The Band Guestbook, June 2009
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JoanSubject: bob w
Thanks for those links. Jackson Browne always makes me sad. Even when he's doing an "up" tune.
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Bill MWeb: My link
Landmark: Yes indeed - that's him and his wife Laurel Ward (another alum of Hair and Dr Music) - the biggest of a series of minor hits, including "Back Up Against Your Persuasion", which still garners oldies airplay. Not to be confused with Montrealer Patsy Gallant's "From New York To LA". Band link: Patsy was/is? married to Dwayne Ford of Atkinson Danko and Ford (aka Bearfoot).
Terry Black got his contract in LA (with Tollie, one of the Beatles' first US labels) on the back of his first Canuck-only record, "Sinner Man" / "Dry Bones". I'm sure his "Sinner Man" was okay, but nobody's version could possibly top Nina Simone's (see link).
Entered at Tue Jun 30 18:37:22 CEST 2009 from bas4-montreal19-1242357867.dsl.bell.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Yes I do remember Terry Black. Didn't he also do a duet on "On The Road To L.A."? I'm not sure about the title but its one that I always groan when I hear it. Also liked yesterday's inference to Woodbine. 4 more weeks till Opening Day at The Spa.
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Bill MWeb: My link
Not only did 89-year-old Hamilton singer Jackie Washington pass away the other day (see link), so did '60s pop singer Terry Black. ("Unless You Care" was his big hit, though he was also said to have played the young Elvis Presley character in one of Elvis' films of the mid '60s.) Black, from Vancouver, had a nice run of minor hits produced in LA by Sloan and Barri - some with noteworthy drumming by Hal Blaine, before returning to Canada (quite possibly ahead of the US draft, as a Green Card made you eligible) and found a place on the stage of "Hair" and then its spawn, the gospel-rock band/choir known as Dr Music. (Landmark knows their second hit, "One More Mountain To Climb" by heart; Black is the mid-range mail voice, former Robbie colleague Steve Kennedy is the high mail voice, "The Colour Purple" co-scorer Brenda Russell is the lead female voice.)
That reminds me - Brenda Russell, also from Hamilton, once co-fronted the Soul Children along with Jackie Washington's brother Bobby (who also played bass) and former auxilliary Hawk, Eugene Smith. I think they opened for the Band at one of the big '69/'70 festivals in Toronto.
Entered at Tue Jun 30 17:35:33 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1242458669.dsl.bell.ca (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Kevin JSubject: Elvis C
Dlew: Elvis C has a show he’s been doing over here called Spectacle which is about the best music/talk show seen on television in years….a nice mix of talk and performance…..given the absolute crap that now passes for content on “Music Television” ( this week on VH1 there was a show called top 10 celebrity babies – I kid you not!! ) the Costello show is heaven sent…………..that all said…my only quibble with the whole deal is Elvis’s insistence on jumping in on just about all the performances……..he’s like that brat whose parents never explained the concept of limitation……. at the height of his fame someone had the bright idea of having him share vocals with one of the great singers ever in George Jones and this seems to have fueled a pattern of behavior that “I can do anything with anybody in any area”…….well yes you can – but God help us - you shouldn’t!!.....................
bob w: great links!
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bob w.Web: My link
Just one more.....
The wonderful simplicity of just two instruments, a beautiful voice and a great composition.
David Lindley has a Garth Hudson like quality.
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bob w.Web: My link
"And I thought that it would kill me but......I'm alive."
Entered at Tue Jun 30 12:27:52 CEST 2009 from 21cust7.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
SteveFriend0, then of course if Levon keeps this up we're going to have to start referring to him as a drumming, singer -songwriter. The man's been writing songs for close to half a century. What stamina, but he's always said he's in it for the long run. I guess we should wait a little before we start reviewing his career. He is the master at setting a steady pace.
Entered at Tue Jun 30 12:10:24 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Peter VWell, amazon.uk notified me that Electric Dirt was on its way on Sunday (with a price reduction to £8.98) so I was hoping for it this morning, but it didn't arrive.
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dlew919Subject: Bill M., Kevin J. (On Separate subjects)
Bill: Of course, Ray Davies also mentions the quintessential British Hero and his enemy in 'Village Green': 'Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty'...
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Friend0Subject: Wonders Never Cease
Don't it just make you scratch your head and wonder?
Despite all the years that Peter has bitched, moaned, essayed and intellectualized about how the set lists show The Reformed Band played "Stuff You Gotta Watch" and other blues and r & b songs to death, and how that contributed to their being little more than an oldies act ( of course, for the sake of brevity I'm leaving out alot), levon had the audacity to include "Stuff You Gotta Watch" on "Electric Dirt.
Motherfucker. Don't know what got into that man.
To add insult to injury, the critics seem to be in agreement with Levon's choice. God damn if Levon's rendition of Muddy's song ain't getting a lot of type.
Sheesh, Peter, times getting hard on an expert.
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Little BrøtherLocation: Way Back When
Web: My link
Subject: Life Imitating Art
Is it possible for a fan of The Band to read this AP wire report...
Woman on tracks to 'clear her mind' hit by train
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Birmingham police said a 22-year-old woman has suffered a broken leg after being hit by a train. Officer Lawrence Billups said the woman told police she was lying on the tracks "to clear her mind" when the train approached around 7 a.m. Sunday. [...]
... and not think:
"♪ Rag Mama Rag, I can't believe it's true.
Rag Mama Rag, a-what did you do?
I crawled up to the railroad track,
Let the four nineteen scratch my back. ♪"
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JoanWeb: My link
Subject: NY Times review of Elecric Dirt
Critics choice review.
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sadavidSubject: flatland truckers
Last week, we snagged 4th-row centre seats (in the lovely old Pantages vaudeville house) for the Derek Trucks Band's "preview" concert for the Winnipeg Jazz Festival.
Much as I enjoyed the headliners, I was especially tickled when the opener (local good ol' gal Romi Mayes) introduced _her_ band - the Weber Brothers. A real joy for the ears and eyes. And Mr. Trucks was nice enough to bring Sam Weber up for the encore.
I knew it was gonna be a good evening when we entered the hall and "Life is a Carnival" was playing over the PA . . . .
Entered at Mon Jun 29 22:24:05 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Bill MKevin J: If it's the sort of stuff that renders you childlike, you might take your copy of "Readaloud Train Stories" with you and consider how "The Little Engine that Could" finds its echo in "Just Another Whistle Stop".
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Bill MWeb: My link
Subject: that missing clipping from the Toronto Star ...
"'Whispering Pines' is a Richard Manuel song from The Band's self-titled second album. It is also both a case study and the source of a title for Waterloo-based rock writer Jason Schneider's examination of the outsized influence of Canadian songwriters, 'Whispering Pines: The Northern Roots of American Music ... from Hank Snow to the Band' (ECW Press, 347 pages, $28.95)."
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Kevin JSubject: Ray Davies/Bill M
Bill M: I plan on being high in about 3 hours....could I have your 2nd literary/ rock theory then………………
Entered at Mon Jun 29 20:36:44 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Bill MWeb: My link
Subject: new book takes title from Richard Manuel song ...
Saturday's Toronto Star had a short, but very positive review of a new book titled "Whispering Pines: The Northern Roots of American Music ... from Hank Snow to the Band" (see link). Unfortunately I can't find the clipping or I would've typed in the whole piece. Landmark might like to keep in mind that searching on "Whispering Pines" at the Toronto Star site, while failing to yield the review, did turn up a decent thoroughbred running at Woodbine.
For whatever reason, I'd read the short reviews in reverse order so was first taken by the appearance of another new book, "Don Messer: The Man Behind the Music". Oddly enough, while Messer's not someone who comes to mind all that often, just the day before I was thinking of him via Fred McKenna, whose version of "Who Spit Tobacco On Bessie's Wedding Gown?" was called to mind by song on a Backstabbers CD I'd been listening to.
To switch gears, thinking about all the recent Kinks posts I recalled what was likely my first literary / rock theory: that Ray Davies was channelling Baroness Orczy for at least some of his great late '60s songs. "They seek him here, they seek him there" in "Dedicated Follower Of Fashion" is clearly lifted from "The Scarlet Pimpernel", as is the vacuous voice speaking the song title in the choruses. There's also "Dandy". I can imagine Ray, by nature a lower-middle geek, seeing himself as the outwardly foppish but secretly heroic Percy (a name for a rock mini-opera!) Blakeney. I know Ray wasn't a Bonzo, but "Mr Apollo" also springs to mind: "I was once a seven-stone weakling but now I'm two separate gorillas".
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Kevin JSubject: Lord Help me
No justice in this world – take 1,000,000………Levon Helm puts out a great album and it sells – what 50,000 copies ( ? ).....5 fats guys in Hawaiian Shirts with bad tans put out something called Chickenshit and it sells 180,000 copies in the first week!!!!!!!!!!!! Say it ain’t so Joe…..hopefully you will quit once you cash the Coldplay cheque!
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SerenitySorry about this copy & paste, but it came in my personal e-mail so didn't page it.
Rock legends form new band, call it Chickenfoot
1 hour, 23 minutes ago
By Mike Collett-White
LONDON (Reuters) - Some of the biggest names in rock have banded together to form a new supergroup. They call it Chickenfoot, a name they readily admit is "silly."
While the name may not be to everyone's taste, Van Halen veterans Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony, Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer Chad Smith and virtuoso guitarist Joe Satriani rose high in the U.S. charts with their eponymous debut album this month.
"We called ourselves Chickenfoot as a kind of a joke, and people started digging it, and so Chad's going, 'Let's start a real band'," Hagar said during a boisterous interview with the band in London, where they performed during a European tour.
"Joe had a band called the Squares -- all of a sudden Chickenfoot sounded like a really good name," Hagar joked.
Hagar and Anthony used to jam together at Hagar's club in Mexico, and when Smith joined them, they gelled. Smith, who still plays for the Chili Peppers, suggested forming a group, and Satriani was invited as the final piece in the jigsaw.
The four members of Chickenfoot have sold tens of millions of records and played thousands of gigs between them over the years, but the childlike enthusiasm for their latest venture comes from starting all over again.
"We're a new band, even though we've got names, we've all been in other bands," Hagar told Reuters. "So we have to kind of let the world know who Chickenfoot is, I think."
Bass player Anthony added that he took exception to the term "supergroup."
"For me, when I hear the name supergroup I think of some pre-fab type of thing ... If the chemistry is not there you can be the best musicians, best players there are, it's not going to come out the way I think this came out.
"This was born out of friendship, it was more organic in that sense."
The band has played a series of small gigs in the United States before flying to Europe for a tour, and returns to North America winding up its travels at the end of September.
"We're a new band and when you're a new band you start and play clubs and you play to your fans," said Smith. "We're not playing stuff from Van Halen, or Joe, or Chili Peppers, we're just playing Chickenfoot."
Chickenfoot's debut album, released earlier in June, opened at No. 4 in the U.S. pop chart and No. 1 in the independent music chart. It maintained its position in the main chart the following week before slipping to No. 7 in the latest list.
"It's the first time I've ever been up in that territory, above the clouds," said Satriani, who is embroiled in a copyright infringement suit with British band Coldplay over its hit single "Viva La Vida."
According to band manager Mick Brigden, U.S. album sales totaled around 180,000 in the first three weeks, around one quarter of which were bought digitally, suggesting a younger, technology-savvie audience.
"A lot of times, before a record comes out, there are projections about who your audience is and where you're going to see sales, so that was a great surprise because it means that we are appealing to truly a broad audience," said Smith.
The quartet confirmed that it planned to tour and record together again in the future, although Smith would have to juggle Chickenfoot and Chili Peppers commitments.
"I am in this other group called the Red Hot Chili Peppers, great band, love 'em, nice bunch of fellas', play some good music. So I'm going to go back and do that."
(Editing by Paul Casciato)
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Kevin JSubject: dlew
On the subject of being fortunate to have an appearance filmed/televised, etc. I wonder how history may have been changed had the camera not been rolling at that Motown 25th anniversary party to capture MJ’s out of this world Billy Jean in 1983….other than the Beatles on Ed Sullivan……has there ever been a more compelling/ “where were you when you saw it” moment of music on TV? Had TLW not been filmed – would any of us be here now discussing a defunct band 33 years later?
dlew: The King I referred to was, of course, Don not BB……..by the way your question of what albums did we once really like and now have trouble listening to……..London Calling by The Clash is one that doesn’t hold up at all for me...….the title song does but the rest just doesn’t the way it once did….I would put most of the Elvis Costello in the same category……..other than that most of the albums I once loved I still do…..same with movies – exception being Ben Hur which I was sure was a masterpiece when first viewed as a 10 year old….not so much as seen years later on VHS…..
Entered at Mon Jun 29 16:51:23 CEST 2009 from server.mjhayward.com (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
MikeLevon rec'd a brief shoutout in the recent "Rolling Stone" Gregg Allman interview / article relative to the Beacon shows.
A couple of "Rolling Stone" issues prior, Rick rec'd a song writing credit ("Wheel's on Fire") in the Bob Dylan interview / article.
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David P.Subject: Monterey Pop Festival
Albert Grossman was at Monterey in '67, as two of his acts, Paul Butterfield's band and Electric Flag, performed. In another pivotal move, he also convinced Janis Joplin & Big Brother to sign with him. The group was trying to decide whether or not to let D.A. Pennebaker film their performance and sought Grossman's advice. His recommendation to allow filming was crucial, as Ms. Joplin's electrifying appearance catapulted her career.
In contrast, many still wonder about the decision, a year later at Woodstock, not to allow The Band's performance to be included in the film.
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MikeWeb: My link
Subject: NY radio station to feature Levon Helm music all day tomorrow.
Thanks to Rick S. of Suffern, NY for the heads up:
"Levon Helm's music is being featured all day on WFUV (90.7 FM, Fordham U. Radio- Bronx, New York City) on Tuesday June 30th between 6 AM and 9 PM. This includes his music with and without The Band. This is in celebration of his new release, "Electric Dirt", on Tuesday.
WFUV has a live stream- www.wfuv.org (go to home page and at top click "Listen Live")."
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joe jWeb: My link
Subject: Wiyos Strawberry Wine
I'll try that link again. It didn't post last night. No connection to the Band song of the same name.
This Wiyos thing might not go far. My missus has already threatened me with grievous bodily harm if I don't stop singing 'Cornbread & Butterbeans'.
On another note I was doing some early morning weeding when my next door neighbour brought his accordion out on the porch and treated me to an impromptu performance. Certainly made the chores a whole lot more agreeable.
"I'm eatin cornbread and makin love as long as I am able...." This thing just won't quit.
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dlew919Subject: 3 out of five?
Will Levon win another Grammy? Whereas his last one was deserved, no matter the competition, I think Electric Dirt is up against more albums. I mean, I'm sure tehy don' care: it's just something else to put on the shelf, and i looks like it's as good as it can be - (which is great). But I wonder - can lightning strike twice?
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Friend0Web: My link
Subject: Short Hills New Jersey / Richie Furay
People in some parts of jersey, and Pennsylvania, even New Yorkers, this is a good oportunity to see Richie Furay in a small venue. The Chamber Of Commerce is putting this show on.
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Friend0Web: My link
Subject: Carolina Choclate Drops
Been around a good while now. Youtube em, Hit Em Up Style and Memphis Shakedown are excellent. A hot band, actually infectious energy.
Flemons plays here pretty often at Terra Blues, and i thought i recalled him living in the Bronx or something.
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joe jSubject: Strawberry Wine
More of the same. Your basic old weird America.
Maybe I have been smokin something.
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joe jWeb: My link
Subject: Cornbread and Butterbeans
Apparently these guys, The Wiyos, are opening for Dylan this summer. Wish they were playing at my local.
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JackSubject: Jersey Girl / The Band At Monterey Pop? Not
Jersey Girl. The Band did not perform at Monterey Pop. They didn't to their first official gig as "The Band; until Winterland. Look at the picture carefully. Richard has a full beard; which he didn't have as yet and Robertson's hair is way too long for the time. Check the Landy photos of the era. I believe this photo to be taken a few years later. They were still in the Basement Tapes stage in 1967.
Entered at Sun Jun 28 18:59:32 CEST 2009 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
JQSubject: 1 more, this one from Allmusic
Sorry, I still don't know how to post a link -
Review by Mark Deming
In a musical career that has spanned six decades, Levon Helm has made more than a few excellent albums working with other folks -- most notably as drummer and vocalist with the Band, as well as backing Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Muddy Waters, John Martyn, Rufus Wainwright, and literally dozens of others. But as a solo artist, Helm's record has been considerably spottier, with well-intended disappointments outnumbering genuine successes, so it's good to report that at the age of 69, Helm has found his second wind as a recording artist, cutting two of his most satisfying solo sets in a row. Following 2007's excellent Dirt Farmer, Electric Dirt is every bit as impressive and finds him sounding even stronger than he did on that comeback set. Dirt Farmer was Helm's first album after a bout with throat cancer nearly silenced him, and his vocals sounded firmly committed but just a bit strained; two years on, Helm's voice is nearly as supple as it was during his days with the Band, and even when it shows signs of wear and tear, his sense of phrasing and his ability to bring the characters in these songs to life are as good as they've ever been.
While Dirt Farmer leaned toward acoustic music in the Appalachian tradition, Electric Dirt aims for a broader and more eclectic sound; "Golden Bird" sounds as if it could have been gleaned from the Harry Smith anthology, but the opening cover of the Grateful Dead's "Tennessee Jed" swings with a solid New Orleans groove like an outtake from the Rock of Ages concerts, a pair of Muddy Waters numbers are subtle but passionate acoustic blues, "I Wish I Knew How It Would Feel to Be Free" is joyous gospel-infused R&B, and "White Dove" is fervent and heartfelt traditional country. Larry Campbell, who co-produced Dirt Farmer, returned for these sessions, as did most of the same band, bringing a similarly organic touch to the music, and the bigger sound of this album seems to suit everyone involved, with Helm's drumming sounding especially lively and well-grounded. And though Helm only wrote two songs for this album, they're two good ones, especially "Growin' Trade," a tale of an aging farmer who has taken to raising marijuana, and what could easily have been played as a joke is a moving account of one man's conscience as it wrestles with his heritage and love of the land. Not unlike his old buddy Bob Dylan from Time Out of Mind onward, Levon Helm seems to have rediscovered his knack for making great records in what some might have imagined would be the latter days of his career; Electric Dirt sounds fresh, emphatic, and as effective as anything Levon has cut since the mid-'70s, and one can only hope he has a few more discs in him just this good.
1 Tennessee Jed Garcia, Hunter 5:58
2 Move Along Train Staples 3:22
3 Growin' Trade Campbell, Helm 4:22
4 Golden Bird Traum 5:11
5 Stuff You Gotta Watch Morganfield 3:38
6 White Dove Stanley 3:29
7 Kingfish Newman 4:24
8 You Can't Lose What You Ain't Never HadMorganfield 4:01
9 When I Go Away Campbell 4:32
10 Heaven's Pearls Helm, Isaacs, Leone, McBain ... 4:10
11 I Wish I Knew How It Would Feel to Be FreeLamb,Taylor3:25
Entered at Sun Jun 28 18:28:45 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Peter VWeb: My link
Subject: Electric dirt
Link to the Sunday Times short review today.
Entered at Sun Jun 28 18:28:02 CEST 2009 from ip56513353.speed.planet.nl (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Hans Tiger SmitsLocation: The Netherlands
Hans Tiger Smits
(Songwriter/Producer)from the Netherlands.
I am searching for new contacts for my New Talent:
(And searching for new Acts )
Now we got:
Hermien Swart (NL)
Barry Nice and the Nice Guy 's
Strengholt Music Compagny
Hans Tiger Smits
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Jan F.Subject: Electric Dirt Review in Rolling Stone
Rolling Stone Review: 4 stars. Issue 1082/1083, July 9-23, 2009, page 80.
Would have liked to have seen Greg Allman on the cover instead of the Jonas Bros. Fairly good article on Greg, "The Last Redneck, Hippie, Soulman."
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Bashful BillLocation: Minoa, NY
Subject: Syracuse Gigantadome
Its actually named the Carrier Dome, Pat(unless you were just punning), located in the heart of the SU campus. The air conditioning behometh was a large presence in this area for a long time but the familiar story of globalization & downsizing took place & they;re merely a shadow on the landscape now. Irony is that the - Carrier -dome isnt airconditioned & is almost unusable in the Summer. Even later in the lacrosse season & the annual commencement ceremonies in late May can be pretty uncomfortable. But as for the show which you cited : I'd be interested in hearing it if its floating around. I was real disappointed when I attended it. The same problems as have been discussed re that entire first regrouping - too many musicians, Rick didnt play bass, Garth was off &/or sidestage more than he was on, needless extra backup singers, no new material other than the coverswhich began that trend. Richard was really on, but it wasnt The Band even though all 4 were there. The place is huge - holds like 60 or 70,000 for a concert&it was pretty full,so no intimacy of course(despite I made it up close to the stage for the Band's set)&, it wasnt their show. It wasnt the worst show I saw of the various reformed Bands, but, it was unspecial which was of course disappointing to me. Other than a show afew months earlier, it was my first Band show since 76& like many I never really considered that they'd regroup. Now on the contrary, re that previous show - they headlined an all day outdoor show with several openers near Syracuse afew months earlier, on Memorial Day. Richard(who I was pleasantly suprised to see so healthy&happy appearing)&Garth were BOTH real on, & though Rick again mostly played an acoustic guitar I distinctly recall that the Cates didnt do much backup singing. It was more of a The Band sound. No new material that day but they played a couple Jesse James cuts, which was suprising(of course they played One More Shot every now&then throughout the rest of their touring days). A lot of factors likely made it a good show - great atmosphere, great weather,good sound etc, & it was their show.
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NorbertWeb: My link
Subject: Ticket For Tibet - "Als Je Ooit Nog Eens Terug Kan"
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Man from Nordic Countries, first time I've seen the word , menopause, in the GB. Toothed whales, like Orca and Sperm Whales, along with elephants are the only other species on our great planet that go through menopause.
They're also species where mama rules. Usually females of most other species die shortly after passing reproductive age but these whales and elephants pass through menopause, like women, at about the halfway point of life. They then spend their time passing on information and arbitrating disputes.
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NorbertWeb: My link
Link: bundle of interesting songwritng tubes.
Ilkka, that all changed over the years and the 2006 soccer WC in Germany did the rest. And I'll tell you a secret my friend, the people here may look a bit different, talk different and drive a little faster, but I've studied them a few years closely now and have come to the conclusion that under this different “suit” they are exactly same as the ones that walk around in Holland! They laugh and cry sometimes, succeed and fail sometimes, are great and small sometimes, and are mostly helpful and caring, just like those a few miles up the road west …. I did the same in France and yes …..
Anyway of course we have the better soccer team , then again their cars are better. …
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IlkkaSubject: ... and 3.)
3.) Thanks "Ruskeasilmäinen Tyttö" (Brown Eyed Girl in Finnish) for your post on The Band and Dylan. In this part of the world most rock enthusiasts (55+ male and female menopause, that is :) connect The Band with Dylan with The Band with Dylan with The Band with Dylan with The Band with Dylan.
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IlkkaLocation: Nordic Countries
Subject: 1. ) Linguistic 2.) BMW
1.) Thanks Peter V for the posts on linguistic. 2.) Norbert wrote: "A nobel initiative, I love this country." It is totally strange for me that a Dutchman loves Germany,(btw I was in Holland yesterday.) It is as strange as a Finn loving Sweden (...ooooops ;-)
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Pat BThe photos are from Watkins Glen. The Dead's Wall of Sound is clearly visible behind them. The stage cover is the same one at WG. And I believe those are the clothes they wore at WG.
They weren't at Monterey in the summer of 67. They were at BP with Dylan, making history.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Bob Dylan and The Band!
You say you love me
And you're thinkin' of me,
But you know you could be wrong.
You say you told me
That you wanna hold me,
But you know you're not that strong.
I just can't do what I done before,
I just can't beg you any more.
I'm gonna let you pass
And I'll go last.
Then time will tell just who fell
And who's been left behind,
When you go your way and I go mine.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
The Band photos.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Levon Helm and Terry Sheridan.
I've been reading _Encounters With Bob Dylan_ (If You See Him, Say Hello)
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SteveDave I don't think it's the 74 tour, Robbie and Garth don't quite look like they do in the pictures of the 74 and Richard's beard isn't what he was sporting on the 74 tour. It looks like 70/71 to me.
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Thanks for the photos JG. I thought the back side of Rick was Robbie in one photo. ;-D
Different photos of The Band at TLW by Bo Shannon but this time in colour.
Hi back Joan and Deeee!
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CalvinInteresting to here someone say they hope Dave is fully recovered as they have never gotten to see the Kinks. Ray has said countless times over the years that the Kinks ended when Pete Quaife left the band. When it was no longer the original foursome it was just some people using the name.
In fact Ive read several places that that 8 guys who passed through the Kinks replacing Quaife, Mick Avory and the added on keyboardist where always paid a salary, even though a couple of them lasted around a decade or more. Jim Rodford was the Bassist for 18 years and has said he's makes more money off Argent than he does the Kinks.
Quaife was an interesting member of the Kinks. As he was seemingly the only member of than band who could tell Ray he was out of line, or just had a stupid idea and Ray would listen, or be forced to. On the other hand Ray's musical abilities where allowed to take flight in a way that Quaife's grounded presence might never had allowed.
Dave has actually been trying to talk Pete, Mick and Ray into performing together again for a couple of years now. Although Pete seems to have little interest. In fact he qas quoted on a Biography of the Kinks as essentially saying no way in hell would he ever go on a tour with the Kinks. But then he has published a few books, had more than a few gallery shows of his painting and been a fairly successful graphic artist. So why at 65 would he want to take to the road for an oldies tour? Funny thing, he was a clear spokesman for the band early on until a motorcycle accident sidelined him for about 6 months, and 1 album, around 1966. By the time he got back it was Ray's band and no longer a group. Funny thing is Ray seems to not realize what happened.
The Kinks have an odd history-not the least is they probably are the only group that has a performing groups made up of ex-members. THe Kast Off Kinks. 7 of the 10 Kinks whose last name isnt Davies has performed with the group.
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Dave HopkinsNo way that's Monterey. I'll guess either the '74 tour with Dylan or the CSNY tour that summer.
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JoanSubject: Band photos
I'm not an expert, but I don't think they were at Montery. Certainly not playing. I doubt they were in the audience. Was Levon back yet? Kind of confusing. But great photos.
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Hm. "The Band" played their first gig as TB in SF in 69...
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bob w.JG, I think Mr. Anthony may be confused.
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NorbertWeb: My link
Subject: Joni James - Autumn Nocturne
Or was it Sonny Rollins, I'm getting old.
Annyway enjoy your Saturday evening, be nice to the ones you love and don't drink too much.(a beautiful summer evening in Germany now, back to the garden and the cold beers, cheers)
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Far East ManBEG - Those photo's have a 70's feel.
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Jersey GirlWeb: My link
Subject: second Band photo from Monterey Pop
The other photo is linked above.
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Jersey GirlWeb: My link
Subject: Monterey Pop Band photos
Wolfgang's Vault is featuring Summer of Love photos from Gene Anthony. There are two of The Band at Monterey Pop in June of '67 that I don't recall ever seeing before, although I'm sure some of you have. One is linked above. I'll have to do the second one separately.
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Pat BCharlie, I believe the Dead's people recorded the Band at least 5 times, maybe more.
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Jersey GirlSubject: dlew's celestial train
A lovely idea, dlew, but I think Etta James would be really surprised to wake up in the morning dead. (Band connection!)
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SteveSubject: The Mud, The Blood and The Beer
Never forget beer, the third component in the triumvirate of essences that makes man tick. Actually, clay is a poor man making material, no grit. Better to go with a sandy/loam mix.
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dlew919Subject: Musical Heavan
MJ's death also makes this old atheist think about the various rooms in musical heaven - a little bit like the Festival Express train:
For example, there's michael jackson with James Brown, James Jamerson, Pops Staples, Fats on Piano, that great drummer who played on 'You've lost that lovin' feelin'', and a fantastic horn section, with perhaps Jimi Hendrix on rhythm...
Then we move to Freddie Mercury, Marc Bolan, Mick Ronson, John Entwhistle and John Bonham ...
Rick, Richard, Janis, Jerry Garcia in the next room
Ray Charles, Muddy Waters, Etta James ...
Feel fre to fill in the gaps...
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dlew919Subject: Kevin J.: then Michael Jackson
Kevin: When we were kings is a brilliant doco. I think (and I may have misread this) that it was Don, not B B, King who ripped everyone off...
Michael Jackson - interesting as to his legacy: I think Elvis is the best precedent - Michael was not a great songrwriter, like a Robertson, V. Morrison, Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Wonder, Bacharach, P. Simon, Holland-Dozier-Holland, Smokey Robinson (name your favourite who I've missed). there are some great songs ('Beat it', 'Billie Jean', 'thrller'), but I'm not sure they are standards in the way that my list churned out. Yet, as an interpreter of music, through vocals and dance, he was unquestionably one of the best. I think there is no better contemporary dancer - I'd even go as far to say he took dance abot as far as it can go - modern dance styles all go back to M J.
TErribly sad, and terribly tragic. Yet it is also a time to remember others with a terrific musical legacyas well.
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Subject: Mud / Blood
God created man from clay, mud much the same. Blood supplies the heart of such flesh, so there is no real argument, just a little confusion.
'Take what you need and leave the rest' is the motto of the Romanies (sometimes called Gypsies) I believe. 'Waste not want not' now we are almost all pretty damn rich.
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Charlie YSubject: Band & Dead
Pat and Westcoaster: I thank you both. The Band and The Grateful Dead were clearly connected in several ways. No wonder Levon leads off his new album with one of their tunes. I just wish The Band had recorded every show the way The Dead did.
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daena (said dana) gallantLocation: florida
Subject: re-j tull fan post..
j tull fan: well i had'nt heard that.that's unfortinit if that's the case ... where'd you hear that on the regular news , or somewhere else ? i hope everyone here has a great weekend bye bye to all ..
daena was here today.
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: Band & Dead
Aren't you guys forgetting Festival Express, or doesn't that count???
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Pat BCharlie Y, the Band and the Dead played two dates at Roosevelt Stadium right after Watkins Glen, and the reformed Band played a number of times with the Dead, including a live broadcast at the Syracuse Gigantadome and Soldier Field in Chicago, Garcia's last performance.
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Kevin JWeb: My link
Subject: Rick Danko
Here it is!!!
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Kevin JSubject: Rick Danko
Looked for Ripple and came across this - posted before I believe but worth an encore........the ying and yang of life....the absolute beauty of Rick Danko makes you feel that life is great while the people heard talking through the performance reminds us of the assholes amongst us.....
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Kevin JWeb: My link
An interview with Ray Davies on Tom Snyder's show.....I think you will enjoy it.....
Remember a few years ago when we had that discussion on songwriters and we ranked artists by great songs written.....Dylan clocked in at 1 with 45-50 I recall...depending on how Lennon and McCartney were split they were close or better.....others like Robbie Robertson, Pete Townsend, Paul Simom, Neil Young, Ray Davies had substantial numbers while a John Phillips had just 2 but 2 great ones........anyhow.....while a Michael Jackson is unquestionably Elvis big or bigger....how many great songs did he write??? I have it at just 2 - "Billy Jean" and "Don't Stop Till I get Enough"
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Charlie YSubject: "Tennessee Jed," The Band and The Dead
I look forward to hearing Levon's new one next week. It's interesting to see that the first track is the Grateful Dead classic, "Tennessee Jed," a song which was almost certainly influenced by the sound of The Band. It's also interesting since the guy who wrote the words to that song--Robert Hunter--is also the co-lyricist for most of the songs on the new Bob Dylan album.
Didn't both Rick Danko and Garth Hudson cover Grateful Dead songs as well?
Does anyone know how many times The Band and The Grateful Dead turned up on the same concert bill? I know there was the original Woodstock Festival and, of course, Watkin's Glen. There must have been others. Anyone?
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Brien SzWhile waiting for friend to arrive for dinner before going to see a movie, I was chatting it up with the young hostess about the passing of Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett. She said, "I wonder who will be next for the third." I said, "Ed McMahon passed the other day." She looked at me puzzled, "Who's he?" I laughed, "I guess he's a bit before you." I went on to explain (since she had heard of Johnny Carson) and then mentioned the commercial he's been in with the other catch phrase and voice guys - she knew that one.
The movie my friend and I saw was Hangover. This had to be the funniest movie I've seen in years. I laughed so hard, I was still laughing by the time I got back to my car. Probably not for everyone and certainly more a guy movie but it was just too funny.
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David P.Subject: The Third Icon
Charlie: I'd say Ed McMahon, who passed away earlier in the week, would be the third figure.
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Charlie YLocation: Down in Old Virginny
Subject: Seedy and Kinky
Bill: I got the "pushing too hard" reference. Clever, dude. The Seeds featuring Sky Saxon were slated to play soon at my favorite venue here in Old Virginny, The Birchmere. I'll be there tomorrow night for the Seldom Scene and The Dillards (wish you could come, Peter!). My daughter is due in from Texas to join me, her bed and books in tow by U-Haul trailer as she prepares to start a new job teaching in DC city schools.
As for the Kinks, I'd rank Ray Davies as one of the most truly cool figures in the history of rock'n'roll--right up there with Chuck Berry and Bob Dylan. I got to meet him shortly after the Septemeber 11, 2001 attacks, following a gig in the DC area. Travel was very hard at that point--especially international travel--and I said "thanks for coming." His very cool reply: "no problem." His own home video footage of that tour was later released as a bonus disc packaged with his next studio CD. Mr. Davies is also one of the great intellects in rock history, but that's another discussion. I do hope his brother Dave is fully recovered from his stroke. I've never seen The Kinks and would like to have the chance.
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Bill MJoe J: As soon as you said Dyson I wondered if the family you saw could've included Ronnie Dyson, who by the time of his 1970 solo hit ("Why Can't I Touch You", I think it was) had had, at least as I recall the DJs saying, a lead role in the Broadway production of "Hair". Not Canadian though.
