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[Christmas Must Be Tonight]

The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, November 2009


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Wild Ride

Yeah Bill, it's pretty wild alright. Thanks again Sebastian. I've got to get out and finish putting up Christmas lights while I have a day that's good. Pretty soon there'll be kids and grand kids tearing up the place. My wife will be home from Australia, and I think I got to go and haul a load of equipment next week. I better get done while I got the chance......later gang.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Sebastian: Thanks for the link, and the evidence that your father's project's truly on the go.

Westcoaster: The boogie-woogie start of Sebastian's Randolph clip reminds me of "Midnight Ryder", the instrumental flipside of "Snow Road Stomp" (great title!) by Evan Kemp and the Trailriders, featuring steel-guitarist Len Ryder. Except that Ryder them moved into a long bit of "In The Mood". I know you saw those guys in the '50s, but don't suppose you'd remember specific guys or specific songs.


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Posted by:

Steve

Log Cabin Reps, pro life democrats and all the other square pegs trying relentlessly to fit into round holes. Maybe you need more parties down there.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Web: My link

Subject: RR solo...

For those who are interested there is an in-studio clip of Robert Randolph doing some lap steel work for Robbie's upcoming solo album. Pretty great stuff... Click the link and enjoy. Cheers, Sebastian


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Wilf Warkentin

Bill; Just get www.wilfwarkentin.com Wilf is not only the greatest guitar player I've ever seen, he is also an artist the class of Robert Bateman. Just look at his sight and you'll see.

I first met Wilf in '79, and we've been friends since. One of the things that first stopped me when I walked in a bar way back then, (Water Hole #3) was how he can use his foot volume and you'd swear it's a steel guitar. On his page you'll see pictures of him playing with the likes of Vasser Clements who thought Wilf was the guitar god. In one picture you'll see him beside a guy with a green telecaster. That is Eddy Molyski, who just recorded and engineered my CD.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Charlie, Vincent is standing and maybe one to two weeks away from walking, thanks for asking. I wanted to tell you if I hadn't been called out of state I would have voted for Creigh Deeds. I read McDonald's controversial thesis and decided right then I could not give him my vote. So of course, the Republican wins when I don't want them too!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Coasters

I was taken by Ignatiuis’s point about variety shows and gaining audience attention. In the 60s most comedians had to sing (or insisted on singing) and they needed a mood-changing bridge. Watching Ken Dodd night after night, it’s a big jump from “Are you tickled, madam?” to singing Tears, Happiness and 8 x 10. I can see why an intro bit helped in an earlier era.

Today I was reading Ken Emerson’s “Magic in The Air: The Bomp and Brilliance of the Brill Building Era” which was (sadly) a remaindered book, and like the best rock writing, has you rushing to put on the records. He’s eloquent on Leiber & Stoller and what an innovation The Drifters “There Goes My Baby” was in adding strings to soul singers, and informative. “Searchin’” is so great because they only had ten minutes to fill and just busked it first time through making it so much simpler. I always realized that Poison Ivy was about something venereally transmitted and itchy rather than actual poison ivy, but I never stopped and thought about it being written to be a song about crabs specifically, which gave the group and writers a lot of fun when it was played on radio. I’ve spent the evening on The Coasters. Another tale is that jazz guitarist George Barnes loathed rock & roll, but after The Coasters session for Along Came Jones, he was crying with laughter and begging to be on their future sessions.

Linking the two bits, the Carny’s spoken intro on “Little Egypt” brings you into Life is A Carnival or W.S. Walcott Medicine Show, and The Coasters is a fantastic lyric, especially as we've been on novelty / comedy lyrics today.

Little Eygpt came out struttin’ wearin’ nuttin’ but a button and a bow.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Roger Miller

LINK: As I mentioned, this is a funny song. Enjoy!!

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Roger Miller & friends[ you guys]

Here goes for a little responding for a change...

CHARLIE Y: Not to worry, Rosanne Cash WILL do "Long Black Veil". She did it on a late show not too long ago. It was great.

ROS: Welcome back, and don't leave. I thought you left the country? Thanx for all your links. I believe Roger Miller won a Tony award for his Broadway show of "Big River". The song is a beauty. After seeing him live, you really can't help but like whatever sings. Tells jokes too.

GENE: So nice to see someone else post funnies. I don't do as many as I once did, but I do enjoy reading them, as well as posting them. Some aren't too happy with my inputs of them. Can't please everyone.

NORBERT: Oh, to have a kitchen like yours?You did good, my friend.I, too, would love to come to cook, but to eat too. What a great idea.

DUNC: I'm back and still "one of the girls". When I have the time, that is.

BEG: Thanx for links. It was nice to hear that Walter Huston song again.

DAVID P: re: "Crossing Guard"...if anyone has ROBBIES' "Going Home", it shows Sean Penn [director] checking him out after Jack Nicholson had hurt him.

LIL: Yes they were, and don't forget Rogers' "You Can't Rollerskate in a Buffalo Herd"? Very funny.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

JTF: It's good to hear from you! How's the baby? Your points are good ones. Here in our state we have a pro-military Democrat, Jim Webb, who really transcends party. I'm a member of whatever party Senator Webb is.

I guess Don Henley sort of alluded to a Republican Deadhead with that line about a "Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac," though Bob Dylan has advertised and promoted Cadillacs in recent years. I think he has his own party which transcends politics, too, though. He once said George McGovern was "just anouther guy who wants to be president."

I'll shut up for a while as I still have a job and need to hit the road for it again, Jack. You all behave...


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Posted by:

David P

Bill M: No, that would be the work of the other lyricist, Robert Hunter. Otherwise it might have been "a friend of the devil is a constituent of mine".

JTull Man: You are correct. We all lead lives of contradiction to some degree. Yet another example can be found in "Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story".


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Westcoaster: Good to hear of Wilf, whose name I hadn't heard before. I'd've guessed that Vancouver's killer guitarist of the day was Eddie Patterson, and the killer organist Robbie King. Both had been in both the Vancouvers and Brahman with Duris. And both were in the great Hans Staymer Band. (The link is to what I see as their greatest single - simple but effective.) And both were refugees from southwestern Ontario's sub-Hawks scene of the mid '60s, notably the Good Shepherds led by Zeke Shepherd, a Hawkins associate from the late '50s whose big stage song was "A Change Is Gonna Come". If you told me that Rick's rendition of that song on "Moondog Matinee" is a nod to Zeke's guest spots during the Hawks matinees of the early '60s I certainly wouldn't be surprised.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Brahman

Yeah you're right Bill. I had forgotten about them, too many to remember. Back in those early seventies around Vancouver tho', it was funny. I guess in every town there are the guys who stand out. If some one said Duris was around all the drummers would get a look of terror in their eyes. It's the same with the guitar player I've mentioned several times here, "Wilf Warkentin". Wilf was a very quiet guy quite like Duris in that way. I saw Wilf pissed off only a couple times all the time he played with me. Guys at jams who were wannabies and were rude. Wilf just got a look in his eye and thru' his fingers on that guitar totally insulted people.

A guy who played drums for me now and then, from Alberta, Peter Hamlen pretty good drummer too. Hung himself way back when, (I think he'd sooner hang hisself than go home to that woman he was with) anyway Peter's favourite line for a joke was....Yeah I'm gonna replace Duris.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: With associates like that, are you sure John Perry didn't have a hand in writing "A Friend Of The Devil Is A Friend Of Mine"?

Westcoaster: Duris was Duris with Brahman, who came before Skylark, I believe. I've never been sure who replaced whom in Skylark, but their other early drummer was the pride of Prince George, Brian Hilton, who returned west from Toronto, where he'd been playing with Ronnie Hawkins and Atkinson Danko and Ford with Hilton and Brockie, to play with his pre-Hawkins groupmate David Foster (and Foster's then-wife, BJ Cook).


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Republicans

Who is to say who can and cannot be a Republican any moreso than who can or cannot be a Democrat or Libertarian (me) or other party? Libertarians are pro-gun, I am not, but that is where I feel most comfortable. Are there no pro-life Democrats? Are there no non-environmental Democrats? Are there pro-military Democrats? Why can't one be gay and Republican? It is hard for people to believe these days, but not everyone with a particular orientation or belief has an activist agenda for those beliefs. Not every Republican is a Christian Right Republican, even though those are the biggest party activists. There was an Eastern Liberal wing of the Republican Party not too long ago. Rockefeller, Bush Sr., Ford, etc. Some still exist.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Deadhead Republican

One notable Deadhead Republican has to be John Perry Barlow, a former Wyoming rancher and lyricist, who co-wrote many Grateful Dead songs with Bob Weir. His credits, I kid you not, include "Estimated Prophet", "Hell In A Bucket" and "The Music Never Stopped".

Mr. Barlow helped campaign for Dick Cheney's successful run for Congress from Wyoming back in the late '70s. During the Bush/Cheney administration, that music did stop, as Mr. Barlow distanced himself from the Republicans. I've lost track of where he stands politically nowadays, but he's always been more of a Libertarian maverick.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: And........

I was kinda waiting Bill to see if you'd pick up. When I first knew Duris, his name was Ted Lewis. I think it was around the time he got into Foster's Band Skylark that he changed his name. If you pull up the picture of Skylark on "Bands of the Pacific Northwest" in the picture he is then known as Duris Maxwell.


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Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Music

I was watching PBS (I think) and they were showing a Native American Band called Brule. Mostly if not all instrumental, however, the music was amazing. There is a female flute player that puts you in another place. I was wondering if RR has ever made music with Brule - I have to think he has heard of them. Recommended track - Buffalo Moon.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Charlie Y: Re your last line, ouch!!


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Contradications in Terms

Kevin: I guess if there can be gay "Log Cabin Republicans" there can be Deadhead Republicans. After all, Glenn Back is an ex-alcoholic and pothead who became a born-again Morman and made $23 million last year bashing Obama (he'll make more this year).

I'm fascinated by the White House party crashers and their connection to a "reality" TV show. As the great Linda Ellerbee once observed, there is reality and there is TV. The two are separate and contradictory ideas.

Another great thinker named Einstein said "information is not knowledge" (which Frank Zappa later lifted for a brilliant song) and that concept was never more relevent than in this age of ceaseless and usually useless information.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Subject: Jerry Penfound

Jan's What's New page has a link to a recent London (Ontario) newspaper story about Jerry / Gerry Penfound. Not a particularly good one, unfortunately, but still. To expand / clarify a couple of points, Penfound joined the Hawks about the same time as Rick Danko, before Richard Manuel and even longer before Garth Hudson. At some point not too long after leaving the Hawks (late '64?) he joined the Capers, a group that Garth had previously been a member of, and even sang a song on their first album. By the end of the '60s he was playing sax and piano with a very popular Toronto lounge band, the Quorum, and played on their first album too. By '75 he was a studio engineer, which is what I think he was still doing in '77 when he turned up to play with Ronnie Hawkins the night that Levon Helm go up onstage to jam a couple of songs. At the end of the '70s it seems that he must've guested on some recordings being done by Shooter (a popular group that was always full of local veterans) and wound up going on tour with them. If anything was released, it'd likely be a Springsteen cover ("Cherokee Queen" or something) a 45 for a Vancouver label, Casino.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Duris Maxwell

For a little history Bill. Duris is Mohawk, born in Ontario. When I first knew him he was playing drums for an old guy we discussed a while back at age 15, Evan Kemp.

Duris has played with so many people, I couldn't remember them all. So I thought what the hell I googled that kid! Just take a look at wikipedia. As you said he played with Bobby Taylor, also Powder Blues, Tommy Chong,Jerry Doucette, the Temtations, Stevie Wonder, Stevie Ray Vaughn, (before any one even knew who he was). He was part of David Fosters Band, "Skylark" and played with Jim Byrnes - (Northern Buoy) and Jefferson Airplane. The boy,s been around.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: More deletions

Several posts from an anonymous proxy server deleted.


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Posted by:

Steve

Roz, Miller said he tried to write songs like other song writers but they always came out in a goofy way. It's not like he purposely wrote like that he just wasn't capable of doing it differently, most of the time.

Lil's mention of hearing Roger's songs on am radio in the kitchen sent me to check out the exact year England Swings was on the radio.

At that time, mid sixties, the two brothers in law I was working with were 3 and 7. So they might have missed the song. Another contributing factor might have been the noise and other distractions in their kitchen. I was with the guys who were 3 and 7 at the time but there were also boys aged 4, 5 and 6 in that kitchen at the same time as well as some better behaved girls aged 8, 9 and 10 and another boy aged 12 and another one aged 13 and another girl aged 14. The guys I was working with probably didn't hear music on the radio til the early 70's when the house became a little quieter.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: That's How I Got To Memphis

westcoaster: I do remember Roger Miller hosting that show. It must have been around the mid-'70s, back when Charlie Rich was big in the country charts.

One of the many of my favorite Tom T. Hall songs is "That's How I Got To Memphis". Buddy Miller did a fine version several years ago and later produced Solomon Burke's powerful cover on his "Nashville" album.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

To Charlie’s point……..I have heard it said that soccer is a gentlemen’s game played by hooligans while rugby is a hooligans game played by gentlemen……not sure what golf is but I did read once that David Duval was the only Liberal (Democrat) on the PGA tour……Just when I thought that there was a golfer I could cheer for…..lefty David hasn’t shot below 80 since! Oh well…..and Charlie don’t be so sure that that guy in the tie die was a Liberal….there is a very strange creature that has emerged over the years and that is Republican Deadheads……quite incredible but true……


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Posted by:

Bill M

Westcoaster: Somebody told me that Duris Maxwell had become a lawyer. Nothing wrong with that, but it's nice to know that he's still playing, even if just blues jams. He really was/is an amazing drummer, so Lorne must feel fortunate to have been able to play with him for a couple hours. He had the most intense no-BS attitude that I've ever encountered, and I can see how that would be taken as miserableness. Anyway, he did get to play onstage with Hendrix at least once, in Paris when Jimi got up to play bass with the backing band for the Motown revue, which was otherwise known as the Vancouvers. (Bobby Taylor, the Vancouvers' singer, had known Hendrix from the Seattle-Tacoma scene of the early '60s.) As far as I'm concerned Duris's best recorded work is all over the one album that the brilliant Brahman got to do in the early '70s. It was on a biggish label, Mercury, but hasn't come out on CD that I know of.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Various

Hey Rosalind, where were you? Thanks for the music links. I always loved Roger Miller--even the funny stuff and the Disney songs he wrote (one of which turns up on that new Los Lobos CD).

Lil: I remember WABC morning man Herb Oscar Anderson from my NYC days circa 1966-67. I'm going to hear Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow speak next month at the National Press Club in DC. He has a new book he's plugging. It's nice to hear him on the airwaves again on Sirius-XM Satellite Radio.

On the Tiger Woods subject mentioned a couple of times here, it reminds me of a Bruce Hornsby show I saw a decade or so ago. I usually go see Bruce play anytime he's doing a gig in the state of Old Virginny, and this particular show was done with the Roanoke Symphony Orchestra--a fund raiser in front of a very different audience from the sort of audience Mr. Hornsby usually enjoys. This crowd clearly included a bunch of rich Repbulican contributors to the orchestra, a mix of nouveau riche and old money Virginia snobs, dressed funny, not getting Bruce's music at all. The few Deadheads sprinkled in the audience--one with a tie-dyed shirt and a tie(!)--seemed really lost. Anyway, Mr. Hornsby can be a bit of a name dropper, and he mentioned doing some sort of event with Bill Clinton. A large percentage of the audience booed heartlily, much to Bruce's dismay. Later he mentioned some sort of charity event he did with Tiger Woods, and the people who booed Clinton cheered wildly for the wealthy golfer! That speaks volumes about their values. A president who led us through eight years of peace and prosperity gets booed, but a guy who makes millions knocking a tiny white ball through open fields gets big cheers. Now it's time for the perfect Tiger to get his, I suppose. Payback is tough but sometimes fair.

I'm excited about going to see Rosanne Cash this week, a sold-out show at the Birchmere where I'm hoping she'd perform "Long Black Veil" and "Tennesse Flat-Top Box." I hope...


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Just like that

Band related???? I forgot to mention. I was just talking with my brother Lorne on the phone. He is stuck in Blind Bay on Nelson Island with his tow of logs, (it's blowin like a bandit here right now.)

So he says, you'll never gawd damn believe this. He leaves his tow last night, (he's been there two days.) They slip over to Pender Harbour, him and his mate on the tug, Johnny Young another smokin' guitar player.) Get into the Garden Bay pub. This little pub we play music in has become very famous for jam sessions, (particularly blues) many pretty notable musicians come to play there. I played there every easter weekend for 8 years straight.

Any way Lorne says we played music all evening with Duris Maxwell. I'm damn sure some of you guys know him, what he is and where he's from. Lorne says he's a miserable old son of a bitch now just like you. He says I remember when he told me he turned down the job playing for Hendrix. He says, "That guy is just too fucking crazy."


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: I remember the year

Clayton Dellainey died.......but I can't for the life of me remember this year. Roger Miller hosted the country music awards. Maybe you can remember David. It might have been the year that Tom T wrote "Old Dawgs" anyway Roger sang the song on the awards. The best I've ever heard it he did such a great job.

Interesting conversation here. Now we are really talking the heavy weights of country song writing. Tom T wrote 11 #1 country hits. His list is too long to set down here as well......I can still see Roger singing that song.....great.

Rozalind...you gotta be putting us on. Things can't be all that bad dear lady. Aren't the chickens laying any more. Think of fog horn leg horn. I say....I say...I couldn't go in the barn...the hens was layin' for me.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: I just don't know what to do with that Croatian Side Hug thing you posted. Maybe bring it to Cyril's attention, as he's at least into prayer?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: From Harold R. Ragsdale to Riches

Coincidentally, the two performers best known for their novelty songs were also among the first to record songs by Kris Kristofferson.

Mr. Ragsdale, a/k/a Ray Stevens, from Georgia, was first to cover Mr. Kristofferson's "Sunday Morning Coming Down" in 1969, a year before Johnny Cash's more famous version.

Interestingly, Roger Miller was first to reach the charts with a version of the Kristofferson / Fred Foster song "Me and Bobby McGee" in 1969 also.


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Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: Old Songs

Thanks BEG....September Song was good listening! The Walter Huston lyrics were somewhat different than I recall. Also enjoyed re-visting the Roger Miller songs. Thanks all.

Hi Roz!


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: All Thumbs Considered

The late, great guitarist Kenneth "Thumbs" Carlille, who was a friend of Garth's & The Band, was a member of Roger Miller's touring band from 1964-1972. In addition to his unorthodox guitar style, Mr. Carlille was also credited with contributing "finger snaps" on Mr. Miller's recording of "King of the Road".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dang me, wish they'd take a rope and hang me …

Reaching for my battered and trusty Guinness Book of British Hit Singles … England Swings and These Boots Are Made For Walking were both in the charts in the UK in January / February 1966. The New Vaudeville Band on Winchester Cathedral were towards the end of 1966, and King of The Road a a bit earlier in the summer of 1965. I can imagine peaceful coexistence of all four on the radio sometime in 1966. Three of them are such staples of Golden Oldie playlists in the UK, that I wouldn’t be surprised to hear all three in an hour now. England Swings would be les likely than the others nowadays, which is a pity.

I was reading about Winchester Cathedral in another context. The lead singer (imported for the job) was John Carter, who was one of those songwriters who crop up as a performer in all sorts of bands … Carter-Lewis & The Southerners, The Ivy League, The Flowerpot Men (Let’s Go to San Francisco) and First Class.

It’s one of several songs that places trigger. I quite often go to Winchester and park right by the cathedral, and the day I don’t get out of the car singing it, I’ll be dead. Does anyone else get that automatic response? Driving along Route 66 in Arizona was hell for Mrs V as every signpost triggered yet another rendition of Route 66, then we got to Phoenix signposts, which is a harder song for a crap singer.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: lyrics update

Tiger Woods swings

Like a 6 iron do

Night club hostesses

Two by Two...


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Tom Russell

Quite a coincidence you should put that up here just now Rosalind. I was just watching that a couple of days ago, because I was searching youtube just then to find concerts of Tom Russell playing his "Gallo Del Ciealo". Ther are some really good ones too.

Hope you are well.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Roger Miller

I'm not going to write much here, all you gotta do is look on wiki. Roger Miller wrote a ton of songs the songs you have been talking about here were all from the mid sixties. Including "Dang Me" and "Engine Engine #9".

I played all those songs for many years, along with many of the songs of Ray Stevens. Roger & Ray were well know for being the biggest mainstay of "novelty songs"country music has ever seen. Ray's songs, like "The Shriners Convention", and a whole album of very funny novelty songs are great, as well as writing a very warm song like "Everything is Beautiful."


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Posted by:

Roger

Subject: Yep Lil, England swings...

... was the follow up to King of the Road (IMMSMW). King of the Road got to number 1 in May '65. England Swings followed.


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Posted by:

Lil

Curious if "England Swings" and "King of the Road" were from about the same time frame? I remember my mom having AM radio on in the kitchen every morning getting ready for grade school.. WABC NY (the DJ was Herb Oscar Anderson.. and why I remember _that_ I have no idea...)and I remember hearing both those songs on a pretty constant rotation. Also, there was "Winchester Cathedral" (can't remember who did that one) and "These Boots" by Nancy Sinatra. I seem to remember all 4 of these around that same time frame. Am I remembering right? Thanks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: England Swings

… was number 13 in the UK charts. I found an old Roger Miller LP with it a few months back. A bit scratchy, but still fun.

King of the Road appears on the "And the Answer Is …" series of answer disc versions. They always put the original and the answer disc together, so you get "Queen of The House" by Jody Miller. In the same 2 CD set you get Lefty Frizell's Long Black Veil and Marijohn Wilkin's own "My Long Black Veil,"

On which Record Collector gives a very good review to the recent Rick Danko live set, but lets itself down by saying he does Band songs and cover versions, including "Johnny Cash's Long Black Veil." Well, Cash DID record it, but he neither wrote it nor did the original version.


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Posted by:

Rod

Location: (from Wellington)

The Ry Cooder gig was pretty good. Would have loved to see him with an accordion player - just to add some variation.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: Roger Miller

England Swings like a Pendulum Do.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Thanks BEG

Somehow I never thought about looking for Walter on Youtube.


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Posted by:

Steve

On our Thursday to Sunday visit to Rhode Island for US Thanksgiving I got into a clapboarding job on a brother in laws house Saturday afternoon. We were listening to NPR from Boston and heard a great 2005 concert by the Ducks. Following that show they played King Of The Road by Roger Miller and the three of us sang along. When it ended I thought another one of The Great Mr. Miller's songs was called for since they're so much fun to sing.

I started singing, England Swings, and nobody followed. When I finished the song ( I actually remembered the whole thing) my two brothers in law started laughing and wanted to know who wrote the song.

I asked if they'd ever heard it and both said no. They're both into music and are of an age that they should know it. Was it not a hit song in the US?


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Robbie and Anjelica Huston's grandfather both share the same hometown.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For JQ...Walter HUston and "September Song" 1938

Music by Kurt Weill

Lyrics by Maxwell Anderson


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: JQ

I didn't get there, which i will forever kick myself for. rod in melbourne went - i think it's fair to say he enjoyed it, baaed on his post here. Another guy i know went in sydney: said it was marvellous. From both accounts, he did a range of stuff spaaning his whole career; 'crazy bout an automobile, vigilante man, litttle sisiter, stuff from buena vista social club, ... /n sure wish i went


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: make that "Huston"

All apologies


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Walter, John & Angelica Houston

BEG - Walter Houston was her grandad. I remember him mostly for his role as the grizzled & wise old bird in The Treasure of Sierra Madre which was directed by her father & his son John Huston.

I don't know about anything about his take on September Song or that he was even a singer, it sounds interesting as hell though.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Louuuu....September Song

Wasn't Mr. Houston Anjelica's Dad?


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Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US

Subject: Intros or "Verses" of Standard Tunes

The use of an introductory section, usually about 8 to 12 bars long, was a standard practice during the great "Songbook" era that spans from Irving Berlin through the show tunes of the Sixties.

I would wager that almost every song from that era you know had such a section written for it. The mark of a true Standards aficionado is having put to memory the opening section - sometimes confusing called "the verse" - as well as the body of the tune.

This whole songwriting tradition that culminated in the very Brill Building production house that figures in the history of Our Band, coincided with the rise of vaudeville and the evolution American Musical Theatre's Golden Age.

I don't have any scholarly authority on this, but as a veteran of both Musical Theatre and having done some variety, when a performer first hits the stage, launching directly into a song can be risky. Taking a little time to get the audience's attention while articulating the reason for singing the song can be time well spent.

The masterful Mister MacCartney showed his familiarity with this tradition when he wrote the wonderful HONEY PIE tune for the white album.

Also check out Gershwin's SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME as a great example.

Unrelated - I am in love with GET UP JAKE, but just down loaded the Rock of Ages version. How did these guys keep topping themselves like that? What a BAND!


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Band Connection

Hoagy Carmichael wrote "Georgia on My Mind."


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Songs with preambles

Stardust was another great one. By Hoagy Carmichael I believe.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Maxwell's Silver Song

I believe the half-spoken delivery in "September Song" is due in part to the fact that the original performer of the Maxwell Anderson / Kurt Weill composition, the actor Walter Huston, for whom it was specifically written, was somewhat limited as a singer. This recitation technique can be used for dramatic effect in ballads and other songs. Robbie Robertson has employed the style, most notably on "Sonny Got Caught In The Moonlight", from his self-titled solo album. Robbie also played the boyfriend of Mr. Huston's granddaughter, Anjelica, in the film "The Crossing Guard".


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Joe J/ Norbert/Dunc

Joe, I don't know what they called that type of song, but in the old days songs very often had an introduction, and then went to the body of the song. Its very common in show tunes,like Rodgers and Hammerstein. Lerner and Lowe etc. And I agree, September song is lovely.

Norbert, I love the description of your kitchen. You can invite me to cook there anytime :-)

Dunc,thank you. That was so well put. People like you are the soul of this GB.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Ry Cooder & Nick Lowe

dlew919 - I see where these guys played in Melbourne last night. If you attend any of the shows on this run be sure to let us know what you think -


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Van at Montreux 1980 & 1974 DVD

That's good enough for me Peter. It'll definitely find its way into my stocking this Christmas. Once again, thanks for your advice in a musical matter. I've always found you to be very generous and helfull in this regard and I do appreciate it. For the benefit of others, today I've linked to "Moondance" from the later of these two Van Live at Montreux DVDs; yesterday I linked to "Street Choir" from the 1974 DVD. NB


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Posted by:

Peter V

Joe J: The "News of the World" (i.e. Murdoch press) headline today is "Wife Went for Tiger Over Birdie."


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Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: Dunc

Hear,hear!!

I can see from your post that I did indeed misunderstand you before,and I apologize again.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: GB

I think we should get our priorities straight and close down this GB until we get resolution to the Tiger Woods affair. This would be a great time for that Kenyan president to step forward with some real leadership but what has he done? Nada.

I've closed shop and am battening down the hatches. I've never battened down hatches before so it might take some time. Courage my friends. "Glory, Glory, Hallelujah"


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Great post,Norbert

Because of your post Norbert, I'm a happier person.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: What's the guestbook about?

Hi Cyril. I thought I'd answer your post.

I like the fact that people will help you about things you want to find out about the Band, who I think of as the greatest band of all time. I too eagerly await the new projects from Robbie. Remember the GB is part of Jan's magnificent site, which is a treasure trove of information. I'm playing Rick singing 'I'll Turn to Stone', which I wouldn't have known about if not for this vehicle.

I like when we discuss other bands too. I like reading about people going to concerts in other parts of the world. I like when I give information about artists. For example I don't think John Martyn's links with the Band are appreciated here, so I hope to educate my fellow posters. I admit some of my posts read as utter drivel at times.

I've found 'new' music here. I really enjoy Blackie and the Rodeo Kings. (Interesting their appreciation of John Martyn)Bruce Cockburn is settling in. I think James Carr is one of the great soul singers, but I had never heard of him before the GB.

I like reading about snippets of other people's lives. JOE J great post. I genuinely wish I had been with you. I like reading about Peter's record collecting. Where do you keep them all? How many now? Hope you are feeling better Westcoaster?

People are helpful. Roger flags up concerts. When my son had to work in New York, Jeff was helpful.

There are good writers on this GB. I'd like the girls and Danksters to come back.

I want to keep the songs alive. I hope they'll live forever. I've just played 'Twilight' on Crying Heart Blues. Brilliant. Since finding this site, I've bought about 15 Band albums. I had most of the OQ's contributions.

I like when somebody thinks the same as me. On Stage Fright, Dlew, I had to think if it was Rick or Richard singing at times.

Me obsessive. Not a chance mate. I'm a renaissance man. Like many here I like to travel, read, visit galleries, do sport,follow politics, take part in family life and work hard. The reason for this post is work avoidance. It's Sunday morning and I've something to do for tomorrow.

I like when family members take part on the GB. I liked when Ezra posted. He seemed a really nice guy. Sorry Levon. I enjoy Sebastians's posts.

I don't like when Band family members have to read less than gracious posts about their dads.

Am I starstruck. Not a chance. I just think the music is great.

So Cyril I hope you stick around, become more gracious and learn from us...and I'll learn from you. I'll recommend 'Crying Heart Blues' by Rick Danko and 'No Little Boy' by John Martyn, which has two great contributions by Levon.

Long live the Band. I'm away to the gym.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Empty Now...

Your enjoyment of the clip made my day!

One day, I'd like to meet with you to discuss things - perhaps it will happen...


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Kitchen Band

After long days of hard work, it’s now completed (with special thanks to neighbor Tonnie). Our 475W kitchen complete sound system is ready and working! Took 2 old computers, 3 EPROM’s 178,5m of 0,75mm2 wire, 2 BOSE 3.1 sound speaker sets, 23 switches etc. and a lot of work. But now when we open the refrigerator the Band starts playing; The Weight, open the left drawer to the stove: Dixie! Wash your hands: Don’t Do It!, get your plates: King Harvest, etc. etc

This morning, making some scrambled eggs, I noticed that Van’s Tupelo Honey harmonizes beautiful with Reminds Me of You. Can’t wait till supper!

We’re off to Sunday’s Meubelplein .


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Canada Trivia

CONCERTS 1960's+: I have seen many concerts of the best in the big band era, and many C/M. Rock concert with Bill Haley {wonderful] with Chuck Berry and the Platters, also very good. Marty Robbins,Buck Owens and Roger Miller were the best in C/M. Also Nat "King" Cole, a very nice guy.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

We Canadians like to brag...

Canadians Have To Be Proud Of...

. Proven fact Baseball is Canadian - First game ever held was June 4, 1838 - Ingersoll,ONTARIO.

. Lacrosse is Canadian

. Hockey was first played and founded in Canada and it's Canadian Basketball is Canadian from day one.

. Tim Hortons beats Dunkin' Donuts and Startbucks together 3 to one and Canada had the first donut coffee shops in north america.

In the war of 1812, started by America, Canadians pushed the Americans back past their White House. Then we burned it, and most of Washington .. We got bored because they ran away. Then, we came home and partied........ Go figure. The USA has never beat Canada in a War.

. We have the largest English population that never ever surrendered or withdrew during any war to anyone, anywhere. EVER. (We got clobbered in the odd battle but prevailed in ALL the wars)

A Canadian invented Standard time and Winnie the Pooh. . The Hudsons Bay Company once owned over 10% of the earth's surface and is still round as the world's oldest company.

. We don't marry our kin-folk ever

We invented ski-doos, jet-skis, Velcro, zippers, insulin, penicillin, zambonis and the telephone. Also short wave radios that save countless lives each year.. A Canadian invented Superman.

BUT MOST IMPORTANT !

The handles on our beer cases are big enough to fit your hands with mitts on.

OOOoohhhhh.... Canada !!

Oh yeah... And our elections only take one day. And we are listed throughout the world as the third best HEALTH Care System in the WORLD.

I had nothing to do with the writing of this. Some things even surprised me.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Septemer Song

Joe J - I think September Song is a perfect song too and it's done in a songwriting style that includes a preamble thing; it's like 2 distinct songs, stacked & about the same subject. I don't know if that style has a name but I don't think it was all that uncommon in that genre and its era.

David P or anybody else - Am I on to anything here?


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: September Song

One of my favourite show tunes is 'September Song' by Walter Huston. I hear it on radio about every other year and today was the day. The only version of the song I own is from Willie's 'Stardust' so that song leads inevitably to that album which is not a bad thing. Willie's versions of 'Georgia' and 'Moonlight In Vermont' are priceless and Mickey Raphael's harmonica...


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: windblown NY

Subject: Pipes

Norm- You must have been watching a show about natural disasters.

I figured you'd recognize my voice because we did some songs together when I was out there, years ago. And I recall you having a much better set of "pipes" than I have (sorry to say). I do the best I can, though.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Montreaux 1980 / 1974

Yes. Got it.

Get it. No question.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Live At Montreux 1980 & 1974 (Van Morrison)

This two DVD set released in 2006 looks and sounds VERY promising, based on this Youtube clip. A possible stocking stuffer ? Anyone own a copy and care to offer an opinion ? This clip of "Street Choir" is from the'74 DVD.While far from being one of Van's best songs, he's in fine voice here. It's difficult to beat the early Van vocals. NB


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: The nut house

Subject: My Hiden Jealousies

Bill: I'm so jealous of you it's hard to contain myself. after all these years, it's time to come out of the closet. We've been found out!

Lars, I knew that was you. I saw you on TV!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bags of Fish

Hmm. That makes the two thin slices of smoked salmon we'll be eating in about half an hour look very meagre! When I lived in Hull in the late 60s, then a major fishing port, you could take a bucket down to the fish dock early in the morning when they were unloading, and they'd fill it for you for the price of "a packet of fags" (cigarettes). By the early 70s there were no boats there. Looking this morning at the shrink-wrapped haddock in the supermarket, it's coming from very small fish indeed. I'll think about shopping bags of fresh herring over my sliver of salmon!


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Non music

Just thought I'd share my morning drive with you. I'd intended to get a flu shot but the line-up was long so I kept on going, on to Sleepy Cove Beach where a small crowd had gathered. The beach and cove were full of herring. A humpback whale and half a dozen harp seals were gorging themselves even as another humpback and a dozen more seals patrolled the mouth of the cove. They had no objection to sharing their bounty; I walked along the landwash and quickly filled a shopping bag with the very live fish.

It's a phenomenom I've seen before though not for a while. Once I witnessed a pod of orcas herd a school of salmon to shallow water and then move in for the kill. In the frenzy an orcan dorsal fin floated to the top, torn off by one of his brethren.

Anyway, fish for supper.


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Subject: "Sonic Storm" by John Barry great Hudson Valley-based music-related blog.

Nice Levon Helm posts.


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Subject: "Festival Express" crossword puzzle link.


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Levon to join Elvis Costello in his next & last televised music talk show Spectacle according to the latest Rolling Stone mag issue. Allen Toussaint to join Nick Lowe during another episode of the same series.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: This day was LOUSY but not in vain.

I woke up with a hell of hangover but I learned what CROATIA means and I got vaccinated against the flu. - But did you know what ILKKA means. It comes from an ancient word in Scandinavian languages: "elak". It means mean, bad, naughty, nasty, evil, spiteful, malevolent, unkind, a scruel joke.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: The Band, The Movie

Think they make the movie THE BAND after all members are gone, too sensitive to do it sooner and or you’ll be drown in endless threads. Scorsese might just miss that train but a few tips for his successor;

1) Start the film at TLW 2) Center the film around TLW 3) Do the rest in flashbacks between TLW. 4) End the film with TLW (.... maybe this movie is already made)

What will you feel just after watching? This film will bring you to heaven as well to hell, not a feel good movie all the time. Anyway after watching that film, just before you leave the cinema, still struck and deaf, you'll say to your loved one sitting next to you : “Wow, what a band .... and what a pity .... ”


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Good News for Christians

Bill M, this post will impatiently wait for you on next Monday - Thanks to your recent posts, i have an accute perception now on the subtle nuanced specificities discernating a CONCERT, a LIVE PERFORMANCE, a GIG, etc...

in the link above, like only politicians have the ability, the mayor of Zagreb Mr Milan Bandic has the impudence without mood to announce on the Croatian public TV a Freddie Mercury comeback gig in his capital city.

i guess some diehard believer fans (as I) would have been seduced a short instant by the news -- God bless the Croatians

footnote:
1 - our brave mayor has some implicit Band link in his patronyme
2 - "Croatian" means literally "Christian" in Croatian Language, ie: "Croatia" == "Christian country"


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Posted by:

jh

More "anonymous IP" posts from proxy servers deleted.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Christians decide to outlaw hugging. And rap about it.


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Posted by:

Tom Wheeler

Location: USA
Web: My link

Subject: Stories Inspired by Dylan

I have helped with a new site of stories inspired by the lyrics of Bob Dylan, written by TJ Hawk: www.hawkstories.com. The best one so far will be added on Nov. 29, Quinn the Eskimo. It is an uplifting Christmas tale. Let me know if you want to use in some way. Tom


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Trying not to hit the wall

Robbie Robertson, talking about success and its pitfalls:

'It's a deadly disease, success--you know? When you're a young kid and somebody is putting you in this position--and just yesterday, you know, you were scrambling to get whatever you can. All, all of a sudden, you're in there--somebody's dusting you off, you know. And you're not even dusty. And somebody's dusting you off. You're thinking,"Wait a minute, this is working for me. And I'll take more money and I'll take more drugs--what else have you got?" '

'That's our immediate instinct--to go to that place. You grow up a little bit more, and maybe you're just a little bit smarter about it. But, in the beginning, nobody has the smarts not to hit the wall.' ---Robbie Robertson, in July 1999. "Politically Incorrect" (tv show)


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: CYRIL

WTF!!!


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Posted by:

Cyril

Really, Bill M., no one is unhinged. It is just time Sebastian knows or realizes that some of his Dad's most ardent fans, such as yourself, Viney, Westcoaster, etc., don't represent the forward thinking & future projects on his Dad's agenda. Most of us fans are excited about anything Robbie Robertson has on his agenda. We are not like you & your friends (mentioned above) we don't obsess over it night & day. You are not as clever as you think you are. Sad, but true, we kind of see through your charade. We hope you can find some relief from your obssesion of rock idols. We'll pray for all of you.


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Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: first concert

joan baez...solo at the hollywood bowl on a beautiful summer evening in 1972.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: 1st Concert

Mine was The Beach Boys at Loyola U in LA, Halloween night 1963. It was an outside stage as part of the annual Halloween fair there and it was a small crowd, so I was right up front. I recall being impressed with Al Jardene's playing; it looked so impossibly accomplished. As I recall it was a very short program - we were 13 year old punk wannabees (how rough & rowdy can altar boys even be?) and one of my friends hit Dennis Wilson with an egg and that was the end of it. I got to know Dennis Wilson a bit in the 70's and he remembered that incident and we laughed about it. Another thrill of that night was that there was a band member's new Sting Ray backstage and I managed somehow to sit in its driver's seat! Loyola is in the Southwest part of LA and is just a few miles from the BB's home town of Hawthorne.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Ten Years Ago....

Kevin- Another interesting thing about 1999 was that everybody was still talking to each other.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Scratch That!

I'll stick to music in the future.....Tiger's fine I'm told..


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dexter

Dexter would enjoy Angus, Thongs & Perfect Snogging more than TLW, I guess. Angus is a cat and does funny stuff. The thongs and perfect snogging would go over his head, but the musical bits are more like a two year old attention span (a couple of minutes, twice).

Dexter had problems with the fly catching bit partly because of lack of dexterity, but mainly as he can’t tell the difference between a fly and a bee yet. Also, his grandad always calls him Sonny Boy which creates some confusion, so he’s asked for a harmonka for Chrithmas and a bucket to thpit blood into.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

A couple of bits of news just came across the wire….Elvis Costello is shutting down Spectacle and Tiger Woods was in a car crash with the report saying he was seriously hurt……


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: July 1999

Bill M Thanks….so I was too young to get to the 74 Dylan/Band shows but had still had a Band connection – in a roundabout way – to my first concert!

Lars: Looking back on July 99 was fun… thank you……some people – sadly - no longer with us like Paul Godfrey and some no longer posting like GBHOF member mattk….quite a few still around…..and some really good music content……….Hope we are all around and discussing the Band in 2019….Dexter will be a regular by then but will be on the verge of departing the scene in frustration over an ongoing and incomprehensible discussion of thongs and perfect snogging.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

I was so pleased with having found Tobi Lark on the internet that I searched a bit more and found that somebody's finally gone and posted Luke and the Apostles doing "You Make Me High" (rather lowish-fi, unfortunately; the 45 was the first on the True North label - known to us as BARK's and Bruce Cockburn's home - and was produced by Cockburn's longtime producer Gene Martynec). Better still, if you choose the first Related Video off to the right you get to hear the only 45 by the earlier original version of Luke and the Apostles - produced by none other than Paul Rothchild. Note Mike McKenna's Robbie-ish lead work.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Still say that "A Million Vacations" is Max Webster's best song.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: we're all in this together

Lars's mention of Cuba for some reason made me think of a song from the 1970 Cat album, "I'm Going To Hijack A Plane To Cuba", which made me think of their great song, "We're All In This Together", which they did nicely but which should really be heard via the magnificent cover version by Tobi Lark (a former Ronnie Hawkins vocalist in a lineup that also included King Biscuit Boy, Jay Smith, John Till et al). See link. As you might be able to tell from the hum, it was recorded in a church.

Kevin J: Making his first recorded appearance on lead guitar is Max Webster's Kim Mitchell. On rhythm is Gord Waszek from Leigh Ashford. Assistant producer is a young Bob Ezrin. The engineer, bassist and organist had all been members of the Mid-Knights (as were Richard Bell and Richard 'King Biscuit Boy' Newell).

Speaking of the Mid-Knights, their first record, and only hit, was a 1963 cover "Charlena" - pretty much as was done decades later by Los Lobos. It was so successful here (#1) that other versions were rushed onto the US market, including one on the Philadelphia-based Chancellor label that was done by a thrown-together Toronto group that included another future Max Webster member, Terry Watkinson, on keyboards.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: First Concert

My first concert was not nearly as hip as Dylan with The Band. The place was pretty cool, though, since Bruce Springsteeen made it famous: Convention Hall in Asbury Park, NJ. My father was stationed at a nearby navy base during his last two years in the USMC, just back from Vietnam. One of my brothers and I went with a friend visiting from Virginia to see a hot TV act at the time, Paul Revere and the Raiders. Billy Joe Royal opened for them.

