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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook October 2008


Entered at Fri Oct 31 22:59:55 CET 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

Well Carol, We are what we are and we do what we do and we all got at least some say in the matter, Did the lyrics in that Forbert song LIE?


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Abby/James Franco

Abby, James Franco is cute, but I still vote for Billy Crudup.I know we've done this before, but I still stand by my choice. :-D.

Enjoy your night out. A good haircut does wonders for the mood.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 21:52:38 CET 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

See "participant observer error" a phenomenon well-known to historians!


Entered at Fri Oct 31 21:25:36 CET 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: This Steve Forbert Deal

Rosalind- Thank you for proving my point with your post. That's exactly what Rick would *not* say and just how he would *not* want to be remembered.

Hi Lil--I loved your story; I can very clearly see it!



Entered at Fri Oct 31 20:34:12 CET 2008 from 74-130-170-226.dhcp.insightbb.com (74.130.170.226)

Posted by:

abby

Steven- No excuses. I feel almost like a new woman today -- not only because my tummy is well but because I got a cute new haircut! So we're hitting the town tonite and I'm going to eat some REAL food -- and of course I can't sit in the house alone while my hair still looks so good! (ugh I am so much a woman anymore - getting giddy over a haircut - when did this happen to me?) And you know me when it comes to conflict re. Rick - I always worry that I'll say the wrong thing -- and often do. But it was really necessary to point out why James Franco would be perfect. I forget - did I mention he kind of draws your eyes to him when he enters a room, in a really Rick-like way. Hope you're well too, BEG!


Entered at Fri Oct 31 19:54:50 CET 2008 from 21cust151.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.151)

Posted by:

Steve

Empty, I don't have time to google the answer right now but I think a submarine was used in the US by someone in the 1700's. I don't know who or exactly when or why but I remember reading it somewhere.

Bill who would have decided to drop the bass and drums farther back in the sound, The Band, as producers or Mark Harman?

Abby I'll put your apology for offending the puritans down to it being day 14 of your 14 day thingy.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 19:41:02 CET 2008 from ool-4577e4aa.dyn.optonline.net (69.119.228.170)

Posted by:

John W.

I've been meaning to post here, that I had the pleasure of meeting Blondie Chaplin last week, happened to be in the same bar in NYC and I recognized him immediately and got one of the regulars to introduce me. He's a really nice guy, and seemed genuinely appreciative when I told him I've been a fan since seeing him play back in the '70's in New Paltz with Rick Danko. "Oh yeah, with Butterfield?" he asked. "No", I said, "with Richard Manuel. You guys played outdoors on the campus, Spring Weekend 1978." He says, "Oh yeah, that was a good gig." Said he was headed off to Germany for a few gigs. Later he actually approached me and said thanks, that he appreciated someone remembering what he called his "early, tough times."


Entered at Fri Oct 31 19:39:40 CET 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

Location: Deep Southwest Pa

Subject: This Steve Forbert Deal

So What! I'm sure if Rick were here he'd be buddyin' up to Steve and sayin Ain't it True Friend, True Indeed! That's just the kinda crazy sumbitch I was and believe me, I'd still be a doin' it if I was still alive! He be laughin' and elaboratin' on it! He'd be remembering his most stoner night and how that night he walked out on that stage and done the best show of his life! Tore the house right to the ground! Left'em beggin' for more!

I never knew Rick but he didn't seem to me to be no shrinking violet when it came to partying! He wasn't ashamed of his enormous appetite for the high-life!

Why would people get so down in the mouth out about somebody telling the truth about a wonderful crazy cat who lived life to the fullest, toured the whole world, played a great show, went home and went to sleep in his own bed... ? That ain't too bad when ya think about it. Most of us could only hope to live a life like Rick did so... Here's to Ricky! be thankful we had him and he left but.. he didn't leave quietly!

And Quit dish-raggin' around about it! Everybody dies ...surely man ..even you!

Besides probably in about 6 months or so ...we'll all be dead!

Happy Monster Missile Attack Everybody!

Does anyone know what the letters C H A N G E really stand for? Well, don't expect no answer from me!

"Beware the dreamers of the day for they will enact their dreams with open eyes"

Lawrence of Arabia


Entered at Fri Oct 31 18:49:48 CET 2008 from (81.22.77.157)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: correction

the bloody insurrection led by the agitator Boudali in the region of Constantine was in May 1804 not in 1750 as mentionned in my previous post, why did i post 1750?, even 1804 was too early for submarines,
a tighter Band Connection is that there was also a Decatur involved in the facts, isnt him from old virginny...


Entered at Fri Oct 31 18:30:28 CET 2008 from cpe-70-92-152-197.wi.res.rr.com (70.92.152.197)

Posted by:

DEE

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: WESTCOASTER

Good to have you back....enjoyed your most recent post. The pictures of the Tug are great....must be the tidiest tug on the sea. The ones on Lake Michigan are rather grubby. About the CD...MORE!


Entered at Fri Oct 31 17:27:09 CET 2008 from ool-4b7f964a.static.optonline.net (75.127.150.74)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Forbert

I think it is important to distinguish between the personal/emotional and the business/professional. The emotional part of me says: The dog shit Rick has scraped off the bottom of his boots is more significant than Steve Forbert OR his opinions OR his lyrics.

The professional part of me says: The canine fecal matter Rick has scraped off the bottom of his boots is more significant than Steve Forbert OR his opinions OR his lyrics.

My sense of him, in speaking with him, is that he is very full of himself and seems to fancy himself a poet. But writing "Romeo's Tune" and rhyming "straw" and "saw" does not a Shakespearean sonneteer make.

BEG--You're very sweet and I appreciate your kind thoughts. But it is really not about me, or about being hurt. Rick had lots of people who loved him, and I am sure those people were just as offended. It is more about the truth, and about the sordid picture he chose to paint, when he could have chosen so many other ways to portray Rick.

I am really sorry if I hurt your feelings; I didn't mean to. I am glad that his songs have been healing to you.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 16:26:02 CET 2008 from 21cust72.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.72)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Canuckelhead Neil

Thanks Lil for the info on Neil. Obviously Neil hasn't checked into the rules recently. He never had to give up Canuckastani citizenship to take out citizenship in another country that would allow him to keep his own.

The US used to demand that you drop your other citizenship if you became a US citizen but that ended sometiime in the 80's. He might have checked into it before the US changed their rules.

I guess he is living as a landed immigrant( that's the classification in Canada) which allows you to do pretty much everything acitizen can except vote.

Maybe I should call him and get him up to speed.

I would just like to say this STEVE Forbert character is dishonoring the name STEVE. I may have to contact him as well. Is this Forbert a big fella, I've never seen him? Though, if he's really as old as BEG, it should be no problem givin him a GOOD GAWD DAMN WHUPPIN!


Entered at Fri Oct 31 16:02:32 CET 2008 from 74-130-170-226.dhcp.insightbb.com (74.130.170.226)

Posted by:

abby

Subject: julie?

Seeing as Luke Wiilson says he's always wanted to make a movie about Rick's life after the Last Waltz, and seein' as I've been seeing a lot of ads for the Harvey Milk movie lately, I think I've come up with the perfect person to play Rick! (no, not Sean Penn - not hardly!) but James Franco. How about that, JULIE? He has a similar look, (close enough so they can use their special effects magic to 'dankotize' him) but more than anything, he's just kind of goofy and sweet and always smiling and always seems to look like he just smoked a joint.(no harm meant there - we've all done it - no big deal) But I have a feeling Luke's gonna wanna be Rick. "It's MY idea, so I get to be the cool guy!"


Entered at Fri Oct 31 15:52:44 CET 2008 from dpc67142130029.direcpc.com (67.142.130.29)

Posted by:

Lil

Bill M: (That would've been quite a jagged little pill, hm? :-)


Entered at Fri Oct 31 15:45:12 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Jeez, all this to-ing and fro-ing on each other's stages suggests a protracted love-hate dance between the two. Again, maybe something to write a song about, but still not something to record for public consumption. (Though it coulda been worse; imagine if Rick had brushed up against Alanis Morrissette and rubbed her the wrong way?)


Entered at Fri Oct 31 15:07:06 CET 2008 from dpc67142130029.direcpc.com (67.142.130.29)

Posted by:

Lil

"Truly a friend?" I doubt it.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 11:39:46 CEST 2000 Diamond Lil

I do have to agree that it's very irritating to pay good money for a show and then watch your hair turning gray while waiting for it to start. I remember this happening when I saw Steve Forbert years ago. The show, scheduled for 9, didn't start till about 10:30...and when it did..the man was so full of himself that it was nauseating. I really liked his music at the time, but that experience pretty much turned me off to it after that.

And speaking of Steve Forbert, I was very amused several years later when he was in the crowd at one of Rick's shows. Rick called him up onstage to sing with him (they did "Do you wanna dance?") and then just walked off the stage and left him there. Rick was trying to give him the 'spotlight'..but that's not how Mr.Forbert saw it, as we found out later on when he opened the backstage door and called Rick an "a**h**e". Rick (always with that smile on his face) waved 'goodbye' and closed the door on him....and then kind of shook his head and said "f**kin professionals". A pretty funny moment.



Entered at Fri Oct 31 14:27:56 CET 2008 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject matter aside, from an artistic standpoint I think Mr. Forbert's song is simplistic & clumsy. As a songwriter, he certainly could have expressed his feelings about Rick in a more skillful manner. The absence of respect in his "tribute" brings one to question whether or not Mr. Forbert was truly a friend, or just another musician who crossed paths with Rick out on the endless highway.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 14:11:14 CET 2008 from dpc67142130029.direcpc.com (67.142.130.29)

Posted by:

Lil

I hear ya Dlew. "Oh to be home again...." :-)


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: nowhere near Old Virginny (that's Charlie Y. Territory - it's well looked after...)

Subject: Lil: Hi!

As I read your post re: Neil, I couldn't help but think of 'rockin' chair'...

But I can't see Neil ever being content 'soothing away all of (his) tears'.... :-D


Entered at Fri Oct 31 13:51:57 CET 2008 from dpc67142130029.direcpc.com (67.142.130.29)

Posted by:

Lil

I always like Steve Forbert's voice. I still do. I saw him with my cousin in the now defunct My Father's Place down on Long Island back in either the late 70's or early 80's. We were both excited to be going to see him.. and we left there majorly disappointed. He was incredibly rude to the audience, condescending and cocky. There was nothing nice about him at all. The show was not terrible, but his attitude certainly made it much less enjoyable than it could've been. I wouldn't go see him again.

As far as his "tribute" to Rick goes, I completely agree with Carol. I posted way back when in this GB when the song first came out that I thought it was a slap in the face to the whole of the man that Rick was, and I didn't then (and don't now) see it as a "tribute" at all. Whatever though. Rick will always be who Rick was, regardless of some self-serving song by some full-of-himself artist, or the uninformed opinions of others with those same personality traits.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 13:49:13 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

So now I'm listening to "Cahoots" in the car. The first thing that struck me is how relatively unspectacular the drumming and bassing are (with notable exceptions, of course). They're also mixed farther down than on the first two albums, it seems to me. The second was how great "4% Pantomine" is; I love the little yelps that Van emits - like right after Richard sings "table" for the last time. The third was how prescient "The Last Of The Blacksmiths" turned out to be, with rust-belt rejects (the blacksmiths) being expected to retrain for new careers in the "knowledge economy" (fingers frozen at the keyboard). The fourth was how Dylan's Brussels-muscles rhyme from "When I Paint My Masterpiece") was recycled ten years later by Men At Work in the song "Down Under".

Speaking of Australia, Steve, that hotel that Francey played at deserves its own theme song: maybe "Ayer's Cliff Rock".


Entered at Fri Oct 31 13:37:35 CET 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, "throwing a shovelful of dirt in our faces"? That's what I meant. Mentioning negative points about any Band member isn't throwing a shovelful of dirt in anyone's face. If so, the greatest culprits are Levon & Robbie who have had by far the most to say about various bits of dirty washing. Garth is the only one who comes out as never having told tales out of school, as far as I can see.

But here we're talking about a reference to a music video that has a song that is about a Band member. Is it of interest? Given that content, yes. I really don't feel any dirt was thrown. No one said "Wow, this song brings out the real story!' or anything.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 13:31:59 CET 2008 from dpc67142130029.direcpc.com (67.142.130.29)

Posted by:

Lil

Steve:

From "Time Magazine" interview with Neil Young, 2005.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1110988,00.html

TIME: Are you an American or Canadian citizen?

"I'm a Canadian. I'd like to vote in the U.S. election because I feel like I've got just as much right to vote in them as anybody else. I've lived here for so long, paid taxes for so long and my kids have to register for selective service. I guess I could be a dual citizen, but if I ever had to give up my Canadian citizenship to become American I wouldn't do it, because I wouldn't want to hurt Canada. I love Canada. As I get older, more and more I start singing about Canada. My wife's a California girl, so she loves to be near the ocean, and I love to be near her. So I'm probably going to be here longterm. But a part of me, I don't know, maybe I'll get a cabin up in Canada so when I'm older I can sit on the gold coast up in B.C. and look around. Or be up in the Rockies up there around Banff or something. I wouldn't mind going back, being part of it again"


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Posted by:

Jaynie

When I read Carol's Q&A with Steve Forbert, I picked up on the passive/aggressive tone of his answers. Who describes a person they supposedly love by pointing out their "warts?" If you factor in the story that Jeff shared with us, this so-called "tribute" becomes even more suspect. I don't think those who really love Rick were fooled. Considering the outpouring of grief at Rick's passing, I can see how someone might want to capitalize on that in order to sell a few more CDs. Of course, if you would do that, you really didn't know Rick.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 12:49:32 CET 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279725527.dsl.bell.ca (76.71.15.215)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

METH on STEVE FORBERT October 14, 2004

CM: Were you pals with Rick Danko?

SF: I knew Rick, I didn’t hang out with him for weeks on end, but we did shows together and we hung out some in Woodstock.

CM: When I first heard “Wild as the Wind” [the tribute to Danko] it reminded me of your earlier “House of Cards.” Of course, I didn’t know when you’d written “House of Cards” because it came out so much later. Do you feel a strong connection to the troubadours who came before you?

SF: I feel a pretty strong connection with people who keep it simple and who… The thing about Rick was he was a very giving person and performer. I hear people all over the country say, “He was so real,” and every time I saw him he was the same way. And he seemed to enjoy doing what he did. It didn’t have to be the full Band and, “However big or small; he played the biggest concerts and the little gigs” you know -- it didn’t matter. You look at people like Spalding Gray and what have you got? You’ve got a desk and a glass of water. You have no effects. That kind of thing—I just like that.

Thanks for your response Carol. I understand and appreciate your feelings and I'm sorry that the song hurts you so much. I think the fact that Steve called his song a tribute to Rick is where he loses Rick's fans. The other lyrics in the song however honour Rick. I do disagree with you that Steve is a mediocre songwriter.....His lyrics, his voice and his sound has helped me as I posted before to deal with grief and to deal with relationships in general. Afterall, Steve and I are around the same age so there's a lot there that I can connect with. When I found the recent video I didn't post it right away knowing that certain posters would comment on it....especially since it was coming from the evil brown eyed girl as well.....but then I thought....no....no one is going to censor me here or anywhere. The song is about Rick and it was a recent video and that's why I posted it because it's my job here to find Band related links. ;-D When Robbie puts out another recording I'll gladly move on.......Again.....I do appreciate that you wanted to understand Steve's thoughts and feelings around a song that has hurt many people. Again...I'm sorry that it stirs up pain for you and others who knew Rick or who loved him as an artist.


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Posted by:

Mike (Plochmann Lane)

Web: My link

Happy Halloween, everyone!


Entered at Fri Oct 31 12:39:33 CET 2008 from 21cust244.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.244)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Neil Canucklehead

NB, obviously math is not your strong suit.

Lil, Neil probably can vote in US elections, it would depend on whether or not he has taken out American citizenship, which I'm guessing he has.

He's been in the US for about 40 years and becoming a dual citizen would make living, working and coming and going from the US much easier. He's been married to an American women so applying for citizenship would be simple. Everyone in my family, wife and kids, are all dual citizens. 2 of my kids have ballots to vote in the election even though they've never lived there, they are citizens.

BEG, good thing you shed that skin.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 11:55:02 CET 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Morning Peter,

I find Bob's post apretty ccurate for the most part. When Carol gave him the chance to be a mensch Forbert could easily have apologized to all those who were hurt by the lyrics he wrote, and then made his explanation, his case for his song. Instead his response indicated that as far as he was concerned, the most significant aspect of Rick's life & personality was drug usage. I don't know how Carol held herself back, cause Forbert sure deserved to hear her completely emotional response. Of course, there is the liklihood that Forbert does know Rick was an incredible genius of a musician and a nice caring & considering guy, but is just a selfish, self centered bastard and in his need to defend his "song", overlooks everything but his self defense.

Far as Bob referring to Forbert as a jackass for putting the sung out there, well, throughout his career Forbert has prided himself on being a jackass. Talk to any musician or disc jockey that knows Forbert or people who worked with him in any way, it'll come up. Listen to the radio interviews Forbert gives, he says it himself, that he has a reputation for being a dickhead.

My possibly accurate interpretation of Bob's final statement, pondering the motivation for continued defense of Forbert & the song, well, it has been 4 or 5 times now that Angelina has brought that song up. Today's excavation was a pretty aggressive throwing of a shovelfull of the dirt in our faces. It is a wonderment.

Angie can bring up anything she wants. But to expect us not to respond or comment about this, and to expect anyone not to question why she does, and especially in the manner in which she did, would be wrong. A likely interpretation is that Angelina was just looking to start shit. Other possible interpretations would basically be wild speculation. All things considered, i think all the discussion that was returned to Angelina was very civil and restrained.

Heading out.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 11:00:50 CET 2008 from (81.22.77.157)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: The Band, fingers, and cultural borders

i decreted Chahine great because he retold a story of Joseph that matched my proper vision of the world, whatever are his aesthetical and logical stands. in the chapter "what did exactely happen for events which reached us recorded in biblical books", Historians are seemingly well equiped today to inform us of the exact frame, though i dont even credit any historian since they didnt lkive-witness the events, whatever are their acumen and technical tools of study. in the vein of that team of scientists who once found a desertic branch of the Red Sea where a strong tide flow phenomrnon was likely the Moses sea crossing, and so on was explained the column of fire as a spurting of petroleum, phenomenon still observable today, the 10 plagues of Egypt were scientifically explained one after the other by historians and scientists.
On the other hand, while there's no need to frustrate the mankind of a spiritual substance embedded inside an impressive way of storytelling which went through milleniums, but it could be a pleasant intellectual game to tell a la Chahine all the biblical facts from Adam to Queen of Saba - good luck
Paradoxically, far from thinking that this way of perceiving the facts is an reflex of positivism and an instinct of herezy, i believe it is the highest level of faith. what can be more faithful than to confirm the approximative Bible facts with a concrete substance. the true question to ask (dont look at my finger) is why miracles and supernatural facts stopped as soon as men progressed toward proof-based information, and nobody witnessed anymore any miracle since.

Here's a Band related story from History - circa 1750, the British military intelligence, in their unending plot to undermine the Ottoman empire, prepared a Marabout from Morocco called Boudali to steer up a revolt against the Turkish governor (Bey) of Constantine. The Brits had and incredible advance and an acute knowledge of the North-African man and his perception of religion, its importance in his lifestyle. After a period of study of the character, the Brits spies skilfully waited for Boudali somewhere in the Mediterrannean sea on his way back from the pilgrinage to Mecca, and the first encouter between the two occured when an officer called James Allenby [another one] appeared in front of Boudali's felucca, going out of the inside of a submarine, all alone without escort [yes! in 1750 a small size individual submarine in the deep Mediterranean sea, the skills and individual dedication of those Brits spies from the 18th century is amazing]. Speaking a fluent North-African, Allenby introduced himslef to Boudali and his staff of faithfuls as the prophet Jonas going out the belly of the whale just to invest him with the divine mission to raise the Berber tribes from the North against the Ottoman governor of Constantine. As he saluted him huryuing back inside the whale digestive tract, Allenby-Jonas and God's servant Boudali agreed on further instructions concerning the upcoming revolution. That's what he did, being a Shariff, he had enough influence on the Berber tribes to raize a respectable popular army which waged twice the sack of Constantine and massacred the Janissairs during the 1750's. However, it was more an anarchical jacquerie than a true revolt, after which Boudali retired in the mountains of Kabily, and unlike the usage the Ottoman Regency didnt retaliate as Boudali ended old in the most total oversight.


Entered at Fri Oct 31 10:35:26 CET 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Man Who Gave The Beatles Away

Going sideways, I found a copy of the 1975 book by Alan Williams "The Man Who Gave The Beatles Away." It reads like a novel, and his account of the early days as their manager are probably "tall tales" but no less entertaining for that. The various drummers BEFORE Pete Best are entertaining in themself. You can't believe his account of their first trip to Hamburg, but then you turn to the photos and yes, it's all there just as he describes it. Setting off with ten people in a little Bedford van with a primus stove for tea, and some sandwiches. There's a picture of them sitting on a war memorial in Holland. There's the van being loaded on a ship.

It does relate to the theme of dope, because the story of Dylan turning The Beatles on is so widespread. Reading Williams' description of the clubs in Liverpool and Hamburg in 1960 to 1961, and the strong Jamaican influence in the inner circles, I would reckon that the often quoted scene was The Beatles "putting Dylan on" rather than "Dylan turning The Beatles on".


Entered at Fri Oct 31 10:25:00 CET 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Forbert continued. Carol, my point wasn’t your post at all, it was the immediate knee-jerk reponse from our resident moral compass:

QUOTE: The song is anything but a tribute and he's a jackass for putting it out there. And the motivation to continue to defend him and the song is odd at best.

I was also noting the requests for continuous bowdlerization from the guy (Wart?) the week before, and that this is a regular theme from some posters. I think it’s the mildly paranoid “motivitation to continue to defend him is odd at best” that touched my splutter reaction. It’s a song. It’s about Rick. It’s out there. Why is there talk of “odd motivations”? Isn’t that a personal dig and off the point?

As you point out, the Band members have been totally candid about drug problems, look at Levon’s book for starters. I’m not harping on Japan (though it was another brick in the wall of the collapse of the 90s Band), but I am harping on the tendency of some people to want the statues to be shining white marble without a speck of pigeon shit. I think the subjects would find that desire amusing, that’s all. I also think the various addictions among them are a major part of the story, as I read it, and as Levon and Robbie have told it. And there’s no “sides” in it. Robbie wanted rid of The Band because it had become “totally drug infested” in his words. Then said they’d do more in the studio, but instead spent the next year or more snowblind watching old movies with Scorsese. Which was probably more entertaining than sitting around waiting for everyone to turn up at the studio. It’s such a common theme when you have five successful talented people … getting everyone firing on all cylinders simultaneously. After a certain amount of success, it’s extremely difficult and time-consuming to get everyone in the same place at the same time raring to go. It’s true of every band … Beatles, Stones, Eagles … all of them.

Jeff’s point about Steve Forbert possibly feeling snubbed by Rick Danko is interesting, and sounds plausible.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks Abby.

Most interesting. Er, I guess you were right (which I'd already suggested...)

Although a couple of years back ... ;-)


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Posted by:

abby

Web: My link

Subject: uh...I think I was right

Hey, Dlew - this is for you. See the first link "Neil Young's Politics"


Entered at Fri Oct 31 05:25:50 CET 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Zzz, in relation to your post, i'll reiterate one of the things I wrote the very first time Angelina posted the lyrics to that song here.

First, I'll point out to Peter that Angelina's first post today on ths subject was a pretty direct request for discussion. Actually she threw down the gauntlet. Angie's post was , hey this is Forbert's position,he don't fit in but he's original, and if you don't get it you're just a moron who would see a finger when someone show's you the moon. The ensuing discussion was no more than asked for.

while I do not pretend to read Forbert's mind, i'll retell the story of one event that may be the actual impetus for the song. And as Zzz points out, Forbert wouldn't have had the balls to sing this song to Rick. Of course, it would have had to be written a little differently, cause Rick'd have to be alive to hear it.

Discussing the Forbert song, a musician friend told me this story, and he is a legitimate source. The guy's a longtime fixture on the NYC music scene, and a decent guy. Has a clear head and even way about himself. It sure seemed to him that the song was payback to a dead man. At the Lonestar, backsatge, before a show, Forbert told Rick to stop doing what he was doing, cause he had a show to do. Forbert did not get the response he desired. Forbert went on, did his set, towards or at the end introduced a song and invited Rick up to perform it with him,and introduced him. Well, no Rick, Forbert called for Rick again. No Rick. Rick was there, but he wasn't having any. Forbert did the song himself, and was the none too pleased the rest of the evening.

Now, there may be no relation. It may just be coincidence. But, writing a song about Rick Danko, because you loved the guy, there a million other things to write about first.

Of course, if you attended The National Enquirer School of Songwriting, Wild As The Wind is a song you might want to pass off as art and a tribute.


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Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Steve Forbert/Peter

Peter--

I don't think anyone called Steve Forbert a liar. I certainly didn't. I don't think he had a sinister motive in writing the song--and shame on him if he did. Though he did have the slightest edge of an attitude about it, he sounded sincere in the fact that he *intended* the song as a tribute--but I *do* take offense to the characterization in question--not because I was "so close" to Rick or because I can't bear to hear anybody say anything negative about him, but because it is not an accurate characterization--and I *know* that it's not an accurate characterization. Now, if it bothers you that I *know* it's not accurate, well that's something else. And I don't think I have ever tried to sanitize or whitewash Rick's "image," for lack of a better word. Rick doesn't need his image whitewashed or sanitized. On the contrary, I think that people should see him for who he really was--a wonderful, complex, talented person who had moods and flaws and struggled with demons and weaknesses, just like every human being who's ever lived. In Rick's case, one of those struggles involved addiction--which, by the way, he never made a secret of--but the portrayal of him as a hapless druggie is wrong. That is *not* who Rick was, even if a mediocre songwriter whose claim to fame was that he was an extra in a Cyndi Lauper video says he was.

Just for the record: idol-worship and pedestals nauseate me; they're not necessary. Rick hated that crap, too. So, please tell me exactly who is trying to sanitize or whitewash anything where Rick is concerned, because I don't see it.

By the way Peter: why is it that you are so hung up on Japan? Who said it didn't happen? Who is pretending? I think Rick was pretty candid about it. I never heard him deny it or try to hide from it. But you seem to find the fact almost obsessively compelling--I'm a little concerned about you.


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Posted by:

dlew919 (risking yet another humbling...)

Subject: The place to put Garth, NB

Is near the piano, and a recording device....


Entered at Fri Oct 31 03:25:11 CET 2008 from (207.102.102.237)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Dlewsional Minds Want To Know (about Garth)

When one says Garth in the GB, the Hudson part is understood dlew. Unless of course you're talking about the Garth dude from Mike Meyers' "Wayne's World". Now while Meyers grew up maybe only five or ten miles from me, I never met him nor do I know his sidekick, Garth. So that only leaves our Garth. Now I know I've already lost Steve, but I know you're still with me so far, right dlew ? Actually Steve's still eavesdropping; just give me a second, and I'll get rid of him

STEVE: Is 1.5 singular or is 1.5 plural ?

Ok, it's just us now dlew cause that'll keep Steve busy for a while (ie. the rest of his so-called life).

In answer to your question, I don't wish to diminish my Awesome Powers or lose my Interprovincial Man of Mystery status so I musn't divulge too much. But let me just say that my friend Friendo (who knows Garth), ALSO knows the details of Garth coming out to stay on Northern Boy's expansive northern acreage. BEG also knows a few of the details. However, BEG and my friend Friendo are not only both extremely discreet individuals but they are also extremely discrete individuals (which only sounds redundant) and as such, will probably not disclose much either, other than to confirm that there's substance to what I am telling you. Northern Girl and I are so excited we can't decide whether to have Garth stay upstairs or downstairs. NB


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Norm

I knew you were a tugboat captain and a musician, but I didn't know you were a poet. What a lovely picture you painted.

Safe harbor home.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

I wonder if he would have been willing to sing that song to Rick's face... when he was alive... If so, I wonder how Rick would have responded... If not, then we all know what he is... In fact, why didn't he write and sing that song beforehand, given his stance... Maybe that's what bothers me... Who knows, maybe he could have even gotten Rick to sing it with him... then he'd be more worthy of discussion on The Band/Lou Reed Guestbook... hehehe... Did the moderators delete the lashing of BS?... I always miss the good stuff wink wink...


Entered at Fri Oct 31 02:13:22 CET 2008 from (207.81.196.79)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Nothwest

Subject: From the logue book

Thursday - October 30/08 - 03:10 hrs - Rarely at any time but especially this time of year do you get to round Cape Caution with, no wind and calm water. Tonight is the exception, a million stars, no wind, and a very gentle southwest ground swell rolling in, so as to make an easy motion on the ship. My company is the glow of the electronics, radar, GPS, and radio phones. From the old stereo drifts up the music, from a "Norm's Favourites" tape I made long ago, and listen to late at night, while I enter my postion to the logue. Richard Manuel's voice, always a comfort slips out, "Oh to be home again - down in old Virginny. With my very best friend, they call him Ragtime Willie," The line always reminds me of my old friend Lars. We need to get the rockin' chairs up close again, and share some stories and a drink........maybe a cup of cocoa. I pull the mike down, and call traffic.."Comox Traffic - the Westcoaster" -- "Westcoaster - Comox Traffic - good morning" --'Morning traffic, I'm just entering yer area, at Cape Caution - south bound running light, in bound for Port Hardy." Thank you Westcoaster, you have the Seaspan King north from Jeanette Islands with one empty log barge in tow...no other traffic. " Thank you traffic.....Westcoaster standing by." Now the Seaspan Kings comes in, "Westcoaster - the King, how's yer weather up on the Cape there tonight Norm? Rick, if it was any flatter, I'd figuer I was at home in the living room. Good Norm, that's what we want to hear..have a good one old son. Now as I slip below the Cape toward Storm Islands, Merle Haggard sings, "Whiteline Fever" The rinkles in my forhead, show the miles I put behind me, They continue to remind me, How fast I'm growin' oold, guess I'll die with this fever in my soul. I hope the wind in the trees is gentle this fall Lars. I'm away again at 05:00 tomorrow morning.........


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Hi Lil

We crossposted... I defer to both you and Abby. (One I might withstand - 2, never! ;-D). As I said, I got this from Rolling Stone, not the most reliable of sources. Not the least, mind, but... /n I'll shut up now!


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Neil and Eye Rack; Northern Boy

Hi Abby! - Neil did rail against terrorists and support the War and he Bush administration: of course, I don't hink he voted for Bush - he's Canadian! (d'Oh!)... but he certainly supported him for a bit. I think he may have gone astray again... he's certainly anti-bush now

Of course, I gleaned this from Rolling Stone, so I could be wrong. Or more accurately, am probably wrong...

and Northern, in the words of the man I most resemble, Max Smart, 'I hope I wasn't out of line with my insulting cracks!" :-D

(A cynic might say that you didn't say Garth HUDSON..., but I'm not a cynic!)

And this leaves us with one statement and one question: Do tell! How do you know Garth?


Entered at Fri Oct 31 01:50:13 CET 2008 from dpc67142130036.direcpc.com (67.142.130.36)

Posted by:

Lil

Dlew: (Hi :-) Neil Young is a Canadian Citizen.. he doesn't vote in US elections. And even if he could.. he wouldn't have voted for Dubya :-)


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Ayer's Cliff

Thanks Bill, I always enjoy the little musical journeys you send me on.

The Rockcliffe Hotel that the 63-66 Chevrons played in Ayers' Cliff is still there but is now called The Cliff House. It's the place David Francey played his first ever gig. He was talked into getting up on stage by a guitar playing friend, and they played about a dozen songs the two of them had been singing together while working on carpentry jobs. The rest, of course, is Canuckastani musical history.

NB The last time I saw Garth his thumb nail was all black from having given it a good whack with a hammer. Tell him Steve says hi and remind him that he left his coat here. Thanks


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: Neil Young - George Bush?

Dlew - no no no no no. No. I saw Neil on The Daily Show and he's not a George Bush supporter. I believe he was only a Reagan supporter - seems like someone (maybe on the Daily Show) asked him about the Reagan thing and he said something like sometimes people go astray..... Or maybe I didn't read your entire post and you were just jokiing?


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Posted by:

Kristie Lee

Subject: Thank you Bill M and Dlew

Thanks again for the recommendation. I am actually on my way to a great record store in Vancouver called Zulu. Hopefully they will have something. I am not sure if they have been mentioned yet, but there are a few new bands(mostly coming out of Seattle) that have very strong Band/Dylan influences(nothing new, but at least they have good taste), one of the best is called Fleet foxes. I saw them recently in Vancouver and they blew me away. Amazing harmonies. Their debut album is great, and I imagine they will only get better. A couple of others are The cave singers and Oskervil River. Both of which I am going to see in December. And have The Felice brothers been mentioned here? They are great and their organ work must have been inspired by Garth.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 23:58:51 CET 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I feel uncomfortable about this Steve Forbert thing. I totally respect Carol’s opinion as a colleague of Rick’s, and I can see how the song is offensive to close friends like Carol, and I’m sorry it exists because of that. But I don’t think it’s anyone else’s job to wade in from outside to apply whitewash and sanitization. We’re talking about humans with flaws, and the strength to be people who left wonderful memories to those whose lives they touched, in spite of those flaws. Forbert, I would assume, is telling the story which he saw. I mean, I don’t think anyone is calling him a liar? I actually don’t think it’s an especially good song, but you can’t pretend Japan didn’t happen. That’s the intrinsic historian in me speaking. I got a book a couple of years ago showing how Soviet Russia continually retouched photographs to fit the “truth” as it was that day. Surely you can admire and respect someone as a person without having to sweep the blemishes under the carpet? This comes up from our visitor last week who couldn't bear anything to be said that he perceived as even mildly negative about Dylan. These were people. Human beings. This isn't the Beatles Monthly Fanzine.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 23:45:33 CET 2008 from vance013.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.58)

Posted by:

NB

Subject: Garth's Arrival

You'll note I didn't use the word "place".


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: NB ... Garth is coming to your place?

Your place as in 'town'? or your place, as in your house, where you live... if so, I'll start being nice... ;-). If your town - is it for a concert? and will you be going? (I admit, that last quiestion might be rhetorical, like: does the pope sh*t in the woods, or is a bear catholic? (Actually, both of htose are negative rhetorical questions, so bad example... but you know what I mean.)


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Posted by:

bob w.

Forbert's insensitivity is pretty apparent when Carol Caffin (the person who clearly knew Rick far better than Forbert or anyone here) said, "But I know some people were hurt by some parts of Wild As the Wind and I was, too." and he responded, " They didn't know Rick Danko then. Or they just want to have some particular memory that's censored or something."

The song is anything but a tribute and he's a jackass for putting it out there. And the motivation to continue to defend him and the song is odd at best.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: the centre, looking up from down under...

Subject: JQ:

Hi JQ: it's a neat question, actually. Over here, of course, right-wing musicians (or at least openly right-wing musicians) are non-existent: but I thought I'd look at avowedly right-wingers (the liberal-democratic right, not those horrid Nazi thrash bands)... do any of them have substance to their music?

Ted Nugent: 'Cat Scratch Fever'; damn Yankees. Both great fun, and the Nuge's own energy is phenomenal...

Johnny Ramone: highly influential punk pioneer. But it was the Democrat Joey who wrote the lyrics (see - 'The KKK took my baby away' - written about Johnny stealing (and later marrying) Joey's girlfriend, or 'Bonzo goes to Bitburg' about Ronald Reagan

Neil Young: I believe he's gone of the GOP (he was in favour of Iraq, and voted for Bush in 2004, I believe)

Now it gets interesting...

Warren Zevon ...

Frank Zappa - actully a libertarian - would have probably preferred Ron Paul, i suspect

... and my mind has gone blank...


Entered at Thu Oct 30 22:10:37 CET 2008 from (77.241.97.180)

Posted by:

rainy day woman

this is beautiful. good people talking about the best band ever. may the psychos and nutcases, imposters and anynomous idiots, stay away from here. god bless you all. levon, please consider taking your ramble over to europe. please.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Tinderbox and Titus

I couldn't endorse more strongly Bill M.'s suggestion of the "Tinderbox" CD. It's even Dirtier and Farmier than Dirt Farmer, if such a thing is possible. It's brilliant musically and lyrically. Even the photography on and in the CD is terrific. The photographer has some amazing things in a book about the Mormons at his website. I would buy the photo on the CD cover if I could.

Beg: Thanks for the Libby T. sound sample. I've been curious about her voice for quite some time and am glad I finally heard it. Given her parentage, poor Amy was doomed to be a singer, wasn't she ?

PS. Garth is coming to my house and will be here in the next few days.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: BEG; Kristie Lee

Angelina: Happy anniversary to you and that lucky man ;-)

Kristie Lee - welcome back! I'm glad you found us



Entered at Thu Oct 30 21:49:20 CET 2008 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

While Dylan may ignore his former Band on his XM radio program, Tom Petty is the exact opposite on his "Buried Treasures" show. Today his playlist featured both "Chest Fever" and "It Makes No Difference".


Entered at Thu Oct 30 21:19:28 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Ayrescliffe / minor Canuck bands

Steve: The chronology at the link above is mostly for you, as you must know the town of Ayrescliffe, as mentioned on page 3. Among the members of the group, Chan Romero (the only American in the group) is the most important because he wrote "Hippy Hippy Shake". But his replacement, Hans Staymer, did quite well in the '70s. And two of the guys, Burgess and Terry, decamped in Quebec to join the Illustration (LP on Janus), who I remember seeing on a early Saturday afternoon teen US TV show around 1970.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: The Band is Back Prarie Fire

Here is one place that seems to have it.I Googled "The Band is Back DVD" and found some others too.


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Posted by:

Jean

Subject: The Band Is Back

I got my dvd from Amazon UK. I wasn't sure I was going to be able to play it because it is PAL and I think most North American dvd players are set for NTSC. We had this discussion on Little Pink a while back and it mostly went over my head. My plan was simply to try to play it and if it didn't play, I'd see about getting a dvd player that would play it (there are some pretty cheap PAL players available). I lucked out in that it does play on our older dvd player.

Now if I could just understand why they left off 'You Don't Know Me' and included 'Willie and the Hand Jive'...


Entered at Thu Oct 30 19:19:16 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

If it's true what they say about artists - that they just gotta get it out - then Steve Forbert, qua artist, just had to write that song. However, choosing to go beyond writing and actually record it for inclusion on a commercial album seems much closer to calculation than artistry.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 18:54:47 CET 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Steve Forbert

Hi BEG

I strive to be open-minded, objective, and non-judgmental when interviewing people, and this one was a little challenging. Steve was talking about emotion, his emotion concerning Rick, and my strictly emotional response would have been "Fuck off, Steve Forbert; you're not fit to carry Rick Danko's guitar."

But I put my emotions aside, because I really did want to hear (and wanted others to know) his point of view, I wanted to understand why he would sum up a man's life--someone larger than life, who had so many, many wonderful facets--with imagery of a wild child swooping down on a mound of cocaine, and being loaded backstage (which must have been hearsay, because Steve was in church at the time, serving as an altar boy).

I still have mixed feelings about the song; I want to believe that he intended it as a tribute, but his "intention" is not what is immortalized in song. People who knew Rick don't need to hear about what a good guy or an incredible talent he was--they know. But what about people who didn't know Rick, and hear this song, and mistakenly think this is the gist of Rick Danko? Well, that makes me sad, because that's not who Rick was.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 18:54:52 CET 2008 from srv872.sdc-dsc.gc.ca (198.103.223.52)

Posted by:

PrairieFire

Subject: RE: The Band is Back - DVD

I have been trying for years to find a copy and have checked everywhere. Anyone have any other ideas other than ebay? It would be very much appreciated.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 18:34:56 CET 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Peter, are you sure it's not decades? :-)


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Kristie Lee: Welcome back. I trust you had a great summer up there. As you've been open to my suggestions in the past, I'll bring your attention to the brilliant newish Fred Eaglesmith CD. Don't know about FanTan Alley, but there's an HMV in Vic isn't there?


Entered at Thu Oct 30 18:24:15 CET 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Following this morning's discussion I've had "Johnnie Be Eighty & Still Bad" on the player twice through today. In spite of many harsh words between me and Jeff over the months (though not years), I still recommend it most highly, as I always have. There is a point about how smooth an original analogue recording is. No one can quite define it, but all digital has a tiring quality that you can't define.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Think nothing weird of it Jeff - your recent mentions of your own work has just pushed the curiosity button in me to seek it out.., so I'm serious.., if you can point me to the site that has your work, I'd appreciate it.

And don't color me wrong on this but because I may have different passions, opinions, thoughts, points of view, et al..., doesn't mean I hold anything against anybody here or anywhere. I may get passionate about things, stubborn, ornory, arrogant towards others, what-have-you..., I shed that baggage quite quickly as it does nothing to promote my own being in a positive forward way.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 17:49:04 CET 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Libby Titus

BEG thanks for the Libby link. Now we know where Amy Helm gets some of her musical chops.

Re: The Band is Back DVD, check Ebay. Copies show up there.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 17:41:47 CET 2008 from s0106001c109f95ec.vc.shawcable.net (24.83.168.217)

Posted by:

kristie Lee

Subject: Back from the mountains

Hello all, after a summer spent climbing mountains I have returned only to find out I am way behind in all music related news(and all other news for that matter). I've got some reading to do...... Saw Dylan in Vancouver, and although I love the man....I wasn't aware he had turned into a lounge singer. And I am not sure but...I think he actually attempted the moonwalk!


Entered at Thu Oct 30 17:28:21 CET 2008 from (166.129.163.224)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: This is about music, it's only slightly political

Joe Perry of Aerosmith goes for McCain. Query - Can you tell a GOP musician by the shallow nature of their work?


Entered at Thu Oct 30 17:28:08 CET 2008 from srv872.sdc-dsc.gc.ca (198.103.223.52)

Posted by:

PrairieFire

Location: Canada

Subject: The Band is Back - DVD

Can someone help me find a copy of "The Band is Back"???


Entered at Thu Oct 30 17:23:12 CET 2008 from (38.116.192.100)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Hi back JeffOh! Yes Bill M...except when I do it...It's more of an evil brown eye. lol

Kidding aside....JeffOh! I think it's more than cool that you've worked with Levon Helm and Johnnie Johnson whom I've seen and have both of your recordings. It's even more special knowing that everytime I play these recordings that I think of the moon and morons and the finger!

"You can lean on me. But not too hard."

It's our Anniversary today!...The longest relationship that brown eyed girl has been in a very long time. Where was Rick Danko when I needed him?! Anyway, I survived and take things one day at a time. :-D


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Posted by:

Friend0

Speaking of Buddy Cage, the New Riders will be playing Dec 27 at the Bearsville Theatre, and Dec 30 in , of all places, Port Washington, Long Island. The Landmark at the Jean Rimsky Theater.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Angie, when you show a moron to the moon, the moon says "Hi, Moron!".

Peter, though he & I both post from AOL, Friend of Friend0 is not me, nor am I him. I've met him dozens of times, and it wasn't in the mirror.

Brien, i did send a caution sign for now. If you want to hear my stuff, I suggested internet listening or load for now. Of course, you've been in the GB since before I, and you were here when many were commenting on the respective albums at the time of releaae. So to act like this is new info is weird. To quote Rick Roberts, Chris Hillman, and Stephen Stills, "It Doesn't Matter" , but it is weird.


Entered at Thu Oct 30 16:41:28 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Moons and morons aside, do I see BEG showing the finger?


Entered at Thu Oct 30 16:37:23 CET 2008 from (38.116.192.100)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks David P.

Steve Forbert: “For me, it’s all about dealing with emotions. When Rick Danko died, I found I had some strong feelings over that, so I wrote about it. Songs are emotional creations,” he said."

Carol Caffin Interviews Steve Forbert (lucky you!)

CC: "Oh, I believe it too. I can definitely see it. Well, this is a little difficult. I believe in being truthful and I think Rick would want to be portrayed the way he was, warts and all. But I know some people were hurt by some parts of Wild As the Wind and I was, too. What do you say to friends and fans of Rick's who feel hurt or who feel that maybe certain lines shouldn't have been in the song?

SF: They didn't know Rick Danko then. Or they just want to have some particular memory that's censored or something. I just couldn't do my portrait of Rick in the song without it. I've seen him do that. I've seen him do it more than once. That's kinda like discussing 20th Century Spain and not mentioning the Spanish Civil War, you know?

CC: How did the song come about? What prompted it? You wrote it soon after he died, right?

SF: The song just sort of germinated with me in the couple of months after he died. I realized I've got a song about Rick here. It wasn't hard to write it because it was just my thoughts about him and how much we'd all miss him. It just came into those verses and it became a picture of him, so I just said "I'm gonna try and do a tribute song to him" But I couldn't not mention the drug use. I think it would be a little bit suspicious not to mention it. So I can say that I don't have any apologies about it. I wouldn't have written a song to create anything less than, you know... we loved him and we miss him and we're gonna miss him. He was one of a kind."

The quote was from Empty Now....maybe he was giving me the finger?!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Angelina, i don't believe anyone in this GB wanted Steve to change lyrics to the song. No one asked that. We discussed our opinions of the lryics. It's his song. It sucks, but it's his song.

I do think if he wanted to warn people to the dangers of substance abuse the song would be more appropriate if he sang it song on one of thos ecommercials and said "This is my brain on crack", or "this is my brain on coke" whichever he was more fond of.

You could tell that to his people.

What happens when you show a moron to the moon, Angie?


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Posted by:

Empty Now

David P: woops, were you alluding that TLW isn't expurgated of any mythical element ?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: the mote in your eye, just behind the log in mine

Subject: The Last Temptation: no temptation to buy actually...

Brilliant novel, brilliant movie, and Brien Sz, brilliant soundtrack. It was Peter Gabriel who did it, wasn't it?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

The soundtrack to The Last Temptation of Christ is superb...., how it was sourced, I have no idea.


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Posted by:

David P.

Empty Now: Were you referring to Scorsese's controversial "The Last Temptation of Christ", which he, along with his longtime collaborator Paul Schrader, adapted from the Nikos Kazantzakis novel?

Another great sounding CD, sourced from the original analog master, is Mobile Fidelity's recent gold-CD reissue of Linda Ronstadt's "Don't Cry Now". This 1973 album featured Ms. Ronstadt's fine cover versions of "Love Has No Pride", "Desperado" and Rick Roberts' "Colorado".


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: great Chahine

It was Egyptian director Youssef Chahine (1926-2008) who gave his friend Omar Sharif [born Michel Chalhoub] his first role in 1953 for“Fil-Wadi” ( A Story in the Valley) ”Al Mohager” (The Emigrant, 1994) is Chahine's most popular film, based on the story from the Bible of Joseph, banned in 1994 by Al-Azhar Islamic muftis, and in 1995 by Coptic religious authorities. In El-Mohager, Chahine expurgates Joseph’s story of its supernatural and mythical elements, suggests different motives for its characters' actions, and fills in the gaps in the biblical narrative. So he revisits the story from a pure rational perspective, resetting the context of a time when – just as it’s the case everywhere similar situations prevail –, there were people from the under-developed land of Canaan who traveled as freewill emigrants to the highly civilized Egypt, to improve their lives as wageworkers, and whose struggle against prejudice in their adopted homeland is the subject of the film. Shorn of his miraculous ability to receive and interpret dreams, Joseph still has something of a superiority complex, but his desire to improve his life, rather than simply settling for his family's hand-to-mouth existence, becomes his driving force, and it's the start of his interest in agriculture, so he became such a brilliant agricultural strategist, and gained enough experience to be able to advise on national agricultural policy
. Chahine’s quote from “Destiny…: ideas have wings, nobody can catch them
Roz: have ever watched a Chahine’s movie

Band Connection: didn’t Marty try the superhuman exercise to revisit Biblical narrative from a pure rational perspective, kinda to expurgate it of its supernatural and mythical elements, ….at least it’s what you watch in The Last Waltz


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Posted by:

Bill M

I know that Robbie Robertson was just one of the contributors to "Life Is A Carnival", but I'll bet he provided the title. It's fitting that his first brush with movies would be "Carny", as there are a surprising number of references in his Band songs to carnivals, circuses and medicine shows. Maybe not as many as to trains and railways, but still a lot.


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Posted by:

David P.

BEG Angelina: I listened to my LP copy of that self-titled Libby Titus album recently. Ms. Titus co-wrote "The Night You Took Me To Barbados In My Dreams" with Hirth (From Earth) Martinez, the quirky songwriter that Robbie & Garth worked with.

JQ: For a good CD, which was recorded on analog tape, I would recommend "The Dirty South" from the Drive-By Truckers. This album features Jason Isbell's "Danko/Manuel". Another great sounding CD, originally recorded on analog tape, is the new Mobile Fidelity gold-CD reissue of Little Feat's "Sailin' Shoes".


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Posted by:

Steve

Whack, Whack, Whack, "Split you fu*ing bastard!", Whack! There Brien, you've heard my work this morning though that was just a small sample. I apologize for the sound, I have to split wood in analog, my axe head is from the 40's or 50's and the handle, while my digits find it easy to work with, hasn't been upgraded from ash to a carbon fiber composite yet.

Joan, any word if that Banded songbird, J2Rs, has been approached to try and replicate the warblings of Mr Plant, yet? Mayybe it's a good thing for his career that HIS project with the, *Grim One, has ground to a halt.

* Special thanks to the Biggest Fellow for the loan of that handle.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Spelin erer

Sorry about the "Johnny" … it was probably because I've been listening to Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon this week having found an old 45 of Breaking Down The Walls of Heartache. It was thus a simple step to spelling the other Johnnie Johnson wrongly.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Steve Forbert and Rick Danko

When I first posted the lyrics to this song there was quite the uproar....understandably so. I told Steve's "people" and I was told that as an artist he wasn't going to change any lyrics because some people didn't want to hear them. I was also told that maybe Steve could only understand too well what Rick went through himself. Perhaps he was trying to warn others of the dangers of substance abuse? When I asked Buddy Cage.....He thought there was always an elephant in the room where Rick was concerned. I was one of the minority in the Guest Book that believed that if Steve called this song a tribute to Rick.....his intentions were just that.....warts and all. I do remember when Carol interviewed Steve about this on her Band Bites that the Guest Book community was a bit more forgiving of Steve. Anyway, I saw him perform this song live and do admit that when he got to the controversial line I tightened up because I received so much flack.....or Steve did....at the time. However, the crowd at Hugh's Room accepted what Steve created and continues to live with.

"Not fitting in forces you to be original."

"Show the moon to a moron, s/he will watch your finger."


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Jeff - you said you have cd's on Amazon? COuld you provide us a link? I'd be interested in hearing your work, as I'd be interested in hearing anyones work here in the GB.


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Posted by:

Friend of Friendo

Subject: FRIENDO"S TYIPNG er TyPIONG errr TYPING

Your kidding of course. (LOL)


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Posted by:

Friend0

Typo free liner notes & 8 page booklets aren't easy to accomplish Peter:-) First, I do all the typing. Then don't ask me how, but the graphics people, whom I love, somehow manage to discombobulate things, and there become all sorts of things to correct. It's heavy duty, I imagine you go through this sort of thing all the time with publishing stuff.

Now, I am late, and really gotta run


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Posted by:

Friend0

Peter, I checked my post. So I saw yours. "Even Peter" was meant as shorthand for saying that in spite of our differences Peter is man enough to state the truth on this subject. I don't type well in shorthand, it was a poor effort, and you don't understand shorthand well.

But I do thank you for giving me the opportunity to correct your spelling of Johnnie, you should know better, , and also thank you for the compliment, which I wasn't ask ing for specifically the way you did it. I just figured you'd say Jeff has ears. But,since you are being so nice, I'll thank you for the review you wrote, for Record Collector.

Sadly, i woudln't suggest anyone buy this cd right now. First of all, it might be impossible to get your hands on a brand new copy. I do own the sound recording and do have my tapes. So at some point I will be manufacturing again. For reasons I won't go into, i don't suggest anyone buy a used copy.

I have tried manufacturing this project again. Different factory. The factory was very highly reccomended by a music industry person who should know quality. They fucked up really bad. Both the printing and the sound. The sound was pitiful. I spoke nicely to the factory owner, who tried buklshitting me and danced every which way trying to figure out how to save the order and rerun it. Because I had caught him lying to me, I was not willing to allow him a second opoortunity. So I came down on him really hard , including sending a letter and a copy of the product to the person who sent me to him, and this guy begged,I mean begged me to take my money back and forget I ever dealt with him.

Anyway, in the process of all this, my master disc also doesn'tsound as good as it did before. What the fuck they did to it I don' now. So, before I make another run, I'm goingto do another flat transfer, tape to digital, no adjustments, like the first time. But it's over ayear since the last attemptto manufacture, and honestly, I don't know when I'm going to be doing all this.

While it's no secret I hate digital sound and downloads, if anyone that doesn't have it wants to hear it, it's on 40 some odd download sites, can be heard on Rhapsody as well.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Friend0:


i can even imagine a songwriter as a civil servant who manages the administrative schedule.
Program : according to the public bill, i have three songs to write today in order to fullfil the production deadline for the brown album
i can imagine a hits industry à la Holland-Dozier-Holland
i can imagine a lot of technicity and knowhow à la Paul Simon
but i cant imagine a song written without thoughts and feelings

from Youssef Chahine movie "Destiny, a biography of Averrhoes" in the link is what i call a song, all is built around the vocalize power of Mounir, / ally sotak ally sotak bil ghona / lissa al aghani momkina momkina / (sing loud, sing loud, while it's yet possible to sing)
all and everybody are shaken, see the reaction of the religious extremist to the song 3:00
of course, it's just a movie


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Posted by:

Friend0

JQ, if the question i think you asked is the question you asked, David can give you some examples quicker than I. while I've only heard it on the radio, Shelby Lynne's recent recording probably is an example of a recent analogue recording that sounds great.

I say probably because the chance of the factory screwing up the actual replication always exists. How labels manage quality control on sizeable replication orders they place, as opposed to how the replicators I've used, all reputable and reccomended, don't seem to manage quality control, is beyond me. But quality of replication is an issue. Me, personally (as opposed to impersonally, NB), I'm at the stage where I don't believe a disc will sound good till I hear it sound good myself.

Gotta run


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Posted by:

Peter V

"even Peter" is a back handed comment, but, yes, indeed, Jeff is being modest. Check out his album with Johnny Johnson, 'Johnny Be Eighty And Still Bad!' I'll quote Jeff's liner notes (typo free they are, too):

"What you hear recorded is real music. Like the old days. Everyone in the room … the music was cut live. The vocals were complete takes."


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Jeff: I'm in total agreement with you on sound quality

What I didn't say, and should have, was that the data must be stored properly - the way you do it, or an equivalent. The advantage of course is the rich treasure trove of small label stuff that ends up in someone's shed, gets mouldy, dies... but can be preserved on a digital medium...

Imagine, for example, some of the obscure labels of the 40s and 50s - now gone. Saving them onto a hard drive will save a ton of this good stuff... (A lot of sh*t will be kept as well, but better too much than not enough...)

The best storage device for information remains paper....


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Posted by:

Friend0

JQ,

I think you are asking if i can recomend a cd that was well recorded by analogue methods and sounds great. But I am not sure that is what you are asking. But if that is what you are asking, the answer is yes and no. No time now to explain that answer. If that is the question you are asking, if i answer it much later today or tomorrow, it is going to be a long answer. But, I can say that even Peter will tell you that I know from whence I speak on this subject.

Todd, FUV has played that version by Wilco & Fleet Foxes before. I heard it again yesterday.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thank you Todd. It was great that they thought of including foreigners as well.

"But there is one fascinating version I do have. In 1977, Libby Titus – who I think is generally forgotten today – recorded a version of the song that she titled “Kansas City (K.C. Lovin’)” and released it on her self-titled album. The album is pretty good, but is, I think, of additional interest because Titus is the ex-girlfriend (not ex-wife, as initially reported) of Levon Helm of The Band; Helm’s former bandmate Garth Hudson shows up on one track, and Robbie Robertson plays on one track and produced two of the tracks. (Producing the remaining tracks were, in various combinations, the intriguing trio of Paul Simon, Carly Simon and Phil Ramone.)

Among the other highlights of the album – which was released on CD some time back but is rare enough that copies of the CD sell for more than a hundred dollars (the LP itself can be pricey, too) – are Titus’ work on the classic song “Love Has No Pride,” which she co-wrote with Eric Kaz, and the slightly odd “The Night You Took Me to Barbados in My Dreams.” But “Kansas City (K.C. Lovin’),” with its own odd moment in the introduction, is likely the best thing on the album and one of the slinkier covers of the song I’ve ever heard.

Libby Titus – “Kansas City (K.C. Lovin’)” (1977) 3.4 MB mp3 at 128 kbps


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT
Web: My link

Subject: Wilco - semi political but mostly about music

Wilco is offering a free download at their website in exchange for a pledge to vote in the 2008 election. It's a live version of Wilco w/ Fleet Foxes doing 'I Shall Be Released' at a show in Bend, Oregon August 23, 2008.

It's not 'The Band' or Dylan, but it's a nice effort that Wilco fans will probably enjoy. Jeff Tweedy even offers up some falsetto later in the tune which seems like it must be an homage to Richard.

If you're outside the US or are unable to vote for any reason, there's another link on the page where you can download the track.

From Wilco: "We should add that if you are not a US citizen or for other reasons ineligible to vote, we'll settle for a good deed of your choosing (how about, for instance, giving someone who CAN vote a reminder phone call or a ride to the polls?)"


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: analog cd's

Jeff0 - Is there a specific CD that you can recommend as a great example of the quality difference you refer to?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Peter, Dlew. I'd rather listen to analogue recordings palyed on vinyl, or cds, broadcast on AM radio, than a lot of what i hear on FM radio digital broadcasts.on a good car stereo. WFUV is a frequent offender.

I have customers, who had no idea that i have recorded anything when we had this conversation. And they are not musicians, But i saw the couple had a good system, and that the guy liked to play music both times i was there discussing business. So,the second time i turned the conversation to music, discs, analogue,digital, radio. Without prompting the guy told me that he can't listen to radio, thta he shuts the radio all the time cause it sounds like shit. He is 33 years old. Says this is the first time in his life he doesn't have aturntable but is about to buy one.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I will submit to lashings for saying Dave instead of David.., I apologize for that, my bad.

I believe most folks got the spirit of what I was saying about mixing mastering..., maybe not but then again, the lack of sleep I'll get over will be nil

Lastly..., money, money, money, money, money ;)


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Posted by:

Peter V

… which is most likely down to the D/A converter in the player rather than the 1s and 0s.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dlew is right that for most of the world, listening to cruddy equipment makes the sound quality debate academic. I still laugh thinking of the sales guy who tried to sell me an MP3 player (instead of an iPod), assuring me that MP3 was way better quality than CD. I have to say playing around with Apple lossless files and a good connection, they not as good as CD to any listener with half an ear.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Dlew, you can't underestimate the high error rate in digital transfer. It can cost you your sound. Best of both worlds,what I do, record analogue, save everything on tape & hard drive both.

That said, every time i've transferred anything, it was after we mixed. So mixes complete, and run to 1"tape, we listened top the 1" tapes playback. Four of us. And Listened close. And then we also listened to the hard drive playabck. And listened close.

Next project, same process, different engineers, 3 of us , and we did the exact same thing. It's slow, and lengthy but necessary.

I've had things transferred digitally unsuccessfully years ago. Playback, things were missing. And also of course, other times, speed & other errors. Slight but you can hear it if you ain't deaf.


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Posted by:

Peter V

… and of course long rants by the leaders replayed endlessly with no breaks. That's when they sussed (because of the repetitions) that it couldn't be live.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Vinyl

A book many of you will enjoy:

The Long-player Goodbye: How Vinyl Changed the World by Travis Elborough

This is a history of recording (and funny as well as informative). several friends have also read and enjoyed it. You get stuff about the German WW2 magnetic tape recordings. On radio, no one noticed quality, byt they were puzzled how the German radio could have complete symphonies and even complete operas playing in the middle of the night with no breaks to change discs. One assumption was that they had ordered complete orchestras / opera casts to perform all night live. The answer was magnetic tape.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Brien, I'm taking a wild guess here, but I think by Dave & loud mixing you meant David. David was discussing loud mastering. Very different.Not even close.

Far as making the use of the studios expensive equipment, i'd think that getting the best mix that people could listen to on their tvs would be just that. Whether it be mixed low, loud or at medium sound levels.

Projection, well, I'm not concerned that you have much psycological astuteness or insight,, so forgive me if your crack doesn't cause me to consult a Freudian, Jungian, Voodoo healer, gypsy fortune teller, or dick doctor. Money is good, but money doesn't usually enter my decision making process on important decisions, and the majority of your posts, you seem to be rather proud of the fact that money heavily influences the majority of your decisions, especially the important ones. You're on record as money being what floats your boat. where this enters the picture is that you use money as a factor even in whether or not a reissue should be on a disc or vinyl.



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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: the digital age

Subject: A very poor (in both senses of the word) historian speaks up

One of the major advantages of digital (and I'm with Jeff on sound quality, though I'd also argue that for 90% of the population, cruddy equipment negates improved sound quality anyway....)

Where digital is inherently superior to analogue in in storage. It all breaks down to electronic pulses (0's and 1's in binary), and is as such, inherently transferable. While the media (cds, memory sticks, hard drives, DVDs) may break down, the information remains essentially good.

Provided, of course, there is a will, you can transfer from magnetic tape to record, or vice versa. But it costs, is more time-consuming and storage (in a properly controlled room) can be problematic...

Naturally, it's not perfect: transferring MAC to PC can be an issue; DVD to Digital tape, et cetera. But there's not he degrade in data....


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Manic Compression: From A Whisper To A Scream

Brien brings up an interesting point relating to television. Ever wonder why tv commercials seem to be so much louder than the actual programs? That's due to the use of compression and is one of the best examples to describe how that technolgy works.

The actual volume level of commercials can't exceed that of the loudest portions of the regular programming because of broadcasting limits. The difference is that the dynamic range of the sound of the programs, like that of music recordings, contains both soft & loud passages, with peaks that can't exceed the broadcasting limits. This is analogous to what Allen Toussaint once described in song as "From A Whisper To A Scream". What the producers of commercials do to achieve the loudness factor is to use compression technology to eliminate any soft passages (whispers) by pushing the sound to a constant level that matches the loudest peak level, like those of the screams.


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Posted by:

David P.

Magnetic tape recording was developed in Germany during the '30s. In the aftermath of World War II, several American officers attached to the signal corps & intelligence discovered recording machines and magnetic tape in German radio stations and brought them back to the States, where they were later analyzed & duplicated. It wasn't exactly rocket science, but the parallels in duplicating the advancements made by the Germans in developing rocket & recording technologies were similar.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Superb insights and conversation.., aside from Jeff possibly subconsciously projecting his own E.D. issues, the flow of info is terrific.

I essentially went the commerce route because when dealing with major labels, the bottom line is generally money and if the venture doesn't have a profit forcast in it, you would wonder why bother with the effort.

I would never argue about passion being a driving force. My whole life has been about living my passsion. I've been close to dead broke pursuing my passions but I never let it break my spirit - so on that count Jeff, I'm totally in your court.

I'm not a big vinyl shop guy but I''ve been in a few over the years because I think they are cool and worth the venture in. The crowd is always a mixed bag. The young ones - I'll say this is the under 30 crowd, are either looking for contemporary music for clubs and such. A lot of the other folks are collectors. These types of stores are niche stores though and big money isn't really what they are about.., save for the owner who no doubt has a passion for the vinyl but is also a business person.

Dave is right on about loud mixing. When I was producing in TV, the mixing process was often done at levels that no one would watch them at - the mix of msuic I can only imagine is much more intricate. One thing I used to do after some of the audio guys got done patting themselves on the back, was to take the tape or file and play it back on a "normal" system. If the sound was muddled at average levels, then I would insist on a remix because after all, very few people have the high-end systems that studios have to listen to playbacks. Working in TV, I wnated things that the average viewer could make sense of..., but at the same time you fight the battle of making the most of the upteen amounts of cash that the studio spent on the equipment, so they now want you to use it to full capacity because then why would they have spent the money on it in the first place if you weren't going to make the most out of what the technology offered.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Brien: "Money is what drives nearly everything" A really shitty way to listen to the sound of music.

Superior quality has nothing to do with large scale commerce. And the label execs bemoan the fact that they went for the quick revenue burst and made the switch to cd. It was the beginning of the end of the label system.

I tihnk it is very important to realize that money is not what drives true passion. Money may effect many outcomes involving true passion, but money is not what drives true passion. Money can buy a lot of things, but true passion ain't one of them.

Speaking for myself, my wallet never gave me a boner. And a woman attracted to my wallet, ain't worth having. And probably has very poor vision. And music doesn't sound better when my wallet is full. Unless it happens to be recorded analogue and properly replicated.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Perhaps a house can be too Pink

There is pink and then there is PINK!!! Glad its not in my neighborhood.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Led Zeppelin

For Julie: Led Zeppelin may tour w/o Robert Plant. Looking for a new singer.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Peter. No one has said anything to me about not being able to get tape. There was that scare, but I don't believe the factory closed. Back then there was some discussion that the quality may not be as good, but I've never heard it raised again.

Of course your field is different , but the conversation Simon and we were having references music.

The photographers I spoke to did say that you can spend time and put a lot of the old look back into a digital shot, but they still argue that even so, it is not as warm, and it is brittle and empty, not fully real looking to them. There were other adjectives they used that I forget presently.

Sorry to disappoint, but three paragraphs of response to you and the word mean just didn't pop up once!

Must be a record!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Jeff, isn't the issue not sourcing the equipment, but sourcing the tape? I thought supplies were drying up. On pops, I work in an area where you need reference sounds for people to copy. They can't copy pops. It's just a different field.

On photography, if you give a digital file to an adept Photoshop professional for half an hour, and ask them to give you a 1939 photo, I'd challenge you to tell the difference. They can emulate film effects, and once you're past the original transparency, and onto a print, you're into the digital dots of printing anyway.


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Posted by:

Peter V

On Bill's point … Decca in the UK had developed the "ffrr" (full frequency range response) system during WW2. It was developed so as to detect beeps from German submarines and record them, but it turned out it was a whole lot better (by accident) than the existing recording technology for 78 discs. It was heavily advertised in the 1950s and 1960s, and it's the reason why London-American records, made by Decca in the UK, are the most collectable of any label. They usually sourced the master tapes, and vinyl enthusiasts will prefer the Decca UK licensed pressing to the original American record (on Imperial, or Liberty or Monument or Kapp or whatever). I reckon the Canadian branch will have had closer UK links. I have no opinion on whether their preference is valid.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Ted jensen is one of the tops. I believe he is still at Sterling sound, but I could be wrong.

Peter, it is very simple. Many working musicians like analogue recording and analogue sound better because they hear the difference, they know what things actually sound like, and want their work to sound realistic and good. I rememebr that Shelby Lynne writing that someonr linked here. Where Shelby wrote sentiments similar in depth and fury to my own about digital recording. That when she recorded digitally she wanted to smash her guitar.

Far as analogue tape studios having disappeared, hell no. They are all over the place here in NY and the NY area. I knew of a good amount but found a new bunch of them by accident very early this year. I would imagine most large metro areas would still have a decent representation of them. Having the equipment properly maintenanced is one issue, and then having a great analogue engineer who still has his analogue chops is another. the studio may or may not have one that you are comfortable with, but there are plenty of great analogue engineers available. And they will travel. Many of them thrilled to have the opportunity to work analogue.

Digital is the devil.

Removing pops, is not what I would consider removing a sibilant sound, and not all pops should be removed either. Some of them are great.

Empty, in case i gave you the wrong impression, I hope you are aware that I value your GB membership. My statements have to do with past experience and a clear memory of being sure I understood a post of yours thoroughly, and then a later post of yours definitely made me realize that you meant something exactly opposite than my interpretation of your prior post. I did not comment about it, but someone else posted in The GB the exact experience i had in relation to those posts. So, by not answering questions I am not sure I understand, I'm just trying to avoid tsurres.

There are things that words in an internet forum cannot relate or replace. One of those is a smile, with eyes wrinkled full of crow's feet. I'm not sure I'm correct on this, but I'm certain from my side, I've considered you a friend.