Dave H: Good link between the Kinks' train song and "Last Of The Blacksmiths", a key line of which is even closer to the "Last Of The Steam-Powered Trains": "Have you heard about the railroad going under?". I wonder what order Robertson's songs on "Cahoots" were written; we know that "Just Another Whistle Stop", arguably another train song, was the very last thing written for the previous album.
Charlie Y: I'd say that attempting to raise Sky Saxon's profile like that is pushing too hard.
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Peter VSubject: God bless Mrs Mop
The VGPS was very explicit in a British sort of way. Its predecessor in nostalgic listing is Dylan Thomas’s A Child’s Christmas in Wales, which featured heavily in the dominant English Languge lesson textbook of the time by Ridout. All schoolkids of my generation plowed through Ridout’s textbooks, so much so that I was aware when I conversed with him years later that this guy’s literary extracts shaped my idea of literature! I’d bet anything that Ray Davies used the same textbooks, as they dominated British secondary education. Van Morrison is fond of the nostalgic list genre too … see Cleaning Windows. Christmas Humphries book on Zen (the blue Pelican edition obviously), Paris buns etc.
I’ve often wondered how transparent VGPS is in North America … Desperate Dan featured in the Dandy comic (and still does) eating cow pies. Mrs Mop was a stock figure (ageing cleaning lady) in Whitehall farces (theatre comedies broadcast live on national holidays), Old Mother Riley was in Radio Fun comic. Then Fu Manchu, Moriaty & Dracula are the stuff of “Saturday Morning Pictures”. In the 1950s, most cinemas had Saturday morning shows for kids, with Roy Rogers, Batman and Fu Manchu.
I’ve been listening to the original VGPS this morning. It’s lovely how Last of the Steam Powered Trains grows out of “Spoonful.”
For a Band connection, Shoot out in Chinatown and VGPS. Common factor … Fu Manchu!
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Dave HopkinsPeter V: As usual, you're probably right on the album sales question, at least in the USA. A quick perusal of the RIAA database shows 4 gold albums (500,000 sales) credited to the Kinks (a '60s-era best-of and three from their late '70s renaissance). For the Band, the Brown Album is certified platinum (1 million sales), while MFBP, Stage Fright, ROA, and the Best of the Band are all certified gold. Then there's Before the Flood (platinum), and the Basement Tapes (gold), plus Planet Waves, on which the Band isn't formally credited, which also went gold. (Double LPs count for 2 units, which helps them in these sorts of ratings.)
For me, it's always instructive to remember how important Dylan was to the commercial success of the Band, such as it was, especially since the exposure they got on those albums with him undoubtedly contributed to a fair amount of the sales of Band-only albums as well. Had the Kinks not been banned from touring the USA during their creative peak in the late 1960s, and had they had the chance to release three albums (two of them double LPs) with Bob Dylan at the apex of his popularity, the competition might be closer.
Village Green and Big Pink are often cited as matching exercises in '60s-era affectionate nostalgia for simpler days gone by, though it seems to me VGPS is quite a bit more explicitly so. On that score, the closer counterpart is Cahoots: the last of the steam-powered trains vs. the last of the blacksmiths. I wonder how much RR was influenced by VGPS; he tends to be reticent about crediting contemporaries for inspiration, but the parallels are surely there.
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Peter VSubject: Michael Jackson (2)
For the next few days, the media will be full of mealy-mouthed tributes, but very soon, they’ll be piling on the unsavoury memoirs, because you can’t libel the dead. It’s all going to come out of the woodwork, just as it did with Elvis. I found an original Jailhouse Rock EP yesterday, but I can’t forget those bodyguard memoirs, and that one guy was detailed to hand our new plain white underpants to Elvis’s chosen paramours, because Elvis was turned off by any decoration or colour. I think that prediliction will seem pretty mild when this lot starts coming out!
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Peter VMichael Jackson. Very sad, but not a surprise. Many predicted he would never make the tour or the O2 dates. The whole financial basis of the O2 is now in question with £85 million in ticket refunds to find. Beat It and Billie Jean still remain extraordinarily powerful rock singles.
I imagine that The Kinks sold way, way more singles, but I would guess The Band sold more albums (especially if you include a million each for Planet Waves and Before The Flood). The average rock fan could name more Kinks songs (well, definitely in the UK), and The Kinks first three singles were a huge influence on both heavy metal and punk. The Kinks never did that well in album sales, which shows in the raity value of many Kinks vinyl albums. Village Green was a commercial failure, though in retrospect it’s one of the best albums of the entire era. File with Astral Weeks for lack of impact at the time compared to still being talked about forty years on. I bought my mono copy of Village Green about six months after its release for about ten shillings (50p) in a Woolworths cut out bin. Fortunately they hadn’t put a cut on the sleeve (as US cutouts did). It’s listed at an amazing £200 in the Rare record guide. I just checked … that’s doubled in two years.
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SerenityWeb: My link
Hi guys, no time to post, but with all these great people passing lately wanted to add to it with this link.
I apologise if it's already been posted.
Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo
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JTull FanDaena, It is being reported at least.
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daena (said dana) gallantLocation: florida
Subject: message in responce to j tull fan..
so did you here something about micheal jackson o.d-ing or something like that ? other wise i'm confused by your post ..well hopefully everyone here has a great rest of the day bye bye all of you all ..daena was here today..
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joe jSubject: Expo 67 - I Want To Be A Negro
My most vivid memory of Expo 67 was an outdoor gospel concert featuring a black family (The Dysons, Tysons ???) whose 10-year old lead singer was the big attraction. After their set the youngster romped in the shade of the grandstand with a young Joe J. while their mothers kept a eye out and conjured up ice cream on that incredibly hot day.
We (I think I can speak for our family) had met our first black people the day before (CN Railway porters).
I may have confided to my Mom that evening, that, when I grew up, I wanted to be a Negro [singer].
I may have fallen short in that ambition but I certainly was predisposed to falling for the Jackson Five a couple years later. You might say they were my first favourite band.
Incidently I've never heard of that gospel family since. No amount of googling has shed any light. One of my brothers has the impression that they were from Toronto. If you think you can do any good...
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Charlie YWilliam Carlos Williams wrote "the pure products of America go crazy." Like Elvis before him, Michael Jackson was a pure product of America.
Luckily, The Band was mostly a product of Canada.
Entered at Fri Jun 26 03:35:57 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Kevin JI would also agree with Brien on the name recognition question…..The Band always suffered from that….how many of us have had to say “The Band….you know Take a Load off Fanny…to be met with “oh ya…great song” but realize they just had no idea who The Band were….. The Kinks probably were more automatically linked to their hits…..I wonder who have sold more albums – The Kinks or The Band?
Michael Jackson: My only lasting memories are - living in Los Angeles in the early 80’s and having a girl let me listen in on her Sony Walkman (first time I had had the pleasure) and she had Billy Jean on…..early 1983….great girl and great song …….also his appearance on the Motown 25th anniversary show where he did his finest Ronnie Hawkins shuffle…..”Off the Wall” was one of the few non rock n roll albums I could tolerate at parties in its day….
J Tull Fan: It's good to see you back.......
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JoanWeb: My link
This makes for a compelling need for universal health care.
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JTull FanSubject: Michael jackson
So, an injection of Demerol may have caused it, a painkiller close to morphine.
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JTull FanSubject: Michael Jackson
What a sad end to person who should have had it all. I knew for years this day was coming, but it is still shocking. And it is an earily similar day and in an earily similar way that I learned about Elvis.
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Charlie YSubject: These Things Happen in Threes?
Farah Fawcett, Michael Jackson apparently have both passed away today, but only among the people here would the death of the key figure from The Seeds--Sky Saxon--rank as a third famous person passing.
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Charlie YSubject: John Donabie with Levon
Thanks, Jan H., for the link to the fine John Donabie radio interview with Mr. Helm. Wonderful.
I got to hang out at the XM radio studios in Washington, DC this week as Melody Gardot taped an upcoming performance which will air on Mike Marone's progam on The Loft in a few weeks. Ms. Gardot and her jazz ensemble were in fine form. Good radio is hard to beat--but hard to find!
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Bill MI agree with Brien, but whereas "Lola" will be the equivalent of a music hall ditty 50 years from now (and will perhaps be revived like some future Scaffold as some future "Lily The Pink"), "The Weight" will be a timeless Folk Song.
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Brien SzI would venture that in most circles, people can put the name "the Kinks" to Lola than people could say "the Band" to The Weight.
Entered at Thu Jun 25 22:50:27 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Kevin JI'm not sure this is a rock snob discussion but The Band and The Kinks are in a very small category of quite successful bands that have the unique distinction of being famous for one or two extremely well known songs (The Weight, UOCC, You Really Got Me, Lola) thus making them known to the average stiff while at the same time being a favorite of just about every serious rock music fan out there. I always liked the cut of Ray Davies’ jib but something about the way he chased after that assailant who snatched his girlfriend’s purse in New Orleans all those years ago just put it over the top for me…..fortunate that the bullet he took for his troubles didn’t do too much harm….
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Bill MSubject: the full frontal Lobo ...
Imagine what Mr Stewart could've done with A Dog Named Boo.
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MikeWeb: My link
Subject: Jim Weider's "facebook" fan page.
Entered at Thu Jun 25 19:43:05 CEST 2009 from ip70-187-64-130.cl.ri.cox.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
calvinActually Peter, I decided I couldnt wait 3 weeks and obtained a copy, via torrent. I'll still but it when it comes out in release as I have every Kinks and Ray Davies CD, but I couldnt wait. And it is wonderful.
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JoanWeb: My link
Subject: A dog named Beau
Jimmy Stewart's reading on The Tonight Show. Even Johnny got teary
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: 1st Class!
Johnny Depp's new movie, "Public Enemies", where he plays John Dillenger, I'm looking forward to seeing.
On that note, apparently last evening Johnny and his cast stopped at a restaurant in Chicago, arriving quite late. About 11:30 PM. They stayed 'till between 2:30 and 3:00 in the morning. Their bill was $4400, and the waiter who stayed late and patiently waited on them got his dues. Johnny Depp tipped him, $4000. Of course that wouldn't hurt his pocket book, but it was classy.
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JoanSubject: Bill M / Cubit
Yes, that is my homage to "The Cos". My room mates and I had a lot of great laughs in college listening to that wonderful record.
Entered at Thu Jun 25 18:31:56 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
JoanSubject: Bashful Bill
Bill, this is a beautiful piece from Jimmy Stewart the actor. Jan, I hope you will forgive me. This is rather long, but so great
Beau" by Jimmy Stewart
He never came to me when I would call
Unless I had a tennis ball,
Or he felt like it,
But mostly he didn't come at all.
When he was young
He never learned to heel
Or sit or stay,
He did things his way.
Discipline was not his bag
But when you were with him things sure didn't drag.
He'd dig up a rosebush just to spite me,
And when I'd grab him, he'd turn and bite me.
He bit lots of folks from day to day,
The delivery boy was his favorite prey.
The gas man wouldn't read our meter,
He said we owned a real man-eater.
He set the house on fire
But the story's long to tell.
Suffice it to say that he survived
And the house survived as well.
On the evening walks, and Gloria took him,
He was always first out the door.
The Old One and I brought up the rear
Because our bones were sore.
He would charge up the street with Mom hanging on,
What a beautiful pair they were!
And if it was still light and the tourists were out,
They created a bit of a stir.
But every once in a while, he would stop in his tracks
And with a frown on his face look around.
It was just to make sure that the Old One was there
And would follow him where he was bound.
We are early-to-bedders at our house--
I guess I'm the first to retire.
And as I'd leave the room he'd look at me
And get up from his place by the fire.
He knew where the tennis balls were upstairs,
And I'd give him one for a while.
He would push it under the bed with his nose
And I'd fish it out with a smile.
And before very long
He'd tire of the ball
And be asleep in his corner
In no time at all.
And there were nights when I'd feel him
Climb upon our bed
And lie between us,
And I'd pat his head.
And there were nights when I'd feel this stare
And I'd wake up and he'd be sitting there
And I reach out my hand and stroke his hair.
And sometimes I'd feel him sigh
and I think I know the reason why.
He would wake up at night
And he would have this fear
Of the dark, of life, of lots of things,
And he'd be glad to have me near.
And now he's dead.
And there are nights when I think I feel him
Climb upon our bed and lie between us,
And I pat his head.
And there are nights when I think
I feel that stare
And I reach out my hand to stroke his hair,
But he's not there.
Oh, how I wish that wasn't so,
I'll always love a dog named Beau.
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Charlie YSubject: "Twilight"
Shawn Colvin's new live album includes a nice version of "Twilight."
Entered at Thu Jun 25 18:11:32 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Peter VThe Kinks Choral Collection. When you have a song etched so firmly in every little detail as Waterloo Sunset is (or should be) it’s impossible to better it. That’s true of The Weight (yes, the version with The Staples was brilliant … but the original’s better) or Visions of Johanna or Penny lane or whatever. But you can do very interesting things with it as Ray Davies does.
BUT when you get to the Village Green Preservation Society, I think Ray has actually done the definitive version on the new album. The words fit. Usually the chorus is backing, with Ray’s voice right up front, but on Village Green the chorus get lines, and sections are used to push the lyric. e.g. All the men do “We are the draft beer appreciation society”. Then the drumming at the start of All Day & All of The Night is just recorded in a way that 1960s technology couldn’t touch.
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Charlie YLocation: Down in Old Virginny
Subject: Band Songs Ripe for Choral Interpretations
TNTDODD, The Weight, Acadian Driftwood, River Hymn, Moon Struck One (OK, just joking on that one).
Entered at Thu Jun 25 17:46:00 CEST 2009 from (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
DebBashful Bill, I'm sorry to hear that. I've been through it with two dogs now, and there's nothing easy about it. When you think about it, though, it's the last gift you can give a good friend. I love the line: "When you get to heaven, every dog you ever had will come running out to meet you." Be nice if that were the case, wouldn't it?
Entered at Thu Jun 25 17:42:59 CEST 2009 from mail.lumbergusa.com (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
JTull FanSubject: Bashfull Bill's Levon
B-Bill, I rarely even lurk out here anymore but saw your post and wanted to offer my sympathies. I recently lost a beloved pet (found him in the road while getting my Sunday paper)so I know how you are feeling. Best thing I did that day to ease the grief was sign up as a volunteer at my local private no-kill animal shelter. Felt like the best way to honor my pet, who also came from a shelter, would be to help those like him. If you have the time you might wish to consider it.
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Bashful BillLocation: Minoa, NY
Subject: Levon ( my Levon, that is)
The time came to put him down & my son&I did it this morning. 15 years old. I've been struggling with the decision for several weeks & finally made the appointment afew days ago. I thought I was prepared but I was in no way prepared for the reality of how hard that 30 second act would be. & coming home & not having him here is just surreal. Not having him in the house or in the yard as I type is surreal. Every time I leave the house on my way out the door I tell him to be a good dog&when I walk in the door I do a bright "Hiya Levon", sometimes before I even see him. This sucks. Dont know why I had no idea it would be this hard....
Entered at Thu Jun 25 16:49:21 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Kevin JWeb: My link
Above link to the great Ray Davies.......Band connection - the raincoat that Van the Man could have had on at TLW....
Entered at Thu Jun 25 16:30:39 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Bill MJoan: What's a cubit? Are you really asking or just channelling your inner Bill Cosby? NB: Moist down there?! That's no way to speak to a lady.
Entered at Thu Jun 25 08:59:06 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: Kinks Choral
Buying from amazon.usa here is pretty painless. I'd guess that it would be the same buying from amazon.co.uk in North America. Factor in the postage to the£8.98, and the fact that the pound is a lot lower than it was a year or two ago against the dollar, and you might not have to wait till July 14th (Bastille Day for Serge Tabernacle). You'd probably get it in 5 days to a week.
Ray Davies must have an odd deal. Working Mans Cafe (done very well on the new one, BTW) was later in the USA too. Just watch the video at amazon.co.uk a few times … his comfort with the words after so many years shows in his interpretation, and his voice is as good as ever. Unusual at his age.
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CalvinThe Kinks Choral Collection wont be released til July 14th on this side of the pond Peter, but Ill have it the first day its out.
Entered at Thu Jun 25 03:15:39 CEST 2009 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
JQSubject: Nick Lowe & Ry Cooder
They performed together last week in Amsterdam & a few other placesover there too I believe. There's a couple songs from that on youtube now.
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jacque tabernaqueSubject: angels and demons
hey peter , hows de royal bunch over der in jollie england. readed de post whers you are described as de antiband. someone out der is very astute dont you tink. you english just love to administrate, but hows come you always get the job. have a listen to danny brooks song "unseen hands" on the "rock this house" cd, band connection, the late great Richard Bell as musician/composer/producer, very illuminating. for nows au revior mon amis. oh i forgets, where is beg and serenity, i miss very much de femmes, oh oh oh
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Jersey GirlSubject: Kinks Choral
Sounds really interesting, and I'd definitely pony up 8.98 in pounds for it, but on Amazon US, it's $31.98! Maybe they'll release it here eventually, but right now it's a very pricey import.
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bob w.Web: My link
My (and our) friend John Donabie's interview with Levon has been posted on Levon's site. Get on over there and enjoy John's wonderful work.
Thank you, John. Great stuff. And many thanks to Levon for another stellar musical effort.
Entered at Wed Jun 24 23:46:59 CEST 2009 from 21cust153.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
SteveBrien, I really don't care if what is said in op-ed pieces in FOX NEWS. I won't effect me one way or the other. We've had a grat system for about 40 years. But you did say, "interesting", when describing them so I read them.
I would use the word, uninformed, in one case and someone speaking on behalf of people he isn't in the same boat with on medical coverage in the second case. "Curious propaganda" is the way I'd describe them. If that "feuille de chou" ever prints an OP-ed piece that runs contrary to the medical insurance industry please link it, now that in itself would be interesting.
Entered at Wed Jun 24 23:14:24 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Kevin JI said to a girl last Friday night “I think I like you – possibly a lot”…..she replied …“In a weird way, I like your passion”…….She walked like a women but talked like Jeff……I decided to leave early……..No I have not heard the new/old Kinks release….
Entered at Wed Jun 24 23:03:42 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Peter VWeb: My link
Subject: Kinks Choral
I got the Kinks Choral Collection CD yesterday. Ray Davies is in stunning form on lead vocal amidst a very weird exercise. I think I like it. Possibly a lot. Anyone else heard it?
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Subject: Nick Lowe
BASSMANLEE- And, for a Band connection, Nick Lowe performed at one of Levon's Rambles.
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Kevin J - While Mr. Carrack did indeed write the previously mentioned "How Long Has This Been Goin' On", "Tempted" was written by Difford & Tilbrook of Squeeze, which Carrack was a member of at the time. To tie up the recently mentioned musical circles, Andy Fairweather-Low also played on several Roger Waters tours. I met Andy, and was briefly introduced to Paul Carrack and Nick Lowe at a Paul Carrack show in Philly. Nick Lowe of course has recorded with John Hiatt and was his band-mate in Little Village. The wheels go round and round...
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bob w.Web: My link
Damn Kev, that was enough to have this crowd fire up the Fry-o-lator.
Entered at Wed Jun 24 21:38:07 CEST 2009 from server.mjhayward.com (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
MikeWeb: My link
Pic taken by my mother of a very rare blue lobster caught by a friend off the ME coastline in the Bay of Fundi.
"The Band" link: Joni Mitchell sings about the Bay of Fundi in her wonderful "Coyote" tune in "TLW." Plus, it's just a cool pic of a beautiful creature. Kim & I are heading up soon to catch a glimpse of while on a brief vacation.
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The Mr. Holland's Opus FoundationLocation: Studio City, CA
Web: My link
Subject: Autographed Robbie Robertson: The Last Waltz
We recently posted an autographed copy of The Band's, "The Last Waltz" on our eBay Giving Works page. Signed by Robbie Roberston. The winning bid will help to put an instrument into a child's hands!
Entered at Wed Jun 24 20:58:15 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Kevin JWeb: My link
Some Billy Joe Shaver to brighten up a slow day at the old GB Saloon!
Entered at Wed Jun 24 18:27:35 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Kevin Jdlew: “When We Were Kings” is a brilliant documentary about the Ali-Foreman Zaire fight in 1974…..there was a music festival organized as part of the proceedings and this is why – I would guess – Ali was in attendance….a sad footnote – King…..who would go on to great infamy for screwing fighters (including Ali) out of their earnings – also screwed the many musicians who played the festival out of their pay…….Black boss turned out to be the same as the old boss – in this case at least!
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bob w.Web: My link
Subject: dlew -- B. B. King "Live in Africa"
dlew, there are several songs from that DVD posted on YouTube. Great stuff.
Entered at Wed Jun 24 15:54:31 CEST 2009 from c-59-101-55-94.hay.connect.net.au (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
dlew919Subject: Saw B B King Live in Africa on DVD
Brilliant - Muhammed Ali is in the audience. Done about 1974, adn some of BB's finest playing. anyone else know this one?
Entered at Wed Jun 24 15:28:22 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
bob w.Web: My link
Forty two years ago...
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Brien SzSteve - sorry those folks didn't write what you wanted them to.
Entered at Wed Jun 24 12:58:51 CEST 2009 from 21cust239.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
SteveHey Brien, do you have to cleanse your eyeballs with some kinda eyewash after reading articles in The Fox Post? As usual I tried to read what you linked to but I fell asleep halfway through and woke up with QWERTYUIOP printed into my forehead. The topic is certainly worth linking to but how about linking to informed articles in the future.
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Brien SzWeb: My link
The actor, Jeff Daniels, played a show in NYC and the link is to the review. I didn't know the guy played guitar let alone writing his own songs. It's a well written, consice review.
Entered at Wed Jun 24 09:57:20 CEST 2009 from sannin29137.nirai.ne.jp (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Joan: oops! forgot about that one!! : )
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NBWeb: My link
Subject: Trouble In Mind (Broonzy)
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NBWeb: My link
Subject: Trouble In Mind (Aretha)
(Hike up your volume). Stumbled across this and hadn't heard it in over thirty years.
Entered at Wed Jun 24 04:18:27 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
The Roman Ulna might do.
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Egyptian Royal Cubit or Sumerian Nippur cubit?
Entered at Wed Jun 24 03:33:19 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
The ark construction is going well. We are still looking for the other Zebra. He got away yesterday. BTW what's a cubit?
Entered at Wed Jun 24 03:16:30 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
bob w.Web: My link
Ray, Jerry Lee, Fats......
Entered at Wed Jun 24 02:23:38 CEST 2009 from rrcs-76-79-75-218.west.biz.rr.com (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Ben PikeLocation: Cleveland Tx
PV, that was a coupla Roche sisters who did C Line Saga, a staple of their concerts to this day (when you get all three). You knew that, of course. Thanks for the tip on Wolfgangs Vault, I'll see what it will cost me....And now, a poem.
WHY JR WROTE THE SONGS (When You Awake)
At The Oakland Show, Rick Danko had Ollie laying
out the the turn to his right, which put things straight
to his LEFT. Leaving him just a quicksilver moment to
compose a new line that might cover using your days
and saving your NIGHTS that would rhyme with his
southpaw side. Alas:"
Bhah do Dah, Smuak na LEFT."
Careful where you step and......
In this instance, he was not enough Deft.
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: Here's Johnnie!!!
Old Ed McMahon bit the dust last night. Another familiar voice and big smile gone.
I'll e mail you shortly Lars, but quit pickin' on Joan. Coincidentally, we had a few sprinkles of rain a couple nights ago. First rain in three weeks. This place is better-n-Hawaii.
Entered at Tue Jun 23 23:11:15 CEST 2009 from vance011.net.gov.bc.ca (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
NBHi Joan. From watching the goings-on out at Bethpage last week, I gathered it's been somewhat moist down your way.
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LarsLocation: Part of the remaining area of NY state
Subject: Ain't No Sunshine When She's Gone
JOAN- Ever since Long Island announced that they want to secede from New York State, everybody in Albany is pretty ticked off about it. Including the weatherman. There will be no sunshine on Long Island until further notice. Tomorrow they're supposed to start trucking in the locusts.
You know I'd help you if I could....
Entered at Tue Jun 23 22:40:59 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
bob w.Bob Seger played the Tower back in the late seventies while I was working for Electric Factory Concerts. After the show he was distraught over his performance (which we all thought was pretty damn good) and insisted on booking a return date immediately. He was very genuine and very committed to his music.
I agree. He was great and they were one hell of a good band. He wrote some beautiful songs. Thanks for that link.
Entered at Tue Jun 23 22:30:59 CEST 2009 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
JerrySubject: Kevin J and David P
Kevin J, We always come back to The Band in here but we go to many other cool places as well. Sometimes ya have to search out great music and this place is as good as any to find it.n
David P, Thanks for the link, I always liked the guitar on Slow Turning and was pleasently surprised when I found out that it was Sonny's.
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Friend0Seger was great back then. Travelin Man into Beautiful Loser , abzafuckinglutley magnificent. Live Bullet probably captured him at his peak live.
Entered at Tue Jun 23 20:58:14 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Kevin JWeb: My link
Subject: Jody Girl
For what it is worth - the above is a link to my favorite Bob Seger song.....one of those great singers that could have fit nicely with The Band.....
Entered at Tue Jun 23 19:04:46 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
JoanSubject: Bobby Jones/ Squeeze/ Sunshine
Bobby; On Facebook, Maud said the project will be done.No date given,, but she said they have to finish a few projects first.
I like Squeeze a lot. I saw them at MSG years ago. A good show.
Lars: What sun?? Still gray (grey) here.
Entered at Tue Jun 23 19:03:44 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Kevin JPaul Carrack was part of Roger Waters Radio Kaos band and on that tour ( 1987 – I think ) he would walk out on stage – very impromptu with house lights still up just before the show started and do “Tempted” solo. I saw this twice and both times the arena went nuts in appreciation. I remember thinking at the time how beautiful it must feel to have written just one song that could get that kind of response from 18,000-20,000 people………….
Entered at Tue Jun 23 18:42:24 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-161-40-47.hvc.res.rr.com (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
LarsIn Ace's "How Long..." the band that was trying to lure Ace's bass player (Comer) was a band slightly higher in atature than ACE: "The Sutherland Bros and Quiver." Ace was just a bar band at that time and these "friends with their fancy persuasions" already had a hit record (of sorts).
It's great to have a sunny day to catch up on all the chores around this place.
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David P.Subject: It takes a Little Village to raise hell on slide guitar...
Thanks Bob for posting that great clip!
Entered at Tue Jun 23 17:15:27 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Kevin JWeb: My link
Bill M: I remember playing road hockey and the word was out that one of the guys older brothers was “getting laid” by a girl a couple of streets over…..once it was explained to me what this all meant – the word took on some added excitement….hearing the song quite often in the early 70’s – especially in the car – I just assumed that my mother and others had no idea what it was all about. Then my brother ruined it all by informing me it was about a dog named Lady. ……Funny about songs though….sometimes lyrics just float over without much inspection….I loved “Walk on the Wild Side” long before I had any idea what it was all about…….took me years to figure out what FLA was…..
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bob w.Web: My link
And here's John Hiatt with another pretty respectable slide player......and a GREAT band. I was fortunate to see these guys at the Tower Theater back in the early 90's. One of the best nights of live music I have ever experienced.
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David P.Web: My link
Correct "Slow Turning" link.
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David P.Web: My link
Subject: Sonny Landreth
Jerry: Sonny Landreth played on John Hiatt's "Slow Turning". I highly recommend this 1989 album which was produced by the esteemed Glyn Johns. (link to video clip of title song above) Mr. Landreth has also worked with Bobby Charles, appearing on his "Secrets of the Heart" and "Last Train To Memphis" albums.
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Brien SzWeb: My link
Two interesting OP-ed pices on Health Care Reform.
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Brien SzWeb: My link
2nd article on Health Reform
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Bill MKevin J: You mean Squeeze was tempted by a real fruit? And who were these friends of the fancy persuasion? Re "Lay Lady Lay", if you're like me and thought for the first 30+ years that the line went "his thoughts are dirty but his hands are clean" - it's no wonder that the tweenaged you thought it was risque.
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SteveSubject: Golly Gee Bobman!!!!!!
Bob, are you trying to add a 60's Batmanish TV soundtrack to the GB chatter? If so, the original Batman program made it quite clear that using large, bold print is much more effective. Here's some examples of what I mean. OUCH! BAM! POW! ZAP! Feel free to use any of these examples to spice up your posts, they're in the public domain so there are no fees to pay.
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Peter VSubject: Ben's Basement Crossroads
I have a similar idea on my iPod and I played around with various CD compilations years ago. Seek out Coulson, Dean, McGuinness, Flint's "Lo & Behold" (which used to be hard to get but is now easy). That's all Dylan covers. Some are Great White Wonder things with no basement connection, but early on no one knew which were which. For example, If You gotta Go, Go Now was lumped in with basement stuff on early boots.
Also Kate & Annie McGarrigle's Clothes Line Saga is wonderful.This Wheel's On Fire is (sorry) better by Julie Driscoll than The Band in summing up an era.
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RodSubject: Tour 74
I wonder if this will ever get the same treatment as the 66 tour or Rolling Thunder and get released again in the booleg series. There must be plenty of outakes - such as the one from AMH. Such a shame it wasn't filmed - but we also thought that about the ROA concert. I'd love to see an oficial release of the Syria Mosque concert - I did see a boot of that once.
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Peter VSubject: Squeeze / Up The Junction
One of my most played tracks from 2009 is Chris Difford's solo re-make of "Up The Junction." I got it on a magazine cover disc and have played it to death. It sent me to play the Squeeze version and it's a rare case of a later "revisit" of a song where I prefer the later version to the original.
Strangely, I haven't bought the album … I've bought fewer albums in 2009 than any other year in the last twenty, and by a huge margin. It's unavailability of decent browsing space in good shops (it's all games and DVDs) and also paucity of releases. I'm not downloading, but I'm buying loads of old vinyl singles instead.
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bob w.Web: My link
Subject: Squeeze Play
Speaking of Squeeze, I've always felt that were sadly underrated. Terrific live show.
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bob w.Web: My link
How long has this been going on?
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Pat BBen, Wolfgang's vault has a number of Band shows--shortened--which were part of the Dylan 74 tour. Boards of that tour that circulated included Boston, MSG, and Dallas.
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DexyWeb: My link
Subject: George H on Levon H
Interesting old interview with George Harrison at the link above. Here's what he has to say about drummers:
"Ringo has the best backbeat I've ever heard. Just him and Levon Helm from the Band, they're the only two drummers who play – they don't think technically, they just hold the sticks and play."
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Ben PikeLocation: Cleveland Tx
Jan, did you see the 74 tour in Chicago? Yeah, I had a take of "Tough Mama" from the show that I got off Limewire I think, not too bad sound quality. I will ask around "The Dylan Pool" and see if somebody can help me out. Still, there should be some other soundboards rather than just Oakland.... How do you think "Even If it's a Pig" measures up against "You Know My Name?" Have you ever heard the "Isle Of Wright" opening set, or were you there for that matter?
Glad to see people keep up the tradition of fighting over nothing here. Speaking of which, on the non-75 take of "Too Much Of Nothing" Bob and the boys sing the chorus in a whole different key. This was adopted by Peter Paul and Mary in their truth-be-told not bad at all version. I think for Christmas this year I'm going to create a homemade CD called "Basement Crossroads", half will be songs Bob and the boys covered in the sessions and the other half will be other people's covers of BT tunes. Speaking of which, sometimes when I read these bitchy posts I think.... "It's gossip not flowers they have on their minds....."
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MikeWeb: My link
Subject: Arkansas Times online review of Levon's 06/20/09 show.
Entered at Tue Jun 23 01:16:11 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Kevin JThanks Jerry…….one of the pleasures of reading this site is hearing people’s take on music and musicians that otherwise don’t get a lot of publicity. While the rest of the world is busy Tweetering and My Spacing about what time they got out of bed – we’re talking about Sonny Landreth and Paul Carrack – not bad at all!!
Lars – When I was young and thought “Lay Lady Lay” was risqué…my brother told me to relax - that it was about Bob Dylan’s dog named Lady…I never did verify this but it’s funny how one can carry certain things about songs around only to be surprised years later. I do think the great Squeeze song “Tempted” was pretty unambiguous but perhaps not….
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Bobby JonesLocation: Columbus
Subject: looking for some Bacon Grease
anyone have an update on this box set? It (The Band site)says sometime in 2009 and were half way through the year without a peep of a solid release date, this thing has seemed to been plagued by delays from day one. Hope it sees the light of day, regards, Bob
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Subject: Bass-line songs
KEVIN J- After reading your post , I got to thinking about songs with prominent bass lines. What came to mind was Ace's "How Long Has This Been Going On," so I just did some research on it. Paul Carrack was the keyboard player and lead singer of Ace, an early '70s British band. He wrote the song not as a question to a crumbling romance (which, for all these years, is what I thought it was about), but as a question to a bandmate, after discovering that his bass player, Terry "Tex" Comer, was making plans to leave his group (Comer had even performed with the other band he was preparing to join).
"How Long" was actually about Comer's commitment to Ace. Perhaps that's why the bass line opening was used on the song that made it to #3 on the US charts.
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Bill MKevin J: I've never thought of "Come Together" as a bass song, but I can certainly understand that bass is what Stanley Clarke would have been listening for. For me, I'd say that "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" is when I had that kind of reaction - when the bass carries the song. So I guess it's my favourite instance of McCartney's melodic playing. I also like what he did on "Ballad Of John And Yoko" in a very different style. (It was him, right?)
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JerrySubject: Sonny Landreth
Hey Kevin J...Sonny came through town up here last fall and I was privledged to get to see him for the first time. To anyone who might get the chance to see Sonny run don't walk to that show. I didn't know he was part of John Hiatt's Goners, although probley not news to many of you in here. I bought his latest cd From The Reach and a older release Grant Street and really like both of them very much. Hopefully he makes it back up this way soon.
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Peter VWhen Paul's bass playing sounds "off" it's time to invest in a new radio / hi-fi or whatever.