I don't remember much about the show except it was the tail end of the screaming girl era, so we didn't hear that much of the music. In his new autobiography, Canada's own Paul Shaffer writes of Paul Revere and the Raiders as "the greatest show band in the world" during that era, and I have to agree. Maybe Mr. Shaffer can help get them inducted into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame before they all die, even though Rock Hall overseer Jann Wenner likes Madonna and her male dancers better.

Later that same summer, The Doors and Jefferson Airplane played the Asbury Park Convention Center. A young Bruce Springsteen was in the audience for The Doors. I was a little young for that one, but the music got louder than the screaming girls around that time and that was a good thing. I didn't go to another concert for four years. The Band was my second concert.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: First Concert

The Beatles 1964 at Maple Leaf Gardens. Heard the opening chords to the first song and then nothing because of the screaming. Still have a picture of Macca going into the Hot Stove lounge.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: Fading

Norm- I tried to sneak into the White House last month, claiming to be the Ambassador of Cuba. I spent a week in a Washington, DC jail. Still don't know how they caught on.

Peter- In a recent recording session/show, we had Randy Ciarlante on drums and didn't mic him. We thought the drums were loud enough to bleed through our mics. It was a big mistake and the next time we played with Randy (last Sat nite) we ran the mic to his kit. The great thing about standing in the back next to Randy is that we get to talk about baseball in between songs.

Randy was kind enough to take our CD from the first show and put his drumming in a second time, in the comfort of his studio. He's even mastering that CD and so far it sounds like he's in the same room with us (Bush Brothers Band of Baffin Bay).

I went into Jan's archives recently and just picked a month at random: July of 1999. Interesting stuff, including a post from "Jasper" of New Paltz, NY. Ezra told me that he posted under an alias when he lived in New Paltz and I think that may be one of his posts (I could be wrong). Another interesting thing is that all of the old names (Catbalou, Roz, etc.) seemed to make an appearance; I felt like I was reading "Candide" again.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Mic's

Right. that's what I suspected. I remember being at an Ollabelle show once, and Fiona's mic was inaudible during 'John the Revelator' That's a song that Glenn sings lead on, but there's a section in the middle where Fiona doubles Glenn's vocal. The sound guy must have not known, or forgot, but the effect of the song wasn't the same without her vocal part. It bothered me that her part was missing. This was in Central Park, where you would assume that the crew would be top notch.

Robbie's mic might not have been "dead", but it seems very likely that there were times that it was higher in the mix than at other times. There may have been times when it was "off" or faded down completely to avoid leakage etc. Different shows with different sound men would probably have varying degrees of this.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Angus, Thongs & Perfect Snogging

Last night I watched the British high school movie “Angus, Thongs and Perfect Snogging” which is entertaining enough, mainly because the girls are not all Britney Spears lookalikes for a change. Usually the Queen Bitch looks like Britney and the heroine looks mousy with a bad hair style, glasses, apparently no make-up and teeth braces. But at the end, in the final prom scene, with her hair done, make up, glasses off, and teeth braces removed she looks even more like Britney than the Queen Bitch. In the British one, they all look normal and varied except the Queen Bitch (who obviously still looks like Britney) and they stay that way. It’s way less glossy and filmed in Eastbourne, a rather faded seaside town.

As in all high school movies, there’s the scene where the Queen Bitch of the school nastily injures our heroine in a sports game, looks up to see that all the adoring boys have seen her deliberate nastiness, and immediately runs to help the heroine to her feet with elaborate apologies. Very funny. I think we've all experienced that one at some time in our lives.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: First Concert

The Four Tops probably 1964 at a NY club just across the state line from NJ.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Fading

That would always be done in concert. Mics not in current use are faded down. It was never a case of one being plugged in and another not. There would have been continually changing level. Which is why "Robbie's mic was dead" was not an option. For example, when Levon was just playing drums, they would have taken his vocal mic off to reduce bleeding onto that track, however directional the mic was.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Cyril, thanks for the support, but I don't think that putting others down helps to elevate my standing very much. I'd be happiest if people worked harder at getting along than not. After all, we're all fans of The Band, so we know we have good taste in music and a common bond that should be stronger than any differences we may have.

Westcoaster, thanks for clarifying. I suppose there's always going to be personality clashes and conflicts between people here and elsewhere in the world. My feeling is that there are good people at both sites.

A third option on the Robbie/Mic thing is that his mic might have been lower in the mix when he wasn't the lead vocalist on a particular track or actively using it. Don't most live shows have a sound guy that adjusts the mix on the fly....fading down open mics when they aren't being used to avoid feedback issues and get a cleaner mix. It's possible that the mic was on sometimes, off at other times, and lower in the mix at other times. (ie. everyone is right) Also, I haven't examined TLW in the kind of minute detail to see what the mic situation was, but It seems likely that any one of the guest performers would have used whatever mic was in front of Robbie at center stage. I do recall Robbie sharing Rick's mic during 'Helpless' for the backing vocals, so Neil was probably using Robbie's for the lead vocal. My guess is that certain mics were being faded up and down throughout the entire concert.

Peace.


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Subject: Dylan show set list from 09/21/01.

Set list from Kim's 1st concert (Bob Dylan):

Hallelujah, I'm Ready To Go (acoustic) (Larry on mandolin)

The Times They Are A-Changin' (acoustic) (Bob on harp)

It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) (acoustic)

Searching For A Soldier's Grave (acoustic) (Larry on mandolin) (song by Johnnie Wright, Jim Anglin and Jack Anglin)

Gotta Serve Somebody

Positively 4th Street

Floater

Cry A While (Larry on slide guitar)

Mr. Tambourine Man (acoustic) (Bob on harp)

Tangled up In Blue (acoustic)

Don't Think Twice, It's All Right (acoustic)

Summer Days (Tony on standup bass)

Mississippi

Cold Irons Bound

Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 (Larry on steel guitar)

(encore)

Things Have Changed

Like A Rolling Stone

If Dogs Run Free (acoustic) (Larry and Charlie on electric guitars)

Honest With Me (Larry on slide guitar)

Blowin' In The Wind (acoustic)

All Along The Watchtower

Kim also saw Dylan in Augusta. ME 08/04/09 where he performed "Tears of Rage."


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Hi Ilkka

i meant that it's too bad (for this forum level of intersst) if Bummbles selfbanned himself in case Bubles hasn't been officially nbanned,


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: dlew919

thanks for Bohemian Rhapsody, you made my day

at the political stage, the current ambassador of the USA to France, his excellence Charles Hammerman Rivkin, was for 15 years the producer of the Muppets show.
The man helped to raise hundreds of thousands US$ for Obama's 2008 compaign.
What a symbolic gesture of gratefulness from The President, giving Kermit's creator the USA ambassadorship in frogeaters land


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Posted by:

Peter V

Sorry, cross-posted in the ether. It also suggests, Bill, that Dylan thought of The Hawks as "a group" rather than as individual bookings and so relied on the group to find its own replacement (having sorted out the immediate emergency with Bobby Gregg). From other stuff, it looks as if the choice reverted to him over Mickey Jones who he was very keen to get on board.


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Subject: First concerts.

Kim's was Bob Dylan @ the "Verizone Wireless Ctr" (Manchester, NH) 09/21/01 - bought the tix on 09/11/01.

Mike's was Lynyrd Skynyrd summer of '88 reunion tour "Concerts on the River" (Manchester, NH).


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Posted by:

Peter V

It would be wonderful to know what inside-track advice Sandy Konikoff gave to Mickey Jones about playing with Dylan, though in those days the set lists were fixed so you didn't get stuff like Tom Petty's Da Doo Ron Ron incident. Perhaps it was as mundane as placing your cymbals to form a barrier against objects thrown on the stage.


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Posted by:

Ilkka Jauramo

Location: Thanks for your response "Diamond Lil" /" Empty Now"

Subject: Catbalu

Thanks for your response. - I should have written "Diamond Lil" instead of Diamond Lil but in my romantic heart you seems to remain as Ms. Lil Diamond, a real person :-))))))

Mr. Now Empty, it seems to make us two who don't understand a thing what is happening here. - But like they say: "CHAOS outside of you, COSMOS in your heart! COSMOS outside of you, CHAOS in your heart!"

BTW UBUNTU (even the name for an alternative operating system which I use offline). Is this particular way of life only for South Africa? I haven't met it among North Africans. At least not yet. - Well, we may (hopefully) have this discussion somewhere else and not in this gb. Someday, if the God will.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I think I posted something more definitive a couple of years ago, based on Sandy's recollections of places he'd played. The first was certainly some place in California - not LA itself, but nearby. Maybe I can dig out some notes at some point. From the dates and from what Sandy said, it was pretty clear that he was the Hawks' choice (which says something about Dylan trusting them) but would've needed a couple of weeks to work off his notice with Hawkins, who he was with at the time, and get out to the west coast. As Levon had left without notice, and Sandy wasn't going to be there for a couple of weeks, Dylan would have needed a stop gap, as you just said, and Bobby Gregg, who'd played on so many of the classic recordings, again as you said, would have been the obvious first choice.


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Posted by:

Peter V

That's interesting, Bill. The Bob Dylan references are wrong then … they also miss out a couple of November dates on the tour, so are not perfect. It figures as Bobby Gregg was a reluctant session man dragged into it because he knew Dylan and knew the material (he'd played on the two recent Dylan albums, as well as added drums to the Simon & Garfunkel tracks electrified in their absence.)

It figures that he was a stopgap until they could get Sandy Konikoff, and the West Coast tour was a full 19 days, and someone who didn't want to tour would not have been overjoyed at an unplanned three weeks on the road right before Christmas. It would be good to know when Konikoff joined them in California.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Hawks drummers

Peter V: From chatting with Sandy, I've gleaned that he joined the Hawks in California and played some shows there in December. And that he also handed off to Mickey Jones in California shortly before they went on to Hawaii. He even mentioned the latter bit again when I last spoke to him (Monday), saying that Jones had come to him to ask if there was anything in particular that he should keep in mind.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

My first concert was Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow 1976 with opening act Max Webster ( Man on the Silver Mountain and Smoke on the Water were part of my repertoire at the time! ) ……I was 14 and my mother insisted on having my older sister meet my friend Tim and I at the exit – all quite embarrassing….I remember being handed a joint and not knowing what to do with it…..the guy was frustrated and said “if you’re not going to smoke it then pass it along” I remember thinking how good it smelled and for many years later that smell instantly brought back memories of concerts…..later that summer I saw Santana and Peter Frampton….in Frampton’s case, it was the height of the Frampton Comes Alive mania….I still remember Frampton pulled the ladies as half the crowd was female…..At the Rainbow show – there may have only been 2 or 3 girls in attendance!


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Posted by:

Peter V

In the "Oh, No! Not Another Bob Dylan Book" by Patrick Humphries & John Bauldie, they list the 1965 Dylan concerts. Levon left after the show in Washington DC which was 28th November. They then flew to the West Coast playing their first non-Levon concert in Seattle on December 1st with Bobby Gregg who stayed with them for the West Coast concerts 1st to 19th December.

Sandy Konikoff replaced Gregg when they recommenced touring on February 4th 1966 and stayed until March 26th.

Mickey Jones then replaced Konikoff from April 9th when they were in Hawaii.

Quotes. Levon, Modern Drummer 1984:

After a while it wasn’t a whole lot of fun. It wasn’t like I was ready to go into hospital and give up or anything like that, but I figured maybe we should practise or something

Quote. Robbie, sleeve notes to To Kingdom Come CDs:

He said ‘I don’t want to do this anymore. He didn’t feel that you could do anything with it rhythmically and there was no room and no way to make it feel good. To me, it was like ‘Yeah, but the experience equals this music in the making. We will find the music. It will take some time but we will find it and eventually we’ll make it something that we need to get out of it.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

My first concert was seeing YES in 1979 - sophmore in High School - In the Round at the Spectrum in Philadelphia.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Subject: first concert?

I guess I'll have to start by paraphrasing the other Bill: What do you mean when you say concert? If you mean just music played by people holding guitars it'd be grade 8 and two groups populated by schoolmates. If you mean music played by professionals it'd be Edward Bear in the gym in grade 9; they played "You, Me And Mexico" which wasn't even out on 45 at the time, but otherwise were straight blues-rock. If you mean music played by professionals outside a school, it'd be, I think, Luke and the Apostles opening for Mashmakhan at the Ex in August '70. Because they were the opening act and because they were running late they didn't even do the song I'd come to see, their awesome single, "You Make Me High" - which still does, though I don't get to hear it too often.

Luke and the Apostles, then at the tail end of their first reunion, comprised Luke Gibson (who would soon turn down an offer to front Seatrain), Walter Rossi and Jack Geisinger (who'd previously been with Buddy Miles and Wilson Pickett) and Pat Little (Van Morrison). The fact that musicians of that calibre were around here at all had a lot to do with Vietnam. Joining a US band meant moving to the States, which meant getting a green card, which might mean getting drafted - a fate that was easily dodged but at the cost of the ability to ever work in the States again (and not just live there). So it's something of a wonder that none of our guys were called, apparently. Luck? Grossman's clout? Too unhealthy? A history of littering (viz. "Alice's Restaurant", as referred to by Joan, I believe)?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: OOPS!!

LARS!! When are you and the Mrs going to the Whitehouse for dinner??? ......... every one is invited I guess.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: RDF

Subject: October 65

I checked out a couple sources and it would seem that Levon had yet to leave in October 65.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: First concert

Queen, Sydney Entertainment Centre, April 1985. I was supposed to be doing my final exams. They were brilliant. My exams weren't.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: First Live Gigs

We did this before, but it's always interesting. Leaving aside the remote possibility that some future stars were playing in bands at wedding receptions when I was in single figures, my first was Brian Hyland and Little Eva at Bournemouth Winter Gardens. There were about six artistes on the show, and I doubt that Little Eva did more than four or five numbers, but she stole the show. The Locomotion, He Is The Boy, Keep Your Hands Off My Baby were certain. I think she did Swinging on A Star (without Big Dee Irwin) too. A faint memory would have Peter Jay & The Jaywalkers backing the whole show.

Hyland had had a huge hit with Sealed With A Kiss and had just done Warmed Over Kisses (Left Over love), later covered by Dave Edmunds. I May Not Live To See Tomorrow (I May Die Tonight Of A Broken Heart) was current and I bought it at a time when buying a single was a major event and investment. It may be one of the top twenty worst records ever made. But I still like most of Brian Hyland's stuff. Four Little Heels (Go Clickity Clack) was one I turned up the other day on an old 45. I don't think he wrote his own stuff, but Hyland was partial to songs with parentheses.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the turtle pond

Subject: This day in history

Every time I hear anyone say, "Happy Thanksgiving!", I hear it in Rick's voice. Nice touch this week, getting to hear the "warts and all" version of The Last Waltz on Bill Graham's legacy site. I can't afford the merchandise they offer, but I love the spirit in which the music is offered. By the way, my first rock concert was The Supremes at Villanova in 1966 with supporting acts The Checkmates Ltd (Canadian content alert!), and The Parliaments doing a Temptations-like soul revue featuring matching suits and choreography, with "ready to burst out in the funk" George Clinton. Their hit song "I Just Want to Testify (What Your Love Has Done for Me)" certainly opened a new door or two for me. Next concert was Lighthouse and John Mayall opening for Jefferson Airplane a few years later.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: dlew919

Sorry Dlew919 I missed your request for the Ry Cooder set list. Can't remember it all but it included Crazy about an automobile, Jesus on the mainline, How can a poor man stand such times and live, Vigilante Man, He'll have to go,Little Sister (of course), Down in Hollywood and a surprise FDR in Trinidad. He said he'd been asked for that song the night before in Auckland but couldn't remember it so he re-learnt it for the Wellington gig.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Norm

Thank you. I'm lucky to be married to my best friend.


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: October 65

Link is to an article about 'My First Rock Concert'. In this case Dylan at Kleinhan's Music Hall in Buffalo in October 1965. The writer notes that the band was "complete with Levon Helm who had bolted for awhile".

I thought that when Levon left the Hawks he was gone for quite awhile. Would he really have been around in Oct. 65.

For the record my first rock concert was on the other side of the lake about six/seven years later. It was headlined by Lighthouse. Somewhere between Kingston and Toronto, within sight of the lake, outdoors on a Sunday afternoon, with my older cousins who all got drunk. Might have been Canada Day if they had Canada Days back then.

Been a long day. No holiday round here. But, I finally got to streamin TLW from Wolfgang's Vault . Right now it's Joni and I'm wonderin how she got three songs. Not really. Would you have said no to Joni? I think not.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks to Mike and Kim...

I'm just listening to 'The Weight'. It puts a big smile on my face...


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: le grand dérangement

sadavid: Seeing your reference to "le grand dérangement", I immediately feared that things had overheated again here at the GB. Good to see you were referring to something else, though I couldn't help but note that David P's new clerk shows signs of being a tad unhinged.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: nouvelles concernant le grand dérangement

". . . new details of Acadian resistance to the 18th-century deportation . . . ."


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: HAPPY THANKSGIVING

NORM: Beautiful post. You're welcome, and I love you too,

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all about Paul McCartney: Good Evening New York City

Thursday, nov. 26th 10PM

Forty-four years ago, four kids from Liverpool performed what was then the largest, highest grossing rock concert ever—the Beatles Live at Shea Stadium. In the summer of 2009, Paul McCartney did it again, performing at Shea's former site, New York's Citi Field in Queens, NY. ABC will bring viewers this dazzling concert in which he performs Beatles, Wings and solo classics. Culled from nearly three hours of music and video, the program is an emotional journey through his legendary 50-year musical career and includes footage of the original Beatles concert at Shea. McCartney also talks candidly about those early days and what it was like to return to a place where he performed at the height of Beatlemania.

The special was produced by ABC's Lincoln Square Productions. Rudy Bednar and David Saltz are the executive producers

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Sunday, Nov. 26th, 8PM-MIDNIGHTHBO, TV-14 PREVIEW

The 25th Anniversary Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Concert

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame used some slightly dubious math to call this a 25th-anniversary event, considering that its first class of inductees was in 1986. Who cares? Any excuse to get this many legends together on stage is a good one. Only-in-dreams collaborations were the rule at the two all-star NYC shows that were filmed for this special, so get ready to see Bruce Springsteen rock ''Born to Run'' with Billy Joel, Stevie Wonder groove on ''The Tracks of My Tears'' with Smokey Robinson, and U2 burn through ''Gimme Shelter'' with Mick Jagger and the ubiquitous Black Eyed Peas, along with too many other showstoppers to list here. — Simon Vozick-Levinson

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Friday

11PM-MIDNIGHTVH1, TV-PGVH1 Storytellers: Foo Fighters Dave Grohl is a true rock star at a time when those magical creatures seem to be in short supply; he is also one of the funniest men in any business. Tonight, he and his band brethren play the hits, tell the tales of how they came to be — and, of course, fight foo. — Whitney Pastorek

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Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacifc Northwest

Subject: Friendship

I'm going to put my last few thoughts here, then I'll go away. The damnest things happen. I was sitting at my desk writing in a card to Carolyn, my friend's wife and she phoned me. She asked me if I would come and sing a couple of songs at Bill's "Celebration of Life" I think it will be hard, but some times you got to be strong for others.

Regarding friendship, (wouldn't it be great if we could all be friends) I hope for every one to be blessed with friends like I have been. When you find that a friend who when he closes his eyes for the last time wants to hear you singing a song he loves, it is a humbling feeling that you are that special to some one, and it brings with it responsibilty to his family.

Friendship...real friendship, when you meet some one and a bond begins that lasts a lifetime. It never needs to be acknowledged or addressed, it's just there. Some times even if it may be tested a little, it endures and lasts a life time. With that thought in mind, there is only one song for Carolyn that I hope I have the strength to do.

I'd like to share this song with y'all for a "Thanks Giving" gift. An old song from Don Williams.

My Best Friend:

You placed gold on my finger,

You brought love like I've never know.

You gave life to our children

And to me a reason to go on.

You're my bread when I'm hungry

You're my shelter from troubled wind

You're my anchor in life's ocean

But most of all your my best friend.

When I need hope and inspiration

You're always strong when I'm tired and weak.

I could search the whole world over

You'd still be everything that I need.

You're my bread when I'm hungry

You're my shelter from troubled wind.

You're my anchor in life's ocean

But most of all your my best friend


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Mike & Kim

A very good link - thank you. I was actually thinking of Levon's impressive knowledge of songs last night while watching a PBS special on the life of Woody Guthrie.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Fave raves

Levon's remarkably consistent. Somewhere in his book or an interview he says the first record he bought was School Days by Chuck Berry and he still loves the B-side enough to have it in his top five. I like that.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: In The Beginning

The lord said "Let there be light" ......but nobody had any batteries.

Brien: Thank you I wish everyone could be a gentlemen like yourself. Also Serenity and Daena. You're a sweet lady Serenity. Thank you for that nice e mail.

Todd; By the time you read this, I may be far away, but I'll talk to you again. Your joking is always fine with me Todd. We've had many good conversations. I've been around here a lot of years now with this site. I've been around a lot longer in performing for years, and operating a business I consider myself a fairly good jugde of people. But I must be missing something here.

David makes a remark about something...I forget what now. He puts one of those smily things or what ever you call them behind it which I guess means "JOKE!" Peter makes a remark, (which I could see he was just joking.) But in comes Annie Oakley on a big black horse with 2 - 45's blazing at Peter, swearing like a sailor........just a minute....I'm a sailor. No....swearing like a New York cop.....that's better. I don't get it???????

Now this other site is continually portrayed as a utopia where every one loves every one, and here we are a bunch of mean louzy riff raff. Well ok... I can't see why any one really gives a hoot how many sites any one talks on, and in reality it's no one's business what some one else does is it?

Kevin J made a comment, 'cause some people defend the other site most strenuously, and that's fine. My remark was to Kevin "Friends in Low Places" of course I was eluding to Garth Brooks song. This site is supposed to be "music related". I use songs, and song titles all the time. It is supposed to be humorous, .......I thought. I was trying to lighten things up. However I suppose with the way this internet works, (you can't see the twinkle in one's eye) too often things are taken the wrong way. You're a good man Todd. I don't see any reason for any dissention.

As David and I agreed yesterday, life is far too short for these harmful feelings

All you no good low down Yankee sons a ......well you know. Enjoy your Thanks Giving. By the way, I turned on my TV a couple days ago. There's this Garfield show goin' on. Garfield has this turkey running around his living room while him and his master are trying to watch TV. Garfield trys to take on the turkey. The turkey picks him up, packs him over to the door and throws him out on the porch and slams the door. Garfield is sitting on the porch looking puzzled and says, "What just happended?" So y'all watch those turkeys.

Lars! Get down outta that gawd damn tree and rake them leaves........I'm done.


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Subject: What are Levon's five fav tunes"?

Check out the link for the answer. Happy Thanksgiving Band-land! http://plochmann.blogspot.com


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Posted by:

Sally

Happy Thanksgiving!


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Bumbles

i used to understand everything that turn around, cross, go through, jump on... The Band GB, but there's one thing that my little ragged Arab brain hardly tried and tried to understand, i finally withdrew to understand :

that Bumbles refuses to post in this GB for the reason that the site is in Norway,

mystère et boule de gomme, in the long run, whatever is everybody's take about the man, seldom can you find among the everybodys somebaody who owns his culture in Rock music, the level of perfection of discussions on pure Rock music he inflates in The Band GB


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Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: RR's mic

"I can't take the way he sings, but I love to hear him talk."


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Posted by:

Lil

Molly!! So nice to see you! Drop me and my son a line and let us know how you're doing. d_lil at hotmail dot com. Happy Thanksgiving!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Happy Thanksgiving all! Be Safe Be Happy


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Posted by:

Carmen

Location: Philly burbs

Thanks for the update Nathan T. Happy Thanksgiving to all GB'ers.


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Posted by:

long distance operator

Location: the great rick danko

Subject: nov. 26th

"Happy Thanksgiving!"


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Cyril

Cyril, we need something to talk about - otherwise this GB wouldn't exist.

Anyway the main point I was making is that the official release of TLW seems to be pretty much what was played on the night. There were obviously technical problems and a few bum notes that had to be fixed.

I have no real preference for who sang the high part on IMND. We don't get to see much of Richard in the film so we can't see what he was actually doing on that number. He does turn in a great performance on Tura Lura though.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Happy Thanksgiving..


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Posted by:

Molly Z

Location: CA, now in TN

Subject: Popping Back In

Heyaz Y'all! Good to see this site's still alive, after 4 months of not having internet & several more months of craziness in my life. Just wanted to wish you all a Happy ThanksGiving and of course to Levon, Garth, Robbie, etc! Love y'all and missed you guys.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: DuBois

Subject: TLW

Mr/ Ms Cyril- So...you're saying you DO think RR's mic was turned off?


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Posted by:

Cyril

First things first. David P., Viney, Westcoaster, Steve and Bill M. are jealous of you. Can't you tell? Blow them off, really, what do they matter in the big scheme of things? Todd, don't waste your energy on fools such as NITWIT & Westcoaster. They are cut from the same low-grade cloth. You, my friend, have too much class to dwell in their sewage. The entertaining thing about all the nasty comments lately is that Robbie Robertson by way of his son, Sebastian, can finally see the repulsive, disquieting (bordering on insane) characteristics of some of his most obsessive fans (stalkers!). WHO CARES ABOUT THE DAMN MICROPHONE. If Robbie sang, good for him. If he didn't, so what. The Last Waltz was beautiful. Enjoy the music. Stop fantasizing that Mr. Robertson is your golden idol or you might end up in a jail cell. It's rather frightening.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: What will we know of The Beatles in 1000 years

John Lennon, Paul McKenzie, Scottie and Greg from Liventon in UK - brilliant stuff....


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Bohemian Rhapsody, as done by the Muppets

Hope you all enjoy this... Band link? Song was released in 1976 (in Australia): Last Waltz performed 1976 (in San Fransisco)


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Posted by:

daena (said dana)

Location: florida

Subject: happy thanksgivings day to all..

i'm sorry norm to hear of your freinds passing away...may they r.i.p. i would like to wish everyone here , and everyone who works to make this page work a happy thanks givings day , and hope all of you have a great holliday bye bye to all .. daena was here today..


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: A Dogs' Christmas

LINK: Thought you dog lovers would enjoy this vid. Music: Brenda Lee's Rockin' Christmas Tree".

YOUNG HIPPIE: I'm a fun-lovin' kinda gal. To me humor is always needed no matter who you are and where you are. Don't like my humor? Pass me by.

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CYA soon Have a good one.. xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Norm - my prayers and thoughts are with you..,


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Westcoaster, I’m very sorry to hear that your friend passed away. I’m glad that you were able to get a copy of your CD to him a few weeks ago. It sounds like your music was a great comfort to him.

Obviously if I knew that your friend was ill and had just passed away, I wouldn’t have joked around with you here. I won’t belabor the point, and I’m on my way out to travel for Thanksgiving, so I will be away from the computer for a day or so, but I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, then we can hopefully put this to rest.

1 – Your reference to having friends in “low places” seemed designed to illicit a response. Was I not supposed to take the bait? I’m sorry if you didn’t like my response. I thought by my shifting it to altitude…sea level vs. the hills….rather than personalities would defuse any tension. Guess not.
2 – I’ve never made a secret of the fact that I post in more than one place. I’m not “peering” in here. I’m visiting here just as I’ve been for the past ten years or so.
3 – I try to never say anything in a post that I wouldn’t say to someone face to face.
4 – I’ve never posted anything remotely threatening….subtle or otherwise. I’m not sure where you got that from? The point that I was making is that some people can dish it out but not take it. It seems that some people feel that jokes are only funny when they’re at other people’s expense.

I won’t be able to reply right away, and I’m not looking for an argument. I’m off to visit family and celebrate Thanksgiving. Sorry again about your friend.
Be well.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Avett Brothers

On the subject of new music......if Rufus Wainwright had a Band baby - it would sound much better than him and as good as these guys....the sometimes brilliant Avett Brothers...

Norm: Sorry to hear of the loss of your friend……life is short and as beautiful as it can be at times it is also hard and unfair much of the time. That said, the image of a friend playing another friend’s music surrounded by family adds some comfort and dignity to a death.

Dexter has now watched TLW 87 times – he thinks all the mics were on and that Richard did the high bits on IMND……he also insists that Bill Graham served ratatouille and not turkey and wants to sue his parents....apparantly they have no plans on giving him a cut of what Bill stuffed in that envelope....


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Across the Great Divide

Although the novelist Thomas Wolfe told us one can "look homeward" to Asheville, North Carolina (fictionalized as Altamont & Libya Hill), one really "can't go home again". Is that an expression of Americana spirit, constantly on the move towards some new destination, from the Blue Ridge Mountains & points in-between, across the Great Divide to L.A.? Even the Robinson brothers of the Black Crowes long ago left their home in Georgia, and recently recorded at Levon's barn near Woodstock. And it was 40 years ago that The Band (four from Canada & one from Arksansas) journeyed from Woodstock to the Hollywood Hills to record a landmark album. Pardon the digression, but I too am looking forward to hearing this new recording from Truth & Salvage.


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Posted by:

BWNWITenn

Peter, even though as you pointed out Truth & Salvage's members came from Ohio, Indiana, Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana, they met in LA, which they now call home. But interestingly, when I saw them they claimed to be from North Carolina! (Where I guess a couple of them played together in a college band.) Apparently NC has more Americana cred than Lala-land!

They really are very good live - I hope things go well for them. They were mingling at the club I saw them at and seem to be pretty nice guys.


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Posted by:

David P

At another point during TLW film, you can clearly see, as well as hear, Robbie yelling responses in the background during Muddy Waters' performance of "Mannish Boy".


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Posted by:

Nathan T

Carmen: On Robbie's facebook it says that the album should be finished this month and released sometime in spring


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Posted by:

Pat B

David P, to me it sounds like the backgrounds were redone in the studio. Definitely Richard's falsetto on the boot and released cd/movie. He's still singing the high falsetto part on the last few lines of each chorus in Don't Do It, the last song of the night. They hadn't been on the road grind since mid-September except for SNL.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: CD'S

Peter; As I probably won't get the cd's for a little over a week, and then I got to get some over to Laurie, I'd give it two weeks, and it should be up there.

I'm a little behind, as I had to put Susan on her plane to Australia this morning. Now I'm setting about getting this all completed........sorry for the delay. Hell it's only been 25 years.......harumph!


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Posted by:

David P

Pat: My point was that TLW was a different situation from typical "none of them talked on stage" during a concert. My earlier comment addressed the question of who was singing the high part on "It Makes No Difference". I contend that it was Richard, and pointed out that Robbie was not singing close enough into his mic during those vocal parts for his voice to be that strongly discernable.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Norm, I can see Lorne's CD on the site "Tug Boat Man" but no mention of yours. Also there's no listing for international postage, which would knock a big hole in the takings unless you add it on top.


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Posted by:

Pat B

David P, as I recall, didn't Levon say the Woodstock performance was bad because RR's mic was on? Or did Levon only tell the mixer at TLW to kill his mic when the group was performing but turn it up when RR spoke? I forget how the story went. Either way, RR would have noticed the mic off and done something about it.


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: Thanksgiving & Serenity

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. By the way, Serenity, do you write for fun or just for us?


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Posted by:

David P

Pat: However, The Last Waltz was a different situation in that Robbie did address the audience to introduce the guest performers.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: With Thanks

Thank you all for condolenses, some times I get really angry. That gawd damn cancer.....I guess getting to our age, just seems to be taking too many of my friends.

By the way, the CD'S are being pressed right now, so if any one may want one they can be purchased at brother Lorne's website: - www.lornejones.com ... or my e mail is tugmanatshawdotca .... however, as I am still gone for long periods of time now and then Lorne's is the best bet.

His friend who looks after his website, she is an accountant, her name is Laurie and they employ Pay Pal with all major credit cards.

Now perhaps some of you sound knowledgeable people can tell me. When I play this cd on my old analogue system there is noticable reverb on vocals, not too much I guess but noticable. However on the digital system not neerly as noticable.......shrugs.......I don't know??????


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Posted by:

Pat B

The mic story has a few problems. If you are onstage singing into a mic connected to a big PA, you are going to hear/feel your voice filling the room, no matter how good the monitor system is. To think that a mic could be surreptitiously cut off and the singer using the mic wouldn't know it is pretty silly. Also, the Band used to sound check for hours. RR did not have a live mic so he could talk to the audience as none of them talked on stage. He had a mic because he sang some.


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Posted by:

David P

That leads to the old riddle -- If Richard was singing and the image wasn't captured on film, was his voice heard?


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Posted by:

Carmen

Subject: RR CD

I was wondering if anyone has any more news on the RR CD that started as a Clapton / RR work?


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Confessions of a young woman from Marlboro, MA.

NORM- Right on.

Illka- I remember Catbalou. We were in touch for a brief time. Seemed like a nice person. We've had a lot of good people come in here to visit- George "Gopher" Rollins, Dan Blood from CA, Tracy from Oregon, Ed Voci from Chicago....eventually they went away. There was also a guy named Jan who used to post in here. He must have gotten banned or run over by a Saab or something; he doesn't come in here anymore.

BTW, I was the guy who posted that "Happy Thanksgiving" from "Rick Danko" (that's not even my name). I also have to admit that I posted once under the name of "Robbie Robertson" and said something like "Why doncha....why doncha do that again?"

And a long time ago I used the name "Karen" and some guy started really hitting on me. But if Karen were here, I'm sure she would say "Happy Thanksgiving" to one and all.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The mic question in TLW is based on preconditioned prejudice more than anything. I always thought Levon was making an amusing remark which (from his point of view) had a resonance. I never assumed he was saying factually that someone in the sound crew disabled Robbie's mic without him knowing or that Robbie deliberately sang into an off mic. It's clear that Levon (a) has a sense of humour (b) a sense of irony and (c) knows how to make a point with a story. That's what I reckon he was doing, making a point, and it was memorable. The problem is the "Levonistas" who don't share the "boss"s ability at weaving a yarn, nor his sense of humour.

If you look at the times when Robbie is sharing a mic with someone else, (like a guest) it's evident that it must be live.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: In peaceful sleep of shady summertime...

Sorry to hear about your friend, Norm. You're right about life being way too short. Thanksgiving is a time to lift a glass of watermelon wine, blended whiskey, or your favorite beverage, to toast those who've touched our lives.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: This and That

Norm, my condolences on your friends passing. but how wonderful that you helped him pass over with music that he loved in his ears.

Paul Tolleson: Welcome, and thank you for your service.

Tenn: Thanks for the link to Truth and Salvage. I really like their sound. I'll be getting that CD for sure.

I'm looking forward to my annual listen to "Alice's Restaurant".

But most of all, A Happy and safe Thanksgiving to all. May you have many things to be thankful for.


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Posted by:

Lil

llkka: Yes, I remember Catbalou.. and yes, her name was Cathia. We kept in touch for awhile via e-mail. I was notified by her sister at some point that she had taken ill. After that, none of us were able to contact her.


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Posted by:

David P

Whether or not his mic was on seems to be a moot point, as it's evident in the film shots that Robbie is not close enough to the mic for his voice to be clearly heard. Wasn't "It Makes No Difference" one of the early songs performed at TLW? If so, it might not have been a problem for Richard to sing the high part at that point in the long evening.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

if Robbie talked a little less and sang a little more, ...in TLW


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, if you're up for additional ifs how about, if the mike was on, if Richard couldn't sing the part.

If it was Robbie why wouldn't it be evident in the official release.You'd think it would be included but I could be wrong. I haven't heard the version Rod mentioned.

In 83 it appears Richard was able to sing the part again at least it sounds like him and he appears to be singing and I bet his mike was on. I just listened to it again a few minutes ago and it sounds an awful lot like the Band recordings of the song but maybe it's one of the Cate's doing a great Richard impersonation.


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Posted by:

Serenity

KEVIN J: No Billy Preston is not in the R&R HOF as yet.

TENN: Nice to see you back here again.

NORM: So sorry about your friend. I know how you must feel? I lost my close girlfriend of 69 years last year, and it still hurts.Time may heal, but the memories will never go away.Thank the good Lord for that. Looking forward to your new CD.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all in the US. Hope it's a good one.

Here's a fun poem I found today.

May your stuffing be tasty May your turkey plump,

May your potatoes and gravy have nary a lump.

May your yams be delicious and your pies take the prize,

and may your Thanksgiving dinner stay off your thighs!!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE XOXOXOXO


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Posted by:

Peter V

Sorry to hear that, Norm. That's going to be with you every time you sing it now, but it sounds like good memories too.


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Posted by:

Deb

Norm, I'm really sorry to hear about your friend. What a gift for both you and him that he was able to find comfort in your singing that song.


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Posted by:

Ilkka Jauramo

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Internet security

1.) For about ten years ago there was a post in gb: "RICK DANKO, from the kitchen: Happy Thanksgiving." Was it Rick Danko? If not, who was it?

2.) For about ten years ago there was a female gb regular with the name CATBALU. I emailed to her frequently and at least following gbers should remember her: Peter V, Lars, "Ragtime", Serge Daniloff, Diamond Lil, Jan Hoiberg. She disappeared when RICK DANKO was died. I contacted the headmaster of the school where her kids went. No reply. - Was it CATHIA? If not, who was it?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Price You Pay

Late last night I got one of those phone calls you dread. My friend Dale Alder, (who I've mentioned before is married to Terry Fox sister Judy) called me. His Dad my friend of 42 years passed away last night of cancer. I was fortunate enough to get down to see him just a few weeks ago. As my master CD was just finished I got a copy burned and took to Bill to have a listen as he is a life long fan.

Dale told me, "Norm, Dad was listening to his all time favourite song you recorded. Old Dogs & Children & Water mellon Wine. He said play it once more Dale, and he just went to sleep and he was gone." So I guess it gives that old song special meaning for me.

So I am a little let down to see this petty stuff continue here. I notice your "profound" statements to me and BWNWIT here Todd. It has the feeling of subtle threats. I have never said, I'm leaving and never coming back, or left in a huff, (I don't even own a huff actually). You just won't admit that it is redundant to post the exact post here and in the other site. You and the Den mother and others prove quite conclusively that every one there peers in here constantly to have lots of things to "discuss" there, and modify to suit the purpose.

Life is way too short for this sort of stuff. There is plenty of confrontation every where you look to continue it here seems quite futile.


Entered at Wed Nov 25 16:02:57 CET 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: You obviously exaggerated for effect in your reply to Rod. But as we must deal strictly in truthiness here, it must be said that there are just two ifs before the then. If live and if Robbie (or vice versa) then ...

Re Thanksgiving wishes, as a Canuckistani I'm pleased to see that Lil's good will extends to at least October 2010.


Entered at Wed Nov 25 15:58:53 CET 2009 from (69.182.103.63)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Tennessee, Thanks for the Mary Martin link. I hadn't seen that one before, and it provided some good background info on her that I wasn't aware of.

At some point in life you might want to decide if you'd rather be an instigator or a victim.....seems like you're trying to wear both of those hats at the same time. It's just my opinion, but if you put scorn, ridicule and contempt out there, you shouldn't be surprised if the favor gets returned.

Maybe the news travels slowly in your neck of the woods, but the last Presidential election was between Senator Obama and Governor Palin (or at least that's the way it seemed) But don't blame me if things didn't turn out the way you wanted in previous years. I voted for Gore....although I don't know if he'd get my vote again today. Brother Gore has got a bigger carbon footprint than I'm comfortable with.

To Paul Tolleson, I'm glad to hear that you enjoy The Band. Thanks for your service, and welcome to TBGB.

I hope that everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The Truth & Salvage Company’s website is worth exploring further … apart from intriguing audios, they have a lot of background info. They have twin keyboards, like a famous group we often discuss, but two guitar players. The pianist, Walker Young, hails from Atlanta, Georgia. The organist, Adam Grace from Tupelo, Mississippi. I can’t recall the famous singer connection there, but I’m sure there is one ☺ I was surprised you didn’t tell us about the Atlanta connection, David.


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Posted by:

Bill M

BWNWIT: Thanks for the Mary Martin link. I always liked her work in Peter Pan too. BTW, I neglected to make sure that your acronym hasn't changed. There are pros and cons either way, as you may know.

C'mon David P, even I can think of a more offensive Bumblesism than that! And even that pales in comparison to at least one post by a still-semi-regular.


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Posted by:

David P

When someone reacts negatively to offensive & inappropriate comments, it's not hate, but rather an expression of indignation & conscience. While he might not have made a crude joke about drowning children, I do remember a certain comment that basically categorized those young Americans serving in the armed forces as losers. I'll leave it to y'all to guess which of those missing favorites made that comment. Have a nice Thanksgiving.


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Posted by:

Deb

Thanks for both links, Tenn. Interesting reading and good listening.


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Posted by:

joe j

Hey Paul Tolleson. Stick around.

Hey to you too Tenn. Great link.


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Posted by:

Steve

Rod, if , if, if, then.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Welcome back, Tenn. Always good to hear from you and I enjoyed the link. Interesting video! The Truth & Salvage Company will be on my list of "buy nows" when their album comes out. Most "will appeal to Band fan" groups are a long way away and it's hard to see the connection (e.g. Mercury rev, although I like them very much anyway). But these Truth & salvage Company guys, like The Gourds, make the connection clear.


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Posted by:

Lil

Well Tenn.. if it was you (shit on a shoe all looks the same to me).. you must be real proud. Nice of you to own up to the fact that you took real pleasure in making fun of a female poster here when her children almost drowned. What a stand-up guy!

Wishing the good people here a happy and healthy Thanksgiving.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Complete Last Waltz

I've only ever heard bits of this before. Had a listen to a few more tunes tonight and to me they sound pretty close to what's on the official release. There are a few differences but not the wholesale changes that some people would have you believe. One of the most interesting bits is the high vocal on IMND which I always thought was added later. I'm not sure that it was Richard as I doubt he could hit notes that high in 76 so I guess it was Robbie. Either way it sounds good. If it's Robbie then it makes a mockery of Levon's claim that he sung into a turned off mike.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Tenn...Thanks for the link...great sound


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Posted by:

BWNWITenn

Web: My link

A nice new band that might be of interest to fans of The Band - Truth & Salvage Co. They've recently been opening for the Black Crowes. Great live band, nice Americana sound, strong songs, lots of harmonies, two keyboard players, four different lead singers, multiple writers. I think their first record drops soon. "Pure Mountain Angel" under the video tab of the link should appeal to Band people.


