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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, January 2010


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Subject: Levon wins again!

Barbara O'Brien & The Chief announced on their "facebook" pgs that Levon won again!


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Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: Gifts From BEG

Many many thanks BEG!


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Posted by:

The Village Green preservation society

Bayou Sam from NY wrote:

"Nice clips of RR live. And his microphone seems to be on too :-)"

Unfortunately, yes. I just watched one of the vids posted, some stiff, unfunky, i-cant-sing-so-i'll-talk shite without tune or melody and full of those poser lyrics from 20 years ago. Yuch.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Jim Byrnes: My Walking Stick

You're very welcome Joe J. I too couldn't, and still can't, stop playing this CD. When it first came out Jim (and some of the critics) claimed it was better than his previous CD, the Juno-winning "House of Refuge", which I praised here in the GB almost to the point of making myself look silly, of which as you know, I'm highly sensitive.

Anyway, I was skeptical of Jim's claim, thinking it to be merely hype (riding on the success of the previous CD kind of thing). And when I saw he was covering The Band's "Ophelia" on it I thought "big mistake, don't go there".

But "Ophelia"s brilliantly done with its alternating slow and up-tempo passages. It achieves the difficult balance of being true to the original yet bringing something new and worthwhile to it. The slow passages are very poignant. This album covers an amazing range of Americana/American forms and tunes, almost all done equally well (nary a clunker, final cut maybe). I know what you mean when you say you have a different fave every day.

This album came out about the same time as Levon's "Eclectic Dirt", which is a four out of five and not quite as good as "Dirt Farmer", as Peter V. said. But "My Walking Stick" to a large extent kept Levon and a lot of other good music out of my rotation till just a while back.

There's also one other GBer enjoying this album as much as we do Joe, and I know Peter V. has and thinks highly of "House of Refuge", especially the lead-off cut"Didn't It Rain". So I think I'm now officially ahead of Bill M.'s total number of Fred Eaglesmith/"Tinderbox" converts. And soon I'll be closing in on Stevon Farm and his total # of BARK converts. NB.

PS. I really enjoyed Neil with Dave Matthews on the Haiti Relief show. Neil's looking old but sounds as Young as ever.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....one more Bayou Sam! "Skinwalker" live.


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Posted by:

Deb

Hi, Bayou Sam! Good to see you here.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Juliet Naked

My wife had this book out from the library and thought I should read it. Quite enjoyable although the whole fan / internet fan club thing might be a little close to the bone. I did wonder about the scene on the beach where Tucker says " Hi - I'm Tucker Crowe" or perhaps "Hi - I'm Robbie Robertson"


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Nutjob, Before Steve makes this much worse...... latinA.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

Nice clips of RR live. And his microphone seems to be on too :-)


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Scandinavian Is All Greek To Me (Stevon Farm/ Ilkka, aka Moderator of the Former Nordic Countries

Never have I found myself as perplexified and stymified as I am with my current project, that of trying to learn to speak Scandinavian in my almost negligible spare time. With millions of Scandinavian people on the planet you'd think it would be a breeze to just pick up either a book, a cassette, or DVD that would enable you to learn how to speak Scandinavian.

But no, regardless of where I turn, whether it's to Berlitz or to The Rossetta Stone, I find there's strangely absolutely nothing available out there to assist me in expanding my linguistic resume through the acquisition of the beautiful Scandinavian language. (Steve, you may recall that presently, I am proudly totally bi-lingual in well over thirty completely different French words) .

Oh sure, you can easily access plenty of stuff for learning the languages of Swedish, Finnish, or Norwegian, but absolutely nada for people like me who want to learn how to speak Scandinavian as effluently as they now communicate in their own mother tongue.

I honestly haven't felt this level of frustration over learning a new language since way back in high school, when in order to converse and "get chummy" with all the hot Latino babes in our school, I embarked on the study of Latin for over three years.

To this very day I still haven't been able to put my finger on why that plan didn't exactly yield the huge dividends that I had anticipated. For some unfathomable reason, I got nothing more than blank stares in using my Latin to strike up conversations with all those hot Latino babes. However, I'm betting the school system maybe screwed up by teaching us some really useless, obscure dialect, or something. NB


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Posted by:

Pat B

PSB, on the Palladium boot, the radio announcer mentions that Chris Hillman opened the show. He also said that it was the first time the Band had played NY since the Dylan 74 tour.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and another....."Mahk Jchi"......and there's also "Coyote Dance" that can be found.

It's time to brace the cold outside....with the sun along for the ride. I can hear Cocburn's "The Coldest Night Of The Year" play in my head..


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Here's another one Serenity and Deee! Robbie live in Greece again! "It's A Good Day To Die".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Golden Feather"....Robbie Live....Many Thanks to Sandrakrogsgaard

"It's Robbie Robertson and the Red road ensemble, the recording is in Greece I think, broadcasted on Danish tv for a few years ago. The clips I got are from a friend, who took a copy from an videotape and put it on a dvd."

I gave my love a golden feather
I gave my love a heart of stone
And when you find a golden feather
It means you'll never lose your way back home


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bill M/ Carmen

Bill: Funny.

Carmen, thanks for that link to Cabin Dogs, and yes I agree, he does sound a bit like Rick.Its interesting that the are working with Aaron Hurwitz who had worked with Rick in later years.


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of brotherly love
Web: My link

Subject: Spectrum again

Pat, they called it the Spectrum theater, but I honestly do not remember that for any of the Band shows at the Spectrum. And I also don't remember any empty seats. For whatever reason they never played the much smaller Tower Theater which may still have been a movie theater at that point in time. As you well know, The Band did about one show a year in whatever cities they hit, and that playing Philly served for surrounding areas as well, South Jersey, Delaware etc. It's possible there was an opening act and I do remember seeing Souther, Hillman, Furay with someone somewhere along the line. I only went to the Spectrum to see the Bands I had to see, which was pretty much Dylan, The Band and Van, plus once for Dire Straits, a couple of times for Springsteen and Willie Nelson's first appearance here. But in the '70s, when The Band played Philly, it was always at the Spectrum.


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Posted by:

Steve

IIKKA, don't leave until you've had a chance to have a conversation in your Nordic language with Northern Boy. he's been practicing and is very fluid. It flows out of him at glacial speed.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Basement Rug and Kate McGarrigle. Also, Bobby Charles.....


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Credits?????????

Illka! You gawd damn loonie toon........I wrote that line awready in 1950.....so......lay off 'er I'll.....daffy duck


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Song writing credits. (One more for the road - bitterly.)

I wrote the chorus line "La la la la la la la la la..." in J. Robbie Robertson's "Where Do We Go From Here" (Cahoots). I sang it already in Kindergarten in 1954. Carl Perkins, for sure, was not even born then. I can remember it clearly. I haven't got a penny.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Del Shannon

Del Shannon is apparently due a revival … I noticed that one of those heavily promoted compilations was released this week.

Yes, morbid reading. In the UK, record collectors often look into "charity shops" in case they have any good secondhand vinyl. I'd noticed years ago that mental health charities have a far better quality of secondhand music and novels than "physical health" , "animals" or "world problems" charities. I don't know what conclusion you draw from that!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

2nd Annual All for The Hall New York Benefit and other photos of Levon Helm
NEW YORK - OCTOBER 15: (L-R) Musicians Jerry Douglas, Emmylou Harris, Vince Gill, Rodney Crowell, Levon Helm and Larry Campbell perform onstage at the 2nd Annual All for The Hall New York Benefit for the Country Music Hall of Fame & Museum at the Nokia Theater on October 15, 2008 in New York City.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Woodstock '94 in Saugerties, New York - August 1994
Garth Hudson, Rick Danko and Levon Helm of The Band


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks sadavid....I think....Here's a new photo from the same site of Robbie.

"Catch a Fire" P&E Wing Event
LOS ANGELES, CA - JANUARY 27: Robbie Robertson, Chris Blackwell (I remember from the CAF Doc that his favourite women were from Trinidad), Jerry Moss and Daniel Lanois attend the 'Catch a Fire' P&E Wing Event at The Villiage Studios on January 27, 2010 in Los Angeles, California.

Yes Bill M....The Tyson song is "Love Without End". Some reviewers didn't think much of that song.....I did.....Would you believe that I didn't recognize David Wilcox? I used to see him at Larry's Hideaway and The Gasworks.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Well, that was an interesting stroll down suicude lane, sadavid. Thanks. Had forgotten that Faron Young and Del Shannon went that route. And Martha Gelhorn. Made for a morbid (but interesting) trip.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Southside

Subject: My Walking Stick

Thanks a whole lot NB. I can't stop playing this CD. It helps that the Missus enjoys it as well so it's great for the car (the one just recalled ) too. Different favourite every time. Today it's 'Lonely Blue Boy'.



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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Woolf, Hemingway, Manuel

Richard is 11/26 in this _Life_ magazine photo gallery: "Writer and Musician Suicides."


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Posted by:

Carmen

Location: Duh

www.cabindogs.com


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Posted by:

carmen

Sorry that the link did not work. www.Checkout Cabindogs.com. Take a listen to Cheyenne and tell me if this doesn't sound like Rick.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I talked to a friend of mine from Philly, and he told me that the Spectrum could be reconfigured to accommodate different sized audiences. They would use a curtain to cut off part of the interior so that as little as half the place would be used. It makes much more sense to me that the Band would play to 6000-8000 in a big East Coast market rather than the full sized Spectrum which held 16,000.

The last "intimate" Band show in Chicago was the Arie Crown in 1971--about 4000 seats. After that it was the Chicago Stadium with Dylan (16,000) and Washington Race Track with Emmylou and Leo Kottke (outdoors, held a lot, but no sellout).


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joan: Based on the cold snap here I have to think you were indoors at the time. Or did you read Juliet during the summer?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Juliet Naked . Carmen

I read Juliet Naked. I must admit, it gave me pause (with a smile on my face) In its own was very logical

Carmen, your link didn't work.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hospitality

Well I just got back ashore last night. Mostly a good trip, but Wednesday afternoon and early evening I had to get myself across Queen Charlotte Strait. That gawd damn Sou'east came up to 45 knots and gave me a shit kicking again.....but...it's done.

This morning over coffee with Susan, we were watching "restaraunt makeover". We got to talking about places we had been in the USA. For me particularly, memories of a trip to Lake Tahoe brought this to mind.

Because of th habit of kicking the people of the US in the nuts all the time, I thought this was worth mentioning. The hospitality in the U.S. , (at least the places I have been) is remarkable. I have always had good food, and people who serve you always seem happy and go out of their way to give the best service possible. It seems to be something they pride themselves on. Being good hosts, serving good food and giving the best possible service.

The Food Network has many good shows, "Cooking Contests etc" that seem to bear this out.

Joe! you be careful watching those shows with the.....dancing girls swaying to and fro.... a guy could have a jammer!

Also for the subject you were discussing here, as well as "Okie From Muskogee", Merle has another "anti protest song" called "The Fightin' Side of Me."

I hear people talkin' bad about the way they have to live here in our country,

Talkin' 'bout the wars we fight and sayin' the way it ought to be.

Well if you don't love it leave it, let this song that I'm singin' be a warnin'

When you're runnin' down my country man you're walkin' on the fightin side of me..........


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Agree Jeff!...


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Good one, Lars!...


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Posted by:

Bill M

Rhythm J: Thanks for the BevHil info. I'll have to remembert that site for future reference.


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Posted by:

Carmen

Web: My link

Take a look at the Web Page. The group Cabin Dogs based out of Philadelphia is very much Band influenced. You can listen to their new CD in full. Here are a few press releases from their site. a gem of a recording....for those who revel in the laid-back ease of Rick Danko's material and San Francisco's early 70's heyday of Workingman's Dead ... Full of calibrated musical magic, Cabin Dogs look inward to find sturdy, shimmering compositional gold on Electric Cabin." ... more Honest Tune - July 2007 "Cabin Dogs succeed in crafting time-honored Americana tracks along the lines of The Band, Blue Rodeo and Wilco ... an interesting and consistently good release" ... more allmusic.com - April 2007


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Posted by:

Steve

That's true, of course, Jeff, but it would require an up tempo time signature.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Greatest theoretical concert ever, not featuring the Band...

Opening act: The Boss

Followed by: The Chairman of the Board

followed by: The King

MC'd by The Duke

It could have happened in late 1976, I think... (thouugh I don't think he was known as 'The Boss' then... The King died in 1977, and the Duke in 1977 or 1978...

Just a bit of seriously silly stuff.... Northern Boy will be back later for the professional standard silliness...


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Posted by:

Rod

Great pictures from Watt Casey. Rick and Robbie look so young.


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Posted by:

GregD

Very interesting pictures indeed by Watt Casey Jr. documenting one of the Band's final concerts. There appears to be a woman in the background playing the violin in at least one of the pictures. Richard has either a synth (or clavinet) mounted on his pianet. Pat B- I could be mistaken, but I thought that I read where Garth's CS-80 actually had its "coming out party" at the Last Waltz, so that would explain why he didn't have it in these pictures.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Band....October 30, 1976
SNL


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Fantasy Trade: Gordon Lightfoot for Neil Diamond,
The Last Waltz Canadian songwriter passed on the night-of invitation, much to this author's regret.
By Mike Seely
Published on August 21, 2007]

Turns out, Lightfoot was invited to play The Last Waltz—albeit too late, by his standards. "I was there as a spectator," says Lightfoot, reached by phone at his home in Ontario. "I was asked to do it, but I don't think I was prepared to do it at that time. I didn't feel I had the confidence to do it. Robbie [Robertson] came out before the show and asked me. I wish I had, but I just wasn't prepared."

"Yes, it was last minute and chaotic at The Last Waltz, but under other circumstances we would have loved to have [had] Lightfoot," recalls Robertson, confirming through a publicist that he did indeed extend a hasty invite to Lightfoot the night of the show. "He is one of my favorite Canadian songwriters and is absolutely a national treasure."


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Steve, Garth can and will move fast when the situation requires by his standards.



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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of brotherly love
Web: My link

Subject: Spectrum

Pat, except for 1968, when I believe they played the Academy of Music (I did not live here at the time, but recently was discussing this with the leader of America's number one and longest last western swing band who saw that show), every concert I saw The Band (meaning the original group) in Philly was at the Spectrum. They always played there, and with the exception of the Dylan '74 tour where of course they were co-billed always headlined, and did pretty well. I forget the capacity of the Spectrum (around 18,000 or maybe more), but they always did fairly well. It's possible that on the '76 tour someone else opened, but usually they were the only act. The head of Electric Factory Concerts, Larry Magid was and is a huge fan. When Levon played here two years ago, he introduced him which is something that rarely happens. Other than that, I can't remember all that much about that show except I knew it was near the end and wasn't surprised when the Last Waltz was announced not long after. Richard simply was not cutting it on-stage which as far as I'm concerned was always the reason for curtailing the group. Still it was The Band (with a horn section and Larry Packer on fiddle) and they were as good as could be under the circumstances. Other than that, David P. is right. It was Rick who broke his neck in '68.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginia

Subject: Speaking of Novels...

J.D. Salinger died today. My old faculty advisor from college had lunch with him once (long story). What a character, and what great characters he created. Too soon gone? Not really, but he won't soon be forgotten.

I saw an inspiring concert by Loudon Wainwright and his daughter Lucy last night. He's rightfully nominated for a Grammy for his Charlie Poole project and said he'd be attending the awards evening this weekend. I hope he wins (he's in a different category from Levon).


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Posted by:

Steve

Lars,I can't picture Garth moving fast, ever. It's not Garth. I'm sure assembling the sax starts on a certain note in the song and each piece is assembled like playing part of a musical score and is ready as you say without missing a beat.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I thought Juliet Naked was his best so far. Strong concept for a start. Funnier than the others too. I'm not especially a fan, thinking "31 Songs" was a dire book.


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Posted by:

Pat B

In various concerts, I've seen Garth play sax on Unfaithful Servant, WS Walcott, and IMND. On the Wembley DVD he did the opening Hard Times before Whistle Stop. Now the Hawks stuff is a different story,


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

I loved "High Fidelity" and "About A Boy". "Fever Pitch" was an interesting read as an English cousin of mine is an Arsenal fan, the same age as Hornby, so I imagine they've probably crossed paths. Didn't like "How To Be Good". "Juliet Naked", I got at Christmas and am about to start. How would any of you rank in comparison to the rest of his books? By the way, I enjoyed "High Fidelity" and "About A Boy" as films although in the latter, they didn't have the Kurt Kobain thread which was an important tie-in, in the book.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The suddenly colder woods of NY

Subject: Garth at the end of IMND

I never understood why Garth has to assemble his doggone sax while IMND is winding down. He always works along in a nonchalant manner until I feel myself watching impatiently and I begin to wonder if he's going to make it...but when the part comes Garth is standing there, sax to his lips, and he nails it...every time.


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Posted by:

Susan Conger

Location: His Past in Ridgewood, NJ
Web: My link

Subject: Looking for Bobby Gregg

I need to find Bobby! Bobby Gregg, played on Dylan's albums Bringing It All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited, was the first to take over the drum stool after Levon Helm left the Hawks in November 1965, while they were touring as Bob Dylan's band. He had quite an interesting career. He's played drums on all kinds of recordings; pop, rock, folk, folk-rock, jazz, etc. (including records by Paul Simon, Peter, Paul & Mary, and John Cale.) He's also been a producer and A&R man for CBS and Epic Records. Gregg produced Erma Franklin's "Abracadabra", Frank Hunter's "Song Of Mexico" and Richard "Popcorn" Wylie's "Do You Still Care For Me/Marlene. Bobby lived in my home when I was a child. Now, my 21 yr old daughter is very sick. To help pay for medicine and doctors Local bands hold an annual concert "Shannon Stock" to help. This year in May will be the 3rd. My friend who owns the Neighborhood theatre in Charlotte, NC said he'd donate a nite for the concert if I can get a headliner musician to play. I know Bobby would help. Last seen in Philadelphia...If anyone has seen him please ask him to contact me. Thanks..Sue


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Posted by:

Steve

Thanks, Pat, that's what I thought, I've never seen him play that little sax at any other time. I also thought it was IMND because both Robbie and Rick move to the same places on the stage, Rick back a couple of steps and Robbie to the front, as in TLW when Garth moves to the front to play .

It was funny listening to Kate McGarrigle in the 78 interview with Bob Boson. She mentions having to put Rufus, who was 5 at the time, in his room so she could play the piano for an hour everyday. He could play quite well for a 5 year old and would slide on to the bench and try and play along with her.


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Posted by:

horst schrader

Location: germany
Web: My link

Subject: new cover of The Weight

hello there in bandland. i´m singing in a band called HEARTLAND- been a fan of The Band for sooooo long and finally had the chance to be part of a tribute at the end of last year called WOODSTOCK 4o years ... knowing that the band had played "the weight" i suggested this song - well we rehearsed, asked some friends and here we are: recorded in UNNA germany december 2000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihyRhXsMK7s

hope you all like it best horst


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

According to the _Guardian_, Hornby's writing about "the . . . fortysomething male." Whew.

Based on the picture Google likes of Ms. Smith (see [My link]), I think it could well be she in photo #10, directly above Mr. Helm's head.

Can someone please tell me what the fiddle (or violin?) player is doing there?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Juliet Naked

For those that don't know about the book, the above link is a review........a great premise that was staring us all in the face for years.....no doubt that Nick H has looked in here......kinda like be drven to the library - no?


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Posted by:

Peter V

According to Ms. Smith, officially employed and paid by The Band in 1976 to "look after" Richard, Richard suffered a broken bone in the neck around the time of recording Big Pink.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, IMND is the only song I can recall where Garth used that weird soprano sax. It was part of the songlist on every boot of that final tour.

PSB, I've always been curious about that Spectrum show since it was such a big place. It seems odd that they would play an enormodome one night then the 2500 seat Palladium the next. Any info?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Juliet Naked

Jan, when I read Juliet Naked, I had cold chills down my spine and went and hid under a blanket for several hours. So you should worry. Or maybe "You should worry too."

It is, BTW, a brilliant novel. But i fear he might just have looked in here.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Juliet Naked

Some years ago while travelling I had a Chinese guide and she had a tape of music that played in the van…nothing very interesting but my ears did perk up when TNTDODD came on….the Joan Baez version of course…..anyhow, I explained to her about the band that wrote the song, the album, how great the original version was…..I think I may have even mentioned TLW...In my excitement, I did refrain from bringing up songwriting issues, the May 10 bruhaha or whether the guys in the band were actually happy or sad on one special night in Texas 35 years earlier.....anyhow, she listened and then looked at me and said in a very direct way… “I like this one”.....

Looking forward to reading Juliet Naked……J.D Salinger just died…


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I'm listening to a repeat of a 1978 interview on a CBC program called, The Entertainers. It's last week's,Mr Bob Boson, interviewing Kate and Anna. This was just weeks after Kate's less than amicable divorce from The Suicidal, Dead Skunk guy. Did The Band play It Makes no Difference at all their shows at the end of the 76 tour? Are the set lists available from the concerts in question?


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Posted by:

David P

It was Rick who suffered a broken neck & back injury in a car accident in 1968, shortly after the release of "Music From Big Pink". Did Richard also suffer an earlier injury? I certainly wouldn't trust Ms. Smith's medical expertise or memory.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Context

The other thing that just occurred to me is that the men in these photos are the same men in the Big Pink photo as well as the cover of the Brown album. The clothing may be a little different, but the portraits are not that far removed from these pictures. These guys could have fun and keep things light at times, but when it came to the music, I think they were pretty serious about it.

Also, I think outdoor concerts can be especially challenging for musicians. Especially considering the technology of the day.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

At 104 degrees Fahrenheit, I'd suppose that trying to stay hydrated trumps any worries about the possibilities of spilled drinks.

It's funny, when I first looked at the photos, I didn't get the impression or sense that anyone was glum or having a bad time. It looked more to me like a bunch of guys focused on the music. It did look like it was a hot day though. The thing that struck me the most, which I mentioned yesterday, was how young they all looked. Like they were still in their prime, and not two months away from packing it in.

The picture gets painted of these "road weary travelers", and I'm sure they had some hard days, but looking at these photos and thinking about how well they played on Saturday Night Live makes it appear to me that they still had a lot of life left in them, and were still musically at the top of their game. I know that Richard had some problems hitting the high notes from time to time, but the 1976 Band was still a force to be reckoned with.

The other thing to consider is that performance photography is harder than it looks. It's much easier to get a less than flattering photo of someone than not. The performer who can smile all the way through a performance is the exception, unless they're performing for the cameras, rather than the music. I've found over the years that you can get a good photo right after a song is finished rather than in the middle of singing.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Hornby's take on fan sites and know-it-alls

Just finished reading Nick Hornby's _Juliet, Naked_. Ouch. Hit a bit too close, that one. Puts all these years and the efforts invested here in an interesting perspective, though. We've read all his novels and most of the non-fiction, and enjoyed most of it. Long may he run.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cups and Organs

Garth obviously got more careful. At the Forum in London, while setting up, he was legitimately upset when Mercury Rev's confetti fell on his keyboard while they were testing it, and had a fair bit to say about delicate electronics.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Glum?

They are all soaked in sweat. Richard's shirt is stuck to him. You can see the sweat in Rick's chest. I think you are right Peter, they were just miseerable.


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Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Richard's boat injury

Peter- I think you've forgotten more about The Band than I'll ever know, but maybe the answer to the mysterious boating accident of September, 1976 lies in your Cathy Smith account. If Richard was up front during the rough boat ride out to their gig, that might have been enough to re-injure his neck, which he had hurt years earlier. Levon's account of Richard's injury is on page 252 of T.W.O.F.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Cups

Speaking of cups, Garth has one perched on an angled board sitting on top of one of his keyboards. I'm guessing that that could wreak some havoc if it spilled into the electronics. But hey....it's rock and roll. Gotta live on the edge a little!

Speaking of Garth, how did he keep those angled keyboards from falling. Were they just balanced there at that angle, or did he have some sort of fixture to secure them? I've seen them like that in other photos of Garth's rig. Have there been other keyboardists who perched them like that?


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Posted by:

Steve

My guess is that photos 6 to 11 were taken during Makes No Difference.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Austin. I looked up Cathy Smith as I remembered she mentioned it. She doesn’t describe it as a speedboat accident. I assume as Lake Travis is right by Austin, that it’s the same event.

“One of the stops on The Band’s final tour was Lake Travis, in Texas. To get out to the island where they were playing, The Band had to take a boat. It was an incredibly hot day. The thermomemeter in the marina registed 104 degrees and we all began to feel so faint we were given salt pills. Richard was so hot and hung over that he insisted on sitting at the prow of the boat so he could get the breeze. But the breeze had also made the lake choppy, so the boat was bouncing from one wave to another like a pickup bouncing down a washboard road, Miraculously, once on stage Richard performed as well as ever.”

She goes on to say that the next day they boarded an old Bluebird bus with no suspension. She continues:

After it had been shaking us around for half an hour, Richard gave a loud moan and said, For God’s sake, turn back. I’m dying.’ He was in agony.”

She explains that an old neck break from 1968 had been reactivated by the boat ride. That can happen, often quite small moves can seriously aggravate old injuries. So where did the ”accident” story come from? I’m not assuming that Ms. Smith is a paragon of truth, but there’s no gain from not telling it.

Anyway, 104 degrees and a bad ride out. Most of us would look gloomy.


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Posted by:

David P

That small amp, where the cups are perched, looks like it's just being used as a keyboard monitor for Richard. I would imagine that the Band road crew members respected their bosses' penchants regarding beverage placement and quickly cleaned up any spill as required.


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of brotherly love
Web: My link

Subject: Austin Pics

It was probably 100 degrees at least in Austin when those pics were taken. The Spectrum concert that year was not a festival kind of thing. The monitors don't look too big for the stage, and The Band did travel with their own grand piano. As I heard from someone way back, they had their own portable stage that would get rolled off a truck onto whatever stage they were playing.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Moods and variations

As Sadavid says they look heat stressed. Also I'd assume the photos were all taken in reasonably short succession, and who knows stuff can be going wrong for five minutes and everyone's tense, and ten minutes later, they're sailing. But they do look serious, if not somewhat glum to me.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I feel reassured about the amp, David. I never thought a paper cup would measurably affect sound. It was the thought of a crowded area and spilled liquid trickling into the circuits. At one period the plague of onstage equipment was keeping cups off amps, but those were nice hot glowing valve models and that little box there is, I assume, a "transistor" one. When I worked backstage in the late 60s the stage manager would have reacted with extreme and inexcusable foul language to anyone who left a cup of liquid on an amplifier.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Texas Gear

Rick is playing his Gibson Ripper bass through the Ampegs. Robbie has one of his customized Strats and was using Music Man amps at the time. Richard's cups are also resting atop a small Music Man amp. (Leo Fender co-founded that company in later years after selling Fender to CBS.) Not to worry -- placing cups or bottles on the amps doesn't really affect the sound enough to notice, unless close-mic'd in a studio setting. The rugged design of most amps helps keep spills away from electronics inside.

You also get a good look at Levon's hybrid drum kit, which includes the wood-rimmed snare (Ludwig?) that he favors.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Casey photo set

Mostly they look heat-stressed . . . a nice speedboat ride would seem just the ticket on a day like that . . . .

Photos 4 (out-of-focus) and 5 (in focus) show a fiddle-toting woman in sunhat, shades, and possibly an academic gown. Hmmn?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Austin photos in detail

My reading skills are going with age. I read Pat's post, misread "fretted" as "fretless" and spent five minutes trying to find a fretless bass to no avail, BUT it did make me look in far more detail and admire again the clarity and ambience. The precariously angled keyboards Garth has between the organ and other keyboards is unusual. I'm sure Pat and Rob the Organ will have been admiring the twin Lesleys, mounted high on travel cases. It made me think that the cases would have changed the sound unless they were very solid?

Did they travel with a grand piano? Surely they'd have hired it per gig? The monitors appear too large and pointing straight across the stage at them too, but if there were multiple bands they could be someone else's speakers just sitting there.

Richard's habit of keeping three cups of drink on top of the amplifier looks a recipe for sound problems too.

On the ambience, did anyone else think that none of them look particularly happy? Tired, yes. But no one seems to be expressing that they were having fun … and Levon, Rick and Robbie all look smiling or enthusiastic in other pictures.


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Posted by:

Pat B

There are an infinite number of nuggets in those new OQ photos. Hard to know where to start. First off, you can see a horn section in the background of some of them. That makes at least three shows in that last tour that included horns. Second, Garth isn't using the big Yamaha CS-80 synth, rather what looks like an RMI keyboard. I believe Richard is using some kind of 6-way pickup on his grand--the mixer is to his left. Rick is using a fretted bass, and it looks like he's still running it through an Ampeg head.

On another note, the group evidently did not headline their entire tour but picked up some of these massive festival dates to fill it out. The did headline LA, Chicago, and NY, but it was after this Austin date that Richard and Rick got hurt in the speedboat accident and a number of dates were canceled (I recall reading the number of cancellations was seven). Since the Austin show was September 5, the Philly Spectrum show was the 17th (probably another festival--multi group thing), the Palladium show was the 18th, and there was a Pittsburgh show after NY, what we're looking at is a remarkable documentation of one of the last OQ shows.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Nick

Nick- Do you have any old photos of The Band back in the day? It would be great to see them. The photos of The Hawks must be so old now that they're antiques: nearly a half century since those days. Thanks for that post.

Dylan and some other old rockers are going to rock Pres. Obama's world on Feb 12th. Looking forward to that telecast.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: For Bill M

From TV.com:

season 6, episode 5, 10/4/67

Robin Hood and the Sheriff

"Jethro is still playing Robin Hood in Griffith Park, along with Elly and Bessie, and the Clampetts are trying to get them back. But Jethro is finally getting his band of Merry Men, and women, after Buddy the hippie brings his friends from the Sunset Strip. While they are having fun, Jed, Granny, Drysdale, and Jane enter the woods to look for Jethro and Elly. Drysdale stays with the car and gets captured while Jed, Granny, and Jane are away. Jethro and his Merry Men make Drysdale join them. While he is changing into the clothes Jethro gave him, Jethro and the hippies head to the lake to get crawdads. As this happens, two police officers investigate what is going on. They first capture Drysdale, but then Granny after they think she is a hippie. At the lake, Jethro comes through with the crawdads, actual crawdads, and when the hippies see this, they think Jethro is too far out for them for smoking them. The hippies run away, and the police see them and let Granny go to chase them, since that is easier than holding onto the feisty Granny."


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Posted by:

Kevin J

The Watt Casey pictures really are sensational…..I especially like the ones taken from behind Garth looking down to what seems to be the bottom of a mountain below where the crowd was……it was a very hot day obviously…….I also believe Carol’s site mentions Fleetwood Mac were on the bill…..

dlew: Thanks….always great to see your posts


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Posted by:

Maggie Fox

Location: Seattle

Subject: Last Man Standing CD Song List

Song # 20. is listed as 'What Makes the Irish Heart Sing' It should read 'What Makes the Irish Heart Beat' Beautiful work on Twilight.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

BEG: I think the last song of the last segment is "the Road to Las Cruces". My favourite is the last song of the first segment, "Love Without End": "Maybe love without end is for god's eyes only". Both are on his second-last album, "Songs from the Gravel Road". As I posted a couple of months ago, the title song from the newest album, "Yellowhead to Yellowstone", is drive-off-the-road stunning. By the way, did you notice the Donovan-ish looking guy in the centre of the group photo from when they were talking about his comeback album, "Cowboyography"? That's Danny McBride, King Biscuit Boy's guitarist in the '70s, and then Chris de Burgh's guitarist for a decade or so after that.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Tyson video

Bill M and BEG, sadly the videos links tell me they are not available in my region. But the ad that precedes it shows. Figures, we get the commercial but not the show. Too bad it sounds great..


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Hi Bill M. I really enjoyed the special on Ian Tyson as well. I liked how he said that it's important "to honour the truth." It was his honesty as a person and as a man that really impressed me. How many people, let alone men......are aware that they never really knew their Mom even though she was always there? What is the name of the song he sings at the end? I want to download that one in particular. Crabgrass gave me a cassette from his show at Central Park honouring Canada one summer. Ahhhh.......cassettes! Anyway, Buddy Cage emailed and said he couldn't see the special in his region. Are others who live in the States experiencing the same thing?

I'm really enjoying seeing...The Band re the latest photos of Watt Casey Jr. as well. It's so important for those of us who weren't able to see all five of them perform to have photos and recordings of the time they shared together...and for their legacy! Robbie's hot! He's sweating like a....Let's hear it for the The Band! Hey! Is that Bill Avis wearing The Band T in one of the photos?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Tyson / Lightfoot

The Ian Tyson TV-biography that BEG pointed us to has some wonderful wonderful material. Ian and Sylvia back together and harmonising in a living room, Tyson and Lightfoot playing together, both looking their 70 years.


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Posted by:

Bill M

And the hair! I had similar at the time, but now my centre-part's six inches wide.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Photos

Nice photos. They do look quite young. Especially Rick in some of the photos.

Looking at those photos, it's hard to believe that they would be retiring in just a couple of months.


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Posted by:

Peter V

They are some of the best pictures I've seen of The Band … intimacy, technical quality, angles, expressions. Wonderful. My goodness, they all look so young!


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: gr8 pix!

Some really excellent 'new' photos from Watt Casey, Jr. on the "What's New" page.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Where have all the good times gone, by Barfe

Anyone read this - I'm about halfway hrough - excellent rundown of the rise and fall of the recording industry.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian Tyson "Songs From The Gravel Road"
Bravo Canada 6 Parts


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Posted by:

Nick Paolini

Location: Buffalo NY
Web: My link

Levon, I read your book and I enjoyed it very much. I grew up with Stan Szelest and went to St. Lawrence school with him. I actually saw his first concert on the stage at a school recitial for the parents. The nun introduced him as "little Stanley Szelest" and he will now play for you. I don't remember the piece he played, but he did it very well for 8 years old. Later when he formed Stan and the Ravens, all the nneighborhood guys were his best fans. I have several tapes of him at different venues around Buffalo. I was also at his funeral, sorry I missed you. In 1965 we hired Ronnie Hawkins to play for our Summer Party held on the shores of lake Erie in a giant open bar called "The Grandview Casino". The weather was about 90 degrees and they had no air conditioning. When we saw what the guys were wearing (suits and ties) we lent them all some of our summer gear (t-shirts and cut offs) one of our bigger guys had Ronnie's size so they all changed clothes. We have about a million pictures of that day. There were about 700 people there (including Stan and Sandy)We paid for the band and the band's bar bill....I think the bar bill was larger!! Hey, I don't know why you knocked the "The Last Waltz" in your book. You said it was Robbie's show. Watching the film I see that you got most of the on camera time (which you deserved) and Robbie was just doing backround vocals (with his turned off mike) with Rick and others. I think you were the star of the show, and the real leader of The Band. What the hell was Neil Diamond doing there??? Hope we can meet up some day, I've got a lot of Stan stories. Take care and good luck. - Nick Paolini


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Always good to see Kevin J.

Good to see you back, old mate.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Welcome back - and thanks for the nod.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Back in town after a few months on the road……a few points to comment on:

“It might get Loud”: Rented the dvd last night and was mildly disappointed……admired what the filmmaker was trying to do ( which was something other than a straight documentary about an instrument ) but thought that it just ended up playing more like the sort of shallow profiles you see regularly on music TV……..the good parts were just seeing Jimmy Page looking so great ( he just towers above the other two in every respect of the film ), the looks on the faces of Edge and Jack White when Page starts into Whole Lotta Love, a too brief discussion of strings found on the “extras” section, and a sloppy but still great to hear version of “The Weight” which closes the film and interestingly is the only song in the piece that receives an almost full treatment…….the other good bit was seeing Page’s home record collection and seeing how excited he got as he plays Link Wray’s Rumble – a song that the Edge admits to never knowing!.............In related dvd news….Rotten Tomatoes just released their 2009 year-end movie list and “Anvil – the story of Anvil” – the great little documentary on the unknown Toronto heavy metal band received a stunning 98% rating meaning 98% of all reviews were positive…..this is Godfather territory!........even for those here who have no time for metal music…..trust me on this one – go rent this movie – you will not be disappointed.

IPOD: A great thing to have on long trips that involve much travel……..realized that this website and contributors such as David P, bob w and Bill M are directly responsible for about 45-50 songs on the little machine……Jesse Winchester, Marshall Tucker Band, Ronnie Lane, Blackie & the Rodeo Kings, etc……….not a bad reason for regularly checking this site out…..

Serenity: Sorry about your departure…I enjoyed your spirit and especially the heads-up on David Letterman musical guests……I will admit to not being interested in the lists….perhaps you could just attach the lists as a link and this would eliminate the frustration it causes some of the other posters…….and on the retirement front – please be warned that you are mow entering the Favre, Jordon, Howe, Ali and David P territory…….So once you return from this one – which I hope you do – no more retirements!

Lady GaGa & CNN International: Two things every hotel television in the world has on…..


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Posted by:

Bill M

Speaking of the Chipmunks, the only song I can think of that's equally - and very - enjoyable at both 45 and 33 is Kate Bush's "Wuthering Heights".

David P: "Street Fighting Man" is where the Stones ask the musical question, "What does a poor boy do but play in a rock and roll band?" CCR took an interest in the question a few years later, though by then Willie had demanded top billing over his bandmates. Not that it did them all that much good, as they were still playing for nickels down on the corner, out in the street, though as you know they couldn't be beat.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: I'm Still Here...

I'm just still smarting from the comment about The McGarrigles sounding like The Chipmunks, that's all. Anyone with half a brain knows that Canada's answer to The Chipmunks is The Rankin Family, NOT The McGarrigle Sisters. Yes Bill, a food fight at Hugh's Room in the middle of Lewd Old Man Deckie's concert would be good payback for him stealing Fred Eaglesmiths' Juno last year in the Best Canadian Americana category. Providing it's well-organized and tastefully done, not one of those chaotic and boorish food fights, as Hugh's Room's a pretty classy joint, dinner club venue-wise. Oh and until you mentioned it, I never really considered funerals as "unsneekoutofable", except of course for one notable exception. NB


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, thanks for the info. Weider and Sancious will be great together.

I have great admiration for Phoebe Snow and I'm sure we all wish her the best. Amazing talent, amazing human.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Different Stones For Different Tones

So was Robbie's take a precusor to the Rolling Stones' "Street Fighting Man", released three years later, and definitely out of step with the non-violent philosophy of Dr. King, with whom the Staples marched?

In 1965, those other Stones recorded a very secular take on the Staples' gospel song "This May Be The Last Time", recorded a decade earlier.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Seems reasonable, though I don't know the Staples song. I guess Robbie's reply was essentially "It's okay, I'm doing it to free all men." Nice sentiment, though hardly a commercially attractive one in '65 - the year of the Watts riots in LA, no?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Staples & Stones

Robbie no doubt wrote it as an answer to The Staple Singers' single "Be Careful of the Stones You Throw", recorded for Epic in 1964 and later included on the great "Freedom Highway" album.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Good question, Joan. At first I wondered if it's a US national holiday that I don't know about. And then I had the frightening thought that it's a Canadian holiday that I've forgotten. Time will tell.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: ????

Where did everyone go?


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Thanks for the news updates, Jeff... one sad, one glad...


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Posted by:

Bill M

Picking up on Robbie's statement, as relayed in the notes to AMH, that "The Stones I Throw" was written with the Staples in mind, I wonder if they ever saw the song?


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Posted by:

Steve

5 or 6 years ago when Canada's left wing party, The New Democrats, suggested negotiating with the Taliban and possibly bringing the more reasonable members on side our two other major parties couldn't stop calling them Taliban sympathizers and naive idealists. Our Neo Con prime minister would wag his finger at them in the House Of Commons and trumpet, in full Neo Con puffery, "when faced with a tough foe Canada doesn't cut and run".

Now that McChrystal has suggested essentially the same approach it will be interesting to watch the scramble at FOX to explain how this approach is more manly than fighting them.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Phoebe Snow

Jeff/Friend0, that is sad news indeed. All best wishes, Phoebe... we are pulling for you.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Zappa

Ah, Frank, the man who was always looking for a situation where he could pull out his handy dandy Zircon-encrusted tweezers.

Does making up your own vocabulary get you some kind anti cred? I always loved flykune but have never been able to work it into a conversation. It actually makes a nice substitute for tycoon. Donald Trump , what a fuggin flykune!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

The above link will take you to a short article in which David Clayton Thomas talks a bit about Toronto then and now. Doesn't mention our guys, who he played with every week back in the day, but does mention Hawkins.

If any of you have encyclopedic knowledge of "The Beverly Hillbillies", I'm wondering about when they did the episode where the Clampetts encounter a van full of hippies at a park. When the Clampetts say they're smoking crawdaddies, the lead hippie decides he'd like to try too.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: anti

Perhaps not exactly "anti:" Zappa / Mothers "Flower Punk;" "Camarillo Brillo" and probably others?

In the "Public Service Announcement: Anti-Drug category: Canned Heat "Amphetamine Annie:" "This is a song with a message . . . ."


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Sad news at link above. Hopefully she has a quick and full recovery.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Pat, you'll be interested to know taht Jim Weider and David Sancious are doing are working on a project together.


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Posted by:

Frosty Jackson

Web: My link

I began a new site with the best Bob Dylan videos available online. You should visit, quick access, organized by decades, brief song info and lyrics link. Best Bob Dylan Videos www.BestDylanVideos.com


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Anti

Hip to be Square - H Lewis & The News

Tom T Hall has one called America the Ugly that refers to "the enemy"; it's not completely clear who that is but I suspect it could include the counter-culture.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Anti

Hip to be Square - H Lewis & The News

Tom T Hall has one called America the Ugly that refers to "the enemy"; it's not completely clear who that is but I suspect it could include the counter-culture.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

On the Road with Bill Avis
by Jeremy Blair Kelly Video

Bill began as the roadie with The Hawks and then their road manager up until 1983. I met Bill and his son (Levon's Godson) at a gig in Cobourg, Ontario with Buzzzz Thompson. Levon's Godson plays drums and has LevonHelm.com on his drum kit. He told me to save my pennies for a Ramble. If I never make it to one I did get a chance to see Levon on Bravo. Excellent clip of Levon performing. Sure I'd love the show. Also, although I've seen Levon perform many times I've never heard him sing, sing, sing. Anyway, what also really struck me was the way Larry Campbell spoke about Levon and his time together with him......wow....with such reverence and love.....love....love....

A couple of nights ago...again it was just a fluke that I was surfing channels and came upon Bravo again and this time it was all about Ian Tyson. Nomadic Mike's fave....Gordon Lightfoot dropped by and John Hiatt and Sylvia Tyson....and the woman who inspired "Four Strong Winds"....She still has all their letters. They were supposed to go to Toronto for Art School but.....wasn't in their cards. I think I'm forgetting someone....In the end he said it's ok to be alone 70% of the time.......


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Peter M....You're very welcome. Here's another download....."Tombstone The Lost Album"


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Peter

I would agree, Peter.

When looking for a song, do you use spotify? Good for obscure songs and indeed any songs. I'm away for my Sunday jog. No snow at last!!!!!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunc, I have to come back on that! A lot of Pink Floyd is pretentious crap! What a thing to say!

It should read: "most" not simply "a lot of".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Anti- songs

I've been getting into this. "The Dawn of Correction" is very hard to track down. Apparently it's not been compiled, and it isn't on iTunes. I found somewhere with an original single in England though. The YouTube video is quite frightening … what a horrible sneering guy the singer is! It says one of the backing singers was in Danny & the Juniors.

There is something unpleasant about the vehemence with which Frank Sinatra and The Four Seasons attack the counter-culture. The Spokesmen look similar to the Four Seasons in dress. There is a "well-connected" link running there as I said, and these guys had their careers boosted by people who were openly into gambling and prostitution at the very least. It seems those old Mob guys didn't like the hippies. I suppose the poisons of choice of the sixties could be manufactured locally and so undercut their business interests.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Anti

Interesting subject, Peter.

Perhaps wrong era, Peter, but I read recently that 'Baggy Trousers' by Madness is anti 'Another Brick in the Wall'. I much prefer 'Baggy Trousers'

I have 'Dark Side of the Moon', but think a lot of Pink Floyd is pretentious crap.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Grateful Dead

Pursuing that line of thought … driving that train, high on cocaine didn't do Casey Jones a lot of good either! It may be that the Dead in their Merry prankster phase espoused psychedelics but rejected the Peruvian marching powder? That reputedly changed later.

The ones that interested me mainly is the "Life's A Trippy thing" / "Dawn of Construction" mood rather than the ones from "inside" … like "Sam Stone" or "Needle of Death". There needs to be a bit of preaching as well as narrative, but this is an uncompiled genre (as yet!)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Great! I'll assemble a CDR or Playlist on my iPod on this stuff I think … keep them coming.

I was delighted to see Garth's name in the Sunday newspaper this morning. I'd bought the Sunday Telegraph for a change because it had "A Place in The Sun" as the free cover DVD. There was a large ad for the new Timothy B. Schmidt album "Expando" in the main paper, which proclaimed with Dwight Yoakam, Kid Rock, Keb Mo, Van Dyke Parks, Garth Hudson.

Garth Hudson and Van Dyke Parks probably appear separately, but there's an interesting pair if they ever collaborated directly!

I was surprised to see such a large ad, and in the main newspaper too, rather than the Arts & Entertainment section. Mrs V, who is not as great an Eagles fan as me, uncharitably suggested that perhaps Eagles fans don't read the Arts section.


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Posted by:

Guess Who?

Subject: Counter Culture?

Uh... almost anything by The Doors.


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Posted by:

Lars

Subject: More

Dion Dimucci's "Your Own Back Yard" (1970) was anti-drug, but told from the viewpoint of a recovered junkie ("...but thank the good Lord God I had enough").

I was just watching World Cup downhill skiing (cable channel 162) and Didier Cuche of Switzerland was like poetry in motion. Years ago,I used to love watching Franz Klammer (Austria) ski the downhill, although my heart was in my throat as I watched him fight his way down the mountain, en route to another gold medal. Winter Olympics are coming up, gonna be good.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: ... Anti-Hippie, "Counter culture? "

... Here's a very early one you would never have seen coming.

Cosmic Charlie

Cosmic Charlie how do you do?
Truckin' in style along the avenue.
Dum de dum de dooodley do.
Go on home your mama's calling you.
Kalico, Kahlia, come tell me the news.
Calamity's waiting for a way to get to her.
Rosy red and electric blue
I bought you a paddle for your paper canoe.

Say you'll come back when you can
Whenever your airplane happens to land.
Maybe I'll be back here too
It all depends on what's with you.
Hung up waiting for a windy day
kite one ice since the first of February.
Mama keeps saying that the wind might blow,
But standing here I say I just don't know.

New ones comin' as the old ones go,
Everything's moving here but much too slow now,
A little bit quicker and we might have time,
To say "How do you do?" before we're left behind.
Calliope wail like a seaside zoo.
The very last lately inquired about you,
It's really very one or two.
The first you wanted, the last I knew.

I just wonder if you shouldn't feel,
Less concerned about the people unreal.
The very first word is "How do you do?",
The last "Go home your mama's callin' you."

Calling you, calling you, calling you, calling you,
Go on home your mama's calling you.

Words and Music, The Greatful Dead

...If you read or *think* about the words to "Truckin" you'll hear all the Anti-Hippie sentiment you need.

What in the world ever became of Sweet Jane?
She lost her sparkle, you know she isn't the same
Livin on reds, vitamine C and cocaine
All her friends can say is ain't it a shame ...

...Sorry about all the Dead stuff. If the shoe fits though ...



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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Anti-hippy, anti-counter culture songs

What about Paul Revere & The Raiders' 'Kicks' if that is the correct title. 'You know your kicks keep getting harder to find...'. That was at least an early anti-drug song. Does that count? The Beatles' Revolution actually has some very anti-counter culture lyrics, or at least anti-rebellion lyrics for lack of a better term.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Many thanks Jan & Pat. I know The Barbarians and Merle Haggard, but they hadn't come to mind until you mentioned them, but "Dawn of Correction" was totally new to me. It's astonishing! An essential link!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

The Dawn of Correction.


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Anti-hippy ditties

"So my question, are there any other “anti-hippy” and “anti-protest” songs from the 60s that come to mind?"

Merle Haggard's "Okie from Muskogee" (1969) comes to mind, yes. In particular a horrible Norwegian cover version from the '70s ("Bonde i fra bygda" with Ottar "Big Hand" Johansen").

Also, the title song from the Barbarians' 1966 LP _Are You A Boy Or Are You A Girl_ (see link above) probably fits in here. Interestingly, our boys (minus Levon) provided the backing for the Barbarians' sort-of-famous '66 track "Moulty", about their one-handed drummer Victor "Moulty" Moulton.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: Phila. area

Subject: Rick & Levon show

Angie, Thanks SO much for the link to the Danko/Helm tour of 1983. My wife and I caught them then at a corny pseudo "Urban Cowboy" type bar called "Philly's", on Chestnut Street in Philadelphia when they came through this area on that tour. The place had cowboy hats stapled to the walls, horseshoes over the doors and even a mechanical bull. The show was magnificent, though. Just the two of them, sitting at floor level on the edge of the stage, with guitars, a mandolin, fiddle, Levon's bank of harmonicas, and several other instruments in a pile next to them. They would talk to the crowd, take song suggestions, discuss who should play what instrument on which song and generally just carry on like this was an impromptu sing along on someone's back porch. It was a relaxed, casual, warm gig. The material they played was similiar to the set list on the show BEG linked. It was one of the best, most laid back, comfortable nights of music I've ever experienced. Hearing Rick ask, "Hey Lee, what do you want to play now?" was priceless. When they finished, Levon thanked the audience for "letting us get away with this". They walked by our table and he gave us pats on the back, saying that we looked like we really had a good time. Typical Levon, he provides an incredible musical feast for everyone, and then thanks US for coming.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: "Anti-hippy" songs of the 60s

I saw Nancy Sinatra’s “Nancy in London” LP the other day, secondhand and pretty expensive at £15. So I googled it and found the CD had four bonus tracks and was cheaper, so I got it. Excellent BUT … the bonus tracks contain “Life’s A Trippy Thing” the anti-drug, anti-hippy song by Nancy and her Dad (a hypocrite if ever there was one). The forced lyric is unwittingly hilarious, and it brought to mind The Four Seasons “Beggar’s Parade” another right-wing tirade, though a better melody and performance.

Frankie and the Boys waxed lyrical against protest marchers:

Who needs the truth, feed them lies

They’re all hungry for alibis

Oh, they’re all the same, bowery bums, bankers’ sons

Beat the drum, here they come, bankers’ sons, bowery bums

Your skin is thin? Mine is, too

What’s so special about you?

Make excuses ‘cos you just can’t make the grade

AND

Hungry for bread? Plant a seed

Satisfy your evil greed

No, you’d rather collect that unemployment check!

Why should you work, like the rest

When it’s easier to protest!

Chorus, etc.

The invective from some very “well-connected” and wealthy lads was bitter.

Nancy and Frank are pretty weak:

Nancy: Getting stoned on sunshine, getting high on air …

Frank: Getting to it naturally, really getting there

Nancy: Getting such a high on, loving what I do

Frank: And I’m so full of happiness, I’m hooked on something new

So my question, are there any other “anti-hippy” and “anti-protest” songs from the 60s that come to mind?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: bed warmers

The irony is, in terms of bed-warming efficiency, that a skinny runway model (not that I think they are attractive but many men do) would be a poor bed-warmer versus one from the plus-end spectrum. So Ringo's Auntie as seen in Magical Mystery Tour would probably be the best idea of an effective bed-warmer!


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Posted by:

Steve

Lil, I'd have to see the bed warmers first. Better not to prejudge, just in case. Woops, Got to go, here comes Marge.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Tull fan … just read your post again. I'm sure the Platinum Elite qualifies you for a professional flute player :-)


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Music!!!!!!!

As Laurie has added some more info to Lorne's site, you can now listen to a sound clip of any song on CD's now. Purchase CD's or individual songs easily. Just check out the site for quite a bit that may be interesting, including photos of tow boating.

I'm away today "Into the Mystic".......and when that fog horn blows, you know I'll be comin' home........

We were born before the wind........


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Since I can't remember the Rick Danko and Levon Helm show I saw in 1983 at Toronto's Pearcy House....I guess "Reloaded" would be close enough.

Date: 1/29/83
Performer: Danko,Rick/Helm,Levon
Location: Eugene, OR


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

My students initiated a "toonie for Haiti" fundraiser. U.N.I.C.E.F will double what we raise in our school community.

"Earthquake Earthquke
We've seen the earth shake
But the soul of the Haitian people
It will never break"
Wyclef Jean
Hope For Haiti Now

Don't Shutter Soundtrack...Robbie Robertson available February 9.

The collection of modern classical music was hand-selected by Robertson, who is proud of its scope and sound. “This may be the most outrageous and beautiful soundtrack I’ve ever heard,” he said in a press release.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I'm sure you'll get an upgrade version at the Crowne Plaza, possibly with a bottle of champagne and a flower clenched between the teeth. If you're on the Admirals or General's floor, I'd guess whatever you like. I'm told that the "VICE Presidents Suite" is the word to drop at reception.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Pat, Ian playing Reasons for Waiting is not too far-fetched. I forget the year, but they did perform it on one tour I saw 7 to 10 years ago, complete with Martin Barre playing the flute parts on stage just as he did on the studio recording. Now there is a bit of rock trivia; Jethro Tull actually have TWO professional flute players, not just Ian. Since I am Platinum Elite with Holiday Inn/Crowne Plaza's Priority Club, I wonder what level of bed warmer I would be entitled to? :)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Steve: Sorry, don’t you get that service in Canada? It’s been going on here since the 18th century, where the English landed gentry would shed their ascots, and cry “Send me a bed warmer!” Whereupon the hotel (or coaching inn) would send a buxom chambermaid, strapping footman or somewhat wispier young male servant (depending upon gender and taste) to your bedchamber. Unlike the Holiday Inn service (perhaps the most successful publicity stunt they’ve done in years), the bedwarmer got in the bed with you at the same time, and was not attired in a jumpsuit. However, I assume the Crowne Plaza end of Holiday Inn continue to provide this service as they have always done, via the Concierge or Doorman, on a cash basis with the utmost discretion.