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Kevin JWeb: My link
Subject: How's this one Bill
Stanley Clarke on Sir Paul:
"Paul definitely had an influence on my bass playing, not so much technically, but more with his philosophy of melodic bass lines - especially as I hit my teens and the Beatles' records became more adventurous. On tracks like "Come Together," the bass line WAS the song. I've always liked that. The only other person I knew of who was doing that was James Jamerson. That was one of the reasons I was inspired to write "School Days": so I could just play the bass lines and people would hear a whole song."
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Bill MSubject: bassists
"Penny Lane" was playing when I flipped to the oldies station. Lovely song of course, but for some reason I homed in on the bass: the notes seemed mushy and at times off. The bass playing on the next two songs left McCartney in the shade: "I Dig Rock And Roll Music", with superb work by Denny Gerrard (very short, very accurate and very pleasing notes), and then "Up On Cripple Creek", with its fabulous son-of-Ray-Brown work.
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Peter VSubject: 74 shows
Ben, the one boot to get is Chicago, 3rd January, first show on the tour. That has Share Your Love and Holy Cow, plus Nobody 'Cept You, as well as the opening "Hero Blues" which dropped out after that. The unusual songs at Chicago, which were subsequently dropped, make it the most interesting. BUT there was a reason they were dropped, I feel.
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Kevin JWeb: My link
Subject: Bon not Ben Iver
A clip of Bon Iver....one can see why people like RR are so impressed.....try leaving this on in a car when others want Lady GaGa......Ah life can be tough at times....at the lunch stop I did ask for the Lady GaGa cd to look at so that I could study the song list so as to be prepared for when we returned to the car.......given the time I spent looking at her pictures instead I was told that my punismement would be no Bob Dylan the rest of the trip!!!
Entered at Mon Jun 22 21:21:53 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Kevin Jbob w: Your taste in guitar players is something else............Sonny Landreth!! Great player.... Makes me wish Clapton would put on a Guitar Fest every year....seems it is every 3-4 years - hopefully the next one is sooner than that as it is the only time I get to see Sonny Landreth play............Somewhat related to your review of the Clapton/Winwood show, I had the opportunity to watch the Cream reunion at Albert Hall on dvd again this past week and was just stunned at how on form Clapton was at those shows........agree that there are any number of people that are always making references to Clapton "losing it" but this has always seemed to me to be baseless.......and more to do with an easy swing at the top guy than anything else..........the only time I have trouble with his playing - interestingly enough - is the blues stuff - as I just have never felt the blues when he plays. Stevie Ray Vaughan I felt it to the bone but never with EC.........everything else though is great and I hope to get an opportunity to see him with Winwood........
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Bashful BillLocation: Minoa, NY
Subject: Griffin's "Bash "
I didnt get Bash for Father's Day, but my son did give me a new book about Rod Serling (not a bio, more of a critique) written by Doug Brode with some contibutions from Serling's widow, Carol. I've read a good deal of Brode's stuff&have taken a couple film courses from him & like him generally but with reservations. Example of my reservations - in the 3rd sentence of the intro(which is all I've thus far read)he claims Serling to be " the most imaginative of all American writers since EA Poe". Not only over the top hyperbole, which is known to appear in his writing, but completely inaccurate(he could have rightflly complimented Serlings work as well as shown his admiration without going so far, even could have simply stuck the word "arguably" in there). Still, a fine Father's Day gift. My girlfriend gave me a weedwhacker, heh! Inafew minutes plan B springs into action : I have a $25 gift card AND a 20% off coupon at Barnes&Noble which expires today, so Million Dollar Bash will soon be on my "to read" pile. Sure wish they would hurry up & release a good comprehensive but real&raw volume of BT already.....
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bob w.Web: My link
Kevin, or you could listen to........
Entered at Mon Jun 22 20:10:22 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279311875.dsl.bell.ca (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Kevin JSubject: New Music
I went to the record store on Saturday and picked up the new Dylan, Ben Iver's "For Emma" and the re-release of The Band's "Rock of Ages"......ROA is a sentimental favourite as it is the album that introduced me to The Band in 1977 - clipped it from my older brothers collection to impress some friends over at the house skipping school that I knew more than just Bowie, Faces and Zep! It now comes with 10 new songs! No news to any of you I am sure but something I was not aware of......ROA remains my desert island Band disc.....fabulous!!
The new Dylan: 6 of 10 songs - I like very much. Songs 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, and 10 are really strong. Songs 2, 3, 4 and 8 are hard to listen to. Listening to the final song ( 10 ) "It's all Good" ......had the whole car rockn' and swinging - not bad for an almost 70 year old! Just baffling that Bob aka Mr. Frost would put 3 clunkers in a row to follow a really strong opening track....I wonder how many people listening gave up before getting to track 5!
Ben Iver - really liked it first time through - lost a bit of interest 2nd time but chalked this up to being in a car - perhaps this is music better suited to listening to alone in the dark..........
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Ben PikeLocation: Cleveland Tx
Subject: Even If
Hmm... so the "Even Pig" as it were, has a confused history. Well, it's a start. And somewhere there is a recording of "Little Birdies", even with terrible sound. I have checked the web, and no set lists for 74 seem to be posted. But a comprehensive set of boots, I believe, might include "Share Your Love" and "Holy Smoke." Peter V, have you heard that recent Dylan cover of "Yea Heavy?"
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Peter M.Location: by the pond
Rick released a CD, simply called Rick Danko Live in about '97. It's delightful, featuring him, Professor Louie, and Randy Ciarlante. His playing is at times full bodied, at times spare, with spaces in between, suggesting the other instrumentation. A very satisfying document. I'll have to dig it up and give it a listen again before commenting further, but Twilight, Chest Fever (!), The Shape I'm In and Long Black Veil are songs that he really delivered on. And the reason I'll have to look for it is not lack of interest, but the fact that I packed it up with some favorites I took with me on vacation last year, and when I unpacked too casually, my house ate it. It's worth the search, and if I don't find it again I'll order another from Woodstock records.
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SteveNorm, interesting to hear you calling Jeff a dog, knowing your fear of them.
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Peter VSubject: Day-O
Ben, dunno. There's a bootleg collection of Basement tape fragments that were supposed to be a final Band only volume of The Genuine Basement tapes series (as Volume 6). It contains various bits called "Instrumental" or "Trombone Bit". There are two bits called “Gloria in Excelsis / Banana Boat Song” which come in exactly the same positions as “Even If It’s A Pig Part 1” and “Even If It’s A Pig Part 2” on the online lists of the 10CD Basement tapes (plus sources and covers) at The Never Ending Pool site. Some say that’s it. I used to be into arcane basement tapes lore, then my mind boggled.
I don't like to say this … but, um, it's not very good!
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Ben PikeSubject: Cleveland Tx
Peter V, are you saying you've HEARD even if it's a pig? I don't know if Croz FM has his downloads back on the boards, but I got the first generation Garth tape
that Neil Young had for years off that. To me, the sound quality on the 75 release was never a problem, and the new remix doesn't make a big change (like the few additional outtake photos from the session, though. For those who haven't read the Griffin book, it was shot in the basement of the Hollywood YMCA, no doubt a short trip for Angleo Rossito, who is dressed up as a paper boy. Rossito, who also appears on Wait's "Swordfishtrombones" cover, was in "Freaks" and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome."
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Peter VSubject: Stuff You've Gone Off Of
It's a valid point. While trying to narrow my choice to the mere 3,932 songs on my iPod as Apple Lossless files over a year or so, I revisited a lot of stuff I found I no longer liked that much. I just checked. Don't Wait is the only song currently in The Band playlist from Jubilation. But I think I'll add a few to that.
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: "Newly Formed Band"??
Another silly remark by the dog!
I think there is a misconception, that seems to have snowballed over time. Robbie Robertson was unexpendable to the BAND. It's true! However, the same is true of the entire 5.
There are many capable guitar players, bass players, drummers and keyboard people. The sound and feel of the music of those original five guys was unique. Any one of them being gone changed that forever. That is not argueable.
Think of CCR, without the voice of John Fogerty. It would not be CCR. Undisputable. There are other band situations where it was not as noticable, however, as we have said for years now. THE Band.......was THE BAND
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Friend0Nick, i've expressed this before. Viney is the AntiBand. Don't forget to check in to be able to keep the devil down.
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David P.Subject: Too much of something...
I think Robbie Robertson's post-Last Waltz recordings also suffer at times from the "just a little too much going on" factor. His work during those years, including the soundtrack contributions, as well as the four solo albums released between 1987 through 1998, are often crowded with too many cooks in the kitchen. Empty spaces are few & far between -- just look at the long list of musician credits on his solo albums. Over those years, his approach to music certainly evolved into more different directions than that of his former Band members, perhaps with the exception of Garth. He chose to follow those different paths, rather than revisit the old Band formula.
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Jan F.Location: metro DC
We saw Buddy Guy last night with Susan Tedeschi as the opening act at Wolftrap in Vienna, VA. They did a medley together during BG's set -- outstanding!
Buddy did acoustic blues tunes as an encore w/his guitar player.
Bummer was - - I didn't take my camera, doh! I won the tickets in a contest and didn't know they would be row 8, center section. Figured they'd be crummy seats.
Ran into a guy at the concert I did MADD volunteer work with a few years ago. Turned out he was at the Wanee Festival in FL a couple of weeks ago also. He is now doing some kind of work with Little Feat . . . didn't get to talk to him long, but got his e-mail address and will catch up soon and see what he's doing with the Feats.
Band connection: not really, but it least it's about music and not beating a dead horse (as we would say in the South!)
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Brien SzDavid - I forgot about those collaborations and have all three and they are quite a strong collection but they to at times suffer the same mid to slow tempo fates. Yet, for me, the majority of those songs resonate with me making the tempos just fine.
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Peter VSubject: DFA
Agreed. The DFA Records show what Rick COULD have been doing with The Band. There's a 1993 radio show from Manta Eastern Sound in Toronto with The Band doing Driftin' Away. Then in Tokyo in 1994 The Band did Blue River and Kingfish live.
The point I was making that they should have kept this stuff in the act, and the act had solidified without improving in 1996. Rick never had much luck in doing This Wheel's On Fire live with the original line-up either.
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David P.Subject: Blue Rivers & Foghorns in the '90s
In my opinion, Rick Danko's best work in the '90s can be heard on the various collaborations with Eric Andersen & Jonas Fjeld. This includes the two Danko/Fjeld/Andersen albums, later reissued together on "One More Shot", along with an additional live CD recorded in Norway. Rick also appeared on several cuts on Eric Andersen's "Stages: The Lost Album" (1991) and "Memory of the Future" (1998). Check Jan's discography section for further details.
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GaryLocation: Stony Point, NY
Web: My link
Subject: Band tribute
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We cross posted. Without denying your right to an opinion, nor even agreeing, nor disagreeing with it, I wonder if Electric Dirt is going to be a companion piece, and meant to be heard with Dirt Farmer, and then on that, you get more variance?
does that even make sense?
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dlew919Subject: Changing tastes
Without entering into debates about things I don't know about, (I never saw any of the Band incantations, and I've not heard Jubilation - I'll have to pick it up on iTunes, I thin - i haven't found it down here, yet), but an interesting question has been raised:
what albums did you love once, but now don't like? Or like less? But, to give it some grit, not stylistic changes - 'I loved 'Iron Man' by Black Sabbath, but now I can't stand Heavy Metal' (not true for me... but an example), but more along the lines of 'I used to love Kris Kristofferson's 'Jesus was a Capricorn', but over time, I prefer his other stuff'
To start, I thought Alison Kraus' live album was brilliant, but now, after the passage of time, it seems a bit calculated to me (that's not to say it IS, just that there's a mechanics about it that I see). I still like it, just not as much as I used to. (I think Alison Kraus is, on the whole, fantastic, by the way)
What have YOU changed your opinion on?
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Brien SzMaybe folks will think I'm nuts, but I think Rick's first solo effort and Robbie's three offerings are better listens than Dirt Farmer. Don't get me wrong, I like Dirt Farmer but a sameness in tempo, for me, drags it down. Maybe the songs are better live, I don't know, or maybe I want some up tempo jams/songs. Every song is mid tempo or slower. The playing is great - don't get me wrong and since I do most of my music listening in the car or at my computer, I want something that has some pop to it. I've seen Levon play live and I know that foot stompin, head noddin, ear to ear smilin jam is in him - it just isn't there in Dirt Farmer for me.
When I want mellow - I'll listen to Floyd, Tangerine Dream and some other folks. Sea to the North is an eclectic listen and stands apart from the other efforts in terms of tempo and melody and for me is hard to compare to the other member solo efforts.
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Rich PListening to Leonard Cohen's 'Live in London' for the fourth or fifth time now, it’s difficult not to think about how much better it would have been with Garth in the band. (Of course, you could say that about just about anything!).
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RodSubject: 80s and 90s Band
Though I've never seen The Band live I have to agree with Peter. The 80's DVD from Vancouver has some good moments but they're mostly Richard's. The new songs on Live at Loreley are better than the old songs which sound lack lustre. I occasionally listen to Jericho but I haven't listened to the other two in years.
For me Rick was at his peak around the time of TLW and his voice was never the same after that. (I could same the same about Robbie's guitar playing to.) Richard played really well on the Vancouver video which makes his death even more tragic. Garth is always great but seemed more constrained in the new Band. He's almost not there in Vancouver. Levon's voice was unfortunately shot to peices by the mid nineties and I'd much rather hear him without a backup drummer. I'm sure Robbie would have taken them in a different direction to the country and blues route they ended up taking and he was sorely missed.
That having been said Levon redeemed himself big time with Dirt Farmer - definitely the best of the Band solo efforts though "Robbie Robertson", "Rick Danko" and Sea to the North all have fine moments.
Entered at Mon Jun 22 09:22:22 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: The Same (old) Same Thing
Nick, I can spew crap until the cows come home. Without getting nasty most often too. Take a straw poll of those hundreds of lists of “Great rock songs”. You’ll find several Band songs (and songs the Band played live) in there. You will not find Stuff You Gotta Watch, Same thing, Caldonia. Therefore, it is objective to say that these three songs are less highly rated by most people than The Weight, Dixie, I Shall Be Released, This Wheel’s On Fire, Rag Mama Rag, One Too Many Mornings, Not Fade Away, Atlantic City, Louisiana 1927, or Blind Willie McTell. It’s subjective to say “They’re not as good” or “They’re generic” or “They’re boring”, but all three are my opinion.
The show they put on DVD, Live at Loreley, wasn’t the worst they did, but it was not a good one. And it’s there as a public record of them live near the end.
The whole week in Europe was a problem because Rick was “ill”. Dublin was much worse. London in front of the assembled music press was worse and screwed their credibility here, especially following a total trainwreck performance on GLR Radio in London earlier in the day. Cambridge, I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it and couldn’t believe how brilliantly Rick took It Makes No Difference in spite of very obviously not being at his best, but objectively they had been better in Vancouver two years earlier. It was fun, there were some great bits. Cambridge was early and it went downhill rapidly from there.
What shows serious lack of judgement is allowing Loreley to be released on DVD. Watch it next to the New Orleans DVD. Then again so little attention was paid to that release that the track list was most exciting. A new song! The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Anymore is listed. It turns out to be It Makes No Difference.
I was always excited by new Band albums, and gave Jubilation an enthusiastic review (and got the review around too which wasn’t a negative action). However, time treats it very badly. I did say:
there’s sometimes just a little too much going on in there, busy-ness confusing those essential Band-style empty spaces in the music.
Which was as far as I went. I also listed these points:
Garth is the only original member to appear on every track, somewhat tenuosly on White Cadillac to which he contributes “whistle, siren and shaker”.
Levon does not appear on Book Faded Brown at all
Rick does not appear on You See Me at all.
Jim Weider does not appear on High Cotton or Bound by Love
Richard Bell does not appear until track 5, and plays on only three numbers
The official line-up of six, quoted in the front, only appear all together on one track, If I Should Fail even then Aaron Hurwitz does the piano and accordion.
Randy Ciarlante, Garth Hudson, Aaron Hurwitz & Marie Spinosa are the only people who appear on every track.
Mike Dunn takes over bass for three numbers.
That characteristic slapping drum sound on the early tracks is Randy Ciarlante. Levon plays drums less on this album, and they rarely use the twin drum sound.
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NickStill spewing the same old crap huh Peter? What you write really is laughable.
I saw the 90's band at least 15 times and they were always great. I'm sure they had an off night hear and there but I'm also sure what great shows I saw represent more of the 90's Band than the one bad show you saw. Case in point in 1995 I saw the them open for the Dead in Chicago and they totally rocked the entire stadium. and when I say totally, the people were on their feet cheering and stomping. For The Band
Funny how you act like you know more about music and song selection than Levon Helm. He's in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. What is it you do again?
Mostly try to rewrite history on this page. Case in point you write a 5 star review on Jubilation when it comes out and now here you are 10 years later trashing it. And by the way members of the Band have co-writing credits on nearly every song on that CD. And Jericho is great too, how about "Too Soon Gone". You can't tell me Rick's voice isn't as good on that song as it's ever been.
Once again, you simply spew BS. Stick to the childrens education books since they are probably gullible enough to believe what you write.
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BudLocation: the Indoor Garde
Subject: Junkyard dog
Nobody take the bait, I'll wager player be arguing with hisself.
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Friend0Subject: The Moon Stuck One
Lars, just what kind of Disneyworld is it you are at?
Just looked at that Moon Struck One lyric. Downright scary .
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LarsSubject: I think it makes the ocean move, too
FRIENDO- Are you saying that the quality of sex in a Guestbooker's life is contolled by the moon?
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Friend0Subject: Pete on The Band
Pete, are you that you vested in presenting the 80s and 90s Band, the Band with out Robbie, so negatively, that you attempt to cast a descriptive image of them with the description of what if you are accurate, was a extremely poor show that was not representative of The Band, 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s. While you do state that it was one of their worst shows, why even describe it? Are you just trying to provoke people, by being negative about The Band and by virtue of one show describing Rick negatively and inaccurately, or do you want to give people who never saw The Band a negative picture?.
I never saw a Band show where Rick was not in good spirit, jovial, or did not have good stage presence. I was not at the show you describe, nor did I see the DVD, but Rick was not superhuman, I can believe he’d have a bad Band show. I’d seen some solo shows where he was not himself, but not for lack of trying. I can believe The Band had bad shows too. Why not?
I have seen more plenty Band shows where Levon was slow out of the gate, and it was Rick who led the charge till Levon came round the bend like he was heading home to see his wife after being 3 years in jail. The only show I saw that hurt me was the first back home , the one at the Capital in Passaic, that first after Richard hung himself. I saw many great shows, and many shows that had great parts to the show. Never saw a show that sucked, never was sorry I went, That does not mean I can’t believe there were bad shows.
Pete, I’m even willing to believe that everyone on this GB has had sex with a lover where it was incredible, and sex with the same lover where it was not incredible. And , in that relationship,j ust like the Band, if the performance was incredible once, more often than not itg was great or incredible. Once in a while it might have been just okay, and once in a very fucking blue moon it might have been awful. Once greatness is attained greatness usually prevails for the most part. That is true of The Band. Ups and downs, they happen .
Calvin, those 3 90s Band shows you saw. Would you miss the poor performance if it meant also giving up the two great ones? I know you are too much a lover of great music and The Band to take that deal.
Far as The Band without Robbie being like Hamlet without Shakespeare, please Pete, try to remember that
1) Hamlet was a creation of Shakespeare
If you need me or someone to explain each point in greater detail, I , or someone will. One more thing for you to remember , Pete:
Garth Hudson is not a upper east coast local musician.
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Peter VSubject: Lots of applause at the end
Indeed. It's called a "rock concert." It happens all the time. Especially as people have chosen to see their favourite group.
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JoanWeb: My link
Subject: Crazy Mama
Rick doing Crazy Mama.
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JoanSubject: Father's Day
Happy Father's Day to all!
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CalvinI may be alone in this but I prefer Rick's voice in the 90s, it had a warmth and timbre that his early vocals didnt, although earlier he clearly had more range and was able to do more.
I saw the Band 3 times in the 1990s, Twice as an opener in front of 5,000 plus and once in what was once a movie theater. Twice they were a great RnR Band, once I was emberassed.
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Friend0Pete, goddamn dilemma ya have now. Damned if i could answser Steve's question for ya if I wanted to. All the times i saw The Band in the 90s, at the end of the show there was too much godd,m hooting hollering, applauding, too may people clamoring to hear more music and screaming out various expressions of delight and imploring The Band to return to perform more music to know exactly what they all were saying. So I couldn't answer Steve as to what ( approproiate) response The Band wasn't getting at the end of a show weren't getting, because just about every person in the crowd was screaming too loud to identify what responses they were getting percentage wise, to be able to eliminate those,m and identify what they weren't getting.
I always heard some people call "encore", but there were so many people screaming and calling out "Levon", "Rick", "Garth",maybe adding "we love you" song titles," cmon back", hooting, whistling, clapping, stomping their feet,that it tended to drown out that more sedentary form of approval and request for more muSic.
Damned if sometimes The Band didnlt have to do 3, soemtimes even 4 songs to quiet these hecklers down.
Funny, 1986 was the only time that I presently recall seeing them in a club that coulb be considered small ( Imight bemissing some ).The orignal Lone Star cafe. It might have held 300 legally, proabbly 200, but it was always packed like sardines. and they did do two shows a night there. All the other shows were in sizable places, be they enormous clubs like The Ritz, big clubs like The Roadhouse or outdoors like Central Parks Sheepmeadow or , Woodsotck outdoors, venues like The Capitol or Carnegie. But at thr end of these shows,noone was leaving easy,. the goddam crowd made maddening noise to express their enjoyment,love, and appreciation. Steve, now that I think about it, it was so noisy, I'm not even certain that some peopel weren't delieriously clapping politely and calling "Author, Author".
BTW, Pete, in my response to your post that including "winning" last night, I negelected to point out the obvious. That my argument with Pat was based on my belief that characterizing Garth as a upper east local musician is absolutely absurd. My ongoing argument was not an attempt to win, but an answer to every riducluous assertation that characterzing Garth as such is a true and copmpetent statement. And also, an opoortunity for Pat to present some of the origin of where such characterizations come from. While I'd much prefer that here was no necessity to have these arguments, the necessity was there. Unless you want Lars to ref a rematch, it can die now.
Entered at Sun Jun 21 17:30:32 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Peter VSteve: We all hope for improvement. Garth seems forever exploring new fields. I know that Rick Danko’s bass playing was way better when I saw him in Vancouver in 1993 than when I saw him in Cambridge in 1995/6. He was brilliantly natural in 1993, just breathing out bass lines. He was as good as he ever was but not better. Neither Rick nor Levon’s voices improved between 1976 and 1993. That’s natural in the ageing process. The 90s Band appear to be Levon’s band, and firmly so. That had its downside in material. It had its upside, as I can’t see it would have happened at all without the force of his spirit and willpower. Watch that Loreley Festival DVD. It’s one of their worst 90s performances (well, most of the tapes I heard were much better … Dublin was worse). This is how I described it in my review at the time of release:
The setting is cold. They’re playing on a stone stage in a band shell, with the curved area in front of the stage kept totally empty for cameras. The crowd are at least fifty yards back from this, leaving them isolated on a grey afternoon. Watching the DVD was a strange experience, because the pictures, and especially the body language of all of them, strongly distract from the listening pleasure. These are not guys having fun. It’s all summed up in an expression of guitarist Jim Weider’s, caught just as Rick Danko starts a song. It’s full of utter suspicion and wariness. It says ‘Is he going to get through it?’ Richard Bell is possibly the outstanding instrumentalist on the day, but does not show one spark of pleasure, enthusiasm or interest in his face. Dark glasses don’t help. Garth Hudson is isolated, face covered by his hat, lost in the keyboards, never looking up. Randy Ciarlante is working hard, again expression concealed by sunglasses. Jim Weider looks deep in concentration and worried. On the audio, you hear that he’s on sparkling form on the day, but his face belies that. Rick Danko is standing there like a lumpen statue. None of his cheerfulness, or exuberance appears at all during the show. This is a man labouring to get through. He only sings lead on four numbers out of fifteen, and the rest look worried while he’s doing them. The reason that 5.1 doesn’t help is that his bass playing is unnaturally leaden, muffled and plodding. This is emphasized when Levon plays bass on Crazy Mama and immediately gets a crunchier tone, and hits a groove that has been eluding Rick Danko all afternoon. Levon’s voice sounds tired, he sounds wrecked, but his sheer spirit shines through, as if he’s holding the show (and the Band) together by the pure force of his willpower, which I think he might have been. I’ve had the same thought watching them before. The right way to have staged them was to put Levon on a great big drum riser at the front centre, put a spotlight full on his face, and stuck a broom handle up the back of his shirt to stop his habit of crouching so low that he gets hidden behind the cymbals. All the way through the show, it’s Levon (closely followed by Randy Ciarlante) who shows all the enthusiasm, drive and spirit. That’s what the audience wants to see. Fortunately the camera returns to Levon and Randy a lot.
Levon’s last album, “Dirt Farmer” was the best thing he’s done since 1976 by a mile. Perhaps the only person able to give him advice that he’d take was Amy. The result was a triumph. The 90s Band needed Larry Campbell!
Applause is a hard thing to measure between events. I was in an audience of about 500 last night watching my granddaughter’s dancing school annual show, with about 100 kids from 4 to 18 on stage. She was on for a couple of minutes in three hours. I can tell you that The Band on any day of their career would have been thrilled at the sustained level of applause throughout from the mums, dads and grandparents. The “author author” bit was something I was going to add to. I saw Jude Law onstage in Hamlet a couple of weeks ago. He did the “To be or not to be” speech as well as I’ve seen it done, in falling snow. At the end of the night, there were well-deserved standing ovations. Shakespeare probably couldn't have done the speech as well himself. But Shakespeare’s the guy who wrote the play.
Who was it who said “The Band without Robbie Robertson was like Hamlet without The Prince.” (Greil Marcus? Goldstein?)
Entered at Sun Jun 21 16:51:35 CEST 2009 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link
Don't know if anyone else has come across this. My older brother just e mailed me this site.
It's a juke box. You click on any year, and it plays you 20 hits from that year. Really cool, and some great old tunes to enjoy.
Dlew. (David) I'll e mail you. It's in Murrarie that Susan's daughter and her husband live now.
Entered at Sun Jun 21 16:40:16 CEST 2009 from 21cust155.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
StevePeter, you did a nice, fairly complete run down of the 90's Band from what I know of them. I don't know how accurate it all is but I bow to your interest and time invested in analyzing their lineup and the music they chose to play.
I do have a couple of comments and a question.
How could you improve on late 60's and early 70's Rick and Levon? I'm not sure if you think they would have gotten better if they were still under J2RS' guidance or not. Did , Sir Paul, ever improve on what he was musically, in any way, than he had been in the 60's? I guess people can get technically better but that would only be important if they were preparing for some kinda test or competition. I think the Band members were good enough technically and the rest was a question of timing and chemistry. How do you improve on Levon's drumming in King Harvest, for example. And as you said they were just as good twenty years later( though you put it in a slightly more negative light, " they were no worse" ouch!).
I'm a little confused as to why you added the crowd shouting, "Author, Author" at plays. What would be the equivalent response at a rock concert, that they apparently weren't getting from the crowds?
And of course , thanks to Levon, people can still see great renditions of many of those wonderful Band songs from 40 years ago and no one considers what he's doing as an oldies act. He's added lots of different songs to his shows that are vibrant and truly alive and fresh sounding and of course he's still putting out albums that sell and are worth listening to.
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bob w.Web: My link
Thanks to Amanda over at BFB for posting this link. Brilliant performance at Red Rocks.
Happy Father's Day to all the Dads here.
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Mike & KimWeb: My link
Happy Father's Day!
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Web: My link
Yesterday, in the city, I noticed Europe is in tight Obama embrace. I saw Obama books, Obama CD’s and DVD’s, a huge chocolate Obama in the middle of a shop window, 2 Obama baseball caps, a young girl with an Obama-JC T-shirt and an older woman lurking a Obama ice cream . Further down the road someone had spayed an Obama face on the blind wall of a abandoned factory. On our way home, between the suburbs, O B A M A was spelled in tulips along the road and now I knew the USA will be on his feat again in no time. Later as I tried on my warm Obama socks and tinkled my toe, I shook my head when I realized that he does that all alone.
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dlew919Subject: Stormin Norman Down Under
Norm: your daughters Queensland way, isn't she? Drop me a line - Vi has my email if you've lost it ... let's compare dates - hopefully we can catch up in some way!
Entered at Sun Jun 21 11:41:34 CEST 2009 from c-69-242-71-199.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Peter M.Location: by the pond
Has the fussin' and fightin' here subsided some? By the way, while I was surfing thru the cable channels I caught the last part of The King of Comedy. Missed "Between Trains", though.
Entered at Sun Jun 21 11:28:48 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Peter VBen, I would have leapt in to discuss any basement tapes music. Even "Even If It's Only a Pig." I was away Wednesday through Friday and not checking in here.But now I'd have to dig out the old tapes …
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Ben PikeLocation: Cleveland Tx
I must say, the lack of interest in the whole "Even If It's a Pig" issue is confounding. And doesn't any WANT to know what "Shootout In Chinatown" was like live?
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Friend0Lars, the flapjacks post was the first truly funny thing i can remember you writing. The last statement you made was a riot. Now if you don't ever post again, you can't fuck up a good thing. You go out leaving us laughing. :-)
Pete, It is pretty interesting that you try to portray this a debate with rounds, and a winner and loser. Pretty much from the beginning, i viewed this an argument. None of Pat's responses, or lack of, surprised me much. Pat and I have mostly disagreed since 2002. I know how he behaves in a disagreement, and I know how he behaves when he is clearly wrong. The wronger he is, the more so.
Arguments do not necessarily have winners or losers, and I did not expect any one to win anything. Again, having years of experience posting with Pat, I expected that no matter how correct my position is, Pat would refuse to admit that he is wrong. I expected this to continue ad infinitum.
The only thing that surprised me about the argument is that you and some other people let Pat fight it out himself for a few days. That's the first time any of you who regularly have psositions rather different than mine have been left to fight your own battle;for more than a post or two. But once you and your dreidel entered the argument, it was time to ask you if you consider Garth a upper east coast local musician . So you might actually portray yourself accurately. Thanks for obliging me.
I expected you to answer my last questions to you the way you answered them. i expected you to agree with Pat right down the line, and I also expected you to be unable to write the actual words, that you characterize Garth as a upper east coast local musician. I also expected you to use anonymous plural terms to lend false anonymous authority to your opinion, as you did when you wrote "most of us". It is your usual transparent tactic. I've always been able to stand on my own two feet, so I never needed to do that.
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LarsLocation: I'm on my way to Disney World
Subject: My scorecard at ringside
Peter- I saw the fight as a draw and reccomend an immediate re-match, starting tomorrow night.
Entered at Sun Jun 21 02:17:27 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Peter VI agree with Pat B right through your debate with him, Jeff. IMHO he won every round of the debate, except that like most of us, I don't think Pat was trying "to win" anything.
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Friend0Web: My link
Subject: Local Schmocal
The above link will take you to Garth's calendar from July 4th of 2008 till now. Please bear in mind, despite the high mileage zig zag traveling Garth and Maud have been doing, Garth has been producing and performing on two cds of his own during this time. And that is not in New York. The calendar also does not reflect the many places Garth and Maud have traveled to for session work, or the sessions Garth has done in Ulster County. July 4th 2008 is an arbitrary date, it just coincided with what I googled.
But look at the calendar in that time frame,. Is that the calendar of a local musician? Or that of a upper northeast local musician?
Entered at Sun Jun 21 00:28:49 CEST 2009 from 21cust222.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
StevePat, I'm sure you're too much into this round to realize when someone is just rattling your cage for fun. Relax, I'm just funnin you.
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Friend0Subject: Pete on Garth?
Pat wrote : "After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio".
This does not hinge upon frequent world touring, which was not the orignal point anyway, Pete.
Out of curiousity, and of course you are not required to answer, but do you agree with Pat's written statement that I pasted at the top of this post? Do you consider Garth a upper east coast local musician?
If you answer, try to remember, Pat writes about himself and his writing: "I write exactly what I think".
BTW, OQ versus 80s or 90s band? Cmon now. Pete, That rehashing of that old presentation of yours continues to mostly ignore all the wonderful, great music they made, the greatness of many of their shows. And far as your considerations as to what may have happened if Robbie ( Rob just donlt seem right)stayed in The Band, or was invited to join the reforming Band, as you admit, there is no way to gauge what would have happened. Hell, one possibility is the goddamn impossible way of life may have really proven too much for him, and who knows where that may have led. I won't even speculate, but the positive or gruesome possibilties are endless.
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Entered at Sat Jun 20 17:44:33 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: OQ v 90s
NEWS POINT: Record Collector quotes John Paul Jones. “Chest Fever” was rehearsed extensively for “Led Zeppelin” (one) but didn’t make it to being recorded.
I wasn’t going to do this any more. It’s a waste of breath. it’s repetitive. I’ve had my rabies shots though, so can ignore the junkyard dogs.
A couple of times in the Bay area in (say) 13 years is not frequent world touring. That was the original point. The Band came to the UK once after 1994, Rick did one visit solo, Garth has been most often, three times (I think). None of it constitutes a Never-Ending tour, in that in the same period I’ve seen Paul Simon three times, Bob Dylan three times, James Taylor and Leonard Cohen twice each without having to go more than 100 miles. I could have seen them many times more (and would have had it been The Band.) A major reason why it didn’t happen was The Band were not a big enough draw to support major tours.That’s not ability; that’s under-achieving management. So, their radius of operations was mainly the broad north-east.
As to the Original Quintet and the 90s Band. I thought the 90s Band was great, but were never as good in the OQ in a month of Sundays.
Why? Richard Bell was technically a pianist as least as good (pianists tell me technically better) than Richard. On some tapes, they sound better with just Randy Ciarlante on drums than they do with just Levon on drums. Jim Weider could play anything, and sounded most interesting on new stuff rather than old stuff. Garth had continued to get better and better. Rick and Levon were probably no better than they had been twenty years earlier. No worse either.