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Posted by:

BWNWITenn

Web: My link

Just checking in here again and attempting to share some news. It's interesting to see that Peter has now been elevated to the same esteemed position once held by myself, Bumbles, Crabgrass, et al, by the same little group of people who seem to be continually in dire need of someone to be offended by and whom they can attempt to run out of town on a rail. Why do I always come away from this site with the distinct impression that specific posters voted for George W. Bush?

Speaking of which, Lil, I noticed a recent post of yours in which you claimed that Bumbles had once made a joke about young children almost drowning. That, I believe, was actually me. Please get your facts straight, madam.

Unfortunately, I see that Pat B has beaten me to the news about the complete Last Waltz being up on Wolfgang's Vault. Damn it! Well, I don't believe anyone has posted the linked interesting article about Mary Martin.

Hmm, maybe if I'm offensive enough I can take some of the heat from the Hate Crew for awhile and give poor Pete a brief respite. Let's see... Q.: How do you save a drowning baby? A.: Take your hand off the back of its head!


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: THE BAND

LINK: For those [and I'm sure there aren't too many here] this is the history of THE BAND, from the 1994 R&RHOF. All in one place and very well put together for those who want to keep it. I'm going to be putting it on their disk I've made.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Pat B

Wolfgang's Vault just posted the entire Last Waltz. It's source is the Cool Daddy "The Complete Last Waltz" from the 90's. Happy Thanksgiving.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Greeny

David, I understand what you're saying and I love Page, but, imho, you cannot beat Peter Green, a true 12 bar genius.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Haydain Neale

Sad news for Canada's hip hop community.

Jacksoul frontman Haydain Neale dies of lung cancer at age 39-- Tue Nov 24

TORONTO - Jacksoul frontman Haydain Neale was remembered as an "amazing individual" and a "joyful presence" as stunned colleagues learned of his death from cancer on Monday.

Neale, the frontman for the Juno Award-winning group, died Sunday at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto at age 39, after a seven-month battle with lung cancer, the family said in a release Monday. Neale had also been recovering from serious injuries after being hit by a car while driving his Vespa motor scooter in Toronto on Aug. 3, 2007.

His friends and fellow musicians were shocked by the news, particularly since many of them thought that he was over the worst part of his illness and was recovering. "That guy just exuded what it is to be a really cool, down to earth, just amazing individual," Toronto hip-hop MC Kardinal Offishall told The Canadian Press backstage at the SOCAN awards on Monday. "Wow. Canada really lost something special." Family members and friends were by his side when he died.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Paul Tolleson

Location: Weaver, Alabama

Subject: website; The Band

Great website for a truly great band. I'm a 27 year old soldier stationed in Fort Stewart, GA. When I was on my most recent field exercise, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" kept going through my head and for some reason it kept me driving on. My dad introduced me to their music when I was around 17 and they have always been one of my favorites.


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Posted by:

Peter V

That would explain it! Glad it wasn't just me. It really was awful. What a prat he made of himself.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Peter

The guitarist's performance was shocking. But it may be explained by the fact that I think it was the Manic Street Preachers' lead guitarist, who I think wrote the song. But I may be wrong

You know. I'm a star. I'll have to make a performance.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Crossroads to Fame

Kevin: Many of former members of John Mayall's Bluesbreakers went on to greater fame, including the original Fleetwood Mac. It's hard to beat his succession of lead guitarists -- Eric Clapton, Peter Green and Mick Taylor. Depending on your preferences, the Yardbirds may have topped that with Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

David……a bit of a stretch but the guys in the original Jeff Beck group went on to a fair bit of fame with other groups ( Faces ) and solo…..Funny bit of trivia only the goggle world could create…….looking for the list of RRHOF sidemen, I came across many references to the Beatles being great sidemen due to that very short lived association with Tony Sheridan…..


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Norah & dogs

Yes, I noticed that when I heard the song. The album is less radically different than what the reviews had led me to expect … and I think that for once the "De Luxe edition" with six track live CD is worth the extra, but then again I always used to buy Norah Jones singles for the extra tracks. She does good cover versions. What a shame that she prefers the company of dogs to men.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Norah Goes to the Dogs

Peter: Norah Jones explains the dog-filled cover in the last song on her new album. Titled "Man of the Hour," the song examines all the reasons dogs are better companions than men.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: A reminder

LINK: Just a reminder and beautiful song. I rec'd this one in my BGD [bygone days]. Sure do love getting these oldies, w/out having to check them out.

PETER: Nice to hear that Shirley Bassey is still around. She did have a beautiful voice from what I remember.

DLEW: Right you are about Nelly and ROBBIE. I remember her giving him credit on an award she won some time ago. In fact, I have a vid that ROBBIE mentioned her in an interview with that gal [name slips me], who gave a few shows from Toronto. It was a great interview with ROBBIE. Told his life story with photos,etc.

The talk about wanting LEVON and ROBBIE being friends again isn't so far fetched. If Dean Martin [may he RIP, luv this guy],and Jerry Lewis can do it, why not ROBBIE and LEVON?Anything can happen if they wanted it too.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Converting to mp3

I just came across this site. It enables you to get an audio from a youtube video. I haven't tried it yet, but it looks interesting


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, do you think the Band could be considered as sidemen during TLW when they were backing someone like say, Muddy Waters? I'm not clear on when performers are sidemen or part of the band. It's kind of murky for me.


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Posted by:

David P

Unlike Seger and Springsteen, Tom Petty and Elvis Costello shared their Rock & Roll Hall of Fame honors with their respective bands, the Heartbreakers and the Attractions.

Many of Bob Seger's signature songs, including "Old Time Rock and Roll" featured Muscle Shoals studio musicians.

And then there's The Band, who achieved HoF recognition on their own, after backing Ronnie Hawkins and Bob Dylan. How many other groups took a similar path? The Eagles evolved out of short-term stint as Linda Ronstadt's band.


Entered at Tue Nov 24 18:46:56 CET 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279310816.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.187.224)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I remember as a kid seeing the late great Billy Preston blow Three Dog Night off the stage on a Dick Clark Rock’n New Years Eve show……I think he was playing with them and just couldn’t help letting loose……entirely excusable in that situation – at least that’s what I remember thinking as a 7 year old! On that subject, I sure hope Billy Preston is in the RRHOF – he deserves to be.

I doubt many here will see it due it being a profile of a metal band but trust me on this…..the documentary “Anvil” is superb. A touching story of people not giving up on a dream……It deserved the great reviews it received. Look for it in your video store. A real life Spinal Tap…..


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Etiquette of being a sideman

On backing groups and being sidemen, there was an example on last night’s Graham Norton chat show. One of his guests was singer (diva?) Dame Shirley Bassey, known to us as youths unfairly as “Burly Chassis”. Anyway, she’s still got all her marbles and her voice. She’s also made her first album of new material for twenty years, and the high point was her singing a song about her childhood in Tiger Bay in Cardiff with the studio band.

The antics of her lead guitarist were awful. He was just to her right and cavorted, spun around and accessed one of six or seven foot pedals dramatically every couple of bars (without discernible difference to the sound). You just don’t do that when employed to back a star solo singer. OK, it’s allowed in the guitar solo, but not during the verse when you’re a distracting irritation in the corner of the screen.

If I were her, he’d never play guitar in my band again!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Of the very good bands that backed superstar solo performers in the 70’s – I enjoyed Seger’s Silver Bullet Band….great memories of fun rock n roll nights – and 2 ½ hours was always fine! Some in Bruce’s audience must of felt a bit like Sting’s wife – enough already!


Entered at Tue Nov 24 16:31:27 CET 2009 from mail.lumberg.fr (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Lar's article

Lars, That was a fascinating article. Thank-you for posting it. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The woods
Web: My link

Subject: "Eighteen hundred and froze to death"

I'm not used to providing links, so bear with me if this one doesn't work.

In 1815 a volcano (in what is now Indonesia) erupted and sent an enormous amount of ash and gases into the atmoshere. It took a year for this cloud of toxic gases to reach the U.S. east coast. In 1816 we had a summer with snowfall and below freezing temps. The link describes the effects it had on one town in Maine. If the link fails, you can google "the year without a summer"+ "Milbridge Historical Society."


Entered at Tue Nov 24 15:49:27 CET 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: No minors allowed...

dlew919: As Chuck Leavell has related in interviews, Ian Stewart's aversion to minor chords came from his dislike of ballads, which he found boring. His was a boogie woogie, rocker at heart. Beginning in 1982, Mr. Leavell was recruited as a second keyboardist with the Stones to augment Mr. Stewart on tour. After "Stu" died, he assumed an even greater role with the group. Mr. Leavell was a member of the Allman Brothers Band at the time they played with The Band and the Dead at Watkins Glen, and prior to that time he had worked with Dr. John and Alex Taylor.


Entered at Tue Nov 24 13:08:55 CET 2009 from 21cust25.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.25)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Geo Engineering

I don't think the cloud seeding stories in China are conspiracy stories. The Chinese gov't has acknowledged doing it to help end a drought in the north. They did it last year as well and so much snow fell they had to use large amounts of salt to get traffic moving. The salt killed 10,000 trees.

There are two ways to deal with the C02 we're putting into the atmosphere. Reduce it or try and manage the effects. Cloud seeding is just one approach that will be necessary as the planet's climate keeps heading on the course we've set. There are all kinds of much more creative approaches that are being worked on to reflect or block sunlight from the planet.

The interesting thing about some of these light blocking techniques is that they can be done for a couple of million bucks putting it well within the reach of individuals or corporations to do on their own.

Sulfur particles spread in the upper atmosphere combined with particles from a large volcano could actually make the planet temperature drop enough to kill crops. Stay tuned as we start rolling the dice.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Floods...

There were floods in 1955 in the town I grew up, and the town Mrs Dlew grew up as well... (some 400 kms apart)


Entered at Tue Nov 24 10:37:35 CET 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The Devon villages of Lynton & Lynmouth were wrecked by a flash flood in 1952, and the story keeps cropping up that it was a cloud seeding experiment by the British government that went wrong (file under "Conspiracy theories.") The same story is being told about the recent major snowfalls in China, and I thought there was a US cloud-seeding conspiracy story too? They were looking originally (in the story) at ending droughts, but then in 1952 the military application struck them and that's what they were checking out the day before the floods. So possibly "went wrong" should be "worked as intended" and they kept the technology for later use (File with "Everlasting light bulb.")


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Neil Diamond's Christmas (!) album....

Hot on the heels of Dylan - makes me think fo the (possibly apocryphal)story of Neil D. leaving the stage and saying to Zimmy 'Follow that!', and the Bobster saying 'What? Fall asleep?'

Anyway, about 10 comments down, the Last Waltz is mentioned...


Entered at Tue Nov 24 10:11:43 CET 2009 from c-59-101-25-102.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.25.102)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: That magical E-Street - if only we could all live there... with Nelly Furtado

Bruce toured 'The Ballad of Tom Joad' album some years back. I nearly went, as the rumour was the E Street Band was permanantly disbanded... I didn't get there (of course...), but when the E STreet Band toured a few years later, I was there. It was a great, great concert: he had power problems - so the power cut out a few times : a couple of snarky journalists (from the highly discredited Sydney Morning Herald - don't EVER read their music criticisms - particualrly Bernard Zuel...hopeless) complained, but when you looked at their criticisms it was 'The power blew' (hardly the Band's fault) and 'I got a free seat, but it was up the back...'. Anyway, despite the fat the power blew, it was a truly awesome concert. To make up for the delays, Bruce did 'Rosalita Come out tonight', and a couple of others from the first albums. I deducted 1/10 of a point for not doing 'Cadillac ranch' (a personal favourite, but it still got 10.9 out of 10...

Now, Serenity, didn't Robbie discover Nelly Furtado? (Just to bring in a Band Connection)


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Posted by:

Jerry

Todd, Very good point about the E Streeter's importance to Bruce. Makes me wonder what happens when the band calls it a day as far as touring. Speculation is that may be just around the corner. I would at the very least hope that when that day comes some limited shows would somehow happen with the band. Bruce doesn't strike me as the retiring kind. Does he put togather a interchangable band that doesn't have a set identity much like a Dylan band? Would that fly with the Bruce die hards?..The day will come and it'll be interesting to see how Springsteen reinvents himself at 60 something...


Entered at Tue Nov 24 06:31:39 CET 2009 from 222.adsl.snet.net (69.182.118.222)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT - AKA Low Places

Westcoaster, glad to hear that you were only joking. After all, it don't get much lower than sea level does it? I grew up near the shore, but live in the hills these days. So I've been in low places and high places. Or maybe you were talking about that Garth Brooks song. ;-)

Sometimes the same info gets posted in more than one place because there may be people who only read one or the other, and they might be interested in what someone has to say. I used to post a lot of my thoughts about shows that I've been to, but I don't get to as many as I used to. I always enjoy reading other people's thoughts about shows that they've been to.

But you've got to be joking about not being the type to take his marbles and go home. Don't be so modest. You've left this place in a huff as much as anyone. It's always fun to come back though, isn't it?

Bruce Springsteen would most likely have made his mark in music on his own in some fashion, but a huge part of his legacy is the monumental and marathon shows with the E Street Band throughout the years. That's got to be somewhat of a factor in his induction into the Rock Hall. He's done a lot of solo work too, but he really seems to find his groove when he's feeding off the energy of the boys in the band. That period of time when he was apart from them and married to his model wife are probably not the years that he'd be remembered for the most. Almost seems like a lost period of time for him for him. Although I did like Tunnel of Love and Nebraska.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Nelly

Just noticed Nelly Furtado w/ Timberland are on Conan O'Brien. Another one of Canada's pride.

Seeya soon xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Daves' guests & music news

My "good deed for the day"...

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Dave Letterman's guests this week-[Thurs.& Fri.Repeats]

Monday, November 23-- Robin Williams (Old Dogs)-- Ashley Greene (The Twilight Saga: New Moon)

Tuesday, November 24-- Zac Efron (Me and Orson Welles)-- Carrie Fisher (Broadway's "Wishful Drinking")--Rihanna (CD, "Rated R")

Wednesday, November 25-- Natalie Portman (Brothers)-- Adam Lambert (CD, "For Your Entertainment")

Thursday, November 26-- (Original Air Date: 11/10/09)-- "Jungle" Jack Hanna-- Shakira (CD, "She Wolf")

Friday, November 27-- (Original Air Date: 11/09/09) -- Bill Murray (Fantastic Mr. Fox)-- Gabourey Sidibe (CD, "Precious")

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Out For Christmas:

"Woodstock - 40 Years On: Back to Yasgur's Farm"-- Various Artists (Rhino) --- First there was the triple album. Then came its sequel, a double album. Now the single largest collection of music from the three-day Woodstock festival has been gathered in the six-CD box set "Woodstock - 40 Years On: Back to Yasgur's Farm." Even with 77 songs, what's presented is a mere sliver of what was actually played at the concert 40 years ago. It would take 30 discs, not six, to release all of it. The box set does a lot of things right - including sequencing the music in the actual order in which it was played, to at least give a reasonable semblance of what it was like there over those three days. It also offers up more snippets of stage banter, including the entirety of farmer Max Yasgur's gracious speech to the half-million concert-goers on his property and prolonged warnings about which type of acid (not the brown. ) to take. Unfortunately, only half of the songs are previously unreleased. That means true Woodstock aficionados will have to pay, again, for much of the music they already own. But for anyone who hasn't upgraded from the vinyl of the original soundtrack, or never bothered to buy any of the music, this is the way to go. There's really no way to put out a decent box set on Woodstock without including most of the music that was on the first record, anyhow. Those songs from Jimi Hendrix, The Who, Country Joe&The Fish, Jefferson Airplane and Janis Joplin were, and are, the best the festival had to offer. Hearing them against some of the weaker previously unreleased songs only helps to make that point even more clearly.

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"Christmas In The Heart" --- Bob Dylan (Columbia) --- Do you hear what I hear? Bob Dylan singing Christmas carols?! Ho ho ho. The first reaction is this must be a joke. At age 68, rock's greatest troubadour remains a formidable force, as several fine recent albums have shown. But Dylan's also a Jew who declared himself born again at one point but never recorded a Christmas album - until now. And indeed, "Christmas In The Heart" is pretty funny, with the toll of braying "How does it feel?" for 45 years evident throughout. Dylan's vocals are wobbly, froggy, choppy, strained, strangled and off-key, making it easy to forget he might be the most influential, most imitated singer ever. Here his voice could clear a room, and it's even more jarring because he's backed by a chorus of Ray Conniff-style crooners. Still, this is Bob Dylan, and fans will love it - at least some of it. The secular tunes are best, especially a trio of obscurities. "The Christmas Blues" swings in the style of Dylan's recent albums. The bouncy, accordion-driven "Must Be Santa" includes this classic Dylanesque couplet: "Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen; Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon." And the Hawaiian tune "Christmas Island" is sung with ardour appropriate for someone from Minnesota.

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"A Cherry Cherry Christmas" -- Neil Diamond (Columbia Records) --- For anyone who's ever turned on their heart light, drank red, red wine or sang along to "Sweet Caroline," Neil Diamond's voice is like that of an old friend, so he brings a natural warmth to holiday music. On his third Christmas CD, "A Cherry Cherry Christmas," Diamond sprinkles a few original songs into a new collection of classics. He cleverly works the names of his past hits into the hopeful title track. But holiday party guests - and anyone who spent time in the 1960s, '70s or '80s - will find themselves singing along with Diamond on Christmas classics such as "Sleigh Ride" and "The Christmas Song." He gets jazzy on "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and adds '50s-style harmonies to "White Christmas." "Winter Wonderland" becomes a rock song. "Deck the Halls/We Wish You a Merry Christmas" gets a capella, Christmas-carol treatment. He even covers Adam Sandler's "The Chanukah Song" and inserts a real rock 'n' roll guitar solo into the silly ditty about famous Jews (like Diamond himself). Diamond sounds like Americana, and his holiday CD is like Christmas dinner: Warm, comforting and just what you expect.

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"Not So Silent Night"

REO Speedwagon (Sony Legacy)-- This is a solid Christmas album from the midwest rockers best known for their early '80s power ballads like "Take it On The Run" and "Keep On Lovin' You." Lead singer Kevin Cronin gives many of these holiday classics a surprisingly tender touch, from the short opener "The First Noel" to the delicately paced "Silent Night." They ramp things up on a frenetic version of "Deck The Halls," and lay down a fast-paced gospel vibe on "Children Go Where I Send Thee," which is probably the best track on the album. "Winter Wonderland" is set to a jaunty, strutting pace, and "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" offers up the trademark Speedwagon sound nearly 40 years after this band first burst out of Illinois.

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Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: High ground in the hardwoods

Subject: Even more flooding...

I guess it can't be a coincidence that 1955 was a flood year for New Paltz, as well as Poole. I remember the rains came in the middle of summer. I can still recall smoking a stogie while I helped fill the sandbags. We managed to save a house on a local farm; it was located on "the flats." By the time the water hit our sandbags it was spread out across a big cornfield. It touched the sandbags, but never breached them.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: After the Flood..

Glad to hear everythings fine in the Viney clan, if wet and miserable... though that's the UK normally! I wondered about that once in a thousand years....

David P: thanks for those facts - I'd forgotten about Ian Stewart not liking minor chords (for some reason!) Didn't know the rest of them...


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Arkansas Scotch Trivia

Going over the tracklist to Susan Boyle's new mega-selling CD, one has to wonder who picked the songs. I did notice that two songs have an Arkansas connection. The lyrics to "The End of the World", made famous by Skeeter Davis, were written by Sylvia Dee from Little Rock, Arkansas. The original Stones recording of "Wild Horses" featured Jim Dickinson on piano, who also hailed from Little Rock. Mr. Dickinson, who passed away recently, happened to be in the right place at the right time, on more than one occasion. In late 1969, he was hanging out at Muscle Shoals Sound in Sheffield, Alabama when the Rolling Stones recorded "Wild Horses". One of their regular piano players, longtime road manager Ian Stewart, was present, but chose not to play on the song because of his aversion to playing minor chords. Mr. Dickinson quickly stepped up to the plate and came up was something that the Stones liked.

Interesting enough, the Flying Burrito Brothers version of the song, with Leon Russell on piano, included on the "Burrito Deluxe" album, came out a year before the Stones own recording was released on "Sticky Fingers" in 1971. I also have a copy of the Stones' 45 single version of "Wild Horses" b/w "Sway".


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Posted by:

Pat B

Tracy, you missed some relevant posts.

Brien, well done, as usual.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Good to hear Norm!

Jim Weider: A check of his website indicates some interesting dates upcoming but nothing that I can see in Canada. I really would like to see him play again…..


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: honky tonkin

A quick bit of Band related news : last Fri evening I saw Jim Weider&Rando's almost annual reunion of the Honky Tonk Guru's. They sounded as good as ever, not only the group but Jim&Rando as well. I've mentioned a number of times on various guestbooks over the years their steady growth as musicans over the last 10 years or so since the 90's Band finally creaked to a halt. I used to travel around the northeast 2 or 3 times a year for several years to see Guru shows and to hang out with friends. They're both busy with various projects but they pull themselves together once ayear or so for a Gurus gig and I missed the last couple, so it was a special treat for me.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Joan. My niece lives in Cockermouth, which is the centre of the flooding in Cumbria, but fortunately they're safely up the hill, though local services are devastated and all the bridges are unsafe until checked and some have fallen down. Last night people were facing a 90 mile drive to neighbours half a mile away on the other side of the river. Down here in the South it's just wet and miserable. Mind you, the weather reports say it's a "once in a millenium rainfall, the highest recorded", then they say the previous highest (not far below) was in 1955, which is a curious British government definition of a "millenium."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Joan. My niece lives in Cockermouth, which is the centre of the flooding in Cumbria, but fortunately they're safely up the hill, though local services are devastated and all the bridges are unsafe until checked and some have fallen down. Last night people were facing a 90 mile drive to neighbours half a mile away on the other side of the river. Down here in the South it's just wet and miserable. Mind you, the weather reports say it's a "once in a millenium rainfall, the highest recorded", then they say the previous highest (not far below) was in 1955, which is a curious British government definition of a "millenium."


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Floods

I hope all you folks in the UK are OK. The floods are devastating. Mother Nature can be quite a bitch.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Yikes!!!! .......Calm down?????

Jeez Kevin, I was just making a joke. I don't consider anyone below or above. I just thought the whole thing was funny. I don't really have an opinion on who posts what where. I've just always thought it was odd how some people would post the exact same post twice on two sights.

Don't worry I'm not one of those, (I'm pickin' up my marbles and goin' home and never comin' back types) like some who have continually bounced back.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link is to a great interview with Roy Orbison that deals specifically with how the songs were written.....


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Interesting note about Tom Petty is that very early on in his career, he was hired to be a songwriter in the Leon Russel camp……After discovering that his name would not go on the record or even be credited in any way….he left the situation. I still remember buying the first album on word of mouth and being knocked out by American Girl…….

Norm: People disappear from a GB and you wonder where they went. Simple as that really…to find out that there is another site that discusses the Band is a great thing and no one I have ever mentioned or missed would be considered coming from a low place….quite the opposite actually…..Calm down…Hell.. I would miss you if you up and left us

Todd: Good to see your update……..

On a good day and certainly in his prime – which as a singer lasted a long time – Burton Cummings was easily top 5 best singers in this little thing we call Rock n Roll………..For the voice in a Canadian Wilburys other than Cummings, David Clayton Thomas might fit the bill. Also, as an alternative for the Petty role - 54/40’S front man Neil Osborne (a band I doubt many outside of Canada would know?)


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: 3/5 of The Best of Everything

There is a significant Band link with Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers. The 1985 "Southern Accents" album included "The Best of Everything", which featured Richard on harmony vocals & Garth on keyboards and was co-produced by Robbie. Tom Petty frequently features songs by The Band on his Buried Treasures satellite radio program on Sirius/XM.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Rambling Renfrews

Bill, that one’s fun to play with. Petty was adamant that George Harrison was the controlling force and inspiration and Jeff Lynne the brilliant studio wizard. That would put Robbie in the George role (I agree he fits either George or Jeff). You’d have to find a place for Neil Young somewhere. In 2009 that would fit easily in the Dylan role, but twenty years ago when the Wilburys were current, I can see why he’d choose Gordon Lightfoot. If you ignore the two decades, Neil Young fits better as the curmudgeonly Dylan role. Ronnie is the natural for Roy Orbison, but has nowhere near the quality of pipes, but who does? Only Raoul Malo and k.d. lang that I’ve seen, and both did Orbison covers on stage. k.d.lang could sing the part and is Clearly Canadian. But actually in the parallel, note that both George and Jeff were non-Americans. But anyway … my line-up:

Leonard Cohen replaces Roy Orbison as older statesman, Bryan Adams stays as Tom Petty, k.d. lang replaces Jeff Lynne (but sings the high notes) and has a major say on arrangements, Robbie replaces George Harrison as controlling genius and we have Neil Young on the side as Dylan.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Subject: Wilburys / Renfrews

Many years ago, when the Travelling Wilburys first came out, local music writer Peter Goddard did a piece on who might constitute a Canadian equivalent. His group, called the Ramblin' Renfrews, had Ronnie Hawkins instead of Orbison in the role of old-timer from the '50s, Bryan Adams instead of Tom Petty as the youngish heartland rocker, Burton Cummings instead of George Harrison as veteran of the national superstar group, Gordon Lightfoot instead of Bob Dylan as the '60s folkie cum rock star, and - get this - Robbie Robertson rather than Jeff Lynne as the talented control freak who keeps it all together.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Long Distance Call

Serenity: Another classic phone song is Muddy Water's "Long Distance Call".

And there's Wilson Pickett's "634-5789", written by Eddie Floyd and Steve Cropper.


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Posted by:

Steve

Fittingly, Brien, I'll have to wait for Thanksgiving in Rhode Island to watch your video on a modern form of internet connection.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Ah, the Wilburies

I had a flatmate who loved them to death... continual rotation (this guy is one of my best friends still). Anyway, it's to the stage (still - some 20 years later!) where I still can't bering myself to hear them - they are brilliant, no question. But I heard more hthan enouh of them. Great quote by Dylan. Dylan states in Chronicles that he didn't wish to return, due to the rockstar ego bs... but I always thought that Petty's quote was more apposite. Ah, wh'd know outside those involved. And both can be true.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tom Petty on Dylan (cont)

Dave, another great Tom Petty Dylan story involved playing in Australia. Dylan went up to the front and started strumming and The Heartbreakers stood there trying to work out what the song was, as it didn’t seem like any of the 140 (?) possibles they’d been told he might call. They tried to raggedly join in and got to the chorus before they realized he’d decided to do Da Doo Ron Ron without mentioning it to them.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: … wouldn't drag me away

Petty says the two years of the Traveling Wilbury's were some of the best times of his career.

This morning, as I walked into HMV I heard Susan Boyle's version of Wild Horses for the third time in the day. it was on the car radio, then in a coffee shop. The album enters the charts at #1 and "Wild Horses" is the lead track. I would have said "single" but maybe now it's "main download.". Anyway, just to show how music criticism can make you friends, I was browsing to the sound of Wild Horses, and the guy next to me said "Fu*k me! I have to get home and hear the Stones version to clean my ears out."

"Fair enough," I said, "I'd been thinking the Flying Burritos myself, but the Stones will do."

Then you have a brief chat on The Flying Burritos, Gram Parsons influence on the Stones, Ry Cooder and The Stones… see criticism is good, even if somewhat harsh on Susan Boyle.

On which, I bought the Norah Jones album. The De Luxe double CD has covers of Wilco, Johnny Cash and Dave Davies. I didn't buy it last week mainly because the sleeve design is so awful. When you have a good-looking woman like Norah Jones, why on Earth would anyone cover the CD sleeve with pictures of dogs? It's bad enough on the ordinary CD, but you get more on the 2 CD edition. I've got nothing against pictures of dogs in say "Dogs Weekly" but I don't find their presence musically inspiring.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

I may have said this before, but my favorite Bob Dylan story is recounted by Tom Petty. Petty says he was talking to Dylan about how amazing it was that the Traveling Wilburys moved quickly from being an accidental side project to a huge success for all of them, and credited George Harrison for being the catalyst for it. "Well, George is a real smart guy," Dylan says in reply. "He was in the Beatles, you know."


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: And The....

The Heartbreakers, The E Street Band; Imagine having to choose between the two - Benmont Tench vs Roy Bittan... Stevie Van Zandt or Mike Campbell...

Of course, you might see if Garth, Robbie and Levon were available.... ;) There are worse problems one could have...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Let me be the first to third it! I always look forward to seeing your name at the top of a post, and was interested both in your new book and the Clarence Clemons signings.

I got embroiled otherwise last week, and didn't post (and have now lost the article), but there was a long Tom Petty interview which brought up the same general area about a leader and sidemen. It's another R&R Hall of Fame "And the" (And the E-Street Band / And the Heartbreakers) situation, and in both cases they're bands of the highest calibre, with individuals much-sought after for sessions and productions outside the band.

Apart from that Tom Petty had some quotable bits on the current music scene. His Greatest Hits sold ten million copies, which had left him secure, and he said young musicians just didn't have the remotest prospect of any sort of stability to look forward to. There were also mouth-watering descriptions of his studios, which is like a guitar and amp museum, with the walls covered with original concert posters of The Beatles and others.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: It's ladies' night...

I second, as I so often do, Westcoaster.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Girls .......NOT allowed

I hope you're joking Tracey, and even more, I hope you don't really feel that way. Over all these years, you and Brown Eyed Angelina, and many of the other girls have many great, interesting, humourous, commpassionate and friendly things to say.

I certainly don't subscribe to that attitude, and I'm sure many others don't. Your posting concerning the book signing you attended was very interesting to many of us. I'm sorry if you thought otherwise. Most importantly, good luck with your new book.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Thanks Charlie for the addition about the Ringo All-Stars tour part of Clarence's book. Maybe you won't get torn apart on this guestbook. Perhaps it's because this is the "boys club" or you have to specify the right thing. Girls not allowed!


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Subject: Thanks, Brien Sz!

Thanks for the great slide show. We wish we had the opportunity to meet both Rick & Richard.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Electric Dirt Review/Thunder on The Mountain (by God)

Thanks BEG for what turned out to be a very good review, though I almost didn't get beyond the second sentence when I gagged on "most unique". Here's some more God Dylan for everbody. If The Band is anywhere in the video portion, I'm not seeing them. Just Larry Campbell about 1:30. This tune has a very cool groove, cooler than Dylan's thing for Alicia Keyes, whatever that's all about. NB


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Electric Dirt ****


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson reccommends... ........

Many thanks Brien! I loved the tribute to Rick and Richard.

Peter...Thanks for everything you've contributed to this site. :-D


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Posted by:

tedd

Location: ireland

Subject: special stuff

any more tours of members touring


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: John F. Kennedy

LINK: A tribute to this great man. May he RIP.If only...

NORM: Hope everything is OK where you are. Hope the rain stops, as well in the UK. If only Australia would have some of it to douse those fires.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Clarence on Levon

In his new book,"Big Man," Clarence Clemons includes a nice quote about Levon. One chapter covers the Ringo Starr All Starr Band tour which included Mr. Clemons along with Rick, Levon, Dr. John and others. Of Levon, Clarence Clemons says: "I love Levon. His voice is such a pure American thing. Levon is the most genuine person I've ever met."


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Friends in Low Places!

I see Kevin J admits to having friends in low places...ahaw.

Well.......the story is, Friday night I was thundering down the freeway in the Fraser Valley, trying to scan myself onto a station with some desent music. I hit on one, and "The Weight" is playing. I expect Terrence Simien may have been metioned here at some time, and some here at least know who he is. I didn't.

This Zydeco kind of music, I haven't listened to a lot, but I liked his version of the song. After that he sang that old (500 miles). I guess my impression of this is, reggea drums, a really Cajun accordion, and a jazz guitar. Pretty upbeat and a good sound. This music had been recorded at a jazz & blues festival in Fredricton NB. I searched him on Youtube trying to find "The Weight" again. He has several vids on there but the sound is pretty poor on a lot.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Thanks for the kind words everyone - I'm glad folks are enjoying it.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: BRIEN Z

Thanx, Brien. The tribute was beautiful. Made tears come to my eyes. Very well put together. Watched it a few times, and now have it in my Faves so I can watch it any time I wish, will be often.

Cya soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Tribute

Nicely done, Brien.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic countries

Subject: How to pronounce Brien's family name correctly?

You are making fun of my poor English in this gb. That is what cowards and bullies use to do. Well, I can live with it because it is INTERNET English...

But how about to pronounce Brien's family name correctly?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Brien

Thank you Brien. A really great tribute. Well done!


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Brien's nature photos

Don't forget Brien's nature photos!!! They have inspired me and especially my wife - with MINOLTA camera of course :-)

Footnote: Minoltas are laughed at by professionals but they are very resistant against bad weather conditions in nature photographing. - If webmaster thinks this is spamming so go ahead and delete. It does not matter, they don't make these cameras anymore...


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Brien's Tribute

Thanks for that Brien. Lot's of great photos in the clip. Many of which I hadn't seen before. Well done.
Even though I know how the story ends, it was still sobering to see the last frame of the slide-show. To see them both together like that was powerful. The fact that they both have modest & humble markers is somehow fitting with the type of men they were and the style of music they played.

I've been really busy working over the last few weeks and have gotten behind on the GB. Seems like a lot of rancor recently, but I'm glad that things have seemed to settled down. Maybe we can get back to respecting the gentleman's agreement agreed on a few years ago that both places can co-exist peacefully.

Kevin J. I haven't been hanging out much of anywhere lately, but I do post in both places and have friends in both places.....even though I don't live in upstate NY....or Norway ;-)


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Posted by:

Deb

As Mavis Staples would say, "Beautiful!" Thanks, Brien.


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Posted by:

Lil

Beautifully done Brien! Thanks for posting the link.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Brien's slide show

Superbly done tribute. It seems to fit the music all the way through too. I don't sign up to YouTube to post ratings, but if I did it'd be 5 stars. There should be a permanent link to it on the site.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: 45 cases

Record carrying cases have suddenly started acquiring value, and secondhand vinyl stores pick up lots of them. The price around Dorset is about £5.99, but in London collector shops they put them up at £30. For a secondhand store, a genuine 60s case is a great sign … records were protected from dust, and the sleeves aren’t marked up from the wire “Selecta” racks popular at the time. A friend donated me his 45 collection with a Selecta rack last month. The rack has numbers and you got a sheet of stick-on numbers to apply to your records which explains those white squares with “17” or “22” found on so many old 45s. I had an excellent 45 day yesterday too. Les Paul & Mary Ford’s 1955 EP Sitting on Top of The world, Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group 1957 EP “Nancy & Chas” (which has Freight train on it) and Sounds Incorporated having a bash at both Spanish Harlem and Rinky Dink on a 1964 single.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Subject: Tribute to Richard and Rick

I put together a slide show montage as a tribute to Richard and Rick. I was thinking about how its been nearly 10 years since Rick left us and how much longer since Richard passed. So I borrowed some pics from this site and put together a tribute to the both of them. Hope you enjoy it.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Found more phone songs.

8675-309(Jenny)-Tommy Tutone

Answering Machine-The Replacement

Hanging On The Telephone-Blondie

New York Telephone Conversation-Lou Reed

The Phone Call-The Pretenders

So.Central Rain-R.E.M.

Switchboard-Chris tie Allen

Switchboard Susan-Nick Lowe

5705-City Boy

Telephone Booth-Ian Moss

Dick’taphone-Kevin Bloody Wilson

Balwyn Calling-Skyhooks

the beatles- you know my name(look up my number)

you know my name (look up the number) – The Beatles

Mother, by The Police

‘Well, the telephone is ringing Is that my mother on the phone? The telephone is ringing Is that my mother on the phone? The telephone is screaming Won’t she leave me alone The telephone is ringing Is that my mother on the phone?’

Don’t Lose My Number – Phil Collins

Nobody Home – Pink Floyd

Check My Machine – Paul McCartney

No Phone – Cake

Ring Ring – ABBA

Cya soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Phone songs

This sounds like fun. Makes you think a lttle.

In honor of Alexander Graham Bell’s suddenly tuneful invention, we’re dedicating this weekend’s Rock List to all things telephone. check out our favorites below:

• Electric Light Orchestra – “Telephone Line”

• Blondie – “Hanging on the Telephone”

• Tommy Tutone – “867-5309 (Jenny)

• Steely Dan – “Rikki Don’t Lose That Number”

• The Replacements – “Answering Machine”

I was thinking of Glenn Millers'"Pennsylvania 6-5000"

Cya soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Petulia

In our trawl through movies of the past we rented Petulia. Yeah, looks great. Directed by Richard Lester. Starring Julie Christie, George C. Scott and Richard Chamberlain at the peak of their powers. Cameos from the Grateful Dead and Big Brother, all done in 1968.

It adds up to one of the most boring, worst movies ever made, proving once and for all that you can have the director the cinematographer. the best actors and the result is nil without a good story and a good script.

Music is exactly the same.


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Posted by:

David P

Bill M: General Johnson is a name I haven't seen in a while. He also penned the soul classic "Only Love Can Mend A Broken Heart".

I've been listening to a lot of old 45s lately. Not long ago a friend of mine bequeathed his collection of singles to me, housed in one of those old carrying cases and bearing a Grateful Dead skull & roses decal. Among the gems was Three Dog Night's fine cover of "Chest Fever", the flip side of their hit version of Nilsson's "One", on the Dunhill label. Also included was Robert Knight's original hit version of "Everlasting Love", from the late '60s, written by Buzz Cason & Mac Gayden, on the Rising Son label. That song has been a gift "that keeps on giving" for the songwriters, as it's been covered numerous times and I believe various versions have charted in the U.K. in each of the last four decades. In addition, U2's cover version has been used in the soundtrack for two films. Mr. Gayden's own great version features his trademark wah wah / slide guitar, which he first featured on J.J. Cale's "Crazy Mama".


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Posted by:

Bill M

To add to Sadavid's post, boomers with copies of the Sarge Pepper gatefold will find the OPP crest on a Beatle shoulder - is it McCartney's? I don't think the crest has changed since then, though the RCMP is looking to replace the horse on its logo with a taser and a lightning bolt.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: how are things, in Caledonia

Because of the Caledonia / Six Nations connection, I thought perhaps others might be interested in this article - about the 3rd or 4th, I think, in a series this week.

"OPP," by the way, is the acronymized version of "Ontario Provincial Police." In these parts, we used to think of them as Canuckistan's very own stormtroopers - until the RCMP's recent penchant for summary justice provided a challenger to the title . . . .


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Guy Mitchell [RIP]

LINK: Birthday Boy..

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: ByeGoneDays...

Hope some of you like my "ByeGoneDays" I know I enjoy reading them from my inbox 5 days a week.

FRIDAY November 20th

Bo Diddley sings "Bo Diddley" on Ed Sullivan's CBS-TV show, after agreeing to sing "Sixteen Tons" (sparking Ed's ire), 1955

Bob Dylan begins recording his first, self-titled, album, 1961

A 19 year-old audience member fills-in at a San Francisco Who concert when drummer Keith Moon collapses, 1973

Norman Greenbaum ("Spirit In The Sky") is 67

SATURDAY November 21st

Elvis Presley's "Love Me Tender" movie is released nationwide in 1956 while his "Girls! Girls! Girls!" film opens in 1962

John Lennon is by her side as Yoko Ono suffers a miscarriage, 1968

Police arrest Don Henley after discovering drugs and a nude, overdosed 16 year-old girl at his home, 1980

Joni Mitchell marries her bass player, 1982

Daryl Hall & John Oates will provide the voices of reason and temptation in recurring roles on Fox-TV's "Cleveland Show," beginning Sunday (November 22). "We're an angel and a devil on the shoulder of Cleveland giving him good and bad advice," said John.

Rod Stewart was sued for $3.3 million Tuesday (November 17) in Los Angeles by the lawyers who unsuccessfully represented him when he cancelled a Las Vegas hotel concert in December of 2000 (as well as two other lawsuits). Rod was ordered to pay $2 million in the hotel case.

Elton John was forced to cancel yet another concert Saturday (November 14) after doctors told him it was too soon to return to performing from his recent hospitalization. Elton was released from a London hospital November 5 after a six-day stay for a severe case of the flu and E.coli infection. The illness had forced him to cancel the remaining five dates dates of his tour in England and Ireland and the first three dates of his U.S. tour with Billy Joel. Elton will appear at his AIDS Foundation fundraiser Monday in New York.

Published report indicate that the Who have been chosen to play the halftime show at Superbowl XLIV in Miami February 7. Joining Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend will be Scott Devours on drums, guitarists Simon Townsend (Pete's brother) and Frank Simes, keyboardist Loren Gold and bassist Jon Button.

Friday, November 20th

1929- The first broadcast of The Rise of the Goldbergs, with Gertrude Berg as Molly, was heard on the NBC Blue radio network. Later, the title would be shortened to The Goldbergs. Mrs. Berg, incidentally, wrote the first scripts for the 15-minute program and starred in the show -- for $75 a week. The program continued until 1945 (it returned for one season in 1949-1950). Gertrude Berg brought The Goldbergs to TV in 1949, entertaining audiences with New York style, motherly phrases like, “Button up your neck. It’s cold outside.”

1931-The first commercial teletype service was introduced by American Telephone and Telegraph Company.

1947- The first network presentation of Meet the Press aired on NBC-TV (consisting of two stations). The panel interview program became the longest-running series on network television. And it keeps on running and running and...

1947- A royal wedding this day, as Princess Elizabeth (who would be Queen in four years) and Lt. Philip Mountbatten were married.

1959- One of America’s great rock jocks was fired from WABC radio in New York. The ‘Moondoggy’ himself, Alan Freed, was axed in the midst of the payola music scandal.