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Posted by:

Lil

Steve: I was just reading about those "human bed warmers" on a news site here. Can you say 'creepy'?


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Not Something Basil Would Stand For

A Holiday Inn in Britain is offering a new service because of the unseasonably cold winter there. The hotel will send two employees to your room to lie in your bed with you to keep you warm. Peter, do you think this could be related to the mad cow problem in the 80's and 90's?


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Posted by:

Pat B

JTF, I will be there. And if I can get Ian to do Reasons For Waiting, I'll die happy.


Entered at Sat Jan 23 03:58:59 CET 2010 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Buffett video

Yeah Norm and those dancers can sure swing as well


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: OMG OMG OMG

Pat, You may have already have gotten the alert but there are 6 Procol Harum dates this year, all of them opening for Jethro Tull. Chicago is June 20!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Jamaica Farewell

I hope this site works........probably my favourite vid I've seen on youtube. Jimmy Buffet and his Coral Reefers doing great justice to "arry Belafonte' music for shore mon.

If you watch this, be sure to pay special attention to the "gorgeous" lady playing drums. As well as being beautiful (she can play!) WHAT A PARTY THIS IS!

As well as this vid, at the same party are, Volcano, for "Monserrat", A Pirtae Looks at Fourty, and other of his greats.


Entered at Sat Jan 23 01:03:33 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: The Pond

Subject: Quack

Pass the ketchup


Entered at Sat Jan 23 00:24:58 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As far as I can see, Steve, a lot of people here are indeed completely mad.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 23:01:06 CET 2010 from 21cust13.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.13)

Posted by:

Steve

Lars, better not tell Randy there's a 50/50 chance his tofu burger was grown on land that had been Amazonian Rain Forest. Geez, it's getting tough to find things you can safely eat and yet we keep living longer and longer. Something don't add up.

Peter are the streets full of people acting like ducks? Should be by now, I think the incubation time for Cruetzfeldt-Jakob is 20 years. You guys had millions of cattle with Mad Cow, must be a damn zoo over there. Only a matter of time til the gov't will be putting in duck crossings in London.

Mad cow, bird flu, swine flu, run for the hills!


Entered at Fri Jan 22 21:50:22 CET 2010 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Does anyone know what's up with Jimmy V? Will he be coming back to NYC? Inquiring minds want to know . . .

J.F.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 21:35:49 CET 2010 from c-75-72-126-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (75.72.126.40)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Web: My link

Subject: The Hudsons at SUNDANCE this Sunday!!!

Follow link to News...


Entered at Fri Jan 22 21:21:02 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

NB: In answer to your question, no, I've just heard their name. Old Man Luedecke'll be at Hugh's soon if you want to join me in throwing buns at the award-snatching putz. And, having been an unwavering atheist since the early '70s, I know there's no god. So it must've been the devil that disabled that link you so generously provided. Many cherished musical memories involve religious songs and performances, however, so I know the words don't necessarily bother me. I like sitting in empty churches, and even full churches until the first prayer or sermon - and then I usually get ticked off and would sneak out if it weren't for the inevitable fact that the reason I'm there at all is that it's some unsneakoutofable wedding or funeral.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 21:13:05 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: ....wheatcakes....

(note to self-- make list of people to bite)


Entered at Fri Jan 22 21:06:57 CET 2010 from vance007.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.186.7)

Posted by:

NB

Location: Let's Try This Link (Sorry God !)
Web: My link


Entered at Fri Jan 22 20:57:27 CET 2010 from vance007.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.186.7)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Damn You, Gospel Music !

I used to be a devout Agnostic. Then as the years went by I gradually became a "small l" lapsed Agnostic. But now, because of listening to a fair bit of gospel music in the last couple of years, I find I've become a LARGE L Lapsed Agnostic. I have no idea where this will all end up.

Bill, did you ever see the Agnostic Mountain Gospel Choir perform live ? I understand they're no longer together. Some of their stuff has that down-in-the-dirt gritty gospel feeling that we both admire in Fred Eaglesmith. Also, have you seen Guy Davis live (I realize he ain't gospel) ? He's been at Hugh's Room in Trawna. Thanks. NB


Entered at Fri Jan 22 20:37:18 CET 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: sad cow

"[Kate and Anna] were also asked to write music for a local French-language production of Michael Healy's play The Drawer Boy. The play takes place on a farm, which is what inspired La vache qui pleure's title track. They called up their old friend and collaborator Philippe Tatartcheff, a part-time songwriter who also happened to have spent years as a dairy farmer in the Eastern Townships, and asked him why a cow would cry. 'He said he thought the cow would cry when you would take away the calf,' said Kate."


Entered at Fri Jan 22 20:17:30 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: BS E

Lars: Yes, very patient, but persistent. From what I've read, in phase 1 you find yourself compulsively posting at websites. In phase 2 you start posting using the names of increasingly important people. By phase 3 you see yourself as an ex-president. Phase 4?: there is no phase 4, Mr President.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 19:56:32 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

My usual glance for secondhand vinyl when passing charity shops paid off today. "Rag Mama Rag" by Roy Young from 1971. Roy Young was the keyboard player for Cliff Bennett & The Rebel Rousers and apparently this was by The Roy Young Band who were The Rebel Rousers. It's a frenetic version with a large horn section, not at all honky-tonk or ragged, but very good, and it's dated 1971 on the record (it says 1972 for the LP on the site). It's an odd cover in that the original had been a Top Twenty hit in 1970. But they did it very differently and the massed horns were a preview of The Rock of Ages approach.

On BSE, I stopped eating beef around 1987 on the first hints. I figured we admitted having it, and everyone else was simply lying.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 19:33:57 CET 2010 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Lars

I'm sorry to hear about Kevin's loss. I stand in awe of the commitment of some young people today like Kevin and your Sarah. It gives one hope.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 19:11:43 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject: If what comes out stinks, who cares if it's mad

Whether or not the cows in Canada are mad is a moot point, as more alarmingly there seems to be someone up there intent upon shoveling a lot of their manure into this worldwide site.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 19:08:33 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Getting Hungry

I like lettuce and tomato on my burgers. Would I qualify for 1/2 vegetarian status?
Maybe if we were friendlier to the cows (before we slaughtered, cooked, and ate them) they wouldn't be so mad. I don't know if a happy cow would affect the flavor, but I'd like to think so.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 18:38:50 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: THE BAND

Back to The Band.

Catering Rider from a Band performance in 1996:

"Please be advised that three of The Band tour group are very strict vegetarians. This means that they eat no meat of any kind: no fish, chicken, or turkey, including no preparation with beef or chicken stock. Please make all necessary arrangements to provide for them a hot meal at lunch time:pasta, veggie lasagna, tofu dishes. Please check with road manager for more suggestions."

In fact, whenever Randy Ciarlante comes over to my house, I try to have a tofu-burger available for him. I stopped eating hamburgers when I heard that they can kill you years after they have been eaten. Apparently the Mad Cow Disease is a patience killer.

Tom Izzo quote: "To err is human, but to forgive is bovine."


Entered at Fri Jan 22 18:08:29 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Here we can safely say that no cow has a monkey on its back.

Two cows are standing at the fence. One says, "All this talk of mad cow disease is unsettling isn't it?" The other says, "Doesn't bother me. I'm a duck."


Entered at Fri Jan 22 18:00:32 CET 2010 from 21cust175.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.175)

Posted by:

Steve

Chicken George, I know facts don't really matter to you but Quebec has never had a case of mad cow. Not that that really matters but at least you could stop spreading misinformation.

While Canada has had 16 cases of mad cow there is no way to find out the actual number in the US.

When the problem surfaced the US shut their border to our beef within hours, a move made for monetary not health reasons.

Canadian farmers and officials realized that they'd made a mistake disclosing the case to the world.

The American reaction initially to the first cows they found with the disease was to, as it came to be called, " Shot, Shovel and Shut Up."

American ranchers didn't want their export markets , especially Japan, closed so they just kept Shooting, shoveling and shutting up til it couldn't be hidden any longer.

truckers and others handling cows with the disease kept reporting seeing cows exhibiting the symptoms but those cows just kept disappearing.

Eventually the ranchers had to come clean and American export markets were closed except for the Canadian market which has never shut the border to American cattle.

Your injected hormones misinformation is another problem. I frisked all the cattle this morning and came up with no syringes but I'll keep checking, maybe do a cavity search if you think it's necessary.

By the by, we don't use growth hormones here but I think if you'd bothered to look into it hormones are not injected into cattle. But I realize needles, syringes and the like makes the whole process sound much more nefarious so I understand your use of the misinformation.

For future reference, a tiny pellet is implanted under the skin on the back of an animals ear.

Nobody sticks needles into cattle if they can avoid it.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 16:34:08 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Inside Outside Upside Down

Things sure have changed. Massachusetts has gone Republican, and GWB has apparently become an environmentalist.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 16:31:26 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Steve: I didn't know that Quarrington song, but here's a link to it on YouTube - not that you'll be able to see it on dial-up. But others, and I'm looking at you Dunc, might like to click some of the follow-on links at the right side. Lotsa Willie P Bennett and lotsa Fred Eaglesmith.

Speaking of whom, I rotated the car CDs yesterday afternoon; out went "Charles Mingus: The Impulse Story", "Canada's Message to the Meters" and "I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight" by the Thompson Divorcees, and in came "Avenue Road" by Kensington Market", a Cockburn best-of and his Fredship's "Tinderbox", which seems even brillianter than ever after a couple of months away. I highly recommend all six albums, starting with Eaglesmith and the Thompsons.

The latter is in my view the best thing that Richard T's ever done. Often pretty dark and judgmental, perhaps reflecting an English (East Anglian?) non-conformism - not that I know anything of his religious background before Sufism. There's also something Bandish about his narratives, which tend towards ruralia and urban odd-balls.

And that brings me to the Emblidge article that BEG and dlew (or was it dlew and BEG) were kind enough to point out. (See What's New.) I won't argue with the case it makes, though it does seem a bit of an anachronism since it appeared in latish '76, at a time when everyone paying attention to the group knew that their final concert was mere weeks away - and also since it doesn't talk about the later OQ albums. Given what happened with and after TLW, you gotta love the last paragraph: "A final question: What is implied by the fact that this group is so uncharismatic, so unconcerned with a self-serving, marketable mythology ...? Obviously Robbie, at least, was thinking along the same lines and set out to do something about it. Quite successfully, it must be said.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 14:07:07 CET 2010 from 21cust137.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.137)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I don't know Quarrington's music but heard, Gotta Love A Train, last night. Quiet impressive if that's representative of the quality of his music.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 12:11:21 CET 2010 from ool-44c628ae.dyn.optonline.net (68.198.40.174)

Posted by:

Eddie Shore

Location: Old Time Hockey

Man - those Islanders are good!


Entered at Fri Jan 22 05:46:59 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

George Again

Location: Maine

Subject: Meat

Didn't read that retort until just now. Little bit off base. Never said anything against Canadians. Not prudent. Could have. But I didn't.

I was only talking about one small peckerhead in Canada. Shouldn't have said that.

There must be something really wrong at the bottom of the Quebec meat problem. Exactly, what-maybe the injected hormones-not my call. Could have pointed the finger,but in the name of peace I decided not to. Wouldn't be prudent.

I wish a good night to everyone in Canada, except for one peckerhead. Not at liberty to say who. Nope, not gonna stoop to insults.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 03:15:07 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: deep in the woods

Subject: In service of America

Today I learned that a very good friend of my daughter's, a young man named Kevin who graduated two years ago at Albany State, is lost and presumed dead in Haiti. He just just arrived there in the beginning of the year to donate his time, driving ambulances for some non-profit organization. He went there to serve his fellow man.

I am in awe of this generation of young Americans who are willing to dedicate themselves to the common good of the world. Some of them are in the Mideast, some of them went to third world countries, some of them are still here in the US- waiting for their chance to help. Despite the negative propaganda coming from our enemies near and far, they went into the world with a trust that their people and countrymen will stand behind them. And we will.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 02:49:57 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: Yes, Paul Quarrington is a loss too. Saw him many many times when he was bassist with Joe Hall and the Continental Drift in the late '70s and early '80s. Great band, brilliant songs (by Hall mostly). He and Drift drummer Martin Worthy had a folkish side project (one LP) which evolved eventually into the Pork Belly Futures, a band that also included Richard Bell up until Richard's final illness. At some point in the early '90s we drove up the east coast of Vancouver Island, and every largish place had a poster for a reading by Paul Quarrington. Don't know which book, but it must've had a promo budget because there he was on our flight home - sitting in first class, unlike myself and the missus. Have you seen "Whale Music", the movie? A wonderful thing, with soundtrack by the Rheostatics.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 02:24:29 CET 2010 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Delbert McClinton

Link is to a great Delbert McClinton video from Austin City Limits.

Only a couple days after Kate M. died we lose Paul Quarrington. I read 'King Leary' over Christmas. 'Whale Music' is a hoot. I cannot find my 'Matapedia' CD. I suspect my ex-sister-in-law.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 00:34:27 CET 2010 from 21cust19.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.19)

Posted by:

Steve

Sorry, Lars, I should have checked to find out if it was you. I've made a pledge to get along with you and I'm doing my dam best but it's difficult.

Sorry again. You're smarter than a chicken, I know that.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 00:29:10 CET 2010 from 21cust19.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.19)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: To Chicken George

George, as usual your focus is very, very narrow, I'm guessing for reasons of cerebral congestion. The small ones fill up quickly. Chickens and turkeys suffer the same constipated situation on a daily basis, take comfort in the knowledge ( hope you got room for it) that you are not alone out there.

Let me take this opportunity to extend an invitation to take up residence in either coop, your choice, I'm sure that since you can type you'll probably bring up the quality of the banter a little.

Now Georgie, if you were on your game you'd understand that your country has a cattle industry that dwarfs ours and good for you. Turning pasture grass and hay to meat is a wonderful use of low quality forage.

Here's a tip for future posts. You could have lashed out with something of value.

We Canadians are really nasty little bastards, but we conceal it well, all that overly polite stuff we're proud to have as our face to most foreigners. We've been working our magic on you guys for , well ever.

I may be reprimanded for this but the RCMP, you know, those warm and fuzzy guys who act as another positive face for us. They always get their man and more and more frequently seem to kill them.

Now if you wanted to hang out the laundry you culd have exposed the Canadian mining industry, we're the largest mining country in the world, bet you didn't know that, did you Georgie.

Canadian companies are quite determined when it comes to opening mines regardless of what the locals say.

We'll bull doze villages, run cyanide into the water and hire local thugs to convince their fellow country men that this is all in THEIR best interest.

Check out the Toronto stock exchange, it's monetary life depends on companies that dig up stuff all over the world.

here's a shocker for you Georgie, it's actually SAFER to pretend to be an American in lots of rural areas in Central, and South America, rural area in lots of the former countries that made up the USSR, especially the ones in the Stan family.

I could go on and on Georgie but I'm guessing you've already forgotten the sentence just before this one. Remember, the coop offers still stands. I know; what coop offer.

PS Georgie you seem to have skipped right over the fact I included Canada in that invasion force, we're equally guilty but you'd never know it, would you. As a Canadian comedian, John Wing, likes to say, if, as the Muslim world says the US is the Great Satan, we're the Great Satan's little brother. Just remember to be polite and you can quietly make out like a friggin bandit.

To add a little musical flavor to this post, we were not involved in the assassination of the one African leader that everyone points to as the leader who stood up to the mining world's corruption and refused to give away mining rights.

Thomas Sankara, president of Burkina-Faso was a socialist in that he gave rights denied to many African women in other countries and he tried to spread the wealth.

His claim to fame before becoming president was that he was one of the best jazz guitarists in the country.

Word in the mining community is that the French had had enough and ordered him removed in a coup in which he was shot dead. It's also rumoured that American mining interests financed the coup. Just rumours, just rumours, of course.

To sum up; Georgie you should know all this from barnyard etiquette but the guy who thumps his chest and spreads his tail feathers and constantly draws too much attention ends up in the pot before the guy who quietly looks for any chance to make chicken love.

Very, very sorry, Todd, it got away on me.


Entered at Fri Jan 22 00:21:45 CET 2010 from vance007.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.186.7)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: SNN (Stevon News Network)

Loved how your most recent article quite clearly implicated Canada every bit as much as the US in the whole Haitian debacle, so as to preclude anyone of at least presidential intellect from accusing you of telling stories about the U.S.. BRAVO, Steve! Oh, sorry. Wrong network. NB

. PS Speaking of bacon, you're more hard to pin down than that greased pig at the Lindsay fall fair.


Entered at Thu Jan 21 23:32:44 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I guess you could say that Bob Bossin's the kind of guy who likes to spread his thoughts around - kinda like someone else we know, eh? Good thing he hasn't heard about the internet.

To pile on to your little romp through Haitian history, it's worth keeping in mind that those on the losing side of the rebellion fled the country if they could, often with their domestic slaves and servants. And many of those emigres headed to Louisiana, still a French colony at the time. I won't go into the hows, whys and wherefores, but it seems to be accepted that jazz sprang from the resulting cultural stew. Presumably people like Antoine Domino and Allen Toussaint had Haitian roots.


Entered at Thu Jan 21 22:53:40 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

George H. Bush

Location: Maine

Subject: Canadian Bacon

(low whistle)..Did you see that? Some guy telling stories about the US again. Did I ever tell you about Canadian meat products? About mad cow disease and all of the dangerous things involved when you eat meat from Quebec? ...Can't do it. Wouldn't be prudent. Of course, I COULD... don't want to. Have to be careful..

Could talk about how more greenhouse gas emitted from those Canadian cattle than all the planes, trains and cars in North America. Not gonna do it. Got no comment on cancer -causing agents on cooked Canadian beef. Wouldn't be prudent. Rather just let it go.


Entered at Thu Jan 21 21:11:56 CET 2010 from 21cust230.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.230)

Posted by:

Steve

NB, I'd have never made that post if I'd seen yours first, you know what value I place on your wisdom, wise guy. A case of reading the "whoa" before the impact I guess.


Entered at Thu Jan 21 21:05:08 CET 2010 from 21cust230.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.230)

Posted by:

Steve

Bossin, may have sent the same letter, or one similar, to Q.

Bill, I feel I'm losing my touch if someone, anyone, says what I posted was sensible so let me step out further on the limb and start sawing.

Over the years I've been aware, like probably everyone here, of the mess Haiti is in. It seems to have been like that from the moment I became aware of the island.

Here's a brief synopsis from a couple of in depth interviews given by an American professor from Harvard who specializes in the Caribbean and a Canadian professor, born in Haiti, from the University of Montreal.

Slaves revolt, kick out French who "own' the island as well as most of the people on it.

The French who are deposed return to France and demand that their gov't collect what they've lost to the Haitians( app. 40 billion in today's cash.

The French with the help of the US threatens the Haitians with a little gunboat diplomacy.

The Haitians don't have the cash but luckily American banks are quite willing to pay the French for the Haitians. Seems even back then bankers knew a can't lose deal when presented with one.

When the money had to be paid back the Haitians were forced to cut down their mahogany forests that covered the island and ship it to France to be sold as furniture. 98% of the island was clear cut, it has never recovered.

We'll skip the American occupations and move to present day. Did you know that, FDR, when he was keeping order on the island wrote their constitution( more trivia Bill).

When the Haitians elected father Jean Bertrand Aristides in the late 80's he started a socialist reform program to redistribute wealth a little on the island, yes there are some very wealthy Haitians.

The US, Canada and France, along with Brazil pressured the world bank to stop lending to Aristides gov't and lend the money to NGOs from the US, Canada and European countries.

This effectively starved the gov't of cash for public services and infrastructure spending.

You effectively had the NGOs making decisions about what projects would get done in Haiti.

With very little policing, and those that were working turning to crime themselves to get by the society fell apart in the early 90's at which point Canada and the US under the cloak of the UN ( see it can be useful)landed troops on the island, marched to the presidential place and at gun point put Aristides on a plane and exiled him to South Africa where he remains.

The socialist experiment was over and things went back to the way we like it.

There are many more details but roughly that's the story about Haiti that doesn't get told.

This time we might try leaving the Haitians in charge and see how they do. Looking at the mess it's hard to imagine them being any less successful running their own country.

A group of Haitian Canadians is pressuring our Governor General ( our official Head Of State) Michaelle Jean, who is Haitian, to officially demand that the French Gov't repay the 40 billion to Haiti. Oh wouldn't that make for a juicy international incident.


Entered at Thu Jan 21 21:01:26 CET 2010 from vance007.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.186.7)

Posted by:

NB

Subject: Stevon Politics

Promoting that kind of discussion will merely prompt another one of those Pravda-type comments to be flung in your general direction, Bon Ami. But you could just take it as as a compliment cause isn't "pravda" just Russian for "truth", whereas "Svoboda" is CheckerSlobovian for "freedom" ? (or Canadien for fairly decent former Hab defenceman). Do correct me in the overwhemingly likely event that I am mistaken. NB


Entered at Thu Jan 21 15:23:15 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Another musical notable who passed away recently is Ed Thigpen, best know as a third of Oscar Peterson'g great trio, the one that did the "Night Train" album and others. At one time the three members not only played together, they jointly owned a jazz school in Toronto in the early '60s. Oscar also had a regular gig just off Yonge Street, so I've always wondered if our guys ever looked in? Maybe Rick and Levon before heading out to do that jazz session with Lenny Breau?


Entered at Thu Jan 21 14:40:58 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: That seems a sensible conclusion. Me chipping in to say that no two-year-old sounds like that wouldn't've added anything non-obvious. Today's Globe had a letter to the editor from Bob Bossin, self-identified as "Old Folksinger, Gabriola BC" (meaning he's just across the strait from Bonk), pointing out that "Heart Like A Wheel" is Anna's song, though "Talk To Me Of Mendocino" is Kate's.

Bossin headed up the very popular Stringband through the '70s and into the '80s. They went through a couple of fiddlers, one of whom was Ben Mink, who went on to achieve considerable success as kd lang's co-writer and band-leader. I don't remember seeing Stringband but do remember trotting out of an Amos Garrett / Bill Stevenson gig at Expo '86 in Vancouver to zip across the park to catch the end of Bossin's set. (Not because we wanted to see him play but so that my wife could catch up with an old family friend who she correctly suspected would be playing bass.)


Entered at Thu Jan 21 13:58:12 CET 2010 from 21cust148.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.148)

Posted by:

Steve

Agreed, Deb, it's from The McGarrigle Hour. Two different CBC programs played that version saying it was the 1975 recording. I thought it was funny to hear the 2 year old Rufus with such a manly voice singing along. The whole family is very musical but that's a little overboard.

NB, Mercer could have asked those same Montrealais, " Have you heard of The Band?" We know the answer; What band?

Too bad with the spotlight finally on Haiti all we're getting is the account of what a miserable place to live it has been even before the quake.

While the country has world wide attention it would be a great time for the media to explain how the country has ended up like it has, point at the guilty, and demand they make restitution, afford them the same rights to self gov't as other countries get and let Haitians run their own country.


Entered at Thu Jan 21 06:17:36 CET 2010 from user-24-236-77-125.knology.net (24.236.77.125)

Posted by:

Deb

The Linda Ronstadt interview was lovely, Steve.

I didn't hear any mention of 1975 in the interview, which leads me to think that they used the version of "Talk to Me of Mendocino" from "The McGarrigle Hour", which was recorded in 1998. Rufus Wainwright is credited on that one along with his father, sister, Emmylou Harris, Linda Rondstadt and others.

I didn't get off entirely free, Bill, since I ended up downloading their version of "Porte En Arriere" with Emmylou Harris. It's a Cajun standard second only to "Jolie Blon". I have fond memories of introducing D. L. Menard, who wrote and recorded it, many times at the Louisana Folklife Festival.


Entered at Thu Jan 21 05:08:30 CET 2010 from s0106000a956fbfac.cq.shawcable.net (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

NB

Subject: Or Memphis Town, whatever....


Entered at Thu Jan 21 05:05:49 CET 2010 from s0106000a956fbfac.cq.shawcable.net (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Classic Crazy-Ass Stunt Film / John Hammond: Memphis Train


Entered at Thu Jan 21 03:04:05 CET 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279463999.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.18.63)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

A Band New Perspective
A Reunion With Robertson and Busey's Enthusiasm Have Recharged Rick Danko June 08, 1989
CHUCK PHILIPS

"But according to Danko, a surprise jam session with him, Robertson and Hudson in April at a tiny Toronto room called the Horseshoe Club changed the pattern.

"When Robbie walked out on stage with me, man, a roar went up like the Coliseum--the roof almost came off," said Danko, who is to play three Southland shows with Hudson and actor-singer Gary Busey, including Sunday at the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano.

The night after the Toronto jam session, the three reunited at Canada's Juno Awards for a broadcast of the Band's induction into the Canadian Hall of Fame, which included a live performance of "The Weight" (with the Canadian group Blue Rodeo) on national TV.

The whole experience was as inspiring for Danko as it was for his audience.

"The two of us put our hands together that weekend--we really had a lot of fun," Danko said recently. "As a result, I think Robbie is going to help me record this next one."

The Robertson reunion changed his view about solo albums, so he plans to begin production in the fall. He said that three labels are interested in the project, which will feature all new material, plus a composition by Manuel, Gerry Goffin and Carole King called "Breaking New Ground."

"I want this new record to span the entire emotional gauntlet--something up, something down, something sideways," Danko said."

Don't forget Jan H.....dlew919 is the friend...who is my friend. :-D


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Posted by:

Eddie H.

Web: My link

Subject: Hank Wedel

This message is for John W. and all you New Yorkers. According to his myspace, the great Hank Wedel whom many from this site know is from County Cork Ireland and a honorary New Yorker, is performing in NYC this weekend. He'll be in Woodside, Queens on Friday. You're sure to hear him play a few Band tunes and spin some tales. I first saw Hank perform in the mid 1980's. He played some Band tunes and we talked about Rick Danko.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 23:07:54 CET 2010 from 21cust18.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.18)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, forgot to get your take on whether that's a 2 year old Rufus singing on, Talk to me Of Medocino.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 22:53:10 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Centrefold

My blood runs cold, my memory has just been sold

My angel is the centrefold (angel is the centrefold)

Well, that's what they were playing on the news here today.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 22:50:05 CET 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

NB: there's a smidgen of that clip in this clip (narrated by our Head of State, that's how important les soeurs McG are . . . .)

May I also recommend the excellent video "A Life in Folk" at McGarrigles.com / Media.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 22:26:12 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

NB: Mercerish for sure. And could be done with same effect (aside from the chipmunk thing) with most of us, sadly. In fact I think the whole idea could be worked into one of those little voiceless pranks they record around Montreal (is it for "Just for Laughs") - secret cameras following people's reactions to various set-ups.

Steve: The most excellent "Entre la jeunesse et la sagesse" is my only McGarrigle album. Among the players on some of the songs is Ken Pearson, previously with Jesse Winchester. I believe that it was his appearance on the first Winchester album, produced by Robbie Robertson, that caused Albert Grossman to draft him into Janis Joplin's Full Tilt Boogie Band. Hmm, it just occured to me that the guitarist on that Winchester album was David Rea, who would soon head over to England for a largely unproductive tenure with Fairport, and that frequent McGarrigle bassist Pat Donaldson was also part of the Fairport crowd; I wonder if there was a link there aside from Joe Boyd?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Steve Gadd

Steve Gadd & Tony Levin go back a long ways, first playing together in college at the prestigious Eastman School of Music. After graduation, Mr. Gadd did a stint in the Army, playing in the Army stage band, as evidenced in my earlier post.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 22:04:16 CET 2010 from vance007.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.186.7)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Kate and Anna McGarrigle

They were terrific and it's sad to now have to use the past tense. The song writing, the harmonies, the clever twists and turns in their music. I remember seeing a documentary on them years ago. They'd stop people randomly in the street in Montreal and ask them if they'd heard of Kate and Anna. Sadly, few had. Then they'd play a sample of their music for them and this would draw some strange responses like "they sound like The Chipmunks" or "they sound like singing nuns". Steve/Bill: That segment of the documentary was quite Merceresque, actually, and could've been called "Talking to Canadians about Canadian Music". NB


Entered at Wed Jan 20 21:54:21 CET 2010 from 21cust253.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.253)

Posted by:

Steve

David, I don't have time to download that video but I'm guessing you're talking about Steve Gadd, or as he was known back then, Stephen Gadd.

As I was going trough my McGarrigle collection early this morning looking for my favorite songs by the sisters I was reading the liner notes to their French Record/ Entre La Jeunesse et La Sagesse( if you knew Montreal you'd appreciate the pun).

But I digress. In the liner notes I was checking out who played on one of their best songs, Complainte Pour Ste-Catherine recorded in 75, and the name of the drummer is Stephen Gadd. The bass player is Tony Levin. Who knew? Not me.

I'd never really read their liner notes much. I've seen them several times and they'd played with a lot the same people( lots of friends and relatives usually) for decades and I just assumed they were playing on all the albums as well.


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Posted by:

David P

Bill M: I'm sure most of the Army Band members were familiar with the Meters song. Maybe performing that title was their way of doing something subversive, behind the backs of the unhip military brass (pun intended).


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: I wonder if the soldiers were told the song's title before or after? Makes me think of Monty Python's Mounties walking away in the middle of singing "I'm A Lumberjack" when they got to the lingerie department.


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Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Marching to different Meters

On my Gadd, check out link above to video of U.S. Army Band, featuring a now very famous drummer, performing "Cissy Strut" onstage in 1970.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 19:37:04 CET 2010 from (66.183.148.83)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: Pipe and Drum band

About six months ago I got talked into joining the Salt Spring Pipe and Drum band. As a younger man if you even had of suggested I do this I would have run the other way. I've played around with Blues drumming for a number of years so I thought what the hell, give it a go. Glad I did. It is so completely different and difficult from any thing I've done in the past and I find it totally refreshing. Plus I got to welcome and touch the Olympic torch when it came to Salt Spring. STILL NOT SURE OF THE KILT THING YET. Been watching the GB posts the last couple of days concerning military or not. Last night I asked the pipe major if our group's origins had anything to do with military and he said absolutely yes! I had no idea.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 19:26:03 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: You are a truly fine citizen! Interesting that they were registered to Jaime Robert rather than Jaime Robbie or Jaime Royal.

Anyway, it's a good thing that those campus singalong books weren't picked up by the marching band community.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 19:11:15 CET 2010 from 21cust220.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.220)

Posted by:

Steve

After another second of thought the working title of the post on the health care industry trying to influence military styled marching bands might be; Medical Industry struggling to extricate themselves from sticky Band Aid cover up , Can They pull it off?


Entered at Wed Jan 20 18:43:47 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Copyright Registration (cont.)

Title: He don't love you (and he'll break your heart)
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: RE0000646152 / 1993-12-27
Renewal registration for: EU0000906250 / 1965-10-18
Notes: Words & music
Copyright Claimant: Jaime Robert Robertson (A)

Title: The stones I throw
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: RE0000646153 / 1993-12-27
Renewal regsitration for: EU0000906253 / 1965-10-18
Notes: Words & music
Copyright Claimant: Jaime Robert Robertson (A)

Here's another interesting entry:

Title: The stones I throw. By Jaime Robert Robertson
Appears in: Campus sing--songs of the 70's
Type of work: Music
Copyright Claimant: Jaime Robert Robertson (A)
Basis of Claim: New Matter: arr. for two-part chorus & piano with guitar chords

According to the liner notes for AMH, "Go Go Liza Jane", "The Stones I Throw" and "He Don't Love You" were recorded in Sept. 1965, a month before they were registered with the Copyright Office. Atco released the 45 single "The Stones I Throw" b/w "He Don't Love You" in 1965. In 1968 Atco released the 45 single "Go Go, Liza Jane" b/w "He Don't Love You"


Entered at Wed Jan 20 18:13:29 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve / Deb / Todd: It's best to keep in mind that old saying, "High-school music is to music what high-school justice is to justice." Or something like that.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 18:09:05 CET 2010 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Parish the thought!

Jeff........don't scare us like that!


Entered at Wed Jan 20 18:08:58 CET 2010 from 21cust202.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.202)

Posted by:

Steve

I'm working on it Jeff, the title will be Band Aid.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 18:07:36 CET 2010 from 21cust202.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.202)

Posted by:

Steve

Todd, you're being led astray by that Deb U taunter. I went back and checked what I asked when this started. The question was , what is with the marriage of football and those military marching bands? If I insert, like, making it military "like" marching bands, would that help keep you guys more focused?

To me they seem perfectly matched.

A very war like game replete with bombs and blitzes and military like marching with uniforms, pretend weapons, colour guards, rifle and sabre corps, majorettes and military marching formations seems like a marriage made in Texas.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Todd, though I couldn't repeat exactly what he typed, Sebastian did once weigh in here on Band songwriting and Band songwritng credits.

Norm, this different drummer Steve is marching to now.... just a matter of time., Steve could be yakking about U.S. politics, what just happened in Massachusets, U.S. Health care,etc etc. Somewhere along the line Steve gonna expose some gawdamn U.S. health care company, or drug company, or a both, for sponsoring military marching bands. Just a matter of time.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: YAHOO!......NO! not the gawd damn internet one

I got a reprieve!....is that how you spell it????? The guy whose equipment I'm moving just called me. They are waiting for some parts, so I get a couple more days at home.

Now close your eyes, and picture this. The BEST marching band you could ever see marching to and playing Ophelia! YEAH! That would be the best ever.

Steve ! Leave off this gawd damn marching band shit for a while.....'nother one of your obssesions......Jesus,Jesus, Jesus!


Entered at Wed Jan 20 17:46:39 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Steve: Deb sure got the easy job - the one that involves not much more than clicking a link, hoping that the bit you want's in Part 1 and clicking again. Good interview and lovely song and performance. As for "Rags And Bones", the last time I tried discussing the song here, I got thwacked (understandably) because I quite innocently used the old local term for rag-and-bone men, not knowing that it was widely understood as an upsetting ethnic epithet - meaning I'm not sure exactly what.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 17:33:17 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Different Drum

The key point, as I see it, is that, regardless of the military tradition & origins, the marching band programs of most high schools & colleges, featured in sporting events & parades, are part of the respective music departments, rather than administered as military cadet or ROTC training programs. Many of those latter groups have their own separate ceremonial bands.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 17:28:05 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: And the band begins to play

Bill, sorry for misspelling your name in my last post. My brother's name is Bill...you'd think that I would have mastered that one by now.

David, Thanks for that additional piece of info on Liza Jane. Maybe this is an area that Sebastian can provide more info about. Although maybe songwriting credits are off limits for questions?

Deb, I'll take this one for you.
Steve, Isn't comparing high school marching bands to military organizations a bit like saying that the Beatles Yellow Submarine is a war movie because it happens to have a submarine in it.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 17:20:15 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Thanks for that registration data. Great stuf.. How close do you think the registration date (Oct 18, 1965 in this case) would typically have been to the recording date? Did getting this info involve a lot of work, or would it be a snap to get similar data for "The Stone I Throw" and "He Don't Love You But He'll Break Your Heart"?


Entered at Wed Jan 20 17:12:17 CET 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Thanks for the link, Steve. Kate and Anna McGarrigle are favorites of mine, too. I'll get back to you.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 17:05:05 CET 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Steve, from my last post:

"I understand that the linkages you make with batons and uniforms and formations may be vestiges of some distant military connections, but I don't know how to put it more plainly. No matter how much you would like it to be the case, high school and college marching bands are not military in nature. Any connection is so far in the past as to be insignificant at this point."

Of course, I have only grown up and gone to schools in a region of the country where school marching bands are common. I've attended and at taught at schools with large marching bands. I've been involved in efforts to get instruments for kids who can't afford them. I've probably seen more marching band performances live since last September than you have in your life. Hell, I even dated a high school band director a couple of hundred years ago. But I know that's no substitute for watching a few bands on TV and reading a Wikipedia article, so what can I say? :o), he he he, and hey nonny, nonny.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 17:03:46 CET 2010 from 21cust188.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Web: My link

Bill, Brett, is dead but I believe Arthur Conan Doyle is as well. Just some trivia for you to add to your arsenal. Please don't leave I'll get back to you later.

Deb, now that I've fulfilled my assignment I'd like to return the favour in a much more musically pleasant manner.

If you go to the link, listen to the interview with Linda Ronstadt about her friend Kate McGarrigle.

I send you there because of the place the sisters and their music hold in my heart.

They were the first venture into music that was happening outside the main hit machine stuff for me. I was introduced to their music by friends of theirs which made the experience a little more intimate.

If you listen to the interview, listen to the version of Talk To Me Of Mendocino at the end. It's introduced as the 1975 recording but that male voice sounds a lot like Rufus who would have been two at the time.

Now, I'm hoping that unlike that slacker, Bill, you will take up this most pleasant assignment. Bill, my offer to front you the $ 0.99 to down load Rags and Bones still stands. The pennies can be in the mail in minutes, just say the word.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Go Go Liza Jane

Here is the U.S. Copyright Office registration information:

Type of Work: Music
Registration number / date: RE0000646154 / 1993-12-27
Renewal registration for: EU0000906254 / 1965-10-18
Title: Go Go Liza Jane
Notes: Adapted traditional song
Copyright Claimant: Jaime Robert Robertson (A)
Basis of Claim: New Matter: new words & new music adaptation


Entered at Wed Jan 20 16:38:42 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Little Liza Jane

Bil, I get that it was a mistake (rather than a nefarious plot), but I was wondering about the source for the credits in the discography here supplied (presumably) with the release of AMH. I suppose it's a chicken or the egg type of thing. Did they get it right before getting it wrong or get it wrong before getting it right. I haven't looked to see if there are other examples of Traditional/Arranged By in the set.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 16:01:31 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I agree with you and dlew that Brett is the ultimate Holmes, but Brett is dead, deceased, no more, has flushed his cocaine, has smashed is fiddle, has hung up his deerstalker ...

Eric Clapton's relationship with Beano's always been a bit of a puzzle. I guess he must've sworn off the stuff whenever he was planning to cut an album.

Todd: Rob Bowman's discussion of "Go Go Liza Jane" in his article-length notes to AMH makes it clear that "Go Go Liza Jane" was well recognised as nothing more than a rearrangement of a folk song, despite the mistaken attribution in the credits.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 14:09:59 CET 2010 from 21cust146.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.146)

Posted by:

Steve

Deb, as far as I can see the one bit of evidence to support your stand is that marching bands no longer call themselves " military" marching bands. But a rose by any other name......

The tradition in the US grew out of the military and most of the changes that have been made seem to add to the military flavour of the spectacle.

Here is a short list of the changes that have been made to marching bands over the last 100 years, see if you notice any one institution that is being heavily borrowed from. Now, remember these are additions to what was spawned by the military.

The fight song.

Color guards

They've adopted drum corps styled marching.

Flag, rifle and sabre units have been added to the modern marching bands

Those are the changes listed by Wiki to US marching bands for the last century. Wiki seems to be the only one interested in the history of marching bands though I could have read the individual histories of the bands at different schools. As spellbinding as that promises to be I took a pass.

Another point that jumped out was the statement that outside of the police and military, marching bands are most closely associated with football. I think that was my point in the original post on this subject.

To be fair I'll list the non military changes that have been made since marching bands "split" with from their military tradition.

They now use some non military formations and due to a lack of interest in marching bands by active military personnel the bands are made up of non military personnel.

I know, I know, it goes without saying I'll be repeating this course. Let me just say I'm looking forward to having you as an instructor again next semester.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: The Sundance Kid (Garth)

Link above.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 05:42:40 CET 2010 from user-24-236-77-125.knology.net (24.236.77.125)

Posted by:

Deb

Shhhh, Z. Don't tell everybody!


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Deb and Steve, everybody knows that marching bands are really more like... cults... wink wink...


Entered at Wed Jan 20 04:35:16 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Marching Orders

I get the distinction between Composer and Trad: arranged by. I just wasn’t sure why the credits in the discography (which seem to more accurate) were different from the published version in the definitive history. Were they updated after the fact, or did they occur independent of the book printing. Just curiosity. Either way it’s a fun song.

Steve I haven’t followed the idiosyncrasies of the marching band discussion in detail, but it occurs to me that the biggest difference is that the marching band carries big loud instruments, and the military carries big loud guns. It would be kind of tough to sneak up on the enemy with Sousaphones, saxophones, and trumpets a blarin’. However the pom-pom girls might be popular with some of the fellows in both organizations.

To tie it in with The Band, Paul Butterfield favored the MARINE BAND harmonica as his weapon of choice, and did battle alongside the boys with General Muddy at the Last Waltz, with Steady Rollin’ Bob Margolin on his six string shooter.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 03:37:07 CET 2010 from c-59-101-59-86.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.59.86)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Sherlock Holmes - It's Elementary: Bill, Steve (and on another topic, BEG)

Hey Bill: I thought it was terrific - ok, the plot was a bit ... outre ..., but Downey was not as far removed from the Holmes that Doyle envisioned as even say Rathbone was: but dont' worry Steve, I agree - Jeremy Brett IS Sherlock Holmes. Have you read'Bending the Willow' about Brett's approach to Holmes? It's very interesting...

ONe thing I noticed is that the credits call the organisation featured 'The Golden Dawn' (though the script doesn't seem to..): SPOILER ALERT : SCROLL THROUGH IF YOU HAVEN"T SEEN THE FILM - the Golden Dawn was a real organisation - the members of whom included Alisteir Crowley (The Great Beast - see Jimmy Page for more...). The Golden Dawn based some of its philosophy on Kabbalah. Did Guy Ritchie make a point about his ex-wife? Enquiring minds.... SPOILER ENDS

I'd recommend the film as a terfficially fun romp. Jude Law is one of the best Watsons. (Edward Hardwicke and Edward Burke are the best...)

What I liked about it is that the number of tributes and homages - the various quotes, the relationships with the police (both taunting (from Holmes) and frustratingly respectful (from the police). Downey apparently consulted Les Klinger (one of the top world experts) - and his performance shows that.

BEG - same email addy - I remain as obscure as ever!


Entered at Wed Jan 20 01:49:51 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The flatlands

Subject: High Winds and Heavy Seas

Cripes, Norm. I'm really sorry to hear that. Going out to sea when it's stormy was always terrible for me, because I never was much of a mariner. I remember thinking that not even a note from my mother would do any good. When things got really bleak I'd think about my home being on the other side of where we were going.

"...Gonna hit the road one last time.
we can walk right in and steal 'em blind.
All that money, all that money.
No more runnin, no more runnin.
I can't wait to see the Old Man's face
When I win the race. "

---"Bitter Creek" from the Eagle's "Desperado" album


Entered at Wed Jan 20 01:27:59 CET 2010 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Back to the heavy Seas

I got to get back out and deliver another load of "Iron". Just wanted to thank many of you for the prompt responses for the CD. Glad many of you are enjoying it.

It's been doing well locally, and on my brothers website as well, so I was rather surprised by the response. Every one keep well.................later.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 01:24:27 CET 2010 from user-24-236-77-125.knology.net (24.236.77.125)

Posted by:

Deb

Steve, let your conscience be your guide.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 00:18:21 CET 2010 from 21cust50.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.50)

Posted by:

Steve

Deb, I'm struggling with a conundrum that appears to have no upside for me.

You've mentioned watching the U of Alabama military styled marching band and I'm guessing you actually attended that university and weren't just enticed into the stadium from the rural countryside by the musical madness inside.

If you've had some college experience you know the problem I'm facing; To go for the top mark by giving the instructor what he or she wants to hear or let reality dictate the facts presented in the report. What to do , what to do? I'm preparing my rough draft with this in mind.


Entered at Wed Jan 20 00:15:25 CET 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279612648.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.86.232)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

My absolute favourite song.
"Heart Like A Wheel"...Kate McGarrigle on piano and her sis Anna who is accompanying her. Thank you for the song I would listen to when my heart was broken. I knew then I wasn't alone. Anyway, today again....This song is bringing up some sad feelings.

Some say a heart is just like a wheel
When you bend it, you can't mend it
And my love for you is like a sinking ship
And my heart is like that ship out in mid ocean

They say that death is a tragedy
It comes once and it's over
But my only wish is for that deep dark abyss
'Cause what's the use of living with no true lover

And it's only love, and it's only love
That can wreck a human being and turn him inside out
That can wreck a human being and turn him inside out

When harm is done no love can be won
I know this happens frequently
What I can't understand
Oh please God hold my hand
Is why it should have happened to me

And it's only love and it's only love
And it's only love and it's only love
Only love, only love
Only love, only love

dlew919....Did ya change your email addy? Are you now getting too well known in the academic field? ;-D



Entered at Tue Jan 19 21:16:36 CET 2010 from ip65-47-151-50.z151-47-65.customer.algx.net (65.47.151.50)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Subject: Live from O'Toole's

Now that I'm comparing Jan's two pages on the O'Toole's Tavern CDs, I'm confused. The setlists are largely different, at least by the standards of the material Rick & Richard were performing then...I would think they are different shows. Further, the bootleg show released previously says it's from Dec. 1, 1985, while the new official release says Dec. 13, 1985 (late show).

http://theband.hiof.no/albums/boot_o_tooles.html
http://theband.hiof.no/albums/live_at_o_tooles_tavern.html

Maybe the two shows are the early and late shows from the same night? Anyone know?


Entered at Tue Jan 19 20:52:43 CET 2010 from mail2.scisoc.org (199.86.26.15)

Posted by:

Rhyhtm Jimmy

Web: My link

Subject: Live from O'Toole's

Thanks, Joan, I should have known it would be listed in Jan's discography. I was not aware of the bootleg. The version I had heard of (but have not heard) is the 2009 "official" release (see link). The contents of the two are quite different, with the bootleg containing a lot more songs than the new disk.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 20:41:46 CET 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: L'il Liza Jane

Ah, now, the Countess got there first . . . 1916 . . . .

. . . found the Countess at Duke . . . .


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:58:25 CET 2010 from (12.173.121.217)

Posted by:

T-man

Web: My link

Have y'all seen Jimmy Fallon doing an impersonation of Neil Young? It's fantastic. Here's a link of him doing a cover of "Pants on the Ground" (from American Idol the other night).


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:54:11 CET 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Steve, I thought about adding a couple of smiley faces to my post. If you'll take those as understood, I'll read in the hee hees. I've often lamented the lack of a sarcasm or irony font and I suppose I needed one here. Don't worry. If you ever really tick me off, you'll know it.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:53:01 CET 2010 from ispool249.graybar.com (208.94.184.249)

Posted by:

Chris

Location: O'Fallon ,Missouri

Subject: Response

Please don't forget to include all amalgamated elephantitis modems


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:38:29 CET 2010 from 21cust232.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.232)

Posted by:

Steve

Woops, forgot already. Damn! Tee, hee hee. Better late than never.

Bill, don't try and send Dlew to see this wretched super hero movie. Don't go dlew, not if you like The Sherlock Holmes stories. Jeremy Brett IS Sherlock Holmes. Bill, I guess you'll be going back for the sequel?


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:38:00 CET 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Steve, just see what you can find. That's why they call it research.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:36:53 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Riding with another King

At the time the Hawks were touring with Dylan, Eric Clapton was garnering attention as an axeman with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers. One of his show pieces on the famous "Beano" album was a blazing version of Freddie King's "Hideaway". I've recently been enjoying Audio Fidelity's new gold CD reissue of that album, which features the mono version that presents Clapton's guitar more up-front in the mix.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:35:55 CET 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Subject: Typos

make that "to call these bands military"


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:29:46 CET 2010 from 21cust232.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.232)

Posted by:

Steve

Ms, Deb, If I might say one more thing about this assignment before I start, please. After I eliminate, marching, uniforms, weapons and formations from marching bands what exactly is left, just the music that we both agreed can be unrecognizable even if you know the song they're playing? I need to know what I'm looking for before I start. The pom pom girls, possibly?


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:29:43 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: The mere mention of 2112 has, I'm sure, prompted dlew to put away his Slim Dusty records and pull out his Rush collection.

Speaking of you, dlew, have you been out to see the new Sherlock Holmes movie starring RoDo Jr? A few minor continuity problems but very enjoyable all in all.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:22:05 CET 2010 from 21cust232.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.232)

Posted by:

The Idiot Caught Snickering In The Back Row

Deb, I should start peppering my posts with ZZZZ's tee hee hees so you don't take them too seriously. I bet it was the pom pom girls remark more than anything to do with those damn military styled marching bands that got me my next homework assignment.

Ms. Deb, I'll have my report on your virtual desk as soon as my computer can download that movie, so we'll say 2112, probably late 2112. Thanks for the marching orders.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 19:20:17 CET 2010 from cpe-24-59-18-32.twcny.res.rr.com (24.59.18.32)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Clapton/Freddie King

I saw them only afew months apart back in 74 I think, maybe 75. Clapton was at Saratoga Ampitheatre, a very nice place for shows. Santana opened and Carlos played with Clapton&band(I saw that line-up several times and really liked them) on their encore. They said it was the first time they'd ever played together. I saw Freddie King in a little club outside of Syracuse - it was the second and last time I saw him. Both shows were great, but I recall the latter show as one of my best concerts......


Entered at Tue Jan 19 18:38:23 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Academic in that Robbie would get the same royalties whether he claimed to have written the song or just the arrangement (for the trad. song). It'd be worse if Robbie had been claiming to have written something that was clearly somebody else's, like Levon did with the Young Jesse song in the late '50s. And even in Levon's case it could be said to have been academic as he'd've gotten the same money either way ($0.00).


Entered at Tue Jan 19 18:31:04 CET 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Steve, once you get a notion, mere facts just don't seem to matter, do they? What part of "there's nothing military about school marching bands" do you not understand? I understand that the linkages you make with batons and uniforms and formations may be vestiges of some distant military connections, but I don't know how to put it more plainly. No matter how much you would like it to be the case, high school and college marching bands are not military in nature. Any connection is so far in the past as to be insignificant at this point. As far as the murky beginnings of the American college and high school marching bands, you can Google just as well as I can. To say call these bands milliary is as farfetched as saying that your are taking on a militaristic pose when you sing in a major key.

BTW, check out the St. Aug Marching Hundred in the movie I just referenced or any of the bands in the movie Drumline and get back to me.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 18:28:18 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

"Arranged and/or adapted by" can also be a legal distinction when it comes to copyrights & publishing. It can be a grey area, but when it applies to traditional songs in the public domain, there usually isn't a problem. Much of what we consider in the field of early folk music falls into this category.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 18:08:00 CET 2010 from 21cust217.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.217)

Posted by:

Steve

Peter, I always thought songwriting credits were a monetary distinction. Now you tell me it's just an academic distinction. If you'd pointed that out to me years ago I'd have been able to sleep better. All those late nights trying to figure out Levon's creditable contributions to songs like Dixie were basically academic after all.

Deb, more marching band talk, eh. You and the other pom pom girls never addressed my "majorettes" question ( did I make it a question?). It sure sounds like a way to let the girls into the military ranks of those marching bands through the back door to me. Now, like in the fighting arm of the military, they're allowed to blow their own horns.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 17:53:26 CET 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

Subject: Oh, Eliza, Little Liza Jane

Liza Jane or Lil' Liza Jane is a song that shows up regularly in those "Our Singing America"-type song books used for elementary school music class and camp songs. I remember singing it as a kid in those classes, but it was one of those songs that everyone just knew at the time. The link above is to a Smithsonian Folkways recording of banjo tunes with Oren Jenkins's instrumental version of the song . It's a fixture of the New Orleans brass band repertoire, too. I'm pretty sure both the Rebirth and Dirty Dozen bands have recorded it and in the movie "The Big Easy", that's the tune the St. Augustine Marching Hundred is shown playing.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 17:43:03 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Imagined Village

On trad.arr by, check out the new album from The Imagined Village. It has two long versions of Scarborough Fair on it, restoring the song to Martin Carthy. Also it has a folksong version of Slade's Cum On Feel the Noize which is fun.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 17:21:00 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Liza Jane

With "Trad. arr. by" it's an academic distinction. David Bowie "wrote" his version of Liza Jane, after all. Ask Alan Price, Bob Dylan or Paul Simon, all of whom have "Trad.Arr." credits.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 17:17:15 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Condolences

John W., sorry to hear about the untimely passing of your brother. I’m glad that the two of you had such a close bond and were able to share so many musical performances together.

Charlie, Sorry to hear about the loss of your job. We’ve probably all been there in form one form or another, and things do eventually get better. It just takes time. Best of luck to you.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 17:08:38 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Go Go Liza Jane

That’s OK Steve. Things move pretty quickly down here.

Hey Bill,
I just double-checked. In the discography on The Band website here, it’s credited as “COMPOSER: Traditional; Arrangement: Robbie Robertson”. In my copy of AMH it just lists Robbie as composer. Maybe I got any early copy of AMH that was later amended, or maybe it just a typo. Since it is the “the definitive musical history of The Band” We’ll have to give him the benefit of the doubt.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 17:03:09 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Todd: Two possibilities present themselves. Either Robbie typed the credits himself and decided to pad his resume a bit, or the somebody else who typed the credits made a mistake (e.g., was over-hasty with the copy-and-paste function). You get to chose!


Entered at Tue Jan 19 16:59:05 CET 2010 from 21cust199.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.199)

Posted by:

Steve

Sorry for stepping on your post, Todd. I see we're 7 seconds apart.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 16:57:33 CET 2010 from 21cust199.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.199)

Posted by:

Steve

David, in AMH, where the credits are listed for each song, Robbie is upgraded to composer. This must just be an oversight on J2Rs part, we know he clearly understands the difference.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 16:50:21 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Liza Jane

Thanks David. But why would AMH list it as "Composer: Robbie Robertson" rather than "Trad. arranged by Robbie Robertson"? Is that the way that it's typically done? If I've learned nothing else here over the years, I've heard the mantra "arranging is not songwriting" many many times. In the case of traditional songs, (vs. contemporary) does arranger = composer?