Where they failed was material. Period. Too much samey dull blues; Rick Danko not given the solo spotlight enough. Who would ever choose to plow through Caldonia, Same Thing, Stuff You Gotta Watch in preference to Rick doing Small Town Talk, Driftin’ Away or Blue River? Which are “more Band-like” to you?
They were a singer short. As Richard was becoming a liability by 1976 rather than an asset, I don’t think that mattered quite so much live as they’d been focussing less on his songs already by then. But it DID cut down on the variety and the light and shade in a concert. It also seriously cut an edge off the blend.
The set list wasn’t as good as it should have been. They didn’t try new stuff. They lacked the drawing power of a Van or Dylan who alter their set lists 50% from show to show. OK, Van Morrison or Dylan is in your home town tonight? Get a ticket. Tomorrow night, fifty miles away? At least half different material. Get another ticket. The 90s Band? Will they play Deep Feeling or Many Rivers to Cross as Jim’s feature tonight? That was about the shift between shows. I wouldn’t have chosen to see them two nights running very often.
By Jubilation it was manifestly too many cooks spoil the broth – too many guitarists along for the ride, with very little with all three originals playing together.
The reason they didn’t have material? First, they sat hard on their surviving (if not terribly prolific) songwriter, Rick, and didn’t let him do his solo stuff which is why he kept doing solo shows, I expect. So, you have the guy who co-wrote This Wheel’s On Fire, an incredibly well-known song because of Ab Fab (and Julie Driscoll and Bob Dylan and Siouxsie & The Banshees). He’s there on stage. Do you perform it? Nah, you do a twelve bar instead. So why was that? Would he perhaps have started to look like “the leader”?
Garth should have had at least two spots doing material like “Sea to the North” as well as The Genetic Method. The new members always called Levon “the boss”. From years of listening to many people, I concluded long ago it was neither a democracy nor a triumvirate and it suffered from that.
But mainly, they didn’t have the material because they didn’t have Robbie Robertson. Astute choices of two brilliant songs, Blind Willie McTell and Atlantic City covered their arses on Jericho. Then what? They did good stuff they didn’t record too (Kingfish, Louisiana 1927).
Another missing factor about Robbie is the “What might have been?” Robbie showed genuine interest in new bands and new sounds, and had he stayed on board, I’m sure the mid-90s set would have sounded very different indeed because new light would have been cast on old songs rather than retreading them. They would have changed. For starters, Garth would have been given his head to develop songs (just listen to what he did with “Jupiter Hollow.”) They’d have drawn on wonderful material like Soap Box Preacher (Levon singing) and Making The Rules (Rick singing), and no one would have done Somewhere Down the crazy River as well as Robbie. Whatever. Might have been for the worse, who knows? But they couldn’t have been tagged an oldies show.
In the end, on the first night of a play, the audience stand up and applaud, calling “Author! Author!” The 90s Band didn’t have “the author.”
Entered at Sat Jun 20 17:32:25 CEST 2009 from adsl-68-255-5-83.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Pat BBen, Share Your Love is on the two Roosevelt Stadium boots (73). We Can Talk was part of the 1971 Europe tour and appears in fair audio quality on RAH. Same show that produced Look Out Cleveland from AMH. Little Birdies is on the Winterland boot in poor quality--their second show IIRC.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 17:26:55 CEST 2009 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: The supreme insults
RR & four other guys, playing what RR told them to play. The junk yard dog, as usual just can't be trained.
Then has the audasity, ignorance and bad manners to expect Sebastian to converse with him. Why any one will even bother to acknowledge any of this script is mistifying.
Then of course he will demand that everyone apologize to him. The only part that is entertaining, is the spelling, typing and leaving out words, and putting in too many, that does make for some interesting possibilities of imagination in what the theme really is.
DLEW 90210! What is going on??? As Susan's daughter is having her first child in two or three weeks, I may be persuaded to journey to your island this fall, (Susan says November maybe.) We could go "Walkabout" for about six months Say Mate?
Entered at Sat Jun 20 17:26:01 CEST 2009 from adsl-68-255-5-83.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Pat BYeah, Steve, quoting Garth can really raise some hackles.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 16:40:58 CEST 2009 from mail82.anonymouse.org (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
BudLocation: the Indoor Garden
Subject: plus ca change...
We have a new junk yard dog around here, these days, stepping up to replace our departed BUMBLES.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 16:00:25 CEST 2009 from cpe-70-92-155-115.wi.res.rr.com (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
So Very Nice to hear from you! A pleasant respite.
As usual Thanks for the Robbie posts.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 15:56:54 CEST 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Friend0Web: My link
Dave,I haven't the time, and I may not have the inclination, or i;d google up more Garth appearances in your vicinity in the last ten years. The fact is, you have had opportunites to see him. Since you did not even know those 2 opportunites existed, I'd prefer to use the time I have now to help you through you crisis a little more. Living with this new knowledge could be a little a difficult for you.
I wonder when became familiar with The Band and Garth's work? Or it is possible that you always knew The Band but only recently learned that The Band was not RR and 4 guys that played what RR told them to play, how and when he told them to play it. Maybe that explains how you blew every chance you had to see Garth perform in the SF vicinity in the last ten years or more.
Hitting The read more extension is necessary to view all of Garth's All Music Bio at the above link.
I don't think All Music's bios are all necessarily complete or even accurate, but i will point out that this bio of Garth contradicts any assertation that he is a local musician.
In my not so humble opinion, for any one to put any sort agenda driven and or self serving ruling on the local or non local musician status of a musician who has accomplished what Garth has, has had the influence Garth has, and has traveled as much as Garth Hudson has is absurd. \Garth and Maud travel plenty for musical purposes and performances, and Garth's sphere of influence is interplanetary.
But getting back to you Dave, To want to see Garth or Levon play is a good desire.
It is possible to see Garth play. Sometimes in this world, peopel get off their tucchas and go to where the mountain is at that moment or going to be. Thinkign that just because SF is the fourth lasrgest metropliatan area in the country (i think that is what you wrote) it would be easy or porfitable for Garth or Levon to appear there and perform, is not necessarily correct thinking. If that is what you think.
But before I run,back to the facts. Dave, you never did say,do you consider either Levon or Garth local musicians?
Entered at Sat Jun 20 14:57:37 CEST 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279400812.dsl.bell.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Last one that I had saved up for sharing.
Dylan and The Band 1974 huuuuge photo.
Can you tell that I especially dig Dylan with The Band and The Band with Dylan?
Entered at Sat Jun 20 14:55:18 CEST 2009 from p4fcae733.dip.t-dialin.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Web: My link
Subject: Make You Feel My Love
When the rain is blowing in your face
And the whole world is on your case
I could offer you a warm embrace
To make you feel my love
When the evening shadows and the stars appear
And there is no one there to dry your tears
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love
I know you haven't made your mind up yet
But I would never do you wrong
I've known it from the moment that we met
No doubt in my mind where you belong
I'd go hungry, I'd go black and blue
I'd go crawling down the avenue
There's nothing that I wouldn't do
To make you feel my love
The storms are raging on the rollin' sea
And on the highway of regret
The winds of change are blowing wild and free
You ain't seen nothing like me yet
I could make you happy, make your dreams come true
Nothing that I wouldn't do
Go to the ends of the earth for you
To make you feel my love
Couldn't have said it better myself, Dylan is a master
Have to google (mobile.de) a new car for my love now. The old one is more than 10 years, at the moment in Germany we get $3.500,- from the government to demolish it in order to help BMW, Mercedes and Porsche through the crisis. A nobel initiative, I love this country.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 14:51:11 CEST 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279400812.dsl.bell.ca (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Artist/Band: Bob Dylan and The Band
Photographer: Omar Newman
Photo ID: ON-3003-001
Just some links I had saved up from before. Apologies to anyone who already posted any of these links.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 14:24:42 CEST 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279400812.dsl.bell.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Dylan: Once Again, It's Alright Ma
Monday January 21, 1974
Entered at Sat Jun 20 14:16:19 CEST 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279400812.dsl.bell.ca (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Willie Dixon & Robbie Robertson - The Seventh Son
Entered at Sat Jun 20 14:13:38 CEST 2009 from bas3-toronto02-1279400812.dsl.bell.ca (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
brown eyed girlWeb: My link
THE SONG ANALYST: “Broken Arrow” Posted by Michael Shorr on November 1st, 2007
"Today we’re going to talk about “melodic rhythm”; it’s used in Robbie Robertson’s song “Broken Arrow.”
"Now in theory, it seems like a flat melody would be boring. But keeping a melody flat does a number of things. For one, there’s a sense of consistency, solidity and strength, and there’s emphasis. In the case of this song, the repetition has a feeling of urgency, of the same message being repeated over and over. And, in fact, the melody is emphasizing the urgency of the lyrics:
Who else is gonna bring you a broken arrow? Who else is gonna bring you a bottle of rain?
Robertson is showing just how strongly he feels about these questions and how important they are by the power of melodic repetition."
Entered at Sat Jun 20 13:37:53 CEST 2009 from 21cust70.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
SteveOK, now that Pat has fessed up to being the instigator of this most recent dust up, I think we can move on.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 10:55:35 CEST 2009 from adsl-75-37-46-24.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Dave HopkinsI'm a fan of the Band and its members. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, the fourth largest metropolis in the USA. I would love for Garth (or Levon, for that matter) to come out here and play a gig. I'm sure there would be plenty of people who would love to see them; the Bay Area's full of lovers of great music. Garth's apparently only played one solo show here in at least ten years or more, plus a Burrito Deluxe gig in Santa Rosa and a couple that are a six-hour drive or more away at the opposite end of the state. Levon hasn't played out here in many years. If I lived in Woodstock I could see them play a lot. All the time. Year after year. Doesn't disrespect anyone, but the facts are the facts. Can we put this to rest?
Entered at Sat Jun 20 10:52:27 CEST 2009 from adsl-75-37-46-24.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Dave HopkinsAs the baby-like tears indeed run down my face, I withdraw my previous post. Apologies.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 06:29:41 CEST 2009 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Friend0Subject: Just the facts are the facts.
Sorry Dave, but i can't resist. I agree, " the facts are the facts".
And speaking for myself, when it gets put to rest, tucked in by correct facts, I'll leave it rest.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 06:07:20 CEST 2009 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Friend0Web: My link
Subject: Dave, you are gonna kick yourself.
Knowing you were not accurate, and then doing two googles and 5 minutes of reading, here are two Garth appearnces in the San Franscisco area that did happen within the last ten years. You did write this regarding Levon and Garth: "I don't know how many years it's been since either has played a show in the vicinity, but easily ten or more."
1) Garth and Maud at Slim's. In San Francisco, June 2004.
2) With Burrito Deluxe Sunday, Dec. 5, 2004. At the Last Day Saloon. 120 Davis St., Santa Rosa. Santa Rosa is pretty close. Davis was about 2 and a half to three hours out of Frisco, Santa Rosa was closer I recall.
Hit the link up there Dave. You gonna cry like a baby. If you scroll down that page you'll read Mark in Sonoma write about the goosebumps he got hearing Garth play accordion.
I;m pretty darn tootin sure if i kept diggin i'd find more Garth appearances in The Frisco area in the last ten years.
but I aint gonna bother. Two is enough. Want to see people when they hit your town, gotta be on your toes. I've got no beef with you, but I do know Garth gets around a lot more than most people realize. And if people paid more attention to what actually does happen, they could possibly get to see him.
All that said, I hope you get to see Garth perform a few more times Dave.
BTW, there were a bunch of LA and San diego area appearances as I recall. Burrito Deluxe, also some Garth and Maud. I think i recall some with Peaches and also a couple with some blues rock guy. Driving from Frisco to LA to see Garth also is not a bad idea. It is a lot closer than Woodstock. I ain't telling you what to do,or what you should have done. Just saying you had more opportunities than you realize. Sept 04, i knew Burrito deluxe wasn't too likely to hit St Louis any time soon, I coulda drove to Chicago to see em, but figured i 'd get a better show in Nashville. So i drove a few hours further than the drive to Chicago woulda been. Turns out, I made the right choice. It was a hot show. Sneaky Pete was on his game, and Garth was spectacular. My reporter in Chicago told me that Sneaky was not having a great night at that Chicago show. When great music beckons, a little schlepping can be very rewarding. Fun too.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 05:29:01 CEST 2009 from h-67-103-65-99-static.lsanca54.covad.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Ben PikeLocation: Cleveland Tx
So, I guess no one has ever heard "Even If It's A Pig?" I think it's time the Band's very own "You Know My Name Look Up The Number" surfaced for all to enjoy. Has anyone heard the Band's opening set at Isle Of Wright?" I do think the Dylan set, which I recently heard in total for the first time, is petty bad. They seemed a little nervous and pretty badly miked. I don't think, even on the worthless boots I had in days of yore, that I ever heard a live take of "We Can Talk." Has anyone ever heard the early "Little Birdies?" "Smoke Signal" and "Volcano" were also done live. There should be, somewhere, a decent live take of "Share Your Love" from the 74 tour. Do you guys know about this CROZ FM guy? He has posted some pretty cool Dylan and Band stuff but I'd like to know if there is more quality 74 tour stuff out there. I'm perfectly capable of droning on and on about this stuff until somebody else says something, as long time posters know.... Oh yeah, on the CROZ thing I got a fairly recent Dylan concert take on "Yea Heavy and a Bottle Of Bread (!)"
Pretty good too!
Entered at Sat Jun 20 05:06:24 CEST 2009 from 188.8.131.52.adsl.snet.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
By the way, Dlew919, thanks for the compliment the other day. I'll take em' however I can get em'. I don't know for sure that I always put things the best way, but occasionally I can manage to be succinct enough to be effective.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 04:59:38 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
bob w.Web: My link
Keeping the theme....
Entered at Sat Jun 20 04:51:42 CEST 2009 from bar-wlan-net-15.airbears.berkeley.edu (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Dave HopkinsI'm a fan of the Band and its members. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, the fourth largest metropolis in the USA. I would love for Garth (or Levon, for that matter) to come out here and play a gig. I'm sure there would be plenty of people who would love to see them; the Bay Area's full of lovers of great music. I don't know how many years it's been since either has played a show in the vicinity, but easily ten or more. If I lived in Woodstock I could see them play a lot. All the time. Year after year. Doesn't disrespect anyone, but the facts are the facts. Can we put this to rest?
Entered at Sat Jun 20 04:43:10 CEST 2009 from mail.weasydney.nsw.edu.au (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
You sound like a member of the People's Front of Judea! Come and join the Judean People's Front!
Entered at Sat Jun 20 04:31:46 CEST 2009 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Friend0Subject: Pat on Garth
Pat : "After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio. "
You might as well be complete Pat.
And once again, "primarily" has nothing to do with it. How many times in a year or a decade would Garth have to leave the upper east coast to perform, be it in the studio or on stage, for you to characterize him as other than a upper east coast musician Pat? Maybe you chose to ignore al the places other than the upper east coast that Garth has performed live, and performed in the studio, but I don't choose to ignore either. even so, there have been more than enough live performances outside the upper east coast that your charcterization is absurd.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 04:02:07 CEST 2009 from adsl-68-255-5-83.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Pat BJeff took "exception". The actual term I used was "east coast local musician", which means he played primarily on the east coast, you know, like NY, PA, VT, NH, Maine, MD, Delaware, VA, DC. Jeff also had some difficulty with "international reputation in the studio" which seems pretty laudatory to most people.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 03:15:26 CEST 2009 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Friend0Subject: Pat on Garth. Norbert, Kevin, you both need to go back and read the thread from the beginning.
Kevon and Norbert, You;ve never read, and you'll never read anything I've written that could in any way be construed as neagtive about Garth.
Pat very clearly characterized Garth as a local musician with an international reputation in the studio. I took exception tot hat. I certainly do appreciate the fact that Pat has returned to portray that facts untruthfully. Thank you Pat.
While trying to support his absurd and incorrect statement Pat also characterized Jimmy Vivino as a local musician. He did not actually write it as a declaration, but via a question to me he did make that point.Jimmy hasn't been a local musician since sometime in the 80s. Besides which, if Jimmy never left LA the entire rest of his career, since the early 90s, Jimmy been performing for the whole world 5 nights a week on TV. Before on Late Night, Now on the Tonight Show. Pat never did answer me or Todd, though we both did answer the issue and ask Pat about that. Just one more time Pat can't admit that he's been wrong. No big deal, like I said, he's consitent and increasingly adept.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 01:46:56 CEST 2009 from 220.127.116.11.adsl.snet.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
ToddDing! I thought it was a Pavlovian conditioning experiment gone awry.
Actually, I thought that there were some good points made, and it's clear that both Jeff and Pat are passionate about The Band....(but not in a weird way). I think it's also clear that, although many of us may have differences of opinion from time to time, most of us would probably get along just fine in the real world. After all, we've all got exquisite taste in music. I don't think that's ever been in question.
Can I get a "Kum Ba Yah"?
Entered at Sat Jun 20 01:37:29 CEST 2009 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: OH YEAH!!!!!
I'm takin' offense at "Everything" everybody is sayin'.......so shut the fuck up.....all-a-yuz!!!!!
Entered at Sat Jun 20 01:34:52 CEST 2009 from adsl-99-145-226-204.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Pat BActually, if you go back and look, it was Steve and Jeff getting mad at something Garth said in a newly posted article at What's New. All I did was note that the article was posted and the tenor of it.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 00:46:03 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
bob w.Somebody better get this straightened out quick. These guys are leaking like sieves.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 00:38:07 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-161-40-47.hvc.res.rr.com (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Larspssst....it was Jeff taking offence at something Pat said about Garth.
Entered at Sat Jun 20 00:29:51 CEST 2009 from p4fcaf417.dip.t-dialin.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Norbertpffff .... It was Pat taking offense at something Jeff said about Garth.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 22:59:09 CEST 2009 from 21cust159.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
SteveKevin, though it was days ago, I think I remember Jeff taking offense at something Pat said about Garth, not the other way around. Maybe you could extend your suggestion to Pat. Just trying to be helpful
Entered at Fri Jun 19 22:52:32 CEST 2009 from bar-wlan-net-129.airbears.berkeley.edu (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Dave HopkinsIt's interesting, given that John Simon has in retrospect minimized his contribution to the Stage Fright album (and was not given production credit, just a "special thanks" on the sleeve), to see the contemporaneous account in the article--according to which he seems involved considerably.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 22:17:59 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279277385.dsl.bell.ca (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Kevin JWhile it was definitely weird – I did find the Pat and Jeff interchanges to be somewhat entertaining…..perhaps Jeff can be recruited to bring back some of the other of the all time great posters….say something bad about the Springsteen Jeff – and perhaps our old favorite from Liverpool will reemerge….or slam Zep and maybe Julie will come back……….Off for a few beers – if I meet a beauty tonight, I’ll remember to not tell her that “in a weird way, I enjoy your passion” or maybe I will…………..
Entered at Fri Jun 19 21:38:49 CEST 2009 from bas4-toronto06-1279277385.dsl.bell.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Bill M: I really enjoy those old newspaper accounts of The Band……always fascinating to see what was being said at the time……John Simon loved “The Rumour”…… Robbie in his oh so interesting take felt that CSN&Y really made music to please an audience rather than please themselves. One starts to realize just how responsible Robbie was in helping to shape the position that rock critics accepted as gospel – that The Band was just so much better and cooler than everyone else…….It Was true but interesting how a spokesmen for any entity can help get a message across. I recall John Fogerty saying years later that he loved the Band and all that but at the time it did bother him that critics felt that they walked on water and gave CCR very little credit because in his view he just was not a very good or interesting interview……….
The Larry Campbell June 11 article from What’s New is interesting in how he answers the Dylan question. Leads one to think that the parting may have left some hurt feelings. The Dylan band has not been nearly as strong live – in my view – since Larry left……anyhow to Levon’s and our benefit I guess….
Mavis Staples and Shemekia Copeland are scheduled to play at the Tremblant Blues Fest in July. Perhaps some of our Montreal regulars will attend….
Entered at Fri Jun 19 21:09:32 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
There are probably a whole bunch of people out in front of the plant breathing deeply. :)
Entered at Fri Jun 19 19:48:52 CEST 2009 from 196.sub-75-250-215.myvzw.com (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
ClaireWeb: My link
Subject: Green energy
I wonder what effect the second-hand smoke will have.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 19:16:26 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Bill MLocation: http://theband.hiof.no/articles/a_recent_encounter_with_robbie_robertson.html
Subject: if there's nothing else to talk about ...
... how about the aged article in "What's New" (see link). All sorts of interesting stuff - the Band and "Zabriskie Point", the Band and "Ned Kelly", the Band and "Easy Rider", the Band and "Zachariah", Neil Young being willing to take over for Robbie, Robbie putting forward Van Morrison's name, the just-in-timeliness of "Just Another Whistle Stop" ...
Entered at Fri Jun 19 18:21:47 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
JoanSubject: Mike Nomad
Same thought at the same time.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 18:19:43 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
JoanSubject: Friendo/ Pat B
I know this is probably a futile request but here goes anyway. Jeff and Pat, could you please take this argument private. I don't know about anyone else, but I've had enough.
Lars, do they come with maple syrup (for sure a Band connection)? Canadian maple syrup.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 18:18:56 CEST 2009 from bas6-london14-1088923245.dsl.bell.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Mike NomadSuggestion to Pat 'n' Jeff: Hey, get a motel room already!!
Entered at Fri Jun 19 15:07:09 CEST 2009 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
abbySubject: night moves
What an excellent idea, Landsome. I will take the old man tomorrow nite and it will be a birthday, fathers day and anniversary gift all rolled up in a nice little bundle of horse shit! Such a plan. Thank you for the tip, Landy.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 14:56:09 CEST 2009 from 21cust21.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
SteveToo bad they're closing Gitmo, $1.9 mil doesn't sound like a serious enough deterrent. Waterboarding and thumbscrews may make her reveal who else is involved. I'm willing to bet more are involved that just this one woman. Conspiring with others to download should also be a crime.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 13:55:46 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
bob w,Web: My link
For what it's worth.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 13:22:48 CEST 2009 from blk-222-220-73.eastlink.ca (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
joe jSubject: Today's Trivia
Apologies if I've already posted this one. Short term memory is startin to go.
Who can identify the Canadian singer-songwriter who turned one hundred earlier this year? The ultimate road warrior. Because of his longevity and the size of the audiences this gentleman may have sung before more people than anyone else. Ever.
Good news is that I've got tickets for Marty Stuart on my birthday. Bad news is I have to work the bar for a Rex Goudie (local Idol performer) concert the following week. Oh well, proceeds are for a worthy cause to be determined later.
Have a great weekend all.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 12:31:41 CEST 2009 from 21cust236.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
SteveHey, DOWN IN FRONT, and no one eats til this is over. The last thing we need is everyone chewing and drowning out the sound track.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 07:43:28 CEST 2009 from sannin29137.nirai.ne.jp (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Lars, I could go for a nice stack (or two) right now!
Entered at Fri Jun 19 07:15:18 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-161-40-47.hvc.res.rr.com (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
LarsLocation: The murky woods of Ulster County
Subject: The Iron Men
Say....who else could go for some flapjacks right about now? It'll help keep up your strength.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 06:01:13 CEST 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Friend0Pat: "I write exactly what I think."
Which is the point I have been writing about for many years now. More frequently these last two, very frequenty the last couple months, most frequently the last few days. As I wrote, there is no error in your writing. Everything reads exactly how you want it to read.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 05:47:46 CEST 2009 from adsl-76-202-232-13.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Pat BNo, Jeff, what you write is circular and obtuse. I write exactly what I think.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 05:35:15 CEST 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Friend0Pat. No error of your ways to show. No error. You were the cpatain of your high school debating team, were you not? BEG reminded us about that a few years back. You are a published civil war historian, are you not? It is reasonable to expect that with your expertise and your superior command of the english language, that nothing you write is in error. When i conduct seminars on your writing, it is a kinda like a instructional video for aspiring Republican politicians.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 04:50:05 CEST 2009 from adsl-76-202-232-13.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Pat BHonestly, Jeff, I can't understand anything you write anymore. You're capable of insulting people then arguing for hours that it wasn't an insult. And your continual reference to "showing the folks" the error of my ways speaks for itself.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 03:12:02 CEST 2009 from modemcable048.1-200-24.mc.videotron.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Abby, will you be attending the first night racing card ever at Churchill Downs tomorrow night?
Entered at Fri Jun 19 02:17:13 CEST 2009 from 21cust164.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
SteveAbbs, I've always found your sense of humour to be spot on. You've got the touch.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 02:09:15 CEST 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Friend0Pat. You are too much. Just can't argue straight, can you? Of curse, this is nonsense, but here goes. Just to show the folks how good you are at this.
Two posts back you wrote:" Jeff, in a weird way I really enjoy your passion. I do think it's underlined by a defensiveness for the four guys who chose to resuscitate The Band in 1983."
In repsonse to the first sentence I wrote: " It's nice you can enjoy that I am passionate about The Band. But sad that you have to view your enjoyment of that as weird and my actual appreciation and love as defensiveness for the guys who resusitated The Band.And you miss the fact that I loved RRs contributions."
To which you responded:"Weird..." is easy to explain. This is weirdly interesting, even with all your cheapshots. I certainly don't find your love of the group weird. Sorry you misunderstood."
First, I didn't question yor use of the word weird. I commented on it. Your response, though you do not say I questioned, intimates I questioned. But of course, it doesn't have to intimate that either. So you are walking the line there. Then you say thet "I certainly don't find your love of the group weird. Sorry you misunderstood." Well, you know i didn't write that I thought you thought that my love of the group was weird. What i wrote was plain, starightforward and was something completely different. But, as usual, since you can't argue the points to your favor, you misrepresent the facts of the argument. And the meat of the argument I made on that subject i began in the quote, you completely avoid.
Like I said, you are amazingly consistent and getting increasingly adept. I expect soon you'll be running for pubic office.
Entered at Fri Jun 19 00:33:05 CEST 2009 from h-67-103-65-99-static.lsanca54.covad.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Ben PikeLocation: Cleveland Tx
yeah, "Million Dollar Bash" does a great job of putting the sessions into a historic perspective with logical speculation as to what Dylan was thinking at the time. As someone who has actually suffered through a screening of the painful "You Are What You Eat", it was interesting to find out that it actually served a pretty important purpose in making the sessions possible. I thought the book gives Garth some overdue credit the way "Across The Great Divide" reminded the world of Richard's contribution. Again, has anybody even HEARD "Even if It's a Pig?" How about a bootleg with "Little Birdies?"
The kid who opened for Prine was likable but I thought kinda forgettable. He has a sort of known song called "Kathleen."
Entered at Fri Jun 19 00:10:12 CEST 2009 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
old abbyBout time, son
Entered at Thu Jun 18 23:43:13 CEST 2009 from 21cust114.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
SteveSubject: Jeff and Pat
The scab was picked off but I think we're at the point where the healing has started. Feels good eh, that kind of itchy feeling without the pain. Hey OLD ABBY, I just may get myself a Danko or Helm shirt.
Entered at Thu Jun 18 23:14:30 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-59-30-136.twcny.res.rr.com (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Bashful BillLocation: Minoa, NY
Subject: Ben Pike
I think I'm getting Million Dollar Bash for Father's Day,but no problem if I dont, as I have a $25 gift card ftom Barnes&Noble for being such a good credit card customer&I'll get it myself if need be. On a lighter literary note I'm currently reading that 33 1/3 "faction" book which is allegedly about the making of Big Pink. The guy took the Hoskyns approach of poaching interviews&articles & taking bits&pieces of info&anecdotes - all of which are wellknown to the Band diehards around here - & incorporating it into the "story"(quote marks mean this story is purely fiction about real people while Hoskyns' isn't but he still tells a story in his books). Its a fast read- I read about 3/4 of it inafew hours the other day, a bit more on the throne this AM, & should have it finished when I have a free half hour or so. Aside from it being a lurid story told from the point of view of a real sleazy type, my main beef is that ther'e precious little on the making of the album, which was supposedly the hook of this faction series(at least thats what I thought when it hit a couple years back). The narrator hangs with some of the guys in The Band - not named The Band yet, of course - off&on over a couple year period along with everyone else in that scene of the time&scores an advance copy of the album&he waxes eloquently on how it blew his mind&of course changed the world when it became public. There's one single scene in which he gets into the NYC studio where they're working on it & encounters Garth&John Simon actually working on Chest Fever but other than that there's zilch re the making of the album itself. I'm curious as to whether anyone read any of the others in the 33 1/3 series, & if they deal with the actual making of the albums? Anyway, I'll finally be reading Griffin's book soon&am looking forward to it.......
Entered at Thu Jun 18 19:41:35 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Pat BJeff, just two things. When they played TLW in 76, we the die-hards did think it was over. When they came back we were overjoyed. I was privileged to see them in October of 83 twice in one weekend on The Band is Back tour--I also did the radio spots for Chicago and the midwest. As noted elsewhere, I was lucky enough before that tour to open for Levon and Rick and spent an epic evening with them. From that point on, by my own reckoning (Bill M), I saw various versions of the group and solo/duo performances almost 20 times. I've said many times that the Rick/Richard show that I saw twice at the Cubby Bear was profound both were unleashed by the constrictions of the group's setlist and did Band songs I had rarely heard live--Unfaithful Servant, The Rumor being two. So I suppose I do have perspective, a perspective that includes seeing th OQ five times. And to be honest, I don't think they ever came close to the first two times, although the Dylan 74 tour was deep for a lot of reasons.
"Weird..." is easy to explain. This is weirdly interesting, even with all your cheapshots. I certainly don't find your love of the group weird. Sorry you misunderstood.
Entered at Thu Jun 18 19:28:53 CEST 2009 from a66389.education.louisville.edu (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
abbyBeing out and about wearing one of my Levon Helm t-shirts or even my Rick Danko t-shirts always seems to result in a pleasant conversation with a previously unknown fellow human-being, which results in a reminder that this is indeed a big, old sweet world. Band fans. They're everywhere. Nice people too.
Entered at Thu Jun 18 16:34:36 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
bob w.Subject: What's New?
Yesterday's What's New? link "Live review: John Prine, Levon Helm @ Red Rocks Amphitheatre" offers a pretty sketchy review of the show but contains some fantastic photographs of the performers.
Entered at Thu Jun 18 14:59:59 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
bob w.Pat, I meant to say thanks for the Ventures clip. Enjoyed it. Bob Bogle was a terrific player.
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Friend0Pat, you have more answers coming, tomorrow or the next day. Now, all I have time to answer at all is that after almost seven years of my posts you still try to portray my appreciation for the work and contributions of Garth, Levon , Rick, & Richard as tied to the fact that they resusicitated The Band. That's pretty weak and ignores the heart if what I have written about at length. It's sad and unfortunate that you can't get yourself to validate the great music that The 80s and 90s Band was able to perform, the meaning that had, and the beauty that that Band lent to people's lives as real.
"Jeff, in a weird way I really enjoy your passion. I do think it's underlined by a defensiveness for the four guys who chose to resuscitate The Band in 1983." It's nice you can enjoy that I am passionate about The Band. But sad that you have to view your enjoyment of that as weird and my actual appreciation and love as defensiveness for the guys who resusitated The Band.And you miss the fact that I loved RRs contributions.
My appreciation for Garth, Rick, Richard and Levon is an appreciation of them for probably everything musical they did since they & RR joined The Hawks, including they & RR becoming The Band, including resucitating The Band, and including all their solo efforts. And because of my love ansd appreciation for the whole of The Band's efforts, I have a willingness to argue with anyone who attempts to deny, denigrate,and devalue the muscial accomplishments and worthiness of the post Last Waltz Band and it's members simply beacuse they can't find it in themsleves to value what they did as the 80s and 90s band.
You may chosse to consider TLW the end of The Band, because you loved them for eight years.And thought they were The Best Band In The world. I understand that. I don't have to agree with thinking it was the end of The Band. Others, including me, loved them too, but don't feel The Band ended when you feel they did. I won't argue that the OQ weren't the best band in the world. If they weren't, they were one of them. No other "rock band" came close, but there were jazz and blues bands to hold league with them. But bands change. And can still be great.Can still be otherwordly. Still deliver beauty and magic. And people still enjoy them and appreciate that.. I don't care that you personally haven't been able to find enough enjoyment in the work and performance of the 80s and 90s Band to be able to be complimentary towards them. But I do think that your endless portrayal of the 80s and 90s band as practically impostors of the OQ is a drag.They were different. It is unfortunate that you couldn't find things to be complimentary about in the 80s and nineties band. And I think it unfortuante that though you announced you were goign to see Levon play in CHicgao, you haven't been able to find it in yoruslef to say anything about Levon's performance. Almost a week has passed. Was it that bad that you can't get yourself to talk about it?
I can relate to your disappointment when the Last waltz was announced.But because that happened, doesn't mean The Band ended. I loved The Band too. I was busted up too.And I knwo how rare it is to achieve the kind of beauty that Big Pink and Brown did. And I know how rare it is to get 5 guys to be able to perform to the levels The Band did. That is why I was so fucking happy when i was able to see Danko in Davis, not long after, and why i was so happy when they reunited. And why I was so ahppy when the 80s and 90s Band did dleive that kind of beauty and magic. Yes, it did happen Pat. It was not unattainable. There were times. And aside form Bannd shows too. No, things coudlnlt have exactly been the same, but guwess what. Had RR not wanted to bail, and had there never been TLW things would have been different too. The Band would have changed other ways. There were times of amazing beauty Pat. And . And wiht not even a handful of exceotions, i was always happy i saw ny of them perform. Anywhere, with anyone, for any reason. And always Somwhere along the line, there were always sounds that shook me to my core.Sounds that noone else coudl ever deliver. Most of the time, there were plenty of those sounds.As you know, I have a picky, uppity, ear. My ear don't accept substitutes. If a show sucks, I;ll say so. If a show is great, or has greatnes in it, I'll say so.