1966- Cabaret opened on Broadway for the first of 1,165 stellar performances. Joel Gray starred in the hugely successful musical that is an adaptation of both the play, I Am a Camera, and the novel, Goodbye to Berlin.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


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Posted by:

Tracy

Web: My link

Subject: Christine Ohlman "The Deep End"

Christine wanted me to pass along the information that her latest CD "The Deep End" is now available. Levon appears on two of the tracks. Additional guests include Ian Hunter (Mott The Hoople), Dion DiMucci, Marshall Crenshaw, G.E. Smith, Andy York, Mark Rivera. It will not disappoint. There are some beautiful lyrics, which people don't realize her greatness as a songwriter besides being the gal who sings in between commercial breaks on SNL.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: http://www.electrofi.com/

David P: I have a promo copy (Liberty?, mid 60s?) of Willie Nelson dong that same "River Boy" song. It's a good record It wasn't exactly in a dusty box beneath a power saw and a torn hammock, but it was a junky store and it was in a batch of neat 45s, the very best being "It Will Stand" by the Showmen - i.e., the brilliant song that gave Greil Marcus the title for his very first book and that launched the career of General Johnson, writer of Patches and writer of all and lead singer of most Chairmen of the Board hits.

By the way, one hit that he didn't sing, "I'm The Chairman Of The Board", was sung by another Hamiltonian, Harrison Kennedy, who is now launched on a fairly successful solo blues-ish career - see link. He came to mind earlier today when I was listening to BARK's BARK album (which really is worth buying) and Colin Linden's paean to Harrison's cousin, the late great Jackie Washington, whose first album in the '70s was engineered by Daniel Lanois.


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Maybe this link works better for Canucks?


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: The Costello Report

Video link to Stephen Colbert & Elvis Costello doing 'Cheap Rewards'. Who knew?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve, is that really you? Anyway, I don't know, but since Graham Greene's from the Six Nations Reserve near Hamilton (where Crowbar lived) it makes sense. I read him say once that he's Onendaga, not Mohawk like Robbie's mother. Nevertheless, I did see them onstage together once, when Robbie performed at the Aboriginal Arts Awards that Greene cohosted with Tom Jackson. Buffy Ste Marie won a lifetime achievement award that evening; the funniest part of the whole show was when the cohosts had to pick her up and place her on the podium (up where she belonged?) because her dress was so very tight that she couldn't bend her knee to step up!


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, what was Graham Greene's association with Crowbar? I just heard a small piece of an interview with Graham on Q this morning and it sounded like he was touring with them or something I only heard about 30 seconds so didn't get any more than that.


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Posted by:

Bill M (the rill bill)

Web: My link

In the words of Basil Fawlty, all this name-hopping is very very post-modern, very socialist. But at the core of it is a heart-warming affection between NB and Steve. (I still laugh at Steve post a couple of weeks ago about NB's perfect little feet.)


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Dictionary back home

Subject: Sorry, bullshit again (?)

Mr. Pagrotsky was Minister of Foreign Trade.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Thanks Empty Now for your response/Peter V

Thanks for your response. - Like I posted before I studied Christian theology at Helsinki University in early seventies. For one year only, but what a year it was. Being serious humanistic and social _UNIVERSITY_ studies it was a kick to stomach for a believer. We had to face existentialism, communism, islam, hinduism, buddhism, ba'hai and any ideology which tried to win souls back then. You are absolutely right. I have not recovered in fourty years!

As always, Peter V is defending humanistic and international view of The Band in gb. Beside this he is one of the two persons who has understood "Self Portrait" and showed it publicly. The other one is my famous politician Mr. Leif Pagrotsky, former Secretary of Foreign Affaires in Sweden. A Jew and a socialdemocrat.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: A&M

A&M Records also introduced some pioneers in country rock -- Dillard & Clark and The Flying Burrito Brothers. Waylon Jennings also recorded for A&M before his successful years at RCA. One of his first singles was a fine cover of Ian Tyson's "Four Strong Winds". Bobby Bare took notice and recorded his own version for RCA and also helped talk Chet Atkins into signing Waylon. After leaving A&M for RCA, several years later the sides he cut for A&M were released as an album "Don't Think Twice". In addition to the Dylan title song and "Four Strong Winds", the album also included a song written by former Hawk, Fred Carter Jr., entitled "River Boy".


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Posted by:

Steve

Carmen, thanks, I didn't realize the Ruskies were involved in WW2. Who would have guessed? I've never come across any mention of them til your post so when Klink and Schultz would shiver every time they mentioned the Russian Front I never got the significance. Thanks, it's never too late to be set right.

Lars, I have seen some WW1 film but I don't remember that particular scene. In Margaret MacMillan's , Paris 1919, the only WW1 book I've read, she does spend a bit of time talking about the relations between the various countries' armies at the end of the war but nothing as specific as that.

NB, try and stay focused your identity is moving westward you should be back together soon. I think Sadavid is between you and your last posting position. Give it a shot.


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Posted by:

Carmen

Subject: Steve's Post

Steve, the Germans walked because they knew they we beat. They figured they would rather surender to the US or England because the Russians would have killed them. They did not walk because they all of a sudden realized WAR is a bad thing and their leaders were monsters. If they were winning they would have continued on.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Deep Southern Ulster County

Subject: Pelham to Stuart

Yessir.

How do you feel about Douglass Southall Freeman? Can he be trusted?


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Posted by:

Pat B

Lars, just guessing. I trust you got my reply last night. I enjoy epics.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: There's always one

Pat- I dunno. That guy usually is anti-British. Who's got it in for Steve? Some ex-goalie Steve scored on in college?

Steve- since we're hitting a speed bump on the way to peace, did you ever see the aftermath of the ww1 armistice, when the Germans and the allies were filmed swapping hats and tobacco? It's some interesting footage. I so it a while ago, no link.


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Posted by:

Pat B

A surge of interesting names.


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Posted by:

Master Murdock

Subject: Steve

Course Steve be Bumble's bitch. He be laying low.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: The Jim Byrnes Promotional Dept.
Web: My link

Subject: God Dylan: I've Got Blood In My Eyes For You

While not on a par with the Jim Byrnes version on his Fresh Horses Cd, I think some of you might like this supposedly hard-to-find video. (Hell, I just went to Youtube and there it was !) Of course The Mississippi Sheiks would have enjoyed either version of the song, (albeit not equally). NB


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Posted by:

Bill M.

Location: Trawna

Subject: Steve

Thanks Steve but no need to clarify that for me. The second I read it I was laughing uncontrollably, so I immediately realized it couldn't have been anything you had written. Thanks anyway. BM


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Posted by:

Really Steve, Really

Subject: Steve Is On His Mind

Bill, that post to you from "Me" was obviously from the Gb's only self-admitted brain donor who sometimes, understandably, has identity issues. If you don't mention it I won't and I'm sure by now it's completely slipped what little is left of his mind.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: NB /Kinks

Thanks I had to miss it last night. Interesting concept.


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Posted by:

Peter V

A&M was an "artist" label (like Apple) but just way more successful in broader terms AFTER Herb Alpert's run of hit LPs in the 60s. In the UK, they also distributed Lou Adler's Ode label for the key years (before it went solo) which meant the huge Carole King albums were on A&M. Also Phil Spector International was on A&M here. Rock histories fail to recognize its importance … Supertramp, Squeeze, The Police, The Neville Brothers, Carole King (UK), J.J. Cale (UK), Joe Jackson, Andy Fairweather-Lowe, um, The Carpenters, Rita Coolidge, Bryan Adams … it did produce significant stuff over a number of years. More imortantly, many of its artists seemed to like the label, which is not true of most!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: A&M

Peter V: A&M was a terribly important label in Canada too, once it set up shop in the early '70s. (Before that its records were distributed by Quality.) I guess because of its ties to Island and other Britsih labels it seemed to have something of a lock on prog-ish rock of the sort that did far better north than south of the border - Strawbs, Babe Ruth, Fortheringay, Fairport, the Bunch, Procol Harum. Also signed some interesting Canuck artists like Valdy, Chilliwack (notably their brilliant double album with "Lonesome Mary", reissued on CD last year by Pacemaker), Cano. Had Split Enz too for the antipodean crowd. I think their first 45 was "Song Of Joy" by Miguel Rios, the release of which was a huge promo deal through the local newspaper. I won a copy of the 45, but missed the big prize, which was 14 new A&M albums. "Home" by Procol H was one and there was a Burritos, but the rest I can't recall. I do remember the question though: How many people played or sang on "Song Of Joy"; I said 54 but it was really a couple more.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: A&M

Shelter was originally distributed by A&M in the UK, then moved to Island and eventually ended up with their own label in 1976. Shelter had probably the worst logo of any record label … a scribbled S with a circle around it. They were known for employing noted astrologer Liz Greene to do horoscopes of all potential signings.

A&M is an underrated label. When Chris Blackwell was interviewed on TV, the interviewer said there was no doubt that Island was "the greatest independent label." Blackwell said he wasn't sure, because A&M was definitely a contender.

I'd vote for Island, but A&M wasn't far behind, especially in the UK where you can add in license deals.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Bill M.

That's an easy one Bill - "self-important". You see NB has a hearing impediment and this all dates back to a while ago when his doctor told him he's IMPOTENT. So ever since then you'll notice he's been sounding all self-impotent. Probably dressing all self-impotent too, I imagine. SH.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Thanks Northern Boy……great ……and I had missed it even with the Serenity advance notice of earlier in the week……


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Posted by:

Les Endby

Steve: Um, would you call that self-indulgent or self-important?


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Ray Davies on Letterman Last Night

In case you missed it, The Kinks Choral Collection. Thanks dlew (and to you too, Moore Endby). NB


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Posted by:

Bill M

A coupla weeks ago I posted about a newish British Ace CD, "You Heard Them Here First: Rock's Icons Before They Were Famous", which includes one by Levon and the Hawks, one by the Rising Sons (Taj and Ry), one by the Mynah Birds ... And one by J.J. Cale, "Outside Looking In", released by Liberty in 1966. (I can provide the serial number and time too, if required.) Also, ex-Hawk Sandy Konikoff once told me that he'd recorded with both Cales, John and JJ.


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Posted by:

David P

Thanks for the correction Peter. J.J. Cale began recording for Shelter Records, which over the years had various distribution deals in the U.S. with major labels such as Capitol & MCA. I wasn't aware that A&M handled the releases in the U.K. Of course, Denny Cordell, who co-founded Shelter with Leon Russell, had produced many successful British acts, including Procol Harum and Joe Cocker, who both released albums on A&M here in the States. The differing distribution deals regarding releases throughout the world continue to make record collecting interesting, as well as determining what CD reissues are available in different countries.


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Posted by:

Deb

Steve, I don't think for a minute that you'd wait that long to be acknowledged. But here's a hall pass.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Deb

Yes, Miss. Ah, Miss, I've had my hand up for almost 2 hours and if you don't acknowledge it soon I'm going to pee in my pants.

David, I'll see your example and match it with a different way to end a war.

I just finished reading, Stephen Ambrose's, Band Of Brothers. It's necessary reading if one of your favorite people in the world , your father in law in this case, was part of the 101st.

In this case you have armed German soldiers by the hundreds of thousands just walking away from war and their leaders towards advancing enemy troops basically saying, it's over there's been enough killing, long before anything was signed.

I'm aware there were hold out groups and the Ruskies were coming but the rank and file decided in this case enough was enough. Game over, lets go for a beer.

One thing that surprised me was the general attitude among advancing American soldiers that they seemed to have the most in common with the Germans of all the people's they'd encountered on their way to The Father Land. I believe the Dutch had held that position til they reached Germany.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 19:53:39 CET 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: J.J. Cale

David, in the UK both “Really” and “Naturally” were on A&M. I not only got “Naturally” the day it came out but persuaded the guy in the store to part with the “Naturally” promo–to-stores T-shirt with a huge logo. I fear it became a floor cloth in its turn, but when it was new the logo was silvery on a pale mauve background. Silvery was unusual for those days, and it must have cost A&M a fortune. Their logo was on the back. They didn't sell many records.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 19:43:10 CET 2009 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Deb/Lori/Lars\nEmpty

Deb and Lori" All I can add to both of your posts is Amen. Very well stated by both of you.

Lars, I'm with you on that. I would be amazing,but I don't think it would ever happen.If all the travails they have been through didn't do it, then I think nothing will.

Empty: Funny and to the point even if it is a little "gross"


Entered at Thu Nov 19 19:32:25 CET 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Stoneman's Cavalry

Steve: History is replete with instances where fighting continued after peace terms had been reached, not only due to delays in delivering the news to all the forces involved, but also attributive to the level of vindictiveness resulting from a prolonged bloody conflict. During the Civil War, General Stoneman's raids into northwestern North Carolina continued several weeks after Lee had surrendered to Grant and Johnston had reached terms with Sherman.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 18:28:53 CET 2009 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: The Band

DEB- Maybe the war HAS ended. Nary a shot since the 11:00 AM armistice.

BILL M.- You were asking about what GBers dream about. Speaking for myself, I can't picture Robbie and Levon ever performing together again. But wouldn't it be something if the two of them appeared on stage together and they shook hands?....even if it only meant that they were going to live out the rest of their lives without hard feelings? That handshake would be a sight for sore eyes. None of us lives forever. It would be good to see them come to terms with their issues, before it's too late.

If they ever played together with Garth and some others, that would be even sweeter.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 18:26:58 CET 2009 from 21cust244.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.244)

Posted by:

Steve

Lars, I understand that and that was basically what I posted. It just seems to be another ridiculous aspect of war. I'd be OK with it if the generals in question said, " OK boys we've sent millions of you to slaughtered for basically nothing for the last 4 years, we'll do the fighting for the next 6 hours while you start packing your bags".

Kevin, this might be a little premature but are you able to send me the coordinates of that gated community, yet? I'm an understanding guy and if you have to deny everything I'll understand. I suggest paraphrasing Arkansas' top, political, good old boy, when it comes to a denial; "I have never had email relations with that boy." Like I said, hope this isn't premature revelation.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 18:12:41 CET 2009 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Let me get this straight. It's not okay to have a negative opinion about the content of an article or an album, but it's fine to continually make negative and disparaging remarks about individuals? It's quite clear that there are people, some who only post on this site, some who only post on the other, and some who post on both, who dislike something about some of their fellow posters. Not many people like every last person they encounter. This hasn't changed for years and I don't see it changing any time soon. In the words of mothers and kindergarten teachers all over the world, I don't care who started it, it needs to end. I know we'll continue to have disagreements. That's human and most of the the time it's healthy. Can't we simply accept each other's right be here --those who want to be -- even if we disagree, leave it, and move on?


Entered at Thu Nov 19 17:01:28 CET 2009 from lhadm029.mc.yu.edu (129.98.218.29)

Posted by:

lori

Subject: Peter

Peter seems like a smart guy who has alot of interesting things to say.Sadly,he seems to be quite a nasty & arrogant fellow.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 16:59:09 CET 2009 from lhadm029.mc.yu.edu (129.98.218.29)

Posted by:

lori

Subject: GB

As a long time GB admirer,I'd hate to see the GB close over things irrelevant to music & the Band.While I love the musical discussions here & very much enjoy Peter V's views on music(despite his somewhat blown up sense of his own intellectual abilities)overall,a silly feud is not worth losing this GB & all the wonderful information regarding The Band & music in general.Peter has great observations & it would be more pleasant if he would simply curb some of his deep rooted arrogance & subtle attempts to be nasty.Underneath,i have to believe,that given his knowlege,he can't quite be the character he is here in real life.So,i hope he sticks to the music & leaves his coy insults elsewhere so we can continue to enjoy reading the GB while enjoying Peter's musical observations & analysis.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 16:52:44 CET 2009 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: WWI

Steve- I think that, although the armistice was signed at 5:00 am on the morning of Nov 11, 1918, in wasn't to go into EFFECT until 11/11/1100 (hrs), or Nov 11th at 11:00 AM. From what I've read about it, some of the Allied generals wanted to "punish" the Germans right up until the hour of armistice. I don't doubt that a lot of casualties were suffered up until 11:00 AM, but eyewitness accounts have stated that everything went quiet at 11:00 AM. of Nov 11, 1918, at least in Belgium.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 15:37:22 CET 2009 from 21cust218.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.218)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Just A Follow Up

Not a follow up on the current feud but the story about the last soldier killed in WW1. The armistice was signed at 5am on Nov11, but in some sort of fucked up rules of war even though the leaders on both sides( not the poor bastards on the front line) had agreed the war was over they allow people to be needlessly killed for a predetermined length of time.

In the 6 hours after the armistice was signed and the official end of the shooting over 11,000 soldiers were killed.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 15:24:40 CET 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Dream on Peter. The fact is that this isn't Little Pink and you are not the moderator here. And another fact that you overlooked is that I posted information about J.J. Cale's "Naturally" album yesterday, not the follow-up "Really". As I have all of his early records, I know for a fact that he wasn't on A&M. Why don't you cut your losses and move on, instead of continuing with your personal diatribes.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 14:12:03 CET 2009 from cpe-204-210-130-44.hvc.res.rr.com (204.210.130.44)

Posted by:

Hi

Russ, It ain't bad....it's been in circulation and on the net in a lossless, non mp3, version for years. Now I'm going to go get some hugs with like minded non articulate people.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 14:04:31 CET 2009 from (41.97.185.60)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: chatting in the shit; or Nasredin wisdom

One day the village the curious onlookers crossed Nasredin comfortably installed in the public toilet of the Medina. Certainly they knew him very special, but the way they saw him this morning delighting in the middle of the shit of the smells of of the pissotières, some swore that his case seriously deteriorated. Carefully one asked out to him on the real reasons of the choice of the stay in this not suited at all location. It’s him who sent back the question, even more surprised than them. “What ! You do not know? Know what? “Go see near the Sultan palace, today as every year this day, the Sultan distribute gracefully hamburgers to the plebs, the curious onlookers, the simple citizens and the patricians of the medina, in commemoration of his access to the throne,” Understanding fewer and fewer, the onlookers asked “where is the link?” “The link, clarified Nass, there is a rule which always repeated with an extraordinary regularity, as soon as having gulped down the Sultanic hamburger, all the plebs straightaway gather all together toward this place at the same time. Passed the urgent need which bring them, the gregarious instinct will naturaly retain them here to chatter a good moment about everything they like, hamburgers as rock bands…. The fact is, I became used in similar days to bypass the palace and come directly here, specially to save myself the best place for the matinee….


Entered at Thu Nov 19 14:02:14 CET 2009 from host671420037130.direcway.com (67.142.130.37)

Posted by:

Lil

"Groom recruits"? Are you serious Peter? That has to be one of the stupidest things you ever said. The more I read from you, the more I realize you must be a few fries short of a happy meal.

This whole thing, and I'm going to talk slow for you so you get it - has a very easy fix. You stop making arrogant little unwarranted digs - and I'll stop replying to them. You've been doing this on a pretty constant basis, and simply put: I'm tired of it. It's really your call. Maybe all of those who are bored shitless with this will finally start telling you to stop posting thinly veiled attacks at me and at BFB.. and the problem here will be solved. And btw.. your use of the word "reasonable" has nothing to do with this and you know it. You made a direct insinuation about the posters on 'the other site' using words that David posted - and twisting them to fit your usual agenda. And as long as that usual agenda continues, I'll be here to reply. The ball's in your court.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 12:52:30 CET 2009 from cpe-69-206-69-239.hvc.res.rr.com (69.206.69.239)

Posted by:

Russ

Web: My link

Subject: The 1971 Hempsted rehearsals

This looks interesting, may it sound even better? - Peace, Russ


Entered at Thu Nov 19 09:44:54 CET 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I neglected to say that the return of BWNWITenn, Donald Joseph, Matt K and Crabgrass would give me the same pleasure as the return of Bumbles. The common factor you’ll find is they were articulate, spoke about music a lot of the time, were knowledgeable and also all had a sense of humour. You’ll notice if you’ve been around long enough that we didn’t form a cuddly “hugs club”, weren’t like-minded on The Band necessarily and often argued with some heat on discussions. But all of us knew a joke when we saw it. During the Little Pink era, Bumbles got deleted a few times by me when the sarcasm went way over the top. He understood why each time, and didn’t crawl away and come back at frequent intervals suggesting the lot be closed down like Jeff does. Jeff’s between a rock and a hard place though, because as far as I understand, and I may be wrong, they haven’t invited him on the other GB. So they’re not entirely daft.

Certain people still see me as the “enemy” because of a few deletions on Little Pink. I deleted way less than 10% of what people asked me to, because we tried to let it flow. On the other hand in the few weeks the original GB had multiple moderators towards the end, the only one who ever wanted to delete people was Lil. One reason a half-dozen people appear to loathe me is my refusal to “ban” Bumbles and others. We only banned Jeff for a couple of days. We could have re-banned him with ease, but we let it ride. Another reason appears to be “being British” which you’re allowed to say, but not if you substituted, say, “black” or “Hispanic.”

The present furore, for which I apologize to those it’s boring shitless, started out with what was a joke to anyone with any sense of irony. I said “We’re all reasonable here.” That’s manifestly untrue, and most people saw it that way. But others saw it as an attack on “them” “over there” as “unreasonable.” It wasn’t, but subsequent events indicated that it had some basis. I tried to let it go and discuss Los Lobos, twice. Lil, who only ever posts here when she’s attacking, or “grooming” a potential recruit, won’t let it go.

I think Bud will find that with his British sense of irony and self-deprecation Elton John often refers to himself as an “old Queen” and he’s been called the “Queen Mother” too. I don’t recall saying it, but if you say I said it, I don’t deny it. I was watching Elton (as Reg) perform live in 1966, and very good he was too. Context is important. Did I call Rick a junky? Levon certainly tells us that three of them were his book and admits to being the same himself in the early 70s, and it was the judgment of a court of law in Japan. I’ve often said Rick was my favourite singer in the Band. If the word was ever used by me, then I hope it would have been in the context of overcoming addictions to sing like a bird. If anyone would like further background details on this pitiful issue, I won’t bore on here. But my e-mail address is on every article.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 06:49:22 CET 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Okay Okay.

A fan forum can exist anywhere. A fan forum of the nature of what this GB long turned into, should not be tied to a wonderful website that is the internet home of the artist.

Personally I think Jan should turn this GB loose, shut it down. If he wanted to replace it with some other time of GB, there might be some other forum that would work.

If someone wanted to reopen this GB under another name, I don't think Jan should link to it.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 06:15:49 CET 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Greil Marcus has begun a series of guest lectures at Columbia University. Last night, or tonight, is the second lecture in the series. Lecture Number Two has something to do with "Lipstick Traces."


Entered at Thu Nov 19 03:31:58 CET 2009 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joey j

Web: My link

Subject: If It Sounds Country Man, It's A Country Song

Link to Skeeter Davis & Bobby Bare doing an old Buck Owens tune. Chill.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 02:54:55 CET 2009 from . (76.73.1.50)

Posted by:

Bud

Subject: Plus ca ...

Same Whiney that called Sir Elton John "an old queen" and Ricky a "junky". The 'new order' clearly is IN ORDER. Whiney = dickhead. Bumbles = dickhead. 'Nuff said.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 02:49:16 CET 2009 from sannin29154.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.154)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Lars is THE Man!

Flapjacks...mmm....good. For mine: just be sure to put the correct postage and send them airmail.

: )


Entered at Thu Nov 19 02:19:33 CET 2009 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The peaceful woods of NY

Subject: Having a word with the huddled masses

(Noticing the torches and the various hangman nooses)

Say...who else could go for some flapjacks right about now?

(Too late--here they come!!!)


Entered at Thu Nov 19 02:14:23 CET 2009 from c-59-101-54-190.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.54.190)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks Lil

:)


Entered at Thu Nov 19 02:05:22 CET 2009 from host72171001420.direcway.com (72.171.0.142)

Posted by:

Lil

dlew: You'll always be welcome any time you'd like to come by.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 02:05:20 CET 2009 from c-59-101-54-190.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.54.190)

Posted by:

dlew919

Bill: having come in from a day's swimming in my Scrooge McDuck money vault out the bakc, sacking a few servants for transgressions of the unwritten law, and closing a few viable companies because I can, I retire to my bed to dream of what?

The one thing I think we all dream of: Garth, Robbie and Levon on the same stage, pumping out the old hits, and the new ones too! /n Oh, and for Philip K Dick fans, I also dream of Electric sheep... now I have to track down a bloke named Roy Batty for some reason...


Entered at Thu Nov 19 01:38:44 CET 2009 from c-59-101-54-190.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.54.190)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: With great trepidation, I enter the fray...

But only for one point, and that to defend Jan H: I don't think Jan has ever criticised Robbie beyond what is fair and acceptable - not liking one or the other album is fair criticism. I would prefer this place, if my opinion counts for anything, to remain - I get some great contacts, running the full gamut from everyone (I printed a list of posters I enjoy some time back: I'd only add to that now), and get to discuss the Band - nothing gives me a greater thrill than Rod (in Melbourne) and Cwipple Cweek (in Perth) reminding me there are other antipodean Band fans out there.

I've been really slack with BFB: I lurked for a while, but (and this is no reflection on anyone there or here, except me), I had nothing to add to the discussion there. I probably have nothing to add to the discussion here either... I may email Lil for the location again, but if I don't - Lil, it's not you, it's me! (Time, et cetera) (and of course, Lil may not want me there anyway - and that's ok)

I just want to thank Jan for all his work here - best music site on the web, and when you strip away the BS, a very good discussion group.

And Northern Boy is a prince among men, and a man among princes!


Entered at Thu Nov 19 01:06:24 CET 2009 from host671420023130.direcway.com (67.142.130.23)

Posted by:

Lil

It's interesting that Peter's Band "dream" is having Bumbles back here. Would this be the same Bumbles who posted derogatory remarks and jokes to a woman poster here when she talked about how her babies almost drowned?...And the same Bumbles that also made derogatory remarks and jokes about Butch (which Pat Brennan was nice enough to remove) when he was in the hospital having life and death surgery?

Sure says a lot about your character Peter, although it's not anything we don't already know.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 01:03:06 CET 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

So, let me get this straight (no pun intended), Peter is high (or low as the case may be) and Steve is sober and very accommodating. All this and I miss Bumbles too.

Hugs!

J.F.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 00:09:24 CET 2009 from 21cust105.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.105)

Posted by:

Steve

Peter, I agree with most of what you posted, though before we saint old Bumbles let's acknowledge he was also a little thin skinned from time to time and could get quite vicious but that was rare and I certainly enjoyed his stick-handling of the English language.

You could almost set your watch by the regularity of his sending David packing his bags. Oh the good old days.

I was also impressed by the way they'd throw the book at him over yonder but were kind enough to keep it over there, probably to save us the added rancour here.


Entered at Thu Nov 19 00:05:31 CET 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: I was onlly sleeping ...

Ray's post made me think of "When You Awake", which made me remember everything, including the fact that I'd meant to post a little something about Robbie's first album - how unsure he seemed to be about his own voice. With Peter Gabriel on "Fallen Angel" he tries to sound like Gabriel, with Sammy Llanas on "Crazy River" he tries to squeeze it out like Llanas, with Bono on "Sweet Fire Of Love" he tries to sound like Bono. More interesting to me is "Showdown", which I assume he wrote with Richard in mind, because that's who he's emulating, and "Broken Arrow", which seems to have been written with Rick in mind - with a Levon overlay. Don't know about the rest.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 23:43:47 CET 2009 from ool-457405b9.dyn.optonline.net (69.116.5.185)

Posted by:

Ray

Yawn


Entered at Wed Nov 18 23:15:12 CET 2009 from 24-159-9-184.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com (24.159.9.184)

Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: Carmen's comments

Amen, somebody had to say it.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 22:58:32 CET 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The most interesting question in a year, Bill. And one dripping with ironic intent. Years ago, a good friend asked what we’d most dread for our children, and his own reply was that they might find a partner in life who lacked a sense of irony or humour.

Recently, I’ve come to understand exactly what he meant, for the true automatons, the Daleks, are those lacking all sense of irony and humour. Their world can’t be “humanity” as I know it.

So, forgetting all those many dreams we have outside the narrow focus of “Planet GB” and sticking to Planet GB, my wildest dream would be the return of Bumbles. There was a guy who was prickly, sarcastic, but always full of a dry sense of humour and a sharp sense of the ironic. He got up some people’s noses, but he knew more about music in depth, particularly soul music, than any of the Wikipedia-fingered so-called instant experts here. Earlier, David failed to inform us that J. J. Cale’s “Really” had the catalogue number A&M 68157, which I thought was remiss, or plain crap Googling (in the current lexicon).

But Bumbles was the subject of the Band-world equivalent of the Salem witch-hunt, led by the esteemed Witchfinder-General, with her organized “ganging up” and attacks. Having experienced much the same from the same half-dozen foul-mouthed, foul-minded, viciously aggressive people, I am very aware of how they operated. And all these people live in a world totally without irony, humour or any lightness of being. Are they plain stupid? I thought so once, and one or two probably are. I think it’s more complex than that. I just think they fail to understand whatever it is the majority of us smile about.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 22:39:22 CET 2009 from vance008.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.186.12)

Posted by:

Moore Endby

Subject: Jumping Ship ?

Many times I've actually considered heading over to Book Faded Brown but then I always end up saying to myself "Self, don't be stupid. That would mean no longer reading the posts of your two favourite GBers, Northern Boy and NB". Man those two crack me up, so I think I'll just stay put right here. M.E.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 21:12:08 CET 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

That raises a good question: what DO GBers dream about? (Shelve any thought of wildness, given we're obviously the kind of people who get their kicks by typing, though some do add to their pleasure by moving their lips as they go.) The ultimate multi-gram remixed, remastered vinyl pressing? The dusty box of Sun 45s found in a junk store under a power saw and a torn hammock? The Belgian picture sleeve with the words to "Rag Mam Rag" in Flemish and "Unfaithful Servant" in Walloon? A reunion of the RT (remaining three)? A note from Robbie apologising for TMSO? A note from Garth apologising for having allowed himself to be tempted by a synthesizer? A note from Levon apologising for not having enunciated at certain critical moments of TNTDODD? The return of Bumbles?


Entered at Wed Nov 18 20:52:52 CET 2009 from host671420028130.direcway.com (67.142.130.28)

Posted by:

Lil

Not even in your wildest dream Peter.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 20:46:12 CET 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Oh, shit, I forgot!

The new order is upon is. Hugs, Lil.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 20:45:19 CET 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Los Lobos Goes Disney

Los Lobos Goes Disney is a great Christmas gift. I'd certainly disagree that it's designed for kids. I think it's finding the melodies and concepts in Disney tunes and fitting them into a whole series of varied musical contexts.

This is, on my fifth listening through, a five star album. Definitely one of my Top Ten of the year.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 20:38:27 CET 2009 from host671420028130.direcway.com (67.142.130.28)

Posted by:

Lil

Oops.. that's right. We have those wonderful people from Georgia and Norway as well :-) Thanks David.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 20:37:00 CET 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279310816.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.187.224)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Charlie Y: Bravo on spending money and time on live music………good for the soul….and a good update on Los Lobos.

Thanks Lil


Entered at Wed Nov 18 20:31:54 CET 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: In the Norwegian Hood

And it's a long swim from Georgia, even with the current, to upstate New York, but not nearly as far to Norway.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 20:09:28 CET 2009 from host671420028130.direcway.com (67.142.130.28)

Posted by:

Lil

Kevin J: To correct Jan F's post: Any bashing that occurs starts HERE. Any follow up discussion about it there is a direct result of that. "Upstate New Yorkers?" That would come as a surprise to the people there who live in Canada, and those in Philly, and in Minnesota, and on Long Island... etc...And gee, the last time the lead guitarist of THE BAND was mentioned there was in the context of how gracious his son seems to be.... Feel free to e-mail me Kevin J. d_lil at hotmail dot com


Entered at Wed Nov 18 19:50:33 CET 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Hudson on Hammond with Hammond

Bill M: Eric (Garth) Hudson was credited on Hammond organ on the original LP of Mr. Hammond's "So Many Roads". Vanguard released both mono & stereo versions of the LP and a few years ago the Cisco label reissued an audiophile quality 180-gram vinyl version.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 19:20:39 CET 2009 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: music

Sure would like to see a Los Lobos show right about now but it's not going to happen anytime soon. Have to settle for their Disney CD I suppose. I haven't bought any Lobos since 'The Ride' which of course featured our Garth (not to mention Dave Alvin and Bobby Womack).

I'm thinking that the Disney CD might work well as a Christmas gift. I'm always hesitant about giving or receiving music but familiar songs, well played? Why not? Anybody else have suggestions? Roseanne Cashs' 'The List'? Most country lovers already have it I'd say.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 19:09:45 CET 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: As a life-long anal retentive, I take exception to your medical suggestion. Whatever an episiotomy may be, it can't be pleasant.

Steve: You're right, Jan H wrote 'self-indulgent', not 'self-important'. My bad. But still, there's something in me that says that I did our esteemed Norwegian chum a favour by crediting him with a critical remark (even if it was just a restatement of an unkindness penned years ago by critic Dave Marsh) as opposed to a statement of the patently obvious. After all, aside from the occasional unsanctioned release, solo albums are by definition self-indulgent. You think Levon had nothing to do with the decision to credit his album to 'Levon Helm' or the decision to have himself sing the songs or play the mandolin or find a song or two that he could co-write? You betcha not!

Speaking of Robbie and Levon, I bin listening and listening to "So Many Roads", and jeez those guys shine, as does Bloomfield on piano on several tunes. Who'da thunk it? Garth of course is excellent too on the couple of songs that he plays on. Being a life-long a-r I'm the kinda guy who finds it interesting that the reissuers changed the credits from Mark, Jaime and Eric to Levon, Robbie and Garth. Garth is credited on the CD with playing a Hammond organ, though I don't recall that detail from the LP. In any case, he manages to make it sound like a Farfisa at times; as that couldn't possibly have been a mistake, he may have been the very first human to even attempt that rather bizarre goal.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Music

I'm back to spending money on live music this month with Los Lobos the other night--brilliant as always--and friend of The Band, Kinky Friedman (like Rollie, he was at TLW) tonight at the Birchmere here in Old Virginny. Some people go to church and throw their extra cash in the offering plate, I put mine into live music.

The Los Lobos show was as good as any I've seen in the 21 years I've been going to their shows. It was a little different since the new album they're promoting is one aimed primarily at children ("Los Lobos Goes Disney") but the two tunes they included from that project fit seamlessly with the rest of the two hour concert. They also included two other cover songs that are always welcome by their hardcore fans: a blistering version of Neil Young's "Cinnamon Girl" and the usually transcendent Grateful Dead classic, "Bertha." They even invited a maracas-weilding audience member up twice for extended periods during the show and the lovely young woman was a perfect fit with the original five members. Together since 1973, it seems the members of Los Lobos know how to overcome petty quabbles just like Donald, Mickey and friends have--with comic relief. We could all learn some lessons from them.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 17:57:06 CET 2009 from c-75-72-126-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (75.72.126.40)

Posted by:

Zzzz

Ah come-on Moeboo... you can be more mischevious than that... like proposing that the other site that gets attacks with snide comments by this one's Mod... be added as one of two choices when you click on Guestbook at Jan's site... hehehe, yes, a polytheistic GB again!!!!!!... bring it back, bring it back (in my best Pagan Rubber Plant voice)... Hey, does anybody think that Christian Bale's "Dylan" portrayal is not much different acting than his "W" betraylor... Newculear baby!...


Entered at Wed Nov 18 17:45:36 CET 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

David, I look forward to seeing Robbie Robertson's new album on the side bar. I think it'll happen when pigs fly.

Kevin J. Believe me, you don't want to go there. I've not "studied up" on your postings (as Jeff thinks I have with his) but unless you are into bashing folks from this GB, talking folksy with the upstate New Yorkers (not that there's anything wrong with that!), or occasionally bashing the former lead guitar player of THE BAND, you won't fit in . . . I didn't.

I plan to have a lovely (rest of the) day. Same to all of you.

J.F.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 17:03:59 CET 2009 from host671420025130.direcway.com (67.142.130.25)

Posted by:

Lil

JanF: As soon as Mr Viney stops igniting the flames, I'll be more than happy to stop - as you say - "fanning" them - although what I'm really doing is exercising my right in this "reasonable" place with "reasonable" people to respond to assinine comments. Have a lovely day.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 16:46:12 CET 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Jan F: Mr. Hoiberg has links to all of Robbie's solo works, guest appearances, soundtrack contributions, etc., as well as to his MySpace & Facebook sites, elsewhere. If you notice, all of the albums featured on the sidebar have been released in the current century. I'm sure that when Robbie's upcoming solo album, his first since 1998, is released next year, it will garner a spot at the sidebar. In the meantime, as you well know, Robbie's son Sebastian occasionally posts updates here, so through Mr. Hoiberg's fine efforts we are afforded new information regarding Robbie's current projects.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 16:43:07 CET 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279310816.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.187.224)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Funny……and I think I might just hang out at the Mozart GB for a while……..while correct to exclude Lil…..Bonk might have just overlooked the legendary Roz …….Perhaps I am a crazy optimist but I actually thought that the spirit in the last few months with the sincere acknowledgement of the passing of Mrs. Robertson, Sebastian’s presence here and RR’s decision to do an interview with Carol Caffin was very positive……..By the way – and I have asked this before – what is this other mythical site? I know Carol’s site and the LHS site but every time I have looked for Book Faded Brown – I just get more information on Rick Danko – never a bad thing….but…. It is almost like some of my long lost friends from years ago on this site have found “The Beach” and not left a map…….Is David P allowed to swim over during his occasional retirements from this GB? Do Todd and bob w hang out there? Where will Dexter go in 2016?


Entered at Wed Nov 18 16:27:11 CET 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Jeff, the fact that your post was short, coherent, and to the point attracted my attention. I'll try to avert my eyes from now on . . .

Bonk was correct in including you Lil -- when, of late, have you showed up here to do anything but fan the flames?

And, I've always wondered why are none of Robbie's solo albums on the side bar of this website -- good, bad, whatever -- shouldn't they be included if this site truly represents THE BAND?

Jan F.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 16:26:13 CET 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Rod: While I don't believe Ry Cooder ever played with any Band members, he did appear on the Tribute to Woody Guthrie concerts compilation, which also featured Dylan & The Band. Mr. Cooder accompanied Arlo Guthrie, Odetta and Joan Baez on various performances.

Peter M: You're indeed correct -- "Call Me The Breeze" was written by J.J. Cale. It was originally included on his great 1971 debut album "Naturally", was also featured "Crazy Mama" (later part of the re-formed Band's & Rick's repertoire). Lynyrd Skynyrd's amped-up cover version of the former was included on their 1974 album "Second Helping", produced by Al Kooper, which also included "Sweet Home Alabama". Although mainly known as a guitar band (with three dueling on this particular album), their fine cover of "Call Me The Breeze" featured one of many of the late Billy Powell's great piano solos.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 15:59:52 CET 2009 from (63.88.115.195)

Posted by:

Carmen

Subject: Guest Book

Close the GB and what would be lost? This started as a place for fans of the BAND to discuss music and has become a blog for the left to bash anything and anyone who disagrees with them.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 14:54:06 CET 2009 from (131.137.35.77)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: one man's epinion

BONK: that would just make us bigger a__holes.

I think I'll get an epiphany instead . . . .


Entered at Wed Nov 18 12:50:15 CET 2009 from host671420017130.direcway.com (67.142.130.17)

Posted by:

Lil

Bonk: "Excluding" me was the correct thing to do since I don't START the bullshit here. That's Viney's department. I simply respond to it when he insists on throwing it out there.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 12:26:32 CET 2009 from 21cust203.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.203)

Posted by:

Steve

That's what I mean Jan, not hard to confuse me.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: set list?

Rod: any chance of a setlist? Missed him myself .... Darn it!


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Ry Cooder

Ry Cooder played down here last night. What a great player. Pity he never linked up with The Band. Garth. Levon and Ry would be a pretty hard act to beat.



Entered at Wed Nov 18 04:38:49 CET 2009 from d207-216-14-216.bchsia.telus.net (207.216.14.216)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Close the GB?

FriendO, surely you jest. If you think it's such a peaceful solution then just delete it from your bookmarks. Bet you can't. It seems to me that a lot of the bullshit that starts here comes from the male species (sorry Lil, don't mean to exclude you) and it comes from boredom or not having anything more to say. Fair enough, but maybe some of you anal retentive guys should go and get an episiotomy. It might make you feel better.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 03:21:45 CET 2009 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

I've thought about it some more. No GB, No Arguments. Shutting the GB is a very peaceful option.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 01:25:54 CET 2009 from (72.237.79.129)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: a couple of points mentioned in the GB

I saw that Bashful Bill noted a "hastily arranged Ramble" at Levon's Sunday night. From what I gather, there was supposed to be a Levon Helm Tribute show in NYC at the Frank Sinatra Hall, somewhere in Manhattan. They announced that the "musical performance portion" somehow had to be cancelled and offered refunds. Next thing, I'm reading about a Sunday Ramble featuring Kris Kristofferson, Carolyn Wonderland (who got a great review recently in this GB), Hubert Sumlin and others. Looks like they salvaged the "musical performance portion" and moved it to The Barn. By the way, Bill asked about whether they actually played a Lynerd Skynerd song. The set list mentions "They Call Me the Breeze", popularized by Skynerd, but I think it was originally written and performed by J J Cale. One last thing, the GB entry from jennifergeorg@gmail.com 11/26 20:55:46 is a sleazy porn link. I unfortunately opened it on my work computer.


Entered at Wed Nov 18 01:24:18 CET 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Jan F.

You agreeing with my post ( except the last line of course) does not surprise me.

However, what did almost make me fall off my chair was that for the second time in maybe a month, you have responded to a post of mine. Now, one poster responding to another poster's post is not unusual, but I'm still trying to figure out how you know what I post when it's been several years now that you have repeatedly declared that you scroll past my posts and never read them .

That doesn't make you a bad person though. So..... Whatever super power or skill you have, i hope you find a way to exploit it. A Bama Belle Knows All Reality Show perhaps?


Entered at Wed Nov 18 01:04:50 CET 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279546264.dsl.bell.ca (76.68.83.152)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For Kalervo....Robbie Robertson meets Eckhart Tolle



Entered at Wed Nov 18 00:42:07 CET 2009 from pool-141-156-164-181.esr.east.verizon.net (141.156.164.181)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Steve, I didn't mean Bill sugar-coated his review of JRR's albums . . . only Jan H's remark. I'm not exactly crazy about ALL of Robbie's solo work anymore than I worship the ground Levon walks upon like some people here (and there).

I have more important things to deal with right now.

J.F.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 23:48:12 CET 2009 from 21cust98.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.98)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: I Haven't Read The Uncut letter

Jeff, my friend, never sell the future short or as Ringo might phrase it, "Tomorrow Never Knows".