Entered at Tue Jan 19 16:22:39 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Liza (with a Z for Marty) Jane

Todd: Actually, Robbie is credited with the arrangement on "Go Go Liza Jane", an old traditional song.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 16:15:22 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

My condolences to John W and Charlie Y.

More sad news with the passing of both Kate McGarrigle and Carl Smith. Their children, Rufus & Martha Wainright and Carlene Carter, carry on their musical legacy.

Ten days before his appearance at The Last Waltz, Eric Clapton recorded a fine live version of "Further On Up The Road" with Freddie King in Dallas. It is included on Clapton's 2-CD "The Blues".


Entered at Tue Jan 19 16:09:36 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Liza Jane

According to the AMH credits, Liza Jane is a Robbie Robertson composition....unless I'm thinking of the wrong song. If Robbie wrote it, then they should be able to perform it however they want. Is there another Liza Jane folk song that was used as "inspiration" for Robbie's song?


Entered at Tue Jan 19 16:08:01 CET 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: crossing the great divide

Emmylou Harris audience video of the Harris / McGarrigle / McGarrigle "Sailing Round the Room." With Colin Linden.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 16:01:23 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Thanks for the effort and the insights. Another thing to keep in mind is that "Liza Jane" is a folksong, and while it's not against the law to perform a folksong however you want, tradition is bound to push in a certain direction. By the way, "Liza Jane" is something they'd performed for years with Hawkins, I believe. Their version was even covered in the early '60s on an album recorded by a Hamilton group called Nicky Moore and the Sceptres. So as to maximise the potential for confusion the label listed the performers as Hank Gallant and the Sceptres when they released in on a 45. I guess they credited Gallant because while there are guys singing the chorus, it's otherwise a Duane Eddyish guitar instrumental. Gallant had previously been with Jerry Warren and the Tremblers - though before Stan Szelest and Rebel Paine, and even longer before Scott Cushnie, Pete Traynor and Sandy Konikoff.

BEG: Thanks for the
instruction. (We'll see in a minute if it works.) I'm not impressed by the thinking of Stephen Pate, a thought of whose you posted. I wish he'd said which aspects of “Up on Cripple Creek” and "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" he found to be Dylanish.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 15:18:33 CET 2010 from c-59-101-59-86.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.59.86)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Hey BEG (and JTULL)

Angelina - I'll try and dig out that article for you again - you might need to re email me so I can have your address - are you on Facebook? (JTull - look for me there, too, if you like...)

If you go to the 'Shape I'm In' article, my email is there...


Entered at Tue Jan 19 14:07:40 CET 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279546073.dsl.bell.ca (76.68.82.217)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Carmen....."Let It Be" with Robbie has been on Youtube a long time. Here it is again....Robbie can be such an elegant player. Love it! :-D

Eric's gig with the Band in Buffalo....I think the same year or the year before he was at Maple Leaf Gardens. It was the first time I saw him perform (with Yvonne Elliman). I was reading one review at the time when she was also trying to keep up with him....firewater wise.

"I've got fire water right on my breath
And the doctor warned me I might catch a death.
Said, "You can make it in your disguise,
Just never show the fear that's in your eyes."

All I can remember from that show was that it was a huge mess. Some people at the time thought that he wasn't able to play and that he had some of his music precorded that night?!

Bill M....for single spacing....slash b. It came back to me one day.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 13:59:53 CET 2010 from 21cust170.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.170)

Posted by:

Steve

I just heard that Kate McGarrigle died from a rare form of cancer. She was 63.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 13:02:43 CET 2010 from 21cust154.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.154)

Posted by:

Steve

You're right 140 years is a long time but I think, and I'm not sure here, but I think most of the brother on brother fighting was in the south and since the south didn't really allow blacks to join in it was white brother on white brother.

I guess you'd need to know what portion of the white population left those areas and what portion has remained.

I think his main conclusion was more based on te relationship between the population and the gov't.

I haven't read the book, just hear the interview.

Bill, I can't listen to Liza anymore. It's starting to remind me of Jimmy Cracked Corn on steroids.

It's really hard to compare it to any of the later and much better songs.

I'm listening to Cripple Creek as I type. In Liza they only sing one thing together, Go Liza Jane, over and over.

It's really hard to compare that kind of harmony singing with the other songs where they sing whole verses in harmony with different voices coming and going slipping slightly out of time with each other.

I'm listening to Jemima and it's almost like you have two guys singing two versions of the same song coming together at times then drifting apart. Listen to Rocking Chair then Liza and you won't need anymore from me to see what I'm trying to describe.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 12:59:06 CET 2010 from c-76-116-186-96.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (76.116.186.96)

Posted by:

carmen

Subject: RRHOF

Watching PBS this am and they were showing past RRHOF performances. Paul McCarthy performing Let It Be with RR and Bruce as well as others. RR performed the Solo and Paul just turned around and watched. Bruce at one point also walks over and just watches RR play.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 12:43:58 CET 2010 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: East Northeast

Subject: Carl Smith; The Pig

I noted the passing of C & W singer Carl Smith. To tell the truth I don't remember any of his songs but I vaguely remember a TV show he hosted that gave him a certain cachet with an older generation. Anyone else remember the show?

Anyone remember 'The Pig & Whistle' hosted by John Hewer (Captain Birdseye to some)? Much of my misspent youth occurred in a drinking establishment nicknamed 'The Pig', after that show. The Pig burnt to the ground one Saturday morning late summer c1985. The band that had been playing there lost all their equipment. The proprietor, Melv S., saw to it they were paid for the gig they missed and that they had replacement equipment for the following weekend. Melv died just before Christmas. If there were a publican's Hall of Fame he'd be my man.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 12:31:46 CET 2010 from (95.145.202.166)

Posted by:

God Of The Guitar

Web: My link

Subject: Rock Gods Killing The Weight


Entered at Tue Jan 19 10:45:34 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Further On Down The Road …

It hadn't occurred to me until I read it back, but that Birmingham, England gig was only three months before The Last Waltz. He's lucky nobody told Muddy!


Entered at Tue Jan 19 10:41:36 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Worst gigs

Clapton’s worst gig, as far as his reputation goes, would have been Birmingham August 1976. After a drunken racist white supremacist rant from the stage (chanting “Keep Britain White!”) where he expressed support for far right politician Enoch Powell, fans wrote to New Musical Express in disgust, pointing out that most of Eric’s music that night had been written by black people. Around the same time, David Bowie expressed support for fascism.

The reaction was the foundation of “Rock Against Racism” led by The Clash. Bowie later retracted his coke-fuelled remarks and apologized. Allegedly, Eric never has. He was in a seriously bad state from alcohol and drugs at the time, and he has cleaned up.

For details see Wikipedia entry “Rock Against Racism.” It’s probably got inaccuracies being Wikipedia, but it does give sources and his exact words, reported at the time.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 10:26:38 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Steve: The trouble with statistics and murder rates. With my morning cuppa I was looking at “Super Freakonomics” on just this point. They point out that in the USA television took four or five years to be adopted, 1948 to 1952. Places with early adoptions had significiantly higher murder and theft rates in the 60s and 70s than the late adopters. As content on TV was extremely mild circa 1950, they point not at program content, but at the medium itself (following Marshall McLuhan’s The Medium Is The Massage). They say that kids exposed in their first four years to TV had a significantly higher crime rate later than those not exposed.

But that’s the trouble with statistics. My immediate thought was, “But I bet the TV companies built their first transmitters in densely populated urban areas, and left the sparsely populated areas till last.” They admit that there could be other such factors. I’d say that it’s straight city versus country rates. So on the Civil War, given the degree of immigration and population movement, 140 years is one hell of a long time.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 07:27:34 CET 2010 from c-76-99-245-65.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: By the pond

Subject: Clapton's worst gig??

If anything, Clapton's (and everybody else's who played on it) was the Rainbow Concert.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 06:58:18 CET 2010 from cpe-24-59-18-32.twcny.res.rr.com (24.59.18.32)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Clapton/The Band/Buffalo

Beg and Pat's facts are correct re that show. He was literally carried off the stage after playing with The Band for one song and the audience wasn't kind during his wretched set. For the record, The Band and Freddie King both did good sets and were well recieved......


Entered at Tue Jan 19 06:12:53 CET 2010 from adsl-76-202-235-40.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (76.202.235.40)

Posted by:

Pat B

BEG, most Clapton fans think that gig is EC's worst ever. I believe Clapton actually came out and joined the boys for their last song, Chest Fever, probably as Garth finished Genetic Method. EC was incredibly drunk, abusing the audience as they abused him in return.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 04:55:03 CET 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279464233.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.19.41)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Learning To Write Great Songs
By Stephen Pate
January 15, 2009
Copyright 2009

"Robbie Robertson learned well: he picked Levon Helm’s heart and soul later to create Americana like “Up on Cripple Creek” and the “Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.” Helm had the heritage as a deep Southerner. Robbie was a Canadian aboriginal but he learned how to create real American songs using Dylan’s techniques. Later on he would mine his own heritage less successfully."


Entered at Tue Jan 19 04:45:09 CET 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279464233.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.19.41)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Eric Clapton, Freddy King, The Band- 1974-07-06 - Buffalo
Eric "Drunken" Clapton
1974-07-06
War Memorial Stadium
Buffalo, NY

"Members of The Band come out and join Eric on a disjointed performance of "Chest Fever" and then by all accounts, carry the drunken Clapton off the stage.

This show is interesting in much the same way as a gruesome car accident beside the highway - you don't really want to look, but there's a certain sick curiosity that makes you! Certainly only a recording for diehard fans.

An essential part of any EC collection - if only to see how bad it can get!"


Entered at Tue Jan 19 03:46:51 CET 2010 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Rhythm Jimmy

Description from Jan's site. The quality is good.


Entered at Tue Jan 19 03:18:27 CET 2010 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Little Willie John

Connection


Entered at Tue Jan 19 03:12:21 CET 2010 from c-75-75-20-70.hsd1.va.comcast.net (75.75.20.70)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Likes This

David, reading your title below for a moment my brain registered that I was actually on Facebook!


Entered at Tue Jan 19 01:57:22 CET 2010 from c-59-101-59-86.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.59.86)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Just watching 'The Partridge Family'

Noticed that they have a piano, organ, guitar bass and drums, and three vocalists ...


Entered at Tue Jan 19 01:11:38 CET 2010 from mail2.scisoc.org (199.86.26.15)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Live at O'Toole's Tavern

Has anybody here heard "Live at O'Toole's Tavern, Scranton, Pa., December 1985," by Rick Danko and Richard Manuel? What are the contents? How is the sound quality?


Entered at Tue Jan 19 00:06:36 CET 2010 from 21cust42.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.42)

Posted by:

Steve

You'd better run for your life if you can Little Lars, hide your head in the sand Little Lars, catch you with another, er wait, that won't do. Never mind.

Bill I should pretend I know which of the two lines you're referring to but I'm afraid I'll choose the wrong one. I always like better than 50/50 odds before making a wager, even with myself.

Lars your Civil War posts reminded me of an interview I heard with Randolph Roth the author of American Homicide,last week. In his book he graphs murder rates for different areas of the US and Canada.

His work shows that more than 140 years after the war the areas of the US with the highest murder rates are generally the areas where there was a lot of brother against brother fighting in the war, an example of a large part of the population being unhappy with the gov't I guess.

I think this is an extension of his theory, that he backed with stats, that the murder rate is lowest when people have confidence in and support their gov't.

Seems more centrist gov'ts like Clinton's and Eisenhower's brought a substantial drop in the murder rate while Nixon's caused it to soar.

He also uses his stats to explain the difference between the murder rate in the US vs Canada which he traces back to the way each parted from England. Canada's murder capital is Winnipeg. The murder rate is 3 per 100,000. This compares with the US leader, New Orleans at 36 per 100,000.

Was there a lot of brother on brother fighting down there? It sure shines a different light on killings in parts of the world where civil wars have been a part of daily life for decades, if he is right.


Entered at Mon Jan 18 22:10:15 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: I've Got A Feeling

No dice, Pump. For all I know that could be a song, too.


Entered at Mon Jan 18 22:01:20 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I'm not the kind of guy to call you a lying fraud, but why do you go and write a heartfelt plea to Lars when all I get is a single line that you poached from Leonard Cohen without attribution of any sort?


Entered at Mon Jan 18 21:50:16 CET 2010 from 21cust4.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.4)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I think I'll be able to describe the differences I hear very shortly. I'm trying to be precise instead of my usual vaguishness.

Lars, help, I need somebody, help, not just anybody, help, you know I need someone, helllllp. When I was younger, so much younger than today, I never needed anybody's help in any way. But now these days are gone, I'm not so self assured, now I find I've changed my mind I've opened up the door. Help me if you can I'm feeling down, and I sure appreciate you being round, help me get my feet back on the ground. So won't you please, please, help me, help me, help meeee oooooh?

@@

(~~)


Entered at Mon Jan 18 19:56:43 CET 2010 from vance007.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.186.7)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: I Haven't Got Forever, Great Offend(0

Still waiting for you to link to some music that I find less than great. NB.


Entered at Mon Jan 18 19:35:34 CET 2010 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Web: My link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hg-Me9QxXo


Entered at Mon Jan 18 18:31:02 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Homework

A 1964 revamp of Otis Rush's "Homework" was the best record released by Ritchie Knight and the Midkights, and certainly the one with the firiest Robbie-ish lead guitar work (by George Semkiw, later a noted recording engineer). Also the last one they did before Richard Bell joined in time for their second sub-Hawks record, "That's Alright" / "Work Song".


Entered at Mon Jan 18 16:46:15 CET 2010 from 21cust188.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.188)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I have to do a little more listening first. Stop piling on the homework, the only part about homework I was good at was avoiding it.


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Posted by:

Steve

Scott Cooper, director of Crazy Heart ( sounds like a must see for most folks here) was interviewed on Q this morning about Crazy Heart. Jeff Bridges shows his chops as a singer and picker playing a composite Merle Haggard and a couple of other rough around the edges aging country stars.

Cooper said he watched The Last Waltz several times without the sound( obviously can't follow instructions)so the music wouldn't distract him. He wanted to see how to film a concert and make it come alive.

He said he wanted to see how Marty moved the cameras to give you that being at the concert experience.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Lhasa de Sela and other things

The link above tells us that CBC Radio is rebroadcasting a Lhasa de Sela concert this evening. I believe it'll be hearable over the internet as well as the airwaves. (Coincidentally, one of the editorials in today's "Globe and Mail" was about on her recent passing.

Steve: Don't forget to check out "Rainmaker" when you pull out disc 1 to review "Liza Jane" for me. Also, the only marching band concert I've ever attended was a Shriners' event that an aunt and uncle took me to in the late '60s. It was actually some sort of battle of the bands, with three from the US and one from Canada. Montreal actually, with an Anglo-friendly French name along the lines of "Les Alouettes" or "Les Vogageurs". Like everyone else in the audience I was disappointed when they didn't win, despite being the liveliest and playing (and doing) at least a bit of "The Twist".


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Posted by:

Carmen

Some cool pics with Eric Clapton. This got me thinking - is there any new news on the new RR release?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Free newspaper cover discs

These continue in the UK, with yesterday's being Paul McCartney "Live in Los Angeles" which is the Amoeba Show from 2007 (wasn't that a TV show?) The economics are interesting. It's a very good twelve track live CD for the cost of a newspaper.I still don't believe that Hofner violin bass is an undoctored original either. I suppose it promotes the new NYC set.


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Posted by:

Kevin H,

this message is for John W....very sorry to hear of the loss of your brother...my brother Eddie alerted me about this..I remember meeting your brother at a gig...seemed like a cool cat..like someone from Queens..can't express the feeling but it's surely a wake up call for me/eddie....I did see the love you had for your brother....why?....because you introduced him as your brother........keep on keepin on...Kevin Hodel.


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Posted by:

Eddie H.

Location: Queens, NY

John W., my brother Kevin and I want to express our sorrow for your lose of Chris, your brother. We met Chris once at a Jim Weider and the Honky Tonk Gurus show in Teaneck, NJ. We remember that he was a gentleman and a down to earth guy. That was the night you gave us a ride back to Queens after we had missed the last bus out. A great night of music and we're surely glad we met you and Chris. John W., you turned your brother Chris onto the great music of The Band. That's what brothers are for! May Chris rest in peace. Take care, Eddie and Kevin.


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Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Bobby Charles

So sad to hear about Bobby's death. I've been listening to his stuff all weekend. I can't help but smile though, when I realize somewhere out there, Richard, Butter, Danko, and Bobby are partying and playin' music and getting into all kinds of trouble.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Please check the link, KYTEMAN with a trumpet solo to close the eyes.

Charlie, sorry hear about your job, sometimes you have to go through that to reach a better place, like my dad once did at age 56, I know you will too.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Louie Louie

To answer a question that got truncated by fireworks, or squibs, the pronunciation of louie Louie, taken from the CD compilation "Love that Louie".

The original version by Richard Berry is definitely LouiEE, LouiEE. In 1961, Rockin’ Roberts & The Wailers are closer to LouiEE LouiEE, but there’s a slight rise on the second –EE. Little Bill the same year is much the same, as are Paul Revere & The Raiders in 1963. The Beach Boys are LouiEE, LouiEE.. So are The Sandpipers, but they get near to LouiEE Lou-I

Apparently it was the Kingsmen who inaugurated the LouiEE, Loui-I pronunciation. Otis Redding followed that, as did The Kinks and Don Covay & The Goodtimers in 1967.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The right side (?)

Subject: The War

Pat & Gene- thanks for the input.

I don't know why, but I feel somewhat better about things when I think about Robert E Lee forsaking the glorification of war. To me, Robert E Lee was nearly perfect.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Gene, certainly more accurate than any other title.


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Posted by:

John W.

Speaking of oxymorons, and on a lighter note. I was talking about a good friend of my brother, who had moved to Philly a few years ago, but stayed very close. I said, "They only saw each other a couple of times a year, but they were inseparable." Then I realized, "well, that's impossible, but you know what I mean." Everybody laughed.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Civil War

That's quite an oxymoron.


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Posted by:

Pat B

First I'd like to extend my thoughts and prayers to Charlie, John W, Norm, and everyone here who has voiced their difficult losses.

I'd also like to thank Jan H for providing this GB a place in cyberspace. No matter the occasional grousing, this is a small community that has value.

RE Lee made no bones about his displeasure with the military after the Civil War (which is what he called it). He purposely marched out of step with the cadets from VMI when they had joint exercises with the his students from Washington College. He also wrote any number of times that he wished he had pursued teaching as a career when he was younger, saying it was better to teach youth that to militarize them. He encouraged the South to forget about the war--that God's will had been done--and to become good citizens again and respect the government. He purposely avoided any talk of resurrecting the Confederacy and went way out of his way to welcome Northern dignitaries to White Sulpher Springs, a vacation spot he favored. He certainly never wore any military trappings and refused to take part in any Confederate reunions. Lee was in fact the very antithesis of modern anti-government "patriots" who wave the rebel flag and glorify the Confederacy. Lee would have regarded them as terribly misled.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Marse Robert

Lars - I recall that reference to General Lee intentionally being out of step, following the War of Nothern Aggression, from the Ken Burns documentary, in a late chapter.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

John W. Sorry to hear about your brother. May his memory be eternal.

Mr. Steve is feeling blue about turning 60 in a couple of weeks. He needs to get over it and be thankful.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Deb

Charlie, I'm sorry to hear your news and I'm hoping that the next opportunity comes along quickly.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I think it was dlew919 who mentioned this long article on The Band a looooong time ago in one of the GB's....maybe Little Pink? Anyway, I forgot I saved it when it was accessed freely. Now you have to pay for the remaining pages. You could send the rest of the article to Jan H dlew919. Otherwise I could 'cause it's too long to post the 13 pages here.

Down Home with the Band: Country-Western Music and Rock, by David Emblidge © 1976 Society for Ethnomusicology.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I'm so sorry to JOhn D and Charlie Y.

It's nice that they consider themselves a aprt of the community. As a small, inconsequential part, I'm sending as many good vibes I can your way...


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Posted by:

Steve

Anyone else still having trouble with the term being used to describe the newest terrorist threat, "underwear bomber"? There's just something so incongruous between the words underwear and bomber. Every time I hear it in a news story it's like hitting a auditory speed bump.


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Posted by:

Ari

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Nice site


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Natives Sing It Their Way...Robbie's "Ghost Dance" in comparison to others who have written Native-themed songs.

(5/30/00)

1) A more knowing account of Native history. Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull as mystics and apostles, not just warriors. An idea that the Indian/Anglo clashes were about ideological differences, not just greed. A more thorough listing of Native people. (Not just the Sioux and Apache fought the US.)

2) No invocation of warrior imagery. In "Ghost Dance," prayer and love will win the day. This reflects the deep spiritual grounding of traditional Native cultures. Though Indian tribes fought with each other, harmony rather than supremacy was their overriding goal.

3) Finally, "Ghost Dance" looks forward rather than backward. This isn't an elegy of a defeated people, but rather a prediction of times to come. The tone is similar to that of the civil rights movement, which was also religiously based: "We shall live again," "We shall overcome." There's no doubt in the word "shall" that the outcome will occur.

That's the difference between stereotypical songs, even those presenting honest and valid messages, and nonstereotypical ones. The nonstereotypical songs are deeper with resonance and meaning. They're more real, in other words.]

John W....I'm very sorry that the new year has brought you sadness. You're the third person this year already who has lost someone in their forties. I'm very sorry for all of you.

Charlie Young...You're our best honorary Canadian here. You appear to love our country more than some Canadian posters. There will be something else out there for you. It just might look and feel a little different.

Thanks Northern Boy. I have to go back in a few months and see if things have changed. I guess a lot of us are getting wake up calls these days.


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Yeah, yeah

One more time. Mr. Bobby Charles.


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Posted by:

Amanda

John W.: I'm so sorry to hear about the passing of your brother. Take care.


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Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Growing weary of the march

One of America's greatest military figures, Gen Robert E. Lee, CSA, was singularly unmilitary after the South lost the Civil War. Reportedly (I couldn't find the source on this, so I'm doing it from memory), he reluctantly marched in a few parades in the late 1860s, and puposely walked out of step.

Pat, if you have a moment, would you check this for accuracy? I seem to remember that Lee turned his back on anything connected to his military service. The war was over for him.


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Posted by:

Peter V

My address is on any of the articles under Library. In general, this sort of move causes initial depression then very often a lightening of the heart and a feeling of new fresh possibilities and indeed, freedom. It takes a few weeks after you stop to feel it.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Thank You!

I'd considered not sharing the news here about my job, but when John shared the sad news about his brother I decided to do so. As John said, I feel a part of this community after posting and getting to know people here for over ten years, so I appreciate everyone's comments. My job loss was right out of the movie "Up in the Air," a sales job in which nine reps on the road will be replaced by four people on phones and computers. The savings will be big for the company though their sales will drop. Welcome to the incredible shrinking economy.

Peter, no, I don't seem to have your e-mail address any longer. You are right about the publishing business changing. There was just a study estimating three billion dollars in lost revenue due to piracy of digital books. Duh! I predicted that when publishers went ga-ga over digital books. I know people who lost their jobs in the music business for the same reason. One guy landed in the wine business (download THAT!) but some are still unemployed or underemployed.

One brilliant idea the band Eddie from Ohio is using to generate extra revenue at the three nights of shows they do annually here at the Birchmere in Virginia is selling high quality instant double CD copies of the concerts for $15 each. After last night's show, I'd say roughly half of the sellout crowd of 500 people lined up for their copies as they came off the CD burners in the lobby. Pretty brilliant. Tough times demand creative ideas, so I need to come up with one or two myself. In the meantime, thanks again.


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Posted by:

Steve

Charlie, too bad about the job. I think this might just be the beginning of large structural changes to the work force in North America and Europe. These times they are a changing.

Deb, Claire my point was the connection between marching bands and football in the US. We have plenty of football and pompom girls here but not with the military styled marching bands.

Claire's bringing in the other military accoutrements reminded me of George Carlin's football/military routine.

Aren't those marching girls with the batons, which I'm guessing at some level kind of represents a fighting stick, called majorettes, that sounds like a way to let the girls in on the military theme.

Anyway my curiosity was about the connection between the marching bands and college football. Maybe it would work better at indoor sports like basketball, better sound anyway.Glad some people like them. I've seen a couple of them live and they sucked musically but did great formation marching. Must take an incredible amount of work to do it well.


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Posted by:

Claire

Subject: Warriors

I wondered too, Deb, why Steve would connect school marching bands with the military. Both of our daughters were in pom pom squads that performed with their high school bands and I doubt that anyone would have mistaken their routines for military ceremonies.

There are, however, certain ceremonies at football games that have military connections. When the Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL played here, every game started with five men in military uniform marching down the field carrying rifles and then presenting the colors. There are also military jet flyovers, scaring the little kids. It does inspire a feeling of patriotism, though, that seems to energize the fans of the two warring teams that are about to take the field.

I'm sorry too, Charlie, about the loss of your job. It happened in my family also.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Charlie

Charlie, I am saddened to hear about the loss of your job. Even though we have never met, I feel like you are a friend and almost my neighbor. It is one thing to read about unemployment as a statistic, and another to either witness it or experience it first hand. I have had several recent meetings that went well, only to be told 'this will be our last', when I then learned that the person with whom I was meeting was being laid off. It is never easy, especially when you feel that your number may be next. Good luck I trust that better days are in your future.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Angry Sea

Bonk; I am fortunate to have an ability to be very calm in heavy weather situations, and not feel fear.....I can't explain why. I've always been that way. I was at first sort of amazed, until I thought about it. My son on his first trip with the tug & barge has the same emotional tolerance as I. Maybe the "like father like son" thing does apply.

Although I do get very pissed off at times, which brings about a very cold, calm, and "get it done" situation. But make no mistake, at my age now there are places I'd much rather be. Home by the fire. Rememeber that song, "The Thrill is Gone"? Well it definitely is. I've had enough of this shit.

The enjoyable thing about getting old is how you see yourself change, and your attitude towards things change. I hope (for all of us) for the better.

John W My sincere feelings for your loss of your brother. Some thing I never very often speak of, My brother who was next younger than me, we lost when he was only 21 in a logging accident. Besides the gawd awful empty feeling of his loss, the last time I ever saw him, I wasn't very nice to him. I've lived with that my whole life.

When my younger son was born, my youngest brother and I had a conversation, and so I named my son for my lost brother, Craig, and so my son's name is Craig. It is some what perplexing to me. I've thought about this now for so many years. My brother Craig was left handed, and so is my son Craig. My son is so much like my brother, it's like he came back to me. Having just spent 10 days at sea with that boy beside me thru what we went thru', is a bond that most people don't get to share and cherish.

So just as you have recalled John the things you shared with your brother, they are the things to hold on to.


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Posted by:

Joan

John W I'm sorry to hear of your brother's passing. My condolences to you and your family.

Charlie Y, I'm so sorry to hear about your job. I hope the music helps carry you through. Hopefully 2010 will bring new a new job and new horizons . Hang in there.

Marching bands: I was in my high school marching band. If you took band, you had to be in the marching band, I hated it. I played clarinet (badly). I quit Band my senior year so i could sit with my friends at football games.

My college has a dynamite band. They are the Ohio U Marching 110. They played in the Rose Bowl Parade this year. Fun to watch.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Very sorry to hear that, Charlie. Everything I hear about publishing every week is bad news. It's the same here. Every publisher is in trouble and cutting back … do you have my e-mail? I could say a lot about publishing, but it's probably not for a public forum.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

John W: I am sorry to hear about the loss of your brother at such an early age. He certainly had good taste in music.

I'm going through a feeling of loss this month myself since I learned back on the 5th that my job of the last 15 years (as of this month) will be over as of the 26th. Eight of my colleagues are in the same boat, some of whom have young children living at home. I'm thankful my daughter is grown and working as a teacher. Last night we enjoyed a great night of music by the Virginia-based group, Eddie from Ohio, whose lead singer is a recent survivor of breast cancer. My daughter bought advance tickets for us to see the Carolina Chocolate Drops on Monday evening, so I'm using music to help me through my loss this month.

Thinking that I've had ten years of life John's brother will not have makes me appreciate what I do have. Hang in there, John, and listen to some good music with your brother in mind. As long as he's in your thoughts, he will live on.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Sorry JQ, I meant to answer in the last post. I Googled silver and brass bands, and in the Southern English guide to bands section I saw it was around 50 / 50, with a few Pipe Bands as well. "Brass bands" makes me think of the film "Brass." I don't know the difference.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The Bournemouth Silver Band ranged in age from around twelve to seventy and while they wore a kind of military uniform, keeping in step was a problem given the assorted ages and heights, and marching in step with a tuba or bass drum must be hard. There were at least two genders as well. My aunt who was an army lieutenant in WW2 was extremely fond of jive marching, which American military bands used to do in the early 60s and took me to some pageant to see it.

Back to Louie Louie, there's a CD of assorted versions (I love Louie Louie?), and the one I like best is the Rice University Marching Band. It's really good with Sousaphones and tubas.


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Posted by:

Deb

Relax, Steve, threre's nothing military about those bands, even if they do march in formations and wear uniforms. Most of them also have young women twirling batons and "dance teams" who perform with flags (variously colored banners affixed to poles, not emblems of any particular country, school, or political entity) and wear decorously skimpy outfits. I can't speak for any other part of the country than the Southeast, but here most high schools have marching bands as well. For high schools, it's a way to provide some music education even in the smallest, poorest systems and a way for more than just the football team to participate in what is often the biggest thing going in town on Friday night. Almost all the kids marching in college bands started in high school. It gives the crowd something to watch at half time, enables more students to have a role in the event and it's just part of the football culture. (I'm aware that lots of people think that last phrase is an oxymoron.)

As to your inability to recognize Miss Otis, a couple of things are at play. One is that many songs, that one included, don't really lend themselves to arrangements for that kind of band. Another is the venue. Most of the places where bowl games are played, as well as many college stadia, have had sections added over the years to increase seating capacity. When I was a student at Alabama the stadium there probably held something in the neighborhood of 50,000-60,000 people. With the addition of an upper deck it now holds around 92,000 and will seat 100,000 when the latest work is finished over the summer. It played hell with the sound from the field. If the band is facing the opposite side of the stadium, it's damn near impossible to hear them. Add to that the fact that the TV coverage is set up to cover the game itself and not to provide good sound from field level. It's rare to see more than a passing shot of bands on the field at halftime during a TV game now. Marching band music may not be the highest form of musical performance, but it is what it is, the crowds and students enjoy it, and there's no connection with the military


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Silver Band

Peter V - In Nick Lowe's song Indian Queens he uses that term; is it a more tight definition than an ordinary brass band?


Entered at Sat Jan 16 15:45:54 CET 2010 from user-24-236-77-125.knology.net (24.236.77.125)

Posted by:

Deb

I'm very sorry to hear of your loss, John. My thoughts are with you and your family.


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Posted by:

Peter V

When I was a kid, there was always a brass band at halftime in soccer matches, but being on the elegant South Coast, we had a “Silver Band” not a brass band, but I think the colour of the instruments were the only difference. At big football spectaculars military bands are used, the Guards or Scottish pipe bands. It beats karaoke. It may have been one of my first regular exposures to live music.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family John. Too Soon Gone..,


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: deepest sympathies

John, I just missed your post last night. I am very sorry to hear about your loss and my thoughts are with you. Steve, I am actually not a football fan and times I went to college games growing up I was more likely to over-tailgate in the parking lot rather than go watch the game. My guess though is because one of the earliest rivalries was Army-Navy, their respective bands probably started the marching tradition that carried on to other schools. Just a guess.


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Posted by:

Lil

John W: Sincere condolences on the loss of your brother.


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Posted by:

Steve

TUll, Don't take this the wrong way, please. I'm almost afraid to ask but it's a question that comes up for me every Christmas/New Years.

What is it with the marriage of football and those military marching bands at halftime ?

Can you have a Bowl game without one, is it a rule or just a tradition.

They seem to be an American phenomena. We have football here but no bands.

Are they as popular anywhere else in the world?

My question even has a Band connection. During one bowl game the Alabama band played Miss Otis Regrets though if I hadn't heard the announcer introduce the band and the song they were playing I wouldn't have recognized it.


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Posted by:

Steve

Sorry to hear the news John. At 46 he was just a young man.


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Posted by:

Peter V

My condolences, John. Very sorry to hear your news. All the best to you.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: The Netherlands\Germany

John W, sorry to hear about your brother. know I’m with you. Of course I never knew Chris but I can see you're proud of him, you're blessed to have had such a fine brother. I don’t believe in God but also doubt sometimes. Anyway if there is a good place somewhere after our stay here after all, I’m sure he’s in the Garden sitting next to his musical heroes right now.


Entered at Sat Jan 16 05:29:30 CET 2010 from pool-96-224-46-238.nycmny.east.verizon.net (96.224.46.238)

Posted by:

John W.

Hi guys, I have not posted here very much lately, but I feel like part of this community, and I wanted to report the sad and sudden passing of my brother and best friend, Chris. He was just 46 years old. A top notch editor at Reuters, he was an avid rock and roll fan. Though his favorites were probably the Beatles, Springsteen, the Who and the Stones, he definitely appreciated The Band, and we had some fantastic times together over the years at some of Levon's shows, the reunited Band with Billy Preston, the Ringo tour with Levon and Rick, and he thought Jim Weider was awesome when we saw the Gurus at the Turning Point. I don't think he was ever on this site, but he did meet Eddie and Kevin Hodel one time. RIP Chris, I hope you are enjoying a John Lennon or Jimi Hendrix show tonight.


Entered at Sat Jan 16 04:49:27 CET 2010 from (66.183.129.27)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: CANADA

YEA, YEA, YEA, YEA, YEA. JAN. I'm sure when Sebastian gets back to us there will be weeks of great postings. There's only so much of the BAND history and anecdotes that we can talk about and then we run out of things to say. And most of it gets repeated every few years. I keep waiting and hoping for some new stuff to appear. In the meantime I enjoy some of the stories from other GB alumnae. And that means everyone. TUGMAN. I bet that you were shitting your pants last week as you were listening to the boys and trying to keep your boat afloat. Kudos to you man. That can be a real scary job. On another thought, I bet if Levon, Garth or Robbie ever come here they must think, fuck, these people know more about me than I know. Scary.


Entered at Sat Jan 16 03:28:02 CET 2010 from c-75-75-20-70.hsd1.va.comcast.net (75.75.20.70)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Every other forum I belong to, from sports to architecture to current events, all have the ability to register users and allow members to hit an 'ignore' button that hides other posters offensive to them. Unfortunately on Jan's site 99% of us would be ignored by the other 99%. Steve, I am not singling out your posts of this week. There is a poorly veiled anti-American attitude consistent throughout your body of posting. An anti American bias does not of itself offend me so much as always having it waved in my face.


Entered at Sat Jan 16 01:08:42 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

"crepes"....see "blitzes"......"


Entered at Sat Jan 16 00:39:15 CET 2010 from 21cust26.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.26)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, the Liza Jane harmonies sound more like most other rock and roll harmonies from that time period to me. I'm too hungry to go further at the moment but I'll give Liza another listen tonight so I can better describe the difference I hear.

Sorry, Lars, for the stuff before but the repeated thief remark with the added liar\fraud was a little much. But I truly apologize, but never intended to pass them off as mine. I was surprised everyone didn't recognize them immediately.

By the way, the lyrics were from a Donovan page. The Buffy page was really slow so I tried Donovan and bingo .

Todd you're right about the Haitian film students footage. They attend a video art school run by a woman from New York. There are 60 students in the school. Unfortunately their school is too dangerous to use anymore.

Even though it didn't fall the cement walls cracked and since re-bar isn't used in construction in Haiti the building will have to be knocked down if it doesn't fall on it's own.

Tull, why do you and others always confuse anti-military with anti- American? I don't think Pravda was an anti military publication.

Start with an open mind next time and read just what I say not what you're expecting me to say.


Entered at Sat Jan 16 00:23:59 CET 2010 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Jan, you know what I think. Shut the sucker down and let an "expert" create his or her own non affiliated Band site and Band related GB or Blog. The time is the right time. any time is the right time. There's people I will miss if you do. But that's life. Those who I want to,and those who want to converse with me, we e-mail. You can always create a much more limited GB check in type thing too. You could limit the amount of times a poster can post daily, weekly, and monthly you can limit the amount of characters. I know that you yourself are a free thinker, and woud like to allow people to be the same. When one considers what you are dealing with here, everything changes. You have been far too kind.

People will still check your What's New every day. People will still learn what the living Band members are up to. People who want to converse about The Band will possibly be behaviorly trained to do so more civily other places. One of The Experts could administrate a Band Experts Only Facebook page. Bumbles can administrate a Blues Is A Drag page.



Entered at Fri Jan 15 22:52:45 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Still no "Rags And Bones", but I did rewatch His Garthship at Wembley last night. An awesome display, as you've noted. Then I switched to AMH disc 1 for a run-through. I don't get why you don't find the harmonies on "Go Go Liza Jane" to be Bandish, but chacun a son gout. Now, the big question: Doesn't "I Want To Be A Rainmaker", especially the strummy strummy guitar, remind you of "Fly Little White Dove Fly" by the Bells? You too Landmark!

Non-Canuckistanis will know the Bells not for that song but for the next one, a huge international hit in the early '70s, the breathy "Stay Awhile" ("Into my room he creeps, without making a sound ..."). While the group no doubt did quite well from that one, the Bell who really hit pay dirt was pianist Frank Mills, who upsticksed to Bermuda on the back of his massive instrumental hit "Music Box Dancer", which nobody alive at the time could have avoided.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 22:22:14 CET 2010 from 76-14-21-245.sf-cable.astound.net (76.14.21.245)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ... Whispering Pines

Whispering Pines

If you find me in a gloom,
Or catch me in a dream,
Inside my lonely room,
There is no in between.

Whispering pines,
Rising of the tide,
If only one star shines,
That's just enough to get inside.

I will wait until it all goes 'round
With you in sight,
The lost are found.

Foghorn through the night,
Calling out to sea,
Protect my only light,
'Cause she once belonged to me.
Let the waves rush in,
Let the seagulls cry,
For if I live again,
These hopes will never die.

I can feel you standing there
But I don't see you anywhere.

Standing by the well,
Wishing for the rain rain rain ...
Reaching for the clouds,
For nothing else remains.
Drifting in a daze,
When evening will be done,
Try looking through a haze
At an empty house,
In the cold, cold sun.

I will wait until it all goes round,
With you in sight,
The lost are found...

The Band



Entered at Fri Jan 15 22:08:05 CET 2010 from mail.lumberg.biz (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin is my 'crony'? Really? I have said many things about her in this forum and none of them have been kind to her. Her daughter (Bristol) who had the kid, now she was hot. Steve, you did get my point. Count me among those who is sick of casually reading this board only to read your non-stop version of the old Pravda's anti-American diatribe. Respect is a two way street.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 20:53:26 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: In conclusion

In my book, flapjacks are more important than any of this. I'm going to google "curled up pancakes" and get some real answers. Steve- you know, "poutry is just another word for chicken" --Jack Nicholson in "Going South"


Entered at Fri Jan 15 20:35:56 CET 2010 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Mayhem

This conversation could certainly take a turn, and settle it down. It really seems quite futile and uncalled for to be railing on each other and saying hurtful things, particularly at a time like this.

Everyone, take a deep breath and consider this. While everyone here sits comfortably at a computer with the freedom to speak your mind without a gun pointed at you. With perhaps a cup of coffee or whatever your preferance may be close at hand. You are discussing the plight of human beings in absolute misery, poverty, pain of every description. Watching loved ones mangled and torn bodies being pulled out of rubble. Starving for water, food, love, comfort, and then being ravaged by plunderers who take advantage of all this. So PLEASE! try and make this a little less harmful.

In reality there are a few here I would like to have had a few on board the other night, when it blew so hard, it blew the stove pipe right off my fucking boat. Then the down draft in the stove filled the wheel house with diesel smoke choking us so we had to open the windows in that gawd damn gale. (That was just a small part of it).


Entered at Fri Jan 15 20:33:59 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: jan H

I must have been typing while you posted. Agreed, and feel free to delete my last post if it's a problem. Thanks.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 20:28:34 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Weight Of The World

Steve, I can’t speak for your cousin, but the thing that prompted me to post was less motivated by spirituality or religion and more about educating and feeding the children. I’d support that effort regardless. I was reacting more to the generalization that the plight of Haiti has been ignored until the earthquake. That may or may not be true from a Global perspective, but there are many people in my community and in others who have been aware of the intense poverty in Haiti for some time now and have been trying to do something about it in a positive way. Sobering video in the Haiti film students’ link that you posted.

Rather than pinning everything on the universal soldier, I think ultimately that Dylan’s Masters of War is a more appropriate protest song.

Right about now I’m beginning to see the wisdom of my late Grandmother’s advice to not discuss religion or politics. And that was before the Internet existed.

The frustrating thing about much of this is that we seem to have these worldly ideals that man should not fight and countries should not go to war, but if we collectively can’t even get along in an Internet guestbook related to a band in which we all share a common bond and love of the music, then how can we expect the rest of the world to co exist peacefully. Maybe Man is just hard wired to fight?

Years ago, most of the disputes here were Levon/Robbie based disagreements. The feud arguments seem almost quaint now in comparison to today’s theme. While it’s nice that that’s largely subsided, it’s kind of sad that we’ve resorted to attacking each other & their offspring. Unbelievable. Maybe we can start small and clean up our own house, and then worry about world peace once we’ve made some progress here.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 20:23:40 CET 2010 from pool-96-227-90-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (96.227.90.76)

Posted by:

bob w.

By texting to 90999 and putting the word "Haiti" in the body of the text you can donate ten dollars to the American Red Cross. They will confirm with a return text. It will appear on your cell statement. The Red Cross has already generated over 7 million dollars via this method as of an hour ago.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 20:23:32 CET 2010 from (85.255.44.145)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Stop it. Now.

No more insults. No more flame wars. No more stirring up ghosts and crap from the past. Take it to e-mail. Take it to anywhere but here. Thanks.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 20:15:00 CET 2010 from 21cust204.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.204)

Posted by:

Steve

But Lars, you've been wrong before and might be again and even if I could prove to you that you are I'd probably get the same response as last time. You said it best a couple of years back when you emailed to tell me you might be wrong about the dispute we'd had, but "YOU DON"T APOLOGIZE." Never a clearer statement have you made.

Bob, I know that you don't care. I can trace back to the exact moment you gave up caring.

Remember when you use to care. When for some bizarre personality quirk you'd cut and paste and email insulting comments made by BUMBLES to me if I didn't respond to them quick enough.

You used to care enough to even include what you thought were appropriate response for me to make to BUMBLES.

I was never tempted to use any of them seeing as how ineffective you were with your own jousting with BUMBLES.

But the exact moment of your end of caring was when I didn't take up your suggestion that someone( I'm guessing, me) should get right into the GB and give Bill a through thrashing for not living up to your personally high standards of friendship.

I won't go into the details as the other party is still a sometimes poster here.

But I think it was at that point you finally understood I was serious when I said I wasn't a "team" player and preferred my free agent status.

Besides your problem with Bill, which was bizarre to boot, was yours to deal with if you felt that strongly about it. Sorry Bill, I've refrained for years from mentioning this but I've had it with Bob and posted it here because in my mind it' a GB matter.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 20:05:42 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Lars: Just pipe down and revel in your non-conformism. Remeber, some pancakes are more equal than others.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:58:24 CET 2010 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Haiti/ Bobby Charles

The current tragedy in Haiti is only the latest in a series of awful things to befall that poor country. This quake follows on the heels of terrible flooding from the hurricanes this past year. The only good thing I can hope for is that after this immediate rescue is done,we remember Haiti and work to make them a functioning country. Good housing, water, food and most of all education. The corruption that is rampant there can be dealt with by a well fed, educated population. Perhaps with help, they could lose the name "The saddest country in the world".

Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson are idiots.

Bobby Charles: See you later Alligator. RIP


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:51:45 CET 2010 from (32.177.103.194)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Ringo on Well, Well, Well

With all respect for Ringo's drumming chops, that song's drumming sounds more idiosyncratic & angry-like than what I normally hear from him.

I still totally dig that number and have played it regularly through the years.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:50:43 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: Values

I fervently hope that this doesn't diminish any of my posts, but can somebody who knows cooking tell me why my flapjacks just curled up after I flipped them? It was a new recipe (& the pan was hotter than usual).

I'm still going to eat them, though.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:40:24 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

JQ: No, my previous comments weren't directed at you. Yes, Ringo was the drummer on the "Plastic Ono Band" album that included the song you mentioned.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:30:49 CET 2010 from pool-96-227-90-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (96.227.90.76)

Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, my point had nothing to do with you or your sons as, frankly, I couldn't care any less about you or them at this point. Give silence a try.

Empty Now, congratulations on what may be the most despicable statement ever posted in this Guestbook.

Jan H., I respectfully request that you leave that post up as long as possible.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:26:41 CET 2010 from mobile-032-172-053-168.mycingular.net (32.172.53.168)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Me?

David P - Was that rocket aimed for my head? I don't post that much & quite rarely about politics & related. It seems to be unfair & gross comment. Politics come & go here rarely, maybe in 1/2 day chucks one per week or so. And I like it. As with the majority POV about Serenity, just scroll on past if you're uninterested or don't like the writer's attitude or message.

If your comment wasn't meant for me then all apologies.

I was reading an article about Jim Keltner recently and it included John Lennon as one of his clients. Do you know if he was the drummer on Well, Well, Well? I can't find any info on that. There was an opinion in here that it was Ringo but I don't think it was firm. Thanks.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:10:09 CET 2010 from (41.97.202.110)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Lars

I entirely agree


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:06:25 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: shit -disturbing questions

EMPTY NOW- I hope Jan deletes your last post before you embarass everything you claim to be a part of. That was totally uncalled for.

STEVE- Again- you didn't mention the site or the source when you posted about "Soldiers." When you steal someone else's work, you have to live with it when people call you a "thief." How much of your intellect is really wilkpedia or Buffy St Marie? I have the feeling you've been getting by, for a long time, on a little bit of knowledge and a large measure of bullshit.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 19:01:41 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Pardon me for interrupting the learned professor's never-ending political lectures to his doting class of idealistic students. It seems that the self-appointed moderators have granted him full tenure and adopted his curriculum as the superseding dogma of this forum. Carry on.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 18:44:09 CET 2010 from mobile-166-135-254-222.mycingular.net (166.135.254.222)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Haiti & Cuba

Tull - It's intersting that you bring up Cuba. Although they have plenty of problems they are nothing like Haiti. And they' e made it for nearly 20 years now without any Ruskie help. Fidel & communism worked better there than anything we pushed down Haiti's throat; such as the recent removal of Aristide.

Be careful when you diss socialism too hard. You & your cronies like Rush & Sister Sarah (the GOP Now Girl!) seem to enjoy your socialized miltary, police & fire service as well as our very quaint library service (not like that freakish NEA) & the national parks, unless there's oil money to be dug up there.-

Haiti is a genuine mess & that reality has nothing to do with Castro or Chavez, too bad (& too often historically) we can't deny some responsility. You should look into the British empire's history of continual wars & terrorism, even down to their last 2 pissant colonies, and its steady & inevitable decline. I'd say it's well on time for us to get busy dismantling ours too.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 18:48:20 CET 2010 from (41.97.202.110)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Bob W, Lil

I wonder how many alter adults in this INTERNATIONAL FORUM dedicated to the love of The Band do share this narrow conception of PATRIOTISM, that is HOW ONE SHOULD LOVE AND SERVE HIS COUNTRY, in getting great pride from the beloved son who is sent 10,000 miles far away from the country in question to KILL defenseless children sons of somebody else. Dont' be shy to answer GBers, as long as you don't know how many scalps Junior brought back home the first 2 raids


Entered at Fri Jan 15 18:44:13 CET 2010 from 21cust174.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.174)

Posted by:

Steve

Web: My link

Lil, those words were in reference to Bob's usual posting style to me and others he has contempt for, sorry if I didn't make that clear. I don't doubt Bob's love of his son, why should I. I'm sure he would love him as deeply if he was a gay, anti-war protester.

Now I'll ask you a question if you don't mind. Bob knows I have two sons, so what do you think he meant by," his love for his son being beyond my comprehension." Care to comment?

Todd, I have a cousin who is a catholic priest who's been in Haiti for about 15 years. He's involved in the kind of work your church has been. In his case I know he wouldn't be there if it didn't include saving souls. I'd prefer my country financed teachers, doctors and others who could raise the level of education and health of Haitians without interfering in the spiritual lives of Haitians. They have an incredibly robust and far reaching spirituality of their own.

The link is for anyone who'd like to get a view of the disaster through the eyes of Haitian film students in Jacmel. It's a different perspective from what you'll see from European and North American news crews.

Lars, I checked and the lyrics still seem to be on the site I "stole" them from. In spite of that I may email Buffy and ask forgiveness.

Peter stop trying to cause trouble, I'm already feeling the howitzers trying to find their range.

Bill, Meow. It's not that tricky, really. It would be a lot less costly to maintain a corp of , we'll call them, reservists, who are trained and equipped to respond to natural or man made disasters here and abroad. We do it now for the military.We train thousands of people to be ready to go. Many reservists have spent their whole careers "on hold" for military service that never came. We'd just have to find a way to make it profitable for the people who are benefiting from the current set up. You just have to think outside the box a little.

God knows it's a higher calling for them to respond to disasters than occupying other countries for dubious reasons and if you believe those loonies who think climate change is going to bring more of the same we've got no time to waste.

Imagine what the response to Katrina could have been if it had received the attention to detail and cash the preparation for Shock and Awe did.Sorry Tull, I tried to respond to everyone but your post didn't have anything worth responding to, this post is long enough and I don't want to force Todd to get out his measuring tape. Just kidding Todd! Check out the link.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 18:07:41 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

What should appear, as if in response to JTF's plea, but a news story about Cuba letting the US use its airspace for Haitian-relief efforts. (I note that a sharp-eyed editor took the trouble to add the standard 'communist-ruled' adjective lest some of us have let our guard down.)


Entered at Fri Jan 15 18:01:14 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: I'm Misstra Know-It-All …

People didn’t get that Universal Soldier was a lyric? It was a bit easier for me, as Donovan had a very successful 1965 EP called Universal Soldier with his cover version which was heavily played in the UK. The Buffy Ste. Marie version is I guess relatively obscure.

Bill M put it very well. I’m sure we all understand that we need the services of the military to stand between warring factions and stop them killing each other (as in the Balkans), which is why the UN calls them “Peacekeeping forces.” And that’s an honourable task. It’s excellent to mobilise trained people in times of disaster, as the USA has been able to do. We’ve been mobilising Search & Rescue teams from the UK, the French have sent their mobile hospital etc. These are not all military either.

Where the point was being made, with one of the best-known (UK and Canada t least) “anti-war” songs of the 60, is that too often “peacekeeping” is a euphemism, and it shouldn’t be. I take that as a general point with which it’s hard to argue.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 17:13:52 CET 2010 from mail.lumberg.biz (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Steve

Steve, stop complaining. Barack Obama fixed everything the day he was elected, or don't you remember? Last I checked, the socialist paradise of Cuba was just off Haiti's border, and Venezuela is one of the most oil-rich countries in the world and is a banana boat ride from Haiti. So why don't you take some of your complaints to Seniors Chavez and Castro?


Entered at Fri Jan 15 16:13:21 CET 2010 from (165.112.214.210)

Posted by:

Ms. Know-it-all (Jan F)

Location: D.C.

Typically, humans can't go without water for more than 2-5 days,but this depends on the temp. The people in Haiti have time against them b/c it's been in the 80's or higher. So probably 2-3 days max.

Peter V, you can't get away with anything, don't you know that? How do I know?

signed,

Ms. Know-it-all


Entered at Fri Jan 15 15:44:13 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Haiti

Steve, It seems that you feel that the plight of the Haitians is a new story that just became apparent to many of us as a result of this horrific disaster that they’ve recently suffered. I don’t know if will help you to know that my local church parish has had a sister parish and ministry in Haiti for over 10 years now.

Aside from prayers and special intentions during Mass, homilies to raise awareness of the plight of the poor, and displaying the Haitian cross and flag in our church, here are a few concrete examples of other types of support that we’ve provided over the years.

Financial support to the school in Haiti that our parish built, subsidizing a feeding program for the students – one meal a day, establishing a scholarship program for graduates of the school, and providing funds for a textbook lending library for the students, as well as computers for the school and securing grants for a solar power installation. We have ongoing pledge drives and fundraising activities to help support these initiatives. Many of our parishioners have visited as well.

I’m not bringing this up for credit or thanks….the work is the reward, but just to make you aware of some of the activities that have been going on, without the impetus of an earthquake. Now, this is just one small parish and school in one small village in Haiti, but it’s a start. Even before the earthquake, there was still a lot of work to do in Haiti. Obviously the magnitude of this recent disaster is a major set-back and will require many resources from all over the world to help the people of Haiti. I think that there is a place for the type of support that the military can provide, as well as other service organizations.

I was watching a newscast about the situation in Haiti the other night, when one of the reporters asked someone what the singing was in the background. Apparently it was a large group of children spontaneously singing a song giving thanks to God. In the depths of this horrible tragedy, they still found it within themselves to give thanks. I think that speaks volumes not only of the healing power of music, but also of the nobility of the people. It certainly gave me some perspective.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 15:41:59 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: line-break dancing

It seems to me that before this GB disappeared (eventually to return) some years ago, it provided instructions on how to make a line break as well as a paragraph break. Anyway, I USED to know how to do it. But because a song broken up into line-long paragraphs seems to me to take up too much vertical space I now just let lyrics run on in a single paragraph - sometimes sticking in slashes if it seems poetic, but more often just treating the lines as sentences.