When Furay left Poco I was devastated. And Poco becaame a very different band. With the exceoption of Cotton,The songwriting changed and the singing changed alot too. and Then schmidt left and the singign changed even more. But lo and behold, they kept surprising me. With all the changes, I still always found songs and prrformances I loved. And though the shows eventually became increasibgly different ( we are talkign about from 1973 till now mind you) , there were always plenty of great moments in a show. Even today. I;m glad Poco didnt fold it's cards when Furay left and that tehy are still going. And I'm glad The Band picked up the pieces too. You may be stuck in time, and you may not be able to appreciate it, but the necesity for you and others to try to indoctrinate the idea that The 80s and 90s Band wasn't worthy of the name The Band, has been very wrong.And The inability to take what they offered to heart,enjoy it, cherish it and be nurtured by it, has cost you.Maybe you never caught a great 80s or 90s Band show in Chicago. If that is the case, i can understand a little more, but still , then your long held positions can only be seen as your refusal to respect others reports of great shows as real. That would be wrong and condescending Of course, just like you wrote what you do think, this is all just what I think and you can think it's bullshit if you like.
Entered at Thu Jun 18 05:21:12 CEST 2009 from adsl-76-202-242-235.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Pat B"It sure is a good thing some one shut off that microphone. Other wise all those years of performing that Levon, Garth, Rick, & Richard did post Last waltz might haver been negated. The damage may have been irreparable." Jeff, in your world this isn't an insult? I'm somehow being untruthful by considering this an insult?
Since you swung and missed, my point about TLW and the recent Levon show was to demonstrate how young fans regard the movie, which is extremely positively in a near religious sense. In that way it was perfectly relevant. To be honest, I don't feel the need to interview people about their feelings for the group.
Finally, was there some component in your beseeching of Sebastian and his dad to embarrass me? I'm honored you'd think it so important that you tried to go to the top.
Jeff, in a weird way I really enjoy your passion. I do think it's underlined by a defensiveness for the four guys who chose to resuscitate The Band in 1983. What you may miss is that, for some of us, TLW represented an end to a group we knew and loved for eight years. Remember too that we embraced this group that also had helped create the bootlegs of RAH and the Basement Tapes, both of which were circulating in the late 60's-early 70's. I mean, that's some important shit right there. Sitting around in the high school cafeteria discussing BP and the Brown album as huge works of art. Seeing them in 1969 redefine what a rock group was supposed to sound like, a chamber group balance of nuance, electricity, voices. And Garth at the Lowrey. Whew. Anyway, what I'm trying to describe is simple. When they announced the LW and played SNL, I cried like a baby. When I went to the movie I cried like a baby, especially Dixie. I had seen and loved the best band in the world, The Band.
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Friend0Web: My link
Paid music blogger request. Might ring a few bells.
Entered at Thu Jun 18 05:02:06 CEST 2009 from pool-138-88-143-236.esr.east.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Jan F.Location: metro D.C.
Subject: Levon on PBS
This just in from my source at GPTV, the PBS station in ATL: The Levon Helm Band will be part of the August Pledge "package." This doesn't mean every market will show Levon's portion of the show . . . but if you are interested, you can call and ask -- request it if they say they aren't planning on showing it. Now, if you do this, please also be prepared to give to the "cause." PBS, like a lot of other non-profits, etc., is doing very poorly in this economy. Wouldn't hurt to ante up a few bucks.
Entered at Thu Jun 18 04:13:29 CEST 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Friend0Brien,it doesn't matter , Indoor , outdoors, 21 or 50, privacy is a nice thing, fresh or conditioned air aside.
I was hoping you'd show the lady that respect.
The way you structured your choice of words called that into question.
Regarding Monty Python, i don't think i ever watched one routine. No shite. Whilst i never had a problem understanding any caribbean accent, puerto rican , mexican israeli, polish, russian, chinese, paki, indian, dominican, all the other hispanic and a variety of other accents i was regularly exposed to growing up here, I never could get those accents the monthy python guys sported. Just hearing a few of those words, and i was out of contention. flipping channels or leaving the room.
the Beatles, I never had trouble understanding what they were saying.
Entered at Thu Jun 18 03:44:27 CEST 2009 from cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Friend0Subject: Beseech Yourself
Let us look at this last post of yours Pat:
I must say, you are getting increasingly adept at writing these long sentence paragraphs that could mean this, and could mean that. Recently, when I responded to them, your response to me was something ending with …then “ I can’t help you”. Now you just incorporate the “ I can’t help you” up front. It is a pretty infantile attempt at an insult, but if you need to stoop that low, go right at it.
The way you wrote that sentence, it really is a trick- tease type thing. The only thing that that sentence actually does convert to , regarding Robbie being the centerpiece having a profound effect on how the group is viewed now, is actually pretty accurate. More and more people are wising to the fact that Robbie wasn’t actually the centerpiece of The Band, and that The Band wasn’t he and four other guys who played and sang how and what he wanted , when he indicated they should. More and more people have come to realize that in The Last Waltz Robbie has the most film space not because he was the only one worthy of all that time, or because it was his band, but because he and Marty locked themselves in a house, coked themselves up for a year or two, and edited it themselves. And because that is how Robbie & Marty (& the coke) wanted it to look.
Pat: “Since we're commenting on recent experiences, I sat six row center at Levon's show a week ago, and talked to a bunch of young musicians and some old-timers around me. They all mentioned the Last Waltz, some of them with religious enthusiasm, and two of the musos were particularly excited that Howard Johnson would be playing that night, since he had also performed at the Waltz. When I mentioned that he was also a part of RoA, they got even more jacked.” Pat, as usual you use both unrelevant and irrelevant data to answer a point. And you hope people will not notice. Young musicians and old timers at a Levon Helm band performance. Well Pat, that is a a rather limited group study Talk to musicians( regardless of age) and old timers at a Levon Helm Band concert, and it is 99.9999% reasonable to expect them to be familiar with TLW. I talk about The Band with young musicians, old timers, old musicians, young and old accountants, young and old lawyers, young and old doctors, plumbers, seamstresses, nurses, transit workers, photographers, sanitation workers, Verizon wireless installers, exterminators, cops, on and on. Today I talked music with a couple, both the man and woman worked for U.S Customs at the airport here.. Both were in their twenties, neither had heard of The Band, TLW, or knew the songs. A few weeks ago I spoke with a married couple in their forties about music. The woman is an online home based customer service rep for a co that sells cllasical music on line. I forget what the husband does, but it is a well paying career. Both husband and wife are musicians. The wife is a classicaly trained in flute, the husband plays guitar and keys, and is in a local band. Gave me his cds. They had a houseful of instruments and a great bassett hound. Both husband and wife knew the Band, The Last Waltz, and about Rambles. It is not unreasonable to hope that you talk about The Band with people that are not young musicians and old timers at Levon Helm performances, but if you do, you conveniently left them out of the points you made. Once again Pat, I really could care less. But I do like to let the readers see how you conduct your arguments.
What we just discussed really don’t mean a lot. The manner in which you argue, really does inform people though.
Pat, yet again: “On another note, some advice for you, Jeff. Don't beseech Sebastian to forward an inquiry of yours to his father one day then maliciously insult his dad the next. It's bad form. “
Number one, I never beseeched. I asked, very matter of factly. You can write beseech all you want. I asked Sebastian to ask his father a question. A question which when the context is considered, is probably embarassing to you.
I do marvel at the consistency with which you become increasingly adeptly and aggressively untruthful.
All that other stuff said, I do have tremendous respect Robbie for all the great music he has been a part of making, for his being a contributing member to one of the greatest musical groups of all time, and am thankful for the efforts that he as made that have contributed to the enrichment of my life. And regarding TLW, I'm glad we have it. I do believe it's been important in The Band's popularity,to varying degrees at different times, and as I have written, as time wore on, to a large part throughoutt the 80s, 90s and in this century, with the aid of the peforming members of The Band it has helped keep the Band alive, but I also believe that as great as it is as a document, it could have actaully done a lot more for The Band had it been made or tweaked differently. Some of you guys like to talk about Band mismanagement. IMO,aspects of TLW are a good example of Band mismanagment. But then again, noone is perfect, and noone should be expected to be perfect.
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Jan F.Location: metro D.C.
Hey Ben Pike! Who opened for John Prine when you saw him? Trying to find someone who saw JP w/Steve Earle opening. Anyone see one of those shows?
Entered at Thu Jun 18 02:11:09 CEST 2009 from rrcs-76-79-75-218.west.biz.rr.com (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Ben PikeLocation: Cleveland Tx
Sid Griffin's "Million Dollar Bash" is really great ( I love the Marcus
book too) and has got me all Basement tapy again. It's a must.
Two notes on singing: I've been listening to a bootleg of early
Joni Mitchell. Her talent is obviously huge, but She was still singing
in that Ian and Sylvia, operetta style most female folkies used at the
time. Her switch to a more conversational style pretty much defines
the folk to pop crossover. Joan Beaz never made the leap, and my
theory is thats while She still drives a lot of people crazy.
Peter V has often opined that Richard Thompson's singing
is flawed by forced accents which made it impossible for him to warm
to his fellow brit. I think the answer may be simpler. I recently
download Fairport's "Poor Will and The Jolly Hangman." Pretty good
Fairporty Fairport song, and early Thompson vocal. His performance,
alas, is simply terrible and they should have made him practice and do
it again. Some of his work on his first solo isn't a lot better.
Though it never caught up to his playing and writing, Thompson's vocals
would get better over the years, much more confident. On some of the
ballads his singing could can be quite good, naked, and even original
in style. There is a great vid of Fairport doing "Now Be Thankful" on
Youtube, with Rich in the background where he belonged.
Listening to the Band's King Biscut show, from the last tour, is really
satisfying, although Richard's voice was not in top form and strained to
put over "Tears Of Rage." The site lists the sound quality of the Hollywood Bowl
Show as Very Good +. Could there be another tape of it? I had that thing
back it the day and it blew. I'm trying to get "Even if it's a Pig" and
the highly touted Lennex Ma show (once had it on tape) on a CD. If
anyone has any suggestions for finding places where people trade such
things please let me know. Hope that's not a personal message.
Saw John Prine the other night, my first concert in years. Better
than ever with a great three piece, Elvis style combo.
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JoanSubject: Sad News
To all the Long Island folks, The IMAC Theater in Huntington has closed for good.. A Sad loss for the music scene.
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NorbertSubject: Burt Munro
Steve, thanks for the words, a great guy indeed.
Entered at Wed Jun 17 21:30:24 CEST 2009 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
DebWeb: My link
The Library of Congress released the 2009 additions to the National Recording Registry. It's kind of interesting to see the what's on this year's list.
In addition to Winston Churchill's "iron curtain" speech, a 1943 radio program with Zora Neale Hurston, and Marian Anderson's concert from the Lincoln Memorial, Link Wray's "Rumble", Ralph Stanley's "Rank Stranger", Etta James's "At Last", John Lee Hooker's "Boogie Chillen", and the Who's first album are included.
Here's explanation of the Registry from the press release: "Under the terms of the National Recording Preservation Act of 2000, the Librarian, with advice from the Library’s National Recording Preservation Board (NRPB), is tasked with selecting 25 recordings that are "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant," and are at least 10 years old. The selections for 2008 bring the total number of recordings in the registry to 275."
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LarsLocation: The Woods
Subject: The end of an era
NORM- I'm right here, trying to get ready for another 2" of rain tonight and tomorrow. I hope the weatherman is wrong, the ground is saturated and another heavy rain could lead to problems.
You know, the west coast of Norway gets a lot of rain. I don't think the island of Stord (where I visit from time to time) ever gets a week without rain. Nantucket, on the other hand, seems to have cool, dry summers.
But I digress. Monty Python. A kick in the ass for sure. The trouble is we've been rehashing all of their gags for years now. One time we had everybody arguing about how hard their childhood was. The next post would start with "LUXURY!" Kind of makes you grateful for the little things in life.
I saw that interview yesterday between John Harwood and our president. Obama's got the killer instict, all right. Nailed that fly with a right hand. The camera showed the lifeless body on the carpet and it was the same fly who went after Garth. Little bastard had it coming.
Well Norm, lunch break is over. Got some repairs to finish.
How long have you got before you have to go out again?
Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:51:01 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
That was exactly my thought when I saw that. Also, the Seven Samurai.
Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:32:45 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Bill MJoan: Thanks for your kindly post. I tell myself that mine are several grades above those of my father and father-in-law, both of whose were/are exceptionally tiresome. But I know I'm lying.
Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:24:43 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
David P.Web: My link
Subject: Swatting Flies
Speaking of The Last Waltz -- Was President Obama doing an imitation of Robbie Robertson yesterday when he swatted a fly during an interview?
Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:20:59 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Bill M: Very clever, I'm married to an incessant "punster". I have put him on a Lifetime pun ban. but it doesn't help. :)
Entered at Wed Jun 17 19:19:21 CEST 2009 from ool-4574050e.dyn.optonline.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
RaySubject: Electric Dirt
I just pre-ordered Electric Dirt from Amazon and I have to say that I think it's really fantastic and inspiring that Levon has had such a resurgence in the last 6 or 7 years. He's doing great things and it really does a heart good. I can't wait to get my hands on some more Dirt! I'm kind of jonesin' to get to a Ramble even though I went one early this year. I can only justify getting to one a year because of the price, however, I feel a rationalization coming on that'll probably trample all over the above mentioned justification.
Entered at Wed Jun 17 18:19:53 CEST 2009 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: Back to Monty Python Again?
Lars!!! Are you here?? Lets get the kid from down under goin' again.
The scene in the bleachers @ the colosium, when the christian is running around with a gladiator chasing him, (who has a cardiac). Discussing the Jewdia Liberation Front.
"I want to have a baby!" "Fuck off! Are you crazy? men don't have babies!"......."Well why not? It should be our right!" "Havin' a baby....blood 'ell you've lost your mind."
Entered at Wed Jun 17 18:13:35 CEST 2009 from adsl-68-255-4-99.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Pat BWeb: My link
bob w, I'm sure you've perused Youtube for Ventures stuff, but this is particularly good.
The Band played Chicago in April of 1986, about a month after Richard passed. The Park West, about 800 seats. Blondie Chaplin sat in.
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Pat BJeff, if you think being the centerpiece in a major motion picture by Marty Scorsese that includes some of the biggest influences on music, a movie that has been seen--and continues to be seen--by millions of people, a movie that continues to earn plaudits over 30 years later as one of the greatest--if not the greatest--rock movie of all time, if you think that hasn't had a profound effect on how the group is viewed now, I can't help you.
Since we're commenting on recent experiences, I sat six row center at Levon's show a week ago, and talked to a bunch of young musicians and some old-timers around me. They all mentioned the Last Waltz, some of them with religious enthusiasm, and two of the musos were particularly excited that Howard Johnson would be playing that night, since he had also performed at the Waltz. When I mentioned that he was also a part of RoA, they got even more jacked.
On another note, some advice for you, Jeff. Don't beseech Sebastian to forward an inquiry of yours to his father one day then maliciously insult his dad the next. It's bad form.
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Brien SzFriendo - you've obviously have forgotten what 21 was about. It was spring, the party was outdoors and indoors - does it matter at 21.
I called it existential because, besides getting through that cryptic spelling and having lost my rosetta stone, it seemed you rambled on into an arena that went beyond basic instinct and compassion when you could have said that at the outset - short and simple. I know you like needling and gets you all in a stupor - that's why i continue to do the Monty Python Pointed Stick routine here today.
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bob w.Undo pun-ishment, eh Norm?
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: Time Has Come Today!
Fits his cup to a T???? GAWD, GAWD, GAWD!!!
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Friend0Thoughts of existential suffering? Brien. What I was discusssing is called human instinct, compassion, and loyalty. I don't even know what existential suffering means now.
I was 27 or 28 at that time. With the same instincts i had when i was 20 or 21.
Chick is spelled chick. I think Chic was a band Nile Rodgers was in.
Getting laid at a party? I hope, for the girl's sake, that if you did meet one who was game, that you were gentlemanly enough to pop for a motel, as opposed to just locking the bathroom door or using a corner of a crowded room at a the party.It was april, at the latest may, not yet exactly outdoor sporting weather if i recall.
good day everyone
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Bill MWeb: My link
Subject: Go Down Moses
Most of the way through an article on Camille Paglia's talk last night in Toronto (see link) is a bit where she talks about her shock when teaching the lyrics to "Go Down Moses" to her undergraduate class. She's shocked not at what the students think "go down" might mean but at the fact that they don't even know who Moses was. I guess a familiarity with Miss Moses is out of the question altogether.
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Bill MIf there's a god, may I ask that the My Favourite Dictionary string be smited ASAP.
Joan: From the evidence, while 'grey' might not have given you paws, it did the fox.
Steve: Would you agree that Earl Grey's name suits his cup to a T? Anyway, decent yardage on that rush. Just two yards to go but, given our rules, just two downs left to do it in.
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Brien SzBesides - on that show, we had no tickets. We paid off some guys working the side entrance and then spent the night roaming around - the place was sold out. I remember that we just kept going around because the ushers/bouncers, kept telling us we couldn't just stand in a spot - so before they could ask us for tickets, we just moved on.
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Brien SzFriendo - good for you for staying but I remember at the time there was also a party to go to afterwards and there were going to be a lot of 'chic's' there - so we figured let's get this going a little earlier than expected. Those thoughts of existential suffering and such don't play the part in a 20/21 year old kid thinking that he's going to get laid at a party.
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Friend0Okay, now that I' only tired and ot exahusted, yes, music is made by people, and people present music. Music is personal, I've always said it. There is very little in life that compares to unique musicians performing their unique songs well. When it was The Band and Band songs, when it was The Band members performing Band songs, it did more to personalize Band music to people than anything else could. Getting em to a show, other factors came into play, maybe even including someone else who took em to a show, maybe cause they were taken to a show. I used to take everyone i could to see The Band and Rick, Levon.Rick & Richard. . And they took other people. I never took anyone to see them who did not immediatley become inflicted , well there was one woman. Those sounds that The Band made, when they were on, and when you could see them onstage performingthose songs, nothing preserved and promoted The Band to less than previously fanatic people as much as that. For all the negative comments made here over the years about them not performing in larger halls, well, that cuts two ways. More people got to SEE them well, and interact with them, not just hear them. Aside form all the talk about mismangaemnt and lesser incomes, maybe that is part of how theywanted it. I dunno. I susoect they woudl have liek to play more miedium sized halls, for the bigger pay days, but there wer alot of those gigs. And clubs liek The Ritz, were pretty good sized. even the Lone Star Roadhouse, was a good sized gig.
And the sound is different too. which is not to say you can't have bad sound in a smaller venue or club. But it will usually be a mor eintitmate expoerience in a less than big hall.
t the 80s 90s band were missionar
ies of sorts, not to romanticize or anything like that. BUt I was there, and i'm talking serious multiple dozen repeat offender. I saw what The Band meant to people, how their music effected people, spoke to people every show I went to. And there were always people who were on cloud 9, before and after the show. The only bad performance i ever saw was the first time they returned to the stage in the home area at The Capitol Theatre in Jersey. Possibly very likely the same show Brien was at. I don't recall the other acts but Gregg & Dickey sound about right,
sound feasible. Blondie Chaplin was with
them, they were all Zombie like including Blondie. This was a show where the tickets were sold before Richard died. The Band were troopers, and they were suffering. Had to be suffering, anyone with a brain knew that going in. But we were suffering too, and since they were trying to hold up their end of the bargain,anmd trying to meet obnligastions that obviosuly went beyond their own incomes,
since they were mournign the loss of their brother and our uncle, and that is what those guys were to all of us who they raised, the only thing to do was be there and suffer and mourn with them, try to give back somethign they been giving us for a logn goddamn time. Its' an odd thing, but if they had to be there, it was right to be there with them. No the msuic wasn't right,but it coudlntl be, and music is a living thing. Dying is part of living, sickeness is part of living. It's goign to sometimes reflect in music. sometimes music heals, sometimes it has a fever, soemtimes it has a
broken heart that isn't yet ready to express it self.I was a about 8 to 10 rows back from the stage. Being there was and had to be akin to being at a limb amputation but you don't leave your friend at that time.
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bob w.Web: My link
Subject: Artificial Hip Check
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day.
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dlew919Subject: Never seen the Band live
Like Todd, I'm too young. And because I'm an ignoramus, I didn't discover them till after Rick had passed... As always, Todd put it best - I never thoght of TLW as a 'Time Capsule', but it is, really, isn't it. Great film though.
Great reading reminiscences, though. Fantastic stuff.
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Coffee AlLocation: North Fork East End long Island
Reading the posts on seeing the Band-First time Woodstock 1969-We all went to see the Dead and Joplin. Lucky to check out the group called the Band-Liked them the first time i heard there sound. Really didn't know what to call it-Blue Grass? Country? Really not that good of a show-as i remember they seemed out of place-the Dead sucked!!! Got drafted in Sept 1969 and Vietnam bound i was. Next time caught the Band ,i was a student at NYU and caught the Central Park shows,think it was 1971-Great Shows!!! Since then have been a big Band fan. Didn't follow them that much afterwards,got on with life and others sounds of the 70's. Not until the Dylan Tribute show at the garden did i get back to the Band sound. Been to 2 Rambles and the Beacon shows-good to see levon back in form.
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Brien SzI was fortunate enough to see the reconstituted Band with Richard 3 times. It was a great pleasure to experience that. The best of the shows was a summer outdoors concert at Caldwell College - Bonnie Rait opened. I was a touch too young to see the OQ but at the time I had not heard of them. In fact, I didn't get into the Band until around 81, 82. So being able to see them was terrific in their own right. At the time, I didn't really realize who wrote what and didn't know much about the history of them - so when they toured, missing Robbie stunk but since he didn't sing really, it wasn't like the songs were going to be all that much difference. The Cate Brothers toured early on in those shows and the guitarist seemed to fit in with the sound just fine - though I always thought they were poor users of the stage- as they always seemed very cramped together. As I learned more about RR's role in the band that's when I was able to appreciate the soul he had brought to the material.
After Richard passed is when I was more in tuned to them and what the Band had meant to the history of Rock-n-Roll - remember this is well before the internet and getting info was not as easy as it is today. After Richard, I saw the Band play at the Capital Theatre in Passaic NJ with the Dickey Betts Band and the Greg Allman Band and then the two went on stage together and were great - the Band headlined (this being a month after Richard's passing) and were terrible - we walked out about 2/3 of the show - couldn't have that be a part of my experience. I didn't see the Band then for a few years. But when I did return to them, they always put on a great show. Saw them open for CSN once where Clarence Clemmons sat in for a few songs. I saw them once where Max Weinberg sat in for a few songs as well. Had the great opportunity to see them at Carniege Hall - one of the best shows I had the pleasure to experience. In all I saw the Band play about 9 or 10 times not including Rick and Levon solo shows. Great stuff to have witnessed over the years.
Entered at Wed Jun 17 07:53:01 CEST 2009 from 76.adsl.snet.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Subject: The Band Experience
As someone who was too young to experience The Band the first time around, they had always felt like something from the past to me when I first started listening to the music. The Last Waltz presented a version of The Band; but it was a version fixed in time....a photograph from the past. Seeing The Band with Richard, Levon, Garth & Rick in 1985, seeing Levon in 1987, seeing Rick in 1988, and many Band shows in the 90's, along with more recent Levon Rambles helped to fill in the picture and bring the experience into the present.
TLW movie was like a time capsule. In contrast to that, the shows that I've seen were living and breathing human experiences. I'm happy that I got to experience them, sit in the same room, breathe the same air, and feel the vibrations of the music as it was being made. I'm thankful for all of it.
I'd say that Eric Clapton in many interviews & Jan Hoiberg as an archivist have done as much as anyone to help preserve the legacy of The Band. I've also known many people over the years who have come to know the Band's music through their connections with Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead.
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Friend0There is post on levon's GB by a guy named Frank. In the post he talks about the effect that The Band's music had on his unit stationed in SouthEast Asia in 1970 and 71.Pretty moving post. Also some effusive posts about the LH Band Red Rocks performance.
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Friend0Subject: Local 12
Pat, considering your reckoning about TLW, it sure is a good thing some one shut off that microphone. Other wise all those years of performing that Levon, Garth, Rick, & Richard did post Last waltz might haver been negated. The damage may have been irreparable.
RE TLW, without The Band getting back together like they did, and without all the other individual projects, TLW likely wouldn't a been able to prevent The Band from fading into not much more than a legend to the younger generations. And the fact that The Band were available to be seen and also accessible as humans made the bond even tighter to many of us. Living breathing music. Not just some of the greatest recordings ever..some of the most feelable music ever, became maybe even more feelable. I don't know if it is possible for that music to be magnified beyond it's own power, that's how great it's power was. But I do feel and suspect that Garth, levon, rick and Richard did accomplish that by virtue of their personalities and presences.
IMO It's not likely that the kids today would be getting the introduction to and education about The Band they are had the 4 other guys not been out there humping music and being The Band.
BTW, believe it or not, I meet people who did not see TLW, or any part of it. It's been happening a lot lately. But when I sing em part of The Weight or TNTDODD, they know the song. and who Levon is. there is the odd person who thinks that Dixie was strictly a Baez #. and i do meet people who when i ask em if they remember The Band , say yeah, Rick Danko, levon Helm. Garth Hudson.... That always makes my day.
Peter, i usre am gdla yoyu rea gtteing btter at undertsngin my tpyin.
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SteveSubject: And Of Course
It's called The Grey Cup
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SteveSubject: Sorry Joan, I Didn't Know You Were Around
Norbert, the Burt Monro story with his Indian is a great movie. Anthony Hopkins was wonderful in a quirky way as Munro.\ I gave, Bill, all day to make this connection but since the field is still open I'm going to put my head down and hit the opening and carry the ball on this one.
In 1909, Canadian Governor General, Sir Albert Henry George Grey, 4th "Earl Grey", donated a trophy to be given to the best amateur football club in Canada. It eventually became the trophy handed out to The CFL Champs, Levon's favorite football league back in the days of The Band.
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Peter VSubject: The greyness / grayness of life
gray / grey. Many thanks to all. Where I tend to disagree with editors, is that I will choose the variant (spelling or grammar) with the widest international coverage. So that would be “grey” in that Americans accept it, but we don’t use “gray” in Britain. I’d never seen anything but “gray” in US textbooks. They tend to choose the “Clearly American”variant over the “most international.” Interesting that “Gray” is a reasonably common Scots and English surname and is usually “Gray” (but not for Lady Jane Grey).
Dictionaries? For thirty years I had to refer back to the Oxford Advanced Learners as the authority, whether I liked it or not. I have about a dozen dictionaries in common use at various levels. I tend to check Oxford, Longman, Cambridge and Macmillan (with an old Websters Third as backup). I’ll argue with definitions, but I reckon the Cambridge International has an edge over the others.
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Rhythm JimmySubject: Gray vs. grey
Peter, as a book editor for 30 years, I say that "gray" is the standard American spelling (although according to Merriam-Webster "grey" is an equal variant), but "grey" is the predominant British spelling. Even though Ma Rhythm is the descendant of a Scotch Irish family named Gray.
Just out of curiosity, what dictionary do you prefer?
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NorbertWeb: My link
Subject: Tonight BBC 1: The World's Fastest Indian
For all the can get BBC 1 this evening (late) the great movie': The World's Fastest Indian .... when my father used to study, some of the boys, sons of rich farmers, came to college on "big" Indians. Anyway he would have loved this movie. It’s a kind of Bandisch thing.
I'm looking forward to watch it with an Erdinger Weißbräu (beware: a piece of melon in the large glass first and carefully fill it).
from the YouTube site
"Today, Burt Munro (1899-1978), still has got the World speed record for a motorbike with an under-1000cc engine. He drove his modified 1920 Indian Scout up to 183.586 mph (295.453 km/h). The record was set at Bonneville on August 26th, 1967 during the Speedweek. At the time Burt Munro was 68, his bi'ke 47, makes him the oldest man ever to set a world record
Entered at Tue Jun 16 19:41:09 CEST 2009 from (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
jhSubject: Travelling to the Rambles
I have the record, I'm sure :-) Four Rambles plus two Beacon shows since 2005, travelling from Norway. Then the trip down South with a certain UK madman to see Lee on his AR home turf, and also a Danko memorial gig in CT in 2000 and Ricky's funeral in '99... I'm sure I've forgotten a trip or two as well %-}
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I think I tend to use Gray, but I'm not uncomfortable with Grey. If I was reading something with the Grey spelling, it wouldn't give me pause.
Steve, thanks to that story, I'm going to be singing "Oh the fox went out on a chase one night" all day in my head.
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Pat BBill M, Band link--RR's Day of Reckoning.
If it means anything, I drove 800 miles to see the OQ once. When I mentioned that to Levon, he laughed and said, "So did I!"
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Bill MPeter V: In answer to your question, not many to that extent - just one or two, I reckon.
Entered at Tue Jun 16 18:28:22 CEST 2009 from 76.adsl.snet.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Steve, thanks for the tips from the barnyard. I'll tell my neighbor to be on the look out for more than one trouble-maker...while he still has some chickens left.
Peter V. In my experience, grey and gray are used fairly interchangeably. But I'd say that grey is more common in my completely unscientific opinion, and that's the spelling that I lean towards.
Jeff, at one of the Rambles that I went to in Woodstock, there was someone who had traveled from Japan. At another recent one, there was someone from Germany, and I was sitting next to a fellow from Texas. Aside from the grind of travel, I think the main reason that Levon does so many Rambles in his own studio, is because that's where the sound is the best, and the players and audience are very close together which makes for more of a communal experience. That said, I think he also like the energy of a big room once in a while too, and he knows that not everyone across the country can make it to Woodstock. Also, playing in his own place gave him the freedom to structure the shows the way he wanted to without the constrictions that many clubs and theaters place on performers. It really was a win-win. especially for those of us lucky enough to live close.
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joe reddwhy is it no one cares about the music anymore can someone please tell me that long live hunter s. thompson
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Peter VI think that’s one of the most interesting things I’ve read here:
The OQ when they ddi. hwne a any tinme you may go anywhere. Garth goes. People fly roudn the glov=be. don't doubt that mnay peoepl drive.
We should discuss this very cogent point. Is there a typo there though? Do you really mean "Mnay peoepl driveL"?
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bob w.Web: My link
For the Civil War buffs...........
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DebBill M, here in the South we still reckon. As in "Reckon why some people just won't let a thing go?"
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Pat BBill M, I was reading a Confederate account of the Battle of Atlanta last night and something must have sunk in subconsciously.
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bob w.Web: My link
Rest in peace, Bob Bogle.
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Bill MSubject: Mark Twain to Jed Clampett to Pat B
Peter V: See, there are no fast rules in English usage. First you find that Americans use "grey", then you find an American reckoning in the 21st century. Oo-wee - look at that boy cipher.
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Pat BI'd reckon the Last Waltz movie is the single biggest thing that has kept the notion of the Band alive.
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Bill MWeb: My link
Subject: a real dead skunk in the middle of the road
No word on the how high it's stinkin'.
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Friend0Subject: The Current Topic // Sebastian
Kinda funny how people fly from all over the world, drive from all over the U.S. and canada to see Levon play. especially when you consider that the majorioty of thos people never saw The OQ when they ddi tour worldwide. You might even consider that The OQ was not a hard touring band. Even funnier when you consider that most of the people who saw The Band in the 80s and 90s saw what Peter refers to as a "North- east Band after the 93-94 tour".
My point is, once you haveinfluenced the whoel god damn world, you are never again local. And especially hwne a any tinme you may go anywhere. Garth goes. Not as much as he used to, btu e goes. Levon is not a local musician, though he stays local most of the time.
Levon put a twist in it. People fly roudn the glov=be to see him play. I seem to recall Ede voci flying in from Chicago, anbd Dave Z drivig in from Minneapolis, more than once) to see Garth pl;ay in woodstock. One show I was t at The Playhouse, people had drivien from Canada. I don't doubt that mnay peoepl drive large distances to see Garth when he does get to their vicinity.
Bill Clinton, George Bush and Jimmy Carter are still addressed as Mr President.
I'm concerned how Pat would describe Robbie in regards to being a musician today . Now I have to admit , Robbie is a different case, cause for the last thirty three years he hardly ever performs live,for people, and when he does the last many years, it seems to be for a few songs, and as part of an arsenal of musicians. Maybe Pat would refer to him as a musician in waiting? I don't know about that. doesn't seem fair. I mean in one regard, he ain't even what Pat would consider a local musician, and in another, his work with The Band was amongst the most important and influential music ever made. He ain't dead, and he ain't lost the use of his hands, so former msucian don't seem right either. To me, Robbie, though not out and performing, and not hardly recording, and not doing session work, is still a international musical figure. Of some kind, Somehow, he is. Ain't that just amazing.
I guess it's a good god damn thing, for Robbie and all of us, that Levon and Garth are still out there giving The Band a living presence. Without that, and without The Band performing all those years, and the various individual performances, till Rick died, i don't care how hard Robbie tried, those reissues and repackagings just would not have had even the same amount of commercial appeal they did.
Sebastian, are you out there?
If you are, and you care to enter the discussion
Would you consider Garth a local musician?
Could you ask your pa if he considers Garth a local musician?
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joe reddLocation: maine
Subject: life music happiness
long live the band no music these days even comes close accept for warren haynes and gov't mule lifes just wippin on by so fast enjoy every second of every day rick danko you are truely missed long live HUNTER S.THOMPSON
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David P.Subject: Touch of Grey Roots
Peter V: Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter has spent time in England over the years and I believe the beginnings of "Touch of Grey" might have its roots there. Earlier, he did write "Ripple", "To Lay Me Down" and "Broke Down Palace" in the course of one afternoon in London.
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Bill MSteve: I won't name names, but there are a number of instruments whose sound improves dramatically with burial. It's best that they be left to rest in peace.
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David P.Subject: ReJoyce
Brien: Levon's current touring schedule coincides with the release of his new album at the end of the month. One would hope that the Vanguard label is underwriting some of his expenses. As summer is just around the corner, the weather is also a factor, as a couple of recent dates where he opened for John Prine, Chastain and Red Rocks, were at outdoor venues. On a half-dozen upcoming concerts, he'll be opening for The Black Crowes, who also recorded their upcoming album at Levon's studio.
It's a special day in the world of literature -- The 105th anniversary of Bloomsday.