Bill, while you don't think J2R's albums were self-important, do you agree they might be a tad self-indulgent.

Jan confused me ( not hard to do Jan so don't think some kind of award is forth coming) by saying you sugar coated your criticism. Then I reread your post and you call one of the albums awful(agreed) and one over blown in places. Maybe I just have to go back and take one of Jeff's reading comprehension classes. Tomorrow never knows.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 23:46:09 CET 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There's one hell of a feud going on over at the Mozart website, Bill. What with the Salieri faction breaking away in high dudgeon and all.

I had hoped that Dexter's views on TLW might have provided many amusing posts, but that thread got truncated.

Having worked with people who do design kid's materials, I'd add for P. Wells, that Ratatouille isn't that great for a two year old either. Lots of colour and exciting pictures, but it's nice sometimes to tailor viewing to what they can try and follow. Ratatouille would be a blur, a pleasant enough blur and lots, lots more fun at the age than TLW, but there's better stuff about for the age group. I'm sure the Pixar people would agree with me on age suitability. People think, "Oh, Disney cartoon. Fine." But Snow White has given plenty of imaginative little kids nightmares, and Bambi is way too distressing. Disney never designed this stuff for pre-schoolers.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 23:31:07 CET 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: I have an idea ...

Kevin J: How 'bout we all go over to the Mozart GB and start posting, and all the classical buffs over there can come here and start posting! Sorta like those Men's Issues / Women's Issues panels they had back in the glory days of Saturday Night Live, when Gilda, Jane and Lorraine would sit around and opine, saying things like, "We can do it when we're unconscious or dead even, but guys aren't like that."


Entered at Tue Nov 17 23:05:53 CET 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I should've noted that the same issue of "Uncut" has a long look at the glory days of Polydor blues-rock of the late '60s and early '70s. There's a little thing on "Songs for a Tailor" that suggests that it's the best solo album by any Cream member. That'd be more than just Ginger Baker's output, by my interpretation. And I'd have to agree.

Jan F: While I too wish that Jan H hadn't taken that gratuitous swipe, I think it reflects more poorly on him as letter-writer than on this site or his work as its webmaster. I find his administration pretty even-handed; what we get up to in this playpen is pretty much our own responsibility.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 22:56:16 CET 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279310816.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.187.224)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Mozart has a GB too….I am quite sure that it is not as active or interesting as it may have been in the 1780’s but 200 years later at least people have a place to go to discuss someone who was considered the best keyboard player in his day……the same should apply for Garth Hudson and friends…..where else will Dexter turn to in 2016? Or will he be satisfied with the no position/no opinion/no colour of the “cool site..cool music” commentary found on the mind numbingly dull facebook/tweeteresque style of GB????

Thanks JQ for the mention/reminder of Rosanne Cash….one of my absolute favorites for a number of releases and reasons.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 22:44:58 CET 2009 from pool-141-156-164-181.esr.east.verizon.net (141.156.164.181)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

My internet has been down for about 20 hours (yes, I know exactly how long . . .) I (and others) may wish it was down now.

I find (and don’t fall off of your chair, Jeff) that, with the exception of the last line of his post, I must agree with Jeff. The “debating” in this GB does at times turn nasty, but usually comes back around to the music.

But with Jan’s letter to “UnCut,” I believe he does not represent the entire fan base of THE BAND when he insults one of the original members. Thanks to Bill M. for “sugar-coating” it, but really, Jan H. how could you? You stated that “Lee's Grammy-winning 2007 Dirt Farmer LP and now Electric Dirt are wonderful, down-to-earth pieces of work from the godfather of Americana, far from the slick self-indulgence of some of Robbie Robertson's '80s and '90s output.”

You and others here wonder why Robbie has never acknowledged this site. For real???

Maybe the GB and the entire website should go if it doesn’t represent the entirety of THE BAND.

Dave Z. I thought your post was great, but you are watching too much basketball, son. The season just started. See you on Facebook.

Jan F.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 22:27:38 CET 2009 from c-75-72-126-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (75.72.126.40)

Posted by:

Zzzz

Hey Moeboo, who really gives a rip about this round of GB drama, there be another coming 'round the mountain when she comes, when he comes... I just thought you and Lars would enjoy the e-stimulation of getting hit by a beer bottle... and then be blamed for throwing it... hehehe... and so couldn't pass up the opportunity... You guys are like the older brothers I didn't get to pick on...


Entered at Tue Nov 17 21:41:57 CET 2009 from ool-457e262e.dyn.optonline.net (69.126.38.46)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: Outside New Paltz

Dave Z, .... all the arguing you've referred to, and that is taking place, and the arguing that has taken place over the years...... and the technicals you are handing out....

I'll respond with this mono dimensional thought.

No GB, no arguments.

I'm not necessarily saying that I am for his closing this GB down, but I also am not necessarily saying that if I had a vote I would vote against that.

I've enjoyed the kibbitzing, some of the discussion, some of the info. I've enjoyed contact with some of the posters. Others, well, I'd like them to spend as much time flying a kite as possible. My feelings about this place being no more important than any other posters here.

There are certain / some posters here who have made some very favorable impressions upon me, and the banter and personal e mails have been very fun and pleasant. And whom I'd love to meet.If we were not geograpphically distant we'd probably be friends.

So,I'm thankful for the positive aspects, and realize you may not be able to have one with out the other. You may not be able to get the good with out getting the bad.For one thing, if there was only good, how would we identify it as good. More to the point, what if a lot of the good result in the GB are outgrowths of bad?

Fact is,written as someone who has the utmost respect for Jan H and holds Jan H as a good and valued friend, and as someone who has always loved the Band and The Band's music as much as anyone could, I think this GB has long outlived is usefulness as a place where The Band and it's members are legitimately discussed. By several years.

But, again, I'm not saing that if i had a vote I would vote for or against.....

I do know I would vote for Peter getting deleted, warned, banned, banned, warned, deleted, deleted, warned, and banned, though.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 20:55:46 CET 2009 from ppp79-139-255-136.pppoe.spdop.ru (79.139.255.136)

Posted by:

jennifergeor@gmail.com

Location: NY
Web: My link

Subject: jennifergeor@gmail.com

Forgive me, but what does this mean? Like, some duck talking to


Entered at Tue Nov 17 20:54:09 CET 2009 from (166.129.110.72)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: What Christians profess & country covers

Bill M - The list of Christian hypocrisies is a long one indeed. Along with an anti-Jewish sentiment (to quote Mary Hartman: After all they did kill our Lord") one could add their lust for the death penalty, vengeance in the form of so-called victim's rights, greed in the form of gross capitalism, racism, and is there really any doubt what Jesus would think about universal health care or gay marriage? And then there is their habit of referring back to the Old Testament (talk about an essential non-Christian guide to living) when the truly Christian point of view becomes inconvenient or at odds with their political agenda.

Rosanne Cash has thrown in with the others that have recently made records of classic country covers. And I like it. I would also add to a preferred list: Dwight Sings Buck, John Doe & The Sadies' Country Club, Teddy Thompson's Up Front & Low Down and Jimmy Dale Gilmore's C'mon Back. We did get a few of those type from Rick Danko, I particularly like his medley of Long Black Veil & Train of Love, but I'd bet he could have made a great one in this category, eh? Consider he & Neko Case making an album of those type of covers together.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 20:26:09 CET 2009 from (131.137.35.77)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: tapping you for clean water

This is courtesy the _Globe and Mail_'s "Essential Tracks" column - the essential track is R. Newman's "Louisiana, 1927" done up by hometeam hero Gord Downie, with The Sadies.

Probably very good, too, but I've only heard the miserable few seconds of teaser at [My link]. To hear the whole thing, you have to join their club - apparently inspired by "The River Hymn," it's called Swim Drink Fish Music . . . . Proceeds to Lake Ontario Waterkeeper, which I'm sure is a worthy cause, but I've got a moribund lake in my own backyard; if I had extra buxes to be throwing at lakeses, I'd be throwing 'em at that one . . . .


Entered at Tue Nov 17 19:10:27 CET 2009 from p4fcafa72.dip.t-dialin.net (79.202.250.114)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany, 4hr3m from the full Donnie Brasco
Web: My link

Subject: Woodstock bus, (soft top & spare wheel)

Jetzt for the love and peace generation, your own light Woodstock Bus (link).


Entered at Tue Nov 17 18:44:48 CET 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Joan: Yes, obsessive is obsessive. Did I mention "Men who stare at goats"?

Vide M: I don't believe that Attali mentioned Saul/Paul of Tarsus, certainly one of the more significant converts, who could perhaps be called the man who saved rabbinical Judaism. His dictum that the teachings of Jesus applied to everybody (and not just to Jews, as per Jesus) certainly made the budding Christianity an awful lot less attractive to members of their original target populace.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 18:38:30 CET 2009 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: the peaceful woods of NY

Empty Now- I've been listening to you all along, but I guess you never heard me.

I think this guestbook gets side-tracked too easily. When the bickering subsides, there are a lot of good things said in here, about music and life in general. One small fart and everything comes crashing down. All you have to do is get back to the music, whether its the Band or something from this century.

And speaking of music, in my own self-serving way, the Bush Brothers Bluegrass Band will have one set of bluegrass and a second set of rock this coming Sat, Nov 21st, at the High Falls Cafe, High Falls, NY (845) 687-2699. The second set will have Randy Ciarlante on drums (his second straight appearance with the BBs) and LeRoy Hoornbeck on guitar. Music starts at 8:30 so all of us old folks can get home at a decent hour. There will be some Band and Dylan (20th Century Rock) covers in the second set.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 18:30:01 CET 2009 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Dexter

I never meant to create such an uproar. I posted the article since it definitely had "Band Content". Whether it is good or bad is not the point. I found the fact that such a young child could be so interested in a very grownup movie interesting. Children are obsessive about movies at that age. My great niece Eloise would watch Elmo for hours on end. She would have done it 24/7 if we let her. Yes, I know, Elmo is age appropriate, but obsessive is obsessive. Dexter probably is very mature child. I've known a couple, and their interests are anything but "babyish".

I think we should all take it with a large grain of salt,and like the fact that The Band has been passed to a new generation. :-).


Entered at Tue Nov 17 17:53:59 CET 2009 from (41.97.190.194)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Bill M

Thanks man for the echo, i wish you've read the linked article. You are one of the rare GBers with whom i feel a kind of union of posting ethics and policy.

In my so many posts and links i'm not sure for who accepts to waste his time with them, if everytime he passes the difficult exercise to discernate my own thoughts from those exposed in the document i link, or perhaps it could mean implicitly that since i do link something it obligatorily mean that at the minimum i paid attention to it, thus i do share some of its idea, or do that mean...
the other awesome outsanding poster from the other country of cold who directed me on that wonderful piece from Attali, as i used to know Ilkka is a fervent consumer of miscellaneous intellectuals from the past present and future of this country of the sun....


Entered at Tue Nov 17 17:11:29 CET 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279310816.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.187.224)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Steve

Nice to know that some here still have a good sense of humour!


Entered at Tue Nov 17 17:07:15 CET 2009 from 21cust11.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.11)

Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, those comments to young Dexter about, The Boss, were outrageous, egregious, and preposterous. Cease and desist.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 16:31:59 CET 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279310816.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.187.224)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Dexter

Hey Dexter…pull back from that screen and forget the Band…there is always The Boss and he surely has 25 or 30 new songs about motorcycles, cars or trucks on the way…..


Entered at Tue Nov 17 15:45:14 CET 2009 from 21cust251.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.251)

Posted by:

Steve

David, you're starting to sound like Kramer's lawyer, Jackie Chiles.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 15:40:59 CET 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

A quick leaf through "Uncut" magazine yesterday turned up a letter to the editor from our own webster, Jan H, who took the time to point to this wonderful site. It was mostly a pat on the back for last issue's profile of Levon and his current success, though it did take what I thought was an unjustified swipe at Robbie's "self-important" work of the '80s and '90s. I'd say that the first album is overblown in places, but I don't see self-importance in it. I found the second album awful, but "Music for the Native Americans" and "Redboy" are both brilliant.

Anyway, it was still nice to see Jan writing. Maybe he should do a book about this GB? He coulda called it "Life at the GB: Men Who Stare at Goats", but now the better half of that's been taken. Great movie, by the way, especially for those 50+.

David P: You mentioned "Spinal Tap". Did you read about Bwuce's recent Spinal Tap moment? - "Helloooo Ohio!" when in Michigan. Amazing that his bandmates let him stew in his own mess, as he apparently repeated the mistake a couple times before someone tipped him off.

Peter V: I agree with Young H; I really don't get what the fuss is about. I see that Herb's back too, still paying much too much attention to your fundament.

Empty N: As I've said here a couple of times, it's weird that Christians profess love for everything about Jesus except his religion, Judaism.

Oh yes, the worthwhile drive to Acton was via Rockwood and its museum of street- and radial cars. I clambered around one from the Lake Erie and Northern line that ran until 1956 from Kitchener to Port Dover through storied Preston, Galt, Paris, Brantford and Simcoe. I can't imagine that young Ricky Danko didn't take it south to the beach at least once.


Entered at Tue Nov 17 15:30:28 CET 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Mr. V: Compounding your bad form with further personal insults is impolite, inappropriate and disrespectful of the spirit of this GB. :-(


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Music. And only music.

Los Lobos Goes Disney arrived this morning. I’m on my third time through and loving every minute. As well as doing Disney radically differently but still faithfully, they run a whole gamut of styles. So Heigh Ho makes me think of Madness. When You Wish Upon A Star is The Shadows (or Ventures) circa 1963. Oo-De-Lally is hokey early 60s C&W. Zip A Dee Doo Dah is great loping Americana rock, The Ugly Bug Ball takes off like Status Quo Rockin’ All Over The World. Every track’s a homage and every track’s a treat. It’s going to be one of the best albums of the year for me.


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Posted by:

Lil

The "center" of bouts of disharmony here is you Peter. I have never 'lined up to attack'. You repeatedly attack, unprovoked, with your arrogant little digs, and frankly I'm just tired of it and have decided to stop letting it slide and respond to you instead.

Apologies to all the other posters here, but I'm not going to sit back and take this shit from this man anymore.


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Posted by:

Steve

Hey, Sebastien's kid, according to Tracy, seems to be more than old enough to do a review of the Last Waltz. If Sebastien doesn't get back here anytime soon maybe we should skip a generation and go to the grandson.

I hope he won't be scared off by JG. After all, we the oldsters pass judgment on their flicks all the time. I didn't read the review so I'm not sure if Dexter had anything to say about some of The Mr. Dress Up ( Canadian Content) like costumes of Dr. John or poor old Van The Man.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: New CD (etc)

While people who rarely post were lining up to attack over what I felt was a wry interchange (David had put that Smiley), I was uploading scans of the new Allman Brothers Live at the Beacon March 2009 set, with its three tracks by Levon, accompanied by Brian Mitchell, Teresa Williams, and Larry Campbell and The Allman Brothers Band. Taj Mahal also performed three songs, and most interestingly performs The Weight with Levon (and Teresa and The Allmans). Levon’s set is powerful, though his voice is cracking up badly when they start I Shall Be released … a 6 minute 47 second vesion at that. There’s a great drum sound with Levon plus all those other drummers / percussionists and naturally, plenty of guitar solos. I ordered it when it was mentioned here back in May, forgot all about it and opened it with surprise yesterday morning. It’s on the Allman Brothers own Peach Records label. I think that scanning it is a very minor but useful contribution to the growing content here.

On the other hand, some people only pop up here when there’s potential for name-calling and confrontation. The same people may have been here for donkey’s years, but what positive contribution have they ever made to the wealth of information? Not a thing that I recall, but Lil has been right at the centre of a fair number of bouts of disharmony. I look back at the Band’s stated reasons for leaving (or rather escaping) Woodstock in the 70s and realize that only one of them had enough sense to stay away.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: ramblin

Has anyone heard any reports from that hastily arranged Sunday night ramble last night? I checked Levon's site but so far there's just a partial setlist and not too much hard news. Did Levon and Kris Kristofferson do anything together? Did Hubert play? Did Levon&his band really play a Skynard song? Any news on Levon singing again, anytine soon? On another Band related note: are any northeast fans going to the Honky Tonk Guru's reunion on Friday? Does anyone care about any of this? On yet another note, Band related and not: life's brief, people - it even says so in the bible.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Oh yes. Sigur Ros is breathtaking but definitely an acquired taste. Kind of Pink Floyd psych meets Icelandic elfin something or other. So idiosyncratic that there are very few musical references to draw upon for description.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Tracy

I'm sorry too: I was merely trying to change the subject. For what it's worth, I love the E Street Band...


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Posted by:

Pat B

Tracy, I'm sorry if you got the impression that I didn't like the E Street Band. I'm just partial to David Sancious, but Federici (RIP for sure) and Roy B were great together. To be honest, I think they get quite a kick in the ass when Max Weinberg's son substitutes for Dad. I also think the live DVD that came with the BTR remaster is spectacular.

BTW, Paul Allen--Microsoft co-founder--has cancer. He's obviously known for a lot of things but we here can thank him for "supporting" TLW audio remasters and expansion.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: Knock it off!!

Get off it! You people are still at it? Didn't you learn from the last time the Guestbook closed down? You know, if this has anything to do with music, there's enough of it to go around. It's for everybody! You can't tell me The Band creates this kind of atmosphere. I know I was more than willing to talk about music. Hell, I mentioned Springsteen but that wasn't enough. Nope. The E Street Band can't be a good band. Nothing can compare to THE BAND. At least they're still together without sour grapes. I felt a lot of love at that signing and I couldn't claim to being a huge fan. Over here, I've been a fan of The Band and it's the same old crap year in and year out. For over 10 years. Can't you all just get along? Read a book for Chrissakes! Do something without the petty bickering and whining. Still there remains factions. One group has their guestbook and in this corner there is this one. Give it a rest. The Band had a nice little run, and that was over thirty years ago. Time to put down the animosity and sour grapes and move on with life. This over a review??

Also, leave Sebastian out of it. Contrary to what you might think, he is not your babysitter. I'll bet his four year old acts more mature than you people!


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: New"feud"

I'm in your corner, Peter V.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

OK, I'm gonna have to call a double technical here... but since we are dealing with Superstars... I'm giving one to MoeBoo... yes, yes his feet weren't planted on the charge... and then I couldn't quite seen through David and Lil's weakside screen... but it looked like Lars travelled... or maybe fell... into Jeffo... probably spooked by all the screaming... That makes 3 fouls on Jeffo and 5 on Lars... and now we'll send Peter to the line for a 1-and-1... just because he shoots Rick Barry-style. Officially, we'll call it all a "forced walk." And no need to bring any Lakers fans in here. We got it under control. But don't be bringing any of that NYTimes weak shit in here anymore. Let 'em play, boys and girls, let the Superstars play.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Sebastian?

I second the call for Sebastian to answe rthe questions...


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Posted by:

Ray

It's just mild banter.... no need for overkill. Either stop being an asshole or take that trip to STFU land.


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Posted by:

Lil

No need for me to "peer over the walls" Peter since I've been a member of this guestbook as long as you have. The only one doing the attacking here is you. Perhaps you and that pompous horse you rode in on should take a trip to STFU land. It's really getting old.


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Posted by:

Peter V

My goodness, one minor remark in response to a Smiley at the end of a statement, and you suddenly realize that you’re in a walled garden with drooling ghouls peering over the walls continually waiting to leap in and attack. Then you have “Thesaurus Dave” (as one might append him in the current lexicon) wading in with a touch of his lovable pomposity to support the ghouls which is OK, and then someone called “Ray” posting obscene pictures of his wife or mother.


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Posted by:

Steve

See what you've started , Deb.

Ray, that was gross. Looks like that pumpkin is starting to rot and sag like they do after they freeze a couple of times. That cleavage can't hold a candle to Palin's pie pumpkins I suggested as preparatorial viewing in anticipation of the release of her tell all "book".


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Posted by:

David P

For the record, I found nothing good-natured or reasonable in Peter's uncalled-for retort. In the current lexicon, I would categorize it as a snarky remark, rather than banter.


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Posted by:

Ray

Web: My link

A special pumpkin for a special guy...


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Posted by:

Lil

"Mild banter with David". What a fucking prince. The only "overkill" I can see here is you and your juvenile little comments.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Overkill, Lil. Mild banter with David!


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Posted by:

Lil

I guess unprovoked attacks make you feel more like a man, hm Peter? The funny part about it is that you don't even seem to realize how stupid and immature you sound. Grow up.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Dave's guests & R.Palmer..

WHAT's NEW?:re: Robert Palmer: I have a hard cover book of his; "R&R An Unruly History" The Companion Volume to the PBS TV series,[1995]. It was a good series as anyone who saw it will agree.The book is great too.

Here's Dave Letterman's guest list for the week. Check out Wednesday,[Ray Davis]

Monday, November 16

Sharon Stone (Elton John AIDS Foundation Event), Seth Meyers (Saturday Night Live), Wyclef Jean with Cyndi Lauper (CD, "From the Hut, To the Projects, To the Mansion")

Tuesday, November 17

Penelope Cruz (Nine), World Series of Poker Main Event Champ, Joe Cada The Script (CD, "The Script") n Wednesday, November 18

Stupid Human Tricks, Robert Pattinson (Twilight: New Moon), Ray Davies (CD, "Ray Davies -- Collected")

Thursday, November 19

Stephen Colbert (The Colbert Report) John Mayer (CD, "Battle Studies") *John Mayer Live Webcast at 8pm ET / 5pm PT*

Friday November 29

Viggo Mortensen (The Road), Comedian Paula Poundstone, Lyle Lovett (CD, "Natural Forces")

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Deb

Not to split hairs, but I don't think it's accusatory to hold the opinion that an article is silly. Other "Cooking with Dexter"columns might be quite entertaining. Band content notwithstanding, for this not infrequent reader of the NYT, this this one missed the mark. I'm not in favor of shoving Mr. Wells off the nearest cliff or anything, but I hope he and Dexter cook up something a little less self-indulgent next time.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dexter was thinking "You'll get as much pussy as Frank Sinatra? I don't want a pussy or a doggie, I want a wabbit."



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Posted by:

Bandmate

Location: NJ

Subject: Big Pink

I'm listening to Chest Fever from Big Pink. This is a masterpiece from The Band!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Just asking………It was reported that Dexter sat particularly close to the screen during the Joni Mitchell segment……is it possible that a 2 year was thinking “why didn’t she sing a hit” or “Good God, let’s hope she doesn’t get asked to perform two more” or possibly “Hey, I’m only 2 but did Frank Sinatra really have that much luck”………


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Posted by:

Peter V

No, I think they're on the "other site" David. We're all reasonable here.


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Posted by:

David P

Peter, If Mr. Wells is truly a "dangerously obsessive fan", he no doubt would be responding to these accusations here in the GB in person :-).


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Posted by:

Peter V

David, someone who watches The Last Waltz – or even uses it as a child pacifier … fifty times in a few months is not a “casual fan of The Band.” I’d rate 50 x TLW in that period as “dangerously obsessive fan”. It shows a narrow musical palette for starters. And do you think little kids should watch that much cigarette smoking? What did Dexter make of the interviews?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Perhaps I am in the minority but this whole cooking and Chef Show part of showbiz that has exploded in prominence in the last half decade – led by the obnoxious Gordon Ramsay – is only slightly less offensive than the puke inducing celebrity gunk that fills just about every minute of all TV time. Most are just irresponsible shills for the meat industry and if that isn’t bad enough….at least have the decency to just leave a treasure like The Band alone….Is nothing sacred?


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Posted by:

Steve

Richard was putting into practice what he'd learned on that British Blues culinary show, Cooking With Rice.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Wrinkle-Free Steaks

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I don't understand the backlash directed at Mr. Wells. As a Times reader, I'm aware that the "Cooking With Dexter" angle is a regular column for the newspaper's dining editor. Although the most recent example displays some careless fact-checking, at least Mr. Wells, out of all the films he could have mentioned, chose "The Last Waltz", indicating that he's a casual fan of The Band.

Perhaps someone more familiar with the group's history would have chosen another recipe pairing for the article. What about Richard Manuel's method for cooking a minute steak on a clothes iron? Long before the George Forman grill was invented, road veteran musicians learned how to improvise meals on the go.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: Oh, puh-leeze!

Pete Wells' piece in the Times magazine is simply ridiculous. I presume his contract with the paper requires him to produce a certain number of food-related pieces when assigned, and since this week's issue was themed "The Screen Issue," they must have told him to link food and a movie. His need to tell the world just how astonishingly brilliant and cool his two-year-old is comes from some other need that he might better have examined with his therapist. At the least, he could have stopped with Ratatouille. The food connection to TLW is nonexistent, and the suggestion that a toddler should be providing newspaper critiques of adult movies -- and TLW is, at least in my view, an adult portion -- is just plain lunacy. (I must also add that although his recipe for spicy caramel popcorn, which appears on the same page as the article, looks interesting, someone will no doubt soon clue Dexter in to the fact that's probably not what one is intended to indulge in while watching TLW, except maybe after they get the munchies.)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Sadly, The New York Times is, in the words of Dexter’s least favorite artist, “not what is used to be”

Let’s hope Sebastian can present some answers soon as there seems to be very little being discussed around here lately…..


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Dexter's Shark Sandwich

If the precocious Dexter had watched "This Is Spinal Tap" that many times, perhaps he'd be sufffering from "severe metal disorders".

Than there's that other Dexter character from the Showtime cable series. He's a police forensic expert, who specilizes in bloodstain pattern analysis, while moonlighting as a serial killer of rather despicable criminals. Cooking with that Dexter could really be gruesome.


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Carolyn Wonderland

Link is to a vid of Carolyn Wonderland doing the Hendrix classic 'The Wind Cried Mary'. I believe we'll be hearing a whole lot of this young lady.



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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Deb, Dexter, His Dad and TLW

Deb, on food items you left out the most obvious example and the only food source to actually appear on stage. The Rhinestone Doughboy!


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Posted by:

Deb

Subject: Dexter, His Dad and TWL

For me, this piece falls into the "who do I see to get those five minutes of my life back" category. Near as I can tell, this guy simply wants us to know that his kid is way, way too hip to be into Barney or Sesame Street and that he himself is far too cool a dad to raise such a conventional member of the bourgeoisie. Or that his deadline was looming and he couldn't think of anything else to write. I suspect if the truth were told, Dexter doesn't care whether he's listening to Neil Diamond or Neil Young. Interesting that his supposed likes and dislikes correspond with what Dad considers cool. It's also interesting that Dad has seen the movie multiple times and doesn't know who's singing with Emmylou on "Evangeline".

As for TWL as a food movie, Mr. Wells missed some more connections at least as tenuous as the ones he mentions:

There's the purloined bread and baloney.

Dr. John and Bobby Charles are both from South Louisiana where there is a whole lot of good food.

Muddy Waters and Pops Staples both played the chitin circuit.

Ronnie Hawkins hasn't missed too many meals in his life.



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Posted by:

Herb

Location: the Indoor Garden

Whiney demonstrates again that opinions are like assholes, everybody has (or in his case, IS) one.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: New York Times TLW piece

Any parent that sticks a sub two-year old in front of a rock movie fifty or sixty times deserves the intervention of the local Social Services Department. It is child abuse. The writer seems the most complete arsehole I’ve read in a year or two. Kids watch what they’re put in front of. The lack of interesting and absorbing toys or material (like saucepan lids to bang if you have to stick to a kitchen) in the house or activities like being read to (or talked to, rather than talked at) would be the only reason why a healthy toddler would sit dumbly and watch Mystery Train fifty times. The only interesting bit connected to food at eighteen months old (when this torture started) would be the sight of the Staple Singers breasts, and I don’t recall those being prominent or exposed.

When our kids were little 25 to 30 years ago we used to run into a couple at playgroup parties who always said their two year old watched Yellow Submarine twice a day every day. At least it was a cartoon, but totally incompehensible to a child, and who abandons their kid to the TV as Mom four hours a day? And then can’t be bothered to select something designed for the age group? We ran into one parent a couple of years ago. The kid was arrested for drugs many times between 15 and 20, and is now permanently hospitalized with severe metal disorders. I wasn’t surprised.

The writer indicates a severe lack of quality control at the New York Times. The standard of writing would disgrace the pages of the smallest provincial newspaper. And come on, the bit about the two year old disliking Dry Your Eyes and the Robbie Robertson bits? Talk about reading your own prejudices into something!

“Watching that movie with Dexter, I learned how he responds to art.” “I think it was just the birth of that consciousness that, for the rest of his life, will shadow his joys with the knowledge that nothing is ever as good as it could be. By the time a roasted chicken’s legs are done, the breast is almost always dry.” Jeez! What a total prat! The Readers Digest would have found this guff indigestible. I only hope this Pete Wells Googles his name and finds this opinion!


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks Joan

But did he really watch it 50 - 60 times?: "the duet Robbie Robertson sings with Emmylou Harris on “Evangeline.”


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: TLW viewed by a 2 year old

This delightful piece appeared in today's NY Times Magazine. It is the weekly "food" column. I love that the movie so intrigued him. I have no comment on his "editing" of the movie, or his critical review. Ground neutral. :-D


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Posted by:

Steve

I heard Stephen Fearing play that guitar, Norm, and it sounded great. The story of the traveling bag/case is interesting as well.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Richard Manuel 1984


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm Band...still remember how great Amy was in Toronto, New York and New Jersey. :-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Daniel Lanois introduces Garth at Hamilton, Place, Hamilton, Ontario.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Rick and Garth 1999...others found as well.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The missing Link

Thank you for that Jan. I'm curious to know if you had heard of the guitar before. I'm surprised there had been no mention of it, at least that I have seen.


Entered at Sun Nov 15 21:41:50 CET 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279400630.dsl.bell.ca (76.66.26.182)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie Robertson and Leonard Peltier


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The guitar

Unfortunately, the web won't click up, but if you type in your search what I have displayed it comes up fine. This is a story every one will want to read.

The guitar, (ten years in the making) as well as wood from the golden spruce, contains a piece of gold from Maurice Richard's Stanley cup ring, wood from Pierre Treadau's paddle, a piece of rock from the oldest rock on earth, 64 pieces of history in all. The story is too long to relate here, but very interesting. The guitar is beautiful in the picture, and apparently sounds very beautiful.

(Your link has been fixed. -- jh)


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Historical guitar

I'm hoping this site will work for every one, if not, it is.... www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2006/06/30/guitar-canada.html

I told some time back, the story of the phenomenon in Haida Gwaii, the golden spruce, native name Kiidk'yaas.

This was a huge spruce tree, that had golden needles on it. Many pictures can be seen by googling it. The story of the crazy man who fell it, and his misterious end. The wood from the tree is used in this historic guitar.


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Posted by:

Steve

I didn't really know much about Palin, you can't learn much from a couple of incoherent sound bites, so I actually took 10 or 15 minutes to look through what Wiki had in her profile.

First , is that picture of her with the acres of Alaskan cleavage exposed artificially enhanced? I'm guessing she grabbed the male and lesbian cabin fever vote in the elections she won. Anyway, that northern exposure ate up all the time I could spend on her profile today, I hope to get further next time.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Lars / Ilkka

Lars, i'm touched by your post, the truth is that i naturely believed that questions of war and peace in The Band GB have no chance to fall in the personal circle, every thread Steve ever initiated is pure delight

Ilkka: i always believed that there is nothing about religion that you don't master, i am not sure if you're joking now, but your question pointed me on passage from an article i read lately in a local newspaper [linked above, print version to avoid ads], from Jacques Attali,
sample (translated from French) -
""...Islam as Chiristianity refuse to admit that they are issued from Israel... [...] As many Christians refuse to admit that Jesus is Jewish. The Christianity said it with an extreme brutality: He [Christianity] is the true Israel...."


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Sigur Rós: Heima

Sigur Rós (see link), a group from Iceland, Heima is a doc. about them:

"Last year, in the endless magic hour of the Icelandic summer, Sigur Rós played a series of concerts around their homeland. Combining both the biggest and smallest shows of their career, the entire tour was filmed, and now provides a unique insight into one of the world’s shyest and least understood bands captured live in their natural habitat."

Haven't seen it myself yet, but they say it's good.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Boat That Rocked

… that's what it was called here. The essential facts … there were indeed offshore pirate radio stations, just like this, brought down by the government … are true enough. The bit about girls on board for parties at intervals feature in DJs memoirs too, and a lot of that rings true. The musical chronology was a bit dodgy, and I thought they threw far too much money at the camera in the last ten minutes. The film would have worked had it been smaller, without the big finale. I thought the finale steered it in an Austin Powers direction, when it might have worked better tighter and less over the top. There were genuine "incidents" with pirate radio, such as when one nearly got driven ashore by a storm, and another which had set itself up on an abandoned concrete "sea fortress" out in the North Sea found itself attacked by armed men with sub-machine guns who were attempting a takeover.

The big criticism here (Sunday Times) was that writer Richard Curtis distorted reality to his own political prejudice, in that Kenneth Branagh as the politician plotting to destroy pirate radio dresses, acts and lives like a cliched 1950s Conservative. In fact, pirate radio was destroyed by Harold Wilson's Labour government terrified of another centre of power / information out of their control. To a degree they had a point, as an hour a day got sold to some Right-wing American Evangelists by one station (they eventually opened their own station). But to those who were young at the time, the real reason was a load of uptight, undemocratic, controlling Labour politicians. It fits a snobby Conservative well as played well by Branagh, but that's not how it happened. And I have no bias here as I loathe ALL politicians.

The soundtrack album is excellent. Even better is a 3 CD set "Rockin' With The Pirates" which came out at the same time and has the more obscure stuff the pirates played. In the pirate era, we never listened to anything other than Radio London and Radio Caroline in the South, or when I was in Yorkshire, Radio 270. It may seem weird in North America, as all they were doing was trying to be and sound like American radio, instead of being the BBC.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Speaking of pirates, I caught "Pirate Radio" last night. Very fast and entertaining. Don't think much of is was true but the soundtrack was fabulous. Also love Bill Nighy. He never seems to do much other than stand there in any movie I've seen him in but he does it so well.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: NWOBHM: Iron Maiden Flight 666 (2009)

Top-download on Pirate sites is the doc. "Iron Maiden Flight-666" I'm told. To my surprise they all look pretty normal, well sort of, where the Trash Metals from Metallica, seen in "Some Kind of Monster" (2004) look e bid roguere.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Location: The dictionary

"rogue" also means "behaving differently from other similar people or things" so in physics you can have a "rogue particle". However, the dictionary does add "often causing damage" as in a "rogue gene" or a "rogue police officer." The collocation that sprang first to my mind was a "rogue male" in a pack of lions.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Charlie, perhaps she's just too stupid.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Goin' Rogue....

I suspect that it's like Jesse James: we remember the legend, and forget, ignore or question the idea that someone who robbed banks and trains might not have been the very cream of society.... and 'rogue' is easier to say than 'maverick'... which has too many tom cruise connotations anyway...


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim

Web: My link

Subject: "Observe & Report" soundtrack includes The Band.

The Band's version of "When I Paint My Masterpiece" is included in the Seth Rogen '09 flick & soundtrack.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Another Verbal Mystery

The Band always came up with wonderful titles for their albums, with "Stage Fright" being my personal favorite.

Can anyone explain why former Alaska governor Sarah Palin's book title proudly proclaims she's "Going Rogue" (or going "rouge" as one parody put it)? WEBSTER'S defines a rogue as a "scoundrel" and a scoundrel as "a mean, wicked or immoral person." I think she just wants that TV show on Fox so she can rake in more than $20 million a year like Glenn Beck. Speaking of rogues...


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Posted by:

Peter V

None of the three. It's a rhyme with "Noel." That so often explains the mysteries of lyrics …


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: The lead singer of The Band

I believe only BRIEN SZ understands this question.

BOB DYLAN is singing in "Christmas In The Heart" the following: "... born is the King of Israel". Is it a statement, a provocation or a mockery? For a Lutheran like me it is just what I've learned in the 1st grade at the elementary school. - As always PETER V does not understand a thing and calls this deep thinking historical masterpiece a fiasco.

About my multiple posting: I use a mobile connection with a tiny screen and often in a car or in the woods with poor lighting conditions. Well, NO excuse really...


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Posted by:

Deb

Nice! Thanks for posting that, Dlew.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Sam Bush, solo, does a Dylan song

Thought some of you might like this.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Rick Singing for Children

Now that I think of it, Rick did have a wonderful sense of humor that made his interpretations of children's songs a delight for all ages. I love his version of "Blue Tail Fly." I can imagine what he could have done with "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious."


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: not quite finished...

Rick: lead on 'chim-chim-cheree', Richard, Lead vocals on 'Bare Necessities' and 'everybody wnats to be a cat', Levon definitely on zip-a-dee, Richard, Circle of Life,


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Great Disney Songs...

I think 'chim-chim-cheree' from 'Mary Poppins would hvae to be near the top... 'when you wish upon a star', from Pinocchio,Zip-a-Dee-doo-dah, definitely, 'circle of Life' from Lion King', 'Bippety boppity boo' from 'Sleeping Beauty', 'Everybody wants to be a cat' from Aristocats', 'Bare Necessities' from Jungle Book... it's a long and terrfic list - I'd better stop there...


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Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Hi Ho

Charlie: And what better way to get into the holiday spirit than to listen to Mr. Waits' "Christmas Card From A Hooker In Minneapolis". (video link above) Gives new meaning to the term "Heigh Ho" :-)


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Tom Waits for No Man

David: I guess they picked Tom Waits to cover "Heigh Ho" since he always nurtured his image as a man who spent time in the lower depths of society. I'm not explaining that beyond suggesting a YouTube search for Mr. Waits performing "The Piano Has Been Drinking" from that classic cult TV show, the Martin Mull-Fred Willard masterpiece, FERNWOOD TONIGHT.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Music news..

Some may be interested in this music news. From my inbox as usual.

Yusuf Islam, aka Cat Stevens, on tour after 33 years By Douglas MacLaurin

LONDON (Reuters) - British folk singer Yusuf Islam takes the stage on Sunday on his first full tour since 1976, when he was still known as Cat Stevens and was famous the world over for hits like "Wild World" and "Morning Has Broken."

Now 61, Islam is about to seal his gradual comeback to the world of pop music after disappearing from the scene altogether following his conversion to Islam in 1977. He recorded a new pop album "An Other Cup" in 2006 and followed it up with "Roadsinger" earlier this year. The singer said his recent recordings had encouraged him to embark on his first tour in 33 years.

"Thirty-three years is a long time, and I suppose I never imagined that I'd be going back on tour again," he told Reuters at Elstree Studios in London where he has been rehearsing for his four-date tour.

"But things change and when I started to make music again and making records the yearning came to ... do it for real. When you're live it's that much more vibrant, and you're that much closer to the audience ... You can't beat that kind of music."

Being on stage was an important antidote to recording, Islam said, noting the technological advances since his chart-topping heyday in the early 1970s. "Everything has become a bit more digitalized. It's a cut-and-paste job now, you can do it on a laptop.

"The real material stuff and the physical stuff has become so kind of virtual that it's not real, quite simply, and that's why the road thing -- getting on the road -- is so important because it's real," he said in an interview. CONTROVERSY

Islam has had his fair share of controversy during the past decade, most notably when he was deported from the United States in 2004 after his name appeared on a "no-fly" watch list designed to weed out suspected terrorists. He ran afoul of authorities who alleged he supported charities that ultimately funneled money to terrorist groups, but the singer has denied the allegations and has frequently spoken out against terrorism.

Despite the misunderstandings his conversion to Islam have brought, the singer said his life outside the pop world had given him experiences he otherwise would not have had. "A writer writes from his experience, and the more you experience the more you can write. I suppose that's another good reason for the 33 years, because that gave me time to do a lot more than I could ever have done as a pop singer on the road.

"And having that chance to get a life means that my music and my words and what I put out now have that much more validity I suppose."

Islam's aptly-named "Guess I'll Take My Time Tour" opens in Dublin on Sunday and continues in Birmingham (November 23), Liverpool (December 5) and at London's Royal Albert Hall (December 8).

He has promised to perform old classics as well as music from his two recent albums, and the shows will incorporate elements of a musical he has been writing called "Moonshadow."

Writing a musical has always been a dream for Islam, who grew up in London's West End surrounded by theatres and shows.

"My songs have always been about telling stories and a lot of them are about journeys and that's what music, my music, is about," he explained. "Moonshadow is about a boy's journey from a dark world, a place where there is only night time, to another world of sunshine and glorious light and happiness."

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The Who to perform at SuperBowl: report Fri Nov 13,

By Monica Herrera NEW YORK (Billboard) - The Who will perform at Superbowl XLIV, marking the British band's first performance in North America since 2008.

According to a report on SI.com, the Sports Illustrated website, the veteran band will take the stage during the halftime show of the 2010 National Football League championship game, scheduled for February 7 in Miami.

The NFL has yet to officially confirm the report, saying, "When we have something to announce, we'll announce it."

During a recent stop on his "Use It or Lose It" solo tour, frontman Roger Daltrey told Billboard.com that he and bandmate/composer Pete Townshend were working on new material for the Who's followup to 2006's "Endless Wire."

"Hopefully if this tour has done it's job, I'll be in really good form as a vocalist," said Daltrey. "And who knows, we might make our best work."

Townshend has acknowledged working on two projects -- a new musical called "Floss" and the Who's next album, which he has said will include some pieces from the "Floss" project.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Stay Awake

Garth performed "Feed the Birds" (from Mary Poppins), included in a medley, on the Hal Wilner project "Stay Awake: Various Interpretations of Music from Vintage Disney Films" (1988). Los Lobos covered "I Wanna Be Like You (The Monkey Song)" (from The Jungle Book), originally recorded by the late, great Louis Prima. Nilsson performed "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah" on the compilation. Some of the most interesting pairings included Tom Waits doing "Heigh-Ho", Sinead O'Connor on "Someday My Prince Will Come" and NRBQ's take on "Whistle While You Work". The compilation's most listener-friendly "hit" was the lullaby "Baby Mine" (from Dumbo), performed by Bonnie Raitt with (Don) Was (Not Was).


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Posted by:

Peter V

There are some great Disney tracks to cover … Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah is where I'd start! A Band Disney tracklist anyone? Levon lead vocal on Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, I think.

On vinyl, you should check out some recent Madness releases. They come as new heavy-duty 7 inch singles, and the sleeve designs are great pastiches.

"Sorry" is an old Island single with the label scratched off as DJs used to do to conceal their discoveries, part of a secondhand sticker from the Record and Tape Exchange in London, stains, tears etc all printed on.

Even more fun is "Dust devil" which comes in an "Disques ex-Jukebox succes" sleeve, so not only ex-jukebox, but French ex-jukebox, with Scotch tape repairs etc. Every vinyl fan should have one (plus Madness have been making great comeback records associated with the Liberty of Nelson Folgate album.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Los Lobos & The Band

Today's WASHINGTON POST "Weekend" section includes a great review of the new "Los Lobos Goes Disney" collection, and the reviewer lists The Band as kindred spirits to that veteran band from East Los Angeles. I somehow can't quite imagine The Band covering Disney songs (though Garth did it solo once, didn't he?) but I'm sure they would have sounded better than ever if they had.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Yin & Yang of Twang

Recent Nielson SoundScan figures show that two, completely opposite, categories of music sales continue to rise. Single-track digital downloads will surpass the one billion mark this year. On the other end of the spectrum, vinyl sales are up 37%, having already reached two million before the holiday sales period. While that figure pales in comparison with that of digital downloads, it's still quite respectable for a niche format that supposedly died decades ago.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Days of Significance

I saw the play last night, 'Days of Significance,' which is about two soldiers sent to Iraq. It was very powerful, very well done by the Royal Shakespeare Company and included (fake) onstage vomiting, one quite long scene of "pointing Percy at the public" (I assume it was prosthetic, but maybe not) and several bits of simulated (I hope) urination on stage. Yes, all the things modern theatre includes, plus language that would make the cast of "The Wire" blush. But it was a very powerful statement on the war.

As you will have read, 64% of the British public believes Afghanistan is "unwinnable" and 62% favour withdrawal "as soon as possible." You can't sustain action and getting young men killed in the face of that public opinion.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Universal Soldier

His orders come from far away no more,

They come from him and you and me..........

The concept of that soldier has never changed. Why is there not the demonstations there was in the sixties?? against this. The "Eve of Destruction" is closer at hand than it ever was. Now there just seems to be nothing but spectators and no one really does anything any more, like sheep.

Looking at the amount of parents receiving corpses every day, and the kind of people that are shown every day, Steve, I don't think your concept of the average soldier holds up any more.

I'll drop you a note soon Lars. Thanks, I was most relieved to hear your young one over seas is doing well.


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Posted by:

Bill M

When speaking of soldiers and war, especially her at the GB, there's always some utility in considering Virgil Caine and his song. Even in just somehow humanising the 'bad' guys of history in much the same was as "All Quiet on the Western Front' did.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: I Come In Peace

I'm not sure of course, Lars, but I don't think Empty's post was about individual soldiers. It's not individual soldiers who decide where or when the armed forces get deployed.

I know this is putting it into financial terms but I don't think it's the average citizen ( avg. income $42,000) who joins the forces. It's seems to be the lower than average income citizens who make up the bulk of the military. As in the rest of society those of more than adequate means, if they enter the forces at all, do it as officers from military colleges entering the work force at about the level they would in the regular economy.

The most interesting part of your post, to me, is how joining the military is seen as the right thing to do. Where does that notion come from? Is it nature, nurture or necessity?

What would it take to redirect that notion of , the right thing to do, to the kind of work your daughter is doing in Africa? Maybe a new dept. of gov't with a trillion or so dollars a year to spread around with the cream off the top going to all the usual suspects, of course, would help speed up the process.

The part of your post about just wanting to get out of harms way reminds me of the WW2 vet in The PBS documentary The War, who said that everyone he saw arrive at the front in Europe came with a reservoir of bravery that lasted til the first serious fighting started. Once you'd seen how random survival was your bravery vanished and you just hoped to survive. Youth, skill or quick reflexes didn't count for much when artillery shells are raining down on you.

A literary note; The picture on the cover of Hemingway's, Snows Of Kilimanjaro is soon to be a curiosity. The ice fields seen as snow on the cover will be gone in about 6 or 7 years.

The ice fields were first mapped in 1912. When they were mapped by satellite in 2005, 85 % of the ice cap had melted. IN the last 4 years 26% of what was left has disappeared.

When the last of the ice finally melts in or around 2016 the main source of income for the gov't of Tanzania will disappear with it. The 50,000 international tourists who visit the glaciers each year make up the largest source of revenue for the gov't. Kyoto, anyone?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Lamont Dozier

Lamont Dozier 45s …I found his solo "Sight for Sore Eyes" on Warner Bros recently, then Scarlett O'Hara on the Demon label. After the fall-out of Invictus / Hot Wax and then the HDH record label, Lamont Dozier seems to have done all sorts of stuff with all sorts of labels. i've never tried to look it up, but the point is, it's consistently worth hearing!


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Posted by:

Peter V

David wrote:

Joan: Thanks for the Fender link. I recall reading that Robbie had recently received a new custom-made Strat built to his specs.

That’s funny, I just read that Elton John just received some new custom-made specs built to look like a Fender Strat.



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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: I did it

I just met Lamont Dozier at a Book signing and I asked him specifically about "Don't Do It." As you might expect, at the time it was "just another song." One of four they have to knock out for Marvin on a deadline. In the group was also "How Sweet It is."


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Lars - you are correct in that they train to survive and keep the unit alive. Only strong as the weakest link. A civilians patriotism is often very different from a serviceman's, in that for the average person it is more of an ideal where to the soldier it takes an actual shape and form and they become the embodiment of that ideal. Now some can't buy into that, but most do in the form of 'the guy next to me is my brother,' and the pride of service and the history of it. I know that with all the training that one goes through, there is plenty of pride in your country, your unit and yourself that is drilled into you as well.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: Joining the service . . .

. . . or your number comes up in the draft, like Mr. Steve's, and you join to keep from being drafted.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: the peaceful woods of upstate NY

Subject: philosophy of war

EMPTY NOW- "We do not fight to harm men, but to conquer states."

I've been thinking about what you said and it's an interesting statement. You may be right. But speaking for the average serviveman (not the lifers or the officers or the Pentagon) I think we fought to stay alive. I think the average American youth joins up because he thinks it's the right thing to do. I also think that after a few weeks in boot camp that same youth will sit down on his bunk and realize that he might have made a mistake in enlisting. Once he becomes part of the machinery of war, he's not fighting out of patriotism. He's fighting to save himself and his platoon mates from being wiped out by this machinery of war. If orders were cut for him to be released early....and just go home and live in peace....you can bet your bottom dollar that he would be glad to see those orders come through. And he would go back home with the hope that he never has to go to war again. But I'm just talking about the lowly grunt, not the American politician who sells his vote to the highest bidder.


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Posted by:

David P

And thanks Jon for the Levon tribute link!


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Da Strat

Joan: Thanks for the Fender link. I recall reading that Robbie had recently received a new custom-made Strat built to his specs.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Fender Guitars

Jemima Surrender" I'll bring over my Fender and play all night for you."

Article on The Fender Guitar Company.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: John Lennon Tribute

For the NY Metro area folks.. Or anyone else interested/


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City
Web: My link

Subject: "Tribute to Levon Helm" concert...

Just saw this advertised in today's Village Voice: a Tribute to Levon Helm concert with Kris Kristofferson and Hubert Sumlin, among others, taking place this weekend in Queens, NYC. See link!


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Steve

I was attentively googling after some anything to understand better the current thread and the intricacies between Springsteen, Clemens, and who is credited for Patti Smith's "Because The Night" (belongs to lovers)..

when i ended up on the following text somewhere on the internet, i thought i'd better to make of it a breaking post, given the after-current thread
"There is principle of humanity by which the men imagined that they could make themselves masters over the life and freedom of their fellow men. It seems that the right of war has to extend to there. There is a wellknown claim that the life of the loser belongs to the conqueror, and that it is less barbaric to remove freedom from your enemy than to remove life. But on what is the foundament of the belief that his life is in your power when he is unfit to infringe in yours? They say we do not fight to harm men, but to conquer states."
it's a good framework for a forthcoming Springsteen-Knopffler song


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Posted by:

Steve

The battle for hearts and minds moves from AFG. to the USA. It's important that Americans hear a different voice than that of the military's when it comes to what the actual situation in Afghanistan is and what direction the gov't should take. The weight given to the pentagon in foreign affairs has so completely squashed the State Dept. in recent years it's encouraging to hear a voice from that side in such an important matter.

Canada's parliament passed an all party motion 2 years ago to withdraw our soldiers in July 2011, which means our stay there will be more than 9 years.

Our Neo-Con minority gov't has been muddying the waters recently about what exactly will happen in 2011. Obama has been "asking" that we stay on a little longer, "til the job is done".

This week our top general announced he's sticking with the motion passed in parliament and starting preparations to move our soldiers and their equipment home. His Neo-Con bosses are not happy. Like Bush, Cheney and co. they don't feel the least bit bound by the rules or spirit of democracy.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Web: My link

Subject: Bruce/Rick related, maybe...

I've been listening to a lot of Bruce with a number of the early bands he formed in the early 70's. This one happens to be Steel Mill from 1970. The song I have linked is "Long Time Ridin" and as soon as I heard it I could almost hear Rick singing it with Levon helping out of course. I guess this was never released, not to bad for a throw away...


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Pat: I heard Clarence play "Jungleland" live with Bruce in Charlottesville, Virginia last year (shortly after the death of Danny Federici) and the song--and sax part--never sounded better. The only thing I didn't enjoy that evening was having to pay more to park than I paid to see Bruce and band back in 1974.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Charlie Y, certainly you've heard the story that the sax solo on Jungleland is in fact a compilation of countless takes over some eight hours. Bruce kept demanding more, and Clarence finally left the session more than a little pissed off.

And a heartfelt salute to all the veterans here and everywhere.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Tracy: I got a first printing of the Clemons book and the dust jacket bio of Mr. Reo contained what was apparently a typo claiming he created M*A*S*H, so it will be interesting to see if they correct that on future printings. He was one of many writers over the long tenure of the show, but--as you said--was not the creator of it.

As far as dismissing the sax work of Mr. Clemons as "simple," I'd say simplicity is a gift. Listen to him on "Jungleland" or on the unreleased live 1974 radio station versions of Duke Ellington's "Satin Doll" and tell me that isn't brilliant playing. I'm no expert on instrumental virtuosity but know what I like. I know there are more technically perfect jazz sax players than Clarence Clemons just as there are much better bluegrass mandolin players than Levon Helm, but I usually like invention and originality over technical perfection. Otherwise I'd spend my spare time on some Yo-Yo Ma site. Or sleeping.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: The Met.

Interesting news:

Opera-loving Scottish widow leaves millions to Met By Jill Lawless, The Associated Press

LONDON - Mona Webster had two passions: birds and music. The Scottish widow, who died in August at the age of 96, travelled the world well into old age in pursuit of both. In her will, she left the bulk of her 10 million pound ($17.3 million Cdn) fortune to New York's Metropolitan Opera and a British nature charity.

The BBC and British newspapers reported that Webster's will bequeathed the opera company and the Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust about 4.5 million pounds each. Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust spokeswoman Jane Waghorn confirmed Wednesday that lawyers for Webster's estate had informed the organization about the bequest, but not the amount. "We believe it's substantial," she said.

The Metropolitan Opera did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Britain's Royal Opera House and the Royal National Lifeboat Institution confirmed they had received smaller bequests of about 100,000 pounds. Royal Opera spokeswoman Elizabeth Bell said the company was grateful for the donation - and not jealous of the New York opera's larger sum. "She was a friend here for many years and had given other generous donations in the past," Bell said. Mona Margaret Webster was born in 1913 on the Isle of Man, the daughter of a lighthouse keeper, and grew up on the remote and wild Orkney islands, where she developed her love of birds.

As a young woman joined the civil service, working in London during the Second World War blitz before moving to Edinburgh. For years she worked for the Inland Revenue - and invested wisely, building up a substantial portfolio of property and shares.

A gardener at her Edinburgh home, Webster also went on music-loving and bird-watching holidays with her husband Ted. She continued her travels after his death in 1981. The Royal Opera said she attended performances into her late 80s.

Webster died Aug. 27 in Edinburgh. The family's death notice in The Scotsman newspaper said she would be "remembered particularly for her love of music, rare birds, her gardening and embroidery skills."

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: Clarence and a clear up

First off, I'm not a massive Springsteen fan. I was looking forward to Clarence's appearance at B&N since the May IBPA (Independent Book Publishers Association) appearance. I started getting an idea when my own book was to be released.

I have no idea what goes on with the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction committee. I was only reporting what Clarence said. He did not elaborate on the technical aspects of why he was pissed off other than stating The E Street Band has not been inducted yet. A lot of artists who have not been inducted aren't that happy. But, lets face it. It is Jann Wenner's show. It is the Rolling Stone Hall Of Fame.

On a personal note, I think Clarence is one of the greatest rock and roll saxophone players. Every note counts and it's part of the band, not just an arrangement for a horn part. It intertwines, but hey, this a Band site so I will digress from anymore opinions on sound. I'm not a folkie. I love The Band but I don't need for every other artist to sound like them or compare them to.

Oh yes, and right when he came out, Don Reo corrected the lady from B&N by stating he was NOT the creator of M*A*S*H.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: We will remember them, remember them

Fittingly, Mark Knopfler has a song entitled "Rememberance Day" on his new album "Get Lucky". With its fine lyrical tribute, soaring lead guitar and a children's choir, it seems most appropriate on this solemn day.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Check out the above clip for a taste of some real talents


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: The Band

The song "Tunnel of Love" always had a "Chest Fever" echo to me. There's something there in the melody. Different tempo, but it's there.

Another group influenced by The Band was the latter-day Byrds lineup. I just stumbled on a wonderful film on YouTube of a 1970 version of the folk classic, "Old Blue," as interpreted by McGuinn and company onstage in Holland. It's makes me think of The Band in some ways. There are also a couple of surreal videos on YouTube of the Grateful Dead on Hugh Hefner's "Playboy After Dark" that are well worth watching.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Kate Smith's theme song.

LINK: Love this lady and this beautiful song.

CYA soon xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Trivia

November 11....

1905- Editor William Bok of Ladies’ Home Journal called the Morris chair, which sold for $31.00, “a hideous piece of furniture.” The (very popular) Morris chair was named after William Morris, whose Morris & Company produced home furnishings. The chair had an adjustable back and loose, removable cushions. Editor Bok probably wouldn’t have been so critical had he known that the Morris chair (and others of similar design) would evolve into the big, soft, cushy, recliners we enjoy today.{ I remember these when I was sick when young].

1929- Andy Kirk and His Twelve Clouds of Joy recorded Froggy Bottom -- in Kansas City.

1938- Kate Smith sang God Bless America for the very first time. It would later become her signature song. Irving Berlin penned the tune in 1917 but never released it until Miss Smith sang it for the first time on her radio broadcast.

1944- Frank Sinatra began a long and successful career with Columbia Records.

1946-A crowd of 17,205 showed up at Madison Square Garden to check out the new NBA team in town. The New York Knickerbockers, or Knicks, as they are known, played Chicago -- and lost, 78-68.

1984-13-year-old TV star Gary Coleman (of Diff’rent Strokes) underwent a kidney transplant in Los Angeles. He had undergone his first transplant operation at age 5.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

On Bruce - for a synth and drum machine oriented album (Tunnel of Love), it is one of the better ones out there.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Also, I believe Tunnel of Love is considered a solo Bruce album--mostly synths and drum machines.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Tracy, for the sake of accuracy, let's not forget that Boom Carter played drums on the song Born To Run, and that his insane two bar pattern during the bridge was beyond Max Weinberg's ability to duplicate. Also Bruce released Nebraska, the Seeger Sessions, and Ghost of Tom Joad without the E Streeters.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: My inbox stuff is a true blessing.

LINK: I just found this and found it beautiful. Check out the bottom for some good music. Patsy, Elvis and more.

Til we meet again xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Change of pace: music..

Interesting music news for those interested.

BillboardLive.com lets viewers choose camera angle to watch free concerts online.

LOS ANGELES - A new website allows music lovers to watch concerts for free online, choosing from five different camera angles as they watch.

BillboardLive.com says its new concert-viewing website offers visitors different perspectives on performances by Alicia Keys, Usher, David Archuleta, Daughtry and other artists yet to be announced.

Music fans can select from five different views as they take in full concerts by these artists, focusing solely on the drummer or guitarist if they choose.

The site also allows visitors to use Twitter or Facebook during the webcast without leaving the show. The application is also available on the iPhone. New concerts will be added through February.

Founder Michael Williams says the site is "reconnecting artists with their fans, for free."

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: God Bless all who have fought for our countries.

LINK: Remembrance Day Tribute for our Canadians.

God Bless you all. xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: God Bless

Link: To ALL veterans, not only in the USA.

Luvya all xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Remembrance & Veterans Day wishes to all.

LINK: Thought you all may like this one. It came to me in my inbox today. Will have more later on

Thanx to all who gave me well wishes for my daughter. She is doing fine now. Everyone should get the H1N1 flu shot, as you never know when it will hit you and where. I will be getting mine when all the hoopla has died down. I have the regular flu shot, and the pneumonia shot. Glad I did.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Steve

Lars, I've heard the story of Pvt. Price many times but the story always began with his squad entering Mons and ending with him bleeding to death from a chest wound a couple of minutes before the official end of the war. This morning I heard the story of the libel suit that went to court in 1928 in an Ontario courtroom over an article written in The Port Hope Evening Guide about the orders issued by Canadian General Currie that day, Nov.11 1918.

At the beginning of the war the British had been defeated at Mons, Belgium and the Germans had held the town since then.

Even though Currie knew taking the town from the retreating Germans was pointless and that the war would end that morning, as a bragging right he decided to send in his troops to fight for the town even though the Germans had already mostly packed up and gone. People on Currie's staff later said he wanted to prove he could do what the British had been unable to do.

Pvt. Price was killed by a sniper who hadn't yet left the town.

A popular book was written after the war by a soldier in Sir Arthur Currie's army called, Generals Die In Bed. Currie was shunned by the Canadian Military and political class after the war but still landed a prestigious job as President of McGill University in Montreal.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Tracy's Book Signing Story

Tracy: I hope you someday have a crowd like the one you described in your excellent tale of the Clarence Clemons booksigning. I used to go to a lot of those big signings when I lived in NY. One of my favorites was when Graham Nash and Stephen Stills signed an authorized book about C, S & N. Nash got there early and walked down the line talking to people. Stills got there at noon, reeking of alcohol. God knows where Crosby was, but I managed to get him to sign that book years later after he'd cleaned up his act. I still regret missing a Frank Zappa book signing in DC, but so it goes.

The odd thing about the Clemons book is that his co-author claims he created the TV show M*A*S*H when it was actually Larry Gelbart who did that.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Steve: You're saying that since vinyl doesn't deteriorate as quickly as CDs, then my Aerosmith records are going to be more effective at keeping the grackles away in the long run? Good to know!

Cwipple C: I think it was Mike DesWosiers in Heart, not Wosen. Isn't it only the stuff from "Steamboat Annie" that counts as CanCon? That would have been a justifiable decision, given that the Americans in the group (i.e, just about everybody) were Landed Immigrants at the time so met the legal standard. (I believe that the Wilson sisters moved north to be with their respective partners, one of whom was the group's guitarist and one of whom was a roadie; both were doing their best to avoid Vietnam.) Howard Leese had come up the coast to Vancouver a couple of years earlier with his own group, Zoo (or was it Chocolate Moose?), who became Songbird; for all I know he may have taken out Canuck citizenship, which he'd still have, presumably.

JQ: If you can't get Jack Bruce to sing, then I can't think of a better stand-in than Felix Pappalardi (when alive), but if you can get Jack Bruce ...

Since I mentioned him yesterday, I'm listening to "Dancing Alone", the wonderful CD tribute to William Hawkins. I see my computer thinks that it's playing Ronnie Hawkins' "Songs of Hank Williams", which is amazing when you think about it. Dunc especially, there's a nice Cockburn offering on this CD, and also a couple by Brent Titcomb, who is now a member of Tom Wilson's side-project, Lee Harvey Osmond - who are most definitely worth a listen too.

Speaking of BARK, it wasn't until the last three songs that I thought the BARK CD had anything worthwhile on it that isn't also on the best-of CD. And then up comes a Willie P Bennett gem, followed by an astounding punkish (Teenage Head-ish, actually) version of Bruce Cockburn's "Nail Me To The Cross" and a great original.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Veterans Day/ Lars

Well said Lars. Veteran's Day has become another excuse for sales and shopping.I think very few think of what this holiday means.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Well said Lars and David….I just removed my Poppy as silence came to the airwaves of Toronto….


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: WW1

11/11/11:00 A.M.- Ninety one years ago the men in the trenches waited for the war to end, only minutes until a deliverance. Yet the fighting continued to the last minute. Even after four years of horrible carnage, some men still wanted to fight. The last Canadian soldier was shot and killed by a German sniper at 10:58 AM.

In memory of those poor bastards caught up in the "Great War" that was supposed to end all wars. And to all the veterans who continue fighting to this day. I hope they found peace in the end.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Bruce Spingsteen....RRHOF

The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is one of those subjects that you know is just silly to take seriously ( a bit like sports ) but can’t help talking about…..so here goes……The Hall does have a “Sidemen” category and greats like James Jamerson and Johnnie Johnson are in – very deservedly. I can’t imagine anyone taking seriously the thought of the E Street band being considered in this company. Where would it end……..should L. Cohen’s band be put in as well…some have been with him for 20-30 years……what about Madonna’s dancers? Springsteen without the E Street band is about the only time he has done anything interesting. Am I the only one who has found Springsteen’s use of Clarence Clemons over the years highly embarrassing….”here you go big man….blow something silly and simple…it won’t impress any of us but it will surely turn on the square headed frat boys in the audience” ………….Besides…..until The Faces are put in the Hall….I am staying out of Cleveland…………..


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Posted by:

David P

A special thanks to all the veterans. Happy birthday Sandy Helm.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I kissed a girl; for the first time...

Peter: Shane Warne, upstanding moral example from cricket blamed banned substances from a tablet his mum gave him: but 'I kissed a girl who took it'? Might explain technical correction of Neil Young at The Last Waltz!


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Posted by:

Peter V

It may be like Top of the Pops TV show rules in the late 60s / early 70s. Singers had to sing with the awful studio orchestra unless their bands were on a royalty share on the recording. If the bands (Billy J. Kramer AND The Dakotas) were on a share, they could perform with the band.

This led (e.g.) Simon & Garfunkel to march straight out of the studio when they heard the elderly and often mildly inebriated studio orchestra and refuse to perform. It was an arbitary rule, but there is a logic fuzzily in the background of it.

TENNIS NEWS - just heard BBC morning news. It seems some tennis player has been caught with cocaine in his system. He claims it can only be because he kissed a girl who must have been using it. Fascinating defence. So none of those rock stars were cokeheads. They just kissed lots of girls?


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

I think the sticking point is not the personnel changes over the years but rather that the albums were always credited to Springsteen alone, not Springsteen and the E Street Band, even when the E St Band backed him--with the exception of the live multidisc set released in the mid-1980s. As a result, the R&R HOF recognizes only Springsteen as the credited artist for the purposes of the induction. Compare to Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers or Elvis Costello & the Attractions, where the members of the backing band were also inducted because the band's name appeared on the front cover and spine of the early albums (even though both Petty and Costello later released albums under their individual names as well).

Forgive me for finding these regulations incredibly silly, especially for an institution that claims to honor music that represents rebellion against arbitrary rules.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Pat,

Clarence was referring to The E Street Band in any incarnation. Besides Sancious, there was Vini "Mad Dog" Lopez before Max too. Then of course there is Nils who joined the band during the "Born In The USA" tour after Van Zandt had left. Lets never forget Danny (R.I.P.) either. Springsteen was inducted as a solo artist. Everybody knows it's Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band. Yes, he has recorded solo records but that was in the early 90s. His success came with The E Street Band early on, even before Jon Landau took over for Mike Appel and Co. with "Born To Run."


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Posted by:

Pat B

Tracy, was CC inferring that the E Street band should be recognized by the RRHOF apart from Bruce? Excluding live albums, it seems to me that Bruce has recorded almost as much music without the present version of the group as he has with them. And his signature tune, Born To Run, along with the first two albums, were driven by David Sancious, who left the group soon thereafter.

And congratulations on the book.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Geez Pat. Think nothing of it.



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Posted by:

Pat B

Gosh, Jeff, thanks for giving me another chance.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: Clarence Clemons book signing from NYC

I've been meaning to tell my story, so here it goes. I got to meet Clarence "Big Man" Clemons at the 66th St. Barnes and Noble. It was an interesting evening. Anybody who has ever attended one of these signing gigs can inform me, because this is the first time I've ever gone to one. A long list of directions were passed around to all of the participants or customers or fans, etc. No flash photography. No posed photos. No video or audio. No personalized autographed signatures. The only item to be signed were copies of his book. Some other things but I don't have the list in front of me. Anyhow, we waited in line on the third floor.

After purchasing our books, we were let in to a large empty room with rows of chairs and sort of a talk show type of look to it. Every row was filled with fans. Clarence arrived with a handler and waved to everybody. The audience went crazy. Remember, this was a bookstore. Ten minutes in hiding behind a wall, he came out with his buddy and co-author Don Reo. They fielded questions. I admit I'm not a massive Springsteen fan, but these people are PASSIONATE about the music. I'll go over some of the highlights because I can't remember everything that was said.

The guy I was sitting next to was exactly what I stated about Springsteen fans...PASSIONATE. He was the first person to ask Clarence what transpired into over an hour of questions and answers. The guy asked Clarence how he felt not being listed as the top rock'n roll saxophone players by Rolling Stone like Bruce is constantly ignored for his skills with lead guitar. Clarence dismissed the slight by saying he doesn't play for those people (Rolling Stone) but for the fans. Enthusiastic applause followed.

Asked what band he wished to be in if not The E Street Band, he stated The Rolling Stones. (This could be a testament to both bands longevity or maybe he was serious.)

A young boy asked Clarence if he's sick of playing any particular song. Naturally, Clarence said, "No."

A fan asked about the camaraderie of the band mates. Nobody mentioned the word ‘brotherhood.’ They did claim to notice though the way Clarence and Bruce would huddle together and share what would seem like an inside joke unbeknownst to the audience. Clarence said, “Oh, we were probably talking about what we would have for dinner after the show.” Again, it was said they really look like they have fun on stage.

Clarence was asked what he thought about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. “Oh. I’m pissed off at them. They refuse to recognize The E Street Band is a band.” This was a fact when it was Bruce who was inducted…not with the band. But, as we know The E Street always joins their main man on stage and they were a part of the 25th anniversary concerts a week later at Madison Square Garden.

Some things were brought up about the technical aspect such as arrangement of songs. (Basically what I wanted to bring up). Some other subjects were about stories in the book. How much would be truth and how much would be fiction. Reo answered some of these things.

Another one that popped up on ocassion was the setlist played or sometimes the dates of concerts people remembered.

One woman raised her hand just so she could say, “I love you and your playing. We all love it.”

The signing was very organized. Each row would get up and go to the table. One could barely say anything to Clarence when getting their book signed because chances were he had already signed it and passed it to Don to sign. Two handlers bookended the table. One was Clarence’s handler who would take the book out of a customer’s hands and open it to the page and send it off to him before you could get there. The other was an employee of Barnes and Noble. In the end, yes, I brought a copy of my book for Clarence. Hey, gotta promote somehow! I had just enough time to literally toss my business card to Don Reo before the next person was ready to get about five seconds to say something. It was enough time for me and my mission was accomplished. The very vocal guy I mentioned about is a comic book artist as well as a rabid Springsteen fan who wanted to pass along a set of book designs for Clarence to give to Bruce. He told me Jon Landau is very hard to get through. Arlen does some amazing artwork too. All in all, it was fun and Springsteen fans are not selfish or know-it-alls. Really open to new fans. They love informing the uninformed or uninitiated into their world. Not about self-entitlement or age. There were definitely some young kids who were getting started off the right foot in their education of rock’n roll.


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Posted by:

Cwipple Cweek

Location: Perth

Subject: Mike Rosen

The Name Mike Rosen sounds familiar.Did he end up playing with Heart ie of Anne and Nancy Wilson?The Wilson sisters were American but I know for Can Con purposes ie CRTC they were a Canadian band. Anybody have thoughts on the CRTC regualations and if they helped our boys with airplay?Or would they have got Canadian airplay regardless. Alway interesting as a teen listening to CKLW Detroit/Windsor (the big 8).It was effectively an American radio station but was required to play a certain amount of Canadian songs.My brother always argued that they must have got away with playing the Canadian songs in the middle of the night.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: A local paper's take on Rock & Roll NY style

Landmarks and venues.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Various

JQ, sticking in my two cents, though it be worth no more than any passerbys, "Theme...Western" was a song of notoriety for Mountain. Their version was and always will be superb, to me anyway.

I caught Jack Bruce do it solo, playing piano, back at or near the beginning of this decade. In St louis. It was during a Ringo All Starrs shows. Beautiful, powerful, extraordinary rendition. One of those moments.

Pat. Your choice of the word concern is inappropriate. It was impossible to not notice that you ignored all the questions directed to you about Levon's concert. I simply wanted to give you another chance to either answer or avoid answering anyone's question of what you thought about Levon's concert. It's not too late you know!


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Posted by:

Steve

Thanks, Tracy, I'll let my brother in law know of her passing though he probably already knows. He told me about seeing her and her famous son about a year ago.

Bill, I think you're selling short the real value of those two discs.

Nothing works as well at keeping starlings and grackles from snipping the leaves off young emerging bean plants as compact discs. You put a picket in at each end of the row and then take a piece of baling string and tie it to the top of each post making a little CD line over your plants. Then you suspend a CD with another piece of baling twine about every 3 or 4 feet along the top line letting it hang about a foot above the plants. It takes very little air movement to keep them swinging back and forth which seems to make the birds too nervous to concentrate on snipping off the leaves.

You need a constant supply because they only last a couple of years. The sun, rain and wind eventually cause them to start to deteriorate.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Theme from an Imaginary Western

Bill M - What's your call between Jack Bruce & Mountain's version? Was Mountain's a semi- hit record? I've had JB's on my i-Pod a good while and can't quite recall Mountain's.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Thank you for that fine effort!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Ah, but another point … Jim Litherland was Mogul Thrash's lead guitarist. Mike Rosen doubled on rhythm guitar and trumpet. The original name was "Jim Litherland's Brotherhood" for the first few gigs, with Dire Straits' future manager Ed Bicknell on drums. Then it became Mogul Thrash.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dundee Horns

Originally these are Mogul Thrash's horn section, Roger Ball, Mollie Duncan and Mike Rosen. On the Bunch album, these three are described as The Dundee Horns "alternatively known as the Basing Street Brass." Soon after The Bunch's album, Mike Rosen departs and the other two join the AWB, and are known on sessions as The Dundee Horns.

So, happily everyone is right. There were three (only two from Dundee with Mike from Canada) then there were two, both from Dundee.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Re the Dundee Horns, although common sense would suggest that you're correct, I thought that the captioned photo on the back of the Bunch album shows Michael Rosen as a member too. (He was also AWB's original lead guitarist.)

Everyone should pick up "Songs for a Tailor", without question. Be sure to think of our guys when you listen to "Theme From An Imaginary Western".

As for Cockburn, which one did you end up getting?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Definitely Scottish

Simon:That's the line. Can you hear the Scottish accent on the original recording? Mine is in the hands of my brother up in Dundee so I can't check it out. Luke and you both really like your mono sets. Have you heard the pipes on Acadian Driftwood?

A popular book recently out up here is the Beatles in Scotland. Not read it yet.

Peter:By coincidence I'm re reading High Fidelity, just now. I think he's a good writer so will probably read the new one.

Bill M:I enjoy your posts. The Dundee Horns were Roger Ball and Molly Duncan. I've got my first Bruce Cockburn. Should I buy 'Songs for a Tailor'? Not heard it in 20 years, but really enjoyed a programme on Jack Bruce last Christmas.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Word on a Wire

Regardless of the price of your interconnect cables, it's most important to assure that each one is fastened tightly and making proper contact on the respective terminals. Every so often it's best to clean the connections to prevent any corrosion and re-tighten them. With speaker cables, make sure each of the two leads for each speaker are in the same phase alignment. Their terminals are color-coded (red & white or black) and the two wire leads should be marked in some way to distinguish the proper connection points.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Simon, I reckon the mono Dansette (or equivalent) ran in the UK until around 1968 or 1969. The “stereo Dansette” was the basic box with a plug-in extra speaker. I knew a friend who had one in 1965 and he only had Mutiny on the Bounty OST in stereo which he would use to demonstrate. From late 1966 to early 1969 I used to buy a record player ever couple of weeks. I’d get them from secondhand shops in Hull for £5, clean them with car upholstery cleaner (as they were all “leatherette”), spray the controls to eliminate crackle, put in a new 21/- (shilling) cartridge with stylus, and put them on the Student Union notice board for £10 to £12, and accept £9 to £11. When you were living on £5 a week, it was good money. I had lots of Dansettes (and Pye and Bush and all the others). Stereo in England is really 1968 to 1969 onward. I had another friend with a Bush stereo (basic record player and extension speaker) and he thought you put full bass on one speaker and full treble on the other … each speaker had tone controls. We listened to a lot of Grateful Dead and Doors like that and never felt the lack.

The speaker cable thing IS full of crap, but there is also a basic minimum quality. Bell wire is poor to anyone’s ears. you should be able to hear reasonable quality cable as better, but after quite a modest point it does become esoteric and magic. Good quality connectors definitely make a difference … I think more than the cable.


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Posted by:

David P.

Simon: Back in the day 45 mono single versions of songs were often mixed & mastered, with certain EQ, compression & other adjustments, so that they would have an added punch for radio airplay. Buck Owens, who owned several radio stations, was known to test play his recordings through car radio speakers, as well as the studio monitors. In record company vaults you can often find that there are three different mixes for hits from that era, including a single mix, as well as separate mixes used for the mono & stereo LP counterparts.

The trouble inherent in sound today is that so many recordings are mastered using too much compression to begin with, and then, unless some sort of lossless format is used, they are further compressed when they are downloaded to a portable digital device.

By the mid to late '60s many households in the U.S. did have some sort of stereo system, often incorporating both a record player and AM/FM radio tuner. (At the end of the decade, FM stations had begun to feature stereo album tracks, rather than the mono single versions.)


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Hoo-weee, look at that boy cipher!

He spends $2.33 and is left with a useful implement; I spend $1.25 and am left with two thin slices of vinyl. Game, set and match to Steve BoDean. As they say, naught goes into naught naught times.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Web: My link

Subject: Steve, for you

One little problem you made about Tyler/Tallarico. Ms. Blancha-Tallarico passed away last July.


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Posted by:

Simon

Peter - I've got to say I don't really understand what's going on re. video signals and whatnot but my basic grasp of what happens in audio with a cable from the amp to loudspeaker is it's simply AC. There are some wild claims made about quality of wire but as I understand it it's just transfer of an electrical charge from one copper atom to the next. The 'technology' of it is extremely simple because an element in the periodic table is simple. The idea that you have to 'break in' a cable or reverse it every few months to 'even out the wear' is nuts. I bought some new cable recently and the guy in the shop said that unless I owned a bar or had kids running around or I was prone to move a lot of furniture around on castors that all I needed was your basic wire. He did explain about some of the more extravagant claims made by manufacturers and rolled his eyes and said the lawyers often go over the advertising with a fine tooth comb and make sure that the wording is vague enough and often includes "you may" as opposed to "you will." He said you should never underestimate the placebo effect. In short, anyone trying to shill expensive amp-to-speaker cables deserves to be flipped a 'digital signal.'

Also some good points about mastering from David. One thing I'm interested in the idea that nowadays music is supposedly geared towards how it might sound on, say, an I-pod or mp3 player. But didn't a lot of classic 60s music get tweaked to sound good on a Dansette or transistor radio? We can bemoan this trend nowadays but wasn't it ever thus? I suppose it's because I've been reading a lot lately about how there was a bit of a lag between Britain and North America when it came to the type of systems (such as they were) that people listened on. Hence the apparent prevalence of mono over here even in the mid to late 60s. I think my parents had a kind of Dansette until about '70 or so. Then we had a 'proper' stereo (a so-called music centre, really). Did people across the pond have decent stereo systems in the mid 60s? I imagine we were a few years behind in some ways.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, my hand spade came in a set of three hand gardening tools that I got for $6.99 during the gardening off season ( January) at Canadian Tire. So my investment was $2.33. Investment in Aerosmith music, Zilch.

My brother in law that works at a hospital in New Hampshire near where Tyler lives told me recently that Tyler brings his mother in on regular basis for appointments at the hospital. I guess that makes him a dutiful son. Good for him. That's the good news.

My brother in law has spoken to Tyler on occasion because his mother comes to the dept. he works in. He said he was shocked the first time he saw him. He said without the stage makeup you could mistake him for his 85 year old mother's slightly younger husband. My brother in law said the first time he saw him he was limping and walking with a cane which exaggerated his already aged appearance.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, it's not all it's cracked up to be.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Brien, ProTools is very easy to navigate and comes with a number of session templates that will help you get started. The beauty of the software is that it can be as simple or as complex as you need/like.

To add to David P's excellent observations on mastering, there is also a need to make a collection of songs that can have radically different sonics appear seamless when played together. Mastering is you last chance to do that.


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Posted by:

David P.

Bill M: With certain instruments, like guitars & drums, a certain amount of compression is essential in recording to achieve a proper balance with the vocals & other instruments. As in the example you cited, a great many country recordings from the '80s also suffered from a homogenized trend in overly processed sounding guitars. It seemed as if all 1352 pickers in Nashville were playing through multiple effects loops, with the signal going straight to the board, before being compressed further in the mastering chain.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Mastering

David; Your resent post couldn't have come at a better time for me. I'm away this week, to finally get my CD master from Fast Eddy. I have been pondering what it is I should be listening for. This is early in Eddy's attempts at mastering, (the second one he's done I believe.) Although he has a great reputation as a sound engineer, and many people search him out for his recording services, I was wondering how I was going to gauge his work mastering, other than to compare the master to my first copy, off the recording work. Your explantions are most helpful, thank you. Now I can remember what I should be paying attention too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Thanks. My beef is that no matter how nuanced and distinctive it used to sound, much of the lead guitar work from the '70s seems to have been force-fitted into a spectrum that runs all the way from chainsaw to buzz saw.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: His Master's Voice

No matter how much care & attention goes into the actual recording process, whether it's in the analog or digital domain, an important & often overlooked key to how good it's going to sound is determined in the mastering process. Following the composition, performance, recording & mixing, mastering is the final creative step before the manufacturing process.

After the analog or digital multi-tracks are mixed down to a 2-track stereo master (today there may also be a surround sound mix, where in the past there was also a mono mix) the mastering engineer, through an equipment chain, makes certain adjustments to the sound, using equalization, compression, signal leveling, fades, etc., to balance & shape the sound. The downfall of a great many of today's recordings, in an era of what has sadly become known as the "LOUDNESS war", is that they are so overly compressed to the degree that almost all the dynamic range, even if carefully achieved in the recording process, has been squashed. At this point, no matter how good your digital or analog playback equipment is, the resulting manufactured CD or LP will sound terrible.

Many mastering engineers have complained that this trend of overly compressed sound is the result of the dictates coming from the recording labels, as well as many of the artists themselves, who mistakingly believe that loudness is the best way to capture the listener's attention. This has also been compounded by the changing listening habits of the public, as more & more people now, almost exclusively, listen to music downloaded to MP3 players, cellphone applications & other portable devices, which are used to provide music as a background while they're engaged in other activities.

What then, might you ask, is the key to mastering a recording properly? Replicating all the dynamic range, to a natural-sounding degree, is essential. The voices & instruments should sound as close to real life as possible, rather than as an artificially synthesized approximation. In addition to capturing the low bass & high range, without over boosting either end, the key lies in the magic of the mid-range warmth. Get all of this right, at the proper levels, and the result will sound like real music played in your listening environment, rather than a recording blaring from behind a wall in the next room, or through a window from the noisy street outside.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: If you're referring to Aerosmith, I have a copy of their excellent "Sweet Emotion" 45, and a beat-up copy of "Toys in the Attic" on account of ex-Hawk, ex-Suede Scott Cushnie having been an auxilliary group member at the time. That would add up to a total investment of $1.25 Canadian. How much was your spade?

Pat B: Must be nice to have someone so eager to hear your opinion. Sure never happens to me.

With the prospect of a long drive with no CDs before us, a stop at the library seemed smarter than a dash home. That yielded a number of worthy items, including "So Many Roads" with most of our guys, a couple of Harry Manx, the brilliant "Mali to Memphis" comp (by Putumayo, who I generally don't care for), BARK (their third album) and Bruce Cockburn's "You've Never Seen Everything". Pat B will appreciate Cockburn thanking someone "for the following (possibly apocryphal) quote from Nostradamus: 'Come the millennium, month twelve, in the home of the greatest power, the village idiot will come forth to be acclaimed leader'." My own favourite bit right now is the closing lines of the closing song, "Messenger wind swooping out of the sky / lights each tiny speck in the human kalei- / doscope, with hope". I've never seen such a clear example of the influence of Cockburn's original mentor, the mostly poet William Hawkins.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, your cable investment dwarfs the value of my sound system, but I'll stack my garden tool investment up against anyone's.

America's best selling band seems to be finally at an end. Though they may have raked in more cash than any other US band in history I'm happy to say I have more invested in my favorite garden hand spade than their music.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: quick view on protools before Pat gives authori

I found it pretty good: from memory, set out like a desk, so quite easy to get used to...


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Pat - Does Pro Tools have a big learning curve to it for simple 2 or 3 track mixing? I've been thinking about picking it up - the Mini version.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: A finger to digital cable?

Simon’s point about cables and interconnects struck a chord. I wanted an HDMI cable to connect a small LED TV screen to a DVD player in the kitchen. Ordinary DVD, not blu-ray. Nothing exotic. No 5.1 system attached, just a TV for watching the news. The store said “anything under £49” was rubbish, and suggested a £99 ($150) Monster cable. Remember the DVD player concerned is a vertical wall-mounted LG worth around £79, or £20 cheaper than the cable. This is for a very short run. HDMI cables start at around £4.99 (UK) or $4.99 (USA). Professionals travelling around with video equipment will opt for moderately expensive cables (say £20) for the quality of the connectors, because most TV cables are designed to be put in two or three times in their lifetime, so if you’re travelling around demonstrating video (as I used to do) you need a heavier-duty connector, because it’s taken out and put in daily. But these £100 HDMI cables are a con as far as I can see. I checked with two people who have video studios, and they use some £4.99 cables (where they’re permanently in place) and some £20 ones (where they need to be moved around). But the electron wafting (!) properties of the precious metals in £100 cables might JUST convince someone on analogue speaker cabling, but when you’re talking a digital signal, either it gets there or not.

But I’ve been conned too. In the early 90s we had a room rewired, and as it had a wooden floor I duly cabled in around £200 worth of speaker cable (at 1990 prices) as thick as my thumb in conduit pipe under the floor. It sounded way better than the sort of bell wire people used in the 1960s, it’s true. Then we sold the house. I cheerfully tried to pull the cable out, but it was stuck fast in the conduit and nothing could coax it out. I said to the buyer “You’ll have great speaker cable in here, all concealed.” He said he’d cut it off flush with the floor because they would use it as a formal dining area with no TV or hi-fi. It’s probably still there. In our next house I used “sensible” quality or about £50 worth. You do need better, thicker cable for longer runs with analogue cabling.


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Posted by:

Pat B

The quality of digital sound rests on the converters--as Peter V said--and ProTools recording hardware and software now have sampling rates that provide plenty of speed to accurately reproduce the entire audio frequency range.

Jeff, I'm touched that you think my opinion either has or hasn't value, but whether I post my opinion about things is something that shouldn't concern you, no matter how odd you find it.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: DC Finally Feels the Recession

Two concerts by big name artists scheduled in the DC area recently had to be moved to a much smaller venue. Both Steve Martin, who was not doing his standup act but rather playing bluegrass banjo with a band promoting his recent banjo CD, and Don Henley both had to move from larger halls to the smaller Warner Theater due to slow sales of their expensive tickets. I'll be going to see Los Lobos at the Birchmere on Sunday, the greatest band in the world at a bargain price. Long may they run.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Web: My link

Subject: The Freedom To Rock

Thanks to all for the well-wishes of my new book. As for Bonk's question, I left the contact information as well as the e-mail link. I don't want to get in trouble for posting prices on the guestbook. One of our very helpful staff can assist you in knowledge of shipping charges and form of payment. ;)

"The Freedom To Rock" is beginning to sprout some wings. Now available at the following book stores:

Bank Square Books 53 West Main St. Mystic, CT. 06355

Odyssey Bookshop (signed copy!) 9 College St. South Hadley, MA. 01075


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Well Pat, avoid is a word that describes your refusal to tell the several people who have asked you what you thought of Levon's show. I don't value your opinion more than I would the opinion of a passerby on the street ( maybe it has value, maybe it doesn't), but like others here in The GB, I find it odd that you have refused to discuss what you thought of Levon's show. Which took place early this summer.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Bum steers

Steve while I might be responsible for a ridiculous rumour or so (I tend to think of it as myth-making) I certainly would not give bad advice re hockey equipment. Steer bums are your thing though and I wouldn't presume to go there.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Juliet, Naked - Nick Hornby

Kevin J's comments made me want to suggest Nick Hornby's novel, "Juliet, Naked" to you all. I suspect you will find the story about an obsessive fan who runs a website for a musician who stopped recording twenty-odd years ago somewhat chilling. Thanks to those who recommended it to me. I had hairs standing up on my neck for the first twenty pages. All those articles analyzing the lyrics in minute detail. Has Hornby been checking in here? Scan it next time you're in a bookstore. I think you'll have to buy it.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Dunc: On the subject of Forever More, Peter V has kindly left me some room to strut my stuff. While I don't recall hearing anything from "Words on Black Plastic" on the radio, "She's Good To Me" from the first album was something of an FM radio hit when I first turned 'cool' in the early '70s. And because the DJs were reading from British promo material, they said that the group was "from north of the border" - so for years I thought they were Canadian. One of the Dundee Horns, Michael Rosen (previously from Eclection and later of Mogul Thrash), actually hails from Hamilton Ontario.


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Posted by:

Simon

Subject: Dunc/Peter/"The Beatles in Mono"

Dunc - Thinking back on something Luke M posted a while back: whether Paul McCartney uses a Scottish accent in When I'm 64. I think I can hear the same thing albeit only on one line of the song, namely "grandchildren on your knee" (yirrrr knee). Any thoughts on that Dunc?

BTW anyone sitting on the fence and pondering whether to get the "Beatles in Mono" box should just go for it. The mono versions of Ticket to Ride, Drive My Car, The Word, Paperback Writer/Rain, Taxman and most of Revolver, the whole of Sgt Pepper, Back in the USSR and most of the White album (to name just a few) are so far ahead of the stereo versions that it's a no brainer. I'll probably never listen again to the stereo versions except maybe for comparison. It reminds me of something John Lennon said - maybe it was in that Jann Wenner interview from 1970-ish - that the Beatles had a ballsy sound and in some instances anticipated heavy rock, even early on in their career. Absolutely true and anyone who thinks they were a bunch of noddyhead wimps would surely stfu if they heard this mono box.

Peter - Interesting stuff. I've been doing a bit of a rethink lately about digital ... it's certainly true what you say about the digital/analog converter being the crucial element. I've also been reading some threads at the L Ron Hoffman site and it's fascinating how some misconceptions get bandied about. For instance the idea that speaker cable can be (don't laugh) 'broken in' or 'directional'. It's pure snake oil. Copper wire is copper wire and that's all there is to it, provided it's intact and of a minimum decent quality - i.e. all one has to spend is between a fiver and a tenner. It blows my mind that gullible people would spend a four figure sum on a pair of speaker cables. Yet they do. There's a lot of shilling going on in that world. But some of the 'Hoffmen' have an aversion to the idea of double blind testing and every discussion there seems to reach an impasse. Some of the more extreme audiophiles on that site remind me of religious fundamentalists; it's just as well there are a few dissenting reality-based counter arguments.

I also find it curious that so many people object to the idea of having *any* trace of compression/limiting on a recording. (I know that that's a bit different to using it when remastering). Yes, there are some horrendous examples these days but if a person claims to be ultrasensitive to compression and totally against it then I wonder what they make of, say, "Revolver" or classic mid 60s Motown. A major reason why "Revolver" sounds the way it does is because it was pummeled by the Fairchild limiter. Ditto a lot of Sgt Pepper. The Beatles wanted Geoff Emerick to do that. Paperback Writer in mono sounds the way it does because they squashed the dynamic range on that track. Could that also be one of the reasons it sounds so damn good?

Sorry about the lack of Band content but I honestly can't think of anything at the moment but I am looking forward to Sebastian's 'feedback' on all those questions.

P.S. Serenity, I hope your daughter is OK and gets well soon.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: H1N1 & Dave

DLEW,JOAN, KEVIN J: Thanx heaps for your concerns about my daughter. I'm sure she will be OK. Tried phoning, but she's probably resting. will call her again later.

Here's Dave's guests this week:

Monday, November 9: Bill Murray (The Fantastic Mr. Fox), Gabourney "Gabby" Sidibe (Precious)

Tuesday, November 10: "Jungle" Jack Hanna, Shakira (CD, "She Wolf")

Wednesday, November 11: Kate Walsh (Private Practice), Andrew Agassi (Book, "Open"], Norah Jones (CD, "The Fall")

Thursday, November 12: Kid Scientists, Amanda Peet (2012)

The Cribs (CD, "Ignore the Ignorant")

Friday, November 13: Mariah Carey (Precious and CD, "Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel"), Comedian Kumail Nanjiani

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: TNTDTTPD

Did anyone else catch Frank Rich's op-ed column in Saturday's New York Times? The headline was "The Night They Drove the Tea Partiers Down".


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: If your stiil on the fence about H1N1.

The stat I heard today for Canadians and Americans is that 1 in 250,000 unvaccinated people who get the H1N1 will die. That's getting close to the odds of winning a moderate sized lottery.

With all the hoopla over the 20th anniversary of the Berlin Wall going kaboom and the requisite replaying of that Governator sounding sound bite of Ronnie Ray Guns I'm actually seeing a useful role Ronnie could play today.

First stop on Ronnie's dead diplomatic world tour could be the south western US. Pick your state, Texas, Arizona Calif.or New Mexico. Ronnie accompanied by a FOX TV crew could call out in his best B actor seriously exaggerated sincerity , Mr. Obama, TAKE THIS WALL DOWN!

he could then depart on his world tour beginning in Israel then on to India , Korea and so on.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Just cutting and pasting your deep thoughts, Jeff. But why avoid the question?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Serenity

Hope your daughter recovers soon. It is a wicked strain of flu.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Serenity

Speaking of H1NI....Best wishes to your daughter......


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Dylan Lip Syncing!!!

Dylan lip syncing: Picture the scene….you’ve spent a good part of the day leading up to the show convincing your girlfriend or friend or wife that the Dylan show that night will be great….now you have to explain that his voice definitely will not sound anything like the Blown’ in the Wind image they have floating around in their head….ok that’s accomplished…now you explain that they will not be able to make out any of the words of the first 2 or 3 songs of the evening due to sound problems and Bob just having to warm up….….you also explain that others around her will get quite excited a few songs into the night because the great man would have played a song in this show that he hadn’t played in the previous 10 or 12 shows….you lean in and whisper that you know this because you check his song list every morning on his website ( she make a mental note unbeknownst to you to sleep alone this night! )…....Now imagine the shock if suddenly a switch was flicked and Dylan was doing “Floater” with his Lay Lady Lay voice rather than his Love and Theft voice…..The Horror and the laughter!..................How could such a ridiculous rumour ever get started? Next thing you know someone will be telling me that he is going to do a Christmas album…..

Norm: Thanks for the update……………..Also thanks to Steve, Brien and Joan for your takes on H1N1.

At the risk of being tossed out of the Faces fan club.....a confession: I was dragged to "This is It" on the weekend and was stunned at good it was. Trust me on this one...the man was in great form and it would have been a sensational show......


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Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Somewhere quite nerdy today

Subject: digital to analogue

This could all be mindless rambling. So much listening to music is subjective. Some days I think Whispering Pines sounds sublime, most days in fact. But when it catches me in the wrong mood (particularly if I'm distracted by something else, rather than listening) the voice grates. Same with I Shall Be Released. Richard isn't background music.

A lot of dislike for digital recordings is down to the quality of different digital / analogue converters, as well as mastering. I bought the old Atlantic 45 single secondhand of Judy Clay / Billy Vera’s Just Across The Line (aka Country Girl /City Boy ) and thought it knocked out versions on CD compilations totally. I recorded it onto CD (on a Philips CD Recorder off a good deck, not via USB) and put it on my iPod (Apple Lossless) and it sounded much the same. Then I got the CD of the original album and it sounded weak on my computer and weak in iTunes compared to the version from the single. Then yesterday, I put the CD into my “best system” to play it to a friend (I’d only used it in my office or car before) and it was phenomenal … because that Myrad CD player has a way better d/a converter than my iPod or my computer. I even did a David-style comparison and put the single back on the same system. Yes, through that Myrad CD player and amp, the CD was better. On my cheaper Sony / Technics office system or computer or car, the vinyl single itself (office), or the iTunes recording of the single sounds better than the iTunes recording of the CD or the original CD itself. That’s probably why the super-duper systems have a digital / analogue converter in a separate box to the CD player. And, yes, the compression is different on the single too. And also maybe I was just in a more receptive mood and there's nothing objective at all.

Back to music rather than technology, if you feel like a new track today, try it out. The title on the CD version is Just Across The Line, but the single has the title printed as Country Girl, City Boy (Across the Line). Judy Clay & William Bell on Private Number are definitely in my Desert Island Top Ten. Judy Clay and Billy Vera duetting are another great contrast.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Dylan as producer.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Very impressive display of self awareness there, Pat. Keep up the good work, maybe one day you'll prefer analogue recording and sound to digital recording and sound.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Hee Haw

LINK: A bit of humor from Archie Campbell. Birthday boy. Some music included. Try the "Rindercella" one. Very funny.

NORM: You will love these...

TRACEY: CONGRATS!! Wishing you well with sales. Keep us up to date.

My daughter got hit with the H1N1 and now has pneumonia. She's doing as well as can be expected. Didn't have to go to the hospital. Resting at home where it's quiet and comfortable.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Tracy

Congrats! Where can I get one in BC?


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Jim Lehrer

Charlie Y - You've got the right guy there! I've seen him speak and he was damn impressive all right with fairness & knowledge as his professional code and integrity as his co-pilot!


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Posted by:

Steve

Good to know I was at the right site, Tracy, when I ended up at Christine's site. My internet is so slow I gave up after being there for 5 minutes trying to find your book. I'll return to it.

I was wondering , Joe, if you might know the only African in Twillingate. So, who gave the doc the bum steer when it came to putting on his son's hockey equipment?


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Posted by:

Tracy

Web: My link

Thanks for all the well wishers!

My book is already released. I am extremely thankful to a wonderful friend, Christine Ohlman. Yes, the Beehive Queen gave me a quote before the book was published. She is fantastic. I was surprised she was willing while trying to get her new CD finished. Christine was the only musician, or anything music related (writer, DJ, roadie) willing to give a spot of her time.

I offered "The Freedom To Rock" to an independent bookstore in Mystic, CT. Bank Square Books and now it sits with many other books. YAY!! So, if anybody happens to be looking for it... It's there.


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Posted by:

Tom

Subject: Dylan Lip Sync Ha Ha

I sort of gave up on Dylan live a few years ago.But after hearing tapes of his present tour with Charlie Sexton on guitar,I'm psyched to see see him again.He and his whole band sound rejuvenated.Lip sync?.First I've heard of that ridiculous rumor.


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Posted by:

joe j

This has SFA to do with music but... a good documentary on my family doctor can be accessed at the CBC Radio site. Click 'Sunday Edition', then podcast, then 'My...Twillingate'.


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Posted by:

Steve

Charlie, you can see why these guys might look to Deferral Dick and AWOL George as the kind of guys they'd follow into battle.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: An Impossible Way of Life

Thanks Peter. I never knew about Forever More, which is surprising, until you told me, considering the Dundee connection. Beautiful Afternoon is a really good track. The myth I was brought up on was that they met at Dundee Art College and became AWB. I saw them in the earlier days and I know of one lad who jammed on stage with them in those great early days when every city seemingly had a million bands and thousands of LP shops. Playing the white album(AWB) just now and it still sounds very fresh and great.

An impossible way of life. Too many casualties, including Robbie McIntosh. I re read Billy Connolly's biography this week and how the impossible way of life could have led to his death. Reminded me of Richard. I don't think Robbie Robertson was unreasonable. Time to move on?


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, why would you be interested in the opinion of a miserable, nasty, self impressed schmuck?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Fair and Balanced

I realize it's not fair to mention Jim Lehrer's youthful service in the United States Marine Corps without mentioning what the big names at Fox News did in their past. Sean Hannity served his country as a bartender, Glenn Beck (who made $23 million last year) served as a "morning zoo" host, and Bill O'Reilly toughed it out in the trenches as a movie critic for the MIAMI HERALD. It's inspiring, isn't it?


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Glad to hear Dylan's show was wonderful, Pat. I don't think I've seen him since the very early 2000s, but I've never been disappointed.

BTW, what did you think of Levon's show in Chicago?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Congratulations Tracy

How are the sales?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Jim Lehrer, War Dead...and The Band

Someone told me that "This Week" with George Stephanopolis is not the only TV show with weekly memorials to American war dead. Jim Lehrer's "News Hour" on PBS also apparently posts names and photos each week. Mr. Lehrer served in the United States Marine Corps. I plan to watch him more often. Most of the other TV news programs are from entertainment companies and their content reflects that.

Almost all of the original recordings of The Band were recorded during the Vietnam war era and I think the influence was immeasurable. Without a draft these days, most young Americans feel little connection to Iraq or Afghanistan. The music they're producing might be a bit more substantial if they did.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

I love that story, Lars--and I'm glad there were no goats on that farm. If Roz were around I'm sure she'd have some goat tales (tails?) for us...


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods of NY

Subject: Fame in a rural setting

I remember Rick used to tell a story about The Band doing a fundraiser for a fire department in rural Arkansas (I may be wrong about the state, but it was in the deep south). They played a set for the locals and one good old boy came over to Rick after they were done.

"You boys sound pretty good, said the farmer. "You ever think about turning professional?"

So, with that in mind, I'd like to wish Tracy all the best and I hope she gets her new work published. Don't get discouraged. "Many are called, but few are chosen."


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Posted by:

T.L. oh hell, just call me Tracy

Web: My link

IIka, Nope. Not T.R. I decided to go the J.K. Rowling route. First name initial and middle name initial. As it is, people who had no idea what kind of book I wrote figured it was either romance or chick lit. They are surprised and sometimes disappointed that it is not since I am a female writer. It's about music and it will shock people.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Sweden / Lars

No, I am not from Halden, Norway. There might be one or two Band fans in Halden, too :)))))

In opposite to that I drive a car thru MOHEDA (a country village mentioned in Lars' post) every once in awhile, mostly in the night because I take this abandoned scenic route from Denmark back to home instead of the monotonious freeways. That is high land in the South of Sweden where the most of Swedish immigrants moved to the US from. This road is narrow and very slippery in November and April but I don't like McDonalds at the freeway. It is better to have your own sausages in vacuum Thermos(R) flask instead.


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Posted by:

Steve

That's true , Peter, but I prefer 60's Dylan, it's just a question of personal taste as usual. If I'm paying for the ticket and the performance is going to be lip-synced I'd go with 60's Dylan.


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Posted by:

Peter V

That's a bit harsh, Steve! I'd say seventies would be good to, certainly up to 1978.


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Posted by:

Steve

I think I'd prefer lip-syncing by Dylan, at least for half the show but I'd want a 60's Dylan track running on the lip-syncing songs.

Empty, when I read most history related to religious conflict I'm reminded of why I prefer Monty Python's interpretation of biblical or "religious history". What a wonderful world it would be if the cheese makers did inherit the earth.

Hopefully most religions will move in the direction of Western Christianity where it seems the believers mostly only believe in believing at this point.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: lip-synching

I assume that most hi-energy dance shows are partly lip synched because no one has that much breath / breath control. I can’t see Dylan ever doing it either. I assume he likes his voice how it is. However, I’m told another aspect is boosting where a performer can sing live but has a pre-recorded vocal track running in an earpiece, and can bring it in at the touch of a button (or an engineer can) to hit that particularly hard note. I saw Andy Williams a few years ago, and either the guy is a walking miracle for his age or he was having assist on the high notes. They were simply soaring too perfectly to be true of a live performance at any age by anybody. I would guess that few singers even of the Britney kind lip synch the whole show, but use it as need be for dance routines or the difficult bits.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Beautiful Afternoon

Dunc, no, I never knew Robbie M, but I saw him play. The other two were in Mogul Thrash (and played on The Bunch's album). I was playing Forever More's Beautiful Afternoon the other day, and if you said to someone young enough not to know, "This was a Top ten Hit in 1968 /69 / 70" they'd believe you. It sounds like it should have been. I always think it would be a perfect track for a movie set in the period about a band, because it's so obscure that few have heard it, but it sounds so immediately catchy. In one of Simon Napier-Bell's books he comments on Forever More that it was one of the cases where he really believed in their talent and they should have been a major band.

I recall them being very excited about Words on Black Plastic selling well in Canada … the only country to appreciate them.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Britney, Britney, Britney....

Ms Spears is the 'singer' at issue. Without endorsing nor claiming to enjoy any of her music, I think that it is not completely unreasonable that she lipsyncs: it is, by all accounts, a very high energy dance show, and miking, breathing and projecting could well be impossible. Dylan would, I suspect, make such a hash of deliberately syncing that any promoter who tried suggesting would very quickly reject it. It is said that John Landis, while doing the Blues Brothers film had real difficulties with Ray charles and Aretha Franklin, which is why both of their sequences don't feature much of them, and are 'cut' multiple times.

I'd be more annoyed if I went to see a great musician and s/he lipsynced. Britney (I mean, 1400 bucks?? erm. No thanks). But if Clapton, or Levon lipsynced (and I've picked two artists whom I know wouldn't - Levon, should he ever read this, will probably hunt me down and shoot me for even using him as a ridiculous example), I'd be upset... course they won't (and are still performing 30 and 40 years down the track...)



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Posted by:

Pat B

I saw Dylan a week ago and it was a wonderful show. There is no way Dylan could lip-sync a show. It's way too off the cuff.

I've been listening to the first three Traffic albums a lot lately. Dont' Be Sad, Cryin To Be Heard, and Means to An End are very Bandesque.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Down Under

Subject: The Shame - Dylan Live

Even before the curtain has risen on the Australian leg of Bob Dylans' Never Ending Tour, the U.S. pop performer has already become embroiled in a local furor over lip-synching.

A debate about entertainers who lip-synch or mime their performances to pre-recorded music has broken out, tied to Dylans arriving Down Under for a 15-concert stint beginning with a pair of shows in Perth on Friday and Saturday.

After reports emerged that Dylan would be lip-synching in his tour's shows — for which ticket prices range from $97 Aus. up to $1,475 for VIP seating — even the government has weighed in on the debate.

New South Wales Fair Trading Minister Virginia Judge has suggested that a law be enacted to impel performers who use pre-recorded music in their performances to carry a disclaimer on their tickets and not be allowed to bill the performances as "live".


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Southside
Web: My link

Subject: the music

Stormy Friday nights seem to be when I catch up on the GB.

Liked your piece Empty. Peace to you too.

Been listening to a lot of Traffic this week. I hadn't been a fan. Might reconsider. I think I owned the wrong record, 'Mr. Fantasy'. Link is to vid of 'John Barleycorn'.

Played Dylan's 'Must Be Santa' on Poker Night at my place. Many guffaws, bad jokes and good imitations. Then it was "Why the fuck don't you just let it play on?". So I did. Nobody complained. I won fifty bucks. Happy Xmas.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: JQ/ Empty

JQ, I just finished before I logged, sending the Daily Show link to some people. It was excellent.

Empty, It is nice to hear from you, but I must say your link was unsettling. Where will it end? Is there an end?. Perhaps not as long as "Mine is better than yours" exists.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Glen Beck

Jon Stewart performed a pefect piss-take of Glen Beck last night - it's at the Huffington Post site. How long do you think will it take G Beck to assign blame for the shootings to President Obama?


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Posted by:

Dunc

That should be band not Band.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: AWB, Peter

Bought the four rereleased AWB Cds over the last few months and playing Forever More.

Peter, did you ever meet Robbie McIntosh, who I think was the third Dundonian in the Band alongside the Dundee horns?

Enjoying Endless Highway, Live at O'Tooles and John Fogerty's new one.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: I screwed up

Illka- My apologies. I don't know how I got Halden mixed up with Moheda......although both names have six letters......Anyway, my Swedish "daughter" (exchange student) came from Moheda, in southern Sweden. Our second exchange student came from near Stockholm; a town called Uplands Vasby. Her father runs a cable tv company. Our third student came from Linkoping and her father was vice president of Saab Aircraft. He's retired now and he lives in a really nice home on the Baltic Sea.

Steve- I agree with you that it's rather odd to have a psychiatrist from the Mideast debriefing (or treating) our people who have just returned from the war over there. However, hindsight is 20-20. Maybe he seemed to be very good at his job, I don't know. But I do know that our soldiers are being rotated into combat too often. I think there should be a ceiling on the number of deployments a soldier has to serve. Like maybe two. One would be better. None would be ideal.

Personally, I'd like to see our politicians taking turns in the fight in the Mideast. Take an even number of Democrats and Republicans and let them drive the vehicles that are getting blown up over there. If we could thin out enough of Congress, we might have a better chance of getting our people out of harm's way. Permanently.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Steve & War

boh! some people just like warring as some other like peacing, so let warring who wants to war and let peacing who wants to peace, the world always worked this way, and get rid of the last war see what the next one will bring you as delightful news

alors... , i don't doubt you're aware how the next war started , but as long as The Band GB is sleeping, in the link is an interesting (long but worth the read) document to have a serene perception on how everything began(in 651 AD)

i like the passage "I see not a fruitful future for your nation " gee...! awesome of actuality


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Another shooting in US

What's happening to people? Another shooting in Orlando, FLA. Shooter at large.

(CNN) -- Firefighters and police responded to a reported shooting Friday at a high-rise building in Orlando, Florida.

Authorities received a report shortly before noon of a shooting on an upper floor of the office building, said John Tormos of the Orlando Fire Department.

CNN affiliate WESH reported that at least eight people were shot at the Gateway Center -- a 16-story building.

Police cars and emergency vehicles surrounded the area, video showed. It also showed people fleeing.

LOVE AND PEACE [ IF ONLY THIS WOULD HAPPEN] xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Steve

Norm, I think the added fact that this is a psychiatrist trying to help people who've been physically or psychologically injured by Muslims that this guy obviously identifies with would make for a strange relationship between doctor and patient. There must have been a great deal of hatred of Muslims expressed by the returning soldiers expressed to this guy. What a situation.

I can't imagine my uncles and his comrades returning from 4 years in a Japanese prison camp being treated by a Japanese Canadian doctor. While not an identical situation it surely has some parallels. War is hell.


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Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: USA

Subject: Halden, Sweden

HEY ILLKA!!!! You're in Halden? I had an exchange student from Halden. Do you know a family named "Hakansson"-got a funny little circle above the 'a'?

That's pretty much southern Sweden, isn't it?

Anyway, it's a small world. I have to go pull an irrigation pump before we get a hard freeze. They say it might be 27 degrees tonight..........anyway, let me know if you know Jennie Hakansson or her family. Skoal.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Strain

The sadness felt this morning, and the shock only adds to the strain of these horrible conflicts. I have for a long time had a feeling that a person who spends their life listening to and trying to help with the emotional problems of others, some how absorbs many of these things.

As a "Military" confidant, who knows what horrors this man had to listen to and try and help with, and sort out. His own emotional cup must have been over flowing with no end of these situations. Obviously more than he could handle. Being one of the people who is commissioned to deal with this type of situation and sort it out, it is obviously over looked that he also becomes the victim of emotional over load. How horrible for all these poor families and brothers and sisters in arms who are on the front lines in having to deal with this.

Isn't it time to step back and take a look at the validity of all this confrontation action??????


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Posted by:

Ilkka (do you see double - or triple ;-)

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: 1. ) Old-time religion 2.) Plura's cookbook

1.) My favourite song in "The Last Waltz" is "Old-time religion" and, consequently, my favourite words are those from Mr. Robertson: "It was not what it used to be". - Unfortunately some (more or less) religious sects are active in this time of the year. In the end, they are after the money from the old people. No sect mentioned, no sect forgotten.

2.) "Mr. Eldkvarn", Plura Jonsson (mentioned in related artists), has written a cookbook: From South of France via Stockholm to the Swedish westcoast (btw. not so far from Halden where this site is situated).


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Tracy's novell (on the serious side)

You signed with "T.L." In the good ol' pink coloured LITTLE PINK days it should have been "T.R.", right? - None of my business. (Double?) congrates anyway :-)


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: To "westcoaster"

Pooooh!!! You recommended me to visit a shrink and I had this US Army psychiatric in my mind. Luckilly, I never had the time.

YOYOYO - Peace and love, see ya soon, take care, luv ya all, you are a gem.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: War Is Hell


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: And Those Who Die in Iraq and Afghanistan Each Week

I know Fox News spent 50 straight minutes covering sketchy news from the shootings at Ft. Hood today, but each Sunday I try to watch the program end of ABC's "This Week" with George Stephanopolis, the only solemn weekly tribute to those young American military people who die each week. Generally there are about a dozen names, average age 23, lots of Hispanic surnames, lots of sad stories. My next door neighbor's son is in Iraq. Let's remember them EVERY week--even if they get only one minute on ABC and none on Fox.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: And just heard the horrific news from Texas

Hope noone here is affected, adn thoughts to those who are...


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Is that the 3 legged pig joke?

A bloke visits a farm, and while he's there, he notices that the pig acts like a dog, but also has 3 legs. the bloke asks the farmer, 'So, what's the story with the pig?'. The farmer replies 'Oh, she's a good pig, that one. Once, the tractor rolled on top of me, and the pig pushed the tractor off.'

'And that's how he lost his leg?'

'Oh, no. Another time, during the bushfires, he dragged us all out fo the homestead while it was burning down adn we were asleep.'

'Ah, and lostg, that one. Once, the tractor rolled on top of me, and the pig pushed the tractor off.'

'And that's how he lost his leg?'

'Oh, no. Another time, during the bushfires, he dragged us all out fo the homestead while it was burning down adn we were asleep.'

'Ah, and lost his leg that way...'

'Oh, no. A third time, during the drought, he dug deep and found some arterial water, which saved our lives'.

'Ah - so that's how he lost it.'

'No. Pig that good, you don't eat him all at once.'


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Bill M

HAHAHAHAHA! I remember that joke.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: Not only is your line still very funny, but it's also been reminding me all day of the joke that had me laughing the hardest and longest I've ever laughed in my entire life. I couldn't possibly tell it here, but in case anyone knows it the last line, coming from the mouth of a judge in the US South, is "Yup, a good goat'll do that."


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Lars

I know Guillan-Barre is wicked. I'm sorry you were afflicted with it and glad you conquered. There has been no evidence with this vaccine that it is happening. Something had been "wrong" in the 80's vaccine. Probably in the manufacture of it.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: The Beatles

If you haven't found enough ways to spend your money, Here is one more.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: DuBois

Subject: Guillain Barre

Joan- Guillain Barre (GIL-ee-an Ba-RAY) is a pretty scary syndrome. I caught it in 2002 right after I had my flu shot. It made me really ticked off at the French people as a whole, because I already had Charcot Marie Tooth in my feet and Meniere's in my middle ear and I thought it was unfair to be stuck with so many French syndromes. G.B. (at least in my case) is a temporary paralysis in one of your feet and it goes higher everyday. In some cases it can go all the way up your body and I suppose it could stop you from breathing. In my case, it stopped at the hip and slowly retreated. The specialist who I went to see said that my immune system had overcome whatever the hell it is, and there was no reason for any treatment-I had already "won" was the way she put it. She was right. It kept retreating and then went away. But there's no way I would ever get a flu shot after that.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Equus in South Carolina

Charlie: A man in South Carolina was just sentenced to 3 years in prison yesterday for having sex with a horse. He had been caught a couple of years ago for the same thing with the same horse and was put on probation. The owner of the horse, named Sugar, had become suspicious last summer and set up a surveillance camera in her stable, which provided the evidence of the repeat crime. Under South Carolina law, there's no bestiality statute, so the deviant equestrian was convicted of the crime of buggery. As he had be caught on tape, he could not use the "I was just taking a ride on the Appalachian Trail" alibi. Sometimes you just can't make up stories like this.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Damn Yankees

I ain't no Yankees fan.....never have ....never will be! I HATE 'EM!!! BUT, you sure got to give that boy Matsui a nod for his performance last nite.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Mariano and Goats

I'd never seen Mariano Rivera smile before last night. Being the best short reliever in baseball history should make him feel good enough to smile more often. Another pitcher I rarely saw smile--Mike Mussina--won twenty games for the Yankees last year and then RETIRED (the first pitcher to retire following a 20 victory season since Sandy Koufax in 1966!). I hope they send Moose a World Series ring. Of course, he made over $140,000,000 in his playing days, so he could buy a few.

Please tell me that new movie, "Men Who Stare at Goats" isn't about Ronnie Hawkins and his friends back on the farm in Arkansas. Please. That line by Bonk had me laughing all day.


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Posted by:

Steve

Careful sailor, Bill may be puny but he's got them big fisks. I think the comic was originally about Olive Oyl's family. There were other Oyls in the picture, Castor and a couple of others whose names I'm having trouble getting a grasp on at the moment.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Yankees

Congrats to the Yankees for World Series win # 27.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Popeye

First of all that very Punny Bill Munsen is totally gawd damn nuts.......there's no doubt about that.

I expect that some of yuz has saw the Popeye movie with Robin Williams & Shelly Duvall. I was quite amazed at what a good job those two people did. They really did become Popeye and Olive Oil.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: H1N1

My 2 bits on the H1N1 shot. I was very wary because of the debacle of the swine flu shots during the Ford Administration. It resulted in about 400 cases of Guillan Barre syndrome. This vaccine is produced exactly as the regular seasonal flu vaccine, so there should be no more problems than usual.

This particular strain hits children and pregnant women worst. There are reports that a 1000 children have died of it in the US already. They postulate that there have been like strains around for years, so people born in the 40's and 50's have an immunity of sorts. NYC was the epicenter of it starting in the US (a group of students from a prep school in Queens went to Mexico on break and brought it back) Perhaps some immunities have developed, because The NY metro area is not getting hit as hard.

We have talked about it with several doctor friends. We all were wary at first, but feel it is safe. I will get the shot when it is available. In the meantime, I've become rather Obsessive compulsive (which I'm not normally). A lot of hand washing and anti-bacterial wipes. In this age of Jet travel, epidemics happen fast.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: More Of The Meatless Theme

Olive's original man was Harold Hamgravy til Popeye started cutting Hamgravy's grass.

Of course, if Popeye really can stomach canned spinach he has few active taste buds and no sense of smell.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: vegans ahoy

Bill M: not to mention the infink, Swee'pea . . . and the obvious degeneracy of that panhandler with the hamburger jones . . . .


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Vinyl Siding

Recently got a copy of Thunderclap Newman's 1969 album "Hollywood Dream" on the original Track label. The group, with John "Speedy" Keen on drums & vocals, Andy "Thunderclap" Newman adding his distinctive piano style, young Jimmy McCulloch on lead guitar and Pete Townsend with the occasional bass, were basically a one-hit wonder known for the majestic "Something In The Air". However, I'd forgotten that the album contains several other notable tracks, including a nice cover of the Basement Tape gem "Open The Door, Homer".

I've also been enjoying the excellent-sounding 2-LP version of Mark Knopfler's latest, "Get Lucky". This album definitely belongs on my best of the year list, with Mr. Knopfler yet again displaying his great skills as a guitarist and songwriter.


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Posted by:

Steve

Levon, in the role of the young "Chicken Hawk" is perfect.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: Yes indeed - very very funny.

Peter V and Charlie Y: Good of you to nod in the direction of that great vegetarian, Popeye. (I assume vegetarian because who else would be so big on both spinach and sweet potatoes.) His cry, "A yam, what a yam!", always makes me think of Neil "Band Link' Diamond and his "A Yam I Said".


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Foghorn

Yeah Bonk! You were great. Foghorn has always been my hero. There is a statue of him right in front of me on my desk here. He,s laying down leaning on his elbow and that little chicken hawk has ahold of his tail.

Old Foggy's a singer too. He always sings Da Camptown Ladies. Ah say.......Ah say did someboda knock? That ain't no chicken, that's a dog son.....C-O-W- dog boy! (muttering) nice boy but he's kinda dumb.


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Posted by:

Steve

All are funny, at least to me, but Bonk's done gone and done it. I'm still chuckling.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Toons

Porky Pig: The night, they drove old Dixie down, and the bells were ringing, they went na, na, ne-ne, that's all folks... Or not...


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Posted by:

Peter V

OK, Wallace and Gromit.(animation, but not cartoon)

"Eh, stand up, Gromit, lad. Take a load off your fanny."

Fritz the Cat could have done Ferdinand The Imposter.

"She's stoned" said the Swede … for The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.

Chest Fever also gives us "She's been down in the dunes and she's dealt with the goons" for Popeye (talking about Olive Oyl? Or Alice the Goon?)


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Give that man a cigar!

Bill M: you are correct!

Bonk: Hilarious.


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Posted by:

Deb

Then there's Elmer Fudd meets murder ballad:

She walks these hills in a wong bwack veil. . .visits my gwave when the nights winds wail


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Cartoons

In Levons book when he's talking about Ronnie Hawkins I can always hear Foghorn Leghorn. 'see here son. Ever f##k a goat? Pay attention boy.'


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Subject: Happy b'day (Nov. 5th) Bow Thayer!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Cwipple Cweek

Porky Pig doin' "Just Another wawa.....wawa.....whistle stop".....abeabubeabubea........th...th..that's all...ffffffffffolks!

Oh to have old Mel Blank around again.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Popeye's "Rockin' Chair"

"...I've spent my whole life at sea, and I'm pushin' age 73, just eatin' me spinach every day--oh to be home again, with my skinny girl friend, they call her Olive Oyl (really)..."


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Was it Robin Williams who did Elmer Fudd singing Springsteen's "Fire"?: "Dwiving in yo caw / Turn on the wadio / ... / Say you don' wuv me / Weww I know yo a wire ..."


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Posted by:

Steve

Charlie; a rewrite, Fudd singing in fuddish,"I swears at the Bugs below my feet".


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Band cartoons

Hanna-Barbera could've done great things with "Ferdinand The Imposter". Maybe a bit risque when Ferd - standing naked, flacid and short in the whorehouse - announces that he's gonna do 'em all, but still a must-see for Band fans.

dlew: a late response to your note that ABBA did their best work during divorce proceedings - must've been one of those quickies.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The place where all the leaves land

Subject: The falling leaves....raked yet again

DAVID- That's never occurred to me, but you're right: in the mid 70's Rick and the Great Silent One looked quite a bit alike. Deniro did a baseball movie about a terminally ill baseball player (who was on a team that was fashioned after the Yankees) around that time. I always thought the scene of the pennant clinching pop- up, where the Yankee infielder caught it and the players were all celebrating going to the world series; was so heart wrenching. Behind the happy players, Deniro (the catcher), who was near death, was still looking up in the sky, trying to find the ball so he could make the catch. I thought it was one of Deniro's best movies, as far as his acting is concerned.

Robert Deniro lives about three miles west of Butch Dener, in an old brick house on the Wallkill River. He bought up all of the land around him and any house that overlooked his complex. I'd have to go down there and look to be sure, but I think he had all of the houses he bought (not that many) bulldozed and let the land go back to it's original condition. Probably the closest house to his belongs to Johnny Savago, who is now in his mid 60s and is the town's justice of the peace. When Deniro first arrived in town he drove past Johnny's house and somehow he lost control of his car and put a nasty crease in Johnny's Mercedes, which was parked out front of the Savago home. So Bob got out and he got to meet the judge. Johnny took it pretty well, but he said to Deniro,"I know you're from the City, but up here we try not to run the parked cars off the road."

Judge Savago got re-elected yesterday.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sheldon Silverstein --- & Kevin

Kevin; To answer your question, I'm not quite in that groove yet, as I haven't sold my tug & barge yet. Not a good time to right now, but work has slowed up a lot which gives me the time to "get" the feeling of retirement. As I do have customers who have relied on my service for years, I have to stay where I can be prepared to help them when they need it.

There are the looky-lous with big dreams & no money wanting my outfit. "Oh would you lease to purchase it?" I'm not a bank, don't bring me all your stories bring me a cheque, then get out and work your ass off like I did to show you can handle it.

Anyway, I have no shortage of things to do, with my new music room, projects at home, in the garden, cutting firewood etc. Out with my cabin cruiser, fish prawns & crabs. As much as I like my old tug & barge, I will be happy to recover my investment, and be able to concentrate more on the other things I have noted. Hopefully all done by next summer, so Susan & I can cruise the coast, just having fun.

My brother & I have a lot of plans regarding the music, but it's hard to make any commitments the way my unscheduled work business requires. I'm fortunate enough that my health has remained good and I'm in good condition for my age. If I can get this business put away in the next year or so, I hope to have lots of years to enjoy and make up for the time I was "on watch".

I have been the greatest fan of Shel Silverstein for decades. The hits he has written for the likes of Johnnie Cash, Bobby Bare, Doctor Hook etc. His writing for Playboy, his books and all. One of the quirkyest sense of humour and finest minds of our time.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Let me grab the really easy one first … Open The Door, Homer.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: ANOTHER Thread

That recent movie thread (from Band songs) was the best sustained bit of nonsense here in years. How about taking Band songs and combining them with cartoon characters? Bugs Bunny could sing, "I swear by the Fudd below my feet," etc. Or maybe not.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Rick DeNiro

Lars: Your earlier post about Robert DeNiro stirred something in my memory. The following is an excerpt from Janet Maslin's 1978 film review of "The Last Waltz", published in the New York Times:

"Mr. Scorsese's decision to train his cameras more closely on the musicians' faces than on their instruments leads to an unexpected examination of the physical and emotional costliness of their craft, and of the element of acting that's an integral part of any kind of live performance. Indeed, Mr. Scorsese manages to turn Rick Danko, the Band's bassist, into a veritable double for one of the director's favorite actors, Robert DeNiro."


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Shel Silverstein

It's nice to hear the name of Shel Silverstein among the talk of Swine Flu and feuds and such. As far as I know, Mr. Silverstein is the only guy who to do all of the following:

A. Write a hit for Johnny Cash

B. Write for PLAYBOY

AND

C. Pen a bunch of bestselling poetry books for children.


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien, if you want to know how dangerous the H1N1 is at this point check out the effect it had in NZ and Australia where they've just had their winter flu season. I think it was less deadly than their usual flu season. What's the usual death toll from the flu in the US, 20,000 to 40,000 ? The H1N1 is not a completely new strain, it's been around as recently as the early 50's, we just haven't seen an outbreak of it since then. At least that's one of the brazillion "factoids" I've heard about it.

If it turns out to be half as deadly as the hype has made it out to be we're all fu&^ed.

Kevin, I wouldn't mind given Rummey the $5 if I could hand it over to him personally. I'm undecided, I've never gotten a flu shot and am just kinda waiting to see what happens. I did get my Mad Cow booster though.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

One of the reasons that Swine Flu is considered as dangerous as it is, is because it has the properties within it to become something different and worse. The common flu strains that we deal with on a yearly basis have a makeup that pretty much keeps them to what they are. Swine Flu has the ability to morph into something else, given the right conditions. Swine Flu killed less people in the last year than the regular flu. But Swine Flu is more dangerous to young people and pregnant women - not something the regular flu is necessarily known for. As for the 12 year old in Canada - did he have comprimised conditions because it seems Swine Flu kills people that have other issues at hand. If I were exposed to a lot of different young people, then I would get the shot.

My wife is against the kids getting it. I'm on the fence but we all got regular flu shots. Much of her caution is based on the lack of data on this new vaccine. She want to wait it out one year to see if any adverse things occur. I can't blame her for that but I tend to believe things will be fine.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Norm……Sometime back you wrote that great entry about beginning your life in retirement……....are you finding time to explore music and books that a full tilt working life sometimes gets in the way of or are you still trying to find the right groove?

I was just talking to a friend who is a full time guitar teacher and discussing the subject of the H1N1 vaccination……he’s in touch daily with 10 to 12 people ranging in ages from 7 to 70…and obviously concerned. I keep going back and forth on this issue…..I wonder what others here have decided to do? Early on someone had mentioned that Donald Rumsfeld (through ownership in a company associated with it) was in line to profit to the tune of $5 for every shot administered…..I immediately thought that Steve might take a pass on that fact alone and I might well have followed suit……However, the sudden death of a 12 year old hockey player in Toronto last week from Swine flu has really shook a lot of people up…..


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Tracy

Congratulations!


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Posted by:

Peter V

I meant another Shel Silverstein song as well as the one Norm had mentioned before.


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Posted by:

Peter V

That should read Garth BROOKS (I was writing to a Mr. Crooks earlier today!)


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Posted by:

Peter V

There was the Garth Crooks story of how his management wanted to take on the 90s Band and propel them to their rightful place, playing the big halls and selling lots of records, but it all fell apart. There's a Shel Silverstein song that summed it up.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: All Bands of the 60's & 70's

Kevin, they were all sons-a-bitches and the words to the song confirm.

I got a mean old lady, name a Cocaine Katy she embroideries on my jeans.

I got my poor old grey haired Daddy, drivin' my limousine.

We gettin' all kinds a thrills from takin' all kinds a pills,

But the thrill we've never known...........


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: B Sides

I came across this quote when looking up the lyrics to "Moneygoround".....Ya gotta love it:

With no false modesty, Ray Davies once said: “I’ve only written about 200 good songs. The rest are B sides.”


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Deniro's Stone??

Shit Lars! You would probably have been laying stone around a bunch of corpses with that guy and his outfit. Analize THAT!

That character in "Sleepers" played a priest who put his hand on the bible on the witness stand and told an absolute lie!!!! He's just too scarey.......stay away Lars......STAY AWAY!

Steve, that's not true right up into the last pages, Robbie is still used occasionally. It would depend on his thoughts at the time, and I doubt that the writer copied his conversations word for word. The small conversations here and there, ( as said by Rick or Richard or Garth) show quite clearly. As well as being,"vocal singing" Levon Helm is quite "vocal" about a lot, and a lot of complaining, not only about "Robertson".

Through all the crap with the "Dylan Tours" nightmares, the rest of them hung together, and didn't do the same amount of complaining, and didn't bail.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above may be the best song about the mess that ALL bands from that era found themselves in…The Band were not unique in that regard…....The words of R. Davies:

Robert owes half to Grenville

Who in turn gave half to Larry

Who adored my instrumentals

And so he gave half to a foreign publisher

She took half the money that was earned in some far distant land

Gave back half to Larry and I end up with half of goodness knows what

Oh can somebody explain why things go on this way

I thought they were my friends I can't believe it's me, I can't believe that I'm so green

Eyes down round and round let's all sit and watch the moneygoround


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Nineteen Eighty-Three (cont.)

Back to 1983 -- excuse the Orwellian undertones. It's interesting to note that Robbie's "Between Trains", with contributions from Richard and Garth, appeared on "The King of Comedy" soundtrack, released early that year.

After the original five disbanded, they would walk away from two major label recording deals. Immediately after TLW they "passed" on a $6 million (6 album) deal with Warner Bros, and years later the re-formed group bailed out deal with Sony over creative differences.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: a stone house in the woods

Subject: Masons

Stone masons are generally solitarty creatures. The last time I saw 10 stone masons together it was on Robert Deniro's house the next town up. They tried to get me to build a sample of a stone wall (called a "mock up") but I told them I was working up the road a half mile away, laying up a stone fireplace. If they wanted to see my work the door was open. From what I understand, Deniro would come in by helicopter on a Friday and rave about the quality craftsmanship. Then he'd change his mind on Sunday and tell the general contractot to fire anybody who showed up for work on Monday. Then they would go out looking for more stone masons. I never worked for him because I kept missing our appointments. I never met a man I didn't like.


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Posted by:

Steve

That's true Norm but once he shifts to Robertson he never goes back. If your friend had called you, Norm Boy, your whole life and then one day starts calling you Jones you'd think the relationship had changed.

Lars, thought I should warn you, the Quebec Provincial Police rounded up a criminal gang of Stone Masons yesterday in Montreal. Picked up 10 of them. Seems organized crime comes in all shapes and sizes. Maybe you'd better hide your trowels.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: the 80's Band

I've felt that the lack of success of the 80's Band reunion was Levon's lack of trust for anything that smelled corporate. Robbie may have been the key song writer but since he nevr sang the songs weren't going to suffer in that vein. Robbie also wasn't a guitar god that was so important to many bands of the late 60's and into the 70's - so his presence in that vein wasn't a real necessity.

When a lot of bands were reuniting in that time and having success part of it was the corporate end as far as marketing and handling. Levon, being the leader, had no desire to go that route. He despised that route and so venues and promotion were minimum. The Band had great songs but they didn't have big hits - they needed a great promotion machine to play up their image. They never capitalized on that. They should have been opening for big acts like John Cougar Mellencamp at the time and anyone who remotlely had that Americana sound or done crossovers with country stars who were emerging in the 'new' country sound. With that kind of steam, they could have used that momentum to not only do venues that were smaller but sell them out more regularly. Having seen the Band many times in that early reunion phase, I always thought they underutilized their marketing ability. It was a time of many bands getting back together and the movie the Big Chill wasn't out even two years with the Weight being a part of that soundtrack - never used it to promote anything.

It also would have helped to have a new album to support but we know that the boys were not prolific writers. So in that case no album may have been better than a hastily produced one.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ray & Dave

I don’t remember where I read this, so forgive me if it was here. It was recent. Ray Davies was asked about the high value of Kinks vinyl records… in the UK, they’re noticeably more expensive than many of their contemporaries. Kinks EPs in mint condition run from £30 to £275 in Rare Record Guide. The interviewer noted that Dave Davies’ solo EP “Hits” was rated at £320, more than any Kinks EP. (N.B. mint condition means “as new”). Ray Davies replied astutely “That was because nobody ever bought it.” And that is what drives secondhand vinyl prices. Obscure artists on collectable labels, the least successful record by a band, the worst record they ever made … these will be the most valuable because they’re rare.

If you're not a "driven" collector don't get too excited about your Kinks EP or LP values unless your copies are pristine. But even Kinks EPs in average condition will often sell at £10 to £20 … far higher than Beatles or Stones in equivalent condition. Also EPs are usually the peak collectables in Britain, because singles rarely had picture sleeves in the "classic" era of the 50s and 60s.


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Posted by:

Rod

Bobby Jones - I think you summed it up fairly well. 1983 seems to be the key date. Things probably got worse with Richard's death and The Band's lack of achievement in the 80's. I know it's really Levon's and Robbie's business but it is interesting tryining to figure out what went wrong around that time. Did the reunion concerts kill of any chance of an another album by the OQ?


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Posted by:

Bill M

"Call me Ishmael" is, as Peter says, much better than "My name is Ishmael", and "Virgil Caine is the name" is much better than "My name is Virgil Caine", but who can quibble with "My name is Sue, how do you do"? Context is everything.

Yes, people here are unfriendly. Some of us some of the time, a few of us most of the time, and some of us never. Life's like that.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Moby Dick Nixon

"Politics is bullshit." -David Crosby, ROLLING STONE interview, 1970.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Web: My link

Subject: The Freedom To Rock

Hey Now!

The long awaited novel is available now through Rocklynn Press at Rocklynn. Order today and get it signed by the author and just maybe a little bonus item will come with it. The holidays are upon us! Get a copy for the sweet rock'n roller in your life.

It is a novel approach to rock'n roll!

Love and Music...ALWAYS music!

T.L.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Last Names

That bird don't fly Steve. Read a little more. Levon calls Rick, "Danko" a couple of times too. That's a habit some people have. One of my life long best friends has called me Jones or Jones boy my entire life. He's now about 71 and the old bugger probably don't even remember my first name, and his name is Brown!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Correction

Should have read: Dave "thinks he should have" a piece of "You Really Got Me".....not "should have"


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Ari…..no need to leave the GB over some mildly unfriendly exchanges…….anyone who appreciates Richard Manuel to the extent you do has to have something going on….....and on the subjects of fueds, I have always felt that Richard’s death and the eulogy not given had a lot to do with escalating tensions. Also, Richard as the other principle songwriter in the Band, really is the key that tends to unravel the Levon argument over writing credits.

Funny thing about feuds is that often it is the people on the periphery that take things the hardest while a feud is on and then find themselves totally bewildered and without center once it is over……If Levon and Robbie were to just shake hands and admit that the breakup of the Band and various record and investment contracts could have been handled in a better way at the time and that comments/actions relating to Richard and his death could also have been better dealt with then they might well be content enough to deal with each other……..Now what about all the sideline folks who go town to town or website to website spreading the quite ridiculous stories that a guy they don’t even know is evil or stole songs from another band mate – the one band mate , interestingly enough, that isn’t a songwriter, what do they do? Hint: Go find Dave Davies – he actually should have a piece of You Really Got me for slitting that speaker cone and inventing both Heavy metal and Punk Rock with one riff…….


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Posted by:

Bobby Jones

Subject: Coincidence? (I think not)

Pat brings up a good point, before 1983 everything was cool between Levon and Robbie. On June 25th of 1983 at the Joyous Lake in Woodstock, (gig billed as Levon Helm and the Cate's) Levon announced that The Band would reform. Later in 1983 we hear that this will happen minus Robbie and things go bad between Levon and Robbie, For whatever reason Levon expresses his displeasure with Robbie, while Robbie is in California working on soundtracks.

So what went wrong? Was it naming rights of the re-formed group? Who owned the rights to the name "The Band"? Wasn't there a court battle with-in the Byrd's over the name? If I recollect it created some "bad" blood. Could that be the same thing here?

speculation: We may never know for sure and it's really not any of our business, but I can see both sides of a possible battle over the name, "The Band".

Levon trying to re-invent the group that brought them all fame and fortune, with what he felt were his brothers and his group. His vision that the hits and music would come and the future would be as bright as it once had been. To further fuel this belief nostalgia acts were picking up some steam back then.

Robbie wanting to protect his and their musical legacy, feeling that the Band was his Masterpiece and it could only be somehow devalued with meddling. Emotionally and musically he was a million miles away from a Band reunion.

In hindsight maybe they were both right. We got a handful of musical gems from the reunion of The Band, although they never really reached the top of the musical mountain as they did in the early post Dylan years.

again this is just speculation on my behalf, but it would be one possible explanation of the quick turnaround from what would seem lifelong friend to detested foe.


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, reading The Band Bible you get that feeling that the music in most horror movies gives you before something evil is about to happen. The soundtrack is light and playful then the all of a sudden you feel yourself tensing up as the soundtrack becomes dark and ominous, warning of imminent danger . It was like that in the Bible when Levon all of a sudden starts referring to the guy he's been calling Robbie for 150 pages or so simply as ROBERTSON! At that point you know we're not headed for the Disney ending.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: 1983

I guess the significance of 1983 is that was when The Band re-formed, without Robbie, and began performing again. As one would imagine, everywhere they went, one of the first questions raised by reporters was probably "where's Robbie?"


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Feud?????????

Thank you Pat. I've been saying the same thing all along, (to myself mostly). These up starts who love to use that word "FEUD", don't seem to know what the word really means.

Very obviously when some one writes some piece of gossip, having wrong dates and what took place, well! it must be Robbie's fault of course, he's behind it all. Anyone who has to publicly keep hollering how he's been wronged, only makes himself look more foolish. It just leads people to that old phrase, "me thinks thou doest protest too much".

While it looks like some one else, just might be above that public mud slinging crap.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

You can never move forward blaming someone else for a current situation. It brings no good and nothing productive. Try it..., go ahead.., blame Bush for everything...., how do you feel? Empty? Did anything change. Nope. Probably still angry when you think of ol W. Has anger ever brought you a positive response? The only way anyone or anything moves forward is to simply take responsibility for the moment and move forward. Realize that, embrace that and solutions come into being more clearly.

I would venture to say the same thing with Levons case. When all he had to offer RR and record execs was venom and disdain, what did that bring him? It seems now that he doesn't surround himself with those issues, doesn't address it much if at all anymore, his career is better than its been since the Bands heyday.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Around 1983, Levon started intimating that he was wronged by RR, but Robertson had nothing but nice things to say about Levon. This wouldn't even constitute a feud, much less a blood feud. Takes two.

Steve, if you take the entirety of Levon's opinions, you will find him quite complimentary towards RR right up to 1983. I'm sure there is much they agree on.


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Posted by:

David P.

Regardless of the exact publication dates, within the same year, Levon was living the events long before Mr. Hoskyns began to "research" and collate his source material.

I neglected to mention that, within that timeframe I cited, The Band was inducted into the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame in 1994.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Pete, all I wrote is what I wrote. May I suggest the reading comprehension course. Steve will reccomend it highly.

However, if you follow the following steps 1)Play This Wheel's On Fire in the background,preferably vinyl.
2)Eliminate all other thoughts from your consciousness.
3) Read what I wrote,and what I wrote it in response to , a few more times, slowly.

Try that approach first, I have faith that you can get this on your own. Dlew, thanks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

… you could add there, David, that Barney Hoskyns came out first, and was being researched far earlier, before the Stephen Davis "novel" was started to all intents.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Blame Bush?

Pat, then we can count on Robbie's and Levon's memoirs agreeing on at least one point?

Lest we forget, it was Jimmy Carter who set the table for Bush the bus boy to make a mess of while delivering the just deserts.

A brief recap; 1978, a progressive secular gov't( the kind we're trying to establish today) seized power in Afghanistan. They immediately propose to begin offering education programs to all women and girls. Then they ban child marriages of Afghan girls.

Early 1979, carter begins scheming with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia( the countries most to blame for 9-11) and China to arm the mujahedeen and northern warlords to bring down the gov't and suck The Soviet Union into the country. The CIA then spends more money on a program than it ever had to that point in its illustrious career to train and weaponize the warlords and the fundamentalists that are the founders and leaders of today's Taliban. And the beat goes on. Oh ya and Jimmy later won one of those Nobel Peace prizes. You see it's really true; anyone can become president and anyone can win a Nobel Peace Prize.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Great Divide

I would also add that Levon's collaboration with Stephen Davis was timed to counter the publication of Barney Hoskyns' "Across The Great Divide: The Band and America". Both, along with "Jericho", preceeded the release of Capitol's "Across The Great Divide" box set the following year. On the up-side, all of these events helped to create a renewed interest in The Band's music that, apart from the film syndication of "The Last Waltz", had remained dormant for many years in collective mind of the general public. Even Robbie resurfaced with his "Music for the Native Americans" soundtrack for the Turner Network Television film, which featured former Band associate Jonathan Taplin as executive producer. Coincidentally, for many years Ted Turner owned the broadcast rights to the UA/MGM film catalog, which included TLW.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ari if you're still here

I'm also a New Yorker. I've spent many hours walking about Manhattan. I've seen many "celebs" out and about. The real issue is people's "space' and privacy. They must be respected. Its OK to look, maybe smile or say Hi! But otherwise leave them be. Put yourself in their place. Would you like being interrupted every three feet as you walk down the street? I don't think you would walk up to a perfect stranger you see and shake their hand. Just because you see someone in the movies doesn't mean they know you. But I understand the urge.

Sorry about being "teachy" . Were not mean. Just grown up.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Steve, I rarely, if ever, miss a point. I do, however, like "mud feud."

J.F.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Robertson's non-involvement in the project was always referenced when Jericho came out, no doubt because Levon's scathing recollections were coincidentally timed for release at the exact same time. If anyone made sure that Robertson's absence was consistently and duly noted, it was Levon.


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Posted by:

Steve

Jan, you're missing the point, it's not about being the Band's lead vocalist, that's already well documented in print and for those that don't believe everything that's written, in film. Pull out TLW if you're one who doubts the printed word. The obvious factual error was associating Robbie with the 90's Band and Jericho. I'm sure Robbie will clear that up toute suite once he has the time to read his autobiography. I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying being on the right side of this mud feud after all these years. You guys will share the secret handshake with me as promised, won't you?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Afgan - Ruskie War

You are right Lars, but there certainly is better ways to do it. I forgot to say, that the Afgans had it all over the Russians of course because they had "Rambo"


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: the woodpile

Subject: Now don't you wish you had voted for Rev Billy?

Norm- I have to agree with you about Afghanistan. There's still a lot of blood to be shed, although God knows I wish there could be peace. When I think of what things would be like if Al Gore had been given his rightful place as American president, I have to wonder if Gore would have done as badly as Bush did. I doubt it.

If you put an average American in the Oval Office (did you ever see the movie "Dave"?), somebody who wasn't beholding to any lobbyist; somebody who had enough balls to stand up to the Pentagon and say, let's get our people out of the Mideast, would the US be better off for it? We probably would, for a while. But if we stop bribing our enemies and paying off our "friends," I have to wonder how long it would be before all hell broke loose and another part of the world got destroyed by some terrorists. Unlike Viet Nam, which seemed so crystal clear to our whole generation--let's get the hell out of here--we're living in a complicated age that's been made worse by people like G.W. Bush ( BTW, I'd still like to have his shirt mailed to me). Bottom line- I don't know what we should do. I hope Obama does.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Another One Gone

Lars & Joe; You've even got me watching the games now. I got this gut feeling Lee is gonna get it done for them, and Phillie's gonna win this.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Moby Dick

Melville's epic novel is a multi-layered treasure, with currents as deep as the sea. In one particular passage, was the author viewing mysteriously into the future through a spyglass?

"And, doubtless, my going on this whatling voyage, formed part of the grand programme of Providence that was drawn up a long time ago. It came in as a sort of brief interlude and solo before extensive performances. I take it that this part of the bill must have run something like this:

Grand Contested Election for the Presidency of the United States

Whaling Voyage by one Ishmael

BLOODY BATTLE IN AFFGHANISTAN"


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Posted by:

Peter V

Hang on, Jeff. That’s taken a while to sink in. You’re saying that the disputes within The Band are or were the equivalent of a “blood feud”? That’s one where blood has been shed and the revenge is taken turn and turn about through several generations?

Isn’t that a little high-flown for a business dispute? Even the Fleetwood Mac comparison is a divorce of people who had lived together (and worked together) for eleven years. That’s an intimate personal love relationship. In most cases with most people that would be more scarring and hurtful than “losing your job” or in The Band’s case, deciding you didn’t want to work together anymore.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: lead vocalist

Jeff, I think Robbie would even think that was pretty funny!

JF


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Posted by:

Steve

Jeff0, I do believe that's a leaked excerpt from the first write of Robbie's autobiography, I'm sure once he joins the writing team these awkward bits will be polished up and credit will be given to the deserving. It's early days.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: White Whale

"Call me Ishmael." is better than "My name is Ishmael." It's one of the best bits of the book. So was Mr Sheppard reading Moby Dick for the first time? Or is he planning a theatrical adaptation? It's a hard one to do on stage. The water sloshing about is inconvenient, and do you use a massive puppet for the whale or just imagine it? I don't think it's a suitable text. Levon would be a good Captain Ahab.

I used to advise students that if they liked fiction, they could skip all the encyclopaedic sections, and if they liked reading very dull fact they could skip all the story. I had to look at a heavily abridged and simplified version for learners of English last year which caused me to revisit odd pages of the original to compare. The last time I read it was 1968. I don't think I'll read it again.

For a musical connection, White Whale was the label that issued The Turtles singles.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: happy birthday

to Jeff.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: This link explains a lot of things. Read the entry for 1993.

I actually don't even know how to comment on that :-) And no, I'm not kidding :-)


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Posted by:

Ari

Sorry for my belligerence Kevin, I do apologize I've since subdued my frustration with Mr. Shepard. Nonetheless I think I'm going to bid farewell to this guestbook for a while. People on here are just too unfriendly.

See you all on the flipside.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: Celebrities -- beauties and beasts?

Yeah, Jessica was at a Ramble I attended -- the Folk Ramble in April of 2006 or 2007 -- can't remember. She asked me if the seats next to me were taken -- I said no and she sat down beside me (with her son -- then about 14). I thought, "Wow, is Mr. Steve gonna be sorry he skipped this Ramble!!" Then one of the Helmland Security guys came and escorted her and the boy to their reserved seats. She was very nice for the five minutes she sat next to me.

I had another brush(no pun intended)with celebrity on Thursday at a meeting at the Reagan International Trade Center in D.C. I met (Dr.)William Kennedy Smith. Very handsome, polite, nice suit too. Looks a little like his Uncle Jack.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: More country on Dave

Monday, November 2... Carrie Underwood (CD, "Play On")

Top Ten with NYC Marathon Winner, Meb Keflezighi

Tuesday, November 3.... Al Gore (Book, "Our Choice") Brad Paisley (CD, "American Saturday Night")

Top Ten with Michael Buble

Wednesday, November 4... Bill Cosby Ryan Bingham (CD, "Roadhouse Sun")

Thursday, November 5... Keith Urban (CD, "Defying Gravity")

Friday, November 6 ... Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys (Book, "Men of Constant Sorrow")

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Country music

For C/M fans. Thought this interesting from George Jones.

Country legend wants 'country' title back, thinks pop-country stars have 'stolen our identity'... By Caitlin King, The Associated Press

NASHVILLE - Country Music Hall of Famer George Jones isn't a big fan of where the genre has moved in recent years. When asked about what he thought about music by today's top country stars, the 78-year-old said while they are good, "they've stolen our identity."

Jones made the comment during a recent interview when asked about music by artists like Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift.

"They had to use something that was established already, and that's traditional country music. So what they need to do really, I think, is find their own title, because they're definitely not traditional country music," he said.

"It's good to know that we still do traditional country music. Alan Jackson still does it, so does George Strait. We still have it, and there's quite a few of us that are going to hope that it comes back one of these days."

Still, his contemporaries haven't always stuck to traditional country, either. Fellow Hall of Fame member Johnny Cash was met with critical acclaim a few years ago by covering the Nine Inch Nails song "Hurt." Asked whether he'd ever branch out to a completely different genre of music, like heavy metal or rap, Jones laughed and said: "Rap? That's tacky."

"How can you call that music?" he added. "Now, I love music, too. I love all kinds. I really do. I've got Brook Benton. I like his singing. Ray Charles. I've got an open mind. But now, you can't call rap, talking stuff like that, music. No, no, no, you've got to have another name for that."

Jones recently put out a new CD, through Cracker Barrel Old Country Store, called "A Collection of My Best Recollection." It includes some of his most requested songs from throughout his career, including classics like "White Lightning" and "I Don't Need Your Rockin' Chair," as well as two previously unreleased ones. "Only thing I would like to keep accomplishing is music for my fans and achieving some goals to keep them happy with what I record in the future," Jones said. "I've done just about everything else. The good Lord's been good to me ... I'm going to enjoy the rest of my life."

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Chuck Berry

Thanks, J Girl.

Chuck Berry for Poet Laureate!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Reality

Well hell Lars; My "tirade" ends like this. Consider that these wars & feuds have been going on for more than 1000 years. What did the Russians accomplish? So when you watch a politician stand in front of a microphone on international television, and put some TIME LIMIT on controling these places and settling them down, "Well I think in 5 years we will have every body settled down and playing nicely together" All you can do is laugh histerically and say ARE YOU SERIOUS?????


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Even The Losers

Ari…..A tip: Don’t ask silly questions if you’re not big enough to take a few jabs….Oh.. and please do tell us how Susan Sarandon’s son is enjoying USC – How does a sane person even contemplate asking a stranger a question like this? You once saw a man working on Levon’s property and referred to that person as a “loser” without having had any contact with him….and yet you take the time to share with the world your depression over not having the nerve to engage a playwright in a Q and A session on the street of all places……..Grow up….…Sam Sheppard talked to guys working in trees and used what they had to say to create art……Do the same and stop boring us with references to celebrity gobbledygook and obscure comedians…..


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, shaking hands with a shadow sounds much more sensible than boxing with them. I hate to bring this to your attention but if you were shaking hands with a shadow you may have told yourself to fuck off.

Maybe I can squeeze you in for a session tomorrow depending on how long it takes me to sort out Ari and this shepherd rejection issue he's suffering. Being snubbed by someone who spends all his time with sheep can be devastating. I'm sure if Dunc was about he could explain it better than me. There's nothing that can substitute for personal experience in these matters.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

For some reason I can never shake the image of Kevin J being Kevin James...you know that fat untalented comedian from UPN and Paul Blart Mall Cop.

I think I'm upset because there is a lot I would have liked to ask him. I'm generally pretty surprised that people don't think they can approach celebrities (we live in the same city, that's already something we have in common.) Just last week I had a conversation at the Highline with Susan Sarandon about her son and if he likes USC. Shepard was just walking down 5th Avenue holding a guitar.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Even the Swap meets around here are getting corupt....

A bit of background on Brownsville Girl......


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: the woods

Subject: the Usual Nonsense

Norm, if you want to do something constructive, beat the hell out of George W. Bush and mail me his shirt.

One of the things I've been meaning to do before I die is to read all of Moby Dick. I've started it several times, but I can only read the first three words before I get sidetracked.


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Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: Nice Ramble story at this link


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Shepard and Lange

I was once in a wonderful but now long gone bookstore cafe called Book Gallery in Charlottesville, Virginia, circa 1989, when I spotted Sam Shepard sitting at the bar, sipping coffee (it was around 9:30 in the morning). He just sat there reading the Modern Library edition of "Moby Dick" and I thought: "How cool!" I didn't have the nerve to approach him and was in the middle of a work meeting anyway, but then Jessica Lange walked in the room, said a few words to Mr. Shepard and departed. I've never seen a more radiantly lovely woman--and I don't think she was wearing a speck of makeup. A chain bookstore opened across the street around the time Sam and Jessica left Virginia for Minnesota. Their friend Sissy Spacek still lives nearby--as do John Grisham and other literary stars--but I wish Jessica Lange would move back to Virginia. Sigh.

Has anyone read Sam Shepard's "Rolling Thunder Logbook?" I think it's one of the best music books ever. Right now I'm reading Paul Shaffer's book (which does NOT mention The Band) and the somewhat odd Clarence Clemons book (which does not have an index).


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jessica Lange

And who can forget Jessica Lange “relaxing” to “I’ll Remember You” in the quirky Dylan film Masked and Anonymous…..I always liked that song and this is one case where a film or video accompaniment has enhanced a memory……


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Posted by:

Peter V

He shook your hand and smiled? What's the problem? When Ii met The Shadows and said much the same when I was twenty, they just said "F*ck Off."


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Postman Always Rings Twice

The lovely Ms. Lange has also attended one of Levon's Midnight Rambles. One of her famous film scenes (with Jack Nicholson) certainly gives new meaning to the term "all purpose flour" :-) Later, in "Crossing Guard", Robbie had a completely different interaction with Mr. Nicholson.

Further connections: Sam Shepard, like Richard & Rick, has co-written a song with Dylan. And he's acted in a film along with Levon.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: ARI

Because he’s slept with Jessica Lange and you never will….or maybe because a simple and appropriate “Thank you” was just not good enough…..perhaps you were expecting him to recall fondly how he thinks often of you walking through the Holy Land warbling a version of The Weight…..but alas he has no idea who you are….and that’s just not good enough in this celebrity culture that we live…….PS: If you are still feeling depressed tomorrow…..seek out a professional….


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: All-Seeing Eyes

Peter: The Columbia Records logo was adapted from the "eye" logo designed earlier for CBS television. Back in the '50s, in addition to radio, television and records, Columbia also sold console hi-fi systems, many of which sat on angled legs. The stylus angle also makes sense. The record labels evolved over the years with 6-eye and 2-eye logos, along with the "360 Stereo" designation.

Not to be confused with the "Unseen Eye", as recorded by Sonny Boy Williamson (Rice Miller) and King Biscuit Boy & Crowbar.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joan: We had 175 - about half the usual. Likely due to H1N1 concerns because the weather was a good as you're gonna get on Oct 31.

dlew: ABBA's best work was done during divorce proceedings? Must've been one of those quickies ...

David P: Good thing that Robbie had someone else to sing that fender line in "Jemima Surrender" eh? Given what people say about him already, imagine if he'd introduced his own solo by essentially saying, "Take it away Robbie!"

Peter V: Nicks may have been over-sensitive. Maybe Buckingham, despite the posh name, is a total slob and is too embarrassed to have people over?


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Posted by:

Ari S.

I just met Sam Shepard outside of Washington Square Park. I told him I was a huge fan and then he shook my hand, smiled and said thank "Thank You." He then walked away. Can someone explain why I feel so horribly depressed right now?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Love, not blood, feuds

With two female members in Fleetwood Mac, who were at various times romatically linked to musicians, both within and outside the group, you have the seeds of conflict planted in a soil further nourished by artistic hubris.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: heart to heart

Charley, Ii just had a look at my British CBS albums. Most are originals, not reissues due to my advanced years. But on Live At Carnegie Hall by the Clancy Brothers (definitely a reissue) I thought I'd spotted it right at the bottom, but it was a smudgy CBS logo.

David, look at the "walking eye" as it's generally known again. According to one history of vinyl I read, most people see it as a walking eye, but if you look again and clear that image, you might see it as a disc with a stylus (the stylus replacing the legs). The book claimed that was the intent.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Mr. James Burton

The highlight of Elvis' "Promised Land" for me will always be James Burton's pickin'. Mr. Burton has received several shout-outs over the years on recordings. Off hand, two come to mind:

On John Phillips' "Mississippi" (from the "Wolfking of L.A." album he sings "Do it to me James" just before Mr. Burton plays a short dobro solo.

Gram Parsons on "Cash On The Barrelhead" (from "Grievious Angel") introduces a solo by saying "James Burton and his hot lick guitar".


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Afganistan??????

When you get to talking about fuedal wars in Afganistan, you get into a whole different head space and history. It would do well for some of the American politicians to get on line and do a little research.

For much of my life, I have been a great champion of Ghengis Khan. Now, a days on the internet I have spent hours at night reading pages on that Mongol and his exploits. \ That old general from the Gulf war Shwartsenberg, (I can't remember how to spell his name) anyway, on the Ghenghis Khan site you can find his words about the man. "Still the greatest general the world has ever known."

The people in that entire area, (Afganistan is just one little part) have been fighting since before the 1200's AD, (which was the khan's era). Those tunnels and the way they use them have been there for centuries. Those people may seem illiterate, but they sure aren't stupid. They know and do things these West Point type cats have never dreamed of.

There are documentaries of the war the Russians waged there in the eighties, and there is Russian scrap metal and junk laying all over that country, (you'd think these stupid bastards trying to run this occupation of a country like that would learn.)

This is not any Noriaga they are dealing with here. Killing all those young men and women, and leaving many of them without limbs and maimed. It's fucking well shameful! Now I'm really pissed off again. Every time I saw that little piss ant George Bush in front of a microphone giving his lame speaches I want to wind his nuts up in a vice. I better go out and do something constructive.......mutter, mutter,mutter


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Peter, you know my point. Levon's is a blood feud, or at least the modern day equivalent. Doesn't get put to rest for the sake of recording andtouring as you had indicated maybe they could get a message.

To quote you:
" But she also said that at it's worst, they never contemplated leaving the band (though Lindsey did later after Tango in the Night was recorded). She said "Fleetwood Mac was bigger than both of us, and we had to stay." Lindsey Buckingham said much the same about the 'importance of the combined work.'

A message for all feuding musicians? "

End of quote.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, as I recall from my reading of that history of the retreat from Kabul only one person who attempted the retreat survived. A military medic I believe. The Ghilzai warriors killed them at will as they struggled through the passes filled with snow in January.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link is Elvis doing his favorite Chuck Berry song......funny to read the comments where someone says they prefer the WASP version!! Who knew?

Charlie: TLW has Ronnie Hawkins and his Burn Robbie Burn...

Steve: Thanks


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Thanks, David!

It wasn't a logo, just a little gray heart near the bottom right of the back of LP jackets--usually reissues of 1960s stuff by people like Dylan and The Byrds.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: New Thread

Charlie: I can't recall that symbol you mentioned. Will have to check some of my old LPs. Of course Columbia is best known for their "walking eye" logo.

The Band, for the most part, went against the grain of that era and eschewed extended guitar solos. The closest thing I can think of in the way of coaxing a solo is in "Jemima Surrender", when Robbie follows Levon's line "I'll bring over my Fender and I'll play all night for you" with a short but tasty lick or two.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Steve, salt and pepper aren't necessary in your evening meal, but they add to the flavour, as do banjos to a feud.

George MacDonald Fraser, when I saw him speak a few years ago, a couple of years before he died, has pointed out often that it everyone involved read his novel "Flashman" set in the First Afghan War and centered on the Retreat from Kabul of 1842, we wouldn't be messing around there. See link. Since Alexander the Great any foreigners who have got caught in the local crossfire have ended up with all feuding parties turning on them.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: New Thread

I guess nobody knows the answer to my question about those little gray hearts on the back of some Columbia LP covers in the 1970s. Oh well.

I was thinking about favorite lines from records when a singer coaxes the guitarist into a solo. One of my favorites was from an early live Beach Boys record when Carl Wilson was asked to solo with those immortal words, "Sratch it, Carl, scratch it!" I also liked the line someone (either from the Lovin' Spoonful or Youngbloods) sang, "Pick it, Wilson!" Are there any records from The Band with moments like those?


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Nobody Does It Better

Peter, real blood feuds do require mountains and a lot of incest, often rape ( male and female) but not necessarily banjos and they do require real blood and nobody does it better than the Afghans.

They take it to the next level, like going to 11 on your amp. They accept anyone from anywhere on the planet to join in and have a devil make care cross pollinated with a dash of joie de vivre attitude about the whole affair.

Two small villages just north of, Chaman Pakistan, in Afghanistan, whose names I forget, currently hold the Guinness Book Of World Records title for longest running uninterrupted blood feud. While no one can really say how long it's been going on nobody wants to openly dispute their claim to it being the longest.

My all time favorite photo in National Geographic was in an issue about 7 or 8 years ago in an article about clans and clan warfare in Afghanistan.

It was a picture of a rather average sized Afghan home( think small, mostly mud bungalow) with a F%$KINGLY huge anti-aircraft gun bolted to the roof. Certainly an engineering miracle to behold.

The caption explained that at the moment this village\clan was at peace with a neighboring village/clan but the head of this household knew it was only a matter of time til a new blood feud kicked up and he wanted to be prepared. No banjos were mentioned anywhere in the article so I'm guessing they're not necessary when conducting serious blood feuds.

Welcome back, Kevin.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Back in the U.S.A.

Initially, Chuck Berry's "Memphis, Tennessee" was one of those killer B-sides. It was originally released as the flip side of "Back in the U.S.A." in 1959 and failed to reach the top 20 in the U.S. charts. Lonnie Mack's instrumental version in 1963 reached #5, and the following year Johnny Rivers' Live at the Whisky A Go-Go versipn reached #2. Mr. Berry's career in the meantime had been sadly interrupted (from 1960-1963) by his second stint in prison.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Memphis

Jersey Girl, thanks and nice to hear from you. I really enjoy Klinkenborg's work. His op eds are always a pleasure. This one is certainly a little different for him.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Germany....Todd....Joan

Just back after some tome in Europe and a few observations:

* Music Stores in Berlin are a real treat……I had recalled discussion of this in the GB so made sure to get to a store….sadly my time was limited and the place I was dropped off at was essentially a German version of Business Depot with a music store on the 5th floor….My hopes were not high as I entered the place ( called Saturn ) but what a great experience….quick benchmark – went to the H’s and they had both Dirt Farmer and Electric Dirt for 9 euros……they had all of Kings of Leon for 6.99 euros and just about all the Dylan releases for 6.99 euros including many double releases – including Time out of Mind and Love and Theft together for just 6.99 euros. A real treat in the Band section where just about everything was available. Picked up Stage Freight with the bonus tracks and had fun listening to it with others in the car and bus……… people only got interested at The Shape I’m In onwards and you wonder if the track order would have been the same had Stage Freight been released in the CD era where all producers tend to stack the best tracks in order at the beginning of a CD…….

* Todd: Really good to see you back and some very interesting posts…especially the one which ranked releases based on the number of tracks that are played rather than regularly skipped over…..NLSC has three of my favorite Band songs – by most standards – three of the best Band songs…..So is it a 2 star album or a 4 star one. If Brown album is 5 stars then how does one rank a release that only has 3 tracks that one regularly listens to ( I listen to it all but that’s besides the point )……interesting questions…….I always play all songs on Love and Theft – always. I never play all songs on Blonde on Blonde……does this make Love and Theft a better release? Not by anyone else standards I wouldn’t think……..An album that included Visions of Johanna surrounded by 9 Cher outtakes might still warrant a 4 star review in the same way that any release that features 3 songs of the standard of IMND, Ophelia, and Acadian Driftwood automatically qualifies for great album designation…..

* Joan: Belated thanks for that great article on Martin Guitars……..I travel with a Little Martin and it makes me feel better spending time each night with an instrument made by a company who take care of the people who work for them….


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Long Distance Information

Only the other week, meeting up with old friends, we spent a happy few minutes deciding whether the greatest rock song was Nadine (my vote), No Particular Place To Go, Memphis Tennessee, Johnny B. Goode or The Promised Land. Four of them were in the UK chart between late 1963 and early 1965 (Memphis was a reissue coupled with Let it Rock)."hurry home drops" would have swayed my vote if I'd thought about it.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Web: My link

Subject: Chuck Berry gets a little r-e-s-p-e-c-t

Readers of the New York Times know Verlyn Klinkenborg primarily as the writer of short editorial-page pieces celebrating the pleasures of the rural life. His piece in today's paper (link above) is an unusual appreciation of of a great song.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Going Green

Big pay is an attractive incentive for groups to get back & play together. What do successful touring acts like the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Neil Diamond, Jimmy Buffett and others have in common?

The answer my friends is Irving Azoff's Frontline Management, which is now part of the Ticketmaster universe.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Feuds and fueds

I thought a blood feud involved shotguns and mountains and the odd bit of incest and banjo music. None of the musicians are in a “blood feud”. What was obvious about Fleetwood Mac was that thirty years on deep emotions were being stirred, and their faces (Stevie & Lindsey) showed hurt and resentment just talking about it. In contrast, Fleetwood and McVie seemed cheerful souls content with their lot living in Hawaii, and who wouldn’t be. There are things that dropped into the interview, Stevie Nicks mentioning that she had never been invited to Lindsey’s home. Then there are rumours outside the programme, that Lindsey had to agree to behave “respectfully” on the current tour etc.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Pete, feuding musicians are people. Which means they are going to behave the way they would regardless- the same as if they were feudng over something that came between them as partners in a auto body shop or because of their kids. Once someone takes it as a blood feud, well... A blood feud is a blood feud is a blood feud. Obviously the feuding yet participating members of Fleetwood Mac haven't got a blood feud going.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: To Quote Bruce Cockburn

Hope nobody minds if I congratulate Hamid Karzai on his electoral win in Afghanistan. I know it was all a little anti-climatic after Lady Clinton announced he would be the winner a couple of weeks back even before Abdullah removed himself from the "race" because the system is so corrupt. But at least our guy won and that is all that matters in the end. Let the money flow! And they call it democracy...........


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Fleetwood Mac: the winner takes it all....

Abba is another feuding band which did their best stuff while driving through divorce...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Feuding Musicians

There was a very good recent documentary on Fleetwood Mac on BBC last night, Don't Stop. The concert footage of the first versions of Rhiannon are more Joplinesque than I ever imagined. There are recent interviews (except with Christine McVie), and as they interchanged between interviews with Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks, you could see that the "feud" there was very, very deep, and mutual, and as Stevie said "maybe it'll heal by the time we're 75." But she also said that at it's worst, they never contemplated leaving the band (though Lindsey did later after Tango in the Night was recorded). She said "Fleetwood Mac was bigger than both of us, and we had to stay." Lindsey Buckingham said much the same about the 'importance of the combined work.'

A message for all feuding musicians?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The heart of Columbia

Let us know how your investigations go … I've never noticed it on British CBS releases (Columbia was CBS here until the late 80s). But I'll look.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Web: My link

Subject: Robbie comments on Last Waltz


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Clarification

I'm referring to a tiny gray heart symbol in the lower right corner of the back of the LP cover, not on the disc itself. I've seen it on 1970's era LP covers from artists including Dylan and The Byrds, mostly of reissued records from the 1960s. I know this isn't as interesting as the hidden images of The Beatles and other people supposedly imbedded in the "John Wesley Harding" album cover photo, but I've wondered about this bit of trivia for years. Thanks again.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Columbia Records Question

I just learned that the origins of the Columbia Record label were in the Washington, DC area, and the name was derived from District of Columbia. The actual question I had--which is not easily found on the web--is why certain Columbia LPs from the 1970s bore a little heart symbol in the lower right corner? Does it show that the record was a reissue? Does it indicate that disc was made a certain pressing plant? I figure if David doesn't know, nobody does (unless someone who worked for Columbia in the 1970s reads this). Thanks!


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Garth's Guestbook

While checking out the Garth and Maud Halloween Greeting over at their website just now, I noticed they have a guestbook. It's currently under construction but promises to be up and running very,very soon. I wonder if Garth himself might post, and better yet, possibly even respond to others ? NB


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Garth & Maud

Be sure to check out the Halloween greeting from Garth & Maud


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

"The Who's" recent nod to Garth.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: ZZZZ

Thanks for the link, great version...


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Posted by:

Joan

Location: pumpkin patch

Subject: The Yankees

No one showed up for trick or treat. Go Yankees! 7-4


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Five Runs Later...

...never mind.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

The rain delay is over but Yankees fans may wish the deluge continued. They're looking like a bunch of old guys who can't be bothered to bend over and pick up the ball. Of course, baseball--like Rock'n'Roll--is for the young.


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Posted by:

joe j

I passed up a great party to watch the game and now it's rained out. What to do? Crack open a bottle and play 'Exile On Main Street'? Works for me. Does R & R get any down and dirtier?

Should check the Philly forecast though.


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Posted by:

NB

Web: My link


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Autumn

LINK: A very fitting and beautiful tune for this time of year. ENJOY!!! LUVYA xoxoxo

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