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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, June 2009


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: bob w

Thanks for those links. Jackson Browne always makes me sad. Even when he's doing an "up" tune.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Landmark: Yes indeed - that's him and his wife Laurel Ward (another alum of Hair and Dr Music) - the biggest of a series of minor hits, including "Back Up Against Your Persuasion", which still garners oldies airplay. Not to be confused with Montrealer Patsy Gallant's "From New York To LA". Band link: Patsy was/is? married to Dwayne Ford of Atkinson Danko and Ford (aka Bearfoot).

Terry Black got his contract in LA (with Tollie, one of the Beatles' first US labels) on the back of his first Canuck-only record, "Sinner Man" / "Dry Bones". I'm sure his "Sinner Man" was okay, but nobody's version could possibly top Nina Simone's (see link).


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Posted by:

Landmark

Subject: Montreal

Yes I do remember Terry Black. Didn't he also do a duet on "On The Road To L.A."? I'm not sure about the title but its one that I always groan when I hear it. Also liked yesterday's inference to Woodbine. 4 more weeks till Opening Day at The Spa.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Not only did 89-year-old Hamilton singer Jackie Washington pass away the other day (see link), so did '60s pop singer Terry Black. ("Unless You Care" was his big hit, though he was also said to have played the young Elvis Presley character in one of Elvis' films of the mid '60s.) Black, from Vancouver, had a nice run of minor hits produced in LA by Sloan and Barri - some with noteworthy drumming by Hal Blaine, before returning to Canada (quite possibly ahead of the US draft, as a Green Card made you eligible) and found a place on the stage of "Hair" and then its spawn, the gospel-rock band/choir known as Dr Music. (Landmark knows their second hit, "One More Mountain To Climb" by heart; Black is the mid-range mail voice, former Robbie colleague Steve Kennedy is the high mail voice, "The Colour Purple" co-scorer Brenda Russell is the lead female voice.)

That reminds me - Brenda Russell, also from Hamilton, once co-fronted the Soul Children along with Jackie Washington's brother Bobby (who also played bass) and former auxilliary Hawk, Eugene Smith. I think they opened for the Band at one of the big '69/'70 festivals in Toronto.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Elvis C

Dlew: Elvis C has a show he’s been doing over here called Spectacle which is about the best music/talk show seen on television in years….a nice mix of talk and performance…..given the absolute crap that now passes for content on “Music Television” ( this week on VH1 there was a show called top 10 celebrity babies – I kid you not!! ) the Costello show is heaven sent…………..that all said…my only quibble with the whole deal is Elvis’s insistence on jumping in on just about all the performances……..he’s like that brat whose parents never explained the concept of limitation……. at the height of his fame someone had the bright idea of having him share vocals with one of the great singers ever in George Jones and this seems to have fueled a pattern of behavior that “I can do anything with anybody in any area”…….well yes you can – but God help us - you shouldn’t!!.....................

bob w: great links!


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Just one more.....

The wonderful simplicity of just two instruments, a beautiful voice and a great composition.

David Lindley has a Garth Hudson like quality.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

"And I thought that it would kill me but......I'm alive."


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Posted by:

Steve

Friend0, then of course if Levon keeps this up we're going to have to start referring to him as a drumming, singer -songwriter. The man's been writing songs for close to half a century. What stamina, but he's always said he's in it for the long run. I guess we should wait a little before we start reviewing his career. He is the master at setting a steady pace.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Well, amazon.uk notified me that Electric Dirt was on its way on Sunday (with a price reduction to £8.98) so I was hoping for it this morning, but it didn't arrive.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Bill M., Kevin J. (On Separate subjects)

Bill: Of course, Ray Davies also mentions the quintessential British Hero and his enemy in 'Village Green': 'Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty'...
Kevin: Costello, eh? going against the grain, though I notice that there are less 'return to form' albums, and more 'disappointing follow-ups'. Costello, last year, played the Sydney Opera House for the Festival fo Sydney. i didn't go - the reviewers said he essentially tried too much. Of course, 1 Australian reviewer is worth about half a Greil Marcus (and my antipathy for Mr Marcus's work has been documented), but he did a classical night, a rock night, a pop night, and a jazz night, so they might have got it right, for once. The Clash - posed as left-wingers, but in fact weren't - I feel the same way about them. (I don't mind what an artists' politics are, in general, but I appreciate honesty...)


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Wonders Never Cease

Don't it just make you scratch your head and wonder?

Despite all the years that Peter has bitched, moaned, essayed and intellectualized about how the set lists show The Reformed Band played "Stuff You Gotta Watch" and other blues and r & b songs to death, and how that contributed to their being little more than an oldies act ( of course, for the sake of brevity I'm leaving out alot), levon had the audacity to include "Stuff You Gotta Watch" on "Electric Dirt.

Motherfucker. Don't know what got into that man.

To add insult to injury, the critics seem to be in agreement with Levon's choice. God damn if Levon's rendition of Muddy's song ain't getting a lot of type.

Sheesh, Peter, times getting hard on an expert.


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Posted by:

Little Brøther

Location: Way Back When
Web: My link

Subject: Life Imitating Art

Is it possible for a fan of The Band to read this AP wire report...

Woman on tracks to 'clear her mind' hit by train

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Birmingham police said a 22-year-old woman has suffered a broken leg after being hit by a train. Officer Lawrence Billups said the woman told police she was lying on the tracks "to clear her mind" when the train approached around 7 a.m. Sunday. [...]

... and not think:

"♪ Rag Mama Rag, I can't believe it's true.

Rag Mama Rag, a-what did you do?

I crawled up to the railroad track,

Let the four nineteen scratch my back. ♪"

??? ;)


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: NY Times review of Elecric Dirt

Critics choice review.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: flatland truckers

Last week, we snagged 4th-row centre seats (in the lovely old Pantages vaudeville house) for the Derek Trucks Band's "preview" concert for the Winnipeg Jazz Festival.

Much as I enjoyed the headliners, I was especially tickled when the opener (local good ol' gal Romi Mayes) introduced _her_ band - the Weber Brothers. A real joy for the ears and eyes. And Mr. Trucks was nice enough to bring Sam Weber up for the encore.

I knew it was gonna be a good evening when we entered the hall and "Life is a Carnival" was playing over the PA . . . .


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: If it's the sort of stuff that renders you childlike, you might take your copy of "Readaloud Train Stories" with you and consider how "The Little Engine that Could" finds its echo in "Just Another Whistle Stop".


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: that missing clipping from the Toronto Star ...

"'Whispering Pines' is a Richard Manuel song from The Band's self-titled second album. It is also both a case study and the source of a title for Waterloo-based rock writer Jason Schneider's examination of the outsized influence of Canadian songwriters, 'Whispering Pines: The Northern Roots of American Music ... from Hank Snow to the Band' (ECW Press, 347 pages, $28.95)."


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Ray Davies/Bill M

Bill M: I plan on being high in about 3 hours....could I have your 2nd literary/ rock theory then………………


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: new book takes title from Richard Manuel song ...

Saturday's Toronto Star had a short, but very positive review of a new book titled "Whispering Pines: The Northern Roots of American Music ... from Hank Snow to the Band" (see link). Unfortunately I can't find the clipping or I would've typed in the whole piece. Landmark might like to keep in mind that searching on "Whispering Pines" at the Toronto Star site, while failing to yield the review, did turn up a decent thoroughbred running at Woodbine.

For whatever reason, I'd read the short reviews in reverse order so was first taken by the appearance of another new book, "Don Messer: The Man Behind the Music". Oddly enough, while Messer's not someone who comes to mind all that often, just the day before I was thinking of him via Fred McKenna, whose version of "Who Spit Tobacco On Bessie's Wedding Gown?" was called to mind by song on a Backstabbers CD I'd been listening to.

To switch gears, thinking about all the recent Kinks posts I recalled what was likely my first literary / rock theory: that Ray Davies was channelling Baroness Orczy for at least some of his great late '60s songs. "They seek him here, they seek him there" in "Dedicated Follower Of Fashion" is clearly lifted from "The Scarlet Pimpernel", as is the vacuous voice speaking the song title in the choruses. There's also "Dandy". I can imagine Ray, by nature a lower-middle geek, seeing himself as the outwardly foppish but secretly heroic Percy (a name for a rock mini-opera!) Blakeney. I know Ray wasn't a Bonzo, but "Mr Apollo" also springs to mind: "I was once a seven-stone weakling but now I'm two separate gorillas".


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Lord Help me

No justice in this world – take 1,000,000………Levon Helm puts out a great album and it sells – what 50,000 copies ( ? ).....5 fats guys in Hawaiian Shirts with bad tans put out something called Chickenshit and it sells 180,000 copies in the first week!!!!!!!!!!!! Say it ain’t so Joe…..hopefully you will quit once you cash the Coldplay cheque!


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Posted by:

Serenity

Sorry about this copy & paste, but it came in my personal e-mail so didn't page it.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Rock legends form new band, call it Chickenfoot

1 hour, 23 minutes ago

By Mike Collett-White

LONDON (Reuters) - Some of the biggest names in rock have banded together to form a new supergroup. They call it Chickenfoot, a name they readily admit is "silly."

While the name may not be to everyone's taste, Van Halen veterans Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony, Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer Chad Smith and virtuoso guitarist Joe Satriani rose high in the U.S. charts with their eponymous debut album this month.

"We called ourselves Chickenfoot as a kind of a joke, and people started digging it, and so Chad's going, 'Let's start a real band'," Hagar said during a boisterous interview with the band in London, where they performed during a European tour.

"Joe had a band called the Squares -- all of a sudden Chickenfoot sounded like a really good name," Hagar joked.

Hagar and Anthony used to jam together at Hagar's club in Mexico, and when Smith joined them, they gelled. Smith, who still plays for the Chili Peppers, suggested forming a group, and Satriani was invited as the final piece in the jigsaw.

The four members of Chickenfoot have sold tens of millions of records and played thousands of gigs between them over the years, but the childlike enthusiasm for their latest venture comes from starting all over again.

"We're a new band, even though we've got names, we've all been in other bands," Hagar told Reuters. "So we have to kind of let the world know who Chickenfoot is, I think."

Bass player Anthony added that he took exception to the term "supergroup."

"For me, when I hear the name supergroup I think of some pre-fab type of thing ... If the chemistry is not there you can be the best musicians, best players there are, it's not going to come out the way I think this came out.

"This was born out of friendship, it was more organic in that sense."

The band has played a series of small gigs in the United States before flying to Europe for a tour, and returns to North America winding up its travels at the end of September.

"We're a new band and when you're a new band you start and play clubs and you play to your fans," said Smith. "We're not playing stuff from Van Halen, or Joe, or Chili Peppers, we're just playing Chickenfoot."

CHART SUCCESS

Chickenfoot's debut album, released earlier in June, opened at No. 4 in the U.S. pop chart and No. 1 in the independent music chart. It maintained its position in the main chart the following week before slipping to No. 7 in the latest list.

"It's the first time I've ever been up in that territory, above the clouds," said Satriani, who is embroiled in a copyright infringement suit with British band Coldplay over its hit single "Viva La Vida."

According to band manager Mick Brigden, U.S. album sales totaled around 180,000 in the first three weeks, around one quarter of which were bought digitally, suggesting a younger, technology-savvie audience.

"A lot of times, before a record comes out, there are projections about who your audience is and where you're going to see sales, so that was a great surprise because it means that we are appealing to truly a broad audience," said Smith.

The quartet confirmed that it planned to tour and record together again in the future, although Smith would have to juggle Chickenfoot and Chili Peppers commitments.

"I am in this other group called the Red Hot Chili Peppers, great band, love 'em, nice bunch of fellas', play some good music. So I'm going to go back and do that."

(Editing by Paul Casciato)

CYA xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: LEVON

Just rec'd this in my e-mails. Thought I would pass it along. I will post the night that Dave Letterman has him on as early as I can.

Dave's All-Stars

A LATE SHOW Baby

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY: Best wishes for a very happy and safe Fourth of July holiday to all of our viewers. Dave returns with new shows on Monday, July 6th. Don't miss the star-studded fireworks in the coming weeks, as Dave welcomes Bruno, Hayden Panettiere, Queen Latifah, Harry Potter's Daniel Radcliffe & Emma Watson, Jonah Hill, Katherine Heigl and Kevin Spacey, plus musical guests such as Rob Thomas, Wilco, Kelly Clarkson, Levon Helm, The Flatlanders and more...

BEG: Love the links.

GUYS: Wonderful posts.

How about that creep, Bernie Madoff sentenced to 150 years in jail? Guess he won't be ruining any more lives.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo

TAKE CARE all. LUVYA and miss you lots.



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: dlew

On the subject of being fortunate to have an appearance filmed/televised, etc. I wonder how history may have been changed had the camera not been rolling at that Motown 25th anniversary party to capture MJ’s out of this world Billy Jean in 1983….other than the Beatles on Ed Sullivan……has there ever been a more compelling/ “where were you when you saw it” moment of music on TV? Had TLW not been filmed – would any of us be here now discussing a defunct band 33 years later?

dlew: The King I referred to was, of course, Don not BB……..by the way your question of what albums did we once really like and now have trouble listening to……..London Calling by The Clash is one that doesn’t hold up at all for me...….the title song does but the rest just doesn’t the way it once did….I would put most of the Elvis Costello in the same category……..other than that most of the albums I once loved I still do…..same with movies – exception being Ben Hur which I was sure was a masterpiece when first viewed as a 10 year old….not so much as seen years later on VHS…..


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Posted by:

Mike

Levon rec'd a brief shoutout in the recent "Rolling Stone" Gregg Allman interview / article relative to the Beacon shows.

A couple of "Rolling Stone" issues prior, Rick rec'd a song writing credit ("Wheel's on Fire") in the Bob Dylan interview / article.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Monterey Pop Festival

Albert Grossman was at Monterey in '67, as two of his acts, Paul Butterfield's band and Electric Flag, performed. In another pivotal move, he also convinced Janis Joplin & Big Brother to sign with him. The group was trying to decide whether or not to let D.A. Pennebaker film their performance and sought Grossman's advice. His recommendation to allow filming was crucial, as Ms. Joplin's electrifying appearance catapulted her career.

In contrast, many still wonder about the decision, a year later at Woodstock, not to allow The Band's performance to be included in the film.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: NY radio station to feature Levon Helm music all day tomorrow.

Thanks to Rick S. of Suffern, NY for the heads up:

"Levon Helm's music is being featured all day on WFUV (90.7 FM, Fordham U. Radio- Bronx, New York City) on Tuesday June 30th between 6 AM and 9 PM. This includes his music with and without The Band. This is in celebration of his new release, "Electric Dirt", on Tuesday. WFUV has a live stream- www.wfuv.org (go to home page and at top click "Listen Live")."


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Wiyos Strawberry Wine

I'll try that link again. It didn't post last night. No connection to the Band song of the same name.

This Wiyos thing might not go far. My missus has already threatened me with grievous bodily harm if I don't stop singing 'Cornbread & Butterbeans'.

On another note I was doing some early morning weeding when my next door neighbour brought his accordion out on the porch and treated me to an impromptu performance. Certainly made the chores a whole lot more agreeable.

"I'm eatin cornbread and makin love as long as I am able...." This thing just won't quit.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: 3 out of five?

Will Levon win another Grammy? Whereas his last one was deserved, no matter the competition, I think Electric Dirt is up against more albums. I mean, I'm sure tehy don' care: it's just something else to put on the shelf, and i looks like it's as good as it can be - (which is great). But I wonder - can lightning strike twice?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Short Hills New Jersey / Richie Furay

People in some parts of jersey, and Pennsylvania, even New Yorkers, this is a good oportunity to see Richie Furay in a small venue. The Chamber Of Commerce is putting this show on.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Carolina Choclate Drops

Been around a good while now. Youtube em, Hit Em Up Style and Memphis Shakedown are excellent. A hot band, actually infectious energy.

Flemons plays here pretty often at Terra Blues, and i thought i recalled him living in the Bronx or something.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Strawberry Wine

More of the same. Your basic old weird America.

Maybe I have been smokin something.


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Cornbread and Butterbeans

Apparently these guys, The Wiyos, are opening for Dylan this summer. Wish they were playing at my local.


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Posted by:

Jack

Subject: Jersey Girl / The Band At Monterey Pop? Not

Jersey Girl. The Band did not perform at Monterey Pop. They didn't to their first official gig as "The Band; until Winterland. Look at the picture carefully. Richard has a full beard; which he didn't have as yet and Robertson's hair is way too long for the time. Check the Landy photos of the era. I believe this photo to be taken a few years later. They were still in the Basement Tapes stage in 1967.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: 1 more, this one from Allmusic

Sorry, I still don't know how to post a link -

Review by Mark Deming

In a musical career that has spanned six decades, Levon Helm has made more than a few excellent albums working with other folks -- most notably as drummer and vocalist with the Band, as well as backing Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Muddy Waters, John Martyn, Rufus Wainwright, and literally dozens of others. But as a solo artist, Helm's record has been considerably spottier, with well-intended disappointments outnumbering genuine successes, so it's good to report that at the age of 69, Helm has found his second wind as a recording artist, cutting two of his most satisfying solo sets in a row. Following 2007's excellent Dirt Farmer, Electric Dirt is every bit as impressive and finds him sounding even stronger than he did on that comeback set. Dirt Farmer was Helm's first album after a bout with throat cancer nearly silenced him, and his vocals sounded firmly committed but just a bit strained; two years on, Helm's voice is nearly as supple as it was during his days with the Band, and even when it shows signs of wear and tear, his sense of phrasing and his ability to bring the characters in these songs to life are as good as they've ever been.

While Dirt Farmer leaned toward acoustic music in the Appalachian tradition, Electric Dirt aims for a broader and more eclectic sound; "Golden Bird" sounds as if it could have been gleaned from the Harry Smith anthology, but the opening cover of the Grateful Dead's "Tennessee Jed" swings with a solid New Orleans groove like an outtake from the Rock of Ages concerts, a pair of Muddy Waters numbers are subtle but passionate acoustic blues, "I Wish I Knew How It Would Feel to Be Free" is joyous gospel-infused R&B, and "White Dove" is fervent and heartfelt traditional country. Larry Campbell, who co-produced Dirt Farmer, returned for these sessions, as did most of the same band, bringing a similarly organic touch to the music, and the bigger sound of this album seems to suit everyone involved, with Helm's drumming sounding especially lively and well-grounded. And though Helm only wrote two songs for this album, they're two good ones, especially "Growin' Trade," a tale of an aging farmer who has taken to raising marijuana, and what could easily have been played as a joke is a moving account of one man's conscience as it wrestles with his heritage and love of the land. Not unlike his old buddy Bob Dylan from Time Out of Mind onward, Levon Helm seems to have rediscovered his knack for making great records in what some might have imagined would be the latter days of his career; Electric Dirt sounds fresh, emphatic, and as effective as anything Levon has cut since the mid-'70s, and one can only hope he has a few more discs in him just this good.

Tracks Title Composer Time 1 Tennessee Jed Garcia, Hunter 5:58 2 Move Along Train Staples 3:22 3 Growin' Trade Campbell, Helm 4:22 4 Golden Bird Traum 5:11 5 Stuff You Gotta Watch Morganfield 3:38 6 White Dove Stanley 3:29 7 Kingfish Newman 4:24 8 You Can't Lose What You Ain't Never HadMorganfield 4:01 9 When I Go Away Campbell 4:32 10 Heaven's Pearls Helm, Isaacs, Leone, McBain ... 4:10 11 I Wish I Knew How It Would Feel to Be FreeLamb,Taylor3:25


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Electric dirt

Link to the Sunday Times short review today.


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Posted by:

Hans Tiger Smits

Location: The Netherlands

Subject: Promotion

Hans Tiger Smits (Songwriter/Producer)from the Netherlands. I am searching for new contacts for my New Talent: (And searching for new Acts ) Now we got: Morning Glory(NL) Rushlette(Italy) Hermien Swart (NL) Jessica Sina(Italy) Barry Nice and the Nice Guy 's (NL) TRINITY (USA) Strengholt Music Compagny (Composers/Page/6) Hans Tiger Smits Contact: sir_baron@live.nl +31.582572233


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Subject: Electric Dirt Review in Rolling Stone

Rolling Stone Review: 4 stars. Issue 1082/1083, July 9-23, 2009, page 80.

Would have liked to have seen Greg Allman on the cover instead of the Jonas Bros. Fairly good article on Greg, "The Last Redneck, Hippie, Soulman."

J.F.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Syracuse Gigantadome

Its actually named the Carrier Dome, Pat(unless you were just punning), located in the heart of the SU campus. The air conditioning behometh was a large presence in this area for a long time but the familiar story of globalization & downsizing took place & they;re merely a shadow on the landscape now. Irony is that the - Carrier -dome isnt airconditioned & is almost unusable in the Summer. Even later in the lacrosse season & the annual commencement ceremonies in late May can be pretty uncomfortable. But as for the show which you cited : I'd be interested in hearing it if its floating around. I was real disappointed when I attended it. The same problems as have been discussed re that entire first regrouping - too many musicians, Rick didnt play bass, Garth was off &/or sidestage more than he was on, needless extra backup singers, no new material other than the coverswhich began that trend. Richard was really on, but it wasnt The Band even though all 4 were there. The place is huge - holds like 60 or 70,000 for a concert&it was pretty full,so no intimacy of course(despite I made it up close to the stage for the Band's set)&, it wasnt their show. It wasnt the worst show I saw of the various reformed Bands, but, it was unspecial which was of course disappointing to me. Other than a show afew months earlier, it was my first Band show since 76& like many I never really considered that they'd regroup. Now on the contrary, re that previous show - they headlined an all day outdoor show with several openers near Syracuse afew months earlier, on Memorial Day. Richard(who I was pleasantly suprised to see so healthy&happy appearing)&Garth were BOTH real on, & though Rick again mostly played an acoustic guitar I distinctly recall that the Cates didnt do much backup singing. It was more of a The Band sound. No new material that day but they played a couple Jesse James cuts, which was suprising(of course they played One More Shot every now&then throughout the rest of their touring days). A lot of factors likely made it a good show - great atmosphere, great weather,good sound etc, & it was their show.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Ticket For Tibet - "Als Je Ooit Nog Eens Terug Kan"

Tibet song


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Menopause

Man from Nordic Countries, first time I've seen the word , menopause, in the GB. Toothed whales, like Orca and Sperm Whales, along with elephants are the only other species on our great planet that go through menopause.

They're also species where mama rules. Usually females of most other species die shortly after passing reproductive age but these whales and elephants pass through menopause, like women, at about the halfway point of life. They then spend their time passing on information and arbitrating disputes.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Songwriting

Link: bundle of interesting songwritng tubes.

Ilkka, that all changed over the years and the 2006 soccer WC in Germany did the rest. And I'll tell you a secret my friend, the people here may look a bit different, talk different and drive a little faster, but I've studied them a few years closely now and have come to the conclusion that under this different “suit” they are exactly same as the ones that walk around in Holland! They laugh and cry sometimes, succeed and fail sometimes, are great and small sometimes, and are mostly helpful and caring, just like those a few miles up the road west …. I did the same in France and yes …..

Anyway of course we have the better soccer team , then again their cars are better. …


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Subject: ... and 3.)

3.) Thanks "Ruskeasilmäinen Tyttö" (Brown Eyed Girl in Finnish) for your post on The Band and Dylan. In this part of the world most rock enthusiasts (55+ male and female menopause, that is :) connect The Band with Dylan with The Band with Dylan with The Band with Dylan with The Band with Dylan.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: 1. ) Linguistic 2.) BMW

1.) Thanks Peter V for the posts on linguistic. 2.) Norbert wrote: "A nobel initiative, I love this country." It is totally strange for me that a Dutchman loves Germany,(btw I was in Holland yesterday.) It is as strange as a Finn loving Sweden (...ooooops ;-)


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Posted by:

Pat B

The photos are from Watkins Glen. The Dead's Wall of Sound is clearly visible behind them. The stage cover is the same one at WG. And I believe those are the clothes they wore at WG.

They weren't at Monterey in the summer of 67. They were at BP with Dylan, making history.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan and The Band!

You say you love me

And you're thinkin' of me,

But you know you could be wrong.

You say you told me

That you wanna hold me,

But you know you're not that strong.

I just can't do what I done before,

I just can't beg you any more.

I'm gonna let you pass

And I'll go last.

Then time will tell just who fell

And who's been left behind,

When you go your way and I go mine.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Band photos.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm and Terry Sheridan.

I've been reading _Encounters With Bob Dylan_ (If You See Him, Say Hello)


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Posted by:

Steve

Dave I don't think it's the 74 tour, Robbie and Garth don't quite look like they do in the pictures of the 74 and Richard's beard isn't what he was sporting on the 74 tour. It looks like 70/71 to me.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks for the photos JG. I thought the back side of Rick was Robbie in one photo. ;-D

Different photos of The Band at TLW by Bo Shannon but this time in colour.

Hi back Joan and Deeee!


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Posted by:

Calvin

Interesting to here someone say they hope Dave is fully recovered as they have never gotten to see the Kinks. Ray has said countless times over the years that the Kinks ended when Pete Quaife left the band. When it was no longer the original foursome it was just some people using the name.

In fact Ive read several places that that 8 guys who passed through the Kinks replacing Quaife, Mick Avory and the added on keyboardist where always paid a salary, even though a couple of them lasted around a decade or more. Jim Rodford was the Bassist for 18 years and has said he's makes more money off Argent than he does the Kinks.

Quaife was an interesting member of the Kinks. As he was seemingly the only member of than band who could tell Ray he was out of line, or just had a stupid idea and Ray would listen, or be forced to. On the other hand Ray's musical abilities where allowed to take flight in a way that Quaife's grounded presence might never had allowed.

Dave has actually been trying to talk Pete, Mick and Ray into performing together again for a couple of years now. Although Pete seems to have little interest. In fact he qas quoted on a Biography of the Kinks as essentially saying no way in hell would he ever go on a tour with the Kinks. But then he has published a few books, had more than a few gallery shows of his painting and been a fairly successful graphic artist. So why at 65 would he want to take to the road for an oldies tour? Funny thing, he was a clear spokesman for the band early on until a motorcycle accident sidelined him for about 6 months, and 1 album, around 1966. By the time he got back it was Ray's band and no longer a group. Funny thing is Ray seems to not realize what happened.

The Kinks have an odd history-not the least is they probably are the only group that has a performing groups made up of ex-members. THe Kast Off Kinks. 7 of the 10 Kinks whose last name isnt Davies has performed with the group.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

No way that's Monterey. I'll guess either the '74 tour with Dylan or the CSNY tour that summer.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Band photos

I'm not an expert, but I don't think they were at Montery. Certainly not playing. I doubt they were in the audience. Was Levon back yet? Kind of confusing. But great photos.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Monterey...

Hm. "The Band" played their first gig as TB in SF in 69...


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Posted by:

bob w.

JG, I think Mr. Anthony may be confused.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Joni James - Autumn Nocturne

Or was it Sonny Rollins, I'm getting old.

Annyway enjoy your Saturday evening, be nice to the ones you love and don't drink too much.(a beautiful summer evening in Germany now, back to the garden and the cold beers, cheers)


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Posted by:

Far East Man

BEG - Those photo's have a 70's feel.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Web: My link

Subject: second Band photo from Monterey Pop

The other photo is linked above.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Web: My link

Subject: Monterey Pop Band photos

Wolfgang's Vault is featuring Summer of Love photos from Gene Anthony. There are two of The Band at Monterey Pop in June of '67 that I don't recall ever seeing before, although I'm sure some of you have. One is linked above. I'll have to do the second one separately.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Charlie, I believe the Dead's people recorded the Band at least 5 times, maybe more.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: dlew's celestial train

A lovely idea, dlew, but I think Etta James would be really surprised to wake up in the morning dead. (Band connection!)


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: The Mud, The Blood and The Beer

Never forget beer, the third component in the triumvirate of essences that makes man tick. Actually, clay is a poor man making material, no grit. Better to go with a sandy/loam mix.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Musical Heavan

MJ's death also makes this old atheist think about the various rooms in musical heaven - a little bit like the Festival Express train:

For example, there's michael jackson with James Brown, James Jamerson, Pops Staples, Fats on Piano, that great drummer who played on 'You've lost that lovin' feelin'', and a fantastic horn section, with perhaps Jimi Hendrix on rhythm...

Then we move to Freddie Mercury, Marc Bolan, Mick Ronson, John Entwhistle and John Bonham ...

Rick, Richard, Janis, Jerry Garcia in the next room

Ray Charles, Muddy Waters, Etta James ...

Feel fre to fill in the gaps...


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Kevin J.: then Michael Jackson

Kevin: When we were kings is a brilliant doco. I think (and I may have misread this) that it was Don, not B B, King who ripped everyone off...

Michael Jackson - interesting as to his legacy: I think Elvis is the best precedent - Michael was not a great songrwriter, like a Robertson, V. Morrison, Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Wonder, Bacharach, P. Simon, Holland-Dozier-Holland, Smokey Robinson (name your favourite who I've missed). there are some great songs ('Beat it', 'Billie Jean', 'thrller'), but I'm not sure they are standards in the way that my list churned out. Yet, as an interpreter of music, through vocals and dance, he was unquestionably one of the best. I think there is no better contemporary dancer - I'd even go as far to say he took dance abot as far as it can go - modern dance styles all go back to M J.

TErribly sad, and terribly tragic. Yet it is also a time to remember others with a terrific musical legacyas well.


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Posted by:

Quietzapple

Location: UK

Subject: Mud / Blood

God created man from clay, mud much the same. Blood supplies the heart of such flesh, so there is no real argument, just a little confusion.

'Take what you need and leave the rest' is the motto of the Romanies (sometimes called Gypsies) I believe. 'Waste not want not' now we are almost all pretty damn rich.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Band & Dead

Pat and Westcoaster: I thank you both. The Band and The Grateful Dead were clearly connected in several ways. No wonder Levon leads off his new album with one of their tunes. I just wish The Band had recorded every show the way The Dead did.


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Posted by:

daena (said dana) gallant

Location: florida

Subject: re-j tull fan post..

j tull fan: well i had'nt heard that.that's unfortinit if that's the case ... where'd you hear that on the regular news , or somewhere else ? i hope everyone here has a great weekend bye bye to all .. daena was here today.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Band & Dead

Aren't you guys forgetting Festival Express, or doesn't that count???


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Posted by:

Pat B

Charlie Y, the Band and the Dead played two dates at Roosevelt Stadium right after Watkins Glen, and the reformed Band played a number of times with the Dead, including a live broadcast at the Syracuse Gigantadome and Soldier Field in Chicago, Garcia's last performance.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Rick Danko

Here it is!!!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Rick Danko

Looked for Ripple and came across this - posted before I believe but worth an encore........the ying and yang of life....the absolute beauty of Rick Danko makes you feel that life is great while the people heard talking through the performance reminds us of the assholes amongst us.....


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

An interview with Ray Davies on Tom Snyder's show.....I think you will enjoy it.....

Remember a few years ago when we had that discussion on songwriters and we ranked artists by great songs written.....Dylan clocked in at 1 with 45-50 I recall...depending on how Lennon and McCartney were split they were close or better.....others like Robbie Robertson, Pete Townsend, Paul Simom, Neil Young, Ray Davies had substantial numbers while a John Phillips had just 2 but 2 great ones........anyhow.....while a Michael Jackson is unquestionably Elvis big or bigger....how many great songs did he write??? I have it at just 2 - "Billy Jean" and "Don't Stop Till I get Enough"


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: "Tennessee Jed," The Band and The Dead

I look forward to hearing Levon's new one next week. It's interesting to see that the first track is the Grateful Dead classic, "Tennessee Jed," a song which was almost certainly influenced by the sound of The Band. It's also interesting since the guy who wrote the words to that song--Robert Hunter--is also the co-lyricist for most of the songs on the new Bob Dylan album.

Didn't both Rick Danko and Garth Hudson cover Grateful Dead songs as well?

Does anyone know how many times The Band and The Grateful Dead turned up on the same concert bill? I know there was the original Woodstock Festival and, of course, Watkin's Glen. There must have been others. Anyone?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

While waiting for friend to arrive for dinner before going to see a movie, I was chatting it up with the young hostess about the passing of Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett. She said, "I wonder who will be next for the third." I said, "Ed McMahon passed the other day." She looked at me puzzled, "Who's he?" I laughed, "I guess he's a bit before you." I went on to explain (since she had heard of Johnny Carson) and then mentioned the commercial he's been in with the other catch phrase and voice guys - she knew that one.

The movie my friend and I saw was Hangover. This had to be the funniest movie I've seen in years. I laughed so hard, I was still laughing by the time I got back to my car. Probably not for everyone and certainly more a guy movie but it was just too funny.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Third Icon

Charlie: I'd say Ed McMahon, who passed away earlier in the week, would be the third figure.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Seedy and Kinky

Bill: I got the "pushing too hard" reference. Clever, dude. The Seeds featuring Sky Saxon were slated to play soon at my favorite venue here in Old Virginny, The Birchmere. I'll be there tomorrow night for the Seldom Scene and The Dillards (wish you could come, Peter!). My daughter is due in from Texas to join me, her bed and books in tow by U-Haul trailer as she prepares to start a new job teaching in DC city schools.

As for the Kinks, I'd rank Ray Davies as one of the most truly cool figures in the history of rock'n'roll--right up there with Chuck Berry and Bob Dylan. I got to meet him shortly after the Septemeber 11, 2001 attacks, following a gig in the DC area. Travel was very hard at that point--especially international travel--and I said "thanks for coming." His very cool reply: "no problem." His own home video footage of that tour was later released as a bonus disc packaged with his next studio CD. Mr. Davies is also one of the great intellects in rock history, but that's another discussion. I do hope his brother Dave is fully recovered from his stroke. I've never seen The Kinks and would like to have the chance.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: As soon as you said Dyson I wondered if the family you saw could've included Ronnie Dyson, who by the time of his 1970 solo hit ("Why Can't I Touch You", I think it was) had had, at least as I recall the DJs saying, a lead role in the Broadway production of "Hair". Not Canadian though.

Dave H: Good link between the Kinks' train song and "Last Of The Blacksmiths", a key line of which is even closer to the "Last Of The Steam-Powered Trains": "Have you heard about the railroad going under?". I wonder what order Robertson's songs on "Cahoots" were written; we know that "Just Another Whistle Stop", arguably another train song, was the very last thing written for the previous album.

Charlie Y: I'd say that attempting to raise Sky Saxon's profile like that is pushing too hard.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: God bless Mrs Mop

The VGPS was very explicit in a British sort of way. Its predecessor in nostalgic listing is Dylan Thomas’s A Child’s Christmas in Wales, which featured heavily in the dominant English Languge lesson textbook of the time by Ridout. All schoolkids of my generation plowed through Ridout’s textbooks, so much so that I was aware when I conversed with him years later that this guy’s literary extracts shaped my idea of literature! I’d bet anything that Ray Davies used the same textbooks, as they dominated British secondary education. Van Morrison is fond of the nostalgic list genre too … see Cleaning Windows. Christmas Humphries book on Zen (the blue Pelican edition obviously), Paris buns etc.

I’ve often wondered how transparent VGPS is in North America … Desperate Dan featured in the Dandy comic (and still does) eating cow pies. Mrs Mop was a stock figure (ageing cleaning lady) in Whitehall farces (theatre comedies broadcast live on national holidays), Old Mother Riley was in Radio Fun comic. Then Fu Manchu, Moriaty & Dracula are the stuff of “Saturday Morning Pictures”. In the 1950s, most cinemas had Saturday morning shows for kids, with Roy Rogers, Batman and Fu Manchu.

I’ve been listening to the original VGPS this morning. It’s lovely how Last of the Steam Powered Trains grows out of “Spoonful.”

For a Band connection, Shoot out in Chinatown and VGPS. Common factor … Fu Manchu!


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Peter V: As usual, you're probably right on the album sales question, at least in the USA. A quick perusal of the RIAA database shows 4 gold albums (500,000 sales) credited to the Kinks (a '60s-era best-of and three from their late '70s renaissance). For the Band, the Brown Album is certified platinum (1 million sales), while MFBP, Stage Fright, ROA, and the Best of the Band are all certified gold. Then there's Before the Flood (platinum), and the Basement Tapes (gold), plus Planet Waves, on which the Band isn't formally credited, which also went gold. (Double LPs count for 2 units, which helps them in these sorts of ratings.)

For me, it's always instructive to remember how important Dylan was to the commercial success of the Band, such as it was, especially since the exposure they got on those albums with him undoubtedly contributed to a fair amount of the sales of Band-only albums as well. Had the Kinks not been banned from touring the USA during their creative peak in the late 1960s, and had they had the chance to release three albums (two of them double LPs) with Bob Dylan at the apex of his popularity, the competition might be closer.

Village Green and Big Pink are often cited as matching exercises in '60s-era affectionate nostalgia for simpler days gone by, though it seems to me VGPS is quite a bit more explicitly so. On that score, the closer counterpart is Cahoots: the last of the steam-powered trains vs. the last of the blacksmiths. I wonder how much RR was influenced by VGPS; he tends to be reticent about crediting contemporaries for inspiration, but the parallels are surely there.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Michael Jackson (2)

For the next few days, the media will be full of mealy-mouthed tributes, but very soon, they’ll be piling on the unsavoury memoirs, because you can’t libel the dead. It’s all going to come out of the woodwork, just as it did with Elvis. I found an original Jailhouse Rock EP yesterday, but I can’t forget those bodyguard memoirs, and that one guy was detailed to hand our new plain white underpants to Elvis’s chosen paramours, because Elvis was turned off by any decoration or colour. I think that prediliction will seem pretty mild when this lot starts coming out!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Michael Jackson. Very sad, but not a surprise. Many predicted he would never make the tour or the O2 dates. The whole financial basis of the O2 is now in question with £85 million in ticket refunds to find. Beat It and Billie Jean still remain extraordinarily powerful rock singles.

I imagine that The Kinks sold way, way more singles, but I would guess The Band sold more albums (especially if you include a million each for Planet Waves and Before The Flood). The average rock fan could name more Kinks songs (well, definitely in the UK), and The Kinks first three singles were a huge influence on both heavy metal and punk. The Kinks never did that well in album sales, which shows in the raity value of many Kinks vinyl albums. Village Green was a commercial failure, though in retrospect it’s one of the best albums of the entire era. File with Astral Weeks for lack of impact at the time compared to still being talked about forty years on. I bought my mono copy of Village Green about six months after its release for about ten shillings (50p) in a Woolworths cut out bin. Fortunately they hadn’t put a cut on the sleeve (as US cutouts did). It’s listed at an amazing £200 in the Rare record guide. I just checked … that’s doubled in two years.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Hi guys, no time to post, but with all these great people passing lately wanted to add to it with this link.

I apologise if it's already been posted.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Daena, It is being reported at least.


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Posted by:

daena (said dana) gallant

Location: florida

Subject: message in responce to j tull fan..

so did you here something about micheal jackson o.d-ing or something like that ? other wise i'm confused by your post ..well hopefully everyone here has a great rest of the day bye bye all of you all ..daena was here today..


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Expo 67 - I Want To Be A Negro

My most vivid memory of Expo 67 was an outdoor gospel concert featuring a black family (The Dysons, Tysons ???) whose 10-year old lead singer was the big attraction. After their set the youngster romped in the shade of the grandstand with a young Joe J. while their mothers kept a eye out and conjured up ice cream on that incredibly hot day.

We (I think I can speak for our family) had met our first black people the day before (CN Railway porters).

I may have confided to my Mom that evening, that, when I grew up, I wanted to be a Negro [singer].

I may have fallen short in that ambition but I certainly was predisposed to falling for the Jackson Five a couple years later. You might say they were my first favourite band.

Incidently I've never heard of that gospel family since. No amount of googling has shed any light. One of my brothers has the impression that they were from Toronto. If you think you can do any good...


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

William Carlos Williams wrote "the pure products of America go crazy." Like Elvis before him, Michael Jackson was a pure product of America.

Luckily, The Band was mostly a product of Canada.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I would also agree with Brien on the name recognition question…..The Band always suffered from that….how many of us have had to say “The Band….you know Take a Load off Fanny…to be met with “oh ya…great song” but realize they just had no idea who The Band were….. The Kinks probably were more automatically linked to their hits…..I wonder who have sold more albums – The Kinks or The Band?

Michael Jackson: My only lasting memories are - living in Los Angeles in the early 80’s and having a girl let me listen in on her Sony Walkman (first time I had had the pleasure) and she had Billy Jean on…..early 1983….great girl and great song …….also his appearance on the Motown 25th anniversary show where he did his finest Ronnie Hawkins shuffle…..”Off the Wall” was one of the few non rock n roll albums I could tolerate at parties in its day….

J Tull Fan: It's good to see you back.......


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Wilco

This makes for a compelling need for universal health care.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Michael jackson

So, an injection of Demerol may have caused it, a painkiller close to morphine.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Michael Jackson

What a sad end to person who should have had it all. I knew for years this day was coming, but it is still shocking. And it is an earily similar day and in an earily similar way that I learned about Elvis.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: These Things Happen in Threes?

Farah Fawcett, Michael Jackson apparently have both passed away today, but only among the people here would the death of the key figure from The Seeds--Sky Saxon--rank as a third famous person passing.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: joan

riiight


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: John Donabie with Levon

Thanks, Jan H., for the link to the fine John Donabie radio interview with Mr. Helm. Wonderful.

I got to hang out at the XM radio studios in Washington, DC this week as Melody Gardot taped an upcoming performance which will air on Mike Marone's progam on The Loft in a few weeks. Ms. Gardot and her jazz ensemble were in fine form. Good radio is hard to beat--but hard to find!


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Posted by:

Bill M

I agree with Brien, but whereas "Lola" will be the equivalent of a music hall ditty 50 years from now (and will perhaps be revived like some future Scaffold as some future "Lily The Pink"), "The Weight" will be a timeless Folk Song.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I would venture that in most circles, people can put the name "the Kinks" to Lola than people could say "the Band" to The Weight.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I'm not sure this is a rock snob discussion but The Band and The Kinks are in a very small category of quite successful bands that have the unique distinction of being famous for one or two extremely well known songs (The Weight, UOCC, You Really Got Me, Lola) thus making them known to the average stiff while at the same time being a favorite of just about every serious rock music fan out there. I always liked the cut of Ray Davies’ jib but something about the way he chased after that assailant who snatched his girlfriend’s purse in New Orleans all those years ago just put it over the top for me…..fortunate that the bullet he took for his troubles didn’t do too much harm….


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: the full frontal Lobo ...

Imagine what Mr Stewart could've done with A Dog Named Boo.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Jim Weider's "facebook" fan page.


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Posted by:

calvin

Actually Peter, I decided I couldnt wait 3 weeks and obtained a copy, via torrent. I'll still but it when it comes out in release as I have every Kinks and Ray Davies CD, but I couldnt wait. And it is wonderful.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: A dog named Beau

Jimmy Stewart's reading on The Tonight Show. Even Johnny got teary


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: 1st Class!

Johnny Depp's new movie, "Public Enemies", where he plays John Dillenger, I'm looking forward to seeing.