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SteveSubject: Local - Not Local Musicin and That God Damn Impossible Way Of Life
Taking to the road, the long slow tour, walk a mile ( or 4,000 miles) in his shoes, play that funky music, Otto, all could have been in the subject line. As usual the GB is oh so topical. 80 years ago today Otto Funk finished a coast to coast tour, sans bus, car or horse, playing in every town, actually he played every foot of the country he walked, in a NY to San Francisco, 183 day walking tour.
Taking it to the street, could have also been in the subject line I guess.
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MikeWeb: My link
T.L.: Click on the link to Joe Heuer's "Rock & Roll Guru" blog as he spent a good share of time in the "R & R Annex" visiting & taking in some seminars.
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SteveTodd, I wouldn't be so sure about security, remember, the foxes aren't trying to get out, they're trying to get in. It might take someone with a different skill set than a prison guard's.
I once saw a pair of foxes shopping for chicken and the tactics they were using.
Our neighbor had lost several chickens so we were on the lookout for what was taking them.
One evening I was in our up stairs bathroom brushing my teeth and just by chance looked out the window that gave me a sort of overhead look at the barn yard where the chicken coop was. The chickens were not fenced in and could wander around. I looked just in time to see a fox slowly walking towards the chickens, herding them rather than chasing them. I was kinda frozen by the curious sight and didn't immediately yell out the window or head down stairs. Then I saw that the fox was actually moving the chickens in the direction of another fox that was waiting on the other side of the chicken coop in the trees where they'd probably both come from.
Once the fox had them heading in the right direction he sprinted towards them sending them right at his partner. They had two chickens in their shopping carts and were headed for the bush before I could get the window open to yell," THIEVES, STOP! BRING BACK THOSE CHICKENS, NOW!". The survivors lost their barnyard privileges and were put under coop arrest for their own safety and the security of our egg supply.
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Brien SzI get the sense that Levon "Plays out" because of marketing and bottom line. The cities he chooses may be based on where his cd sales were strongest and in turn works his presence their when the dollars for such a gig are desireable. Otherwise, why such short little bursts out? At his age and with the success of the Rambles, it just can't be "to do it", I think Levon's far too savvy now with how the money goes than to just "play out".
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Brien SzGrey Gray - I've spelt it both ways for years - didn't know it was British - just thought it was one of those words that can work either way - though Gray is the way you see more often.
Entered at Tue Jun 16 08:40:24 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: Supergroup / Touring / GRAY or GREY?
HHypothetical Supergroup: I don’t think any of the principles would choose to go out with Ginger Baker. One, he’s much too fussy in style, and two there seems long term bad blood and he’s hard to get on with allegedly. Such a project would have to be fun for all concerned. My worry was Paul who I don’t want to wear out … I was saving him up for bass and vocal on the hypothetical (alphabetically ordered) Helm-Hudson-Robertson reunion. We agreed by the tenth time we did that one that Bruce Hornsby got the piano stool.
Touring / Being local etc. When the 90s Band was still working, a constant dribble of complaint here was that they had become effectively a North-east band after the 1993-94 tour. Posters from The South, California, the Pacific North West (both sides), Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, let alone Europe and Australasia all complained that they had no chance of seeing them. That’s what happens unless you have the promoter and organization to do the national tour, and I guess when you’ve done it at the 1974 private jet level, the odd 15 or 18 hour bus trip gets unappealing.
A personal request on language. I spent twenty years applying spellcheckers to American editions of British books, changing the British GREY to GRAY. I just looked at my US import single by The Grateful Dead yesterday, and it is TOUCH OF GREY, inside, outside and on the thoughtfully supplied jukebox label card (something I’ve never seen with a single before). I don’t think you can get “more American” than the Grateful dead. So, do the Americans here notice the GREY spelling as unusual or “British”? If not, I’ve been wasting my time for years!
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Ari S.I went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Annex a few weeks ago. There is very little on The Band but the exhibit is wonderful. Also, I went in only to see the Lennon exhibit, but got so caught up with the rest of the museum that I had to rush through the Lennon part. Nonetheless extremely fascinating.
Entered at Tue Jun 16 05:29:00 CEST 2009 from 76.adsl.snet.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
ToddLocation: The Land of Local Eggs
Wow Steve, Those Woonsocket chickens sure get around! People might start talking.
Pat, I wouldn't expect anyone to speak for you, and I take Jeff's opinion as Jeff's opinion. It's pretty clear that the two of you are not on the same page on this topic. But since the topic of touring came up, I was trying to see what your baseline for touring vs. gigging was. Since Levon and company just came through your town, I was wondering if you considered that touring or something else.
More importantly, if you went to the recent Levon show in Chicago (which I'm pretty sure would be an opportunity that you wouldn't have wanted to miss), did you enjoy it? It sounds like the folks here from Minnesota had a good time. Thanks Dave Z, Jerry, and Jimmy for the reviews from St. Paul. I'm curious to hear how Chicago was.
Bob W. That Clapton Winwood show sounds like it was fantastic. What a great setlist! I don't think there's been much doubt that Clapton can still play. I just think he's made some questionable material & production choices over the past decade in many cases. I did like his Robert Johnson sessions disc that came out a few years back. It sounds like he just needs the right people around him to get the fire lit.
Ginger Baker was mentioned here as a possible drummer for a possible Winwood, Clapton, McCartney project. I'd rather see someone else....maybe the guys from the Allman Bros. or Richie Hayward from Little Feat. Ginger was great in Cream, but when your have two very strong melody guys like Winwood and McCartney, you need a drummer who is not going to overpower the situation. I think one of the reasons that Blind Faith didn't last longer was because Ginger Baker was the drummer, and there was too much of the Cream dynamic there. I've read interviews with Clapton in which he says that he didn't really want Ginger for the Blind Faith project, but Ginger showed up and assumed that he was going to be the drummer and that Clapton didn't have the self confidence or fortitude at the time to tell Ginger otherwise. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Blind Faith had been able to do a couple more albums.
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T.L.Subject: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame annex
Has anybody ever visited the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame annex in NYC? If so, would you happen to know how long it takes to look through the whole thing?
Thanks in advance.
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bob w.Steve, I wish I could play my acoustic kit where I live but they'd have me tarred and feathered in no time flat. I have grown to really enjoy my Yamaha electronic kit which allows me to play to an audience of one....me......and do it while playing along with my favorite bands. I can run my iPod through the brain of the kit and hear it and my playing in the headphones. It is a great way to practice.
I suspect there's going to be a lot more drummers in the next generation.
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SteveBob, take a shovel, go out in the yard( if you have one) dig a really deep hole and place as many cymbals in the hole as you can live without for the next 8 months and then cover them with earth and forget about them til about Christmas.
The theory that cymbals treated in that fashion emerge from the earth with improved sound was proven today.
Bob Zillgen, president of Sabian cymbals in Meductic New Brunswick had 100 cymbals buried 8 months ago. They dug them up with a backhoe this morning, cleaned them up and then tested them for improved sound over untreated cymbals. The company's sound engineer said the improvement was quite perceptible. The high register was much more dominant because the outer edges were more active than before they'd been buried.
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Friend0Subject: Pat on Garth
Give Garth a great studio, his selection of musicians, an unlimited budget, and all the time in the world, and he'd be a very happy man.
Garth doesn't have to stay home to be with his wife.
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Pat Bbtw, Todd, Jeff doesn't speak for me concerning Levon, thankfully.
Entered at Mon Jun 15 23:22:31 CEST 2009 from h-69-3-103-77.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Pat BWell, Jeff, maybe it would mean exactly what it says. That once the Band quit touring--as in hitting the road for extended periods of time--so did Garth. His forays with Burrito Deluxe were certainly not extensive, and most of the other gigs he did play were on the upper east coast. In fact, IIRC, he's been to Chicago once in the last decade.
If you have a hard time understanding what is meant by an internationally renowned studio musician, I can't help you.
I believe that Garth is, at his core, a genius musician. I believe what he loves the most is the pursuit of that muse, discovering and soaking up all kinds of different, disparate music and incorporating them all into his own inimitable style. And occasionally he comes out and shows everyone his genius. I'm sure he enjoys performing but he obviously has other eggs to fry.
And he loves his wife, which would make him a homebody for a lot of reasons.
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Friend0Subject: Pat on Garth
Pat, once again, here is what you wrote: "After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio. "
That is where you left it and you continue to defend your statement without any alteration.
In my opinion that is a very inaccurate defintive characterization of Garth's career in that time frame.
I never wrote Garth is chomping at the bit to go out on the road. What I have written is that he does go out and perform and has done so over the length of his entire adult lifetime as a musician. He has spent a lifetime peforming for and pleasing audiences. And he has enjoyed entertaining people. That he is a enthralling and engaging entertianer. When the right opportunites are there, he goes. It is what he does.
To deny Garth has been performing for people all around the world throughout his lifetime is absurd. To characterize him as a local musician with a international reputation in the studio is absurd.
It's not even a comprehendable statement.
If you are trying to say he has a international repoutation as a studio musician, that is comprehendable. But what would that mean?. That he is a local musician who gets credit for doing a lot of local studio work? And because records get heard all over the world, people all ove the world know he is a in demand studio musician?
Todd, Pat may very well consider Levon a internationally known muscian who is now a local performer that is catching a break and getting out to see the world.
Someone who doesn't like to spend a lot of time away from home a long time is that man. Who blames him or anyone for not living on the road? But the fact is Garth has spent a lifetime performing for people. And not just locally.
That logic you used Pat, dsicussing Garth and the Lake, and not asking the local neighbors to help him pack up, then you described them as locals, so he is a local musician. well, if Obama talks face to face to residents of washington DC in Washington DC, is he a local politician talking to local people, or i s he still the president of the united states?
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Bill MSteve: Grant Avenue Studio's the one in the mother's house and the Grange is the successor, I believe. Raffi too was born in Cairo.
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SteveWould the Lanois studio have been called, Grant Avenue Studio, in Hamilton? That's the studio The Stan Rogers album , For The Family, Bob Lanois gets a thank-you on. Yes we had or probably still have several Raffi albums on tape from the late 80's early 90's.
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Bill MSteve: I realise that I'm walking on eggshells here, but that sounds to me like divine intervention. Entire religions have been founded on less.
As for Bob Lanois, that's Daniel's brother and longtime studio-running partner - both the little one in their mother's house and the bigger one that the first evolved into. I believe that Bob still runs the latter.
Seems to me that your kids are of an age that that they will have grown up with Raffi records, most of which have both Lanois brothers and both Whiteley brothers all over them. Bruce Cockburn too.
Over the weekend I watched an NFB doc that a friend sent me, an early-'90s retrospective on the making of a much earlier ('67) NFB doc, "Christopher's Movie Matinee". The soundtrack to the original movie was songs by Cockburn and Bill Hawkins. And the retrospective had a short snippet of the original movie's theme song being sung by Amos Garrett in '67, standing beside Hawkins.
Back to the Whiteleys: not only were they both featured in the '67 movie, when they were teenagers, they were also there in the '90s remeniscing. And they, especially Ken, were a big part of another doc the friend sent me, the story of Hamilton musician Jackie Washington. There's a short clip of Daniel Lanois noting his appreciation too. (Jackie's 112 but didn't do his first album until the '70s, when he recorded it at the Lanois home.)
Entered at Mon Jun 15 21:09:33 CEST 2009 from 21cust207.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
SteveBill, I was expecting you to question the possibility of the egg getting impregnated but then only getting laid a couple of days later. Is Rob Lanois a brother or cousin of Daniel Lanois?
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Bill MSteve: With a border-hopping attitude like that, in all likelihood your chicken's only now being offered the choice between Bermuda and Palau. Joe and David: Thanks for the Hendrix link. The short intro sounds Weight-ish, eh?
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David P.It seems Joe & I posted at exactly the same time.
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David P.Web: My link
Subject: Hendrix covers Tears of Rage
From the ExpectingRain website: A short clip of Jimi Hendrix covering "Tears of Rage" has been posted on YouTube. (Link above)
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joe jWeb: My link
Subject: Tears of Rage
Link is to a snippet of a Jimi Hendrix version.
Entered at Mon Jun 15 19:33:10 CEST 2009 from 21cust190.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
SteveTodd, I think it's always about the chicken. Local chicken, local egg, but that's such a profound idea as are all questions concerning chickens I'd like to take more time to ponder this.
Questions such as, " if a Rhode Island Red chicken in Woonsocket RI. crosses the road and is now in South Attleboro Mass and while out of state lays an egg, should this be considered a local egg if found by someone from Woonsocket RI", must be examined.
More importantly, if the egg was fertilized by a Rhode Island Red Rooster before the chicken crossed the state line and someone incubates the egg and hatches it should the chicken be considered a Rhode Islander or a Massachicken.
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JoanSubject: Who is playing with who (whom?)
These discussions remind me of Fantasy Baseball. I guess we could call it "Fantasy Group"
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LarsLocation: The Woods
Subject: What chicken?
Avast. Why doesn't your chicken like to be open about her motives? What's she trying to hide?
Just shucking, Norm, don't let your Beckett Bend. Hope all is well over there in the Garden of Eden. Say hi to Susan for me.
I guess my break is over. Gotta mow the grass and get some fungicide on my roses because lately we've had too Gawd Danm much rain.
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David P.The Tonight show gig is pretty much an ideal gig for a musician. The show is taped in the late afternoon, Monday through Friday. That leaves the evenings open for nearby club gigs and touring on the weekends. Conan O'Brien taped his last Late Night show on Feb. 20, leaving a nice hiatus for Jimmy Vivino and the rest of the band time to relocate out West before the first Tonight Show taping on June 1st. If you check the calender, you'll see that all the upcoming Fab Faux gigs are scheduled for Saturday nights.
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
This reminds me of a very "profound" statement I saw some where, (I think on the internet) the other day.
I want to go back to a time when a chicken could cross the road, without having his motives questioned!!
Entered at Mon Jun 15 17:31:37 CEST 2009 from 76.adsl.snet.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Subject: Getting Around The Neighborhood & Where Do Eggs Come From
I may have missed some of the points, but have we decided yet whether Jimmy V. is East Coast or West Coast? I saw him on TV recently performing on The Tonight Show. He's also been spotted at a recent Midnight Ramble with Levon in Woodstock, New York. I think he's also doing some touring with the Fab Faux in places like New York, New Jersey, Boston, and Florida. He sure seems to get around!
I'm not sure what difference it makes, but generally local musicians/local bands/local groups seem to be the ones who never make it out of their city/town/region and who get to sleep in their own bed every night.
It seems that all of the guys in The Band made it out of their neighborhoods/hometowns/Countries etc. In the later years, more of the "touring" aka loading gear/driving/sleeping away from home may have been more of a regionally based affair rather than a Worldwide production, but the important thing is that people in different places are getting to hear the music live in some capacity.
I think it's pointless to get into an argument over semantics, but I'm curious if Pat would classify Levon's recent activity (gigs in Atlanta, Chicago, Minnesota, Colorado, and other places) as touring. It's not with the same frequency as what folks like Willie Nelson, Bob Dylan, and other road dogs are doing, but it's something.
By the way, I don't think that Garth would consider a gig at the Joyous Lake as touring, but traveling to Canada and other places could probably qualify.
This whole discussion reminds me of an ad campaign that ran here in New England, and possibly several other places in the Country some years ago. We have white eggs and brown eggs. The ads claimed that brown eggs were "local" eggs. That always puzzled me. I figured that the white eggs had to be local to somewhere. Aren't all eggs local eggs to some degree?
Maybe Pat and Jeff can find some common ground and agree that Garth is local and his location is wherever he happens to be on planet earth at any given time. Garth Hudson....the world's local musician. And Jimmy V. does seem to get around, even though he has a regular gig on the Tonight Show.
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Pat BJeff, is that the old "I know I am but what are you?" arguement?
Jan has posted a couple of my articles, so I'd be happy to update Garth's bio. I could include the fascinating conversations I've had with him about music, synths, practice routines, life, etc. Maybe I could include some of the musical explications I posted here on some of his solos. I could also include some of the horn charts he worked out. And his secret for all would-be keyboardists? The Bach chorales. I'd probably include his distaste for touring since it interrupts his practice and messes up his technique. It'd probably be fun to compare the different Genetic Method's that I've collected--maybe 20 or so--but that would take up a lot of space since each is so unique. And I'd have to include the great story when he was loading his equipment into a local gig, maybe Joyous Lake, and someone wondered why he didn't ask for help. He said the people around him were his neighbors, the locals, and he had to look them in the eye the next day. No big star was he, just one of the locals who happened to have an international reputation as the greatest rock keyboardist in history. At least according to me.
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Bill MDavids P and Sadavid: We're well into Monday morning and are still awaiting assurance that you survived weekend bouts of summer-place earworm.
Pat B: You have obviously won the debate, but could have knocked the ball out of the park on day one simply by pointing out that anyone whose idea of a good time is fixin' the screen door is not a touring musician by inclination.
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David P.Subject: Brothers and Drummers
Keyboardist Chuck Leavell, who joined the Allman Brothers Band after Duane's death, was another key ingredient in the recording of "Brothers and Sisters". That album was recorded just before the ABB tour that included their appearance at Watkins Glen with The Band and their friends the Grateful Dead. The ABB single from "Brothers and Sisters", "Ramblin Man" which featured Les Dudek, was the group's only hit single.
Around that time, Chuck Leavell and ABB drummer Jaimoe formed the off-shoot band Sea Level, which later featured Georgian Randall Bramblett. After Jaimoe's departure, drummer Joe English, who played with Paul McCartney's Wings from 1974-1977, joined Sea Level. Unfortunately, this talented group of musicians failed to achieve great popular success, partially due to the collapse of Capricorn Records at the time. A brief stint with Arista followed, but they couldn't regain momentum.
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Friend0Subject: Pat B on Garth and Vivino
Hey Pat, you are rather funny. HA HA.
Your insistence on defining Garth as a local musician with an international reputation, , well, maybe you should ask Garth if you could write his bio for his website, or be his publicist. It is al.so possibe Jan would like to incorporate your statement into Gath's page on this website.
I based my opinions, made my conclusions and statements based upon the conversations I've had with Garth and Maud and the relatively very little I've seen. Your positions, arguments, and fact finding technique define fantasizing.
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dlew919Subject: Rich P: Great minds think alike
But I probably should have read your post - though, of Course, Clapton was Blind Faith, so it would really be Macca joining parts of Blind Faith... still not a hateful concept...
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Pat BJeff, it's better than fantasizing.
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dlew919Subject: Ginger Baker?
With Winwood and Macca - throw Clapton on Guitar...
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bob w.I have always loved Ringo's drumming but since Abe Laboriel, Jr. has toured with McCartney and now with Winwood I would have him fill the best seat in the house should the fates ever bring something like that together. The guy is a monster drummer with the ability to really bring it or lay in some beautifully subtle percussion.
A McCartney/Winwood bill would open up a world of guest performance possibilities.
That would be somethin', really would be somethin'......
Entered at Mon Jun 15 14:26:29 CEST 2009 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Rich PSubject: A Drummer
Peter V.: I figure Winwood and McCartney could play it too safe without a more serious/less pop element. How about Nick Mason? He's got experience playing jazz and prog as well as pop and he's also produced sessions in a number of different genres (Robert Wyatt, Carla Bley, etc).
Michael Shrieve? Some genuine African percussion? How about just add McCartney to the Traffic line-up?
Rebop Kwaku Baah would have been the man for the job...
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Web: My link
Subject: Another one bites the dust.
Caught my first Band concert here and 2-3 others in the next two years. Band concert mentioned in the article, and also in comments section.
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SteveSubject: Careful Friend0, Pat might just be running another experiment.
Bill, Rob Lanois, is the only Lanois I could find on A Stan Rogers album. He got a "Thanks" on ,For The Family, Stan's album of covers of traditional songs and songs written by members of his family.
Jeff, I consider myself a musician with a very, very, very,local reputation since I only play at home. Though I do occasionally throw the guitar in the car when we go to our friends, Grant and Vicky's place for dinner. I consider that touring and it's a damn near impossible way of life, in summer I always come home with some black fly bites and in winter there's always wind and drifting snow up on the mountain where they live. God damn impossible!
Entered at Mon Jun 15 08:41:55 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Peter VSubject: All you need is a drummer …
Paul can get away with drums certainly, but I thought it was John who originated the line “Ringo’s not even the best drummer in The Beatles” and Ringo cheerfully picked it up and recycled it. Ringo is a great drummer. He has a sense of timing you can’t buy. Levon and Ringo both say “I’ve never done drum solos.”
In fact, it’s hard to know how good Ringo would be nowadays, as drumming requires keeping in practice, being the most physically demanding instrument. For a non-drummer, try this; just sit behind a bass drum, and get your right ankle to play the bass drum for a four minute song. Feel your ankle? Then keep it going for two hours. Then add in the other limbs one by one. That’s why musicians who can play drums well, but don’t play regularly, never sound quite the same as a regular full-time drummer. They just don’t hit them with the same strength and consistency. It’s not even about hitting hard, it’s just having the muscular precision after two hours. Age doesn’t seem to dull the facility, as one of the best (and hardest hitting) drummers I’ve seen was D.J. Fontana, then elderly. I watched him in a small club with Scotty Moore, backed by an Elvis impersonator band and thought they must have been totally amazing in their prime.
In the end, no name would grace the posters with Paul and Steve to the same degree as Ringo’s. In that situation I’d choose him over my other two favourites, Levon and Steve Gadd.
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Friend0Pat you write: "Again, go to Garth's website and figure out for yourself how much he's been away from home in the last year."
You have got to be kidding. You want to decide where someone been by the gaps in his website performance calendar, have at it.
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Pat BJeff, there's no need to repeat myself. All your questions were answered already. But to call doing sessions "touring" is pretty inaccurate. You get to fly somewhere, stay in a nice hotel, do your thing over a couple of days, get some good meals, then fly home. Counter that with getting on a bus, living in a bunk, soundchecking, sitting on hundreds of chairs, waiting around to do a ninety minute show, waiting for the crew to breakdown, sleep poorly, then as Jackson Browne sang, get up and do it again, let's say for three months. I'll let everyone here who have never gotten to enjoy that grind decide for themselves.
Again, go to Garth's website and figure out for yourself how much he's been away from home in the last year. Then go read where in 1974 he's intimating getting off the road, how in 1985 he talked about how touring destroys his technique. I'll take Garth's opinion on the matter.
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Web: My link
In 1975 I was in Sybil Brand Jail in L.A. 5:30a.m. the radio goes on there is Minnie Riperton Loving You in spite of my circumstances I felt free hearing Minnie. Today life chged serving the Almighty Minnie is singing a even higher song I am sure. God Bless Erlinda
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Charlie YLocation: Down in Old Virginny
Subject: Paul on Drums
Actually, Peter, someone once asked Ringo,"is it true you're the best drummer in the world?" Ringo used his perfect self-mocking humor to reply, "I'm not even the best drummer in THE BEATLES," referring to Sir Paul's abilities behind the kit. Paul guested on a Steve Miller Band song on drums and has played percussion on any number of his own records.
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Friend0Subject: Pat B. on Garth and Jimmy Vivino
No need for me to specify what I meant. JQ, and even Pat are doing a good job with possible interpretations. Although " a put down" is a poor way to portray someone's difference of opinion. Though Pat did do a little more inventive spin on presenting what i said in a definite light this time. A little back spin on the dreidl. Smug, but artful, almost nebulous even, in a slightly odd way.
No, I don't consider Jimmy vivino a local performer. Jimmy has always been spread all over this country and other continents. Maybe he doesn't often leave home for 4 to 6 months at a time,and maybe you didn't knwo about it Pat, but that doesnt tmean he didn't travel to the UK, Italy, Sitzerland,and a whole bunch of other places . It also sorta ignroes the fac that he scored a Sister Act film in LA, and unlkess i recall incorrectly, lived in Orleans a while, played in Dr john's band. Way back.
But vivino toured europe more than once with Johnnie Johnson and others, hits Europe and all around this country now with The Fab Faux, has played all over the gawd damn country with ocuntless blues acts at countless clubs and festivals. Hubert, Son Seals, Johnnie. Also with Al Kooper's band. That is forgetting a lot of acts. getting on a plane abnd heading to Washinton, Portland, Jackson Mississippi, was like brushing his teeth.
Far as Garth goes, the last 2 years he and Maud may have spent as much, or close to as much time, living away from home, as home.
And Also as far as considering Garth a local performer goes, how many shows a way from home does someone have to do yearly before you consider them a non local performer Pat?
I would also consider recording sessions performances. After all, a recording permanently fixes a performance, no? You are a studio owner , producer, I;d imagine you'd agree with that point. As a matter of fact, if you ain't sleeping in your own bed, it's the road.So, if Garth does a session in Tuscon, like The Neko Case session, or the sessions in Canada with Lanois, the performances wirth Cowboy Junkies, Burritos in Nashville, several sessions, and mixing sessions, and Lanois in canada, flying to england to do shows, I gues you'd have to call those non local performances. What is your cut off Pat? if Garth does a show in Philly and sleeps in a motel, even that's the road. Load enough instriments and equipment for a whole band into your truck, unload at the show,even i fit is only three hours or so away, reload after the show, unload at the hotel ,load it onto a cart and uo in the elevator, unload it into the hotel romm so you can go to a diner to eat at 3 AM, and not worry about your truck getting busted in to and your gear and instruments stolen, then sleep, wake up, load again, drive home, and unload, to me that's the road. Not too impossibe for garth though.
Reputation, well hell, you don't have to leave your own home to have a international reputation, specially with computers and all.
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Rich PPretty sure I recall McCartney saying the reason for the "hope you will enjoy the show" theme in Sgt Pepper was their idea to send the album off on tour while the Beatles stayed home.
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bob w.Web: My link
Bruuuuuce brings it to Bonnaroo.
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Pat BPeter, the talk is of Dylan and McCartney getting together to write with eyes toward an album.
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Peter VSubject: McCartney-Starr-Winwood (alphabetically)
Steve Winwood and Paul McCartney. Now there’s a thought. Given those two multi-instrumentalists, in the words of Sly Stone, “all you need is a drummer”. Ringo’s available. I hope he’d tone down Steve’s over-use of percussionists which dominated the last album with a samey percussion track running on everything.
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Pat BJQ, perhaps you're correct as I can't imagine anyone taking anything I've said about Garth--one of my true musical heroes--as a putdown.
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JQSubject: act locally, be famuos globally
Pat - I'm thinking Jeff meant that as an actual compliment to you, not sure though.
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Pat BLocal performer is hardly a putdown, Jeff, unless you have decided that it is. Wouldn't you consider Jimmy Vivino a local performer (LA based now) who has an international reputation? Plenty of great blues players remain local performers in Chicago, St. Louis, Kansas City yet are known all over the world but they don't tour. I can name tons of people here in Chicago who used to tour but now only play around town and occasionally out of town, and they are incredible musicians well known all over the world.
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Friend0Subject: Garth Hudson, according to Pat B.
Pat, I'm sure Garth will find it considerate that you've defined him as a local performer who retained his international reputation.
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Pat BJQ, as I recall, the Band was booked into Levon's NO club a lot. A number of reviews were good especially from GBer's who were there. But something happened after the first couple of dates (was Rick double booked and stayed on the East Coast to perform?) and a final, rather broken down performance proved to the be real Last Waltz. There was a lot of discussion about this back in the good old days and it may be in Jan's archives somewhere.
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JQSubject: blow up in New Orleans
Pat B - Does that refer to an awful performance at Levon's club opening or something more explosive?
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Peter VWasn't there a tour with Marianne Faithful? I know he's on the live recording, and I'd assumed a tour of some kind was involved. Or was it a one-off behind the lady who chose Gene Pitney, but not Bob Dylan.
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Pat BLes Dudek played on two songs with the Allmans--both high profile--but he never toured with them.
Even a cursory look at Garth's website reveals that he and Maud never tour and only occasionally play one-niters and special events. To the best of my knowledge, Garth's last tours were with Burrito Deluxe some five years ago. He also played selected dates with the Dixie Hummingbirds around that time.
It also seems when Garth is hired for sessionwork, he gets out and plays with whomever is in that town who shares his music sensibilities.
After the maniacal schedule of the Hawks and the Dylan whirlwind, The Band simply didn't tour much. Post LW, Garth did some west coast gigs with The Call in the late 70's. He might have done some touring with Don McLean in the late 70's. Of course he went out on short to medium tours with the Band from 83 on but those wound down until Jericho was released. I have no idea how extensive the Jericho tours were but without label support and the small size of the venues they played, I can guess. After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio.
Flying to Norway to do a Q&A and a few concerts is not touring. Get on the bus and leave home for three months, take a week off then leave for another three months. That's touring. Garth hasn't done that much since the mid-90's, if he did it at all.
BTW, I knew Garth loved performing the first time I saw the Band in 1969. He seemed to be of another consciousness, creating music and sound I had never heard. But a lifetime of touring? Try Dylan. Springsteen. Petty. Try Warren Haynes or Derek Trucks.
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Rich PSubject: Clapton/Allmans
I’m an Allman Brothers nut and I had no idea that Les Dudek was on ‘Brothers and Sisters’. Just figured Dicky had overdubbed himself a bunch of times. Am I correct in assuming Dicky was the only guitarist on stage during the ‘Brothers and Sisters’ tour (aside from Gregg on a few songs)?
Linking the Allmans with Eric Clapton…Clapton recently sat in with the Allmans during their run of shows at the Beacon theatre. (Suggest folks check out the show from March 20th of this year which is floating around the internet) Eric joins Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes (both players of Clapton’s caliber) for a few songs that originally featured brother Duane:
Key to the Highway,
Why Does Love Got to Be so Sad
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
By the time the set finishes with a smokin’ electric version of Layla, the roof is properly off the place.
Bob W. : Don’t know who’s been saying Clapton has been off his game, but on the evidence I’ve heard, I’d say he’s playing (and singing) better than ever. That show with Winwood must have been amazing.
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Friend0Yo Landy, you're velcome.
Dudek is / was a great talent. Like many, i was/ am one of those who scours who played what on which song on most every album I enjoy. And once upon a time, I remembered 99.89% of everything I read. (Fortunately, I still rememebr a lot of what i read in the once upon a time times, whilst it is very less likely that i recall things I read now or read the last some years).
Of ocurse, Dudek was a lead and rythym gutiarist with the Allman's following Duane's death.Brother's & SiSter's. His performance garnered him plenty of attention, and well deserved. When he came out with City Magic it got plenty of airplAy here in NYC, on WNEW, WLIR, maybe even the more commercial WPLJ. Somwewhere i ahve his first few solo records, and of course, the Dudek/Finnegan/krieger reocrd. I was dissappointed when that band appeared, cause i looked upon We Just Disagree as a lightweight song, and thought Dudek was too strong a musciian to be hanging with Kreiger. I did catch a few Dudek shows, and a DFK show. All strong.
I also have a good friend who sang backup with Boz Scaggs during the same time Dudek was in his band. Very talented chick.
Lando, I don't know how much of a trip it is for you to Syracuse, or rochcester, but he is playing the Dinosaur in both towns.
All the chores finally done, time to go to sleep.
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Thank you Jeff for linking the Les Dudek website. I had his first solo album which has to be one of the great albums that very few have ever heard. "City Magic" got a lot of play here but the rest of the album especially "What A Sacrifice" which Steve Miller covered was a gem.
Also liked the mention of Mountain whom I saw at New Years Eve show here headlining over Sha Na na, Rita Coolidge, and the J. Geils Band who absolutely stole the show.
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Friend0Web: My link
Subject: Henry Townsend 1976
Get a load of the look of that piani!
RTO, see that sucker?
First time i saw Henry play was 97 or 98. I was fortunate to get to see plaenty of him over a ten year period.He died not lon gback, up in Wisconsin. Went up to a gig/ honor /award ceremony in his honor. Against his dr.s orders. Went in the hospital, died up there. His youngest son, who was barely twenty, was there with him. Henry was 96 or 97. Maybe 98. One time , at a geoff Muldaur show, I made the mistake of asking Henry if the kid ( still very young at the time) was his grandson. Henry set me straight right quick. so I asked if he had any younger children. Henry smiled and said he needs to find a younger girlfriend.
St Louis didnlt forget it's old musicians. The old men and women always had peoplr to drive them, take them , do for them. Getting anywhere, for any reason (haircuts for example, ), they weren't left to their own devices. People stayed in ccnstant touch with em, these guys were loved and were people's friends and family. Henry attended every show that was of importance or related, the geoff muldaur show just being an example. A guitarist named leroy Pierson took Henry and his son to the geoff musldaur show.
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NorbertLocation: laptop kitchen table
Web: My link
Subject: Jim Morrison is Alive
Link: the proof.
We're off to xxLutz (Nordhorn)
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Friend0Web: My link
Also on the road ( goddam) ( impossible way of life) is Les Dudek.
Cool sounds when you hit the links on his website.
His my space page has dates too, not sure if one has more than the other, but he is all over the place, even Caintucky Stabby.
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Friend0Having now done the requisite googling, looks like The Zombies and Mountain will be the two pick acts of those shows. I've missed a few chances to see The Zombies. Mountan I've seen plenty of. With Pappalardi first time was Brooklyn College. If i recall correctly Return to Forever opened. I was a few rows form the stage, Mountain was great. And loud. Brooklyn College had really excellent sound. I don't ever remember being unhappy with the sound there. And yes, at 13 and 14, I was as or more critical of sound as I am now.
Last time I saw Mountain was in a short lived, resucitated and reincarnated My Father's Place. Located in a basement club in Queens. Noel Redding was the bassist. Great show. I guess it was the early 90s, maybe even the 80s.
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Friend0JUst noticed in The Village Voice, one show with Spencer Davis Group, The Yardbirds and The Zombies (wonder who is in the bands), in Manhattan, another in Brighton Beach, 5 to 10 miutes from home, with Mountain ( leslie, corky) and Creedence clearwater revisited (yikes).
I did catch one Spencer davis Group show at the original Lone Star. Dont rememebr what I thought of it, but suffice to say probably not blown away or i'd recall.