As for "Universal Soldier", I thought it read well as a paragraph. I see its point as yin to the usual yang, or yang to the usual yin - so a worthwhile (necessary) component of any dialectic. I'm sure that both Steve and David P would agree that it would be a very fine thing if every country in the world had a large group of trained people ready to fly halfway around the world on a moment's notice to engage in humanitarian efforts to help the afflicted without judgment or violence, provided - and this is the sticky bit - that's all they do. We could even call them 'soldiers' if that word were no longer to have another meaning.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 15:40:16 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: Universal Soldier

Steve- You put in the universal soldier post without mentioning that you stole the lyrics of a song. I have to admit that I suspected it was not your work, because there was a meter to it, but no, I didn't recognize it as a song until you told me in your next post. Even well known work should be quoted and credited, lest we think you actually believe you are blaming the common footsoldier for all of our problems with the state of war. EMPTY NOW- Thank you for your thoughts today. I think we're all feeling some of the pain from Haiti. If we don't get some massive amounts of water in there today, I'm afraid the people will become more desperate than they already are. Food and medicine are also important, but this is the third day after the quake. I was always of the belief that people can't go longer than three days without water, although there have been many cases where they have gone longer.

I'm proud that are troops were sent in, especially because we could have laid back and put the responsibility on the heads of the UN peacekeepers. The US doesn't want to own Haiti, everybody knows that. We are trying to save lives and I hope the Haitians understand that. The logistics are the hard part of any lifesaving effort. In the end, I'm afraid violence is as inevitable as death, but I'm hoping we can administer aid without it coming to that.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 15:37:42 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

You might get away with it though. I mentioned The Patriot Game a couple of weeks ago saying it was the same tune as WGOOS. No one picked up on it, and I got away with it.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 15:35:03 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, whatever you do DON'T POST THE LYRICS TO "WITH GOD ON OUR SIDE". If you did the shit would really hit the round revolving thing. Better steer clear of Blowing In The Wind too, even the "Before The Flood" version which The Band played on (memorably too).


Entered at Fri Jan 15 14:49:25 CET 2010 from host671420039130.direcway.com (67.142.130.39)

Posted by:

Lil

Steve: before I get accused of being part of some internet informant ring or whatever, let me assure you that I read this GB almost every morning while having my coffee (as I'm doing now). I have been doing this for over 10 years.. almost from the beginning of the GB.Coincidentally, this morning, there's you.. and there's Bob. So now I have a question.

I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt here and simply ask you to clarify your last post. Reading it, it comes across as you calling the words of a man who has great pride in his son's service to his country (as he should) "inane", "senseless", and "minimalist". I hope I'm just reading your intentions incorrectly.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 14:26:13 CET 2010 from 21cust122.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.122)

Posted by:

Steve

Bob, what sort of system is set up to get you back in here when there's something posted you might find offensive? Is this the system of internet informers ILLKKA, Man From Northern Countries, was going on about?

Whatever it was that got you back here I'm thankful for it. No one can do the senseless, minimalist post like you, Bob. I'll thank you in advance for keeping your inane posts to the fewest words possible.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 14:02:21 CET 2010 from pool-96-227-90-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (96.227.90.76)

Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, as the father of a United States Marine, a young man who has served two tours in Iraq and is now back in the region for a third time, someone who I love and care about beyond your comprehension, I find you as offensive as you set out to be. Take whatever satisfaction from that you wish.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 12:55:15 CET 2010 from 21cust106.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.106)

Posted by:

Steve

Lars, I thought the fact I was posting the lyrics from Universal Soldier would be obvious to everyone but guess the musical knowledge is not as wide here as I thought. My mistake.

I copied and pasted it and it came out as one paragraph. It's a lyric we should all be familiar with, don't you agree? The fact I referred to it as a song should have tipped you off.

David, Haiti is probably not on your radar screen between natural and man made disasters but life in Haiti is hell on a daily basis, this is just a speeding up on the natural death march of Haitians.

It's pathetic that in our hemisphere, so close to the most powerful country on the planet where 50% of all food produced it's thrown into the garbage , rural people in Haiti have literally been eating dirt for years. I'm sure the wasted food story is pretty similar here but the only reliable long term study done so far was in the US

In order to make their stomach feel full people buy a yellow clay mixed with flour that gives it a little protein. They've been doing this for years, slowly starving and dying from malnutrition and the other diseases that take you out when you live in a constant weakened state.

It's quite pitiful that it takes an earthquake of this magnitude for it to get our attention. My prediction is this rescue won't go smoothly.

Our Neo Con dickhead prime minister whose ratings are tanking thought it would be profitable for him to line up a camera crew and be filmed making a personal donation to the Red Cross. With his attitude towards foreigners and black third wold ones in particular I'm sure this was a first for him.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, I found your post on Soldiers deeply objectionable.

Your first sin was failure to insert line breaks.

The second was not to credit the title, Universal Soldier, nor the songwriter, Buffy Ste. Marie.

I'm sure that's the only reason it caused offence.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 10:35:07 CET 2010 from (41.97.141.53)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Lars / morning translation exercise

Steve : Lars link is one youtube -- Rolling Stone “Sympathy For The Devil”

Lars : I like the concept of soldiers with no flag – (in a nutshell) for a long time we grew up a crowd of The Band fans throughout the world who have a great consideration of you, for who you are. In all sincerity and objectivity, I don’t believe that throughout the world this could be enough to inspire more sympathy for the USA
********

my today rough translation exercise :
“Elli Qelbou Safi” , translate roughly as “He Who Has A Pure Heart” [audio linked] - text : Mohammad El Kamal, performed by : Salim Halali - 194?

Intro - ah ah ay ay My Friend listen to my advice and be pure in your intents, I am afraid that modern times may corrupt you, and then you shall project responsibility on Me

He who has a PURE heart, may God protects him, happiness is always faithful at his meeting, and God will reward him too
He who has a CHEATER heart, his face informs you, and his soul will never be disinfected as sieve exposed to dusty wind
He who has a COLD heart, he is not worth the speech, always following the mass he never acts by his own, he shall never get any profit and any loss
He who has a DIRTY heart, evil is in him, always rolling eyes, and everybody who shows him some respect will be contaminated by his behavior
Ah ah ah ah ah ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
He who has a CLEAN heart, his friends shall always recognize him, even poor he stays generous , and he shall never envy you for a terrestrial reason


Entered at Fri Jan 15 09:15:43 CET 2010 from ool-18b8eb17.dyn.optonline.net (24.184.235.23)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Dan Rainmaker

Dan, Rainmaker has a business connotation as well.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 08:47:59 CET 2010 from adsl-75-36-201-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (75.36.201.115)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

It's also worth noting that the late Bobby Charles was a co-composer of the song "Last Train to Memphis" on the Band's final album, Jubilation, and may (the credits are unclear) have also performed on the album.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 08:38:30 CET 2010 from c-76-99-245-65.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: found out a bit more

Subject: Levon on Bravo

On levonhelm.com , under "Latest News" there's a link to "Innovators in Music", Canadian Bravo's special on Levon and the Rambles. The link has a 1:15 blurb for the show. Alas, I could not find it in the US listings on Bravo's site. Not bad in getting the word out there, though.


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Posted by:

Roland Stone

Subject: Levon on Bravo

Guess it was a Bravo "Canada" only...30 min.(with commercials)More of the same, but fun to see the ramble and Jim Weider with his new haircut.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 03:09:47 CET 2010 from bas2-london14-1177748306.dsl.bell.ca (70.51.3.82)

Posted by:

Roland Stone

Subject: Levon on Bravo

Guess it was a Bravo "Canada" thing only. 30 min. long ( with commercials). But good to see the interviews, and the rambles.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: disappointment

Subject: Levon on Bravo

Ran to the cable box at 7:55, pulled up Bravo... nothing listed except a "Real Housewives of OrangeAss County" marathon. Back to the Bravo TV website, nothing found when searching under Levon Helm.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 01:09:26 CET 2010 from bas2-london14-1167881912.dsl.bell.ca (69.156.118.184)

Posted by:

Roland Stone

Subject: Levon

Levon is on Bravo 8 pm tonite ( in Canada at least )


Entered at Fri Jan 15 00:44:19 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bobby Charles … one of the best albums of the seventies. RIP.


Entered at Fri Jan 15 00:11:28 CET 2010 from mail2.scisoc.org (199.86.26.15)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Web: My link

Subject: Bobby Charles

I am sure I am not the only one to feel grateful for the hours of entertainment his music has given us over the years.

The link is to his obituary in the New Orleans Times-Picayune. The obituary mentions a forthcoming CD.

http://www.nola.com/music/index.ssf/2010/01/bobby_charles_louisiana_songwr.html


Entered at Thu Jan 14 22:41:42 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: See you later Bobby Charles

Yes, thanks John D. I'm now listening to the the Bearsville album. Am at "Small Town Talk", working towards my personal fave, "Tennessee Blues". I remember playing that song 12 or 15 years ago for a guitar-playing English friend who was in need of an Amos Garrett primer. Like most people he got lost in the interplay between Amos and Garth at the end, saying something like, "Sounds like they could've kept playing that forever." Nobody can, sadly.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 22:34:40 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

the dead end kids (Lars)

Location: usa

Subject: stealing lyrics

steve-perhaps you could "lift" another song.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 22:22:19 CET 2010 from 21cust240.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.240)

Posted by:

Steve

Location: Complete Ignorance

Yes Sir, general David Sir!!!!! You tell me what's happening SIR and I'll consider myself fully informed, Roger Dogger Over and OUT! SIR, Sir!


Entered at Thu Jan 14 22:19:53 CET 2010 from 21cust240.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.240)

Posted by:

Steve

Norm, thanks for the CD. It's great. I took it for a ski the first day I got it and you and I were singing together by the time You Ain't Going Nowhere started to spin.

Feel free to tell everyone you've sung with Steve. It's a great addition for any musicians CV. That's true unless of course you tell some one who's heard me sing.

You had Marge singing when it got to, Some Day Soon. I think Some day Soon and The Weight are my favorites though Watermelon Wine is moving up on the outside.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 22:17:58 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Thanks John D for passing along the sad news about Bobby Charles.

Steve: I suggest you refrain from discussing the situation in Haiti until you know what you're talking about, which is no joking matter. The conditions are so grim that relief efforts will require many of the non-combat skills that soldiers are trained to do. Most important at this point, since the airport control facilities have been destroyed, is deploying U.S. soldiers & equipment to coordinate all the aircraft traffic bringing in relief supplies. The military will also assist in unloading, escorting & distributing all those supplies throughout the country.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 22:11:39 CET 2010 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: John D

That is sad to hear John. I guess we are apparently all getting old.

Don't be such a stranger John. It's good to see your sign, and I hope you and yours are well. I think I've spun down enough to get some sleep now.

Best to y'all....in my jammies........


Entered at Thu Jan 14 22:09:53 CET 2010 from sannin29154.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.154)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Ahoy Westcoaster!

Norm: when you've got a spare moment, send me an e-mail. I seem to have "misplaced" your e-mail address. Gawd damn computer of mine! : )


Entered at Thu Jan 14 22:09:33 CET 2010 from host-92-13-47-65.as43234.net (92.13.47.65)

Posted by:

jack my dog

Subject: Bobby

Bobby Charles, what an artist.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 21:41:12 CET 2010 from ip65-47-151-50.z151-47-65.customer.algx.net (65.47.151.50)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

That is very sad news. RIP, Bobby. What a talent.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 21:35:11 CET 2010 from cpe0019e0103915-cm001868d92496.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (99.254.209.45)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bobby Charles Dies at 71

Bobby Charles who wrote songs like "Walkin' To New Orleans" and "See you Later Alligator" has died. The Band connection of course was with Rick Danko (co-writing Small Town Talk)and he appeared at The Last Waltz. The article in the New Orleans paper said he had become a bit of a recluse in the last few years. He had a bad fall and never really recovered. He was from Abbeville LA.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 21:05:00 CET 2010 from vance013.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.58)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Norm: Whenever you get around to sending the CD will be just fine. Just remember our arrangement, or I'll write an extremely NBish review of it here on the GB, which trust me , you don't want !

Jersey Girl: Thanks for your link and setting me straight on the nationality of Real Ones. I agree with you about it maybe being the most Band-like cover of The Weight, at least that I'm aware of. I thought the fiddle passage was very poignant.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 20:46:48 CET 2010 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: "After All This Time"

Just made the beach after 10 days @ sea. There is a lot of reading here for 10 days......so thank you all for your feed back. If I miss any communikay sent my way, my apologies.

One of the roughest trips I've ever had. I was lucky to have my son Craig make this trip with me. He's never done a tug and barge trip with me before, although in his growing years he spent a lot of time at sea on my fish boat This young man's 'savy" of what is required, his cheerful positive attitude is such a pleasure it made it the best trip I've ever had.

We had horrible weather a few times. About the seventh, we were in Beaver Cove up Van. Island loading bridges to transport to the operation where we were delivering 3 loads on my barge of equipment. By the time we were finished loading, it was blowing so hard we couldn't move the barge from the ramp. We put extra shore lines, so that on the seaward side we had 3 - 2" lines. forward, midships and aft on the barge. The aft line broke. We were able to reset it, and then spent the entire night on the leaward side of the barge running easy against it, holding it up the wind, so that no more lines broke. Graig and I did 2 hour shifts each all night, spelling each other off so we could rest a little. Much of the job went that way......but....it's done.

The CD I've finally completed is called, "After All This Time". It just seemed the only fitting name for the project. The cuts, (for any one interested) are:

Late Night Lady....written by Ed Molyski

Wild Country........Ed Molyski

Train of Cabarets.... Ed Molyski

You Ain't Goin' Nowhere.......Bob Dylan

Don't Worry 'Bout Me........ Marty Robbins

Old Dogs & Children & Watermellon Wine ..Tom T Hall

The Weight..........The Band

Some Day Soon .......Ian Tyson

Redneck Girl .......Bellamy Brothers

Up On Cripplr Creek........The Band

The CD can be purchased on line, from

desolationsoundstudio.com most all credit cards are accepted. By clicking on, "Buy Music" and click on buy hard copy of this music.

BILL MUNSEN!! I moved, last April, my new e mail is tugmanatshawdotca

DUNC! Just e mail me your address, and I'll get one to you.

Concerning Serenity's posts. I don't think it is hurtful to Serenity to know that not all of her posts are read. Very often, I scan thru them and pick out parts that interest me. I think it is impossible to say that every one is going to be interested in all of it. However there is always something here and there that mean something to different folks with different interests. How is that a problem?? If some one doesn't like it, DON'T READ IT! How in hell is that hard?? The only thing that matters is, if the web master has a problem with it, I'm sure he would dicreetly e mail her and discuss it with her personally with out being nasty as that isn't his way. It hasn't happened, so leave her alone! Hello to you Serenity.

I'm gonna go and get some gawd damn sleep. OH! Northern Buoy, sorry to take so long. I'll have it to you right away.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 20:40:19 CET 2010 from 21cust220.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.220)

Posted by:

Steve

David, you go with what you've got, what you've spent your tax dollars on. Wouldn't it be better to send a large group of trained specialists in natural disaster relief? It must be a waste of time and money to train relief workers in marching in formation, saluting and killing people.

Just think of the savings in space if all those weapons were left at home and more water and blankets were taken along in their place.

Then there's the other problem with the arrival of foreign armies, sometimes they just stay.

But your right in one respect, your country has the planet covered with potential military relief workers ready to step in and bring a little order here, there and everywhere.

David, you're becoming so damn argumentative in your old age.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 20:12:59 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Dunno. Likely Dave Marsh took a stab at it in his book about the song, which I haven't read. But if I were a speculatin' man, I'd say it was something to do with sex. Either that or uncertainty around how to pronounce 'ie' at the end of a word - for example 'Erie' vs 'Irie'. Maybe Richard Berry was just covering the bases in his efforts to charm? I remember reading Bette Midler 'splaining how her name came to be pronounced. Something to do with her parents naming her after Bette Davis, but without realising that it was supposed to be pronounced 'Betty'.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 19:52:08 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Steve Saint-Marie: American soldiers are on scene, with more on the way, to help aid in humantarian relief efforts in Haiti.

Bill M: After all these years, I'm still trying to find out what "Louie Lou-i" means.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 19:25:02 CET 2010 from 21cust205.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.205)

Posted by:

Steve

Lars, I thought that was the expressed view of the song. By, the by, your link didn't work when I tried it.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 18:45:59 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA
Web: My link

Subject: Sympathy

Steve- I don't think you really blame the Canadian soldier or American soldier (as well as other soldiers) for perpetuating war... or do you?


Entered at Thu Jan 14 18:17:30 CET 2010 from 21cust186.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.186)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Soldiers

He's 5 foot 2 and he's 6 foot 4, He fights with missiles and with spears. He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen, Been a soldier for a thousand years. He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain, A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew. And he knows he shouldn't kill, And he knows he always will, Kill you for me my friend and me for you. And he's fighting for Canada, He's fighting for France, He's fighting for the USA, And he's fighting for the Russians, And he's fighting for Japan, And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way. And he's fighting for Democracy, He's fighting for the Reds, He says it's for the peace of all. He's the one who must decide, Who's to live and who's to die, And he never sees the writing on the wall. But without him, How would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau? Without him Caesar would have stood alone, He's the one who gives his body As a weapon of the war, And without him all this killing can't go on. He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame, His orders come from far away no more, They come from here and there and you and me, And brothers can't you see, This is not the way we put the end to war.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Speaking of funky, is there an Urdu-speaker in the house? Specifically, I'd like to know the meaning of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's "Kinna Sohna". The song has the brass accents, beats and even the shout "Hit me!" of 1970-ish James Brown. Oddly enough, it starts with a guy counting out "uno dos tres quatro" - something that most of us know from Sam the Sham. I suppose 'kinna sohna' could mean 'woolly bully' literally, but surely not figuratively.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 16:00:08 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Everything He Does Is Gonna Be Funky

Happy 72nd birthday Allen Toussaint!


Entered at Thu Jan 14 15:20:49 CET 2010 from c-59-101-59-86.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.59.86)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Joe J

We crosspoted - in that I went to the sign in page directly... apologies...


Entered at Thu Jan 14 15:17:08 CET 2010 from c-59-101-59-86.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.59.86)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: RIP Teddy Pendergrass

Brilliant drummer...


Entered at Thu Jan 14 14:31:43 CET 2010 from c-76-99-245-65.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: another one from Mac

Two drummers walk past a bar... Hey it could happen !


Entered at Thu Jan 14 14:25:11 CET 2010 from c-76-99-245-65.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: drummer joke, from Ian McLagen

What do you call a girl on a drummer's arm?? A tattoo.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 13:44:47 CET 2010 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: RIP Teddy Pendergrass

Link is to a Soul Train video of 'If You Don't Know Me By Now' by the Blue Notes.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 13:04:04 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: USA

Subject: Empty Now

I don't always justify US military movements. However, I DO sympathize with the common soldier's plight.

"The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get." --Joe Walsh


Entered at Thu Jan 14 11:35:57 CET 2010 from (41.140.15.14)

Posted by:

agar815@calendarsync.com

Subject: salm

hello all


Entered at Thu Jan 14 10:33:09 CET 2010 from (41.97.145.68)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Bill M : Re - Om Kalthoum

Bill M: it is said that she doesn't use a microphone for a 14,000 people audience, is that true?... (desperate attempt to be funny funny) how my GB task will look like if i feel obliged to justify myself on every Arab music related thread ? (just like Lars feels obliged to justify the US Army move following the Haiti disaster, and any disaster following a US Army move in general)

GB regulars or GB newcomers, worthy The Band contributors or flashy The Band poseurs, narcissistic GB posters or humilitious GB posters, subversive GB voyeurs or mischievous GB infiltrators,...

all of you people will surely enjoy the [linked] 1978 Playboy interview "BOB DYLAN a candid conversation with the visionary whose songs changed the times"

long but worth a reading, deeply The Band related, and the famous passage where Bob Dylan declares Oum Kalsoum as his longlife favourite woman singer


Entered at Thu Jan 14 09:17:46 CET 2010 from (202.124.75.29)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: thanks NB; Ringo; drummer jokes ...

great version : thanks NB /n Ringo is also highly praised by mccartney, who calls him the go to guy for a shuffle /n Drummer joke: what do you call the person who hangs round musos? The drummer ...


Entered at Thu Jan 14 07:25:00 CET 2010 from ool-43531c9c.dyn.optonline.net (67.83.28.156)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Web: My link

Subject: Real Ones

Thanks for that link, NB. That's probably the most Band-like cover of The Weight I've heard. Don't believe the commenter who said they're from Argentina, though. They're Norwegian. They've got a wiki page with a link to their website, but both are in Norwegian. The link above should bring up an English translation of the wiki page, and if you click on the link to their website you can get that translated too. It doesn't look like they do much other Band material.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 07:03:16 CET 2010 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Young Hippie

It's just flashbacks.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 06:30:38 CET 2010 from s0106000a956fbfac.cq.shawcable.net (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Getting Caught on Camera Trespassing at Big Pink

Actually these guys are for real. "Real Ones" are a group from Argentina who, by the looks of it, felt indebted enough to make this pilgrimage to Saugerties to pay homage to The Band. And not too shabby a one either. They harmonize well and even share the vocals around a bit too, not unlike..... NB


Entered at Thu Jan 14 05:34:48 CET 2010 from s0106000a956fbfac.cq.shawcable.net (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Levon : The Weight

From a mid 90's Aids Concert. With John Hiatt doing "the Chester verse". Levon's voice is in fine form and there's lots of close-in camera shots of him, a la TLW. (Or were those of Robbie ? - I guess someone will have to go back and check, or have we already argued about that ?). Anyway, PLAY LOUD & enjoy - this means you, dlew ! (In 2008 Hiatt joined Levon again for this song during a Ramble at The Ryman Theater). NB Hey Beg, hope you're well.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 05:09:44 CET 2010 from 76-14-21-245.sf-cable.astound.net (76.14.21.245)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: ... Well Well Well ...

Far as I know it was Ringo ...

...Shall we all get into the "Ringo's a crappy drummer ..." rant now ? ...

... For the record I've always liked Ringo as a drummer. Seems John felt the same way as he used him on most of his solo studio work ...

... Then Jim Keltner was always one of my heroes as drummers go. I played drums for about 15 minutes "back in the day" ...

... Drummer Jokes ??? ...

... Hi Serenity ! I know your out there ...



Entered at Thu Jan 14 02:49:19 CET 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279612863.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.87.191)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Is this Levon channeling "the suits"? Or is he sending a message to Robbie? Come on now......Even I've learned to laugh and have some fun here. LOL
There are other photos from TLW as well and one you'd really like Serenity.
Hmmmm.....Sorry if I previously posted these photos.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 02:34:44 CET 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279612863.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.87.191)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thank you Jan F. Here's the entire article.

Patti Smith's New York Love Affair: An Excerpt From Her Memoir "Just Kids"
Smith looks back on her years of lean living - and artistic revolution - with the photographer Robert Mapplethorpe
Posted Jan 07, 2010 5:30 PM

"Afterward we drove (Patti and Neurith)up to Woodstock, where the Band was recording Stage Fright. Todd Rundgren was the engineer. Robbie Robertson was hard at work, concentrating on the song "Medicine Man." Mostly everyone else drifted off toward some hard-core partying. I sat up and talked with Todd until dawn, and we found that we both had Upper Darby, Pennsylvania, roots. My grandparents had lived close to where he was born and raised. We were also oddly similar — sober, work-driven, judgmental, idiosyncratic wallflowers."

Hi Jon L....Still seeing all the good shows in town, huh? I think the last time I ran into you was at Garth's gig with the Dixie Hummingbirds.

Hi Serenity. Once you check in you can never leave. ;-D


Entered at Thu Jan 14 02:07:47 CET 2010 from mobile-166-191-253-191.mycingular.net (166.191.253.191)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Jim Keltner

David P or anybody -

Do you know if he was the drummer on John Lennon's Well Well Well?


Entered at Thu Jan 14 01:36:32 CET 2010 from 24-159-151-255.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com (24.159.151.255)

Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: Patton?

Have you been using some leftover acid from the '60's? Please tell me, you have.


Entered at Thu Jan 14 01:21:43 CET 2010 from 24-159-151-255.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com (24.159.151.255)

Posted by:

Young Hippie

Laugh out loud!


Entered at Thu Jan 14 00:21:17 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Gen. George S. Patton

Location: The Western Front

Subject: A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week

My God corporal, you call this a battlefield? I've seen more hard feelings at a panty raid. Nevertheless, see that any man who posted in a bad mood today is shot.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 23:37:15 CET 2010 from 21cust2.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.2)

Posted by:

Steve

NB, you first !


Entered at Wed Jan 13 22:40:39 CET 2010 from vance005.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.50)

Posted by:

NB

Turpa kiinni.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 22:24:05 CET 2010 from 24-159-151-255.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com (24.159.151.255)

Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: "When all hell breaks loose"

I don't comment very often, because this gb is a battlefield. If you don't post the right thing, you are the enemy. I think some other posters need to grow the heck up. What do we have on here 10 year old posters or grown adults? By the way, people post their emails on here, too(not a smart idea). I do agree with Joan though maybe we have forgotten that this is THE BAND's website not a bitch-fest. I apologize to Serenity if she actually read my post. My advice is to not post if in a foul mood.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 22:12:33 CET 2010 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Subject: FE

Thanks Steve. I haven't watched FE in a while and I skip over that segment also. I usually just watch The Band's performances, Buddy Guy, and FBB (even though it's sans Gram and if Chris Hillman could screw up that song any worse, I'm not sure how!).

Speaking of Richard M. Nixon, Mr. Steve and actually watched the real Frost/Nixon interviews the other night. We had decided to watch them before we watch the movie version. Wow, that RMN was a political genius (probably evil genius) compared to certain other republican presidents.

J.F.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 21:46:33 CET 2010 from 21cust228.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.228)

Posted by:

Steve

Jan, they were drinking from that huge Canadian Club display bottle that Ken Walker insisted the store manager sell to them. If the manager didn't get someone to take it down from its perch Walker said he would have someone get it down.

Then Bob Weir explained how the bottle was laced with LSD and the train ride literally took off, or words to that end.

I never watch the intoxicated Rick segment, it's too disturbing./n I'll send you the kitty pictures .

NB, do you have to be decanted before you can be clarified. Is it related to that very, above the call of duty, humanitarian ( it was to a human recipient, I'm guessing, though you never clarified that)donation you made?


Entered at Wed Jan 13 21:20:18 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Taking a real hit in the public opinion polls

"Hold my beer and watch this."-- Richard Milhaus Nixon


Entered at Wed Jan 13 21:06:36 CET 2010 from vance005.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.50)

Posted by:

NB

Thanks Bill. I stand clarified. I guess I need to go watch TLW another twenty times. In hindsight I guess you should've told that juggling French teacher Mr. Leivo, that Edward Bear was actually a performing circus bear. That way he probably would've taken the whole class down to the gym and you wouldn't have needed to skip. It is equally bad timing that The Moderator of The Former Nordic Countries has bailed, as I just recently made the decision to learn to speak Scandinavian in my almost negligible spare time. NB.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 20:49:19 CET 2010 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Lars, I have often told Steve to "shut up" without results. Haven't had to resort to that lately. Now Steve, don't start something just so I'll tell you to "shut up." You could at least send me a picture of your new kitty cat.

Re: Rick in Festival Express -- I thought he was just drunk as Cooter Brown. I never thought that was funny anyway (from what I understand, some people do find it funny).

J.F.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 20:39:32 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Sorry Steve - trop subtile pour moi! Now that I know that you were just trying to draw my attention to Garth's cattiness in RaB, I'll respond by saying that I tried but failed to find a 'hard' copy of the song among my possessions. (I dumped the LP during a purge in the 20th century and haven't felt the need to get the CD.) However, Christmas is coming ...


Entered at Wed Jan 13 20:10:05 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Gold Brown Album

Simon: I didn't understand your post regarding the mastertape for "The Band". Steve Hoffman did indeed remaster the recent Audio Fidelity gold-CD version of The Brown Album from the original master mix tape. The master has not been accessible for use on any previous CD versions, which were sourced from later generation copy tapes. The versions of the songs from the album that were included on the AMH box set were evidently remixed from the studio multi-track tapes. Without giving the specifics, he has commented that the master was made available to him for the preparation of this release. My guess is that he, in the role of the mastering engineer, is not at liberty to discuss the details of how this was arranged, but the reissue was done under license from EMI/Capitol. That said, I would point out that the Audio Fidelity version will only be available for a limited amount of time, so you better pick up a copy now while you can.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 20:07:53 CET 2010 from 21cust202.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.202)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, you're right I could have said no but since the suggestion came from, Lars, I couldn't turn it down without giving it a go. I'll try anything once. All I can say is from now on I suggest Lars only recommend things he's personally tried and after giving and taking one for the team I'm guessing he's never tried it. God forbid, but if it was an olympic sport they'd put the degree of difficulty at extremely fucking high!

Bill, I'm guessing I'm not as good at getting what I want with a simple MEOW as our 6 month old kitten, Jaffar. Two or three meows, or as we call them , ME NOWS, he gets his point across.

In my case my meow was for Garth's meow in Rags and Bones. If you got 99 cents it probably can be had from I Tunes. Are you familiar with I TUNES? I'll reimburse the cost. IN this case inquiring minds need to know.

Dan, my man, there's a not so fine example of Rick partaking in a little liquefied LSD in that train car party on Festival Express.

Robbie also made mention , possibly, of hallucinogens in one of the songs you mentioned, Yazoo St.

The Saint Vitus dance phenomena that occurred on several occasions between the 13th and 16th centuries in Northern Europe is linked to the ingestion of ergot in rye( there's that festival Express combo again). Ergotamine is used as a precursor in the synthesis of LSD.

So I think I can safely say Rick did acid and Robbie wrote about it. Hope that helps.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 20:05:25 CET 2010 from mobile-166-129-252-172.mycingular.net (166.129.252.172)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Finns

Bill M - I find those folks to be very interesting. The area where we live, northwestern Oregon, was settled by Finns & Swedes. And they didn't get along well. The WW2 activities of both nations exacerbated the problem. They lived here in nearly complete segregation from each other, separate neighborhoods, a Finn bank, a Swede bank, etc and then the jokes. I've heard of inter-racial (their word) mixing that caused big problems well into the 80's.

I never knew that the Finns were descendants of Genghis Khan but you can see that in the Finn stereotypical look: short stature, generally round and vaguely Asian. We even have a Finnish radio program every afternoon and I've grown to like the music: it's pretty American sounding: a bit country, gospel/sacred (something you wouldn't hear from those atheist Swedes!), cheesy pop, etc and with some different instruments than I'm used to; a lot of accordions.

That's my lot, no offense I hope.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 19:42:47 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: hmmmm

I hadn't really thought about it, but the question is: did Steve actually go SCREW (that was the word I used) himself? I tend to doubt it. I think Steve knew that I was talking in a metaphoric sense. Anybody who's ever been in a contact sport knows enough not to take everything so literally. And, if memory serves, Steve did not strike back, which left me in awe, since I had no idea that he had that kind of restraint.

I'm not sure, but I don't think I've told Steve to go screw himself since.

BTW, Dan...not everybody in the guestbook was busy being unkind to Serenity. Nobody knows how many posters are in this place since many people don't use their real names. I suppose it's possible that there are really only 15 or 20. Nevertheless, the vast majority haven't bothered with it. Just as most people don't want to be bothered answering you.

"An alcoholic is someone you don't like who drinks as much as you do." --Dylan Thomas (1914-1953)


Entered at Wed Jan 13 19:14:38 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

First, a nod to Pat B for his sage advice to Serenity - Do whatever makes you happy. Just because somebody here tells you to do something doesn't mean you have to. For example, Landmark could've said no to my request to look in on Steve, and Steve could've said no to Lars' suggestion that he go fuck himself. The world's like that, and will no doubt continue to be for some time.

NB: To clarify, it was only Robbie who was promised more than Sinatra. Presumably one of the late-blooming reasons for the discord in later years.

Simon: I like Page's list. Interesting to see Pederecki (sp?) there, given Robbie's shared fascination. And Oum Khalsoum's presence would have gotten Empty's attention - and also Ilkka's if he hadn't bailed.

Too bad about Ilkka's timing, really, because I was going to tell him that the first Finn that I (and perhaps schoolmate NB) ever encountered was highschool French teacher Seppo Leivo. He had another one of those middle-part haircuts, as well as the manner, that made him look like Artie Johnson on "Laugh In". That, plus the fact that he walked like The Penguin, meant that a thousand kids were shocked beyond all comprehension when he waddled onto the stage at the 1969 Christmas assembly and proceeded to do a world-class juggling act - his original profession, as it turned out. NB, it was Mr Leivo's class that I skipped most of in order to catch Edward Bear in the gym.

Jan F: Since "Just Another Whistle Stop" was the last song recorded for "Stage Fright", and in fact was still being worked on when John Simon outlined the album to "Rolling Stone", then it seems likely that it was JAWS that Patti Smith saw Robbie working on.

Don't know which Band song is my top favourite, but "King Harvest" would be on the best-of EP - along with "The Weight", "Rocking Chair" and ...


Entered at Wed Jan 13 19:04:46 CET 2010 from ool-44c5ddd0.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

I think Serenity shouldn't be so thin-skinned. She knows the place. Besides, only one person made a D**K Head remark. Simon and Peter made suggestions but never said stop or call her a name - it was criticism. She could take it with a grain of salt. I simply stated that I sometimes read and know how to scroll on by when not interested. Serenity herself made the suggestion and observation so she couldn't have been too sensitive to that. She seems to be a very nice and warm person who enjoys sharing the tidbits she shares. They are fine with me, she shouldn't run away at the slightest hint that certain folks don't hold her in high esteem. She shouldn't give two winks what a minority of people feel about her. But if that is her choice, then.., what are you going to do.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 18:25:02 CET 2010 from pool-74-101-166-145.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.101.166.145)

Posted by:

Dan

Anybody ever notice Robbie's fascination with rainmakers? For example, King Harvest "Hey Rainmaker", Yazoo Street Scandal, I Want To Be The Rainmaker. You could also say Whispering Pines.

Everyone on this board was to distracted being awful to Serenity to answer my previous question regarding what type of voices each Band member had and if they were trippers.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 18:07:51 CET 2010 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Chemi Rocha - The Singing Brakeman

In which our geetar playing yodelling brakeman extends his influence back to Africa.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 17:46:16 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Weight on the Scales of Justice

It's fitting that "The Weight" is a topic of discussion this week in a non-musical sense, as Levon and his attorneys filed extensive pleadings on Monday in support of his lawsuit over the use of his voice in that song for Cingular cellular phone network commercials without his authorization, along with related allegations. The case, which was filed against the BBDO Worldwide ad agency, has been pending in the Supreme Court of the State of New York since December 2004. Currently at issue are defendant's motion for summary judgment and plaintiff's cross-motion for partial summary judgment. For the layperson, this basically means that the judge's rulings on these issues will determine whether or not the case will go forward to trial.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 17:30:25 CET 2010 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Web: My link

Did anyone else watch the PBS show last night, "Independent Lens: Young@Heart"? I laughted, I cried it was better than . . . American Idol (for sure). The guy who sang "Life during Wartime" really nailed it -- too bad he didn't get to perform it at the show.

J.F.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 16:57:59 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: US

Subject: Haiti

Steve and Pat: thanks. I have to admit that I'm not up to speed on the Haitian situation prior to the earthquake that struck yesterday. The first headline on the internet gave me the impression that the UN forces (9,000 troops) had just been employed there. After further research I am led to believe that the UN forces, primarily from Brazil, were already in Haiti and that their leader and over 100 personnel were killed in the collapse of the UN mission headquarters.

The Haitian photographs and survivor reports are heart wrenching. I hope the country gets all the relief that can possibly be sent. It will take time. In the late '60s, I was part of the US mission to address Caribbean crises and I'm only too aware of the logistic problems of moving people from US controlled areas (like Gitmo) and into the affected area (Port Au Prince). I hope I'm wrong about my apprehension regarding looting and civil unrest. That's based on the past and hopefully is not part of the future of Haiti, history not withstanding.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 16:07:16 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Mr. Toussaint has also appeared with the Levon Helm Band on the simulcast of the Imus In The Morning show a couple of times recently.

Geoff Muldaur did a great cover of "What Do You Want The Girl To Do" on his 1976 album "Motion". That record also included two other fine Toussaint covers -- the title track, featuring Bonnie Raitt on guest vocals, and "Southern Nights". This album was reissued on CD by the Wounded Bird label a year or so ago and I urge everyone to pick up a copy while it's still available.

Sad to see that the ever sweet & good-natured Serenity has been so unfairly judged by the Simon Cowell wannabes of the GB.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 14:28:39 CET 2010 from c-59-101-59-86.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.59.86)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Why 'The Weight' is my favourite song...

From that Costello clip to the dicussion following... it's kind of lame, I know - I mean, should n't a true fan like some random B-side or bootleg? Yet 'The Weight' ... to me, at least, perfection.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 14:14:34 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Peter M. Glad that you were able to get the tix. I only found out that I was going a day or so before the show when a friend called me last minute. I’m really happy that I made it. I can’t remember who played there first (Levon or Allen) , but I believe the year mentioned was 1959.

Your post length was just fine. Perhaps yesterday I was just trying to take the unwanted attention away from someone else.

Steve, we don’t really know how the redistribution of wealth is going. It’s kind of hard to get a lot of details these days out of Washington DC. It’s probably safe to say that the first part of the redistribution plan (claiming the wealth) is moving right along. Let’s see how the second part (getting it to the people who really need it) goes. If we run short we’ll print it or borrow it and apologize to our children for the mess later.

Sorry to hear about the disaster in Haiti. It’s beyond tragic.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 14:00:35 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Allen Toussaint 2007

I probably posted this at the time. It was done for elsewhere.

Allen Toussaint / Preservation Hall Jazz Band

Poole Lighthouse, 8th June 2007

The billing of this concert suggested that they’d be playing together, but basically it was two separate shows with Allen Toussaint as the support. He played grand piano solo and sang for just over an hour. The majority of the audience were there for trad jazz, so looked back to gathering rosebuds in the late fifties rather than Toussaint’s heyday in the 60s and 70s. His anecdotes about Ernie K. Doe and Lee Dorsey went straight over their heads for the most part. He carefully explained that he was a producer, not a lead singer and that he had spent his life in the studio. Katrina had sent him out onto the road. Toussaint had three mics on the piano, and unusually had the left hand mic (i.e. bass keys) balanced unnaturally louder than mid-keyboard and treble. As a result, while the melody appeared to come from the centre of the stage, the bass notes resounded from the PA well over his head. I wondered if this was accidental, but the Presevation Hall pianist returned to a natural balance, so I assume it was deliberate. The guy has an astonishing left hand.

He opened with an instrumental, then threw some early hits into a medley … A Certain Girl / Mother-in-Law / Fortune Teller / Working in the Coalmine. He focussed strongly on his work with Lee Dorsey and Get Out My Life Woman was outstanding. He kept the stories rolling in … he always made more from white covers than the originals, with the Rolling Stones take on Fortune Teller being a special financial pleasure. He said that Jerry Garcia and The Grateful Dead’s version of ‘Get Out My Life Woman’ was the biggest earner. I’ve never heard it and doubt that it’s up to the Lee Dorsey original nor that it sold as well, but perhaps they accounted fairly. More to the point, he mentioned that Walter Payton from the Preservation Hall Jazz Band had played bass on the original ‘Get Out My Life Woman.’ So what a shame that he stayed backstage for Allen’s version.

He praised Bonnie Raitt’s version of ‘What Do You Want The Girl to Do?’ extravagantly, did it well, but failed to mention that Lowell George’s solo version existed (and was the definitive one). He closed with a long monologue to Southern Nights which broke into the song. Magical. Later his work with Lee Dorsey, Ernie K-Doe, The Meters, the Neville Brothers got listed. They failed to mention The Band or Robert Parker.

After the interval, we got rather a dull video on Preservation Hall before they came on. I found the PHJB a little dry and academic for most of their set, but I’m not into traditional New Orleans jazz. I noticed that while each of them took a vocal and spoke, none of them seemed to have the New Orleans accent of Toussaint. Hmm, the EPCOT Centre version of New Orleans, I thought. But then they took off. Walter Paynton on ‘Shake That Thing’ lifted them. Then Toussaint came on and joined them on piano for a long ‘Just A Closer Walk With Thee’ which they did in two versions: the slow funeral version, which sounded like Count Ossie and the Mystic Revelation of Rastafari, then a fast version. Toussaint retired, and they got the audience dancing in a New Orleans second line then closed with ‘When the Saints Go Marching In’ and they revealed their magic. They had people in at least their late 70s dancing on stage, and a young kid was allowed to pound on the piano, and you could see why they continue to continue.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 13:19:35 CET 2010 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Piano Man

I had never heard Mr. Toussaint sing before. I knew him as an arranger/producer/writer/musician. I'll have to check it out.

I also have to check out what Ray LaMontagne has been up to lately. Very much enjoyed his first release; my neighbour's son could do a credible version of 'Jolene' which is neither the Parton nor the Dylan song.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 13:05:39 CET 2010 from 21cust120.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.120)

Posted by:

Steve

Lars, don't you remember the regime change that your country and mine conducted in 2004, I think Pat called it an unpleasantness.

If you follow the story line in Haiti it was a simple matter of returning the country to the people we think should run it regardless of who Haitians elect.

Jean Bertrand Aristides was doing what the ruling classes won't stand for, empowering the poor.

When the wealthy Haitians who live in New York and Montreal decided Aristides was rocking the boat and cutting into their influence US Marines and Canadian troops marched into the presidential palace and put him on a plane.

How's Obama doing on redistribution of wealth down in the US. Is it on the back-burner or back in the fridge?

HI, DEB.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 11:50:37 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Elvis Costello's Spectacle

There's more on Spectacle with interview clips on the Sundance Channel site. Pete Thomas from The Attractions is the regular drummer. He was once unlucky enough to get stuck on the same table as me at a wedding, and we spent an hour discussing The Band, with him carefully explaining (and demonstrating) why he thought Levon Helm the greatest drummer of all. That was 25 years ago. I'm really pleased he got to play alongside Levon.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 08:16:06 CET 2010 from c-76-99-245-65.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the turtle pond

Subject: That Spectacle thang (again)

Todd, Your recent mentions of the Spectacle show got me started again. My wife and I were going to New York for a week in September for our 25th anniversary. After we booked the trip, I heard about the taping, and its great timing coinciding with our stay. I contacted IFC for tickets without mentioning it to Mary and got back an email telling me to click here for confirmation. We got to NYC and I then sprung it on her that we were going to hallowed ground to hear some real favorite musicians. And, The Barn is a tough act to follow, but The Apollo ain't too shabby either. Problem was, I had to print tickets the day before the show, and my notepad/laptop couldn't do this. Frantic calls to the folks at IFC went unanswered, and we ended up just going ticketless and taking our chances. The guy with the clipboard monitoring the line outside listened to my tale of woe, and handed assured me he would TRY to get us in. A moment later, he came back to us and said something along the lines of "ah, shucks!" and put two tickets in my shirt pocket, saying that I should wait in THAT line now, rather than this one. The room felt like church to me. The Imposters were great. Nick Lowe was his ever charming self. He told the story of playing his song "The Beast in Me" for his hero and father in law, Johnny Cash, and then delivered a stirring rendition of the same. Years earlier, I'd heard the same story on NPR, but told by Johnny Cash hisself. Both men's versions of the song were soul rattling. Richard Thompson's admittedly "dark" songs pleased me even further. I almost yelped out loud when I heard him do the opening chords to "Shoot Out the Lights"! Allen's story about losing the charts to his horn parts for "Rock of Ages" was also one I'd heard before... but this time it was firsthand. And seeing those long, long fingers on the keys was yet another treat. He and Lee discussed which one played The Apollo first, in nineteen fifty what?? When this ensemble played "Tennessee Jed" it was (fill in another superlative). And I truly favor the way Amy and Larry Campbell bounce this one along with Amy's dad. Speaking of Larry, the cat can rocksteady on all this material so beautifully and with such understatement. Considering that he can hold his own when up there with Weider or Jimmy Vivino or Hubert Sumlin or Larry Packer, the guy's no slouch! I highly recommend seeing him at a Ramble when his mom is in the audience. Then on "The Weight" (TWO TIMES!!) Richard Thompson's contributions on vocals and hot spice guitar were surreal. Mary & I have been fans of Nick Lowe and Richard since we first met (1969 or so). I'd heard the story of Thompson wanting to join The Band, and had imagined his contribution to their sound for decades. Seeing it realized was like living in a dream. An additional bonus that night was seeing Steve Buscemi sitting there in the audience, obviously knocked out by this incredible cavalcade of talent. Real Music by Real Musicians, as Levon likes to say. (Sorry if this violates the "long post" guidelines, but you should see the unedited version). Another one of the best nights in my life aided and abetted by Levon. Sometimes, life is SO good I can't believe it.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 05:38:24 CET 2010 from adsl-76-217-115-147.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (76.217.115.147)

Posted by:

Pat B

Lars, the UN has had 9000 troops in Haiti since the 2004 unpleasantness. It sounds as though the entire country is now a rubble. Horrible.

The OQ approached The Weight many different ways. Originally RR played acoustic on it live which made it sound very rustic. Richard played organ on it and his theme during the walkdown after each chorus (heard way in the background on BP probably due to reverb leakage) made the song very different. Garth then started taking it way beyond the recorded version. Soon RR went to electric and the song became a lot harder and louder. During the 71 tour it slowed down a lot, and Garth continued to search for new places. RR would also extend the intro with a lot of interesting harmonic stuff and became a lot more active answering the singers. 73 and 74 found them a lot more raucous, especially the Dylan tour, and the tempo increased accordingly. That stayed pretty much the same through 76, becoming even more aggressive when they added horns on some of the shows. The 76 tour also found Levon doubling up the high hat with the group emphasizing each beat, making it feel like a march. Garth was really taking it out. But at TLW, Garth pulled way back and it moved somewhat closer to BP although there was some fiddle and accordian on it.

BTW Jeff, I think we were watching Shooter at the same time Sunday night. Levon's glasses were very entertaining and he was perfect for the role. It was a total surprise to me as I had no idea he was in the movie.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 05:01:30 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Weight

One of the bonuses of being at the Spectacle taping, was hearing that version of ‘The Weight’ performed twice in a row. All of the other songs were done only once, but on ‘The Weight’, Ray Lamontagne came out on stage and sang it without being introduced the first time. He hadn’t been scheduled for that show originally, but was in town since he was on the previous night’s Spectacle taping. The first version was good, but the second was even better. Elvis announced after the first run through that it would make sense to introduce Ray, since he hadn’t been introduced at the top of the program along with Nick, Allen, Richard, Levon and the rest of the band. It was the last tune of the night, and it was pretty cool to hear it twice. The crowd ate it up.

One of the things that makes it work so well is that the piano was very prominent, even with a lot of musicians on stage, and Allen Toussaint really “takes it to church” with his playing. Fine vocals all around too. I particularly liked Nick Lowe’s understated soulfulness. Another fine moment on organ is by Steve Nieve punctuating the Crazy Chester verse right after “caught up in the fog”. You can see him briefly right in back of Allen.

I’d like to retract my earlier advice about limiting posts to one page. I was really just “thinkin’ out loud” at that point and should have kept it to myself. What works for me might not work for everyone. It’s not for me to decide what other people do or don’t do. I should just worry about myself.

Right about now would be a good time to Zzzzz to swoop in and dispense some of his feel-good juju.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 03:31:32 CET 2010 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Deb

Well and judiciously put.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 02:03:07 CET 2010 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (64.12.116.204)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

I agree Peter, too often The Weight is performed in an anthemic manner, and at increased tempo. The Spectacle version returned to the songs root. Toussaint's voice hit home for Levon. There cain't be much Levon enjoys more than the great vocal sounds of his upbringing, Toussaint is a singer.

I only watched once but I didn't find much of the guitar fills or leads very gratifying. Levon's drums, the keys, Toussaints voice, that made it for me. Toussaint is a singer.

Re The Weight, back in the OQ days, The Band played with it sometimes. They changed the beat a hair. Just how someone felt that day. Subtle changes that all worked extrememly well. Watch the old videos , you'll see em.


Entered at Wed Jan 13 01:29:51 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Haiti

Two hours after an earthquake in Haiti, 9,000 UN troops are on the ground. I'd love to know where they came from and what status they were on. In 1970 it would have taken all day to move that number of troops. Just a matter of hours before the first looter gets shot.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 22:19:10 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Weight

Thanks for the link. Phenomenal! It gives a tantalizing glimpse of The Band if Richard Thompson had joined. Allen Toussaint mangled the words a bit, but you could see the real pleasure on Levon's face as Toussaint started singing, and also the frustration … Levon's mouthing along with it.

The Weight has reached a point where most versions are "Pass the parcel" but this Elvis Costello Spectacle version is especially good.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 21:59:27 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Lil, I have the answer! It's easy. Invite Serenity onto your site and she can post her lists there. That solves the problem, surely. Go ahead, do it.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 21:38:46 CET 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

I'm truly sorry that Serenity's feelings are hurt to the point of leaving. She's an extremely sweet person and I wish she didn't feel as if the lists are her only way to contribute to the discussion here. In all fairness, though, take note of this from her post last Sunday:

"Hi guys, I'm baaaack with more stuff. Hope you enjoy reading it. If not, just let me know and I will stop doing it. It takes time, so why waste it if no one is interested in reading."

Now this is like asking "Do these pants make my butt look big?" when you're hell bent on wearing them anyway. One doesn't really want anything but an affirmative answer. A couple of the responses were tactless and rude, but none of them came zinging out of left field unrequested. Rather than resorting to coarse language and rudeness like some other posters, Peter suggested a compromise position. But the question was asked. It's not as if anyone woke up and declared it "Pick on Serenity Day."

I suppose the answer to Serenity's question is that some folks are interested and some folks aren't, which can be said about all kinds of subjects that show up here regularly. The scroll key is often my friend and I won't make matters worse by saying what prompts me to use it. Obviously it's stuff that interests others. By the same token, I'm guilty of taking part in the political discussions that send some folks up the wall. I try not to introduce those topics, but will sure jump in when they crop up. I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what not to post, but I don't see anything wrong with someone responding to a question, even if it's not what everyone wants to hear.

Hi, Steve.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 21:09:58 CET 2010 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: Self-Important Ville, USA (aka Washington DC)

Steve, I know you and Deb are fast friends . . . maybe she'll come by just to say "hi" to you . . .

Lil, Yes. OK. Apology accepted. Look forward to it.

Band post: (sorry if this has been posted, but it's so exciting,and my self-important self wants to post it again!)

Levon is having Steve Earle & Allison Moorer at the Ramble on March 13! That might even get Mr. Steve & me north to Woodstock. We'll have to count our pennies first though.



Entered at Tue Jan 12 20:41:32 CET 2010 from 76-14-21-245.sf-cable.astound.net (76.14.21.245)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ... Fools and Monster's ...

Ship of Fools

Went to see the captain, strangest I could find, Laid my proposition down, laid it on the line. I won't slave for beggar's pay, likewise gold and jewels, But I would slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools.

Ship of fools on a cruel sea, ship of fools sail away from me. It was later than I thought when I first believed you, Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools.

Saw your first ship sink and drown, from rockin' of the boat, And all that could not sink or swim was just left there to float. I won't leave you drifting down, but woh it makes me wild, With thirty years upon my head to have you call me child.

Ship of fools on a cruel sea, ship of fools sail away from me. It was later than I thought when I first believed you, Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools.

The bottles stand as empty, as they were filled before. Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more. Though I could not caution all, I still might warn a few: Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools.

Ship of fools on a cruel sea, ship of fools sail away from me. It was later than I thought, when I first believed you, Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools.

It was later than I thought when I first believed you, Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools.

R.Hunter, Robert C., Garcia, Jerome J.

...Don't let it get to you Serenity dear. Take a break if you must but sneak back in later. I'll miss your trivia and comments. You know what they say about opinions and assholes. Everyone has one, etc. etc.

...See you later love...

...Unbelievable...



Entered at Tue Jan 12 20:28:43 CET 2010 from ool-18b8eb17.dyn.optonline.net (24.184.235.23)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Peter, Serenity is a sweet elder. You should be ashamed of yourself for bullying her again. Lil can take care of herself aptly, but it appears you are having a problem getting along with the women.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 20:27:59 CET 2010 from (131.137.35.77)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: be like Robbie

Brien Sz: I'm delighted that JRR will be on a stamp.

You can be on a stamp, too; see [My link].


Entered at Tue Jan 12 20:18:49 CET 2010 from cpe000c413b9937-cm000a7363c740.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Goodbye [again]

This is it. I'm gone again, and this time I won't be back. [only if it is a necessity ?] Not anything else. I want to thank everyone who has supported me,[ on this my reason for leaving].

Putting my lists together has been a lot of work and time-consuming. I am a huge fan of the BAND and that will not change. What hurts is some can do the same thing, but I'm the one that gets the insults,etc.

Until next time [NOT] LOVE AND PEACE XOXOXO


Entered at Tue Jan 12 20:14:55 CET 2010 from ool-44c5ddd0.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Robbies Facebook page has announced that Robbie will be featured on a Canadian postage stamp.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 19:38:05 CET 2010 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: The GB

I feel it might be good at this time to post this excerpt form Jan's Questions about the GB:

1. Why are people screaming at each other and posting insults instead of talking about the music and The Band? This is a phenomenon known as "flaming" or "flame-wars", that occurs in practically every open discussion forum on the Internet. It is caused by the distance and relative anonymity that the users feel when they are "safe behind the keyboard" and lower the treshold for insulting others. My advice is not to get involved in arguments on the net, you'll never win anyway. Also, you are kindly asked to follow these simple rules when posting in the guestbook: 1. Do not use the guestbook for personal messages. 2. Think before you post. Don't post anything you would not dare to say to someone face to face. 3. Do not post serious insults, personal attacks or too many four-letter words. 4. Respect that this is a web site in honour of The Band and their music We tolerate most entries though, but real serious insults, entries with too many four-letter words, and heavy personal attacks will be removed from the guestbook

I think that sums it up.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 19:36:39 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Still at it

Seeing the name of Ed Voci makes me smile. The dirtiest hoop player I've ever met. I still have the scars. I wonder if he stepped it up a notch and starting sitting in with the Gourds with only one symbal.

Illka- it's not like it used to be. Good luck.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 19:28:32 CET 2010 from ool-44c5ddd0.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Simon - I found Palin's initial rise in the political scene inspiring because she wasn't of the usual silver spoon ilk. She had no "ins" in the game to carpet her rise. She initially was fed up with the situation in her town and got invloved. She worked it and got elected - if her looks helped, well thats just that then isn't it. She then took it to the next level and became a successful mayor and then decided to root out the machine that had driven and corrupted Alaska politics for years and cleaned house. When the McCain camp brought her front and center, I don't think they calculated the pandora's box they got. Do I think she is qualified to sit as President - no. But Obama sure is showing that smarts don't mean you are a good leader either (for another time).

As for the end times folks - I find them funny. In fact Harold Camping predicts the world will end for non believers on May 21, 2011 and that the whole universe will then end on October 21, 2011. As for these religious zealots controlling the White House and setting off nuclear destruction - I don't believe in it. We already had Bush and he didn't come close. Palin won't win. I generally don't give those types of people much thought or worry - as Calvin Coolidge once said - if 10 troubles are coming at you, 9 of them will run themselves into a ditch before you even have to worry about it - I ahve found this bit of wisdom to be so true. AS for the zealots - If that is what gets them through their day, fine - its their day. I live next door to an end of timer family. A bit nutty they are but the best neighbor I could ever ask for. These folks are the nicest most generous people I've ever had the pleasure of living next to. Hey - they may be off their rocker in my estimation but they believe the Lord will dictate the course of history and who am I to tell them what they should or should not believe. We have some great discussions on the topic but in the end it really comes down to how "you" think, no one else.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 19:24:51 CET 2010 from 21cust226.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.226)

Posted by:

Steve

Bill, MEOW!

I'm starting to wonder if you might be on the recipient end of the planet's one and only " successful" brain donation. Say it ain't so, Bill, please say it ain't so.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 19:18:53 CET 2010 from 21cust226.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.226)

Posted by:

Steve

Jan, you seem to have completely misread the way Deb and I get along here. I look forward to Deb's occasional appearances here. I sometimes make a J2Rs post to get her in here to say hello. Now, I'm relying on you to pass that info on to her.

Lil, I think Peter's problem with you might just be moderator envy.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 19:09:13 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We're talking about discussing music. The point is that Lil only appears to discuss personalities, aggravation, posters or whatever. I was saying 'There was good stuff about Levon yesterday.' There's loads of it on Youtube to watch and talk about. it's not as if we're bereft of Band related possibilities.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 18:36:00 CET 2010 from host671420030130.direcway.com (67.142.130.30)

Posted by:

Lil

JanF: Oh.. now I get it. Unless one's opinion here is in direct agreement with the opinion of the pompous, then it automatically stirs trouble. Now there's a stupid concept if ever I heard one. Sorry if my interjections here don't meet with your over-inflated state of self-important approval.I'm entitled to whatever opinions I have (just as you are) and I'll continue to share them here as I like.

Have a great day.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 18:30:24 CET 2010 from (41.97.220.152)

Posted by:

Empty Now

the year of Ed's post was 2003, of course, as everybody knows


Entered at Tue Jan 12 18:29:35 CET 2010 from host-90-239-70-33.mobileonline.telia.com (90.239.70.33)

Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Goodbye

After ten years in this gb I say Goodbye! Most of the interest posters are gone for many years ago. God's blessings to NORBERT and EMPTY NOW!


Entered at Tue Jan 12 18:18:36 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Long Posts

Simon, I’m also a fan of the legendary posts by Al Edge. They’re kind of like Bruce Springsteen concerts….marathon sessions but well done and quite often inspirational. He may be one of the the exceptions re: long posts, although I enjoy reading what many people write here. Especially if it's offered in the spirit of sharing which many people do so well. I just feel that if a post is legitimately worthy of being more than one page, then it's probably worthy of being published as an article on the site, rather than a guestbook entry. It would probably preserve it better and be easier to find for the long term.

People can post as much length as they want. The one page guideline is just something that I strive for personally as I don’t consider myself to be a “writer”, and I need the forced discipline to stay to whatever point that I’m trying to make. Otherwise I would ramble on, which I’ve done from time to time.

Re: Palin, I don’t understand why someone who is not taken seriously by many is someone that anyone who is confident in their own abilities or their chosen representatives should be worried about or feel threatened by. And I think that the degree of digging into her private life that went on is embarrassing. I wonder if that divorce of her’s that I first read about in these pages ever materialized, or was that just a rumor.

The best statement about her impact that I’ve heard, was that "her splash was a mile wide, but only an inch deep”. It’s critical enough without being particularly nasty.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 18:22:51 CET 2010 from ool-18b8eb17.dyn.optonline.net (24.184.235.23)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Gawdamn

Simon, Brien, no this is not a religion related post. Lord knows that subject is usually way over my head.

But biblically speaking, this GB needs the wisdom of Solomon now more than ever. And I'm thinking where is Norm? No compromises. Serenity, now, or Peter. Who gets to keep the baby?


Entered at Tue Jan 12 18:15:11 CET 2010 from (41.97.220.152)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: This Day in History

Simon: my favorite The Band GB post ever is from Ed Voci, Wed Jan 22 08:00:00, Location: Illinois, Subject: Happy Birthday Robert E. Lee: " The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down " and A Reconsideration of the Most Famous Chorus in Rock & Roll

post which was followed a few posts later by a post from I, as officially recorded by The GBs archived genealogy:
Wed Jan 22 13:06:29 posted by Empty Now : Subject: TNTDODD
Ed: Fantastic!...I'm really...impressed....and i never doubted of the usefulness of the GB...

which btw makes me just realize that over the years i still post the same constant, unvarying, and boring stuff that disturbed nobody...
it's not one The Band GB regular is better or worse than one other The Band GB regular, in reality... one GB regular is just different than one other GB regular


Entered at Tue Jan 12 18:11:23 CET 2010 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

IMHO, it’s up to Jan H. if he wants to bless or censure Serenity's posts. He knows how many copyright laws are being broken (lots), and if that's OK with him, I'll just scroll by if not interested.

Lil, I believe a while ago Steve accused Deb of showing up only when there was "difference in opinion," on the GB. In her case, when someone was commenting on Robbie in a derogatory manner. Sound familiar? Not the Robbie part, of course.

Oh, and I have a Band related item -- hopefully it hasn't been posted as I'm not taking the time to go back and check posts: In the latest Rolling Stone, there is an excerpt from Patti Smith's new bio, "Just Kids" that mentions a trip to Woodstock and visiting the studio where THE BAND was recording Stage Fright. She mentioned how Robbie was working hard writing a song, everyone else (with the exception of Todd R.) was off to party. She spent the rest of the evening talking to Todd. The book will be available on January 19.

Norbert, my e-mail is: jan_at_home at sign verizon.net Let me know if that doesn’t make sense.

Jan F.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 18:09:11 CET 2010 from 21cust206.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.206)

Posted by:

Steve

Brien, not wanting to be lumped in with those hate-mongering atheists ( I don't give god enough thought to really fit the atheist definition) but I'll take your statement to the next degree, I know creationism is a fraud. I say that with the same authority that I can say those Wall Street bankers who almost took down the planet's economy are fraudsters.

I think the anger exhibited by Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris can be compared to the anger felt by people who see the con game being played by Wall Street and want it stopped before more damage is done.

Besides in today's world you have to be angry to get noticed. FOX has figured that out.

Simon, I kept waiting for some UKer to do a musical take on Mrs. Robinson but it doesn't appear to be forth coming.

I was hoping to hear someone explain why it's the family values, anti abortion anti gay anti everything but the status quo crowd that crash and burn so spectacularly. No one even cared to answer the mathematical question that's always of interest to Canadians in these affairs of state; how many times does 18 to into 59?


Entered at Tue Jan 12 17:38:49 CET 2010 from host671420030130.direcway.com (67.142.130.30)

Posted by:

Lil

Peter Viney wrote: "I'll ignore "Diamante Lil" who will seize any opportunity to stir trouble on her visits."

Gee, it would be nice if someone pointed out where in my post I was stirring up trouble. I replied with my opinion, as others have also done (I noticed that no one else who replied was accused of anything) and simply feel that what's good for some here should be good for all. One person should not be singled out for something that everyone is more or less doing.

Grow up Peter.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 17:35:47 CET 2010 from host86-142-91-143.range86-142.btcentralplus.com (86.142.91.143)

Posted by:

Simon

Subject: Mastertapes for "The Band" / Brien & my earlier comments

Lest anyone think I've forgotten the purpose of this guestbook let me ask a question that has been weighing on my mind for some time. It concerns the whereabouts for mastertapes relating to "The Band" a/k/a the brown album. There was much made of the recent Audio Fidelity release of this album, the gist being it used tapes that were one generation closer than any previous issues of the album. I'd like to know if this is the case because I've heard differently. If they existed why weren't they used in 2000 for the remasters or 2005 for A Musical History?

Now, I have a feeling that Steve Hoffman is telling fibs when he says they were sent to him. By whom exactly? Rumour has it that Levon is actually in possession of said tapes. Is this the case I wonder? If true it's a bit of a shame that the fans don't get to hear arguably one of the best albums ever in the best possible quality, a CD version that would rival or better the earliest Robert Ludwig pressings. Is it wrong for me to wonder aloud about this? If it's true there's a part of me that kind of thinks there's something admirable in the stubbornness; then again there's a part of me that thinks it's a damn shame, I mean, what is going to happen to them eventually? Will they end up on a bonfire or something?

Like I say it's a big if and I pose the question respectfully without meaning to be nosey but you've got to admit it's odd that it has never come up before in these pages. And I think it's a matter of record that all the 2000 remasters except "The Band" used the best possible tapes. To be honest I don't particularly feel a needed to hear an improved version of the brown album as I think Andrew Sandoval's mastering is great (and he doesn't get the props he deserves) but still I can't help wondering about what might have been or might still be.

As for my previous comments about Palin, well, let me assure Brien that I am anything but vile, condescending and spiteful in 'real' life. About the likes of Palin and religious con merchants like Falwell and his ilk - You betcha. I kid you not. I think it's a duty to rip them as much as possible. (I assume that's what Brien meant by "and others".) They deserve all that and more. Anyone who claims 'He' talks to them and anyone who believes in End Times and wants to be in power and possibly have access to the nuclear codes is dangerous. They can take their eschatological drivel and shove it where the sun don't shine. And I'd say exactly the same of various powerful influence wielding fools in the Middle East. As Frank Zappa said/sung "It won't blow up and disappear/it'll just look ugly for a thousand years."

Why should my nearest and dearest be brought closer to nuclear armageddon by a few people who crave destruction based on cobbled together ancient texts? I suppose they're all gwine up tuh hebben but we're not. That makes it alright then, I suppose.

Brien, the question "what is the evolutionary need of religion to mankind?" is a good one and I couldn't really say anything about that in any depth. If I had to it would be our early fear and wonder at natural phenomena. Solar eclipses, rainbows, thunderstorms, earthquakes, tsunamis. An outcrop of that coupled with our fear of death and inability to come to terms with it. Suffice to say it's great question. Not to finish on a sour note so take this the right way because I'm genuinely interested and I apologise if you didn't say this but I seem to recall you said Palin was inspiring or an inspiration. How so? If it's because of her rise and undoubted hard work then how can you overlook the other nutty religious End Times stuff? I'm genuinely interested, not trying to be a smartarse. Her comment about the fruit fly was one of the most revealing, I feel.

I stand by everything I said about powerful religious con merchants and although I don't drink at home I most assuredly will crack open a brew or three or four when the likes of Pat Robertson croak. Tough shit if anyone is offended by that. I certainly wouldn't say that about Palin but then again she's not an out and out hatemonger. I just hope she doesn't run in 2012. Or ever.

Finally I'd just like to point out to Todd that IMO the best posts ever in the GB have been by Al Edge who was always a joy to read and 9 times out of 10 posted long posts. If I had to pick a favourite it would be his post about Music From Big Pink from December 28th 2002. By his standards that's almost short. Long posts are almost always great and welcome when someone takes the time to put their thoughts down, especially when it's about music in general and The Band in particular.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 17:26:42 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Spectacle

Joe J, Thanks for the link to Elvis Costello spectacle show featuring ‘The Weight’.

I was at the taping of that show at the Apollo theatre, which was a lot of fun. I was sitting up in the balcony near the jib camera. It was my first time ever at the Apollo, which was a huge thrill for me. The stage is a lot smaller looking in person than it looks on TV. Very intimate place to see a show. All of the performances were well done and the reverence that all of the men on stage had for The Band was palpable.

There were many great anecdotes and stories by the guys. I’m not sure how much made it to the final broadcast, as I’ve not see it yet, but Nick Lowe talked about how The Band rehearsed at their house/practice space on a trip to the UK. I can’t remember if it was before the Isle of Wight show or a tour in the early 1970’s, but Nick talked about The Band playing his band’s (Nick’s band Brinsley Schwarz) equipment in their space and how all of a sudden it just sounded better when The Band was playing.

Allen Toussaint talked about his first trip to Woodstock when he was working on the horn arrangements during the Cahoots/Rock of Ages era, and how it was immediately apparent to him that he would have to fit his arrangements into the Band’s sound. He talked about how their strong and well-defined sense of who they were and how they approached music was very clear and that they knew “exactly” who they were and what they were doing.

He mentioned losing his original charts during a mix up at the airport and having to redo them and how that was actually a blessing, because his ideas and approach to how the arrangements should be, changed after he met them in person and he had a better idea of how to fit in with them.



Entered at Tue Jan 12 16:57:50 CET 2010 from blk-222-220-109.eastlink.ca (24.222.220.109)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: The Weight

Link is to Elvis Costello's show featuring Levon, Larry, Allen Toussaint and a few fellow dancers.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 16:50:47 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: All day long

Subject: ALL day long

"When it comes to handling a pick ax, I can go all day long." -- Jack Nicholson

"In my last year of school I was voted class optimist AND class pessimist. Looking back, I realize I was only half right." -- Jack Nicholson

"I'm talkin bout ALL DAY long!!!"--Jack Nicholson

"...ALL DAY LONG!"--Jack Nicholson


Entered at Tue Jan 12 16:48:43 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'll ignore "Diamante Lil" who will seize any opportunity to stir trouble on her visits.

No one wants to be unpleasant, but two or three people had started the question, and I think it's important. OK, some guys discuss baseball. it lasts 24 hours and is related to something current. That's conversation with pals.

Something political happens and people react. Also conversation with pals. It'll be hot for a day or two and fade.

What a couple of people protested about, and I agreed were tons of stuff on a daily basis of this nature:

In 1972, the luxury liner Queen Elizabeth was gutted by fire while docked in Hong Kong.

All quotes below by Elvis Presley “When things go wrong don't go with them”

What other insects pollinate plants?

Moths and butterflies pollinate flowers in the same manner as bees

5 years ago [2005]--MC Hammer performs the nuptials for Motley Crue's lead singer

In 1949, Los Angles notes its first recorded snowfall.

None of it's relevant. None of it's interesting. There's lots of it. Sorry, but I think such stuff should be a personal group of trivia swappers, or on another site. It doesn't react to passing events (as do sport or politics interludes). It's piles of trivia that are there circling around for ever. There are books and books of this stuff.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 16:43:49 CET 2010 from ool-44c5ddd0.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Posting

What people post - i generally don't care. I am in the camp that believes if you have to scroll more than a click while reading it, it's probably too long. So with Serenity's posts, if they are overly long, I skip them - it's easy to scroll past. Some stuff interesting, others.., my finger can handle it. With that said - I know this is a music site but as it has been rehashed a million times, this place has grown beyond a simple music only site. It's a community with a myriad of personalities who bring all kinds of stuff to the table - positive and negative - it's a daily habit or semi-habit for most. We've long ago discovered that is you want to be a regular of the community you'll need a tough hide to stick around. But when you do get beyond the sometimes initial gruffness, there is much to unravel and enjoy. I know I don't contribute much in music talk but I'm bonded with this community with my love of the Band not the machinations of music in general.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 15:22:51 CET 2010 from ool-44c5ddd0.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Where I think creationism is a fraud - I've also read the work of Dawkins and Hitchens and find them to be angry and hate-mongering in their own way - they kind of have that condescending/spiteful/vile attitude that Simon displayed in his venom towards Palin and others. Nice to see how that positiveness moves us all forward in a good way. Now where Dawkins and Hitchens make very astute points for their reasoning of atheism, they have as much ground to base their arguments in an "ultimate being" as the zealots of religion do - who i find equally obnoxious. Dawkins, for me, asked a great question that has always stuck with me - he postulates that essentially everything in existance is so because of its evolutionary need - if that is the case - what is the evolutionary need of religion to mankind? That is a fascinating philosphical question. Now if the four horseman of athiesm would stop being so angry about things, they would probably come off better.

I believe the well of the univierse is far too deep for the shallowness of man to determine what is and isn't true when it comes to the ultimate question.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 15:19:38 CET 2010 from host671420030130.direcway.com (67.142.130.30)

Posted by:

Lil

I don't see anything wrong with Serenity posting her lists if she wants to. They may interest some people, and those that aren't interested can simply scroll by.

My question here is about the comments made that perhaps Serenity should should stick to music related items since people coming to this GB for maybe the first time looking for music discussion could be put off by other stuff. While I like the idea of limiting the items to music, I'm curious why some of you here feel that people would be put off by posts unrelated to music by Serenity... yet not put off by the endless political discussions that go on here...? There are days (sometimes several days in a row) when a newcomer could look in here and be convinced it's a political forum.. not a music one. Why is one OK and not the other?

Personally, I don't really care either way since I read what interests me and scroll by the rest, but I do think that Serenity is being singled out for posting non-music related items, while others are doing it as well.

Just my opinion for whatever it's worth.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 15:15:08 CET 2010 from c-66-41-87-213.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (66.41.87.213)

Posted by:

Jerry

Peter, from someone who has scrolled by more than I care to admit, either because of a lack of intrest or knowledge, I think your making a mountain out of a mole hill. I cant believe people coming back here or stopping by for the first time are going to not pursue what they were looking for because Serenity posts something non Band or music related. This is the internet, scrolling by is at least half of what we do until we find it is what were looking for. I understand that the purpose of this site is to promote and talk about the Band, but we can't single any one person out when it comes to posting non Band or music related topics, because from what I can see posting non Band or music related topics happens every day in here by many of the regulars...


Entered at Tue Jan 12 15:09:49 CET 2010 from (69.182.103.93)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Posting

Personally, I wouldn't want to be told what to post. That being said, I think that if a post doesn't fit on one screen page view (on an average sized monitor) I think it's too long.....regardless of the poster or the content. I've occasionally been guilty of having posts that were more than one page long, and in every case they probably would have benefited from some judicious editing on my part. But maybe I just have a short attention span. Kind of like writing a resume. If it doesn't fit on one page, it's too long and you lose the reader's attention. Unless the subject matter is Sarah Palin's personal life.... that always seems to get a lot of ink around here.

Thanks for the review of Levon's NYC show last week. I didn't make it to the show, but I enjoyed reading about it and watching the clips. Glad to hear that he's easing back into singing a little bit!


Entered at Tue Jan 12 14:59:03 CET 2010 from c-59-101-54-82.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.54.82)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Just noticed something...

The last really bad break here was a couple of years back when a troll started on Serenity. should Serenity post her lists here? I find a lot of interesting stuff there - I'm also honoured to have Serenity as an email contact (also with others here, who I am just as honoured to have), and believe her to be a positive presence here. I'd just like to point out (without saying others can't make points...) that the furore started from an apparent troll. rule one of the internet: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS'.... /n I think the three greaest band songs are 'The Weight', TNTDODD and King Harvest. Steve makes an interesting point... do others find that?


Entered at Tue Jan 12 14:53:13 CET 2010 from host86-142-91-143.range86-142.btcentralplus.com (86.142.91.143)

Posted by:

Simon

Subject: Palin and Page

Steve, it'll be fun to see the Rapture-craving, fruit fly-denying, creationism-advocating, logic-fearing, science-hating ... how should I put this? ... proud ignoramus opportunist on YouTube. Hours of fun to be had, I'm sure. It'd be better if she was one of the interviewers, though. I'd love to see her take on Christopher Hitchens the next time one of those shabby religious con merchant hucksters dies. Hopefully that won't be too far away. Hitchens versus Hannity and Ralph Reed re. Jerry Falwell is one of the all time classic clips on YouTube and I never tire of watching it. Totally exhilarating to see those assholes get what they deserve - "you can give Falwell an enema then bury him in a matchbox."

The latest Mojo has an extensive feature on Jimmy Page and he discusses the movie "It Might Get Loud," which is coming to DVD soon. Apparently it features a version of "The Weight" played on acoustic guitars, although Page admits they get the chords a bit wrong but persevere anyway. More interesting is a lengthy section detailing some of Page's favourite music - Lonnie Mack, Muddy Waters, Sly and the Family Stone, Om Kalsoum, Billy Boy Arnold, James Brown, The Damned, Krzysztof Penderecki, Roy Harper, Santo & Johnny, Missa Luba and more. Really fascinating and in depth stuff. To be honest I'd stopped automatically buying Mojo every month but this is a great issue, assuming you like Jimmy Page.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 14:41:52 CET 2010 from 21cust167.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.167)

Posted by:

Steve

Hey, I've got a topic that's acceptable for debate or mention in the GB; What, Serenity, should or shouldn't post. Any opinions?

Peter, got to agree with you. King Harvest is my favorite as well. Interestingly, it's a song that doesn't appeal to non Band fans. I've sampled the opinions of several friends over the last few years, all into music but not Band fans, and they don't get it.

King Harvest, life imitating art, separating the wheat from the chaff? I'll leave that sentence as it stands as a nod to FOX's new fountain of babble.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 14:18:53 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'd rather avoid the on the day stuff too. As Simon says, even if music related it's just random. Date of TLW, Band members birthdays and day of departure, excepted obviously.

You can form a group on hotmail / gmail etc and circulate the stuff automatically between those interested with ease, for those who like it. They could mail Serenity and join. But I feel the drift away from being a site dedicated to The Band (and its many offshoots and connections) goes over the top, and the percentage of related material gets too thin. I've suggested to people they should look at the site many times. People expect a bit of flaming and unpleasantness on music GBs - it happens. They can accept that. But pages and pages of unrelated total trivia really sends people away.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 13:03:26 CET 2010 from 21cust152.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.152)

Posted by:

Steve

NB, don't be so damn pousse E. Sometimes when it appears the cat's got my tongue I'm just a little cat a tonic after a day of herding cats, at least that's what it felt like and I didn't get a chance to get my usual catnap. It's not that I'm a scaredy cat or pussy footin around and I ain't no sour puss, I never get my back up.

So, now that that cat's out of the bag, I've got another cat to skin. Bill, MEOW!

Wow, Palin on Fox. Who didn't see that coming ? Even though she could see Russia from her kitchen window no one could see her and that's no way to run a campaign. Better to be making and reading the news, though I'm guessing her commentaries will be subtitled in a futile attempt at achieving minimal comprehensibility. Another first on FOX.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 11:35:36 CET 2010 from host86-142-91-143.range86-142.btcentralplus.com (86.142.91.143)

Posted by:

Simon

Perhaps it would also be possible to do without the 'on this day' type of stuff because even if confined to just music there could potentially be hundreds even thousands of things for every day of the year. Of possible interest to some of us? Sure, but where does one draw the line? The example Peter mentioned of the Royal Mail classic album stamps is a good one; but I also think that wherever possible something like that should be linked, that way we could've seen some actual examples of the artwork. Copy and paste doesn't allow for that. I also think part of the problem is that Serenity has admitted that she gets a lot of info in her e-mail box and as a result I imagine she'd say that prevents her from providing a link but surely it couldn't be that difficult with some judicious Googling of keywords. Combine that with the name of the author of the piece posted and hey presto there you've got it. Use Tinyurl and there's your link. To do that would mean qualifying or explaining your entry, though and I sometimes get the feeling that things are just being dropped into the mix in the hope they 'take'. It's a corny expression but sometimes less really is more.

[ Dunc - all the best and thanks.]


Entered at Tue Jan 12 10:42:30 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Lists

If I can suggest a compromise position, Perhaps Serenity could confine herself to music related lists. I find being told that Holland is flat or the names of various moons really irritating. I know I can scroll past, but I'm certain it puts off any newcomers seeking Band chat or information because there are yards of totally unrelated stuff to wade through. There must be sites for swopping trivia. Sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but I said it before, I really do think it drives people away.

We started an actual Band discussion yesterday on Levon's latest show, and the fact that one of the great OQ songs has been revived this year. There were some good links and so on. But anyone who say saw the show on YouTube and thought "Oh, how's the Band site going? I'll check back in" finds themselves reading that various astronomical bodies are called Titiana and Oberon coupled with a chunk of extracts from the TV Guide.

Elvis was relevant in lists last week … Levon narrated a documentary on him, and all sorts of links could be made. News that Levon or Robbie were on a chat show is important. The stuff on the British album cover stamps based on album covers was interesting because it lends itself to (say) which ten US albums would you put on stamps? So it's not a case of stopping, it's a case of editing yourself and saying "Has this got anything to do with music? Has that musical area got any possible relevance to people who like The Band?


Entered at Tue Jan 12 09:37:45 CET 2010 from c-76-99-245-65.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Love the Billy Carter quote


Entered at Tue Jan 12 09:36:10 CET 2010 from c-76-99-245-65.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (76.99.245.65)

Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: Frozen pond

Subject: the haircut

I can't say anything more 'bout the haircut because a couple of nephews I love dearly were subject to that shit in the mid '90's. Just held my breath till it passed.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 05:19:07 CET 2010 from cpe000c413b9937-cm000a7363c740.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: David Letterman's guests this week

Monday, January 11: Jennifer Connelly (Creation)

Paul Teutul Sr. (American Chopper)

Ryan Bingham (CD, "Cray Heart Soundtrack")

Tuesday, January 12: Whoopi Goldberg (The View); Findlay Brown (CD, "Love Will Find You")

Wednesday, January 13: Keifer Sutherland (24); The Hot Rats (CD, "Turn Ons")

Thursday, January 14: Denzel Washington (The Book Of Eli); The Low Anthem (CD, "Oh My God, Charlie Brown")

Friday, January 15: Glenn Close (Damages); Comedian Eddie Brill; Matt Morris (CD, "When Everything Breaks Open")

CYA soon xoxoxo


Entered at Tue Jan 12 05:10:20 CET 2010 from cpe-24-164-170-70.hvc.res.rr.com (24.164.170.70)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Paintings

"Paintings are like a beer, only beer tastes good. And it's hard to stop drinking beer." --Billy Carter


Entered at Tue Jan 12 05:10:17 CET 2010 from ool-18b8eb17.dyn.optonline.net (24.184.235.23)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Finally saw Shooter last night. Levon cracked me up.

Serenity, Happy yes..But not too happy :-)


Entered at Tue Jan 12 04:18:37 CET 2010 from adsl-68-255-7-169.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (68.255.7.169)

Posted by:

Pat B

Serenity, go ahead and do whatever makes you happy.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 04:04:07 CET 2010 from mail2.scisoc.org (199.86.26.15)

Posted by:

Old Hippie

Young Hippie: Grow up, willya


Entered at Tue Jan 12 03:20:02 CET 2010 from 24-159-151-255.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com (24.159.151.255)

Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: The list or B.S.

Glad I wasn't the only one annoyed by Serenity's long lists of crap.Consider doing a blog, will ya.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 02:59:25 CET 2010 from s0106000a956fbfac.cq.shawcable.net (70.78.227.122)

Posted by:

NB

Subject: Just As I Thought

So, en autre mots, you CA(n')T take it anywhere as you ain't got the creative chops.


Entered at Tue Jan 12 01:18:42 CET 2010 from cpe000c413b9937-cm000a7363c740.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (99.236.13.43)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: potpourri again..

Hi! Decided I wasn't going let someone tell me what to do if some of you guys enjoy my posts. This person cxn't be very smart or he would just scroll past my posts, and leave it that. As for the copy and paste? I need to do that as all the news,etc. comes through my e-mails/inbox. There is no way I will allow anyone into my private stuff.

STEVE: I want to thank you for your support.I needed that.

So here are todays potpourri...

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01/11/2010

James Taylor and Carole King:

In the four decades since James Taylor and Carole King helped launch each other's storied careers, the notion of someday recapturing that magic never completely faded.

"Every time we would run into each other at a benefit or at an event ... we'd say we have to get the band back together, get that band back together and do some touring before the chance slips away," Taylor said in a recent interview. On Monday, Taylor and King announced dates for the U.S. leg of their much-anticipated "Troubadour Reunion" tour. The tour, marking the 40th anniversary of the pair's breakthrough shows, will launch May 7 in Portland, Ore.

As previously announced, the tour will begin overseas in Melbourne, Australia, on March 26.

"In a sense we started our solo careers sharing a band, sharing a stage, we did a show at the Troubadour in Los Angeles that really sort of broke both of us out of the box and established our careers," Taylor said. King played on Taylor's 1970 "Sweet Baby James" album and Taylor on King's 1971 "Tapestry" album. "We started performing, originally she was in my band, and then I increasingly encouraged her to sing her own songs," said Taylor. "She was used to being a writer, and to having other people do her tunes." King, in fact, had already written 22 Top 40 hits, including Aretha Franklin's "(You Make Me Feel Like a) Natural Woman." "Tapestry," released in 1971, sold more than 25 million copies worldwide and made King the first woman to win four Grammys in a single year. Taylor, 61, has won five Grammys during his career. Both Taylor and King, 67, are members of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

The idea for a reunion tour had been brewing for years, Taylor said. "Finally, two years ago we played at a sort of anniversary celebration for (the Troubadour), with the original band and that was so great we decided to take it on the road." The tour will reunite not only Taylor and King, but key members of their original band, including guitarist Danny Kortchmar, drummer Russ Kunkel and bassist Lee Sklar. While the shows will be at larger venues such as the Hollywood Bowl or Madison Square Garden, the performers hope to recapture at least some of the intimacy of those early Troubadour days, in part by staging the concerts in the round. Taylor said he and King will remain on the stage together throughout the show. "I think we'll do two sets, both of us will be on stage the whole time, either singing backup for each or playing behind the other. We'll sort of skip back and forth, do a song of hers, a song of mine, but we'll stay on the stage," he said. "It's just going to be a blast."

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TRIVIA:

Which planet is the most dense?

The Earth is the most dense planet – five times denser than water, while Saturn is the least dense. It has a density 0.7 times that of water.

Former Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire admits using steroids in 1998 when he broke Roger Maris' home run mark.

Neil Sadaka trivia.....

In early 1965, at the height of the Cold War, he was invited to appear in concert in Moscow -- as a classical pianist at the 1966 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition, not as a rock-and-roll singer! Was part of the vocal quartet, called the Linc-Tones, formed by Hank Medress in 1955. When Neil left the group to start his own solo career, the group became known as The Tokens. Cousin of Eydie Gormé. The song "The Diary" was inspired when he first met singer Connie Francis. They had spent all day going over songs to record and became quite bored. When Connie began writing in her diary Neil asked her if he could read it. Connie gave him a firm "no" and thus the inspiration for "The Diary" was born. Was part of the famous Brill Building stable of writers, which included Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil, Neil Diamond and Carole King.

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This Day in History, January 11

On January 11th, 1908, the Grand Canyon National Monument was created.

Other Notable Events, January 11

In 1787, William Herschel discovers two moons of Uranus. They are named Titania and Oberon.

In 1861, Alabama seceded from the Union.

In 1949, Los Angles notes its first recorded snowfall.

In 1964, U.S. Surgeon General Luther Terry released a report saying smoking cigarettes is a definite "health hazard."

In 1972, East Pakistan is renamed Bangladesh.

In 1984, the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated a $10 million award to the family of Oklahoma nuclear worker Karen Silkwood, who died in 1974.

In 2002, Ford announced it planned to lay off 35,000 employees, drop four car models and close four plants.

In 2005, NASA scientists studying the tsunami-inducing Indonesia earthquake of Dec. 26 calculated it slightly changed Earth's shape and shifted the poles about 1 inch.

In 2006, India reported as many as 172 deaths have been blamed on a cold wave.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


Entered at Tue Jan 12 01:17:18 CET 2010 from 21cust57.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.57)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: If You Knew Pouzzy, Like Bond Knew Pouzzy,

NB, any real Bond Boy , AKA 003.5, would know that's it's Pouzzy, not Pussy. Pout out those front lips, really let them hang out. No, more than that. That's better. Now, in la facon francaise really push it out there.....Pouzzy. Should be just um petit peu de l'air expelled when you're doing it right. Once more now with purpose. Pouzzy.

Bill, meow!


Entered at Tue Jan 12 00:49:27 CET 2010 from vance013.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.58)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Bill : Is Steve Going Anywhere With This Cat Thing ?

The possible directions are pretty obvious, really. Did Marshall Dillon ever, you know, with Miss Kitty, the way James Bond did with Pussy Galore ? Did Batman ever manage to have a little nip of Catwoman ?

Or, to go musical avec la meme meow motif, Ronnie's Hawks reputedly got more pussy than Frank Sinatra. Which in turn begs the question, can the same be said of his current Hawks, The Weber boys ? Do they get more pussy than Sinatra ? One would certainly hope so, especially what with Sinatra being dead and all, but you never know and if they aren't, well, just what are the odds that they're going to admit it ? Hey wait, I know the answer to that; the odds are exactly the same as the odds of spotting an out-of-state licence plate in Hawaii. (Steve may need time to think about that one).

Anyway, as I've shown there's no shortage of directions to go with this cat thing (Steve) so take it somewhere, will ya ? ie. crap in the litter box or get out ! NB


Entered at Mon Jan 11 22:09:56 CET 2010 from mtrlpq02-1176248394.sdsl.bell.ca (70.28.32.74)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Okay.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 21:41:45 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Landmark: I think Steve's looking for someone to empty his litterbox, so if you woundn't mind popping in on him ...


Entered at Mon Jan 11 21:22:12 CET 2010 from 21cust5.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.5)

Posted by:

Steve

Meow.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 20:16:23 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Mr. Fagen previously performed "King Harvest" with Levon & his band this past year at the Birthday Bash Ramble on May 23 and at the Stanley Theatre in Utica, N.Y. on Sept. 26.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 20:10:57 CET 2010 from (41.97.222.143)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Bill M : de rien

that's all you Bill , i guess you surely identified the piano play. De link en link i was directed near the sublimeous Line Monty after a short line in the note introducing Maurice El Medioni by his sideman heydays "he played for the great of the golden era" -- for sure Line was one of the great, this form of showbiz literature which used to always recognize the right occasion to not explicitely evoke the artits names, when they realy deserve it, doesn't serve the meritious ones (the artist as well as the listeners of good tastes)

quand je pense that we owe all these delices to some US soldiers who were sent toward the unknown by the '40s, and i mean what i say, I feel just unsatisfied by the radio silence of Lars on the subject. But a very wise former poster once put "in The Band GB you cant see the feelings of who is posting and who is lurking"


Entered at Mon Jan 11 19:45:52 CET 2010 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: King Harvest

According to Ramble update posts from Butch & others, Donald Fagen has been performing "King Harvest" recently in his appearances with Levon.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 19:16:50 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks Joan!


Entered at Mon Jan 11 18:54:51 CET 2010 from pool-74-108-31-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (74.108.31.76)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bill M/ Kristi

I am "in touch" with Kristie. She is also on Facebook. After her stint at the Tea house, She left for an extended trip hiking in South American. Argentina, Patagonia. She sounds like she's having a great time. I'll tell her on Facebook that you asked after her.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 18:02:06 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Anyone know what ever happened to Kristi (sp?)? She left us in the spring to go up the mountain, promising to come back in fall. But nada since. I thought of her when I picked up Fred Eaglesmith's "Lipstick Lies & Gasoline" CD over the weekend; I remember her saying she'd picked up a copy too. Some very good stuff, but pales in comparison to "Tinderbox" - and also "Drive-In Movie". Richard Bell's on it though.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 17:45:01 CET 2010 from host-90-239-104-56.mobileonline.telia.com (90.239.104.56)

Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: The enemies of free Internet are capable to harras fellow gbers even in the family blogs without any connection to The Band website .

Visit http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/ and then Comments and see what I mean. But hurry up! They have a habit to clean up after themselves.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 16:49:48 CET 2010 from 21cust204.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.204)

Posted by:

Steve

Serenity, no list this morning?

Hopefully you're not letting yourself be bullied by that bipolar ( iron head/iron ass)fridge magnet.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 16:44:24 CET 2010 from 21cust204.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.204)

Posted by:

Steve

I don't download you-tube( time constraints) but I'm guessing the drum shot that's being talked about is the one that I've always thought of as Levon adding an exclamation point right after KING Harvest Has Finally Come..Thwack! I always notice Levon tip himself away from his snare on the one occasion where he doesn't add the exclamation point, Scare crow and a yellow moon, pretty soon a carnival on the edge of town, King Harvest Has Surely Come...silence. It works better than the expected thwack ! Beautiful. It's the one song I have to watch on DVD a couple of times a year.

Bill, meow.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 16:42:53 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: YouTube

There are two takes of The Weight up there now … one a decent camera from the rear, the other a phone (on its side partly) from the front.

On King Harvest, I thought Donald Fagen does the lead part extremely well. His voice fits surprisingly closely. The female voices on the chorus are a good idea too, but as in all the old live performances by the OQ, anything on stage misses that wonderful semi-whisper effect on the studio version. The guitars are a bit too lead-solo-ish for me. But wonderful to see it.


Entered at Mon Jan 11 15:36:46 CET 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Peter M: Are you saying that it was the haircut that caused EC to tear out the guts of "Layla"? If so, they must be banned.

Vide M: Fullsome thanks for the link to the most excellent Line Monty.

Dunc: If you decide to pursue an interest in Murray McLauchlan's music, perhaps the best and easiest way would be to go after the fairly recent career retrospective shown at the link.


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Posted by:

Joe

John & Peter: Levon once told me that "King Harvest" is his favorite song to drum on. Watching the video seems to show his enjoyment.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond
Web: My link

Isn't that "crack of the drums at 0:41 seconds" one of the best sounds on earth! And then there's Amy singing and reflecting off Lee throughout the thang.. I just came back from NYC's Webster Hall where I was chasing the zydeco again after seeing Cedric Watson last night near Philadelphia. I had to get 'ptit bout (a little bit more) so I followed the Creole band to Globalfest. It was so nice seeing bands from Senegal and Burkina Fasso Africa digging the zydeco sounds from rural Louisiana. There was also an astounding blues band there tonight that was so weirdly cool. They were called the Nightlosers, and come from Transylvania, Romainia. Whoa!! Some blues, some rock and roll wrapped in their own trad stuff and sometimes featuring a cat who plays "the leaf", a shrub leaf held betwixt his lips, that whistles, moans and sounds like a fine harmonica. I was gobsmacked by it all. Gorgeous.


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Posted by:

Carmen

Web: My link

Check this new out on Jimmi Hendrix


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: King Harvest

That crack of drums at 0.41 s on the video is indeed a reminder of what got me hooked on The Band in the first place. King Harvest! No wonder the beginning got missed. If it had been me, I would have been sitting there too stunned to move then dropped the iPhone. It was done on the 1971 and 1976 tours, and on the two 1983 videos but not since as far as I remember. Anyway, if I could only choose one Band song, King Harvest would be the one. It was The Weight until King Harvest came out, then ever since it's been King Harvest.


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Posted by:

Jon L again

Web: My link

Someone put up a clip of King Harvest too. Missing the first minute, but still. I loved Levon's drumming on this...listen to that crack of the drums at :41! GREAT performance.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Amanda, thanks right back for the terrific link! Everyone here should watch this.
Re the review, my pleasure! :)


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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

I found the link on YouTube showing Levon dancing to "Deep Ellum Blues." Thank you so much for sharing your review, Jon. You made my day!


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Subject: The Levon Helm Band, January 7, 2010 -- Terminal 5, New York City

I attended this concert by Levon & friends here in NYC last Thursday night. Unbelievable show!!

The musicians were on fire and there were lots of sweet surprises. We were told in an introduction that Levon would not be singing that night, due to his recovery from the throat problems last summer... but he did sing on a couple of songs, with a bit of harmony help. An absolute ROAR went up from the crowd (I'd guess around 1500 people were packed into this large, rather industrial venue) each time they realized Levon was singing...it was incredibly moving.

And what a fun show. A tremendous variety of material, very well played. All of the musicians on stage shone on different songs, but I'll say that Brian Mitchell in particular has become a tremendous asset to the group -- he can really nail Dr John/New Orleans type of material that lets the horn section cut loose, and his raspy vocals work well whenever they do one of Richard Manuel's old Band songs.

A standout and a real surprise was King Harvest (Will Surely Come), which was sung as a duet with Levon and Amy on the "choruses" and Donald Fagen taking the verses in between. A beautiful version -- worth the price of admission to hear Levon's/Amy's whispery vocals on this number, that well captured the spirit of the original song. Don't know for sure, but I would think this is the first time Levon has played this song since the mid-80s Band, and it was a real treat.

While a shame that Levon couldn't sing more, his energy really couldn't have been higher nor his smiles more infectious, and I can't imagine anyone left the show disappointed. I have to single out an unforgettable moment in "Deep Elem Blues". Levon was sitting up front playing mandolin while Larry Campbell sang the song (and Levon was visibly, though not audibly, barking out the choruses with Larry). About two-thirds of the way through the song, the jazz horns kick in and all the other instruments drop out. Levon handed off his mandolin, and from his seat, started doing these wild goofy kicks and punches in time with the music, and then -- and this was crazy! -- literally leaped out of his seat, and started dancing and shimmying around to the music with an enormous grin on his face. I've never seen a 69-year-old guy shimmy like that, that's for sure...everyone in the audience was quite astonished (and in New York City, that is really saying something).

Just a great night; wish you all could've been there. :)

The setlist, as best I can reconstruct it (singers noted in parentheses):

The Shape I'm In (Brian Mitchell)
Love Made a Fool of Me (Amy Helm)
Fannie Mae (Larry Campbell)
? (Donald Fagen)
Long Black Veil (Teresa Williams)
I Thought I Heard Buddy Bolden Say (Brian Mitchell)
(...probably missing a few songs here...)
? new Julie Miller song (Teresa & Larry)
Attics of My Life (Teresa & Larry & Amy...beautiful)
You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go (Brian Mitchell)
Deep Elem Blues (Larry)
Tennessee Jed (LEVON + Larry)
All On a Mardi Gras Day (Brian Mitchell)
King Harvest!! (LEVON + Amy, Donald Fagen)
Everybody Loves a Winner (Amy)
Remedy (Larry + Jim Weider)
? (Donald Fagen)
It Makes No Difference (Teresa + Amy)
The Genetic Method (Larry on electric guitar, playing Garth's part)
Chest Fever (Larry)
The Weight (Donald Fagen, LEVON on 3rd verse, Brian Mitchell)
I Shall Be Released (everyone)


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Posted by:

The Son of Monster Magnet

Serenity typed: "Hope you enjoy reading it. If not, just let me know and I will stop doing it."

Yes, please stop dumping your random cut-and-paste stuff here. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ... Watkins Glenn ...

... I have a tape of that sound check The Dead did the day before the show. It's just one example of how they played their best when they were most relaxed and free. You can hear people talking onstage and children running around and the brief jam (it lasted about 15 minutes ) is just inspirational. One of the best pieces of Live Dead I own. Of course the show they did the next day is legend for it's being terrible but ... and no I wasn't there, I got the sound check off a local KFOG radio Greatful Dead marathon ... As I've said before you gotta sort through the shit to get the Gold ...

... Oh Crap, The San Andreas just moved ...

... I should know better than to live here ...



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Posted by:

Pat B

The jam at Watkins Glen included three songs: Not Fade Away, Mountain Jam, and Johnny B Good. You can hear Rick singing. It's available on a couple of Dead oriented sites.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: potpourri again..

Hi guys, I'm baaaack with more stuff. Hope you enjoy reading it. If not, just let me know and I will stop doing it. It takes time, so why waste it if no one is interested in reading.

BRIEN Z: In case you didn't know.....

Simpsons 20th Anniversary Special: In 3-D! On Ice!

Sunday, 8:30 PM - 9:30 PM Fox.. After you watch the 450th episode (Krusty dates Anne Hathaway's Princess Penelope), d'oh for a ride down memory lane as the comedy's 20th anniversary is commemorated with a quirky documentary from ''Super Size Me'''s Morgan Spurlock. (It's neither in 3-D nor on ice, by the way.) ''We didn't want this to be a glad-hand, pat-on-the back special,'' he says. ''We have fans who think the show shouldn't be on the air anymore, and we have people who couldn't imagine their lives without it.'' From the latter group you'll meet a dude who has every ''Treehouse of Horror'' character tattooed on his back. ''It's so disturbing,'' says Spurlock.

Music Birthdays today, 1/09/2010:

Joan Baez is 69; Dave Matthews is 43; Crystal Gayle is 59.

5 years ago [2005]--MC Hammer performs the nuptials for Motley Crue's lead singer Vince neil and Lia Lia Gerardini in Las Vegas, Nevada.

TRIVIA:

How much pressure are you under?

At sea level, there are 2,000 pounds of air pressure on each square foot of your body.

Which country is the lowest?

The Netherlands are the lowest country in the world. It is estimated that 40 percent of the land is below sea level.

What other insects pollinate plants?

Moths and butterflies pollinate flowers in the same manner as bees – they move from plant to plant carrying pollen on their hairy feet and promote cross-fertilization just as effectively as bees.

Which instruments are in the brass family?

The brass family of instruments include the trumpet, trombone, tuba, cornet, flügelhorn, French horn, saxhorn, and sousaphone. While they are usually made of brass today, in the past they were made of wood, horn, and glass.

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You guys may not want to read these, but it is Richard Nixon's anniversary of his birthday today. [RIP}

(1913-1994) 37th United States President

A man is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits.

People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I'm not a crook. I earned everything I've got.

I can see clearly now... that I was wrong in not acting more decisively and more forthrightly in dealing with Watergate.

I gave 'em a sword. And they stuck it in, and they twisted it with relish. And I guess if I had been in their position, I'd have done the same thing.

When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal.

I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is opposed to every instinct in my body. But as president I must put the interests of America first. Therefore, I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow.

The one thing sure about politics is that what goes up comes down and what goes down often comes up.

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You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference.

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Daily Thoughts I quote others to better express myself

All quotes below by Elvis Presley

“When things go wrong don't go with them”

“Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes.

"Do what's right for you, as long as it don't hurt no one”

I believe in the Bible. I believe that all good things come from God. I don't believe I'd sing the way I do if God hadn't wanted me to.

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This Day in History, January 9

On January 9th, 1929, the Seeing Eye was formed to train guide dogs.

Other Notable Events, Jan. 9

In 1768, the first modern circus was staged in London.

In 1861, Mississippi seceded from the Union.

In 1945, in World War II, U.S. troops invaded the Philippine island of Luzon and went on to liberate Manila.

In 1969, the British-French supersonic Concorde jetliner made its first test flight at Bristol, England.

In 1972, the luxury liner Queen Elizabeth was gutted by fire while docked in Hong Kong.

In 1996, rebels in the Russian republic of Chechnya overran the town of Kizlyar and took 2,000 hostages at a hospital and in nearby homes.

Also in 2007, Venezuelan stocks fell almost 19 percent -- their biggest drop on record - and the country's currency lost almost one-third of its value after President Hugo Chavez pledged to nationalize the country's utilities.

In 2008, U.S. President Bush began a trip to the Middle East, including his first visit as president to Israel. After meeting with Palestinian leaders, Bush called for an end to Israeli "occupation that began in 1967."

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE


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Posted by:

Norbert

Steve, you just only gave away you.

Anyway (love that word) don't riot on me now please, I know Levon wrote all Band songs.


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Posted by:

Steve

The chin strap always gives them away.


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Posted by:

Steve

Thanks, paul, for that. How long, really roughly, did the jam last? Makes sense they'd fit together easily.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: "didn't Robbie has one of those haircuts for a while?"

yeah, but Robbie's was a rug.


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Posted by:

paul barrett

Location: fall river,ma south of boston,ma
Web: My link

Subject: the very best jam sessions

the real band fans, close your eyes and see and listen of the best jam ever in the 70's.the hayday of these three bands.i'm saying the band,the dead,the allman bros: in a festival to last a long three days of bliss,music,people,love,and not one prob lem.i'm talking of a festival at watkins glenn in upstate new york,tickets at 27.50 and mind you 650,000 people.i just came out of the army and what a great way to release all agressions of wearing green for three years.turns out on the way up the big hill to the concert/racetrack we heard on the radio it's a free concert we pulled into the dead playing a very hot sunny day we set up our space while listening to the dead trying to dry out some plants we had we go to sleep with the band doing sound checks and playing a little.the next day the band plays into the biggest rain storm so they took a break then garth breaks into a huge solo of chest fever then the boys come in and boom the band another hot day short of food,ice,anything for living.our friends next door sharing theirs with our stuff and a feast was made.that night the allman bros:played us to slumber, well the three days ended being four with all three bands jamming up a storm light shows amazing while on window pain and if you ran out of stuff you could walk down a dirt road they called drug road great cheap hash but i digress the moral of this tale is though they probably never played with each other before you would have never known it oh i forgot mr.dylan showed for a couple of tunes.but at 20 years young i was a virgin to all of this just out of the sevice looking like a cop it was the most ever biggest and best party i will ever attend.that day i became a band lover and saw them countless times after that the small venues were the best.imagine the brown album,eat a peach,but not sure of the dead albums all at one huge time. GOOD NIGHT ALL BAND FANS!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Just before walking the dog trough the German snow

Subject: Hair

Thanks for the Dorothy Hamill update guys, that’s important information.

Although I can’t remember Clapton with such hair, Rob could be right, Robbie may have had it too. Could be Smith was just too late, anyway I would try it myself if I could, but that’s too late too.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: haircuts

didn't Robbie has one of those haircuts for a while?


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Posted by:

Lars

Subject: Best dressed

Melissa Etheridge?

The correct spelling is Dorothy HAMILL. I'm not sure. I think he ran an option offense.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: that haircut

Norbert, Dorothy Hamill was an 1976 Olympics ice skater who later did many commercials and product endorsements on TV. She projected a warm, maternal and "you can trust me" aura. But the hair... It was short and pert, parted in the center, and then so short from the ears on down, it looked buzzed. Kinda like Hitler went with a center part rather than a side part. Horrible 'do. As it was, it was imitated by women throughout the '80s, and eventually even men. G.E. Smith was an obvious example, wearing the look in the latter days of his playing in the SNL house band, but even Eric Clapton succumbed (albeit briefly) to this awful fashion faux pas sometime around the time he recorded his "Unplugged" album.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: GE Smith, the Dorothy Hammel haircut, & the best dressed musician

When I watch My Back Pages (Dylan’s 30th, see link) , I always wondered about that guy with the strange hair, till I just saw the lines underneath posted at YouTube

“GE Smith is an iconic "side man" in his own right. He planned and arranged the entire concert. He went out of his way to let the Icons perform and you can see the joy he's taking in watching them shine. GE Smith is EXACTLY the kind of talented and unselfish musical talent that's required to organize and execute an event like this. As far as his Dorothy Hammel haircut....I agree it's a disaster. “

I must agree GE Smith did a terrific job and yes you can see he enjoys the evening, but about his suit and shoes (the hair, brrr) he should have asked Eric Clapton for advice. Clapton is always a sharp dressed man.

Besides Clapton I think Robbie knows what to wear too. This brings up the important question, who is the best dressed musician?

p.s.who is Dorothy Hammel?

Ilkka, does the ABBA girl still live around the corner in the Nordic Countries?

Jan F, what is your email address?


Entered at Sat Jan 9 18:07:25 CET 2010 from (41.97.151.51)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: ILKKA, sorry for the misspelling

loi-loi-log-loi-loi-loga… isn't that Glossolalia?

loi-loi- loya, don't you believe it's also exactly what it's said in my song… I meant the song I linked, the liner notes even notify:

"Perfect diction, exhilarating voice, elegance in the verb and sensuality in the movement, she was of those artists who succeeded by their talent and their know-how to enchant our moments and to leave an indelible imprint on the music registers, while her captivating harmonies always took our hearts and brought our souls up in a state of grace" ….oww!


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: From former gb deputy moderator, for almost ten years _TOO LATE_. (Sorry.)

How does it make us feel, knowing that someone out there is secretly watching our online activity? Imagine that you could see through their disguise and know who is looking at you, and why. Maybe you don't really care, but there are some people who would love to know it. The enemies of this disgussion forum didn’t take long to realize that if they want to be successful they also have to be social, or rather pretend to be social. Joining the network enabled them to take advantage of the viral nature of the information being spread through the network and the human disposition to trust everything that is written; the example often used is, “if you know my email address, then you must know me!”


Entered at Sat Jan 9 15:19:28 CET 2010 from ool-44c5ddd0.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Subject: 6 classic Simpsons moments

With the 450th Simpsons episode coming up, these are 6 favorite moments - enjoy the clips


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Posted by:

Ilkka (ashamed)

Location: Stand in the corner

Subject: Chords

It should be C-F-G7 and nothing else. (Charlie Y: If you are practicing C-G-F7, just keep on going. You can be the next Elvis ;-)


Entered at Sat Jan 9 13:46:27 CET 2010 from host-90-239-77-100.mobileonline.telia.com (90.239.77.100)

Posted by:

Ilkka

Subject: Northern European (Samii people) joiku songs and RAI

Just like RAI musicians can describe a person or circumstances just by singing "rai-rai-rai-rai", in Northern European nomad Samii people "joiga" songs a whole person and his identity (yes, it is mostly a MAN)can be described by singing for instance "loi-loga-loi-log-loi-loi-lol". Some say "primitive", I say "organic". Funny thing is that the chords in "joiga" are just the same as in the country music: C-G-F7. I believe the gb regular with dignity - CHARLIE Y - could easilly enjoy or maybe play both RAI and JOIGA.

BTW Illka and Ilkka. The former is a weak female name, the latter is a strong male name with connection to "Robin Hood" of Finland in the Middle Ages . Ever since the sixties when I was the student number two to have a long(?) Beatles type haircut in my high school this particular harrashment has followed me constantly. Of course, I understand that those who are not familiar with Finnish language (about four billion people) don't see the difference.

Norbert, about LADY GAGA :-))) Well, well, well my friend, have you forgotten the wise email you sent to me for almost ten years ago: "Stay away from the BLONDES!". Yes, I did. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Lady Gaga

Much to my suprise, she's an real artist for sure. (see link).


Entered at Sat Jan 9 11:29:47 CET 2010 from (41.97.151.51)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Illka Jauramo

Cute, I specially appreciate the Nokia-Rai connecting the similarity from the opposites –hence here’s the perfect point of equilibrium :

you produce the device, we supply the noise

(with fun now) As our preferred Music chronicler from the North, did you notice this serious advantage for the Rai lyricist: every time the end of the songline is unavailable, switch to the next language, the perfect rhyme is quite close, else it can be surely found in the Pataouète directory .


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Tokyo 83

Alot of clips from this concert are now on you tube. Way better than Vancouver. Check out You Dont Know Me.


Entered at Sat Jan 9 05:53:27 CET 2010 from 74-130-91-218.dhcp.insightbb.com (74.130.91.218)

Posted by:

Abby wrote

Anybody in here have an opinion about Lee HArvey Osmond? I'm just too damned busy to even skim things in here anymore much less find a copy of L.H. Osmond to listen to. But if it's really, really good, well, it may be worth it.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Guitars

LINK: For all guitar lovers everywhere.[ ???]

Am I the only one here tonight? Guess I'll go and do my jig-saw puzzles on the net for the rest of the evening.

Sweet Dreams to anyone who is out there xoxoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Music artists on stamps....

Some interesting music news:

David Bowie, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd Arrive on U.K. Stamps--- 1/8/10, 5:11 pm

British letters have acquired a taste for rock music. Yesterday, the Royal Mail released a set of 10 special stamps featuring classic British album covers including David Bowie’s Ziggy Stardust, the Rolling Stones’ Let It Bleed, New Order’s Power, Corruption and Lies and Coldplay’s A Rush of Blood to the Head.

The Royal Mail was first created by Henry VIII in 1516 and continues to serve as the national postal service for the United Kingdom. Issuing rock stamps is not a casual matter, and only 12 special stamp sets are produced per year. “The thing about stamps is that they are 1-inch works of art,” says Philip Parker, the Head of Stamp Policy for Royal Mail. “And thinking about this we thought that the old 12-inch vinyl cover is a great work of art. We thought putting them on stamps would be a great way to celebrate this art form.” The selection process was rigorous. “We conducted huge research,” says Parker. “We spoke with music journalists and analyzed lots of existing lists.”

The Rolling Stones’ Exile on Main Street, for example, was considered for the set but was rejected because its album cover image, shrunk down to stamp size, would be undecipherable. Pink Floyd’s Wish You Were Here was rejected because its image of a man shaking hands with a man on flames was considered possibly disturbing for the public. Many Brits have (naturally) questioned the omission of Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon, one of the most famous album covers of all time. “It was too black,” says Parker. “The stamps also have to do their function. They can’t just look good. If a stamp is too dark our machines will reject it.”

Once the panel of pros made their selections, the stamps had to get royal approval from the Queen. “She didn’t reject any,” Parker says. “She’s old but I think she has her finger on the pulse. I wouldn’t be surprised if she knew the majority of the bands.”

The stamps also set an interesting historical precedent: the Royal Mail isn’t allowed to depict living people on its stamps unless they are members of the royal family. A few album-cover stamps — which feature David Bowie and the Clash’s Paul Simonon — prove to be a rare exception to the rule. Parker explains that because the stamps celebrate the artwork of the album rather than the individuals in the bands, they’re permissible. But the result is clear: even on stamps, rock & roll can find a way to be rebellious.

Full list of album-cover stamps:

• David Bowie’s The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars

• Blur’s Parklife

• The Clash’s London Calling

• Coldplay’s A Rush of Blood to the Head

• Led Zeppelin’s IV

• New Order’s Power, Corruption and Lies

• Mike Oldfield’s Tubular Bells

• Pink Floyd’s The Division Bell

• Primal Scream’s Screamadelica

• The Rolling Stones’ Let it Bleed

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Elvis

Poem For Elvis... Poem by Sandi Pichon

A day of memories, laughter and tears, A man never forgotten through all the years.

A grin, a wink, and that come-hither look, The twitch of a leg and that's all it took.

We fell for his music, his looks and his style, And followed his tours over many a mile.

There is no end, there can be no goodbyes, For when I look back I see those blue eyes.

So today I'll celebrate and toast his name, Since he came on the scene music was never the same.

The memories are sweet and never will die, There is no end, there can be no goodbye.

Cya soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Warden threw a party

Today I'm going to Parkes,NSW, where a huge festival celebrating elvis is on. This festival was first run about 20 years ago. Parkes has a population of abot 5 000 - 10 000 are expected to turn up. /n For thode of you on facebook, I'll be posting pictures...


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Elvis [RIP] and whatever..

This Day in History, January 8

On January 8th, 1958, Bobby Fischer won the United States Chess Championship at age 14.

Other Notable Events, Jan. 8

In 1815, the forces of U.S. Gen. Andrew Jackson decisively defeated the British in the Battle of New Orleans, the closing engagement of the War of 1812.

In 1916, Allied forces staged a full retreat from the shores of the Gallipoli Peninsula in Turkey, ending a disastrous invasion of the Ottoman Empire that resulted in 250,000 Allied casualties.

In 1976, Chinese Premier Chou En-lai died in Beijing.

In 1991, one person was killed and 248 injured when a London commuter train crashed into the buffers at a station.

Also in 1991, Pan American World Airways filed for bankruptcy.

In 1993, thousands gathered at Elvis Presley's Graceland mansion in Memphis, Tenn., to purchase the first issue of a stamp honoring the "King of Rock 'n' Roll" on what would have been his 58th birthday.

In 1997, a report by University of Texas scientists concluded that exposure to a combination of chemicals was somehow linked to Gulf War Syndrome, responsible for the various ailments reported by veterans of the 1991 conflict.

In 2004, the U.S. Defense Department announced it had designated former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein a prisoner of war.

In 2006, a fire swept through a one-story wooden orphanage in Dushanbe, Tajikistan, and killed 13 disabled children. Seventy-one others escaped.

Also in 2007, more than 17,000 Iraqi civilians and police officers died violently since July, three times as many as in the first half of 2006, officials said.

In 2008, a series of winter tornadoes caused by record-breaking temperatures killed at least six people, destroyed houses and flooded roads in Arkansas, Illinois, Missouri and Wisconsin.

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A Thought for the Day.... An anonymous author wrote: "Remember, people will judge you by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold -- but so does a hard-boiled egg."

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Music Birthdays today besides Elvis... David Bowie: 63 yrs. & Shirley Bassey: 73 yrs.

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Elvis fans mark 75th birthday at his beginning... 01/08/2010 AP

The simple white shotgun shack where Elvis Presley was born is so tiny it could easily fit inside a single room in the opulent Graceland mansion where he spent his final years — maybe in the Jungle Room with its green-carpeted ceiling.

While the focus on Elvis' 75th birthday Friday will be on Graceland, the international tourist attraction in Memphis that has become synonymous with the legend since his death in 1977, about hundreds of fans are expected to converge on his birthplace in northeastern Mississippi for a different perspective on the man who reshaped popular music by blending elements of black and white, blues and bluegrass, gospel and rockabilly to become arguably its most popular figure, the King of Rock 'n' Roll.

The 15-by-30-foot home in Tupelo, built in 1934 by Presley's father, grandfather and uncle, was on the poor side of town, and his family only stayed in the home until Presley was 2 1/2 because they couldn't afford the payments.

"We are presenting the unknown Elvis, the little boy Elvis," says Dick Guyton, director of the foundation that runs the Elvis Presley Birthplace in Tupelo, a city of 36,000 that sits 100 miles southeast of Memphis. Visitors to Graceland are loaded onto vans at a visitors' center, driven to the mansion and moved through in herds with a recorded tour on individual headsets. In Tupelo, only a few people at time can walk through the wood-framed home where Presley and his stillborn twin brother, Jesse Garon Presley, entered the world on Jan. 8, 1935.

The boyhood home sits on a 15-acre site that includes a museum, a gift shop, a chapel with elaborate stained-glass windows, a statue of 13-year-old Elvis and, since 2008, the Assembly of God church the Presley family attended.

When Presley was a boy, Vernon Presley had trouble keeping a job and spent time in prison. Presley's mother, Gladys, had a hard life and kept close watch on her only surviving son, says Guy Harris, a boyhood friend of Presley. The Presleys lived several different places in Tupelo before Vernon moved the family to Memphis in 1948; 13-year-old Elvis played guitar for friends on his last day at Tupelo's Milam Junior High.

Harris, a 71-year-old retired police officer who still lives near Tupelo, says "there wasn't a bit of difference" in Presley before he became famous and after. Presley came back to his hometown several times to visit friends. "He never did seem like he was on a higher level than us," Harris says. The Harrises and the Presleys were so close that Harris' mother was in the room with Gladys when the Presley twins were born, he says. Harris says he, Presley and another friend, Odell Clark, liked to run in the woods and swim in a creek when they were children. Every fall, they'd go to the final Saturday night of the Mississippi-Alabama Fair and Dairy Show in Tupelo.

One year after the Presleys had moved to Memphis, teenagers Harris and Clark were getting ready for the fair and they heard a knock. "I went to the door and it was Elvis," Harris recalls. "I said, 'Boy, what are you doing?' And he said, 'It's the last Saturday night of the fair isn't it? I come to go with you.'"

Presley returned to Tupelo more before he became famous than after. He gave concerts at his hometown fairgrounds in 1956 and 1957. Guyton, who's four years younger than Presley, never met the singer but attended both concerts... "He was a hometown boy. And I think that, more than anything, made it exciting for a lot of us," Guyton recalls. "Now certainly, I think the girls had other reasons for being excited."

Presley donated money from the 1957 concert to the city so it could buy his birthplace and surrounding acres, which were then up for sale. He wanted municipal leaders to use the space as a park — and Guyton says Presley was miffed that those plans never fully lived up to expectations... A local garden club started restoring the tiny home in the mid-1970s, and opened it to the public. The birthplace now gets about 60,000 paying visitors a year and about another 20,000 who simply wander the grounds for free, Guyton says. Admission to the house, museum and church is $12 for adults and $6 for children. Elvis Presley Enterprises says Graceland gets about 600,000 visitors a year.

Guyton most visitors to the birthplace are serious fans who already know about Elvis' career — his music, his movies, his leading ladies. In Tupelo, they learn about his early life, including his love of gospel music.... The one-room church was carefully moved up a hill from its previous location, and it was restored with simple wooden pews and a series of movie screens that are lowered from the ceiling along the front and side walls. A film recreates what services were like in the 1930s and '40s... The small museum shows short films that give context to the Depression-era poverty in which Elvis started his life. Artifacts include a photo of 10-year-old Elvis with other children who participated in a talent show at the 1945 Mississippi-Alabama Fair and Dairy Show. He sang "Old Shep" and won $5 for second place.

The museum displays the last silk scarf Presley is believed to have autographed and tossed to a fan at his final concert on June 26, 1977, in Indianapolis. The woman who received the scarf, Mary Diane Abshier of Spencer, Ind., died several years ago, and her husband, Allen, mailed it to the birthplace...

The museum also features a collection of 1970s clothing and photos from the late Janelle McComb, a Tupelo woman who was 13 years older than Presley and became one of his close friends in the final years of his life........ Guyton says he believes the over-the-top opulence — the big collars, the lacy shirts, the fancy cars — were Presley's reaction to having grown up in poverty. With money, anything went..... "That was ultimately his demise," Guyton says. "Nobody could say no to anything he wanted."

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CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Bill M

"Baby Jesus, looks like Elvis, shakes his pelvis, shoots his TV / Elvis Presley, the man responsible for intant-off TV" - Chris Houston.



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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Another great man's birthday today.

Birthday today of one of the greatest men in the world today. [Love this man to no end] Hope he stays around a long, long time.

Classic Quotes by Stephen William Hawking (1942- ) British theoretical physicist

Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?

I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image.

My goal is simple. It is a complete understanding of the universe, why it is as it is and why it exists at all.

Not only does God play dice, but... he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen.

Someone told me that each equation I included in the book would halve the sales.

The usual approach of science of constructing a mathematical model cannot answer the questions of why there should be a universe for the model to describe. Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?

The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired

There are grounds for cautious optimism that we may now be near the end of the search for the ultimate laws of nature.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Graceland

'The last time I saw Elvis

He was shootin' at a colour TV

The phones were ringing in the pink motel

And the rest is history

He was the King'

'He Was the King' - N. Young

'Looks like it's time to disappear

Like the buffalo

That boy from Tupelo

The old wall down in Jericho

Maybelle on the radio

I'll be gone like the Five & Dime

It'll be the perfect crime

Just ask the boy from Tupelo

He's the king and he oughta know'

'Boy From Tupelo' - E. Harris


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: ELVIS PRESLEY [RIP]

Here's more on Elvis. [more will follow in my history stuff]

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'Real' Elvis Explored In New Books And Trivia.. Posted Thu Jan 7, 2010 Buzz in Stop The Presses!

Elvis Presley's 75th birthday may be an excuse for a big blowout, but the occasion also gives fans another chance to re-evaluate his legacy. With changing attitudes come changing theories about his influence. There are also a load of new books about the "real" Elvis, from a best pal to his demonized doctor to a Nashville journalist investigating his insatiable appetite for women (a condition dubbed as "satyriasis").

With so much information to add to the lore, Elvis' legacy extends far beyond rock'n'roll ambassador, from racial barrier-buster and political pal to incidental city planner and fighting arts master. Below, some places and people who experienced the Elvis Effect.

Tupelo Beginnings For years, the public pilgrimage to honor the King went straight to Graceland, bypassing his roots in Tupelo, Miss. These days, the Times Online reports, music scholars and the town itself have remedied this geographical omission. The museum and chapel near his childhood home recently got fixed up, and the town got on the Mississippi Blues Trail in 2008. Other institutions are still around, like the Tupelo Hardware store where an 11-year-old Elvis hankered for a rifle but his mother Gladys convinced him to buy a guitar instead. Also standing is the two-room shack where Gladys gave birth to Elvis and his stillborn twin, Jessie Garon. One Tupelo resident and pal who has surfaced from Elvis' past: 75-year-old Sam Bell, a Graceland special guest this week. According to a London Guardian interview, the two often hung around together, even though they had to use separate entrances, bathrooms, schools-the many ways blacks and whites were kept apart in America. "There was a lot of segregation and prejudice in Tupelo at that time," Bell told the Scotsman newspaper. "but as 13-year-old kids, we didn't care about colour. We were just having a good time."

G-Man The National Archives keeps the most important moments of American history, and its most popular possession is the photo of a handshake between Presley and Richard Nixon. According to the Archives and the Huffington Post, that 1970 meeting with Nixon came with an ulterior motive: He wanted to be a Federal Agent At Large to fight illegal drugs. Elvis got the props, and a badge, from the president.

That wasn't the last time for Presley's persuasion at the White House. When long-time pal George Klein (and author of the new book Elvis: My Best Man) got into mail-fraud trouble, Elvis went straight to the top to fix things. He may not have enforced any Narcotics Bureau laws (his vice was purely the prescribed kind), but the King did show political loyalty: Even after Watergate, he remained true to Nixon. Says then-presidential aide Egil "Bud" Krogh. "They liked each other very much."

Saving Las Vegas Elvis didn't need the badge to save Las Vegas. Although the Daily Mail would blame Sin City for the entertainer's eventual fall, the British paper points out that gangsters with names like Bugsy and the Ant controlled the town until Elvis stormed in with his outsized act and entourage. He injected youth and pizazz into what became "an oasis of indulgence." People who weren't gamblers came, and made the desert stop an entertainment stage.

The turnaround wasn't always welcome, as the Las Vegas Weekly recounts. Once, there was a sniper threat. Another time, some thugs, led by a ringleader with a sword cane, tried to run the stage. Recalls Sonny West (part of the so-called Memphis Mafia who wrote an exposé about Elvis 10 days before his death), they got stopped, but "Elvis, he was ready to go, doing his karate movements. ‘Lemme at 'em! Lemme at 'em!' He had to be restrained.'"

Fighting Elvis Speaking of karate, Elvis received an eighth-degree black belt in the Japanese form. The rock'n'roll ambassador trained for years in the fighting arts, first in the U.S. Army and then under karate instructor Ed Parker, whose most famous discovery was Bruce Lee. He later got four years under fancy uniforms from Kang Rhee, who specialized in Korean forms like Taekwondo. Elvis was reasonably tough: During a demonstration, the King didn't just go without a protective cup - he didn't wear underwear.

The King's influence on the martial arts was a little more indirect. He wanted to do a karate feature documentary, but he didn't get around to it. He may have influenced onscreen martial arts anyhow: It turns out the young Bruce Lee was such a big Elvis fan, he took dance classes to get his hips to move like his idol's. Lee became good enough to snag the 1958 Hong Kong cha-cha ballroom championship trophy. Who knows what those two could've done together, had the Fates not intervened.

A 2009 DVD shows old footage of Elvis demonstrating some favorite moves.

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until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: From Tupelo to Memphis & Beyond

Elvis Aaron Presley was born 75 years ago today in Tupelo, Mississippi. His identical twin brother, Jesse Garon, died at birth.

"The morning star is fading
Lord, the Mississippi's cold
You can still be Marlon Brando
And the king of rock and roll"
(From "Back to Tupelo" by Mark Knopfler)


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: On a serious side: some similarities between Algeria (A) and Finland (F)

Well, this is how it has been in the history; There are patrons and there are slaves. (A) and (F) have been occupied by other forcies for hundreds of years. Swedes tried to make us to speak in Swedish and Russians tried to make us to speak in Russia. (F) had Civil War as late as in 1918. It is possible that a grandfather to some Finnish gb poster was tortured by my grandfather - or my grandmother was raped by his grandfather in the war. What a grief. So, our people have suffered a lot, like the most people posting here.

Just like RAI music is played everywhere the Finnish mobile device Nokia is known everywhere.

Finns are not as rich and sexy as Swedes or as healthy as our neighbours Norwegians. We are the cousins from the country. We are honest murderers. We shoot dead our wives and own children and our teachers and our students like desperados but we never put a knife in your back or post in this gb your emails to third party or your private surfing history.


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Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Why would she? After all, it was doubtless your fault that she made the mistake in the first place. As for the other point, when the First Nations have a club, it generally turns out that the Second Nations have a gun. Fortunately they didn't use it at Caledonia.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: one thing to add

Bill M: you do read in my thoughts, the book was the primary reference as suggested by yourself a few years ago

do know the guy is 82 years old, he should leave the vocals parts to alter Ilkka: and i thought they we disapeared far before the Armaguedon


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

NB: Sorry. I thought the goat smell phenomenon was supposed to be near-universal. Whatever, won't happen again.

Empty N: Thanks for the link. Will watch for el-Medioni's recordings. I don't expect the book at the link above would be easy to find in your part of the world, but it's a very interesting look at how jazz travelled to and took hold in various cities around the world surprisingly early. Shanghai, Alexandria, Oslo all in the late teens I believe. Also some great vignettes, like the many American jazz musicians based in Paris in the '20s establishing their own baseball team!

The reference in the el-Medioni link to Rough Guide and World Music reminds me that it's either the "Rough Guide to World Music" or the "Virgin Guide to World Music" that includes a section on Robbie Robertson.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: riverine

Bill M: You're welcome - and very well mannered (the missus very seldom thanks me when I correct her).

I guess the composers called it "Song For Canada" anyway . . . forty-some years on, it's strikingly a colonialist relic - the warriors of Caledonia et al. being left out of the club of "two nations."


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Why there are only two folk groups left after Harmagedon: Finns and Algerians?

... hmmm... you gb regulars should now the answer by now :-))))


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Posted by:

Steve

Climate change, Peter, climate change. Does it feel like your weather is changing possibly because the climate is changing? Your part of Europe is scheduled for colder, wetter weather I think.

We've been having really strange weather here for the last 4 days.

- 10C/14F with a light drizzle falling, very slowly building up a layer of ice on everything. Today it finally changed back to beautiful light fluffy snow adding to the two feet already on the ground. Perfect winter conditions.


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Posted by:

Jack O'Sullivan

Web: My link

thanks for all that you guys do.


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Posted by:

Peter V

You know, that Copenhagen global warming conference really worked. It's been freezing ever since.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Baseball / LARS / BILL M / Maurice El Medioni

Lars Pedersen : So far away, somewhere in this world that the US knows so little about, there is a city called Oran, in this city as in any city people used to play and listen music. For sure you must not succeeded over the GBs to escape, as any victim of my sustained posts about it, Rai Music. The fact is that from this city, as well as the US Army, this music invaded the world and it is more played today than baseball .

Though the official Rai certificate of birth was set in Oran, the actual texture of the music has various ingredients. Among the major gurus who created it and gave it its current consistency, the generation commonly known as “Fathers Of Rai”, is Maurice El Medioni. The latter is also a piano player of international stature, winner of the BBC Piano World Prize 2007. I once emphasized in The Band GB his biographic act of perfecting his original Andalussian piano play with Jazz and Boogie-Woogie numbers he learnt from the visiting American soldiers during the Torch Operation, the North-African campaign of WWII

One would find it extremely difficult to believe that the songs in the link above are made of pitches which were learned 65 years ago by El Medioni from Yanks Soldiers in a joyful ambiance bon-enfant somewhere in a Mediterranean port shanty. Thanks Lars, we the world learned now when to see an American Army and when to see an American Soldier

Bill M: any correction or addition concerning the subject exposed in the present post is welcome

Footnote: it is allowed to definitely consider the present post as “Anthological post posted by a first class The Band GB poster”


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Serenity

It is a little testosterone driven here.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Birth of The Blues vid..

LINK: Hi, guys, just had this sent to me to make my day, and it certainly did. Enjoy!!

JOAN: Nice to hear from another girl. We sure are outnumbered here? Guess I should keep posting, but don't have the time to keep it up.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Dan, you sure ask a lot of questions.


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Posted by:

Dan

I'd like to know what each Band vocalist would be categorized as (baritone, tenor, alto, etc.) On another note, were they frequent LSD users?


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Posted by:

Steve

David, don't knock the "Winter Classics" being played in Fenway, and other outdoor stadiums in the US and Canada.

They appear to be the most popular games the NHL offers in the US.

According to the NHL brass these games are drawing more attention in the US than the Stanley Cup playoffs.

NBC is talking enough money to make the cash strapped and hungry for a American Network deal, NHL, consider signing on with NBC and playing the game next year in, now wait for it............Jerry Jones' new indoor sporting entertainment complex in Arlington, Texas.

The Winter Classic, in doors, in Texas. The big attraction it seems for the new fans is the whole outdoor, winter atmosphere at a hockey game. Only the NHL!


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The home of the CIA and the Atlanta Braves

Subject: Baseball

I think a lot of Americans are fooled into thinking the world is much like they imagine. Blame it on our innate isolationism. Deep down, a lot of Americans don't care that the world knows more about the US, than the US knows about the world. Maybe it's just as well, because when we finally do discover a faraway land with charming people, we have a history of invading their country. And killing the people in an awkward attempt to get them to love us.



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Posted by:

Nota Bene

Bill: You're note supposed to use The Guestbook for personal messages (see under "Terms and Conditions").

Impersonally yours,

NB


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Subject: Spectacle

Saturday Jan 30th the Spectacle program on the IFC Channel with Elvis Costello is on for most of the day, 11 AM thru 8 PM (looks like a marathon). There are episodes featuring Bruce Springsteen, U2, Lyle Lovett and Sheryl Crow. At 2 PM the episode featuring Richard Thompson, Allen Toussaint, Nick Lowe & Levon airs. Looks like the last chance to catch this one in a while. It's so worth it. Richard Thompson's spot is wonderful, Nick Lowe tells the story of composing "The Beast in Me" before delivering the song beautifully. Larry Campbell does lovely work on everything, including sharing guitar duties with Richard Thompson on "The Weight". "Tennessee Jed" is stellar as well.


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Posted by:

Fred

Baseball ain't no passtime in Japan. It's far from the pastoral game that Americans like to think of their (once) national passtime. A lot of that samurai bushido BS crept into the Japanese version in the early days of the game.

Sadly there is a somewhat of a militaristic air about how baseball is conducted from little league to the pros.

Trust the Japanese to suck the fun out of everything.


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Posted by:

Bill M

NB: I have an idea. Instead of trying to recreate the '60s by showing "Easy Rider" in your gym, why not show the "The Sweater" video instead. You could then aks the fairer half of assembled multitude if the less-fair half truly does smell goat-like? You could also ask NG what boys of our day smelled like, but she might be too cowed to say goat.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Icing

Northern Boy: Fittingly, baseball is played on a diamond, and hockey is played on ice, which is slang for diamonds.


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Posted by:

Nothern Boy

Yes David. That would be your "Ice Field of Dreams".


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Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Thanks for spotting the brain cramp. I should have said "One Single River" More than just a typo, I'm afraid.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: What the puck??

NHL hockey games at Wrigley Field and Fenway Park, before capacity crowds on New Years Day, when most Americans are watching the college football bowl games. I don't believe any pucks were hit onto Waveland Avenue or over the Green Monster.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: someone's got to do it

Bill M: "'French Song'"?


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Posted by:

NB

Thanks Steve. I'll keep that in mind, so to speak.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Oh, That's Just Great Bill

So now I'm vividly remembering things that never even happened, to go along with all those I experiences I must have had with you back in high school (watching Edward Bear and Easy Rider in the gym) which I have absolutely no recollection of now.

As in The Sweater, did we," like all teenage boys, smell faintly goat-like" ? BTW, she looks very familiar to me, so I've no doubt never seen her before.


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Posted by:

Steve

NB, no, the story I heard was just about tinnitus, I've never heard of the other. My father had your problem brought on by loud industrial noise over 30 years or more.

JH, the American myth that sportsters from other parts of the world might find interesting is the one I ran into when I went to the US as a college athlete.

I was informed by more than one person shortly after I arrived there that playing hockey might require some athletic ability but the HARDEST THING TO DO IN ANY SPORT( got to love those yanks) IS TO HIT A BASEBALL.

No matter that the people who insisted on this couldn't even skate, hitting a baseball was the most difficult achievement in sports. Even when I explained I played baseball since I was 6 and could compare the degree of difficulty in each it made no difference to their opinion. It had the holding power of a religious belief. Back then Americans really took baseball seriously, maybe still do .


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: After All This Time

Just got Norm's CD and spinning the first track. Love that voice but am not impressed with the missus' attraction to the cover pic.

Weird winter down this way. No snow yet; ice in the ponds is melting. Our storms have been wind and rain.



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Posted by:

NB

Subject: JTF/ Baseball/Kinsella

Loved your post, though I don't follow baseball till it's World Serious time. I wonder how many people realize that WP Kinsella, author of Shoeless Joe which Field of Dreams is based on, is a Canuck ? Sometimes it takes a bit of an outsider to capture the essence of something -like Robbie and Americana. (My brother's wife from Pennsylvania was seriously taken aback when she learned JRR wasn't American).

At the risk of sounding like Raleigh and his "did you know I was at The Last Waltz" routine, did you know Kinsella used to live just twenty minutes up the road from me, but now lives just twenty minutes down the road from me ? My favourite quote of his is "When it comes to the facts, just make them up as you need them". Now isn't that incredibly sensible when you stop and think about it, not to mention highly convenient ? Kind of a recluse like his Terence Mann character, Kinsella is. His public readings are great, very funny. He became disillusioned with baseball after the big strike in '94 and turned to competitive scrabble. So what's next, "Field of Words", I guess. NB


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: winter weekend

They’re predicting an cold weekend with a lot of snow this weekend in Holland (and Germany). The available salt provision to clear the Dutch roads will be empty just before the snow burst will start this Saturday they also statet, ha!

So tomorrow the wood will be piled up next to the wood stove and we will not leave the rockin’chair till the weather has become normal again. A good time for old Whiskey next to the fireplace and Morris Dickstein’s Dancing in the Dark. A Cultural History of the Great Depression to get in the mood for Woody Allen’s Radio Days. Also on the menu the great Premier Jour du Reste de Ta Vie, to reload for the week to come.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

JTF: Nicely written, though I'm not sure I buy into it. What about hockey, dad lacing up your skates, scalding chocolate, frozen toes and a new appreciation of the value of wearing a cup - all that stuff? Also, would "unimagined heroics" boil down to, like, catching balls impressively?

NB: "French Song" was written by Ian Tyson and broadcaster Peter Gzowski, whose son John has his own impressive CV, including involvement in Meryn Cadell's brilliant "The Sweater" (see link). As for Ronnie singing that specific fox song, could be, but not that I can think of.

Empty N: When I came back after two weeks I had time to just whiz through the GB posts. Sorry I missed yours with those interesting-sounding links.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Adding to what Tull just wrote..

Unlike other sports baseball is a day at the park, an easygoing sport I think. In that light I believe if you can't be there live it also translates well to radio & TV. I grew up with Vin Scully in LA and, unique to baseball, the announcer has a lot of time to fill with interesting data, stories, etc. Vin Scully was great at that. I recall a brief period in the early 70's when Howard Cosell was part of a Monday Night Baseball series - he too was terrific at that time-filling aspect. In that same way, the people one goes with to a game can make a big difference in its enjoyment.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Baseball

Baseball is more than a mere 'sport'. In the U.S. and Japan and Latin America, it is a 'pastime'. It is about the hope of Spring, long summer days, and glory or stinging defeat when the autumn leaves fall. It is about a little boy's childhood bonding with his father, and that same grown boy's taking his own children to their first game, possibly in the same park his dad took him. Baseball is about statistics, fluke plays, unimagined heroics by the forgotten bench player or horrible blown plays by the superstar. It is about the cycle of life, and 'getting them next year'. No other sport has that to that degree. Watch Field of Dreams or listne to John Fogerty's Centerfield. American or European Football may have bigger faster, better athletes, they may be more popular, they may be flashier, but they will never share the same heart and soul that baseball has.


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Posted by:

NB

Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan and The Band: One Single River (Song for Canada) 1967

This might be of some interest, maybe not. Some great pics of Big Pink in video portion though. (Did Hawkins ever do a cover of Manfred Mann's "Like A Fox On The Run" ? I thought he did but can find no evidence of this. I'd almost think I was losing my mind, except for, well, you know). NB


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks, Simon

Hope you are fine, Simon


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Posted by:

Serenity

Austin City Limits: Friday, January 8th

Gnarls Barkley/ Thievery Corporation

Description: Gnarls Barkley performs tracks from 'The Odd Couple;' Thievery Corporation performs tracks from Radio Retaliation... Station Channel--WNED 61-- Start Time: 11:30 pm 60 minutes

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January 7th, 1970: Famed Woodstock farmer, Max Yasgur is sued for property damage by his neighboring farmers.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Elvis Costello

Did any one see Elvis Costello's Spectacle last night? It was formatted as Elvis being interviewed by Mary Louise Parker. When he spoke about his influences as a singer, he spoke of his admiration of Rick Danko and Van Morrison. They even put up a photo of Rick .

The show is very interesting. Two weeks ago Levon was on.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Location: still freezing here in Kitchener,,

Subject: Potpourri....

This Day in History, January 7

On January 7th, 1610, Galileo discovered Jupiter's four largest moons.

In 1610, Galileo, using his primitive telescope, discovered the four major moons of Jupiter: Io, Europa, Ganymede and Callisto.

In 1789, the first nationwide U.S. presidential election was held. The electors chosen by the voters unanimously picked George Washington as president and John Adams as vice president.

In 1927, commercial trans-Atlantic telephone service between New York and London was inaugurated.

In 1931, as the Great Depression was getting under way, a report to U.S President Herbert Hoover estimated that 4 million to 5 million Americans were out of work.

In 1989, Japan's Emperor Hirohito died.

In 1993, the EPA released a long-awaited report that classified environmental tobacco smoke as a carcinogen.

In 1998, a federal jury in Denver was unable to agree on a penalty for Terry Nichols, convicted in December 1997 in the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building. That meant he would not face the death penalty.

In 1999, U.S. President Bill Clinton's impeachment trial opened in the Senate. He was acquitted.

In 2005, Mississippi authorities arrested an 80-year-old man for the 1964 killings of three civil rights workers.

Also in 2008, the war crimes trial of former Liberian President Charles Taylor resumed at The Hague. Taylor was charged with crimes against humanity for supporting rebel troops in Sierra Leone's civil war that claimed about 300,000 lives in the 1990s.

In 2008 sports, former major league pitcher Roger Clemens filed a lawsuit in Houston charging that his former trainer defamed him with allegations of steroid use.

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Did You Know? January 7th is:

Old Rock Day, Fruitcake Toss Day, I'm not going to take it anymore day!, Organize your home day, Clean out those closets!!!

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OUT OF THIS WORLD

NASA announced it had found significant amounts of water, in the form of ice and vapor, under a crater at the moon's south pole. No word yet on whether the bottling rights have gone to Evian or Palomar.

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Trivia Facts:

What makes a penny special? The Penny is the only coin currently minted in the United States with a profile that faces to the right. All other coins – the silver dollar, half dollar, quarter, dime, and nickel – all feature profiles that face to the left.

What does Yahoo stand for? The name of the Internet's most popular directory, is an acronym. According to the company, the name "Yahoo" stands for "Yet Another Hierarchical Officious Oracle." Do you Yahoo?

Where do bananas grow? Bananas do not grow on trees. They grow on plants that are giant herbs and are related to the lily and orchid family.

How large can roaches get? The world's largest roach (which lives in South America) is six inches long with a one-foot wingspan.

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Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: middle-aged waist-land

Jan H: I don't disagree, but I have to point out that much of C&W and many '60s R&R revivals involve overweight juicers. Maybe not so much the chewing tobacco when it comes to rock and roll, but still ...



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Posted by:

Peter V

Jan, as you'll know, in Britain baseball is called rounders and only played by kids too young to play cricket, or by girls schools. However, when the flak wings its way across the Atlantic, be thankful that all those who could discuss Norway's record in the Eurovision Song Contest over fifty years, are in Europe so therefore probably agree with you. So we're not saying anything about "nul points".


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Delicate Subject: What makes me posting still

Bill M: I wish you didn’t miss my “during your GB vacation 2 posts and links about Les Tziganes Ivanovitch” I had your person in my mind when posting, not to say I posted them as specially intended to you, I don’t know the reason why…
A few posts later I linked (surely with Bill M image in my mind too) the trailer of a German movie “Die Falschung (Circle of Conceit)” of Volker Schlondorf, a masterpiece, shot live in the middle of the streets war in Beirut 1979, more a documentary than a fiction, you can distinctively hear a song of Fairuz in the movie (the same time Bruno Ganz started shaking booty) , and I believe in the trailer too

Steve: (instinctive reply) Thanks for your reading, This kind of men are those who have been presented in the books of chivalry as Knights, in all the meanings of the word. This kind of men are those who have been betrayed by History… Si Kaddour Ben Ghabrit.

To say anything more right now, it’s to betray too


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Posted by:

jh

Location: The home of speed skating and cross country skiing
Web: My link

Subject: Baseball and other "sports"

Baseball is a children's game over here, it's not considered a sport. I put it in the same league as bowling, darts and ludo (see link above). I mean, a "sport" where slightly overweight men walk around chewing tobacco, and several of the "heroes" were alcoholics while they still played? (ducking)


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I saw Dawson play quite a few times as I am a Mets fan and watched many Met Expo games as well as seeing a few. DAwson was no doubt a force and he did have an ability to shift the thinking of some players in how they would approach an at-bat but there have also been a host of ball players that have had that effect. He was also a great assest to the lineup in protecting or being protected by Gary Carter. That's a nice punch right there. BUt again, like I stated before, when you have to have a debate about it, is it then Hall worthy and the bigger the debate, the less the argument can go in favor of entry. Please, I have admiration for Dawson, but Hall of Fame should be for the elite, not the almost elite. Defense matters no doubt but the reason he is in is more because of his longevity and the stats compiled - the defense helps and maybe what put him over the top for some voters but defense isn't why he went in.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I heard a two part, 4 hour long radio documentary on France a couple of months ago and the stat that stuck with me was that the highest percentage of Jews that survived in any occupied country in WW2( 83% according to Empty's link) were the Jews in France.

The Muslim involvement in helping shelter the French Jews wasn't mentioned so this is an interesting new aspect of the story to me.

The documentary was done by a transplanted anglo American or Canadian I can't remember which, who has lived in France for more than 20 years.

I had the feeling he was attributing the survival of the Jews to the determination of the French citizens to resist collaborating with the Germans in spite of their gov't.

It makes sense that an organized group like the Muslims would have the ability to spread the word, move quickly and help in a wider way than individual French citizens.

Brien, I was doing a little more thinking about the Dawson legacy this morning and I remembered another important aspect of his game that wouldn't show up in his stats.

Longtime Montreal Expos color man for TV and radio, Duke Snider, often commented on the way Dawson effected the way power hitters on opposing teams changed their approach to batting when Dawson was in center.

The doubles and triples hitters that hit for the power allies turned into singles and doubles hitters as they tried to avoid hitting the ball anywhere Dawson could reach it and that was a huge chunk of center field.

That doesn't show up in The Hawk's stats which is why more than batting stats get you into or keep you out of the hall.

I think if you'd seen him play between 76 and 86 you'd be a believer.

I also love the fact that as a free agent making a million a year with the Expos he handed Dallas Green a signed contract and let him fill in the salary numbers to show how much he wanted to play in Chicago. What a man!


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Tape Speed

Some may recall that there was also a tape speed problem with Miles Davis' classic "Kind Of Blue". The first side of the album was recorded on a tape machine that was running a bit too slow. Over the years, musicians had been perplexed that the pitch sounded sharp on the issued recording. Many years later, during the preparation of a Sony gold-CD reissue, a safety copy was discovered in the vaults that was recorded on another machine, running at the correct speed. Subsequent reissues have featured this version.


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Posted by:

Bill M

My sense of fairplay caused me to relisten to the first King Crimson, but by myself and at higher volumes. Both helped. Still some pretty tiring bits, but more than enough good bits to compensate. Always liked Michael Giles's drumming. His way of cutting up time makes we wonder how he would have sounded on New Orleans/funk/reggae.

Yesterday's purchase was a Mingus CD titled "The Impulse Story", which I bought solely because I love "Better Get Hit In Yo' Soul", which was the subject of the last (brief) conversation I had with Garth.

Empty N: Am now listening to a Fairuz CD released on EMI's Hemisphere label. From the titles it's something of a tour of the 'middle east', with two of seven songs being about Beirut and one each about Mina, Amman, Kuwait, Egypt (Misr) and Baghdad. No Maghreb, sorry to say. Speaking of which, your link to the fate of the French Jews in WWII reminded me of the politically charged spurning of Vichy water towards the end of "Casablanca" which was on the screen at the restaurant we ate at the other evening.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: All This And More

Pat B: The tape-speed issues with the Salvo Procol Harum reissues have caused quite a stir. I've read Mr. Cohen's original observations posted in another forum, which are more extensive than what was excerpted on the PH site. Evidently the speed issues are only with the first two Salvo reissues. I still have the Westside reissues, as well as several other versions, but have only obtained "A Salty Dog" from Salvo, which sounds fine to me.

"Shine On Brightly" was engineered by Glyn Johns, along with Eddie Kramer & Alan O'Duffy. Perhaps they would be the ones who could determine what is the correct pitch of the recording. Mr. Cohen has corresponded with producer Tony Visconti regarding the issue, but I don't believe he has checked out the Salvo version closely enough yet to reach an opinion.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Baseball and The Band

If I had to name the most devout baseball fan I've ever met, I'd have to say it's Randy Ciarlante of The Band. Randy has transcended normal baseball statistics and can recite a players' playing record, as well as his current salary and free agency status.

For the last five or six years I've been giving Randy my 1950's Topps baseball card collection, one card at a time, one gig at a time. The day after this past Christmas I gave him my last Gil MacDougall. The next time I see him, which will probably be on Sunday, I'm going to give him my 1978 edition of the Baseball Encylopedia, since I got a new edition for Christmas.

From what I've gathered Randy was a good pitcher with a lot of no-hitters under his belt (we'ren't we all?) before he dedicated his life to the "skins." And the rest is history.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Steve

South of the 49th parallel Anti-Expo bias is what it is!! : )


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Posted by:

Steve

BRien, I'm guessing by, you recall much of his career, you didn't really see him play in his prime and that's understandable since he played in what the vast majority of baseball fans consider a foreign country. Wait it is a foreign country.

I think it's telling that when he went to Chicago, where most ball fans know him from, and was playing right field because his knees were shot, the right field fans would stand and bow to him when he took up his position.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Wally Moon

My first MLB hero


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

That's a great sentiment Lars. When I played as a kid, I wanted to be Tommie Agee. After him Felix Millian. When I played in High School and beyond Kieth Hernandez was the guy I admired.


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Posted by:

Fred

The Hawk (as in Andre Dawson, not Ronnie Hawkins) NOT a great baseball player?!? tsk tsk tsk : )

Lars: I really liked your post.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Beyond the woods

Subject: The days out in right field

Everybody who followed and played baseball had a favorite player, at one point or another. Mine was Al Luplow. I picked him out of a box score in a wrinkled copy of the Sporting News. He was an outfielder and he was batting third for the Cleveland Indians in the early 60's. He never really made it big in baseball, but he was my idol.

Anybody who ever played an inning will never forget the smell of leather from their old glove. The feel of hitting a baseball with the sweet part of the bat. The thrill of slidding into home. Maybe our heroes weren't always champions... or in the Hall of Fame, but they were part of baseball and, in turn, part of our way of life. Thanks for trying, Al.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Location: Freezing Kitchener, Ontario..

Subject: More stuff & nonsense....

Hi guys. It's me again with a mixture of stuff. Hope you enjoy some of it

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SADAVID:Thanx for link. She has a beautiful voice. So sad, as she was so young.

STEVE: I'll bet you do. Keeping NORM in view isn't needed. You would enjoy his company, sense of humor, and he could entertain you as well. What more could you want?

PETER V & all: Hope the weather will get warmer for you. I've seen the pics from the UK and what a lot of snow. And poor Florida too. Think I'll buy more frozen orange juice this week, as prices may be going up. I'm lucky I don't have to go out at this time. Lucky me.

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My stuff for the day.....

Classic Quotes by Carl Sandburg (1878-1967) American poet and biographer:

A baby is God's opinion that life should go on.

A book is never a masterpiece: it becomes one. Genius is the talent of a dead man.

Anger is the most impotent of passions. It effects nothing it goes about, and hurts the one who is possessed by it more than the one against whom it is directed.

TRIVIA:

How many Oreos have been made over the years?

If every Oreo cookie ever made were stacked on top of each other (more than 345 billion), the pile would reach to the moon and back more than five times. Then again, if placed side-by-side, they would encircle the earth 381 times at the equator. The 345 billion Oreo cookies sold to date would fill up the world's largest freight train, consisting of 660 freight cars, more than 45 times.

Does the nose know? The nose cleans, warms, and humidifies over 500 cubic feet of air every day.

Is there wind in space?... The Sun's solar wind is so powerful, it has large effects on the tails of comets, and scientists have determined that it even has measurable effects on the trajectories of spacecraft.

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BRAIN TEASER:..Today or Tomorrow

When the day before yesterday was referred to as the day after tomorrow, the day that was then called yesterday was as far away from the day we now call tomorrow as yesterday is from the day which we shall now be able to speak of last Monday as a week ago yesterday. What day is it?

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A Thought for the Day Maya Angelou said: "If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain."

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Notable Events, Jan. 6

In 1759, George Washington married widow Martha Dandridge Custis.

In 1838, in Morristown, N.J., Samuel F.B. Morse and his partner, Alfred Vail, publicly demonstrated their new invention, the telegraph, for the first time.

In 1912, New Mexico joined the United States as the 47th state.

In 1919, Theodore Roosevelt, the 26th president of the United States, died at the age of 60.

In 1942, a Pan American Airways plane arrived in New York, completing the first around-the-world flight by a commercial airliner.

In 1950, Britain formally recognized the communist government of China.

In 1984, the first test-tube quadruplets, all boys, were born in Melbourne, Australia.

In 1993, dancer and choreographer Rudolf Nureyev died at age 54 of cardiac complications. His doctor later confirmed Nureyev had AIDS.

Also in 1993, jazz trumpeter Dizzy Gillespie died of cancer at age 75.

And in 1993, it was announced that Japan's Crown Prince Naruhito would marry a 29-year-old Foreign Ministry official, a commoner.

In 1994, U.S. figure skater Nancy Kerrigan was clubbed on the right knee. The attack, which forced Kerrigan to withdraw from the U.S. Figure Skating Championships, was traced to four men with links to her leading rival, Tonya Harding.

In 1998, some 300 people were reported to have been massacred in the past several days in Algeria's bloody civil war.

Also in 2004, a London newspaper said Princess Diana claimed in a letter written 10 months before her 1997 death that Prince Charles was plotting to kill her.

In 2005, a Texas appeals court overturned the murder conviction of Andrea Yates, the Houston-area woman who drowned her five children in their bathtub. The court, which ordered a new trial, cited judicial error.

In 2006, rescuers worked through the night in an effort to reach Muslim pilgrims trapped in the rubble of a collapsed building in Mecca in Saudi Arabia. At least 53 people were reported dead and 64 injured.

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Until Next Time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Calvin

I have to agree with Brien in that while Dawson was a good ball player, he was never a great one. And certainly wast seen as a HOFer during his career. I'm a big believer in how a player was seen during his career, and as The Hawk finished in the top 10 in MVP voting 4 times in 21 seasons, well........

Is he really any better than Dave Parker? What really bothers me is his OB% for his career is lower then the league average during the time he player. A player who makes more outs that the average players doesnt belong in the Hall, unless like Maz or OZ you are universally considered the best defender ever at his position.

But like Brien I think there are a lot of members in the HOF that have no place being there.

BTW, Chris Hillman in an interview in the FBB book puts the whole debacle at the feet of the Stones-saying the FBB other than Parsons didnt want to play at a ego exercise by the Stones who in their arrogance wanted to out Woodstock Woodstock.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Mr A D

Fans that are new to the game like Brian Sz or have never played, normally overlook defense - they act like ADD stimulation junkies, they love home run derbys & slam dunk contests, etc. I believe it's true that offense sells tickets & defense wins games. I do agree however that if the HofF was culled by 1/3 that AD wouldn't be there.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Pat, that was a fascinating and educational link. Thank-you!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Steve - baseball is my sport. I've been a big fan since the earlyish 70's. So I recall much of Dawson's career and he was a threat no doubt and a very good ball player. BUT to put him in their with the likes of Mantle, Mays, Aaron, Foxx, Williams, DiMaggio, Berra, Seaver and a host of other elites, he's a peg or two below that class. He's not even Jim Rice. I'm of the thought that if you say a name and have to pause, you're not a HOFer. But again, that's me. When it comes to the Hall they could thin at least a third of the names out. Dawson was a real good player, and would have loved to have him on my team but HALL worthy - just not quite. Again, when your season average is 27HR, 96 RBI's and a .278 avg. that just doesn't sound HALL worthy. Check out Albert Bell who will never get in - he did in 10 years the same or more what it took Dawson to do in 21.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Tinnitus: Sadly For Many, The Soundtrack of Life

Steve: That German research using music sounded interesting. Music may also be the next big thing in treating stroke victims. My tinnitus isn't that bad but the accompanying hyperacusis is sometimes no fun. That's where innocent, often ordinary sounds in a quiet context get translated by the brain (or whatever) as pain sensation.

There are also sounds in some recorded music that it hurts me to listen to, Celine Dion aside. No, I'm talking good stuff like the drum intro on the opening cut on Levon's Midnight Ramble Vol. 2. Did your article mention hyperacusis, or just tinnitus ? By the way, I've found caffeine sends the hyperacusis through the roof. NB


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien, did you see much of Andre's career when he was with the Expos?

Doesn't Andre get a special break here in the GB. He certainly deserved that name he was known by in Montreal, The Hawk. When you share membership in a very elite, 3 man club, that includes only Willie Mays and Barry Bonds and it's home runs and stolen bases that get you in you've acquitted yourself remarkably well in two of the game's top offensive categories.

If you saw The Hawk play between 76 and 86 you saw one of the best all around players in the league over that period.

You have to remember that the stats he put up in Chicago, which were stellar, he did on knees that were ruined by playing on Montreal's cement hard astro turf.

And still he put up all star and MVP numbers on those knees.

If you could freeze frame the guy in motion on the base paths you were looking at a Rodin sculpture. Run, throw, hit, steal bases, play like a hawk in center field and handle himself with a serious dose of integrity off the field, Andre did all that and more. But you had to see the him play to get the whole picture, he was one of those guys.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Tull, I really loved the improved audio quality of the Westside Box set from the lat 90's. It was a completely new listening experience, similar to the new Beatles remasters. However, these new Salvo releases have a major problem that is addressed at the above link. I believe that the Shine On Brightly album is definitely in the wrong key, mistakenly sped up at some point in the mastering process (probably on an analog deck). Oddly enough, back in the day I recall buying and returning at least two LP copies of Home for the same reason, although the speedup was much more radical. Now I wish I had kept them as collector items, but back then $3.10 was $3.10.


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Posted by:

Simon

Dunc, I think I felt the same re Pete T when the story surfaced but I do think it's worth noting that the authorities confirmed he didn't actually download anything - had he done so it would have left a trail and he certainly would have been charged. The general gist of it (and it's a truly depressing subject) was that he briefly accessed the crap but the police weren't going to let him off totally because he didn't d-load. He may run his mouth off and be occasionally controversial but I do find it it a bit sad when people repeat the misinformation. What he did was wrong, though, I'll not dispute that but it does (according to the police) fit with his 'story', such as it is. Not to say they gave him any praise or anything but they did conclude he was honest and upfront about it and his visit *was* fleeting and they believed his rationalisations /explanations but they weren't going to make an exception just because he was a famous musician, hence he was put on the register. Which I suppose is fair enough. To be honest it's not a subject I'd want to dwell upon and I didn't at the time since I'm not an uberfan, but I think it's a bit of a shame that the distinction isn't made.

On the other hand GB readers may remember Townshend being critical of the Hawks in a piece printed in Mojo a while back ... well, I did find this explanation/apology in the Times from April 20th 2009:

"I agreed to do some radio interviews and some e-mail interviews when the Who's last album was released in 2006. But the first few face-to-face interviews immediately got me into trouble. In one I did with Rolling Stone, for example, I said I thought Bob Dylan's work with the Band was corny. I said it, but it was not quite what I meant. I meant that Dylan suffered because he changed from folk to rock too late and the Band had spent such a long time supporting the old then-vintage Canadian rocker Ronnie Hawkins for so long that Bob arrived as a rock artist sounding like an old timer already. The Band seemed to keep all their truly innovative tricks for themselves. That was a gaffe I regretted because I adore Bob Dylan and the Band. I sent letters of apology and Robbie Robertson replied saying, 'I hope you're not losing your teeth!'"


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Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Thanks Pat B for the reminder that Keith Reid recited those lyrics. The live version was recorded with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra.

Although Robert Hunter was a non-performing member of the Dead, he was officially included along with all the various members who had performed over the years with the group when the Dead was inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame in 1994.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Procol Harum

Pat, that's Keith Reid doing the spoken part? Cool. I always thought it was Robin Trower for some reason. Question for you: I have the early cd's such as Shine On Brightly, A Salty Dog etc that are over 20 years old and have always assumed their muddiness is do to the recording quality of the time. Are the remasters worth the investment such as on the recent box set?


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Posted by:

Carmen

I prefer the Garcia solo work over the Dead.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Various

Bill M and Steve:Thanks

I bought working Man's Dead after being recommended on the GB, but found it disappointing. However, I like Dylan and the Dead for some reason, yet everybody else finds it disappointing. Also, a friend at work gave me a loan of Garcia's TNTDODD and I really liked it.

Peter:I'm not a musician, but I remember many years ago, Charlie Watts used to be credited with being the 'best' musician in the Stones. I remember Ian Stewart referring to his fellow Stones as my 'three chord wonders'. I'd want Charlie and Ronnie there, but I agree certainly the songwriters have to be there.

I remember Townshend talking about Keith Moon being a musical genius, John Entwistle being a musical genius and he, Townshend being outstanding... so it was difficult for Roger Daltrey.

Probably the only claim to an original concert I've got was seeing 'Who's Next' for the first time. It would be done in Scotland first before being performed in London. Iron out the faults. I thought it was a great show and I really remember Keith Moon. But I think the Who's legacy is the singles that broke the British charts...but I went off Townshend because of the downloading.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

I'm sorry, but Andre Dawson is not a HOFer. He was a good player but not great. He had one monster season and the rest are complier stats over 21 years. He didn't even reach 500 homers, never had a 200+ season worth of hits and only had 4, 100+ RBI seasons. Certainly a good ball player and at times very dangerous but not immortal for the HOF. See link for more details and especially the composite year stat - good not great. But when it comes to the BBHOF, I'm a strict grader.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: Lloro

As Mike Nomad said, thanks to Serenity for noting the passing of Lhasa de Sela . . . .

Check out this video.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: ... The Good Old Day's ??? ...

... First time I've read through most of the days posts in some time. Interesting ...

... The Hells Angels put a nail in the coffin of Altomont. I was there and totally sober. I still live and work in San Francisco. I saw many shows at The old Fillmore and Winterland, in the park and Tahoe etc. etc. ... I knew and still know a few Hells Angels. Because we a "acquaintances" I always have and always will steer clear. They are AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN bad news ... Like I said Pigpen, an original member of The Greatful Dead was a member of The Hells Angels. That's probably why the connection got made and blame was placed. Who knows ? ...

... I gave up trying to justify The Greatful Dead a long time ago. What people forget or don't understand is the context in which all these bands and people operated. The "60's" in The Height and San Francisco were NOT all people seem to make it out to be. George Harrison put it best after his brief visit to The Height. You can look it up yourself. The thing I will say about The Dead is, they didn't give a shit. PERIOD.... They were musicians totally consumed with music. They played for fun. A show at The Fillmore in 1967 cost maybe $5.00 and The Dead would play all night. Take 15 minutes between songs. Talk to the audience. It was more like a giant living room. If you weren't there you have no idea what your talking about. The Dead played SHIT about half the time and pure genius the other half. As pure musicians they were un matched. If you don't believe me, spend the TIME and sift through the shit and wake up to the genius ...

... Shit, now I'm rambling like one of those idiots who used to follow The Dead around ... Oh, one of my best friends used to do that ha-ha-ha ...

... Not sure what I'm saying here except Altamont was fucked up. The Flying Burrito Brother's played a great set. The 60's sucked. The Band were greatness. The Greatful Dead were greatness. Good music is good music...

... Check out Sky Blue Sky by Wilco. It takes a few listenings and best heard through headphones. ... Band Quality friends. There I've said it ...



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Posted by:

Adam

That should read "the members of the Dead DIDN'T specialize in writing lyrics."


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Posted by:

Adam

Saying the Dead would have been fine without Robert Hunter is greatly inaccurate. From what I've read, the members of the Dead really specialize in writing lyrics. When Hunter collaborated with Jerry Garcia, he would write the lyrics and Garcia would put them to music. Robert Hunter, to me, is the secret weapon the Dead had that set them apart from everyone else. The songs from their 1970-1972 "Americana" period are among the best you'll hear anywhere... and that's including anything The Band did.

The best Dead material comes from their Europe 1972 tour. Stocked with new songs (many unreleased at the time), album tracks and covers, they took Europe by storm and delivered some of their most inspired, focused performances. The recordings from this tour show how rich their sound was. Bill Kreutzman's drumming is solid and dynamic... it was during this period that Mickey Hart had left the band, so the weak 2 drummer Dead sound was gone and Kreutzman's solid, jazzy style is at the forefront. Phil Lesh was in fine form as well... a very creative and technically skilled player, one of the greats for sure. Keith Godchaux was the new member at this point, and his piano playing had a great jazz/blues flavor that mixed perfectly with Pigpen's soulful (though admittedly limited) organ playing. Add to that Bob Weir's solid rhythm guitar playing, which fills in some of the space and serves as a bed for Jerry Garcia's brilliant lead guitar work. On the 1972 Europe tour, Garcia's playing was amazing. Such great phrasing and solos, with a tone to die for.

Yes, I've been obsessed with the Dead lately. I never used to like them at all, until I started listening. Get past the image, some of the fans, and the way long jams, and you have incredible songs and musicianship. Check out the previously mentioned live material on the releases "Europe '72", "Hundred Year Hall", "Steppin' Out" and "Rockin' The Rhein".


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Andre Dawson

He's in!!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Of course, In Held Twas In I.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Subject: The milk is finally curdled...

David P, let's not forget that Keith Reid performed with Procol Harum on record and live--the spoken part of In Held Twas I.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Further Reduction Of All Things Dead

Peter, I'd say you can further reduce the Dead songs worth listening to by dropping some from the two mentioned albums. I'd say AB can do without Operator, Candyman, Brokedown Palace, and the miserable, Attics Of My Life. On Workingman you can take an axe to everything but Uncle John, Dire Wolf, Cumberland Blues and Casey Jones.

Talking about Jones, I'm off for a ski with Norm.


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Posted by:

David P

"Tennessee Jed" first appeared on the "Europe '72" album and has subsequently been included on several other live Dead compilations.

As I mentioned not long ago, John Perry Barlow has collaborated with Bob Weir on many other compositions recorded by the Dead. So the group has worked with two outside lyricists over the years.

Another notable collaborative songwriting team, involving an outside lyricist, is that of Elton John & Bernie Taupin.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Funny you should mention King Crimson, whose first album I asked for and received at Christmas. I was surprised and disappointed how lame it now sounds. Every time "I talk to the wind" goes through my head, the next words are "and the wind is my love" - that is, I've shifted to Jerry Jeff Walker circa Circus Maximus. Not that that's a bad thing ...


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Posted by:

Peter V

King Crimson had "outside" lyricists too.

I quite like Touch of Grey and bought the album at the time. If I could only rescue 100 albums from ensuing disaster, American Beauty would be among them. If it was 100 songs, Uncle John's Band would be. But Workingman's Dead and American Beauty between them contain the great majority of Grateful Dead stuff I'd ever want.


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Posted by:

Bill M

For me, the most interesting thing about "A Touch Of Grey", which sounds like a two-line tape loop, is that so many others found it interesting. But if some of the guys needed the money, and this made some for them, great.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: In the autumn of their madness, when their hair was turning grey...

Peter: Studio recordings with new material from the Dead were infrequent in later years, as they began to rely more & more on live/from the vault recordings. Robert Hunter & Jerry Garcia did, however, continue to collaborate, most notably on "Touch of Grey", their biggest commercial hit that helped revive their career for the MTV generation in 1987.

As for Band connections, Rick covered "Ripple" (from American Beauty) on "Times Like These", and Levon recently covered "Tennessee Jed" on "Electric Dirt". Both were composed by Hunter (lyrics) & Garcia (music). Garth, of course, included an instrumental version of "Dark Star" on "Sea to the North", which originally featured lyrics by Hunter and music credited to all the Grateful Dead members.

One could draw a comparison with Procol Harum's lyricist Keith Reid, with that of Mr. Hunter's role in the Grateful Dead.


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Posted by:

Peter V

As Robert Hunter didn't perform with them (though did perform solo before them) his presence wouldn't have been missed. If he'd stopped writing and Garcia continued, it would still have been the Dead. But I don't think they wrote much of interest in the later years? I may be wrong. Never sleight the Grateful Dead as their followers are absurdly loyal.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Mr Kite?

Steve: Speaking of benefits, I can no longer think of Wembley stadium rock without thinking of Spinal Tap's "Hello Wimbledon!" at the big benefit a couple of years ago. But yes indeed, that's a golden couple of minutes of wall-to-wall Garthisms. There's even 'radio' static as he twiddles the knobs moving from 'station' to 'station'.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Hallucinagarthic

Wow, Bill, I just experienced the hallucinagartic Wembly performance. What can be said! It almost reminds me of the calliope effect George Martin got on "Mr. Kite" but done live and probably created on the fly.

I think at the end just before The Band joins in Garth gets a look on his face like he's finally found exactly what he's been looking for and the song kicks off. Thanks for the assignment. Gotta go, Richard is about to do Georgia.


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Posted by:

Steve

Serenity, thanks for the answer. I won't pressure you to come on the Yukon Quest this year, but going with Norm is out of the question unless he agrees to pull the sled. I'd like to keep him where I can keep an eye on him at all times.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Hell's Angels at The Last Waltz

"When you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear the HAMC colors on your leather Jacket"

Hell's Angels poets seems like a contradictory concept, but later on into Mr. Grogan's review of The Last Waltz, he mentions the appearances of Sweet William (William Fritsch) & Freewheelin Frank (Frank Reynolds) during the poetry recitations at the concert. He does point out that Sweet William was a member of the Hell's Angels and that he'd accompanied him at Altamont. I would also point out that Freewheelin Frank was also a member of the Hell's Angels, who'd authored a book, perhaps assisted by a ghost writer, about his experience as the one-time "secretary" of the motorcycle club.


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Posted by:

Steve

The Onion has a book out called , appropriately, Our Front Pages. My favorites are, but I'm highly susceptible to Bush humour by or about Bush, are the pages about the 2000 US "election".

The day of the election they had to go to print before the court made Bush president so their headline was, BUSH or GORE elected president. By the time of their next edition Bush had been crowned and the headline was, BUSH CHOSEN PRESIDENT, NIGHTMARISH DECADE OF PEACE AND PROSPERITY FINALLY OVER.

Peter, in the case of The Dead the main songwriter, I think you might have even referred to him as such, didn't play on stage as far as I'm aware. If he quit writing and left the band could the Dead still legitimately go on tour calling themselves, The Dead, without him officially still being in the stable since that point seems to be important?

What a can of worms!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: Diggers

David P: We had our own group of Diggers in the late '60s. Their chief spokesman was youth worker and community activist David Depoe. He's the second from the left in the photo in the above link to an excellent documentary from the time, "Flowers on a One-Way Street". I'm pointing it out not because I think you do or should care about Toronto politics but because of the musical connections. Basically the thing's about moves by City Hall to take out Yorkville, or at least its 'hippie' culture. Here's what Joni Mitchell had to say about it: "They paved paradise, put up a parking lot with a big hotel, a boutique and a swinging hot spot." Also of musical note is a scene or two showing a local rock group onstage. I forget who exactly, but it's either the Dirty Shames with Amos Garrett or the Knack (aka the Dickens) with James Ackroyd, a refugee from Winnipeg who'd been in a Toronto-based group with Neil Young (and Ken Koblun) called Four To Go (aka the New Squires) and who later rode the the Festival Express with his group James and the Good Brothers. Through connections made there, Dead and Airplane members played on J&TGB's only album; Ackroyd's also on David Rea's "Slewfoot" album with NRPS and Dead members. If you type "Christopher's Movie Matinee" in the site's search engine you'll get info about another NFB movie that clearly shows a clip of Amos playing and singing the title song as a member of a group called the Children. You can't see the whole band, but you can see the guy who wrote the song, Bill Hawkins.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: (about being F-I-N-N-I-S-H)

The best place to follow Finnish/American family life is Mr. Torvalds' (LINUX) family blogg. Occasionally I will post a comment there, too.


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Posted by:

Ilkka (again)

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Linux based operating system from GOOGLE which you are bound to use .

Sooner or later some of you will change your Internet operating system to GOOGLE. It will be Linux-based. The man behind LINUX operating system is a Finnish student Mr. Linus Torvalds. My wife studied computer science at the same Institute at University of Helsinki but for several years before Linus. She faced the same problems but Mr. Torvalds came with the solutions, not for the Institute only but for the whole computing world.

Very soon GOOGLE will introduce Linux based Internet operating system.


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Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Emmett Grogan

Ah yes, the enigmatic Emmett Grogan -- prankster, writer & co-founder of the radical San Francisco community-action group, the Diggers. There's also a connection with The Band, as he & his cohort, Peter Coyote (now best known as an actor), at one time set up an east coast base of operations at Albert Grossman's office, through their friend Janis Joplin. There & during certain adventures in Woodstock, they also became acquainted with the members of The Band.

Mr. Grogan later co-wrote several songs with Rick, which were included on Rick's debut solo album -- "Brainwash", "Java Blues", "Sweet Romance" and "Once Upon A Time". Grogan was also present at The Last Waltz & the pre-concert rehearsals, and subsequently wrote a lengthy review of the proceedings (see above link). His piece begins by contrasting Altamont with TLW. You will notice that he skillfully neglects to mention any connection that he & the Diggers had with the San Francisco branch of the Hell's Angels.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Windows/Apple/Linux on Stockholm-Zurich-Munich-Nice(French Riviera) Airports

WINDOWS: - Dull executive (male) working even on his holliday.

APPLE - Sexy young women using Twitter and Facebook or creative males.

LINUX -beside me, old ladies from Wales, happy with home cooking (Welsh rarebit and stuff like these...)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dry Floyd (without Waters)

Good thought, Calvin. I'd say that "time and success has made it so" though I would have said not if the idea was presented to me at the time of the split.

I think Townsend / Daltrey are The Who (Townsend interviewed recently seemed very dubious, but Daltrey believes 2010 could produce the best Who album ever ). You have the writer, and the lead singer.


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Posted by:

Carmen

Is Pink Floyd Pink Floyd without Waters?


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Obama Briefed On Briefs

I've waited since the flaming underwear episode for that headline, guess it won't happen now.

The briefers are probably now working on how to blow this up into a case of "an underwear of mass destruction threat".

The difficult question probably is whom they should hang the supply of exploding underwear on. What nefarious 3rd world, Muslim , sweat shop produced the briefs? Or were they boxers? That's probably the kind of info that can't safely be released to the public yet. It may be years til it's safe to answer the, briefs or boxers, question.

This should of happened on Bush's watch. It's so bush, and Obama is much too dignified to have to deal with this .

Damn I miss Bush. Mr. President, was your gov't aware that the homeland was susceptible to attack from the nether regions. Ah, I think our intelligence agencies were completely under aware of any sort of attack coming from, as you called it, the nether lands.

Northern Boy, there might be relief for your tinny ears. German researchers have discovered a way to bring at least temporary relief from the situation and the solution is musical.

They do testing on the patient to find the frequency of the noise. Then they ask the patient to submit music that they like to the researchers who then remove any sounds in that frequency from the music. Listening to that music the patient then gets temporary relief from the sound that causes the problem and the brain gets to relax.

For obvious reasons I'm not sure if this remedy will apply to you in your "special" circumstance.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: What's happening with Algerian rock/folk/pop music ???

Due to the snow storm I had to sleep(?) on the floor of a main European airport. I am experienced enough to sleep by the desk of Air Algiers because there is plenty of room. No one will fly to Algiers, and if someone will he/she is strange enough to be avoided. I was disturbed only by some Maghrebi people who asked me in Arabic language about the flight to Casablanca (I answered "La!" in Frenchfinnish) or to Marrakesh (I answered "La - la" because it was the desk behind Casablanca check-in). - I spent my time in Virgin CD store. Last year there was a lot of Rai music and Khaled and LINUX computers. This year: nothing.

I was so curious about this. I watched Algerian TV every day. Nothing music related! Very odd programmes which gave me nightmares. No wonder Al-Qaida network is more and more active in this country.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Altamont (cont)

Ah, an extra opinion I hadn't spotted. Chip Monck said:

Sam Cutler, Rock Scully and Emmett Grogan's idea was "Let's give them more beer than they can possibly ingest. And let's find some really high speed that will really help them out. Then they'll be real security."

Which contrasts sharply with what Cutler and Scully say!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Record Collector (December 2009) has an Altamont lead article with interviews with quotes from sam Cutler, Rock Scully etc. There is a fair amount of buck passing. Michael Lydon, on assignment for the NY Times, says:

“The Grateful Dead particularly had this romance about the Hells Angels – that they were so bad they were groovy; so tough they were fantastic. Outlaws who could be converted to groovy outlaws.”

He goes on to describe the Angels as “real malice; real viciousness. Naked human ugliness of the lowest creepiest kind” which sounds about right to me.

Rock Scully says they were never “hired” . They were given money, $500 for beer, which “came from all the bands not just the Stones” and the hope was that they’d sit around by the generators thus preventing anyone from messing with them. That seems to be the extremity in buck passing, because anyone who views Gimmee Shelter would judge that the Hells Angels THOUGHT they had an official role of some sort, in the way they lined up watching the audience. As David P suggests, the subsequent law suits / murder investigation has coloured the perception of the participants.

Going to the FBB, Chris Hillman backs up TM’s memory and says:

There was very much something in the air that day. It felt very bad. But once we got on to play, we actually got a brief moment of sanity. Maybe it was the change of rhythm but suddenly there was a more positive thing going on. We got a very good reception that day.”

Scully also says they shortened the show after the Airplane set, that the other bands wanted to play but they decided “Let’s get the Stones on and get out of here.”

Best quote? Jack Casady: “What was going through my mind when Marty got hit? … Thank God it’s not me!”

I had that “original members” conversation the other day on the Rolling Stones. Given that Ronnie seems unlikely to be in a 2010 tour that’s mooted, “What is the Stones?” The question is whether ANY line up with Mick and Keef is the Stones, or does it have to have Charlie in it too? We were all great fans of Charlie, but I have to admit that he is probably replaceable without changing the sound that much. They could afford any drummer in the world after all. I think “Mick & Keef” could justifiably go out as the Stones. Mick and Charlie couldn’t. So it’s the lead singer, the driving force and the fact they’re the two composers. The last is important, and why I had my mild doubts about the 90s Band.

The Byrds without McGuinn isn’t The Byrds, for example, even if every other original was there.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Par contre if Steven Spielberg is not completely demobilized to make this movie centered on the "The Righteous among the Righteous from all Nations," I will be glad to play the role,

Didjou!, this way of getting dressed, y’a pas à dire mais… they had style by the mid-20th century, from both civilizatons


Entered at Wed Jan 6 09:28:05 CET 2010 from (41.97.153.180)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Bill M : in cryptography theory, this technique is called “proof without divulgation”
****** * ********

I would like to add the precision about my relationship with [the way I watched] both movies Doctor Zhivagio (David Lean 1965) and Profumo Di Donna (Dino Risi 1974), it is not a form of identification, it is rather a slight different impression of total adhesion to the tale and “I felt myself as the missing character in the tale”

The linked above testimony is aiming only to upset PutEmJeffTrucMachin…
in fact I never miss in any post the slightest opportunity to upset JeffMachin and to bash Robbie Robertson


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: reformations

I liked the FBB in Festival Express. The Band were never The Band for me anymore after Richard died. Interesting at times but never The Band.


Entered at Wed Jan 6 06:36:54 CET 2010 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (205.188.116.5)

Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Calvin, you been in the library stacks or getting that PHD too long now:-) The comparison between the FBB and The Band was on the exact point of your opinion about how you'd feel about reformation with one original member left and 2 ex Byrds in he band if it was The Band circa 1980.. You opened the door on it, you drew the map, I followed your lead :-) I loved the Hillman/Roberts version of The Burritos. Though I haven't heard windmills or She is a Song in ages, I remember loving both records back in the mid 70s. A ex girlfriend nailed Windmills and J.D souther's first album back in 79 or 80. I got Souther's back man y years later, to this day she claims she returned Windmills too, but I ain't buyng that.

I agree with you in some regards about Firefall, but some of those schamltzy songs really stick in your ear.And they were exceptionally well sung. The members were musically powerful and masterly. They could play. Andes is a mother bass player, Bartley is a excellent guitarist. Clarke, many ridiculed his drumming, I was a big fan. Thought he was great. Sad ending. It is kinda hard to reconcile the Roberts from The Burritos and the solo albums with The Firefall Roberts, no two ways about it. I doubt I could listen to Colorado and follow it with You Are The Woman , Just rememerb I Love You,or Strange Way I caught them in Stockton in 78, they were very good,, but I enjoyed the excitment of The Other End show alot more. In 1983 a Firefall with Jock Bartley and maybe Clarke came to St louis. JOhnny Sambataro, from McGuinn Clarke and Hillman, and Gabriel Katonah from Richie Furay's solo band were in it. Samabataro took Roberts place. They were very good, but I was non plussed. As schamltzy and pop as they were, those first few Firefall hits had something ( including great parts and production), but they really did need Roberts voice.


Entered at Wed Jan 6 04:45:59 CET 2010 from adsl-76-202-224-98.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (76.202.224.98)

Posted by:

Pat B

The Post-LW Band had at least 15 members, maybe more.

The relationship between the Dead and HAMC is pretty clouded, but there is no doubt that there was a lot of more than friendly contact between them. I think Tom Wolfe described the connections in The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test. On the Dead's recommendation, the Stones hired the London click of the Angels for their big Hyde Park show and found those members quite accommodating. The SF click proved less so.


Entered at Wed Jan 6 04:39:57 CET 2010 from cpe-98-27-136-197.neo.res.rr.com (98.27.136.197)

Posted by:

Calvin

I wasnt really making a comparison between the Band and FBB, more addressing the larger point of bands reforming at with many key members left.

As a whole I'm OK with it if half or more of the group is present, and of the principle Musician (Usually the Lead Guitarist) and a member who sang a majority and wrote a majority of the songs is present. Although oddly enough I think Daltrey and Townsend should be touring as Daltry/Townsend and not The Who, probably because short of The Band I cant think of another group where the group clearly required every single member to make the sound work.

I'm just not a big fan of the Drummer and Keyboard player "getting the band back together". And while that isnt what happened in Refried Burritos, I guess that configuration is getting a little abuse from me based on my general feelings about reunions with key elements missing.

I guess I don't see Sneaky Pete being an major component in the band. While and amazing Steel Guitar player I think Al Perkins meshed with the sound of the FBB much better. Although I've read the very possible Sneaky's work could have been lost in the mixing as him and Jim Dickson simply did not get along.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Calvin, it's simple. I was clear from the get go. My opinion differed from yours regarding what we thought Hillman's thoughts were about his position, and also Pete's and Ethridge's position in the FBB,and my opinion also differed from yours regarding how our same fully theorized Hillman held opinion effected his thoughts about the band reforming with just Pete and Chris as prior Burritos. That's what I wrote regarding divergence of our opinions and I did not write that you had an issue with The FBB refrying. I was responding to what you presented as Hillman's possible issue.

Your putting the reformation in the context of The Band reforming with one new member circa 1980 does shed a different light on it. But I do not consider it a fair analogy. The Band did not gain or lose members regularly. The FBB was in a fairly regular state of flux.As were the Refried Burritos, carrying on the tradition.Which I discussed at some length. Additionally, time enters the picture.The first FBB run lasted 3-4 years, with HEAVY band member turn over. The great multi lpcompilation Close Up The Honky Tonks featured a band member time tabled diagrgam when you opened it. It was amazing. The Band membErs had been together 16 years before they disbanded, or whatever you want to call it. In mY opinion, the two situations do not bear comparison. But that is just my opinion. And that is what I have been discussing, opinions.

We can agree to disagree. Yes, Manassass, Roberts was never a member (he was around). I thought falling on my sword might have been helpful.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Tiger

Northern Boy - Ha! I think the best thing about this whole caper is that we've been able to see a lot of pictures of his wife. She's a dazzling beauty to me, way better than any of the others that have popped up.


Entered at Wed Jan 6 01:03:08 CET 2010 from (208.83.120.148)

Posted by:

Calvin

Here we do diverge Jeff, Rick Roberts was never in Manassas. Rick is interviewed in the FBB group and mentions he probably could have joined but decided to go solo.

has first solo album Windmills came out right around the same time the first Manassas album did.

wasnt near as good though. I always like Rick Roberts, Firefall is good lite rock listening. Much like the Eagles, pleasant to listen to in the background but never really sticks with you. The thing is I always wanted to like Rick more than that.

One thing that stuck with me in the book is how often the Dilliards Wheatstraw Suite is mentioned as a touchstone album for the genre. Ive never owned it and never heard it-kind of want to now.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Some of those Mustangs Ford made in the seventies, now no way should they ever have been called Mustangs. No resemblance at all. But they were called Mustangs. Now that was ridiculous. But when two guys from a band that shed skin all the time came back and use the name with three other guys, what's the big deal. I can understand the possible sentiment of wanting the band to be remembered as great as it was, but that ain't reality. And music lovers that knew the "original incarnations" would never forget them. The Refries being out there may have brought some other people to the older bands music.

All that said, the first time i saw the Refried BB in 75, i was kinda sorta dissapointed. But I thoroughly enjoyed seeing hearing Kleinow live, and Etheridge was awesome too. I always liked Gene Parsons. Joel Scott Hill wasn't Gram, Rick, Chris, or Bernie, and was extremely different in fact. I got over my dissapointment and enjoyed the show. And many more.

BTW, Rick Roberts went to Manassas also. I believe he was in the band on one record, (and he also cowrote It Doesn't Matter with Hillman and stills, thoguh he didn't appear on that recording.)


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Posted by:

Calvin

sorry folks, I take 6 months off from posting and forget which way the / go.


Entered at Wed Jan 6 00:39:46 CET 2010 from (208.83.120.148)

Posted by:

Calvin

Im dont really want to make an issue about this Jeff, but nowhere in that quote do you have me stating my opinion, just what Hillman said in the book and me saying I was surprised by his attitude. /n so I dont see where we are diverging as at no time have I said or gave any indication what my opinion is. /n I think Chris and Sneaky had every right to go on as a band, they were 2 of the original members and half the surviving ones. Im not sure though how I feel about 1 member, that being Sneaky, going forward though after Etheridge left. Ultimately not being a huge fan of the FBB it doesnt bother me. I know though if 1 member of The Band had of picked up 2 new guys and 2 fil in Byrds and started touring around 1980 as The Band I would have though it a travesty.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Calvin, here is where I see us diverging.Before I quote you let me just state that I hope you dont mind, I left your typos in for authenticity. Similarly, I would hope anyone ever quoting me would leave in mine. You wrote "I was also suprised but the amount of bad feelings Hillman had about Sneaky Pete and Chris Etheridge reviving the FBB name and using it for years. Especially considering he had a bit of a live and let live attitude about Clark and Clarke doing that for the Byrds. All I could figure is he felt Clark had a direct artistic influence on the Byrds and he Pete and Chris were just players with FBB." It is safe to say that in your last sentence you wrote "he" meaning Chris Hillman. So that is where we diverge. I do think that Hillman thinks his value was far greater than just a player with FBB, I also think he realizes that Sneaky and etheridge had far more value than just players in The FBB.

Yes, the refried Burrito Bothers that took form in 75 were a very different band (BTW, etheridge did not stick around long again, Skip Battin replaced him). But what does that mean? In my opinion, Sneaky and Etheridge had every right to the name. especially Sneaky. I did enjoy going to see them play, and each show had some excellent highlights, but no. they were not equal to the older FBBs. The Refried BBs never were a real stunner. But who cares? They made some excellent music, put a smile on people's faces, and that is that.Sneaky was Sneaky, always, Clarke came in and out a few times, Builbeau was excellent, Harris was. The original songs were different, but some were prety darn good. While I'm not certain about the Beland led bands (I bought one record, wasn negatively impressed at the first listen, didn't keep up), the other Refried BBs certainly never embarased the name. They were pros.


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Posted by:

Nothern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Breaking News in The Tiger Drama

As most of you know, Tiger's main sponsor Nike picked up the tab for his major reconstructive facial surgery after his (imminently) former wife Elin recently took a divot out of his face with a nine-iron.

Now not that Tiger couldn't afford to pay for his own medical costs. No, this was simply a case of altruistic corporate Nike wanting to stand by their man in his hour of greatest need. Anyway, the photos of Tiger's Nike sponsored surgery hit the press today. See link. NB


Entered at Tue Jan 5 23:46:15 CET 2010 from (208.83.120.148)

Posted by:

Calvin

Im not sure where you got differing opinions from Jeff, I said I was surprised about Hillman's attitude about Sneaky and Chris using the FBB name when he wasnt that bothered about Clark/Clarke/York going out as the Byrds. I never said I agreed with him. Although I think Hillman is considerably more responsible for the band's sound then anyone else in the group. You know I think he might not have cared if Clark and Roberts would have kept the band going after he and Perkins left to join Manasas (sp?)but seemed annoyed that Pete and Chris reformed the band at A&M's request to, according to the story, make some money because there was interest in the band after Parson's death.

Personally, I have a number of live FBB perfomances. And the Hillman, Roberts, Perkins, Leadon and Clarke group were light years better than any other configuration. Although when they brought in the Bluegrass band after Leadon left, well that was interesting.

My feeling about reuniting varies. Take the Band, 4 out of 5 is legit as can be to me. Michael Clark and John York touring as the Byrds isnt. Townsend and Daltry touring as the Who maybe, but only because the other two are dead. The odd thing to me is the FBB post Hillman and Perkins doesnt even sound like the same band. Not even close.

Etheridge is on record as saying he regrets reforming FBB with Sneaky Pete. Burrito Deluxe seemed a better idea than going out as FBB.

The one thing I do agree with is Parsons just isnt the groundbreaking artist he is made out to be.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Sometimes a not so great notion...

"One way or another, this darkness got to give..."
(New Speedway Boogie -- Robert Hunter / Jerry Garcia)

One can't help finding some dark humor in the notion that the Hell's Angels would list the Grateful Dead as an employment reference. The presence of both groups, years before at Ken Kesey's Acid Tests, was certainly not evidence of any contractual or working relationship.

Evidently, no one involved in planning the Altamont concert seemed to have read Hunter S. Thompson's strange & terrible saga of the Hell's Angels published three years before.

It's easy to understand all the finger-pointing and denial of culpability in the aftermath, as a murder trial and wrongful death lawsuit ensued. And in the end, many questions still remain unanswered.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Fitst time I saw any Burritos was 75. I was fortunate to see dozedns of Sneaky Pete/Burrito performances over the years. From the day The Lone Star Cafe opened, the FBB were regulars.

Pete, you got to see one hell of a band. That Last Of The Red Hot Burritos album always told the story. Did you see them with Roberts, Leadon and Sneaky, or Roberts and Al Perkins? Either way, top shelf.

Only times I saw Hillman and Roberts together was a couple of Chris Hillman solo band shows. Hofstra University coffeehouse was one show, The Bitter End, or by then, it might have just reopened as The Other End was another.This was 1974 I was underage. The drinking age was 18, I was 15, but, looked a lot older. Never got carded any where I went. The Hofstra show,which may have been later in the year than the Bitter end shows, may be ws the next year Merle Bergante was Hillman's drummer, Skip Edwards on pedal steel.

The Bitter End shows,I got tickets for two nights. Roberts, Mark Andes and Bartley were in Hillman's band. The second night I had tickets Hillman was sick. They flew Larry Burnett and Michael Clarke in, and it was actually the NYC debut of Firefall. I'm not sure they were even named yet, The club had each musician's name written in magic marker on a piece of paper on the door. No band name. But they played a lot of the songs that made that first record and it wasn't long later though that they cut their debut and took right off.

Only times I saw Sneaky Pete and Rick Roberts together in The Burritos was when they opened for the Gene Clark/Michael Clarke, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel and Blondie CHaplin version of The Byrds.



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Posted by:

Steve

Dunc, Let's Frolic Again was one of the first to get a spin with the new phones. By the way, we'll meet "down by" the Henry Moore, Dunc, if you don't mind.

The new headphones made the most noticeable improvement on a couple of Dead songs so far. Good and bad, I guess.

Monster you have my sympathy for hearing the Dead live as I have but only once.

The good, you can appreciate the top quality harmonies on Box of Rain and a couple of other songs on American Beauty, quite nice, not Band quality, but, 10 out 10 instead of a Band 11 out of 10. The down side is that you hear the wobbly, out of key, harmonic attempts on live versions of some of the same songs that are added as bonus cuts. Brings a whole new mening to bonus.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: Your local shopguy is no fool! All three have your name on 'em, I'll bet. If the one I suggested is not among them, and you have my email address, perhaps from BEG, then let me know where I should send it.

As for Willie P, he was pretty big on the folk circuit in the '70s and early '80s, but not huge like Cockburn and McLauchlan and Valdy. So maybe more of a cult in some ways, but a cult of other writers and musicians. (I first heard of him via David Wiffen, who was also a much bigger name and who always sang "White Line" in his live shows and recorded it on his Cockburn-produced third album.) The story of how BARK came to be, i.e., how three guys who didn't know each other all that well came together to sing in honour of a shared cult figure is told well in the notes to the best-of comp, "Swinging From the Chains of Love".

To bring Steve into the action, the only Willie P record I have is actually a song he does on a comp that was pulled together to keep a little coffeehouse in the black. Among the other performers are Daisy Debolt and, separately, Allan Fraser, who sings a nice song titled "Doors The Size Of Music", which is what Steve's counting on come spring if he's to get his greenhouse out.

Oh yes, Solid Air. Don't know them, but their name reminds me of a local group called Rare Air. The usual four guys playing rock and roll, but with a big twist - two of them were weilding bagpipes! (Evolved into Taxi Chain, who are still around.)


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: ... Odd Ends

...The idea that The Greatful Dead had "used them" (The Hell's Angel's) is a little odd. Pigpen *was* a Hell's Angel. They were practically family as far as that goes. I never saw The Hell's Angels do "security" for any show much less a Dead show. There was never any NEED security that I ever saw except to keep gate crashers out. Bill Graham had his own security staff for The Winterland etc. ...

...Hear say ... Rubish ...

... As for Marty Balin, I have no idea what that's about. He was kind of a dick anyways ...

...Just my opinion ...



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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Steve

Hi Steve. Get your headphones on and listen to 'Let's frolic Again' Listen to Richard Bell's sensitive organ playing on 'Sometimes It Comes So Easy'. And Garth. A beautiful album.

I'll meet you down at the Henry Moore with a fish to fry.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bill M, Norm

Bill M:It is a bit dark, but it has made me think. The reason I bought this one was because it was the only one in the shop. He's not big here. I'll get you a Solid Air in exchange. There are now three other Cockburn CDs in the local shop.

Another point, Bill. Was Willie Bennet very big in Canada? Or was it a cult status thing? Why did BARK revere him? I really like the Willie Bennet songs on Let's Frolic Again.

How do I buy your album Norm?

Also really enjoying the Neil Young live albums which I have bought over the last year. Bought Dreamin' Man on Saturday. I think it is great.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Every source I've read says the Rolling Stones employed the Hells Angels on the recommendation of The Grateful Dead, who had used them before, and who also seemed pretty calm about Marty Balin in "Gimmee Shelter." But yes, the Stones manager gave them the beer etc.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Bluenote housebands

Bonk: I was talking to a guy about something else yesterday and it turns out that he'd been a member of the Beepers, who took over at the Bluenote from Bobby Dupont's group (he said Sweet Blindness, but I suspect they were still called the Statlers at that time), who he said took over from the Rogues. I checked that with Eric Mercury, who thinks there was somebody else between the Rogues and Dupont's band. Mercury also confirmed my suspicion that he was among the young singers who got up to sing a number or two with Hawkins and our guys during their matinees. (Others included Robbie Lane, David Clayton Thomas, Eugene Smith and John Finley. I'm pretty sure that Zeke Shepherd would have been there too. And then there's Freddy McNulty.)


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: ... Flying Burrito Brothers

... I saw The Flying Burrito Brother's at Altamont. Yes, the infamous Altamont Speedway concert. What most people don't talk about that day is how fantastic some of the music was. The Burrito Brother's came on stage about an hour after we got there early in the day. We crowded our way to the side of the stage about 20 feet from it. The sound was fantastic. The Burrito Brother's were maybe the best music of the day after The Stone's, Yes, The Rolling Stone's, when they were able to get through a song without being interrupted were quite good. My best memories of that day were or The Burrito Brother's. I'll never forget that performance ...

... By the time The Stone's were on we were at the back on the hill overlooking the speedway. We left the side of the stage not long after The Hell's Angel's started kicking people in the face for leaning on the stage...

... Oh and contrary to what I've read Peter V. state on this Guestbook, The Greatful Dead had nothing to do with hiring The Hell's Angel's to do security for the concert. They did, however, refuse to play the show BECAUSE they were there ...



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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: potpourri

Hi guys, and a good day to you all. Full of info,etc. today. Hope you enjoy all of my thingys

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STEVE: Ask me any ??? you wish. If I don't want to answer, I will say so. I always loved the BAND and their "Dixie", but who didn't. This will be lengthy, but you asked so here goes...It all started when my grandson, [God bless him],asked me who ROBBIE was. I made him a cassette of ROBBIE's Native music which he loves. So I checked him out, and lo and behold I found this site.[and glad I did]. Saw him on TV too of which I became interested. Since then I have purchased all of ROBBIE's and the BAND's albums, including the remasters, Bob Dylan's, Neil Diamond's masterpiece, "Beautiful Noise" [Neil says this is his fave], and of course, "The Last Waltz". When my hubby died,[5/30/68] we were both into country and pop music like Guy Mitchell, Teresa Brewer, Patti Paige, etc. Why not the BAND is surprising now when they are my faves.That's the best way to explain my love for ROBBIE and the BAND. Hope this answers your ?? OK.

Being prepared for the Yukon Quest sled dog races is out of the quest[tion] this year. I think it best that you enter on your own. I'm getting too old, and I HATE winter and it's cold weather. I'll stay home where I'm safe and warm. I'm sure you can find another partner. I'll bet NORM would love to go with you, as he seems to like adventures.

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January 5, 2010

Did you know today is: National Bird Day-- FM Radio Birthday (1940)-- Bozo the Clown's Birthday-- National Second Hand Wardrobe Day

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This Day in History, January 5

On January 5th, 1933, construction of the Golden Gate Bridge began in San Francisco Bay.

In 1643, in the first record of a legal divorce in the American colonies, Anne Clarke of the Massachusetts Bay Colony was granted a divorce from her absent and adulterous husband, Denis Clarke.

In 1914, Ford Motor Co. increased its daily wage from $2.34 for a nine-hour day to $5 for eight hours of work.

In 1919, the National Socialist (Nazi) Party was formed in Germany.

In 1925, Nellie Tayloe Ross of Wyoming was sworn in as the first woman governor in the United States. In 1948, the first color newsreel, filmed at the Tournament of Roses in Pasadena, Calif., was released on this date by Warner Brothers-Pathe.

In 1964, Pope Paul VI and Greek Orthodox Patriarch Athenagoras met in Jerusalem, the first meeting of a pope and a patriarch in more than five centuries.

In 1993, the state of Washington executed multiple child killer Westley Allan Dodd by hanging in the nation's first gallows execution in 28 years. In 1998, U.S. Rep. Sonny Bono, R-Calif., of Sonny and Cher fame, was killed when he hit a tree while skiing at South Lake Tahoe, Calif.

In 2000, the Clinton administration decided that Elian Gonzalez, a 6-year-old Cuban refugee whose mother drowned while trying to enter the United States, should be returned to his father in Cuba. The next day, hundreds of Cuban-Americans marched in protest in Miami

. In 2004, Pete Rose, one of major league baseball's greatest stars but barred from the sport for gambling, admitted he had bet on games involving his own team.

Also in 2005, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan launched a $977 million emergency appeal to cover six months of aid for 5 million victims of the Southeast Asia tsunami.

In 2006, at least 134 people were killed in two car bombings in Iraq and more than 120 others were wounded in a second day of heavy violence.

In 2008, tribal violence following the disputed Kenya presidential election claimed almost 500 lives, officials said. Turmoil exploded after incumbent president Mwai Kibaki was declared the winner over opposition candidate Raila Odinga, who had a wide lead in preliminary results.

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Latest news for today: I'm really full if info today, aren't I.

Facebook blocks a social network suicide website. (France 24) (The Guardian) (IOL)

Andal Ampatuan, Jr., charged with 41 counts of murder in the Maguindanao massacre in November, pleads not guilty at the beginning of his trial in the Philippines. (Philippine Inquirer) (CNN) (AFP)

The suicide bomber from Jordan, Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, who killed seven CIA agents in Afghanistan is reported to be an al-Qaeda triple agent. (BBC) (The Guardian)

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TRIVIA:

Did the Aztecs like their chocolate?

Chocolate, as a drink, was a favorite of Montezuma, Emperor of the Aztecs. In the early 1500's, Montezuma drank as much as 50 glasses of chocolate every day. Hernando Cortez, the Spanish conquistador, brought the drink back to Spain in 1529. It remained a favorite of the Spanish royalty for many years before becoming consumed widely throughout Europe. Three centuries later in England chocolate was first used as a non-liquid confection.

How long can a basketball bounce? According to manufacturer Spalding, the average lifespan of an NBA basketball is 10,000 bounces.

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This is very funny:

Mr Bean 'invades' Spain's EU website --

MADRID (AFP) - Some visitors to Spain's EU presidency website were Monday directed to a blog that showed Mr Bean instead of the country's prime minister, whose resemblance to the hapless comic character is a long-standing joke.

The government emphasized in a statement that the site itself, www.eu2010.es, had not been attacked, but that an unidentified hacker had taken a screenshot of the home page to make a photo montage. The mock-up replaced Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero with a smiling Mr Bean, the television and movie character played by British actor Rowan Atkinson, saying "Hi there".

The government, which took over the six-month rotating presidency of the EU on January 1, admitted that the site had become saturated as thousands of Internet users sought to confirm press reports of the spoof. "The alleged attack exploited a vulnerability called XSS (cross site scripting) to users of the website...," the government statement said. "For such attacks to be effective, they must be combined with any additional technique that tricks the user to the website to click on a link that has been maliciously modified..."

Opponents of Zapatero often poke fun at the prime minister by comparing him to Mr Bean.

Until Next Time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Flying Burrito Brothers

I saw them live with Rick Roberts … would this have been late 1970 or early 1971? They did Colorado whatever, so the third album era. I went with friends and we've often talked about it. It would be in the top five concerts I've ever seen … odd, as I didn't think they were much good in Festival Express. But live, playing at unprecedently low volume for the era, they were sublime. And the two that stood out were Chris Hillman and Rick Roberts. I hate to say it, but I remember them as more impressive on the night than The Band at Wembley 1974. That was a great day, but not in my top five by any means.

Whatever, The Flying Burritos certainly played Ain't That a Lot of Love far better than The Band did on "Islands".


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Music and wine

Interesting article from a newsletter I get.Bay area blues.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Sheik It Up Baby

I would also recommend Geoff Muldaur's recent album with the Texas Sheiks, which has previously been mentioned here. It opens with the cut "The World Is Going Wrong", which is also included on the Mississippi Sheiks tribute album.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Calvin, I haven't read the book, but reading your post, and knowing the Burrito history, and knowing some about this to start, plus having read and heard interviews Hillman has given, I have 1.33 cents to toss in the pot.My opinion is as a little different than yours. I think that rightfully Hillman figures he was heavily responsible for the Burrito Brothers, and that because he did not take part in the 75 and on band, that without him it should not have been called THe FBB. That is where you and I have different opinions, our take on Hillman's thinking re himself here. (BTW, the Reformed FBB changed personnel more than the orginal Revolving Burrito Brothers. The Reformed Burrito Brothers, or woudl that be The Refired Burrito Brothers, lasted a lot longer, had several commercial country radio hits, written by Gib Guilbeau or John ( or was it Mark)Beland. I enjoyed when Greg Harris was with em.

Personally I disagree with Hillman begrudging Kleinow and Ethridge., I think Sneaky and Etheridge were within their rights.. Especially since the name Flying Burrito Brothers took life to the evolved title of a wild weekly jam including people like Leon Russell, Bobby Keys, etc, on and on.

Once formed and written in sand, The FBB changed personnel regularly. Hillman had no precedence to call on, except for the fact that he was the only continuous member from day one to the day they disbanded for those years.

But I think Sneaky had about as much right to the name as anyone,even Chris Hillman. Other than drummers, Etheridge was the first to leave. But Etheridge wrote some of the infamous Burrito songs with Gram. And they were extremely different from the ones Hillman and Gram wrote together. Lyrically, musically, straight down the line.Sneaky and Etherdige together, more than right to use the name.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

I finally got my copy of Norm's CD yesterday. I have only had one chance to listen but I like, I like. Congratulations to you Norm. I know it was a long time coming, but is was well worth the wait.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: The Mississippi Sheiks Tribute Album/ Joe J.

I've heard all the cuts on it, but just the abbreviated samples on Amazon. I've at least flirted with the idea of picking it up. As I recall, the John Hammond and Geoff Muldaur cuts were perhaps the best. The Jim Byrnes cut is good, but not great. He should've done "Blood In My Eyes For You", which he covered brilliantly three of four of his albums ago. Better than Dylan's version, which I like a lot and linked to here one day. Dawson tried to get Ry Cooder aboard for the project but I guess that fell through. I also wonder why Amos Garrett wasn't part of this. (He played with Byrnes last time I saw him live, and I shot the breeze with him on the break when he came outside for some nicotine).

Still, Bruce Cockburn's on the CD, as are The North Mississippi Allstars and the aforementioned people. The reviews on Amazon are all very positive, for what that's worth. I suspect I'd like it better than Endless Highway, (the tribute to The Band by various artists), which I gave a pass on. NB


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I don't have the NLSC but will rummage around through my comps to see if R&B is there somewhere - and will listen and report back. By the way, do you have any thoughts on my suggestion, from late 2009, that his Garthship appears to be reliving his teenage DXing years when manning the console during the video of "Genetic Method" that's on disc 6 or AMH? Please don't try checking this out while skiing, or your greenhouse may never get built. And while we're on that topic, I will offer some gratuitous advice: don't leave it til spring to figure out how you're going to get it out of the basement. Unless of course you're planning to skip town.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: RIP Willie Mitchell

Sad to learn that the legendary record producer and musician Willie Mitchell died this morning in Memphis. He is best known for his work with Al Green.


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Posted by:

Steve

Just listened to Liza again to refresh my memory. The interplay is obvious but the sound is hardly what came to be the Band harmonies that started during The Big Pink era. The Liza sound is so different it's hardly compatible with the sound of their recording career as The Band.

You understand I was talking about Garth making those sounds during Rags and Bones? The cat is clear, at least to me, the ice cream truck bells are a bit more of a stretch but they're there in my mind. Garth got as close to tinkling bells as you probably could on a key board in the 70's if indeed it's not just in my imagination.

The cat's meow is there for just a second on the right channel, right after "cat fight", of course. I've heard the song so many times but only heard or imagined it for the first time while skiing yesterday. No distractions or noise and a fantabulous set of headphones I got for Christmas.

Now it's back to the basement for this year's winter project. I'm building a 20 foot long, 16 foot wide green house. The spring's project will be to figure out how to get it out of the basement without cutting a 16 foot wide hole through a cement foundation wall.


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Posted by:

slightly more verbous Calvin

One of my more unique traits is that when I visit an area within a week to ten days my accent sounds like Ive been living in the area for years. Ive always done it, at least in the US, Canada and England. Sort of add really.

Ive just finished reading the Hillman and John Einarson book on the Flying Burrito Brothers-Ive always felt Parsons got way too much credit for the country rock movement and simply wasnt the rock god everyone made him out to be. And while Hillman clearly wants his due, the book backs this up. Anyone else read it? I was also suprised but the amount of bad feelings Hillman had about Sneaky Pete and Chris Etheridge reviving the FBB name and using it for years. Especially considering he had a bit of a live and let live attitude about Clark and Clarke doing that for the Byrds. All I could figure is he felt Clark had a direct artistic influence on the Byrds and he Pete and Chris were just players with FBB.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Truh

Subject: The Imaginarium of Dr Steve

Steve: Couldn't say, not knowing your sleeping patterns. But my wife, who grew up in an old working-class area of the city, right along the tracks, has over the years shared growing-up remeniscences involving, at different times and in varying circumstances, rag-and-bone men, cats, fire engines and ice-cream trucks - so possibly not.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Thanks, Serenity. Also, thanks for noting that singer-songwriter Lhasa de Sela died Jan. 1 in Montreal from breast cancer at the young, young age of 37. As the obit material mentioned, de Sela was born in the Catskills.


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Posted by:

Steve

But, was I just imagining the cat, the ice cream truck bells and the sirens?


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Byrnes

That would be 'Walking Stick' NB. I believe it was on your recommendation.

I don't suppose you've heard the Mississippi Sheiks Tribute Project also on Black Hen? Tom Power played a couple cuts the other day on his CBC radio show (I think the show is local to Nfld.) and they certainly sounded interesting. I believe Mr. Byrnes is also featured on that album.


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Posted by:

David P

Whoops -- that term in the quote should have read "preternatural levels", which is the same as saying supernatural levels of intensified anticipation.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Music

For those wishing to delve deep into how we conceptualize music I recommed the book "Music, The Brain, And Ecstasy (How Music Captures Our Imagination)" (Harper Perennial) by Robert Jourdain. It explores the subject from through chapters examining the concepts of sound, tone, melody, harmony, rhythm, composition, performance, listening, understanding and the ecstasy that music can produce. Of the latter, Mr. Jourdain, describes, in an interesting way, how neurons in the brain can produce endorphins resembling opiates, which alleviate pain and create euphoria, in response to music:

"Yet the deepest pleasure in music comes with deviation from the expected: dissonances, syncopations, kinks in melodic contour, sudden booms and silences. Isn't this contradictory? Not if the deviations serve to set up an even stronger resolution. Banal music raises common anticipations then immediately satisfies them with obvious resolutions. There's pleasure to be had, but it is the pleasure of the bread roll, not of caviar. Well-written music takes its good time satisfying anticipations. It teases, repeatedly instigating an anticipation and hinting at its satisfaction, sometimes swooping toward a resolution only to hold back with a false cadence. When it finally delivers, all resources of harmony and rhythm, timbre and dynamics, are brought to bear at once. The art in writing such music lies less in devising resolutions than in heightening anticipations to reternatural levels. If this process sounds as much like the recipe for good lovemaking as for good music-making, it's because the nervous system functions the same way in all its reaches. The same basic mechanism applies to all pleasures, artistic and otherwise, for the simple reason that this mechanism IS pleasure."


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Just funnin' ya boy. The song that I point to as the finest example of Levon, Rick and Richard trading verses - and clearly having a whale of time doing so - is "Go Go Liza Jane". Even if it kinda puts into question the idea that the interplay was a post-Dylan thing.

Since I'm on the topic of that song, I'll add that Rick's verse, "hound dog, hound dog live with me / I will take good care of thee" is surely echoed, if subconsciously, in Rick's much later verse in "The Weight" - though on that occasion he wasn't so keen to adopt.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, still got indigestion from a New Years party? Or as they say here in Kaybec, Colic! Come closer to the screen and I'll try a screen burping.

Your Band knowledge is much deeper than mine but I thought the Band's vocalists didn't really find their sound til after Levon came back and they started working at Big Pink.

I thought that was what Richard was saying when he said he only realized what they had when they started working on the album Pink. He only started to hear their sound at that point and he really liked it.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Random quote re artists.

Could be any kind of artist. "I think a great artist can be read like a book. In the end, what they presented to you was a “body of work”. You might miss the point of a great book if you skip the chapters whose titles you did not get, or didn’t like.”—Lalah Hathaway. Donny's daughter.

Of course, there is a lot to be said that can go in a mulitude of wide and close angled tangents from that main statement too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Once again, you've hit the nail on the head. While it's glossed over in the books, what Levon really said when Rick waved wads of cash over the phone to entice him back into the fold was "Fuck the money boy; it's enough that I'll be able to sing real purty with you and Richard again."


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Singing For And In Harmony

I heard an interesting program this morning about the bonds formed by singing.

Singing with others helps form bonds of course but singing in harmony with others causes the brain to produce oxytocin ( the love drug). The better you get at singing in harmony with someone the more oxytocin is produced and the closer the bonds become between the singers.

The singers in effect are helping each other get that peaceful easy feeling.

The understanding in Band Land has always been that Robbie was separating himself from the others starting in the late 60's right when the Band was developing their own trade mark vocal sound.

Maybe in retrospect it can be seen as the others, especially Richard, Rick and Levon, sharing something that was making them bond more tightly which was unintentionally moving Robbie out of that circle.

The brain is a marvelous but little understood contraption.

Anyone aware of the relationship between singers in other groups especially when the groups sound is being formed, when the love is young?


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Posted by:

Steve

Serenity, I have a question for you. Hope you don't mind.

When did you start listening to The Band ? I remember when you mentioned the year your second husband died I did a calculation and discovered I was in grade 7 at the time. I missed the formative years of the Band and didn't really catch up with them til the 70's. I'm wondering if you were aware of them in the early 60's.

While I'm interested in The Band's music, I'm also interested in the people who are interested in the same music I am. That's what keeps me coming back here at this point. Feel free to ignore the question if it's out of bounds.

Of course if you don't answer 'll be back with questions for you about your preparation for the Yukon Quest sled dog race, it's only a couple of weeks away.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Dave's list, music news.etc.

A little late in posting. Busy, busy.

MIKE: A late Happy Birthday wish. Hope it was a good one.

BEG: Good link on Jane Fonda. ROBBIE sur does get around.

JOAN: Thanx, so do I, but with 2 brothers-in-law not too well I doubt it.

NORM: Gotcha! I did get into your link, but had to use my "refresh" button to do so. Hope you see this. Have a good trip.

BILL M: Those Native American CD's of ROBBIE's are brilliant. I'm a great lover of their music and culture. PBS had his docu of the same awhile ago. It was very good. Won some award, but don't remember which one. Pura Fe are great singers, as well as Coolidge, Kashtin,Joanne Shenandoah,etc. ROBBIE's daughter, Alexandria does back-up on "Ghost Dance". Last night on APTN the one half of Kashtin, Claude McKenzie was on live. Still sounds good. I thought "Sacrifice" with Leonard Peltier was heart-wrenching. If only Pres. Clinton would have freed him as he did others at the time of his departure. I haven't heard any more about him, [Leonard] other than he was very ill. My faves were: "Golden Arrow","Unbound", "Cherokee Morning Song", "Peyote Healing" and Kashtin. Sorry for the ranting, but I loved both the CD's you mentioned. I wonder if ROBBIE is still working on the stage musical of Native American music? Probably disbanded it now, as it would be a lot of work.

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Acclaimed singer-songwriter Lhasa de Sela dies in Montreal at 37

MONTREAL - Globally acclaimed singer-songwriter Lhasa de Sela, who grew up as a semi-nomad in a travelling school bus and ultimately made Montreal her home, has died after a battle with breast cancer at age 37. The Mexican-American musician was known for her trilingual lyrics and folk songs infused with fantasy, magic and fairy tales. She died in Montreal on New Year's Day. "Old stories, adventure tales - although they can be very violent and scary - they don't traumatize me the way modern stories do," de Sela told American National Public Radio in 2005, explaining how she grew up with fairy tales, and developed a lifelong love affair with their styles and imagery. De Sela was born in 1972 in Big Indian, a small town in the Catskill mountains in New York State, to an American mother and a Mexican father.

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Soundgarden's Chris Cornell Announces Reunion:

'The 12-year break is over and school is back in session,' singer tweets. Soundgarden (circa late 1980's) Twelve years after calling it quits, legendary grunge band Soundgarden are set to reunite in 2010. Former singer Chris Cornell made the long-hoped-for announcement on New Year's Eve via Twitter. "The 12-year break is over and school is back in session," Cornell wrote. "Sign up now. Knights of the Soundtable ride again!"

The surprise revelation linked to a Web site that features a picture of the group in action during their heyday and a place for fans to enter their e-mail address to get updates on the reunion. Entering that information unlocks an archival video for the song "Get on the Snake," from the group's second studio album, 1989's Louder Than Love.

One of the most popular rock acts to emerge from the Northwest grunge scene in the late 1980s and early 1990s — alongside Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains — Soundgarden formed in 1984 and scored a string of hit singles with melodic hard-rock anthems such as "Black Hole Sun" and "Spoonman," anchored by singer Cornell's banshee wail and guitarist Kim Thayil's screaming notes.

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Monday, January 4: Michael Cera (Youth In Revolt), Jenna Elfman (Accidentally on Purpose), David Gray (CD, "Draw the Line")

Tuesday, January 5: Amy Adams (Leap Year), Zachary Levi (Chuck); Vampire Weekend (CD, "Contra")

Wednesday, January 6: Julian Casablancas (CD, "Phrazes for the Young")

Thursday, January 7: Nick Jonas and the Administration (CD, "Who I Am")

Friday, January 8: Teri Hatcher --(Desperate Housewives), Comedian Jake Johannsen, The Dodos-- (CD, "Time to Die")

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Rod

Web: My link

Subject: An intersting comparision of Robbies guitars

cool picture. Hope I've got the link right.


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Posted by:

Mike

Location: Colorado

Subject: The weight

I herd this song playing over the speaker system at home depot the other day. I found myself sitting in the aisle just listening and forgot why I was there. I went home, downloaded the tune and listened to it about 5 times. What a great tune!! No wonder it hit #43 on Rolling Stone greatest tunes of all time list.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Stormin' Norman

I got Westcoaster's CD today. I had to smile when I heard that voice....smooth as aged whiskey. Norm always had a real good voice. Very country. Goes well with those big, rough hands playing that guitar. Well, I lived to see it...way to go, Westie.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, there's raw, medium and well done stuff out there.

Then there's the sous chef who adds so much to the final offering that it's hard to credit only the guy wearing the chef hat pulling in the big salary.

I was thinking of you today as I was skiing listening to Northern Lights/ Southern Cross and enjoying what I'm coming to think of more and more as Garth's album, the sous chef with the big bushy beard who's elder to the Chef but who adds just the right spices in just the right amounts.

Rags and Bones has a dash of cat, a scoop of ice cream truck and a splash of fire sirens. YUM!


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Joe J : Santa CD's

Did Santa bring you "House of Refuge" by Jim Byrnes, or his latest "My Walking Stick" with its truly great cover of "Ophelia" by our guys ? NB


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: "Twilight"

Bill: I love the way you stated your point about the creative process. Stephanie Meyer, the author of the incredibly successful vampire romance books, "Twilight," says the idea came to her in a dream. She never had aspirations to be a writer but wrote down her dream a few years ago and her first book was born. Now five years and 85 million books later, she is a very wealthy young woman. I wish I could have a dream like that one. The books may be crap and maybe hundreds of authors (published and unpublished) are better writers, but Ms. Meyer delivered the stories her generation wanted to read and see on the screen. If that were so easy, everyone sitting at Starbucks typing on their Apple would be living on a ranch in Utah.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: You're absolutely right about Robbie's ability to take what he hears in life - people's sayings, people's stories, etc. - and turn the raw material into songs. Often great songs. Too bad that not everybody else can do the same, even when the same material is available to them. Anyway, I hope Sebastian can and will share some light in answer to my question - but like everyone else here, he comes and goes as he pleases.


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Posted by:

Steve

Robbie often speaks in other people's voices. His songs sometimes sounded like they were lifted straight from Levon's lips, though we know they weren't, just ask him.

I'm starting to get the feeling Sebastien ain't coming back with the answers. Maybe he'll be back to promo the album and we can tackle him then. Maybe Robbie can't remember the answers. Maybe he's saving them for the book. A book was promised wasn't it?


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Subject: Bill M :

of course, by omission


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Profumo Di Donna (1974)

Thanks for coming back, for the info, and for evoking one of my preferred movie on the rebound, Scent of a Woman, but the original Italian version Profumo Di Donna (1974) directed by Dino Risi. There are only two movies in my life where I knew a strange mixed feeling of transportation as if I am part of the tale while wishing the tale never ending. The other is David Lean Dr Zhivago. I was so subjugated that all what I expected from the remake with Al Pacino was a plus. Nada. I was somewhat like a Lars watching Celine Dion performing Canadian Driftwood. In normal conditions, as a fan of Emmylou Harris I must have notice her presence in the soundtrack. Nada

"The master of Italian comedy [Vittorio Gassman] in one of the most convincing interpretations that the cinema has ever known. He succeeds in giving life to a gruff and prickly character in his embittered derision of the world that surrounds him, but at the same time conquered in his strong awareness of his brittleness and his need for the others.He knew how to endorse acting the absolute expressiveness of a face with empty eyes. "

Footnote: one should notice that I even don’t mention Robbie's name on the soundtrack. Fact which must implicitly be construed as bashing: bashing by omission of the bashed subject, Wow! this is new and this is to be classed in the category high acrobatics Robbie's bashing,


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Accents

Bill: I think you bring up an interesting idea with your question about Robbie's accent. Having lived in Southern California, rural Virginia and Northern New Jersey in a short period while growing up as a Marine Corps brat, I noticed my own accent changed with the places. I've also noticed how some people revert back to an old accent when they visit old friends who do speak with regionl accents.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Bumbles at Gitmo ...

... and even then they'd have to make him listen to the blues and nothing but the blues.


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Posted by:

Stevie

Subject: Bumbles, Found and Lost ?

Newark NJ, has just been added to that new homeland insecurity list of Muslim terrorist states that includes Cuba for some reason only understood in the upper echelons of Homeland Security.

Will Newark, have to be towed out into international waters til that guy who walked through airport insecurity into the "SECURED" area of the airport and then just vanished, is found ?

Bet you it was Fuggin Bumbles. You know how much he cherishes his anonymity. They'd have to take him to GITMO to get more than "Bumbles" out of him.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I've had Norm's CD on for a few days too. Agree with Dee, "mighty fine listening" indeed. Highly recommended!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Serenity

I hope this decade will be better and bring you joy.


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Posted by:

Bill M

"Scent of a Woman" was on the tube last week. I missed the first bit, so was surprised to see Robbie Robertson and "Evangeline" mentioned in the soundtrack credits at the end.

Dunc: In other soundtrack news, a bit of a song from Bruce Cockburn's "You've Never Seen Everything" (the one about his identity having been swiped a million times) was used on a documentary about belonging that we stumbled onto over the weekend. Frankly though, I'm kinka sorry that it's that album you bought as an introduction to Cockburn; too dark for me, for the most part, though the key line from the lilting closing make-happy song, "Messenger wind bursting out of the sky lighting each tiny speck of the human kaleidoscope with hope" keeps niggling its way in and out of my brain. I'd direct you to "Nothing but a Burning Light" instead. In fact, I'm even willing to send you the second copy that I for some reason acquired (likely a brain cramp at a garage sale) if you like. I'll also encourage you to scout out a copy of "Dancing Alone: Songs of William Hawkins" on the internet. You have Cockburn singing one song, Murray McLaughlan singing two and a whole bunch of talented worthies singing the rest of two CDs worth of others.


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Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: Westcoaster

Darn....was going to tell Mr. Jones that the check is in the mail.

Guess I'll just put on the CD and listen to him while doing the daily tasks. Mighty fine listening!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Happy new year, all. (Westcoaster: personal greetings sent to your cablerocket address bounced back, I'm afraid.)

I spent a fair bit of time over the holidays listening to Robbie's Native Americans and Redboy CDs, and fell in love with both of them all over again. Do any of you know the name of the lead voice in the Six Nations Women Singers? What a voice!; such harshness, strength and beauty, most especially on the stunning "stomp-da di-ba-ha" two thirds of the way through "Stomp Dance". (Empty N and Ilkka might be reminded of Oum Khaltum and others of her ilk.) Lots of the ethereal guitar playing on both albums is David Gilmour-like, but you get Sly circa "Life" on "Rattlebone" and the ringing guitar highlights of Michael Murphy's "Wildfire" elsewhere. And that dirty chugalug on on "The Lights" (by Bill Dillon?) is pretty impressive too.

Question for Sebastian (who plays on "Native Americans", I see): Any idea why Robbie came to revert to his old Toronto-ish accent on the spoken part of "Rattlebone" that starts "Here's where we go off the map"? Otherwise he sounds pretty LA throughout both records. Maybe he was hanging out with Dillon or the Six Nation singers just before doing that bit?


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Westie, do ya think the sea is any happier to see you coming than you are it?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Out - 2 - C

Up @ 04:45......showered and away for at least a week trip on the angry winter sea.

Now y'all gawd damn behave while I'm gone.....buncha little scally-wags


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Southside

Subject: Xmas Music

Everyone's gone home but gosh it was quite a Christmas.

Much music. Santa brought me Marley and Los Lobos to fill holes in my collection. Also Jerry Lee, Merle, K'naan, Jim Byrnes, Spencer Davis and (courtesy of the young lady who well may be my first daughter-in-law) Iron & Wine's first.

Just chilling tonight and listening to an old favourite, Joni's 'Hejira' with Last Waltz links to our guys. Next up is 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns'. Lousy title but compelling music.

Did I mention Kathleen Edwards and Ray Lamontagne? So much music, how much time? And Norm's CD is on the way. Life is so good.


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Posted by:

Jim Ignatowski

Subject: Cold Soup

Thanks Gene. I did read the notes from the recording. I'm still curious who wrote this tune, and was it ever recorded. If anyone has any additional details I would appreciate it. Thank you


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Thanks for the birthday nod, Angie. But I've never really loved myself. Too many fault lines. I prefer to love others. ("And the jukebox blared/ and sang to me of cold beer/ of salted peanuts and of young love./ And, oh! I miss them all."


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

NG, is that football of the US of A variety, or footbal of the Brit variety. The way NB tends to spell makes me question which he'd be watching. Of course, had he, like his big brother, been born in Brooklyn, I wouldn't have to ask.

Regardless of the pedigree, during a commercial break of the football game, would you please inform Northern Nutjob that Joni was safely ensconced in her Manhattan Hotel room watching glimpses of The Woodstock Festival on the news.

Who was the historian here anyway. Wasn't there a rumble about history and histoirnas back a bit here?

Gawdamn, I bet Norm could tell NB noone expected that many of those freaked out Gawdman drug shootin long haired godless kids to turn up!

NG, I believe that was your first post! Today is a day that shall live in infamy!


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Posted by:

Northern Girl

NB's watching hockey at the moment. But if he were here, he'd probably say something like, when you're "half a million strong" you "don't need no stinking permit". NG


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

NB, in a northern nutshell, it was set for there, the town pulled the permit pretty darn tootin close to curtain call.



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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: My Final Offering, Take It Or Leave It !

You wouldn't have this huge "where does upstate NY REALLY begin ?" fiasco that you currently have, if someone back in the sixties had simply had the good sense to actually hold Woodstock AT Woodstock. Anyway, that's what my older and wiser Brooklyn, NY- born brother tells me. Hockey's on! NB


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: I'm In An Upstate New York / Phantom Migraine Of The Metropolitan Opera, State of Mind

Great(ing) Offend(0 :

To paraphrase "Blazing Saddles", "thanks Jeff(0 for that fine example just now of upstate NY frontier gibberish". That had about the same clarity as McKinley Morganfield. Where's Rick Mercer when you really need him ? Probably watching the World Junior Hockey Championship, which is where I should be right now. NB


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Giant Problems

In point of fact, the football Giants are from NJ, not NY.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie parties with Jane Fonda......ok....Al Pacino too.

Always remember that you're a strong person Serenity.....All things must pass. Wishing you more joy to comfort you.

Everything's cool Norbert. Thanks. :-D

Here's an amazing poem I emailed to a few people but thought all of you would appreciate. Also.....to Nomadic Mike....He just celebrated another BIRTHDAY! Yesterday was it? This poem is dedicated to you in particular 'cause you're the Birthday Boy!

Apparently Charlie Chaplin wrote the following poem on his 70th birthday on April 16, 1959.

As I Began to Love Myself by Charlie Chaplin

As I began to love myself I found that anguish and emotional suffering
are only warning signs that I was living against my own truth.
Today, I know, this is “AUTHENTICITY”.

As I began to love myself I understood how much it can offend somebody
As I try to force my desires on this person,
even though I knew the time was not right and the person was not ready for it, and even though this person was me.
Today I call it “RESPECT”.

As I began to love myself I stopped craving for a different life,
and I could see that everything that surrounded me was inviting me to grow.
Today I call it “MATURITY”.

As I began to love myself I understood that at any circumstance,
I am in the right place at the right time,
and everything happens at the exactly right moment.
So I could be calm.
Today I call it “SELF-CONFIDENCE”.

As I began to love myself I quit steeling my own time,
and I stopped designing huge projects for the future.
Today, I only do what brings me joy and happiness, things I love to do
and that make my heart cheer, and I do them in my own way and in my own rhythm.
Today I call it “SIMPLICITY”.

As I began to love myself I freed myself of anything that is no good for my health -
food, people, things, situations, and everything the drew me down and away from myself.
At first I called this attitude a healthy egoism.
Today I know it is “LOVE OF ONESELF”.

As I began to love myself I quit trying to always be right,
and ever since I was wrong less of the time.
Today I discovered that is “MODESTY”.

As I began to love myself I refused to go on living in the past and worry about the future.
Now, I only live for the moment, where everything is happening.
Today I live each day, day by day, and I call it “FULFILLMENT”.

As I began to love myself I recognized that my mind can disturb me and it can make me sick.
But As I connected it to my heart, my mind became a valuable ally.
Today I call this connection “WISDOM OF THE HEART”.

We no longer need to fear arguments, confrontations or any kind of problems with ourselves or others.
Even stars collide, and out of their crashing new worlds are born.
Today I know THAT IS “LIFE”!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Northern Nutjob, Objectively speaking, the subjectively reltively gray area in question is Orange County. Whilst people in Westchester County would probably all gladly consider themsleves in thr suburbs, and that is where they are. Orange county is another story. Orange houses Bear Mountain, Cornwall, West Point,Newburgh ( at The Northern End), some mountain roads that require plenty of nerve coupled to stupidity to navigate in a blizzard. Whilst I am subjectively reluctant to consider Orange county upstate, why I don't know, I imagine Orange County dwellers would disagree with me. Orange is very close to NY, as are other areas that noone would consider Upstate. Whether or not your mispachah ( family, hebrew version, mispuchah, is the yiddish version) lives there, it's a very relative thing.

Ulster County is clearly upstate. So is Sullivan County.

Long Island is out in left field, in this case located on the eastern side of the state. Aks any NYer who doesn't live in Long Island, they will unanimously agree.



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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Relative Objectivity

Grating Offend(0: You're giving me a phantom migraine just trying to keep up with you.

As for "relative objectivity", who can be even remotely objective when it comes to relatives? For instance, take Northern Girl's Mom (my monster-in-law). P-L-E-A-S-E ! NB


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Posted by:

(Formerly) Far Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Don't Do It ! (ie. Get "Hyderized" Next Time You're In Hyder, Alaska)

For four years, when I used to be Far Northern Boy, I lived just three hours south of Hyder in the little town of Kitwanga, BC or as we affectionately called it, "The Wang". Sadly, there's also a youtube video of people actually getting "Hyderized" in the Glacier Inn pub in Hyder, (but I throw up if I watch it so I've linked instead to a print synopsis of this dubious northern tradition). NB

PS. For you jog-free buffs, Alaska is undisputably "upstate America", whereas "upstate NY" clearly begins somewhere between Albany in the north and the northern NYC city limit to the south, depending on which NYer you're talking to.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Yes. But I expected you to go for "NB's Relatively Objective Subjective Theory of Relative Objectivity."


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Posted by:

NB

Great Offend(0:

Good one. Or, in full, "NB's Relatively Subjective Theory of Relative Objectivity".

Serenity: You're welcome ! I've also been to both the towns of Chicken, and Toke, Alaska. I've even officially been "Hyderized" in Hyder, Alaska. As you can tell by all of these slightly askew destination points, my travel agent is a bit of a fellow nutjob. NB


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Expressions Explained

Thought some of you might like this history trivia...

Expressions Explained, Part I

In George Washington's days, there were no cameras. One's image was either sculpted or painted. Some paintings of George Washington showed him standing behind a desk with one arm behind his back while others showed both legs and both arms. Prices charged by painters were not based on how many people were to be painted, but by how many limbs were to be painted. Arms and legs are "limbs," therefore painting them would cost the buyer more. Hence the expression, "Okay, but it'll cost you an arm and a leg." ---

As incredible as it sounds, men and women took baths only twice a year (May and October)! Women kept their hair covered, while men shaved their heads (because of lice and bugs) and wore wigs. Wealthy men could afford good wigs made from wool. They couldn't wash the wigs, so to clean them they would carve out a loaf of bread, put the wig in the shell, and bake it for 30 minutes. The heat would make the wig big and fluffy, hence the term "big wig." Today we often use the term "here comes the Big Wig" because someone appears to be or is powerful and wealthy. ---

In the late 1700s, many houses consisted of a large room with only one chair. Commonly, a long wide board folded down from the wall, and was used for dining. The "head of the household" always sat in the chair while everyone else ate sitting on the floor. Occasionally a guest, who was usually a man, would be invited to sit in this chair during a meal. To sit in the chair meant you were important and in charge. They called the one sitting in the chair the "chair man." Today in business, we use the expression or title "Chairman" or "Chairman of the Board." ---

Personal hygiene left much room for improvement. As a result, many women and men had developed acne scars by adulthood. The women would spread bee's wax over their facial skin to smooth out their complexions. When they were speaking to each other, if a woman began to stare at another woman's face she was told, "mind your own bee's wax." Should the woman smile, the wax would crack, hence the term "crack a smile." In addition, when they sat too close to the fire, the wax would melt...therefore, the expression losing face."

CYA soon xoxoox


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Posted by:

Steve

Hey, Lars, want to bet on the Vikes, Giants game? I'll give you 30 points if you take the Giants. Na, that's no incentive. I'll give you or any other Big Boo Hoo Blue fan 40 points. If you lose all you have to do is make a post proclaiming the Giants team the "Buster Douglas" of Super Bowl Champs.

If the Giants lose by less than 40 I'll say they ain't the Buster Douglas Champs of the NFL. The bet is open to any Big Boo Hoo Blue Fans. If the Blue only lose by 40 we'll call it a draw.

JQ, if Dawson played for the Yanks he'd been in the first year of eligibility. He had all the skills in abundance.

NB, you're probably the only person to experience "phantom brain" thoughts.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Links

Hello Serenity, and happy new year. I don't know what to say. I clicked on both links I put up this morning a couple of times, and they are both working fine.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Nutjob,your ealrier statement is widely recognized as "NB's Subjective Theory of Objectivity."


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Thanks Nutjob

NB, you certainly clarified soemthing for me. A while back I came across "Head Smashed In Buffalo" ,"Alberta "sans the "Jump." There was something about butchering too. Not knowing better I figured it was a reference to a Indigienous Canadian hockey player.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Andre Dawson

Steve - It looks like there's another movement afoot to get him into The Hall. His stats are interesting & compelling but the voters need to break out of their conventional thinking about membership requirments. He totally belongs in there, eh?


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Posted by:

Serenity

Location: -9 here in Kitchener

Subject: potpourri

Hi guys.

STEVE: I'm sorry too about my losses. It wasn't a pleasant decade, but life goes on..

GENE: Thanx. Glad you enjoy my lists.Been awhile, but I do enjoy doing them if I have the time, and some like you are interested. They are in my inbox, so I need to copy and paste them now. Thanx in response to my losses, but the families are really hurting. One sister had 6 kids, and many grands and greatgrandkids.

NORM: Had trouble getting into your link, but will try later. I'm anxious to hear the music.

NB: Thanx for your link. Interesting for us Canucks to read. Never heard of it until now.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

With the movie out now, I thought this joke fits right in:

Sherlock and Watson

Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson go on a camping trip, set up their tent, and fall asleep. Some hours later, Holmes wakes his faithful friend. "Watson, look up at the sky and tell me what you see." Watson replies, "I see millions of stars."

"What does that tell you?"

Watson ponders for a minute. "Astronomically speaking, it tells me that there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, it tells me that Saturn is in Leo. Time wise, it appears to be approximately a quarter past three. Theologically, it's evident the Lord is all-powerful and we are small and insignificant. Meteorologically, it seems we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. What does it tell you?"

Holmes is silent for a moment, then speaks. "Watson, you idiot, someone has stolen our tent."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

January 02: 1975 John Lennon scores a legal victory when the US District Courts order that the department 0f Immigration files pertaining to his deportation case be unsealed.

1/03/1945: CSNY's Stephen Stills is born in Dallas, Texas.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This Day in History, January 3

In 1777, the Continental Army commanded by Gen. George Washington defeated the British at Princeton, N.J.

In 1938, the first March of Dimes campaign to fight polio was organized.

In 1959, Alaska became the 49th state of the union.

In 1961, the United States severed diplomatic relations with Cuba after Fidel Castro announced he was a communist.

In 1967, Jack Ruby, who shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald, the assumed assassin of President John F. Kennedy, died of cancer in Dallas.

In 1969, police at Newark, N.J., confiscated a shipment of the John Lennon-Yoko Ono albums "Two Virgins" because the cover photo, featuring full frontal nudity, violated pornography laws.

In 1990, deposed Panamanian dictator Manuel Antonio Noriega left his refuge in the Vatican Embassy in Panama City and surrendered to U.S. troops. He was whisked to Florida to face narcotics trafficking charges.

In 2004, a Flash Airline Boeing 737 crashed shortly after takeoff from Sharm el-Sheik in Egypt, killing 148 people.

Also in 2004, a NASA robotic explorer called Spirit touched down on Mars, sending a signal to California that it survived the descent through the Martian atmosphere.

In 2005, Indonesia's Ministry of Health announced another 14,000 deaths, bringing the total of lives lost in Asia's earthquake and tsunami disaster to 155,000.

In 2007, an Iraqi prison guard was arrested for illegally videotaping the Baghdad execution of deposed leader Saddam Hussein and posting it on the Internet.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Who needs you......I got Mexico

A taste of Eddy Raven from way back when.........Northern Kid......you gotta quit using those big words I don't understand. What is it?????? you teachers just got to stay in practice???????


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Retraction

For the hundreds of you that thought there really was a Sundrynonsense, Saskatchewan, well, objectively speaking, there isn't. However, there is definitely a Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump, Alberta. I certainly enjoyed my visit there, and look equally forward to going to Hell, Norway someday. NB


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Music & Related Cyber Mysteries

The web page is to my brother's site. It's beginning to take shape. You can click on "Artists behind the music". When the pictures come up, click on the picture, and a profile of the artist comes up.

Click on "hear songs" and get a sound bite there are several pages, Laurie is finally getting done.....


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Missile Lane E Us

Gene: You're welcome. Glad you're a fan of the right kind of sundry nonsense.

Steve: No need to keep feeling sorry for me. Before I became Canada's First Living Human Brain Donor, through the wonders of Trans-Incidental Meditation I trained other parts of my anatomy to take over the cognitive duties formerly handled by my so-called brain. Thanks for your concern though.

(0h Yes He's) The Great Offend(0: I don't think Pompous Lexicon was a Roman Ruler. Pretty sure you're thinking of Biggus Dickus. Personally, I welcome any 2010 Sebastian posts in that they can be informative in a way that no one else's here can be. As for objectivity, it's highly over-rated in my mind (no wait, make that "over-rated in my foot"). In fact, if I've said it once then I'm sure I must have said it , oh , at least once:

"There can be no actual objectivity, merely the recognition of the universality of subjectivity". NB


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Wrought in the Naughts

The Naught Decade brought many changes, both bad and good, in the world of music. As a function of an art form, it reflected what transpired around and within the artists. The presentation of music was also altered by the technology of the digital age bit by byte. For those of us who came to celebrate music in this guestbook and other spin-off internet sites, we followed the evolving careers of the surviving members of The Band. Levon battled back from cancer, performing and recording with renewed focus and vigor. Garth and Maud blazed their own path on many different projects. And as the decade began to fade, word came that Robbie had returned to the recording studio to waltz again.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: the cold environs of Pine Bush

Hey Pump....since we're not on the ice fighting at this moment....all the best to you and the family for 2010.

Cold & windy around here today. The woods look bleak. Almost imagine an American Indian on a hunt for venison.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Carl" Empty Now "Perkins

Empty, it's: One for the money, two for the show, three to get ready , now GO, CAT, GO!!

I'd post some of the lyrics I thought I was hearing when listening to music on the radio but since they were in a language I was supposed to be relatively fluent in at the time I won't.

I find what people hear as lyrics just as, if not more, entertaining than the original.

It's interesting the way our brains ( my deepest sympathy here, NB) try to make sense out of what we're hearing. We are what we hear.

When I've seen written lyrics of a song I've been singing incorrectly for 30 years it's funny to see how I've imagined words that don't sound that much like the true ones but make the song make some kind of sense, almost. There are so many songs I feel I deserve a writing credit for.

NB a Happy New Year to you, as well, and to everyone else here. Yes, Lars, you too, of course!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Gene, that was Paul Branin, not Brazen, in Levon's Woodstock All Stars. Paul left the area quite a while back. He was excellent on both sax and geetar. Levon had himself one smoking band. These guys were blazin.

There is another incarnation called The Woodstock All Stars. Led by former Shania Twain guitarist David Malacowski. Some killer musicians, Graham Maby on bass for one. Maby was Marshall Crenshaw's bassist wqhen Crenshaqw was at his peak.

Pete Levin, Tony's brother is the organist, Gary Burke is the drummer.Jersey guy Dennis Gruenling on harp.A few more memebrs , it is a large band. I had no idea this band existed, but one of the members told me about them a month or so back.


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Posted by:

Nathan

Web: My link

Wow. I just found this cover of W.S Walcott Medicine Show. It's a pretty good cover that's worth a listen.


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Posted by:

Rocklynn Press

In an act of remembrance and looking upon who we lost this past decade, let's never forget a major passing in this GB.

Raise your glass for a toast and let us remember...

Robert Paul Godfrey

"Shine on."


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

NB, wasn't "pompous lexicon" one of those ancient rulers, around the time of julius caesar, nero, etc? Or is it a location, in Greece, or was it Rome? Gawdamn Gene,you starting all kinds if inquiries around here!

Gene, I expect that Sebastian will return, but it will be closer to the time RR's album will get released. I also don't think it reasonable to expect Sebastian to be objective.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: dubois

Subject: Singing

GENE- Tell Zimmy that I yield to his awesome lung capacity.

Ezra used to play with the Dylan kids. I guess they were pretty spirited. Imagine putting wire between two trash cans on either side of the road, and then waiting on the next car to come. Must have given the poor driver a heart attack.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Dylan Quote

"I am just as good a singer as Caruso. Have you ever heard me sing? You have to listen closely, but I hit all those notes. And I can hold my breath three times as long, if I wanted to."


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: NB

Thanks, that is pretty funny. Brings to mind Dylan's claim (what was it exactly?)... something like, 'I can sing more notes than Caruso and hold my breath longer, if I have to...'?



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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: Sundrynonsense, Saskatchewan.
Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan Backstage

Gene, you'd be wise then to just scroll over all of my posts if that's how you feel. While I'm looking up "pompous lexicon" in the dictionary though, why not check out my Dylan link ? NB


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Dump on Sebastian?

WTF? I probably would question his objestivity, but why bother?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Snobbish?????

Well Gene, you've just proved how gawd damn pompous you can be. I guess we'll just have you proof read every thing so that it meets your approval.

You are probably intelligent enough to know you don't have to put up with any thing. There is always an alternative.

If you want to dump on Sebastian, I guess your answers to the many questions thrown his way would not be in any way as comprehensive as his probably will be.... but then....you just proved your worth.


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Posted by:

BONK

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: Too funny

Happy New Years everyone. Now this really has nothing to do with The Band but it was so funny I just had to share. Besides, I bet Levon would piss himself laughing. Go to. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSaww9vuow


Entered at Sun Jan 3 01:41:23 CET 2010 from ool-44c628ae.dyn.optonline.net (68.198.40.174)

Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Cold Soup

According to one website (http://spacecoast-cdr.com/Band_The/AfterTheWaltz.html), After The Waltz,disc 4,tracks 9-13, are from: The 9:30 Club, Washington DC, 22 July 1988 with the Woodstock All Stars (Levon Helm, Stan Szelest, Jim Weider, Randy Ciarlante, Paul Brazen and Frank Campbell).

David Powell, again I send my thanks, the Salvo, "A Salty Dog" is fantastic. You make putting up with all the pompous lexicon and other sundry nonsense here worthwhile.

Serenity, thank you again for your lists - am so glad that a 'moderator' no longer harasses you about them. I am sorry for your losses and you are in my thoughts.

I guess old Sebastian pulled a Bumbles & disappeared?

Happy New Year!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Westocaster, And Gawd Bless You too, Gawd Dammit!


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Posted by:

Jim Ignatowski

I've been recently listening to the "After the Waltz" collection and cannot figure out where the song "Cold Soup" comes from? It's on disk 4, track 11 and performed by the Woodstock All Stars (Levon Helm). I can't figure out who wrote this or whether it's available on any studio album. Can anyone help with this? Thank you!


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject:

Steve: Happy New Year, and you're welcome. I knew if anyone here would appreciate the irony of ME crusading against misinformation, it would be you. NB.


Entered at Sat Jan 2 18:53:10 CET 2010 from (41.97.196.228)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

The most visible mark of the decade for me myself and I, it is especially a new fashion of music consumption in the Internet
Born a diliciate the irony of ME crusading against misinformation, it would be you. NB.


Entered at Sat Jan 2 18:53:10 CET 2010 from (41.97.196.228)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

The most visible mark of the decade for me myself and I, it is especially a new fashion of music consumption in the Internet
Born a diligent rock music listener, long I was fed by late in the night Radio airings, miles of shop wanderings, and so on months waiting for an album
Plus grave encore, as a diligent rock music listener who don’t talk English, i was bound for decades to hear in every song what it was in my means to hear, to mention only what is Band connected, the famous chorus, “the night they drove Old Dixie down” sounded for me as about a human character, a “bloke” nicknamed Old Dixie, who has been victim of a judicial abuse, since it is sung by Joan Baez, thus it was surely courageous all-protest, the way she intonates the chorus made me settle the context in some rebellious republic of the USA in the witnter of 65, understood 1965, in the midst of the Civil Rights rebellion, when in some suburb the FBI arrested Old Dixie, put him in a car, and drove the innocent straight down to the state penitentiary,
The other famous chorus i heard for decades (guess which song) was « take a lot of funny, take a laugh for free, and and and…. »
On the Internet I catch immediately every English Rock song, I listen it less stupidly. But regretting the part of the dream and the imaginary enrichment, also the perspective of to be tied to a computer a la Matrix is not openly happy, right hand on a mouse and left hand on the headphone volume tuner, three webpages opened, one for the song two for the lyrics, three for wiki & links documents about all what turns around the song from the copyright, Procol Harum Conquistador Percy Bysshe Shelley Ozymandias Ramses II King of The King the Philadelphia Philarmonic for the second studio recorded version the correct lyrics is I see not only all, vertigo surfing speed..

what will be retained in the late see you the turn of the next decade


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Posted by:

Steve

Northern Boy, nice of you to keep the facts straight for us.

Serenity, sorry to hear of your losses.


Entered at Sat Jan 2 12:16:59 CET 2010 from sannin29154.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.29.154)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Year of the Tiger

Happy New Year to one and all.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Thought this was funny..

PEOPLE's Predictions for 2010... By Michael Y. Park

Friday January 01, 2010,

At PEOPLE, we've done the same thing – only, as might be expected, with a Hollywood twist. Of all the things we hope happen to the celebrities we both love and, well, don't always care for, these wishes for the future top our list.

And if they come true, it's a solid sign that 2010 will be an improvement over '09.

10. Jon Gosselin joins the Peace Corps on a special mission with Nadya Suleman, and neither is heard from again.

9. Brad Pitt cuts off his Billy goat beard.

8. Taylor Swift and Taylor Lautner both start dating other people named Taylor again, break up with their respective Taylors, and the economy fully recovers thanks to a "Team Taylor" T-shirt boom.

7. Kanye West sits out the year. And turns his blog OFF!!!

6. Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart elope in Niagara Falls at a ceremony officiated by a vampire-Elvis impersonator.

5. Jersey Shore's Snooki finds love with a suave European sophisticate, landing her her own show called Snooki and the Prince, with frequent crossovers with The Real Housewives of New Jersey.

4. Lady Gaga wears an outfit so jaw-droppingly bizarre and amazing that Lindsay Lohan vows never to work in fashion again.

3. Adam Lambert covers Susan Boyle's X-Factor audition, and Susan Boyle covers Adam Lambert's AMA performance.

2. Jennifer Aniston falls in love with someone who treats her the way she deserves – and it sticks.

1. Jay-Z and Beyoncé take up residence in Vegas and start a family by having a baby who promptly gets his or her own recording contract.

Bonus (because even the Jonas Brothers have one): Jessica Simpson has the BEST YEAR EVER. After winning Dancing with the Stars, she and pro partner Maksim Chmerkovskiy get engaged.

Happy New Year!

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Let's Hear It For "The Information Age"

Quote:

"Never, in the entire history of mankind, have so many individuals been able to have in their hands in so short a period of time, so much potentially erroneous information". - Northern Boy, The Band Guestbook, January 1, 2010.

Case in point, millions just heard how Celtic Curmudgeon (and part-time singer) Van Morrison recently became a dad again at the tender age of 64 . Now the truth has surfaced (on a major tv network) that it all resulted from someone simply hacking on to Van's website and posting this untruth. NB

PS. See ? Technology isn't the "be-all-and-end-all". Ergo - snow shovel, NOT snowblower ! I just KNEW I'd be vindicated, sooner or later!


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Music news,etc....

Interesting news...

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Singer-Songwriter Vic Chesnutt Dies at 45 12/26/09

Vic Chesnutt, the Georgia-based singer-songwriter known for his darkly comic songs, died yesterday in Athens, Georgia, after spending several days in a coma caused by an overdose of muscle relaxers. Chesnutt, who was confined to a wheelchair after a car crash at age 18, was discovered in the late 1980s by R.E.M.’s Michael Stipe, who produced his first two albums, Little and West of Rome. “We have lost one of our great ones,” Stipe said in a statement posted on the Constellation Records Website, which confirmed the musician’s death. “His songs and his story remain.”

It’s unclear whether Chesnutt’s overdose was accidental or intentional. His close friend Kristin Hersh tweeted, “No one knows much: another suicide attempt, looks bad, coma,” on December 24th. Chesnutt’s persistent medical problems had made him a harsh critic of American health care. Earlier this year he told Spinner that he was $35,000 in debt to a hospital despite the fact that he was insured. Chesnutt gained national prominence thanks to 1996’s Sweet Relief II: Gravity of the Situation, which featured Smashing Pumpkins, R.E.M., Garbage and more bands covering his songs to raise money for the Sweet Relief charity, which aids musicians in need of health care.

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Avenged Sevenfold’s Jimmy “The Rev” Sullivan Dead at 28... 12/29/09

Avenged Sevenfold drummer Jimmy “The Rev” Sullivan was found dead at his home in Huntington Beach, California, yesterday. He was 28. Preliminary police reports indicate Sullivan died of natural causes, but the Orange County Coroner’s Office is investigating his death, the OC Register reports. Sullivan helped found Avenged Sevenfold in 1999, and featured on all four of the band’s studio albums.

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Soundgarden Reunion Is Official: “School Is Back in Session,” Writes Chris Cornell.. 1/1/10...

Soundgarden fans woke up to incredible news this New Year’s morning: the band, which split in 1997, is officially reuniting. Frontman Chris Cornell confirmed the reconciliation via Twitter, writing, “The 12 year break is over & school is back in session. Sign up now. Knights of the Soundtable ride again!” and linking to a new Website, Soundgarden World. As of now, the site only offers fans a place to provide their contact information for updates on the reunion.

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Johnny Cash's America

Description: Explore the life, iconography, and legacy of the legendary singing star Johnny Cash. Includes interviews with Ozzy Osbourne, Kris Kristofferson, John Mellencamp, Loretta Lynn, and others.

Channel- MMM #36 ..10:00 pm 120 minutes--Documentary..Much More Music

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Austin City Limits: The Arcade Fire

Canadian indie rock band Arcade Fire perform songs from their new release 'Neon Bible.'

11:30PM-12:30AM.....PBS [WNED]# 61

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Cya soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR & History,etc.

Hi all! Hope you are having a good day.

The Decade? Not a good one for mau. Lost 2 sisters, my best friend, and other good friends. [ Oh the joys of being old! [NOT!!] A daughter moved north to be with her kids and grandkids...Miss them all like crazy. Heartbreaking war casualties for Canada and for others too... Good part: Good family and in good health mostly.

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MIKE & KIM: Thanx for the BAND link.

NORBERT: Hi, old friend. I may have misunderstood your post, but allow me to rant on "health" products/supplements are great if you know what you're doing. I take a few and am glad for it. Here's the one's that have helped me through the years: Glucosamine [w/ sulphate],good for musular/joint problems. I know a few people who wouldn't be w/out it...One woman here in our building who has a deteriating spine and uses a walker, and swears by it. I also take Udo's Oil from a Canadian Doctor. It contains healthy oils [primrose flaxseed,etc.] A bone metabolism regulator. ALCAI tabs which have helped reduce my build-up in my joints. [I can almost close my fist]...I do take meds for high blood pressure. Everyone should have a doctor. Here we can go to a "walk-in clinic" where there are doctors to help.

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This Day in History, January 1

On January 1st, 404, the last known gladiator competition took place.

Other Notable Events, Jan. 1

In 45 B.C., New Year's Day was celebrated on Jan. 1 for the first time as the Julian calendar took effect.

In 1803, two months after his defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte's colonial forces, Jean-Jacques Dessalines proclaimed the independence of Saint-Domingue, renaming it Haiti after its original Arawak name.

In 1863, the Emancipation Proclamation, introduced the previous September by Abraham Lincoln, took effect. It declared freedom for slaves in all areas of the Confederacy that were still in rebellion against the Union.

In 1892, Ellis Island opened in New York Harbor.

In 1902, the University of Michigan beat Stanford, 49-0, in the inaugural Rose Bowl game in Pasadena, Calif.

In 1951, the Zenith Radio Corporation of Chicago demonstrated the first pay-per-view television system, offering three movies, "April Showers," "Welcome Stranger" and "Homecoming."

In 1953, influential country singer Hank Williams, 29, died of a heart attack in the back of a limousine on the way to a show in Canton, Ohio.

In 1959, Fidel Castro declared victory in the Cuban revolution as dictator Fulgencio Batista fled the islandn In 1962, the Beatles auditioned for Decca records in London on the same day as Brian Poole and the Tremeloes. Decca chose the Tremeloes.

In 1975, a jury convicted former U.S. Attorney General John Mitchell and former White House aides John Ehrlichman and H.R. Haldeman on all counts in the Watergate cover-up case.

In 1998, a law went into effect in California banning smoking in all bars and nightclubs. It already was illegal to smoke in the state's restaurants and cafes.

In 2000, in his first day as Russia's acting president, Vladimir Putin traveled to the rebellious republic of Chechnya to visit Russian troops.

In 2002, 12 European countries began the new year by turning in their own currency and adopting a common one, the euro, in the biggest currency change in history.

In 2004, British Airways canceled two flights from London to Washington because officials feared the flights had been targeted by terrorists.

In 2006, Russia's state-owned energy company began shutting off natural gas supplies to Ukraine in a pricing dispute. The service was restored the next day after criticism from affected countries in Western Europe.

Classic Quote by John Edgar Hoover (1895-1972) FBI director:

Above all, I would teach him to tell the truth Truth-telling, I have found, is the key to responsible citizenship. The thousands of criminals I have seen in 40 years of law enforcement have had one thing in common: Every single one was a liar.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

Lars

Subject: nice

NORM- Start out slow. Only beat hell out of 4 people this month. Next month only has 28 days, so you should get by with only two. And so on.


Entered at Fri Jan 1 20:23:41 CET 2010 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: A new Era!!!!!!!!

Now there ......see........I'm being picked on again. But........anyway Susan sat me down this morning after my last comment, and looked at me strictly, (as strictly as Susan can any how). I looked very attentive, and didn't laugh while she told me. "You're going to start out this decade by being nicer to people, "all the time!", and not being a "Curmudgeon".

Well awright.....I guess........OK Jeff, thank you so much for the "confidence you have shown in my work you little *^$#&^$@%&(&%........cute little feller.

Northern Beach Buoy........HELLO!!! Happy new year my man! And to all you no good...low down.....yankee doodle...sons - of - a son - of - a - sailor, southern bells.......all the danko lovin' ladies....brown eyed girls.

Hey Fred......OH FRED!...... Haven't heard from the J - A - Pan Co. in a long while.

Lars.......this is the year, and keep lookin' in yer mail box.

All my kids are leavin' me today. Had so much fun with my grand kids, and playing music with my son. I started the new year perfect.......I'm a lucky man. God bless you all.


Entered at Fri Jan 1 20:06:25 CET 2010 from p4fcad7a3.dip.t-dialin.net (79.202.215.163)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Famous people I met; Willy Reinders

To the Famous people I met thread (someone started it last year, scroll back) I can ad this.

I didn’t meet a lot of famous people I can recall, I know of only two.

1) Bonnie St. Claire, a Dutch female singer I once met in a bar. I asked her if she would like a drink from me and she said yes, for the rest we didn’t talk much.

2) I knew German actor Alexander Lee Valentin (born Willy Reinders) pretty well. As a matter of fact he lived next door to us for a little more than one year. Willy was on actor who played a lot of B movies, he wasn’t a natural talent, more a one trick pony. His thing was dying. He could die like no one else. He could die with style, die with grace, die fast or slow, on a mountain, a horse or a toilet, but always his dying was a masterpiece. It was a pity that he only got such short roles, in his younger years this bothered him a lot he once told me. Later he accepted this fact and sucked out his talent to the most.

I’ve seen Willy die many times, he was at his peak his black and white period. I remember him being shot as nameless soldier in a WWI movie, so beautiful with a picture of his girl his hand in the pouring rain. And they only needed one shot to tape it (although he made that claim himself). If I see some die nowadays I always think of Willy, but no one comes close.

A nasty twist of live showed up in 2008; his dying skills let to his own death. When he died, on a cold November morning in 2008, the people at the parking lot in front of the Aldi supermarket, thought that he was just re-playing one of his roles, as he often did, but this time he wasn’t. They just let him die with a glass Bockwurst in his hand on the dirty pavement, laught and applauded. By the time our postman figured that he wasn’t acting, Willy was already gone. He died in his last act.


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Posted by:

Lars

Subject: work ethic, like insults, are all in your head

Jeff-I was simply saying shovelling a driveway doesn't work for me. If someone wants to do it it's no skin off my nose.


Entered at Fri Jan 1 18:47:45 CET 2010 from ool-18b8eb17.dyn.optonline.net (24.184.235.23)

Posted by:

PutEmUp[(Friend0

Lars, there ya go insulting Canadians. Well, the Canadian economy anyway. Well, the value of NB's dollar, or NB's time, or dollar per minute at the very least! Why does everything, even seemingly innocent preventive health care snow shoveling, have to reduce to international sling shot hurling socio poli economics around here? Steve certainly has twisted all yer minds!

Music Gawdammit, that's what we should be discussin! Mind you Lars, even Norm knows the speed of sound can take 35, 36 years to get where it's going. You'll run out of wood long before that!


Entered at Fri Jan 1 17:37:36 CET 2010 from 21cust106.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.106)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: A First For The Band Since The 70's

Every member who was alive at the beginning of the decade still was at the end of the decade.

Carry on boys!

Now the down side. As we entered the decade scientists warned we were heading the plant towards a cliff, or at least a long downhill run, a run that's momentum would soon be out of our control if we didn't get the car under control toute de suite.

Being the large brained( NB, you're exempted from this of course) apes but apparently apes none the less, we put the pedal to the metal and like Thelma and Louise are now headed for whatever kind of destruction awaits below. Once again we've proven ourselves unable to extrapolate from the evidence what the future holds. Or as Old Joe MacKay was fond of saying, " we don't seem to be able to git the "whoa" before the impact". Hold on to your hats for the next decade, it's going to blow.

Tull, I don't think the decade was a lot more civil 10 years ago. I think a lot of what has been going on for decades around the planet has finally found it's way to our shore and now it seems the violence has exploded and the body count on our side has started to rise. It's a situation we're just coming face to face with but it's nothing new on the planet.

Maybe this would be a good time for Mr. Obama to practice what my old buddy Joe preached.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The woods of NY

Subject: snow jobs

We haven't had any snorm around here since the week before Christmas. I scrolled back quite a ways before Christmas and there's nothing in the archives mentioning snow since that storm that hit the city, but missed us. But I guess somebody talked about shovelling snow at some point. If I only had 600 feet of driveway I STILL wouldn't shovel it: my time is too valuable. I'd rather pay $50 and just tend to the sidewalks and paths to the woodpile and playhouse. The turkeys are still beating down the snow around the bird feeders, we put out cracked corn for them (usually around 42+ or-).

I just had my right shoulder cleaned out yesterday and it's the first surgery I've ever had that didn't hurt. I hope I'm not speaking too soon.

NORM- If you recall, I advised you to NOT put your record on the market until after your death was reported. Now you have to tour if you want it to sell. On the bright side, we've got a lot of room around here since my three youngest daughters went away to college, so you can save money by staying here. Some morning when you feel like working I'll pay you for cutting up another 6 cords of wood; we've got plenty of "blow-downs" to cut up. I still can see you in my mind's eye, cutting wood at nearly the speed of sound (a little hyperbole). I hope you've slowed down a bit, for your own good.

HAPPY 2010 TO ALL. MAY THE COMING YEAR BRING US CLOSER TO WORLD PEACE.


Entered at Fri Jan 1 16:37:10 CET 2010 from pool-72-64-9-45.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net (72.64.9.45)

Posted by:

Mike & Kim Hayward

Web: My link

Happy New Year, Jan & the GB!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: Against All Odds

The single most surprising, even odd defying, fact of the last decade, has to be Norman finishing and distributing his recording project.


Entered at Fri Jan 1 14:12:57 CET 2010 from p4fcad682.dip.t-dialin.net (79.202.214.130)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: 2010
Web: My link

Subject: snow-jobs

On a lighter note, N.B. I enjoyed your post about your snow-jobs, thanks. I Just did a nice one by hand myself too.

But your post made me look for such things, i.m.o. if such a machine can deliver the job too, why not? There are some nice toys on the marked now I saw, wow! I like to play with them, you should see me havin’ fun with my zero-turn.

Jan F, yes, where do you live? please contact me, you’ll never know.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl,

I’m sorry I missed your post, but if you have serious complains please consult a serious doctor!

Quackery may comfort but it won’t heal, it’s dangerous, please check the link above. Now this may sound somewhat harsh, but I care about you. Know I’m with you, be strong now.

p.s. if I misunderstood, I’m sorry.


Entered at Fri Jan 1 13:30:59 CET 2010 from c-59-101-54-82.hay.connect.net.au (59.101.54.82)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...

Without belittling Peter and Tull's views, we avoided another decade of absolute destruction... though with the environment, maybe the 2010s will bring it...

FOr me, 2 kids, and I discovered the BAnd in all it's glory. got to 'meet' a lot of you people here, and made some friendships I really treasure. So personally, a terrific decade....

But yes - not a good decade all around, really...


Entered at Fri Jan 1 12:05:52 CET 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Progress?

Tullfan brings up a fascinating point. We’re so imbued with the inevitability of progress that it’s hard to think a decade has made things worse. But there must be awful blocks of years … 1914-1919, 1929 and the following depression, World War II … where for most people in the world things are dire; and good bits … the late sixties (if you weren’t living in China under the cultural revolution or in South-East Asia).

So, assessing the last decade? Obama came up in all the newshots last night, showing people weeping with joy at his election. The very fact of his election must be one of the really good things.

In 2000, I was a lot better off financially and professionally than now. I could travel through airports, reasonably relaxed, with a small bottle of water and sensible hand luggage. I could go to a number of stores and see a wide selection of music on sale, and lots of people were still making records. I didn’t get 0.05% interest on my savings. My pension seemed secure enough. The streets weren’t full of screaming drunken 20 somethings every weekend. You didn’t see young girls on their hands and knees puking in the gutters on a Friday night (something any paramedic will tell you is now a fact of British life). I could drive 100 miles secure in the knowledge it would take less than two hours. Now there’s always the chance of a sudden 45 minute traffic jam.That traffic jam is pumping out emissions which contributes to the fact that there's always the chance of dangerous freak weather somewhere.

I didn’t watch the coffins of British soldiers on the news almost every night. Anyone who had said we’d have tried to pacify Afghanistan would have been in a strait jacket.

Personally, in my own life, I guess it’s been OK. Above all, I have two beautiful grandkids now, and that would be the biggest plus of the decade.

But is the world a worse place now than in 2000? I'd say definitely "yes"


Entered at Fri Jan 1 11:37:01 CET 2010 from (41.97.181.234)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: an incredibly beautiful Algerian song

the Israeli cover, choose your favoriue version


Entered at Fri Jan 1 11:35:10 CET 2010 from (41.97.181.234)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: an incredibly beautiful Algerian song

Woke up this evening with an air in my head, allez savoir pourquoi, a variety song most successful all around the Mediterranean coastline for its melodious side, legions of cover versions, the text repeats a litany that I roughly translate by

Between yesterday and today
There is one night to spend
I did it in company of a gazelle
Joy in dark Eden shall never be forgotten

Not surprising at all after a short google, I learnt that the song was originally written in 1946 by Mohamed Kamel for Salim Hallali (1920-2005). I once posted everything about this great singer [the all-time greatest Algerian vocalist according to some experts]; I posted specially about the episode of 1942 during his tour in Paris under occupation.
In my first post of the decade I feel relevant to repost about the vice-chancellor of the Mosque of Paris, Imam Kaddour Benghabrit who saved the life of Salim Halali when he was arrested by Gestapo. The Imam succeeded in hiding Salim Halali Jewish identity by supplying him a false certificate of Muslim and by engraving the name of his father on an anonymous grave of the Muslim cemetery of Bobigny. In reality this practice which consisted to disguise Jews as Muslims was common by WWII and legions were saved by North African Imams who were more or less in the good graces of the Nazis. I just deplored that such theme don’t retain the interest of a movie maker let's say like Spilberg, not financially livable or doesn’t it match the views of today's political rulers who are in charge to rule the Imamo-Jews affairs, et puis a title like " The Ben Beghrits list" ça fait pas sérieux.

linked the Tunisian cover, the original is not avaulable of course


Entered at Fri Jan 1 06:59:27 CET 2010 from c-66-41-87-213.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (66.41.87.213)

Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: Happy New Year

I've not seen it mentioned in here about the Kennedy Awards shown on Tuesday night. Jon Stewert's intro for Bruce is a classic. All is on You Tube for anyone who missed it, just go to Kennedy Awards 2009, and scroll down to parts 10,11,and 12 for Bruce. Sting, John Mellencamp, Eddie Vedder, and Melissa Etheridge pay tribute. Great show and worth a look if ya missed it...


Entered at Fri Jan 1 06:54:30 CET 2010 from c-75-75-20-70.hsd1.va.comcast.net (75.75.20.70)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Happy New Year

Some wonderful things happened to me in the recently ended decade: marriage, two children, my first house, no major illnesses or death in the family. But let's face it, as a whole the decade sucked: terrorism, 9/11, the environment, George Bush, Barack Obama, Putin, Chavez, China, the economy, etc. The world was a far better, healthier, civil place when the decade began than when it ended. My wishes for the new decade are that we somehow reverse this trend and we can say in ten years that the world is better for having lived the ten years we are about to.


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Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Ring Out the Old, Ring in the New...

"Ring out the old, ring in the new...ring out the false ring in the true..." -Tennyson (1850)


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Northern Boy

Subject: The Ghosts of Christmas Dinners Past / 18+

Norm: You're sounding even more ornery than ever ! I suppose at your advanced age you're probably suffering from those horrible "acid-reflux flashbacks" where you get "revisited" by some meal you ate way back in the sixties (that is, way back in THE sixties Norm, not way back in YOUR sixties).

And while I'm here, a big humbug to all those people who gripe about shovelling out their dinky-piddly little city driveways. Here on my expansive northern acreage, it's no less than 600 feet from my carport to the road and yes, I do it completely by myself, and the old-fashioned way too. That's right. I'm talking about one really long and hard "shovel-job", not one of those pleasurable "blow-jobs". And much to my chagrin, it seems that nearly everyone in snow removal circles nowadays is favouring the blow-job over the more traditional shovel-job. Come on North America, man-up will you ! NB

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