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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook September 2009


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Shangri-la Studios

For anyone on Facebook: Shangri-la studios has a Facebook page. They have some photos of the place. The kitchen looks like it did in TLW. There is a shot of the pool table too.Check it out if you get a chance


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Steve - I applaud your going green efforts. I think that is great. And I'm sure many of us would rather hear how you are contributing to the planet rather than hearing you complain about other people's efforts or lack thereof..., It's far more admirable to tend to your own garden rather than complain about how others tend theirs.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match of the things I've done within my community in comparison of what you are doing for yours.., there's no point and it's petty. I've shared some of my contributions in the past and have no desire to laundry list them. I simply commented on what is an apparent trend in your posting. Since I don't frequent here as often as I used to, maybe that's why your posts standout even more. They generally are antagonistic, disruptive of the flow of the room and don't produce much of any kind of positive feelings - except for your last post which was rather nice to read about.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Empty N: Thanks very much - for the thought, the link and the words. From the follow-on links at YouTube, I especially like "A-ttir i'3lan dug-jenna(l'oiseau celeste)". If you don't know it, you might seek out a song called "My Father Is The White Dove" from one of those Real World comps. A mash-up of various artists, including, in that case, Jane Siberry and Ayub Ogada. (I'm partial to anything by Ogada.)


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Posted by:

joe j

Great link Kevin. I think I'll pass it on to my kids. You never know.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Kevin

I really enjoyed that link. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Steve

Now you've got it Brien, cows have other interests, but I note, again, it's only when men of wealth and vast holdings get slagged that you rise up. But that's fine. No time to go into the list of my many ecologically worthy endeavors. I'll give you two though, quickly. I handed my engineering minded son Rob the task of researching and coming up with a plan for producing at least 50% of our household electricity needs with solar panels.

two of the barns already are off the grid, water is gravity, spring fed and the lighting is already solar.

The house of course requires much more power than just lighting so I handed it to a guy with a much more analytical mind than mine. We were hoping to get to it this fall but the barn work I'm doing took precedence. So it's slated for April.

We cut the CO2 production from the car by 2/3's two years ago with the Yaris.The year before that we replaced our fuel guzzling International 100 HP tractor with a fuel efficient Italian tractor that reduced CO2 emissions by 33% over the International.

Our next project after the solar panels will be to get back into a small windpower project. We'd lived with windpower for 2 years back in the late 80's but it was a rebuilt generator from the 30's and I spent far too much time 50 feet off the ground doing one handed repairs( I just never felt comfortable enough to let go with the second hand and depend completely on the safety harness. And except for repairing the old Dempster windmill I've done all that without leaving the planet. What have you done?


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Posted by:

David P.

Kevin J: Thanks for the wonderful link.

Putting things in historical perspective -- Other People's Music announced the release of "From Bacon Fat To Judgment Day" in 2005 and Sid Griffin's "Million Dollar Bash" was published in 2007. I would imagine Mr. Griffin was well underway with his research & interviews around the time of the former date, which also coincided with the release of "A Musical History".


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Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin J, that is a great link.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Complaining......

Reminds me of that story of Peter Grant (legendary manager of the mighty Led Zeppelin) walking up to Bob Dylan at an LA party in the 1970’s and introduced himself ….. “Hello, I’m Peter Grant, Manager of Led Zepellin” Dylan looked at him and replied “I don’t come to you with my problems, do I?”


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above is a really cool link to a guy who takes his dad on a trip to see a ramble….I enjoyed watching this….nice to see that Levon and his people have been so accommodating and supportive of young musicians......


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

So Steve - What, not enough ears on the farm to hear you complain so you have to share your constant complaining and criticism with us? What do you ever do about all the stuff you rant about besides rant about it?


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, at least 2 out of 3 things haven't changed might be more accurate, but it's all in the eye of the beholder.

For anyone who happens to get sucked into Mr. Cirque De Soleil's out of this world, Clown In Space Show, here's a few things to keep in mind as the world's greatest self promoting billionaire orbits the earth with his Russian astronauts and works U2 into his ground crew next week.

The founder of The One Drop Foundation who bills himself as the planet's tireless crusader for water conservation spent $38,000,000 to get himself this space platform from which to promote his Foundation, a foundation that has only budgeted $1,300,000 for water projects over the next 2 years. But his main goal as usual is self promotion so this probably makes fiscal sense.

One of the Space Clown's favorite stats is that 3rd world citizens use 2 liters of water a day on average while 1st world citizens use 200 liters.

Monsieur Laliberte, who owns 6 homes spread around the planet has one palatial estate on the south shore of Montreal. Last weekend during a downpour in Montreal one of The Space Clown's neighbor's called a local TV station to see if they'd be interested in filming the water guru's lawn watering system doing it's daily lawn soaking, which it does rain or shine. Kramer, was right, clowns are scary.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Some things never change

The Band Chronicles part 362: Garth refused to talk….Levon was friendly couldn’t be bothered cooperating……Robbie was helpful and courteous…..2009 looks a lot like 1977………minus the drugs and bellbottoms….


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: morning tune - Markunda, dedicated to Bill M

Band Connection: the kind of tunes only Bill M cares about in The Band GB


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Location: a world outside the world, but a whole world, loaded with own completeness*
Web: My link

Subject: Jimmy Cliff, North-African king, Middle-Eastern Politician, Scratch Lee Perry, The Band Steve and I

Great post Steve, but I wished more precision on the two decades ago war between Iran and Iraq, who were the good? who were the evil? …as for the upcoming war between Iran against Go_to_know_who_why, who will be the good? who will be the evil? just for I understand the news, not in the perspective to take a stand, we are often chosen and not chooser

I would like just add my grain of salt to that threadbare Reaggae discussion, with a mention of the astonishing Scratch Lee Perry, inventor of the “dub version” by the late 70’s when working for Island Records, I learned lately from a Reggae adept that Lee Perry last find is labeled “Hypno-Dub”, a thing I vaguely suspected Gnawa-Diffusion used in some of their tunes, as long as it is attested that the master Lee Scratch Perry is inimitable…
astonishing also I found the fact that Lee Perry got inspiration [link above] in comics cartoon, Kung-Fu and Western Spaghetti stories – not heard frequently on such a close nesting between Rock Music and comics books – To the question on the reasons behind the genre Lee says because “...good always conquers evil in these stories, and this is something that everyone including PutEmUp(Friend0) hopes will happen in the world.

*don’t tell anybody, I borrowed the “Location” title of this post from a short biography of Markunda Aures, a woman singer from “a world…”, maybe my next posting event… Jugurtha (160 – 104 BC) King of Numidia, capital Cirta (Constantine currently), from YU _‘G_WERTEN a Berber phrase meaning: “he is the bravest among his brothers”


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Posted by:

Pat B

But Jeff, if Garth is reticent about such things, how did you hear?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Apologies to PutEmUP (Friend0

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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jeff/friendo

Is that anywhere near Yennavelt?


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Location: Yemensvelte

Subject: Reach For The Sky ( Big Sky, that is)

Dlew, you left out a 0, and also got the meaning or evolution of my posting name completely wrong. While it is not important for anyone to remember, I have explained it several times. Also, I'm pretty serious about what I post. But alas, only Pat writes exactly what he means.

Hard to imagine, but it is still getting funnier & funnier around here.

Far as Garth not interviewing with Griffin about The BT, I know nothing about it, but I can say that i am sure there are some people referenced in this very GB, who are very happy that Garth is as reticent as he is about a variety of subjects.


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Posted by:

Peter V

We concur in our guesstimates.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: From Bacon Fat To Judgment Day

Peter, as Garth has hinted about the existence of Basement Tape material that hasn't surfaced yet, are we to surmise that OPM wants to keep certain surprises under wraps until the box set is finally released? This leads further to questioning whether licensing issues related to the Dylan material are part of the problem delaying the release.


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Posted by:

Peter V

David, I guess you know. Other People's Music, of the prospective 8 CD box set. I'm going to try to make a Coal Porters gig in December when they're playing near me, and I'll ask more then.


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Posted by:

Michael Mizeski aka Buck Bixby

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Subject: Rossevelt Stadium Concert

I was at one of those shows altough I dont recall which one.... mustve been all the herbs..... I'm sure they were billed with Beach Boys and Grateful Dead. Didnt care much for The Band until that show. I was blown away by them! When they got to "My biggest mistake was lovin you too much (Dont Do It)" I was hooked. Best LIVE band I ever saw. Been a big fan ever since and met Rick and Levon several times. Sigh, good old days.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Million Dollar Rehash

More notably, Dylan declined to be interviewed.

And who is the "they" who didn't want Garth to speak to Mr. Griffin about the Basement Tapes?


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Posted by:

Pat B

I don't know how much Levon could add to a history of the BT since he wasn't there for almost all of them. The songs on the official release with him are all overdubs or re-records, but he did do a number of early Band songs in the basement after Dylan went to Nashville.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Million Dollar Bash

Bashful Bill: I forwarded your post and I heard back from Sid Griffin, who tells me he tried to get an interview with Garth but couldn’t get access for various reasons, connected with the hopefully forthcoming Levon & The Hawks box set. They didn’t want Garth to speak to him about the tapes era. He did get a lot of first hand interviews, including that bit about the Hawks living at the Gramercy Park NOT the Chelsea Hotel in NYC. He said Robbie spoke with him two or three times, and was most helpful and a real gentleman and that he deeply appreciated Robbie giving him so much of his time. Levon had wished him well with the project, but wasn't in the mood to discuss the history of The Band at that point.

More interesting though is that Sid is currently working on a new book on the Renaldo & Clara / Rolling Thunder revue / Hard Rain / Desire era Dylan, which is due out next April. No doubt Ronnie will be more forthcoming!


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: From Q To U

Tom Waits' Friday interview was supposed to be this week's highlight on Q but Jian just announced he'll be interviewing The Belfast Cowboy on Thursday.


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Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: brown eyed girl & JTull Fan

BEG: From one RRian to another -Thanks again for all the Robbie links.

JTull Fan: A nap?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Legend of Ivanhoe "Rhyging" Martin

In a sad coincidence with Jimmy Cliff's RHoF nomination, the Jamaican playwright Trevor Rhone passed away two weeks ago. Mr. Rhone co-wrote the screenplay for "The Harder They Come" along with the director/filmmaker Perry Henzell.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: War, What Is It Good For

The "Good War" is finally becoming undeniably obvious as another example of a waste of lives and money. The Afghan election, which was decided in NY City on the weekend, will finally give Obama the chance to start bringing an end to this vain attempt at massive cultural change.

More than 7 years of killing has done nothing but temporarily remove some religiously insane criminals from power and reinstall the gangsters who ran the country before them. At least now Obama has a good reason to cancel any more troops heading there. When will we ever learn?

As all the foolishness went on at The UN on the weekend about Iran I was reminded of Joni's song about the seasons going round and round and the painted ponies going up and down and being captured on the carousel of life. Everybody just changes ponies and the circle goes round and round.

What brought on the image was the idiot from Iran talking about The Jews. It was slightly more than two decades ago that Israel was supplying Iran with weapons to fight Iraq and Iran was giving Israel info on Iraq in exchange. Everybody get ready to change ponies.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: the mink

The contestant probably was thinking of the song "By The Devil I Was Tempted". If that song was indeed by the Mink, it's the only one that comes to mind. Much snazzier name than The Band though.


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Posted by:

Fred

Blue Mink?!? LOL!! Yes, educational standards have been in a state of perpetual decline worldwide for a long time...the day I received my university degree is widely believed to be the start of said decline (or so my good ol' Dad believed).

; )

Still had The Band named themselves "Blue Mink" we (as Band fans) wouldn't be subjected to the perennial "Band? What Band?" (or any variation on that theme). : (


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Posted by:

Peter V

BBC Radio 2 Quiz Question yesterday morning. They played Aretha Franklin’s The Weight and asked the caller who had had the original 1968 hit with the same song. He answered “Blue Mink.” What's education coming to in this country?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Don’t forget that UB40 are the band with the fourth largest number o UK chart entries (according to the charts books).

Mick Jagger gets himself on the picture sleeve of Peter Tosh’s Don’t Look Back single too. It was on “Rolling Stones Records” and unlike The Beatles (Mary Hopkin, James Taylor, Billy Preston, Jackie Lomax, Badfinger, Ronnie Spector, Doris Troy etc), The Stones showed little interest in releasing other artists, one record by Kracker, a couple of solo Bill Wyman, that’s all. A few comments were made about “vanity labels” versus “record labels”, Apple being a genuine example of the latter, while Rolling Stones Records was the former. This is when Keef persuaded Peter Tosh to join the label, but Mick still managed to insert his presence on the picture sleeve.

In the UK, there are over thirty 3 x CD box sets of Trojan reggae on release from Sanctuary. A few Trojan chartbusters CDs makes any journey more pleasant. I got into the LPs sometime BW (before The Wailers) after reading a Paul McCartney interview where he said he bought every Trojan sampler LP as soon as they came out.

Trojan singles were not sold in quantity through normal record stores in the UK, but often at West Indian barbers and grocers. In an era when 30,000 copies of a 45 would give you a Top 20 chart placing, Trojan regularly sold that many singles without getting into the charts. So the LP samplers at monthly intervals rounded up twelve records that had sold well through West Indian channels, and the LPs went through the regular stores to non-Afro Caribbean audiences. Mainstream chart success for the singles often came after the sampler.

Trojan was launched by Island in July 1967 originally for the Jamaican productions of Duke Reid, taking its name from the Leyland Trojan trucks which trundled his huge sound system around the island. Reid had Trojan King of Sounds painted on the trucks, and had used the name for a 78 rpm label. So Trojan was nothing to do with the American brand of condom. But it meant that to American ears it was the equivalent of being named Durex Records. And ironically, like Durex in Britain in the sixties, Trojan Records were sold in (West Indian) barber’s shops.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Avett Brothers

Just saw the Avett Brothers on David Letterman - RRHOF 2035 if we can get a good jury in place by then - Wow!


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: speaking of Maud....

Happy birthday to a cool lady. My girlfrind's name is just like your's only with an "e" at the end.....Someone mentioned the Basement Tapes. I only a couple days ago finished reading Million Dollar Bash, which I recommend - a good read. Plenty of comments from Sebastion's Dad, & a couple quotes from Levon's book, but unfortunately nothing from Garth, and I wonder why. He not only was of course the man pushing the buttons on the machines but he's the archivist and likely the most knowlegeble about each and every snippet of music on those tapes. I can't imagine that Sid Griffin didn't want Garth's input so I can only guess that Garth declined to be involved. Any opinions around here as to why?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: RRHOF part 3

The sad story of Lucy of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" fame dying so young of Lupas and the revelation that Julian Lennon had been so good at keeping in touch with her and doing what he could to help her during her difficult period just confirmed what I had always felt - he is a special person.

Juxtapose the good feeling of that story with the images of those kids in Chicago standing by while another friend was beaten to death and one wonders about what the hell is going on....

RRHOF: The Chilli Peppers get in on the brilliance of guitarist John Frusciante alone....but if so then why not the great bands and works associated with Mick Ronson......and if Peter can give thumbs up to Hollies - then how come Guess Who are not accorded the same respect....Genesis 1970-1976 were interesting and in some ways innovative...but the thought of Phil Collins sharing a Hall of Fame with the likes of Chuck Berry, Beatles, the Band, Bob Dylan, Sex Pistols is enough to make any one want to pack a blow torch on any future trip to Cleveland!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Toronto question for BEG

BEG, I am thinking of taking the family to Niagara Falls next June then going to see the Yankees play the Jays at the Rogers Center. Anything you can recommend that adults can enjoy with a 3 and 1 year old?


Entered at Tue Sep 29 00:54:07 CEST 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279426427.dsl.bell.ca (76.66.127.123)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

.....and Steel Pulse (from England which I've never seen. Fave song is "Your House") and Black Uhuru (Black Freedom opened for The Clash in Toronto!) and Third World who are great entertainers and who have "Cat" in their group who takes out his viola at the end of their performance and Dennis Brown who I missed while in NYC once....I bought his "Rare Grooves Rhythm and Blues Volume 2" in Jamaica on cassette. I have never found it on CD! I wanted his cover of "My Girl".

Also I have a four CD set of "Tougher Than Tough The History Of Jamaican Music" which includes Ska, Rock Steady, Reggae, Dub, Dance Hall and Ragga. BTW if you're ever in NYC apparently Bob Marley and The Wailers would stay at the Essex House across from Central Park so Bob could jog and maybe play a little football but also....He'd reserve the whole floor in case some people were allergic to catching a fire....

Oh and I had one of my classes one year sing Jimmy's cover of "I Can See Clearly Now" and Marley's "Three Little Birds" and "Work". I changed "We Jah children" to "We the children can make things work....come together and make things work." I am so glad that I discovered reggae on my own in 1975 and then was able to see Bob Marley and The Wailers probably in 1979. :-D As far as Toots and The Maytals I keep missing them while in NYC or Toronto but imagezulu saw them once and together we saw Third World. We have reggae and Van (He'll be in town on Wednesday) and soul in common so he never says anything about Louuu to me....as he knows the music that inspires me is precious. Ok, I'll be quiet now and get back to work that I brought home from work.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link is Mick Jagger looking silly beside the great Peter Tosh.....I rememnber how in the late 70's every rocker on the planet fell over themselves to endorse Raggee......it got the point where some of the worst bands ever assembled were hailed as "great" just because they were catagorized as raggee.....we all new Punk was a scam musically but a Raggee was similar to the Blues in that it was an easy music to play badly...and many many did....seeing Jagger in this video is almost as sad as seeing white suburban kids doing Rap/Hip Hop....


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Posted by:

Steve

Thanks for the reminder, Bill, I'd heard of the movie but now a-days there's so much info available it had floated off like an expanding smoke ring( to stick with the theme a little longer) to be replaced by many others. Peter, a little Toots with your Jimmy Spliff and Bob goes quite nicely.


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Posted by:

Little Brøther

Location: the Guestbook Archives

Subject: Sebastian, Much Thanks!

No more questions, just thanks for your thoughtful and thorough answer.

I'll stay tuned; thanks again.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Stir It Up

Stir it Up is the most infectious get up and groove (gently) record I know. It's always been a favourite.

I had a Bob Marley / Jimmy Cliff month earlier in the year. i think i'll repeat it!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jimmy Cliff...My fave CD "Give Thankx" is linked. This was a difficult CD to find when I first discovered a friend had it on vinyl. I'm always connected to people if they're a reggae fan....even Stevon Farm! We're also pink politically. ;-D I first saw "The Harder They Come" at school. I always gravitated to take radical Sociology and Political Science courses. My professor at the time was a Communist and would always have to erase the boards after each class. Another professor I studied with was never given his PHD from the states.....When I saw Jimmy Cliff in Toronto it was an inspired performance. Like Marley their lives were their art. "Whoever feeels it, knows it." Marley


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: RRHOF

For anyone of a certain age - The Replacements were simply the best band of the 80's - period end of story. Not being in RRHOF is a joke.....also consider putting Kiss in and leaving out Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Rush, T-Rex...the list goes on.....


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Have you seen the recent movie, "Rock Steady: The Roots of Reggae", a fascinating and well done look at ska, structured along the lines of Buena Vista Social Club? I heartily recommend it. A Swiss-Cdn production, oddly enough; the Cdn part explaining how come the narrator is a long-time Torontonian (Jamaican ska vet) and the musical arranger a long-time Montrealer (Jamaican ska luminary Lynn Tait). There's also a slight nod in the direction of keyboard pioneer Jackie Mittoo, off the top one of the two most globally significant musicians to have lived out their years up here (Lonnie Johnson being the other).

NB: Thanks for the link to Peter Swanek's site. Didn't even know he'd moved his operation. Haven't attended, though have given it consideration at times; but in Gravenhurst, maybe not so much.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Steve

No offense taken In this particular instance I was talking about watching TLW many times. I'm not saying haven't done it that way but not this time.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: No Harm Done

Unless of course Joan was thinking of running for office.

RRHOF: U2 effectively killed Rock n Roll so not much to pick from in the last 25 years....some great bands recently but that will have to wait for the class of 2035.....Arcade Fire....Kings of Leon....White Stripes, etc...........Imagine The Hollies and Kiss with a straight face.......Still no Faces - how is that possible......No Joy Division....No Mott the Hoople.....Love to love you baby....I remember asking a housesitter what the grunts meant.....she said I was too old to ask and to young to have it explained to me....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Mysterious

An amazing singer

Undeniable that's it's her BIRTHDAY today!

Dedicated to music


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Posted by:

Steve

Joan, I thought when you said you agreed with Dave about TLW you agreed with everything he said about it including his mode of watching. My mistake I guess, no harm done. But, I followed Dave's instructions to the T and highly recommend it.

Yes, Yazoo and Ruben Remus and all the rest, thanks for the reminder, I'm off in search of the disk.

Peter, your comment about "The Harder They Come" set me into 6 hours of Ska and Rock-Steady and Reggae listening. I've been mixing cement all day and it's Reggae that works best with that walking bass ( I think that's the term) and Stir it Up is the theme song on the work site of course.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Location: Chaska

Happy Birthday Maud!...Too funny Nomad, give 'em hell Billy Bob... I'm also Dave Z...


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: cellars, buyers

dlew919: the Basement Tapes are not what they purport to be, but who is? As music, I find 'em ramshackle, senseless and completely charming. And I find 'em on the player pretty often.

I'm actually grateful for the hoodwinkery, because it brought us "Katie's Been Gone," "Bessie Smith," "Yazoo Street Scandal" and "Ruben Remus." Which otherwise might have remained unheard, shudder. Either one of "Yazoo" or "R. Remus" is worth twice the price of admission.

I love the way Bob sings "Tears of Rage" and "This Wheel's on Fire" (no disrespect to the official releases).

All just completely . . . different . . . from anything you've heard before or since. And Garth's all over it . . . .


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Posted by:

Ari

Peter, Jack White is the best though.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Steve

Huh?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: On the trail of Alfred, Lord Tennyson

"When, wide in soul and bold of tongue,
Among the tents I paused and sung..."

Interesting to note that, 40 years after they performed together at the Isle of Wight festival, both Levon & Dylan made Uncut magazine's album of the year longlist of 25, among so many others who were not yet busy being born.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Electric Dirt

I was in Germany last week, and I only looked in two record stores, but both had "Electric Dirt" (in The Band section) and both also had "The Ties That Bind" compilation. Neither had Dirt Farmer, but I was impressed that one store had every Band remaster.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: So I went down to buy Electric Dirt

And it wasn't in. Bu the Basement Tapes were - the 'official' ones. What's the honest opinions around here about them? Good, Bad, artifice, Genuine? I haven't heard them yet (though I know 'Ain't No mOre Cane') and one or two others...



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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: why electric dirt?

I suspect they don't want to miss a sleeper album like they missed dirt farmer.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: i'm gonna live forever

jethro tully's not in? Like peter, I'd have thought a long time ago. Kiss? A lot of 12 year olds who pretended to be ace, or paul stanley or gene simmons or peter criss in front of a mirror grew up to be fine musos. /n Don't know nyro, so defer to peter and jtull. The fact I don't know her probably says it all (i knew all the rest)

COol J? Of course, is there a cred problem when you are nominated for a music you postdate and have no influence on (unlike, say bill monroe). An invalid 'art' looking for a credibility it doesn't deserve.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: more on tour 74

On youtube search for tour 74 NYC. Someone there made an interesting comment that Bob did get it filmed but it was not intended to be released commercially.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Uncut Awards

UNCUT this month has the "150 Best records of the 21st century" which includes "Electric Dirt". Mind you, EIGHT Jack White / White Stripes in the list is way into personal taste. I can't understand how you can nominate "Electric Dirt" (which should be there) but leave out "Dirt Farmer" which is the superior album for me. I'd have placed that in the Top Ten easily.

In the same issue, "Electric Dirt" is among the shortlisted nominations for the Uncut Music Award 2009. Would that mean a trip to Europe to receive the award if it wins?


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: BTF video

Glenn T, there were some pretty grainy videos of the 74 tour on YouTube for a while. They were probably audience recordings but definitely worth a look. Between trains by The 3/5 Band? That song has more claim to be a Band song than most of Jubilation.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Hall of Shame?

R&R Hall of Fame. I don’t think the list is THAT bad. I agree it is ridiculous that Jethro Tull are not on. I would have guessed they’d have been voted on ten years ago.

ABBA should be on it, even if I’d call them “pop”. It internationalizes the award.

The Hollies. Definitely. Should have been in years ago. One of the great 60s bands, even if they did a crappy version of “Stay.” I have about ten original 45s bought at the time.

Jimmy Cliff … the “Harder They Come” movie was most influential in spreading reggae, and after Island had sponsored the film, they were so horrified that Cliff then signed elsewhere, that they turned round and threw everything into promoting Bob Marley & The Wailers. But Cliff had been around since the early sixties, and a Jimmy Cliff “Best of” should belong to every Bob Marley fan too. Very much John the Baptist position. Excellent nomination.

Laura Nyro, a great singer and writer with a short run of success. Highly-rated by her peers too. Yes, Good nomination, but personal opinion is that her success was too minor.

Donna Summer. Hmm. The Queen of Disco. But (for better or worse), “I Feel Love” would hold a place in the ten or twenty “most influential” rock records, then she had a major solid run of hits. Like Abba, she represents an “internationalization” of the award, as she was discovered in Germany and made some of her best records there. Personally, I hate computer rhythm tracks (which are the only thing wrong with the new Prefab Sprout CD) and Donna Summer helped popularize them. Not a ridiculous nomination, but I wouldn’t vote for her.

Genesis. Look at the DVDs. One of the biggest live attractions in the world. I’m not a fan, but their claim to be nominated is undeniable … as much so as Yes.

For me, KISS, LL Cool J are off the horizon. I’m sure LL Cool J is good at what he does, but I don’t like it. KISS are cartoon characters. it’s an insult to the other award holders to nominate them.

I’m sure The Stooges will be voted on, but I’d place them with The Doors as totally over-rated crap with an obnoxious singer who is seen as an icon.

Red Hot Chili Peppers will get nominated. If I were on the panel, I’d vote against them on sartorial grounds. Grown men in short pants with guitars look stupid.

Darlene Love? On ability, definitely. But as no one is ever quite sure which bits on which songs were hers, I’d think not.

The Chantels have been nominated many times and failed. Doo wop from 1959-61 with nothing since? I don’t think they have much chance. Doo wop fans will be appalled, but there you go.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: R&R HOF

At least half those inductees are crap at best. The Hollies? Laura Nyro? KISS? And still no Jethro Tull?!?!?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Leon Russell

Jan F: To answer your question as to what Leon Russell did to miss even being nominated for the RnR HOF again, it clearly must be that actually PLAYED ROCK'N'ROLL, something none of those nominess except perhaps the Hollies (e.g. "Long Cool Woman") did for most of their musical careers. The RnR HOF becomes a bigger joke every year--just like Citizen Wenner.


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Posted by:

Steve

Joan, I'm looking at you in a whole new light now, sitting back with your feet up in the lazy boy, a beer in one hand a joint in the other and the surround sound turned up to 11. Sounds so tempting I may join you.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: R&R HOF

Here's the latest on the R&R HOF noms.

The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame announced the nominees for induction as the Class of 2010 Wednesday (September 23). The Hollies, the Chantels, Darlene Love, ABBA, KISS, Laura Nyro, Donna Summer, Genesis, Jimmy Cliff, the Stooges, LL Col J and the Red Hot Chili Peppers were all named. Five will be announced in January and inducted March 15 in New York City.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

A belated Shana tova to all our Jewish posters. May you have a healthy, safe and prosperous New Year and an easy fast. I've been rather busy recently. I still check in but I do not have the time to weigh in on stuff for now.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: David Hooge

Thank you for your beautiful post. I too never saw them in concert, but I totally agree with you about The Last Waltz. It just never gets old, Those five men made incredible music.


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Posted by:

Steve

Empty, thanks for the link to the article in LMD.


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Posted by:

Ilkka's Dog

Location: Pink painted doghouse

Subject: DLEW: "WHO IS WHO?

I am "ILKKA". My master is in asylum wearing straitjacket. Also burned a mattres there. NORBERT is a ladies' man who lives in Paris and visits the grave of Josephine Baker every day. EMPTY NOW is Sara Dylan.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany

Subject: David Hooge

David, fine post, I'll second that, thanks.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

In my previous link, the song praising the great Sufi man, is a modern version performed by Khaled, produced by Steve Hillage and Brian Eno. To whose who like things at their original purity, linked above is the much more enjoyable version first composed by Nouri Koufi, traditional.
GBers now know my “stream of consciousness“ posting mode. Starting from an enjoyable song, i try to understand the lyrics and context, readily after discover a piece of History, posting the whole thing in real time in The Band GB
…. I’m still learning, sometimes the pleasure of my musical apprenticeship is just shared by someone somewhere in Sherbrooke Toronto Stockholm Liverpool New-York or Sidney

footnote : of course former president whose true name was Mohamed Ben Brahim Boukharouba, born near Guelma (far Algerian East), adopted Houari Boumediene as his nom-de-guèrre in the Algerian War of Independence, from Sidi Boumediène, patron saint of Tlemcen, and Sidi El Houari, patron saint of Oran, both cities in the far Algerian West


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Trivia

Hi all. Back sooner than I thought. Trying to catch up with my e-mails. Too many to mention.

DAVID: Answer to your question? Because it was the best R&R bio/movie ever made.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here's some good trivia for you all. Memories maybe for some?

FRIDAY September 25th

Elvis Presley's "Love Me Tender" becomes the first single to sell a million copies before its release, 1956

***** Bobby Darin records "You're The Reason I'm Living", 1962

***** "The Beatles" Saturday morning cartoon series (using their songs, not their voices)begins on ABC-TV, 1965

***** "The Partridge Family" debuts its four-year run on ABC-TV in 1970

***** Jackie Wilson suffers a heart attack while onstage at the Latin Casino in Cherry Hill, New Jersey (he lapses into a coma and dies eight years later), 1975

SATURDAY September 26th

Fourteen year-old Tammy Wynette watches the King perform from the front row as "Elvis Presley Day" is celebrated at the Mississippi-Alabama Dairy Fair in his home town of Tupelo, Mississippi (where he himself had sung at age ten), 1956

***** The Monontones record "Book Of Love", 1957

***** The Beatles' "Abbey Road" album is released in England, 1969

***** Vicki Sue Robinson records "Turn The Beat Around", 1975

***** Paul Anka receives a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, 1984

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo



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Posted by:

David Hooge

Location: San Antonio, Texas

Subject: The Last Waltz

What is it about The Last Waltz? I have watched it so many times and I still feel like I just came out of some kind of religeous experience when the movie is finished. I think maybe I just don't get todays music and nostalgia floods my brain when Rick Danko sings "Stage Fright" or Levon wails out the best version of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down". I feel like I'm seeing a home movie of a bunch of old friends that I miss but know our paths aren't ever meant to cross again. Heck, I didn't even get to see them live in concert. Funny thing is I was stationed at Vandenberg AFB in California when the Last Waltz concert took place. Alas, I was a poor airman with a wife and a baby and wouldn't have had the money for a ticket or the money for the gasoline to drive up there. But I have my third dvd of the Last Waltz and I can still float back in my lounge chair and make believe I'm at the concert. Isn't surround sound and an HD set just wonderful? Oh, and a smoke to complete the trip. Rest In Peace Richard Manual and Rick Danko. A blessed life to Garth Hudson and his ol' lady. Levon, I hope to see you in another movie some day. Hey, since you know Tommy Lee Jones (who lives in San Antonio) maybe you can come down some day and the three of us can have a beer or five. As for Robbie, I have heard all of the music and lyrics that you have produced through the years and have concluded that you rank as on of the best writer/composers in the world. If I ever get my time machine finished and you suddenly remember a balding m 55-year old man talking to you at Woodstock, please be nice and have Woodstock security not eject me. You, Garth, and Levon have survived to see a world turned up-side-down and you still keep making music. None of your fans would have wanted you to do any less because your music brings us peace and transports us to a time. Long Ago And Far Away, it is there that the dead folicles on our heads spring like blades of glass on a freshly rained upon lawn. Our lungs remember what it was like to carry the body around without struggling and wheezing, and our ears (with the aids) recall the golden days when your rock and roll blessed the young hippies of the day. Garth, Levon, and Robbie...Keep On Trucking!


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Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: Steve and dlew919

Thanks for the explanation. Only now I'm more fucking confused. But, if I treat some names as anagrams dlew919 becomes LEWD69. Go figure. HaHa


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: no more questions...

That's all we can handle for now. It will take some time to get all of the answered properly so be patient and i'll be back with the answers.


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Posted by:

Steve

CBC's Q is also available on pod cast.

I have to ask what the fuck a teabagger is. Something to do with the party in Boston Harbor or a different brew( ha ha) all together?


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Maybe Z can catch that Tom Waits interview. He lives close to the 49th, doesn't he? And, after all, Jian Ghomeshi is one of his favorite interviewers, no?


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Posted by:

Pat B

In fact, the great Thomas Jefferson produced the election canard that John Adams was a monarchist to foment public hate and distrust. Kind of like the "Obama is a socialist/communist/nazi/terrorist" bullshit Palin and the teabaggers vomit about today.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Washington as king

Tull - Like most tea-baggers you desperately need a history lesson and the facts therein to help you organize your opinions. Washington never considered being the K of A, it was never a serious idea at all. It's possible some unrepentant Tory may have said it or Hamilton might have even liked it, but GW never had to turn it down. In terms of popularity being a monarchist, post-war, was akin to being a pedophile today.


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Posted by:

Tim Bork

Location: D'orkville, Ontary-ary-O, CANA-DUH
Web: My link

Subject: Favourite BAND songs

I've been a MONSTER fan all my life, I play "Stagefright", "Shape I'm In" & "The Well" on a constant basis with the country band I'm in. Garth Hudson has been an enormous influence on my keyboard playing, and everything about your music has given me joy over the years THANK YOU FOR YOUR MUSIC !!!!


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Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: questions for sebastian

sebastian, you're a prince for putting up with some of the stuff here; God bless you.

question for you: what are your favorite songs of your dad's (band or solo)? and a question for rob: is there any video footage from the dylan/band "before the flood" tour? 'twould be wonderful to see.

thanks sebastian for your wonderful contributions to this site. have a nice weekend everybody.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: RRHOF

Still no Leon Russell??? What did he do to deserve this?

J.F.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Who's Who on the GB? (No, not Roger, Pete and the Boys...)

Ok - As Steve said, Charlie is Charlie, and Norm is on the West - hence Westcoaster. That means he lives to the right and down from Northern Boy, who lives in the south of the North, but it's a little vague as to where he lives. Northern Boy is incognito, as are many of our posters. One of those who aren't really incognito is Peter V. Some poeple think Peter V runs this joint. for reasons that they will tell you, they continually yell at him: of course, those who know will point to jh, who posts rarely here, but is held in the highest regard by everyone: mainly because, well, he runs this place.

Jeff posts under Put Em Up (Friend), which is meant to remind us he's not harmful, really. Steve, who posts under the name of 'Steve' flings shit all day on the farm, and then comes here and flings shit too. Like Jeff, he doesn't mean much of it.

Serenity is Serenity. Deb is a trouble maker by virtue of the fact that she makes trouble. But, of course, she's not really. Joan is Joan. Kevin J is Kevin J (see below). ZZZZZ has another name, bu tI don't think it's been publshed here. Empty Now is far from it. dlew919's picutre is in the dictionary - you'll find it next to the word 'ignorant', and occassionally 'asshole (see ignorant). He lives South of everyone, except those (mostly Australians) who live further south than him. There are those who keep changing their names - but they tend not to last. Bill M, David P and Pat B with Peter V suggest strongly the theory that authorititave knowledge come from people with a first name followed by an initial.

Naturally, no-one is who they say they are, and noone knows where the truth lays. If you make anagrams of everyone's post, youll get the real message.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: P J O'Rourke on Woodstock (see link)

I find O'Rourke very funny: but I hate his smugness (I was a hippie when it was cool, then I decided not to be one, and now I laugh at hippies ...) You might find this article interesting. Yes, you reading this...

Of the noms for R and R HOF - I'd say Zevon - Waits is still alive, and still doing his best work. Rush? I love them, but many don't (if nothing else, at least they're canuckistanis).


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Posted by:

Steve

Nb, as far as the spelling of Sebastien's name goes, A for E, I O U and I'm good for it. As far as the spelling of your name goes, well, we'll C.

Seeing Serenity's post on the R and R Hall of Fame and the possible inductees reminds me that Tom Waits will be doing one of his rare interviews this Friday, on CBC's Q with Jian Ghomeshi


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: on a most visited mausoleum

The field of el Ubbad, overhanging the town of Tlemcen, comprises large monuments. We will quote, the mausoleum of Sidi Boumedienne, its mosque, its medrassa, like its médina. The mausoleum shelters patron saint of Tlemcen, which remains one of the most visited monuments of Tlemcen. The mosque and its medrasa of Sidi Boumedienne which are of a pure architectural jewel were built in XIVe century by a sultan of Fes known as the “Black sultan” of pure Andalusian style of Granade.

Known In the popular language as Sidi Boumediene, Abu Madyan Shu'ayb ibn al-Husayn al-Ansari, 1115-1198, poet, teacher and Sufi mystic, was born in the town of Cantillana near Seville in Muslim Spain and is buried at al-Ubbad outside the city of Tlemcen in Western Algeria. After spending many years of his life learning from the most famous Sufis of Morocco, he traveled to the Middle East, halting in all the important places on his path. In Mecca, he gets acquainted with Sheikh Abdel Qadir Al Gilani who completes then his instruction on the Sufi doctrine and made of him his favorite follower. He finally settled in the Algerian city of Bijaya, where he spread his particular brand of orthodox mysticism to Sufi adepts and the general public alike. Called 'Shaykh of Shaykhs' and 'the Nurturer', al-Ghawth, by his contemporaries, Abu Madyan was the most influential Sufi of the formative period of mysticism in North Africa and had a profound influence on the eventual Qadiri and Shadhili Sufi traditions.
Sidi Boumediene was also the liberator of Palestine by the side of Saladin. He commanded the Maghrib legion. It is during one of the battles against the crusaders in front of the doors of Jerusalem that he lost an arm. Saladin will reward him afterward by giving up him plots of land in the same city. He built up places of residence in various districts (Hay al Magharibe, Bab al Silsila) to receive the pilgrims from the Maghrib, for their care during all the duration of their stay in the holy places. The tradition will be maintained until 1967.
Following a malicious denunciation, the Almohad Sultan, Ya'qub al-Mansur, ordered the governor of Bijaya to have Abu Madyan brought to Marrakesh under escort. As it is inescapable that he should get there, God has arranged it in such a way that someone will carry him gently to the place of his burial, and transport him in the best way to his determined end. Abu Madyan then left accompanied by the royal escort. Having arrived on the outskirts of Tlemcen he asked: “What is this place, where we are now, called?”
– “Ribat Al-Ubbad” (the hillock of the devouts)
– “How pleasant it would be to rest here forever!” – The saint passed away shortly afterwards

Source – “The Way of Abu Madyan: The Works of Abu Madyan Shuayb” Vincent J. Cornell (Translator) Publisher: Islamic Texts Society (1996)


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Posted by:

Nick

Thanks Sebastian,

my question is that from 80-85 all the Band members were doing good physically, mentally and musically. I read the plan was for them to get back together and record (but no not tour?) after The Last Waltz. Why didn't that happen?

Also Rick and "Rob" didn't write together much but Rick's first (and all) cd is excellent and he wrote alot with co-writers. Why didn't they write together?

Did he listen to Danko Fjeld Andersen's CD's?


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: R&R HOF noms.

I'm back for now. I miss you guys terribly, but other things are taking up most of my time. But then you don't want to hear me complain.

Most of your posts have been very interesting to read.Still not finished reading them.I wish to thank all you guys for them and the great links.

NORM:I agree with your post. Sebastian is a real sweetie to take the time to answer the questions asked of him. How did your test go? Tests of that nature help save lives, if taken early enough. Best of luck.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMS:

For years, members of the Kiss Army stamped their feet in unison every time Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominations were announced and the Gods of Thunder weren’t on the short list. That all changed this year: Kiss is finally up for Rock Immortality, opening the door for another band with a fervent fanbase to demand justice.

So this weekend’s Rock List is dedicated to bands our readers feel should be nominated for the Rock Hall. We’re fully expecting a rush of Rush fans to dominate the polls, but as evidenced from the feedback from our 2010 nominations story, there are dozens of artists readers feel should be inducted, so have your say in the comments. Until then, here are some artists to spark the debate:

• Tom Waits

• The Beastie Boys

• Rush

• Sonic Youth

• Warren Zevon

[From Rolling Stone mag.]

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Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Sebastiian

Sebastian, Thank you! I think Norm summed it up very nicely in his post. I agree, the letters must be great to read.Anyway,thanks for putting up with us.


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings. seriously.


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Posted by:

Deb

You know her Steve; she's a notorious troublemaker. ;o)


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: YOU' VE BEEN WARNED !

Steve if you're going to take the most twisted thing I say in my post and then just twist it all around, then I'm just going to have to start showing up here more perIDIOTically - AND a lot less infreakwently too, I might add. Now let's see you twist that one around, little Mr. Smartydungarees ! NB (PS. Start writing my name properly, and SebastiA(not e)n's too !)


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Posted by:

Jan F.

In all the political BS talk, I forgot to thank JQ for his news on the show Thurs night. Wish I could have been there. Too bad it was, in my husband's words, "in G.D. NYC."

A really big thanks to Sebastian. As we would say in Alabama, "somebody done raised that youngin' right." ;-)

J.F.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bonk, Norm/Westcoaster and Charlie is Charlie. But, who the hell is this Deb?

That wasn't sappy Sebastien, it was honest, I'd say. Good on ya.

n Boy, of course it's a compliment, that's how I read it.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Sebastian: those letters sound amazing. I recently read a collection of letters written by Johnny Cash to his first wife (which were published as a book a few years ago). One of my all-time favorite books was a collection of letters from Groucho Marx (along with replies from famous friends including T.S. Eliot and other literary types). Anyway, I guess those letter will never be published, but thanks for sharing some highlights.


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Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: Confused

OK. I'm confused. I know I've only been on here a couple of years, but who's Norm and who's Charlie? Is there a Cheat sheet that someone can give me? HaHa


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Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: WESTCOASTER

I second that Deb!


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Posted by:

Deb

And well said, Norm.


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Posted by:

Deb

Well said, Charlie.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Straight Goods

Sebastian; I don't have any questions for you as it seems you have your hands full. However the most recent response you have given, was about the only question I would have asked you. How does your Dad feel about this?

Your answers are exactly what I thought they would be. I saw your picture on Facebook.........not hard to tell you are your Dad's son. I admire the feeling you have for your Dad, and to take up the position you have to set "some records straight" I think was the only natural thing for you to do.

All this cloak and dagger type bullshit that many people have tried to portray for so long now needs to be put to bed. Don't even bother with these nay sayers who want to be negative and insulting. I'm sure you realize the vast majority of us are fans and friends of "THE BAND". All five, and admire and respect your Dad's work and his accomplishments.

Your sincerity and honesty is well received by most.


Entered at Sat Sep 26 01:04:30 CEST 2009 from vance011.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.56)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: The Muskoka Midnight Rambles ?

Bill and other S. Ontarions, be sure to check out this link, under Past Shows (Garth, Colin Linden, James Cotton, Johnny Winter, etc.) and under Articles (about Peter Swanek). The guy chucks his day job and starts out having name acts perform in his 70 seat living room in dinky little Innisfil, Ont. and now has gone "big time" as The Hawk would say, with a massive 115 seat "home theatre" in the huge town of Gravenhurst, Ontario (maybe 10,000 - and only 15 min. down the road from NB's future retirement town in 2011 !). The articles are an interesting read for anyone. Sounds like this man's passion for music saved his soul. Steve, in the article Linden calls Swanek "a music farmer", but he meant it as the highest of compliments. NB


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: Little Brother... Why me? Why now?

THE QUESTION- "So why you, why now? I'm not asking this skeptically or cynically. To express it more simply: I don't know your age, but you seem like a really cool "kid" who just discovered the "Band Scruffs" (cf. "Apple Scruffs") hanging at this juke joint down the street. And you're willing to run back to the house and ask your dad for straight answers. So my long-winded "question" is if your dad knows what you're up to, and if he's cool with it. Given the fact that "reticence" was a Band trademark since its inception in the Albert Grossman era, I can't help but wonder about your dad's much-welcomed willingness to be forthcoming with you in the knowledge that you're sharing his answers publically."

THE ANSWER- Good question. Let me see the best way to answer this... For starters, I am a 35 year old "kid" and when I stumbled across this website I was really happy to see fans of The Band coming together in this guestbook and to see all the incredible information that had been compiled by the webmaster Jan. After closer investigation my feelings quickly changed. I uncovered a bitterness, and a one side of the story mentality that struck me as not only hurtful, but as greatly uninformed. There seems to be a gross misconception of who my father really is. He's a great dad, a funny, sweet and unbelievably generous soul. He supported his mother from the time he was in his late teens until her recent death. He has always been available and present for my sisters and I, and was married to my mom for nearly 30 years. They still remain the closest of friends. So, now to answer your questions directly, why me? Because I'm the best person for the job. All of this started with wanting to create a little more web presence for my dad and The Band. When I started searching I found this page. I also put together a facebook page for The Band and for my dad. As for the why now? Who knows??? I was compelled to help my dad out with more internet presence and when I came across this page it seemed like it could really help to bridge some gaps for people to hear a little more from and about Rob. I never even considered the possibility that people would think I'm a fraud, however at this point I'm sure most, if not all are convinced that I am who I say I am.

As for your question about my dad and Garth. Well, in fact they have worked together since the split of The Band. Garth appeared on some of my dad's solo works.

I almost forgot to answer one of your questions. My dad full well knows of my works here and on other web pages and is happy about it. In all honesty I think the feud with Levon and the breakup of The Band was really a devastating process. As I'm sure you know my dad and Levon were best friends for many years. Rob had the writing skills and Levon delivered the songs like know one else could. A perfect compliment. What the other lacked in, was greatly made up for with the others talents. In the recent passing of my Grandma I had the opportunity to go through her old things and I found all of these amazing letters that my dad and Levon had written to her from the road with Ronnie Hawkins. She was like a mother to all of them and Levon would refer to himself as her illegitimate son Leevaughn or Lovelee. I believe that the break has caused my dad to withdraw a little from his fans and maybe some of you have felt that.

I think this might be getting a little sappy now so I think I'll wrap it up. All the best, Sebastian


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Don't Follow Leaders, Watch the Parking Meters...

I'm still amazed the name of the nation wasn't changed to the United States of Reagan over the last eight years. I know there are a lot of young kids saddled with that as a first name. The guy was excellent, of course--when he hosted "Death Valley Days."

Speaking of George Washington, he was one of those remarkable figures from our past who earnestly tried to live by actual rules of civility. Sadly, those days are long gone now that politics has been reduced to a mindless sports mentality.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 23:04:22 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: correction ...

RT not JT, RT not JT, RT not JT ...


Entered at Fri Sep 25 23:02:30 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

And check out the great Reggie Young playing lead guitar (on Telecaster, standing behind Waylon in the background)!


Entered at Fri Sep 25 22:55:50 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks David P: Isn't the instrumental vamp still utter R&R magic, even after all these years?

Sadavid: Good of you to remind us of that brilliant song (though most brilliant in the original version). Interesting how the border in JT's mind when writing would likely be altered in people minds to the CDA/US border if our guys did it. We could even drag in our border-related hobbyhorses, "Caledonia Mission" and "Go Down Miss Moses".


Entered at Fri Sep 25 22:45:41 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Another weighty Waylon link above.

Spotted in Decatur, Georgia earlier this week -- famed record producer & label founder Joe Boyd (Fairport Convention, Richard Thompson, Nick Drake, Pink Floyd, The Incredible String Band, Geoff & Maria Muldaur and many more).

On this day in 1970 Janis Joplin and the Full-Tilt Boogie Band (John Till, Richard Bell, Ken Pearson, Brad Campbell & Clark Pierson) recorded "Me and Bobby McGee" at Sunset Sound Studios in L.A.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 22:44:43 CEST 2009 from (131.137.35.77)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: drowned in a barrel

Which predictably reminds me of my #1 in the 'suicide songs' genre, covered quite nicely here.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 22:14:03 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Waylon Jennings, meet Jacques Brel and Rod McKuen ...

Joe J: Re the "I'm Going To Kill Myself" clip, right from the first line I thought of "Seasons In The Sun". If only Terry Jacks had knocked on one more door - Waylon's - after rejections by the Beach Boys and Edward Bear, he wouldn't have had to resort to recording it hisself.

Another JT-meets-our-guys thought: JT's first solo album was "Henry the Human Fly", which certainly suits the GB's long-running fly motif. We may need to think it through, though.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 21:26:51 CEST 2009 from blk-222-228-54.eastlink.ca (24.222.228.54)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: I Think I'm Going To Kill Myself

Thanks for the Sonnier-Thompson link David. That led me to several different versions of 'Jole Blon' including one by Waylon, Buddy & King Curtis which led me to the linked Waylon classic.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 21:14:27 CEST 2009 from mail.lumberg.biz (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Steve, true in that context that is a high compliment. Jan, good points. Washington was offered to be made king and he turned it down, and also set down the two term precedent that lasted until FDR. Washington is a hero, among other reasons, precisely because he could have become an unquestioned ruler for life, and his example of relinquishing power based upon principle was unheard of in his day. It is scary to think what could have come of our young republic had it been in the hands of a lesser man. FDR on the other hand, regardless of other great things he may have accomplished, did use his cult of personality to detrimental effect.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: Tear Stained Letter

Bill M: Another great collaboration possibility would be Richard Thompson's "Tear Stained Letter", a song that was also covered by Garth's friend Jo-El Sonnier. (see link to video clip)


Entered at Fri Sep 25 20:15:42 CEST 2009 from (131.137.35.77)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: "The Weight" again!

Review of new film "It Might Get Loud."


Entered at Fri Sep 25 19:50:50 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jan F: JT and our guys would've started by merging their songlists and redistributing as appropriate. It's obvious who would've taken on "Down Where The Drunkards Roll"; with some makeup and a costume change either Rick or Levon could have done justice to "Poor Little Beggar Girl". And of course JT would have insisted on singing "Jambalaya" in concert - though Levon would surely have wrung a commitment that he'd make it less turgid than the Bunch effort. Other than that, both of Robbie's vocals, "Out Of The Blue" and "Kingdom Come" would seem to suit RT's voice.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 19:31:15 CEST 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Don't forget FDR and, an absolute cult in his time, George Washington. They actually helped the country.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Steve

Tull, Barry and personality cults in the same sentence is pretty funny, but you'd have to know the guy to understand the head on clash. His comments were more about the fact Obama really seems to be in politics for the right reason, to improve what he can and not cause more problems. His comments are the first positive ones I've heard him make about any politician in the 16 years I've known him. Keep in mind that Jehovah Witnesses don't exactly consider politics to be a worthy profession.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 19:09:03 CEST 2009 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

JTF, we all have our opinions, but I think one man's cult of personality is another's enthusiasm for a President who finally has policies one can support. The Republican worhsip of Ronald Reagan springs to mind.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 18:48:18 CEST 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Nah, it won't hurt to let one of Steve's lobs go to waste. I know Steve, he won't mind.

I'd rather discuss "what if" Richard Thompson had joined The Band in 1983.

J.F.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 18:43:45 CEST 2009 from mail.lumberg-automation.de (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Steve, Obama the man is plenty likable, as was Bill Clinton and from what I heard, even George W. Bush. On the personal level I love that Obama is a baseball fan and even spent an inning during the All-Star game doing some pretty good baseball commentary. I think however he has a cult of personality going on, and whether that is merely a machination of the political machine surrounding him, a natural phenomena, part of his own doing or a combination of the above, I don't believe cults of personality belong in a republic.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Elvis is alive & well on the Sundance Channel

Elvis Costello is currently taping Spectacle shows for his second season on the Sundance Channel. I haven't seen an announcement regarding when the new show will air yet, but the first season premiered last December. A DVD version of the first season will be released in November.

Earlier this week he also taped shows with Neko Case, Jesse Winchester, Sheryl Crow & Ron Sexsmith, followed by Lyle Lovett, John Prine & Ray Montagne.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 18:23:58 CEST 2009 from 21cust173.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.173)

Posted by:

Steve

Tull, my good friend and farming buddy, Barry, is as socially and economically conservative as humanly possible. He's also an elder in the local Jehovah's Witness program. Yesterday he was here picking up some lumber I'd brought home from a local sawmill for him so as usual critical world issues were discussed.

We discuss and disagree on lots of non-farming topics but the discussions are always fun and we just agree to disagree. Yesterday he almost knocked me down with his comment that Obama is just hard not to like. Obama, according to him, whether you agree with him or not just seems to have people's best interests at heart.

Bill, before I posted that last night, I actually deleted it but then put it back in the post knowing you'd handle it with the sensitivity it required.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 18:17:09 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jan F: As you seem to be in the mood to swat lob-balls out of the park, may I direct your attention to Steve's. I'd hate for it to go to waste.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 17:47:11 CEST 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: Leaders

JTF: Well, if you insist . . . .

J.F.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: PS:

If Jay Leno is really serious about pairing up musicians we don't often see playing together, maybe he can line up that reunion of Robbie and Levon. I guess that's about as likely as getting Limbaugh and Clinton to appear together, though.

Leno did manage to get Limbaugh to drive an electric car in one segment of his show last night, ramming a cardboard cutout of Al Gore at one point. During the interview segment, Limbaugh spoke with speedfreak velocity in his usual angry and humorless style, looking like he'd lost a significant amount of weight--and unaware his shirt was only halfway tucked into his pants. There's a reason Limbaugh's own TV show was short-lived. If Leno can't come up with better guests, his new one will be as well.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Music on TV

JQ: I want to see that version of "The Weight" and will have to see if I can track it down online. I don't watch much TV and part of the reason is that there is rarely any good music programming these days.

Jay Leno's new show promised to be a bold step forward and I have to give him credit for pairing up some musicians one doesn't often see together--such as Joss Stone and Smokey Robinson last night--but one song doesn't make me want to tune in. Leno's main guests the last two nights were creepy clowns Pee Wee Herman and Rush Limbaugh while David Letterman has had President Obama and Bill Clinton in the last week. No wonder Leno's ratings are falling while Letterman's are rising. Overall, I wish I could watch that Elvis Costello show, though.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 17:24:19 CEST 2009 from h-64-105-104-14.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (64.105.104.14)

Posted by:

Pat B

Makes one wonder at the possibilities had Richard Thompson joined the 1983 Band.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 17:21:49 CEST 2009 from (166.187.184.55)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: FYI from the Elvis Costello show's taping last night, from a Nick Lowe site

"It was indeed a superb evening -- an inspired choice of guests, creating (as Elvis termed it) his "dream band" with Richard Thompson on guitar, Allen Toussaint on piano, Levon on the drums, and our man Nick on bass. When they sang "The Weight", each of them took a verse, which was fun. (Levon couldn't sing due to vocal strain from too much touring, so Ray LaMontagne stepped in to do his vocals -- nice sub!) I thought Nick's voice sounded a little raspy, as if he had a cold, but that was some heavyweight singing to go up against!"


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Posted by:

Ilkka (again and again)

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Someone asked about hippies!!!

Son, let me tell you about how it was: In the late sixties me and my friends hitchhiked from a rock festival to another here near the Polar Circle. We shared our food on the same table in the camping site when the "bourgoise" whatched by. We felt The Band like this: they shared the song writing skills and singing skills and playing skills - EQUALLY, as it seemed here for thousands of miles away.


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Posted by:

Ilkka (again)

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: "Testing the GB after re-programming a block of IP spoof sites. "

Thanks Mr. HOIBERG for doing this. We all fans of The Band believe that you are trying to do this place as safe and pleasant as possible for everyone :-)


Entered at Fri Sep 25 16:31:02 CEST 2009 from h-64-105-104-14.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (64.105.104.14)

Posted by:

Pat B

I think the Town Halls and teabagging events have been very instructive. It's amazing how very talkative the uninformed are. And bad spellers.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 16:23:11 CEST 2009 from host-90-233-134-252.mobileonline.telia.com (90.233.134.252)

Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Linux on Mac

The almighty webmaster has posted in this gb these wise(?) words: Don't try to install Linux in Mac if you don't know what you are doing. Can't help but agree. However, there seems to be a way to boot with USB. Visit the following page


Entered at Fri Sep 25 16:15:32 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: That was very kind of you, leaving a lob hanging in the air for me like that, but I can't do it. Someone else is going to have to tell you where to stick it. But I do appreciate the gesture.

Joe J: Thanks for the lyrics. I like the image of Dylan, dancing on the beach Zorba-like with one hand waving freely in the air. I'm sure he did the Macarena on later visits, but let's put aside that image.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 15:31:27 CEST 2009 from mail.lumberg.biz (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Why have town hall meetings at all? Let's just proclaim Obama our Dear Supreme Leader and give him everything he wants.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 15:29:45 CEST 2009 from 21cust132.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.132)

Posted by:

Steve

I know it's too late for Obama and his town hall attempts to explain what he's trying to do with health care in the US but I think the Dogon people of Mali have figured out how to control the loony, arms waving, fist pumping loonies who dominate such citizen meetings.

the idea is simple and requires no armed guards or crowd control rules. The village buildings used for their meetings have a very low ceiling, about 4 feet high. No one can stand up. People seem to have trouble intimidating others from a seated position. It works for them.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 15:25:36 CEST 2009 from (131.137.35.77)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: strange

David P.: thanx 4 pix. Refined taste in literature, as well . . . .


Entered at Fri Sep 25 13:25:03 CEST 2009 from (41.97.157.5)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan

“Dylan originally wrote and performed a two-verse version of the song; its first public performance, at Gerde's Folk City on April 16, 1962. Shortly after this performance, he added the middle verse to the song. The song was published for the first time in May 1962, in the sixth issue of Broadside, the magazine founded by Pete Seeger and devoted to topical songs.”
“In his sleeve notes for The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-3 (Rare & Unreleased) 1961-1991, John Bauldie writes that it was Pete Seeger who first identified the melody of "Blowin' in the Wind" as Dylan's adaptation of the old Negro spiritual "No More Auction Block". According to Alan Lomax's The Folk Songs of North America, the song originated in Canada and was sung by former slaves who fled there after Britain abolished slavery in 1833. In 1978, Dylan acknowledged the source when he told journalist Marc Rowland: "'Blowin' in the Wind' has always been a spiritual. I took it off a song called 'No More Auction Block' — that's a spiritual and 'Blowin' in the Wind' follows the same feeling."

I am one of those who right or wrong naively believe because of the era I belong to, that Bob Dylan’s legend began and ended with “Blowin’ in the wind”
From an other perspective, the universal protest/human/political mood of the song aftermaths, which by the way was never claimed by Dylan, through my cultural frame of reference makes me focus on a very special rights movement situation [guess what] behind the primary inspiration of the song,

..."Yes, 'n how many years can some people exist, Before they're allowed to be free?"

Though the principle of the individual, whoever he is, acting for the prosperity of a whole people was always denied by Dylan, specially when you have no knowledge of the people in question, and when you’re aware there’s no room for idealism among the political spheres, I know what people Dylan had in head, what people was incipient to exist and the wave of worldwide sympathies he generated, by the times he released the song

Band Connection: Friend0, rate the linked above article


Entered at Fri Sep 25 12:38:10 CEST 2009 from 21cust96.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.96)

Posted by:

Steve

nB, I don't have any of Colin's solo work though I've heard some of it on radio. Right now I'm saving my rubles to get the Beatles remastered collection.


Entered at Fri Sep 25 03:13:00 CEST 2009 from s0106000a956fbfac.cq.shawcable.net (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Colin Linden (Steve)

Steve: Not sure how much you care for Linden outside of BARK, but I wondered if you knew of his lastest release "From The Water"and were aware of the box set "The Columbia Years" that includes three of his solo albums that have been out of print. If you didn't know of these, well now you do. Possibly been tossed around in my absence ? - the records that is, not you. NB


Entered at Fri Sep 25 02:41:08 CEST 2009 from dhcp-184-155.dsl.enter.net (216.193.155.184)

Posted by:

Little Brøther

Location: the Guestbook Archives

Subject: Ask Sebastian

Hello again, Sebastian! I'm another one-time "regular" who happened to check in on this GB just as you began commenting, and you've certainly piqued my curiosity.

FWIW, despite the eternal Internet uncertainty over whether anyone is really who they claim to be, you come across to me as genuine and authentic. And I greatly appreciate your interest in clarifying abiding questions from lifetime Band fans

That said, I DO have a sort of meta-question for you. Apart from his willingness to answer your increasing (?) questions in the first place, is your dad aware that you're functioning as a kind of informal ambassador to Band fans here?

I ask because on a general fandom level, in a way you're too good to be true. There are a MILLION outstanding questions on every level-- musical minutiae, Robbie's guitar technique, John Simon's contribution-- to all of those very intimate, personal issues surrounding the painful and tragic disintegration of The Band that have been fought over in this forum for over a decade!

Robbie could certainly write his own memoirs to deal with the latter issues.

So why you, why now? I'm not asking this skeptically or cynically. To express it more simply: I don't know your age, but you seem like a really cool "kid" who just discovered the "Band Scruffs" (cf. "Apple Scruffs") hanging at this juke joint down the street. And you're willing to run back to the house and ask your dad for straight answers. So my long-winded "question" is if your dad knows what you're up to, and if he's cool with it. Given the fact that "reticence" was a Band trademark since its inception in the Albert Grossman era, I can't help but wonder about your dad's much-welcomed willingness to be forthcoming with you in the knowledge that you're sharing his answers publically.

Otherwise, I have the same not-really-a-question hope that the surviving three Band members will someday perform and record together, with appropriate guest musicians. (Notice I didn't say "tour".) I guess your dad knows that this sentiment still abides in the hearts of "original" Band fans, but please rephrase it as a question and beg him to think favorably upon the proposition ;).

And I'm also curious about why Robbie and Garth haven't worked together since The Band broke up, AFAIK.

Please do me a favor: poke your dad in the chest feverishly and say, "'I'm Saved'! Some nut on The Band Guestbook named 'Little Brøther' wants me to tell you that what you and Garth do in that tune is sublime! SUBLIME! Please find a way to make that magic again!" I'm not slighting the others, just saying that Robbie and Garth's instrumental virtuosity was true synergy.

OK, thanks for reading. Best wishes, and thanks much for your contributions here. Now back to the Archives for Your Humble Narrator-- and yes, I really have to learn to ask shorter questions!


Entered at Fri Sep 25 02:38:19 CEST 2009 from 21cust26.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.26)

Posted by:

Steve

I heard a great line in an interview with Leonard Cohen recently. Irving Layton was a teacher, mentor, friend of Leonard's and a fellow Montreal poet. Leonard said sometimes he( Leonard) would be talking to Irving and would explain in great detail some plan he had, something he was excited about doing and when he'd finish, Layton would say," Leonard, that's wonderful but can you be absolutely sure you're doing the wrong thing?"

Poets, who can understand them?

Lars, before the sun comes up I've seen it perfectly calm . That's my experience at least on the North Atlantic. When we used to fish cod it would be perfectly calm some days til about 6am, like glass and as soon as the sun would start to rise little ripples would start and soon small swells and wind.

Bill, I'm trying to think of where I'm going to display the gold star. Forehead?


Entered at Fri Sep 25 01:51:41 CEST 2009 from blk-222-228-54.eastlink.ca (24.222.228.54)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: S. Tw'gate Is.

Subject: Mr. Tambourine Man

Apropos of nothing, I've always been partial to the fifth verse.

"Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind,

Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves,

The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,

Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.

Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,

Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,

With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,

Let me forget about today until tomorrow"

It may be all the nautical references. I don't know. It's Alright tho'.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 23:51:11 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Consulting

STEVE- even better. Now we can tack on a consulting fee to the total due.

But. you know, anybody who's ever really been out in the middle of an ocean knows that there are always waves. And it seems like all of the time you're going up and down, back and forth. Whitecaps are almost the norm*. The ocean that I see in most movies is more like the water in a bay. I spent two years of my life on the ocean** and I don't ever recall it "like a mill pond" like the night the Titanic foundered. (*Norm's been at sea for 71 years now, let's hope that he checks in on this.) Technically, Norm's really only spent about 50 years on water. The other 21 he was in the air, waiting for a wave to come crashing down on top of him.

(**the rough one, the Atlantic.)


Entered at Thu Sep 24 23:08:35 CEST 2009 from pool-74-108-34-234.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.34.234)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Brien

I wonder what journalism school is he a graduate of. They will be so proud.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 22:58:21 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: Vinyl Fox

The joys of LP listening illustrated in this link to photo of brunette with Blonde On Blonde and Ziggy Stardust.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 22:56:33 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

If that link is deemed inapropriate then please delete it..., I understand that it has nothing to do with the relevance of this site.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 22:21:47 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

I was sent this Youtube link of a reporter. The title will say it all. It plays into stereotypes so the more politically correct may turn a nose to it - but hey it's real life and I thought it was funny.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 22:12:38 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Rag mama rag all over my anonyhouse

Steve: Because the GB's sizeable squad of teachers is now back in the classroom, I'll take it upon myself to award you a sparkly gold star for introducing that new form of pig Latin. For some reason it also brings to mind an old Pat Paulsen line where he talks archly about wahines: "We all know what a wahine is - it's something you eat on a bahun with lots of mahustard."


Entered at Thu Sep 24 22:01:01 CEST 2009 from 21cust212.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.212)

Posted by:

Steve

Camille, I do believe it's , Dog eat dog and cat eat anonymouse.

Lars , how about , when the ocean is calm( no whitecaps).


Entered at Thu Sep 24 21:04:23 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Discount House of Worship, Cheap Advice Div., Del Rio, TX

Subject: Fish Dreams & Deep Meanings

CAMILLE- Have you ever stopped to look at the ocean on a day when it's mild (no whitecaps)? Water as far as the eye can see. And you're only looking at the very top of it...

There's more there than meets the eye.

BALANCE DUE....ANALYSIS OF DREAM.....$10.00 or $11.00 tomorrow


Entered at Thu Sep 24 21:04:02 CEST 2009 from (85.255.44.145)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Men & (anonymous) mouse

Testing the GB after re-programming a block of IP spoof sites.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 21:02:18 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jan F: Hey - I'm not washed up yet!


Entered at Thu Sep 24 20:45:39 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Be careful not to step into the anonymouse trap.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 20:42:43 CEST 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Now we have a washed up cartoon character posting on the GB?


Entered at Thu Sep 24 20:25:23 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Camille L: When there's Robbie material or comings and goings missing, I urge you to forward the necessary info and links to Jan H, our esteemed webmaster. Based on past performance he will almost certainly add it to the collection.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 20:23:05 CEST 2009 from mail125.anonymouse.org (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Camille Leon

Subject: Something Just Occured To Me..

Fish are always eating other fish, right? Well, if fish could scream the ocean would be really, really loud and then nobody would want to go to the beach.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 20:05:55 CEST 2009 from mail125.anonymouse.org (193.200.150.125)

Posted by:

Camille Leon

You mean there's no link here for Robbie Robertson's things? Why? He was a member of The Band also. There seems to be every minute detail in this website concerning every tiny litttle thing Levon puts a fingernail to so who's so reluctant to posting Mr. Robertson's comings and goings and new or old or gathered releases or non-releases? Is this place not what it seems? Is it biased? That's not the way The Band site should be. Petty and biased? No Thank You!


Entered at Thu Sep 24 18:30:58 CEST 2009 from pool-74-108-34-234.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.34.234)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Between Trains

Perhaps I'm not supposed to do this but, When we were still at Little Pink, BEG had a link to some site that she had posted Between Trains on. I was able to download it. I'm Amish when it comes to "how to" on the computer, but perhaps she can post it again.

Dlew, I am also repulsed by the John Phillips revelations, and you're right, I'll never hear their music without thinking of that. YUK!


Entered at Thu Sep 24 17:14:14 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronno

Bonk: Yes, I do hate it when that happens. I appreciate the effort, and hope that you're able to recreate the story in the nexty couple of weeks. I got a call from Denny yesterday saying he'll be in town (from Sask., where he now lives) for a couple weeks as of Oct 11 - and it'd be great to be able to run your remeniscences by him.

Landmark (if you're there): Because he's in Saskatoon, Dennis gets to play from time to time with the great Motherlode guitarist Kenny Marco (who was also on a couple of Etta James albums in the '70s).


Entered at Thu Sep 24 15:27:41 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Between Trains

Bill M: Perhaps it should have been credited as The 3/5 Band, but Robbie did produce it outside the aegis of the group name.

The "King of Comedy" soundtrack was released by Warner Bros. I doubt if there'd be a licensing problem, as Van Morrison was able to include "Wonderful Remark" on one of his compilations.

A few years ago Ry Cooder released a 2-disc compilation of his soundtrack work, with his son Joachim assisting him in choosing the selections. Perhaps Sebastian could do the same type of collaboration with his dad, beginning with the suggestion of making "Between Trains" available again.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 09:03:22 CEST 2009 from mail.weasydney.nsw.edu.au (218.185.65.57)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I nearly (and still might) post a link

To an article which suggests that the society has gone too far ... also posits that we won't be able to listen to California Dreaming without it being brought up... which somehow depressed me more than the actual event. As a father with a devoted daughter, it makes me sick that this might happen.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 06:46:43 CEST 2009 from c-98-244-75-235.hsd1.va.comcast.net (98.244.75.235)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Westcoaster, I agree. I cannot get my arms around it and I feel soiled and dirty just trying to. We all have demons but then there are DEMONS capitalized, and the capitalized ones are just plain untouchable evil. Parent/child incest is in the later. The very thought makes me sick to the stomach, and I am unsure whether it comes from just the very concept of it or the damage inflicted upon the child or a combination of both.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 05:15:28 CEST 2009 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Unthinkable

Charlie & Tull; I'm not sure if you knew of Mackenzie's stop on Opera. My wife called me in to watch it this afternoon. Quite heart wrenching.

As a father to three daughters, I can't get my mind around how a man can do those things and live with himself. Although the young lady, (not so young anymore) blames herself for a lot of it. She also has written a book.

My fond memory of her was the great job, (at least I thought she was) in American Graffitti. Her friend Valery Bertinelli was with her today, and in not knowing her situation then (apparently) grieved very much for her.

What a way for a child to grow up.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 04:35:56 CEST 2009 from adsl-99-145-217-186.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net (99.145.217.186)

Posted by:

Adam

and i forgot one more: is it true that Robbie will be interviewed for the documentary being made about Richard Manuel?


Entered at Thu Sep 24 04:32:07 CEST 2009 from adsl-99-145-217-186.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net (99.145.217.186)

Posted by:

Adam

Sebastian - one more question for Robbie: why was Bobby Charles not included in the Last Waltz film? Was his performance filmed? Also, has Robbie stayed in touch with Bobby at all?


Entered at Thu Sep 24 03:13:54 CEST 2009 from d207-216-1-101.bchsia.telus.net (207.216.1.101)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: BILL M

Bill. Just wrote you a mini-novella on how I knew these guys and the connection to the BAND. But the internet crapped out and deleted it. Don't ya just f##king hate that. I'll get back to it but for now, I knew the guys through their sax player, John S. Denny's brother Jerry, was the drummer. As for the King of Hearts I know the name but the vault just won't let it out. Help!


Entered at Thu Sep 24 02:49:27 CEST 2009 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (198.36.218.33)

Posted by:

Jerry

Ohh, and my last link, Band related


Entered at Thu Sep 24 02:38:28 CEST 2009 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (198.36.218.33)

Posted by:

Jerry

Web: My link

The Boss turned 60 today...


Entered at Thu Sep 24 02:18:14 CEST 2009 from c-98-244-75-235.hsd1.va.comcast.net (98.244.75.235)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Papa John Phillips

There is disgusting I can read and disgusting sick that I can't look at. As a father this falls into the sick I do not even want to think about.


Entered at Thu Sep 24 02:13:30 CEST 2009 from mail137.anonymouse.org (193.200.150.137)

Posted by:

Camille Leon

Hello Sebastian. Would love to know how long it's going to take Mr. Robertson to finish and release his new album? Just thinking back to how it took him almost forever to create the masterpiece that was his first solo record. Also would like to know which label he's on now? Hoping that this one doesn't take as long. Please disregard the detractors in this guestbook who ask loaded questions. She knows who she is. Please never go back and read the posts in the archives. They're very unpleasant regarding to your father. Thank you.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 23:46:03 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Matt, Matt, Matt, - you must be too young to remember what it was to be part of an army of indistinguishable non-conformists. Reminds me of something that Fred Eaglesmith said at the recent concert attended by myself and the Boys: "There's nothing more bitter than an old hippie. They're old, and it didn't work out."


Entered at Wed Sep 23 23:43:28 CEST 2009 from 52.sub-75-196-76.myvzw.com (75.196.76.52)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Creep Alley

MacKenzie Phillips has revealed an incestuous relationship with her "Papa," John Phillips. Having read Mr. Phillips' autobiography years ago I can't say I'm surprised, just saddened and disgusted. You'll recall John and his pals were among the orginal "hippies." 'Nuff said.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 23:34:34 CEST 2009 from 216-165-16-103.dynapool.nyu.edu (216.165.16.103)

Posted by:

Matt

I really really don't like Young Hippie. Since when are Band fans hippies anyways?


Entered at Wed Sep 23 23:22:39 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: A solo effort? Perhaps among the reasons why it's unavailable is that Robbie recognises that it wasn't really one. Even if I'm still the only earthling who thinks Richard's contributing more than just bg vocals, Garth was there too.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 23:03:18 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Between Trains

Carmen & Bashful Bill: The song, one of Robbie's best solo efforts in my mind & that of many others, was also a glaring omission from the recent Music from Scorsese Movies CD compilation.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 23:02:27 CEST 2009 from 21cust200.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.200)

Posted by:

Steve

Not ignoring anything David, just limited time and I was addressing Jan's point. It's also hard to compare the torture death, as repugnant as that is, of one Somali youth with the wiping out of the leaders of most of the country's clan system of gov't.

Let me catch you up on what you probably don't know about the Canadian crime that was committed. After the murder was discovered and the murder trial was over the Canadian gov't ( Liberals) didn't make excuses they disbanded the Canadian airborne regiment completely since it was that unit that carried out the crime.

Now an update, David. The head of the airborne was was drummed out of the service BUT now that we have our own little neo-con criminal running our gov't the officer in question has been quietly reinstated after 15 years and given a fucking promotion. Always demand equal treatment, I'm here for you.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 22:42:07 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-59-18-32.twcny.res.rr.com (24.59.18.32)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Sebastion : Between Trains

I second that one. I couldn't figure why the King of Comedy soundtrack wasn't released when the DVD came out afew years ago.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 22:36:07 CEST 2009 from (131.137.35.77)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: strap your hands

Nice little article re: the genesis of B. Springsteen's _Born to Run_. The payoff's in the last line.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 22:30:50 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Operation Deliverance

You're right Steve -- there's no connection with The Band and Somalia, but you seem to be ignoring Canada's not so proud role in the Somalia debacle.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 22:29:38 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: About 20 feet off the ground, in a sugar maple

Subject: Perspective

Young Hippie- That's the great thing about a free GB: Jan let's us say what we think, even if it's not a popular viewpoint. You have a right to your opinion.

I think Sebastian has already answered a lot of questions and he has a lot to offer. I'm thankful that he's tolerant and "down to earth." But that's just my viewpoint.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 22:12:00 CEST 2009 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

Here's a bio that gives more information about Sam Carr than the article I posted earlier.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 21:47:35 CEST 2009 from 24-159-3-78.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com (24.159.3.78)

Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: Just my opinion, that's all GBers

I think that Levon comes across as a nicer person than that other guy & his senistive son.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 21:16:37 CEST 2009 from (63.88.115.195)

Posted by:

Carmen

Subject: Question for Sebastian

Sebastian, can you ask your father why the song "Between Trains" is not available of CD in any form. Myself and many of the posters in the GB feel this song is as good as any ever written by your father, however, it is not available in ditigal form.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 21:07:22 CEST 2009 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

I'm sorry to report that Sam Carr died Monday in Clarksdale, MS. He was just about the best blues drummer I've ever heard and a delightful man.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 20:59:01 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Try trawling the lyrics of "Smoke Signal" ...


Entered at Wed Sep 23 20:49:44 CEST 2009 from 21cust161.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.161)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: A Brief History

Jan, don't single your own country as being special in the eyes of Somalis. The pirates are interest in money only regardless of its nationality. If you're talking about what is now remembered only as the Black Hawk Down incident the US had managed to turn almost the whole population of the country( and it's extremely hard to unite Somalis in any way) against the US. Many of the clans had supported the US as it tried to put an end to the clan wars that were destroying the country in the early 90's as millions starved.

The US tried to take out Mohammed Farrah Iadid, the one clan leader who wouldn't cooperate in ending the wars.

As is still the case today in Afghanistan the US makes enemies out of friends through less than due diligence when it comes to air-strikes.

The US bombed what they thought was a meeting of Iadid's clan leaders but was in fact a meeting of elders from all the other Somali clans who were trying to figure a way out of the situation the country was in. The US killed almost 100 elders from all over the country which understandably turned almost all Somalis against the US a couple of months before the US invaded the country. I'm still trying to think of a Band connection for this one.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 19:51:03 CEST 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

So in this case, anonymouse.org is routed through countries like the Czech Republic? Or maybe our good friends (speaking as someone from the US) in Somalia? How DOES that work? Why would you ever want to use it on a guestbook about music?

J.F.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 19:19:59 CEST 2009 from host86-160-43-75.range86-160.btcentralplus.com (86.160.43.75)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks, Sebastian

Don't be put off. As Joan says the GB has been enjoyable lately. Don't let them put you off.

Thanks David and Kevin.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 18:40:48 CEST 2009 from h-64-105-104-14.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (64.105.104.14)

Posted by:

Pat B

Joan, they are using anonymouse.org which allows you to hide your real ISP.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 18:27:24 CEST 2009 from pool-74-108-34-234.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.34.234)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jan F

Jan, the thing that is odd, is this person's ISP is "anonymous" with no info available. It is obviously a way to cover up one's actual ISP. One thing I've been told is every computer has its own ISP. i.e. My neighbor may also use Verizon, but their ISP will be different than mine. The only exception I know of is AOL, which may use the same ISP number for a few computers, but "Ernie Banks" and "Bud" aren't on AOL' It is just someone looking to stir things up and make trouble I think the GB has been a really nice place to be recently. I'm not interested in anyone messing it up.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 17:06:16 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279277996.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.59.172)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Not sure if you have seen 1978’s “The Silent Partner” starring Elliot Gould and Christopher Plummer – it’s just recently been released on dvd – one of the few very good Canadian films from that era….anyhow – the interesting aspect of it is that it was filmed at or around the Eaton Centre and various Yonge Street locations…

Dunc: Very interesting on Kings of Leon – I had not heard this…I really like the band – something about the voice of the singer that just gets me….and yes the fact that they take the time to name drop the Band a lot impresses me….


Entered at Wed Sep 23 15:50:41 CEST 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: What's in a name?

Joan, I noticed the ISP address similarities also. There have been several posts lately from posters with different names that have either been the same or at least from the same area of the country (or other countries). It’s as if someone who might be posting from home/work/library.

Nothing new about this except things start to flame up when this happens on an acute basis. The post from the Czech Republic has me puzzled though.

No Band connection. Inquiring nerds just want to know . . . .

J.F.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 15:43:58 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Cherry Christmas Baby

Not to be outdone by Dylan, another Last Waltz guest, Neil Diamond, will be releasing "A Cherry Cherry Christmas". It's scheduled to come out on October 13th, the same day that Dylan's "Christmas In The Heart" will be released. A deluxe version of the latter will include Christmas greeting cards featuring the album artwork -- Dylan Hallmark moments so to speak.

Meanwhile, Phil Spector, who produced a famous Christmas album in 1963, will (in the words of John Prine) be spending Christmas (present & future) in prison. Fans of Mr. Prine will recall that co-wrote "If You Don't Want My Love" with Mr. Spector.


Entered at Wed Sep 23 15:04:32 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Tronno trivia of even less interest to most than usual

Bonk: It came to me, and it shouldn't've taken so long. Bob B Jackson and the Corporation were a band formed around '68 at Western Tech, with Bo on vocals, Dennis N on bass, his twin Jerry, Mike B and no doubt others. Dennis, who is a close friend of my wife's family, had told me this some time ago, but it'd slipped my mind. Of some relevance to the Band is that Dennis and his then girlfriend (i.e., one of my sisters-in-law) got to sit onstage (though out of sight) when the Band played at the Ex in '75 or '76. They got to sit on the stage because the sister-in-law was at the time very close chums with Richard Manuel's own sister-in-law. Also with them was Richard's sister-in-law's then-boyfriend, who still speaks fondly of the two of them driving to California and staying at Shangri-La and having Garth help fix their van. Anyway, the Corporation's first foray onto a stage on Yonge Street was at one of those little clubs that the Eaton Centre took out in the mid '70s. After they finished their set one of the regulars said "You guys are baaad! And they, in what was probably a common reaction at the time, were absolutely crestfallen until the guy, seeing the look on their faces, said "No - baaad is good; you guys were good!". So, how do you know them? And do you remember the King of Hearts Club?


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Posted by:

luke m

I hope the personal attacks don't put anyone off asking or answering. As Pat indicates a lot of people like to hide online and to snide at full pitch. Most importantly, it strikes me that when communication lines are opened up, people start to smile.

Anyone else humming The Inner Light this morning? Amazing what a remaster can do.

Peter does your challenge mean I now have to invest in Beaucoups of Blues? But more importantly, should I? Apart from Plastic Ono and Imagine, I don't know any post Beatles solo stuff thoroughly (the same applies to my Band knnowledge, I am obviously in thrall to the band mystique). What other post-Beatles 70-74 is indispensable?


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Sebastian : Re: why the personal attacks ?

Quelle question, in a virtual digital publical gathering, it's a natural thing, what a internet forum would look like without personal attacks?

why the personal attacks are coming??? As they say it so well in Constantine, never get rid of all the personal attacks, some of them will turn out to be useful later for your social position and your political career

the most important Sebastian, it is the fresh soul you inflated in the forum in question, and the question to answer questions or not, while questions continue to flood is relegated in the background

i have another [personal concern] question Sebastian, this one was expected and implicit in reality:

as soon as you jumped inside this webpage, you should have noticed that one of the most attached The Band fan, and regular of this site [Empty Now], is from an all different world, where an all different musical aesthetic reigns, and where an all different culture is established,

Question : how you [you Sebastian, not Robbie Robertson] do feel this fact ? (select one item)

1 - natural
2 - normal
3 - physical
4 - other

take all your time to answer while listening to the linked song, the musical feel and all the imaginary it creates around my city


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: on behalf of the majority

I can't wait for the answers to all the questions, and I appreciate you taking the time. Thanks sebastian


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: ...

I thought I was pretty clear that I would compile all the questions and then sit with my dad and get the answers. Not too sure why the personal attacks are coming??? I guess people get brave sitting behind their keyboards. Bottom line is I won't let a couple of idiots ruin it for everyone. It will take some time because there are a ton of question but over the next few weeks i will hopefully get answers to all of them posted.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Check out "Record Collector," The remastered Spinal Tap DVD gets their first eleven star review!


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Posted by:

penny L

Location: australia

Subject: why

Im 21 female and spend most of my spare time with people whom I would say are hippies, however I have found that no really ever calls oneself a hippy as hippies usually live the way they do because they don't care for titles. Anyway thats not the point I am here, why is everyone arguing about genres, names, places etc etc, I though one thing the band would have taught us is it dont matter who you are where you are from what your choices in life involve, we all have one thing in common MUSIC. if you don't like, keep it to yourself and if you do like it than love it!!!


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Posted by:

Pat B

I'm sorry, Young Hippie, I thought I was being painfully obvious. I applied your method of questioning to your own post to show that it reflected neither youth nor hippie-ness.

Another thing, Young Hippie. I don't feel the need to hide behind anonymouse.


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Posted by:

Bud

Location: the Indoor Garden

Subject: Gee, Joan

...you sure are good at jumping to conclusions. Mr. Banks will bear this out, but I am in no way related to that gentleman. Chalk it up to great minds think alike.

By the way, you're good at personal attacks and evading the topic, too. Are you Brennan?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Names

Gee Bud, You have the same ISP as Ernie Banks. What a coincidence, you use the same computer. What are the odds?


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Posted by:

Bud

Location: the Indoor Garden

Subject: Young Hippie...

The 'Dud's Deal' is personal attack, rather than response to the topic. 'Sebastian,' son-of-Royal Patch is spouting the party line, as expected, like father, like son. You can take the boy out of the Carney but you can't take the Carney out of the boy. Stay tuned.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Kings of Blind Faith & the Kings of Leon

Dunc: A while back, on Robbie's MySpace site, it was reported that his upcoming solo album would feature Eric Clapton, Steve Winwood and the Kings of Leon.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Interpreting songs

Last week we were talking about Jacques Brel interpreting songs. I'm playing the early sun recordings of Johnny Cash, which I've known for a long time. I love the sound. I see it as the lead instrument being the voice and how beautifully it interprets. Understated, but I feel the guy is in prison; and the guy is missing the girl. Great stuff.

Well said Kevin.

Somebody in work said to me that the Kings of Leon's favourite group is the Band. And the internet rumour is that they will guest on Robbie's new album.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Say What

Young H: I believe Sebastian calls his dad Rob – not Robbie. I also believe he was very clear that all questions would be assembled and then answered in a few weeks……I guess you missed all that as well as answers to questions of a few months ago that everyone here found interesting……does insulting someone for no apparent reason make you feel better or is that just your deal?


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Posted by:

Steve

Joe, home islanders, Hey Rosetta were in the contest, weren't they, along with some other top shelf artists like Joel Plasket and Patrick Watson. I heard, Fucked Up, this morning do two songs and not my cup of tea is an understatement. Kevin, the lead singer might look like Vachon but sounds like Andre The Giant.

But they are quite a likable group as individuals. They're using the $20,000 to make a record to raise money to help in trying to solve the crimes committed against the many native women that have disappeared off the streets across the country.

Kevin I gave the computer 2 and a half hours to down load that video on Cockburn. When I came in just now to check it had loaded 30 seconds, the screen was frozen with Colin Linden's face on the screen and the message, " An Error has occurred, please try again". I think not!


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Vachon

No really, you should check out the F***ed Up video. Their lead singer does look like Vachon.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Joe

Mad Dog reminds me of my favorite wrestlers when I was 8 or 9…..Don Leo Jonathan ….anyone remember Gilles “the Fish” Poisson?? If Don Leo was the Band….Gilles “the Fish” was Motley Crue!


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: Unless, what?

What's your deal, dude?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: I've heard of Bo Bukavich (sp?), and not all that long ago, but can't remember why. If I do, I'll let you know. As for the Beepers, could be. The Rogues / Mandala organist in their Bluenote days was Joey Chirowski, who later spent some time in the Beepers. (He would later become better known as a member of Crowbar and then Alice Cooper's great "Only Women Bleed" band, which became Lou Reed's "Rock and Roll Animal" band. In '76 Bobby Dupont was heading up Sweet Blindness, who were pretty big at the time and who had a big party for their 10th anniversary as a group, though in '66 their name was the Statlers. Don't know if Dupont had been with them that long. Said party was actually pretty significant for me; I got to go because through an acquaintance I was asked by their PR guy to supply local '60s records for the party jukebox. And because of that I got to meet and squeeze info out of people like Rick James, Robbie Lane and Duff Roman. Mike McKenna too, Kevin J.


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Really F***ed Up

While we were all wondering whatever happened to Maurice 'Mad Dog' Vachon, the Toronto band, Fucked Up, wins a national prize. Bit of ballot stuffing there Bill?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The next Beatles album …

One of the magazines this month (The Word? Uncut?) had a feature on the Beatles album after Let It Be, taking their best solo tracks from the next few years and putting them onto one album. The one they came up with was pretty damn good AND they'd even left off My Sweet Lord. I thought they could have done three or four with ease, sticking to a formula of two George plus one Ringo per album as well. It's quite a fun exercise just compiling the one, and VERY hard to get down to fourteen tracks, or rather twelve because most are longer as was then the way. You also have to be even-handed, not just stick down all John or all Paul. And because it's pre CD ident era you have to think of two sides and the flow from track to track. I'd start out with Another Day because it's such a natural first track.


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Posted by:

Steve

OK Kevin, I just hope someone doesn't try to call during the next couple of hours offering me " The Deal Of A Lifetime". There are many guitar players I love to listen to but Bruce always makes me stop and listen really closely because he's doing so much all over the the fret board and its all so clear and beautiful.

I heard his recent concert in Peterborough(?) on CBC radio 2 a couple of weeks ago. You honestly can't tell if it's a recording from 79 or 2009. His playing might be a little better but his voice is exactly the same.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Steve: Funny – heard “Tokyo” on the radio last night and at high volume – great fun! Bruce Cockburn is also a wicked guitar player….for me it is the feature that makes him much more interesting than just about any of his peers and a reason why he is always great to see live …the above link is a little treat in that regard….tie up your phone lines for a few minutes – it’s worth it!


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Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Count your toes, Norm

WESTIE- Look at the bright side. Here's your chance to hit that "High C" note that you could never reach before.

Radio station WJZF, out of Standish, ME, did a webcast last Sat. nite that entailed three hours of The Band music. There's a good chance that they're going to include a Sredni Vollmer interview and some of Sredni's vocals in a future show. Sredni was a part of The Band shows back in 1990. He also was Rick Danko's musical partner in the '80's. He's been out of circulation for too long; it will be good to hear him talk about all of the music he's helped bring to life.


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Posted by:

Steve

Progressive Polka ? Ob La Di--- Ob la Da ? I think Rocky Raccoon has the potential for a great western opera.

Kevin, someone who spans all those decades and into the future is Bruce Cockburn. I think that he's put out top quality work in all those decades.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: OOPS!

I think I might have made some spelling mistakes ...... shit don't anyone tell Mike.

I'm in the worst mood possible. I' goin' to the doctor right now for a prostate check....what in fuck could be more fun than that?? The hell with all a yuz


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Posted by:

Kevin J

To Pat’s point of the amazing body of work that the Beatles compiled in just 7 years…….think also of the songs McCartney, Lennon and Harrison published from 1970 to 1974……Imagine, Mind Games, Jealous Guy, Mother, Whatever Gets You Through the Night, Instant Karma, Band on the Run, Jet, Live and let Die, My Sweet Lord, etc and dream about how many other great albums could have been generated if legal/life issues had not interfered! ……….the 80’s generation had The Police – 2 or 3 very good albums…..the 90’s generation had Nirvana – 2 or 3 very good songs……the 00’s had Coldplay….no wonder the world fell off a cliff last year……the next 5-10 years will have the Kings of Leon – the future looks bright indeed!!!!!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Boundaries

When does a song become heavy metal, and who makes the detirmination? PAT! it seems to me some of these guys get short of something to discuss, and think up a new topic to have something to say.

I wouldn't even associate the Beatles with some of the crap that self acclaimed "Heavy Metal Bands" spew forth. That's like saying Bob Marley is a Rapper.......lord lovin' jeez. I was assaulted with Heavy Metal by that kid of mine until I wanted to leave him off on an Island somewhere. That "music"? and that gawd damn Pac-Man game he had on my fish boat in his teens near drove me crazy. It reminds me of a story I remember relating here some years back. Bruce Willis, in the movie, "The Last Boy Scout". One of those tough guy gangsters pulls a blade and sticks it under Willis' eye and gets in his face and says, "Just once I want to hear you scream in pain." Willis says, "put on a rap record"


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Posted by:

Pat B

I'd call some of what the Beatles did heavy/intense pop, but metal? C'mon.

dlew, I believe I gave the women here a way out with my qualifier.


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Posted by:

luke m

Charlie I agree and I think Americana is also irrelevant to/limiting of the Band.

Just pondering a bit on mono vs stereo. When you listen to classical music the complexity means you have to start listening 'vertically' ie seeing each musical utterance as something that exists not just horizontally in time but also vertically as a mix of different frequencies. Listening to rock (which tends to be less texturally complex, especially at its best) in stereo encourages the horizontal form of listening, both because the separation is extreme and because the beat throws you forward in time. But listening to the Beatles in mono is starting to sound so natural and encouraging me to reflect that: the music feels more organic as a blend of vertical textures, it also seems to go backwards into the speakers - the distance it goes back into the speakers, because actually a form of aural illusion, is arguably greater than the distance between the parts when separated into two channels.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Not really years earlier

Bayou Sam……..She Loves You was 1963…….You Really Got Me was 1964….that is what made it so striking…….


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Little Boxes

The Beatles had many great qualities, one of the best being their transcendence of musical labels. The White Album hits about every musical genre except perhaps "oddball opera" or "progressive polka." All those little labels were bullshit when minds like John Lennon or Frank Zappa were involved in the music.

That moronic label TIME slapped on The Band back in 1970--"the new face of country rock"--seems so silly and dated now unless the country they referred to was Canada.


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Posted by:

luke m

Pat I agree about Magical Mystery Tour, it's maybe the biggest surprise on the remasters. Having missed the lot, I console myself with having at least been alive for part of the B's career; I count this from Rubber Soul onwards.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Well Well Well

PV - Seems John L used that straightforward heaviness with this one later on too. It remains a great one that way.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: She's So Heavy

The I Want You as an example of The Beatles showing their heavy metal abilities is something half the music mags said this month. You need to watch the "I Want You" sequence in "Across the Universe". What I think they were doing is taking the "Sunshine of Your Love" template, which Spooky Tooth had also mined (and to me at least improved) and saying "We can do all that stuff. No problem." And indeed they could.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Pat B...

None of the ladies present were alive during the Beatles, of course... ;-)


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Posted by:

Pat B

The Beatles and heavy metal? Insane.

Young Hippie, kinda cynical for someone so young and claiming to be a hippie. Unless...

Whew. Beatles remasters. Magical Mystery Tour sounds astounding. Revolver and Rubber Soul. All hard to put into words but pretty darn breathtaking. Considering that they accomplished all of that in seven years is miraculous. We are lucky we lived through their careers--well, a lot of us.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Helter Skelter. "She Loves You" was the year before "You Really Got Me". I would say the Beatles rocked as good as anyone on, say, their cover of "Long Tall Sally" - recorded in one take by the way.


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: Just a thought on "Sebastian"

Have we learned anything new from this guy? He calls his "Dad" Robbie, & he doesn't answer the most interesting questions. Maybe he isn't who we think he is. Maybe he's just frontin'.Or maybe he isn't as pompous as his supposed Dad appears to be.


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Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: BILL M and the BLUENOTE

Bill. Thanks for that info. Much appreciated. Still hoping ROBBIE can shed some more light on the subject. It was my Aunt who told me it was Bobby Dupont fronted a band there by the name of the PEEPERS. On a different note, do you remember a band called Bo B Jackson and the Corporation which later changed their name to Zarathrusta. Mid to late sixties? The front man or singer was a dude named Bo Bukavich. Thanks....C


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

See link of Wray above.....my first guitar teacher would always talk about this...too bad youtube was still 35 years away or I would have known what he was talking about....cool video


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Posted by:

Steve

Ya, you're right of course, Brien, about The Beatles and heavy metal. Peter's use of the term caught me before my first cup of java this morning but I'd put Revolution in the Graphite, maybe in Heavy Graphite or Light Metal sound, along with a handful of their other stuff. I think a song like Me and My Monkey feels even raunchier than it is because of the placement, following the pastoral, sitting in the shade of a big elm tree, chewing on a Timothy straw, Mother Nature's Son.


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Posted by:

David P.

Location: Mount Ararat

Subject: Dedicated follower of thrashin'

Just trying to keep my head above water down here in Georgia.

Long before the Kinks, Willie Johnson was playing distorted power chords behind Howlin' Wolf back in 1951. Seven years later Link Ray and his Ray Men cut "Rumble". And on the left coast in the Speedy West & Jimmy Bryant were setting their country frets on fire with their Stratosphere Boogie.

All these examples and many more before may not technically fit the Heavy Metal definition, but these pioneering efforts on metal strings left heavy marks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

You Really Got Me has two claims … one to be the origin of heavy metal, the other to be the origin of (British) punk … Chrissie Hynde advocating the second. As you'll always find with rock, there's always someone who'll find the riff or style used before. But profile and influence is the thing, and You Really Got Me had both.

The Who should be in on any discussion of precursors of noisy guitar rock, But "heavy metal" has a mindless head banging aspect that The Kinks, The Who and both Revolution and I Want You fortunately lack.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Heavy Metal???????

To even consider the Beatles as Heavy Metal in any way is absurd to me. Even the Kinks, "You Really Got Me", (funny I was driving uptown yesterday when that song came on). HEAVY METAL........My older son....Mettalica...I still want to choke the shit otta him. KISS.......look like a buncha gawd damn Klingons............from the older days, the first thing I remember of Heavy Metal was Areosmith.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Steve...while the Fab’s were singing She Loves You – yeah, yeah, yeah! and tilting their cute little heads to the screams of little girls – the Davies brothers were laying the blueprint for all metal songs to follow with the “You Really Got Me” – it had extreme edge in 1964 and again in 1978 when Eddie Van Halen torched another generation with that great song ……The Dave Davies line came from an interview in the USA in the 80’s when a journalist asked him if the Kinks were trying to play Heavy Metal in order to attract an American audience……. It’s like playing Bo Didley now for kids and they just think –“ok cool” but to imagine what his guitar must have sounded like to old fogies at the time is really something…..


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I have found it humorous to even consider anything the Beatles did as "Heavy Metal". They may have added some bite and edge to some of their songs in their later years but to even put them in the park of heavy metal seems ridiculous. Zep, Sabbath, even Jimi, that's heavy or hard in comparison and they at least are the latter day contemporaries of the Beatles.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Peter, Luke, Westcoaster

Enjoying the Beatles' posts.

Luke M, Peter:Couldn't really disagree.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, do you think , You Really Got me" has enough of a metal edge to qualify? Ray, may want to take credit but I think there's something lacking in the guitar sound that Revolution , as an example, has. The guitar is a little too fuzzy. Maybe, graphite, metal like, only somewhat lighter, but like metal conducts electricity.

Anything approaching metal by Jimi has to go into a subset of Metal, maybe Psychedelic Graphite or Psychedelic Metal depending on the song. Paranoid's in for sure. Sorry, I don't know the Motorhead song.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Time to roll out one of my favorite quotations again……..“It wasn’t called Heavy Metal when I invented it” – Dave Davies

Add to Steve’s list of “Listenable” metal songs………. “You Really Got Me” - Kinks….”Paranoid” – Black Sabbath…..”Purple Haze” - Jimi…..”Ace of Spades” - Motorhead

Really hope L.Cohen is o.k. - doing 3 hour shows at 75 is astonishing......It's his birthday toiday and Jazz FM just announced that his tour is continuing tonight - so I guess all is o.k!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Weather

Just checking some below the border news, I see the horendous amount of rain in Georgia, over a foot in twenty-four hours in some areas. David Powell are you still above water and ok?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: What's New

Just checked out the What’s New section of the website and there is a great clip of Ronnie Hawkins and the Band playing as part of the Bill Clinton inauguration……the cool part is seeing that Bob Dylan was also on stage with them…….many other quick clips of some favorite musicians as well.....


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Posted by:

Peter V

I couldn't resist the Cliff Richard & The Shadows "Reunited" 50th Anniversary album today. The last new Cliff release I bought was Silver. That was on CD. Which has just made me realize that was the Silver Anniversary, so 25 years ago. They've wisely reunited to redo their early hits, especially relevant as the 1959 ones go out of European copyright on January 1st. It claims to be their first album together in more than thirty years (the Shadows weren't on Silver). But the credits point out that it was recorded in England, but Cliff's vocals were recorded in Miami and Hank B. Marvin's guitar and backing vocal was recorded in Perth, Australia. So together, but not VERY together.

A quick listen and there are very decent retakes of stuff like Move It. Criminally, the lovely "Everly /CSN" style wash of acoustic guitars on "Please Don't Tease" has gone.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Bonk: The answer to your Bluenote question would be yes, various (likely all) the Hawks played there, including Robbie. The book to find would be "Rock and Roll Toronto". As to Bobby Dupont, I suspect you're confusing him with George Olliver, original lead singer of the Mandala, who as the Rogues were perhaps the most significant of a long line of housebands at the club. (The reason for the confusion might be that Dupont and Olliver were co-frontmen of a late '70s club band called the Royals.) Eugene Smith, who you mentioned, often was a guest singer at the Hawkins / Hawks matinees, and Garth, who I asked, remembered him well.

Westcoaster / Joe J: I'm sorry I missed Figgy Duff on the CBC '70s/'80s music series. I love that band. Saw them twice, once in a parkette beside the tourist centre in Banff ('78?) and once at some industry convention in Toronto. Seemed like nothing else going on a the time.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, The Beatles were old hands at heavy metal by Abbey Road. Revolution, was earlier but both are good examples of the limited list of listenable metal ever recorded by anyone.

They were quite the musical sponges weren't they. We could see it coming when they referenced The Everly Bros, Der Bingle and Scott Joplin in one song right at the beginning.

Jan, I can send you one of my 9 copies of This Wheels On Fire AKA The Bible if you need one for accurate info on The Band's history.

As much as I know you'd treasure it, I can't part with my copy that is autographed by Robbie. It's the closest they may ever come to getting together. Sorry.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: "Spectacle" at the Apollo Thursday Night

Sounds like it's going to be a good show at the Apollo Theatre Thurs night. Elvis Costello's "talk and music TV show Spectacle" this Thurs will feature Levon Helm, Allen Toussaint, Nick Lowe, Richard Thompson w/special appearances by Ray LaMontagne, Larry Campbell & The Imposters. Too bad it's on a Thurs night and in NYC.

I thought Levon didn't do any overdubbing/re-recording of his drum tracks (or whatever)for TLW b/c he didn't want to -- I'd look in THE book, but I'd have to find it -- I think I gave it away.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Got To Get You Into My Life

… from Revolver. Right at the height of the soul band era, and The Beatles just tossed that one out effortlessly on Revolver. OK, right, we can do that too. Then I Want You on Abbey Road. Heavy Metal? No problem …

There is a long argument in older showbiz circles about which exact joke got Max Miller banned for life. The consensus is the optician story, but another school goes for this one:

I was walking along this narrow mountain ledge … just wide enough for one person to walk. I went round the corner and there was this beautiful woman, stark naked coming along the ledge. I didnt know whether to block her passage or toss myself off …

Apologies to readers, but that story was told on late 1950s BBC Radio.


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Posted by:

luke m

Really enjoying the questions and first answers from Sebastian. I'm glad an interview has been agreed with Carol. Peter I enjoyed that Max Miller joke. I wouldn't put it past you to have met him while working on a show but I'm guessing he was long off the boards by then. Dunc I have the same reaction to Ahmadinjead. Meanwhile - whooh, top Beatles album... I would struggle to separate Revolver and Pepper. I would identify their peak exactly between the two - on Strawbeery Fields/Penny Lane! The second side of A Hard Day's Night is a left-field favourite, it just seems effortless. I love the first side of the White Album. I even like number 9... I am awaiting a listen to the stereo Abbey Road remaster which a lot of peopel are picking as their number one remaster.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I'm inclining back to Sgt Pepper as the one whole album for posterity if I could only choose one, but I still maintain their two best LP sides are Abbey Road (Side 2) and Magical Mystery Tour (Side 2). The singles on Magical Mystery Tour are key tracks, and Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane's recording sessions rolled right on into Sgt Pepper. Anyway, it's fun investigating. But on Get Back, the remix on LOVE still knocks me out.

If you're enjoying it, go and rent "Across the Universe,"| a movie I've recommended many times before. The early Hold Me Tight sequences say more about the UK and USA in 1962/3 than any book could.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Westcoaster: Like Lyle, I live in my own mind.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Old Salt?

Mike! I've always had the impression you're around Trana somewheres. Now if you're an old salt what in hell are you doing hanging out around those puddles back there with the likes of Billie "Bad ass" Munsen and that Cabbage Patch Doll?

Dunc; I like your selections on the Beatles material. I'm in full agreement. I have to tell you a funny tale. December 1963, I had been in a logging camp that entire year. Mahatta River, in Quatsino Sound. Not many miles from Port Alice where I just moved from. I got my Gibson Hummingbird that year. I was not exposed to much current music, having been out of camp for only 10 days once in July. In camp, no TV, no radio reception except a few stations late at night.

So in December going home for Christmas on the Sechelt Peninsula where my folks lived at Roberts Creek, I don't know nothin' about nothin'. I had spent the year playing Lightfoot, Dylan and some of Ronnie Hawkins and the boys. I liked them a lot, tho' I've never been a great Ronnie Hawkins fan. I'd saved my money all year, I think it was around $3800. I went and bought myself a pretty nice 1960 Ford for $1700. Then I head up to Pender Harbour and pick up this hot blonde, Dorothy Gough. We're chugging down the highway and on comes, "She was just 17". I say what in hell is that? Dorothy says, haven't you heard the Beatles. I said the WHAT? Dorothy explains it all to me, and that was my introduction.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Dlew

Listen to 'A Hard Day's Night' again Dlew, without the prejudice of it being an earlier work.

Then again I like 'Let It Be', which at times is criticised. I really like Get Back, Across the Universe, The Long and Winding Road and of course Let It Be.

And then there's that recent debate(small) that it's the nearest to the sound of the Band. Not being an expert, I didn't know about the George Martin story until Kevin told me.

Playing Tracy Chapman just now.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: "NO!"

It took twentyeight minutes and thirtynine seconds for Peter V to answer "no" to a simple question. Isn't it time now to wash the brain with a bottle of Merlot :-)


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Posted by:

Peter V

no.


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Posted by:

Ernie Banks

Care to take another guess guvnah?


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Posted by:

dlew19

Subject: Dunc

I'm with you Dunc re: Sgt Pepper's. In fact, I'd go so far to say that i's their best album: better than the White Album (number 9? number 9? number 9? ???) Better than Abbey Road. (Both terrific albums, though - I'm not an idiot!)


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Steve

That's true. The news stories of what has been happening in Iraq to homosexuals are shocking too. I don't know if they've been covered in Canada. Last political post, Jan.


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Posted by:

Steve

Dunc, there's no point getting too upset about what comes out of the mouth of Ahmadinjead . I'm sure he knows the holocaust happened just as he knows there are homosexuals in Iran but that doesn't stop him from denying that either. He's a desperate, weak, man and will say anything to appeal to what's left of his lunatic support.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: CDs

What's also making the news and related to the Beatles is EMI's continuing commitment to the CD. It seems we, of all ages, like something to hold.

As I raced through Glasgow yesterday, I popped into Fopp where prices were low. I bought 'Cripple Creek' a compilation of Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee, which included four original albums, (I really like the Washboard Band material) Marvin Gaye's greatest hits in concert and the Sun Records Anthology. Not bad. 7 CDs for £11.

Yesterday I played 'Stage Fright', 'Double Trouble' by Stevie Ray Vaughn and 'High and Hurtin' by BARK.

Luke M:Enjoying my two remastered Beatles' CDs. Never heard the Scottish accent on 'When I'm Sixty-four' before now. Could it be a different take?

Not a very original thought, but isn't Sergeant Peppers a wonderful album?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: We'll Meet Again

In the UK, the pop charts have unusually made the news front pages. Dame Vera Lynn has just topped the album chart at the age of 92. The record concerned is a compilation dating back to the 1940s, and was released as part of the 70th anniversary of the start of WW2. The full-price Decca release replaced lots of cheap £2.99 compilations. Annoyingly, every track falls outside the copyright limitation in Europe of 50 years, but the record label say they will be making her an ex-gratia payment anyway.

In 1977 Dame Vera recorded at Bradley’s Barn with The Jordanaires, featuring Pete Drake on steel guitar, produced by Owen Bradley. That’s not on the current one.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Always happy to help out a fellow old salt, Westcoaster.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: FYI

I thought I'd throw it out there as a reminder that tonight (Sept 19th) there's a radio show being webcast and it's about The Band. Bob Reicher's show "Mystery Train" is on from 9:00 PM (EST) to midnite. It's on wjzf and if you google it, it will lead you to a homepage that will show you how to easily get in. Over the years, Bob's come up with a lot of unreleased material and unusual Band-connected music. He used to broadcast from a Cape Cod radio station (about five years ago) and I used to stay up all night just to hear his latest collection of Band performances. I'm grateful he got a better time slot.


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Posted by:

Ari

Sebastian, I have a bunch of questions but I'll just ask this. When was the last time Robbie spoke to Levon. What was it about?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: "Accute senility"

Gawd Damn it Mike.....I'm SORRY!.....I didn't even realize I did it. I don't put a lot of effort into spelling any more. See I'm gettin' pretty old and dumber.

I'll clean up my act! You were right!


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Joan

A Happy New Year to you also. You once remarked on my gentleness, but you see I try(as a complete Bandito) not to get involved in petty squabbles over who said what etc. and what I can do nothing about.

But in life I am political and am very angry in your week of new year when Mahmoud Ahmadinjead again questioned if the Holocaust existed. I know what to get angry about. (Sorry fellow posters about my first political post.)

May your period of reflection be of benefit and peaceful, thanks for your wishes for world peace, and a happy Eid to Muslim posters.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Gulf Islands

Westcoaster: Far be it for a dumbfuck easterner to advise you how to spell the name of a B.C. island, since you only happen to live there and I don't, but fyi it's "Mayne," not "Maine."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: "Canadian" Driftwood

Rick does actually sing the words "Canadian Driftwood" as a joke and only does two lines during an intro, so it's as intended! I've now gone most of the way through. It's a very good record of two solo shows on the same night. It benefits, to me at least, from just having solo guitar. So often on Rick tapes, there's "two thirds of a band" with an obvious missing instrument somewhere rather than a full band. As a result, I think it's better with just guitar.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Leonard Cohen

Will be posting later, but thought you all should know, [maybe do know by now], about this great Canadian.This came in my private e-mail.

Luvya all, and miss you very much. Talk to you soon. xoxoxo

Leonard Cohen recovers after collpsing onstage in Spain 1 hour, 59 minutes ago

By Harold Heckle, The Associated Press

MADRID, Spain - Canadian singer-songwriter Leonard Cohen is recovering after collapsing onstage while on tour in eastern Spain late Friday, his music company said Saturday.

The veteran poet and performer has been released from hospital after suffering from a stomach complaint, Doctor Music Concerts said in a statement.

Cohen was part-way through his "Bird on the Wire" song in Valencia when he fainted, causing the band to stop playing to rush to his aid as concertgoers watched. The concert was stopped.

A video showing Cohen kneeling down several times during the performance and then keeling over sideways during a saxophone solo has been placed on YouTube by a fan.

Cohen, who will be 75 years-old Monday, was taken in an ambulance to the Nueve de Octubre hospital in Valencia but was released early Saturday.

Cohen was due to perform the last show of his Spanish tour at the Palau Sant Jordi concert hall in Barcelona on Monday. Trucks carrying Cohen's show had arrived at the hall Saturday morning and were to be set up as normal, a spokesman for the concert hall said.

Cohen had to come out of retirement five years ago when he discovered that most of his retirement fund had disappeared in a disputed case of mismanagement.

After leaving Spain, Cohen was due to perform next at the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Fla., on Oct. 17, his website said.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Just got the Rick Danko “At Dylan’s Café” CD set. This all looks a bit dubious for an official set on sale via amazon, which is where I got it.

Sebastian, one thing Robbie might do is note some of his songs with “aka” with the performing rights collection societies. I say this, because this new “official” Danko set has Rick singing “Canadian Driftwood.” The CD has several others … “Oh Baby (Whatcha Gonna Do)” is the new title for Fats Domino’s Sick and Tired, “That’s How I Love You” is Jimmy McCracklin’s Every Night & Every Day.

The 90s Band’s “Live At New Orleans” DVD lists “Sun Don’t Shine Anymore” as the title of one song, which turns out to be “It Makes No Difference”, and this is on an official release by The Band. That’s worth listing as an “aka” title!

Mind you, I have deep suspicions about how official the Danko set is. When you see sleeve notes saying it was obtained direct from “the taper” you have to wonder whether the estate sanctioned it, and I wouldn’t hold out too muh hope of ever seeing performing rights on the songs. It is a clean and intimate recording, much better than the tapes that were swopped (but that could just be technology).


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, in The Bible, John Simon , goes further than the recent statement you quoted. In,The Bible, he says " Robbie was right in that there were some good reasons for overdubbing the whole thing. Richard wasn't singing well, Rick's bass was out of tune and Robbie wanted to improve his guitar solos. Also, the horns were recorded completely out of balance and had to be redone in New York with arrangements Henry Glover and I put together. The great thing was Levon didn't need to do it over. He got it right the first time and those were the drum tracks used in the final mix."


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Holidays

Hey Joe! The Duff certainly did do some great rock & roll, as well as their own material.

Galiano Island, I'm sure is a place you'd love.The "Gulf Islands" are a chain of islands between the mainland and Vancouver Island. Galiano is one of the bigger Islands, mostly summer homes. A lot of huge places that are "disgusting displays of wealth" mostly American. However the weather is beautiful there in the summer. Active pass seperates Galiano & Maine Islands and is the ferry route, Vancouver to Victoria.

I agree, riding around on one of those floating cities for a cruise doesn't do it for me. If you ever get over here, you need to stop by. We have ample extra rooms, and 3 bathrooms. My fish boat turned yacht sleeps 5. We could go and see some bays and beaches. Which reminds me, I missed a gawd damn good fish fry sounds like. I'm pissed off about that.

Out on my boat, in the summer, you get in a bay drop the hook, very often get rafted up to other folks and make new friends. Out come the guitars, fiddles, accordians whatever. Boat parties! That's the way to go.


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Posted by:

Lil

Sebastian: First let me say that I think it's very gracious of you to come here and offer to answer any questions we may have. I do have a question, one that I feel is a legitimate one, and I hope you'll take it as such.

Robbie is the only Band member (other than Richard, who was gone before this site was ever started) who has never _personally_ acknowledged Jan's work here all these years, or even acknowledged the Band site itself. I was wondering why? Thanks for any answer you (or your father) can give me. Much appreciated.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Figgy Duff

Norm, I had a crush on Pam Morgan for oh so long; still do I guess. While the Duff were in the forefront of resurrecting local traditional music, the could also play kickass rock n' roll if the situation called fo it.

Went out behind Back Harbour Gull Island last evening and we hauled aboard about five dozen mackeral in an hour before the wind breezed up. Had us a fish fry last night with a little black rum. Had a bit of a sing-along and yes "Barrett's Privateers' made the set list. Always does.

We're making plans for a west coast vacation next year. Looks like it'll be a group of us doing the cruise thing from Seattle to Alaska. I don't like scripted vacations but apparently I'm not a part of the decision making process. A friend has acquired property on Galiano (sp) Island. Not sure exactly where it is but I think I'd rather hang out there for a couple weeks but me, I just do what I'm told.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Sebastian

After all those long dry years of waiting, ‘the wind Slammin' the back porch door’ , talking girls, chasing rabbits, fixing cars, the rainmaker is in town, Sebastian thanks.

Could well be one of these days someone will say something that’s not so nice, (sometimes we just misconnect due the lack body language ), now we all encounter that from time to time, just hit back or let it go but always keep smiling and come back (like Levon on New York). Everyone here will respect that (although we don’t speak that out loud), you’re one of us.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: Pat B

Hey Pat- Only one way to find out about that John Simon question you pose... I'll ask Rob tomorrow when we get together to watch the Mayweather VS Marquez boxing match. I'm interested to see what he'll have to say about that one! -S


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Posted by:

Jessica Smith

Location: USA
Web: My link

Great Website. Thank you for sharing .


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Jesse Winchester

Kevin: I loved the video of Jesse Winchester with Bonnie Raitt and Emmylou. I'd never seen that before and the quality was excellent!

Deb: Yes, I have seen Jesse Winchester three times in recent years and he does a great solo acoustic show. He and his wife moved to Charlottesville, Virginia a few years ago and I hope they're here to stay. They're great people and it's wonderful to see the reclusive Mr. Winchester in concert that often. There's a YouTube video of him doing "Yankee Lady" in Charlottesville last year. Ironically, the quality is not nearly as good as that 32-year-old video Kevin posted, but you'll get the idea of what his shows are like these days.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Figgy Duff

Mostly to Joe Jennings, (but also anyone who may remember.)

I came in from taking my child bride to dinner this evening, and switched on the tube. To my enjoyment, as the machine was on CBC, there was Stan & Garnet Rogers in the middle of "Barret's Privateers".

The program was "This Beat Goes on" a doc. of Canadian music of the 70's & 80's. So I get to see this band, "Figgy Duff". I don't know how I missed them all these years. Said to have been very popular around New York, so perhaps some of you remember them. They had some great material, and written by their lady singer, Pamela Morgan a real sweet singer. All in all a great program show casing a lot of great Canadian talent, including, Rush, April Wine, Lover Boy, Dan Hill, Bruce Cockburn amoung others.........but, not "The Band".......what the fuck!


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The woods

Subject: The fly

DAVID- "understandable?" After years of debate I thought we finally all agreed that Robbie CAUGHT the fly.

If that's the case, then I go back to my original argument: the fly should have been listed on the credits after the movie.


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Posted by:

Francis Urquhart

Good one, Steve


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Posted by:

Pat B

Sebastian, thanks for the answer. Is there some reason why John Simon would insist that TLW is mostly overdubs, claiming recently that the horns had to be completely redone? Also, any reference I've made to the Complete Last Waltz has had nothing to do with the sound. Just a cursory listen to Caravan for instance shows Rick carving up the changes at the beginning of the song. When TCLW came out there was an attempt here to compare the performances (actually just me) but that ended fairly quickly. I did post that your Dad and Levon's performances appeared almost exactly the same on both the boot and the movie.


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Posted by:

David P.

Sebastian: Thank you for promptly relaying the response regarding the overdubs. Your dad's reference to the enormous undertaking brings to light the fact that most of us have only witnessed The Last Waltz condensed into film time. With all the guest performers and the film crew requiring time for adjustments between the different sets of performances, only those who attended the concert are fully aware of how much it must have truly been a marathon event for those onstage, particularly for The Band, who were out there for the duration. It's understandable that the musicians & the film crew were faced with handling a lot of circumstances on the fly, despite all the advanced preparations & rehearsals.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Excellent news Sebastian.....Thank you and have a great weekend…


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Posted by:

David P.

Kevin J: Even more important & timeless was the music itself and the vintage instruments, amps & equipment in the hands of all those great musicians dressed for the occasion.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: TLW overdubs...

It wasn't until I came across this page that I had ever heard the idea of heavy overdubbing on TLW, with some people even leaning in the direction of it being UN-authentic. So with that in mind, I did exactly what someone posted. I called my dad and asked, "was there a lot of overdubbing in TLW?" His answer was very simple, he said, "no." However he did say that due to some technical difficulties due to the enormous undertaking a few things had to be touched up here and there BUT for the most part there was very little changed, or replayed. I'm not sure who keeps bringing up "The Complete Last Waltz" but to compare that to a fully mixed, and mastered album would be totally impossible. It's a poor sounding bootleg. When even just levels are off it can make singers sound out of tune, the timing can sound off, etc. When I went to the studio during the remastering of TLW I personally heard ZERO overdubs. I think it would be cool if they would release a mixed version of the "complete waltz" Anyways, I was very curious about this topic and am happy that you all were able to shed some light on it for me.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: Kevin J

We have already spoken with Carol Caffin and have agreed to an interview with her. It won't be until the upcoming release but it will happen.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Mike, Unlike You I Always See The Obvious

Really, Mike. Geez I just checked my last post and it might appear I was doing the same to, Peter. You could have pointed that out too if you were really on the ball. In my case it was just a return of service. Just a back to you , Peter, no more.


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Posted by:

Peter V

No, no. A mere punctuation closeness. The sixth category, Steve, F, off my list originally was:

F Hey, Rick. Have you heard “Turning Point” by John Mayall?

(In deference to Bub, I’ll have to explain that time scales don’t count in fantasy worlds. I do know Turning Point was 1969.)

The joke that got Max Miller banned from the BBC was thus. Max was bet a large sum of money that he could not say the F word on 1950s BBC Radio. He agreed he couldn’t say it but guaranteed he could spell it out.

A man went to the optician. The optician said “Read the bottom line on the chart.” So the man reads out “K… G …”

And the optician says, “No, no, you didn’t get it right. Where I see F, you see K.”


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Posted by:

Deb

Thanks for the Jesse Winchester link, Kevin. It sent me looking at some of his newer stuff on YouTube as well as some other old favorites. Charlie, haven't you mentioned seeing him perform in the last couple of years?


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

I may be wrong, Steve, but I think that Peter V is flipping you the bird. If you examine his response, the letter "F" is closely followed by the word "Off."


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: David & Pat

Funny – but not really accurate…… it seems to me that one of the things that actually separates TLW from other docs is exactly the lack of fashion crimes on exhibit…….Rick, Robbie had classic blue blazers on……Rick, Robbie and Levon all had sensible, timeless haircuts – not at all the norm in 1976!……no embarrassing sideburns to be seen…..the guests – Dr. John, Neil Young , Ronnie Hawkins, Muddy and Joni all looked in the film exactly as they looked 10, 15 and 30 years later….I’ll give you Van, Ronnie Wood and assorted bell bottoms but other than that the film – from a strictly aesthetic point of view- holds up remarkably well……


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The threads remain the same...

Alas, there were no TLW film credits for wardrobe or costume design. No doubt, Renee Johnston, the costume stylist for "This Is Spinal Tap", played close attention to those details from TLW.

Similar fashion statements can be found in other period concert films such as "Woodstock", "Gimme Shelter" and "The Song Remains The Same".

Although never officially released for distribution, Robbie sported a spiffy pin-striped suit in "Eat The Document" and then there's the scene with Dylan & Richard where they seek to trade Richard's jacket, among other things, for a comely young lady.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Sebastian......a few more.....RR's thoughts on working with Jesse Winchester and the possibility of Jesse being brought in to add some vocals to a new RR album.....I have also always thought that Ron Sexsmith would be a perfect person for Robbie to work with - is he aware of Ron's work and any possibility of working together?

Above link is Jesse Winchester with two lovely guests....


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Posted by:

Pat B

David P, Richard's suit, Neil Diamond's get-up, all the bell-bottoms...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: "Who? The Band. Do you want me to plug that in there?"

Pat B: Other images, left untouched, come to mind -- Van Morrison's vestments, Neil Young's wandering hand, Eric Clapton's malfunctioning guitar strap and the fly in Robbie's interview soup.


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Posted by:

Pat B

David P, after all that you can still see where the touch-up was.


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Posted by:

David P.

BTW I reckon that rotoscoping a larger image, lets say a pink scarf, out of each frame was just too cost prohibitive. But then again, where did Richard go? (:-)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link to Kashtin song for anyone not familiar with this band. They are singing in the Innu language....

Steve: True enough.......flipping channels the other night trying to avoid more nonsensical health care debate -I came across what was surely an amateur talent contest of a pretty girl writhing about lip syncing to a Shakira song - it was difficult to turn away - I 'll admit....anyhow - when it ended - it turned out that it was actually Shakira.......quite amazing that 10 years later she is still doing exactly the same thing....A Susan Boyle with those moves might just out sell Elvis!

Edits part 123: Helpless - are we not all glad that the final product did not include the funny part where Rick and Robbie came in too early - funny to have seen it live but imagine having to listen to that hundreds of times? That and Mavis's grunt on The Weight remain my two favorite parts of the film....


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: "All my changes were there..." (from Neil Young's "Helpless")

Surprised that no one, even Steve, has pointed out that images in the film frames were also altered in TLW, in at least one scene for Neil Young's performance. Residues of coke had to be rotoscoped out of the picture, costing several thousand dollars, to which Robbie was quoted jokingly as saying "[it] was the most expensive cocaine I've ever bought." In this case, the picture was worth a thousand or so dollars.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: The New Year

I want to wish all my fellow celebrants a very Happy and healthy New Year. Pray for peace in the world.


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, fair enough.

Kevin, I'd say the, Mitsou, Cowboy song depended on the sexy Mitsou video which was one of the early examples of it's kind to push the song's popularity. As a stand alone song it was a piece of crap but sex sells and she's always been a little a head of the curve in her carer moves, still is.

Peter, F, off the top of my head was, "get every quarter you can lay your hands on til you're successful". Good choice, as history shows.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Settle Down and Write a Book

I think there's a simple solution for the answers to the dozens of questions already posed here for Sebastian to pass along to his father: an autobiography. I hope there's one on the way and in the tradition of the guy who penned the line above--Chuck Berry (from "Too Much Monkey Business")--he could write him all by himself, no ghost writer needed.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Back to the Yentikoff autobiography, which is not a well-written book in spite of the collaboration with Marvin Gaye biographer David Ritz. Anyway, the one bit that made me chuckle was his personification of Jon Landau as the world's most artist-obsessed manager. Yentikoff claims that Landau would telephone him in the morning and say, 'Bruce ate the eggs this morning, but he skipped the bacon.'


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Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, stay with me here. There is no reason to think that Sebastian had given any credence to the various published sources about the overdubbing subject--heck, there's no reason to believe he had even seen the sources. That would explain his reaction to it a bit ago. We've all been here a long time and have discussed this, but I wasn't willing to come down hard on the matter until I heard it for myself. I have no doubt that Sebastian will ask RR about it and get back to us. And I have no doubt that part of the answer was to prevent some embarrassment.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Carol Caffin - BAND BITES - Sebastian

Sebastian....I do have one question which leans more towards a request …. Your dad will no doubt do a number of interviews to accompany the release of his new album….to the general public burdened with tweeteresque type clutter of the mind, the regular interviews will no doubt satisfy……however the real dedicated Band/RR fans will be left wanting……..your generous offer to have any and all questions answered is great but there is one other interview option that I would love to see done……..Carol Caffin – former Rick Danko manager and a unique and original a person – has done a series of interviews calked “Band Bites” which are far superior to anything done on the Band and Band related people I have ever seen……..She has a very good website largely dedicated to Rick Danko and while acknowledging a bit of hurt toward Robbie in the past over a an alleged blow off out side some sort of function years ago – I have no doubt that making arrangements with Carole for Robbie to do a Band Bite interview would be extremely satisfying for all involved – especially Band fans and members of this GB.....


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: All Together Now

Kevin, I believe Bob W. is here, if only in spirit.

Did anyone else know there was a feud between Michael Jackson and Prince?

The only question I have for Robbie that has not been asked is: Was the scarf he wore in TLW pink or red? Other than that, I think we've covered it.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, you've got to be kidding. Here's a much more simple way for Sebastien to find out. Sebastien picks up phone, dials a number and says, " Dad, hi, Sebastien here, got a question for you, was there any overdubbing in TLW, is there a lot of overdubbing in TLW?". Pat, as a simple guy I always look for the simple solution.

Then there is the way Sebastien introduced the overdubbing question which was interesting. No one had mentioned overdubbing of TLW til then. It's just a rumour was his contention. That must be based on something. What? Go back to the beginning of this post to see how it could be cleared up. No one has a better connection to the answer.

David, it is the soundtrack editing that's in question, isn't it? Let he who slits no hairs fling the first follicle.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Everybody is getting fat except Mama Cass………A really good period lately in the GB – better if bob w and some others would return but good to see a lot of old names writing in…….a few points/questions:

* Robbie was featured ( and a very recent interview at that ) in a CBC special which aired last night on the 80’s music scene in Canada……a clip of him doing Somewhere down the Crazy River and talking about how the song was created…..more interesting though were his comments on working with Kashtin ( the best and most original group to emerge from Canada in the 80’s ) and he found it exhilarating to work with two guys ( Claude McKenzie and Florent Volant ) that in his words were just great and original singers……….immediately made me think of just how fortunate Robbie was to have spent 16 years with three of the most gifted and original vocalists the rock/pop world has ever known…..a long way of asking why Robbie wouldn’t free himself a little and have 2 or 3 carefully chosen singers appear on upcoming releases doing complete and original songs……..Understand I do like his voice very very much on certain songs ( Crazy River, Showdown at Big Sky, Out of the Blue… ) but listening to Storyville again recently – just could not help thinking how some of those songs seemed to have been written for someone other than Robbie to sing….. if Robbie had written "It Makes No Difference" in 1987 - would the world have been deprived of a great song because rules seem to dictate that solo albums must have all vocals by the guy releasing the album?....Yes, he could have sung it but let's face it - it would not have been the transcendent 4 minutes of magic that Rick made it....I believe that Robbie would agree with this...

* Funny thing about last nights show which says something about Canada and 80’s music……I just don’t know what exactly…….RR was featured and so was Leonard Cohen and the brilliant/out of this world Mary Margaret O’Hara…..however Mitsou’s “Bye Bye Mon Cowboy” was given an equal amount of profile….


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Posted by:

Pat B

No, Steve, you are correct. I'm not Robbie's son. However it was close to twenty years after TLW that I knew there was a fair amount of overdubbing, when The Complete Last Waltz came out and I got a copy to compare. Have you a copy? I know you wouldn't rely on someone's word from some autobiography. Unless Sebastian has a copy of the boot and was silly enough to make side by side comparisons, he would have to rely on those published views to know. Plus, I'd give him 20 years from his first viewing to figure it out, just like it took me.

Sebastian, when Levon left the Dylan tour in November of 1965, did the remaining four members of the Hawks think that they would reconnect with him again?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Roblee & Yee, not Robbie

While he was a producer and was certainly involved in editing the soundtrack, is was not Robbie who edited the film, but rather Jan Roblee & Yeu-Bun Yee (who had also worked on "Woodstock").


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Posted by:

Peter V

Pick a letter, Steve? I think, F. Off The Wall has always been one of the great collaborations, between Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson. I was surprised to read in Yentikoff's autobiography, that Michael was insanely jealous of credit going to Quincy Jones.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Cocteau, Van Gogh, Geronimo, Shakespeare & Truffaut

"The Moon Struck One" proves that Robbie, a high school drop-out, achieved a high degree in self-education. The song, which draws inspiration from Francois Truffaut's classic film "Jules et Jim", also alludes to a Shakespearean quote.

"Hide not thy poison with such sugar'd words;
Lay not thy hands on me; forbear, I say;
Their touch affrights me as a serpent's sting."
--Henry VI (from Henry VI / Part 2, Act III scene 2)

And we also have a Biblical reference in Proverbs 23:32:

"At last it biteth like a serpent,
and stingeth like an adder [viper]."


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, the first couple of times anyone really into Band watches TLW they're too much into the songs and performance to pay attention to the small details so the fact you and probably everyone else didn't notice the overdubs the first couple of times through is understandable. 30 years on it's a little harder to make the oversight case. Besides you're not Robbie's son. TLW is arguably Robbie's cinematic debut, his first major movie editing job and he was working with one of Hollywood's big name directors. It's also probably the Band's best known production. If it was your father's work and you were into the music business to the degree Sebastien is I think it's hard to make that argument that he doesn't know TLW at least as well as posters here do. But as usual, I'm probably wrong.

PETER. Vanna here. Please pick a letter, any letter, don't be afraid. You're holding up the game and the sponsors don't like that.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Sebastian! It's very kind and gracious of you to try and aswer some questions and to allow us to make some comments which I hope you'll be the heavenly messenger. I've always been a Robbiesonian myself. ;-D

1. Is there any video of "Out Of The Blue"? The first time I chatted with someone from Aussieland on this site he ended our cyber conversation with...

Sometimes I don't know you You're like someone else But that's allright I'm a stranger here myself

She don't shed a tear When I walk out that door She knows, she knows I'll be coming back for more

2. Does he agree with me that his guitar playing on "Crazy Love" with Aaron Neville singing is his most elegant and otherworldly? I always fantasize that I'm playing guitar for him at an award show honouring him when I hear this song. I have a good imagination. LOL Maybe Robbie might want to tap into this sound once again!

3. What qualities does he look for in a companion?

3.When The Hawks stayed at your late Gran's home....was it the one at 193 First Avenue in Riverdale? When I met your Dad for the first time I showed him the photo I took of this home and he signed the back of it. (I was soooo high, high, high, for a month after!) Why did Levon think he lived in Cabbagetown? Robbie playing games with him? ;-D Did he also live in the Bloor/Bathurst area in Toronto? When he attended briefly the High School in Scarborough; where did he live then? A former poster here was in his grade 10 typing and math classes at RH King Academy. Would you believe that she didn't tell me so until after we were friends for awhile. I guess she wanted to make sure my intentions were honourable. LOL

4. Could Levon's fuuuuued with Robbie be based on the fact that they once were very close as brothers and really cared for each other? Was Robbie and Dylan close as brothers or was their connection more of a musical one?

5. How does Robbie feeeeeel that some years the webmaster aknowledges his birthday and some years he doesn't while the other Band members are always aknowledged in the What's New section of this site? Carol Caffin however did wish him a happy birthday on her site. At one time he was cool enough to set up a brown eyed girl page with all the links I would send. They were on all Band members not only on Robbie and then one day....poof! No more.....

6.What have you learned from your dad that has affected you in a positive way in your life's journey? What did Robbie learn from his Ma that most affected him?

7. Is there anyone Robbie hasn't played with that he still would like to jam with?

8.I'm a huuuuge roots reggae fan. Does Robbie dig reggae at all and if so what's one of his favourite songs?

9. Why won't Robbie perform for us in his hometown???????? I just want to see him play guitar!!!!!! Daniel Lanois has said that Robbie is an emotional guitar player. Yes.....that's why I dig his playing so much!!!!!

10.One of my favourite lines of his is...."When you find what's worth keeping, with a breath of kindness blow the rest away."

11.I've always respected the fact that no matter how much he's been bashed publicly he usually doesn't retaliate in public. It's one of his qualities that showed class and grace.....like his Ma. :-D

12. Why did he not perform at Canadian Music Week the way Daniel Lanois did? How come there was no meet and greet as well? What was he thinking when he promoted Dana Glover? He should check out Holly McNarland who's also part Native from Winnipeg. She toured with The Wallfowers once.

Please tell Robbie thank you for the music he's shared with all of us and I can't wait for his next recording! The Band and Robbie's solo work means as much to me as the work of Dylan, Van Morrison, Bob Marley, Louuuu Reed and Garland Jeffreys!

Hei Norbert! Yes I think I still have a few scars on my face for taking a rebel stand. You were my knight in shining honour at times when I was bashed around as well. Many thank yous. :-D

Hi Tenn with Wit! If I need a lawyer after my post can I call on you? Huh, huh? You were also there when the game got rough. Thank you! I learned the hard way that no one could get to me when I finally realized that my shield is my passion for music. Peter V was another poster.....Thank you!

How does Robbie deal with slander and gossip and propaganda?


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Posted by:

Steve

Come on Pete,

A B C

Easy as 1 2 3

or simple as

Do Re Mi

A B C

Pick One Pete

Which'll it be?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Over by the lake, looking at the drake, eating hake, thinking about a wake

Tenn! What a pleasant surprise to see your post with enough questions to think about for a week. As you know “stung by a snake over by the lake” is my least favourite RR lyric, possibly the only one I don’t like. But it does have literature on its side. Hamlet:

Now, Hamlet, hear

tis given out that, sleeping in my orchard,


A serpent stung me;

Also, Merchant of Venice:

What, wouldst thou have a serpent sting thee twice?

Where it goes wrong in the lyric is that both ‘serpent’ and ‘sting’ are archaic uses, which collocate, but they jar when one of the two is modernized. You can be stung by a serpent, but bitten by a snake.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Adam's question

Of all Robbie's guitars the one he used on ROA is the one I most like the sound of. I bought a red (Tokai) Strat coy after seeing the 74/75 pictures but given a second chance I'd go for the blonde Tele with the humbucker. Also , were there any Band projects were Robbie wasn't the main driver? thanks Rod


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Posted by:

BWNWITenn

Hi, Sebastian. I'm a former regular at this site. Don't really look at it much anymore because I think it's got a healthy share of BS on several different levels, but I do check it out every once in awhile. You really seemed to be seeking more controversial questions, so I tried to think of a whole bunch of things in short order. Most of these aren't terribly important, and some may be too personal, so feel free to pick and choose as you see fit. I just wanted to give a wide range of possible questions. Some of them are things that used to be talked about here from time to time. I'll try to think of some better ones later. I really don't look here very often, so some of these might have already been asked. Thanks for doing this, it's cool.

Here they are, in no particular order of significance, stupidity or controversy:

Where did he live when they were touring the South as the Hawks? Did he always crash at Levon's parents' house, or did he rent his own place eventually? Stay with Ronnie Hawkins? Did the whole band rent a house somewhere in Arkansas?

After Robbie first came down to Arkansas on the train as a teenager to join the Hawks, how often did he get back up to see his mom? Did he ever get homesick during that time?

Considering the current state of the music industry, with declining sales and piracy, and this stage of his career/popularity, what is his motivation for doing another album now?

Presumably he became a U.S. citizen at some point? When? What about the other guys in The Band?

Was he ever asked or did he consider doing any post-Katrina benefits for New Orleans or N.O. musicians?

Specifically for the Band fans on this site, who often seem to enjoy wallowing and lathering in it, and as opposed to his typically tactful responses given in interviews, what are his REAL feelings on all the shit Levon has stirred up?

Were there ever any serious thoughts/efforts at doing a full Band reunion? ie, particularly in the early '90s.

Considering The Band wasn't exactly Led Zeppelin, and he hasn't released any new albums in a decade, is he as financially comfortable as some fans seem to imagine?

Is he still married to your mom?

What does he most regret about The Band? Could be anything, from a broad "We should have done more albums" or "the loss of friendships" to a specific "the mixing of the beginning of my guitar solo in King Harvest."

In my opinion, he's had two specific major guitar tones in his career - the raunchy Rock of Ages Tele sound and then the smooth, processed Strat sound he seems to have developed for Storyville and then stuck with ever since. How did he come up with his "new" tone? Does he have any motivation to find a new sound for his new album?

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow (either kind)?

How exactly, being as specific as possible, did he research the historical facts in "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"?

What is his opinion of the song "Strawberry Wine"?

Why, based on "The Moon Struck One," does he seem to believe that snakes can sting people?

What did the guys in The Band think about Joan Baez's version of Dixie when it was released?

Did any of the other guys in The Band ever express frustration at the time the group was together that Robbie's income was greater than theirs because of his songwriting royalties (ie, when the Baez release came out)?

How badly was Dylan hurt when he crashed his motorcycle in Woodstock?

What is the song Stage Fright about?

Even though he doesn't tour, if he was offered a million dollars to do one performance at a corporate function, would he do it?

Despite the interviews he gave at the time claiming otherwise, Storyville being a New Orleans themed album kind of seems to have come up halfway through recording it. "What About Now" was written several years earlier, and there are references to Coney Island, etc. Was it really intended all along to be a New Orleans album with the romantic storyline, or was that just some shit he made up once it was done?

Who is his favorite current visual artist?

Has he read the book, "Storyville, New Orleans," by Al Rose?

If Levon Helm offered to patch up their friendship, a la Pink Floyd at Live 8, but only on the condition that he agreed to perform and/or record with Levon and Garth as The Band, with Robbie sharing vocal duties with Levon, would he do it in order to salvage the friendship?

If he was a 15-year-old kid in 2009, does he think that he would become a musician?

Has he ever tried to play slide guitar?

His first solo album was rumored to be very expensive. What label is his new album going to be on? Who is financing it? Has he felt any frustrations over having a budget to produce this album to his satisfaction?

Who is his favorite young guitar player?

Was he self-conscious about his singing voice while in The Band?

He lives in Malibu. Has he ever surfed?

Has Robbie Robertson ever worn a pair of bicycle shorts?

Does he ever listen to any current Country artists?

Does he like to cook?

Does he like pets?

Who does he consider to be the best drummer that he has ever played with?

Tell him thanks for doing this. And please tell him that his Storyville album really turned me onto the history of New Orleans, to the point where I checked out the remains of Lulu White's saloon next to Mahogany Hall last time I was down there.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Sebastian - really pushing the friendship here...

Does your dad remember which book he sourced 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' in? Speaking as a professional historian, that song is great history!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Taylor, I believe the audio files had to be removed for copyright reasons.

The point is, Bob, when you enter a world with time machines (you know, like Star Trek or stuff), you can bend reality, so you can make Steve Gadd older. I'm trying to think of the word you use to describe this sort of idea, ah, yes, got it, "fiction." Or you can just assume that someone as musically aware as Robbie would have had the Gap Mangione album he featured on in 1968. He didn't need to be famous, merely as good on drums. It's not really the point. Read in Jim Keltner if it makes it easier to get the joke. Has that helped?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Funnier & Funnier.


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Posted by:

Taylor Bozelka

Location: Upper Michigan

Hello, I haven't been able to access the audio files, just want to know if its my computer or the site?


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Posted by:

BONK

Ahh Ernie, I think he said he hoped it would raise a smile.


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Posted by:

Ernie Banks

Considering twenty two year old Steve Gadd was pretty much an unknown in 1967 that's a rather far fetched notion there, Mr. Veeeee.

That was a ridiculous post on many levels.

Sebastian, I would like to know if your father is able to keep from hurling if and when he reads some of a certain poster's bombastic bullshit.

Also, with all of Robbie's clout in the soundtracking world why hasn't the musical genius that is Garth Hudson had steady composing work over the past few decades? The fact he has not been called upon in a very long time is a sad commentary on Robbie in this Band fan's book.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Thanks Pat for sharing that experience. SEBASTIAN: I have a question. It is easy as a fan to see your dad as a member of The Band first and foremost, with the rest of his body of work as what came afterward, regardless of whether or not it is superior. What has been Robbie's most personally satisfying era of his career and what era has been his personal happiest and why?


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: SEBASTIAN

What inspired "Chest Fever"? Hopefully, you can find the answer to this.It is my fav song by The Band.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: SEBASTIAN

Sebastian. Could you please ask your Dad if he remembers going to the Bluenote or Club Bluenote just off Yonge Street in the early Sixties. There was a House Band there (that changed all the time) that backed up a lot of Stars and up and comers from Detroit. I think one of the Frontmen for one of the housebands was called Bobby Dupont. Lots of great players like Toby Lark, Shawne Jackson, The Tops. The Shirelles, The Supremes, Jay Smith (who now goes by the name Eugene Smith) Mary Wells and on and on. Did your Dad or any of the boys ever play there? I seem to remember that the Club was open to all hours and was owned by a guy named Al Stein or Stien. Did any of these people influence your Dad at the time? I was one of the shoe shine kids (when it was still safe to do so) and I remember a lot of these folks heading for the Club after a shine. This was probably '62-'64 but, alas, I was too young to get into the Clubs. (So sometimes we would sneak in and then get our asses kicked out). The talent on Yonge Street in those days was incredible. Thank you.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Lars, my friend, it only makes sense that both of us are sitting at computers thinking about things at the same time. BTW, I believe that RR himself has talked about Chest Fever as employing scratch lyrics, although wasn't The Swede referenced in a BT song?


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The woods of NY

Subject: more of the same

Sebastian- I'm in awe of your patience. So I'll tax it some more. This whole process kind of reminds me of early Puritan punishment for suspicion of witchcraft: they would take some poor guy and tie him to the ground and slowly lay stones upon his body, one by one. The object was to force him to confess his guilt (then he was REALLY in trouble). Eventually he would suffocate from all of the stones heaped upon him, and I guess somebody would say, "Wow, I was wrong. He was innocent."

I was wondering if anybody has asked you yet about Robbie's use of "scratch lyrics" (words that made no sense, but fit into the meter of the melody he was composing. Then, afterwards, RR could go back and put in different lyrics if he wanted to). This concept has been discussed in this GB, usually after reading the "stampeding cattle, they rattle the walls" lyrics in "It Makes No Difference." Or some of the lyrics in "Chest Fever."

Thanks in advance, again. I can just imagine RR saying, "What does he mean, they make no sense? Canya find one question that _I_ think makes sense?"


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Posted by:

Pat B

This is for jtullfan and anyone else interested in such matters. I used to frequent a great Fillmore style place in Chicago called the Kinetic Playground. One of my faves back then--besides the boys--was the Vanilla Fudge (yeah, I know, but they were great players). Anyway, they were headlining one night and I got there early for a good space to sit--general admission but no one stood. A very funky floor btw. So two bands opened, neither of which I had heard of but one came with a rep. People said that this new band Led Zeppelin used to be the Yardbirds so I was pretty excited. But opening the show was Jethro Tull who someone said was a blues band. I still recall the impact they had. Barre had replaced Mick Abrahams and Stand Up was about to be released and they played almost the entire album. New Day Yesterday, Bouree, Fat Man, and their sound was pristine. When they finished, I thought this was a band that was going to be big.

Next up was Led Zep. One word: sucked. Noisy, loose, white boy blooze, yuch. When they finished, I thought we'd never hear from them again.

To complete the story, VF seemed post-verbal, possible acid taking involved. Within a few weeks I bought Stand Up and was quite pleased, but when I heard LZ's first I couldn't believe it was the same band.

To reiterate, JT was one of the cleanest sounding groups I had ever heard, especially at the Kinetic.

Overdubs. The Official Basement Tapes far outweighs anything else for egregious use of overdubbing. Recording brand new versions of old songs and distressing the audio to match the original BT is pretty bad. You also have to wonder whether Greil Marcus was in on it as his effusive liner notes portray him practically as a waif. Years ago I posted a list of all the overdubs but I don't have it anymore. Probably in the archives somewhere. But as far as slagging Sebastian for being unaware of the overdub questions, pretty lame. I really didn't think that TLW was overdubbed the first ten times I saw it, and I was thrilled with the Band stuff on the official BT--and still am. It wasn't until I became stupidly obsessed with such things that I found out the various realities, and really what good did it do? I had great memories of Watkins Glen and I thought the boys sounded superb. But when I heard a boot of the performance, ouch. So Sebastian was unaware of overdubs on TLW. Big deal. If that's hilarious, you must be dull.

On that note, Sebastian, what was the story with that Watkins Glen release?


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Posted by:

Claire

Subject: Sebastian

My only question for Robbie is when and where can we see him perform? Please say that it will be soon and often.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Sebastian

Sebastian, I just wondered what does Robbie think of Jan's site, does he read the GB sometimes?

Anyway, please let him know that our Brown Eyed Girl (the lovely Angelina from Toronto) always takes a rebel stand for him.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Somebody loan me a dime

In September 1967 a phone call cost a dime (in New Orleans just a nickel).


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Grinning From Ear To Ear

Peter, how about putting an end to your occasional alluding to the expend ability of various members, but Levon in particular, and chose a letter yourself. Will that be , A, B , C or D? I would add another choice, lets call it E. Give Rick every quarter you can beg, borrow or steal and tell him if he needs more quarters, GET THEM!

Now how about you Peter? Going to finally commit?


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Posted by:

Matt Selin

Subject: Sebastian

It's hard when you only get one chance to ask a question, and I'm guessing the reason being we don't want to hurt any feelings. I guess my one question pertains to sex, drugs and rock and roll. Did the members ever get romantically involved with another big name celebrity and was Robbie a big druggie? What did he think of Richard's issues early on? And my most important question, what order did Robbie write his songs for Music from Big Pink? Did he write To Kingdom Come first?

What, based on Robbie's memory, are To Kingdom Come and Caledonia Mission about?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Mary Travers

Joan: I heard about Mary Travers, too, and she certainly had lots of connections to The Band, the biggest perhaps being Albert Grossman. I got to meet Ms. Travers backstage at Wolf Trap a couple of years ago and she was not well at that point. Last month Peter Yarrow and Paul Stookey performed at that venue with a little help from old friend Tom Paxton, but without Mary Travers, so I was not surprised when I heard of her death. It's a cliche, but it is truly the passing of an era as Peter, Paul and Mary were American musical icons for nearly a half century. Her voice will be missed.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Questions!

Sebastian, thanks so much for this opportunity. I’m an occasional poster here (used to post more in the 1990s). Going to try my hand at some questions:

1. Ask Robbie to share a fond memory concerning his friendship/partnership with Richard in the early days of The Band, perhaps something that isn’t common knowledge.

2. The rumors of a new album are exciting. What prompted Robbie to start writing and recording again? Can we get more details of the album (is there an overall concept, sound, etc) and what stage it’s in.

3. What music does Robbie listen to himself these days? What CDs have been in his player in the last six months (new, vintage, etc) that he really loves.



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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Dylan Xmas

I listened to the sound bites on Amazon. The musicians,the back up vocals, and the arrangements are very good, but when Dylan sings it sounds like someone putting me on. I had to check to see if this was really an album. Yup! it is. This might scare Santa away.

On a sad note, RIP Mary Travers. Her voice is in a lot of my memories


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Sebastian - how does your father view Cahoots after all these years? The songs are more complicated and at times (for me) chaotic - some seem to have a movie soundtrack theme to them. Yet at times, I think I can see that his later work is a much more focused and streamlined evolution from that work. I personally do not like Cahoots but I see traits of it, albeit far superior, in his first two solo records. Does he draw any paralells with some of the work on Cahoots to his first two solo records?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Questions

Two questions, the first serious, the second (hopefully) to raise a smile.

Storyville is the most Band-like solo project to many people’s ears. So much so that it was rumoured to be intended as a Band album. I know Rick was due to sing, but had to be replaced by Neil Young (as Robbie said “to get that high Canadian sound”). Was it intended at any point to reunite the Band?

If you could go back to September 1967, what would you do? Rick is standing there saying, ‘Wow! A Capitol contract! Give me a quarter, and I’ll go call Levon … ask him to come back. No one hits the skins like Levon!”

What would you do /say stepping out of that time machine?

A Sorry, I don’t have a quarter

B Hey, here’s Steve Gadd’s number …

C Let’s get Mickey back from the coast

D Give Rick the quarter

E Say: Garth can play two keyboards. Leave Richard on drums and keep the split four ways.



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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: questions...

ok, i've gathered a bunch so far. is that it? my dad is currently in the studio with E.C. and when they finish up this round i'll sit down and go through these with him. i must say that i'm surprised by the tameness of most of the questions.

i've read some really great things here and am really happy that i stumbled across this page and have had the opportunity to connect with fans of The Band in this semi-digitally-intimate way. i also can speak for my dad in saying that he has been happy to answer the questions. he seems interested when people want to know the specifics, and the small details. i think someone had asked what instrument he wrote a bunch on the NLSC songs on and it was fun to watch him dig deep into the memory banks and remember how it happened. anyways, if you have one don't hold it back.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Monty Python Alive And Well In Quebec

I haven't heard any other term used for PA. Actually I heard the term used in a local news story this morning. As I'm sure you're aware we live under the dictates of L'Office De La Langue Francais here in Jolly Old Keebec.

The L'Office,( sorry, can never miss a chance to go Hawkish))has its self appointed squads of Guarders of The Lingo that squeal on establishments that are flaunting the law.

A Loblaws in Magog has been ratted out for,(please sit for this) speaking in English over the store's PA announcing sales in English as well as French.

The store has refused to stop doing it because they say half their clientele are English.

The L'Office has told the owner that he can respect the law and continue to use English if they use only half as many words in English as they used in the French announcements.

The L'Office seems to be trying to transfer the commercial signs law specifications of English lettering being only half the size of French lettering to speech.

I'm going to call the store manager and suggest they use as many words but whisper the announcements in English. I think half the volume is a better equivalent than less words, too much would get lost in translation. Only in Keebec you say!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dream trio

That's a three piece band to reckon with … drums, bass, and guitar!


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Elvis Costello's TV show

I see where he's taping in NYC next week with a trio of guests that include: Levon Helm, Nick Lowe & Richard Thompson.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I was working under the assumption that this October would be like any other October - but if XMas is already a-coming in Peter's bit of England, can we possibly hold it at bay for another couple weeks here? I fear not. And don't they still call it the PA?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Bill, in the 1950s people wrote to The Times to announce that they'd heard the first cuckoo of Spring. The modern equivalent is hearing the first Christmas song of early Autumn, though until the 21st September we are still officially in late summer.

I spotted the first Christmas displays going up in a Garden Centre ten days ago. In the UK, garden centres specialize in all-things Christmas and have Santas and huge displays as a way of making up the autumn / winter slack in the gardening business.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Back To The Future

Hey Bill, I've often wondered what happened to Mr. Peabody's Way Back Machine. I guess I now know and am impressed that, one, it's in Canada, and two, that you've been able to ,with a truly Canucklehead nod, get it to go both ways. October?


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: is it that time already?

I had a little taste of Amazon's sample of "The Christmas Song," a particular favourite of mine. Or at least it used to be . . . . Except possibly for a potential condition of enormously enhanced mood, I can't imagine a circumstance where that old man's croaking would be anything but depressing. Hmmm, perhaps it suits the season after all.

And BD is once again singing of eskimaux, as he did in the basement . . . where he also essayed a whaling song . . . indicating once again that the Basement Tapes are the alpha and omega of popular song in the twentieth centuries . . . .


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: I find it deflating to be walked through a mall in October with Christmas songs already being played over the PA. Most depressing of all is when they're being sung by Karen Carpenter. Don't know if Dylan will help, but I live in hope.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: These Times They Are A Changing

I heard a story this morning about a guy and his wife leaving a Peter, Paul And Mary concert in Maryland in 83. They were walking across the parking lot and were quietly singing These Times They Are A Changing when they heard someone singing harmony. They turned around and saw it was Mary Travers singing with them.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan - Blowin' In The Wind with Stevie Wonder Peter Paul and MARY 1986


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Who's got a big red shiny nose

For your listening pleasure. What's next? Gangsta rap? Whaling songs?


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Web: My link

RIP Mary Travers, age 72. (Band connection: Dylan, Grossman, You Are What You Eat, etc.)


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Posted by:

Adam

Sebastian - could you ask your father about the history of his "Rock of Ages" blonde telecaster? I'm talking about the model year, pickups, modifications, etc. Did the guitar have a natural finish, or was it stripped? What type of humbucker did he use in the neck position? How did he typically utilize that pickup configuration?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Well Brien, at least it wasn't his car keys!


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Posted by:

Matt

Sebastian, does your father frequently reminisce about his former Bandmates? Ever talk about Richard or Rick? Which artists did he like back during the 60's and 70's? Thanks


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: on 78RPM

"The tempo adopted in these recordings was slightly more brought up than in the practice because of duration, which was limited by the recorded runlength -- disks of less than five minutes on each side -- and the tonic of the modes was not completely identical to what was made at the moment … Tougher was the duty of the singer of those times; to match the carbon microphone voiceband, the singers performed on shited notes, accurately tuned of a quarte or a tierce higher in function of the part of the song; doubtlessly the only way of being listened"


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Classic fan moment for families and baseball. See link


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Vinyl collection

Peter V, I'm not a collector, but -- Wow, what a find!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Keeping in mind your recent pissing post, imagine my shock at seeing the heading on a news release today: "Health Canada Recall Notice - Purple Slice Wet Wet".

Also, it occurred to me that the lyrics I recall are from the title song of the "Fog on the Tyne" album. The closest I've gotten to the real Lindisfarne is the very charming sea-side village of Alnmouth on the English mainland a couple of villages to the south. North of Newcastle but still a bit short of MacGod's Country eh?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Peter, that's interesting about Tull's live mixing many years ago. They may be one of the few band's who's live recording's are untouched or minimally so. On one of their box set's, Ian even comments in the liner notes about Martin Barre's guitar disappearing halfway through the song due to a soundboard error, and it remains that way on the release even though it could have been conveniently added later in the studio.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, all I can say is that in case someone, such as yourself, still didn't get the level of sincerity of paragraph #1, I kept going further afield with #2.

I guess you don't think I'm including myself when I said the other day that,"NO ONE"!!!!, should take autobiographies for dispassionate or objective takes on someone's life or the events there in. I've always included my self in the group when I say NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!. Phew! I'm almost glad to stop milking that one. Now, where's my autographed copy of TWOF,AKA The Bible, I still haven't been able to completely memorize the last chapter word for word.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Location: Steve

1st paragragh: Untrue...what was it Dunc was saying about Cringe.......for someone who loves to question accepted wisdom...that book by Hammer of the Gods fictuion writer sure got you hook, line and sinker.....2nd paragragh: Funny


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Truh

Steve: On days like this I'm glad that Dunc's over there, well out of range.

Peter V: What a cache! You can now happily retire from the field, but I know you won't.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, of course you left out the heavy, multi-layered over dubbing of Robbie's vocals in TLW. Also, the on\off switch which was in the off position during the performance was made to appear to be in the ON position in the movie. I believe his bulging neck veins were also pumped up in the editing room.

I've also heard whispers that his scarf was lengthened and narrowed down to a more fashionable width and that the actual texture of the scarf was softened since he was actually wearing the hand knitted BLUE woolen scarf that he used when he went tobogganing as a youngster as a nod to his homeland. I guess we can guess that it was color enhanced as well.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Peter V

Peter, I have to ask. Don't you drive your wife crazy with all your "stuff" you have collected? I live with a packrat, so I can sympathize. ;-)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Yes

Brien, I saw Yes several times in the early days. I saw them around 1969 in Croydon and it was the first time I saw a British band with the sound mixer at the back of the hall (both Fleetwood Mac and Jethro Tull did this earlier, according to their roadie’s autobiography, but I don’t remember either mixing at the back of the hall). Anyway, whether in the low-ceilinged Marquee where I saw them twice before that, or in a large hall (probably a university dining hall) the sound was immaculate. The first time I saw them I was totally blown away by the sound quality, and Tony Kaye particularly impressed. Because they were all studio perfectionists, I doubt that live stuff went unpolished, but they really could reproduce their songs live. Actually, I’m not fond of much after the first couple of albums though.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: For the vinyl collectors …

Strictly for the record collectors!

I checked out an antique shop (not a record shop) that had a box of singles in the doorway at 50p each or 12 for £5. The guy said he’d just bought them in. The first one I picked up was Sweet Little Sixteen by Jerry Lee Lewis, and it was spotless. Next was Ram-Bunk-Shush by Bill Doggett, Nadine by Chuck Berry, Come Softly To Me by The Fleetwoods, Poison Ivy by The Coasters. I thought I was dreaming. I ended up with 63 for £25, all 1965-65, all from one source, judging by the neat written record numbers. It goes on, Little Richard, Les Paul, Gene Vincent, all original releases.

So I was sorting through them slowly just now, and one wasn’t in a company sleeve, Poison Ivy by The Paramounts (who mutated into Procul Harum). I tutted as it was in a card sleeve with writing all over. Then I read it. “All The Best from The Paramounts.” then signatures for Gary Brooker and Barrie Wilson (B.J. Wilson). I think the lot comprise the best find since I started collecting.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Another Way Out

The Allman Brothers Band's monumental "At The Fillmore East" illustrates another example of "live" recordings. Although the band members did no overdubs in the studio, producer Tom Dowd used a somewhat heavy hand in editing the perfomances. In some instances the songs were condensed in length, like "Mountain Jam" with an early fade out including spliced-in applause. Mr. Dowd also edited out Thom Doucette's harmonica solo on "Stormy Monday". The group had recorded a series of shows over several days during their Fillmore stand, and Mr. Dowd also edited together different portions from different performances of certain songs together for the released version. For an early show the band tried using a horn section, but, when Dowd played back the tapes, he reportedly wasn't too happy with the perfomances and decided not to use anything from that set.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Bela Fleck and others go up on Cripple Creek

See link...


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Sittin' on a sofa, on a sunday afternoon

Songwriter Simon's sibilants suggest skillful songwriting...



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: TLW

One more thing………If Levon’s vocals were untouched and so were guests, then 19 of 24 songs are live….The fact that some bass and keyboards were cleaned up….would not qualify the end product as “completely” or even “highly” overdubbed….certainly not in comparison to Waiting on Columbus or other albums where all singing is studio rather than live.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Going to a Go Go

luke m: Johnny Rivers first two albums, "At The Whisky a Go Go" and "Here We Go Again", were both recorded live (with a little studio polish). On both Mr. Rivers were accompanied by Joe Osborn on bass and Eddie Rubin (not Mickey Jones) on bass.

At the time Mickey Jones was working with Trini Lopez whose Reprise debut album "At PJs" was also recorded live a year before Mr. Rivers' Whisky LP. Both Lopez and Rivers, like other artists, had recorded earlier material for small labels, but these were their major label debuts.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Little Feet’s Waiting for Columbus was completely overdubbed – 100% of the vocals and guitar work……..this isn’t just a Band thing….In the what has this world come to department courtesy of the tonight show……….a nutty rapper jumps up on stage and makes an inappropriate comment and is literally thrown out of the auditorium…..a congressman yells at the President of the United States that he’s a liar during a State of the Union address and is allowed to remain seated……….MTV now has higher standards of behavior than the US government…..amazing…..


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Posted by:

Ernie Banks

Let's not forget the complete lie that is "Live at Watkins Glen". Or the misleading "Rock of Ages". Or "The Basement Tapes" in their own special category.

Tell it like it is.


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Posted by:

luke m

Bill, Gene Clark might just take the sibilance prize (1975) for this effort: 'said she saw the sword of sorrow sunken in the sand of searching souls' ... it actually works quite well in context!

Are there any other examples of bands choosing to release a live album to debut their sound to the world other than the MC5? (Though I guess Please Please me is pretty much a live album given the time it took to record, the same must be true of many early to mid 60's debuts, wasn't the Who's first album recorded in less than the time it takes to play it?)


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: NRBQ At Yankee Stadium

Then there's NRBQ's great 1978 Mercury album "At Yankee Stadium", complete with cover photos of the group in an empty Yankee Stadium. It was actually recorded at Bearsville Studio years before the group's feud with Albert Grossman temporarily stymied their career.


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Posted by:

Steve

Medley, Live From Northern Quebec, ( Hickory Wind and Cash on The Barrel Head) sounds like a barroom recording complete with breaking glasses and slurring drunks.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

When I was in High School, (mid-late seventies), Yessongs was my favorite live album - still love it. When I read the Yes biography, there was no mention of it being overdubbed. After hearing and reading all I have over the years about "live" recordings, I can't help but wonder if those efforts weren't touched up to some degree.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: line in studio

Let us not forget 'Live from Northern Quebec'. Or was it Gaspe? Labrador?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Live vs Studio

I've been wracking my brain, trying to remember what group released a studio album, with the audience cheering from 'Kiss Alive', which (1 - I've posted here before, I think), is a really cool idea...

Live albums - sigh... they all try to catch the atmosphere of being there - few have done it: the Who, Live t Leeds. I think Peter V has praised bands, such as Supertramp for making their live shows just like the albums. the Eagles can do this too, and Pink Floyd (fairly amazingly, though sampling has made it somewhat easier than tape loops). some bands, of course, can't. (Queen, for example - still a great live show). some can't because they never had the chops in the first place. Poison, for example, released an excruciatingly awful live album in about 1991..



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Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, the secret of live recordings is to leave enough flaws and rough edges to create atmosphere without being really raw. Which is why even well-recorded bootlegs sound rawer and rougher than live albums.

Then there's a whole other category, the fake live record. There were a good few of those in the 60s, even if some were recorded in a studio before an imported audience. Others just had crowd noise added.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Cirque Brings Down The House

Tull, you might find it amusing to hear that the first performance by Guy Laliberte and his Cirque De Soleil literally, " brought down the house".

It was in the town of Gaspe here in Quebec. They had enough money to rent a circus size big top but not enough money to hire a crew to put it up so they did it themselves. During the performance it started to rain and blow hard( Gaspe is on the north Atlantic) and the tent actually collapsed. No one was hurt as far as I remember. That show was less than perfect.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Hey JTull

Always good to see you.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: live versus dubbed

While I understand why the soundtrack to TLW would be dubbed for good reason, when I buy a 'live' recording, it is for the rawness and the flaws that I buy it in the first place. THat's what makes it immediate, honest, and special. Perfection has a place in performance and music, especially studio releases. But for me a live performance has the edge, the danger (of mistakes and flubs) and spontanaity and those special, unplanned moments, good or bad. If I wanted perfection, I could go to Cirque De Soleil. I want the moment captured.


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Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: Dunc

My mistake, I thought it was a generality. I do apologize.


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Posted by:

Steve

My god, Dunc, that sounds disgusting. What are you up to?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bill M

Can't get them...but can get 'we can have a swing together, we can have a wee wee, we can have a wet on the wall'

Band connection. When I saw Sid Griffin's interesting talk on the Basement Tapes last year, he was accompanied by the Lindisfarne guitarist... can't remember his name.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: 'Sitting on a sofa with a sister or two' is indeed a great line. Saying it out loud brought to mind the tail end of another sibilant line, this time from Lindisfarne: "... sucking sickly sausage rolls". I'm counting on someone - you, Peter V, ??? - knowing the part that I forget.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Lars:Like others, enjoyed your main post. I was actually thinking of another irregular poster who picked out'Rock, Salt and Nails' when there was a debate on Levon's best tracks post Band.

Luke M:Enjoying Sergeant Peppers. 'Sitting on a sofa with a sister or two' is a great line. Football teams - it'll never happen again. I was reading your team has Scouts on five continents. The downside with the big English clubs is how does a dad afford to take his two boys to a home match now. Everybody used to be able to afford to go. My dad was a home and awayer with Dundee United until he was 82.

S.M.:Thanks for being considerate. The 'stupid' post that grossly embarrassed me was when somebody asked Sebastian if his dad had any unreleased tapes, the implication being that financial gain could be made.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Subject: From this weeks New Yorker

ALTERNATE TAKE: LEVON HELM
by Tracy K. Smith
SEPTEMBER 21, 2009

I’ve been beating my head all day long on the same six lines,
Snapped off and whittled to nothing like the nub of a pencil
Chewed up and smoothed over, yellow paint flecking my teeth.

And this whole time a hot wind’s been swatting down my door,
Spat from his mouth and landing smack against my ear.
All day pounding the devil out of six lines and coming up dry

While he drives donuts through my mind’s back woods with that
Dirt-road voice of his, kicking up gravel like a runaway Buick.
He asks Should I come in with that back beat, and whatever those

Six lines were bothered by skitters off like water in hot grease.
Come in with your lips stretched tight and that pig-eyed grin,
Bass mallet socking it to the drum. Lay it down like you know

You know how, shoulders hiked nice and high, chin tipped back,
So the song has to climb its way out like a man from a mine.


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Posted by:

Jack

Lars. Great post. Overdubs? Who cares? Your right. It's what comes out of the box at the end that counts. There is nothing wrong with overdubbing. Sebastian should not be so defensive. I have a copy of "The Complete Last Waltz" as well. There is a big difference from that release to the end product. No problem. Maybe in the end; that's the problem with bootlegs and why artists don't want you to hear that stuff. It ain't cooked yet.


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Posted by:

Ernie Banks

Subject: Link Fails

Folks, you can check your link in the "Preview" stage of the posting process. If it doesn't work there then it won't work when it hits the Guest Book.

It is nearly 2010. Step it up.


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Posted by:

Bob Reichers

Location: Maine USA
Web: My link

Subject: Radio SPecial Saturday Night 9/19/2009

I'm inviting all fans of the Band to join me this coming Saturday night ( Sept 19 ) for three hours of The Band ! I host a radio program here in Maine called "Mystery Train" and I will be dedicating the full show to the boys. All kinds of cool stuff, lots of unreleased material, newly released Rick Danko and Rick/Richard material, Levon and the Hawks and more--- Mystery Train can be heard anywhere in the world at www.wjzf.org Saturday night Sept 19th 9:00pm-Midnight EST Hope you can join me ! Thanks


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Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: No flood of questions

Sebastian: It is not a lack of interest that has caused this paucity of questions.

Even though you stated that "no question or comment is inappropiate", there are many things one would not ask a son about his father.

One also would not want to further embarrass Dunc by asking something "stupid".


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Another question for Sebastian

(IN my previous question, I forgot to mention you by name, so sorry about that, Sebastian)... I asked what were your father's favourite and least favourite gigs (I said don't worry if they're unrecorded and not 'famous' - or at least I meant to - but I'd also like to say that they don't have to be 'Band' gigs...

But the other question, sort of related, is what are your dad's favourite covers of his songs? As I said, if these are dumb questions, or intrusive, don't worry... appreciate you coming here!


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Posted by:

luke m

I'd say a shared vocal can also be a great performance. I will stop saying this soon but *listening to the remasters* one can distinguish backing vocals more readily and one can surely identify George Harrison as the greatest backing singer of all the time we've had so far. He was a very good lead singer, too, but as most leads were John or Paul, and he sang on almost every track, he must have sung backing on more great records than anyone else (who wasn't a pure backing or session singer - any other candidates?)

Thanks for mentioning the football Dunc, it has been a poor couple of weeks. The thing I forgot to say about the Band and Beatles coming from the same area (apart from Levon obviously) was that you used to see that in football, famously the Celtic team who won the European Cup in '67 all came from in and around Glasgow. I think that's another thing we won't see in a hurry. Meanwhile I still haven't really taken the plunge with John Martyn and should do. I was reading about a signature Martin guitar released unfortunately just too late for him to play. But it is available for fans with a few grand to shell.

UK viewers may be saddened this morning by the death of Keith Floyd, the TV chef who paid as much attention to the contents of his glass as to what was in the pan. There was a documentary about him screened last night, before the news was announced, which revealed him to be in obviously poor health. Part tribute and part shock-doc, I wonder if anyone else saw it and wondered at the time whether the second half of it in particular was in poor taste. And that's not a pun.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: lower Ulster County, NY

Subject: Rock, Salt & Nails

DUNC-

I've never thought of "Rock, Salt, & Nails" as a great Levon singing track. I've always thought of it as a John Martyn- Levon Helm duet, where their voices compliment each other. I like John's verses as much as I like Levon's. The contrast between the two voices makes the song attractive to me.

I recently met a doctor who has a Scottish accent. We were at a mutual friend's house and I got talking to him about my sore ankle. I know it's in bad taste, but I'm so cheap I asked him what I should do about it. The Scottish doctor told me to limp.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Patrick Swayze

Dirty Dancing & Roadhouse.........a great job done by Patrick, and now he is gone.

Very sad to turn on my internet just now, to the news Patrick lost his fight with cancer. May he rest in peace.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: So What

Miles Davis drummer, last surviving member of the Kinda Blue band, Jimmy Cobb, has been touring the world with his So What band for the 50th anniversary of Kinda Blue.

Tomorrow they perform and spoeak on a BBC radio show. Thought you geographically BBC enabled people would want to know.

I used to see Jimmy on Sundat nights with Frank Luther and a sax player at Tinker street in Woodstock, 89 or 90 i think.

Bashful, my subject could have been Before The Flood Gates.

BTW, when I catch Ernie Banks's posts, I often think they make a lot of sense.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: ?

I'm not trying to bump heads with you, Empty, but I'm confused as to what your question is? Also, you or anyone can correct me if I'm wrong but - I'm not a rabid RR hater as some are, but neither have I ever been among the first to junp to his defense.Except this time. Though I have issues(at the same time emphasising its only my opinion)with a couple things he's been proven to have done business-wise, & despite what I percieve as what I would define as some "aloofness" regarding his former pre post Band life(I just made that one up), I've never seen or read or heard RR in any interview express any regret at having been in The Band. On the contrary, despite how some things turned out he's always, to me, seemed quite proud of what he & the rest of the OQ managed to pull off.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks Luke

Thanks, Luke. I've been enjoying the GB again. There's no doubt Sebastian adds a stimulus and I've enjoyed the related posts, and the posts about the Beatles. Enjoyed the post about the classical musicians. You're a lucky boy musically, but taking a pounding with the Arsenal.

I've just written down Magical Mystery Tour and Sergeant Peppers stereo for the wife to get in Glasgow tomorrow.

The Band is first for me. It was the Beatles once, but also very important to me are Bob Dylan, John Martyn, Paul Simon/Simon and Garfunkel, Rolling Stones (not a great press on this site), Neil Young, Leonard Cohen, Marvin Gaye, Tom Waits.

Already I really miss John Martyn. I know you're now skint, but make a place in your collection for 'No Little Boy' by John Martyn. As well as reworkings of some of John's classics it has Levon duetting with him on 'Rock, Salt and Nails', which some of us here see as one of the great Levon singing tracks. John never got as far as he should have, probably because of alcohol.

Just now I'm playing the greatest hits of the Beautiful South and 'Let's Frolic Again' by Blackie and the Rodeo Kings, a great album. (Thank you, Canadians)

Hope you and the family are well, Luke


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Posted by:

luke m

Dunc, I've been listening to the remastered mono Pepper and it is far better than the stereo CD. But I haven't yet heard the stereo remaster. I'm guessing the stereo remaster is going to be brilliant too. Let us know what you think of the stereo one! The problem with the mono is that it's all or nothing in the box set, however if you are a big Beatles fan, don't have top quality mono vinyl and know the stereo lps and '87 cds very well, you or anyone will find the mono fascinating. The mono Pepper has some of the instruments (especially what sounds like sitars, or fuzz guitar here and there) really bleeding into the mix, it sounds a lot tougher and that ultimately makes the music more satisfying. And things jump out at you, not just things that aren't in the stereo but things you didn't notice. I'd never noticed that Macca breaks into a Scottish accent during When I'm 64 - it's on the stereo, I checked back, I just never noticed it!

I think the reason for the Beatles interest is just the step change in quality between the '87 and these remasters, I came in to the Band first on a CD of brown, then on the remasters (starting with Cahoots!) and don't see that degree of difference between the two. It's not like touching up the Mona Lisa (though that might have made her smile), it's like taking off some gauze - . Which reminds me of Pete and Dud and the gauzy bits that are always floating conveniently around the old masters..

I'd personally have the Beatles and the Band before any other groups, there is something in common that the remasters have brought home and that's what it means to have singers who grew up on the same influences and in the same area and spent time on the road - you get that equivalence of accent, timbre and delivery in the voices which can make it hard to tell the difference between singers - for example Richard and Rick (ok, sometimes, and ultimately you can) and John and George (you'd be surprised how similar the voices sound on Please Please Me, perhaps because it reflects best their shared experience on the road). And just as Richard has the richest Canadian accent (to my ears) George has the most choclatey Scouse!


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Sebastian : One Question

What brought me to The Band it is, besides all what The Band bore as admirable qualities, a demystification of rock music at the moment (1968-69) the thing was the most inconceivable. That is why the unexpected reversal of Jaime Robbie Robertson post TLW, or what known as the tired of the road reason, actually a unilateral stand leave of The Band and a visible modus vivendi adopted, then diametrically set to what the other members grew to cultivate. The thing was perceived by many, to be polite, it’s not a secret) as one turning of the back, if not an "I regret having ever been in The Band" attitude. The more noticeable starting with the internet era, the close honest true consideration of their fans was sensible for decades.

I must admit that since you started animating the present forum, you reconciled quite a lot of people here with the unique spirit which always mobilized them, it’s question of the relationship of the public with the favorite artist

So I have 1 question finally: what is the loss (or the loss of income), or what is the potential damage, the risk, the gene, the nature of the hindrance, What is the Problem in a nutshell, if Jaime Robbie Robertson posts in this Guestbook here, mainly dedicated to his person “hello band fans, I’m Robbie Robertson, I’m doing well”


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Posted by:

Peter V

Lars made the most interesting comment here. The soundtrack of TLW is WAY better than the bootleg, both in the original release and the remastered full box set. That justifies whatever was done to it. The final artifact was an improvement on the source material and many Band fans got started there, with TLW.


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Posted by:

Steve

Ignatius, in the case of, Seasons In The Sun, it all got lost in the translation. In the case of overdubbing TLW I don't think anyone frets about the fact large parts are believed to be overdubbed, that hasn't been questioned since I got here 5 or 6 years ago. The movie is a pleasure to watch as you said regardless of the overdubbing.

I think people are surprised by Sebastien's comments about "the rumour" of heavy overdubbing of TLW.

The most interesting part of the post is that he asks where this rumour got started.


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Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: Ulster County, NY

Subject: The Band

Sebastian- you wrote,a few posts back,

"I'm hoping that once we get past some of this we will all or at least most of us will be able to focus more on the music and spreading the gospel of the greatest band ever."

I submitted my latest questions with the notion that perhaps you wondered what Band fans thought about, kind of like a chance to get feedback. But, speaking for myself, it isn't really necessary that you explain Robbie's reasons for writing a song a certain way. The bottom line is that The Band has been my favorite all-time band and, for a number of years, I listened to only Band music when I was in my car.

What originally drew me to The Band was the movie TLW. I saw it in the late 1980's and I started buying Band music. The sound of the group was my obsession for years. The Band kept feeding my hunger for good music. And TLW was the only way to see the boys perform. First Richard died, then Rick. A reunion became impossible.

I don't care how many "takes" were required to come up with a Band song. Nor do I care that it got mixed with more than just a little vanilla reverb. I only care about the final mix that went on the disc. I have a copy of The Complete Last Waltz and it's not very good compared to the music in the movie. But that's okay, it came out right in the end. Rick's "It Makes No Difference" and Levon's vocal on "Dixie" never sounded so good. Of course, every fan sees it his own way and there are bound to be people who see things much differently than I do. That's why this post is just one man's opinion; we have a lot of diversity in this GB, in case you haven't noticed.

As the years have gone by I now understand that the "brotherhood of the Band" had lost its magic by 1976. Living in Ulster County, I couldn't ignore what Levon, John Simon, and others said about their negative outlook regarding The Last Waltz. I was disappointed to hear about it, but I still like playing that movie...some parts more than others. Like a passionate marriage that had lost all of its love, I prefer to look at the distant past, when The Band WAS a brotherhood of musicians playing "mountain music" in the basement of a house in Woodstock. They were young and strong and the best band in the world.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: the shocking birth of Aussie film

This link's for you dlew. Written by Greg Quill, a sometime Garth collaborator with understable bi-national (Oz/Cda) expertise.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: de la foutaise

Because it's there, a brief interview w/ Zachary Richard. Discussion of "Acadian Drfitwood," sans insight.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ignacious.

Thank you for putting the Jaques Brel video. You made my husband very happy. He lived in Lausanne for three years and really liked Brel.


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland

Subject: Congrats

Congratulations Jan F! I wish I'd read the Guestbook before I met you on Sunday.


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Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US
Web: My link

Subject: Le Moribund, done right

For those of you who have never experienced M. Brel and to demonstrate the difference between a song and a performance.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Subject: Duane Allman's "heroes" ...

... according to Jerry Wexler in his autobiog, "were BB, Albert, T-Bone, Slim Harpo, Eric Clapton and Robbie Robertson."

I picked up said autobiography, "Rhythm and the Blues", on a weekend visit to Owen Sound, three hours north of here. Where "Whispering Pines" is a campground that we didn't stay in. And where the secondhand bookstore still has a $2 copy of Scholastic Books' 1970 book on Johnny Cash, with a photo of Carl Perkins on the TV show, but unfortunately no sign of Derek and the Dominoes on the same episode. And two $2 paperback copies of "Coal Miner's Daughter", one of which was the movie-tie-in version with stills of Levon and Cissy Spacek rather than the real father and daughter that appear in the other copy.

Back to the Wexler book, a couple dozen pages on: "At 3614 Jackson Highway in Muscle Shoals, embryonic guru Eddie Hinton was working out a Taj Mahal lick. The session was Ronnie Hawkins's first for Atlantic - a Wexler/Dowd co-production - and the tune was Bo Diddley's 'Who Do You Love'. Ronnie owned a couple of farms and nightclubs outside Toronto, but he was still stone Arkansas Swamp. You never heard a bitter breath or bad vibe from the guy who lost Rick, Levon, Garth and Robbie to Dylan and John Till to Janis Joplin."

Speaking of "Who Do You Love", the Hawkins/Hawk 1963 verion was played on FM radio here early yesterday afternoon, immediately before "Everyday People" on the station's "Psychedelic Sunday". Fitted perfectly, despite being at least five years ahead of the rest of the stuff.


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Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US

Subject: Integrity of an Artistic Event

I remember feeling let down when I read those articles about the extensive overdubbing that went into TLW. However, I am reminded of a principle learned as a young performer that I believe is relevant.

Each artistic event's integrity should be judged on its own, no matter how derivative. Thus, when turning a novel into a film, it may be valid to point out differences between the two, but such observations are not dispositive of either's integrity. The same can be said when a concert is turned into a film or record, I think.

The question is whether or not the event "works" in the sense of moving those who receive it. There may be nothing more subjective than judging whether or not a a work of art is effective or not - perhaps affective is the better word. However, when enough people register their appreciation, whether we ourselves personally like a work or not, we can judge it to be successful.

In the case of TLW - as a film - I can join many of you in saying it was a revelation. My brothers and I had lived in the Brown Album when it came out, along with a few others that magical year. I had not thought much about the Band in the interval from 1969 to 1978, but TLW brought it all back to me, and them some.

Somewhere in the archive is my appreciation of "It Makes No Difference" as a song. Here I will speak of the performance in TLW as heart shattering. It worked for me on all levels, and whether or not Rick's vocal and bass, Robbie's leads, Richard's and Garth's contributions may have been perfected in the studio after the event itself would "make no difference."

Like the Woodstock film that moved so many of us, we had the SENSE of being at the event itself, but in fact, we were experiencing the film in the theater, that day or night a year and more after the fact. Whatever it took to produce such a wonderful work of art strikes me as justified.

(Hey, thanks, Kevin, for the invitation to post more. I will try not to wear out my welcome.)

Finally, there was a listing of terrible songs earlier. The tune Season in the Sun was cited, and I agree with the assessment but with this caveat. Anther example of the difference between a song and a performance, this record was a wretched translation and worse performance of a tune by the great Jacques Brel, "Le Moribond."

It is a pleasure to be associated with such passionate, opinionated people from around the world.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The over/under on dubs

As I recall, at the time of the 2002 re-release of The Last Waltz, it was reported that Garth re-recorded all his keyboard parts because of a hum or buzz in his recorded track(s) throughout the concert. This sounds like a problem with the grounding in the electrical powering of the equipment.

The fact, in & of itself, that a year was spent messing with the tapes seems to indicate a heavy amount of some sort of futzing.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I can see that this debate is going to get to the silly state soon…..Look…the truth is everyone one from Miles Davis to Kiss have had to go back an touch up live recordings before they are published…The extent to which the average record buyer has been unaware of this is quite stunning.......Sebastian used the term “heavily overdubbed”…….and it is at least arguable that if none of the guests were overdubbed and the guy who sang 60%-70% of the Band’s songs at the Last Waltz was not overdubbed then TLW was not “heavily” overdubbed…………

I still remember being in a basement at a high school party when my friend Phil pulled me aside and said “Kevin, I know you think Kiss is a joke but listen to Kiss Alive” I did and had to admit it sounded pretty good………Phil – if you are out there…..the album wasn’t really live!!!!!!! Your lunch box was real though!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Apparently we posted that link twice within a ten second period!


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: The Last Waltz

The following quote [link above] is from Steve Maslow, a veteran film sound engineer who is credited on "The Last Waltz" for "sound re-recording mixer":

"One reason the film as a whole took so long is [The Band] took the tapes to their ranch and messed with them a year, overdubbing bass and keyboard and vocal parts."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Mix Magazine

There's an article on the mixing of TLW in the library (see link). Steve Masow says:

The length of the mix was the longest I'd ever been on,” Maslow continues. “It was six months, done mostly at night. I had three days off: Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's. One reason the film as a whole took so long is [The Band] took the tapes to their ranch and messed with them for a year, overdubbing bass and keyboard and vocal parts. I remember one of the problems we had to deal with was that Rick Danko had all-new bass tracks, and he overdubbed them without regard to the sync fingering onscreen. So part of what I had to do was every time he was on camera, I had to switch from the overdub bass to the production bass and make it sound seamless, which wasn't easy because it had a slightly different quality to it. As I recall, there were also quite a few piano overdubs, too, but since you never saw Richard Manuel's fingers, that wasn't a problem.”


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I have the Complete Last Waltz and it needed to be redone in many aspects. Richards singing was mostly terrible - I think when folks say critical things about Richards performance at the Last Waltz they are trying to be gracious.

I don't consider Sebastians credibility to be diminished. I'm always amazed at family stuff I come to learn years after the fact that I either didn't know or wasn't completely aware even though I probably should have been. How we tend our own gardens is our own business and we should more often stick to tending to it rather than others.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: dubbed

Not sure what Jeff was trying to say re BTF but thats another one I've heard - I think on this or one of the various other guestbooks over the years -was almost a completely redone album. &, reminded by Peter's Eagles example , I've also long heard that 2 decades before Hell Freezes Over they almost completely redid a double live album which came out right before their demise. I used to like that album before almost completely giving up on the Eagles over the last sveral years. as far as the LW, I dont claim to have great ears & I sure dont have any technical expertise, but I've heard the boots as well as heard&seen all of the official versions & the difference is obvious & also the difference obviously invilved more than cleaning up(which of course the latter they or anyone putting out a live album would do). I'm likely one of the few around here who was at the LW ( dont know if John D&Rollie - who were both backstage- check in here these days)& I dont recollect any more sound issues than normal in Winterland(where I saw quite afew shows, mostly Dead)or for that matter in most any mid 70's venue, but even if everything was played perfectly / sounded perfect to me or anyone else in the audience there's of course a lot of work in transferring that sound onto tape, vinyl, etc & making it sound the same.


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Posted by:

Ernie Banks

Subject: The Dubbed Waltz

Sebastian, your comment regarding overdubbing of The Last Waltz raises some serious credibility questions.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I'll take track 22

apart from correcting technical issues, I suspect a lot of the parts where robbie's or rick's fingers are playing a different scale is also scorsese selecting a better shot. Shine a light has this too. Dishonest? Nah. Artistic choices.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Overdubbing the overdubbing discussion

We had several discussions on this, wondering in paticular why the hum or tone from the organ couldn’t just be removed electronically. Someone said while that was easy nowadays, it wasn’t in 1976-78. I think John Simon was pushing his point somewhat, as I can’t see Dylan or Joni or Van turning up to overdub, and the aural evidence says strongly they didn’t.

It’s always hard to know where to stop. I’m working with scans of lots of old 45s in company sleeves, and once you’re in Photoshop, it’s so easy to remove tears, or coffee stains or bad creases or scribble, that you just do it. You could spend ages and make it look like a new sleeve, but that’s not the point. It wouldn’t look real. But that little tear where a price sticker was removed? You lose it. I reckon that’s a fair analogy to processing any concert tape. It’s when you paint in new stuff altogether that there’s a change.

The classic overdub is the Hell Freezes Over DVD which was used by TV stores ten years ago to sell 5.1 surround systems. They always used Hotel California, because the sound is pristine and the instruments and voices come in separately, therefore displaying the system. I was given a copy free with a system (and therefore got back into The Eagles). It also demonstrates 5.1 bass speakers which reproduce bass guitar well … cheap systems are designed for crashes and explosions in movies, and don’t handle bass guitar well.

But I’ve watched it with people with a lot of studio experience and the consensus is that it’s almost all overdubbing.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: TLW over dubs

Over dubbing may well have been necessary for technical reasons. Having listened to the 76 show on Wolfgangs vault and Forbidden Fruit on AMH the result wasn't too much different than what they were capable of live. Given the huge amount of effort that went into the filming of the event I can understand why Robbie was keen to get it right.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Before The Flood

Now this is hilarious.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Steve: give your nephew my thanks. They did an amazing job. I'm not a video game guy at all, but that one makes me understand the appeal and made me look at those very old songs with a whole new appreciation. It also made me turn off the boob tube--where both CNN and Fox News mistakenly reported a Coast Guard training exercise as an actual attack in DC this week. Give me Beatlesongs over those idiots any day.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, I thought autobiographies were accepted to be the last place you'd look for a dispassionate or objective take on what actually happened in someone's life. Who reads autobiographies with any other kind of expectation?

Charlie I'll pass along your positive comments to my nephew who worked on the Beatles Rock Band game. Can you think of a better job to land as a 24 year old who's been into rock music since he was 10 and knows many of the bands from the 60's and 70's as well as we do. He's in heaven.

I remember him as a 15 or 16 year old coming into the house when we had an early Elton J. album on and him saying, ah, must be early Elton, it's so much better than the later stuff that I'm more familiar with.


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Posted by:

Bradley H. Lawrence

I saw The Band several times in the early 1970's, alone and with Dylan. They were the first concert I ever went to see. I was only 16, and I saw them at Indiana University. The hall was fill with hippes.... a real eyeopener for me. Changed my life in many ways. They've always been one of my favorites!!


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Posted by:

Peter V

I also watched TLW with a bass player, who made the same point about Rick's fingers on the frets on screen differing from what you hear. BUT to add to that, we then watched "Live at New Orleans" by the 90s Band and the same observation was made … Rick's hands weren't playing what you hear on the speakers. That was overdubbed too.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: TLW Overdubs... Beatles Rock Band...Clapton with Hornsby on Leno

Sebastian: I'm not a musician but watched TLW when it first came out on VHS with a guy who is a musician (his resume includes a lot of big British names from Roger Daltrey to Ian Hunter) and he was the first person to say to me, "hey, that Danko bass riff doesn't match what he's playing on the screen." I don't think he indicated anything extensive, but I've heard the same stuff from many sources over the years. It's certainly not an unusual practice to overdub flubs or poorly recorded sections of live recordings for release.

After listening to both "Abbey Road" and The Beatles (white album) as well as playing the Beatles Rock Band over the last few days, I have to reluctantly admit that the real revelation--or REVOLUTION--is the video game. It does something the remasters don't accomplish in that The Beatles Rock Band makes the music and the whole mythology of the band new again. That is an amazing accomplishment.

Another amazing accomplishment I witnessed this weekend was Bruce Hornsby playing two full-length shows with two different bands in a single evening. For the Hampton, Virginia annual "Bay Days" celebration, Mr. Hornsby joined bluegrass star Ricky Skaggs and his great ensemble, Kentucky Thunder, for a full show of fine acoustic music followed by a full set of electric Hornsby with his band the Noisemakers. The evening ran from 6 to 10 PM with one break and an autograph session afterwards. Admission change: ZERO. Also free will be Mr. Hornsby's appearance on the new Jay Leno Show Thursday evening with another guy with links to The Band (and the Beatles), Eric Clapton.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Overdubbing

Levon said (in what once was called “Stephen Davies’s novel” p272) “They wanted me to spend the rest of the year overdubbing The Last Waltz and I told them to go to hell.”

John Simon is quoted (p275) “Levon is the only honest, live element in TLW with the exception of Muddy Waters vocal. Everything else was overdubbed and redone. Levon was basically gone, because he was disgusted with certain business practices, but Levon had nothing to do with it … Robbie was right in that there were some good reasons for overdubbing the whole thing. Richard wasn’t singing well, Rick’s bass was out of tune and Robbie wanted to improve his guitar solos. Also, the horns were recorded completely out of balance and had to be redone in NYC with arrangements that Henry Glover and I put together. The great thing was Levon didn’t need to do it over. He got it right first time and those were the drum tracks used in the final mix.”

Somewhere else, someone was quoted as saying that Garth’s organ was emitting a loud tone throughout and had to be redone altogether … actually, in my memory it was Robbie who said that on an interview.

I don’t give total credence to This Wheel’s On Fire by any means, but there was a complete Danish bootleg of the uncleaned tapes (probably film soundtrack) called “The Complete Last Waltz”. This bears out what Levon and John Simon were saying on the bass parts, some guitar solos and some backing vocals. I spent a long time comparing for an article on Van Morrison once, and I’d bet that Van Morrison’s voice is NOT overdubbed, nor are the other guests as far as I could tell.

I thought it was taken as read by everyone that it was overdubbed. Producer and musician friends assure me that nearly all live recordings have at least SOME cleaning and adjusting, and usually overdubbing.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Ridiculous rumors

thanks for the laugh


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: The Last Waltz

So far I've gathered all of the questions asked. I will go over everyone with my dad and get the answers back to you. I have a question for you... Where did the ridiculous rumor begin that The Last Waltz was heavily overdubbed? And do you believe this to be the truth?


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: my question for Sebastian

Were there any real efforts to get The Band to record again after TLW? I always thought that Between Trains might have been an attempt. The RAH project sounds great. I'd love to see some more live video of The Original Band though - such as the Syrian Mosque concert or Wembly 75.


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Posted by:

daena gallant

Location: florida

Subject: questions for sebastain , and or his dad..

i was curious about what your oppinion, and or advise , and also your dad's would be to someone who thinks they might want to be a singer/songwriter as far as how to find out if possible if they can sing without spending a lot of money and how to go about learning more about singing/songwriting , and how to get a job doing this in the first place? thanks sebastain for all the questions you have answered , and will most likely answer ... daena was here today..


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Sprouts??

GAWD DAMN IT! What the hell's goin' on Joe? I love sprouts, 'specially alphalpha. I have a sprouter and grow 'em all the time.

What happened boy, don't they grow in the snow and ice? aaah.....haw...haw......haw


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Posted by:

joe j

fucking mung beans


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Beatles

linked a enjoyable [long review for Stereo Box / In Mono [EMI; 2009] author: Mark Richardson

exerpt:

"Why mono? Two reasons. First, pop music in stereo was still a novelty through most of the 60s. Radio was dominated by single-channel AM, and the young people who bought LPs were far more likely to have a mono record player as a sound source. Given their audience and the technology of the time, for much of the Beatles' run, the band themselves considered the mono mix as the "real" version of the record and devoted more of their attention to it. Mono mixes were prepared first with the involvement of the band, and in some cases, George Martin and EMI engineers completed stereo remixes of the albums later, after the group had left the studio. So mono, first off, presumably hews closer to the intentions of the Beatles themselves. It's what the Beatles had in mind, their vision of the records."

...shit it's already tomorrow


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Various

Roger and Peter:The big debate in Scotland (and it was big) at the time was should Ted be capped while playing for the relatively lowly(Sorry chaps) Bournemouth. Bournemouth got a lot of publicity at the time. I'm fed up about football. In my time I've seen Hearts, Kilmarnock, Dundee, Aberdeen three times and Dundee United win the league and punctuate the old firm's monopoly. Now I don't think it will happen again. They are massive clubs in a small country and the smaller clubs now get relatively little money from transfers. As you know Rangers took 180 000 fans to Manchester on a working day. Peter:I'll get the stereo.

Joan, Steve. I've got New York's Grado headphones which I recommend. I've got B and W speakers and a Rotel amp which are a couple of years old and have made a great difference. My CD player is Rotel too, well made but it's old. I'm going to get a new CD player soon. Any suggestions?

Lars. I stuck at 90 and was feeling quite proud. I've played 5-a-sides with you ex military chaps, always hard, I think it's that basic training that keeps you strong for the rest of your lives.


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Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: sebastian

Many, many thanks to you Sebastian for your kindness and patience and thoughtfulness. All Band fans should be grateful for your contributions. I imagine your dad is proud of the man you've become.

Perhaps this question has already been asked, but is there any chance that most, if not all, of the "basement tapes" will ever be officially released? Those songs and snippets that have surfaced on bootlegs like "Tree with Roots," etc?

Thanks to all for their sharing regarding the new Beatle box sets. I'm awaiting the arrival of the mono set, and plan to pick up the individual stereo versions of Sgt. Peppers, White Album, Abbey Road...perhaps Revolver, and Let It Be. Can't afford all those at once.

Have a great weekend everybody!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Correction

I just saw my last post, and realized I had made an error. Not that it really matters (except to me) but in the name of truth, Richard and I are actually married 36 years, 1973. Time flies.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Fathers and sons - to Sebastian/Travelling Wilburys

Actually, I have enjoyed "STORYVILLE" in a car CD player this September day which is as warm as any day in July here in the Swedish countryside.

We were members of NELSON PIQUET Fan Club for many years ago. Nelson was hanging around with Gordon Murray and George Harrison. So, George Harrison happens to be _Nelson_ Wilbury, right? That's why his name is Nelson Wilbury in Travelling Wilburys. Nelson and his son Nelsinho are now fighting against Formule One "maffia"... if it is for any comfort.

GENE, you must have Christmas Eve every day with these remastered Beatles CDs. I must admit that in my ears they don't sound like they used to be. Not better, not worse, just different.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: headphones

I still use these quite a bit (and still loud!) and I've found that the ear-buds that come with i-Pods and other Apple products are the best for me. I bought a $300 Bose pair and I returned them; they were great for blocking sound out, but I thought they were pretty ho-hum in terms of fidelity and way overpriced vs their actual value.


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Posted by:

Steve

Dunc, what are you playing your CDs on with your fancy headphones?


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Posted by:

Joe Frey

Location: albany,ny

Subject: Hi rez - The Band

David P. wrote: Not to take anything away from the new Beatles reissues, but it's funny that I seem to be the only one here who is excited about the recent, much improved reissues from The Band's catalog. There are more on the horizon -- Mobile Fidelity will be releasing more hybrid-SACD versions, with ROCK OF AGES and NORTHERN LIGHTS--SOUTHERN CROSS coming soon. In addition, Capitol will be reissuing 180-g vinyl versions of STAGE FRIGHT and CAHOOTS in November.

David, I don't post often, but I am very excited about the Band Reissues. I have MFBP from MoFi and The Band gold cd. My independent record store is ordering Cahoots for me and I was thrilled to see the latest two releases by Mofi. I also have the DVD-Audios of MFBP and the Last Waltz. I just hope that Stage Fright is next. What is your impression of the hi rez version of Cahoots? joe


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Possibly a bizarre question, so feel free to ignore it

I certainly don't wish to intrude, but feel I'd like to know two things:

I know your dad ended up not liking touring, and apparently had stage fright, et cetera. Nevertheless, which is (are) his favourite gig(s) - as in, which one(s) did he have the most fun at? (Naturally, shouldn't be limited by ones that were officially (or unofficially) recorded and released.)

On a similar note, which ones did he particularly dislike (perhaps he was on a rare off-night, or had a dead crowd, or whatever).

As I said, these are maybe too personal, and not reall any of my business, so don't feel bad in not answering.



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Posted by:

Peter V

Roger: 4th Round FA Cup: Wolves 0 Bournemouth 1, 5th Round Bournemouth 3 Spurs 1. 6th Round Bournemouth 1 Manchester United 2. The News of The World had a photo of the muddy imprint of the ball that gave Man U their penalty when they were 1-0 down. The muddy imprint was square between the shoulder blades. So no foul. We called the woodwork teacher, Mr Cutler "Reg" because of Reg Cutler, but not the same guy! Dunno!


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Eeeaaasy, eeeaaasy

I didn't move to Bournemouth until 1961 so I missed Bournemouth's fantastic cup run. Reg Cutler broke the goal during the Wolves game - BoMo won. Then a win against Spurs, then defeat to Man U. Both the latter meant big gates at Dean Court. I was more interested that season in Peter MacParland's notorious antics against Man U in the final - I was a Villa fan. Ted McDougal - yes, a hero. Didn't he end up running a sports shop in Bournemouth?

Which Bournemouth skipper taught at Bournemouth School?


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Happy Anniversary, Ilkka ...

... and Best Wishes for many more !!! (has it really been 10 years ?)


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Posted by:

Peter V

I listened to Sgt Pepper twice in stereo yesterday. I would say if you have (or can get) a good condition mono LP, get the stereo CD.

One odd revelation on Rubber Soul, which I always considered near perfect until yesterday, is that you get to In My Life, and think "genius" but then of the last three tracks, Wait and Run For Your Life are a definite quality drop in songwriting and arrangement, and possibly If I Needed Someone too. They definitely put the three weakest tracks last. I hadn't thought it till yesterday, but the extra sheen and clarity enhances stuff like Girl, Michelle, Norwegian Wood, In My Life so much, that the difference is noticeable. You can only restore "shine" which was there in the first place.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc, Roger and I were both waiting anxiously for Ted McDougall to be mentioned on this GB, and it was inevitable. Next up for discussion is which Bournemouth player broke a goalpost in half with his head and played on? Name the year, the round and the opposition.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill(again)

Location: Minoa, NY(still)

Subject: Time Passages

Good for you, Jan F, & Joan&Peter & all of you others who've made it for the long haul & are sincerely & mutually happy&satisfied with it. I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum - I'll turn 58 this coming Sunday & my girlfriend & I just did a somewhat quiet version of an anniversery. She moved in here a year ago this past Labor Day weekend. Whatever works - keep doing what you're doing.....


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: question

I've refrained from asking Sebastion anything since he appeared on the scene , but have followed with interest the many questions put to him & his gracious responses. I'm going to ask afew now, since he offered. I'm currently reading Sid Griffin's "Million Dollar Bash", which of course has had me playing the 75 BT release for the first time ina long time, as well as searching out my old not great quality TDK's of the ones I acquired away back when&they aren't wearing well( I've also been listening to Dylan's close BT cousin & possibly my favorite Dylan album"John Wesley Harding"). I'd love to see them all officially see the light of day, warts&all,not only in my lifetime but better yet in Garth's. I wonder if it's even possible but also wonder if Sebastion would have any insight or could ask his father's opinion? Also - the impression in Bandland is that somewhere&somehow over the last decade or so Robbie & Dylan have fallen out? & lastly - it's been suggested countless times by Bandfans that Robbie write an autobio , & I believe its even been suggested from his camp that he- might- do so. Anymore to say than that? Thanks in advance. I give you credit for jumping into all this& I think you're handling it with style&grace......


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: YouTube Discoveries

There really IS some amazing stuff on YouTube. Who knew, for instance, that Dean Martin, Elvis and Paul Anka ALL sang their own variations on John Hartford's classic "Gentle on my Mind?" They're all on YouTube, for better or for worse.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Dave: Thanks for answering my question on the Beatles. Amazon now has both box sets listed as shipping within a few weeks. The mono one is much more expensive.

Joan: I can't believe the question you asked Sebastian is the same one I was going to post! I watched the poorly-synched YouTube video of "Don't Do It" from the Academy of Music concert (which apparently uses the official ROCK OF AGES release for the audio track) today and was thinking it would be great to have that entire show in good quality video.


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Just wanted to reflect on what today is; 9/11. May we never experience that again.And may the wars end soon.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Sebastian

Sebastian, thank you for your generous offer. I have one question. In the Musical History, I loved the video from the Rock of Ages show. Is there anymore out there? I would love to see more videos of the original Band.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Charlie Y: Because George Martin was dissatisfied with the original stereo mixes for "Help!" and "Rubber Soul," he remixed them for the stereo CD releases in the 1980s. The newly-released mono Beatles box set includes the original 1965 stereo mixes as well for those two albums, while the stereo remasters are based on the 1980s remixes.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The same tree

Ah, Dunc- don't let it ruin your weekend. We all have off days (but promise me you'll do the other ten before you go to bed).


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: For Sebastian

I am wondering about a couple of things. What is your dad's preference for guitars and why so? Is it because of the range they display in the studio? Easier to handle?

As a huge fan of your dad's work with the late Gil Evans and or his orchestra from "The Color Of Money" and "Jimmy Hollywood" will there ever be any participation by the orchestra on the marvelous "Slo Burn?"

On a side note, I really wish your dad had the chance to work with Michael Kamen. That would have been something!


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Happy Anniversary to Jan F., who must have been twelve on her wedding day.

Since the Beatles stereo box is sold out everywhere, I couldn't buy one if I wanted to, but I did try out the White Album and it sounds almost as good as the orginal vinyl version (I also own the white vinyl version). Did I understand the previous post correctly that SOME of the discs in the stereo box also include mono versions of those albums?


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Lars

Just thought you'd like to know I did 90 push ups without stopping today.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Sotland

Subject: Kevin

I think that your post to Sebastian was more articulate and better put than mine. There was a lot of great questions too, but I really cringed a few times.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Peter, Luke, Roger

Peter, Luke:Do I buy Sergeant Peppers mono or stereo?

Roger:Disappointing, but we are a small country. You'll remember Ted McDougal? I envy you your Albert Hall attendance.

For my last birthday, my good lady bought me a pair of expensive(for me! just over £100) American headphones. What a relevation. If you've not got a pair of decent headphones, I recommend that you get some.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Sebastian

Sebastian:A great offer. I'm really happy that there is going to be two new releases.

I think, along with George Harrison and everybody else on this guestbook, that the Band was the greatest band ever closely followed by the Beatles.

I felt that the last time you kindly offered to answer questions some questions were insensitive, hurtful...and stupid. I felt embarrassed.

Hope your dad is feeling a bit better after his recent bereavement. Will there ever be a Robbie Robertson and friends concert in Britain? You know, similar to a Ray Davies concert.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Sebastian………..At or around year 2040 after several more albums and a happy retirement……..could Robbie please leave me his bronzed Strat? Just kidding…..we had a good run of questions some months back that I had thought were quite complete in scope……..publishing, instruments that songs were written on, favorite songs, even middle names and height for goodness sake…..still plenty more I would guess but no matter how honest and respectful your answers are….please prepare for a lingering of the lunatic fringe that no matter what subject is discussed takes some perverse pleasure in wallowing in real or imagined fueds between old friends and band mates…….on the subway today….I was sitting beside two young guys that were arguing over just how much John Lennon hated Paul McCartney…..’You just wouldn’t believe it man” one said to the other…………..50 years from now one or both of these guys might still believe it!


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The woods

Subject: RR

Sebastian-

ANY QUESTION!!....The mind reels. I mean, I don't want to know how many push-ups your father can do, but you have given us a lot of latitude.

I guess if I could ask anything....you see, I've recorded a LOT of Band songs and they all lose a lot from my efforts, which is my fault, of course.....but I've noticed that Robbie has a thing about where a vocalist jumps into his verse. Does Robbie have a preference for starting on the upbeat, or is it my imagination? Also, the hardest song he ever wrote (at least, in my eyes) for a vocalist to cover is "When You Awake." Did he write that with Rick in mind? Levon goes pretty high in his part of the harmony in that song. I've always loved the way The Band members swap verses, was that a carry over from "The Hawks" or was that something that was discovered in the basement of Big Pink?

Thanks.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: follow up

All questions, comments etc will be logged and answered in a couple/few weeks. I want to allow for as many people to participate as possible.


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Posted by:

John

Subject: Robbie and levon

Sebastian, Do you think there is any way Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm will ever mend their relationship? How about Garth and Robbie? Any plans for them to collaborate? Was a reunion tour floated in the early 90's? Why didn't this happen?


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: opening up the flood gates...

After spending some time on here and facebook and even myspace I can see that there are a lot of opinions about Robbie out there. There is also a lot of information floating around, some true and some false. This here is my open invitation to ask ANY question you would like to have an answer to. I will do my absolute best to answer every single one. It may take some time depending on the response to this. NO QUESTION OR COMMENT is inappropriate, please do not hold back. I'm hoping that once we can get past some of this we will all or at least most of us will be able to focus more on the music and spreading the gospel of the greatest band ever... THE BAND. Feel free to alert all who may want to participate. Thank you, Sebastian


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Posted by:

Joan

Location: Port Washington

Subject: Steve

Steve, I live in Port Washington, NY. It is located on the North Shore of Long Island, about 5 miles from the NYC (Queens) line.

Long marriages, Richard and have been married 34 years.


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Posted by:

Steve

Congrats Jan. We celebrated our 30th some time near the end of May. I can never remember the exact date, 29th possibly.

Joan do you live in NY or Pa? Just curious.

I listened to a repeat of a CBC radio program yesterday from 1970. It was a program called Something To Talk About( That's vaguely the name, I don't remember it exactly). The two half hour segments they played were with Grace Slick and Mr. Morrison of The Doors.

If you could throw a bucket of cold water 39 years back in time trough the radio with effect I'd have done it to The Slickster. jeez, what a nut case. She was promoting better living through extensive acid use and suggesting everyone on the planet would have to be evacuated to space stations pretty soon because of pollution on the earth. While large portions of the earth may become uninhabitable in the future she obviously hadn't thought the orbiting space program through too closely looking for possible complications.

Jim on the other hand was incredibly lucid, calm and reflective. Easy, Peter. Easy. He offered interesting ideas on the state of the US , music and different world cultures. He was promoting political action through democratic participation. Referring to the huge numbers of people that had just come together at Woodstock and other large festivals in the late 60's, he said it would be really productive if large numbers of people from all over the planet could get together in social movements to improve the way the planet worked for more people. The internet? A man ahead of his time?

He also said at one point that he thought it was a step forward for the US that after 5 or 6 years of war in Vietnam there were no marketable heroes that had emerged. He was hopeful the US was through glorifying war.

he also said that the world was changing so much faster than it had in the past that the accepted length of a "generation" would be getting shorter and shorter as we went forward.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: 9/11 /Jan F/ The feud

Just sitting here catching up. I just finished watching the 9/11 ceremonies. It is 8 years and it still hard to bear. The weather certainly echoes the day. Chilly, rainy and very windy. So many people lost. Six from my town alone. 12 from the next town over.

They have decided to make 9/11 a Day of Service. Try to perform a random (or not so random) act of kindness today in memory.

On another subject, I have been enjoying the peace and respect here lately, but I found out where the Levon/Robbie feud has gone. They are carrying on over at Facebook on The Band page. It is a bit less "anonymous" over there, but it does get "heated".

And on a pleasant note: Happy Anniversary Jan! I hope your weather is better than here.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Back on the Beach!

Jan! Congratulations on your anniversary accomplishment. I'm proud of you. I was never able to make it for very long. An absentee husband, who is a no good son of a gun of a sailor, is not a very desirable person to keep for too long.

To all you folks in the USA, who must brave the elements in New York today and bear the pain, our condolences, "Lest we forget"


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Anniversaries

As CHARLIE YOUNG posted already for several months ago: isn't this the year of anniversaries!

Erityisesti KALERVO:lle, tietysti suomalainen on päällimmäisenä kymmenen vuoden takaisissa vieraskirjamuistoissa! Terveiset sinne Espooseen täältä ruotsalaisesta teollisuuskaupungista, jossa asuu kymmenentuhatta suomalaissyntyistä ihmistä ja josta tulee Ruotsin vahvin rockbändi - ja osa niistä kavereista vielä entisiä oppilaitani. Jumalan siunausta.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Fab Five

Not to take anything away from the new Beatles reissues, but it's funny that I seem to be the only one here who is excited about the recent, much improved reissues from The Band's catalog. There are more on the horizon -- Mobile Fidelity will be releasing more hybrid-SACD versions, with ROCK OF AGES and NORTHERN LIGHTS--SOUTHERN CROSS coming soon. In addition, Capitol will be reissuing 180-g vinyl versions of STAGE FRIGHT and CAHOOTS in November.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Subject: More Anniversary News

Today, Mr.Steve and I have been married for 36 years. No, I have no idea how we stayed together this long.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Thanks for everyone who posted in our "30th Anniversary guestbook" ... for TEN years ago!

For ten years ago we - me and my wife - had 30th Anniversary guestbook in Geocities. Geocities is gone now as well the internet innocence. I don't have this Geocities file anymore so I must go after my memory. Even if I take care of my memory with a daily bottle of Chardonnay it is possible that I have forgotten someone. Sorry.

Some of the posters are still here on regular basis: PETER V., NORBERT, BROWN EYED GIRL, LARS PEDERSEN. Some of you drop in from time to time: GENE, DEXY, DAVE Z, DIAMOND LIL. Some of you are not present here anymore like MATTK and RAGTIME. Some of you are playing 12-string guitar in heaven.

The internet has changed so there will not be any "40th Anniversary guestbook". - My wife had blogg in the internet before the word "blogg" was invented. Not anymore. I documented vintage cars and published the photos in the internet for everyone to share - for free. Someone (a Dutch :-[ photoshopped my snapshots and sold them as her original aquarelles. I wonder what will happen after the internet?


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Posted by:

luke m

Subject: that was the beatles week that was

I am getting so much out of the remasters. It's actually a kind of education in production having mono and stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul on the same discs. Some songs just sing out in stereo (eg The Night Before, where the backing vocals for a reasonably average by their standards song are sublime), others die a little. Norwegian Wood for example sounds lovely in mono.

I just listened through to Beatles for Sale, it is a game of two halves, the first side is confirmed as one of my favourite of their sides and the second side (I was so into the lp experience that I picked up my iPod to change sides after kansas City!) is admittedly a bit feeble. I was laughing at the mania in Lennon's delivery of Rock n Roll music and Mr Moonlight, the attack in his voice is astonishing. I was actually thinking the first side is a bit like Stage Fright - maybe not the nailed-on classic compared to the greatest albums, but one that gets you very close to the essence of the band and its members.

What comes across (as with the Band) is the extraordinary musicality of all the players. Has there ever been a more under-stated guitarist than Harrison?

Train spotter moments: backwards guitar coming in early in the mono I'm Only Sleeping, and a very clear cough in the mono Norwegian Wood after 'she told me to sit anywhere!'


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Posted by:

Steve

We were too, Joan. He was an indoor/outdoor cat. He spent most of his time in the barn but came in everyday to eat, sleep on somebody's bed and follow us around talking up a storm. I always thought he was bitching about how nasty the raccoons he had to share the barn with were. For her 12th birthday we let Katie go over to our neighbor's and pick out a wild barn kitten. She'd been asking for one ever since she'd first seen them the day they were born. He was completely wild, biting and scratching Katie every time she picked him up but that never discourages her.

She once cornered and caught a wild kitten in one of our sheds. It bit her and escaped. The next day I found the kitten, dead. We had it tested for rabies which luckily came back negative.


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Posted by:

Roger

Subject: A good week...

The weather's set fair here in the UK midlands and I'll get tennis and golf in the sunshine at the weekend. The English cricket team has just taken the Ashes back from Oz (tough Dlew - they're ours for 15 months and one day matches don't count) and for once England's assured, way in front, of a team in the soccer World Cup in South Africa next year - sorry Dunc; I cheered hard for Scotland. Oh and my team - Bournemouth - is second in the table and I've just started the fourth series of The Wire.

Then this week The Beatles stuff is all over the media. I watched the Ed Sullivan performances last night and was struck by how good The Beatles were live. When I saw them perform at the Winter Gardens in Bournemouth in 1964 I could hardly hear them because of the noise of girls screaming (though I never switched to the Stones. Loved the Stones but knew the moptops for what they were. The first Beatles album I bought was Beatles for Sale.)

That 1964 Beatles concert is equal first in my 'best gigs list' - with The Band, RAH '71 as co-equal. And we hear this week that a pressing of RAH '71 is to be released. Thank you Sebastian - keep visiting please.

And now today - in What's New the best - the announcement in the GB that Levon's health is fine and his voice is just resting... I can't remember who cautioned about discussing this earlier this year but it's good to note that the news is now public and official. What a great week.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Steve

Steve, I'm sorry about Cosmo.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Obscure Cover

From a christian & gospel album from 95, "Cool Water" by the Dorff Family, there is a nice cover of "All La Glory." ITunes lists no info about the group and I can't find any anywhere else.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Levon Helm: Live At The Ryman Auditorium

I don't know how widespread this is being aired but here (Portland, OR) it's on PBS tonight and it's scheduled for 90 minutes. Has anyonr seen this all the way through yet?


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Posted by:

Steve

Thanks Dunc. Bill I have to admit the thought didn't cross my mind but since it'll be a couple of days before I'm ready to start mixing cement I can't see keeping old Cosmo/Fluffy lying around that long. By the way Cosmo like his name sake was a he.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Various

Luke M, Kevin, Peter:Enjoying the Beatles' posts. I'm going to get Sergeant Peppers in Stereo to replace a worn CD. There are two albums which have always been with me - the Brown Album and Sergeant Peppers(still like but not my fav Beatles).

Roger:I wish I had been there, but being honest it would be 1972 or 1973 that I first heard the Brown album, although I loved Rag Mama Rag. I think in terms of British sales of Band music, it was a pity that The Weight just missed the top 20.

Steve:Glad everything is OK.

Sebastian:I am really delighted.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Beatling about

Picture sleeves? The world of the true Beatles collector is arcane, but if you look at the British “Rare Record Guide 2010” (the bible for this sort of thing), only Strawberry Fields Forever was released in the UK in a picture sleeve. I bought it new, and as a mere 250,000 were pressed in this edition, it’s worth £40 in mint condition.

For the rest: What counts for the money is having the correct Miners eye make-up advert on the reverse of the Parlophone sleeve for the first issue of each disc. I'm not joking. As all mine were "day of release" they've all got the right one.


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Posted by:

joe j

According to Jan's 'What's New' page Levon has been diagnosed cancer free but put on 'vocal rest' to let the old chords heal. I admit to being a tad concerned re reports that he hadn't been singing at his shows this summer.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jeez Steve, the cat could've been buried in concrete with its own barn pole as a marker judging from the chore you described hier. And all she got after eight years was an unmarked hole.


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Posted by:

Steve

Jan, my mother would have chucked out the cards without a second thought but would have kept the Hank 78's in a place of honour.

Bill I never played games with my Beatle or Civil War cards. I'd trade but wouldn't wager.

Peter actually Rob, who is one of the world's low key, even keel kinda guys didn't mention his escape from the building when he called to have us come pick him up. He just said he couldn't get to his car because it was in the parking lot behind a building where there'd been a fire and the cops had closed the street.

Thanks, Joan, from you it goes without saying. That sentence could be said more clearly but I think you understand.

Kevin, he might wear a scarf, he's one of those rare teenagers that will wear anything, he's not a dedicated follower of fashion. #9 wasn't so lucky for our cat, he was a big healthy, never sick a day in his life cat and I found him dead on the grass next to the barn yesterday afternoon. He was 8 years old and in what seemed to be prime shape. Must of had a heart attack. I buried him this morning in our pet grave yard that now has 4 cats, 3 dogs and a deer, maybe even a rabbit or two, I know Katie had a bunch of rabbits and I'm sure some died I just don't remember burying them. Only the cats and dogs and the deer get little wooden markers.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

I just checked Ebay's "completed listings" for Beatles trading cards and even the 1964 ones aren't getting that much money (or interest, since many are going unsold). I'm surprised some other Beatles items are so cheap, too--like most of the picture sleeves from 45s. Ebay has made this stuff so easily acquired that the prices are comparable to what these items sold for in the 1970s. That's surprising to me!


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Posted by:

Jan F.

I had 400+ Beatle bubble gum cards. My Mom threw them away. She also threw away my Dad's collection of vinyl 78s - mostly Hank Williams, other country greats. If she were alive today she would still contend they were both worthless.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: You had money to buy Beatle cards? Luxury! I had to acquire mine the hard way - games of flips, slaps and closies against the schoolmates. Fortunately I was the best around, and still have many of the cards to show for it. Gave the Beatles away 30 years ago though, along with the three cards I had in what I now see as a fabulous series of vocalist cards. I had the Lavern Baker card, the Chris Connor card and one other. (Connor just died, I believe.)


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Posted by:

Peter V

The sad thing is that a mint collection of those Beatles bubblegum cards would be worth a lot more than records bought at the time.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I believe that grown up kids should start all long-distance conversations with "Everything's OK," … the trouble is when it's followed by "But …"



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Steve: Add your son to a long list of people that have found good fortune with the number 9………Also remind him that had he had a scarf handy, his escape may have been easier…….colour optional of course!


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Posted by:

Steve

Yes Jan, I remember one of the stories quite well that you're probably referring to with the " don't worry everything is OK". Peter, Rob told me that the scariest part was feeling the plastic railing on the balcony bending as he leaned out backwards away from the balcony on the 4th floor. He didn't notice how flimsy the material was when he climbed over the rail.

Peter while you were moving away from the Beatles with the North American invasion, I was a 9 year old without any cash and therefore without any Beatle records but was collecting and trading Beatle cards which were in my price range plus they came with that great crappy bubble gum.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Steve/ Bacon fat to judgement day

Steve, I'm so glad your Robbie is OK.

A while back, I e-mailed Other Peoples Music. It took a while to get back to me, but they basically said it is still in the works. I think I posted the reply when I got it. Also, Garth has said it is still in the works. So I guess we just wait and hope.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Subject: Boys . . . . Don't ya know I mean boys

"Ritualistic teenage dance music" is how Steve refers to the Beatles during this period. Peter, I moved on to the Stones also during this time -- and actually never went back. Maybe now is the time!

Steve (in Canada) - wow, glad everything is OK. Having raised two boys (now age 30 & 33) I can say that the words "don't worry Mom, everybody is OK" kind of makes your knees weak - and I've heard it several times . . . .

J.F.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Glad everything turned out OK, Steve. That sounds terrible, and the sort of thing better heard about after than during!

It’s going to take a couple of weeks with the Remasters at least, but there are surprises. Maxwell’s Silver Hammer (which I always disliked) was hitting me with how good the guitar and drums were, not the point of the song, but it comes out so well now.

I’ve posted this before, but from the perspective of a British 15 year old who bought the Please Please Me LP on release, the Beatles had cool and uncool phases with my peer group. By Beatles For Sale / Help! probably even A Hard Day’s Night, the early fans were already regarding them as teenybopper boy band stuff because of the screaming girls. For us the first two were perfect five star albums, then the whole screaming / USA take off thing happened as we were listening to The Stones & The Animals rather than The Beatles. At parties the boys clamoured to put on The Rolling Stones and the girls The Beatles. Then came Rubber Soul, which was so obviously a work of total genius that we all got back on board. But for me (and two contemporaries I spoke to today) the third to fifth albums were always a step down. In fact they were laden with gems, but not at the time. It’s all rediscovery.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Robbie Hanging Out In Lennoxville

I read, The Executioner's Song. Not recommended.

Bill, good of you to point in the direction of the real culprit.

Robbie in a hot spot; No not that Robbie, my 19 year old son, Robbie. He was at his girlfriend's apartment in Lennoxville last evening when a fire broke out on the third floor. He was on the top floor, the fourth floor.

Luckily everyone in the building are 18 to 24 year old students in pretty good shape.

There is no fire escape in the building so they got out by going out on the balcony and hanging as far as they could and then dropping to the balcony below doing this three times finally arriving safely on the ground.

Rob told me when he realized they couldn't get out by the stairs he remembered watching a drunken friend of his a week earlier dangling from a balcony on the third floor and then dropping to the balcony below. So he and his girlfriend took that route as did students in other apartments once they saw them make it down.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Don't forget Deb, who made us do it.


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Posted by:

luke m

Subject: warm

Listening to White Album in remastered mono via iTunes and flicking between that and my old stereo CD second for sceond. Even on my very ordinary PC speakers it sounds significantly more live, immediate and real. And warmer, I guess more like the vinyl I first encountered it on. So very happy, so far. The packaging in the mono box is astonishingly detailed, almsot obsessive - perfect replicas, eg Beatles for Sale gatefold with the awkward insert, down to replica inside sleeves. My wife did think I was nuts but was converted just by looking at it.

An example in sound: Lennon's voice on Happiness is a warm Gun just disappears back into the mix on old stereo CD at 'she's well acquainted', in new mono it comes closer, to the point where the music is stunning in its beauty.


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Posted by:

Roger

Subject: RAH '71

I was at RAH '71 - I went on the second night. I can't remember the setlist at all but there there were only three released albums at that stage so there were no stinging snakes. The sound was exceptional - back then live gigs were pretty variable and the RAH has a notorious echo effect. Musically it was a fantastic concert but the emotional rush of seeing the creators of the Pink and the Brown albums live was more than worth the entrance fee.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bacon Fat to Judgment Day

This is from Other Peoples Music in Canada, who released Garth, Richard and Rick solo albums. This has been talked about for a long time, 2006 it says, but people had mentioned this to me ten years ago. They're also credited on a Musical History. This is from their website:

As Canada's leading music archivists, we were called upon by Capitol Records/EMI Music to contribute these vintage recordings derived from our forthcoming 8-CD Levon and the Hawks Box Set entitled FROM BACON FAT TO JUDGEMENT DAY. This set documents the Hawks' evolution from the pre-Hawkins bands of the late 50's to the Basement Tape recordings of Big Pink. AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. We're still under contruction, so thanks to everyone for their patience.

Until we're ready for this release, we decided we'd open up the vaults and let a few other gems out for your listening pleasure. If you enjoyed Levon and the Hawks and The Basement Tapes recordings that OPM supplied for The Band Box Set: A Musical History, you will also enjoy these other fine recordings from the archives.

Let us know if you find out more. We haven't been able to!


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Posted by:

Adam

Sebastian - sorry for the confusion. my comment was referring to Garth's project "From Bacon Fat to Judgement Day", a box set of Hawks material. It was due to be released in 2006, but has been delayed still. I just meant that I didn't want to see such a promising release, like the Albert Hall show, be cancelled or delayed.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: Bacon Fat

I just googled and found that this is also Garth's project. I'm really uninformed about this. Maybe you could tell me more about it?


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: From Bacon Fat to Judgement Day

This box set has nothing to do with anyone I'm related to (besides the guitar playing) so I couldn't really speak on it. As far as compiling, mixing and releasing this would be coming from Levon's camp I believe. Never even heard of it before today.

On the other hand the Musical History and the re-release of The Last Waltz, and all of the remasters did come from my dad so unless there is a major disaster it will be released and will be beautiful.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

there wasn't any previous foul ups but you never know... hopefully it will be ready for the end of the year. i'll let you know as i get more info.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Sebastian, was there another live Band project that wasn't released because of a foulup?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: The Band, June 1971

I graduated from high school in June 1971 and our valedictorian sang that Dylan song about changing times as thunder rumbled in the distance at our football field ceremony at Stonewall Jackson High School. A few days later, three of my fellow graduates and I sat in the third row at Meriweather Post Pavilion in Columbia, Maryland as The Band strode onstage seemingly without pause as they ferociously lit into "W.S. Walcott." It remains the most amazing concert I've seen in many ways. People were RUSHING THE STAGE by the end of the evening. Truly a remarkable, timeless performance.

I've tried to get a copy of that show for years, but Sebastian's word of the Royal Albert Hall recording from that same month is the next best thing. Bring it on!


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Posted by:

Adam

Sebastian, do you think we will see the release by the end of the year at least? Great news, but I'm afraid this might be "From Bacon Fat to Judgement Day" box set territory...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Strange Connections

Kevin J: Mikal Gilmore's brother was the infamous convicted killer Gary Gilmore, executed by firing squad in Utah in 1977. Levon's friend, actor Tommy Lee Jones won an Emmy award for his portrayal of Gilmore in the t.v. movie "The Executioner's Song", adapted from Norman Mailer's book.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Weight 1971

I'd never noticed the absence, but I started looking. They didn't do it four days later in Rotterdam either, assuming that the 90 minutes on cassette is a complete show. New York four weeks later is a lot shorter (so might not be complete), but they did it. But we have no way of knowing if the circulating poor sound quality cassettes were complete shows anyway. After all, those things ten years ago were on C90s so might have been clipped to fit.

We'll find out. Hopefully sooner rather than later.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

So they didn't do "The Weight" at RAH? Interesting...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Royal Albert Hall 1971

Of the GB regulars, I think only Roger was there on the night? Is that right? I found the Geoffrey Cannon brief mention in The Guardian two weeks later. Before the encore, he reports, someone shouted "Rock & Roll" and Robbie said, "Last time you were here, you booed us off the stage." Then Geoffrey Cannon goes on to review the original "In 1966 There Was …" bootleg (which had just been released to coincide with their 1971 appearance).

One great thing about the show is the songs that didn't make other live albums so often: Strawberry Wine, Time To Kill, Look Out Cleveland, We Can Talk, Lovin' You (Is Sweeter Than Ever) and Slippin' and Slidin'.

An excellent choice because it captures the era right after the first three albums, during a long tour. I deeply regret I couldn't make it on the night as I was working 100 miles away.


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Posted by:

luke m

Subject: rah

Royal Albert Hall - wow. That is my ultimate gig to have seen in a previous life, so hearing it in this one would do nicely.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

Subject: release date

no info yet... i'll keep you posted.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Sebastian, thank you for the info. Will the release include the entire performance?

For those interested, the songlist from the show.


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Posted by:

Adam

Can you PLEASE give us an idea of the release date? Thanks so much for sharing with us.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

-ROYAL ALBERT HALL-

Let's hope nothing fouls up this release... should be great.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Deb: You are most welcome…………and if you are enjoying the Beatles discussion here, I would again point out the current edition of Rolling Stone magazine has a very good piece by a writer from RS’s golden era ( Mikal Gilmore ) on the break-up of the Beatles. An edition well worth the money which is not something that could be said about Rolling Stone much in the last 20 years…..

Imagine a discussion between Robbie and some young AR guy……………Robbie: I have this song which is a tribute to some of the greatest guitarists…the guys who influenced me……AR Guy: Wow…Cool…….Robbie: Yeah….great players…..Roy Buchanan…..Curtis Mayfield……Pop Staples…….AR Guy: Ah….ah……Can we find a way to get Clapton and Hendrix into this mix????????

Steve/Bill M: All this Babe/Blue stuff may force management of this GB to implement a 2 drink limit at the Moonshine tub……….


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Posted by:

Bill M

Deb: You shouldn't, and neither should I. I don't remember if there was a middle, but the end was "If you want to know if the frog is the farmer's friend, go ask the frog, and he'll say "ribbit". Gibson's "Laugh In" role was, I believe a very successful reprise of a guest spot he did on the original Dick Van Dyke show, though I think it was clearer on DvD that he was spoofing the serious existentialist tone of Henrik Ibsen. Obviously his name was part of the spoof - although it took me 20 years to figure it out.


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Posted by:

Deb

Bill, I shouldn't admit it, but I do. At least I remember the first two lines:

Is the frog the farmer's friend?

I don't know.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: mooo

Deb: Thanks for the correction - Babe rather than Blue. I guess we all know the answer to Hurricane Smith's musical question, "Oh Babe, what would you say". Does anybody else remember Henry Gibson reciting his 'poem', "Is the frog the farmer's friend?" on "Laugh In"?


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Posted by:

Steve

Right Deb. Babe, and Bob wrote a song about him. See ya later.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, I'd really like to see the video but can't tie up the phone line for an hour but the closest thing I've seen to a guitar being used like an axe are the guitar smashing antics of some of the more theatrical "gunslingers"( another macho ism that should hit the dust bin).

Bill, your list of chores was a little wide of the mark but makes my work sound a little more colorful than it is most days.

Right now I'm trying to save a 60 foot by 30 foot open end pole barn from falling down.

I'm removing the cedars posts that hold it up while I build a form to pour a footing under the new poles. The original poles that are all rotted off at ground level are 14 feet high and the size of telephone poles. They were put 3 feet into the ground and then cement was poured into the holes to keep them from tipping back in the 30's. I'm digging out the cement blocks by hand which are directly under the wall. Not as colorful as branding but actually more exciting since the wall is propped up by temporary support poles and I can move it a couple of inches each way just by leaning on it.


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Posted by:

Deb

Bill: As in "take a load off Steve?"

BTW, the ox was blue, but I think his name was Babe. And yes, it bothers me that I know this.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I think you're right about Blue. I wonder if that's who the Beatles' "For You, Blue" is aimed at? Why not, if Michael Jackson could get away with a love song to vermin. (Let's agree not to reopen the "Muskrat Love" thread of some months ago.) Be that as it may, Blue sure got around: he also turned up in "Tie Me Kangaroo Down", where he's basically accused of putting the roo in the stew.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Deb: Are you suggesting that he do another load?


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

I earlier nixed chances- in my opinion - of the Palladium show for business reasons & suggested(hoped) for WG over Woodstock but realize that they(the proverbial they , whoever "they" are) likely wouldnt ever release it now because they'd have to admit that the first one was bogus. I'm with Tull - whatever it is just make it real......& Peter, every now&then you say something which is totally in synch with me, & side 2 of Abbey Rd is the very 1st thing I'd listen to once I cracked that baby open. Then the White album. There's other examples which I cant think of but one which comes to mind is some years back we both on the same day purchased The Byrd's "Untitled" re-release & the then new Steely Dan album, but I cant recollect the title. We'll always disagree on Planet Waves, though.


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Posted by:

Deb

Maybe Steve's just channeling his inner Robert Johnson and he's gonna dust his broom.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I think it's Blue. I remember in one of the stories, after an exceptionally hard day's night of axing Paul saying," I've been working like a dog, get me a Labatt, Blue." I'm pretty sure he was talking to the ox but I'll check just to be sure.


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Posted by:

Deb

Thanks for posting both of those links, Kevin. I'm enjoying all the Beatles reports, too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Re the broom thing, we have to remember that, almost by definition given his chore-doing habits, we get the softer side of Steve, the side that checks the computer when he's in the house to do another load of laundry. We don't get to see the macho side that's outside chopping trees, branding steers and trying to get the Gravelly running again. So we have to be prepared to cut him some slack. Imagine Jimi in similar domestic circumstances: "Gonna kneel right next to the dust ball, sweep it up with the back of my hand".


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Posted by:

luke m

Subject: I saw it standing there

Well yesterday I got cold feet on Amazon as I could only pre-order the mono box set that was already sold out. Passing HMV today I thought I'd go in and buy Fresh as I'm getting back into Sly & Family (and the 2007 reissues sound great). Then I kind of drifted over to the Beatles section, thought I'd have a look at the stereo remasters which are incidentally retailing cheaper than the old CDs did for years. And there it was - the 'sold out' mono box set. There's one less in the stores tonight. I am as excited as I was when I got Rubber Soul as a 12 year-old. I will report back...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Since you axed the question...

Back in the Charlie Parker era, jazzers used to call their saxophones "axes" also. Live battles in jazz to see who was the best player were called "cutting contests". Both terms seemed to be related and were later adapted as rock guitar terms.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Roy Buchanan

Here is the great Roy Buchanan in action....it sure isn't a broom that comes to mind!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I keep forgetting to ask you the name of Paul Bunyan's big blue ox(e.


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Posted by:

Bill M

While it'd be great if Robbie's upcoming "Axemen Cometh" covered just the early Hawkins guitarists and contemporaries / hangers-on / scene-sharers (Jimmy Ray Paulman, Fred Carter, Roy Buchanan, Billy Dancer, Bob McEachern, Red Shea, Al Bruno et no doubt al), it'd more likely cover just Buchanan from that list, plus Curtis Mayfield as Peter V suggested, Hubert Sumlin as everyone suggests, James Burton, Pop Staples and a small handful of renowned others. I'll plump for the overlooked Mickey Baker, who is bound to have been a big influence on Robbie, and Willie Johnson, Sumlin's rawer predecessor / colleague in Howlin' Wolf's band of the '50s. And Lonnie Johnson, who moved to Toronto in '65 so could've been on Robbie's club-hopping itinerary on trips home.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Beatles Wednesday

I spent the morning listening to the old CDs of Please, Please Me and Magical Mystery tour in preparation. So often remasters sound good because you haven't sat down and really listened to the originals as intently for a while.

I then listened to I Saw Her Standing There and Baby You're A Rich Man in the old versions really loud and then put on the new ones (I literally had about 30 minutes before going out). Then I fiddled around rather than listened. The improvement on Magical Mystery Tour tracks is as good as they said. On I Saw Her Standing There, the instruments sound superb as do the voices, but the stereo mix IS dumb. Not as dumb as the reviews suggested, but still dumb. I wished my amp had a mono switch. I'll start on albums when I get back. Side Two of Abbey Road for starters.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Sebastian/ Kevin J

Sebastian, thanks for that info. I'm looking forward to both.

Kevin, thanks for that clip. I too would like to see more. I would also like to see more videos. They may not be the best quality, but they must exist.


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Posted by:

Steve

Men with brooms? The first air guitar rockumentary?


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Posted by:

Steve

Does anyone else see the use of the axe for guitar as kinda silly? Is it used because someone is showing his chops? If so why isn't it used for piano players or is it? I think broom or mop man is much better suited . First it gets rid of that macho foolishness, it's so outdated.

The broom or mop man could be said to wipe the floor with the competition. Then of course what is the instrument of choice used to replicate all those incredible guitar solos? The air guitar, n'est pas? The guitar substitute? The handy dandy mop or broom. The Fender Sweepacaster is my air guitar of choice.


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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: City of Brotherly Love
Web: My link

Subject: Complete Dylan/Band show streaming at Wolfgan's Vault

The complete Bob Dylan and the Band early show recorded on Valentine's Day, 1974 is streaming at Wolfgang's Vault. Some of this show of course is on "Before The Flood," but there's a lot more and Garth of course stands out.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie Robertson

"Roy Buchanan's attitude was like a gunslinger coming to town: The Axman Cometh." –Robbie Robertson


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Posted by:

Peter V

I’m looking forward to the list of axe men too (assuming that it’s not a backwoods story about lumberjacks). Roy Buchanan, I’m sure, though I assume Robbie saw a better aspect live than was captured on record. Who else? Les Paul? Eric Clapton did Robert Johnson, so probably not. Axe men suggest the Hendrix take-no-prisoners guys. I would have guessed Robbie’s choices being more subtle. I’ll vote for Curtis Mayfield being there and let the rest be surprises.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I for one am very interested in Robbie's new songs, and look forward to hearing them, but will refrain from passing judgment until I have.


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Posted by:

Steve

Are Deb and I the only ones interested in the new Robbie songs? Victor Licata ?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Got interrupted by the irritation of work. But while making a cup of tea I scanned John Niven (Music From Big Pink novella) on the box set. He imagines Leonardo's estate rushing in to the Louvre to touch-up the Mona Lisa's smile because they've discovered a new acrylic paint (with better fleshtones?).


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Posted by:

luke m

Subject: hard day's rah

Dunc, A Hard Day's Night is a fantastic album, one long blast of balls with heart - probably their most tonally consistent album? I think Beatles for Sale is often under-rated, I guess it's two steps forward and one step back in a way, the originals are so good they make up for some slightly duff covers, but I love any Lennon vocals of that era eg Slow Down which is often dismissed. Anyone who dismisses that, try singing like that! That is excting news re new releases, my vote for the live would be RAH '71 as the audio from that on AMH is so strong.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Thanks for that most excellent clip. I like the way Richard get the sound when he sings 'crazy' (as in 'crazy fool') at 4:20 and then again 6:30 - a seemingly effortless transition to falsetto while turning away from the mike during the word.


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Posted by:

luke m

Subject: day trepidator

Peter, we await with equal trepidation.



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: The Band Live

My guess: See link above and hope that the full show has surfaced!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Live Band

As good as The Band were on stage, it seems all of their official live releases either has heavy post production overdubs (The Last Waltz), wasn't really the live show but the rehearsal (Rock of Ages)or even worse, was an outright counterfeit (Watkins Glen). Therefore, all I am really hoping for is an official release of a real start to finish live set with minimal editing or post production.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Still trying to work out how to get the Beatles box open. It arrived half an hour ago. Ah, done it! Wish they'd gone for perfect replica sleeves instead of just replica fronts.BUT the booklets are very nice, much longer. And the CDs seem nice … original Parlophone label on Please, Please Me, but Capitol on Magical Mystery Tour (because it wasn't a British release until years later).With trepidation, I'll play them now …


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Let it Be

Dunc: I believe so…..the article adds that those comments from John really affected George Martin in that he felt very strongly that he had never gotten in the way of the songs. For what it is worth, I agree with Martin on this one……For Wllco fans; this same edition of Rolling Stone also has a good interview with Jeff Tweedy and a mention of how much Dylan has missed RR type of guitar playing in a review of a live Dylan show from August in which Charlie Sexton rejoined his band for the night


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I'd say that "Let it Be" is the most Bandish Beatles album, and "Get Back" the most Bandish single. Though the white album has the occasional Bandish snatch (as Joe J or Lewis C would say), and "Abbey Road" takes two songs - "Carry That Weight" and "In The End" to work through the philosophical ramifications of "The Weight". (You didn't think that "She's So Heavy" was intended literally did you?)


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Paladium

Checked in here for the first time in weeks & I see that we'll be getting a live OQ Band release. I'd vote for the Paladium 76, but looking at it business-like I'd predict that the powers that be would consider it too close in time to the LW - what was it, September? - which of course has been re-released & re-publicized to death. I'd much prefer an authentic WG over Woodstock. Guess we'll just have to see what happens. I'd meant to come here to report after seeing Levon some weeks back, at the Gathering of the Vibes in Bridgeport CT. They did a fine set,especially the women who sang passionately - they've come a long way since I last saw the line-up. I was naturally disappointed that Levon wasnt singing especially after building up everyone I was hanging with that weekend. I'm worried that he may have overdone things, vocally, over the last couple years& may not be singing again & I consider myself fortunate that I did catch him in fine singing form a couple times back when he first started singing again. I got there Thurs AM & other than leaving afew hours before the CSN set which concluded the show on Sunday I did the entire festival. It's been a long time since I've been immersed in that type of deadhead debauchery , battling the elements, etc. but we had a real good time. Saw Bob Weir with his good band & a much improved voice over the last couple times I saw him afew years back. At my girlfriend's insistance I got my George Clinton cherry popped from about 50 feet from the stage, with no regrets - big fun! & more new tricks for an old dog - at about 3AM Sunday I discovered a band who I now love, some youngish guys called Perpetual Groove(P-Groove to their very energetic rabid fans). I had sch a good time I'll likely do it again next year. You're as young as you feel, you know?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Joan: Excuse me…….I guess shock had set in before getting by Nickel……..Oh well……Cher doing a twirl at TLW shall remain alone as one of those things in the GB that can never be explained……………..If Robbie is paying tribute to guitarists that influenced him....I do hope that he dusts off the old tele for a nod to the one player that he has always seemed to be most respectful of: Roy Buchanan


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Posted by:

dlew919

I'm going to go with Woodstock, 69... (but I don't mind which one it is... and it might even be one that we haven't guessed yet. I still don't mind.) Sydney 1974?


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Posted by:

Deb

Great to hear that, Sebastian. I'm looking forward to both releases, especially your dad's new work.


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Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: Steve

Psychology books?

Books?

I thought you were intravenously connected to Google!


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: The Ballad Of Blue

Sebastien, I'm guessing Paul Bunyan, Lizzie Borden and Rush Limbaugh though I'm not sure if a hatchet man should really be considered for the big time treatment.

Tracy, I've been searching the psychology books I have but haven't come up with a definition of " Levon Mentality" yet. Can you suggest a comparable or related syndrome where there might be a reference to "Levon Mentality". Inquiring minds, you know.


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Posted by:

Adam

SEBASTIAN - dear god, are you kidding? please let us know what live release is planned. i nearly cried with joy when i read that.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Excellent news to start the day here in the UK, Sebastian! My guess is Woodstock 69, but Pat's right about the other two being worthy of release. They were around a fair bit on cassettes that got passed around without money changing hands, so not exactly bootlegs. The New York 1976 might be like the Last Waltz set in compositions, but it's got a different feel. The 1971 Royal Albert Hall would be fantastic if there's a good tape (the tapes that circulated were muddy sound).

But really you should persuade your dad to follow the example of Robert Fripp of King Crimson. A few years ago he started a King Crimson club, and you could subscribe and get an archive live CD every so often. These came with artwork but no jewel case (you had to buy your own jewel case). Then I think they came out on a conventional limited release. I can't see it's profitable at all, but I'd just like to hear more stuff!

How about a DVD of that Italian TV broadcast of Agrigento 1995?


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

"The Band: Live at Watkins Glen. No, really. This time we mean it."


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Posted by:

Pat B

Sebastian, Woodstock 69, Royal Albert Hall 71, or the Palladium 76?

Wolfgang's Vault just posted Dylan and The Band, LA 74, Set 1. Tom Thumb's Blues and Hollis Brown along with the full Band set.

I ordered the stereo Beatles.


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Posted by:

Sebastian

I heard 5 rough tracks from my dad's new album a few weeks ago. I won't reveal too much but I can say this. It is the best lyric writing, guitar playing and melodies since NLSC. I'll leave you with the theme for one song and that's it. A lyrical journey, telling tales of greatest AX MEN ever to live. Or at least the ones that most inspired Rob. His playing is wicked on this track and there is a playful nature that is absolutely inspiring.

Oh and one more thing, look for a release of a new live band album... if you guess the venue i'll let you know if you're right. All members will receive royalties...


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Posted by:

daena gallant

Location: florida

Subject: to the people talking about musicians making their best music , and at what age they did this.

i think it is not a fact that all or most musianians have made their best music at any age spisificly it's up to their listeners to what of their music is best , and at what point in their carrers this happend , and i know your probably talking about sitistics , but i think sometimes sitistics are less true to the facts ..forenstence if you look at sitistics used in schools to test the students they don't always show the students real amount of Knollage espesially if they don't test well ..i think bob dylan is still making great music now , sometimes better music now than he did when he was younger , but that's just my oppinoin ..i think their are multiple ways of juding the greatness of music on a cd which is as a whole cd , and as seprete songs put together to make the whole cd , cause sometimes the sepreate parts are better than the whole , and sometimes the whole is better than the sepreate parts , and sometimes it's a mixer of the two...i think the band as a whole were great , but they were , and are great as their sepreate parts , and members as well ...i think sometimes people don't look at artist , and band's , and cd's as their part , and their whole as to their talent , and that sota thing , and i think they should they'd get a better whole picture if they did , but agin this is just my oppenion, well that's all i gotta say for now , so bye to all , and i hope everyone has a great rest the day.. daena was here today..


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Are you guys finally getting along? It's about doggone time.You used to fight like boxers, what happened? Not complaining, just observing.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Kevin et al

That's interesting. As I posted before, I really like 'Let It Be', my favourite Beatles album, which is I think the album without the George Martin production, which I only found out watching Beatles' Saturday night last Saturday. Is 'Let It Be' the Band influenced album?

I like all the Beatles' albums. I think 'A Hard Day's Night' is great. Perhaps it will become my favourite album. Is it a great album? Are they great songs? Are the 'middle period' albums overlooked?


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Kevin J

First, Thank you for the complement.I can set your mind at ease and erase that nasty vision. I was referring to a group called "Nickel Creek" , not Nickelback. They are/were are group of very talented youngsters (their parents had to drive them around and supervise) Their first CD had a great "roots" sound. Not so #2. They had grown up a bit and took off in another direction. Too bad.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Joan, you didn't miss much. It was just somebody with a "Levon mentality" when it wasn't necessary. A Robbie bash simply stated by his Facebook that he was on the up and up which was in reference to feeling better since his mother's passing. Instead somebody had to bring up the same old boring publishing and songwriting crap. It was erased from the Facebook too. I thought stuff like that could only be found on this guestbook?


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Web: My link

From the Dragon*Con Convention in ATL this past weekend.

From their website: "Dragon*Con is the largest multi-media, popular culture convention focusing on science fiction and fantasy, gaming, comics, literature, art, music, and film in the US."


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Posted by:

Jan F.

. . . and a lot of muscian/songwriters were DEAD by the time they were 26/27 so I guess they peaked around that time (or right before)for real.

I was the girl on the GB who didn't care for John Prine's "In Spite of Ourselves," but I'd rather listen to that album 24/7 if Mr. Steve would ditch his Coldplay CDs and, perhaps, take Sufjan Stevens out of the rotation for a while.

J.F. J.F.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, how old was Dylan when he wrote" the perfect song"? Yes he did some good stuff later but the years that made his name is 22 to 27 roughly.

How about musicians that had well established careers before their mid twenties. The obvious examples are Little Stevie and MJ. MJ as I mentioned earlier was 24 when he released his masterpiece.

The years that made Little Stevie's career the exceptional one that is was 72 to 74\75, or when he was between 22 and 25.

Levon is a hard argument to make because his career wasn't built mostly on songwriting which is what I'm talking about.

Luke, the classical composers are a whole different ballgame , don't you think. I can't think of them as songwriters really. The fact you can be deaf and be a brilliant composer puts it in a whole different world.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Don’t believe anyone has mentioned it but apropos of the Beatles conversation, the latest edition of Rolling Stone has a very good and detailed piece by Mikal Gilmore on the break-up of the band. The Band is mentioned as influencing the recording of Beatles albums in the late 60’s with Lennon –after listening to The Band - derisively telling George Martin something along the lines of “not to bring any of his studio shit” to the latest songs…..Anyhow, a very good article that many here would no doubt be excited to read.

3 or 4 songs stand the test of time on Street Legal ( Where are you Tonight?....Senor…..Changing of the Guards…)…but really not the example to pick in terms of a masterwork post age 25 is it? Love and Theft is a masterwork and was recorded when the great man was almost 60…..That all said…with few exceptions…the great works of rock music were all largely composed by artists in their 20’s……see Beatles, Stones, The Band, Kinks, Who, Led Zep, Floyd, etc.

Joan: I guess because you strike me as someone with superb taste…I can’t quite reconcile the thought of you listening to Nichelback….astonishing really….we should roll out a Guilty Pleasures contest soon…..Kyle Minogue’s “Can’t get You Out of My Head” and a recent hit by Lady GaGa are two that I could not resist turning up on the TV whenever they came on………ditto this latest thing by the Black Eyed Peas……I feel less guilty when tapping my toes to the current hit by the great Kings of Leon…..


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: How Many More Years

Chester Arthur Burnett a/k/a Howlin' Wolf began his recording career in 1951 at the age of 41. Basically illiterate, he also returned to school later in Chicago to earn a G.E.D. and attend business courses to help with his music career.


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Posted by:

luke m

It's an interesting question about age, the received wisdom in classical world seems to be that composers start to find it harder going around 35. Even composers who were incredibly fluid in their youth start to find it harder to finish work, make instinctive decisions etc. But the amazing thing is how many composers had middle and late flowerings (provided, like Mozart, Schubert, Chopin, Mendelssohn, the flowering wasn't just in the form of overhead daisies). Beethoven rewrote the book in his 50's with late piano sonatas and quartets, you could argue that Brahms only really got going in his forties. And even Rossini who more or less gave up at 37 came back with a bullet with his Petite Messe Solenelle in his 70's! So I think it makes Dylan a very interesting case indeed. And Leonardo da Cohen, to a certain extent. Is it too much in the way of backstage refuelling that burns the soul, or too many Tuesday night dates, or the relative simplicity of the rawk genre (not a value judgment), or the fact that people are not trained to go beyond the limits of their instinct - however extraordinary that instinct may be, Brian Wilson being an obvious example. In other words, the miracle that is Astral Weeks doesn't have the sheer craft behind it that would allow it to be revisited and further explored. Unlike Dylan, Van doesn't seem to have found a way to go on pushing the boundaries of his own art. On the other hand if that art was based on craft maybe it just wouldn't fly like it does. It does interest me though. Hmm. I wonder what Marvin Gaye might have come up with.. come to think of it he was 30 when he did What's Going On.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, just about. The Future might be better than Ten New Songs, but only a bit. Graceland is Paul Simon’s best on some days, but the true afficianado prefers Hearts & Bones, only a year or two earlier. Levon’s last two are way better that what he was doing thirty years ago, just after The Band. Street legal is among mmy Top Five Dylan albums. Blood on The Tracks and Desire were into his thirties too.

The trouble with a car system is the absence of a mono button. Those were much used by DJ’s in the late 60s / early 70s, because even that late, some danceable tracks had crude wide stereo separation, which meant one side of the hall got drums and bass and the other trumpets and vocals. But mono sounds great in my car … all my much-played Stax / 60s Motown is off the mono boxe sets. Buy German, not Canadian, Charlie!


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Posted by:

Steve

Luke, Good examples of great work done at a later age. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I think they are the exceptions. I set out to discover how old musicians were when they did what is considered their prime material after being reminded of the ages people like MJ, Strayhorn, Armstrong and a couple of others were when they recorded what is considered to be their masterpieces.

People seem to need time to mature and get a little bit of life on their own under their belts before cutting loose. Then they seem to have trouble topping that 25ish work.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: All You Need is Cash

I got the boxed set of the first four Beatles LPs when they were reissued back in 2004, with both stereo and mono versions included on each disc (which they could have been done with these latest reissues as well). I liked mono sound on the family 1964 Chevy car radio when I first heard those songs, but in my (Canadian made) 2007 Chevy Equinox with upgraded sound system, please, please give me stereo. Mono sounds awful in there. That's a factor rarely discussed by reviewers--most of whom listen on state-of-the-art home systems one would assume--exactly what sort of device a person uses to play these CDs.

I have a friend who got an advance copy of the stereo box and his opinion has gone from "WOW" to "huge EMI rip-off" in a matter of days. He still hasn't listened to the "Past Masters" discs, though.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Royalties/DLEW

I missed out on the original post that started the discussion on royalties. Jan had deleted it by the time I logged on. Not important.

Dlew, I like Nicklecreek. I have their first cd and we listened to it a lot. I was very anxious to hear their second attempt. I hated it. No consistency. They couldn't decide if they were "roots" or "rock". Gave it a couple of listens and I think it was given away, Maybe not. But it was a big disapointment.


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Posted by:

luke m

Subject: better than at 25

Steve, get ready. From Elvis in Memphis! Boom! Man was 34.

Willie on Red Headed Stranger. In his forties.

These might be exceptions. I'd have Dylan hitting the heights through certain songs of his gospel days, on Oh Mercy, on Love and Theft.


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Posted by:

David P.

You have to remember that the early Beatles sessions were recorded on a two-track tape recorder. It wasn't until late 1963 that EMI upgraded to four-track machines. In 1968, for the White Album, they began using eight-track recording equipment.

When recording in twin-track, George Martin recorded the instruments on one track, at a lower volume, to reduce distortion. With the vocals recorded on the other track at a higher volume level, great care was needed to mix the two tracks properly balanced. When overseeing the mono mixes, Mr. Martin took great care in doing this, however, early attempts, done by others, at mixing in stereo failed to achieve a good balance.

In general, during that era, more care was taken in the mono mixes because that was used for the singles for radio airplay. It wasn't until the mid to late sixties that the LP format and stereo mixes gained more popularity.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, are you saying those albums are better than the ones they did when they were 25ish? That was my point.

Claire Chuck was a star by his late 20's, especially with Maybelline, when he was 29. In Chuck's case you have to subtract the time he lost by being in jail after high school. That would put him at about 25ish when he hit it big.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Mostly, I believe the Beatles and George Martin had left the studio before the stereo mix was done. It was an engineer's job of little interest because so little rock music was stereo … much more so in the UK than the USA.

I'll have a think about drumming samples tomorrow as I re-listen.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Sunday morning I was on the road very early. I heard a discussion about the new Beatle box set in Mono and how when recording for mono, they put a lot of work/hours into the songs and the way they should be played and sung for mono. Stereo, which was new at the time, was a throw-away and that the Beatles essentially treated the recording of the stereo version as such and after spending considerable time recording for mono, would only do a take or two for most of the stereo stuff.

Can't see how a box set can confirm anything Peter, were there hidden parts of Ringo's drumming that resurfaced or did they discover more portions of him knowing when not to play ;). Anyway - never having been a big Ringo drum fan, I do however find the drum part on Strawberry Fields to be very unique and kind of a definitive sound for him. I'd be interested in knowing what other folks thought were distinctive/definitive drum parts that Ringo played - parts that had a stand out sound, beat.., whatver that makes you think of Ringo as a superb drummer.


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Posted by:

luke m

Bill, I like your thinking here but my experience of iftar is that it is a lavish meal potentially exceeding the budget for a regular day's food. Plus if memory serves me right I would need to invest in a sheep, and feed it, at least until the end of Ramadan. Perhaps I will just invite them to reflect that what is without you (Not A Second Timer, in mono!) is more important than what is within you (food - for a few weeks anyway).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Debbie Harry (a surprising) 32 for Denis.

Chuck Berry, 38 when he cut Nadine / No Particular Place To go.

Jooni Mitchell, 39 for Wild Things Run Fast

Paul Simon, 44 when he cut Graceland.

Bob Dylan 37 when he cut Street Legal (notice I stick there!)

Robbie Robertson, 43 for Somewhere Down The Crazy River, 55 for Contact from the Underworld of Red Boy.

Van Morrison 60 for Magic Time

Garth Hudson, 64 for Sea To The North

Leonard Cohen, 67 for Ten New Songs

Levon Helm, 67 for Dirt Farmer.



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Posted by:

David P.

I forgot to add a Band connection. Like Levon, Billy Strange is another musician who appeared as an actor in "Coal Miner's Daughter". He played the part of pedal steel guitarist Speedy West. In real life Billy Strange and Speedy West played together on many great recordings.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Simon, Simon & Strange

"Red Rubber Ball" was written by Paul Simon & Bruce Woodley (of The Seekers). The hit recording by Cyrkle was produced by John Simon & engineered by Roy Halee at Columbia's Studio B in New York.

In addition to the late great Lee Hazlewood, another key collaborator of Nancy Sinatra was Billy Strange. Mr. Strange, a composer, producer & guitarist (a veteran Wrecking Crew session player), arranged & conducted Ms. Sinatra's recordings, including "These Boots Are Made For Walking".


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Posted by:

Bill M

Luke M: A quick tip before I return to my leisurely scroll through the postings - convert to Islam on the double. Ramadan has just started, which means you and the family won't be eating during the day for the better part of a month, plus there's no prohibition on buying box sets. Tell your family that it's good for their souls.


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Posted by:

Claire

Chuck Berry


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: The Golden Age

Peter, it's not a rock movie. It's an international spy-thriller with a brilliant soundtrack.

Should musicians retire from producing new material after the "Golden" age of about 25-26 since they mostly seem to have done their most impressive work at about 25. M Jackson, Thriller at 24, Lewis Armstrong, Incredible version of King Oliver's West End Blues at 27, J2Rs, all of "The Band" at 26, Billy Strayhorn, Take The A Train at 24, Dylan Blonde On Blonde at 25 and on and on.

What are the examples of someone doing better, or more memorable work after their mid twenties, Leonard Cohen is exempted of course. Put your thinking caps on.


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Posted by:

luke m

ps Among dreadful rock films I would nominate as the worst Prince's Under The Cherry Moon, possibly because I had the misfortune to sit through it in an actual cinema, making escape harder.


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Posted by:

luke m

Subject: monovision

Thanks Peter. I have been googling like a loon and am a click away from signing away a month's dinners to the mono box set. Havn't told the family yet.

Your note on Help makes me glad we couldn't get a BBC TWO signal on holiday in Wales!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: We run and hide our heads …

I ordered the stereo box set. Amazon just wrote to say it has been dispatched, so I know what I’m doing tomorrow. The reviews say the stereo mix on the first three is “ludicrous” and as we know neither The Beatles nor George Martin had any interest or input into the stereo mixes. When I ordered the stereo box, I assumed they’d remastered and reprocessed the stereo, but apparently they remastered it but kept the absurd separation, band on one side, voices on the other.

The consensus is the first four should be mono, as should also be Sergeant Pepper where the experts say the mono mix was the master mix and the stereo subsequent. However, the review I read said the stereo mix is revelatory.

I wish now I’d chosen the mono box set, then got Abbey Road in stereo immediately, then feed the others in gradually. BUT I’m hoping by Christmas amazon will have mono boxes at a big discount.

It’s a typical EMI / Beatles mish-mash. The unanimous opinion of fans is they should have sold the lot with both mixes on each CD. In the earlier abums, both mixes would have fitted easily on one CD, for the later ones, an extra disc nowadays costs pennies.

Any reviewer who thinks “Rain” boring is not worth paying (serious) attention to, though it was amusing. Definitely one of The Beatles ten greatest tracks, and it forms a group with Strawberry Fields Forever / Baby You’re A Rich Man / Rain. The last review I read says the whole box confirms what a brilliant drummer Ringo is.

I caught about half of Help! on TV on Saturday. My opinion remains the same as when I saw it on initial release. That really is one of the worst rock films ever made!


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Number 9

Bill, #9 Train is on Capricorn's comp from the Fire and Fury labels. Great vocal and guitar. The recording of #9 is from 57 two years after Folsom Prison Blues which share a very similar line which is in the chorus of #9; When I hear that lonesome whistle, Lord I just can't help from cryin.

Deb,I thought I've been showing incredible control. I didn't even jump in when BEG said J2Rs had the best hair on stage even though he was sharing the stage with John Fogerty.


Entered at Tue Sep 8 12:28:39 CEST 2009 from (78.146.99.160)

Posted by:

luke m

Thanks d. Very funny in places though intentionally I trust when he asks 'How could a song called “Rain” not be boring?' I like the aside about With the Beatles being perfect for people who think the hi-hat is the most important musical instrument. Meanwhile... mono or stereo? I should point out that I don't think the vinyl LPs I grew up on were mono except maybe first two. So I don't know the mono mixes. Is Pepper really better in mono? I have been driven crazy by the stereo panning on the '87 CD... especially when one of the speakers in my old Rover gave out. Pepper in one channel only doesn't sound great..


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Luke M

The link may be informative...


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Posted by:

carmen

Has there been any updates on RR's new album?


Entered at Tue Sep 8 11:46:46 CEST 2009 from (78.146.99.160)

Posted by:

luke m

I am afraid it is Beatles Wednesday that brings me here and the burning question... stereo or mono box set?

The reason it matters is that you can only get the mono by getting the box set so you can't mix and match earlier mono with later stereo... I really know this stuff back to front and upside out from age 10, so I am interested in little details that might come out in either new mix. What do the experts of the GB reckon? My hunch is to do my bit for the world recession (as outlined below), by buying the mono box set and then getting the odd stereo single CD as money starts to flow again some time after 2020.

The mention of Salt Lake City (land-locked - salt-locked?) reminds me of the Beach Boys song, I've always wondered why they ended up singing about that particular city and whether they were joking when they say how cool the inhabitants are.

On a more Band-related note, I charged up my son's (13 yrs) iPod and it landed a random selection of stuff from my iTunes library on his iPod. He just listened to bits and pieces but picked out the Whispering Pines version of Across the Great Divide as a favourite. Better than the Band version, he reckons..


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Joan...

I'd blame the sound: the version is certainly not helped by the audience singalong. Check out Nickel Creek in a more controlled environment - they are incredible. (But I agree 'The Weight' isn't great in that context)...


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Posted by:

Deb

Steve, I know, I'm totally predictable -- but so are you and these other nice folks just put up with us for the most part. I have had a couple of posts not related to this subject in the last few months, I think -- Memphis and health care reform -- but it's nice to know you can hear my footsteps approaching.

To answer your question, I'd put more credence in the daughter of one of the principals than I would the lady in the CD shop. I'm not aware that she's made any comment, though.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Charlie, roll over and go to sleep. The light from your laptop is keeping me up.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

There's no truth to the rumor JTull Fan and I are living together, but we are apparently using the same internet service provider.

Speaking of Richard Thompson, JTF, I see that he and Loudoun Wainwright are playing at the Paramount Theater in Charlottesville as part of their "Loud and Rich" tour. Nice to see those two old pros are not taking themselves TOO seriously. Does anyone have the Thompson box set? It looks like a good one.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Bill M: I believe Ten-East was the publishing company of the Springfield's managers and first producers, Charlie Greene and Brian Stone.

Barry S: You may not be aware of this, but royalties are divided equally between the composer and publisher of a song. For the Band, the five members held equal shares of the company that published the songs, and thus each member received some compensation for the sales and performance of each original Band song, whether or not they also held composition credit for the song. Helm has claimed that Danko, Manuel, and Hudson all sold their interests in the publishing at some point along the way, but that he retained his share.

For what it's worth, my personal feeling is that the financial arrangements of people I don't know are their business, not mine.


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Posted by:

Steve

Deb, good to see you. I can almost hear your foot steps approaching before the post hits the page. How much weight would you put on the facts as presented by, oh I don't know, maybe the daughter of one of the principals. I bet she'd have an equally interesting take on the "facts". What do we do then if they're at odds with each other . maybe go down to the CD shop?

Bill, Number 9 Train rocks! I'll get back to you on it later, Got work to do before that l'evenin sun goes down.


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Posted by:

Deb

I suppose Sebastian's "you can do what you want to with this information" could be taken as approval to post the whole correspondence, so I withdraw that comment, Barry.


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Posted by:

Deb

Barry, you asked what people think, otherwise I would not comment. Here's what I think:

If I were looking for the facts in this matter, I'd tend to believe the son of one of the principals before the lady in the CD store at Woodstock.

I think it would be nice to state that you have permission of the other party in a private discussion before you share it with the world on an internet guestbook. I read through twice and didn't see anything to that effect, but if I missed it, I apologize in advance.

I respect Levon as a singer, a drummer, and a musical force. However, I think that the argument about Levon interpreting the South for Robbie wears a bit thin. Robbie spent significant time here during their time with Ronnie Hawkins and his body of work shows him to be a keen observer. As I've said in the GB before, I know three different women named Anna Lee myself. Doesn't make me capable of writing "The Weight."

I think it would be nice to look at any site dedicated to the Band or Robbie Roberston without coming across these tired accusations.

I can certainly agree with your admiration of the Band and their music.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I forgot to commend you on your taste re Tarheel Slim's Number 9 song. As it's the opening track on the second jump blues volume of the blues series that came out 10 or 15 years ago, I'm guessing that that's what you've been listening to. I remember telling a friend that that particular comp is one of the very best CDs ever made.

Barry S: Lotsa relatively fortunate guys from lotsa relatively fortunate groups get a share of songs they didn't write themselves but that members of their groups did. It happens when the group owns its own publishing. Aside from the Band, a good example would be Springalo Tunes, ownership of which was (is?) shared equally by the members of the group. So while Neil Young would have gotten all the songwriting royalties for, say, "Clancy", each of the five guys in the group (including Neil) would have gotten an equal share of Springalo's share of the publishing royalty, which in their case was shared among Springalo (i.e., the group), Cotillion (i.e., the record company) and Ten East (whatever they might have been). Publishing royalties for Robbie's early songs for the Band would have gone to Dwarf, as opposed to Robbie and his Bandmates, but subsequent stuff was published by a group-owned enterprise, I believe. And that's what Sebastien would have been referring to, presumably. It's worth keeping in mind that shares of a group's publishing are commonly bought up from departing members, and that, in the case of defunct groups especially, a more business-minded member might purchase his (former) colleagues' shares if they're willing to sell. Some do because they need the money, some do because they no longer really give a shit, so do for a multitude of rational or irrational other reasons ...


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Posted by:

Barry Solan

Location: Newark, De.

Subject: The old arguement about the songwriting and publishing credits and how the money was distributed between the band members..

e-mail correspondence deleted


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Posted by:

Bill M

Hey, I like a bunch of those songs!! But not "Billy Don't Be A Hero" or "Timothy" or anything I've ever heard by Dawn. "The End" is nothing worse than overwrought - as if it were a Tom Jones 45. "Seasons In The Sun" is nice if you hear it every once in a while, as opposed to once every hour for three straight years, as was the case when it came out.

Scrolling back, it took me a long time to get to the point that Sultana was a boat. Presumably the first to have a raisin named after it. Thompson was of course a headless gunner, so there's still that military theme.

sadavid: If you like 'riparian', you must try to catch the episode where Hyacinth and Richard rent a boat and she starts planning for one of her riparian entertainments.

Joe J: We won't even talk about your inability to put your finger on it. Good thing - you were in a mall for crying out loud.

If I too can be pedantic, since it's in Canada, Six Nations is a Reserve, not a Reservation.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm Band with Jim Weider NYC September 2, 2009.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...and here's the one I previously posted but this time with a lovely photo of Robbie's Ma. One's spirit will always live on. :-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Another obituary for Robbie's Ma from the Brantford Expositor.

Robbie Robertson loses 'great mother'

OBITUARY: Rosemarie (Dolly) Robertson

Posted By SAL BOMMARITO

"Elaine Bomberry, a friend of the performer's and former Six Nations resident who is now a music promoter in Vancouver, said in an email message that Robbie would often talk about his mom." "What I do recall him saying was that he always took care of his mother and that she either lived with him, or near him, in L. A."


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Ahab the Ay-rab

Ray Stevens made a career for himself with novelty songs like A the A but he was also a fine country singer & writer. His version of Misty is my favorite. Roger Miller was another that was also much better than his comedy catalog would indicate.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Web: My link

Subject: Richard Thompson

nice article. I know he is discussed periodically out here.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bad songs

"Its my party and I'll cry if I want to" Lesley Gore, "Ahab the Arab" Not too PC today. 'The Monster Mash" "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini"

I like "Red Rubber Ball"

dlew, that was an atrocious version.


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Posted by:

Steve

Web: My link

Dlew, maybe I'm confused but wouldn't it only help Samoans prepare for left lane driving if they were moving from Aus or NewZ to Samoa not the other way round, unless of course they move to Aus and then return to Samoa with some left hand driving experience.

Joe, if you'd like to hear a blues take on " the non-workingman's blues" check out the link.

Peter, M Appeal , wearing the boots works quite well.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Photos galore from many musical genres.

"Let us all thank Robert Corwin for being such a good photographer, and having such single minded devotion to use his craft to record things that probably do need to be recorded" Pete Seeger


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Workingman's blues

Link to a Hag video.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Red Rubber Balls...and Green Berets

I think it was Paul Simon and not John Simon who wrote "Red Rubber Ball." I don't think that's a bad song at all. It all depends on personal point of view and associations, of course. For example, Sgt. Barry Sadler's pro-war hit, "The Ballad of the Green Beret" was hugely popular in some circles, but my father came home with an alterate version the marines sang in Vietnam. I just remember the chorus, "one hundred marines will s&#t today and wipe their ass on the green beret."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dance With The Guitar Man

Lee Hazlewood, Steve. He did all the early Duane Eddy stuff. Collaborations with Nancy Sinatra include These Boots Are Made For Walkin, Sugar Town, Jackson, How Does That Grab You, Darlin’. His star is shining pretty bright since his death in 2007, with well-reviewed retrospective compilations. The "One of these days thee boots are gonna walk right over you …" touched a chord at the time, possibly masochistic one. The Avengers TV show came out with the single Kinky Boots in the same era.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: John Simon's

Red Rubber Ball??


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Speaking from my usual position - that of ignorance...

But I'd imagine that as Samoa has a high percentage of its citizens who move to Aus. and NZ, the transition wouldn't be so hard... but that's an assumption...


Entered at Mon Sep 7 14:51:53 CEST 2009 from 21cust26.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.26)

Posted by:

Steve

Putting aside the argument about which side of the road to drive on is better, Peter, Samoans, I think have cars designed for driving on the right side of the road. The reporter I heard said people were afraid to get off buses since they are getting off into traffic. Yikes!

Peter now that you've made your feelings known about the Sinatra songs how about a break down of the lyrics like you've done on some of the best Band songs Let me throw this out to start.

You keep lying, when you ought to be truthin'

and you keep losin, when you ought to not bet

You keep samin, when you ought to be changing

Now, what's right is right but you ain't been right yet.

I think Robbie might have drawn inspiration from this for The Snake song. You could probably intersperse the lines into the Snake song without ruining the flow or feeling. I see them possibly walking to Durango in their brand new pairs of boots. Snake skin boots perhaps made from the snake by the lake. Nancy would have to sing it to give it that , je ne sais quoi".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Changing sides

Sweden switched from left to right in 1967, because it had land borders.Islands aren't usually bothered. Samoa is switching to be the same as Australia and New Zealand, but also because we all know driving on the left makes more sense!


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Nickel Creek

I'll get back to you about worst songs, but this clip, by the remarkable Nickel Creek, gets quite relevant around the 1:25 mark...


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Posted by:

Steve

When YMCA came out the folks at the YMCA, who obviously didn't "get" the song, used it in commercials to promote the Y.

If you want to give any of the songs mentioned an added twist to take them to the next level run them through your head with Celine Dion singing them. Or, for Peter's pleasure, maybe a duet of Celine and that Door's singer, what's his name.

Back to the real world. At midnight last night drivers in Samoa were directed to switch from driving on the right side of the road to the left lane. Holy Fuck! Can anyone think of a better receipt for disaster.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Timothy

I checked. Yes, it's horrible. It's an unfortunate name because other tracks called Timothy by UFO, Dada and someone else were all horrible too.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Happy Beatles Week! But not yet …

There are a few compilations. British DJ Kenny Everett started it off with “The World’s Worst Record Show” LP (on puke coloured vinyl) in 1978, based on listeners’ votes. I believe the eventual “winner” was Jess Conrad’s This Pullover. You don’t have to hear it. The title says it all.

Then there are the two “Guilty Pleasures” CD compilations, and they include Afternoon Delight and the likes. I like BOTH Nancy Sinatra submissions (These Boots Are Made For Walkin’ and Somethin’ Stupid) and bought both as 45 rpm singles when they came out. Crimson and Clover has a dumb lyric, but Dolly Parton’s recent cover was my most-played record for a couple of months. Was it 2007?

All ABBA’s major hits are great pop music, and an ABBA Greatest Hits CD should adorn every collection … as should (dare I say it) a few select tracks by The Carpenters.

I’d say both Sugar Sugar and Seasons in The Sun are guilty pleasure territory. Knock Three Times, Tie A Yellow Ribbon and Billy Don’t Be A Hero are so horribly bouncy and catchy and memorable that they’re like eating radishes, beause if once heard they repeat all day. Relax by Frankie Goes to Hollywood is in the same category. Or maybe in another sub-category, “gay disco” with YMCA and In The Navy.

Mandy, Ruby Don’t Take Your Love To Town etc are horrible in quite a different way. It’s like having treacle poured on your head. The End by The Doors may be the worst record ever committed to vinyl, by the least-talented famous singer, but I doubt it. I suspect that lurking in the heavy metal racks, and mercifully never heard by me, there are probably hundreds of tracks as bad or worse. And it’s not catchy. Truly annoying records have to be catchy.

I’ll have to stick with Little Boxes in the Pete Seeger version. Fortunately, I’ve never heard “Timothy.” I might try for the free 30 seconds on iTunes out of curiosity.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: I reached out

I gave the challenge to friends and neighbors, who came up with Jerry Reed's "Disco Duck" and then blanked out. They also cited several other tunes that already got mentioned earlier. They are all 55+ years old, and blanched with horror as they remembered "Timothy".


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: I'm mortified, choking on my own bile

Subject: My brain won't stop

I was just about to add "Billy don't be a Hero", and got beat to the punch. How about Jerry Reed's horrific "The Streak", and his followup, "Convoy"? So atrocious they made a movie about it. Tony Orlando & Dawn's "Knock Three Times"? That awful Doors song with the lyric, "Father, I want to KILL you. Mother, I want to...(heh heh, heh)"? Kenny Rogers' "Ruby, Don't take Your Guns to Town". Anything by Leo Sayer. Anything by The Archies, like "Yummy Yummy Yummy I Got Love in My Tummy". I've gotta impose a moratorium on myself or I won't sleep tonight. "Tie a Yellow Ribbon", anyone? How about that tribute to cannabalism, "Timothy" by The Buoys.I actually know the guy who wrote & recorded this clunker, he's doing music therapy at an institution for the retarded now. Gotta stop... I'm posessed.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Truly awful songs? I'll bite. "Seasons In The Sun" - Terry Jacks "Sometimes When We Touch" - Dan Hell...oops, Hill! "Afternoon Delight" - Starland Puke Band "All My Life" - Billy Joel (He should have retired this one faster than the latest marriage) most of ABBA most of Barry Manilow


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Joan

Joan, you can't stop now. How about anything by the ARCHIES?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bad songs

It depends on how far back you want to go. "Billy Don't Be A Hero" "Teen Angel" There are more, but I'm making myself sick, so I'll stop.


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Posted by:

Peter M,

Location: I'm SO sorry, but I CAN'T resist (I LOVE this subject!)

Subject: reneging on my promise

How 'bout the implicitly incestuous duet by Nancy & Frank Sinatra, "Something Stupid"? Talk about going the extra mile for your nearly no-talent daughter's "career".


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: Shame

Subject: just one last time, then I'll stop. Honest.

It's a big stretch, but... anything by that 1969 group of pseudo Muppets, the Banana Splits. "Fa La La, La La La La". And the best/worst part is (for 100 points or TWO bags of Kraft Caramels), who was their songwriter? This one is a real shocker. It's by a guy who later made it to the top of the charts on his own material, but at this point, he was a hack songwriter for a third rate Saturday morning kids' show.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: gotta do it again

Anything by Tommy Rowe. "Hooray for Hazel", anyone? Diabolically awful.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Steve

Do you mean Earwigs? 'Cause I've got lots of them in my garden. And they are nasty little f##kers.


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Posted by:

Steve

I'm actually sorry I asked for this, These boots were made for walking has been in my head on and off for the last few hours and I actually shuddered when I saw Peter M's, Mandy. Happy birthday Bonk!

To cleanse my brain I'm going to put on some Jump and Holler Blues that I've been getting into recently, the B level guys, not the big names in blues.

One song that I'm especially fond of is #9 train by Tarheel Slim. Tarheel didn't do a lot of top level stuff but #9 Train is one of his best efforts. H Bomb Ferguson, probably the wackiest guy in the biz has also been a guy I've been getting into. H Bomb can remove any ear worms that have burrowed in.


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Posted by:

Bonk

Subject: Steve and Peter M

Steve, I listened 'Seasons in the Sun" But I had to go to YouTube to get it. You're right, I did want to puke. But seeing it's my birthday to-day I washed my mouth out with Labatts Blue and felt better. Then Peter M throws in 'Mandy' and I lost the Blue. Shit, and these guys made a ton of quid off these songs? It must kill Levon to hear this crap!


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: pukeable?

"Sugar, Sugar", "Mandy"


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Posted by:

Steve

The lyrics for those songs which you prompted me to read are worthy of a place on the shelf in my humble opinion. Crimson and clover ( which I'm on my way to bale when I finish this post) are remarkable aren't they. Maybe Tommy was referring to a role in the hay ( clover) with his honey, we can only hope the song at least had that redeeming factor. He does seem eager to show her, crimson and clover.

These boots are made for walking are just plain dumb.

The ones I posted are actually pukeable. I dare you to read them, or worse listen to them again. You may need to take a walk or have a drink between songs. I'll pray for you


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Steve

How about 'These boots were made for walking' or 'Crimson and clover?


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Posted by:

Steve

Randy Bachman played the, Stoned Me, demo on his program last night and followed it immediately with the album version which sounded almost harsh for a couple of seconds. The demo had been so mellow the released version was a slight bit startling. Bachman was playing demos that led to hit records. He played The Beach Boys demo of, Seasons In The Sun, which was bad enough but then he played the "hit version" by Terry Jack. Is there another song that was such a big hit that is so horrid, outside of Honey, of course. They could be bookends for a subset of hit songs.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: And It Stoned Me

Just played it. I’d forgotten how good that version is. It’s from the “Laughing in The wind” boot, but has probably appeared on other boots. It has that same ghostly print through echo of some of the Richard Manuel basement stuff. I don’t know who it is, but I can find out. I’d guess it was Janet Planet, the first Mrs Morrison. The demos are some kind of studio because there are bits talking to the engineer. The album is fascinating to hear Van with his own guitar accompaniment, and the songs aren’t quite how they turned out. These Dreams of You is also very fresh.

Seas and lakes … don’t lakes drain into rivers, but rivers drain into seas? Which is why the Caspian and Dead sea are seas? They’re the end of the line for rivers. This is speculation. Can’t be bothered to look it up. But probably people naming stuff never knew for certain, and didn’t have a rule book of geographical nomenclature.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Prine is a Prince

Joe: I had the pleasure of meeting John Prine once and he's one of the nicest musicians I've met. I was lucky enough to see him during his first US tour in 1972. He'd been a Chicago mail carrier six months before. I've been a fan ever since but never got to meet him until after a show in the Philly area a few years back. It was a all-star tribute show for a Philly area DJ who was celebrating 40 years on the air, and I got to meet a few of the performers after the gig, but talking to John Prine was the highlight. He's a genuine and unique voice in a world with far too few.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Turning Water Into Brine

Peter, I think you're referring to that "miracle" in the desert that the church of Mormonnonity claims as its own. The faithful call it "The" Sea Change.

Peter, have you heard the demo for, And It Stoned Me? It's an acoustic guitar and Van singing with a female voice singing harmony on the chorus. I was wondering if you've heard it and if so who is the woman singing?

It's a great version, very mellow, quite beautiful.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Apparently not the Maritimes

Subject: Ships

If it floats it's a boat. If it's rigged for sail it's a ship.

Did I mention last weeks John Prine concert? As comfortable as an old sneaker. He left them wanting more for sure. One of the GB girls mentioned how much she disliked Prine's 'In Spite of Ourselves'. I believe it's transcendental.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Saline

I was thinking about these landlocked seas … the reason they're seas is they're salty … the Dead Sea, the Caspian Sea. If they're freshwater, they're lakes? But then why Salt Lake City? A question many people have asked.


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, I would think the meaning of maritime would have evolved from the shore out not from the ocean in. Just an idea, but since the first navigating was probably done on lakes and rivers and then slowly venturing out further and further into the great beyond I think the concept probably evolved from the land out.

If marines are part of the navy, and I'm sure they are, why do they do their basic training on land? I'd say they're more like amphibians. Going to the water only to get from place to place and then doing their main business on land.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The ocean, many years ago

Subject: As long as they don't hit my barstool, they can fight all they want.

PAT- As Westie would say, "Gawd damn it." Don't sugarcoat it. You know perfectly well that the US Marines are a part of the US Navy. It doesn't matter if they're sitting on top of a mountain a thousand miles from water, the Marines are a PART OF THE NAVY (as in "ships").

Also the difference between a ship and a boat is that boats are stored on ships (e.g. lifeboats), but ships are too big to be stored on boats. The difference between using the word "boat" versus "ship," while talking to an officer in the Navy (and, let's pretend you're a sailor) is about three hours of cleaning toilets in the "head."


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Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, when I said they manned ships, that meant they were ship-based. Their ability to extend that power from the ships to land came later, which of course means that their defined role evolved--in the same way the concept of "maritime" evolved.


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, then they're land based, right? They train on land, mostly, are stationed on land, mostly, and when you put them on a boat or ship they want to get off of it and back onto terra firma. When Marge's brother was in the Marines the only mention he made of ships was as transportation from one base to another in Korea, The Philippines and Japan. They seem to be the perfect group to make the water land connection that is part of the definition of maritime which the Free on line dictionary gives as; of, relating to or adjacent to the sea.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, it's never over. The US Marines were originally soldiers who manned ships to ward off boarding parties. They became good at amphibious landings and their responsibilities expanded accordingly.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, just to end the topic, the east coast provinces of Canada are called 'The Maritime Provinces', Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island. Curiously, Newfoundland is not included in the group as far as I know.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Robbie Robertson is on the up and up." Posted Thursday. I wonder which songs are helping him deal with his Ma's passing. It was Robbie's "Shine Your Light" and Steve Forbert's music that helped me. Perhaps that's why I always gave Steve the benefit of the doubt when it came to his song for Rick.

Robbie does the Ghost Dance.

Jim Weider plays with The Levon Helm Band at Austin City Limits. Thanks to road warrior G Man who introduced us in NYC when The Gurus were playing. Jim seems like a very sweet guy.

From Austin City Limits..."If there could be such a thing as royalty in the oh-so-democratic realm of Americana music, Levon Helm would certainly have a throne of his own. As drummer and frequent vocalist for the Band, which almost single-handedly put the “roots” into rock by merging country, blues, bluegrass, folk and even a little funk, his place in rock history is chiseled in granite."

I hope everyone is having a great LaboUr Day weekend! Celebrate your laboUr power! :-D


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Posted by:

Pat B

Subject: Death tolls

Pat, you are correct. The Sultana was much worse.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: More March 1966

As we were discussing it last week, the same music paper has The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Anymore at number one.

Just below we have Mr. M. Jagger writing on the subject of James Brown, who he was accused of copying.

I haven’t been influenced by James Brown at all. I was doing all my movements before I ever saw him. The only bit I pinched is where he scratches under his arms … I had a big argument with him at the Apollo … Some of his records are diabolical. I certainly would never buy them, but others are very good.

(pinched = stole, diabolical = very bad, NOT literally diabolical)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: In 1966

Just obtained a copy of Disc (music paper) for March 19th 1966. The ad for the Whisky A Go Go in London has these acts:

March 17th Irma Thomas

April 4th Georgie Fame

April 7th Don Covay

April 12th Screaming Jay Hawkins

April 14th Dee Dee Warwick

April 21st Lee Dorsey

May 5th The Dixie Cups

May 12th Sugar Pie De Santo

May 17th Patti LaBelle & Her Belles

June 16th Stevie Wonder

Phew! And in May you could have popped over to the Albert Hall to see Bob Dylan with The Hawks.

Time machine, anyone?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Cash for Clunker CDs

David: I love that idea as I have a lot of "clunkers" which would be nice to replace with cash. A great Labor Day weekend to all who get some time off.


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Posted by:

Steve

Thanks to everyone, including David, I don't want to split hairs, for taking the maritime debate to task.

To Sadavid, meaning is determined by use, eventually, isn't it?

Maritime Law pertains to commerce on the high seas and other navigable waters. The law has spoken!

Aren't the US Marines of land and sea and sometimes sky but mostly land?

Peter, I'm still treading water while reading your post. I know I'm over my head so I can't stop flailing. More, glug, glug, cough...... later.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Evangeline from the Maritimes

And it was Robbie, in his other song of Acadie, who rhymed Evangeline with the Maritimes, bringing to mind that Canadian clime :-)


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Posted by:

Pat B

Well it is the Friday before a three-day-weekend for we Americans, so why not? "Mare" is latin for "sea", and although sea can mean ocean, it can also refer to land locked bodies of water, thus the plethora of Great Lakes maritime museums and organizations. I believe maritime in its usage has come to include anything to do with sailing. Large ships that plied the Atlantic also ascended and descended the Mississippi. I doubt those maritimers thought something radically changed when they passed into the river. However, riverine is a great word and sadly underused.

Joan, in another stroke of irony, the General Slocum was named after Civil War Union General Henry Slocum who late in the war commanded troops along the Mississippi. I may have taken what you posted incorrectly, but more people died on the Sultana than on the General Slocum.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Maritime disasters

Reading here about The Sultana, brought the General Slocum to mind. A much larger loss of life. The attached link will take you to the story of the fire and deaths aboard the General Slocum ferry boat in NYC's East River. It took over 1000 lives.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: any time is maritime

Having had a year or two of (very) elementary Latin study, I always experience a slight mental catch when I hear G. Lightfoot sing of "the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral." To me, maritime means ocean. (It turns out ol' Gord was sailing under his poetic licence there, the actual name of the institution is the "Mariners' Church of Detroit (Free and Independent).") I do wonder if the Great Lakes sailors insist on "mariner" to emphasize that their work requires as much courage and skill as that of the blue-sea sailor.

While we might stretch a point for Superior and her sisters, even the mighty Miss is just a river; "maritime" is just sloppy in that context. "Riverine" is a great adjective that is cruelly underused. As is HER sister, "riparian." The wonderful song "Evangeline" is both riverine and riparian, thematically.

As a clueless kid, I always thought the Lightfoot song referred to some musty historical event, probably from way back in the '40s or something. I was astonished to learn that the '76 song recalled a '75 (shipping?) (aquatic?) disaster.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I attended a Town Hall as well. It was of equal mix, pro v against. Both sides booed and hissed and both sides yelled horrays. It was interesting. I don't think anything was accomplised but it was interesting seeing so much passion.


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Posted by:

David P.

Charlie: You did indeed mention that video game. George Martin's son Giles oversaw the painstaking assemblage on tracks for the Rock Band release. All the music labels, EMI perhaps even more so, need a shot in the arm. The pre-sales figures seem to indicate that the high sticker prices of these new Beatles releases aren't scaring away buyers. It's too bad consumers can't get a cash for clunker discount for trading in their old Beatle CD versions :-)


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Here's the Sultana, crowded with the unfortunates, less than 24 hours before she sank in what is universally called America's worst maritime disaster.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Another One on 9/9/09

Charlie: The other really big Beatles release is the Beatles Rock Band video platform, coinciding with the release of the box sets on 9/9/09.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Beatles Stereo Box...and Barbarians at the Gate

Amazon US has already sold out of their pre-publication stock of the stereo version of the 9/9/09 release of The Beatles box set (they never did post their price but with their low price guarantee I guess it doesn't matter). Maybe the sales of these indivdual CDs, box sets and the electronic game released the same day will be just the jump start the world economy needs. Here come The Beatles to kick us out of the doldrums just like they did in February 1964.

I made the mistake of going to one of those health insurance "town hall" meetings last night and left in disgust from the rude morons yelling insults and booing our US Senator Mark Warner. Much of the crowd apparently came from a pro "wrasslin' match" from their demeanor and level of sophistication. I was happy to hear "Up on Cripple Creek" as part of the PA music before things started. Unfortunately the evening went downhill from there. Bring back the British (like the Beatles), please!! All is forgiven!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Being really, really pedantic

Hair-splitting. I didn’t think it was a maritime disaster because the root of the word refers to the sea. The Advanced Learner’s dictionary says “of the sea or ships” so covers a shipping disaster, but the big one says of the sea, forces designed for fighting at sea or land adjacent to the sea. I think it’s a river disaster, also, a “ship” is defined as a “boat that operates at sea” and the collocation that comes to my mind on a river are “river boat” or "steamboat" or "paddle boat" regardless of its size. Also, surely it was an explosion that took place on a river, so not a disaster as a result of the actions of the river or the sea? Mechanical disaster?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Check out the What’s New section……Austin City Limits – simply the best live music showcase In the history of television has just taken a little blow to its reputation by promoting Levon Helm as “Levon Helm of Bob Dylan’s The Band”…..Say what!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Semantic Titanic

Steve: Your penchant for splitting hairs is a blogosphere disaster in & of itself.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Volcano....Acid Queen......Earthquake

Just heard Tina Turner on the radio and was reminded that some Acts of God are more pleasurable than others.....

A friend made a tape of the original Blue Ridge Rangers for me many many years ago.....Loved it and used to carry it around on trips back in the walkman days......


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Posted by:

Steve

I'll take your word for it but need to know if a ship sunk at sea by a hurricane would be a natural maritime disaster or just a maritime disaster. The definition of maritime includes land of course; of, near or living near the sea. How would the Sultana been classified if it had been sunk by a hurricane on the Mississippi? Maritime disaster, natural maritime disaster? I love words and combos there of, don't you?

Of course hurricanes by themselves are not natural disasters, just the damaged they cause. If they occur at sea and die there or make landfall on an uninhabited land does your definition, natural disaster, still fit?

It's really the results we're talking about I guess.

I'm off to mow hay hoping for no mechanical disasters.


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Posted by:

David P.

Steve: A hurricane is classified as a natural disaster, like a tornado, earthquake, volcano etc. Maritime disasters relate to events involving shipping & navigation on water, like that of the Edmund Fitzgerald, Rueben James and the Titanic, all memorialized in song like the Sultana.

Pat: As you well know, General Stoneman was captured in Georgia the year before the sinking of the Sultana, in a failed expedition to liberate Union prisoners held in Macon & Andersonville. I guess some of those same unfortunate prisoners, finally freed at the end of the war, may been aboard the Sultana. Today across the South, where cotton was once king, the soybean has become the cash crop, adding a touch of historical irony to the significance of the Sultana's final resting place.


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Posted by:

Steve

David, if hurricanes count as maritime disasters and I'm not sure if they do but think they should, at least 3 hurricanes have killed more Americans. The Great Galveston killed at least 8,000 possibly as many as 12,000, the Okeechobee Hurricane of 1928 killed 6,000 plus and Katrina which was the 5th deadliest killed about as many as the Sultana sinking.


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Posted by:

Pat B

David P, the Sultana picked up the liberated POW's in Memphis. Both boilers exploded at the same time, causing the ship to catch on fire and sink quickly. Your estimates of the carnage are about right--no one really knows. However, the river has changed since that awful night, and the hull of the Sultana now rests a few feet under the ground of a soy bean field, with part of it actually sticking out of the ground.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I own two Son Volt cds. Some good stuff but too many spotty tunes. At times it seems like he comes into what will be a good groove or riff and then mangles it because it might sound mainstream. Some of the stuff just plays awkward for me.


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Posted by:

David P.

Good to hear that Buddy Miller is on the mend following his heart attack & bypass surgery earlier this year.

While Jeff Tweedy's Wilco, the band, the song & the album, has deservedly garnered a lot of attention of late, his former Uncle Tupelo rival Jay Farrar also has an excellent new album out with his latest incarnation of the Son Volt band. Hopefully the album entitled "American Central Dust" (Rounder) won't fall below the public's radar.

One of the songs on the album is the dirge entitled "Sultana", which recounts the tragic saga of the Mississippi steamboat that sank in late April 1865, resulting in the worst maritime disaster in U.S. history. The Sultana was bound from New Orleans, on the way upriver to Cairo, Illinois. The paddleboat, designed for a capacity of 376 passengers, was overcrowded with thousands, many of them weakened Union soldiers who had just been liberated from Confederate prison camps. Just above Memphis several of the boat's steam boilers exploded and the ship quickly sank. Estimates of those who died range from 1500-1800. Many more were injured severely.

Other highlights include a tribute to Keith Richards entitled "Cocaine and Ashes", the latter referring to Mr. Richards' quip about what he did with his father's remains. Then there's "When The Wheels Don't Move", with the memorable line "bigger chariots didn't save Rome".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I would love to have this one of The Band members and Bob Dylan...one of my favourite collaborations.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

ilgenoano July 27, 2009 DENVER, March 13, 1966 RECORDED BY ROBERT SHELTON

Bob Dylan, voice and guitar, Robbie Robertson, 2nd guitar


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

An article on Robbie I couldn't find on this site. The author sold me a photo card of Robbie and Sebastian from his Roots connection. The first time I met Robbie I excitedly told him that I had a photo of both of them which really got him interested. LOL When he saw it was only the commercial photo from the Roots campaign.....


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Posted by:

Steve

Stephane Richer, damn. I knew I should have taken more time on that one. He played his junior hockey an hour drive down Auto Route#10 from here in Granby and actually played part of a season right here for the Sherbrooke Canadians near the beginning of his NHL career. Damn.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: John Fogerty

John Fogerty was great on Letterman tonight doing a nice version of "When Will I Be Loved." [I thought Serenity was supposed to cover this stuff, though] Anyway, he had a great all-star band as his rather large Blue Ridge Rangers band included the multi-talented Buddy Miller on guitar and the always-amazing Kenny Aronoff behind the drum kit. Longtime fans will recall Mr. Fogerty's orginal effort under the Blue Ridge Rangers moniker actually featured him on all the instruments.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Richer & Lafleur are the only two to score 50 more than once.....Rocket, Shutt and others all did it once - Rocket in just 50 games for goodness sake.....Richer twice, Lafleur 6 times I believe...I am not such a big sports fan anymore but this is one even serious Hab fans ( yes there are many in Toronto ) rarely know.....


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Posted by:

Steve

My guess would be Pierre Larouche. I know he did it once and I can't think of anyone else at the moment so I'll go with him. I know I'll probably regret not giving it further thought.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

I think there's an ECHO in here, and I'm not talking about Bobby Zimmerman's high school girlfriend.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Quiz

Steve: The great Guy Lafleur also scored 60 in a single season for the Habs.....other than that little mistake...a very smart little quiz..... Only two Hab players have scored 50 in a single season more than once....Lafleur and who else?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Garden Party

I'll look out for that. I hadn't heard of it, but I assume the irony gets through to all three vocalists.

Someone opened up a closet door and out stepped Johnny B. Goode

Playing guitar like a-ringin' a bell and lookin' like he should

If you gotta play at garden parties, I wish you a lotta luck

But if memories are all I sing, I rather drive a truck



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Posted by:

Steve

David you got that in 9 seconds before me. You got quicker fingers.


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Posted by:

Steve

Joe, John Fogerty does Garden Party with Henley and Schmit on his new Blue Ridge Rangers album. It gave me peaceful easy feeling. Quite nice harmonies.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Garden Party

joe j: That new version of Rick Nelson's "Garden Party" is from John Fogerty's new album of covers "The Blue Ridge Rangers Rides Again". It features harmony vocals by Don Henley and Timothy B. Schmit.


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Posted by:

Steve

YES JOE, you answered while I was posting. In the tradition of Canadian game shows of the time you'll be receiving a bag of Kraft Caramels in the mail sometime in the near future. Congrats!


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Posted by:

Steve

OK, clue answers; Part of a teenage ensemble in the late 70's that's name closely resembles the King Of Reggae. Toronto Marlies, Along with Bunny he regularly hosted the seafaring Wailers in the 70's, Bunny Larocque ( Canadien's back up goalie and The Hartford Whalers. I told you the clues would be clumsy and cryptic. The answer to the riddle is STEVE SHUTT. Still the only player to score 60 goals in a season for the Canadiens.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Rush/Berry

Steve: Am I right in thinking the missing link once played on a line with Billy Harris and Dave Gardner?

I do remember my 10th grade English teacher having the lyrics to 'Nadine' in the curriculum. We all preferred Chuck to Paul Simon whose lyrics were also up for discussion.

Has anyone heard a version of 'Garden Party' sung by ?? Timothy Schmidt(sp)? I heard a snatch of it in a shopping mall yesterday. Couldn't quite put my finger on it; like to hear it again though.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Arrested on Charges of Unemployment

Another one....Brown Eyed Handsome Man

Ignatius: Please post more often…..and you must check out the 4 dvd re-issue of Hail Hail Rock n Roll….The best re-issue ever released…….the full one hour talk with Little Richard,, Bo Didlley and Chuck plus two great segments with Robbie Robertson plus hours of other interviews and specials.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: If you wanna hear some boogie …

I know the words of Nadine right through, and I'm no vocalist. I could do reasonably well on a dozen, and every time someone mentions a candidate, I think, "OK, right, yes, that one …". I've just listened to Down The Road Apiece. Yet another bit of genius. And which is the best Johnny B. Goode story? Bye Bye Johnny? The Promised Land? Rockin' on the Railroad? It's fun finding out. (My vote is Bye Bye Johnny).


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Posted by:

Ignatius

Location: Pac NW US

Subject: Taking a Chuck Berry song to the desert island

I am mad for Rock and Roll music, if only because of its intelligence. It is the best critique of bad jazz, and maybe good jazz, I have ever encountered. At the least, it explains why I prefer one style to another.

Got no kick against modern jazz . . . etc.

I remember that the film of Keith Richard's tribute concert - its name escapes me at present - described the whole phenomenon of Chuck's back up bands. An additional note: Every rocker might know Johnny B. Goode, etc., but most play them in conventional guitar keys: E, G, C, etc.

Chuck prefers jazz keys like Eb and Bb. And you had to know HIS tunes in the correct key. If I remember right, with a bad backup band, he would finish the show, but keep an extra piece of the pay.

He may be a mean genius, but a genius all the same.

As for Robbie's solo album, I loved it at the time, but the hyper-production has not aged well. Just too deep in reverb, etc.

But one should always distinguish between the qualities of a song and the qualities of a song's presentation. I am still moved by the words and melody of Fallen Angel. Call me a sap, but I can't question the sincerity of his grief, and Peter Gabrielization aside, it is a fine song.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Quiz

Don Cherry????


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Posted by:

Steve

OK boys, I'm off to bale some sweet smelling second cut hay for the afternoon so before I go I'll steer you in the right direction. Look at the clues again with HOCKEY in mind. I heard Getty Lee tell the story of being introduced to Lifeson this morning. He was introduced as Alex Zivojinovic by the guy whose name you're looking for. Getty said the guy who introduced them couldn't pronounce the name then and even though the three of them are still friends to this day, he still can't say it right.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I know Voorman and White backed Lennon, but Berry too? The drummer at the end of sadavid's clip looks like Danny Taylor from Nucleus (soon renamed A Foot in Coldwater - who went on to national success). But oddly enough Taylor doesn't look much like the drummer in the bit that shows the guitarist in the yellow teeshirt (Mr Marconi, see the comments as per sadavid's note).

Kevin J: Rutsey would be the off-the-top choice, but I don't see how he'd fit in with Steve' hint.


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Posted by:

Steve

No, Kevin. But keep playing. Knowing the Toronto music scene might be a little misleading.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I've been doing a lot of cryptic crosswords recently so I'll subject you to some very clumsy, cryptic clues.

First, Kelly Jay was wrong. Clue #1. He came to prominence in Toronto in the late 70's as part of a teenage ensemble whose name closely resembles the King Of Reggae. Clue #2, stickng with a reggae theme; Along with Bunny, he regularly hosted the seafaring version of The Wailers in the 70's.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: chuck you, farley

Bill M: see comment from "Macaroni108" (comments page 5).


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: QUIZ

Steve.....is the answer John Rutsey.......someone quite drunk told me in a bar years ago that the name Rush came from a squibble on a wall that read Rutsey You Suck Hen....I never liked Rush so didn't pay much attention to any of this but that story stuck with me for some reason....Their current drummer is great though.....


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Yes

Klaus Voorman (bass) and Alan White (drums)


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I'm afraid I'll need more hints. The reference to 'a rush' in your hint makes me think it must be either a football player or Kelly Jay from Crowbar.

Keeping with Toronto trivia, who backed Chuck Berry for his appearance at the rock fest that also included John and Yoko with Eric Clapton. (I dont know the answer.)


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Posted by:

Peter V

There was a programme on Chuck on TV once showing him literally travelling alone "a suitcase and guitar in hand" through airports and railway stations. Someone put the rehearsal question to him, and he said "You think there are rock musicians out there who don't know Johnny B. Goode and Roll Over Beethoven?"


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Peter V

I’ve spoken to people who’ve backed Chuck. First off, in Britain, they never auditioned the bands, and they didn’t rehearse. He would get upset over unexpected instrumental line ups (like having a sax player or organist along). He really wanted rhythm guitar, bass, drums and piano. But on the news they were backing Chuck, the whole band wanted to turn up. As Brien says, woe betide anyone who decided to try a killer solo.

The second was that they had to be cheap. In the early 70s it was about £30. He then got very good bands quite often because so many people were honoured to play with him, that good bands took amateur bar band rates and backed him. But if they weren’t available, any band would do. The other thing is he wouldn’t tune to the band, but just took the guitar out of the case and waded in.

You get super groups as on Hail! Hail! Rock & Roll, but mostly I assume he didn’t care much as long as they could keep a rhythm going behind him. it was a one man show. I think the saddest thing is that if he had been a little less money conscious, and had taken (say) his Chess studio guys on the road, or assembled a sympathetic band on a permanent basis, he would have achieved (even) more.


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Posted by:

Steve

Quizz time for Bill ( and anyone else who knows the Toronto music scene of the late 60's). Bill, my man, who introduced Getty Lee to Alex Zivojinovic( AKA Alex Lifeson)in 68 when Lee was looking for a guitar player to play with? Hint; After forming that rush he went on to be involved in many of his own.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Chuck Berry often used local bands when he toured. Management would scour the area to find out which bands were worthy enough to play with Chuck. You had to know how to play his songs - he didn't rehearse with you or socialize much. He'd come on stage, count out the beat and you'd better know what to do. I recall "The Boss" telling a similar tale a while back.

Chuck has the rep for being a prickly SOB and unless he was making money, he wasn't wasting time rehearsing a whole lot with folks. I think as long as you could play along that was fine. You couldn't shine to bright on stage lest he took it as an insult and you might catch his wrath for trying to show him up. With musicians he respected it probably was different.

I saw Chuck Berry play at a private affair. Greg Allman was on keys, Rick Derringer was on guitar and Roger Glover of Deep Purple was on Bass and I can't recall the drummer. He came out while the band was playing a riff. The crowd went nuts. He got into his opening song (long since forgotten) and played half before walking off the stage in disgust. It came to pass that he didn't like all the camera flashes going off and if it didn't stop he wasn't coming back out. It was about a 20 minute wait. HE came back out, the crowd was somber but by the end of the night the place was roaring. He jammed, they all jammed and soon enough it was like nothing had happened at all. Aside form the "moment" it was a great show.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: Amos doing "La Juanda" in Japan in '07

Not as enjoyable as his '70s versions (stage and record), but those aren't on the internet that I can see.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Bob Seger does a very good take on You Never Can Tell.....legend has it that Robbie in the early Yonge Street days was one of the few players who had just the right bite to his playing to give the Chuck songs the proper umph!

dlew: Good seeing you around too.....wonder whatever happenned to the Plochman Lane team?


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Peter V

You're right, Bill. Last time we discussed this i'm sure I voted for Geoff & Maria Muldaur's Havana Moon (from Sweet Potatoes) as a superior Chuck Berry cover. Amos Garrett features on it.

Elephant's Memory were pretty terrible on that Memphis, but I can think of seeing Savoy Brown, The Groundhogs and others backing visiting Americans with the same relentless simple-bass driven boogie. They'd have been OK on the British college circuit. There were a dozen blues bands that bad!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Nadine, No Particular Place To Go, You Never Can Tell (C’est la vie say the old folks) and The Promised Land were consecutive singles, all issued after he came out of jail and all Top 30 British Hits. No Particular Place To Go got to number three. The time behind bars (learning poetry by heart, according to the interview with Robbie Robertson) built up a creative head of steam, because all four lyrics are among his best, which is saying something.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: John & Yoko, Chuck & Elephant's

The group backing up John & Yoko with Chuck Berry in that clip was Elephant's Memory. They were working with John & Yoko at the time on other projects and tagged along for the week-long appearance on Mike Douglas' afternoon variety/talk show. The fact that the group sounded like nothing more than a ragged pick-up band had many of us scratching our heads back then. Of all the great musicians who would have played with John Lennon at the drop of a hat, he chose to work with Elephant's Memory instead, much to the chagrin of almost everyone at the time. C'est la vie.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I'd say that not all that much by anybody comes close to being as good as either of the first two Lennon albums.

Kevin J: Thanks for the Chuck n' John clip. If you want to know how Chuck felt about Yoko's intervention (which is more exciting than the rest of the performance, by the way), look at his eyes at about 1:19. About a minute later the camera shows Yoko moving her mouth in front of the mike again, but by that time they must have turned it off. Would the musicians be Elephant's Memory?

Peter V: My favourite cover of a Chuck Berry tune is Amos Garrett doing "La Juanda" (sp?) - "I speak only the language of English, I don't understand Espagnol".


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Posted by:

Stevie

Subject: Colored Blind

Brien, you do understand my "hairy racist" was in reference to Kevin's story about Elvis. I wondered too about the context of the comment attributed to Elvis. In the interview with, Diana Krall, Elvis' much better half, she mentioned playing at the White House after the Grammy award she received a few years back with their friend Stevie Wonder. Maybe Stevie hasn't seen the story.


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Posted by:

Roger

Subject: Mark Knopfler tickets - Europe 2010

Mark Knopfler has a new album out this month. He's touring next summer and UK tickets go on sale shortly. Venues include Bournemouth and Birmingham. Pre-sales for those signed up to 'the official community of Mark Knopfler' go on sale tomorrow at 1.00. I've already got tickets for the Albert Hall next June so may give tomorrow's pre-sale a miss. Last time I saw him it was an outstanding gig.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: amicus curiae

Re: Elvis Costello's alleged racism: consider that he's written at least a couple of songs that (perhaps cryptically) challenge the neofascists - "Less Than Zero" and "Night Rally."

Chuck Berry? I'm taking "C'est La Vie" to the island . . . such a clear little story, all in primary colours, and so weird somehow.

"It was there where Pierre . . . ."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Chuck

I thought Chuck sounded a trifle “uncomitted” myself. Yoko was awful. John so-so. The bass player was exactly what I complained about everytime one of these old blues / rock guys played with a “white” (if I may be racist) pick up band. Just go back and listen to the wonderful bass playing by Willie Dixon on the original Memphis. There’s no mindless boogie there at all. There are those delightful “swoops” along the strings. I went straight to compare it, and an hour of Chuck Berry later, I’ve emerged.

One of my favourites is Talkin’ About You, with another wonderful bass part, except it’s noted on the box set as “bass – unknown.” I used to watch Zoot Money live and his bass player reproduced it (and Memphis) exactly.

I’d disagree that no performer comes out looking good next to him, because I remember the My Ding-A-Ling years. I started thinking … we discussed this before … is there a Chuck Berry cover version as good as the original? The Rolling Stones are the prime candidates, and I would have said Come On, but I just played Chuck’s next to it and I’ll go for Chuck. The Band on The Promised Land was another quick comparison. Points to Chuck there too. All in all, The Rolling Stones covered him best, with points for The Beach Boys and Beatles. Buddy Holly’s Brown Eyed Handsome Man is a possible.

I’ve spent many years trying to decide which Chuck Berry song would go on my Desert Island Top Ten. It alternates between Nadine and No Particular Place To Go, but sometimes Talkin’ About you, Come On and Memphis compete. I think Nadine for the lyric. Then there’s the vocal interpretation on No Particular Place to Go … “Can you imagine the way I felt?” Dunno.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I wouldn't know Elvis Costello if I ran into him and only care for a few songs of his but as for him being a racist - I don't think many of us would like to have youthful indiscretions hung around our necks like scarlett letters for the rest of your life. As Peter pointed out, the culture of that time was to say outlandish stuff. We have no idea the context of the conversation.

As a case in point example. Spike Lee (after making Malcolm X) went on speaking tour. He was quoted in the paper as saying some fairly racist stuff. As a columnist at the time, I was amped to hear this stuff live, question it and then rip into it. When I did hear him speak, he repeated what he had said from the papers, but what the papers quoted was not the context in which he spoke. His points were expressed with eloquence, passion and an understanding that folks wouldn't agree with him. He expressed points that weren't popular and admitted that they may come off racist but his intent wasn't. He gave his 'history' to the thought process. I walked away thinking, wow.., I can respect what he said, though I didn't agree with all his points and some points I didn't agree with, I could understand why he felt a certain way because of the context in which he explained himself.

from that time forward (this was early in my media days) I've learned to temper my reactions to what is said on tv and written in papers. So to now label EC the hairy racist based on a comment in 1979 having no way to really judge if he was saying it to be outlandish and not knowing the culture of punk Britain at that time, is, to me, a bit foolish. Besides, is forgiveness only worthy to those we deem worthy of it?


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, Chuck was great, John's vocal less so and Yoko, well there's no words to describe whatever the fuck that was she was doing.

Chuck is splendid and since you qualified your comment with "rock star" it eliminates the 20th century's most talented and creative musician, Lewis Armstrong, from the competition.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Standing In the Shadows of Woodstock

Roger: My guess is that, since Wadleigh's team was filming The Band on the sly (see my post yesterday), they were limited to shooting from a distance off-stage. Since Garth was on piano for "The Weight", Richard was probably in the back behind Garth's organ/keyboard set-up. As a further consequence of The Band's refusal to grant film rights, added lighting for cameras wasn't used.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Dirt Farmer

Simon, just think how proud you and the other guys down at the forensics table at the pub were the first time you heard Elvis singing about, "Watching The Detectives". Mystery solved.


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: UK

Subject: Woodstock - the missing sections

I posted the following in the GB on May 6th 1998:

I caught Woodstock on cable TV in Kathmandu over Easter. I was surprised to find The Band's piece being played. (The Weight - following 10 Years After's performance). A good (in the context of live music at Woodstock)performance of The Weight - but no sign of Richard. What's the story?

Eleven years later - no change.


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Posted by:

Simon

Steve, I still can't figure out your point re. "the NAME of the album" -- which album and what about the name? And I didn't know you're a farmer. Were you talking about the title of Levon's album or Robbie's?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: And before I forget...

Hi Kevin J: great to see you.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Nobody better than Chuck Berry

The above link is a clip of John Lennon and Chuck Berry performing together……The wild part is Yoko doing her B52 vocal styling’s years before the B52’s were even formed……..Chuck blew a fuse over Etta James doing one of his songs years later so I can only imagine his thoughts on Yoko’s contributions to this one!! A point really stands out watching this: There has never been a better rock star than Chuck Berry and no performer comes out looking as good when standing next to him…..Even Elvis at his peak would have been dwarfed.


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Posted by:

Steve

Thanks Joan for the link to the Jones story. I heard about the renewed interest in the death yesterday on the radio but the background in the article you posted was welcome.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, funny you should mention Tyson. Another segment of the Q show today was a rerun of an interview with the director of, Tyson, the movie.

Mike actually comes off as a rather reflective guy according to the director, whose name escapes me at the moment.

After watching the movie for the first time, Mike, sat there for about 5 minutes then said, man my life is a Greek tragedy, unfortunately it's my life.

He said that during his boxing career he could never understand why people kept saying he was so ferocious and menacing but after watching the movie he understood.

Interestingly, he also says that as a kid he was short, fat and constantly in fear because older kids bullied him.

Double fantasy isn't as good as John Lennon\Plastic Ono Band in my opinion. Not even close.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Dunno - still seems difficult. As your work gives you easy access to a film crew, why not take the missus down to harbour's edge and give it a try? Be sure to post the video!


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: If less is more, is more sometimes less?

Apart from changing his perspective in songwriting, Robbie has certainly used a lot of different supporting musicians on all his solo recordings. Particularly on his first two efforts, I'm among those who felt he tended to get buried beneath too many layers in the mix.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Steve: Remember Mike Tyson being on David Letterman early in his career……David said something like “Gee Mike you’re sure fighting a lot….every two weeks!......Tyson responded in that high pitch voice “No…it’s not too bad - we’re just fighting twice a month or so!”

What a half decade Lennon took off….1975 to 1980…..disco and punk essentially came and went….Dylan’s Christianity came and went on vinyl at least…..it was a good move to be on the sidelines for someone of Lennon’s stature. Imagine if he had been pulled into a studio in 78 and encouraged to do a disco flavoured little ditty like heavyweights Stones and Rod Stewart had….baking bread and being a good dad was better…..As much as I loved Lennon….there is no more than one song on Double Fantasy that would have made it onto a Beatles Album, In fact no more than two songs would even have made the first two Oasis albums…..Broken Arrow…..Sonny Got Caught by the Moonlight and Somewhere Down the Crazy River would have found a place on all but one Band Album…..


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Posted by:

Peter V

My strong assumption is that if a singer is sitting in a rowboat, while rowing, and "singing", then they will be miming.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Thanks for adding the new detail that Levon was not just sitting in a beached rowboat, but pretending to row while singing. That can't be easy, singing in tune and on time while trying to look like you're exerting yourself when you're really just riffling the oars through the air really really slowly. Plus trying to keep a straight face 'cause you're facing not just a bunch of bozos with cameras and boom mikes, but two guys specially employed to hold the row boat in place - PLUS the green-faced other half with fear in one eye and anger in the other.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: For Friend0

I listened to an interview on Q today with Diana Krall, wife of that hairy racist. At one point in the interview they played a song recorded live at a show she did in Boston in the late 80's at a piano bar. When the song ended she said'" When the song started I thought what beautiful sound and then thought , of course it's analogue.

Kevin, half a decade sounds soooo much longer than 5 years don't you think?

Bill, to finish up on Barney while I still have the book wedged open on my desk I have to remind you of his take on the lyrics of Crazy River;" Even the hit single' Somewhere Down The Crazy River', which went back in time to the fascination the South had exerted on Robbie as a teenager, was more like a storyboard for a Southern Comfort commercial than a real song". OUCH!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

can't agree about Double Fantasy being a bigger departure than his Beatle work. I could say some of John's initial forays were a departure because there seemed to be a lot more edge, but Double Fantasy (aside from Yoko's experimental stuff) is a very pop oriented album - much more in line with many Beatle efforts and closer to Paul's initial stylings than his own earlier ones. Robbie's stuff hardly has a scant of a Band sound or Dylan sound or Hawkins sound..., it was a big turn in the road as far as what I believe people were envisioning Robbie to put out.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Brian Jones

The police are reopening their investigation into the death of Brian Jones. It was originally ruled an accident.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: I remember catching the show on tv while in an Ottawa hotel room – mid 80’s I would guess. Levon did Acadian Driftwood dressed in period garb…..my memory was that he was rowing around but it probably was a set as you point out……..I also remember MM did a song about Canada not being “cabinet ministers sitting in the Rideau club but rather “above the tree line”…it caught my attention at the time and I have never heard it since…..some are no doubt howling as this is probably a popular MM song but other than seeing him live a few times I don’t possess any of his recordings…

Lennon’s Double Fantasy was an even more jarring departure from his band roots than Robbie’s solo was….anyone remember hearing the lead-off single “Starting Over” for the first time after not hearing a peep from him for half a decade? I was dating a new wave girl at the time and I may have been the only person I knew who was not allowed to lift the needle on the Yoko tracks….she thought them superior to the John Lennon ones….


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Posted by:

Bill M

BEG was reciting Murray McLauchlan's great "Down By The Henry Moore", likely best known to many here via the BARK version.

Kevin J: I too have looked in vain for a clip of Levon appearing on McLauchlan's TV show. But I don't think it was a special; rather it was just one episode of a series in which McLauchlan, a pilot as well as a successful singer/songwriter, would fly his plane to some part of Canada and showcase some local or locally relevant performer. I was out of the country when the show ran so didn't even know of it until I read they guy's autobiography, which added the amusing detail that Levon sang "Acadian Driftwood" while sitting at the front of a beached rowboat. Viewers wouldn't've known that it was beached, but apparently Mrs Helm, in the boat too, was deathly afraid of water. There must be a song in there somewhere ...

However drunk the non-skating non-American Elvis was, surely he would have recognised that if you want to be sure to offend someone you've just met, you don't say something nasty about some third party who, for all you know, the second party can't stand.

I didn't take to Robbie's first album that much at first, but have come around to liking most of it. Perhaps I was expecting more of a Band sound, but in retrospect that makes little sense. He sang just two songs with the Band, and "Out Of The Blue" was clearly written with Richard's voice in mind, so why should I have expected it to be another Band album? I still don't care for the second album, but love "Native Americans" and "Red Boy".


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Caught in the Devil's Bargain...(revisited)

At the outset, before performing at Woodstock, The Band reportedly made it clear that they did not want their set filmed and threatened to stop playing if any camera crews stepped onto the stage. Michael Wadleigh's film team still managed to get footage of their performance, presumedly surreptitously. While the complete audio of their set has surfaced, the question remains as to the quality of the existing video footage. I believe the only footage that's been released is a badly edited version of "The Weight" which was included on Warner's Lost Performances video in 1991.

The group's refusal to be included in the original film & soundtrack album, over the years, has been attributed to Albert Grossman's decision, based upon an inadequate amount of compensation for future film rights.

A copy of Santana's musician's union contract has circulated and shows that they were paid $1500 plus $750 for film rights for each of the six members of the group. The contract has contains the following language, "maximum time to be used for film is THREE (3) MINUTES in any and all entertainment medias." A copy of The Who's contract with the Premier Talent agency has also surfaced and it shows that the group was paid $12,500, with no mention of film rights.

In 2001 the estate of the late Eric Blackstead, a producer for the Woodstock film & soundtrack, sold the multi-track audio tapes of the concert performances in a auction. The detailed description, with a complete listing of all taped performances, indicated that The Band's set was sourced from the soundboard.


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Posted by:

Ernie Banks

I'm willin' to wager it was Rob Royal(T)Robertson who squashed the deal.

And someday you will queue up and pay his price.

"You might like it now but you'll learn to love it later."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Get Ourselves Back to the Garden

The original report said that the box set producer had heard the Woodstock tapes from Robbie, so it seemed likely that Robbie was interested / in favour. Listening to the three officially released tracks, they are better than most Woodstock stuff, and it's hard to tell because Isle of Wight boots are terrible quality, but probably they played better than at the Isle of Wight a couple of weeks later. As three were already on the last extended Woodstock box set (25th? Anniversary), there wasn't much point in trying to "hide" the performances anyway. I would have thought it came down to either money (as I said, on these sort of things "insulting" offers are not uncommon) or awkwardness.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Not Stevie Nix, of course...

Subject: Who nixed the Band? or who Banded the Nix?

It was interesting: I'd have said that Levon did it, based on what I'd misread here (and from all accounts, whoever did say it was right.) Garth, of course is a possibility, but certainly it could have easily have been Robbie...


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Good to See The Blood's Up In The GB

Simon, sorry, Intrigued, as I farmer I tip my hat to any mention. Nothing more.

Deb, my point was Peter pointed out that Barney's opinion of Robbie went negative after being dumped from the remaster credits, the book seemed rather critical and it was long before the remasters. Yes, the book has negative things to say about everyone from time to time save Garth as I remember it. I don't howl, and my posts never are inspired by indignation. Indignation, I say!

Kevin, bearded racists, unless the beard is growing out their ears or their comments are based on racism probably have as good a chance of making a credible critic of an album as a clean non racist.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Little Feat, Woodstock, Elvis & Bonnie.

Another Uncut quote (same issue). Allan Jones on Little Feat in 1976. Bill Payne is quoted as saying little Feat formed with the ambition of being “a tougher version of The Band.”

Woodstock. I reckon when it was said a week ago that “a member of The Band” had nixed participation in the Woodstock 40 box set, nearly everyone assumed it was Levon. We don’t know, as I said at the time, the money on offer might have been genuinely insulting and it might have been a strongarm “Take it or leave it.” On the other hand, it could have been good for back catalogue sales and general publicity. You just wonder whether Garth (for example) would have been consulted on this rejection of the appearance of Band tracks.

The Ray Charles quotes on the Costello / Bramlett contretemps are the only adult ones. “Drunken talk isn’t meant to be printed on paper” and “I don’t care as long as he buys my album.” Thirty years ago, in 1979 a new wave British band is in a bar. Where these guys had got noticed in England was by being shocking at every turn. You say something, and whatever it is they’ll top it. Bramlett was drunk and attempting to crawl all over Costello who was trying to ward her off by being offensive, and was paralytically drunk too. Saying something deliberately offensive and way over the top would have been standard fare in London or Ireland. Costello got the measure in America totally wrong.

Where he suffers, is however much he denies it, there always lingers the suspicion that a racist comment in drink is a revelation of the inner feeling. He claims it was a deliberate attempt to offend Bramlett and Stills whose theme was that he was crap in comparison to a long list of American singers, and that Bramlett, her career in decline, deliberately blew it up to the press to attract publicity. None of them emerge with honour.


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Posted by:

Simon

"Then there is the NAME of the album"

Call me intrigued.

Didn't see much (any?) follow up on Levon nixing the The Band for the Woodstock DVD thing.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Steve: Your 4th paragraph is my point…..and since I don’t like arguing with myself I will leave it at that……as to a Grammy count…you really don’t want to go there do ya?........as to Elvis Costello….bless his secret little rock critics heart as by 1987 he was busy growing his beard and making music that was as far away as the great stuff he did with his attractions as was possible…….remember that this is a guy who once called Ray Charles a ‘blind, ignorant nigger”……sorry but all the schlocky sucking up you do the rest of your life does not get you off the hook from that one…….


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Posted by:

Deb

Steve, Hoskyns actually had critical observations to make about four out of five members of The Band. Some of his comments about Levon were just as negative as the ones you quoted, but I won't post them here as I don't see the point in putting them out on the GB. I can't recall anything negative about Garth. He also said good things about each one of them.

I wouldn't brag on the title of Dirt Farmer -- it's taken from a song mistakenly credited as traditional but actually written by Tracy Schwartz. Anyone can make a mistake, as Mr. Schwartz has graciously acknowledged, but I can just hear your howls of indignation if another former Band member had made that error.

I like Dirt Farmer just fine, but American Son remains my favorite of Levon's solo work. And I'd have to say that DF and Electric Dirt benefit as much from Larry Campbell's participation as any of Robbie's solo albums have from other artists. You make it sound as if Levon sat on a stump with a mandolin and recorded it himself. That doesn't take a thing away from Levon or the quality of the albums. Artists collaborate. What's wrong with that?


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, Barney did go further than point out the different sound from the Band and didn't criticized it solely for that but rather that it sounded more like a Peter Gabrielle album, wait , no that was Elvis Costello who said that, Barney pointed to the album as an example of the high point of 1980's over production.

Actually what started this thread was Peter comparing Levon's Dirt farmer with the 3 first Robbie albums and finishing the point off alluding to Levon not writing much of the album ( certainly true) and that Barney had started making nasty about Robbie after being dumped from the remasters .

When I read ATGD I'd been left with the feeling that Barney had bad mouthed Robbie a fair amount in it, which was years before the remasters.

Also, while Levon made only a small contribution to the writing on Dirt Farmer the album sounded more like a Levon album, he sings the songs, there was a lot of Levon's musical experience and sound represented in the album. It is Levon, regardless of his writing contribution. It could be argued that several others had as much claim to Robbie Robertson as Robbie did.

Then there was the financial success or lack of for each album( Jersey G, objection noted).

Then there is that Grammy on Levon's shelf from Dirt Farmer. Then there is the NAME of the album. And then and then and then...........


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Brien.....good fun!...I had not seen this....if this doesn't bring bob w out of hibernation - nothing will....


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

How about a Bass Duet on one Bass - see link.., Beck continued


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I walked down to Kensington Market (last week actually)

Bought me a fish to fry

I went to the Silver Dollar (saw Levon Helm and The Barn Burners and met three Road Warriors)

Looked a stranger in the eye

A friend of mine says

That he don't think this town's so out of sight

But he's got shades 'round his soul

And he thinks he's seen the light

Singin' don't you want to keep on moving

Don't you want to get undone

Don't you want to change from losing

Don't you want to have some fun

I went down to the Palm Grove

I was jumpin' around the room

I was wearing my sneakers down (New Balance)

And castin' away my gloom

This fat girl come up and grabbed me

She sat me on her knee

She said you wrote that Farmer's Song

And she spilled a drink on me

Singin' don't you want to keep on moving

Don't you want to get undone

Don't you want to change from losing

Don't you want to have some fun

I went down to the Henry Moore

Skated all in the Square

The moon above my shoulder

And the ice was in my hair

Alone but never lonely

That's how I like to be

If you want to have fun

Like a rock'n roll bum

Don't think the worst of me

Singin' don't you want to keep on moving

Don't you want to get undone

Don't you want to change from losing

Don't you want to have some fun



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Beck & Page

I was looking for a clip of Levon Helm doing Acadian Driftwood on a Murray Mclauglin CBC tv special called Flying Over Canada ( fyi - a very sexy Buffy St. Marie also appears ) and ended up with Jeff Beck at the RRHOF - might have been posted before but always worth an encore.........


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I remember being very into the Robbie first solo record. I can't remember if I was expecting a 'Band' sounding effort but I know I liked what I heard. As someone who writes, directs and photographs, I know, understand and appreciate that some artist's have to be ever evolving even if it means turning away at what made you successful. RR's effort, was a great departure from the Band. That first solo outing was very textured - too textured for some to the point where it seemed the soul of the songs got buried in the technology of mixing - I could see that point but didn't agree with it. I think all the songs have great energy to them, whether that is expressed in a mellow groove or driving beat. As with any really good album, different songs would rise and fall as favorites over the years. In the last year, I've tended to listen more to RedBoy than the others but I think that may have to change shortly.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Test...

...again after a little cleaning and blocking.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Hoskyns

A follow-up on Hoskyns and the reaction to the Robbie Robertson album in 1987……….Fallen Angel was the song that told you a lot about where people were coming from…it seemed to divide many into camps that were quite predictable. 10 or 12 years was a long time to be away (disco, punk, new wave had all lived and died in that time) and many people were hoping for something that sounded just like the Band. I still remember exactly where I was when hearing the lead off single “Showdown at Big Sky” and being floored. It did not sound anything like the Band or anything else on the radio at the time ( Tears for Fears and U2 24 hrs a day as I recall )…..Showdown was brilliant but not like the Band….Great but I knew others would not see it that way. As it turned out, just about everyone I knew who was really a Band fan was lukewarm to the album whereas everyone else – loved it. The lukewarm crowd all pointed to Fallen Angel noting how it sounded like the Band….blah, blah, blah…. Hoskyns’ reaction was predictable and convenient because it was an easy argument to make – the sound is not there - something is missing, etc…………..No kidding and obvious support for why the Band might be the best ensemble ever in this crazy little thing called rock music….the point that’s missed is that it should have nothing whatsoever to do with how a collection of new songs are reviewed………..David Gilmour was the sound of Floyd and the albums with outside songwriters post Roger Waters proves this……George Harrison solo sound more Beatles than John Lennon…………If asked in 1978 who was most responsible for the sound of The Band I would never have answered Levon Helm……but 10 or 12 years ago I was sitting at home one night watching the Country Music channel and to my horror – that pony tailed moron known as Steven Seagal is fronting a band…….shockingly I think to myself that they sound very much like The Band ( quick review of the substances I have taken that day reveals I am more or less straight! )…..the camera pans back and more shocking - Levon Helm is playing drums!!!! Writing songs and establishing a sound are two very different things. John Lennon never sounded quite the same surrounded by the studio superstars…….


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Posted by:

David P.

Bill M: Don't know about TRO. Jan's singles discography section cites info from Goldmine magazine. Maybe if the "From Bacon Fat To Judgment Day" box set ever gets released some of these details will be cleared up.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Thanks for the Eddie Heller info. Was TRO his company, or somebody else? What's the Goldmine info you're referring to? Perhaps the same Rob Bowman article that Hoskyns relied on for the true facts about the Canadian Squires record?


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Posted by:

David P.

Bill M: You're correct, but there's seems to be some confusion. In Jan's discography section, the photo of the ATCO single's label shows "A TRO Production / Supervised by Eddie Heller", whereas the Goldmine(?) info lists "produced by Henry Glover, engineered by Phil Ramone". Mr. Heller is best known for his own, small Rainbow Records label, which launched the careers of the Clovers and The Five Crowns (who later evolved into the Drifters).


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Did Glover do the Atco recordings? The label credits Eddie Heller (who he?) with production supervision. Glover did produce that Canadian Squires record, though, and released it on his own Ware label.


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Posted by:

David P.

Whether or not they were doing much session work at the time, Levon and the Hawks did cut three sides of their own for Atlantic's subsidiary ATCO label in 1965. With Henry Glover producing, they recorded "The Stones I Throw", "He Don't Love You" and "Go Go Liza Jane".


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: To clarify, it's Hoskyns' opinions I was questioning, not his historical accuracy. The one factual error that glares in my mind (not that it's a significant one) was his repetition of a record-dating error first put into print by the same Rob Bowman whose liner notes ousted Barney's a couple of years later. (Bowman did acknowledge the error in those notes, for the Band history box set, by the way.)


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Another Great Divide

Bill, Peter, could you guys get together and come up with an agreement on how much weight should be put on Barney's version of The Band. You both have much deeper background than I ever will but I'd like to know how much credence to lend ATGD.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I don’t like Hell’s Half Acre and Testimony much either. Five great songs on mid-80s album is as much as you can expct, and Storyville is laden with great songs too. I picked up Jim Pepper’s famous “Native American” 45 Witchi Tia To out of interest when I saw it recently. Robbie’s Music For “The Native Americans” wipes the floor with it. A different league altogether.

Red Bird: I’m still interested in the throwaway statement that The Hawks were “doing session work” for Red Bird. Hammond, who invited them as an aquaintance, is not really “session work” but provides the intro to Red Bird. At this time, they did session work for The Barbarians. Tantalising … did Shadow Morton employ their services? Pity Bumbles isn’t around. I would say that The Shangri-Las and The Dixie Cups had far higher “rock snob cred” than John Hammond Jnr.

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