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Peter VIn either the TV documentary or the coffee table Island history "Keep on Running" Blackwell described the then 14 year old Stevie Winwood as "Ray Charles on helium." Winwood's move into Traffic was the main impetus for Blackwell's switch of direction for Island from a ska / R&B / soul label to the leading late 60s prog rock label. As I said last week, it's extraordinary that the front cover on the Island coffee table book shows Bob Marley, Amy Winehouse, Grace Jones and U2. The back shows Brian Ferry, Tom Waits (hardly a major seller), Nick Drake and Cat Stevens. As Winwood's version of Keep on Running gives the book its title and Traffic was the reason the label entered its "pink label" years, the first two candidates for the cover in my mind would have been Bob Marley and Steve Winwood.
The Band has one Island label single in the UK!
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LarsLocation: The woods
Subject: The dawgone road
Rando hates buses. I think he'd prefer breaking rocks in the hot sun to being stuck on a bus on tour. Once, he was at my house doing the backup on "Atlantic City" and I didn't hear what he sang at the time, but we were recording. When I listened to him on the recording I had to laugh because he'd left out "Coast City bus" and simply went with "freakin' bus."
I think to enjoy a trip with The Band on the road, it helped if you were a smoker. Randy and Weege didn't like the smoke much. After a few minutes up front on the bus, on the other side of the curtain, they'd catch a breather until Levon's head appeared between the curtains and he'd invite them to return to "join the party."
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dlew919Subject: Garth and touring
I'm not sure that many people like touring: it's a novelty for the first few years, then, it becomes a grind...
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bob w.Thank you, Peter. No doubt there is a strong element of the shared affection for Ray Charles' vocal style among all of the singers discussed. I was taken at a few points in the song with just how similar the timbre of Winwood's voice is to Richard's. Not in an overall sense but there were points where the similarity was striking.
I have always put McCartney at the top of my list of the greatest musical talents to come out of the "golden age" of Rock and Roll. Steve Winwood is standing right there with him. There are many, many very talented musicians in this world but there are very few that possess the sort of talents Steve Winwood brings to the stage. He has the unique vocal ability to enter the song already soaring. Brilliant in every sense.
Just an aside...it was entertaining to look up at the crystal clear video screens which were featuring closeups of all of the musicians and really zooming in on their hands as they played. Clapton still has incredible dexterity and still deserves the "Slowhand" moniker. We smiled when we could clearly see the inlaid Eric Clapton signature on his Martin guitar (Winwood also played it) and it is of note that the guitar he was playing was "born" just an hour or so away in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
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SteveI, never take your posts as terse or negative. Have a nice evening, I'm off to barbecue some chicken, actually a lot of chicken, there'll be about 10 eating. We've got friends coming over and we've kinda adopted a 16 friend of our son Steve. Full house.
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DebAnd I shouldn't have been terse in the last post. Unfortunately, I've only seen the post TLW line-up of The Band. All of the members of the Band are or were fine solo, but yes, the whole was greater than the sum of its parts.
Entered at Sun Jun 14 00:12:53 CEST 2009 from user-24-236-77-125.knology.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
DebNo, Steve, I didn't mean you. Think about it.
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SteveBoth Winwood and Clapton were as good as I remember hearing them from earlier days. I'm always impressed that Winwood can still hit the notes he does vocally. It's an interesting voice.
Hi Deb, have you ever seen a Band performance where the show was J2Rs' alone when he was performing with Rick, Richard,Levon and Garth? Implying that it could have been if he wanted it to be was about as silly a comment as you could make about that group. I went back and read my post and see nothing wrong or bashing in it, just an accurate description of the situation at the time.
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peter VSubject: Georgia On My Mind
I’m glad you enjoyed the show, Bob. Sounds great. As to hearing Richard on “Georgia” I suspect it’s a Band fan affliction (which I share). Chris Blackwell of Island has been interviewed frequently this year, and has described seeing Steve / Stevie doing Georgia with the Rhythm & Blues Quartet in Birmingham in 1964. The Spencer Davis Group recorded it in 1966, which is as good a version as you’ll hear. There’s no way he could have known of Richard Manuel’s versions of the song live back then (but not yet recorded officially).
I imagine that when we hear Richard in Steve Winwood or Van Morrison’s take on Georgia, we’re actually hearing a three-way common interest in Ray Charles. I’ve said the same in a Van Morrison review (that he seemed to be channeling Richard in Georgia) and I’d believe Richard was on his mind as he knew him well. However, Van was doing the Ray Charles songbook as was Steve Winwood years before. As was Zoot Money too.
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Ari S.Interesting. "In 1965 he was playing guitar better than Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton. The world didn't get him at his best when he was playing blues. He's a real work horse. He's writing constantly and I wouldn't be surprised if he stopped travelling with The Band because he doesn't like to go on gigs. Garth and Rob are both quiet and might stop touring, but I don't think they'd ever leave The Band permanently - they'd be crazy."
Funny that Ronnie says that in 1974.
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bob w.Steve, I believe they used another drummer on the first go round, and possibly horns(?). Very much the same show. Incredible.
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DebSteve, would that be the same jh person who prohibited the trashing of "any of our heroes" just a few weeks ago?
Sorry Pat, I know I missed the cutoff. Hope this doesn't skew the data too much. :o)
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SteveBob, was this concert the same, Winwood/Clapton tour that passed through Madison Sq Gardens and was shown on PBS last night? Or was the Madison Sq Gardens show from a couple of years ago?
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Pat BThis part of the Pavolvian experiment is over. We'll have the data posted in a day or two. Thanks to all who participated.
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NorbertWeb: My link
I hurt myself today To see if I still feel
I focus on my pain
The only thing that's real The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything
What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
I wear this crown of shit
Upon my liar's chair
Full of broken thoughts
I cannot repair
Beneath the stains of time
The feelings disappear
You are someone else
I am still right here
What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
If I could start again
A million miles away
I would keep myself
I would find a way
I'm off to our annual German street party!
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bob w.Subject: Clapton / Winwood
01. Had To Cry Today
02. Low Down
03. After Midnight
04. Sleeping In The Ground
05. Presence Of The Lord
07. Well Alright
08. Tough Luck Blues
09. Tell The Truth
10. Pearly Queen
11. No Face, No Name, No Number
12. Forever Man
13. Georgia On My Mind - Steve Winwood solo
14. Driftin' - acoustic
15. Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out
16. Layla - acoustic version
17. Can't Find My Way Home
18. Split Decision
19. Little Wing
20. Voodoo Chile
22. Dear Mr. Fantasy
Eric Clapton - guitar, vocals
Steve Winwood - vocals, Hammond B3, guitar
Chris Stainton - keyboards
Willie Weeks - bass
Abe Laboriel, Jr. - drums
Michelle John - backing vocals
Sharon White - backing vocals
Last night's show at the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia was an amazing display of musicianship. There has been a lot of negative comments (here and elsewhere)concerning Clapton's recent guitar work. The issue can be put to rest. He absolutely tore the place up. Steve Winwood is a musical genius. His vocals were incredible, his guitar playing was fantastic and his keyboard talents are beyond description. His solo rendition of "Georgia" was chilling and I know I heard Richard in there at several points. Abe Laboriel, Jr. is the best drummer I've seen live since the last time I saw him drumming with Paul McCartney. Chris Stainton was fabulous. Willie Weeks is rock solid on bass and the backup vocals were great.
What a show.
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Rich PSubject: Sonny James
David P mentioned Sonny James. I have always been fond of the Guess Who’s version of ‘Running Bear’ (a rockin’ song with a great chorus) but could never quite follow the story the song tells. I have only recently had the opportunity to hear Sonny James’ version and was pleased to notice an additional verse joining the beginning and end of the song that Burton remembered… Finally the story makes sense. A native-American ‘Romeo and Juliet’ in 2 minutes/39 seconds!
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SteveJust read the second article and have to agree with the editorial comment by that jh person. It's quite hard for a guy who isn't a front man and only gets his mike turned on between songs to dominate a concert, especially on a stage with those forces at work all around him, but he is a force in places during some songs. He does his part.
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SteveSubject: Easy Pat, Down Boy!
Pat, Pat, Pat, don't you think it's a little reckless to attribute too much credibility to this article. The confused Corinne seems to be a poor source to be hanging your hat on. When someone claims they saw "J2RS singing his song, I Shall Be Released", the proceed with caution signs start flashing.
Do you think she really knew who was who on the stage. Probably she recognized Dylan but after that she may have just had a list of names she was trying to attach to faces. She probably saw Richard singing, ISBR, and thought that must be that Robertson guy whose name is front and center in any interviews with the group. He's the Band's singer. That must be Robertson. It would be an easy mistake to make for the uninitiated.
I wonder who it was that told her the story about the chairs,I do hope it was Garth. I love the image of Garth playing a marathon length, one man game of musical chairs.
If it really was Garth who was dissing touring, let me paraphrase another song Corinne would probably attribute to J2Rs, something that might explain Garth's touring history as explained by Jeff. "Garth was so much older then, he's younger than that now."
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TracyBest line to come out of Garth's mouth: "I'm a Leo but I'm not that aggressive." Hahahaha!! Why do us Leos have to apologize and hold up our astrology sign all the time? Are we THAT obvious? Well, just like an acquaintance of mine said, "Leos rule!"
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Friend0Aversion doesn't seem to be the applicable descriptive word, Pat.
BTW, Garth been performing live around the planet without too much of a very long break for a lifetime. Seems to thrive on pleasing and entertaining an audience. Logistics and traveling, well, you can't tour without payng the price. Garth's been paying it, and enjoying performing for live human beings that respond. For a man who has been incorrectly presented and perceived as quiet,when he does his own shows, he is one of the most unique and actively engaging performers around. Go catch him and Maud somrtime, or even them with a small band. You'll be in for surprise.
Entered at Sat Jun 13 03:20:07 CEST 2009 from h-66-167-67-241.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Pat BTwo very interesting articles in the What's New section. Seems Garth shared Rob's aversion for life on the road.
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JoanSubject: A Summer Place
Oh the memories of camp, close dancing, and "make out: music.
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JerrySubject: spelling, n\n issues
Sorry about that, gb is not letting me get back from preview without losing everything....
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JerrySubject: Levon at the Fitz
Jimmy and Zzz, My apoligies for not getting in here in time to get something going on Wednesday night. It's been a nuts week for me at work and it's just now stating to slow down.n
What a great show Levon put on. This was the first time I've ever seen any member of The Band, and two days latter I'm still smiling. It was apparent Levon wasn't feeling the best and yet he put on a two and a hlf hour show that was as good as it gets. Course he kicked cancers ass so I suppose the common cold aint slowing this guy down. I was sitting in the first balconey third row with a perfect view of Levon behind the drum kit. I remember just sitting there for the first few songs and taking it all in and thinking am I really watching the coolest drumer ever in person. Once I got used to the idea and wiped my chin off I was good to go.n
Many highlights throuhout the night and Jimmy and Dave z touched a number of them. For me seeing Levon sing and play the "Weight" was really big. As Zzz pointed out a very muscular version of "Chest Fever" with a Larry Cambell intro also being very good. Watching Levon play and turning to the crowd with a playfull smile on his face when it was apparent that it was going to be "The Shape" was also pretty cool. To much to mention with "Anna Lee" from Dirt being a highlight as well. Larry Campbell's fiddle through out the show was very good.n
I've heard Levon's down home charm mentioned here many times and I'm thankfull that I got to see what you all have been saying all these years. My hats off to the lady that yelled between songs "Levon, would you sign my ticket" Levon responded by telling her "Darling, I'd do anything for you" before they could get into the next song this chick is at the stage with ticket and pen in hand. Levon got up mandolin in arm and signed the gal's ticket. Very cool guy to say the least.n
One thing that is very apparent is that Levon loves what he's doing and who he's doing it with. The man has a smile on his face from start to finish. This Wheel is Still on Fire, no shit...
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David P.sadavid: I was also exposed to Percy Faith at a young age. He scored another big hit on Columbia earlier in the '50s with another song from a movie soundtrack, "The Song From Moulin Rouge (Where Is Your Heart)", which featured a female vocalist. Like "Theme From A Summer Place", it spent many weeks at the top of the charts. Those of us of a certain age recall that songs like these became favorites of our parents, which they played on those big old hi-fi consoles.
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MikeWeb: My link
Subject: Real "Lucy in the Sky w/ Diamonds" fallen ill.
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Bill MBEG: Did you notice that Louuu's Elvis's guest tonight? (Up against the hockey final, brothers and sisters!)
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sadavidSubject: (not) a little Faith
Thanks, boys, now I got an instrumental earworm for probably the rest of the weekend. I really like Percy's tune, but then I had no chance - having been subjected to relentless exposure at a defencelessly tender age. More trivia from imdb.com (I'm DYING to hear the '76 remix!):
"Max Steiner's main theme for this film is probably his best-known after his "Tara Theme" for "Gone With the Wind." As with "Tara's Theme," it has remained a favorite ever since, with several charting recordings. Percy Faith's version (American Columbia: 1960) went to Number 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart in 1960, remaining in that position for 9 weeks, becoming both the Number One Instrumental Hit of the Rock Era and the first instrumental to win the Grammy for Record of the Year. Other charting versions were by Billy Vaughn (Dot: 1960, peaking at #2), the Lettermen (Capitol: 1965, using Mack Discant's lyrics and peaking at #16), and the Ventures (Liberty: 1969, at #83). Faith himself re-recorded it, shortly before his death in 1976, in a disco arrangement entitled "Summer Place '76.""
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Bill MDavid P: Precisely. "No wind (no wind), no rain (no rain) could keep me from loving you, babe" could not possibly have been written by a Canuck, unless of course the object of desire was already in the house. It does, however, seem to have been written by a Motown letter carrier, perhaps the same one who penned "Please Mr Postman"?
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David P.Bill M: Oh the cruel rain and the wind. A place that was once home to Blues Brother Jake.
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Bill MSubject: in keeping with Joe J's theorem ..
David P: Good point. I suspect that Mr Faith's hit - Percy's Song? - referred to the inside of the cottage rather than to the great outdoors, which were likely cold and wet - especially if it was a weekend.
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David P.Location: From A Canadian Summer Place
Bill M: Columbia started of the '60s with a soothing instrumental that created quite a bang, thanks to the Canadian orchestra leader Percy Faith, signed by A&R man Mitch Miller. Mr. Faith's version of "Theme From A Summer Place" spent several weeks at #1 on the Billboard chart and later won a Grammy for Record of the Year.
Entered at Fri Jun 12 18:53:33 CEST 2009 from 21cust85.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
SteveBill an example that doesn't fit the mold you just described would be Tom Connors. I think his music can be described as Canadian, just because he's Canadian and seems to be one of a kind, he's national but hasn't really spread outside the country.
As proof of his style being distinctly Canadian or appreciated only by Canadians I offer up a very limited, really, very limited poll on the subject.
A couple of years ago I heard a woman describing a trip she took on a ferry from BC to Washington State ( I think). The ferry was one that carries cars as well as passengers. This woman put on a Stompin Tom tape in her car and turned up the volume. Some passengers started gathering around her car to listen. As it turned out the people who were drawn in were all Canuckastanis even though there were many Americans on the ferry . She said the Canuckastanis were young and old and some knew Tom's music others didn't.
She approached a couple of Americans and asked them what they thought of the music and discovered that Americans, at least the ones she spoke to,just don't get Stompin's music like Canuckleheads do. But as I said a very, very limited poll.
I checked my albums but didn't see any mention of Lanois but some are on tapes and the boxes don't have as much info as the vinyl albums I have. Declan O'Doherty and George Graves are listed as engineers on more than one album each.
Just listened to Jian's Friday live guests, Deep Dark Woods, from Saskatchewan. The last song they played, which is so new it has no name but was completely enthralling.
I was listening thinking why am I getting sucked into this song so quickly.
The song ends and Jian had the answer. He says," wow, guys that was.....Band like." Then he has a brief talk with them about who would they say influenced their music. They admitted that the Band's sound definitely is a strong one but then said they had other people who they felt really influenced their sound, then they listed several people who are all people Band fans would recognize as influences on The Band themselves, including Muddy and the Stanley Bros. And of course they're playing at The Horseshoe in Toronto tonight. And the beat goes on.
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joe jLocation: Fog bound coast
It's the Canadian perspective, perhaps dictated by the weather. We're usually on the inside looking out. I wonder how many Canadian paintings are of the view from a window.
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Bill MSubject: music and lyrics from a basement room in a pink house inhabited by Canadians
David P: Doesn't there seem to be a certain interior-design theme running through late '60s Columbia recordings involving Canuckistanis - Music from a big pink house, Songs from a spartan room, Tapes from a basement ...
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David P.Subject: A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Nashville stars such as Bobby Bare, Marty Robbins and Waylon Jennings were among the first to cover songs by Gordon Lightfoot and Ian Tyson. And then there's Sonny James, The Southern Gentleman from Alabama, who had a hit with the song "A Little Bit South of Saskatoon".
The late-great Texas songwriter Cindy Walker penned "Blue Canadian Rockies" in the '50s which was first recorded by Gene Autrey for the movie by the same name. Others such as Hank Snow, Jim Reeves and The Byrds (on "Sweetheart of the Rodeo") covered the classic.
How would one catergorize Leonard Cohen's "Songs From A Room"? The Canadian-born L. Cohen wrote the songs while living on the Greek island of Hydra and later recorded them in Nashville with Bob Johnston producing.
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Charlie YLocation: Down in Old Virginny
Subject: The Next Generation
Jan: Old Crow Medicine Show is a great young string band. They're energetic and very talented. A tough act to follow. I won't be able to make it to that show but my daughter is moving to the DC area for a new job and leaving Texas after two years. She wanted to see another one of her favorite young bands--The Wiyos--who are opening for the Bob Dylan, John Mellencamp, Willie Nelson minor league ballpark tour. We'll be at the one in Norfolk, Virginia. With bands like Old Crow Medicine Show and The Wiyos, I feel better about the next generation of music.
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Bill MSteve: Didn't Daniel Lanois work (maybe as engineer?) on one of Stan Rogers' albums - providing that crucial link to our guys?
Rich P: Good invocation of the Hank Snow example. Given the rural British roots of so many of the early Euro settlers of the colonies that became the US and Canada, I can't help but think that it's off the mark to identify a good number of folk songs as 'American' or 'Canadian'. And much of what's left is regional rather than national - and in some cases spread to the rest of the world just as fast as to the rest of the country. (Jazz and rock and roll are two excellent examples.)
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Jan F.Location: metro D.C.
Subject: Canadian music
Heard last night that the group Loverboy is from Canada - is this indigenous music from Alberta . . . ?? I was thinking more of Ian Tyson.
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dlew919Subject: What are the chances of ...
Levon, Robbie or Garth coming to australia?
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bob w.Brien, the Tower Theater is still a great venue. My favorite place to see a show in the Philly area.
Tonight we'll be at the Wachovia Center for Clapton / Winwood.
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dlew919Subject: Robbie's solo album...
erm, I think it was mentioned here, not least by Sebastian Robertson...
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Brien SzI would love to see RR in concert. I will travel to see that show. I also imagine he'd play smaller venues - no bigger than the Beacon in NYC or the Tower in Philadelphia (is it still open - it's been so long). One wonders if he'd ask Garth to work the keyboards for the tour or at least co-keyboard the tour. Since RR has lots of ethereal textures to much of his music, Garth would seem like an appropriate choice.
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S.M.Subject: What's New???
Right on, King Leonidas!
Maud's post on Facebook about Garth and Maud's projects in progress was picked up by What's New the following day(June 11),yet still no mention of the June 7th post on Facebook about RR's return to studio and possible tour.
Entered at Fri Jun 12 14:19:20 CEST 2009 from 21cust252.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
SteveNorm, like I said, Steve knows Stan. I'll try and correct any mistakes you make so that newcomers, like Lars, to The World Of Stan, are not led astray. Always better to get the info right the first time since it leads to less confusion as you add to your knowledge on a subject. The importance of a solid foundation can never be over estimated, which I'm sure Lars appreciates.
For fans of Stan, saying Garnet usually played bass, needed to be responded to. If someone here, when referring to The Band, said Rick usually played banjo or J2RS was a singer, both statements would have to be challenged before the words had cooled on the screen. Same with your comment.
Where are all the Gord fans? There is no chorus in The Canadian Railroad Trilogy.
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Yes, it is something to behold. I caught Jimmy and Hubert a few times in the late 90s, when I was home in NY visiting from st louis. At the now long gone Chicago Blues, on 8th ave. In was Jimmy's band backing him up, James wormworth, Mike Merrit, Jimmy, Jerryvivino was along , and i tihnk at different shows Scott Healy and Brian Mitchell on keys.
Yes, Jimy and Hubert do trade licks without stepping on each others toes, but what I really enjoy is the way they complement each others`playing at the same time. Simultaneous leads of varying complementary nature, and wacked out rythyms behind leads.
Wake Up Call was a great album Vivino produced for Hubert.Round that time. They did that in one or two days. Live, everyone in the same room. Hubert did another record that same year, produced by Jimmy D Lane, Jimmy Roger's son.. No comparison. As Hubert said about Wake Up Call: "Vivino felt my mind."
Last time I saw Hubert & Vivino together was at the Jazz Standard. It was few years back. Mighta been 02, 03, 04. It was a Howlin for Hubert, but James was drumming, not Levon, and Donna Oxford was playing piano, for david Maxwell. Was a fine show.
James, who really deserves the job full time, was always Max's replacement drummer in the Conan show. They just made him a full fledged membrr of the Tonight show orchestra, playing percussion. Just slides over to drums when Max goes out with The Boss.
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Peter M.Location: by the turtle pond
Subject: Hubert & Jimmy V.
Friend0, Damn! Don't Sumlin & Jimmy V play well together, trading licks and never stepping on each others' toes! A thrill to see and hear at the "Howlin' For Hubert" shows. And Pat B, thanks for the additional info about Howard. I've loved the touch he brought to The Band material, after getting real fond of his playing with Taj Mahal.
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king leonidasas posted on Robbie Robertson facebook, he is in the studio working on a new album and he says possibly a tour, not sure why this has not been mentioned
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Rich PI'm pretty sure Robbie simply means that Canada has no genre of typically 'Canadian' music, like the U.S. has 'blues' or 'jazz' or 'gospel' (Just like there is no typically Canadian cuisine :). Of course, people hang on Robbie's every word because he is now regarded as something of a historian. He did eventually discover indigenous Canadian music (and his own roots).
Maybe the truth is not quite so simple. Like maybe Canadians have contributed enough to American genres to claim they belong to us as well. How about 'country and western' as a Canadian genre? Hank Snow was pretty influential in the field.
Hey Peter: Yeah, I'm sure we agree about a lot of British coursebooks being inappropriate. And, for better or worse (probably better) the Libyans won't consider American books.
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Jan F.Location: metro D.C.
Subject: Levon in the D.C. area
I believe this may have just been announced - appearing at Merriweather-Post Pavilion, Columbia, MD, Sunday August 16:
Route 29 Revue featuring OLD CROW MEDICINE SHOW • LEVON HELM • IRON AND WINE • GRACE POTTER • FELICE BROTHERS • JUSTIN JONES
Tickets on sale tomorrow at 10 am EDT.
Grace Potter was a big hit at the Wanee Fest we attended last weekend near Jacksonville, FL We missed her (opted for Gov't Mule -- maybe not such a good decision).
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LarsLocation: The Woods
Subject: Stan Rogers
NORM- Thanks for directing me to YouTube & the Stan Rogers videos. The one I really wanted ("Northwest Passage") was there. First time I've heard that song since I saw the
documentary "Iron Men and Wooden Ships." That was quite a while ago, but I became interested in Franklin because of that production. A number of books later, I still find the expedition an interesting topic.
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: Belly Laughs
I don't know if Garnet ever played the bass. He played every thing else. I was sure if I said that, yer little digits would be a blur on that key board to say something.
The bass player who played with him in his later years, was Jim Morison, (one r). He is in all the pictures in the book, and played with Stan on his final concert.
There is a "Discography" at the end of the book, that begins with these two paragraphs:
The Canadian folk community is a tight knit group, and within it Stan Rogers built a large circle of friends __ his extended family. This part of the book is dedicated to them.
What follows is an annotated discography ____ a list of selected recordings by Stan and other members of his folk family. Space constraints make it impossible to be comprehensive, but this list should provide a good starting point for anyone wishing to discover and listen to the folk music of Canada.
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June 28th Long Beach California mardi Graw and Crawfish Fest
Hubert sumlin and wille Big eyes Smith with Jimmy vivino and Barry Goldberg's East West Connection backing them up
it don't get better
Entered at Thu Jun 11 23:39:22 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Peter VRich P. I think we agree. My mind is boggled by British texts that imagine students will be enthralled by the years Charles Dickens spent in Portsmouth, or the History of the Morris Minor motor car. it makes little”headway” for me. . On the other hand, if I have to read another dull derivative American text on Thanksgiving, I’ll pull my head off. Are you in Libya? As this is esoteric ELT stuff, try e-mailing me if you want to discuss those issues. Link from any of the Articles on the site.
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Rhythm JimmySubject: Levon Helm Band in St. Paul
Zzzz, thanks for the review. Levon looked like he was having as good a time as we were.
What a show! Twelve players onstage, including the Dirt Farmer band with Jim Weider and a five-man horn section.
I was at the very end of the sixth row on the main floor, at the right of the stage, where the drum kit was set up, so I had a great view of Levon pumping that left arm like he was throwing a punch.
Levon's voice sounded good, if a bit weak in the opening number, "Ophelia" (warmly received by the full house), but it grew stronger as the show went on. His pitch was dead on.
Jim Weider was kept on a short leash, playing an amplified acoustic on most songs, but when they let him cut loose on his Fender, as on "The Weight," he really wailed.
I wish all the vocals had been louder. Teresa Williams has a fine soprano voice, but I couldn't hear her well, even in parts of her solo number. Larry Campbell seemed to be holding back so as not to overpower the others, but neither Levon nor Amy nor Teresa has a really strong voice. With 10 or 12 musicians on the same stage, that's a lot of sound.
I am so glad to have had this opportunity to see the Levon Helm Band in St. Paul. The obvious joy he takes in performing is contagious. When the band played "Rock and Roll Shoes," I couldn't help but think how Levon has been playing rock and roll for fifty-some years. It's a gas to see him going strong.
Zzzz, sorry I missed you, and whatever happened to Jerry? What up Jer?
Entered at Thu Jun 11 22:39:09 CEST 2009 from 21cust72.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
SteveSubject: Garnet Rogers
Norm, while I'm sure Garnet can play a bass guitar I've never seen him play one or be listed on an album as playing one. When I saw them he was always playing violin or flute and occasionally acoustic guitar but I never saw him playing bass, it was usually David Alan Eadie playing an electric bass. When Garnet and Archie Fisher toured neither played bass at least not when I saw them or heard any of their live recordings. Geez just thinking of Archie and Garnet I'm now going to have to dig out the tapes I've got by them and then find my old Walkman.
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Pat BPeter M, Howard Johnson's baritone sax on Caledonia Mission from RoA was another highlight.
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sadavidWeb: My link
Subject: easy way out
"Big Bill’s disdain for labels is simply stated: 'You hear people talking about folk songs. You hear people talking about the blues, like it’s something else. It’s all folk songs. You never hear horses sing ‘em.'"
-Studs Terkel, liner notes to Folkways Records FS 3864, _Studs Terkel's Weekly Almanac on Folk Music Blues on WFMT with Big Bill Broonzy and Pete Seeger_
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Peter M.And Howard's tuba solo was one of the standout features of Rag Mama Rag on Rock of Ages.
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Peter M.Location: by the pond
Subject: Fitzgerald's gig
Zzzz, So glad that you got to experience a Ramble on the Road. I live about 200 miles from Woodstock, so I've gotten to attend several Rambles there each year since their inception. It was delightful, as time went on to see tunes added to the repertoire, and fleshed out by the Levon Helm Band. W.S. Walcott/Crash On the Levee was fun, and The Weight was a blockbuster surprise & delight. Al La Glory, sung by Amy was equivalent to an out of body experience, especially after thinking for years that we'd never hear these songs again. I went to a Ramble this January with my 21 year old nephew. When he heard Howard's playing on "Rock and Roll Shoes", he said "Oh my God, that guy plays just like the original record!". I said, "Yeah, that's because HE PLAYED on the original record".
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David P.Subject: R.I.P. Barry Beckett
On a more serious note -- The legendary musician & producer Barry Beckett died last night at his home in Hendersonville, Tenn. Among his countless credits were contributions on both of Levon's self-titled albums.
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David P.Steve: I can see that it's useless to belabor the point with you. What you still fail to acknowledge is that Robbie wasn't ignoring or downplaying any individual contributions of Canadian musicians, he was just stating that, with a couple exceptions, the form of musical compostition they employ is not unique or innate to Canada.
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: Youtube follies
The stupid thing doesn't come up right, so just google Barrett's Privateers youtube, and there it is!
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link
Subject: Barretts Privateers
A youtube clip of Stan, hope it works.
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westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: More Profound Rambling
I don't see this as a competition, "beating any one to anything." In GOING DOWN, the plane made an emergency landing in Cincinnatti, do you get that part now. It sure as hell didn't stay up there. I only added to the information about Stan Rogers. He 'did" die from smoke inhalation, and he DID die because he was helping get passengers off the plane.
The constant belittling of Robbie Robertson, and what he does or doesn't "think" or the position he may take on other music, is only "heresay" on your part. For anyone to go out of their way to dig up negative information, and put down some one as much as possible is an obsession. I suppose if that's the only way one can get attention then it must be a necessity.
The point you made Bill, "What defines any particular style, or gender of music", is the one that can never be answered. Who is the "final say" in defintion? Neil Young, is touted as "The Voice" of Canadian Folk, and has 33 albums in 43 years. How can his music be defined. There are no doubt many different songs that may be put into many different slots. Then there is that old term, "crossover songs".
Hey Lars; How gozzit? Northwest Passage is an album too. A lot of great music. Stan's brother Garnet, who played in his band the whole time, (bass mostly), is still playing and singing, and he's pretty good too. But just google Stan, or possibly there is Youtube footage of him. A lot of his stuff is great.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 18:58:08 CEST 2009 from cpe-24-161-40-47.hvc.res.rr.com (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
LarsLocation: The Woods
Subject: Lunch time and my two cents worth
NORM- I don't know as much about you in regards to Stan Rogers, but it sounds like he lived a life that made a difference. The only time I came upon his name was when I looked up the lyrics of his song "Northwest Passage."
Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage
Sir John Franklin and all 128 men from his two ships perished while trying to find that "one warm line" that would form a Northwest Passage. His ships entered the high artic in 1845 and they were never seen again, with the exception of some Inuit who gave some seal meat to the emaciated remnant of the crew. They tried to walk all the way down to a Hudson Bay trappers' settlement, but only got part way before the last sailor fell and succumbed to the elements.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 18:54:00 CEST 2009 from 21cust23.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
SteveDavid, I never said J2RS wasn't aware of the songwriters in Canada, I think by saying "HE KNEW OF GORD'S Railroad Trilogy" that I made that point. What I was saying is he either chose to ignore or downplay the importance of music being made by other Canadians. But J2RS has a history of downplaying the importance of the music made by others, nothing new there. If you're really as confused as you say you are , may I suggest you pull out your copy of ATGD, turn to the notes at the back and read it yourself.
Then, if you think I'm over analyzing your post get out a dictionary and look up the definition of innate.
Norm, sorry for beating you to the punch on Stan. The flight he was on which was bringing him back from his last concert at the Kerrville Texas Folk Festival, didn't actually "go down", it landed. There was a small fire that involved the material in the seat coverings, Stan died from breathing in toxic chemicals in the smoke.
His death led to a change in the laws governing the materials that can be used in the interior of commercial passenger planes. Need to know anything else about Stan let me know. Steve knows Stan. Valerie and I became great pen pals in the late 80's and I got to know quite about both Stan and Garnett. I always felt a strong connection with Stan. Though neither of us were born on the north Atlantic coast, our families were from there and we both spent our summers there while growing up and got involved , indifferent ways, with the local fishermen. Stan sang about them, I fished with them. I connected with him the first time I heard Fogarty's Cove.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 18:39:41 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
David P.Location: Lyrics AND Music
The key, in most instances, is to look at the distinction between the lyrical subject matter and that of the musical style of the composition. Often the two might reflect the same indigenous influence, as in Robbie's "Stomp Dance (Unity)". Sometimes the two reflect two different influences, as in Neil Young's "Helpless".
Entered at Thu Jun 11 17:43:59 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Bill MSadavid: The local Chapters store had that very CD in teh folk bin before Christmas, and I gave serious thought to suggesting to someone that it might make a dandy Xmas gift. But I didn't, and now Chapters has dumped its CD section - so I'll have to rely on your review. Lemme know.
One of the problems with identifying 'folk' music is defining 'folk' music. Is it just the public domain stuff (in which case no "Four Strong Winds", but also no "Waltzing Matilda"), or it the PD stuff plus any newer song sung an the approved sepia-toned style (so FSW and WM would be back in), or does it come down in the middle and include PD plus just the newer stuff that everybody knows and is capable of singing around a campfire (in which case FSW and WM would be in, but not the lesser songs of Ian Tyson or Banjo Paterson). If the latter, there are tons of Beatles songs, Dylan songs, etc., etc., that can be said to be folkier - in the sense of being known by more people than almost all the truly old stuff combined.
In elementary school we sang "I'se The By" (likely a true folk song), "Farewell To Nova Scotia" (ditto, possibly a translation from a song written in French) and "Squid Jiggin' Ground" (a song written in the '30s by Art Scammell, but seems timeless).
Robbie's views may have changed since '71. Certainly if you read what Garth had to say about his influences in that 100 best Canuck albums book you'll find a whole bunch of names of people who were playing folk music - sometimes strummer/singers, but sometimes fiddlers and accordionists.
Speaking of which, it occurred to me that multiple Grammy polka winner Walter Ostenak may be the only guy in the category whose paths would have crossed that of the early Hawks, as he was also a bassist and did jobbing gigs around the Niagara Peninsula through the '50s and early '60s.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 17:35:39 CEST 2009 from (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Jan F.Location: metro D.C.
Subject: Profound Ramblings & Levon's Rambles
I think Norm put it best but, nevertheless, thanks, David . . .