Far as digital photography goes, I meet a decent amount of photographers. I've almost asked everyone which he prefers, digital or film, and they have always said analogue.And why. And their explanations agree with my eyes and also is similar to my perception of differences in warmth and tonal qualities of muisc in the digital/analogue discussion. A photographer who works shooting fashion models, lucky Aussie,mid to late 30s i'd say, laments the fact that he has to work digitally professionally. Plenty of other working photographers , older, who detest digital. I know two other photographers, a man and his wife in their 30s and twenties, and for reasons of my own I did not ask them which they preferred. But I saw their work, and it was clearly digital.



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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Say it LOUD?

Regarding the LOUDNESS trend in digital recordings, mastering engineers, on & off the record, shrug & throw their hands up. They face a dilemma, as they have to follow the wishes of the artists & industry figures who commission the work, even when they have to go against their better judgment to compromise the sound quality. It seems that the rule of thumb is too master the recordings extremely loud, so they'll stand out when listening to MP3 downloads. One engineer even cited an example of a label executive who complained that a certain mastering didn't sound good when he listened to it through his new iPhone!

Another recent amusing example has to do with the release of Metallica's new album, ironically entitled "Death Magnetic". It seems that even some of the fans of that heavy metal band are complaining that the album was mastered too loud, and they can't hear any details or dynamic range in the music. Some skeptics might say that these fans, like the members of the band, might have suffered hearing damage from listening to the music over the years, but that's not the case.

The Wall Street Journal, believe it or not, even did a report on the Metallica controversy. The engineer who mastered "Death Magnetic", Ted Jensen, was originally quoted as responding to email complaints by fans by saying "Believe me, I'm not proud to be associated with this one." He later expressed regret over his choice of words, but didn't deny his sentiment regarding the work.


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Posted by:

Bill M

A few years ago I took two copies of an obscure early '60s 45 to a studio to be recorded as part of an archival project. One was on a little US label, the other on a little Canadian label. The engineer, who really knows his stuff, said that as a rule he'd go with the latter, because the guys mastering it for Canada were generally of the British school, which focused on trying to keep the sound as 'true' as possible, whereas the American school would have tended to shape it for radio play. (Me, I haven't the foggiest.)


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Posted by:

Peter V

The digital debate is complex. We were doing spoken voice stuff with a producer with twenty-odd years of BBC live music recording behind him, and he swore digital was better (and the engineer agreed). He said people didn't like digital because they just weren't used to how much bass there was in a room with a live band, and how sharply the cymbals cut the air. He said people liked analogue because it was compressed and smoother, but it wasn't more realistic. BUT that doesn't explain why many (but not all) working musicians prefer analogue.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Even The DIGITAL Dick has been fired!

I think I realyed this story a couple of years ago but since the subject is back, here goes.

Montreal CBC radio had a recording engineer in the studio talking about Digital vs Analog recording. After he'd explained some of the differences in the way each reproduced sound he did a little test. Someone in the control room played two versions of several songs. one cd and one vinyl.

He was able to identify each format correctly over several songs. He also explained how to distinguish one from the other. I remember hiim having them replay small segments of songs and explaining what to listen for and it was quiet easy to tell one from the other once little clues like listening for the sustain on cymbals, which is the only one |I remember at the moment, were pointed out.

JQ, I have to agree about watching Levon up close playing drums as being a highlite of seeing a Ramble. It's what I spent most of my time doing. It's magical.

NB, I have to ask, Does my chewing gum lose it's flavour on the center post over the years?


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Posted by:

Bill M

I never liked "Cahoots" at all on vinyl, though for a long time it was the only Band CD I had. I don't recall why - maybe it was a christmas present, or maybe I was in a store in need of a fix (and cheap shit is better than no shit at all). But I loved it right away on CD. I also get a lot more out of Bigs Pink and Brown on CD than on vinyl, though that's likely because I've never owned a stereo anywhere near as good as the one in the car. Nothing on any of them makes me think, "Hey, what are you doing - that wasn't there before!" (like the aforementioned Beatles CD made me think). More "Wow, I didn't notice THAT before!". Which is a good thing.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Vinyl Siding

Relating to The Band's catalog, let's take it a step further. I recall reading an interview several years ago with mastering engineer Bob Ludwig, who worked on Band recordings over the years. He mentioned that, on the first two albums, that was a lot of low end on the master tape, which created a problem cutting the records back in the day. Without getting too technical, this is due to the physical characteristics involved with transferring sound onto the grooves in records. In order to compensate for this challenge, Capitol engineers would implement compression & EQ adjustments.

Too modern ears, especially younger ones who have been weaned on digital recordings and heavily-compressed MP3 downloads, the warm & dark characteristics of the sound of these Band master tapes might not fit their acquired tastes. Hence, the powers-to-be at Capitol, in seeking to brighten up the sound, get carried away by adding too much high frequency & volume. In order to accomplish the latter, they add too much compression, which subtracts from the dynamic range between the soft & loud passages of the music. The fancy equipment used for 24-bit transfers, on one hand, adds a degree of detail & clarity in separating the layers of voices & instruments, but also, when carried to the extreme, can result in a harsh, brittle sound.

What Capitol, in the U.S., did with the early Beatle recordings is yet another example. A label executive named Dave Dexter felt that the sound of the original Parlophone masters sent over from Britain were too dry for American tastes, especially for AM radio play. So he had the Capitol staff add additional echo & EQ adjustments for the American versions of the releases.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Empty and Bill M

Empty, you have given me a lot to "digest" and think about with that list. I've gone back 3 times already to reread.

Bill M: That Ian Tyson CD sounds interesting. As I've said before, I wish my budget could keep up with the music I want.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Re: CD sound quality, while I accept that things are always different when new technologies come to town, what I can't stand it then unjustified conceit shown so often by the people who remix old tapes. Listening to the Beatles 1 comp of #1 songs over the weekend, I had to wonder why some goofball in the '90s could have to the conclusion that the assembled talents and resources of the Beatles, George Martin, their recording engineer and their record company wouldn't have been able to assemble a product that sounded exactly like they wanted it to sound. And if the hand-clapping was mixed way way down, then that's what they were aiming at. (Fortunately, I haven't noticed similarly annoying lapses in the Band 24-bit remasters.)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Vinyl to CD

… and as well as CD characteristics carrying over to recent vinyl reissues, if you copy vinyl onto CD (without tampering with it) the resulting CD, in spite of being digital, has the same mix and compression, so carries over a degree of the analogue feel, especially with old mono 45s (which otherwise will have been tampered with many times). Which suggests it's all the tweaking that alters digital as well as the ones and zeros. But the Motown mono remasters sound great to me.


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Posted by:

David P.

The problem Peter cited with "In A Station" is a common example in the music industry. With all their modern equipment, including digital workstations, the music labels can't resist tampering with the sound of their recordings. So, when Capitol did their 24-bit remasters of The Band catalog, they boosted the levels of volume & compression, as well as the high end, instead of trying to capture of more faithful representation of the sound of the original analogue master.

Another problem, which I pointed out yesterday, is if the new Band LP reissues are sourced from digital copies also, instead of the analogue masters. Although the transfer to vinyl will add some analogue warmth, the digital anomalies would still be present.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Above is a link to 900+ concerts taped/broadcast over the last couple of years by the CBC - scrolling down is annoying, but you'll find people like Richard Thompson, Mary Margaret O'Hara, Jack Bruce, Ian Gillan, Ron Sexmith ... I didn't find Blackie and the Rodeo Kings' tribute to the Last Waltz (with Garth - and possibly Maud), but it should be around somewhere.

And below is a news release that arrived yesterday:

IAN TYSON TO RELEASE NEW STONY PLAIN CD WITH PERSONAL SONGS — AND A DRAMATICALLY “NEW” VOICE

Ian Tyson, the iconic Canadian songwriter and singer, has had a tough two years since his last album, 2005’s “Songs from the Gravel Road.”

“Dramatic change” hardly comes close to describing a difficult divorce, another broken love affair, and his recent 75th birthday, which he faced with a mixture of satisfaction and regret.

Now, with the release of “Yellowhead to Yellowstone and other Love Stories” on November 10, his long-time fans with discover something else: Ian Tyson has a new voice. It’s his 14th album for the Edmonton-based roots music label Stony Plain, and was produced by Nashville’s Harry Stinson, who did three CDs for the label with Corb Lund, and who’s worked with a who’s-who in Music City, from George Jones and Mary Stuart to Rodney Crowell and Steve Earle.

Ian Tyson’s “new voice”

Grainy, gravelly, and deeply emotional, one of the smoothest voices in Canadian music is now dramatically different. What happened? “Well, a couple of years ago,” says Tyson in a matter-of-fact tone, “I played the Havelock Jamboree, a big outdoor show in Ontario. I fought the sound system — and I lost.

“I knew I’d hurt my voice, and it was recovering slowly when I was hit with a bad virus, which seemed to last forever. My old voice isn’t coming back, the doctors told me, so I’ve had to get used to this new one.”

That has been a challenge, Tyson says, but he says audiences have warmed to it. “They seem to pay more attention, now, to the lyrics and the stories in the songs. And while I’ve lost some of the bottom end of my voice, the top range, oddly enough, is still there.”

The title song of the CD was co-written by Tyson with Stewart MacDougall, and tells the story of a pack of wolves transported from the Yellowhead Pass to Yellowstone Park, where the species had become extinct — told in the voice of one of the wolves who made the journey. Another remarkable song, contributed by Toronto songwriter Jay Aymar, is about hockey commentator Don Cherry and the death of his beloved wife, Rose.

The eight new songs by Tyson cover a range of emotions and stories relating to Alberta’s cultural landscape and the disappearing cowboy, as well as his personal life. The writer rarely tells exactly what they’re about, but expects his listeners to understand where the songs are coming from.

“Yellowhead to Yellowstone and other Love Stories” is being released November 10; Stony Plain is distributed nationally by Warner Music Canada.



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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ssssssssssssssssssss …

Analogue? Over 55? No. I could take you to three shops selling vinyl and it’s all young bands, with just a little rack of oldies LPs. The dance scene never abandoned vinyl. Sales year-on-year have doubled in the UK too. ALL the young British bands insist on a vinyl version. It’s a prestige thing. The point is that vinyl is relatively lo-tech. Do you remember those little records you could play with a pencil years ago? You could just hear the noise. We might all need lo-tech in a few years time. I would think analogue tape is dead though.

A Corvette … I’d love a classic Corvette. The brakes are crap, but it’s an object of beauty.

Sibillants … I’ve worked with spoken voice and a lot of trouble is taken nowadays to eradicate too much sibillance at source. Some actors have it vastly more than others. Like some have soft “r”s which is something I’d avoid like the plague on a reference recording for language teaching. If an actor has very strong sibillance, I don’t think they’d get repeat bookings for spoken voice work. And some very good screen actors do have strong sibillance. It gets magnified if you only have sound.

I don’t think it’s digital recording, but we had lots more trouble with sibillants circa 1978 than we do now. Because you always hear them live in the control room as they happen, I’d assumed it was the microphone technology that had changed. Isn’t the old sock and various other shields on mics there to reduce sibillance? And in language recording “popping consonants”. Try saying “T” as just totally isolated “t” … not ta or tu or ti. That’s a bastard to record.

While you can hear more from vinyl because of the too conservative limits put on the CD standard, sibillants are well into the spoken voice range, so you SHOULD hear them on any playback system. I’d assumed that they’d been deliberately cleaned off CD remasters. They are indeed part of the sound but some people find them irritating. BUT I just went and checked “In A Station” at high volume on my best system using the 24-bit remastered CD. The SSs are very sibilant in the places Simon mentioned. Do you have an earlier CD? They’re not as “bright” as the remasters, so would reveal less sibilance.

In a related way, older singers develop something of a “slush” sound. You can hear it in Paul Simon live recordings. I regard it as like the lees (i.e. dregs) in fine red wines. A sign of ageing, that’s all.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Vinyl Siding

To correct some misconceptions, I think a short primer regarding analogue recording is in order. Most of the classic recordings of the past were recorded on analogue tape and, subsequently, the major labels, for the most part, have these tapes stored in their vaults.

As an example, let's use The Band's "Music From Big Pink". This album was recorded on 4 and 8 track recorders and then those multi-tracks were mixed down to a 2-track stereo master tape. When the album was originally released, that master mix was then copied, with various degrees of EQ & compression applied, to another tape used to produce the metal cutting discs for manufacturing the records.

Years later, when Capitol produced the first CD version of "Music From Big Pink", they more than likely sourced it from second generation production copy, rather than searching through their vaults for the actual 2-track master tape. Although the album was remastered digitally for the CD, it was not remixed from the original studio multi-tracks. That process was only done for the later DVD-Audio version, which featured a surround sound version.

It's subject to debate, but other remastered CD versions of "Music From Big Pink", although sourced from the original master mix, feature some degree of alteration in the sound through digital EQ & compression adjustments. In other words, the CD versions were not flat transfers from the master tape.


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Posted by:

Friend0

I can see the news print now.

Man invents digital dick. Says he was inspired by a real dick in the Band GB. Interviewed for this story, inventor's wife says it looks and sounds the same. Asked "how does it feel?" she says she developed a terrible headache and has to go to sleep.

I had to turn the computerback on for this one before i left. was afraid NB or steve would beat me to the digital dick line.

Brien, i'll read what you have to say later, but somehow I doubt i'll be surprised by any of it. I'll doubt I agree with any of it too.

Commerce, and the quality of what is called art available on a large scale, only intersect to a small degree. Businessmen, bean counters, tend to overlook the quality of art and tend to pass other things off as art.

The word art has become more & more commercialized and lost alot of it's meaning.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

As for Corvettes and cars, they are collectibel commodities. Who collects analog equipment to the point that it has a collectible worth? It was a process to produce..., so the album being the final product is what is "the worth". Surely the technology behind what built the Corvette is worth nothing but notation, historical purposes, and history books because i can't imagine those same assembly lines and gear are being used today. I would venture a guess that they have been recycled or tossed.



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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Analoge better.., I woiuld think this is matter of opinion. If it was so highly valuable it would have stuck around. It would be of no great surprise that the flag wavers of analog are mostly over 55 plus. It had it's day in the sun and it has set. Sure the technology will stick around in small snippets here and there.., and I have no qualms with artistic vision.., hell.., I derive most of my income based on art but money is what drives nearly everything (for better or worse - plus as my last post said.., it is all mere speculation).

I was a hold out of digital technology and stayed shooting slide film longer than many of my contemporaries but it came to a point that in order to stay current and competitive, I had to shoot digital..., and now I couldn't imagine anything different - the flexibility to create a variety of artistic visions is way beyond what film offered. I still enjoy film, I shoot certain kinds of shots with it but just like the dinosaurs.., film will eventually come very close if not total extinction. Will the same happen to analog? Maybe not in our lifetime but surely it will fall into the dust heap. The fact is that analog technology went as far as it could go.., in a Darwinian sense, it evolved into digital and now digital is the technology from which the species is thriving and will continue to evolve. You can hold onto the past.., that is fine.., but the thing about the past is that it becomes more and more distant with every passing day. Analog may have its rights, needs and time to cling but its fate has been written.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Brien, you write "And who has analog equpiment on hand, surely it is antiquated technology for the most part now. Keeping equipment on hand that does not get used makes no corporate sense."

Antiquated euipment that does not get used.. Whoa there Brien. Getting rid of valuabe and useful equipment for far less than it is worth is what doesn't make sense. Kinda like selling a 62 korvette in 1975 when other vettes were in style. Now that 62 vette is worth a fortune. Thing s come back, tides turn. In the case of digital is wasn't hard for anyone with ears to realize that analoque sounds better and since this is recorded music we try to listen to,analogue would make a comeback. but to thos ewho kept it because it is better, hats off.

Being a bean counter in all regards just don't work when it comes to art. and eventually art will return to art. That is why the industries related to art arose in the first place. First it was passion for that art, then business entered.

I have to ask you, when you are a old man will you have your penis removed when it doesn't get hard as often and is used less? I mean , at that old age, when it just dangles and does more to take up space and gets caught in your zipper frequently wouldn't; it be easier to digitize a penis, just have a hole there? Or maybe it's worth keeping around for the mere memory and the odd chance?. Analogue is more than a mere memory, it is the best form in which to record music accurately.

Wish i could stick around, but gotta run.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: The Riddler

Empty, because of the our respective locations on the globe and how that effects posting times I always appreciate starting my day with one of your posts. It gets my brain humming first thing in the morning. It's the concepts, not the language, that always takes a little work but it's always worth it.

If I start out the day with a little mental gymnastics I'm better able to understand a geometric concept like fractals when it pops up in discussioon down at the sale barn. Thannks

Brien I'm also not a completist, and am thankful for it. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have a voice in my head nagging at me til I got every available released version of Robbie Robertson's self titled album, which reminds me, I got to get back to plowing hell's half acre.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Simon - vinyl double in sales is a good thing - but to what market? Scratchers for clubs and such? And what era of vinyl - is it more dance and contemporary that comprise those sales? I do not know. My point was, though the audiophile may want a resourced analog master to be remixed, would it be economically feasible for a company to do it that way - maybe - is it that much of a chore to take an analog master and digitize it for vinyl or is that a sin? And who has analog equpiment on hand, surely it is antiquated technology for the most part now. Keeping equipment on hand that does not get used makes no corporate sense. Now, however, if there was a sub company that was contracted for just this kind of work, then maybe it is a worthy effort. Of course this is all mere speculation on my part as one tries to break it down. But that's part of the reason for this GB.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Empty , till you wrote your interpretation of " list of miscellaneous feelings and states which invade the person before the song is done, lucidly rendered, a look from the inside." and included your sample illustrations, I had no understanding of what you were trying to say.

I am not emabarassed to admit that I'm dense. Maybe I missed a lot in the first video, hate to admit, I only watched a few seconds of the first one. But, again, it's in a language i have no understanding of. But as you know, I've generally always greatly appreciated your participation here. I've not always understood what you are saying but I've never commented about that unless you required me to. Often I have understood you, or thought I have, and enjoyed your points a lot. To quote you, " Okay, I'm wrong."

The song is interesting, and your points are too. If I could understand the song in it's original language it would probably have many aspects that could interest me.

These feelings being discussed, or others, may or may not invade a songwriter writing a song. But I can absolutely understand the desire to think they do, or the thought that they do. And maybe they do.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: near the bottom of the list, undoubtedly....

Subject: Empty Now....

'I learned a long time ago to appreciate the GBers proportionally to their usefulness to the rest of GBers, I meant the way they share with others parts of their science.' Emptty - you'd be near the top of usefulness here - keep posting that beautiful music.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Friend0 / Hal Sheikh projected in the Rock world

Friend0 : Thanks for your interest, and the series of posts – I consider a song : the formulation of words spelled under a melodic pattern which goes through centuries always the same air recognizable whoever is the performer – OK I’m wrong

songwriting issues have been the most overdiscussed thread in The Band GB, emphasizing on copyright credits indeed. First I would like to let you and the rest of the GBers know that all what I know about songwriting is that I never succeeded to compose the the 100th of a line for all my life.
Paradoxally, the way I stuck on that song and those lyrics reveals some kind of identification, , [maybe I have a soul of songwriter], I flashed because what I thought to find in it is unique, It is question of true, authentic, and sincere songwriter, a list of miscellaneous feelings and states which invade the person before the song is done, lucidly rendered, a look from the inside. I don’t remember every one ever experienced or even evoked this aspect of songwriting in The Band GB.
You’re right about misunderstandings being the source of trouble, the purpose of everybody here is not to understand everything, there is less merguez (sausage) and more music in pt2, GBers should just keep their humor fresh and don’t take seriously cultural borders, it’s irrelevant in an international forum, and an insult to The Band spirit…and I learned a long time ago to appreciate the GBers proportionally to their usefulness to the rest of GBers, I meant the way they share with others parts of their science. For my part, my most visible science currently is to click on a mouse to discover North-African musical treasure pieces randomly hosted on the Internet

Projected in the rock world, here’s a suggestive sample list by persons to illustrate my take of the lesson :
- frigate Captain saving everyday’s castaways and dissatisfied minds – Neil Young
- dancing shuffler giving charity to wandering tramps – Bruce Springsteen
- authoritarian Pasha casting opinions with shameless and regretless heart – Robbie Robertson
- drunkard in a gloom answering you with arrows – Bob Marley
- furious lunatic disagreeing with his own clothes – Joni Mitchell
- serene ecstatic tasting the sound of his voice in the beauty of harmony – John Lennon
- student filling books of divine inspiration with thoughts patterned in sublime verses – Bob Dylan

great post


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Port Washington

Guilty as charged.

My sister in law was a friend of Jobim. She did a great deal of work presenting Brazilian music here in the US. Her partner was Nelson Motta


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Posted by:

Friend0

Simon, The Jobim Trio, fronted by Milton Nascimiento, did a few shows here abouts last week. In Joisey. The Trio is Jobim's son, grandson, and one other gentleman.

I tend to listen to WBGO alot in the car. It's the jazz station out of Newark. Great all week. Saturdays it's a godsend. From real Gawd Damn early till late afternoon, nothing but great old blues and r &b, folowed by more modern old r& b, like 40s , 50s, 60s. Bob Porter, then Felix Hernandez shows. Stuff you just don't hear other places, often original versions of stuff we all grew up hearing covers of.

but by late Saturdcay afternoon, if in the car, I'll have to check what Pete Fornatale is up to on WFUV. Richie Furay spent a afternoon with him in Septemeber. Richie just released a live disc, Fornatale wrote the liner notes. He wrote phefuckingnomenal liner notes for poco's Deliverin , in 1968. Pete doesn't quite carry the punch he did back in the 70s and 80s, but then again, neither do i. But Pete does live in a better neighborhood. Port Washington, like one of our own here.


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Posted by:

Simon

You'd be surprised, Brien. The figures for vinyl sales in America have pretty much much doubled in the last couple of years. From 800,000 to 1.6 million. There's a growing demand in the UK too. There is a difference with good quality pressings on a good turntable and you don't have to spend lots either. The simple fact is the demand is there. I anticipate you'll use digital cameras as comparison but that's not really applicable - it's about the sampling rate for digital audio which is hopelessly inadequate IMHO and based on what was possible in 1983. Digital sounds fine at home but is truly dreadful pumped through a PA system at high volume. You're right about the completist thing, though. I recall buying High On The Hog and taking it back to the shop after a couple of listens. I swapped it for a Antonio Carlos Jobim album. No regrets there.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

SONIC STORM

MONDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2008

Levon Helm plays Gill's Farm in Hurley

POSTED BY JOHN W. BARRY AT 3:59 AM


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

What exactly could be done to the material that would make it "that" interesting to buy any of these reissues? Vinyl reissues sounds like a tax write off for a loss. What's the percentage of people who still own and use record players and then what percentage of that are Band fans and then what percentage of that is going to drop money on something that it is hard to fathom that the sound would be so different and unique that it would be worth the money to drop on it.

I am glad I do not suffer from that completist affliction. The cd reissues a few years back looks to be my last Band purchases, save for replacing. Now of record companies ever decide to release some interesting live stuff or if there were well mixed live stuff out there of the post LW Band I'd be very interested in hearing that. But as the more time goes on, the less likely anything of real note will come from the Band canon.


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Posted by:

Simon

I cross-posted and missed your second post, Jeff. Yeah, it's part of us and absolutely not something that needs eradicating. It's like classical guitarists who wince at a little bit of left hand 'fingersqueak' on the string windings - that's part of the deal and you can't avoid it, even with flatwounds. (BTW I was only asking Peter because that particular reissue was a UK only release ... I think it was part of a "Millennium Series" and they were quite pricey at around £18 or so). Interesting stuff though. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Regarding great vocalists and sibilants Simon, it's more than you hear them because it's natural. Great vocalists will emhasize the sibilants to their advantage.

Also, there's more than esses. Watch, catch, crush, etc , etc, there's more sibilant sounds.


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Posted by:

Simon

Jeff - Yeah, it's definitely always there to some degree because it's what we do when speaking/singing. I was curious if it was kind of ironed out in the process of conversion to digital. I haven't got round to getting a new cartridge for my turntable so I can't really compare and contrast. (Those Technics SL1200 decks are the dog's bollocks ... the Rolls Royce of turntables). I have to say it was extremely pronounced on this particular reissue, though. It's not something I can detect on, say, the AMH versions of those MFBP tracks. I'll go back and have another listen to some different versions.


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Posted by:

Friend0

BTW simon, i am fan of sibilants. Great singers know what to do with them, ow to deliver them. And it's one of those beautiful things in a recording. Another is when a vocalist and a instrumental note hit together perfectly, pitch and exact time, and you get a great harmonic effect. I've had those happen a few times. I have seen first hand how digitization can eliminate that beauty. Sure got a rise out of me and the Gawd Damn engineer won't ever forget it either.

So Simon, there are techniques to remove or lessen some sibilant sounds. And plain old poor or careless digitization can do it too. I forgot about all this, but you reminded me.

Still not Peter, hope you don't mind.


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Posted by:

Friend0

simon, whilst i certainly know I am not Peter, allow me the liberty to answer you any ways. It's vocal technique. Vocalists use sibilants,it's technique, it's singing. It's getting heard. It's part of a performance. Why you notice it more on one version of a Band recording, without listening to all your versions, and knowing something about the engineering, I couldn't tell you. But you should be hearing it on the old vinyl pressings. Betcha it's there, just not as pronounced, so you didn't notice it. But it's a vocal technique, not a recording or engineering technique. Things can get lost, especially in the digital word.


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Posted by:

Simon

Re. the Capitol From The Vaults series ... I just took it as read that they would be sourced from analog tapes. If they're not going to do that then I'll probably pass. I can't see anything on the site that mentions sourcing so I'll just wait and see what the consensus is. I assume that if they intended to use the analog masters they would've stated so prominently. Caveat emptor, and all that.

Dlew - It's a fair question. I would like a gatefold copy of MFBP but it's not a priority. The UK version had no photos whatsoever and a rather boring utilitarian back cover. The only original Band vinyl I own are Rock Of Ages (lime Capitol label) which sounds fabulous and Cahoots (with textured sleeve, lime label). It might not be their best album but Life Is A Carnival sounds far better than any CD version I own. All my other Band vinyl is/was thinner reissues, some of them on Capitol's budget 'Greenlight' series. And those were extremely cheap so no complaints in that respect.

Peter - One of the things I noticed about that MFBP LP reissue was what I believe is called "sibilance". Basically relating to any 'ess' sounds. On this edition I would hear "Fell asssleep until the moonlight woke me / and I could tassste your hair." Is that a) something on the master tapes b) something to do with tonearm and/or turntable set up c) something that is built in to analog that gets the Sonic Solutions treatment and disappears with digital transfer or d) something else (microphones)? It's something I've noticed on older blues and r&b recordings but I found it quite prominent on that MFBP reissue.


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Posted by:

Friend0

A walk across the street to buy dinner and the lightbulb goes off! By George, I Gawd Damn do know what the job of a songwriter is. It's to write a Gawd Damn song, Empty.

But see here Empty, it still gets tricky when you start definng the word song. What does the word song mean? And what does the phrase to write a song mean? I'm still not the right person to ask those questions. But I am afraid that I may hurt someone's feelings. Cause I suggested you ask Peter. You can still ask Peter all these here questions, but I'm afraid that if you do, you will have to impose a very narrow definition of the word mean in order to avoid all sorts of confusion, double ambiguitee and and double ambiguities. It will even get more difficult when it comes to any illustrations of songs or songwriting involving the work of one Bob Dylan.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Completism

I wouldn't buy another copy because it had a different serial number or whatever. I would if I thought there might be some ephemeral nuance of difference unlocked by the remastering … but that's one that's deceived me too many times now. I have two original vinyl copies of The Band.

I used to be a Band completist, looking for every session, but I got cured by buying a few of those sessions where you know Garth or Levon played on one track, but you don't know for sure which track, and you really can't tell exactly where when you listen, but there's a slight waft of accordion or tinkle of mandolin way back in the mix. For years I assumed that the presence of any Band member on a record was a seal of approval. Then I realized they had to make a living like anyone else. So I'm a reformed completist, but it is one day at a time. Whenever I see a session on What's New, the old amazon.co trigger fingers itches, but I don't press the button any more.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Empty, no reflecftion on you, but i never thought that it is possible to translate things from langauge to another and establish the same meaning and impact. The only chance that a song, poem, or novel has of thathappening is for the original writer to be the one doing it, and even then, I think a song or poem will not work the same way in another language. Might as well write a different song. Just my opinion.

Regards the rest of your post, i hate to take the chance offending you, but again, translation leaves alot to be desired. You speak english a hell of a lot better than I speak frenchor algerian, so, i sure don't mean to be critical.But like often happens, I just don't think I understand most of what you are saying or asking. Chances are you don't understand most ofwhat I say most of the time either. I'm guessing you think you do, but i'm betting a lot gets lost in the cultural and linguistic distance.

All that said, the only thing i know i could make out in that video is the words Log B'Omer, Rabbi Akiva, and what appear to be a whole hell of a lot of sausages. I may have heard some hebrew over the loudspeaker. I gave up after about 4 minutes.

Getting back to your posts, I think that in the first you are saying that the song deals with the job of the songwriter. And in this last post one thing you are doing (I suspect, but am not sure, that there are many) is asking me my opinion of what the writer is saying, or which I think is most accurate. Honestly, I'm not one to decide what the job of a songwriter is. You might might do better asking someone else. Peter would be a good person to ask.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Beneath The Covers

The main concern regarding Capitol's From The Vaults series is whether they're using the original analogue masters, or taking the easy way out by sourcing them from digital copies.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Completism - it's not a disease, it's a struggle for perfectionism

I'm just wondering, Peter, David P., Simon. Is it possible you will buy this? Or will it need to be 'right'? Or are you just looking? I'm just wondering, is all. I'm a failed completist - I usually run out of money before I complete a collection...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Vinyl reissues

I'd hope for the US gatefold sleeve on Big Pink, and the stipple effect on the cover on The Band (Toshiba managed to replicate that on CD). They got Big Pink SO wrong last time they did a vinyl remaster … as you say, the pink overprinting from 2 or 3 years later.


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Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Peter / David - The link above looks sort of official. I note the blurb says "All of the 'From The Capitol Vaults' vinyl packages feature carefully replicated artwork and packaging true to their original single or gatefold jacket LP releases." I hope this means that we get the gatefold version here in the UK, preferably without the garish blocky pink lettering on the front. I hope they put the barcodes on a sticker on the shrinkwrap, too.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Web: My link

Just out of the blue (no pun intended), in the humor Q & A in the Washington Post today by columnist Gene Weingarten (they were discussing politics and other stuff - see link if you want to) THIS appeared:

"Ellicott City, Md.: Is "Rocking Chair" the best song by the Band?

Gene Weingarten: No, but you've got the right album. The Band's brown album is probably the best folk-rock album of all time, and it contains the five best songs ever by The Band, which are, in order: Across the Great Divide, Rag Mama Rag, Jemima Surrender, The Night They Drive Old Dixie Down, and Rocking Chair. Unfaithful Servant" might be in the mix, too. An amazing album."

Then, a few minutes later:

"Theba, ND: Don't forget that "Up On Cripple Creek," with its great lyrics and fun ending ("But deep down, I'm kinda tempted/To go and see my Bessie again") is on that album too.

Gene Weingarten: You're right. Gad, what an album. A monster album.

Hey, when we were both about 25, Rick Danko and I looked almost identical. Practically indistinguishable."

And no, I don't believe he ever looked anything like Rick!

Jan F.


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Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: songwriting game

Thanks everyone who welcomed me, while in reality I was here, and even tempted to say that one month far from the GB, I was seeing almost every word written in the GB, though Bumbles absence surprised me a bit due to his natural aversion for Norwegian pinks I guess

Just a little disappointed that my translated song had no success in the GB, it’s a masterpiece. I said JRR in mind maybe Manuel too, closer to virtual reality GBers you should know that Friend0 is the only respectable songwriter attending the GB I was just curious how you take the lyrics Friend0. the bad song translation renders less than a 100th of his strength in reality, no matter if its inspirational source was from the Moslem tradition, it was written by a Saint from Nedroma, “petite bourgade d’Algérie”, it’s a masterpiece I believe it has reached universality. never underestimate the highly elitive saints of Nedroma, there are a lot you know. There is even a lane named “rabain sheriff”, translate “The 40 wise men street,” where else in the world can you find a street called “the 40 wise men street”?

for fun and given the credit I afford to the wisdom of the song [different states of mind of the authentic songwriter], I am just curious to know how every GBer see Friend0 right know - choose one item (for me the opportunity to better render the spirit of some verses) :

- a frigate Captain helping everyday’s castaways and saving dissatisfied minds on an offshore storm
- a dancing shuffler walking [his dawgs] on the stones, giving charity to the wandering tramps
- an authoritarian Pasha casting orders as everybody trembles of his opinion while his heart knows no shame nor regrets
- a drunkard in a gloom saying nothing but answering you with arrows
- a furious lunatic disagreeing with his own clothes and behaving as the children of Ham
- a serene ecstatic staying up at night tasting the sound of his own voice and the notes of his strings in the beauty of the harmony
- a student transcribing a scholar then filling books of divine inspiration with thoughts of his own clearly structured in sublime verses

Feel free to choose one item Friend0, but only on [wink]


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

The above is Bob Dylan, Larry Campbell and the boys paying tribute to George Harrison. Very nice after a shakey openning.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David … I'll guarantee they get the sleeves wrong.


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Posted by:

David P.

Peter: These two Band titles are part of the new EMI/Capitol "From The Vaults" series of LP reissues. I haven't heard them or seen a review yet.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: vinyl The Band

David what do you know about the 180 gram vinyl of The Band (advertised in the current Record Collector)? EMI did one years ago of Big Pink, which I have. The two are advertised together as new releases this month. Is it something that's been around?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Brown Album on Gold CD

Mastering engineer Steve Hoffman, through his website, has announced that among his upcoming projects will be a 24-karat gold CD version of "The Band" for the Audio Fidelity label. It will be sourced from the master tape, which has been made available on "loan".


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Fall Farm Festival

JQ, Thanks for the Ramble report. Sounds like you saw a really good one. Sorry that you didn’t have better weather, but once you’re in the barn the weather outside doesn’t seem to matter as much. I talked to Amy briefly on Sunday at the Gill Farm Festival in Hurley and she mentioned that Charlie Louvin had been at the Ramble the night before and it was really special.

The Sunday afternoon gig was a lot of fun. Levon’s Band put on a stellar performance for an enthusiastic crowd. His band was cookin’ and it’s always amazing to hear them live. It’s been almost a year since the last time I’ve seen them, and all the touring they’ve done this summer has made them even better, if such a thing is possible. Larry & Teresa were wonderful together on the Loretta Lynn tune ‘Whispering Sea’…. Teresa owned the vocal on that. Sly, knowing, and burning with a simmering intensity. Amy was great on ‘Bye, Bye My Love’ and ‘Everybody Loves a Winner’. She’s a fantastic Soul singer. Mike Merritt took care of the bottom end, playing the doghouse bass. Brian Mitchell stole the show with his Mardi-Gras tune, and THE HORNS, THE HORNS, THE HORNS! Truly amazing to hear these guys play together. ‘Deep Elem Blues’ blows away any other version that I’ve heard. Clark Gayton on trombone, and sometimes Tuba; Steve Bernstein on trumpet, and Erik Lawrence on sax kept a smile on Levon’s face the whole time with the three of them even walking out into the crowd New Orleans jazz band style, bringing it to the people….Levon loves his horns. I missed Jay Collins on sax, but the boys held it together quite well. Levon remains my favorite drummer and seemed to be having a lot of fun. When Larry is playing a solo, and Levon is drumming, it’s hard to know which one of them to watch….. two masters at work.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Before August and Everything After

Before their debut album was released, the Counting Crows performed at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1993. They played the music of inductee Van Morrison, who did not show, and were introduced by Robbie Robertson.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

BEG: that scene sounds like an outtake from the movie "I'm Not There." Some talented band should put together a fake bootleg of that with a "Season of the Witch" segue into "Like a Rolling Stone" and other such dream medleys...


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Re dumbancy

Look no further than the Founding Hawk Father for redumbancy. The Le Coq D'Or might be a good place to start.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

6th November 1965 Location: The Hilton, New York, U.S. Type: informal jam

"In the midst of the biggest power blackout ever known, Bob Dylan, Donovan and Robbie Robertson of The Band participate in a candlelit jam in Brian Jones's suite at the New York Hilton."

Source: MOJO magazine; Issue 24 - November 1995, p. 49 November 1965

Any info would be appreciated.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Jackie D… That's OK, hon

Thanks for the link. She's miming, but she has enough sense to use her long hair to hide the mouth in some of the hard bits. I loved the petulant little "No, was all he said." Hadn't noticed it on audio only, but the facial expression brings it out. It's a pretty good arrangement. I hadn't heard it for a while and it's better than I'd remembered. At least she doesn't roar all over it. It's closer to the original in mood than either the Diana Ross or the Aretha.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Peter V reminds me

Heard a couple of bizarre covers of the Weight today - one on Moog synthesiser, and a light jazz version by Tok Tok Tok... I'll try and post a link to them....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Happy Birthday to a pal of Lars......Sredni Vollmer who is here with the lads

2008 Artists Aid Autism benefit concert

Uploaded on September 2, 2008 by JerryPix


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Added: September 30, 2008 Outside the Midnight Ramble in Woodstock NY on 9/20/08, Little Sammy Davis & Fred Scribner go over the material they are going to play that night.

Jan H: Please don't encourage me! You're most welcome anyway. :-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jackie DeShannon - The Weight....(leaving out a verse). Who is introducing her here?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ace Songwriter Series

I know some have been collecting the Ace Songwriter series CDs as they emerge (three Leiber & Stoller, Goffin & King, Pomus & Schuman, Bert Berns, Burt Bacharach, early Randy Newman). Two have just come out … the Greenwich & Barry one, and today the Jackie DeShannon one. All lovingly restored rarities. The Jackie DeShannon has added interest as she had the sense to cover The Weight back in the day, and did OK with it too (#55 in the US chart). Anyway, that arrived today, so will replace the Greenwich & Barry one I've been listening to all week.


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Posted by:

rosalind

I have no reactions ---- I'm not here.

I'm there

" roslyn568atyahoodotcom "


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Peter M., Northern Boy

Peter M: I'm with you - in everything you wrote....

NB: 'the Stupid Idiot Bastard' - most often found driving, I've discovered. Of course, if everyone was like me and never made a mistake on the road, this species would die out... ;-)

And, it seems the stupid idiot is a protected species, with an aggressive breeding policy, so no hunting. don't let that stop you coming over here, though! (they are still a minority...)


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: Turtle Pond

Subject: stupid idiots???

I have to confess, I love the idiot, but I'm wary of the stupid. Next subject... Hey Carol, bring it on! You should hear the wonderful stuff Ian McLagen says about Levon, Garth, and the guys. Talk about RESPECT. Love ya, Peter


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: Zydecological Observatory by the turtle pond

Subject: squabbles?

Hey, I wanted/needed to comment on the GB activity. First, thanks Jan for the seemingly thankless task of maintaining order in the Wild West-like atmosphere here that takes place in the pseudodemocracity that is the Web. My apologies for the hotheaded emotions that flare up in this, your labor of love that is the Band site. That being said, my condolences to you for the agenda laden posts that you have to deal with daily. Nice job. I work in the mental health field, and I regret to say, your "job" is harder than mine (and I collect a paycheck!). We SO appreciate your efforts. I love to keep up with Garth's doings, info about Levon's Rambles, Shredni news, how Sammy is doing, who hates Robbie, insiders' opinions, Bumbles' take on it all, Roz's reactions to it all, and on, and on... We LOVE that you take it on (sometimes in the face of driven contrariness)and endeavor to bring us Band-centric information at this point in time. To the "Contrarians", cool it for fuck's sake! You're shitting in our living room!


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: just beyond Hope, BC.

Subject: Stupid Idiots of Australia

Have I got this straight ? An Idiot marries a Stupid and as then as offspring they have the hybrid (but not redundant) "Stupid Idiot". I suppose the out-of-wedlock variety is then the "Stupid Idiot Bastard" ? Anyway, that's fascinating Dlew and researching the species further is just one more reason I should come visit you. Can we maybe go hunt a bunch of them using helicopters ?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Paradox - near Hope

Subject: Northern Boy

NB: Before I trawl back and re-read your post, let me say that 'stupid idiot' is not a redundancy. Or at least, not where I live. Around here, there are idiots - your garden variety types, you know. Then there are stupid people.

For some reason, though, often these types find themselves attracted to each other, adn the Stupid Idiot is born. All of the stupidity of the idiot. All of the idiocy of the stupid. None of the entertainment value. whereas we can chuckle at the epic fail of the idiot, or have a retrospective laugh about the frustration which the stupid causes, there is nothing even slightly entertaining about the stupid idiot.

One example I know is of a man who claims to be a community worker, and also claims to be highly educated. Everything he's touched has turned to mould. His 'education' comes from a 'degree' in ecomomics from a private institution (in other words, he bought 3 years worh of propaganda), adn a 'degree' in theology from an institution which is considered such a joke, it is a punchline. (He's not a politician - he applied, but politicians were worried he'd ruin their good name in the community). Lawyers point to him as an example of how far not to fall.

but I'm absolutely with you for the rest!


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: Just Beyond Hope, BC,

Subject: Double Ambiguity, You Say ? (just silly stuff)

I'm more of a divergent than convergent thinker Jeff but here goes. I'd classify "double ambiguity" as redundancy, much like "frozen ice"," black negro", "stupid idiot", "the two twins" and my personal favourite, "paying customer". Hey wait a second, maybe "personal favourite" is redundant too ? If so, then "personal favourite" is my new personal favourite, which sounds doubly redundant. Now as for double redundancy, which only sounds like double ambiguity, it's when the aforementioned "paying customer" goes into a French Francais restaurant bistro and speaks rendundantese by telling the "garcon waiter" he'd like the "bisque soup" followed later by the "ham jambon", followed even "more later" by the "lamb agneu". I myself have done this on more than one occasion and have found that it is not only EXTREMELY, but is also HIGHLY efficacious in bringing about results (from the management running the place !) .

For instance, you might get asked the question "Sir, would you care to leave the premises ?", which mustn't be confused with redundancy. This is actually a rhetorical question, so it's more along the lines of "Hey NB, would you care for another Guinness ?", which clearly doesn't require a response either. Dlewsional (IOK), maybe you can find the ambiguity in my last post ? It's extremely subtle, yet in a non-obvious kind of way. Hint: it's not the word "mean". Let's give that one a rest. (PS. See why I must never be allowed to write a novel ?)


Entered at Tue Oct 28 04:37:40 CET 2008 from (199.106.94.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Rick Danko with Gene Clark and Friends

An old friend of mine made me a DVD copy of one of the 20th anniversary Byrds tribute shows featuring Rick Danko with Gene Clark, Blondie Chaplin and others. Most of the songs on the video are Gene Clark vocals, but it was really fun to see Rick Danko singing backup on "Sail On Sailor," the Beach Boys' song with lead vocals by Blondie Chaplin.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 02:59:39 CET 2008 from (66.183.155.115)

Posted by:

Bonk

Location: SaltSpring Island

Subject: Roz

Roz. Take a minute to think about it. Like Levon used to say "Let's roll one and chill a little". Always the gentleman. I know what you're saying about the school thing. Being raised in a place called Cabbagetown in Toronto I immediately got my back up with the what I thought were new rules on this site. Then I just said fuck it and calmed down. After all it's not my site and I never put in the million hours that Jan has. So many times I've come on to the site and read some post from someone and ran to get a book on the subject because god damm, I missed that 20-30 years ago! If this site ever closes down completely were all fucked. Is it allowed to ask for someone's email addy?


Entered at Tue Oct 28 02:05:21 CET 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

roz

Subject: Bonk

Thanks Bonk but I ain't stayin' This guestbook is too much like school.

"Shush Shush Shush"

"Ohhh you're gonna get into trouble for that"

"I'm gonna tell on you..."

I hated school and.... it hated me


Entered at Tue Oct 28 01:53:33 CET 2008 from pool-71-181-225-69.sctnpa.east.verizon.net (71.181.225.69)

Posted by:

Jaynie

Subject: Sredni/Jan

Happy Birthday Sredni! We miss you.

Let me add my thanks too, Jan! It's nice to have an informative AND friendly Band guestbook!


Entered at Tue Oct 28 01:53:23 CET 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Northern Nutjob, how do we classify the descriptive term " double ambiguitee". I'm thinking of it as being used to describe a person who has a certain way with words.It is a craft, so i think it deserves a descriptive name. Best comparison I can think of is to double amputee. Though that is not a craft, but a condition.

But, then again, a double ambiguity is a condition of a term too. So we may have a double ambigutee committing double ambiguities.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 01:43:20 CET 2008 from www-cachee.usyd.edu.au (129.78.64.100)

Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Deep appreciation, just before Hope...

Subject: C arol; Jan

Carol - I guess I don't want you to do those BandBites - I'd only give my right eye to see them. ;-)

And, while we're all at it - thanks Jan.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 01:39:30 CET 2008 from cpe-98-14-104-156.nyc.res.rr.com (98.14.104.156)

Posted by:

Eddie

Location: NYC

Subject: Sredni Vollmer

Happy Brithday Sredni, always enjoyed your harp playing with Rick down at the Lone Star Cafe and Folk City.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 01:36:24 CET 2008 from (66.183.155.115)

Posted by:

Bonk

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: Roz

Roz. Good to see you back. Love your sense of humour. Like JH said most of them are not really gone if you look close. We just have to keep the posts to things pertaining to Music and the Band. But of course with a lot of humour thrown in. Like you I hate walking on eggshells. But sometimes we do go off on some tangent that has nothing to do with what the site was built for. Personally, and I guess being a Canuck, I hated all the shit about the Presidential race. Also I never really got what someone assumed was a bad post in some cases. So I keep reminding myself that what may be acceptable banter in our part of the woods might not really cut it in other parts of the world. Anyways, you are a good soul and hope to see more of you here.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 00:55:20 CET 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

Just checkin' to see if it was mine? I could never figure out why you deleted my others in the first place.


Entered at Tue Oct 28 00:41:58 CET 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279725216.dsl.bell.ca (76.71.14.160)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Take a spin with your Bobness.....Complete songs if you click on the progressive left side. ;-D

"Something there is about you

that strikes a match in me."

"Something there is about you that brings back a long-forgotten truth."

Kevin J and Simon: I only liked "Every Grain Of Sand" on "Shot Of Love" so I sold the CD as I'm no longer a completist but downloaded the one song for eternity. :-D


Entered at Mon Oct 27 23:53:15 CET 2008 from host86-148-200-244.range86-148.btcentralplus.com (86.148.200.244)

Posted by:

Simon

James Dearing - The only thing I can add to your instrumental list would be Levon playing guitar - When You Awake and Jemima Surrender spring to mind - and the very nifty instrument known as a melodica. They're usually, but not exclusively, made by Hohner. I believe Garth plays one on TNTDODD and Robbie plays one on Hobo Jungle. Not totally sure about that, maybe someone else could clarify. The top of the range 36 key ones aren't that expensive ... it's a portable instrument and you can always use a tube and lay the thing flat and play it two-handed. Most often associated with Augustus Pablo.

Brown eyed girl / Kevin J - I'm certainly a fan of "Every Grain of Sand" and "Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar". I can recall buying Biograph the day it came out - I think it was about £20 - and loving the live version of "Heart of Mine". When I subsequently was given a copy of "Shot of Love" I went straight for the studio cut of "Heart ..." and was puzzled that Bob Dylan had elected to put what sounded like a rehearsal of the track on the LP. I just assumed I'd got a mispressing or something.

One obscure-ish song I love is "Rita May." It's odd that it's only available on the Australian "Masterpieces" collection. (As far as I know).

Last but not least ... a big shout out to Jan for his hospitality.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 23:26:21 CET 2008 from vance013.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.58)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Neil Young in Vancouver

Neil apparently did a great job at GM Place last week, doing all the old things you'd hope to hear as well as new material. The two hour trek in from Ramboville (Hope) would've made for quite the late night in the middle the work week, and I needed to be fresh for law enforcement the next day. Besides I'd kind of sworn off big venues.

But a friend who went said it was great so now in hindsight I'm feeling highly conflicted about not having gone. My friend clearly sensed my despondency over this and tried to make me feel better by letting me look at, and fondle, his really cool Neil T-shirt from the concert. He cut me off after about thirty seconds however, as he was wearing the shirt at the time. Probably best for both of us.

NB's Word of The Day: "disambiguation" - it sounds highly cool and may also possibly mean something. This depends on how you define "mean". (IOK)


Entered at Mon Oct 27 23:13:03 CET 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Kevin/Jeff/Lars/Jan/Sred

Kevin and Jeff-Thanks for your suggestions. I do have some Bites in the hopper--have been there for some time, but I put them on the back burner when the site closed, and have not yet had a chance to finish them. If people still want to read them, I will be glad to continue the series. And of course I want to write about people you guys are interested in.

Kevin, I appreciate your insight; now I don't feel bad that I missed Counting Crows live:-) I was perfectly happy with their first record but could feel schmaltziness rearing its ugly head even from the "Mr. Jones" video. As I said, "Accidentally in Love" did it for me; that one was just too embarrassing.

Lars, I can't believe Sred is 62. Please send a hug to him for me, if you don't mind. I miss him!

Jan--THANK YOU for all you have done and continue to do, and for bringing back the GB, which can be a wonderful place because there are many really nice and knowledgeable people here. Knowing that you are "manning the controls" makes it warm and cozy.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 23:05:46 CET 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279725216.dsl.bell.ca (76.71.14.160)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

From: luisenrique21x: "This is a rare take of "Ballad of Hollis Brown". (Dylan and The Band). Date: January 1974 NYC. Added: October 06, 2008

I totally dig Dylan with The Band.

I totally dig The Band with Dylan.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 23:04:47 CET 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Sredni

Thanks for that heads up Lars. I know he was a special person to Rick, and as a Dankette, anyone who likes Rick gets my vote. Please pass along my birthday wishes.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 21:57:47 CET 2008 from cpe-24-161-34-171.hvc.res.rr.com (24.161.34.171)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: deep left field

Subject: The Sredmeister

(All the best to you, Norbert.)

I just wanted to make sure that everybody knows that Sredni Vollmer is alive and well. He turns 62 tomorrow, Oct 28th.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 21:57:14 CET 2008 from c-61-68-98-163.hay.connect.net.au (61.68.98.163)

Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Big Nose City

Subject: John Cleese

All John cleese needed to do was Python. To follow it up with Fawlty Towers... (and I quite like A Fish Called Wanda, as well)


Entered at Mon Oct 27 21:41:19 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

The following snippet appears in a music industry newsletter produced by Larry Leblanc, a sometime visitor to the GB:

"++ Canadian guitarist John Gibbard [ex Crowbar] has launched a campaign to get Toronto sound equipment pioneer Peter Traynor recognized by Canada’s music industry. There’s a petition on Facebook under Groups/ Entertainment and Arts/General/Peter Traynor Award; and an online petition at: [see link above]. Considering the global popularity of Traynor amps and speakers, recognition for Pete is long overdue. Heck, I’d give him an industry award alone just for retooling guitars for Robbie Robertson in the early ‘60s."


Entered at Mon Oct 27 21:28:24 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Yes, according to the newspaper articles that've been appearing post-CD release. If David Wiffen's still performing, he's likely still saying, before singing "Gnostic Serenade" in the '70s, "Here's a song by Bill Hawkins, who's a great poet, and a great cab driver." Apparently a considerable amount of his early drinking was done while watching our guys, backing the other Hawkins on Yonge Street in the early '60s.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 21:24:04 CET 2008 from bas4-toronto06-1279310825.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.187.233)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Thanks for the information on Bill Hawkins. A perfect example of why I tune in to this place. I had never heard of him and quite obviously had no idea a tribute disc was in the works. The name drop of Chez FM reminded me that for a short period it was the hands down best FM rock station in Canada. You also have to wonder just how many guys wrote little ditties for the lovely Joni...


Entered at Mon Oct 27 21:04:34 CET 2008 from 21cust146.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.146)

Posted by:

Steve

And god bless the Cleese makers.

Beg, seems Peter picked up that thin skin you shed. I was surprised and pleased at what I thought was a mostly positive post concerning Peter.

Bill, is Hawkins still driiiviing a cab in Ottawa?


Entered at Mon Oct 27 20:53:39 CET 2008 from (85.255.44.145)

Posted by:

jh

We've survived the first month after reopening this forum. Hooray.

A few posts have been removed (actually, they're all still there, if you look closely...), one IP adress has been blocked (today), but all is still relatively well (may I ask a few of you gentlemen and ladies to duel it out somewhere else?).

Thanks to everyone who contribute positively to this place, for helping us keep the flame burning. A special thank-you to Brown Eyed Girl for her tireless scouting missions.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 20:31:12 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

There's something in this latest flurry that seems right out of "The Princess Bride". Little Wally Shawn trying to fake out the hero - "ah, but maybe you're arguing on your spare time" or whatever. As if Jan is so dense that he'd fail to see through such a juvenile plot to close down the GB.

BEG: Dreidels, I know from having a lame Don McLean song explained by a dj many moons ago, are tops. So it looks like you're tops in somebody else's books.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 20:24:31 CET 2008 from (70.134.76.65)

Posted by:

bob w.

Happy Birthday to John Cleese!


Entered at Mon Oct 27 19:57:38 CET 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Talk about ungrateful, Peter. Here I am , stepping up to the plate for you only because it is for the sake of this GB, and you try to make it into something else. You and BEG keep up the negativity Pete, it may help Walt get the place closed down.

You damn well know I was pointing out to Walt that Jan isn't coddling you, or anyone, and that people can disagree with you ( or anyone) here, like he has, without getting silenced. You know my advice to Walt was to not go after The GB, and the man running The Gb. That if you, Peter, deride musicians the way you did Dylan, he or anyone has the ability to disagree with you here. Unlike in Little Pink. Which was your private playground. It's no secret. This is not your private playground. Also no secret.

And You know Walt was going after The GB. You know exactly what he was doing and why. Essentially Walt's position has been Peter shuts up or I'll make this whole GB sorry Peter posts here. I asked him to back off of Jan. For all our sakes.

You Peter, are trying to make this into something else. If I want to bust your chops, I sure as hell don't need Walt to do it for me. And I sure as hell don't need a false premise.

Keep up the negativity, you & BEG will make it easier for Walt to accomplish what he set out to do.



Entered at Mon Oct 27 19:27:31 CET 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I read your post exactly the same way as BEG did, Jeff. It was transparently pretending to do one thing while slipping in more of the same old. Anyway, like politics, confine the personal stuff to the bin.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 19:15:50 CET 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Angelina!

Since You're A Big Girl Now I'll let you choose which applies regarding your post to me.

A) You've failed Reading Comprehension. In which case I can only say "Tough Noogies."

Or

B) You've qualified for the Dreidel Olympics!Congratulations are in order. Don't forget to lotion your hands nightly. Wear warm gloves in the winter, and carry proper insurance on those fingers.

Additionally, I'd like to point out that I've no issue with Peter posting here. I'd even venture to say I've brought a few smiles to his face here. Walt is the guy essentially trying to blackmail Peter out of posting here.

Nothing in your post makes sense re mine Angie. Maybe you can just try to blame it on the stomach flu and avoid fessing up and choosing A or B.

Do I sense an infomercial coming? For only $5.95, BEG will send you her tried & true secrets telling how you too can develop & perfect rash avoidance skills thru participation in The Band Guestbook.

I look forward to more of your links. If you ever get tired of using BEG, I'd propose using Mrs. James Dean AKA The Link Queen. You can drop the second part, just go with Mrs James Dean.

For those of you far away and not getting the reference, the largest prepackaged sausage link co here has to be Jimmy Dean. I know I glorified it a little with James, but Angie is worth it. Some of those links are rather good. Gawd Damn, I'll even spring for a pair of false finger nails for ya Angie.



Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:44:08 CET 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Another side of music management

Harold Kant. Lawyer for the Grateful Dead.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:42:01 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: addendum

Coincidentally, today's Globe has an article about the Bill Hawkins project; it quotes Robbie Robertson and mentions Joni and Jimi in passing - and a nifty little group with Amos Garrett and Darius Brubeck that played for Pierre Trudeau's victory party.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:39:03 CET 2008 from b12-arbiter-a.net.nih.gov (128.231.88.4)

Posted by:

Jan F.

BEG, I thought Jeff was being kind to Peter compared to posts in the past . . . . are we seeing a "kinder/gentler" Jeff??? No, Jeff, not "gentiler." ;-)

J.F.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:34:31 CET 2008 from c-75-72-126-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (75.72.126.40)

Posted by:

Zzzz

Loved your JR2 vote-no-on-prop-8 GB post, Angie... and that chapter 5 bankruptcy story as well... ~;^)


Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:20:47 CET 2008 from (38.116.192.96)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

FriendOHOHOHOH! I thought your post to Walt was about Walt and this Guest Book. It sounds like you're also throwing fiery darts at Peter as well. Surely Jan can speak for himself and I'm sure he has Peter's email. Sorry cyberbud, but I think you have crossed the line as well. It's one thing not to like someone but to try and pit most of the Guest Book against him is not acceptable. I'm just a Band fan.....that's all I am. I'm just expressing my opinion. Ok, now......send those same fiery darts back at me! ;-D I may be feeeling sluggish but my spirit's strong and I'm not as thin skinned as I used to be....I don't even get rashes anymore!!!!! LOL


Entered at Mon Oct 27 18:04:26 CET 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Just stating the obvious for BandBites, and who knows this better than Carol.

Blondie and Sredni. Probably already long in the bucket. If anything, the editing of many conversation/interviews would be a lengthy process to whittle down to a BandBite. I'd expect sizable contributions to a book from both.



Entered at Mon Oct 27 17:35:34 CET 2008 from bas4-toronto06-1279310825.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.187.233)

Posted by:

Kevin J

BEG: With respect to "Shot of Love", Every Grain of Sand may be the best song on the album but I've always felt that the "Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar" is the best staight out rocker that Dylan ever recorded. Plus, I 've always wanted to meet Claudette!

"What can I say about Claudette? Ain't seen her since January, She could be respectably married or running a whorehouse in Buenos Aires." - B. Dylan, 1981

Carol: Counting Crows - A fine debut release but sufferred from being just awful live like so many bands did from that era. Eight years of playing dives and dancehalls might have helped. Also, having the lead singer change the Dylan line to Alex Chilton in most live settings just seemed goofy. The Replacements fan were not impressed.

BandBites: Jason Isbell formerly of Drvie By Truckers would make a very good subject. Perhaps other bands that have been influenced by The Band also.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 17:08:33 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto
Web: My link

Subject: Bill Hawkins tribute CD

I see that the long-awaited tribute CD to the songs of Ottawa poet/songwriter William Hawkins has been released. Features performances by Bruce Cockburn, Murray McLauchlan, Brent Titcomb, Bill Stevenson (from Earth Opera, a blast from the past) et al. The best-known song, because it was recorded by Tom Rush, is the lovely "Gnostic Serenade":

"And finally, we are as the times are / we meet to part and go our separate ways / but I am trapped on this crazy star / I've been a prisoner all my days / Once we were young, and we laughed a lot / happiness wasn't peculiar like today / so I will give you everything everything you think I've got / just to prove it needn't remain this way ...


Entered at Mon Oct 27 17:08:00 CET 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Walt

I'm stepping out of the shadows a bit. If you have a gripe with someone here, and it is personal, not "musical", please take it to private email. I, for one, enjoy this GB very much. I really appreciate Jan for providing this place, and I would hate to lose it. Peace.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 15:55:18 CET 2008 from cpe-70-92-152-197.wi.res.rr.com (70.92.152.197)

Posted by:

DEE

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: Thanks to BEG

Hope you are feeling better!

Thanks for all of the recent links....I DO enjoy them.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 15:30:08 CET 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Empty N: Nice to see you back.

BEG: Thanks for the autobiog - whether four or five chapters long.

Tom Dressed by Teenagers: Welcome. Perth seems to be Australia's hotbed of Band-dom, as we had a Carol posting from there some years ago. (But not for a long time, unfortunately.)

Steve: Any idea where Bumbles is? I'm thinking he's in Miami F-L-A; not walking on the wild side, but doing his bit in the Grand Schlep.

David P: Thanks for pointing out the Shakespeare-Dylan link.

Do any of you know the work of Willie B Huff, who recorded blues for the LA-based Big Town label in the fifties? I picked up the three-CD set, "Bob Geddins' Big Town Records Story", last week because it includes at least eight songs by Frank Motley's Motley Crew (who seem to have been the first to bring rock and roll to the T-dot), but it Willie's work that stands out for me.

Fred: There was a long article about Stompin' Tom in the Saturday Globe.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 14:41:11 CET 2008 from c-61-68-98-163.hay.connect.net.au (61.68.98.163)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: And Carol (hit send too early)

Sorry to hear about Merl Saunders. With that resume, he could only have been great.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 14:39:28 CET 2008 from c-61-68-98-163.hay.connect.net.au (61.68.98.163)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Charlie Y; Carol

How are you? It was a lap steel (as the photo I posted before looking to see if anyone answered me) shows. Thanks, as always, for that. I need to look, but I don't think that's shown in the film?

Seeger was terrific. If he comes here, I'd consider going. /n That's how impressed I was... (admittedly, I'd doubt an 89 yo will travel here, but he seems fit), and staying away from what killed Jimi et al couldn't have hurt...

I miss the (non-abusive) politics, but if jh says no, I'm good with that.



Entered at Mon Oct 27 14:30:28 CET 2008 from c-61-68-98-163.hay.connect.net.au (61.68.98.163)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Getting back to music

Here's a picture of Richard on lap slide (not pedal steel as I misremembered)... that adds another instrument to the list!


Entered at Mon Oct 27 14:22:59 CET 2008 from (199.106.94.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Correction

award = away

I need coffee. It's a good thing we can't talk politics here.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 14:19:35 CET 2008 from user-12-191-208-183.irvineonline.net (12.191.208.183)

Posted by:

Mid

Location: The village

Subject: A smell of Woodstock in the air....

Take it in, it's that time of year.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 14:14:31 CET 2008 from (199.106.94.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Pete Seeger...and Lap Steel

Dlew: Thanks for the tip on that great Pete Seeger song from Letterman. I got to take my daughter to see Mr. Seeger a couple of years ago and it was amazing. I think the backing musicians for his Letterman appearances were members of a band called The Mammals including his grandson, Tao Rodriguez-Seeger. Pete stayed award from the things that killed Hendrix, Joplin and Morrison and lived longer than all them combined--and in 2008 he can sing better than Bob Dylan.

I think the instrument Richard Manuel played in that previously mentioned photo was the lap steel, perhaps best known for David Lindley's work behind Jackson Browne in that era.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 14:15:55 CET 2008 from ool-4b7f964a.static.optonline.net (75.127.150.74)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Merl Saunders

I was very sad to learn that Merl Saunders has passed away. I worked with Merl for a couple of years in the late 90s. I was introduced to him by Rick and did tour publicity for him as well as press for a couple of records. Merl played with the Grateful Dead and many others, including Miles Davis, and was an underrated keyboardist. Also a very cool, very intelligent, hip and youthful guy.

Most Band fans know Merl or know of him; he played with Rick in Japan. Merl was 74. God bless.


Entered at Mon Oct 27 14:09:27 CET 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Walt, There is no moderator here. There is a webmaster. The vast majority of us respect him, and all of us owe him a debt. He has done a hell of a lot to keep The Band's legacy as far to the fore of the internet as possible, and has done it in a classy way.

We all know how you feel about Peter, he brings it on himself and can deal with you on his own. He's earned that privilege. But I, and I am sure most others, would appreciate it if you showed Jan the respect he deserves, and if you would respect the wishes of those of us who would like to continue to be able to utilize this posting place. To diuscuss The Band and music in general. And maybe some other things. You, or anyone getting it closed down, would be sad. This is not Peter's private playground, like Little Pink was. We can answer Peter here, and crush his nuts when they deserve crushing. Just the fact that he can't tell anyone to fuck off, tha they will get deleted or banned, has to be a major difficulty for him. You can be your bippee he's been going to Moderator's Anonymous daily, sometimes twice a day. Ain't that good enough for you? You've crossed the line. So why not just leave it alone walt?


Entered at Mon Oct 27 13:04:06 CET 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279463496.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.16.72)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Sing it Robbie!

"I’ve been alive forever, And I wrote the very first song. I put the words and the melodies together, I am music, And I write the songs.

I write the songs that make the whole world sing. I write the songs of love and special thing s. I write the songs that make the young girls cry. I write the songs, I write the songs."

;-D


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Is There No End To His Arrogance?

Every time I start to warm up to Mr. I, Me, Mine, I'm sure to come face to face with an example of why I never quite get there.

While browsing ATGD for something else I came across J2Rs stated reason for not going back on the road with the Band, Post TLW.

"I'd made a movie ( don't tell Marty) and a three album set ( there's that nasty, almost mean, One Man Band Thing Again) about the fact the Band was over".


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: RIP Dee Dee Warwick

Dionne's no less talented, but far less famous sister...


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Posted by:

Steve

Hi Tom, my teenagers know the Band's music well, of course. They all have some on their Ipods which I guess is a positive comment about it. My older son who's 18 also has Bob Marley, Van Morrison, CCR, Bob Dylan, Beatles and Paul Simon music on his Pod.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Levon Helm playing a free concert at the Fall Farm Festival at John Gills Farm, Hurley, NY, this afternoon. About 200 yards from our house."

October 26, 2008 Photo by OmMane..."He was playing "the weight" when this picure was taken! "


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

In the year 1969...."The Band, formerly The Hawks who had been backing up Bob Dylan for a few years perform their 1st concert on their own. Robbie Robertson, Richard Manuel, Garth Hudson, Rick Danko and Levon Helm."


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Posted by:

Tom

Location: Perth Australia

Subject: the Weight

/nI was listening to the Local ABC radio station puttin on my tie.My daughter was sittin on the edge of the bed (she is my wardrobe advisor) when the first few notes of The Weight came on the radio.We both looked at each other and just smiled.The smile on her face just made my day!!Is it just me or do other Guestbooker,s teenage children have a strong affection for the Band?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Astral Weeks

Just read that Van Morrison will be performing Astral Weeks complete at the Hollywood Bowl in early November … with the original bass player and guitarist, now in they're 70s. There will be a CD and DVD.

Also, Record Collector has ads for new pressings of Music From Big Pink and The Band on 180 gram vinyl.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: richard's instruments

There's a fascinating photo form the Evangeline sessions of richard on a Pedal Steel (I think)... it's on the DVD cover... There certainly sounds like a pedal steel in the song... David P.? Confirmation?


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Posted by:

rosalind

"Happy Groundhog Day"


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

OOOPS! I forgot chapter V! Probably because that's the most difficult in anyone's life.

Autobiography in Five Short Chapters

I

I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in. I am lost...I am helpless It isn't my fault. It takes forever to find a way out.

II

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again I can't believe I am in this same place. But it isn't my fault. It still takes a long time to get out.

III

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it is there. I still fall in...it's a habit...but, My eyes are open. I know where I am It's my fault. I get out immediately.

IV

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it.

V

I walk down another street.

Author unknown.

Artist: BAND | Levon HELM File name: RA1008_BAND Photographer: RICHARD E AARON Date: ../../1976 Location: NEW YORK, NEW YORK, USA Caption: Levon Helm performing live onstage, singing and playing drums Credits: Richard E Aaron/Redferns/MUSICPICTURES.COM

Thank you for the review JQ.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ian Dury...Delusion of Grandeur? lol

Joan: I've also been taking Influenzium. Remember with homeopathics the remedy has to be matched to the individual re emotional and physical state. I have a couple of books where I try to prescribe for myself. When I can I visit my Naturopathic Doctor but my medical plan at work and our Health Care system doesn't cover. Thanks for your concern. Are you well enough now to go to concerts? I sure hope so!!!!

Autobiography in Five Short Chapters

I

I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in. I am lost...I am helpless It isn't my fault. It takes forever to find a way out.

II

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again I can't believe I am in this same place. But it isn't my fault. It still takes a long time to get out.

III

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it is there. I still fall in...it's a habit...but, My eyes are open. I know where I am It's my fault. I get out immediately.

IV

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it.

V

Bob Dylan - “Tell Tale Signs: The Bootleg Series Vol. 8 - Rare and Unreleased 1989-2006″ (2008) October 25, 2008 at 6:50 pm


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Posted by:

Jaynie

Subject: James D.

I believe Rick played mandolin also.


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Posted by:

James Dearing

Location: guitar player with the Sam Sweeny Band, Culpepper, VA

Subject: The Band

The Band was well known to be able to perform with different instruments. It's been a long time since I thought about it, but I remember them like this:

LEVON: drums, mandolin, bass, and harmonica

ROBBIE: guitar, piano

RICK: bass, guitar, and fiddle

RICHARD: piano, drums, harmonica (TLW)

GARTH: organ, piano, clavinet, accordian, and sax

Did I miss any other instruments?


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: JQ's Ramble Report

Thanks for that informative and well-written post. Based on the Ramble Vol 2. CD/DVD, particularly that great "I Want To Know" performance, I very much like the more soulful, belting side of Amy Helm that you alluded to and was disappointed she wasn't at the Ramble I attended. Maybe next time, though like you, I'm not exactly down the street from Levon.

You and others have commented on how great Levon's voice has been in the last few months. I wonder if it's coming back even further from all that it underwent. That would be great. He maybe only sang a total of 6 or 7 songs at my Ramble (Aug 07). I wonder if he's more physically capable now and therefore singing a few more at the current Rambles. Not that I'm at all complaining about what Levon delivered when I was there.

I still think a very modest stage would make the Ramble venue shall we say, even more perfect. I cheated a bit by putting my chair in front of one of those huge posts (beams) that run from floor to ceiling. When I wanted a better look I just stood up for a stretch, thus not blocking anyone else's view. It worked so well another guy even stole my technique !

JQ, I hope you were able to find some Guinness on tap later in order to punctuate such a great evening! Thanks again.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Walt, don't waste your time with it. Bring your positive stuff.

steve, thanks for the tip. Speaking of ginger, i get all kinds of ginger drinks, including ginger beer, in the caribean shops up the road a piece. Then there's one with peanuts in it too.


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Whose Robertson and Helm voting for. Obama for both of them probably right?


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Last Night's Ramble

Insofar as Woodstock goes it was pouring rain so there ain't much to report.

The night opened with Bill Keith's Saturday Night Bluegrass Band which was fine and a mellow, acoustic start to the night's music.

Then Charlie Louvin & his outfit: a hot shot Telly twang guy, bass, drum & Charlie. Quite a few 2 &1/2 minute songs, See The Big Man Cry & My Baby's Gone were the high points. His last CD came in 2nd to Dirt Farmer in the Grammy race. He came back on later and did Will The Circle Be Unbroken with Levon's band, big fun.

Levon came on at 9 & went until midnight. The set list was mostly the same as the MerleFest CD. I think the band was the usual line up but without Jimmy V; Larry Campbell was the only guitar player. The musicians' competence was evident immediately and the arrangements were well-suited for their chops. When the whole band pushed into it as one the sound was powerful and furious. There were 4 horn players that, with Levon, provided most of that thrust & verve.

One aspect that impressed & surprised me a bit was the quality of everybody's singing: Levon was passionate and his voice was in great form. I felt some unnecessary tension that his voice would crack or just shut off altogether, but it never did. Amy Helm's singing was different from what I knew of her from Ollabelle, she's more of a belter like her Pa. Theresa Campbell has a lovely, light voice which was well-suited for her country ballads, including Long Black Veil. She & Amy were great as soulful back-up singers too. Larry Campbell is a legit blues singer. And the piano player, Brian Mitchell, has a unique & oddly expressive singing style; he took the lead on a great New Orleans number and Simple Twist of Fate.

The other aspect that was a tremendous surprise (I know it shouldn't have been) was Levon's drumming. I can't recall the last time I was so impressed with a drummer. He worked his ass off all night and his skills were particularly evident on the Band songs and Rock & Roll Shoes, he's just such a great rock n roll fan. He reminded me mostly of Gene Krupa with all his enthusiasm & flare.

So now I'd reckon I'm like everybody else that's been and I too saw a once-in-a-lifetime performance in the best venue imaginable.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: There's an Ian Dury song about this …

Let’s put it this way. I dislike Starbucks Americanos. Their rivals, Costa and Nero do a better cup because they put the hot water in first and the coffee after. Simple. So I have my coffee at Nero or Costa, not Starbucks. Lots of people prefer Starbucks. That’s fine with me. What I don’t do is go into Starbucks every day and tell them I don’t like their coffee. Then if I got asked not to frequent Starbucks with my repetitive old compaints, I wouldn’t put on a false beard and go back and repeat the same as if I were someone else. Then after that, I wouldn’t put on a wig and moustache and repeat the exercise. To do so would make me a “disgruntled postal worker” (of two boys). It does astonish me how someone can work themselves up into such a frothing at the mouth state about complete strangers in Cyberspace. Then everytime they’re called on being … to put it mildly, an obsessive … say “Ha ha, I’m only having fun.’


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Posted by:

Jeb Stuart

Pelham

shepat1862atsbcglobaldotnet


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Misc

Norbert, I couldn't agree more about Lars. A true poet. a gentle caring man.

BEG: if you are trying homeopathics,look for Influenzinum, Carbo Vegetalis, and Nux Vomica. Also, non homeopathic, but very effective, Charcoal Caps. It absorbs all the "bad stuff".Feel better soon.

Best ginger ale I've ever had (Of those made commercially) is one called Vernors. It is made in the midwest. Not sold around NY. My friends used to ship it to me when they lived in Ohio.

Walt: Since Jan so kindly reopened this GB, I think it has been pretty good about sticking to the subject, which is music. Not all music, and musicians are good. Thus sometimes people will share their negative as well as positive opinions. Hopefully those opinions are not rancorous, and they do not engender rancor.


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Posted by:

Steve

Jeff, if you're looking for a ginger ale with real character, an old time ginger ale with real ginger, a Belfast styled ale, The Eastern Townships family owned, Bull's Head Beverage Company still makes a REAL GINGER ALE..

Founded in 1896, it's still family owned and even though it has almost died a couple of times it is now on the rise again and expanding slowly but steadily.

They no longer use real Jamaican ginger but the ale has a real ginger bite that hits the back of the throat. It's also less sweet by half than other ginger ales. You can google the company and get a look at their products.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Good Gawd Damn angie, Canada Dry ginger ale in the US ain't as good as canada dry ginger ale in the US USed to be. Neither is Dr Brown's anything, (cream root beer, celery or ginger ale), or Yodels, Ding Dongs, Twinkies, not one gawd damn thing. But are you telling me if i migrate north from southern canada it'll all taste like it used to? even the gawd damn pickles will be just as good? Save me a place!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi abby girl and Fred.....yup my grandparents would have said eat soup and drink gingerella....only the champagne of gingerales of course. Take note American posters....The Canada Dry gingerale in the USA is not the same! I know 'cause crabgrass brought a pack for me while I was staying with my friend in Greenwich Village and I was soooo disappointed.......but.......his heart was in the right place. :-D I gave him one of Landy's books on The Band and Dylan as well as Calm and I bought one for myself. I was lucky everyone.....red dirt girl price!

I'm also taking a homeopathic remedy called Gelsemium which takes away the chills and body aches. I'm off shortly to another acupuncture treatment for over all health and for my knees.

From the Roulette label.....Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks - Southern Love


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Daydream city - too much marking of university essays...

Subject: A couple of random thoughts - one on Pete Seeger, one on fort apache (1948)

did anyone see Pete Seeger on Letterman? I thought he was very good (particularly given he is 89!), and led the studio audience in a sing-a-long. He had a pretty good band, too... (While I rank Mr Seeger somewhere higher than Peter V. ;-), he's not a favourite of mine - however, he did impress me greatly on Letterman).

Secondly, one of the actresses in 'Fort Apache' (1948) (dir John Ford, starring John Wayne, Henry Fonda, shirley Temple, John Agar, Ward Bond) is Anna Lee. Wonder if there's a Weight connection?


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Ginger ale---the wonder elixisir

Angelina: don't forget to drink room temp ginger ale. It works wonders! (my grandmother's claim, not mine)


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Posted by:

Scott

Location: Canada

Subject: The band has to be the best!

Every Time i put the Band on, People are like that music sucks, it makes me mad cause the band has to be the best band ever, if i had no Band i would half to sit in "the Barn" While doing "stuff" and listen to music where the singer's dont feel the music, when the Band sang music they really sang it!


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: BEG and the bug

Hang in there, BEG - just when you think it's over, it ain't over. It has to be soup, soup and more soup. And, well, if you really get desperate for some TASTE, maybe on the way to work you might secretly grab you a/some doughnuts. Gooey, chocolatey, creme-filled doughnuts. With milk. Hide the empty bag before you get home.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

I think you are on to something there, Fred...


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: FRIEND0

As long as you got the diploma you may act like a high schooler! LOL


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Posted by:

Friend0

Walt, I don't know about you, but I never finished high school. So maybe this is Groundhog Day for me.

Really. I left after junior year. The school gave me a diploma a year later anyway. I'm not kidding.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: SIMON

Yes,Simon,in the spirit of your past kindness,you are correct--there are things i've learned here over the years.As for the complaints then--also correct--same problems as i mentioned in my prior posts & yes this place is very high school! The thing that lead me to respond now & then is when fans are critical of artist's personal lives or styles when those fans have never spent a minute with the people they call out with words like greedy,mean....It is usually the arrogant,pretensious types who resort to this & oddly enough the gentelman who calls Dylan mean here tends to write(not only here on the GB) with such great pretense that one might think he,himself wrote the music,the lyrics,etc. And,to be honest,as for it being "a bit overwrought"---you may want to view this a bit more realistically--it's only the internet--i can assure you cyberspace is not a context worth getting "overwrought" about.


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Posted by:

Fred

I've noticed that all these bands that supposedly sound like The Band seem to lack that R&B element that was fundamental to the sound and in the repertoire during The Band's early days.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Subject: Happy Creativity...

Jeff/Carol, don't tell me you guys are afraid of circus clowns... wink wink... I too think Adam has a masterpiece in him... Maybe he needs a weird collaboration to get it out... B52's, REM or something... clownish... maybe a band of those characters that hung out with Richard Gere Dylan in I'm Not There... Some of my fav CC tunes... the title track from Recovering the Satellites... I Wish I Was A Girl from This Desert Life... an acoustic version of Angels of the Silences from Across A Wire... Good Time off of Hard Candy... and if you saw the MTV "wooden music" thing... some of his intros to songs were cool... I like the piano on Long December too... There's some real passion and unique vocal things he does that feel creative in the vocal way Van does things or Cros and Nash... unique... takes you somewhere... I've got a boot with a snipit of Barely Out of Tuesday... that is just so spookey... like for a moment he's somewhere else... I'd say CC's have an ability to be more romantic too...


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Posted by:

Mike (Plochmann Lane)

Location: Sunapee, NH
Web: My link

Subject: Tupelo Music Hall in Londonderry, NH

Thanks, Jeff, on the Londonderry, NH heads up. You're probably referring to the Tupelo Music Hall where David "Honeyboy" Edwards, last living link to Robert Johnson will be performing Nov 9th. Loudon Wainwright III & Johnny Winters is also scheduled to perform there. The link is above. Thanks again, Jeff!


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Posted by:

Simon

Walt - First off, I don't spend any time at all going through the old (defunct) GB archives. Haven't done that for years and when I did it was because I was offline for the best part of six months. I might do at some point if I can be bothered downloading the pages before they disappear forever. Maybe it's just that I remember stuff? For example I remember the first time you posted ... you spent the first few days complaining about all and sundry. Then you complained about not getting a warm welcome from anybody. You know why I remember that? Because I was one of the people who said hello and welcome and that I'd be interested in your stories. Sorry but I think it's all a bit overwrought.

And it always fascinates me that people who post under different names don't make any effort whatsoever to disguise their signatures. And if you think people's interpretations of, say, lyrics are pretentious then I'd have to disagree ... there are many things that have been posted here that have made me think twice. I think it's ironic that you can bang on and on about something like that. Like, saying you've been reading this guestbook for years and years and you think it's a disgrace. Is there anything good you've gleaned from these pages? Anything at all?


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Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Zzzz, Jeff

Hi Zzzz-

I didn't really mean to compare them to grunge...it was more like something that I've always associated with the death of grunge, literally and figuratively. First it was the Wallflowers--and I thought they sounded slightly Band-like with a harder edge--and then came Counting Crows' mega-hit "Mr. Jones" right around the same time--a little before, I think--of Cobain's suicide. Maybe some of it was coincidence, but the melody driven roots-rock stuff really took hold from about 92 to 96 or so. I, too, like Pearl Jam and love Eddie Vedder's baritone. I know what you mean about "light-weight" and that's probably what's kept me from totally loving Counting Crows though, again, I think their debut was one of the best albums of the decade.

Jeff--no happy creativity for me! Always has to have a little angst and despair :-) I actually don't know CC's entire catalogue. As I said, their stuff got a little too "poppy" for me--or maybe it's that I have a hard time listening to them without picturing Shrek and Fiona kissing; not a pretty sight--but I agree with you about Duritz's talent. I don't think it's put on. His dreads may be, but to each his own.


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Carol, I think your Counting Crows comments are interesting... especially the comparison to grunge music... I actually love the Counting Crows and all their albums... even the commercial sounding ones... and never thought that Adam was all that pretentious... as some critics have said... I think they need to change some more though... because they really feel like Adam's band... in the sense that it really is his vocals and lyrics that drive everything... which is not like the Band... I'd like to see more than one star in that band someday... Unfortunately, to me... they appear a little light weight when compared to Pearl Jam, the best grunge act... which I am starting to think may be the best U.S. band ever...


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Posted by:

Friend0

Yep Carol, I agree completely about creativity and what is often a initial impetus to it, and one of the sources of it.Or, a siamese trait/gene.

Happy creativity is often just make up creating :-)

Complicated subject, youre on the money.

You know Counting Crow's catalogue far better than I. There are songs I recognize and like. The first big hit (Mr Jones"{, I also cracked up when I heard that line, I wanna be Bob Dylan, but the when everybody loves you part after kinda ruined it for me. I dug one more I knew, then the song with Riochard Manuel is dead, well, the line and the delivery, it does get you. The songs has something though it is far from a truly great song. And I've listened to a lot of Duritz's singing, and yeah, I agree with you, he can over do it. Bur , yeah, he's got something sometimes. And i hear the same influences you hear.

After reading his lengthy interview, i think Rolling Stone, and other things of his, I got the vibe that there may be a lot more to him, and that it is very possible this guy has a masterpiece performance to give. He's got blues,. Notice I didn't say The Blues. There is a enormous difference, But, he has a gift, and a talent, and may one day be able to go deep in a different direction than he now does. Who knows. But if he can ever tap in in a different way, it would be interesting.

Hey Walt, if you can put me in touch with him, you can be more than a gopher at the sessions. Same goes for anyone else.


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Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Jeff/Counting Crows

Jeff, yes I've heard Adam Duritz has dissociative disorder and problems with depression...but everybody has something and I don't think I've ever--not once--met a truly creative person who didn't suffer from depression and/or other demons.

Musically speaking, I think their first album was both a blessing and a curse, because it was really good *and* really commercial--they couldn't win in some people's eyes. So then they had the sophomore jinx to worry about, as well as people branding them as posers and fakes. I loved that first album, but was not crazy about what they did after that. When they recorded "Accidentally in Love," they really lost me, though I think Duritz is a talented songwriter and a good singer, when he doesn't "over-sing." I think I have an affection for them because of their love of The Band and Van Morrison, whose influence I can also hear. I heard some of the live stuff and it didn't move me, either.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Walt. Got to tell you, I'm glad Jan put this place back up. People wil say dumb things, and people will write ignorant things about musicians. Hopefully we can keep it to a minimum. On the other hand, some good will come out of this place. Tribute will be paid to The Band and musicians, information will be exchanged, and some friendships may be begun. In the long run, what outcome friendships made across the world may have, who knows. But I live just a few miles from where NB's brother was born, and I'll shoot pictures for his family. I pass the damn place every day, but keep forgetting to take my camera. Don't know how to download cell phone pics.

Info about music and gigs gets passed around. I been meaning to tell Mike & Kim that someone good is coming to Londonderry New Hampshire, i just can't remember whom. but I will find it. Boston too, for other people. Yeah , Peter can be a world class jerk, but, you've been callig him on it. And for a while, was doing so eloquently. Jan has let you, but once you cross into just repetitive negativity, that will change.

Just relax, participate, and when Peter gets mean again, whack him squarely across the bridge of his nose.

You do have some good stuff to offer here, and i imagine that there are music related stories that you can tell in detail without getting your ass in a sling.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sorry again.....The kidzzz are from Ron Clark Academy, Atlanta!

That's all folks. Back to bed since I've got that bug too.

'Farther on up the road' Ronnie Hawkins and others made a distinctive home for rock 'n' roll in Northwest Arkansas. Published 1/26/2006


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sorry I forgot to give credit to rapper TI for the grooove.....Kidzzz changed the lyrics of course.

Rick and Robbie 1976. Credits: Richard E Aaron/Redferns/MUSICPICTURES.COM

Simon: I'm always looking out for Dylan. Btw the only song I liked on "Shot Of Love" was "Every Grain Of Sand". Emmylouuu did a good cover as well thanks to Daniel Lanois producing "Wrecking Ball"......which is my fave recording of hers anyway.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

You can vote however you like kids song. Rap has never been all crap. Check out this cooool rap to vote by some very cooool kidzzzz in Alabama.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: FRIEND0

I think i got your point---i was joking around....or trying to--is that permitted here?(sorry another lame joke)


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Walt, Counting Crows, Ron,

Walt, with a name like walt i expected you would understand my post correctly. I'm disappointed.

Carol, Duritz lives in NY now, has a record label of his own. Some unusual medical / psychological issues that he has opened up about and they are the key to most of his seemingly self absorbed lyrics. An in depth interview, he seemd a pretty okay guy of sorts.

I enjoy some of his singing alot. Did hear a lot of live Counting Crows this spring and summer on various radio shows, and the band was rather poor. They did have a variety of personnel changes since years ago.

Ron, If you start walking from Scottsdale, Arizona to Port Hardy now, you will probably still get there ahead of schedule for Westo's final session.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: SIMON

Simon--i could care less whether i am banned now or whenever & am amazed that people spend their time rifiling through the GB archives to catch "violators" who say things some may not want to hear--very odd!! You are correct--i do view this GB,in general(& not ALL posters) as kinda....to quote viney,mean!!! You have this bizarre bumbles guy who refers to himself in third person & has no restriction on the many nasty things he's said about Levon Helm over the years.Why isn't he banned? You all know Viney,who acknowledges & behaves in a way consistent with meanness--all cloaked in intelectual cover-bullshit. You have the Robbie haters. Also & the way the self appointed leaders like Viney regularly cut people with their words--simply put, this GB shames the memory of The Band & behaving well for a week won't fix it. Finally,the misinformation & fantasies that people post as fact makes this GB a little crazier. After all,LHS runs a nice GB,The Danko blog is informative,mature & a pleasure to read,& Garth's site is....well,uniquely GARTH'S!! LOL This website is & was fantastic--i don't know Jan but it's a tribute to Jan that this site is dynamic & interesting as can be....& THAT is why this GB is such a massive disappointment---perhaps i was too idealistic thinking people would visit here to express gratitude to the musicians,share concert & album info,to talk music,etc. But,i must tell you,after seeing the vitriol here i began to believe that the GB is garbage & should be closed. In the meantime(until i'm banned--& if it's up to Viney i'm sure he'll work the power grid to off me!! LOL) i will plan to respond as often as possible to those who bare their nastiness to the musicians.


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Posted by:

Simon

Subject: 'd' stands for Dylan

brown eyed girl - Thanks for the links. There were a couple of audio clips on YouTube that were only up for about a week before being taken down. One was Dylan & the Hawks from Berkeley 1965 doing an electrified "It Ain't Me Babe" - I know Jan used to have the Robbie solo up as a file. It's a pretty amazing version. The other was from Tour '74 ... "Something There Is About You" from Chicago. Some beautiful playing from Garth. I know both performances are quite rare so I'll keep my eyes peeled.

As regards Walt's apparent beef with Peter ... I'd say it stems from being banned. The weird thing is he actually *insisted* on being banned and one of the moderators - Peter, I assume - granted his request. I don't want to dwell too much on this but yesterday I had a look at all the posts when Jan kindly reopened this place - I had technical problems at the time and only just noticed September's posts were up - in among all the posts expressing gratitude was one from Walt saying the place should be shut down. It'd only been back online about 24 hours. Ho-hum. I only wish he'd be a bit more positive as I really enjoyed his reminiscences of meeting Rick by the fruit and veg section which I think he posted a while back.

Norbert - Thanks very much for all your efforts and generosity over the years.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: The North-Sea
Web: My link

Subject: Pedersen on Jones

The cherry on the cake …. the flower on the table …. the sun betweens heavy clouds …. for me that’s Lars Pedersen to this GB. Good to have him back in town. Always working to make this world a better, warmer, place. In a few sweet words he turns grumpy ‘Westie’ Norm Jones into the friendly hardworking, wood chopping Perry Como complete with apron and duster.... also informative .... Lars on Norm cutting wood: “chips were flying off of his chain saw” learns us that Jones’ chainsaw is razor sharp (I know that a stump chain will produce only dust).

Anyway, the line that causes the bows to frown a little is of course “Got a real nice home that he keeps spotless” ….well … something like watching TLW the first time … Captain Jones will even clean his tug diesel after every job! … I’m sure.

One day, looking over the troubled North-Sea, one hand above the eyes ... I’ll spot a spotless Flying Dutchman at the horizon …. Perry behind the rudder ....one hand on the helm, the duster firm in the other. ... .and I know I’ve seen Norm ‘Westie’ Jones himself, Gawd damn it. (for the good order I love them both)

b.t.w. what’s the word on Joe the Plumber?


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Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Morris Levy/Robbie

Peter--there is a passage about it in Ronnie Hawkins' book Last of the Good Ol' Boys w/some quotes from Robbie.


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Posted by:

Peter V

OK! I found it … MIX magazine interview 1988. David posted it.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Morris Levy

I was trying to find the reference to Morris Levy meeting Robbie for the first time … I didn't turn it up. Anyone remember where it was? Which book or interview?


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: BROWN EYED GIRL

My response on my reasoning is detailed in my first or second post & i prefer not to bore you or others with repitition.As for fiery darts,some folks shoot them off alot & once in awhile a fiery dart or 2 in return can be quite reasonable.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: Carol

Thanks for the information & very cool to hear Rick's take on this band--thanks again!


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Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Counting Crows

Walt-I think Counting Crows are as Band-like as another band can be, without actually copying their sound. They were heavily influenced by The Band, yet manage to keep their own style. I think Adam Duritz definitely has a Dankoesque quality to his voice.

When "August and Everything After" came out, I gave a copy to Rick. He'd heard "Mr. Jones" on the radio and got a kick out of it. He thought it was a good song, and chuckled at the "I wanna be Bob Dylan" line. He also liked "Omaha," and I found it funny that he didn't say "Hmm, that sounds a bit like us." But he did see the influence.

Jakob D's Wallflowers were also heavily influenced by The Band, and Jakob has made no secret of his love for the guys. Rick also liked the Wallflowers' debut and was very flattered that Jakob cited The Band as a major influence (along with the Clash :-).

In retrospect, I think those two bands were more significant in helping to introduce Gen-Xers to The Band than they seemed to be at the time. They really had a big hand in moving rock away from grunge and back--however briefly--to traditional instruments and solid arrangements. It was like "Mandolins and accordions are cool, not corny. If you don't believe us, listen to The Band..."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Walt....I forgot what name you used the last time but it was easy to tell from your posts that you weren't a band guest book virgin. lol Anyway, just an observation but...Is there any possibility you could state why you don't think Dylan is mean instead of shooting Peter those fiery darts? I'm sure for everyone who thinks Dylan or we're mean in any Guest Book.....there are those who think we're the cat's meooooow!.....As you know....Dylan knew about those fiery darts, didn't he? ;-D

Robbie and Eric soundcheck.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: FRIEND0

So,you're telling me Viney is the moderator again.Well,then maybe he has insight into the Counting Crows question i had asked?! Much appreciated.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie with Joni at the NARM Convention. "It was and is truly one of those moments!"

www.marcmercurio.com/ My%20Webs/jonirobbie.jpg


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: COUNTING CROWS

Anyone have thoughts on the Counting Crows? A friend mentioned last night that he felt they were very "Band-like". I couldn't hear it other than an infrequent accordion in the mix.Anyone have opinions?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Back from The Record fair

Browsing the record fair today, I thought I saw "High on the Hog" in a different sleeve. It was indeed "High on the Hog" in a different sleeve because it was a retrospective of Tony McPhee and The Groundhogs. (BTW, Jeff, is "hog" allowable on Saturdays in connection to The Band, or in this case, a classic, if rather dull, blues band?)

American Roulette … not the Robbie title, but the label on the original Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks "Who Do You Love?" I picked up.

I did irritate one stallholder because a guy holding Rock of Ages on vinyl said "Do you know if this is on CD?" The stallholder said "no" and I automatically said "yes."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I was visiting a friend in Saskat and when I heard Dylan's "Sloooow Train Coming"......absolutely loved it musicially and lyrically I just inserted someone else whenever Bob would sermonize about God. My fave song from Dylan's "Saved"....."What Can I Do For You?" I ended up selling this CD but I downloaded these songs as well ....

A Satisfied Mind

Covenant Woman

Pressing On

"You have given everything to me. What can I do for You? You have given me eyes to see. What can I do for You?

Pulled me out of bondage and You made me renewed inside, Filled up a hunger that had always been denied, Opened up a door no man can shut and You opened it up so wide And You've chosen me to be among the few. What can I do for You?

You have laid down Your life for me. What can I do for You? You have explained every mystery. What can I do for You?

Soon as a man is born, you know the sparks begin to fly, He gets wise in his own eyes and he's made to believe a lie. Who would deliver him from the death he's bound to die? Well, You've done it all and there's no more anyone can pretend to do. What can I do for You?

You have given all there is to give. What can I do for You? You have given me life to live. How can I live for You?

*I know all about poison, I know all about fiery darts, I don't care how rough the road is, show me where it starts, Whatever pleases You, tell it to my heart. Well, I don't deserve it but I sure did make it through. What can I do for You?"*

Copyright ©1980 Special Rider Music *Fave verse*

abby girl: "And I hope you're feelin better

Yes I hope you're feelin good

Yes I hope you're feelin better"

"Hope You're Feeling Better" (Santana)

:-D


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Posted by:

Steve

Ron, if it took you 5 years to even plug in your guitar you just might be the guitar player Norm's been waiting for to finish his album. Take your time though in offering your services, Norm doesn't like to be rushed. Wait a couple of years, then start thinking bout it. Then drop Norm a line via snail mail.


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Posted by:

ron gordon

Location: scottsdale
Web: My link

" catch a cannonball and take me down the line".... robbie signed a strat i won, never played it, didn't want to smudge his name...finally 5 yrs later i plugged it in..its got a killer sound...all the best RG


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: It's funny that no one (including myself) has mentioned...

In all this talk of Dylan.... 'Tears of Rage', or 'This Wheel's on Fire'....


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Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: Up in the trees

Subject: Eye witness commentary

I didn't scroll back far enough to see if you guys are really having a bunch of arguments about each other's personality traits. or if you're all just shucking and jiving. I haven't looked in here in a while and I'm pleasantly surprised to see the return of the Norm. Norm's a hard worker, I can vouch for that. I watched him cut up a load of firewood one day when I was visiting him about three years ago. His back was bent and chips were flying off of his chain saw and he was moving so fast I was afraid he was going to drop dead on me. I got out of the cab of the truck and we got his chainsaw going and he looked surprised when he heard the sound of the motor (I'm just kidding, Westie).

Seriously, Norm is a tough old seadog who knows how to work hard. Got a real nice home that he keeps spotless. I don't think he has anything he hasn't earned through his own sweat and determination.

And I still say he's a dead ringer for Perry Como. Actually. I think he really IS Perry Como, but he's too stubborn to admit it. Pat B.- I lost your e-mail. Would you ask Peter for mine and shoot me an e-mail sometime? Peter, TIA. Don't let the bastards get you down.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Look everybody. Peter only referred to Dylan as "a mean bastard." He could have called him a mean motherfucker. Imagine what we would have had to have thought he meant?

But, Steve makes a point. It is becoming too coincidental. After referring to Dylan as "greedy swine" ( swine being the poster animal for non kosher food sources) during the Jewish High Holy Days, now this. With my explanation I gave Peter a pass last time, but there is a definite pattern unveiling.

Separately, but related.

Walt, I'm wondering what kind of juice you have. Peter hasn't once told you to fuck off, watch yourself or your posts will get deleted, keep it up and you'll be banned.

Good night folks.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Kevin J

Thanks! That's one of my favorite Bobby D songs.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Gawd Damn Westo. You been talking to Japanese folk too long and don't understand plain english no more. I didn't ask you the name of the gawd damn song, I asked you who sung the song that was semi titled that.See the capitals indicated i knew it was the title, (or in this case part of the title) I even tried to help you cheat, so you could correct me on the actual full title. Calling you a Canadian Cowboy was a gawd damn hint. Old David P got it right, the title actually is The Cowboy Tune (The End Is Not In Sight). Of course i know who sang it, i was just having some fun with ya. I've loved that band since the first time i heard them on the radio in 72 i reckon.

Now back to other matters. I swear you keep it up, the wimmin will be renting Madison Sq Garden and running a benefit for you. And I know you ain't the kind of guy to want needless sympathy or to have other people pay your freight. But I'm a little shocked to hear you are close to the poorhouse. I remember a yacht, a glass bottomed boat, a beautiful house on the lake you been remodeling top to gawd damn bottom, custom staircases & all. and of course the approx 50k truck and the 80k you sunk into the tug. A good gawd damn investment I am sure. Everything you got, you worked hard for, and it's yours, fair and square, and I doubt anyone ever gave you anything you didn't earn. But unles you been floating paper, and you don't seem the type, you should be getting some well deserved custom padded rocking chairs and cuban ceegars. If you crying, you lying, or you been living too high on the gawd damn hog Westo. And you don't strike me as a highbinder who's gonna put a show on with out having the goods. You might be proud of what you've accumulated, and might like displaying those things and bragging on em, but I wouldn't believe you didn't accumulate them honestly, or that you were floating loans to show off. So don't apologize for being well off.

Now back to 1973. I could be wrong but I could swear that you wrote that you and paulie pena had that in common, that you both started projects in 1973 that did not get released till many years later. If you are off a year or afew months, no big deal , but if you were right, about sharing a year with Pena, you still really won't have that in common till you finish that gawd damn cd and get it fer gawd damn sale!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Did he say how much he was paid to say it was an accident?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Great Balls of Magnum Force

A year or so ago, I ran into a guy who used to play bass for Jerry Lee Lewis, in a used-record store of all places. He recounted the infamous tale of how he was lucky to survive after "The Killer" shot him in the chest with a .357 magnum.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: bob w

Indeed! Some years later though Chuck did follow it with a right hand to The Killer's face. Oh, the great ol days! Imagine even trying to follow Jerry Lee Lewis at his peak?


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Posted by:

bob w.

Although you have to love Jerry Lee Lewis, after setting his piano on fire during his final number, challenging Chuck Berry to "follow that."


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Joan: The above link is for you - "Tangled Up in Blue"


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Kevin J

Thank you for the details. As I get older, things get a bit "general". Its not senility, I prefer to think of it as the"hard drive" being overloaded with too many years accumulation of knowledge. :-D


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Joan: I had always heard the story being Peter Grant ( legendary manager of Led Zeplin )ambling up to a bar - at a New York club where Bob Dylan happenned to be sitting. Peter ordered a drink, leaned over to Bob Dylan and said "Hello, I am Peter Grant, I manage Led Zeplin" Bob looked over and replied "Do I share my problems with you?"

Greed? On my way to the record store HMV where I purchased tell Tale Signs for $22.00, I had a soup and a Tuna sandwich which cost $12.00.........Point is, the value for $22.00 is enormous. Now, record companies that sell 30 yr old product that is long since depreciated and which artists no longer receive royalties at regular rates realy do deserve the scorn they receive.

A nod or a "good show" merits a nod or a thank you. Telling someone about to take a stage to "Try to follow that" as ND is supposed to have done to BD merits the response he got - nothing mean about that!


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: stevo

Steve - Unofficially it's day 8 - officially it's day 7. It's not official till you start running for the bowl. (and the only time I get really disgusted with myself for not cleaning the bathroom often enough is when I officially get sick)


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Empty Now

Glad to see you back.. I was worried about you....


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Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, I think there are many more than that. At the big London Record fair three or four years ago, there were as many Dylan boots as Beatles boots, and The Beatles guy told me he had 400. The Beatles boots thing is really weird … there isn't anything left to dredge up. It's just version after version of compilations of the same handful of rejects. I'm told Led Zeppelin has the largest number in circulation, but I'd think that since Great White Wonder, Dylan must be the winner (or rather, as they're bootlegs) the greatest loser.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: PETER

Peter,you really are a strange bird.Saved was a fine album,musically speaking & Self Portrait is a personal favorite.The boys are fine & yes,i was here under another name in the past.Peter,you are very observant & i am certain it must be fun running all those little internet games you play to determine who is daring to not demonstrate the respect you demand for yourself. Well,guess what--arrogance & pretension,which are your specialties,don't move me,particularly yours given its pseudo-intellectual,meaningless context.And,i'm sure Dylan is pleased to have you as a fan....just another fan who happens to be no smarter or better than anyone else,but yet,who believes he holds the key to all wisdom relating to Dylan & The Band.Calm down,Peter--not many are impressed with a man of careful words who uses "mean" to suggest something else.Perhaps,after all,you are a mean person yourself---you got that right!


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, you have all 257 concert boots?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Al Kooper quote: That particular mean is somewhere between cruel and sarcastic … such as his remark to Neil Diamond at TLW . I like sarcastic on the whole and it WAS funny, but I imagine Neil just looked at his royalty statement for the mid 70s, and shrugged.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: One Correction

Walt, Peter "is" in the bible. I think he's sitting at the right hand of the guy who sits at the right hand of the guy who inspired the book, but I could be mistaken, I get lots of those old time stories mixed up.

Hey Abby, is this day 6 or day 7 of the 14 day war you're involved in?

Funny how Dylan's singing voice has gone down hill in such a more pronounced way than his talking voice has. His talking voice in No Direction Home sounded quite smooth and this was years after his singing voice had already gone kind of croaky. Maybe, like his Nashville Skyline era, this is part of the act, which would really be quite mean at least where his fans are concerned.


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Posted by:

Peter V

By mean, I meant “greedy.” Bob’s already phoned of course and apologised for the rip-off concerts (I promised him not to tell you that) and he said “Honey, Just Give Me One More Chance.” So I said, “I Don’t Believe You, You’re A Liar.” Then he said “Play Fucking loud,” so I wound up “Born in Time” on the stereo. So we’ll be OK, Bob and me, in our secret lives (as Leonard Cohen might say). I forgave Bob an awful lot of crap over the forty-five years I’ve been buying his records. I have every one, except for CD3 of Tell-Tale Signs, which rankles. Greedy sod. Mind you, I haven’t totally forgiven him “Saved” yet. I very much like “Self-Portrait” and even like a couple on the reviled “Dylan” from 1973.

On the other hand, I’d imagine Dylan can be pretty “mean” in the basic American sense of the word, judging by his dealings with interlocutors. But unlike a lot of people, I never expect to like any of these guys, and never imagined for a moment they’d be my pals. Rock musicians and actors are past masters of drawing people into believing that one. I would assume that the three men I admire most, Bob, Robbie and Paul Simon, are all bastards in one way or another. You know what, I reckon I can be too.

BTW, Walt, how are the two boys getting along?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Mean??

Perhaps he is just strongly opinionated. A while ago I read Al Kooper's book. I can't remember all the details, but he tells of being at a party with some guy who managed a well known band. Dylan came up to them. the guy wanted to impress Dylan so he says "I manage 'so and so'. Dylan turns to him and says "I don't tell you my problems"

Hi Norm and Empty Now. Good to hear from you.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: STEVE

If Peter is careful with his words then he chose mean,not greedy for a reason.But,i care not to delve too deeply into the basic,simple & obvioius meaning of the word "mean".Nor,do i care to analyze a man's words as if he is the writer of the Bible--he is Peter Viney--i assume a simple mortal like the rest of us.If he says "mean" i'll take him at his word that he intends to say "mean"! And,he can be stubborn like the rest of us!


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Posted by:

abby

Location: home

Subject: i love bob

Don't care what you say (well, actually I DO care what you say - I really do!) - I love Bob. You know what they say - Unless you've walked in a man's shoes....and ain't NOBODY walked in shoes like his..... He sounded pretty mediocre when I saw my first--and only-- Bob Concert, but I loved every minute of it. I think My Morning Jacket (who I think is from my neighborhood, btw) was his backup band. I was right up front - drunk kid beside me who thought I was his mother (I wasn't). It was fun. Husband and I had a 'name that tune' guessing game going. But I'm easily tickled.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 17:39:16 CEST 2008 from 21cust15.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.15)

Posted by:

Steve

Walt, it's not the meaning of mean that's the problem but possibly the intent of its use. Just think of all the other words that could have been used if the intent was to call Dylan greedy. Why, there's one that's hard to mis interpret. It even works both sides of the pond, but that was probably why it was left on the shelf.

But if a response to another meaning of mean is what you're looking for then you can't use greedy. Outside of NB* and BUMBLES, as you've discovered, Peter may be the most careful chooser of words here. Me, like most people here, just let'em fly so you can take them at face value. * While NB choses his words carefully they're not buried like IEDs. Of course I might just be looking far too deep for MEANING in Peter's post, I'm in the middle of Sam Harris', The End Of Faith.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Shakespeare's On Bass (The Other Robbie)

Shakespeare has played bass with Dylan -- Robbie Shakespeare from Kingston, Jamaica. Along with his partner, drummer Sly Dunbar, they were the one's who handled the driving.

"And my soul cries out for rest"... (from The Cowboy Tune) that westcoaster alluded to.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 16:19:37 CEST 2008 from (207.81.196.79)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The End is Not in Sight

I was right....bunch a gawd damn crazies. Jeff the song having the line you alluded to is named above. From the Amazing Rythmn Aces...I printed the lyrics to that song here long ago. n/n I am near in the poor house, without getting into world politics, look at the down turn in the world economy. I've toiled all my life and got nothin to show...there's a song there somewhere ain't they?? Angelina, girl, you're gonna have to start singin' me rockin' chair soon. That day is fast approaching. You are the main one who should e mail me...fer I can send you a picture of the "Westcoaster" at work. Many of them here have seen that old tug.. westcoaster at cablerocket dot .. calm.........Maggie's farm.......really. I gots to go.....got a load of heli fuel to move for Heifor Canada. AND JEFF....It ain't no 35 years....I didn't start in 1973......well........not quite anyway.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Mean Dylan Blues?

Dylan did give permission to National Public Radio to stream the entire 2-disc version of "Tell Tale Signs" for free, several days in advance of its official release date. In fact, it's still available at the NPR website. So, for those who haven't heard the album yet, you can check it out at no cost, without even having to go to Don Henley's favorite retail outlet, Walmart :-).


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Posted by:

Friend0

Not built in a day, but they didn't take thirty five Gawn Damn years either! Westo may be in year 36 by now, 36 is double Chai. 36 could be the year.

Gotta run, have fun folks.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: STEVE

I appreciate your response to me(better than those who carry that ole high school vibe & won't respond unless you're part of the in group clique!!)& i hear your point,but is the word "mean" that difficult to comprehend? Big Pink may not have been built in a day,but are you comparing Peter's stubbornness with a building?!


Entered at Fri Oct 24 14:39:06 CEST 2008 from 21cust218.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.218)

Posted by:

Steve

Walt, after you've been here awhile you don't fall for cleverly used words like " mean". One must suss out all the possible meanings before reacting, or ask for a clarification. Like " What The Fu*k Do you Mean by MEAN?

I'm still waiting for a clarification of, " I'm sorry for the furore my comment about Rick Danko caused". Some people might take that as an apology only about the furore caused , not the actual comment itself. Patience , Walt. Big Pink wasn't built in a day.


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Posted by:

Friend0

BTW, Ruby is about as far away from Woodstock as you can get in Saugerties. IBM used to have some facilities, maybe the power or plumbing sources, around the bend. My friend Vinny, born and raised in a different part of Saugerties, used to work in there.

Bob, that post of yours about Westo worrying about making his living, well, damn Bob, you gonna scare these women into pooling their pennies and renting Madison Sq Garden to have a benefit for the guy. And I'll be Gawd Damned if i don't figger Westo is working on his infomercial, which we'll all see on TV, how to make million in the tugging business,. If I, Westocaster Jones, could do it, anyone can do it. Just send $39.95 to Westocaster, I'll send you all my secrets and I'll even include a signed ,sealed and delivered Westocaster Jones cd. First pressing, when I complete it. Bound to be worth more then than it is now.

Bob, the man's our friend. He's been telling us all how successful and affluent he is, many ways, and in detail , for a few years now. More power to him. The guy works hard, he's entitled. But unless Westocaster is one of those guys that has enough for a few lifetimes but is always crying about how he's one step from the poor house, you've got him pegged wrong. He cain't be worried about making a living. Maybe he just wants the icing on top of that 7 tiered cake. Seems to me he's proud of how hard he's worked, rightfully so, and very proud of how much he's accumulated. He's told us all about it in detail over the years.

And I think he's gonna give the whole world the chance to learn how to do it too. Pay attention to those infomercials, it's just a matter of time.

Don't go worrying these poor women for no reason Bob.


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Posted by:

Steve

I think it was Kevin, Fred, who was referring to what a "meticulously self educated fellow in music and literature from every era" that character, know as Bob Dylan, is. And how do we know? He tells us so. Of course it just might be another chapter in " The Life Of Bob Dylan", as written by Robert Zimmerman. I thought Peter was comparing Shakeyspear to J2Rs yesterday, not the fictional character, BD.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: Peter/Dylan

And,i'm certain Dylan will be very upset that Peter Viney isn't going to anymore of his concerts!


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: PETER/DYLAN

Peter, you just can't back down,can you? I truly love the way you state your opinions as fact & as all knowing.Can't you see that you are simply a frustrated fan? And,you threw the word "mean" out there,but you stick to your guns leaving gullible readers here to actually believe you know more than others. What arrogance!


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Posted by:

Friend0

That article Angie linked about the music scene and musicians living in Woodstock, well, according to my friend, who never lies but over the 19 years I know him has told me one or two inaccuracies, Pete Levin is his neighbor. Lives a few houses away, down the road, in Ruby, in Saugerties. Now my friend is a little burnt, but not much. And when he doesn't work too hard, he usually gets things right. But I've never heard him hallucinate about who his neighbors are yet. I've met plenty of his neighbors, he always gets their names right.

Applehead Studios is in Saugerties. A short distance over the line on 212. But, it has a Woodstock Post Office box on purpose, so it carries the aura of being in Woodstock. Business cards, advertising, envelopes, all say Woodstock, etc, etc. But if you ship something there, like recording tape, you damn well better put Saugerties in the address when you ship directly there. If you mail to the PO Box, and use Woodsotck, it will get there. Ship, different.

This friend of mine I mentioned earlier has been wanting to make a record for 19 years I know him. but he still ain't started. Not a note on tape or harddrive. Once he starts, he'll probably knock it out in two, three days in the studio, then a mix, two days etc. It's all in the preparation. You have to have a clear vision. Plus, all this time, he' been talking about it, his singing voice been improving. This guy is pretty sly, so I'm guessing he's waiting till he figures his voice can't get no better, then goes straight into the studio.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: US Literature 101...

Subject: Did I say fact?

Steve - to whom did I compare Dylan? those paragons of factual storytelling. But there' s a lot of truth in it, if not much fact...

And is that my old friend Empty Now? Mirabile dictu!


Entered at Fri Oct 24 12:54:39 CEST 2008 from 21cust196.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.196)

Posted by:

Steve

St. Bob, the story teller, wrote Chronicles 1 and you guys are treating it as FACT? Dylan may be the reason Northern Boy holds the word FACT in such low esteem. Did Bob go into his time in Texas when he first left Minnesota? I always loved that story.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 12:53:13 CEST 2008 from (81.22.77.174)

Posted by:

Empty Now

Web: My link

Subject: Translation as promised (6 months ago) Welfi Meriem

the official title of the linked song is "Welfi Meriem (My acquaintance with the muse), the song is sometimes referred as "Hal Sheikh" (to be a songwriter), and popularly known as "baadminessaa" (a part of the hour) - version of Cheikh Al Ghafour
this song was written in 1885 by a Sufi saint from Nedroma, Sidi Kaddour Benachour Al Idrissi Ezerhouni 1850-1938), who was also a knight companion of Abdelqadir during his war of resistance against the French

- my effort of translation of a part of the lyrics -

4:25
baadminessaa yekun Rais bahr emdalem / rakeb taba kaymouj fouq zekhar ghamu / kol yom kayghit safelin wimenaa leghsham
baadminessaa yekun farass rakeb ladhem / fiminu shemlal albarn felwahsh izamu / seyad leghzal wel gata wel hemam wemam
baadminessaa yekun Pasha taghi qayem / ye amar aala raaytu teraad behkamu / qalbou qaci mayrit hesham oula zemam
baadminessaa yekun kassekran meghayem / matesmaa manu jawab sultan shed ahkamu / bidu qaws unabel men leqah yeradu besham
baadminessaa yekun kalmajnun yekhassam / yetfaten maa hawayju wiqataa fekmamu / yesfar wyedbal sirtu kaderiyet Ham
baadminessaa yekun sahi bassat naaem / metsali belfad rayqou saher daj menamu / benqut lutar yestled mehassen lengham
baadminessaa yekun taleb yensakh alem / belmajmou welqalem wel ketub min Allah telhamu / aalmu min aaqlu meretlu femaani wehkam
hada hal sheikh yal hafed tebet wajzem....

(a part of the hour he can be Captain riding a frigate on an offshore storm, helping everyday castaways and saving dissatisfied people
a part of the hour he can be a dancing shuffler walking on the stones, giving some money even to the wanderring tramps he meets
a part of the hour he can be authoritarian Pasha, casting orders as everybody fear his opinion, his bitter heart knows no shame nor regrets
a part of the hour he can be drunkard in a gloom, saying nothing and keeping his opinions, a bow in his mouth answers you with arrows
a part of the hour he can be furious madman, disagreeing with his own clothes and tearing his sleeves, flushing, reddening or going pale, behaving as the children of Ham
a part of the hour he can be serene staying up late at night, enjoying the sound of his own voice, the notes of his strings achieving the beauty of the harmony
a part of the hour he can be student transcribing a scholar, collecting tons of pens in books of divine inspiration, expressing thoughts of his own in clearly structured verses
all what a songwriter is in reality, fix your knowledge listeners...)

[---]


6:53
Ahefadi khud tabai waad wetfekhem / qol Allah yerham saheb elwejd refedet aalamu / Kaddour al Mansour ben el Bejai sheikhu Lehmam
Nedromi assal metassel fiha metrassem / Drissi Achouri ould Ras Al Ain men zemamu / Allah yerhamni ouyerham el hafed wel Islam
Khud tarikh mia ou miyatin wel alef atem / wel khamse wel ashr senin had tarjem bekmalu / eshar Dul Hija aala kemalu khud el khitam

My listeners take care of my lyrics and be proud of it, say God protects their author as you caught his references, Kaddour al Mansour ben el Bejai disciple of Lehmam
From Nedroma, of the pure lineage of Drissi Achouri, here he lived long time son of Ras Al Ain, God protects me and protects the listener and Islam
Remember the date 100 and 200 the 1000 completed, in the entire month of Dul Hija, this is the end of the song

^^^^ ^^

Chorus :
Anaya fehmak qolt liha welfi meriem / arkhi behali yalbahia yetkhafef seqamu / mendik enadra el bashra hayini beslam
( I told you my acquaintance with the muse, when she looks at my state in direct sight, and she salutes me with peace )


... with JRR on my mind

Thanks Rosalind (11 Oct)



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Artist: Robbie ROBERTSON File name: FC1002_Robbie_ROBERTSON Photographer: FIN COSTELLO Date: ../10/1991 Location: SEVILLE, SPAIN Caption: performing live onstage at Guitar Legends concert Credits: Fin Costello/Redferns/MUSICPICTURES.COM

I already told you Westcoaster...

I ain't gonna work on Westie's tug boat no more. No, I ain't gonna work on Westie's tug boat no more. Well, I try my best To be just like I am, But he wants me To be just like him. He says sing while you slave and I just get bored. I ain't gonna work on Westie's tug boat no more. ;-D


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Down under, with thunder... what?

Subject: The one and only Norm, the westcoaster!

Seconded Bob W., seconded Fred, and of course Seconded Jeff

Great to see you back, mate.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

A Rock & Roll Trinity: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost Bob Dylan, Neil Young & Eric Clapton, Madison Square Garden, New York City - 1992 Master & Disciple Jammin' with Neil


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Good Morning Joan... :-D Four years can make a lot of difference.....

Friday, October 24, 2008 Archives HAVENS; Woodstock Rocks On, but the Beat Is Quieter By DENNY LEE Published: February 27, 2004


Entered at Fri Oct 24 10:07:25 CEST 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Mean … I’d forgotten not playing Band songs on the Radio show. That was mean. Actually, I love the radio shows. No, it’s the British sense of financially mean, rather than the American sense. Really I meant “money-grabbing” rather than “ungenerous” because I have no idea about the latter. I have seen a 3 CD set at £90, or £76 more than the 2 CD set this month. Plus he insists on doubling capacity by taking out all the seats at British venues, whereupon you can’t see. Paul Simon and James Taylor did the same venue with bigger bands (more than twice the size bands) and charged the same or less for tickets.

Both Simon and Taylor can still hit every note. While Dylan’s band the last twice was first rate, Simon and Taylor both had better bands than Dylan … because there were more of them on stage for a start, with more complex arrangements, and a way better sound mix. Once Dylan had Jim Keltner (allegedly he’d overheard the previous drummer taking the piss out of his guitar playing, sacked him on the spot and had to fly Keltner in for a few gigs … so I was lucky), but Paul Simon and James Taylor both had Steve Gadd. To any observer they’re of equal stature. Both Simon and Taylor did longer shows too.

Next month Leonard Cohen will be at the same venue, all seated in spite of the huge demand in Europe for tickets. I saw Cohen in the summer and he had the best sound mix I’ve ever heard in a big venue. Paul Simon, in the You’re The One tour, is supposed to have had a team with musicians test every venue months in advance and program the mixing desk accordingly. The sound was crystal clear on every instrument.

I’ve seen a Dylan piano show as well as a guitar show in the last few years. I prefer the piano because it stops those interminable very similar solos. I won’t go to another Dylan show though. Yes, his recorded voice is very effective and affecting on recent work.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Web: My link

Good Song!


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: You know..

there is no such a person as Westcoaster...he's just a figment of Yukihiko Nakagawa's imagination : ) nice to hear from you Norm.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 06:36:56 CEST 2008 from (70.134.111.44)

Posted by:

bob w.

Gawd damn it Norm, not even Dylan takes this long to get an album together. Quit worrying about making your living while we're out here waiting on the music.

Good to see you here.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Gawd Damn Westocaster Jones His Own Self! Cain't call you a real gone cat no more. Like I said, you never was gone. Just overwrought & nebulous, getting the wimmin folk worried for no dang reason. As I said, I never doubted your grand re entrance.

Westo, I wasn't wrong, i was right. You'd never rant, rave, curse at, or insult Peter. It's no secret. I (guess) I knew it all along. But I kinda figgered we could all hear you say it. Thanks for obliging. Who said I Guess I Knew It All Along first Westo? No googling now. On your canadian cowboy honor,on your mark, get set, go.

BTW, I hope you didn't, nah, a shrewd hand like you wouldn't tell Mr Yukihiko Nakagawa you been working on a recording for 35 years. Tugging might be slow & steady, but 35 years would sure as hell scare any big customer. Eureka! Westo. You maybe done struck gold, hooked that big fat fish.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: NYC, jeff0

So far so good, we're walking maniacs. The weather is superb, eh? The park is great and we made an evening out of it last night at Swifts, my favorite Irish pub here for the past decade or so. That was after a fine Indian dinner at Ghandi in the E Village. More later Welcome bast Westcoaster!


Entered at Fri Oct 24 04:19:43 CEST 2008 from (207.81.196.79)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: All the soft women & all the hard places to fall

What a bunch a gawd damn crazies! I've come home resently, and received a quite a few e mails from friends here, who are "nozy", and just want to know what I'm doing. (just kidding).

I'm very busy, (unfortunately, NO I haven't gotten a chance to get back to the studio yet.) I'm fairly pissed off about that too.

I hope everyone is well, and happy. I surely am. I am involved in some projects, that will end my career just right when I retire, (in a year or two now).

I was to a meeting the other night, with some "heavy weights" including a man from the J-A-pan company, President of one of the world HUGE companies. His name? Yukihiko Nakagawa, Electric Power Development Co.

The project is to put one of those windmill farms for hydro power up on the plateau at Holberg on the top end of this Island. I'm sure even people like Jan Hoiberg may know this exercise, as the biggest one I believe, is at sea outside of Denmark.

I am contracted to move all the propellors, and equipment with my tug and barge from Vancouver to Port Hardy. This is a 400 million dollar project. I might as well get my share huh?

I will finish my recording, and I will let you know when it is done this year, so that those with some interest can get a listen.

Jeff you're wrong, (I just had a few minutes to read a few posts). I wouldn't swear and curse at Peter, he's an intelligent educated man, with SOME sensible tastes in music.

However, I will say this, where Bob Dylan is concerned. If you watched, "No Direction Home" Bob has a great sense of humour, (especially as a young guy). Maybe we all get a little cranky in our old age, and in particular after listening to a lot of ignorant comments from a lot of crazy people.

But there is not a lot of songs that I ever enjoyed Bob's vocals on, over all these years. There are a few that are timeless, and very meaningful with lyrics that were relateable. (Even Roger McGuinn made the statement, "I've always had a hard time understanding Bob's songs".)

But for me, at the "Concert for Bangladesh" in MSG, that George arranged, with one of the BEST EVER lineup of musicians. When Bob Dylan came on stage, and started singing, "Blowin' In the Wind", and "Tambourine Man". That is one time, I'd loved to have been there. Just as I said, with the BAND. It don't get any better.

I don't think we'll see the likes of George Harrison again in along while, and I miss him, God rest his soul.

I'll stop in when I can........to those of you who showed your concern......THANKYOU.........Norm


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Posted by:

Tony ~ Levon Helm Studios

Web: My link

Catch the interview with Levon on WDST Radio Woodstock, Friday October 24th between 7:15am and 8:15am. EST Click the Web Page link above to Listen Live.


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Posted by:

Friend0

I must say, there have been times Dylan sounded like he;s swallowed a squirell, or a chipmunk, but it worked well, and other times he sounded like a chazan. That time in Jones Beach, the show with Santana, a rock and rolling chazan, one thousand percent..

second half of the 80s, a few shows i saw with GE Smith era dylan, absofuckinglutely incredible. and he sang great

JQ, Russ & Daughter's Appetizing, Houston Street. Breakfast tonmorrow,. Get some chubs, some baked salmon, or pickled , or lake sturgeon to die for, some cream cheese, bagels, take it back to your romm, or to washington sq or central park, have a party


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Posted by:

Friend0

Bob, no one's gonna tell me who's birthday I missed?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Maybe we are being too tough on Peter.

I mean he did eqaute Dylan with Shakespeare.

Peter aboslutely adores Don Henley, yet he hasn't compared Henley to nary a single playwright, poet or author.

And don't forget Madonna.

He hasn't compared Madonna to Streisand, Marilyn Monroe, or Aretha Franklin.

So maybe, just maybe we should consider giving Peter a pass on this one.



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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: mean, as in cheap

eh Peter? The times I've seen him in the last decade his voice has been completely unintelligible and that seemed to be unrelated to a sound-system issue as it's been the same raspy nothingness for 3 or 4 shows since '90. But I disagree with the broad negative sweep negative about his singing recently: his recorded voice on Love & Theft, Modern Times & Tell, Tale Signs is in excellent form in my opinion.


Entered at Fri Oct 24 01:39:46 CEST 2008 from (203.10.46.22)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Kevin J; Chronicles

I genuinely believe Chronicles is one of the key American books of the last few years. If the Nobel Prize committee gave out the Prize to Americans, surely Dylan nailed it with that (on top of his lyrics and influence.) I speak not as a Dylan freak, of course, but as one who has recently come to appreciate dylan...

It was Faulkner, Hammett, chandler, Moby Dick, Salinger, Runyon, Guthrie, Wolfe, Hunter S Thompson and more besides. All at once, often in the same sentence, and as often as not, re-reading brought out different American sources.

Great book.


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Posted by:

John Hayes

Location: Aberdeenshire Scotland

Subject: Best band in the land

I still listen to their music regularly. Fantastic


Entered at Fri Oct 24 01:19:26 CEST 2008 from adsl-71-149-244-179.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net (71.149.244.179)

Posted by:

bob w.

Hey Jeffo, if things get a little too heated you can always list automobiles named after resort towns or discuss cartoon stylings.

Happy Birthday, Stranger!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Walt, aimless wounding may or may not miss the target.So it may not wound at all. Now that i've had the chance to act like an idiot, i'd like to commend your earlier post.

I think you handled it very maturely Walt. But then again, Walt is a mature name.

I've seen Dylan do some great stuff on the guitar. I may not have seen Dylan live since 2000 or 2001, in St Louis, that tour he did with Paul Simon, Larry Campbell had just joined the band . His singing was almost excellent when it wasn't excellent. I saw a pile of Dylan shows in the 90s, and he was always great. Once standing in sone place in Midtwon manhattan, the just recently popular Cheryl Crow opening, another at Jones Beach, with Santana, i had 4th row seats and aside from his great singing, and some cool lead runs, the faces he made just cracked us up. another time in a tent, also close to the stage, in upstate NY, east of the hudson, in 94. Absolutely incredible show, great singing. there were others, all these come to mind fast.

I wouldn't know a damn thing abut his personality. But i;ll say it again, the beauty & greatness of an artist's work, comes from someplace. It has to be there somewhere. My guess would be that Dylan is probably a really funny & nice guy when he's with people he knows well and or cares for. Intelligent? clearly a genius.

If Westocaster Jones, were here he'd probably rant & rave at Peter, insult him, curse him, call him names, and tell him that Bob Dylan doesn't care what Peter thinks of him, his singing, or his guitar playing. Well,maye not, it is Peter,.


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Posted by:

Simon

I can see what you're saying, Walt, and I certainly think you've got a point ... it's just I very much doubt Dylan reads these pages. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to run a guestbook - and that's all it is - on the premise that no comments at all should be potentially offensive to any musicians. (Not that you were suggesting that.) Such a place would be 'bland on bland,' if you'll excuse the pun. I also don't consider very mild criticism or questioning of an artist to be "trashing" them. Then again at the other extreme there's a lot of weird shit floating around the internet. I've always thought that this place is one of the mellowest I've come across, although it's had its hairy moments. The fact that those moments are few and far between compared with other sites reflects well on this guestbook.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: SIMON

Why spread bad word at all? Our words can be used for good,or to wound.Why bother with aimless wounding?


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Posted by:

Simon

"Also, why spread bad words about people, particularly when based on a book?" Hear, hear, Walt. Then again some books are more equal than others, I suppose.


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Posted by:

walt

I'm not certain reading a book about the observations of others in certain circumstances & particularly when out of context is useful or will nearly fully inform us about the total character of another person. Also,why spread bad words about people,particularly when based on a book.Obviously,Chronicles(which is a fun & informative read)has to be regarded differently since Dylan was the author. But.books alone,don't have the monopoly over knowing the real person& certainly if they are truly followed by a shadow of lifetime meanness.If he is mean,are we here to examine every orifice of his character & personality? Or,isn't it enough to enjoy the beautiful songs this genius brought.Or,is the internet a big gossop rag? or,can people control their trash talk on artists--whether Dylan or Robbie or Levon--my belief is lay off the personal lives & enjoy & be grateful for the wonderful music we have!


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Reading "Chronicles I" and "A Simple Twist of Fate: The Making of Blood on the Tracks" will give you good insight into Dylan. I'm not sure about today, but when he recorded "Blood on the Tracks," he certainly wasn't very nice to most of the people around him.

J.F.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Tell Tale Signs: Disc 1 is staggeringly good and reinforces just how off Daniel Lanois's ear really was during those two sessions with Dylan.

Dlew: Not sure that I said anything about the authenticity of the Great Man's voice but I would encourage all young musicians to read "Chonicles I" to understand just how meticulously Dylan educated himself with literature and music from all era's and how that eventually formed an incredibly secure and authentic musician.

And Peter - he doesn't play the instument anymore, can be a great singer still and when your driving around playing "Born in Time" at full volume - ask yourself how a mean man could make you feel so good. Dying and leaving your fortune to a dog is mean......Not playing Band songs on your radio show is just quirky - not mean!


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: Peter Viney & Dylan is mean..

While it's simply a matter of taste & personal opinion(& opinions are like a#$holes--everyone has one) regarding Dylan's current voice & his electric playing & i disagree with Peter from the vantage point of spending considerable rehearsal time & hearing lots of his electric playing--i was a gofer for Dylan through the rehearsal studio he used in the 80's) But,yet,that is still a matter of how one hears & incorporates the music into their system & your opinion on his guitar playing has equal validity to mine. NOW,as for Dylan's "meanness" you speak of,you'd need more evidence than books,magazines & newspapers since gossip rags won't do here.Has Dylan done some real mean stuff--i'm sure he has. Have YOU? Have I? Haven't all of us been mean or hurtful in our perfect lives? Peter,do you know Bob? Are you an intimate friend? i worked for a number of years & got to see the man & i hate to shock you but his interaction with the few non musicians in the studio over the years was good,me included--& i was a total nobody there--Bob went from 2 weeks of quiet & wariness(who could blame him?!),to 2 weeks of being polite,but brief--as time went on & he saw he wasn't getting used by us he was,in fact,very decent,funny & a good person... So,Peter,unless you know Bob--& i ain't saying i do--let's even it out--YOU ARE A FAN. I AM A FAN. WE BOTH KNOW NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE SEE & ARE PART OF AND NEITHER OF US CAN SAY HE IS MEAN OR NICE OR WHATEVER.....PERHAPS,YOU MIGHT CONSIDER REFRAINING FROM JUDGEMENT & PARTICULARLY FROM SPREADING A MEAN WORD ABOUT SOMEONE WHO I GOTTA BELIEVE AIN'T YOUR INTIMATE. sorry for shouting,but man,that was just crazy gossip stuff--uncalled for--Bob is human too & while certain he doesn't read this crap,i feel a sense of loyalty to him for all his music has done for me over the years.Please,show a modicum of respect & don't expose your ignorance.Peter,i have to believe that as a decent man you will retract that part about meanness--leave the electric guitar & current singing comment,given it's possible you are an expert in guitar playing & singing & have performed for years....Man,show some respect,please!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Directions

I live and have worked in the NYC Metro area. I have spent a great deal of time in Manhattan proper. When in midtown, I would often see people struggling with maps. I always try to stop and offer help. It is often conducted in pidgin English and sign language, but it gets the job done.I feel that I am simply returning the favors I've been shown when I have traveled.

Also, it had led to one of my favorite moments. Someone actually asked me how to get to Carnegie Hall, and I got to answer "Practice, practice,practice!!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: I'll bring over my Fender.

Bill, OK, Bacon drove Shakespeare to the library once and waited while he researched Richard III. Bacon insisted on all due deference to Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond, and got it. And the Earl of Southampton was in the room when he wrote Twelfth Night. But the Earl's writing credits since have been between meagre and zero.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: And Hello Rob the Organ

Welcome back!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Shakespeare - there you go again, raising the vexed question of writing credits!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shakespeare's in the alley …

I believe that Bob Dylan is the greatest artist of the 20th century.

Sadly, he's an absolutely crap electric guitarist, a poor singer nowadays and a mean bastard.

But then again, Shakespeare wasn't noted for his ability to play solos on the lute, nor generosity, nor singing voice. I equate them.


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Posted by:

Simon

One thing I always keep in mind about Bob Dylan is that he has more than just words at his disposal. For me, his appeal has always been his 'manysidedness' ... just the great variety of his work. I also like things like that photo inside Love & Theft, the one with the shoes. I read that he made a bit of a fuss over it as he wanted that picture just so. Does that have any meaning at all? Who knows. I do have a fondness for that album as it was the first in a long while that made me giggle. It reminded me of H61R in that respect.


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Posted by:

walt

And,with respect,i request that most,not all,of my posts are said with some humor.I just like to kid around!


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: Parsing Posts from Paloomba--From My Nonsense To Dylan?!

Is it simply a part of internet culture to parse every word & hidden meaning in a person's posts or is it a thing us Dylan/Band lovers tend to do? Well,as Dylan might very well feel about all the over pseudo-intellectualization of his lyrics(most horribly reflected in the strangely prolific nature of all the Dylan courses on college campuses),in my best imitation..."sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". So,my meaningless words merit no analysis--it's all easy to see & let it be,as is.That's for my nonsense....as for Bob,his words(& let's not neglect the outstanding & innovative music),tend to be prophetic genius.....but,he may still not appreciate all these folks,whether college professors or winos,who seem to understand his every word,its intent,& nuance.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Blood On The Double Tracks

"Blood On The Tracks", giving new meaning to the term double-tracking, is yet another interesting example of Dylan's recording process. He first recorded the album in New York with one group of musicians and later, after listening to the test pressing, decided to re-record most of the tracks with another group of musicians in Minneapolis.


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Posted by:

RTO ("Rob the Organ")

Location: Surrey UK

Subject: Hello?

So this is where you've all been hiding, then?


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Posted by:

Deb

I work in downtown Montgomery, Alabama where it's not unusual to be asked directions to Hank Williams' grave. I don't take offense at the question. I give directions, ask if they've been to the museum and other "Hank" sites around town and give directions to those as well. Besides it being common courtesy, it's good karma for times when I'm the tourist. I've been to the Williams plot myself more than once and have noticed that if no one else is there when I get there, someone will be before I leave. I've never seen anyone do anything disrespectful.

There have been numerous efforts over the years to mark the final resting places of bluesmen who were buried in unmarked graves (Robert Johnson has three, in different places). "Musical necrophilliacs" like John Fogerty, Bonnie Raitt, Dick Waterman, and Charlie Musslewhite have helped raise funds to mark the graves of Charley Patton, Mississippi Fred McDowell, Lonnie Pitchford, Son Thomas, Memphis Minnie, Sam Chatmon, Big Joe Williams and others I can't recall just now.

I guess one's opinion of the practice depends on how you feel about visiting graves in general, but many people do feel that need to pay their respect to an admired artist if they have the opportunity.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG/ Aronowitz post

Another morning passing by as I sit and read and listen to your posts. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying.. :-D


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Posted by:

Bill M

Walt: This is what you said: "However, asking where is Rick's grave is the type of rock necrophelia that the locals despise particularly given the local love for Rick." Maybe you yourself don't think it's necrophilia, but that others in town do - but I don't see how anyone can be faulted for not reading it that way.

BEG: The trailer before "The Battle in Seattle", which we saw yesterday, was a music doc titled "Made in Jamaica". Lots of Toots, it seemed, and certainly much mention of Marley. The TBIS movie is, by the way, pretty much in line with what it was like on the ground at the time (aside from the human-interest subplots, which I would know nothing about).


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Steve, I thought NB's post was quite eloquent . . . but then, what do I know?

I do know that Claire and Abby did drink the entire bottle of wine that JG sent us in Woodstock. I was the designated driver that weekend, so I got to take the Grand Marnier home, which I drank in the privacy of my own home. It was yummy.

Don't remember any kissing of road signs, but Claire may have kissed the ground when she got out of my car at Big Pink b/c of my driving on those mountain roads!

J.F.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: A Visitor's Bill Of Rights

At least that's what I'm calling your completely toneless/one huge paragraph, holding your breath while typing , taking both sides, post to Walt.

That post was wonderful, it was like watching one person playing tennis. THWACK, run to the other side of the net, THWACK, run back to the other side of the net, THWACK..........

NB I had you pegged as a member of that little University College just down the road but I'm now guessing " The Member From Kicking Horse Pass".

PS If you read the posting instructions you'll see how to divide up those endless paragraphs.

While listening to Dylan's Blood On The Tracks the other day I was struck by how much one song, Meet Me In The Morning, sounded like Time Out Of Mind era Dylan. Except for the smoother, sweeter 70's Dylan voice. It certainly would have fit nicely between Dirt Road Blues and Standing in The Doorway.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...and I would have included this cut with The Band because of the lyrics and Robbie's guitar playing!

(November 2, 1973) Planet Waves outtake

Bootleg Series Vol. 2 - 17 Nobody 'Cept You


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I prefer Dylan's "Someone's Got A Hold Of My Heart" outtake from Bootleg Series Vol. 3 then "Tight Connection To My Heart (Has Anybody Seen My Love)" which was recorded on Empire Burlesque (1985).

I dig Dylan because of his idiosyncratic phrasing and singing. The very first time I heard "Like A Rolling Stone" on the radio........I was hit with so much power and awakening. I thought yes.....he's singing about alienation.....he's singing about feeeeeeling it......yes!

Someone's Got A Hold Of My Heart

They say "Drink and be merry, Take the bull by the horns." I keep seeing visions of you, a lily among thorns Everything looks a little far away to me

Gettin' harder and harder to recognize the trap Too much information about nothin' Too much educated rap It's just like you told me, just like you said it would be

The moon rising like wildfire I feel the breath of a storm Something I got to do tonight You go inside and stay warm

Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart You- Yeah, you got a hold of my heart

Just got back from a city of powder blue skies Everybody thinks with their stomach There's plenty of spies Every street is crooked, they just wind around till they disappear

Madame Butterfly, she lulls me to sleep Like an ancient river So wide and deep She said, "Be easy, baby, ain't nothin' worth stealin' here"

You're the one I've been waitin' for You're the one I desire But you must first realize I'm not another man for hire

Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart You, you, you, you Yeah, you got a hold of my heart

I hear the hot-blooded singer On the bandstand croon September Song, Memphis in June While they're beating the devil out of a guy who's wearing a flaming red wig

I been to Babylon I gotta confess I can still hear that voice crying in the wilderness What looks large from a distance, close up is never that big Never could learn to drink that blood and call it wine Never could learn to look at your face and call it mine.

Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart You- Yeah, you got a hold of my heart

Copyright ©1983 Special Rider Music


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and for those of you who missed this one too. COLUMN FORTY-EIGHT, AUGUST 1, 1999 (Copyright (c) 1999 Al Aronowitz)

MY DYLAN PAPERS: PART 1---THE WOODSTOCK FESTIVAL

[History will remember Bob Dylan as the Shakespeare of his era.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I agree with Robbie. When you listen to Rick sing you feel right at home.....missing what you used to have and took for granted....

"Still, several sublime, all-but-forgotten moments from late in their career bring The Band's story full circle. One, "Home Cookin'," a straightforward plea for the comforts of home (and simpler times), "was a lovely surprise," reflects Mr. Robertson, "and it just kinda warmed my heart to hear Rick's singing on that. It's so charming. It's just nice that some of these behind-the-scenes things are captured in this set, too."

Jesse Winchester sang about twigs and seeds but here's an article about.....

Roots and Seeds: Robbie Robertson Digs Into the Archives By LUKE TORN November 15, 2005


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Posted by:

Peter V

Also the USA, Fred. Whenever we commission cartoon artwork from the USA, it's always huge heads and big eyes. And that's contemporary realistic situations!


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: The artiste formerly known as NB

definitely do gophers with big heads & cute, big eyes....you'll be assured success in the Land of the Rising Sun....dare I say it...you'll be...big in Japan. : )


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Posted by:

Peter V

NB: The Gopher Wedding Outside Estevan sounds right up my street. May I give you some advice? If you do the heads disproportionately large, with very big eyes they’ll look even cuter! But what could be cuter than a gopher wedding? I mentioned it to Mrs V and the thought of those little gopher pages and bridesmaids carried us away. We’re hoping you get it done by Christmas! What size is the limited edition? I’d limit it to five figures or it looks like mass production.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I don't know, NB

I don't think you can top those poker playing dogs, but i'm willing to see ;-)


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: NB

Will there be posters available? Framed and unframed?


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: kiss ing the stoll rd sign video

Amazing. I can't find that video. But I did find one that I took in my private room at the Twin Gables(?). IN the video I'm whispering - not sure if that's because it's 5:30 a.m. or if I think I'm on a secret mission -- anyway as I pan the room I see in the corner a half empty bottle (and I'm talking gallon-like bottle) of rum. That just about sums it all up, doesn't it?


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: it was THIS big!

Hmmm. I'll have to look up that video again and see what it was that you were actually doing:) I guess I have wildly imaginative memory banks. When I've finally gone completely senile there's no telling what kind of past I'll have lived. Oh, I can't wait!!


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Posted by:

Claire

Subject: Abby

I did WHAT? I think you must have had some of the Grand Marnier that Jersey Girl sent to our B&B. We did have fun though, didn't we? BTW, thanks for "youthenizing" me.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: "Cat Chasing A Ball of Wool": A Tough Act To Follow

As hard as it would be to surpass the earlier blockbuster artistic and financial success I encountered with "Cat Chasing A Ball of Wool", I think I've got a real winner on my easel at the moment. It's called "Gopher Wedding Outside of Estevan" with the bride, the groom and the entire gopher wedding party in formal attire. It's set on the prairie with of course the majestic, cosmopolitan Estevan skyline in the background. It's such a poignant piece of art, I think even Norm would get teary-eyed. And once I find a way to work in Rambo, it'll literally have something for everyone. How many copies can I put you down for Steve ? Jeffo ? Others ? (Oh crap, did I just accidentally advertise and now owe Jan $1,000 ? Oh, crap, crap, crap !)


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Posted by:

Friend0

Steve, I'm wondering how long ago your property was a herring farm. And with good reason. Herring, as Peter will certainly attest, has a particularly powerful pungency. Staying power as well. Cow dung, as we all know, is aromatic. I'm hoping that the herring odor left long ago and not had a chance to mingle with the manure odor. But, all in all, I'd venture that your soil is rather rich. Smelly, but rich.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Dylan

Just a quick history of mine re: Dylan, in an attempt to work out 'does dylan leave his best stuff off his albums'...

It's an interesting question. For many years, I wondered at the Dylan cult. After all, he sings 'out of tune', he often plays 'the wrong harmonica (a B when the song is in A, et cetera..)', his phrasing is unconventional. Stay with me here.

I started mellowing to dylan when I heard The Band. With the help of some friends (including some Dankettes online), I dug out 'blonde on blonde' and 'john wesley harding'.

there's still a lot I don't like about Dylan: I don't think I'll ever liek 'Rainy Day Women #24.' (I acknowledge, however, that it is some people's favourite.) The song that turned me around is 'Stuck inside of Mobile with the memphis blues again/ (or instead? I'm not a Dylan expert...)'. It has all the things I don't like about Dylan, yet it works wonderfully.

someone on little pink (Kevin J?) once posted that Dylan had a really authentic voice - you needed a deep knowledge of the music to appreciate where he was coming from.

I think coming to Dylan late has helped me understand him better. As a lyricist, I think Joan Baez expressed it best when she described Dylan telling her htat he doesn't mean anything when he wrties - he just looks for words that sound good. Yet 'Forever Young' is, to me, as beautiful a prayer as any you'll find...

I found it hard to disagree with the contention that we forget the initial impression that the songs made on us, after we've heard them hundreds of times...

None of this makes sense, I guess. Call it my attempt to channel Dylan in prose.

The other thing I really like about Dylan is that 'Bob dylan' is a fictional character, so he can make up the past, et cetera. This separation must have helped him keep his sanity at certain points.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Walt, If I May

Your two posts in total did leave me with the impression, mistakenly, that you personally felt visitors to your wonderful town who were there seeking pop culture weren't focusing enough on other apects of your town/area. Thank you for correcting me on this score. In your first post (Tues) you mentioned how the constant questioning got under some townspeople's skins. Your very next point was the prescriptive idea that tourists should get out and look and listen carefully to the fine music hidden in the streams, etc. . As you didn't express this as the view of other Woodstock residents, I took it to be your view and hence that you thought visitors weren't doing proper justice to the many other wonderful facets of your town. While regretable for them if they do, I still maintain that it's the visitor's perogative to decide if their visit to a given location has merely a single focus. I see tourists to my town, province and country as my guests so as such I don't try to change their focus/interests -certainly not to spare myself repetitive questions. (And you Walt, weren't doing that here in the GB either, contrary to my impression). I merely try to assist them in their investigations, be what they may. Note I did not use your name nor the word "you" in my sentence re: presumptuousness as I was fully aware that you were (at times) in your posts giving your own views and at other times merely stating some of the prevailing views in Woodstock. I did enjoy all that you had to say about a very special place that I certainly plan to revisit. I do try not to offend in this toneless medium and but have clearly failed on this occasion. I meant to take exception to a view/position, not to come across as judging anyone on the basis of a mere two posts. Hopefully I'm not quite that presumptuous, although I'm probably at least as presumptuous as the next guy (except Steve, of course). Anyway Walt, the only people I badger here are those who repeatedly badger others. Kind of like Dexter, a serial- killer of serial-killers if you will. Otherwise, "I Don't Mean Nobody No Harm" as the song says.


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Posted by:

Steve

Maybe, Bob, like other musicians doesn't always recognize what will fly til he gives it wings and sets it free.

From ATGD; Curiously enough , given that it remains probably The Band's most famous song- covered by everyone from Aretha Franklin to The Temptations to The Supremes--'The Weight' was recorded only as an afterthought for Big Pink. " The Weight" was, like, "OK, this doesn't have a very complicated chord progression, it's just kind of traditional, so we'll cut that when we get stuck for a song," 'recalled Robbie.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: BROWN EYED GIRL

thanks for the link...love the timbre & the words of Mr. Hudson.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: KEVINJ

good point,thanks.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks Pat for the review of Garth in Vienna....but that's it? Huh, huh?

EURO LIKE ME AN AMERICAN-AUSTRIAN-ETHIOPIAN-NIGERIAN FAMILY IN VIENNA WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2008 nice work, part 2

"Well, yes, that was pretty fucking fun.

Garth Hudson wore black. Black pants, black shirt, black gaucho cowboy hat. Black bomber jacket with "Los Lobos" on the back and "Garth" embroidered on the lapel. He still has long hair and the beard. Says he shaved once. In 1973.

He told me about McKinney's Cotton Pickers, Charles Brown, Sonny Boy Williamson. About playing in bars with chicken wire in front of the stage. He talked about the jazz pianist Art Tatum as if he was an infinitely mysterious alien force.

He even talked about Bob Dylan a bit. He said Dylan worked an Olivetti typewriter like a jazz player taking a solo. He told me that he and Dylan used an Ampex tape recorder to make the Basement Tapes.

He told me about The Band, his band. He said the great and tragic Richard Manuel was the finest "energy" piano player he ever saw, and that Manuel's favorite sandwich was whole grain bread, a sweet red onion, and peanut butter. And he said The Band liked to play "the kind of music that could be performed by guys who wanted to be young forever."

What is it about talking to musicians and hearing stories about the making of great albums that still punches my ticket? I'll probably never know...."


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Posted by:

Plochmann Lane

Location: NH.
Web: My link

Subject: Rick's grave.

Joan & Jack - the grave has changed a bit. There are two separate stones as Eli's has been in place for a while & about 1-2 yrs ago a similar stone w/ Rick's name was laid next to it. Checkout our blog (link above) & click on the "Rick Danko" posts @ the right of our blog to get directions to the cemetary, to their graves & grave stones next to their's as markers. They are not terrifically easy to find.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: It's an outtake so it must be better

Walt: An interesting observation on how just hearing a different arrangement or a song left off can automatically lead some to proclaim its superiority. My take is this: Some stunning songs were left off albums for reasons that are hard to fathom. These songs were clearly better than some of the stuff that made the cut - though not necessarily better than the best songs on the albums that we all know and love. As to the rearrangements - my opinion is that Dylan made the right choice 95% of the time as to what made the final cut.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Chopping Block: Bob Dylan & The Band Posted by Chris Clancy on July 13, 2008


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

OhJeffoh! Here's the show green eyed girl, Cobi (who posted here at one time) and I attended. The Johnnie Johnson with The Weber Brothers. May 15, 2004. :-D


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Blonde On Blonde

Peter: Come to think of it, one can overboard too trying to track down the various versions of "Blonde On Blonde", which have been officially released over the years, that feature different mixes.


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Posted by:

David P.

Kevin J: "Infidels" is an interesting example, as you could compile a complete multiple-disc "official bootleg" set of outtakes, alternate versions & studio jams from those sessions alone. Of course the illegal bootleggers have already done this. Dylan brought in Mark Knopfler to co-produce and help him assemble the musicians. It's interesting to note that these sessions yielded both the familiar acoustic version of "Blind Willie McTell", as well as an electric one.


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Posted by:

walt

i've burned holes in Ballad of a Thin Man.Whether album,cd or whatever that song can never be played enough....along with many others!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Continuous replays …

Walt, I'm a continuous replays person. There are several tracks that i just repeat again and again … I reckon the day I groan "Oh, not again!" to Visions of Johanna is the day they'll take me away.


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Posted by:

walt

Hi,Mr. Viney.My name here is Walt & you can address me by name.I believe i do NOT bite. i am joking around.Why do i feel like a robot? Wiggle Wiggle--love that one & once saw Bob(in the Larry Campbell era!) do a killer Silvio.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Born in Time

Kevin J … thank you, but that’s really depressed me! My memory is getting shot. It used to be dreadful on people’s names, but good on music. No wonder Born in Time sounded familiar. So why does Tell Tale Signs list it as an Oh, Mercy outtake? But the Tell Tale signs version IS better.

It is a cliché that Dylan is the worst judge of his own material …andBlind Willie McTell seals the argument. Red River Shore is a classic. There are several worse tracks on Time Out of Mind.

I think he was more assured on his choices earlier … listening to the Highway 61 Revisited / Blonde on Blonde outtakes, I reckon he chose the right songs back then. When you’re that prolific, I guess you forget stuff easily.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Dylan: "Under the Red Sky" has always been a favorite album of mine. It was savaged by critics but very unfairly. Some goofy lyrics to be sure but many beautiful melodies. 'Born in Time" comes a mere 3 tracks after the immortal "Wiggle Wiggle"

Bootleg Series Vols 1-3: Simply the best "outtakes" work ever released - in fact no other artist or band is even on the list. To David's P's point about revisiting original works after seeing what was also recorded during a session. 'Every Grain of Sand" would lead you to disappointment by checking out "Shot Of Love" while "Foot of Pride" or "Blind Willie McTell" would lead to great satisfaction by listeniing to 'Infidels" - Dylan's best work during the last 25 years of the 20th century.


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Posted by:

walt

Mr. Viney,i understand your question asking why Dylan omits his best songs from albums,but i must ask: Perhaps that is a myth many of us repeat? Because it is possible,given the bizarre nature of the human mind,that the omitted songs are most often awesome,but we kinda "forget" how special the songs we've gotten used to on official releaseswould sound to our ears if they were given a fresh listen. Although,it's tough to keep it fresh when we play it over & over--do continuous replays jade our ears to the omitted songs as time goes on? Any thoughts? Opinions?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Marvin Gaye

The above link is just another example of how great Marvin Gaye truly was. An Anthem turned to magic on that one night.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jack

Photo" Yes Jack you are right. You can see a photo of it on his niece Danielle's Myspace Rick site.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Tell Tale Signs

Listening to the songs on "Tell Tale Signs" has led me on the path to revisit the original albums from which the session material was sourced. The only clue I can gather as to why Dylan often omits some of his better work from the official releases is that he keeps reworking many of his songs, trying to find an arrangement that works best.

Last week I found a new sealed copy of the hybrid-SACD version of "Love and Theft" on sale for $8.99 at a Barnes & Noble store near Georgia Tech.


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Posted by:

Jack

Subject: Joan / Rick's Grave

Joan the picture of Rick's grave is no longer viable. It is in the same spot of course; but now two names are on the same stone. Rick and son Eli and I believe it is now a flat stone.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Tell Tale Signs

You know when you get that thing about a track … where you have to keep playing it over and over. i picked up the bug with "Born in Time" from Tell Tale Signs yesterday. It's a deceptively gentle song, but you really have to play it loud to work. Melodically it fits the Street Legal era to me.

So why does Bob Dylan fail to put his best songs on his albums? Beats me.


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Posted by:

Friend0

The thing with Rick, a large degree of it well expressed by NB, is he legitimately touched people's lives, total strangers that he never met, in a powerful positive way. Not the typical rock star way. we are not talking about the elvis, Madonna, or Dylan kinds of worship or however the different applicabe ways of describing the way fans might relate to those or other entertainers, or cultural figures. Rick Danko is not a household name. Richard Manuel is not a household name. Yet, Dunc flew from Scotland and made his way to Stratford and visited Richard's grave. For the most part, i'd venture the majority of people who do wish to visit Rick's grave, are hopefully legit. Are not starfucker types, and have a legit reason to want to visit Rick's grave. I never have msyelf, not to say I may not some time in the future. But I do have clear memories of talking to Rick all over Woodstock & other places. I have a real clear memory of Rick playing in that cement park past the cemetery, there were some basketball courts and playground things in there, I forget what the place is called. of course, it's Rock City Road.That was a long time ago, early mid 80s. But when i'm over that way, that's one of the images of Rick that comes to mind. not being cold in the ground. And for the people who never got to see him perform, or neevr got to tal to him, itsoeaks very strongly of Rick's legacy that many of those peopel would want to pay respects. And communicate somehow,some way. I'd bet most fo the time it is not weird.

Fr a good perspective on visiting a gravesite, reference the two songs by former woodstock area resident Geoff Muldaur. Got To Find Blind Lemon, parts 1 &2, might be the names of the songs. I have Password, which has one part. It's about visiting the grave of Blind Lemon Jefferson, who has several famous songs, one of them titled, see That My Grave Is Kept Clean.


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Posted by:

walt

Very nice of you to post directions,Joan. Stabbi0--all good!


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Finding Big Pink

Photo directions from Jan's site


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Rick's grave

I posted this recently. How to find Rick's grave. This removes the necessity of asking for directions. I also believe the directions to Big Pink are on Jan's site.


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Posted by:

stabbio

Subject: oh, walt

Oh, Walt – we bothered no one. And I spent quite a bit of money while I was there in old Woodstock. The majority of people were probably glad to have me there. And I am as decent a person as anyone. Trust me. I’m too decent most of the time. A little indecency might do me some good.


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Posted by:

ABBY

Location: KY

Subject: WOODSTOCK

Yeah, my excitement came from within, Bama. And you’d already been there several times before….wasn’t the same for you. ---I stayed in that little tiny single room in the Green Gables (whatever it was called – Twin Gables?) I recall being up half the night – like a kid on xmas eve – I couldn’t sleep. I was so excited and delighted. I’ve still got and still watch that video of Claire kissing that mailbox on Stoll….and my (very silly step by step commentary) . Not sure how accurate my memory of all this is -- I just know I was as excited as hell to be at Big Pink. Heck, I’m pretty sure sure I saw Rick standing in the upstairs bedroom window! Nothing else in my lifetime has brought back that feeling of being 12 yrs old and staring at that big pink house on that album cover and wondering…wondering what it was like -- as that trip to Big Pink and Woodstock did. Well, maybe visiting Jr’s farm and standing where the Next of Kin stood and listening to ol’ Jr. talk about his little brother was a very, very , very close second…. Hey, Nirvana is in the mind of the beholder, right? thanks for the empathy, Jean. I do believe we’re talking about that same 14 day misery


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Some thoughts:

The last few weeks of this GB have been about the best it has been in a few years. Great music discussion and really thoughful pieces about Woodstock.

Guitar Player: The new GP with Santana on the cover is a great edition. A transcendent interview with Carlos ( I know he can get a bit hippy dippy at times but trust me on this one - it is one of the great interviews that I have ever read ), a piece on Lindsey Buckingham and just a great profile of the late great Mick Ronson.

Roger Waters: Always really liked him and nice to see a quote like that.

Kings of Leon: Listened to their new album while on a long drive - sounded very good. Funny - also listened to Blonde on Blonde and realized all these years later that only 2 songs I wanted to listen to again. Love and Theft on the other hand - I can play over and over and enjoy every track.

Peter V: Not sure if you have seen it but there is a pretty good documentary on Long John Baldry which features some video of Rod Stewart in his band from that era.


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Posted by:

Steve

Easy, Walt. Remember, Abby/Stabbio has said she's sick. Take her at her word.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Need Directions

I may be heading out soon to look for the grave of Virgil Caine's unnamed brother. Mud below my feet ain't much to go on, Map Quest, as usual, has been no help. Can anybody draw a bead on the place for me?

Friend0, herring should always be planted head down with just the tip of the tail protruding through the soil. Remember these are schooling fish. If they get their heads above ground they see each other and you end up with a herring pile instead of that nice herring row.

Walt, don't take Northern Boy too seriously. Remember, he's just a boy, and boys will be boys.

I have some of his early(1985 to 90) works of art. I can honestly say NB is an artist who stays within the lines, most of the time. A copy of his piece de resistance from that period, the commercially successful, 200 copies sold, paint by numbers, Craft Master " Cat Chasing a Ball Of Wool", hangs proudly in our calving barn. The barn cats love it.


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Posted by:

walt

Subject: Stabbi0

If you didn't care maybe you should reconsider--why would you NOT care? Wouldn't any decent person care if they upset someone? Or,do our own needs permit us to blow someone off & not care?


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Abby, what the woman said was that "it's just a big pink house". . . and then her voice trailed off mumbling something else. Didn't bother me either. I didn't consider her "unfriendly."

Obviously, I should have no other comment on Woodstock since I started this by answering JQ's innocent post/question.

Living in metro D.C. we do see our share of tourists. Then at times, we are tourists. I don't mind giving directions or advice . . . just watch your driving/walking downtown -- you can be run over w/o a second thought AND remember on the train (and I'm sure New Yawkers will agree): "stand to the right, walk on the left!"

We have visited the various gravesites of presidents, civil war generals, etc., on our travels about the country. The only two musicians' graves I have visited are Rick Danko's and Jim Morrison. I live about 10 miles from the church where F. Scott Fitzgerald is buried -- keep thinking I'll stop, but never do. I belive Francis Scott Key is buried close by here too -

J.F.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Thanks for responding Jack! You helped imagezulu remember the concert almost 40 years ago! He was around 18 himself. I'm sure he really dug Booker T and The MGS as well!

"Here is the true meaning and value of compassion and nonviolence, when they help us to see the enemy's point of view, to hear her/his questions, to know her/his assessment of ourselves. For from her/his view we may indeed see the basic weaknessess of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the sisters and brothers who are called the opposition."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Charlie, as someone who rarely visits graves or markers, it's a strange thing, but I HAVE seen Jim Morrison's in Paris. I was just making sure he was there ;-)

Not really … it was just on the early 70s obligatory tourist trail around Paris … Pere Lachaise. Every so many years I read a novel I like so much that I buy multiple copies and send them to friends.

One such novel was "The Hat of Victor Noir" by Adrian Matthews, whose theme is this very cemetery. A brilliant book. Highly recommended.

Jean, in Bournemouth, where I was born, 1600 is pre-history. The first house dates back to only 1823.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

I saw longtime Woodstock resident John Sebastian join his friend of 46 years, David Grisman, in a fine duo concert last week. The two met in an elevator at New York University in 1962 and began a musical friendship when young Mr. Grisman spotted young Mr. Sebastian's belt of different-key harmonicas. They were soon making music together at nearby Washington Square Park as they began two of the most remarkable musical journeys in the last half century. They are a great team and I hope they continue performing together for years to come.

As for the gravesite discussion, it made me realize I've been to a lot of historical graves but very few of musicians. In may local region it's easy to visit the grave of Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and other presidents, but John Phillip Sousa is one of the few musician's graves I've visited. F. Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald are buried in Rockville, Maryland, with a quote from "The Great Gatsby" adoring their stone. I've been there a couple of times.

The big cemetary in Paris, Pere Lachaise, is one I visited years ago and I imagine Peter goes there often to pay his respects to Jim Morrison. Seriously, I see why tourists flock there when others interred at Pere Lachaise include George Melies, Marcel Proust, Georges Bizet, Georges Seurat, Frederick Chopin, Simone Signoret, Stephane Grapellie (who played music with David Grisman!), Maria Callas, Isadora Duncan, Max Ernst, Oscar Wilde, Gertrude Stein and Edith Piaf. People are dying to get in there! [Sorry, that's one of my father's old jokes I can never resist] Pere Lachaise has an amazing interactive website featuring a virtual tour. It's nice to see they've cleaned the spray paint and crap from Mr. Morrison's grave since I saw it. There's also a mysterious man named simply "Roberston" who live from 1763 to 1837 and is listed as a "physicien, magicien" on the website. Hmmm...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Across The Great Divide

Robbie Robertson was the first to move away from the Woodstock area, perhaps yielding to his wife's feelings, moving first to Montreal and later to Malibu, where the rest of The Band would join him.


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Posted by:

Jean

Stabbi0, if you've got what was going around here a few weeks ago you have my sympathies. It was a 14 day bug.


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Posted by:

stabbi0

Subject: ugghhhh

Oh my gosh, friend0 -yes, I know you love me BUT my flu is of the stomach variety. drink warm water...oregano.......ugghhhh...... I rolled into work today carrying a box of crackers. When I visited woodstock (with Jan, btw) we asked a lady on the side of the road where Big Pink was (we knew directions but wanted to make sure we were still on-track). I don't think the lady resented it too much. We were stilly early 50-s giddy women. ACtually, if they didn't like it -- I didn't care


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Posted by:

Walt

And,Northern boy,i never suggested that those seeking pop history aren't visiting the rest of the area in the first place. Nor was i speaking for me,but rather,i was trying to give some sense of how some locals feel or may see things. But,Northern Boy you have the need to call someone out in a negative way--you are clearly a product of cowardly internet culture where name calling is the childish order of this internet high school.


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Posted by:

walt

Northern boy--never said you shouldn't visit Rick's grave--you should if you want to. Yet,you resort to calling me presumptuous because i may see things differently than you do. Interesting.


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Posted by:

Jean

Carol, I was referring to the move west and the subsequent fame and how that changed the dynamic within the group. At least that's what I've read and I think I've seen it supported in discussions here and in the archives.

I don't know anything about J2Rs or Mrs. J2Rs so I cannot speak to their personal warmth. Marcus does have an interesting way with words, but the ones he quoted from Mrs. Robbie were in actual quotation marks so I don't know if I'd call them filtered.

Again, I've never been to Woodstock, NY. I'm sure it is a charming town like most charming towns in these parts (I mapquested it and it is approximately 89 miles from where I live). With the exception of Jackie O. who graduated from the local girls prep school, no one truly famous has ever lived here (well, I guess Fifty Cent lived here for a while but I think he's gone - I never went looking for his house but I think it can be seen driving up Rattlesnake Mountain aka Route 6 - but I'm not sure). We do get our fair share of tourists who tour Historic Main Street and the surrounding village. Some of the homes and cemeteries date back to the 1600's and they draw a little crowd (apologies to those of you across the pond - I realize something built in the 1600's is considered new construction in your part of the world).

And for the last several weeks, this part of the USA has been packed with leaf peepers.

Many years ago I was at a business conference with representatives from a bunch of insurance companies. Some folks from Mass Mutual or the Phoenix were there and were making all kinds of disparaging comments about the tourists who show up in Historic Deerfield (Ma) in their LL Bean jackets and dropping big bucks at the Yankee Candle flagship store. They really looked down on those folks which I found curious because the folks working at Yankee Candle are always quite pleasant. I'm sure the traffic is a pain to the locals, but that's one of those prices you pay for living in a town that attracts tourists. If you live there before the town becomes a tourist destination, I think you're got a right to complain. If you move there after the town is already a tourist destination, then you probably should have known what you were getting into. Like when we moved to this house, I knew it was going to take me between 20 and 30 minutes each morning to travel less than 3 miles to get to the highway to go to work. I hate that part of living here, but I knew what I was doing so I can't really complain about it now.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Walt of Woodstock

People have a profound love of Rick throughout the world, not just Woodstockers, and feel through his music that they knew him even though they never even met him. As a Candadian who travelled 3,000 miles to your town, I'm not going to visit Woodstock and not try to pay my respects at his grave. This is my way of acknowledging what a fellow countryman has accomplished and a way of saying thanks for what he's given and continues to give me. I think any civilly asked question deserves a similar response. I visited the Canadian veterans cemetery in Holden, Holland a few years ago. I have visited the Canadian Group of Seven (painters) gravesites. I just don't see the "necrophelia" bit in honouring people who gave something important to your life, be it art, music or your freedom. And visiting Rick's grave (which I couldn't find), or sneaking a discreet peak at Big Pink doesn't mean you didn't also take in all the natural beauty of the place or explore the non-Rock aspects of Woodstock. Presumptuous to assume this of visitiors. Myself, I also went around looking for original oil paintings by early 20th century painter, John F. Carlson, a seminal figure in the early Woodstock art scene and one of my favourite painters. I was disappointed in only finding two of his works. Where are you people hiding his paintings (he asked civilly) ? He's brilliant and his book "A Guide to Landscape Painting" remains a bible among artists (like me) to this very day, sixty years after his death.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Steve, how deep do you plant a herring? Do they require lots of rain, weeding, etc? What is the turn around time on a crop? What about varmints? Do they harass the herring crop?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Gazing at people's homes etc

Walt, I see that about grave sites. Personally, it wouldn’t occur to me to even ask, but I know that my home town has a sheet of paper at the information office and library with all that stuff … and we had visitors who wanted to see Mary Shelley’s resting place last year. And of course we were not acquainted with Mary Shelley so there was no personal dimension.

It’s a bit like the Homes of the Stars tours in Hollywood. I know the score because here in Poole around this time of year the buses full of vacationing retirees clog up the leafier streets and beachside areas looking at the homes of the footballers and football managers. OK, most of us wouldn’t be interested in looking at the Portsmouth manager’s multi-million pound pile, but some people clearly are. There is an ex-England player living very near us, and if someone asked me, I’d feel it rude to my neighbour to give directions.

But it’s a penalty of living in a nice place. You can’t blame people for wanting to come and spend their money in your town. And even a grumpy resident like me has to admit we have a wider choice of restaurants, shops, cafés, cinemas and theatres because they do.


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Posted by:

Walt

Once again,i am not justifying rude behavior from anyone in woodstock or any place.However,asking where is Rick's grave is the type of rock necrophelia that the locals despise particularly given the local love for Rick.Some here may disagree,but many in Woodstock that i know find it disrespectful.Also,the questioning is repetitive for these folks & to begin with,as i said,stay & act cool.I've seen tourists ask questions & practically drooling they can be assured a nasty response. As for groups of visitors, there has been,at times, a zoo like atmosphere from gawking tourists(summer weekends are wild) that makes locals feel like the "hippie animals" they used to exhibit in SF @ the Haight. So,visit Woodstock,get directions before leaving to your favorite places(it IS possible to do),& enjoy the beauty & magic.And,no Mr. Viney,i don't think local Woodstock residents will give out written instructions to Big Pink or any other place--not their style & although it is a custom in other places in Woodstock it would not happen. Finally,we must realize that there are more ARTISTS,musicians(all styles),painters,writers,etc. in Woodstock & to them The Band or Dylan are not the musicians they follow or adore & they are angry & sick & tired of what all this popularity has done to the artistic quality of the town. Even,Dylan hated it(see Chronicles) because idiot "fans" were sitting uninvited on his property,in his kitchen,gawking,never giving him peace---no not the locals,but outsiders who came & chased poor Bob away by scaring him & his family.Believe it or not there are many who feel their town was overrun by pop music culture of the 60's & they,as serious artists resented it....& some still do! Therefore,I suggest again,just play it cool & you'll find there are some real friendly & decent people in Woodstock as long as they aren't treated like our tour guides! I love The Band,Dylan as much as many,but in Woodstock there is more to life.Music enhances that beauty & expands it.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Woodstock And Other Tourist Towns

Northern Boy, while you're right, of course, about the fact* thousands of North American towns have no touristic draw, it's also true that thousands do.

The American civil war, as the historians will tell you, was fought in 10,000 places and many of those have been tourist destinations for people who are interested in such things.

Here in Quebec I can think of a dozen or more right off the top of my pointy little head.

The fact* that Hope has become a tourist destination because of its part in that most historic series of forgettable flicks should tell you how low the bar is set when it comes to being a worthy touristic destination.

As the proud owner of the original Herring Hill Farm, on Herring Road, I can't tell you the number of times I've had to stop working to explain the history of inland herring farming to city dwellers who see the Herring Hill Farm sign.

* Since this post was directed to NB, the word, fact, is used in no actual relation to the generally understood meaning of the word, F A C T.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Greil Marcus Finds Meaning in Bob Dylan's Basement REVIEWED BY, STEVE SILBERMAN, Special to The Chronicle Sunday, May 25, 1997 Invisible republic

Bob Dylan's Basement Tapes By Greil Marcus Henry Holt; 286 pages; $22.50


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

15 JULY 2008 Asylum Mix: Bob Dylan's Black Dalli Rue 1965/1966. I didn't know that "Black Dalli Rue" was the workin' title for "Positively Fourth Street".....mp3's included.

Thanks dlew919....I'll look forward to reading the article on Sid and Nancy.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: To Quote Father Mulcahy

Dlew, that was its purpose, jocularity, jocularity, jocularity!!!


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Punk sensibilities - beware
Web: My link

Subject: 30 Years since Nancy Spungeon died (of Sid and Nancy)

I know not many of you will be interested, but I found this article on the death of punk (with the deaths fo Nancy and Sid) fascinating... Lou Reed gets mentioned.


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Posted by:

Cynthia McCall-Gandy

Location: Smyrna, Georgia

Subject: Big Fan! Love The Band

Absolutely love The Band. Fan for many years. Fifty Now, but still loving The Band. Would like to have an address to contact Levon Helm as I have some Lyrics for him to review work with if he is interested. Thanks,


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: David P., Far East Man

Thanks to you two, as well. Ill chase up both versions. I think it's a great song, so even if these aren't the one, I'll enjoy listening to it...

Steve: couldn't help but laugh at the J2R's quality of Lou's voice...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Dorset

My grandad, born deep in deepest Dorset, was a miserable old bugger. Anyway, my dad (having been a motor sales rep in Dorset all his life) always said the most popular expression in rural Dorset was "There be a stranger. Heave half a brick at he."

From some of these stories, it sounds as if some of my close relatives might have found their grumpy way to the Catskills.

Tourist places get bad reputations because of the Basil Fawlty syndrome; people who find themselves in the tourist trade when they shouldn't really be in it. There are always some. People said the same things to us about Sedona (an equally touristic place with lots of hippy shops) but we found everyone charming and friendly. This is not due to me (who carries the Dorset grumpy heritage) but to Mrs V who always ends up in friendly conversation with storekeepers.

Yesterday I was appalled at the reception people got at Arrivals at London Heathrow airport. I was picking up my son and went to get a newspaper. I was sixth or seventh in line and the only non-American in line. The two women on the cash registers maintained a loud conversation in Hindi or Gujarati and only grunted prices at customers. in spite of an unfailingly polite line of people, they did not say "please" or "thank you" once. I think that IS a problem when you put people in front of visitors. They need to be taught basic communication skills.

So if you own a store in Woodstock, you photocopy a slip of paper with the requisite directions. But in most places the local tourist board would produce a sheet of paper with the requisite stuff on. BUT that would be unfair to Big Pink's owners, I guess.


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Posted by:

Tracy

In my case, I had gone up to Woodstock to attend business. It had nothing to do with the souvenir shops. It had nothing to do with The Band. What I experienced that day was not warmth and hospitality. I made no mention of any of the things related to Woodstock. The town folk seemed to question why we were there in the first place. It was their territory and they did not like outsiders for anything.

On this subject of Woodstock, like Jean mentioned about Mrs. Robertson, it's ideal for some and not for others. If you're not all the way used to country living then Woodstock is not the type of town you would want to live in. In the Robertsons case, both came from big cities (Toronto and Montreal). Let's not forget that before their big move to California they were planning on settling in Montreal instead. It's all about personal preference. Hey, some people find it easy to adapt to certain changes whether it is surrounding wise or climate change. I myself prefer the North Shore of Massachusetts. That's where I personally feel the love and warmth, not to mention great music. I'm kind of surprised that nobody has said anything against Dylan who up and moved his family to NYC instead of wanting to stay in idyllic Woodstock or Van Morrison moving to Boston. Then again, I shouldn't be too surprised when any Robertson is mentioned. Not in The Band community.

All of this is not to deter anyone from forming their own opinion on Woodstock. By all means people should go and check it out. Whatever the outcome is just that. THEIR outcome.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Interesting and not untypical Woodsotck/woodstock area person and project. Many of you will be familiar with Amy Fradon. Though this is a Esther Frances project. My cousin was the drummer, he's left the area, moved out west a few years back. Amy is a great singer, my cousin was always the drummer of choice for both she & Leslie Ritter. I don't recall which of them , but one had a aversion to drummers. Drummers can tend to overplay, but not Mike. Mike also played with Artie Traum whenever he was available.

Ken McGloin, a great, tasteful guitarit, all around nice guy, is on it too. Ken was in Davida and The Eclectics with Mike. Davida was a short chick, incredible singer, great pair of lungs.


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Posted by:

Jack

Subject: CCR 1969

Opening acts for CCR that night. Wilbur Harrison opened the show singing his hits, Kansas City and Let's Get Together. Then Booker T & The Mg's; brought their shipment of Green Onions. Followed by the headliner CCR.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Walt, i don't know exactly how it is these days, but the entire area used to seem to try to support live music. It did seem to die down considerably in the mid and the late 90s. early 2000s too.

there were always places trying, places popping up. I remember seeing Eddie Shaw & The Wolf Gang in a large cavernous building in Kingston. just down 9w from the mall. 1989. or 1990. Saw shows in all sorts of places, there were restaurants galore tryign with good music, you must rememebdr. I remember seeing Winston Grennan playing in restaurant/ bars, and blowing my mind with his great drums ( I had a friend, Mnina, who lived in that same enormous house, subdivided into apartments, that Winston lived in. Circa 1989, 1990. He was always working on that school bus) The Hoppens, or one of them, in a restaurant/ bar. One of the great Parker brothers on drums. Joshus'a even tried music upstairs, Junior ellis, pee wee's son, had a band used to play up there, Blue Food i think it was. I would imagine there are places that still try, it seemed someone was always trying to get something going for bands to play. In every which direction. Up 28. Over the river too of course.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I'm looking forward to Pat's nterview with Garth Hudson

"Garth Hudson's organ playing is the carnival, and Robbie Robertson's guitar sounds like the helpless shrug of a three-time loser. As I listened to the song for the first time in years, I started grinning like an idiot."

rozzzz! Rickie Leeeee couldn't get out of bed for two weeks!!! It was around the time Tom was singing that song about how he never wanted to get married.....

The person in the Woodstock Music Shop was very friendly. Although he showed us where the cemetary was near by.....I still couldn't find Rick's resting place and it pissed me off! I was sooooo close and yet so far away. Someone in a casual place for lunch kept asking my partner which radio station he was from 'cause of his deeeeep voice. She wouldn't let up. lol All I knew after this weekend trip was that I wanted to return.

imagezulu told me yesterday that he actually saw CCR in 1969 in Maple Leaf Gardens! I wasn't even in highschool then. Sometimes it's very cool to be older at the right time!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Stabbi0

Go get a bottle of standardized extract oil of oregano. It's a tincture. Oreganol is a decent brand. There are better, but it is all fired important that it be a standardized extract and oreganol is that. And not hard to find. Drop two or three drops in a cup of luke warm water, drink up. Better yet, drink down. Do that 2 or 3 times a day. You'll knock that cold out one, two three. Also, any time you feel like a cold is coming, do that, you likely won't get sick.

Get a bottle of capsules of standardized extract olive leaf extract. Take three of them three times a day, in conjunction with the Oreganol. Once you are well, take one olive leaf extract two or three xs daily. Who loves ya Stabby?


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Further Woodstock Thoughts

I can understand how the same questions could get a little tiresome for Woodstock residents . "Where's Big Pink ?" Where's Rick's grave ?" etc. . My little town (Hope, British Columbia) saw the birth of the Rambo series, as "First Blood" was filmed here. While I personally have little use for violence as entertainment and would even prefer to watch a chick flick, I have directed countless people to the "First Blood" filming locations and have (for free) painted a photo-board for the town so tourists can stick their heads through a Rambo cut-out, and take the pic home as a souvenir. I'm not saying Woodstockers should put up with rude tourists, and Big Pink is a private residence so there's special issues there. But it's always good to keep in mind that there's thousands of North American towns that have nothing at all of a special nature to draw tourists to them.

Personally, I had wonderful lengthy chats with two Woodstock residents; one had even attended Rick's funeral.But upon politely asking one shopkeeper (with a music-related business) for help in finding Rick's grave, he informed me that he "ain't no freakin' gravedigger". Even which of the two town cemeteries Rick was could be found in would've sent us on our way and only taken five seconds out of his busy, charm-exuding day. Perhaps this charisma-deficit individual will come to my town some day and will need directions to the Rambo filming locations. Now while I certainly ain't no freakin' tour guide and furthermore ain't even no freakin' film buff, I believe I would still be more than willing to tell him exactly where to go./nPS. We Band fans are, by-and-large, a pretty decent lot. Visit the graveyard in Montmartre (Paris) where Jim Morrison is buried. I've gone by it but not actually gone in. Apparently many of the adjacent headstones have been defaced by Jim's fan base during their pilgrimages there. And this cemetery houses a great many people of historical significance; writers, philosophers and artists. I'd be very surprised if Woodstock ever had much in the way of such graffitti calling cards left by fans of Danko, Dyaln, The Band or that other Morrison singer whom I personally prefer over Jim by a ridiculous margin.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Houses of The Holy

Cut & pasted from a e mail from a israeli disc jockey:

"Yesterday is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, And today? today is a gift, That's why we call it the present." Babatunde Olatunji

Very well said Walt. BTW, when i wrote "not everything had Woodstock in the name, which pisses me off." what i meant was that the branding of Woodstock bothers me. The name The Millstream Motel was beautiful. The Pincerest was sure better than the name they later took. Seeing woodstock in the name of every other business, well, you said it yourself, the place is so much more. I don't go for branding.

I've probably written this a dozen times. Of all the places i've lived, the house and property down at the bottom of Racetrack Road was the best & most peaceful. It was a blue two story house, with a cedar walled bath and shower on the main level. The top floor was just a large bedroom, with large built in seats in some of the windows. Staircase led right into the bedroom. The bedroom walls were practically window all the way around. Lots of light, and a great breeze, the house was in the pines, I mean really in the pines. The sound they made was absolutely beautiful.And it was cool all summer long. But as moist as the place was, it was starting to rot from the base up. It would need work and soon. Nancy MacDonald owned it, she had had Nancy's Attic in town, but closed it up, and was moving to Olivebridge with her boyfriend. Nancy rented it to me from april till the end of sept, said I could stay as long as I wanted past that, at a low rent but doubted i'd want to stay much past sept, and told me me it's a rough road for winter. Which was obvious. It was a rough road for spring, summer, & fall too. Was honest about everything,& needing a 4 wheel drive in winter. Plus she didn't rape me on the price of the rental. It was a square deal.

Race track road, i loved it. Deer and turkey all over the property. The name was hysterical, though i was told that there once really was some kind of racetrack there. But it was a rock dirt road, all torn to hell. Coming in, after a while you pass the telescope lens guy's farm, estate, what ever it was, with horse, llamas, peacocks, and all kinds of 4 legged creatures galore. Past and opposite him, was the reclusive older people with the real old collie's, that would bark and sometime's visit, me and my dog moe, and whomever might've been accompanying us, on our walks. Before my blue house was Bobby Messano's in laws, the sears or may tag repair man truck in the driveway, Past my house was the big estate that i think might've been up a mountain, not sure. Maybe the guy's name was epstein. there was one more house around the bend & across the creek from me. We had a bobcat there that year. I heard a motherfucker of a screech, like a car locking it's brakes at a hundred miles an hour. And Moe was bugging. It happened twice the first night I heard it. Next morning, walking at the lake, a woman told me to make sure I kept Moe leashed, that the bobcat was back. I said, oh, so that's what i heard last night, she said sure was.

I moved in in April 89, and it was monsooning, the creek was up to the rear deck. It was great. Took quite a while for the rains to cease, but it was nice having the creek moving fast that year. The sounds of the creek and the pines together made it a great place to relax and to sleep. I was starting my busines up there, working up there, and down in the city. But was able to work whereI wanted, and wanted to be up there. But, being able to just crash as long as I wanted, as much as I wanted, and not hear nothing but pines and rain, was great.It wasn't long before Brooklyn didn't see too much of me at all.

Being able to wake up at 11 at night, drive to town, hear Davida & The eclectics (my cousin on drums), or Futu Futu, or the Dolphins (Rob Leon, Vinnie Martucci, Danny Brubeck, Mike Demicco), or Asha Nan (my cousin, his daughters, Juma Sultan, Rich, and Mike Haywood' Flanagan), and other great bands, was a bonus. But cooper lake was a great place to walk,. the whole area was magnificent. You could park anywhere , Shady, Willow,and just go walking. Nancy was thinking about selling that house. I never asked her a price, cause she didn't really seem to want to sell it. But it would a been a great peace of land to own, knock the house down, build a new one. But still, you got to deal with that road.

And nancy was right, I moved out of the house in November. Like I said, the house was holey, and the colder it got, the more animals moved in. During the summer, you'd hear animals in the crawl spaces, at night. Both the crawl space foundation, and the crawlspace in the roof. Moe was a thirty pound rascal, but had a watchdog way about him, tough little fucker. In brooklyn, he'd often pull a blanket into the doorway of the bedroom, sleep there. In Cooper Lake, he'd start out upstairs for a little while, then go downstairs on guard duty I reckon. But when i'd hear animals in the crawl space, he'd come up the stairs. I guess he'd fight a person, but maybe not a critter, Though that was wasn't true, I had to keep him on a leash often, cause he'd try to go after rattlers. and there are plenty up there. And he did chase deer every chance he had. Anyway, the colder it got, the more animals were moving into the ground floor, so I gave Nancy her house back. Just a few weeks later I rented the old Ruth Berg house on Plochmann, adjoining poperty to John Berg's house. You probably know it walt. (You may know Nancy too). I rented it from the woman who along with her soon to be ex husband, had bought it from Ruth. That house, was gorgeous, as was the house i rented in Shokan, afterwards. but neither compared to living on Racetrack road.



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Posted by:

rosalind

Hey that movie I watched was called "Factory Girl" and Tom's last name ends with an "s"

sorry


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Warhol's Digs.

I watched "The Factory" the other night and thought about how once hearing that Dominique had once taken Robbie to The Factory because Dominique had a college friend there that she had known in Paris. I was wondering who that friend might have been as I was watching this screwed-up biography of Edie Sedgwick? Does anyone know whether or not Dominique's friend was Ms. Sedgwick? She was rich and had been schooled in Paris?

Just a thought

Brown Eyes - I never read that story of how Wait broke Ricci Lee heart... He breaks my heart often enough.

So I will take the Marley Bone Coach
And be whistlin' down the wind


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Posted by:

Little Brøther

Location: The Past

Subject: Ouch!

Peter, you do know SAAB has a limited edition convertible named after a certain house in West Saugerties?

_____________________________________

JH-- Spare us such Saab stories! ;)


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Posted by:

abby

Location: kyy

Subject: bill m

Bill M - I agree with you 100% - that line sums it all up...maybe I already knew that line, I dunno - I've had the flu now for near a week...things are not as crystal clear as they usually are in this wondrous brain of mine. And I LOVEd Woodstock the two times I visited. Would love to be able to stay longer than 2 nites. I'll bet nobody gets the flu in Woodstock....


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Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Woodstock

Walt, I really like what you said about Woodstock, and I think you're right on target.

Jean--No offense, buo know SAAB has a limited edition convertible named after a certain house in West Saugerties?

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JH-- Spare us such Saab stories! ;)


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Posted by:

abby

Location: kyy

Subject: bill m

Bill M - I agree with you 100% - that line sums it all up...maybe I already knew that line, I dunno - I've had the flu now for near a week...things are not as crystal clear as they usually are in this wondrous brain of mine. And I LOVEd Woodstock the two times I visited. Would love to be able to stay longer than 2 nites. I'll bet nobody gets the flu in Woodstock....


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Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Woodstock

Walt, I really like what you said about Woodstock, and I think you're right on target.

Jean--No offense, but Dominique Robertson is not exactly known for her warmth and hospitality; not sure she'd be the best person to assess the character of the town or its residents. What she said sounds very poetic, filtered as it was through Greilish transcription, but that happened to be her take on the place at a particular time in her life.

I don't live there but I've spent lots of time there. I'm a woman, I don't use dope, and I don't make music--but I find there's a lot of warmth, tranquility, vitality, and creative and spiritual energy in Woodstock.

Just curious about what you mean when you say that the early feelings of tranquility gave way to something less idealistic and that the rest is history(?)

Do you mean the early feelings of the Band members? Or just the scene in general? Because Rick, I know, found lots of peace and tranquility in Woodstock. He traveled all over the world for almost four decades, and could have lived his life anywhere, but he still chose to make Woodstock his home. He loved the community and the community loved him.

Hi Dlew and Jan :-)


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Walk On The Wild Side

dlew919: The all-girl dance/pop trio Company B covered the Lou Reed classic back in the '80s. This may be the version you heard.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: The Catsklls

I spent my first 14 summers in the Catskills. First at a "bungalow colony" in Woodridge. then at summer camp in Hunter. There is magic in the mountains. Aside from just the physical beauty, there is a special "vibe". I don't know how to describe it, but you just feel it. Those summers have a special place in my memory. I often "go there" in my mind. I've been to Woodstock, but did not spend much time there. Perhaps it is touristy, but it is also imbued with that special "Catskill" thing


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Toronto

Walt: That pretty much jives with my experience. The only time I was in Woodstock was 15+ years ago. We just headed out for a longish drive on Canadian Thanksgiving weekend and wound up deciding to cross the border and poke around some new scenery. I think it was the Adirondacks we were in first - lots of winding roads, lots of trees, a town with a name like Old Kettle or something, and almost no place to stay. Trees, mosquitoes and migraine all come to mind, and an uninspiring motel room - so a certain party demanded an improvement the following evening. I spotted a highway sign pointing to Woodstock, and I assured said party that Woodstock would be bound to have tons of accommodation. Not. But there was a really nice B&B on the main drag, operated by a very kind man who insisted that NY law said that couples had to rent double rooms, and as all he had was singles we'd have to rent two - but that he'd rent us two singles for the price of one on the understanding that we'd really just use one of them. Which we did.

Feeling better we wandered out in the evening to the Dharmaware cafe, where a folksinger performed a set then yielded the stage to his friend Doc (I thought he said) who upon closer inspection turned out to be Joe Walsh. Joe, accompanied by an unmatched and uncomfortable bassist and percussionist, jammed endlessly on "Little Wing" (but who cares, right?). I had the sense that Joe was keeping an eye on the door for the arrival of someone like Rick Danko, but it never happened and the evening ended, by which time we'd moved to a front table. Joe grinned and shook his head when I asked for "Rocky Mountain Way" - and then grinned wider when I said, "Well, 'Catskill Mountain Way' then." Years later Rick's "Change Is Good" appears, with Joe Walsh on guitar - so I guess Joe would have had good reason to hope / expect Rick to show up.

Anyway, I had/have no interest in scouting out the Big Pink and found the place quite nice and pretty much normal - right down to the little Sunday morning town flea market (where I picked up, as a souvenir, what turned out to be an awful Joe Walsh album - along with James Brown's great "How Do You Stop?" 45.


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Posted by:

jh

Location: Norway

Subject: Woodstock, NY

Our first visit to Woodstock was in August '99, with a certain mad-man from the UK in tow. Pure magic, of course, meeting Levon, Amy and everyone for the first time (thanks, Butch), and seeing Rick again. We've visited the village several times since then, and have been blessed with the company of the Hudsons, Jim Weider, John Simon, Elliott Landy and more locals at the Rambles and elsewhere. The nature: Streams, forests, mountains, country roads, deer everywhere -- beautiful. And then, if you explore the surrounding area: Big Pink, Opus 40 (a must!), the Saugerties Lighthouse, the incredible Tibetan Buddhist monastery from where you can hike all the way up to the top of Overlook Mountain, the Bearsville complex with restaurant/studios/theatre (within walking distance from the Village Green), the Byrdcliffe artist colony where Dylan and Van the Man once lived... Yes, we kind of like Woodstock, NY :-) Favorite hangout: The porch at the Landau Bar&Grill, facing Tinker Street and the Village Green.


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Posted by:

walt

Long time Woodstock resident here: 1.Woodstock is a beautiful magical town. 2.The music & musicians of quality are "hidden" because since the Tinker Street Cafe,The Lake,etc. have disappeared there is little "public" music aside from The Colony & the Bearsville Theater which are not in the center of town. 3.Tourists--the attitude has been consistent--if someone acts like they fit in,refrain from gawking,& refrain from asking too many questions,then respect will be given. Turning the town into a Band or Dylan disneyland might get on people's nerves simply because the town is so much more than that--artistically & in many other ways.So,while most townspeople respect Dylan & The Band & their history & contribution to Woodstock,people do tend to resent the CONSTANT questioning which reduces the town to a limited albeit important aspect of the town's history.Thus,questions asked over & over again like "where is Big Pink?","is that Bob's house?',etc. etc. get under some townspeople's skin. Put simply,best to play it cool. 4.The real soul of Woodstock is in the woods,the mountains,the trails,lakes,streams & backroads.In fact,listen & look carefully & you'll find alot of real fine music hidden by those special streams & woods...just listen... 5.The shopkeepers are rather grumpy but keep in mind,the struggle economically,just to survive,is not easy up there,particularly in winter.No excuse for rudeness & the town could do better. 6.The festival,although 50 miles away,is an issue of concern in that people are regularly confusing the town with the festival & some people do get annoyed,while others desire the connection because,as they see it,there is financial benefit. Alot more can be said of the virtue & magic of Woodstock,but i'll leave that to other residents & visitors.Just to conclude,Woodstock is a great place,but people are people & there are those with differing views of the world coexist there while some are human & act out their frustrations in somewhat contentious ways.Please don't generalize since there are many shades to Woodstock,all worth quietly & spritually exploring.


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Posted by:

Steve

beg, put me down in the "Don't Get Louu" column. But to be fair to the guy it's not his lyrics but his, oh how can I describe it, it's his J2Rs vocal like quality that makes it difficult to stay focused on the song or want it to continue at all.

I enjoy some of the melodies but that , suck the joy out of listening, voice wears on me. Could you imagine a J2Rs and Lou duet? It would need a "Don't Operate Heavy Machinery, While Listening" warning in bold print on the CD cover.


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Posted by:

Jean

And a few years later, Dominique Robertson told Greil Marcus '...no one in Woodstock had any idea there really was a world different from their own. There's nothing here but dope, music and beauty, she said; if you're a woman, and you don't use dope and you don't make music, there's nothing here at all.'

I'm not knocking Woodstock, NY. I'm just suggesting that the early feelings of tranquility gave way to something else less idealistic. The rest is history.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Richard vs Jimi (Slight Rematch)

Compare "Once I walked up the face of a mountain / And ate the wild fruit there..." to "Well, I stand up next to a mountain And I chop it down with the edge of my hand".


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: In A Station

"Once I walked up the face of a mountain And ate the wild fruit there..." In the 1985 interview with Ruth Albert Spencer, Richard Manuel spoke of how the natural environment around Woodstock influenced The Band's first three albums. Specifically, he mentioned that "In A Station", one of his finest songs, was inspired by Overlook Mountain. This same spirit was also invoked by Dominique Robertson in her brief liner note inside the gatefold cover to "Music From Big Pink". No doubt, after all their years on the road, the repose during the Basement Tape period in Woodstock with Dylan helped charge their creative energies.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Steve, it was nothing special. Just political commentary that is not suited for The Gb.

Todd's post, just prompted me to return to the earlier conversation. I wrote a long post that needed to be edited, so i put it aside. Todd hitting the same chord, made me return.

As Carol, pointed out Woodstock and the surrounding area has been home to or temporarily housed or gave shelter & / or solace to a lot more talent than just musicians. Writers, playwrights, poets ( lets not count Max Schwartz please), photographers, filmmakers, actors, rainmakers, raindancers.

Woodstock was known as an Arts Colony back in the 1800s. The town goes back to the 1700s. When I lived there, a family member had to go out & get a book on the town. It has a long history. There is a magic in them mountains. A power in them hills. It must be what drew everyone there. The vibe of the place certainly is what drew the musicians who had a large cultural impact there in the 60s. some might say it was Grossman, well, the general vibe, is still what ultimately led Grossman there. Something was happening. So, does it start with the mountains, the environment, or does is start with the first artist, writer, or furniture maker who liked the shade, and planted roots there. Or just got tired, fell asleep under a tree, woke up, and said, i like it here, I'm staying. No matter how you slice it, it is what it is. the vibe was there, the looseness, the intellectual stimualation, tolerance, encouragement.

For myself as a kid I knew further up 28 and i knew Kingston. & Saugerties some. Returning to NY in 1985, and wanting to possibly settle around Kingston, I went looking. Somehow I avoided hitting Woodstock at first. Somehow late at night I'd get up there, look at that sign for 28 west Pine Hill, and just not want to head that way. I was buoncing around Stone Ridge, Kingston, other places. I rented a apartment in Stone Ridge that I never moved into. Got up there with my stuff, the place was a mess, not what had been agreed to,and the landlord said move in , I'll clean and fix everything later. I said, my father didn't make me with his finger, and did get my deposit back after some maneuvering. But once I headed to Woodstock and that immediate surrounding area, it was all over. I was sucked right in.

The town did look different then, the stores were better. It was quainter, and not everything had Woodstock in the name, which pisses me off. I never really bothered going into thte local schlock stores. It wasn't about that for me. The stores i entered were the food stores, drug store, etc, golden notebook occassionally, long after I lived there. The record store.And I didnt ask people a whole lot of stupid questions. I just hung. It was Tinker street Cafe, the other music venues, like The Lake, that did it for me, and neeting the people. Hanging out with other people. Then, later, I learned my older cousin was living in West Hurley half ther time, Gardiner the other half. I was home.

I hate to say it, but along with the dwindling demographic of amazing musicians, great analogue studios, engineers who give a shit, etc, alot of the actual things of real interest, personal artistic appeal about the area has been vanishing for me, and will continue to vanish unless younger musciians start to actually develop the way younger msuicians developed in the 50s, 60s, 70s etc. Learn how to play their gawd damn instruments.

But on the other hand, Not all of it, can disappear. There is a magic in them mountains, a power in them hills, I swear. and the spirits of Rick, Richard, and others will always walk there.

The area itself will always have that healing effect, that power, that beauty. And there will always be muscians there who know better. They'll be older, and fewer, but there will be some.

on one hand, the times they are a changing, and new talent, for the most part, just ain't that fucking talented. The vibe connects to the talent to a degree. On the other hand, something drew the great talent there once upon a time. So, if there ever is another talential torrent, it probably wells in woodstock again


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Posted by:

Bill M

Abby: In some ways "the whip is in the grave" is the key line of the song, as it suggests that the whole thing is about the time having come for racial healing. Something of a follow-up to "The Stones I Throw".


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: good foood

id like to give a nod to steve marriott, i believe he did a cover of "dont do it". now there was an artist extrordinaire, uniquely original and groundbreaking. having done a brief reaquantance with steve marriots contributions, i have to agree he was one of the best!


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Posted by:

Plochmann Lane

Location: NH
Web: My link

Subject: Get well soon Little Sammy Davis.

We're praying for Little Sammy Davis who suffered from a stroke Saturday. The little man has a big heart. We were fortunate to meet him @ the Aug 23rd Ramble.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lou Reed at Farm Aid 1985, in Champaign, Ill. "Take A Walk On The Wild Side" was probably the first single.....literally I heard on the car radio of Louuu's huge body of work. I'd hear the words and wasn't sure if I was hearing what I heard. Anyway, the fact that in such a macho world of rock....Louuu could still navigate his way through it and still be accepted by fans like me......What can I say? You either get Louuu or you don't.

I used to have Rickie Lee Jones' cover of "Walk Away Renee" but since sold all the CDS I had of hers because they were so uneven musically and lyrically for me. Her first solo recording I think is her masterpiece. Hey rozzzz......I could never forgive Tom Waits for breaking her heart. I think that love story in Rolling Stone when it was a newspaper was the very last one that was sent to me.


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Posted by:

Steve

Jeff, I got The Weight email but my email is refusing to open emails at the moment


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Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Union, ME

Subject: Walk

Edie Brickell did a version of "Walk On The Wild Side." Never heard Ricki's.


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Posted by:

Steve

Jeff, my email is screwing up, I'm having trouble opening them at the moment. I got one from you this morning but it's refusing to open. I'm working on it.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Same Bat time, same bat channel
Web: My link

Subject: One more obituary

Neal Hefti, who after a long career in serious jazz, composed, among other things the theme from Batman (1966)...


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks Bonk!

It wouldn't surprise me that it was Ricki Lee Jones... As I think of it, I didn't actually hear (or have forgotten) a back announcement identifying it, so i've probably put a 'black singer' ...

I'm off to youtube.

Thanks again - that's great!


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: 'Lodi' - Again

The CCR version is great, but for me the definitive reading of 'Lodi' comes from the Emmylou Harris at the Ryman with the Nash Ramblers album from 1992. Best line of the song...."Somewhere I lost connections, Ran out of songs to play". Gotta imagine that the life of a musician ain't always such a glamorous thing.

I've been to Woodstock a fair number of times by now and have had mostly positive experiences. My only advice to anyone traveling there for the first time is to take it slow and soak up the vibe. It's not a theme park....but it is a place that needs to be experienced by osmosis to some degree. Repeat visits reveal a little more each time..but you may not find it in the shops. There is something magical about those mountains.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lodi, Cali by CCR. Back to cooking.....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I visited Woodstock, Ontario (all I remember here is that we made an illegal u-turn) before I visited Woodstock, New York. We used to always drive by the sign into Woodstock, New York on our way to NYC but it just never happened. I guess no one really cared but me.

Just a reminder JEFFOH that I'm not as familiar with your country and vice versa. At the time I didn't even know that CCR were from Cali! There's another group I wished I had seen. Guess what? You know who.....saw them!!! Ouch, ouch, ouch!

Louuu also wrote "I Wanna Be Black".


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Posted by:

Friend0

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/c/creedence_clearwater_revival/lodi.html

http://www.lyricstime.com/ccr-lodi-lyrics.html

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/creedence-clearwater-revival-lodi-lyrics.html

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/creedence-clearwater-revival-lodi-lyrics.html

I sure hope Lodi, the town name, has no deep meaning. I'm happy with just the " a Lodi" interpretation. Of course, there is the potential greater metaphor to the song.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

There's a Woodstock in Virginia but not a Lodi.


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Posted by:

abby

Subject: stuck in lodi again?

Wow - that's two in a row. I didn't know that's what they were saying...


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Posted by:

Bonk

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: dlew919

I remember Ricky Lee Jones doing that song like you describe.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Joan, to me , and to others, " stuck in a lodi again" seemed to mean any town that was like any of those lodis. Didn't have to be a town named lodi. "a lodi". some of the lines were "a lodi" some were lodi. But it often gets the universal interpretation. Thankfully, no one has uncovered the existence of any guitar factories in any town named lodi, or there is no telling what the interpretations might be.



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Posted by:

abby

Location: ky

Subject: The Whip is in the Grave

I always wondered what that line was! Makes sense, too.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Angie, you're from Canada? Don't kid me now.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Lodi

I grew up a town or so away from the "Joisey" Lodi, but I think he meant the one in northern California.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: And the coloured girls go....

Just a quick question that's been annoying me - I hope someone here knows the answer... 25 years back, on regional radio, NSW (so no help there), I heard a version of Walk on hte Wild Side, by a black female singer. It's pretty consistent with the Reed version, except she phrases it a little more conventionally, adn at the bit where 'the coloured girls go', she sings 'and the white boys sing' and a choir of men come in and sing the 'doo, doo, doo... ' bit. Anyone have any idea? Oh, and PS RIP DeeDee Warwick, dionne's sadly overlooked sister.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Dying To Live" by Edgar Winter's White Trash.

"Walk Away Renee"...Joisey's Southside Johnny and The Asbury JUKES.

OHJEFFOH...I'm from Canada so I only knew one Lodi and that's only because I've been in Joisey many times....especially the Clifton area.

Hi again Carol and Joan...Glad to see that the "Times Like These" article that was posted here made it over to your site. Joan is such a Dankette girl, isn't she? :-D

Oh Bill M...I'll let him know that you're soooo witty. Btw did the CD come out with BARK and TLW Tribute? Did I miss it? You missed Maud's INCREDIBLE cover of "Baby, Don't Do It" the night you were not in attendance but we were. Oh well.... ;-D


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, Marge doesn't care about that as long as the dishes get done. Marge will never trade me in just because of my willingness to DO THE DISHES.

Joan, it was two meals. The bread and pumpkin curry soup was lunch. The patties were supper. The bread, which had so much cereal in it, it could stand on its own as a meal.

It occurred to me after I made the post about Big Pink that Marcus also mentioned that the most brilliant line in the whole album was Richard's " The whip is in the grave", from We Can Talk, which sounded like his favorite song on the album, though he did seem fairly partial to The Weight as well.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Movie/music group t-shirts

Like film? Like music? You just might like these t-shirts, which take film directors, and put them in the branding of popular bands.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Reg Dwight?

Wasn't he pudgy, have glasses, balding and play the piano? He'll never make it!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: The smart husband looking to wake up alive does not blame his wife so publicly. Given our interests here, why not say that it looked like Stoneman's Cavalry came and tore up the place again?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Steve/ David P

Steve. What time is dinner? it sounds delicious.

David P, I never heard Rickie Lee do it, but I knowing her style, I can almost hear it.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Thunder On The Mountain.


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Posted by:

Steve

No Bill didn't hear the program you're talking about but I do, as usual, have a CBC radio story with MUCHO BANDO CONTIENTO! Marge ,yes, she's involved, spent much of the day yesterday making a huge mess in the kitchen. Bread, curried pumpkin soup, Jamaican pear jam ( Cuban rum instead of Jamaican)and Jamaican patties for supper./n It was 8pm and the kitchen looked like a culinary war zone. I was trying to muster the energy to start cleaning the battle field and thinking maybe a pre-clean up nap would be in order but decided on a beer instead for the needed energy boost.

Usually there isn't much on CBC Sunday evening I'm interested in but decided to check.

The first thing I heard was a guy saying well this is week 4 of our review of Canadian albums that influenced music beyond the borders of Canada. This week we're looking at an album from 1968, an album that went completely against the musical trends of the late 60's. Well, I had the magic words Big Pink out before he did.

The next hour and the dishes sailed by as I listened to Al Kooper, John Simon and Greil Marcus talk about the album between the songs. They played 6 of the songs in their entirety and pieces of the others.

I also now know that the first time Marcus heard The Weight he was walking on the Berkley campus and while passing a music store on a street beside the campus he heard a song that literally sucked him right into the store, " I rolled into Nazareth .................


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Posted by:

Bill M

Being the grateful recipient of a burned copy, I can't imagine anyone topping Rod Stewart's take on "Don't Do It", which is sung in a desperate frenzy. I do prefer the Band's version to Marvin Gaye's as it too is at least somewhat desparate. Marvin's just too cool: he doesn't sound anywhere near as concerned as the lyrics suggest - like Linda Ronstandt trying to convince us that she's wondering if she will ever again be 'loved'.

Too bad about Levi Stubbs. I guess his last great role was as a plant, opposite Doug, or was it Bob, MacKenzie. Re "Walk Away Renee", that great song belongs in the province of brokenhearted teens like Michael Brown of Left Banke; Levi had no business there, as brilliant as he could be otherwise.

And of course in discussing Left Banke I must once again flag the Band connection via Brown's father, who fiddled for Rick on the Danko-produced Bobby Charles album.


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Posted by:

David P.

Joan: Have you heard Rickie Lee Jones' interesting take on "Walk Away Renee"?


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Posted by:

Plochmann Lane

Location: NH
Web: My link

Subject: Happy b'day, Tom Petty!

He turns 58 today. Snoop Dog turns 37 too;).


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Who connections

The Who's cover of "Baby Don't You Do It" featured Leslie West on guitar. It was an out-take from the 1971 "Who's Next" sessions, later appearing as a bonus cut on CD reissues for that album.

The Who also covered Sonny Boy Williamson's "Eyesight To The Blind", which was included on "Tommy". Their early live shows often featured Allen Toussaint's "Fortune Teller" (written under the pseudonym Naomi Neville), which was also covered by The Rolling Stones. The latter has been included as a bonus cut on CD reissues of The Who's "Live At Leeds".


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Walk Away Renee

When I was in college, I loved The Left Banke's version of Walk Away Renee. Later on I heard The Four Tops version. Its on my Ipod now. It just gave the song a whole new dimension.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Baby Don't You Do It

The Who's version was 1972 … I forgot that one.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cover versions

With all cover versions of songs you love, it's very hard to like any version better than the one that made you love the song. I knew the Marvin Gaye and The Poets and Rod Stewart's versions of Baby Don't Do It long before I heard The Band.

There is a "semi-boot" of Steampacket with Rod Stewart doing Baby Don't Do It live (1966?) and while a very rough recording indeed, it captures how very well he used to do it … remember that group had Rod Stewart, Julie Driscoll and Long John Baldry at the front. Three lead vocalists, switching lines. (Oh, and one Reg Dwight on piano … they didn't let him sing).


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Posted by:

Jean

Subject: Rumor Quotations

Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to unring a bell.

A rumor is one thing that gets thicker instead of thinner as it is spread.


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Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: For what it's worth, I always read your partner's ename as if he were a Flanders and Swansong, like "imagnu".

Did anyone catch the entire Luminato show on CBC radio last night? Any Robbie Robertson songs among the material? I caught only Danny Michel doing Anka, Lanois and Cohen, and Ron Sexmith doing Lightfoot, Cohen and MacLellan.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: And Hello Carol

Long time no hear!


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Posted by:

David P.

We've lost two great figures in music with Levi Stubbs and Buddy Harman.

Marvin Gaye also did a fine version of "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever". It was included on his 1968 Tamla album "In The Groove", which also featured the mega-hit "I Heard It Through The Grapevine".

Wasn't it Peter Yarrow who first turned on Dylan & Albert Grossman to Woodstock?


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Posted by:

Friend0

And we can't forget Topanga Canyon. Some parallels too. but in any event, both a lot closer to L.A. than Woodsotck to NYC. Of course, both rumor-free :-).


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Posted by:

Friend0

Yes Jean, you may be on to something. I've heard rumor that there are no rumors in Malibu or Hollywood. (Mailbu is sorta in a way, but very different, woodstock west with more water and a lot of sand.Surfers instead of burnouts and rastafarians. But far less fringe or poor or middle class folk, for damn sure.)

Landy, you may be interested in doing some reading into Al Kooper's prior disagreement with Gary Lewis. Over Kooper's "This Diamond Ring". Anyway, it's been put to rest, and they've made nice in public. Kooper is one funny guy.

getting back to the previous topic, if i do, may require a kinda dissertation, so i may spare myself, and the rest of you.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Just a question of my personal preference. I prefer the Band's "Don't Do It" but like the Four Tops' "Loving You". Yet the two songs in my head this morning are "Don't Mess With Bill" which is high up on my Motown faves list and "She's My Style" by Gary Lewis And the Playboys. Own up everybody, I'm not the only Gary Lewis fan in this GB.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 15:17:25 CEST 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Angie, there is a lodi in many states here in southern canada, including California. And something tells me they all have a lot n common, probably all fairly commom, very working class, outwardly and possibly inwardly nonremarkable towns. Just guessing here, don't really know. Pass em, never spent time in em. So, listen, the song goes "stuck in a lodi again"


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Posted by:

Jean

Subject: Well I've Never Been To Spain...

or Woodstock, NY - but I have been to Woodstock, CT and Woodstock, VT. Woodstock, CT is in Connecticut's 'quiet corner' (northeast)and I recall it to be a lovely little town. My college boyfriend's family lived there in a restored farm house. I have very happy memories of Woodstock, Ct.

Woodstock, Vt was the scene of my two day honeymoon almost 25 years ago (this Wednesday). We were building our first house and paid for our own wedding, which left (to quote our boys) 'no money' for a fancy honeymoon. Someone told us about an inn in VT but when we got there it was closed, so we found our way to the Woodstock Inn and spent a couple of days/nights there - compliments of our credit card.

Let's remember that Robbie wrote The Rumor supposedly about Woodstock, NY and Dominique had some unflattering things to say, too. Maybe they just outgrew the town.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 14:32:25 CEST 2008 from 21cust153.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.153)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Band Related Movie

I watched a wonderful movie this weekend, 12 Angry Men. 12 strong acting roles. Hard to find another movie with so many great performances.

Band connections are obvious. If you take your glasses off, and imagine a beard and baseball hat and visually add 50 lbs, John Fiedler looks remarkably like Garth Hudson, just don't let him squeak.

Hank's son was in a movie which featured a Band song.

The movie took place in Chicago where the 74 tour kicked off and on and on.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 14:09:36 CEST 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Marvin

Thanks, BEG. That solo version of Grapevine is INCREDIBLE. The man's vocal technique is awe inspiring. it reminds me that I Heard It Through the Grapevine is one of those songs voted "Best Single of All Time" in DJ polls.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 13:55:07 CEST 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279546114.dsl.bell.ca (76.68.83.2)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Creedence Clearwater Revival montage done to "Heard it Through the Grapevine".....The very long version that I loooove to hear when we're on the road or I just need to get my groove on! It helped me wake up this morning as a lot of you know.....I don't drink coffee....I'm hyper enough (like Rick Danko). ;-D When I was growing up I actually thought CCR was a southern band. When I heard "Lodi" I thought they were from the south and then moved to Joisey. LOL

"Unfortunate Sons: Though they never quite made it to the top of the charts in America, Creedence Clearwater Revival were nevertheless the preeminent American singles band of the late Sixties and early Seventies with five #2 smashes and a total of 13 Top 40 hits."

Members of the band: John Fogerty, Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook and Doug "Cosmo" Clifford


Entered at Mon Oct 20 13:48:27 CEST 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279546114.dsl.bell.ca (76.68.83.2)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ok everyone....Patiently wait 20 seconds and you'll hear Marvin Gaye sing "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" (A capella)!!! Wow, wow, wow........Sorry I'm not very articulate but I sure feeeeeel and know what I like and appreciate. Wow again!

Carol, Joan and dlew919 (I saw your post before it was deleted) as I was going out to have some acupuncture for my knees....too much skipping for brown eyed girl.....Anyway, your kindness and thoughtfulness has been received and appreciated. Thank you! :-D

I saw "The Secret Life Of Bees" this weekend. My friend and I were crying throughout as we experienced how powerful other women can nurture and love us. The other important message in the story was how important it is to tell the truth to our children or we can grow up believing lies that can torment us and affect our sense of being a good person who is loveable.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Covering Motown

Levi Stubbs was one of the greats. I was thinking of Landmark’s comment on Marvin Gaye’s Don’t Do It, which led me to The Band doing Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever. You know, at the time, they were great live songs, which everyone loved hearing live … but note that they never released them on studio albums at the time, or in the case of Loving You not till years later and anthologies.

That’s because there are different criteria for covering great soul songs. Creedence (I think) got egg on their faces with that long I Heard It Through the Grapevine (I bought the Cosmo’s Factory remaster last week). Wonderful to hear live, but on record it looks kind of dumb next to the original. I think The Band knew that and kept the Motown covers for live shows.

In neither case (Baby Don’t Do It, Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever) is The Band version as “good” as the original. With Marvin Gaye, it’s all subtle, cool, restrained urgency. The Band howl it out. Fantastic live, but it’s not the song. Lovin You … there was only one Levi Stubbs.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Hey Tracy,

Woodstock, the town, was a arts colony probably before the people who planned the or performed at the music festival were conceived. The festivaal was named for \he town, cause that is where it was originally supposed to take place. It is misinformed tourists who glorify the town ( to use your expression) based on the Music festival. but there is a strong association that is not completely imagined. There is a cause that it was supposed to be there top begin with.

More later when i have more time. Gotta run.

Bob, i have so many old pals.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 06:36:30 CEST 2008 from (70.134.111.44)

Posted by:

bob w.

Jeffo, I don't know. But I'm sure your old pal can help you with that.

This mistreatment of the turistas, maybe it was the evil doings of the Woodstock Mafia?


Entered at Mon Oct 20 06:11:30 CEST 2008 from 69.182.4.234.adsl.snet.net (69.182.4.234)

Posted by:

Tracy

Yes, Jan F. I can attest that I did not have a pleasant experience in Woodstock and have not returned ever since. No. I did not mention The Band to any native Woodstockians either. I was doing business there and the townsfolk mentality was that they did not like outsiders. My own mother had to raise her voice at a resident whom she took offense to. If the shopkeeper's don't like tourists (and that was obvious when I went) then why on earth do they insist on glorifying their town when it was not where the 1969 festival of the same name took place? Why not just have regular practical shops instead of roadside attractions like "The Flying Watermelon?" They sure don't mind taking tourists money though! Since this is a Band guestbook, I will say that town's folk didn't take too kindly to asking where Big Pink was. Maybe nobody was supposed to know about it? Maybe The Band got mixed up with the FBI or CIA? I decided not to ever ask about it again. I've long since crossed "Woodstock" off my list.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Okay, I'll be Ed McMahon. Whose birthday is it, Bob?


Entered at Mon Oct 20 03:05:26 CEST 2008 from (70.134.111.44)

Posted by:

bob w.

And don't forget.....you can list an RIP for a person you have never met and know nothing about but don't dare be listing birthdays for music personalities that have been discussed on these boards for years.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 01:22:04 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

Thank you for pointing out the obvious friendo... and explaining what MY options are. Can it ! I don't like egg shells.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Ros, you know the deal as well as anyone. You aren't good at playing stupid. No moderator. Only a webmaster who has better things to do than govern here. But he provides us this courtesy of a GB. You been here forever, and you know the deal. What ever your grudge against Jan, whatever your game, you'd do yourself and the rest of us a favor by just posting intelligently as you certainly are capable. Or not posting. Your choice. But don't expect anyone to buy that you have selective amnesia and the only one you can't recall is jan.



Entered at Mon Oct 20 00:27:23 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

roz

Jeff - If you had told me the truth in the first place that there is a moderator and his name is jh, I would not have had to draw an answer out of YOU!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Actually Jan has behaved admirably. Without a lot of fan fare and huffing & puffing he has removed as much of the thread containing offending material as possible. Not just Ros's, but answers to Ros, including my own.

This is The Guestbook for The Band Website.It is not an impostor or a pretender. We are lucky to have it.


Entered at Mon Oct 20 00:01:45 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

Yes, seems posts are exaporating. Mine in particular.

Anyway, I'm reading Klaus Kinski's "UNCUT" and this book is very very difficult to find. I think I shall post excerpts from "UNCUT" to the Guestbook audience if it's alright with the moderator or the button man or whoever's taken the helm on this here ... place. I will ask Norbert if it's alright. Is it alright, Norbert?


Entered at Sun Oct 19 22:33:30 CEST 2008 from c-68-57-105-32.hsd1.va.comcast.net (68.57.105.32)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: missing posts

Very strange. Seems like several innocous posts from today are missing.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 22:04:17 CEST 2008 from pool-141-156-189-220.esr.east.verizon.net (141.156.189.220)

Posted by:

Jan F.

Well, I guess it serves me right for "dissing" Woodstock -- I don't really "hate" it - just prefer not to hang out there when I go to Rambles. Too touristy and a lot like the place I grew up -- small town, etc.etc.

But anyway - what served me right was that I crashed my car yesterday. Was out running errands, in a hurry, had missed lunch, and at a yield sign behind a lady in a Camry. I thought she went (it was clear), but she didn't and I did. Now you probably ask why I'm posting this here-- Well, I busted my Levon Helm Studios tag cover into little pieces (along with the front of my car. My Acura TL submarined under the Camry doing very little damage to her car (I loosened her muffler) but my car is a mess. Someone who stopped to make sure we were OK retrieved my front car tag along with the pieces of the tag cover -- she was very nice. I wonder if Levon still sells those tag covers . . . . guess I'll go check the site.

Jan F.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 21:13:02 CEST 2008 from (135.44.211.05)

Posted by:

Gabbington

Well, fuck me, if the guestbook isn't back. First Lee's Dirt Farmer, and now this!


Entered at Sun Oct 19 15:25:10 CEST 2008 from c-210-10-184-56.hay.connect.net.au (210.10.184.56)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Hey Landy

Great to hear from you!


Entered at Sun Oct 19 15:13:18 CEST 2008 from modemcable124.140-37-24.mc.videotron.ca (24.37.140.124)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Ahhh, it's like I never left. Hook up my computer after picking it up from the Geek Squad who did some neccessary repairs, click on the Guestbook and read the first post which is a refernece to ovaries. Scroll a bit further down to see Richie Hebner has made another of his cameo appearances. It's good to be back home! On a musical note (Yes, this the real Landmark!)I have CHUM playing through my computer and they just played a version of "Don't Do It" by Marvin Gaye. First time I ever heard this and I'm happy to say that the Band's versions just wallop it. I like Marvin Gaye but he will not be remembered for this one. Oh well, I must finish some yard work before settling in for an afternoon of football and racing from Keeneland.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Buddy Harman, nashville drumming great, RIP

Vale.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 11:03:57 CEST 2008 from c-210-10-184-56.hay.connect.net.au (210.10.184.56)

Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Does music belong in gender?

Of course, soem (The) Band(s) appeal to both... and this refers to pop music, rather than real music... See link...


Entered at Sun Oct 19 06:34:15 CEST 2008 from (207.102.100.34)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Rosalind (no music content)

I'm sorry that you feel maltreated here in any way. But I've actually lauded Jeff for "Northern Nutjob", a highly-fitting (not to mention alliterative) term he came up with for me and one that I have used to refer to myself on more than one occasion. Similarly I welcome Stevon Farm's creation "He Who Shall Remain Brainless", a spin-off of me being Canada's self-proclaimed "first living human brain donour". (BTW, no one takes a comedic punch better than Steve, -no glass JAWBONE there, that's for sure). To use a Norm Jonesism, these are mere "terms of endearment". But as such Ros, I'm afraid they won't you help in building a case for the Moderator. That having been said though, personally I've found that kidding around in this toneless cyber medium is a pretty dangerous proposition unless one wants to deal exclusively in self-deprecating humour. Hopefully I'll have something to say about music tomorrow (Amos Garrett and Jim Byrnes). NB


Entered at Sun Oct 19 06:28:07 CEST 2008 from c-68-57-105-32.hsd1.va.comcast.net (68.57.105.32)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Northern Nutjob

Who is this referring to anyway? I don't read every word of every post, and don't wish to research it.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 06:15:22 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Rosalinda

Well now, we are getting somewhere. I was certain that you did indicate a spelling preference and had told me that you objected to being called Roz baby. So I just figured it was A OK to use Ros baby. Now that I know it's not cool to address you as Ros baby, should you prefer, I'll use Roz baby exclsuively.

One observation. jh does not title himself Moderator. When jh governs, he simply uses the name jh. I do not believe this guestbook has a moderator, but I know that the website of which it is a part has a webmaster.

Listened to Downtown Train, Waits version, yesterday. Always a treat. Amazing guitar & drums. Great frigging song. Shall we dance?


Entered at Sun Oct 19 05:12:55 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

I wasn't referring to what personally offends the posters. if I were, I would tell you to knock off calling me "ros baby" I was referring to the moderator over-looking the rest of you and targeting ME!

I've just watched "Before the devil Knows You're Dead" on Showtime. This is an excellent film. Catch It!

This place is mostly ful of humorless pinkos and I don't know why I come here. Force of habit I guess.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 04:25:05 CEST 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Now That You've Asked

Ros Baby,

Between Steve & Northern Nutjob (aka His Nutjobness), it has been established that NB cannot be offended or can only insult himself. Anyway, His Nutjobness,( or when direclty addressing NB "Your Nutjobness" is the correct usage) is a term of respect. Northern Nutjob may be a funny nickname, or it may be a Canadian Sex Act. I've been amazed that all this time no one bit.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 04:20:46 CEST 2008 from blk-222-152-63.eastlink.ca (24.222.152.63)

Posted by:

joe j

Location: Southside

Subject: Hooters... Tell Tale Signs

I was going to watch the ballgame but there were 'transmission difficulties' and I was treated to a Hooters 'infomercial' featuring a dozen bikini clad (barely) ladies doing I'm not sure what when my Missus took control of the remote and icily suggested I take my drink and go play my new Dylan CDs.

Actually I've been downstreaming 'Tell Tale Signs' all along (I still can) but my Amazon order also included 'Planet Waves' which I've only had on well worn vinyl.

Only Phillies team to win it all - 1980. I was working in Toronto and my co-worker B.... McBride got stuck with the nickname 'Bake'. Carlton, McGraw, Boone, Rose, Trillo, Schmidt, Bowa, Luzinski, Maddox and McBride. Post Richie Hebner.

Anyway it's game on and I won't link the K'naan-Nelly Furtado video. If you're think you can get into Somalian hip-hop check out K'naan's 'Dusky Foot Philosopher'. My favourite - 'I Was Stabbed By Satan'


Entered at Sun Oct 19 02:15:57 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: DEAR Moderator

Isn't referring to someone as a NUTJOB a personal insult? Is that not one of the rules in this slug of a guestbook?


Entered at Sun Oct 19 02:08:00 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Link is to Levon, Emmylou, & a Crow. Evangeline. Probably the Country Music Hall of Fame benefit the other night here in NYC.

Brien, Though the big stuff hasn't happened yet regarding Atlantic Yards, plenty of businesses, apartment dwellers, and homeowners have been getting effected for several years now. People & businesses have been displaced.

I am not sure, but think i recall Ratner is the son of The Ratners who owned Ratner's restaurant on Delancey Street. Great jewish cooking, restaurants similar to it in Brooklyn were The Famous, on Eastern Parkway, Dubrow's on King's Highway were I grew up, and I think Garfield's or Garfinkel's was the name of the one near where i think your parents lived Nutjob. Got your email, that's one fancy smelling name you have.



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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: A great link

Please forgive this foray into politics. I know I said I would not do that anymore. I post this link with an explanation. This is one of the funniest, most clever thing I've seen in years. As you pass your cursor over the various objects and click when you see the "hand", you will see some great things. Some of them are multiple images (the entry door has several surprises). I laughed alot. I hope you do too. I think we all need a little levity now.


Entered at Sun Oct 19 01:37:11 CEST 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG / Rob

BEG, I've said it before and it is still true, you are a treasure and the backbone of this Guestbook. I can understand why imagezulu does not want to share you. But tell him we truly value the time you spend here. Maybe that will make him feel a little bit better.

Rob: I'm sorry to hear of your father in law's illness. My prayers for recovery. Nice to hear from you.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 20:55:26 CEST 2008 from c-68-57-105-32.hsd1.va.comcast.net (68.57.105.32)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Web: My link

Subject: NJ Nets/Bruce Ratner/ Atlantic Yards

Brien/Steve0, see the above link for an extensive history. You may need to go to 'last page' for the latest updates. Incidentally, this is the same site Walter O'Malley originally hoped to move the Brooklyn Dodgers before he was forced to move to LA.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 20:18:56 CEST 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Woodstock, BEG, Jeff

Woodstock can be a very insular place, but it's hard to generalize and say the people there are "nice" or "not nice." It depends on your experience; some people like it, some people hate it. Also, some tourists are polite, and some are pushy and obnoxious. That gets old for the people who live there.

Like any town, Woodstock has a mix of people--nice people, nasty people, haughty snobs, etc. It does have an abundance of artists, free thinkers, and, of course, pseudo-hippies.

It is a gorgeous, magnetic place, though most of the Hudson Valley and the Catskill Mountain area is beautiful. Still, Woodstock does have its own vibe and a powerful aura. For the most part, I completely agree with Jeff's assessment. It is one thing to visit there, see the tourist sites, and to stay at a B&B or something; it is another thing to exist there day-to-day.

BEG--I just want to say that you are one of the sweetest people here; I hope you've never been the target of personal attacks. Nobody should be attacked for voicing an opinion, but especially someone who is always so fair and respectful of others.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 19:25:22 CEST 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279464039.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.18.103)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

My Seaside Brown-Eyed Girl music video by Steve Forbert. I'm going to ask imagezulu to get this one for our anniversary at the end of this month (his work has now prevented us from going to Levon's show next weekend) or my birthday in December. My partner in life's name is in lower case as mine is in this Guest Book. He gave himself the name when he uses email or sells and buys on Ebay. He's also a photographer/teacher as I've posted before. He doesn't really like that I post because of personal attacks in all three Guest Books but I'm my own person so......I continue to make a fool of myself from time to time. ;-D


Entered at Sat Oct 18 19:23:57 CEST 2008 from (166.129.35.75)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Rob

I'm with you I think it's better that you don't vote; it's disgusting altogether.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 19:19:39 CEST 2008 from pool-96-245-198-211.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (96.245.198.211)

Posted by:

Rob Mitchell

Location: New York

Subject: Hello GB!

HOw is everybody doing? I have been very busy between teaching and playing. Also, my wife and I unfortunately found out that my father in law has mutiple myeloma. Basically, when I am not working I am playing and baby sitting with the kids. However, I still enjoy posting and seeing how all the good people are doing. When once again dealt with adversity, shit talking and bashing on the GB seems irrelevant. I lost my father and several family members to cancer and it touches me deep. Other than that struggle, life has been good. Phillies are in the world series. WOW! Never thought it would happen again. Ooh yeah, politically, I am completely disgusted with both parties and candidates. I dont know if I will even vote. I read a discouraging report that the odds of the 2000 election happening again are rather high. Except, Obama could win more popular votes than Gore and still lose the electoral vote. ALthough if I do vote it will be for McCain, I dont think this electoral vote should hold weight over the popular vote of the people. Anyways, has any collectibles or bootlegs of the Band or its members been released lately? Please let me know. THanks guys!


Entered at Sat Oct 18 19:00:02 CEST 2008 from (207.102.102.81)

Posted by:

NB

Subject: Brainless North of Seattle

JeffOH! As I'm the first to admit, if I knew any less about computers I'd be Amish. But I'm just using the email at your contact page as per the way I've sent thousands of others. Methinks Northern Girl (aka "She Who Must Be Obeyed !") has somehow disturbed the computer by arranging things the other day so that all our work emails now come to our house as well. While I find posting one's GB entries from the workplace a completely acceptable practice, having one's work emails rerouted to one's home strikes me as altogether unseemly, and un-Canadian. Hence, it was an idea that I strenuously objected to. However, once again, as-per-always, I was solidly outvoted in this matter by the usual "one-to-one" margin. But I can assure you Jeff, I will get to the bottom of all this OR MY NAME'S NOT REALLY NORTHERN BOY!

B


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

I too share Steve's curiosity (but I was a bit afraid to ask, lest I seem to nosy).


Entered at Sat Oct 18 18:09:34 CEST 2008 from 21cust49.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.49)

Posted by:

Steve

Peter you should have asked about the, "Islands", model that came out a couple of years after,Before The Flood. It too was amphibious but was much less expensive as it was assembled from left over parts from both the Big Pink, Before The Flood and several other earlier models.'n It's price was made even lower by the fact it was only available during their GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE


Entered at Sat Oct 18 16:51:13 CEST 2008 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Kia Sorrento makes up the Italian trio with Capri and Cortina. I guess the Morris Oxford and Austin Cambridge just about qualify as both towns are stuffed with tourists.

Maybe when the Beach Boys sang about a "Woodie" it was short for Woodstock.

Jan … that Saab 9.3 Big Pink sold out very quickly. When I asked they only had the unusual amphibious 9.5 Before the Flood model.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 16:36:45 CEST 2008 from 21cust4.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.4)

Posted by:

Steve

BEG, is imagezulu a noun or a pronoun. I assume imagezulu is your partner but imagezulu is never capitalized making it a noun. If you don't mind my asking, is this a name or just a descriptive term of reference, like slowpoke or smartypants or handsome dude or something. Remember, there's no need to answer this question, I'm just curious.

I liked Woodstock. It was a friendly enough place. The people who ran the B and B we stayed at the first time were very hospitable.

The second time we went we seemed to only hang out with out of towners who were there for the Ramble and they were great as well.

I didn't find it any different than the northern Vermont towns we have more experience with. Friendly and talkative.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 14:48:22 CEST 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279464039.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.18.103)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Lyrics and guitar chords for "Never Again Or Forever" by Rick Danko/Jules Shear.


Entered at Sat Oct 18 14:33:45 CEST 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279464039.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.18.103)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 07, 2006 THE BAND - Tombstone: The Lost Album

"No one lasts forever Who would want to? But you’re too soon gone"

When I was in Saugerties (stayed at the Comfort Inn because of reasonable cost) and Woodstock during my March break four years ago I really enjoyed myself. imagezulu isn't into The Band so he wasn't affected the way I was but he did love the scenery as I did. When we were in the Woodstock Music Shop he also enjoyed listening to Levon's blues CD (apparently Levon had dropped in the day before and dropped off some of his CDS).

Since our trip wasn't planned....We ended up there after we were in NYC visiting one of my friends in Greenwich Village but her dementia had accelerated so much that we couldn't stay there. She no longer knew who I was even though the day before I had confirmed our trip......very sad for me to lose this friend who had been so kind to me over the years who originally was from Pennsylvania.

Anyway, I tried to at least locate most of The Band landmarks but unfortunately I wasn't able to visit Big Pink or see a live show or locate Rick's final resting place. imagezulu was so nonchalant about the whole adventure.....Remember he's a jazzzzzz man and bluezzzz man (Muddy, Shines, and so many others that I've never even heard their names before). We did enjoy the food at World Home Cooking where Richard Manuel performed and again....I had no idea at the time that we were eating at a most significant place in history for a Band fan! So cool! Anyway, if imagezulu didn't have to work next weekend again we'd be at Levon's show next weekend.

October 26, 2008 ~ Fall Farm Festival at John Gill's Farm Free concert Sunday, 2~4 pm


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Bruce Radner is the developer and owner of the Nets. It seems that the Brooklyn project may not materialize. The outcry, and a host of other issues has bogged the project down to where the 2010 unveiling (i believe this was when it was set for) is not going to happen. I'll say the project has about 1 more year to begin to happen before Radner cuts his losses (or makes gains) and sells the Nets and they will find themselves playing in the already constructed and well received arena in Newark, where transportation and accessibility are already well in place.


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Posted by:

Friend0

NB, The Atlantic Yards project has & is going to take down a large residential area, and also a large commerical area. A developer is bringing in the Nets basketball team to Brooklyn. Fortunately, he keeps meeting opposition, this is certainly going to be a disaster many ways.Increasing congestion & Traffic in a already highly congested area being just one. I'm afraid that your parent's home, possibly the location where your big brother took his first steps, may get the wrecking ball (picture a big wrecking ball with EmmyLou's (not Neil's) image on it, before I get to snap a picture of it for you. But, I remember Jean typing that she knows how to use email. Jean, can you help NB? The man needs assistance.



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Posted by:

Friend0

Hi Jaynie,

Hard to go wrong on Tannery Brook. The sound alone, like you say. The years the water is high & moving fast are especially nice. I'm glad you had a great trip, definitely the perfect time of year to be there.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Car with Band connection

I give you....the Pontiac Acadian. One of my uncles had one (early 80s model)...it did seem like a piece of driftwood, albeit a scrap metal one!!


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Posted by:

Fred

Adding to the "list"...the Ford CAPRI


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: "Ford Woodstock"

Peter, you do know SAAB has a limited edition convertible named after a certain house in West Saugerties? See link above.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Ford Woodstock

Tourist areas have similarities in attitude to out-of-towners. Having been brought up in a seaside resort town, we called them grockles and cabbages when I was a teenager. I guess that's universal.

Anyway, I did wonder about the prediliction for car manufacturers to use tourist towns for names … the Ford Cortina, the Kia Sedona … there are more but the names escape me. Why no Ford Woodstock? Would it be an SUV? Or perhaps a wood-clad station wagon? Not a sports car or family saloon, I think.


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Posted by:

Jaynie

I've just returned from my annual trip to Woodstock and I have to say that I've never had a bad experience while I was there. Almost all the people we've dealt with over the years have been friendly, talkative and humorous. The service in the local restaurants has always been excellent. The Bear, Joshua's and The Landau Grill are my personal favorites.

Even the venders at the weekend flea market are cheerful and friendly. One offered me a bag for the books I was carrying even though I didn't purchase anything from his table. I met an artist who was selling vintage books and some of the beautiful bracelets he had crafted out of different kinds of clay. We chatted both days I was there (my friend is a flea market freak) about The Beats, art, and the differences and similarities of our hometowns. When I was leaving, he gave me a hug. Where does that happen? :-)

As far as lodging goes, I've stayed in good and not so good. This year I stayed in a sweet little studio right beside Tannery Brook that was the closest to home I've ever experienced -- or better. There's nothing like falling asleep to the sound of a waterfall outside your window and waking to a breathtaking view of the mountains. Aside from being right in the heart of town and not a B&B -- which is not my thing -- the couple who owned the rentals treated us like friends from the minute we arrived. I will never stay anywhere else if I can help it. I can honestly say that I've found the people of Woodstock to be very warm and friendly.

BTW Jeff, Eric Andersen's show at the Unison Arts & Learning Center in New Paltz was wonderful. It was the first time I'd ever seen Eric perform and I'm so happy that he was appearing in the area while I was there. He did a nice selection of songs from his long career including "Blue River" and "Mary I'm Coming Back Home," which brought tears to my eyes and made me miss Rick even more. Brian Hollander joined him on stage with his dobro for a few songs and he was fantastic. Eric finished with "Thirsty Boots" and most of the audience sang along and gave him a standing ovation when he was finished. Eric evened signed my copy of "The Rolling Stone Book Of The Beats" which made my night! It was a great evening!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Just to make certain Bama don't make anyone lose their bearings, try to call the wrong fire department, or pay taxes to the wrong municipality, I better point out that Zena, Byrdcliffe, wittenberg, Shady, willow, cooper lake, all are parts of the town of woodstock. when I lived in Copper Lake, i got my mail at the Bearsville Post office, but I lived in Woodstock. Shady,willow, much further out, still woodstock. But have their own Post offices.


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Posted by:

Friend0

West Hurley is not in Woodstock.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Lest ye get confused by The Bama Belle, JQ, i figure I better explain a little more. Bearsville, is in woodstock. But it is not Woodstock proper. Like Ruby, where a good friend of mine lives, is in Saugerties, though, it is like a little suburb of Saugerites.But it is Saugerties. As are Centerville, Blue Mountain, etc. Levon, is in woodstock, though not directly in the center of town. But not far out of it either. Kinda like being 2 blocks east and 5 blocks north of town. But definitely in Woodstock.

Main thing,you & Beth won't be there long. Just have a good time. Tell people you came from the west coast for the ramble, I'm sure they'll be kind and nice to you.

It's a gorgeous place. Just enjoy the crisp fall air, the scenery, the town. Joshua's is always a good bet for dinner in woodstock, as is the Bear. In the bearsville section of woodstock. Joshua's is right in town. In woodstock,woodstock that is., As opposed to Bearsville,woodstock, where The Bear is. Go past the Bear, that little neighborhood off to the left, low houses, that's Bearsville Flats, also in Bearsville, though it's in Bearsville, woodstock, which makes it in woodstock.



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Posted by:

Steve

Levi Stubbs, you was the top of the Tops, thanks.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Hey Mike & Kim. Bandit, my closer to 14 than 13 Husky, Shepherd, Lab mix, loves Weimeraners. He had a young weimeraner friend named Bishop in St Louis. Bandit is shorter than a weimeraner, but solid like a rock, and would grab Bishop by the throat, and give him shoulder checks, head checks, body checks.. Bishop loved Bandit back, so he put up with it, and played back. Now there are two weimeraners Bandit does the same thing with here in Brooklyn.

I realized when i stayed there in 2002, The Millstream Motel may have already taken the name Inn By The Millstream. Now it is called something else again I think. Maybe woodstock Inn? Because of this and that, etc, the dog ban was lifted for Bandit & he received the royal treatment. In general though, when i used to stay up there, when I wasn't livin up there, I would stay at friends. Mixing was different, after 10 to 12 hours of mixing and editing with three other people, you don't want to necessarily have to be sociable if you don't want to. BTW, Bandit was in the studio the whole time. The Studio rottie and cattle dog were outside in large pens. The time I stayed at the Pinecrest, my girlffiend and her were daughter along. The problem was the gawd damn bathroom stunk to high heaven. we were gagging, couldn't even shower in there, went to my cousins in west Hurley to shower, stayed elsewhere the next night. I think the Holiday Inn. I stayed in there in 2004 a few nights too. Kinda funny, i had shot pool and hung at the Pinecrest bar late nights on & off for years. Had a lot of fun there sometimes. And never knew that about the cabins. Afterwards, found out it was pretty much common knowledge.

Mike & Kim, the Comeau Property, a damn good place to take the dog off the leash, or on the leash, let him or her hang with other dogs. It's dog central.


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Posted by:

Plochmann Lane

Amen, Jeff. We stay @ the Saugerties Comfort Inn as we travel w/ our Weimaraner. We've visited Woodstock in March, as well as, August, & both bring their different points of view. March offers visitors less congested visiting. August offers a lot of activity & people watching. Besides its history, Woodstock is no different than any other beautiful northern region beauty.


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Posted by:

Friend0

JQ, I could tell you both sides of the woodstock thing, I lived there & nearby a good while. Bout a half dozen years. BTW, Levon does live in Woodstock. Plochmann is a nice road. You can walk into the town pretty quickly from Levon's. I lived closer to town on Plochmann from Christmas eve 89 till May 90. And walked in daily with my dog. And I rented the house just past Levon's for two months in late 99, just in time for Hurricane Floyd. It is Woodstock.

Dave, that bad experience was at what used to be The Pinecrest. And some of the cabins were known for having foul odors but i didn't know that till after i stayed there that one time in summer 94.

There's a lot to like about Woodstock, and a lot not to. That comes into play if you are thinking of moving there.And I think the same could be said about any place. But far as going to the area for a visit, it is a good place to go. Lodging, well, you are safe in the Saugerties Comfort Inn, (old locale of the Hojos, new building. Saugerties, the actual town, is east of that location. Go North you are in Palenville, go west to woodstock. Lodging in woodstock itself, I'm no expert. Rule out the Pinecrest, stay at the Millstream Motel. I don;t knwo what it is called today. The rooms are small, relatively rustic, but very clean. The staff was exceptionally nice. I stayed there for a week in 2002 when I was mixing at Applehead studios. It was still called The Millstream.

To know the town, you have to live there a while. Tourists are tourists, and when i lived there, tourists got treated well. But still tourists are tourists, even ina town that is largely supported by tourists. They will get treated well, but you can't expect people to stop their world for you . Weekenders got treated well, btu they were weekenders. Summerers got treated well, they were still summerers.

Winter came, you were still there, now you were townfolk. Would i suggest anyone move to woodstock?, it depends what you are looking for. Would i tell anyone that woodstockers practice peace, love, & understanding as a rule? Fuck no. Would I tell you a lt of woodstockers got the hippie rap down pat but would rob you blind in a second given the chance, hell yes? But. I ove the area, it is GAWD Damn gorgeous, and there are lots of talented and interesting people all thru it. More of the interesting stuff goes on behind the scenes.


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Posted by:

Plochmann Lane

Location: Sunapee, NH
Web: My link

Subject: Woodstock

We've loved our trips to Woodstock. We live in a region that is very similar in its dealings w/ fluctuating tourism that we're sure mimicks Woodstock's folks & visitors. Woodstock, like our region, has its wonderful & not-so-wonderful merchants, celebrities & visitors. But like w/ any place, we've found we have to try & experience everything about the area to appreciate it. We've experienced a number of Woodstock-related things to do & have a lot more to go: 160 Plochmann Ln; ctr-of-town visiting, shopping & eating; Rick's & Eli's grave sites; Byrdcliffe; Big Pink; Overlook MT; Bearsville; Rt 212 & Zena, Wittenberg, John Joy, Spencer, Cooper Rds, etc.; Ashokan Reservoir; & a number of other cool sites for different reasons. We agree w/ the tacky memorabilia stores though. We wish there were places that sold more wares relative to The Band, Dylan, etc, like Woodstock Music Shop, Woodstock Legends & Elliott Landy's gallery. We're not big on the typical Marley & Dead gimicky stuff, but we're sure it has its place & sellability. Besides Levon's, the beautiful views, etc, we benefit most from the Woodstock regions realism: all the local points of interest we rec'd from Jeff (aka - FriendO) that do & do not relate to new & old artists; Jan Hoiberg (aka - jh & webmaster); Brown Eyed Girl (aka - BEG); Tony LoBue (Levon's webmaster) & the Helmland online staff; Tom (another GB poster); John Simon; Jim Weider; Bob Andrews (MI); Carol Caffin; Danielle; Butch; numerous local merchants & many, many other folks we'd love to individually thank. Thanks to all of these folks, we've seen & experienced what the Woodstock area has to offer. The more we visit Woodstock & communicate w/ The Band-related folks, the more we learn & appreciate.


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Posted by:

daena (said dana)gallant

Location: florida

Subject: whatever i deside to talk about... hahhaha..

FREINDO: i don't care if you call me danish.i actually think it's kinda funny.i read that on garth's website ,but i don't remimber what the title of the interview was though .. i thought that garth's statement was interestin and a little funny to me..i think it's cool that the few times i've left a message here i've got a responce i think there was only one message that did'nt get a responce ...well i guess i'll go for now bye bye all .. daena was here today..


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Posted by:

Zzzz

Subject: Woodstock

Jan F, I respectfully disagree... I just love quirky little towns everywhere... especially as they seem to be disappearing... But maybe you are refering to lodging and I didn't stay there myself... but where Butch and others recommended... mostly for family fun reasons... I seem to recall MoeBoo sharing an experience of lodging displeasure but maybe John D sharing a more pleasant one... Anyway, we loved our visit... playing at the all-wood park at the local Elementary School near the golf course... enjoying the weekend market fair... especially the art... savoring the greasy, hard-to-cut-with-a-plastic-knife pizza... and strolling among the many shops both inside and outside in tents... The immediately surrounding area and offshoots, and countless other communities... make a visit to Woodstock... to be a Band fan's dream come true... The Woodstock Theatre shows I saw were wonderful... featuring Garth & Maud, Weegie, Rando and the Professor Louie... among others... We also took in a train ride... watched tubers on a river wishing we had more time... and a highlight was visiting the nearby World's Largest Kalediscope in the World (with some fun fun fun locals to boot)... I have a list of things yet to do... on my next visit to the area with my wife and kids... I guess I just posted because I didn't want any fans like JQ to think that a visit to the area... wouldn't be worth it... My dukes are not up btw and LOL, Jan F...


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Jan F.

As I've posted here before, I just don't like Woodstock - if Tracy is around, she might elaborate as I believe she may have had a bad experience there. Not a friendly place - more of a tourist trap-type town. Too bad as it was considered a "hip" artist colony "back in the day." If you like tacky t-shirts with Hendrix, Dylan, etc. (very little, if any stuff on The Band), it's the place for you. Do go visit Rick if you have a chance -- and have dinner at The Bear. Oh, and even though Levon has a Woodstock address, he doesn't really live in Woodstock "proper" - he lives down a wonderful country road in the woods.

J.F.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Woodstock's cred

Jan F - I've never been to Woodstock, why the negative tone (if I have that right) in your note; which I thank you for?


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Posted by:

Steve

Jan, I'll send some.


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Posted by:

Steve

Frank Kerr/ Frankie Venom has been described by a lot of people since his death as the greatest live performer they've seen. One of the people who I heard talking up Frankie was Liberal Party mover and shaker and punk rocker Warren Kinsella (Hot Nasties and Shit From Hell)who said when the Shit From Hell opened for Teenage Head, Frankie joined them on stage to do some songs and their band moved up to the next level til he left the stage.

Hard to believe, Charlie Grievous Angel Angus, can be called the Dean Of Northern Ontario but when you've been elected 3 times in 4 years I guess you age, politically, in a hurry.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

JQ - when attending Rambles, I prefer to stay at the Holiday Inn in Kingston -- I understand there is a new Hampton Inn near there now also. Personally, I don't like staying in Woodstock -- I don't like going through Woodstock except to go to The Bear Restaurant (which is, I believe, in Bearsville).

Jan F.

Steve, any harvest pics this year?


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Posted by:

Bonk

Location: Salt Spring Island

Subject: Rosalind

What the hell is wrong with Roz's comments? She cracks me up with her wicked wit and at times icy tongue. Love it!!!


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Levi Stubbs

Levi Stubbs RIP.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Teenage Headless / rockin' politicians

Steve: You may have noticed in the papers that Frankie Venom, the amazing front man for Teenage Head (one of whose songs was covered by BARK as discussed last month) died of cancer the other day. Perhaps the best showman I ever saw - and I don't even like punk, as a rule.

Also, the dean of NOnt NDPers (having been elected once or twice before) is Charlie Angus, whose first brush with prominence was as a member of Andrew Cash's '80s band, "L'Etranger". As you can guess, it was all existential, art-school whining, but very good nonetheless. They should've called one of their EPs "More Songs about Buildings and Parents".


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Posted by:

Steve

BEG, I was out the door headed for the barn when I remembered your question. I noticed the ONT gains but was so stunned by the Alberta seat, the one in Quebec and the one in Newfoundland that I actually forgot about the Northern ONT ones. 17 was good but 34 would have been twice as nice.


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Posted by:

Steve

Our house voted Green, NDP and Bloc. My 18 year old son, Robbie, got his first vote in. I don't know how my daughter voted but I'd guess NDP. Marge,Rob and Kate get to vote again in the US election. Now I'm going to Elizabeth's web site. She's asking for donations to get her party back in the black before the next time Harpie tries for complete control.


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Posted by:

rosalind

I'm being targeted unfairly. If you're going to delete my posts that someone somewhere out there finds offensive, then why not delete others that someone might find offensive? This is unfair and Loop and Lil are certainly NOT happy that their seemingly insignificant names have been erased by somebody's big index finger!!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

All right then JeffOH and Comrade Steve...I'll put Robbie on my independent label....PROLETARIAT. The first band I signed was my own...all female group where I write the majority of the songs and since I'm an absolute control freak I always refer to it as my band....The Fabrics. No, we're not into the finer threads of the world but of the fabric of our society. If I had a dog she'd be named Dogma. Did you all know that Rollie's dog's name is Bessie? He's such a groupie that one! ;-D

Comrade Stevon Farm: Did you notice that our party received 17 seats in Ontario? imagezulu freaked me out this election when he told me that he didn't give his vote to the Conservatives....He goes both ways between them and the Liberals.......but he actually voted for the Green Party. I'm still learning about him..... :-D


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: "Ferdinand The Imposter"

"Brainless", "Mindless" and "screw" all in one paragraph: do I hear a rewrite of "Ferdinand The Imposter" coming on?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Keifer Sutherland in the new issue of "The Word" chooses The Last Waltz under "music" as a favourite, especially Neil Young. He goes on to praise Levon's singing on The Night they Drove Old Dixie Down.

It's nearly every month in one of the glossy mags that an interviewee selects something with a Band connection.


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Posted by:

Brainless North of Seattle

Subject: Jeffo

Weird(,) Jeff. I'll go back to your site (plus Joan sent it my way). Good Gawd maybe Steve's right and Brainless does equal Mindless. Then I guess I'm screwed, and not in the good sense.

NB


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Hey Joe

"You heard about the singing brakeman

You might have seen a singing cowboy too

I'm Joe the singing janitor

I'm at a theater near you" (--Junior Brown)

"I've got a crack team of plumbers too" (--Richard M. Nixon)


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Posted by:

Bill M

I was not suprised to see Joe the Plumber posting here, though I thought he'd say something, this being a Band site and all, about Richard Manuel's pipes.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Hi angelina, I certainly don't mean to speak for Jan, but seemed to me that until Dirt Farmer, the only recordings linked were those not easily available through what has been normal channels of commerce. Dirt Farmer is a recent release, so that would explain it's inclusion, even though it is pretty easily purchased. Think about it. Other than Dirt Farmer, the only other Levon recordings present are on his own label. Garth's are not on a major label, nor are the single entries from Rick & Richard. Jan may be able to oblige you, or there may be a reason or reasons he doesn't, which he may or may not be prepared to divulge here. So, I'm suggesting that no one read anything into anything. And let me point out, that no Band recordings, not Big Pink Or Brown even, are linked on the sidebar.


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Posted by:

Steve

BEG, there just isn't enough room for one of J2Rs CDs, besides as Daena, pronounced Dana, has just today reminded us, J2Rs left The Band. He probably wouldn't want his solo work associated with a Band site. You should probably talk to someone " close" to J2Rs about putting his work up here before making the request. Artists, pronounced arteesists, in this case, are very touchy as to control of their art.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Basement Songs: Robbie Robertson, “What About Now” Thursday, July 17th, 2008 by Scott Malchus

Jan H: Is it possible that we could also see one of Robbie's recordings on the side bar of this site as all the other Band members' recordings are shown? I forgot to ask Norbert when he provided us with Little Pink. Thanking you inadvance! :-D


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Posted by:

Friend0

Nutjob, smart broads, well there's something called looking smart. No e mail from you yet.

JQ, take your lovely bride to Wo Hops downstairs. There are two Wo Hop restaurants in Chinatown on Mott St. One is directly above the other. They have separate entrances. You want to go to the subterranean Wo Hop. As far as I know this is not a personal statement by the owner about heaven and hell. Unless you go at at off hours you may wait a while for a table, but on a weekinight you stand a better chance of not waiting. It is worth the wait. The atmospehere is plain, the food is exceptional. The t shirts are 6 bucks. The food is exceptionally exceptional. The place runs 24 hours. I've been going there since 85, but i have friends and relatives going there over 40 years.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm Ramble works, for the most part Ryman Auditorium, Nashville, September 17, 2008 Reviewed by Jeffrey B. Remz

The Roger Waters Interview was already posted on Little Pink

Hei Norbert....Remember when you were working on a webpage where you had me typing away? I guess JeffO was tapping into that image. It's true, true, true.....My manic side comes out on the computer. Not to worry everyone as I'll be in rehab soon to deal with my demons in The Band crack house. ;-D


Entered at Fri Oct 17 10:04:45 CEST 2008 from 210-246-12-113.paradise.net.nz (210.246.12.113)

Posted by:

Rod

Location: NZ

Great to see Roger Waters comments. I've always wondered why The Band were at the Wall concert.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 06:51:37 CEST 2008 from (207.102.102.72)

Posted by:

He Who Shall Remain Being Called Brainless

Subject: Moe Better Music / TLV-R.I.P.

Jeffo: There's email for you over at "cousin moe" or "stooge music" or whatever your website is called.

Steve: You know full well I did TLV (The Last Vignette) here a long time ago and then retired from my stoopid little "litter-airy" forays. So that makes it a "won't do" or a "don't do", not a "no-Can-do". So as to avoid such a premature interjection in the future, think first and then speak. Besides, Jeffo and others wouldn't even remember vignettes and those who can are still trying to forget them, myself included. But strange you mentioned writing as an ex-Time Inc. editor that I know, now living in Birmingham, has actually been trying to talk me into writing a novel, as apparently this is what she herself is currently doing. I responded to this most inane of ideas by saying that "the gaining of eminent author status would only destroy the imminent author status that I've already spent a whole lifetime acquiring".

Her response to that was "great, I see you've got your first sentence". Now while I really like smart broads, just who needs them that smart ? Besides, who's she to talk to NB like that ? - freakin' Dorothy Parker ?.

For what it's worth (nothing), I'll be here on the weekend spewing forth ever-so knowledgeably about Albany, NY and Amos Garrett, despite knowing nothing on either topic. Wonder how that'll go ?

NB


Entered at Fri Oct 17 04:42:42 CEST 2008 from (166.129.116.234)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Thanks Jeff

We're in town Wednesday, Thursday, Friday & Sunday. Thanks loads for the tip.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 04:10:33 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

JQ, if it is NYC where you'll be, so far the best thing I;ve found for you is Friday night, Oct 24th, the 7 to 10 set by Steve Guyger at Terra Blues. Guyger is a great,not good, but fucking great harp player. He does a duo there with a very fine guitar player named Rick McPherson, from northern jersey. Both men sing very nicely, though neither is what i'd call a great vocalist. Guyger is old school, and a very nice bona fide Philly guy.

If you go , get there early, 6:15, 6:30, get a seat near the stage so you dont have to listen as much to the drunks. The sound in the room is a little weird, but this show is a treat. less you have something better to do, like a Broadway show, etc.

www.terrablues.com

www.steveguyger.com

Warning, in any of the tourist traps on Bleecker street, terra blues at the top of the list, watch the waitresses and your change very closely. Like Bama & myself, you may watch for thongs, but count yur change in front of the waitress. It is not unusual for the waitresses to short change heavily, and when you call em on it they just say sorry and give you the correct change. Don't even bother acting embarassed or very apologetic.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 03:25:31 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

JQ, are you saying you are staying in NYC from Wednesday till Saturday?

If that's the case, I'll see who is what, where and when. And though my days off these days are Sunday & Monday I'll see if i can get away to say hi if you like.

Actually, I think most people here would like to hear about your livestock, especially if they are musically inclined or derive noticeable pleasure from musical stimulation. Interpret that any way you want to, and that goes for you too Nutjob.

My dog Moe knew The Band's music. It was probably playing when I found him, and it was always playing. He was a brooklyn/ woodstock dog and he knew The Band's catalogue.

Goodnight folks


Entered at Fri Oct 17 03:14:56 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Ros, it is not customary for me to correct you, but correct you I must.

Pat is absent.

Westocaster Jones is gone.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 03:12:04 CEST 2008 from (166.129.116.234)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Friend0 - you sure?

Hmm... I'm just not sure my trip it's all that interesting. But here goes: We (Beth & I) have not been able to travel together since 2001. For lots of reasons, but since 2004 it's because we went rural and have a load of beloved livestock. I have travelled a lot for work so we're shooting a big wad of points with 1st class travel and a good hotel in NYC - Beth's never been. Even with those credits we're likely to spend some big dough, for us at least. Levon's $300, maybe $400 - but I'm not complaining. If we could have got a rez at a quaint ($295) Woodstock B&B we would have done that, but it's the Comfort Inn in Saugerties. We're there from Wednesday next week until we go up to Woodstock on Saturday and then back in town for Sunday afternoon & night. So I'm very open & appreciative of any good nighttime recommendations. And we're both goose-bumped & fully stoked about the whole thing. And I'll provide a Ramble recap for the folks here.

Granted there's loads of music related topics to discuss here but I do miss the politics we used to have and I thought they were normally quite good and sometimes it was superb, better than I can get anywhere around here or on TV.I mean the world's economy has collapsed, it seems remiss not to at least mention that, eh?

That's my lot, more later.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 02:46:46 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

See JQ, that link has something for all Band fans. References Levon, Levon & Emmylou, Evangeline, Larry Campbell's great mandolin work. Seems Levon, Larry & Jerry Douglas were the heart of the house band.

How's that for a real life fantasy band?

And Gawd Dang Ros Baby, they performed "If I Needed You."


Entered at Fri Oct 17 02:28:10 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Dana,Daena, can I call you Danish (said Daenish)? That last post of yours tasted like biting into a delicious cheese danish, the great quality kind I just can't seem to find anymore. Or maybe a cheese blintze, with lots of sour cream.

I missed that interview, but I could sure see Garth saying that. Thanks Danish.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 02:21:54 CEST 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279612478.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.86.62)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Dedicated to Bryson McCabe who was better known as "60sKkid" on Youtube.

"Let me live this day tall so that when night comes it will have mattered to

someone, somehow, that I lived at all."

"Having eyes

but not seeing beauty;

having ears

but not hearing music;

having minds

but not perceiving truth;

having hearts that

are never moved and

therefore never set on fire

These are things to fear."


Entered at Fri Oct 17 01:48:37 CEST 2008 from 167.77.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com (97.100.77.167)

Posted by:

daena (said dana)gallant

Location: florida

Subject: whatever i deside to talk about... hahhaha..

i love music ..but only good ,and great music like the band ,bob dylan ,the rolling stones ,ect..i think it sucks that the band ever broke up now oviusly at the point where richard manuel ,and rick danko died they'd of had to done something differant if they had'nt broke up when they did ,but they'd of still been doing something musical inbetween time most likely ..but it is what it is ..i hope to one day be able to meet the three remaining once members of the band and their wives ,and ronnie hawkins and his wife ,and bob dylan ,and the reson i worded that way is i was reading an interview just reseantly were someone ask garth about the three remaining members of the band ,and he said well tecnicley there's onlt two remember robbie robertson quit, so that's why i worded my comment that way ..well bye bye all for now..daena was here today..


Entered at Fri Oct 17 01:32:52 CEST 2008 from cache-dtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (205.188.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

JQ, there actually is plenty to talk about. The subjects of music, the music business, recording, etc, are fascinating.

If people go out & see musicians perform, they can talk about it. Posters can talk about what they do in their daily lives that is music related,or has some connection to music, no matter how small, or something that may even tie in to The Band. You indicate that you travel. I imagine you have some interesting thngs happen during the course of your affairs.

And Gawd Damn, JQ, angie is braking her finger nails to give us these great links, there are things to talk about.

Hell, you could talk about getting goosebumps for that Ramble you will attend, or tell us if you are making a special trip, or if your boss is unknowingly paying for part of your travel expenses. Well, let me phrase that another way, maybe your boss is depositing you in that part of the country and it just happens to be convenient for you to attend. Like I said, there is plenty to talk about.

If you are still in these parts on the 28th, you want to go to SOBs , 11:30 PM, catch Jimmy Vivino and The Black Italians. That, or a blues show, is the way to see Jimmy. he's great with levon, and but it's different. Not the same. The Hubert Sumlin shows, with Levon on drums that's a great way to see Jimmy.


Entered at Fri Oct 17 01:09:41 CEST 2008 from 21cust167.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.167)

Posted by:

Steve

You just have to be creative, JQ. Pick a line from a Band song and run with it. I miss the politics, as well. Only Jeff seems to be able to come up with enough stuff to make a post of more than 30 words anymore, but Jeff's a word guy.

Jeff there's nothing we could say about NB that would be an insult. He's either in hibernation or he's lamenting the fact he can't do his vignettes anymore. Always a GB favorite.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 23:55:04 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

roz

You can't take the Daily Kos out of the man but you can take the Daily Kos out of the Guestbook


Entered at Thu Oct 16 23:53:05 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

Notice that Brennan's gone?


Entered at Thu Oct 16 23:03:09 CEST 2008 from (166.129.252.134)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Politics here no more

I'm sorta lost now without being able to weigh-in here. I, for one, really liked our comments & debates at the old GB. Is there any way/place to go at it again?


Entered at Thu Oct 16 21:53:57 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Ray, you sized him up well, Jimmy is generally a really nice guy.

Steve, Mike DeMicco also plays sitar on Sea To The North.

Steve, I'm wondering which one of us insulted Northern Nutjob and caused him to disappear.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 21:47:12 CEST 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Rick's grave

Sorry, the other link didn't show directions.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 21:43:29 CEST 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Rick's grace

This might be a bit maudlin, but I remember someone recently was trying to find Rick's grave so they could pay respects. From other photos I've seen, there is now a stone, but this will give directions.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 21:31:33 CEST 2008 from mail2.scisoc.org (199.86.26.15)

Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Times Like These

The title track is an essential recording in the Dankography.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 20:35:47 CEST 2008 from (38.116.192.97)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Jim Eppard was even sweet enough to email me when I needed the lyrics to Edgar Winter's "Dying To Live". At that time I wasn't brown eyed link. ;-D

"You know I've heard it said there's beauty in distortion. By some people who've withdrawn to find their heads Now they say that there is humor in misfortune You know I wonder if they'll laugh when I am dead

Why am I fighting to live if I 'm just living to fight? Why am I trying to see when there ain't nothing in sight? Why am I trying to give when no one gives me a try? Why am I dying to live if I'm just living to die?

Hey, you know some people say that values are subjective, But they're just speaking words that someone else has said. And so they live and fight and kill with no objective. Sometimes it's hard to tell the living from the dead.

Why am I fighting to live if I 'm just living to fight? Why am I trying to see when there ain't nothing in sight? Why am I trying to give when no one gives me a try? Why am I dying to live if I'm just living to die?

Yeah, you know I used to weave my words into confusion. And so I hope you'll understand me when I 'm through You know I used to live my life as an illusion, But reality will make my dreams come true.

So I'll keep fighting to live till there's no reason to fight And I'll keep trying to see until the end is in sight You know I'm trying to give so c'mon give me a try You know I'm dying to live until I'm ready 'til I'm ready .. 'til I'm ready .. 'til I'm ready to die."


Entered at Thu Oct 16 19:42:03 CEST 2008 from (70.150.161.66)

Posted by:

buflobobbr@yahoo.com

Location: buffalo,ny now baton rouge,la

Subject: my opinion

"

"ok i was 60years old when i happened to see the last waltz on tv..loved the music and everything about the band really never knew it existed...so i started digging read everything i could...my favorite was levon..and i would just like to say i did not care for the way robbie handled the demise of the band..seems like all for himself..


Entered at Thu Oct 16 19:24:36 CEST 2008 from (166.129.252.134)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Times Like These

Brien Sz - I'm with you on your rating of Times Like These and the quality of Book Faded Brown - was Rick doing that song much in his later, solo shows?

I'd put Blind Willie McTell & Train of Love from the live record out there as a couple of big favorites from the later Rick era too.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 19:16:03 CEST 2008 from 21cust16.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.16)

Posted by:

Steve

Jeff thanks for pointing out the sitar on Garth's album. I hadn't noticed it before but will give it a listen this afternoon.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 19:11:57 CEST 2008 from ool-44c599e7.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.153.231)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Times Like These

I always thought of Rick's last album as a double edged sword. When it came out, I was so glad that it did because it was a nice closing to his living chapter and because recorded solo work by him was so sparse.

On the other hand, it was also kind of a disappointment. Though I thought Times Like These was a worthy track of commercial playing time and had the opportunity at the time to discuss its merit with a drive time disc jockey for a prominent lite fm station here in NY (of which he no control over the playlist), the overall effort was not up to what I expected.

In my own selfish way, I wanted new material by Rick. What we got was a rehash of past glories (some of which were already second tier) and new material that I thought was average.

I love the song Book Faded Brown. It was our wedding song and Rick sang it for us at our wedding. It was beautiful. But for an album entry - was it really needed? Ripple, All Our Past Times, Chain Gang, This Wheels On Fire, Four Winds Blow? There was nothing new to these songs and Rick had been playing them on and off on his tours for years. For me, at least in the context of a "new" album, 6 covers was not exciting for me nor what I expected. I realize the album was finalized posthumously, but when I hear the delicate beauty and grace of that first track, I wanted more of that. That captured a great essence of Rick as a maturing artist. It held his gift for crafting a beautiful song so wonderfully and I am thankful for that track. But critically, the rest of album is a let down. Change is Good, You Can Go Home and People of Consciece aren't even strong enough songs to replace the weakest songs on any of the post LW band albums - IMO


Entered at Thu Oct 16 18:28:40 CEST 2008 from ool-4574050e.dyn.optonline.net (69.116.5.14)

Posted by:

Ray

Nice to see mention of and ink on Rick's "Times Like These." What a great album with some fine musicianship. Also glad to see some mention of Jimmy Eppard. I met Jimmy on my way to a Ramble in "The Hobo Deli" on rt. 28 near Woodstock. Besides being an excellent guitarist he came off as a nice guy too. He was extremely loyal to Rick's memory and stressed that Rick was a "regular" kind of guy saying that Rick was well loved around town because he was accessible and genuinely friendly. Chatting with Jimmy for that few minutes was great way to kick off a Ramble evening.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 18:27:57 CEST 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

Thanks for the great article about Times Like These. The album has a hopeful, yet melancholy feel. Knowing it is the last we'll get makes me sad. We should have had a lot more of Rick. He was one of a kind.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 17:43:03 CEST 2008 from 21cust242.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.242)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Taxes On The Farmer

The banker says he's broke...... Some things just never change. Sticking with the theme, Some Things Just Never Change and The Banker Says He's Broke, good to see it only took a week or so for those poor bankers with their pockets full of tax payers money to get back to living the life they've earned.

AIG has started spending hundreds of thousands of tax payers cash, living the life they're accustomed to. Good for them, it gives the rest of us the encouragement we need at this moment of crashing markets and impending hard times to keep our nose to the grindstone to keep the money flowing to the top.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 16:48:14 CEST 2008 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

dlew919: Early on, Ry Cooder was influenced by many recordings on the Folkways label, including those by The New Lost City Ramblers. Hearing their versions would lead him to the original recordings. Another example from "Songs From The Depression" that Mr. Cooder covered was "Taxes On The Farmer Feed Us All", a traditional song that first gained fame through Fiddlin' John Carson's recording. He also recorded "How Can You Keep On Moving (Unless You Migrate Too)" that he first heard from that TNLCR's album, another traditional song which was popularized by Woody Guthrie.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 16:00:45 CEST 2008 from c-61-68-99-49.hay.connect.net.au (61.68.99.49)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: David P. That's it! Thanks

the thing I like about Cooder's version is that he (or someone else, and he liked the idea) changes the order fo hte verses, and it's a bit better...


Entered at Thu Oct 16 15:45:42 CEST 2008 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

dlew919: "How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Times And Live" was written & originally recorded by Blind Alfred Reed. Ry Cooder also covered Mr. Reed's "Always Lift Him Up".


Entered at Thu Oct 16 15:32:46 CEST 2008 from cache-mtc-ag03.proxy.aol.com (64.12.117.131)

Posted by:

Friend0

Steve, that review mentions Jimmy Eppard's guitar work. I can't say enough good things about this guys talent. Jimmy is deadly on guitar, in most genres of music. Plays, mandolin, steel, & sitar too. Well enough to play sitar on Sea To The North, for Garth. What does that tell you?. Garth has complimented Jimmy's musicianship very highly to me. Thee guys also is excellent to work with in the studio, both as a musician, and as another pair of ears to listen, mix, edit with. He's an all around music person, makes guitars & basses, and takes old ones apart & fixes em.

The Crows were Jimmy, Randy Ciarlante, & Mike Dunn. They later morphed into The Cromatix, with the addition of Prof Louie ( Aaron Hurwitz)& Levon. Did a bunch of shows at Joe's East in New Paltz,late 80s. Jimmy stayed in the band till around 2000 or 2001. JImmy has two bands these days. Pete Levin, Tony's brother,a keyboard player, very often performs in one of those. The other is a latin band


Entered at Thu Oct 16 14:19:53 CEST 2008 from 21cust170.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.170)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Times Like These

Thanks BEG, postings like that remind me that there are still Band related albums out there that I should pick up. I'm especially interested in hearings Rick's version of Ripple.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 12:53:34 CEST 2008 from bas3-toronto02-1279463531.dsl.bell.ca (76.67.16.107)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

CAVE 17. A HAPPY SHOE IS A FOXY SHOE. HomeAbout Rick Danko - Times Like These

This was written by Justin Cober-Lake. Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008, at 5:05 pm.


Entered at Thu Oct 16 05:20:18 CEST 2008 from c-61-68-98-247.hay.connect.net.au (61.68.98.247)

Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Struggle Street

Subject: Some other ones

Ry Cooder's version of 'How can a poor man stand such times and live?' still resonates today - Rev Garry ? did the original? Jeff? David P.?

Well the doctor comes around with his face all white

And he says in a little while y'all be all right

All he gives is a humbug pill

dose of dope and a great big bill

Tell me

How can a poor man, stand such times and live?

Well there once was a time when everything was cheap

But now prices nearly put a man to sleep

When we get our grocery bills

We just feel like making our wills

Tell me

How can a poor man stand such times and live....


Entered at Thu Oct 16 05:00:32 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

Joe, The Plumber Guy

I Got Chickies Climbin In The Windows Man! I'M A ROCK STAR!


Entered at Thu Oct 16 04:48:40 CEST 2008 from 69.182.53.63.adsl.snet.net (69.182.53.63)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Songs For The Depression

From the Felice Brothers 'Rockefeller Drug Law Blues'

"I tried to keep my job at the dollar store

Found out my mom was sick and a dollar wasn't enough no more

I promise you Mama, I'm gonna get you them pills

I got me a box of bags and a baker's scale"



Entered at Thu Oct 16 02:24:30 CEST 2008 from c-210-10-179-147.hay.connect.net.au (210.10.179.147)

Posted by:

dlew919

Location: Desolation Row...

Subject: Music for the Depression

Aparently, Rudy Vallee commissioned 'Brother can you spare a dime' after the Republican President (and I'm too lazy to google) requested a song for the Depression... But: what about 'When You Awake' (Cold's gonna come and the frost's gonna bite/my old car froze up last night/ain't no reason to hang my head/ I could wake up in the morning dead) Or, 'Shape I'm In': 'I just spent 60 days in the jailhouse, for the crime of having no dough/Now here I am back out on the streets, for the crime of havin' no where to go...) Or 'Life is a Carnival/ believe it or not/ Life is a carnival/ 2 bits a shot' And of Course, Springsteen...


Entered at Wed Oct 15 23:23:43 CEST 2008 from (199.106.94.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Songs for the New Depression

"Songs for the New Depression" was a 1976 Bette Midler LP featuring material ranging from "Strangers in the Night" to a Tom Waits song and even a duet with Bob Dylan on an UPBEAT version of "Buckets of Rain."

I'm just back from Austin and San Antonio and wish I could have stayed a little longer. Leon Russell did a couple of gigs in the area while I was there. I saw some great music memorabilia at Threadgill's and had some wonderful food at several places.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 22:29:45 CEST 2008 from mail1.lumberg.com (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Depression era songs

Can't leave off Woody Guthrie's catalog. Sorry if I missed somebody else's post if they mentioned him. But the way we are going, we can add any song the Britney Spears comes out with in the next year.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 22:25:01 CEST 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: The earliest depression song that I owned was "Beans, Bacon and Gravy", as sung sung by veteran Toronto folkies the Travellers on their '63ish album "Something to Sing About" (on e of my first four albums, I guess). I'm not sure who their accompanist was at the time, but it had earlier been Lenny Breau (no records), and was subsequently Amos Garrett (a couple).

For some reason that reminds me that I fought off the urge to buy Canadian folkie Oscar Brand's early "Barroom Songs and Backroom Ballads" from the early '60s, meaning I still haven't heard the bound-to-be immortal "Blinded By Turds" - a title that fascinated me when I first spotted a shot of the album cover in the early '70s when I picked up a copy of the Jim Messina and the Jesters album on Audio Fidelity and the Oscar Brand was one of those shown on the back. I also stifled the urge to buy three Lefevre Family LPs that turned up at Goodwill - mostly because none had Mylon among the performing sons.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 21:41:10 CEST 2008 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Vinyl Siding: Songs For These Times

SONGS FROM THE DEPRESSION -- The New Lost City Ramblers (Folkways mono LP) This great 1959 album, featuring Tom Paley, Mike Seeger & John Cohen, includes the following songs:

No Depression In Heaven / There'll Be No Distinction There / Breadline Blues / White House Blues / Franklin Roosevelt's Back Again / How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Times And Live / Keep Moving / Taxes On The Farmer Feeds Us All / Serves Them Fine / NRA Blues / Death Of The Blue Eagle / Join The C.I.O. / Old Age Pension / Sales Tax On Women / Wreck Of The Tennessee Gravy Train / Loveless C.C.C. / All I Got's Gone

JQ: I've really been enjoying the 2-disc version of "Tell Tale Signs" and give it 2-thumbs up!


Entered at Wed Oct 15 21:20:48 CEST 2008 from 21cust160.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.160)

Posted by:

Steve

I actually heard old Ringo explaining why he wasn't going to do it anymore. 40 YEARS IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!! Ringo, of course also said he doesn't miss living in Liverpool which led to some wankers smashing the statue of him in Liverpool.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 21:06:31 CEST 2008 from (67.235.94.115)

Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Ringo? Can You Say "Old"

Hey Ringo? Wanker? Over Here..., Why didn't you just hire somebody to answer your friggin letters to begin with? All your friends do! What if all your fans say "As of October 21st, WE will no longer buy anything on the rack with Ringo's name on it?" Would that brighten your mean snotty ass up? Peace and Love

p.s. You're not exactly Brad Pitt ya know, you best savor them letters!


Entered at Wed Oct 15 21:04:25 CEST 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Link to Ringo's video

Perhaps he's auditioning for a role in 'Cranky Old Men"

Peace and Love.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 20:44:50 CEST 2008 from pool-71-241-157-35.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (71.241.157.35)

Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Rngo's new version of the "No No Song"

I guess he is old enough and rich enough to so what he wants.


Entered at Wed Oct 15 19:29:12 CEST 2008 from (166.129.252.134)

Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Tell Tale Signs

Anybody else digging this as much as I am?


Entered at Wed Oct 15 19:14:20 CEST 2008 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

The cover for the first issue of the new smaller format of Rolling Stone should have featured Steve Martin, who had a hit with "Let's Get Small". Or maybe a better choice would have been Jason ("I was in the pool!") Alexander, who as George Costanza, was quite familiar with the problem of shrinkage. In the case of Rolling Stone, what you really notice now is that all those pages of ads, as well as substance, have shrunk.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Let's Party Like It's 1929

Might be time to hit the rods again in the near future so lets role out the hobo tunes everybody should know to wile away the miles in that rolling boxcar.

Hobo Jungle

Big Rock Candy Mountain

Hobo's Lullaby


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Posted by:

Peter V

Dunno, that thought always provided solace for me in the men's room.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

LOL rozzz. I can hear Amy Winehouse singing, "Fuck Me Pumps". I was at a New Year's party where the host told me that she was wearing hers that night. I wasn't impressed with her but it was this very night that I heard Keb Mo's "Angelina" for the first time.

Jean: I have a book where I used to write poetry and include my fave quotes....so thanks for the thread that I can't seem to shake loose.

Here are a few I have in my room at work.

"If we removed all the art (performing and visual) in the lives of our children, there is no way that adding more math, increasing more reading, requiring more science, mandating more foreign language, or scheduling more computer courses could replace what they would have lost."

"I hear, and I forget

I see, and I remember

I do, and I understand."

Bob Marley poster with...

"Get up, stand up, stand up for your right

Get up, Stand up, Don't give up the fight

Get up, stand up, life is your right

Don't give up the fight"

Jan H...You're welcome for including the Garth and Maud photos from Lund, Sweden on your pictures site. I guess Robbiesonians are useful afterall. ;-D "Making a noise! Making a noise! You can bet your ass I won't go quietly!"


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Depression Songs

Howabout the whole entire "Ghost of Tom Joad" album?

Hey, it's time to read again! With the lights goin' off and the computers shuttin' down and everybody losin' their houses and squattin' where they can dig a hole fer a stew pot and share a blanket by the fire... Make your choice.. depending on which depression is more prevalent at the time, you can read either John Steinbeck or Janet Frame!


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Posted by:

roz

The wife isn't always right, Peter! Sometimes she just wants those classic $500.00 pumps in the window of the latest fashion shoppe..


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: A world where size matters …

David, you shouldn't open all those SPAM e-mails. Don't believe them. It's not how big it is, it's what you do with it that counts.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: new book by Maureen Mccormick aka Marcia Brady

I include this only because of her mention of partying at Sammy Davis Jr.'s house. I doubt it was when our boys were there.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Rolling Stone crossed the point of no return when Milli Vanilli made the cover in the late 80's.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Goodbye Rolling Stone, Hello Forbes!

The music business nowadays seems to pay more attention to the top grossing concert rankings in Forbes than they do to the critical reviews in other magazines. And now even Rolling Stone has officially gone small, in a world where size matters.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Web: My link

Subject: Roundabouts and Fallen On Hard Times

For depression songs, I'll add Jethro Tull's Fallen On Hard Times, linked above, from the Dave Pegg era. My neighborhood recently had a roundabout installed at its' entrance and it has created all sorts of confusion. I like it as it slows traffic and if you forgot something at home you can easily enter it and turn around. Some people though think you just stop at it like it is a stop sign and you have to honk at them. One person finally gave up their individual civil disobedience of driving right through it and over the landscaped interior. Maybe they finally got arrested for vandalism.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Todd, long & well known for small thinking, I, agree with you & Chrissie.

I find it holds true for so many things. Small contractors can do better work. Usually , when they try expand beyond a certain point, the workmanship goes right down the shitter. When the eye is towards expansion and minimaliaztion of investment, effort and expense, things go right down the shitter. And it is the rare small business, that makes the proper investment of effort & expense to really expand properly., It can be done , of course, it has been done, But it aint the case most of the time no more. Most everyone wants fame & fortune. Especailly true of so many muscians or musical acts.

Were we talking about music?. Well, I lll tie this back in later, maybe. Gotta run.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Rock & Roll

I saw this extract in the current issue of Rolling Stone magazine. It’s from an interview with Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders. Words of wisdom….I think she has a good point.

R.S. How would you describe the current state of rock?

C.H. It used to be a secret between the audience and the artist. But I think a lot of bands turned it into a sport, like, “We want to be the biggest band in the world and play in the biggest places!” It just got all flabby and stupid. Musicians started going to gyms, and it was all about choreography. That’s not my cup of tea. Think small – that’s my motto.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Kingston Circle,at exit 19 on New York State thruway. It's a motherfucker. People don't bother to slow down, just zoom. Also, it's been ages since people have known how to get on & off the highway. not a difficult concept, yielding or accelerating your vehicle when appropriate.

Worst places I've seen to get on & off the highway, Minneapolis, and oklahoma City. Lots os Minneappolis esxit and entrance ramps seem to be way too damn close together. I mean a few car lengths and that's it.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Circles-Roundabouts

Here in NJ, Roundabouts are called Circles. They were quite common at one point but as populations grew and folks apparent confusion as to how they work, most have been eliminated. They have been restructured into giant intersections - sometimes for the better, sometimes (space dependency seems to really determine this) they are more of a nightmare than before. There are still a few left here and there. In upstate NY in the town of Ticonderoga they have one and works remarkably well. It does so because the population small and the traffic relatively light, signs posted properly, so the ebb and flow of it works very well.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Call

… or "The Walls Came Down" by The Call featuring Garth Hudson.


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Posted by:

Jean

Subject: Depression List Additional Song

There is no link to Knockin' Lost John - I typed in the wrong place.


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Posted by:

Jean

Web: My link

Knockin' Lost John


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Music For Riding Out A Depression from Vanity Fair...Thanks Simon for the link!

1. Brother Can You Spare a Dime (Rudy Vallee)

2. Nobody Told Me (John Lennon)

3. Hard Knock Life (Jay-Z)

4. I and I Survive (Bad Brains)

5. Fake Empire (The National)

6. Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now (The Smiths)

7. Help! (The Beatles)

8. Tangled Up in Blue (Bob Dylan)

9. Small Axe (Bob Marley and the Wailers)

10. Enter Sandman (Metallica)

11. No Cars Go (Arcade Fire)

brown eyed girl's list...

To Hell With Poverty...Gang Of Four

I Fought The Law...The Clash

Pressure Drop...Toots and The Maytals

Them Belly Full(But We Hungry)...Bob Marley and The Wailers

So Much Trouble In The World...Bob Marley and The Wailers

Money's Too Tight To Mention...Simply Red

Walls Come Tumbling Down...Style Council

There Is Power In A Union...Billy Bragg


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Roundabouts

(One for the Yes fans). There's a book around that's been extracted heavily in the newspapers about road signs … I'm not sure whether it's English or American as it has examples of both, but there are photos taken from cars where up to TWENTY road signs are visible, and experiments in a village in Holland and a busy street in London indicated that removing the vast majority made people drive more safely and reduced accidents. One of the points the extract made was the accident toll from traditional American four way junctions compared to European roundabouts, which is one of those spectacular figures. It is what you're used to, though. Those four way junctions terrify me because priority (who arrived first) is subjective and open to later debate. On roundabouts you give priority to vehicles already on them.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I apologize for not including photographer's name of the Garth and Maud photos in Lund May 2008. Photographer Max Adolfsson. Thank you!

"They say it takes a minute to find a special person,

an hour to appreciate them,

a day to love them,

but then an entire life to forget them."

"Do not value the THINGS you have in your life...

But value WHO you have in your life!"

"I've learned that people will forget what you said,

People will forget what you did,

But people will never forget how you made them feel."


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Posted by:

Jean

Subject: Roundabouts

You're supposed to stop? My main experience with rotaries (as I believe they're called here) is trying to get onto Cape Cod in Massachusetts. I've always thought the yield signs were an inside joke. If you yield or stop you'll spend your entire vacation going around in circles.


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Posted by:

Peter V

In the UK it's always a huge surprise to hear The Band anywhere at all. They played The Weight last week mid afternoon on BBC Radio 2 and I nearly failed to stop at the roundabout in shock. It turned out to be a segment where a listener sends in a playlist of ten. But the DJ waxed most enthusiastic saying it was one of the greatest rock songs of all time and a tragedy that it was played so rarely on the BBC. They DO play Rag Mama Rag … they used to have a Radio Two playlist of classics which was relatively short (i.e. about 1000) but included Rag Mama Rag … Van had three on it, Bright Side of The road, Brown Eyed Girl and Precious Time.

On the James Last … first muzac was traditionally designed not to interrupt your thoughts, so it wouldn't qualify on dynamic range etc, BUT if you were in an elevator and it stuck and its song replayed, it would be preferable to (say) Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep or Knock Three Times which would induce insanity after two hours. The Last is merely a misguided and very bland version of a very good song.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Bashful,the mandolin part in Alantic City was originated & performed by Eric Bazilian.


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Posted by:

rosalind

I suggest everyone go to their local medical supply store and buy a bottle of this liquid medicated soap that I've been using. It's made by Smith & Nephew. It's the consistency of water and it smells very very Clean! It's an antimicrobial skin cleanser called "Secura" This stuff makes you feel like you've just popped out of the womb, been washed down and wrapped in a crisp white sheet, minus, of course, the screaming at the top of your lungs because some maniac has just pulled you out of your private vibrating swimming pool by the head with a pair of tongs !


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Tull&Steve

On Sunday mornings our classic rock station does a 3 hour show playing a lot of older deeper cuts of artists from Dylan, Van, Bruuuuce, Joni, Cockburn, occasionally even a bit of Gram. The Band is usually represented every week - the DJ is pretty fond of NLSC, but has been known to go as deep as Share Your Love or Unfaithful Servant. Classic rockers folkier stuff, often acoustic but certainly not always. For a couple years they used Levon's opening mandolin notes from Atlantic City in promos for the show & to segue from commercials back into the show, & the song is occasionally played.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Piped Right Into My Kitchen

A segment of Remedy is used by our local CBC breakfast show to introduce interviews at least once a week, it always catches my attention.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Muzak

Muzak and other similar services providing background music for stores & offices have evolved over the years. Nowadays they're basically a satellite broadcast service that allows subscribing businesses to customize the music by genre or mood. And also, the music recorded by the original artists is available, instead of the lame cover versions piped in elevators back in the day.

As an example -- several years ago, my local Publix supermarket featured "Remedy" by The Band, "8:05" by Moby Grape and "Moondance" by Van Morrison in heavy rotation.


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Posted by:

Bill M

JFT: Good, though sad, point. But boy things were different back in the day. I guess it was '85 when I heard a muzak version of "Aqualung" piped into a fancy chinese restaurant in Jeddah. Just instrumental, I'm afraid, so I didn't get to hear a chorus warble its way through the "snot running down his nose" part.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Subject: Joan Baez and the Muppets

Link to the Muppet Show with Joan Baez doing TNTDODD


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Elevator music

Possibly more Band music could have been converted to elevator music back in the 70's, but there is no longer a market for it. Why? Because on several recent trips to the local Kroger grocery store I found myself on various days enjoying The Band's Life is a Carnival, Pink Floyd, The Band version of Remedy, Joe Walsh, Jethro Tull's Bourre, and many others piped into the store. Then I realized the downside: The fans of these songs and artists have now slipped into the demographic that Elevator Music had been aimed at. So Pink Floyd and such is no longer the rebellious outlet to listen to in your parent's or friend's basement while toking on something, but what you listen to while picking out the best head of lettuce or squeezing the Charmin.


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Posted by:

Bill M

jh: 'Enjoy' would be too strong a word, but I did listen to it. Last et al do deserve points for not succumbing to the temptation to copy Joan Baez's lyrics. And for not trying to copy Levon's amazing drumming (especially the military shots before the last round of chorusing). But they lose points for having the chorus sing just la-la-la-la when the bells ring, rather than the ambivalent na-la-la-na of the original. (Maybe the mournful oooo that follows the la-la-la is intended to do that, but I doubt it.) Of all the versions I've heard, only Levon's, to my ears, loops "they should never have taken the very best" back from the loss of Virgil's firewood to the loss of his brother.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: James Last Dixie

OMG! I just listened to the first chorus and I think my ears are bleeding I must go listen to the original to purge that.


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Posted by:

James Last "doing" Dixie

Web: My link

Subject: jh

Click link above. Enjoy, music lovers.


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Posted by:

Bill M

jh: Thanks. Sodomized is such an elegant way of saying it! I guess I've been unlucky all these years, as I don't remember having seen the cover at all. The mystery song, listed as "Carry On (?)", may be "Carry Me", the Stampeders' smaller hit just before "Sweet City Woman". For what it's worth, they were clearly doing their best to write a Bandish song: "Carry me, home to Alabam, so Sarah's homemade jam, to where I grew a man ..." On the other hand, given it was written from the perspective a guy caught up in some old crazy Asian war, I guess they could also have been Kenny Rogers wannabees ("Ruby, Don't Take Your Love To Town").


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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Elevator music

Bill M wrote:

"Speaking of muzak, it always surprises me how little Band material was used recorded for elevator play. I've yet to find a single song an a James Last or Klaus Wunderlich LP, and I've looked."

Tsk, tsk, Bill. You, of all people, should know where to look. Check link above :-)


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: UOCC cover

JH: Sorry I neglected to provide at least the serial number: 477-5139. Will try scanning the covers for you.

Speaking of muzak, it always surprises me how little Band material was used recorded for elevator play. I've yet to find a single song an a James Last or Klaus Wunderlich LP, and I've looked.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Laurie Bower Singers

Bill M., can you please send us the details for that LP with the MOR-style UOCC cover, for inclusion in the archives here? Thanks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: vinyl

The first Rolling Stones British EP was a major inspiration and I bought my copy when it came out … delighted to see one found its way to a good home in Atlanta. There is an attitude that Jagger had then that really fitted You Better Move On. I knew it before the original Arthur Alexander and it remains the definitive version for me.

I’ve had a week of many vinyl finds, but the one I’m enjoying most is Club Nitty Gritty by Chuck Berry, his first Mercury single. It’s slightly sad in that Chuck has decided to go for that Stax / Atlanta groove, but with his band it sounds extremely thin … not lacking in feel, just thin. Also the club in question is one of the new “discos” springing up in 1965, and Chuck shows his age by mentioning doing the twist there in the lyrics. I also found Chuck’s 1979 Atlantic single Oh What A Thrill.


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Posted by:

Jean

Subject: Joan/BEG's link

Joan - They're very slow to open - at first I thought I couldn't open them either but eventually it worked.


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Posted by:

Little Brøther

Subject: Whoda Thunk It?

Nice to find the Guestbook open for bidness again.

Now if we could only get Robbie, Garth & Levon to work together! Um, just kidding... sort of.

Two Band-related comments covering the past five years:

#1.) In 2005, I moved from my apartment after 20+ years and into a (small) house. I jokingly mentioned to a friend that I had to buy two headphone cord extensions so I could listen to my stereo while at the kitchen sink. My friend said, "It's a HOUSE-- why do you need headphones?"

Next morning I considered her advice, and cranked up Disc Three of the "History" set. I just happened to walk past my front door during "Slippin' and Slidin'", and noticed a silhouette that looked an awful lot like a cop-- I hadn't heard the bell ring. I jumped a mile!

He was very pleasant, just said "way too loud"-- they'd gotten a call from a neighbor. Busted! I felt like a teenager. Switched back to the headphones next day-- now I have a little music player to protect me from unwanted brushes with The Law.

#2.) I don't know why they didn't include the "long version" of "To Kingdom Come" on the original "Music from Big Pink". I especially like the timbre of Garth's instrument-- I want to say "organ", but who knows?-- along with the usual superb musicianship.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEGs Garth Photos

For some reason my computer won't open the link. It seems that no one else had any problem. Oh well.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Subject: another cover of UOCC / Irwin Stambler book

A visit to the local Value Village yielded the Laurie Bower Singers' version of "Up On Cripple Creek" on their "Look What We've Done to These Songs, Ma" LP (Canadian Talent Library, 1970?). I haven't listened to it yet, but it'll be very MOR, having been recorded by/for a couple chains of what were then MOR radio stations, the most important being CFRB, which is where our own John D now works. (Apparently the stations got into making their own records because they had trouble finding enough commercial produced Canadian muzak with which to fill their CanCon obligations.)

The album also includes two songs written by Robbie Robertson's former group-mate (Consuls and Suedes), Gene MacLellan, two by the Paupers' original lead singer, Bill Misener, and one by Bachman-Cummings.

Speaking of the Guess Who, life also tossed my way a copy of Irwin Stambler's 1970 book, "Guitar Years: Pop Music from Country and Western to Hard Rock". Has a positive and accurate half page on our guys, followed immediately by the following statement: "Canada's new eminence in the rock field is underscored by the Guess Who" (get a bit more than a half page).

David Clayton Thomas also puts in an appearance, though I wouldn't have mentioned it if it weren't for the following insight, which I would draw to the attention of Bumbles, a notorious disliker of the blues: "Not many white singers are really into the blues thing. They think blues is supposed to bring you down. Blues is like getting up in the morning and sticking your foot in the toilet. It's terrible when it happens, but it's somehow funny when you tell about it later."


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Posted by:

bob w.

Great article on Robert Johnson. Thanks for the link, Simon. Hope you are doing well.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Calling Doctor Hudson..........

BEG, wonderful photos of Professor Hudson and Maud. I think it might be the first time I've seen the prof, miked. I bet you it's not only on but is turned up to 11.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Vinyl Siding

This is one of my best finds at used record stores:

THE ROLLING STONES (1964 Decca UK mono 45 EP with laminated cover) Songs include:

Bye Bye Johnny

Money

You Better Move On

Poison Ivy

"You Better Move On" was later included on the 1965 U.S. London LP "December's Children (And Everybody's)".

Correction to my post yesterday regarding the second Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section. It was Jimmy Johnson, who was the guitarist in that group that left Rick Hall's FAME studio in Florence and started their own studio in Sheffield. Eddie Hinton also became a part of the house band there.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: lists

Thanks to BEG -that first photo of Garth is fantastic - all credit to the photog, but you have to admit, for a guy that hogs the shadows, Mr. Hudson is very photogenic.

Thanks very much to Simon for the Robert Johnson link. Poking about the _Vanity Fair_ site, I got suckered by their "25 best of" lists. These things are always kind of silly, but I note that _The Last Waltz_ and _Don't Look Back_ both feature in the Top 25 Documentary films. And Sir John Tenniel figures in two lists, so there's some taste at work here . . . .


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Evidence Needed From The Front

Have Republican rallies really started degenerating into chants of " Kill Obama?" Northern Boy, you shall no longer be referred to as,He who shall remain brainless, from these quarters. No quid pro quo required. Carry on as before.


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Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

Jeff, Johnny Shines spent his last years in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. When I was in college there in the 70's he frequently played there and in Birmingham. After he had a stroke in the early 80's he still toured occasionally with a guy named Kent Duchaine. The stroke affected his playing some, but his voice was still powerful.

His daughter Carroline is a wonderful blues singer and a delightful person. She lives in Tuscaloosa and is a teaching artist with the Alabama Blues Project (link above), an after-school and summer program where kids learn to play and sing the blues. I know that sounds like a weird construct, but I visited an after school session a few months ago and it's really impressive. The music component is great and the program involves kids from all parts of the city and county, giving them the opportunity to play together and get to know each other.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

More Garth Hudson Photos

LIVEBILDERBESÖKARERECENSIONERBLOGGAR 2008-05-06 - GARTH HUDSON från Universitetsaulan / Akademiska


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks Jeff...

Thankfully, that's my first time ever being wrong here. (embarrassed silence)


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Posted by:

Friend0

Dlew, Johnny Dyers is still alive. Somehow easy to confuse the two. I've done it, though it is embarassing, a certified fucking shonda, & there is no good reason.

I'm pretty sure Shines lived out his time in Chicago, but Dyers, younger also, moved to L.A. Still recording with the Mannish Boys and Hollywood Blue Flames.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Thanks for that article Simon. Regardless how many attempts i made,it kept skipping from page 2 to 5. So i never got to read the entire thing. But it was riveting in a way. I have to disagree with the last line though. Wearing better clothes and eating better food has nothing to do with whether or not someone has the blues, or is walking talking blues. If they are blues, if you've got the real thing, you can have em regardless, when you're well heeled. If they're already in you, they don't leave.

"When the blues
come to stay
They go deep inside.
Like a close friend
They stay deep inside.
See the blues
never leave
They just go
deep inside."

Verse 3 From The Blues Don't Knock. (c) 2005 J. Alexander, J. Johnson, R. McDonough. Lyrics, Alexander. Music, A, J & M.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Location: The Crossroads...

Subject: Simon

Thank you for posting that great article. I thought Johnny Shines was still alive, so he could have been asked, but he's not, so .... I'm not sure it's Johnson, but you need to see the ears to b certain. Thanks again!


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Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: Robert Johnson photograph

Thought this might be of interest ... a fascinating 5 page article from the November Vanity Fair about a 'new' snap of RJ. Dig those elegant fingers.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: would that I was so good

As I pointed out, I was not the genius who found the link. I am only passing it on. BEG still wins. I agree with your analysis. It would have to be done right or not at all.


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Posted by:

Friend0

NB, after all these years and all these posts you really surprise me.

Bama, who doesn't read my posts,can discuss everything that's in em. I really expected more from you.

Westocaster "Too Soon Gone" Jones may still have my email address.

what the hell. cousinmoe(nowswitchtonumeric)fiftyeight(nowswitchback)atayeoheldotcom


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Posted by:

David P.

bob w: I readily agree with your recommendation of the Otis Redding live set. In addition to bassist Norbert Putnam, the rest of the musicians who played on Arthur Alexander's "You Better Move On" included Jerry Carrigan on drums, keyboardist David Briggs, Forrest Riley on acoustic guitar and Terry Thompson (who also wrote the B-side "A Shot Of Rhythm & Blues) on electric guitar. These musicians, along with others that included Billy Sherrill, Spooner Oldham and Earl "Peanut" Montgomery, were the first Muscle Shoals rhythm section who gained fame recording at Rick Hall's FAME studio.

Putnam, Briggs & Carrigan later joined their friend Billy Sherrill to achieve even more success in Nashville and David Hood, Roger Hawkins, Barry Beckett and Eddie Hinton replaced them as the FAME "house band".


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: JeffOH!

Not knowing of the existence of your contact page, its name or even your last name are the only excuses I can offer for not contacting your contact page, Jeff. Admittedly flimsy, but they're all I have.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Otis Redding

A quick recommendation...Otis Redding -"Live in London and Paris". Every Otis Redding fan should have a copy.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: You Better Move On

Another Band connection: Norbert Putnam, who produced Joan Baez's hit version of TNTDODD, played bass on Arthur Alexander's original version of "You Better Move On".


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Posted by:

bob w.

Good one, Petey.


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Posted by:

Friend0

NB, I'm dissappointed in you. I'da thunk a puncutated guy like you woulda known how to contact me. Like thru my contact page.

Joan, that Rick film link you put up, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and risk hurting Angelina's feelings, but finding that one, wihtr just one link, I venture you may have dethroned Mrs Jimmy Dean, the link queen. :-)

I must say, I don't like Luke's concept, for the film. Rick did come from a gang of guys, but he was not alone after the last waltz. Things were different, but he was not alone. If the film just portrayed his life, and the events, that's one thing. But Luke inidcated he thought peaking inside Rick's head back then would show he was all of a sudden adrift and had lost his identitiyt. First I say bullshit. Rick might have been shot out of a cannon sometimes, but he never seemed to be short on self awareness, or a fool. I'm not thinking Luke;s approach is possible, that it is something that someone can do and portray it honestly and accurately. if it was going to be objective, and just portray events as they unfolded, that's one thing, but to get psychological, would be bullshit. If rick was alive, and wanted to advise them, one thing, but other than that, or wives and close friends advising very heavily, it's bullshit.

Also, Rick was not alone, He was surrounded. Blondie, Butterfield, etc etc. Those three were a troika if there ever was one. So, yes, he wasn't part of The Band right then, but he wasn't alone. And hadn't lost his identity.

Luke must be a misguided Danketeer. His heart is in the right place, but he don't know what the fuck he is talking about.

Next thing ya know, he' d hire Don Henley to be the musical director of the film.

Somebody stop that man!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: You Better Move On

David: glad to see discussion of Levon's latest. I think the new version is a fabulous arrangement with an excellent lilt to it, and well-sung. But I'm going to be ageist here … it doesn't fall well from such a mature voice. It made me go to Mick Jagger (then around twenty) and it sounds right from him, and from Arthur Alexander who would have been older, but not that much older. There's a thing about lyrics and age. Even if it's your greatest hit, I don't think teen angst falls well from someone in their mid sixties. And that applies to covers too.

Birthday greetings to Sam Hultonfield. Actually, I've never met him, and none of you have either, and I'm not exactly how sure how old he is, but I saw in today's local paper that it was his birthday. So! Well done, Sam. Have many of them!


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Posted by:

bob w.

Happy birthday wishes to Paul Simon.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Owen Wilson as Rick

David, I can't speak for the other Dankettes, but Owen Wilson doesn't do it for me.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Legally Blonde On Blonde

Joan: Luke Wilson also has a Dylan connection of sorts through his role as Bobby Cupid in "Masked and Anonymous". Some might say that his older brother Owen would be a good choice for the role of Rick.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: JeffOH!

I'll be back later, probably with an address. Norm on your email list ? I must warn you though Jeffo, I'm nowhere near as exciting in person. In fact I've been told more than once I have a face that's instantly forgettable - even while you're still looking at it ! (See how this making NB look stupid thing is done Steve ?)


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Luke Wilson on a Rick Danko Movie

This clip was posted elsewhere. An interesting concept, Of course no one they picked to play Rick could come close to the real thing. No Tina Fey Sarah Palin matchup for sure.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Steve, Leave Me Alone And Let Me Discuss Music !

I couldn't find Mike The Headless Chicken, whose mental functioning allegedly resembles mine. But I did find a certain Mike From Canmore whose mental functioning most certainly resembles yours. So thanks for the tip.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: "Matriculate the ball down the field..."

Jan F. & Deb: Remember, the college football ranking that counts the most, the BCS standings, will first appear this season next Sunday, October 19th.

I've really been enjoying Levon's version of Arthur Alexander's "You Better Move On" from the Imus Ranch Record. He & his band add a little lilting riff, featuring fiddle & accordion, to the melody. With the exception of the Big & Rich song, I like everything on this compilation to some degree.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Steve, if you do decide to move here, you probably can bring Abby. Pasturing & feeding the whole herd would be difficult, but I think we can find enough good grass to keep one cool cow well fed, shapely, and mooing up a storm.


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Posted by:

Steve

NB, I think you might be right, having a brain might not be necessary to function at the level you do. But you're not alone. Check out Mike The Headless Chicken.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Northern Nutjob, if you email me your parents old address, I'll go take a picture of the house, block, etc and send em to you. I'm thinking you can find my e mail address all by yourself. If indeed you are brainless, someone you e mail with is bound to have it.


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Posted by:

DEE

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

Best Wishes to all Canadians!

Now, when is Leif Erikson Day?


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Posted by:

Plochmann Lane

Location: NH
Web: My link

Subject: Remebering Bryson McCabe - a young Band fan.

We are mourning the untimely loss of 16-yr old Bryson McCabe, a young Band fan who assisted Rick Danko's niece, Danielle, w/ her Rick Myspace page. The link to his guestbook memorial is included above. He is also memorialized on Danielle's Rick Myspace page & on Carol Caffin's Rick blog. May he be remembered well.


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Posted by:

Plochmann Lane

Location: NH
Web: My link

Subject: Happy b'day Jan Hoiberg!

Happy b'day to the man, not the myth, Jan H!


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Posted by:

Deb

Subject: oops!

That would be "discourse".


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Posted by:

Deb

Well, Jan F., looks like Texas jumped us in the rankings, but that's only fair since they beat the number one team. What counts is who's there at the end of the year. I'm just glad to see things back on track in Tuscaloosa.

Happy Birthday, if a bit belatedly, Jan H. and Happy Thanksgiving to those of you in Canada.

I've been spending more time on the political pages, too, so I won't be tempted to engage in inappropriate discorse here. :o) See y'all next month!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: JanH

A very Happy Birthday and many more healthy and happy ones.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Best wishes to Judy for a speedy recovery -

Happy Thanksgiving to those north of our border -

. . . and last, but not least, a big ROLL TIDE to Deb (& Mr. Steve) as their football team didn't have to play this weekend, but may still be #1 in the rankings!

Back to the political forums -- 22 days to go. J.F.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Brown Eyes....

Quit worshipping other human beings and go have yerself some turkey .... ;D!

Nice photographs.. Wonder who done Levon's teeth? Boy, they's nice'ins


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I give thanks and praises to Garth Hudson.

Artist: Garth Hudson Album: Garth and Maud Hudson Live at the WOLF Track: International Medley

I give thanks and praises to Maud Hudson....especially for her cover of "Baby, Don't Do It".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I give thanks and praises to Richard Manuel.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I give thanks and praises to Levon Helm.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I give thanks and praises to Robbie Robertson and Rick Danko.


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Posted by:

Friend0

This is a quickie, as I'm out the door momentarily.

NB, better hurry up. Jimmy and Mike Merritt move to L.A. soon. You can bet that when they visit NY afterwards The Black Italians will play, but right now they are playing every chance they get.

October 28th at SOBs, 11:30 PM, Nov 13 the at The Cutting Room, 9:45. I'd be honored to meet you anytime you arrive here, take you to the show, introduce you to the band and lunatics I'v e known for over twenty years, all of us going to see Jimmy play since 1985 or 6, some people even longer. I returned to NY in 85.

Flatbush ave is a long ave. Goes from one end of Brooklyn to another, ending at The Manhattan Bridge on one end, the Jamaica Bay at the other. I live down near the Jamaica Bay end. Your folks probably lived not far from Church Ave, Ablemarle Road area, Ditmas, Erasmus. A little closer to my end of Flatbush than the other. A nd not terribly far either. the area you describe changed a lot 30 to 35 years ago.

I've frequented that area my whole life, sometimes it was more advisable than others. Lots of good working class people in there always & still, from all over the globe, good place to get oxtail, roti, etc. Time of day, who you are with, how you behave, and luck all have a lot to do with whether or not you get cut or machine gunned. People from more hipster areas are starting to move in to the fringes of there again. Things keep going the way they are, working people won't have a place to live in brooklyn in fifteen to thirty years.

Steve, capitol, capital, or not,NY is it's own category. It ain't anywhere near as good as it used to be but there is only one. Personally I wish people would stop wanting to move here. But Amanda is always welcome. You are too, but I think finding a place for the herd whould be difficult.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Happy T. Steve !

Don't try to make me look stupid(,)Stevon ! I insist on having all the fun of doing that myself and, Thanksgiving or not, I have no plans to share that with anyone. FYI: Brainless, doesn't mean mindless. You should've been able to deduce this by my constantly demonstrated ability to talk and think circles around the likes of you. Get back to me after you solve GB paragraphing.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Capital Idea

To He Who Shall Remain Brainless, NYC is not a European capital, it's not even an American capital, and now that it's no longer even a center of capital you don't have to include it on your tour of world capitals. Though it would be a capital idea to link up with Jeff to see Les Italiens Noires.


Entered at Sun Oct 12 05:46:44 CEST 2008 from (207.102.102.8)

Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Thanks Jeff and Joan

On behalf of posters from Northern Nation, Northern Boy thanks you two down in the 11th province, or Southern Canada as JeffOH! calls it, for your Thanksgiving best wishes. I'm not sure that thinking is really the fort eh ? of many Canuckleheads anymore, if you know what I mean. But some of us do still realize that we have much to be thankful for.

Hey, Jeff. When I eventually get to NYC, on your say-so I'm definitely going to try to see Jimmy V. and the Black Eye-talians. I'd also like to look up where my folks lived and oldest brother was born during WW2. This would be near Flatbush Ave. in Brooklyn. Uncle Miltie Berle and I believe Henny (take my wife- PLEASE) Youngman lived in my folks' neighbourhood. Mom says it was a great neighbourhood then. Would I necessarily get murdered if I went there now ? Although I've been to many European capitals, strangely I've never been to NYC so sorry if my question is idiotic or offensive.

STEVE: Just the usual seasonal caution. Stay clear of turkey so the gendarme don't chuck you in the slammer for cannibalism.

NB


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Posted by:

Friend0

Dang Guys,

It's a Canucki Holiday for jimminy's sake.

Knock it off, and no gosh darn politics.

And JH coulda been born in 58 , and pushing 50. It's been known to happen.


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Posted by:

Another 59 Model

Happy Birthday Jan!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Happy Thanksgiving to all Canuckstanis.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: T H A N K S G I V I N G !

Oh My God! I ain't got nuthin' prepared!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Thanksgiving

To all my fellow posters from Canada, I just want to wish you a Happy and Blessed Thanksgiving. May the coming year be filled with joy and many reasons to be thankful. We will prevail and come out of these hard times on top.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Here's what I mean about Steve Forbert....Both he and Garland Jeffreys never got their just rewards but they've rewarded me so much....so much.....:-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Steve Forbert and Middle Age. I just adore him. I ran into Blind Willie McTell at Hugh's Room at one of his gigs. He's so good that he can just get up on stage with another guitarist and Steve will use his cowboot to keep the beat and his songs do all the talking. Mr. Maximus took photos of us as he signed one of my CDS. I will have to see him again the next time he's here. It was his music as well as Robbie's "Shine Your Light" that helped me during a grieving period in my life. I love you Steve.

Judy: Hold on and think about the one who gave you much joy at one time.

I'm thankful this Thanksgiving weekend for my family, friends, music, books, children who hug me and love me unconditonally and the posters in here who have shown kindness and appreciation. We're going to imagezulu's Ma's home tomorrow and then to Mr. Maximus' home on Monday. Both men I guess dig me and I dig them.

I've decided that since imagezulu always seems to change our plans to see Levon.....I'll go on my own the way I used to because although I've seen him perform many times I've never heard him sing live. Jan F and Bashfull Bill...How about a Band get together in NYC or Toronto?


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: the other Québec diva

this from _Globe and Mail_ 10 Oct, by line Guy Dixon:

"Toronto -- Rufus Wainwright's much anticipated first opera, Prima Donna, won't be staged in New York, as once expected, but in Manchester, England. Sung in French and set in Paris, the opera will be staged as part of the Manchester International Festival from July 10-19 next year.

Wainwright had once been in talks New York's Metropolitan Opera, which commissioned the work, but those talks fell through after the Met insisted the work be in English. The Met reportedly also couldn't mount the opera until 2014."


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Speaking of Austin...

I never knew our webmaster ever lived in the Austin area (or even the US, for that matter). I'll be visiting there this weekend and spending some time in San Antonio, too, so thanks again to everyone here who gave me all those Texas tune titles a year or so ago. I don't think any state has more songs than Texas.


Entered at Sat Oct 11 01:49:42 CEST 2008 from chl179129.usc.edu (128.125.179.129)

Posted by:

Linda

Subject: Thanks

On Judy's behalf, I would like to thank all of you for your good wishes and kind words. I am sure she will thank you herself when she is back on her feet. I know she greatly appreciates your thoughts and prayers and your concern for her will raise her spirits tremendously. Thanks again.


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Posted by:

rosalind

I love you too Norbert... I haven't forgotten your sweenesses to me over the years. I never forget sweetness I know I got a big mouth and I like to raise hell and all but.. when it comes right down to it... I just like to raise hell.

I wish Judy a quick recovery. I'm having a rather slow recovery as I still have a narrow but deep hole in my stomach where my belly button used to be. I have to go back to a one-piece bathing suit now. That would probably be a good idea anway since I'm almost fifty. I won't elaborate any further.....

Would like to know what happened to Empty Now? Dave Z? Jerry? Mr. Donabie? Mr. Donabie, are you okay?


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Subject: New Jersey U.S.A.

A typically cloddish misreading on your part, STEVE. Bumbles thought the glimpse the “Eliza’s Horoscope” piece gave of the Band’s decision-making process and JR2’s role in it, circa 1969, was striking. The same thing struck him the first time he read the article. (That "brains of the Band" bit shows promise, though. It could catch on.)

On another subject, the backslash is a tricky little bugger, but if you keep looking you’ll find it on your keyboard. When you do, the brave new world of paragraph-making will open up for you.


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Posted by:

Deb

Linda, please give Judy my best wishes for a full, quick recovery.


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Posted by:

rosalind

You're a very lucky man jh! Townes Loved Norway and you all loved him back... that bodes well for you.


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Posted by:

Steve

Linda, wish Judy well,please. BUMBLES you're such a twit. That post yesterday was just sooooooo funny. You of all people "BEING STRUCK" by J2Rs being the guy who is put out front when weighty projects are to be discussed is sooooooooooo absurd unless you've forgotten you've been pushing him tirelessly as The Brains Behind The Band for all GB Eternity.

BUMBLES, say it ain't so, say you really weren't STRUCK by what you've been pointing out to us as being SO OBVIOUS all these years./n Of course we all know who thought he was the brains behind The Band but we also all really know who was the brains behind the Band and they ain't one and the same.


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Posted by:

jh

Saw the great, great TvZ live twice. The first time was at some joint in Austin, TX (the Broken Spoke?), where we lived in 93-94, very hazy memories, I'm afraid. Then again in Oslo, after we went home. Must have been 1996, at the Cruise Cafe. The gig still etched into what is left of this soon 50-year old memory.


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Posted by:

roz

There's a great biography on Townes written by a guy named John Kruth called To "Live's,To Fly" I bought a copy off Townes van Zandt central. They also got a couple of posters. The store's run by Townes ex wife, Jeanene. who like Priscilla Presley, divorced Townes because of his ...ways.... then after the guy dies, she becomes the grieving widder! She runs this store down there in Smyrna. I was customer 200, so, I expect they don't sell too much. Anybody who'd like to have a poster of the greatest unknown songwriter the world ever produced can go there and collect a couple of really nice posters for ten bucks a piece. They also got the "Live in Amsterdam" Dvd where Townes and his guitar sing and play for two hours. This is the only entire concert ever filmed if you don't count Houston 88 where he sat in a Holiday Inn on a couch and strummed and sang. I'm like Peter when it comes to Dylan, him being a completest and all. I feel that way about Van Zandt.

"The black crow's a screamin'
The yella sun's warm
The grass tumbles tall down the hill
There's a cold wind a buildin
It's bringin' a storm
When the call of the black crow goes still
When the call of the black crow goes still."


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Posted by:

Norbert

Judy all the best girl, come back soon!

Roz, about Townes van Zandt thanks. You' ve got a big mouth that's why the posts are gone ... but I know you' ve got a heart of gold as well ... that's why I love you. I can also understand that it takes some time to see the light ;-)


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Judy

Linda: When Judy is ready, roll a tv/computer or radio close, put on some Band music and PLAY IT LOUD.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Judy

Poor Judy has suffered a great deal recently. My thoughts and prayers go out to her and hopes for a good recovery.


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Posted by:

Friend0

BEG (M), maybe you have some extra acreage, for the Hall Of Fame.

By the way, Angelina's , or BEG (F)'s, method of naming, can get awful complicated. If I'm Hazel Eyed Guy, that is HEG, rather close to Heggie to not get confusing. So I'll settle for HEF, Hazel Eyed Friend0.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Thanks Linda

Hope she recovers soon


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Posted by:

Linda

Subject: Judy

I would like you to keep Judy in your thoughts and prayers. She recently suffered a heart attack and is quite ill. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Nothern Boy

Subject: Steve's Subject

Should've be " I Ain't Got No Home". I guess non-divergent thinkers miss these obvious Band connections. But I'm here for you Steve, when your fact-encumbered brain's not up to the task.


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Posted by:

rosalind

I guess if you consider the time it took for America (The Home of Rock and Roll Music!) to get it's hall, Canada's doin' okay. Ya'll can use ours all ya want! Just don't forget to put the toilet seat down and clean the whiskers out of the sink.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I didn't know that

Is that right about Canada? I guess it is...


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: The Band Is Still Homeless

The country that exports more music to the rest of the world per capita than any other nation is having a hard time finding a permanent home for it's Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. A Toronto developer had a plan to put up a home for the hall but it once again has fallen through.


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Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Union, ME

Subject: Happy Birthday!

John Winston Lennon "You shoulda been there..."


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: All For The Hall

Sounds like a mighty big show.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Kevin J

Thanks for the clip! Certainly young James Page from Epsom, Surrey conducted some biological and chemical research later in his life! I wonder what happened to the other blokes.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Googie Rene Combo

Any of you know much about this group? They did "Smokey Joe's La La" in 1965 and their tracks have been appearing on Ace's brilliant "Mod Jazz" series of CDs. Smokey Joe's La La is very similar to Cannonball Adderley's "Mercy Mercy Mercy" and the Cannonball era that influenced the Yonge Hawks on Young Street. Shit! This Canadian spelling is getting me confused.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Buddy Guy, who’s notched a fair share of GB mentions recently, also has a supporting role in “In the Electric Mist,” although it’s doubtful that the renowned bluesman will be playing one of Levon’s fellow Confederates.


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Posted by:

roz

What info Norbert? All my posts have been removed. They just vanish into thin air. That guy, that David Blain guy or that other guy, that David Copperfield guy ain't got nuthin' on this guy who wipes people off the face of the earth with one finger. geez


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Posted by:

David P.

Another film featuring Tommy Lee Jones & Levon, "In The Electric Mist", is set to be released. Based on the James Lee Burke novel "In The Electric Mist With Confederate Dead", Levon portrays Confederate General John Bell Hood.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Martin Guitars

175th anniversary charitable auction


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Not only that, but Tommy Lee's biggest success to date had him jumping repeatedly into a monster and fighting dirty surrounded by green slime. Just like the record industry, it seems!


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Jacques Brel

Today Jacques Brel died 30 years ago. Watch this great man sing about Amsterdam as only he could (English subtitles).

Bill, Roz, Joan, Jeff thanks for the info's.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Julie & Dlew - Page and Beck

The above link - which I hope works - is one that I thought was enjoyable for a number of reasons - not the least of which is the interview with a young Jimmy Page in which he says he wants to grow up to do biological research!


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.
Web: My link

A very nice hometown appreciation of the late Earl Palmer.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

You're welcome everyone for...can I say it? "Hard Times". Sorry Joan....She has my name but it's not me. I have a short "Bob" cut...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Eliza's Horoscope

And several degrees of separation later, Tommy Lee Jones would play a key role in Levon's film career.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

You are a gem lady! It is nice to put a face with the name Angelina. The jam session is terrific. A Dankette treasure. I really enjoyed the piece on Eliza's Horoscope. Thank you!


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Subject: New Jersey U.S.A.

That “The Making of ‘Eliza’s Horoscope’” piece BEG/A helpfully linked to has been talked about in previous GBs, but it’s always worth look. Bumbles is struck by the way that as early as 1969 discussions on matters as weighty as the Band’s participation in a film project were conducted, on the group’s part, solely by JR2. And the following priceless nugget of advice sounds like a lesson learned in one of Morris Levy’s master classes:

“And it made more sense of Robbie Robertson's advice to me before shooting began: that I get myself a bodyguard, not because anyone might physically attack me, but just to give off an air of menace so nobody would try and fool with my authority.”


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Hard Times

You can hear Richard doing a version of "Hard Times" on the "Whispering Pines: Live At The Getaway 1985" CD.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

The widely circulated bootleg “Happy, Happy Birthday Eric” included the version of “Hard Times” that BEG/A kindly linked to as well as a CD’s worth of other tracks from the same 1976 Shangri La session, including one with Levon on lead vocal.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Excellent link. Reminds me that after discovering The Band ( 1976 for me )going back to Dylan albums and having fun picking out the RR bits. So distinctive. Too bad he didn't do more studio work over the years or perhaps there is much I do not know about.


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Posted by:

dlew919

I like the Clapton version of 'Hard Times' on 'Journeyman'. Thanks as always, BEG! (The original, is of course, the absolute best). I wish Rick had done it - he would have nailed it with his voice.

Of course, Richard...


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Thanks to everyone for the help on how to attach a link. Hard Times - an appropriate choice to be sure. Always fun to have a peek into a session where even the truly great can sound like me and my crew sitting around a room - well sort of anyway.....


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Vinyl Siding

Thanks BEG Angelina. The original single version of Ray Charles' "Hard Times (No One Knows Better Than I)" b/w "I Wonder Who" was released by Atlantic 47 years ago this month. One of my favorite 45s, which I've been playing frequently lately in light of the current economic climate.


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Posted by:

Deb

Thanks for the link to "Hard Times", BEG!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

LIVE MUSIC IS BETTER. Rick Danko, Eric Clapton, Robbie Robertson, Billy Preston, Garth Hudson

Artist: Rick Danko Eric Clapton Robbie Robertson et al

Track: Hard Times (complete song....sing it Rick!)

"We're about people sitting around the kitchen table.....not the boardroom table." Jack Layton NDP


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Making of Eliza's Horoscope by Gordon Sheppard Montreal, April 2005


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Posted by:

Rod

Location: NZ

Subject: Robbie and Eric

Shame about the EC/RR project. Really though I wonder what Robbies contribution would have been. Claption is a better singer and these days is a much better guitar player (because he's still a working guitarist). I imagine Robbies big contribution would have been in the song writing field. Jan, thanks for opening the guest book and site up again.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Leopard Recording Studio News & Info

Norwegian Fiddler, Hallvard Bjørgum and Canadian Songwriter, Billie the Kid Visit Leopard Studio to record with Garth Hudson March 2008 "More really interesting projects have come to the studio to record with Garth Hudson. Norwegian treasure, Hallvard Bjørgum came in for a few days. Last time he recorded with Garth was 13 years ago in Oslo. He plays the traditional Norwegian fiddle where he is a major musical figure. With Hallvard was Ed Kaercher, who sang for a bit on tour with The Band and performed for many years with Rick Danko. Ed is contributing a song on Hallvard's upcoming album. It's great to work with reunited old friends."

Ed Kaercher, Garth Hudson & Hallvard Bjorgum Photo

rozzzz: :-D

Leopard Studio goes International! October 2007 "Fabrizio Poggi, Italian blues and gospel singer and harmonica player travels to Leopard Studio to record with Garth and Maud Hudson. Garth Hudson is a long-time inspiration to Fabrizio, a highlight being an album that Garth recorded with Paul Butterfield in 1975 in Woodstock, NY. Here's more about Fabrizio and his band Chicken Mambo."

Garth, Maud, Fabrizio, Angelina (not brown eyed girl) and chicken mambo photo.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Yom Kippur

Thank you BEG. Classy and considerate as always. To Landmark I return the good wishes and send them to anyone else observing Yom Kippur. An easy fast and a healthy and happy New Year. May this New Year bring blessings to all.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 21:51:26 CEST 2008 from (85.255.44.145)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Aha... the http:// lead-in for posting web pages here is a little troublesome, I see. So, it's now been removed. The folks at TinyUrl are our friends, indeed.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 21:48:08 CEST 2008 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Kevin J: This way usually works - just copy the YouTube (or whatever) address into the Web page space above, et voila. If it worked this time, it's not really a video, it's a bunch of photos of Jon and Lee and the Checkmates displayed as the a-side of their only 45 plays. Listen for the Robertsonian guitar towards then end - and of course the heavy organ throughout. Lead voice, guitar, bass and organ all wound up in Rhinoceros; drummer went with Crazy World of Arther Brown; second singer to working with Bruce Cockburn (management, co-writing, a couple of LP appearances.)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Joan and Deeeee: :-D Btw Deeee....I made a boo boo...Canadian John Roberts of CNN isn't from Wisconsin but from Charlie's state of Virginia.

"Yom Kippur is a quiet time for thinking and praying. Many Jews fast. On Yom Kippur, Jews remember relatives and friends who have died. They also think about how they treated others during the year. Were they kind? Did they keep the promises they made? Many people think of good things they can do in the new year. In the Yom Kippur service, people sing a special song about how to be a good person. It is the Kol Nidre. When the sun sets at the end of Yom Kippur, the High Holy Days are over. The the Jews share a meal to end their fast."

Thanksgiving is coming up for us Canadians. My class has initiated a Food Drive and we've organized a school community breakfast...I'm bringing the Belgian Waffles. My class will be reading a Give Thanks morning message/prayer before we eat. They're only in grade 1/2. We all dig each other. :-D


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Posted by:

Simon

Kevin - I think you just cut and paste the address into the Web Page box but with the added difference that the http bit is already there ... so just cut and paste the rest of the URL leaving off the first seven characters.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The problem with most links is the length of the reference. You can't attach a video, but you can attach a reference to direct people to the website (youtube) with a video. Go to tinyurl.com. Then you put in the long reference address and they'll produce a shorter one which you can paste in to the web page section on "Sign the Band Guestbook".

As http:// is already there on the web page link, make sure it doesn't appear twice. It worked for me.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: How to attach a video to a post?

Could someone explain to me how to attach a video to a post. For example, if one is at youtube and wants to attach that particular video to a post here. How is is done?


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Wishing all who are fasting an easy fast.


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Posted by:

jh

That's enough, thank you. Entries deleted.


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Posted by:

walt

BRIEN,you make a reasonable point & I guess I just don't like gossip,fighting,an inability to stress musical ideas & opinions in a positive & thoughtful manner,personal anger expressed at the musicians,& arrogance about the meaning of the songsl,again,under the masked rubric of pseudo-intellectualism, & most of all,I guess I'm biased when it comes to critics,whether the "official" journalist type or self appointed types.Usually they are not musicians & have never performed & certainly,they are not The Band. Thanks for your response,Brien,which is something the upper tier HS clique see no need to do. lol


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Posted by:

rosalind

somebody give that man an H. Upmann!

Robbie smokes them things, Did ya know that, Walt?


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Posted by:

DEE

Location: Wisconsin

Subject: BEG

Enjoyed the Shine Your Light Video. Had watched the movie but the dialog got in the way of the song. Thanks for ALL of the videos you post.


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Posted by:

abby

Location: KY

Subject: yes, it is what it is

But really for me it's more like a joyous banana split w a well-ripened banana, 3 scoops of 100% icre cream -- chocolate, vanilla and strawberry -- covered in chocolate syrup c whipped cream and a cherry on top -- maybe two! Skip the nuts


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Posted by:

walt

That's an easy but unknown conclusion,"you're the one with the problem". Funny thing is I'm a huge fan of The Band & have read this GB,through all its changes since it's been online and the problem I have is people who are nasty & out of line with one another displaying their ignorance publicly.Sure,there are well intended & seemingly decent folks who post here,but the so called regular,"leadership" types tend to be be arrogant,hs-clique like,& sadly,too often, Bumbles who has developed a delusional dislike of Levon Helm,crosses the line as he guesses what Levon is doing or thinking. And,Mr.Viney fancies himself an expert of sorts when reality suggests that like his friend Bumbles,he is guessing too,but under cover of a pseudo-intellectual tent. Some people simply can't see that sometimes a cigar is JUST a cigar.The Band's music is joy & does quite well with leaving well enough alone,leaving it the joyful music it is, & not endeavoring to make it more than it is,particularly when basing "more" on subjective assumptions. So,enjoy the songs,support the music if you love it & stay out of the need to make it more than a Joyous cigar(nice name for a run down bar lol).


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Posted by:

Kevin J

bob w: Thank you. Quite something. I guess I now know why Ronnie Wood called his band the New Barbarians. This website really is a treasure.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Walt - one of the major points of the GB is to discuss various scenarios based on little, no, circumstantial and real evidence. It is what makes us fans, it is what makes this place thrive and if we didn't do any of that (cause politics has now become taboo) this place would wither away cause as many of us know, the output of new material by the surviving members is hardly enough to sustain this place.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Moulty

Bob W thanks for the link. It made me curious to see the lyrics that moved so many teens, so here they are.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Walt - Hell boy, you sound like you're the one with the problem.

Kevin - It was me!


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Posted by:

walt

Peter--i would think that Dylan could care less what you think about his work or his choices in life.And,I'm certain you realize that no Band member could possibly read the nonsense you or any other fan(& yes,you are also a fan) post on this GB & give it any serious consideration. That you don't like Saved is not really a concern for Dylan & if you prefer to choose his faith he'd probably rather do that on his own. Get over yourselves folks since we're all a bunch of fans who tend to assume way too much with way little reality behind it.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Kevin, Jan's got it covered. Here's the link.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie, Eric and Moulty

RR/Clapton: A ltttle Allison Krause like inspiration would have helped a project like this. Find a singer to complinent some great playing - I for one wanted to hear the contrasting styles of Clapton and RR. What makes RR a GREAT producer ( don't believe me - just listen to Jerry Lee Lewis's version of "Twilight" from last year! )hurts him as a recording artist - way too fussy. Record it and release it for God's sake!!!

Met a young lady in a bar last night ( at introduction I thought she said her name was Roz - I was about to run - turns out it was something else ) and after talking for a few minutes about Jimi Hendrix and Leonard Cohen, The Band came up ( she wants to name her first child Danko )....anyway, she asked if I had ever heard the song Moulty......a song about a one armed drummer that the guys in The Band had played on in the mid 60's. Just when you think there is nothing left to learn about The Band.....


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Slowhand & Trillhand

The more I think about, there may be another reason for Slowhand & Trillhand putting their collaboration on the shelf. Maybe it's not just common ground music factor, but the distance between them geographically. Mr. Clapton, having just finnished several months of touring, probably wants to spend time with his wife & three young daughters.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: toughts on EC/RR

This is a repost of something I wrote for another column, but thought I would share my thoughts here: The thing for me about the now shelved Clapton-RR project is that unless it is an album full of Further On Up The Roads, I don't see any common musical ground between them. At least not in 2008 as opposed to 1968 or '78. If Robbie were inclined to create music that fit the style of The Band, which is where I see Clapton's interest in working with him, then he would have done so in the last 30 years. Clapton, on the other hand, has shown little or no desire to move in the direction Robbie has in the past two decades. If anything, Clapton has become more retro with his recent collaborative albums and reunion with Cream. Had Robbie therefore wanted to revisit his musical past, he could have just rang up Levon and Garth. What their reponse would have been is another subject altogether. But I definitely can see where the EC/RR collaboration became an artistic tug of war, and let's face it, EC is a much bigger name than RR these days, and that inequality may have played into things as well.


Entered at Wed Oct 8 16:20:52 CEST 2008 from powell-goldstein-llp.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.0.94)

Posted by:

David P.

Fans of the Staple Singers should check out 2005 album by Marty Stuart & his Fabulous Superlatives entitled "Soul's Chapel". Playing homage to the gospel influence of the Staple Singers, this fine CD includes two songs written by Roebuck "Pops" Staples, with Mavis Staples dueting on the classic "Move Along Train". It's beautifully recorded, complete with tremelo-drenched Telecasters. Band fans will note that Mr. Stuart recorded "The Weight" with the Staple Singers for the 1994 compilation "Rhythm Country & Blues", which also featured Allen Toussaint performing "Southern Nights" with Chet Atkins.


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Posted by:

the masculine dlew919

Subject: Ros

You're not the first to say that... the wife, the kids, heck, even my parents were either wrong, or I've gotta man up round here!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Hell, I thought DLew was a girl! Evidently not...

Now before the moderator of this website gets his shorts in a bind, Jeff told me long ago that I could refer to him as "Jewboy"!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Jewboy - Quit causin' trouble!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Phew! The only bit of Bob's religious preference i ever objected to was the born again Christian bit that produced Saved. I only put "swine" because it seemed less offensive that my two previous choices of word, both of which were based on well-known colloquial obscenities. It was someone else who suggested that he wanted a wife of 45 years at home cooking him bacon and eggs.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Dlew actually it is short , fat & bald these days. But we'll leave the anything that begins with that por word out of it.

Which does remind me. I wasn't going to comment on this, but when BEG(f), (f) to indicate feminine, imagined negatviity, it gave me reason to reflect on the lack of negatvivity in this GB. And I realized that I've only noticed three posts that were negative in tone. Of course, & possibly because a lot of the conversation was over my head, I mostly browsed or ignored the political/economical posts when they were here, so I'm not counting them. So if there was negatvitity in there I'm not aware.

One was Peter's Greedy Swine post.

Making a reference to Bob Dylan, a rather prominent and well known Jew as Greedy Swine, swine being the poster animal for non kosher food sources, and doing so during the Jewish High Holidays, well, I was rather taken aback at Peter's lack of sensitivity.

Now I happen to know that despite his prolonged daily exposure to herring during his youth Peter is not an anti semite. So I did not comment on it, because really, I'm thinking it was just an oversight, a coincidence in choice of words. Peter just ain't a prejudiced kind of person.

Porcine, has a swine reference involved in some of the defintions (bald, fat swine), so if we can just keep the Jew related conversation kosher till The High Holidays are over, I'm sure, Robbie , and BEG(f),and others, will rest easier too.

A personal note.

Peter, I forgive you, But I'm not sure Dylan, or The God of Abraham will. So, just to be safe, I'd stay off of Highway 61 for a while if I were you.


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Posted by:

Steve

Sorry, I forgot your question BEG, but you can call me BEG as well, or Blue Eyed Guy if you prefer.


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Posted by:

Steve

Roger, the comment that said it all for me was J2Rs' claim that he was a one man band. Saying that in an interview could be excused as a momentary lapse of judgment but putting a statement like that in a song means it's not an off the cuff comment, you're literally putting it on the record.


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Posted by:

Roger

Subject: Steve - JR2

Steve - which Robbie comment has had such an effect on you? I've often been struck by his praise for the contribution of others but could have missed something.


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Posted by:

the porcine dlew919

Subject: Fat?

Jeff0 - fat? Nope, I've seen the pictures - muscular, and big in the 'Johnny Cash was a big man' maybe, but no bodily swipes here!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Dlew, did you just call me fat? I doubt I'm taller than you. I might have been 7 , 8 years ago, but no way anymore. So you must have called me fat. Steve might be taller than you, but if he's not, and you called him fat too, now you have to stay out of Brooklyn & Bulwer.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Thanks Joan. Bahhh! I knew that the Robertson/Clapton collaboration would stall. It did before and let's face it. Those two are simply too different when it comes to style. That being said, I would love to see Robbie work with Jeff Beck. Wouldn't happen though Jeff is a pain to work with...or so I've heard. They would compliment each other's style. Robbie should just record with Daniel Lanois again.


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Posted by:

rosalind

I dug Pops as that vooDoo man in that David Byrne movie from way back! That was a good movie

Nice Videos, Brown eyes!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Steve, starting around 1960 would have had to be have been the time. Pops coulda had a major influence, if the boys came under his wing early enough. but, then the rock and roll never woulda developed the same in em.

Bumbles, Pops & Moms, are frequently used as assigantions of affection & /or respect. My ex was from Trinidad. From day one she called my mom Moms, and almost always addressed any older female woman she met in less than formal situations the same, Moms. I've noticed it across the board in Caribean families and in many American black families. Mom & Pops are common, I use them all the time, black, white, yellow, it don't matter. How you say it does matter.

Angie, hazel.



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ok last one and then I have to work, work, work! Thank you Curtis Mayfield for writing and The Staple Singers for singing the sexiest, steamiest..... Let's Do It Again! For those of you who check out my links I did supply this song for downloading. Robbiesonians do share! ;-D

dlew919: :-D


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Nick Reynolds - the Kingston Trio

An obituary of this folk pioneer...


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

So that was David Sanborn that introduced Pops Staples....I thought so.

Although Mavis always gives Aretha the Queen of Soul title....It's always been Mavis for me. Just as in hockey it's always been Gretzkey.....but for me it's always been Bobby Orr or Michelle Lemieux.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: BEG

Probably the only bigger fans of you than me are Friend0 and STeve ... I don't say it enough, but I love all the posts you put in. (And as you point out, they are not all pro-Robbie...) I'm a big fan of Friend0, and Steve, as well! (And just about everyone else here, as well - never forgetting Kevin J!)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Review/Pop; 77-Year-Old Bluesman And a Battered Guitar By JON PARELES Published: June 8, 1992

The sound of that guitar, a bare minimum of notes twanged through an amplifier's tremolo setting, has been an influence on J. Robbie Robertson of the Band and on Ry Cooder.

Three notes from Pops Staples's guitar had more to say than a thousand from Mr. Hammond.

When I saw The Staple Singers with Pops....I don't recall them performing TW but I'll never forget the beginning guitar licks to ITYT.....All three shows that I've seen Mavis were free too. Sometimes I'm a very lucky brown eyed girl. I loooooove Mavis Staples! I dig Comrade Stevon Farm and Friendo Jeffo too! I just don't see eye to eye with them. What colour are your eyes anyway? ;-D


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Posted by:

Deb

Bumbles, that's a reasonable observation. I can offer this on the subject for what it's worth, though. In 1998, Roebuck Staples received a lifetime achievement in the arts award from the governor of Mississippi. At the ceremony, I was fortunate enough to be introduced to him, Mavis, Pervis, Cleotha and Yvonne Staples. When I shook his hand and said "It's an honor to meet you, Mr. Staples," the response was a sweet smile and "You can call me Pops."


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

You have to admit, STEVE, that as a nickname for Mr. Staples “Pop[s]” has an unfortunate Uncle Ben-like aspect.


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Posted by:

Steve

David I heard an interview about a year ago with Mavis, maybe at the time of the release of her most recent album, and she mentioned the St.Bob romance.

Jeff I'm sticking with the opinion, Pops would have been just the dad the Band needed. Maybe starting back in 60 would have been a little better though.

BUMBLES, thanks for Bob's take on the use of Pops, always important to get Bob's opinion on matters. Could you give us what Mr Staples thought of young white rock fans calling him Pops? Was it something he thought was patronizing or disrespectful?


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Pops-in-law?

The Staple Singers covered Dylan's "Blowin' In The Wind" and "Masters Of War" in the early '60s, when they were on the Riverside label. Recently Mavis Staples has also revealed that she & Dylan had a romantic relationship back then.


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Posted by:

Friend0

The funny thing is, noone has said anything negative about Robbie. Angie, you are just imagining it.

Yes, steve, Pops might have, a very big might have, been a stabilizing force once upon a time. Late 60s woulda been the time,yes. But even so, I doubt he would have been effective. The course already been set, the times, The Hawk, etc etc.Maybe, but we'll never know.

Now Angie, I could see if I said something like Robbie would have been more successful in the 80s if he joined Huey Lewis & The News rather than pursuing a solo career. Really, Huey's songwriting could have used a little something extra, and their guitarist, well, even in the 80s, Robbie was better. I could something like that upsetting you, but I never said that. And it's still not negative. :-)

Dlew, I just had business with a photographer originally from Australia. He talked rather funny. I asked him the important question. And of course, he prefers film, but has to work in digital. Not a old guy, 30s, went to film school where most everything he learned was film, etc. But, in the market he has to work in digital cause everyone wants speed. Film is a craft and slower process he says. Says that digital is missing everything, and then you have to work to put those things back in.

I was also happy to hear that he dislikes high def tv. I can't stand it. I still don't understand why the masses think that technological advances have to be better. And just accept that and buy it.


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Posted by:

Adam

Subject: "Across the Great Divide" box set

does anyone know where I can buy tracks from the older box set online? I'm looking for the St. Louis 1970 "Slippin' & Slidin'" that appears on it. Can anyone send it to me?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jonny Holiday

BEG amidst the Robbie videos was a wonderful Ed Sullivan, Jonny Holiday one. The chimps were fabulous! Thanks. You started my day with a good laugh.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Way, way back, in what may have been his first-ever “Rolling Stone” interview, Bob Dylan took issue with the patronizing use of “Pop” or ”Pops” by young white rock fans to refer to Roebuck Staples.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Tracy

Nice to see you here. It's been a while.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Comrade Stevon Farm: You of all people should know that the personal is political. I have posted myself negative press about Robbie so.......Anyway, didn't ya see my ;-D? Didn't ya, didn't ya? :-D


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Posted by:

Steve

BEG, why do you take Jeff and I having a little fun with the old codger so personally?

J2Rs' line that will live in infamy, the one that casts him as the one and only contributor of note to The Band has made him a hard pill to swallow ever since I first heard it. Having such a distorted view of his personal contribution to The Band and by extension the contributions of the others has always colored whatever he says about their music, for me. In spite of that I can still appreciate what he did contribute to the music and to whatever success they had. He was certainly a large contributor, no one can deny that. I would love to hear his response to a question about that statement.

If Pops Staples had been involved, especially in the late 60's I think his presence might have had a positive influence on the direction The Band members headed in. Maybe they needed a Pop. It certainly wouldn't have hurt.

That sort of direction coming from a Pops figure might have been more influential than coming from a Band brother./n Unfortunately we'll never know. But I think it had potential .


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Posted by:

David P.

The Staple Singers did branch out into secular music, but, for the most part, chose songs with a positive message. In 1967, while signed to Epic, they covered the Stephen Stills / Buffalo Springfied hit "For What It's Worth". The following year, they began recording for Stax and covered "The Weight". Adopting a more R&B funk influenced sound, they recorded with Booker T. & The MGs in Memphis and later went down to Muscle Shoals, where they cut two big hits, "Respect Yourself" and "I'll Take You There".


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Posted by:

rosalind

Thank you David!


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Posted by:

David P.

Rosalind: I believe that song Odetta sang was "900 Miles". Aiyana Elliott's documentary is fascinating, yet often brutally honest, in capturing the essence of her father.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Geez, I didn't know Mavis was a slut!

And what about my question asking whether or not Barney Frank has teeth! Talk about sluts! Do ya think he had them removed on purpose? Maybe they rotted out of his head at some point in his life, or maybe they were knocked out by gay bashing bullies at school when he was young. This is an important question and one that's been buggin' me for a long time.

And what about that Odetta song I asked about! Don't you people know anything?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Gee , am I glad I looked one more time before heading in to Manhattan for a bit. Angie, this thing with Mavis mentioning Robbie's name first. It's possible she just has a thing for Jewish men, after Dylan and all. Hopefully that cleared that up for you.

I agree with Pat. Pops wouldn't put up with the extracurriculars. Two chances, a snowball's chance in hell that Pops woulda straightened them out, noone else could'a done it. Other possibility, the union was entertained, as it was a natural. But because of the obvious difficulties to come, it never got past much more than few mentions and wishes.

Need I remind you Angie, we're in the playoffs of playing a very popular game here. Fantasy Band. That is it. No vendetta. As I've said many times, I respect a lot of Robbie's work and contributions to music. There's a lot I disagree with & don't respect, but I do think that you read far too much into my posts. I'm free to voice my opinion. You are free to color it any way you want. Words don't make things so.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

All the Robbie videos that were posted in Little Pink previously.

I agree with Pat B....Pops wouldn't have been around for all the decadent fun and not always showing up on time for rehearsals.

The two times I've seen Mavis Staples sing "The Weight"....She mentions Robbie's name first. So there Jeff from Sheepshead, Brooklyn! ;-D Is it asking too much to applaud Garth, Rick, Richard and Levon without saying something negative about Robbie? As a ROBBIESONIAN how many times have I contributed Band links on ALL Band members and yet you continue to have this vendetta against Robbie....as does your partner.....Comrade Stevon Farm. As Don Henley would sing, "Get Over It!" Buds can disagree, right?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Concert Draw? My Gawd Peter, Steve & were talking about musicians collaborating & inspiring each other to make great music, maybe even write great songs.

Why does someone always have to count the beans before the notes stop resonating, or the ink dries on a lyric cheet or chord chart?

Something tells me that Pops woulda handled the suits & filed the copyrights or managed the people filing the copyrights, and done it fair & square.

Concert Draw? Bigger concert draw? Chances are yes, or as big. Not that it matters. Neither act was worried about filling arenas. But They sure woulda pulled people, and Van The Man woulda been there right quick too, as he sure as hell woulda wanted to join that choir. He'd put a few more asses in seats too.

"Gone"....till later today. I typed that in memory of Westocaster.


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Posted by:

joe j

I've been on a Dylan binge for some time now; have listened to and ordered 'Telltale Signs'; can't get enough. Even so and even though I write off all great music as a 'meals and entertainment' expense, I can't ever see myself springing for that third CD.

'Telltale Signs' confirms for me that though Dylan's recordings between 'Street Legal' and 'Good As I Been' were hit and miss affairs, the problems were in the performance and production. The man never lost his ability to write a great song.

The following is a bizarre Circus magazine review of 'Cahoots' from 72.

What can you say about The Band except that they release too few albums? The Band albums seem to follow a strange pattern: their first, Music From Big Pink, was only mediocre; their second, The Band, was brilliant. Stagefright was disappointing, and their new one, Cahoots, brilliant again. Judging from this pattern, their next one should be inferior.

Cahoots has taken The Band a long time to record, and it shows. Each and every selection on the album is perfect in every respect. Gentle, soothing Band music -- from beginning to end. Don't make the mistake of thinking that their music is by any means simple. The Band use some of the most intricate and most effective chord patterns imaginable. Their changes are so strong (yet subtle) that they can actually be felt, even by those who know very little of musical techniques.

An excellent example of these changes occurs in "Where Do We Go From Here," possibly the strongest cut on the LP -- that is if one could actually choose the strongest cut! More powerful chord changes flow by in "The Moon Struck One" between the verses and the bridge, listen carefully and you'll be able to not only hear them, but nearly touch them as well.

As an extra added attraction, Warner Brothers recording artist Van Morrison appears on "4% Pantomime," a tune he co-wrote with The Band's Robbie Robertson. The vocal interplay on that selection must be heard to be believed. There has always been a similarity in vocal styles between The Band and Van Morrison, and "Pantomime" confirms that connection.

The only track that was disappointing to me was "Shootout In Chinatown," and it too is good, but doesn't appear to be as strong as the others musically or lyrically.

Those who have only been listening to The Band's music and not to their lyrics -- take heed. You're missing an awful lot if you disregard them. They too are brilliant. Sometimes a bit abstract, but brilliant nonetheless.

Cahoots is a carefully planned excursion through the minds and hearts of America's finest group. And if you still have any doubts as to whether they are, in fact, America's finest -- just listen to the album. It speaks for itself!

- Circus, 1/72.

Re upcoming election: I've agreed to act as deputy returning officer at my local polling station. Should be an interesting experience: seeing the process from the inside. Stay tuned and I'll do a report.

Your far eastern correspondent.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Take The Load Off Fannie

Does Barney Frank have teeth? I betcha he had'em pulled for Herb!You know, the executive for Fannie Mae that Barn had that ten year romance with.


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Posted by:

Peter V

The Price of Love is that elusive "bonus track" ten minutes after the end of the Teddy Thompson CD. I finally found it.

The Staples thing … I've watched that and gone immediately to Live Rhymin' which was Paul Simon with the Jesse Dixon Singers. As to a concert draw, would "The Staples / Band" have been any much greater in 1977 than The Staples or The Band seperately. Neither were stadium fillers at that point (not that they should be_).


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Posted by:

Tracy

Web: My link

Subject: Levon to appear on "The Deep End" Early 2009

My dear sweet bud with a beehive, Ms. Christine Ohlman with Rebel Montez will be releasing her new CD "The Deep End" early next year. The guests are going to be great too! Featured with her will be Ian Hunter (Mott The Hoople), Dion, Levon Helm, and Marshall Crenshaw. She already told me that Ian was a hoot. He contributes vocals on the Everly Brothers cover of "Price Of Love." The songs are fantastic as she's played them during her live shows. You can catch Christine around New York and Connecticut. Be sure to check out her slide show on the MySpace page. There is a picture or two of Levon.


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Posted by:

Pat B

jeff, your heart is in the right place, but Pops wouldn't have put up with the extracurriculars for five seconds.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: NB's Response To SNN Question Re: Proposed Aussie Art Tax

Steve of Steve News Network:

Having seen a lot of "contemporary" art in my day, I'd say it's actually the artist who should have to pay the buyer the 5% tax to take his crap art off his hands. There should also be a similar tax on all art that is deemed to be "Avant-Garde". I'd call it the "Avant-Garbage Tax". The artist should have to pay this tax to have his contemptible contemporary work hauled off to wherever they deposit similar toxic items like used paint, batteries, medical waste, etc.

Now speaking as someone who's sold his own art, I'd also like to point out that the only reason I'm not famous yet is that I simply haven't been dead long enough. However, artists who fake their own death more than once in the hope of driving up the price of their art work, well in my books they simply have no integrity whatsoever. So I'm all for taxing artists who fake their own death two or more times.

In short, do I think the screwed-up political world can fix the art business world, which from my experience is even more screwed-up than the music business world ? Have you ever heard of the film "Fat Chance" ? No ? Well, it's about this overweight guy from the Canadian North who's too lazy to diet away ten or so pounds so instead he decides he'll just lose the weight by becoming Canada's first living human brain donor so he goes to his doctor and....


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Question

Ya'll seen that Ramblin' Jack Elliot documentary made by his daughter? Can someone please tell me the name of the song Odetta was singin'! It was only a snippit but man, what a marvelous sound!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Just watched The Weight again. Of course, I posted incompletely before, we were hearing Rick's harmonies all along, not just his bass. There is something about the way that the cinematography centers around closeups that tends to alter a little or alot of the perception of the performances, visual as well as audial (aural, whichever). Or makes correct or complete perception more difficult. I'd have much preferred if the focus was on wider shots with fewer close ups, as opposed to the vice versa way it was done. In this case we'd have seen Rick the entire time.

This is a lot of my point. As close as the roots of much of The Band's musics were to what The Staples were about, that is also how far away The Band was in many other ways, visual for example. Yet, they were a perfect compliment to each other. Even visually. The Staples roots were that deep in all The Band members. Yet, you'd never know it by looking at them, watching them. With Levon you could sense it visually, but not the rest of em. Yet, they were perfect and beautiful together.

All of which makes me say We Got Gawd Damn Cheated. The right move would've been for The Band to colectively say Holy Moses. That was one helluva performance we just did with The Staples. Let's go out on the road with The Staples. Of course, there was a movie for Robbie to finish. But dare I say that the other 4 guys missed the boat. Steve, where were you when they needed you? The move for Rick, Levon, Garth and Richard would've been to join The Staples. And they coulda called it The Staples Band. Not a Gawd Damn thing Robbie coulda done about that one. And they'd a taken the world by storm, one more time.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve, Friend0, Dylan

Steve: admirable rundown of art shenanigans in Australia. While I agree in principle with the idea, I can see issues - suddenly Australian art is worth 5% more, so the prices will drop...

Of course, everyone's an expert in Australia...

Jeff0 - couldn't agree more with Rick and the Staples... It's my favourite version of the Weight (with a preference to the version that appears in the movie, as opposed to the soundtrack)

I agree with you, Ros. I think Dylan spends his time trying to get away from the obsessive fans, but, as Jeff says, likes to play... I loved dylan's chronicles. It's partly an attempt to distance himself, I think, from the excesses of his particular fame...


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Posted by:

Friend0

Steve, I just watched The Band & the Staples doing The Weight. I have to concurr with your The Staples Band.

While the performance is wonderful, gorgeous, appropriate., moving, and chilling (in a good way), one moment in particular reminds us that as much as the two groups of performers have in common, they also were very different. And that is when Rick burst into his verse.

Yes & No. Cause while Rick was a bundle of energy, he also sang from deep inside his soul.We aleady were hearing his bass playing, then his vocal came to match the energy level and intensity level of his bass. I'm too tired to do a great job at describing all this, but in a nutshell,as intense as it was before Rick's verse , it was laid back. levon was deep, but laid back. So was the Staples sister. So was Pop. Then along came Rick. But while Rick was different, he was not inappropriate to the performance. But it sure did change the level.Would've happened anyway, but boom.

I was with Garth and Maud when Mavis and her sister came over to say hello in Nashville. There clearly is a great affinity there.

The pairing I'd like to see is Garth& Mavis. And Maud. Sure as hell wouldn't hurt to have Levon and Amy in on it too.



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Posted by:

Bill M

If my theory is correct, and Rollie's goal is to post an I-was-there note on behalf of each TLW attendee, then he must be getting pretty close by now, eh.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Since the Robbie radio link keeps changing....Here's Buzzz Thompson instead.

JTull Fan: :-D I couldn't find your post in any of the three guest books at the time so I did my own huntin'.

Hi back Rollie! We had such fun times in the chatroom back in the day, didn't we? Did you know that I saw Robbie three times?! lol Did this guest book know that Rollie had a tight connection with one of the Band members? Oh yeah!

I'm sure digging poster Carlos Roberto G. da Cruz from hot, hot, hot Brazil!

I paid import prices for Rick's first solo and Levon's "American Son". I found a site where you can download all of them now. Don't worry Jan I won't share this time. I have all the Band solo recordings up until Levon had his rambles. I recently bought "Dirt Farmer" because I really like a few songs and the recording will always be a reminder that I somehow need to find a way to hear him live!

This weekend I saw "Amal" and Patti Smith: Dream Of Life". Both films will embrace you with life and wonderment.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Friend0 is correct - i mis-stated - I believe then, the tier is on volume or some such setup, but I can't be sure.., But Amazon can and will take a chunk but hey, it's their business, their market, that's what it's about..,


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Amazon/\Joan

Amazon does not set the price. The seller sets the price. Amazon determines how much they charge the seller. They do request, but do not require, that you not charge more for your product on Amazon than you do elsewhere.

Amazon can offer a discount on your product without your permission. They did once drop the price on one of my discs. I bitched. Their response was that they can offer sales anytime they want to. However, the very same day they did restore the price of my product back to the price I had originally set.

The selling program I am in, if you change the price of your cd, Amazon will not change it again for 6 months. Also, there are methods of promoting your cd by offering a discount on it when you team it up with another cd. "Buy Together" or some such program. I don't recall how they do it, but I think there was some kind of additional cost to the seller. It was more complicated to do than my grey matter could deal with. Plus there were enough other cds tying to mine with that program that I had plenty of cost free "Buy Together" coverage that way anyhow. So I never bothered with it.

Joan, anytime you or anyone wants to see how cds are made, Discmakers in Pennsuaken , New Jersey will gladly give you the tour. I think.I got the tour back in 2002, cause I was manufacturing. But I would imagine most factories would give most interested parties a tour. There is a cd factory in Long Island. I forget the name of it, but Wings was in the name. I'm not kidding. If you like, I can find it for you. There also is or was one in Woodside or Sunnyside, Queens. Europadisc.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Landmark: Delayed response, but yes, Mainline's "Get Down To" is still a great record. Has a vibe all its own.

Norbert: If you like Townes' music, especially the one that Willie 'n' Bob do, you might check around on YouTube for "Sonny's Dream" - especially by the writer, Ron Hynes. Or "Midnight Highway" by David Wiffen.

BEG: Oddly enough, I met the four guys in the Road Hammers just two weeks ago, and Bill Culp wasn't one of them (though he may have been at one time, for all I know). The Shakers, who are mentioned on the site, were originally a duo - Dave Rave and Rick Andrews. Daniel Lanois did their great first 45 ('79?), "Out The Door". Keyboardist Keith Lindsay, also pictured, is worth trying to catch, likely providing magical backing for Harrison Kennedy's gigs. (He's the guy from the Chairmen of the Board who has recently reemerged singing his own bluesy material.)


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: the Compact Disc

Perhaps more than you would like to know about the CD. I'm generally more interested in what is ON the CD, but I thought this was interesting.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

A friend of mine deals/sells with Amazon. They (according to her info) tier their prices depending on volume. With her, since she is a low seller according to them. They get 50% of the sale. Now how they operate on a scale of Dylan is beyond me but they do all the work and I'm sure that is nice simplicity in distribution for Mr. Bob.


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Posted by:

David P.

Maybe someone at Amazon has been reading the GB. Earlier today they had the deluxe edition of "Tell Tale Signs" listed at $139.98 and now this afternoon they've lowered the price to $99.99. Still too much of a dent for my billfold.

Levon guested on Los Lobos' fine 1990 album "The Neighborhood". He sang harmony & played mandolin on "Emily" and shared lead vocals on the moving "Little John of God". The latter song is available on YouTube for those who haven't heard it.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Regarding Rick and Acoustic guitar, I agree with what Carol has written. With one addition to the general public conception of Rick's acoustic playing . Rick could play the acoustic guitar as clean and as pretty as anyone ever has. When he wanted to. Rick's style wouldn't alter much, he still played a lot of bass and a lot of melody. The song was always very evident in his playing. But, when the spirit moved Rick to play clean, he was as clean a acoustic player as anyone. The staccato disappeared, the abruptness disappeared.

That last show Rick did with Butterfield at the Lone Star was one of those shows. They were both clean as a whistle physically, vocally,musically. Crystal clean, crystal clear. On time the whole time, and Rick's acoustic work was gorgeous.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Hey David,
I'm not certain, but I may go to that show. I don't recall ever seeing Los Lobos, or any of their members. So it will be a first. If Buddy gives a great performance on a Hendrix song, that would be a treat. Seeing Mitch Mitchell and Bobby Cox, if they get to team up with Guy , Sumlin, Hidalgo & Rosas, that would be cool. I'm pretty sure I can live without seeing the young slingers, Lang, Shepherd & Nanji. I've heard em all, don't feel em.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Looks like Napster just reinvented itself right here in the GB.

I'm not undertsanding why anyone may think Dylan himself is responsible for the high price of the collection. I have no clue, but one thing that may add to the expense is the cost of licensing pictures which are not owned by the label. Just a wild guess and I don't really care one way or the other.


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Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Union, ME

Subject: Dylan

Just received the Dylan Tell Tale Signs. Thinking all three discs are good to great after the first listen. The booklet is lame, the deluxe way overpriced, but it was a birthday gift. Happy to share. fitzncole at roadrunner dot com.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Talkin' Dylan Sub-Prime Blues

Hard core Dylan fans have been very vocal in protesting the high cost of the deluxe edition of "Tell Tale Signs" on many internet sites. The question is, over time, will we see a sub-prime price, or will it command even more in the online marketplace?


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Posted by:

rosalind

I think ol' Bob's probably sick of fans! He'd probably give up every cheer he ever heard to be able to eat bacon and eggs cooked by a regular wife of forty-five or so years.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Rick playing acoustic

This is a link to Carol's Rick Blog where she discusses his style of playing acoustic.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I might stump up £20 extra for a 150 page (i.e. quite short) book, but it's actually an extra £76. Pounds, not dollars. Multiply by 1.8. You could cost the book at £25 maximum with very high quality paper and reproduction, unless it's bound in baby seal skin or whatever. £76 extra is a real F**K you to hard core fans.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Hendrix

Jeff: As I recall, Los Lobos (featuring David Hidalgo & Cesar Rosas) did a great cover of "Are You Experienced?", which was included on the "Searching For Hendrix" CD soundtrack a few years back.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Maybe Bob ain't got no life. He has alot of kids tho and those kids have had plenty of kids and maybe he's building a great big nest egg to finance his whole family. Maybe he feels a little contempt for the audience also and thinks, You worshippin' bastards are stupid enough to buy it, then go ahead and buy it and I'll make sure ya pay for it too. Ya can't expect an almost seventy year old man to still do things with the gusto he done them forty years ago with. Maybe the Stones do but the Stones are idiots! Dylan thinks. Maybe that's his problem. He thinks too much! that's why he's touring all the time cause there ain't nuthin' else to do. Yeah sit around the house eating salad and watching The View on Tv.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: SNN Looking For A Comment

NB, as the only self declared collector of contemporary art in this here GB would you like to comment on the 5% proposed tax on contemporary Australian art. The proposed tax law is the political child of Australia's minister of Heritage and Arts, former Mid Night Oil front man, Peter Garret. The tax would be applied each time a work of contemporary art is sold or resold with the money going to the artist or his or her estate til 70 years after the artist's death. It's an effort to protect artists, many whom are aboriginals who end up selling their art for only a small fraction of their future value because they live in poverty and need cash right away. Artists somethings get only hundreds of dollars for pieces that later resell for literally millions. What say you?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Guy & Sumlin play Hendrix

David, thanks for being the voice of impartiality.

For Hendrix fans

.Celebrate the Legacy and Music of Jimi Hendrix

EXPERIENCE HENDRIX

featuring

Mitch Mitchell, Buddy Cox, Buddy Guy, Jonny Lang,Kenny Wayne Shepherd,

Eric Johnson, Brad Whitford,David Hidalgo, Cesar Rosas,Hubert Sumlin,

Chris Layton,Eric Gales, Mato Nanji

Two New York Appearances

October 21 at 8:00 pm

Manhattan Center's Hammerstein Ballroom 311 West 34th St

October 22 at 8:00 pm

United Palace

4140 Broadway


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Posted by:

David P.

That deluxe edition of "Tell Tale Signs" is indeed extremely pricey, but the added cost factor is based on more than just that bonus disc. Also included is a 150 page hardcover book of photos of cover sleeves used for various Dylan singles released throughout his career and a bonus vinyl 7" single of "Dreaming of You" b/w "Ring Them Bells".


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Making the second part of the quote more readable via \b

Here is another quote, regarding Dylan.

MF: [Chuckles] For the first time ever Fleetwood Mac is going out on the road without an album. Literally, this is the first time we've ever done it and it was a conscious thing because in truth we weren't sure when we were going to do this, and everyone was doing...Lindsey's [Buckingham] out on the road now. The second part of his album, and Stevie's [Nicks] finished what she's doing. So, it's all a bit like who's doing what and where and how, but we are doing this and in truth, I think it's going to be a lot of fun because it's really something that it's for our audience that when we make an album, you can, well imagine we're damn well going to play some of it. So we go through that slightly self-serving musician creative pay tribute to yourself thing and we don't have that now. We're just going to go out and play music that we know and hope that we know the people love and are emotionally connected to and instead of having 40 minutes of stuff they don't know, 'cause they've never heard the album, which we're always going to do that if we go out with an album. So, I'm actually looking forward to it. I hope it will come true, at some point, 18 months, a couple of years from now, we will go out with a new album and we're looking forward to doing that. We're talking about doing that and I hope that happens, but this is about celebrating Fleetwood Mac as is inadvertently what I'm doing in Europe with the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band. It's for sure partially a celebration of 40 years of music and this is the music that started this band out, you know.

BW: Well, after 40 years you ought to be able to do what you damn well please.

MF: Well, that's true. I've been to a few Bob Dylan concerts and I happened to just adore his work and da da da da da. And sometimes there's no doubt he's not even singing the melody, and I'm going like, "No, you don't understand." It's exactly what you just said. He can do what the hell he bloody well likes, you know?"


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: He can do what the hell he bloody well likes, you know?

Maybe Dylan is greedy. Maybe not. I doubt his constant touring is motivated by greed. Remember, the road is a goddamn impossible way of life, not worth any amount of money if you can afford to stay in Southern California. Or anywhere you want to, like his castle in Scotland.

If we are taking wild guesses here, it's likely that it is what he loves to do, and he's not gotten performing and making music out of his system. That might be a hard concept for some to understand, but then again, not for others. There are people who would love to spend almost all their working time performing, others who would like to spend it in the studio, otrhers who would like t spend it writing and recording songs. Then there are others who would like to spend their working hours doing other things , the list of course is endless. There are people who do get to enjoy many aspects of their work.Then there are people who only see work as something they do to pay their bills. And their interests are in other areas. I am not saying anyone here criticizing Dylan falls in those categories. I absolutely know Steve enjoys his work and has made his income less important than what he does which does impact his quality of life positively. And Peter certainly does seem to be rather content with his position as well./n There are many issues to consider re Dylan's constant touring and seat vs standing. And whether or not anyone should even be thinking he is greedy.And we are not privy to the info required in understanding them. Dylan is a business. Stop the wheel, a lot of people get effected. He may be mindful of that too. For all we know, Dylan may very well prefer to go out in a few vans, or a plane, and play small clubs or small venues. Just the practicality and logistics won't work at tis stage. His celebrity is too big to get away with it for more than show or two. A huge force of people will still be required. And there would be miles of cars of mediaand followers on his tail. But we also have no insight into what Dylan is thinking. Maybe decades from now, someone close to him will write about it.

Economics of touring may require more seats get sold. Maybe it's got more to do with the venues needs, and Dylan's operational expense needs, than greed. I doubt anyone would expect Dylan to tour at a loss for any reason.

And while I would expect Dylan earns a enormous income, noone knows whether or not he gives heavily to various charities. He may, he may not.

Pertinent to all this, is Mick Fleetwood.

Fleetwood is touring with his Mick Fleetwood Blues Band. Rick Vito on guitar, two guys from Hawaii (Mick and now Rick;s home base) on keys a bass. They are doing Eurpoe, an dtehn The Sates. They have a live record out, or about to come out. Recorded in St Louis, Missouri. I wasn't in town at the time.

There is a E zine, titled Blueswax. The last two editions carry interviews with Fleetwood. Here is a quote about the blues band and touring. "Fleetwood Mac doesn't work that much. So, it's a perfect foil for me and it keeps you on your toes. It's not a question of putting 150 people together before you can even think about working or whatever. We just go out and do it, and that's how this whole playing ethic, and it is about revisiting what I used to do and there aren't charter jets and there aren't this. It's like, get in the bus, do your gig, if the roadie's got a stomachache you'd better help and set the drum kit up. You know?"

Here is another quote, regarding Dylan. MF: [Chuckles] For the first time ever Fleetwood Mac is going out on the road without an album. Literally, this is the first time we've ever done it and it was a conscious thing because in truth we weren't sure when we were going to do this, and everyone was doing...Lindsey's [Buckingham] out on the road now. The second part of his album, and Stevie's [Nicks] finished what she's doing. So, it's all a bit like who's doing what and where and how, but we are doing this and in truth, I think it's going to be a lot of fun because it's really something that it's for our audience that when we make an album, you can, well imagine we're damn well going to play some of it. So we go through that slightly self-serving musician creative pay tribute to yourself thing and we don't have that now. We're just going to go out and play music that we know and hope that we know the people love and are emotionally connected to and instead of having 40 minutes of stuff they don't know, 'cause they've never heard the album, which we're always going to do that if we go out with an album. So, I'm actually looking forward to it. I hope it will come true, at some point, 18 months, a couple of years from now, we will go out with a new album and we're looking forward to doing that. We're talking about doing that and I hope that happens, but this is about celebrating Fleetwood Mac as is inadvertently what I'm doing in Europe with the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band. It's for sure partially a celebration of 40 years of music and this is the music that started this band out, you know. BW: Well, after 40 years you ought to be able to do what you damn well please. MF: Well, that's true. I've been to a few Bob Dylan concerts and I happened to just adore his work and da da da da da. And sometimes there's no doubt he's not even singing the melody, and I'm going like, "No, you don't understand." It's exactly what you just said. He can do what the hell he bloody well likes, you know?"



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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Dylan Volume 8

Peter, I saw that price on Dylans website over the summer, and when I looked over the tracklist, just about everything of interest to me is on that dmaned disc 3! If ever there was a need for the illegal Napster it is now! The live tracks are from the Wolftrap show back in '97 in Northern VA. I was there and it was a fantastic show, and was hoping for some of the tracks on this set, but again, they are on disc 3 and not worth $65.00 for me.


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Posted by:

roz

Anybody ever heard of Jesco White? I figger nobody here's gunna speak at me so I writ stuff down wrong to make sure my posts weren't invisible. I met his folks once. It was like "goin home". In fact, it was goin' home.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Complete songs by Robbie Robertson.....including "The Sound Is Fading" and the very tasteful "Unbound".


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Hicks, Sticks & Pricks

"Way down in West Virginia
There's some people who are one of a kind
They don't need nuthin' from nobody
Cause they're already doin' fine!
They got Hazel Adkin's punchin' and Mamie raisin' hell
And the legend of D. Ray White
Will never die like a rebel yell

And old Jes goes dancin' in his Daddy's shoes
Yeah, and Ol' Hazel's still punchin' out them Boom-towny blues
And old Mamie, you know that she's spent some time in jail
And the legend of D. Ray White
Will never die like that rebel yell

Birdie Mae White, she's the strongest woman I ever met in my life
She raised over twenty-four of her own and she had to watch her husband die
She's always fightin' hard and and livin' off the land
And when she' done livin' in this world you know the Lord's gonna take her hand

And ol' Jes goes dancin' in his Daddy's shoes
And ol Hazel's still punchin' out them Boom-towny blues
And you know ol' Mamie, she's spent some time in jail
And the legend of D. Ray White
Will never die like that Rebel Yell
And the Legend of D. Ray White
Will never die like a Rebel Yell!


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, Dylan is just showing us he's a pure capitalist. It's no different than the way others with tons of cash behave. I don't think we should hold Bob up to a different standard. Greed is greed, business as usual. Remember, Bob always denied being a left wing protest singer.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Original Sound

Dlew, the Old Time Religion snippet, as hard as it might be to believe, is one of the most original moments in TLW for me. I ask in all seriousness, has anyone here ever heard a drunk sounding instrument before or since.

Not only is Rick juiced but the f&*king fiddle is slurring it's notes. Talk about being able to make an instrument express your state of mind! It's just another example of Original Rick. I love it.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Words and music by Jay Lustig/The Star-Ledger Friday October 03, 2008, 3:13 PM

"Richard Barone performs during Richard Barone's "Frontman A Musical Reading, " an event that combined readings from Barone's book with musical performances."

"Also, friends and occasional collaborators like Moby, Marshall Crenshaw, Garth Hudson of The Band, jazz trumpeter Randy Brecker, Jimmy Vivino, and former David Bowie sideman Carlos Alomar made cameos."

"It was a multi-media show, with psychedelic video projections, old footage of The Bongos (at the Hoboken rock club Maxwell's and New York's Peppermint Lounge) and a specially prepared video of Lou Reed, dryly reciting the lyrics of his song "I'll Be Your Mirror." (Barone later sang this frontman anthem himself.)"


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Greedy swine …

Just picked up Dylan's The Bootleg Series Vol 8, Tell Tale Signs. The single CD set is £9. The two CD set (which I bought) is £14. But the Deluxe 3 CD set is £89.98. That's an extra £76 to get disc three, or $136.

That really is taking the mickey out of Dylan completists. I'm a Dylan completist myself, and for the first time since 1966 said "No way!"

As I said with these standing only concerts to get twice as many in, Dylan is a greedy bastard. What fuels the never-ending constantly-deteriorating tour is sheer greed.And an obsessive pointless greed too, because he surely doesn't need the money.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Guitarists; Rick's Ears

My favourite guitarists play in such a way that they are the only notes that could ever work - most of whom have been mentioned, but also others

I think the primer on Rick's Ears can be found in 'she's the only one' in 'the Weight', and on TLW 'Old time religion'. Sad news about George 'Rama lama ding dong' Jones.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Lost in the shuffle …

Interesting comment on how Rick's solo album emerged into the year of punk with disco very strong … in the UK, retro rock & roll (Darts, Matchbox, Grease soundtrack) was the other big thing. I remember playing it enthusiastically to a colleague circa 1978 who was heavily into punk. He liked it very much (reluctantly, I thought) but described it as "the best album of 1972" which wasn't a bad conclusion. 1972-73 were very strong years for "soft rock" albums with several albums I still treasure. Rick should have done it in the 1972 year the Band was on ice.

The commentator was as much of a music fan as me, but around eight years younger or so. I still have a little stack of cassettes he gave me in an effort to persuade me of the virtues of The Buzzcocks, The Sex Pistols, Television and The Modern Lovers. I then went out and bought the Modern Lovers albums … but not the others. I'm still playing Jonathan Richman nowadays in fact.


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the Turtle Pond, Drexel Hill, Pa.

Subject: Danko stuff, again

I've seen Rick play solo, with Garth, Blondie and others, with Shredni, with Levon in '83 (possibly the best show I've ever seen, EVER) and with Aaron and Randy Ciarlante. The last lineup was played in Baltimore, where I got in the club before soundcheck, and he came over to me and said "You're a long way from home (Phila.), aren't you?". He then was told by the management that they had to clear the room for official sound check. He insisted that the club's front door be left open. I got to enjoy a half dozen tunes among stray dogs and a couple of street people in a light drizzling rain. Ironically, this is the way I had always thought Rick's music should be enjoyed... with a couple of big, goofy dogs.


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Posted by:

rosalind

"Around the curve of the parrot bar
A broken down old movie star
Hustling an Easterner
Bringing out the beast in him
A high dive on a swimming pool
Filled with needles and with fools
The memories are short but the tales are long
Down there in the reeperbahn
They called her Rosie when she was a girl
For her bright red cheeks and her strawberry curls
When she would sing, the river would run
She said she'd be a comedian
Oh what a pity, Oh, what a shame
When she said "Come Callin'" nobody came
Now her bright cheeks are painted on
And she's laughing her head off in the reeperbahn

Now little Hans was always strange
Wearing women's underthings
His father beat him but he wouldn't change
He ran off with a man one day
Now his lingerie is all the rage
In the black on every page
His father proudly calls his name
Down there in the reeperbahn
Now if you've lost your inheritance
And all you've left is common sense
And you're not too picky about the crowd you keep
Or the mattress where you sleep
Behind every window, Behind every door
The apple's gone but there's always the core
The seeds will sprout up right through the floor
Down there in the reeperbahn
Down there in the reeperbahn"

Waits


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Posted by:

Steve

As a member in somewhat good standing myself, NB, just let me give you the Dankodude motto, mate; Never lose your e.

A word of scrabble advice. Dankodude will score much higher than Danko. NG, seems to be pretty flexible with the rules so it should be no great stretch to get it included. Good luck.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Dankette Julie

Thanks Julie. As per always, a wonderful post. I've decided that in time, I'll get all of Rick's music. I enjoyed the bit in the DFA liner notes about how while practising in Woodstock, totally unplanned Rick just started singing Andersen's great "Blue River" and how upon hearing it Eric knew instantly that Rick would be the one doing it on the album. And what a great emotional job he does on it too ! Love the lyric "he's just a dog you know" and how Rick delivers it. One of ever so many really, so I better not get started. See ya. NB


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: American Son (Deb/Joan)

That only confirms what I suspected about AS Deb, so it's now officially on my hit list. Thanks.

Well done Joan. Your "Dankodudes" has the requisite manly ring missing from all the other options. For a while I thought trying to make "Rickettes" look and sound less feminine might work. The result was disappointing though, when the only thing I got going down that road was "Rickets". So it's settled; I'm a Dankodude !


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Posted by:

Julie

Subject: Join the club--membership open to anyone who loves Rick

Jeff, I'll be glad to fill in a few more Dankish details for NB, so he can join the ranks of the Danketeers if he so chooses.

Okay NB, got a minute? Good. Here goes. A fondness for vanilla milkshakes is a must. And you might want to start stretching now, because you have to be nimble enough to enter and exit your car by climbing in and out of the driver's side window. (Carol informed us that this was a stunt Rick mastered during his days of driving around in beaters with stubborn car doors, and one he was still able to manage quite well in his later, slightly less "coltish" years.)

Now about that car...it could be a blue minivan with those fake wood side panels, or--if you're going for the later era Rick--it could be a white Ford Expedition (or whichever model of Ford SUV it was that OJ drove. Yep, Rick had the same one for awhile.)

Oh yeah, and here's one Danketeers might want to take a pass on and leave up to Dankettes: something about frolicking in the Catskills among the deer with a soft-focus young Rick. (You might be surprised to know that we have Peter to thank for planting that indelible image in our overactive imaginations.)

Finally, extra points to you if you knew that "got a minute?" was an expression Rick was known to use quite often, and which invariably preceded a chat that would go on for much more than a minute.

There, that should just about do it. Welcome to the club!

Oops, almost forgot. I'd like to add my voice to those that are advising you that you really MUST get yourself a copy of "Rick Danko." Almost every song is lovely, melodic and strong. It's the album that should've made Rick a "star," or at least much more of a household name. But as Jaynie said (Hi Jaynie, nice to see you here!), the timing was just wrong. This record of gentle love songs and a few poppy rockers that shoulda been hits (and I mean "poppy" in a good way, in that they have catchy, memorable melodies) came along when disco was still going strong and rock was just on the verge of turning toward punk, so Rick's record sort of got lost in the shuffle.

But if you want to inject some romance into those Scrabble sessions with Mrs. Boy, just pour her a glass of wine, turn on The Fireplace Channel (though the real thing is even better), pop in the "Rick Danko" CD and select track 5, "Sip the Wine." And that's how you spell romance (well, at least ONE of the ways you can spell it).


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: NB and Norbert

NB, perhaps Rick's male fans could be called "Dankodudes". Alright everyone don't gang up. It was just a suggestion.

Norbert: We just got back from a wonderful drive listening to the Derroll Adams CD. It is every bit as good as I hoped it would be. Some of the songs are hypnotic. Great for rolling along a beautiful autumnal road. the leaves are just changing. Thank you again for turning me on to the CD.


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Posted by:

Deb

Northern Boy, "American Son" is probably my favorite of Levon's solo efforts. I like "Dirt Farmer" well enough, but AS has a different kind of energy. I'd give the first solo album a pass unless you're a total completist, but there are no doubt a whole bunch of folks who'd disagree with that assessment.

I heard Billy Edd Wheeler's "Coal Tattoo" for the first time in years yesterday and it struck me that it's a song that would really suit Levon.


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Posted by:

Gary Solomon

Location: Stony Point, NY
Web: My link

Subject: The THE BAND Band - A tribute to The Band

THE BAND was the greatest rock and roll band ever. If you're looking for a "live Band fix", please check us out at one of our gigs. (Our next show is November 1st at The Turning Point in Piermont, NY.) We play Band songs like The Band played them. We're not them, but we're a good facsimile. Come on out and catch the show!


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Dank-U FriendO

Keep this up Jeffo and you'll soon be knocking Bumbles out of his "Ask An Expert" slot. Ya, Danketeers, shoulda known. As you might imagine, I wasn't really looking forward to that dang Dankvestite moniker all that much. Danks again. NN


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Posted by:

Friend0

Nutjob, the term is Danketeers. Dankettes & Danketeers hang out at Dankin Donuts, do the Danko Shuffle (singing the Danko Shuffle is different, Hey,Hey Hey do the Danko Shuffle, to the melody of The Stones Harlem Shuffle), etc, etc. I'm sure I've left out many important details, but other Danketeers (the plural to include both male & female) may fill you in as necessary.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: The Rick Fix

Despite coming from a family of musicians Steve, I regrettably play no instruments (playing the fool doesn't count) and were it not for my painting I would probably harbour more than a little envy for people like you who can mess around (or more) on an instrument, particularly with Band tunes. (My bro does that too).

My Rick fix of late has come by virtue of listening to my paltry two Danko albums in the evening while playing Scrabble with Northern Girl, who incidentally always kicks my sphincter. This even after she routinely lets me cheat by using such words as "danko" and "manuel", which are hardly common nouns. Now "Ain't That A Lotta Love" Steve ?


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Posted by:

Steve

Northern Boy, My current Rick fixation is from Crying Heart Blues. I just love that version of New Mexico on that album. I'm trying to add it to my repertoire at the moment. It's not an easy vocal but it's one of those songs that's just so much fun to try and learn to sing. It's performance art, at least by my definition.


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Posted by:

Steve

Jaynie, stop by more than once in a blue moon.

For me Rick has always been the most complete musician in the group, combing vocal and instrument None of the others , on their own could sit out on a stage by them self, take a Band song and give a performance of the song that was, while not as filled out as the original, none the less, remarkable in and of its self./n I have a solo version of The Weight by Rick from some small show, provided by Jaynie, that is just incredible. It's been mentioned here by several people who play guitar, that even though the song is not that complicated it's a tough one to perform really well. In that performance he marries the guitar and vocal beautifully. The feel, the timing is perfect. It's Rick.

But then again I'll listen to him let the crowd do the verses, only taking the chorus, and still enjoy the experience.

He was an original, musical genius! The proof 's in the pudding!


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Danko (Jaynie/Peter /BEG)

Thanks you two for the excellent Danko advice. I've printed it off for future reference. Rick is terrific; I should have more than DFA and "Cryin' Heart Blues" by now but I get sidetracked buying other things, recently everything by Jim Byrnes and (Bill M.'s) Fred Eaglesmith's "Tinderbox", which I can't recommend enough-go check out the sound clips. It took this album to shut me up about Jim Byrnes' "House of Refuge".

I think I'm targeting the Link Wray 1971 album next and going from there. If I'm wrong about "American Son" being the solo Levon album to acquire, someone let me know. There's about a dozen out there (not counting the LHS items) and I'm not interested in buying them all. I'm glad I've gone back to collecting music and have dropped collecting original art work-now there's a budget-buster Joan ! (Peter, I agree w. you about illustrators).

BEG. My address hasn't change so I'll email you again tomorrow from work. We'll sort it out.

FYI: I'm hoping Male Dankettes aren't called "Dankvestites" but if they are, it won't lessen my allegiance to Rick at all.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Hi Jaynie,

Nice to see you return here. Not nice enough to get me to watch a NASCAR Race, but very nice. Welcome back. Have a great time in New Paltz & at the Eric Andersen show.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jaynie my fellow Dankette

I couldn't have said it better. In fact, I'm sure I would have been worse. I never mind hearing people praise Rick. It is his due. I've been lucky enough to find some boots of Rick's. Bottom Line Show just before Xmas, and a DVD of his Boulder show with Butterfield. Great stuff.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: "Rick Danko" 1977

As this has been released three times on different labels, I was surprised at the note that it was at investment levels. You're right. A couple of new ones on Amazon.co.uk at £22.50 to £25, then it leaps to £103 and £112 and £125 … say $200. It was only a few years back it got its third release too.

However, it's an excellent investment for your ears. Financially, probably not. CDs don't have the collectability of vinyl and when it gets the inevitable fourth release prices will drop like a stone.

The "Rare record Guide" for the UK doesn't list the LP … wrongly, as it would be well over the £8 lower limit if that's the asking price for a CD. The vinyl one should hold its value and move gently up too.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Thanks, BEG! It is so rare for me to have any type of musical 'scoop' out here I like to enjoy the glow while it lasts. :)


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Posted by:

Jaynie

Subject: Northern Boy/Rick's CD

I know your question was directed to Joan but I hope she doesn't mind if I jump in here. I will admit to being biased on this particular subject but I think every one of Rick's CDs are worth owning.

It's been said that "In Concert" is Rick bootlegging himself (there's was even a disclaimer about the sound in the advertising) but I've always had a special fondness for this one. It's only Rick, Randy Ciarlante and Aaron Hurwitz and contains a beautiful version of "Blind Willie McTell" and -- the real highlight for me -- a few verses of "Train Of Love" that Rick would usually do in his live shows when he sang "Long Black Veil." If you never got to see him live, this alone makes owning this CD a must!

"Live On Breeze Hill" is another live show with Rick backed by some of the best musicians in the business including Garth, Randy, Jim Weider and an amazing horn section. When I met Elliott Landy once in Woodstock, he told me that this was one of his favorites. It also includes a bonus track, a newly arranged studio version of "Sip The Wine" which many people have never heard unless they are lucky enough to own Rick's solo album.

Speaking of Rick's first solo album, it can still be found although the CD falls into investment territory for most of us. The LP shows up more often and for more reasonable prices. Timing worked against Rick and this album never got the respect it deserved when it was released but it's excellent and is worth the steep price if you can find it.

"Times Like These" is a collection of excellent songs with truly beautiful vocals. Because it was Rick's final album and was released after he left us, listening to it is always accompanied by a certain degree of sadness for me. Especially poignant are a lovely live version of "Book Faded Brown" and Rick's touching cover of the Grateful Dead's "Ripple." Also wonderful are the title track, "All Our Past Times" and "Chain Gang" which was another favorite of Rick's live shows. A long list of Rick's friends perform on it - including his brother, Terry.

Since you already have "One More Shot," you should also try to find "Ridin' On The Blinds." This is the second DFA album and as much of a treasure as the first. Rick's work with DFA is very close to my heart and my greatest heartbreak is that we'll never hear that third album that was in the planning stages when Rick passed away.

I also own almost all of the albums which Rick contributed to in one form or another. (Yes, it's a sickness! :-) If anyone doubts Rick's ability to "hear" things others don't, this is the best way to understand the man's magic when it comes to harmony vocals -- not to mention his extraordinary bass playing.

BTW, anyone who loves DFA might be interested to know that Eric Andersen will be performing in the New York area this month. I'll be attending his show this Saturday in New Paltz and I'm really looking forward to it!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Ohh Maybe Slowhand and The Robster had a big fight! Wouldn't THAT heat up the old presses and make for excellent copy? I could go on and write down an imagined scenerio but.. it would probably upset the management. Somebody oughta put a sign outside the door of this place saying "NO FUN ALLOWED!"


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Here's the link JTull Fan re Robbie and Eric's collaboration being put on hold once again. Many thanks again for being the first to report important Band/Robbie news!

I sent an email back Northern Boy but I was notified that it didn't reach you?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Jan, I apologize for the handful of typos.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Strange Days in the sound of music

This week's Sunday newspapers in the UK resumed their competition with free cover discs. The Mail on Sunday gave away the Sound of Music OST album, while the Observer gave away a DVD of Mel Gibson & Glenn Close in Zeferelli's Hamlet.

The Sunday Times on the other hand produced "Strange Days" by The Doors. Everyone here knows my distaste for the Lizard's King's posing and lack of writing talent, but even so, I find Strange Days an odd give-away to two million people. That's two million CDs pressed. I'm kind of interested (vaguely) to have a copy as it was a cultural classic, even if not very good. But it is from "my" era. My parents in law in their mid eighties will be perplexed by their copy. I think Sound of Music is a better call for such a mass freebie … I have a kids playlist in the car, and Do-Re-Mi and My Favourite Things will go on it well. However, if any Doors completists NEED a copy, as completists do, they will be in the 10p basket next to the cash register in charity shops in great quantity next week … as was Prince's, and Peter Gabriel's Greatest Hits, The Beach Boys at Knebworth and other Sunday newspaper free CDs. I'll pick up a couple.

The Mail did two weeks of classic 80s albums recently. The Sunday Times appears to be starting out on 60s ones. What next? Will Big Pink be one of them?


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Test

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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Ry Cooder (+ You Better Move On)

I just got sent the link to Ry Cooder's first gig in 20 years, backed by Nick lowe and Jim Keltner. For a Band link, they did You Better Move On, Levon's latest cover too.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Sound and Feel/ Friendo

(Friendo) I have both tinnitus, which you're familiar with, and hyperacusis which I hope you'll never have any reason to be familiar with. So for me your post about external and internal sounds had a familiar ring, shall we say. Hyperacusis is a curse and makes tinnitus seem like nothing. Some who have hyperacusis get a searing pain shooting across their face at the mere sound of a phone ringing. (Personally I only get that when I know it's my monster-in-law calling). Innocent little sounds cause you bodily pain and make you want to plug your ears, which if you do only makes you more aware of your tinnitus as you've then blocked out the external white noise that had been masking it. Maddening some times.

It hasn't happened yet Friendo, but if these two hearing disorders ever get so bad that I start to prefer the music of Celine Dion over that of Levon then it'll be time for his Northern Nutjobness to "Cross The Great Divide", ie. "Tell me hun, what you've done with the gun".

NB


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Posted by:

bob w.

I hear you, Jeffo.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Last thought I'll commit to type tonight. Maybe. I've said this in here forever. Sound is or has a very strong element of feel. And that is a different dimension. Or is it? But sound and feel are inseparable. If you don't buy it, talk to someone who has or has had tinitis or bruxism. When they hear certain sounds, or frequencies, or volumes, their ears start to ring and they experience pain and discomfort. They may also hear grinding sounds when they chew. Again, a feel & a sound.

What about dogs, experiencing pain when exposed to high audio frequencies. What about Native Peoples hearing or feeling horseback riders or wagons rolling by putting their ears to the ground. Hearing, or feeling sound vibrations, or vibrations (feelings) producing sound that is heard.

Two of the most common things in dialogue when music is being worked on or people are talking about a project etc: "What do you hear?", "How does it feel?"

Sound is feel. It is physical. It is a wave. And that is another reason that digital sound is not a proper term. It is not felt. It is information. It is not real sound. So it doesn't sound correct and you can't fucking feel it.

Music, makes you feel. You feel it. Or you don't. But the biology and physiochemistry of hearing are connected to feel. The ability to hear, is connected to the ability to feel. People hear, often in relation to how they feel what they are hearing. If you can feel the drum, or vocal, or rhythm guitar, a certain way, or hear it a certain way, you might play your bass differently in response. If you have had other exposures in your life that give you other feels. Maybe like playing tuba, in Rick's case. Maybe having asthma, in Rick's case. Maybe all sorts of other things. Maybe some genetic, maybe some environmental. Ronnie extended the weird ears to all the Danko boys.

Musical feel and communication, the ability to relay information musically is often by feel between musicians. It is a different type of communication than verbal communication. The ability to relay feeling musically to a listener is also a different type of commuication than verbal communication.

Sound & feel, Inextricably tied together. And sensitivity is a whole nother subject. then there is the issue of sensitivity hearing or feeling wise, and then there is the issue of ability to transmit what you hear, feel, and know. The greatest musicians have the greatest ears,(sometimes in different ways from other greatest musicians) have the greatest feel, and the ability to communicate their feelings & interpreations musically.


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Posted by:

Julie

Thanks Kevin. There was definitely that feeling of being cast adrift for a few days when Little Pink was down, before Jan so graciously (and bravely!) decided to reopen some prime real estate space to us here at his site. I was actually starting to do productive things with my rare free time again, like reading books, writing letters, balancing checkbooks, making long overdue phone calls...you know, weird stuff like that. Nice to be able to "waste some time" with my fellow Bandfans once again.

Yeah, I've been meaning to thank Far East Man for that info. about the Page/Edge/White collaboration and documentary. (So thanks Far East Man!) It sounded really intriguing and exciting to me too. But with three distinctive lead guitarists like that, I'm curious to know which one of them ended up taking the intro and the very brief solo in "The Weight." And whether too many guitarists might spoil the broth (though I hope not. With these guys behind it, I really want it to be great.).

I agree that The Edge is one of those highly original guitar players. Sometimes it's hard for me to identify a specific guitarist when listening to an unfamiliar piece of music. But The Edge is one of those few guitarists who is usually instantly recognizable to me, even if I turn the radio on in midsong and it happens to be a U2 song I've never heard before. Right away that ringing, jangling, soaring guitar gives them away. It's that distinctive. Like Bono with his singing though, The Edge can get too bombastic, melodramatic and showy for my tastes. But when they're restraining themselves a bit and simply serving the song, they can be downright sublime. "One" is a perfect example to me of U2 at their best and achieving lift-off. They hold back throughout most of the song, which makes that build up at the end all the more powerful and gorgeous and moving.

And Jack White is one of the most refreshingly stripped-down, bare bones rock 'n' roll guitarists I've heard in a long time. The first time I heard "7 Nation Army," I was pretty blown away by it. I thought it kicked a**, and wondered how such a great rock 'n' roll song from the '70s had somehow slipped by me all those years. I was really impressed and amazed when I discovered it was actually a brand new song by a relatively new band. It just had that familiar sound of an old '70s workhorse classic, something along the lines of AC/DC's "You Shook Me." I love Meg White's drumming too. It goes perfectly with Jack's playing. No frills, but boy do some of their songs rock, with always that distinctive kick and bounce to them. Very elemental rock 'n' roll, but definitely not garage band rock.

By the way, I kind of like the fact that we get to see everyone's ISP and location now. It's fun to see where everyone's at, and really makes clear that The Band continues to bring people together from all over the world.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Danko's Weird Ears

(Hi Joan). That's certainly true and accounts for all or most of the comment. When I gave a copy of Rick's "Cryin' Heart Blues" to my musician brother for a listen, his comment was that it was a strange mix of songs. I'm not sure that it is but his remark brought the Hawkins comment to mind.

I only obtained "One More Shot" ("Danko/Fjeld/Anderson") this summer so I have the remastered 2001 version with the bonus second CD. (Like "Tinderbox" and "BARK", it's another album I wouldn't even have heard of were I not a GBer). These are the only non-Band CDs featuring Rick that I have. Is all of his solo work worth getting ? Any clunkers there ? I of course totally trust your balanced and unbiased, Dankette opinion. Even with our boys one has to exercise a little care. I picked up Levon's "Ties That Bind" (The Best of... 1975-1996) when I got DFA. I'll play it some more but it seems pretty weak for the most part. Levon doesn't even sound like Levon on a couple of cuts.However, he does a nice job on there with the Rick song "When I Get My Rewards". From what I've gathered on the GB, "American Son" is the solo Levon album I should be going after. Based on the sound clips, The new Merlefest CD sounds great but most of his cuts are to be found on albums we all have already.

NB


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Posted by:

Friend0

NB, I 'm about to crash, hopefully for a long time. But you have opened up quite an area of discussion. How people may "hear", or "having ears", has many different meanings, applications, usages, interpetations, etc, etc etc. As soon as time allows (incidentally Time The Conqueror is the title of new Jackson Browne album) I shall load my trusty Pez gun and aim. I could talk about it all day. Regarding Rick solely, or in a general discussion too. Meanwhile, it's an open forum of course.

In the meantime , I'm not sure if this is technically correct to say, but I will offer that sound doesn't have to have one dimension. There is the sound ( or sounds) you listen to , and then there are the unphysically heard or unexternally delivered sounds you may hear internally to accompany those sounds. Or one may be possibly even be able to substitute a internal sound for one of the externally heard sounds, over-ride so to speak. Or later, one may hear the whole thing differentally internally, or externally or both. And when the external takes place that is when the physical interpretations, contributuions and creations have begun. The unphysical start internally. And can happen externally at the very same first time too.

Print, may have sound too. Some people look at a phrase, and hear the phrase musically, it sings, there is a melody to the words, a time, a groove, maybe a whole band, with parts with it. Spoken phrases, may also, have a sound, suggest a sound, give birth to a sound. You can say something or hear something spoken , and it can give birth to a musical sound. Music is everywhere NB, and when you are musical, music is even more everywhere. When you are doing music, you hear music all around you. It's in everything. The trick is finding a way to get paid for doing it.

But Rick, and hearing. A big part of it is the unexternally delivered sounds. He heard em. He heard the parts. Rick's innate ability to hear unique musical parts, and tones,& times, that made his contribution to songs minbogglingly unique and sonically and feelwise irrpelaceable and musically DNA Wise identifiable. ALtered the whole course of songs. Of course they all worked together, but how one person would hear one thing would effect how another person heard something else.

In a different manner completely who but Rick would hear My Love by Lionel Richie, and then deliver the song so different. If anyone has a good live version of this by Rick, I have to tell you, it would be priceless. I saw Rick do some beautiful performances of it. Some goofy, some sloppy, some amazingly poignant, emotional, and intense. But noone but Rick would ever have heard that song that way. But after I heard Rick do it that way, that's the way I hear ths song. Lionel Who?

One more quick and obvious aside on hearing, someone can hear a song, and hear the song completely or very differently. It's one aspect of interpretation. Such as the difference between Dylan's Along The Watchtower, and Hendrix's. Try it yourself sometime. if you are driving, or doing something, and you have a song that the words to you are meanignful, you may find yourself thinking those words, and even speaking those words, and all of a sudden hearing those words with different music, or groove, etc etc etc. First timr I did that was with The End Is Not In Sight. It just happened, but it was radical. That is just one small aspect of this discussion.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The Woods' harmony of colors

Subject: Rick's ears

Randy Ciarlante once told me that Rick was like a teacher as he tried to get Randy to learn how to harmonize with The Band's vocals. "All of our voices have to become one, and there has to be a RING to the sound," he said.

I once told Randy that, with his voice, he could probably do a good cover of John Mellancamp's "Cherry Bomb" (especially since Larry Packer (fiddle) and Sredni (harp) were playing with him that night-- along with Jim Weider and one of Weider's bass players (Malcom?). Unfortunately, Randy said that he didn't know the song.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: NB/ Rick's "ears"

From one of "the Dankettes, (me).I believe what The Hawk said was"Them Danko Boys have weird ears" I think he was referring to their ability to harmonize or hear harmonies. Rick sure could do great harmonies.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Rick Danko's Uniqueness

Didn't The Hawk once say something to the effect that Rick had "strange ears". He didn't mean it physically, like ears sticking way out beyond his head like Alfred E. Neuman (or Steve) or anything. He meant it musically but I'm not sure in what sense. Could you take a shot at this Friendo ? NB


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: The devil Is Waitin' His Turn!

"Townes autobiography in song...

Well I used to wake and run with the moon
I lived like a rake and a young man
I covered my lovers with flowers and wounds,
My laughter the devil, would frighten
The sun, she would come and beat me back down
But ev'ry cruel day had it's nightfall
I'd welcome the stars with wine and guitars
Full of fire and forgetful

Well my body was sharp and my dark hair clean
And outrage my joyful companion
And whisperin' women, how sweet did they seem
Kneeling for me to command them
Time was like water but I was the sea
I wouldn't have noticed it passin'
Except for the turnin' of night into day and the turning of day into cursin'

Well ya look at me now and don't think I don't know what all of your eyes
Are a'sayin'
Does he want us to believe these ravings and lies,
They're just tricks that his brain's been ' a'playin'
A lover of women,
He can't hardly stand
He's tremblin', h's bent and he's broken
I've fallin, it's true, but I say to you
Hold your tongues till after I've spoken!

I was takin' my pride in the pleasures I known
I laughed and said "I'll be forgiven"
But my laughter turned 'round,
With eyes blazin, he said "My friend, we're holdin' a weddin'"
I buried my face but it spoke once again
The night to the day were a bindin'
And now the dark air is like fire on my skin and even the moonlight is blindin'
But now the dark air is like fire on my skin and even the moonlight is blindin'"

TVZ


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Posted by:

Friend0

Ros Baby, I've always given you full credit and a big thank you for the Friend0. Jeff0 Friend0 was your post. If I recall correctly, you put it in the subject line, though you might've spelled it Jeffo Friendo.

I know Townes was a regular hombre.

Stabbi0, Mavis Beavis ain't got nothing on me.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Friend0 - is that you Jeff? ( I gave you the idea for that tag you took)

"Townes" was the last name of his mother's people. Van Zandt came from his dad. Van Zandt County, Texas is named after his family. His ancestors founded it. He was actually given the name "Townes" at birth. His family were oil barons and he grew up in pomp and circumstance. He was being groomed for the governership of Texas by his father who sent him to all the best schools and got him the best of everything. He didn't care for it. He had a nervous breakdown in college. They took him back to Galveston and into a hospital where he endured three months of electro shock therapy. Burned out his memory and basically ruined his life.

There wasn't a pretentious bone in Townes' body. He was unable to make up anything.

He and John Stewart once had this tour together. Stewart must have been jealous, (as all songwriters were) of Townes ability to just effortlessly pull masterpieces out of the air. Anyway. Stewart was told the story of how Townes, on his last tour, walked out on the stage, put on his jacket, strapped on his acoustic and spent the rest of the show trying to take his jacket back off. Stewart hooted with laughter as he was told this story. I know you all are fond of this John "Life Goes Down in the California Town" stewart but the guy was an asshole! When compared to Van Zandt, his contribution was ENTIRELY insignificant!


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Posted by:

Friend0

No disrespect intended, but speak it out loud and you'll likely agree. Townes Van Zandt sounds like something other than a man's name. Maybe like Pie Ala Mode. I'm not saying it sounds like a food, but it sounds like a thing or maybe a place. Maybe Townes being so close to Town, and the meaning of town being what it is, it may make it sound geopgraphic too.

I love Townes' work, Pancho & Lefty, Tecumseh Valley, If I Needed You. Rodney Crowell's Till I Gain Control Again, I always think Townes wrote it.

That Garth Hudson Electric Dylan lecture sure gonna be something. If I only had wings, or a helluva lot of cash.

Norbert, you going to Viennna? You probably are the closest poster.


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Posted by:

Carlos Roberto G. da Cruz

Location: Brazil

Subject: Compliments

Reviewing the film The Last Waltz - DVD aniversary edition, 2002- no doubt, The Band performed an outstanding and remarkable concert. Martin Scorcese and the Band, for sure, set a high level concert benchmark. Deep emotions, reviewing this film which I had the luck to see the original film, in wide screen , back in 1978. It was a pity,I didn't get to know in advance about that concert on Thanksgiving Day, in San Francisco. For me, the one of the most tremendous and fantastic band concert ever made. A felt sorry, when I bought the DVD issue,in 2002, to get to know about the passing of Rick Dank and Richard Manuel, great musicians.

Congratulations Robbie, for such an achievment. You have, at least, down here, in suddern Brazil, in Florianopolis, SC, some fans, who really "digged" your group. Congratulations . CArlos Roberto / Brazil/Santa Catarina/Florianopolis


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Marge and Townes

Abby - You Betcha Ya! ;)

John Kruth writes in his biography of Townes that the night Willie and Bob done that song on television, Townes was "under the weather" Reclusive soul that he was, he was holed up in his bedroom evidently trying to sleep when in runs his son, Will all excited and yellin' "Dad, Dad Get Up! Townes utters something to the effect of "Not even if the house is on fire. Get your sister out tho." Anyway, Will pulls his dad out of bed and into the livingroom, staring at the tv and pointing he says "Look dad! On the TV!" Townes looks over and says "Well it's about damned time"

That was nice, Norbert... that song seems backwards... a glimpse into Townes' mindset. It seems that we should be waitin' around to live.. But, depressed people see stuff backwards___________________________code blue_____________


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Friendo/Walt: Very well put with respect to Rick, Richard and The Band. The deeper one thinks about then the better they were. Off for drinks..........


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Posted by:

Friend0

Thanks for the Marianne/ Garth video Joan. I caught that act at The Botton Line, the band was incredible. Garth, Bill Frisell, Fernando Saunders, Dr John, others. I can't recall the drumer and others names now, but it was beautiful musically.



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Posted by:

Friend0

Rick was an original . And to use a common expression, they broke the mold after they made him. Rick heard bass different than anyone else. In note selection, time, and tone. So yes, he was an original Singing, he wasn't the first to sing like a horn, but he was unique.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Original - to me - means to represent the beginnings - the origins of something. The Edge is original. Bo Diddley is original. Grandmaster Flash ( or so I'm told )was original. Johnny Ramone may have been. Not a great player, quite obviously, but did he invent that style?

Walt: An interesting point on Richard's drumming and Rick's playing but the standard to be both a great and original musician is strict. Rick is the essential Band member for me but that is not what the question was.

Steve: As an aside, your thoughts on the May lady were right on.

Julie: Good to see that you've made the jump to the backslash little n nusic only universe. Interesting bit sometime earlier about Page and The Weight.


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Posted by:

Abby

Location: ky

Subject: the point of this is really not political at all

How funny - as my husband and I were watching the debate and I was doing my best Palin impression (which was probably pretty annoying to him, having to listen to everything Palin said twice) -- I says "Hey, you know who she sounds like? The Fargo lady!" My husband didn't even acknowledge my saying that, so I'm glad to know that you came to the same conclusion, Roz.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Norbert,thanks for the Townes. I've had his version of "Dead Flowers" on my favourites play rotation for the past month or so. Actually most anything from the Big Lebowski" soundtrack these days.


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Posted by:

walt

& with all respect,take a listen to Richard's drumming & keyboard & singing--original--each & every BAnd member--original & great & multitalented.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, I think I need your definition of original to see why people's names are being put forward or left out, otherwise we could just be discussing a question of taste rather than something somewhat more objective.


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Posted by:

walt

as any student of music or musician can hear,it is self evident that Rick is totally unique as a bass player--he is unique because he plays each song with what the song requires--that is a part of his greatness,as he & Levon hold the bottom of that special Band sound.Rick can be folksy,bluesy,pure r&r,jazzy,etc. To watch him play fretless or upright--a true master & adapter of his sound--but,as the Band emphasized--it was about the song....& so was Rick. So,i guess to question the musical genius of any of them is pure ignorance,given that none of us players have an eighth of each of their talents...listen again my critical friend.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: The man who put the Ram in Ramalama dingdong

George Jones, Doo Wop singer dies.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Nick Reynolds Obituary

Nick Reynolds of the Kingston Trio.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Original and Great

Steve: The Edge is a more modern example of Original. Not necessarily great but original - he created a whole new sound. Stevie Ray Vaughn was great but not original. Lenny Breau was both great and original as is Jeff Beck.

The Band is an interesting case in this area. Were any of the 5 both original and great? A case can be made as original for Levon, Robbie and Garth. The greatness of Rick for me came from that voice of inocence not so much his playing and yet I have heard RR comment that Rick was definitley an original.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

YouTube: Another Townes Van Zandt song, Pancho and Lefty by Willie Nelson and Bob Dylan.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Great YouTube: Townes Van Zandt in Heartworn Highway (Waitin' Around To Die).


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Posted by:

Ilkka Jauramo

Subject: Politics /One more for the road...

Anonymous poster "jh" wrote: "Folks, please go somewhere else if you want to discuss politics and elections. This site is supposed to be about music. Thanks."

You are welcome! ... but where is the place to discuss The Band and the politics... and the history... and the culture... and the lyrics...

BTW Lägg inte ner Hurtigruten :-) Bye-bye and au lavoir.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Garth Hudson & Marianne Faithful

One of those things on Youtube that pops up when you are watching something else.


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Posted by:

Jeff Newsom (Rollie)

Subject: Thanks Jan

Truly great to see the original guestbook back up and running.Thanks Jan for all of your effort thru the years.Hi BEG! Have I mentioned I was at the Last Waltz???--JN


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Photos of Levon Helm On The Road and Americana Awards 2008.

At Cobourg's Chili Fest this summer one of the acts was The Barn Burners! Ha, Ha! Buzzzz Thompson of The Hawks was one of the musicians who got up on stage and told us they weren't The Barn Burners although the list of acts told us otherwise. The musicians playing with him did a decent "It's Your Thing" and Buzzz sang also well "I've Been Loving You Too Long".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bill Culp (Road Hammers) and Garth Hudson (The Band, member of the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame) during Roots 'n' Roll sessions, 2004....as well as Dave Rave for Bill M.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shankars

I've only got one Anoushka Shankar CD, "Rise" which is an atypical attempt to hit a more popular market. Mrs V, who is the chief sitar fan, doesn't like it and always chooses an early 60s Ravi Shankar LP out of all of his work. I'd go for one of the albums where she's with Ravi. When they were duetting live, she was the more powerful and energetic player, and doing more of the work, but when Ravi did something it shone … it was magical … the age range between them is used to best advantage.

I missed Hendrix … lack of concentration rather than because I don't rate him because I do. But I wouldn't put a whole Hendrix album on now and sit down and listen to it, but I have the singles on my iPod and am fond of Third Stone From The Sun especially. I reckon that reflects more on my age than his playing.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: I've Got It!

I have finally figured out who Sarah Palin reminds me of! Marge Gunderson of Fargo fame! Marge pulled it off tho, didn't she? She might have been sweet, folksy and knocked up but by dang, she solved that crime!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Pat - How much do ya pay'em? Whatever it is, it ain't enuff


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Posted by:

Pat B

RR used the hand trill when I first saw the group in 1969.

Carol's interview of Jonathan Taplan is excellent. I'm surprised I read it for the first time today, and it certainly is difficult to argue with.

I used to post political opinions here and elsewhere quite frequently. Since I've been proven correct on practically every matter, I've stopped.


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Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Union, ME

Subject: It Might Get Loud

I read about this documentary in Rolling Stone. Jack White, Jimmy Page and the Edge get together and swap stories and style. To finish up. they do "The Weight." It premiered in Sept. and will be released in some format next year. Sounds like it could be an interesting format for a series.


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Posted by:

Julie

Web: My link

Subject: Silly now, but back then I found it quite trilling

That depends Jeff. If you're talking about trilling while playing guitar, maybe. But I'll tell ya, there was a lot of hand trilling going on in Madison Square Garden in 1973, three years before Robbie did it so well at The Waltz. Only this variety involved a different instrument: the theremin. Check out this clip from "The Song Remains the Same" (which seems comically over-the-top by today's standards), paying particular attention to the footage at around the 2:16 and 2:50 marks. Some very serious hand trilling going on there!

The sequence--with its kitschy psychedelic effects and Robert Plant's usual preening and wailing--seems ridiculous now, yes. But man, I sure thought it (and the pale skinny guy who was doing all the "trilling") was mind-blowingly cool when I was 15, watching it on the big screen while under the influence of certain "mood-enhancing" substances.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: TNTDODD

I recently heard John Denver's version of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" for the first time. It's mostly notable for the lyrical change to the "SUMMER of '65." I'd day it beats the Joan Baez interpretation (some would say bastardization) but doesn't hit the level of Tennesse Ernie Ford's take on the tune.

I also heard the Johnny Cash version of the song for the first time a few weeks ago and it's really good as it pretty much follows the orginal arrangement.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: No more political posts

Although I have participated from time to time, I think Jan is correct and I support his stand. Perhaps he can add that to the terms of use box when posting. Many of the other forums I belong to have a separate thread for politics, because this is far from the only forum to deal with this problem. That may not be practical for Jan though. Peter, could you recommend any Anoushka Shankar recordings?


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Posted by:

Friend0

Somebody, anybody, enligthen me if I am mistaken, but I think Robbie and The Hand Trill were original.

Levon's drumming, original, especially his signature fills.

The Band's musical meld, original.

The Last Waltz, original.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: cahoots

What can you say about The Band except that they release too few albums? The Band albums seem to follow a strange pattern: their first, Music From Big Pink, was only mediocre; their second, The Band, was brilliant. Stagefright was disappointing, and their new one, Cahoots, brilliant again. Judging from this pattern, their next one should be inferior.

Cahoots has taken The Band a long time to record, and it shows. Each and every selection on the album is perfect in every respect. Gentle, soothing Band music -- from beginning to end. Don't make the mistake of thinking that their music is by any means simple. The Band use some of the most intricate and most effective chord patterns imaginable. Their changes are so strong (yet subtle) that they can actually be felt, even by those who know very little of musical techniques.

An excellent example of these changes occurs in "Where Do We Go From Here," possibly the strongest cut on the LP -- that is if one could actually choose the strongest cut! More powerful chord changes flow by in "The Moon Struck One" between the verses and the bridge, listen carefully and you'll be able to not only hear them, but nearly touch them as well.

As an extra added attraction, Warner Brothers recording artist Van Morrison appears on "4% Pantomime," a tune he co-wrote with The Band's Robbie Robertson. The vocal interplay on that selection must be heard to be believed. There has always been a similarity in vocal styles between The Band and Van Morrison, and "Pantomime" confirms that connection.

The only track that was disappointing to me was "Shootout In Chinatown," and it too is good, but doesn't appear to be as strong as the others musically or lyrically.

Those who have only been listening to The Band's music and not to their lyrics -- take heed. You're missing an awful lot if you disregard them. They too are brilliant. Sometimes a bit abstract, but brilliant nonetheless.

Cahoots is a carefully planned excursion through the minds and hearts of America's finest group. And if you still have any doubts as to whether they are, in fact, America's finest -- just listen to the album. It speaks for itself! - Circus, 1/72.

Yeah, there was some good shit on the go in 1/72.


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, if lighting yourself and your guitar on fire , on stage , isn't an original guitar move you have even higher standards than Peter, I think.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Original No

Bo Diddley - Original, Jimi Hendrix - see Buddy Guy.

Jimi was flamboyant and a very good songwriter. Not really an original.

Good point about merlefest, I just don't know how to download.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, I'm never sure exactly what people mean when they describe a guitarist as being original. To me the most original thing I'm aware of as far guitar players go was Jimi lighting both himself and his guitar on fire in the UK in 67 opening for the Walker Bros. Probably not what you meant but when I didn't see Jimi on your list of favoured guitar guys and I know they have to be originals to get on that list, I thought I'd remind you of how original Jimi was, in almost every way.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: You Better Move On

It perplexes me that stuff like a new Levon track (You Better Move On) excites little discussion here. Nor did the Merlefest download. You Better Move On is a radical take on the song for me. To be brutally honest, it sent me back to The Rolling Stones version, but it's a highly-arranged take, very different, worth talking about, even if not Mick Jagger or Arthur Alexander, who were appropriately younger when they sang it.


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Posted by:

David P.

Bill M: It's possible that Richard Bell may have played with some of the ARS guys when he was in Atlanta in the '80s. The group itself, as I recall however, was in disarray back then.

Anyone who's been paying attention would know that Levon does indeed have a have a new recording out, included on a recently released compilation, in addition to busy performing schedule. Garth has also been involved in some recent projects. The original 5's recording of "The Weight" has been included on a recent compilation. There's plenty of Band-related info, which Jan continues to include in his superb "What's New" section.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: All Things Must Pass

One of my greatest musical memories is watching George Thorogood shatter some stained glass windows in a smoke filled bar.......

Concert For Ban'dsh: purhased the dvd last year and a real treat to watch the whole event. Dylan was awfull ( word is he tried hard to prevent his performance from being exposed ) Clapton was in bad shape. The late great Billy Preston stole the show. George Harrison was much more comfortable live at this stage or his career than in later years. Wasn't quite sure what to make of Leon Russel. Still smile at the crowd applauding Ravi's tune-up!

David P: Understood and by the way your semi-regular "What's on your turntable" is the sort of thing that keeps me checking this site out. Also really enjoy when people post music bits from youtube and the like.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Anoushka

Her work in the beginning of the Concert for George was beautiful. I was watching it with some other people one day, and we were rapt Just toward the end of that piece, the DVD player broke down. We were so rudely brought back to reality that it felt like a punch in the stomach. The spell was broken. Peter, your description of your concert sounds ethereal.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Jeff, thanks for the Hans Theessink info.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Some time ago I said that Colin James' "Like A Radio", from his "Limelight" CD, sounded like a cross between the Band and the Atlanta Rhythm Section. Having listened to it a couple of times of late, I'm going to amend that to first-album Robbie Robertson backed by ARS. With Richard Bell added on organ. By the way, do you know if Richard B played with any of the ARS guys when he lived in your town in the '80s?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shankar(s)

One of the greatest musical experiences of my life was watching Anoushka Shankar and Ravi Shankar playing in Salisbury Cathedral as the sun set gently through the stained glass windows in mid-summer. Blues guitarists (all of them) pale into insignificance in comparison.



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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: For The Folks...

Geez let's see. Is Levon makin a new record?
How 'bout Robbie? - No, that's been scrapped.
Ahh Garth comin' out with anythng new?
Rick?
Richard?

I guess everybody could leave a list of their favorite Band songs again ...and again....and ...

Jean caught that ball huh? well, if she caught it, it must be hers!


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jan H

My apologies. You are absolutely right. I should not bring politics here, and I will not in the future. |n Deb and Steve, Thank you for the kind words. I'm pretty strong and things like that don't get under my skin.


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Posted by:

carmen

Subject: Doors

I happen to be a big doors fan and was wondering what other BAND fans think of the Doors. 2 very different brands of music, but I can never remember turning down LA Woman or Light My Fire when I here them on the radio just like I can never turn away from anything BAND. Also - when RR talks about Bands hating their parents - do you think he was refering to Morrison's The End?


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Posted by:

David P.

JQ: I'm not certain, but that Cooder/Costello combination may be a first.

JTullfan: Anoushka & Norah are technically half-sisters.


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Posted by:

Deb

Roz, your last comment was posted as I was writing mine. I apologize for the way I started off, but I stand by the rest of it.


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Posted by:

jh

Folks, please go somewhere else if you want to discuss politics and elections. This site is supposed to be about music. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Deb

Damn, Roz, who sprinkled your cornflakes with bitchy dust this morning? Shake and wiggle anything you want to get by, by all means. The same goes for Gov. Palin, but it's going to be a national embarrassment if she ends up shaking her moneymaker as Vice-President. My point is that she uses it to compensate for being shallow and inexperienced. We've seen how well those qualities work out in the White House. I'm sure she is a decent human being, as are the other three candidates.

Sorry to depress you, David. I'm done on the subject after this, but I thought Joan caught a cheap shot.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: this just in...

"Just got word from the folks at Great American Music Hall that a special guest will be joining in the fun tonight at the benefit show featuring Ry Cooder, Nick Lowe and Jim Keltner … Elvis Costello. Makes sense considering Lowe produced Costello's early records and Keltner has drummed for Elvis on several occasions. (Have Cooder and Costello ever collaborated? Anyone?) Costello, of course, is in town for a set at the Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival this weekend in Golden Gate Park."

Sure sounds like a dream team to me. Maybe a Little Village comeback, eh?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Music

Peter, I agree with your guitarist categorizations, and I did not miss the Abrahams/Barre inclusions, thanks. Which reminds me, I noticed that Tull is touring India around now with Anoushka Shankar, Norah Jones' younger sister. She is not the opening act, but performing along with the band. I would kill to see that, as Anoushka, if any of you remember, was the sitarist featured on The Concert For George Harrison.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Charlie Y: Good for Ralph Stanley, though I don't suppose it'll make anyone use "If I Lose" as a campaign song. Though the Stanleys' fabulous cover of "Finger Poppin' Time" seems oddly appropriate - catchy and recorded in Chicargo.

Sorry Kevin J, but am I right in thinking that Palin suggested that the Castro brothers (including the dead one, I guess) were to be feared?


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Posted by:

roz

I'm not calling ANYONE bitter. I'm just trying to get women to loosen the reins a little. There are two roads a woman can follow in this world. It's unfortunate that both roads lead to unfulfillment. If you take one road, the women who have chosen the opposite road will stand behind you and criticize your stance, your dress, your shoes and the way you comb your hair. they ultimately come to the conclusion that you are a cheap whore even if you've never been touched.. If you choose the studious path the other women will stand behind you and call you a prude and a frigid old maid even tho you have enough passion locked inside you to burn down the courthouse.. That starts early in a girl's life and unfortunately it never leaves. Women are the culprits of this kind of damage. Sarah Palin has obviously taken both roads. she was a beauty queen and now she's aiming higher. She's not afraid to learn new things. she is courageous, maybe to a fault, in that she has bitten off a great big chunk of something she has never chewed before and is chewing it with everything in her. She's taking it on the chin! Standing toe to toe! She's not going for the cheap sentimentality of Hillary and breaking down in public and crying and I, for one, hope this woman NEVER does! In that regard...She is a Maverick! I just Hope to God she stays that way!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Web: My link

Subject: Not politics and not music but this will affect us all

Goodbye privacy, or what's left of it: http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20081003/WIRELESS/809299966/1078/newsletter34


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Posted by:

Steve

Joan, welcome to the GB club of " Posters bashed by Ros", it's a long and illustrious list and as in most other cases, not worth replying to. I was taken aback the first time she did it to me but now I just take it as the price of membership. Roz has never been accused of having good judgment or a lot of class so take it for what it's worth, not much. Go and wash your eyes out thoroughly, I find it always helps.


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Posted by:

David P.

Kevin: That last paragraph was not directed at Peter, but rather to those who can't seem to quit discussing the depressing topic of American politics.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

My Roz point goes to the point before she called Joan bitter...,


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

There aren't too many points that I agree with Roz - but on this last one, she is certainly well within the ballpark of a very acute observation.

Sarah Palin may have winked and smiled a bit much in the debate but you don't get this far along in politics by simply shaking your booty. I think her Alaskan track record speaks for itself. Now as far as a national leader - yea, I think she still is a bit green. But I also think she showing herself to be a serious player for the future if she so chooses.

*********

I think muscians who can captivate other musicians with a particular style or charisma can be held to a higher level on the whole. RR is not a tip of the tongue personality to Main Street. He is an insider who is greatly respected. If you did any kind of poll for a general audience of top twenty guitar players, I'm almost certain RR would never be in it - as Bloomfield is probably never in it. But a poll of insiders would probably result in a marked difference of personalities. This is in part why some of these RRHOF selections seem so odd. The Main Street fan generally is focused on what is crammed down there throat - and for the most part, eat it with a grin. Those of inquiring minds and thirsts can seek out the exquisite and unique and admire them from a different perspective than most. As seems to be the case for many of those who frequent this room.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Guitar players I'm not particularly impressed by is a very very long list. Alvin Lee, Stan Webb, Tony McPhee, Mick Abrahams are near the top … there is a common factor there, and you'll notice that Buddy Guy is the exception to that common factor. Anyway, it wasn't recent Buddy Guy, it was his hilariously bad performance 38 years ago in Festival Express.

Guitarists I like include Robbie Robertson, Ry Cooder, Taj Mahal, Keith Richards, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Jim Weider, Link Wray, Martin Barre, Curtis Mayfield, Steve Cropper, Larry Campbell, Steve Miller, Lindsey Buckingham, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Clarence White and every one who's played in the various Paul Simon bands. You see, the positive list is longer than the negative. But if you're white and play lead over more than two or three twelve bars in a night, you have a hill to climb!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Joan

You sound like a bitter woman with lines like "I've worked with manipulative women all my life and I've watched them wink and smile and stick their chests out to get their way BUT you've never done that, right Joan? Why Not? You got it? Every woman has it. BUT You've got integrity and you Worked your way up and you kept your head and your dignity. Well Babe, You shoulda swung your ass and winked your false eye-lashes off, then maybe you wouldn't come off sounding so damned sour grapy!


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Peter V

Peter's posts to his credit are almost always about music and I especially enjoy those trips he takes to the record shops - namedrops of all sorts often spark me to check someone out - sometimes forgotten, sometimes never heard of before. That said the list of players that he is not too impressed with is quite alarming....from memory, Buddy Guy, Jeff Beck, Clapton and now M Bloomfield. I am also a contrarian but yikes.....


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Posted by:

rosalind

I watch people fawning all over Obama and don't think for one second that Barach Obama ain't using his looks and charm on the press! And on YOU!

Maybe Mrs. Palin would be more attractive to American women if she were homely? Maybe a little overweight? Old? Women in this country are sounding more and more like school girls with their heads together talking about "the new girl"


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Palin

Deb I agree with you. Through my life, I've had the misfortune to work with manipulative women like Sarah Palin. When put in a tough spot, they wink, giggle, stick their chests out and send their voices up a half octave. I've worked hard my whole life, and hope I am judged on my ability, not my "cuteness". People like Palin are truly objectionable. When she winked at the camera I felt ill. I loved it when she tried to fit in her rehearsed Reagan line of "There you go again" It fell flat. This past 8 years we have seen what cute and folksy can do for our country. Personally, I've had enough.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: The Late-Great Michael Bloomfield

The point of my post yesterday was that I strongly disagreed with Peter's assessment of Mr. Bloomfield as "a run-of-the-mill journeyman blues player at best". I was looking at the big picture and the mark he made as a guitarist during his career, not at any one point in time. I'm sure that fans of Robbie would not judge his overall contributions by his most recent & rare forays in music, such as "Shine A Light" and his Crossroads performance.

At least I was discussing a music topic and a Band-related one at that, since Robbie & Levon were friends with Mike, dating back to their visits to Chicago with the Hawks.


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Posted by:

Steve

Deb, she did well for someone who didn't know anything outside of her local environment til a couple of weeks back. She repeated what she'd been told and at least that means she can remember things.

Too bad most of you didn't see a real political debate like the Canadian one last night. 5 leaders, all very knowledgeable, well spoken, able to give full and in depth answers on important questions.

Elizabeth May, the head of the Green Party Of Canada, made her first appearance in front of a national audience. It's the first time the Greens have risen high enough in the polls to warrant their inclusion.

According to most of the pundits and many citizens who watched she was clearly the most impressive speaker in all areas of concern; environment, culture, economy you name it she has it together. She has an incredibly clear understanding of global issues and can explain them so you see how they relate to your life.

Ms. May who is a single mother, lawyer and an American by birth, is, in my eyes, the kind of leader a forward looking country needs. She is above party politics and it's really reassuring to watch someone like that in tough political debate. She is not into divide and conquer politics.

I've never seen a leader of a political party use her speaking time to defend another leader who was unjustly attacked by a third party who used misleading or out right lies. She actually took her time to point out the misleading info and make the correction.

She really tries to lay out, without bullshit, the situation the country or planet is in.

If you've really had enough of crappy politicians, find someone like Ms May and support her.Be prepared for the long haul, in the end it's worth it. I switched over to the US debate for about 10 minutes but quickly realized there was nothing of substance going on so switched back to the Canadian debate.

Ms May and her party are the best argument for voting for and sticking with 3rd or 4th or in our case, even 5th parties. It may take decades for change to come but as you can see by the US political and financial disaster unfolding it can be well worth waiting for.

Real choice and alternate views are priceless when a candidate can get on a national stage and offer them as an alternative to the narrow views in a two party system. It takes a solid third party to shake things up.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Camille Paglia

Actually Roz Camille Paglia wrote a pretty supportive article on Palin in Salon.com about a month ago. You may still be able to find it.


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Posted by:

rosalind

The woman's obviously a decent human being who wouldn't be where she's at if she didn't have something in her head!

Has Camille Paglia spoken out on Sarah Palin? I wish she would. I guess I'd finally find out whether or not I agree with her! She comes off as the only Maverick in the entire female sex with brains enough to wipe the floor up with any Joe Six-Pack!!

All the women's groups? Where are they? We, as women should all be celebrating the fact that we finally got a female personage as close to the white House as we do! Come Ladies let's Hear It For Sarah!

I Am Woman
Hear Me Roar
In Numbers Too Big ... Too big... Come on Ladies, Sing!

I Don't Know How Ya Expect To Ever Win The Gender War If Ya Can't Sing Any Louder Than That!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Another Black Italians Gig, NYC

October 28th, 11:30 PM, one set, at S.O.B.S of all places. Jimmy Vivino & The Black Italians.

This is an absolutely amazing band, and anyone who has the opportunity to see them, and does, will be glad they did.

On the Bloomfield issue, Jimmy Vivino is one of my favorite living guitar players and musicians in general (you name it, he plays it). Bloomfield is one of his main heroes.


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Posted by:

Deb

Good grief, I can't even avoid mistakes with a mandatory preview option -- make that "give credit" and "a good figure".


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Posted by:

Deb

I have to get credit to the "folks" who prepped Gov. Palin for the debate. They taught her four or five pat answers and few variations on each and she delivered her lines beautifully, regardless of the questions she was asked. And she's just as cute as all get out. The main thing I learned from that debate is that if you have a a good figure and a perky smile, an adorable nose wrinkle, and a bejeweled flag pin the size of a third breast, substance is optional.


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Posted by:

rosalind

She swallowed her emotion back. Did you see her swallow and then go directly into the segment. Biden was annoyed and pissed that she didn't stand there and grieve for him? Maybe's she's had painful tests of her own to endure that have deadened her sympathetic response to others right now.. These last weeks ain't been no Sunday trip to the playground for her and he's been part of the opposition. The media has strapped her to the back of a pick-up truch and drug her over the coals and it doesn't look like it's ever going to stop! She is human. Some canadian journalist calling her a "porn star" People in this country calling her the most awful names you can think of. No woman should be spoken of and treated like that! She has children that have to hear this stuff out of the mouths of everybody in the world!

Anyway, Joe Biden's known for bawlin' in public, isn't he?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Fantasy band, Palin

Dlew: Thanks and now that that is cleared up, band meeting tomorrow, be prepared to sign off on all future publishing and I will also take sole control of the band name. Oh, and if we ever do bring floating pigs into the act, I'll take those too! As to the RRHOF ceremony in 25 years, you can all stay home, I'll play with the house band.

Debate: The secomd time she winked at me I was gone! Did she wink at those helpless wolves when she shot them dead from a plane? Dropping her g's was almost as off putting!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: 3rd party candidates

Charlie, I agree Nader has a long list of faults. My criteria for voting a 3rd party candidate is less about their stand on issues (does it really matter given they have no chance?) than to exercise my right to vote while sending a message that there are people who are not satisfied with the major party candidates and the parties themselves, and who refuse to aquiesce to voting for one or the other. If 'none of the above' is on the VA ballot, I may pull that lever. I used to be a George Allen supporter, but his 'macacca' comment, among others, caused me to withdraw my support. I am not a Webb fan. He has done a few things that rub me wrong, and at the time I would not vote for him either. Webb won, as I am sure you recall, by only a thousand or so votes. So that small band of voters like myself, who withheld their support of Allen, cost him that election even though we did not actively support Webb. I feel like I helped successfully, and rightfully, punish Allen. This election may well come down to a swing state such as VA. 6 weeks ago I was solidly McCain. 3 weeks ago I was holding my nose and voting McCain/Palin, and now I am tired of holding my nose, for anyone. I will not vote Obama, but if he wins VA narrowly, then my withdrawal of support for McCain will have helped him in the end.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Brien: you're right - I mean, people speak how they speak. Probably in my speaking voice (were we all, through some miracle, all ot meet - hopefully at a ramble), many of you would be perplexed at my choice of words, phrases, sayings and structures. (Let's keep accents out of this). My concern was that Palin only used the 'folksy' language 'Darn right', 'Mind how you go, Joe', et cetera, when she seemed to be up against it. when she was talking about energy (an area in which she had experience), she didn't rely on those types of phrases. I agree with Jtull (I didn't hear it live, but i've seen the clips), that the whole 'wife will go to heaven' was nothing (although possibly a little embarrassing. And, of course, how do you react?). Unless Biden's FIRST wife was a teacher, adn his second wife isn't. I believe his emotion was genuine, but he didn't seem to hold it against her. And he seemed to compliment her at the end (and give her some constructive advice)...

She seems fine as a person. But I don't think McCain will catch up. Apparently, he's given up Michigan (?), or one of the 'battlefield' states ...


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

A moment on the small town statement I made. It is a over simplification of course. But the fact that she isn't a part of the political establishment and that she doesn't come from a priviledged class and that she isn't schooled in political talk is what comes off genuine. She is a woman who wanted to get invloved and make a difference. Through hard work, a solid vision and strong support she has become a successful self made, home grown politician, with a style that is true to her. It comes off putting to some and others can't handle it. She's new and her time as a middle class mom and family having those tough talks around a dinner table are still relatively fresh.

I have no doubt that Biden has had them as well but his were a long long time ago since he last felt the pain of any kind of financial burden.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: The Debate

I thought they both did a good job. Biden is more polished and came off having a more profressional grasp. Palin came off strong and fairly genuine. It's funny how folks interpret "folksy" and when they think that approach is appraopriate. I buy her lingo because she comes from a small town and she is middle class representative. She also is a great example of how one can make a difference in your community, your county, your state and your country. She is new and so there isn't a lot you can paint her in the traditional old school campaign tear down style.

It was interesting and both candidates were very respectful of each other I thought. I didn't get as revved up about how Biden got teary eyed and then when it was Palin's turn she just rammed into her segment. I can see why it was off putting but for me, it was a minor manner and in the end I'm sure Palin meant no disrespect and Biden did not interpret any.

In the end, though, I didn't see how either candidate could have swayed anyone all that much. Palin held her own and Biden didn't say anything stupid.

As for their facts, I read this morning that both candidates were close to equal on fudging facts to work their way, with Palin fudging a touch more than Biden.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: Voting

JTF: I think voting for a third party candidate in this election is a meaningless waste of time. You mentioned Ralph Nader. He's a guy who was slated to do a book signing in Arlington, Virginia back before the last presdiential election but NEVER SHOWED UP. His "people" never called the store, but apparently Nader was out to dinner and simply forgot where he was supposed to be. Half of being an effective president is simply showing up, so PLEASE don't vote for Nader (not that he'll get more than 1% of the vote this time). The guy doesn't deserve it. He's the reason Bush was able to steal the election eight years ago. Otherwise Al Gore would have grabbed a clear victory (he DID get more votes anyway). Bush took more vaction than any president ever and now we're all paying for it.

Meanwhile, bluegrass icon Ralph Stanley has endorsed Barack Obama in a moving radio ad running in Southwest Virginia. Senator Jim Webb was elected in a supposed "red state" by connecting with those poor, rural voters and Obama can do the same if he works at it hard enough.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Palin

She was actually a lot better than I expected but still not getting my vote. McCain's plan to tax employer provided health benefits is poison to me. Anyone see Dennis Miller on Leno last night? He made some good points. He is voting for McCain but ready to throw his full support behind Obama should he win, because, paraphrasing, 'we don't need another 8 years of this politcal hatred'. I agree. Again, I am voting for some yet to be decided third party candidate as a protest against the so-called corrupt two-party system, and will hope for the best from whomever gets in, but I am NOT going to vote for either because I expect and demand better candidates than we have in either one.


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Posted by:

dlew919

I should say, I don't mind 'folksy' talk per se: it's when its used to divert (as all language used in that way annoys me) that it bothers me... George Orwell got it right when he spoke on language. And I can't help feeling that Governor Palin is using weasel words as much as any of the Washington players. Pauline Hanson gives a model from Australia...


Entered at Fri Oct 3 14:41:22 CEST 2008 from 21cust250.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.250)

Posted by:

Steve

Dlew, Folksy talk is annoying but the actual use of the word folks in place of people or citizens, favoured by Bush and co., goes even further in debasing speech.

Try swapping "Folks" for "People" in The Gettysburg Address and ask yourself if the speech would be held in such high esteem today if delivered in such a folksy way.

Who the F%*k is Palin referring to when she keeps talking about wanting to represent "Joe Six Pack?" Almost makes you long for the days of "Folks".


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Posted by:

Calvin

I went through a serious Bloomfield period a few years back, Lasting no more than 3-4 months, I have both the Butterfield Albums, a 3rd live disc, The KGB and Electric FLag Album, The two with Al Kooper, and a couple of "solo" Discs" as well as some boots. I'm pretty familair with his work. I think both camps are right, Peter is right in saying he'd have a lot of stretches where he wasnt much more than a Journeyman Blues Player (Say like Clapton for the last 30 years or so), but he had these other moments-some really great moments. I dont think its so much just the legend that has carried his memory through the decades and got hipsters to include him on the top guitarist of all time list of the month. He's more remembered for what could have been, based on those moments, rather than what he did. Because although he lived into the early 80s, his weaknesses has made him more or less a shell of his former self by the Live Adventures Era.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Consequence of Sound....Robbie applauded and trashed.

Last night's debate....I was really moved when Joe Biden talked through his pain of losing his partner in life and child. Sarah Palin just went right over it and didn't acknowledge that he knows and feeeels what it's like to be a single male parent as many women in the world know and feeel as well.

dlew919: What is a blind leftie? Someone on the right thinks someone in the middle is a leftie. ;-D


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Posted by:

Friend0

http://www.rocktownhall.com/blogs/index.php/2008/06/09/the-evolution-of-a-rock-face


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Posted by:

Friend0

Actually, a certain someone, still kicking, wanted to remove Clapton's part, have a Jimmy cut the solo, but leave Clapton's name on it.

I wonder how Mike "Can't Buy A Trill" Bloomfield would have rated in Rockface?



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Posted by:

Peter V

Palin was mentioned in Uncut with his old fellow-Python Eric Idle and the mooted Rutles project "Archaeology".

In the latest Uncut, the article on Traffic is especially good. While I knew there were problems, I hadn't realized that the Winwood-Mason feud was of Band-like proportions. Mason felt that Winwood was jealous because Mason songs were mainly the singles and they had a major falling out at the R&R Hall of Fame over whether to play Dear Mr Fantasy (Winwood) or Feelin' Alright (Mason). There are some real deja vu bits, like Mason commenting that John Barleycorn Must Die was an album he'd never listened through because it didn't sound like his sort of thing.

On guitarists, I alsoI find a high proportion of Clapton dull and uninspired. The sublime bits are sublime, but there's an awful lot of very samey stuff to wade through as well. In my review of Jublilation I said:

Nice as Clapton’s contribution is to Last Train To Memphis it seems hardly worth the effort when you have Jim Weider sitting there. It’s purely to get his name on there, and was added to finished tapes sent to England. That’s not a bad thing for sales, but not necessary. Jim could have done something equally as tasteful.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Palin and other assorted love songs (some politics, but also some music)

I listened to some of the debate. Neither candidate 'nailed' it - but Biden got it on points - not because I'm a blind leftie, but because, having grown up in the country, i'm instantly suspicious of people who move to 'folksy' talk when the subject doesn't demand it...

Re: Layla - some ime back they released all of the album,with out-takes, which was mostly noodling (the band getting to know each other).Guitar Player reviewed it about right - the noodling was going to be 5/5 for Clapon heads - those who would record Clapton tuning up, and replay it for any 'tips', but for the 'average' listener the 'original' album was great, but the noodling was about 2 1/2 out of 5... Obama should hae run Hilary. Biden is a good candidate, but it's not his year. She won too many votes to be ignored (though those votes won't go to Palin). McCain should have run ... god, almost anyone... Let me just say this - when I become President, Kevin J. - you're my VP - no question. Al Edge - Secty of State.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Eric Clapton comments on Mike Bloomfield. But hey, what the hell does he know about guitar players?


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs

After repeated listenings (I listen about once a year to see if anything's changed) I fail to see why this album is touted as . . . much of anything. I love "Layla" and that ballady one is OK, the rest is just dull. What am I missing (in the music, please, we'll leave character flaws out of this)?


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Posted by:

Stu

Location: Westchester, NY
Web: My link

Subject: Norbert's Hans Theessink's Link

http://www.theessink.com/de/photos/trips/trips117.html After scrolling through the pictures after the picture of Rick I found this wonderful picture of our friend Richard Bell with Hans and Randy Newman.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Just back from another great Jimmy Vivino & The Black Italians show. Up at the Turning Point, the debates did make a dent in the crowd. Julie they played a bunch of Zep, interspersed in other songs. More on that another time. Jimmy is amazing, and The Black Italians are on the level of tightness, communication, and musicianship that very few bands ever achieve. The power of their music is staggering.

Bloomfield was a incredibly great guitar player. However drugs and mental instability did him in before he had a chance to perfect the hand trill. It did make a difference.


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Posted by:

Pat B

The Cubs stink. And the Dodgers with Manny are really good. The homer he hit yesterday--about three inches off the ground--was unbelievable.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: CUBS

Pat, what the heck is wrong with them??? I was chearing for them with the Yankees out. I was hoping they would be the last chance to stop the Red Sox if it came to that.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Brien, I give credit to the guys whose names are on the bill: Gramm, Leatch and Bliley. In light of recent events and revelations, I'd say Phil Gramm was the prime mover. The first version of it was not veto proof so had to go back for, uhhh, revisions. The second version passed with big majorities.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Lashing out

Pat, don't worry, I'm lashing in both directions and am going to vote for a third party candidate, probably Nader only because he is best known, but I refuse to cast my vote for either party's candidate this year. Time to start blasting John Lennon's Gimme Some Truth out of all of our car windows.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I have two Bloomfield cd's, Live at the Old Waldorf and The Live Adventures of Mike Bloomfield and Al Kooper. The Old Waldorf is my preference of the two. Live Adventures comes off dated sounding. But the opening speeches are a gas - just a drugged out sounding ramble that comes off ridiculous now but a window into the times.

As for Bloomfield's guitar playing - I think there are some very awesome moments but overall it may be his myth that survives more than the actual quality of the ouput.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Kevin

How do you categorise 'stardom'? Therein lay my problem. some glitter even more brightly than I. Whatever position you want, comrade, is yours!!


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Posted by:

bob w.

Sad.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Joe J/ Traveling Riverside Blues

Here is the Wiki write up on that. Also is a video on You Tube


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Traveling Riverside Blues

AS it happens I'm one of the many who bought The Complete Robert Johnson whatever year it was. I had no trouble going to the source for 'Traveling Riverside' not to mention '32-20 Blues',(which I just streamed Dylan doing from his latest bootleg).

When exactly did Led Zep do 'Riverside'?


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Posted by:

Peter V

I like Bloomfield's instrumental solo on The Weight too … but in terms of orginality, well, Taj Mahal, he wasn't. I wish i'd bought it. Still I know where it is … but it is 35 miles away.


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Posted by:

David P.

Peter: I have an early pressing of that LP (Columbia 360 stereo label). Haven't listened to it lately, but as I recall it's well worth seeking out. I have to strongly disagree with your assessment of Michael Bloomfield. He could play some awesome stuff in his prime. I've always liked his solo on the instrumental cover of "The Weight" (from The Live Adventures of Mike Bloomfield & Al Kooper) and his playing on "Texas" with Electric Flag is stunning, just to name a couple of examples.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Politics

What was it that Levon said to Marty S in TLW....something along the lines of "I thought we weren't supposed to talk about that...that we were supposed to shy away from that stuff" He was talking about women on the road but it could apply to politics here!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Pat - you can say what you want or how things might have gone - regardless, it happened under his watch and he gets the credit.

What little law I have studied, one thing I came to know - in this country, there is hardly a drop of anything that can't be changed given the precedent, will or vision. It can be as lock tight as you want it, but there is always a key for undoing.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Lost opportunities … today I saw an LP "Live at the Fillmore West 1969" at £4.99 featuring Mike Bloomfield, Nick Gravenites, Taj Mahal, Jesse Ed Davis and a horn section. I thought, 'Nah, I'll order the CD on Amazon" but it's not there.

I'm not interested in Bloomfield especially (a run-of-the-mill journeyman blues player at best), but anything with Taj and Jesse Ed Davis IS of interest. It proves the old adage … get it when you see it!


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Posted by:

Deb

Web: My link

I wasn't going to bring up politics unless someone else did but now that it's reared its head, I think the linked audio is interesting, no matter who you're voting for. It's a radio ad in which bluegrass great and National Heritage Fellowship winner Ralph Stanley endorses Obama.


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Posted by:

David P.

Joe: Don't get me wrong -- "Exile On Main Street", murky mix & all, is still one of my favorite albums. My friend & I often perform "Sweet Virginia", which always gets a good crowd reaction, and I get to sing the high part on the chorus in addition to playing lead guitar.

Just thought of a link between Delaney & Bonnie (& friends I mentioned earlier), the Stones (including Exile) and Levon & the Barnburners -- Bobby Keys.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Tull, don't lash out. I've had some bad prognostications too.

Brien, Bill Clinton didn't repeal anything. The financial industries started lobbying for a repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act as soon as Reagan got in, but Congress didn't pass a veto proof bill until 1999. Had Clinton vetoed it, both chambers would have overridden it.


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: finance

My bad; should never have brought up the subject.

Thanks Joan.

Still got a soft spot for that Faux Americana Tax Exile though. Always said 'Nobody does Faux Americana like the Stones'. Wore out side four.


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Posted by:

Steve

JQ, I'd love to join you at Levon's this month but unless I can pay in grape jelly and little pie pumpkins it ain't gonna happen. The sad thing about this whole bailout is that given the fore knowledge of the way everything would work out I'm willing to bet the people responsible for the mess and I'd add Greenspan right at the top of the list, would do it all over again. Remember when he was soooooo smart? If nothing else this complete fu*k up should make it clear to everyone that the huge salary the big financiers pay themselves is one of the biggest rip offs in the economy. Talk about a scam.

If nothing else this shows they don't really know anymore about the way the economy works than the people who wash the floors at the end of the trading day and probably don't contribute as much to the well being of the economy. All this talk about how smart they are and how hard they work is just so much crap. They've got their hands on the tits and they're good at stripping the cow dry is about all you can really say about them. Now that they've got the herd panicked and starting to run, they'll soon be able to make another killing. No more, no less.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Brien, that was some good financial history there. My problem is your insistence on including Obama and Biden. They clearly want what is best for Main Street and America and you need to stop questioning their motives. They are DEMOCRATS for god's sake!


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Exile On Main Street

Truth be known, the Stones album could also be known as Tax Exiles On The French Riviera.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Subject: Bill M.

Just heard "Get Down" from Mainline. Catchy tune. Isn't that one of your highly touted "picks to click"? P.S.: It's been 2 1/2 years. Stop trying to draw me in that Stones "Faux America" debate again.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Greed

Brian Sz - Greed, opportunism & profits are a reality in business here. We should never expect business to self-regulate or do the right thing, ever. If they appear to do the right thing then rest assured there is a marketing motive behind it. They exist to make as much dough as possible every day. And that reality is fine with me.

The only parameters are those imposed politically as regulations, that's it. There are so many miles between raw capitalism & communism that I believe you are correct that the middle (as usual) is likely best; we've just gone so far right.

Yours in Christ - you can try prayer too, but it never works either.

Note - Cuba hasn't really done that bad at all since they were abandoned by Russia. They educate a lot of our doctors now for fuck's sake. Compare Cuba with that paradise of free enterprise called Haiti. Our no-recognition policy towards Cuba has, one more time, made us a laughing stock elsewhere.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: "Supergroups"

Any discussion of fantasy supergroups should note a few real ones, which more often had short lifespans resulting from the inevitable conflict of egos.

In 1969, Delaney & Bonnie Bramlett assembled their group of "friends" for a tour in England, where they opened for Blind Faith. The group included Bobby Whitlock, Carl Radle, Jim Gordon, Rita Coolidge, Bobby Keys and Jim Price. During the tour, Eric Clapton would often accompany them onstage. When Blind Faith broke up in late summer, Mr. Clapton joined D&B&Fs on a further tour, which was soon augmented with George Harrison, Dave Mason & Leon Russell.

Most of the core members of D&B's band, augmented with many other musicians, later joined the Mad Dogs & Englishmen band that Leon Russell assembled to back Joe Cocker on a U.S. tour.

Former Friends Bobby Whitlock, Carl Radle & Jim Gordon also participated in George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" recording sessions, produced by Phil Spector. During that time, Clapton & Whitlock had clicked and began planning to form a band together. Along with bassist Radle, Dave Mason was originally slated to join on second guitar. In the beginning, Jim Keltner was favored as the drummer, but he was busy back in the US doing session work and, in the meantime, Jim Gordon took over the chair.

During Harrison's ATMP sessions, the core group that would soon become Derek & the Dominos recorded a single, produced by Phil Spector, which featured an early fast version of "Tell The Truth" b/w "Roll It Over" (George Harrison was also featured on guitar). Mason soon faded out of the picture and, after Clapton & Whitlock woodsheded at Clapton's mansion to write songs, the group later reassembled to record at Criteria Studios in Miami with Tom Dowd. They were soon joined by Duane Allman and the rest is history.

Timely to this discussion also is the appearance of Ry Cooder, Nick Lowe & Jim Keltner to perform together tonight & tomorrow night at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco as part of a charity benefit. Many may recall that this allstar trio backed John Hiatt on his classic 1987 album "Bring The Family" and later recorded & toured together in the shortlived group called Little Village.

Band connections: The cover of Delaney & Bonnie & Friends 1970 "On Tour With Eric Clapton" album features Albert Grossman's Rolls Royce. The name Little Village comes from a Sonny Boy Williamson song, which at the time it was recorded prompted a profane exchange in the studio between Sonny Boy and Leonard Chess that was preserved on tape.


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Posted by:

Steve

Deb, the sad news on the Romas was that the ravens and or grackles snipped off 10 of my 12 Romas when they were just seedlings to use as nesting material, bastards! So I didn't get enough tomatoes from them to make a difference over all in the flavour or cooking time dept. next year. I did just eat some in a sandwich for lunch and they certainly make tasty tomato sandwiches. Your fig and pear work puts you, along with Julie, in my Down To Earth Hall Of Fame. Figs eh? I'm envious. Brien I see your "undecided cloak" has been put back in the closet. While on the subject of advisers sucking the gov't tit in the Fannie/Freddie thing why don't you explain the involvement of Maverick McCain's campaign boss's role in the same scandal. My understanding is that his time on the tit was much longer and filling. He's just a recent weaner isn't he? Glad to see you're back, safe and sound. I kept thinking of the image of you standing on a windowsill somewhere with a crackberry in one hand and a copy of Big Pink in the other ever since my version of the future and not yours started playing out. Warning don't watch, Help. It's probably too soon for you to hear that nutty Indian executioner saying' GO TO THE WINDOW, GO!"


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Where Steve likes to lay blame on the big bad ugly corporate mafioso's, he fails to see that the blame goes out to everyone. There's enough to go around. Greed is the key and everyone was greedy and or politically motivated.

Admittedly, I'm no financial historian but some interesting points have come up recently. One could say that the "Big Bang" of this crisis started with Bill Clinton repealing the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. Essentially, "This act separated investment and commercial banking activities. At the time, "improper banking activity", or what was considered overzealous commercial bank involvement in stock market investment, was deemed the main culprit of the financial crash. According to that reasoning, commercial banks took on too much risk with depositors' money." - In other words, banks could loan and loan money to other banks without much in checks and balances - to put it in an over simplified way.

Witht this trend in hand, it then allowed for the run of the Housing market. This run up, in part, was due to the great belief by politicains that everyone should own a home and so allowed for mortgages to be manipulated. Not once until the first sub prime fall in March 2007 did a single politician shoot a warning shot that lending to folks with suspect credit could get us in trouble. Too many votes there to lose.

Bush of course could have reveresed this but again, keeping people from affordable homes is the American dream right?

Consumers buy into low rates because its low, pay now worry about balloons later. They paid low, couldn't pay higher because, well.., there are just too many shiny objects that have to be bought in the interum. So worry about tomorrow when tomorrow comes is a stupid way of looking at things.

Now, what really has hammered home the recent market downturn, is the elimination of the Up-Tick rule. This was the short sellers wet dream and what drove the financial sector into the ground. The UP-Tick rule essentially is - "A former rule established by the SEC that requires that every short sale transaction be entered at a price that is higher than the price of the previous trade. This rule was introduced in the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as Rule 10a-1. The uptick rule prevents short sellers from adding to the downward momentum when the price of an asset is already experiencing sharp declines. The SEC eliminated the rule on July 6, 2007."

Of course the Bush admistration did nothing to prevent this and niether did a Democratic congress.

Did anyone notice the dates of these rules and now we wonder why we have revisited the past - BECAUSE idiots in Washington and Wall Street failed to heed the lesson - they thought it was antiquated. Consumers know nothing of these acts, as I'm sure most of you reading this know little to nothing of it - I didn't know until the last month of these things. But given the mechanisms that get triggered, Consumers run for the best deals they can, folks with bad credit and even less financial savvy get sucked in even more.

Of course the issue is far more complex than this but here are two points of consideration.

More regulation isn't always needed but certainly put back into effect two checks that seemed to keep things in balance for a good while.

Over regulating doesn't work either - Does anyone think Central Planning works.., that philosophy is held by Cuba, North Korea, and the former Soviet Union. No regulations leads to what we are in now. What works.., obviously somewhere in between but there is no perfect system and never will be. The system works but it needs purges from time to time. Heads need to be rolled.

And as an aside - though Obama does the whole Wall Street Main Street thing - ask yourself why he never called for an investigation into the whole Freddie and Fannie mess. Because two of his top advisors were directly related to, with fingers deep in the pie, of Freddie and Fannie. And guess who was one of the bigger benefactors of Freddie and Fannie money - Joe Biden. SO think about that as who will be running the financial show.



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Posted by:

Deb

Steve, if I were within reasonable distance, I'd take some of those tomatoes off your hands. For some reason, the crop down here was mediocre at best and the garden to which I have access didn't have many at all. Pears and figs were a different story. I've picked and perserved until both trees are empty, so I've got a shelf full of each. You had said something about your Romas before we had guestbook interruptus, but I can't recall what. How did those do, again?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Joe J

Its Robert Johnson's Traveling Riverside Blues. Zep also did it.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 17:02:27 CEST 2008 from 21cust182.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.182)

Posted by:

Steve

Not a smart move Joe. It's always smarter to ask for an opinion from the guy who was way out ahead on how bad the situation really is. While our self acknowledged investment guy was saying, don't worry, be happy, we've seen this all before, nothing new here, everything is just fine, this is just part of a regular cycle, this is only a speed bump, SNN was warning of what the future held, SIX MONTHS AGO, and once again SNN was bang on.

I think SNN was warning of a coming financial mess the likes of which hadn't been seen since the 29 crash. Oh, once again, spot on, wouldn't you say, Joe?

While SNN was laying the blame at the door of the financial sector and the lack of gov't regulation others were pointing the finger at the people being sucked into an out of control housing vortex which of course was created by the people SNN was pointing at as the bad guys. Now where is everyone pointing the big, ugly, accusatory finger ? Let me answer that for you, Joe. At the same people SNN had identified in the spring, Joe.

In matters of finance, Joe, it's always better to be ahead of the game.

Now if you'd like to know what should be done, just ask. SNN does stand on it's well deserved reputation as a leader in making sense of this crazy world for the little guy like you, Joe. While I'm always here for The Guy Who Shall Remain Brainless, I extend that same coverage to you now, Joe SNN covers the globe!


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Posted by:

Jean

Subject: Thought for the day

'The most prominent place in hell is reserved for those who are neutral on the great issues of life.'

Good news, Steve, it doesn't look like you're going to hell.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 16:15:28 CEST 2008 from bas4-toronto06-1279277538.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.57.226)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Fantasy Band

Dlew: First you bar me from university and now toss me from the band! I'll take up guitar in support of David but insist on some changes. Steve will be limited to caterer for a few years while he spends his weekends following Jim Weider around and learning how to play. Pat B is in as is JQ ( for his name drop of Jimmie Dale Gilmore alone! )and Al Edge joins Carol in the promotions department.

But seriously, Jack White may be the best suggestion I have ever heard about someone from this geneeration who could have fit in and contributed to The Band.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 14:59:20 CEST 2008 from blk-222-152-63.eastlink.ca (24.222.152.63)

Posted by:

Joe J

Location: Newfoundfuckingland

Subject: Mortgage Blues

Holidays are over and good to be home. Good to see everyone's still on their best behaviour. Wonder how long it can last?

RE the US mortgage crisis. My oldest, a self described predatory lender, says the feds should just buy up the sub-prime mortgages and let the lenders take the fall on the derivatives. Cheaper, easier and the banks aren't totally off the hook. No doubt our resident economists (no, not you Steve) will find fault with that reasoning but I'm interested in their response.

"You got a mortgage on my body baby. You got a lien on my soul". Anybody know the source? I don't but I've been singing it in the shower lately.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 14:48:56 CEST 2008 from 21cust129.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.129)

Posted by:

Steve

Deb, thought I'd update you on this year's salsa onslaught. Actually it's more like Attack Of The Ripening Tomatoes.

I have so many ripening tomatoes I had to develop a program in the War Room to deal with the onslaught. My plan is a two "pronged approach.

The opening volley involves firing a jar of salsa at one of Marge's coworkers at the university she works at. Marge is the delivery system for this saucy assault.

If the victim comes back the next day with a positive response to the question," Did you like the salsa", the second prong of the attack swings into action. The victim is then offered enough tomatoes, peppers, pears and apples along with a personalized, handwritten copy of the receipt to make an 8 or 9 pint batch./n I've moved over 40 lbs of tomatoes this way, along with app.2 dozen pears and apples and about 50 hot chili peppers.

Now, if I could just find an outlet for about 200 lbs of concord grapes I could fulfill Jean's request to "Waste Not" in this season of plenty.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 14:44:15 CEST 2008 from mail.lumbergusa.com (217.5.150.251)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Fantasy Band

John Lennon---------vocals Brian Wilson--------backing vocals Carl Wilson---------backing vocals Ian Anderson--------flute/acoustic guitar Rick Danko----------Acoustic guitar/bass/mandolin/backing vocals Dave Pegg-----------bass Matthew Fisher------organ Garth Hudson--------piano/saxophone Levon Helm----------drums Electric lead guitair---none. I've never been into the guitar as much as a lead instrument. It is more of a support role for me, so I have always prefered the George Harrison, Martin Barre types to the axe-heroes.


Entered at Thu Oct 2 12:39:12 CEST 2008 from deigo210.nirai.ne.jp (203.160.28.210)

Posted by:

Fred

Bob W: sorry about the delay in answering your question....No I haven't seen the DVD you mentioned. I've heard of it, though.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Friend0

Norbert, Hans Theesink has a record coming out with the great Terry Evans. Evans, & Bobby King, have always been Ry Cooders' vocalists of choice.

Evans is a road warrior, world wide, so i imagine they'll tour this. Worth catching, Evans is a great live show. I saw him in St Louis. He's also a personable guy, loves to t alk.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Speakin' of Rats

Lucinda Williams is on Letterman tonite. October 2

"Well, the fog's rollin' thick in the trees
And the fire burns deep in the hole
My conscience a wound, with no salve
It betrays me wherever I go
Said the best way a man can go down
Is to die with his face to the street
And you guessed the way I'd go down
Like a gambler that rolls off to sleep
But that night on the mountain
I staged my own death
Let my clothes scatter down the trail
And I dreamed of your neck
Your raven haired crown
With no trace I jumped over the rail

Move Along
Cannot Stay
The Stopping Off Place

Move Along
Cannot Stay
The Stopping Off Place

Plain clothes knows nuthin' 'bout me
Plain clothes knows nuthin' 'bout you
He'll call off the chase in a snap
He'll call off the chase if you ask
And I promise to you I'll see my way clear
To come back and get you someday
With silver for teeth..
And blood in my hair
I'll come back and get you some day

Move Along..
Cannot Stay
The Stopping Off Place

Move Along
Cannot Stay
The Stopping Off Place

Move Along
Cannot Stay
The Stopping Off Place

Move Along
Cannot Stay
The Stopping Off Place"


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: D-Con

As we all know, Fall's a comin and the little mice and nasty old rats are all beginning to search for shelter. Well, today as I was driving through Clearfield county, I was spinning the radio dial and ran into some NPR station. It seems that the company that makes D-Con has been infested by several of those animal rights people. Evidently they have been dressing themselves as mice and rats walking, and in som cases crawling on all fours, carrying their signs of protest on the street in front of the company that makes D-con


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: My fantasy band

dlew919: guitars, bass, mandolin, vocals

David P.: guitar

Nick: Bass

Steve: guitar

Westcoaster, guitar, vocals

Rob the Organ: hmmm.... keys?

Rob Mitchell: keys (?)

Friend0): production

Carol: promotion/pr

Peter V: Technical support

Jan H: management

Backing Vox: all who want to join (it's a fantasy)

Any other member here whom I've missed

Repertoire: Band Songs; some Dylan; other such material

Support Acts: he Stones, Levon

preferred gigs: opening and closing at a ramble

Hey, no-one said I couldn't be a part of my fantasy band. And in my fantasy, I'm an awesome legendary player!


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Posted by:

Ari S.

Subject: Fantasy Band

Robbie Robertson - Electric Guitar Richard Manuel - Vocals Levon Helm - Drums Rick Danko - Bass Garth Hudson - Piano Jack White - Electric Guitar simple as that.


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Fantasy Band

Amy Helm: Vocals

Ryan Adams: Acoustic Guitar & Vocals

Garth Hudson: Keyboards

Tony Leone: Drums & Vocals

Catherine Popper: Bass & Backing Vocals

Cindy Cashdollar: Steel Guitar & Dobro

Jim Campilongo: Telecaster



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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Fantasy Band

Levon Helm: drums, vocals

Robbie Robertson: acoustic, electric guitar

Garth Hudson: organ

Bruce Hornsby: piano, vocals

Chris Hillman: bass, mandolin, vocals


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: A (non) Musical History

On NPR's Fresh Air today the interviewee was the writer & historian Steven Fraser. It was an excellent primer on the last 25 years of American economic policy development. It's at the NPR site now.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Bill, Juma Sultan, from Band of Gypsies, pointed me towards Jeremy back in 1999. Jeremy's dad is a great keyboard player as well. Juma goes back with them both and spoke exceptionally highly of Jeremy. Though I've not seen him in a while, Juma is a friend, and has some great insights. We've had common ground, and it's always been good around him. So when the man spoke, I listened. As I figured, he was right.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill I'll dig it out and give it a spin. It's been a long time. Peter, nice to see you're giving my fantasy band two thumbs up; The Band with The Staples, plus or minus J2Rs. But after once again hearing you point out the "too many cooks" problem, and I agree completely, I'm axing J2Rs for that reason, and that reason alone, from my fantasy band. I know I'm giving up his guitar and my fantasy band's #8 singer but for the sake of the clarity of sound I'll do it.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa,NY

Subject: Jeremy Baum

I have to agree with you on that one, Jeff. Jeremy is an exceptionally talented keyboardist, & a helluva genuinely nice guy. He's not a big guy - he almost disappears behind the organ. I forget his replacements name in the Guru's. He was another nice guy, was from PA, very tall, & very very good on the keyboard as well.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: Good one! As Landmark will confirm, there's a line on the Stones' overballyhooed "Exile on Main Street" about "scraping the sepia tone right off your shoes". You might give it a play.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Albert's confusion with Steve is similar to Ebert's whenever he got anywhere close to Rock n Roll. I like Ebert and agree with 90% of his film reviews but his knowledge of music ( like a surprisingly large number of film reviewers )was laughable.

Put Ebert in that category of folks who were put off by the "Play it Loud" before TLW. They would never admit this but we all know they were!


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Posted by:

Friend0

Peter, with the Clapton collaboration having been put on hold, our "Moonlighters" or "Hollywoods" lineup may be just the project for Robbie to sink his teeth into, or wrap his scarf around.

Since Mike & Kim have interjected New World Home Cooking, and The Turning Point has come up lately, I'm going to post some gigs a great keyboard player has coming up. Jeremy Baum is an incredibly talented B3 player, one of the best. I used him on 7 cuts on School For Fools. 3 were live in the studio, with Levon, Jimmy Eppard, Mike Dunn, and Andy Falco, 4 were overdubs. We cut the dubs in Manhattan, in a strictly B3 studio. I forget the guy's name, but he was in the Patti Smith group in her heyday. Big tall thin guy. Major name, major credits. Does a lot of composing and session work, of all kinds. I remember both he and my engineer being noticably knocked out by Jeremy's playing. He never heard the material before.

So for people in the Hudson Valley, Eastern Connecticut, NYC, and Northern Jersey, here are some of Jeremy's gig dates. The Turning Point is just outside NYC.

Sonando is his latin band.

Saturday, October 18th, 2008
the Firebird Lounge
w/Soñando - 10:30 pm
Rhinebeck NY

Thursday, October 30th, 2008

the Turning Point

JBSoul Band with Heather Wolfe!! - 8:30 pm
Piermont NY
Price: $10

Friday, October 31st, 2008
the Gilded Otter
w/Soñando
New Paltz NY

Friday, November 14th, 2008\ New World Home Cooking
w/Soñando
Rt. 212
Woodstock/Saugerties NY


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Posted by:

Peter V

Bill / David … both UK hits were the classic combo, written by Robbie, lead vocal sung by Levon. The Weight was #21 and Rag Mama Rag was#16.

No opinions on the Merlefest download or Imus Ranch record yet? Am I the only one who bought them? I'll make a risky observation. I've been listening to The Weight on the new Little Feat album a lot recently, and felt the vocal suffered in comparison to The Band but the piano playing was sublime. But now listening to Merlefest, I actually prefer the Little Feat version to the Merlefest one, which is marred for me by the Jubilation "too many cooks" syndrome. I felt there was just too much going on compared to the very focussed Little Feat version.

Neither compare to the original, the Band + Staples or numerous Original Quintet live versions, but Little Feat did a good job with it.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Music From Big Pink

When trying to figure out who wrote what with which singer in mind, you also have to remember that the songwriting credits were spread out more on the debut album. Four songs are credited to Robbie and three to Richard. From the Basement Tapes there's one Dylan, along with Dylan collaborations with both Richard & Rick, and the Long Black Veil cover.


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Posted by:

Steve

Yes Peter, J2Rs has said that many times, even I wouldn't question that. Your point is? Bill, I've been waiting for an opportunity to work "sepia-toned" into a conversation ever since you introduced me to the term a couple of years back.

I took another load of calves to the auction barn earlier this afternoon just after reading your "sepia-toned" post and thought I'd look for a chance to drop it if the occasion arouse.

A drover I know came into the auction barn as I was on my way out. I noticed his boots were covered in dried cow shit so with a very serious look on my face and tone in my voice I said," Albert, I can see by the sepia-toned tint of your boots you've been loading at a less than meticulously maintained establishment. I kept right on going out the door without breaking stride.. Before I got to my tractor and trailer the door opened and all he yelled was, WHAT? I just waved laughed and got in my tractor and drove away. He'll probably call later this evening for a clarification.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: October 25 Ramble

Anybody else going from here?


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: jackson Browne

We went to his show last night in Portland. I'm not a huge fan but I found it enjoyable; the fans went pretty crazy for him. It was at the Schnitzer which is Portland's best venue. It reminded me a bit of Mark Knopfler this summer with its small-stage bombast & a cracker-jack band. He had 2 girls singing back up & some leads and they were superb; more true gospel wailing than American Idol yodelling. Lots of politics, a new batch of songs & extended versions (not medleys, thank God) of his hits.


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Posted by:

Michael

Location: Northumerland, UK
Web: My link

Subject: Levon @ Merlefest

Just to echo some earlier comments, the Levon at Merlefest download is absolutley awesome. What a band.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: Daena

I said a little prayer for your aunt and one for you, too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: It's a depressingly short list in any case, but I guess the answer to your point depends on whose charts you look at. In Toronto, Levon took them to #8 with UOCC, Robbie to #11 with OOTB and (if we cheat a bit, name-wise) and Richard to #22 with TSIT.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Ebert on The Last Waltz

Roger Ebert did not have too many positive comments about Scorsese's film of TLW. A brief snippet says it all:

"I wonder if the sadness comes across on the CD [soundtrack]. The music probably sounds happy. But the performers, seen on screen, seem curiously morose, exhausted, played out."


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: The Hand Drawn Map Association

Link: hand drawn maps; looks like a good place for a napkin direction to Big Pink (it isn't there yet).

Joan, I live just a few miles across the (Dutch) border in Germany (draw a line from Amsterdam to the east).

JQ thanks for the tip about Jimmie Dale Gilmore, I'll look into to it.


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Posted by:

David P.

Wasn't Levon the lead singer on all The Band's highest charting singles?


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Wow, the GB is back. Good luck to it.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Band voices

The first time I heard the Band's music must've been the fall of '69, when my high school unaccountably showed "Easy Rider" in the gym one morning. But as am AM-only teen at the time, it did not register at all and it wasn't until "Up On Cripple Creek" appeared on the radio some months later that I really noticed them.

Listening to BP all these years later, I'm struck by how odd the singing must've sounded. I can see why a guy like Eugene (then still known as Jay) Smith, who'd idolised them for years and guested with them often on Yonge Street, and who possessed one of the best R&B voices in the city (and the country) would do a 180 and start singing what those who knew him must've thought sounded like a cowboy. Imagine poor Holland-Dozier-Holland, thinking they'd signed a fabulous big R&B band (three horns!) fronted by a fabulous soul/R&B singer, taking them into the studio to find that they'd turned into a fabulous R&B band fronted by a hayseed. Give them credit for perseverance though, as the album, even if delayed by a year or so, still came out - as Lucifer on HDH's Invictus label. Still sounds fresh and wonderful to me. (I just googled it; not much, just some label discogs and a couple of eBay listings.)


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Posted by:

David P.

dlew: No reason to be embarrassed. It was Al Kooper who cleared up some details about the Blonde On Blonde sessions in the liner notes to the No Direction Home compilation. It's Joe South playing bass on "Visions Of Johanna", which was one of Robbie's finest moments on guitar of course. Joe also played guitar (the one with a lot of "shake") on Aretha Franklin's "Chain of Fools".

bob w: I've always been a big fan of Pete Townsend's collaboration with Ronnie Lane on "Rough Mix".

Deb: You have good reason to gloat -- y'all beat us down in a crucial game on our home field between the hedges.


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Posted by:

Deb

Steve, that's what you think everything means. ;)

Nice to see everyone again. Thanks Jan! And thanks to Peter, Norbert, Pat, Dlew, and Tracy for keeping things going for so long.

I know it's a little late, but I can't resist -- Roll Tide, David P! I shouldn't gloat, though -- the third quarter made me really nervous and assuming we can keep it together and win the west, I expect we'll see y'all again . It's just nice to see us finish a game after the past few years.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Never heard "Pyschoderelict" from beginning to end though I have and love "White City". Even watched the video from "Second Hand Love" last night. With all this talk of Jeff Beck recently, I took the opportunity to look at his performance from the ARMS concert including a rare Beck vocal on "Hi Ho Silver Lining". Then found one of my all-time videos, Jeff Beck's "Ambitious". One of the best videos from the 80's when everyone and their mothers were making them.


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Posted by:

Peter V

… or Steve, it might simply mean that as Robbie has often said, he composed for the three specific voices.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I'd say that the result - Levon getting half of "Jemimah Surrender" but none of TNTDODD - was rather one-sided. Maybe if he'd tried merging the two: "Lincoln surrender, I'm gonna give it to you .." seems in keeping with the whole neo-Rebel vibe.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Fred, any chance you saw Townshend's "Psychoderelict" show? It was great. I believe the full performance is available on DVD.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: If the Almighty could talk what he sound like?

Miles Davis, Oscar Peterson, Jeff Beck........proof that gift of the gab and genius are not always related. Though they say that Mozart was a blast to have around!

Fred: Thanks...I was wondereing what Bob had meant by Music only.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, maybe it possibly points to a greater contribution to the songwriting by Levon than the official writing credits would lead you to believe,


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Singers on Big pink

Bill M's theory fits in with comments that The Weight was the last song that was written for the album, and so therefore that the others had previously been assigned. It might mean that Levon's voice was in mind when Robbie composed it too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Speaking of cryptic Dylanisms, is it okay to ask what blonde on blonde might mean?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Ebert on Scorsese; I wish I was stuck inside of Mobile...

See link for Scorsese (and a quick mention of TLW)

David P... ah... how embarrassment. To be fair, I've only started appreciating Dylan recently... but the influence of Curtis Mayfield is immense, no question...


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Blonde On Blonde sessions

dlew919: On "Stuck Inside Of Mobile (With The Memphis Blues Again)", Joe South played the main Curtis Mayfield-type licks, with Wayne Moss & Charlie McCoy providing the additional rhythm guitars.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Psychoderelict (music only)

Kevin J: as Bob W. mentioned if you get Psychoderelict, the music only CD is the one to have. As a Pete Townshend fan I have both...and I must say that the bits of dialogue between songs are rather annoying, even though they serve a purpose.


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Posted by:

Jean

JTull Fan - I'm seriously considering a write in vote for T. Boone Pickens. Or Santa Claus.

David P - sorry, I do not know who performed the cover version of Look Out Cleveland. I did write to NESN to ask but so far they have not responded.

Regarding royalties, how would a group or label know that a local station used a couple of lines from a song as background music to the televised picture?

Thought for the day - I started to do this on Little Pink, but haven't picked up the theme here. I thought it would be pretty easy as each person in my high school graduating class was supposed to submit a quotation to appear under their yearbook picture. But when I looked through my yearbook last week, I discovered that many of the people with whom I graduated were really sappy and had sickeningly sweet quotes. And my graduating class ha 466 people! Anyway, I picked the following to get this started again:

'If God wanted a man's hair to be a certain length, He would have stopped in from growing.' (it was the '70s!)


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Exactly - on all three counts (what a song, Richard as lead singer, use best guy). On the basis of who sang what on the the first two albums, and the songwriting credits, it seems that while Robbie was at first writing songs for anyone to sing (including Richard, who was still ready and able to write from himself, and even for Rick), by the time Big Brown came along he was writing songs more for Levon. Not only does that say the obvious, that Levon was fully incorporated into the group's thinking by then, but it also can be interpreted as suggesting that either 1) Robbie ended up writing a certain sepia-toned way because he was imagining Levon singing as he wrote, or 2) Robbie was in a sepia-toned period and Levon's voice was the natural choice.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Kevin J.

So pleased you enjoyed my link! I agree with you about both Beck (you've gotta respect a guy who works on his talent), and RR (wish he'd kept his playing up - and you're right, it's none of our business; when Robbie does play, though, man...) Another thing about Beck I remembered (and I'll get off htis topic in a sec...): I saw him interviewed, and was amazed at how inarticulate he was... I was expecting an 'artist' (whatever that means), but got (I realised later), jsut a normal guy (who has an ethereal talent)... Back to the Band (or at least Dylan and Robbie): is 'Stuck inside of Mobile (with the Memphis Blues again)' Dylan's best trakc? I'm inclined to think so... I'd love to hear Manfred Mann do it...


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jeff Beck, RR, Clapton

I purchased the most recent Crossroads dvd and an interesting observation: As Jeff Beck exits the stage after his electrifying set ( only our Steve as legend has it was calling for an axe to cut the cables that afternoon ), RR is giddy with excitement and is seen hugging the band and others around him. Wonder what he was thinking......perhaps nothing more than "great set" or perhaps "damn, I wish I had kept up with the instrument"


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Fairport Convention

Fairport Convention's WHAT WE DID ON OUR HOLIDAYS (released with different cover art under the title "Fairport Convention" by A&M in the U.S.) featured the Dylan rarity "I'll Keep It With Mine". It had previously been covered by Judy Collins (on a 1965 single b/w Eric Andersen's "Thirsty Boots" and by Nico (on her 1967 album "Chelsea Girls").


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Only one song but what a song it was! Perhaps it was just the case of Richard being the lead guy at that point in time. It makes sense for any band to thrust the most talented singer forward.

Dlew: Thanks for the youtube posting. I checked out the "related" video's and the performance at UDO festival 2006 from Fiji is even better. Interesting thing about Beck is not that he would rather fix his hotrods than play guitar but that all he does do is fix his hotrods and play guitar. This is a constant source of bewilderment to his peers but it is what I most admire about him. He respects his talent and works on it. None of our business really but don't ya wish RR has kept his playing up. I miss his sound and wish we could have had more examples of it. Sad about the postponement with Clapton but not a surprise is it?

Bob w: Thanks for the tip on Psychoderelict - I did not have it. Remember thinking - great title but never did pick it up.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Norway makes the news!

"Voyages of the Norsemice" is the title ...


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Looking at Steve's comments below, while not groundless, can apply to all four candidates on the major party tickets this year. Biden has made as many gaffes and said as many embarassing things as Palin during this campaign, although they are reported less and get no SNL coverage. I have gone from liking Obama and McCain less and less every day to DISLIKING both more and more. Last night I made the decision to seriously consider voting for a third party candidate such as Nader, Bob Barr, etc. I am less concerned about their positions as much as sending a message to both candidates and parties. Voting for Barr sends a message to McCain, and nader probably to both so I will probably go Nader. The only thing that can change my mind is if it is a dead-heat on election day and some other issues have surfaced.


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Posted by:

Bill M

For whatever reason I've been struck during recent playings of Big Pink that Levon sings lead on just one song (the same as Robbie, amazingly enough). As it seems unlikely that the others didn't want him to sing - witness Big Brown et seq. - I have to wonder if the planning for Big Pink (or at least the who-sings-what decisions) was too far advanced by the time he was invited to rejoin. He couldn't have been on the demos that got them their recording contract; I wonder how many songs were demo'd, and which ones?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Basement tapes

Over the years I've compiled myself a few "Basement covers" mix CDRs and the Fairport Convention stuff has always been there with the Byrds covers. The McGuinness Flint etc stuff means I need to do another.

Manfred Mann was always a good Dylan cover band … and Dylan's liking for their versions is said to be why they originally got first British look at the acetates. Mighty Quinn was the right one to select, becoming a UK #1. They always made Dylan songs jauntier, but that does no harm with some of the basement material.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Vinyl Siding

The 4 Men With Beards label has recently released 180g LP reissues of the three fine albums that Fairport Convention produced in 1969 -- WHAT WE DID ON OUR HOLIDAYS, UNHALFBRICKING and LIEGE & LIEF.

Speaking of the Basement Tapes, UNHALFBRICKING (complete with the original UK cover featuring Sandy Denny's parents) includes a version of "Million Dollar Bash", as well as Dylan's "Percy's Song" and a French version of "If You Gotta Go (Si Tu Dois Partir)". Also included is Sandy Denny's beautiful "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" and Richard Thompson's "Genesis Hall" and "Cajun Woman".


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Posted by:

Steve

Roz, that's not the only breaking news on the upcoming debates. Biden has been caught entering a grammar school twice this week in Washington DC where it's rumored he's been debating with the pupils in Ms McCutchen's third grade civics/geography class in order to get the feel for the level of debate he'll be engaging in Thursday night.

The Republicans say this is another example of underhanded, elitist, pointy headed cheating since they have no one of Biden's ability to put up against The Maverick in her practice sessions.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Location: Lo and Behold

One of those rare things … a legendary album that's as good as its legend. A lot is Dylan "odds and bits" rather than basement, but it was a few years before people knew which were basement and which were not.The Japanese version has both "Eternal Circle" takes too.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Gwen Ifill has written a book about Obama! Guess who's moderating the debate? Whatta bunch of bullshit!


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Posted by:

Stu Hruska

Location: Westchester NY

Subject: Congratulations

WORLD DJ CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS '08 1st: France DJ Fly 2nd: USA DJ Slyce 3rd: Japan DJ Co-Ma 4th: UK DJ Skully 5th: Norway DJ Final 6th: Canada DJ Shub Congratulations on a very fine finish.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Subject: Warren Bros Link is Below

http://video.aol.com/video/sell-a-lot-of-beer/1205517


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Posted by:

Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Sell A Lot Of Beer/Warren Bros

Heard it on WFDU (Fiarleigh Dickinson University)today, and it was pretty GAWD DAMN good for modern relatively commercial country music. Of course, I didn't have to watch the video.

My name ain't up in lights,
But I'm a hero in this bar.
And I play four big shows a night,
With just me and my guitar.
I don't make a lot of money,
And I don't have a lot of gear.
I don't sell a lot of records,
But I sure sell a lot of beer.

If you wanna hear Bob Dylan,
Then I'll play "Like A Rollin' Stone."
If you wanna hear Bob Wills,
I'll sing "The Rose Of San Antone."
I'll even play "Happy Birthday",
If that's what you wanna hear.
'Cause I don't sell a lot of records,
But I sure sell a lot of beer.

So it's hey, hey, what's your favorite song?
And hey, hey, everybody sing along.
We're just one big redneck family,
Aw, at least while we're in here.
'Cause I don't sell a lot of records
But I sure sell a lot of beer.

I wake up every Sunday mornin',
So I can go to church and pray.
But after some of my Saturday nights,
Things just don't turn out that way.
I think even the Good Lord, he understands,
That I'm at that point in my career.
That I don't sell a lot of records,
But I sure sell a lot of beer.

Hey, hey, what's your favorite song?
Hey, hey, everybody sing along.
We're just one big redneck family,
Aw, at least while we're in here.
'Cause I don't sell a lot of records
But I sure sell a lot of beer.

I don't sell a lot of records
But I sure sell a lot of beer.


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Posted by:

Friend0

Stabbi0, i have to give the credit to Jan's intelligently considered & well placed speed bumps. I'm not typoing any less, but the understandably implemented mandatory preview & approve functions certainly were an ingenous and inobtrusive way that the good webmaster offers everyone the chance to adjust their posts. Jan's a born leader, officer material, the kind of guy you follow into a hot guestbook.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Clapton-Robertson

Thanks, BEG. I originally posted last week that I heard that on a radio station while driving through Cleveland. Sounds like, with all the 'no comments', that there was some artistic disagreements.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Beck, Beck and Beck

Jeff Beck was a difficult person - he was kicked out of the Yardbirds - he claimed he was ill - the others didn't believe him. It is said that he'd rather fix his hotrods than play guitar. yet Ronnie Wood said with some amazement (without a hint of self-awareness or irony, apparently) that Beck STILL practices 3 hours per day. Someone recommended 'blow by blow' - I endorse that, and would also recommend 'Guitar Shop'. Beck uses few effects in his playing... His version of 'People Get Ready' with Rod Stewart is definitive - check it out on Youtube. Beck Hansen's biggest hit is 'Loser' (soy un perdedor/I'm a loser baby/ so why don't you kill me) - great song, actually, with some nice slide guitar Finally, Joe Beck - great jazz guitarist.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Taking the No out of Techno (Joan)

Your instructions worked beautifully. (They must've been "eMac" for what Steve had said earlier). BTW, the painting pics came today with the cute cartoon. Thanks for both them and the advice. (I'm assuming you can be allowed a personal message here if it's a thank-you).


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

I was really disappointed when I read the news....was it here or there? So I had to look it up for myself and here it is again...

EXCLUSIVE Clapton-Robertson Album on Hold

Just six months after they started recording their first album together in London, Eric Clapton and Robbie Robertson have put the project on hold. In February, Robertson told us they were "feeling pretty ambitious" about the disc. But now a source close to Robertson says the project is on the shelf and that no reason has been given, and a spokeswoman for Clapton offers up a "no comment."

Clapton is a huge fan of Robertson and his former group, The Band, particularly their first album, Music From Big Pink. Not only did it play a role in his decision to leave Cream, but he also wanted to join The Band. Clapton played with them in 1976 at their farewell concert, The Last Waltz, and inducted them into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1994. Clapton and Robertson co-wrote "It's in the Way That You Use It" for the 1986 Martin Scorsese movie The Color of Money, and it also appeared on Clapton's August album. --Sal Cirrincione

"E = MC2 (Energy equals motivation, commitment and clarity.)

"They say the only difference between heaven and hell is that in heaven people feed one another, in hell they starve because they can't feed themselves."

Hi Northern Boy and Northern Girl. :-D


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Posted by:

daena (said dana)gallant

Subject: will you all please help me out with this thank's..

hello everyone in here i'd like to make a request of you all which is that you all pray for my aunt to get better from bone cancer .which we just resently found out she has ,well that's to all of you in advanced that helm me out with this ,well bye bye for now ...daena was here today..


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Location: Boston

Subject: Welcome back!

Howdy, folks. The Levon Show on September 4th in Lowell, MA was fantastic. The man is a musical treasure, and Larry Campbell is a jewel. May God bless and keep you always. ~LDO

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