On that note, apparently last evening Johnny and his cast stopped at a restaurant in Chicago, arriving quite late. About 11:30 PM. They stayed 'till between 2:30 and 3:00 in the morning. Their bill was $4400, and the waiter who stayed late and patiently waited on them got his dues. Johnny Depp tipped him, $4000. Of course that wouldn't hurt his pocket book, but it was classy.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bill M / Cubit

Yes, that is my homage to "The Cos". My room mates and I had a lot of great laughs in college listening to that wonderful record.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bashful Bill

Bill, this is a beautiful piece from Jimmy Stewart the actor. Jan, I hope you will forgive me. This is rather long, but so great

Beau" by Jimmy Stewart

He never came to me when I would call Unless I had a tennis ball, Or he felt like it, But mostly he didn't come at all. When he was young He never learned to heel Or sit or stay, He did things his way. Discipline was not his bag But when you were with him things sure didn't drag. He'd dig up a rosebush just to spite me, And when I'd grab him, he'd turn and bite me. He bit lots of folks from day to day, The delivery boy was his favorite prey. The gas man wouldn't read our meter, He said we owned a real man-eater. He set the house on fire But the story's long to tell. Suffice it to say that he survived And the house survived as well. On the evening walks, and Gloria took him, He was always first out the door. The Old One and I brought up the rear Because our bones were sore. He would charge up the street with Mom hanging on, What a beautiful pair they were! And if it was still light and the tourists were out, They created a bit of a stir. But every once in a while, he would stop in his tracks And with a frown on his face look around. It was just to make sure that the Old One was there And would follow him where he was bound. We are early-to-bedders at our house-- I guess I'm the first to retire. And as I'd leave the room he'd look at me And get up from his place by the fire. He knew where the tennis balls were upstairs, And I'd give him one for a while. He would push it under the bed with his nose And I'd fish it out with a smile. And before very long He'd tire of the ball And be asleep in his corner In no time at all. And there were nights when I'd feel him Climb upon our bed And lie between us, And I'd pat his head. And there were nights when I'd feel this stare And I'd wake up and he'd be sitting there And I reach out my hand and stroke his hair. And sometimes I'd feel him sigh and I think I know the reason why. He would wake up at night And he would have this fear Of the dark, of life, of lots of things, And he'd be glad to have me near. And now he's dead. And there are nights when I think I feel him Climb upon our bed and lie between us, And I pat his head. And there are nights when I think I feel that stare And I reach out my hand to stroke his hair, But he's not there. Oh, how I wish that wasn't so, I'll always love a dog named Beau.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: "Twilight"

Shawn Colvin's new live album includes a nice version of "Twilight."


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Posted by:

Peter V

The Kinks Choral Collection. When you have a song etched so firmly in every little detail as Waterloo Sunset is (or should be) it’s impossible to better it. That’s true of The Weight (yes, the version with The Staples was brilliant … but the original’s better) or Visions of Johanna or Penny lane or whatever. But you can do very interesting things with it as Ray Davies does.

BUT when you get to the Village Green Preservation Society, I think Ray has actually done the definitive version on the new album. The words fit. Usually the chorus is backing, with Ray’s voice right up front, but on Village Green the chorus get lines, and sections are used to push the lyric. e.g. All the men do “We are the draft beer appreciation society”. Then the drumming at the start of All Day & All of The Night is just recorded in a way that 1960s technology couldn’t touch.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Band Songs Ripe for Choral Interpretations

TNTDODD, The Weight, Acadian Driftwood, River Hymn, Moon Struck One (OK, just joking on that one).


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Posted by:

Deb

Bashful Bill, I'm sorry to hear that. I've been through it with two dogs now, and there's nothing easy about it. When you think about it, though, it's the last gift you can give a good friend. I love the line: "When you get to heaven, every dog you ever had will come running out to meet you." Be nice if that were the case, wouldn't it?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Bashfull Bill's Levon

B-Bill, I rarely even lurk out here anymore but saw your post and wanted to offer my sympathies. I recently lost a beloved pet (found him in the road while getting my Sunday paper)so I know how you are feeling. Best thing I did that day to ease the grief was sign up as a volunteer at my local private no-kill animal shelter. Felt like the best way to honor my pet, who also came from a shelter, would be to help those like him. If you have the time you might wish to consider it.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Levon ( my Levon, that is)

The time came to put him down & my son&I did it this morning. 15 years old. I've been struggling with the decision for several weeks & finally made the appointment afew days ago. I thought I was prepared but I was in no way prepared for the reality of how hard that 30 second act would be. & coming home & not having him here is just surreal. Not having him in the house or in the yard as I type is surreal. Every time I leave the house on my way out the door I tell him to be a good dog&when I walk in the door I do a bright "Hiya Levon", sometimes before I even see him. This sucks. Dont know why I had no idea it would be this hard....


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above link to the great Ray Davies.......Band connection - the raincoat that Van the Man could have had on at TLW....


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joan: What's a cubit? Are you really asking or just channelling your inner Bill Cosby? NB: Moist down there?! That's no way to speak to a lady.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Kinks Choral

Buying from amazon.usa here is pretty painless. I'd guess that it would be the same buying from amazon.co.uk in North America. Factor in the postage to the£8.98, and the fact that the pound is a lot lower than it was a year or two ago against the dollar, and you might not have to wait till July 14th (Bastille Day for Serge Tabernacle). You'd probably get it in 5 days to a week.

Ray Davies must have an odd deal. Working Mans Cafe (done very well on the new one, BTW) was later in the USA too. Just watch the video at amazon.co.uk a few times … his comfort with the words after so many years shows in his interpretation, and his voice is as good as ever. Unusual at his age.


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Posted by:

Calvin

The Kinks Choral Collection wont be released til July 14th on this side of the pond Peter, but Ill have it the first day its out.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Nick Lowe & Ry Cooder

They performed together last week in Amsterdam & a few other placesover there too I believe. There's a couple songs from that on youtube now.


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Posted by:

jacque tabernaque

Subject: angels and demons

hey peter , hows de royal bunch over der in jollie england. readed de post whers you are described as de antiband. someone out der is very astute dont you tink. you english just love to administrate, but hows come you always get the job. have a listen to danny brooks song "unseen hands" on the "rock this house" cd, band connection, the late great Richard Bell as musician/composer/producer, very illuminating. for nows au revior mon amis. oh i forgets, where is beg and serenity, i miss very much de femmes, oh oh oh


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: Kinks Choral

Sounds really interesting, and I'd definitely pony up 8.98 in pounds for it, but on Amazon US, it's $31.98! Maybe they'll release it here eventually, but right now it's a very pricey import.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

My (and our) friend John Donabie's interview with Levon has been posted on Levon's site. Get on over there and enjoy John's wonderful work. Thank you, John. Great stuff. And many thanks to Levon for another stellar musical effort.


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien, I really don't care if what is said in op-ed pieces in FOX NEWS. I won't effect me one way or the other. We've had a grat system for about 40 years. But you did say, "interesting", when describing them so I read them.

I would use the word, uninformed, in one case and someone speaking on behalf of people he isn't in the same boat with on medical coverage in the second case. "Curious propaganda" is the way I'd describe them. If that "feuille de chou" ever prints an OP-ed piece that runs contrary to the medical insurance industry please link it, now that in itself would be interesting.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I said to a girl last Friday night “I think I like you – possibly a lot”…..she replied …“In a weird way, I like your passion”…….She walked like a women but talked like Jeff……I decided to leave early……..No I have not heard the new/old Kinks release….


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Kinks Choral

I got the Kinks Choral Collection CD yesterday. Ray Davies is in stunning form on lead vocal amidst a very weird exercise. I think I like it. Possibly a lot. Anyone else heard it?


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Nick Lowe

BASSMANLEE- And, for a Band connection, Nick Lowe performed at one of Levon's Rambles.


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Tempted

Kevin J - While Mr. Carrack did indeed write the previously mentioned "How Long Has This Been Goin' On", "Tempted" was written by Difford & Tilbrook of Squeeze, which Carrack was a member of at the time. To tie up the recently mentioned musical circles, Andy Fairweather-Low also played on several Roger Waters tours. I met Andy, and was briefly introduced to Paul Carrack and Nick Lowe at a Paul Carrack show in Philly. Nick Lowe of course has recorded with John Hiatt and was his band-mate in Little Village. The wheels go round and round...


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Hankerin'

Damn Kev, that was enough to have this crowd fire up the Fry-o-lator.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Pic taken by my mother of a very rare blue lobster caught by a friend off the ME coastline in the Bay of Fundi.

"The Band" link: Joni Mitchell sings about the Bay of Fundi in her wonderful "Coyote" tune in "TLW." Plus, it's just a cool pic of a beautiful creature. Kim & I are heading up soon to catch a glimpse of while on a brief vacation.


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Posted by:

The Mr. Holland's Opus Foundation

Location: Studio City, CA
Web: My link

Subject: Autographed Robbie Robertson: The Last Waltz

We recently posted an autographed copy of The Band's, "The Last Waltz" on our eBay Giving Works page. Signed by Robbie Roberston. The winning bid will help to put an instrument into a child's hands! Thank you.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Some Billy Joe Shaver to brighten up a slow day at the old GB Saloon!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

dlew: “When We Were Kings” is a brilliant documentary about the Ali-Foreman Zaire fight in 1974…..there was a music festival organized as part of the proceedings and this is why – I would guess – Ali was in attendance….a sad footnote – King…..who would go on to great infamy for screwing fighters (including Ali) out of their earnings – also screwed the many musicians who played the festival out of their pay…….Black boss turned out to be the same as the old boss – in this case at least!


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: dlew -- B. B. King "Live in Africa"

dlew, there are several songs from that DVD posted on YouTube. Great stuff.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Saw B B King Live in Africa on DVD

Brilliant - Muhammed Ali is in the audience. Done about 1974, adn some of BB's finest playing. anyone else know this one?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Forty two years ago...


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Steve - sorry those folks didn't write what you wanted them to.


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Posted by:

Steve

Hey Brien, do you have to cleanse your eyeballs with some kinda eyewash after reading articles in The Fox Post? As usual I tried to read what you linked to but I fell asleep halfway through and woke up with QWERTYUIOP printed into my forehead. The topic is certainly worth linking to but how about linking to informed articles in the future.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

The actor, Jeff Daniels, played a show in NYC and the link is to the review. I didn't know the guy played guitar let alone writing his own songs. It's a well written, consice review.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Cubits

Joan: oops! forgot about that one!! : )


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Posted by:

NB

Web: My link

Subject: Trouble In Mind (Broonzy)


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Posted by:

NB

Web: My link

Subject: Trouble In Mind (Aretha)

(Hike up your volume). Stumbled across this and hadn't heard it in over thirty years.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Fred

The Roman Ulna might do.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Joan

Egyptian Royal Cubit or Sumerian Nippur cubit?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Rain

The ark construction is going well. We are still looking for the other Zebra. He got away yesterday. BTW what's a cubit?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Ray, Jerry Lee, Fats......


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

PV, that was a coupla Roche sisters who did C Line Saga, a staple of their concerts to this day (when you get all three). You knew that, of course. Thanks for the tip on Wolfgangs Vault, I'll see what it will cost me....And now, a poem. WHY JR WROTE THE SONGS (When You Awake) At The Oakland Show, Rick Danko had Ollie laying out the the turn to his right, which put things straight to his LEFT. Leaving him just a quicksilver moment to compose a new line that might cover using your days and saving your NIGHTS that would rhyme with his southpaw side. Alas:" Bhah do Dah, Smuak na LEFT." Careful where you step and...... In this instance, he was not enough Deft.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Here's Johnnie!!!

Old Ed McMahon bit the dust last night. Another familiar voice and big smile gone. I'll e mail you shortly Lars, but quit pickin' on Joan. Coincidentally, we had a few sprinkles of rain a couple nights ago. First rain in three weeks. This place is better-n-Hawaii.


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Posted by:

NB

Hi Joan. From watching the goings-on out at Bethpage last week, I gathered it's been somewhat moist down your way.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Part of the remaining area of NY state

Subject: Ain't No Sunshine When She's Gone

JOAN- Ever since Long Island announced that they want to secede from New York State, everybody in Albany is pretty ticked off about it. Including the weatherman. There will be no sunshine on Long Island until further notice. Tomorrow they're supposed to start trucking in the locusts. You know I'd help you if I could....


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Posted by:

bob w.

Bob Seger played the Tower back in the late seventies while I was working for Electric Factory Concerts. After the show he was distraught over his performance (which we all thought was pretty damn good) and insisted on booking a return date immediately. He was very genuine and very committed to his music.

I agree. He was great and they were one hell of a good band. He wrote some beautiful songs. Thanks for that link.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: Kevin J and David P

Kevin J, We always come back to The Band in here but we go to many other cool places as well. Sometimes ya have to search out great music and this place is as good as any to find it.n

David P, Thanks for the link, I always liked the guitar on Slow Turning and was pleasently surprised when I found out that it was Sonny's.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Seger was great back then. Travelin Man into Beautiful Loser , abzafuckinglutley magnificent. Live Bullet probably captured him at his peak live.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Jody Girl

For what it is worth - the above is a link to my favorite Bob Seger song.....one of those great singers that could have fit nicely with The Band.....


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bobby Jones/ Squeeze/ Sunshine

Bobby; On Facebook, Maud said the project will be done.No date given,, but she said they have to finish a few projects first.

I like Squeeze a lot. I saw them at MSG years ago. A good show.

Lars: What sun?? Still gray (grey) here.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Paul Carrack was part of Roger Waters Radio Kaos band and on that tour ( 1987 – I think ) he would walk out on stage – very impromptu with house lights still up just before the show started and do “Tempted” solo. I saw this twice and both times the arena went nuts in appreciation. I remember thinking at the time how beautiful it must feel to have written just one song that could get that kind of response from 18,000-20,000 people………….


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Posted by:

Lars

In Ace's "How Long..." the band that was trying to lure Ace's bass player (Comer) was a band slightly higher in atature than ACE: "The Sutherland Bros and Quiver." Ace was just a bar band at that time and these "friends with their fancy persuasions" already had a hit record (of sorts).

It's great to have a sunny day to catch up on all the chores around this place.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: It takes a Little Village to raise hell on slide guitar...

Thanks Bob for posting that great clip!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Bill M: I remember playing road hockey and the word was out that one of the guys older brothers was “getting laid” by a girl a couple of streets over…..once it was explained to me what this all meant – the word took on some added excitement….hearing the song quite often in the early 70’s – especially in the car – I just assumed that my mother and others had no idea what it was all about. Then my brother ruined it all by informing me it was about a dog named Lady. ……Funny about songs though….sometimes lyrics just float over without much inspection….I loved “Walk on the Wild Side” long before I had any idea what it was all about…….took me years to figure out what FLA was…..


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

And here's John Hiatt with another pretty respectable slide player......and a GREAT band. I was fortunate to see these guys at the Tower Theater back in the early 90's. One of the best nights of live music I have ever experienced.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Correct "Slow Turning" link.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: Sonny Landreth

Jerry: Sonny Landreth played on John Hiatt's "Slow Turning". I highly recommend this 1989 album which was produced by the esteemed Glyn Johns. (link to video clip of title song above) Mr. Landreth has also worked with Bobby Charles, appearing on his "Secrets of the Heart" and "Last Train To Memphis" albums.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Two interesting OP-ed pices on Health Care Reform.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

2nd article on Health Reform


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: You mean Squeeze was tempted by a real fruit? And who were these friends of the fancy persuasion? Re "Lay Lady Lay", if you're like me and thought for the first 30+ years that the line went "his thoughts are dirty but his hands are clean" - it's no wonder that the tweenaged you thought it was risque.



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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Golly Gee Bobman!!!!!!

Bob, are you trying to add a 60's Batmanish TV soundtrack to the GB chatter? If so, the original Batman program made it quite clear that using large, bold print is much more effective. Here's some examples of what I mean. OUCH! BAM! POW! ZAP! Feel free to use any of these examples to spice up your posts, they're in the public domain so there are no fees to pay.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ben's Basement Crossroads

I have a similar idea on my iPod and I played around with various CD compilations years ago. Seek out Coulson, Dean, McGuinness, Flint's "Lo & Behold" (which used to be hard to get but is now easy). That's all Dylan covers. Some are Great White Wonder things with no basement connection, but early on no one knew which were which. For example, If You gotta Go, Go Now was lumped in with basement stuff on early boots.

Also Kate & Annie McGarrigle's Clothes Line Saga is wonderful.This Wheel's On Fire is (sorry) better by Julie Driscoll than The Band in summing up an era.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Tour 74

I wonder if this will ever get the same treatment as the 66 tour or Rolling Thunder and get released again in the booleg series. There must be plenty of outakes - such as the one from AMH. Such a shame it wasn't filmed - but we also thought that about the ROA concert. I'd love to see an oficial release of the Syria Mosque concert - I did see a boot of that once.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Squeeze / Up The Junction

One of my most played tracks from 2009 is Chris Difford's solo re-make of "Up The Junction." I got it on a magazine cover disc and have played it to death. It sent me to play the Squeeze version and it's a rare case of a later "revisit" of a song where I prefer the later version to the original.

Strangely, I haven't bought the album … I've bought fewer albums in 2009 than any other year in the last twenty, and by a huge margin. It's unavailability of decent browsing space in good shops (it's all games and DVDs) and also paucity of releases. I'm not downloading, but I'm buying loads of old vinyl singles instead.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Squeeze Play

Speaking of Squeeze, I've always felt that were sadly underrated. Terrific live show.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

How long has this been going on?


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, Wolfgang's vault has a number of Band shows--shortened--which were part of the Dylan 74 tour. Boards of that tour that circulated included Boston, MSG, and Dallas.


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Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: George H on Levon H

Interesting old interview with George Harrison at the link above. Here's what he has to say about drummers: "Ringo has the best backbeat I've ever heard. Just him and Levon Helm from the Band, they're the only two drummers who play – they don't think technically, they just hold the sticks and play."


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Various

Jan, did you see the 74 tour in Chicago? Yeah, I had a take of "Tough Mama" from the show that I got off Limewire I think, not too bad sound quality. I will ask around "The Dylan Pool" and see if somebody can help me out. Still, there should be some other soundboards rather than just Oakland.... How do you think "Even If it's a Pig" measures up against "You Know My Name?" Have you ever heard the "Isle Of Wright" opening set, or were you there for that matter? Glad to see people keep up the tradition of fighting over nothing here. Speaking of which, on the non-75 take of "Too Much Of Nothing" Bob and the boys sing the chorus in a whole different key. This was adopted by Peter Paul and Mary in their truth-be-told not bad at all version. I think for Christmas this year I'm going to create a homemade CD called "Basement Crossroads", half will be songs Bob and the boys covered in the sessions and the other half will be other people's covers of BT tunes. Speaking of which, sometimes when I read these bitchy posts I think.... "It's gossip not flowers they have on their minds....."


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Arkansas Times online review of Levon's 06/20/09 show.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Thanks Jerry…….one of the pleasures of reading this site is hearing people’s take on music and musicians that otherwise don’t get a lot of publicity. While the rest of the world is busy Tweetering and My Spacing about what time they got out of bed – we’re talking about Sonny Landreth and Paul Carrack – not bad at all!!

Lars – When I was young and thought “Lay Lady Lay” was risqué…my brother told me to relax - that it was about Bob Dylan’s dog named Lady…I never did verify this but it’s funny how one can carry certain things about songs around only to be surprised years later. I do think the great Squeeze song “Tempted” was pretty unambiguous but perhaps not….


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Posted by:

Bobby Jones

Location: Columbus

Subject: looking for some Bacon Grease

anyone have an update on this box set? It (The Band site)says sometime in 2009 and were half way through the year without a peep of a solid release date, this thing has seemed to been plagued by delays from day one. Hope it sees the light of day, regards, Bob


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Bass-line songs

KEVIN J- After reading your post , I got to thinking about songs with prominent bass lines. What came to mind was Ace's "How Long Has This Been Going On," so I just did some research on it. Paul Carrack was the keyboard player and lead singer of Ace, an early '70s British band. He wrote the song not as a question to a crumbling romance (which, for all these years, is what I thought it was about), but as a question to a bandmate, after discovering that his bass player, Terry "Tex" Comer, was making plans to leave his group (Comer had even performed with the other band he was preparing to join).

"How Long" was actually about Comer's commitment to Ace. Perhaps that's why the bass line opening was used on the song that made it to #3 on the US charts.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: I've never thought of "Come Together" as a bass song, but I can certainly understand that bass is what Stanley Clarke would have been listening for. For me, I'd say that "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" is when I had that kind of reaction - when the bass carries the song. So I guess it's my favourite instance of McCartney's melodic playing. I also like what he did on "Ballad Of John And Yoko" in a very different style. (It was him, right?)


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Posted by:

bob w.

Ouch.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: Sonny Landreth

Hey Kevin J...Sonny came through town up here last fall and I was privledged to get to see him for the first time. To anyone who might get the chance to see Sonny run don't walk to that show. I didn't know he was part of John Hiatt's Goners, although probley not news to many of you in here. I bought his latest cd From The Reach and a older release Grant Street and really like both of them very much. Hopefully he makes it back up this way soon.


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Posted by:

Peter V

When Paul's bass playing sounds "off" it's time to invest in a new radio / hi-fi or whatever.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: How's this one Bill

Stanley Clarke on Sir Paul:

"Paul definitely had an influence on my bass playing, not so much technically, but more with his philosophy of melodic bass lines - especially as I hit my teens and the Beatles' records became more adventurous. On tracks like "Come Together," the bass line WAS the song. I've always liked that. The only other person I knew of who was doing that was James Jamerson. That was one of the reasons I was inspired to write "School Days": so I could just play the bass lines and people would hear a whole song."


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: bassists

"Penny Lane" was playing when I flipped to the oldies station. Lovely song of course, but for some reason I homed in on the bass: the notes seemed mushy and at times off. The bass playing on the next two songs left McCartney in the shade: "I Dig Rock And Roll Music", with superb work by Denny Gerrard (very short, very accurate and very pleasing notes), and then "Up On Cripple Creek", with its fabulous son-of-Ray-Brown work.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: 74 shows

Ben, the one boot to get is Chicago, 3rd January, first show on the tour. That has Share Your Love and Holy Cow, plus Nobody 'Cept You, as well as the opening "Hero Blues" which dropped out after that. The unusual songs at Chicago, which were subsequently dropped, make it the most interesting. BUT there was a reason they were dropped, I feel.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Bon not Ben Iver

A clip of Bon Iver....one can see why people like RR are so impressed.....try leaving this on in a car when others want Lady GaGa......Ah life can be tough at times....at the lunch stop I did ask for the Lady GaGa cd to look at so that I could study the song list so as to be prepared for when we returned to the car.......given the time I spent looking at her pictures instead I was told that my punismement would be no Bob Dylan the rest of the trip!!!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

bob w: Your taste in guitar players is something else............Sonny Landreth!! Great player.... Makes me wish Clapton would put on a Guitar Fest every year....seems it is every 3-4 years - hopefully the next one is sooner than that as it is the only time I get to see Sonny Landreth play............Somewhat related to your review of the Clapton/Winwood show, I had the opportunity to watch the Cream reunion at Albert Hall on dvd again this past week and was just stunned at how on form Clapton was at those shows........agree that there are any number of people that are always making references to Clapton "losing it" but this has always seemed to me to be baseless.......and more to do with an easy swing at the top guy than anything else..........the only time I have trouble with his playing - interestingly enough - is the blues stuff - as I just have never felt the blues when he plays. Stevie Ray Vaughan I felt it to the bone but never with EC.........everything else though is great and I hope to get an opportunity to see him with Winwood........


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Griffin's "Bash "

I didnt get Bash for Father's Day, but my son did give me a new book about Rod Serling (not a bio, more of a critique) written by Doug Brode with some contibutions from Serling's widow, Carol. I've read a good deal of Brode's stuff&have taken a couple film courses from him & like him generally but with reservations. Example of my reservations - in the 3rd sentence of the intro(which is all I've thus far read)he claims Serling to be " the most imaginative of all American writers since EA Poe". Not only over the top hyperbole, which is known to appear in his writing, but completely inaccurate(he could have rightflly complimented Serlings work as well as shown his admiration without going so far, even could have simply stuck the word "arguably" in there). Still, a fine Father's Day gift. My girlfriend gave me a weedwhacker, heh! Inafew minutes plan B springs into action : I have a $25 gift card AND a 20% off coupon at Barnes&Noble which expires today, so Million Dollar Bash will soon be on my "to read" pile. Sure wish they would hurry up & release a good comprehensive but real&raw volume of BT already.....


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Kevin, or you could listen to........


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: New Music

I went to the record store on Saturday and picked up the new Dylan, Ben Iver's "For Emma" and the re-release of The Band's "Rock of Ages"......ROA is a sentimental favourite as it is the album that introduced me to The Band in 1977 - clipped it from my older brothers collection to impress some friends over at the house skipping school that I knew more than just Bowie, Faces and Zep! It now comes with 10 new songs! No news to any of you I am sure but something I was not aware of......ROA remains my desert island Band disc.....fabulous!!

The new Dylan: 6 of 10 songs - I like very much. Songs 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, and 10 are really strong. Songs 2, 3, 4 and 8 are hard to listen to. Listening to the final song ( 10 ) "It's all Good" ......had the whole car rockn' and swinging - not bad for an almost 70 year old! Just baffling that Bob aka Mr. Frost would put 3 clunkers in a row to follow a really strong opening track....I wonder how many people listening gave up before getting to track 5!

Ben Iver - really liked it first time through - lost a bit of interest 2nd time but chalked this up to being in a car - perhaps this is music better suited to listening to alone in the dark..........


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Even If

Hmm... so the "Even Pig" as it were, has a confused history. Well, it's a start. And somewhere there is a recording of "Little Birdies", even with terrible sound. I have checked the web, and no set lists for 74 seem to be posted. But a comprehensive set of boots, I believe, might include "Share Your Love" and "Holy Smoke." Peter V, have you heard that recent Dylan cover of "Yea Heavy?"


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: Rick

Rick released a CD, simply called Rick Danko Live in about '97. It's delightful, featuring him, Professor Louie, and Randy Ciarlante. His playing is at times full bodied, at times spare, with spaces in between, suggesting the other instrumentation. A very satisfying document. I'll have to dig it up and give it a listen again before commenting further, but Twilight, Chest Fever (!), The Shape I'm In and Long Black Veil are songs that he really delivered on. And the reason I'll have to look for it is not lack of interest, but the fact that I packed it up with some favorites I took with me on vacation last year, and when I unpacked too casually, my house ate it. It's worth the search, and if I don't find it again I'll order another from Woodstock records.


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Posted by:

Steve

Norm, interesting to hear you calling Jeff a dog, knowing your fear of them.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Day-O

Ben, dunno. There's a bootleg collection of Basement tape fragments that were supposed to be a final Band only volume of The Genuine Basement tapes series (as Volume 6). It contains various bits called "Instrumental" or "Trombone Bit". There are two bits called “Gloria in Excelsis / Banana Boat Song” which come in exactly the same positions as “Even If It’s A Pig Part 1” and “Even If It’s A Pig Part 2” on the online lists of the 10CD Basement tapes (plus sources and covers) at The Never Ending Pool site. Some say that’s it. I used to be into arcane basement tapes lore, then my mind boggled.

I don't like to say this … but, um, it's not very good!


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Subject: Cleveland Tx

Peter V, are you saying you've HEARD even if it's a pig? I don't know if Croz FM has his downloads back on the boards, but I got the first generation Garth tape that Neil Young had for years off that. To me, the sound quality on the 75 release was never a problem, and the new remix doesn't make a big change (like the few additional outtake photos from the session, though. For those who haven't read the Griffin book, it was shot in the basement of the Hollywood YMCA, no doubt a short trip for Angleo Rossito, who is dressed up as a paper boy. Rossito, who also appears on Wait's "Swordfishtrombones" cover, was in "Freaks" and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Stuff You've Gone Off Of

It's a valid point. While trying to narrow my choice to the mere 3,932 songs on my iPod as Apple Lossless files over a year or so, I revisited a lot of stuff I found I no longer liked that much. I just checked. Don't Wait is the only song currently in The Band playlist from Jubilation. But I think I'll add a few to that.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: "Newly Formed Band"??

Another silly remark by the dog!

I think there is a misconception, that seems to have snowballed over time. Robbie Robertson was unexpendable to the BAND. It's true! However, the same is true of the entire 5.

There are many capable guitar players, bass players, drummers and keyboard people. The sound and feel of the music of those original five guys was unique. Any one of them being gone changed that forever. That is not argueable.

Think of CCR, without the voice of John Fogerty. It would not be CCR. Undisputable. There are other band situations where it was not as noticable, however, as we have said for years now. THE Band.......was THE BAND


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Posted by:

Friend0

Nick, i've expressed this before. Viney is the AntiBand. Don't forget to check in to be able to keep the devil down.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Too much of something...

I think Robbie Robertson's post-Last Waltz recordings also suffer at times from the "just a little too much going on" factor. His work during those years, including the soundtrack contributions, as well as the four solo albums released between 1987 through 1998, are often crowded with too many cooks in the kitchen. Empty spaces are few & far between -- just look at the long list of musician credits on his solo albums. Over those years, his approach to music certainly evolved into more different directions than that of his former Band members, perhaps with the exception of Garth. He chose to follow those different paths, rather than revisit the old Band formula.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

We saw Buddy Guy last night with Susan Tedeschi as the opening act at Wolftrap in Vienna, VA. They did a medley together during BG's set -- outstanding!

Buddy did acoustic blues tunes as an encore w/his guitar player.

Bummer was - - I didn't take my camera, doh! I won the tickets in a contest and didn't know they would be row 8, center section. Figured they'd be crummy seats.

Ran into a guy at the concert I did MADD volunteer work with a few years ago. Turned out he was at the Wanee Festival in FL a couple of weeks ago also. He is now doing some kind of work with Little Feat . . . didn't get to talk to him long, but got his e-mail address and will catch up soon and see what he's doing with the Feats.

Band connection: not really, but it least it's about music and not beating a dead horse (as we would say in the South!)

J.F.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

David - I forgot about those collaborations and have all three and they are quite a strong collection but they to at times suffer the same mid to slow tempo fates. Yet, for me, the majority of those songs resonate with me making the tempos just fine.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: DFA

Agreed. The DFA Records show what Rick COULD have been doing with The Band. There's a 1993 radio show from Manta Eastern Sound in Toronto with The Band doing Driftin' Away. Then in Tokyo in 1994 The Band did Blue River and Kingfish live.

The point I was making that they should have kept this stuff in the act, and the act had solidified without improving in 1996. Rick never had much luck in doing This Wheel's On Fire live with the original line-up either.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Blue Rivers & Foghorns in the '90s

In my opinion, Rick Danko's best work in the '90s can be heard on the various collaborations with Eric Andersen & Jonas Fjeld. This includes the two Danko/Fjeld/Andersen albums, later reissued together on "One More Shot", along with an additional live CD recorded in Norway. Rick also appeared on several cuts on Eric Andersen's "Stages: The Lost Album" (1991) and "Memory of the Future" (1998). Check Jan's discography section for further details.


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Posted by:

Gary

Location: Stony Point, NY
Web: My link

Subject: Band tribute

If you love and miss THE BAND, here's your chance to experience the next best thing! The THE BAND Band has been lauded by critics as being "as close as it gets to the real thing," performing timeless classics such as "The Weight", "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down", “Up On Cripple Creek”, and many others from The Band's legendary repertoire.

It’s been 40 years since The Band played at Woodstock, and over 32 years since their farewell concert, The Last Waltz. But while The Band may be long gone from the stage, The THE BAND Band is the perfect remedy for Band-starved fans everywhere!

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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Brien

We cross posted. Without denying your right to an opinion, nor even agreeing, nor disagreeing with it, I wonder if Electric Dirt is going to be a companion piece, and meant to be heard with Dirt Farmer, and then on that, you get more variance?

does that even make sense?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Changing tastes

Without entering into debates about things I don't know about, (I never saw any of the Band incantations, and I've not heard Jubilation - I'll have to pick it up on iTunes, I thin - i haven't found it down here, yet), but an interesting question has been raised:

what albums did you love once, but now don't like? Or like less? But, to give it some grit, not stylistic changes - 'I loved 'Iron Man' by Black Sabbath, but now I can't stand Heavy Metal' (not true for me... but an example), but more along the lines of 'I used to love Kris Kristofferson's 'Jesus was a Capricorn', but over time, I prefer his other stuff'

To start, I thought Alison Kraus' live album was brilliant, but now, after the passage of time, it seems a bit calculated to me (that's not to say it IS, just that there's a mechanics about it that I see). I still like it, just not as much as I used to. (I think Alison Kraus is, on the whole, fantastic, by the way)

What have YOU changed your opinion on?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Maybe folks will think I'm nuts, but I think Rick's first solo effort and Robbie's three offerings are better listens than Dirt Farmer. Don't get me wrong, I like Dirt Farmer but a sameness in tempo, for me, drags it down. Maybe the songs are better live, I don't know, or maybe I want some up tempo jams/songs. Every song is mid tempo or slower. The playing is great - don't get me wrong and since I do most of my music listening in the car or at my computer, I want something that has some pop to it. I've seen Levon play live and I know that foot stompin, head noddin, ear to ear smilin jam is in him - it just isn't there in Dirt Farmer for me.

When I want mellow - I'll listen to Floyd, Tangerine Dream and some other folks. Sea to the North is an eclectic listen and stands apart from the other efforts in terms of tempo and melody and for me is hard to compare to the other member solo efforts.


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Posted by:

Rich P

Listening to Leonard Cohen's 'Live in London' for the fourth or fifth time now, it’s difficult not to think about how much better it would have been with Garth in the band. (Of course, you could say that about just about anything!).


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: 80s and 90s Band

Though I've never seen The Band live I have to agree with Peter. The 80's DVD from Vancouver has some good moments but they're mostly Richard's. The new songs on Live at Loreley are better than the old songs which sound lack lustre. I occasionally listen to Jericho but I haven't listened to the other two in years.

For me Rick was at his peak around the time of TLW and his voice was never the same after that. (I could same the same about Robbie's guitar playing to.) Richard played really well on the Vancouver video which makes his death even more tragic. Garth is always great but seemed more constrained in the new Band. He's almost not there in Vancouver. Levon's voice was unfortunately shot to peices by the mid nineties and I'd much rather hear him without a backup drummer. I'm sure Robbie would have taken them in a different direction to the country and blues route they ended up taking and he was sorely missed.

That having been said Levon redeemed himself big time with Dirt Farmer - definitely the best of the Band solo efforts though "Robbie Robertson", "Rick Danko" and Sea to the North all have fine moments.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Same (old) Same Thing

Nick, I can spew crap until the cows come home. Without getting nasty most often too. Take a straw poll of those hundreds of lists of “Great rock songs”. You’ll find several Band songs (and songs the Band played live) in there. You will not find Stuff You Gotta Watch, Same thing, Caldonia. Therefore, it is objective to say that these three songs are less highly rated by most people than The Weight, Dixie, I Shall Be Released, This Wheel’s On Fire, Rag Mama Rag, One Too Many Mornings, Not Fade Away, Atlantic City, Louisiana 1927, or Blind Willie McTell. It’s subjective to say “They’re not as good” or “They’re generic” or “They’re boring”, but all three are my opinion.

The show they put on DVD, Live at Loreley, wasn’t the worst they did, but it was not a good one. And it’s there as a public record of them live near the end.

The whole week in Europe was a problem because Rick was “ill”. Dublin was much worse. London in front of the assembled music press was worse and screwed their credibility here, especially following a total trainwreck performance on GLR Radio in London earlier in the day. Cambridge, I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it and couldn’t believe how brilliantly Rick took It Makes No Difference in spite of very obviously not being at his best, but objectively they had been better in Vancouver two years earlier. It was fun, there were some great bits. Cambridge was early and it went downhill rapidly from there.

What shows serious lack of judgement is allowing Loreley to be released on DVD. Watch it next to the New Orleans DVD. Then again so little attention was paid to that release that the track list was most exciting. A new song! The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Anymore is listed. It turns out to be It Makes No Difference.

I was always excited by new Band albums, and gave Jubilation an enthusiastic review (and got the review around too which wasn’t a negative action). However, time treats it very badly. I did say:

there’s sometimes just a little too much going on in there, busy-ness confusing those essential Band-style empty spaces in the music.

Which was as far as I went. I also listed these points:

Garth is the only original member to appear on every track, somewhat tenuosly on White Cadillac to which he contributes “whistle, siren and shaker”.

Levon does not appear on Book Faded Brown at all

Rick does not appear on You See Me at all.

Jim Weider does not appear on High Cotton or Bound by Love

Richard Bell does not appear until track 5, and plays on only three numbers

The official line-up of six, quoted in the front, only appear all together on one track, If I Should Fail even then Aaron Hurwitz does the piano and accordion.

Randy Ciarlante, Garth Hudson, Aaron Hurwitz & Marie Spinosa are the only people who appear on every track.

Mike Dunn takes over bass for three numbers.

That characteristic slapping drum sound on the early tracks is Randy Ciarlante. Levon plays drums less on this album, and they rarely use the twin drum sound.


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Posted by:

Nick

Still spewing the same old crap huh Peter? What you write really is laughable.

I saw the 90's band at least 15 times and they were always great. I'm sure they had an off night hear and there but I'm also sure what great shows I saw represent more of the 90's Band than the one bad show you saw. Case in point in 1995 I saw the them open for the Dead in Chicago and they totally rocked the entire stadium. and when I say totally, the people were on their feet cheering and stomping. For The Band

Funny how you act like you know more about music and song selection than Levon Helm. He's in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. What is it you do again?

Mostly try to rewrite history on this page. Case in point you write a 5 star review on Jubilation when it comes out and now here you are 10 years later trashing it. And by the way members of the Band have co-writing credits on nearly every song on that CD. And Jericho is great too, how about "Too Soon Gone". You can't tell me Rick's voice isn't as good on that song as it's ever been.

Once again, you simply spew BS. Stick to the childrens education books since they are probably gullible enough to believe what you write.


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Posted by:

Bud

Location: the Indoor Garde

Subject: Junkyard dog

Nobody take the bait, I'll wager player be arguing with hisself.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: The Moon Stuck One

Lars, just what kind of Disneyworld is it you are at?

Just looked at that Moon Struck One lyric. Downright scary .


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Posted by:

Lars

Subject: I think it makes the ocean move, too

FRIENDO- Are you saying that the quality of sex in a Guestbooker's life is contolled by the moon?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Pete on The Band

Pete, are you that you vested in presenting the 80s and 90s Band, the Band with out Robbie, so negatively, that you attempt to cast a descriptive image of them with the description of what if you are accurate, was a extremely poor show that was not representative of The Band, 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s. While you do state that it was one of their worst shows, why even describe it? Are you just trying to provoke people, by being negative about The Band and by virtue of one show describing Rick negatively and inaccurately, or do you want to give people who never saw The Band a negative picture?.

I never saw a Band show where Rick was not in good spirit, jovial, or did not have good stage presence. I was not at the show you describe, nor did I see the DVD, but Rick was not superhuman, I can believe he’d have a bad Band show. I’d seen some solo shows where he was not himself, but not for lack of trying. I can believe The Band had bad shows too. Why not?

I have seen more plenty Band shows where Levon was slow out of the gate, and it was Rick who led the charge till Levon came round the bend like he was heading home to see his wife after being 3 years in jail. The only show I saw that hurt me was the first back home , the one at the Capital in Passaic, that first after Richard hung himself. I saw many great shows, and many shows that had great parts to the show. Never saw a show that sucked, never was sorry I went, That does not mean I can’t believe there were bad shows.

Pete, I’m even willing to believe that everyone on this GB has had sex with a lover where it was incredible, and sex with the same lover where it was not incredible. And , in that relationship,j ust like the Band, if the performance was incredible once, more often than not itg was great or incredible. Once in a while it might have been just okay, and once in a very fucking blue moon it might have been awful. Once greatness is attained greatness usually prevails for the most part. That is true of The Band. Ups and downs, they happen .

Calvin, those 3 90s Band shows you saw. Would you miss the poor performance if it meant also giving up the two great ones? I know you are too much a lover of great music and The Band to take that deal.

Far as The Band without Robbie being like Hamlet without Shakespeare, please Pete, try to remember that

1) Hamlet was a creation of Shakespeare
2) The Band was a creation of 5 men.
3)The Band’s sound was a creation of 5 men.
4) The Band was not a creation of Robbie’s.

If you need me or someone to explain each point in greater detail, I , or someone will. One more thing for you to remember , Pete:

Garth Hudson is not a upper east coast local musician.



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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Lots of applause at the end

Indeed. It's called a "rock concert." It happens all the time. Especially as people have chosen to see their favourite group.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Crazy Mama

Rick doing Crazy Mama.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Father's Day

Happy Father's Day to all!


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Posted by:

Calvin

I may be alone in this but I prefer Rick's voice in the 90s, it had a warmth and timbre that his early vocals didnt, although earlier he clearly had more range and was able to do more.

I saw the Band 3 times in the 1990s, Twice as an opener in front of 5,000 plus and once in what was once a movie theater. Twice they were a great RnR Band, once I was emberassed.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pete, goddamn dilemma ya have now. Damned if i could answser Steve's question for ya if I wanted to. All the times i saw The Band in the 90s, at the end of the show there was too much godd,m hooting hollering, applauding, too may people clamoring to hear more music and screaming out various expressions of delight and imploring The Band to return to perform more music to know exactly what they all were saying. So I couldn't answer Steve as to what ( approproiate) response The Band wasn't getting at the end of a show weren't getting, because just about every person in the crowd was screaming too loud to identify what responses they were getting percentage wise, to be able to eliminate those,m and identify what they weren't getting.

I always heard some people call "encore", but there were so many people screaming and calling out "Levon", "Rick", "Garth",maybe adding "we love you" song titles," cmon back", hooting, whistling, clapping, stomping their feet,that it tended to drown out that more sedentary form of approval and request for more muSic.

Damned if sometimes The Band didnlt have to do 3, soemtimes even 4 songs to quiet these hecklers down.

Funny, 1986 was the only time that I presently recall seeing them in a club that coulb be considered small ( Imight bemissing some ).The orignal Lone Star cafe. It might have held 300 legally, proabbly 200, but it was always packed like sardines. and they did do two shows a night there. All the other shows were in sizable places, be they enormous clubs like The Ritz, big clubs like The Roadhouse or outdoors like Central Parks Sheepmeadow or , Woodsotck outdoors, venues like The Capitol or Carnegie. But at thr end of these shows,noone was leaving easy,. the goddam crowd made maddening noise to express their enjoyment,love, and appreciation. Steve, now that I think about it, it was so noisy, I'm not even certain that some peopel weren't delieriously clapping politely and calling "Author, Author".

BTW, Pete, in my response to your post that including "winning" last night, I negelected to point out the obvious. That my argument with Pat was based on my belief that characterizing Garth as a upper east local musician is absolutely absurd. My ongoing argument was not an attempt to win, but an answer to every riducluous assertation that characterzing Garth as such is a true and copmpetent statement. And also, an opoortunity for Pat to present some of the origin of where such characterizations come from. While I'd much prefer that here was no necessity to have these arguments, the necessity was there. Unless you want Lars to ref a rematch, it can die now.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Steve: We all hope for improvement. Garth seems forever exploring new fields. I know that Rick Danko’s bass playing was way better when I saw him in Vancouver in 1993 than when I saw him in Cambridge in 1995/6. He was brilliantly natural in 1993, just breathing out bass lines. He was as good as he ever was but not better. Neither Rick nor Levon’s voices improved between 1976 and 1993. That’s natural in the ageing process. The 90s Band appear to be Levon’s band, and firmly so. That had its downside in material. It had its upside, as I can’t see it would have happened at all without the force of his spirit and willpower. Watch that Loreley Festival DVD. It’s one of their worst 90s performances (well, most of the tapes I heard were much better … Dublin was worse). This is how I described it in my review at the time of release:

The setting is cold. They’re playing on a stone stage in a band shell, with the curved area in front of the stage kept totally empty for cameras. The crowd are at least fifty yards back from this, leaving them isolated on a grey afternoon. Watching the DVD was a strange experience, because the pictures, and especially the body language of all of them, strongly distract from the listening pleasure. These are not guys having fun. It’s all summed up in an expression of guitarist Jim Weider’s, caught just as Rick Danko starts a song. It’s full of utter suspicion and wariness. It says ‘Is he going to get through it?’ Richard Bell is possibly the outstanding instrumentalist on the day, but does not show one spark of pleasure, enthusiasm or interest in his face. Dark glasses don’t help. Garth Hudson is isolated, face covered by his hat, lost in the keyboards, never looking up. Randy Ciarlante is working hard, again expression concealed by sunglasses. Jim Weider looks deep in concentration and worried. On the audio, you hear that he’s on sparkling form on the day, but his face belies that. Rick Danko is standing there like a lumpen statue. None of his cheerfulness, or exuberance appears at all during the show. This is a man labouring to get through. He only sings lead on four numbers out of fifteen, and the rest look worried while he’s doing them. The reason that 5.1 doesn’t help is that his bass playing is unnaturally leaden, muffled and plodding. This is emphasized when Levon plays bass on Crazy Mama and immediately gets a crunchier tone, and hits a groove that has been eluding Rick Danko all afternoon. Levon’s voice sounds tired, he sounds wrecked, but his sheer spirit shines through, as if he’s holding the show (and the Band) together by the pure force of his willpower, which I think he might have been. I’ve had the same thought watching them before. The right way to have staged them was to put Levon on a great big drum riser at the front centre, put a spotlight full on his face, and stuck a broom handle up the back of his shirt to stop his habit of crouching so low that he gets hidden behind the cymbals. All the way through the show, it’s Levon (closely followed by Randy Ciarlante) who shows all the enthusiasm, drive and spirit. That’s what the audience wants to see. Fortunately the camera returns to Levon and Randy a lot.