Yes, Zzzz -- Levon's current rendition of Rag Mama Rag" is a sight and sound to behold!"
Entered at Thu Jun 11 17:22:26 CEST 2009 from c-75-72-126-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
ZzzzRag Mama Rag was really cool too... I mean, who brings a tuba player up front and center to drive a rock song... Very cool, Howard Johnson...
Entered at Thu Jun 11 17:21:27 CEST 2009 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
westcoasterLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: An Unfinished Conversation
David: Steve's "Profound ramblngs" of information with a gun full of blanks upstairs, just make for the "court jester" sort of entertainment.
An Unfinished Conversation, is a book from my libray, written by Chris Gudgeon, (who I expect Bill Munson and Sadavid) would know. The book is about Stan Rogers. The forward in the book is by Sylvia Tyson. A very good read.
Firstly, it is interesting to understand, when flight 797 went down in Cincinnati in 1983, at an airport, it was on fire. Stan Rogers was helping get people off the plane, and in so doing, lost his own life.
Stan Rogers wrote over 100 songs and had a very large following in the US and world wide. His songs, such as "45 years" dedicated to his wife who had been married before and was "leary" of marriage is a great sound with touching lyrics. Barretts Privateers, is done acuppello, a pirate lost his legs in a battle, left on the wharf at Halifax.
From "The Idiot"
So I bid farewell to the Eastern town I never more will see.
But work I must so I eat this dust and breath refinery
Oh, I miss the green and the woods and streams, and I don't like cowboy clothes
But I like being free and that makes me an idiot I suppose
Whatever Robbie Robertson may have said in 1971, at age 28 or 9, or what ever, he perhaps did not have the same perspective on music that he, like all of us may have now.
Every one but Steve may realize that, and take into consideration how things change. But then I suppose living out on the farm, one may think, Murray McGlaughlin's farmers song just came out last week.
One only needs to type a few few words on this key board to arrive at the history of Flok Music in Canada, with it's many ethnic influences. Just stop for a minute, and start putting down here the many folk songs of this country.
Ian Tyson's, "Summer Wages", "Four Strong Winds"
Murray McGlaughlin's "Farmers Song"
Many of Leonard Cohen, and the list is too long, so to make some of the "uninformed" remarks the farmer does about Canadian Folk Music, is just........funny
Entered at Thu Jun 11 17:15:54 CEST 2009 from c-75-72-126-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
ZzzzJimmy and Jer, sorry I couldn't hookup with ya... I had hoped to check back from the road but probs with my wife's phone... We ate and drank a bit at POP!, actually quite good...
Hey, wasn't that a great Levon Show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... A feast of sound and visuals as well... I really loved the New Orleans flavor... and the five piece horn section marching around the stage... Levon was really at his best on those quiet Dirt Farmer numbers too... when he sat out front with mandolin... Looks like he was fighting a good runny nose but you wouldn't have known from his singing... The guy who sang the Dylan number and one of the New Orleans tunes was a nice surprise... This was like a variety show almost... Amy and Teresea both sang beautifully too... The highlight of the show though for me... was a very muscular Chest Fever... with Larry and Jim Weider just going at it... Larry's deep voice with that NY accent is just perfect for this song... and it's definitely a guitar rock version... very powerful... I liked some of the new album numbers as well... just soooo so much going on in one night... and I gotta rush out of here now... but this is definitely a must-see show... The Fitzgerald Theatre was a cool venue too... with those Kennedy-Wilkes-Booth-like seating booths... the stone... curtains... I was way up in second balcony and even moved up higher at end... where the sound was cool... They also let you drink in the place... felt like being in an old-timey theatre in the 70's... fun fun fun... Lastly, my kids called our cell phone from Grandma's just as Chest Fever was starting so my wife let them hear Jimmy and Larry go at it for a few moments hehehehe... The Weight was also nicely done... and let's see... really liked the dancing trombone player with the out of control right elbow... Amy even sat in on drums for a number... Levon was also turned at right angles on drums so you could watch his technique the whole time... really really cool... Larry's fiddling is wonderful too... and Weider shows me something different everytime I see him play... in whatever setting, a true professional... always busting out of musical seams powerfully...
Oh well, gotta run... trying to get out the door here on vacation...
Entered at Thu Jun 11 17:11:49 CEST 2009 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
DebExcellent point, David. And to take it a bit further, many of indigenous forms from the U.S. heavily influenced the kind of music that Robbie and the rest of The Band played - as The Band, the Hawks, and in their pre-Hawks bands. African-American gospel, old-time country, New Orleans music of various kinds, are just a few examples of music with deep roots in the American South that influenced not only The Band, but rock and roll as a genre. These are not obscure forms by any means, but they are indigenous.
Yes, Steve, there are many, many fine musicians from Canada, but if Canada has as many influential indigenous genres as the U.S., I'd appreciate your pointing me to where I can learn more about them.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 16:47:47 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
David P.Steve: You've lost me again in your ramblings. Your original quote contained the statement "except for the odd jig or reel there is no Canadian music" and did not include the question Robbie was responding to. Now you proceed to over-analyze my point that he was referring to music as an indigenous form unique to Canada.
As an example, Linda Ronstadt has interpreted Neil Young's "Love Is A Rose", and when you hear it you don't immediately think that it's a form of Canadian music. Yet when she sings something from "Canciones de Mi Padre" (My Father's Songs), you think that's mariachi/ranchera music from Mexico. And when you hear Ms. Ronstadt perform a certain song from "Adieu False Heart" with Ann Savoy, you're hearing the Cajun influence from Louisiana.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 16:27:13 CEST 2009 from gpf-t200.gpnet.dnd.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
sadavidWeb: My link
Subject: folk music of darkest Canuckistan
Dlew919: I also would like to hear some of that Canadian folk music. I'm thinking of breaking down and ordering the one at [My link] from Folkways.
They have tons of cool albums, including one with Montréal poets that includes some L. Cohen sides. Also _The Doukhobors of British Columbia_ featuring "Song of the Mosquito."
Entered at Thu Jun 11 16:24:57 CEST 2009 from 21cust242.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
SteveDavid, I guess you can insist that he meant something that was being done in Canada that was not being done anywhere else in the world. That by definition means obscure, I think. Then you'd have to get down to Inuit throat singing, which is probably also done in Greenland which I guess would eliminate it as well. Maybe some, as of yet, undiscovered tribe on the north west coast of BC is doing some funky, northern rain forest butt slapping rhythmic stuff that is peculiar to that area which would qualify. But maybe someday it would be traced back to the Africa savanna and would be disqualified as well.
The question he was answering was whether there was any Canadian influence on the Band's music. If you stick to the very strict definition you're proposing you'd have to eliminate the New Orleans sound as a distinct influence as well. Rock and Roll, as J2RS has said, did not evolve in a vacuum. At least I think it was him, in TLW, possibly talking about the music and on stage moves done by Chuck Berry and others.
Dlew, if you want to hear some distinctive Canadian folk the man to search out is Stan Rogers. While Canadian folk doesn't begin and end with Stan he certainly was one of the most talented, singer songwriters Canada has produced, ever. Here's a selection of titles if you'd like a serious, "Stan Fan's, list of personal favorites. North West Passage, White Squall, 45 Years, Barrett's Privateers, The Field Behind The Plow, and of course my personal favorite, The Idiot, a tale about one of the thousands of east coasters who leave the depressed economic situation of their home towns behind and head for the money in the oil fields of Alberta.
There is a video on the net called, One Warm Line, which is a 45 minute doc about Stan, his music and his life which unfortunately came to an end in a plane accident when he was just 33.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 15:43:20 CEST 2009 from c-61-68-29-193.hay.connect.net.au (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
dlew919Web: My link
Subject: More on books, et cetera
Entered at Thu Jun 11 15:34:04 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Brien SzMaybe Bono would just like to see radio stations go out of business and then get no air-play. Or perhaps Bono is complaining because he and U2 just don't have the chops they once had and sales are way down and the money isn't what it used to be. Hey - I love U2 but the bloom has been off the flower on them for a while now.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 15:20:38 CEST 2009 from c-61-68-29-193.hay.connect.net.au (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
dlew919Subject: Robbie and Canadian Music
David P. beat me, but what I was going to say is that I don't know any Canadian folk songs off hand in the same way I know, well, Australian ones (eg Click go the Shears, Waltzing Matilda), or English ones, or American ones. Naturally, I plead ignorance, for I am ignorant. certainly, the old Canadian game of 'Name 5 famous Canadians' falls flat with musicians: Cohen, Mitchell, Young, Robertson, Danko, Hudson, Manuel, Lifeson, Lee, Morrisette, Shaeffer, and on and on...
I'd lov to hear some examples of Canadian folk music...
Entered at Thu Jun 11 14:58:03 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
David P.Steve: In all fairness to Robbie, you can't say that he wasn't aware of the gifted musicians & songwriters from Canada. I believe that what he was referring to in the remarks you quoted was music in the indigenous sense, that which is truly innate to Canada.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 14:56:23 CEST 2009 from gpf-t200.gpnet.dnd.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
sadavidWeb: My link
Catchy name. At the risk of reviving an argument that's been done to death here -- [My link] has an article about a complaint to the US FCC -- an artist (Bono or not Bono) alleges a radio boycott in retaliation for said artist's support of royalties for musicians (in addition to royalties for songwriters).
musicFIRST's alleged supporters include GB faves Don Henley and Celine Dion . . . .
Entered at Thu Jun 11 14:47:16 CEST 2009 from gpf-t198.gpnet.dnd.ca (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
sadavidWeb: My link
Subject: shakey setlist
[My link] has the line-up (preview, not review) for the Neil tribute concert. Musta been good.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 14:14:43 CEST 2009 from 21cust203.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
SteveLast night 19 different bands/performers reproduced Neil's, now legendary, 1971 concert at Massey Hall. Yes 1971, the same year J2RS still wasn't aware of any Canadian music of significance outside of a few jigs and reels. One of the high -lites of the show according to some audience members was a performance art like rendition of, Helpless, by Toronto's, Danny Michel. Michele is one funky dude.
Is Toronto becoming the center of 1970's significant concert reproductions or is this going on elsewhere as well? First it was The Last Waltz 2 years ago and now Neil's Massey Hall show.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 08:32:53 CEST 2009 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
dlew919Subject: what is literacy?
L33t speak is just another form of language. If I spl lk ths, lol, u can stl undrstnd wot im saying. Yes, you won't read Yeats like this, but you're not meant to. Having taught undergrads far more proficient in L33t than me, I've been struck by how much they still appreciate good writing, in proper english. /n
It is a worry that kids want to get rid of copyright: when they start creating, that will change ...
Entered at Thu Jun 11 08:09:53 CEST 2009 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Rich PSubject: Photocopying
Peter: It's just when we Canadians start teaching abroad that we go mad with the photo copier. Usually, it's due to local school management choosing a British textbook that is totally inappropriate (describing rowing a boat in Cambridge rather than situations they will likely meet) and need to be supplimented with stuff that is more on target from materials the teacher brings to the job. Right now I'm trying to find materials appropriate for Arabic speakers in Libya. It's tough. the ubiquitous 'special occasions', and 'describe how people look' sections contain pretty alien concepts for these guys.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 05:14:05 CEST 2009 from pool-71-190-194-223.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Ari S.My dad met with Bob Johnston today. Blonde on Blonde producer. Very cool!
Entered at Thu Jun 11 04:27:44 CEST 2009 from 76.adsl.snet.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Subject: Minnesota Road Ramble
Zzzz, Jimmy & Jerry. I'm really happy for you guys that you're seeing Levon tonight. I have a feeling that you've been waiting a long time for this....You're in for a treat! Looking forward to hearing about it.
The reviews on Levon's GB that I've read from the Chicago show sounds like it was a great concert. Lot's of happy fans out there.
Entered at Thu Jun 11 03:48:23 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
bob w.Web: My link
Without the fez on.........
Entered at Thu Jun 11 00:44:35 CEST 2009 from mail2.scisoc.org (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Rhythm JimmyZzzz, I haven't heard from Jerry. I'll try to stop at Great Waters (426 St. Peter) before the show. Wearing a black Stax T-shirt. If I miss seeing you there . . . enjoy the show!!!
Entered at Thu Jun 11 00:18:43 CEST 2009 from cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Friend0I'm still firmly for paper, pens, pencils, vinyl, analogue recording. My humble opinion is that digital recording, broadcasting or presenting more than 2 minutes of a piece of music online, and publishing most types of written format ( i'll allow David and peter to tweak the written format publishing part of this, trusting their judgment on this) online should all be punishable by no less than 5 yeasr imprisonment. Whilst I personally may be violating those principles now myself, it is not yet law.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 23:29:27 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
bob w.Steve, to their credit California is a leader on the alternative power front. Wind, solar and hydro power (among others) are growing rapidly there. I think the bigger issue is the "after life" of the components.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 23:16:52 CEST 2009 from 21cust20.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
SteveAll those huge computers that the large servers use also suck up lots of power. I can't remember how much power the ones in California use but it was a mega amount.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 22:41:52 CEST 2009 from c-75-72-126-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
ZzzzJimmy and Jerry, where are you guys going for a drink tonight before the show?... Sorry, I've been so busy to get on this sooner... Leave a GB post and I'll check back from phone on road... I'll be wearing a black Levon T-shirt and a black n' gold North Stars sweatshirt...
Entered at Wed Jun 10 22:40:24 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
Bill MWeb: My link
The link above is to a rather dry but almost totally accurate article about a dynamic Toronto group of the mid '60s. I'm posting it here because of the mention of the Hawks maybe a third of the way through. (Also mentions Butterfield, Bloomfield, Blues Project, et al.)
Entered at Wed Jun 10 22:39:01 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
bob w.economic gaps
Entered at Wed Jun 10 22:36:21 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
bob w.The "green" aspect of this initative is under close scrutiny. We have to remember that the evaluation takes a long, long list of factors in to consideration. Trees cut for paper production, time it takes to replenish, the energy usage in the forestry process, pollutants resultant of the paper manufacturing process, energy to power paper mills, energy and capital to print, ink production, disposal methods, fuel to transport millions of pounds of freight, etc. versus chemicals, recycling potential, energy use of e-readers, transport, etc.
"Green" in many cases will be determined by the lesser of two evils which at least provides a small step forward for the environment. This makes the discussion that much more interesting for me. There are so many factors that impact all of us when these choices are made.
This topic is also closely related to the vision President Obama recently shared in Cairo...."On education, we will expand exchange programs, and increase scholarships, like the one that brought my father to America. (Applause.) At the same time, we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities. And we will match promising Muslim students with internships in America; invest in online learning for teachers and children around the world; and create a new online network, so a young person in Kansas can communicate instantly with a young person in Cairo."
The only way these dreams can be realized is through the continuing advancements of the technologies that close the huge geographical and economical gaps we must bridge.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 21:52:16 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
David P.Peter V: Have you looked into obtaining a licensing agreement for your works with the Copyright Clearance Center here in the U.S.?
bob w: I would also raise the issue as to whether producing millions of electronic devices for school children, along with batteries containing toxic chemicals, is truly a greener alternative.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 21:20:43 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Peter VAs someone whose books have been much photocopied in the USA (which means mainly California as the biggest ESL area) I have never seen a cent from photocopying. if the publishers have received money, they haven't passed on the contractual 50%. On the other hand, Canada's payment is a nice (little) surprise once a year.
They're just basically more honest up there, eh?
Entered at Wed Jun 10 20:59:29 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Bill MSubject: Winston Smith, anyone?
One of the great things about the replacement of the printed word with the digital is that it will make it easier for authors, publishers and the authorities in general to fix little things like typos and innocent misstatements in all copies. And even bigger stuff like defamatory statements and factual errors. And still bigger things like morally repugnant statements - and maybe politically unpalatable ones too while we're at it. And of course to clear out the digital archives so those troubling things don't linger like embarrassing proof of thought-error.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 19:41:38 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
David P.bob w: That's a good question. As we've seen with CD and DVD technology, security protection can be easily compromised by hackers. The digital formats have opened up a whole new can of worms regarding legal issues. Just in the news today is a report that the Justice Department has begun an anti-trust probe into the settlement deal that Google struck with the major publishers & Authors Guild, allowing millions of books to be available online.
Another concern to the Federal Trade Commission relates to consumer privacy issues. As anyone who orders, or merely views, products online knows, your preferences are openly exposed to e-trade retailers. In what is referred to as behavioral advertising, the e-traders use this personal info to pitch similar products to consumers. As one can easily see, there's a potential for a digital Pandora's Box.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 19:00:36 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Brien SzIn a wicked financial crisis, I find it innovative that California would go the "E-Book" route. I don't wholeheartedly agree with it but it's not only a way of staying up on current technology and keeping kids involved but saving money in a time where money to support much of anything is hard to come by. With California as are many states, in such financial instability, you have to make tough decisions to see if you can save money at all costs so other programs can stay afloat as well. I'm sure if Califronia was in fine financial shape this move would have no legs.
If my kids were more apt to read from a Kindle than the traditional book - then I'll get some Kindles. Personally, I can't read at great length on the computer - heck I don't read posts here if I have to scroll more than a couple clicks.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:42:55 CEST 2009 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
It may just be me, but I have a hard time reading text from a computer screen I think Bill Gates even said he has problems with it. Also, with textbooks,I would highlight passages and then go back to review them. It would be more difficult on a Kindle.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:33:06 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
bob w.David, is it then possible that illegal use of copyrighted text might be more difficult to achieve in a properly protected digital format? Curious about your opinion.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:26:37 CEST 2009 from cpe000c413b9937-cm000a7363c740.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
SerenityWeb: My link
Subject: David Carradine
LINK: David Carradine singing," House of The Rising Sun".
Something from our "old" friend, the lovely Rosalind. Too bad she's been banned from here. I thought she had some great posts. Yes, she was controversial [sp?], but always entertaining to read her posts. She misses all you guys I'm sure.
Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo
Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:25:55 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
David P.Peter: While it's true that "fair use" exemptions relating to photocopying exist here in the U.S., it's not carte blanche. Publishers can still file lawsuits to recover damages for non-permitted copyright violations. In one legal precedent case, several textbook publishers successfully recovered millions in damages from Kinkos, a company that runs a chain of photocopying stores. Many academic instituitions & businesses here in the U.S. also pay annual copyright clearance license fees relating to reproducing educational materials.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:21:46 CEST 2009 from host-90-233-234-87.mobileonline.telia.com (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
IlkkaLocation: Nordic Countries
Subject: "But this is a music site … what's this all about?"
You are right, Peter V. - Here in Sweden Piratpartiet (Pirate Party) got one mandate in Europian Parliament. They say: Get rid of copyrights! A huge amount of youngsters under 30 years voted for them. It reminds me of Mao Tse Tung and the Culture Revolution.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:19:06 CEST 2009 from 21cust194.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
SteveI just listened to a radio program aimed at teck geeks( I know, why the fuck am I listening)and they were talking about E books and the amount of info flowing to places like Amazon that is placing a strain on the capacity of the net to deliver it. Amazon now offers a service that includes putting your info on a disk and mailing it, yes through the service provided by Newman and his gun happy friends, to Amazon. The service sometimes gets info stored at Amazon faster than sending it by the net. Everything old is indeed new again.
Peter, that would be the Green Party of Canada. I'll let them know of your impending party subscription. One warning though, our leader is a Yankee. Damn!
Brien, check out the Greens in the Iranian election, the party that is giving The Nutcake President a run for his Rial. They're not your western, Eco Green party, but they are being led by the educated young folks I mentioned last week. The results will be in this week, I think.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 18:14:19 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
bob w.There are protection devices that are operating as we discuss the issue. Amazon's model is what gave them the leg up in the market. I'm certain all of that is being considered and the mistakes that were made on the music side will surely provide great lessons in the digital text market. Those same wonderfully talented and creative people who provide our textbooks will have legal protection and viable outlets for their work. It can't work otherwise.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 17:32:07 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Peter VBTW, if anyone's thinking, "But this is a music site … what's this all about?" I'll add a bit. It's all about rewarding creative input and paying people for intellectual copyright. Musicians, like authors and TV program makers are all in the same boat here.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 17:28:35 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Peter VBy the way, hopefully Arnie will insist that DVDs of his work are loaded on the internet to provide free access for anyone who wants to watch them. And will make more movies free so they can be downloaded.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 17:25:58 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Peter VActually kids need to own textbooks. The British system where they’re issued free doesn’t work for foreign language teaching. The books get collected in every year and the next year gets issued. At the end of year five, the final exams arrive and kids only have year five’s book. In most of Europe, parents pay for books, so kids keep them and can look back. Many countries set a maximum price for textbooks for use in state-funded schools. Japan used to set it artificially low to stop foreign publishers competing, but systems are in place with maximum price levels, and publishers work towards them. They have to. If governments did more to stop piracy and photocopying, cover prices could stay lower.
The USA does not pay photocopying royalties to authors and publishers. Canada, the UK, Germany, Australia, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries all do. Photocopying is a major issue with textbooks. What no one realises is that people can’t provide high quality textbooks for free. Authors, editors, designers, illustrators, printers, paper manufacturers, truck drivers, publishers reps … we all like to put food on the table as much as the next person. A year’s school text is AT LEAST a year’s full time work for the author, plus another year part-time while it’s in house being designed, edited and illustrated. The year’s work is only possible because of ten or twenty years experience beforehand. People won’t provide this service free. You can always get “material” but it’ll be crap.
Private schools will use a wider range of options. All Arnie kept doing in the BBC speech was reiterating a saving of $350 million.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 17:15:05 CEST 2009 from 76.adsl.snet.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
E-Books can be a great way to supplement traditional paper textbooks. But quite often, homework and research requires having more than one textbook open at a time and the ability to flip back and forth quickly from one section of text to another. I can't imagine trying to do all of that on a 13" or smaller laptop type of screen. It's just too limiting for many types of study.
Reading straight text is fine on a kindle/E-Book type of device, and the ability to search for information quickly electronically is a plus....but there are many time tested benefits to paper textbooks. Plus they're recyclable! The best solution from an educational aspect is probably some combination of paper and electronic depending upon the subject matter and type of study that will result in a better educated populace. That should be the overriding concern for selecting coursework materials.
As Steve points out there are many costs associated with technology that aren't always apparent at first glance. And there aren't many technologies yet that can match the simple archival properties of paper. They may save money on printing, but the people who author & publish textbooks will figure out a way to make up the difference in licensing. It's the content that needs to be paid for. Add in the cost of upgrades, damage, and hardware failures, and the costs multiply. I highly doubt that the move will save any type of significant money in the long run.
I'm not an expert on California politics or budgets, but my hunch is that the fiscal problems are not solely a result of spending, but are also impacted by not having enough taxPAYERS. Sure, there are many people in the state, but how many of them are paying their fair share.
Looking forward to hearing about Pat's experience at the Levon show in Chicago last night. Looks like a good set list posted over at Levon's site.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 16:51:15 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
bob w.Steve, I've been back in Pennsylvania since last October. I understand the "mechanical" concerns but I don't see them as anything close to insurmountable. For instance, every book I purchase for my Kindle is easily accessed not only from the Kindle itself but is backed up at Amazon. Change is not always comfortable or convenient. Technology, to me, says possibilities. Anyone recall how long it took to send a one page fax in 1980?
For the record, I'm no Schwarzenegger fan. California's governmental problems reach well beyond this issue. The primary cause of their problems has been a horrid national immigration policy. They are strapped, pure and simple. I don't care for the timing of this initiative nor it be being linked to the financial problems of the state. It deserves a more positive position on the cultural landscape.
As for private schools, I know of two very, very good ones within a few miles of here that have already embraced the technology and are integrating it into their systems. I would be willing to bet there are countless others and, in my opinion, they are wise to be doing so. Has anyone seen a recent pricelist for college texts?
Like I said earlier, I hope I am lucky enough to see where we are on issues like this one ten years from now. I think the last link I posted from the UK's TIMESONLINE article made some excellent points. Soundtracks for books? There are a lot of folks here who could carve out a very nice second career in that field. And if you don't care for the one that comes along with your book well hell, make one of your own!
Entered at Wed Jun 10 16:17:31 CEST 2009 from 21cust158.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
SteveSubject: Back To The Future
Bob, I'm just having a little fun with you, hope you don't mind, after all it's not you making this decision, which of course is old by eastern standards, maybe the news just hasn't reached the west yet? What year is it out there anyway?
If you google Eastern Townships laptop education you'll get some idea of what we had as an E Education program, just don't believe what you read by Dennis McCullough the "visionary" who initiated the fiasco. McCullough and I had it out on the letters to the editor page in The Sherbrooke Record over 3 years. McCollough's now gone, mostly because of the lap top program and the $10,000,000 debt that the program left the school board.
Here's just a few pitfalls you can tell Arnie about before he terminates all the books.
Our school board gave every kid from grade 3 to seniors in high school a fancy new Apple I-Book. Cost, about $500.00 per unit( about the price of that new DX edition of the Kindle) with a three year repair warranty.
The kids loved them. Little boys, the 8 to 10 year olds found that they made wonderful shields in snowball fights as well as a great source of downloadable movies.
Older kids loved the ability to chat on line with their pals all over the school. It gave the teachers and administration a whole new area to police in their spare time.
The technology actually can work quite well in class and at home for taking notes and doing research and projects and the kids really get good at typing quickly.
BUT as Pee Wee says," There's always a big butt". Even the older students who looked after the machines had serious problems. My daughter's I Book crashed during her last week in high school taking her whole years' work, including her study notes for upcoming exams into the black hole where such material collects.
She wasn't the only one of course. Our boys' I books were always in the shop. Parents have to sign a form saying they'll pay to have the screen replaced or fixed since it wasn't covered in the warranty. That can cost a couple of hundred buckeroos.
Finally when the warranty expired so did many of the I Books. The cost to the schools to maintain a person on staff to do all the repairs was just too much.
Now the surviving I Books are limited to the older kids where the books had a better rate of survival.
Paper books are quietly making a return to many classrooms. The good news is that the books are all new and updated versions of the ones that were scrapped in the heady days of the arrival of The I Books.
Ironically, now the school board now only profits from the I Books by hustling them for Apple to other school boards. Last fall a school board in Denver paid for several "experts" from our board to fly to Denver for a weekend to give a presentation to members of their board on the massive benefits of E Education. The story was fodder for many locals to fill the "Letters To The Editor" page for another week, a year or so after it had died as a hot story here.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 16:13:33 CEST 2009 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
David P.Subject: Shoot the messenger
The Terminator is not motivated by a desire to be an innovator in education, but rather to drastically slash funds for public education. The root of the problem is not with the use of books as a medium, but with the outrageous costs created by the textbook market. In recent years, textbook prices have risen 186%. If the companies that control the textbook market can demand such prices, what do you think they'll start charging to convert their products to electronic digital versions? Just my two cents.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 15:57:06 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
bob w.Web: My link
Peter, it is the future. An inter-active reading experience doesn't have to be classified as yet. The numbers are all out there for everyone to see. The governor of California is not the trend setter here. This technology has been growing rapidly over several years. There are many writers embracing it. Your own country's schools are moving in this direction as well.
I embrace change and believe that current conditions will drive some of that change down good paths. No one seems to be complaining about our ability to have this discussion over thousands of miles and share it with guests from all over the planet. How can we discuss our PCs, our laptops, our e-readers, our multi-thousand CD collections, our i-phones, our MP3 players, our GPS and expect that the world of printed information will never change?
I say make it good and make it accessible to everyone. I believe both are completely feasible.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 15:22:04 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Peter VYes, Bob, it's called a movie, or a video game.
I heard Arnie had auditioned for a role in the remake of Fahrenheit 451, but didn’t get it because they wanted somebody who could speak English. Basically, one of the richest areas on the entire planet has been misgoverned to the extent that it can’t afford to fund its public schools because it’s broke. That’s because the powers that govern in it have failed to raise enough revenues to provide essential services. Education is an essential service. Children need to possess copies of books so they can review, work at their own pace etc. A comment on this initiative in today’s paper said:
“One reason the textbook has stood the test of time is because it actually does its job supremely well. If you’re a parent who has spent an evening on the computer with your child looking for a reliable account of Henry VIII that doesn’t feature a soft-porn Anne Boleyn in a red bustier, you’ll know how dire the alternative can be.”
It doesn’t matter to the likes of Arnie because his nearest and dearest won’t be anywhere near the public school system. And believe me, the elite private schools will continue to use books. That comes of a state electing not just one, but two third-rate ham actors to high office in recent years. It's only a bad actor who would dream f trying to pass it off as a green initiative. My son, by the way, is a California resident.
Next comes health. Phew! Next thing you know, I'll be joining Steve's politcal party!
Entered at Wed Jun 10 15:14:52 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
bob w.Web: My link
And for the investors out there, check out the projections.
I can't help but think of the amazing possibilities for the next generation of writers and readers. Writers will be able to produce a multi-media experience to tell their stories using print, music and all levels of graphic display. The possibilities are endless.
Steve, I missed your question earlier. If digital text "kills" books the way TV killed movies evryone will be just fine. I've been on record concerning the e-readers and I think personal devices of this sort are clearly the future. The technology is moving rapidly with full color and audio capabilities growing by leaps and bounds.
If the fates permit I will be very curious to see where this has taken us in ten years time.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 14:35:44 CEST 2009 from host-90-233-147-87.mobileonline.telia.com (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
IlkkaLocation: Nordic Countries
Subject: New web site for Jonas Fjeld - FlashPlayer/ Nationality contra language
Always nice to put Mr. Hoiberg at nightschool :-))))
I visited this particular website but I was "welcomed" with this hysteric message: "Get FlashPlayer, GET FLASH PLAYER, GET FLASH PLAYER!!!" By all means I can get FlashPlayer but there are Open Source alternatives, too. Never mentioned on this website. Mr. Hoiberg must be aware that many of harmful codes are distributed with FlashPlayer.
Union Jack representing English language? It is VERY DANGEROUS to combine the language with states. In the 19th century the idea of nationality and the language was invented. The indepented state of Norway was born and Finland got the autonomy (under supervision of Russia). But language + state, NEVER! - At least there was not US flag.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 14:31:47 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
bob w.As for the fate of companies who can't (or won't) react to change.....see General Motors.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 14:31:37 CEST 2009 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Brien SzWeb: My link
Subject: Something Completely Different
A friend sent this link - it's kinda funny/stupid - a spoof on Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 14:24:18 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
bob w.It will eventually be all books. They are beginning the program at the high school level with science and math texts. It is a huge cost savings, a green initiative and a logical progression for the available technologies.
California is just the beginning.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 13:39:32 CEST 2009 from 21cust120.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
SteveYes, Bob, it's inevitable, digital text will replace books in much the same way TV has killed movies. What will they replace textbooks with? Laptops, kindles?
Entered at Wed Jun 10 12:37:47 CEST 2009 from 21cust103.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
SteveHoskyns, who listed some obviously NOT CANADIANS in his list of Canadians "who've looked at what makes the American imagination tick", maybe, is less than accurate in his book, therefore, maybe, Robbie didn't actually say some of the silly things about Le Grand Derangement that are attributed to him. David, clear yet?
Man, I'm going back to dissing old, J2RS, I get less flack.
At least no one has started shouting, Pee Wee, there is no basement in the Alamo, yet. I'm hoping Kevin gets here before that happens.
Kevin, in no way am I comparing you to, Pee Wee, but the earlier post was aimed at you. All will be revealed.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 06:58:30 CEST 2009 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Peter VI heard Arnie's speech on BBC Radio 4 … he said "all books in all subjects" because he said explicitly textbooks are "too expensive for the State of California", which as we know ranks between Equatorial Guinea and Paraguay in per capita income. His critic, also Californian, immediately pointed out that the poor will suffer, and slower learners will suffer, and justified it at length. Publishers will get a shock. It's the USA's largest market. The other 49 states will benefit greatly, as California's stringent PC guidelines ruin most textbooks before they get published.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 03:24:30 CEST 2009 from (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
David P.Steve: I re-read your earlier, completely disjointed post dude. Without proper attribution or quotation marks, I still can't tell who said what, or what the hell was the point you were attempting to convey.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 02:26:57 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
bob w.Line 4...... "have" should be "has".
That could turn up as an album title some day.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 02:04:59 CEST 2009 from pool-71-246-5-95.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
bob w.Subject: Ahhhhnold
While I disagree with Schwarzenegger's timing, the transition to digital text is inevitable. As I understand it they will begin with high school math and science books which seems to be a logical and safe place to begin. With California as home to thousands of computer technology companies it all seems pretty logical that this would come to pass. Having lived there the past five years I was frequently reminded that there have been a long list of "trends" that began there, migrated east and took root.
Personally, I believe literacy has a much better shot at survival because of digital technologies.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 01:50:06 CEST 2009 from 21cust17.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
SteveKevin, come on J2RS hadn't been acquainted with Ian Tyson, Neil Young, or Gordo's music by 71. In 71 my buddies, Barry Kaye and David Glass, did a splendid rendition of The Canadian Railroad Trilogy in our high schools' talent show. Everyone in the audience was singing along during the chorus. J2RS knew it.
Entered at Wed Jun 10 00:56:25 CEST 2009 from blk-222-220-73.eastlink.ca (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
joe jSubject: Fjeld site
I just checked out the Jonas Fjeld site (see What's New which you should all have bookmarked anyway). Check out the half hour doc on the trio. Fluency in Norwegian not necessary.
Let's Go Wings.
Entered at Tue Jun 9 23:41:43 CEST 2009 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Bill MWeb: My link
Subject: Shakin' Up North
Kevin J: The link above should take you to the page of the Bear Family Records site flogging a praiseworthy compilation of early Canuck rockers - most from the late '50s, with two, #21 and #30, going back to '56. Well worth ordering. Lenny Breau does a nice rockabilly lead on #5 - recorded not long before he recorded with Rick and Levon in Toronto.
Entered at Tue Jun 9 23:16:54 CEST 2009 from 21cust210.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
SteveClaire, for a Band connection, Galbraith, was born in the neighboring county to that guy Rick Danko. That's a pretty nice connection, eh?
Entered at Tue Jun 9 22:58:08 CEST 2009 from 21cust200.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by: