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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, August 2011


Entered at Wed Aug 31 23:24:52 CEST 2011 from (75.34.53.206)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

The whole Clapton hype for Robbie's album bugs me. If you look online, many articles even feature headlines like "ERIC CLAPTON, Robbie Robertson collaborate on album". Clapton is kids' stuff compared to Robbie. As a guitarist and student of the guitar, whenever I bring up this opinion people seem puzzled... as if, how can CLAPTON not be the greatest ever? He isn't. Robbie may not have his chops up like Clapton has consistently for years, but there's a totally different career arc there. Besides, comparing Clapton's career work to Robbie's - Ronnie Hawkins, John Hammond, Bob Dylan, and of course with The Band - there's no doubt in my mind Robbie could slay Clapton with one jagged, vibrato-soaked cry of his guitar. And Robbie really influenced Clapton, and I don't hear much evidence at all of the opposite being true.

Link above - Robbie & Clapton, Rock Hall Induction - "Further On Up The Road". Perfect example of why I think Robbie is the king. Clapton dresses the song all throughout with slick, clean, single note lead guitar soloing. Watch when Robbie takes his solo. Raw, gritty, passionate, and incendiary. And that tone sounds like the speakers were cut with a razor blade. When Robbie bends those notes like that, it's ridiculous.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 22:29:43 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Not aimed at anyone in particular, but I'm a bit mystified why there is always a need to compare Robbie's and Levon's achievements. They have chosen very different paths in life, but both are excelling at what they do. I'm grateful they are both still making wonderful music. (And Garth too of course!)


Entered at Wed Aug 31 21:59:52 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Eric

Maybe Clapton's sales potential is why he got telegraphed in totally unnecessarily for a track on "Jubilation" that Jim Weider could have played in his sleep with one hand tied behind his back.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 21:49:34 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

david, i agree wholeheartedly about the heavy promotion and Clapton's collaboration driving RR's records sales. No doubt, heavy promotion will accompany RR's future literary works, be they in childrens or adult markets. The areas that he probably won't approach the success that levon has had recently will probably be musical accomplishment, fan enjoyment, and live performance sales. I guess success is iN how you read it.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 19:35:20 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Derek, Eric, Robbie & some Dominos

On the Crossroads 2 DVD, Robbie was visible (along side of Bill Murray) enjoying the performance of Derek Trucks & Susan Tedeschi, which included the Derek & the Dominos song "Andyday" (link).

Jeff: With no less a collaborator as Eric Clapton, one should think that the sales figures for Robbie's album benefited from that point alone.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 19:02:07 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: DEREK

Been following Derek's work since he was 10 and own tapes & videos of him playing at age 13--a full concert in fact! I first saw Derek in 1997 opening for Gregg Allman.Derek is supremely gifted and his new band has really started to kick ass live during the last 6 months,after a shaky beginning.Derek's finest work can be found on Crossroads 2 (EC's guitar party!) and on his tour with EC.Also,his studio work in Jazz and with many others merits a listen as well.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 18:36:03 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

David P. maybe RR could accomplish that by bringing Larry Campbell into his musical camp. :-) Or, maybe RR could collaborate on a children's book about his life & write his bio.



Entered at Wed Aug 31 18:32:26 CEST 2011 from (70.78.225.207)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: just beyond Hope, B.C.

Thanks Kevin and Joan for updates re: sales of RR's album. Pat, like dlew, I'm a big Susan Tedeschi fan and Derek is a monster guitar player. It seems that everyone who sees them live is blown away, (as echoed by you and Charlie Y.) so I'll need to track them down live some day. I have Susan's first album and plan to pick up "Hope and Desire" and if it's available, also her Austin City Limits video (has a great interpretation of Don't Think Twice -says she was brought up on Dylan). She does a great version of Walkin' Blues on a tribute album to Robert Johnson, which is on Youtube as well (avoid the live versions). There's a lot more to her than just a "blues-belter" (ie. Bonnie Rait on steroids). To very little response here at the GB, a few months ago I linked to 4 or 5 of her videos (Lord Protect My Child, Soul of A Man, Share your Love with Me, The Weight with both Derek and the Levon Helm Band, etc).

Kevin, if that St. Ambroise beer is the one I think, it's made from oatmeal and it's on my target list. Maybe I can find some in Bracebridge when we move there in a few weeks.

Jeff, read somewhere that Honey Boy Edwards was on the scene when Robert Johnson was poisoned-is that factual, to your knowledge ? Nonetheless, an amazing direct link to the distant blues past). NB.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 17:31:53 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Re :History Lessons

Pat, don't get down on yourself. To use the terminology you employed, if you "should have said" something, you would have. After all, you are the poster who repeated so adamantly that " I always say exactly what I mean." I certainly hope that the correction I made for Paul's sake did not alter your concept of self.



Entered at Wed Aug 31 16:40:19 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: How To Become Relevant Again

Following the heavy promotional effort and initial sales figures, "How To Become Clairvoyant" may well be the biggest selling Band related album in recent years. However, it's been 13 years since Robbie's last new studio recording. That said, the pertinent, comparative question would be: can he equal the momentum & combined sales figures that Levon has achieved with "Dirt Farmer", "Electric Dirt" (both Grammy winners), "Ramble at the Ryman" and his live performances over the last few years?


Entered at Wed Aug 31 16:11:38 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Paul, jeff is right. I should have said when the group reconvened, there were eight humanoids on stage performing songs of The Band on various musical instruments. Thanks, jeff, for illuminating this critical point. This would mean nobody replaced RR in The Band. Paul, I'm sure this helps.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 15:39:17 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: The Band Cate Bros/Weider

A few years back there was a contract for sale on ebay. it was for the tour where they opened up for CSN (summer of 85) and only the 4 original members signed so I would concur that the Cates and probably Weider were all hired hands not full members at that point.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 13:02:18 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


Entered at Wed Aug 31 12:54:10 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Happy Birthday, Van Morrison. Born August 31, 1945.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 06:22:44 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: History Lessons

Paul, I strongly doubt the prior assertion directed to you that the Cates were Band members. But would not doubt that they were hired participants in Band performances.



Entered at Wed Aug 31 06:08:43 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: SwornTo SERVE & Protect


Entered at Wed Aug 31 05:10:52 CEST 2011 from (74.118.207.169)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: george harrison

you are right, rockin chair, george harrison is missed, and his music is so good. i have a cd mix i made of just his songs from beatle albums. it's an impressive collection of tracks, and there was yet so much more to come during his solo years. all things must pass is a very strong album; cloud 9 is very good; the traveling wilburys stuff is full of wonderful tunes and moments. and for those who have not seen the "concert for george"...go check it out! wonderful performances by his musicians/friends. lennon/mccartney got so much of the attention, but his contributions are excellent.

peace be with us all!


Entered at Wed Aug 31 04:31:04 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Inspirations

I was out on my tug, (working) for my birthday! I was fortunate enough to be dropping off a piece of equipment, where Susan was able to meet me, and come out for the last day of my trip, and spend my birthday with me.

She is such a sweet lady, and has become a good sailor too. So on this birthday note, thank you very much David Lewis. You are a good, and considerate friend. Thank you all for your wishes on Face book. As I just got home today, I will respond soon.

I was going to put a web page up here just now, but can't get it to work. The other night as I towed along, with my feet up, listening to some of my favourite music, I was really missing George Harrison, one of my most favourite musician, singers, song writers ever.

I have just been watching on youtube one of my greatest inspirations. Billy Preston, at the tribute to George, with all the most inspirational, and most talented musicians who loved George, (including his son), backing Billy as he sings, "My Sweet Lord". Watch it! That is a moving experience. Where ever George is, I hope he is with Roy Orbison, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel......what a hell of a BAND.


Entered at Wed Aug 31 00:42:48 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


Entered at Wed Aug 31 00:14:46 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I have absolutely no idea, but I'm hazarding a guess that RR's credit for "The Touchstone logo theme" might be his most profitable composition, assuming he got mechanicals very time it's appeared on screen / video / DVD / Blu-ray. I know the guy who wrote the BBC News theme made a fortune. Who knows? Maybe it was a fee job. I doubt it.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 22:40:52 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.124)

Posted by:

Pat B

Paul, no one replaced RR--the group quit performing. When they reconvened without RR, there were eight members on stage. Weider joined when the Cate Brothers left. Richard was in that quintet until March of 86.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 22:35:05 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks Kevin

I'm nearly completist on BARK now. Bill M and Steve, the link to the Band, Garth playing on 'Let's Frolic Again' and me researching them and seeing their liking of John Martyn made me take a chance on 'Let's Frolic Again' and I've never looked back.

But I don't have them doing Acadian Driftwood so thanks.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 22:26:41 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: When do you know your getting old?

Just read Paul's earlier post. He used the letters, IMHO. How do you know your getting old? I had to go look it up on Google to see what it means. I mean I used to think that LOL meant lots of love; not lots of laughs. I'll have to go get an internet shortcut book.

By the way Paul it was Jim that replaced Robertson; in the newer version of the Band; but Richard was still with them at that time.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 22:15:19 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Dunc

Above link is Bill M's fav's voting in favour of the Band and doing a very good take on Acadian Driftwood - stick with the clip as it is better than first glimpse might indicate.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 22:12:47 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Adam

You definitely need Planet Waves, Adam. It's good to see this album being more appreciated in recent times. I think Robbie's guitar playing on 'Going, Going Gone' is great.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 22:07:51 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: This fat girl come up and grabbed me

I think that's a great song, Kevin. Everytime I hear it, I think it's uplifting. I think BARK's version is great, maybe better than the original?(which I think is great)

I've been to several places in the song, and coincidentally, Murray McLauchlan was born up the road from where I'm sitting just now.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 21:59:13 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.124)

Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin J, yes, just one would be quite something.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 20:29:08 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

For Levon Helm completists…….He and his wife acted out a great take on Acadian Driftwood in a musical special Murray Mclauchlan did in 1984 called “Floating Over Canada”……….A great special where Mclauchlan flies across Canada in a float plane and touches down in all of the provinces and territories to sing with folks……….Buffy St. Marie is a knockout in this special as well........and if you manage to get your hands on this Adam.....the PHD is yours...

Link to Mclauchlan's "Henry Moore"


Entered at Tue Aug 30 20:26:38 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Connecticut & Missouri Pizza

Kevin, Your post brought food to mind. For some reason st louis has a huge proliferation of Mongolian BBQ restaurants. Unfortunately, to use a old expresion, for the most part the food here is from hunger. Venturing into a restaurant here is usually a very dissapointing experince. That said, to give credit where it's due, The Gumbo Shop, on McKnight & Manchester in Rock Hill, is extraordinary. And BB's Jazz, Blues, & Soups has the best food of any music establishment I;ve ever been in. Their soups are amazing, and many other dishes are excellent.The pork chops, no matter how they are preparing them that day,, are excellent.

So yesterday, I'm leaving the organic dry cleaners (there is a difference) same time as another customer. He noticed my NY plates ( i haven't switched yet as I may take off) and asked me if i missed NY. He said he was originally from Connecticut, and he knows the difference. I asked him what part, he said New Haven. I replied, oh, where the great pizza is. Well,the guy seemed just about heartbroken. "Oh , don't get me started. They have things here they call cheese, that aren't even in a real food group...." They use something called Provel cheese here, which is a man made tasteless com bination of god knows what. St Louis Style Pizza is really awful. St Louis also specializes in Toasted Ravioli. Can you imagine?

All that said, it's hard to get good pizza in Brooklyn these days.



Entered at Tue Aug 30 19:37:25 CEST 2011 from (41.132.14.120)

Posted by:

Paul

Location: Johannesburg

Subject: Weider

I understand that Jim Weider joined the band after Robbie left, but IMHO there were only ever five members of The Band... BTW I loved your comment about The Last Waltz...I felt and still feel exactly the same. Damn 'Time' for taking them away...!


Entered at Tue Aug 30 19:18:17 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Thank you for that link….great memories. Seems better how Punk/New Wave just ended abruptly rather than dying the slow horrible death the “Rock” music has. I see now that even Republicans find a certain tingle comes over them when describing one of their own as a “rock star”….at least punk was not around long enough to suffer such an indignity of association. Dick Cheney might think Scooter was framed but not likely he knows that Syd was…………. No I did not attend the funeral as I was in Quebec to attend another funeral. The Saturday was beautiful but Sunday was wild with darkness, wind and lots of rain and no power in parts of Montreal for much of the day and night………….BTW, St. Ambroise is a great beer available in Montreal and so convenient to be able to pick it up at the corner store….

In response to a question as to whether he was happy that he would live on forever through his movies…..Woody Allen said he would be happier to just live for another 30 years at his apartment.

NB: “How to Become Clairvoyant” got to position 13 on the Billboard 200 and hung around the mid 50's for a while before falling off…….it stayed in the Canadian Top 10 for quite a while……..It is the biggest selling album of RR’s career by far and I would think easily the biggest selling Band related disc in 40 years. That all said - I think Rod Stewart put more money in RR’s account with his cover of “Broken Arrow” than anything else post Band.

Jeff……No rice yet……..delaying departure waiting on instalment 1057 of Pat/Jeff Question and Answer session……The miniseries does apparently end in 2029 with one of the parties expressing satisfaction with the other’s answer……


Entered at Tue Aug 30 17:14:19 CEST 2011 from (71.62.70.35)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Tedeschi-Trucks

I've been a Susan Tedeschi fan from her first CD and have most of her husband Derek's recordings as well. I've seen her in concert several times and I've seen them in concert together a couple of times. All were great shows. One time even included "The Weight." I like their first disc together with their new band, though I've only listened to in once.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 16:04:37 CEST 2011 from (90.239.78.128)

Posted by:

NotrthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Sorry

Sorry for my recent post. It was not worth this forum and great people who post here, not to mention The Band. I am ashamed, but unfortunately I will never change :-(

I will take time-out now.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 15:00:18 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: One More Shot

Danko/Fjeld/Andersen also covered "One More Shot" with Jonas Fjeld on lead vocals.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 14:16:56 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Floyd Hudson

Peter V: thanks for the mention of "Us and Them". It's on YuToube already, naturally, and it's very nice indeed. According to the Leopard Studio (Ulster Co.) blog, the Hudsons added their magic there to Paisley's bits which were tracked in Toronto.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 10:51:38 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dark Side of The Moon

I bought my Mojo with cover CD with Garth & Maud on "Us & Them" at the local newsagent … when I looked inside I realised they're also doing a high-grade vinyl LP (as they did with the Let It Be tribute). That's only available at HMV, W.H. Smith and Barnes & Noble (for the USA), but I would have bought the vinyl version if I'd known. It costs a lot more though. Judging from the "Let It Be" vinyl it will be great quality.

Other browsings in Mojo reveal Bobby Vee doing the monthly question session. His current listening is "Bob Dylan, The Band, Greg Allman" from his favourite 70s mix tape that he rediscovered. Bobby Vee also cites Daniel Lanois' "Acadie" as his favourite Sunday morning record. I don't know why that was unexpected. Vee was Dylan's first professional employer after all.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 08:14:22 CEST 2011 from (59.101.2.91)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Tedeschi Trucks

I'm a big fan.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 04:33:13 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

Being unable to get over myself and in a never ending quest to control and demand how people respond to anything, I'm curious if anyone has listened to the Tedeschi Trucks Band. I saw them last week and they were phenomenal.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 03:47:43 CEST 2011 from (208.120.213.56)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Subject: Re: Jesse James album

Link is to One More Shot from the Jesse James album. Heard Levon sing this one live a few times... I believe the Band opened their Carnegie Hall '97 show with it, with Garth on accordion. A fun song, and I thought it captured the spirit of the 90s Band pretty nicely.


Entered at Tue Aug 30 00:58:51 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

David Honeyboy Edwards has passed. The last one standing has laid down to rest.


Entered at Mon Aug 29 21:55:28 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Garth & Maud track

The October 2011 Mojo covermount disc is a tribute to "Dark Side Of The Moon". Track 7 is Doug Paisley, with Garth & Maud Hudson on "Us and Them."


Entered at Mon Aug 29 21:01:07 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: rotting on reunion tours

"Ode to an Aging Rock Critic"


Entered at Mon Aug 29 19:14:45 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: More Levon

Levon turned in another fine performance on "When I Get My Rewards" on the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's "Will The Circle Be Unbroken Vol. 2". Also featured are Jerry Douglas on Dobro, Mark O'Connor on fiddle, Randy Scruggs acoustic guitar and the late/great Roy Huskey Jr. on stand-up bass.


Entered at Mon Aug 29 19:01:57 CEST 2011 from (90.239.106.180)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Catherine Sebastian, a negative post

Even if I thanked Mr. Hoiberg for the link, it does not mean that I found those photos pleasant or attractive or not even informative any more. No, they are awful, they make me feel sick, they are evil. If my painful ischias wouldn't keep me awake in the night I certainly would get nitemares.

In late sixties / early seventies when COLONEL GHADDAFI was a young man in Libya he tryid to manipulate people even here in Nordic Countries by using poor students as messengers. The prochures they gave to long-haired stupid idealistisc hippies like me had similar photos as Mrs. Sebastian's album cover photos on Levon & company. Same poses, same faces. I have them but I never read them. I have an archive which is called "The Shit Of The Shit" of the past 50 years. It is inspired of the French phrase "Creme de la Creme" - just the opposite. Have a very painful night everyone.


Entered at Mon Aug 29 18:02:34 CEST 2011 from (90.239.106.180)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Catherine Sebastian (photographer)

Thanks for the link in What's New on this web site.


Entered at Mon Aug 29 16:12:08 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Adam

Adam, don't forget "Short Fat Fannie" from Levon's drumming tape.


Entered at Mon Aug 29 15:26:17 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Levon

Also worth checking out is guitarist extraordinaire Arlen Roth's 2008 album "Toolin' Around Woodstock", recorded at Levon's studio. Levon is featured on lead vocals & drums on "Sweet Little Sixteen" and the Buck Owens classic "Cryin' Time".


Entered at Mon Aug 29 14:41:36 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: One Day

For those interested in this week's movies, I just posted my review of "One Day" (Anne Hathaway / Jim Sturgess) on my blog. In contrast to much of the English press, it's positive!


Entered at Mon Aug 29 14:26:46 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I was just looking for Working In A Coalmine. I have it on cassette somewhere, but I have boxes of cassettes. From memory, it's not great. BUT I say this as someone who has four different Lee Dorsey compilation CDs, most of the singles and a couple of LPs. I'm a huge Lee Dorsey fan and always took issue with the claim that The Band played Lee Dorsey as well as Lee Dorsey. They didn't. I'm also a major Eddie Cochran fan, and don't rate Levon's Summertime Blues at all. But Lean On Me is a long way different from the original and I think it's one of his best covers.

The Jesse James album is essential. Not just for Levon either. Like Largo it's a great album in itself.


Entered at Mon Aug 29 12:57:13 CEST 2011 from (75.34.45.205)

Posted by:

Adam

Thanks Peter. Have you heard the Lee Dorsey cover? I should check out the "Jesse James" project... that seems right in the same category as these soundtrack rarities.

I'm even enjoying Levon's early solo albums. I think I'm going to get the recent two-fer reissues of those from Raven Records.


Entered at Mon Aug 29 12:43:24 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Lean On Me works particularly well. It's 25% shorter than the Bill Withers while having all the words … Levon takes it much faster and it's OK like that.

You really need The Largo album for Levon's Gimmee A Stone and Garth's "Garth's Largo."


Entered at Mon Aug 29 12:26:29 CEST 2011 from (75.34.45.205)

Posted by:

Adam

I just found out about Levon's cover of "Lean On Me" from the Staying Together soundtrack. As time goes on, I see myself having no choice but becoming more and more of a Band completist. How many of these little gems are there? Just when I think I've heard of them all, I find new ones. What are some opinions of his version?

I really want his cover of Lee Dorsey's "Working In The Coal Mine" (B-side to "Blue Moon Of Kentucky" single), but I can't even find that single online.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 21:01:23 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Is it safe to come out of the foxhole? The Hurricane is over and thankfully we came out of it OK. Miraculously we even kept our power on.Thank you for all your concern.

Adam, I agree with you. I don't like it when People start "sniping"

NB I'm sure others will give you a better report, but Robbie's CD did very well (even here in the GB. Most people liked it and some said "It grew on them. Chartwise,I think it got to #11. (correct me if I'm wrong). He has an excellent publicist, he got a lot of coverage including Radio and TV.

Jeff, did you know that Rick claimed some Mongolian heritage?


Entered at Sun Aug 28 19:31:25 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link


Entered at Sun Aug 28 19:11:19 CEST 2011 from (70.78.225.207)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: just beyond Hope, B.C.

Subject: How's Robbie's Album Doing ?

When I was around last on a regular basis, RR's album was just out and was a topic of discussion. Has it done well in terms of sales ? "Well" being a relative term. One of course wouldn't expect it do as well as an album by say Stratford, Ontario's most famous "singer" (broadly defined); one might more reasonably expect it to do as well as that town's second most famous singer, were he still alive and putting out solo albums. If you can address my question, I will be eternally grateful for the next five minutes or so. As a bonus, if you can ID the two aforementioned Stratford singers correctly, I'll see that your GB fees for 2012 get waived. NB. (Thanks so much Joan! Hope you're well and remain so.)


Entered at Sun Aug 28 17:58:27 CEST 2011 from (59.101.2.91)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Happy Birthday Westcoaster!

And many, many, many more!


Entered at Sun Aug 28 17:39:49 CEST 2011 from (74.82.68.33)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding

In the end, it's the music that matters, and it speaks eloquently for itself. I don't want to choose sides, as I'd rather play both side 1 and side 2 of the LP or 45. This weekend I'm enjoying Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab's outstanding LP reissue of "Stage Fright", transferred flat from the original master tape mixes by Rob LoVerde. Mr. LoVerde recently cleared up the confusion over the mixes used for the original Capitol LP. It was sourced from Todd Rundgren's second set of mixes, except for "All The Glory", "The Shape I'm In" and "The Rumor", which were sourced from Glyn John's second set of mixes. Mr. Rundgren's mixes were done at The Hit Factory in New York and Mr. John's were completed at Island Studios in London. As with the MoFi hybrid-SACD version, this new, faithful LP reissue presents this great transitional album in the way The Band originally intended.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 15:25:11 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Smart arse wives who reckon they've heard it all before

Sorry to hear about that Pete

Chin up though mate. There's always hope.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 28 14:33:03 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Mine said, "I didn't laugh the other twice I'd heard it either."


Entered at Sun Aug 28 13:18:37 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al edge

Subject: Ha ha

Dunc - I actually posted my Ee aye Addio before reading your post.

But you nailed it, mate. i feel like i'm floating. I was there yesterday - as ever - and boy were we fuckin good.

Some unbelievable stuff and little Luis is currently on par with Messi as the finest footballer in the world. No dispute for me. The ball he played to Downing was arguably the finest I've ever seen in all my years watching football. Not that Downing's connection shot was that far down the pecking order either.

Very happy days.

I love the fact your missus laughed out loud. Mine just gave me a dirty look as if to say - "don't get any feckin ideas!!!!!"

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 28 13:11:36 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: And another thing of far greater significance

Ee aye Addio
We're gonna win the league.

you heard it here first.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 28 13:09:49 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Al

My wife laughed out loud at your crocodile joke.

You're just too happy these days with your team amd smiling King Kenny.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 13:05:56 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunn

Location: Scotland

Subject: A legacy

The reason I found this excellent website and enjoyable GB was that I wondered if the Band would have a legacy. Think of the many bands we never hear of now.

I was not the Band fanatic I am now and until about 15 years ago only owned 4 of the albums. But as I stopped playing many albums I continued going back to the Band albums, Planet Waves and the Basement Tapes. So I bought all the other material.

Incidentally it was interesting to see 'Going, Going , Gone' included on a Rolling Stone's list of under rated Dylan songs.

I'm convinced the Band will have a legacy. I watched and enjoyed the recently successful French film, 'Little White Lies'(a film exploring selfishness and self centred ness) last night.

But what was an added bonus was that 'The Weight' was part of the soundtrack. It sounded very fresh.

It's quite a feat that a song written about 40 years ago should appear in a successful film made in another language in another country.

P.S. Joan, I hope you are OK.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 13:05:29 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Hullabaloo

I agree with Jeff, Pete and Pat B and disagree with everything else anyone else has ever said... ever. So stick that in yer fuckin pipe and smoke it.

:-0)

And another thing whilst i'm at it. Why the fuck did nobody laugh at my crocodile joke? Eh? Eh? It's just not fuckin on. Okay!

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 28 11:50:37 CEST 2011 from (75.34.45.205)

Posted by:

Adam

I don't get why all this hostility is necessary here in the GB. So I'll stay clear of it. BUT I will say this - as great as everyone says The Beatles were, The Band was at least 20 times better. I have no doubt in my mind that is a completely sane statement to make. As you were...


Entered at Sun Aug 28 09:27:50 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, I’d balanced the consensus in your favour. If I’d said “100 general music fans” I reckon you’d have had to ask several blocks of 100 to get one. With “music critics” who are an ornery bunch inclined to incite controversy, you might get a couple to agree.

Mr Hargis, I've mailed you two dollars in dimes by surface mail in a plain brown envelope. I have a query. I’ve been feeling somewhat depressed recently. I was contemplating sueing the US government, as there was some stuff about guaranteeing “the pursuit of happiness” which I don’t think they’re fulfilling. OK, it’s the “pursuit” not “happiness” itself, but it still falls short of Advertising Standards. Admittedly, I’m not a US citizen, but I know a lot of them, and I watched “Friends” and “Dallas” on TV. Would you be prepared to take the case on, and would it be expensive?


Entered at Sun Aug 28 06:50:59 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Pat, it is quite amazing that you think you have the right to control or demand how people respond to anything. Get over yourself.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 04:43:17 CEST 2011 from (184.66.107.77)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Peter V re: Jeff

The critics would say "are you fucking daft?"


Entered at Sun Aug 28 03:26:17 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

jeff, you still have trouble answering a question. You are correct, I have no idea why I bother to ask.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 01:19:03 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

I would have expected a legal represntative to point out that his client did not reccollect ever noticing Band members wearing anything but boots or sneakers when they were in The Band.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 00:55:20 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Peter, I'm not back to critical consensus. You are. Critics are experts, I'm no expert. My opinion is worth as much as Pat's, which is almost nothing.... If i was an expert, i wouldn't have sent Hargis a buck fourteen for his efforts.

Eaquire, watch the mail, but if it doesn't get to you, the postal employee heard the pennies jingling & absconded with your hard earned fees.

Lars, is Irene expected to do damage over in Sullivan County? Bluesweeek awaits. Adios. Esquire, I will check my glove compartment for more change, and will send the balance of your full three dollar fee if i have it.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 00:25:09 CEST 2011 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

William S. Hargis, esq., Attorney at Law

Location: North Africa

Subject: Cutting to the chase

I would like to make it abundantly clear that my client PutEmUp(Friend0, who may or may not be living in or near St. Louis, Mo, USA, has neither confirmed or denied any scurrilous calumnies currently circulating this web site in regard to any person or appendage who was, is, or will be involved with the entity THE BAND, THIS BAND, or THAT BAND.

Furthermore, anyone who misrepresents, or has misrepresented, or is endeavoring to misrepresent and ideas, notions, or natural urges of my client is hereby given notice that you are, or will be, or may be, held liable and you may proceed at your own peril or risk, depending primarily on when you are bad-mouthing my client, in accordance to GMT. We will not tolerate anyone, child or elder, father or mutha, inner directed or outer directed, individual to cast stones in my client's direction and I must insist that all querries directed at Mr. Alexander not be of a personal nature, in regards to what he is thinking, feeling, imbibing or ingesting or aligned with in matters of musical and constructional taste as prescribed by US law which may or may not dictate his response to said querries.

Mr. PutEmUp(Friend0, please send 2 or 3 dollars to me for the above services rendered.


Entered at Sun Aug 28 00:17:54 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, you're back to "critical consensus" and if you got 100 rock critics to comment on your opinion that "The Beatles couldn't shine The Band's shoes" what do YOU think the result would be?


Entered at Sat Aug 27 23:49:21 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: CSI GB

Patty, oh Patty. The last time I read levon's book was probably 97. My memory is not as strong as it used to be.Probably the result of running my business off a cell phone since 1998.but I'll say this. Levon is entitled to have had his say. the best legacy is the truth. The music doesn't lie. That part of the legacy, the music we hear, can not be misrepresented. I think a good way to view the parts of levon;s book you personally find troublesome would be as a counterbalance to all the many things that RR has written & said that other people find to be disrespectful to the truth and certain aspects of the legacy of The Band & Band members. Fascinting that you have so much interest in my opinion. I certainly am far less interested in yours than you are interested in mine. Ask me any more questions about what i think, I'm going to lawyer up.

Last note, as i;ve said before, Th Band, has all the elements of tragedy. And it's along time since i can really listen to The Band without crying. and with all due respect , The Beatles couldn't shine The Band's shoes. Even given their great body of work, and their great individual works, nothing gets near the first two Band albums. I want my lawyer. George could have taken the place vacated by RR though. Not that, in either 76 or 83, he would have wanted to, but he could have. I ain't saying another word till my lawyer shows up.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 22:35:27 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.124)

Posted by:

Pat B

jeff, do you think Levon's book helped the legacy of the Band or hurt it?


Entered at Sat Aug 27 20:55:49 CEST 2011 from (96.224.51.200)

Posted by:

John W.

Great to see those lists of The Band's songs. They are awesome, of course, but "Sherry Darling" is simply the best song ever. Recorded and live. Oh, except possibly "Frankie".


Entered at Sat Aug 27 18:28:06 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutmUp(Friend0

Peter- then you meant a particular aapect of the legacy- even in the absence of typos, clarity is of the utmost importance when multidimensional words are used & complicated. controversial subjects are being disucssed. Tsk Tsk.
Kevin, are you laughing or have you already begun a heavy rice diet?


Entered at Sat Aug 27 18:15:00 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Article- how to play guitar like Robbie

I read it, still can't play like him.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 16:59:48 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Searchers and Al

Al. Thanks for these links. From the North American side of being a Searchers fan, I now see why I didn't pay as close attention; after the first two albums. Great information here. I still have my vinyl copies of the first two albums and the CD's to match.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 16:49:55 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: The Searchers

For John D and PV here's the guy's Searchers page btw.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 16:44:19 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: The Searchers - and others

Thanks for that review Pete. I think you've nailed it. Good shows. really good entertaing night and thoroughly enjoyable but nothing spectacular. Over the years I've been lucky enough to see all three formats - the original with Chris Crummy [used to go to our school] and Tony Jackson and the two split groups under john and frank and the other one with Mike pender.

The link is to a site I came across trying to unearth which out of john and Mike actually did play that early 12 string. Or was it both? Both lay claim. Certainly mike was lead vocalist on their great tracks once Tony left. Just how much did they or George harrison influence roger McGuinn's defintive 12 string chimes.

Anyroad I think it's a great find that site. He goes into the Searchers albums in some detail in another part of the site but the bit I've linked is for his take on the finest rock albums. Loads to read through and whether you agree with him or not his list of definitive rock albums is a tour de force.

:-0)



Entered at Sat Aug 27 14:22:12 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Searchers

I hope they come to Canada, John. They tour here a lot, and they said they do a month in Australia every January nowadays.

On Jackie DeShannon, I put on her anthology "What The World Needs Now is Jackie DeShannon" after watching the great 60s TV clip. What was interesting to me was how good her (hit) version of "The Weight" sounded now. I'd always been somewhat dismissive, but listening in isolation, she did it very well, with excellent backing.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 14:08:51 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: bob w

Thank you so much for the link to Sister Rosetta Tharpe. What a great was to wake up in the morning! My favourite by her is "My Journey To The Sky."


Entered at Sat Aug 27 14:06:45 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Jackie DeShannon

Just a quick note about Jackie. I might be one of the few people around that bought her cover of "Oh Boy" by Buddy Holly. Usually everyone was covering her.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 14:05:01 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Searchers

Peter I'm filled with envy. They were; along with The Beatles, were my favourite British bands of the 60's. I remember buying the first two L.P.'s; on the Pye label. A couple of years ago I bought the collection of mono recordings; on CD; because that's the way I originally heard them. I thank you for the history; because outside of the original members, I was not familiar; with the others that followed. I have always wanted to see The Searchers; even with John as the only original member left.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 13:40:29 CEST 2011 from (24.44.101.8)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Joan: Mayan calander doesn't call for the end of the world - it calls for the end of an Age.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 12:51:05 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: One for the lads …

In writing The searchers review, Google turned up the linked clip of Jackie DeShannon doing When You Walk In The room on TV. OK, she's miming, but I think those of us who remember the 60s will certainly appreciate her moves.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 12:50:29 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


Entered at Sat Aug 27 12:39:18 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Searchers

I saw The Searchers last night. If you're interested the link takes you to my customary review.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 11:16:04 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, by "legacy" I mean the material artefacts that comprise our present access … the remaster series, The Last Waltz remaster, the DVD-audio remix of Big Pink, A Musical History. He's put a lot of time and effort into preserving it.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 09:44:52 CEST 2011 from (216.190.25.130)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The Stones That I Throw again

John D was at the 14 Nov 1965 show. I was at the 15 Nov. 1965 show. I am sure I heard "The Stones That I Throw" at the 15 Nov. show. I was surprised to here it. I was already aware of it. On another matter; We are in Seattle now and we just got back from the Triple Door where we saw a band from Montana called "Marshall Catch". Watch for this band. They were in a word - superb. You can hear/ see some of their work on their website .