Levon’s last album, “Dirt Farmer” was the best thing he’s done since 1976 by a mile. Perhaps the only person able to give him advice that he’d take was Amy. The result was a triumph. The 90s Band needed Larry Campbell!

APPLAUSE

Applause is a hard thing to measure between events. I was in an audience of about 500 last night watching my granddaughter’s dancing school annual show, with about 100 kids from 4 to 18 on stage. She was on for a couple of minutes in three hours. I can tell you that The Band on any day of their career would have been thrilled at the sustained level of applause throughout from the mums, dads and grandparents. The “author author” bit was something I was going to add to. I saw Jude Law onstage in Hamlet a couple of weeks ago. He did the “To be or not to be” speech as well as I’ve seen it done, in falling snow. At the end of the night, there were well-deserved standing ovations. Shakespeare probably couldn't have done the speech as well himself. But Shakespeare’s the guy who wrote the play.

Who was it who said “The Band without Robbie Robertson was like Hamlet without The Prince.” (Greil Marcus? Goldstein?)


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Jukebox

Don't know if anyone else has come across this. My older brother just e mailed me this site.

It's a juke box. You click on any year, and it plays you 20 hits from that year. Really cool, and some great old tunes to enjoy.

Dlew. (David) I'll e mail you. It's in Murrarie that Susan's daughter and her husband live now.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, you did a nice, fairly complete run down of the 90's Band from what I know of them. I don't know how accurate it all is but I bow to your interest and time invested in analyzing their lineup and the music they chose to play.

I do have a couple of comments and a question.

How could you improve on late 60's and early 70's Rick and Levon? I'm not sure if you think they would have gotten better if they were still under J2RS' guidance or not. Did , Sir Paul, ever improve on what he was musically, in any way, than he had been in the 60's? I guess people can get technically better but that would only be important if they were preparing for some kinda test or competition. I think the Band members were good enough technically and the rest was a question of timing and chemistry. How do you improve on Levon's drumming in King Harvest, for example. And as you said they were just as good twenty years later( though you put it in a slightly more negative light, " they were no worse" ouch!).

I'm a little confused as to why you added the crowd shouting, "Author, Author" at plays. What would be the equivalent response at a rock concert, that they apparently weren't getting from the crowds?

And of course , thanks to Levon, people can still see great renditions of many of those wonderful Band songs from 40 years ago and no one considers what he's doing as an oldies act. He's added lots of different songs to his shows that are vibrant and truly alive and fresh sounding and of course he's still putting out albums that sell and are worth listening to.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Thanks to Amanda over at BFB for posting this link. Brilliant performance at Red Rocks.

Happy Father's Day to all the Dads here.


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Posted by:

Mike & Kim

Web: My link

Happy Father's Day!


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany
Web: My link

Subject: Obama

Yesterday, in the city, I noticed Europe is in tight Obama embrace. I saw Obama books, Obama CD’s and DVD’s, a huge chocolate Obama in the middle of a shop window, 2 Obama baseball caps, a young girl with an Obama-JC T-shirt and an older woman lurking a Obama ice cream . Further down the road someone had spayed an Obama face on the blind wall of a abandoned factory. On our way home, between the suburbs, O B A M A was spelled in tulips along the road and now I knew the USA will be on his feat again in no time. Later as I tried on my warm Obama socks and tinkled my toe, I shook my head when I realized that he does that all alone.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Stormin Norman Down Under

Norm: your daughters Queensland way, isn't she? Drop me a line - Vi has my email if you've lost it ... let's compare dates - hopefully we can catch up in some way!


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Has the fussin' and fightin' here subsided some? By the way, while I was surfing thru the cable channels I caught the last part of The King of Comedy. Missed "Between Trains", though.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Ben, I would have leapt in to discuss any basement tapes music. Even "Even If It's Only a Pig." I was away Wednesday through Friday and not checking in here.But now I'd have to dig out the old tapes …


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: various

I must say, the lack of interest in the whole "Even If It's a Pig" issue is confounding. And doesn't any WANT to know what "Shootout In Chinatown" was like live?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Lars, the flapjacks post was the first truly funny thing i can remember you writing. The last statement you made was a riot. Now if you don't ever post again, you can't fuck up a good thing. You go out leaving us laughing. :-)

Pete, It is pretty interesting that you try to portray this a debate with rounds, and a winner and loser. Pretty much from the beginning, i viewed this an argument. None of Pat's responses, or lack of, surprised me much. Pat and I have mostly disagreed since 2002. I know how he behaves in a disagreement, and I know how he behaves when he is clearly wrong. The wronger he is, the more so.

Arguments do not necessarily have winners or losers, and I did not expect any one to win anything. Again, having years of experience posting with Pat, I expected that no matter how correct my position is, Pat would refuse to admit that he is wrong. I expected this to continue ad infinitum.

The only thing that surprised me about the argument is that you and some other people let Pat fight it out himself for a few days. That's the first time any of you who regularly have psositions rather different than mine have been left to fight your own battle;for more than a post or two. But once you and your dreidel entered the argument, it was time to ask you if you consider Garth a upper east coast local musician . So you might actually portray yourself accurately. Thanks for obliging me.

I expected you to answer my last questions to you the way you answered them. i expected you to agree with Pat right down the line, and I also expected you to be unable to write the actual words, that you characterize Garth as a upper east coast local musician. I also expected you to use anonymous plural terms to lend false anonymous authority to your opinion, as you did when you wrote "most of us". It is your usual transparent tactic. I've always been able to stand on my own two feet, so I never needed to do that.

Goodnight folks.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: I'm on my way to Disney World

Subject: My scorecard at ringside

Peter- I saw the fight as a draw and reccomend an immediate re-match, starting tomorrow night.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I agree with Pat B right through your debate with him, Jeff. IMHO he won every round of the debate, except that like most of us, I don't think Pat was trying "to win" anything.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Local Schmocal

The above link will take you to Garth's calendar from July 4th of 2008 till now. Please bear in mind, despite the high mileage zig zag traveling Garth and Maud have been doing, Garth has been producing and performing on two cds of his own during this time. And that is not in New York. The calendar also does not reflect the many places Garth and Maud have traveled to for session work, or the sessions Garth has done in Ulster County. July 4th 2008 is an arbitrary date, it just coincided with what I googled. But look at the calendar in that time frame,. Is that the calendar of a local musician? Or that of a upper northeast local musician?


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, I'm sure you're too much into this round to realize when someone is just rattling your cage for fun. Relax, I'm just funnin you.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Pete on Garth?

Pat wrote : "After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio".

This does not hinge upon frequent world touring, which was not the orignal point anyway, Pete.

Out of curiousity, and of course you are not required to answer, but do you agree with Pat's written statement that I pasted at the top of this post? Do you consider Garth a upper east coast local musician?

If you answer, try to remember, Pat writes about himself and his writing: "I write exactly what I think".

BTW, OQ versus 80s or 90s band? Cmon now. Pete, That rehashing of that old presentation of yours continues to mostly ignore all the wonderful, great music they made, the greatness of many of their shows. And far as your considerations as to what may have happened if Robbie ( Rob just donlt seem right)stayed in The Band, or was invited to join the reforming Band, as you admit, there is no way to gauge what would have happened. Hell, one possibility is the goddamn impossible way of life may have really proven too much for him, and who knows where that may have led. I won't even speculate, but the positive or gruesome possibilties are endless.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

Hi and Thanks!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: OQ v 90s

NEWS POINT: Record Collector quotes John Paul Jones. “Chest Fever” was rehearsed extensively for “Led Zeppelin” (one) but didn’t make it to being recorded.

I wasn’t going to do this any more. It’s a waste of breath. it’s repetitive. I’ve had my rabies shots though, so can ignore the junkyard dogs.

A couple of times in the Bay area in (say) 13 years is not frequent world touring. That was the original point. The Band came to the UK once after 1994, Rick did one visit solo, Garth has been most often, three times (I think). None of it constitutes a Never-Ending tour, in that in the same period I’ve seen Paul Simon three times, Bob Dylan three times, James Taylor and Leonard Cohen twice each without having to go more than 100 miles. I could have seen them many times more (and would have had it been The Band.) A major reason why it didn’t happen was The Band were not a big enough draw to support major tours.That’s not ability; that’s under-achieving management. So, their radius of operations was mainly the broad north-east.

As to the Original Quintet and the 90s Band. I thought the 90s Band was great, but were never as good in the OQ in a month of Sundays.

Why? Richard Bell was technically a pianist as least as good (pianists tell me technically better) than Richard. On some tapes, they sound better with just Randy Ciarlante on drums than they do with just Levon on drums. Jim Weider could play anything, and sounded most interesting on new stuff rather than old stuff. Garth had continued to get better and better. Rick and Levon were probably no better than they had been twenty years earlier. No worse either.

Where they failed was material. Period. Too much samey dull blues; Rick Danko not given the solo spotlight enough. Who would ever choose to plow through Caldonia, Same Thing, Stuff You Gotta Watch in preference to Rick doing Small Town Talk, Driftin’ Away or Blue River? Which are “more Band-like” to you?

They were a singer short. As Richard was becoming a liability by 1976 rather than an asset, I don’t think that mattered quite so much live as they’d been focussing less on his songs already by then. But it DID cut down on the variety and the light and shade in a concert. It also seriously cut an edge off the blend.

The set list wasn’t as good as it should have been. They didn’t try new stuff. They lacked the drawing power of a Van or Dylan who alter their set lists 50% from show to show. OK, Van Morrison or Dylan is in your home town tonight? Get a ticket. Tomorrow night, fifty miles away? At least half different material. Get another ticket. The 90s Band? Will they play Deep Feeling or Many Rivers to Cross as Jim’s feature tonight? That was about the shift between shows. I wouldn’t have chosen to see them two nights running very often.

By Jubilation it was manifestly too many cooks spoil the broth – too many guitarists along for the ride, with very little with all three originals playing together.

The reason they didn’t have material? First, they sat hard on their surviving (if not terribly prolific) songwriter, Rick, and didn’t let him do his solo stuff which is why he kept doing solo shows, I expect. So, you have the guy who co-wrote This Wheel’s On Fire, an incredibly well-known song because of Ab Fab (and Julie Driscoll and Bob Dylan and Siouxsie & The Banshees). He’s there on stage. Do you perform it? Nah, you do a twelve bar instead. So why was that? Would he perhaps have started to look like “the leader”?

Garth should have had at least two spots doing material like “Sea to the North” as well as The Genetic Method. The new members always called Levon “the boss”. From years of listening to many people, I concluded long ago it was neither a democracy nor a triumvirate and it suffered from that.

But mainly, they didn’t have the material because they didn’t have Robbie Robertson. Astute choices of two brilliant songs, Blind Willie McTell and Atlantic City covered their arses on Jericho. Then what? They did good stuff they didn’t record too (Kingfish, Louisiana 1927).

Another missing factor about Robbie is the “What might have been?” Robbie showed genuine interest in new bands and new sounds, and had he stayed on board, I’m sure the mid-90s set would have sounded very different indeed because new light would have been cast on old songs rather than retreading them. They would have changed. For starters, Garth would have been given his head to develop songs (just listen to what he did with “Jupiter Hollow.”) They’d have drawn on wonderful material like Soap Box Preacher (Levon singing) and Making The Rules (Rick singing), and no one would have done Somewhere Down the crazy River as well as Robbie. Whatever. Might have been for the worse, who knows? But they couldn’t have been tagged an oldies show.

In the end, on the first night of a play, the audience stand up and applaud, calling “Author! Author!” The 90s Band didn’t have “the author.”


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ben, Share Your Love is on the two Roosevelt Stadium boots (73). We Can Talk was part of the 1971 Europe tour and appears in fair audio quality on RAH. Same show that produced Look Out Cleveland from AMH. Little Birdies is on the Winterland boot in poor quality--their second show IIRC.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The supreme insults

RR & four other guys, playing what RR told them to play. The junk yard dog, as usual just can't be trained.

Then has the audasity, ignorance and bad manners to expect Sebastian to converse with him. Why any one will even bother to acknowledge any of this script is mistifying.

Then of course he will demand that everyone apologize to him. The only part that is entertaining, is the spelling, typing and leaving out words, and putting in too many, that does make for some interesting possibilities of imagination in what the theme really is.

DLEW 90210! What is going on??? As Susan's daughter is having her first child in two or three weeks, I may be persuaded to journey to your island this fall, (Susan says November maybe.) We could go "Walkabout" for about six months Say Mate?


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Posted by:

Pat B

Yeah, Steve, quoting Garth can really raise some hackles.


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Posted by:

Bud

Location: the Indoor Garden

Subject: plus ca change...

We have a new junk yard dog around here, these days, stepping up to replace our departed BUMBLES.


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Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: BEG

So Very Nice to hear from you! A pleasant respite.

As usual Thanks for the Robbie posts.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Dave,I haven't the time, and I may not have the inclination, or i;d google up more Garth appearances in your vicinity in the last ten years. The fact is, you have had opportunites to see him. Since you did not even know those 2 opportunites existed, I'd prefer to use the time I have now to help you through you crisis a little more. Living with this new knowledge could be a little a difficult for you.

I wonder when became familiar with The Band and Garth's work? Or it is possible that you always knew The Band but only recently learned that The Band was not RR and 4 guys that played what RR told them to play, how and when he told them to play it. Maybe that explains how you blew every chance you had to see Garth perform in the SF vicinity in the last ten years or more.

Hitting The read more extension is necessary to view all of Garth's All Music Bio at the above link.

I don't think All Music's bios are all necessarily complete or even accurate, but i will point out that this bio of Garth contradicts any assertation that he is a local musician.

In my not so humble opinion, for any one to put any sort agenda driven and or self serving ruling on the local or non local musician status of a musician who has accomplished what Garth has, has had the influence Garth has, and has traveled as much as Garth Hudson has is absurd. \Garth and Maud travel plenty for musical purposes and performances, and Garth's sphere of influence is interplanetary.

But getting back to you Dave, To want to see Garth or Levon play is a good desire.

It is possible to see Garth play. Sometimes in this world, peopel get off their tucchas and go to where the mountain is at that moment or going to be. Thinkign that just because SF is the fourth lasrgest metropliatan area in the country (i think that is what you wrote) it would be easy or porfitable for Garth or Levon to appear there and perform, is not necessarily correct thinking. If that is what you think.

Gotta run.

But before I run,back to the facts. Dave, you never did say,do you consider either Levon or Garth local musicians?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Last one that I had saved up for sharing.

Dylan and The Band 1974 huuuuge photo.

Can you tell that I especially dig Dylan with The Band and The Band with Dylan?


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Germany
Web: My link

Subject: Make You Feel My Love

When the rain is blowing in your face

And the whole world is on your case

I could offer you a warm embrace

To make you feel my love

When the evening shadows and the stars appear

And there is no one there to dry your tears

I could hold you for a million years

To make you feel my love

I know you haven't made your mind up yet

But I would never do you wrong

I've known it from the moment that we met

No doubt in my mind where you belong

I'd go hungry, I'd go black and blue

I'd go crawling down the avenue

There's nothing that I wouldn't do

To make you feel my love

The storms are raging on the rollin' sea

And on the highway of regret

The winds of change are blowing wild and free

You ain't seen nothing like me yet

I could make you happy, make your dreams come true

Nothing that I wouldn't do

Go to the ends of the earth for you

To make you feel my love

Couldn't have said it better myself, Dylan is a master

Have to google (mobile.de) a new car for my love now. The old one is more than 10 years, at the moment in Germany we get $3.500,- from the government to demolish it in order to help BMW, Mercedes and Porsche through the crisis. A nobel initiative, I love this country.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Artist/Band: Bob Dylan and The Band

Photographer: Omar Newman

Photo ID: ON-3003-001

Date: 1975

Just some links I had saved up from before. Apologies to anyone who already posted any of these links.

:-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dylan: Once Again, It's Alright Ma

Monday January 21, 1974

4 pages



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Willie Dixon & Robbie Robertson - The Seventh Son


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

THE SONG ANALYST: “Broken Arrow” Posted by Michael Shorr on November 1st, 2007

"Today we’re going to talk about “melodic rhythm”; it’s used in Robbie Robertson’s song “Broken Arrow.”

"Now in theory, it seems like a flat melody would be boring. But keeping a melody flat does a number of things. For one, there’s a sense of consistency, solidity and strength, and there’s emphasis. In the case of this song, the repetition has a feeling of urgency, of the same message being repeated over and over. And, in fact, the melody is emphasizing the urgency of the lyrics:

Who else is gonna bring you a broken arrow? Who else is gonna bring you a bottle of rain?

Robertson is showing just how strongly he feels about these questions and how important they are by the power of melodic repetition."


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Posted by:

Steve

OK, now that Pat has fessed up to being the instigator of this most recent dust up, I think we can move on.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

I'm a fan of the Band and its members. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, the fourth largest metropolis in the USA. I would love for Garth (or Levon, for that matter) to come out here and play a gig. I'm sure there would be plenty of people who would love to see them; the Bay Area's full of lovers of great music. Garth's apparently only played one solo show here in at least ten years or more, plus a Burrito Deluxe gig in Santa Rosa and a couple that are a six-hour drive or more away at the opposite end of the state. Levon hasn't played out here in many years. If I lived in Woodstock I could see them play a lot. All the time. Year after year. Doesn't disrespect anyone, but the facts are the facts. Can we put this to rest?


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

As the baby-like tears indeed run down my face, I withdraw my previous post. Apologies.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Just the facts are the facts.

Sorry Dave, but i can't resist. I agree, " the facts are the facts".

And speaking for myself, when it gets put to rest, tucked in by correct facts, I'll leave it rest.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Dave, you are gonna kick yourself.

Knowing you were not accurate, and then doing two googles and 5 minutes of reading, here are two Garth appearnces in the San Franscisco area that did happen within the last ten years. You did write this regarding Levon and Garth: "I don't know how many years it's been since either has played a show in the vicinity, but easily ten or more."

1) Garth and Maud at Slim's. In San Francisco, June 2004.

2) With Burrito Deluxe Sunday, Dec. 5, 2004. At the Last Day Saloon. 120 Davis St., Santa Rosa. Santa Rosa is pretty close. Davis was about 2 and a half to three hours out of Frisco, Santa Rosa was closer I recall.

Hit the link up there Dave. You gonna cry like a baby. If you scroll down that page you'll read Mark in Sonoma write about the goosebumps he got hearing Garth play accordion.

I;m pretty darn tootin sure if i kept diggin i'd find more Garth appearances in The Frisco area in the last ten years.

but I aint gonna bother. Two is enough. Want to see people when they hit your town, gotta be on your toes. I've got no beef with you, but I do know Garth gets around a lot more than most people realize. And if people paid more attention to what actually does happen, they could possibly get to see him.

All that said, I hope you get to see Garth perform a few more times Dave.

BTW, there were a bunch of LA and San diego area appearances as I recall. Burrito Deluxe, also some Garth and Maud. I think i recall some with Peaches and also a couple with some blues rock guy. Driving from Frisco to LA to see Garth also is not a bad idea. It is a lot closer than Woodstock. I ain't telling you what to do,or what you should have done. Just saying you had more opportunities than you realize. Sept 04, i knew Burrito deluxe wasn't too likely to hit St Louis any time soon, I coulda drove to Chicago to see em, but figured i 'd get a better show in Nashville. So i drove a few hours further than the drive to Chicago woulda been. Turns out, I made the right choice. It was a hot show. Sneaky Pete was on his game, and Garth was spectacular. My reporter in Chicago told me that Sneaky was not having a great night at that Chicago show. When great music beckons, a little schlepping can be very rewarding. Fun too.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

So, I guess no one has ever heard "Even If It's A Pig?" I think it's time the Band's very own "You Know My Name Look Up The Number" surfaced for all to enjoy. Has anyone heard the Band's opening set at Isle Of Wright?" I do think the Dylan set, which I recently heard in total for the first time, is petty bad. They seemed a little nervous and pretty badly miked. I don't think, even on the worthless boots I had in days of yore, that I ever heard a live take of "We Can Talk." Has anyone ever heard the early "Little Birdies?" "Smoke Signal" and "Volcano" were also done live. There should be, somewhere, a decent live take of "Share Your Love" from the 74 tour. Do you guys know about this CROZ FM guy? He has posted some pretty cool Dylan and Band stuff but I'd like to know if there is more quality 74 tour stuff out there. I'm perfectly capable of droning on and on about this stuff until somebody else says something, as long time posters know.... Oh yeah, on the CROZ thing I got a fairly recent Dylan concert take on "Yea Heavy and a Bottle Of Bread (!)" Pretty good too!


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

By the way, Dlew919, thanks for the compliment the other day. I'll take em' however I can get em'. I don't know for sure that I always put things the best way, but occasionally I can manage to be succinct enough to be effective.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Keeping the theme....


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

I'm a fan of the Band and its members. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, the fourth largest metropolis in the USA. I would love for Garth (or Levon, for that matter) to come out here and play a gig. I'm sure there would be plenty of people who would love to see them; the Bay Area's full of lovers of great music. I don't know how many years it's been since either has played a show in the vicinity, but easily ten or more. If I lived in Woodstock I could see them play a lot. All the time. Year after year. Doesn't disrespect anyone, but the facts are the facts. Can we put this to rest?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: NORM!

You sound like a member of the People's Front of Judea! Come and join the Judean People's Front!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Pat on Garth

Pat : "After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio. "

You might as well be complete Pat.

And once again, "primarily" has nothing to do with it. How many times in a year or a decade would Garth have to leave the upper east coast to perform, be it in the studio or on stage, for you to characterize him as other than a upper east coast musician Pat? Maybe you chose to ignore al the places other than the upper east coast that Garth has performed live, and performed in the studio, but I don't choose to ignore either. even so, there have been more than enough live performances outside the upper east coast that your charcterization is absurd.



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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff took "exception". The actual term I used was "east coast local musician", which means he played primarily on the east coast, you know, like NY, PA, VT, NH, Maine, MD, Delaware, VA, DC. Jeff also had some difficulty with "international reputation in the studio" which seems pretty laudatory to most people.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Pat on Garth. Norbert, Kevin, you both need to go back and read the thread from the beginning.

Kevon and Norbert, You;ve never read, and you'll never read anything I've written that could in any way be construed as neagtive about Garth.

Pat very clearly characterized Garth as a local musician with an international reputation in the studio. I took exception tot hat. I certainly do appreciate the fact that Pat has returned to portray that facts untruthfully. Thank you Pat.

While trying to support his absurd and incorrect statement Pat also characterized Jimmy Vivino as a local musician. He did not actually write it as a declaration, but via a question to me he did make that point.Jimmy hasn't been a local musician since sometime in the 80s. Besides which, if Jimmy never left LA the entire rest of his career, since the early 90s, Jimmy been performing for the whole world 5 nights a week on TV. Before on Late Night, Now on the Tonight Show. Pat never did answer me or Todd, though we both did answer the issue and ask Pat about that. Just one more time Pat can't admit that he's been wrong. No big deal, like I said, he's consitent and increasingly adept.


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Posted by:

Todd

Ding! I thought it was a Pavlovian conditioning experiment gone awry.

Actually, I thought that there were some good points made, and it's clear that both Jeff and Pat are passionate about The Band....(but not in a weird way). I think it's also clear that, although many of us may have differences of opinion from time to time, most of us would probably get along just fine in the real world. After all, we've all got exquisite taste in music. I don't think that's ever been in question.

Can I get a "Kum Ba Yah"?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: OH YEAH!!!!!

I'm takin' offense at "Everything" everybody is sayin'.......so shut the fuck up.....all-a-yuz!!!!!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Actually, if you go back and look, it was Steve and Jeff getting mad at something Garth said in a newly posted article at What's New. All I did was note that the article was posted and the tenor of it.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Somebody better get this straightened out quick. These guys are leaking like sieves.


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Posted by:

Lars

pssst....it was Jeff taking offence at something Pat said about Garth.


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Posted by:

Norbert

pffff .... It was Pat taking offense at something Jeff said about Garth.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, though it was days ago, I think I remember Jeff taking offense at something Pat said about Garth, not the other way around. Maybe you could extend your suggestion to Pat. Just trying to be helpful


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

It's interesting, given that John Simon has in retrospect minimized his contribution to the Stage Fright album (and was not given production credit, just a "special thanks" on the sleeve), to see the contemporaneous account in the article--according to which he seems involved considerably.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

While it was definitely weird – I did find the Pat and Jeff interchanges to be somewhat entertaining…..perhaps Jeff can be recruited to bring back some of the other of the all time great posters….say something bad about the Springsteen Jeff – and perhaps our old favorite from Liverpool will reemerge….or slam Zep and maybe Julie will come back……….Off for a few beers – if I meet a beauty tonight, I’ll remember to not tell her that “in a weird way, I enjoy your passion” or maybe I will…………..


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: I really enjoy those old newspaper accounts of The Band……always fascinating to see what was being said at the time……John Simon loved “The Rumour”…… Robbie in his oh so interesting take felt that CSN&Y really made music to please an audience rather than please themselves. One starts to realize just how responsible Robbie was in helping to shape the position that rock critics accepted as gospel – that The Band was just so much better and cooler than everyone else…….It Was true but interesting how a spokesmen for any entity can help get a message across. I recall John Fogerty saying years later that he loved the Band and all that but at the time it did bother him that critics felt that they walked on water and gave CCR very little credit because in his view he just was not a very good or interesting interview……….

The Larry Campbell June 11 article from What’s New is interesting in how he answers the Dylan question. Leads one to think that the parting may have left some hurt feelings. The Dylan band has not been nearly as strong live – in my view – since Larry left……anyhow to Levon’s and our benefit I guess….

Mavis Staples and Shemekia Copeland are scheduled to play at the Tremblant Blues Fest in July. Perhaps some of our Montreal regulars will attend….


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Claire

There are probably a whole bunch of people out in front of the plant breathing deeply. :)


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Posted by:

Claire

Web: My link

Subject: Green energy

I wonder what effect the second-hand smoke will have.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: http://theband.hiof.no/articles/a_recent_encounter_with_robbie_robertson.html

Subject: if there's nothing else to talk about ...

... how about the aged article in "What's New" (see link). All sorts of interesting stuff - the Band and "Zabriskie Point", the Band and "Ned Kelly", the Band and "Easy Rider", the Band and "Zachariah", Neil Young being willing to take over for Robbie, Robbie putting forward Van Morrison's name, the just-in-timeliness of "Just Another Whistle Stop" ...


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Mike Nomad

Same thought at the same time.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Friendo/ Pat B

I know this is probably a futile request but here goes anyway. Jeff and Pat, could you please take this argument private. I don't know about anyone else, but I've had enough.

Lars, do they come with maple syrup (for sure a Band connection)? Canadian maple syrup.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Suggestion to Pat 'n' Jeff: Hey, get a motel room already!!


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: night moves

What an excellent idea, Landsome. I will take the old man tomorrow nite and it will be a birthday, fathers day and anniversary gift all rolled up in a nice little bundle of horse shit! Such a plan. Thank you for the tip, Landy.


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Posted by:

Steve

Too bad they're closing Gitmo, $1.9 mil doesn't sound like a serious enough deterrent. Waterboarding and thumbscrews may make her reveal who else is involved. I'm willing to bet more are involved that just this one woman. Conspiring with others to download should also be a crime.


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Posted by:

bob w,

Web: My link

For what it's worth.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Today's Trivia

Apologies if I've already posted this one. Short term memory is startin to go.

Who can identify the Canadian singer-songwriter who turned one hundred earlier this year? The ultimate road warrior. Because of his longevity and the size of the audiences this gentleman may have sung before more people than anyone else. Ever.

Good news is that I've got tickets for Marty Stuart on my birthday. Bad news is I have to work the bar for a Rex Goudie (local Idol performer) concert the following week. Oh well, proceeds are for a worthy cause to be determined later.

Have a great weekend all.


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Posted by:

Steve

Hey, DOWN IN FRONT, and no one eats til this is over. The last thing we need is everyone chewing and drowning out the sound track.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Flapjacks

Lars, I could go for a nice stack (or two) right now!


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The murky woods of Ulster County

Subject: The Iron Men

Say....who else could go for some flapjacks right about now? It'll help keep up your strength.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat: "I write exactly what I think."

Which is the point I have been writing about for many years now. More frequently these last two, very frequenty the last couple months, most frequently the last few days. As I wrote, there is no error in your writing. Everything reads exactly how you want it to read.


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Posted by:

Pat B

No, Jeff, what you write is circular and obtuse. I write exactly what I think.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat. No error of your ways to show. No error. You were the cpatain of your high school debating team, were you not? BEG reminded us about that a few years back. You are a published civil war historian, are you not? It is reasonable to expect that with your expertise and your superior command of the english language, that nothing you write is in error. When i conduct seminars on your writing, it is a kinda like a instructional video for aspiring Republican politicians.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Honestly, Jeff, I can't understand anything you write anymore. You're capable of insulting people then arguing for hours that it wasn't an insult. And your continual reference to "showing the folks" the error of my ways speaks for itself.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Abby, will you be attending the first night racing card ever at Churchill Downs tomorrow night?


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Posted by:

Steve

Abbs, I've always found your sense of humour to be spot on. You've got the touch.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat. You are too much. Just can't argue straight, can you? Of curse, this is nonsense, but here goes. Just to show the folks how good you are at this.

Two posts back you wrote:" Jeff, in a weird way I really enjoy your passion. I do think it's underlined by a defensiveness for the four guys who chose to resuscitate The Band in 1983."

In repsonse to the first sentence I wrote: " It's nice you can enjoy that I am passionate about The Band. But sad that you have to view your enjoyment of that as weird and my actual appreciation and love as defensiveness for the guys who resusitated The Band.And you miss the fact that I loved RRs contributions."

To which you responded:"Weird..." is easy to explain. This is weirdly interesting, even with all your cheapshots. I certainly don't find your love of the group weird. Sorry you misunderstood."

First, I didn't question yor use of the word weird. I commented on it. Your response, though you do not say I questioned, intimates I questioned. But of course, it doesn't have to intimate that either. So you are walking the line there. Then you say thet "I certainly don't find your love of the group weird. Sorry you misunderstood." Well, you know i didn't write that I thought you thought that my love of the group was weird. What i wrote was plain, starightforward and was something completely different. But, as usual, since you can't argue the points to your favor, you misrepresent the facts of the argument. And the meat of the argument I made on that subject i began in the quote, you completely avoid.

Like I said, you are amazingly consistent and getting increasingly adept. I expect soon you'll be running for pubic office.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Stuff

yeah, "Million Dollar Bash" does a great job of putting the sessions into a historic perspective with logical speculation as to what Dylan was thinking at the time. As someone who has actually suffered through a screening of the painful "You Are What You Eat", it was interesting to find out that it actually served a pretty important purpose in making the sessions possible. I thought the book gives Garth some overdue credit the way "Across The Great Divide" reminded the world of Richard's contribution. Again, has anybody even HEARD "Even if It's a Pig?" How about a bootleg with "Little Birdies?" The kid who opened for Prine was likable but I thought kinda forgettable. He has a sort of known song called "Kathleen."


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Posted by:

old abby

Bout time, son


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Jeff and Pat

The scab was picked off but I think we're at the point where the healing has started. Feels good eh, that kind of itchy feeling without the pain. Hey OLD ABBY, I just may get myself a Danko or Helm shirt.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Ben Pike

I think I'm getting Million Dollar Bash for Father's Day,but no problem if I dont, as I have a $25 gift card ftom Barnes&Noble for being such a good credit card customer&I'll get it myself if need be. On a lighter literary note I'm currently reading that 33 1/3 "faction" book which is allegedly about the making of Big Pink. The guy took the Hoskyns approach of poaching interviews&articles & taking bits&pieces of info&anecdotes - all of which are wellknown to the Band diehards around here - & incorporating it into the "story"(quote marks mean this story is purely fiction about real people while Hoskyns' isn't but he still tells a story in his books). Its a fast read- I read about 3/4 of it inafew hours the other day, a bit more on the throne this AM, & should have it finished when I have a free half hour or so. Aside from it being a lurid story told from the point of view of a real sleazy type, my main beef is that ther'e precious little on the making of the album, which was supposedly the hook of this faction series(at least thats what I thought when it hit a couple years back). The narrator hangs with some of the guys in The Band - not named The Band yet, of course - off&on over a couple year period along with everyone else in that scene of the time&scores an advance copy of the album&he waxes eloquently on how it blew his mind&of course changed the world when it became public. There's one single scene in which he gets into the NYC studio where they're working on it & encounters Garth&John Simon actually working on Chest Fever but other than that there's zilch re the making of the album itself. I'm curious as to whether anyone read any of the others in the 33 1/3 series, & if they deal with the actual making of the albums? Anyway, I'll finally be reading Griffin's book soon&am looking forward to it.......


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, just two things. When they played TLW in 76, we the die-hards did think it was over. When they came back we were overjoyed. I was privileged to see them in October of 83 twice in one weekend on The Band is Back tour--I also did the radio spots for Chicago and the midwest. As noted elsewhere, I was lucky enough before that tour to open for Levon and Rick and spent an epic evening with them. From that point on, by my own reckoning (Bill M), I saw various versions of the group and solo/duo performances almost 20 times. I've said many times that the Rick/Richard show that I saw twice at the Cubby Bear was profound both were unleashed by the constrictions of the group's setlist and did Band songs I had rarely heard live--Unfaithful Servant, The Rumor being two. So I suppose I do have perspective, a perspective that includes seeing th OQ five times. And to be honest, I don't think they ever came close to the first two times, although the Dylan 74 tour was deep for a lot of reasons.

"Weird..." is easy to explain. This is weirdly interesting, even with all your cheapshots. I certainly don't find your love of the group weird. Sorry you misunderstood.


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Posted by:

abby

Being out and about wearing one of my Levon Helm t-shirts or even my Rick Danko t-shirts always seems to result in a pleasant conversation with a previously unknown fellow human-being, which results in a reminder that this is indeed a big, old sweet world. Band fans. They're everywhere. Nice people too.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: What's New?

Yesterday's What's New? link "Live review: John Prine, Levon Helm @ Red Rocks Amphitheatre" offers a pretty sketchy review of the show but contains some fantastic photographs of the performers.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Pat, I meant to say thanks for the Ventures clip. Enjoyed it. Bob Bogle was a terrific player.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat, you have more answers coming, tomorrow or the next day. Now, all I have time to answer at all is that after almost seven years of my posts you still try to portray my appreciation for the work and contributions of Garth, Levon , Rick, & Richard as tied to the fact that they resusicitated The Band. That's pretty weak and ignores the heart if what I have written about at length. It's sad and unfortunate that you can't get yourself to validate the great music that The 80s and 90s Band was able to perform, the meaning that had, and the beauty that that Band lent to people's lives as real.

"Jeff, in a weird way I really enjoy your passion. I do think it's underlined by a defensiveness for the four guys who chose to resuscitate The Band in 1983." It's nice you can enjoy that I am passionate about The Band. But sad that you have to view your enjoyment of that as weird and my actual appreciation and love as defensiveness for the guys who resusitated The Band.And you miss the fact that I loved RRs contributions.

My appreciation for Garth, Rick, Richard and Levon is an appreciation of them for probably everything musical they did since they & RR joined The Hawks, including they & RR becoming The Band, including resucitating The Band, and including all their solo efforts. And because of my love ansd appreciation for the whole of The Band's efforts, I have a willingness to argue with anyone who attempts to deny, denigrate,and devalue the muscial accomplishments and worthiness of the post Last Waltz Band and it's members simply beacuse they can't find it in themsleves to value what they did as the 80s and 90s band.

You may chosse to consider TLW the end of The Band, because you loved them for eight years.And thought they were The Best Band In The world. I understand that. I don't have to agree with thinking it was the end of The Band. Others, including me, loved them too, but don't feel The Band ended when you feel they did. I won't argue that the OQ weren't the best band in the world. If they weren't, they were one of them. No other "rock band" came close, but there were jazz and blues bands to hold league with them. But bands change. And can still be great.Can still be otherwordly. Still deliver beauty and magic. And people still enjoy them and appreciate that.. I don't care that you personally haven't been able to find enough enjoyment in the work and performance of the 80s and 90s Band to be able to be complimentary towards them. But I do think that your endless portrayal of the 80s and 90s band as practically impostors of the OQ is a drag.They were different. It is unfortunate that you couldn't find things to be complimentary about in the 80s and nineties band. And I think it unfortuante that though you announced you were goign to see Levon play in CHicgao, you haven't been able to find it in yoruslef to say anything about Levon's performance. Almost a week has passed. Was it that bad that you can't get yourself to talk about it?

I can relate to your disappointment when the Last waltz was announced.But because that happened, doesn't mean The Band ended. I loved The Band too. I was busted up too.And I knwo how rare it is to achieve the kind of beauty that Big Pink and Brown did. And I know how rare it is to get 5 guys to be able to perform to the levels The Band did. That is why I was so fucking happy when i was able to see Danko in Davis, not long after, and why i was so happy when they reunited. And why I was so ahppy when the 80s and 90s Band did dleive that kind of beauty and magic. Yes, it did happen Pat. It was not unattainable. There were times. And aside form Bannd shows too. No, things coudlnlt have exactly been the same, but guwess what. Had RR not wanted to bail, and had there never been TLW things would have been different too. The Band would have changed other ways. There were times of amazing beauty Pat. And . And wiht not even a handful of exceotions, i was always happy i saw ny of them perform. Anywhere, with anyone, for any reason. And always Somwhere along the line, there were always sounds that shook me to my core.Sounds that noone else coudl ever deliver. Most of the time, there were plenty of those sounds.As you know, I have a picky, uppity, ear. My ear don't accept substitutes. If a show sucks, I;ll say so. If a show is great, or has greatnes in it, I'll say so.

When Furay left Poco I was devastated. And Poco becaame a very different band. With the exceoption of Cotton,The songwriting changed and the singing changed alot too. and Then schmidt left and the singign changed even more. But lo and behold, they kept surprising me. With all the changes, I still always found songs and prrformances I loved. And though the shows eventually became increasibgly different ( we are talkign about from 1973 till now mind you) , there were always plenty of great moments in a show. Even today. I;m glad Poco didnt fold it's cards when Furay left and that tehy are still going. And I'm glad The Band picked up the pieces too. You may be stuck in time, and you may not be able to appreciate it, but the necesity for you and others to try to indoctrinate the idea that The 80s and 90s Band wasn't worthy of the name The Band, has been very wrong.And The inability to take what they offered to heart,enjoy it, cherish it and be nurtured by it, has cost you.Maybe you never caught a great 80s or 90s Band show in Chicago. If that is the case, i can understand a little more, but still , then your long held positions can only be seen as your refusal to respect others reports of great shows as real. That would be wrong and condescending Of course, just like you wrote what you do think, this is all just what I think and you can think it's bullshit if you like.


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Posted by:

Pat B

"It sure is a good thing some one shut off that microphone. Other wise all those years of performing that Levon, Garth, Rick, & Richard did post Last waltz might haver been negated. The damage may have been irreparable." Jeff, in your world this isn't an insult? I'm somehow being untruthful by considering this an insult?

Since you swung and missed, my point about TLW and the recent Levon show was to demonstrate how young fans regard the movie, which is extremely positively in a near religious sense. In that way it was perfectly relevant. To be honest, I don't feel the need to interview people about their feelings for the group.

Finally, was there some component in your beseeching of Sebastian and his dad to embarrass me? I'm honored you'd think it so important that you tried to go to the top.

Jeff, in a weird way I really enjoy your passion. I do think it's underlined by a defensiveness for the four guys who chose to resuscitate The Band in 1983. What you may miss is that, for some of us, TLW represented an end to a group we knew and loved for eight years. Remember too that we embraced this group that also had helped create the bootlegs of RAH and the Basement Tapes, both of which were circulating in the late 60's-early 70's. I mean, that's some important shit right there. Sitting around in the high school cafeteria discussing BP and the Brown album as huge works of art. Seeing them in 1969 redefine what a rock group was supposed to sound like, a chamber group balance of nuance, electricity, voices. And Garth at the Lowrey. Whew. Anyway, what I'm trying to describe is simple. When they announced the LW and played SNL, I cried like a baby. When I went to the movie I cried like a baby, especially Dixie. I had seen and loved the best band in the world, The Band.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Paid music blogger request. Might ring a few bells.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: Levon on PBS

This just in from my source at GPTV, the PBS station in ATL: The Levon Helm Band will be part of the August Pledge "package." This doesn't mean every market will show Levon's portion of the show . . . but if you are interested, you can call and ask -- request it if they say they aren't planning on showing it. Now, if you do this, please also be prepared to give to the "cause." PBS, like a lot of other non-profits, etc., is doing very poorly in this economy. Wouldn't hurt to ante up a few bucks.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Brien,it doesn't matter , Indoor , outdoors, 21 or 50, privacy is a nice thing, fresh or conditioned air aside.
I was hoping you'd show the lady that respect.
The way you structured your choice of words called that into question.

Regarding Monty Python, i don't think i ever watched one routine. No shite. Whilst i never had a problem understanding any caribbean accent, puerto rican , mexican israeli, polish, russian, chinese, paki, indian, dominican, all the other hispanic and a variety of other accents i was regularly exposed to growing up here, I never could get those accents the monthy python guys sported. Just hearing a few of those words, and i was out of contention. flipping channels or leaving the room.

the Beatles, I never had trouble understanding what they were saying.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Beseech Yourself

Pat B

Let us look at this last post of yours Pat:
Pat : “Jeff, if you think being the centerpiece in a major motion picture by Marty Scorsese that includes some of the biggest influences on music, a movie that has been seen--and continues to be seen--by millions of people, a movie that continues to earn plaudits over 30 years later as one of the greatest--if not the greatest--rock movie of all time, if you think that hasn't had a profound effect on how the group is viewed now, I can't help you. “

I must say, you are getting increasingly adept at writing these long sentence paragraphs that could mean this, and could mean that. Recently, when I responded to them, your response to me was something ending with …then “ I can’t help you”. Now you just incorporate the “ I can’t help you” up front. It is a pretty infantile attempt at an insult, but if you need to stoop that low, go right at it.

The way you wrote that sentence, it really is a trick- tease type thing. The only thing that that sentence actually does convert to , regarding Robbie being the centerpiece having a profound effect on how the group is viewed now, is actually pretty accurate. More and more people are wising to the fact that Robbie wasn’t actually the centerpiece of The Band, and that The Band wasn’t he and four other guys who played and sang how and what he wanted , when he indicated they should. More and more people have come to realize that in The Last Waltz Robbie has the most film space not because he was the only one worthy of all that time, or because it was his band, but because he and Marty locked themselves in a house, coked themselves up for a year or two, and edited it themselves. And because that is how Robbie & Marty (& the coke) wanted it to look.

Pat: “Since we're commenting on recent experiences, I sat six row center at Levon's show a week ago, and talked to a bunch of young musicians and some old-timers around me. They all mentioned the Last Waltz, some of them with religious enthusiasm, and two of the musos were particularly excited that Howard Johnson would be playing that night, since he had also performed at the Waltz. When I mentioned that he was also a part of RoA, they got even more jacked.” Pat, as usual you use both unrelevant and irrelevant data to answer a point. And you hope people will not notice. Young musicians and old timers at a Levon Helm band performance. Well Pat, that is a a rather limited group study Talk to musicians( regardless of age) and old timers at a Levon Helm Band concert, and it is 99.9999% reasonable to expect them to be familiar with TLW. I talk about The Band with young musicians, old timers, old musicians, young and old accountants, young and old lawyers, young and old doctors, plumbers, seamstresses, nurses, transit workers, photographers, sanitation workers, Verizon wireless installers, exterminators, cops, on and on. Today I talked music with a couple, both the man and woman worked for U.S Customs at the airport here.. Both were in their twenties, neither had heard of The Band, TLW, or knew the songs. A few weeks ago I spoke with a married couple in their forties about music. The woman is an online home based customer service rep for a co that sells cllasical music on line. I forget what the husband does, but it is a well paying career. Both husband and wife are musicians. The wife is a classicaly trained in flute, the husband plays guitar and keys, and is in a local band. Gave me his cds. They had a houseful of instruments and a great bassett hound. Both husband and wife knew the Band, The Last Waltz, and about Rambles. It is not unreasonable to hope that you talk about The Band with people that are not young musicians and old timers at Levon Helm performances, but if you do, you conveniently left them out of the points you made. Once again Pat, I really could care less. But I do like to let the readers see how you conduct your arguments.

What we just discussed really don’t mean a lot. The manner in which you argue, really does inform people though.

Pat, yet again: “On another note, some advice for you, Jeff. Don't beseech Sebastian to forward an inquiry of yours to his father one day then maliciously insult his dad the next. It's bad form. “

Number one, I never beseeched. I asked, very matter of factly. You can write beseech all you want. I asked Sebastian to ask his father a question. A question which when the context is considered, is probably embarassing to you.

Number two.
That is a rather fascistic manner in which you directed me how not to post. Though I often neglect to point out many times that you portray other people’s posts untruthfully, I do make that point frequently. However, I simply point out that you post untruthfully. I do not tell you not to post untruthfully. Sometimes I point out your untruth and refer to it as a lie, sometimes I point out your lie and refer to it as an untruth.

Number Three
Regarding the latest untruthful statement you made regards to a post of mine, I made no malicious insult to Robbie. The only thing I can think to which you may be referring is my statement that about shutting off a microphone. Which of course was Robbie's. Inferring that Robbie’s singing was not up to par with the singing that The Band was known for, and is on TLW, is not a malicious insult. It is a reference to a fact. I doubt Robbie would trade the harmony and trade off, call and response type vocals he could have recorded with The Band on all those great songs to be there in place of either Rick, Richard‘s or Levon‘s parts. I would think he is fully aware that replacing his parts for any of theirs would hurt the songs and detract from the beauty of their vocal performances,and in fact detract from the whole of the songs. You can state that I wrote a malicious insult then as many times as you want, but it remains a lie.

I do marvel at the consistency with which you become increasingly adeptly and aggressively untruthful.

All that other stuff said, I do have tremendous respect Robbie for all the great music he has been a part of making, for his being a contributing member to one of the greatest musical groups of all time, and am thankful for the efforts that he as made that have contributed to the enrichment of my life. And regarding TLW, I'm glad we have it. I do believe it's been important in The Band's popularity,to varying degrees at different times, and as I have written, as time wore on, to a large part throughoutt the 80s, 90s and in this century, with the aid of the peforming members of The Band it has helped keep the Band alive, but I also believe that as great as it is as a document, it could have actaully done a lot more for The Band had it been made or tweaked differently. Some of you guys like to talk about Band mismanagement. IMO,aspects of TLW are a good example of Band mismanagment. But then again, noone is perfect, and noone should be expected to be perfect.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Hey Ben Pike! Who opened for John Prine when you saw him? Trying to find someone who saw JP w/Steve Earle opening. Anyone see one of those shows?

Jan F.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Various

Sid Griffin's "Million Dollar Bash" is really great ( I love the Marcus book too) and has got me all Basement tapy again. It's a must. Two notes on singing: I've been listening to a bootleg of early Joni Mitchell. Her talent is obviously huge, but She was still singing in that Ian and Sylvia, operetta style most female folkies used at the time. Her switch to a more conversational style pretty much defines the folk to pop crossover. Joan Beaz never made the leap, and my theory is thats while She still drives a lot of people crazy. Peter V has often opined that Richard Thompson's singing is flawed by forced accents which made it impossible for him to warm to his fellow brit. I think the answer may be simpler. I recently download Fairport's "Poor Will and The Jolly Hangman." Pretty good Fairporty Fairport song, and early Thompson vocal. His performance, alas, is simply terrible and they should have made him practice and do it again. Some of his work on his first solo isn't a lot better. Though it never caught up to his playing and writing, Thompson's vocals would get better over the years, much more confident. On some of the ballads his singing could can be quite good, naked, and even original in style. There is a great vid of Fairport doing "Now Be Thankful" on Youtube, with Rich in the background where he belonged. Listening to the Band's King Biscut show, from the last tour, is really satisfying, although Richard's voice was not in top form and strained to put over "Tears Of Rage." The site lists the sound quality of the Hollywood Bowl Show as Very Good +. Could there be another tape of it? I had that thing back it the day and it blew. I'm trying to get "Even if it's a Pig" and the highly touted Lennex Ma show (once had it on tape) on a CD. If anyone has any suggestions for finding places where people trade such things please let me know. Hope that's not a personal message. Saw John Prine the other night, my first concert in years. Better than ever with a great three piece, Elvis style combo.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Sad News

To all the Long Island folks, The IMAC Theater in Huntington has closed for good.. A Sad loss for the music scene.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Burt Munro

Steve, thanks for the words, a great guy indeed.


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Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

The Library of Congress released the 2009 additions to the National Recording Registry. It's kind of interesting to see the what's on this year's list.

In addition to Winston Churchill's "iron curtain" speech, a 1943 radio program with Zora Neale Hurston, and Marian Anderson's concert from the Lincoln Memorial, Link Wray's "Rumble", Ralph Stanley's "Rank Stranger", Etta James's "At Last", John Lee Hooker's "Boogie Chillen", and the Who's first album are included.

Here's explanation of the Registry from the press release: "Under the terms of the National Recording Preservation Act of 2000, the Librarian, with advice from the Library’s National Recording Preservation Board (NRPB), is tasked with selecting 25 recordings that are "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant," and are at least 10 years old. The selections for 2008 bring the total number of recordings in the registry to 275."



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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: The end of an era

NORM- I'm right here, trying to get ready for another 2" of rain tonight and tomorrow. I hope the weatherman is wrong, the ground is saturated and another heavy rain could lead to problems.

You know, the west coast of Norway gets a lot of rain. I don't think the island of Stord (where I visit from time to time) ever gets a week without rain. Nantucket, on the other hand, seems to have cool, dry summers.

But I digress. Monty Python. A kick in the ass for sure. The trouble is we've been rehashing all of their gags for years now. One time we had everybody arguing about how hard their childhood was. The next post would start with "LUXURY!" Kind of makes you grateful for the little things in life.

I saw that interview yesterday between John Harwood and our president. Obama's got the killer instict, all right. Nailed that fly with a right hand. The camera showed the lifeless body on the carpet and it was the same fly who went after Garth. Little bastard had it coming.

Well Norm, lunch break is over. Got some repairs to finish. How long have you got before you have to go out again?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: David

That was exactly my thought when I saw that. Also, the Seven Samurai.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joan: Thanks for your kindly post. I tell myself that mine are several grades above those of my father and father-in-law, both of whose were/are exceptionally tiresome. But I know I'm lying.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: Swatting Flies

Speaking of The Last Waltz -- Was President Obama doing an imitation of Robbie Robertson yesterday when he swatted a fly during an interview?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Puns

Bill M: Very clever, I'm married to an incessant "punster". I have put him on a Lifetime pun ban. but it doesn't help. :)


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Posted by:

Ray

Subject: Electric Dirt

I just pre-ordered Electric Dirt from Amazon and I have to say that I think it's really fantastic and inspiring that Levon has had such a resurgence in the last 6 or 7 years. He's doing great things and it really does a heart good. I can't wait to get my hands on some more Dirt! I'm kind of jonesin' to get to a Ramble even though I went one early this year. I can only justify getting to one a year because of the price, however, I feel a rationalization coming on that'll probably trample all over the above mentioned justification.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Back to Monty Python Again?

Lars!!! Are you here?? Lets get the kid from down under goin' again.

The scene in the bleachers @ the colosium, when the christian is running around with a gladiator chasing him, (who has a cardiac). Discussing the Jewdia Liberation Front.

"I want to have a baby!" "Fuck off! Are you crazy? men don't have babies!"......."Well why not? It should be our right!" "Havin' a baby....blood 'ell you've lost your mind."


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

bob w, I'm sure you've perused Youtube for Ventures stuff, but this is particularly good.

The Band played Chicago in April of 1986, about a month after Richard passed. The Park West, about 800 seats. Blondie Chaplin sat in.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, if you think being the centerpiece in a major motion picture by Marty Scorsese that includes some of the biggest influences on music, a movie that has been seen--and continues to be seen--by millions of people, a movie that continues to earn plaudits over 30 years later as one of the greatest--if not the greatest--rock movie of all time, if you think that hasn't had a profound effect on how the group is viewed now, I can't help you.

Since we're commenting on recent experiences, I sat six row center at Levon's show a week ago, and talked to a bunch of young musicians and some old-timers around me. They all mentioned the Last Waltz, some of them with religious enthusiasm, and two of the musos were particularly excited that Howard Johnson would be playing that night, since he had also performed at the Waltz. When I mentioned that he was also a part of RoA, they got even more jacked.

On another note, some advice for you, Jeff. Don't beseech Sebastian to forward an inquiry of yours to his father one day then maliciously insult his dad the next. It's bad form.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Friendo - you've obviously have forgotten what 21 was about. It was spring, the party was outdoors and indoors - does it matter at 21.

I called it existential because, besides getting through that cryptic spelling and having lost my rosetta stone, it seemed you rambled on into an arena that went beyond basic instinct and compassion when you could have said that at the outset - short and simple. I know you like needling and gets you all in a stupor - that's why i continue to do the Monty Python Pointed Stick routine here today.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Undo pun-ishment, eh Norm?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Time Has Come Today!

Fits his cup to a T???? GAWD, GAWD, GAWD!!!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Thoughts of existential suffering? Brien. What I was discusssing is called human instinct, compassion, and loyalty. I don't even know what existential suffering means now.

I was 27 or 28 at that time. With the same instincts i had when i was 20 or 21.

Chick is spelled chick. I think Chic was a band Nile Rodgers was in.

Getting laid at a party? I hope, for the girl's sake, that if you did meet one who was game, that you were gentlemanly enough to pop for a motel, as opposed to just locking the bathroom door or using a corner of a crowded room at a the party.It was april, at the latest may, not yet exactly outdoor sporting weather if i recall.

good day everyone


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Go Down Moses

Most of the way through an article on Camille Paglia's talk last night in Toronto (see link) is a bit where she talks about her shock when teaching the lyrics to "Go Down Moses" to her undergraduate class. She's shocked not at what the students think "go down" might mean but at the fact that they don't even know who Moses was. I guess a familiarity with Miss Moses is out of the question altogether.


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Posted by:

Bill M

If there's a god, may I ask that the My Favourite Dictionary string be smited ASAP.

Joan: From the evidence, while 'grey' might not have given you paws, it did the fox.

Steve: Would you agree that Earl Grey's name suits his cup to a T? Anyway, decent yardage on that rush. Just two yards to go but, given our rules, just two downs left to do it in.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Besides - on that show, we had no tickets. We paid off some guys working the side entrance and then spent the night roaming around - the place was sold out. I remember that we just kept going around because the ushers/bouncers, kept telling us we couldn't just stand in a spot - so before they could ask us for tickets, we just moved on.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Friendo - good for you for staying but I remember at the time there was also a party to go to afterwards and there were going to be a lot of 'chic's' there - so we figured let's get this going a little earlier than expected. Those thoughts of existential suffering and such don't play the part in a 20/21 year old kid thinking that he's going to get laid at a party.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Okay, now that I' only tired and ot exahusted, yes, music is made by people, and people present music. Music is personal, I've always said it. There is very little in life that compares to unique musicians performing their unique songs well. When it was The Band and Band songs, when it was The Band members performing Band songs, it did more to personalize Band music to people than anything else could. Getting em to a show, other factors came into play, maybe even including someone else who took em to a show, maybe cause they were taken to a show. I used to take everyone i could to see The Band and Rick, Levon.Rick & Richard. . And they took other people. I never took anyone to see them who did not immediatley become inflicted , well there was one woman. Those sounds that The Band made, when they were on, and when you could see them onstage performingthose songs, nothing preserved and promoted The Band to less than previously fanatic people as much as that. For all the negative comments made here over the years about them not performing in larger halls, well, that cuts two ways. More people got to SEE them well, and interact with them, not just hear them. Aside form all the talk about mismangaemnt and lesser incomes, maybe that is part of how theywanted it. I dunno. I susoect they woudl have liek to play more miedium sized halls, for the bigger pay days, but there wer alot of those gigs. And clubs liek The Ritz, were pretty good sized. even the Lone Star Roadhouse, was a good sized gig.

And the sound is different too. which is not to say you can't have bad sound in a smaller venue or club. But it will usually be a mor eintitmate expoerience in a less than big hall.

t the 80s 90s band were missionar ies of sorts, not to romanticize or anything like that. BUt I was there, and i'm talking serious multiple dozen repeat offender. I saw what The Band meant to people, how their music effected people, spoke to people every show I went to. And there were always people who were on cloud 9, before and after the show. The only bad performance i ever saw was the first time they returned to the stage in the home area at The Capitol Theatre in Jersey. Possibly very likely the same show Brien was at. I don't recall the other acts but Gregg & Dickey sound about right, sound feasible. Blondie Chaplin was with them, they were all Zombie like including Blondie. This was a show where the tickets were sold before Richard died. The Band were troopers, and they were suffering. Had to be suffering, anyone with a brain knew that going in. But we were suffering too, and since they were trying to hold up their end of the bargain,anmd trying to meet obnligastions that obviosuly went beyond their own incomes, since they were mournign the loss of their brother and our uncle, and that is what those guys were to all of us who they raised, the only thing to do was be there and suffer and mourn with them, try to give back somethign they been giving us for a logn goddamn time. Its' an odd thing, but if they had to be there, it was right to be there with them. No the msuic wasn't right,but it coudlntl be, and music is a living thing. Dying is part of living, sickeness is part of living. It's goign to sometimes reflect in music. sometimes music heals, sometimes it has a fever, soemtimes it has a broken heart that isn't yet ready to express it self.I was a about 8 to 10 rows back from the stage. Being there was and had to be akin to being at a limb amputation but you don't leave your friend at that time.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Artificial Hip Check

Skating away on the thin ice of a new day.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Never seen the Band live

Like Todd, I'm too young. And because I'm an ignoramus, I didn't discover them till after Rick had passed... As always, Todd put it best - I never thoght of TLW as a 'Time Capsule', but it is, really, isn't it. Great film though.

Great reading reminiscences, though. Fantastic stuff.


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Posted by:

Coffee Al

Location: North Fork East End long Island

Reading the posts on seeing the Band-First time Woodstock 1969-We all went to see the Dead and Joplin. Lucky to check out the group called the Band-Liked them the first time i heard there sound. Really didn't know what to call it-Blue Grass? Country? Really not that good of a show-as i remember they seemed out of place-the Dead sucked!!! Got drafted in Sept 1969 and Vietnam bound i was. Next time caught the Band ,i was a student at NYU and caught the Central Park shows,think it was 1971-Great Shows!!! Since then have been a big Band fan. Didn't follow them that much afterwards,got on with life and others sounds of the 70's. Not until the Dylan Tribute show at the garden did i get back to the Band sound. Been to 2 Rambles and the Beacon shows-good to see levon back in form.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I was fortunate enough to see the reconstituted Band with Richard 3 times. It was a great pleasure to experience that. The best of the shows was a summer outdoors concert at Caldwell College - Bonnie Rait opened. I was a touch too young to see the OQ but at the time I had not heard of them. In fact, I didn't get into the Band until around 81, 82. So being able to see them was terrific in their own right. At the time, I didn't really realize who wrote what and didn't know much about the history of them - so when they toured, missing Robbie stunk but since he didn't sing really, it wasn't like the songs were going to be all that much difference. The Cate Brothers toured early on in those shows and the guitarist seemed to fit in with the sound just fine - though I always thought they were poor users of the stage- as they always seemed very cramped together. As I learned more about RR's role in the band that's when I was able to appreciate the soul he had brought to the material.

After Richard passed is when I was more in tuned to them and what the Band had meant to the history of Rock-n-Roll - remember this is well before the internet and getting info was not as easy as it is today. After Richard, I saw the Band play at the Capital Theatre in Passaic NJ with the Dickey Betts Band and the Greg Allman Band and then the two went on stage together and were great - the Band headlined (this being a month after Richard's passing) and were terrible - we walked out about 2/3 of the show - couldn't have that be a part of my experience. I didn't see the Band then for a few years. But when I did return to them, they always put on a great show. Saw them open for CSN once where Clarence Clemmons sat in for a few songs. I saw them once where Max Weinberg sat in for a few songs as well. Had the great opportunity to see them at Carniege Hall - one of the best shows I had the pleasure to experience. In all I saw the Band play about 9 or 10 times not including Rick and Levon solo shows. Great stuff to have witnessed over the years.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Band Experience

As someone who was too young to experience The Band the first time around, they had always felt like something from the past to me when I first started listening to the music. The Last Waltz presented a version of The Band; but it was a version fixed in time....a photograph from the past. Seeing The Band with Richard, Levon, Garth & Rick in 1985, seeing Levon in 1987, seeing Rick in 1988, and many Band shows in the 90's, along with more recent Levon Rambles helped to fill in the picture and bring the experience into the present.

TLW movie was like a time capsule. In contrast to that, the shows that I've seen were living and breathing human experiences. I'm happy that I got to experience them, sit in the same room, breathe the same air, and feel the vibrations of the music as it was being made. I'm thankful for all of it.

I'd say that Eric Clapton in many interviews & Jan Hoiberg as an archivist have done as much as anyone to help preserve the legacy of The Band. I've also known many people over the years who have come to know the Band's music through their connections with Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead.


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Posted by:

Friend0

There is post on levon's GB by a guy named Frank. In the post he talks about the effect that The Band's music had on his unit stationed in SouthEast Asia in 1970 and 71.Pretty moving post. Also some effusive posts about the LH Band Red Rocks performance.



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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Local 12

Pat, considering your reckoning about TLW, it sure is a good thing some one shut off that microphone. Other wise all those years of performing that Levon, Garth, Rick, & Richard did post Last waltz might haver been negated. The damage may have been irreparable.

RE TLW, without The Band getting back together like they did, and without all the other individual projects, TLW likely wouldn't a been able to prevent The Band from fading into not much more than a legend to the younger generations. And the fact that The Band were available to be seen and also accessible as humans made the bond even tighter to many of us. Living breathing music. Not just some of the greatest recordings ever..some of the most feelable music ever, became maybe even more feelable. I don't know if it is possible for that music to be magnified beyond it's own power, that's how great it's power was. But I do feel and suspect that Garth, levon, rick and Richard did accomplish that by virtue of their personalities and presences.

IMO It's not likely that the kids today would be getting the introduction to and education about The Band they are had the 4 other guys not been out there humping music and being The Band.

BTW, believe it or not, I meet people who did not see TLW, or any part of it. It's been happening a lot lately. But when I sing em part of The Weight or TNTDODD, they know the song. and who Levon is. there is the odd person who thinks that Dixie was strictly a Baez #. and i do meet people who when i ask em if they remember The Band , say yeah, Rick Danko, levon Helm. Garth Hudson.... That always makes my day.

Peter, i usre am gdla yoyu rea gtteing btter at undertsngin my tpyin.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: And Of Course

It's called The Grey Cup


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Sorry Joan, I Didn't Know You Were Around

Norbert, the Burt Monro story with his Indian is a great movie. Anthony Hopkins was wonderful in a quirky way as Munro.\ I gave, Bill, all day to make this connection but since the field is still open I'm going to put my head down and hit the opening and carry the ball on this one.

In 1909, Canadian Governor General, Sir Albert Henry George Grey, 4th "Earl Grey", donated a trophy to be given to the best amateur football club in Canada. It eventually became the trophy handed out to The CFL Champs, Levon's favorite football league back in the days of The Band.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The greyness / grayness of life

gray / grey. Many thanks to all. Where I tend to disagree with editors, is that I will choose the variant (spelling or grammar) with the widest international coverage. So that would be “grey” in that Americans accept it, but we don’t use “gray” in Britain. I’d never seen anything but “gray” in US textbooks. They tend to choose the “Clearly American”variant over the “most international.” Interesting that “Gray” is a reasonably common Scots and English surname and is usually “Gray” (but not for Lady Jane Grey).

Dictionaries? For thirty years I had to refer back to the Oxford Advanced Learners as the authority, whether I liked it or not. I have about a dozen dictionaries in common use at various levels. I tend to check Oxford, Longman, Cambridge and Macmillan (with an old Websters Third as backup). I’ll argue with definitions, but I reckon the Cambridge International has an edge over the others.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Gray vs. grey

Peter, as a book editor for 30 years, I say that "gray" is the standard American spelling (although according to Merriam-Webster "grey" is an equal variant), but "grey" is the predominant British spelling. Even though Ma Rhythm is the descendant of a Scotch Irish family named Gray.

Just out of curiosity, what dictionary do you prefer?


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Tonight BBC 1: The World's Fastest Indian

For all the can get BBC 1 this evening (late) the great movie': The World's Fastest Indian .... when my father used to study, some of the boys, sons of rich farmers, came to college on "big" Indians. Anyway he would have loved this movie. It’s a kind of Bandisch thing.

I'm looking forward to watch it with an Erdinger Weißbräu (beware: a piece of melon in the large glass first and carefully fill it).

from the YouTube site

"Today, Burt Munro (1899-1978), still has got the World speed record for a motorbike with an under-1000cc engine. He drove his modified 1920 Indian Scout up to 183.586 mph (295.453 km/h). The record was set at Bonneville on August 26th, 1967 during the Speedweek. At the time Burt Munro was 68, his bi'ke 47, makes him the oldest man ever to set a world record

cheers


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Travelling to the Rambles

I have the record, I'm sure :-) Four Rambles plus two Beacon shows since 2005, travelling from Norway. Then the trip down South with a certain UK madman to see Lee on his AR home turf, and also a Danko memorial gig in CT in 2000 and Ricky's funeral in '99... I'm sure I've forgotten a trip or two as well %-}


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Grey/gray

I think I tend to use Gray, but I'm not uncomfortable with Grey. If I was reading something with the Grey spelling, it wouldn't give me pause.

Steve, thanks to that story, I'm going to be singing "Oh the fox went out on a chase one night" all day in my head.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, Band link--RR's Day of Reckoning.

If it means anything, I drove 800 miles to see the OQ once. When I mentioned that to Levon, he laughed and said, "So did I!"


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: In answer to your question, not many to that extent - just one or two, I reckon.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Steve, thanks for the tips from the barnyard. I'll tell my neighbor to be on the look out for more than one trouble-maker...while he still has some chickens left.

Peter V. In my experience, grey and gray are used fairly interchangeably. But I'd say that grey is more common in my completely unscientific opinion, and that's the spelling that I lean towards.

Jeff, at one of the Rambles that I went to in Woodstock, there was someone who had traveled from Japan. At another recent one, there was someone from Germany, and I was sitting next to a fellow from Texas. Aside from the grind of travel, I think the main reason that Levon does so many Rambles in his own studio, is because that's where the sound is the best, and the players and audience are very close together which makes for more of a communal experience. That said, I think he also like the energy of a big room once in a while too, and he knows that not everyone across the country can make it to Woodstock. Also, playing in his own place gave him the freedom to structure the shows the way he wanted to without the constrictions that many clubs and theaters place on performers. It really was a win-win. especially for those of us lucky enough to live close.


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Posted by:

joe redd

why is it no one cares about the music anymore can someone please tell me that long live hunter s. thompson


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Posted by:

Peter V

I think that’s one of the most interesting things I’ve read here:

QUOTE:

The OQ when they ddi. hwne a any tinme you may go anywhere. Garth goes. People fly roudn the glov=be. don't doubt that mnay peoepl drive.

We should discuss this very cogent point. Is there a typo there though? Do you really mean "Mnay peoepl driveL"?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

For the Civil War buffs...........


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Posted by:

Deb

Bill M, here in the South we still reckon. As in "Reckon why some people just won't let a thing go?"


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, I was reading a Confederate account of the Battle of Atlanta last night and something must have sunk in subconsciously.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Rest in peace, Bob Bogle.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Mark Twain to Jed Clampett to Pat B

Peter V: See, there are no fast rules in English usage. First you find that Americans use "grey", then you find an American reckoning in the 21st century. Oo-wee - look at that boy cipher.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I'd reckon the Last Waltz movie is the single biggest thing that has kept the notion of the Band alive.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: a real dead skunk in the middle of the road

No word on the how high it's stinkin'.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: The Current Topic // Sebastian

Kinda funny how people fly from all over the world, drive from all over the U.S. and canada to see Levon play. especially when you consider that the majorioty of thos people never saw The OQ when they ddi tour worldwide. You might even consider that The OQ was not a hard touring band. Even funnier when you consider that most of the people who saw The Band in the 80s and 90s saw what Peter refers to as a "North- east Band after the 93-94 tour".

My point is, once you haveinfluenced the whoel god damn world, you are never again local. And especially hwne a any tinme you may go anywhere. Garth goes. Not as much as he used to, btu e goes. Levon is not a local musician, though he stays local most of the time.

Levon put a twist in it. People fly roudn the glov=be to see him play. I seem to recall Ede voci flying in from Chicago, anbd Dave Z drivig in from Minneapolis, more than once) to see Garth pl;ay in woodstock. One show I was t at The Playhouse, people had drivien from Canada. I don't doubt that mnay peoepl drive large distances to see Garth when he does get to their vicinity.

Bill Clinton, George Bush and Jimmy Carter are still addressed as Mr President.

I'm concerned how Pat would describe Robbie in regards to being a musician today . Now I have to admit , Robbie is a different case, cause for the last thirty three years he hardly ever performs live,for people, and when he does the last many years, it seems to be for a few songs, and as part of an arsenal of musicians. Maybe Pat would refer to him as a musician in waiting? I don't know about that. doesn't seem fair. I mean in one regard, he ain't even what Pat would consider a local musician, and in another, his work with The Band was amongst the most important and influential music ever made. He ain't dead, and he ain't lost the use of his hands, so former msucian don't seem right either. To me, Robbie, though not out and performing, and not hardly recording, and not doing session work, is still a international musical figure. Of some kind, Somehow, he is. Ain't that just amazing.

I guess it's a good god damn thing, for Robbie and all of us, that Levon and Garth are still out there giving The Band a living presence. Without that, and without The Band performing all those years, and the various individual performances, till Rick died, i don't care how hard Robbie tried, those reissues and repackagings just would not have had even the same amount of commercial appeal they did.

Sebastian, are you out there?

If you are, and you care to enter the discussion

Would you consider Garth a local musician?

Could you ask your pa if he considers Garth a local musician?


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Posted by:

joe redd

Location: maine

Subject: life music happiness

long live the band no music these days even comes close accept for warren haynes and gov't mule lifes just wippin on by so fast enjoy every second of every day rick danko you are truely missed long live HUNTER S.THOMPSON


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Touch of Grey Roots

Peter V: Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter has spent time in England over the years and I believe the beginnings of "Touch of Grey" might have its roots there. Earlier, he did write "Ripple", "To Lay Me Down" and "Broke Down Palace" in the course of one afternoon in London.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I won't name names, but there are a number of instruments whose sound improves dramatically with burial. It's best that they be left to rest in peace.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: ReJoyce

Brien: Levon's current touring schedule coincides with the release of his new album at the end of the month. One would hope that the Vanguard label is underwriting some of his expenses. As summer is just around the corner, the weather is also a factor, as a couple of recent dates where he opened for John Prine, Chastain and Red Rocks, were at outdoor venues. On a half-dozen upcoming concerts, he'll be opening for The Black Crowes, who also recorded their upcoming album at Levon's studio.

It's a special day in the world of literature -- The 105th anniversary of Bloomsday.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Local - Not Local Musicin and That God Damn Impossible Way Of Life

Taking to the road, the long slow tour, walk a mile ( or 4,000 miles) in his shoes, play that funky music, Otto, all could have been in the subject line. As usual the GB is oh so topical. 80 years ago today Otto Funk finished a coast to coast tour, sans bus, car or horse, playing in every town, actually he played every foot of the country he walked, in a NY to San Francisco, 183 day walking tour.

Taking it to the street, could have also been in the subject line I guess.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

T.L.: Click on the link to Joe Heuer's "Rock & Roll Guru" blog as he spent a good share of time in the "R & R Annex" visiting & taking in some seminars.


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Posted by:

Steve

Todd, I wouldn't be so sure about security, remember, the foxes aren't trying to get out, they're trying to get in. It might take someone with a different skill set than a prison guard's.

I once saw a pair of foxes shopping for chicken and the tactics they were using.

Our neighbor had lost several chickens so we were on the lookout for what was taking them.

One evening I was in our up stairs bathroom brushing my teeth and just by chance looked out the window that gave me a sort of overhead look at the barn yard where the chicken coop was. The chickens were not fenced in and could wander around. I looked just in time to see a fox slowly walking towards the chickens, herding them rather than chasing them. I was kinda frozen by the curious sight and didn't immediately yell out the window or head down stairs. Then I saw that the fox was actually moving the chickens in the direction of another fox that was waiting on the other side of the chicken coop in the trees where they'd probably both come from.

Once the fox had them heading in the right direction he sprinted towards them sending them right at his partner. They had two chickens in their shopping carts and were headed for the bush before I could get the window open to yell," THIEVES, STOP! BRING BACK THOSE CHICKENS, NOW!". The survivors lost their barnyard privileges and were put under coop arrest for their own safety and the security of our egg supply.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I get the sense that Levon "Plays out" because of marketing and bottom line. The cities he chooses may be based on where his cd sales were strongest and in turn works his presence their when the dollars for such a gig are desireable. Otherwise, why such short little bursts out? At his age and with the success of the Rambles, it just can't be "to do it", I think Levon's far too savvy now with how the money goes than to just "play out".


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Grey Gray - I've spelt it both ways for years - didn't know it was British - just thought it was one of those words that can work either way - though Gray is the way you see more often.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Supergroup / Touring / GRAY or GREY?

HHypothetical Supergroup: I don’t think any of the principles would choose to go out with Ginger Baker. One, he’s much too fussy in style, and two there seems long term bad blood and he’s hard to get on with allegedly. Such a project would have to be fun for all concerned. My worry was Paul who I don’t want to wear out … I was saving him up for bass and vocal on the hypothetical (alphabetically ordered) Helm-Hudson-Robertson reunion. We agreed by the tenth time we did that one that Bruce Hornsby got the piano stool.

Touring / Being local etc. When the 90s Band was still working, a constant dribble of complaint here was that they had become effectively a North-east band after the 1993-94 tour. Posters from The South, California, the Pacific North West (both sides), Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, let alone Europe and Australasia all complained that they had no chance of seeing them. That’s what happens unless you have the promoter and organization to do the national tour, and I guess when you’ve done it at the 1974 private jet level, the odd 15 or 18 hour bus trip gets unappealing.

A personal request on language. I spent twenty years applying spellcheckers to American editions of British books, changing the British GREY to GRAY. I just looked at my US import single by The Grateful Dead yesterday, and it is TOUCH OF GREY, inside, outside and on the thoughtfully supplied jukebox label card (something I’ve never seen with a single before). I don’t think you can get “more American” than the Grateful dead. So, do the Americans here notice the GREY spelling as unusual or “British”? If not, I’ve been wasting my time for years!


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Posted by:

Ari S.

I went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Annex a few weeks ago. There is very little on The Band but the exhibit is wonderful. Also, I went in only to see the Lennon exhibit, but got so caught up with the rest of the museum that I had to rush through the Lennon part. Nonetheless extremely fascinating.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: The Land of Local Eggs

Subject: Touring

Wow Steve, Those Woonsocket chickens sure get around! People might start talking.
Just so you don't think that the Massachusettes & Rhode Island chickens are getting all of the action, we have a neighbor here with chickens (and a rooster) who keeps us with a steady supply of both white and brown eggs (all local as far as I can tell). There's been a red fox hanging around lately though, so security may need to be beefed up. I'm not too worried. My neighbor used to be a prison guard at Rikers Island. I think he can handle a little trouble in the hen house without too much of a problem. ;-)

Pat, I wouldn't expect anyone to speak for you, and I take Jeff's opinion as Jeff's opinion. It's pretty clear that the two of you are not on the same page on this topic. But since the topic of touring came up, I was trying to see what your baseline for touring vs. gigging was. Since Levon and company just came through your town, I was wondering if you considered that touring or something else.

More importantly, if you went to the recent Levon show in Chicago (which I'm pretty sure would be an opportunity that you wouldn't have wanted to miss), did you enjoy it? It sounds like the folks here from Minnesota had a good time. Thanks Dave Z, Jerry, and Jimmy for the reviews from St. Paul. I'm curious to hear how Chicago was.

Bob W. That Clapton Winwood show sounds like it was fantastic. What a great setlist! I don't think there's been much doubt that Clapton can still play. I just think he's made some questionable material & production choices over the past decade in many cases. I did like his Robert Johnson sessions disc that came out a few years back. It sounds like he just needs the right people around him to get the fire lit.

Ginger Baker was mentioned here as a possible drummer for a possible Winwood, Clapton, McCartney project. I'd rather see someone else....maybe the guys from the Allman Bros. or Richie Hayward from Little Feat. Ginger was great in Cream, but when your have two very strong melody guys like Winwood and McCartney, you need a drummer who is not going to overpower the situation. I think one of the reasons that Blind Faith didn't last longer was because Ginger Baker was the drummer, and there was too much of the Cream dynamic there. I've read interviews with Clapton in which he says that he didn't really want Ginger for the Blind Faith project, but Ginger showed up and assumed that he was going to be the drummer and that Clapton didn't have the self confidence or fortitude at the time to tell Ginger otherwise. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Blind Faith had been able to do a couple more albums.


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Posted by:

T.L.

Subject: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame annex

Has anybody ever visited the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame annex in NYC? If so, would you happen to know how long it takes to look through the whole thing?

Thanks in advance.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, I wish I could play my acoustic kit where I live but they'd have me tarred and feathered in no time flat. I have grown to really enjoy my Yamaha electronic kit which allows me to play to an audience of one....me......and do it while playing along with my favorite bands. I can run my iPod through the brain of the kit and hear it and my playing in the headphones. It is a great way to practice.

I suspect there's going to be a lot more drummers in the next generation.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bob, take a shovel, go out in the yard( if you have one) dig a really deep hole and place as many cymbals in the hole as you can live without for the next 8 months and then cover them with earth and forget about them til about Christmas.

The theory that cymbals treated in that fashion emerge from the earth with improved sound was proven today.

Bob Zillgen, president of Sabian cymbals in Meductic New Brunswick had 100 cymbals buried 8 months ago. They dug them up with a backhoe this morning, cleaned them up and then tested them for improved sound over untreated cymbals. The company's sound engineer said the improvement was quite perceptible. The high register was much more dominant because the outer edges were more active than before they'd been buried.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Pat on Garth

Give Garth a great studio, his selection of musicians, an unlimited budget, and all the time in the world, and he'd be a very happy man.

Garth doesn't have to stay home to be with his wife.

Goodnight


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Posted by:

Pat B

btw, Todd, Jeff doesn't speak for me concerning Levon, thankfully.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Well, Jeff, maybe it would mean exactly what it says. That once the Band quit touring--as in hitting the road for extended periods of time--so did Garth. His forays with Burrito Deluxe were certainly not extensive, and most of the other gigs he did play were on the upper east coast. In fact, IIRC, he's been to Chicago once in the last decade.

If you have a hard time understanding what is meant by an internationally renowned studio musician, I can't help you.

I believe that Garth is, at his core, a genius musician. I believe what he loves the most is the pursuit of that muse, discovering and soaking up all kinds of different, disparate music and incorporating them all into his own inimitable style. And occasionally he comes out and shows everyone his genius. I'm sure he enjoys performing but he obviously has other eggs to fry.

And he loves his wife, which would make him a homebody for a lot of reasons.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Pat on Garth

Pat, once again, here is what you wrote: "After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio. "

That is where you left it and you continue to defend your statement without any alteration.

In my opinion that is a very inaccurate defintive characterization of Garth's career in that time frame.

I never wrote Garth is chomping at the bit to go out on the road. What I have written is that he does go out and perform and has done so over the length of his entire adult lifetime as a musician. He has spent a lifetime peforming for and pleasing audiences. And he has enjoyed entertaining people. That he is a enthralling and engaging entertianer. When the right opportunites are there, he goes. It is what he does.

To deny Garth has been performing for people all around the world throughout his lifetime is absurd. To characterize him as a local musician with a international reputation in the studio is absurd.

It's not even a comprehendable statement.

If you are trying to say he has a international repoutation as a studio musician, that is comprehendable. But what would that mean?. That he is a local musician who gets credit for doing a lot of local studio work? And because records get heard all over the world, people all ove the world know he is a in demand studio musician?

Todd, Pat may very well consider Levon a internationally known muscian who is now a local performer that is catching a break and getting out to see the world.

Someone who doesn't like to spend a lot of time away from home a long time is that man. Who blames him or anyone for not living on the road? But the fact is Garth has spent a lifetime performing for people. And not just locally.

That logic you used Pat, dsicussing Garth and the Lake, and not asking the local neighbors to help him pack up, then you described them as locals, so he is a local musician. well, if Obama talks face to face to residents of washington DC in Washington DC, is he a local politician talking to local people, or i s he still the president of the united states?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Grant Avenue Studio's the one in the mother's house and the Grange is the successor, I believe. Raffi too was born in Cairo.


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Posted by:

Steve

Would the Lanois studio have been called, Grant Avenue Studio, in Hamilton? That's the studio The Stan Rogers album , For The Family, Bob Lanois gets a thank-you on. Yes we had or probably still have several Raffi albums on tape from the late 80's early 90's.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I realise that I'm walking on eggshells here, but that sounds to me like divine intervention. Entire religions have been founded on less.

As for Bob Lanois, that's Daniel's brother and longtime studio-running partner - both the little one in their mother's house and the bigger one that the first evolved into. I believe that Bob still runs the latter.

Seems to me that your kids are of an age that that they will have grown up with Raffi records, most of which have both Lanois brothers and both Whiteley brothers all over them. Bruce Cockburn too.

Over the weekend I watched an NFB doc that a friend sent me, an early-'90s retrospective on the making of a much earlier ('67) NFB doc, "Christopher's Movie Matinee". The soundtrack to the original movie was songs by Cockburn and Bill Hawkins. And the retrospective had a short snippet of the original movie's theme song being sung by Amos Garrett in '67, standing beside Hawkins.

Back to the Whiteleys: not only were they both featured in the '67 movie, when they were teenagers, they were also there in the '90s remeniscing. And they, especially Ken, were a big part of another doc the friend sent me, the story of Hamilton musician Jackie Washington. There's a short clip of Daniel Lanois noting his appreciation too. (Jackie's 112 but didn't do his first album until the '70s, when he recorded it at the Lanois home.)


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, I was expecting you to question the possibility of the egg getting impregnated but then only getting laid a couple of days later. Is Rob Lanois a brother or cousin of Daniel Lanois?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: With a border-hopping attitude like that, in all likelihood your chicken's only now being offered the choice between Bermuda and Palau. Joe and David: Thanks for the Hendrix link. The short intro sounds Weight-ish, eh?


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Posted by:

David P.

It seems Joe & I posted at exactly the same time.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: Hendrix covers Tears of Rage

From the ExpectingRain website: A short clip of Jimi Hendrix covering "Tears of Rage" has been posted on YouTube. (Link above)


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Tears of Rage

Link is to a snippet of a Jimi Hendrix version.


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Posted by:

Steve

Todd, I think it's always about the chicken. Local chicken, local egg, but that's such a profound idea as are all questions concerning chickens I'd like to take more time to ponder this.

Questions such as, " if a Rhode Island Red chicken in Woonsocket RI. crosses the road and is now in South Attleboro Mass and while out of state lays an egg, should this be considered a local egg if found by someone from Woonsocket RI", must be examined.

More importantly, if the egg was fertilized by a Rhode Island Red Rooster before the chicken crossed the state line and someone incubates the egg and hatches it should the chicken be considered a Rhode Islander or a Massachicken.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Who is playing with who (whom?)

These discussions remind me of Fantasy Baseball. I guess we could call it "Fantasy Group"


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: What chicken?

Norm-

Avast. Why doesn't your chicken like to be open about her motives? What's she trying to hide?

Just shucking, Norm, don't let your Beckett Bend. Hope all is well over there in the Garden of Eden. Say hi to Susan for me.

I guess my break is over. Gotta mow the grass and get some fungicide on my roses because lately we've had too Gawd Danm much rain.



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Posted by:

David P.

The Tonight show gig is pretty much an ideal gig for a musician. The show is taped in the late afternoon, Monday through Friday. That leaves the evenings open for nearby club gigs and touring on the weekends. Conan O'Brien taped his last Late Night show on Feb. 20, leaving a nice hiatus for Jimmy Vivino and the rest of the band time to relocate out West before the first Tonight Show taping on June 1st. If you check the calender, you'll see that all the upcoming Fab Faux gigs are scheduled for Saturday nights.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Interrogation

This reminds me of a very "profound" statement I saw some where, (I think on the internet) the other day.

I want to go back to a time when a chicken could cross the road, without having his motives questioned!!


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Getting Around The Neighborhood & Where Do Eggs Come From

I may have missed some of the points, but have we decided yet whether Jimmy V. is East Coast or West Coast? I saw him on TV recently performing on The Tonight Show. He's also been spotted at a recent Midnight Ramble with Levon in Woodstock, New York. I think he's also doing some touring with the Fab Faux in places like New York, New Jersey, Boston, and Florida. He sure seems to get around!

I'm not sure what difference it makes, but generally local musicians/local bands/local groups seem to be the ones who never make it out of their city/town/region and who get to sleep in their own bed every night.

It seems that all of the guys in The Band made it out of their neighborhoods/hometowns/Countries etc. In the later years, more of the "touring" aka loading gear/driving/sleeping away from home may have been more of a regionally based affair rather than a Worldwide production, but the important thing is that people in different places are getting to hear the music live in some capacity.

I think it's pointless to get into an argument over semantics, but I'm curious if Pat would classify Levon's recent activity (gigs in Atlanta, Chicago, Minnesota, Colorado, and other places) as touring. It's not with the same frequency as what folks like Willie Nelson, Bob Dylan, and other road dogs are doing, but it's something.

By the way, I don't think that Garth would consider a gig at the Joyous Lake as touring, but traveling to Canada and other places could probably qualify.

This whole discussion reminds me of an ad campaign that ran here in New England, and possibly several other places in the Country some years ago. We have white eggs and brown eggs. The ads claimed that brown eggs were "local" eggs. That always puzzled me. I figured that the white eggs had to be local to somewhere. Aren't all eggs local eggs to some degree?

Maybe Pat and Jeff can find some common ground and agree that Garth is local and his location is wherever he happens to be on planet earth at any given time. Garth Hudson....the world's local musician. And Jimmy V. does seem to get around, even though he has a regular gig on the Tonight Show.
Ding!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, is that the old "I know I am but what are you?" arguement?

Jan has posted a couple of my articles, so I'd be happy to update Garth's bio. I could include the fascinating conversations I've had with him about music, synths, practice routines, life, etc. Maybe I could include some of the musical explications I posted here on some of his solos. I could also include some of the horn charts he worked out. And his secret for all would-be keyboardists? The Bach chorales. I'd probably include his distaste for touring since it interrupts his practice and messes up his technique. It'd probably be fun to compare the different Genetic Method's that I've collected--maybe 20 or so--but that would take up a lot of space since each is so unique. And I'd have to include the great story when he was loading his equipment into a local gig, maybe Joyous Lake, and someone wondered why he didn't ask for help. He said the people around him were his neighbors, the locals, and he had to look them in the eye the next day. No big star was he, just one of the locals who happened to have an international reputation as the greatest rock keyboardist in history. At least according to me.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Davids P and Sadavid: We're well into Monday morning and are still awaiting assurance that you survived weekend bouts of summer-place earworm.

Pat B: You have obviously won the debate, but could have knocked the ball out of the park on day one simply by pointing out that anyone whose idea of a good time is fixin' the screen door is not a touring musician by inclination.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Brothers and Drummers

Keyboardist Chuck Leavell, who joined the Allman Brothers Band after Duane's death, was another key ingredient in the recording of "Brothers and Sisters". That album was recorded just before the ABB tour that included their appearance at Watkins Glen with The Band and their friends the Grateful Dead. The ABB single from "Brothers and Sisters", "Ramblin Man" which featured Les Dudek, was the group's only hit single.

Around that time, Chuck Leavell and ABB drummer Jaimoe formed the off-shoot band Sea Level, which later featured Georgian Randall Bramblett. After Jaimoe's departure, drummer Joe English, who played with Paul McCartney's Wings from 1974-1977, joined Sea Level. Unfortunately, this talented group of musicians failed to achieve great popular success, partially due to the collapse of Capricorn Records at the time. A brief stint with Arista followed, but they couldn't regain momentum.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Pat B on Garth and Vivino

Hey Pat, you are rather funny. HA HA.

Your insistence on defining Garth as a local musician with an international reputation, , well, maybe you should ask Garth if you could write his bio for his website, or be his publicist. It is al.so possibe Jan would like to incorporate your statement into Gath's page on this website.

I based my opinions, made my conclusions and statements based upon the conversations I've had with Garth and Maud and the relatively very little I've seen. Your positions, arguments, and fact finding technique define fantasizing.



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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Rich P: Great minds think alike

But I probably should have read your post - though, of Course, Clapton was Blind Faith, so it would really be Macca joining parts of Blind Faith... still not a hateful concept...


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, it's better than fantasizing.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Ginger Baker?

With Winwood and Macca - throw Clapton on Guitar...


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Posted by:

bob w.

I have always loved Ringo's drumming but since Abe Laboriel, Jr. has toured with McCartney and now with Winwood I would have him fill the best seat in the house should the fates ever bring something like that together. The guy is a monster drummer with the ability to really bring it or lay in some beautifully subtle percussion.

A McCartney/Winwood bill would open up a world of guest performance possibilities.

That would be somethin', really would be somethin'......


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Posted by:

Rich P

Subject: A Drummer

Peter V.: I figure Winwood and McCartney could play it too safe without a more serious/less pop element. How about Nick Mason? He's got experience playing jazz and prog as well as pop and he's also produced sessions in a number of different genres (Robert Wyatt, Carla Bley, etc).

Michael Shrieve? Some genuine African percussion? How about just add McCartney to the Traffic line-up?

Rebop Kwaku Baah would have been the man for the job...


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Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Another one bites the dust.

Caught my first Band concert here and 2-3 others in the next two years. Band concert mentioned in the article, and also in comments section.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Careful Friend0, Pat might just be running another experiment.

Bill, Rob Lanois, is the only Lanois I could find on A Stan Rogers album. He got a "Thanks" on ,For The Family, Stan's album of covers of traditional songs and songs written by members of his family.

Jeff, I consider myself a musician with a very, very, very,local reputation since I only play at home. Though I do occasionally throw the guitar in the car when we go to our friends, Grant and Vicky's place for dinner. I consider that touring and it's a damn near impossible way of life, in summer I always come home with some black fly bites and in winter there's always wind and drifting snow up on the mountain where they live. God damn impossible!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: All you need is a drummer …

Paul can get away with drums certainly, but I thought it was John who originated the line “Ringo’s not even the best drummer in The Beatles” and Ringo cheerfully picked it up and recycled it. Ringo is a great drummer. He has a sense of timing you can’t buy. Levon and Ringo both say “I’ve never done drum solos.”

In fact, it’s hard to know how good Ringo would be nowadays, as drumming requires keeping in practice, being the most physically demanding instrument. For a non-drummer, try this; just sit behind a bass drum, and get your right ankle to play the bass drum for a four minute song. Feel your ankle? Then keep it going for two hours. Then add in the other limbs one by one. That’s why musicians who can play drums well, but don’t play regularly, never sound quite the same as a regular full-time drummer. They just don’t hit them with the same strength and consistency. It’s not even about hitting hard, it’s just having the muscular precision after two hours. Age doesn’t seem to dull the facility, as one of the best (and hardest hitting) drummers I’ve seen was D.J. Fontana, then elderly. I watched him in a small club with Scotty Moore, backed by an Elvis impersonator band and thought they must have been totally amazing in their prime.

In the end, no name would grace the posters with Paul and Steve to the same degree as Ringo’s. In that situation I’d choose him over my other two favourites, Levon and Steve Gadd.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Pat you write: "Again, go to Garth's website and figure out for yourself how much he's been away from home in the last year."

You have got to be kidding. You want to decide where someone been by the gaps in his website performance calendar, have at it.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, there's no need to repeat myself. All your questions were answered already. But to call doing sessions "touring" is pretty inaccurate. You get to fly somewhere, stay in a nice hotel, do your thing over a couple of days, get some good meals, then fly home. Counter that with getting on a bus, living in a bunk, soundchecking, sitting on hundreds of chairs, waiting around to do a ninety minute show, waiting for the crew to breakdown, sleep poorly, then as Jackson Browne sang, get up and do it again, let's say for three months. I'll let everyone here who have never gotten to enjoy that grind decide for themselves.

Again, go to Garth's website and figure out for yourself how much he's been away from home in the last year. Then go read where in 1974 he's intimating getting off the road, how in 1985 he talked about how touring destroys his technique. I'll take Garth's opinion on the matter.


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Posted by:

Erlinda

Location: L.A.
Web: My link

Subject: remembering

In 1975 I was in Sybil Brand Jail in L.A. 5:30a.m. the radio goes on there is Minnie Riperton Loving You in spite of my circumstances I felt free hearing Minnie. Today life chged serving the Almighty Minnie is singing a even higher song I am sure. God Bless Erlinda


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Paul on Drums

Actually, Peter, someone once asked Ringo,"is it true you're the best drummer in the world?" Ringo used his perfect self-mocking humor to reply, "I'm not even the best drummer in THE BEATLES," referring to Sir Paul's abilities behind the kit. Paul guested on a Steve Miller Band song on drums and has played percussion on any number of his own records.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Pat B. on Garth and Jimmy Vivino

No need for me to specify what I meant. JQ, and even Pat are doing a good job with possible interpretations. Although " a put down" is a poor way to portray someone's difference of opinion. Though Pat did do a little more inventive spin on presenting what i said in a definite light this time. A little back spin on the dreidl. Smug, but artful, almost nebulous even, in a slightly odd way.

No, I don't consider Jimmy vivino a local performer. Jimmy has always been spread all over this country and other continents. Maybe he doesn't often leave home for 4 to 6 months at a time,and maybe you didn't knwo about it Pat, but that doesnt tmean he didn't travel to the UK, Italy, Sitzerland,and a whole bunch of other places . It also sorta ignroes the fac that he scored a Sister Act film in LA, and unlkess i recall incorrectly, lived in Orleans a while, played in Dr john's band. Way back.

But vivino toured europe more than once with Johnnie Johnson and others, hits Europe and all around this country now with The Fab Faux, has played all over the gawd damn country with ocuntless blues acts at countless clubs and festivals. Hubert, Son Seals, Johnnie. Also with Al Kooper's band. That is forgetting a lot of acts. getting on a plane abnd heading to Washinton, Portland, Jackson Mississippi, was like brushing his teeth.

Far as Garth goes, the last 2 years he and Maud may have spent as much, or close to as much time, living away from home, as home.

And Also as far as considering Garth a local performer goes, how many shows a way from home does someone have to do yearly before you consider them a non local performer Pat?

I would also consider recording sessions performances. After all, a recording permanently fixes a performance, no? You are a studio owner , producer, I;d imagine you'd agree with that point. As a matter of fact, if you ain't sleeping in your own bed, it's the road.So, if Garth does a session in Tuscon, like The Neko Case session, or the sessions in Canada with Lanois, the performances wirth Cowboy Junkies, Burritos in Nashville, several sessions, and mixing sessions, and Lanois in canada, flying to england to do shows, I gues you'd have to call those non local performances. What is your cut off Pat? if Garth does a show in Philly and sleeps in a motel, even that's the road. Load enough instriments and equipment for a whole band into your truck, unload at the show,even i fit is only three hours or so away, reload after the show, unload at the hotel ,load it onto a cart and uo in the elevator, unload it into the hotel romm so you can go to a diner to eat at 3 AM, and not worry about your truck getting busted in to and your gear and instruments stolen, then sleep, wake up, load again, drive home, and unload, to me that's the road. Not too impossibe for garth though.

Reputation, well hell, you don't have to leave your own home to have a international reputation, specially with computers and all.


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Posted by:

Rich P

Pretty sure I recall McCartney saying the reason for the "hope you will enjoy the show" theme in Sgt Pepper was their idea to send the album off on tour while the Beatles stayed home.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Bruuuuuce brings it to Bonnaroo.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Peter, the talk is of Dylan and McCartney getting together to write with eyes toward an album.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: McCartney-Starr-Winwood (alphabetically)

Steve Winwood and Paul McCartney. Now there’s a thought. Given those two multi-instrumentalists, in the words of Sly Stone, “all you need is a drummer”. Ringo’s available. I hope he’d tone down Steve’s over-use of percussionists which dominated the last album with a samey percussion track running on everything.


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Posted by:

Pat B

JQ, perhaps you're correct as I can't imagine anyone taking anything I've said about Garth--one of my true musical heroes--as a putdown.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: act locally, be famuos globally

Pat - I'm thinking Jeff meant that as an actual compliment to you, not sure though.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Local performer is hardly a putdown, Jeff, unless you have decided that it is. Wouldn't you consider Jimmy Vivino a local performer (LA based now) who has an international reputation? Plenty of great blues players remain local performers in Chicago, St. Louis, Kansas City yet are known all over the world but they don't tour. I can name tons of people here in Chicago who used to tour but now only play around town and occasionally out of town, and they are incredible musicians well known all over the world.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Garth Hudson, according to Pat B.

Pat, I'm sure Garth will find it considerate that you've defined him as a local performer who retained his international reputation.


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Posted by:

Pat B

JQ, as I recall, the Band was booked into Levon's NO club a lot. A number of reviews were good especially from GBer's who were there. But something happened after the first couple of dates (was Rick double booked and stayed on the East Coast to perform?) and a final, rather broken down performance proved to the be real Last Waltz. There was a lot of discussion about this back in the good old days and it may be in Jan's archives somewhere.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: blow up in New Orleans

Pat B - Does that refer to an awful performance at Levon's club opening or something more explosive?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Wasn't there a tour with Marianne Faithful? I know he's on the live recording, and I'd assumed a tour of some kind was involved. Or was it a one-off behind the lady who chose Gene Pitney, but not Bob Dylan.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Les Dudek played on two songs with the Allmans--both high profile--but he never toured with them.

Even a cursory look at Garth's website reveals that he and Maud never tour and only occasionally play one-niters and special events. To the best of my knowledge, Garth's last tours were with Burrito Deluxe some five years ago. He also played selected dates with the Dixie Hummingbirds around that time.

It also seems when Garth is hired for sessionwork, he gets out and plays with whomever is in that town who shares his music sensibilities.

After the maniacal schedule of the Hawks and the Dylan whirlwind, The Band simply didn't tour much. Post LW, Garth did some west coast gigs with The Call in the late 70's. He might have done some touring with Don McLean in the late 70's. Of course he went out on short to medium tours with the Band from 83 on but those wound down until Jericho was released. I have no idea how extensive the Jericho tours were but without label support and the small size of the venues they played, I can guess. After the blowup in New Orleans, Garth became an upper east coast local performer while retaining his international reputation in the studio.

Flying to Norway to do a Q&A and a few concerts is not touring. Get on the bus and leave home for three months, take a week off then leave for another three months. That's touring. Garth hasn't done that much since the mid-90's, if he did it at all.

BTW, I knew Garth loved performing the first time I saw the Band in 1969. He seemed to be of another consciousness, creating music and sound I had never heard. But a lifetime of touring? Try Dylan. Springsteen. Petty. Try Warren Haynes or Derek Trucks.

Ding.


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Posted by:

Rich P

Subject: Clapton/Allmans

Thanks Friend0,

I’m an Allman Brothers nut and I had no idea that Les Dudek was on ‘Brothers and Sisters’. Just figured Dicky had overdubbed himself a bunch of times. Am I correct in assuming Dicky was the only guitarist on stage during the ‘Brothers and Sisters’ tour (aside from Gregg on a few songs)?

Linking the Allmans with Eric Clapton…Clapton recently sat in with the Allmans during their run of shows at the Beacon theatre. (Suggest folks check out the show from March 20th of this year which is floating around the internet) Eric joins Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes (both players of Clapton’s caliber) for a few songs that originally featured brother Duane:

Key to the Highway,

Stormy Monday

Dreams

Why Does Love Got to Be so Sad

Little Wing

In Memory of Elizabeth Reed

Layla

By the time the set finishes with a smokin’ electric version of Layla, the roof is properly off the place.

Bob W. : Don’t know who’s been saying Clapton has been off his game, but on the evidence I’ve heard, I’d say he’s playing (and singing) better than ever. That show with Winwood must have been amazing.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Yo Landy, you're velcome.

Dudek is / was a great talent. Like many, i was/ am one of those who scours who played what on which song on most every album I enjoy. And once upon a time, I remembered 99.89% of everything I read. (Fortunately, I still rememebr a lot of what i read in the once upon a time times, whilst it is very less likely that i recall things I read now or read the last some years).

Of ocurse, Dudek was a lead and rythym gutiarist with the Allman's following Duane's death.Brother's & SiSter's. His performance garnered him plenty of attention, and well deserved. When he came out with City Magic it got plenty of airplAy here in NYC, on WNEW, WLIR, maybe even the more commercial WPLJ. Somwewhere i ahve his first few solo records, and of course, the Dudek/Finnegan/krieger reocrd. I was dissappointed when that band appeared, cause i looked upon We Just Disagree as a lightweight song, and thought Dudek was too strong a musciian to be hanging with Kreiger. I did catch a few Dudek shows, and a DFK show. All strong.

I also have a good friend who sang backup with Boz Scaggs during the same time Dudek was in his band. Very talented chick.

Lando, I don't know how much of a trip it is for you to Syracuse, or rochcester, but he is playing the Dinosaur in both towns.

All the chores finally done, time to go to sleep.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Thank you Jeff for linking the Les Dudek website. I had his first solo album which has to be one of the great albums that very few have ever heard. "City Magic" got a lot of play here but the rest of the album especially "What A Sacrifice" which Steve Miller covered was a gem. Also liked the mention of Mountain whom I saw at New Years Eve show here headlining over Sha Na na, Rita Coolidge, and the J. Geils Band who absolutely stole the show.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Henry Townsend 1976

Get a load of the look of that piani!

RTO, see that sucker?

First time i saw Henry play was 97 or 98. I was fortunate to get to see plaenty of him over a ten year period.He died not lon gback, up in Wisconsin. Went up to a gig/ honor /award ceremony in his honor. Against his dr.s orders. Went in the hospital, died up there. His youngest son, who was barely twenty, was there with him. Henry was 96 or 97. Maybe 98. One time , at a geoff Muldaur show, I made the mistake of asking Henry if the kid ( still very young at the time) was his grandson. Henry set me straight right quick. so I asked if he had any younger children. Henry smiled and said he needs to find a younger girlfriend.

St Louis didnlt forget it's old musicians. The old men and women always had peoplr to drive them, take them , do for them. Getting anywhere, for any reason (haircuts for example, ), they weren't left to their own devices. People stayed in ccnstant touch with em, these guys were loved and were people's friends and family. Henry attended every show that was of importance or related, the geoff muldaur show just being an example. A guitarist named leroy Pierson took Henry and his son to the geoff musldaur show.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: laptop kitchen table
Web: My link

Subject: Jim Morrison is Alive

Link: the proof.

We're off to xxLutz (Nordhorn)


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Also on the road ( goddam) ( impossible way of life) is Les Dudek.

Cool sounds when you hit the links on his website. His my space page has dates too, not sure if one has more than the other, but he is all over the place, even Caintucky Stabby.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Having now done the requisite googling, looks like The Zombies and Mountain will be the two pick acts of those shows. I've missed a few chances to see The Zombies. Mountan I've seen plenty of. With Pappalardi first time was Brooklyn College. If i recall correctly Return to Forever opened. I was a few rows form the stage, Mountain was great. And loud. Brooklyn College had really excellent sound. I don't ever remember being unhappy with the sound there. And yes, at 13 and 14, I was as or more critical of sound as I am now.

Last time I saw Mountain was in a short lived, resucitated and reincarnated My Father's Place. Located in a basement club in Queens. Noel Redding was the bassist. Great show. I guess it was the early 90s, maybe even the 80s.


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Posted by:

Friend0

JUst noticed in The Village Voice, one show with Spencer Davis Group, The Yardbirds and The Zombies (wonder who is in the bands), in Manhattan, another in Brighton Beach, 5 to 10 miutes from home, with Mountain ( leslie, corky) and Creedence clearwater revisited (yikes).

I did catch one Spencer davis Group show at the original Lone Star. Dont rememebr what I thought of it, but suffice to say probably not blown away or i'd recall.


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Posted by:

Peter V

In either the TV documentary or the coffee table Island history "Keep on Running" Blackwell described the then 14 year old Stevie Winwood as "Ray Charles on helium." Winwood's move into Traffic was the main impetus for Blackwell's switch of direction for Island from a ska / R&B / soul label to the leading late 60s prog rock label. As I said last week, it's extraordinary that the front cover on the Island coffee table book shows Bob Marley, Amy Winehouse, Grace Jones and U2. The back shows Brian Ferry, Tom Waits (hardly a major seller), Nick Drake and Cat Stevens. As Winwood's version of Keep on Running gives the book its title and Traffic was the reason the label entered its "pink label" years, the first two candidates for the cover in my mind would have been Bob Marley and Steve Winwood.

The Band has one Island label single in the UK!


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The woods

Subject: The dawgone road

Rando hates buses. I think he'd prefer breaking rocks in the hot sun to being stuck on a bus on tour. Once, he was at my house doing the backup on "Atlantic City" and I didn't hear what he sang at the time, but we were recording. When I listened to him on the recording I had to laugh because he'd left out "Coast City bus" and simply went with "freakin' bus."

I think to enjoy a trip with The Band on the road, it helped if you were a smoker. Randy and Weege didn't like the smoke much. After a few minutes up front on the bus, on the other side of the curtain, they'd catch a breather until Levon's head appeared between the curtains and he'd invite them to return to "join the party."


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Garth and touring

I'm not sure that many people like touring: it's a novelty for the first few years, then, it becomes a grind...


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Posted by:

bob w.

Thank you, Peter. No doubt there is a strong element of the shared affection for Ray Charles' vocal style among all of the singers discussed. I was taken at a few points in the song with just how similar the timbre of Winwood's voice is to Richard's. Not in an overall sense but there were points where the similarity was striking.

I have always put McCartney at the top of my list of the greatest musical talents to come out of the "golden age" of Rock and Roll. Steve Winwood is standing right there with him. There are many, many very talented musicians in this world but there are very few that possess the sort of talents Steve Winwood brings to the stage. He has the unique vocal ability to enter the song already soaring. Brilliant in every sense.

Just an aside...it was entertaining to look up at the crystal clear video screens which were featuring closeups of all of the musicians and really zooming in on their hands as they played. Clapton still has incredible dexterity and still deserves the "Slowhand" moniker. We smiled when we could clearly see the inlaid Eric Clapton signature on his Martin guitar (Winwood also played it) and it is of note that the guitar he was playing was "born" just an hour or so away in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.


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Posted by:

Steve

I, never take your posts as terse or negative. Have a nice evening, I'm off to barbecue some chicken, actually a lot of chicken, there'll be about 10 eating. We've got friends coming over and we've kinda adopted a 16 friend of our son Steve. Full house.


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Posted by:

Deb

And I shouldn't have been terse in the last post. Unfortunately, I've only seen the post TLW line-up of The Band. All of the members of the Band are or were fine solo, but yes, the whole was greater than the sum of its parts.


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Posted by:

Deb

No, Steve, I didn't mean you. Think about it.


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Posted by:

Steve

Both Winwood and Clapton were as good as I remember hearing them from earlier days. I'm always impressed that Winwood can still hit the notes he does vocally. It's an interesting voice.

Hi Deb, have you ever seen a Band performance where the show was J2Rs' alone when he was performing with Rick, Richard,Levon and Garth? Implying that it could have been if he wanted it to be was about as silly a comment as you could make about that group. I went back and read my post and see nothing wrong or bashing in it, just an accurate description of the situation at the time.


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Posted by:

peter V

Subject: Georgia On My Mind

I’m glad you enjoyed the show, Bob. Sounds great. As to hearing Richard on “Georgia” I suspect it’s a Band fan affliction (which I share). Chris Blackwell of Island has been interviewed frequently this year, and has described seeing Steve / Stevie doing Georgia with the Rhythm & Blues Quartet in Birmingham in 1964. The Spencer Davis Group recorded it in 1966, which is as good a version as you’ll hear. There’s no way he could have known of Richard Manuel’s versions of the song live back then (but not yet recorded officially).

I imagine that when we hear Richard in Steve Winwood or Van Morrison’s take on Georgia, we’re actually hearing a three-way common interest in Ray Charles. I’ve said the same in a Van Morrison review (that he seemed to be channeling Richard in Georgia) and I’d believe Richard was on his mind as he knew him well. However, Van was doing the Ray Charles songbook as was Steve Winwood years before. As was Zoot Money too.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Interesting. "In 1965 he was playing guitar better than Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton. The world didn't get him at his best when he was playing blues. He's a real work horse. He's writing constantly and I wouldn't be surprised if he stopped travelling with The Band because he doesn't like to go on gigs. Garth and Rob are both quiet and might stop touring, but I don't think they'd ever leave The Band permanently - they'd be crazy."

Funny that Ronnie says that in 1974.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, I believe they used another drummer on the first go round, and possibly horns(?). Very much the same show. Incredible.


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Posted by:

Deb

Steve, would that be the same jh person who prohibited the trashing of "any of our heroes" just a few weeks ago?

Sorry Pat, I know I missed the cutoff. Hope this doesn't skew the data too much. :o)


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Posted by:

Steve

Bob, was this concert the same, Winwood/Clapton tour that passed through Madison Sq Gardens and was shown on PBS last night? Or was the Madison Sq Gardens show from a couple of years ago?


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Posted by:

Pat B

This part of the Pavolvian experiment is over. We'll have the data posted in a day or two. Thanks to all who participated.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

I hurt myself today To see if I still feel

I focus on my pain

The only thing that's real The needle tears a hole

The old familiar sting

Try to kill it all away

But I remember everything

What have I become?

My sweetest friend

Everyone I know

Goes away in the end

You could have it all

My empire of dirt

I will let you down

I will make you hurt

I wear this crown of shit

Upon my liar's chair

Full of broken thoughts

I cannot repair

Beneath the stains of time

The feelings disappear

You are someone else

I am still right here

What have I become?

My sweetest friend

Everyone I know

Goes away in the end

And you could have it all

My empire of dirt

I will let you down

I will make you hurt

If I could start again

A million miles away

I would keep myself

I would find a way

I'm off to our annual German street party!


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Clapton / Winwood

01. Had To Cry Today

02. Low Down

03. After Midnight

04. Sleeping In The Ground

05. Presence Of The Lord

06. Glad

07. Well Alright

08. Tough Luck Blues

09. Tell The Truth

10. Pearly Queen

11. No Face, No Name, No Number

12. Forever Man

13. Georgia On My Mind - Steve Winwood solo

14. Driftin' - acoustic

15. Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out

16. Layla - acoustic version

17. Can't Find My Way Home

18. Split Decision

19. Little Wing

20. Voodoo Chile

21. Cocaine

Encore:

22. Dear Mr. Fantasy

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton - guitar, vocals

Steve Winwood - vocals, Hammond B3, guitar

Chris Stainton - keyboards

Willie Weeks - bass

Abe Laboriel, Jr. - drums

Michelle John - backing vocals

Sharon White - backing vocals

Last night's show at the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia was an amazing display of musicianship. There has been a lot of negative comments (here and elsewhere)concerning Clapton's recent guitar work. The issue can be put to rest. He absolutely tore the place up. Steve Winwood is a musical genius. His vocals were incredible, his guitar playing was fantastic and his keyboard talents are beyond description. His solo rendition of "Georgia" was chilling and I know I heard Richard in there at several points. Abe Laboriel, Jr. is the best drummer I've seen live since the last time I saw him drumming with Paul McCartney. Chris Stainton was fabulous. Willie Weeks is rock solid on bass and the backup vocals were great.

What a show.


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Posted by:

Rich P

Subject: Sonny James

David P mentioned Sonny James. I have always been fond of the Guess Who’s version of ‘Running Bear’ (a rockin’ song with a great chorus) but could never quite follow the story the song tells. I have only recently had the opportunity to hear Sonny James’ version and was pleased to notice an additional verse joining the beginning and end of the song that Burton remembered… Finally the story makes sense. A native-American ‘Romeo and Juliet’ in 2 minutes/39 seconds!


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Posted by:

Steve

Just read the second article and have to agree with the editorial comment by that jh person. It's quite hard for a guy who isn't a front man and only gets his mike turned on between songs to dominate a concert, especially on a stage with those forces at work all around him, but he is a force in places during some songs. He does his part.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Easy Pat, Down Boy!

Pat, Pat, Pat, don't you think it's a little reckless to attribute too much credibility to this article. The confused Corinne seems to be a poor source to be hanging your hat on. When someone claims they saw "J2RS singing his song, I Shall Be Released", the proceed with caution signs start flashing.

Do you think she really knew who was who on the stage. Probably she recognized Dylan but after that she may have just had a list of names she was trying to attach to faces. She probably saw Richard singing, ISBR, and thought that must be that Robertson guy whose name is front and center in any interviews with the group. He's the Band's singer. That must be Robertson. It would be an easy mistake to make for the uninitiated.

I wonder who it was that told her the story about the chairs,I do hope it was Garth. I love the image of Garth playing a marathon length, one man game of musical chairs.

If it really was Garth who was dissing touring, let me paraphrase another song Corinne would probably attribute to J2Rs, something that might explain Garth's touring history as explained by Jeff. "Garth was so much older then, he's younger than that now."


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Posted by:

Tracy

Best line to come out of Garth's mouth: "I'm a Leo but I'm not that aggressive." Hahahaha!! Why do us Leos have to apologize and hold up our astrology sign all the time? Are we THAT obvious? Well, just like an acquaintance of mine said, "Leos rule!"


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Posted by:

Friend0

Aversion doesn't seem to be the applicable descriptive word, Pat.

BTW, Garth been performing live around the planet without too much of a very long break for a lifetime. Seems to thrive on pleasing and entertaining an audience. Logistics and traveling, well, you can't tour without payng the price. Garth's been paying it, and enjoying performing for live human beings that respond. For a man who has been incorrectly presented and perceived as quiet,when he does his own shows, he is one of the most unique and actively engaging performers around. Go catch him and Maud somrtime, or even them with a small band. You'll be in for surprise.



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Posted by:

Pat B

Two very interesting articles in the What's New section. Seems Garth shared Rob's aversion for life on the road.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: A Summer Place

Oh the memories of camp, close dancing, and "make out: music.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: spelling, n\n issues

Sorry about that, gb is not letting me get back from preview without losing everything....


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Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: Levon at the Fitz

Jimmy and Zzz, My apoligies for not getting in here in time to get something going on Wednesday night. It's been a nuts week for me at work and it's just now stating to slow down.n

What a great show Levon put on. This was the first time I've ever seen any member of The Band, and two days latter I'm still smiling. It was apparent Levon wasn't feeling the best and yet he put on a two and a hlf hour show that was as good as it gets. Course he kicked cancers ass so I suppose the common cold aint slowing this guy down. I was sitting in the first balconey third row with a perfect view of Levon behind the drum kit. I remember just sitting there for the first few songs and taking it all in and thinking am I really watching the coolest drumer ever in person. Once I got used to the idea and wiped my chin off I was good to go.n

Many highlights throuhout the night and Jimmy and Dave z touched a number of them. For me seeing Levon sing and play the "Weight" was really big. As Zzz pointed out a very muscular version of "Chest Fever" with a Larry Cambell intro also being very good. Watching Levon play and turning to the crowd with a playfull smile on his face when it was apparent that it was going to be "The Shape" was also pretty cool. To much to mention with "Anna Lee" from Dirt being a highlight as well. Larry Campbell's fiddle through out the show was very good.n

I've heard Levon's down home charm mentioned here many times and I'm thankfull that I got to see what you all have been saying all these years. My hats off to the lady that yelled between songs "Levon, would you sign my ticket" Levon responded by telling her "Darling, I'd do anything for you" before they could get into the next song this chick is at the stage with ticket and pen in hand. Levon got up mandolin in arm and signed the gal's ticket. Very cool guy to say the least.n

One thing that is very apparent is that Levon loves what he's doing and who he's doing it with. The man has a smile on his face from start to finish. This Wheel is Still on Fire, no shit...


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Posted by:

David P.

sadavid: I was also exposed to Percy Faith at a young age. He scored another big hit on Columbia earlier in the '50s with another song from a movie soundtrack, "The Song From Moulin Rouge (Where Is Your Heart)", which featured a female vocalist. Like "Theme From A Summer Place", it spent many weeks at the top of the charts. Those of us of a certain age recall that songs like these became favorites of our parents, which they played on those big old hi-fi consoles.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Real "Lucy in the Sky w/ Diamonds" fallen ill.


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Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Did you notice that Louuu's Elvis's guest tonight? (Up against the hockey final, brothers and sisters!)


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: (not) a little Faith

Thanks, boys, now I got an instrumental earworm for probably the rest of the weekend. I really like Percy's tune, but then I had no chance - having been subjected to relentless exposure at a defencelessly tender age. More trivia from imdb.com (I'm DYING to hear the '76 remix!):

"Max Steiner's main theme for this film is probably his best-known after his "Tara Theme" for "Gone With the Wind." As with "Tara's Theme," it has remained a favorite ever since, with several charting recordings. Percy Faith's version (American Columbia: 1960) went to Number 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart in 1960, remaining in that position for 9 weeks, becoming both the Number One Instrumental Hit of the Rock Era and the first instrumental to win the Grammy for Record of the Year. Other charting versions were by Billy Vaughn (Dot: 1960, peaking at #2), the Lettermen (Capitol: 1965, using Mack Discant's lyrics and peaking at #16), and the Ventures (Liberty: 1969, at #83). Faith himself re-recorded it, shortly before his death in 1976, in a disco arrangement entitled "Summer Place '76.""


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Precisely. "No wind (no wind), no rain (no rain) could keep me from loving you, babe" could not possibly have been written by a Canuck, unless of course the object of desire was already in the house. It does, however, seem to have been written by a Motown letter carrier, perhaps the same one who penned "Please Mr Postman"?


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Posted by:

David P.

Bill M: Oh the cruel rain and the wind. A place that was once home to Blues Brother Jake.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: in keeping with Joe J's theorem ..

David P: Good point. I suspect that Mr Faith's hit - Percy's Song? - referred to the inside of the cottage rather than to the great outdoors, which were likely cold and wet - especially if it was a weekend.


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Posted by:

David P.

Location: From A Canadian Summer Place

Bill M: Columbia started of the '60s with a soothing instrumental that created quite a bang, thanks to the Canadian orchestra leader Percy Faith, signed by A&R man Mitch Miller. Mr. Faith's version of "Theme From A Summer Place" spent several weeks at #1 on the Billboard chart and later won a Grammy for Record of the Year.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill an example that doesn't fit the mold you just described would be Tom Connors. I think his music can be described as Canadian, just because he's Canadian and seems to be one of a kind, he's national but hasn't really spread outside the country.

As proof of his style being distinctly Canadian or appreciated only by Canadians I offer up a very limited, really, very limited poll on the subject.

A couple of years ago I heard a woman describing a trip she took on a ferry from BC to Washington State ( I think). The ferry was one that carries cars as well as passengers. This woman put on a Stompin Tom tape in her car and turned up the volume. Some passengers started gathering around her car to listen. As it turned out the people who were drawn in were all Canuckastanis even though there were many Americans on the ferry . She said the Canuckastanis were young and old and some knew Tom's music others didn't.

She approached a couple of Americans and asked them what they thought of the music and discovered that Americans, at least the ones she spoke to,just don't get Stompin's music like Canuckleheads do. But as I said a very, very limited poll.

I checked my albums but didn't see any mention of Lanois but some are on tapes and the boxes don't have as much info as the vinyl albums I have. Declan O'Doherty and George Graves are listed as engineers on more than one album each.

Just listened to Jian's Friday live guests, Deep Dark Woods, from Saskatchewan. The last song they played, which is so new it has no name but was completely enthralling.

I was listening thinking why am I getting sucked into this song so quickly.

The song ends and Jian had the answer. He says," wow, guys that was.....Band like." Then he has a brief talk with them about who would they say influenced their music. They admitted that the Band's sound definitely is a strong one but then said they had other people who they felt really influenced their sound, then they listed several people who are all people Band fans would recognize as influences on The Band themselves, including Muddy and the Stanley Bros. And of course they're playing at The Horseshoe in Toronto tonight. And the beat goes on.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Fog bound coast

Subject: Inside/Outside

It's the Canadian perspective, perhaps dictated by the weather. We're usually on the inside looking out. I wonder how many Canadian paintings are of the view from a window.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: music and lyrics from a basement room in a pink house inhabited by Canadians

David P: Doesn't there seem to be a certain interior-design theme running through late '60s Columbia recordings involving Canuckistanis - Music from a big pink house, Songs from a spartan room, Tapes from a basement ...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: A Little Bit South of Saskatoon

Nashville stars such as Bobby Bare, Marty Robbins and Waylon Jennings were among the first to cover songs by Gordon Lightfoot and Ian Tyson. And then there's Sonny James, The Southern Gentleman from Alabama, who had a hit with the song "A Little Bit South of Saskatoon".

The late-great Texas songwriter Cindy Walker penned "Blue Canadian Rockies" in the '50s which was first recorded by Gene Autrey for the movie by the same name. Others such as Hank Snow, Jim Reeves and The Byrds (on "Sweetheart of the Rodeo") covered the classic.

How would one catergorize Leonard Cohen's "Songs From A Room"? The Canadian-born L. Cohen wrote the songs while living on the Greek island of Hydra and later recorded them in Nashville with Bob Johnston producing.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Next Generation

Jan: Old Crow Medicine Show is a great young string band. They're energetic and very talented. A tough act to follow. I won't be able to make it to that show but my daughter is moving to the DC area for a new job and leaving Texas after two years. She wanted to see another one of her favorite young bands--The Wiyos--who are opening for the Bob Dylan, John Mellencamp, Willie Nelson minor league ballpark tour. We'll be at the one in Norfolk, Virginia. With bands like Old Crow Medicine Show and The Wiyos, I feel better about the next generation of music.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Didn't Daniel Lanois work (maybe as engineer?) on one of Stan Rogers' albums - providing that crucial link to our guys?

Rich P: Good invocation of the Hank Snow example. Given the rural British roots of so many of the early Euro settlers of the colonies that became the US and Canada, I can't help but think that it's off the mark to identify a good number of folk songs as 'American' or 'Canadian'. And much of what's left is regional rather than national - and in some cases spread to the rest of the world just as fast as to the rest of the country. (Jazz and rock and roll are two excellent examples.)


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: Canadian music

Heard last night that the group Loverboy is from Canada - is this indigenous music from Alberta . . . ?? I was thinking more of Ian Tyson.

J.F.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: What are the chances of ...

Levon, Robbie or Garth coming to australia?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Brien, the Tower Theater is still a great venue. My favorite place to see a show in the Philly area.

Tonight we'll be at the Wachovia Center for Clapton / Winwood.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Robbie's solo album...

erm, I think it was mentioned here, not least by Sebastian Robertson...


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I would love to see RR in concert. I will travel to see that show. I also imagine he'd play smaller venues - no bigger than the Beacon in NYC or the Tower in Philadelphia (is it still open - it's been so long). One wonders if he'd ask Garth to work the keyboards for the tour or at least co-keyboard the tour. Since RR has lots of ethereal textures to much of his music, Garth would seem like an appropriate choice.


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Posted by:

S.M.

Subject: What's New???

Right on, King Leonidas!

Maud's post on Facebook about Garth and Maud's projects in progress was picked up by What's New the following day(June 11),yet still no mention of the June 7th post on Facebook about RR's return to studio and possible tour.


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Posted by:

Steve

Norm, like I said, Steve knows Stan. I'll try and correct any mistakes you make so that newcomers, like Lars, to The World Of Stan, are not led astray. Always better to get the info right the first time since it leads to less confusion as you add to your knowledge on a subject. The importance of a solid foundation can never be over estimated, which I'm sure Lars appreciates.

For fans of Stan, saying Garnet usually played bass, needed to be responded to. If someone here, when referring to The Band, said Rick usually played banjo or J2RS was a singer, both statements would have to be challenged before the words had cooled on the screen. Same with your comment.

Where are all the Gord fans? There is no chorus in The Canadian Railroad Trilogy.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Yo Peter,

Yes, it is something to behold. I caught Jimmy and Hubert a few times in the late 90s, when I was home in NY visiting from st louis. At the now long gone Chicago Blues, on 8th ave. In was Jimmy's band backing him up, James wormworth, Mike Merrit, Jimmy, Jerryvivino was along , and i tihnk at different shows Scott Healy and Brian Mitchell on keys.

Yes, Jimy and Hubert do trade licks without stepping on each others toes, but what I really enjoy is the way they complement each others`playing at the same time. Simultaneous leads of varying complementary nature, and wacked out rythyms behind leads.

Wake Up Call was a great album Vivino produced for Hubert.Round that time. They did that in one or two days. Live, everyone in the same room. Hubert did another record that same year, produced by Jimmy D Lane, Jimmy Roger's son.. No comparison. As Hubert said about Wake Up Call: "Vivino felt my mind."

Last time I saw Hubert & Vivino together was at the Jazz Standard. It was few years back. Mighta been 02, 03, 04. It was a Howlin for Hubert, but James was drumming, not Levon, and Donna Oxford was playing piano, for david Maxwell. Was a fine show.

James, who really deserves the job full time, was always Max's replacement drummer in the Conan show. They just made him a full fledged membrr of the Tonight show orchestra, playing percussion. Just slides over to drums when Max goes out with The Boss.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the turtle pond

Subject: Hubert & Jimmy V.

Friend0, Damn! Don't Sumlin & Jimmy V play well together, trading licks and never stepping on each others' toes! A thrill to see and hear at the "Howlin' For Hubert" shows. And Pat B, thanks for the additional info about Howard. I've loved the touch he brought to The Band material, after getting real fond of his playing with Taj Mahal.


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Posted by:

king leonidas

as posted on Robbie Robertson facebook, he is in the studio working on a new album and he says possibly a tour, not sure why this has not been mentioned


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Posted by:

Rich P

I'm pretty sure Robbie simply means that Canada has no genre of typically 'Canadian' music, like the U.S. has 'blues' or 'jazz' or 'gospel' (Just like there is no typically Canadian cuisine :). Of course, people hang on Robbie's every word because he is now regarded as something of a historian. He did eventually discover indigenous Canadian music (and his own roots).

Maybe the truth is not quite so simple. Like maybe Canadians have contributed enough to American genres to claim they belong to us as well. How about 'country and western' as a Canadian genre? Hank Snow was pretty influential in the field.

Hey Peter: Yeah, I'm sure we agree about a lot of British coursebooks being inappropriate. And, for better or worse (probably better) the Libyans won't consider American books.

Will email.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: Levon in the D.C. area

I believe this may have just been announced - appearing at Merriweather-Post Pavilion, Columbia, MD, Sunday August 16:

Route 29 Revue featuring OLD CROW MEDICINE SHOW • LEVON HELM • IRON AND WINE • GRACE POTTER • FELICE BROTHERS • JUSTIN JONES

Tickets on sale tomorrow at 10 am EDT.

Grace Potter was a big hit at the Wanee Fest we attended last weekend near Jacksonville, FL We missed her (opted for Gov't Mule -- maybe not such a good decision).

J.F.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Stan Rogers

NORM- Thanks for directing me to YouTube & the Stan Rogers videos. The one I really wanted ("Northwest Passage") was there. First time I've heard that song since I saw the documentary "Iron Men and Wooden Ships." That was quite a while ago, but I became interested in Franklin because of that production. A number of books later, I still find the expedition an interesting topic.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Belly Laughs

I don't know if Garnet ever played the bass. He played every thing else. I was sure if I said that, yer little digits would be a blur on that key board to say something.

The bass player who played with him in his later years, was Jim Morison, (one r). He is in all the pictures in the book, and played with Stan on his final concert.

There is a "Discography" at the end of the book, that begins with these two paragraphs:

The Canadian folk community is a tight knit group, and within it Stan Rogers built a large circle of friends __ his extended family. This part of the book is dedicated to them.

What follows is an annotated discography ____ a list of selected recordings by Stan and other members of his folk family. Space constraints make it impossible to be comprehensive, but this list should provide a good starting point for anyone wishing to discover and listen to the folk music of Canada.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Sumlin/Vivino

June 28th Long Beach California mardi Graw and Crawfish Fest

Hubert sumlin and wille Big eyes Smith with Jimmy vivino and Barry Goldberg's East West Connection backing them up

it don't get better


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Posted by:

Peter V

Rich P. I think we agree. My mind is boggled by British texts that imagine students will be enthralled by the years Charles Dickens spent in Portsmouth, or the History of the Morris Minor motor car. it makes little”headway” for me. . On the other hand, if I have to read another dull derivative American text on Thanksgiving, I’ll pull my head off. Are you in Libya? As this is esoteric ELT stuff, try e-mailing me if you want to discuss those issues. Link from any of the Articles on the site.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Levon Helm Band in St. Paul

Zzzz, thanks for the review. Levon looked like he was having as good a time as we were.

What a show! Twelve players onstage, including the Dirt Farmer band with Jim Weider and a five-man horn section.

I was at the very end of the sixth row on the main floor, at the right of the stage, where the drum kit was set up, so I had a great view of Levon pumping that left arm like he was throwing a punch.

Levon's voice sounded good, if a bit weak in the opening number, "Ophelia" (warmly received by the full house), but it grew stronger as the show went on. His pitch was dead on.

Jim Weider was kept on a short leash, playing an amplified acoustic on most songs, but when they let him cut loose on his Fender, as on "The Weight," he really wailed.

I wish all the vocals had been louder. Teresa Williams has a fine soprano voice, but I couldn't hear her well, even in parts of her solo number. Larry Campbell seemed to be holding back so as not to overpower the others, but neither Levon nor Amy nor Teresa has a really strong voice. With 10 or 12 musicians on the same stage, that's a lot of sound.

I am so glad to have had this opportunity to see the Levon Helm Band in St. Paul. The obvious joy he takes in performing is contagious. When the band played "Rock and Roll Shoes," I couldn't help but think how Levon has been playing rock and roll for fifty-some years. It's a gas to see him going strong.

Zzzz, sorry I missed you, and whatever happened to Jerry? What up Jer?


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Garnet Rogers

Norm, while I'm sure Garnet can play a bass guitar I've never seen him play one or be listed on an album as playing one. When I saw them he was always playing violin or flute and occasionally acoustic guitar but I never saw him playing bass, it was usually David Alan Eadie playing an electric bass. When Garnet and Archie Fisher toured neither played bass at least not when I saw them or heard any of their live recordings. Geez just thinking of Archie and Garnet I'm now going to have to dig out the tapes I've got by them and then find my old Walkman.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Peter M, Howard Johnson's baritone sax on Caledonia Mission from RoA was another highlight.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: easy way out

"Big Bill’s disdain for labels is simply stated: 'You hear people talking about folk songs. You hear people talking about the blues, like it’s something else. It’s all folk songs. You never hear horses sing ‘em.'"

-Studs Terkel, liner notes to Folkways Records FS 3864, _Studs Terkel's Weekly Almanac on Folk Music Blues on WFMT with Big Bill Broonzy and Pete Seeger_


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Posted by:

Peter M.

And Howard's tuba solo was one of the standout features of Rag Mama Rag on Rock of Ages.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the pond

Subject: Fitzgerald's gig

Zzzz, So glad that you got to experience a Ramble on the Road. I live about 200 miles from Woodstock, so I've gotten to attend several Rambles there each year since their inception. It was delightful, as time went on to see tunes added to the repertoire, and fleshed out by the Levon Helm Band. W.S. Walcott/Crash On the Levee was fun, and The Weight was a blockbuster surprise & delight. Al La Glory, sung by Amy was equivalent to an out of body experience, especially after thinking for years that we'd never hear these songs again. I went to a Ramble this January with my 21 year old nephew. When he heard Howard's playing on "Rock and Roll Shoes", he said "Oh my God, that guy plays just like the original record!". I said, "Yeah, that's because HE PLAYED on the original record".


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: R.I.P. Barry Beckett

On a more serious note -- The legendary musician & producer Barry Beckett died last night at his home in Hendersonville, Tenn. Among his countless credits were contributions on both of Levon's self-titled albums.


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Posted by:

David P.

Steve: I can see that it's useless to belabor the point with you. What you still fail to acknowledge is that Robbie wasn't ignoring or downplaying any individual contributions of Canadian musicians, he was just stating that, with a couple exceptions, the form of musical compostition they employ is not unique or innate to Canada.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Youtube follies

The stupid thing doesn't come up right, so just google Barrett's Privateers youtube, and there it is!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Barretts Privateers

A youtube clip of Stan, hope it works.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: More Profound Rambling

I don't see this as a competition, "beating any one to anything." In GOING DOWN, the plane made an emergency landing in Cincinnatti, do you get that part now. It sure as hell didn't stay up there. I only added to the information about Stan Rogers. He 'did" die from smoke inhalation, and he DID die because he was helping get passengers off the plane.

The constant belittling of Robbie Robertson, and what he does or doesn't "think" or the position he may take on other music, is only "heresay" on your part. For anyone to go out of their way to dig up negative information, and put down some one as much as possible is an obsession. I suppose if that's the only way one can get attention then it must be a necessity.

The point you made Bill, "What defines any particular style, or gender of music", is the one that can never be answered. Who is the "final say" in defintion? Neil Young, is touted as "The Voice" of Canadian Folk, and has 33 albums in 43 years. How can his music be defined. There are no doubt many different songs that may be put into many different slots. Then there is that old term, "crossover songs".

Hey Lars; How gozzit? Northwest Passage is an album too. A lot of great music. Stan's brother Garnet, who played in his band the whole time, (bass mostly), is still playing and singing, and he's pretty good too. But just google Stan, or possibly there is Youtube footage of him. A lot of his stuff is great.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Lunch time and my two cents worth

NORM- I don't know as much about you in regards to Stan Rogers, but it sounds like he lived a life that made a difference. The only time I came upon his name was when I looked up the lyrics of his song "Northwest Passage."

(In part)

Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage
To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea;
Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage,
And make a Northwest Passage to the sea.
-- Stan Rogers

Sir John Franklin and all 128 men from his two ships perished while trying to find that "one warm line" that would form a Northwest Passage. His ships entered the high artic in 1845 and they were never seen again, with the exception of some Inuit who gave some seal meat to the emaciated remnant of the crew. They tried to walk all the way down to a Hudson Bay trappers' settlement, but only got part way before the last sailor fell and succumbed to the elements.


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Posted by:

Steve

David, I never said J2RS wasn't aware of the songwriters in Canada, I think by saying "HE KNEW OF GORD'S Railroad Trilogy" that I made that point. What I was saying is he either chose to ignore or downplay the importance of music being made by other Canadians. But J2RS has a history of downplaying the importance of the music made by others, nothing new there. If you're really as confused as you say you are , may I suggest you pull out your copy of ATGD, turn to the notes at the back and read it yourself.

Then, if you think I'm over analyzing your post get out a dictionary and look up the definition of innate.

Norm, sorry for beating you to the punch on Stan. The flight he was on which was bringing him back from his last concert at the Kerrville Texas Folk Festival, didn't actually "go down", it landed. There was a small fire that involved the material in the seat coverings, Stan died from breathing in toxic chemicals in the smoke.

His death led to a change in the laws governing the materials that can be used in the interior of commercial passenger planes. Need to know anything else about Stan let me know. Steve knows Stan. Valerie and I became great pen pals in the late 80's and I got to know quite about both Stan and Garnett. I always felt a strong connection with Stan. Though neither of us were born on the north Atlantic coast, our families were from there and we both spent our summers there while growing up and got involved , indifferent ways, with the local fishermen. Stan sang about them, I fished with them. I connected with him the first time I heard Fogarty's Cove.


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Posted by:

David P.

Location: Lyrics AND Music

The key, in most instances, is to look at the distinction between the lyrical subject matter and that of the musical style of the composition. Often the two might reflect the same indigenous influence, as in Robbie's "Stomp Dance (Unity)". Sometimes the two reflect two different influences, as in Neil Young's "Helpless".


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Posted by:

Bill M

Sadavid: The local Chapters store had that very CD in teh folk bin before Christmas, and I gave serious thought to suggesting to someone that it might make a dandy Xmas gift. But I didn't, and now Chapters has dumped its CD section - so I'll have to rely on your review. Lemme know.

One of the problems with identifying 'folk' music is defining 'folk' music. Is it just the public domain stuff (in which case no "Four Strong Winds", but also no "Waltzing Matilda"), or it the PD stuff plus any newer song sung an the approved sepia-toned style (so FSW and WM would be back in), or does it come down in the middle and include PD plus just the newer stuff that everybody knows and is capable of singing around a campfire (in which case FSW and WM would be in, but not the lesser songs of Ian Tyson or Banjo Paterson). If the latter, there are tons of Beatles songs, Dylan songs, etc., etc., that can be said to be folkier - in the sense of being known by more people than almost all the truly old stuff combined.

In elementary school we sang "I'se The By" (likely a true folk song), "Farewell To Nova Scotia" (ditto, possibly a translation from a song written in French) and "Squid Jiggin' Ground" (a song written in the '30s by Art Scammell, but seems timeless).

Robbie's views may have changed since '71. Certainly if you read what Garth had to say about his influences in that 100 best Canuck albums book you'll find a whole bunch of names of people who were playing folk music - sometimes strummer/singers, but sometimes fiddlers and accordionists.

Speaking of which, it occurred to me that multiple Grammy polka winner Walter Ostenak may be the only guy in the category whose paths would have crossed that of the early Hawks, as he was also a bassist and did jobbing gigs around the Niagara Peninsula through the '50s and early '60s.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: Profound Ramblings & Levon's Rambles

I think Norm put it best but, nevertheless, thanks, David . . .

Yes, Zzzz -- Levon's current rendition of Rag Mama Rag" is a sight and sound to behold!"

J.F.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Rag Mama Rag was really cool too... I mean, who brings a tuba player up front and center to drive a rock song... Very cool, Howard Johnson...


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: An Unfinished Conversation

David: Steve's "Profound ramblngs" of information with a gun full of blanks upstairs, just make for the "court jester" sort of entertainment.

An Unfinished Conversation, is a book from my libray, written by Chris Gudgeon, (who I expect Bill Munson and Sadavid) would know. The book is about Stan Rogers. The forward in the book is by Sylvia Tyson. A very good read.

Firstly, it is interesting to understand, when flight 797 went down in Cincinnati in 1983, at an airport, it was on fire. Stan Rogers was helping get people off the plane, and in so doing, lost his own life.

Stan Rogers wrote over 100 songs and had a very large following in the US and world wide. His songs, such as "45 years" dedicated to his wife who had been married before and was "leary" of marriage is a great sound with touching lyrics. Barretts Privateers, is done acuppello, a pirate lost his legs in a battle, left on the wharf at Halifax.

From "The Idiot"

So I bid farewell to the Eastern town I never more will see.

But work I must so I eat this dust and breath refinery

Oh, I miss the green and the woods and streams, and I don't like cowboy clothes

But I like being free and that makes me an idiot I suppose

Whatever Robbie Robertson may have said in 1971, at age 28 or 9, or what ever, he perhaps did not have the same perspective on music that he, like all of us may have now.

Every one but Steve may realize that, and take into consideration how things change. But then I suppose living out on the farm, one may think, Murray McGlaughlin's farmers song just came out last week.

One only needs to type a few few words on this key board to arrive at the history of Flok Music in Canada, with it's many ethnic influences. Just stop for a minute, and start putting down here the many folk songs of this country.

Ian Tyson's, "Summer Wages", "Four Strong Winds"

Murray McGlaughlin's "Farmers Song"

Many of Leonard Cohen, and the list is too long, so to make some of the "uninformed" remarks the farmer does about Canadian Folk Music, is just........funny


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Jimmy and Jer, sorry I couldn't hookup with ya... I had hoped to check back from the road but probs with my wife's phone... We ate and drank a bit at POP!, actually quite good...

Hey, wasn't that a great Levon Show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... A feast of sound and visuals as well... I really loved the New Orleans flavor... and the five piece horn section marching around the stage... Levon was really at his best on those quiet Dirt Farmer numbers too... when he sat out front with mandolin... Looks like he was fighting a good runny nose but you wouldn't have known from his singing... The guy who sang the Dylan number and one of the New Orleans tunes was a nice surprise... This was like a variety show almost... Amy and Teresea both sang beautifully too... The highlight of the show though for me... was a very muscular Chest Fever... with Larry and Jim Weider just going at it... Larry's deep voice with that NY accent is just perfect for this song... and it's definitely a guitar rock version... very powerful... I liked some of the new album numbers as well... just soooo so much going on in one night... and I gotta rush out of here now... but this is definitely a must-see show... The Fitzgerald Theatre was a cool venue too... with those Kennedy-Wilkes-Booth-like seating booths... the stone... curtains... I was way up in second balcony and even moved up higher at end... where the sound was cool... They also let you drink in the place... felt like being in an old-timey theatre in the 70's... fun fun fun... Lastly, my kids called our cell phone from Grandma's just as Chest Fever was starting so my wife let them hear Jimmy and Larry go at it for a few moments hehehehe... The Weight was also nicely done... and let's see... really liked the dancing trombone player with the out of control right elbow... Amy even sat in on drums for a number... Levon was also turned at right angles on drums so you could watch his technique the whole time... really really cool... Larry's fiddling is wonderful too... and Weider shows me something different everytime I see him play... in whatever setting, a true professional... always busting out of musical seams powerfully...

Oh well, gotta run... trying to get out the door here on vacation...


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Posted by:

Deb

Excellent point, David. And to take it a bit further, many of indigenous forms from the U.S. heavily influenced the kind of music that Robbie and the rest of The Band played - as The Band, the Hawks, and in their pre-Hawks bands. African-American gospel, old-time country, New Orleans music of various kinds, are just a few examples of music with deep roots in the American South that influenced not only The Band, but rock and roll as a genre. These are not obscure forms by any means, but they are indigenous.

Yes, Steve, there are many, many fine musicians from Canada, but if Canada has as many influential indigenous genres as the U.S., I'd appreciate your pointing me to where I can learn more about them.


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Posted by:

David P.

Steve: You've lost me again in your ramblings. Your original quote contained the statement "except for the odd jig or reel there is no Canadian music" and did not include the question Robbie was responding to. Now you proceed to over-analyze my point that he was referring to music as an indigenous form unique to Canada.

As an example, Linda Ronstadt has interpreted Neil Young's "Love Is A Rose", and when you hear it you don't immediately think that it's a form of Canadian music. Yet when she sings something from "Canciones de Mi Padre" (My Father's Songs), you think that's mariachi/ranchera music from Mexico. And when you hear Ms. Ronstadt perform a certain song from "Adieu False Heart" with Ann Savoy, you're hearing the Cajun influence from Louisiana.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: folk music of darkest Canuckistan

Dlew919: I also would like to hear some of that Canadian folk music. I'm thinking of breaking down and ordering the one at [My link] from Folkways.

They have tons of cool albums, including one with Montréal poets that includes some L. Cohen sides. Also _The Doukhobors of British Columbia_ featuring "Song of the Mosquito."


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Posted by:

Steve

David, I guess you can insist that he meant something that was being done in Canada that was not being done anywhere else in the world. That by definition means obscure, I think. Then you'd have to get down to Inuit throat singing, which is probably also done in Greenland which I guess would eliminate it as well. Maybe some, as of yet, undiscovered tribe on the north west coast of BC is doing some funky, northern rain forest butt slapping rhythmic stuff that is peculiar to that area which would qualify. But maybe someday it would be traced back to the Africa savanna and would be disqualified as well.

The question he was answering was whether there was any Canadian influence on the Band's music. If you stick to the very strict definition you're proposing you'd have to eliminate the New Orleans sound as a distinct influence as well. Rock and Roll, as J2RS has said, did not evolve in a vacuum. At least I think it was him, in TLW, possibly talking about the music and on stage moves done by Chuck Berry and others.

Dlew, if you want to hear some distinctive Canadian folk the man to search out is Stan Rogers. While Canadian folk doesn't begin and end with Stan he certainly was one of the most talented, singer songwriters Canada has produced, ever. Here's a selection of titles if you'd like a serious, "Stan Fan's, list of personal favorites. North West Passage, White Squall, 45 Years, Barrett's Privateers, The Field Behind The Plow, and of course my personal favorite, The Idiot, a tale about one of the thousands of east coasters who leave the depressed economic situation of their home towns behind and head for the money in the oil fields of Alberta.

There is a video on the net called, One Warm Line, which is a 45 minute doc about Stan, his music and his life which unfortunately came to an end in a plane accident when he was just 33.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: More on books, et cetera

See link..


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Maybe Bono would just like to see radio stations go out of business and then get no air-play. Or perhaps Bono is complaining because he and U2 just don't have the chops they once had and sales are way down and the money isn't what it used to be. Hey - I love U2 but the bloom has been off the flower on them for a while now.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Robbie and Canadian Music

David P. beat me, but what I was going to say is that I don't know any Canadian folk songs off hand in the same way I know, well, Australian ones (eg Click go the Shears, Waltzing Matilda), or English ones, or American ones. Naturally, I plead ignorance, for I am ignorant. certainly, the old Canadian game of 'Name 5 famous Canadians' falls flat with musicians: Cohen, Mitchell, Young, Robertson, Danko, Hudson, Manuel, Lifeson, Lee, Morrisette, Shaeffer, and on and on...

I'd lov to hear some examples of Canadian folk music...


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Posted by:

David P.

Steve: In all fairness to Robbie, you can't say that he wasn't aware of the gifted musicians & songwriters from Canada. I believe that what he was referring to in the remarks you quoted was music in the indigenous sense, that which is truly innate to Canada.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: musicFIRST

Catchy name. At the risk of reviving an argument that's been done to death here -- [My link] has an article about a complaint to the US FCC -- an artist (Bono or not Bono) alleges a radio boycott in retaliation for said artist's support of royalties for musicians (in addition to royalties for songwriters).

musicFIRST's alleged supporters include GB faves Don Henley and Celine Dion . . . .


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: shakey setlist

[My link] has the line-up (preview, not review) for the Neil tribute concert. Musta been good.


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Posted by:

Steve

Last night 19 different bands/performers reproduced Neil's, now legendary, 1971 concert at Massey Hall. Yes 1971, the same year J2RS still wasn't aware of any Canadian music of significance outside of a few jigs and reels. One of the high -lites of the show according to some audience members was a performance art like rendition of, Helpless, by Toronto's, Danny Michel. Michele is one funky dude.

Is Toronto becoming the center of 1970's significant concert reproductions or is this going on elsewhere as well? First it was The Last Waltz 2 years ago and now Neil's Massey Hall show.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: what is literacy?

L33t speak is just another form of language. If I spl lk ths, lol, u can stl undrstnd wot im saying. Yes, you won't read Yeats like this, but you're not meant to. Having taught undergrads far more proficient in L33t than me, I've been struck by how much they still appreciate good writing, in proper english. /n It is a worry that kids want to get rid of copyright: when they start creating, that will change ...


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Posted by:

Rich P

Subject: Photocopying

Peter: It's just when we Canadians start teaching abroad that we go mad with the photo copier. Usually, it's due to local school management choosing a British textbook that is totally inappropriate (describing rowing a boat in Cambridge rather than situations they will likely meet) and need to be supplimented with stuff that is more on target from materials the teacher brings to the job. Right now I'm trying to find materials appropriate for Arabic speakers in Libya. It's tough. the ubiquitous 'special occasions', and 'describe how people look' sections contain pretty alien concepts for these guys.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

My dad met with Bob Johnston today. Blonde on Blonde producer. Very cool!


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Minnesota Road Ramble

Zzzz, Jimmy & Jerry. I'm really happy for you guys that you're seeing Levon tonight. I have a feeling that you've been waiting a long time for this....You're in for a treat! Looking forward to hearing about it.

The reviews on Levon's GB that I've read from the Chicago show sounds like it was a great concert. Lot's of happy fans out there.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Without the fez on.........


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Zzzz, I haven't heard from Jerry. I'll try to stop at Great Waters (426 St. Peter) before the show. Wearing a black Stax T-shirt. If I miss seeing you there . . . enjoy the show!!!


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Posted by:

Friend0

I'm still firmly for paper, pens, pencils, vinyl, analogue recording. My humble opinion is that digital recording, broadcasting or presenting more than 2 minutes of a piece of music online, and publishing most types of written format ( i'll allow David and peter to tweak the written format publishing part of this, trusting their judgment on this) online should all be punishable by no less than 5 yeasr imprisonment. Whilst I personally may be violating those principles now myself, it is not yet law.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, to their credit California is a leader on the alternative power front. Wind, solar and hydro power (among others) are growing rapidly there. I think the bigger issue is the "after life" of the components.


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Posted by:

Steve

All those huge computers that the large servers use also suck up lots of power. I can't remember how much power the ones in California use but it was a mega amount.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Jimmy and Jerry, where are you guys going for a drink tonight before the show?... Sorry, I've been so busy to get on this sooner... Leave a GB post and I'll check back from phone on road... I'll be wearing a black Levon T-shirt and a black n' gold North Stars sweatshirt...


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

The link above is to a rather dry but almost totally accurate article about a dynamic Toronto group of the mid '60s. I'm posting it here because of the mention of the Hawks maybe a third of the way through. (Also mentions Butterfield, Bloomfield, Blues Project, et al.)


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Posted by:

bob w.

economic gaps


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Posted by:

bob w.

The "green" aspect of this initative is under close scrutiny. We have to remember that the evaluation takes a long, long list of factors in to consideration. Trees cut for paper production, time it takes to replenish, the energy usage in the forestry process, pollutants resultant of the paper manufacturing process, energy to power paper mills, energy and capital to print, ink production, disposal methods, fuel to transport millions of pounds of freight, etc. versus chemicals, recycling potential, energy use of e-readers, transport, etc.

"Green" in many cases will be determined by the lesser of two evils which at least provides a small step forward for the environment. This makes the discussion that much more interesting for me. There are so many factors that impact all of us when these choices are made.

This topic is also closely related to the vision President Obama recently shared in Cairo...."On education, we will expand exchange programs, and increase scholarships, like the one that brought my father to America. (Applause.) At the same time, we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities. And we will match promising Muslim students with internships in America; invest in online learning for teachers and children around the world; and create a new online network, so a young person in Kansas can communicate instantly with a young person in Cairo."

The only way these dreams can be realized is through the continuing advancements of the technologies that close the huge geographical and economical gaps we must bridge.


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Posted by:

David P.

Peter V: Have you looked into obtaining a licensing agreement for your works with the Copyright Clearance Center here in the U.S.?

bob w: I would also raise the issue as to whether producing millions of electronic devices for school children, along with batteries containing toxic chemicals, is truly a greener alternative.


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Posted by:

Peter V

As someone whose books have been much photocopied in the USA (which means mainly California as the biggest ESL area) I have never seen a cent from photocopying. if the publishers have received money, they haven't passed on the contractual 50%. On the other hand, Canada's payment is a nice (little) surprise once a year.

They're just basically more honest up there, eh?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Winston Smith, anyone?

One of the great things about the replacement of the printed word with the digital is that it will make it easier for authors, publishers and the authorities in general to fix little things like typos and innocent misstatements in all copies. And even bigger stuff like defamatory statements and factual errors. And still bigger things like morally repugnant statements - and maybe politically unpalatable ones too while we're at it. And of course to clear out the digital archives so those troubling things don't linger like embarrassing proof of thought-error.


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Posted by:

David P.

bob w: That's a good question. As we've seen with CD and DVD technology, security protection can be easily compromised by hackers. The digital formats have opened up a whole new can of worms regarding legal issues. Just in the news today is a report that the Justice Department has begun an anti-trust probe into the settlement deal that Google struck with the major publishers & Authors Guild, allowing millions of books to be available online.

Another concern to the Federal Trade Commission relates to consumer privacy issues. As anyone who orders, or merely views, products online knows, your preferences are openly exposed to e-trade retailers. In what is referred to as behavioral advertising, the e-traders use this personal info to pitch similar products to consumers. As one can easily see, there's a potential for a digital Pandora's Box.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

In a wicked financial crisis, I find it innovative that California would go the "E-Book" route. I don't wholeheartedly agree with it but it's not only a way of staying up on current technology and keeping kids involved but saving money in a time where money to support much of anything is hard to come by. With California as are many states, in such financial instability, you have to make tough decisions to see if you can save money at all costs so other programs can stay afloat as well. I'm sure if Califronia was in fine financial shape this move would have no legs.

If my kids were more apt to read from a Kindle than the traditional book - then I'll get some Kindles. Personally, I can't read at great length on the computer - heck I don't read posts here if I have to scroll more than a couple clicks.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Books

It may just be me, but I have a hard time reading text from a computer screen I think Bill Gates even said he has problems with it. Also, with textbooks,I would highlight passages and then go back to review them. It would be more difficult on a Kindle.


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Posted by:

bob w.

David, is it then possible that illegal use of copyrighted text might be more difficult to achieve in a properly protected digital format? Curious about your opinion.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: David Carradine

LINK: David Carradine singing," House of The Rising Sun".

Something from our "old" friend, the lovely Rosalind. Too bad she's been banned from here. I thought she had some great posts. Yes, she was controversial [sp?], but always entertaining to read her posts. She misses all you guys I'm sure.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


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Posted by:

David P.

Peter: While it's true that "fair use" exemptions relating to photocopying exist here in the U.S., it's not carte blanche. Publishers can still file lawsuits to recover damages for non-permitted copyright violations. In one legal precedent case, several textbook publishers successfully recovered millions in damages from Kinkos, a company that runs a chain of photocopying stores. Many academic instituitions & businesses here in the U.S. also pay annual copyright clearance license fees relating to reproducing educational materials.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: "But this is a music site … what's this all about?"

You are right, Peter V. - Here in Sweden Piratpartiet (Pirate Party) got one mandate in Europian Parliament. They say: Get rid of copyrights! A huge amount of youngsters under 30 years voted for them. It reminds me of Mao Tse Tung and the Culture Revolution.


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Posted by:

Steve

I just listened to a radio program aimed at teck geeks( I know, why the fuck am I listening)and they were talking about E books and the amount of info flowing to places like Amazon that is placing a strain on the capacity of the net to deliver it. Amazon now offers a service that includes putting your info on a disk and mailing it, yes through the service provided by Newman and his gun happy friends, to Amazon. The service sometimes gets info stored at Amazon faster than sending it by the net. Everything old is indeed new again.

Peter, that would be the Green Party of Canada. I'll let them know of your impending party subscription. One warning though, our leader is a Yankee. Damn!

Brien, check out the Greens in the Iranian election, the party that is giving The Nutcake President a run for his Rial. They're not your western, Eco Green party, but they are being led by the educated young folks I mentioned last week. The results will be in this week, I think.


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Posted by:

bob w.

There are protection devices that are operating as we discuss the issue. Amazon's model is what gave them the leg up in the market. I'm certain all of that is being considered and the mistakes that were made on the music side will surely provide great lessons in the digital text market. Those same wonderfully talented and creative people who provide our textbooks will have legal protection and viable outlets for their work. It can't work otherwise.


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Posted by:

Peter V

BTW, if anyone's thinking, "But this is a music site … what's this all about?" I'll add a bit. It's all about rewarding creative input and paying people for intellectual copyright. Musicians, like authors and TV program makers are all in the same boat here.


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Posted by:

Peter V

By the way, hopefully Arnie will insist that DVDs of his work are loaded on the internet to provide free access for anyone who wants to watch them. And will make more movies free so they can be downloaded.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Actually kids need to own textbooks. The British system where they’re issued free doesn’t work for foreign language teaching. The books get collected in every year and the next year gets issued. At the end of year five, the final exams arrive and kids only have year five’s book. In most of Europe, parents pay for books, so kids keep them and can look back. Many countries set a maximum price for textbooks for use in state-funded schools. Japan used to set it artificially low to stop foreign publishers competing, but systems are in place with maximum price levels, and publishers work towards them. They have to. If governments did more to stop piracy and photocopying, cover prices could stay lower.

The USA does not pay photocopying royalties to authors and publishers. Canada, the UK, Germany, Australia, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries all do. Photocopying is a major issue with textbooks. What no one realises is that people can’t provide high quality textbooks for free. Authors, editors, designers, illustrators, printers, paper manufacturers, truck drivers, publishers reps … we all like to put food on the table as much as the next person. A year’s school text is AT LEAST a year’s full time work for the author, plus another year part-time while it’s in house being designed, edited and illustrated. The year’s work is only possible because of ten or twenty years experience beforehand. People won’t provide this service free. You can always get “material” but it’ll be crap.

Private schools will use a wider range of options. All Arnie kept doing in the BBC speech was reiterating a saving of $350 million.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: E-Books

E-Books can be a great way to supplement traditional paper textbooks. But quite often, homework and research requires having more than one textbook open at a time and the ability to flip back and forth quickly from one section of text to another. I can't imagine trying to do all of that on a 13" or smaller laptop type of screen. It's just too limiting for many types of study.

Reading straight text is fine on a kindle/E-Book type of device, and the ability to search for information quickly electronically is a plus....but there are many time tested benefits to paper textbooks. Plus they're recyclable! The best solution from an educational aspect is probably some combination of paper and electronic depending upon the subject matter and type of study that will result in a better educated populace. That should be the overriding concern for selecting coursework materials.

As Steve points out there are many costs associated with technology that aren't always apparent at first glance. And there aren't many technologies yet that can match the simple archival properties of paper. They may save money on printing, but the people who author & publish textbooks will figure out a way to make up the difference in licensing. It's the content that needs to be paid for. Add in the cost of upgrades, damage, and hardware failures, and the costs multiply. I highly doubt that the move will save any type of significant money in the long run.

I'm not an expert on California politics or budgets, but my hunch is that the fiscal problems are not solely a result of spending, but are also impacted by not having enough taxPAYERS. Sure, there are many people in the state, but how many of them are paying their fair share.

Looking forward to hearing about Pat's experience at the Levon show in Chicago last night. Looks like a good set list posted over at Levon's site.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, I've been back in Pennsylvania since last October. I understand the "mechanical" concerns but I don't see them as anything close to insurmountable. For instance, every book I purchase for my Kindle is easily accessed not only from the Kindle itself but is backed up at Amazon. Change is not always comfortable or convenient. Technology, to me, says possibilities. Anyone recall how long it took to send a one page fax in 1980?

For the record, I'm no Schwarzenegger fan. California's governmental problems reach well beyond this issue. The primary cause of their problems has been a horrid national immigration policy. They are strapped, pure and simple. I don't care for the timing of this initiative nor it be being linked to the financial problems of the state. It deserves a more positive position on the cultural landscape.

As for private schools, I know of two very, very good ones within a few miles of here that have already embraced the technology and are integrating it into their systems. I would be willing to bet there are countless others and, in my opinion, they are wise to be doing so. Has anyone seen a recent pricelist for college texts?

Like I said earlier, I hope I am lucky enough to see where we are on issues like this one ten years from now. I think the last link I posted from the UK's TIMESONLINE article made some excellent points. Soundtracks for books? There are a lot of folks here who could carve out a very nice second career in that field. And if you don't care for the one that comes along with your book well hell, make one of your own!


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Back To The Future

Bob, I'm just having a little fun with you, hope you don't mind, after all it's not you making this decision, which of course is old by eastern standards, maybe the news just hasn't reached the west yet? What year is it out there anyway?

If you google Eastern Townships laptop education you'll get some idea of what we had as an E Education program, just don't believe what you read by Dennis McCullough the "visionary" who initiated the fiasco. McCullough and I had it out on the letters to the editor page in The Sherbrooke Record over 3 years. McCollough's now gone, mostly because of the lap top program and the $10,000,000 debt that the program left the school board.

Here's just a few pitfalls you can tell Arnie about before he terminates all the books.

Our school board gave every kid from grade 3 to seniors in high school a fancy new Apple I-Book. Cost, about $500.00 per unit( about the price of that new DX edition of the Kindle) with a three year repair warranty.

The kids loved them. Little boys, the 8 to 10 year olds found that they made wonderful shields in snowball fights as well as a great source of downloadable movies.

Older kids loved the ability to chat on line with their pals all over the school. It gave the teachers and administration a whole new area to police in their spare time.

The technology actually can work quite well in class and at home for taking notes and doing research and projects and the kids really get good at typing quickly.

BUT as Pee Wee says," There's always a big butt". Even the older students who looked after the machines had serious problems. My daughter's I Book crashed during her last week in high school taking her whole years' work, including her study notes for upcoming exams into the black hole where such material collects.

She wasn't the only one of course. Our boys' I books were always in the shop. Parents have to sign a form saying they'll pay to have the screen replaced or fixed since it wasn't covered in the warranty. That can cost a couple of hundred buckeroos.

Finally when the warranty expired so did many of the I Books. The cost to the schools to maintain a person on staff to do all the repairs was just too much.

Now the surviving I Books are limited to the older kids where the books had a better rate of survival.

Paper books are quietly making a return to many classrooms. The good news is that the books are all new and updated versions of the ones that were scrapped in the heady days of the arrival of The I Books.

Ironically, now the school board now only profits from the I Books by hustling them for Apple to other school boards. Last fall a school board in Denver paid for several "experts" from our board to fly to Denver for a weekend to give a presentation to members of their board on the massive benefits of E Education. The story was fodder for many locals to fill the "Letters To The Editor" page for another week, a year or so after it had died as a hot story here.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Shoot the messenger

The Terminator is not motivated by a desire to be an innovator in education, but rather to drastically slash funds for public education. The root of the problem is not with the use of books as a medium, but with the outrageous costs created by the textbook market. In recent years, textbook prices have risen 186%. If the companies that control the textbook market can demand such prices, what do you think they'll start charging to convert their products to electronic digital versions? Just my two cents.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Peter, it is the future. An inter-active reading experience doesn't have to be classified as yet. The numbers are all out there for everyone to see. The governor of California is not the trend setter here. This technology has been growing rapidly over several years. There are many writers embracing it. Your own country's schools are moving in this direction as well.

I embrace change and believe that current conditions will drive some of that change down good paths. No one seems to be complaining about our ability to have this discussion over thousands of miles and share it with guests from all over the planet. How can we discuss our PCs, our laptops, our e-readers, our multi-thousand CD collections, our i-phones, our MP3 players, our GPS and expect that the world of printed information will never change?

I say make it good and make it accessible to everyone. I believe both are completely feasible.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, Bob, it's called a movie, or a video game.

I heard Arnie had auditioned for a role in the remake of Fahrenheit 451, but didn’t get it because they wanted somebody who could speak English. Basically, one of the richest areas on the entire planet has been misgoverned to the extent that it can’t afford to fund its public schools because it’s broke. That’s because the powers that govern in it have failed to raise enough revenues to provide essential services. Education is an essential service. Children need to possess copies of books so they can review, work at their own pace etc. A comment on this initiative in today’s paper said:

“One reason the textbook has stood the test of time is because it actually does its job supremely well. If you’re a parent who has spent an evening on the computer with your child looking for a reliable account of Henry VIII that doesn’t feature a soft-porn Anne Boleyn in a red bustier, you’ll know how dire the alternative can be.”

It doesn’t matter to the likes of Arnie because his nearest and dearest won’t be anywhere near the public school system. And believe me, the elite private schools will continue to use books. That comes of a state electing not just one, but two third-rate ham actors to high office in recent years. It's only a bad actor who would dream f trying to pass it off as a green initiative. My son, by the way, is a California resident.

Next comes health. Phew! Next thing you know, I'll be joining Steve's politcal party!


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

And for the investors out there, check out the projections.

I can't help but think of the amazing possibilities for the next generation of writers and readers. Writers will be able to produce a multi-media experience to tell their stories using print, music and all levels of graphic display. The possibilities are endless.

Steve, I missed your question earlier. If digital text "kills" books the way TV killed movies evryone will be just fine. I've been on record concerning the e-readers and I think personal devices of this sort are clearly the future. The technology is moving rapidly with full color and audio capabilities growing by leaps and bounds.

If the fates permit I will be very curious to see where this has taken us in ten years time.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: New web site for Jonas Fjeld - FlashPlayer/ Nationality contra language

Always nice to put Mr. Hoiberg at nightschool :-))))

I visited this particular website but I was "welcomed" with this hysteric message: "Get FlashPlayer, GET FLASH PLAYER, GET FLASH PLAYER!!!" By all means I can get FlashPlayer but there are Open Source alternatives, too. Never mentioned on this website. Mr. Hoiberg must be aware that many of harmful codes are distributed with FlashPlayer.

Union Jack representing English language? It is VERY DANGEROUS to combine the language with states. In the 19th century the idea of nationality and the language was invented. The indepented state of Norway was born and Finland got the autonomy (under supervision of Russia). But language + state, NEVER! - At least there was not US flag.


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Posted by:

bob w.

As for the fate of companies who can't (or won't) react to change.....see General Motors.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Subject: Something Completely Different

A friend sent this link - it's kinda funny/stupid - a spoof on Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart.


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Posted by:

bob w.

It will eventually be all books. They are beginning the program at the high school level with science and math texts. It is a huge cost savings, a green initiative and a logical progression for the available technologies.

California is just the beginning.


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Posted by:

Steve

Yes, Bob, it's inevitable, digital text will replace books in much the same way TV has killed movies. What will they replace textbooks with? Laptops, kindles?


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Posted by:

Steve

Hoskyns, who listed some obviously NOT CANADIANS in his list of Canadians "who've looked at what makes the American imagination tick", maybe, is less than accurate in his book, therefore, maybe, Robbie didn't actually say some of the silly things about Le Grand Derangement that are attributed to him. David, clear yet?

Man, I'm going back to dissing old, J2RS, I get less flack.

At least no one has started shouting, Pee Wee, there is no basement in the Alamo, yet. I'm hoping Kevin gets here before that happens.

Kevin, in no way am I comparing you to, Pee Wee, but the earlier post was aimed at you. All will be revealed.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I heard Arnie's speech on BBC Radio 4 … he said "all books in all subjects" because he said explicitly textbooks are "too expensive for the State of California", which as we know ranks between Equatorial Guinea and Paraguay in per capita income. His critic, also Californian, immediately pointed out that the poor will suffer, and slower learners will suffer, and justified it at length. Publishers will get a shock. It's the USA's largest market. The other 49 states will benefit greatly, as California's stringent PC guidelines ruin most textbooks before they get published.


Entered at Wed Jun 10 03:24:30 CEST 2009 from (206.53.147.109)

Posted by:

David P.

Steve: I re-read your earlier, completely disjointed post dude. Without proper attribution or quotation marks, I still can't tell who said what, or what the hell was the point you were attempting to convey.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Line 4...... "have" should be "has".

That could turn up as an album title some day.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Ahhhhnold

While I disagree with Schwarzenegger's timing, the transition to digital text is inevitable. As I understand it they will begin with high school math and science books which seems to be a logical and safe place to begin. With California as home to thousands of computer technology companies it all seems pretty logical that this would come to pass. Having lived there the past five years I was frequently reminded that there have been a long list of "trends" that began there, migrated east and took root.

Personally, I believe literacy has a much better shot at survival because of digital technologies.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, come on J2RS hadn't been acquainted with Ian Tyson, Neil Young, or Gordo's music by 71. In 71 my buddies, Barry Kaye and David Glass, did a splendid rendition of The Canadian Railroad Trilogy in our high schools' talent show. Everyone in the audience was singing along during the chorus. J2RS knew it.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Fjeld site

I just checked out the Jonas Fjeld site (see What's New which you should all have bookmarked anyway). Check out the half hour doc on the trio. Fluency in Norwegian not necessary.

Let's Go Wings.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Shakin' Up North

Kevin J: The link above should take you to the page of the Bear Family Records site flogging a praiseworthy compilation of early Canuck rockers - most from the late '50s, with two, #21 and #30, going back to '56. Well worth ordering. Lenny Breau does a nice rockabilly lead on #5 - recorded not long before he recorded with Rick and Levon in Toronto.


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Posted by:

Steve

Claire, for a Band connection, Galbraith, was born in the neighboring county to that guy Rick Danko. That's a pretty nice connection, eh?


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Posted by:

SteveMy link

Subject: Shakin' Up North

Kevin J: The link above should take you to the page of the Bear Family Records site flogging a praiseworthy compilation of early Canuck rockers - most from the late '50s, with two, #21 and #30, going back to '56. Well worth ordering. Lenny Breau does a nice rockabilly lead on #5 - recorded not long before he recorded with Rick and Levon in Toronto.


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Posted by:

Steve

Claire, for a Band connection, Galbraith, was born in the neighboring county to that guy Rick Danko. That's a pretty nice connection, eh?


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Can't Anybody Read Anymore?

My goodness, can't you people read? I ended my post by saying maybe Robbie was misquoted considering who ended up on the list of Canadians, Letterman and Tomlin, for example. Come on dudes get with it .

Claire, Louis B Mayer was a Canadian citizen, he emigrated to Canada with his family as a young child from Russia and grew up in New Brunswick. Bellows was a Canadian as well, being born in or near Montreal. Galbraith grew up on a farm in southern Ontario. Not all the great Canadians turn out to be musician, we have so much more to offer.


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Posted by:

David P.

Web: My link

Subject: As the Crowes fly from Woodstock...

The Black Crowes recently recorded 20 tracks at Levon's studio, live before an audience of fans over five nights. The album "Before The Frost", including 11 of those tracks, along with a free download option for "Until The Freeze" which contains the other 9 tracks, will be released on September 1, 2009. A vinyl version, containing all 20 tracks, will also be available.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: they're all gone

Peter V: Let go. Books are so 20th-century. Like vinyl. Or literacy.


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Posted by:

Peter V

No, we are all Canadians. That is, there is a commonality among the (great) nations printed in pink upon maps of the world.

But what about this Swarzenegger guy banning textbooks? I knew he had to be a borderline moron, in that in thirty years in the USA he hasn't had enough sensitivity to the pronunciation of English to stop himself sounding like the Nazi officer in a bad B-movie, which is almost certainly where this book-banners inclinations lay in any case.

Anyway, Arnie has terminated BOOKS like ALL BOOKS in California schools.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Advice from the Big Pink ...

David P: Historically our approach has been to claim anyone who could find us on the map without assistance. That may be harder to do nowadays, what with 1) so many new countries and b) the decline of the British Empire. But in the old days all you had to do was look at the wall map at the front of the classroom and point to the Big Pink. Hey, d'ya think ...?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Kenny Rankin

Sorry to hear about Kenny Rankin. He did wonderful arrangements of songs by other people and made them his own, from John Sebastian to Jimi Hendrix. I saw him play in the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco fifteen years ago or so and he was great.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: ABBA-Benny Andersson Orchestra

Click the link (ABBA-Benny Andersson Orchestra) and arrange a competition at the kitchen table: "Who of these sixteen band members is Mr. Andersson?". Let the looser wash the dishes :-)


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Canadians??

Claire: I don't know what Hoskyns & Steve are talking about, as David Letterman is from Indianapolis and Lily Tomlin is from Detroit.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Careful - too much weewee baby and it's a pee, rather than a cee, cruise.


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Posted by:

Ilkka (again)

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Politics: Feminism

...on a serious side... especially for BROWN EYED GIRL: Former ABBA star Mr. BENNY ANDERSSON donated one million Swedish Crowns to Feminist Party for Europian Parliament election campaign last Sunday. One million crowns is TEN times a much as an average candidate usually receives from the supporters. Feminist Party got 3 per cent of the votes and did not get any mandate in the European Parliament.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Brown Eyed Girl: It was so nice to hear from you again. Hope everything is well with you. I'm not here too often, but do like to check in once-in-awhile so everyone knows I'm still around. I like reading the posts whether I post or not. NORBERT: How nice that you are having a great time in your new home. Bet Ayesha loves all the flowers too. I'm sure she loves helping in the garden. And lucky enough to grow your own fruit too? You really have it made, my friend.

Jan, maybe you should do something on this echo in your server, or maybe not.


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Posted by:

Claire

Subject: Grossly misquoted

"'I think it's precisely because we're outsiders that we're able to look at what makes the American imagination tick,' says Margo Timmins of Cowboy Junkies, a Toronto group whose songs reflect a preoccupation with the American South not unlike Robbie's."

Mr. Hoskyns then provides a list of eighteen or twenty Canadians who in his opinion are described in Ms. Timmins' quote. Among them are Louis B. Mayer, Saul Bellow, J.K. Galbraith, as well as David Letterman and Lily Tomlin.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Island

I'm finding the 50th Anniversary celebrations weird, as Universal have included many albums in the "50th anniversary of Island records" that never had the slightest connection to Island. Lionel Richie & The Commodores Greatest Hits is an example. Also the coffee table tome "Keep On Running" chooses Bob Marley, Amy Winehouse, Grace Jones and U2 for the front cover. U2 sold plenty of records and are major shareholders, Bob is the heart of Island. Grace Jones? To a designer her profile is irresistible. But Amy Winehouse? (Who joined ten years after Chris Blackwell departed). And no Stevie Winwood?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie Robertson

Steve: In fairness to Robbie, the times have really changed. As a kid growing up in the 70’s, we turned on the radio and heard The Guess Who, Gordon Lightfoot, Ann Murray, Neil Young, Ian & Sylvia, Rush, Michel Pagliaro, Joni Mitchell….Leonard Cohen was actually studied as part of English classes in High School……………Contrast that to the 50’s when Robbie was growing up and when he held that radio in bed at night all he was doing was trying to pick up those big US stations that played Blues and early Rock n Roll….When asked at 25 or how ever old he was in 1971 as to Canadian music…his answer seemed quite reasonable….more importantly, he got off his ass and actually help make music that kids growing up in Canada can now look back on with some pride. I can’t count the number of times in many scattered parts of the world someone will say to me – “Oh you’re from Canada….love Joni Mitchell” Imagine being Swedish and having to answer for Abba the rest of your life or from Norway and A-Ha is the only thing people know!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Kenny Rankin

Rankin was a native New Yorker, and had a very unique and identifiable voice and style. He Was a favorite of Pete Fornatale and other WNEW DJs back in the 70s. He performed frequently here in NY, and even the last decade , i remember seeing his performancess advertised here.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Kokoon Arts Gallery extends Dylan & The Band exhibit & is on "facebook."

Love the Scheele bros. Great guys w/ a lot of cool Dylan & The Band stuff.


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Posted by:

David P.

JQ: I don't think Kenny Rankin actually had a big hit himself, but others such as Stephen Bishop and Helen Reddy charted with covers of his songs. However, he had one big important fan, Johnny Carson, who gave him a lot of exposure on the Tonight Show. That's how I first became aware of his talents. In addition to his gifts as a singer & songwriter, he was a fine guitarist also and was featured on Dylan's "Bringing It All Back Home" album.

Jeff: I still haven't seen any reviews here of Levon's performance with John Prine last Saturday night at Chastain Ampitheatre in Atlanta. The newspaper here, like many across the country, seems to have cut back on reporters & coverage. Unfortunately, I couldn't attend the concert myself, as I had a gig myself in Duluth that night.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Cleveland.com review of the Scheele bros.' Dylan & The Band exhibit.


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Posted by:

Friend0

No internet available media coverage, and other than the staff posting the set list, no LHS Guestbook coverage of Levon's Atlanta show. Kinda odd.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Kenny Rankin

Tough news. I saw him a couple times in the 70's and I thought he was a talented writer, singer & player. Maybe in the Dave Mathews vein, but less band, more solo orientated? David P - did he have a hit record? I lost track altogether after that era though. I wonder how Lee Michaels & John Klemmer (sp?) are getting along these days?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Koko Taylor: RIP

Obit from the Sydney Morning Herlad (via the Guardian, or NYT)


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Posted by:

Steve

OK, before Bill wakes up and makes the change, let me do it. To maintain the French flavour of Acadian Driftwood/Walking To New Orleans/Sea Cruise, Rick should be singing, " Ouuu, ouu Oui, baby, Ouuu, ouu Oui, Baby, won't you let me take you on a sea cruise.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: J2RS as Historian

I was browsing through the "Notes" section in my 2003 revised edition of Across T G D and came across these notable notes; J2RS, on what really happened to the Acadians: "After the battle between Wolfe and Montcalm on the Plains of Abraham in 1759, it was put to the Acadian people that they had to swear allegiance to the British or give up their land. So some of them of them went back to France, some went to the French Islands in The Caribbean, and some crossed the border and went down to Louisiana. The ones who went to Louisiana became the Cajuns and the ones who stayed became Canada's outcasts."

Jeez, sounds like the Acadians were offered a Caribbean cruise or an all expenses paid trip to France.

" Some crossed the border and went to Louisiana"; Thank god, Bobby Charles, had already used the title, or track #4 on Northern Lights, Southern Cross might be listed as , Walking To New Orleans. Or possibly we could have had Rick playing the part of, Governor Charles Lawrence, singing to the Acadians," oowee, oowee baby, ooweee, oowee baby, won't you let me take you on a sea cruise!"

J2RS is also quoted in the notes from a 71 interview saying that" except for the odd jig or reel, there is no Canadian music , hardly-- no music you can say, Oh, that's "Canadian" about.

There was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run.... There is a town in North Ontario... Think I'll go out to Alberta, weather's good there in the fall. But to be fair to old J2RS , listed in the line up of "Canadians who've looked at what makes the American imagination tick" are those "Canadian sleeper cell members" David Letterman and Lily Tomlin.So maybe he was grossly misquoted. We can only hope.


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

LINK: Kenny Rankin dead at 69. May he RIP. I don't know this man, but he seems to be one great musician.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

That should be "Festival". Should be a goodie for anyone lucky enough to be there. xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: LEVON & Grateful Dead,etc\n

LINK: Info on the up coming "Gathering Of the VIbes" concert. Scroll down and read about LEVON appearing. CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

How about that kid; David Alvarez from Montreal winning a Tony for "Billy Elliot"? Cute as a button too.

Dave Letterman's music guests this week...

Mon. 8th: Mos Def

Tues. 9th: Blackeyed Peas

Wed. 10th; Sonic Youth

Thurs. 11th: Jonas Bros. [Faves of mine]

Fri. 12th; P.J.Harvey w/ John Parish

CTV Fri. Elvis Costello's guest will be LOU REED

BEG: It was so nice to hear from you again. Hope everything is well with you. I'm not here too often, but do like to check in once-in-awhile so everyone knows I'm still around. I like reading the posts whether I post or not.

Thanx so much for the photo of ROBBIE. Should fit on my new monitor well. So nice to see/hear ROBBIE singing "Unbound" A great song.

NORM: How nice that you are having a great time in your new home. Bet Susan loves all the flowers too. I'm sure she loves helping in the garden. And lucky enough to grow your own fruit too? You really have it made, my friend.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

Just be well and stop by once in a while if you can.


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Posted by:

Pat B

BJ Wilson had played in the Paramounts, a pre Procol Harum group that included Gary Brooker and Robn Trower. After Brooker saw Dylan at RAH (among many things) he decided to go with an organ/piano setup. The original PH had drummer Bobby Harrison and guitarist Ray Royer, along with Matthew Fisher on organ and David Knights on bass, but producer Denny Cordell replaced Harrison with a drummer named Bill Ayden (sp.?) for AWSoP. There's always been a question whether Ray Royer played on the song because no one can hear guitar on it. But there is a version with the original group that floated around on boots and was finally released on a comp of their first four albums with outtakes.

Matthew Fisher once said that they re-recorded the whole first album with Wilson and Trower but recorded evidence exists of only three or four Royer/Harrison versions. But whether they fit the "all still alive" mold is moot since Ayden died a while ago.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi back dlew 919 and Deeeee! Before life became very difficult I found this rather large photo....

Many thanks to those who hoped I was well. Very difficult time but I'm hoping things will get better by the summer.

In anycase, I posted the "Unbound" video by Robbie because I first saw it on MMM when the record came out and it was the first time I saw it on Youtube. I don't have the time anymore to be a Band Link detective like I used to. If I find anymore links that I haven't previously posted; I will share when I can.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: well done everyone

I was thinking cream and fleetwood mac, but all the others as well. Poor job on mojo's part


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Posted by:

Steve

David, technically Wilson wasn't an original member, according to picky weedy-a he joined after, A Whiter Shade Of Pale, but I guess for argument sake he was the first full-time drummer. Hey Dlew, which bands did you have in mind before you asked the question?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Hoots Mon!

I very much doubt that even half of Lord Rockingham's XI are still with us, but their seminal recording of Hoots Mon! was reissued a few years ago on vinyl as part of a promotion for Maynards Wine Gums. Apparently they featured in an advert. Personally, I blame my taste for alcoholic beverages on Maynards Wine Gums.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

If anybody here has the latest on a new vinyl release from Lord Rockingham XI – I am packing up and heading for the hills!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

All the members of Yes are still alive.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: British Bands with more than 5 members

The Pipes and Drums and Military Band of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards had a number one hit in 1972 with"Amazing Grace". There were more than five of them. Let alone …

Geno Washington & The Ram Jam Band, Lord Rockingham's XI (there were thirteen of them), Cliff Bennett & The Rebel Rousers, Steampacket, The Alan Bown Set … there were dozens, especially circa 1966 when horn sections were popular in a major way.


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Posted by:

David P.

Steve: Sadly, Procol Harum's great drummer B.J. Wilson died in 1990.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Woodstock

I saw on the weekend that one of David Carridine’s rules to live by was to “never buy anything from somebody who is out of breath”…….I liked that one.

Just my take but I would think that The Band will get a lot more mentions in articles/reviews of that Woodstock 40th anniversary thing by choosing not to be included than if they had granted permission. Besides, did Sebastian not mention some weeks back that something was cooking independently on a release of this material?

I thought that the observations on “the speech” outlined in this GB were far superior to anything I heard on TV this weekend…..A bit like Egypt here though…….we can sing a little….just no dancing past midnight!!!


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Posted by:

Steve

Does Procol Harum count as a major British band? I believe the original members are still alive and kicking.

True, Bill, but I still like the odds. Are there any large Brit bands( more than 5 members) that are still on this earth. Better question; Were there any Brit bands with more than 5 members?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Rich P: Where are they gonna put polka? Likely in the dumpster - the one with the accordion atop a broken banjo.


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Posted by:

Rich P

Subject: Living On Polka Time

Hey Bill!

Re: The big polka disappointment. I’m sort of intrigued by Jimmy Sturr’s question… “What category are they going to put us in?”


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: A fat lot of good that same law of averages did the Jimi Hendrix Experience!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Young Rascals, Steely Dan.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: British bands

I believe that the original members, (and possibly all of the members from various incarnations) of Fleetwood Mac are still with us, even with all of the line-up changes over the years.


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Posted by:

Roger

Subject: Brit gps original members still with us

The Hollies


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: "The Beards" blog.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Manfred Mann? Cream? Spencer Davis Group?


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Posted by:

Steve

Dlew, Cream, but the law of averages have helped them.

When its is said the Band turned down the inclusion of their performance at Woodstock, who exactly gets to make that decision?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Hi BEG, and a bigger hi Rich P! With our previous discussion about Walter Ostenak in mind, I was going to ask you what you though about th Grammys dumping the polka category, but figured you were Netless in Khazakhstan (sp?) or something ...


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: extra points for Bob W...

That's not who I was thinking of... but I believe it to be correct! (And darn it, I should hae though of that)


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Posted by:

bob w.

dlew, not certain but I believe the original lineup from Jethro Tull is still with us?


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Posted by:

David P.

dlew919: My guess would be (2). Several performances have appeared on official releases in the past. "Long Black Veil", "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever" and "The Weight" were included on the Woodstock 25th Anniversary CD box set. The Band also included "Ain't No More Cane on the Brazos" on "Across The Great Divide".


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Posted by:

And another unrelated question

Subject: In the Mojo with Leonard Cohen on hte cover...

they describe the Kinks as the Last Major British 60s band wih the original lineup still all alive. I did some thinking, and I can think of one other major act in which this is the case (and possibly two...) Answers please... (bonus points if you give me ones I haven't thought of...)


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: thanks David P.

Why? It seems to me there are at least three credible reasons

1) the performance is substandard in some way - Woodstock was notorious for bad sound, et cetera...
2) the cash offered for the rights is not right - they've offered not enough
3)Certain other rights (covers, publsihing) can't be met

4) Soemthing else. Any ideas? David? Peter? Bill? Jeff? Anyone?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Woodstock M.I.A.

More bad news -- NO performances by The Band will be included on the upcoming Rhino 6-CD "Woodstock 40 Years On: Back To Yasgur's Farm" box set. In a Billboard report, Rhino VP of A&R Cheryl Pawelski stated that The Band, along with Ten Years After and Keef Hartley, were the only acts who opted not to grant permission for use of their performances. Band fans may recall that Ms. Pawelski worked on The Band's Capitol reissues a few years back.


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Posted by:

Rich Patterson

Hey Brown Eyed Girl!

Nice to drop in out of the blue and meet you here. Hope all is well.

Pat: Thanks for the heads up on Hold Steady. Will seek out their cover of 'Crawl Out Your Window'. Can't say I really enjoyed 'I'm Not There'. Perhaps I should have paid more attention to the soundtrack.

Leonard Cohen's Live in London getting heavy rotation right now.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Norm ...

I want a cd.

HI BEG! HI DEE!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Woodstock movie remaster

I'd wondered about Band footage among the additional two hours, especially as Barny Hoskyns did a long review of the reissue and didn't mention The Band anywhere. I was surprised as "The Weight" from Woodstock is pretty widely recirculated in "Woodstock: The Lost Sessions" video. A DVD copy was even given free with a British magazine a few years back. So is even that missing?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Capers.

Cnadel (cnadloch)free link. Capers though.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Well, David P.? We're waiting. Yay or Nay?


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: gas grills

It took me FIVE HOURS to assemble a gas grill. Never did find the gaskets for the handle. Anyway, it's all done. I've steamed, shelled and sauteed a couple lobsters. The missus prefers I do my shellfish outside.

Music to Assemble a Grill By: Stevie Wonder, Bob Marley, Toots & the Maytals & Dylan's 'Saved'. All repeated. FIVE HOURS.

I'm getting down to the nether regions of Dylan's catalogue. 'Saved' is a whole lot more fun than 'Slow Train Coming', the 'Knopfler' album that preceded it. Bob does gospel music with a fervor. He's living it, totally immersed in it. Only took me twenty five years to discover it.

We're still looking for a headliner for our Celtic Night at the Lodge this summer. The whole U2 thing fell through. Some people just can't commit. We can go two and a half with perhaps a cut of the bar sales. Scott Goudie, of course, is headlining our Blues Night.


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Posted by:

Friend0

lee,. i just went my second time,. 16500, or 16550, missed 69 out of 127. So, sunk 58 out of 127. Guess i needed to take more shots.

Souns like you guys are there performing. But no guitar? Are you playing keys, praytell?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Band Still Missing from "Woodstock"

Today's NEW YORK TIMES had a short piece about the new extended version of "Woodstock" containing extra footage, mentioning The Band as among the acts whose performance at that 1969 festival is still missing from the movie. So it goes...


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, hombres

Subject: Jeff's game

Jeff,

The hilarity of dunking Matzoh balls while sitting in a hotel room in Mexico is too much! You made my day. Especially as I have been trying to tune my ears to Espanol, and at one point thought it said "Madre Dios!". BTW 30941, 59 for 145. (Not to brag.)

"She was born in Monterrey, All the Christmas songs were sung..." 14 day trip, no guitar. Bye-bye callouses. 8 am flight Saturday morn, after playing our first gig Friday night. Even with the pub two blocks from home, a late night for an old man. Went well as one could hope for a bunch of amateurs. Dance song of the night: Iko Iko, sung by moi, taught to band at practice the night before, kicked off at a ridiculous tempo by our drummer, stopped, restarted, and brought the bums* off the seats for the first time all night. And in the Bourbon St. Grille, what could be more appropriate? Band songs = Cripple Creek and The Weight, half a point for Mystery Train (a la Elvis) and All Along the Watchtower a la "let's-take-out-a-couple-miles-o-guardrail" Wake of the Flood style. (Thank you Shawn Colvin!) Splendid time was had by all. Mrs. lee even stayed up for the whole thing! It oughta be illegal to have that much fun!

* nod to Peter V. Love to all my hombres...and hombrettes.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

i just played it the first time. Got 14,900.


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Posted by:

Mike

Correction from last night's Atlanta shows. Actually, only a few of Levon's band (excluding Levon & a number of others) joined "Little Feat" last night following Levon's show.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Cabbage Patch Doll

Hi ya' Brown Eyes! Good to hear from you again girl. You look fresh as a new Magnolia blossom. Hope things are well with you.

Hi Dee. If you've got a new desk and computer, that means you're making way too much money.

Steve all I can tell you is, we finished all the work on the CD. Then Eddy called me when he was supposed to take it to the lab where it was going to be mastered. He said he just bought a new machine for mastering and wanted to do it himself. I've been so busy, I haven't heard from him since. You've waited this long, so another month or so shouldn't make any difference. That's what Eddy has been saying for eons now, (what in fuck is an eon anyway). Now get off my back!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Dee

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: The Return

Welcome Back BEG!!!!!

And with a new Robbie video! Will save it to watch/listen when I figure out why the sound isn't working since putting up the new desk yesterday. The "tower" is below the desk top....not an easy task.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: The Big Wait.................

Westy, unless you get that first CD finished and released it's only a question of time before security at Fast Eddy Studios will be compromised and bootlegs will start showing up on line. All this effort to create a buzz for the last five years will be a wasted marketing scheme. Admiral Bob, Ret., will have to revise his market survey estimates downward from possibly dozens to......well, less than dozens.

Admiral Bob Ret., no doubt has put out feelers to gauge the appetite for a followup release of The Wait. Maybe an album of original work, songs about the 1950's, written between 2010 and 2020 and released some time after 2030. Is that time line is too daunting?

The pressure to produce an equally successful sophomore album is tremendous. The successful sophomore release is what separates the good ones from the greats. Of course if the first album is not released til 2015 then the time lines for the sophomore release fall by the wayside. Hope this is helpful.


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Posted by:

Mike

Levon & gang joined "Little Feat" in Atlanta last night.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Heeeee !... Bown Eyed Girl .... welcome back! xxx


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Posted by:

fdlew919

Carradine started as a music student, before 'discovering' acting - ('discovering' in quotes because his father was the great John Carradine...)


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

I just opened the GB and I was delighted to see your post. Welcome back! It is so good to see you again. I hope all is well. I was concerned.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

With eyes of fire
No one can see
The smoke from the sweet grass
Covers me

Finally on Youtube..."Unbound" by Robbie

Hi Bill M...I see Magnolia trees everywhere in the west end of Toronto....maybe in Cabbagetown too but Riverdale where Robbie lived in '59?....don't know.

Hellooo also to Norbert, Northern Boy, Joan, Westcoaster, Serenity, Rich Patterson, Sebastian, Tracy, Pat B, Peter V,...and as Louuu would say, "and to all the kidzzz".

:-D


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Trees

I was sitting in my tree tonight at dusk, gnats hovering all over but I had DEET on my clothes so it was alright. I was looking at all of the trees all over the place, and for some reason all I could feel was guilt.


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Posted by:

Friend0

I have no magnolia trees.


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Posted by:

Friend0

JJ Cale wrote a great song titled Magnolia. Poco did a gorgeous cover of it on Crazy Eyes, Paul Cotton taking the vocal. Both Paul and Rusty Young have Norman for their actual first names.


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Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: Jimi does Dylan

Is anyone aware of articles/interviews where Jimi Hendrix speaks to his fondness for singing/playing Dylan songs? Isn't it fascinating that this guitar god was such a big fan of Dylan's writing? How many of Bob's tunes did Jimi cover?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Magnolia is attracting interest in treating peridontal disease.

I have two large Magnolia grandiflora, whose flowers give their name to the cream hue of paint so popular in this country. I also have a Magnolia Soulangeana which is the light pinky / purple one. That's nothing like the paint.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: "Plochmann Lane" now on "Midomi."


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Magnolia & Magnolia

Peter: There are two kinds and two different colours of magnolia. There is Star magnolia, (which is what I have) and Saucer magnolia, which is what my neigbour has.

Mine is an almost white blossom, and blooms very early. Very beautiful, but doesn't last too long. When the blossom is gone, what is left look like tiny cucumbers.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Randy & David

According to Randy, David Carradine and Randy's band "worked together" for the last three years.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: "Plochmann Lane" now on "Plaxo."


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Seconding Joan: Empty Now!

Stop mucking around, and come back!


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Posted by:

Pat B

The Hold Steady did a cover for Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window which is on the soundtrack to I'm Not There.


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Posted by:

Richard Patterson

Subject: The Hold Steady

I'm sure somebody has already spotted this, but I thought I'd point out a Band reference I just noticed on The Hold Steady's new live album. From a song called "The Swish"... She said, "My name is Rick Danko but people call me one-hour photo. I've got some hazardous chemicals. Drive around to the window" She said "My name is Robbie Robertson but people call me Robo" I blew red white and blue right into a tissue. I came right over the counter just to kiss you" Album is called "A Positive Rage". Well worth a listen.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Related to magnolias

Thanks, David. I didn't know that. But now I've googled and was pleased to see pictures of Mississippi which matched the images generated in my mind from listening to the song. However, may the song be set in Louisianna?

Thanks Jeff. Enjoyed your post. Never seen one, but I'm going to one day. Big crop in Mississippi, bigger than rice.

Westcoaster. I liked the front gardens I saw in Canada, The gardens down at Richard's seat in Stratford are beautiful. Never been to Shetlands, yet, but have been to the Orkneys, which are very interesting.

Peter:Enjoyed reading your article again. Thanks. On a serious note, I think the part in the song related to the Magnolia trees is very important. Being a non musician, it's hard for me to express what is happening musically at this point (help somebody), but I think the change of pace at this point gives us thinking time, a time for reflection. It's also a song where the drumming is exceptional. I think the lyrics are great throughout the song.

Thanks everybody.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Magnolia

In a survey of home decorating choices, magnolia proved the best-selling paint for decorating interior walls in the UK. Magnolia is also the recommended colour by Real Estate Agents for people doing up their homes in order to sell.

Contrary to popular belief, this paint is not made from the leaves of magnolia trees.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Steel Magnolias

Hi ya Lars; Yeah sorry, now I remember, it was you! How goes it ol' son?

Dunc! My new home here in Powell River has a beautiful Magnolia tree, the old gal next door has one also. This neighbourhood is the damnest place for the most beautiful gardens, and with out exception everyone keeps them in top condition.

My backyard is in full bloom. Many flowers I know, and some I don't. It keeps you busy, and as well, I have two apple trees, a cherry tree and a plumtree that are loaded with fruit. As well there are rasp berries, logan berries, boysenberries, strawberries, blue berries, and rhubarb. I just finished stewing a big pot of rhubarb, and putting it in containers in the freezer. Great on toast.

Sounds like you are enjoying some good shows in your space. I envey you, always wanted to see the Shetland Islands.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Ever seen a corn field after harvest, dunc? When I moved to St louis in 97, Creve Coeur Lake Park was about a ten minute ride from where I lived the first year. And about a 20 minute ride from where I lived the second, third year, and fourth. Later, back to the first area . And I lived in those two area whenever i was in st louis.\

It is a huge park and lake, One section still had a large farm opposite the lake. You'd cross the road, then there was a grass and treed area, real big. Just a hanging out area, walking, playng ball, picnicking. People brought their dogs there. (Now it is unchanged, but a frisbee golf area.) Then there was a flying club field, those model motorize4d planes. They hardly used their field. Past them was the cornfield.

After harvest time I'd bring Smokey and Bandit there real early evry morning. They were still young dogs, no more than 2 years and 3 months old when we hit St Louis in Aug 97.Anyway, they went nuts in those cornfields. Had a ball They'd run and pickup the left over stalks and go running all over the place. Get covered in the almost black loam and often mud. I'd pick up stalks and/ or cobs and throw em far as I could, they'd go chasing for em. Often they'd play tug of war with each other or me. Chasing this away and that.Fighting over those corn cobs. Gettign flithy dirty. Would take me ten minutes to clean em up before I'd put em back in the car to go home.

Corn fields always brings to mind two things, King Harvest, and Smokey and Bandit having a ball in those cornfields every morning. Went on for years.

A while back a big quarry / contracting company bought out the farm, and put in a golf course. It sucks.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The moistened woods which wesounds with "Weeee-lease..WA-GAH!!!"

Subject: David Carradine

NORM!!!!

Avast. That was I who mentioned David Carradine was an amateur musician. I'm still only 99% sure that Randy Ciarlante and his band played at David's NY retreat. Reportedly David sat in. He has some YouTube videos you can look up. At any rate, it's too bad David had to leave early.

Looks like a lot of politics today, capped off by The American President. I guess The Band's newsworthiness is a bit thin, but there are still many different perspectives to take. For example, anybody who has ever listened to "Open the Door, Homer" will immediately be struck by the absense of "Homer." Sounds like "Richard." Also, anybody who listens to Levon sing "The Weight" at one of his Rambles will probably admit that Levon has made a few changes to the lyrics over the years. And often everybody is singing the chorus as a harmony, there's no strong southern voice holding onto the melody. When Rick played "Blind Willie McTell" at his shows in the 90s, he often got the audience to hum a little prelude ("Da da da DAH da DAH....") before he would start the song. Even amatuers like myself openly questioned the engineer behind the glass when we were recording,

"It...it doesn't make any fuckin sense, 'Ain't no more cane on the rah-bahs.' Let's go with "horizon."
"That's three syallables," said the guy through the speakers.
"Alright then..."riii-zon," I offered.
"It's your money."

And so we simply changed it. I think Band music, especially when played in a bar scene, is open to interpretation. Whenever our band does "Knockin On Heaven's Door" we always look around to Gary, our leader, as to what he wants to do after everybody's played their instrument on our "bridge." I look at Gary, lean towards him and ask "Survivor's Guilt?" If he nods, I wait for my opening and go with:

"Mama wash the blood from my hands.
I called the shots....nothing more.
Never in my life have I felt so damned.
Feel I'm knock-en on heaven's doe."

So as the years roll on and the people change, the songs change with them. And in the end Robbie shakes his head and says, "Ah...it's not like it used to be."


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Posted by:

David P.

Dunc: Mississippi is known as the "Magnolia State", as the magnolia is both the official state flower & tree.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Magnolia trees

Thanks everybody.

I always thought it was the Mississippi Delta. Peter's article suggests this, but he doesn't mention the Magnolia trees. I think of rice ready to be harvested. There's corn on the cob fields next to the rice, giving way to less cultivated fields full of Magnolia trees. The WS Walcott Medicine Show are playing tonight and the warm Autumnal sunshine is great.

So where is this?

Great telly night tonight. Three hours dedicated to Islands Records.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Bound For Glory

Just looking in the first time in a while, to see what comments regarding David Carradine. I notice some one mentioned about playing music at his place, wondering if he played.

Well shit, he played Woody Guthrie in "Bound For Glory". Him and Keith both played. Keith had a record, I can't remember the name of it now.


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien I have to say you summed it up well. The one factor that has to be kept in mind is that Iran is not just the idiot President or the ayatollahs. It is a country with a very young and educated population that I think will be receptive if treated with the respect any country deserves. It's not that long ago that Iranians took back control of their own country. I think they'll sort things out if given a chance.

As far as having nukes goes, it's a heavily armed, dangerous part of the world. No one wants to be the only one holding a knife in a gun fight. Hopefully, as Obama has stated, everyone will be nuke free someday but til then they're a reality.


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Posted by:

jh

ahem.... could we please move the political discussions to a more suited debate forum? Thanks.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Steve - to your question before on what steps.., One - honor the timeline for Iraq. Two - make legitimate dialoge with Iran (as per Obama's plan not mine) see what is there. He's talked this road now go down it. Will Iran respond to this or will it all be bluster and turn out they have no desire for real peace? Let's see. Obama must make Israel take action on a Palestinian state. I believe Obama has the upper hand here. In the past the Jewish vote was a major factor for Democrats. Obama has so many other wings going for him - minorities and independants that the Jewish vote, though important is not as critical - their money may be but again Obama has his charisma and bargaining chips at such a high point that it works for him. Israel may actually have to work with us rather than we with them.

Now this isn't an anti-Israel stance so much as a wakeup call of sorts. The hatred towards Israel and its citizens has gone on now for 60 years and all the "support Israel at all costs" stances have failed to bring any kind of legitimate peace. Let's face it - the hate is their for a reason. Prior to Hitler there was less than 2% Jews in Palestine. At America's entry into WWII less than 5%. Then within a few years, there was no Palestine which had existed for roughly 1,900 years prior. It's people were kicked out of their homes, little to no compensation given and sent off to settlements/camps where no one then gave two bits about their plight. America, England and France sat by and did nothing. Well you can see why the hatred runs deep and suspicious - boy did I paint that with a wide brush. Israel has to move on this.., it's going to suck for them.., but maybe some sucking now will actually be good in the long run. I don't know. I have no issues with this path as the other paths have all been dead ends.

And we also have to define once and for all the Afghanistan goal. It cannot come off as nation building. I also don't believe we can dictate a nations governing style. We can try and persuade and talk but we cannot do again what we have done in Iraq. Even if we took out Iran, we cannot nation build. It was nice rhetoric by Obama and I believe in his belief about Democracy in spirit - not his quasi european socialistic leanings.

But what happens should we make good on many of our first steps.., what happens, what course of action is then taken if the lead is not followed? I don't know, but I'll give credit for the bold and new initiative. I know lots of conservatives who hate this move by Obama and I think they are fools - for they hate change of any kind and if you can't be willing to change from time to time you might as well go off and become insignificant.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: If I'm not mistaken, a close cousin of honokiol (from the magnolia tree as you say) is pinokiol (from the pine tree obviously), which is used in some older types of lie detectors.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

sadavid, for some reason this came to mind.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: ou sont les fleurs d'antan?

David P: No argument, but I presume the flowers would be gone by the time the carnival set up on the edge of town. Maybe it's the bark ("bark" doesn't rhyme with "trees" any better than "blossoms" does, but Uncle Wiki describes the bark as "aromatic"):

"The aromatic bark contains magnolol and honokiol, two polyphenolic compounds that have demonstrated anti-anxiety and anti-angiogenic properties. Magnolia bark also has been shown to reduce allergic and asthmatic reactions."

Also prevents tooth decay.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dunc: I should have added that I too think that that is one of our guys' most beautiful and evocative tunes. By itself though, the magnolia line says "Seals and Croft" to me more than it says "the Band". As a whole, the song is near-desperate Northern versus sung by a northerner, with a soothing Southern chorus crooned by a southerner.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Poetic License

I could be wrong, but I believe the magnolia's strong fragrance is from the blossoms, not the leaves.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Dunc / Magnolias

I live on the north shore of Long Island (just outside New York City) We have a lot of magnolias around. No open fields however, we are too "suburban". This year, our magnolias bloomed and lasted. For a number of previous years, the beautiful magnolias would bloom and then get hit by a frost, thus cutting short their display.

The link is to The Dead's "Sugar Magnolia"


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bill M

Thanks Bill M. Magnolia trees are popular here, but you need quite a big garden. I have been a bit fascinated by them. Maybe it was the song that led to the fascination, but I'm not sure. I have one of the smallest varieties in my garden. Nearly finished, STEVE. Hope Angus is well?

I was across at one of the Scottish islands, Arran (Hopefully you'll get there one day BOB W) on Saturday and visited the castle's gardens where the magnolia trees were beautiful and of course not native. The flowers are magnificent. I thought it would be great to see a whole meadow of these trees and wondered if this happened some places on the American content.

As we've discussed(often) it's a great song. Isn't it?

Thanks Bill.


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Posted by:

Steve

Just read the speech and despite its obvious glossing over of some serious problems which is understandable it was a moving speech and hit all the points it had to. For me the best part and the momnet that brought the reality of the Islamic client state to the fore was when Obama was talking about leaders living up to the values of true democracy; that countries have to be open to everyone's ideas, that people have the right to speak their mind, have confidence in the rule of law, equal justice. Gov'ts that protect these rights are more stable , successful and secure. You have to be a democrat when in power as well as out of power. You must maintain your power through consent not coercion...... It's at this moment that someone in the crowd shouts," Barack Obama, WE LOVE YOU!

That moment was beautiful for so many reasons. Obama, standing on a stage in front of thousands in a country that would jail and torture anyone else who said those words out loud is hailed for saying what most Egyptians feel. I don't think it was a coincidence that that was the only moment that was recorded of someone shouting , Obama we love you!

Hopefully he'll be invited to speak in Israel sometime soon.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Richard Manuel doc "facebook" page.


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Posted by:

Deb

Charlie, well said. Then there are all those wonderful Cajun, zyedco, and Tejano accordion players, as well.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: the speech

Steve - It's pretty big already. I don't recall a time when POTUS challenged Israel, ever. Ours has always been a knee-jerk support; deep in action/consequences & shallow in its development. I think it's a fast step forward and I also believe it's already, right now, become a small reason to lesson 1 of Al Qeada's biggest rationales for terror.

We're seeing a genuinely positive moment due to Prez Obama and I understand the fear that the number of people that wish him harm is fast-growing - I don't pray (does it ever work?) but I might just give it a go now, no harm, eh?


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Poking at Polka

Fred: I haven't watched more than clips of a Grammy Awards show in years, but I'd say polka qualifies as MUSIC a lot more than rap does. So it goes. I think Jimmy Sturr won that category every year anyway.

It's more accordian discrimination, spurred on by the endless stream of jokes about that misunderstood instrument. Personally, I wouldn't trade one ten second Garth Hudson accordian solo for the entire content of a typical Grammy show.


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien what would you say are the steps the Islamic\Arab world should take that would show they are following up on Obama's opening. And what would you say are the openings Obama made that are "new", and not just what has been the mandatory rhetoric that began with Jimmy Carter.

Was Obama just trying to undo the last 8 years of Bush \Cheney damage or was there something new that was promised. Was there anything substantial promised?

I'd like to read the speech but it would take too long at the moment. Maybe tonight.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: magnolias / Robbie and Hip share soundtrack ...

Dunc: In case Sebastian doesn't get back to you with an answer from his father, you might keep in mind that magnolia trees are not an uncommon sight in Toronto front yards. Maybe they were back in Robbie's younger days in leafy Riverdale. Perhaps BEG, if lurking, can scout out the neighbourhood for us.

The link above is to a review of a new documentary about the Great Lakes, "Waterlife: Water Torture" that is said to include songs by Robbie Robertson, Eno and Sam Roberts in the soundtrack - and Gord Downie of the Tragically Hip on screen. (Spouting poetry, but not beating up someone this time.)


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I read the text of the speech and it indeed was well crafted. And as a speaker Obama has no peers in this generation at this time. As has been said, action speakes louder than words but sometimes the inspiration has to come through rhetoric and oratory first. With inspiration in hand, the real work can then commence. Obama can certainly provide the first, let's hope he and others in power can produce the latter. A solid step forward I think. But I caution that even though the Arab world looks to us to lead in these first few steps, if they aren't willing to follow in that lead, then the dance will truly come to a miserable end. I raise my glass with a jubilant smile and cautious optimism and the hope that we can all move forward together peacefully.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic countries

Subject: Sons of Abraham / Obama

I took my time to watch the speech live on BBC TV. I second "Joan" and Mr. Wigo. The speech made sense. I recommend it to "Steve", too. And listen to what he says about Arabic influence here in Europe (Spain).


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

An awful lot of commentary, Steve, for someone who closes by admitting he hasn't heard or read the entire speech. I linked it yesterday for your convenience. You know how the links work, right?

To assist you with the technological challenges of reading the text posted previously here's a link that will provide video of the speech. And it works.


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Posted by:

Steve

Joan, you're right it would be interesting to get Empty's take on the speech, being a member of one of the groups the speech was aimed at. I didn't hear the whole speech just the high-lites but I don't put much weight on speeches, actions of course speak much louder than words.

I saw the reaction by members of another of the speech's targets.

CBC radio spoke to a group of Israeli settlers, the ones building those illegal settlements. They were calling Obama a radical Islamic terrorist, someone who has nothing to say about what they do.

While Obama's speech was given in an Islamic country it was aimed as much at Israel as the Islamic world. The Israeli\American dynamic is going to be where we see if Obama is going to fish or cut bait.

Avigdor Lieberman, Israel's anti-Arab, foreign minister, told a Russian newspaper a couple of weeks ago that there's no problem, the US will do what Israel wants. It always does.

Interestingly, the traditional first foreign visit for an Israeli Foreign Minister is to Washington but so far Lieberman has been persona non grata, at least that's the way an Israeli journalist in Washington described the situation last night.

But of course it was just a speech, and Obama has what it takes to make a brilliant speech. He's magnetic, charming, charismatic and very persuasive.

Now that he's made the talk lets see if he does the walk. It won't be easy, even though I'm not sure he said anything of importance that hasn't been said before by others. If he did it wasn't in the high-lite package I heard, maybe someone could mention anything new and important that I missed.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Another reason not to watch The Grammys

they've axed the Polka category.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Empty now

I wonder where Empty has gone. I would love to hear his take on Obama's speech.

My take: It was amazing. The more I see him he more impressed I am. How fortunate we are to have him as our President.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: David Carradine

Sad news indeed: I well remember 'KUng Fu', the story of a Shaolin monk who travels the Old West preaching love, tolerance, respect adn compassion, and belting the snot out of anyone who disagrees.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: I think that David Carradine was a certain kind of cool........

I;m reminded today of a scene in Pulp Fiction, which other than this passing line he had nothing to do with. Samuel Jackson & John Travolta are 2 career crooks sharing breakfast in an LA diner. They've both just shared an experience which Jackson takes to be a religious epiphany. He thinks the hand of God came down&saved him from death & now he;s going to embark on a life of honor. Travolta is skeptical that the experience was anything more than odd&incredulous that his partner is not only about to go straight but that he has no plan. He asks him what he;s going to do & Jackson replies" Walk the Earth". Travolta presses for more details & Jackson says(I'll get this as best I can) "Walk the Earth. You know, like like Caine in Kung Fu. Walk the Earth & get in adventures&shit. Whatever God wants for me...."


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: David Carradine

I am almost certain that David was an amatuer musician, because Randy Ciarlante told me that his band was going to David's NY home (God knows where) and that David usually sat in with them. If I have my story straight (it was a couple of years ago and Randy just mentioned "Carradine's place" in passing) then there's a definite Band connection. I'll ask Randy via e-mail. At this point, I can't say the story should go to print, I need a confirmation (or a "non-denial denial"- "All the President's Men").



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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Sebastian

Hi Sebastian,

'The smell of the leaves

From the Magnolia trees

In the meadow',

I love the image these lyrics portray. Could you ask Rob where they come from? Where did he smell the Magnolia trees?

Also, I think the song is an example of the five musicians at their best. But I really like Levon's drumming and Rob's guitar playing on this track. The guitar playing always contributes to the song. So thank him for me.

Hope you are well.


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Posted by:

Steve

Web: My link

There that's better, I hope.


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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: david carradine .r.i.p.

david carradaine..no more.. this is really terrible news.what can you say.'my name is cain'.'ah grasshopper'..immortal lines..classic movies..bound for glory,long riders,boxcar bertha..the comeback with 'kill bill'..and the obvious 'kung fu' tv iconic 70's classic. he could do exploitation schlock like 'death race 2000' in the same breath as a bergman films such 'the serpents egg'. im actually holding as i type this, a cassette tape version of 'on the road' read by david.dont forget the cameo in 'mean streets.' a true legend. miss him ...miss him .....


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Posted by:

Steve

Location: : www.cbc.ca/q ...

Subject: The Band According To Garth

Kevin, if you'd like to hear Garth on Q, I'd suggest to you and anyone else here who'd also like to hear a half hour of Garth discussing the music of the Band and music in general in the way only Garth can, to go to the link above and send an email telling Jian to get on with it.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Farewell, Grasshopper

Several years back I read David Carradine's autobio & it was a good read. In addition to being a workingman's actor through the 50's&60's before hitting it big with Kung Fu on TV, he grew up as an insider in the midst of the studio controlled old Hollywood of the 30's&40's. He went on to have some spotty success's,notably Bound For Glory,& worked pretty regularly in independent films then hit big again with Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill afew years back. As I said, it was a good read, he had stories to tell. I dont recollect if he mentioned his Band connections in the book & dont own it so I cant check, but he was friends with & associated with Rick&RR, possibly the others, in the latter Malibu days of the OQ. This according to magazine articles I recall reading away back when, the only one of which I positively recall was in Playboy.....


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Don't forget to ask about the fued. Also, it's us who are the visionaries. After all, we spent days talking about Cairo last week, and the look where the big guy turns up to speechify! As Bob W says, very, very impressively (judging by the second half that I caught).


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bob w, I think "brilliant" is the perfect term. He is a visionary. Of course, we in the Windy City have known this for quite sometime.

Didn't Carradine have some connection to the boys in Malibu in the mid-70's?

BTW, I'll be seeing Levon Tuesday here. A friend of mine's wife is doing the backstage catering.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

To the fans of "The Sopranos" this should be of interest.

Band link = Martin Scorsese


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

I know the political arena is a touchy subject here but I think Obama's speech in Cairo was brilliant and worthy of discussion. Wondering how others feel about it.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Brothers in Arms

Some may recall that David Carradine also appeared in "The Long Riders", along with his brothers Keith & Robert, portraying the outlaw Younger brothers. The Walter Hill film also featured James & Stacy Keach as Jesse & Frank James, Christopher & Nicholas Guest as Charlie & Robert Ford and Dennis & Randy Quaid as the Miller brothers. Ry Cooder composed the soundtrack for the movie which featured many scenes filmed in North Georgia.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: your TV guide

Last Waltzer Neil Young is the subject of a BBC-produced _American Masters_ episode: _Neil Young: Don't Be Denied_ to be broadcast next Wednesday, 10 June. See [My link].

Talk-show hosts go head-to-head when Elvis Costello guests on David Letterman's show tonight.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Sad news Mike……..what a movie “Bound for Glory” is! I saw it again about a year ago and it holds up well. I also loved the Kung Fu TV show when I was young…… Thanks Steve – I too would like to hear Garth play and talk on the type of extended platform that CBC radio can sometimes provide…….


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Remembering David Carradine today...

Many of you probably have read, seen or heard that actor David Carradine (most notably recognized for acting in "Kung Fu") has recently passed away in Thailand due to an apparent suicide.

We recognize him for his portrayal of Woody Guthrie in the film "Bound for Glory."


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Posted by:

Steve

No, Kevin, he was a guest on CBC Montreal's Radio Noon's phone in program. He was answering questions by Montrealers on his years here. By the way I'm still working on Jian on getting Garth on as a studio guest.

I've discovered that if you want attention when writing to CBC radio programs put a stamp on it.

I've written a couple of emails to different program hosts on different subjects over my 30 plus years as a CBC devotee. The great Peter GZ when he was on Morningside once read a letter on air concerning Ronnie Hawkins that I wrote. Since then I've written several emails to different nationwide network programs with no on air reading or response, only the local stations always respond. I wrote a real letter to The Current, eh voila, on air exposure. Then I wrote a real letter to, The House, and I'm 2 for 2 with on air exposure. Traditional letters are so rare they seem to demand attention. Jian will be getting a paper letter some time soon.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: typos

That should have been "Identities"


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Happy b'day, Zzzz!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ros/Ruse

Ros, I mean "Ruse", you are getting so "Bumbles like" referring to yourself in the third person. If you really want to change identifies, you need to pay attention to the location of your IP. :)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jesse Winchester

David P: Thanks for the reminder on Jesse Winchester…..just checked iTunes and the new one is there! Of interest, the first song that pops up in the iTunes store for Winchester is his cover of Gordon Lightfoot’s “Sundown”……………Steve: Had you not reported of Jesse’s appearance on CBC Q some years back? If so, I’ll check out the archive…..


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Posted by:

David P.

Peter V: I think that Hendrix cover from the BBC sessions is the only official, non-bootleg version. The original single version that Dylan recorded with the Hawks was included on the AMH box set.

As we approach the half-way mark in the year, my favorite new CD release this year has to be Jesse Winchester's "Love Filling Station" which seems to get better with each listening. It was released by that great independent Appleseed Recordings label based in West Chester, Pa. Appleseed also recently released Tom Rush's first new album in 35 years, "What I Know".

My favorite CD reissue this year has to be the gold CD version of "The Band" from Audio Fidelity, followed by the hybrid-SACD version of "Music From Big Pink" from Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab. While I've been enjoying the LP version of Van Morrison's Astral Weeks live, the great LP reissueof "Astral Weeks" released this year, along with heavy vinyl versions of "Moondance" and "His Band and Street Choir", from Warner all sound wonderful.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Astral Weeks Live / Hendrix

I played it many times the first two weeks, and then got the vinyl version for its extra track, but haven't played it much since. I think it's an essential buy though, and the lack of further listening may be my mood. Because life is disrupted with building work going on in the house, my attention span has changed, which carries through to car journeys. The last three or four weeks have been classic sixties soul virtually all the time. Trouble is after Otis Redding, Sam & Dave, The Impressions, The Temptations, The Four Tops, Don Covay, Lee Dorsey etc everything else sounds a bit shallow. After Lee Dorsey's Holy Cow a few times, even The Band version pales. The new Dylan isn't getting sufficient time to sink in.

On Saturday, the great Sixties show on BBC Radio Two played Jimi Hendrix's "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window". A great version. I looked on line and assume it's from the BBC Sessions CD. Anyone know if that's the only version?


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: A ruse by any other name...

Charlie-

Their voices are similar, but the dead giveaway is that they have different names, so they can't be the same person.

I'm just passing through, waiting for the hot water to fill in my jacuzzi. Gonna soak the arthritis away long enough so I can get my usual four hours sleep. This retirement is damned hard on the body.



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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Conan O'Brien

It seems Conan O'Brien and his band are making a smooth move to California, the "Tonight Show," the new Universal Studios set, and the earlier time slot. He also landed his best joke of the week tonight, claiming that "in the future, YouTube, Twitter and FaceBook will merge into one super time-wasting site called You Twit Face."

Is it just me or does the voice of "Ruse" sound a lot like "Ros?"


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Posted by:

ruse

Well, we'll wait and see how much ass-kissin' Obomer does tomorrow and then.. we'll see


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Posted by:

Dentist Milpitas

Web: My link

this is a nice site. keep going guys


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Posted by:

ruse

No, thank you


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Posted by:

Pat B

Hold it, everyone. Gingrich has reversed hisself and claims now that he might have been hasty in his evaluation of that certain judge's "racist" tendencies. Rush and the rest are chiming in with their apologies. Sure left their base dangling in the wind.

ruse, wasn't Jim Jones some kind of Christian preacher?


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Koko Taylor dead at 80

Hi guys.Thought you may be interested in this news report from my inbox. Too personal to link. I adore Borack Obama. Hope he continues to serve and his safety isn't threatened too much. Anyone interested, there is an excellent TV show with Brian Williams on NBC in the White House. That Michelle is one great lady.

*******************************************************

"Wang Dang Doodle" blues singer Koko Taylor dies

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Grammy-winning blues singer Koko Taylor, the "Queen of the Blues" who belted out her signature hit, "Wang Dang Doodle," at hundreds of concerts, died on Wednesday, her record label said.

Taylor, 80, died in a Chicago hospital following intestinal surgery, a statement from Alligator Records said.

Born on a farm near Memphis, Tennessee, in 1928, and nicknamed Koko because of her taste for chocolate, she and her five brothers and sisters often accompanied themselves on homemade instruments.

Taylor came to Chicago with future husband Robert "Pops" Taylor in 1952 with nothing but "thirty-five cents and a box of Ritz Crackers," she once said.

At first, she cleaned houses while soaking up Chicago's rich blues scene, and then sat in with area blues bands. Discovered by impresario and blues artist Willie Dixon in 1962, Taylor signed with the famed Chess Records label that recorded "Wang Dang Doodle," written by Dixon.

She traveled from Chicago's club circuit to concert halls around the world, performing with blues legends Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, B.B. King and Buddy Guy. After Chess Records went out of business, she began recording in the mid-1970s for Alligator Records in Chicago.

She shared a Grammy Award for best traditional blues recording in 1984 for the compilation album "Blues Explosion, and received several more nominations.

Her near-constant touring schedule came to a halt in 2003 when she suffered a heart attack and fell into a four-week-long coma. She resumed performing the following year and performed for the last time May 7 in Memphis at the Blues Music Awards.

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo



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Posted by:

ruse

Ruse isn't upset about Garofalo's use of the word "racist" Ruse is disturbed about the rest of her diatribe, going as far as to fall over her own words. If that's all Pat B. heard while listening to this tookus then Jim Jones could have made good use of him as a leader at the lead kool-aid stand.

Wasn't there a twenty-three year old military veteran murdered in this country by a converted muslim the same day that other fellow gunned down the late-term abortion doctor? I think they buried the story on page 16 of the NYTimes ans if I'm not mistaken, the more liberal leaning news programs didn't make mention of it at all.

That''s what happens when .. nevermind. Spending time here is..


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Dylan and Economic Decline

See article


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: From Just Outside The Three Point Line

Score 3 for Obama. How refreshing to hear a leader say that leaders of countries have to stop saying one thing in public and another thing behind closed doors.

Kevin, remember JQ was probably in boot camp when you were in booties.


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Posted by:

Steve

It's the woman over in Homeland Security that seems out of touch with reality, either that or she's hard of hearing or possibly suffers from severe short term memory problems. Did she ever play in the NFL?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Chain of Command & Times Have Changed

Besides the historical significance of Barrack Obama's election, I think it's also interesting to note that Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, is second in line to succeed him, behind Vice-President Biden. Secretary of State Hilary Rodham Clinton is fourth, behind the President pro tempore of the Senate Robert Byrd.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

JQ: Accepted and understood……….Your taste in music is so good that I couldn’t quite reconcile that comment but I obviously misinterpreted…..anyhow to Pelosi…..I am suspicious when the usual suspects are so adamantly against someone…in the way for example that the Right seemed to have it in for the Clinton’s and this usually triggers a “one that they are attacking must be right” instinct in me – but time after time when I see her on TV, she just does not seem to be in full grasp of the subject at hand. The CIA thing I took for what is was – an obvious sleight of hand play by the opposition to distract from the real story….but the other big story of the times – the bailout - I watched one night as she made her way to a podium – thanked everyone for a job well done – only to tune back in a few hours later to find out that the job wasn’t done at all! Look, I live in another country and tend to watch CNN for an hour or so a night while sitting in the back room playing guitar…….but couldn’t help wondering whether she was the best person for the job of moving Obama’s business along………….


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: boy, the word

All apologies Kevin, I think I use that word as one that's interchangeable, in that context, with lad, son, friend, sir, etc. I know it's not on but I think there's a little wiggle room for its use in '09, particularly for a geezer. It's an affectation mostly, sorry if it offended, won't happen again.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

JQ: Interesting that a guy with such disdain ( rightfully ) for the wingnuts at FOX and assorted other former Speakers and radio personalities that trade loosely in the “calling people racists” camp would attempt to make a point by referring to me as “boy”………What’s up? …


Entered at Wed Jun 3 18:41:46 CEST 2009 from (166.129.131.90)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Nancy Pelosi

Kevin J - Pelosi has ben a punching bag for the right-wing for sometime now. It has seemed to be mostly based on her being a Democrat liberal female from the Sodom & Gomorra of 'Frisco. Most of the criticism is as shallow as yours. My nephew, a fine young Dem, doesn't like her due to that way her mouth moves around or something like that

Her most recent row has to do with her standing up to that model of truth:The CIA. The right-wing has convicted her already with Newt & Rush (the twin pillars of sensation for the dumb-fucked masses) calling for her resignation. The jury remains (well) out on this one still. Dig a bit deeper boy before you cast her out altogether.

Are we slipping into politics again here, after a 6 month hiatus? I sorta hope so. I see that Brian Z remains a GOP apologist - we no longer hold your votes for W against you sir. Is "rube" still here or is he busy giving Sean Hannity a blow job?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Time passages

My Dad was born on July 4th 1901. He passed away in 1974. He saw the first men fly (Wright Brothers) and the first man walk on the moon. Electricity, Radio, TV, Cars air travel and the list goes on. Quite a lot to take see in one lifetime I think.

Charlie, I too fear for Obama. I pray for his safety and protection every day.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Obama

I can not think of another example - certainly not in recent history – where a country has effectively rebooted itself to the applause and support of the rest of the world….truly a great statement on democracy. If the knowledge and sensitivity he has displayed so far in his dealings with Canada is extended to all of the other countries that he deals with then we might really be on the verge of some progress………that all said and I’ll admit to not understanding the role of Speaker in the US (In Canada – the Speaker is usually a party stiff that his/her own family rarely admits to even knowing ) but whenever I see Nancy Pelosi on TV I can’t help thinking that Obama must really wish he had someone else to help him do whatever it is the Speaker does! No statement on gender – she just appears completely incompetent…..

By the way, is “It’s too early to tell” in the same code book as “I’m undecided” ?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, knitting wool shops. One appears in Wallace & Gromit in "A Close shave" where Gwendolene works, but they sell only wool nowadays. Mrs V got interested in knitting suddenly from last year and they no longer have the sideline. We went to a few specialist ones in London, and the current clientele seem to be 50% male, and pink and rainbow shades sell particularly well.

When I was a teenager, they always had displays as it was considered a private place for women to purchase. I also saw that in Italy around then. People are not embarrassed about the things that embarrassed them in 1967.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: a 2009 phenomenon, to be sure

Peter, wool shops? What are wool shops? Where they sell wool for knitting? That's really a strange side line, I must say.

As for the barber shop suppliers, 40-odd years later here they've moved to the public square. This past Saturday night we were in New York City, milling about the new five-block long pedestrian mall created by blocking off Times Square to vehicular traffic in the middle of the theater district. It appears to be a surprising success, with city-provided chaises longues and throngs of happy tourists and locals socializing and enjoying the lovely weather and the opportunity to gaze up at the Disneyfied chaos of screens and neon lights. New to me was the crew of young men scattered throughout Times Square hawking something called Obama condoms. ("Get your Obama condoms here! The ultimate stimulus package!") I don't want to speculate on the product, but I did have to wonder, when I learned later that the President and First Lady were also at the theater that night, just a short way down the Square from us, if they heard the barkers and what their reactions might have been.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, pay attention, it's close to 99% good-natured.

Brien, I assume you understand that Obama like every other US president plays on the world stage. If the one leader who truly inspires people, even old cynical, crusty bastards like Peter, the guy who brings some measure of hope to Americans and people world wide that a politician might really have the best interests of citizens of the planet everywhere at heart and not just the people who paid to get him elected turns out to be just a great conman then democracy everywhere is dealt a further blow. You have to remember, unlike other leaders, Obama and other US presidents matter everywhere. They effect the lives of everyone in some way.

The world's most important democracy may be having it's last chance to walk it like it talks it. I for one am hopeful but a little skeptical. Time will tell. He plays basketball so maybe he's just faking right but will go left.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: 1967-2009 Van Mo's Live Astral Weeks

On that, Peter V - What's your take on this record? I'm a mad fan of the original; I don't know too many from then that work so well today. But the new one is just a tarted-up thing to me. For me, the original would only work live with a jazz combo in a small room.

Does Van to that old timey Greek thing of singing with a mouth full of pebbles now?


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Posted by:

Pat B

If Garafalo meets the "hate" criteria for using the word "racist," ruse must be apoplectic over Gingrich, Buchanan, McConnell, and every other right wings nopester who used the term recently in their appraisal of a certain judge. I'm guessing not.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Hey Steve - for a guy who loves spending time belittling the way the US plays a role in the world and that we always seem to revolve around ourselves, it's a little surprising to see you write that the if Obama can't do it, then democracies around the world will probably fail/decline. So much for faith in others outside the US. But before we pass out the cape and halo for Obama let's see what happens.., it's still early and hoping that all goes well.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: polka pukes

bob w: Intriguing piece, especially " . . . the group's genre-defying repertoire ranges from Cole Porter classics to ethnic punk." Genre-defying, indeed. Some of my neurons respond to "Cole Porter classics" but I wish Mr. Hooper had provided an example or two so I could situate the "ethnic punk" category.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pickering Steve: Thanks for the post about the Horseshoe gig. If you stick around you'll find that at least three of the regulars are former Pickeringers. And that there's already a just-plain Steve, who posts a lot and receives (and dishes out) a fair bit of abuse, some of it good-natured. So you might want to choose a name that differentiates.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Sing a song, it'll make a way.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The funny thing about 1925 and 1967, is that a time-travelling male from 1925, attired in a plain business suit, shirt and tie, could stop off in 1967 and 2009 and get away with it without people noticing.

A woman time traveller would be more likely to get caught, unless she were dressed like Zelda Fitzgerald in a short dress at the flapper's ball and it was evening. A headband would have worked in 1925 and 1967.

But if you take that woman time-traveller back to the clothes of 1918, she wouldn't be able to pass unremarked in 1967 or 2009.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: It's a nice question, isn't it?

And the period of greatest technological change is that between 1760 and 1850...


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: One More Thing

Dlew, hand the guy getting out of the pen in 2009 a tiny Ipod Shuffle and tell him there are 700 songs in there he can listen to. Ha.


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Posted by:

Steve

Dlew, the ridiculously rich vacationing in space, phones not connected to anything but your hand, this internet thing, the speed at which things happen now. The end of the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall, a black president in the US. Gay marriage, the variety of accepted family arrangements. Cloning. China bankrolling the US. The US invading more than one country at a time. The Stones touring. Wait! Wait! Maybe you're right about more change between 25 and 76, after all.


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Posted by:

Steve

You're right , ruse, unwarranted criticism, but not hate speech. See Col. Peters' column that Brien linked to for an example of hate speech.

The answer to the question at the end of your post is ," by not carrying through on the promise of REAL change and the hope it engendered as he rode to victory just 6 months ago."

As far as criticizing Obama, let's wait to see if he makes the changes he promised; to make the economy work for more Americans, not just the privileged few, to make the US a responsible global citizen, part of the solution not part of the problem in global matters. Not an easy task but if anyone can pull it off he seems to be the guy . If he doesn't make the changes he promised democracies around the world will probably go further into decline thinking if he can't or won't do it nobody else will.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve, Joan, Kevin J...

Steve - htat's the question, isn't it? What were the differneces? If we look at the (say) 1925 Model T Ford, and bring up the 1967 Ford Falcon, and the 2009 Falcon? (If we look at General Motors, a behemoht in 1925, an icon in 1969, and 2009 ...)

Television - our incarated 1969 gentleman released in 2009 would have seen television, and probably even colour (though not in Australia till 1973). 1925, he'd barely seen a talking movie...

communications: basially few phones, then loads of phones, then ubiquitous phones. But they still dial, rather than operator phones...

I'm thinking that the gulf between 1925 and 1969 is greater than 1969 and today... but I'm still open for discussion.



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Posted by:

ruse

Web: My link

Cherie Cherie - Peek underneath link for hate speech. What I said was criticism.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I hasten to add that I haven't been wearing it continuously since 1984.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: 1967

The cigarettes / condom one is good. Also, in Britain in 1967, you bought condoms at a barbers shop, not a pharmacy. Barbers shops had little neon lighted Durex signs in the window. Feminine hygiene items were sold in wool shops. Both were places where the opposite sex was rarely seen. Pharmacies stocked them, but barbers were the place of choice for the lads, and the standard barber query was “Do you want anything for the weekend?”

A friend recounts one of his earliest days in Bournemouth (then famous for gentility before it became disco land) when the barber asked “Would sir like anything for the weekend?” Indeed he did, and asked for one pack. The barber continued, “Is sir aware that Monday is a Bank Holiday?”

I was wearing a Van Morrison T-shirt yesterday. Someone said, "You've had that a long time." I looked down. "Dominion Tour 1984." A 25 year old T-shirt is a tribute to the quality of Fruit of the Loom.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Joan: I feel the same as you but I'm fearful from familiarity with the deeper nature of angry hate-speech spewers like the one below your post. Like the assassin of the doctor in his church on Sunday, these people are all too often not only insane--but heavily armed. It's an very old, sad story in this nation. I hope President Obama will be wise and safe in guiding us into a better era.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Peter V

re Obama: He is rather extraordinary isn't he? Every day I pinch myself: We got rid of Bush and we are lucky enough to have Obama.


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Posted by:

ruse

Yes, Barry's on his "Profusely Apologization" tour of the world. Next month he's going on his "America Has No Right To Exist" tour and the month after that he's coming back to America to continue on his "How Can I Fuck This Country Up More Than It Already Is " tour.


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Posted by:

Steve

Location: Pickering

Subject: Juno Lifetime Achievement award

Hi, I just found your website tonight. I am listening to an old Colin Linden CD (South at Eight North at Nine) and it brought back memories of seeing him and the Band at the Horseshoe. I was trying to remember what year it was so I googled it and found your site. Anyway, I searched on Juno and found the following on your main page.

"Hm... almost 10 years ago, the following was posted in our now-defunct guestbook: Sat Feb 7 05:16:30 MET 1998 Mark From: west Toronto The Horseshoe Tavern on Queen Street West. Is celebrating it's 50th Aniversary in 1998. For those of you that don't know, The Horseshoe Tavern in Toronto, Is one of the pillars of live music... the best night was in 1989. When The Band got their Lifetime Juno Award, The Band was playing at the Horseshoe, and Robbie Robertson showed up at the back door, with his guitar. He apparently joined The Band on stage. And the owner apparently bought drinks For the entire bar for the next two hours. I remember the CBC broadcast of The Band playing with Blue Rodeo behind them. The Band being Robbie, Rick and Garth. Sans Levon. Was anyone there? If you were, let's hear about it. Now, check out this article from Toronto Star today about the Legendary Horseshoe Tavern' 60th anniversary: "Several years ago, The Band was in town to receive a special Juno Award. The `Shoe had The Band onstage that Saturday, of course less Robbie Robertson. They had not performed together for many years. About 12:30, the back door opened and in walked Robbie with his friend Reg Bouvier. I also noticed he had a guitar with him! My blood pressure went through the roof with excitement. Was I going to see a Band reunion in my club? Robbie opened up the guitar, put it on and entered side stage. The look of surprise on every one of the members on stage brought tears to my eyes and a roar from the crowd only equal to the night the Stones hit our stage. " So, can anyone confirm that Robertson actually joined The Band (including Danko, Helm and Hudson) again on stage in '89? "

I'd be surprised if this was still in question, but Robertson certainly was there. I got there about 4:30pm because I was afraid it would be impossible to get in (and it got crowded later). This was a Colin Linden show. Garth Hudson and Rick Danko were there as guest musicians and they played Linden's songs. Later Robertson came in and they played some Band songs (not all that many sadly). Levon Helm wasn't there, nor did he attend the Junos the following Sunday night (if I recall correctly and I think I do). He still hated (and probably still does) Robertson. It was one of the greatest nights of my life to be within an arm's length of Robbie, Rick and Garth while they played together for what I guess was the last time.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Deb/Kevin

I haven't thought about Richard Corey in ages.

Kevin, I liked the cigarette - condom idea.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Steve - dlew

Great questions…..in 1967 the person would stroll out of the joint and into a store to ask for cigarettes in a loud voice and whisper about the availability of condoms…..in 2009 he would ask for condoms in a loud voice and whisper about cigarettes……


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Posted by:

Steve

Dlew, do you think if you released someone from prison in 67 who'd been there since 25 they'd be more or less confounded by life than some imprisoned in 67 and released in 2009?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Time is Time

The individual perception of time getting faster is to do with proportion - when you are a kid, say 10, 1 year is 1/10th of your life. At 50, it is 1/50th... so the portions get smaller. I was really thinkgin about the vast difference between the two ages... 1925, 1967 and 2009... and that the latter two were much similar than the earlier two.... or not...


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Posted by:

Peter V

I watched the BBC President Obama interview tonight. I've often expressed my deep loathing of ALL politicians, but in fact, I would have voted for this guy. That's extremely unusual for me to say.


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Posted by:

Steve

The girls who lived next door when I was growing up were French but loved Simon and Garfunkel and would belt out I, Am A Rock, which is the way I still hear the song in my head when I think of it. Their lyrics were so off base they wouldn't even fit the mondegreen definition. " Hi Ham Ha Rocku, Hi Ham Haaaa Roooocku

Kevin, I think we might be looking at this US president for awhile, a long while.


Entered at Tue Jun 2 22:34:36 CEST 2009 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

"Richard Cory" is both a poem written in 1923 by Edwin Arlington Robinson and a Paul Simon song. Here is the poem, which was a mainstay of speech classes when I taught high school back in the days of the dinosaurs:

Richard Corey

WHENEVER Richard Cory went down town,

We people on the pavement looked at him:

He was a gentleman from sole to crown,

Clean favored, and imperially slim.

And he was always quietly arrayed,

And he was always human when he talked;

But still he fluttered pulses when he said,

"Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.

And he was rich—yes, richer than a king,

And admirably schooled in every grace:

In fine, we thought that he was everything

To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,

And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;

And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,

Went home and put a bullet through his head.

I don't recall the name of the S&G album where the Paul Simon version appeals but he acknowledges the Robinson poem as inspiration.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Back through the gossamer

About this time in 1969 my ship was being decommisioned in Boston. Somebody must have screwed up the ship's food costs (the Essex was a carrier, but there were only a few hundred people working on putting her away) because we had steak and lobster and really good food that last month.

JOAN: I'll mail your CD tomorrow. BTW, 1969 seems like a lifetime ago. In fact, the last nine years have been pretty slow for me. George W. seemed to be in office for a long time.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: Your post reminded me that Mr Clark's class had "Richard Corey" too; took me years to learn that it was a S&G song, though. Another memory that surfaced is that "I Am A Rock" was 'studied' alongside John Donne's "No Man Is An Island". I wonder if they still do that, use the new stuff to get students to take an interest in the ancient? Come to think of it, we did bits of both "Tommy" and "JC Superstar" in grade 10. But not "Rocking Chair", a truly great song about the aged.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: S & G School

My tenth grade teacher, Miss K., had 'Richard Corey' in the curriculum. Miss K. was also photographed at Woodstock. When confronted with the evidence, she neither confirmed nor denied it. We thought she was so cool; we later learned she had escaped from a NY State psychiatric facility. Ah, those were the days.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Garth Save The Queen

And on this day in 1971 The Band played The Royal Albert Hall in London on the 18th anniversary of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jersey Girl

You are so right. Someone once described growing old as a train pulling out of a station. It starts slowly and just keeps speeding up till things pass by the window too quickly to really be seen.

Nice to see you.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: new music

Peter V - Are you saying that Elvis Costello is no longer new wave? I actually just bought My Aim is True a few months ago.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Old Age

Relax everyone ….old only arrives when your musical favorites are no longer around…..as best as I can tell, Dylan, Helm, Hudson, Robertson, Reed, McCartney, Simon, Cohen, Young, Beck, Clapton, Davies, etc are not just still around but all still quite productive. Imagine 25 years from now, when this GB might have to morph into a White Stripes discussion forum…….and to think that Steve will have had 4 or 5 new US administrations to dissect by then!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: all the leaves are relevant ... and the hair is grey

Jersey Girl: Teaching in '68? You must've skipped a bunch of grades.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: Look around, leaves are brown ....

Bill M., I must be the same age as your teachers. I remember with great embarrassment typing up Simon & Garfunkel lyrics on those purple ditto masters for my English classes in '68. I thought I was so creative and relevant and in tune with my students. Then Frederick Wiseman's documentary "High School" came out, and I winced as I watched another young woman teaching her class with the same tortured material. (I think it was Sounds of Silence, but I Am a Rock would have been even worse.)

Joan, I think it depends which 25 years of your life you're talking about. Robbie had it right: "We grow up so slowly and grow old so fast."


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jan. F and Steve: It may be that Pringles is still feeling snarly from having lost their battle to have their chip declared NOT to be a potato chip (because it's made from potato flour rather than a potato slice). So maybe they're just lashing out?


Entered at Tue Jun 2 20:13:35 CEST 2009 from (165.112.214.196)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro D.C.

Subject: Is nothing sacred???

Mr. Steve noticed this morning that there is a new Pringles potato chip commercial on TV and the music they are using is "Give Up The Funk (Tear The Roof Off The Sucker)" by Parliament. He uttered, "is nothing sacred?" Nope, I guess not.

Went to the Western Maryland Blues Fest (which was really more of a jazz fest - not that there's anything wrong with that). Did get to see Willie "Big Eyes" Smith. He was a little ragged, but entertaining. Derek Trucks was the headliner and was outstanding. Looks like he gets warmed up and then goes into a trance . . . plays a lot with his eyes closed. I've taken up residence, for a while, on the DTB forum.

Jan F.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Sgt Pepper

In '67 I was still wallowing in nerdiness (and would be for the next 10 years), but I did like one particular pop song, "Cornflakes And Ice Cream" by the Lords of London; the family would call me to the radio when CHUM played it - which was fairly often as it got to #1. Then I'd dash off again to read an improving book or attend to my stamp collection. Nevertheless, I did encounter SPLHCB - in Mr Sellers' English class, where we studied the lyrics to "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" for use of simile, metaphor, symbolism, social comment, etc. (all totally new concepts to me). No talk of LSD that I recall - probably deemed to be too shallow to even be mentioned. I have a vague recollection of having a purple-on-white mimeographed copy of "Turn Turn Turn" that same year - likely from the same class. And of "I Am A Rock" from Mr Clark's class the following year.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Gather ye rosebuds while ye may, old time is swift a-flying

Passing time was on my mind all day. I had to park outside the museum where I worked for six months in 1966. It didn’t look much different, but I guess that’s part of being a museum, and it shouldn’t. Anyway, I realized it was 43 years ago when I worked there. Then there was a middle-aged Church of England vicar on a comedy quiz show talking about his days in the Communards band. Then there was Morrisey being fifty. I think of Morrisey as being AFTER my main areas of interest, and he’s fifty. Johnny Rotten looks older. Debbie Harry is nearly ancient. Stevie Nicks too.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

David P: An interesting aspect of promotion and one that is very hard to figure out……..right you are that Arcade Fire had a strong buzz created by support from very well respected musicians like RR, David Bowie and Lou Reed…….and I guess it helped them – certainly got my attention……but the great Ron Sexsmith has testimonials from the hippest and best in the business and nothing has ever come of it……


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Play that green Strat Stevie!!

The above link was one of my favorite momemnts from the last Clapton Crossroads festival - where Jeff Beck and Stevie Winwood were both great.....intersting in that they are just about the only two performers of that vintage that seem to be absolutley still at the top of their form.

Hip on SNL: my memory is that Dan Ackroyd introduced them and that they were very strong....for panic see the various bands that have had their tape machines malfunction while on that show!! SNL ruined a lot of careers when it became apparent- over night - that a band just could not cut it live.....though I stopped watching the musical part of that show with both eyes after Lorne Michaels admitted that SNL alowed any band the use of pre-recorded help...Sad.


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Posted by:

David P.

Kevin J: As I recall, Arcade Fire also received praises from Robbie Robertson in interviews conducted when he was promoting the AMH box set.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: DLEW Time passages

I think it depends on whose 40 years you are talking about.To my parents generation, time flew with all sorts of amazing things since 1925. For me, time has flow since 1969. Now, time is just going faster and faster for me.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Downie On Saturday Night

Gord told his nephew, who was turning 11 on the day the Hip appeared on SNL, that he would give him the two thumbs up sign before they played their first song to recognize his birthday which he did but in trying so hard not to forget the birthday signal he actually forgot the first words to the song they opened with. He described the panic attack he had when the band started playing and he was frantically searching his brain for the words. I think he must have come up with the words in time because they did get through the song.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Eric & Steve...and Stevie

I got the double-CD version of the Madison Square Garden Clapton-Winwood and the sound is spectacular! The setlist is also very interesting--worth a listen. It's great to see Willie Weeks on bass in the very spare band. I saw him backing George Harrison on his only US solo tour and again as part of Gregg Allman's band in recent years. Mr. Weeks adds a great foundation for any song, and that new Clapton-Winwood live collection has some stellar songs indeed. The young drummer also helps give new life to a lot of old songs.

PBS ran a great live Stevie Wonder (that OTHER multi-instrumental genius named Steve W.) and it reminded me of what a remarkble career he has had. I think the DVD of that broadcast is available, but not sure if a CD set has been released of it. He's never sounded better.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

The Tragically Hip: Sadavid’s link is interesting on two fronts – 1. I hadn’t known that the Wall Street Journal covered Rock n Roll – they clearly do and do so well… , and 2. The Hip’s lack of success in the US despite being bigger than the Beatles in Canada is almost funny because never was there a band that tired harder to break south of the border. In the mid 80’s, I recall much hoopla about their signing with MCA and their manager at the time (the one and only Allan Gregg – pollster/CBC pundit/ bad haircut man - who was responsible for that infamous attack ad on Jean Chretien’s face) telling all who wanted to hear that unlike most Canadian bands, the Hip’s deal was with the US division of MCA and their target was really the US market and Canada would just have to follow – or words to that effect. They toured the US….they did get airplay….but nothing caught on…..and never has despite more promotion and more great opportunities ( Saturday Night Live, Woodstock, etc ) than any other Canadian band ever…….Arcade Fire played to a few enthusiastic crowds in New York some years back…bagged a few good reviews in Spin and Rolling Stone and sold millions of albums within a year…..A record guy told me last year that Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush sold more albums in Texas in 2008 ( some 25 years after their retirement/disappearance ) than the Hip have in their entire 20 plus year career in the entire USA.!!!

Count me in on not understanding John Doe’s appeal….I‘ve tried but have a hard time playing anything more than twice…..


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Sgt Pepper's

I bought this the day of its release at our local shop, but then I left it on the front seat of my '57 Chevy, which had brand-new black naugahyde upholstery (it was a hot day) and when I came back it had warped like crazy; it was ruined. Westchester Music told me tough shit kid. And given my money situation in those days I didn't replace it until many months later. But everybody else had it so I still got to know it well.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: 42 years...

Maybe someone can correct me, but the difference between 2009 and 1967 seems somewhat shorter than the time between 1967 and 1925. Is that right? I mean, quite a lot happened between 1925 and 1967: Great Depression, World War II, Korea, Cold War, ... but then Vietnam, Moon walk, thatcher, reagan, Berlin wall...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: It was 42 years ago today....

Many of us of a certain age will vividly recall that it was 42 years ago today that "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" was released here in the U.S. (a day after the U.K. Parlophone release).


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Posted by:

Bill M

sadavid: Among the many things I like about "At The Hundredth Meridian" are the nods to both Ry Cooder the ghost of Gram Parsons in the last verse. Also, I appreciated the Downie / Purdy film / poem. You are indeed a sensitive man!

Peter V: As you said, the drummer in the Spencer Davis group, Pete York, was good - good enough that it was him on Clapton's Powerhouse recordings - along with Winwood (though calling himself Steve Anglo), Jack Bruce and Paul Jones (both of whom were still with Mannfred Mann at the time).


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Downie

Thanks sadavid. Great link.


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Posted by:

David P.

Gene: Hope you enjoy the Winwood/Clapton show! Billy Preston also worked with Clapton during the last few years before his death.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: plains begin

Bill M: you're welcome, and thank YOU for the _TStar_ Neil links.

I've only ever heard my sons and heirs play two of my records - one was a Johnny Cash comp and the other was _Fully Completely_.

I pulled the dusty Atlas (remember those?) off the top shelf this morning and determined that the hundredth meridian, near enough, passes through Brandon, Manitoba and Dodge City, Kansas. Seems about right.

See [My link] for oldie-but-goodie . . . .


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Posted by:

Friend0

West Coast people. September's Long Beach Blues Festival features BobbY Womack, MAvis Staples, & Johnny Winter.

Yesterday I heard the last two songs of a lunchtime WFUV live show by The New Riders Of The Purple Sage. The Riders sounded great.The interplay bewtween Buddy Cage, abd Nelson on guitar being the highlight. Nelson's vocals were pretty darn good too. I heard Louisicana Lady (, the first song I learned on guitar) and Panama Red. The Riders play there Thursday night.


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Winwoo/ Clapton dvd

There is a Blind Faith in London dvd (Hyde Park 1969) that has been out for a couple of years, however, the new 2 dvd and 2 cd release is from the February 2008 Madison Square Garden engagement (I was at the last show on 28Feb08 and it wan FANTASTIC.

It was Stevie's older brother Muff on bass with Spencer Davis Group. Muff went on to be an A&R man with Island Records and a record producer (first Dire Straits album)

Lars - I, also am more drawn by Winwood than Clapton, always have been. Together, they are magic, though. This will be my 4th Winwood show in the last 2 years! Great time to be living in the NY area.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Winwood / Clapton

There's a new CD and DVD of Steve Winwood and Eric Clapton Live in London.

I was listening to the original singles of "Keep on Running" and "Somebody help Me" yesterday. It's not just Stevie either. The bass playing is wonderful, and the little touches of lead guitar round the slashing chords are great too. Nice drumming. Everything works. The Spencer Davis Group were an all-round superb band, and rated the best on the circuit at the time. Chris Blackwell saw them play as support when he was doing Millie's first tour of England in 1964 (behind My Boy Lollipop) and signed them. They then backed Inez & Charlie Foxx on tour which no doubt helped their credentials for playing soul. A couple of songs from Jackie Edwards (Keep on Running & Somebody Help Me) and they were in business. It's a pity that they tend to be seen now as simply "Stevie Winwood and …" as the whole quartet deserve acclaim.

From memory of TV, Stevie was playing the slashes of rhythm guitar on Keep on Running and Spencer Davis the tasteful fills.


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Posted by:

Friend0

JQ, I never understood all the hoopla surrounding John Doe. He gets press, he gets deals, always has a lot happening. It's lost on me.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: thumbnail review: John Doe's Country Club

I've been listening to this and have found it to be mostly ho-hum. The positives are the song selections - it's all classic country covers - and the arrangements as played by the Sadies; they back up the whole record. The big negative is his singing voice, he just doesn't have the vocal chops for the genre.

Iggy Pop's new one Preliminaires sounds interesting, he was on Fresh Air today and thats likely available now in their archives.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods

Subject: Winwood/ Clapton

GENE- I'd like to hear about that show. I respect EC, but I really like Steve Winwood and I've always wanted to hear him in concert. Not that long ago he played at UPAC, but I had something else planned for that night. Butch went and he said Stevie was fantastic. So I'm looking for another chance, in my neck of the woods. BTW, did you ever see the YouTube of Steve Winwood (and the Spencer Davis Trio, I think) covering "Georgia?" He sounds a LOT like Ray Charles, but he only sings part of each verse and as I listen I wish he would sing the verses like Ray did. Maybe that's what makes it such a memorable cover.

I'm slowly getting ahead of the garden, lawn, and woods. Pretty soon I'll have things caught up so I can tackle another project. We;re having our BBQ early this year, because it's in honor of my daughter Sarah who's leaving on July 21st for a Peace Corp teaching job in Benin, Africa. She'll be back in late Sept of 2011.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Chin Up, Stabbio

Earle moving from NYC to the woodstock area is a natural progression.

I am 99% certain that Garth and he have worked together. I was with Garth and Maude when Earle came over to say hello to them in Nashville. He was painfully thin. Earle had his own studio in Nashville, could decide to do it again in Woodstock. He and Garth could cook up some intrerwesting stuff if they were of a mind.

Feel better now, Stabbigirl?


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Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Chris Stainton

David - Chris was back with Clapton at the MSG Winwood/Clapton 3 day engagement in February 2008. I have tickets for the Winwood/Clapton NJ show on June 10th (front floor, 11th row, WAHOOOO) and I'll let you know if Stainton is still with the band.


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Posted by:

Steve

Abby, your comment sounded almost negative. But there is good shit as well as bad shit.


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Posted by:

abby

Steve Earle moved to Woodstock? Pardon me, but - shit!


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: What Is This Band I keep Hearing About?

Jian had, Gord Downie, of the Hip, on for an hour interview last week for those keeping track of the endless lineup of important musicians who keep dropping by the Q studio.

Last week Toronto band, The Sky Diggers, played live and during the interview members of the band said that when they got together and started writing songs about 20 years ago they decided they wanted to write songs that had a timeless quality about them, songs that sounded like they could have been written today or 20 years ago. They offered up TNTDODD as the template they focus on to achieve that timelessness, a song they said sounds like it could have been written today, 20 years ago or a 150 years ago.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Thanks to sadavid for the link, and to Jim Fusilli for the positive review of the Tragically Hip. I've been listening all weekend to their magnum opus, "Fully Completely" all weekend, and would say that "At The Hundredth Meridian" is a must-hear - or even just read if you check the lyrics at the link above.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: can't draw flies

. . . and here's an article on The Hip that name-checks The Band . . . .


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Imagine singing for a hat pass in a church basement one day and then almost the next come to the realization that over 100 million people had seen you sing!! Her “47 and never kissed a boy” story made me think of the Tragically Hip song “38 years old” about a Canadian prison break and one of the guys when captured said “ he was 38 years old and never kissed a girl”…………..also made me think of an interview with Jacques Villeneuve years ago when he had just won the F1 World Driving Championship…….after returning from Europe, a local reporter asked him one of those typical hometown kind of questions – Did he have any idea just how popular he was? …..he paused and replied “Well, I did know that the last race was watched by 1.2 billion people, so I do have some idea as to how popular we all might be”……..I guess someone like Villeneuve would have been prepared for fame his whole life whereas someone like Susan Boyle didn’t stand much of a chance……..


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: EC's newest backup vocalist?

Peter V: While Marcy Levy had/has her charms, I think I prefer Susan Boyle's voice.


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Posted by:

Peter V

See the news. Ms Boyle just got taken to the Priory Clinic (which Clapton's backing bands will have known).


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

The link above is to a record-review page. The first album is Jim Byrnes' new one with its cover of "Ophelia". The third one is of one by Terra Hazelton, who was among the singers who got up on stage to sing with Garth Hudson, Jeff Healey at al at Healey's club in Toronto some years ago.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: Neil Young ...

As a public service for all you Neil Young fans fortunate / not fortunate enough to live in the T-dot and get our biggest daily paper, the first four stories at the link above appeared together in Saturday's entertainment section. The fourth one, about the childhood friend, is the best. (Note the mention of Three's A Crowd, a group I've mentioned a billion times in my time here at the GB; I will refrain from saying more, except that Bruce Cockburn and Colleen Peterson were NOT in the version of 3aC that Comrie Smith was in.)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Broken Arrow

Serenity - The above link is for you. An amazing collection of art that accompanies the video. Enjoy!


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Jamie Oldaker

In addition to his work with the Tractors, Peter Frampton and Bob Seger, drummer Jamie Oldaker also returned briefly to work with Clapton again, appearing on "Behind The Sun" and "24 Nights". Clapton returned the favour and appeared on Mr. Oldaker's fine, but sadly overlooked 2005 album "Mad Dogs & Okies" which also included contributions from J.J. Cale, Taj Mahal, Bonnie Bramlett, Willie Nelson, Vince Gill, Peter Frampton, Tony Joe White and Willis Alan Ramsey.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Steve: I hadn’t heard that Ms. Boyle had signed such a deal but would be happy if that was the case as she truly has talent. It was just one of those once a decade type stories that everyone – and I mean everyone – was exposed to and the headline today just seemed to be the classic “build them up – tear them down” type scenario playing out. What was it Rick Danko said about success being like both a monster and an angel with thick wings….or something like that….

On a similar theme, I saw the much hailed "Tyson" doc yesterday....nothing new or interesting at all.....the French gave it a 5 minute standing ovation at Cannes which is just another chapter in the "why the F*ck is Jerry Lewis king over here" book.


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Posted by:

David P.

Bashful Bill: Those details concerning Mr. Radle's death were posted at an online site not long ago by Bobby Whitlock. Clapton later expressed regret over the way he handled the band dismissals in his autobiography. This was Eric Clapton's band at the time he recorded "No Reason To Cry" in 1974 with The Band and other musicians.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Carl Radle(again)

Thanks, David P. Thats essentially the story I recollect, but with more details, such as his girlfriend discovering the body. Then SHE came to a bad end - so many tragic stories in the music biz. I also recall a RS interview around that time with Keef who openly criticized EC, blaming him for Radle's death despite an assistant or someone trying to caution him that a tape recorder was on. Oldaker & I think one of the orher Oklahoma guys - Sims maybe - had some success some years back with the Tractors.


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Posted by:

Steve

Steve Earle was on Jian Ghomshi's program Q this morning talking about his new album of Townes covers. It's his fastest selling album to date. Great interview. A pretty interesting inside look at his long time friend.

Mr. Earle did mention what wonderful musical neighbors he has now that he's moved to Woodstock. He mentioned Levon and John Sebastien by name.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: How do you spell success?

Kevin, I heard on the radio, I've never seen Ms Boyle and have only heard snippets of her singing, she will earn about $8,000,000.00 from recording deals she's signed. The report was kind of vague about the details.


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Pics of Levon @ this wkd's New Paltz (NY) Memorial Day parade.

Thanks to Butch & Barrie Dener for providing them.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Fall Baby

"Say a prayer for the lost generation who spin the wheel out of desperation" - Robbie Robertson

I was thinking of RR's song "American Roulette" this morning when reading a headline that said "The rise and fall of Susan Boyle"


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Clapton

The real reason behind Eric Clapton dismissing his band members in 1979 was growing problems due to substance abuse, including his own continuing alcoholism. The Tulsa contingent, Carl Radle, Jamie Oldaker & Dick Sims, were coldly informed by telegram/phone messages from someone in Clapton's management team. Marcy Levy, Yvonne Elliman and George Terry had already quit at that point and Albert Lee had come on board to replace Terry on guitar. In addition to Lee, Clapton hired English musicians Chris Stainton, Henry Spinetti, Dave Markee and later Gary Brooker. This band too later met the same fate, with Clapton delivering the bad news himself.

Friends of Carl Radle say he was deeply depressed and was never the same, complicated by health problems due to heavy drug & alcohol abuse. He had played with Clapton for close to 14 years and was the one who helped coax Clapton back into recording & performing with a new band, leading to his "comeback" success beginning with "461 Ocean Boulevard". Radle's death was technically due to kidney failure, aggravated by other problems due to substance abuse. His old friend, drummer Jim Keltner, had been worried after not hearing from him and called a girlfriend of his, Kay Poorboy, who went to his home & discovered his body. Ms. Poorboy was reportedly so depressed as a result that she later committed suicide. She is the lovely woman who's photo was included in the montage inside the gatefold cover of "Layla".


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: meeting John Lennon

Great read Peter, thanks.


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Posted by:

Steve

Au contraire ma chere, Claire. First, I'm glad I got the daughter part right. The theory is not mine, though, and I don't know if it's considered a theory any more or just fact at this point. In my case the info isn't that old , a couple of years, maybe 3 or 4, and there weren't a lot of facts to remember. If you'd given the hospital name, room number, doctor's name, etc, it would have been a better test of the theory. But I'm happy my memory seems to be still working well enough for simple tasks.

As I was typing the post about The Sullivan show with the Beatles I was wishing your daughter had been born during the Elvis appearance on Sullivan. I could see the potential for fun of being able to work epidural, no action from the waist down and You're Having My Baby into the post.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Beatle In A Beetle

Alan Rock, who later became a member of Parliament in Canada and a cabinet minister was the president of the student union at the University Of Ottawa during the bed-in in Montreal.

He got into the hotel room and spoke to Lennon trying to convince him to come to The University of Ottawa.

John asked him if he thought they could meet with Prime Minister Trudeau. Rock drove John, Yoko and Kyoto to Ottawa and then to the Prime Minister's residence at 24 Sussex Drive and since this was a more relaxed period security wise, Rock said they drove right up to the front door and knocked. A member of the house staff told them that Trudeau wasn't there so they did a little touring around Ottawa in Rock's VW. he said while they were driving around a Beatles song came on the radio. John asked him to turn it up and then John sang along. I heard Rock telling this story last week and he said there were several times he wasn't sure if he was dreaming especially when Lennon started singing to the Beatles song in his VW.

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