Entered at Sat Aug 27 09:18:45 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Peter, you wrote:" it’s pretty clear that Robbie controls both the name and the legacy". Peter, i could be wrong, but i tihnk a legacy has more than just a material meaning, or the rights to control the usage of the music. I think a band's legacy also has alot to do with people's enjoyment, perceptions, and the cultural value of the music, the impact the music made on the culture. I could go on. In that regard RR does not control the leagcy. but he ha smade great efforts to control how people consider who contributed what to The Band's legacy.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 09:13:39 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

That Massey Hall "The Stones I Throw" was a fascinating bit. I just looked it up … you could both be right, because they played two nights, 14 & 15 November. Setlist.fm's site has both shows listed, but tantalisingly no set lists submitted. By the 1966 tour, the set was close to set in concrete with a single shift possible, but in late 1965, very few sets survive.


Entered at Sat Aug 27 09:06:58 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

None of us know the legal bits. All we have is an aside from Levon that the others sold their shares to RR, but he didn't. He wisely assumed future value to be more than cash in hand. Others didn't foresee reissues, remasters, box sets etc. At a point in the 80s it must have seemed worth little, and might have turned out to be. Whichever, if three or even two sold a fifth, that gives RR control over decisions and the name. The retained fifth would keep its value, but would always be outvoted?


Entered at Sat Aug 27 07:08:57 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Pat, you wrote :" Jeff, many things happen in ways you can't imagine them happening. Going "country rude" in the middle of a business negotiation evidently isn't one of them. Have you ever found that to be a good negotiating tool?"

To your first point: Anything can happen anytime. To your second point: Anything can happen any time. There are all kinds of business negotiations and all kinds of bad deals and all kinds of reactions, each of which may or may to be appropriate to the situation. I doubt that your assertion is correct across the board. To your third point or rather to the question you asked me, which had nothing to do with the subject ( my life or your life have nothing to do with The Band's dealings). I wouldn't know how to go "country rude". But, in real life situations, and in construction busines dealings, there's been frequent times that another party was pushing something and overlooked the polite other options I offered in various innocuous or firm but friendly ways. When the last point of tolerance, or do or die was reached or was about to be, when it was time to go "Brooklyn balls out" it was always the appropriate response and accomplished what it needed to.

Musical, or music business dealings are entirely different, and if you can't accept or deal with someone's business or music related behavior pleasantly, you're better off not dealing with them. Regardless of who they are.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 22:27:43 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: balada del hombre delgado ...

Norbert: Senor Jones, obviously.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 21:39:56 CEST 2011 from (91.42.226.185)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Can you tell me what we're waiting for, senor ?

Señor who?


Entered at Fri Aug 26 21:10:29 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Living on the road with four other guys for 15 years does indeed sound like an impossible way of life, but surely there's a better chance of success than writing an autobiography with four other guys. Speaking of which, I wonder what the world record is for number of joint authors of a single book (not counting the bible or edited works).


Entered at Fri Aug 26 21:06:42 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Forces of nature

I'm sitting here waiting to be hit by a hurricane. Earlier this week we felt an earthquake. I'm beginning to think that someone or thing is trying to send a message. Maybe the Mayan Calendar was right, The world might end in 2012. It's just practicing for 2012 now. I'll probably lose electricity Saturday night. Who knows when we will get it back.

Hi Northern Boy nice to see you back.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 21:01:22 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.124)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, many things happen in ways you can't imagine them happening. Going "country rude" in the middle of a business negotiation evidently isn't one of them. Have you ever found that to be a good negotiating tool?


Entered at Fri Aug 26 20:27:21 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: (impossible way of) Life

This may give JRR some incentive to get going on the authorized autobiography: Keef's _Life_ has sold one million copies.
In related news, _The Musical Adventures of Billy and Mojo_ appears to have stalled; billyandmojodotcom just says "coming soon."


Entered at Fri Aug 26 19:19:17 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Crackers

Jeff: The original recording contract, signed in February 1968, was between Capitol Records and Groscourt Productions, Inc., with The Crackers listed as the performing group.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 18:32:55 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Tour 65

I just checked out some set lists from August of '65 and Nov 2 1965. There aren't any for Toronto. On both occasions it was Dylan acoustic; in the first half and The Hawks backing him in the 2nd half.

Dylan rarely did the same exact sets each night; with the exception of always ending the night; with Like A Rolling Stone. I believe Levon's last night was just before Nov 26th.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 18:16:57 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Massey Hall

Wow. My memory must be going. The way I remember it was Dylan coming out for the first half acoustic solo. He returned in the 2nd half; with The Hawks backing him for the 2nd set. I do not remember The Hawks being out there alone; nor do I remember hearing The Stones I Throw.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 17:50:33 CEST 2011 from (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Peter, it's an odd situation that noone has clarified publicly, proabbly never will. Nondisclosure agreement? Of course, regardless of any rearrangement of legalities, The 80s /90s Band could not copyright as The Band unless rearrangement of membership had been addressed legally previously, without RR they were a different legal entity.

I don't have either collection you referenced, but I don't see anyway ever where Levon would have relinquished control of his rights. If there was any deal, there sure as hell must have been some kind of non disclosure accompanying it. I don't know, but I can't see the guys relinquishing control of the name & the legacy in order to be able to use the name on future recordings & for touring.

Going way back to the beginning of The Band, this would be intersting history and David P may even have some legal perspective on it. They were Levon & The Hawks first. so the question becomes, were they a legal entity before The Band was formed? Was The Band the actual name of the legal entity when they were The Band. Hey. they could have legaly been Helm, Hudson, Danko, Manuel & Robertson, and just Doing Business As The Band. I have no idea. ..Say they were legally a corporate entity known as The Band. I imagine good entertainment lawyers back then would put in a clause about a member leaving and what happens to control of the name. Maybe not. OF course there is the often refernced potential deal, buyout (of exactly what?) back in the early 80s,but far as I know nothing is firmly known, and I still don't see Levon going along with giving up his portion of rights to The name The Band, in order to use the name. I can't imagine any of them doing that, but , you never know. But I could see Levon getting "country rude" had that been the situation on the table. Of ocurse, if something occurred, there must have ebeena non disclosure. But, again, if the original lawyer actually protectd all 5 members fairly, then H H, M & D , should not have been over a legal barrel when they reformed.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 17:48:12 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: L&THawks Massey Hall

Bill M My recollection was that they performed on their own (can't remember if it was before Dylan came on stage or somewhere in the midst of the show, with Dylan going off) but I remember the performance did occur. If Dylan were on stage, I'd remember that for sure. John D. Do you remember at your show how it went with "The Stones That I Throw"?


Entered at Fri Aug 26 17:33:51 CEST 2011 from (70.78.225.207)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: just beyond Hope, B.C.

Subject: Thanks (and Hi to All)/ Whispering Pines (well, not really)

Thanks Kevin and Bill, for the "welcome backs" and thanks to NWC, Jeff and Sadavid for your responses. Great footnote Sadavid! Very Carlinesque ! Loved how you also seamlessly worked in my favourite word in the entire known universe ! (callyp....)! Bill, we got all excited on our trip across Canada when we saw our very first "Whispering Pines Motel"(cottages, cabins, whatever) but after the twentieth spotting, BB King and I can both assure you that indeed "the thrill is gone". "Whispering Pines" however, is not nearly as ubiquitous as say "Loon Lake"in Ontario, but it nonetheless must be considered as being reasonably omnipresent in its own right. Jeff, interesting posts this am. I'm now retired so find myself, as the expression should go, "busier than a dingo in a maternity ward", but I will try to pop into the aforementioned "non-place" occasionally in order to personally harass you.(Stevon Farm being gone, and Munson being off-limits as we went to high school together and he'd no doubt just rat me out for all my unreturned library books and English novels). NB


Entered at Fri Aug 26 17:18:28 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno
Web: My link

Subject: Nobby Clegg, "My Old Man"

Kevin J: You seem likely to be the only other person here who'd remember this song from the glory days of CFNY ... Also, goin' to the funeral tomorrow?


Entered at Fri Aug 26 17:07:35 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

JT: Now that's an interesting factoid, Levon and the Hawks being given time in the middle of their Dylan duties to perform their local hit. Do you recall if Bob was onstage - playing rhythm, presumably?

Adam: People do things that I don't see the point of all the time. Better get used to it.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 17:00:35 CEST 2011 from (90.239.68.155)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: PutEmUp(Friend0 Subject: Empty/Facebook Band Page

Thanks boys. You are on your way to qualifie as Honour Citizens of Republic of Finland (Suomi). A Finn asks when no-one answers and answers when no-one asks.

Thanks for ukulele links everyone.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 16:54:23 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, if you look at A Musical History, and at The Last Waltz remasters, it’s pretty clear that Robbie controls both the name and the legacy. Copyright lines on the 1990s Band were “This Band” in small print, not “The Band” so I’d guess it’s been that way for twenty or thirty years. Nothing new.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 16:16:26 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Yonge Street - Toronto Rock & Roll Stories

Adam: see dedicated website for the documentary @ [My link] (if you can see it where you are!)
The site, like the doc itself, seems like a real labour of love; I'd be surprised if it is _not_ released on DVD after all this investment of effort and cash.

Note the cool interactive map w/ evocative period photos of "bars, dives, dancehalls" etc. The photo gallery is also particularly good - with 2 or 3 shots of various Hawkins combos I don't remember seeing before. . . .


Entered at Fri Aug 26 12:34:01 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Crocodile tears - Try not to laugh - I defy anyone

A Drover walks into a bar with a pet crocodile by his side.

He puts the crocodile up on the bar. He turns to the astonished patrons.

'I'll make you a deal. I'll open this crocodile's mouth and place my manhood inside.'

'Then the croc will close his Mouth for one minute.'

'Then he'll open his mouth And I'll remove my unit unscathed. In return for witnessing this amazing spectacle, each of you will buy me a drink.'

The crowd murmured their approval. The man stood up on the bar, dropped his trousers and duly placed his Johnson and related parts in the crocodile's open mouth.

The croc closed his mouth

The crowd gasped.

After a minute had passed the man grabbed a beer bottle and smacked the crocodile a hard blow on the top of its head.

As if to order, the croc opened its huge mouth and the man removed his genitals unscathed as promised.

The crowd cheered and the first of his free drinks were delivered.

Swiftly downing his drink, the man stood up again and made another offer.

'I'll pay anyone $100 who's willing to give it a try.'

A hush fell over the crowd, all eyes trying desperately to avoid the man's gaze. Then after a while, a hand went up in the back of the bar.

A Blonde woman timidly Spoke up.......... 'I'll try it............ Just don't hit me so hard with the beer bottle!'


Entered at Fri Aug 26 09:17:12 CEST 2011 from (75.34.51.41)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Yonge Street documentary

I also question the point of investing the resources to make a documentary like the Yonge Street one, but only allowing people from the native country to see it. What's the point then? I would really really love to see it, and I hope a DVD release is planned. But for some reason I doubt it.

Still waiting for Levon's "Ain't In It For My Health" documentary to get a DVD release. I guess it's usually the funding/distribution that prevents these things from DVD release for so long, but it's so frustrating.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 03:56:08 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Empty/Facebook Band Page

Empty, chances are Mike would address this himself, and he may have already typed something. The Band Facebook page was created by Sebastian , Robbie's son. He had been posting on FB as The Band, and as to be expected, had often gotten in dialogue with a variety of people in a very biased way. So, you had a RR offspring, representing The Band, and taking RR's position in the name of The Band. I called Sebastian on it repeatedly,and he ignored me for a long time, Finally he gave the job to one of his employees, who finally fessed up that Sebastian owned the page. Of course, Sebastian soon barred me from commenting on the page. The big issue is, when someone creates a Musician/ Artist Page on FB, FB requires that person to check a box that states he or she has the legal right to represent that artist.The page is a Musician /Arist page. I doubt that Sebastin has the legal right to rperesent 4/5 ths of The Band. Anyway, the fellow who was doing the job has been replaced by GB poster Mike Hayward, of Mike & Kim, and The Plochmann Lane blog. Sebastian owns the page, Mike does the posting for Sebastian.... if you visit the website & FB pages of Royal Digital Media, ypu will find that this is a Robertson owned company, that claims only two clients, RR & The Band. It claims to have created the FB page for The Band. Anything is always possible. but, I can't, & I would guess most people familiar with the history couldn't, imagine Levon, Garth, or the estates of Rick & Richard giving Sebastian or RR the right to do that. I guess it;s good that The Band has FB presence, long as it is done from a totally neutral position. Maybe Mike can stay neutral. His predecessors certainly couldn't.

I do understand how you feel about seeing that name, followed by FB, posting here, neutral or not. It ain't natural.


Entered at Fri Aug 26 02:01:37 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Berry Pickin

Regarding wigo's link, i didn't watch the vid cause I;m presently on wandering wifi and there are 5 seconds of buffering for every second of video. but, regarding Chuck Berry... I;m back in St Louis. Long story, but it seems I have had organic relationships to Chuck's piano players forever. Bob, his pianist for quite some time now,I;ve known Bob since 1982. When I was trainig him to sell kitchens, bathrooms, siding,& windows. He was below average at it, told me he was really a musician. I said to myself, yeah right. Anyway, Chuck;s monthly gig at Blueberry Hill was last week. I thought about going, but, for lots of reasons, including the odds being against a good gig, didn;t. Bob reported that it was stellar. Apparently, from the info presented i surmised someone tuned and charged Chuck's guitar without his blessing, and also the city just unveiled a large statue of Chuck. According to Bob, who is an excellent musician , Chuck nAiled the entire show. Rare, almost unheard of in decades. I may actually go next month.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 23:31:47 CEST 2011 from (41.97.199.148)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Al Edge / THE BAND (facebook) / The Band tour 1965

Brave Al Edge: cheers

THE BAND (facebook) : while I found your tips and links worthy and in the context at their time, it is merely disturbing to me the perspective that a facebook is sharing the posting forum among we [“we” specially target the regulars] whose human side and morals fitting have self-maintained their equilibrium point since a long time ago

If you’re a person, I have no idea the person who is , maybe an important person in The Band family, I judge that whoever reserves the name The Band in all upper among we “their finest fans“ is a bit misplaced

So Mister (facebook) [or Miss THE BAND (facebook)] trust my GB expertise, doing the effort to be slightly human being can only make your participation more enjoyable

In the link above, rare documentary about The Band tour with Dylan 1965/1966 French naration with English interviews

1:39- 1:46

“ I liked the idea that he had no idea of what he had in mind, only that he wanted to just mix it up and try “

Easy to identify the author of such a quote, this guy doesn’t fear the rhetoric overflow

Conclusion: I completely missed my chance to access the expert knowledge of the human person from the day I started to exaggerate the evil part in the soul of every person

notice that to exaggerate the good part leads eventually to the same nature of mistakes on the pure ontological point of view


Entered at Thu Aug 25 22:52:12 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: I Shall Be Released

Thanks for the Robbie / Elvis link. It made my day. I'd heard it before, but it makes you wonder why Robbie did so few live performances. A stellar version.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 22:26:36 CEST 2011 from (96.54.171.63)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: The Stones That I Throw

John D and others: I was there on 15 November and recall Levon and The Hawks playing "The Stones That I Throw" at that concert. I was aware of it by then.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 21:43:39 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Robbie w/ Elvis on "I Shall Be Released."


Entered at Thu Aug 25 21:36:11 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Happy b'day, Elvis Costello! Here he is w/ Levon, Ray, Nick Lowe & Allen Toussaint.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 21:32:37 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Al E: "Night Moves" was/is brilliant, but I wish Bob'd chosen not to continue mining the lode labelled 'juvenile passion'. Certainly the song's much more sensitive than, say, Bruce's post-juvenile song-about-a-date, "Atlantic City".


Entered at Thu Aug 25 21:24:52 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Banging the Drum

Now I realise why nobody ever needs to bangs them on behalf of Stevie Wonder...

!!!!!

:-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 25 21:22:58 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


Entered at Thu Aug 25 21:16:44 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Mike? Def? Def? Though this is a non place, hip hop lingo is certainly out of place here.I mean, if we made it through all those recent RR interviews without RR using "def", that should have removed all threat of the hip hop slang term entering the band GB realm. And the sounds *Garth def* should never succeed or preceed one the other.

Kevin, if you didn't laugh, go to Mongolia already.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 21:12:03 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Poor man's Brucie - my arse/ass [delete as appropriate]

Nobody loves Bruce more than me. Okay well perhaps Patti, jesse, Evan and Sam. But tagging the great Bob Seger with such a demeaning term says more about whoever coined it than it does about the amazing Bob.

Moving off on a tangent on this, if there's another artist who has captured the unforgettable excitement and passion of that whole area of teenage passionate relationships [and I guess its older form for that matter :-0)] more evocatively than Bob has done in some of his fabulous cuts such as Night Moves, Fire lake and Shinin' Brightly then I haven't heard it. In such areas, Bruce's efforts [fine as they migt be - and i've heard them all] - sound clumsy and uninspired by comparison to Bob's living, breathing almost tangible testimonies and celebrations of such episodes.

I've never understood the need some critics have to demean proven artists in such derogatory snipes. Sure if Bob had never developed from merely regurgitating his early rock origins but he's matured so much as an artist over the years with a huge quality catalogue.

And, in any case, Bruce and Bob's musical and artistic territories are virtually exclusive to me and in my opinion scarcely cross.

Bollocks. pure bollocks.

and breath.... :-0)


Entered at Thu Aug 25 20:50:01 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: Two things.

One, going the other way, the same border also prevents those outside Canada from viewing all that priceless footage of the young Robbie and the young Levon and our guys with Hawkins that was included in the Yonge Street story.

Two, I can't help but think that one of the reasons why Levon huffed out the door in late '65 was that he didn't agree with the prevailing view that continuing as Dylan's roundly booed backup band was a smarter career move than touring to push their own record - which was getting charted in some places.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 20:15:40 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: truth or dare

Re: question tags - What about 'innit'?

'Come on, Keith,' said Guy with a pale laugh. 'She's just been to a funeral.'
Keith looked him up and down. 'Life goes on innit.'

Seems the same as "eh" except that instead of inviting the hearer to agree, it dares the hearer to disagree. Maybe because I associate it with Arfur Daley and his Guy Ritchiean successors . . . .


Entered at Thu Aug 25 20:10:21 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

JOHN D. - That's a bummer you couldn't hear the interview. Garth sounded great. I caught the last bit of it. He told a cool old story about Robbie & the guys driving in Texarkana (?) & getting into an accident on someone's front yard. Garth def has a good sense of humor.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 19:47:29 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Stones That I Throw Research

I guess I should done more research; before posting. I see it was released in September of 1965. Always thought it had come and gone; by the time they were touring with Dylan.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 19:41:42 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Levon & Hawks CHUM Chart Dec. 1965

Someone help me with my memory here. Bill M sent Jan a CHUM Chart from December 13th of 1965; with "The Stones That I Throw" on it. On November 14th, one month earlier, I saw the Hawks back Dylan at Massey Hall. So was the single out as they were in the midst of that tour.?


Entered at Thu Aug 25 19:40:21 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Like A Rock

"At times sounding like a poor man's Springsteen, Bob Seger continues to mine the fields he'd plowed so well over previous efforts. There's the send-up of the U.S.A. in 'American Storm', and the hard-rockin' 'Sometimes', and the heartbreakingly beautiful 'Somewhere Tonight'. Oh yes, and the song used in those incessant commercials for American pickup trucks, 'Like A Rock'. A mature effort from a great American talent."
--James Chrispell in All Music Guide review of Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band's 1986 album "Like A Rock".


Entered at Thu Aug 25 19:32:50 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Location: That foreign country to the north

Thanks Mike H for the Garth link; but living in Canada it does not allow us to listen to it. Been getting used to this the past few years. Mustn't let anyone hear those signals traveling through air. Giant invisible fence at the border. I do know the legal reasons why; but it still pisses me off.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 18:38:59 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thinking about Bob Seger and that "poor man's Bruce Springsteen" tag. Dylan was right chronologically in switching it round to Bruce being the "rich man's Seger." But the tag is very widespread. If you say "Bob Seger" it automatically pops into my head. I wondered who started it. Dave Marsh in the first Rolling Stone Record Guide doesn't use it, and is fulsome in his praise for Seger, including "pre-Springsteen" stuff. Nor does Christgau, that master of the short bitchy quip. So who did start it?


Entered at Thu Aug 25 18:34:14 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Eh?

eh? is a very useful replacement for the question tag. A question tag is a rhetorical or checking device, as in "It's a nice day, isn't it?' Basically,.you're assuming the listener will agree with you. The trouble with question tags is multiple grammatical agreement … "It isn't a nice day, is it?' / It wasn't a nice day, was it? / It hasn't been a good week, has it? / It's been quite a good month, hasn't it? / You will do it, won't you? / I can't see it, can I? / You're getting tired of these examples, aren't you?

In Wales, they replace them all with "isn't it?" which seems profoundly sensible, using just the one tag, as in French. n'est ce pas?. I knew two older South Africans who did the same with 'isn't it?', though I can't extrapolate as to whether all South Africans do it.

eh? is even easier.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 17:47:51 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Greater Prairie Chicken (Callipygius Cupido)

NB: I'd say the place is sufficiently elevated already (see [My link], but N.B. the footnote).

Dee: "Eh" is what the grammaticists call a "weak interrogative" or a "quasi-rhetorical." It's often spoken with a (barely) rising pitch, i.e. not as much as for a real question. Communications theory recognizes the "eh?" as a social device, a mark of _politesse_ which signifies to the hearer an invitation to either keep pretending to agree, or, if absolutely necessary, to offer their own viewpoint:

"Jeez, it's flat, eh?"
"Jeez, yeah, but some parts are a little lower, eh?"


Entered at Thu Aug 25 17:49:33 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Garth on live now from a Seattle radio station.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 17:46:07 CEST 2011 from (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Nutjob, of course that previous post was meant to read "had you", not "you had". As far as The GB disturbing anyone, you, a professional instructor of Canadian youth should know, The Gb cannot disturb anyone. A post by a poster can be disturbing to someone who reads it. From what i understand, clarity in humor is valued utmost & foremost in Mongolia.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 17:27:00 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Canadian, Eh to Zed

Dee: With 'eh', grammar doesn't matter - as long as you say it a fair bit. End of every sentence, particularly those that form part of a long story, would be viewed favourably by the new owners. Along the lines of, "So, I'm driving down the road, eh. And this jackass pulls out of a driveway, eh. So I gives him the horn, eh. ..."


Entered at Thu Aug 25 17:08:40 CEST 2011 from (99.71.240.14)

Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Like Joan, I'm still here. Enjoyed the lists but as I mentioned in an earlier post, impossible for me to choose. Songs get into my mind for a while then a new "oldie" gets some notice. As an example, some Canadians bought the local bank...so all together now, It' a small world after all.... Then a couple weeks back, Norm did a Sue city Sue and it sent me to...

Sioux City Sue, Sioux City Sue

You hair is red, your eyes are blue

I'd swap my horse and dog for you

Sioux City Sue, Sioux City Sioux

There ain't no gal as true

As my sweet Sioux City Sue.

With kin folk from Sioux City and north of there (Akron) I've heard that song all my life.

Back to bank...do the employees have to learn to say "eh" and if so, what is the grammatical usage rule?


Entered at Thu Aug 25 17:06:45 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Nutjob, you had been lucky enough to encounter, or even dream about the woman that the location Phasant Rump was named for, you would not describe the place so fouly.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 17:05:45 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Just caught up w/ prof photog & mgr Thom Wolke who snapped the '85 B & W pic of THE BAND (w/ Jimmy Weider). Funny story as to why the guys are laughing in the pic.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 17:03:24 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

NB: Oh, you said "PHeasant Rump"! I thought you'd said "PLeasant Rump", which exists without any doubt at all. Good to have you back in any case. I spose you didn't pass a "Whispering Pines" trailerpark in your travels? There's one near Owen Sound, but there must be others.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 16:57:06 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Merv & Herb

For me, the best thing about the Merv Griffin Show was that the house band featured the late-great jazz guitarist Herb Ellis.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 16:46:34 CEST 2011 from (70.78.225.207)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: just beyond Hope, B.C.

Subject: Now Boys

Jeff, you have a sense of humour and a reasonably thick skin and yet doesn't the GB disturb you from time to time ? Kevin must have a sense of humour and value humour or he wouldn't have just been lamenting how nowadays humour is discouraged in the GB. (Who's been doing this ? Give me names! I'll put them on a strict water and banana diet and before I'm done with them I promise you, they won't know if they're inmates or primates !) Lastly, I highly doubt that by me merely hooking up with say you Jeff or Kevin in Pheasant Rump, Sascratchewan, that this would elevate that location sufficiently to actually confer "place"status upon it. And saying otherwise merely indicates you've never been there.NB


Entered at Thu Aug 25 16:37:20 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: gold lame suits?

sadavid: With material like that, all you need is Ed McMahon beside you to tell people when to laugh. If he had taken over "The Tonight Show", Bob could come up with Ten Good Things About "The Merv Griffin Show" all by himself.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 16:21:08 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: stand up guy

joe j: you might enjoy these; the wit of a generation.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 12:37:30 CEST 2011 from (75.34.51.41)

Posted by:

Adam

I've been away for awhile, so sorry for not responding. I honestly could not compile a top 10. I just tried, and before long I gave up. There are just too many. I think The Weight would have to be number 1. King Harvest is the song I would classify as "The Band's greatest accomplishment", but The Weight is more universal and accessible. King Harvest must be number 2, as crazy as that sounds. Other than that, I truly can't rank them. We Can Talk, This Wheel's On Fire, I Shall Be Released, When You Awake, Up On Cripple Creek, Whispering Pines, Rockin' Chair, Unfaithful Servant, Sleeping, All La Glory, The W.S. Walcott Medicine Show, The Rumor, Ophelia, It Makes No Difference, Acadian Driftwood. I think the most heartfelt statement I can make about The Band's music is that I can not POSSIBLY name a Top 10. I've tried, and I just can't do it. Oh, and Don't Do it.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 05:27:18 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Kevin,having a sense of humor and a thick skin could help matters... BTW, "this place" is not a place. It's a bunch of dots in internet hell. When people who post here actaully meet, they are in a place.


Entered at Thu Aug 25 03:34:50 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jeff……….I quite like Mongolia……everyone needs an escape plan……..It’s this place that disturbs me from time to time……


Entered at Thu Aug 25 02:19:01 CEST 2011 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan Radio

“Some people call Bob [Seger] the poor man’s Bruce Springsteen, but personally, I always thought Bruce was the rich man’s Bob Seger. Love ‘em both, though.”

Above attributed to Dylan on his radio show. Lots more (see link). Did you know George Jones was his most frequently played?


Entered at Thu Aug 25 00:34:50 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: When I'm Cleaning Windows

In Jools Holland's autobiography, he describes George Harrison making Bob Dylan watch his collection of videos of George Formby playing ukelele. Bob made his excuses and left.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 23:42:54 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Be careful what you write, Kevin. My father's father's mother was Mongolian. In certain circles, I'm known as Ghengis Moe. In other circles, they call me Yankel Khan.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 22:38:37 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks Al

Thanks for all the work, Al. I really enjoyed and looked forward to each individual's and the group's selections. A big effort. But I can feel the bounce in your step after Saturday's result.

Thanks for Ukelele posts. Some great playing. I was lucky to see Paul play the tribute to George last summer.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 19:54:43 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ukleles

Thanks for elevating ukelele to a higher form of music. That guy Jake is amazing.

Al, thank you for your prodigious work on those lists. It interesting to see everyone favorites and in what order.

Just for the record, I may not comment often, but I'm female and still here. :-)


Entered at Wed Aug 24 19:29:08 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Subject: "I Shall Be Released" by Big Mama Thornton

Cool cover of "I Shall Be Released", a year after the Big Pink version. You may notice a few subtle differences along the way. ;)


Entered at Wed Aug 24 18:47:21 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Master Ukulele - Dig This!!!!


Entered at Wed Aug 24 18:40:36 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: in the hands of the master


Entered at Wed Aug 24 18:17:16 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Paul's tribute to George on Ukulele


Entered at Wed Aug 24 18:00:39 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: George Loved Ukulele's

Martin Scorcese's new documentary on my favorite Beatle coming soon to HBO......picked up from the Band's facebook page - see above link.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 17:51:50 CEST 2011 from (90.239.108.69)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Oh Lord, have mercy... Are we going to lose our Guinness UKULELE World Record so soon?

In North Bethesda in Maryland (USA) they are bound to make a new Guinness World Record the following weekend according to an 81-years old female Finnish immigrant Mrs. Hiltunen who is one of the dedicated ukulele players in town.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 17:29:17 CEST 2011 from (90.239.117.115)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Saskatchewan is still there. NB

NB: Thanks. - I don't visit the US anymore, NEVER, but when I did it I was always awake on the BA plane and watched the green-brown scenery in Saskatchewan. It was like in Northern Finland.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 17:25:41 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Dlew: Jack Layton was a man of humour and conviction and while that, in part, set him above most of his fellow politicians…….the record should indicate he was also known as “Naked Jack” for having once or twice been caught with his pants down at one of Toronto’s infamous massage palaces……..He claimed a bad back and it didn’t affect him at all in the polls……..just another little quirk of Canadian tolerance that I find charming.

Welcome back NB……….the new GB is without your old foil Steve, the women have fled en masse, we have gone from too little discussion of music to an almost suffocating level of music discussion and Band minutia…….. politics is out…..and humour of any kind is discouraged………….and if Al Edge ever leaves………Mongolia is the next stop.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 17:18:12 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Subject: Re: Peter V / The Lists

PV: "This reflects on something I’ve said for years – that We Can Talk is severely under-anthologised, as is Rockin’ Chair."

I guess in fairness, the challenge for anyone compiling a 1-CD OQ anthology is figuring out which songs from the first two albums can be left off! Big Pink and Brown are overcrowded with gems, and from the perspective of giving the listener a sampling of the OQ's whole career, you don't want to give the impression that nothing after the first two albums is worth buying. Link is to the Greatest Hits track list that came out with the remasters in 2000, which I think does a decent job. The diehards like us might want Rockin' Chair in there from the Brown album, but for the casual listener who half-remembers a few Band songs from the radio or wherever, Dixie, Cripple Creek and Rag Mama Rag had all damn well better be on there or this CD is not getting bought.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 16:35:44 CEST 2011 from (70.78.225.207)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: just beyond Hope, B.C.

Subject: Not Completely Gone, Just Forgotten

Just drove across most of Canada and back. Saw only one thing even remotely Band-related, a winery in BC's Okanagan Valley by the name of "Forbidden Fruit Winery", hopefully run by Band fans. Clearly the most curious non-Band related thing we came across in our trek was that for some reason the town of Pheasant Rump, Saskatchewan is still there. NB


Entered at Wed Aug 24 16:34:45 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

New Jimmy Vivino "facebook" pg.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 16:17:37 CEST 2011 from (90.239.117.115)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: NordicCountries

Subject: Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain

Thanks Dunc. The former Guinness Record was PeterV'ish in London. - We were nearly 1.500 players playing simultaniously the same tune. A 'peace' of cake for you Scottish maniacs to brake, I'm afraid :-)


Entered at Wed Aug 24 15:49:48 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Al, I was rooting for King Harvest too, but you're right. Corn in the field … … hasn't got they same iconic stamp as I pulled into Nazareth.

Overall, it's a good score for the Manuelistas, but note a big gap from #8 then a gap after #12, then it falls consistently. I think the Top 12 is pretty strongly holding its position.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 14:40:13 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Wonderful job, Al! By no means an easy task.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 13:35:22 CEST 2011 from (62.30.51.155)

Posted by:

Rog

Location: UK

Subject: List-en to the Band

Thanks Al - great work..


Entered at Wed Aug 24 13:12:47 CEST 2011 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: list

I just checked and eight of my selections were in the first ten of 'the list'. Do I get a prize or what?. Seriously the first 24 (Weight through I Shall Be Released) would make the perfect anthology and the current running order's not too bad. I'd tweak it to break up a run of Levon vocals but that's all.

Dlew: I'm confident that Canadian politicians are every bit as bent, corrupt, treacherous and venal as Australias. Jack Layton, late leader of Canada's NDP (left wing) just may have been an exception.

Anyway it's a beautiful summers morning down here on the islands and you haven't been able to say that often this year. The missus suggested I take a day off and drive out to Cape Freels, maybe picnic at Windmill Bight Sands. Sign will read 'CLOSED" all day.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 10:57:15 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Apologies for my increasing number of typos. I can't get on with Apple's new keyboard. I think I'll revert to my old one. On which, if you have a Mac and haven't upgraded to Lion, DON'T. They're as usual testing the bugger on buyers. Wait till Christmas when they might have most of it working properly. It might not be so bad on an existing Mac, but the near invisible scroll bars mean you have to have a new 'magic mouse' and I got it with a new iMac, and the Migration Assistant is total crap. They've had to update it already.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 10:40:58 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: BAND'S FINEST - Jan's Archive

I agree Pete it would be a fine idea - and thanks for acknowledgement - but purely as a joint effort by everyone on here. I've just been the conduit gathering all the votes.

I have felt for some time - and your summing up of the various collections tells us why - that there's no better judge of the Band's best songbook than folks who value them above most anybody else. I also believe there's another website - Book Faded Brown I think - and it would be nice if someone on there did something similar to what we've done on here to compare results.

I'd total it for them if they wanted.

That's the reason I kept on at the likes of DP and Jeff and Jan himself and Adam and PSB as I wanted it to be the most reflective snapshot possible.

Also, if I'm being totally honest, as much as nostalgically The Weight holds such a dear place in my heart, I kept holding the final results back as I also wanted King Harvest to reach the number one spot as on a personal level I rate it so highly.

In the end it nearly pulled it off. But not quite. and when all's said and done, maybe justice was done - beacause 'I pulled into nazareth...I was feeling 'bout half past dead' are possibly the lines most vividly etched into our collective 'Band' consciousness.

Belated thanks to everyone for the contributions. I've also got all the top 30 faves - including your second revisions Bill M :-0) - but it'll be some time before I figure out how to assimilate so many differing selections to arrive at a cohesive list!!!!!

One final point on the individual contributions as compared to the overall list. When you get to know the individual posters from their various posts you can sort of see patterns in their voting and how they prefer certain songs. All good stuff.

:-0)


Entered at Wed Aug 24 09:57:04 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

BTW, Jan, I reckon it's worth keeping Al's last post with the full results in the archive.

On archives, I'm too late for my friend's jazz collection, but you have me thinking about my own collection. The problem with archives in the UK is they need money too so as to process stuff.

Record collecting has a poignancy about it. You often see lovingly-assembled sets in a genre or by an artist. A few weeks ago, I saw a dozen pre-1955 Capitol singles … Stan Kenton sort of thing. All were pre-1955, and I've need seen records that old that looked so new. Every sleeve looked as if it had just come out of the shop, and so did every disc. I bought a couple to scan for the stuff I'm working on.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 09:49:41 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Lists

The Lists.

This reflects on something I’ve said for years – that We Can Talk is severely under-anthologised, as is Rockin’ Chair. Take the “Top 15” as most compilations have 15 or 16 tracks.

Barney Hoskyns did “The shape I’m In” for EMI in 1998. It misses We Can Talk (5), Rockin’ Chair (6), Whispering Pines (8=), Unfaithful Serrvant (8=), When You Awake (10), All La Glory (13) and The Rumor (14).

The “Greatest Hits” from EMI in 2000 misses the same seven. This was the one issued with the 24 bit remasters.

Anthology from 1978 has twenty tracks, and misses the same seven.

The “Best of The Band” from 1976 when they were still going, is a ten tracker and misses all of those as well as Acadian Driftwood (It has Ophelia and It Makes No Difference from the then recent NLSC).

To Kingdom Come is a 31 tracker from 1989 and misses six of the seven. It has Unfaithful Servant.

Across the Great Divide is a 56 tracker on 3 CDs from 1994. With 56, no excuses? Well, it still misses We Can Talk (5), When You Awake (10) and The Rumor (14)

Let’s ignore the low-budget Disky collections.

A Musical History gets them all, though not all in the studio album versions. Two alternates and a live replace the studio takes.

Time for Capitol to put out a new compilation, credited to Mr Al Edge, I think!


Entered at Wed Aug 24 09:18:37 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: THE BAND'S FINEST SONGS - as voted by their finest fans :-0)

REPEAT OF LIST PLUS INDIVIDUAL SELECTIONS

FINAL POSITIONS
1] The Weight - 175 points
2] King Harvest - 174 points
3] It Makes no Difference - 143 points
4] The Night they drove old Dixie down - 131 points
5] We Can Talk - 101 points
6] Rockin Chair - 99 points
7] Acadian Driftwood - 93 points
= 8] Whispering Pines - 68 points
= 8] Unfaithful Servant - 68 points
= 9] Tears of Rage - 50 points
= 9] Up on Cripple Creek - 50 points
10] When You Awake - 47 points
11] Rag Mama Rag - 44 points
12] Ophelia - 42 points
13] All La Glory - 32 points
14] The Rumor - 29 points
15] Shape I'm in - 28 points
16] Chest Fever - 27 points
17] Across the Great Divide - 24 points
=18] Caledonia Mission - 23 points
=18] Stagefright - 23 points
=19] Sleeping - 21 points
=19] When I Paint My Masterpiece - 21 points
20] I Shall Be Released - 20 points
=21] Twilight - 19 points
=21] Daniel and the Sacred Harp - 19 points
=22] Life is a Carnival - 16 points
=22] Long Black Veil - 16 points
=23] Look Out Cleveland - 14 points
=23] Ain't No More Cane - 14 points
24] Lonesome Suzie - 13 points
=25] To Kingdom Come - 11 points
=25] WS Walcott - 11 points
26] Katie’s Been Gone - 10 points
=27] The Saga of Pepote Rouge - 9 points
=27] Out Of The Blue - 9 points
=28] Mystery Train - 8 points
=28] This Wheels on Fire -8 points
29] The Stones I Throw - 7 points
30] Jawbone - 6 points
=31] Time To Kill - 4 points
=31] 4% Pantomime - 4 points
=31] Ruben Remus - 4 points
=32] Yazoo Street Scandal - 3 points
=32] Get up Jake - 3 points
=32] Jupiter Hollow - 3 points
=33] Where Do We Go from Here - 2 points
=33] Jemima Surrender - 2 points
=34] Livin’ In a Dream - 1 point
=34] The Well - 1 point
=34] Christmas Must be Tonight - 1 point
=34] Bessie Smith - 1 point

JOHN D
1. It Makes No Difference
2. Whispering Pines
3. Tears of Rage
4. Long Black Veil
5. King Harvest
6. When I Paint My Masterpiece
7. Rag Mama Rag
8. Acadian Driftwood
9. Jemima Surrender
10. Across The Great Divide.

JERRY TENEBAUM
1. Tears of Rage
2. Long Black Veil
3. I Shall Be Released
4. The Weight
5. It Makes No Difference
6. King Harvest
7. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
8. Whispering Pines
9. Chest Fever
10. Rag Mama Rag

DLEW919
1) the weight
2) king harvest
3) up on cripple creek
4) shape I'm in
5) jawbone
6) rockin' chair
7) rag mama rag
9) life is a carnival
10) get up Jake

JERRY
To Kingdom Come...
Lonesome Suzie...
This Wheels on Fire...
When You Awake...
King Harvest (Has Surley Come)...
Whispering Pines...
The Weight...
WS Walcott Medicine Show...
It Makes No Difference...
Up On Cripple Creek...

JED
Twilight,
whispering pines,
it makes no difference,
Tntdodd,
king harvest,
Ophelia,
unfaithful servant,
the weight,
rag mama rag,
WS Walcott,
stagefright

BROWN EYED GIRL
The Weight
Out Of The Blue
It Makes No Difference
Whispering Pines
Alla Glory
Acadian Driftwood
4% Pantomime
The Shape I’m In
Stage Fright
King Harvest (Has Surely Come)

JOHN LYNESS
The Weight
We Can Talk
It Makes No Difference
Rockin’ Chair
Acadian Driftwood
King Harvest
Unfaithful Servant
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Ophelia
Stage Fright

GLENN T
king harvest
unfaithful servant
we can talk
all la glory
stage fright
rocking chair
when you awake
it makes no difference
the weight
the rumor

SIMON
1) Unfaithful Servant
2) King Harvest
3) We Can Talk
4) The Rumor
5) All La Glory
6) Caledonia Mission
7) Tears of Rage
8) Rockin' Chair
9) The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
10) Sleeping

DUNC
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.
Whispering Pines.
Rocking Chair.
The Weight.
Acadian Driftwood.
Sleeping
Across the Great Divide.
It Makes No Difference.
When You Awake.
Up on Cripple Creek

PAT B
1. Dixie
2. Look Out Cleveland
3. Unfaithful Servant
4. We Can Talk
5. Acadian Driftwood
6. I Shall Be Released
7. The Rumor
8. Caledonia Mission
9. The Weight
10. Rockin' Chair
Bonus: The Covers
1. Share Your Love
2. Don't Do It
3. Georgia

BOB W
1) Acadian Driftwood
2) The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
3) King Harvest (Has Surely Come)
4) It Makes No Difference
5) The Weight
6) Unfaithful Servant
7) Rockin’ Chair
8) Up On Cripple Creek
9) Sleeping
10) Livin’ In a Dream

BRIEN SZ
1. It Makes No Difference
2. King Harvest
3. Rockin Chair
5. Acadian Drifwood
6. The Weight
7. Stage Fright
8. The Rumor
9. Unfaithful Servant
10. Up on Cripple Creek
An addendum - Since the list looked to only songs written by the Band, I only included those. However - If I could replace 3 songs that were performed but not written I would have included Don't Do It, Atlantic City and Book Faded Brown.

JOE J
1. Tears of Rage
2. Caledonia Mission
3. The Weight
4. We Can Talk
5. Across the Great Divide
6. Whispering Pines
7. Unfaithful Servant
8. King Harvest
9. It Makes No Difference
10. Dixie

ROB THE ORGAN
1. We Can Talk
2. Across the Great Divide
3. Tears of Rage
4. King Harvest
5. Sleeping
6. Look Out Cleveland
7. Time To Kill
8. All La Glory
9. Up On Cripple Creek
10. Life Is A Carnival

PETER V
1) King Harvest
2) The Weight
3) The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
4) We Can Talk
5) Daniel & The Sacred Harp
6) It Makes No Difference
7) Up On Cripple Creek
8) Jupiter Hollow
9) The Shape I’m In
10) Rockin’ Chair

FRED
The Weight
We Can Talk
When I Paint My Masterpiece
Sleeping
Life Is A Carnival
King Harvest
Across The Great Divide
When You Awake
The Rumor
The Weight (with the Staples)

KEVIN J
1. TNTDODD,
2. The Weight,
3. It Makes No Difference,
4. Twilight,
5. Ophelia,
6. Up On Cripple Creek,
7. Rockn Chair,
8. The Shape I’m In,
9. Acadian Driftwood,
10. Christmas Must be Tonight

AL EDGE
1] King Harvest
2] We Can Talk
3] The Night they drove old Dixie down
4] It Makes no Difference
5] Unfaithful Servant
6] The Weight
7] Whispering Pines
8] Rag Mama Rag
9] Caledonia Mission
10] Rockin Chair

LANDMARK
1) The Rumour
2) Chest Fever
3) Rag Mama Rag
4) Stage Fright
5) When I Paint My Masterpiece
6) Mystery Train
7) We Can Talk
8) Cripple Creek
9) King Harvest
10) Whispering Pines.

LARS
1. Acadian Driftwood
2. The Weight
3. TNTDODD (TLW)
4. Ain't No More Cane
5. King Harvest
6. Unfaithful Servant
7. Rockin' Chair
8. Mystery Train (TLW)
9. Stage Fright (TLW)
10. The Well (TLW)

EMPTY NOW
1.TNTDODD,
2.Arc Drift,
3. It Makes No Diff,
4.The Weight,
5.I Shall Be Released,
6.Rockin Chair,
7.Whisp Pines,
8.Cripple Creek,
9.King Harvest,
10 Across Great Divide

BILL M
"King Harvest",
"The Weight",
"The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down",
"The Shape I’m In",
"Rockin’ Chair",
"The Stones I Throw",
"Whispering Pines",
" Lonesome Suzie",
"When You Awake",
"Where Do We Go From Here".
"I Shall Be released".

TODD
1 - Tears Of Rage
2 - The Weight
3 - The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
4 - Rockin’ Chair
5 - Daniel And The Sacred Harp
6 - Katie’s Been Gone
7 - Caledonia Mission
8 - The W. S. Walcott Medicine Show
9 - Get Up Jake
10 - Ophelia

MICHELLE
King Harvest
It Makes No Difference
Acadian Driftwood
The Weight
Pepe Rouge
Cripple Creek
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Chest Fever
The Rumor
The Stones I Throw

JOAN
1. It Makes No Difference
2. Acadian Driftwood
2. Rag Mama Rag
3. Ophhelia
4. We Can Talk
5. King Harvest
6. Rocking Chair
7. When You Awake
8. Dixie
9. Twilight
10. Bessie Smith

SADAVID
Unfaithful Servant
King Harvest
When You Awake
We Can Talk
Rag Mama Rag
Chest Fever
Ruben Remus
Yazoo Street Scandal
Acadian Driftwood
Whispering Pines

JQ
Dixie - The Band
Rockin' Chair - The Band
The Weight - The Band
When You Awake - The Band

SM
Makes No Difference
The Weight
Cripple Creek
Ophelia
The Shape I'm In
Life Is A Carnival
Rag Mama Rag
W.S. Walcott Medicine Show
King Harvest
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

WESTIE
Ophelia –
Rockin' Chair –
The Weight –
Makes No Difference –
Up On Cripple Creek –
Acadian Driftwood –
King Harvest –
The Saga of Pepote Rouge –
Life is a Carnival –
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

MIKE C
1-King Harvest
2-We Can Talk
3-Chest Fever
4-Ain't No More Cane
5-It Makes No Difference
6-Katie's Been Gone
7-Rag Mama Rag
8-Ophelia
9-Whispering Pines
10-To Kingdom Come

ROGER
1. All La Glory
2. When I Awake
3. Rockin' Chair
4. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
5. Arcadian Driftwood
6. It Makes No Difference
7. King Harvest
8. Whispering Pines
9. When I Paint My Masterpiece
10. The Weight


Entered at Wed Aug 24 09:08:38 CEST 2011 from (208.120.212.175)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: THE BAND'S FINEST SONGS

Neat to see that We Can Talk and Rockin' Chair did so well. They've always rated among the very best of the Band in my own personal book... and it would seem a lot of you agree, because their scores dwarf some of the more obvious 'greatest hits' from the first two albums. Thanks for compiling, Al!


Entered at Wed Aug 24 04:28:35 CEST 2011 from (59.101.2.91)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Jack Layton

To be honest, I don't even know what party he was in. But none of the venal, corrupt goons running Australia would have this in them...


Entered at Wed Aug 24 03:17:13 CEST 2011 from (208.83.120.147)

Posted by:

Calvin

Peter, If your friend is interested in their father's collection being preserved, and isnt solely interested in the monetary value, the she should donate it to an music archive. As you may or may not have recollected Ive moved into to archiving as a profession after I closed my camera stores so I tend to work with some of these folks from time to time. I know recently someone offered an immense collection of jazz records to Oberlin-which if you followed jazz in the 50s and 60s means something.

It means they will stay lovingly cared for and available to serious students of the music for years to come. And there is of course the tax write off.


Entered at Wed Aug 24 03:05:47 CEST 2011 from (68.171.231.80)

Posted by:

Bill M

Sadavid: I'm sure their approach will be sensitive and nurturing - along the lines of a young person who refused to allow physical challenges stand in the way of pursuing of her artistic passion.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 23:43:55 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

At UK record fairs the people handing over large wads of £20 notes are mainly Japanese, Korean and Chinese. Then German and Dutch. That's keeping prices up, but the gap between the very best stuff and the rest is widening, I sense.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 22:26:01 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Sadavid…….funny……..imagine one 6 year old turning to another at page 20 and saying “Oh no, he’s pratting on again about that tour with Dylan and being booed everywhere they went”……..or another showing just a tad too much like for the Pink Scarf and his parents immediately enrolling him in football……….only to sustain 9 concussions and years later haunt the Band’s GB with stories of how the guitarist couldn’t have written the songs………Oh My…the mind does boggle……..take me away earth quake….


Entered at Tue Aug 23 22:09:09 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: JRR to be subject of children's book

Did we miss this? Or did no one believe it?

I wonder how they're gonna handle the one-armed go-go dancer . . . .


Entered at Tue Aug 23 21:58:22 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: earthshaking music

Thanks Kevin J. Minnie Ripperton of RotCon cuts glass starting around 3:50, and then moves up to diamonds.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 21:15:02 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Collectibles and Prices Falling / Peter V

Peter, you bring up a very good point. Prices falling; from 50's records certainly has to do with an aging demographic. I have a friend who sells his vinyl at record fairs and it's getting harder and harder to sell the older material. He was a WB and Sony record rep for many years'; with lots of mint promo copies and has now switched to selling on Ebay and is doing really, really well.

What he is now finding is that for something he might ask $15.00 for........someone in Japan; or Norway.....will offer, for example, $150.00. He gets blown away all the time. Another example. When the Jefferson Airplane and the Grateful Dead came here in 1966, Bill Graham was walking around handing our posters and leaflets. My friend keeps everything. Recently he offered a poster for $50.00 and received an offer of $500.00. He knows a guy that got an offer for $2,500.00. Again......whatever the collector will pay.

I still remember meeting Dave Clark (DC 5) a few years ago at a CD launch party of his greatest hits. I'm not sure how successful it was; but I remember thinking at the time "I'll bet he just got in; under the wire." I too am finding myself passing on items. I'm out of room basically and it just doesn't mean as much to me anymore.

Then again if someone wanted to sell me the CANADIAN version of the first MONO release of Blonde On Blonde", I would buy it in a heartbeat. I have talked about this before; but even though the Canadian and American original mono versions had the same number, the Canadian one was mixed differently; with the organ way up front. Even Rob Bowman did not know this fact; when he was told about it. Rob said, "You learn something everyday."


Entered at Tue Aug 23 20:53:11 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

……and I took the shaking to being Toronto’s enthusiastic reaction to Bill M’s inclusion of the Rotary Connection’s “Like a Rolling Stone”………4-5 seconds of the building shaking in a fairly substantial way – Uptown TO..........


Entered at Tue Aug 23 20:36:12 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Earth Quake

Just registered a 5.8 earthquake here. Started in Virgina........on to Washington; with a 6 on the scale and parts of NY state. My wife was evacuated; from her building. She said the floor was shaking. We had one last year that registered 5. I live in the east end of Toronto and felt nothing.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 20:02:25 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: revised top 30

Al E: Here's the revised list, which was tougher to do than the first because of all the other great songs that I was reminded of. In no particular order.

"Kehna Ghalat Ghalt To Chhupana Sahi Sahi" - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
"Sinner Man" - Nina Simone
"Kemat Maryam" - Fairuz
"White Rabbit" - Jefferson Airplane
"My Old Man (An Essay)" - Nobby Clegg and the Civilians
"Better Git Hit In Yo' Soul" - Charles Mingus
"White Room" - Cream
"Piece Of Wood" - Eugene Smith
"God" - John Lennon
"Public Image" - Public Image Ltd
"Opportunity" - Mandala
"The Lucky Ones" - Blackie and the Rodeo Kings
"Bring It Down Front" - Jon-Lee Group
"Streets Of London" - Ralph McTell
"Get Together" - Youngbloods
"Everyday People" - Sly and the Family Stone
"Shout" - Isley Brothers
"Need To Belong" - Dianne Brooks
"We're All In This Together - Tobi Lark
"Automatic Man" - Brahman
"Like A Rolling Stone" - Dylan / Hawks (live in Manchester)
"Like A Rolling Stone" - Rotary Connection
"Rockin' Chair" - the Band
"Under Pressure" - Bowie / Queen
"See Me, Feel Me" - the Who
"Half-Closed Eyes" - Kensington Market
"Rain-O" - Chilliwack
"You Make Me High" - Luke and the Apostles
"Redemption Song" - Bob Marley
"The Light Brigade" - Fred Eaglesmith


Entered at Tue Aug 23 19:30:29 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: By the numbers.....

By the numbers according to GB regulars……….The Band album: 727 points, Big Pink 444 points, Northern Lights/Southern Cross: 301 points, Stage Fright: 167 points……………………….Interesting tidbit….”.Strawberry Wine” once dominated discussion here for what seemed like weeks on end – rec’d no votes……………….surprise has to be the relatively low ranking of the song ‘Stage Fright” perhaps reflecting the sad fact that we now have too few females in this crazy little saloon known as the Band GB………Every women I know ranks "Stage Fright" highly.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 19:26:29 CEST 2011 from (99.235.255.183)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Ashford & Simpson

Hi Guys!! Sad news to share in my link..

Great posts, and Thanx to Bill & Al for the lists.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


Entered at Tue Aug 23 19:24:38 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: old vinyl

I inherited and still have a one sided Caruso 78 record, I also have an old 'windup" Brunswick Balke Calendar cabinet player. Its fun to wind it up and hear them played. The needles need to be replaced often. I found an antique radio store so I bought about 100.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 18:19:23 CEST 2011 from (174.89.116.120)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Al………Thank you for that compilation………….Recall months ago when I made the point that The Band album was superior to Big Pink based on the great song theory………well the score is in…….Brown overwhelms with 6 of 10, Northern Lights – Southern Cross gets 2..and Big Pink also 2…………….case closed…………Christmas Must Be Tonight with one point was mine…the best song for the season in rock – for what that is worth….J. Lennon’s would be a close second…..


Entered at Tue Aug 23 18:04:19 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

John D – one of the Decca 33 rpm LPs I found has “(2 sides) No. 1” and “(2 sides) No 2” marked on the label, so they must have had folk memories of single-sided records.

The Decca group mainly produced single-sided demo 45s in the UK until about 1958 or 1959, to stop records being flipped. A single side was more drastic than the huge red “A” which came in later. One, I can’t remember which, had single-sided demos for each side because they weren’t sure which to go with. There are a couple of indie late 70s single siders too.

It’s got to be the right performance, and the right pressing for classical. The Decca FFRR system was developed by Decca (Radar) for detecting submarines in WW2, and meant that early Decca and London pressings are held to be superior.

I’ve also found Decca 10” LPs marked “MP” (for “Medium Play”). There’s fascinating stuff among the junk.

I had an experience where a friend asked me to value her Dad’s old jazz LPs and EPs. Hundreds of them. Only a handful were in the Rare Record Guide. Many were early 50s. Even if they make the guide, you’d be very hard put finding a buyer. I assume jazz and classical 45s are disregarded because it was mainly an LP market. It's sad to see a lovingly preserved collection worth so little.

I notice at Record Fairs that prices of 50s rock & roll are falling fast. I guess a lot are coming on sale as people pass away, and fewer people are interested. It doesn't affect the top of the market, but standard Everly Bros / Fats Domino / Eddie Cochran are generally well below guide prices. Stuff like early Chuck Berry holds value though.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 17:33:13 CEST 2011 from (59.101.2.91)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Ashford and Leiber; The Weight at #1 (at last...); other sundry stuff.

Very sad news about two great songwriters, who between them would have at least 5 songs in many a top 20 list...

I'm surprised (not disappointed, exactly) that IMND edged out TNTDODD... but there you go. What a great list. And the Weight at No. 1: should have in 1968 - has, finally... many, many, 'we're not worthy's' to Al Edge.

Is Jools Holland the best music show on television at the moment? (Just aksking...)

Wax cylinders and their players (replicas from Japan) can be picked up for very little...


Entered at Tue Aug 23 16:17:53 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Classical Gas

Peter. A number of years ago, an elderly neighbor asked if I would come and look at some of his records and assess it's worth. I said I would look at them; but didn't know how to determine worth.

I saw for the very first time and I believe the last........one sided vinyl. Nothing recorded on the other side. They were mint recordings of Enrico Caruso. They were beautiful. I immediately thought he had a bit of a goldmine here; so I went to some experts in the field and they told me that each recording might fetch about $50.00. I was shocked. Now this person may have been wrong; but we always have to remember the old saying. A collector's item is only worth what the buyer wants to purchase for. We moved shortly after that; but regret not buying the recordings.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 16:07:21 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing

In addition to Jerry Leiber, we've also lost another great songwriter, Nick Ashford.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 16:02:29 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Classical Gas

Peter: I don't know about the accuracy of that percentage quoted, but I guess the problem with classical LPs involves the sheer number of duplicative material that feature mediocre interpretations and production quality. That said, some of the greatest recordings of all time can be found on classical LPs; one just has to look for the right match between record label, conductor, orchestra, performance and recording technique. Many outstanding classical LPs were produced by labels such as RCA (Living Stereo) and Mercury (Living Presence) here in the U.S. In the U.K., recordings from Lyrita and Decca, especially those engineered by Kenneth Wilkinson, are highly regarded. Mr. Wilkinson also engineered some great budget LPs issued by Reader's Digest years ago.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 15:30:34 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: THE BAND'S FINEST SONGS [as voted by their finest fans hmmph]

I'll post the individual selections later but here we go for the definitive list - 52 selections in all- every one a winner:

:-0)

FINAL POSITIONS
1] The Weight - 175 points
2] King Harvest - 174 points
3] It Makes no Difference - 143 points
4] The Night they drove old Dixie down - 131 points
5] We Can Talk - 101 points
6] Rockin Chair - 99 points
7] Acadian Driftwood - 93 points
= 8] Whispering Pines - 68 points
= 8] Unfaithful Servant - 68 points
= 9] Tears of Rage - 50 points
= 9] Up on Cripple Creek - 50 points
10] When You Awake - 47 points
11] Rag Mama Rag - 44 points
12] Ophelia - 42 points
13] All La Glory - 32 points
14] The Rumor - 29 points
15] Shape I'm in - 28 points
16] Chest Fever - 27 points
17] Across the Great Divide - 24 points
=18] Caledonia Mission - 23 points
=18] Stagefright - 23 points
=19] Sleeping - 21 points
=19] When I Paint My Masterpiece - 21 points
20] I Shall Be Released - 20 points
=21] Twilight - 19 points
=21] Daniel and the Sacred Harp - 19 points
=22] Life is a Carnival - 16 points
=22] Long Black Veil - 16 points
=23] Look Out Cleveland - 14 points
=23] Ain't No More Cane - 14 points
24] Lonesome Suzie - 13 points
=25] To Kingdom Come - 11 points
=25] WS Walcott - 11 points
26] Katie’s Been Gone - 10 points
=27] The Saga of Pepote Rouge - 9 points
=27] Out Of The Blue - 9 points
=28] Mystery Train - 8 points
=28] This Wheels on Fire -8 points
29] The Stones I Throw - 7 points
30] Jawbone - 6 points
=31] Time To Kill - 4 points
=31] 4% Pantomime - 4 points
=31] Ruben Remus - 4 points
=32] Yazoo Street Scandal - 3 points
=32] Get up Jake - 3 points
=32] Jupiter Hollow - 3 points
=33] Where Do We Go from Here - 2 points
=33] Jemima Surrender - 2 points
=34] Livin’ In a Dream - 1 point
=34] The Well - 1 point
=34] Christmas Must be Tonight - 1 point
=34] Bessie Smith - 1 point


Entered at Tue Aug 23 14:47:06 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


Entered at Tue Aug 23 14:24:52 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

"Rock & Roll Shoes" live from '84.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 12:28:18 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Jerry Leiber

The Ace songwriter series runs to 3 CDs on Leiber & Stoller. They include Stand By Me, Spanish Harlem, I (Who Have Nothing), Is That All There Is, Searchin', Love Potion No 9, Jackson, On Broadway, Some Other Guy, There Goes My Baby.


Entered at Tue Aug 23 07:12:48 CEST 2011 from (24.218.16.94)

Posted by:

Dave H

Jerry Leiber also co-wrote "Saved," covered on Moondog Matinee, with his longtime songwriting & business partner Mike Stoller.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 23:08:39 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Classical LPs

Interested in your opinion, David P. The Goldmine Record Guide says that "99% of classical LPs are worthless". The British Rare Record Guide agreed. Then last month they did a "surprised" feature. Some select early classical LPs are hitting hundreds of pounds at auction. I saw a batch of five pristine LPs today, all circa 1949-51at £1 each and picked them up, for the sleeves in fact. But do you think early classical vinyl is "worthless"? The sound quality is stunning.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 22:57:55 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain

Northwestcoaster:Well done. This great performance is for you.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 22:57:52 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

American songwriter & R & R Hall of Famer Jerry Leiber passed away today. Best known for "Jailhouse Rock," "Hound Dog" & "Stand By Me," but co-write THE BAND cover tune "Young Blood."


Entered at Mon Aug 22 20:50:38 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding

I have a copy of Marvin Gaye's 1968 LP "In The Groove", which includes his version of "I Heard It Through The Grapevine". The album also includes his version of the Ivy Jo Hunter / Stevie Wonder classic "Loving You I Sweeter Than Ever".


Entered at Mon Aug 22 19:36:37 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Joan: Thanks for the link. Nice to see you immortalised. I've encountered a few people with just a single name over the years, but all the others have been from Indonesia.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 19:05:49 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: More Grapevine

I had to hear the Marvin Gaye version to clear my ears. Then I put on the Gladys Knight. While great in isolation, the very different backing always makes it sound weird right after Creedence (who cover Marvin) and Marvin. But I did notice that the vinyl singles attached to the 1966 and 1967 Complete Motown Singles are the two versions of Grapevine. That’s how important it was to Motown.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 18:54:11 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The pissing rain was in Spain, not along the Mersey, which is not an area renowned for sunny skies.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 18:52:25 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We crossed in the ether, Bill. We both hoid "hoid"


Entered at Mon Aug 22 18:49:46 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bragg Grapevine Fabregas

Billy Bragg … he redeemed himself with his fine “Never Buy The Sun.” Also, I saw him with The Imagined Village and he has a ton of charisma.

Creedence … I passed three buskers with ukuleles doing “Travelin’ Band” this afternoon and very good they were.

Creedence’s I Heard It Through The Grapevine clocks in at 11m 08 seconds. Sorry, but I’ve always disliked it, especially the vocal. I had to play it just now, because I always skip it on Cosmo’s Factory and on the Ultimate Collection, and while the other best-known Creedence are all on my iPod, Grapevine isn’t. Nor are I Put A Spell On You or Suzie Q in fact. I don’t like them as a covers band. The “hoid” for “heard” gets up my nose and the bass player isn’t fit to wipe James Jamerson’s greasy bass strings, but so few bass players ever were. What’s a very, very long guitar solo doing on there? BUT I admit it would have been thoroughly enjoyable live. That’s what I meant about live being different

Marvin Gaye is the ultimate version, followed by Gladys Knight … then the theme instrumental version with sax instead of vocal because it’s so familiar. The session sax player they used was from The Rolling Stones touring band and just about did it in one.

On Fabregas, I worked with an English guy who ran an office in Barcelona for two years. In all that time he was never invited into a Catalan home. He moved to Madrid, and in a few weeks had been in a dozen. A bit like Poole v Liverpool, probably! Also, I’ve been there four times and it has pissed with torrential rain every time.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 18:42:56 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Adam: If it were true that "Levon clearly sings 'mud'" then we wouldn't have even started the mud/blood conversation, which is a hardy perennial around here. My firm view is that Levon is singing 'mlud' - which is not Robbie's only attempt to play both sides of an argument in that song, viz., the mixture of 'La' and 'Na' in what the people were singing when the bells were ringing.

Al E / Peter V: The big difference is that where Marvin G heard it, John F hoid it. If nothing else, Marvin had a better quality grapevine.

Re Raising Cane, I suspect that 'Cain' was introduced as a euphemism for 'Hell', Cain having been marked as Hell's first inmate. On that topic, let's not forget Springsteen's "Adam raised a Cain".

Al E: I redid my top 30. I want you to know that the final culls (50 to 40 and 40 to 30 - gutting experiences both) included Bob Seger's "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man".


Entered at Mon Aug 22 18:22:39 CEST 2011 from (24.185.195.237)

Posted by:

Ari

Good to hear Richard speaking. I don't think I've ever seen him speak on video. Besides TLW


Entered at Mon Aug 22 18:22:00 CEST 2011 from (90.239.111.74)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: New Guinness World Record in ukulele playing

Yes, we did it! (The link shows some consentrated new Guinness World Record holders.)


Entered at Mon Aug 22 18:04:04 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: interview

The attached interview is with Elliot Mazer. Band and Dylan content.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 17:49:52 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Al. As someonewho grew up grabbing the The Village Voice the morning it was out , then eventually the red distribution boxes, which contained Robert Christgau's nonsense on a weekly basis, I swear by the concrete below my feet that the guy has gotten away with fraud for the length of his career.Drivel, nonsense, etc


Entered at Mon Aug 22 16:15:03 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

JERRY: Ta mate - duly noted

FRED: One for you and PV and other Brits. I found it amusing anyroad.

SPANISH SENSATION Cesc Fabregas has revealed that moving to Barcelona was the biggest mistake of his life and is desperately lobbying the Champions’ League winners for an immediate return home to his teenhood club Arsenal.

During his last three seasons in north London Fabregas made no secret of his desire to play for Barcelona, changing his first name by deed poll to ‘Wantaway’ and training in a Barcelona replica kit paid for out of his own pocket.

But in an emotional interview with Heat Magazine, the playmaker revealed how his dream move has turned into a nightmare.

“My dream move has turned into a nightmare”, he said. “It is like I finally kissed the girl I have been fantasizing about for years, and then opened my eyes and realised she was Carlos Puyol.”

He continued: “Nothing about this as good as I hoped it would be – it is too hot, they all speak too quickly, and everybody has their dinner at midnight.”

Fabregas is reportedly disappointed by the level of Barcelona’s famous continental sophistical, describing it as “merely a measly diguise for a lack of banter”.

Friends of the star hinted that Fabregas had arrived for his first day training gleefully expecting a team mate to cut up his socks, set his trousers on fire or sleep with his girlfriend for a joke. When his initiation failed to materialise Fabregas is said to have flushed his own head down the toilet so he could feel like one of the lads.

Fabregas is also unhappy with his lack of playing opportunities: “When I signed for Barcelona Guardiola promised me an automatic first-team place, but I am the worst player at the club.

“I spend most of the day carrying out undemanding administrative tasks. It has been terrible for my self-esteem. I have begged the manager to sign one of my former teammates. I pine for Nicklas Bendnter so I can remind myself that i'm really quite good and perhaps get my confidence back.”

Fabregas also confessed that his nostalgia for England has led to disturbed sleep and erratic behaviour. “Last night, I dreamt that I was being kicked through the middle of Stoke on a wet Wednesday night. In the dream I was so happy, but when I woke up and remembered all the photocopying I had to do, I was devastated.

“I am so lonely I have even started phoning Emmanuel Frimpong. We weren’t really friends during my time with the Gunners, but now the thought of never partnering him in another shuttle run makes me feel like crying. I just want to go home.”

Although Arsenal are thought to be interested in ending Fabregas’ Spanish exile, manager Arsène Wenger is unwilling to meet the Catalan giant’s £35 million valuation of the player, and is instead thought to be targeting several rough diamond French teenagers who might be quite good by 2017.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 22 16:10:59 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: filled with ill content

Al Edge: the events of "Acadian Driftwood" are very present still in the minds of some. [My link] is a recent editorial from the newspaper _L'Acadie Nouvelle_, on the subject of the recent un-re-naming of the Canuckistanian armed forces (back to "Royal" Canadian Navy and Air Force).

The pertinent bit translates as "not everyone shares the attachment to the British Crown felt by [the Prime Minister and Minister of Defence]. That's particularly true here, in _Acadie_, where for many the Crown is a painful reminder in our collective memory of the Deportation of 1755. "Royal Canadian Navy" recalls the British "Royal Navy" that participated in that attempted genocide."


Entered at Mon Aug 22 16:09:08 CEST 2011 from (72.196.147.147)

Posted by:

Calvin

Thanks Jeff, Richie's website he'll be playing the Beachland 11/5. Oddly enough the Beachland, and I was there last night seeing the very unusual Jandek, does not list him yet.

Best Concert Venue in Cleveland though-its a old Croatian Club with seemingly perfect acoustics. Actually Saw Richie and Chris Hillman there a few years back.

BTW Peter, im what would have probably been annoying as yell to you I saw Billy Bragg in Manhattan a few weeks back doing his Street Musician Bit-and he covered The Weight with his thick accent-which if memory serves really gets on your nerves. (Actually all the songs were voted on by fans the couple of days before the show). It was a very interesting idea though as everyone in the audience was encouraged to bring their instruments and play along at the show-which was outside Lincoln Center.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 15:51:46 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

Jerry Tenenbaum

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittentlyi

Subject: Top 10 Band

Al It Makes No Difference gets 5 and Whispering Pines 8.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 15:48:54 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Standing by your window

in pain.

I love puns. They're all good. And that one is real glass!

I mean class.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 22 15:45:10 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


Entered at Mon Aug 22 15:42:53 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: brother's keeper

Don't underestimate the power of the pun - I wouldn't be surprised if it was something Virgil's pappy used to say, now -- force of habit -- Virgil can hardly hold a conversation without resurrecting the old line . . . .

The album opens with a bad pun.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 15:34:58 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Winter in my Blood

I'm not Canadian but when I hear the exquisitness of that wonderful performance it makes me so emotional I feel like I may as well be.

Thanks bob W

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 22 15:10:05 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


Entered at Mon Aug 22 14:54:01 CEST 2011 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Alan

You forgot about my keen awareness and tactical nous in the midfiled. ; )


Entered at Mon Aug 22 14:50:09 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: I think you've cracked it Fred

Richard - and his five o'clock shadow.

Of course.

Takes a true Canadian with oriental cultural infusion and a sound sense of yuma to get to the heart of these things.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 22 14:42:01 CEST 2011 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Speak up son I can't hear you.

I always thought it was "Don't give up on...five o'clock." Go figure.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 13:54:39 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: More blood out of a stone

Adam, also there's the reality of the listening experience for most of us older fans. Sound quality on the old dansettes - which constituted my immersion into The Band right up to Northern Lights/Southern Cross was not exactly the most well defined in intelligibility terms. And once something like that is implanted it takes some shifting.

One other one in this connection which in my cocooned isolation I used to sing and still do for that matter is on We Can Talk. I used to hear "Don't Give up we fought this far" when the lyrics as pointed out to me by Peter Viney 32 years after my own version had taken firm root is actually "Don't give up on Father Clock".

Even now I till prefer my own take as it happens.

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 22 13:43:57 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Blood [not the visceral stuff]

ADAM: I think the 'blood' reference most folk are thinking of is in the sense of kith and kin/bloodline not actual blood on the ground - though not entirely sure why in the context of the recent battles Virgil had possibly witnessed that could still not have applied.

Hows about yer top 10? Any chance?

:-0)

PETER: Given your devotion to marvin and Grapevine in particular, I'm even more curious now to know your take on Fogerty's re-working?


Entered at Mon Aug 22 12:31:52 CEST 2011 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

NUX

Subject: Another Haslop Review

NEIL YOUNG INTERNATIONAL HARV ESTERS

A Treasure (Reprise 9362-49579-3) Review: Richard Haslop

Neil Young’s unpredictability has sometimes made him a difficult act for his record label to control; which is precisely as it should be, of course, but not necessarily how the industry prefers things. He used to say that, after “Harvest”, his biggest selling album, everybody expected to find him in the middle of the road, so he headed for the ditch. That particular detour produced arguably his two finest records, “On The Beach” and “Tonight’s The Night”. When he changed labels temporarily in the ‘80s, Geffen found itself, to its great consternation, the recipient of more bloodymindedness.

For his first album for the new company, “Trans”, he immersed himself in electronics and sang through a vocoder. Reminded by his new bosses that he was a rock singer, he slicked back his hair, dressed like a ‘50s rockabilly and delivered the unreconstructed pink Cadillac rock ‘n’ roll of “Everybody’s Rockin’”. Sued by his label for not sounding enough like Neil Young he took a two year recording break before returning with “Old Ways”, a relatively insipid excursion into traditional country that seemed like another musical misstep.

However, Young assembled an outstanding band, the International Harvesters, from the musicians that played the “Old Ways” sessions, basically his Stray Gators lineup augmented by legendary session pianists Spooner Oldham and Hargus Robbins, bassman Joe Allen and veteran Cajun fiddler Rufus Thibodeaux, and hit the country road. As “A Treasure”, the latest and, so far, the most surprising in Young’s recent career spanning release schedule reveals, the live results left the studio effort trailing in the dust.

Featuring invigorated and invigorating versions of a couple of the “Old Ways” songs, revisiting his own Are You Ready For The Country by paying closer attention to its titular roots and thoroughly refreshing Buffalo Springfield’s Flying On The Ground Is Wrong, giving Southern Pacific an Orange Blossom Special derived makeover, breaking out his own overdriven electric on Grey Riders and even playing the blues, after a fashion, on Soul Of A Woman, he invests his version of country with energy and enthusiasm that the studio album never suggested was possible. Motor City, from 1981’s patchy “Re-ac-tor”, remains a politically questionable clunker but, as old Neil reminds us on a swaying country waltz, nothing is perfect in God’s perfect plan.

PERFORMANCE: 4 SOUND: 4

Obtained from Gallo Warner



Entered at Mon Aug 22 11:49:53 CEST 2011 from (75.34.51.41)

Posted by:

Adam

"Dixie" and mud/blood. I always thought it was extremely silly to even consider 'blood' in the lyrics. I think it's more of fans hearing what they want/think the lyrics should be, rather than what is actually being said (just like 'Across The Great Divide': 'get yourslef upright' sounds more "proper"/"clever" than the actual lyrics of "get yourself a bride"). Levon clearly sings 'mud'.

Similarly, I have never had any doubt about 'Holy Cow' or 'A Change Is Gonna Come'. It's Rick Danko singing both. Suggesting anything else is like saying Robbie sang 'King Harvest (Has Surely Come'.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 11:39:29 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Grapevine

I Heard It Through the Grapevine is close to my heart. I did a book and video series called Grapevine, and we recorded a version as the theme. The Tamla one was apparently designed by Norman Whitfield and Barrett Strong for Marvin Gaye, but his take was rejected by the powers that be. Variously The Miracles, Bobby Taylor, The Temptations, The Isley Brothers then put vocals on the same backing track. Eventually Gladys Knight had a hit version before the Marvin Gaye version saw the light of day. BUT … that James Jamerson original bass line is a defining moment.

It's "What's Going On" before Marvin Gaye started having a real say in what went on the backing track.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 11:07:11 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The long and short of it

Agree with what's being said.

Everything has its place.

Just take Creedence and Heard it through the Grapevine. Long as the day yet every note, every chord and in particular every bass riff seems everybit as vital to me as Marvin Gaye's concise classic. If I had to be left just with one I'd go for Creedence evry time. No slight on Marvin but in that instance long and quintessential quality simply come together to perfection.

Then of course there's the 5/6/7 minute epic cinemascope landscapes painted by Brucie on New York City Seranade/Jungleland/Badlands/Promised Land/Backstreets/The Promise

And yet by contrast the cornerstone of all us rock/pop/soul freaks surely has to be the two/three minute classic. From the old doo wops through Buddy, Chuck and the boys to the utter genius of a philosophical novel somehow perfectly compressed into Eleanor Rigby

Great subject matter :-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 22 11:01:31 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Rap & Morrisey

I agree. I struggle to make sense of rap, hip hop and house. I bought The Message new when it was in the charts, but after that it didn’t get through very often. I even bought two or three of the most critically acclaimed albums and tried.

I would have laughed at Morrisey a few years ago (and after all he is a bit of a prat), but the research I’ve been doing on British record labels got me noticing those wonderful retro photos on the sleeves of Smiths singles (which he designed), and I started picking them up and listening, and then I thought ‘not bad’, so now I wouldn’t. I don’t think he’s up there with Paul, but even within the premier league, you have your Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal and the other one, then you have your Aston Villa or Newcastle in the middle, then the changing bunch at the bottom. Similarly, Paul Weller is not greatly to my taste, but I still see him as a major player.

In the end you can have your poll of critics and get a general consensus on The Beatles, Dylan, Springsteen, Simon, Van Morrison and such. There was a book of ‘best’ albums based on polling 200 critics and DJs whose opinions amalgamated.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 10:46:59 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Creme de la Creme [or de la Soul]

This is the moreorless the sort of area myself and Jerry T used to discuss all those years ago Pete. It’s like quicksilver. You think you’ve got it sussed. But really you never do.

I guess to sum it up it hinges around where subjectivity ends and objectivity begins. Or vice versa for that matter.

Try as we might to be entirely objective, it’s simply inevitable that no matter how highly we rank our own insight into these things our personal taste will invariably cloud our objectivity to some degree or another.

Forinstance you try telling Peter Viney [that’s you Pete btw :-0)] that Paul Simon is not a premier league heavyweight artist, tried and proven over many years. Or that Morrissey and the Smiths deserve to share equal billing with Paul. He’ll laugh you out the room.

By the same token you try telling Chris Edge [my eldest] that Morrissey and the Smiths are not premier league tried and proven heavyweight artists and that Paul Simon by comparison is merely an excellent songsmith/tunesmith and he’ll look at you with the sort of dismissive glare that makes you question whether you actually know anything about anything. Actually he’s a big cuddly teddy bear – but you get my drift. :-0)

I guess I stopped trying to think of myself as a person with any real insight into the bigger picture when I started reading Christgau’s celebration of Hip Hop, rap, house music etc. I thought, fair enough, I might not agree with an awful lot of Christgau’s interpretations on rock/pop music [he sees BITUSA as Brucie’s finest album forinstance] but he is a full time analyst of the genre. That’s what he does. That’s what he is. So I’ll try and see if his extolling of those genres has any foundation or he’s just bullshitting to gain street cred.

After a few valiant sorties I had to give up. I couldn’t make head nor tail of why he felt some of that genre to be so powerful and so vital. Yet the fact it has lasted so long and migrated so divergently I guess vindicates his veering in that direction. No matter how much it might not appeal to me nor however much I just cannot bring myself to rate it, there is simply no argument against its premier standing across the bigger picture.

I guess nothing is as cut and dried as we think. Except, of course, that The Band were the finest of all time – ha ha.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 10:44:46 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sorry, I used "single" which is misleading. As Jeff said, all tracks are getting longer. The discipline of single length or LP length went years ago. Often 5 or 6 minutes just feels normal live, but on a recording the same length is often overblown.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 10:05:39 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: It's not how long it is …

In the classic British pantomime there will be a sword fight between (say) Aladdin, played by a girl dressed as a boy, and the wizard. The short Aladdin will draw his short little sword, and the taller villain will say, "Ah, mine is longer than yours." To which in time honoured fashion, Aladdin will say, "It's not how long it is. It's what you do with it that counts." A double entendre beloved by British theatre goers for 100 Christmases.

I have nothing against longer songs. 5 or 7 minutes is fine if you have either the lyrics or the music to make it interesting. One of my favourite songs of all time is Stay by Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs, which is reckoned the shortest charting single at 1 m 38s. There’s a Pete Seeger B-side, Mail Myself To You, which is I minute 8 seconds, though being Pete Seeger it feels far longer.

Was there a magic length for singles? On their 1985 reunion tour, after a back-to-back series of classics, Don Everly apologised for breaking their two-and-a-half minute “rule” before playing their then current single, On the Wings of A Nightingale. As the live album later proved, they’d been breaking the rule all night, but the point was valid. You had the sense of material being played at its original recorded length.

Three other favourites are House of The Rising Sun, Like A Rolling Stone, advertised as “that 6 minute single” and “What’d I Say” which had to be cut into Pts 1 & 2 to fit on a single.

The shortest charting record ever is Yellow Magic Orchestra’s “Computer Game” at 22 seconds, but there was another track on the same side. “Blue Room” by The Orb is the longest at 39m 57 seconds, escaping the Gallup rule that 40 minutes made it an album. That was on CD. The 12” single was a mere 18 m 45s.

The point is how long a song needs to be. Often, those 5 or 6 minutes feel padded out, or become tedious. What was to be said, has been said. We’ve had the solos too.

BOB SEGER I don’t think I’ve listened to him since the mid to late 80s. I would have said second-division. The premier league of performing songwriters (i.e. taking out Leiber & Stoller, or Bert Berns or Pomus & Schuman) is so stellar a bunch that you’d be hard put to fill all the places without having a few hovering around the relegation zone year in and year out.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 09:30:57 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

JERRY T: What positions are you plumping for Jerry - and in place of what? It may seem pedantic but it can be significant given the points difference.

JEFF: Are we talking the John Hiatt upper echelon or the more than a handful is wasted philosophy?

:-0)


Entered at Mon Aug 22 08:55:30 CEST 2011 from (59.101.2.91)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan: Parodied...

I think they miss the very best, which is 'Bob' by Weird Al Yankovic... all palindromes... Didn't know the Zappa story...

Also, follow teh links in the story to some wonderful footage of John Lennon and Dylan ...

Now, Jeff: the reason , as I'm sure you know that most music fitted into radio format of 3 or 4 minutes was because the storage technology didn't allow it: a 45 single, for example can stretch to what - 7 minutes? tops? During the 60s and 70s (say from 66, through to about 75) the corporates hadn't taken over the music industry. When Frampton Came Alive, and the figures starting coming in... songs got shorter again...

I agree that there's a degradation of lyrical and musical content in the longer songs at the moment. However, someone will (or has) worked out how to make it work... I predict a new 'golden age' soonish...


Entered at Mon Aug 22 06:30:20 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Richie Furay Tour

Richie Furay is hitting the road again. So far his tour starts Nov 2 outside Chicago at SPACE, in Evanston, and ends with a show in a synagoue in Short Hills, New Jersey on the 12th.

Calvin, he is hitting Cleveland, and all you Northeasterners, shows in Connecticut, Mass, and BB Kings in NY are on the schedule.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 04:30:54 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Al, by the way, i disagree entirely with that philosophy . Ari Gold's TV show is about to start, gotta go.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 02:06:51 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

Jerry Tenenbaum

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: reconsideration

Al John D is right again, as usual. I need 12 songs on my 10 song list. "It Makes No Difference" and "Whispering Pines', for sheer vocal intimacy and power, have to be in the top 10.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 01:36:19 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

In the majority of commercial music history (note the words majority & copmmercial), songs longer than three or 4 minutes were the kiss of death. But Peter, i;ve noticed that in the last approx. ten years, probably more so in the last 5 or 6, there'e been a reversal of trends. Commercially succesful songs, in a wide variety of genres,including commercial country, are getting longer & longer, Usually, needlessly so. Usually parts of the song fail musically & lyrically. I am sure you agree, great longer songs exist in plentitude, but everything in the song is essential.

separately, commercial country music is gettibng excessively stupid. In the old days, commercial country music had some great stuff. but today, with songs like Hillbilly Bone, and Country Girl, Shake It For Me,,. it;s just getting plain old fucking dumb.

Anyone have the chance to see Matt Hill in their town, go. YOung guy, has a great voice, plays excellent guitar. Mostly rockabilly, some blues, a showman, has strong howlin wolf and jerry leee lewis influences. Also plays bass with Bob Margolin.Is form North Carolina, lives here i St louis now. Also seen the great James Harman twice in the last few days. One of the few remaining for real bluesmen, the guy is a top notch singer, harpist, and showman. Funny as hell, has lived the life, had hits as a young man, and been up & down the ladder and sideways too. Anyone has the chance to see him, i'd say don't miss this guy.


Entered at Mon Aug 22 00:29:28 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: John Hiatt

I know what you mean pete. An artist of immense talent but never quite attaining that iconic acceptance of the two you mention - and others.

That said, I did feel in terms of consistent quality albums he possibly just about merited the tag of having nudged himself into the lower reaches of the upper echelon with Bring the Family and Slow Turning. Both I felt were albums as good as most around in the sort of way Boz Scaggs did it with Silk degrees and, later, Some Change.

Where would you place the amazing Bob Seger, Pete? For me he has to be firmly in the mid ranks of the higher echelon. Even though most folks over this side think he's pete seeger's offspring and his music began and ended with we've Got Tonight, Hollywood Nights and Roll Me Away.

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 21 21:27:25 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: new John Hiatt

I’ve been listening to the latest John Hiatt, Dirty Jeans & Mudslide Hymns. It’s made me wonder what the line is between the “first division” of songwriters and the second. Hiatt is, and has always been, “top of the second division”. This means I buy him automatically and like his stuff. The new album impresses most when he’s channeling others’ melodies. Damn This Town is Neil Young. Till I Get My Lovin’ Back is Bruce Springsteen, apart from the misguided middle bit. But the middle bit of the churning “I Love That Girl” (which channels Marshall Crenshaw) also fails. A lot of songs are 5 to 6 minutes, while having said all they have to say in three and a half. Everything on there is good. Three are very good indeed. But as Frank Zappa said to Ian Underwood (quote from Uncle Meat), “What do you do that’s fantastic?” Hmm. Nothing that’s fantastic.


Entered at Sun Aug 21 19:41:13 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Brooklyn massager

Ha ha - anymore than a handful is wasted

I can see this is all going to go tits up

:-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 21 19:15:33 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

My favorite udder nine? Vanessa, Georgia, Sue..that's six so far...umm we're gonna end up with an even number. Well, actually not necessarily, as udders never are symmetrical.


Entered at Sun Aug 21 19:06:55 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

JERRY T: Great to hear from you again. I remember well those lengthy analyses we used to get sucked into re definitive greatness. Ha ha - happy daze. Thanks for list mate. Nice one.

JOHN D: It is a shudderingly powerful line John and I guess it underpins the entire song with that simple yet nigh unbearable truth for anyone left so desolate. Brrrr

Thanks for list mate. I have a feeling yours and Jerry T's selections might just have tweaked a few of the leading positions as they were so close but I'll say no more just yet.

JEFF: Go 'ead lad - giz yer udder nine. Go 'ead. Giz 'em!!! :-0)

NORB: I once had a laptop that blanked me. So I ditched it and got a lapdog. And she won't feckin listen either. :-0)


Entered at Sun Aug 21 17:07:45 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: My Top 10

1. It Makes No Difference

2. Whispering Pines

3. Tears of Rage

4. Long Black Veil

5. King Harvest

6. When I Paint My Masterpiece

7. Rag Mama Rag

8. Acadian Driftwood

9. Jemima Surrender

10. Across The Great Divide.

Tougher than I thought. As Al said "favorites vs artistically is at its best difficult.

The line in It Makes No Difference..."and the dawn don't rescue me...." still haunts me. I guess it goes back to being a child; when your Mother would tell you that everything will look good in the morning. Thought of dawn never being able to do that again quite frankly scares me a little bit; but as an adult you now know the line to be true, depending on your situation.


Entered at Sun Aug 21 17:06:15 CEST 2011 from (79.202.157.184)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: The patio in the garden (alone, my wife sits in the rain outside)

Subject: The John Brown song (the abolitionist)

Talking 'bout DIXIE I wonder if Levon & Robbie ever finished that John Brown song briefly mentioned on the Tibetan boot.


Entered at Sun Aug 21 16:54:19 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Mud/Blood Defeat/?

I first heard the song when it came out. and for a good while, I thought or maybe subconsciously hoped the lyric was "you can't raise a Caine back up when he's in the seed". Conceptually it would go with mud or blood, but as Al discusses, "defeat" works. I do think this is one song where every word would matter to all the creators.

Al, you might be interested in knowing that along with a whole pile of Band songs, TNTDODD is tied for first place on my nonlist.


Entered at Sun Aug 21 15:35:47 CEST 2011 from (24.108.131.161)

Posted by:

Jerry Tenenbaum

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The LIst for Al

My Top 10 for Al. 1. Tears of Rage 2. Long Black Veil 3. I Shall Be Released 4. The Weight 5. King Harvest 6. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down 7. Chest Fever 8. Rag Mama Rag 9. Up On Cripple Creek 10. When I Paint My Masterpiece


Entered at Sun Aug 21 15:08:00 CEST 2011 from (91.42.234.33)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Cecilie's question

My 2 cents (I’m simple but courageous and an optimist), but doesn’t isn’t it jus simple mean;

Cain just lost his brother, lost the war, lost everything he believed in and fought for. He is deeply depressed, sees no future for him and his wife under the Union. He feels lost (defeat) and thinks can’t never be become a full-fledged member (raise back up) of the Union society evermore (can’t) and he says so to Robbie and Levon.

Anyway Cecilie you see your question can be answered in a “thousand” ways. Reading and thinking just form your own answer to the question, and notice even your answer will alter in time. Now if you teacher doesn’t agree with you and you don't agree with him, just say: Dear teacher the truth doesn’t exist (refer to Nietzsche), you have yours and I hold mine :-)

Good luck, bon voyage!


Entered at Sun Aug 21 13:53:03 CEST 2011 from (91.42.238.231)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: 2

Twice posted, sorry my laptop was wrong (and wouldn't listen).


Entered at Sun Aug 21 13:48:56 CEST 2011 from (91.42.238.231)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: € land

Subject: How we keep our € standing

For all Americano’s, this is our way; after long debate, Finland helps Greece who is in need. In return Germany and France pay Greece so that Greece can pay Finland back, in return Finland helps France and Italy. Spain and Portugal borrow money in China to borrow money to France and Italy who now can pay off their debts to Finland, who can redeem Brazil, who now can level with the London city banks, who gets a fair return on their capital, paid by local farmers who borrow….


Entered at Sun Aug 21 13:46:20 CEST 2011 from (91.42.238.231)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: € land

Subject: How we keep our € standing

For all Americano’s, this is the way we keep our € standing. After long debate, Finland helps Greece who is in need. In return Germany and France pay Greece so that Greece can pay Finland back, in return Finland helps France and Italy. Spain and Portugal borrow money in China to borrow money to France and Italy who now can pay off their debts to Finland, who can redeem Brazil, who now can level with the London city banks, who gets a fair return on their capital, paid by local farmers who borrow….


Entered at Sun Aug 21 13:30:22 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: Cecile and Raising Cain

There's an amazing article on this site by Pete Viney with notable contributions from the likes of Pat Brennan with his immense Civil war insight about the song 'Dixie'.

I've linked it and I'm sure you'll find a lot of what you're looking for in there.

For my own part I see the 'raise a kane..in defeat' line linked inextricably with the preceding line 'swear by the blood/mud'.

It's particularly illuminating within the debate in PV's article that the ground beneath the boys feet figured so strongly. The actual debate centred on whether Robbie wrote "I swear by the 'blood' - or the 'mud' -below my feet".

Now, I suppose like most others I had always sung "blood". Not only is that what I would have sworn Levon sings but anything else would seem like a sacrilege.

And yet would it? In the context of the entire thrust of what The Band were about at this stage of their career - i.e. quietly yet joyously proclaiming America's heritage - the use of the word "mud" now actually seems to make perfect sense. As a metaphor for the very lifeblood of any poor farmer the ground - or in Virgil's case 'the mud' - below your feet ranks pretty high on the list.

Woody Guthrie in that great celebratory national anthem of his for the ordinary American chose the power of the term "your land" to convey what he felt about the very spirit of his country. Is not The River Mississippi too - itself a crucial part of America's metaphorical lifeblood - the 'Big Muddy'. For me either term - 'mud' or 'blood' is perfectly congruous and, I must say, I AM beginning to be swayed towards "mud". It will, however, always remain a moot point I feel.

Of course, the lyric in the song that has always leapt out at me is where Virgil almost rues that "you can't raise a Kane back up when he's in defeat". Some in the debate felt this to be incongruous with the almost defiant sub-text of the narrative - i.e. that spirit of Dixie rising up again.

I can understand such a view. I would have the same feelings regarding we 'Scousers' [Liverpudlians] rising up in similar circumstances. I daresay any downtrodden folk can sometimes feel that way. Personally, however, I have always seen this line emotionally as a key one in the song.

To me it represents the fragility and sheer human vulnerability that even a young Virgil can see is present in all of us. These Kanes are tough hombres. They have been through a lot. Bottom line is, however, they are still only human. Mortal souls. At the end of every day they are nothing special. And yet the very fact of the matter is, of course, their very humanity belies that. It actually makes them very special indeed. That line warms me to Virgil and his family more than any other in the song.

God, I love The Band, you know. What they created truly is immortal. Anyroad, good luck Cecille. A worthy topic for anybody to get their teeth into


Entered at Sun Aug 21 13:27:57 CEST 2011 from (91.42.243.139)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: making history; Paola & Paolo

JH, so the first GB suffragette was a man?

Hope you are aware of the impact; the place, the first woman ever to post in this very GB, will move, unprecedentedly deteriorating, later up in history! You know, like us all, that this isn’t good for The Band, for this site, for all brave late suffragettes, all present suffragettes and for the whole further suffragette generation. Everyone can see this is unacceptable. Fortunate there is an easy way to move away from this miserable situation, we just change PaolO in PaolA, ce tout!

You can do this easily, and then please delete this post, we never ever mention it again. Just a two bits change for you, but a giant leap for womankind, everyone happy and our future a better place.

Jan, you and I know that history isn’t a thing that happened in the past but is an object made and shaped in the here and now and that’s just fine. So this historical push forward doesn’t have to aggrieve you in any way. Last but not least; who gave women the right to vote after all?.... exactly … again you and me ….

Carmen, thanks.


Entered at Sun Aug 21 13:23:06 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Cecilie, the long article I've linked has more than you probably want to know. So basically, the choice of the name Caine (or Cain or Kane) had multiple references. The Civil War was known as "the war between brothers" so links to the story of Caine and Abel. From the article:

The choice of names is perfect for a story about the Civil War, which was described as 'The War Between Brothers.' Cain and Abel. One of The Band's first recordings together was "Ain't No More Cane on the Brazos" which refers to sugar cane.

Amanda

The thing that troubles me about the Night they Drove old Dixie Down is the part "you can't raise a Caine back up when he's in defeat" The song is brilliant right up till then but I find this line jarring. In fact, the "raising Caine" image strikes me as being a clumsy piece of word play and a bad pun. (Sorry RR! ) I may be wrong but I've always thought the saying "to raise Caine" expressed good humoured exasperation or exaggeration. For example the children were yelling so loudly they could have raised the dead/raised Caine. As such, the word play seems totally out of place in the song.

Pat B

Regarding "raise a Caine"; don't jump on the "raising cane" angle and consider the "Ain't no more cane on the Brazos" take. Virgil's brother, born and bred from the fertile land of the south, cut down to grow no more. Makes the line brilliant, doesn't it? In fact, the entire song is brilliant, easily the best piece of popular music to deal with the Confederate defeat. Easily. The chorus fits either side of the fight--the joy of the north and the pain of the south. Oblique yet evocative enough to cast different shades of blue and gray, another brilliant facet of the tune.

Peter V

All the meanings are in there, and I agree that Pat's is the primary one, but there is a delight in juxtaposing "raising Caine" as well. Words change in meaning, and the process is normally that they become weaker: "naughty" for Shakespeare meant deeply evil. The dictionaries have "raising Cain(e)" as "causing a disturbance; making trouble; uproar". Presumably because Caine (in the Bible) has been dead so long. I'd be amazed if this was deliberate, but the origin of the phrase happens to be mid-nineteenth century!


Entered at Sun Aug 21 12:05:16 CEST 2011 from (2.108.100.210)

Posted by:

Cecilie

Location: Denmark

Subject: Meaning in the text.

Hi guys. Last week my teacher in religion played the song: The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down in class. After that our homework was to compare the text from the song the old Bible story about Caine and Abel, and find out what The Band meant with: You can't raise a Caine back up, when he's in defeat. I wrote down some ideas of what they could had meant with it. Do you have any ideas of what: You can't raise a Caine back up, when he's in defeat, is supposed to mean? Yours sincerely Cecilie


Entered at Sun Aug 21 11:49:07 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Hiya John

Be thrilled to hear your choice John.

The idea is for you to select objectively as possible what you consider to be the top 10 FINEST songs cut by the original BAND. I agree it is hard to discriminate between favourite and finest but in my own twisted logic I just felt that if ever a worthwhile definitive list of THE BAND'S finest ever tracks could be done then a bunch of arguably the group's most ardent ever fans stand a better chance of doing it than anyone!!

Your top choice gets 10 points. Your bottom choice gets 1 point. And so on....

The best way I can convey what I mean is my own selection. My all time favourite band track is "We Can Talk About It Now". However it only makes fourth place in my objective list of what I think to be their best with King Harvest in my own humble opinion representing the group's zenith in song creation.

It possibly seems over pedantic and too close to call so I'm not overly fussed when folks find it too fiddly to make the distinction between favourite and best.

just delighted you're giving it a go. :-0)

The way it's turned out so far is very revealing - to me at least - and at the moment the top four are running mightily close so you might just change the final running order John.

:-0)

Perhaps it might even jolt DP and Adam and Jeff and PSB and Calvin into some action too - though then again maybe the moon is made of Caerphilly cheese!!!

BTW - if you're feeling so disposed and can fit in the time I also requested a similar thing but this time your top 30 FAVOURITE all time songs. No rush on that one as I haven't even started to assimilate all the other selections - but your selections would be really intersting John when you consider the enormous range you've been privvy to.


Entered at Sat Aug 20 22:31:27 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Band's Best Tracks

Sorry Al. I missed the thread. You want what we think are The Band's best tracks? How many and do they have to be in order? The order thing would be almost impossible. It's 4:30 p.m. here and we have to go out this evening. Can post them tomorrow morning Eastern Time. Of course the tracks would have to be of personal taste.


Entered at Sat Aug 20 17:02:33 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Small Town Talk - Rick Danko

Good job Carmen.....c'mon lets go down town! Here's a great Rick Danko memory.

Been working my ass off in this good weather. Had to strip and sand the entire forward deck of the "Rockin Chair". The former owners left the teak in a bad condition. Disrespectful to a ship like this. Soon she look proud again like she should. Got a fella doing the name for me in gold leaf, to put on the transome and side boards.

Later gang................


Entered at Sat Aug 20 16:56:33 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Small Town Talk - Rick Danko

Good job Carmmen........c'mon lets go down town. Here's a Rick Danko memory, 1977.

Been working my ass off in this nice weather. Had to strip and sand the entire forward deck on the "Rockin Chair". The former owners left the teak in a bad condition. Disrespectful to a ship like this. Soon she'll look proud again like she should. Have a fella doing the name in gold leaf for me to put on the transome and side boards.

Later gang............


Entered at Sat Aug 20 08:30:59 CEST 2011 from (76.98.218.136)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: pa

Subject: Resurrected classic honors swamp pop pioneer Bobby Charles

Found this info on USA Today

Resurrected classic honors swamp pop pioneer Bobby Charles There's probably no better introduction to the enduring regional musical style known as swamp pop than Louisiana songwriter Bobby Charles' self-titled debut album. Though it made little noise on the charts in 1972, Rhino Homemade is bringing the hard-to-find classic to the attention of a new generation of listeners with this week's release of a deluxe version ($50 at rhino.com). For more than a decade in the late 1950s and 1960s, Charles made other artists famous by writing hits such as See You Later Alligator for Bill Haley and Walking to New Orleans for Fats Domino. He found his own voice — an extremely laid-back, soft, bluesy Cajun voice — in 1971 when he relocated to Woodstock, N.Y., and recorded his debut with members of The Band, Dr. John, Ben Keith, David Sanborn and Amos Garrett. The Rhino set includes a remastered version of the original album, whose 10 gems included Tennessee Blues, Small Town Talk and Grow Too Old; tracks recorded during the 1971 sessions and over the next three years in Woodstock; a 30-minute interview Charles did with Barry Hansen (Dr. Demento) in 1972; and a thoughtful new essay by music writer Brian Barr. Charles returned to Louisiana soon after the album's release, wrote and recorded sporadically and lived a mostly reclusive life until his death in January 2010 at age 71.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 23:02:07 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Agreed Pat. Thanks so much once again for posting. It was truly mind-blowing. By the way, if you are a Dime member - today I posted a torrent of The Band at Syria Mosque, Nov. 1 1970. A line recording. Amazing stuff.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 22:01:40 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

And Levon and his 13-piece band have been booked as one of the headliners (with Buddy Guy and Taj Mahal, it seems) at an upcoming festival in Fredericton, New Brunswick in mid-September. See link for more info and the video of Levon and friends at the Ryman.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 21:49:18 CEST 2011 from (63.88.115.195)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Levon will be closing out the Phila Folk Festival.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 19:44:07 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: In a pickle

Ha ha - well spotted Pete

Looks like I was a tad pickled when I posted that one anyway. I changed it to bacon slicer as the expression "you can either do this right or end up big cheese on the bacon slicer" was a favoured put down of my very first boss, a phrase I grew to love, despite it always being aimed at my own shortcomings.

:-0)


Entered at Fri Aug 19 18:36:06 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the last of the blacksmiths

Peter V / Al E: As Robbie wrote, and Richard sang, How're you gonna replace human hands?


Entered at Fri Aug 19 17:52:13 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.124)

Posted by:

Pat B

Adam, sorry I missed you. I agree, that was certainly one of the most impactful viewing of TLW I've ever enjoyed. When you hear it through a top rung club PA with BlueRay, wow. Extraordinary. And I will say anyone who says they weren't having the time of their lives on stage that night if full of it. The looks on the performers' faces are priceless.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 17:39:19 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Mrs Hand & Her Five Lovely Daughters

Al, I suspect the pickle factory story emanates from an era when mechanization was making its first brutal impact. Note how our fears of castration are heightened by a mechanical device, then the relief when we find it’s all done by hand. Or possibly it’s a far newer tale, a rejection of the cold embrace of machines that dominate every aspect of our existence and a return to the human world of using your hands.

Or maybe it's merely a dirty joke.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 16:11:27 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: And on a far lighter vein

I'm going to be sticking up the results of the Band's finest songs over the weekend.

One final opportunity for the likes of DP, Calvin, JH, JD and Jeff to let us know what they consider to be their finest ever tracks.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 15:55:46 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: And an even more serious vein

A couple had been married for 50 years.

They were sitting at the breakfast table one morning when the wife says, 'Just think, fifty years ago we were sitting here at this breakfast table together.'

'I know,' the old man said. 'We were probably sitting here naked as jaybirds...'

'Hmm, yeah,' Granny sniggered, eyeing up her hubby. 'Why don't we relive some old times.'

Where upon, the two of them stripped to the buff and sat down at the table.

'You know, honey,' the little old lady breathlessly replied, 'My nipples are as hot for you today as they were fifty years ago.'

'I'm not surprised,' replied Gramps. 'One's in your coffee and the other's in your porridge'


Entered at Fri Aug 19 15:54:16 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Happy b'day, Tony LoBue!


Entered at Fri Aug 19 15:48:54 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: In a far more serious vein

Bill worked in a pickle factory.

He had been employed there for a number of years when he came home one day to confess to his wife that he had a terrible compulsion.

He had an almost uncontrollable urge to stick his penis into the bacon slicer.

His wife was understandably alarmed and promptly suggested that he should see a sex therapist to talk about it.

Bill, however, said he would be far too embarrassed. Besides, he vowed defiantly "I'll overcome this compulsion on my own."

One day a few weeks later, Bill came home and his wife could see at once that something was seriously wrong.

'What's wrong, Bill?' she asked.

'Well, do you remember that I told you how I had this tremendous urge to put my penis into the bacon slicer?'

'Oh, Bill, you didn't' his wife exclaimed, turning white as a sheet.

'Yes, I'm afraid I did.' Bill replied.

'Oh my God, Bill, what happened?'

'I got fired.'

'No, Bill. I mean, what happened with the pickle slicer?'

'Oh...she got fired too.'


Entered at Fri Aug 19 15:21:29 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Steve Cropper

Among those musicians playing on the new Steve Cropper disc (which is a must; are the following: David Hood (bass), Spooner Oldham (piano/electric piano, organ), Steve Ferrone (drums), Steve Jordan (drums, percussion, Jon Tiven (Wilson Pickett) on sax.

I ordered it on iTunes and can't stop playing it. Lots of guest stars; but young 20 year old Dylan Leblanc is outstanding. Oh yes....anytime Dan Penn sings....I listen.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 15:20:15 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Under National Service (conscription) the British Army became experts at useless jobs, but at least cutting the lawn with scissors or whitewashing the coal didn't get in anyone else's way.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 14:59:46 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: unfolding as it should

Peter V: what you're experiencing is the success of capitalism. We've learned to exploit the (mostly non-renewable) resources available to us, and to compete by driving costs (mostly wages) out of production, all so well that we sustain (for the time being) large populations of the un- and under-employed. Just another headache that the rapacious cabal of evil multinationals has foisted on the commons. The make-work programs are run by petty bureaucrats, so it's natural, if unfortunate, that the 'work' they make tends to be what they know (i.e. more petty bureaucracy).

It's better when people have useful work, but useless work is better than no work. With no work, you get mobs of yobs.

So what you've got is hell, mitigated. Go placidly amid the noise and haste.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 14:37:34 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Woodstock 79 Reunion on Wolfgangs Vault.

Ricks entire set is now posted from this 79 show. (actually, the entire concert is up)


Entered at Fri Aug 19 13:41:25 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: World Gone wrong

Mrs V wants to sell some vintage children's books on a stall in a local craft market. First we are told we need a Public liability insurance certificate (£49) then you have to complete a SIX page "Risk Assessment form" ticking forty odd boxes (Flammable materials, risk of infection) and explain how you're dealing with them. Well, books are flammable, and if you get a paper cut, who knows, it could become infected. There's a whole department at the local authority dealing with these forms.

A friend who is a teacher was pinning a notice on the board in the classroom, standing on a twelve inch library stool, designed for reaching up. She was told she wasn't allowed to do it because she didn't have a Health & Safety Ladder Training certification.

This is an industry of people doing absolutely useless jobs on public money.I'm reminded of the spaceship full of several thousand hairdressers in A HitchHikers Guide who'd been selected to send off into infinity because they were so useful.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 10:50:18 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Just got my "Content Verification Program" number from YouTube. I submitted three times. The one they've accepted is dated 20 May. Three months. There's no question that they knowingly and wilfully break copyright.


Entered at Fri Aug 19 05:38:14 CEST 2011 from (68.171.231.80)

Posted by:

Bill M

NWCoaster: That sounds about right, though my better half will stray onto my turf from time to time. Fortunately I have the Band to myself.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 23:41:47 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Pat - Thanks for posting about TLW at Fitzgerald's last night. I attended, but I missed some of the pre-show talk. I was going to say hi after the show but after we had payed our tab, I think you had left. But anyway, it was an amazing presentation! The Blu Ray was stunning, and the sound was so amazing. Thanks!


Entered at Thu Aug 18 21:50:07 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike H.

Web: My link

Another stage collapse (this one in Belgium due to heavy rainfall)? There have been 4-5 in the past mth.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 20:18:51 CEST 2011 from (166.129.249.104)

Posted by:

JQ

Web: My link

Subject: Nick Lowe

Here's a brief interview, includes a Band mention


Entered at Thu Aug 18 18:15:47 CEST 2011 from (90.239.106.255)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Suffragettes

I don't know how it is in Norbert's family but this is how we have it:

_I_ decide how we should handle _IMPORTANT_ matters like what we should think about President Obama's plans to stabilize the US budget or whether Israel should leave the occupied territory in Middle East or not. My spouse will decide over all the ridiculours matters like what we our doing with our household money or when we will visit mother-in-law or where we are going to spend our holidays.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 18:13:29 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.124)

Posted by:

Pat B

With these high end editing systems like ProTools, you can choose any number of bit rate/sample rate combos--one system goes up to 192 Khz which sounds amazing. It gets dumbed down to play on CD players but it sounds better than something recorded 16/44.1.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 17:39:26 CEST 2011 from (90.239.106.255)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: 1.) GB Suffragettes by Norbert 2.) Genealogy in the internet

1.) ... and not to forget Mrs. (sorry) Ms. Rosalind Richardson And The Derivates

2.) By all means Mrs. Viney and gbers should search their roots. What I want to say is that INTERNET-CRIMINALS are publishing false biographies in the internet. They choose people with acceptable credit history and create - mostly automatically - false biographies with several generations for trying to get credits in the names of these people. I'd suppose you knew that already.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 17:11:08 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, Pat … what confuses me is that my hi-fi doesn't have a DVD player connected. I have separate speakers for the 5.1 surround system, but I assume I can only play it through that.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 17:08:32 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.124)

Posted by:

Pat B

24/96 means it is a 24 bit (24 0's and 1's) recording with a recording rate of 96 kilohertz (96,000 samples per second). A typical CD player is 16 bit/44.1 khz so the 24/96 provides better defined sound--close to 50% more discreet.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 16:47:46 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: John Hiatt

Dirty Jeans & Mudslide Hymns just arrived. The second disc is a "Making of DVD" plus a 24/96 Audoio Mix. What does that mean exactly? It's not "DVD Audio" nor "SACD" and being a DVD presumably will only play in a DVD player. Any answers, David P?


Entered at Thu Aug 18 14:46:38 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Ollabelle has a new one

_Neon Blue Bird_


Entered at Thu Aug 18 10:05:29 CEST 2011 from (158.39.165.128)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: GB

Norb,

Paolo Demaria is a fine example of an Italian male (see link above). He posted the fifth entry after the GB opened in March 1996. The first female to leave her bits and bytes (uhm...) in our fine forum was Ms Klinger from NM. Her first and the GB's ninth entry was timestamped Thu Mar 21 01:06:14 MET 1996.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 08:12:15 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Calvin … yes, Peggy was in her mid-forties. I was 29. All my Elvis records were in the 1961-64 range plus the Memphis album.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 08:06:12 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

ELVIS: I was teaching English, and every day the students used to get two or three extra “lectures” (so-called) on English language life, literature and institutions etc. These were often films, acting out little dialogues and dramas, songs, as well as information. I used to do “Bob Dylan” over three weeks, with Simon & Garfunkel on week four (easily more popular) one month, then The Beatles the next month. It was a twelve week programme which then repeated. I went into the adminstration secretary’s office, and Peggy told me the news and said, ‘I think you should switch to Elvis the day after tomorrow instead of that awful Bob Dylan stuff.’ I said I didn’t have enough Elvis records, and she brought me in her lovingly assembled case of LPs the next day, and that evening I put the extracts together. Then it stayed on the programme for the next two years I was there. It was much more popular than Bob with our international audience, but not as popular as Simon & Garfunkel. I bought more LPs myself and refined it.

JFK I remember very clearly. My friend had called for our regular visit to the local library a few hundred yards away which sounds very assiduous, though we used to borrow lots of historical fiction of the “bodice ripper” variety as well. We heard it on TV, then went to the library. No one knew. We blurted it out. No one believed it. We repeated it. Adults started crying which really shocked us.

John Lennon - I still feel a twinge of guilt there. I heard it on the radio when I woke up. I had just started writing full time, and I had an office with my writing partner, Bernie. It was in the same building as a condom wholesaler, and we got it cheap because they hadn't been able to rent it because people were embarrassed about walking in under their sign. We rarely had visitors and just put our hoods up to sidle in past the sign. We were talking about John. In one of our textbooks, there was an article about Elvis with a collage of photos. We were working on the next level. One of us (and I fear it was me) said, 'Quick! Let's get over to the newsagent and buy a copy of every paper. The headlines will make a great collage.' And we did. I still have the set of papers somewhere.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 07:45:55 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: HALIFAX

Sorry, I meant Halifax. I was word associating with Joe. Also because Halifax is a major "building society" here, and I see the word every day on the High St, I may have bad word associations!


Entered at Thu Aug 18 03:58:26 CEST 2011 from (72.196.147.147)

Posted by:

Calvin

Elvis dying was certainly a Kennedy moment Pat. I myself was a teenager wandering around a KMart (for those not familiar) A lower end, but not at the point cheap as it is now, department store. But in my somewhat small town it was the only place we could quickly get to that sold albums.

All of a sudden we were in danger of being trampled by a bunch of women in the 40ish range (Odd how that seemed old then) who were filling shopping carts full of Elvis Albums. I knew what happened without even hearing about it.


Entered at Thu Aug 18 01:38:21 CEST 2011 from (68.171.231.80)

Posted by:

Bill M

Re Canadian immigration policies, immigration has always been a federal matter, and no province would be able to keep wrong-language speakers out, though they do have the power to make such people feel unwelcome (via restrictions on education, access to government services, signage, etc.)

Peter V: Montreal was the last stop for ocean-going vessels until thw St Lawrence Seaway was completed in the 1950's, I believe. Also,few not wanting to stay in Newfoundland would have gotten off in St John's, as the onward trip would have meant a tedious land journey just to get to another boat-ride that stll left you whwee you probably didn't want to be. Better to go to Halifx, Quebec City or Montreal and then get to Hamilton or wherever by train


Entered at Thu Aug 18 01:28:47 CEST 2011 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: ports

Peter, I'd be remiss if I neglected to mention that in 1911 St. Johns was the port of entry to another country.

Playing Cockburn's 'In The Falling Dark' (remastered with bonus tracks). For some reason Itunes thinks it's a Martha & the Vandellas recording.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 22:27:44 CEST 2011 from (91.42.225.249)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: (Germany)
Web: My link

Subject: GB Suffragettes

August 26, 1920, after a long battle the vote for women was won in the USA. Amazing that it still took till Mar 20 1996! before the first woman EVER did make a post in this very GB (It was courageous Paolo Demaria from Italy, on a Wednesday 18:12:21 MET)

Another lead that even Americana, including our Band, wasn’t the progressive trailblazer on all affairs, even reflecting the light of those days.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 22:15:16 CEST 2011 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Thanks for the link Kevin. I did indeed, hear the news earlier. He was a forgotten piece of nostalgia for me. I listened to him occasionally but my father was a diehard fan of his.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 20:39:56 CEST 2011 from (204.169.161.1)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Location: South of here

Subject: Steve Cropper, "Dedicated"

I only heard the samples at Amazon, but oooh my soul, Luuuuuucinda sings lead on "Dedicated to the One I Love."


Entered at Wed Aug 17 20:39:24 CEST 2011 from (74.198.165.53)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Montreal Radio Great dies

..........driving in Montreal yesterday and heard the sad news of Ted Tevan's passing.....a one of a kind radio personality.......See above link...........perhaps of interest to Landmark........dig the comments from people at bottom of piece.....In an industry filled with mostly forgetable people, he was certainly not one of those.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 20:19:53 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Thanks for info

We've got quite fascinated with this ancestor. She was someone who erased her personal history, and as she's the only one of her name in the British Census, is easy to trace. In 1891 it says she was born in Wiltshire in 1884. By 1901, she was working in a school in Middlesex as a servant, and claimed to have been "born at sea". Ten years later finds her back in Middlesex in April 1911, claiming to have been born in Hamilton, Ontario. In the meantime she'd had two children, including Mrs V's grandma. She'd run off. In September 1911 she took ship from Bristol to Montreal. Family rumour says she had a man friend in "America". We're guessing from her fib on the census, that she was on her way to Hamilton. I had assumed St John's was the normal port of entry, but Montreal seems more convenient. We doubt that she would have been able to speak French.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 19:44:29 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

"Stage Fright" released 41-yrs ago today (1-yr after THE BAND helped closeout Woodstock '69).


Entered at Wed Aug 17 14:25:25 CEST 2011 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Then again, I do recall hearing that the un-official phrase during the late 30's, early 40's was "none is too many".



Entered at Wed Aug 17 13:27:32 CEST 2011 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

The quota issue, I believe, may have been in effect during the late 19th/beginning of 20th centuries. I also believe that it was unofficially official (or vice-versa). Like I said, I may be remembering this all incorrectly. It's been a while since I studied this stuff : )


Entered at Wed Aug 17 12:17:40 CEST 2011 from (173.178.214.140)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

My father arrived in Montreal in 1953. My mother and sister followed in 1954, arriving in Quebec City, then taking the train to Montreal. There were no quotas. An uncle, who had come earlier, recommended the city, and they settled here, where they remain to this day.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 09:29:59 CEST 2011 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: From what I remember of my Canadian history...

I beleive that immigration into Quebec for non-Francophones was limited in numbers as wished for by the provincial government of Quebec. But don't quote me on this because the course I took at university was in 1986 and I don't have my notes anymore.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 09:26:36 CEST 2011 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Great grannies on the lam

Peter: from what I know (son & grandson of immigrants) the two ports of arrival in eastern Canada were Montreal or Halifax, in Nova Scotia (my maternal grandfather and father landed in Halifax), then onto wherever by rail. My grandfather was one of those people who went to work for a year, return to the Old Country and repeat a few times until deciding to settle permanently in Canada. Having asked when I was young , he told me every time he came to Canada it was either Halifax or New York.

Another way to get to Canada was to land in New York (Ellis Island) and then take a train ride into Canada, like my grandmother did in the 1920s. I think my greatgrandfather (grandma's father), when he decided to runaway from his familial obbligations in Italy, landed in Ellis Island before going onto California.

You can look up the names of the arrivals at Ellis Island on it's website (see the link). Several years ago I found my grandmother's name in the Ellis Island archive.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 08:58:02 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Steve Cropper

Haven't heard the album … I'm seeing "Steve Cropper & The Animals" on September 1st. They've been touring the UK. The Animals have just one original member, and that's neither Burdon nor Price.

Mrs V is suddenly interested in genealogy. A quick question. Her great-grandmother left her husband and kids and fled to Canada in 1911. Though she was definitely born in Wiltshire, she'd put "born Hamilton, Ontario" in the census a few months earlier. Apparently a lot of people lied. There was no cross-checking, and she'd left her family and gone to London. She took ship to Montreal, destination as "Quebec." Our guess is that she was on her way to Hamilton for whatever reason. Did Transatlantic ships go beyond Montreal then? Or was that the main port of arrival? And was the Canadian govt encouraging English speakers into Quebec in 1911? (Just as they were encouraging Protestants into Ireland a few years earlier).


Entered at Wed Aug 17 05:15:36 CEST 2011 from (99.115.147.236)

Posted by:

Pat B

adam, I doubt it but you could call there to make sure. If you go, say hi.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 04:37:41 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Pat B - any idea if there's a drink minimum at TLW tomorrow night?


Entered at Wed Aug 17 04:34:17 CEST 2011 from (74.118.207.167)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: steve cropper's "dedicated" album

has anyone had a chance to check out the new album by steve cropper called "dedicated," his celebration of the Royales, with help from steve winwood, mavis staples, bb king, lucinda williams, etc.? what amazing contributions mr. cropper has made to the world of music. haven't heard the album yet myself; would love to hear what guestbook folks think of it.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 01:08:17 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Kevin G., I know the area well. I lived in Mountaintop, PA from '82 to '88 and loved my time there. Great memories.


Entered at Wed Aug 17 00:41:11 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.147)

Posted by:

Pat B

Don't most people of a certain age know reflexively that Elvis died on a hot summer day? I'm not that big of an Elvis fan but I certainly recall what I was doing when I heard he died. Isn't that a Kennedy moment?


Entered at Tue Aug 16 23:12:43 CEST 2011 from (68.171.231.80)

Posted by:

Bil M

Subject: I'll show you innocent, buster

Sadavid: Assuming that the 'one' that the moon struck was o'clock in the morning, heading home then after leaving for a swim with my pal Johnny and my sweetheart Julie would not have been seen be the parental units as particularly innocent. Snake / lake; belt / felt.


Entered at Tue Aug 16 22:56:44 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland
Web: My link

Subject: Scottish version of TNTDODD

For everybody but especially Pat B my second favourite version of TNTDODD.

Like Richard, too soon gone.


Entered at Tue Aug 16 22:35:37 CEST 2011 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin G. in NE PA

bob w. - I'm just outside of Wilkes-Barre, near Dallas PA. Small town called Shavertown....


Entered at Tue Aug 16 20:04:27 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Eugene Smith / Bill M

Bill....Eugene Sunday afternoon at Castros pub on Queen St E in the Beaches. 4-7

And now back to regular programing.


Entered at Tue Aug 16 19:43:50 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike & Kim

Web: My link

Levon & Richard.


Entered at Tue Aug 16 19:10:00 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.147)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Along with uber-writer Dave Hoekstra, I'm going to be hosting a showing of The Last Waltz at Fitzgerald's in Berwyn, IL tomorrow night. HD with full club sound, you will be able to play the movie loud.


Entered at Tue Aug 16 16:21:49 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: . . . and the rest escaped with minor injuries . . . .

Le Noise's version of "The Moon Struck One" also accessible at [My link]; track 34. Should be archived there, I'd say forever, but with an artsophobic Tory gov't, one never knows.
Raine Maida did a nice job on this tune on _Garth Hudson Presents A Canadian Celebration of The Band_. The lyrics aren't really so bad, we have to recognize that the word choices are supposed to evoke the innocence of childhood . . . .


Entered at Tue Aug 16 15:02:04 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Stage Fright

John D: Yes, it's a new vinyl release from MoFi, following their excellent SACD version. It's also the first Band vinyl reissue from MoFi since their '80s version of MFBP.


Entered at Tue Aug 16 14:35:59 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Stage Fright Vinyl / David Powell

David. Got an email today; from Amazon.com offering me Stage Fright (Vinyl) from Mobile Fidelity for $32.80 Canadian. Is this a brand new vinyl reissue; or has this been done before?


Entered at Tue Aug 16 13:57:42 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Thanks, Kevin G.....and welcome back. Where are you located in upstate PA?


Entered at Tue Aug 16 09:49:49 CEST 2011 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Web: My link

Subject: Tokai catalog 1984

Don't know if you've seen this before - it caught me by suprise. Found this catalog that has my 84 Strat copy in it - and look who was on the cover.


Entered at Tue Aug 16 09:44:47 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Moon Struck One

I never thought I'd say "I really enjoyed listening to The Moon Struck One" but now I'm going to. Daniel Lanois's version is beautifully done, and while the lyrics are still cringeworthy, they work somewhat better in Lanois's voice. Maybe it's just what he's put round it.


Entered at Tue Aug 16 01:49:44 CEST 2011 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin G. in NE PA

Web: My link

Subject: The Moon Struck One

I have not posted in awhile (probably years) but wanted to share a cover of The Moon Struck One by the great Daniel Lanois. A buddy gave me this and it is apparently from a Toronto Radio broadcast from April of this year. It's all I know. Nice intro. The vocals kick in about 3:30 into the track. I can keep it online for a couple of days (unless Jan can grab it for the site).


Entered at Mon Aug 15 23:50:54 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Adam

Thanks, I think the album is really good... and you feel the artists revere and love Fats.

Many artists that we discuss on thr GB are featured on the album, but in the past I wrote on the GB that I feel that Robbie is trying to do something different. I still feel this about Robbie.

I've been playing Clairvoyant tonight and think it is great.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 23:35:39 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Dunc - That track is fantastic! I included it on my compilation, as it seems like the only solo recording Robbie's made for a special project like that. And it makes a great bookend to the tracklist - starting with The Fat Man and ending with the recent Going To The River.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 18:31:48 CEST 2011 from (109.156.152.210)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: With my honey and my money

Adam:I really enjoy Robbie with Galactic doing 'Going to the River' on the excellent 'Goin' Home' a tribute to Fats Domino album. Download it. Great track.

So John D , maybe I would have Robbie sing on Moondog Matinee, knowing how much he likes the Fat Man. I don't think the others would mind.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 18:29:11 CEST 2011 from (90.239.120.58)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: "...I'm a man...Yes I am..." Muddy Waters on a serious side

I happened to see Muddy Waters play just one month before his last public performance with Eric Clapton's band at a Clapton concert in Florida in autumn of 1982. - He could not stay up, he sat on a simple wooden chair, the surroundings were River Delta, he wore a light-brown suite, a tie, a white shirt, the light-brown sun was on his face. I am ashamed to say but I had to turn around. I was only a young man. I felt the Death nearby.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 17:41:36 CEST 2011 from (90.239.120.58)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster's Dog

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: The Bloody Internet Blues

...it goes something like this:

(C7) Entered at Mon Aug 15 09:34:04 CEST ....mmmm I'm a man yes I am...2011 from (82.69.47.175) Posted by: Peter V Yes, that bounces off my old website. It should have worked, I'll have to check ....mmmm I'm a man yes I am... it. Try peter at (my surname).uk.com

(F7) Entered at Mon Aug 15 09:26:43 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67) Posted by: Adam

(C7) (C7) Peter - The email address I sent to was "The Band AT [your name].co.uk", but I got it ....mmmm I'm a man yes I am...back saying it failed to send. What address should I use? Entered at Mon Aug 15 09:19:57 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67) Posted by: Adam

(G7) Thanks a ton Peter, I'll be sure ....mmmm I'm a man yes I am...to email you on that!

(F7)Oh Lord, will I never gonna lose

(C) This reprimand Internet thunderbolt incorrigible expeditious malpractice fobbish internet BLUUUUEEEESSSS... (...fading out fast. in Woodstock...)


Entered at Mon Aug 15 17:10:01 CEST 2011 from (74.82.68.17)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Fat Man

In the rich tradition of New Orleans music, "The Fat Man" is a sanitized variation of "Junker Blues".


Entered at Mon Aug 15 15:07:09 CEST 2011 from (99.247.223.210)

Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: giant of rock and roll

aint that just like a woman, is recorded scorchingly well on ronnie hawkin's "giant of rock and roll", with fred carter, if my memory serves me well, doing axe honours. another cut i like is, dream lover. last year i gave my record collection to my oldest son, to sell, keeping my band lp's as well as other near and dear ones, but sadly, no reason to cry and giant of rock and roll got lost in the shuffle. the records were sold sold to fred eaglesmith's hobo cafe in port dover, and may or may not still be available for sale. back home now, had a riot, pardon the pun, in london and only hope that king harvest has surely come


Entered at Mon Aug 15 09:34:04 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, that bounces off my old website. It should have worked, I'll have to check it. Try peter at (my surname).uk.com


Entered at Mon Aug 15 09:26:43 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Peter - The email address I sent to was "The Band AT [your name].co.uk", but I got it back saying it failed to send. What address should I use?


Entered at Mon Aug 15 09:19:57 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Thanks a ton Peter, I'll be sure to email you on that!

Just watched 'Carny' for the first time. I was expecting a train-wreck, but it was a decent watch. I thought Robbie was actually pretty great, though he wasn't playing a role all that different from how he appeared in TLW.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 09:08:14 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sorry, on iPad so only one page visible. I forgot you mentioned Scrooged. But the Christmas Must Be Tonight on the charity record is different to Scrooged.A remix.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 09:05:11 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Let the Good Times Roll is with Cassandra Wilson, definitely yes. Don't forget Robbie's versions of Christmas Must Be Tonight from Scrooged. Out of the Blue appears on Any Given Sunday OST.

This is a fun exercise and was done by a Gber several years ago and some have copies. There's also a companion volume on all those CD singles with various mixes. Why don't you email me? Address on any article.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 07:05:04 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Robbie soundtrack songs (lead vocals)

Right now I'm compiling all of Robbie's soundtrack songs that feature his lead vocals. I've got: The Fat Man (Carny), Between Trains (KOC), Christmas Must Be Tonight (Scrooged), Carry Me (Any Given Sunday), Shine Your Light (Ladder 49). I'm missing the Jimmy Hollywood soundtrack but I plan on including that, as his version of Let The Good Times Roll sounds promising. Can anyone help me out and tell me if I'm forgetting anything?

I've been checking his discography here extensively. Right not I'm excluding soundtrack songs he only produced/played on (Willie Dixon 'Don't Tell Me Nothin'" for example), or instrumental-only music. Of course, I'll have to gather those next, as the Aaron Neville version of "Crazy Love" is sublime.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 02:31:41 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Both "It Keeps Raining" and "Walking To New Orleans" were written by Bobby Charles, though Dave Bartholomew and other writers were often tagged onto the credit (as was the standard back then, unfair as it may be).


Entered at Mon Aug 15 01:34:45 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Link to Ronnie Hawkins. Both he and Fats recorded Ain't That Just Like A Woman.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 01:17:50 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: It keeps raining

The Fats Domino song I like best is It Keeps Rainng. It was a UK no 2 hit in 1993 when Bitty McClean covered it and people loved the 'reggaefied' version of the song. But when you go back to the 1961 original, it's not actually very different in feel.

Walking to New Orleans would have suited The Band too.


Entered at Mon Aug 15 00:11:18 CEST 2011 from (41.97.243.206)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Ilkka : now I take the risk to say something stupid, I am entitled to some anyway. To be more specific, I bet the solar photovoltaic panels, i have some reason to believe it's bound to be the investment of the millenium in the region


Entered at Sun Aug 14 23:31:41 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Thanks for being a good sport Peter


Entered at Sun Aug 14 23:09:44 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

Surprisingly I found the recording to stream online, and it's pretty good.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 22:44:01 CEST 2011 from (75.34.47.67)

Posted by:

Adam

So is Robbie's a good enough version to track down the LP?


Entered at Sun Aug 14 21:40:13 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

OK, John D. If they're going to go back and put The Fat Man on a hypothetically revised Moondog Matinee (against all my good advice on doing Sick 'n' Tired instead), I'll vote for Rick. But I usually do vote for Rick. Anyway, Levon would be no more convincing with the lyric than he was with Free Your Mind. Some songs, you're just not physically aligned to the lyric. Not that any of them were in 1973.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 20:21:57 CEST 2011 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Hargis and Garth

PETER- If Billy were here I'm sure he would thank you for those kind words. He's somewhere over in North Africa selling shares of Skybus Airlines to all the well- to- do governments. I haven't seen him in months. I'm sure your life savings is in good hands, though.

Speaking of Garth, he's been sitting in with the Bush Brothers in there last 3 concerts and last night he was probably with them again, although I can't say I saw him because we left early. I guess I'm getting old: once it gets close to midnight I feel like getting home and just soaking in the whirlpool. Too many broken bones in the folly of my youth.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 17:36:45 CEST 2011 from (173.178.214.140)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Well John D. put me down for Garth doing the lead. Would be more entertaining than "The Third Man Theme" and he does have a great growl. Lest we forget the immortal words: "Airplane landing on crickets".


Entered at Sun Aug 14 15:44:05 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Fat Man

Thank you Bill M. for chiming in. The Fat Man was Domino's debut single 1949, the B-Side being "Detroit City Blues." Imperial advertising claimed it sold 10,000 copies in New Orleans in 10 days, and the record became a national hit in late January 1950.

Peter, my question was that if it had appeared on Moondog Matinee; who would have sung lead? NOT..."it wouldn't have been a candidate at all." It was meant to be a fun question...not a debate. While I respect your point of view for the most part, everything isn't musicology 101. I thought it to be a "fun" question. I just had to address that.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 15:42:46 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

NorthWest Coaster … I suggest you contact The Reverend Billy Sol Hargis who will be able to suggest investment opportunities in The Maghreb. As a religious gentleman, Billy is entirely trustworthy. He told me so himself. He's currently working on a portfolio for me. The chain of shops selling snowshoes and ski suits should prove an excellent investment (Hargis on Ice).The crucifix manufacturer is another strong one, and the hot water bottle and electric blanket investments should turn up trumps. Lars will contact him for you.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 12:00:31 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Howlin' Wolf

I found an original copy of the 1969 "The Howlin’ Wolf Album" yesterday (second hand for £3.99). This is the one with a black cover bearing the words “This is Howlin’ Wolf’s new album. He doesn’t like it. He didn’t like his electric guitar at first either.’

I looked it up on Google. It was the same bunch of musicians as Electric Mud. Wolf said it was ‘dog shit’ and objected to the publicity as he had had one of the first all electric bands in Memphis.

According to guitarist Pete Cosey, during the recording sessions, Howlin' Wolf "looked at me and he said 'Why don't you take them wah-wahs and all that other shit and go throw it off in the lake — on your way to the barber shop?'

If I'd been Pete Cosey, I would have done!


Entered at Sun Aug 14 11:28:00 CEST 2011 from (90.239.102.231)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Thanks to Empty Now :-)

No hard feelings! Already for four years ago (fortunately just before 2008 financial crash so I am pressing to 1.5 per cent once again!) I saw that the part of the world where you have your roots will be the future. The average age in Maghreb is between 35 and 40 and the young people down there are as clever as our friend Empty Now. Dear gbers, this is my gift to you: invest in Maghreb. It takes time but it is bound to happen. - Remember you read this first in The Band gb.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 11:10:59 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Peter M, count how many LPs there are in 12 inches and multiply by thirty, assuming the number of doubles per foot is a constant:-)

I keep meaning to put Carny on CD, even if I can't see myself sitting down to listen to Side 2 very often. Maybe today.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 10:26:23 CEST 2011 from (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: Carny soundtrack

Somewhere in the 30-some feet of record albums I have (easier to measure than to count), I believe I have the Carny soundtrack on LP. Might even have copied it to cassette sometime after I got it. Can't promise it will be soon, but I will look for it. Maybe I can mail it to someone to copy it onto CD.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 07:34:25 CEST 2011 from (68.171.231.80)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: I'd've given "The Fat Man" to Rick.

Norbert: A man and a chainsaw is one of the world's most dangerous combinations.

Facebook: 'Tutor' seems a bit much. Roy and Robbie spent two weeks onstage together, gunning for the job as Fed Carter's replacement. Hawkins didn't hire Roy.


Entered at Sun Aug 14 03:43:55 CEST 2011 from (72.71.209.213)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Remembering Robbie's "tutor" Roy Buchanan this wkd...


Entered at Sat Aug 13 23:51:14 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Fat Man

As a song, I wouldn't rate it among Fats Domino's Top Ten, nor even Top Twenty. Robbie gets a nice laid-back feel to it. Levon could have done it well too, but there's something about Robbie's relaxed approach that I like. It's not a candidate for Moondog Matinee, but if they'd wanted a Fats Domino addition , Rick doing Sick 'n' Tired would be my choice. Whatever, The Fat Man is not a fantastic song.

The Kathy McCord album is stunning, perhaps the exception being Rainbow Ride, the opening track which tries too hard to leap from folkie vocal to Chicago Transit Authority with an influence from Vanilla Fudge meets It's A beautiful Day. Once you get past that over=produced piece, the original CTI album makes you wonder what other undiscovered greats are out there.


Entered at Sat Aug 13 23:03:37 CEST 2011 from (41.97.236.242)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: don't disturb my Aleppo Pines

in the link above a webpage with everything one needs to know about the mega-project The Eight Bridge of Constantine, aka The Viaduc

pillars are straight above Le Chemin Forestier, so many trees have been already sacrified

as every regular must know, between I and Le Chemin Forestier with his Aleppo Pine trees of unique flavour, it is the great love story of my life


Entered at Sat Aug 13 17:57:34 CEST 2011 from (91.42.230.77)

Posted by:

Norbert

Lars, didn't know Norm had such a small engine .... haha thanks for the laugh.

But you are right I'm looking also for some more power maybe a Stihl MS440, I read in the USA they use a lot of Husky's, don't know. Anyway my little Stihl (only buy the pro machines, they sell cheap shit too) always runs (knock on wood), ok they're expensive but (I bought mine second hand) ....

Here in Germany most use Stihl I guess. ...speak you later, dinner with red wine mmm...

p.s. from now on I leave some extra grammar errors in my posts, just to give them that extra authentically bite.


Entered at Sat Aug 13 17:25:05 CEST 2011 from (91.42.251.14)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Ode on Sheryl Crow

This woman is troubled, brought down, ridiculished, taunted, sneered, snored, mockeried, fiddled, monkied, messed, mucked, muddled and fumbled. But only remember this about Mr. Critic, the one who never actually goes to the battle, yet who afterwards comes out shooting the wounded.

So today I'm here to say; I LOVE SHERYL CROW! .... and I know she's multi talented, talented, conscienced, democrated and good looking (not that it matters, but … I think she reads this GB too)



Entered at Sat Aug 13 17:18:45 CEST 2011 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: the woods
Web: My link

Subject: mid-size chain saws

Norbert-

You should think about upgrading your chain saw. Norm sold me this one and sent it to me by UPS. The UPS driver wears a truss now.


Entered at Sat Aug 13 16:30:34 CEST 2011 from (91.42.228.39)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: kickback

Posting hereby I’ll grant a lot of requests (Lars, All Edge, etc.) concerning my chainsaw passion (I love to cut hard and deep), may I please all, once and for all, so no one have to harass me anymore on this matter.

I use a Stihl MS260 pro chain (carbide tipped) lightweight and rugged, easy start, adjustable automatic bar and chain oiler for an entry-level arborist. I cut with an aggressive full chisel, .325 pitch, RAPID Super Comfort 3 chain RSC3, 3634 (26 RMC3 67) OILOMATIC® saw chain and 16" 3003 008 6813 Ematic™ guide bar combination.

The .325” (8.25mm) pitched chain needs a 3/16” (4,8mm) file with guide for sharpening. Also a 3/12” depth gauge connected to a flat file with two Soft Grip Handles (0000 881 4502) and a tool pouch. Further I always carry a wedge; 10" (Tri-taper).

At the moment I use STIHL HP Ultra 2-Cycle Engine Oil, a fully synthetic 2-cycle engine oil specially suited for high performance chain saws and power tools. Outstanding engine cleaning characteristics, plus “ultra” superior lubricating qualities in comparison to other 2-cycle engine oils. This oil is biodegradable, degrading by 80% in 21 days.

“Always remember when buying any machine, buy from somebody who can service. You will only hurt yourself and your business by buying something at a mart-type store. I'm not saying you can't buy mail order, just make sure they do the service work. If they don't, your warranty isn't worth the paper it's printed on."


Entered at Sat Aug 13 14:16:36 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Fat Man. What if it had appeared on Moondog Matinee?

What if "The Fat Man" had ended up on Moondog Matinee? Who do you think would have done the lead vocal? I think it might have gone to Richard. Levon perhaps?


Entered at Sat Aug 13 09:45:34 CEST 2011 from (75.34.44.197)

Posted by:

Adam

Thanks Peter. What is your opinion of Robbie's version of the song?


Entered at Sat Aug 13 08:26:50 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Carny

MY NOTES:

This 1980 film starred Gary Busey, Jodie Foster and Robbie Robertson. It is available on video. Robbie produced the film and contributed to the story. The soundtrack album credits ‘Music by Robbie Robertson and Alex North’. It is divided into two distinct sides. Side one is called Midway Music and features Robbie on some tracks. Note that he doesn’t appear on all of his own compositions, and that apart from his first solo vocal on Fats Domino’s The Fat Man, the album is instrumental. In the film, the ‘Fat Man’ character does the song, not Robbie. Side two was written by veteran film composer Alex North and is called Themes and Variations. It features a full orchestra plus synthesizers. The tracks on Midway Music are:

Garden of Earthly Delights (Robbie Robertson)

Robbie Robertson - lead guitar / Steve Scaeffer - drums / Chuck Domanico - bass / Gary Herbig, Jerry Peterson - saxes / George Doering - guitar / Randy Kerber - organ

Pagan Knight (Robbie Robertson)

Mac Rebennack - organ / Jerry Peterson - sax / Robbie Robertson - guitar / Jimi Calhoun - bass / John Boudreaux - drums

The Fat Man (Antoine Domino & Dave Bartholomew. Additional lyrics by Robbie Robertson)

Robbie Robertson - guitar & vocal / Gary Busey - drums, vocal harmony / Mac Rebennack - organ / Jimi Calhoun - bass

Freaks’ Lament (Robbie Robertson)

George Doering - guitar / Randy Kerber - organ / Gary Herbig -sax / Chuck Domanico - bass /Steve Schaeffer - drums

Sawdust and G-Strings (Randall Bramlett & David Causey)

Randall Bramlett - sax / Davis Causey - guitar / Ben Brewton- organ / Arch Pearson III - bass / Bill Stewart - drums / Matt Greeley - tambourine

Rained Out (Robbie Robertson)

Jerry Peterson - alto & tenor sax / Randy Kerber, Mac Rebennack - organ / George Doering - guitar / Chuck Domanico - bass /Steve Schaeffer - drums / Dick Nash - trombone / Mike Lang, Alex North - piano


Entered at Sat Aug 13 02:46:05 CEST 2011 from (75.34.44.197)

Posted by:

Adam

David P - how is Robbie's 'Carny' version of The Fat Man? Does it have some worthwhile guitar work? Also, does Dr. John play organ on it (as I read he also plays on the soundtrack)? I'm thinking of compiling a "Robbie Soundtrack Work" compilation, and this would naturally be the first track. I don't know if it's worth tracking down the LP though.


Entered at Sat Aug 13 01:05:02 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Translations

Bob; You are right on both counts. But then that's to be expected, you are a very much more well read man than I. However from living ......too long, I hear the odd thing now and then that sticks.

Tomorrow, hopefully, Susan and I are flying down to Vancouver to bring the ship home. There were a couple of things that I insisted they fix, (they had left inoperable). They better have them done.

Y'all have a good weekend. Count our blessings, and remember. Any day above ground is a good day. Think good warm memories of our soul mates in this BAND and music, that we have too soon lost. I often think of ol' Paul, so "shine on". I wonder what became of "Knockin Lost John" and how he may be fairing.

And remember, "I could just sit around makin' music all day long. Long as I'm makin' music I cain't do nobody no wrong. Who knows, maybe some day.....I'll come up with a song. Make people stop fussin' and fightin' just long enough to get along.........."


Entered at Fri Aug 12 22:46:10 CEST 2011 from (41.97.144.208)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Ilkka / Chercham

Ilkka: Let me first recall that the only right you and everybody else have in partaking The Band GB is TO GET FUN. Don't be angry please (plus the loss of money) – I owed too much to what I have read at its time.

I merely declared that there is one thing I will never regret, it is my internet experience, specially The Band GB.

This experience particularly substituted to some former deep culture a "instant knowledge". This is the concept I theorized the recent years, as the effect of the internet on my abilities. It has an accurate technical meaning, which can be defined as "the solid expert knowledge of a topic at an instant of interest, followed by a complete ignorance, as if the topic in question was never heard about, as soon as it is no more of interest, or as soon as the interest switches to an different topic. The next time it became the center of interest again, the full apprenticeship process starting by its primer elements is necessary to enter the topic"

this is the instant knowledge, the instant in question often being posting time, main cognitive behavior earned on the ground of my internet experience.

------ --------- ------------

I feel indebted toward some worthy The Band regulars as long as I haven't found/linked the trilogy "Goumriet Lebroudj – Ma Ychali – Yahli Aadrouni" performed by Abdelkader Chercham. Just for the reason that I rarely heard so fitted chaining of harmonies.

Chercham [link] is today a top master who embodies the spirit of Chaabi music, he is of an incredible modesty given his position, after a concert last year, he accepted without hesitation to be taken in a photograph with I


Entered at Fri Aug 12 22:04:36 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

I have always understood "dust my broom" to mean starting over, ending a bad relationship, starting fresh.

"Killing floor" as far as I know is a direct reference to that area of the slaughterhouse and is also used as a reference to a dangerous place or situation.

Not sure if these interpretations are right or wrong....or somewhere in between.


Entered at Fri Aug 12 21:28:07 CEST 2011 from (198.228.211.82)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: 2 lame-ass questions

In Delta Blues these two expressions pop up sometimes as lyrics beyond the original song's title and I'm asking what they mean literally or close to literal

Dust My Broom - I've always thought this had to do with poon activity, but literally?

The Killing Floor - I've heard this in reference to a slaughterhouse, but I'm thinking that's not it


Entered at Fri Aug 12 18:32:23 CEST 2011 from (90.239.122.165)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: "A brief googling" by Empty Now

Now I am really mad!!!! - I followed a course in the local University in "How To Manipulate Google" for some years ago. It was purely theoretical and it was held by a Professor in Mathematics. The intention was not to teach us how to hack but to be critical. - Maybe there is no need for Empty Now to read "The Evil Eye" but for me it certainly has been necessary.

Yes, I am _BITTER_ like an old sheep to internet. During the hey-days I invested my money to internet business and the good Lord (or was it the Devil?) made me one of the 1,5 per cent of the welthiest private persons in my country. Still I baked my own bread 'a la campagne' and listened to old vinyl LP's in my flat in Cannes like I always did. Then the IT crash came and I lost my money. I kept to bake my own bread 'a la campagne' and listen to my old vinyl LP's in my cottage in the woods without electricity (only generator) and running water like I always did. Never saw the difference.


Entered at Fri Aug 12 17:22:44 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Tofino??

You better be stopping by!


Entered at Fri Aug 12 16:56:59 CEST 2011 from (90.239.122.165)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: A brief googling???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Empty Now, you must know better than that.


Entered at Fri Aug 12 15:53:35 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Plochmann Lane

Web: My link

Butchie Dener helping us pay tribute to Richie Hayward (Little Feat) one-year later...


Entered at Fri Aug 12 15:50:55 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Big Pink post today.


Entered at Fri Aug 12 15:09:24 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: smell as sweet

Bill M: an interesting roll call there: Virgil, Bozo, Pee Wee . . . and Dink Mobley.
But (as anyone might) you're confusing Jon Voight with Bob Carradine . . . .


Entered at Fri Aug 12 14:55:42 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Fat Man

Adam: Robbie's version of "The Fat Man", with Gary Busey, is available only on the soundtrack LP. The film version of the song is performed by the actor who played the fat man in the carny side-show, backed by Randall Bramblett's band.


Entered at Fri Aug 12 13:37:02 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Bill, thanks for bringing up the two different versions of the Hawkins material. My favourite is still the Canadian version; with Bearfoot backing up Ronnie.


Entered at Fri Aug 12 10:10:23 CEST 2011 from (75.34.44.197)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Robbie's "The Fat Man"

Can anyone comment on Robbie's version of "The Fat Man" from the Carny soundtrack? I read on this site that there is a completely different version used in the actual movie, but is Robbie's version in it at all? It would be easier to get the DVD than finding an LP copy.


Entered at Fri Aug 12 08:30:50 CEST 2011 from (59.101.55.46)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Bill m

Heard of the band, but only vaguely... How old would he be?


Entered at Fri Aug 12 05:51:27 CEST 2011 from (207.216.78.164)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tofino at the moment

dlew: Ever heard of Strine guitarist Kim Churchill? I've never heard of him, but he's on the bill with Queensland's Oka tomorrow night at the Legion here.


Entered at Fri Aug 12 04:56:47 CEST 2011 from (207.216.78.164)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: A complete complete package of Hawkins' Hawk/Cotillion LPs would include two versions each of "Lonely Weekend" and "Patricia" from the second LP. The US release of the second album included versions of those two songs recorded with the Dixie Flyers. Ronnie's backing band on the versions of those two songs on the Canadian release was provided by Jim Atkinson, Terry Danko, Dwayne Ford, Brian Hilton and Hugh Brockie - his road band at the time.

Pat B / Landmark / JQ: After the original Motherlode quartet broke apart, a new quartet was put together around Smitty. The drummer was Phil Wilson, really a progressive jazz guy but then just off a stint with the Butterfield Band that included the Woodstock festival.

Speaking of names and Jon Voight, I kinda like the one given to his character in "Coming Home" (I think it was - with Jane Fonda).


Entered at Thu Aug 11 23:14:17 CEST 2011 from (41.97.230.143)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Re: Ilkka

a brief googling shows that The Evil Eye, Bjorn Larsson, is rather a story "förutsägbar". JMG Le Clézio, Le Désert, is interesting, it sounds like a close view from the in-depth of the human immutable nature melted in a snapshot of the world of the time in its global scope

if anyone still enjoy/discover the songs I link (my songs as Bill M used to qualify them), the three last songs I linked, they form one sort of trilogy (in reverse order) with no related thematic but whose respective harmonies recommand to be played in this (inverse) order. I feel frustrated that such a record is unavailable in the internet, as the one performed by Abdelkader Chercham in his 1986 album. So, a few more extra clicks are necessary to restitute the dream


Entered at Thu Aug 11 23:10:23 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Landmark, by Pennsylvania law, if an avocado is found to be within three miles of a cheesesteak it can no longer be considered a cheesesteak.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 20:06:12 CEST 2011 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

We're good. A cheese-steak if and when I visit. Hold the avocado.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 19:44:21 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Please accept my apology.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 17:44:11 CEST 2011 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

And outed as well.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 17:24:39 CEST 2011 from (90.239.92.132)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: My recent post

Because the internet is (mainly) only the s***t the best link to this Swedish author is the French! http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Larsson


Entered at Thu Aug 11 17:19:09 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Alex, you are CORRECT, sir!

[link]


Entered at Thu Aug 11 17:10:22 CEST 2011 from (90.239.92.132)

Posted by:

NorthWestCoaster

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: "I know you've suffered much, but in this you are not so unique." - Bob Dylan

To Rollie's family: My condolences.

------------

To understand Empty Now I recommend two Award Winning authors and books: Bjorn Larsson, "The Evil Eye" and J.M.G Le Clezio: "Desert".


Entered at Thu Aug 11 17:02:27 CEST 2011 from (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Chip Taylor's brother is Jon Voight, whom George bought a used car, mistakenly thinking it was the same Jon Voight.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 15:54:00 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Clue

Somehow the answer to Bob's question involves a baron and a cowboy.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 15:51:29 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Kathy McCord

With uncharacteristic speed, amazon.uk had the CD here this morning. Haven't put it on yet, but the liner notes by Billy Vera (and Kathy McCord) aren't up to Ace's normal standard. We get that tantalising lists of names, Levon, Rick, Amos Garrett etc, but no details of which tracks they're on or what they do.

The LP was just CTI … my confusion was the single, I'll Give My Heart To You, was two years earlier and on Rainy Day.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 14:43:32 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Chip Taylor

Trivia: What is the connection between George Costanza (Seinfeld) and Chip Taylor?

An easy one.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 13:38:24 CEST 2011 from (129.42.208.177)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Web: My link

Subject: New Ollabelle Streaming on NPR

I don't know if this was already posted but you can hear the fine new Ollabelle record on NPR First Listen this week.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 13:03:51 CEST 2011 from (67.6.62.152)

Posted by:

Jerry

Web: My link

Subject: Jeff Newsom

Not knowing Jeff or his music I figured I'd give You Tube a try. I'm not sure if this has been posted in here yet but figured in case it hadn't I would link it...The guy in the vid is a harp player and a friend of Jeff's.. He reviews the cd and plays a few cuts and talks about Jeff's playing...Very Cool..


Entered at Thu Aug 11 10:59:58 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Chip Taylor

The spectra pop interview is excellent. I got halfway through it last night by chance and had to go out. Thanks Bob for posting it and reminding me to finish it. The records, 45s and albums, illustrated next to the review are all things I've been listening to recently. Billy Vera & Judy Clay, Merilee Rush, Evie Sands, Chip Taylor.

With the "Rock & Roll Joe" album, and The Union Song, about Richard Bell, you have to think there is a Band connection to Chip Taylor and John Platania somewhere. It's a pity it wasn't active in the 90s, as Chip is a great songwriter! What impresses me is the range from Wild Thing to Angel of The Morning to I Can't Let Go to Country Girl-City Man.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 09:01:34 CEST 2011 from (59.101.55.46)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Actually, on obsessive compulsive disorder

I actually have ocdc... OCD, but I rock...

Also C d o ... Like OCD, but all the letters are in the right order, as they should be.


Entered at Thu Aug 11 01:14:15 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Chip Taylor

A great interview with Chip Taylor and John Platania from Spectropop.[linked]


Entered at Wed Aug 10 23:50:07 CEST 2011 from (41.97.217.134)

Posted by:

Empty Now

lack of mastering of English language either


Entered at Wed Aug 10 23:39:31 CEST 2011 from (41.97.217.134)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: gained in translation

another one of the Chaabi verses that always impressed me, and in which I always even found something TheBandGBian; 0:30-1:07 in the link above

"Pick the quintessence of the behaviour of the wise men,
Prevent yourself to ever argue against someone's fundamental truth,
Keep the measure and just keep gazing in presence of the erudite ones,
Guard caution that your light doesn't burn the ignorant ones,
Let everybody look for your name after you'll fade away",

another awesome Chaabi line, and so awesome are my translations over the posts, fruit of my lack of mastering of the original language. ,

In reality I used to translate what I feel the most, is there another way to translate poetry ?


Entered at Wed Aug 10 23:30:06 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Kathy McCord

According to the Ace Chip Taylor notes, she was originally on Rainy Day, the label Chip Taylor started for The Flying Machine (i.e. James Taylor). Billy Vera did some great stuff with Judy Clay. It's hard to know who's the uncredited male duetting with Kathy McCord on I'll Give My Heart To You. I'd guess Chip Taylor, but if it turns out to be Billy Vera, I won't be surprised.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 22:31:14 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Re: Kathy McCord

Thanks, Bob W et al. Listening on YouTube and I haven't heard one song I don't like. Beautiful stuff, suggesting Phoebe Snow on some tracks, Bobby Charles on others (try "Acapulco" from the unreleased demos). Not hearing Levon or Rick so far, but the backing is excellent throughout. This is a no-brainer to pick up.

I can't seem to find any biographical info on her other than the press blurb. Is she still alive?


Entered at Wed Aug 10 20:20:56 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Joe Farrell

CTI Masterworks has just (re)released 1971's _Outback_. Not for the jazzophobic.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 20:09:31 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.147)

Posted by:

Pat B

Funny how the circle continues on. Sanborn is prominently featured in some Woodstock outtakes with Butterfield whose band includes Buzzy Feiten and Brother Gene Dinwiddie. Those two would form Full Moon and release one great album after Feiten did two albums with, guess who, the Rascals.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 19:48:08 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Mr. Sanborn was also a member of the Paul Butterfied Blues Band from 1967-1971 and played on the Bobby Charles Bearsville album.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 19:11:28 CEST 2011 from (68.164.4.147)

Posted by:

Pat B

Interesting that she would be on CTI, Creed Taylor's jazz label. Later, Joe Farrell--RoA horn section--would put out some great music for CTI as would Hubert Laws who played on a number of Rascals albums. Dave Sanborn who is now an elder statesman played also some great solos for the Rascals.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 18:21:35 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Kathy McCord has a track on Ace’s “Wild Thing: The Songs of Chip Taylor”. He wrote I’ll Give My Heart To You for her. The sleeve says he promised her Angel of The Morning, but gave it to Evie Sands instead and always felt bad about letting her down.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 17:21:33 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Location: New Ry Cooder?

Thanks for the tip Peter.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 17:13:04 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Jon, I also meant to mention....there are several cuts from the album posted on YouTube.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 16:58:30 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Kathy McCord

Jon, I am curious as well. I found the following on the linked blog.

"While the legendary Paul Butterfield was always a musical presence in the Woodstock community and offered his advice and commentaries freely, he was not on the sessions," Kathy says. "However Howard "HoJo" Johnson, the Brecker Bros., blues master Kal David, the multi-talented Marty Grebb and many others are, contributing their unique musical talents, for which I am eternally grateful." The "many others" also include David Sanborn (on whose album "Promise Me the Moon" she would later appear), Amos Garrett, Tommy "T-Bone" Wolk, John Platania, Tom Malone, Lou Marini, Lew Del Gatto, and Levon Helm & Rick Danko (of The Band), along with vocal backing by the Voices of East Harlem.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 16:39:23 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Kathy McCord

Thanks, Jon. Just ordered it. It's on the Ace label which is a guarantee of quality for me, plus Billy Vera's her brother. Will let you know if I get it first.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 16:10:04 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Subject: Kathy McCord album

Very intrigued by the 1969 Kathy McCord album referenced in Jan's What's New section. Has anyone heard it? If so, how significant are the contributions from Levon and Rick? Any backing vocals?


Entered at Wed Aug 10 15:50:39 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Hawk

In October the Wounded Bird label will be releasing two CD reissues of albums that Ronnie Hawkins recorded on the Cotillion label in the early '70s. First is his self-titled 1970 album recorded at Muscle Shoals with the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, Duane Allman, King Biscuit Boy and Scott Cushnie. It features a great cover of The Clovers song "Down In The Alley", highlighted by Mr. Allman slide guitar. The second reissue is "The Hawk" originally released in 1971. It was recorded at Criteria Studios in Miami with the Dixie Flyers, Duane Allman, Duck Dunn and the Memphis Horns.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 09:36:19 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, John. Just done my amazon pre-order. Doubly good because the forthcoming Ry Cooder immediately came up as a recommendation.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 03:47:34 CEST 2011 from (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Lost Notebooks of Hank Williams

I'm very glad to see that "The Lost Notebooks of Hank Williams is finally coming out. Each of the artists had to complete a song; from Hank's original notes and lyrics. I have heard Levon's song "You'll Never Again Be Mine."

Nothing like getting song writing credits alongside Hank Williams. This has been over three years in the making. Can't wait.


Entered at Wed Aug 10 01:02:35 CEST 2011 from (41.97.205.84)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

in the link above, full song lyrics in French


Entered at Tue Aug 9 23:46:50 CEST 2011 from (41.97.205.84)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

nowhere else I found strongest texts than in those classic Chaabi qacid. "Yahli Aadrouni" (translate as "all my relatives, forgive me") -- there are wealths of different cover versions of this clqssic song, the linked above though lenghty has the best adio quality.

translation of the chorus verse 2:32-2:43 :

"That anything bad would happen to me
Is that probably everything's done for I deserved (/choosed?) it
I don't mind to bear my share of pain
The unbearable is the pain of those who love me
All my relatives, please forgive me
More than once, I had planned to repent"



Entered at Tue Aug 9 22:44:02 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: A Touch of Grey

I could play bass in a very dull way on Hoochie Coochie Man for Ealing. Or bass drum pedal even. Probably both together. The secret, which all Brit Blues Bores forget, is leaving spaces with nothing happening. Nothing happening is my speciality.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 22:31:54 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: appearing next week: Grey Floyd

Peter V / David P: Maybe you two could work up a passable version of "Stinking Widget Blues" for the next Ealing session?: "We don't need no stinking widgets, we don't need no thought control, no dark sarcasm in the rest-home, matron - leave our canes alone ..."


Entered at Tue Aug 9 20:57:41 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ealing (Ailing) Blues

I didn't get very far but spot-sampled. It's excellent recreational therapy for elderly musicians, and it's great that the Old Folks Home gives them this opportunity to "jam" (as they quaintly call it) on Hoochie-Coochie Man in the Residents' Lounge between the afternoon Bingo! session and High tea. It's pretty boring for anyone just seeking to hear Hoochie Coochie Man, and I'm sure we could assemble a GB band and 90% plus of us could join and play this.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 19:31:37 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Peter V: Someone sent me a tired YouTube clip from a recent Ealing Club reopening celebration along with a related clipping from the Aug 5 "Ealing Gazette". The writer, Roberta Freund Schwartz, " is an associate professor of musicology at the University of Kansas, and the author of "How Britain Got the Blues: The Transmission and Recepton of American Blues Styles in the British Isles". Includes Ireland too, I guess. Anyway, do you know the book? If so, does it pay attention to skiffle?

Pat B: Exactly. I'm sure you're like me and have a single designated typing finger. I use baggies; you?


Entered at Tue Aug 9 19:25:15 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Widgets? We don't need no stinking widgets.

According to Topspin: "Our Website and data collection devices include "Widgets", which are interactive mini-programs that run on our artists' sites to provide specific services from the artist (e.g. trading an email for a free song, purchasing an album, playing music, etc.)."


Entered at Tue Aug 9 19:00:39 CEST 2011 from (68.164.3.161)

Posted by:

Pat B

Being interested in facts should not be written off to obsessive-compulsive behavior, even if it is typed on a keyboard that should be cleaned every ten minutes because of the massive, infective dirt that flows through the air and lands on the keypad, thus wedging its way into the grooves of my fingerprints and creating weird clusters of bacteria. It's just someone concerned with history.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 18:11:39 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

sadavid: I did not google, just clicked on "privacy" policy at robbie-robertson.com. Sebastian may well be responsible for preparing the content, but Topspin apparently manages the marketing link of the website domain.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 18:04:48 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill

Subject: as we're picking nits ...

sadavid: Don't forget 'compulsive'. I prefer to say 'obsessive compulsives'. but 'compulsive obsessives' would be acceptable to most, I suspect. Still, some will quibble no matter what you say; fortunately I'm not one of those.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 17:54:35 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: the power behind the throne

Bill M: My Google is different from David P's; according to [My link], JRR's "web presence" is masterminded by young Sebastian:

"In a sign of the times, Robertson has shrewdly used the social media to help create a buzz, too. His son Sebastian, who has launched Royal Digital Marketing in Los Angeles, believed his father needed to reach out to his fans by taking advantage of the digital media. Sebastian created a web presence for his father, complete with numerous posts on Facebook."

The web designer is one David Chita, but the historical inaccuracies are down to the principals, who obviously don't care as much as some of the obsessives in this congregation. Presumably, the Authorized Autobiography will display more fastidiousness. Presumably.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 17:47:52 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: e-$$

Bill M: A little internet investigation reveals that robbie-robertson.com is operated by Topspin Media, an e-commerce business providing direct-to-fan merchandising for artists, labels & management.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 16:46:44 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Any idea who is behind robbie-robertson.com? Robbierobertson.com (without the hyphen), which is what you'd think the authorised site would be, is "under construction". I take it that it's not run by Robbie or Sebastian, as Sebastian's told us that the old man's middle name is Royal. Six Nations should be Reserve, not Reservation, especially if capitalised. The Suedes are ignored, while the evanescent and inconsequential Trambones aren't. The Rhythm Chords wouldn't have given special billing to Robbie, and Robbie was in the Consuls, not the later Little Caesar and the Consuls.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 16:06:41 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Correction: "Sailor" of course was the last SMB album to feature Boz Scaggs. The band's next album, "Brave New World" released in 1969, featured Paul McCartney (under the name Paul Ramon) on vocals, bass & drums on a couple of songs.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 14:53:04 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Steve Miller Band

Amazingly, the SMB released "Children of the Future" (June) and "Sailor" (October) back-to-back in 1968. The former album was the last to feature Boz Scaggs. As I mentioned recently in a vinyl siding posting, I have a copy of a 3-LP box set released by Capitol Records in 1969 containing The Band's MFBP, SMB's "Sailor" and Quicksilver Messenger Service's self-titled debut LP.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 12:26:43 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

See link. Robbie really did choose the wrong clothes for the record sleeve !


Entered at Tue Aug 9 09:33:46 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Fear of Falling

Thanks for the download link. It's a strange song … it wasn't one of my favourites initially, but it proved a real grower to the point of becoming an 'ear worm' the last couple of weeks. The new version with Eric Clapton doing the "echo" voice at the end is great. I hadn't seen that early Levon & The Hawks colour picture before … all the images on Robbie's site are in great quality.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 06:08:34 CEST 2011 from (99.235.255.183)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

While I'm here, and since I love any kind of history, here's the latest today.

LUVYA all xoxoxo


Entered at Tue Aug 9 06:02:01 CEST 2011 from (99.235.255.183)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Rollie & Greg Allman

Hi guys.. What a sad day here and since last week.

I was so sorry to hear about our ROLLIE.Thanx to PSB for the post. He was a joy whenever he posted. RIP, dear Jeff. My best to the family. We'll miss you around here. xoxo

While we are praying for Jeff's family, let us also pray for a quick recovery for the great Jeff Allman. See MY LINK.

I miss you all very much.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Tue Aug 9 02:04:30 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Fear of Falling, alternative take download

FREE DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE: ​ "Fear Of Falling," alternate take with Robbie singing all the verses and Eric Clapton joining in on the choruses. This download is EXCLUSIVE to our online community and will not be available anywhere else.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 00:59:57 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Steve Milliband

If you're taking it chronologically, the best is next, Sailor. Was Quicksilver Girl in my top 30? Can't remember.It should have been. Excellent album.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 00:36:05 CEST 2011 from (97.241.110.10)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Rollie, Jeff, TLW and "The Henhouse Tapes"

Those of us lucky enough to hang out here for ten years or more have been lucky enough to make some friends here. Rollie was the guy who always reminded us in a lighthearted way that HE was at "The Last Waltz," too, and it turned out he had some funny stories about that. He became our friend Jeff and some of us bought and loved his CD. I feel lucky to have known him.


Entered at Tue Aug 9 00:04:10 CEST 2011 from (74.101.157.90)

Posted by:

Ari

Web: My link

Reunion. Bob and Jack and Levon. Sounds like a great crowd.


Entered at Mon Aug 8 19:50:18 CEST 2011 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Dlew you spoil me. Why don't you just tell me to go google? Thanks. So another singing drummer eh?


Entered at Mon Aug 8 19:09:40 CEST 2011 from (70.53.60.108)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Rollie

Just tuned in after some days away……Extremely sorry to hear the news of Jeff’s passing. …….I like to think that sometimes you can also tell a lot about someone just by the way they interact with others……….only knowing Rollie through this GB he was the best of what made this place special……...Considerate and musical with a great sense of humour…………….I am at a place where the fireplaces have been locked indefinitely but shall attempt some sort of little fire outside in memory of Rollie…………. Nice to see the Henhouse Tapes added to the website - nothing could be more appropriate and what a cover of “The Weight” it contains…..Thanks bob w for the suggestion and for keeping Rollie in our thoughts for all these months…..and to Jane and family…….it may seem hard to believe now but the good memories last and get stronger and while they never completely fill the void they do become a presence that provides strength and companionship. Trust me on that one.


Entered at Mon Aug 8 19:03:20 CEST 2011 from (67.42.3.239)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Mother Earth - Make A Joyful Noise, and some nostalgia

I played and thoroughly enjoyed this one over the weekend - extra scratchy. In May 1970, after about 18 months of being out of commission, saving you all from global communism, I bought 3 LPs on the day I got out: this one, Boz Skaggs and The Brown Album. A good day of shopping & reconnecting I'd say.


Entered at Mon Aug 8 17:11:48 CEST 2011 from (207.183.172.133)

Posted by:

jane

Subject: rollie

Thanks to all for your support for Jeffrey( Rollie)He was so touched to have his CD featured on the band page. Jeff is the love of my life and I will miss his physical body in my life but his soul was so great, there is no way I won't be able to feel him in the everyday. Next time you listen to Ophelia listen for Jeff shouting out.We even were able to spot him on the Last Walz DVD. Did ya know he was at the Last Walz ?


Entered at Mon Aug 8 14:49:41 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Happy b'day, Bill Scheele!


Entered at Mon Aug 8 13:04:58 CEST 2011 from (59.101.55.46)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Joe J...

Steve Miller – vocals, guitar,[1] harmonica Boz Scaggs – guitar,[1] backing vocals; lead vocals on "Baby's Calling Me Home" & "Steppin' Stone" Lonnie Turner – bass guitar[1], backing vocals Jim Peterman – mellotron on side one, Hammond organ on side two,[1] backing vocals Tim Davis – drums[1], backing vocals, lead vocals on "Junior Saw It Happen" & "Fannie Mae" Glyn Johns – producer/engineer That's according to Wikipedia...

Hope that helps.


Entered at Mon Aug 8 05:00:25 CEST 2011 from (24.218.16.94)

Posted by:

Dave H

Web: My link

A newspaper article about a ceremony in Woodstock yesterday honoring Happy and the late Artie Traum. Final sentence: "[Levon] Helm . . . chauffeured the honorees to today's ceremony in a black convertible Chevrolet Camaro."


Entered at Mon Aug 8 04:13:34 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: HEAL!..........I command you!

Yeah JQ, wadn't he somethin'.

Some times when I get to thinkin' about parts of our lives, like what Jeff has just had to endure in his departure, I come back to songs like this.

Barry "Byrd" Burton, of the "Amazing Rythm Aces" was one of the most amazing, guitaritsts, mandolin players, and many other instruments.

Ol' Byrd does this instrumental version of Don MacClean's, "Vincent". Byrd has been dead for some time now, of one of those gawd damn diseases too. I will never forget how this man can play. WATCH THIS!


Entered at Mon Aug 8 03:43:53 CEST 2011 from (198.228.210.153)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Ernest Angely

Holy fuck Westcoaster, that's some memory. Ernest's toupe was an architectural wonder. As were his healing powers: "smell my finger and thou shalt never be without smell again - Praise Geeeezuz!!


Entered at Mon Aug 8 03:26:35 CEST 2011 from (184.64.88.160)

Posted by:

william harvie

Location: calgary

Subject: calgary roofing

Calgary roofing's best company is Homestead Roofing, hands down.


Entered at Mon Aug 8 02:33:32 CEST 2011 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Steve Miller

Just got Steve Miller's "Children of the Future", my first SMB album. Not entirely unacquainted of course; there are a ton of radio hits and those two records that everybody but me had back in the day. But this album, or songs from it, has shown up on a few GB lists plus Boz Scaggs was a featured performer. So anyway, the first side is a bit of pleasant psychedelia that might not get played again anytime soon. The second side has Boz doing a neat acoustic number before the band plugs in and does a great set of blues-rock tunes. Including a slow version of BB's 'Key to the HIghway' that shreds the Band's cover. My problem is that my CD has zero liner notes and I don't always know who is singing what. How many singers did this band use anyway?


Entered at Mon Aug 8 01:07:51 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Where you are........is where you are

Give Empty an.....AMEN

That Rev Billie Sol Hargis, has been hangin out with Jimmy Swaggart too much........I mean.......they will try just about any scheme to get yer bucks. Even Earnest Angely....damn Billie......we're on to you boy!

Lars, I think you better start distancing yourself from that cad. Everey body is soon going to start believing you are part of these schemes. Then you know what turn this will take.

Joan......thank you for posting that obit. It was good to read. It would sure be nice to be able to stop by that fire with those folks. We'll just have to celebrate Jeff in our own way. There is no doubt he would want us to carry on with the music and laughter.

I guess as years go by, a little bit more of the BAND slips into history. Jeff was a big part of that history, and will remain so. These things keep the Band, and that music close and in our hearts.

Jan, it is good to see you have included Jeff's music in the archives of BAND covers. He deserves to be there, and carved in stone as this tradition carries on. In our minds, it would be good to feel that Rick, Richard and Jeff may find each other' spirits and be kicked back, playing "Rockin Chair". That gives me a comfortable feeling.


Entered at Sun Aug 7 23:33:25 CEST 2011 from (41.97.231.225)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: The Right Rev. Dr. Billy Sol Hargis, Esq. : Re - "...back to the sweet evenings of your youth..."

the present time is the best moment in the life of every man

the only happiness in life lies in the body's ability to benefit from the temperature of every season.

actually, Jan just helped to transported us into the true world


Entered at Sun Aug 7 20:48:30 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Rollie

An obituary for Jeff.


Entered at Sun Aug 7 20:37:40 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: vanishing post

It is strange My post from yesterday has vanished. I thanked whoever posted Rollie's saga of TLW.

What happened?


Entered at Sun Aug 7 11:52:53 CEST 2011 from (59.101.55.46)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Hardcore Christian .... site....

Al Qaeda apparently used islamic sites of a similar nature to recruit members.... (I have a lot of skepticism regarding anything to do with Al Qaeda (including its existence... yes there are terrorists, but there are dozens of groups...), but as the Bible says 'what you do in the dark will be brought into the light' ... the repression of these groups is unhealthy, so a site, aimed at that repressed market ('oh, if it's Christian, then it must be good for me')makes a whole lot of sense... (and it's probably not a 'Christian' site anyway - just a normal site, but targeted towards Christians...


Entered at Sun Aug 7 09:39:47 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As I did my daily task of trashing the SPAM on my blog site, 50% of which are in Cyrillics, I noticed a long one in English which was labelled "hardcore Christian sex site". I trashed it, but now wonder if this is a Rev Billy Sol Hargis enterprise. BTW, it's true … that SPAM was there today!


Entered at Sun Aug 7 07:06:41 CEST 2011 from (72.78.38.127)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Test

Test


Entered at Sun Aug 7 07:05:16 CEST 2011 from (72.78.38.127)

Posted by:

PSB

Subject: Test


Entered at Sun Aug 7 06:13:43 CEST 2011 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

The Right Rev. Dr. Billy Sol Hargis, Esq.

Location: The Discount House of Worship

Subject: This parallel universe we're in

Yes..............it would appear that Jan has somehow transported us into a parallel universe, where we can't see the posts being made in here.......and I sense a great fear of the unknown.....and there are bad vibes here....and you just want to get back to where you were, a safe place. Do you know where the sleepwalker is walking to? He's trying to get back, get back to a different place, a different time.

Fear NOT. I can help you. I can change everything and get you back to the sweet evenings of your youth....when you could lie in the grass and not having to worry about tics or Lyme Disease. When you played baseball all day and you could smell the leather of your glove when you held it up to your face......when our leaders were great men...and America had never lost a war.

From now until Labor Day I am offering you a way to go back. The Discount House of Worship "H. G. Wells" Workshop has developed a vehicle that can take you back- all you have to supply is the Triple-A batteries. Just send 2 or 3 hundred dollars to:

The Discount House of Worship
PO Box 1
Del Rio, TX

Say hallaluejah, say amen


Entered at Sat Aug 6 21:34:10 CEST 2011 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Rollie's TLW story

Even though I've heard it before, I always enjoy a good story making the rounds again. Rollie's TLW tale gives a lot of insight on what went on at TLW besides a movie being made.


Entered at Sat Aug 6 18:59:25 CEST 2011 from (85.255.44.145)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Test

Our web server's OS was just heavily upgraded. If this comes through, then the 15-year old Band guestbook software still works...


Entered at Sat Aug 6 05:36:26 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

What can you say? Rollie left way too young. From what i can gather he was a great guy, a fun guy, and probably lived what he considered a good life. and that's one thing that makes life good. A short life, by today's standard's hell yeah.... He was loved & will be missed by those who knew him. That's alot.It means he had a good life. No one wants to see their loved ones and friends go.

Once again, I loved reading his Last Waltz story.


Entered at Sat Aug 6 03:39:44 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Thru' the tears

I have just arrived home. Susan drove me up the island to bring my truck back. After we put all our supplies away from shopping on the way home, I have just sat down here with a cold drink to see what was going on.

As I read each post the tears begin to fall, and I see Jeff's smiling face on his CD that I have. Without every hardly knowing him, I feel the loss It never becomes any easier to face the loss of a human being, too young, too vibrant, a true good spirit........it's hard.

Strength to all his loved ones....there's nothing else to say.


Entered at Sat Aug 6 02:55:57 CEST 2011 from (72.71.209.213)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Subject: Rollie's "TLW" tale... never gets old.

Location: Winterland

Subject: The Last Waltz Remembered(for Catskill)

Many have heard the tale. This is for those who have not."...traveling from Salt Lake to S.F. in Garths's Mercedes , piloted by the one and only David Boyle. I'm 18. Dave is in his 40's? late 30's? I'm sure he doesn't know what to make of me. I sure as hell don't know what to make of him. Somewhere out in the Nevada desert he asks me if I've ever smoked pot. Not wanting to lie , but not wanting to confess to someone close to my fathers age(sort of)I suggest I may have tried it once or twice."Good" , he says, "reach into my coat pocket". I'm catatonic until we reach Mill Valley. I do recall at one point he pulled out some canned brown bread and sardines. They disappeared quickly! Mill Valley appears thru the fog(yes both kinds!)We reach the home of a young damsel who is obviously very interested in David, but barely notices the young squire standing next to him.Off they go,somewhere into the domicile, me to the couch. Make it into SF the next day, where I check into the Miyako Hotel(or is it Kyoto? Godfrey or Donabie wanna help me here?) I'm settling in chillin out, when an older guy comes in. What kind of people is my sister hangin out with I wonder? Jack Wingate is the fellows name, long time raconteur and pal to the Band.He's beginning to get the sense he may be in charge of baby sitting me, when a rather neandrathal-ish figure strolls in with a cowboy hat, and steals Jack away.I don't know who the guy is until I see him on stage the next day. Ronnie Hawkins. Down to lunchwith Garth,sis, and some other folks. Levon and Rick come strolling thru and steam is emanating from Levons head.We duck back into our lunches.Lunch over,we help Garth prepare for the big gig,ie; a trip to the hardware store!!!! Now I'm sure musicians are total screwballs!!!!!!! Back to the Lobby of the hotel,sis and I take a breather and have a seat. In thru the front doors comes Gods messenger. Muddy Waters!with Pinetop Perkins close behind. They sit down no more than five feet from us, waiting for their bags to be brought in.At that point in my life(and to this day)there existed no greater a human being. I've since heard that when Muddy walked into a room , you could feel his presence, stateliness.To be ssure , I sat stunned, mesmerized. I forever want to go back to that moment, and hold the conversation I didn't have the nerve to discuss then. A few hrs later, I'm waiting for Bill Grahams son to bring the motor home around to the hotel to take guests down to the Winterland to check out rehearsals. I'm blown away when he shows up!! He can't be more than 12? 13? Should I get in? He can't even see over the wheel!!!!! Fuck it! I'm definitely on this bus!!! The floor of the Winterland is sparse compared to the onslaught the following evening. Scorcese and Bill Graham are getting into it......Joni Mitchell-riveting, Clapton, cookin. This is the rehearsal??? The day of the show, some photographer hands me the set list , and as a prank, tells me to call out the name of the songs beforre they happen.(yep, you can me hear hollerin before "Ophelia" and Robbie replying"You got it"on the recording. Fascinating ,eh??" Could the photographer have been Elliot Landy? Get down to the Winterland early.5:30ish ---Everybody gets fed the full on Thanksgiving dinner. Tables cover the entire floor. Dinner over, Ballroom dancing. A boogie -woogie piano player either preceeded or followed this. Bill Graham introduces the show"Good Evening". You know the rest. Ahh, the good old days. Garth picks up the newspaper the following morning, which announces that Robertson has led the Band thru the Last Waltz, or something to that effect."Fuckin guitar players get all the credit" he mumbles in mock disgust. Down the hall we go to breakfast, when we're cut off by a haggard looking Neil Young."How bout a little O' Canada,Garth" he says brandishing a harmonica.We wander off, with the canadian national anthem trailing in the distance,my last remebrance of a mind blowing event


Entered at Sat Aug 6 02:06:38 CEST 2011 from (72.215.116.116)

Posted by:

John D

My thanks to Pat B & Lars for the mentions. I am currently in Las Vegas and just heard about Jeff (Rollie). God bless to a fine human being and his proud journey to TLW.

I read that I had retired. Not true. Just Re-Tooling. It was finally time to take on some projects that I put off for 47 years.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 23:43:32 CEST 2011 from (96.30.174.20)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: the fog

Subject: Jeff

Sad news indeed. My heart goes out to his family and friends. Thanks PSB for letting us know. Rollie was a great guy and a great musician. Guess I'll be giving 'The Henhouse Tapes' another spin when I get home tonight. Might even light a fire myself.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 23:10:06 CEST 2011 from (79.202.183.53)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

When Aristotle was asked “What is a friend?” he said: “One soul inhabiting two bodies”

Knowing Rollie so many years in this GB I regard him as a friend. Another wise man once spoke about losing a friend: “the gloom of sorrow, the steeping of the heart in tears, all sweetness turned to bitterness - and the feeling of death in the living, because of the loss of the life of the dying.” I altered an existing poem:

Has anybody here seen my old friend Jeff?

Can you tell me where he's gone?

He freed a lot of people but it seems the good die young

I just looked around and he's gone.

I thought I saw him walking up o'er the hill

Richard, Rick and Jeff”

You are always at The Last Waltz Rollie and I can never visit you, R.I.P my friend.

p.s. I never forget the CD you made for the Toronto school kids of teacher Brown Eyed Girl, roaring beauty! Thanks, I always cherish that till the day I’ll speak you again.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 22:56:33 CEST 2011 from (75.34.52.241)

Posted by:

Adam

Maybe someone could gather his stories about TLW from the GB archives. I remember him telling the story of being in the car on the way there, but don't recall the situation of him being in the car with Garth, etc.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 22:39:11 CEST 2011 from (24.47.42.238)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: Rollie was at TLW??

As I recall, it's Rollie who shouts, "Ophelia" on the Last Waltz soundtrack, just before The Band does that song.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 22:07:00 CEST 2011 from (98.172.14.5)

Posted by:

K Davis

Location: Arkansas

Subject: Levon's boyhood home

I was in Turkey Scratch in June and had a wonderful conversation with A.B. Thompson. He showed me where Levon's house used to sit, just about 100 yards the east of his store and across the road. He also told me that he sold the house a few years back and it was moved about 10 miles to the west of Marvell. It is one of three 'shotgun shacks' that sit behind a large two story brick house on the south side of highway 49. He didn't know which one of the three it was. I drove over and was able to find the houses, but they are on private property so I was not able to get close to them.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 22:06:14 CEST 2011 from (184.145.71.220)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

So sad to hear of Rollie's death. My condolences to his family and friends.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 20:14:29 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Rollie

I am very sorry to hear of Jeff's parting. I didn't know him, but I enjoyed his posts and especially his music. It was his Last Waltz.My deepest condolences to his family and friends. Thank you "Rollie". RIP


Entered at Fri Aug 5 19:22:58 CEST 2011 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

R.I.P., Rollie. Very sad news.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 18:12:20 CEST 2011 from (75.72.126.40)

Posted by:

Zzzz

Subject: RIP Rollie

Sad to hear of his passing. He made this place better for sure, and will be missed.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 17:41:24 CEST 2011 from (68.164.3.161)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff was a beautiful soul and a great player. I know his family will find comfort in the genuine love and affection so many had for him, so well deserved.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 16:56:41 CEST 2011 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Such sad news

Rest In Peace, Rollie.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 16:01:38 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

I sincerely second all three of David P's sentences.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 15:28:28 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Jeff Newsom

Jan H.,

As you know, Jeff Newsom backed Rick onstage on at least one occasion and covered "The Weight" on his album. I move he be added to the site's "Related Artist" list if you see it as appropriate. Thanks.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 15:04:51 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

I am saddened to hear of Jeff's passing. My condolences to his family and friends. Thanks PSB for relaying the news.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 14:50:18 CEST 2011 from (24.252.246.108)

Posted by:

Calvin

I think I remember Rollie mentioning he was at the Last Waltz, any else remember that?

I've been posting her off and on for over a decade now (in its different forms) and its amazing how people who Ive never met (But often shared things through the mail, or talked with on the phone) become friends. Rollie was one of the good guys.

R.I.P.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 14:39:04 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

THE BAND (facebook)

Web: My link

Jeff "Rollie" Newsom remembered.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 14:05:03 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Jeff Newsom was a beautiful soul and one hell of a musician. We communicated sporadically over the years and it was always a great pleasure to read his words. My heartfelt sympathies go out to his family and friends. He was the kind of guy that leaves a big void when he goes.

I am grateful for the gift of his music and the brief glimpses into his world. Thank you, Jeff. I will miss you, my friend.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 11:19:55 CEST 2011 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

nux

Subject: Rollie

R.I.P brother


Entered at Fri Aug 5 09:58:33 CEST 2011 from (75.34.52.241)

Posted by:

Adam

He WAS at the Last Waltz. Legendary. Every time we watch the DVD or listen to the box set, Rollie will be with us in spirit.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 09:56:56 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: RIP Rollie

A friend of my wife died some years ago from this pernicious wasting illness and watching it gradually overwhelm every living sense of its victims is truly shocking to witness.

As soon as I read about Jeff's plight and his determination to fight it for all he was worth my heart sank as I knew from the experience with that family friend precisly what lay in store for the poor man and above all that, bar comforting, there is nothing that can be done as this awful heinous invader destroys from within. Words can never convey what poor Rollie has had to endure but now his agony has finally come to an end I just pray his family can derive some crumbs of comfort from the respect in which he was held by so many.

Heartfelt sympathy to all.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 09:18:32 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

RIP, Rollie. He was at the Last Waltz, you know! I read his comments for so many years, and I love his album.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 08:58:49 CEST 2011 from (24.47.42.238)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

Subject: Rollie

Ever since it was revealed here that Jeff was sick, I've been nervous every time I visit the GB. I hoped for a miracle post announcing he was fine, and I feared the news that has now come. When I first stumbled upon this site I used to post constantly in the GB, and I was always in the chatroom. "Rollie" was one of the first people I recall being there. He was, for me, one of those people that even though you are not face-to-face with them you somehow are able to instantly like. He really seemed like a good guy. I am so saddened that Rollie had to leave this life so damn soon. I can't even describe it. Rest in Peace Jeff. TOM


Entered at Fri Aug 5 06:44:52 CEST 2011 from (120.16.1.195)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: Thanks also to

People like bob w who'd remind us that Jeff was sick. It's easy to be less aware.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 06:43:16 CEST 2011 from (120.16.1.195)

Posted by:

Dew919

Subject: Sad news

I didn't know Rollie well, and I don't even think we crossed much on the boards, but he was always worth reading, as all regulars here are. Somewhere, I like to think, Rick and Richard are putting on a special show, with Jeff and steve (rip) watching...


Entered at Fri Aug 5 06:31:19 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: a Must watch/ listen,,, pre teen singing gospel

You Tube is good for this kind of stuff.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 05:00:27 CEST 2011 from (99.141.74.169)

Posted by:

Adam

Web: My link

I'm very sorry to hear about Jeff Newsom. RIP.

The link above shows that Levon will appear on Bob Dylan's 'Hank Williams project', which is being released on October 4. Levon and band finished/recorded a song using unfinished Hank Williams lyrics.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 04:40:42 CEST 2011 from (24.193.158.70)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

So sorry to hear about Jeff. I didn't know him well, but I've seen his posts here over the years. He seemed a kind spirit and a talented and passionate musician. I'll play his CD and think of him.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 03:53:31 CEST 2011 from (24.105.217.223)

Posted by:

Lil

I am so saddened by the news of Jeff's passing. We exchanged many e-mails throughout the years and I was really pulling for him as he fought his illness. My thoughts are with his family and friends at this time. Rest in peace Jeff.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 01:49:53 CEST 2011 from (72.71.209.213)

Posted by:

Mike & Kim

We are very saddened by Rollie's news, Peter... he was a bright spot on the GB.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 01:37:43 CEST 2011 from (24.44.103.67)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Sad news indeed. My prayers are with him, his family and friends.


Entered at Fri Aug 5 00:57:13 CEST 2011 from (72.78.38.127)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Jeff Newsom has left the building

It is my very sad duty to inform you all that I just received an email that Jeff Newsom (aka Rollie) has "hit the road." I was informed by a mutual friend, a friend I knew from elsewhere but also music who turned out to be one of Jeff's neighbors. I was pretty sure this was coming and was about to message Jeff's brother when I received the sad news. I want to thank all of you who responded so wonderfully when I initially wrote about his condition, and again when I wrote about his album. Jeff and I met here on the guestbook, we corresponded for years, lost touch for awhile and reconnected on Facebook where he informed me of his condition and took it to email again as long as he was able to type. In part, the email said: Dear Friends: Our boy Jeff hit the road last night until a clear sky full of stars - his choice of last tunes was Higher Ground with Stevie Wonder. He loved this Valley and this community. We invite you to celebrate his life with us over the next four days. We will be keeping a small fire going at my place 24 hours a day. This like everything Newsom will be pot luck - food, fire, company - catch as catch can but we will be here. We will be burning a fire for Jeff Newsom, starting today, Thursday the 4th, until Sunday the 7th. This is a ceremony borrowing from the Ottawa traditions (native american), where a fire is burned 4 days and 4 nights when a loved one passes. The purpose is for the spirit of the passed to be able to visit with friends at family at the fire, and so that the family can share any last words, stories, songs, tall tales of the deceased. There is only one fire tender at one time adding wood to the fire, no one else can add fire other than the firetender. When you arrive there is sage to smudge your body, clear the road dust, and tobacco in a bowl. Take a pinch of tobacco and offer it to the fire for Jeffrey. There will be an altar set up there for Jeff, so any pictures of him,or favorite foods, or other memorabilia can be brought to put on the altar. You can bring prayers, letters, or last words, to send to Jeff through the fire. Thanks again to all here and to Jan for showing Jeff the support when he needed it. Peter


Entered at Thu Aug 4 22:42:03 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

RtO: Thought of you yesterday when I happened upon "Jumpin' in Jersey" by Toronto saxist Pat Carey and friends, including Michael Fonfara. Fonfara's on all 11 tracks (all instrumentals). Mostly he plays piano - organ on just one - but three of the 11 tracks are Fonfara compositions. Carey's an upfront sax guy so keyboards are seldom central to the proceedings, unfortunately.

I had no idea that the record even existed, and only found it by happenstance while checking out a rack for my real 'prey', the second CD by a powerful but defunct instrumental trio, Sparkjiver (love that name!). I adore their first CD from the late '90s, and had searched unsuccessfully for the second, "Funky bluesy jazzy churchy" for years. The second's not quite the first, but does include a very slow and different treatment of "The Shape I'm In" (see Jan's discography for a fair review). The only vocal on either album, it's sung by the late Rod Phillips, whose organ playing I'm absolutely convinced you'd love. Unfortunately there doesn't seem much evidence that I can point you to aside from the link above - a sax-heavy number with a fill-in drummer and Rod not coming in really until well past the 3-minute mark.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 20:02:17 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Be On The LookOut

R.J. Mischo with Earl Cate & Them. Just missed em in St louis but they will be back the end of the month. Should be interesting to say the least.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 18:37:46 CEST 2011 from (93.152.63.52)

Posted by:

Rob the Organ

Location: Currys, New Malden

Just trying out the demo iPad in a store and seeing if i like it!


Entered at Thu Aug 4 17:01:09 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

In light of the recent YouTube discussion.......the link will take you to YouTube to hear a tune recorded by some friends of mine back in 1962 in Philadelphia and released by Swan Records. The track subsequently found its way onto a compilation entitled "Swing For a Crime" released in Europe as early as 1988. The provenance is likely going to be difficult to track but these guys are pursuing it more out of curiosity than anything else.

The entire story came to light as a result of a YouTube posting. The door swings both ways.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 15:28:29 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Peter V: Our copyright laws in this area are governed by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) enacted by Congress in 1998. In examining the issues in preparation of constructing the legislation, a Senate committee proposed creating "safe harbor" protection for service providers against infringement claims. The reasoning at the time was that, "by limiting the liability of service providers, the DMCA ensures that the efficiency of the Internet will continue to improve and that the variety and quality of services on the Internet will continue to expand." As a result safe harbor immunity provisions for service providers were written into the Act, outlining specific conditions under which liability for infingement would be limited.

In the years since, I don't think many envisioned the extent of how much the Internet would indeed expand. As an example, over 24 hours of new video-viewing time is uploaded on YouTube every minute.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 12:12:38 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Web: My link

Subject: U Tube - no music but wickedly funny security guards and beautiful lady observers

I can see all points of view re You Tube. I guess it's the quality of these new specs I've just got.

:-0)

What can't be argued against is that the likes of the You Tube sites can provide some mighty fine entertainment. Hope there's no Russians reading this.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 11:25:49 CEST 2011 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

NUX

THE LONG RYDERS Native Sons By Richard Haslop"

" The short and unashamedly reductive version, shorn of caveats, apologies, exceptions and unnecessary detail, is that independent American rock rediscovered the guitar in the early to mid 1980s, in various sonic shades and stylistic shapes, and, suddenly, those fans who were becoming concerned about their place in a pop music scene that was starting to look, and sound, more than a little ugly had an antidote that was relatively easy to access and thoroughly pleasant to administer. For them - and for them, read us - it was, briefly, a time of plenty. There seemed to be a new band to read about every few weeks and, with just a little effort and the good graces of a couple of decent record shops, we could hear them too, even in those pre-Internet times."

" Reassuringly, country music and the blues, the bedrock of rock ‘n’ roll, made a reappearance, along with other strains, like psychedelia for instance, that had all but vanished in a welter of synths and haircuts. Traditional values were back, if not in fashion, then at least in some kind of contention, though, if the truth be told, it was all probably a bit too much like the ‘60s, but without the groundbreaking and pathfinding bits. Quite a lot of the music has lasted, though. Like the first Long Ryders album."

" The music business loves the idea of a movement - joining a bandwagon is a whole lot easier than starting something, despite what Michael Jackson said - and its independent arm is no different. So, Los Angeles bands like the Dream Syndicate, Rain Parade and Green On Red, stylistically complementary rather than musically parallel, were lumped together in the so-called Paisley Underground and, being an independent LA band, the Long Ryders found themselves similarly, but hopelessly inaccurately, categorised. In fact, they were an archetypal LA band in many ways, bearing in mind that city’s reputation as a hotbed both of country-rock and US punk."

" A highly enjoyable introductory EP entitled 10-5-60 was followed in 1984 by the group’s full length debut, Native Sons, whose cover art referenced an unreleased Buffalo Springfield record, just to show that their hearts were in the right place."

" Final Wild Son, which kicked off the album in a rush, was all energy and twang, breathlessly telling the story of Jerry Lee Lewis’s arrival at Sun studios and playing as if a punkish and not quite on top of his technique Clarence White had somehow landed up on the Highway 61 Revisited sessions, and the thrill still hasn’t gone. "

" The British beat boom tribute Still Get By calls to mind the Beatles, and also the Kinks, but is somehow not quite either, before the glorious Ivory Tower chimes and jangles in classic fashion as Gene Clark sings backing vocals on what could easily pass for one of his own contributions to the early Byrds repertoire. Like everything else here, it’s neither imitation nor pastiche, but rather a heartfelt acknowledgement of all this great music that we love playing so much … in our own way."

" And so the album goes on, tempting you, song by song, to play the influence game – and you will spot the Burritos for sure, though with punkier drumming by Greg Sowders, formerly Mr Lucinda Williams and now an industry man himself, and maybe a sense of Gram Parsons, a particular hero to the Ryders’ Sid Griffin, who would write his biography, along with a couple of well regarded books on Bob Dylan – but always leaving you satisfied that the Long Ryders had plenty to say in their own right."

" A recent reissue on Griffin’s Prima Records label features the whole of 10-5-60 as well, along with several alternate versions and rather nice artwork.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 05:22:15 CEST 2011 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: athwartship

Subject: Avast

NORM! Good to have you safe and sound and on dry land.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 02:29:26 CEST 2011 from (92.238.33.140)

Posted by:

Rob the Organ

Subject: Jeff

If you do take a look into it, please share the outcome. I'm not precious enough that I am heartbroken if someone doesn't actually LISTEN to the whole album, but I do think traditionally enough that there will be singles and longer bodies of work sold ensemble akin to an old EP or LP. Mind you, if you could have had Revolver with Rain instead of Yellow Submarine.........no, kidding. LPs are what they are and that spirit should continue.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 02:19:00 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bye the way!

He'll never admit it but...........Lars was the guy in the gorrila suit!


Entered at Thu Aug 4 02:07:47 CEST 2011 from (67.250.113.92)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The moistened woods of NY (we needed this rain badly)

Subject: PB's link to the photo with John Donabie and the others

PAT- If I were living back in 1974 and walked into my favorite bar in New Paltz, NY, this would be a typical scene of the characters who used to frequent that establishment. A quick glance at Dylan and I'd probably guess that he was a roofer trying to warm up after shoveling the snow off a roof and stripping off the old shingles.

There was usually an old native American hippy chanting in the back. Sometimes a guy in a gorilla suit would come up to the bar for a refill. Everybody was used to the times and the characters. My favorite was a homeless guy named Paul who used to wear this big, heavy buffalo skin for a coat, complete with horns. I used to watch him sit down at the bar for supper and he would always turn the horns to the back so he could safely lean over a bowl of chili.

I think most of those guys died of exposure years ago.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 01:55:38 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Jon. If you were addressing me, i thought stopping just before " halfway" or after "sucked & fucked" woulda been much more advisable however, felt like going just a bit out. I think the past is still recent enough that we can blame Westie for it.
Rob, unfortunately I pay so little attention to what goes on on Cdbaby that what you stated is possibly correct and I will take a look eventually. If being able to prevent single downloads of tracks is possible it does at least require the purchaser to buy the entire projct if he wants the particlaur track. At this point in digitality, That will either alienate the purchaser, or require him to purchase the entire recording. which may still not result in him hearing the other tracks. He may just burn a disc from the download and then ignore the remailders.

Nothing against salamanders, i always found them to be creatures worthy of sympathy , what with litle buggers catching them and putting them in jars or juice cans.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 01:08:28 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.12)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Hats off to John Donabie, a gentleman and a scholar.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 00:28:00 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David P. Didn't know that. In another case in the UK, an initial ruling seems (I heard it in passing on the radio last week) to hold the IP responsible for pirated or illegal content. The test case involved a video streaming site in The Seychelles and The King's Speech. The test case was against the UK's biggest broadband provider, British Telecom. If this hold ups, copyright holders will be able to seek redress from the IP for passing through copyright material.


Entered at Thu Aug 4 00:01:45 CEST 2011 from (41.97.149.157)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Everyone is entitled to their perception of the internet. I conceived it fully as a technology of communication and I felt blessed. my experience in The Band GB taught me how the internet vibes according to the persons, some like Al Edge were prepared or disposed or quickly learned to master at the perfection the technology in question. It's incredible, but I used to think when I am alone that the person's background is for something to fit or unfit the internet. It would be fallacious to believe that at the same starting line, some were tooled with an innate ability to jump more comfortably on the web. At the opposite side of Al Edge some other persons (it is very easy to individualize with names just browsing The Band GB past regulars) just filled the world wide web with shit, maybe they understood it as an ideal place to pour the excess of shit. The examples don’t lack also on the usual places of the rest of the internet.

Bon, any intermediary alternate kind of perception deserves my respect. if one's perception of the internet is mainly a system where to earn or to lose money, then the whole thing is reduced to no more than a high-tech souk, and the souk has its laws and its traditions. it is the open wide public market where everybody who comes will at the end of the day have much more or much less money in pocked, according to which side the win(d) blows.

My reading of the current feel of The Band GB

What originated as just a technical rule from one of the major creators of the internet , you cited Jon Postel (1943-1998) – hat off, everybody – seems paradoxically over the years moving towards the alternate formulation, and seen by the vulgar as the true Jon Postel's major vestige left :

Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others.

It is the reason why the whole thing works, i.e. why computer networking is reliably operational. The principle should be adopted a life guideline for modern times, transcending the bounds of pure computer networking

Awesome video in the link above


Entered at Wed Aug 3 23:36:10 CEST 2011 from (92.238.33.140)

Posted by:

Rob the Organ

Subject: Jeff

Jeff, former GLC leader and Mayor of London Ken Livingstone breeds Salamanders. Just thought you might appreciate that.

Agree with much of your sentiment too - but one aspect of downloading music is paramount for me: the facility of folks to choose which tracks to buy rather than an album as a body of work. I haven't used download providers like iTunes (with or without CDBaby) to sell music myself yet so it is interesting for me. Do you not have control over what is downloadable as a single track? I thought you did as some songs are marked "available as part of whole album purchase only", aren't they?


Entered at Wed Aug 3 22:35:10 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Other Side Of The Coin

Brien Sz: Relating to your point of using the technology towards a positive effect, media companies are striking profitable deals to share their programming content with online providers. In announcing large increases in profits in today's business news, CBS and Comcast are citing licensing agreements they've entered into with Netflix and Amazon to allow programming to be streamed online.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 22:21:13 CEST 2011 from (70.53.60.108)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Just saw this on the Jazz FM webste - Question: Which book will hit the newsstand first - Robbie's or John's?

Au Revoir John Donabie

"John Donabie, host of our AM show "Good Morning", is leaving the JAZZ.FM91 family as of Friday, July 29th.

John's decision to leave comes from his wish to spend more time with his family, write a book based on his experiences in broadcasting and finally, after years of being an early riser, sleep in.

We are sorry to see John Donabie go. Best wishes from all of us JD !”


Entered at Wed Aug 3 21:08:35 CEST 2011 from (70.53.60.108)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: No Clubs less dough

Jeff………I agree with your sentiment (discounting the last sentence of your last post!)….indeed, in many ways digital has been the devil……..but it is here – its arrived – and as long as we are going to have platforms like Youtube, I would rather correct some issues that they might have rather than cheeri on their demise…………………..My sadness and it does stem from the laptop and like devices being portable is the under 30’s just not supporting live music which means that most cities in US and Canada now only provide music 3 nights a week – if that – rather than 5 or 6 nights a week…….On the positive side, vinyl is making a bit of a comeback and satellite radio is a welcome option compared to the rigid and restricted playlists that FM rock radio has been for 30 years.

Welcome back Norm.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 20:53:19 CEST 2011 from (92.238.33.140)

Posted by:

Rob the Organ

Subject: Jed

A Hofner! Good work, sir...


Entered at Wed Aug 3 20:45:54 CEST 2011 from (24.44.103.67)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

You can fight the tide all you want but the technology is here to stay. You can't reverse it. There may be ammends but reversal - no way. Digital is the devil if you wish it to be. If you are going to be negative nannies about it you are only going to continue to attract that negativity back. You might as well learn to reset the way you want to approach technology and use it towards a positive effect. Sure things may not always work your way but fighting the tide will leave you exhausted, you will then drown and become extinct.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 20:32:23 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

...You had me going until that last part.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 20:30:52 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Money for nothing and chicks for free...

It was 30 years ago last Monday that MTV was launched and now it seems that they too have suffered at the hands of Web providers.

The EMI/Capitol/Virgin recording labels have filed a copyright infringement suit against Vimeo, a video-sharing website competitor of YouTube. It's my understanding that the district court judge in that case recently stayed the proceedings, waiting to see how the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals rules in the Viacom v. YouTube case.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 20:10:49 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Fiend0

Kevin, when someone buys a download from iTunes a single track pays somewhere between 63 cents and a buck.It's the least for US purchasee, higher for Europe, Australia, etc. Mine are adminstered by CDBaby, and I never bnothered to ask them the exact amount, they take 9% off the top. Next release I'll probably use tunecore for digital distribution.

Kind of a funny deal. Because CDBaby gets thing in ItUnes quicker than a soudn recordign owner (here meaning artist or indie label) can on his own, I used CdBaby the first time. The second time m when I went straight to ITunes they told me to use Cdbaby again. /n Anyroad, ItUnes sound still sucks compared to real sound. Secondly, the propensity for people to dismiss tracks and just buy the ones they like immediately really hurts music in general.Not just the artists & labels income. Think on how many records or full discs you own and the songs on them that you did not like at first but love later. That is one of the powerful things about arecord. even a cd.ut especially a record. It is called interaction. The real, full sound is important, But interaction is irreplaceable. That is the problem with digital bullshit. It ain't real. Sure, the half assed, diluted world gets bigger. but the real world gets diluted, dissipated, halfway fucked and sucked, and the sperm shoots on the recycled pastic rear seat floor mat and some automaton foodcrumb insect salamander is conceived.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 20:02:47 CEST 2011 from (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hey It's Good!

To be back home again.....oooh yes it is.

Mixed emotions. Jan, we all feel for your people, I was almost sick to my stomach with hearing of this horrifying event. Being at sea for over two weeks, I haven't heard much news.

Even tho' I had pretty beautiful weather, two round trips of 500 miles each out to the west coast and back, has worn me out.

I need you guys to google sun fish, and look at some pictures, "mola mola" they are called. The biggest boney fish on the planet, average adult weight, 2200 pounds. They are the stupidest looking fish. They look like some one started building a fish, got half finished and quit.

Any way some times out on the west coast you see them. They just kind of float around on top of the water. So, a couple days ago, I'm just above Cape Cook, and I see that big fin flip up, and I go SHIT!, a sun fish! The water is very clear out there. It is so close as I come by, it almost brushes the side of my tug. I grab my camera.....my fucking battery was dead! I hadn't charged it.

I see Al is keeping every body on the EDGE!

David! I'm sure you'll remember this. Willie Nelson did this song many years back. Some how it "wormed it's way into my head the other day, and WILLNOT leave. Maybe because of my Suze.

Sue city Sue, my Sue city Sue, there ain't no gal as sweet as my sweet Sue city Sue.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 19:30:52 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Tim Last Waltz Bluray review

Did the reviewer actually watch the movie? He says it opens with a shot of Robertson playing pool. Duh! it makes one wonder...


Entered at Wed Aug 3 19:11:21 CEST 2011 from (99.89.226.221)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

The devil is digital. The internet has done mega times far more damage to musical artist's income than good. You Tube is a huge part of that. what has happened to the music business,which includes the livlihood of artists, including artists on the rise, via the efects of file sharing, downloading of muisc, and you tube, is irrversible, saddening, and disgusting. New bands had a better chance in the past. Plus the level of musicianship and the quiality of the msuic made was far better as result of the gauntlet ran. This present "gauntlet", is toothless, less rewarding,self congratulating, and undiscriminating.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 18:08:08 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Who's Tube?

Peter V: Are you aware that YouTube is owned by Google? Shortly after the $1.65 billion stock swap purchase, Viacom and a group of other film/video copyright holders (including the Premier Football League) filed a $1 billion infringement lawsuit against YouTube & Google. Last year a U.S. District Court judge ruled in favor of the defendants and dismissed the suit, ruling essentially that they were entitled to immunity protection under the "safe harbor" provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The case is now on appeal to the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals, where the parties are arguing over the specific issues governing the liabilities of service providers who allow user generated content to be uploaded. Needless to say, a lot is a stake in this relatively new area of law relating to the internet. Other interested parties have sought to join in the still pending appeal by filing their take on the law through "friend of court" briefs.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 17:22:38 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Well, today my publisher issued 75 takedown notices to You Tube for the second time. Then they wait a week to see if they take them down then start again. Every notice requires filling out another form. They bind you in hours or days of red tape so people give up. It's calculated and deliberate.

Fine, it's a great platform to publicize new releases, put info on etc. And artists use it for this and it's good to have a platform to do it. But they're making money. They should filter stuff and only put up stuff approved by the copyright holder. The onus should be on the person displaying it to prove they have rights to do so. I had to send photocopies of contracts to Sony in the Uk before they would replicate DVDs for me. That's correct.

They know that putting up a photo of a 45 and then the original track is a clear breach.

And a musician friend tellsa he he really hates seeing shaky cell phone footage of his concerts being displayed. He'll provide decent live videos free as promotion, OK. But why should some arsehole with a cell phone or a mini camera assume the right to put up footage?


Entered at Wed Aug 3 17:03:51 CEST 2011 from (71.246.9.74)

Posted by:

bob w.

Jeff Newsom, we think of you and keep you in our prayers. Thank you for the gift of your wonderful music.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 16:56:33 CEST 2011 from (70.53.60.108)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Peter……..If ever there was an example of someone having to look past the end of their own nose…….really. ……let’s not romanticize the old days where record companies signed a few artists, ignored most and royally screwed the ones they did decide to inadequately compensate….Pray tell how someone would have turned a friend or thousands of friends as the case may be ( in a GB environment) on to the Danko/Fjeld/Andersen album pre Youtube………’Hey Phil, its Kevin……just heard a great album over at Wayne’s place…….head on over…….he’s in the basement……oh and by the way, watch out for the dog shit on the front lawn”……………………………I applaud all those that take pictures of old record sleeves and put op songs so that I can sample something I otherwise might never have had the opportunity to hear…..….the next step is to purchase from itunes which thousands do every day……………………………..This is completely different than ordering bootlegs and consciously deciding to bypass an artist or their estates…..Yes, Youtube has played loose with elements of copyright and what happened to you was wrong…..but the good for many in the music business has been overwhelming and should not be dismissed. Shutting it down is not the answer…that much I know.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 15:06:54 CEST 2011 from (68.198.223.205)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Instruments at home

Hoffner bass,fender strat,ESP electric,Roland mini cube amp,hondo acoustic,fender acoustic/ electric,crummy keyboard.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 13:22:25 CEST 2011 from (24.44.103.67)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

But Peter.., couldn't you also say that YouTube is a great source of free promotion for artists and such that they could have never dreamed of years ago. Yes, you are correct in your observation that a song gets thrown on there and people can view it and such for free but also people now have more access to get to know you. Artists can promote their brand for free and reach millions at little cost, with the hopeful effect of reaping in more money because they reach more people. I guess we can skin this apple anyway we want - I'll choose to look at it in a positive light.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 11:09:28 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

And yes, I know I've posted links frequently myself. It's so easy to do when you want to share a piece of music. I also think concert clips and bits of TV shows which (a) were never on sale (b) are not on sale now, are in a different league to a fuzzy still picture of a record sleeve and the audio track which was and is on sale elsewhere. It started with bits of old TV that had been taped, and you put up with the grainy quality.

And I know bands use it for promotion, posting high quality clips. Again, different ball game.


Entered at Wed Aug 3 11:05:29 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: "We just got screwed …"

I'm getting increasingly dubious about YouTube. OK, it was originally video clips and concert stuff and so on. Now so often it's just a picture of the record sleeve and the audio of the record … it's just what Jan had to take down here. I use it for reference now because it's easier to flick to YouTube than to sort through piles of records to find a track. I was doing it just now … I wanted to listen to the Tom Clay version of What The World Needs Now to quote something, and it was faster to go to YouTube than to look up the date, then look up the index of the Motown Complete Singles set, and find which CD it was on, put it in the drive and play it. So it's effectively a non-subscription instant access streaming of most music you might want to hear. No video, not an archive of lost film and shows, just a straight copyright evasion site.

Loads of my educational audio and video was put up, and I went through the rigmarole of registering as a copyright holder, scanning my signature etc. I submitted it three times and YouTube didn't respond nor remove the copyright material.

People go on about pirate websites in The Seychelles and Russia, but the biggest and worst offender, YouTube, is in the USA.

So if you buy a track from iTunes, the artist gets paid. No one gets anything from YouTube. People say, 'Ah, well … they've got lots of money …"

Really? Rick or Richard's families? I know I can't sell the video stuff that's pirated on YouTube anymore, and like many copyright owners, the fall in income is steep and tangible. Publishers now have to employ someone, often a department, just to deal with going through the hassle of asking YouTube to remove material which is clearly copyright. YouTube makes no effort to filter what goes up, makes income from adverts, then the copyright owners have to pay people to ask YouTube to obey the law. As my publisher told me, you spend an hour asking them to take it down. They do if a big publisher requests it. It's back up two days later posted by someone different.

The point is already here where young bands aren't going to earn any money except through concerts. So no XTC, or Peter Gabriel, or Sufjan Stevens or a host of musicians whose environment is the studio not the stage. No more Sergeant Pepper's, but lots of live renditions of Johnny B. Goode?

I used YouTube for reference about four times yesterday, but if it were shut down … as it should be … I'd raise a mighty cheer.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 23:58:48 CEST 2011 from (24.218.200.216)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: The Last Waltz Blu Ray review


Entered at Tue Aug 2 22:37:17 CEST 2011 from (70.53.60.108)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Danko/Fjeld/Andersen - Last Thing on My Mind

......When you are 350 miles from your record collection and the ipod is missing...Youtube will do nicely thank you.....a lovely one at above link from a fine fine album...highly recommnded for those few who might not have listenned to it.

Not to pile on....but has there ever been a more ineffective negotiator in the history of politics than Obama? Sad to see really.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 22:14:29 CEST 2011 from (92.238.33.140)

Posted by:

Rob the Organ

Subject: Bill & Todd

Or whoever else I confused...you all get the general idea, anyway.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 22:04:30 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronna

Subject: Hamilton selling itself on music's back ...

For reasons that had nothing to do with music, my wife picked up a copy of "Experience Hamilton: 2011/2012 Tourist Guide". What caught my eye was an article titled "Music is Deeply Embedded", which starts as follows:

"Local entertainment critic and rock aficionado, Graham Rockingham, suggests the 'rock 'n' roll never really hit Canada until that day in 1958 when Ronnie Hawkins stepped out of his Cadillac to play the first night of a two-week engagement at Hamilton's Golden Rail saloon.' Fast forward 53 years and Hamilton is still rockin' and has the bona fides to prove it, launching the careers of notable artists such Rick Danko and the Band, Daniel Lanois, Neil Perrt of Rush, Skip Prokop of Lighthouse, Teenage Head, Jackie Washington, King Biscuit Boy and Crowbar, Junkhouse and The Arkells."

It's actually the second sentence that I like, especially putting Rick at the head of the class. The first sentence is correct in saying '58 and the Golden Rail, but Hamilton has even less claim to speak for Canada than Toronto does. Groups were playing rock and roll and or rockabilly all over the place pre-Hawkins and a decent number had gone so far as to release records. Hell, Frank Motley and the Motley Crew had played the very same Golden Rail in '53 when they first toured into Canada, and again in '55 when they moved here.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 19:36:47 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: past presents

. . . just reading a feature (called "Showbits") in the local paper . . . .
"Today in music history: In 1962, singer-songwriter Robert Allen Zimmerman legally changed his name to Robert Dylan." . . .
"Born this day: . . . Garth Hudson, 1937 . . . . "

And may there be many, many happy returns of the day!


Entered at Tue Aug 2 19:29:38 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Lyme Regis …

Hmm. Might go tomorrow or Friday. Glad you enjoyed it. If only it had a decent secondhand record shop it would be perfect. Still, Bridport has a very good independent new record shop and it's not far away.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 19:07:46 CEST 2011 from (108.41.170.6)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Musical Instruments

Piano, Buffet clarinet, Martin D35 Guitar, nylon string guitar,mandolin, banjo, autoharp, electric guitar (never used) tamborine. recorder. Most belong to the spouse so I don't know all the brands.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 17:36:18 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Biffalo B: Nice report from the field. Among other things, it's always nice to hear instances of offspring picking up their parent's good taste in music.

Peter V: Biffalo's mention of Lyme Regis reminded me that I'd meant to mention last post that Robbie's response about not knowing where a song would go once you've started it reminded me of a point that John Fowles made in both of the two books of his that I can stand - "French Lieutenant's Woman" and "Mantissa". Especially the latter, where it's pretty much the whole point.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 15:48:32 CEST 2011 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

RtO: I'm sure that Todd is as offended as I am that you've gone and confused the two of us. I've never paid much attention to the Dead's music and have few thoughts on the subject.

Jan H: Yes, welcome back. Thanks especially for posting the interview with Robbie, which I think reflects well on both the interviewer and the interviewee. Robbie certainly comes across as having a sharper memory and clearer sense of context than other available experts. As I've noted before, Dylan ahd Grossman stablemates Ian and Sylvia appear to have had a strong bond. They covered his songs early and material that appeared on their early albums (especially the second) figured in the basement sessions with Robbie, Garth, Rick and Richard (and maybe Levon later on) - "Four Strong Winds", "Royal Canal" and "Spanish Is The Loving Tongue" being the ones that come to mind.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 15:46:56 CEST 2011 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: TMI

RtO: my missus has endless drawers as well, but I don't go on about it . . . .


Entered at Tue Aug 2 15:35:18 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Band's Finest Songs...

.....as selected by some of their most ardent devotees.

I've now totted it all up. It's a very close run thing for 1st position between two songs and again for 3rd place between two songs.

All told 30 fans have made their selections and there have been 48 different Band songs selected.

As I've repeatedly pointed out each fan's selection is scored 10 points for their first and one point for their tenth choice.

So...with a solitary point or two separating these top positions I'm loathe to close it finally until huge fans such as the likes of JH, DP, JD, Adam, Charlie Young and Jeff Alexander have made their selections as a point or two either way could change things.

I'll leave it open another week but if any or all of the folks I've mentioned - or any others - aren't going to bother then let us know.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 14:16:23 CEST 2011 from (59.101.55.46)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Instruments at home...

1 Yamaha RGZ electric guitar prototype

1 Ibanez RB electric bass

1 JBovier solidbody mandolin

1 Crafter RG 75 (I think) acoustic mandolin

1 Cort acoustic guitar

1 clarke pennywhistle, 1 walton pennywhistle, 1 feadog pennywhistle

1 Set of electric drums

1 melodeon

I think that's it... If only I played them well...


Entered at Tue Aug 2 13:59:19 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Happy b'day, Garth Hudson!


Entered at Tue Aug 2 13:20:41 CEST 2011 from (82.42.175.156)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: I've never discussed my instrument in public...

...far too embarrassing

:-0)


Entered at Tue Aug 2 12:57:11 CEST 2011 from (92.27.12.147)

Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: the U.K. is ok

thank you to Roger, we drove to st. austell to look for the theatre, but now understand that it is a roving theatre, and like alot of our plans we didn't find it. we did make it to the Minack Theatre, after the tractor let me pass, had the road jammed up for a few minutes. did the french make you people drive on the wrong side of the road. anyhow we ditched the car rental in exeter, but not before a side trip to Lyme Regis, great suggestion Peter. i could live in that town, the bakery was an experience and certainly buzzing, and my favourite was just sipping coffee and listening to the songs they were playing, blues and country. there was a roast sandwich restaurant towards the esplanade, and the roast pork was on display, and the chicken and stuffing was just pulled out of the oven, ahhh, heaven. had a lovely four days, at the isle of wight, did not realise it was that hilly, and now we are in better shape for having walked to and from bonchurch to ventnor, several times. it is now nice to ensconced in our son's and daughter's flat here in london, for the next ten days. more to see, and lots that will not be seen. on a band note, got to tell a Garth Hudson accordian joke to Aberdeen organist Roger Williams and Family, they laughed. lovely, humble man, and great family. daughter emailed from wasaga beach, mentioned that a bar in collingwood was playing "the shape im in" when she and friends walked in, she requested more Band music, and they responded with a house rocking version of "don't do it" i guess i should shut my gob, and say cheerio


Entered at Tue Aug 2 10:10:40 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Rock & roll Joes

I've commended this Chip Taylor / John Platania / Kendell Carson concept album before, notably for its song about Richard Bell: The union Song (We Just Got Screwed & It Keeps Getting Better). It's going to be one of my albums of the year. The spoken voice over music end section "Rock & Roll Joe (Reprise)" has them talking about their influences and teachers. Kendell Carson has some nice stuff about her ancestors playing fiddle at barn dances on the Canadian prairies.

Anyway, music teachers go the other way too. When my younger son was twelve he wanted a drum kit. We got him one. i explained the drums, and got him playing along with records with the bass pedal first and adding stuff. He loved it. Then he wanted lessons. He had three from a guy who covered pages of manuscript paper with beat patterns and exercises and after that he never touched drums again. They're still in the attic. I should give them to some club or school band, now I think. In contrast, my daughter learned piano from a girl (only about 18 herself) who was using a 'play by ear' system, and had her picking Kylie Minogue tunes (she was eleven) from very early on. That really worked!


Entered at Tue Aug 2 07:29:49 CEST 2011 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: instruments at home

1 Washburn mandolin, 1 Fender mandolin,a Tokai Strat copy, A Gibson Ripper Bass, A Morris Tornado acoustic, a chinese accordion, an old Kawai synth and a few broken bits and pieces.


Entered at Tue Aug 2 02:21:05 CEST 2011 from (92.238.33.140)

Posted by:

Rob the Organ

Web: My link

Subject: David P / Silvertone & Norbert

David, further to your Dano/Silvertone musings, this is right up my alley as I am a hardened collector of Harmony guitars. Often written off as cheap due to their catalogue/department store output, I have found them to be immensely playable and sound fantastic: pickups by DeArmond and a genuine Bigsby where a tremolo is offered.

I favour 335-shaped guitars and you may well recall the H75 series that offered three pickups. My wife has been very understanding as I have picked up a few of them! And with good reason: probably the last remaining American brand where you can pick up a vintage classic for little more than the price of a nrand new Chinese jazz guitar. My collection is linked, and since then I have acquired one more: a three pickup like some of the others but a rare variant made for (resonator firm) Regal.

Having played nothing but SGs and Telecasters, these have been a real breath of fresh air and I totally credit their different feel and influence for me going from having written two songs in my first 30 years to about three albums worth of stuff by 37.

Norbert - add a Fender bass and two Telecasters, two mandolins, a melodeon, a Hammond A100, Wurlitzer piano and two Lowrey organs and I have answered your "what instruments at home" question. Oh, and the wife's endless drawers and boxes of harmonicas and her tenor sax.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 23:50:05 CEST 2011 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Subject: News section

Welcome back, Jan! Thanks for all the updates.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 23:22:18 CEST 2011 from (79.202.173.226)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Music

But it will come back, afterall music is the bridge between our feeling and our thinking.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 23:12:07 CEST 2011 from (79.202.173.226)

Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: What Music instruments do you have at home?

Just saw this thread on a Dutch site “What Music instruments do you have at home”.

I just demolished our old piano (no one would buy the thing). Leaves the old guitar on the attic (if it’s still there, or did I put that in the stove too? come to think of it I'm more a music breaker then a music maker) but maybe the harmonica of my late father is somewhere in the house (at least he could play one song). There you have it, and we only play CD’s in the car (some holydays) only some YouTube’s at home, some radio maybe. A poor musical experience at the moment here. We're more concerned about the meaning of it all at the moment :-). But some songs (Van, Band, Dylan) are burned inside my head and that’s enough I guess ... Hm.

Peter & David thanks for the Crazy H. info.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 22:00:09 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

RtO: Los Lobos' performance of "Bertha" goes back even before Jerry Garcia's death, as they recorded a great cover version for the 1991 Grateful Dead tribute album "Deadicated". That CD is also noteworthy for the rousing cover of "Casey Jones" by Warren Zevon & David Lindley.

Joey Spampinato was among the musicians that Keith Richards picked to back Chuck Berry for the "Hail! Hail! Rock 'n Roll rocumentary concert, as his bass style was a perfect fit.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 21:18:52 CEST 2011 from (99.141.18.33)

Posted by:

Adam

And "*truly sad."


Entered at Mon Aug 1 21:16:44 CEST 2011 from (99.141.18.33)

Posted by:

Adam

Some typos there, sorry. *"I'll never forget".


Entered at Mon Aug 1 21:13:49 CEST 2011 from (99.141.18.33)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Wilco

I had truly special experiences with both Jay Bennett and Leroy Bach, who both previously played in Wilco. I took lessons from Leroy Bach for a good year or so, about a couple of years ago now. He is a great musician and teacher.

I'll never forgot my experience with Jay Bennett a couple years ago. I had been a huge fan of his playing, and had tried several times to get in touch with him via the internet. He eventually sent me a very kind and supporting email, and some months later even called me personally on the phone to talk about music and questions I had for him. He played a gig at Fitzgerald's in the Chicago area a couple of years ago when an album of his came out, and I got to talk to him there too. He was so nice to me, and gracious, and even suggested that we meet up sometime and maybe arrange some music lessons at his place. He mailed me a poster from that gig, lovingly signed and customized with his pen. It was just such beautiful gestures from a great musician. As time went on and my musical tastes changed and evolved (around the same time I became a full time Band fanatic), those plans just fell through I guess and I never really followed up on it. It was truly said when Bennett died 2 years ago. My experience with him will remain a treasured memory, and a reminder of how nice, considerate, encouraging, and just unbelievably kind a great musician who I admired really was to me.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 20:51:50 CEST 2011 from (92.238.33.140)

Posted by:

Rob the Organ

Web: My link

Subject: More bass talk / Bill M (Grateful Dead)

Ah, the Danelectro bass. On the face of it, a cheap piece of rubbish but actually deceptively funky and a recording favourite. I like NRBQ a lot and agree that Joey Spampampiniampiniatiampinato's tone owes much to the humble Dano (or Silvertone, or whatever version he has around his neck at any given moment).

Not a deep sound, and thus quite percussive and cutting on a mix, hence their esteem particularly in a recording environment. John Entwhistle used them for the distinctive part on "My Generation" but the only trouble was that the build quality wasn't up to the Ox's muscular treatment and legend has it that he got through four or five of them while cutting the track. He stuck to a regular Fender for a few years after that, but of course eventually had one of the largest and most notable bass and guitar collections the world ever knew.

I think my aversion to the sound of some (fretted) players is the tone of the instrument. Gibson basses, with few exceptions, are far more wooly and flabby than a Fender and allow little scope for dynamics. That's where the Bruce/Pappalardi thing is not my cup of tea: too thick and lacking in dynamic punch, over compensated for by sheer power. Andy Fraser is the exception; his tone could be nothing but a Gibson and yet he has all the touch and expressiveness most fail to get. Danko, of course, toted a Gibson in the late 70s but by then I think Gibson had sorted their sound out a bit.

Bill, you're right in the fact that Eyes of the World is not one of my favourites but it is so distinctive a piece that I can see immediately why the opposite is true for many folk. From Europe '72 era I'd go for Brown Eyed Women or Ramble On Rose, I think. Bertha is also a favourite of mine and I note that Los Lobos have taken to performing since Garcia's death (link)' hardly a surprise given the camaraderie Garcia & Hidalgo enjoyed.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 19:26:29 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

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David P

Subject: Lipstick Traces On A Fretted Bass

One of my favorite bass players, Joey Spampinato of NRBQ, got a great dampened, acoustic bass-like sound using an old Danelectro/Silvertone "Shorthorn" bass. This standard electric bass (with frets) was originally an inexpensive model sold through Sears, featuring a cheap Masonite/plywood body and a lipstick tube pickup. I think he later switched to a modern replica model of that style bass.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 18:06:18 CEST 2011 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

Subject: Fret ye not

Funnily, I was reading Jools Holland’s autobiography today, which I’ve been dipping into for ages. He describes how they discovered Pino Palladino in 1980 and recruited him for The Millionaires. Then in one of the mags they’re running a “20 key sounds in rock” feature and they do fretless bass (in fact knocking Pino’s use with John Paul Young as becoming a cliché – don’t remember enough of John Paul Young to comment). But that’s about as far back as they go. I love acoustic bass and fretless bass well-played. My comment on farting noises refers to British pub rock, but maybe it's something in the beer.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 17:51:32 CEST 2011 from (69.182.79.188)

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Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Wilco

David P, Yes. It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but I was lucky enough to see it in a theatre when it first came out during a limited run at art-house type theatres. I think that ultimately Jay and Jeff clashed because even though they were equally creative in my opinion, they both wanted to steer the ship, and it was always going to be Jeff’s band. I think they thrived on that energy for a while, but it ultimately got in the way of their ability to work together.

I also really like the Mavis Staples disc that Tweedy produced and played on. I think that most of it was recorded clunhouse style at the Wilco loft in Chicago. I read an interview with Mavis in which she said that Tweedy even had her record one of her vocals in a stairwell to take advantage of the natural reverb.

As experimental as Tweedy can be when he’s in his Sonic Youth mode, I think that he always has one foot planted firmly in tradition, and that’s one of the things that appeal to me.

Yes Pat on the keyboards. I read once that Jay Bennett essentially taught himself how to play piano for the recording of ‘Being There’ and expanded upon it for ‘Summerteeth’ to great effect. Leroy Bach is another player who I miss from those days. Real versatile musician who plays keyboards and guitar and is an all around great “utility infielder”. You probably know or knew some of these guys from the Chicago area.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 17:23:58 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.12)

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Pat B

Todd, I agree with you on Wilco really peaking around Summerteeth. Addition of keyboards is my guess. You are correct about Tweedy too.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 17:21:24 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

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David P

Web: My link

Subject: Wilco

Todd: The rocumentary "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart: A Film About Wilco" is very revealing about the group dynamic between Jeff Tweedy & Jay Bennett. Link above to video of Wilco performing "The Weight" with the Levon Helm Band. And Jeff Tweedy took some time off the road with Wilco to produce Mavis Staples' excellent album "You Are Not Alone".


Entered at Mon Aug 1 17:20:50 CEST 2011 from (68.164.5.12)

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Pat B

Todd, I actually don't care what instruments people play as long as they play them well. I don't discount an instrument simply because it is.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 16:20:56 CEST 2011 from (69.182.79.188)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Monday Morning Quarterbacking

Bill M, ‘Soul Of A Man’ was my choice for an Ollabelle inclusion on my top 30 list for a couple of reasons, with Amy Helm’s vocal being the first. The second reason was the unique bass sound which was achieved by Bryon using a bottleneck slide on his Electric Fender Bass. It was the first time I’d ever seen a glass slide used on a bass guitar and it made for a haunting underpinning to the sound of the song. Heck, RTO might even like the treatment, since they didn’t try to do it with the maligned fretless bass.

I actually learned a lot from last week’s fretless vs. fretted vs. jazz-fusion controversy.

1 - RTO does NOT like fretless bass.
2 - Pat B does like fretless bass.
3 - Peter V thinks that a fretless standup bass in the wrong hands can sound like a “muffled sliding series of farts”.
4 - Todd thinks that if your name is Jaco, Pino, or anything else somewhat exotic sounding (as opposed to Bob, Frank, or Bill) that you have an automatic leg up on the competition, and you may as well include fretless bass in your arsenal. Furthermore if your last name is Zawinul you can play whatever you want on a keyboard.

RTO, choosing one Grateful Dead entry for my list was a tough one. You probably wouldn’t have liked my choice as much if I had made my list in the late 1980’s when ‘Eyes Of The World’ was a personal favorite. Even though I had seen the Grateful Dead in concert, it wasn’t until I saw a local bar-band do a cover version of ‘China Cat Sunflower’ and something clicked for me. Other close contenders for me were ‘Bertha’ from Hundred Year Hall, and the live version or ‘Cumberland Blues’ from Europe ’72.

Kevin J, I had to make sure that I had at least one of The Replacements tracks on my list. Other possibilities were a live version of ‘Another Girl, Another Planet’, which actually is a favorite of mine, but I thought might be too obscure. Another close choice was ‘Can’t Hardly Wait’ which I also like quite a bit but I prefer the Tim (Electric Outtake) version to the proper release from ‘Pleased To Meet Me’.

I occasionally hear the opinion from people that Wilco is sub-par or overrated. That may or may not be true, but there’s something about them that works for me. I also liked Uncle Tupelo as well as the other spin-off group Son Volt. There’s also the pre or post ‘Yankee Hotel Foxtrot’ Wilco to consider. Prior to ‘Yankee Hotel Foxtrot’, they were less well known in the mainstream, and you could actually get decent tickets to see them in reasonably sized halls. For my money it was a better fan/band shared experience.

I’m happy for their success now (and the fact that Jeff Tweedy seems to be in a healthier place personally), but the Wilco that I liked the most musically was the line-up when the late Jay Bennett was with them on guitar (mostly) and keyboards. I feel that he was the one who helped to expand their sound from the very “alt-country” roots of their debut album ‘A.M.’ to the wider soundscape found on ‘Being There’ and ‘Summerteeth’. Aside from his instrumental and arranging contributions, he added some vocal harmony flavors to their sound (especially on Summerteeth) that seems to have borrowed to some degree from The Beach Boys. He was also very influential on the Woody Guthrie Mermaid Avenue project that they did with Billy Bragg.

Another thing that has always drawn me towards Wilco, is that Jeff Tweedy reminds me of Rick Danko in some ways. Not so much his singing voice or his playing, but there’s something there in his passion about music and wanting to make music over anything else.

Much like ‘Music From Big Pink’ had to grow on me a little when I first encountered it, the Wilco album ‘Being There’ was a similar experience. I bought it based on recommendations, and didn’t quite see what it was all about on first listen, but I could tell that there was something happening there, and it was worth sticking around for. I’m not saying that ‘Being There’ is an equivalent album to ‘Big Pink’, but my experience as a listener and one day “getting it” as an album, after repeated listening was rewarding.

Adam, I looked on the Stratton Entertainment Group website, and they mention that Dayton Stratton died on August 27, 1974. So the sense of loss must have still been very profound on the August 30, 1974 concert recording that you mentioned.



Entered at Mon Aug 1 15:59:35 CEST 2011 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Dude with a Crazy Heart

Jeff Bridges first met Kris Kristofferson, Stephen Bruton and Ronnie Hawkins, fellow cast members, on the set of the film "Heaven's Gate". No doubt, some late night jams and stories from the road were shared. Mr. Bruton, who played guitar with Mr. Kristofferson & other singers over the years, died shortly after the filming of "Crazy Heart". An accomplished singer & songwriter himself, he collaborated with his childhood friend from Texas T Bone Burnett on the film's soundtrack. He also helped coach Jeff Bridges on guitar technique. Many elements of the Bad Blake character were derived from Mr. Bruton's four decades as a touring musician.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 13:22:45 CEST 2011 from (216.114.128.38)

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Entered at Mon Aug 1 08:24:48 CEST 2011 from (99.141.22.135)

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Adam

Of course, I know there's not much to say about setlists from nearly 40 years ago and how we would have liked them to be different. But just thought that was interesting.


Entered at Mon Aug 1 03:21:06 CEST 2011 from (99.141.22.135)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Band setlists

I've been listening to the Aug. 30 1974 bootleg recording quite a bit. It's a very good recording of a great show at Nassau Coliseum with the Electric Flag opening. I read a vintage review of the concert online, and tellingly, the same complaints many of us have about the lack of excitement in the OQ's setlists were present in the review. In 1974, the meat and potatoes of the Band's set was material that was at least 4 years old or more, and would of course remain so in 1976. There are some select additions though that keep me satisfied. "Smoke Signal" is not really a great song per se, but it is an excellent vehicle for Robbie's guitar playing. As a guitarist I've always been indifferent/mildy unimpressed with Robbie's 1974 playing style, but I've really grown to love it. As we discussed, with the concerts in 1973 marking the Band's return to the stage, each member's playing style started to evolve in the second half of their career. Robbie, like Garth and the others, changed his equipment setup in '74 and his style evolved as well. He really makes a Strat sing, and his cleaner tone shows such clarity and definition in his choice of notes. Really inspiring and a breath of fresh air compared to what most guitarists might have been doing at the time. "Smoke Signal" from the Rich Stadium 1974 bootleg (w/ a drunken Eric Clapton on second guitar) also REALLY smokes - Levon (and maybe Richard?) starts off the song with a long, wild jungle rhythm on the drums and it never lets up. The song isn't a masterpiece, but it was a great live showcase. I would have liked them to keep it in the set consistently, as different/new songs proved rare additions to their setlists.

"Mystery Train" is also such a song. While the most number of Moondog songs played live occurred in 1973 at Watkins Glen, they probably felt the cover material wasn't suitable to remain in the sets constantly. But I think "Mystery Train" could have been an exception. As "Smoke Signal", it would be a very worthwhile addition and representing an album and a new song addition to the sets. On this Nassau '74 boot, there's a great version of "Mystery Train" which stunningly morphes into Garth's "Genetic Method". The transition is pretty stunning. The song rolls along and the whole band simulates a studio fade out, and it's brilliant. All the other instruments gradually fade out as Garth launches into his "Genetic Method". That's just stunning musicianship in my opinion. That "Mystery Train" / "Genetic Method" / Chest Fever" segue could have remained a real staple in the sets. They did that same segue at Wembley (though the only boot recording of that show is so unlistenable.) Of course they tried similar things on the '76 tour ("Dixie" giving way to "Genetic Method", and later "Acadian Driftwood" before "Genetic Method".) All were great, but I loved the "Mystery Train" one.

"Endless Highway" is also a great showcase for Robbie, and I think it's a good enough song that it should have remained a regular after it was introduced.


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