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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, August 2001

Below are the entries in The Band guestbook from August 2001.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 23:03:40 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Incidentally...

KLJ and Pehr. I've not forgotten you. I'll take care of it this weekend. Promise.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 22:53:43 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Java - the disabilities of a total stranger are none of your business. Perhaps you should treat people with respect if you wished it in return. Your mother should have raised you better. The day you (or anyone) are qualified to dictate musical taste, is the day I develop tinitus. You're a bore, and rather tedious. Welcome to my kill file.

Isn't Ian Anderson a gazillionaire from establishing one of the leading salmon aqua cultures in the world?

Bob, I just figured we could all do with a little sing-along...

Everybody sing...

Dry your eyes and take your song out, it's a newborn afternoon. And if you can't recall the singer you can still recall the tune...

Come on everybody!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 22:49:35 CEST 2001 from spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.171)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Kevin: Yikes! That 'old injury' almost killed Ian 5 years back. Literally: A stage prop fell on him an other menbers of the band. While not serious enough to cancel the tour, Ian continued in a wheelchair (shades of Spinal Tap, I know. Even they said so). While flying from city to city, he developed a thrombosis, which is a very serious bloodclot caused by immobility during long distance flying and it went to his heart, ironically, in Richmond, VA. Home to yours truly. Thrombosis is a very serious concern to those of us who travel, including myself, as I take off and land an average of 40-50 times per year while pretending to do my job. Alcohol is a double risk factor when flying, which is very unfortunate for me as getting on a plane sober is not an option. So hopefully Ian will cancel the final leg of this tour in order to cut the next album scheduled to begin production shortly and a few more rounds of the 'dinosaur' circuit. There's not many of them left!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 22:48:19 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

I think it's appropos to mention that, after 34 years, the last show of "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" airs today. Since it's a holiday weekend for many of us, have a wonderful few days in the neighborhood. Listen to some music -- tap your feet all the while -- and, most of all, remember to smile [:-)

"The music was playin', the people were swayin'
(Keepin' the beat)
In the alley, where they all rally
On them old cobblestone streets"


Posted on Fri Aug 31 22:34:45 CEST 2001 from (203.197.126.104)

Supraman

From: hot summer country

Belated wishes to the Philly Seamstress. :-) Jeez....are you a Virgo too ?

Thanx to Peter Viney for the info on Van the Man's birthday. I still wish though that he was born 2 days later...it would have been nice to have celebrated one's own with the Belfast Cowboy ! :-)

To KLJ : I have always enjoyed your posts here on the GB. Dont worry.....I had the same blues here as you did....before a chance chat with the one and only Diamond Li'l chased mine all off.

Mr. Donabie : You knew The Band. I never knew them. I probably won't ever get to see any (of whatever's left) of them live or just even shake their hands. You have no idea of how much your comments of The Band mean to me. They give me an image of The Band that is very beautiful and which is very truthful. And I know I am not alone in this. When you had your heart attack, I was worried for you too....though the link that we have is probably too thin for most people to even imagine or understand. I hope you come back. We all have our weaknesses...and that is why we are all here. Best Wishes.

For all you Phishy people, just got this show of the Trey Anastasio Band...and it seems he has been covering IMND in his shows lately. He's pretty good....but he's no Rick. But then.....there never will be another like Rick ! (ok....I admit I still haven't got over Casablanca :-D)

And winding up with the continuing sob story of my own life.....I used to think that engineering sucked. I was wrong....business school sucks even more.....the only saving grace is the 24hr leased line internet access they have given me on a line in my room. Now wouldn't it be nice if they could give me the time to use that blasted connection.

cheers to all,

supratik


Posted on Fri Aug 31 22:34:01 CEST 2001 from purple.alltel.com (198.133.100.131)

Kevin Gilbertson

From: NE PA

Just saw Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull last night. Still can put on a good show. Although he was certainly having difficulty hitting some notes. Also, he came out limping and using a cane. Claimed it happened at an English folk festival a few weeks (months?) back. Apparently aggravated an old injury. Sure didn't stop him from prancing around the entire stage. Wonder what he did before the injury. Never saw them before and found it amazing that he can play the flute AND sing.

While I enjoyed Tull, the opening act, Willy Porter was a pleasant surprise. Never heard of him before the show but wound up with an autographed CD. Excellent guitarist. Anyone here heard of him?

Band connection - JTULL posts here:)


Posted on Fri Aug 31 22:11:37 CEST 2001 from spider-wa064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.49)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland

java, Ian Anderson is NOT in an old folks home. He easily has enough money to pay for a full time Nurse. But as he wrote himself on side two of "A Passion Play": meeting the spiders, who come to say "Please"; pull lightly they/ bend at the knees...Well I go to the foot of the stairs..." whatever that means. Peter ViNey, "Incredibly Strange Creatures" might well be at your video store if they have a good selection of "cult". For the (great) Mystery Science version with the Band references, you could probably find someone online to sell you one for about ten bucks, without much looking, it might ever turn up on the Sci Fi Channel again. By the way, the Band's masterpieces are essentaily conceptual works, so to pick a favorite song really misses the point of their overall greatness.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 21:52:28 CEST 2001 from spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.171)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Brown-Eyed Girl: I will check those songs out. I am open-minded on this which is one reason I love this GB; I learn so much! One song I left out is Twilight. The reason I did this is because I prefer the Breeze Hill live version of it. When we got married last year, my wife and I chose 3 songs to slow dance to, and Twilight from Breeze Hill was one of them, sort of a tribute to Rick as he passed away only a few months earlier. Our wedding favors were CDRs of our wedding music, upon which Twilight, She Knows, TLW version of The Weight, and Rock of Ages WS Walcott featured prominently.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 21:50:51 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

I few years ago I had just brought home "Moondog Matinee" and my sister-in-law looked at the cover and said, "I didn't know Robbie Robertson used to be in a band." Seems she only knew him from that first solo album. "Moondog Matinee" left her cold. I guess it didn't have enough MIDI on it!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 21:39:13 CEST 2001 from spider-tl072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.207)

Amanda

I picked up a copy of Oxford American this morning. The babes are sleepin' and I've got the CD in. This is turning out to be a pleasant afternoon. The Delta Rhythm Boys are too smooth. I have never heard Les Paul actually play guitar. What a treat.....

Viva Las Vegas.....Tommy is back!!!!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 21:37:51 CEST 2001 from wcs2-pent.nipr.mil (198.26.74.100)

Nick

From: Home

My fault David. I did take offense too quickly. Thanks for clearing it up for me. Have a good one and enjoy your music.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 21:21:20 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Nick: You were quick to take offense, however, my comments were not directed at you. They were in reaction to several extremely discourteous postings from a couple of other individuals, who shall remain nameless. Not only were their comments so deliberately inconsiderate; they also had nothing to do with the subject of music at hand. Your comments, on the other hand, dealt with music. Although I may disagree with your opinions of certain pieces of music, I respect your right to express them.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 21:05:29 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp31.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.31)

Diamond Lil

Joe from New Rochelle/Red Hook: Thanks for the smile today! It was pleasure to meet you. It's certainly not every day that someone comes into my work and asks for "Lil" :-)

Have a good night everyone.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 20:51:53 CEST 2001 from spider-wn013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.153)

Donna

From: PA

There you are Tommy! That was too funny, while I was posting and asking about you, you came in and posted at around the same time. Good to hear you had a nice time in Vagas! Welcome back!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 20:39:49 CEST 2001 from (130.219.229.173)

BK

From: work

I think the thing about RR's first album is that the production is heavy (and very 80's). The songs themselves are great IMHO, but I do have to get past the overall sound sometimes. (not a big fan of drum machines or synth washes).

I think if it were produced more like a Band record (or better yet WAS a Band record.) It would have a much warmer, down to earth feel and sound to it. I do love the record, though.

Favorite Band song du jour: Rockin Chair from ROA disk 2 (Crabby, see what ya done started...)


Posted on Fri Aug 31 20:40:28 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

Oxford M. Blues

From: Oxford Town
Web page

Oxford American can be ordered at the above address.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 20:24:30 CEST 2001 from wcs2-pent.nipr.mil (198.26.74.100)

Nick

From: Home

Mr. Powell, I don't look at it as being rude. I find that record to be obnoxious to my ears and I'm sorry I even put it on. If I hadn't, I wouldn't feel so compelled to state my opinion. Don't put me down, I'm stating how I feel about the music. I find your statement to be a little off-putting if you want to know the truth.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 20:08:13 CEST 2001 from spider-wl074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.54)

Donna

From: PA

My favorite Band songs: Like G-Man, my favorite songs seem to change with whatever song I happen to be listening too at the time. The one song from TLW, was Levon singing Ophelia, that will always be a classic for me. Katie's Been Gone, and Atlantic City, have that certain catchy beat to it, that once I hear it, the tune stays in my head all day. Other favorites are, Tears of Rage, King Harvest, Lonesome Suzi, Whispering Pines, High Cotton, and from American Son, Violet Eyes. Jericho, Blues Stay Away From Me, and Too Soon Gone.

BWT: Where is Tommy?

Thank you for all the nice birthday wishes. It made my day that much more special. Wishing everyone a safe and happy weekend!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 20:01:19 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

"In my dream the pipes were playing
In my dream I lost a friend
Come down Gabriel and blow your horn
'Cause someday we will meet again"

Among the various definitions for the word "rude" is the following:

"Harsh in sound; discordant; not musical [rude tones]"

This is something I always try to keep in mind, and try to avoid, when I post anything here in the guestbook.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 19:55:59 CEST 2001 from webcacheh05a.cache.pol.co.uk (195.92.67.69)

Jimmylee

From: England

I'm interested if anyone has got some burnburners video footage as there is no chance of me getting to see them for a good while yet. Is there any material going to be put on the site in the near future? Otherwise they could do with doing a live internet link at one burnburner gig as i'm sure i'm not the only one who would like to see them who lives too far too visit in the near future.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 19:54:51 CEST 2001 from wcs2-pent.nipr.mil (198.26.74.100)

Nick

From: Home

Pat, You are correct but the appearances are brief and token just to keep up appearances. Actually Danko's harmony (his only appearance) on "Sonny got caught in the Moonlight" is the only highlight next to "Crazy River". Garth's work is buried in the mix on the only two songs he appears on. I can't stress enough how misdirected and shitty this album sounds to me. It's like the guy totally forgot his roots and drifted off into crappy 80's hype music. Unbelieveable.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 19:54:07 CEST 2001 from hse-toronto-ppp261735.sympatico.ca (64.230.32.166)

brown eyed girl

From: cabbagetown

JTull and Nick: Robbie's Recordings:

Storyville....with RICK DANKO, GARTH HUDSON, Neil Young, Bruce Hornsby, Neville Brothers (Art, Cyril, Ivan, Aaron) and Ginger Baker to name some musicians on first solo recording.

Robbie Robertson...with GARTH HUDSON, RICK DANKO, Manu Katche, Peter Gabriel, Larry Klein, Daniel Lanois, Bodeans, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Bono, Maria McKee and Ivan Neville to name some artists on second recording....."Somewhere Down The Crazy River" is on this recording where also in the video Maria McKee is featured......"Fallen Angel" was written for RICHARD MANUEL.

Robbie Robertson And The Red Road Ensemble Music For The Native Americans...

Contact From The Underworld Of Redboy...If you think his music is noise then it is a must that ya listen to "Making A Noise".....Just in case you really wanted to know......:-D

BTW......First year in University I saw Jethro Tull....always loved "Aqua Lung" and "Thick As A Brick".


Posted on Fri Aug 31 19:47:08 CEST 2001 from spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.171)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Sorry to keep posting: Just had to listen to Don't Wait. There are hints of the soldier struggling whether to go to Vietnam, or Virgil Kane going off to war 'your country needs you..' There is definately the image of a person with a burden they are reluctant to accept,and then ultimately doing so 'and with a heavy heart I walk into the night' (then again, perhaps they DON'T accept that burden) This also evokes the Unfaithful Servant. 'I danced with angels, I've drank my fill..now I stick to the honky tonks' evokes the history of The Band itself. It is very difficult to write semi-autobiographically and not slide into self-parody or melodrama. This song succeeds! It always amazed me how on Best of the Band Vol. 2, only White Cadillac makes it from Jubilation.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 19:43:04 CEST 2001 from c-cfc671d5.02-2-67626719.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (213.113.198.207)

Markku (Quos)

Web page

Thanks for the info on "Old Grey Whistle Test". I went on to acquire a copy of the claimed The Band performance in OGWT, and it turned out to be a promo for the song "The Promised Land". This was originally broadcasted in November 1973 in OGWT, the commentator mentions "... The Band's new great album Moondog Matinee comes out this Friday". The promo is a black and white cartoon (with animal figures working and playing on a farm). My copy comes from a broadcast on VH1 channel (I guess this rebroadcast is quite recent, from late 90s maybe).


Posted on Fri Aug 31 19:41:45 CEST 2001 from spider-tk084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.214)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY!

Hello friends!I have returned from a nice Vegas vacation.What's been going on in here?I know it hasn't been the same without me...but now I'm back, and we can commence with the fun!Good times!!!

~Speaking of 'Don't Wait';when I saw the Crowmatix for the first time, they did that song...and they did it great!That is one of the best post-Last Waltz songs in The Band's catalog (If you ask me).The piano fill on the recording, though subtle, are really nice.Go listen!!!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 19:16:43 CEST 2001 from spider-wa034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.34)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

John Lyness: The first time I heard 'Don't Wait' it just hit me. There is something going on behind the lyrics I think we have all experienced yet can't put a finger on. I can relate to it without being able to exactly define it. There is also an age issue going on too, the wisdom of age mixed with the wanderlust of youth, all seen by the same character. The condition of Levon's voice, in spite of the real life reasons behind it, actually make the song even more poignant for me. I also agree with the post on RR's first album. I respect those who like it, but for me, beyond Crazy River it is just noise.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 18:58:54 CEST 2001 from dialup-166.90.84.40.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.84.40)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Nick, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Rick and Garth on that first Robertson solo album?


Posted on Fri Aug 31 18:39:04 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.53)

Nick

From: Home

Danko really sounds great on Danko/Fjeld/Anderson. Incredible voice and incredible songs. I tried listening to RR's first effort today and was shocked as to how bad it is. Totally cheap sounding eighties schlock. It's no wonder the "Original" Band never reunited if that's the direction Robertson wanted to go. There's no way Rick or Levon would ever get behind slop like that. They may not be rich but at least they've got soul. God bless 'em all.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 18:36:37 CEST 2001 from spider-tl061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.201)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

What was the question again ?

OK Mattk, I'll take the bait. What's up with the John Denver quotes?

On a serious note:
A rather important post seems to have passed on by without much notice. Jan, I'm sorry for your loss. May the time it takes to allow your happy memories to replace your grief pass quickly.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 17:49:11 CEST 2001 from 16.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.90.4.16)

carmen

From: pa

Favorite Songs are The Weight & Stage Freight

For those interested - Bod Dylan recently listed his North American tour dates and for a limited time you can pre order seats by going to WWW.BobDylan.com. I just ordered 4 good seats for the Philly show in November.

Best Regards!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 17:10:36 CEST 2001 from stjhts21c81.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.98.86)

Java

Slanted Andy, you should refrain from profanity. I don't even stoop that low. You are the dickhead for not accepting my heartfelt apology and not answering a simple question. Take a hike!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 17:09:12 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

FAVORITE BAND SONG????? WICHEVER ONE THAT I AM LISTENEN TO AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME?????!!!!!! GIVE EM HELL BARNBURNERS!!! Without Amy...stay away from any mirrors!!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 16:50:25 CEST 2001 from housinguni1.usi.edu (192.206.9.72)

Slanted Andy

Java:

Noone will answer your question. You are a dickhead.

It is amazing to me how you can be insulting and rude while in the midst of an apology, albiet a rather pathetic apology. Your comments about Maud Hudson are hurtful, and only give us a glimpse into your Junior-high state of mind.

Get lost, Java, before Jan does the favor for us.

In short, fuck off.



Posted on Fri Aug 31 16:40:52 CEST 2001 from (209.166.233.21)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Hi all! Just reading the favorite song discussion & I enjoyed seeing "Don't Wait" mentioned a few times. For my money this is the best song the 90s Band ever recorded, and means as much to me (your mileage may vary) as anything from the early albums. I love everything about it...the mysterious & poignant lyrics, Levon's ragged but soulful voice, Rick's answering harmonies, Garth's playful piano...everything really comes together on this one. The Crowmatix often perform a great version of Don't Wait, too...nice to see that they are keeping this one alive.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 16:20:59 CEST 2001 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

From: Illinois

Hmmm, favorite Band song - well right now Katie's Been Gone is running through my head, but I would not call it my favorite. It just started up as I was drowsing on the bus.

I think I'll have to call Whispering Pines my favorite. During my long hiatus from listening to The Band, when the albums stayed on the shelves, a fragment of song would pop into my head fairly often. I could never place it, but when I finally listened to the entire Brown album once again there was a shock of recognition. The fragment was the harmony part, particularly "Drifting in a haze, when evening will be done" and continuing. Something about that overlapping vocal just stuck with me for years.

Healing powers of music - yes, I've experienced that too. Several years ago my brother-in-law died in stressful circumstances. My husband and I drove home, a 4-hour drive, with jangled nerves and anger and sorrow all mixed up. For some reason, instead of going straight home we went to that temple of comfort and solace, a bookstore. Since it was a Borders there was music as well. I bought Van Morrison's The Healing Game, a fairly recent release. When we got home I put it on immediately, and we collapsed on the couch and let Van pour it all out. It was a wonderful choice for our mood, and the final song worked as the title suggests to give us some equilibrium.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 16:14:51 CEST 2001 from dialin-1043-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.5.27)

Gene

I was going to suggest that we take a vote: for or against JRR re: the fued. However, there are a few people in here who would want to recount every $%*&!@# chad - OVER & OVER forever ha ha ha


Posted on Fri Aug 31 15:53:55 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-034.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.34)

Peter Viney

A while back someone asked if The Band had ever performed live on BBC’s “Old Grey Whistle Test”. I said I thought not, but had no proof except memory. “Record Collector” has a list of every programme between 1971 and 1979 in the current issue – The Band is not there.

The movie roles game is always fun, but Dave Z’s works of Castaneda is not particularly challenging because there aren’t that many characters. It’d have to be Robbie as Carlos, Garth as Don Juan and Levon as Don Genaro. While Robbie could write the soundtrack in collaboration with Garth, I can’t see that it would be Levon’s kind of thing! The most appropriate existing song is “Twisted Hair’- but that was actually written by Jim Wilson and Dave Carson (and is on the Little Wolf Band CD too).

Who mentioned the “Oxford American’ special issue first is getting a bit like the songwriting debate. In fact, it was David Powell a few weeks back. I wrote a post-it and stuck it on my computer to seek out a copy. My local UK Borders stocks stuff as arcane as the “Alaska Literary Review” (and what optimism caused them to think they’d sell six copies of that in Southern England?) but does not stock the ‘Oxford American’ which is weird because it seems to me a better known title.

Ben Pike: Is “Incredibly Strange Creatures’ the real thing or is it pastiche (like Attack of the Killer Tomatoes)? I shall scan the corners of the satellite TV listings where everything eventually turns up, even Todd Browning’s “Freaks” which it sounds vaguely like, though no doubt the Forbidden Planet chain will have a video. Will look next time I’m in London. How does it compare with ‘Carny’? I still think Carny a vastly under-rated film in every Film Guide.

A cautious happy birthday to Van. So he’s a scrupulous Virgo. Didn’t know that. On which, the Brooks’ “Tragedy of Hamlet” on Tuesday had the gravedigger singing “I’ll Tell Me Ma” between the Irish-accented Shakesperean lines. In an act of travesty, they changed the words to ‘She is the belle of Dublin city’ which is not only wrong, it doesn’t hang together as well as ‘the belle of Belfast City.’ Messing with Shakespeare I can forgive, but this one completely took my attention away from the play. ‘Cockles and Mussels’ is a Dublin song, as is ‘Raglan Road.’ ‘Tell Me Ma” is a Belfast song.



Posted on Fri Aug 31 15:38:40 CEST 2001 from dorms-034-232.bates.edu (134.181.34.232)

john

From: maine

favorite band songs: 1) Acadian Driftwood 2) We Can Talk 3) It Makes No Difference 4) King Harvest 5) The Rumor 6) Don't Do It 7) This Wheel's on Fire 8) Life Is A Carnival 9) Saga of Pepote Rouge 10)Twilight


Posted on Fri Aug 31 15:38:50 CEST 2001 from stjhts26c027.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.241.32)

Java

From: Oz

I hear Jethro Tull are opening for Backstreet Boys, that is if they can get Ian Anderson out of the old folks home. Is anybody gonna have the courtesy to answer my question?


Posted on Fri Aug 31 15:28:05 CEST 2001 from spider-wj072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.52)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Java, you are right about favorite songs being done before. We were all having fun but we will stop immediately. I'd tell you what an ASS you are but that has also been covered before...


Posted on Fri Aug 31 14:45:00 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

Fred: I'm glad to see someone loves "Sleeping" as much as I do. The whole "Stage Fright" album is amazingly well-recorded (I'm just referencing the vinyl - I imagine the remaster is brilliant) and The Band takes advantage of it to show off their chops individually and collectively. "Sleeping" is the finest example. The way those melancholy piano chords, underpinned by a melodic bass, EXPLODE into the bridge is a fantastic example of this group's cohesion. I am always in awe that the drumming in the bridge is played by someone who is not jazz-trained. And then Robbie's best solo ever. Plus Richard's always beautiful voice (this time working in my favorite lower range, not "soulfully" strained) and a lyric that expresses his worldview succinctly (as I gather it from his other lyrics - I never met him.) "Sleeping" is a masterpiece that belongs on "Greatest Hits" for sure. I wish they had done it on "Rock of Ages" too. Was it ever performed live?

Did Robbie Robertson write all those lyrics in "The Weight"? From my observation, lyrics written collaboratively are usually pretty insipid, and rarely epic. Exception: "Hurricane" by Dylan and Levy, although that has its clinkers. "The Weight" definitely feels like it was written by one man in an inspired mood.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 14:40:36 CEST 2001 from stjhts26c027.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.241.32)

Java

From: Oz

Favourite Band songs, that topic has been covered 100 times. BTW, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 14:12:53 CEST 2001 from spider-tp051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.196)

JTull Fan

From: Richmond

Oooops, add Dixie to the list of 'Other than'. I would explain to the last post the meaning of King Harvest Has Surely Come but there are more eloquent people here than I...


Posted on Fri Aug 31 14:10:49 CEST 2001 from spider-tp051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.196)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

Favourite songs (spelling in honor of Peter Viney): The Shape I'm In (any live version) Unfaithful Servant, King Harvest, Daniel & The Sacred Harp, WS. Walcott (Rock of Ages version)Don't Do It (Rock of Ages)Christmas Must Be Tonight (!!!)Willie McTell, Don't Wait(Jubilation), Stagefright. I am leaving off Cripple Creek and the Weight as they they are so intrinsic to the band that any favorites list should start with 'other than...'.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 13:38:39 CEST 2001 from proxy.newmedia.no (212.71.66.13)

Jens Magnus

From: Norway

Dear jh. I couldn't help but noticing in your video clip archive, the following title:

"King Harvest(has surley come)"

English not being my mother tongue, I can't imagine what this might imply, something filthy, perhaps? Who knows?


Posted on Fri Aug 31 13:03:30 CEST 2001 from grmn-189ppp59.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.59)

Diamond Lil

Wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday weekend.

Favorite Band tunes: "All la Glory", "Whispering Pines", "It Makes no Difference". Always were..always will be (although Levon's "Don't Wait" off Jubilation runs a very close 4th).

Welcome! to all the newcomers I've been seeing here lately. Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 10:55:35 CEST 2001 from spider-wf051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.172)

Nick Tovo

From: Ft. Myer

I've been listening to DFA and it hit me that no one has said what should have been said. We need a show with The Barnburners, The Gurus, The Crowmatix and Garth!! A big ass party out in NY state! A fest!! Let's Go!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 09:25:42 CEST 2001 from du155-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.155)

Ilkka

From: Petit Rhône (in my dreams)
Web page

Favourite Band tune: I like HYMNS and I like the songs about RIVERS - so, it is "The River Hymn".

Let me continue in biblical style: John D and other (Canadian) old-timers are like the Evangelists, eyewitnesses in The Band gb. Very much needed here!
Ragtime: please wash the vlaai off from you fingers before you type ... or play. (Web page is "only" a vCard.)


Posted on Fri Aug 31 08:32:08 CEST 2001 from proxy.newmedia.no (212.71.66.13)

Jens Magnus

From: Norway

Favourite Band song: Unfaithful servant from ROA.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 08:05:38 CEST 2001 from 1cust10.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.10)

rollie

To all you quitters! Never say never............!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 07:47:20 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtimme

From: Spelling & Typo Ltd.

Yeah Vinney, right you are...

My fave Band tune... what else could it be than Rockin' Chair...

When a livving leggend like Donnabie is leavving the gb, what's the use for us to stay... but he'll be back for sure... we can't miss him in here...


Posted on Fri Aug 31 07:29:19 CEST 2001 from spider-wj061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.46)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland

Peter Viney, you know, that extra N might come in handy someday...don't look a gift horse as they say. But sinse you mentioned mispellings, it reminds me "Incredibly Strange Creatures" has a really interesting credits sequence....


Posted on Fri Aug 31 06:59:08 CEST 2001 from pm3-pt34.pcnet.net (206.105.29.108)

Laura P.

From: East Berlin, Connecticut
Web page

Hey Susan, welcome to (posting on) the GB! It's good to see you here.

Favourite Band song at the moment? Gosh. "Whispering Pines" ... or the Academy of Music version of "The Rumor" ... or "Rag Mama Rag" ... or my all-time fav, "We Can Talk" ... or maybe "Rockin' Chair," "Old Time Religion," "The Weight," "Ain't No More Cane," "Across the Great Divide" (just for pinball machine and a queen... can't resist) ... the TLW version of "The Shape I'm In" (always) ... or, my favourite *right this very minute*: Richard's "You Say You Love Me" from the basement tapes era.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 05:10:23 CEST 2001 from (146.178.26.8)

Michael

Chris from Chicago, have to agree with you on Dixie in the TLW, Levon sings with such passion it does soar, majestic is a word that springs to mind, that performance took contempory music to a level that no one since has achieved, it stills takes my breath away, I don't have a favorite Band song, I love them all but the moment that sticks with me is the opening of Across the Great Devide, was the 1st time I heard the Band as The Band and when Rick's bass kicked in I thought "shit this is something else". John D apart from finding other Band fans after all these years I find a James B fan also, regards.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 05:03:49 CEST 2001 from cf3k-4.lqy.tsnz.net (203.98.21.44)

ajr

I haven't been checking the ol' GB much recently because of pressure of work so just catching up now. Firstly, Mattk- were you really quoting John Denver lyrics or am I hallucinating??? Secondly D. Lil, I'm sure Ben Pike has a big crush on you really.

Thirdly I've got Garth's new cd. I'm still digesting it (so to speak continuing Little Brother's meal analogy). So far I really like the first two tracks the Saga of Cyrus and Mulgrew and the Sea to the North. They are very evocative of something slightly odd but definitely interesting and I think would work very well as part of a film soundtrack.

I've rechristened the Sea to the North Music to drink Absinthe to. I picture it as the background to a partly animated film set in a French sea port. Perhaps Kylie Minogue could repeat her role as the Green Absinthe Fairy as in Moulin Rouge being chased by some large lumbering cartoon animal in and around the dark seedy backstreets and bars out to sea.My husband saw it as the background to a film of a Jack Vance book. He pictured it being used as the soundtrack to a surrealistic scene where giant eels pull the boat along.

Breakers so far does not do much for me. It’s sounds a bit bland and James Last orchestra-ish or something. I'm going to persevere though. I haven't really listened very carefully to the other three tracks yet because after a few minutes of The Breakers I want to listen to Music to Drink Absinthe to/the Sea to the North to again.

Greetings to the new posters. (Though I'm newish too- I think its been about a year and a half) I hope you stick around. Don't be discouraged if sometimes your posts are not responded to. They are read its just sometimes there isn't anything to add or time to post and so forth


Posted on Fri Aug 31 04:59:46 CEST 2001 from spider-tp023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.183)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Add a belated Happy Happy from me to Donna to the bunch that already went out... Saga is turning into my fav off Sea... I just like the physical enthusiasum and reckless abandon of the piano playing throughout... reminds me of that brief visual in one of the videos where Garth just attacks the piano... and try comparing this 12 minute or so number to other jammin type R&R songs... there's lots of rambling space to live for a while in this song... I have to say though it's almost a full moon clear sky night tonight... much different from the lightning and thunderstorms of last night... when I drove past a gloomy looking Paisley Park shrouded in dark blue light instead of the usual purple... I was pleasantly surprised to learn that Prince's Dad actually collaborated on a few tunes for Purple Rain... oh well, last night the mood of Little Islands was better suited...

I could see the remaining members collaborating on a soundtrack for a movie about the Castaneda books... maybe done by Apted, no?... Maybe they'd even have movie roles too... with like John Trudell...

My thoughts (scattered as they may appear in this post) are on a funeral too, Jan... I'd probably push for Sea during car rides to and fro but I get the kids it looks like while my wife will go... Your comment makes me think that Garth could probably do a CD specifically for use at funerals... it'd be a little morbid in a way... but who's his competition in the market, huh?... My prayers go out for my wife's aunt tonight... an artist...


Posted on Fri Aug 31 04:40:53 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg074.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.184)

butch

From: new york & proud of it,,,,,

LAST CALL !!!!!!!!!!!

Levon Helm & The Barn Burners --------------LABOR DAY WKEND

Sunday --------Bodles Opera House Chester NY SOLD OUT !!!! call 1st,,,,,,,

Monday ------------- The Iron Horse ---- Northampton MA

\selling quickly,,,,,,

Have a safe holiday weekend,,,,,,

SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC !!!!! see ya @ the gigs,,,,,

enjoy,,,,,,,,, butch


Posted on Fri Aug 31 04:07:46 CEST 2001 from sqd40.nirai.ne.jp (202.239.129.43)

Fred

From: a messy apartment

Sleeping has become my favourite song, although The Rumor (being Canadian RR should have used the OUR ending---I am disappointed!!!) hits the closest to home at the moment (for personal reasons naturally).

On a lighter note, I'm gonna give The Breakers another shot...it's a nice sunny day...no cobalt, but the sky is a nice cheery blue.

After having listened to Dark Star, I started wondering what songs I'd like to hear being given the Garth Hudson treatment. I came up with Tiny Tim's Tiptoe Through The Tulips, and Donovan's Mellow Yellow (Garth on lead vocal of course for both songs). I'm starting to think I may have too much free time on my hands!!!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 03:57:53 CEST 2001 from (202.7.32.146)

Rod

From: NZ
Web page

favourite Band song - usually Chestfever - but sometimes Strawberry Wine, Ophelia (TLW) or Rag Mama Rga etc.

Those people who make a big deal about leaving this GB remind me alot of The Band and TLW.They all come back eventually.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 03:40:07 CEST 2001 from hse-toronto-ppp261596.sympatico.ca (64.230.32.27)

brown eyed girl

From: cabbagetown

V an's Birthday August 31!

A uthentic, Astral Weeks, Almost Independence Day, And The Healing Has Begun, Angeliou (Some of my favourite songs), An Artist Who Inspires Brown Eyed Girl :-D

N ot Supposed To Break Down, No Guru, No Method, No Teacher, Necessary For Your Heart And Soul

In one interview I taped of Van he states that he lost interest in Rock and Roll when the Roll was taken out of the music..........

I was just in Jah mai ca mon and finally found the Dennis Brown tape "Rare Grooves Reggae Rhythm And Blues" where he sings an amazing cover of "My Girl" and "Forgot To Be Your Lover" (I first thought this song was Van's "Have I Told You Lately")........Anyway.......Every time I listen to the Prince of Reggae who sings with a soulful groove.........I can't help but think how great it would have been if Van and Dennis had collaborated on a song together......


Posted on Fri Aug 31 03:25:48 CEST 2001 from spider-wb031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.161)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

"Incredibly Strange Creatures" is well known among bottem feeder afectionados of used car ad filler cinema. The director claims it's odd title in fact mutated out of compromise talks with the angry producers of Dr. Strangelove(or how I etc.) in which he actually spoke with Kubrick. In the Lester Bangs essay, included in the collection Grail Marcus edited, he riffs on his love for the film mixed in with a fantasy of a radical take over of telivision, where one station attempts to screen every film ever made. Bang's point seems to be that movies like this were "our movies" as sure as "Wild Thing" and "Psychotic Reaction" were "our music." The scene where the mutant zombies finally run amok and storm the carnival is not unlike the current flight from the guestbook. I would say "Incredibly Strange" rejects any conventional morality, and is beyond good and evil. Except the charactor that is like Dimond Lil who is of course evil.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 02:19:11 CEST 2001 from spider-wj061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.46)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

To all of you who post and don't get a response: Sometimes, I just agree and just can't improve upon your ideas. UGH! I just read I missed a Dr. John show in DC!! Ironically, I just saved his website last night,it is www.zuzu-man.com. As my wife and I are building a house, I hade to forgo a trek to see JTull this month, Charleston, SC this weekend, and BB King/Buddy Guy next month! :( . I also checked my itinerary in Oct. and found that although work scheduled me to travel through Memphis, it will be for 16-1/2 minutes and no time for Beal St. Double :(! But...I started whining and my wife agreed that instead of going taking her to Napa Valley as promised next spring, we will go to the N'Orleans Jazz Festival instead! Triple :). Hope you are all well and safe this weekend; I'm taking a mental health day tomorrow and since this Rockin' Chair 'Ain't Goin' Nowhere', I am going to crack open a cold one and crank up some Band!!!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 02:13:18 CEST 2001 from spider-loh-ta072.proxy.aol.com (195.93.32.182)

Mr guerilla

From: London

Mugs I would like to say that I agree completely with your last post and that anywhere that informs about and celebrates music, particularly that of The Band is a good thing. I am grateful to Jan for this site, and its reviews by some of the guestbookers for pointing me in the direction of Garth's great album, something I would never have come across otherwise. Peter in response to your post concerning dissection of music I agree that when done well it is a valuable and worthwile excercise. There are songs that I have enjoyed more through having a greater understanding of them, not having a great understanding of American history TNTDODD is a good example. For me the songs I love the most are the ones that contain moments that cannot be captured or dissected and that just hit you somewhere inside. Richard singing "I just wanna get my feet back on the ground" is one of the best moments in a song of all time and for that reason Rocking Chair is my favourite song. I would love to hear what others best moments in songs are. Finally I would like to give a big up to Amanda and Susan for giving me the confidence to post again. p.s I don't want to get into the songwriting issue. I love most of them and more than anything am glad they were played and sung by The Band.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 01:47:03 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp34.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.34)

Diamond Lil

Jan: Music, does indeed..heal. Keep listening. Hug.


Posted on Fri Aug 31 01:18:35 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-119-157.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.119.157)

BWNWITennessee

KLJ - what's probably more annoying than people ignoring your posts is when you post something that everyone ignores, then someone else posts about the exact same subject and gets a big discussion going.

So, anyone read the Oxford American music edition?


Posted on Fri Aug 31 00:44:58 CEST 2001 from hse-toronto-ppp261596.sympatico.ca (64.230.32.27)

brown eyed girl

From: cabbagetown

FAVOURITE BAND SONGS

Robbie Robertson..."Out Of The Blue"
Rick Danko..."It Makes No Difference"
Richard Manuel..."Whispering Pines"
Levon Helm..."The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" (TLW)
Garth Hudson..."Chest Fever"

I was going through some Band videos that I taped such as the Jana Lynne White interview of Robbie Robertson on Much More Music in Toronto when he made "Contact From The Underworld Of Red Boy".....He clearly stated that it was the native rhythm and beats that were his first musical influences not the bluesssssss in his guitar playing and that he could really only explore his heritage outside of The Band......He also said that his friends were anticipating his next recording would explore his other cultural background.....Yiddish folk songs?.........Robbie just smiled like.......ya never know........

Then I came upon The Band playing on Ed Sullivan's Show in 1969 performing "Up On Cripple Creek"......Levon and Rick's voices worked so well in this song......When the camera comes up close to Garth he has this out of this world smile......After Ed asks Levon if his name is Lavon or Levon (Helm answers Levon...hmmmmm)......Ed lets the audience know that Levon is originally from upstate New York......;-D

Jon Lyness: Thanks so much for telling me about your favourite music shop in NYC.....While I was there last month I listened to some Dylan boots and one of Van Morrison and Cuby and The Blizzards but I didn't like the sound quality at all......Do ya think I blew it big time?

The new video "Hendrix".....when Jimi was asked who did he like to listen to at the time.....besides Dylan.....The Band......and.........

It is interesting to note how sometimes we take so seriously the posts in this guest book (I have also done this on more than one occasion) while others have absolutely no interest in The Band.....for instance......The Videos of TLW and Woodstock The Lost Performances (The Band play "The Weight").....both of these videos were purchased in used music shops.................


Posted on Fri Aug 31 00:36:43 CEST 2001 from (64.64.94.194)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

Brent: that same new issue of the OXFORD AMERICAN magazine includes an insighful review of the paperback edition of Levon's book on page 184--accompanied by a remarkably strange, psychedelic-tinted photo of The Band (with a bare-chested Levon lying on his back, seemingly asleep, as Robbie stares straight into the camera). Too bad that the magazine is on the brink of bankruptcy, but that's where intelligence and literacy will often get you in the USA these days.

I've been on the road a lot lately, but caught a couple of great FREE performances in the Washington, DC area this month: Dr. John and Felix Cavaliere. Both were wonderful. Go catch them if you get the chance. They like to talk to fans after gigs most of the time, too. They are two of the best ever in my book!


Posted on Fri Aug 31 00:09:38 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

There are so many words in "The Weight" that I doubt he could possibly have written it all on his own. Plus it's hard to reach. Maybe Miss Fanny provided additional space?


Posted on Thu Aug 30 23:56:28 CEST 2001 from atmax-4-35.enter.net (207.16.153.183)

Llittle Brøther

From: Upper Darby by way of Philadelphia, PA, USA

I always thought it was "The Wait".


Posted on Thu Aug 30 23:46:55 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

pehr

...or would he be rrrr?


Posted on Thu Aug 30 23:28:31 CEST 2001 from spider-tl072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.207)

Amanda

Ohhh...the question was...did RR right it on his own or on someone else's? I'll have to reflect on that one.

Favorite Band Song: Up On Cripple Creek

Being the revealed Exotic Dancer that I am....I have to say that I love Rag Mama Rag because you can dance to it!!


Posted on Thu Aug 30 23:28:10 CEST 2001 from pc51-134.hiof.no (158.36.51.134)

jh

And Garth is right, of course, music is the greatest healer. On 42nd Street and here, close to the Polar Circle, where we just lost someone near and dear to us. Been going through lots of CDs over the last few days. Garth's CD will be played at the memorial. And right now the "favourite" Band songs seem to be "Ain't No More Cane" and "It Makes No Difference."


Posted on Thu Aug 30 23:17:33 CEST 2001 from (209.100.37.239)

Chris

From: Chicago

Pehr: I'll give that one a try...traffic in Chicago may yield to me yet.

Favorite Band tune: Undeniably "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down". Watch out Levon will tear your heart out with a simple sombitchin drum roll. Have to say that it is followed closely, by Lonesome Suzie and Tears of Rage. Showstoppers without a doubt. Then again I might just be thinkin' out loud.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 23:15:35 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

All my memories. Gather 'round her. Miner's lady. Stranger to blue waters.

Dark and dusty. Painted on the sky. Misty taste of moonshine. Teardrops in my eye...

in my eye?


Posted on Thu Aug 30 23:02:03 CEST 2001 from (216.125.170.204)

Mugs

From: Illinois

I didn't know anyone cared as much about The Band as my best friends and I do until I found this website. Thirty years ago, we spent hours together listening to The Band. Now we're scattered all over the country. When any of us are together, pieces of The Band float out of us: a contest to see who can sound the most like Levon singing "Bayou Sam / From South Louisianne," a quotation from Rick such as "I'd rather die happy, than not die at all," a mention of "Whispering Pines" followed by reverential grunts, all of us together singing the chorus to "Get Up Jake." This website is akin to that. You men and women enlarge my love of The Band. Your knowledge and insights move me. I remember my excitement the first time I read some of your explications of songs by The Band. I told my friends, "These people are as serious about The Band as we are, and they analyze their songs as deeply as scholars of Shakespeare." (That's a sincere compliment. Only The Bard rivals The Band for lasting and profound artistic importance in my life.) So this is an overdue thank you. Thank you to Jan for this site, and thank you to all contributors. I look forward to continuing to learn about and enjoy The Band with you.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 22:39:05 CEST 2001 from dialin-444-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.2.190)

Genne

Favorite Band song - Whispering Pines


Posted on Thu Aug 30 22:35:52 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-123.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.123)

Peter Viney

P.S. If I have to be Peter Vinney, then it should be Jann, Patt and Diammond Lill, and Amandda in the same movie.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 22:28:58 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-098.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.98)

Peter Viney

Ben: thought you'd made that movie up, but on investigation it was "long thought to be a figment of the imagination until a print turned up". I bow to your expertise. But is my character a positive one?

Favourite Band song: The Weight (actually King Harvest but I'm avoiding disharmony here).


Posted on Thu Aug 30 22:17:02 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

Pehr

Chris: your TLW moment reminds me of mine, the look on Levon's face during the "Shape I'm in". I us that face in traffic during rush hour. Great results too I might add.

Favorite Band song might be "Shape I'm in" too!


Posted on Thu Aug 30 22:13:09 CEST 2001 from 1cust3.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.54.3)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Someone else's what? Please clarify.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 22:09:53 CEST 2001 from spider-tm033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.58)

Amanda

From: SC

"The Weight"????? Hmmmmm.....I think he had some help......


Posted on Thu Aug 30 20:32:27 CEST 2001 from spider-wi044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.39)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Great choice Crabby. Now tell me this, do you really believe Robbie wrote it on his own ?

Or did he write on someone else's ?


Posted on Thu Aug 30 20:07:32 CEST 2001 from 1cust246.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.57.246)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Mmmm... let's see. Regular posters leaving the GB... Other posters begging them to reconsider and stay... I think "Favorite Band Songs" is next.

I pick "The Weight."


Posted on Thu Aug 30 20:00:57 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

From: The Rumor
Web page

A couple of plugs: first, for my buddy Pat Puckett's new website at http://www.patpuckettband.com. He'll have a new CD out this fall and you can listen to some mp3s on the site. I'm still pestering him to cover "It Makes No Difference"- he's a major Band fan.

Second, I just received the Oxford American's 5th Annual Southern Music Issue, and it's a keeper. I'm pretty sure I've seen the magazine mentioned here before, but for those who aren't familiar, check out http://www.oxfordamericanmag.com/. The CD included Mississippi Fred McDowell, Bob Dylan and Ralph Stanley, Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton, and tons of other good stuff. Check it out.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 19:52:41 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

ROAD WARRIORS

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE PHILLY SEAMSTRESS AND a ROAD WARRIOR, DAWNNA FROM PA.. 27 and goin strong, ahem!!!


Posted on Thu Aug 30 19:51:28 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Sometimes I feel like I'm lost in the rain, somewhere down around Juarez on resurrection day. At times like these, as my sense of gravity fails me, I know all this negativity won't pull me through. Somewhere, way off in the distance I hear music, and as I move towards the sound, I regain my balance.

Brother Don Pugatch and all the fortunate few that made the trek to Woodstock this past weekend have the right idea. We all need a fresh dose of music -- MUSIC performed live, in the present tense, to cleanse the soul.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 18:11:26 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

I hear her voice in the morning hours as she calls me. The radio reminds of my home, far away. Driving down the road I get a feeling that I shoulda been home yesterday...

Yesterday?


Posted on Thu Aug 30 18:10:27 CEST 2001 from hse-toronto-ppp261608.sympatico.ca (64.230.32.39)

brown eyed girl

From: cabbagetown

IRIE BIRTHDAY TO DONNA FROM PA!!!!!

"...And in the sweetness of friendship
Let there be laughter
And a sharing of pleasures."

I will send the Barn Burners photos from the Silver Dollar on your special day.

By the way....Ms. Wobbertson sends birthday greetings too.... :-DD


Posted on Thu Aug 30 17:54:41 CEST 2001 from (205.211.160.1)

Jerry Tenenbaum

From: Toronto

John. As someone who looks forward to the insights which YOU provide with respect to one of my inspirational and fulfilling writer(s)/peformer(s) (the other is Bob Dylan, as you know) I ask you to reconsider. I look at your comments as relevant, academic and view their import as major. The Band is an emotion to me and your writings are always welcome and taken with great seriousness by me. I cannot judge others but suggest that any response (positive or negative) demonstrates the seriousness and importance that everyone (supporters and detractors) gives to your insights and comments. I suggest that that you "write on" and continue to lift Jan's important site about BAND-ISSUES to the high level which it deserves. Whatever you decide, good luck and thanks.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 17:50:37 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

From: back to bassman, not lee, and not to be confused with THAT Lee.

So what is the value of this forum? Obviously for many of us it is a compulsion, either to post frequently (often with little provocation or point) or to read obsessively. It is unfortunate that the flippant and inflammatory comments are those most likely to elicit response rather than the thoughtful, which often seem to disappear quietly like a stone down a dry well. And the feuds and time-worn controversies bob to the surface as new participants travel down the ruts in the road, an indication at least that there ARE new participants who are just discovering the music and legacy of these fine musicians that have been part of our lives for many years. (Since the Jurassic, at least.)

The much-scorned Road Runner thread, which I thought a hoot, may actually be more enlightening than anything. Besides the literary DHM symbolism that Road Runner and Robbie Robertson can both be referred to as “RR”, the cartoon bird’s trademark is a sound that we all immediately recognize. We have heard it a thousand times, it is known all around the world, it is almost part of our subconscious. Yet we all hear it differently, and we can not agree on an exact description of how it goes. Let alone what it means. Kind of like music, including that which is endlessly discussed and dissected in this forum.

Although a relative “newbie” myself, my music listening and purchases have been greatly influenced by my reading the GB. Although I have been a fan of The Band for many years - I have very vivid memories of purchasing “Cahoots” when it first came out and could tell you where I bought it and how much I probably paid for it - coming here has rekindled my relationship with their music, and for that I am grateful. In the short time since starting to visit here I’ve been moved to acquire: The ROA reissue (which I already had on LP and CD), Moondog Matinee (first time purchased), Brown album (had on LP), Before the Flood, “Robbie Robertson”, Jericho, High On The Hog, Jubilation, Sea to the North, and JAM. I’ve dusted off vinyl copies of Rick’s solo LP, NLSC, Islands, Cahoots, Dylan’s Planet Waves and George Harrison’s “All Things Must Pass” that I’ve not listened to in years. (Contrary to a recent post that “REAL men listen to old scratchy vinyl”, real OLD men do OWN old scratchy vinyl.) As a result of visiting here, I’ve re-examined “The Basement Tapes”, although I already had it but never really warmed to it. (Still haven’t, actually. I prefer to listen to the outtakes on the Brown CD). As to the value of this place, I feel it is often higher when the discussion does wander a degree or two of separation from the center. Discussion or mention of prompted me to purchase the following: Donovan’s “Sutras”, Maria Muldaur’s “Richland Woman Blues”, a set of three early Chet Atkins records, Little Feat’s “Chinese Work Songs”, among others. I now have a desire to hear disks by Bobby Charles, of whom I had never heard, and John Simon, who I did not know ever released records under his own name until yesterday. I’ve enjoyed the enlightening posts of Mr. Viney, Pat Brennan, and others, as well as the amusing repartee of Hank, JTull, Bob Wigo, and others. Yes, there are occasional bouts of ca-ca flinging by people who apparently DIDN’T pay attention in Kindergarten, but overall, my life has been made just a little more pleasant by the visiting here. (And I now have a friend in Nigeria who is going to make me wealthy beyond my wildest dreams, and all the spam I can ever need!) I can’t imagine voluntarily “checking out of the GB”. Thanks, Jan, and thanks to y’all in here. Welcome Susan!

And it’s definitely “mbeep-mbeep”.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 16:16:48 CEST 2001 from 24-159-102-250.hsacorp.net (24.159.102.250)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell, Ga
Web page

For all those missing the live Music scene this summer, sorry, but Septmeber 11,2001 seems to be the date of releasing new music. As well as the new Hiatt, the new Bob Dylan will also be released. Samplers are available on both the Bob Dylan web site, as well as 3 others on AudioGalaxy. If the 4 I have heard are a taste, then bring on the meal. Vintage lyrics from Mr. Bobby, even some Shakespearein connotation(spelling-sorry). Same to be said on the new Hiatt, samplers, plus live cuts from his recent concerts on the BB tour.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 15:55:37 CEST 2001 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

From: Illinois

While others are checking out (I hope just for a rest, because I enjoy their posts) I've decided to take the plunge.

Mr guerilla: I too have been visiting here for about six months I've been listening to The Band pretty exclusively for the last several months. I followed them in my youth up through Rock of Ages and then unaccountably lost track. I think I was in my British folk period. So I had a bunch of new albums to discover, and I found them just in time to buy them as remasters.

I've been making lists of other things to check out from the wonderful, knowlegable people on this list, but so far The Band finds a place in my player most of the time. No doubt I'll listen less intensly at some point, but I think now I'm just giving my ears a treat and an education, learning to listen for parts, and to dissect, if you will. Perhaps you just need an antidote or contrast to the dance and hip hop you listen to professionally. I know most of that does little or nothing for me. I'm probably in a roots rock period.

About dissecting music - I really like it when you all do that. I used to play the flute, very badly, but I really have musically uneducated ears. I can hear parts when someone points them out but tend to float along on the surface of music. I'm learning to listen for the bass, and just beginning to figure out what is going on with drums other than timekeeping. Incidently, Rick's bass seems to blend in so well that I have a really hard time finding it most of the time. My body feels it, but my ears don't find it as a seperate line.

I have no idea how this is going to look in the GB. After this I should have a better idea how this thing works and produce more readable posts.

I just tried preview. It looks decent, in spite of my uncertainty about what to do with line breaks.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 15:32:16 CEST 2001 from (209.100.37.239)

Chris

From: Chicago

Sonuvabitch! Look what's happenin' in this confounded guestbook. Everyone's headin' for the hills. Well folks highwater always retreats. Come back when you feel like wading in.

No real answer yet to the question about why John Simon wasn't involved after the Jericho album.

Perhaps Knockin' Lost John could respond, or John D., or Paul Godfrey.

Speaking from an entirely selfish point of view...my favorite kind...no one may leave this guestbook without sharing one piece of Band bootleg material with me. Fer christ sakes I've been coming to this site for years and I never got around to trading and now...now...blast I hope it's not too late.

On a different note...my favorite part of the entire Last Waltz is the look on Levon's face as they start come back in on the second verse of Dixie. The whole song just soars from there. Unbelievable performance with good ol' Lee looking stronger than dirt.

Just an observation. Anyone else want to share a favorite part?



Posted on Thu Aug 30 14:58:13 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Lost John, and the rest of you: AW C'MON. So what if we are telling the same old war stories over and over and arguing about the same things. It's still nice and where else will you find people suffering from the very same psychosis?:) In the spirit of Rockin' Chair, let's 'listen once again to the stale jokes, that big rockin' chair won't go nowhere...'


Posted on Thu Aug 30 14:36:56 CEST 2001 from spider-wi052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.42)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Will the last person out of the Guestbook please turn out the lights ?


Posted on Thu Aug 30 12:45:32 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp38.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.38)

Diamond Lil

Ben Pike: Well..you know what they say..."Life is a Carnival". I don't however see you as an audience identification member. Somehow 'Dunking Booth' comes to mind :-)

KLJ: It's difficult in a forum such as this for everyone to respond to everything. As someone not as musically knowledgeable as alot of folks here, I sometimes read a great post and want to reply..but really have to think about what I want to say...and usually by the time I've got it..that topic is long gone and there's a whole thread of roadrunner posts happening.
Anyhow, speaking for myself, just because I don't reply, doesn't mean I'm not reading.. or thinking. I've learned just as much from discussions I've not been involved in as I have by discussions I've joined. So.. stay KLJ (hmm..Im a poet :-)

Have a good day everyone. Hug to 'Johnny D'.. who I hope is reading and will be back soon!


Posted on Thu Aug 30 12:18:48 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-136.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.136)

Peter Viney

With trepidation- Are we dissecting music and does it make sense to do so? When the vast majority here listen to any music at all, they’ll think … not even think … be aware because so many have played musical instruments …‘double bass … not bass guitar. Nice left hand on the piano there. Great bass drum sound …’ Interestingly, many people don’t do that at all when they they listen to music. It comes across as holistic. If you’ve ever tried to learn any instrument, then you probably do know that (e.g.) there’s a plucked violin or a tambourine on a record. Some composers have suggested that the ability NOT to dissect the music at all is a great advantage that they will never be able to recapture. Some synth music restores this experience because the parts or bits are unfamiliar sounds (and one of the joys of “Sea to the North’ is the way it blends into a musical experience than stops me at least thinking, ah, he’s on sax now).

So with words. The best rock songs suggest without ever being absolutely clear. Folk ballads tell a straight narrative story – and so not much of The Band’s output does this. “Long Black Veil” is an exception, and the triumph of “Dixie” is that while it does tell a story it leaves enough enigma around the edges. John D mentioned how his teachers killed Shakespeare by dissecting it. Know what he means, but that’s bad dissection. On Tuesday I went to see the Peter Brooks’ “Tragedy of Hamlet” in London. On the way back, my sons reckoned they’d found parts of it hard to follow (never having read it). Because Brooks had cut it severely and altered the sequence, I thought a lot of plot had got lost. But for me, the text was transparent, because I studied it for two years and it got dissected. So “bring fardels to bear” and being “hoist with his own petard” (actually that line was cut on Tuesday) are understood. My English teacher for Shakespeare had come out of retirement to teach us and was a filthy-tempered and unforgiving soul, but he knew his subject. I’ll never forget our shock (this would have been 1964) when he went purple with embarrassment, as he explained that it was his duty to tell us that in Shakespeare’s day, Hamlet’s line to Ophelia (after asking to lie in her lap), ‘Let us now speak of country matters,’ would have seen a deliberate pause between the two parts of ‘country’. With ‘-ry’ rather than ‘-try’ being the second part. Dictionaries, he went on, divided the syllables at ‘-try’. Shakespeare meant to shock by dividing it at –ry. In 60s performances, the pause was NEVER there, and none of us would have got the point unaided. In the 70s it was sometimes long and deliberate. Nowadays it’s usually there, but slight and subtle. Because it was dissected (and often the dissectors got it wrong, leading to discussion) the enjoyment of the play was enhanced. In other words, I don’t think dissecting Shakespeare destroys it, but doing it badly and without reference to the life of the plays. And so with the writings of RR …


Posted on Thu Aug 30 07:30:18 CEST 2001 from 112-pool1.ras10.inind.tii-dial.net (206.148.224.112)

Jon

From: Missouri

Enjoyed the Garth CD. Please send Barnburners ASAP. Must have, I need real music. Contemporary artists lacking. Good whiskey deserves good music.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 07:09:53 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.208.64.33.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.64.33)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Ben, no fair. You have Jan in there twice and I'm not there at all.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 07:02:30 CEST 2001 from spider-wo054.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.44)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

What strikes me is how much the current melase in the GB reminds me of the charactors and situations in the film "The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living And Became Mixed Up Zombies." Jerry, the protagonist, is much like the carefree but somehow haunted Peter Vinney, with Jan much like Harold, the foregin charactor sidekick who's hair is way to high and yet somehow senses Jerry's problems. The Carnival midway, is of course, the midway itself, with a troubled exotic dancer not unlike Amanda. The crazed gypsy woman is of course Dimond Lil, She hypnoitzes others, but of course has been hypnotized hereself(by the mainstream media conserning Bill Clinton.) The deformed Ortaga is of course Jan, who can throw acid in your face(or remove your post, perhaps?) And of course I am the audience identification charactor, the passive Madison who just takes it all in. And at the end, everyone runs down the beach.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 05:47:29 CEST 2001 from as8-d133-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.133)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Well, not to steal John D's thunder, but I too am about to sign outa here for good.

I believe I've discussed about everything I can with myself, since the majority of my posts have been ignored, except for when I've occasionally pissed people off, which is, after all, unavoidable in this type of setting.

Don't get me wrong, I will NOT stop visiting the site, and will probably take a sneak peek at the GB now and then, but my posting days are done.

I've made a couple of good friends here, but the constant attacks for simply voicing opinions coupled with the fact that much of what I type is wasted time and energy has kinda blown the wind outa my sails.

Anyway, after the Last Waltz and the NEW Boxed Set are released next year, there will be nothing new to discuss.

And as for Levon and the Crowmatix, they're both great, as are the Honky Tonk Gurus. But there's really not much to discuss there. I'll buy the CD's (if they ever get done), and that's that. What is there to discuss?

Who wrote what? Who cares?

It's all getting tired.

Besides, my Band collection has been made pretty much complete thanx to fellow Band fans in here (except for Port Dover, which I have asked for help in getting SEVERAL times). I'm ALWAYS willing to help any others get their hands on some rare stuff that I have. Don't know why that one's so hard to get ahold of.

Anyway, more than likely, most will ignore this post as well, and I'm probably basically writing a letter to myself here.

The Band is over, kinda. I mean, the recorded work will be there long after we all are gone.

I wonder if people will be visiting an updated version of this site in 3001? Surely they will still be arguing about songwriting credits instead of SHARING the love for the music.

So, my fairweather friends, I bid you adios: Diamond Lil, Peter V, John D, Cris, Tommy, MattK, Jan, and whatever the hell DID happen to Goddfrey?

"Shine On!!!!!!!!!!!!" as he said, shortly after one of my first posts 3 years ago.



Posted on Thu Aug 30 04:17:56 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.208.64.33.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.64.33)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

John Donabie, you sumabitchin' half-French Canadian DJ you, get your behind back here before I come up there and wrestle you to the ground.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 04:14:08 CEST 2001 from m198214182084.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.182.84)

Pehr

John D (if you are still reading this guestbook) I know a little about how you must feel. I get disillusioned with alot of the stuff that comes out on this forum and It's great to be a fan in private so you dont have to tangle interactively with the knotheads over what really brings joy into your life thru the musical ministry and meanderings of this coolest of all rock groups. I hope you dont stray too far from the campfire.

I think about giving this place up once in a while when some of the negativity gets too obnoxious too. I take a hiatus now and then just to break the routine. I just got back from a great trip up east myself and didn't even see a computer for a week. I selfishly hope John, that maybe like me you'll be a sucker for punishment and come back and keep on posting. It's always nice to hear from you.

Paul Godfrey's out there somewhere too I hope you shine on in soon!

I had a great experience driving the Pennsylvania Turnpike thinking about how the beautiful country inspires so much great music. I was driving a little fast and listening to Coltrane with the music loud and the fan cranked in my face to simulate the wind! It was really beautiful. Also dug driving into northern Vermont listening to Brown Album and "Whispering Pines" a bunch of times. Oh well, TTFN :) :):):]


Posted on Thu Aug 30 04:09:03 CEST 2001 from spider-wa074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.54)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Could be you are just coming back down to earth after an incredible high John?!?!... I'd be kicking the cat and yellin' at the kids myself... except I've been outta work a wee bit... and my brothers-in-law are starting to treat me like a lone Indian coming in off the ice... so I gotta be careful about displays... anyway, I'd say split for a wee bit, yes... BUT definitely come back... otherwise people might start treating you like a lone French-Canadian coming in off the ice... anyway, Hank's right about the song writing... Dylan's upstream from everyone except that guy named Public Domain... and so he could fix this whole thing in a few years by just doing a different Band cover each time he puts out a new CD...~:^)

P.S. - I've got my fedora on... a hat which both Levon and Robbie have worn... mine's a green Filson though...


Posted on Thu Aug 30 03:29:12 CEST 2001 from as3-2-177.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.195.35)

Dave Hopkins

From: Berkeley, CA

I'm checking back in after a cross-country move, and it looks like a lot happened while I was gone -- especially Garth's concert, which seems to have been an unqualified success. I'm especially glad that so many Guestbook denizens were able to attend and represent the rest of us at such an important event!

I must admit to thinking "here we go again" when the songwriting war horse came up, but I think this was the most thoughtful and substantive discussion of the issue that I can remember. And the points made about John Simon are dead-on. Much time is spent, and deservedly, extolling the virtues of the song quality on the first two albums, but in addition (and just as importantly, in my opinion) those two albums are also the best *produced* of all the Band's work. If Simon had been allowed input during the Cahoots or Moondog or NLSC sessions, I'd like to think he would have made valuable contributions to the sound of those albums as well. I also think that Simon's insight into the Great Songwriting Question, and his explanation of the difference between the "old" and "new" systems, can be quite useful to those of us interested in the issue.

Finally, I hope all the regular GB posters remain active members of this little virtual community. Aside from their knowledge and insight, they often demonstrate how reasonable people can disagree about an issue which maintaining mutual respect -- a refreshing skill indeed.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 03:24:29 CEST 2001 from 210-55-236-20.static-dialup.xtra.co.nz (210.55.236.20)

Rod

From: NZ
Web page

Alot gets written here about the four "other" guys being devoted to The Band and Robbie being the one who was keen to break it up and do his own thing. The other side of the coin was that some of them had serious substance abuse problems that made it difficult for them to perform live and prevented them from being on top of their musical games. I can fully understand why under these circumstances Robbie might want to call it a day. Listen to some of the outakes from TLW. Listen also to the bonus tracks on Moondog.More often than not it's just Robbie, Garth and Levon. It may well be that this was a symptom of the bad feelings within the group. My point is that they weren't all doing theie best to ensure The Band had any kind of future.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 03:08:46 CEST 2001 from dialup-304.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.48)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

John D.........if you're still reading The GB......don't go.........I always enjoy your informative and passionate posts and hope one day maybe to meet you......and we could talk Band, Music and GB...........

Here's to that day....or, most probably, night!!.........at a Barnburners gig, perhaps!

I look forward to meeting ANYBODY from here.....even if they've been negative or insulting to me......what are they gonna do to me?......insult me to my face?......so what?....I'm 38, been insulted to my face before and survived.......I can probably play and sing ANY Band song better than them.........so, I win........ I'll MAKE these insulting posters LOVE me....

LOVE is The SWEETEST Revenge..........plus, I've seen The Band, I've hung out with Rick and met Levon.........what MORE can I do?......get Garth to play on my next record? (Well, yeah.......yeah!)........meet RR?.......probably a very easy thing to do if you've got enuff bread and the inclination to hang around the vicinity of his office in Cali....or WHEREVER he hangs.....Big Shmeal........I got my hip cards punched a LONG time ago and don't give a hoot about the way I might be insulted to my face or in Cyberspace, baby...........act as weird and as scary or obnoxious as you might perceive yourself.........it's laughable by the time it reaches me here in Cork.........It's part of what makes this forum so addictivly enjoyable.......this is not to mention, of course, the wonderful insights I've gained about The Band, their music, their history and their influence since I started coming here......I mean , I got computer-shy Band Head buddies who pitch things at me to suss out from you guys......so, really, John D......don't go........we need ya.........


Posted on Thu Aug 30 02:45:47 CEST 2001 from (137.187.144.172)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD

John D don't go.

Hank is a GB original.

Listen to Diamond Lil, kids.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 02:09:35 CEST 2001 from spider-wb014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.154)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Ashokan Farewell: Thanks for the info. on this. I have the CD and as a 'fan' of the Civil War(and a graduate student of it too) there is something sublime about the way this song emotionally sums up the whole event. On SONGWRITING: There are elements the '90's Band bring to there versions of Willie McTell, Atlantic City, and others that are not there in the original versions which bring them to a higher plane.Doesn't mean they wrote them though. I am sure there are snippets of songs and of course whole inspirations for songs which Robbie got from the other guys, but deemed not significant enough to get a credit. It is not for me to decide where the line is as I was not there. However, it is clear that RR had career ambitions beyond that of the other members, and positioned himself within the group and used that position to achieve them, ie the idea for the Last Waltz to launch a film career then on to Dreamworks etc. Nothing necessarily wrong with this, however it does seem that the other guys were more interested in being 'The Band' vs moving on to bigger things. Unfortunately, they became aware of the process at a point where it was no longer in their ability to change things; contracts were written, credits given, money distributed etc. Robbie may have had the legal right in this but the rest felt betrayed and the only way to react was to impugn RR's legitimacy, and that was easiest done via attacking his song credits. Personally if I had to side, I pick Levon, Rick and Garth over Robbie. I want to see them win! Yet I know that Robbie did write most (though perhaps not all) of what he is credited with. Maybe he is an SOB, maybe he isn't, but they let him run the store at a crucial time in the early '70's and this is the sad result. That said, with few exceptions, I find little to like in Robbie's solo work, and would prefer to here the Post-Robbie Band perform the Alphabet Song to some of what he has done. I ordered Garth's CD today, which is more than I will do for Robbie's next work.If you like Robbie's solo stuff please don't take this personally; it's not an attack on you or your tastes.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 01:36:37 CEST 2001 from atmax-4-35.enter.net (207.16.153.183)

Little Brøther

From: TILT!

I've listened to the Garth CD a couple of times and present this analogy:

Somehow I missed the whole video game scene; "Pong" was born somewhere during my drug-addled teens, but I only dabbled in it. Intellivision and Atari, and arcade games like Pac-Man and Space Invaders eluded me. Somehow my geekhood and attraction to flashing colored photon patterns never got focused enough to invest the time and money to acquire decent skill.

Then recently I found a new way to play the ONE kind of addictive arcade game I knew: pinball. I picked up this Microsoft Arcade program that recreates several classic pinball tables on my PC.

The most recent one, dated 1992, is called "Cue Ball Wizard"; I sort of saved it until I was fairly bored with the other choices, and ended up trying it just about when I got Garth's CD.

"Cue Ball Wizard" is a dazzling, blinding, buzzing, blooming array of flashing colors and multi-level surfaces. It's trippy and exciting and overwhelming. And I don't know what the hell I'm looking at. I might play ten or fifteen games, and my score varies wildly.

I know there's some kind of scheme or system or at least interrelationship between all these blinking and spinning parts, but so far my head hasn't accomplished squat in terms of analysis. I'm having fun, but for the moment I just let the ball fly and pump those damn flippers and nudge from left, right, or center at random and wonder if my fingers and eyeballs will figure it out eventually.

And that's how the Garth CD is affecting me. Obviously, it's on a much higher and refined plane than some dumb-ass pinball game. Over my head, for sure. I "get" some of it, just like I "get" that if the ball shoots up THAT ramp it seems to pop out of THIS chute. But I'm reduced to exclaiming, "Wow!" with mingled awe and confusion. My ears are the flippers, by the way, waggling spastically and just trying to keep the game alive.

I admire and envy those who can appreciate the CD more fully. And I think it would be too easy to just jump on that bandwagon, so I thought I'd share this in case there are other Garth fans who feel a little more distanced from this CD than they'd care to admit.

I have a whole 'nother wordy analogy, comparing the CD to a rich and complex multi-course gourmet meal and feeling slightly queasy at having my meat and potatoes tastes challenged.

I blame my deteriorating sensibilities on involuntarily becoming clean & sober.

Anyway, is it wrong to hope that Garth's work as a so-called "sideman" won't end? Because he gives the "side" more center and depth than anyone I know.

PS: Hank, you the man. John D, remember two things: Don't throw out the Barbie with the bilgewater, and you can't straighten a snake by pulling it through a straw.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 01:36:58 CEST 2001 from grmn-189ppp136.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.136)

Lil Again

Oh and John..as I peek out from under my hat here.. please stay.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 01:34:39 CEST 2001 from grmn-189ppp136.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.136)

Diamond Lil

Step away from your computers. Put on "Sea to the North". Don your funkiest hat and look at yourself in the mirror. There. A guaranteed smile :-)


Posted on Thu Aug 30 01:14:16 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

John, I add my chorus to the request you not take yourself out. For what it's worth, a scan of the posts since you provided your excellent observations show only thanks and congratulations for you thoughts and photos. The songwriting thread seems to have been started in response to the comment regarding "American Son" being somehow indicative of something, vis-a-vis songwriting.

I'm sorry you find such threads useless, but honestly, the current discussion in no way revolves around you or anything you said. I suggest the concerns regarding "taking things personally" is a result of precisely what you are doing right now. I don't mean for that to sound insulting, but if any of us don't want to take part in any given thread (even if it's to object to it), then we are certainly free to do so.

all the best

Matt


Posted on Thu Aug 30 01:12:34 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-118-228.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.118.228)

BWNWITennessee

From: Bang your head

Since Garth played with Marrianne Faithful, I guess that gives us a Band/Metallica connection, and thus, a Band/Motorhead/Ozzy Osborne/Axl Rose connection. Would have loved to have heard what Garth could have done on "Orgasmatron."


Posted on Thu Aug 30 00:55:10 CEST 2001 from ti29a67-0078.dialup.online.no (130.67.140.78)

Anita Kvarmesbakk

From: Norway

Hi! My name is Anita. I'm a 28 years old girl, from Norway. I love your music!!! My favourits are, "Native Americans" and "Contact from the underworld of Redboy"!


Posted on Thu Aug 30 00:44:30 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-065.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.65)

Peter Viney

I'm not alone in always looking forward to the headings "John D." and "Hank" on posts as I scroll through. Both are enjoyable and informative. Sometimes it feels negative around here, but PLEASE stick with us John! On songwriting, someone with a fast link and time should compile 200 to 300 (or more) past posts on the subject entitled "everything you always wanted to know about the songwriting issue." But I suspect it will re-emerge, because no one has time to review the archives! It remains something that Levon clearly feels bad about, and as we get new visitors, they're going to want to discuss it, and old hands will restate their positions. Inevitable.


Posted on Thu Aug 30 00:30:52 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Ya know......This post isn’t going to be very eloquent; but I’m not feeling eloquent at the moment. Now I'm reading about songwriting posts getting personal etc etc etc. Once and for all I was just stating an observation re: Garth. It was NOT frigin' personal. I am so tired of having to explain myself.

And you know what kids....in actuality, I really don't give a flying you know what who wrote what! It doesn't put anything in my bank account and I won't sleep any better. I am going to stop posting altogether. I attempt to do an overture to what I'm about to say so that everyone knows where I’m coming from. I'm just writing clinically and I get nailed every time and after that beautiful few days in Bearsville, I'm not going to play this little game anymore. I realize that this is the passionate French-Canadian side of my family coming out and it feels damn good! I was much happier in life when I just listened to the music. My English Lit teachers ruined Shakespeare for me by dissecting the crap out of it and it's now happening to me here. I'm going back to the music.

I'm getting too old for this. Go back to the Roadrunner and Cat Mother stories…..I’ll focus on the Barnburners, Gurus etc. and the future. There are those in the guestbook who say.....if your not happy leave. You know what! Their right. Nothing worse than a winer and that's how I feel looking at this post in preview mode; but I'm sending it out there anyway.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 23:30:19 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia
Web page

Many questions regarding John Simon's involvement with The Band over the years are addressed in another interview that Lee Gabites conducted with Mr. Simon. That interview, entitled "The Truth, the Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth", can also be found in the articles section. Click on the web page link above for a shortcut to that interview.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 22:00:00 CEST 2001 from (209.100.37.239)

Chris

From: Chicago

Pat: It sure is a great day. However, the stale air inside the Sears Tower hasn't changed much. Can't leave till I've hoed my row so to speak. I don't mind choppin wood and I don't care that the money's no good...but dammit why can't I get some fresh air.

Don't take my last comment about John Simon as being any sort of commentary on The Professor and the boys job of production. I know Aaron was involved in Jericho as well. I guess I was just wondering why John wasn't involved in HOH or Jubilation.

Bones: I think the "He could be so cold" (or did he just smile shake his head and say "cold") was from the "authorized video"...if not it is from the VH1 classic albums video. I'll check tonight.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 21:45:00 CEST 2001 from spider-wi031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.31)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

.....with a gangsta' lean.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 21:33:41 CEST 2001 from dialup-209.244.66.70.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (209.244.66.70)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Chris, you ol' sonofabitch, I agree completely that people get awfully personal when the songwriting discussion breaks out, and I personally hope that never happens again. However, as just evidenced, the songwriting discussion can occur--and interesting threads develop--without the heat. You yourself liked the Simon thread that developed from the subject you wanted to avoid.

More importantly, it's a perfect day here in Chicago. Why aren't you out on Michigan Avenue digging the scene?


Posted on Wed Aug 29 21:27:28 CEST 2001 from dialup-086.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.86)

Hank

From: Cork City
Web page

uh.......oops!


Posted on Wed Aug 29 21:27:09 CEST 2001 from spider-wi031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.31)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

It seems they travel in packs.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 21:23:08 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

From: CT

Chris: What "authorized biography" are you talking about? I know the video claims to be authorized, but that quote is not in it. Did that come from Levon's autobiograhy??

This takes me to another point. John Simon ought to write the definitive book on the Band. He sees everybody for what they are, and does not appear to hold grudges. He made comments about Robbie being more business-oriented and cold at times, but at the same time credits his songwriting abilities and played on TV with him shortly after Contact From The Underworld of Redboy was released. His interviews from the classic albums video are wonderful.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 21:10:03 CEST 2001 from host213-123-13-201.btinternet.com (213.123.13.201)

Bayloggz

From: England

this may sound stupid to you hardcore Mariane Faithful fans but is this the Marianne Faithful who did some vocals on 'The Memory Remains' by Metallica on Reload? If not then it doesnt matter much but if it is then why is it nowhere on this site that she did it?


Posted on Wed Aug 29 20:17:17 CEST 2001 from stjhts26c119.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.241.124)

Java

From: around

Matt K, sorry for confusing you with Hank. Furthermore,I know I made a comment about Maud's weight and I was out of line, I apologize. But I don't believe I have been obscene or downright rude to anybody. But you must admit, the topics around here do get rather stale at times. Gotta breathe some new life into u dinosaurs, sorry couldn't resist. Anyway, after the Maud comment several people told me not to make fun of a person with a disability. In all sincerity, all I know about her is that she is Garths wife and that she is, from the pictures I saw, overweight. I asked about the disability and no one had the courtesy to inform me. I even asked the exhalted Mr.Hoiberg but he has yet to answer. I have limits to my joking and fooling around and I draw the line at making fun of people with disabilities. If I had known I would not have said what I did. My sincerest apologies to Maud.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 19:59:49 CEST 2001 from (209.100.37.239)

Chris

From: Chicago

You sonsabitches are hilarious. It's like a choir of magpies going off all at once.

Sorry for the bullshit comment. It just seems that while some people can keep it on the level about the songwriting issue it invariably trudges us right through the same old muck and sniping.

I simply am under the impression that there is not that much new ground to cover regarding the songwriting issue. For example, if your wife gives you a snazzy shirt for your birthday...that you really love...it just wouldn't be the same if she gave you the same shirt for Christmas...and Valentines Day...

Some folks can really impress themselves with the clever ways that they reword the same points...over and over and over...etc.

That being said, from the conversation came the John Simon comment which I think is accurate and speaks more about the music than who did this and who did that. I always thought of John Simon as the George Martin figure in the picture. The one with really excellent taste for what worked and what didn't, and the ability to draw from the band what was needed. Jericho is a stronger album than the rest of post RR as a direct result. I wonder what happened after Jericho. Why stray from John again?

In the authorized biography John talks about when he asked to join and RR makes the three keyboards comment. John's comment was "He could be real cold man."



Posted on Wed Aug 29 19:54:17 CEST 2001 from spider-tn041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.61)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa
Web page

LDO, I second that emotion. I too, thoroughly enjoy reading Hank's musings. He tells tales from a musician's perspective and he knows from where he speaks.

Hank, let me know when you're crossing the pond again so I can clear my gig schedule to see you perform. Keep it goin'.....


Posted on Wed Aug 29 19:53:50 CEST 2001 from (216.32.87.225)

Jason

From: maine

if anyone knows where i might be able to pick up a copy of the re-release of Danko, Fjeld, and Andersen album called "One More Shot" could someone please email me and let me know. i've been looking and can't find it on any music sites. please i'm desperate......


Posted on Wed Aug 29 18:13:52 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

JTullfan, I checked out j-tull.com. Your man Ian is looking quite buff these days - nice arms, especially.



Posted on Wed Aug 29 18:08:17 CEST 2001 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.218.187.47)

Long Distance Operator

From: The Guestbook Basement

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, delivers more consistently brilliant and thought-provoking commentary on the Band (and music in general) to this guestbook than the esteemed Hank Wedel from Cork. Anybody who takes issue is merely jealous.

Rock on.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 17:22:50 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia
Web page

Everything you wanted to know about John Simon (but were afraid to ask) can be found in a fine article & interview written by Lee Gabites. It was originally printed in Jawbone magazine and has been included by Jan in the library section of this website under misc. articles. For a shortcut to this informative piece, just click on the web page link above.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 17:00:15 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.169)

Amanda

From: SC

Gee..Senor Guerilla..I would say if 90% of your music listening time is used being engrossed by The Band..you are doing quite well! Maybe Bossman needs a little reconditioning! Regarding all the in depth discussions on this GB..I can only hope to expand my knowledge that much. Between three sons, two of which are toddler twins, PTA, football practice, gourmet meals and working on my novel about a Deep Ellum Groupie....I find the occasion everyday to give ear to The Band. Oh yes...I may skip a day or two of Bob Dylan. A day without Mr. Helm's voice....well that just doesn't (and couldn't & wouldn't) happen around this humble dwelling. A gal has to have her virtues.....


Posted on Wed Aug 29 15:20:09 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Hank, John Simon worked on Big Pink, The Band, and TLW. He had nothing to do with the other albums recorded by the original quintet. Supposedly he stopped in an visited a few times during the recording of Stagefright, but otherwise, never held an official title, other than that of "producer" on the first two records.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 14:46:15 CEST 2001 from spider-loh-tb071.proxy.aol.com (195.93.33.181)

Mr guerilla

From: London UK

Just a note to say how much I love this site and the education it has given me. I have been visiting the guestbook on and off for two years now, religiously for the past six months and this brings me to my reason for concern. My work is primarily in the dance and hip hop sector but I have always had a broad taste in music with a particular interest in the way music has transformed into its various current forms and its stops along the way. I first saw the Last Waltz five years ago, prior to which I had never heard of The Band but was a great fan of most of the artists who performed alongside them that wonderful night. Over those five years I have gradually delved deeper into their music, for the first three years I was satisfied just to have a couple of compilations and TLW on CD and video however then I purchased Big Pink and The Band and this is when the problems began, I cannot remember a day that I have not listened to The Band in this time. I do not leave the house without my CD player and a wallet of 10 cds. The other day my boss picked up my wallet and discovered that it consisted of Rock of Ages 1 & 2, Moondog Matinee, The Band, Big Pink, TLW 1 & 2 and Stagefright alongside only 2 of the 10 albums we are currently promoting (this has been the norm for some time). After playing him Rocking Chair and telling him my listening to music time consisted of 90% Band he promptly suggested rehab of some sort and reminded me of my obligations. I wanted to ask the regular guestbook readers if this is normal and ask how much of their time is spent listening to The Band, especially considering the in depth discussions on a broad range of artists.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 13:40:35 CEST 2001 from stjhts25c026.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.249.31)

Java

From: Magharafelt

Way to go Sammie. That guy from Cork is awful long winded. Talks a lot about nothing. Fancies hisself as a inteelcual 'e does.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 10:48:44 CEST 2001 from sqd40.nirai.ne.jp (202.239.129.43)

Fred

I just got my copy of Sea To The North....after so much has been said about this CD all I can add is that it's a very interesting and intriguing piece of work/art. I've listened to it several times on the stereo, on the portable CD player and even using the trusted iMac (If any of you have iTunes, playing this CD is quite a "visual" trip) and ever time I tend to pick out an instrument that I hadn't heard during the previous listen. Each song is very inolved. I'm not too keen on the lyrics for The Breakers YET (and I stress the YET). I think Mrs. Hudson has a beautiful voice, but I just can't get into diamond waves and rainbows at the moment (perhaps that's because I seemed to be in a bad mood recently)...perhaps in a while or so I shall come around. I DO think it is, musically, a fabulous tune. So there is still hope for me after all!

Speaking of CDs I just bought the debut CD of a family friend's son's band (that was a mouthful to type!) who is in a Japanese Salsa Band (they actually were invited to play in Cuba this past winter. Don't know if the met Uncle Fidel, though..). What does this have to do with The Band, well one of the tracks is entitled LA VIDA ES UN CARNIVAL...unfortunately it is NOT the version we all know, written by you-know-who, performed BEAUTIFULLY by 4 (FOUR) Canadians and a guy from Arkansas. Which brings me to the following: has anyone ever heard of The Band's songs done in a language other than English (apart from what's on this site)? Just curious.

Someone should tell Mr.Garth to bend the bills on his caps...just an aesthetical observation. Nothing more, nothing less.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 09:00:42 CEST 2001 from twhou-207-218-233-91.ev1.net (207.218.233.91)

Laura Holt Lorfing

From: Houston

Looks like we need to drop kick another "wanker" out of the GB. On another note...being a redheaded irish woman myself ..I don't like the word "Mick" unless you put it with Jagger. Hello to all the friendly GB'ers out there. Maybe the unkind can go elsewhere. PEACE! :)


Posted on Wed Aug 29 08:44:38 CEST 2001 from spider-wl084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.59)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

If some of you would get a copy of "Incredibly Strange Creatures", at least you would have something new to talk about instead of the tired, absurd rehash about who wrote the songs.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 07:01:04 CEST 2001 from 1cust80.tnt30.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.42.158.80)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Someone can't count.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 06:54:33 CEST 2001 from wiley-1-292616.roadrunner.nf.net (205.251.194.118)

Sammy Sauco

From: Sin Jahnz

All you Americans are a bunch of trigger-happy hicks. The Band was 3 talented Canadians and some wanker form Arkansaw. The Mick from Cork better shut up about Robbie Robertson or I'll shove "the coors" up his ass.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 06:42:07 CEST 2001 from 1cust80.tnt30.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.42.158.80)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn
Web page

Jay Ungar whose composition and recording of "Ashokan Farewell" was used as the main theme for Ken Burns' CIVIL WAR PBS series was at one point fiddler with Cat Mother and the All Night Newsboys. He and partner Molly Mason live upstate and have been playing together since the late '70s and Jay is one of the very best fiddlers I've ever heard. I was at the first Band gig at the Fillmore East and remember seeing Cat Mother - how can you forget a name like that? Don't know if Ungar was with them at the time though. (Click above for Jay Ungar website.)


Posted on Wed Aug 29 06:39:45 CEST 2001 from dialup-283.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.27)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

Songwriting?..........'slike fishin'.....some folks master it and consistently pull big ones........some folks get lucky when just doin' it for groove......on a sunny afternoon.......some folks build nets and get tons of the same old fish but everyone eats 'em just the same.........know what I mean?.......there's all kindsa bait and hooks to be used.......and sometimes the river is high and it floods.........just like someones fishin' now.....someone else is writin' a song............sometimes you gotta fight with the fish or fight for the song....sometimes you lose The Fish-Song............so you can't let that SongFish get away......

ahem.........

The problem with The Band and songwriting is that BECAUSE RR didn't generally SING the song.....you GOTTA wonder how much of the final melodic structure actually came outta HIM and NOT outta Levon, Rick and Richard.........I'm not saying RR didn't wite the melodic outline but the blueprint of Levon, Rick and Richard on the recordings are, in some way, evidence of songwriting input from the singers.........I wonder if RR could sit down in front of you and perform "Unfaithful Servant" or "It Makes No Difference" or "Stagefright" or "Dixie" or YOU choose in the way that, say, Paul Simon could sing "Bridge Over Troubled Water" or "The Sounds of Silence"?....songs where he sang only harmonies on the recordings. Jimmy Webb is known to go out and gig his songs and even Brian Wilson, the same........Pete Townsend, no problem.....done it for years.....I know people who PREFER the sound of Townsend to Daltry......

Hey!!!!!...maybe RR COULD......but he DON'T and THAT'S what makes it ALL very hard to fathom

I STILL think of RR as a GREAT songwriter, tho'........he shoulda spread it around a bit more than he did...........Robbie was the dude who got the fish on the hook and the other fellas ....who mightn't necessarily be fishin' all the time..... ran over to the river or the lake or crippled creek and helped him pull it in....you see?........I've heard it said that we is all fishin' downstream from Bob Dylan anyway....

John Simon IN The Band?.......Well, he WAS really.......the thing is, tho', he never gigged the hard road with The Hawks..........that meant ALOT to those fellas, it would seem........

..........some refry the fishy songfish after it's been cooked real good and then it stinks......like STEPS(Ahoy! Peter Viney!!) ......and some fish have too many bones in 'em and a woman needs a fish like a bicycle needs a maid and some folks catch the same fish as you and Everyman loves The Sound of His own Heavy Metal...Good Night!

No Fish were harmed or injured during the making of this Band GB Post.......


Posted on Wed Aug 29 04:29:57 CEST 2001 from spider-wm064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.179)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Just kinda wondering if Robbie has any hobbies other than his music?... While killing time in a Mpls library today I saw a book of paintings by Paul McCartney... and they weren't half bad...

Sorry to hear Prince's Dad died...


Posted on Wed Aug 29 04:09:37 CEST 2001 from 1cust162.tnt6.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.112.162)

HI

From: TIMELINE

Hendrix was around Woodstock in the Summer of '69, there's boots of him rehearsing at the Tinker Street cinema and at the house in Boiceville for "the Festival." That would have been the same year as the Band's Fillmore East gig where Cat Mother opened and were introduced as another Woodstock band...ah but if I could only remember where my keys are.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 03:45:19 CEST 2001 from 210-55-236-20.static-dialup.xtra.co.nz (210.55.236.20)

Rod

From: NZ
Web page

Mattk, your comments on the Band members pretty much hits the nail on the head. I too think that John Simon would have made a huge contribution as a permanent member of The Band. His production skills would have helped in the studio and live he could have covered a few instruments and filled the gaps left by the less sober members of the group. My guess is that Robbie turned him down as a favour to Richard who may have felt he was no longer required with an extra keyboard player around.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 03:25:38 CEST 2001 from m98-139.on.tac.net (209.202.98.139)

Bill

I don't think I've ever read how Hendrix came to produce Cat Mother, but it may have been a case of old acquaintance not forgot. I believe that members Larry Packer, Charlie Chin and Roy Michaels were all part of the NY folk scene of the early/mid '60s. Michaels was in the Au Go Go Singers with Stills and Furay, and Chin knew the same guys so got to play on the Springfield's "Bluebird". Michaels and Cat Mother's Bob Smith were in Amos Garrett's band, the Dirty Shames, in '67; the group's second and last 45 has Amos doing a good Bo Diddley beat thing (as he did the following year on Eric Andersen's "Tin Can Alley" LP).


Posted on Wed Aug 29 01:06:22 CEST 2001 from spider-wj061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.46)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

I'm with Java on this one. Those American cowards who went to Vietnam sure got their butts kicked and they deserved it too! Also, the whole thing was Pat Brennan's fault because Pat is obviously part of some secret society which planned the whole 'nam thing in the first place! This is a very black and white issue with obvious right and wrong and we all owe Java all the thanks in the world for distilling these important issues so we can all understand them!


Posted on Wed Aug 29 00:56:16 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

As usual, I wholly concur with both David and Pat. While it's tempting to label me an overt "Robertsonian," the nature of my defense has always revolved around the unsupportable nature of the allegations surrounding the feud, and less about "blind loyalty." I'm not beyond criticizing the guy, and I too wish he plugged in the guitar more often than the annual R-n-R HOF gigs and occasional guest spots such as we saw with Ronnie earlier this year (though Butch has stated that Ronnie resorted to some trickery to get Levon involved on the same cut).

I think Peter made a great point awhile back in noting that the "camps" in the group, when viewed in terms of music, is somewhat interesting. Both Garth and Robbie have chose less-worn paths, and at some level had a yearning to expand beyond what The Band itself would allow (though, obviously, Garth stuck with the group until the end).

A second musical "camp" revolves around Levon and his dedication to a more "roots" approach. The recent observation that Levon has gone to a different "matchstick" grip now that he's a near full-time blues drummer is indicative of his dedication to tradition.

Rick is something of a wildcard. While he obviously had a love of the same kind of "roots" focus that Levon has, his focus, or passion, seemed increasingly to be developing along the line of a pure singer/songwriter. I noted with interest quotes from the latter days of the original quintet that Robbie was, in his mind, his songwriter with The Band. Given the superior songwriting he exhibited on his first solo record (in particular), Rick too had interests in developing along lines that weren't necessarily in keeping with the status quo in the group circa 1976.

Richard, as noted before, is a tragedy on many levels, human and musical. Musically speaking, I've long believed, and stated here before, my belief that losing Richard's songwriting after the third (really after the Brown Album) was a huge loss to the group. While I love RR's writing, Richard's writing provided a nice counterpoint to RR's more cereberal efforts.

None of this happened overnight. The re-releases of the first two records are instructive when listening to the outtakes. The songs that didn't make those records, and the outtakes reveal a group bringing alternate focuses to well-known songs, from very bluesy to countrified concepts that individually worked, but didn't fit in the final concept as well as what finally made Big Pink and "The Band."

The great leveller, then? I think it was John Simon. For me, the best studio efforts involved records where John was heavily involved (first two records and the studio recordings from TLW). I believe John was something of an arbitor, a true producer and sixth member. Minus his influence, I think Robbie became increasingly self-indulgent in his songs (which would be fine in a solo setting) and the input of the others began to wane considerably. To my mind, the single biggest mistake (and it lies with RR), was not elevating John to a full-fledged member after "The Band."

Obviously, alternate timeines are tough to draw, but I've often wondered whether the second half of Stagefright and all of Cahoots may have been more focused if John's obvious stabalizing influence had been attendant.

All that aside, I've yet to pick up Garth's new record (shame on me), and while I really really enjoy RR's last two solo outings, I, for one, would be very happy to see RR do at least one more rock-and-roll record where his guitar playing could take center stage one last time.


Posted on Wed Aug 29 00:05:38 CEST 2001 from dialup-166.90.70.190.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.70.190)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

David Powell makes a fine point (as usual, and I mean it sincerely) which opens up an interesting avenue. For all the putdowns, Robbie Robertson is still highly respected as a guitarist. I can think of Don Was and John Simon talking about his playing, how at his core he's a superb guitarist. We all know his history as a songwriting faux-bassist turned gunslinger, first with the Hawk/the Hawks then with Dylan, then his consversion to a Pop Staples kind of minimalist. NLSC found him soloing a bit more but his solo career has his guitar playing back in the shadows.

Now we have this new Garth album, and correct me if I'm wrong but his primary instruments seem to be piano and sax, oh yes, and Maud's voice (a partnership there, no doubt). There seems to be little pure organ playing and not a lot of synth stuff either. Only his accordian work seems to have bridged the gap. Both Robbie and Garth seem to have shifted away from what made them recognizable in the first place. Part of the process, probably.

Of course, for you history buffs out there, you'll notice that this sort of thing happened a lot during both the American Civil War and the Vietnam War.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 23:45:10 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

I'm not going down that road to fan any flames on the "songwriting issue". With Garth & Levon both forging new musical paths with their performances & recordings, there's a fresh vitality in the air. They're out there playing the music they want to play -- it's in their blood. In the meantime, I find it curious that any talk of musical projects from Robbie Robertson have recently revolved around him working on another box set of Band material and reissuing The Last Waltz in DVD format. Between his duties with artist development at Dreamworks and his occasional soundtrack work, I hope there's time for some new music on the horizon. At least Ronnie Hawkins was able to get him into the studio with his guitar.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 23:32:27 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

So Java, was that you on the web link I sent you? Curious minds want to know.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 23:23:18 CEST 2001 from 1cust8.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.8)

HI

From: Nod

Got dem Java Blues


Posted on Tue Aug 28 23:13:39 CEST 2001 from dialup-166.90.70.190.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.70.190)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

John D, I meant my compliment sincerely, with no irony involved. I agree completely that Garth was crucial to the arrangements that made the song uniquely "Band-ian." I just wonder if that is part of the songwriting process, i.e. the words and chords that make a song into a song. However, I firmly do believe we have the right to discuss this on the sonofabitchin' site here.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 23:13:10 CEST 2001 from stjhts26d100.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.241.229)

Java

From: Oz

Cat Mother? Gimme a break. They were never any good. Pat Brennan, a Civil War fan? How can anybody be any kind of a war fan? And you people thought I was twisted. Do you enjoy Vietnam war history too? You guys sure took a butt kickin' in that one. Run to your video store and get a copy of the new edition of Apocolypse Now, another big ripoff.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 23:13:22 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

I'm with Pat on this. I think it's fair to have the songwriting discussion, though it's seemingly impossible for some to have it without making it personal. I'm more than happy to consider reasoned arguments that RR was overtly dishonest or stole.

I've yet to hear any reasoned argument to that end. Whether or not RR was generous or was selfish is not the question (those are entirely subjective terms) -- DISHONESTY and STEALING are very specific and objective assertions of fact. Accusations that I've yet to hear reasonable support for here or elsewhere.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 23:03:26 CEST 2001 from dialup-166.90.70.190.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.70.190)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Chris, I'm sure you mean well, although the use of the term "bullshit" is a bit pejorative. However, if discussing the noise Roadrunner made or the discovery of Cat Mother albums in your basement is apropos (which I agree with on both counts), then I'm gonna guess that discussing songwriting in an intelligent, respectful manner also fits this forum.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 23:03:06 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Thank you Chris from Chicago for your wonderful last comment on my post and perhaps Pat Brennan's. I'm sorry, I forgot to check with you on what to post. Gosh there I go again believing in free speech. You would think I would learn. Then again, I've never been able to work the word "sombitchin" into a sentence.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 22:55:13 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

From: CT

My gut feeling on how these great Band songs were created is that Robbie would introduce a song to the group with lyrics and some kind of basic melody (some ideas more finished than others). They were all such great musicians that they would then take it to a whole other level musically.

Back in those days and even now in some cases, the person who wrote the lyrics and basic melody got sole credit for the songs. You know that Charlie Watts, Mick Taylor, George Harrison and many others had a lot to do with the arraingement of the songs as did the other members of the Band, but that was considered your duty by being in a band. John Simon had similar comments on the Band's songwriting and he would be the one who knows.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 22:39:08 CEST 2001 from (209.100.37.239)

Chris

From: Chicago

On Levon's Drumming style:

Recently he said in an interview that his style has actually changed now that he's playing more straight blues numbers. He's using a match grip because he's doing a lot more work on the snare.

Cat Mother and the All Night Newsboys:

Recently we had a storm in Chicago. Flooded the whole sombitchin city. Anyway I was in Montana at the time and had some friends stopping by to watch the place for a couple of weeks. Long story short...we were concerned after seeing news stories on the t.v., we call to check with our friends and they say..."everythings fine...no problems...you had a box of albums in the basement that we moved out a small puddle but they don't seem damaged."

I say to my lovely wife..."Albums?...We don't have no sticking albums."

But lo and behold we arrive at home to find a box of albums securely placed on a table. I run out to the local resale shop and buy a technics turntable for ten whole american dollars. I replace the stylus for 29.00 dollars and presto chango a working turntable.

After sifting through the old vinyl I find some great records. Levon Helm, BB King live at cook county jail, BB King Live with Bobby Bland. The Siegal-Scwall Band. One of the first handful that I pull out though is the aforementioned Cat Mother album. Listened to the whole thing that first night. Pretty dern good. All the records are in good shape. What a find. We think they were my wife's uncle's and that we glommed them in the move. We certainly are having fun with them though.

P.S.

Please leave the songwriting bullshit alone.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 22:27:40 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.215.114.186.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.114.186)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

John D. makes a fine point: Garth probably wrote much of the music that makes the arrangements of the various Band songs so interesting. Is that songwriting? Rick gave a fairly detailed account of how Wheel's On Fire came about, a piano thing he welded to a Dylan lyric. Garth did some amazing stuff on that tune but didn't receive songwriting credit because the song came from Rick and Dylan's collaboration. What would Whispering Pines be without Garth's input? A great song without his particular genius, but a great song nonetheless.

I'm particularly fond of the American Civil War (talk about family feuds), and I see an interesting parallel between the two discussions.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 22:10:13 CEST 2001 from spider-tm071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.76)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

Amazingly Strange Link: Lester Bangs, the iconoclastic critic who was recently sentimentaily portrayed in the movie "Almost Famous" was a huge fan of the Brown album, which fit somewhat akwardly into his Hall of Fame, which ran more along the lines of Lou Reed and Iggy Pop. Bangs also wrote a long, funny, interesting piece about movie mania called "The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living And Became Mixed Up Zombies" named for and dealing with Ray Steckler's film of that name. The essay tied together trash rock and trash movie love, and the carnival story of "Incredibly Strage Creatures" portrays a world much like Hawks must have encoutered on The road, portrayed by actors who seem to be playing themselves. When "Amazingly Strange Creatures" played on" Mystery Science Theatre" Mike Nelson and the bots made several references to The Band, particuairly the film's wierd organ music and it's Garthlike feel. Sort of brought the whole thing back home.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 21:54:39 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

Bob Wigo makes a good point about "not going down that songwriting road" again. I have never publicly commented on this subject so if I may....I will not go down the road. Just to the first turn on the left :-)

I am not a musician. I repeat....NOT a musician. I do however have many friends who are. Some famous and some infamous. They are not related in any way to The Band and some of them don't know any of the members whatsoever.

What they do tell me is that many of The Band's songs were "Keyboard Arranged." In other words when listening to the song they can tell that the complex arrangements were not worked out on guitar; but on keyboards. Yes I know Robbie plays piano. However it is my speculation that if anyone deserved other song writing credits for Band material it would be Garth Hudson. When I saw him perform Chest Fever the other night, I had trouble hearing Robbie say, "Garth here's the way I want the intro to go." In other words I am not questioning the lyrical content of The Band material; but I have always had trouble not believing that Garth wrote a great deal of the music and if nothing else, the "Arrangements."

It's just an opinion and it is not a bashing situation. It is just an observation; which was backed up recently by musician friends of mine. I appreciate good music; but I could never tell you how or where "Arrangements" are based in a song and I wish I could remember how they explained it to me. Too complex for me. There. I've harbored these thoughts a long time and just wanted to share them.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 21:46:15 CEST 2001 from spider-wk032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.162)

Donna

From: PA

All the post on the Bearsville show, are coming in and it sounds as if everyone had a great time! Too bad that Maud had to play with a broken African Talking Drum, but true to form Maud, did not let this stop her from still playing it! Later, I heard a friend of mine, had the drum that Maud was looking for. Although, he was unable to make the show.

I just wanted to add a personal note here. All the good people who met there, and showed their support for Garth, was very touching to me. Thanks Jan, and Lee, and the folks who made all this possible for us fans! It is this love for Garth the Wizzard's great talents, Levon Helm & The Barn Burners, Professor Louie and The Crowmatix, and Jim Weider and The Gurus! It is their drive, and continual musical talents, that keep us so close in here. Yes, if I may add, it is almost like a family in here. Not only for our love of the music that has brought us together in here, but the sharing of the love and deep appreciation, we have for these wonderful people. With the loving memories, of Rick and Richard! This is the best site around.

Our musical discussions, our post on show's that we had attended, the humor, even the disagreements in here. We can now look back and chuckle over some of the interesting characters, that have plagued this site in the past. I have met some wonderful people through this site! Thank you again Jan, for all your hard work putting this together for us and making all this possible.

I heard that Levon was there to show his love and support for Garth and Maud. I wonder why Levon did not go on stage and join in on a song or two? In my opinion, that would of been the super finale to a wonderful show.

John Donabie: Thank you for the pictures of the show. I am looking forward to seeing a picture of Garth, with the white brimmed summer hat and dark sunglasses, that everyone has talked about. :)


Posted on Tue Aug 28 21:41:08 CEST 2001 from 1cust246.tnt1.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.107.246)

HI

Cat Mother also opened for the Band's first Fillmore East gigs..Stage Fright was recorded at the Woodstock Playhouse, I remember the trucks outside for weeks. The Playhouse burned down and recently an open air structure was rebuilt on the same site resembling the original...occasionally they had some great stuff there....Anyone remember Holy Moses........a follow up to Bob's post which I totally agree with: In 1985 Garth Hudson in the Woodstock Times told the interviewer innocently that he hoped she got to interview Levon because he's such a great story teller and that's really where the songs come from ... A couple of weks ago I mailed the interview and others to Jan who will probably post it when he has the time........


Posted on Tue Aug 28 21:36:36 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Bob, I'm not trying to go down any path. I just don't understand the correlation between American Son and what RR may or may not have written. New guy, maybe he's thought of something.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 21:16:10 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Mike: Your memory's pretty good -- the Cat Mother medley was called "Good Old Rock 'N Roll".


Posted on Tue Aug 28 21:02:19 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

From: Georgia

Thanks to all who posted re the recent show in Woodstock. Sounds as if a splendid time was had by all...makes me want to have been Yankee For A Day. Could some of you Catskill Cats give Garth a nudge towards Dixie?...we sure could use a Honeyboy fix down here.

David P - I have a vague memory of that Cat Mother record; was one of the cuts some sort of rock 'n roll medley that prominently featured Packer's violin?


Posted on Tue Aug 28 20:44:46 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-01-42.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.105)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Mono Lake

David Powell,,,, I remember the first time I saw Jimi Hendrix the opening bands were Cat Mother and the All-Night Newsboys and Chicago Transit Authority. I never had that album though.

Thanks for all the reviews and photos of Garth Hudson show everyone. Much appreciated.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 20:34:33 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Thanks everyone for the accounts & photos from last weekend's concert. Was that venue the same theater where "Stage Fright" was recorded?

Seeing Larry Packer mentioned brought back memories of Cat Mother and the Allnight Newsboys. Does anyone remember their great 1969 album, "The Street Giveth and the Street Taketh Away", produced by some guy named Jimi Hendrix?


Posted on Tue Aug 28 19:58:31 CEST 2001 from spider-wj034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.34)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Please let's not go down this path again.

Robbie Robertson was/is a truly gifted wordsmith, songwriter and guitarist. Without him The Band is something entirely different than the musical entity we so admire.

Levon Helm was/is a truly gifted drummer, a wonderfully musical personality, a natural storyteller and, in my opinion, an American treasure. Without him The Band is something entirely different than the musical entity we so admire.

My allegiance falls neither to Robbie nor Levon but smack dab in the middle of The Band. I do feel a certain debt of gratitude to Levon for the past as well as the present. I hope we won't see the normal rash of judgemental posts and pyrotechnical rants typically spawned by the topic of songwriting credits.

The irony of this matter has always intrigued me. While Robbie was clearly the driving force behind the writing it was and is Levon who is most readily associated with The Band in the eyes of the general public.

Without the singer the song goes unheard. Without the song the singer is silent.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 20:15:36 CEST 2001 from webcacheh03a.cache.pol.co.uk (195.92.67.67)

JimmyLee

From: Brighton England

I was wondering if anyone knows why levon helm has changed his drumming grip to match after all these years of drumming traditional. I learn't to drum watching the last waltz and one of the attractions of his style was the way he looked so relaxed whilst drumming and singing, for anyone who plays the drums knows is not an easy feat. The control he has is amazing. Levon and jimmy keltner are my favouite drummers by far.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 17:36:02 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Last I checked, Jimmy O'brien, Levon doesn't have any songwriting credits on American Son, either...


Posted on Tue Aug 28 17:32:11 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te053.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.173)

butch

From: everbody knows this is nowhere

for what it is worth,,,,,,,,,, BOTH the Traums,, Happy & Artie, were there,,, so both hi & dennis were right,,, a 1st ? LOL,,,,


Posted on Tue Aug 28 16:31:02 CEST 2001 from 1cust49.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.112.49)

HI

Dennis, Happy not Artie.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 16:08:22 CEST 2001 from spider-wj013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.23)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Great posts concerning Lee Gabites and all he's done to spread the word. I, for one, am guilty of not thanking him for his efforts over the years. Lee's hard work was the precursor of this wonderful site. He is truly a friend of The Band.

Thank you Lee.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 15:29:34 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp93.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.93)

Diamond Lil

Just to add a PS to Dennis's last post, Lee Gabites has also done some incredible photography over the years. Many of the wonderful photos on this site were taken by him. I dont think I'd recognize Lee if he didn't have a camera in his hand...or ok.. a beer :-)


Posted on Tue Aug 28 15:29:19 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Dennis....a very nice post. I was standing next to Lee and Lil when you were chatting and Lee let me know who you were. Speaking of Lee, .coom? Just had my e-mail to you bounce back on that one till I saw the error. Re-sent it to you. Just so you all know. Lee had a car accident in England which delayed his trip until Friday. He literally got off the plane......got himself to Bearsville......still with no sleep and came to support the Hudson's. Left Sunday night a tired; but happy man. That's dedication for you. And I thought it was tough making an 8 hour drive :-)


Posted on Tue Aug 28 14:40:48 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-172-134.hvc.rr.com (24.164.172.134)

Dennis

From: West Saugerties, NY

Geeze, Lee, you must be poooooped from your trip, didn't know AOL has expanded to aol.coom!

Didn't notice that many people walking up to Lee Friday evening, thanking him for his work over the years. For those of you not familiar, this gentleman, for quite some time, wrote a very literate Band newsletter that pre-dated this wonderful web site. (And that in spite of not visiting the New York area until Rick's "Day in the Garden" show in August of 1999.) He's a cool guy you might wanna know....

Also in the audience was Martin Leffer, a tough cracker, founder and proprietor of Not Fade Away Graphics, now known (I believe) as Not Fade Away Trading Company. Those of you who sport Band t-shirts can thank Mr. Leffer for not only for creating many of those masterpieces of R&R art, but perhaps more importantly marketing them so they actually found their ways to your collection. In spite of standing, for the most part, alone at the show, his legacy with The Band was seen not only in the t-shirts worn by the audience, but also in jackets worn by the crew.

(Gosh I hope I got this next part correct)

Larry Packer: yet to be mentioned here and not pictured yet, was the fiddle player who filled in so beautifully during Garth's set. For years, a staple with The Woodstock All Stars, he did many gigs in the mid-80's with Levon and his All Stars.

Was that Art Traum headed to the men's room?

A chance to meet Ms. L'il? Cool!

And finally, stealing from Rick Nelson, over in the corner hiding in Dylan's shoes, was the Boss: polite enough not to steal the spotlight, but gentleman enough not to miss it.

A fun time. All kinds of people you might wanna know.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 12:22:06 CEST 2001 from 125.houston-24rh16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net (12.83.15.125)

Jimmy O'brien

From: Austin, Texas

Just got done listen to "American Son" again. So... Robbie wrote all them Band songs by himself huh?


Posted on Tue Aug 28 12:00:20 CEST 2001 from wall.oslo.dnmi.no (157.249.32.2)

Kjell-Gunnar Heimark

From: Vanvik/Norway

Do you have melodies/text/shanties etc which you think can be of interest for a male qoir - like Norwegian Seamens' Choir? We were in Liverpool a few years ago. Appreciate ideas/melodies. Please first contact via epost. Kjell-Gunnar 280801


Posted on Tue Aug 28 09:03:20 CEST 2001 from spider-to042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.62)

Lee

The young guy on sax was Manu (hope the spelling is correct), a coolguy and friend of Garth & Maud. Just got back and to tired to carry on. Anyway, I'm never on here anymore. Good to see some of you...


Posted on Tue Aug 28 06:16:03 CEST 2001 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

Diamond Lil: Right on.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 05:49:48 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-119-157.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.119.157)

Back with no wife in Tennessee

I made another visit to the Nashville Library and got some new John Adams music - Chamber Symphony and Grand Pianola Music. Does anyone here listen to him? I'm not all that familiar with his stuff, but I really like what I've heard. It might be a bit new-agey, maybe, but I still like it, very dynamic.

I went down (up?) the shore in New Jersey the other week. Didn't get to Somers Point, but I did get a pork roll sandwich.

It's good to see that Butch, so condemning of those whose political views differ from his, is so open-minded in his opinions.


Posted on Tue Aug 28 05:39:44 CEST 2001 from spider-wa073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.53)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Bones: Levon (& P. Louie for that matter) are gonna make me broke trying to buy all the CDs they are involved with... I love Kevin Doherty's "Strange Weather" for lots of reasons... but whenever I listen to that one track where Levon plays drums... I am reminded of what he's giving every night at a BBs show... from start to finish...

Add my thanks again to all the Bearsville reviewers!!!... There must be a permanent shine in your eyes... I thought I was lucky when I survived a snowstorm around New Year to catch the Professor & Crowmatix featuring Garth during his purple Vikings lookalike cap phase (and a nice black leather jacket I might add)... but now it seems like I just blinked my eyes... and wa-la we got JAM!, Sea, and As The Sun Sets... and a new two hat standard for the shows... and those are quality hats too... people, you can't get that on the CD!!!... and John walked away with some candy too... it's like going to the bank as a little kid, right G-Man!!!

Lil', I bet there's 10+ folks out there with similar good intentions in their heads... but your friend should also be congratulated for being able to deliver...


Posted on Tue Aug 28 04:38:25 CEST 2001 from dialup-270.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.14)

Hank

From: RiverlyCork
Web page

I Think it's time Levon, The Barnburners, Garth, Crowmatix 'n all to play a few gigs in Europe........

Starting and finishing in Cork, of course.........


Posted on Tue Aug 28 04:34:36 CEST 2001 from spider-wk082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.187)

Amanda

Congrats on the gift Diamond Lil. I am glad it brought you happiness. I agree with you regarding the people that visit the GB. We are all bonded by the love of these special musicians and their enchanting story. Sometimes I think we get our signals crossed because we are not people talking face to face. Discovering true character is somewhat difficult through an email. I really dig the GB and am truly appreciative of all it has to offer. Thanks to everyone who posted their comments about the Bearsville show. I KNOW that you realize how lucky you are! I can only imagine what a special evening it was. Bayou Sam...I would love to hear your thoughts on the show...how about it???


Posted on Tue Aug 28 03:45:18 CEST 2001 from ras-c5800-1-49-80.dialup.wisc.edu (128.104.49.80)

Abpike

Has anybody covered Whispering Pines?


Posted on Tue Aug 28 03:30:35 CEST 2001 from stjhts25c108.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.249.113)

Java

From: Bearsville

beep, beep!


Posted on Tue Aug 28 01:45:42 CEST 2001 from grmn-189ppp60.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.60)

Diamond Lil

I received a gift in the mail today..from someone I've never met..someone who reads this guestbook..but never posts. I am incredibly touched that this person was so thoughtful, and spent so much time creating such a wonderful gift for me. For the memory of Rick it was a labor of love, and for me, it's a gift that will be looked at and cherished for many years to come.
I post this in the guestbook, simply to say 'thank you'..to everyone who comes here, whether to post or to just silently read. There are alot of good hearts here, bonded by the love of this music and these people. I guess that's why I've been here so long.

Thanks for listening. Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


Posted on Mon Aug 27 23:57:12 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

From: CT

Ben Pike: I have heard Olivia's version of "In A Station", and I like it although have that mystery feel to it like the Band's version.

Thanks to everyone for the pics and reviews of Garth's show. I'm so sorry that I could not make it.

I love the fact that although Levon is not currently on a record label, he will playing on a lot of upcoming releases.


Posted on Mon Aug 27 21:55:34 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

One last thing....I mean it this time......Butch thanks for the candy. It was so goooooooood :-)


Posted on Mon Aug 27 21:50:15 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Oh, one more thing.....Question of the night from Bashful Bill. "Hey John....what's Serge really like?"


Posted on Mon Aug 27 21:48:23 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

I hesitated in putting my 2 cents worth in about Friday night’s show in Bearsville, as so many people have done such an excellent job; but I couldn’t resist.

The day for me began by dropping into the Bearsville Theater as everyone was setting up. I had a chance to chat with Garth and finally meet Maud. I ended up in a long conversation with one of my favorite horn players; from the David Letterman show, Tom “Bones” Malone whom I have admired for over 25 years.

I have to say that Professor Louie is an amazing man. We have only met twice. Once in 1995 at Ronnie Hawkins 60th birthday bash in Toronto and a few months before Rick Danko passed on; when the Prof., Rick and Eric Anderson were doing a gig at Joyous Lake. OK….we’ve only met twice…..I’m ready to reintroduce myself and he comes up to me and says, “Hey John how are you? When did you drive down?” I was very flattered. He is not only a great musician and arranger; but a wonderful memory to boot.

The show got started right on time at 9:30 p.m. Each act got an hour, roughly. Graham Parker opened the show acoustically. I’ve read a couple of the reviews where people mention they weren’t big fans; but I am! As a disc-jockey for years, I had played all the Graham Parker and the Rumor albums. I was hoping he might do “New York Shuffle.” He played a number of tracks from his new Razor & Tie CD called “Deepcut To Nowhere.” He also did some old tunes from the Rumor days. Acoustic guitar, harp and later electric. He was later joined by The Professor on Accordion.

After Parker’s set the Crowmatix took over. This was my first time seeing them live and I was absolutely blown away. My wife Ala who loves much of the same music as I do couldn’t believe his keyboard playing. Miss Marie was right on with one powerful voice. I was very impressed with guitarist Mike Demicco. He’s got quite a few interesting licks. Mike Dunn on bass and Gary Burke on drums filled out this great ensemble. I have to interject that the fabulous Tom “Bones” Malone joined them on Sax and Trombone. Other than the Letterman show the last time I saw him live was at The Last Waltz. Tom is a musicians musician. He wrote one of the tunes and they rocked through it. Graham Parker came out and joined them again. As he left the stage you could see the Professor looking for someone. As his head went back and forth; out came Garth with a new look for us….white straw hat and sunglasses. He looked like Dr. Jazz. He jammed with the Crowmatix until intermission.

At about 11:30 the Crowmatix along with Tom “Bones” Malone and Garth and Maud made there way to the stage. They performed the music from Garth’s new CD and ended with Chest Fever. Over in the corner of the room standing in the darkness with a grin on his face was Garth’s old friend Levon Helm. Levon had wanted to jam with Garth that night; but it just didn’t work out. I visited with Levon the day before and there are a lot of exciting things in the wind. Watch for Levon on the new CD to be released next month, “Ronnie Earl and Friends.” Ms. Irma Thomas among other friends make it an album that should be a “Handy Awards” winner. I just want to say what a pleasure it was to hang out with Diamond Lil (whom I finally got to meet) G-Man and Donna, Rick S. and his marvelous wife (with a lot of great spirit) and Bashful Bill and his lovely wife. Bill I wish we had a chance to talk longer about TLW and other things.


Posted on Mon Aug 27 19:06:03 CEST 2001 from du24-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.24)

Ilkka

THANKS to all of you who have posted reviewes and pics of the Garth&Maud&Crowmatix show. It is not only appreciated in the "lonely prairies" a la Dave Z, but also in the dark Nordic woods and I believe even in the windy polders. And thanks to Mr. Høiberg who makes this happen and congrats to HAAKON and METTE-MAARIT as well...


Posted on Mon Aug 27 18:44:40 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

CORRECTION: The white hat pic is now on the site.


Posted on Mon Aug 27 18:42:11 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

DAVE Z........I sent a picture to Jan of the White Hat, sunglasses pic. Didn't make it to the site. Garth only wore the hat and sunglasses when he joined The Crowmatix for a few numbers. When he and Maud took to the stage, he had on his traditional hat and yes her drum was broken. Even the new one was broken. Maud played on however.


Posted on Mon Aug 27 17:49:36 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

8/24--B twn to the Stock in record time! Checked in, & out the door for Bearsville.Mr. & Mrs J. Donabie at the door! Arrange caravan to dinner. To B'sville!! EUGENE from the road crew--big thanks for intro. to Maude and Garth! Fantastic, kind hearted folks!! 6pm Caravan departs for Marlee's!!! Arrive, get seated and Gary Burke at one table and Bones Malone at the next!!! The enlightening John Donabie,and Ala; you both are honorary ROAD WARRIORS!! The Bashfull Bill's, Rick the Suffern Slasher and the vivacious Pat, joined the Hoover and I!!! We observed a moment of silence for the Philly Seamstress, who missed the show while sewing the cape and her fingers together!!!We missed Major Ahart and the lost patrol!! Gen. Steve Pattenburg and Carol....I got your call, but youse guys never showed???? Ordered and out the door!! There's the DB Cooper of the Catskills-Butch Dener! Hey Butch, yo Butch--it's me!!!! Never thought he could run away that fast,heh,heh!!!!Thanks Bro, for the intros, hooks, auto-g's, and laughs!!!! You Da Man!!! Meet the Cro's and get the auot-G's!!! What a crew!! Meet Elliot Landy, and he signs the Jericho poster!!! Graham Parker--nice acoustic opening; with some great humor included!!! Crowmatix-YES!! What a set!!!!!!! Gary Burke--MONSTER/POWER drumming!! Mike Dunn--laying it down, in a super groove on the bass! Mike Demicco--endearing the crowd with some SUPER work on lead guitar!! Miss Marie--WOW-what a voice-awesome! Professor Louie----held the hurricane in place!!!!!!!! He also did a fantastic job on the keys and singing! Thank each and everyone of you for the time, auto G's, and great music!!!! Garthy and Maude---third set!!! Aside from the music they made--it was the real deal to see the caring they shared !!! Maude captivated the crowd with her singing! Garth...the musical genious! Intro to Chest Fever--couldda compared to War and Peace, but when the Crow's jumped in-------a rockin version!!! Back to work...and Garth was super re. auto g'in the poster! First auto-G I ever got that came with sound effects!!! What a kind gracious person he is!!! Would be re-miss in not mentioning the scintallatin---Diamond Lil!! Great honor to meet you!!! A tale to share with Lil, from a w/e that went too fast!! W-Stock regular at the sat. am. Flea Market--shared some Band tales! He closed with a description of Rick Danko!.......Man, he was fun, love, and foregiveness!!!!!! Big thanks to ALL!!!!!


Posted on Mon Aug 27 17:07:07 CEST 2001 from spider-wj081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.56)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

I just received this email update from the Fathead site.

LEVON HELM & FATHEAD After hearing one of Fathead's CDs, an enthusiastic Levon Helm (The Band) contacted bandleader Al Lerman and plans were made to record with Fathead as well as to perform a few live dates together. Unfortunately, these well- intended schemes hit an unforeseeable snag and will not happen; at least not for now. Fathead's upcoming disc, which will be completed in sessions scattered throughout the fall and winter, is expected to be released in early 2002 on Electro-Fi Records and will be co-produced by Alec Fraser. It will be the band's third release for Electro-Fi. Fathead also has another disc, the self titled "Fathead", which was released independently before being signed to the label.


Posted on Mon Aug 27 16:41:39 CEST 2001 from spider-wm071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.181)

butch

From: good music land

on Regis & Kelly this morning,, ( UGH )

JETHRO TULL,,,,

two groups that suck,,,,, & so early in the morning,,,,,,


Posted on Mon Aug 27 15:29:10 CEST 2001 from spider-wj081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.56)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

If I see a band out there going by the name "A Car Full of Cat Vomit" I'll know who to blame !!!


Posted on Mon Aug 27 14:29:06 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

Another place to hear the cuica in pop music is on the Barenaked Ladies' first album, "Gordon." It's featured prominently in "Enid".


Posted on Mon Aug 27 03:49:24 CEST 2001 from spider-ti081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.211)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Nice pics and reviews of the Bearsville Garth Show!!! Thanks for sharing everyone!!! We out here on the lone prairie appreciate... and I have to admit, I got turned on a little by the marketing genius of the whole African Talking Drum "hoop dee doo" (Was the drum really broken? How? Did anybody get it on tape?!?) as well as the photo off the Expecting To Rain site which shows Garth in the cool white hat (Did he wear it for just Saga? Or what?)... Anyway, sounds like folks had fun... Any good eats or drinks at the show? I just wolfed down a piece of homemade wild berry gallata after my jog... but I'm still hungry... have to wait for John D's review tomorrow... GaNite all...


Posted on Mon Aug 27 03:01:12 CEST 2001 from ac80c478.ipt.aol.com (172.128.196.120)

J. Patrick Crain

From: Oklahoma City

Right on JTull Fan! I agree 100%. My wife and I are huge cat lovers and we see that kind of shit go on all the time (especially here in Oklahoma where cats in rural areas are given as much thought as country mice). Both of our cats are from the streets (one of our cats is actually a refugee from the May, 1999 tornado that left her homeless) and we had both cats spayed and neutered and keep them indoors. My Band link? My oldest cat doesn't vomit in the car if I drive AND play Stage Fright. Strange, you say? Unbelievable? You take my cat out in your car and play anything else and I guarantee a car full of cat vomit.


Posted on Mon Aug 27 02:39:19 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp243.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.243)

Diamond Lil

Wow! Thanks John Donabie for the great photos of Friday night's show. Brings back alot of nice memories of a very special night.

Thought I was finished with my child-having years, but then my son-o-gram informed me that I'm having another one on Tuesday. A bouncing 20 year old, his best friend, and only for a month or so (and thankfully he's already potty trained :-) I figure, the 3 I already have very often seem like 30, so what's one more, right? And besides, he's a good kid... and has never once asked me "what band?" :-)

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


Posted on Mon Aug 27 01:45:43 CEST 2001 from cc838035-b.andrson1.tn.home.com (65.1.103.223)

John Meehan

From: CHATTANOOGA TENNESSEE
Web page

Awesome site. The first time I saw The Band they opened for The Grateful Dead both nights July 8th and 9th of 1995. I had only known one or maybe 2 songs of theirs at the time. I was only 20. But I have become a huge fan over the years. If anyone here trades live music either DAT or CDR check out my url. I am interested in getting some more live shows.


Posted on Sun Aug 26 20:40:09 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti051.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.171)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Re: Tull website. The Band Website in my opinion, is the standard by which all other websites should be measured for in the music genre. Any others pale by comparison, Jtull included. Nonetheless, JTULL.com is still quite useful exspecially regarding tourdates, Indian food etc. It even got an award from this site earlier this year I believe. NOW WHAT REALLY MAKES ME MAD! Returning with my wife from grocery shopping earlier today I was met by an all black cat I had never seen before. It was still a kitten and had a collar but no ID tag. it was very hungry and I went upstairs, got some Fancy Feast and a plate and when I returned he/she was waiting for me. It devoured every bit of food and nearly licked a hole in the plate. There is NO REASON for a cat to be left outdoors in an urban area. NONE! These poor animals are vulnerable to attack by other animals, cars, disease, and people. Our local shelters have many examples of maimed animals missing eyes, tails, etc from bb guns and other disgusting things some rotten excuses for human beings find 'fun'. Outdoor cats live an average of only 3 YEARS compared to 15-20 for an indoor cat. If you are thinking of getting an animal, please consider your local shelter before going to a pet store or puppy mill. If you have a cat, please have it spayed, collared with an id tag and kept indoors. If you must let them out please MONITOR them. Leaving a cat outdoors is no substite for the love and affection they can receive indoors. Do not declaw! There are humane alternatives. DO WORK to get your local shelter to adobt 'non-destroy' rules. There are many miserable things going on in the world today, but NONE bother me more than an animal that has been abused or neglected. Please check out: www.aarf.org for more info. Sorry for getting on the soapbox.


Posted on Sun Aug 26 18:23:38 CEST 2001 from spider-to083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.83)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

Thanks to those who posted that they got home safe from the Garth show. I was worried :-)

I want to know what your all having for breakfast today :-)

I know - I'm being a smartass - I just thought it was funny - I'm just kidding -note all the smiles :-)


Posted on Sun Aug 26 17:36:53 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tj061.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.46)

jcf

From: new york

There is not much to the Jethro Tull website, JT fan. No history section and the album reviews are dull... Ian Anderson's guide to Indian food, however, was a good surprise


Posted on Sun Aug 26 17:08:28 CEST 2001 from 1cust131.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.131)

HI

Nice to see they got pictures up that quick from the Bearsville show.


Posted on Sun Aug 26 17:00:01 CEST 2001 from ti15a22-0012.dialup.online.no (130.67.112.204)

Dag

From: Norway
Web page

There's some new Garth Hudson pictures at Expecting Rain, link above....


Posted on Sun Aug 26 14:07:06 CEST 2001 from cl3030709-b.mdsn1.wi.home.com (24.183.0.216)

Tim(SUNDOG)CORCORAN

From: MadTown Wi.
Web page

It l@@ks as though all of you had a grate time at the show!!! Its also nice to hear your comments on the Crowmatix performence. Isn't it funny no matter how old/young you are,,,music just brings it all together for a wonderful time!!!


Posted on Sun Aug 26 06:33:54 CEST 2001 from syr-24-169-189-83.twcny.rr.com (24.169.189.83)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

FOR DINOSAURS ONLY: Another fine show tonite. Enjoyed it much better than I was anticipating, especially Joe Cocker. He still has it! Backed by a great band with Kenny Aronoff on drums,he belted out hit after hit nonstop for an hour and fifteen minutes. He did a suprise cover (to me anyway) of Summer In The City and his voice(once again, suprisingly to me) was really strong. Ditto for my Canadian neighbors The Guess Who. They are one of Mrs Bashful Bill's alltime favorites. She even partied with them in her bartender days, the last time they had a reunion tour back in the early 80's. I had forgotten just how many hits they had. Randy Bachman also played his crowd pleasing BTO hits. he and Burton cummings are also 2 oldtimers who still sing just as good as ever. A good time was had by all.


Posted on Sun Aug 26 05:48:03 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Just got back from Bearsville with a visit with friends on the way back. It's 11:28 pm. Will post my thoughts tomorrow about the concert and the wonderful people we met.......and if Jan is around.....I'm taking my pictures of the show in tomorrow to get developed and will send them to the Jan Man.


Posted on Sun Aug 26 02:27:39 CEST 2001 from spider-tm051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.66)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Sorry the weblink doesn't work. It is www.jtull.com Do not go to JethroTull.com unless you like porn...


Posted on Sun Aug 26 02:25:51 CEST 2001 from spider-tm051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.66)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond
Web page

Wow; somebody seems rather angry. I hope we can be spared further details. Now I have Natalie Merchant's 'Thank-you Thank-you' going through my head. :) On another note I am jealous of you guys in the Woodstock area: I wish I can join you for some shows sometimes but it sounds logistically unlikely. Oh, well. Thanks again for the further drum info: It's little tidbits like this that I keep checking the GB.


Posted on Sun Aug 26 02:03:19 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-174-176.hvc.rr.com (24.164.174.176)

Russell

From: Rosendale

Injured - Yah.... this is a music discussion. REFRAIN from that TONE and leave that thing alone... Peace be with you. Your personal life ain't got no place in here. Mr. Jan,please delete it. Russman


Posted on Sun Aug 26 00:26:51 CEST 2001 from as8-d156-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.156)

KLJ

Golly-gee, I wish I was friends with Lil and the gang.


Posted on Sun Aug 26 00:24:45 CEST 2001 from as8-d156-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.156)

Knockin' Lost John

From: indiana

Wow, I was reading all the great posts about the Bearsville Blast (wish I coulda been there) then there was this Mike Dunn-bashing, tongue-lashing post!

What the hell?

I don't know the guy, but I don't think this is the proper place to air out your dirty laundry.

Injured Party, take it outside.



Posted on Sat Aug 25 23:29:59 CEST 2001 from 1cust254.tnt6.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.112.254)

HI

Listening with a friend to his audience Dat tape of last night's great concert...will have a couple of cdrs burned with of most of it ....Not for sale but if you're interested in a copy let me know....Now who was the young guy on sax?


Posted on Sat Aug 25 23:29:29 CEST 2001 from syr-24-169-189-83.twcny.rr.com (24.169.189.83)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Rick. S. Lil, and everyone else got it right-great show and great time. Lil gets extra points for spelling my wife's name correctly. This was the 5th time I have seen the Crowmatix, and they get better each time. I thought Graham Parker was a hoot, just the opposite of a "pompous" Brit. Quite self-depracating, rather. Enjoyed a great pre-show dinner with Rick S. & Pat, G-Man&Donna(missed Philly Donna), and the venerable John Donabie and his lovely, very charming wife Ala, you're a lucky man, John. Wish we had more time to swap Last Waltz stories. Even Dr Pepper made the trek downstate, it was a great time. After the show was over I heard that Levon had been around. Some of my friends are going to see The Barnburners in Chester next week, but I can't make it. It's been awhile since I've seen them, by all accounts they get better all the time. We hit the famous Woodstock flea market this morning, I ran across not only the only flea market vendor in my experience who won't barter, but is downright rude aboutit! There was also a vendor who was selling some slightly over-priced bootlegs(he insistted his product be refered to as "European imports")but he was cordial .G-Man and I also checked out Joyous Lake, they are busily working on the place, and said they should reopen in about 6 weeks. Now I'm off to see The Guess Who & Joe Cocker, dinosaur that I am.


Posted on Sat Aug 25 23:21:59 CEST 2001 from nas-70-102.albany.navipath.net (216.67.70.102)

injured party

Entry deleted.--jh


Posted on Sat Aug 25 22:55:57 CEST 2001 from spider-tm013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.48)

Rick S.

From: Suffern, N.Y.

Stu H.- you missed a great "Garth Night" in Bearsville. The Crowmatix did you proud, especially Miss Marie on vocals, non-stop percussion and emoting (I love to see her perform). My Pat was dancing to Scarlet Begonias. My lasting image of the night is Garth's entry: wearing his summer wide-brimmed hat, sunglasses, full white beard, head tilted to the side, beaming (looked like Santa Claus in a Hunter Thompson movie- in a good way)...I didn't think it would be possible to produce the sound so well for Garth's "Sea to the North" CD set- thanks much to the incredible sound guys...Garth never plays better than when he is next to Maud- musical symbiosis...Maud was riveting on vocals and sound effects and of course, on the talking drum....one highlight- Tom Malone on trombone on "Ophelia"; another- Gary Burke's drum solo...great seeing/meeting: John Donabie and Ala (what a nice person); my pals G-Man and Donna; Bashful Bill and Caron; meeting Rose with D Lil; seeing Butch,,, John D. dubbed G-Man as a dead ringer for Ralph Waite of the Waltons... Garth was one hat short or a hat-trick- maybe next show.... great audience...thanks to Prof. Louie for being out front tying it all together- "Producer" Louie.


Posted on Sat Aug 25 19:30:49 CEST 2001 from spider-ta033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.58)

ronnie

From: woodstock

i returned to the bearsville theater last night to honor garth and maud. the last time i was there was for rick's memorial service. i was pleased to see that many of the people i had seen there for rick were there for garth as well!"

" miss marie is outrageous! like lil just said, miss marie and prof. louie keep getting better and better each time i see them! her vocals and use of the many percussion instruments blew me away! everyone in the crowmatix were amazing last night. the sound in there was so clear and everyone was so together!"

" graham parker was quite good. although i'm not a fan of his, i can spot real talent when i see it. great guitar playing, very clear vocals and his stories made his set very enjoyable. i've heard that florida story somewhere before!"

" but when garth, maud, larry packer, and the other sax player whose name i don't know (forgive me if i mssed anyone) came on with the crowmatix, well, let's just say; musical history was made on that stage! sheer magic manifested itself in front of me. to watch garth for the master that he is, the genius that he is was breathtaking. chills went all through my body. the image before me was so beautiful that i will keep it forever in my heart and mind."

" whenever life has been particulary difficult for me; i would seek out "an adult dose" of the band. and without the use of substances, i would get high on the music. last night was no exception!"

" i could absolutely feel richard and rick there last night! i really miss them."

" thanks you guys for making my life a better place. love you always!


Posted on Sat Aug 25 19:23:04 CEST 2001 from spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.66)

butch

From: bluesville

1st notice,,,,,,,,,,, BE ADVISED !!!!!!!!!!!

Levon Helm & The Barn Burners ------- GIGS

Sept 2nd ----- Bodles Opera House ---- Chester NY

Sept 3rd ( labor day ) The Iron Horse --- Northampton MA

gonna be HOT COOL BLUES,,,

come dance away your blues,,,,

SEE ya THERE !!!!!!!!


Posted on Sat Aug 25 18:42:41 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

JTull, you misunderstood me. The "Me and Julio" drum is comes from Brazil and is called a "Cuica" or "Brazilian Monkey Drum." I mistakenly called it a Damaru, which is a different drum altogether.

The African "Talking Drum" or "Dun Dun" is entirely different, and is of Benin/West African origins.

They are entirely different in both how they look, and how they are played. While Talking Drum is hit with the hand (the tones changing by squeezing the strings), the Cuica is not "hit" at all.

The Cuica is rather small (about 8" in diameter) and very shallow (about 4"). It is round or polygonal with a skin on one side and nothing on the other. A small stick is adhered to the head of the drum and extends down off the skin, through the drum, stopping just short of sticking out of the open end.

To play a Cuica, you can take a peice of cheese cloth (or anything very soft), douse it in rubbing alchohol (in Brazil, I'm sure they do something different, perhaps using well-tanned leather, or even developing finger callouses), and then rub the stick, which produces the "hoo hoo" sound. You change the pitch of the drum by applying pressure to the head, which increases the pitch the more pressure you apply.

Cuica is a staple in the Brazilian street samba bands that vie for supremacy in places like Rio. It's effect is not unlike the scratching sound on old hip hop records, generally these bursts of sound, highly accented in a polyrhythm against the pseudo-train beat the snares and bass drums make.

Imagine Levon playing "Mystery Train" with Run DMC and the drum line of a large marching band, and you get the idea.


Posted on Sat Aug 25 17:27:00 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp241.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.241)

PS from Lil

Sorry for the typos in that last post. I tried 3 times to preview and fix em.. but I guess Jan's preview gremlin is still asleep :-)


Posted on Sat Aug 25 17:20:20 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp73.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.73)

Diamond Lil

The warmth and magic from the night before remains. What an incredible night at Bearsville! Maud and Garth.. although always shining..shone brighter than ever before. This was their night..and I can't think of any 2 people who deserved it more than them.

A wonderful set by Graham Parker started the evening. I had never seen him before and was very impressed with not only his music, but his humor as well. He kept the packed house laughing with his stories. A seemingly very personable musician, who me in mind of Rick in a way.

Next up was the Crowmatix..who literally has folks dancing in the aisles. It was a great pleasure to see Tom "Bones" Malone....incredibale sax and trombone that my 17 year old would've given a limb to be there to hear. Marie and Aaron were amazing as always (they get better and better ech time I see them..if that's possible) and the rest of the band absolutely smoked. I think they closed that set with "Ophelia"...with Garth joining them in probable the _best_ hat I've ever seen him wear :-)

At about 12:30am, Maud and Garth broke into alot of tunes from the new cd. "Cyrus and Mulgrew" live was amazing.. and "Sea to the North" as beautiful as ever. Maud looked beautiful as always, and I was never so proud of her as I was last night. Garth was wonderful (and I told him so and he made me say it again :-)

I think the music ended around 1:30.. with a killer version of "Chest Fever" that had the crowd literally on it's feet. Just an amazing night.

I'd like to thank a few people who made the night extra-special for me as well. John Donabie and his wife Ala.. who are 2 of the nicest folks I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. Bill, Caron, Rick and Pat..thanks for being so nice. Ralph and Donna, Dennis (a real pleasure), Richard Wall, Elliot Landy, Dr. Pepper, Tom and Kathy... it was great to see you all.
And a special mention to 2 dear friends...Lee and Butch.. love and thanks to you both.

Thanks Maud and Garth for this special night. Love you both alot! xxxooo


Posted on Sat Aug 25 16:47:44 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-175-151.hvc.rr.com (24.164.175.151)

Russell

From: Rosendale,NY (17.2 miles from Woodstock)

BEARSVILLE! Wow........... let me tell you ! ! ! I trekked in hopes of getting a ticket and found (thank the spirits) one. It was one of the best shows I've seen ALL year... Graham Parker was cool, not my cup of tea but,did a nice "Sugaree" for you Deadheads, but the best was yet to come. By the time Louie and those Crowmatix hit the stage, the place was packed!!! I don't remember seeing this many people since THE BAND rocked this house. I have seen PL & Crowmatix on many occaisons, but this was special. They had Tom "Bones" Malone from SNL/Letterman with them and Larry Packer (Last Waltz). They played hot stuff of that Jam cd and Miss Marie can belt it out. I took a breather to catch a drink and ran right into Levon, smiling,grinnin' and laughing with folks, I asked him if he was going to play, he nodded yes, but sadly didn't. Garth took the stage for a hot Ophelia and Scarlet Begonias. After a short intermission, Maud & Garth took the stage and played 3 or 4 cuts off of Garth's record... amazing!!! Maud is fantastic live. A perfect compliment to Garth. Our own musical couple. I bought their cd, and listened all the way home... I'm sure people will get more in depth, I'm trying to wake up and shake off the night, but have that buzzzzz.... GO GARTH!!! Fly Crowmatix high. Cheers! Rosendale Russ


Posted on Sat Aug 25 16:04:22 CEST 2001 from ip236.sbynxr2.ras.tele.dk (195.249.149.236)

Tom Holis

From: Dk
Web page

Hi the Band tablature web site has just been updated. Check it out. http://home6.inet.tele.dk/thomasho


Posted on Sat Aug 25 06:18:25 CEST 2001 from proxy4-external.rdc1.on.home.com (24.112.158.227)

Lisa Corkery

From: Ontario

Hi, I just downloaded Po' Boy myself, its been on repeat all day in my Winamp... Its just excellent. Really looking forward to Bob's new album and tour.

I always have to give a little plug for the Rick Danko tribute show from Radio Woodstock in thr audio files... its a really great little show. Except of course for the really annoying bit where Tom Pacheko's guitar was still on the air (unknown to him) while they were playing "Book Faded Brown."

Also, does anyone know what the "health problems" are that are preventing Levon from singing? The last interview I saw of him was the Ronnie Hawkins life and Times on CBC, and he did sound a little rough... Hope he's OK!! Levon is the best!!! Was really cheesed to hear that he was in Toronto and London with his daughter and the Barn Busters , I had no idea or I would have gone for sure!


Posted on Sat Aug 25 05:47:31 CEST 2001 from spider-to043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.63)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

I don't know Bonnie... I guess you can't have just good w/o bad... and vice versa... Today I took my two boys an hour north of the Twin Cities to Rush City... Visitors Day at YouthCARE's Camp Sunrise... The CARE stands for Cultural Appreciation and Racial Equality... they bring diverse disadvantaged urban kids together... put them into the wilderness for leadership training among other things... so there are some places where people are trying to work together... it's kinda funny too because while walking the camp and looking for the tipi... which my kids love to see and play in... I passed this young woman... and I asked her where the tipi was thinking she was a camper... and she said she didn't know... she was in the band... Umoja Drum Circle... they play African Drums... I chuckled and she said they start in an hour over by the firepit... I said perfect... and we went on in search of the tipi...

Lee, I also liked your bicycle post... it spun me off daydreaming again... and when I listened to "Sea" and "Breakers" on the way to camp... I was thinking "pairs ice skating" music and then I got silly... first Jamacian Bobsled then back to pairs but now wondering what the VH1 video would look like... no, Garth & Maud on ice skates doesn't work... and the wheelchair complicates things... nay, doesn't work... not if she is breaking drums... but wait... what about bumper-car-like Zambonis?... on an ice rink... with just a few spectators... let's see... it's fantasy so I got Rick and Richard throwing popcorn in the stands way up in the cheap seats... and of course, Robbie and Levon are both in the penalty box separated by clear glass... which is the best seat in the house for the show btw... and maybe Quentin Ryan in the front row representing Breeze Hill... eating an Egg McMuffin... but pouring out some hot java that tastes bad...

OK, video 2... Little Islands... music is playing but you don't see Garth til the end... starts out with some shopping in the mall... a mall... Elton John is trying on fancy clothes... has way too many for the dressing room... the dressing room girl just shakes her head... he walks away in frustration... can't find what he needs... but wait he hears something... Scene switches... Bruce Hornsby in the Footlocker... he's got on that new Bill Walton/Grateful dead T-Shirt... and he's sizing up Allen Iverson jerseys... can't find one big enough... then he sees an autographed game jersey framed on the wall... and trys to buy it... the shoe check guy dressed as a ref just shakes his head... never had to deal with this type of sale... Bruces leaves in frustration can't find what he needs... and then right as he passes the food court... he hears something... but scene changes again to the food court... A&W... root beer float and chili dog... and it's Billy Joel... wants it like NY... wants relish, sowercraught, ketchup, mustard onions, chili, brat and then some... the cashier kid pops her gum and just shakes her head... Billy actually tries to eat this thing... it falls on his lap just as Bruce walks by... he too hears the sound... and then out they all stroll through the mail right past the piano player in what used to be called Dayton's... walks by without paying any attention to the music... and the camera follows them out into the parking lot briefly then turns... to show us Garth finishing up Little Islands... yeah, that works for me...

One more, video 3... I mean we gotta do something while we wait for the early morning posts to roll in... this one is the video for "Dark Star"... it's a NY to LA travel thing... kinda like a trip to the past too... but you never directly see Garth... only his reflection in shadows, windows and mirrors... like on a bus in busy NYC with lights whizing by... and then a train... and in the rear view mirror of a truck where he's in the back... later a trolley in SF... and a small airplane... and what you see is the blur of lights and activity passing by in time to the song... and the reflection indirectly amid the activity... and we also pan to the owl flying along side through out... then we just see the walking stick or dowsing stick... from Garth's eyes... as he walks in the hills of Griffith Park... then the owl again... then Garth holds up a pocket mirror... we see him... and he throws it down the hill... we follow the mirror and his reflection as it falls... and the owl flys right past it toward the viewer then veers off... and we follow the owl's gaze of the skyline as it approaches one hill in particular... and there is Garth sleeping on a couch... just like in that Elliot Landy picture... and then the mirror shatters... the owl flys through the breakage... and Garths wakes... and from his view we see Maud in purple velvet dress sit down next to him on the couch... and then it pans to the city below... what do ya think?... goodnight all... hope the show moves some folks in a good way...


Posted on Sat Aug 25 04:13:34 CEST 2001 from spider-tl071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.206)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Listening to the track 'Po' Boy' from the new Dylan album. Wow! This + another track I heard (forget the title)and I think we have a really special album to look forward to here. Excited!


Posted on Sat Aug 25 03:03:43 CEST 2001 from spider-wm062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.177)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

BONNIE: Don't be so sure that census data is as negative as you think. The U.S. is currently receiving high numbers of immigrants from Asia, Mexico, and India, etc. Many of these groups seek to live in there own communities to make the transition easier. My own ancestors 100-110 years ago went through the same assimilation processes in Italian and Polish neighborhoods (so now you know; no Confederate or Union ancestors here, except in spirit) Indians, Mexicans, Koreans, and Chinese, who make up todays larger immigrant groups, will naturally huddle together for various reasons from comfort to language to security to just plain familiarity. At the time of the Civil War, with the exception of the Chinese and Irish, there really were few immigrants compared to the scale of the 1880's on, so of course that data deals mainly with blacks whereas today's may be more broad. I don't take any issue with what you are saying; I am merely trying to see the glass as 1/2 full.


Posted on Sat Aug 25 02:11:53 CEST 2001 from spider-ntc-ta032.proxy.aol.com (198.81.16.32)

Kathy Herder

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Posted on Sat Aug 25 01:24:40 CEST 2001 from 1cust247.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net (63.20.247.247)

Bonnie

just a thought

The other day I read an article based on statistics from the 2000 census,stating that today American society is more segregated than at any time in its past. Was the civil rights movement of the 1960s for nothing? In contemplating that movement not only does one visualize the dogs, the fire hoses, and the long lines of marchers and demonstrators, but one also hears the music. Not only were there the standard gospel anthems such as "Oh Freedom", but there were many songs by popular (culture) performers. What immediately comes to mind are songs like Bob Dylan's "Blown in the Wind" and Pete Seeger's "If I had a Hammer" covered by Peter, Paul and Mary. There were also traditional songs such as The New Christy Minstrel's version of "The Drinking Gourd." For non-Americans the song refers to the Big Dipper and the escape north via the underground railroad.

However, there were other songs by groups like the CCR. John Fogerty sang, "I wrote a song for everyone, when I couldn't even talk to you. Got myself arrested -Wound me up in jail- Richmond's bout to go up - communication failed. If you see the answer, now's the time to say. What I want - all I want is to get you down to pray...Saw the people standing - thousand years in chains - Somebody said its different now, look its just the same. Pharaohs spin the message, round and round the truth. They could have saved a million people. How can I tell you. I wrote a song for everyone, I wrote a song for two. I wrote a song for everyone, when I couldn't even talk to you."

Although the 1960"s civil rights movement predated the national predominence of the band, the group addressed the issue in (?)1992,"Free Your Mind" when Levon sang"Please forgive for having straight hair-it sure don't mean my blood ain't there. I might be another race or color- Don't mean a thing cause I sure love my brother. Why oh why must it be this way - Before you can read me, you got to learn how to see me. Free your mind and the rest will follow. Free your mind- Don't be so shallow.

Although most of the rock musicians were not in the forefront of the civil rights movement, they provided a valuable service. Through their music, both lyrics and the changing composition of the bands they have managed over the years (probably unconsciously) to keep the issue in plain view for others to consider and perhaps changed a few attitudes along the way.

Back to the original thought. Are race relations really deteriorating in the United States or is the current situation an anomaly. At present there are no answers to that question. However, I like to be positive and take my philosophy from another 1960s song by the New Christy Minstrels. "Its gonna be fine, its just a matter of time, it's gonna be fine...Everybody's got there troubles cause these ain't easy times - it seems the whole worlds gone crazy, but there's no need in crying. Its gonna be fine...Don't let it get you down now -Hate takes a long time dying. But there's a new sun rising, and when we see it shine. Its gonna be fine...A peaceful road is a long hard road to climb, but don't dispair were gonna get there, if we keep on trying. It's gonna be fine, just wait and see, it's gonna fine. BR


Posted on Sat Aug 25 01:18:29 CEST 2001 from spider-wi072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.52)

Stuart Hruska

From: Westchhester, N.Y. / Colorado today

Well its 4:45 Colorado time and I've moved my son into his dormitory and set up his new computer. His freshman year will begin on Monday and it been a very exciting time for my family. The beauty of Colorado only helps to enhance the experience. I'm sitting here as excited as I can be about the show in Bearsville tonight, however its a show that we will miss, but we will certainly be there in spirit. Is the correct term "Break a Leg"? My very best wishes to Marie, Aaron, Mike Dimicco, Mike Dunn, Gary Burke, Tom Malone and especially Garth. I look foward to reading the reviews of the show tomorrow.


Posted on Sat Aug 25 00:01:49 CEST 2001 from spider-wd021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.156)

butch

From: Garthville

im off to see The Wizard,,,,, Go Garth GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! see ya'll later,,,,,,,,,, bd


Posted on Fri Aug 24 22:34:24 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.169)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Thanks Garth, for a great CD and all things past that have brought great pleasure. I hope tonight you sense the deep appreciation of all those touched by your music.

My fantasy has a big time movie producer dialing up the Hudsons right now to inform them that a tune from "Sea" has been chosen for the title track of a potential blockbuster movie release. The only question--"Where do I send the check?"

Have a great evening all and please hurry back to the GB with the details.


Posted on Fri Aug 24 21:42:09 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti024.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.159)

Amanda

I hope Garth has the most rockin' release party EVER! For those fortunate folks attending.....enjoy every moment! Best wishes to you all!!


Posted on Fri Aug 24 21:10:52 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

MattK & Dave: Thanks for the drum info. I've definately seen them before then and didn't realize that was a drum in 'Me & Julio'. How cool!


Posted on Fri Aug 24 20:51:54 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tj013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.23)

butch

From: near garthville

the one in the picture is a bit different than Maud's,,, hers has straps,, & that one in the picture has one head,, hers had two, ( or was it the other way around,,) so if ya have THAT one,, thats the one SHE needs,,,,,, thanks,,,,,,


Posted on Fri Aug 24 20:42:37 CEST 2001 from spider-tn061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.71)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

Can't wait to pick up the new Ronnie Earl CD. Levon is mighty proud of his contribution to this recording . He told me all about it this past May after the Barnburners show at Moondog's. I asked him what he'd been up to lately as far as side projects. He said that he had "big fun" making the CD and that "Ronnie Earl is one hot player Bubba."


Posted on Fri Aug 24 18:44:45 CEST 2001 from 15.houston-25rh16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net (12.83.17.15)

Jimmy O'Brien

From: TEXAS

Hey now, I'm missin on Rick. We shared the same B-day 12/9 and I sent him a card only to hear he died. It seems so long ago and then it seems only yesterday. Don't know if any body in the Band reads this but if they do... LEE COME BACK TO TEXAS!!! Much love and respect your Buddy in Austin, Jimmy


Posted on Fri Aug 24 17:41:58 CEST 2001 from spider-wc033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.33)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa
Web page

Here's the eBay site with a photo of the talking drum for those interested.


Posted on Fri Aug 24 17:32:56 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

JTull, the "African Talking Drum" or "dun dun" comes from modern-day Benin, though it's use has spread somewhat over time, and it's become a staple in US drum circles, right up there with the middle eastern Dumbek and Brazilian Damaru (also known as a "Monkey Drum" - which makes that deep-throated "hoo-hoo" sound you hear on Paul Simon's "Me and Julio").

Other drums sometimes are labeled as talking drums, and it's important to remember no one in Africa calls a drum a "talking drum." Generally speaking, however, when referring to a "talking drum" in the US, one means the "dun dun" (which means "sweet sound").

The drum is hollow, long, and hour-glass shaped and has hide stretched over one end with cords extending from the edge of the hide to the base of the drum, such that the cords run along the entire side of the drum. Since the drum is hour-glass shaped, the cords don't actually touch the body of the drum, creating an empty space underneath the cords. You can depress the cords a few inches and force the tones to go up and down as you play it (like a roto tom, except no "roto").

The effect sounds very much like a human voice or an animal, which is how it got its name outside Africa. Some people have purported that there is a syllabic language that goes with drums that masters can actually use to communicate (as you can with a tabla).

Whether or not this is fully true has been debated by ethnomusicologists (that name again) for quite some time. I suspect the guys in Africa would probably tell us that all sounds communicate, you just have to understand what they are saying.


Posted on Fri Aug 24 17:11:08 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Following the reissue project of the Byrds catalog by Sony, we have several different versions of that group's cover of "This Wheel's On Fire".

The "Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde" CD with bonus tracks contains two versions. The more familiar, original album version (recorded on 12/4/68) features Clarence White using a fuzztone with his stringbender Telecaster and Roger McGuinn's explosive synthesiser sounds. You can also distinguish drummer Gene Parsons' employing a loosened snare head. These are among the effects that Mr. Parsons has said that producer Bob Johnson suggested. Included in the bonus cuts, this CD also contains the previously unissued first studio take of the song. This earlier version has a more natural sound, most evident by the absence of the fuzztone effect on Mr. White's guitar. The clean sound of his B-stringbender gives the song more of a country feel. This is said to be the version that Clarence White preferred, and one can readily hear why.

The previously unissued "Live At The Fillmore (West)" CD, recorded Feb. 7-9, 1969 contains a fine concert version of "This Wheel's On Fire". Clarence White's snarling leads were often more agressively expressive when he played live and this version is an excellent example of how he gradually built tension into the song through his Telecaster. This version, by the way, was recorded a week after the release of the "Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde" album.

Finally, the "Untitled / Unissued" 2-CD set contains another live version of the song. This version is a previously unissued track, recorded at the Felt Forum N.Y.C. on 3/1/70, and clocks in at a minute or so longer than their previous versions.


Posted on Fri Aug 24 16:53:15 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Curious: What is an 'African talking drum'? Also, been listening to a bootleg of Rick doing The Shape I'm in from the '89 All-Starr Tour. God, it sounds good, better than I remember him doing it from the post-Richard Band shows. Also some great backing vocals (Rick & Levon) on Clarence Clemmens' 'Over & Over' (if that is the correct title.)


Posted on Fri Aug 24 16:34:04 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Whoo hoo, new Ronnie Earl album imminent. Check out "What's New" today. It's an all-star affair with Levon on drums, Luther Johnson, Irma Thomas, James Cotton, and Kim Wilson among others.

It will be interesting to see how this sounds. Ronnie has been known to include other players on his albums before as a kind of tribute. This is the first time, since he started his full-on solo career after leaving Roomful of Blues, that he's not used at least a portion of his normal band.

As much as I enjoy the playing of Ronnie's usual drummer, Per Hanson (a local guy here in the Portland area), I'm excited to hear Levon playing with (IMHO) one of the top 5 blues guitarists out there today on a full album, and not just a few guest tracks.


Posted on Fri Aug 24 15:37:57 CEST 2001 from stcatherines-ppp109095.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.26)

Richard Patterson

From: St Catharines

For anybody who lives along Hwy 3 in Ontario (London, Simcoe, Buffalo, Welland etc.) Ronnie Hawkins (_not_ the Rusty Nails kid) will be second on the bill tomorrow night (Saturday) with the Tragically Hip at the Dunnville Music Festival. It's an all day affair that kicks off at 11 AM at the Dunnville Airport (you can't miss it if you drive to Dunnville - it's a one horse/plane town). Also on the bill is Carol Pope and Rough Trade. Should be a good party! I'll report back on how good Ronnie Hawkins is. Seems Ronnie is getting pretty actively into gigging again because he is also on our local Brock University Concert schedule for next spring. Wow a cool show coming up in St Catharines! Bound to happen once a year : ).

Also noticed a date announced for Bob Dylan in Toronto (Nov 8 at Air Canada Center) with no Buffalo or Rochester dates in sight... Get your tickets kids!


Posted on Fri Aug 24 06:43:24 CEST 2001 from 03-146.066.popsite.net (64.24.64.146)

Richard Wall

Greetings, Friends:

MAUD HUDSON NEEDS OUR HELP!!!

Her African talking drum, which she was planning to play at tomorrow night's Bearsville concert, is broken. She and Garth have looked high and low for a replacement, and now they are turning to us.

Anybody and everybody with an African talking drum, PLEASE bring it to the show. It will be very much appreciated!

(If you'd like to see what they look like, there is one for sale now on ebay. The show starts at 9:00. No other drums, please.)

Thanks a lot. See you there...


Posted on Fri Aug 24 03:30:51 CEST 2001 from 1cust187.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.57.187)

Maryelbone

Henry - I don't know where you got your information from about rick being out with one of the guys from Three Men and a dog after the cambridge show, but the truth is he went back to his hotel with friends. I know this because I was one of the friends who went back to the hotel with him and we hung out with Levon and some other friends.


Posted on Fri Aug 24 01:07:50 CEST 2001 from 1cust173.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.173)

HI

There was a very short story in the Kingston Freeman today that a State judge stayed the foreclosure which of course means it didn't happen.Now it goes to another judge to be heard.So that's good!


Posted on Fri Aug 24 00:37:24 CEST 2001 from spider-tf063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.203)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Listening to the Cash version right now: It is really good. Can't wait to check out Ray Charles' Ophelia. Why couldn't he cover a Manual track!


Posted on Fri Aug 24 00:00:33 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-108.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.108)

Peter Viney

forgot:

Bacon Fat- Taj Mahal (Robertson-Hudson)

I Shall Be Released – Elvis fragment (like The Beatles fragment, just because it’s Elvis)

Embracing the basement tapes:

You ain’t Goin Nowhere – the Byrds

Clothes Line Saga- Suzzy & Maggie Roche

The Mighty Quinn – Manfred Mann (The Band never did ‘Davey’s on The road Again’ – but RR and John Simon wrote it)



Posted on Thu Aug 23 23:30:35 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-067.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.67)

Peter Viney

OK. Here gioes:

‘The Weight’ - Aretha Franklin

‘This Wheel’s On Fire’ - Marianne Faithful & P.P. Arnold (Theme to Absolutely Fabulous two part special, broadcast November 6,7 1996)

‘Lonesome Suzie’ – Blood, Sweat & Tears

‘To Kingdom come’ – The Beatles (fragment on bootleg set The Get Back Journals, 1996 )

‘Dixie’- Johnny Cash

‘Rag Mama Rag’ – Little Feat, 2000

‘Sleeping’- Cold Cut

‘Mystery train’ (with RR lyrics)- The Neville Bros

‘Ophelia’- Ray Charles

‘Evangeline’- Emmylou Harris

‘Davey’s on the Road Again’ – Manfred Mann

Twilight- Shaun Colvin

Small Town Talk- Paul Butterfield’s Better Days



Posted on Thu Aug 23 23:26:22 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

lee

From: jurassic period
Web page

"When I look back on the past
it's a wonder I'm not yet extinct
all the mistakes and bad judgments I made
nearly pushed me to the brink
it doesn't pay to be too nice,
it's the one thing I have learned
still I made my fossil bed
now I toss and turn
I'm a dinosaur, somebody is digging my bones"
Adrian Belew, "Dinosaur"

Lyrics courtesy of above website which is a fan-run officially sanctioned affair somewhat like this one right here and worth a visit, especially if you are not familiar with Mr. Belew and his work. While some might say it has nothing in common with The Band (some of it is Beatlesque, though) much of it has a personal quality I find charming

If listening to/collecting/reflecting on music and times past makes me a dinosaur, so be it. I'm open to new music, just don't hear much that tickles the earbones, or that I feel will still give me pleasure to listen to 20 or 30 years from now. Nor have I found any more rewarding or pleasureable online discussion than this one right here. I'd love to be 'turned on' (to use a dinosaur expression) to either. Any moron can bash at something and tear it down. It takes talent, intelligence, and spirit to actually build something. (Sorry, getting a little misty there...)

Did the bike ride with "Sea To The North" as my soundtrack. Great cycling music! I had an uneasy feeling about "The Ballad of Cyrus..." and it's choppy sort of rhythm, but pedalling to the beat helped put it in perspective. With that settled, the rest of the album fell nicely into place to score a lesiurely ride through sleepy suburbia lit by porchlights and that blue TV glow. Unfortunately during the last track I got surprised by a swiftly moving auto at a four-way stop and made the mistake of hitting my front brake a bit too hard. Did you know it's hard to to stay ON a bicycle that is standing on it's front wheel? Needless to say the mood was somewhat shattered, but thankfully no bones. I'll be back in the saddle tonight. Either Robbie's 1st solo, or the Crowmatix "JAM". (And my helmet this time.)

Full reports on the Woodstock gig are manditory, you lucky devils!


Posted on Thu Aug 23 22:42:24 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Off the top of my head -- if I was putting together a CDR of Band covers (in addition to the aforementioned Johnny Cash version), I would include these rarities:

Ray Charles--"Ophelia" (Brother Ray Is At It Again 1980)
Don Rich & The Buckaroos--"The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" (Rompin and Stompin 1970)
Freddie Weller--"Up On Cripple Creek" (Listen To The Young Folks 1975)
Marty Stuart--"The Shape I'm In" (Marty Stuart 1992)

All of the above, I believe, are available only on the original vinyl albums mentioned in parenthesis.

I've always been partial to Shawn Colvin's fine version of "Twilight" which is thankfully available on her aptly titled 1994 CD "Cover Girl".


Posted on Thu Aug 23 22:27:03 CEST 2001 from spider-ti013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.178)

'possum

HEY EVERYBODY!

Finally found the last available rooms in the Woodstock Area!!!

The Sky Top Motel between Woodstock and Kingston still have a few rooms available for $85 per night. The only catch they have a two-night stay minimum. Phone them directly at (845) 331-2900. Minutes from historic Kingston; 10 minutes from Woodstock; 25 miles from Hunter; within 20 minutes of New York's finest wineries. Noted for its panoramic view of the Catskills - overlooking Kingston - Sky Top's hill is believed to have been a vantage point for the British during their invasion of Kingston in 1777.

Sky Top Motel, Route 28, Kingston, NY 12401 Phone:(845) 331-2900


Posted on Thu Aug 23 22:14:42 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-162.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.162)

Peter Viney

Brent- dunno. I often drop an exquisite pearl of wisdom that no one picks up on. Then say something casually that people do pick up on it. It’s not being ignored. Just chance.

Nancy & Amanda: wish I’d seen Ike & Tina when I was a little girl, but it was only on TV. I’ll buy Ike’s album for the music, but I don’t overlook the bad stuff. Similarly a long interview with Linda Thompson made me a dedicated Lindanista (if I wasn’t already) and definitely coloured my opinions about Richard T since. In this case, it was sustained psychological aggresion that left her too shattered in confidence to sing a note. That’s a huge loss. I hear there’s a new album on the way at last though.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 21:57:09 CEST 2001 from spider-wj081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.56)

Amanda

Brent: Thanks for putting the light on Johnny Cash's version of "Dixie". I just watched his biography on CMT about a week ago. I love to hear him sing Leonard Cohen's "Bird On a Wire". The words to that song have so much honesty and Cash's voice almost breaks your heart.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 21:55:17 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

From: The Rumor
Web page

If you were putting together a mix tape or cd of cover versions of Band songs, what would be on it? Or are there even enough decent ones to fill a side?


Posted on Thu Aug 23 21:41:00 CEST 2001 from user-33qt990.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.32)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

I know John Denver has his backers in here, but Tanya Tucker's version of TNTDODD challenges anyone's.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 21:12:47 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

From: The Rumor
Web page

Aw shucks, nice of you folks to respond! Carmen, you can hear the Cash cover by clicking the link above.

I agree with David, the song remains authentic and believable in Cash's hands.

Garth's album is incredible- a synthesis of so many styles yet still cohesive. Here's hoping that it does well.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 20:54:26 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

From: pa

I never heard the J Cash version. Can I still get it?


Posted on Thu Aug 23 20:48:49 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Brent: do hope you know I was kidding about 'ignoring you'. I can't wait to go home and check out the Johnny Cash versio of Dixie. Actually, I can pretty much here it in my head already, just by plugging in Cash's voice and style mentally. Now if I can just tune in the aliens from Mars...


Posted on Thu Aug 23 20:04:46 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Brent -- I, for one, am not ignoring your recent post. It's just taking awhile lately to scroll through the guestbook to figure out what's goin' on. I think Johnny Cash's version of "TNTDODD" is great. His take on that song, with that rich, deep voice, adds such an emotional authenticity -- he sounds as if he really is Virgil Caine. Both Mr. Cash and Levon Helm grew up on farmland in Arkansas. Mr. Cash was born in Kingsland, which is three counties over to the southwest from Levon's birthplace of Marvell. When they sing "like my father before me, I will work the land", it rings true.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 19:09:10 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

Brent: OK, I'm ignoring you :)


Posted on Thu Aug 23 18:48:30 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

From: The Rumor

Obviously people like Java post that kind of crap because they get attention from everyone. The suggestion of ignoring them is a good one. The funny thing is, occasional posters like myself are COMPLETELY ignored by most of the "regulars". I have posted, several times, what I considered to be thoughtful questions or comments that I hadn't read about before here, only to have them totally ignored. oh well, perhaps I should start slandering band members if I want a response...


Posted on Thu Aug 23 18:38:44 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

I've bumped into numerous celebrities in restaurants, airports, hotel lobbies, etc. I never approach them and even pretend not to notice just so as not not make them uncomfortable. Now, If my wife and I were in a McDonalds and had some weirdo stand and stare at us, you bet we would wolf down our food at an incredible rate and get the hell out of there. Of course, were it me and not the gentlemanly Garth, Mr. Java would be WEARING my Big Mac.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 18:30:19 CEST 2001 from ben.mcc.wwwcache.ja.net (194.82.103.138)

Roger Woods

From: Birmingham UK

Henry, I enjoyed the Forum. I got a real buzz from seeing the re-formed band. These guys had been the best and I was overjoyed and privileged to catch them again. I thought the music was good. It wasn't brilliant but it was good. OK, Rick was out of it that night but there was something special about seeing Levon, Garth and Rick perform together again. I love Jericho and appreciated seeing the 'new' Band. Musically - I've been to many worse gigs by top names. The only thing I really find sad about the Forum is that it was to be the last time I'd see Rick perform.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 18:29:29 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

From: pa

For those interested, I came across this:

Greetings from bobdylan.com! The release of "Love And Theft" is only a few weeks away and we are really excited to announce that a free download of "Po' Boy" will be available next Monday, August 20. On that day, visit http://bobdylan.com/updates/ for a link to download the song. It will be in Windows Media format, so if you need to download the Windows Media Player, visit http://www.windowsmedia.com/ today!


Posted on Thu Aug 23 18:12:10 CEST 2001 from (164.36.141.76)

Henry Tompkins

From: 3 Miles Down the Road

Re: Peter Viney's overview of the '96 European Tour/Loreley DVD.

I had the misfortune to attend the Forum gig when indeed Rick's performance was absolutely appalling - he had obviously overdone the sauce (pompous Brit speak for "beer"). I understood that he had been out after the Cambridge date, the night before, with a member of the support act "Three Men and a Dog" (said artiste didn't even make the Forum - food poisoning allegedly) and an English musician with a legendary capacity for alcoholic beverage. Rumour has it that the Englishman, allegedly, ended the session in hospital having his stomach pumped. Perhaps Rick came out of it fairly well then!

The Forum was a sad coda to a brilliant career. Garth, Levon and the others worked their balls off to try and cover for Rick's shortcomings but it wasn't to be: Sad.

Chug-a-lug


Posted on Thu Aug 23 16:19:19 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

People may or may not realize that McD's will often different specialty foods geared to a specific region. If they catch on, they find their way in other parts of the McD's empire. The lucky few become the next McNugget. In New England, we have the McLobster Roll (with Pedro Martinez as pitchman with a guy in lobster suit -- baseball fans will understand how surreal that is). The South brought us the McRib. California brought us McSushi. I'm not making this up. AnyMcway, I've written McDonalds' international McHeadquarters to McProtest the McDino burger I understand they've begun McMarketing up in New McBrunswick (McCanada?). I received a McPhone call from their McMarketing department, and was told it was part of their 21st Century McStrategy to capture the McYouth McMarket.

I was told they actually tried this back in the Mc90s, but they were McSued by Hannah Barbara over the naming of their McBronto Burger.

Ok, now who wants to McE-mail me and give me the skinny on the deleted post? Pure stupidity doesn't usually bring the wrath of Jan...


Posted on Thu Aug 23 15:56:15 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

From: Georgia

I was going to respond to Java's post, but misplaced my combination reading light/magnifying glass...turns out my dog Darryl had decided to turn it into a chew toy. My other dog Darryl was barking to beat the band to alert me, but I was unable to hear him as my cat Larry was playing soccer with my hearing aid.

All seriousness aside, music appreciation has neither age limits nor minimums; if Java has some serious criticism of The Band to put forth, I'm sure many here would be happy to debate him/her on those points. We can only speculate what he/she has in his/her music collection. What we do know is that he/she has a sophomoric sense of humor and questionable taste in restaraunts.

All together now, say it loud..."I'm a dinosaur and I'm proud!


Posted on Thu Aug 23 13:47:53 CEST 2001 from spider-tj012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.177)

Brien Sz

From: nj

I don't care if Watkins Glen is bogus, I still enjoy it!

mmmmmmmmmm dinosaur.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 12:19:04 CEST 2001 from i153-171.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.171)

Nancy

From: Australia

Reading the GB is a health hazard!!! I was absentmindedly reading Amanda's recent post but in my state of mind thought it was one of Peter Viney's: that is, I thought it was Peter talking in a kinda upbeat way which sounded very cool, until I got to the spot where Amanda (Peter) menioned that she/he had seen Ike and Tina when she was a "little girl". Hmmmmmm this worried me briefly, but then I realised that if Peter had wanted to have a sex change at some time, it was no business of mine to be surprised. btw Peter, I enjoyed that bneep-budgie-cold-not cold joke...it was very funny!!


Posted on Thu Aug 23 10:16:24 CEST 2001 from spider-wm023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.158)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland

I would like to say that I, for one, have never eaten a dinosaur at McDonalds. They must be test marketing that in Canada. I have to admit anyone screwed up enough to make fat jokes about Garth Hudson's wife is stuck in something even more goofy than the seventies! And I sold my Watkins Glen on Ebay, got a great price and applyed it to the reissues. We oldsters get resourseful!


Posted on Thu Aug 23 06:38:28 CEST 2001 from spider-wa033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.33)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

I feel the need to pass on some advice that was given to me right from this GB - Ignore this blithering fool and he/she will eventually go away. I can tell you this from my own experiences in this guestbook. The minds of these simpeltons are easily ammused when they get under our skin and get a reaction. It boggles the mind to think that some folks have nothing better to do - but they don't.

Let us be proud, McDonalds eating dinosaurs, and let this latest borderline psychotic drift away.

Bob and Bruce - nice photos of Levon. He looks really good. Thanks.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 06:03:02 CEST 2001 from stjhts26d002.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.241.131)

Java

From: the great divide

Entry deleted. The "nb.ca." domain will be denied access to The Band site if this continues. --jh


Posted on Thu Aug 23 04:00:54 CEST 2001 from dialup-377.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.121)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

Boring Old Farts....Dinosaurs.......these terms are absolutely meaningless.....and therefore, no one should feel threatened by them....or feel they should have to defend themselves when being accused of being one.......It really doesn't matter WHEN music was made if you hear it and it moves ya........you would'nt accuse anybody into the songs of Stephen Foster or Percy French or the music of Mozart or Benny Goodman or Louis Armstrong of being an old fart or a dinosaur, would you?.......so why should anyone into The Band or The Stones or Elvis or Chuck or Little Richard or Buddy Holly or Led Zep or The Doors or The Sex Pistols be one?..........I'm telling ya, folks, the only reason anyone would come to The GB and insult members of The Band is becuase of Jealousy and Hatred......which is to be expected because as The Band/Hawks are so Loved and Admired by folks, there just HAS to be some folks who'll hate them just as much......As I said in a previous post, they set REALLY high standards for ANY group of musicians to live up to.......they're BOUND to be hated by some folks......this place is TOO easy for people like that.......folks like that are best ignored despite the fact they write some REALLY nasty stuff


Posted on Thu Aug 23 03:10:30 CEST 2001 from mat-5-16.enter.net (207.16.155.210)

Little Brøther

From: Upper Darby by way of Philadelphia, PA, USA

-- Thanks for the new Levon photos; that fine Pocono Mountain air seems to agree with Lee!

-- OK, I'm not such a purist that I can't go along with the "mbeep" interpretation. Peter's comment reminded me of a "Simpsons" episode in which June Bellamy, the voice of Itchy & Scratchy, claims that SHE voiced the Road Runner's cry. But the network only let her record one "mbeep" and looped in the other, she adds-- the cheap bastards.

-- Ben Pike, your Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come remarks are the most trenchant and succinct since you stepped down to say, "This ol' town's gonna blow away!" A-men!


Posted on Thu Aug 23 02:42:47 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb052.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.42)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

Notes on old fartdom: Yes, let us be real, we are hanging on to a piece of the past. Musicly speaking, it is not a hard pitfall to encounter since there is so little in the present to distract us. But in any case Java, you best watch your taunts, speaking as someone on the young end of old fartdom...you will be here soon enough. Wrinkles will appear. Stiffness. The folly of the world will sting more than amuse; you will be getting up in the middle of the night to take a leak. Death, which will rob you of your marker in the world quite soon after you vanish, will start to wave from around the corner. So watch your taunts; you may hear them from the reciving end.


Posted on Thu Aug 23 00:42:28 CEST 2001 from spider-wn074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.184)

Amanda

David Powell: You have a great point about separating the artist's contribution from the artist's personal life. I can definitely handle it most of the time. The Ike/Tina thing is just one of those stories that I can't ignore. I admire Tina Turner so much and the hell she went through with Ike was so tragic. A man who beats his wife in front of her children...that is something I just can't overlook. Violence and abuse sucks! I can't even stand to hear someone say OJ instead of orange juice. I actually did see Ike and Tina years ago in the 70s when I was a young girl. My mom and her sisters took me to see them at the Rainbow Room in Memphis.

The new posting of pictures of Levon are so cool!!! It made me feel so good to see him so tan and healthy looking. Levon Helm is just so alive and living each day doing what he loves and what he was meant to do. He is such an inspiration to me.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 23:31:12 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-041.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.41)

Peter Viney

I'll double my apology to Serge regarding Java - we may have had our differences of opinion, but I am 100% sure Serge would not be bad-mouthing Garth.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 22:39:03 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.154)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Joe Frey, I'll drink to that !!


Posted on Wed Aug 22 22:37:42 CEST 2001 from raindel.jvlnet.com (216.145.200.249)

Ann

I hear you Amanda regarding Ike Turner. That article Little Brother linked to makes him sound pretty creepy. But I also have to agree with David Powell and the others regarding they way alot of artists have conducted their lives. I've seen Sinatra, Chuck Berry and the Stones (not all at once but wouldn't that have been an interesting show?) so why not Ike Turner. I think I'll just have to pick up that new CD John D mentioned and let the music decide.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 22:29:50 CEST 2001 from dialup-166.90.70.219.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.70.219)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

yeah, yeah, I know we're all supposed to ignore dimwits like Java (gosh, a cybername based on a computer language--how 21st century)....

Well, Java, you got to come in and tell everyone how truly hip you are, and I'm no doubt certain that everyone here is terribly impressed with you. And that cute little "Who, me?" thing after you wrote "I saw Garth and Maude in McDonalds last nite. Wow, those two can eat!" I guess that's really 21st century too. I guess it's part of the 21st Century that only made New Brunswick, because most of the rest of the world, no matter what century, has more class, more humane instincts, more intelligence, and more manners than to post the shit you deem necessary to define your existence.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 22:03:42 CEST 2001 from (149.10.179.4)

joe frey

From: albany,ny

Been listening to Garth's new one a lot lately. It really made me miss how effective Garth is in creating music, not simply playing on somebody's record, but being a central force in the overall creation of the piece. When you listen to the remastered Band cds you can't help but appreciate his contributions even more.

I hope that other musicians will hear this record and ask Garth to join with them in the creation of new music. Imagine what we would get if Garth joined forces with Wayne Shorter and Joe Zawinul as equal partners?

If not that, lets hope that this will not be the only cd of music that Garth will share with us.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 21:53:01 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti024.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.159)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Shit Stirring 101 is down the hall.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 21:33:15 CEST 2001 from stjhts23c100.nbnet.nb.ca (207.179.171.105)

Java

From: not dixie

Hey G-Man, just who am I supposedly bad mouthing? Who is this person who has fallen on hard times anyway?


Posted on Wed Aug 22 21:31:23 CEST 2001 from spider-we013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.23)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Geez, just yesterday I was on Monster.com and there were ten or more jobs posted for "sound guy"... I wake up this morning and they are all gone... anyway, glad to hear the Travelin' Gals had a good trip... but if I remember right, the U of MN doesn't start til late Sept... so there's a few more shows open, huh?!?! and a chance to chip some more toenails...

btw wouldn't it be cool if everybody who went to the Garth show on the 24th... who visits here occasionally... even as a lurker... posted something?... even if just a statement that they were there... that would be kinda cool?... I wonder what's the largest number of GB post-reviews we've had for a single show?...

Finally, my family reviews of Sea... are filtering back in... my folks sent their copy back... said it was too far out for them (Not sure they fully recovered from 70's but the sense of humor is intact)... so I forwarded it on to a sister-in-law who's into west coast jazz... and my youngest brother who is our family's computer/music "dude" said he thought the production was great... and was personally surprised at how well Garth played the piano... gotta go now, I'm listening to Gord's "Painter" in background today...


Posted on Wed Aug 22 20:23:57 CEST 2001 from (209.166.233.21)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Bob Wigo & Bruce, thanks for the great photos of Levon & co! Nice!


Posted on Wed Aug 22 19:55:18 CEST 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

From: The Rumor

What about Johnny Cash's version of "Dixie", which is available here on the site? I'm interested to hear what people think of it- I dig it.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 18:58:22 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Regarding Ike Turner -- What's love, or the lack thereof, got to do with it, you may ask? I'll admit it's often difficult to separate the artistic contributions from the facts surrounding the life of the artist. When it comes to personal relationships, Mr. Turner's certainly not alone in this department. Should we overlook the artistic contributions of Frank Sinatra, Chuck Berry, Mick Jagger or Elvis, just to name a few, because of the way they conducted their lives?

The life of a performer, especially when on the road, is not exactly conducive to rational behavior. It's an impossible way of life -- where have we heard that before? Mr. Jagger, himself, once sang "it's the singer not the song". Did he have that all wrong?


Posted on Wed Aug 22 18:28:35 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime P.S.

Ilkka my friend... is this what you mean by Ragtime bashing? ;-[


Posted on Wed Aug 22 18:24:10 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: Exceeding the boundaries of Spam City

Help!

All of a sudden someone is suffocating my Hotmail account. 329 Junk mail messages yesterday, 324 today. The normal amount is 15 a day, which is very irritating too, but this...

The only probable connection I can think of is this guestbook...


Posted on Wed Aug 22 18:11:05 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.174)

Amanda

Web page

To all Dinosaurs and Dinosaur Lovers: Please see the link above. The article was posted on www.expectingrain.com.

I don't understand why anyone would find Peter Viney offensive in any way. I admire his knowledge of music and appealing writing style. I feel that he likes to share information and never does he appear to be showing off. In fact, he just proved recently that he can be quite a hoot. His remark "Jerry Garcia’s version of Dixie turns it into a lengthy choogle which would be pleasant enough live while conducting a wine-tasting session with (e.g.) Al Stewart." Thanks for the vision and the laugh!

I agree that Ike Turner deserves a spot in the History of Music, but as a Woman and specifically a Wife and Mother....I could not and would not support that man in any way shape or form. I must say though....ROCK ON TINA!!!!!


Posted on Wed Aug 22 16:28:27 CEST 2001 from p3e9ecd1c.dip.t-dialin.net (62.158.205.28)

burn heart

From: heaven
Web page

just a guest looking 4 ringos rotogravure. be lucky


Posted on Wed Aug 22 16:12:47 CEST 2001 from as9-d103-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.187.103)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Jens,

The bit of Levon you heard was from a PBS special titled "Mississippi: River of Song".

Levon was interviewed in the special about blues music in and around Marvel Arkansas and Memphis, and about King Biscuit Flower Hour.

In addition to the PBS special, there was also a double CD, which I'm not sure if it's available any more. Check the PBS website.

Interestingly, Levon performed with James Cotton, Chuck Berry's "Back To Memphis". A while back, this track (circa 1997) was also avaliable for download at CDNOW for 2 or 3 bucks!



Posted on Wed Aug 22 16:00:30 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Java or whoever you are(?).....your post puts ya on my all time list! Just below goat shit and pond scum!! You really think commenting about someone, especially who has fallen on hard times is kewl!!! 21st century!!!!!! Mongols had more table manners than you,son!! Everbody sure has a rite to their opinion(s)but to get personal ain't kewl, son!!! Learn some manners, then maybe you'll progress from a low life to the 15th century!!


Posted on Wed Aug 22 15:20:40 CEST 2001 from (137.187.146.245)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD
Web page

"Newly restored print" of TLW! Check out the link above.

Mattk - Surely your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek with the "pleasant mannered center fielder" comment! True to form, our Sox are falling apart just as the Bambino would have it.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 13:35:00 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp222.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.222)

Diamond Lil

MattK: Yikes! I didn't know that John Denver did a cover of 'Dixie'. I obviously haven't heard it (and geez.. I don't think I want to :-) The only thing I ever cared for by him was "Rocky Mountain High". I did however, really like the film "Oh God" (but mostly because I've always figured that if there is a God, he's probably alot like George Burns :-)

Hoping to see some of you friday night in Bearsville. Let's make this a night that Garth and Maud won't easily forget!

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 10:37:33 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-056.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.56)

Peter Viney

Jens: Sounds like it’s ‘Going Back to Memphis’ by Levon Helm & James Cotton from :The Mississippi – River of Song’ (Smithsonian Folkways 1998)- it must be in the discography on site somewhere. It’s a 2CD set, which is very varied in styles- just the one Levon track.

Charlie Hawker: The documentary “Classic Albums: The Band” (Eagle Rock) was released in both the USA (NTSC) and Europe (PAL). It was in Virgin when I was in Chicago in June – I noticed because it has a different sleeve to the European one, and I thought for a wonderful moment it was something new. There are about 12 albums in the”Classic Albums” series. For ‘Last waltz’ rumours search the GB archive & What’s New (last couple of months).

This beep / meep / mbeep problem isn’t as easy as it looks. Is every (?)eep in each Roadrunner cartoon a loop of the same recorded (?)eep, or do they differ? That’s in just one cartoon. What about different cartoons? What about different batches in different years? I have to say I’ve lost a lot of mbeep- sleep – on this conundrum. And in response to Bill’s scientific enquiry, I remember being told that you catch colds from budgies (parakeets?) so birds must get colds. Or maybe it was toilet seats, not budgies. And maybe it wasn’t colds. Pmeep pmeep.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 09:00:20 CEST 2001 from proxy.newmedia.no (212.71.66.13)

Jens Magnus

From: Norway
Web page

I was driving home yesterday, listening to norwegian broadcasting. A reporter talked about a new compilation of american music, called River Song. This contained music along the Mississippi, from Minnesota to New Orleans.

Suddenly there was Levon! Hoarse and old, but singing the blues with all his guts. Only 30 seconds of the song was played, but it sounded nice. Acoustic guitars, bass, and I guess Levon on drums.

He was even mentioned by the reporter as Levon Helm from the legendary group THE BAND!! Anyone else heard this record?


Posted on Wed Aug 22 08:24:52 CEST 2001 from sdn-ar-001caoaklp104.dialsprint.net (168.191.206.64)

Charlie Hawker

From: San Francisco Bay Area

Hello. This is my first posting. I love the Band and this website is great. Thank you for keeping this going.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I could find the VH-1 documentary DVD on the making of the Brown album. I can't find it anywhere. Also I heard that they are going to release The Last Waltz on DVD is this true? Thanks.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 06:40:37 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-112-84.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.84)

BWNWITennessee

I don't know if it's been bantered about yet in this bantatorium, but someone gave me a copy of the Oxford American magazine's music issue (on newstands now!). I'm sure it'd be of interest to most here - it focuses on current and traditional Southern music - mostly folk/blues. It even has a review of Levon's book. It also has a pretty good cover photo, to boot.

Ike Turner was on Conan O'Brien recently; he seemed pretty good to me. I've been wanting to see him. Not to defend him, but there are plenty of other respected musicians whose fans overlook or forgive similar behavior; but because Ike had a book and movie made about what a jerk he was, people demonize him. It's kind of unfair.

(Sorry about the sudden and mysterious disapearance, which I'm sure was cause for a great deal of distress and anxiety for most of you. I was on sabatical in an attempt to relieve the stress of continuously posting witty and clever anecdotes on this here Guestbook. I went down (up?) the shore in Jersey to soak up some rays. Didn't make it to Somer's Point. But yes, I am now, after a week on the beach, in possesion of a tan almost equal to the background color of The Band Guestbook.)


Posted on Wed Aug 22 05:11:54 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-178-203.maine.rr.com (24.25.178.203)

MattK

As a Red Sox fan, I have it on good authority that dinosaurs never existed, courtesy our pleasant mannered center fielder...


Posted on Wed Aug 22 05:08:38 CEST 2001 from mat-10-16.enter.net (207.16.156.210)

Little Brøther

From: Upper Darby by way of Philadelphia, PA, USA

Yeah, Crabby, I found the link surprisingly diverting-- I expected some browser-crashing trick, but I couldn't pass it up.

As far as a "Band" link-- it IS a "Spot Nicky Love" test, isn't it? Which car is Robbie's?


Posted on Wed Aug 22 04:40:38 CEST 2001 from 1cust91.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.57.91)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Well, at least there was one worthwhile post tonight! Thanks tinah448!!


Posted on Wed Aug 22 04:06:59 CEST 2001 from dialup-345.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.89)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

It's amazing to see that Love and Admiration of The Band frightens some folks.........For one reason or another, The Band/Hawks STILL have the capacity to frighten the living shit outta some people......some folks just cannot deal with how great they were and how great their music and performance will always be............They set an almost impossible standard to follow........


Posted on Wed Aug 22 03:45:42 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tf054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.44)

Brien Sz

From: where my Chinese food is yummy

I don't know about some of you guys BUT, I always thought dinosaurs were cool AND if Hollywood has taught us anything, dinosaurs KICK ASS!


Posted on Wed Aug 22 02:58:15 CEST 2001 from x128-101-249-215.dialup.umn.edu (128.101.249.215)

Travelin' Gals

From: Lurker Mode

Finally back from Rhode Island and the Poconos. Our toenail polish is chipped, but we managed to keep our sandals on. The Barnburners tore up Newport. Amy's absence was heard on "Water Rising", but Frankie stepped up for the harmonies. Pat and Chris, as always, were amazing, and Levon looked as if he were having a blast.

The large number of military guys at both shows appreciated "Dress Blues", as well as a less familiar (new?) marine song. The bikers in the Poconos took to their feet after the transition into "Mystery Train." (Dave Z: The sound guy in the Poconos seemed a little distracted, so we must have done our job turning heads...)

Thanks to everyone who made it a memorable experience.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 02:40:38 CEST 2001 from as10-d62-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.191.62)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

For the record, nobody has dragged me kicking or screaming into anything since a good old-fashioned country doctor dragged me into this world from my mother's womb 28 years ago.

Furthermore, people have posted differing opinions in here before, and that's okay, but Java's last post was just full of mean-spirited drivel.

I suggest that we BAND together (pun intended) and simply ignore Java's posts from this point forward.

An idea I had a while back: Yahoo Chat has an ignore feature so that you can ignore annoying chat-room visitors. Is there any way Jan could install such a feature and make it work for a guestbook?

If so, would any other GB'ers be interested in such a thing?

Just curious.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 02:06:53 CEST 2001 from stjhts18c63.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.254.68)

Java

From: everywhere

Who is Serge? And yes, I am from New Brunswick, Canada and proud of it. See you later you old dinosaurs. I saw Garth and Maude in McDonalds last nite. Wow, those two can eat! And by the way, my email address is legit. I would love to hear from some of you old fossils. Drop me a line and I will take you kicking and screaming into the 21st century you bunch of relics. Have a good day :o)


Posted on Wed Aug 22 01:36:06 CEST 2001 from spider-tf064.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.204)

JTULL fan

From: Richmond

Funny to think I inadvertantly started the 'beep beep' 'meep meep' discussion with my Monty Python posting for 'neep neep'. BAD SONG THREAD: I know Baez's TNTDODD takes the prize as most vomit-inducing cover of all time, but has anyone heard Siouxie and the Banshees version of This Wheel's on Fire? It's better than Baez but by how much is debatable.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 00:25:46 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-172-146.hvc.rr.com (24.164.172.146)

Tom/Woodstock Records

From: Woodstock,New York
Web page

Howdy All !

Just a quick note, we are almost down to the wire for the GARTH HUDSON ~ GRAHAM PARKER ~ PROFESSOR LOUIE & THE CROWMATIX show at Bearsville Theatre - Fri. 8/24/01

I have received questions from some of you out of towners, regarding ticket sales, Here's the deal.

The following local outlets will have tickets (cash only) until Thurs. 8/23:

Burt's Electronics - Albany Ave. Kingston,NY - (845) 331-5011

Abrams Music -Hudson Valley Mall - Kingston,NY - (845) 336-4344

Golden Notebook - Tinker Street - Woodstock,NY - (845) 679-8000 

Jack's Rhythms - Main Street, New Paltz,NY - (845) 255-1082

TICKETS ON FRIDAY 8/24 - UNTIL 6PM. Rhythms - Tinker Street - Woodstock,NY - (845) 679-4349 

After that tickets will be on sale at the Bearsville Theatre box office at 7:00pm. - FIRST COME,FIRST SERVE - (We CANNOT hold tickets) - We do anticipate a sellout, so please get there early. See you all there, it will definately be one of those "magic" Woodstock evenings.

Peace, Tom/Woodstock Records


Posted on Wed Aug 22 00:21:21 CEST 2001 from spider-wj082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.57)

Ben Pike

From time to time, it is only fair to ask...Has ANYBODY ever heard Olvia Newton John's "In A Station?"


Posted on Wed Aug 22 00:14:05 CEST 2001 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

With nothing on TV worth watching last night/this morning, it was--what else? The Last Waltz again, 'phones on, volume turned up. There's always something new to catch, something that one has missed in the previous 3,376 viewings. Like, this morning, at the (nearly) very end, with all the performers leaving the stage, the last of the Band to depart are . . . (freeze that frame, then slo-mo) . . . Rick and Richard. Whew! Powerful.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 00:10:16 CEST 2001 from mkc-65-26-143-24.kc.rr.com (65.26.143.24)

Free Bikini Pictures

Web page

Cool site.


Posted on Wed Aug 22 00:04:15 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

"Beep beep", when said with a headcold (do birds get colds?) is "meep meep" or "mbeep mbeep", depending on the severity of said malady. So we're all right. Not that this has anything at all to do with the Mband.

The thought just struck me - maybe Buddy Waters in the Last Waltz had a headcold and was singing "I'm A Band" in honour of his guests? And, like, we didn't even know!


Posted on Tue Aug 21 23:11:26 CEST 2001 from 1cust247.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.247)

HI

Somebody asked about what, if anything,'s happening around here when they come for the Bearsville concert this weekend since the Joyous Lake's not open yet...the Tinker Street Cafe is now the F Stop Cafe and there is a place that has been closed for years called the Colony Art Center..I don't think either has a liquor license yet.They have had local people including Jules Shear and Billy Faier...I heard Ernie Williams and the Wildcats,an older blues guy with sideman like Mike Dunn is suppose to be at New World,a restaurant-bar the same night, but hopefully later, as the Garth thing. New World use to be called the Getaway and is on 212 towards Saugerties.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 22:26:47 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-150.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.150)

Peter Viney

If Java is not Serge, I offer my deepest and unreserved apologies to Serge (though all I was saying was come in and talk …). I was just noting common ground … and phrases. But there’s more than one stirrer.

John D – you confirm the thought I’d had from the reviews, which was to seek out and buy the new Ike Turner album . It wasn’t in local stores yesterday (I did look) but I’m in London on Saturday … London, UK, I hasten to add! If we started taking “being a good person” into account as R&R credentials, I’d have to stop listening to … whew! … a long list of things from Chuck Berry to Elvis to “Let it Bleed” to all those artists who think it’s clever to come on stage more than an hour late (e.g. Macey Gray)… well, you name the guilty parties. We’d all be stuck with Cliff Richard.

Ben: fair question. Jerry Garcia’s version of Dixie turns it into a lengthy choogle which would be pleasant enough live while conducting a wine-tasting session with (e.g.) Al Stewart, but is not outstanding. Joanie’s version is actively offensive. I’d take pleasant over offensive. But there is only one version of this song.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 22:10:46 CEST 2001 from 222.good.net (209.54.25.222)

MattK

You're right, Bones, it is kind of funny. The problem is Serge DOES post under assumed names with relative frequency, so you're use of the word legacy is most appropriate here. Same deal with Patricia, who was even more remarkable in that she/he would try to SUSTAIN the new identity until it became painfully obvious who it was.

Besides, I never said Java was Serge. I simply postulated they shared DNA.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 21:38:22 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

From: CT

Being a liner note junkie, I thought I would mention that Robbie Robertson is thanked in the liner notes of Whoa Nelly! by Nelly Furtado. He did not play or produce it, but is thanked as one of the Dreamworks head-honchos.

I think it's funny that if there is one ugly remark in here, people all jump in and call him "Serge". I think ol' Serge would be proud of this legacy.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 21:08:38 CEST 2001 from 1cust207.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.207)

HI

Anybody hear anything about the scheduled "foreclosure" today? Hopefully it was averted.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 20:36:07 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

It's MEEP....MEEP! But the trick is, ya must say meep meep while squeezing both nostrils shut! IMO!


Posted on Tue Aug 21 20:32:39 CEST 2001 from 222.good.net (209.54.25.222)

MattK

I've said it before. The John Denver version of Dixie takes all comers in the "worst version" of that song, IMO. Not as bad as his version of "Eleanor Rigby," from that same album (Whose Garden Was This), however.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 20:29:09 CEST 2001 from 222.good.net (209.54.25.222)

MattK

For the record, I don't think Java is Serge. Unless he's appropriated the identity of a biologist from New Brunswick, CA. I did a quick check of the archives, and Java has posted before, once under his real name. Initially very positive, but a few months back, posted the same sort of inanity we saw yesterday.

Like I said, if you honestly find something "pointless" or "pathetic," the fact that you would return to read more and post your "objections" is pretty bizarre. To each his own, I suppose.

Peter, Ike did more than play on "Rocket 88," he wrote it. While the record is released under Jackie Brenston's name, Jackie was something of a male precursor to Tina - a front man to a band completely under Ike's vision and control.

His abuse of Tina notwithstanding, as noted before, Ike's role in the development of early rock and roll is unsurpassed, except by a precious few. He's certainly in the same league as Big Joe Turner or Wynonie Harris when considering the evolution of rock-and-roll from early rhythm and blues.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 19:58:36 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.153)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

I hated Baez version of "Dixie" when it CAME OUT, thought it was a terrible hack job on a song I allready considered a classic, and, if I may brag, I was ten years old. Now, how bout some honest answers.... is it WORSE than Jerry Garcia's?


Posted on Tue Aug 21 19:47:19 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

My favorite Ike Turner moment is when he and Tina sing the (very unusual) harmonies during the "slow" part of "Proud Mary."

I happen to have a cold right now which has lowered my voice by several notes, so I am able to sing along quite nicely. Rollin'!


Posted on Tue Aug 21 19:22:32 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

lee

From: DE
Web page

Although the above web site does not reflect it, Levon & Barnburners have (according to newsprint ads) been added to the Lloyd's Barbecue and Blues date for Tweeter Center, Camden, N.J. on Sept. 15. AND I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN!!! (Drat the luck!) Bill already includes B.B. King, Buddy Guy, John Hiatt & Goners, Tommy Castro and another recently added act (don't remember who it was).

Fred, you got it. Mbeep-Mbeep indeed.

Been holding out on venturing an opinion on "Sea". Haven't really wrapped by brain around it yet. Hope to use as a soundtrack for an evening bike ride tonight.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 18:37:45 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

The new Ike Turner album is great! This is a man very important to the blues and Rock and Roll. Not only did he bring us "Rocket '88", arguably one of the first R&R songs; but he was a talent scout for Sun Records. Finding people like Howlin' Wolf among others to finally record. I decided long ago to leave his problems with Tina to the rag mags and concentrate on his musical history.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 18:18:53 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-174.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.174)

Peter Viney

There was a long article on Ike Turner in one of the Sunday colour suppleents recently. Wish I’d kept it . He spent a lot of time defending himself over Tina’s revelations, but the interviewer definitely found him pretty weird (and a bit pathetic). As in the Tina days, interviewers can’t resist lampooning his taste in interior décor. On the other hand, there are some very good reviews of his forthcoming album, and he did, in Rocket 88, play on (one of the) first rock and roll song (s) and was a mean guitarist as well as an allegedly mean person. I’d go and see him if he was around.

Hank: Al Stewart a professional wine taster? I reckon there are worse jobs.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 17:57:23 CEST 2001 from mat-10-19.enter.net (207.16.156.213)

Little Brøther

From: the Recycle Bin
Web page

-- Ann, here's one woman's opinion of Ike Turner. It's a bit dated, but I can't imagine much has changed. (For a fuller version of this column, I heartily recommend Cintra's book, "A Massive Swelling").


Posted on Tue Aug 21 17:54:24 CEST 2001 from pm662-16.dialip.mich.net (207.75.182.170)

Jamie

From: Ann Arbor

On Joan B's version. One time I was thinking about the "I'm a working man"/"mud below my feet"/"the robert E Lee"/and especially/"so much cavalry", plus the downright jaunty tone at places, and I thought to myself "how could it be worse?"

A few ideas flashed through my head, of which my favorite was "Like my father before me, I'm a working man, and like my brother before me, I'll be a Rebels fan..", taking it a step toward making it a U.S. college football song,lamenting a bad year.

Now whenever I hear the Baez version on the radio I mentally make the substitution, and you know - it makes it no worse than before to my ears. Even a little better.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 17:50:27 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

"Alcohol and marijuana, if used in moderation, plus loud, usually low-class music, makes stress and boredom infinitely more bearable."
--Kurt Vonnegut (from "Hocus Pocus")

There were, undoubtedly, many elements that figured into Dylan's decision to leave that insular world of folk music sophisticates behind. Another series of events would lead to his decision to hire The Hawks to back him on tour. The rest is history, and so it goes.

There was one particular event, however, that would significantly effect the future of popular music. On July 10, 1964, a movie called "A Hard Day's Night", starring The Beatles, premiered. During the opening scene, as the film's title song begins, George Harrison strummed a G7(add9)sus4 chord on his Rickenbacker 360/12-string Deluxe. That opening chord sent chills down the spines of many young music fans at the time. For one young folksinger, who saw the movie, his concept of music was forever changed. His name was Jim McGuinn. He would soon thereafter form a rock group with a couple of other folkies and a bluegrass mandolin player. They would call themselves "The Byrds", and their distinctive sound would be shaped around a Rickenbacker 12-string guitar that Mr. McGuinn had purchased after seeing "A Hard Days Night".

The Byrds struggled in the studio, as they tried to find the right songs to play on their newly acquired electric insruments. One day they found just the right song to make it click -- the perfect ingredients for the musical formula were blended and recorded onto tape. That song they discovered, "Mr. Tambourine Man", came from a rather rough sounding demo that Bob Dylan had recorded with Ramblin' Jack Elliott.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 17:21:29 CEST 2001 from raindel.jvlnet.com (216.145.200.249)

Ann

Hey all,

Anyone seen Ike Turner recently? Not that he's lost but ... he'll be in Madison, WI at Luther's Blues in September and wondered if the show would be worth checking out.

Any thoughts?


Posted on Tue Aug 21 14:47:40 CEST 2001 from dialup-264.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.8)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

Wow!........This Joanie 'Dixie' scare is heavy going.....the thing is, when I heard it, I starting laughing to myself...I was in my car, it came on the radio...my son was sorta perplexed......but apart from soliciting opinions here, which I KNEW would be fun, I was also laughing thinking of all the contradictions inherent in that particular performance.....MIKE CARRICOS analysis of Joanies performance of 'Dixie' was pretty cool, I thought, but also, there's little things about it that really got me thinking......there's a drum roll in Joanies 'Dixie' that's hilarious...between the 3rd verse and the last chorus that's an attempt to emulate Levon and The Band...I think.....and when I heard it, it cracked me up and made me think 'what did the cats who cut this for Joanie think?'.....Nashville Session dudes, no doubt .......I can't be sure, but I THINK it's Kenny Buttery playing drums on that......it's a Norman Puttnam production too....... I could go on here but it's making me giddy......Anyone ever heard John Denvers version?.....What's that like?...is it a copy of Joanies or what?...........

Al Stewart put out an album called 'Orange' in the '70ies and the opening cut is a cover of 'I Don't Believe You' done in a soft-rock version of the Dylan/Band style.........Al Stewart is a professional wine-taster now, apparently..........

In this months 'Mojo' there's a feature on Joy Division/New Order....The drummer in that band, Stephen Morris, is quoted......... 'The idea of a singing drummer wasn't a great one.....look at the previous examples....Phil Collins, Paper Lace, The Eagles..........'

Tsk tsk, Stephen Morris........

Is it possible that Stephen Morris never even HEARD of Levon Helm/The Hawks/The Band?

Listening to what Joy Division/New Order do......Yeah, I guess it is....

Ah well........all the same, imagine what Garth Hudson would do with the synth line of 'Love Will Tear Us Apart Again'..........

OK OK........I'll go away now..........


Posted on Tue Aug 21 14:40:45 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ta082.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.57)

Brien Sz

From: mmmmmmmm coffee

When i first read the Java saga, i initially thought jarp/patricia penned it and found someway to return to us all.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 13:00:45 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-062.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.62)

Peter Viney

Serge (Java). Hope you’re enjoying your vacation in New Brunswick. You have too many signatures that you’re unable to disguise. You can’t write ‘Brit’ without ‘pompous’ and you seem oddly obsessed with anything I say. Don’t know what the British ever did to you, old pal, but the scars are deep. ‘inspecting and dissecting lyrics’ is another hangup. As is RR sitting at Dreamworks. As is “Get a life ;” as is “occasional visitor who seldom posts.” Why not just use your own name?

Do you want to discuss whether lyrics should be analysed? It’s a fair point. Do you think the remasters a ripoff? I don’t, but it’s an opinion that’s worth discussing. Taking the bar analogy of the GB, you’re constantly lurking outside the door muttering curses at those within. Either come in, sit down and have a talk, disagreement is fine for most here, or p**s off and gaze through someone else’s window.

I’m with Fred on Roadrunner, ‘mbeep’ – the initial ‘mb’ sound appears in some African languages.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 08:29:33 CEST 2001 from p160.usnyc4.stsn.com (199.106.219.160)

MattK

I hate being on the road for work. These high-speed internet connections in the room rock my world, though.

I also get to watch more TV than I have in sometime...which brings me to (sorry Crab, gotta light a cig here for a second)...

Ah, much better. Where was I? Oh yeah...

Anyone seen the commercial for The Gap featuring Saturday Night Live's Will Ferrell as Neil Diamond (singing "Forever in Blue Jeans" a song he claims he "wrote on a Dixie cup."

I'm still laughing.

I can't sleep in hotels. I wonder if anyone is in the chat room...


Posted on Tue Aug 21 08:01:44 CEST 2001 from sqd40.nirai.ne.jp (202.239.129.43)

Fred

From: an island that typhoons avoid

No, no, no...IT'S mbeep mbeep where the "m" and "b" sounds are fused together with the "b" remaining silent. It's also a quasi-nasal sound....I majored in cartoon watching in university!! I have spoken. So be it.

I may be closing in on 40 but I am NO dinosaur...oh my aching bones!!!

I enjoyed Joan Baez when she appeared on the Muppet Show. As for her music...well not my cup of tea (however this is a matter of opinion...my opinion).

I got one of THOSE e-mails from Togo I believe..it made for good reading.I was thinking of setting up a dummy bank account (or I coud of used mine as there is never any money in it) and letting my new found friends from Togo use it, but I thought isn't that being dishonest!?!?!?!? Well I'm off to order the Garth CD...I KNOW, IT'S ABOUT TIME!!

P.S. I like reading the venerable Mr. Viney's posts (and everyone elses, for that matter) so as a member of The Commonwealth my advice is simple: IF you don't like to read a specific person's posts, you can always skip over them. No one forces anyone to read the posts here. The only thing we are forced to do in life is to LISTEN to our WIVES!!! Just kidding : ) Oh-oh, my wife is home. GOTTA GO!!


Posted on Tue Aug 21 07:37:21 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tc072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.182)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

WOW - talk about Java blues.

Oh, and - IMHO it's "mee-meep"


Posted on Tue Aug 21 06:50:06 CEST 2001 from p160.usnyc4.stsn.com (199.106.219.160)

MattK

I didn't know Serge had family in New Brunswick.

Who has less of a life? Those who post meaningless interpretations, or those who read them?

It's a conundrum. I think Yoda might have said it.

...or David Hasslehoff.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 06:30:03 CEST 2001 from 3cust226.tnt30.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.42.159.226)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

It's definitely "Beep! Beep!" on Bo Diddley's 50's hit single of "Roadrunner" so that settles that - Bo knows!!

On my most recent listen to "Dixie" however, I now detect a combination of "la, las" and "na, nas." My opinion is that Robbie simply couldn't think of any words for the song that the "people were singin'" and just sort of left it blank as something hummed in order to convey a feeling - which was actually the proper thing to do.

No one does a better version of Dylan's "Daddy (Mama) You've Been On My Mind" than Joanie and the same goes for "Farewell Angelina." I wonder what the Platters think of The Band version of "The Great Pretender."

Thanks to Patti Smith for a great free outdoor show up at Lincoln Center this past Saturday. David Johansen and the Harry Smiths opened and did an acoustic set of for the most part uncommonly arranged blues tunes. David, of course sang some great blues in a very different style last summer in Central Park with Levon on drums and the great Hubert Sumlin on guitar (not to forget Jimmy V.).


Posted on Tue Aug 21 05:52:09 CEST 2001 from as8-d176-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.176)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Java,

As a matter of fact, Peter Viney was knighted "King and Leading Authority Over All Things Rock and Pop" by her majesty the queen.

Thank you


Posted on Tue Aug 21 04:08:23 CEST 2001 from mat-7-44.enter.net (207.16.156.100)

Little Brøther

From: Upper Darby by way of Philadelphia, PA, USA

Oh, there's no debate. It's definitely "meep, meep".


Posted on Tue Aug 21 03:36:40 CEST 2001 from stjhts23c008.nbnet.nb.ca (207.179.171.13)

Java

From: Out There

I am an occasional visitor to the GB but I seldom post. I feel, however, that the time has come to put in my 2 cents worth. The last time I checked in there was a debate over whether the Roadrunner said "beep beep" or "meep meep". Who gives a shit?

You people are really pathetic. And whats up with this Peter Viney guy? Is he the authority on rock music? He's just a pompous Brit who can't be much of an authority if he only posts in this wasteland.

Why must you always inspect and disect everything? When Robbie put in this lyric did he mean this or mean that? Why do you read so deeply into things? Robbie is probably sitting in his Dreamworks office laughing at you fools who shell out big bucks for Band remastered ripoffs. Get a life you dinosaurs!


Posted on Tue Aug 21 03:16:26 CEST 2001 from p160.usnyc4.stsn.com (199.106.219.160)

MattK

Funny Vonnegut should come, I just finished re-reading "Cat's Cradle" for the first time since college. I'm a born-again Bokonist!

David Powell, your fantasy makes me wish Pete Townshend had been on stage with Baez at Woodstock.


Posted on Tue Aug 21 01:52:18 CEST 2001 from spider-wb011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.151)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Way to go David P... and btw I would hope there is a trailer like in the movie that tells what happened to everybody... and this one would read... RR later rejoined his buddies to jam big time... right gtago?... there you go... anyway, it's Monday so I'll wish the Hudsons a good week... especially their showing on the 24th... may it be fun and there be lots of love coming your way... and post people post!!!!


Posted on Mon Aug 20 23:12:51 CEST 2001 from 1cust3.tnt10.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.61.39.3)

HI

to Ben: Nah .


Posted on Mon Aug 20 22:43:34 CEST 2001 from (164.156.231.55)

Little Brøther

From: the Recycle Bin

-- Our former regional director, although young enough and educated enough to know better, clung to the habit of greeting women as "gorgeous" and men as "handsome". On occasion, when I'd hear him in his office greeting someone with the cry of, "Hello, handsome!", I would mutter, deadpan, "But I thought _I_ was 'handsome'!"

Now I feel like muttering, "But I thought _I_ was the Nigerian's/ Togan's/Sierra Leonian's Chosen Partner!" Outlook Express lets one "block sender", but that doesn't help since the African Connections come from a different source each time. I'm trying that "nospam" thing, which I think I've done correctly. Look at it this way: At least you'll never be lonely.

Even with a T-1 connection, accessing the GB Archives is tedious. Only vanity drove me to harvest the following comments about Joanie the Phonie's (remember Al Capp?) "Dixie":

-- Wed Jun 2 19:20:35 CEST 1999

P.S. To pick up on a topic from the bottom-end of this guestbook: I wouldn't care if Joan Baez' "Dixie" made millions for The Band or attracted a million new Band fans-- I swear by the mud below my feet, she shreds that tune like Nabisco shreds their wheat. I never got beyond a superficial acquaintance with her work, but I sorta liked her voice and style-- but that atrocity aggravated me so badly I hold a grudge to this day.

I don't know, maybe she wasn't familiar with the "real" version. Or maybe she WAS, and thought it took itself too seriously. At any rate, that loose arrangement and half-assed quoting of the lyrics-- Interpretation? Improvisation? Lack of cue cards? Ugh! (Shudder.) It was RAPE, I tells ya! It gives me the fan-tods.

When I get mad I stay mad.

Posted on Mon Jun 5 07:40:07 CEST 2000

-- I've already ranted about Joan's awful mutilation of this song, so I can't pretend to describe, much less judge it, objectively. I don't know how it got to be a hit, but it wasn't because her interpretation contained some alternative redeeming authenticity. You'll sooner convince me that the novelty release of "Jingle Bells" performed by that chorus of barking dogs brought a hitherto unheard magic to the tune. That release also was inexplicably popular.

Actually, I would like to hear Joan's effort again, just to see if I can avoid retching. What I remember of it is that it was an upbeat, loosely-phrased arrangement in which she pretty much flung down the lyrics and danced upon them. As if she were trying to work against the too-serious, measured, solemn, starchy Band version by rendering the Matthew Brady/woodcut original as a finger-painting-- a SNAPPING-finger painting with the period imagery transformed into swirls and warbling daubs. Pardon my synesthesia. Ugh. I also would love to know what RR or Levon think of her rendition, apart from the fact that it was a few more coins in the bank for Robbie.

Summer time is rerun time, after all...


Posted on Mon Aug 20 22:35:56 CEST 2001 from cm-24-161-30-123.nycap.rr.com (24.161.30.123)

gtago dami

From: berkshires

Can someone please tell me what the deal is with Robertson and Helm? Why the harsh feelings. You would think after all they have been through individually and as a band they would cling to each other like liferafts. G. Dami


Posted on Mon Aug 20 21:36:56 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-148.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.148)

Peter Viney

I’ll check out Al Stewart’s autumn show (this is after all his home town – he moved south from Glasgow as a toddler). BTW, by ‘Dylan-imitator’ I meant that he literally did all Bob Dylan covers in the folk clubs, and brilliantly. I picked up ‘Year of the Cat’ as my sampler – the store had three choices only - that, a best of and a 2000 album, and I prefer a whole album to a ‘best of’ usually. His voice is a bit light (as is the drummer), but the melodies and words are impressing me. ‘Sand in your shoes’ is great, and a good title for someone from Bournemouth (which Thomas Hardy fictionalized as Sandbourne for good reason).

Vonnegut connections: Garcia was fascinated by early Vonnegut – the Grateful Dead’s publishing label is “Ice Nine” which comes from the mysterious and world-destroying substance in “Cat’s Cradle”. The Band connection (well, very remotely) is that in “Cat’s Cradle” an island has been artificially divided between the tyrant in his castle (rich & successful) and the opposition – a holy guerilla leader / prophet/calypso singer out in the jungle. It turns out that the two are actually in cahoots, and have set up their feud in order to keep life interesting for their followers. A few years back, I suggested optimistically that this was a possible view of our own beloved feud (or fued) between the Robertsonians and Levonistas, and being me, repeated the view at intervals. I was totally wrong, as I think the events of late 99 showed once and for all. The feud is real.

Ben: liked your comment on Dylan (especially the ending … it’s rather convincing.) I think there’s a good point about how one man (or woman) and guitar has faded from the mainstream, since Dylan stopped doing it. I guess ‘Nebraska’ was the strongest attempt to fight back. People like Bert Jansch, Paul Simon (Stewart’s next door neighbour in London) etc soon succumbed to the lures of being in the band. There is still a power in seeing one person working alone that is different, and Rick Danko kept the flag flying. Van Morrison and Loudon Wainwright is a weird comparison. Don’t imagine old #III has written anything melodically that’s up there with Van’s best, though I remember his lyrics as witty and pointed. I have both ‘I’m Alright’ and ‘Fame & wealth’ but gazing at the track listing I don’t remember them well. I noted the line-up on ‘I’m Alright’ – Richard Thompson and the usual suspects. Will have to give them another spin.

Has anyone heard the Simon & Garfunkel remasters with bonus tracks yet? They’re released today, but in two weeks time come out as a 5 CD box at a lower price. ‘Bookends’ is an all-time favourite of mine, and my Japanese CD doesn’t it justice. The album was undoubtedly ‘over-produced’ which makes remastering difficult.

Baez- I like ‘There but for fortune’ actually.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 20:12:01 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

From: CT

Great Band Trivia :

There is a Jodie Foster movie from '88 called Five Corners co-starring Tim Robbins. George Harrison is one of the producers. The movie takes place in 1964, and you hear "In My Life" by the Beatles and "The Times They Are A Changin" by Dylan. Stunningly, two Robbie Robertson compositions are in the movie, courtesy of Henry Glover.

Which two you ask? "Uh Uh Uh" and "Leave Me Alone" , performed by the Canadian Squires.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 19:51:44 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

"I DREAMED I SAW ROBBIE ROBERTSON, ALIVE AS YOU OR ME
WALKING THRU THESE QUARTERS IN THE UTMOST MISERY"

From the "what if?" fantasy dept. [inspired by John Belushi's character in the toga party scene from the movie "Animal House"]:

Joan Baez is onstage performing "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" in concert. Robbie Robertson, wearing an Armani-designed toga, ambles out from stage right, to much applause. Just as Ms. Baez sings the line "so much cavalry came", Robertson leans over to the microphone, as if to sing, then abruptly grabs the guitar out of her hands and violently smashes it. He then bows and exits stage left.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 18:19:20 CEST 2001 from du54-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.54)

BTW

From: Ilkka (again)

...scrtckh... real men ...scrtch... listen only-srrgt-only-srrgt-only vinyl Lps... scrtgd... vinyl LPs... scrtgd... vinyl LPs... scrtgd...


Posted on Mon Aug 20 18:14:01 CEST 2001 from du54-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.54)

Ilkka

From: Nordic Countries
Web page

Thanks JOHN D for defending Joanie's 'Any Day Now' album (incl 'Tears Of Rage' - giving credits to Richard Manuel). I have the vinyl double album from the FABULOUS year 1969 right in front of my eyes by now: Vanguard VSD 79306 (XSV144232). Great musicians, great artwork, country style for sure.

RAGTIME: could you please post the address to the "Carpenters" guestbook, not to mention the "Buxtehude" gb. I am ready for some Ragtime bashing ;-)

Good luck "SUNDOG", good luck HANK - our creative gb friends! ... but where is NORBERT?

DAVID POWELL: the dark coloured "The Weight" video from Woodstock Festival you mentioned matches perfectly to Elliot Landy' Band photos, doesn't it? ... I have seen only a few seconds of it but it is printed deeply in my brains.

(Web page is only a humble visiting card.)


Posted on Mon Aug 20 17:43:22 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Just a thought!! Be nice to have a BIG effort from Band fans for the Cromatix show, 8/24, at Bearsville! Be nice to show some support for Garth! Just to show how much he, and his music is appreciated!


Posted on Mon Aug 20 16:56:31 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Got an e-mail today about "hiding money" sent to this e-mail address; which I use for the internet. I once saw a show on Tech TV that one should always keep a Yahoo or Hotmail account for places like this or others. This is where the junk mailers will hit you and you can keep your personal e-mail for friends.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 16:53:18 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

I've noticed over the years and I mean many years of talking about Joan Baez to others; that she is an acquired taste. I have never seen an artist where you either LOVE her or DEEPLY DON'T CARE for her. Hate is to lousy a word. I for one always enjoyed her Dylan tribute record on Vanguard called "Any Day Now." I also liked her cover of "There But For Fortune." I never cared for "....Dixie Down" ever.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 16:51:04 CEST 2001 from as10-d157-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.191.157)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Yes, I too have been getting the "hide my money" emails, but the first time I got one was about 2 months ago. And the last time I got one was about 2 weeks ago.

Also, I'm STILL getting the BAD email that Jan warned us about months ago. So if it is some "bad" person that's flown through here in the past read this: I ONLY OPEN EMAIL FROM PEOPLE I KNOW! I AM NOT STOOOOOPID! GIVE IT UP!



Posted on Mon Aug 20 16:00:05 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

John D........6/24, 6:15-Marly's, Bearsville!!! 8/17--Warrior road trip(only 9 miles????)!! Crowmatix (minus Garth--reason wasn't anyones business)ROCKED the Mohawk!!! A little bartender bribary and out to the camper!!! Crew did a tuff trip up, and return after the show!! Really mixed with the fans--before and after the show! Really HACKED at the fairly small crowd--but ALL band fans!! Opened with "Twi-Lite" which brought a tear to many an eye!! "Don't Wait", was another rite on the Lira!! Mike Dunn and Mike DeMicco---did some stellar guitar work!!! Miss Marie--even sounded a little J. Joplinesque!!! Professor Louie,.....said it's small crowd..so let's make it a party!! It was super talent across the board!! Last but NOT least, Mr. Gary Bukre-- Big Tanks-from the Road Warriors!!!!! A MUST SEE GROUP!!!


Posted on Mon Aug 20 15:51:04 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

From: Georgia

Hank - here are my top three reasons why JB's version of "Dixie" is so bad:

1) Tempo - the upbeat rhythm works against the song's subject matter...the defeated nation sounds positively giddy on the "la la" chorus.

2) Vocal - her voice is remarkable, but could not be less appropriate as the embodiment of a poor southern farmer.

3) Mangled lyrics - in addition to examples cited in previous posts, there is "I'm a working man" instead of "I will work the land", and whatever the hell she sings on the "May the 10th" line; something akin to "drove the train to Richmond that fell"...

If Leonard Pinth Garnell (Dan Ackroyd's old SNL character) were to host a show entitled "Really Bad Cover Versions of Great Songs", this would be the centerpiece.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 15:31:33 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tl072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.182)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Thanks to Levon and the Barn Burners for another incredible performance. The Classic Rock Rally at Big Boulder was opened in fine style with a great set from my favorite blues band. Levon was in fine form and his drumming was, as always, marvelous. The band sounds better every time I hear them and always seem to be having the time of their lives. Levon spent nearly an hour after the show meeting and greeting fans and signing every autograph request. I was fortunate to get some terrific photos which I'll sort through and get to Jan soon.

It was good to see you Butch. I'm now looking forward to the Camden show in September.

Just an aside here, if you get a chance any time in the near future to catch Canned Heat live -- do it. They still have it in a big way!!


Posted on Mon Aug 20 09:58:17 CEST 2001 from spider-tk061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.201)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

Never a Baez fan myself(not only do I imagine her poetry as lousy, but "Diamonds In Rust" is a titanicly awful pop song),I do think She has felt the boot of Dylan fan's to a rather unfair degree(her "Love is just a Four Letter Word" for that matter, is rather nice) in a sort of sheepish reaction to "Don't Look Back"("Season Of The Witch" need make no apology to "Please Crawl Out Your Window"). Beaz's depiction of Dylan in her autobiography as a corse, repelant, sexist bastard is not only quite wounded, it's rather convincing. The offical line on Dylan is that he left folk music which had become the domain of pious liberalism and bland, boiler plate art. Hard to dispute this; just as it's hard to dispute while Dylan was pissing contempt on his fan's with "Self Portrait", Baez was all guts in good works, putting her career where her mouth was on Vietnam. Dylan's vaulted defection certainly didn't save him from creating some of the most pious, self celebrating Art imaginable, while others found some of those boiler plates quite sinsere. This was brought home recently in Spike Lee's "Four Little Girls" where one of the prosacutor's mentioned he played a Beaz record everyday for inspiration as he pursued the seemingly impossable task of chasing down the Klan's church bombers. Dylan's defection from Folk set up it's own rather snobby dismissal of the simple validity of acousitic music(Van Morrison, for instance, as a songwriter can hardly sit at the same table as Loudon Wainwright) and it's own bogus pigonholing which savey music fans, like Neil Young, have tended to ignore. Such is the rippeling effect of a massively influential icon.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 09:25:20 CEST 2001 from du240-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.240)

Ilkka

From: North Country Blues

- Peter: You mentioned "Tears Of Rage" by Joan Baez. I listen this version from time to time. Although Joanie is my dreamgirl I must turn the volume down. BTW she is singing a cappella! She sings "North Country Blues" on the same album in a lower key. It is like an English toffee, very enjoyable.
- My friend:-) Ragtime: some people are interested in your real name. I can give it here and now. It is 'Willie' and I thought everybody knew that ;-)


Posted on Mon Aug 20 07:11:52 CEST 2001 from (64.64.94.194)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

I've been getting multiple garbage messages myself and I know the cyber-savvy use something like the above "no spam" addition to their e-mail address to fight such crap...


Posted on Mon Aug 20 06:39:32 CEST 2001 from (206.14.153.185)

Joe

Peter; I first heard Al Stewart when he made a very big splash with "Year of the Cat" in the mid'70's. It's a very smooth album with some great lyrics. I also still enjoy listening to his "Modern Times" album. By the way, Al Stewart has a song on Modern Times entitled Sirens of Titan. As you know, this is the title of a Kurt Vonnegut novel. A Band connection? I don't think so but Jerry Garcia held the rights to this book for many years & co-wrote a script with Tom Davis with the intention of making a movie out of it. Though it never happened, Tom has been qouted as saying that someday, when he has enough money, he'll bring this script to the screen. I know, I'd like to see it. Be well and thanks to y'all for a great site.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 06:23:32 CEST 2001 from dialup-096.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.96)

HANK

From: Cork
Web page

Great to read all the Baez related stories....I really HAD to laugh when I heard her 'Dixie' on the radio the other day.....it was funny listening to it because even tho' it really is sooo inferior to The Bands original, it STILL has all the hallmarks of a pop hit......which it was......very strange.......

OK folks........it has come to my attention that the intro of 'Stagefright' is almost identical to the intro of 'Lovin' You (Has Made My Life So Much Sweeter)'......any takers on this?


Posted on Mon Aug 20 06:02:29 CEST 2001 from spider-tj042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.192)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

Peter Viney - I get those same crazy e-mails that you mentioned a few posts back - so the connection must be this website. I just got two today. It's gotten to where I can spot them right away and I just delete them. I've wondered if they are the work of one of the past "irritants" that have passed through here. I've hesitated to mention it in here just in case it is someone who will only be feuled by seeing this. But since I read your post I figured, what the hell. Do all the rest of you folks get these crazy emails - which are "strictly confidential" from other countries telling you of fabulous wealth if you help some dude hide his money, or save his country, or some other such thing?


Posted on Mon Aug 20 05:36:14 CEST 2001 from spider-wb064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.179)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Would love to hear some concert reviews... spent the afternoon on the couch with my boys watching the video WATERWALKER by Bill Mason... with music by Bruce Cockburn and Hugh Marsh... good paced stuff for a Sunday afternoon... a little canoeing, painting and music... and a natural extension for me after reading Garth's latest interview... and re-listening to "Saga" off "Sea"... If you are looking for a Band connection in this... well, when I first came to MN and took my first canoe trip into the boundary waters... it was an eleven day-er... and we saw moose the first day... caught loads of fish... full moon... northern lights every night... and heard wolf sounds... I didn't know how rare all this was... and have since paid for it with rainstorms, etc,... likewise, I didn't know how special the sound of the Band til long afterwards... and reiterations of emerging into my life... and the price to be paid now is boy and girl bands on the radio all the time... oh well, I'm ramblin'... goodnight all...


Posted on Mon Aug 20 04:11:21 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.174)

butch

From: here

will the british woman from minnesota, looking for Pat O'Shea please contact me,,, i lost your # & e-mail address,, thanks,,,,,butch


Posted on Mon Aug 20 03:59:43 CEST 2001 from 210-55-236-20.static-dialup.xtra.co.nz (210.55.236.20)

Rod

From: NZ
Web page

Just read the review of Moondog Matinee. My copy of the original CD release has a full length version of Mystery Train - is the reviewer wrong or was there a truncated version?

For those of you that haven't, listen to the title track from Sea to the North. This must be one of the best pieces of music I've heard.


Posted on Mon Aug 20 00:46:10 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tj021.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.26)

franko

From: boston

Peter V., in addition to checking out an Al Stewart CD (may I suggest Past, Present, and Future) why not see him live. He's in the UK in Sept and Oct. Tour info at AlStewart.com


Posted on Sun Aug 19 23:59:18 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-018.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.18)

Peter Viney

Liked the new review of "Moondog Matinee" (see What's New) and the comments on Stage Fright are accurate. All in all, I think A+ is a little extravagant, but there you go. A+ needs to be reserved for the first three + Rock of Ages. The hand of Capitol must be there somewhere - an out take is listed as "Crying HERBERT Blues"


Posted on Sun Aug 19 22:39:41 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti071.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.181)

H. David Jackson

I've loved the music of The Band for along time. I just found out from my father-in-law that as a rural mail carrier in Marvell, Ark. that Levon Helm, as a child, would be waiting on him at the mail box when he delivered mail so he could tune his guitar and help him with some chords. What a small world!!!


Posted on Sun Aug 19 18:36:05 CEST 2001 from spider-wa034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.34)

Amanda

Web page

Listen to a song from Dylan's new album. The song is Bye and Bye. I got the link from rec.music.dylan. I think it sounds great!


Posted on Sun Aug 19 18:30:36 CEST 2001 from spider-tl021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.181)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

I'm smiling to myself at the Joan Baez thread because I keep thinking of this song by The Dead Milkmen some years back called 'Sha Na Na' where they extoll the 'hipness' of Sha Na Na at Woodstock etc. and include a line that goes 'I don't care about Joan Baez' and go on to claim that Sha Na Na invented the peace corps, 'stabbed that guy at Altamont', shot Kennedy, etc. etc. It's just a riot. AL STEWART THREAD: I almost brought him up recently as another artist who's music delves heavily (and very interestingly) into historical subjects and events similar to TNTDODD and similar Band songs. Stlylistically he is obviously different but I really get into some of his songs. I think they are impeccably recorded and really can get under my skin, even if they come across a bit '70s-ish sometimes.


Posted on Sun Aug 19 18:26:51 CEST 2001 from spider-to043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.63)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

Geez - I think we should give Ragtimes sister-in-law equal time in here.

I also think Karen Carpenter had a very nice voice - and it was pretty cool that she played drums on some of her recordings. The end of her life is a sad story.


Posted on Sun Aug 19 17:19:40 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Once upon a time I had a sister-in-law - well I still have her, but this is an old story - who was reknown by mrs. Ragtime and me for her poor musical tastes. When this saccharine couple from the States called the "Carpenters" came to the Low Countries, she and her husband-of-that-particular-moment went to their show and had the time of their lives. Afterwards she was humming their tunes all the time. You can imagine our ordeal...

Well, mrs. Ragtime cannot help having her as a sister... by the way she may be a bad girl but she's not a really evil person, apart from that Carpenters' thing :-)

Anyway, when she stayed with us, we tried to feed her some really good music, just to make her realize that her musical menu had been stinking so far. What better could we play than The Band's brown album...

Well, when ~Dixie~ came along, she cried exstaticly: "I know that song! It's great!"

Wow! Mrs Ragtime and I looked at each other, thinking: she's not that bad after all.

"Who's song is this?", she wondered. "These guys are covering it".

"No no!", we said in unisono. "It's an original, by The Band", pronouncing this sacred name in awe.

"What Band?" etcetera etcetera, well, we all know this kind of silly questions.

"No no, you're wrong, you classical buffs don't know a thing about pop music!". she cried, "It's by Joan Baez, great song, the original is far better than what this lot is trying to do..."

That ended her stay with us, of course... :-)

Peter, to answer your question:

No composer ever will make his music dependent of a convenient way to turn the pages of a score.


Posted on Sun Aug 19 17:12:05 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-099.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.99)

Peter Viney

Joan Baez also covered “Tears of rage” and “I Shall be released” to far less criticism here. “I Shall be Released” does work in her style as “The Return of We Shall Overcome”. I don’t recall hearing her attempt at “Tears of rage”, but she has a better chance at following a Richard Manuel vocal than a Levon Helm one. Other blunders in Joan’s “so much cavalry” version include “THE Robert E. Lee” (discussed at huge length here- see my revised article on site with past quotes rather than revisit the discussion). I think it’s the schoolmarmy, “Sit down and listen, children, this is deeply serious” approach that irritates. When we debated this last time, I’d just seen her on TV and she was – in contrast to her image – full of humour, and good to listen to. “I can’t stand the way she sings, but I love to hear her talk.” She’s not alone in screwing up the lyrics. Keb’ Mo’ does it on “Big Yellow Taxi” – “It’s a paved paradise. Put up a parking lot” is pretty ignorant too.


Posted on Sun Aug 19 16:54:55 CEST 2001 from spider-tk072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.207)

Donna

From: PA

I been hearing about this show on WXPN 88.5, all weekend. Lloyds Blues & Heritage Festival 2001- BB King, Buddy Guy, John Hiatt, Levon Helm & Barn Burners, Johnnie Johnson, and Tommy Castro. September 15th 3PM, at the Tweeter Center.


Posted on Sun Aug 19 13:24:29 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-066.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.66)

Peter Viney

Junk mail: with my dial-up link, I’m spending my first 5 or 6 minutes each day downloading offers of fabulous wealth from Togo, Sierra Leone and Nigeria – all sent by princes, cabinet ministers and high ranking civil servants; then dowloading three or four of the “worm” messages (I need your advice …) which then have to be deleted. It got that way with fax, with each morning revealing yards of my expensive fax paper covered with adverts for Fork-Lift trucks, “send this joke to a friend” and to add insult to injury, adverts for cheaper fax paper. Like so many others, I dropped my fax machine in the wastebin. So advice. I can set a junk mail filter in Entourage to mark mass-mailed items as pale grey – but the worm ones and Nigerian ones avoid this. They’re “single mailings”. Is there an e-mail programme where you can drop undesirable addresses into a box labelled “Reject in future”? I guess they’d still download- you really need that box at the server, but it’d be good if it could send the list to the server as soon as it connected. This may not be Band related, but I don’t suppose I’m the only one with this problem.

I had heard the Band version of “Dixie” first, and therefore my reaction to the Baez version was that it was totally 100% awful. But I hate her voice anyway and always did. Brings back bad memories of folk clubs, and deep psychological scars caused by rejection by girls with Baez voices in black turtle necks, “Deportees” still brings shudders… but enough of my problems! On folk clubs, I just read an Al Stewart interview and have realized that the really great Dylan-imitator at the same early-60s folk clubs in Bournemouth was none other than Al Stewart. Now I don’t have a single Al Stewart album, so will have to investigate.

I sat at another open-air classical concert last night. This had a full orchestra, plus the full Bournemouth Symphony Chorus (plus lasers, fireworks and cannon for the “1812”). The programme was expertly sequenced, with most unlikely runs that worked. e.g.– the “Humming Chorus” from Madame Butterfly led seamlessly into Vangelis’s “1492” (transposed for orchestra) and then into the “1812”. Fun, in spite of sitting on the (wet) grass being eaten alive by mosquitos. The flag waving was there (St George’s flag and union jack) for the Elgar, and I was pleased to see a lone Norwegian flag flying! Ah, the website has sent a representative, I thought.

A question for Ragtime (or other classical experts)- seriously: Watching the three basses, one had the job of reaching over to turn the page. Is that calculated when scores are written? I mean, do composers actually work around necessary page turns for particular instruments?


Posted on Sun Aug 19 12:48:05 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp74.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.74)

Diamond Lil

Hank: (Hi :-) I first heard Joan's version of 'Dixie' on am radio. I didn't like it. Not because I had something else to compare it to at the time..it just didn't do anything for me. I thought the chorus was very 'sing-song'..and it kind of annoyed me.
Later, when I heard The Band, the tune took on a different appeal. I liked it (as opposed to not liking Joan's version) because I _loved_ Levon's voice, but the tune itself was not one of my favorite Band tunes. And it still isn't. (Yeah, yeah..blasphemy..I know). I really think it's because the first version of it I heard (played out on am radio) soured me on it. I'd much rather listen to Levon do "All la Glory" personally.

Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Sun Aug 19 10:36:00 CEST 2001 from as-6-160-tyl.cox-internet.com (66.76.6.160)

Virgil Cain

From: East Texas

I, too, first heard TNTDODD by Baez as a kid on the radio. It wasn't that big of a deal 'till I heard THE REAL VERSION and then I saw Levon singin' it on TLW. Now I'm obsessed with The Band and especially that near perfect Brown Album! Anyway, this is my first post and I'm glad I found this great site! Long live THE BAND!


Posted on Sun Aug 19 10:18:55 CEST 2001 from as-6-160-tyl.cox-internet.com (66.76.6.160)

Virgil Cane

From: East Texas


Posted on Sun Aug 19 10:08:27 CEST 2001 from cl3030709-b.mdsn1.wi.home.com (24.183.0.216)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Web page

CC,,,and we love you :)


Posted on Sun Aug 19 06:55:53 CEST 2001 from 30-105.018.popsite.net (64.24.176.105)

CC

I love the sixties, I love the music, I love Woodstock, and I love the HIPPIES!!!!


Posted on Sun Aug 19 05:40:00 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tc033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.163)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

Hank = I too first came to know "Dixie" as recorded by Joan Baez, and liked it. It's probably for that reason that I can enjoy it if I catch it on the radio. It has a good groove to it melody wise. Now don't get me wrong - The Band version is head and shoulders above it if you compare the two. I think that it's also fasionable in here to poo-poo her version. It's the same thing as dissing Neil Diamond because Levon thought he should'nt have been at TLW.

It's a funny thing - It seems that a song that I might have hated when I was younger is OK now. I guess it's because it reminds me of a certain time period. That's one of the things I love about music.

The other day, while surfing the radio dial, I came upon "Play That Funky Music White Boy" - a song that I NEVER would have listened to during the Disco 70's - ya know what? I cranked it up, and I loved it. The song is a blast.


Posted on Sun Aug 19 04:39:58 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

G-MAN...........WHERE ARE YOU???????????????????????


Posted on Sun Aug 19 04:37:34 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

ANY REVIEWS FROM GARTH IN BUFFALO LAST NIGHT????????


Posted on Sun Aug 19 03:33:43 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.163)

frank

From: Bucks county,pa.

Hey Band fans, I just got back from the Poconos and I want to tell you that Levon and the boys rocked Big Boulder. Everybody had a great time. p.s. Butch, that little car you have has some guts. till next time, frankie


Posted on Sun Aug 19 01:26:41 CEST 2001 from spider-wb082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.187)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

Hank- I'm with Pat on this one about Joan Baez, but don't take it personally. When I was young, say 5 or 6 years old, I remember her version from the radio and even at that young age being put off by it. When I was a little older and heard the Band version it just blew me away as something different altogether, and loved it. Again, purely subjective on my part. I think she just sang it because she heard a good tune versus understanding the subtleties of it and that comes across and turns people off.


Posted on Sun Aug 19 01:23:41 CEST 2001 from 1cust84.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.112.84)

HI

Hank, naming the festival Woodstock had a serious down side on the village...the place was overrun with tourists thinking it was the site of the festival and really more publicity than it needed....plus head shops etc. moved in.........too bad they didn't name it something else...


Posted on Sat Aug 18 23:27:38 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.215.117.249.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.117.249)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Hank, when Joanie changed "Stoneman's Cavalry" to "so much cavalry," she told me so much about her little regard for the intelligence of her audience that I laughed out loud.


Posted on Sat Aug 18 23:15:05 CEST 2001 from dialup-084.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.84)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

Nice to hear from you BILL and BOB WIGO!......Well, did y'all ever hear Little Richards "Rock Island Line" from the LP 'A Vision Shared'?....with a band called 'Fishbone'.....I think......SHTOMPIN!....BOMPIN!'

It's really intense to read all the speculation about The Band at Woodstock because, Great gig or no, no other band or performers will ever be more strongly associated with Woodstock other than The Band/Hawks.......you could get really weird and say the ONLY band to be seen in Woodstock WAS The Band, y'know.....and that they probably did LOADSA great gigs at/in Woodstock........They actually shoulda named that gig or the Movie 'Yasgurs Farm'........Am I going tooo far here?........OK OK Mecury Rev live up there now or something, right?

Yesterday, I heard Joan Baez' version of 'Dixie' on the readio......and really enjoyed it 'cos I know it's a crazy thing to say in here!!!....seriously........I mean, it's the first version I ever heard and I thought it was great until I saw TLW....then I got my hip cards punched and was blown away by Levon.......still am, even tho I know it's all overdubbed Blah Blah blah.....blah......anyhow....I also enjoyed it 'cos I knew I was gonna ask here for someone, ANYONE or three, to tell me and the rest of us WHY EXACTLY Joanies version is NO Good........go on then......let's be havin' ya!!!!!

I wish I could go to SUNDOGS thing..........


Posted on Sat Aug 18 20:13:02 CEST 2001 from cl3030709-b.mdsn1.wi.home.com (24.183.0.216)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison
Web page

We hope to see some of you at the Shakedown and support Professor "Louie" & The Crowmatix w/Vince Welnick!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TIM’S SUNDOG SHOW at WYOU to "JAM" with National Recording Artist Vince Welnick (formerly of the Tubes, and The Grateful Dead) Legendary Vince Welnick of THE GRATEFUL DEAD and founding member of THE TUBES has just celebrated his 50th birthday and has confirmed that he will play a special live performance on The TIM'S SUNDOG show at WYOU TV studios (650 E. Main St. Madison) on August 30th, 2001 from 7:00 - 8:30 p.m. People holding a Three Day Pass/Campground Reservation ticket to the ~Sundog Summer Shakedown~ are invited to come see the live broadcast at the station and personally meet Vince Welnick. Sundog Summer Shakedown tickets will also be available at the door. Others interested should tune in to WYOU Cable 4 to enjoy this historic event. "Everyone at WYOU is excited about the show," said the director of the Tim's Sundog Show Bill Brehm, "A showcase like this gives WYOU a real opportunity to give back to our community." Even ALDERPERSON BRENDA KONKLE has agreed to be on hand to present the Mayoral Proclamation making August 30th, 2001 to officially proclaim“VINCE WELNICK DAY” in the state’s capital of Madison. Vince Welnick, a native of Arizona, who now lives in California, was the revered keyboardist for The Grateful Dead from 1990-1995, and is currently on tour in the midwest. He will perform at the ~Sundog Summer Shakedown~ at the Hoppe Homestead Campground in East Troy Wisconsin this coming Labor Day Weekend, August 31st thru September 2nd. Then, Sept. 3rd at Boulevard Cafe in Chicago. Vince has played with such greats as Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Bill Kreutzmann and Mickey Hart of The Grateful Dead, as well as having performed with Todd Rundgren, Merl Saunders, Bobby Vega, Steve Kimock, David Gans,Vassar Clements, and David Nelson (and the list could go on!) Vince’s music ranges widely. From funk and blues, to rock and jazz, his fans are quick to agree with Vince when he says, "It doesn’t matter what the musical genre...it’s the music that counts.” Local Deadheads will be hoping to hear some familiar tunes from Vince's time with The Dead ( “Shakedown Street” and “Feel Like A Stranger” to name a few), but that just scratches the surface of this musical legends expansive catalogue. “Madison should appreciate a chance to see Vince Welnick a venue this small (first since the disbandment of The Grateful Dead in 1995!)", says Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran. Vince Welnick, will surely dazzle local Deadheads and other music lovers who tune in to the Sundog special on August 30th. Special musical guests Terrapin Flyer from Chicago will be on hand and will honor Vince with an award of their own. Don't miss it! http://sundogsummershakedown.itgo.com


Posted on Sat Aug 18 19:24:54 CEST 2001 from spider-wk041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.166)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

David Crosby also sang very well on the recent tv special 'tribute to Brian Wilson ' at Radio City Music Hall.


Posted on Sat Aug 18 18:07:17 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

ANYONE SEE GARTH IN BUFFALO LAST NIGHT?


Posted on Sat Aug 18 17:52:48 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Yes Paul Godfrey. The man who wrote the song and where I got the lyrics from. Mr. Jesse Winchester. I was in a Jesse moon late last night. A very kind and gentle man.


Posted on Sat Aug 18 15:57:53 CEST 2001 from 1cust156.tnt6.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.112.156)

hi

I recently mailed Jan the 1985 Woodstock Times articles where each original Band member is interviewed by Ruth Spencer...the Garth Hudson one is the best in that the article is suppose to be about classical music and he actually talks about it plus his own composing etc. Jan already had the Richard Manuel one that's on this site....


Posted on Sat Aug 18 15:57:18 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.39)

Ben Pike

I once had a vinal boot (terrible sound, of course) in which Robbie was playing acustic on "The Weight", and they were all miked so they could do the 3 part harmony, usually lost when Richard went behind the organ. Strange but true.


Posted on Sat Aug 18 15:35:50 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ta051.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.41)

Brien Sz

From: nj

Well, last night my wife, a friend and I went to see CSN in Camden NJ (just across the bridge from Philadelphia). The tickets came free and very last minute. I must say, those guys can still put on a hell of a show. I had seen them several times in the 80's - the last time was when the Band opened for them during the Jericho tour. Their voices were stronger then but man can they jam it. Two things really impressed me and one thing kind of surprised me. Impressed - Crosby sang GREAT for a guy who's physically been through a lot. And Stills on guitar - man he ripped! I never recall him playing the guitar that well. On the flip side (surprise), Stills' voice is shot. He was lucky to be in tune for almost half of each song and at times it sounded as if he had marbles in his mouth or was drunk. But all in all a really good show!


Posted on Sat Aug 18 14:03:56 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-149.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.149)

Peter Viney

Many thanks to everyone who sent me the Garth interview and links. The files still crash when copied over, but John D's Word version worked perfectly (plus it's on the site). The Woodstock Times crashed Explorer, Netscape and Entourage! They clearly have some deeply faulty code somewhere. Someone should tell them. And what a great article.


Posted on Sat Aug 18 07:20:00 CEST 2001 from dialup-209.244.65.212.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (209.244.65.212)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Okay everybody. Garth played piano on The Weight, both on Big Pink and every recorded version since--including, if you all will recall, the Staples performance in the Last Waltz. Richard played that organ figure during the Big Pink sessions but only a shadow of it made it on vinyl. However, when they performed live, with Garth at the piano, Richard played the figure on organ. Check out ROA, BTF, and any number of boots, including Woodstock.


Posted on Sat Aug 18 05:42:56 CEST 2001 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

J.D. Wow, great to see the words to "Mississippi Your On My Mind". I may still have the album around somewhere by Johnny Tillotson. First heard him sing it at a road house near the Kinsmen Centre on the 401 heading into Kitchener. The roadhouse met with somekind of insurance fire?

Probably started by an Arkansas Credit Card! First time I met JT was in Peterborough when Johnny Gilbert (yes of CHUM Talkshow Fame) was at CHEX (now CRUZ). He introduced me to Johnny T. who was playing on a Dick Clark Cavalcade of Stars touring the area. We also got to visit with him in Beverly Hills. Like Johnny T. I was disappointed that the song did not become a big hit for him. Did anyone else record the song? Shine On!


Posted on Sat Aug 18 05:05:49 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

MISSISSIPPI YOU'RE ON MY MIND

I think I see a wagon rutted road
With the weeds growing tall between the tracks
And along one side runs a rusty barbed wire fence
And beyond that sits an old tar paper shack
Mississippi you're on my mind
Mississippi you're on my mind
Oh, Mississippi you're on my mind
I think I hear a noisy old John Deere
In a field specked with dirty cotton lint
And below the field runs a shady little creek
And there you'll find the cool green leaves of mint
Mississippi you're on my mind
Mississippi you're on my mind
Oh, Mississippi you're on my mind
I think I smell the honeysuckle vine
The heavy sweetness like to make me sick
And the dogs, my God, they're hungry all the time
And the snakes are sleeping where the weeds are thick
Mississippi you're on my mind
Mississippi you're on my mind
Oh, Mississippi you're on my mind
I think I feel an angry oven heat
The Southern Sun just blazes in the sky
In the dusty weeds a fat grasshopper jumps
I want to make it to that creek before I fry
Mississippi you're on my mind
Mississippi you're on my mind
Oh, Mississippi you're on my mind


Posted on Sat Aug 18 05:01:28 CEST 2001 from hse-toronto-ppp175317.sympatico.ca (64.229.70.208)

Blind Willie

Thanks John D! Excellent Garth information. Listen to 'The Sea To The North'


Posted on Sat Aug 18 02:38:14 CEST 2001 from spider-tj022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.182)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

I was going to post the Garth interview again - but decided not to. Thanks Dennis for the link.

Just some reactions to some recent posts =

Pat Brennen - is that Richard doing that organ fill at the end of the chorus' on The Weight(live)? I always assumed it was Garth. If it's Richard, that's kinda cool.

Mr. Zero - those ad-libs from the Woodstock performance of The Weight are Levon - not Robbie. You'll get the Levonistas nuts :-) I've always loved those ad-libs.

David Powell - I like what you postd about Janis. Her performance in the Monterey Pop film of Ball and Chain is AMAZING - IMHO.



Posted on Sat Aug 18 02:13:57 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

With all due respect to Mr. Hopkins.....this may be a little easier to read.

A Vital Entity

Garth Hudson Looks Forward

By Brian Hollander

The music flies upward, flows from the tenor saxophone like liquid sound, Garth Hudson’s fingers moving in smooth sequence, the noise of his fingers pressing each key provides a rhythmic heartbeat as the notes begin singly, then connect in the air.

But he could always play like that. Remember the smooth gruffness as the tenor solo took control of "W.S. Walcott’s Medicine Show" (recently heard on an episode of HBO’s "Arliss") on The Band’s album Stage Fright — recorded in the old Woodstock Playhouse?

"This is Vido Musso’s horn," says Garth, in his deep, gruff voice. "Someone might ask, who’s your favorite tenor player — well Vido Musso and Ben Webster. Vido Musso played with Stan Kenton. He hired Vido Musso for the ‘sweet and hot chair.’ Any good swing band had two tenors. One would be the sweet and hot player and the other, the jazz player. Kenton had two busloads of hot young jazz players, so he hired Vido Musso to add what could be called the Italian style of tenor sax. This is Vido’s horn."

It’s late on a Saturday night, dark as can be outside, and we’re in Hudson’s Glenford cottage, just below his main house. Two tenor saxophones lie on the furniture next to a soprano. An ornate white accordion sits on the floor, and a larger black one, is in his work area. A Mahler symphony plays on the radio and a gold record — The Band’s 1971 concert album Rock of Ages — hangs on the wall above his black upright Yamaha piano.

After demonstrating the distinctions between the two tenors ("this is the rock n’ roll horn, the Selmer Mark VI. The large tone and a little vibrato will get you there") he tells of being asked by a journalist in an interview, what would fulfill him in the world, what would he need to be satisfied as a player? "To play as well with my left hand as my right."

So here’s what Garth Hudson is up to these days. The most reclusive of what was always a notoriously private group of musicians is again in the limelight, with his first solo CD about to be released and plans to perform.

The part the legendary keyboard player for The Band is not enjoying much are the stories in the media depicting financial trouble. Garth doesn’t want to talk about most of it but does make it clear that Maud, his wife, is a vital part of his re-emergence into the public music world. Maud, he says, did all the cover art for his new album, The Sea to the North (Breeze Hill), all the singing on the recording, designed the t-shirts, the banners and the posters.

"That’s all there is to rock and roll," he says, with a twinkle. "We’re a…viable entity." He plays with the phrase and tries a couple of others. "In-house partners...partners in transactions…" "With the flurry of publicity surrounding Garth, with his solo debut album, it again makes him a target for media attention, good and bad," says Hudson spokesman Jim Della Croce, from Nashville. "He’s a rock and roll hall of famer, he’s a target. It goes with the turf." Hudson’s personal manager, Woodstocker Steve Rothenberg, who is also his long-time friend, hopes that the troubles are temporary and that a settlement will be found.

Shall we turn down the Mahler? — I ask as we move to the piano area in the cottage. "Nah. I deliberately practice with the television or radio and I hear something I work it right in. I play piano and keep the volume down, so it doesn’t throw you off and theoretically, a little osmosis takes place..." The Yahama is sleek, it’s a disklavier that will actually play the keys from a floppy disk, or allow you to record directly to it. Garth sits and begins to play some one-hand progressions that slowly builds, adds the right hand, and he’s going full tilt and it’s a blistering version of Ellington’s "Caravan." There’s some odd Monk-like spacing and pauses, some rollicking New Orleans-style, some glistening, long Tatum-esque runs rolled into the unique style, but it’s crazier, further out, his long fingers sometimes seeming to flap wildly. Left hand sounds pretty good to me. At times throughout the tune, he’ll dig in by anchoring the front of his right thumb on the piano in front of the keyboard, pointing downward. "I’m playing with four, in case I cut my thumb off with a chainsaw," he joked.

Hudson will perform at the Bearsville Theater next Friday on a show entitled, "The Bearsville Show" with Maud and the band Professor Louie and the Crowmatix. Aaron "Professor Louie" Hurwitz co-produced the new album with Hudson and with his band, forms the hub of Hudson’s current musical endeavors. "One couldn’t ask for a more musical family than the Crowmatix," says Garth. "We’ve done many things over the years. This may be a little different. Aaron’s done a remarkable number of albums with people over there in Hurley at NRS Studios."

High praise, coming from a guy whose own musical family has been whittled down over the years with the deaths of Richard Manuel, The Band’s original piano player, back in the early 1980s, and then the passing of bassist Rick Danko in 1999. Robbie Robertson isn’t around here. Garth and drummer Levon Helm remain as members of the Woodstock community. Garth played at the last incarnation of Joyous Lake on several Wednesdays with Levon, and his band, the Barn Burners. Also on the Bearsville show will be Graham Parker and Tom ‘Bones’ Malone. Special guests will include Babukishan Das, son of Purna Das, of the Bengali Bauls.

Garth contemplates the music on the new CD.

"It’s a variety show. Not all of it is rock, but everything rolls... I think I had movies in mind that could be written someday, beyond the music."

Garth plays tenor and soprano and bass saxophones; piano, pipe organ and synthesizers; accordion, melodica and tarogato throughout the six tracks on the work. He’s accompanied on most cuts by the Crowmatix; Levon plays drums on one track and engineers an explosion on another, and the sonic ensemble travels from rock, to Eastern European, to a piano solo, through what almost sounds like Ornette Coleman’s grooved harmelodic concept, to a folkier and a country-rock like sound. And always, Hudson pushes to the fore, expanding the fringes of the music as if it was elastic, could swallow new worlds, would not break. And it never does.

Later, he returns to talking about the theme. "It (the CD) could also be played behind the Junior Olympics, when you have gymnasts on their stations, and the final floor exercise. Something about the uneven parallel bars. Turn the sound down on the TV. Running up to it, them flipping the seven or nine requisite moves, and then jump off the end. What they are doing on the parallel bars is a lot like music. It could be a lot of fun in a film editing exercise."

"The piece ‘The Third Order,’ the featured instrument is Khamak, played by Purna Das. He’s the greatest and best-known performer of the music of the Bauls of Bengal. I recorded Purna in 1969 or 1970 in Woodstock in the basement of Big Pink. It came out as an LP on Buddah Records, The Bengali Bauls…at Big Pink. It was like a movie upstairs in the house. Then they went downstairs and set up in the same little corner of the basement that the Basement Tapes were recorded. Al Aronowitz, who wrote the liner notes, took it to Buddah Records to release it."

And about the piece "Cyrus and Mulgrew," he says, "I began to focus on Canadian history. I began to think about survival in the 18th century in upper and lower Canada. Upper Canada was Ontario, lower was Quebec. I remember a television series about Radison and Groselliers – two Canadian heroes that we learned about in high school. I think about that TV show in 1954 and I’ve been wondering recently how they kept their feet warm. ‘The Saga of Cyrus and Mulgrew,’ could be played behind footage of two tough guys in beaverskin hats in canoes going down the rapids, then hitting the calm stretches." "Oh yeah." He plays a few notes on the accordion, a large black Italian Excelsior model. "Oh yeah. That kind of fits." And he’s off into a string of old world ethnic pieces, strung together, squeezing out a band’s worth of music, visions of dancing gypsies.

"That’s coming along, first is Serbian, second and third are Romanian. I did get into the idiom probably through Romanian music." When he’s playing informally, Garth will sort of sing and talk his way through the pieces, joking, searching for a note… Garth is now ready to embark on another musical journey that will take him to the campus. "I’m getting ready to do colleges, to give a little concert and seminar, with the (latest) technology." He’s talking about finding the easiest, most fun computer programs for musical notation. "I used computers up to seven years ago, then I began spending more time on the instruments.

His left hand begins to stride on the piano. And he’s off on something that swings, maybe from the 1930s. Independently each finger speaks, building into sheets of language, of sudden clarity when they all speak in concert. "Oh, yeah….D…uhhh…Deeee," he sings as the tune takes a turn. "You want to sound a little different at least from the next guy down the block," he tells me. "Just flop and wobble around on the piano for a few hours and imagine that you’re a little different."


Posted on Sat Aug 18 00:55:16 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

From: Rochester, NY (soon to be Berkeley, CA)

Peter & others having problems with woodstocktimes.com: I had the same problem; neither Netscape nor IE would bring up the page. Luckily, the third time was the charm and Mozilla worked fine. Enjoy.

A vital entity: Garth Hudson looks forward

By Brian Hollander

The music flies upward, flows from the tenor saxophone like liquid sound, Garth Hudson?s fingers moving in smooth sequence, the noise of his fingers pressing each key provides a rhythmic heartbeat as the notes begin singly, then connect in the air. But he could always play like that. Remember the smooth gruffness as the tenor solo took control of "W.S. Walcott?s Medicine Show" (recently heard on an episode of HBO?s "Arliss") on The Band?s album Stage Fright ? recorded in the old Woodstock Playhouse? "This is Vido Musso?s horn," says Garth, in his deep, gruff voice. "Someone might ask, who?s your favorite tenor player ? well Vido Musso and Ben Webster. Vido Musso played with Stan Kenton. He hired Vido Musso for the ?sweet and hot chair.? Any good swing band had two tenors. One would be the sweet and hot player and the other, the jazz player. Kenton had two busloads of hot young jazz players, so he hired Vido Musso to add what could be called the Italian style of tenor sax. This is Vido?s horn." It?s late on a Saturday night, dark as can be outside, and we?re in Hudson?s Glenford cottage, just below his main house. Two tenor saxophones lie on the furniture next to a soprano. An ornate white accordion sits on the floor, and a larger black one, is in his work area. A Mahler symphony plays on the radio and a gold record ? The Band?s 1971 concert album Rock of Ages ? hangs on the wall above his black upright Yamaha piano. After demonstrating the distinctions between the two tenors ("this is the rock n? roll horn, the Selmer Mark VI. The large tone and a little vibrato will get you there") he tells of being asked by a journalist in an interview, what would fulfill him in the world, what would he need to be satisfied as a player? "To play as well with my left hand as my right." So here?s what Garth Hudson is up to these days. The most reclusive of what was always a notoriously private group of musicians is again in the limelight, with his first solo CD about to be released and plans to perform. The part the legendary keyboard player for The Band is not enjoying much are the stories in the media depicting financial trouble. Garth doesn?t want to talk about most of it but does make it clear that Maud, his wife, is a vital part of his re-emergence into the public music world. Maud, he says, did all the cover art for his new album, The Sea to the North (Breeze Hill), all the singing on the recording, designed the t-shirts, the banners and the posters. "That?s all there is to rock and roll," he says, with a twinkle. "We?re a?viable entity." He plays with the phrase and tries a couple of others. "In-house partners...partners in transactions?" "With the flurry of publicity surrounding Garth, with his solo debut album, it again makes him a target for media attention, good and bad," says Hudson spokesman Jim Della Croce, from Nashville. "He?s a rock and roll hall of famer, he?s a target. It goes with the turf." Hudson?s personal manager, Woodstocker Steve Rothenberg, who is also his long-time friend, hopes that the troubles are temporary and that a settlement will be found. Shall we turn down the Mahler? ? I ask as we move to the piano area in the cottage. "Nah. I deliberately practice with the television or radio and I hear something I work it right in. I play piano and keep the volume down, so it doesn?t throw you off and theoretically, a little osmosis takes place..." The Yahama is sleek, it?s a disklavier that will actually play the keys from a floppy disk, or allow you to record directly to it. Garth sits and begins to play some one-hand progressions that slowly builds, adds the right hand, and he?s going full tilt and it?s a blistering version of Ellington?s "Caravan." There?s some odd Monk-like spacing and pauses, some rollicking New Orleans-style, some glistening, long Tatum-esque runs rolled into the unique style, but it?s crazier, further out, his long fingers sometimes seeming to flap wildly. Left hand sounds pretty good to me. At times throughout the tune, he?ll dig in by anchoring the front of his right thumb on the piano in front of the keyboard, pointing downward. "I?m playing with four, in case I cut my thumb off with a chainsaw," he joked. Hudson will perform at the Bearsville Theater next Friday on a show entitled, "The Bearsville Show" with Maud and the band Professor Louie and the Crowmatix. Aaron "Professor Louie" Hurwitz co-produced the new album with Hudson and with his band, forms the hub of Hudson?s current musical endeavors. "One couldn?t ask for a more musical family than the Crowmatix," says Garth. "We?ve done many things over the years. This may be a little different. Aaron?s done a remarkable number of albums with people over there in Hurley at NRS Studios." High praise, coming from a guy whose own musical family has been whittled down over the years with the deaths of Richard Manuel, The Band?s original piano player, back in the early 1980s, and then the passing of bassist Rick Danko in 1999. Robbie Robertson isn?t around here. Garth and drummer Levon Helm remain as members of the Woodstock community. Garth played at the last incarnation of Joyous Lake on several Wednesdays with Levon, and his band, the Barn Burners. Also on the Bearsville show will be Graham Parker and Tom ?Bones? Malone. Special guests will include Babukishan Das, son of Purna Das, of the Bengali Bauls. Garth contemplates the music on the new CD. "It?s a variety show. Not all of it is rock, but everything rolls... I think I had movies in mind that could be written someday, beyond the music." Garth plays tenor and soprano and bass saxophones; piano, pipe organ and synthesizers; accordion, melodica and tarogato throughout the six tracks on the work. He?s accompanied on most cuts by the Crowmatix; Levon plays drums on one track and engineers an explosion on another, and the sonic ensemble travels from rock, to Eastern European, to a piano solo, through what almost sounds like Ornette Coleman?s grooved harmelodic concept, to a folkier and a country-rock like sound. And always, Hudson pushes to the fore, expanding the fringes of the music as if it was elastic, could swallow new worlds, would not break. And it never does. Later, he returns to talking about the theme. "It (the CD) could also be played behind the Junior Olympics, when you have gymnasts on their stations, and the final floor exercise. Something about the uneven parallel bars. Turn the sound down on the TV. Running up to it, them flipping the seven or nine requisite moves, and then jump off the end. What they are doing on the parallel bars is a lot like music. It could be a lot of fun in a film editing exercise." "The piece ?The Third Order,? the featured instrument is Khamak, played by Purna Das. He?s the greatest and best-known performer of the music of the Bauls of Bengal. I recorded Purna in 1969 or 1970 in Woodstock in the basement of Big Pink. It came out as an LP on Buddah Records, The Bengali Bauls?at Big Pink. It was like a movie upstairs in the house. Then they went downstairs and set up in the same little corner of the basement that the Basement Tapes were recorded. Al Aronowitz, who wrote the liner notes, took it to Buddah Records to release it." And about the piece "Cyrus and Mulgrew," he says, "I began to focus on Canadian history. I began to think about survival in the 18th century in upper and lower Canada. Upper Canada was Ontario, lower was Quebec. I remember a television series about Radison and Groselliers ? two Canadian heroes that we learned about in high school. I think about that TV show in 1954 and I?ve been wondering recently how they kept their feet warm. ?The Saga of Cyrus and Mulgrew,? could be played behind footage of two tough guys in beaverskin hats in canoes going down the rapids, then hitting the calm stretches." "Oh yeah." He plays a few notes on the accordion, a large black Italian Excelsior model. "Oh yeah. That kind of fits." And he?s off into a string of old world ethnic pieces, strung together, squeezing out a band?s worth of music, visions of dancing gypsies. "That?s coming along, first is Serbian, second and third are Romanian. I did get into the idiom probably through Romanian music." When he?s playing informally, Garth will sort of sing and talk his way through the pieces, joking, searching for a note? Garth is now ready to embark on another musical journey that will take him to the campus. "I?m getting ready to do colleges, to give a little concert and seminar, with the (latest) technology." He?s talking about finding the easiest, most fun computer programs for musical notation. "I used computers up to seven years ago, then I began spending more time on the instruments. His left hand begins to stride on the piano. And he?s off on something that swings, maybe from the 1930s. Independently each finger speaks, building into sheets of language, of sudden clarity when they all speak in concert. "Oh, yeah?.D?uhhh?Deeee," he sings as the tune takes a turn. "You want to sound a little different at least from the next guy down the block," he tells me. "Just flop and wobble around on the piano for a few hours and imagine that you?re a little different." ++


Posted on Sat Aug 18 00:36:23 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-169.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.169)

Peter Viney

I've tried Dennis's link to the Woodstock Times FIVE times now looking for the Garth interview and it crashed or froze my Mac every single time- obviously a crap site, but others are getting through. Would anyone care to copy it off as straight HTML and post it? (or e-mail it to me?)


Posted on Sat Aug 18 00:11:58 CEST 2001 from spider-wk031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.161)

Dave Z

From: Kawishiwa River

Unsolicited advice for those having trouble with their left hand... first off, switch your mouse over to the left side and start some serious GB posting... preferrably Band secrets... there is no shame in one finger typing either... as long as you use the left hand... be advised that you will probably still get flamed in here at some point... 2nd, any basketball player (right handed that is) worth his salt knows that the key to the "off hand" is the positioning of the feet... my guess is that some basic video analysis would reveal somebodys guilty of strapping an accordian on that old left shoulder maybe a little too tight (bad for the trapezius muscle, huh?)... or of leading with the right elbow (do the pedals with the opposite foot instead)... and keep in mind an unused hand is an unperverted hand i.e. no embedded bad habits and thus an easier path to pure form... so lefthanded practice may actually improve right handed playing as a side benefit... and btw video is a good tool used by gymnists too... I was guilty at one point in my life of watching copious amounts of video of Larry Bird doing mundane things like... rebounding and... inbounding the ball after scored baskets... anyway, the best players watch themselves I'm told... so I suggest Maud brush up on Flash... and put together some video... preferrably of outtakes(?) from Sea... but played predominantly left handed... that way, one doesn't get frustrated trying to copy right handed perfection... and lay off the lefthanded karate chops for a while during live gigs... remember, it's not how hard you slam, it's whether you hit the right key or button, right?... I also suggest posting that video on Jan's site too... maybe some lefty who knows about sax or piano... can comment on body position (i.e. again we return to footwork)... humm humm, posture or slouching... and finally, when dowsing for ley lines... use the left hand... and relax that grip will ya... if none of this works, Plan B requires unzipping and use of the left hand during potty breaks too... It's harsh but I suggest drinking 8 glasses of water a day (again side benefits)... and that usually does the trick... and finally regarding positive self image and presentation - if asked in an interview what hand you use predominatly, the correct answer is "God gave me two hands and I use them both, thank you"... now give me 10 Hail Marys, I mean Hail Robbies, and be on your way In The Spirit Of Neil Young & Crazy Horse... We now take you back to regularly scheduled programming with Hubbie Brown for more halftime analysis of the transition game...


Posted on Fri Aug 17 23:57:16 CEST 2001 from (24.159.102.250)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell, Ga

If anyone wants a copy of the preformance of Janis Joplin from Woodstock 69, please arrange to meet me at my favorite watering hole and buy me a beer, will gladly share the moments.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 23:53:50 CEST 2001 from stl-cust-4-ip10.gabrielcom.net (64.19.4.10)

matthew conlon

From: missouri

I like The Band in their later years because it seems they have become even more musically talented as the years go by. And they have not lost their sense of humor ("Move to Japan"). I bought Jubilation 2 weeks ago and am just getting settled with it. Yesterday I bought the remastered version of Rock of Ages, with 2 CDs. I have not listened to it yet, but read the voluminous liner notes. Is it my bad perception, or was Robbie Robertson the only one involved in that project? Even though this was written in 2000, all the current quotes are by him; he did this, he did that, what about the 2 other survivors? I read the notes first, then looked at the song list; almost every song has his credit line. Some kind of ego trip?


Posted on Fri Aug 17 23:02:59 CEST 2001 from 1cust60.tnt9.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.10.13.60)

Hi

Surprisingly tickets are still available to the Bearsville show... at Burt's in Kingston........


Posted on Fri Aug 17 21:23:08 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

From: CT

I have seen a bootleg copy of Richard singing "Tears Of Rage" from Woodstock, and he sounds incredible. The Band sound great also, for the audio was very clear (clearer than the picture I'm afraid). The three Band tracks on the box set are very good also.

In some ways I am glad that Albert Grossman said no with regard to the film and soundtrack. The event always seemed bigger than the artists, and some of the artists became associated with the event rather than vice-versa, and would not want that to have happened to the Band.

Thanks to Dennis for the great Garth article.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 20:14:14 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

It's especially sad that Janis Joplin, who was also managed by Albert Grossman, did not appear in the Woodstock film. Two years before at the Monterey Festival, her sizzling performance, which was depicted in the subsequent film of that event, helped to establish her in the public eye. Ironically it also caught the eye of Mr. Grossman, who soon therafter became her manager and got her signed to a major label deal with Columbia.

By the time Ms. Joplin played at Woodstock, she had replaced Big Brother & The Holding Co. with her new group, the Kozmic Blues Band. Just a little over a year later, tragically, she would be dead at the age of 27.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 20:01:42 CEST 2001 from mnmed.org (208.47.74.133)

Mr. Zero

Call me crazy but I don't think the Band ever sounded better than at Woodstock '69. The performances on Before the Flood and Rock of Ages pale in comparison in my view (although both have longer, more diverse set lists). Richard Manuel sounded fantastic at Woodstock and on those two, his voice is worse for wear.

I also kind of like Robbie's ad-libs during “The Weight.”

Now if I could only get my hands on the footage of Woodstock…...

There's various places some of the footage has appeared, edited differently and varying quality -- Woodstock's Lost Performances, Classic Album, Authorized Biography, Robbie's Behind The Music, Robbie's other bio movie.

THIS IS SPECULATION: I have no evidence whatsoever for this but doesn't "Ain't No Cain" from "Across The Great Divide" sound different from the rest of the Woodstock stuff? Again, I have no proof but I wouldn't be surprised if Robbie slipped that in from another live show. His reputation for fudging recording dates is, as you know, well-known.

DID anyone in North America see Bravo's special on Popular Songs in the 20th Century? Episdoe 5 dealt with the Band and gave them a lot of camera time. Basically, credited them with starting country-rock and '70s singer-songwriter thing. (Lots of time for the Flying Burrito Brothers too). It had a new interiew with Robbie, footage from Woodstock '69 and footage from Robbie's rehearsal shed after Brown Album was recorded.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 19:42:09 CEST 2001 from user-33qt97j.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.243)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Oh yes. "Flop and wobble" should now enter the lexicon.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 19:04:32 CEST 2001 from user-33qt97j.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.243)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

To continue David Powell's thread, I had just read Levon's book when I had a chance to meet Phil Ramone. Being the cheeky sort, I asked if The Band indeed was the best sounding group at Woodstock since Levon made a point of saying it in his book. Ramone proceeded to rip the boys, saying that they couldn't communicate with an audience, that people like Janis were much better performers. I felt kinda bad for a moment, but not too long.

I've always enjoyed the Woodstock performance and never heard the bad vocals Levon has noted. Prominent in the performance of The Weight is Richard's organ figure at the end of each chorus. I believe that watery version of Tears Of Rage from the Classic Album series is also from Woodstock. I think it may be the only time they opened their set with Chest Fever.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 18:32:13 CEST 2001 from spider-ta063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.73)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Thanks Dennis!!!... Great interview... I'm gonna have to go quick listen to Cyrus & McGrew again... Steve K, pick up JAM! by the Crowmatix when you order Sea... You will love them both... I am really envying those who will be at Bearsville... Please report back with everything you got... my wife is a former gymnist... o la la... and it's our 10th anniversary celebration tonight... walleye and white wine on Lake Minnetonka!!!... now I maybe got an angle to get her to listen to Sea again... she loved the bars... I bet it's a good CD for giving backrubs too...

Thanks Maud... for sharing Garth with the world...


Posted on Fri Aug 17 18:25:33 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-02-03.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.114)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Mono Lake

Dennis, thanks for the link to the interview of Garth Hudson. You've got to love Mr. Hudson. All the world-class musicians have a little "Hudson" about them. Not eccentric, just that special something that I can't explain but have noticed in all truly great musicians.

Robben Ford played Mammoth Lakes California last weekend and fried everybody there. Man oh man, Robben Ford! (only Band link I can think of/ he was in Phil Lesh's band last summer during the Dylan tour.Music from The Band was played on the sound system between sets.)Have a musical weekend everyone.

Long Live The Band


Posted on Fri Aug 17 17:43:22 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-162.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.162)

Peter Viney

Addendum: Greil Marcus points out that on 'Ol Roisson the Beau" Garth is playing clavinette and also that it's a traditional song, the melody of which has been used in other songs, including a Van Dyke Parks one.

Also good to see Dan Peek here. I saw America as the opening act on their first British tour - I think for King Crimson - and they were stunningly good. 'A Horse with No name' was racing up the chart which meant that the support group was a very pleasant surprise.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 17:34:45 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

As I mentioned earlier this week, 32 years ago tonight, The Band performed at the first Woodstock festival. Like many others, I was disappointed that the group did not appear in the film or the original soundtrack of the event. Here are a couple of first-hand accounts of the events surrounding the group's performance.

In his book, "This Wheel's On Fire", Levon Helm explains the circumstances by saying: "By the way, The Band doesn't appear in 'Woodstock', the documentary movie, or on the album either. This is because we were offered half our fee for the movie rights to our performance, and Albert [Grossman] naturally said no. They did film us, in low light because we told them not to mess with us onstage. Our set was recorded, and someone at Atlantic Records told us later that our tapes came out better than anyone's. They really wanted to put them out. We felt we didn't play a bad set, but it wasn't totally up to our standard since Robbie's microphone had been inadvertently left on, and he wasn't much as a singer."

In Robbie Robertson's 1994 video, "Going Home", there's a segment in which he discusses the Woodstock festival with Martin Scorsese. Mr. Robertson explains that he wasn't aware that Mr. Scorsese had been there as an assistant director for the film until years afterward. Mr. Scorsese recounts that he had been onstage throughout the entire three day event, essentially giving directions to the cameramen, through his headset, on how to set up shots. Mr. Scorsese, rather half-jokingly, in his distinctive fast-cut style of speaking, describes The Band's appearance onstage this way: "[It was] one of the worst experiences of my life...[You guys] were most uncooperative...It was impossible...and we loved you. And then we got the word that we can't get onstage. How our we going to shoot them?...But we got the word that we could stay only on the lip of the stage...[on] a little platform."

Mr. Scorsese then describes that there was a small platform built on the front of the stage that allowed the film crew to stand about shoulder-level with the stage. Therefore, the camera shots of The Band's performance were taken at an awkward angle, looking up. While Mr. Scorsese desribes the scene, a clip of the group performing "The Weight" is shown. Although the audio sounds great, the video is evidence that the low-level, available light, combined with the tight camera shots at that angle, resulted in a less than ideal visual depiction.

As far as Mr. Helm's dig at Mr. Robertson's singing ability, the video shows that there was indeed a microphone set up in front of Mr. Robertson, and he can be seen, as well as heard, singing during the chorus of "The Weight". You can also see that there was another mike set up for his guitar, for when he switched from electric to acoustic on that same song. This, incidentally, caused a small problem with the audio recording, due to the fact that the level was too low and you can hardly hear the song's intro played by Mr. Robertson on his small-bodied acoustic. As I mentioned the other day, earlier in the set Mr. Robertson sang a verse on "Ain't No Cane". One would assume that, at that point, it was intended that his vocal mike would have been turned up.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 17:33:35 CEST 2001 from spider-ta013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.48)

Donna

From: PA

What a nice surprise to see Dan Peek, visiting this site! After watching Bravo the other night, and seeing the piece they did on "America", it brought back many memories. The very first concert I ever attended, was "America", when they played at the Mann Music Center. It is so good to know that he is still playing and doing well!


Posted on Fri Aug 17 17:18:01 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

From: pa

FYI,America was one of the featured groups in the BRAVO special this week.

Happy Weekend and Best Regards to the GB'ers!


Posted on Fri Aug 17 16:54:37 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-172-134.hvc.rr.com (24.164.172.134)

Dennis

From: West Saugerties, NY
Web page

Same medium, different story: There's a great interview with Garth Hudson in the August 16, 2001, weekly edition of the Woodstock Times. The interviewer/writer is Brian Hollander. There are pictures included in the newspaper edition that are not viewed in the online version.

Hopefully I've provided the correct link above. Hard copies of the paper can perhaps be arranged.

BTW, the Mahler symphony mentioned was a performance by the Boston Symphony Orchestra broadcast live from Tanglewood last Saturday evening, August 11th (thus dating the interview).

Enjoy!


Posted on Fri Aug 17 16:46:02 CEST 2001 from spider-wc013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.23)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Hank,

I'm afraid I have to second Bill Munson on "Rip It Up". It has been in my top five all-time for a long, long time. Pure Rock and Roll sung with incredible energy.

Is there anything he didn't sing with incredible energy?


Posted on Fri Aug 17 16:20:58 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

The following notice just arrived in my email inbox:

"Fathead is pleased (estatic, actually) to announce that Levon Helm (The Band) has agreed to play drums on their next recording. The band heads into the studio to start production on their fourth CD in late September. Levon will also be doing some live gigs with the band at this time. Watch this space in weeks to come for further details or check Fathead's website at: www.wezel.com/fathead.

"The new disc, which will be completed in sessions scattered throughout the fall and winter, is expected to be released in early 2002 on Electro-Fi Records.

"You can catch Fathead this weekend in Toronto at Chicago's (325 Queen W) with special guest, drummer Mike Sloski."

Note to Hank: Because of you I dragged out my Little Richard comp and find that I agree with myself. "Reddy Teddy" doesn't rule - "Rip It Up" does.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 15:37:59 CEST 2001 from (66.152.204.145)

Bob R

From: Cape Cod

Heading out to see Levon & Barnburners tonight in Newport Rhode Island--the Blues Cafe---anyone else heading over ?? Should be a great night out !


Posted on Fri Aug 17 15:27:07 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

Owners of "Sea to the North": How much does this album sound like "The Genetic Method"? I ask because I'm not a big fan of that track and don't want to acquire an hour's worth of it.

Thanks,
Steve


Posted on Fri Aug 17 15:09:57 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Great to see Dan Peek visiting the site. I interviewed Dan about a 100 years ago when "America" made their first Toronto visit and I was at CHUM-FM. A very nice man and I remember there was a nice reception put on by Warner's at the time in a big old ballroom that normally weddings are held in, by The Don Valley Parkway.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 15:07:08 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

I have a pre-release of the the new Dylan Album which has some interesting surprises. Remember on the new Sopranos Soundtrack Bob does a version of the old Dean Martin song, "Return To Me?" Well on his new CD there are three tracks that have that same sound. Almost a rat-pack'in martini grabbin' feel to it. Old Blue Eyes would be proud.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 14:31:15 CEST 2001 from leo.wwwcache.ox.ac.uk (163.1.103.121)

Dan Peek

From: Grand Cayman
Web page

The Band was a great influence on my music, which ultimately influenced the sound of the Supergroup America. Regards from, Dan Peek www.danpeek.com (Founding member of America)


Posted on Fri Aug 17 13:29:13 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-127.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.127)

Peter Viney

The Bravo show: if the next one features Bill Withers heavily, it sounds as if it’s the fine series “Walk on By” – a history of popular song and songwriters, which was broadcast in the UK late last year / early this year. The earlier episodes are intriguing too. If so, The Band episode was entitled “After The Goldrush”. Also, there’s an accompanying book, but the series was long, and there was almost nothing on The Band in the book- I looked in a store and didn’t buy it.

Erin: ‘Rozin the Beau’ is usually scalled ‘Ol’ Roissin the Beau’ on other boots (Genuine Basement tapes Vol 5 – see John Howells’ article under Library on this site). It’s listed as ‘traditional’ but might not be. It starts off in time honoured fashion “I’ve travelled all over this world, and soon to the next one I’ll go …” and is a rollicking barroom song with great piano. It seems that ‘they’ll send down a hogshead of whisky to welcome ol’ Roisin the Beau’. The lyrics are hard to catch because like several basement tracks the bass is so far into the red that getting enough volume to hear the lyrics threatens to blow the speakers. Nice guitar touches from Robbie with a second guitar playing around in the solo, probably Dylan. For some reason they eschewed the obvious which was to have a violin on it!


Posted on Fri Aug 17 09:23:35 CEST 2001 from spider-tm052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.67)

Joe

From: New Rochelle - Red Hook, NY

I think your right Bob Wigo. I just checked Margolin's schedule on his website and it says w/Levon Helm on 8/10 , 8/11 and 8/12. The 10th being "Bubba Mac's Shack" BTW....Bob Margolin will be at the "Turning Point" in Piermont,NY 12/1/01...I've already got my tickets.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 06:27:02 CEST 2001 from spider-tm032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.57)

Bob W.

can anybody tell me the name of that show on Bravo that covered The Band?


Posted on Fri Aug 17 05:10:51 CEST 2001 from dialup-282.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.26)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

I always thought the Roadrunner said 'Beep-Beep'.......Wots this 'Neep-Meep' Biz about?

The Band woulda been great in the 'Woodstock' Movie IF the movie featured not only them performing but also talking about Woodstock itself......that whole gig was an effort to get Dylan and them out to play anyway, wasn't it?.......if they had been interviewed directly about how they had lived in the area and what it meant to them it COULD have added to the movie....seeing as they were the first Rock'n'Roll band to live up there......sorta.....I guess......Even if they had footage of Rick chilling out acid casualties.....that woulda added something to the film.......

Tonight I was given a bootleg of The Band playing Roosevelt Stadium in 1973 with The Dead on Jerrys birthday, dude.........Sounds pretty rockin' what I heard of it so far...but our drummer...whom a few of you met in NYC......robbed it outta my car as we were unloading gear.......sly boy that he is......

I heard tonight that Billy Preston isn't all that well lately.....anyone hear anything about that? Here's hoping he's well........

O yeah....BTW....someone actually DISAGREED with me here about Little Richards 'Reddy Teddy'

Oi!.....Is that ALLOWED, Jan?.....are folks allowed to differ with me here on The GB?......how DARE they?

Hey!.....Ah C'Mon Now......you know you know about My Debutante.......


Posted on Fri Aug 17 04:26:19 CEST 2001 from spider-we024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.29)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

I meant to mention how much I enjoyed the peice on Bill Whithers (spelling?) on the Bravo thing the other night. They had him talking as he is today as well as showing vintage clips. He's an interesting guy who wrote some good tunes. Whenever I catch "Lean on Me" on the radio i crank it up. That songs has very cool bass playing in it - listen to the bass next time you hear it.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 03:55:03 CEST 2001 from 24-159-102-250.hsacorp.net (24.159.102.250)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell, Ga
Web page

For all NY area radio listeners, WFUV, 90.3 will play the new Dylan CD, live from Boulder, Colorado. Go figure. WFUV can also be streamed live on the net, www.wfuv.org.

Live music update, no BB, Prof. Louie , Gurus, so what's the next best thing to do, go to an outdoor concert, have a table with good friends, and listen to the likes of Keb Mo and Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. Talk about 2 headliners for the price of one ticket!!! Great show, Keb just walks out, no intro, just plays and talks up a storm, then in the middle of Keb's preformance, Bela just walks on to play with the group. Not to be outdone, Bela, after a brief set change, hiding in the corner of the stage starts playing one of my favorites,"Big Country, and then we see Futureman, then Victor and then Jeff. Guess who comes on in the middle of Bela's set, yes, Keb. Such perfection. Did get a chance to shake hands with Futureman (alias Roy Wooten, Victor's brother), but would not take a picture, asked me to come back after the show, never did find him, guess I will have to look in the future.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 03:08:46 CEST 2001 from spider-wn054.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.174)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Thanks John. Damn, I must have been asleep at the wheel.

Now there's a band worth checking out....Asleep At The Wheel.


Posted on Fri Aug 17 02:50:32 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Yes he did Bob Wigo


Posted on Fri Aug 17 02:46:06 CEST 2001 from 105.b.004.mel.iprimus.net.au (210.50.41.105)

Erin

I was just looking and the Genuine Basement Tapes pages that have been added... about Rozin the Beau... Resin the bow? I haven't heard the song, can someone who has help me out?


Posted on Fri Aug 17 00:36:23 CEST 2001 from 1cust141.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.141)

HI

From: WESTERN ULSTER

For lodging around here you might want to consider La Duchesse Anne in Mt Tremper (845 688 5260) or the Onteora Mountain House in Boiceville (845 657 6233)...more Woodstockie and easily reach the village of Woodstock ....


Posted on Fri Aug 17 00:12:15 CEST 2001 from fe0-0.cache-01.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.0.5)

Randy

Somebody on ebay selling Genuine Bsmt tapes, said 'beware of cheap Mexican copies' is that a joke or does it mean the 11 cd set?


Posted on Thu Aug 16 23:14:29 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.162)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Does anyone know if Levon played at Bubba Mac's last Friday night (8/10) with Bob Margolin ? I think one slipped under the radar.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 22:34:12 CEST 2001 from (164.156.231.55)

Little Brøther

From: Upper Darby by way of Philadelphia, PA, USA

The Road Runner's call is indeed "meep/meep".

Let's not turn it into one of those "blood/mud" things...


Posted on Thu Aug 16 20:45:05 CEST 2001 from picsbh6-x0.ms.com (199.89.64.58)

Rich Forbes

From: New York
Web page

Hope to see as many of the GB'ers this weekend in the Pocono's. If you haven't been there before, it's a great site on the side of a mountain. There are two stages - which allows the next band to set up as the other stage is being used. Bring along a lawn chair or a blanket... They also have stands with a pretty decent assortment of food and BEER! This is the 3rd year at Big Boulder - it was previously called `The Pocono's Biker Rally'! This years show has a great line-up. I've been sharing the MC duties for the last 2 years and it's always been a great weekend. I'm looking forward to meeting some of you there... Rich


Posted on Thu Aug 16 20:41:47 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

I always thought that the Roadrunner was saying "meep/meap", not "neep/neap". Ebb tide had a song written about it, but not neap tide - unfair.

Speaking of topical songs, I wonder if the Hawks ever performed "Roadrunner"? I can imagine Levon half singing, half saying, "I'm a roadrunner, baby ..." The song WAS recorded, by the way, by Danny Harrison and the Count Victors (on Coral), Harrison being another of those vets of southwestern Ontario sub-Hawkins/Hawks bands of the early sixties.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 20:36:42 CEST 2001 from spider-tm051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.66)

Donna

From: PA

To all of you going to Big Boulder on Saturday and Sunday, have a great time! I had planned on going, but due to family matters I am unable to attend. I will look forward to reading your post about it when you all return.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 20:20:33 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

From: CT

Great posts lately. The Bravo special placing the Band above its peers sounded great! I hate that I did not get to see it. Maybe it will be released on video one day. It sounds like Bravo has some good music specials on the channel. Levon and the Basement Tapes discussion is interesting as well. I have never thought that he might have benefitted from sales of that record. Also, the Tyson chicken story by Paul was wonderful. Paul, you always have great Levon stories.

Crabby: Have you heard anything lately on your girl, Nicky Love?? When is the record coming out?


Posted on Thu Aug 16 19:57:04 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

From: near Filadeplfia
Web page

Eye ment too sai "Knights Who Say Ni!". Sarry.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 19:42:43 CEST 2001 from dap-209-114-164-9.nfas.monroe-tnt-1.sns234.pa.stargate.net (209.114.164.9)

Mary (bear)

From: PA

Hello to all the guestbook folks. It has been a while. Anyway, sorry to do this in the gb, but this message is for Rollie. I lost your email address, but I wanted to let you know I sent out your things to you today. Again, I apologize for my tardiness at getting this to you. Please let me know when it arrives. As far as everyone else, I hope you all have a great day. A special hello to Donna, Lil, and last but not least Jan.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 19:22:29 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

From: pa

Bob Wigo - thanks for the info. As long as the weather does not look to bad, I will be there on Saturday with the wife and kids. I will keep an eye out for you.

Hope to see some other GB'ers there as well!


Posted on Thu Aug 16 17:37:33 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Oingo Boingo rules. I just wanted to say that for no particular reason.

Ben I've postulated on the BT royalties and Levon as well. Presumably Levon receives points on the Columbia release. Secondarily, I am curious if Levon holds contempt for not getting a writers credit on "Don't Ya Tell Henry," the popularity of which he is primarily responsible for, and in someways is a virtual "theme" song for Levon, playing it consistently into the reconstituted era.

I honestly don't mean that to sound flippant. Along with Cripple Creek and Dixie, few song are more identified with Levon, and his mandolin and vocal are integral parts of that song as we know it - essentially the same argument he makes regarding writing credits on Robertson material.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 16:58:46 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Interesting theory that ajr raised regarding The Band's non-appearance in the Woodstock movie. Although Michael Wadleigh was the film's director, perhaps another gentleman could enlighten us -- That would be Martin Scorsese, who was an "assistant director and supervising editor" for the movie. As the story goes, Mr. Scorsese acquired the nickname of "the Butcher" within the movie industry, early in his career, from his work as an editor.

Among the many things posted at the Woodstock 69 website is a copy of Santana's contract (which appears to be a standard one) for their performance. It shows that they were to be paid $1,500 plus $750 (for film rights due upon signing the contract) for on 45 minute set.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 16:47:07 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.23)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Dennis-THANX!! I'll check out those other places, Kingston isn't too far down the road. You have come through for me before, with BigPink directions and with pix, yer a good man. Hope to see you and Wanda there. Maybe John D also?


Posted on Thu Aug 16 16:31:37 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

From: Georgia

Amen Pat B, to your comments re the Bravo show last night...the program demonstrated once again how The Band defies categorization; although they have some things in common with their contemporaries, brushing up against them on occasion, at the same time they transcend them all. This was particularly evident at the end of the show when our boys were immediately preceded by those lightweight luminaries, The Eagles. Glenn Frey made eyes at the camera and failed abysmally at convincing me that he believed a word he was singing. Cut to TLW where Levon is sweating every syllable from his soul in "Dixie", all the while drumming up a storm...well, the difference was so stark I had to soften the contrast on my tv.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 15:11:51 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Web page

Uh, JTull, the Nights Who Say "Ni!" are from MP & the Holy Grail. The Jehovah scene is from The Life Of Brian. But hey, two different movies, set over a thousand years apart on two different continents...but given your admiration for the The Great Dissembler, close enough, eh? Why let facts get in the way of a good preconception?

Full Holy Grail script at http://www.oraclehumor.com/Humor/MontyPython.html
Stoning Scene from Life at http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/LifeOfBrian/brian-04.html

And now for something completely different...for those in the US Northeast, web site above is for Eli Whitney Folk Festival in Hew Haven, CT in Mid-September. No Band connection that I'm aware of, but a nice lineup, great setting, and the festival is run with minimal corporate sponsorship by people who do it for the love of the music. Dave Van Ronk, Toshi Reagan, The Kennedys, Nanci Griffith amongst the performers.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 15:09:53 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Bob Wigo(sorry bout sendin here)can't use other puter. Info please??? Garth fri, late, but may see ya and Frankie A there?????


Posted on Thu Aug 16 14:49:00 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-td073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.183)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Joe and Carmen,

I've sent you both emails concerning Saturday's Big Boulder show. Hope to see you there.

Anybody else making the trip?


Posted on Thu Aug 16 14:42:46 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

TO BASHFUL BILL...See what happens when they hold a Poetry Festival the same week-end as the Garth Man performs? Yeh it sure was hard finding anything. Most places had no problem during the week; but nothing on the week-end.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 14:15:25 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-172-134.hvc.rr.com (24.164.172.134)

Dennis

From: West Saugerties, NY

Bill, here's a couple of other choices for lodging in the area:

- Woodstock Lodge, Rte 375 heading into town across from the golf course, 845-679-2814 (kinda pricey).

In Kingston:

- Holiday Inn, Washington Ave off the circle, 845-338-0400,

- Ramada Inn, Rte 28 off the circle, 845-339-3900, or,

- My favorite "cheap chain," The Super 8, also on Washington Ave off the circle, 845-338-3078.

Good luck and please don't hesitate to ask if you need any more help....... Dennis


Posted on Thu Aug 16 13:49:51 CEST 2001 from spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.188)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Procrastination Bill, here, asking Ulster County area residents for help-I'm going down to the Bearsville show next week, and have always had no problem getting a room in one of those 2 places right at the Saugherties thruway exit. All booked up next week. Any suggestions? What is the name of that bed&breakfast within stumbling distance of the old Joyous Lake? Names & #'s of any local motels would be appreciated.I think I'll try to score a local phonebook on this trip, with JL reopening I'll probably be back in the area a little more often. I'm changing internet providers tomorow(Fri), but this email address still good til then. THANX!!


Posted on Thu Aug 16 13:49:38 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

From: pa

The BAND was described as being responsible for starting the post 60's hippie / hate everything style of songwriting and also given credit for ending this new style with TLW. I thought the Bravo program portrayed the BAND as being one step above all the others (CSN, Dead, Byrds etc..) covered in the program.

Can someone get me info on the Big Boulder show this Saturday? Thanks!


Posted on Thu Aug 16 11:02:37 CEST 2001 from (210.50.33.167)

Erin

From: Kallista

Pgodfrey, that is such a great story....

Always nice to see the Python boys' work getting an airing...


Posted on Thu Aug 16 09:11:33 CEST 2001 from spider-tp023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.183)

Joe

From: New Rochelle - Red Hook, NY

Yes Bob Wigo....I'll be at Big Boulder Saturday....maybe there's a chance we could shake hands.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 08:19:07 CEST 2001 from spider-ta052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.67)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

I was going to report on the Bravo special on TV tonight - but Pat Brennan pretty much covered it. The interviews with Robbie were very nice. I enjoyed his story on The Weight and how it was just a peice of backup material he had until they did it and everyone thought it was great.

It's a great show overall.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 07:01:12 CEST 2001 from (202.7.32.129)

Rod

From: NZ
Web page

Ben, maybe Levon owes Robbie a big thankyou for the performance royalties from the BTs.

I'm not sure what the Garth news is all about but I wish him all the best. Unfortunately this bad news has generated more comment here than his excellent album.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 06:47:05 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.208.65.180.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.65.180)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Just saw the Bravo show about the emerging singer-songwriter from the late 60's to early 70's. Opened with The Band. Extensive interview with Robbie Robertson with clips of Woodstock (The Weight) and the "Clubhouse" film (Cripple Creek) with a fragment of Unfaithful Servant over some stills. Fragments of the "travelogue" film which I hadn't seen. Ben Fong-Torres says the first two albums were the as important a two albums as any group has ever released. Show then proceeded to The Byrds, The Burrito Bros, CSN, Neil, CSN&Y, America, Joni, Bill Withers, and the Eagles. Back to TNTDODD from The Last Waltz, with Lyle Lovett (Narrator of the whole show) claiming that the Waltz was The Band's last show, leaving on top, etc. Interesting: no matter the commercial success of the other groups, the narration firmly points to the boys as the true believers.

It's funny. For a moment, as the last strains of Dixie died off and the crowd applause swept over the boys, I kinda wished it had been their last show.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 06:13:52 CEST 2001 from spider-wl072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.52)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

Love to get more info on an expanded "Basement Tapes" release, if such a think is to happen. I notice I get no takers on my question re: Levon and such a project, but it was of course the evil Robbie Robertson and his sacreligious bringing in of additional tunes to the BTs that made Levon part of the BTs. RE Elvis: I happend to catch up with that "Elvis Meets Nixon" show HBO did a few years back, funny stuff I thought. Not sure what you want me to explain, do you mean how the right's get Clinton hit squad went to Ark and in the early 90s and found Clinton's enimies(some Klansman) who made the manufactering evidence pay-offs that were "Troopergate?" Seems a lot of folks down there were still miffed at Bill for being a N-lover, and formed the race hate basis that was the foundation of the get Clinton effort on the right. Is that what you mean?


Posted on Thu Aug 16 05:14:48 CEST 2001 from pm457-24.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.130)

twilight

From: ann arbor, mi

The Knights who say "neep". Now that says it all so very simply.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 05:00:49 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.208.65.180.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.65.180)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Pardon my chuckle, but I'd advise everyone who needs to to gander a couple of years back at the GB if you want to see some real fighting. This latest surge of mano-y-mano-ing, while amusing, is hardly a blip compared to other blow-ups. Although Jan has shut the GB down once or twice, I doubt the latest postings would merit another one. Recall also that he had two helpers for a while, which may account for his present "overbooked" schedule.

It seemed The Band had their collective minds made up not to be in the Woodstock movie before they performed, as they demanded that the movie lights be shut off for their set. The washed-out look of their performance was a result of this decision.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 04:43:55 CEST 2001 from 1cust11.tnt6.pittsburgh.pa.da.uu.net (63.16.78.11)

Johnny Flippo

From: Vacation land

I just got back from two weeks in the EU (Paris, London, Dublin and points south) and boy are my arms tired ha ha ha. This post has no Band connection, but I must tell you all, that while in Paris, I saw the most remarkable band. A seven piece group, all women, called Les Pepitas, played the gardens at Luxemborg Palace, and they were the *bomb*. The group consisted of a tenor sax player, soprano sax player, a trombonist, a percussionist, a bass drummer, a piccolo snarist (with attached high-hat and ride) and a tuba player. Three of the women sang, and the repetoire consisted of ska, reggae, salsa and merengue. It was brilliant! The spokeswoman spoke french fluantly, but I was told they may have been Brazilian by background (apparently Paris has a large number of Brazilian emmigres).

Suffice to say, this was the musical highpoint of my summer. Sadly, they had no CD's to sell. All you folks from the Continent, does this description ring a bell? Do they have a CD? Email me with any leads, please. Peace out.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 02:25:35 CEST 2001 from www-cache-external.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.196.201)

ajr

Web page

Goodness knows I'm as fond of a gratuitous Python reference as the next person. Maybe some of you other fans will enjoy the Onion article referenced in webpage above entitled "Maybe I can impress her with Holy Grail quotes."


Posted on Thu Aug 16 01:45:24 CEST 2001 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

pgodfrey

John D. Loved your Don Tyson Fantasy. My 'chicken man' story takes me back to the Last Waltz. When we arrived we went up and said hi to Levon. Levon introduced us to the fellow and told Julia and I that this friend Don would help us when we got to Winterland, first go in by way of the backstage door, then out where we sat.

Part way thru the concert we went to the front lobby to purchase a LW poster and a couple of t-shirts. I only had Canadian money. So Levon's friend lent me the greenbacks for the purchase.

Back in Canada I wrote a letter saying thanks for the loan, sent down the money and asked if I could purchase a Tyson Chicken shirt like Levon's. About two weeks later a package arrived from Arkansas with a nice note and an authentic Tyson Chicken shirt with my name embroidered above the left pocket. What a souvenir. Sad to say it got lost during one of our moves. It took a little while for it to sink in, just how incredibly fortunate we were to be chaperoned by non other than Don Tyson. He is a gentleman, a fun person and really has that wonderful down-home Arkansas disposition about him. Looking back...it does somehow seem like a fantasy. Lets pray that your fantasy comes to life. Shine On!


Posted on Thu Aug 16 01:05:06 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

The most interesting "dust up" for me was the prolonged discussion about Rick entering a hotel carrying a bag from McDonalds. At the time, it raised quite brouhaha ranging from "mind your own beeswax" to "Rick should be taking better care of himself." Sadly, the forces representing the latter were probably, in retrospect, right for their concern. (for the record, I stayed out of that one).

JTull, this flinging about of the term "political correctness" is lost on me. First, it's not cogent to the point those posters (including me) were making. No one said "Elvis ripped off black artists."

Rather, it was the genesis of the whole Elvis discussion - the Public Enemy song "Fight the Power," and the lyric "Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me." The discussion revolved the meaning and origins of the sentiment driving that lyric, including the apocryphal Elvis quote regarding Black people being good only for "buying records and shining shoes."

So, please tell us where this so-called "political correctness" is. No one implied that Elvis should be sent to "musical Siberia." On what do you base this accusation?

In fact, it's far more in keeping with "political correctness" to make derisive comments about other people's opinions and characterizing them as "dour."

Finally, it's "Knights Who Say 'NI'" (as in "knee"), not "neep." "Neep" is the sound the Roadrunner makes in the Warner Brother cartoons. Of course, prior to the discover of the dreaded word "it," the "Knights Who Say 'Ni'" morphed into the short-lived "Knights who say 'Ekky-ekky-ekky-ekky-z'Bang Zoom-Boing, Z-Nourrrwringmm.'"


Posted on Thu Aug 16 01:00:58 CEST 2001 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

Pehr

Thanks to Jan & co.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 00:48:37 CEST 2001 from spider-wc032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.32)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

Now don't go gettin' your drawers in a twist in reaction to Jan's "What's New" comment. After all, he is a College Professor and will be extremely busy getting ready for the new College year. Jan loves this site and he wouldn't let a little petty behavior ruin things for everyone; including himself. Long live the Band web site!!!!!


Posted on Thu Aug 16 00:25:29 CEST 2001 from (146.178.26.8)

Michael

From: Melbourne

John D, like you I have been a fan on James Burton playing since I was a kid, and thats a long time ago. I sure hope the Elvis tribute makes its way down here. Re this site, since I was one of about 6 people who saw TLW movie in melbourne when it was released there was virtually nothing about the guys down this way, then I discovered this site, it was like finding the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, like catching up with old friends, I even found a copy of a photo of the guys that I took to a tailor to show him the suit I wanted made to get married in. Thank you Jan, this is a good place to visit.


Posted on Thu Aug 16 00:15:03 CEST 2001 from www-cache-external.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.196.201)

ajr

I seem to recall reading somewhere (a library book about the history of Woodstock?) that in fact the reason the Band did not appear in the Woodstock film was not due to Albert Grossman refusing permission as one story goes but because the directors felt it just did not fit into the film pace wise. May or may not be true.

Has there ever been a thread here about references to the Band in works of fiction? I’m sure Terry Pratchett is a Band fan. In his book Soul Music (also an animated film) he has a band that plays music with rocks in it (literally- there is a troll in the band) which at some points is referred to as The Band. The guitarist of the band has a guitar which sucks his life away--a Daniel and the Sacred Harp type reference perhaps. They play at a pseudo Woodstockian type festival too.

Top ten dustups here? I have fond memories of the vegetarian vs non vegetarian ones. Oh that deer story…


Posted on Wed Aug 15 23:37:42 CEST 2001 from as8-d26-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.26)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

If it were not for this site:

I would never have known about the release of Jubilation, one of my favorite Band albums (post-Robbie)

I would never have met JK, who pointed me towards The Last Moving Shadows and The COMPLETE Last Waltz.

I would never have known about the video "The Band Is Back" and had one last chance to see Richard perform.

I would never have learned about Levon's side-project The Crowmatix, which then evolved into The Crowmatix we know today.

I would never have known about Rick's solo releases, let alone his sad death in 1999, or about Levon's health problems.

I would never have known about Jim Weider and the Honky-tonk Gurus or Levon's new band the Barnburners.

Most importantly, I would never have known that Levon and the BB's were performing in Louisville, Ky, May 20th, 2001. This grand occasion was the only chance I ever had (so far) to see one of the guys perform live and in person.

I would never have been able to "high-five" Levon at the end of the above-mentioned show!

I would never have been able to expand my Band collection to the massive thing it is today. My collection of other artists pales in comparison.

This site has been very important to me, as it has been to all of us.

I mention this here because of Jan's recent announcement on the What's New page. It sounded blunt and frightening.

I certainly hope I don't log on to this site one day only to find a white page that says "page unavailable".

The Band's music and the link between we GB'ers is held together by this sight, despite our petty differences and bickering about silly things.

I will now step down from the soap box, being careful not to trip.



Posted on Wed Aug 15 23:23:52 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Have we ever done a top 10 of guestbood dust-ups here? It'd be tough - there's just so much to choose from.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 23:16:09 CEST 2001 from spider-wl034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.34)

Amanda

Look John D.: Ya' know, I was trying to be nice in my last post. I am quite relaxed...thank you. It is you, Dear Sir, that ought not take yourself so seriously...not I. I do believe the drama is actually seeping out of your pores now! You are way off regarding the point I am trying to get across. Nothing is really bothering me....I guess the ritual of superiority in here just gets to me sometimes and like most whole-hearted Arkansans...we tend to come out swingin'. Must I confess my soul to you? I don't think so and nor do I want to. This is about all the fussin' you are going to get out of me, so I hope it was satisfactory. Ya'll have a good night!!


Posted on Wed Aug 15 23:12:45 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Bob W: I wouldn't want to be stuck on a long flight beside any of those single-letter guys. Would you?

Dave H: I think you're right about Robbie. One of his uncles, with a simple name like Jim or Al, was also called Robbie for short. As for the first names used on the Hammond LP, I figured it was either to avoid contractual hassles with other companies with whom they'd signed, or to avoid detection by US immigration authorities. Albert Grossman would surely have been able to clear things up for them, but he wasn't yet in the picture.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 23:11:44 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp69.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.69)

Diamond Lil

Steve Knowlton: Richard's middle name was George.

Keep on keepin on Jan. With much appreciation for all you do here. Hug.

Have a good night everyone.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 22:55:02 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

I'M B A C K! I keep thinking of Monty Python and the 'we are the knight's who say 'Neep!' " Well, Neep! Neep! , and The Holy Grail when they are stoning to death the guy who said 'Jehova', so he keeps dancing on one leg shouting 'Jehova Jehova Jehova!' That's what I was doing with my Rush Limbaugh comment. Like him or not mentioning his name has the same effects on the politically correct as 'Neep' and 'Jehova' do in Monty Python. So to those few of you: Neep! So, I am with TOMMY: let's chill out a bit, drink some happy juice and crank up the bloody tunes!!!!


Posted on Wed Aug 15 22:47:40 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

MattK: lighten up. I was making fun of political correctness here and everywhere, ie. those 'artists' who feel Elvis ripped off the work of others and he should be sent to musical Siberia. Read the original posts again. I think it is funny Elvis was brought up again after all that and at the same time totally agree with the text of the Elvis post and think it must have been a cool thing to see. Gads, I almost wish I was in college again just to annoy the anal political correct, who in my opinion are more dour (sic)and grim than any nun who ever hit me with a ruler.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 22:45:33 CEST 2001 from spider-wc031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.31)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

You mean like J. Edgar Hoover, F. Murray Abraham, F. Scott Fitzgerald and G. Gordon Liddy ??


Posted on Wed Aug 15 22:31:52 CEST 2001 from spider-tm084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.84)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

My middle name is actually Bayou, and my first name is Virgil.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 22:27:33 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

From: Rochester, NY (soon to be Berkeley, CA)

P. S.: Jan -- I saw the note on the "What's New" page and just wanted to let you know again how much I appreciate this site and the work you do. I hope all is well. Don't let the bastards (and Herricks) grind you down. People who find fault with your hard work are free to put up their own sites -- but they won't be nearly as valuable (and necessary) a resource. And I know many others feel the same way I do.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 22:27:29 CEST 2001 from spider-wo063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.48)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn

I gotta jump in here at some point...!I've been away too long....


Posted on Wed Aug 15 22:15:24 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave "King of Drama" Hopkins

From: Rochester, NY (soon to be Berkeley, CA)

Steve K: Robbie's first name is pronounced "Jay-mee." I believe, also (I'm sure someone else here knows for sure) that "Robbie" is not his original middle name but just his nickname (from "Robertson"). I've always been interested by Helm's name change from "Lavon" to "Levon" (he says in his book that the guys called him "Levon" 'cause it was easier to say -- a story I've always found a little weird myself). He also recalls that he went by "Mark" when enrolled at the Berklee School of Music between Band projects in the early '70s, in order to escape recognition. And the credits to John Hammond's "So Many Roads" album read "Eric Hudson" for some reason -- though that's the correct first name, I've never heard that Garth ever went by anything other than "Garth" (or "H. B." when appropriate).


Posted on Wed Aug 15 21:51:52 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

People who go by their middle names rule. My first name is James, though I've always gone by Matthew. it creates great confusion at times on legal docs. It may look pretentious, but adding the first initial to your contracts and signature can often save you alot of headaches (I once took me over a year to get credits under "james" transferred to my university where I was "matt." Hence, I'm always listed as J. Matthew on most of my stuff with any legal weight.

It only sucks when someone in HR has you listed on your biz card or company directory that way. It looks rather snooty.

Speaking of snooty - JTull makes an oblique reference to those of us who argued recently that Elvis himself is overrated. Personally, I enjoyed that discussion as much as any we've had around here lately. JTull seems to be implying some elitism by insinuating that Elvis was a forbidden topic. How silly.

First, no one said Elvis wasn't important. And certainly no one said he should be banned. In our current acrimonious climate, I don't think mischaracterizing past debates is helpful.

Second, most Elvis critics, myself included, made a POINT that Elvis' backing bands were superlative. My own arguement is that Elvis helped "legitimize" rock and roll by giving it a white face. I also made it clear that as a PERFORMER he is extremely important. I reject the notion that MUSICALLY he is a pioneer himself.

For me, Elvis' musical contribution to the "birth" of rock-and-roll begins and ends with Scotty Moore and Bill Black (and Sam Phillips as producer). Chet Atkins production work with Elvis has also been documented here. James Burton is incredibly important as a guitarist and likewise deserves adulation as a musical giant (as much for his work with Rick Nelson as Elvis, IMO).

If it makes folks feel better about my heresy, I do believe Elvis is probably the single most important and influential performer of the 20th Century.

I make a distinction, however between this and the pure musicological contributions of Elvis. Some may feel it's hair-splitting, but I think his greatness as a performer has led to an overestimation in his importance as musician. This does not apply to his backing band.

Hopefully, that satisfies JTull and puts to rest his (albiet joking) miscarraige of that debate from weeks past.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 21:24:44 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-th042.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.37)

Brien Sz

From: nj

I was thinking about the new Band box set that is supposedly being put together. Then it occurred to me, when the remasters were released, i asked why so little bonus material was on some of the cd's. It was answered that much of the material of the Band was lost/or unusable for such releases. If this is so, then what would the box set offer us that many of us don't already own with the remasters, old box set and boots. I know a lot of folks weren't pleased with the old box set but will a new one offer us anything "new"?

Is it possible that some of the more popular boots will be polished up? Will ol Hawks music suddenly appear from deep beneath the dust of an ol forgotten vault? Are their other reel to reels floating around from the early Dylan/Band (before the Band) collaborations -Live or studio? Are their going to excerpts of the Before the Flood tour we haven't heard before? What about the Woodstock set? Alt. takes we haven't heard? Last Waltz numbers that haven't been officially released? What about post Robbie cuts, live tracks and alternate takes, will these be included?

If the box set is nothing more than a rehash of stuff most of us already own with new "notes", pictures and maybe some Basement Tape goodies then why bother?

As a possible layout - The Stevie Ray Vaughn box set should be looked out as a possible starting point. The set offers some versions of his popular songs with different lyrics and slightly different arrangements - It has early jams before he made it - tons of live recordings never released before as well as some great radio performances. ALtogether, 80% of the songs are familiar, 70% of those are totally new versions, never released before - Superb! I had no need to buy it when i firsrt learned of it's release but after seeing what was on it, I had to have it and it was well worth the money.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 21:26:07 CEST 2001 from spider-wa034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.34)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Bones: Shoeoot... I had Bravo... but I just cancelled my cable last week... btw anybody else out there love the music they play at the beginning and end of The Actors Studio?... which is a Bravo interview type program... where the audience is made up of aspiring actors, etc,...


Posted on Wed Aug 15 21:08:02 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

Just cruising the ASCAP website, and I discovered some cool info: middle names!

We all know Jaime Robbie Robertson, of course (though I often wonder if it's pronounced "Jay-mee" or "Hai-may"), but how about Richard Claire Danko (is Claire a family name, or were his parents just setting him up for a lifetime of teasing?). Both Eric Garth Hudson and Mark Levon Helm use their middles every day. A strong preponderence of that in this band, 3/5. The lone mystery is Richard G. Manuel.

My vote for best rock and roll song is "People Got to Be Free." Isn't that what our favorite music really boils down to?


Posted on Wed Aug 15 20:46:28 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

AMANDA WRITES:

"This is such a cool place..minus a couple of drama queens (and kings)....this is not Days of Our Lives or some other silly soap opera that caters to "she said", "he wrote" and "I know so and so and so and so."

THEN AMANDA WRITES TO ME "let me be let me be." You can't have it both ways Amanda. If your going to take shots and then are called on it. Don't run from it. Something obviously bothered you enough to post the original post? When questioned you become very defensive and take a shot at me. Yes there are people who post here who actually know members of The Band. Should they go away? Your original post shows that something here is really bothering you. It's a guestbook for crying out loud. Don't take it so seriously. Relax......


Posted on Wed Aug 15 20:16:34 CEST 2001 from spider-wc072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.52)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Any GBers going to Big Boulder on Saturday to catch Levon and the Barn Burners ?


Posted on Wed Aug 15 20:14:37 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

From: CT

For those of you who get Bravo, the Band will be featured on tonight's episode of Century of Popular Song. Robbie Robertson is listed as being interviewed for the show. I get 5 zillion channels on my TV, but I don't get Bravo. How typical is that!


Posted on Wed Aug 15 19:45:42 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Hank: I can't agree with either "Ready Teddy" or "Johnny B. Goode". What I'd put forward instead would depend on what is meant by rock and roll. My definition is broad enough to leave room for me to nominate the following, any of which, and more, would rate as my absolute favourite - depending on day of the week, time of the day, mood of the nominator, etc.: "Shout" by the Isleys, "Do You Love Me" by the Contours, "Good Lovin'" by the Young Rascals, "Get Off My Cloud" by the Stones, "Like A Rolling Stone" live with our guys and and "Run Around Sue" by Dion.

Has the Band (or the Hawks) been taped performing any of those (aside from the obvious)? (They of course did another Isley song, and backed Hawkins on "Ruby".)


Posted on Wed Aug 15 19:40:35 CEST 2001 from spider-te082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.212)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

John D = you almost make that concert sound interesting. I would still find it hard to go see and "Elvis" concert. I think that if I heard that Elvis' old band was playing in some club somewhere, and that they were singing the tunes, or had some other singer NOT trying to look like Elvis - then it would appeal to me more.

Hank = great tune "Ready Teddy" - are you familiar with Lennon's great cover of "Ready Teddy/Rip It Up" from his Rock and Roll album? If you haven't heard it - check it out.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 19:17:31 CEST 2001 from dialup-096.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.96)

HANK

From: Cork
Web page

Thanx for the reply J KATZ!!!!

Now, That's better!......I was able to actually read The GB today.......and Good Golly, Miss Molly!....it's cats'n'rats'n'dogs'n' chickens'scratchin'hissin'bitin' Time in here!......I missed ALL the hassle........lucky me!

I was sorry to read of Garths financial predicament...... here's hoping he gets some lucrative session work soon and that some Hollywood Movie Producer uses music from 'Sea To the North' for some blockbuster........I once read that a broke Nick Lowe was living on a houseboat on the River Thames when a check arrived for a cool million bucks on the back of 'What's So Funny (About Peace, Love and Understanding)' being used in 'The Bodyguard' with Kevin Costner and Whitney Houston........not too shabby, as they say...............

Just a thought......Is it possible that 'Ready Teddy' by Little Richard is the Greatest Rock'n'Roll song of all time?...or, at least, in joint 1st place with Johnny B. Goode?.......I came across it again recently and am knocked out by how powerful it is........Anyone?


Posted on Wed Aug 15 19:08:17 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

I share John Donabie's admiration for Elvis' TCB (Taking Care of Business) band. TCB members James Burton, Glen D. Hardin and Ron Tutt also figured prominently in Emmylou Harris' early career. They played on the Gram Parsons albums "G P" and "Grievous Angel" that first featured Mr. Parsons' spellbinding duets with Ms. Harris. After the untimely death of Mr. Parsons, they also recorded & played with Ms. Harris at the beginning of her solo career as part of her first Hot Band.

Bassist Emory Gordy, Jr., who filled in for Jerry Scheff at the end with Elvis, also played with Gram Parsons and later with Ms. Harris. Mr. Gordy, who is from Atlanta, also played with Neil Diamond, along with another former Atlanta resident, drummer Dennis St. John. Their association as a rhythm section goes back to their days of playing in local bands around Atlanta in the '60s. Band fans will remember Mr. St. John as the drummer who played with Mr. Diamond and The Band at The Last Waltz. Mr. Gordy, as a session player, songwriter & producer over the last 20 years, has become one of the top figures in the Nashville recording scene. One of the many talented country artists he has worked with is his wife, Patty Loveless.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 18:58:16 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

JOHN D: You are posting about ELVIS?? Soytenly you do nought know that zertain music intelligentsia have ruled him unvoythy of zuppreciatzhun! Poy-hops zhum time in ze Siberian Ghulag can change zhe mind !?!? ( of course, I think it sounded awesome. wish I was there.)


Posted on Wed Aug 15 17:14:32 CEST 2001 from 64-59-143-56.ivideon.com (64.59.143.56)

Merchant Accounts

Web page

I'd just like to say that I simply love the Band! They rule!/n Regards,/n Dan Miller


Posted on Wed Aug 15 16:24:17 CEST 2001 from parachute2-156-40-65-124.net.nih.gov (156.40.65.124)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD

Hank - 'Tell Me Momma' as far as I know, was never performed again. The version from Manchester Free Trade, as well as the others from the tour have been much discussed, as you probably know, in particular by Greil Marcus who had a particularly good description which I cannot recall right now - a senior moment? It definitely was not reprised on Tour '74 [unfortunately]. In my opinion, that tour got a bit formulaic and could have used a kicker like TMM.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 16:15:16 CEST 2001 from spider-wn071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.181)

Amanda

Sir John D. ~ Defender of Illustrious Maidens: Perhaps you are the "Drama Queen" that I speak of. I am not personally aquainted with anyone partaking this wonderful website. I haven't the slightest idea who Diamond Lil (or anyone else) knows or doesn't know. I am a visitor to this place only because I am a devotee of the magical talent of The Band and a lover of knowledge. I beg you Sir John D.....let me be...let me be. I have meant no harm or ill will. I have no interest and see no advantage in warfare. I have visited this place often and I do believe it allows a divergent amount of convictions. I was only defending the honor of a player I hold in high esteem. Thank you for writing and have a lovely day!


Posted on Wed Aug 15 16:10:03 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

I just had to tell you that last night I attended, ELVIS, THE CONCERT. This is a multi-media show which brings Elvis back on a large center screen, surrounded on stage by all those who played with him in his latter years. To see the TCB Band live was truly a wish come true for a music fan like me. Here are men in their late 50's or early 60's playing like they were 21 and they were filled with passion.

The King of the Telecaster, James Burton on lead. Ronnie Tutt who next to Levon just may be my favorite rock drummer. Glen D. Hardin on piano never missed a lick and Gerry Sheff playing Bass gave me goosebumps. I had no idea how the bass line moved "Suspicious Minds." When you see a group of grey haired gentleman playing like they were teenagers let's me know there is no excuse to let down in life. The Sweet Inspirations, The Imperials were there as well. I'll be honest. 99% of the crowd were there to see Elvis on the screen. I've always been partial to the musicians that surround them. Ever since I saw James Burton play "I Believe What You Say" with Ricky; on the Ozzie and Harriet show, I was hooked as a Burton Fan. James had no problem talking to me about his love for Levon......the Ricky Nelson years and so much more. He was excited to tell me that he's going in the studio to work with Merle Haggard next. What a Night!


Posted on Wed Aug 15 15:26:53 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Shame re. Garth's situation! God's smile down and provide gift's of talent!! Bureaucrats have to screw up a good thing!! Took Dave the D's advice: can't see the Band, Gurus, or Barnburners........but went to see LITTLE FEAT! Helped us get out of the funk!!! 8/17 and 8/24 Garth shows will be really apprecaited by this crew!


Posted on Wed Aug 15 15:22:29 CEST 2001 from spider-wc042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.37)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

A postscript to David Powell's last post...

Richie Havens was indeed the beneficiary of fortuitous circumstance. His talents took him to a time and place that would catapult his career. The best part of the Richie Havens story though is the man himself. He may well be one of the finest souls on the planet. He is a kind, generous, wise, articulate and sympathetic man who has lent his talents for countless good causes around the globe. His music, both soulful and powerful, reflects the depth of the man. If you have never seen Mr. Havens perform you should do so. There are very few artists out there who bring to their craft what Richie Havens brings to his.

As you can see I'm a fan.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 15:03:25 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

John D: I remember reading a "Goldmine" article about Seals and Crofts which stated that their career was ruined by an anti-abortion song. Just wondering if that's really the case, 'cause it seems pop fans will pick up anything if it's catchy enough, regardless of lyrical content.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 14:39:41 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Anyone see 'Jethro Dull' on TNN last weekend? Thought their show was good but dissapointed they broadcast no recent tracks. Really enjoyed the Edgar Winter segments as well. Thought his bassist reminded me of Bootsie Collins. If I haven't responded to any personal emails I will try by this weekend. My modem had a run-in with a lighting bolt so I am posting from work.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 14:25:19 CEST 2001 from as8-d182-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.182)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Well, this morning the GB seems to be back to normal and my post (which caused the problem to begin with) is gone.

Thank God (aka Jan and his gang)



Posted on Wed Aug 15 12:54:34 CEST 2001 from grmn-189ppp220.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.220)

Diamond Lil

Happy Birthday Tom Moretti!! (You really didn't think I wasn't going to do this, did you? :-) All the best!


Posted on Wed Aug 15 12:09:41 CEST 2001 from webcacheb07a.cache.pol.co.uk (195.92.168.169)

Al

Web page

Great site!


Posted on Wed Aug 15 09:27:29 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

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Posted on Wed Aug 15 08:56:23 CEST 2001 from c5300-2-ip31.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.225.31)

'possum

Yessirree........These llllloooonnnngggg lines are ssssstttttrrrrreeeeetttttccccchhhhhiiiiinnnnnggggg too far! I keep falling over when I try to look around the corner! It's altering my p-p-p-ppp-perception. It's stretchering too much! Is it possible to rewiiiind your miiind to back behiiiind the tiiiime when my miiiind was altered?


Posted on Wed Aug 15 07:17:47 CEST 2001 from spider-we083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.58)

Bayou Sam

From: nowhere near the freakin' bayou

KL John = It's OK - even though it's a pain in the ass to read the GB tonight, your intentions had the desired affect - on me at least. Funny.

"at all costs, let's laugh".......Levon Helm


Posted on Wed Aug 15 06:51:04 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Gee....can't you tell I just came from seeing the legendary TCB rhythm section. JAMES BURTON RULES!

BEN PIKE....I don't understand your comment about Diamond Lil? Could you explain? Thanks


Posted on Wed Aug 15 06:47:34 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

JAN...OH GREAT MERLIN OF THE INTERNET. MAKE THE LONG SENTENCES GO AWAY.....


Posted on Wed Aug 15 06:45:28 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

AMANDA

Wonder if you could be more specific about the "drama kings and queens." I don't understand. I hope your not talking about Lil's comments about talking to Maud. Could you give us some names of who seems to be bothering you and why? It might be helpful to take your innuendo and bring it into the light.

Thanks


Posted on Wed Aug 15 06:39:01 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

IS ANYONE AWAKE? IT'S 12:25 AM EST. THE GUESTBOOK IS GOING OFF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE. IT'S NOT WRAPPING. ANYONE SEEING THE SAME THING?


Posted on Wed Aug 15 06:36:15 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

WAHT'S WRONG WITH THE GUESTBOOK? THE POSTS ARE GOING OFF THE RIGHT SIDE OF MY 19" SCREEN. THEY ARE NOT WRAPPING JAN.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 04:21:31 CEST 2001 from as7-d78-sc-psci.psci.net (63.75.26.78)

Knockin' Lost John

Uh_uhm

Well, uh, trying to be funny has backfired on me here and I do apologize. I didn't know my post would do that to the GB. Perhaps Jan could be kind enough to erase my last post.

I was just trying to get everybody to "cheer up". Seems like everyone was about to start throwing stones at each other in here.

I do apologize, and I am quite embarrassed.

Sorry GB'ers.

Sorry Jan.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 03:01:23 CEST 2001 from dialup-084.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.84)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

Bummer...I've been away and just checked out The GB to see what I could see....and it comes up on my screen very long across so I have to scroll left to right and up and down to read it.......it's too weird....I'll be back tomorrow........hope you're all well and happy and groovin' along nicely......it's raining buckets here in D'aul Sod..........'Tell Me Momma' from The Manchester Free Trade seriously rocks!....Did Bob ever do it since.......with or without The Band/Hawks?........anywhere on the '74 tour?........


Posted on Wed Aug 15 02:16:40 CEST 2001 from st-catherines-ppp112490.sympatico.ca (216.209.140.119)

Richard

From: Blame Canada

ThanksalotKLJ.


Posted on Wed Aug 15 00:09:52 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

A postscript to my earlier post: Perhaps the best example of an artist who's career was completely turned around by appearing at Woodstock and in the subsequent film of the event is Richie Havens. Several fateful turn of events led to this enormous boost to his career.

Albert Grossman had initially been Mr. Havens' manager and was intrumental in getting him signed to a recording contract with the Verve label. By the time of the Woodstock festival in 1969, however, Mr. Havens' managerial affairs were being handled by record producer Mark Roth. As luck would have, when it was apparent that all the roads leading to the festival site were clogged, Mr. Havens was able to get there quickly by helicopter through Mr. Roth's efforts. When the time came to start the festival on Aug. 15th, many of the bands were not there yet. As the promoters looked around to figure out who they could get to go onstage first, they found Mr. Havens with his two accompanists willing & able to start the show. Since they were all playing acoustic instruments, there were no amplifiers or other equipment that needed to be set up, and they hit the stage running. With no other acts at the time ready to go on, Mr. Havens got to play an extra-long set. Inspired by the huge crowd, he turned in a tremendously energetic performance that, in turn, ignited the crowd. Since the subsequent movie, more or less, followed a chronological order, Mr. Havens's great performance was the first to appear in the film, further enhancing the power of it's effect. The rest, as they say, is history -- Richie Havens' career, as a result of his appearance in the film, was captapulted to an extraordinary level.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 23:50:15 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-th022.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.27)

Brien Sz

Oh we haven't had a tit for tat fight in a while..,well, well, well

Picked up The Live Adventures of Mike Bloomfield and Al Cooper a couple days back - double cd's at 15.99 are hard to pass up. This particular collection was recorded in September of 1968. Of note is an instrumental version of The Weight.., Not bad, nice subtle guitar work that is mostly carried by the keyboard. Also of note, a soulish version of The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy), interesting.

The cd is chuck full of that typical sixties Hammond keyboard sound, where it builds then, BAM, every finger is stretched out, elbows locked, chin up and protruding, eyes closed with the light head shake, and LOUD! almost distortingly so, loud. You've all heard it. Bloomfield even seems to fall victim to that acid/blues rock sound that dates it as sixties melodrama music. All in all it is an interesting cd and some of the jams are worth the wait but Bloomfields Live at the Old Wardof (sic?) is a much better effort, with a truer blues feel.

By the way the John Adams bio is top rate! And if you're into books on tape, Bill Bryson's, A Walk in the Woods, is witty and delightful to the ears. I found myself sitting in the car for several minutes on almost every listen, before wanting to get out.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 23:22:01 CEST 2001 from spider-tf071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.206)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

A potent "Remedy" for this kind of pedestrian behavior would be to GET OUT AND SEE SOME LIVE MUSIC,,,,be it Band related or not. Some people just spend too damn much "screen time" and not enough "real time."

Occasionally, I find myself guilty of this . That's when it's time to do things like see "The Rolling Fork Review" featuring Levon Helm and Hubert Sumlin or The Honky Tonk Guru's. Don't just sit there and let yourself sink to depths below your dignity,,,,get out and enjoy yourself more and support the artists. Maybe you'll have better things to contribute to the GB.

P.S. This message is not directed to any one particular individual. You know who you are....don't you ???


Posted on Tue Aug 14 23:12:34 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-172.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.172)

Peter Viney

John D: I have the actual DVD disc here. It says: "This disc has no regional restriction" on the cover and again on the disc. This is "Region 0" in general terms. It's definitely not "Region 2". But do check that PAL point in the instruction book for your player. By the way, I know full well that if you saw a "copy" first you'd then buy one, and none of my comments in this minor contretemps are directed at you.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 22:55:56 CEST 2001 from as7-d137-sc-psci.psci.net (63.75.26.137)

Knockin' Lost John

"She'll steal your voice

And leave you howlin' at the mooooooooooooon"

These Dylan lines may seem paradoxical (sp?) but it is indeed possible for a woman to steal your voice and leave you howling at the moon.

An ex-girlfriend of mine accomplished this by kicking me in the groin.

She stole my voice and left me howling at the moon.



Posted on Tue Aug 14 22:39:12 CEST 2001 from spider-tk034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.189)

Amanda

From: SC

Gossip: A rumor or report of intimate nature.I know most people mean well, but enough is enough. People from all walks of life go through bad situations. Famous artists are not peculiar to misfortune and they are most certainly not hard-boiled against flabby tongues. Gossip: Chatty talk. Arent't most of you DOING what you're always COMPLAINING about? Why...you are usually so "bored" with this kind of talk! What is happening here? I am shocked and dismayed!!! Dave Powell: Your sensitivity and love of all things The Band are highly regarded. Ben Pike and Bayou Sam: Your honesty is always refreshing and interesting. It is much more inspiring than heresay! This is such a cool place..minus a couple of drama queens (and kings). This is The Band website... a place to pay respect to some amazing musicians...this is not Days of Our Lives or some other silly soap opera that caters to "she said", "he wrote" and "I know so and so and so and so." Let's keep this place bright and shining, not dingy and foul.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 22:17:48 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

The website was a biting response to the obtuse Clinton healthcare comment. I will not even dignify the Klan comment. Adults discuss and try reason. Children lash out and throw things. I am backing off.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 22:16:13 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Funk N. Wagnall

King Nimrod was such a great hunter that his name became a word meaning just that...of late nimrod has acquired a negative connotation, usually denoting a person of less than mighty mental skills, and just today appeared here in that context. Any theories out there on how this new meaning came into usage? Is the ancient monarch reaping what he sowed so long ago with his construction of the Tower of Babel?...King Harvest has surely come.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 21:56:42 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

From: Toronto

Last week I mentioned Dianne Brooks and the Mynah Birds (alumni: Neli Young, Rick James, Bruce Palmer, Nick St Nicholas, Goldy McJohn) in separate posts. On Saturday, at the Collingwood Jazz and Blues Festival, I saw Dianne performing, backed by the drummer from the Mynah Birds. And, John D., Jay Jackson, who was there with his vocal group, got up and did a couple songs with the Majestics!!

Journey: Linked to Santana and with the great Aynsley Dunbar on drums, no? I can't think of anything bad to say about their classic "Wheel In The Sky" - which must be somehow related to "Wheel On Fire". Both songs seem apocolyptic to me, so that also brings in Jesus (Christ to some), who a couple of you mentioned earlier.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 21:53:11 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

From: CT

John D: I totally agree with you! Although I don't know for sure, I have this feeling that all members of the Band have made more money than I will ever make over the long haul of their careers. If they had better "handlers" as you say, then this constant talk of finance would not be an issue. I also think there would be less finger pointing at Robbie. You never hear members of the Stones slamming Mick and Keith about songwriting royalties (and you know they had plenty of input) because they were all wealthy enough I imagine. Also, I liked your story about Seals and Crofts....that was a great example.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 21:36:03 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

Peter Viney, Here are the specifics I just copies from the site.

Technical Information Release Information: DVD Release Date: 6 August, 2001 Edition Details: • Region 2 encoding (Europe, Middle East & Japan only) • ASIN: B00005M09K • Catalogue Number: SDE3006


Posted on Tue Aug 14 21:33:32 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

Peter Viney

The new Band DVD is region coded. As I stated earlier; when I looked it up at the Amazon.com UK site, it is coded for Europe, Middle-East and Japan only. Not for North American play at this time.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 21:31:34 CEST 2001 from spider-tl023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.183)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

Tull fan, your link didn't work, but if you are buds with Dimond Lil that must mean the Klan site is under construction. Playing a killer "Uncle Dave Macon" collection I got a thrift store, along with Dylan's "First Time Around" for fifty cents!


Posted on Tue Aug 14 21:24:08 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp55.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.55)

Diamond Lil

DaveZ: Still clutching my Molson bottle here :-)

Ben Pike: Know what? This is stupid. Just because some folks don't see eye to eye on some things, doesn't mean they have to keep at each other like 2 pre-schoolers. I'm as guilty as you are today. So... peace.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 21:11:33 CEST 2001 from spider-tp062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.202)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Wow, multiple fights breaking out... among nice smart folks too... maybe I will just sit here a bit... try not to get hit by a flying bottle... and talk to myself about the grey stuff... possibilities... my guess is John D would enjoy his copy from Serge if sent... and probably buy it anyway once available... right?... whoops, there goes a Bud Lite bottle... and has anybody listened to some of the Garth instrumentals in the audio section... one sounds like a livelier "Little Island" piano piece... like going from sad to... well a western barroom ambiance... did I spell that right?... no not ambulance... whoops, there goes a glass of Moosehead... I wonder if Garth just sat down at the piano for Little Island and improv-ed it, and there's maybe like 30 alternate takes out there... or was this the piano piece that took a month?... hey, not the Killian's... ouch... Little Island does seem a little sad or maybe late afternoon shadows kinda sad... anyway, I'm outta here... waiter check please... I'll come back when the band starts to play again...


Posted on Tue Aug 14 20:26:42 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-101.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.101)

Peter Viney

Serge: I never thought of ‘Christ’ as a foul word, but each to his own. I was expressing a reaction of enthusiasm, and I shouldn’t imagine that such mild expletives are unknown or shocking to you. Put it this way, ‘The Sea to the North’ isn’t commercially available in Britain yet, but I have played it to people, and then given them Breeze Hill’s address, pointed out that they are prompt and efficient, and noted also that CDX will be selling it here mail order as soon as it’s available in September, just as they did Times Like These. I won’t copy it. I assume that Live At Loreley is not region-coded precisely because that will enable it to be sold in North America.

But on a directly opposite note, on bootlegs rather than official royalty-bearing releases, info on the 11 CD basement selection was on alt.music.the-band, as Pat originally pointed out. No doubt it will appear here. At last it has the stuff done by The Band without Dylan (and mainly without Levon), more than a CD’s worth too. It claims to be very “limited” but this might be a ploy. I know at least three people (apart from me) who bought the “last remaining copy” of The Complete Last Waltz. I suspect this set will cost an arm and a leg unfortunately, it repeats some tracks four times, so as to reproduce boots of the past in the same order, and might only be a prelude to an official Sony set. While it’s still a boot, I can’t see any objection to ripping off the bootlegger by copying it. The day it becomes an official release, it’s different. I think most of us understand the distinction.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 20:16:18 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

I think Peter should do a peice on the influence of Serge on God.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 20:13:42 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Serge, for you, I'll give it away. Actually, I'm just pleased that for once you aren't acting the coward and posting under yet another assumed name. There's hope for you yet.

Now that your childish masquerading is at an end (we hope), perhaps you can work on that strong stench of hypocracy that still wafts from your holier-than-thou posts?

I find it pathetic that you would take the time to berate and lecture one of Garth's young fans for using one of your precious photos on his site, but not hesitate to trade a copyrighted recording at a time when one of your supposed schoolchums is in such bad shape financially.

Of course, Sergie poo, I suppose I'd be disappointed if you ever showed a shred of integrity. Using John D and Garth in your twisted war with Peter should be no surprise coming from you.

Then again, it's always REALLY about you, isn't it Serge, my love? Tell you what, I think I've got a few Zoloft caps left in my bathroom cabinet. If you'd like, I could send them to you, old buddy. I'm hoping they might at least take the edge off, since you've clearly chosen to stop taking the Lithium...


Posted on Tue Aug 14 20:07:31 CEST 2001 from as7-d162-sc-psci.psci.net (63.75.26.162)

Knockin' Lost John

"It's easily done

Just pick anyone

And pretend that you never have met"

I tried this theory on somebody today. It really works. Dylan is amazing.



Posted on Tue Aug 14 19:38:08 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp202.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.202)

Diamond Lil

Isn't it amazing how I asked about a tune done by Journey once (about 2 years ago) and now some obsessive, compulsive, self-proclaimed 'nimrod' (although he didn't mention what kind he is) won't let it go? Sad really.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 19:34:55 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

This Friday, Aug. 17th, marks the 32nd anniversary of The Band's performance at the first Woodstock music festival. The group was conspicuously absent from the initial film & soundtrack accounts of the event, allegedly due to differences between their manager, Albert Grossman, and the festival promoters over certain contractual & monetary issues. One wonders what impact this had on their careers, as well as that of other Grossman clients, such as the Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Janis Joplin, who also did not appear in the original film. Through Mr. Grossman's efforts they were certainly able to maintain their "aura of mystery" and receive large sums for their concert performances, but what effect did their absence from the film have on their record sales at the time?

The Band's set that night consisted of nine songs: "Chestfever, Don't Do It, Tears of Rage, We Can Talk, Long Black Veil, Don't Ya Tell Henry, Ain't No More Cane, Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever and The Weight". Although available on bootlegs, the complete set has never been officially released. With all the recent talk of Robbie Robertson considering another CD box set, one would hope that it would include a remastered version of the complete set.

Four songs from the set, however, have appeared on official releases --"Long Black Veil, Loving You Is Sweeter and The Weight" (as part of The 25th Anniversary of Woodstock box set) and "Ain't No More Cane" (on the rarities disc included with the "Across The Great Divide" box set). Apart from some technical difficulties (which plagued almost all of the festival's performances), these tracks provide evidence that The Band played an excellent & inspired set that night. Of course there's the small distraction of the microphone near Mr. Robertson left on, most evident on "The Weight" (therefore picking up his incidental "singing" and talking). There maybe a simple explanation for this -- during a song performed earlier, "Ain't No More Cane", Robertson sang a verse, and perhaps his microphone was inadvertently left on throughout the entire set due to this reason. Another technical glitch surfaces during this same song -- the level on Richard Manuel's mike is set too low. But these are trivial problems, that at least in my mind, don't otherwise distract from The Band's fine performance at Woodstock.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 19:32:47 CEST 2001 from 961016.ahml.lib.il.us (38.231.168.129)

Osceola

From: Chicago Area

Just wanted to thank Rollie for the great care package received last week. A return pakage is being prepared. Thanks again; it's in constant rotation!


Posted on Tue Aug 14 19:24:14 CEST 2001 from citrix1.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.5)

JOHN CASS

From: Vt

Did some rock stars start a fund to help ex-rock stars in financal situations that Garth has found himself in. I seem to remember Bonnie Raitt doing alot work for the old blues artist so they can get some financal help. You would think that if a Band/Artist had financal problems (which they all have had I am sure) and years service with one record company there would be something like a pention plan added into contracts like defered money similar to the way athletes contracts work. I think of the music business like pro sports, there should be people working for musicians like the way pro sports works for old athletes that are down in luck, helping them get on there feat.

It seems that these situations happen all to much in Rock n Roll that all these artist would start a organization to help out these people who have lost so much money. It seems like stories like Garth's happens to much and it always seems like it was from that era of music. It's pretty sad that a group like The Back Street Boys who has probably made more money off the lamest music ever created in 1 or 2 shitty albums than the Band made there whole lifes. Where will the Back Street Boys be doing in 3 years from now??? I am hoping not making albums, but they will be rich thats for sure.

All these new artist seem like there quick to use the classic songs, hell I saw Stevie Nicks in a Destany Child Video on MTV last night!!! Santana putting out Super Natural with all these young artist. I am sure he made way more money on that one than he ever made on his 30 plus albums he released prior to that one. The problem is that the music business is like Sports, yesterdays heros laid the ground work for the real big money and all these new commers are capitalizing. I would love to see these record companys take some of the responsability for the misfortune of guys like Garth and all the other Rock and Roll legends who worked there lives creating the music that others are making the money on, but I know that will never happen.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 19:16:55 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.53)

Rick S.

From: Suffern, N.Y.

Garth and Maud- here's to two very decent people. Garth, you were the one who first got me hooked on The Band. I'm still in awe of your talent. I'm donating part of my "tax cut" to you two. May better times lie ahead.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 19:03:03 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tl053.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.173)

Kevin T.

From: Pittsburgh

I have a couple of requests: Can someone out there email the info on the new 11 disc set of Basement Tapes stuff? I have a reel to reel of the King Biscuit show in its entirety and want to know if anyone in GB land can transfer it to CD-email me direct if you can. Thanks and my best wishes to the Hudson's in their time of trial. My wife and I are going thru some interesting times and all I can say is to keep your faith that all will be well.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 18:44:24 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTull Fan

From: Richmond
Web page

Mr. Pike: I have included a nice website for you. You will find it enlightening regarding your healthcare comments. Lil: Enjoyed your post. Peter: I have nothing but respect for the work you contribute to this website. Don't let the turkeys get to you.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 18:41:50 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.153)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Peter,

Now would seem as good a time as any to do a piece on piracy and its financial impact on the artist. Or maybe something on the sad epidemic of "keyboard courage" that has swept through countless electronic fora is in order ?


Posted on Tue Aug 14 18:21:46 CEST 2001 from spider-wo052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.42)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

With the help of someone who was nice enough to send me the link, I read the piece about Garth. So, he's losing part of his holdings, not really a big deal or great shame. Interesting to ponder though; the same people who wanted it out of the guest book cackle with delight at Ken Starr, whose Orwellian antics don't much jibe with any sane person's idea of "privacy." This makes more sense than it seems to at first glance: the knucklehead politics of your average Journey Fan no doubt makes debilating long term illness, like the Hudson's are going through, much harder on all Americans. If I was the kind of nimrod who killed the Clinton's attempts to reform health care, I wouldn't want people's problems in the system aired either. "When the light's go ON in the city..." it doesn't mean anyones home.....


Posted on Tue Aug 14 18:17:51 CEST 2001 from to-cf3.sprint-canada.net (204.50.249.133)

Serge

JOHN D. I guess I better not give you a copy of that 1996 Loreley Band concert in Germany that was taped for me from the TV broadcast at that time. Viney won't let me, even though the commercial version is unavailable in North America. Also I don't want to cheat anyone from their livelihood by providing YOU and only YOU one single solitary copy. Sorry old bud.

My comments about Mr.Omniscient's "review" of Garth's CD seem to have gone right over his head. I forgot to point out to him that "Christ" has nothing to do with that CD or its content, and use of foul words are not needed to reinforce his opinions. (Check it out). I am surprised at this fellow who has such scholarly degrees from the British Kollege of English Knowledge of Everything..


Posted on Tue Aug 14 18:15:17 CEST 2001 from spider-te073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.208)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

I have begun the rigorous personal journey to try to categorize Garth's latest CD... So far I have reached a couple of conclusions... It's not really a good basketball sike-up CD... although I was "on" that day... felt like Reggie, yea (Lewis not Miller)... 2nd, Track 1 value is greatly enhanced by a drive through car wash cleansing... I did the 7 cycle... hmm, this is gonna be tough work... lots of possibilities... I think I need a good stick... anyway, the category I like best... Number 3... would be Grammy Winner!!!... but for what?... Best New Artist?... Roots Music?... World Music?... Hmmm... Can Garth get a Juno?...


Posted on Tue Aug 14 17:47:30 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

This will be my last comment that surrounds Garth's current situation.

I only wish that when The Band were in their first incarnation that they had REAL PROPER HANDLERS. I will give you one example. Many of you will remember the duo of Seals and Crofts from the 70's. They became very very close friends from day one. I would stay with Dash in California and they always treated my wife and kids like family. Their manager was Dash's Mother-In-Law. A very kind and brilliant BUSINESS woman who guided their career. Let's cut to the chase. She invested so wisely for them that they never have to work again for the rest of their lives. Dash now has major real estate around Nashville and Jimmy Seals has a coffee farm in Costa Rica.

I feel if The Band had this type of caring representation from 68-76 perhaps we wouldn't see Garth in the trouble he is today. Great musicians don't necessarily make great business people. That's why you have to have great and talent handlers. No more on this from me and God Bless the Hudson’s.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 17:40:42 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp161.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.161)

Diamond Lil

A funny take-off on Dr. Seuss in the NY Post this morning about Bill Clinton's memoirs. The column is titled "Bubba Hears..eh..Who???" and was written by Bruce Kluger and David Slavin. Made me laugh.

"[ I did not see her in that dress
I did not start this tawdry mess
I did not own a cheap cigar
(I do not like this Kenneth Starr)
I asked myself, "am I a sham?"
Myself reponded, "Damn, I am". ]"

Heheh...nothing like good poetry, hm? It does kind of make me hungry for ham and eggs however :-)


Posted on Tue Aug 14 16:36:11 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.163)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Peter,

You certainly owe no one a justification or apology for anything you have written and posted on this site. Your work is insightful and honest. Nine out of ten here recognize you to be a true advocate of The Band and someone who enjoys sharing knowledge and opinion in a decidedly professional and always civil fashion. You have provided some wonderful reading for all of us and I am grateful for the time and energy you dedicate to this cause.

Thank you for your efforts as this site would not be complete without them.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 15:52:50 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-173.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.173)

Peter Viney

Live at Loreley: this has generated quite a bit of feedback to me. I wrote it twice. First version was for the regulars here, who know every tiny detail. Then I scrapped that and rewrote it for a hypothetical reader who knows and loves the Band but has NOT followed every minor move of the last few years. I tried to get a mention of the recent solo stuff for that reason. So Serge, I wasn’t writing because I thought anyone was “dumb,” but because I was assuming that not everyone had had the privilege of owning a video of the TV broadcast for four years. It’s work to get the DVD in North America, and expensive, so I think prior information is worthwhile. On which, I’ll repeat, the region code is 0 (America is Region 1, Europe and Japan are Region 2). ‘0’ is OK worldwide, but it’s also PAL. According to DVD spec, it’s the region code that counts, and it’s ‘translated’ by the player from digital format into PAL, NTSC or SECAM analogue versions. In that case, origination in PAL should simply mean superior quality to NTSC origination. But do check the specs of your own player.

I’m surprised to see Serge offering to do copies of stuff that is officially released. Though I’ll swap tapes of unreleased stuff, I will NOT copy anything that is officially available, because that’s taking bread from the Band’s mouths. And in this example, no, it couldn’t be going to Robbie (except for mechanicals on a few songs). Technically, the DVD is bright and pristine picture quality.

I thought long and hard about mentioning negative aspects, and in the end I did. it’s no point saying something’s brilliant when it isn’t because that detracts from the stuff that IS brilliant (like Garth’s new CD). I think most people know that the 1996 tours were very up and down, and that’s part of the history. This is a major official release, and I’m glad I bought it. The trouble is the cameras aren’t there doing high quality recordings every night, and you have to take what happens when they are.

On “Sea to the North” I loved John’s piece. I added another piece, and I hope that others will add their own pieces too. There’s room for plenty, and the material is worth multiple reviews. It’s sad to see the media circus attaching itself to Garth. A publicist would simply insist that they add everytime “whose latest CD, The Sea to the North, has just been released on Breeze Hill records”.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 15:48:11 CEST 2001 from 1cust248.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.248)

Jeffrey

Did any of you NYC folks get out to see The Tony Furtado Band when he was at Tribeca Blues? Picture a band that has Bela Fleck on banjo,Jaco on bass,Pat Metheney on guitar,Roy Rogers on slide,Omar Hakim on drums.Band connection? World class innovation.The current line-up is Tony on slide and banjo,Gawain Matthews on guitar,Myron Dove (from Santana, Robben Ford, Gatemouth Brown.....) and Aaron Johnston(NYC boy) on drums. Check em out next time thru. Who knows? You might get lucky and see ole Rollie blowin some harp with em!!(Chuckle chuckle!)


Posted on Tue Aug 14 14:38:57 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp63.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.63)

Diamond Lil

Pete: Enjoyed your story about Jonathan Edwards. I too, always thought his tune 'Sunshine' was about Nixon (even though I once sent the 45 to someone and insisted it must've been written about him). Go figure, hm?

I'm listening to "Soulful Strut" here right now (thanks again to the people who directed me on how to find this) and I find it one of those morning tunes that help start the day with a smile. Much like Ben Pike's posts. Ehm..

Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 12:44:08 CEST 2001 from 1cust92.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.92)

HI

Someone just emailed me the song list of the 11 disc basement tapes collection.....but they're only 74 min discs so don't worry, be happy as Meher Baba use to say.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 08:41:43 CEST 2001 from spider-tk021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.181)

jody williams

From: las vegas

I want to thank you for this work into native american music. You have prompted me to find the missing piece in my jigsaw puzzle. I'm also indian who has been socialized into being white and never understanding why I felt so different. There is something to the blood. I'm buying the albums - they do something to me spiritually. I've also been prompted to read more about the prophecy, and will be working my way back home. I'm also a member of NA - and over the last ten years it's changed. When I watched the PBS documentary, I realized that the change is much like what happened when the whites took the land and heritage from the indians - and therein also how I can cope with this ever forward movement in NA to take the spirituality out of the rooms. Thank you for this.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 07:19:25 CEST 2001 from spider-wj082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.57)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

Now, don't everybody say you missed me all at once. I have been unable to find the article on Garth, maybe it was in yesterday's edition, but I gather he's broke. Well, he must have tied up everything in those dang tech stocks. It is kinda sad, because unlike some Band members who took the philosphy of "spend it all" and then turned around and blamed Robertson for being busted, I always hoped Garth used his royalty's wisely. He must have gone through a lot of money over the years, that's fer sure. Beyond that, I hope he didn't get drunk and run through Woodstock naked or molest Paula Poundstone or nothing. But even if he did, what's the big deal? Lest we forget, these guys are getting OLD, and old folks can be hard to handle. They are also great figures in the history of Art, what they do is relevent to our culture and history, so we are allowed to be interested. Hard to explain that to a backstreet boys and Journey fan. Expanded "Basement Tapes", GREAT NEWS! Now, if they take out all the Band songs, so Levon isn't entitiled to any money....who should I be mad at?


Posted on Tue Aug 14 07:04:15 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

From: Rochester, NY (soon to be Berkeley, CA)

John D, as usual, makes a very perceptive point -- the fur has certainly flown in this Guestbook from time to time about the other Band members, but nobody to my recollection has ever had anything but the best to say about Garth Hudson. I don't know the man personally; instead, all I can do is marvel at his talents from afar. Though I will relate this tidbit: Joe LaMay, who did some of the design and artwork for the Sea to the North liner notes, lives here in Rochester and is a friend of my father's. He says that Garth and Maud sent him copies of all the finished album art for his collection, and I got the feeling that this was not something that all of his clients did as a matter of course.

I was somewhat saddened to see the foreclosure story make CNN Headline News yesterday (they didn't air a report; it just appeared silently on the screen in a one-sentence summary), especially since Garth is sure to receive more attention about this matter than about his new album. I just hope that some good will come of it in the end -- perhaps if even a few of the many prominent musicians who hold The Band in high regard learn of his tough situation and hire him for some studio sessions or live dates. With Garth's abilities, it wouldn't exactly be an act of charity.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 06:06:22 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.208.70.129.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.70.129)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

In the midst of this very weird time for fans of Garth and Maud--actually, "fans" is much too soft a term, perhaps "devotees" or something like that--John D. makes a very interesting point: why would people use this guestbook to trash other people?


Posted on Tue Aug 14 04:45:32 CEST 2001 from spider-we042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.37)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Thanks for recent posts sharing lots of emotions... I was getting blue myself and connecting a little too much... and I'm glad Peter calls 'em like he sees 'em... even if the timing of it added to my fixation... earlier today my little boy pulled a magnet off the fridge for me that has the "frustrated" face and spelling on it... and it was cute to hear him try to say "Daddy frustrated" over and over again (Momma always gets the "tired" magnet face... and I think she has about 30 different emotion magnets on that fridge)... he then pulled the "silly" magnet face for himself and threw it at his brother... so yes, silliness is always good medicine... unless of course you have access to good a therapist... and looking at the "Concerts" section I see upcoming sessions on the 14th and 17th... which reminds me right back to the present realization that RIGHT NOW the members from that Germany gig are doing some pretty spectacular music... in their different groups... and together at times... my dream solution to the woes of the bros and the industry... is to see a good 70's band actually breakthrough and re-compete "commercially" with the bigazillionaires currently in fashion... Santana did it but I liked his older stuff better... Dylan has done it... Why not our favorite?... I think the CDs put out by the guys from 1998-on have competed diversity and quality-wise... from "Redboy" and "Sea" to "Big Foot" and "JAM!"... and "Times" to "Jubilation"... not the stuff of defeat and giving up... kinda like the quality films a star gets to make after paying his dues... lot's of spirit... Come on PBS!!!(OK, now I've done my venting)...


Posted on Tue Aug 14 04:19:45 CEST 2001 from (209.32.133.7)

Pete Rivard

From: Hastings, MN

So I'm sitting in the faculty cafeteria just shooting the breeze with a new acquaintance, who's this owlish looking guy in big-framed glasses, works in corporate training. The conversation turns to music, and he says, "I used to room with a guy at Ohio University, he almost made it big, but not quite. Jonathan Edwards."

" 'Sunshine, go away today' Jonathan Edwards? 'Way down in Athens County' Jonathan Edwards?"

"Oh, you have heard of him."

"Shit, I know every tune on his first album and most of his next two. Used to go to the Main Point in Philly once or twice a year to see him. Bill Keith on 5-string banjo and pedal steel, Stu Shulman on bass."

"Hell, you know more about him than I do and I slept in the same dorm room for two years with the guy."

He proceeded to regale me with these early days of J.E. tales, how Edwards would serenade the kitchen ladies preparing the lunch fare, sitting backstage, as it were, or back counter, and singing gospel tunes and country standards for them. Ate a lot of free lunches as a result. Another story of how Edwards mistook the opening bars of the Beverly Hillbillies as an acoustic guitar lead (I know, hard to believe) and spent months in the dorm room painstakingly learning how to flat pick that Scruggs lead on the six-string.

Alright, alright---Edwards/Band link. Bill Keith, Edward's aforementioned sideman, was a member of that Woodstock folk mafia group that cut an album called Mud Acres. Happie and Artie Traum, Maria Muldaur, Jim Rooney. One or both of the Traums have gigged with Rick Danko in NYC.

At one point I asked, "Sunshine, that's about Nixon, right?"

"No, it's about Edward's old man, as controlling and tight-assed and mean a bastard as you'll aver meet. Nixon comes a close second, so a lot of people make that same assumption."

Small world.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 03:45:32 CEST 2001 from 1cust43.tnt3.minneapolis.mn.da.uu.net (63.11.55.43)

lisa

From: england

I went to the Minneapolis gig and I need to get in touch with Pat O'Shea-can anyone give me a hand??


Posted on Tue Aug 14 03:18:42 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-th073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.53)

BILL MACK

From: ROCKY POINT, N.C.
Web page

HI DJ, I'VE ENJOYED THE WEBSITE, AND I REALLY ENJOYED PICKIN WITH YOU AT THE ROCKIN AT THE RYMAN SHOW. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, AND FIND THEM GENE VINCENT PHOTO'S WE TALKED ABOUT IN VEGAS.GOD BLESS SINCERELY, BILL MACK-BLUE CAP


Posted on Tue Aug 14 01:41:30 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp107.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.107)

Diamond Lil

I wasn't going tp say anything more on this subject, but after just reading the very eloquent postings by Mr. Powell and Mr. Donabie, I've decided to share something that will perhaps make some of you feel a bit better.

I spoke with Maud Hudson yesterday,a dear friend of mine, and someone I admire and love alot. She appreciates all the nice words and good wishes from everyone here. What started out as a rather sad conversation, ended up with silliness, laughter, and plans for better things to come.
And so I can tell you without any hesitation, that no matter how the dice roll on this one, Maud and Garth will be ok. Know why? Because they have each other.. and noone can take _that_ away from them. These are 2 very strong and special people, who will take whatever life hands them, and do their very best with it. I'm proud of them, and I know they'll overcome whatever obstacles they find in their way and continue to be the wonderful people they are.

Thanks for listening. Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


Posted on Tue Aug 14 01:02:48 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

As I stated earlier I am deeply saddned that Garth and Maud Hudson are going through difficulties. However Garth is a Celebrity and with that staus comes the media "looking in " and reporting the good and the bad. I don't think anyone would be upset if the media reported how wonderful his CD is and how we should all run out and buy it.

There are those that say what is happening to him is none of our business; yet day after day, month after month, year after year...Levon, Robbie, Richard and Rick have been trashed over and over and over and over again for various reasons in this guestbook. This is just an observation. I think the reason that many of us don't want to go on about Garth is that he appears to be a very sweet, kind and gentle human being. He is however a celebrity and with that comes the good and the bad sadly. I have had many friends who know I am a Band fan, ask me, why is he in trouble? Why is one of the greatest musicians of our times having financial troubles? To many they believe that Garth could be doing numerous sessions......touring with just about anyone; because is just so great. It's a hard question to answer because I do not know the answers. Bottom line......we are all human beings with troubles and we should support people like Garth and Maud during these times. Many times this industry that I am a part of makes me puke!


Posted on Tue Aug 14 00:43:18 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

On an otherwise depressing Monday, I'm trying to find a bright spot. Perhaps I can find a glimmer or two shining through in the music, or beneath the waves washing ashore in that sea to the north.

Within music there is a power that brings brief moments of joy to both the listener and the musician alike. It is wonderous thing that conveys a beauty, an enlightenment, in a flash of insight that the spiritual and scholarly call an epiphany. Those in certain music circles have a more descriptive term -- "hittin' the note", as they aptly say.

The listeners, like an audience of supplicants awaiting atonement, can just sit back as the music washes over them. They are often, for the most part, unaware, or just lose sight of what the musicians go through to produce the music. There are the arduous steps of creation & preparation -- the ordeals of the journeys to & from those points of presentation -- not to mention the long distances & dark nights between being at home with the ones they love.

Then there's that moment when they step on to the stage and have to put the thoughts of all those other things away, in order to concentrate as they play. Different musicians have different ways of achieving the proper frame of mind, but sometimes it's a struggle and they don't always succeed. Some nights it's like trying to pry open that oyster shell of protection built against the cold, hard elements of life, in hopes of finding a few pearls of beauty. Then there are those times when the music justs flows from within like magic, as if it were quicksilver in the hands of an alchemist. More often than not, the performance of music produces both, elements of struggle interrupted by brief moments of brilliance that seem to transcend above it all. At times like these, the listener must struggle along with the musician to keep up. In the end, the mutual hard work will reap rewards, if only fleeting, but worth it just the same.

Try and think about these things the next time you sit down to listen to and/or watch a performance. Remember that, more often than not, the hard work far exceeds the financial rewards for most musicians. Before the crowd they are alone onstage, and, for most, it's a labour of love.

Think about that blind musician, named Willie Samuel McTell. Long forgotten by the recording industry, his health failing, and unable to travel long distances -- he ended up playing for tips. Without even a stage, he sat outside the Pig n' Whistle barbecue joint and the Blue Lantern Lounge in Atlanta, singing in that otherworldly voice backed by that 12-string choir of strings. Occasionally a kindly listener would invite him to play at a private party. Once a local record store owner, when informed by a customer, was astonished to find the legendary bluesman playing in such circumstances. He pursuaded the rather reluctant Blind Willie to record a few sessions once again, only to let the tapes fall into neglect. As his widow, Kate, recalled, two decades after his death, Blind Willie McTell quit singing the blues around 1957 and spent the last two years of his life preaching & singing only spirituals.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 22:43:37 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

The Loreley DVD sounds depressing; maybe not the way I want to remeber the Band. I saw them in DC in October '96 at a street fest. I thought they were great but then again just seeing them live was enough to make me happy. Ironically and prophetically, they were booted off stage only halfay through their set because the Chi-Lites were scheduled to come on and wouldn't wait. Damn it that was the last time I ever saw them! OTHER SUBJECT: My Civil War calendar has a tidbit about Mary Todd Lincoln being the sister in law of Confederate General Benjamin H. Helm, who was killed at Chickamauga. Wonder if there is any relation?


Posted on Mon Aug 13 21:28:07 CEST 2001 from m198214187083.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.187.83)

Pehr

American Heritage can use my d____ for a walkin' pole!


Posted on Mon Aug 13 21:25:20 CEST 2001 from 1cust124.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.112.124)

HI

I didn't know Peter assumed we're all dumb as Serge said. I still think his article on the What's New page of this Site is excellent.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 21:02:58 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

From: CT

I am a little confused about this Garth article. I saw no link to it, but gather from other posts that it concerned Garth's financial situation which is none of our business. However, I hardly consider Garth to be a struggling musician. He is a legend and a "Hall Of Famer", and he will always be in demand for his extraordinary talents.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 20:59:41 CEST 2001 from to-cf3.sprint-canada.net (204.50.249.133)

Serge

JOHN D. Don't sweat it. I've had a copy of that Loreley concert in Germany for 4 years now. I'll lay a copy of it on you this weekend. Good quality picture and sound. You can judge for yourself without Viney telling you what you are looking at. Also, I guess he still assumes we're all dumb, and your review of Garth's CD was just not good enough.

Ok MattK, butt in and let's hear your two cents' worth.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 20:38:13 CEST 2001 from 1cust80.tnt9.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.10.13.80)

HI

Excellent review by Peter Viney of the recently discussed DVD release. Kudos to Peter for it....oops it's on the "What's New" section of this Site.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 17:33:31 CEST 2001 from atpm3-6-32.enter.net (208.137.244.42)

Peter

From: Between Wind and Water, PA (USA)

Has anyone else had trouble logging on to Breeze Hill lately?


Posted on Mon Aug 13 15:09:59 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

Just looked up where to buy "Band-Live at Loreley" and it's only available at Amazon.com England. That means you can only play the DVD in Great-Britain, Europe, Japan and the Middle-East according to what it says on the site. Hope it gets a North American release. There is a DVD machine they now sell over here that plays all world formats; but it's pretty pricey.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 14:05:45 CEST 2001 from (164.36.141.76)

Glenn

From: Burnham on Crouch; UK

Pegg/Dylan/Tull Just to tie up a couple of loose ends: The UK Band that Peter Viney refered to is called "The Dylan Project". They have two albums out on Dave Pegg's Woodworm Label (visit the label site for details, I guess). They played a storming set at the Cropredy festival last Thursday and are touring the UK during October.

Regarding Tull: Mr Anderson guested with Fairport Convention at the festival on Saturday night and his segment concluded with a blistering "Locomtive Breath" Finally as a long time (28 years) band fan could I just say that this site is truly wonderful


Posted on Mon Aug 13 12:07:53 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp52.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.52)

Diamond Lil

Hey Jan... can you do something about the echo in here? :-)


Posted on Mon Aug 13 11:39:34 CEST 2001 from spider-wo071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.51)

kat

Thalia: A “Fantabulous” club for The Band? This is it! The ultimate place to find out anything you ever wanted to know about The Band..and then some. A nicer group of people would be hard to find anywhere else on the internet. And the best thing about this site is, although it's maintained by a reliable yet restless guy from Norg, it's more or less a 'community effort'. So welcome!

Have a good morning everyone.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 10:42:42 CEST 2001 from du39-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.39)

Ilkka

Web page

Thalia: A _FUN_ club for The Band? This is it! The ultimate place to find out anything you ever wanted to know about The Band..and then some. A nicer group of people would be hard to find anywhere else on the internet. And the best thing about this site is, although it's maintained by a lazy yet aggressive guy from (almost) Norway, it's more or less a 'community effort'. So welcome! (Click web page!)

Have a good afternoon nap everyone.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 03:51:00 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp202.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.202)

Diamond Lil

Thalia: A fan club for The Band? This is it! The ultimate place to find out anything you ever wanted to know about The Band..and then some. A nicer group of people would be hard to find anywhere else on the internet. And the best thing about this site is, although it's maintained by an overworked yet affable guy from Norway, it's more or less a 'community effort'. So welcome!

Have a good night everyone.


Posted on Mon Aug 13 01:43:32 CEST 2001 from spider-wo082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.57)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

American Heritage is a middle-of -the-road history magazine. It is pretty interesting and not really political. It will have articles on World War Two, movies, music, food, style, personalities, etc. from the founding of the U.S. to the present, the only thread being, again, on the past and nostalgia. Again, it is pretty harmless and informative. Kind of a cross between National Geoprahic and People.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 22:20:54 CEST 2001 from 1cust245.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.245)

HI

What is American Heritage Magazine? Sounds like backlash to all the recent adulation...of course it doesn't really matter what's printed on that level either way...it's just bullshit IMHO.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 21:29:55 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.214.82.24.dial1.boston1.level3.net (63.214.82.24)

Thalia C.S.

From: MA

Does anyone know of a fan club for The Band?


Posted on Sun Aug 12 19:02:38 CEST 2001 from (24.159.102.250)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell, Ga

Mr. Crabby, your email is not working, I tried 5 times


Posted on Sun Aug 12 17:57:11 CEST 2001 from spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.54)

Josh

From: Georgia
Web page

The Band rules. Levon Helm is a great musicain and always has been. i luv the guy. "Up on Cripple Creek" very good song to me. absolutely luv it.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 17:22:35 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ta072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.52)

Brien Sz

From: nj

Was the Url taken off? I wanted to read that article.

American Heritage Magazine just did an Overrated/Underrated issue. Bob Dylan went in the overrated category:

"He's written some great songs,sure, and in his youth he took a contagious dry pleasure in vandels-took-the-handels nonsense. But as bard and exemplar he got awfully stuffy, didn't he? Doesn't seem to have much taste for getting out and making music with his friends for the folks, so his mystique is too big for his entertainment value. As for social consciousness, that goes only so far when you're opaque and antisocial. Unlike say, Muhammad Ali, he's a casualty of sixties self-importance."


Posted on Sun Aug 12 15:35:03 CEST 2001 from spider-tf043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.193)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

I like most people have a modest company retirement account that I can contribute to as well. I think actors and pro athletes have some form of program as well. You would think musicians would develop one themselves for performers and road personnel. Perhaps some of the Mega wealthy like Barbara Streisand (thrown in for you Democrats :) )David Bowie, Paul McCartney and Billie Joel would provide seed money and create a credit union to accept retirement contributions and provide loans to those in their industry. They could have criteria for eligibility etc. Maybe they do already but I can't imagine traveling musicians think much of their later years during the good years, and you know there is no 'company' pension. So it sounds like a tough life like professional sports; a few climb to the top but most do no better and even worse than the general public financially.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 13:05:37 CEST 2001 from 1cust145.tnt8.tco2.da.uu.net (63.21.93.145)

Bonnie

From: virginia

Last night I saw Lavon Helm performing with the Rolling Fork Review.Judging by audience response to the introduction of the musicians and crowd reaction throughout the evening many or even most of the crowd came to see Levon. They were not disapointed.

Although I did not know what to expect from the band I was not disappointed. I certainly picked a winner. Not only did they play a great Chicago blues but the can rock and roll with the best.Apparently the evening was enjoyed by all.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 11:45:21 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

The following is just my own fantasy......

The phone rings at the Hudson home and it's Garth's old friend, Don Tyson of Tyson Chicken...."The Chicken King." A multi-multi- millioniare. A man who has been a good friend and an enormous fan of The Band since they were Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks. A man who was able to call them out and have them all fly into Arkansas to play for private parties.

I don't expect Mr. Tyson or anyone else to do the following....this is just my fantasy.

The call would go something like this..."Garth...Don Tyson. I understand you've fallen on a few hard times. Just wanted to let you know that I've instructed my lawyers to draw up a check this morning to take care of everthing. By the way, you don't have to pay me back. You've done that for over 40 years with your music. I wish you and Maud the best and maybe you'll fly out to Arkansas one day and play Happy Birthday on the piano for me next time my birthday rolls around. Have a good day Garth."

I want to reiterate I would never expect anyone no matter how wealthy they are to do the above. People should not be expected to make acts such as this unless they care to do so. As I stated at the beginning of this post....this is just my fantasy. I chose Mr. Tyson because of his releationship with the boys and I'm told that for someone with his financial strength that he is a very kind and caring human being who has helped out a few over the years. Something we will never read about; because he is not that kind of man. God Bless Garth and Maud.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 06:40:50 CEST 2001 from 1cust51.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.57.51)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

It becomes painfully obvious that at least one and possibly more of the original Band members have not reaped any great windfall from the recently issued re-masters.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 04:33:11 CEST 2001 from imsbbcf07a.netvigator.com (203.198.2.7)

Chris Far East

From: hong kong

Re the Bouree from Stand Up, its actually a dance movement from Bach's Lute Suite No.1 in Eminor. This was one of the first Bach pieces I played when I studied Classical Guitar. My teacher used to berate me because I played in the Tull rhythm rather than the Bach way. Tull slighty altered the crotchet two quaver rhythm to "swing it" a bit more. My older brother had Stand Up which was a decent album. I was less enamoured of the latter stuff: taking themselves too seriously perhaps. I have never been a fan of flute period. Mozart and Beethoven both were not to keen on it. Whenever I here it in contemporary music, Van Morrison for example, it sounds out of tune. Maybe it's just me.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 02:52:11 CEST 2001 from 1cust61.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.61)

HI

My own reaction to the Freeman article was that it was tastless.Routinely around here Slum Lords, bar owners and some politicians don't pay property taxes for years because financially it's advantageous not to until the 11th hour. They don't get a front page article quoting lawyers of the one threatening foreclosure...Let's hope it's not as bad as it sounds...He's had the place 30 years. Kept it when they were in the Malibu area for years..Don't know the real story and it's really nobody's business.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 02:39:55 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tf014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.24)

jcf

From: new york

I just listened to Astral Weeks for the first time on Thursday. It took me a while to enjoy it but now I am happy I picked it up. Richard Davis is superb. I realize that the album should be listened to in its entirety from begining to end, howver Cyprus Avenue is my favorite track. A great album that is very difficult ot classify or label.

I have also been reading the book Blue: The Murder of jazz by Eric Nineson. Like his book on John Coltarne it is very difficult to put down. Those whoe are into jazz probably know that it is a contervorsial book, and in the midst of the jazz wars. Anyone with comments or thoughts on the jazz wars?


Posted on Sun Aug 12 02:31:29 CEST 2001 from spider-tp013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.178)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

RE: Jerry Garcia thread. I would love to hear his version of Dylan's 'Senor' I think this is a haunting, beautifully produced song that has to be one of the most underated songs Dylan has ever done.


Posted on Sun Aug 12 00:58:05 CEST 2001 from spider-tp043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.193)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

If I had the money to give Garth I would certainly do it. Guys, there is NO SHAME in what Garth is going through. it happens or can happen to anyone, and we certainly do not know all the details. perhaps disclosure, as rude as it may be, may ease the stress on Garth. Perhaps the property came with certain covenants or liens etc. which contributed to this. Certainly, were Robbie going to help he would have done so in the ten years or so this has been going on. There is definately something more than what meets the eye on this issue. Usually, the law only allows TWO bankruptcies in a lifetime. The article states THREE. Perhaps they were filed under a different chapter code. Perhaps Garth has a special purpose to protecting this land we are unaware of. 30 acres? You would think he would sell part to protect the rest. There is definately more here than meets the eye. Maybe some fool tripped on his land and got a corrupt lawyer to sue him. Maybe Garth took out loans to help out a friend, or has medical bills to cover. I really wish him and Maude all the best. And yes, lets buy his album and shirts. I sure hope he doesn't 'tour' himself to death. Instead of writing Robbie, let's right other musicians and keyboardists he has influenced. Maybe I am naive, but perhaps things in Frank Capra's It's a Wonderful Life do happen.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 21:55:07 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-009.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.9)

Peter Viney

Without wanting to start a discussion, a thread, anything – Lil is so right that Garth’s privacy should be totally respected in this. No question. But I don’t blame Dennis for the link, because it had already entered the public domain. For a start, buying “Sea to the North” is not an act of ‘charity’ – it’s a wise move for ANYONE who’s interested in the history of this band and its members. It’s an astonishing album of sheer genius. Don’t buy it to help out, just buy it because it’s an essential album to have and to listen to. That’s the way its writer would want it, and that’s the way it should be. You won’t regret it – get on to Breeze Hill records right away. I suspect that our purchases will be but a tiny drop in the ocean , and it’s weird to see the remasters displayed in every store and realize that this makes not a shred of difference.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 21:34:09 CEST 2001 from spider-ti081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.211)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

I just learned that Garth does NOT have a place in Cal. Let that be a lesson to me not to beleive everything I read.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 20:51:35 CEST 2001 from spider-wo011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.21)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY..still raining.Dammit!

Martin Barre plays quite a bit of flute and recorder on the Jethro Tull albums.He does the counter melody in "Bouree" from Stand Up.Great song.Ian started playing this rocked-up version of a Bach(? or Moxart..I forget?) tune when a neighbor in his apartment building would practice it on their cello(I think).He just picked it up on the flute, arranged it to rock'n'roll, and VIOLA!!!!


Posted on Sat Aug 11 19:45:53 CEST 2001 from spider-te031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.186)

Bayou Sam

From: the best seat in the house

I just read Bob Wigo's post and had to comment. It's great to see the mention of Levon's terrific drumming on "Dixie". I happen to be a drummer myself and have had countless "discussions" with people about why players like Levon, Ringo, Charlie, etc, ARE great drummers. I always use Neil Pert as an example. Pert is a wonderful technical drummer. He has terrific precision timing and everything is thought out and written. But to me, it's all about "feeling". Neil could never pull off Dixie with the same feeling as Levon if he had a gun to his head. That's not a slam at Neil - these guys are just different types of drummers. I too, always marvel at Levon's drumming in Dixie. His singing and drumming are so interwoven into the whole meaning of the song that it's a joy to listen too. He puts great accents in ceretain places, and he does snare rolls that just paint a picture of soldiers marching across a field. I've also always loved that hi-hat/bass drum "punch" that he does right before he sings the words, "like my father before me...."


Posted on Sat Aug 11 19:23:37 CEST 2001 from spider-te031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.186)

Bayou Sam

From: Long Island, N.Y.

How about those of us who haven't bought Sea To The North yet (like me and KL John) go and buy it. We're planning to get it anyway.

I see a huge split about to happen in here. I can understand Lil's pain - but Garth is a public figure and this new story is now part of Band history - just like the feud.

I happen to be a father of four trying to survive in one of (if not THE), place with the highest cost of living in the U.S. - The thing that caught my eye in that article was that Garth could not be reached for comment at his CALIFORNIA house. Anyone who has a nice house on each coast is not exactly going to be living in a cardboard box if he loses one.

I can't help thinking that all these years later, Garth's parents really were right to worry.

I wish Garth all the luck in the world. I will buy his music and pay to see him play anytime. I suggest fans buy his shirts. I have the long sleeve one and it's great.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 18:54:28 CEST 2001 from spider-tf034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.189)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

I know the subject of the newspaper article that Dennis posted is painful but, truth be told, there are no secrets anymore. I have corresponded with Dennis on many occasions and believe him to be a good person and a true fan of The Band. It is sad news but it is also a reality that must be dealt with. That story was coming our way via this forum or one of countless others spawned on the Internet. I wish the Hudsons the very best of luck in working through these difficulties. I do agree with Lil's plea to let it be. There really is nothing that can be said here to change the circumstances and we owe at least that much to someone who has provided each of us with so much beautiful music and countless magical memories.

Shifting gears......

This morning I rediscovered a double disc set I have owned for some time,"The Jerry Garcia Band" on Arista from 1990. It is positively wonderful and should be of interest to any Band fan. Among other terrific tunes it includes the Temptations' hit (written by Smokey Robinson) "The Way You Do The Things You Do", Bruce Cockburn's "Waiting For A Miracle", Allen Toussaint's "Get Out Of My Life", The Beatles' "Dear Prudence", Peter Tosh's "Stop That Train", Bob Dylan's "Simple Twist of Fate", "I Shall Be Released" (magnificent!!), "Senor(Tales of Yankee Power)" and "Tangled Up In Blue" and a powerful rendition of The Band's "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down".

Every time I hear "Dixie" I am amazed at how integral Levon's drumming is to that song. Obviously it was written for that incredible voice but what his drums bring to the distinctive atmosphere of the song is something very special. JGB drummer David Kemper does a really nice job with it on this recording and clearly cites Levon throughout.

Garcia's guitar work is brilliant as always, his band is right on the mark, and his readings of these great tunes are just plain marvelous. If you get the opportunity check this one out.

Now is as good a time as any to go to the BreezeHill site and order TWO copies of Garth's latest work. Give one to an unsuspecting friend !!!


Posted on Sat Aug 11 18:12:43 CEST 2001 from 05-016.001.popsite.net (64.24.54.16)

Chris

From: Chicago

Hey Folks

Just got back from a great vacation in Montana. Was catching up on the guestbook. I am a little shocked to read the first several posts, and the article on Garth's hard time. Foreclosure seems to be drastic. Does anyone here know of a lawyer/band fan who could do some pro bono work for Honeyboy?


Posted on Sat Aug 11 18:08:20 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp63.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.63)

Diamond Lil

Apologies to Dennis for the beginning of my last post. I did not mean to imply that he had any bad intentions at all. There is just some information that should not be made public in a forum such as this. I understand all about the press and how they tend to prey on misfortune, and I can only hope that the folks here care enough to respect the issues of privacy and dignity.

That's all I have to say about this. Have a good day.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 18:06:53 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp63.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.63)

Diamond Lil

Apologies to Dennis for the beginning of my last post. I did not mean to imply that he had any bad intentions at all. There is just some information that should not be made public in a forum such as this. I understand all about the press and how they tend to prey on misfortune, and I can only hope that the folks here care enough to respect the issues of privacy and dignity.

Thay's all I have to say about this. Sorry again Dennis. Have a good day.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 17:55:14 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.182)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa
Web page

To Lil, John, Dennis, and ALL GB participants: I'm not upset that Dennis made us aware of Garth's financial woes. Now that I'm aware of them, I'd like to do something to help Garth in his time of need. For one thing , I'm writing to Robbie to make sure he is aware of this situation. He is certainly in a position to keep the wolves at bay.

May I suggest starting a fund for Garth ? Anyone interested please E/mail me.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 17:49:10 CEST 2001 from spider-wa032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.32)

Donna

From: PA

I been sitting here debating whether I should read that article, unfortunately curiosity got the best of me. All I will say is, my heart is saddened because I will never understand why bad things happen to good people. Garth and Maud, you are loved by so many, and we wish you both the very best!

David Powell: Thank you for answering my question with such informative articulation and eloquence, in regards to my Blind Willie McTell question.

Wishing everyone a Great Weekend!


Posted on Sat Aug 11 17:07:32 CEST 2001 from as6-d88-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.188.88)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

PS: Lil, please don't be mad at me!! I hardly ever disagree with you here!!! :)



Posted on Sat Aug 11 17:05:07 CEST 2001 from as6-d88-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.188.88)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Now, Lil, I agree that THE ARTICLE itself was in poor taste, but I don't think Dennis had any ill-intentions by posting the link here.

Yes, the media are scumbags and they like it when good people are facing hard times. They like to exploit "dirty laundry" (even if it isn't even really that dirty).

On the other hand, I had no idea that Garth was in dire financial straights, and it is of course none of our business, except this: as fans we can help at least a little when we know something like this is going on.

For example, I have not yet bought "Sea To The North", I've been putting it off. Now, I'm going to buy it.

So, Lil, I agree and understand your frustration and anger about THE ARTICLE, but I think Dennis was bringing it to our attention with the best of intentions.

As to starting a thread on the subject, that's not what I'm trying to do here either and will speak no more of it. And I don't think Dennis really expected a long drawn-out discussion either.

Thanx


Posted on Sat Aug 11 15:24:26 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp210.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.210)

Lil

Dennis: Was just turning the computer off when I saw your post. Posting the link to that article was in very poor taste. I understand that since it was in the newspaper, it's now semi-public knowledge, but the thought of it becoming a topic of discussion in this forum is difficult. Noone has to listen to me here, but I'd appreciate it if you did. _Please_ don't let this personal issue become a new thread of discussion. Garth and Maud deserve better than that. Wish them well.. and let them be. Thanks.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 15:05:21 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp210.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.210)

Lil Again

JT Fan: Funny, but I think Big Pink looks the same today as it did all those years ago. It amazes me still that after all these years, noone's ever painted it. I just took a friend there a few weeks ago, and the new owner was outside when we pulled up. My friend didn't want to get out of the car at first, so I did and said to the guy " I bet you're used to this". He smiled and nodded. Nice guy. And btw.. I _love_ the bed and breakfast idea. If the house ever goes up for sale again, I hope someone grabs it and does just that.

Time for me to go find something constructive to do here I suppose. It feels too good just sitting by the open window this morning and enjoying the cool air.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 15:00:48 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-172-134.hvc.rr.com (24.164.172.134)

Dennis

From: West Saugerties, NY

Very sad Band news in this morning's Kingston, NY Daily Freeman.
Dennis


Posted on Sat Aug 11 14:25:34 CEST 2001 from spider-wm032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.162)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

Pat: You win! Your prize is one of Ian's old codpieces. (Just kidding! Yuck!)When Reason's for Waiting was played live 2-3 years ago, Ian pulled out his acoustic guitar and Martin came out with his own flute, which really surprised me, but it sounded really close to the album version. When I pulled out the Stand -Up album later, lo and behold Martin is credited for flute as well! Barre also plays flute on his two solo albums with similar style. PETER: If necessary, a specialty video store or service (the ones that also copy 8 and 16mm to tape) can convert from one t.v. standard to U.S. and vice versa. So if a tape is limited release and desirable, I recommend people in the U.S. buy it anyway, and for a few extra bucks make a converted copy. It is better than nothing. Can't wait to see your review. This is something I must order. Welcome back Lil: Any chance of stopping by Big Pink and snapping a photo for us? Would love to see it as it is now. Heard it was for sale for 160K about 5 years ago. Would make a great Bed & Breakfast concept for music fans!QUESTION GUYS: Anybody ever order the lithographs or prints from this site? My wife and I are building a house and I was thinking they would look great in my 'music' room. Well, off to the annual company picnic. It will be barbecue, horshoes, and the 'how much beer can you drink and still have a job on Monday' game!


Posted on Sat Aug 11 14:04:01 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp189.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.189)

Diamond Lil

Aah...sitting here this morning and feeling something I haven't felt in a long time... a cool breeze. Hope everyone out there survived the blazing heatwave with as little problems as possible.

Am hoping to get to Bearsville for the 24th. My mind is not entirely made up yet as to whether or not i'll be there, but I'm hoping it'll work out that way. Hope to see some of you there if it does.

And on a personal note to the guestbook gremlin: WAKE UP!!! My computer is smoking and wheezing here :-)

Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 12:51:24 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-115.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.115)

Peter Viney

I’m sitting here holding a new official release by The Band in my hand. I mentioned it about ten days ago when I ordered it, but wasn’t sure that it would turn up, as a video had been rumoured a year or so back. Here it is. LIVE AT LORELEY, on DVD. It turns out to be a “Made in England” release, not a German one as I’d guessed, and it’s a “Region 0” coded DVD – i.e. no regional restriction (BUT read technical note below before you buy). It’s from Sanctuary Records (www.sanctuaryrecordsgroup.co.uk) who I hadn’t heard of. It turns out that they have aquired Castle and Essential and Pinnacle, the same label as Jericho and High on the Hog and The authorized Video Biography. It looks as if you can orderc directly from them. My copy came mail order from CDX in Cardiff and cost £16.99 (www.cdx.co.uk or telephone +44 29 20 843604 weekdays, 5 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time). CDX catalog no: SDE3006/PIN

It contains the complete German concert of 23rd June 1996 – 15 tracks in the same order as the circulating collectors’ tape (in 5.1 sound), plus interviews with Levon and Rick. The only “new” track (in an officially released version by The Band) is “Deep Feeling”, but there are live versions of ‘Back to Memphis’, ‘Stand Up’ and ‘Free Your Mind’ as well as the usual suspects. I’ll send all the info to Jan in detail for the site- I haven’t played it yet, but I will this afternoon. It’s crept out pretty quietly all in all, I just spotted it while reading the closely-typed list in CDX’s latest newsletter. I find it odd that the info hadn’t come onto this site at all from any Band source. It leads you to think, do they even know?

TECHNICAL NOTES (READ BEFORE YOU BUY, TECHNOPHOBES SCROLL BY): I’d warn that the DVD is PAL (European system), but I don’t know what effect that has on DVD players. I guess it might depend on the TV monitor as much as the DVD player. From what I believe, the “spec” for DVD players allows them to output into PAL, SECAM or NTSC. For example, Japan shares its region coding with Europe, Region 2, but Japan uses NTSC, and Europe uses either PAL or the French SECAM system. I have had no problem with Japanese (NTSC) or French (SECAM) region 2 / uncoded discs, but European players might be designed to cope with this. You should check with an expert before ordering. Can anyone here advise?


Posted on Sat Aug 11 08:11:53 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.174)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

John d. = I meant cold air from much further north than Toronto. I wasn't trying to stereotype Canada. I've been there many times and loved it.

Brien = How can you fault Imus' intentions with his ranch? I guess the stuff he sells dosen't bother me because of the good causes he puts ALOT of his money into. Imus is an original, he paved the way for alot of these "shock" assholes that are on the radio today - except Imus never went as far. Alot of his stuff is a put on. He also has a great team around him. I love the way they bounce off each other.

Today, Scott Muni, a sort of FM radio legend in the NYC area, played what he called a perfect album side. This was a great throwback to the past. The CD's have taken away the "album side". The side he played was side one of Rubber Soul. That IS one great album side.

BwnwiTenn - you're funny.

rollie - you're funny too. A little strange - but funny.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 07:11:39 CEST 2001 from dialup-166.90.85.224.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.85.224)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Aha! Martin Barre. Very interesting.

Raves coming in on the latest wave of Basement Tapes boots. Seems Columbia has obtained close to pristine copies of a huge segment of the library. Many comments on the sonic quality. No word on an official release but we should hear soon. Hopefully.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 07:04:15 CEST 2001 from dialup-166.90.85.224.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.85.224)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

And, Phil, you made me laugh. Rest in peace hereafter.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 06:40:13 CEST 2001 from lsanca1-ar21-4-43-218-253.vz.dsl.gtei.net (4.43.218.253)

Dan Blood

Been playing Music From Big Pink alot since the newly remastered cd arrived last week. This was always the hardest Band record for me to get into, possibly because I only discovered the Band in the early 70's with Stage Fright and The Brown album, which I purchased during the same trip to the record store back then. A little later side 4 of Rock of Ages was my favorite 35 minutes of music, bar none. So every time I put Big Pink on it seemed to lack the intensity and power of rock n roll. All that has changed. I can now clearly hear Levon's drumming on Tears of Rage and To Kingdom Come. It's best described to me as rich and three dimensional. That heavy bass drum is so present and physical and his transitions are expressive like he's actually talking. The drumming makes both these songs great. Especially when Robbie takes the lead vocal, Levon holds it together.

Rick's bass playing on Chest Fever is incredible. What unique riffs! Masterful!

I can imagine the guys feeling "where do we go from here?" when Big Pink was done. How they ever ended up in Sammy Davis' home in Hollywood is beyond me (I know the story, but the atmospheric contrast ... ????)


Posted on Sat Aug 11 05:43:48 CEST 2001 from spider-ta074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.79)

JTULL fan

From: Richmond

Guess I need to ask harder questions: I almost majored in Russian history before going for 19th century American history. Koba was Stalin's underground revolutionary name. I thought sneaky, conniving, untrusting and staring were terms applicable to both Stalin and a cat, so Koba is my cat's name! Of course, he is much more welcome at the foot of my bed than Stalin ever would be. Pat: David Palmer is a great guess but not the right answer.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 04:59:11 CEST 2001 from dialup-166.90.85.224.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.85.224)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Didn't someone named Palmer do the orchestral arrangement on Reasons For Waiting? Perhaps he played the flute too. The flute tones were decidedly different from Ian's.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 04:44:11 CEST 2001 from imsbbcache06.netvigator.com (203.198.23.29)

Chris Far East

From: Hong Kong

Hey JTULL I got it! Koba was Joseph Stalin's nick name as a child. I think in this guise he was portrayed as some sort of sage like youth in children's books in the former USSR. I did a Masters thesis on Shostakovich so I know this area reasonably well.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 02:55:53 CEST 2001 from cw03.m1.srv.t-online.de (212.185.252.195)

Mingus

From: Nazareth

To Brown Eyed Girl / Bashful Bill/ Hi / Knockin Lost John/ Brien SZ and Bill Sharpless: Thank you very much for all your detailed information. If I put them all together, I am quite sure to have the tv-show recording with the Wallflowers. I watch out now for the "Red, hot and extra"-recording. Thank you all ! This guestbook is really a fantastic, communicative place to find out about wonderful music. May this guestbook stay..... Forever Young !


Posted on Sat Aug 11 02:32:06 CEST 2001 from spider-ta044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.64)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

Yikes! I forgot who's birthday is today! Great posts tonight. I would love to hear a boot of Teacher live; I think 73 may have been the last time it was played. Tull tends to avoid their hits live. Reason's for Waiting (which was played live at a recent show)is a great song. TRIVIA QUESTION: who plays flute on it? It wasn't Ian! And if you listen, you will notice the stylistic difference too. Peter: Thanks for the Pegg info. Can't wait to here it. TOMMY: Tull is in the states but it is only an afterthought after this years European tour. They plan to tour intensively in the U.S. next year in support of a new album and create a DVD (Ian is also trying to reunite the ORIGINAL lineup for a show)Ian went hoarse in the late 70's, and developed a severe throat ailment causing them to cancel a tour in '84 and not play a real tour for 3 years. His voice never totally recovered, but it is no worse than Dylan. POLITICALLY: The Federalists were cool. They gave us Washington, Adams (John) Hamilton, and John Marshall (Jefferson's cousin). More trivia: My cat is named 'Koba'. Who is he named for?


Posted on Sat Aug 11 02:10:07 CEST 2001 from steveoc.demon.co.uk (212.228.204.200)

bowl

Bob Dylan is beautiful.


Posted on Sat Aug 11 01:02:14 CEST 2001 from (198.23.26.253)

Live "Band" Recordings to Trade

From: NJ
Web page

New shows added all the time. Just added 2 new shows recently....stop by and take a look. This is material most have never heard!!!! I trade and burn for anyone who asks nicely.....RV


Posted on Sat Aug 11 00:13:03 CEST 2001 from spider-wc073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.53)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa
Web page

Just secured my tix to the "Rolling Fork Review" for Sun. 8/12 in Wheeling, WV featuring Levon Helm, Bob Margolin, Hubert Sumlin, Carey Bell and David Maxwell. Somehow, I managed to score 3rd row center section seats. Is anyone else out there in GB land planning to attend???? If so let me know and we'll hook-up. It should be a great day for the blues.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 23:41:42 CEST 2001 from 1cust178.tnt8.tco2.da.uu.net (63.21.93.178)

Bonnie

From: virginia

Speaking of radio programs, I would like to recommend a program called Anerican Routes from Public radio out of New Orleans. It is carried on Public Radio Internation. I get it on WAMU- American University out of Washington, DC.

The program spans the American music scene airing programs on anything from blues, roots rock, jazz,and gospel to soul.Not only does it feature the music but also interviews with the musicans, fans and other knowlable folk. For example the program is where I first met the Greatful Dead. On the fifth aniversary of the death of Jerry Garcia the program aired a three hour special. It not only covered the group but those that influenced the Dead and those whom the Dead influenced. Last week the show covered the Austin music scene of the 70's and this week it will feature Emmy Lou Harris and Yo La Tango, a New Jersey based band ./n I sent off an email suggesting that the advent of the Garth Hudson Album was the perfect time to re-introduce the nation to The Band.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 23:30:40 CEST 2001 from mail.mnvision.com (12.27.41.10)

Mark Gargus

From: Ohio

"Ill Gotten Booty" is my favorite CD of all time. It really rocks the boat man! So cooooooool!


Posted on Fri Aug 10 23:16:54 CEST 2001 from spider-tf011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.176)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY...very rainy!

I saw Tull last summer at the Beacon Theatre.I was really suprised with Ian Anderson's energy, and the band was top notch!His voice isn't like it used to be (due to some unexplained throat anamoly), but the band still laid down the rock'n'roll!

Tull is also playing on August 28 across the Verrazanno Bridge in Staten Island ,NY.I was planning to go, but unfortunately, I'll be in Las Vegas that week (Not that that's a BAD thing...)


Posted on Fri Aug 10 22:49:07 CEST 2001 from dialin-1229-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.5.213)

Gene

David Powell - Thanks

Bumbles - Thanks


Posted on Fri Aug 10 22:37:40 CEST 2001 from (151.198.114.195)

Bumbles

From: Les Champs Elysées

BOBBY CHARLES: The titles listed on the Stony Plain Web site are all worth having, and it goes without saying the Bearsville record is essential for even occasional visitors to the GB, but they all (even the Bearsville) were recorded long after BC had established himself as a master songwriter and recorded most of his best known songs (and others) himself. Two fairly recent reissues of vintage material give a better idea of how he acquired the reputation he had long before he hit Woodstock. “Later Alligator,” on the “gray area” Black Tulip label starts at the beginning, collecting mid-to-late-50s Chess sides, including Charles’ own take on “See You Later, Alligator,” which, like almost everything on this set, he wrote. The British import “Walking to New Orleans” (Westside), comprising mid-60s singles recorded for Shreveport’s Jewel and Paula labels, mixes in some covers (Hank Williams and “You Always Hurt the One You Love”!), but the highlights are more terrific originals, including the title track (earlier a hit for Fats Domino) and the original recording of “The Jealous Kind,” best known in Delbert McClinton’s late-70s version. Another view of BC as a “great, great songwriter,” and one with obvious Band appeal, is “Ain’t Got No Home,” MCA’s Clarence ‘Frogman’ Henry best-of. Although Frogman wrote the title track, a number of the others are Charles originals, including the even bigger hit “But I Do” and the classic South Louisiana slow-dance grinders “On Bended Knees” and ”Your Picture.”

According to Colin Escott’s “Tattooed on their Tongues,” which has a brief Bobby Charles chapter, the Band were rehearsing “But I Do” for the shows that yielded “Rock of Ages,” but BC, embroiled in a feud of his own at the time with his music publisher, asked them to omit it.

GENE: “Seven Year Itch” may well be your favorite Jack Lemmon film, But that song you’re singing along with as you roll down the ol’ Natchez Trace is “Seven Year Ache.”


Posted on Fri Aug 10 21:57:11 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

Pehr

Little Brother: Thanks for posting those lyrics. thats beautiful. whose song is that, eh? I'd love to know. thanks for sharing Have a great weekend gang. TGIF!



Posted on Fri Aug 10 21:45:04 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te063.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.178)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

JTULLFan~~RE: Teacher; Guess you were "born too late." In 1972 I was a senior in high school and witnessed JT at The Civic Arena performing most of "Benefit" (including "Teacher") and all of "Aqualung." They also performed "Teacher" in 1973 when they returned to Pittsburgh as well as selections from "Living in the Past" and "Thick as a Brick."

The body of work produced by JT; '70-'73 is so musically rich. They must have been writing non-stop and recording in-between an intense touring schedule.

Like yourself, I have always loved JT's music and I am grateful to have lived through their "salad days."


Posted on Fri Aug 10 21:39:26 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-114.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.114)

Peter Viney

Dave Pegg: as JTull fan points out, Dave Pegg is a great Band fan. On his "Birthday Party" album both 'The Weight' and 'The Shape . I'm In' feature (along with Fairport, Ian Campbell, Dave Mattacks, Simon Nicol, Dave Swarbrick). The album also features the Danko favourite 'Walking Blues' + Hi Heel Sneakers, Like A Rolling Stone , You Never Can Tell and Johnny B. Goode. I believe Pegg is a member of the Dylan tribute "supergroup" doing the British festivals this summer- can't recall the name and am too lazy to look through the newspapers.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 20:57:15 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Gene: I'm not sure if Jesse Ed Davis did any sessions with Conway during his tenure in the early '60s. I have seen a picture of a young Mr. Davis playing guitar onstage with Conway taken around 1965-66.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 20:38:32 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

The Band could have done a good job of "Locomotive Breath". I can easily imagine either Levon or Richard singing, "In the shuffling madness of locomotive breath, see the part-time loser rushing headlong to his death." Or something like that.

Somewhat along the same lines, how 'bout AC/DC doing a Band tribute - "Sink The Big Pink"?

Speaking of Conway Twitty connections, the Levon's second appearance on record (after the Ronnie Hawkins one on Quality) was with his fellow Hawks on one side of a 45 by Dallas Harms; backing Harms on the other side was Conway Twitty's group at the time. The Hawks side was co-written by Hawks guitarist Jimmy Ray Paulman; the Twitty Birds side was co-written by soon-to-be Hawk bassist James Evans.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 20:34:35 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Those were the days, John D.. The HOUND DOG, George Lorenz, broadcasting from the Zan Za Bar!!! WKBW--Joey Reynolds; Dan Neverath and Tommy Shannon, both still on local radio!!!!! Stan and the Ravens at Lu Lu Belles or the Hide Away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted on Fri Aug 10 20:07:38 CEST 2001 from dialin-1087-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.5.71)

Gene

David Powell - Did Jesse Ed record anything with Conway?


Posted on Fri Aug 10 19:48:41 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Speaking of Jesse Ed Davis -- The late guitarist, who over the years of session work & touring, played with almost everyone of note, began his career with Harold Jenkins (aka Conway Twitty). Does anyone know if Jesse Ed Davis played dates in Canada during his association with Mr. Jenkins, and if he may have met the Hawks at this time?


Posted on Fri Aug 10 19:47:24 CEST 2001 from spider-tr053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.198)

Brien Sz

From: Presidential Avenue

You do realize JTullFan that every Whig elected as President died in Office (I know it's only 2 but..,). I say we gather and form a new Federalist Party - Here, Here! Yet this time, instead of avoiding war with France, we'll kick their stinkin' asses!


Posted on Fri Aug 10 19:45:16 CEST 2001 from user-33qt86p.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.217)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

JTullFan, good move. Lincoln was a Whig before he jumped to the party that established Federal authority over state authority once and for all. While the Democrats fractured over slavery.

I believe the Tull/Band album is some kind of compilation and doesn't reflect an actual show they played together. I also believe "Reasons For Waiting" is one of the most beautiful songs in the world.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 19:01:04 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

So much to talk about, so little time.

See the following website for other Bobby Charles releases: http://www.stonyplainrecords.com/sprecord/artists/charles.html

Ex-Hawks drummer Sandy Konikoff somehow got to know the Oklahoma Mafia, and consequently appeared on both Jesse Ed Davis's first solo LP AND the Mad Dogs and Englishmen LP.

Someone mentioned Rush (the group). Their very first record, a 45, was a version of "Not Fade Away" (which we talked about last week).

Jamie mentioned Crowbar (a version of Hawkins' Hawks a couple of machs after our guys). A reformed Crowbar (original drummer, guitarists and bassist, but no Kelly Jay) is playing tonight at Blues on Belair in downtown Toronto.

Finally, at the risk of embarrassing John D, I'll say that as far back as the late '70s, John was recognised as just about the last of the knowledgeable, music-loving, real-personality rock DJs left on the city's FM dial. (I remember standing with his boss, outside the studio door, hearing the boss say, "Just listen to that guy, connecting. He's the only guy left who can still do it.) Not only had AM gone corporate by then, but rock FM as well.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 18:59:18 CEST 2001 from host.domain.com (64.23.165.18)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

Pat: great comments. I think I will drop out of the Republican party and try to reform the Whigs. There! I am a Whig. As the only living Whig, I am also acting Chairman of the Whig party! So you guys can criticize the Republicans all you want now, na na na! RE: TEACHER. It is on the Benefit album. There is an alternate slower take on the out of print 20 years box set. It is almost NEVER performed live, and I cannot even get a bootleg listing of it. Never seen it live in 20 years either/ever. Band link: there is a Tull/Band show in 1968 listed on this sight. Also, former Tull bassist Dave Pegg ('79-'95) stated if he could pick a band to be a member of, it would be the Band.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 17:21:58 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Regarding the "death of the music" format of AM radio, I realize the economic necessity of the talk format. Let's face it, people have too many other avenues to chose from for their daily doses of music.

There's a high-watt AM station out of New Orleans,WWL (870 on the dial), however, that's found a way to offer the best of both worlds, so to speak. During the day, when the signal reaches only the local area, it broadcasts the typical news & talk format, including Rush Limbaugh. Late at night, begining at 12:00 a.m. CT until aroung 5:00 a.m., the station broadcasts country music, hosted most nights by David Nemo. During these hours, the 40,000 watt signal can be heard in much of the eastern U.S. & beyond. Here's the kicker -- the show's target audience is long-haul truckers, out on the road driving all-night. Much of the country music featured is hard-core & classic stuff that you usually don't get to hear on today's top-40 stations. During the night, the show also features weather & traffic updates of any conditions affecting the major highways across the country. In this day & age of the cellphone, another interesting feature is that truck drivers call in with requests or to briefly talk with the host, Mr. Nemo. The late-night broadcast is also syndicated & relayed by several other stations across the U.S., allowing the signal to reach almost coast-to-coast. Occasionally, the show does a live remote broadcast from, as you might guess, a truck-stop, sometimes featuring live music. This late-night show is a flash-back to the good old days of radio.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 16:57:33 CEST 2001 from pool-63.49.29.55.mmph.grid.net (63.49.29.55)

Dexy

Any chance that Levon will appear at the 8/24 launch party concert for Garth's CD? He could perform his explosion live for the first time (and, the drum solo too).


Posted on Fri Aug 10 15:10:14 CEST 2001 from spider-wg083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.58)

Brien Sz

From: radio waives..,

Philadelphia in the late 80's, very early nineties, had great radio. They had the BEST public radio station that I have ever heard. Nothing close since. And their two commercial rock stations were solid.

Imus, as the man,( how do spell a slow "what" gasp with a slight cough thrown in)Limbaugh is one bag of wind, but Imus is a bag of wind that shills like no other. This guy is so shameless it's sickens me. To his defense though, he gets great guests who are both insightful and witty. You just have to listen to

"Buy my new Imus Coffee, then have some of my Slasa Dip with your favorite chip, it's Great!, Oh and right now you can get a New Imus Ranch Camp Hat, Oh and if you call Fred (Imus brother) now you can get a 10% discount on our fantastic fitting Imus Jeans jacket..," If you can deal with that for 20 minutes, yea Imus is great.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 13:43:55 CEST 2001 from 208-51-200-92.dsl1.mon.gblx.net (208.51.200.92)

BSM

From: Walden, NY

Has anyone seen or heard the outtakes from TLW? I would really like to add that to my collection. Especially the version of Acadian Driftwood by Neil and Joannie. Let me know. Dave


Posted on Fri Aug 10 12:26:08 CEST 2001 from (209.89.149.111)

John D

From: Toronto

BAYOU SAM

Don't think you want our cold air down there. Temperature reached 113 F the other day. I realize many Americans believe that when they arrive at the border that the first thing they see will see are igloos and ski trails......but not true. Toronto for example is on the same latitude as Portland OR. We're just 400 miles from Woodstock. IT'S DAMN HOT HERE!!!!!!!!!!


Posted on Fri Aug 10 12:05:24 CEST 2001 from sqd40.nirai.ne.jp (202.239.129.43)

Fred

From: floating on oriental airwaves

Re: On Your radio...ya'll think radio in North America is bad you should listen to radio stations in Japan!! Most DJs just rattle on and on, talking over the music, even cutting a song a minute or two short so they can talk on and on and on some more. Listening to The US Armed Forces Radio can be a real let down, now, too. A year or so ago they made the AM station mostly talk (the majority of the talk is sports talk --I like sports as much as I like listening to music and I like talk radio too when there is some sort of reasonable discussion going, but I hate those sports call in shows where the level of debate is "SO & So sucks!!" The Armed Forces FM staion plays the music, but it's become like a typical radio station in the States with the DJ playing the same songs again and again. I mean The Band DID put out several albums with several songs on them, NOT several LPs with "DIXIE" being the only song on them!!! I remember listening to the Armed Forces Network when I was a teen living in Italy at the end of the 70s...WOLFMAN JACK, THE KING BUISCIT HOUR..even the GI DJs were good. Now, all I can say is THANK HEAVEN for my CD collection and internet radio.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 10:59:19 CEST 2001 from fa0.dc1-cache2.mel.dav.net.au (202.53.33.10)

Michael

From: Melbourne

KLJ, re your post Levon/John Hiatt & the Weight, no Van Morrison, as I mentioned in an earlier post seeing Levon belting out this song with John H & others almost brought tears to my eyes, this was the first I had seen of levon before his throat probs, and heard that wonderful voice in years. rgds


Posted on Fri Aug 10 07:29:59 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-113-87.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.113.87)

BWNWITennessee

I've found that the best radio stations by far nowadays are public radio stations and college stations. The college ones are the best - the DJs can be so bad that it's wonderful, and they do stuff like answering the telephone in the studio while on air. Vanderbilt used to have these two kids on as a morning show, and it was so amateur that it was wonderfully refreshing to listen to, as opposed to all this polished, professional crap. And it's about the best way to get turned onto new and unheard of bands. And the DJs get to play what they feel like playing. I guess it's like radio was in the '60s. Vanderbilt has a classic country show, jazz, techno, funk, and some guy that plays bootleg Grateful Dead tapes. Then I found the Fisk station, and it sounds like it's being broadcast from someone's garage, and it's awesome. That's pretty much all I listen to nowadays. Plus, I feel like we're (that is, people smart enough to know better) are somewhat obligated to listen to and support the good stations. If enough people did that, then the big stations would have to play good music. The problem is that there are so many young people nowadays who just don't know what good music really is. Unfortunately, you kind of have to be exposed to stuff like that, very few people can just fall in love with sort of esoteric stuff when they first hear it. Even people that have the potential of being fans of differnt types of music, if you grew up with the shit they play on MTV, you probably won't even realize how much better college radio is. It can take a long time to develop an appreciation, and if you're not exposed to it, it might never happen.

Bayou Sam, I hate Rush's holier-than-thou attitude, too, especially that drummer. I mean, come on, listen to some Earl Palmer and Charlie Watts, dude. And "Trees" is just asinine.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 07:08:18 CEST 2001 from (202.7.32.129)

Rod

From: NZ
Web page

Bobby Charles '72 release is not a bad effort but IMHO is too laid back to be a Band album. Cahoots may be a bit inconsistent but at least there are some tracks that rock.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 07:02:36 CEST 2001 from 209-239-210-165.oak.jps.net (209.239.210.165)

Phil

From: Ca

Is Teacher on Stand Up? Damn good tune!

Pat, I'm ashamed I missed it. Draw your own conclusions.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 06:39:40 CEST 2001 from 1cust125.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.125)

rollie

Sam-You did beat the shit out of him and steal his tape didn't you?


Posted on Fri Aug 10 05:56:52 CEST 2001 from proxy2o.dpn.deere.com (192.43.65.245)

Mike

From: Midwest

I just got a copy Bobby Charles' 1972 album...I know most of you in here have heard it but man...I wish I had heard this before! This is like a Band album that never was! Better than Cahoots even! I could definitely imagine some of the material winding up on a band album...at least during that time! A great album with some well known "guests" and producers too! I'll go listen to it again! Did Bobby release other albums too?! If so, are they worth tracking down! Thanks to Kevin T. for the copy of the cd. Peace.

Mike


Posted on Fri Aug 10 05:47:48 CEST 2001 from ac845010.ipt.aol.com (172.132.80.16)

J. Patrick Crain

From: Oklahoma City

RE: RUSSELL/COCKER FEUD Leon Russell and Joe Cocker's feud is a strange one of two giant egos and one giant talent. Joe Cocker, beloved as he is for his soulful interpretations of others' songs, couldn't write a song if his life depended on it. His first two albums have hardly any original compositions on them. His biggest hit at the time of the Mad Dogs and Englishmen tour was "Delta Lady" which was penned by Leon Russell. Cocker got mad at Russell for turning the tour into a big, shambling, drug fueled, heap that predated Lollapalooza by some 20 years. Leon Russell, a brilliant songwriter, pianist, guitarist, showman, upstaged Cocker because, frankly, Leon had the talent and charisma to do so. Now, as time went on and Leon tired of being a rock star (and brilliantly sinking his career with his country, jazz, and soul albums) neither he or Cocker became worth much of anything. Leon has probably had the worst of it all. In poor health due to MS and heart troubles, he tours with his band, phoning in performances night after night in dive after dive, pandering to a Southern Rock audience he probably outgrew after his fourth album. But his career from 1968-1976 is a fascinating study that deserves a look. And he most certainly deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame which is much more than I can say for Joe Cocker.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 05:34:56 CEST 2001 from mat-5-7.enter.net (207.16.155.201)

Little Brøther

From: August Heat Sink, Upper Darby, PA, USA

The radio thread and especially Pehr and Pat's comments put me in mind of a song I heard somewhere...

You don't believe what you read in the paper
You can't believe the stranger at your door
You don't believe what you hear from your neighbor
Your old neighborhood ain't even there no more...

You don't believe what they say on the radio
You don't believe what you see on the video
Living in the shadow of a doubt today
Still waiting for the smoke to clear away

Tried to get in touch with you
Tried to get my message through
By smoke signal
Honey, do ya read me
Smoke signal
Call me if you need me...


Posted on Fri Aug 10 05:14:21 CEST 2001 from dialup-209.244.64.94.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (209.244.64.94)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Word out: Columbia is supposedly preparing "The Basement Tapes," the next volume of Dylan's Genuine Bootleg Series, thus the sudden proliferation of high quality BT boots. This is, indeed, very exciting news.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 05:08:28 CEST 2001 from spider-ti014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.179)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

I hate Rush's overall, holier -than-thou attitude. The guy that's on after him here in N.Y., a guy named Shaun Hanitty is better IMHO - of course IMUS is the man.

I was walking around a boys sleep-away camp in upstate N.Y. last week taking candid photos (it's my job - it's what I do). I was strolling around the bunks where the kids (around age 13 or so) stay, and all of a sudden I heard "The Weight" drifting out of one of the bunk houses. Well, as you can imagine, it caught my attention. I went inside and a kid was playing it on his tape machine from a cassette. I asked him about it. It was a homemade tape that he took to camp and was labeled with a variety of bands. I listened to the whole song, and it was live but not one that I recognised. I don't know every single boot version like some of you cats, but it sure wasn't from TLW, or BTF. Anyway, that was all from The Band on the kids tape. It was just so cool that I should stumble upon a kid listening to The Band like that. It gives me hope for todays youth.

HEY CANADA - send some cold air down here. I'm beggin' you.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 05:06:54 CEST 2001 from dialup-209.244.64.94.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (209.244.64.94)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Gee, I'm kinda surprised no one picked up on the Larry Adler-Band connection. Gary Brooker sees Dylan and The Hawks at RAH and decides to form a group with two keyboardists. Procol Harum comes into being (perhaps my second favorite band) and is quickly compared to The Band, even though they preceeded our boys. And....Larry Adler adds harmonica to the "Your Own Choice," the final track on PH's fourth album "Home."

Now let me say this about that. I saw Jethro Tull's first Chicago show at the venerable Kinetic Playground, opening for Led Zepplin and (headliners) Vanilla Fudge (I was a big Fudge fan at the time). I was floored by Jethro Tull, and "Stand Up" remains one of my ten favorite albums. So cut out this Jethro Dull talk or I'll, or I'll, or, or I'll do something goshdarnit.

Now I would ask all you folks who call yourself Republicans: you're supposedly for smaller government and less taxes and welfare reform and viagra/Pepsi cocktails and stuff like that, right? Yet the Republicans support massive increases in Defense spending (increased government, and a wing absolutely famous for corruption), huge corporate tax breaks--this year for energy companies--at the expense of paying off the national debt, selling mining and logging rights on public lands at a loss, underwriting tobacco farming, and, to be honest, I have nothing against viagra and Pepsi. Since the Republican party seems to counter everything it supposedly stands for (and before anyone gets too huffy, I can detail a similiar but somewhat less sleazy list for the Democrats), why would anyone who considers him or herself a conservative want to be part of it? Heck, the President makes the worse welfare queen look like JD Rockefeller, having done nothing but live off corporate welfare and insider trading his whole life, the exact opposite of what a real conservative really is. The truth is, as Rush would say, is that the Repblican Party exists to enact legislation that benefits large corporations, like allowing one mega-company to buy up a bunch of radio stations in one market, driving out local owners and establishing cookie-cutter operations of the like that pollute the airwaves all across our fine continent. Now, wait a minute, plenty of us might use the term "conservative" to describe our philosophy, but, please, the Republican Party only pays lip service to conservative causes while it ass-licks corporate America.

I apologize in advance for using this forum for a political rant, and I don't mean any of this to personally offend anyone here. Except for you darn Brits.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 05:07:09 CEST 2001 from hse-toronto-ppp262235.sympatico.ca (64.230.34.158)

brown eyed girl

From: cabbagetown

Re: "The Weight" (live).....Levon Helm, John Hiatt, Radney Foster and Mark Collie from Red Hot + Extra.
"The Weight" (live) from tv show.....Levon Helm, Cheryl Crow, Jakob Dylan, James Taylor and Shawn Colvin.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 04:20:39 CEST 2001 from spider-tr024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.184)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Mingus-I'm certain you will get more specific answers, but...I recall, a few years ago, I believe it was around the same time Rick was spending time in Japan, I saw a picture in one of the NY rags. It was of Levon & Emmy Lou accompanying Jakob Dylan on The Weight at a Wallflowers show in NYC. I don't recall Sherl Crow in the pic, though she may have been. It was probably with a review of the show, but I don't remember for sure. I know Levon harmonized with The Wallflowers on The Weight on at least one other occasion, I think in Saratoga.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 04:17:08 CEST 2001 from 1cust246.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.112.246)

Hi

From: near here

Mingus, I saw that tv show with Levon,Crow,Jakob and there was no Robbie....Napster is/was notorious for getting things wrong..eg. Dylan at Tramps with Elvis Costello was in July 1999 but hundreds of Napster users have it as July 2000........They're still working on the Joyous Lake and the owner is trying, to at least physically have it resemble its original look from the 70's and early 80's...let's hope the music's quality does also........the Garth thing at the Bearsville theatre was advertised on Woodstock radio today so if you want to go, grab it fast....


Posted on Fri Aug 10 04:06:33 CEST 2001 from as7-d53-sc-psci.psci.net (63.75.26.53)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Mingus:

That particular version of the weight was recorded for a VH1- save-the-music special circa 1996. Indeed, it IS Levon with Dylan and Crow, NOT Robertson.

I have also seen this misprint on MP3 sites, but it is indeed Levon.

There is also a great version of "The Weight" from Red Hot & Country, featuring Levon w/ John Hiatt and I THINK Van Morrison?

Does anybody know whether I'm right about Van Morrison?

Just curious.



Posted on Fri Aug 10 03:21:56 CEST 2001 from cw02.m1.srv.t-online.de (212.185.252.194)

Mingus

From: Nazareth

I am just putting my Napster-Files in order and found a recording of "The Weight" that indicates as featuring artists Sheryl Crow, Jakob Dylan, Emmylou Harris, James Taylor and Robbie Robertson. As the first chorus really sounds like Levon Helm singing, I doubt that Robbie Robertson is present on this recording. Anybody knows when this was recorded and for what occasion ? I searched through all the Band`s discography on this site, but couldn`t find anything. Thanks for your help and support in advance !


Posted on Fri Aug 10 03:00:09 CEST 2001 from ool-18b9acac.dyn.optonline.net (24.185.172.172)

Laurre

From: Here

Is there another Flinstone movie coming out? They should include rock bands in that one. Then Robbie Robertson would be Robbie Robertstone and Eric Clapton would be Eric Clapstone and Bruce Springsteen would be Bruce Spingstone. George Harrison would be George Harristone, Van Morrison woudl be Van Morristone--What would Sting be called? And the Stones would be well, just the Stones. Hope they make that movie! Signing off. Have a great night. Taime. Lauree


Posted on Fri Aug 10 02:29:21 CEST 2001 from dialin-170-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.170)

Gene

Favorite AM Country song "Seven Year Itch", Roseanne Cash (perfect for driving South on the Natchez Trace in Franklin, TN)


Posted on Fri Aug 10 02:24:04 CEST 2001 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

pgodfrey

Help! I read a guestbook entry a while back that may have related to strange things happening with their files. I received an email from a Guestbook regular who had received an accounting file from "My Documents" file. Yes a hacker has been able to attack my computer files. Could this be a Trogan virus? I look forward to any information you may have in this regard. Meanwhile I will be off line until I have the computer checked out and a Norton anti-virus program put in place. Would changing my email password may help. Thanks for any help you can pass on. Shine On! paulg


Posted on Fri Aug 10 02:19:10 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Just a little more on radio after reading pehr's great post.

This is in regards to the death of regional radio. I remember growing up and going up north to my Grandfather's and listening to the local 1000 watt radio station. The announcers were dreadful in the "major market" way of thinking. I would now like to replace the word "dreadful" with "character." These guys were never going off to New York, L.A. or in the case of Canada, Toronto. However they held a "magic" to their delivery. pehr brings up people like John R. etc. I used to listen to John R. on a clear night and of course George "The Hound" Lorenz out of Buffalo. Today the "radio doctors knows as consultants" would eat them alive. These people had knowledge, respect and originality in their delivery and in their "pipes." I long for those days and I fear they may never return. When I now drive into a rural area here in Canada or the U.S. and I hear a pre-programmed "sound-a-like" major market station, I cringe. They are programmed out of big cities and their playlists come from there as well. It's a death that still haunts me. Late at night when I look at my old Westinghouse radio I had as a boy I know that it will never have the originality it once had and it gives me a feeling of sadness.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 01:54:42 CEST 2001 from spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.41)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Never thought we would be discussing Rush around here, but... as someone who cut his teeth in radio broadcasting as a DJ, he does have good taste in music. I used to find him, Dr Laura, and their talk radio ilk to be somewhat entertaining, and even informative, as long as I refused to take them too seriously. But as time goes on, their extreme rightousness and my way is the only way everyone else is wrong agendas have left me cold. I guess extreme is the keyword for me. I don't like extreme right OR extreme left, but these two really do, often, preach extreme hate. And in my travels around the country I have heard many more lesser known local and regional talkshow hosts who are on the same agenda. My biggest problem with Rush is his insistence that his is a "Conservative" agenda. The guy is a Republican through and through, and should just admit it. I know Conservatism and I know Conservatives, JTull fan is hardly the only one who posts here on Jan's excellent GB.


Posted on Fri Aug 10 01:41:39 CEST 2001 from spider-tf014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.179)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

The point I was trying to make, my friends, is that (hopefully) there is a diversity of ideas out here and we should not make broad assumptions when posting a political comment. Yes, I voted for Bush and support his tax cut, although it is far too small. Yes, I consider myself Republican although I tend to be more libertarian on some items. I am not part of the religious right and outside of getting married last year have missed church for 18 years straight.Yes, I listen too, and enjoy, and often agree with Limbaugh, but I would never have considered dropping his name until I saw the political post. It was my way of saying 'you stepped on my toe, how would you like it if I talked about Rush Limbaugh?' And then come the predictable Jethro Dull slights. C'mon, I'm sure Mr. Anderson is fairly left wing but it is irrelevant to me. I do agree with the talk radio comments and would love to find that jewel of a blues AM station late at night. I believe New Orleans has one. So can we please get back to the music? If anyone resents there tax rebate out here your welcome to send it to me. And thanks for the support: You guys know who you are. The silent majority lives!


Posted on Fri Aug 10 01:34:07 CEST 2001 from m198214181246.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.246)

pehr

NIce discussion going on with posts from messrs. John D., David Powell, Peter Shaw and JTF, etc., about radio.

Radio is really falling into a dinosaur trap, and these guys are touching on it and stirring up alot of thought from me. thanks guys.

What makes great radio to me is a strong local connection and afilliation. A vicsceral connection to the organic energy of what makes a community what it is,local people, active, diverse: a living thing. I regret that Radio is run by mega corporations tied to no one knows who, run by consultants and steered by commitees that are scared to death to relax control or take any risks- so we get this homogenized bought and sold picture of "reality" ("they", from Stern, Limbaugh, Dr Laura, Larry King, etc. all tell you the "truth" - their own, if even that... limbough hardly ever has guests on his show. Callers can hardly get a word in edgewise. This O'Reilly guy on cable, he justs interrupts his guests incessantly!)

Very different compared to the 40's and 50's radio, say of John R and Gene Nobles playing Rock and Roll and "Race" music and that signal from that nashville station going out in the stratosphere and influencing young Bobby Zimmerman in Hibbing, Levon in Turkey Scratch, Young Ricky in Simcoe, Richard and Robbie, and so on..well this kind of stuff came out of taking risks and getting involved locally and getting the stuff out. against the grain of some real resistance.

John D.'s illustration of driving thru the Delta and hearing Limbaugh is ia poignant image of these times and the state of things. It's a great idea for a Band/RR inspired song motif About the Radio myth for these times. With media extentions of ourselves like the computer, information, up to the minute stuff we amputate other parts of our heart and soul. we dont really know what people think and do in other places. Thats such a big part of what makes radio, and life speciial. thanks...


Posted on Fri Aug 10 00:39:06 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-109.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.109)

Peter Viney

I'll second Bob's mention of Larry Adler.I heard him on the BBC Radio 4 show "Desert island Discs" a few months ago (50% talk, 50% selections by the guest), and found him hugely knowledgeable and entertaining. And he'd played with everybody, and had classical pieces written for him and his harmonica. I went out and bought two of his favourite classical selections from others after the show in fact. Not "Related artist" status though! (And what happened to Shuffling Sydney in that area?)


Posted on Thu Aug 9 23:48:27 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

RE: RUSH LIMBAUGH

I have heard Limbaugh on a number of occasions. I can hear him syndicated through Buffalo with his voice wafting into Toronto. I find him a mouth piece for the Republican Party. I kind of enjoyed him a few years back when he started making a name for himself; but like Stern and the others I tired of them

Regarding My good friend Mr. Powell's comments.....and David you know I always agree with you; but in this situation..... and I say so selfishly.....if it weren't for talk radio I would be unemployed. I will say that throughout North America AM radio died to a degree; not because of talk; but by listeners who abandoned the poor signal for the great musical sounds of FM radio. Can't blame 'em. Therefore to stay alive three formats became popular on the AM dial. News-Talk, All Talk and believe it or not..... and not a shot at country music fans....but true country fans did not abandoned country on the AM dial. Radio was really left no choice but to go to a format that didn't have music since everyone had left for the FM band. I know David will feel my pain when I tell you that when I drove through Mississippi the first time, looking for that great "regional" blues station; with city names like Yazoo just ahead of me on the highway etc. You have no idea of what it felt like to hit a signal....listen through the commercials with anticipation.......and on the other side here FRIGIN' RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!! That ain't regional Mississippi radio to me. Have a good day and David I understand your pain my old friend. As a listener...I feel the same way. Perhaps when All-Digital Radio comes to the AM Band we will hear music back on those famous airwaves. Hell....when I heard Satisfaction by the Stones for the first time it came out of a tiny Delco AM radio in my dad's Chevy. To me there was no better sound.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 22:27:41 CEST 2001 from spider-wi063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.48)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa
Web page

I haven't seen any mention of the passing of the great Larry Adler a few days back. The CNN site posted above gives a brief bio. There are many sites available with extensive information on his life and musical career. He was an amazing musician and a very interesting man. A story worth reading.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 22:24:50 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

The Cocker/Russell feud (I never heard of it before) seems pretty obvious if you look at the credits on "Mad Dogs and Englishmen."

Joe, who had several original compositions on his earlier albums, gets none on his best-selling (I believe) release, while Leon gets three. Not to mention, on a "Joe Cocker" album, there are three cuts featuring Leon or his buddies on lead vocals -- "Girl from the North Country," "Give Peace a Chance" (by the way, far superior to the Lennon composition of the same name) and "Superstar." It may not be "upstaging" but it certainly amounts to "imposing a musical vision." I can see Joe Cocker's point, if that is the real crux of the dispute.



Posted on Thu Aug 9 22:16:34 CEST 2001 from 24-159-102-250.hsacorp.net (24.159.102.250)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell, Ga

Sorry no conversation, re Ronco, Mountain Oysters, Boone's Farm or getting drunk. Just want to mention again, new John Hiatt, teasers on www.johnhiatt.com also new Keb Mo coming out also in September, and I think some new stuff also from Sonny Landreth. Sorry, no info on any new BB Stuff, but the new Prof. Louie and Garth both have my seal of approval.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 21:59:01 CEST 2001 from spider-wi081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.56)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

I'm not a Rush Limbaugh fan by any means but at least his show is advertised as a talk show. The big problem with talk radio is that the majority of it occurs on shows purported to be music oriented.

I know we've discussed a bit of this previously but the state of "music radio" in my area and, as I understand it, around the country is pathetic. I have always believed a well run radio station could turn a nice profit and provide plenty of enjoyment by playing all of the "unplayed" tracks of all the popular artists that are proven draws. Anyone have four hours of airtime per evening they would care to put in good hands?


Posted on Thu Aug 9 21:07:24 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Political views aside, Rush Limbaugh is a major host to that affliction that plagues the radio airwaves in the United States -- all talk, almost all the time, leaving little room for music.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 20:00:23 CEST 2001 from pool-63.50.125.103.rlgh.grid.net (63.50.125.103)

Peter Shaw

From: Vancouver, WA

Jamie, no flames spreading. And to the Jethro Tull fan, I was not attacking you. Honestly though, I don't see how civil discourse is out of line, although as I alluded to in the beginning of my previous post--and I should have been stronger in writing it--the post had little to do with The Band except that Mr. Limbaugh was mentioned in a posting. I attack his ideas.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 19:10:18 CEST 2001 from as8-d47-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.47)

Knockin' Lost John

From: INDIANA
Web page

AJR:

Thnx for taking the time to listen to my tunes. Glad you liked them. I hope some other GB'ers check 'em out too. This is my first "public offering", so I'm trying to drum up some constructive criticism.

CHECK EM OUT. They really are pretty good tunes!



Posted on Thu Aug 9 19:08:31 CEST 2001 from spider-wl024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.29)

Amanda

From: SC
Web page

Knockin' Lost John:

I really enjoyed listening to your songs. You have a beautiful voice...it kind of reminds me of Roky Erickson from The 13th Floor Elevators. The music is totally different, but the voices are similar with a kind of goodness or sweetness. I guess similar to Rick Danko.

Dennis n' Wanda: Thanks for the info about Joyous Lake. I am trying to talk my husband into a Winter workshop at Woodstock School of Art. Visiting Joyous Lake would be an extra bonus.Please keep us informed.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 18:53:23 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

From: Hoodski

Great info. re. J. Lake!! Drove past on 8/5, and new tan paint job goin up!! It will be great if it reopens soon and Levon and the Barnburners, Jim Weider and the Gurus jam there, agin!!!


Posted on Thu Aug 9 18:44:26 CEST 2001 from (141.211.54.38)

Jamie

From: People's Republic of Ann Arbor

Peter: I understand that you are passionate about this issue, but this is out of line. JTullFan just mentioned limbaugh in passing, in response to a stream of remarks from others. In general, JTF is pretty good humoured about his position as a conservative on what seems to be a generally left of centre board. I have no political axe to grind here. (For what it is worth I am a left winger by Canadian standards, which means that by American standards I occupy a position that is so far to the left that it doesn't exist.) This is just a question of basic civility. I'd say more, but I don't want to fan the flames.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 17:59:00 CEST 2001 from pool-63.50.107.29.rlgh.grid.net (63.50.107.29)

Peter Shaw

From: Vancouver, WA

The item below has just about nothing to do with The Band, but rather is a response to the Jethro Tull fan who seemed to encourage folks to listen to Rush Limbaugh. So if this is not your interest, scroll on by. How fitting Rush Limbaugh would get mentioned in this forum. Much of The Band’s work deals with the myth of America, and Limbaugh deals with lies. For those of you who don’t know, Limbaugh is a right wing, for lack of a better term, radio show host who spews forth a stream of nonsense that is ridiculous and embarrassing. Listening to him, you would find that the most oppressed group in America is the white American male, under attack from those with the insane idea that democracy requires equality. Time and time again Limbaugh has been shown to be a liar. The media watchdog FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting) has exposed this on numerous occasions. But the problem as I see it really isn’t with his lies, but his distortion of the big picture. Like many “great” thinkers before him, Limbaugh would have people believe that the government is in the hands of a wide variety of liberal activists who are putting a stranglehold on the American way. And this is true if you believe that the American way is one of quasi-fascism in which the individual should submit to the will of corporate interests. Both major parties in this country are largely beholden to the interests of the business class (to our friends across the borders, that word “class” is unknown in the mainstream media in this country, and to Rush Limbaugh as well--we all have equal opportunity here, save for white males), and in our elections we are largely granted the choice between two candidates of the business class. Yes there are exceptions, and also there are differences in views of the candidates regarding issues such as abortion, gun control; etc. But when it comes to who should hold power in society, both parties, despite what Limbaugh and other pundits will say, believe that belongs in hands of the wealthy and privileged. John Dewey once noted that politics is the shadow cast by big business, and if you are going to change things, you need to go beyond changing the shadow, but rather, change that which casts it. Al Gore may have made a difference on some issues, but in terms of political economy, he and George Bush are in full agreement. The average person like me and I suspect the gentleman who likes Jethro Tull have no place in Limbaugh’s thought but to approve of these candidates and then go home and atomize ourselves: watch television, surf the internet, buy manufactured needs, just to name a few things that keep people from getting together. Never, ever should we deign ourselves worthy of organizing to actually have a hand in creating policy. Those who do, such as labor rights activists, civil rights activists, feminists, and so on are labeled “special interests” or in Limbaugh’s terms, left wing wackos. As Walter Lippman wrote in the 1920s, and Limbaugh obviously agrees, the common people are too stupid to understand what is good for them, and so we must “engineer their consent”. (Note that Lippman was considered a liberal). Sorry about that folks, but the mood is ugly today. People have lots of reasons to be angry in our society, but Limbaugh provides deflection from the problem. And it is easy enough to research if you have the time and a decent library (of course, if you now work two jobs as many Americans do as wages are at about 1970 levels, or funding to your library has been cut, you may not be able to do this). Examine history and policy for the last...211 years? Well, deal with World War II and on and the pattern is pretty apparent. Of course, sitting, writing, and complaining do little. Organize!


Posted on Thu Aug 9 16:37:22 CEST 2001 from citrix1.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.5)

John Cass

From: VT

J Patrick Crain, I am also a big Leon Russell fan. I feel when he and Joe Cocker where together it was some great music. Its to bad that there is some bad feelings between Cocker and Leon because I would love to see those two get together again. For Joe's sake maybe he will get back to rockin and rollin and for Leon sake it seems he has been pretty low key for to many years. Does any GBers know the whole story behind Cocker&Russell's feud?? I heard Cocker thought Leon was trying to take all the limelight during the Mad Dog tour (which I know left Cocker pretty messed up)I can't see how anyone could upstage Cocker especally back in those days Cocker was something out of another planet.. man has the greatest voice of all time!! IMO

Leon Russell also did some great stuff with the New Grass Revival, Gap Band, and of course Willie Nelson. Leon deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame both him and Cocker has been screwed overed the years.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 16:30:00 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-172-134.hvc.rr.com (24.164.172.134)

Dennis 'n Wanda

From: Damn it's hot here in West Saugerties, NY

Ref John C's info request about The Joyous Lake in Woodstock, The Lake is scheduled to open, with a new owner, in September.... I spoke personally with the new owner a week ago Friday, they're a bit behind schedule on their reconstruction because they're restoring everything back to the original floor plan. There were carpenters, painters, plumbers, electricians...the works....all hard at work. Stay tuned....


Posted on Thu Aug 9 16:08:53 CEST 2001 from citrix1.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.5)

John Cass

From: VT

Last time I saw Levon & Barnburners at the Towne Creier people were saying that the Joyous Lake was bought and going to be re-open soon. This wasent to long ago were people just misinformed and in fact the joyous lake isen't going to re-open??? what a downer, I had never been there and was looking forward to going there and hopefully seeing LEVON!!


Posted on Thu Aug 9 15:38:56 CEST 2001 from pm467-35.dialip.mich.net (207.75.177.189)

Jamie

From: Ann Arbor mi

Twilight:

I used to listen to Limbaugh all the time when i first came to the States, as a kind of immersion program to get up to speed on American political attitudes. I'll avoid any comment on his politics (because, hey - this GB is all about love and harmony) but I have to admit (though I hate to say anything good about the guy): he has *impeccable* taste in music.

Band connections: When I first started listening to him, his opening theme was "Oh, what a feeling! (What a Rushhhhhhh...)" which was a tune from the early seventies by Crowbar, which was formed out of the next generation of Hawks to step into the Band's place behind Hawkins. On their first album "Official Music" with King Biscuit Boy, Richard Bell plays piano on a couple of cuts; on one or two of them he sounds as good as I've ever heard him be.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 14:42:37 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Joyous Lake, now Chicago Blues out of the circuit! That really sucks. Hopefully, someplace else picks up the slack!


Posted on Thu Aug 9 05:35:51 CEST 2001 from spider-tm051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.66)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

It's back to the drawing board to come up with another name for MY band. That's a scary coincidence.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 05:28:51 CEST 2001 from dialup-209.244.237.81.dial1.weehawken1.level3.net (209.244.237.81)

Across the Great Divide

From: NJ
Web page

We are back up after a few week hiatus, with a new Plextor burner and are ready to trade "live" band recordings. We have some new material, including a show from Amangansett, NY recorded on 8-16-96 and also Rick and Richard at O'Toole's Tavern in 1985. We hope you will stop by and trade with us and if you don't have anything to trade still come on by and we'll try and work something out....RV


Posted on Thu Aug 9 05:07:23 CEST 2001 from pm480-13.dialip.mich.net (207.75.180.71)

Jamie

From: a-squared, MI

Bill: Your observation is well taken, the syntax of my last message concerning. I am my mind from reading far to much German in the last few weeks losing.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 04:30:52 CEST 2001 from ac88d492.ipt.aol.com (172.136.212.146)

J. Patrick Crain

From: Oklahoma City

In reading the liner notes to "Gimme Shelter: The Best of Leon Russell" it states that Leon Russell gigged with Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks. Also, I read somewhere (maybe on this site) that Levon was the member of the Tulsa Mafia with Leon Russell, JJ Cale, and others. Does anyone have any info they could share on any of these two items of interest? Levon mentions Leon very, very briefly in his book and I happen to be both a huge Band and Leon Russell fan. I always thought Leon would have fared better in the long run if he had belonged to a band that would have helped flesh out some of his musical visions (especially his later post 1975 stuff). Anyone?


Posted on Thu Aug 9 03:27:45 CEST 2001 from 203-79-98-59.tnt13.paradise.net.nz (203.79.98.59)

ajr

From: we dine well here in Camelot, we eat ham and jam and spam a lot

Hey KLJ I just listened to your songs (though I should be working). Nice. I especially like the lyrics on Blame it all on me.

I had blueberry wine once though I've never had strawberry. It was pretty vile but being poor students at the time we drank it anyway. These days my drink of choice is juniper berry juice- just like the Queen Mother!


Posted on Thu Aug 9 03:13:08 CEST 2001 from spider-tp062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.202)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

Twilight: Thank you for that insightful connection. I am going to re-examine myself and my beliefs thoroughly tonight. I may even 'inhale'.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 02:00:52 CEST 2001 from pm455-35.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.45)

twilight

From: ann arbor, mi

It's great to know that the same "idiots" that listen to jethro dull also listen to rush limbaugh. I always knew there was a connection.


Posted on Thu Aug 9 00:26:48 CEST 2001 from (64.64.94.194)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

Bob R: I noticed the same thing on that Beatles' ANTHOLOGY video and meant to mention it here but forgot. Thanks (it may have wound up there through some Capitol Records connection, but there were no Beach Boys or photos of any other bands!).


Posted on Wed Aug 8 22:52:01 CEST 2001 from (216.41.37.213)

Bob R

Dont know if this has ever been covered here before, but here's a cool Beatles / Band thread : last night I was watching the "Beatles Anthology" videos and on #1 there was a scene where they are playing the earliest recordings of the Beatles / Quarrymen.. songs like "In Spite of All the Danger" and others.. while these are playing, the scene is a teenagers bedroom circa 1960, and while the music plays the camera pans around the room...we see an old radio, a guitar, and pictures on the wall of Elvis, Buddy Holly, and....Levon & the Hawks ! The picture of them taken around 1960 where they are all standing in their suits, Levon in the middle, all smiling....I couldnt believe it- almost fell out of my chair---do I detect George Harrison or Ringo Starr handi-work here ?? Has anyone else ever seen this ??


Posted on Wed Aug 8 21:45:29 CEST 2001 from as10-d168-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.191.168)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana
Web page

Well, for some reason you can't go directly to my page at mp3.com, so when you get there type "JD SWANEY" in the search box!!

Thanx again


Posted on Wed Aug 8 21:42:24 CEST 2001 from as10-d168-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.191.168)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana
Web page

Hi all

Well, mp3.com FINALLY got 2 of my songs up. Both songs were written and recorded by yours truly, so check out the link above, and if you've got time give these tunes a listen-to.

I'd appreciate any feedback.

Thanx


Posted on Wed Aug 8 21:35:36 CEST 2001 from (209.166.233.21)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

A sad time for some of us NYC-area live music fans: The club Chicago Blues (home to many recent Levon/Barnburners shows) will be closing. A final show is slated for this Saturday night (August 11), with Jimmy Vivino & many others performing. Also closing soon is the club Wetlands, which Rick Danko (as well as Levon) played many times in the 90s. It's a shame...increasingly, many quality music venues are being forced to close because of crazy rent prices here in Manhattan.

I have many fond memories from both clubs. I'll always remember Rick playing at Wetlands in the fall of '98...he dazzled the crowd with a strong set (including then-new Book Faded Brown), and encored with a note-perfect Rivers of Babylon that will stay with me...beautiful. And some phenomenal Levon/BBs shows at Chicago Blues over the last several years, as well as James Cotton, Hubert Sumlin, Pinetop Perkins and many others. (Here's hoping that other NYC clubs will pick up the slack and start booking these guys!) Thanks for listening, all.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 21:01:03 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Donna: The Blind Willie McTell recordings from the tape you mentioned were more than likely sourced from the album "Blind Willie McTell 1927-1933 The Early Years" released in 1989 by Yazoo Records. Yazoo has released a series of McTell recordings, organized chronologically, which are available on CD that I highly recommend. Most, if not all, of Mr. McTell early sessions were recorded in Atlanta. He recorded for various labels (Victor, Columbia, Bluebird, Okeh and Vocation) in these early years under many different names ("Blind Sammie, Georgia Bill & Red Hot Willie Glaze, as well as Blind Willie"). These recordings of course were made long before the advent of magnetic tape and over the years have been transferred by Yazoo and other labels directly from rare & priceless original '78s.

I'm not sure about the reference as to the live recordings from the Mississippi & Louisiana prisons, other than that certainly doesn't refer to the McTell recordings. Luther "Guitar Jr." Johnson, by the way, was a member of Muddy Waters' band during the '70s.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 19:06:08 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

From: America, the place that has set the standard for tackiness for over 200 years!
Web page

For your collective surfing pleasure:

Lest you thought we were kidding about hair-in-a-can, the official Ronco web site: http://shop.ronco.com/shop/. (Keep it real, Peter, keep it real!)

For the gent who requested the lyrics to Steve Goodman's "Vegematic": http://www.delanet.com/~drendall/files/vegmatic.html. (Or click above.) My favorite lines: "A set of presidential commemorative plates, So I could eat my eggs off the President’s face "

Since I'm posting his lyrics without his publisher's permission, Steve's records are handled by John Prine's Oh-Boy organization. A Real Player sample of said tune can be found at: http://ohboy.com/compstore/redpajamas.htm#Affordable Art

Anyone planning on attending Levon & Barnburners in the Poconos next weekend, be forewarned that the two-day festival, officially titled "Classic Rock Rally" is on other sites (Nils Lofgren's for one) represent as a Biker's Rally. Check the official website and decide for yourself: http://www.big2resorts.com/bikers.shtml

A light day yesterday, so not only got around to ordering Sea To The North and JAM, but also a used copy of High On The Hog, and Rodney Crowell's Houston Kid. Don't nobody slow down my mailman!


Posted on Wed Aug 8 18:46:54 CEST 2001 from m198214187083.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.187.83)

Pear

From: spelvil

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Posted on Wed Aug 8 17:40:38 CEST 2001 from spider-ta081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.81)

Bayou Sam

From: the heat scorched northeast

Hair in a can, and barbequed balls! - and I got yelled at once for talking about George Harrison too much. I love this guestbook :-)


Posted on Wed Aug 8 16:58:56 CEST 2001 from ukscsys.soundcraft.com (195.217.233.205)

DJMitchison

From: UK
Web page

BWNWITenn - go to above-linked web page for the bumper stickers you so crave.

By the way, I think there should be more Band-influenced groups called "Sexual Vomit". Well done there, Mutant.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 16:52:17 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-111.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.111)

Peter Viney

From: Spelchek central

I’ll be Darn Quayled: Guess if you’re familiar with the town of Simcoe, then New Mexicoe gets logical. Did anyone who played on “Sweet Potatos” play on that album? The reason Dan Quayle might be a terrible speller, is that his name should be pronounced “Keele” from “quay” (key) not ‘kwail’. A quaile (Kwail) is the krect spelin for the small burd.

BTW, I've thought sweetbreads were bull's privates all my life, but I was wrong - they are pancreas.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 14:47:31 CEST 2001 from pc028224.napier.ac.uk (146.176.28.224)

Mutant

From: Scotland
Web page

Great web site! I really enjoyed having a look around. I play in a band called 'Sexual Vomit' (yes a bizarre name I know! - please follow the link for more details!) Anyway, The Band were a big influence on us. I love their work. Thanks for putting up this web site. It's great.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 08:27:47 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.163)

Donna

From: PA

When I read the guestbook today, and read some post pertaining to Blind Willie McTell, I decided to pop in a cassette tape I had of his. It is from his early years, from 1927 - 1933. Some of these songs include, "Georgia Rag", "Travelin Blues", "Statesboro Blues". The B side of this tape, is Luther "Guitar Jr" Johnson, "It's Good to Me", "Raise Your Window", "I'm Leaving You". With a few songs by Elmore James. A friend of mine sent me this tape, and I have listened to it many times. What caught me by surprise, was a foot note, that I just noticed on the very bottom, stating that this was recorded live at the Mississippi & Louisianna State Penitentiaries??? I was wondering if any GB'ers know anything about these recordings and if so, could you elaborate on this for me? Any information would be much appreciated.

Bashful Bill, I wish I could make it to see Garth. I hope that everyone who attends that show, will post about it for us unfortunate one's who are unable to be there.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 08:11:55 CEST 2001 from 1cust245.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.54.245)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Well, my BIG windfall of $158.16 cents was kept by the government since I owe the SOBs back taxes from when I was 1099'd and my pay wasn't enough to survive on without spending the money that I should have put aside for that purpose.

That Bush is a nogood rotten Indian... I mean Native American Giver!!


Posted on Wed Aug 8 05:53:11 CEST 2001 from dialup-209.244.66.140.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (209.244.66.140)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

JTullFan, not to get too political, but it's also your--and my--debt, rung up with impunity by previous administrations. BTW, what's the under on the year the deficits return? I'm guessing 2004.

Band thread? There isn't any.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 04:34:29 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-112-83.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.83)

BWNWITennessee

In the name of science, I looked on the Pictures section of this site in an attempt to find some photos of Robbie circa, say, 1992, with greying hair, and was unable to find any. So if he does use hair in a can, he's been doing it since he was probably about 12.

JTull - you didn't think you'd find postings about our tax rebates around here?! You ain't from these parts, are ya?

(BTW, for some reason I was thinking today (hold on, there's more) about those bumper stickers they had when Clinton was first elected that said, "Don't Blame Me, I Didn't Vote For Him." I want to get one now that says, "Don't Blame Me, I Didn't Vote For Him - But Neither Did The Majority." He's a damn arrogant little cocksucker for someone that most people didn't elect to be their president. Now, don't y'all go stealing my idea before I can copyright it.)


Posted on Wed Aug 8 03:48:01 CEST 2001 from (202.7.32.129)

Rod

From: Rod
Web page

I would guess that the best of the rarities that had links to a particular album were released on the recent reissues. I don't know alot about CD technology so it would be interesting to know if there was physically room on the reissue disks for any thing else. I suspect in most cases there probably was. So are there any unreleased tracks that didn't fit well on any album? I think Barney Hoskyns mentioned an alternative version of Rag Mama Rag with Robbie playing the into on guitar. The only live stuff I would be interested in hearing would be those tracks that were rarely performed live and any TLW outakes that were cleaned up but not put on the final release. What would be really interesting though would be anything done around the time The Last Waltz Suite was being recorded. Even with all the bickering going on there might have been a bit of doodling done in the studio a Shang-Ri-La.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 03:13:47 CEST 2001 from spider-wl061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.46)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

Dave Powell:Thanks for the great blues tales; I'm jealous. For the 1 or two of you who may be interested, Jethro Tull will perform on TNN (the Nashville Network) 9pm Eastern time on August 11 and 10pm August 10th. It was recorded back in May or June. Ian Anderson supposedly caught a bad 'country music cold' after the set, according to his website diary. ON TAX CUT THREAD: I thought this was the least likely subject to find out here. I will happily keep mine as I earned it. I gladly encourage any idiots to send theirs back to the government if they feel incapable of handling it. I came so close to posting the rushlimbaugh.com website out here in response.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 03:03:49 CEST 2001 from 1cust81.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.81)

rollie

The Last Waltz went well beyond the midnight hour indeed, as John D so aptly put it.Well into Nov 26 th as I recall.Neil Young turned in an especially Olympic performance.....................


Posted on Wed Aug 8 02:15:15 CEST 2001 from m198214181246.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.246)

Pehr

Good call Mr. D! but how could you forget that day!

answering another question about Unfaithful Servant"-

I play it in standard tuning. I ripped off my version from Rick's performance of it in "Classic Albums" vid its not the same key as the original perhaps, I dont know. On the Vid its in key of E, (at least the chord positions are) which is a good key for me and most guitar players- lots of open strings and substitutions using open ringing strings to bounce off and spice it. Rick uses some nice open forms and some closed chord forms he moves up the neck scalewise that are really sweet. the chords are pretty normal: E, F#m, G#m (Intro) A - E - F# - B, A - E - F# -B- (verse) and then a bridge with a C#m to a B, I think, F#m - B to a tricky part I usually improvise with a C# a e kind of thing. experiment-

Im at my computer and not with my guitar so pardon the incoherence perhaps. just trying to help out. its a fun song to play.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 01:33:56 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

The Last Waltz was officially held on Thursday Nov. 25, 1976, Thanksgiving Day and ran into Nov. 26 as it went well beyond the midnight hour.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 01:31:42 CEST 2001 from spider-tr063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.203)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

I saw that picture of the bearded AlGore, too, the caption called it his "rugged new look". Hey G-Man, I hear you are taking a short break from being the Gurus/Barnburners #1 fan and will be at the Bearsville show. I will see you there.Don't forget the camera.I almost feel like Garth will be playing on hallowed ground. Too bad Donna from Philly can't make it, though.


Posted on Wed Aug 8 01:20:13 CEST 2001 from m198214181246.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.246)

Pehr

To answer a question the Last Waltz was officially held on Thanksgiving Day 1976! to get the exact date per se I'd need a calendar or better computer/calculating skills!

Imho all the robbie stuff before the native american stuff would be great Band records. I dont think he's changed that much really. maybe on the surface but too much is made of all that, I think.

nice to hear from you Carmen!

Herew's a thing. I showed some of my students TLW today.(I think the girls liked Rick the best) anyway... in which scene does RR speak a word of yiddish?, which word, and what does it mean????


Posted on Tue Aug 7 23:01:58 CEST 2001 from (168.99.130.156)

Guay

From: Belfair, WA

I would really like to thank the Band for providing a grand soundtrack over the years. We are having to move from Belfair(Our Woodstock) to the center hub to avoid long term sleep deprivation. Curious if any fellow hikers may be in the area for treks of the Olympic trails or other close by areas. If I can not make a get together, a friend who is the age I would have liked to have been when the Band was putting out their first few albums would dig hooking up since a hobby of his is getting people together for such outtings.


Posted on Tue Aug 7 22:59:43 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Thanks to a response from one of you guestbookers, I was able to contact Harvey Brooks and ask him who was on the Dianne Brooks records that he produced in the mid-'60s. I mention this here only because it turns out that the drummer was Bernard Purdie, who we were talking about.


Posted on Tue Aug 7 22:58:37 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

As a follow-up to my previous post -- Fans of Eric Clapton no doubt may recognize the name Barbecue Bob. Mr. Clapton has recorded a version of a song popularized by Barbecue Bob in 1927, originally called "Mortherless Chile Blues".

As the story goes, Robert Hicks got his nickname of Barbecue Bob from a talent scout, Dan Hornsby, of Columbia Records. Mr. Hornsby "discovered" Mr. Hicks cooking & playing at a restaurant called Tidwell's, in the Buckhead section of Atlanta, that specialized in that tasty Southern treat, pit-cooked barbecue. Recording for Columbia and other labels, Barbecue Bob would cut around 70 tracks between 1925 and 1930.

Like his fellow Georgian comtemporary, Blind Willie McTell, Barbecue Bob played the 12-string guitar, often using a bottleneck slide to make the double-set of strings "sing". Unlike Blind Willie, who sang in a higher register with great articulation, Barbecue Bob was known for his powerful, husky voice. In addition to "Motherless Chile", some of the songs he recorded are "New Mojo Blues", "Chocolate To The Bone", "Bad Time Blues", "She Shook Her Gin", "Mississippi Heavy Water Blues", "Darktown Gamblin' " and "Yo Yo Blues".


Posted on Tue Aug 7 22:32:48 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

IIKKA....Sory for the spelling error. One toooooooo many I's


Posted on Tue Aug 7 22:18:08 CEST 2001 from (151.198.114.211)

Bumbles

From: Under the Boardwalk

PeterV: “Go Go, Lisa Jane” is on the “Old Shoes” bootleg in decent sound quality.

BillM: I can’t imagine EMI would dare release another Band box without both Paul London and the Capers/Kapers and Little Caesar and the Consuls.


Posted on Tue Aug 7 22:12:05 CEST 2001 from spider-wn014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.154)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

Bill M:I agree that Dan Quayle is a terrible speller but NEW MEXICOE is the correct spelling of the song on Rick's 1st solo recording.

So "their."


Posted on Tue Aug 7 21:41:50 CEST 2001 from port38.msx15-ber.ppp.cybercity.no (62.66.240.231)

Øyvind Grønner

From: Bergen
Web page

http://brimstone.rocks.it


Posted on Tue Aug 7 20:55:52 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

From: Toronto

Rarities: If it's going to be by the full Band, then most of the sessions for other artists would drop off, woulnd't they? Even the Bobby Charles lacks Robertson, and the rest are there together for just one song (it seems to me). And if partial-Band is okay, then why not throw in the Paul London and the Capers/Kapers 45s?

Last week we discussed the Hawks covering Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away" and the Isleys' "Twist And Shout", and whether or not this reflected Stones/Beatles influence. I found some interesting evidence for my 'no' position - a 1962 tape of a performance by Toronto group Little Caesar and the Consuls. While they don't do the songs in question, they did perform Holly's "Think It Over" and the Isleys' "Shout". So rockabilly/R&B crossovers weren't at all unheard of around Toronto.

The rest of the Consuls tape is R&B shuffle tunes, much along the lines of the group's many many 45s. One song on the tape, and soon to appear on one of their records, is Hank Ballard's "Finger Poppin' Time". Totally coincidentally, on Friday I visited a Value Village second-hand store and I picked up an excellent rendition of that tune by the Stanley Brothers, of all people. It was on a 45 on the Delta label, which issued King material - notably James Brown - up here in the early '60s; the b-side was a bluegrass instrumental.

The Consuls never formally recorded "Think It Over" to my knowledge, but their stylistic rivals, Richie Knight and the Mid-Knights did, although they too were otherwise mostly purveyors of R&B shuffle. Come to think of it, the Mid-Knights also released "Pack It Up", which is another song on my Consuls tape.

Richard Bell was in the Mid-Knights, so there's a Band connection. Another would be that Robbie Robertson was in an early version of the Consuls (before they became Little Caesar and the Consuls).


Posted on Tue Aug 7 20:40:26 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

"And I know no one can sing the blues
Like Blind Willie McTell."

In the early '30s a group of Georgia-born bluesman began playing in & around the Atlanta area. Despite the obstacles facing them as black men in the segregated South, they would not only achieve success in their lifetimes, but would also later acquire legendary reputations in the world of music.

Although the best known figure in this group is Willie Samuel "Blind Willie" McTell, also included were Robert Hicks, aka Barbecue Bob, James "Curley" Weaver and Eugene "Buddy" Moss.

Buddy Moss was the youngest member of this group. At a young age he started out on the harmonica and later taught himself to play the guitar. His style displayed the ragtime Eastern or Piedmont blues inflections like that of Blind Blake, and he would later credit Barbecue Bob as being a major influence. At the age of 16, he took part in his first recording session in 1930 as a member of the Georgia Cotton Pickers, along with Barbecue Bob and Curley Weaver. They recorded four songs at the old Campbell Hotel in Atlanta for the Columbia label. Mr. Moss also spent a lot of time busking on street corners and playing parties with Barbecue Bob.

After Barbecue Bob died of pneumonia on October 21, 1931, Mr. Moss began teaming up with Blind Willie McTell. In addition to his partnership with Mr. McTell, his ability as a guitarist & singer had developed to such a degree that he began recording on his own as a solo artist. He recording output between 1933 and 1935 was prolific, over 60 tracks, as well as successful commercially.

In 1935, Mr. Moss also recorded with a new partner, Josh White. Tragically, that same year, under circumstances that remain unclear to this day, Mr. Moss was tried & convicted of murdering his wife and sentenced to a lengthy prison term. Good behavior combined with efforts of outside sponsors enabled Mr. Moss to be paroled in 1941. That same year he teamed up with Sonny Terry and Browny McGhee and recorded over a dozen songw with them for the Okeh/Columbia label.

Sadly, just as his career seemed to be on the rise again, along came World War II, which basically put a halt to all recording. Although he continued to perform in the Virginia and North Carolina area where he had relocated, over the next 20 years Mr. Moss would earn his living working a series of "day jobs" that included a laborer on a tobacco farm, an elevator operator and a truck driver.

During the "folk boom" of the '60s, Mr. Moss would be rediscovered. It was in a coffee house in the late '60s where I was fortunate enough to see Mr. Moss perform and I was in awe. As a young teenager way under the drinking age, I'm forever indebted to those coffee houses where I first got to see so much live music. Although in later years, I would see such blues greats as Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf and James Cotton perform live, Mr. Moss was the first bluesman I ever saw up close and I've never forgotten the impression he left on me.


Posted on Tue Aug 7 20:35:10 CEST 2001 from spider-tl041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.191)

Donna

From: PA

I had the opportunity to see The Gurus, Saturday night at the Pattenburg House, in NJ. The musical talent that exhumed from that stage, was proficient and skillful! The crowd was either stomping their feet, clapping, or up on the dance floor. Some of the songs The Gurus played, "Don't Do It", "Remedy", "Hand Jive", "Life is a Carnival", and "Slidin Home". The guitar solo, by Jim Weider on "Slidin Home", has you closing your eyes, and taking you away to another place! Randy Ciarlante on drums and vocals, Dan the keyboard man, and newly married, Malcolm Gold, on bass. This band plays with such style and enthusiasm. If you have not seen The Gurus play, do yourself a favor, and go and enjoy a night of great music and foot stomping fun!


Posted on Tue Aug 7 20:16:45 CEST 2001 from du107-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.107)

Ilkka

Sorry for my ignorance. I just came home after a journey (without the Internet).
JOHN DONABIE: Thanks for your response. I am honoured to be in this gb with you (But why call me for Illka - a female name? ILKKA is my real male name. OK, I love you, too, "Boy John" ;-))))))))
Thanks MattK for your translations; but you must have stayed in sauna too long. In 120 degrees Celsius!
I am not a Dutch, I can understand Dutch only helpfully, but I can't help loving the people who have such genius: Erasmus Rotterdamus, Rembrandt, Vincent Van Gogh, Andre Citroen, Ragtime, Norbert K. Kruze and others!
Thanks Dave Z, if you think I'm funny in English. Please tell it to the people in HEREFORDSHIRE, ENGLAND when I say "howdy folks" and to the Harley Davidson guys in the NEVADA desert when I say "did you enjoy your afternoon tea, mylord?".


Posted on Tue Aug 7 20:11:40 CEST 2001 from stargate-43-148.salzburg-online.at (213.153.43.148)

Luke

From: Austria

I've just seen the Classic Albums: The Band documentary and I'd like to know if there was more footage from sammy davis jr's poolhouse? dont flame me for asking something that's been asked a 100 times before ;-) Luke


Posted on Tue Aug 7 19:45:10 CEST 2001 from goldialup.bfree.on.ca (206.186.95.93)

Rod Demerling

From: Simcoe, Ontario

I'm interested in screening The Last Waltz in Simcoe, Ontario as a tribute to Rick Danko. Can anyone tell me the date that the concert took place? Thanks alot Rod Demerling, Lynnwood Arts Centre Simcoe, Ontario, Canada lac2@bfree.on.ca t. (519) 428-0540


Posted on Tue Aug 7 18:55:50 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-061.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.61)

Peter Viney

Long ago I did an article on rarities, which is on the site and out-of-date because a lot of it isn’t rare anymore. It’s a pointer to WHAT WE KNOW is around (or KNEW before the remasters), though what we don’t know must exceed it, whether by a little or by far. Are there more gems like “What am I living For?” (never faintly rumoured before the remasters) left for a new box?There are a few predictable possibilities, I think. I’ll cut and paste some. This is all in fuller form as “Rarities” under ARTICLES.

Four of the five Canadian Squire / Levon & the Hawks tracks still don’t have official recordings (but are bootlegged). Leave Me Alone - The Canadian Squires. Released on Pebbles Vol 10. On ‘Crossing the Great Divide” boot. Uh-Uh-Uh - The Canadian Squires. Go-Go Liza Jane - Levon & The Hawks. Unreleased on CD. Singles exist.The Stones I Throw (Will Free All Men) - Levon & The Hawks. On ‘Crossing the Great Divide” boot.

The glorious lost Band-only basement stuff, which was going to be “Genuine Basement tapes Vol 6” bootleg, but are now on this elusive 11 CD basement set which Pat has pointed us to (Alt.Music.theband)– with even more. Excellent instrumental versions of Ruben Remus and Orange Juice Blues, plus Richard’s You say You Love Me and Rick’s Beautiful Thing. Both the latter are very poor recording quality. Then there’s the Tiny Tim stuff and several Garth fragments. A bit of Bacon Fat. A lot more with Bob.

Little Birdies. By Levon's dad. A must. It exists on Winterland tapes. Surely technology could breathe life into it?

There MIGHT be more stuff from the Goldstar sessions.

Planet Waves out-takes are on Crossing The Great divide.

Penderecki “works” - Robertson supposedly spent months in 1972 to 1973 working on an avant-garde piece based on Polish composer Krzysztof Penderecki's work. It was to be for the Band. Barney Hoskyns says it was 'a kind of symphony about the experience of the American Indians.' Another quote from Hoskyns suggests that about 15 minutes may have been “completed”. This may be in writing rather than recorded form. Whichever, it's well under wraps. My guess is it’ll stay so.

A ton of other live stuff. Woodstock 69. All of the unreleased stuff must have been taped. The actual real Watkin’s Glen show. Before The Flood tour boots. SNACK benefit. New York 76. Washington 76 based radio shows. TLW stuff. Everything that circulates on tape.

Sessions: Clapton, Jesse Winchester, Bobby Charles etc

The live stuff wouldn’t be a major thrill, as it’s about anyway in various forms, CD boot or tape. I very much doubt that there are any unreleased originals to be found, but a few more studio covers like Levon’s “What Am I Living For?” would suit me. The Hawks singles suggest the sort of smoke screen we can expect. When the last box came out it was suggested that “He Don’t love you” was the only surviving master. Coincidentally, it’s the strongest of the five songs, and with its Lee Dorsey feel, the one that’s lasted best. That’s why it’s on there. “Leave Me alone” was on Pebbles Vol 10. As “He don’t love you” turned up for an Ace Atlantic set a couple of years ago, I’d strongly suggest that Atlantic will have a master for “The Stones You Throw” as well. If not, listen to the way those old Louis Armstrong compilations were mastered off records. What will be released is what Robbie wants to release, rather than what you or I want to hear. There’ll be myth and smoke around it too- as on the BT, TLW and Watkins Glen.


Posted on Tue Aug 7 18:43:22 CEST 2001 from du206-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.206)

Ilkka

From: Nordic Countries

Mr. Jan Høiberg's own thread: FEMALE BLUES SINGERS
LOUISE HOFFSTEN received this year's CORNELIS VREESWIJK STIPENDIUM. She has made a remarkable come-back despite her serious desease; multiple sclerosis. She sang and played with her blues harmonica in Bob Dylan's Polar Music Prize Ceremony. Dylan looked at the floor like he wouldn't be there at all when the other artists (like Bryan Ferry) sang his songs but when Louise sang and played he looked at her all the time, surprised and with admiration. - Louise, may God give you strength to battle against your terrible MS desease.
Footnote 1) Louise Hoffsten in the Web: www.hoffsten.com
Footnote 2) Cornelis Vreeswijk in the Web: //hem.passagen.se/othala/ (in English, Swedish and Dutch)


Posted on Tue Aug 7 17:04:55 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Wasn't "New Mexicoe" by Dan Quail?

Jamie: Your syntax lost me. You mean you, inside your pregnant mother, called out for a song that hadn't yet been written? And you wonder why the people nearby looked puzzled!


Posted on Tue Aug 7 16:42:36 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

From: The Hoodski

Band connections and Band Hx!!! Well, talk about The Band, hmm, 8/4, Jim Weider and the Gurus...that is a real Band connection....tore it up at the Pattneburg House!! That was the real deal of RR and Roots music!! The wouldda and couldda is fine, but as a Band fan......nothing like seein these guys live!!!!! Just IMO!


Posted on Tue Aug 7 15:42:15 CEST 2001 from (217.68.101.68)

Morten Eltvik

From: Norway
Web page

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Posted on Tue Aug 7 15:23:42 CEST 2001 from citrix2.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.7)

John Cass

From: VT

I will admit I like Storyville, but I like Robbie's first solo release better (I can't remember the title)with Robbie's tribute to Richard on the song Fallen Angel when Robbie sings with alot of emotion, great song.

I will admit I was not a big fan of Robbie but all the talk about him in this GB made me re-think why I actually didn't like him because of the "feud" thing (which now I feel is a little overblown) I think Levon, Garth, and Robbie would probably all be doing what they are doing today even if they were all getting along. I just hope Levon and Garth have a say in the new Box Set comming out. Levon especally because now that he is playin the blues there could be some of the Band music of the fellas playin with Muddy, John Hammond, or like Paul Butterfeild. Any GBers know if there was ever any Band studio stuff out there somewhere with Muddy in the house or any other blues legends. Didn't the fellas jam with Sonny Boy?? Garth was notorious for setting up the tape machine, and I think I read somewhere that Garth said he still has tapes from those days that no one would even no about or remember doing. How great would that be!! to hear some real obscure stuff..


Posted on Tue Aug 7 13:28:59 CEST 2001 from (64.64.94.194)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

Twilight: musicians Pete and Maura Kennedy (big fans of the Byrds and The Band, BTW) are donating their huge tax rebate to the Democratic Party and I think that sounds like a pretty good idea. By the way: our "huge" tax rebates add up to about the same annual amount per capita as the windfall profits taken in by Bush's buddies at Big Oil with help from recent gas price increases...


Posted on Tue Aug 7 08:07:50 CEST 2001 from cm-24-92-62-132.nycap.rr.com (24.92.62.132)

Emily

very Interesting reading. . Articles about the Backgrounds of songs especially ("The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "Acadian driftwood") are exceptional.Well Done!


Posted on Tue Aug 7 07:36:50 CEST 2001 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.218.187.47)

Long Distance Operator

Web page

Cool to read that Trey is doing "It Makes No Difference" at his live shows this summer. Bless him. Click the web page if you want to read a review of his Boston gig. Later -LDO


Posted on Tue Aug 7 07:25:52 CEST 2001 from 3cust65.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.56.65)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Since Robbie is a known art film buff it now becomes obvious that he was familiar with Death In Venice and is dying his hair rather than sporting a toupee or using the Ronco spray on hair as I had previously speculated.

BTW I saw a photo of Al Gore with a beard in today's NY Post. They said he grew it during an extended vacation in Spain but in light of recent GB revelations more than likely he's using a new Ronco product called "Beard in a Spraycan" which is being test marketed overseas. Anyway, I vote for having the words to that Steve Goodman song posted and if anyone has that Ronco infomercial for the the spray on hair on videotape let me know!!


Posted on Tue Aug 7 06:32:15 CEST 2001 from dialup-376.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.120)

HANK

From: CORK
Web page

bassmanlee!!!!!.....'Vegematic'?...from 'Affordable Art?'.....great stuff!!

Ricks 1st Solo album is like a Band album, except for lead vocals by Richard and Levon........It's late in the evening/morning, folks....but I reckon Rick WAS The Band........think about it.......wherever Rick was...even solo...there was The Band, somehow.....can't be said for the others, really.....OK, well maybe Levon.....but no........it was Ricks call........

As I said, it's a bit late and I WILL confess to a couple swigs of red wine.............


Posted on Tue Aug 7 06:22:07 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.208.64.53.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.64.53)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Ah, the stone finally turns. Yes, my fine friends, Storyville is a great CD, and it's nice to see people talking about it. Let's face it, either of Robertson's first two albums would have been great Band albums--heck, Layla would have been a great Band album--but they both remain great on their own.

On another front, I'm a bit surprised the possibility of an official release of all the Basement Tapes hasn't dented some posters' obsession with alcohol and food choices.


Posted on Tue Aug 7 06:13:55 CEST 2001 from spider-to033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.58)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

Rod: The abrupt ending on "Java Blues"; that sounds like a mini-explosion, always gave me the imagery of an overflowing percolator. RR's harmonic pops and shrieks sound like a tempest in a teapot..(or a percolator).


Posted on Tue Aug 7 05:49:07 CEST 2001 from pm456-04.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.62)

twilight

From: ann arbor, mi

I second Bob with congratulations to Amanda for a great post. I'm suprised that WAHOO! or whatever her name is hasn't chimed in with some support for poor old Robbie. Hmmmm....We haven't heard from her since nobody responded to her last post a couple of weeks ago where an attempt was made to fan the fued. On a lighter note, I recieved a letter in the mail that George W. Bush has opened the doors of the US Treasury and I am to recieve $300 sometime in September. I thought about celebrating until I found out that the $ will come out of my return next year. Does anybody have any ideas on how we should spend this windfall?


Posted on Tue Aug 7 05:10:39 CEST 2001 from spider-wk022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.157)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

OK, I'll be contrary tonight... apologies upfront... but I love Storyville the way it is... and I think the skinny looking Dylan radiates some good charisma... My bet is when you line up Rick's, Robbie's and Garth's latest... and throw in Levon's whenever that comes out... you are gonna have a showing in late 90's early 00's that's tough to beat quality wise... from any R&R band... switching gears, I'd love to hear GBers opinions on JAM!... I think Dark Star could just have well fit in on that CD too... great stuff!!!


Posted on Tue Aug 7 04:07:08 CEST 2001 from (146.178.26.8)

Michael

From: Melbourne

Gotta agree with Storyville making a great Band record, spot on Peter V re Robbie staying out front on Soap Box Preacher, I always thought Robbie should have contributed some more on vocals with the guys. I sure hope this spray painting hair on your head doesn't catch on here, its hard enough trying to stay cool as it is. Regards


Posted on Tue Aug 7 03:48:01 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-114-202.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.114.202)

BWNWITennessee

Sweetbreads are the pancreas and thyroid gland. Testicles = blech, pancrei = mm-mm good. Band connection - Robbie singing about "the smell of the sweetbread" in "Unbound." :-)
(BTW, that song is very good, and kind of underrated, seemingly. It's similiar to "Day of Reckoning." Maybe it's overlooked because it's kind of lyrically abreviated. Oh, and the Beach Boys thing, I always thougt "Where I Should Always Be" was kind of Beach Boysey.)

I never heard the Storyville as a Band project rumor, but the thougth of it is just breaking my heart. It would have been something. God damn Levon.

(Please ignore any typos in this post. I'm wearing my glasses from that I got from the shite optometrist at Sears Optical, and can't see anything. That's what I get for trying to save a buck. Next time I'll just get the spray-on kind.)


Posted on Tue Aug 7 03:30:44 CEST 2001 from (202.7.32.129)

Rod

From: NZ
Web page

I couldn't agree more that Storyville would have been a much better album if it had have been a Band album. Most of the songs are pretty good but I can't listen to it because of the vocals. The arrangements are good though, I especially like the spoken bit at the end of Go Back to Your Woods.

Java Blues rates amongst my favourite 4 or 5 post TLW tracks.The end is strange though - it sounds as if it's been edited to give it a sudden ending.


Posted on Tue Aug 7 01:48:51 CEST 2001 from boing.access.net.au (203.13.25.8)

Peter Gawith

From: Melbourne Australia
Web page

Being a bit of a B grade guitar player I am curious of the tuning and chord used in Unfaithful Servant. Can anyone help? Oh, and Peter the drummer, Mountain Oysters are the name in Australia for sheeps testicals. Or Sweetbreads. Can't say I've tried them.


Posted on Tue Aug 7 00:08:48 CEST 2001 from spider-wi051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.41)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

HEY PETER- 'round these here parts, they're referred to as "Rocky Mountain Oysters." There is a hotel in Harmony, Pa. that has them on the menu year round.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 23:52:55 CEST 2001 from (64.64.94.194)

Charlie Young

From: Down in Old Virginny

Yes, there is even a connection between Ron Popeil (of Ronco fame) and The Band: Ron's daughter Lisa once made a guest appearance onstage with Frank Zappa, who recorded and toured with the great drummer Billy Mundi. Billy Mundi palyed on The Band's studio version of "Mystery Train."


Posted on Mon Aug 6 23:37:34 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Faction: "[[a blend of FACT & FICTION]] a kind of fiction based on or incorporating recognizable historical events, real people, etc." -- Websters New World College Dictionary 4th Edition

The recent George Harrison report from the Mail is yet another example of contemporary tabloid, celebrity-focused journalism. A few shreds of truth, maybe at most, tightly woven together by many threads of fiction. The Beatles were no strangers to this sort of limelight. As artists, perhaps they too were curious as to what sort of muse would inspire tabloid reporters to write such rubbish.

"It's a dirty story of a dirty man
And his clinging wife doesn't understand.
His son is working for the Daily Mail
It's a steady job but he wants to be
A paperback writer."


Posted on Mon Aug 6 23:00:44 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-142.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.142)

Peter Viney

“A Touch of Grey”: Ronco LPs appeared here in the 70s too but disappeared when the legit labels took over the concept with things like “Now That’s what I Call Music Vol (45)”- we’re at least in the mid 40s with “Volumes” here, but I think in the US you’re on the teens, having started later. Ronco LPs sometimes had the originals, but packed them in tight, utilising about 30 minutes a side which meant quality was awful and volume very low, quiter than the stylus noise. They also used to cut stuff very crudely to about 1 minute 40 seconds a track, so with something like “American Pie” you got two verses and one chorus. I suspect the legit labels licensed stuff to them because they could only act as a sampler. If you liked anything on a Ronco LP you had to go and get the original version. I didn’t know they were now into spray on hair. I think of the final scene of the film of “Death in Venice” with Dirk Bogarde covered with trickles of jet black hair dye. Even Elton John’s hugely expensive topping doesn’t look real, so maybe it’s better to go bald and grey gracefully. Amanda greatly cheered up those of us who have!

Dexy: The Mail on Sunday hasn’t let up. They showed a photo of George’s “£8 million” Swiss retreat this weekend (they later say it’s rented), with an outraged story of how security guards turned away their reporter. I wonder why that might be. In the English press everyone lives in “luxury mansions” worth several times what anyone in the area might imagine. A recent “luxury mansion” belonging to an errant politician looked as if it were a modest suburban house to the casual observer.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 21:20:13 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

Scuttlebutt had it that Al Gore was using Hair in a Can on the campaign trail last year. May account for the feeling some had that he was a "phony."


Posted on Mon Aug 6 21:11:06 CEST 2001 from pool-63.49.29.205.mmph.grid.net (63.49.29.205)

Dexy

Peter Viney -- Just wanted to note that your early analysis of The Mail story on George Harrison confiding his expectant death to George Martin was right on the money. Sadly, that fact doesn't necessarily mean that George is well, but your take on the story itself appears to have been perfect. Thanks.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 21:04:07 CEST 2001 from dhcp21588.sunyocc.edu (198.242.215.88)

F. FUNK

From: Soberasajudge

Peter V. you rascal; not trying to inflame the partched land here. I just thought it might be time to see you loosen up a bit and a night out on the town just might be your ticket pal.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 20:27:48 CEST 2001 from 222.good.net (209.54.25.222)

MattK

Peter, the Ronco hair spray paint is quite real, though I've not seen an informercial on it in sometime (and I'm a late-night, trash-tv connisseur). Ronco was also one of the main purveyors of "greatest hits" albums back in the 70s, which featured top 40 songs NOT sung by the original artist, but some studio outfit. Also, back in the day, I used to keep a Pocket Fisherman in my hiking gear in case my "real" rod and reel were not available, and I got hungry. I used it a few times, and while casting was a bitch, it worked pretty well. Personally, I liked the salad shooter best, though.

I think Ron Popeil is the embodiment of American Economic culture in many ways - proving that anyone can get rich -if they're willing to do anything for money, and that people will buy most anything.

Hank, my dad prefers the John Denver version. Care to trade?

Boones Farm Strawberry is for pansies. Real men drink "Tickle Pink."


Posted on Mon Aug 6 20:24:35 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp233.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.233)

Diamond Lil

Hair in a can???? You're kidding me! I suppose I must've been in a cave, or else unconscious when _that_ was introduced. Aah.. the thought of running my fingers through someones um... paint. Geez...

Too hot here today to do much of anything.. so I'm doing .. well .. not much of anything. And know what? It feels good for a change!

Hmm.. not a Band related thing in this whole mess of a post, was there? :-) Have a good afternoon.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 19:28:26 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

From: From far back enough to remember...

Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine was a fixture of the period of my salad days...say '69 - '73...it was cheap, it was sweet, I think it was sorta fizzy too, and as such appealed to young females, was often just the thing to um, 'soften up' one's date. So I'm told. (Personally I could never stomach the stuff.) (And, yes, it is crap.) Similar reference to a sweet fruit wine in Commander Cody's "Honeysuckle Honey of Mine", but I can't recall the fruit in question. Anyone? Anyone?

Peter, Ronco "Hair In A Can" is sort of a dark foundation make-up in a spray paint can, with which you can try to vainly (pun fully intended) colour in the thin spots. I first saw it on the head of a young man who was going prematurely bald, and at first I thought he either had some kind of disease, or had gotten a scalp transplant from a person of color. It looks bad! That you miss the whole Ronco experience over there is a mixed blessing. Ronco and partner outfit Popiel have entertained us for years with really cheesy TV ads promoting devices such as The Pocket Fisherman, Smokeless Ashtrays, kitchen gadgets, Ginsu knives, etc. The late, great Steve Goodman wrote a hilarious song called "Vegematic" about falling asleep in front of the TV and waking to find he has ordered all the things advertized on the tube while he slept. I've the lyrics on file somewhere if anyone's interested...



Posted on Mon Aug 6 18:57:17 CEST 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

From: pa

I love both Rick's 1st and Storyville. I always thought that Storyville would have made a great BAND CD. Richard with Robbie on Between Trains is my favorite RR solo song. I always wonder why they did not get together as a duo. What could have been!

New Mexicoe, Once Upon A Time & Sweet Romance in my opinion could have been on any Band release post Big Pink.

Looking forward to the new Dylan and hoping for a RR release soon. Any rumors out there regarding RR?

Best Regards!


Posted on Mon Aug 6 17:56:43 CEST 2001 from zorg229.revealed.net (208.243.237.229)

Mike

From: Midwest

There are a few bootlegs I haven't gotten yet that I'd like to add to my collection:

Crosssing The Great Divide

Old Shoes

Rick Danko and Richard Manuel (Live At The Lonestar Cafe February 1, 1984). I already have O'Tooles Tavern though :)

And there a few other tracks I am missing from previous trades:

Share Your Love, Up On Cripple Creek and Organ Improv/Chest fever...from July 31, 1973 Roosevelt Stadium performance.

This Wheel's On Fire, Forbidden Fruit and It Makes No Difference from the 1976 Washington D.C. bootlegs.

If anyone can assist me, please email me. Thanks. Peace

Mike


Posted on Mon Aug 6 17:36:15 CEST 2001 from spider-wk032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.162)

Amanda

Thanks Bob Wigo! I thought my observation would be appreciated.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 17:32:36 CEST 2001 from dialup-383.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.127)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

........been away gigging for the past few days and just had a great time catchin' up on The GB...grey hairs, , cigarettes, alcohol, bulls balls 'n' all......I would comment on all these but a matter of serious importance has arisen........

Yesterday, I was at my Moms house...which is now a grandmothers house to all my kids and nieces, and there were all kindsa uncles, grand uncles, brothers and sister-in-law all hanging out and eating Sunday evening sandwiches and that sorta Sunday scene in your moms/grandmothers house scenario and everyones talking about what they're doing or what they've done this week and and who's going where.....you know the way, I'm sure.......ANYWAY, at one point, my wife mentioned that we were going to go see The Incredible String Band next Thursday in Dublin and and it led to a conversation about gigs my Mom went to with my Dad back in the '60ies and she seemed to recall seeing The ISB (which blew me away 'cos I did'nt know) and also Joan Baez....Then my Mom mentioned how she loved Joanies version of 'TNTDODD'!!!!!!!......sez she 'a couple glasses of brandy and I'd sing that all night!!'

Now tell me, folks, what's a Band fan and dedicated GBer 'sposed to say to his or her mom when she sez she loves Joanies version of 'Dixie' in company??....anyone else find themselves in this predicament? I just smiled, of course.........


Posted on Mon Aug 6 16:58:36 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-138.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.138)

Peter Viney

General good advice on any internet site is to ignore the pathetic individuals who are trying hard to start flaming contests. Inevitably they’ll hide behind fake e-mail addresses. Any reply is feeding them.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 16:03:42 CEST 2001 from dhcp21588.sunyocc.edu (198.242.215.88)

THE DRUNK FUNK

From: One end of the bar or the other

JTULLFAN: You drank in high school? Geez wasn't that against some kind of law? and in response to your post Question One, Answer: YES Question Two: Absolutely Not! DAVE THE DRUMMER:: Thats the whole issue bubba, around and around and around and around and around and around some more.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 15:55:20 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-136.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.136)

Peter Viney

Never mind the bollocks, it's the sweetbreads. The latter is the polite term here for bulls' testicles as a culinary item.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 14:38:05 CEST 2001 from spider-wj081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.56)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

Amanda, your last post was , by far , the most insightful we've seen here in a very long time !!!!


Posted on Mon Aug 6 14:12:19 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-031.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.31)

Peter Viney

KLJ- excellent take on Storyville there, and one I’ve imagined through myself with very similar results. Even allowing that Richard was out of the equation by then, you can do a similar exercise putting Rick in those slots. Looking at your list, I notice that it swaps lead vocals like a Band album and that it works. Just as “It Makes No Difference” was perfectly written for Rick’s voice, I agree that “Breakin’ The Rules” is too. “Breakin The Rules” is lifted for me because I always imagine Rick on lead vocal and Paul Buchanan does a perfect “Richard” behind. Robbie said that he wanted that “high Canadian sound” for the second voice on ‘Soap Box preacher’ and Rick had agreed to do the session (as Ragtime points out Rick did Hold Back The Dawn) but dropped out when Levon’s barn burned down. This why Neil Young was drafted in on background vocal, which he did superbly. I’d leave Robbie on the foreground vocal though! Of course Garth already plays keyboards on ‘Soap Box Preacher’ , ‘Shake This Town’ and ‘Resurrection’. I’m glad to see that someone else agrees that Robbie HAD established a voice of his own, and one that was essential for “Day of Reckoning.” The album indicates that Garth and Rick were not party to the feud (sorry, fued is the accepted GB spelling now), and it would have been a hell of a Band album with the others back on board. There are some interesting guests. Apart from Paul Buchanan (Blue Nile) and Neil Young, you get Alex Acuna (Weather Report), Art, Ivan & Cyril Neville, Bruce Hornsby, Mark Isham, Ginger Baker. The album was seriously under-rated, with criticism of Robbie’s vocals. But Dylan & Neil Young are allowed to get away with it, so why not Robbie? I’ve heard the same rumour as KLJ, and the fact that Robbie wrote outside his most effective vocal range on some of these, indicates to me that he might have been hoping for more collaboration, especially as the theme explores a time and area when they were together. If Levon was the one that nixed a collaboration, it was a seriously bad move for all four 90s survivors. Even if it had been a one-off collaboration, it would have greatly enriched their subsequent live repetoire. I’d rather have heard Levon doing “Shake This Town” or “Go Back To Your Woods” in the 90s than “Stuff You Gotta Watch” or “Caldonia” for instance. With the addition of Levon and Rick’s vocals, the album would have been vastly more successful for Robbie as a writer.

Rob Nickel: Vogue, Vancouver, 1994. I was there and did a review. I was ‘centre and centre’. I think (without checking) that it’s on the site. if it isn’t e-mail me and I’ll send you a copy.

Crabgrass: I’ve never seen this Ronco “Hair in A Spraycan” stuff in England. Does it really exist? Does it work? How much does it cost? Does it run down your face in the rain? If it does, how noticeable is the effect? As a visitor to the USA, I notice that far fewer men my age are thinning or balding than in England. I’ve pondered on whether this is due to different genetic profile, diet, weather or vanity. We have worse teeth here too. It’s even regional. On visiting Milton Keynes near London, I was amazed to find that close crops on thinning pates were universal, regardless of age. I’m at the point where I have a choice between extremely short or what is called here a “Bobby Charlton” (after the footballer) where the hair is allowed to grow a foot long at the side and then glued across the top with hair cream. I think that Robbie’s hair indeed looked greyer (and more distinguished) a few years ago and await this Photoshop analysis.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 13:45:46 CEST 2001 from grmn-105ppp114.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.114)

Diamond Lil

I haven't read the gb in a few days, and am kind of laughing this morning while reading about facelifts, men over 45, and um. mountain oysters. The Band guestbook meets 'Cosmo', hm? And btw, as someone who _loves_ oysters, heartfelt thanks and gratitude to the person who explained what mountain oysters are. This is one person who will run screaming from a restaurant if I ever see _those_ on a menu :-)

I've had sort of a strange few days here, reflecting on something that will change the rest of my life forever..and for better. I spent all weekend at a friends house on Long Island, sitting out under the stars and listening to Band tunes (among others), and struggling to find an inner peace that's been absent for way too long. I think it's almost there. A good feeling.

And so.. I sit here listening to Rick's voice singing "you can go home" this morning, and know for perhaps the very first time in a long time..that I can.

Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 13:24:32 CEST 2001 from hvc-24-164-175-110.hvc.rr.com (24.164.175.110)

Russell

From: Rosendale,NY

We caught Professor Louie & The Crowmatix over the weekend in Kingston, it was a great show. I had seen Louie play many times with Rick Danko and once with Levon Helm. What a cool tight band and nice people, buy that "JAM" record@! It's a great cd. Good vibes to all - Russ & Allyson


Posted on Mon Aug 6 12:50:30 CEST 2001 from (209.89.149.116)

jd

OK. No facelift. Then some great photo touch ups or a massive diet. You gotta admit this is not the face we saw on the Awards show


Posted on Mon Aug 6 08:55:32 CEST 2001 from 2cust118.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.55.246)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

I disagree with those who suggest that Robbie dyes his hair. I've analyzed a bunch of recent photos in detail by magnifying them in Photoshop and am pretty certain that he's either wearing a toupee or possibly using that Ronco "Hair in a Spraycan" stuff. I'm not sure yet which but will post my final conclusions at a later date.

BTW my personal plastic surgeon also saw the Academy Awards show and concurs with me that Dylan hasn't had a facelift or anything like that. So that ends that!!


Posted on Mon Aug 6 04:14:19 CEST 2001 from 1cust229.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.229)

Mr Hi

Ah nevermind...


Posted on Mon Aug 6 03:45:30 CEST 2001 from h24-78-108-135.vs.shawcable.net (24.78.108.135)

rob nickel

From: surrey bc canada

Would love to connect with any other fan's that might have taken in the band's show in vancouver canada 1994. They played "The Voque Theater" and were great that night! Was lucky enough to be front and centre that magical night and it was the best concert of my life bar none! Please email or post on this site if you were there.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 03:44:18 CEST 2001 from 1cust148.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.57.148)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Am glad to hear that some women consider men age 45 and above sexy and intellectually interesting. I knew if I didn't give up reading the GB eventually some interesting comments would turn up!! (BTW I've decided to start parting my hair in the middle again.)

Anyone who saw the extreme close-ups of Dylan on the Academy Awards TV show knows that he hasn't had any plastic surgery. I'm glad Bob's not that vain.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 03:29:13 CEST 2001 from sdu29-223.ppp.algonet.se (195.163.223.29)

Steve Wislander

Thank You All, For helping me help my 15 year old son with accords and lyrics. Sincerly Steve Wislander


Posted on Mon Aug 6 03:19:22 CEST 2001 from spider-tk021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.181)

Amanda

From: SC

I wouldn't believe for a minute that Bob Dylan has had any kind of cosmetic surgery. He is certainly quite skinny! I saw the album cover and I think they just kind of did their magic on him...kind of like the covers of Vogue, etc. I never realized how vain the aging male can be. Come on...let us admit...Robbie Robertson looks awful! He definitely is not letting himself age gracefully. He reminds me of those guys who part their hair just above the ear to hide the big bald spot. I think most women find men 45 and above quite sexy and interesting...not just physically, but also intellectually. Wisdom is much more attractive than inexperience.


Posted on Mon Aug 6 03:13:10 CEST 2001 from spider-tj082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.212)

Brien Sz

From: a peacful moment

Just got back from 4 wonderful days of golf, horse races at Saratoga, hiking and general merriment with friends and family in the Adirondacks (upstate NY):

It's going on 2 in the morning Friday night. My brother, my best friend and myself are the only ones left sitting around a slow dying fire. The embers are glowing, pulsing even, a deep red. The wives, parents, kids have been fast asleep in the house for at least 2-3 hours, leaving us to recant old war stories and laugh about things we've laughed about many times in the past. One of those wonderful moments of silence around the fire set in; a smile smears itself across my face as I give thanks to times like these..,All three of us are 3/4's the way through a good cigar and the buzz of a long day of casual drinking is setting into a slow burn. I get up from my chair and walk to my car (only about 15 feet away), the other two ask what's up and i just wave my hand. I turn the key on and roll down my window. I pull out Rock of Ages Re-Master, push in cd 2 and forward to the fifth song. The volume is loud enough to enjoy it completely w/o waking anyone in the house. The music bounces around us and every word, every note, every harmony just resonates beautifully in the dark of the night. I have never heard Rocking Chair sound any better than it did at that moment. Perfect!

just thought i'd share


Posted on Mon Aug 6 01:20:59 CEST 2001 from 1cust65.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.65)

hi

Zimmy's been eatin' those mountain oysters.....nah it's just a flattering pic...by David Gahr taken when he was in the studio this year...photos at concerts show he's the same "old bob."


Posted on Mon Aug 6 00:41:52 CEST 2001 from spider-tl023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.183)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY

Knockin' Lost John;I HOPE Harvey was drunk...I would have to be very much intoxicated(VERY much) to eat "cow balls"!

My friends grandmother was born in Italy, and she used to eat bull's testicles wrapped in fig leaves and seasoned.She called them "mountain oysters".Ewwwwww.I can do without ever eating an animals genitals!

Band connection.....well, I'm not sure...maybe, "Did you ever milk a cow?"...


Posted on Sun Aug 5 23:25:17 CEST 2001 from (141.211.54.38)

Jamie

From: ann arbor mi

Dave - sorry, I misremembered. The vinyl place had been on Forbes, close to the university, but in its warehouse - like incarnation was on Murray.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 23:22:27 CEST 2001 from spider-to024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.54)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

Yep- John D, Looks like Zimmy had some cosmetics done to his map....or maybe he just quit smoking. Rumour has it; that will take years off your age.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 23:18:23 CEST 2001 from (141.211.54.38)

Jamie

From: ann arbor mi

Dave - Yes indeed, the Metropol. Just down from the giant sign marking Wholey's fish market. Nothing says Rock and Roll like an enormous blue neon guppy.

I couldn't get up the nerve to try to hang in the tour bus. I thought about it, but I was too shy - a shame we didn't hook up. If we have unknowingly crossed paths, it was probably at a record shop - as I recall there were only a few good ones in town. I spent a lot of time in the big second floor warehouse - like used vinyl shop on Forbes in Squirrel Hill. Also there was a really neat independent shop in Bloomfield, close to the Bloomfield bridge. (Can't remember the name.) The staff there were really well-informed, and the guy they had who served as the store expert on the blues really seemed to know everything about the blues. I hope they got enough business to keep afloat.

I'm touched that someone noticed and remembers my shouts at that concert, and perhaps also that you sensed the underlying tone. It wasn't just that I wanted to hear the song, of course, but I was hoping to somehow nudge the group into doing something different from the old standards, to get out of a comfortable groove that seemed to be imprisoning them. Maybe contribute some small push to get Rick more confidence and focus as a songwriter, to let him know that people hadn't forgotten what he had done in this direction. It's hard to say precisely what the feeling amounted to - it was too formless for that - but I felt it strongly throughout the show.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 23:12:02 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Has anyone noticed the cover of Bob Dylan's new CD Love and Theft? Delicate Question? Has Bob been under the knife OR has he gone through quite a weight loss. The jowls are missing and he has that same "skinny look he had in the 60's. I seriously would not have recognized him if his name was not on the cover. Check it out at Amazon.com. Just wondering what you thought.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 22:37:06 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: ~Virtual Reality Music~

OK, Knocking LJ, could be. Just reminding you that Rick is doing back up vocals in ~Hold Back The Dawn~ already.

Richard would have turned ~Go Back To Your Woods~ into something even more powerful, with Rick & Levon coming in at ~When The Night Goes Down On Storyville~.

It would almost have made an even better album, wouldn't it...?


Posted on Sun Aug 5 22:13:44 CEST 2001 from as8-d7-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.7)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

I've heard a rumor (maybe the one from Stage Fright!) that Storyville almost WAS a Band album.

The timing seems right, and more importantly the style of the songs sounds dead on. Of course, Richard was gone by then, but the rumor was that Rick and Garth were ready to work with Robbie as THE BAND, but Levon would have nothing to do with it.

Of course, I only entertain rumor for entertainment's sake.

However, if Richard had still been alive in 1990-1991, here are how I imagine the lead vocals on the Storyville album, if it were done by THE BAND:

Night Parade: Levon

Hold Back The Dawn: Rick

Go Back To Your Woods: Levon

Soap Box Preacher: Richard

Day Of Reckoning: Robbie (I can't imagine any of the others singing this!)

What About Now: Richard

Shake This Town: Levon

Breakin' The Rules: Rick

Resurrection: Richard

Sign Of The Rainbow: Rick & Richard!

Um, that's the way I hear it. Agree? Disagree? Think I'm plain crazy?



Posted on Sun Aug 5 21:36:22 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime, third round

It has always been my impression that Robbie would have loved to have Richard as the lead singer on most of the ~Storyville~ songs.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 20:32:26 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-055.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.55)

Peter Viney

If you're talking song style, lyrics, arrangment and quality, all the most 'classic Band-like' songs are on "Storyville", and … er … think about it, there's a reason for that …though Rick's solo album runs into a close second place.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 20:16:48 CEST 2001 from a050-0916.chcg.splitrock.net (63.252.133.154)

mark

From: chicago suburbs

We hit a bunch of garage sales this weekend and lo and behold there was a copy of LIVE AT THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL 1970.Igot it for a quarter.It looked to be in bad shape but upon playing sounded o.k.Are these bootlegs worth anything?Like more than the price of the postage?


Posted on Sun Aug 5 20:15:09 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime, second round

Most Band-like arrangement on RCO All Stars: Earl King's ~Sing, Sing, Sing (Let's Make A Better World) ~ featuring Garth and Robbie.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 18:15:59 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

The most Band-like song on the most Band-like album is ~Once Upon A Time~ IMHO. Danko's very best song, guest appearance by Levon (lyrics by Emmett Grogan).


Posted on Sun Aug 5 18:00:54 CEST 2001 from aca3289f.ipt.aol.com (172.163.40.159)

J. Patrick Crain

From: Oklahoma City

I'm 27 and the sides of my head are WHITE. I shall soon look like Leon Russell. But, in defense of RR, since he is part Indian, he may well be naturally dark headed. I have seen plenty of Indians stay dark headed all the way up until the day they died. Then again, I've seen plenty more that went grey and white. I don't know what the france I'm talking about. But I wouldn't be surprised if RR was doing the Grecian Formula trick to look eternally youthful (kinda like those bad, trendy glasses he wore at the Grammys). But, I'm sorry, I have a soft spot in my heart for RR. I got Levon's last solo album ("Levon Helm") in the mail Friday and I don't think it's as bad as everyone made it out to be. Sure, it sounds like a big eighties project, but some of the performances are inspired and the song selection is far from atrocious. But those liner notes. . . egad! Stop with the bitching already! Anyhow, one month until Little Feat! Got my tickets yesterday! I'm soooooo excited!! Wouldn't that be great if Levon and Garth did a show with Little Feat? I'd be there with bells on.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 16:37:34 CEST 2001 from spider-wd071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.181)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

Jamie:- The concert you attended in Pittsburgh in the mid-nineties was held at Metropol nightclub in the "strip" district. I was there as well. When you mentioned shouting out "play New Mexicoe" it struck a chord.I remember hearing someone in the audience calling for that tune. Did you hang out in the tour bus after the show Jamie ? If so , our paths have crossed.

Re: New Mexicoe, I have always loved that song as I have loved to hear ALL the songs on the 1st Rick Danko solo project. What moves me even more than the Slowhand solo is Garth's brilliant accordion accompaniment. It's as close to perfection as I've ever heard.Of course, Rick's vocals are very passionately performed . Yes...I would have thoroughly enjoyed hearing the PLW Band perform that song. Has anyone out there ever heard them do so ?


Posted on Sun Aug 5 07:30:21 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

From: Rochester, NY (soon to be Berkeley, CA)

Great news if true about the reissued Basement Tapes. I hope that Garth and Robbie were involved as well. Of course, both the Genuine Bootleg comp and the Live '66 set went through various incarnations over a period of years before actually seeing the light of day, so we may have to wait a while longer for Bob to get around to OKing the release. It always amazes me, though, what bootleggers can get their hands on and distribute in so short a time.

Free the complete Basement Tapes!


Posted on Sun Aug 5 06:22:15 CEST 2001 from host-209-214-119-119.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.119.119)

BWNWITennessee

Right now I'm high on life!

Tommy, I once opined that RR dyes his hair, too. I think I got yelled at. But come on, the guy's almost sixty! It's just further proof that all of Levon's accusations must be true.

When I lived in the great state of West By-God Viginia, they often served a dish called porcupine balls, which to my great disapointment contained nary a single woodland creature's genitalia.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 03:49:36 CEST 2001 from lco229.zoominternet.net (63.67.120.229)

T Lenae

I wanted to know if the band played at Indiana University of Pennsylvania in the early 70's?


Posted on Sun Aug 5 02:45:13 CEST 2001 from pm460-23.dialip.mich.net (207.75.176.81)

Jamie

Oh, yes - I shouldn't have been ambiguous. In the earlier message I was asking if anyone else shared my enthusiasm for "New Mexicoe", not whether anyone shared my unenthusiasm for "Java Blues". --Jamie


Posted on Sun Aug 5 01:42:25 CEST 2001 from as8-d146-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.146)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Tommy:

My "step"-grandfather was from Texas, and he actually used to make Bar-B-Q Bull Testicles! No, I never tried them.

Of course, my grandmother, bless her soul, always called them "cow balls", no matter how many times we tried to explain to her that cows do not have balls.

As for whether or not they go with strawberry wine and pancakes, I'm not sure. But Ol' Harvey was always drunk when he made them!



Posted on Sun Aug 5 01:42:35 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.215.118.124.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.118.124)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Rumblings on the internet that a new version of the Basement Tapes booted by Scorpio came from a Columbia mastering session. Hints that Columbia is finally going to release the BT's in their proper (read no overdubs) form. Four cd's of material.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 01:04:27 CEST 2001 from pm459-37.dialip.mich.net (207.75.176.47)

Jamie

From: ann arbor mi

Dave - sorry I should have been clearer. I also like the *cut* "Java Blues" on the Rick Danko album, in large part because of one of my favorite RR guitar performances. I don't care for the song, though, even though the performers made it work on the album. When it got incorporated into the reformed band's repertoire, and into Rick's solo performances, I wished they had chosen almost any other Danko composition (including "Streetwalker", of which I am unaccountably fond.

The only time I saw any version of the Band live was in Pittsburgh, as it happens, in the mid-nineties. [If you overlook the time - as I'm told - my mother went to see Hawkins and the boys at the Brown Derby in the early sixties. She was pregnant with me at the time, but I don't remember much about the show.] I even shouted out "Play New Mexico" a couple of times, but only got puzzled stares from the people around me in return.


Posted on Sun Aug 5 00:47:12 CEST 2001 from spider-wm074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.184)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY

Hmmm,,,Bar-B-Q'ed balls???Does that go with strawberry wine and pancakes?


Posted on Sun Aug 5 00:40:32 CEST 2001 from as8-d129-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.129)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

I agree with Tommy on the Rick Danko thing.

Danko's first solo record is the ONLY one that sounds Band-like. Of course, that doesn't mean I think the RCO ALLSTARS sucked, it's just that Levon went in a completely different direction. Actually, I like the RCO Allstars better than Rick's album, but that's just a matter of personal taste, so don't Bar-B-Q my balls.

Still, I do love the Danko album, and it does sound like the best follow-up sonically to Northern Lights-Southern Cross and Islands.

I wish Richard would not have dropped out of sight after the Last Waltz so that we would have another solo record to compare to the Band's work as a group. What a shame.

John


Posted on Sat Aug 4 23:56:19 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.162)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

Rick Danko's PLW solo album is on my top ten list of music that I will NEVER tire of. I always liked Rick's bass playing in The Band and his singing but his first solo effort was an immediate hit with me from the very first listen in 1978. I remember purchasing a second copy because I wore the first one out. Now I have it on CD.

I don't quite agree with "Java Blues" being a "cold" track. RR's percolator-like guitar riffs jump right out of the speakers every time I listen to it. Rick assembled a stellar group of sidemen for this effort.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 22:08:14 CEST 2001 from spider-wm014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.154)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY

I always felt that Rick's first solo album is the closest approximation of what The Band WOULD'VE sounded like had they stayed together.I'm not sure why...It just sounds more in the vein of The Band then the other guy's solo efforts.any opinions about this ,gang?


Posted on Sat Aug 4 21:42:47 CEST 2001 from pm593-05.dialip.mich.net (207.75.181.63)

jamie

From: ann arbor mi

Picking up a couple of themes in J. Patrick Crain's message. I agree that Rick's first solo album is really very underrated. I listen to it more often than anything else any of the group did after LW (That's not counting "Richard's solo Album", which is a tape I cobbled together of songs featuring Richard's backing vocals and Richard cuts from various bootlegs, plus "Sleeping" "Jawbone" and a few other favorites. That gets easily the most play, with Rick's solo album second, followed by "Stan Szelest's solo album".)Were I to keep a diary of my listening habits, only other official release that would come close to Rick's numbers is Levon's American Son album. You ought to get hold of this if you can.

(My opinion of AS, containing a grotesque error, is saved for future generations on the site's Levon: American Son page. I say essentially: "Well, I don't know anything about drumming, but thanks to this album I finally understand the fuss about Levon's "independent foot thing". This turned out to be a clear contribution to the "I'm no expert, and watch me prove it" genre [along with Reagan's famous "Well, I'm no linguist, but I'm told that Russian has no word for 'freedom'"] when it was pointed out that Levon didn't do any of the drumming in the sessions. But apart from this, I think the review conveys pretty well my genuine enthusiasm for the album, which hasn't altered since I wrote the review on first listening to AS six years ago.)

But back to Rick's solo album. I am glad to find someone agreeing with me about "New Mexicoe". I love that song. (And man, Levon's drumming is fantastic on that cut!)It has always been a mystery to me why it just disappeared from Rick's repertoire as well as that of the reformed band, when a song that leaves me relatively cold (like "Java Blues")was carried on and even retained through multiple arrangements.

Does anyone else share my view of this song?


Posted on Sat Aug 4 19:51:02 CEST 2001 from atpm3-4-26.enter.net (208.137.243.174)

KZR

From: PA

With all this talk about alcohol, I'd like to share a lesson I learned. Don't drink and drive. I just got busted last week for a DUI. Now I'll probably lose my license for six months. I realize now I could've killed somebody else on the road. If you're going to drink, don't be afraid to hand over the keys.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 19:01:16 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ta074.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.54)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

rollie - yes it is.

Gene - Thanks for the Purdie info. I know I have the album that came out in about 1970 that was a re-release of those Tony Sheridan sessions. I have a 45 with the infamous "My Bonnie" on it - sung by Sheridan, and The Beatles doing "Ain't She Sweet" on the B-side. The later is a great early Lennon vocal. There was also a cool instrumental from those sessions called "Cry For A Shadow" which is the only, ever, song written by Lennon/Harrison. Geez, I haven't listened to that stuff in ages - I think I will dig those recordings out.

Hey - if it turns out that Peter Viney actually has a drink now and then (GASP!)- will some of you be crushed. Personally, I hope he gets shitfaced one night and posts, ala Tommy.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 17:28:26 CEST 2001 from 1cust119.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.119)

rollie

Sam-Boones Strawberry Hill wine is NOT CRAP!


Posted on Sat Aug 4 16:32:18 CEST 2001 from dialin-603-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.3.95)

Gene

Oops, did I mention that John Lennon also appeared on those recordings - except "If You Love Me Baby"/"Take Out Some Insurance On Me Baby".


Posted on Sat Aug 4 16:20:32 CEST 2001 from dialin-603-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.3.95)

Gene

Bernard Purdie is credited for "additional drums" for the Atco release of The Beatles (with Pete Best, drums) "Ain't She Sweet". The original track was recorded 24. June. 1961 in Hamburg, Studio Rahlstedt (Wandsbek) after the pre-Ringo Beatles recorded a few songs as backup for Tony Sheridan (Purdie is also credited for "additional drums" on "If You Love Me Baby"/"Take Out Some Insurance On Me Baby" and "Sweet Georgia Brown", which had Sheridan, vocal; McCartney, bass; Best, drums; Harrison,rhythm guitar AND Cornell Dupree, "additional electric guitar"). Anyhow, Purdie and Dupree were not at the original Hamburg sessions supervised by Bert Kaempfert, which were issued on Polydor, but their overdubs, done at Atlantic Studios in New York City sometime in the spring of 1964 WERE on the Atco re-release.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 12:45:25 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Greensleeves

As far as I know ~You Say You Love Me~ is a genuine Richard Manuel composition, a bit resembling to ~To Kingdom Come~ in style though. Song with great potential. Pity it wasn't worked out into a full studio version.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 09:38:34 CEST 2001 from spider-wj042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.37)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn

Speaking of grey hairs...it seems (and people have been telling me this for the past month or so) that I have a few greys myself!AND I'M ONLY 24!!!Man.I mean, I don't mind..I'm not the type to dye it or get a wig,but so soon???Bah!

(Band connection,,,For some reason, Robbie doesn't have grey hair.Hmmmmmmmmm....odd.)


Posted on Sat Aug 4 09:17:52 CEST 2001 from 1cust243.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.54.243)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Why would Leonard Cohen waste his time going to a mountain top monastary when he could mellow out much more easily by reading the Band Guestbook?

Ahhh!! I think I'll go finish that article about the proper placement of nick nack shelves in Better Homes & Gardens before hitting the sack.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 09:04:49 CEST 2001 from c488500-a.sttls1.wa.home.com (24.20.151.187)

Thomas Alan Gamble

From: Kent, Wa

Rick and Richard: I miss you both. The world misses your kindness. Thank God for your good hearts. Take care, Tom.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 07:39:07 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tj072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.52)

wanda

From: minnesota


Posted on Sat Aug 4 06:33:22 CEST 2001 from spider-wm022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.157)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Been listening to "Sea" so much... I thought I would go for a moonlight drive tonight... very swampy... and listen to "Big Pink"... boy, it all sounds so different to me now...

Steve K: Loved your Jesus, water and wine line... the cool water up here in MN is pretty darn good too... for drinking and swimming... and I like to think that God is vacationing at that next, one little no-name lake... an island campsite... far to the north... where I've yet to travel... always a little outta reach... the lake to the north, opps I mean sea...

Drive carefully tonight GBers, with all this talk of liquor and stuff... btw Peter, you strike me as a mellow clear buzz kinda guy rather than the coarser shitfaced description offered up earlier... maybe with a thin smile while sitting listening to a good Van show...(#@$%:^)


Posted on Sat Aug 4 06:16:39 CEST 2001 from spider-wl014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.24)

Bayou Sam

From: ny

We used to drink this crap in the late 70's called Boones Farm Strawberry Hill - you could get a bottle for about two bucks.

Tommy - I saw the Macca Cavern show on TV. Good stuff, and good band - David Gilmour on guitar - Ian Paice on drums.

Living Colour is playing right now out on eastern Long Island. I caught a snippet of an interview on the radio earlier today with Glover and Reid from the band about what's going on. You cats that told me they were back, were right. Cool

I saw an article in todays paper about how older women are letting thier hair go proudly grey, and are still sexy. The photo that they chose to prove this fact was a photo of Emmylou Harris.....There's your Band connection for those of you who frown upon posts that have no Band connection

Bernard Purdie once claimed to have been the drummer on the first couple of Beatles albums instead of Ringo. I don't think anyone took him seriously, and Ringo called it "rubbish".

I said this in here once before and I'm sticking by it - I think of this GB as if it were a bar, or a diner, where a bunch of folks with similar musical (and sometimes not-musical) interests get together and bullshit. There is a tremendous variety of folks that come on by. We get the occasional pyschotic, and the ones that try to impress everyone in some way, weather it's thier fabulous grasp of language - or the fact that they sat with Levon for 15 minutes back in '72. The GB survives it all - thankfully.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 06:09:51 CEST 2001 from pm4-0-s0-i2-cgy.nucleus.com (207.34.94.2)

Claude Rousselle

From: Calgary Alberta

Rosemary Robertson who lived on First Ave Toronto, Ontario,Mother of Robbie,I was just a young boy who would be at the house everyday for many years going shopping or doing something with Rosemary. I remember Garth playing his organ upstairs ,you could hear it for miles.Rick,he was amazing,God bless his soul,I can remember everytime he come back from trips with Robbie, he would bring coins and always had a laugh no matter what. Robbie married a gal from Montreal name Dominiqe, not sure if there still together.But my favorite was Robbies mother,Rosemary, she was a very special women,very special,one of a kind. I was very young, but I can remember Rosemary just like yesterday, she was such a great person. I would love to know what has happen to Rosemary Robertson.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 04:35:35 CEST 2001 from spider-wj052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.42)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY

Hey people, I know some of you in here have been talking about Living Colour recently,so here's some info that you might enjoy (particularly my friends here in the New York area);

August 5th(this Sunday), LIVING COLOUR will be playing a FREE show at the Central Park SummerStage.On 72nd St.and Fifth Ave. @ 3pm.(call 212.360-2777 for more info.)Did I mention the show was FREE???,,,and with all original members???nice!Enjoy, friends!!!


Posted on Sat Aug 4 02:46:42 CEST 2001 from 8-pool2.ras10.inind.tii-dial.net (206.148.225.8)

Jon

From: Missouri

Pete V., Here in Missouri we enjoy wine, often home-made. It won't ever win any medals, but often time the quality is of the least importance. Friends, a bottle and maybe some music that can keep the night going. I'm no stranger to a headache in the mornin' but if you get to talkin' bout' some Missouri mountain dew, well, you might as well purchase another set of speakers, cause yours will be shore be blown out in the mornin'.(shore is a southern USA term for sure). But anyway I always enjoy readin' your stuff on here. But right now, I'm gonna go get me a drink cause' I'm thirsty. While I'm at it, think I'll go listen to the best Band there ever was. Do you have asprin available overseas for headaches?


Posted on Sat Aug 4 00:53:03 CEST 2001 from spider-tk072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.207)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

In defense of Peter Viney: Does one's self-justification have to depend upon the amount of intoxicating chemicals they can consume? Must one brag about it? It's nobody's business whether Peter Viney approves or dissaproves, indulges or not. I thought bragging about how much we drank or smoked ending in High School.


Posted on Sat Aug 4 00:04:35 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Joe Morello may be the most underated drummer ever. While millions have heard him by virtue of his work Dave Brubeck (whose son appears on Garth's new album), most don't actually know his name.

Morello's inventive drumming Brubeck's "Time Out" record set the standard and revolutionized polyrhythmic playing on the kit. Brubeck and saxophonist Paul Desmond (one of my personal heroes), who co-wrote what was then the biggest selling jazz single, "Take Five," credited Morello for pulling together a 5/4 pattern that managed to swing, for the songs artistic and commercial success (though Morello does not get a song-writing credit, for those keeping score).

It's also an interesting sidebar that Morello was legally blind - though some credit that for helping him develop his incredible melodic sensativity on the drums.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 23:56:35 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.162)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn

I never said anyone was a tightass!...And Pat, I DON'T remember my first beer..know what I mean?heh heh

Anyway,I just bought that McCartney;Live At The Cavern Club DVD that I asked about in here a few weeks ago.I haven't watched it yet, but I'll give a full report of what I thought when I have.It was broadcast on PBS some time back here in the States...has anyone seen it?Whattaya think?


Posted on Fri Aug 3 23:48:15 CEST 2001 from user-33qt88l.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.21)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

I remember my first beer.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 23:29:45 CEST 2001 from pool-63.49.28.202.mmph.grid.net (63.49.28.202)

Dexy

Web page

Story at the website above is an extremely optimistic and positive one about current and future George Harrison projects. Hope it's all true and accurate.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 23:09:03 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

All this talk about Purdie. If you would like to know one of Levon's favorite drummers in the whole world it is the legendary Joe Morello. Levon mentioned having a couple of "lessons" from the man and what a thrill it was. Hard to believe that someone we all look up to "as the man" has his heroes as well.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 22:57:11 CEST 2001 from tres01.ashe.miami.edu (129.171.41.240)

Greensleeves

Wondering?... does anyone know who wrote "You Say You Love Me" from the Genuine Basement Tapes? I really enjoy that song - and seeing how simple its words and music are, I was wondering if it was an original by Richard/Dylan/Robbie? I've got almost all the Basement Tapes downloaded now (aside from "See That My Grave is Kept Clean" - which is never available on Audio Galaxy). I was also wondering if there is a full version of "Joshua Gone Barbados" or "Dontcha Tell Henry" with the trombone and Dylan singing. I've got portions of both - which only makes me want more. Any help or info aside from that already found on the web site would be helpful. That article and review on the GBTapes (found here) has been invaluable. Thank you Jan Hoiberg for such a wonderful site.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 22:41:10 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.174)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

*HEY BOYS*__ Just because Mr. Viney is intelligent dosen't mean he's a tightass. Anyone who knows as much as he does about popular music had to have been around a time or two.... ROCK ON PETER.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 22:32:43 CEST 2001 from spider-wc044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.39)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

David Powell~Nice post on "Pretty" Purdie. Ain't no doubt Brother Levon was listening to him ears wide open. They're both MONSTER DRUMMERS.....my personal faves.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 22:29:47 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

Anyone finding the guestbook slooowwwwww loading this afternoon? Just wondering????


Posted on Fri Aug 3 22:07:38 CEST 2001 from 1cust134.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.134)

HI

What the hell? Did Mr.Viney offend the substance abusers some how?


Posted on Fri Aug 3 21:50:32 CEST 2001 from dhcp21588.sunyocc.edu (198.242.215.88)

Freddie Funk

From: UndermyBiminiTop

TOMMY!!! Hey there guy.. Well it sure does sound like you had fun last night in old B-Town.. Lots of my fellow college students back in my Syracuse University days came from Brooklyn.. God these guys and gals could drink. One night back in 74 I had the pleasure of meeting up with Dan Hicks after a show at the famous Jaberwockey.. He'd gone on down to the Orange Bar on Marshall St. for a nightcap. I had at the time some red devils in my pocket (remember those little bullets) Well I made the mistake of tellin Dan i had them and he asked me for one. I obliged and he pulled the little caps apart and poured the contents onto the palms of his hands and proceeded to lick up the substance.. I'll tell ya, a more fowl tastin substance hasn't been discovered yet.. Dan H. didn't seem to mind though.. The last time I saw him he was kinda singin to himself and doin a kind of zig zag serpentine walk down M street.. I'll tell ya those sure were the good old days.. Something tells me that if Rick was there he woulda been challenging Dan to who could zig zag the best.. See Mr. Vinney,,, This is the kinda fun you should be having on a regular basis evn in 2001.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 21:34:36 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

mmmm...Foghat...

Slow ride....take it easy...

Now I'm gonna have to go find some Nazareth or Thin Lizzy. Maybe some Ronnie Montrose. Damn.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 20:40:39 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tg071.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.181)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY

Fred Funk,,,"Shitfaced drunk"???,hey, this is a RESPECTABLE GB!!!

(Did I mention I was out drinking last night and had 6 big glasses of Jack on the rocks?I wasn't shitfaced, but I sure felt fine!)


Posted on Fri Aug 3 20:23:50 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-td063.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.178)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa
Web page

Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks are playing on "Mountain Stage" right now ( 2:00 PM Eastern ) on WFUV. You can access the station at the link above. Enjoy.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 19:59:03 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Drummer Bernard Purdie is featured on the Steely Dan "Classic Album: Aja" video (available on DVD). In several segments, Fagan & Brecker recreate some of the songs from the album with the original session players, including Mr. Purdie. During the "Home At Last" segment he sits at his drum kit and illustrates how he plays his famous "Purdie shuffle".

Bernard Purdie and bassist Chuck Rainey were the "A-Team" rhythm section session players in New York City from the mid '60s through the early '70s. In an interview with "Bass Player" magazine in June 1998, they explained how their sympathetic approach helped their playing gel together.

Of Mr. Purdie's syle, Mr. Rainey explained: "Bernard always played with a lot of power and intensity, and -- more important -- plenty of nuance. Most drummers played a set beat that demanded you go with them; Bernard was flexible. The subdivisions in his grooves awakened a similar feel in me. He gave me so much to play off that no matter what I did it worked."

In explaining this nuanced, multi-layered approach to drumming, Mr. Purdie explained: "The key is applying a half-time feel to the music. That frees me up to add the flavor of eighth-note, triplet and 16th-note subdivisions on the upbeats, which really fattens the groove. Chuck insinctively felt that and locked into it."

The famous "Purdie (or implied) shuffle" can be traced back to "growing up listening to New Orleans rag, funk and march grooves", according to Mr. Purdie.

Those of you familiar with The Band's "Classic Album" video may recall that Levon illustrated in some detail how he applied a similiar "half-time" approach on several Band songs. To this day, with his recent performances with the Barnburners, Levon still continues to put on a clinic in the art of drumming, playing with both power and nuance like "Pretty" Purdie.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 19:42:41 CEST 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

From: Rochester, NY (soon to be Berkeley, CA)

Dan B: word is that Leonard Cohen has come down from the mountain and is living in LA -- will have a new album out by the end of the year.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 19:26:25 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

From: CT

Crabby: Jam Music just gave Nicky Love's new disc a four star review. They haven't released it yet, but it is getting some early praise. This recent review said the following: "Robbie Robertson picked her, so she must be good. Right?? Absolutely!.....It's exotic,playful and inventive."


Posted on Fri Aug 3 18:59:17 CEST 2001 from abby18.revealed.net (208.16.227.209)

Mike

From: Midwest

I was making some cdr's for my brother Wednesday and I am turning him onto music he's never heard before. Why not The Band?! So, I made a copy of the "Greatest Hits" with a few changes...I dropped "Pepote Rouge" and added "Georgia" and then dropped "Time To Kill" and added "Don't Do It" (it was a hit too!). In my opinon, that's an even stronger selection! Ya know, he really enjoyed The Band cd too! He asked me today if Ray Charles was in The Band?! Okay, I knew right away what he meant...Richard Manuel! Ya gotta love that! I had to explain to him that the singer in quesion wasn't Ray, but Richard. "Oh yeah, well I think he's the best singer that they have" he said. And he'd never even heard of The Band before, but he recognized "The Weight" when he heard it. I think we have a convert here...Big Pink, Brown Album, Stage Fright, Rock Of Ages? Where do we go from here folks? I'd really like him to hear how great they were in a live setting. I'll have to give him a rundown of The Band. Maybe he ought to come here to this site. Also, I think a reading of This Wheel's On Fire might suffice as well. I've created a monster! Peace Mike


Posted on Fri Aug 3 17:51:13 CEST 2001 from dhcp21588.sunyocc.edu (198.242.215.88)

FRED FUNK

From: FISHERMON,notgolfermon

Peter Viney: Do you ever go out and just get shitfaced drunk? Just to relax a bit??


Posted on Fri Aug 3 17:41:52 CEST 2001 from spider-tk052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.197)

Donna

From: PA

I could not believe this line up for The Pocono Classic Rock Rally, August 18th & 19th! Levon & The Barn Burners, Little Feat, Dickey Betts, Nils Lofgren, Edgar Winter, Foghat, Canned Heat, and Rare Earth! For ticket information, 800.468.2442 or www.jackfrostbigboulder.com

Happy Belated Birthday to Garth Hudson! You have been an musical inspiration to so many!


Posted on Fri Aug 3 16:53:10 CEST 2001 from sqd40.nirai.ne.jp (202.239.129.43)

Fred

From: where the pineapples grow
Web page

In case anyone is interested there is a rather lengthy, but good article posted at www.salon.com about the "George Harrison is dying" rumour (to put it mildly) that was circulating in the press last month. Makes you think what ever happened to responsible journalism (or is that an oxymoron?!?!). by the way, has anyone in the GB ever had "run-ins" with the press (e.g. misquoted, wrong info printed, etc.)?

On a lighter note...I've never had strawberry wine, but have partaken in the sipping (guzzling) of pineapple wine. It wasn't as sweet as I expected it to be. That said, though, nothing can beat a nice glass of Bianco di Custoza, Valpolicella or Bardolino (Italian wines from the area around Verona) or some sake from Kyushu.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 16:13:05 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-095.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.95)

Peter Viney

As Shakespeare once said, ‘We few. We happy few. We BAND of brothers.’ (Henry V). Not to exclude sisters. Great whole page review of Music from Big Pink in the September 2001 “Uncut” by Beatles expert Ian Macdonald, in the “Classic Album” feature. The cover disc includes the remastered ‘Chest Fever’ as well as selections from the new Mercury Rev, Prefab Sprout (my favourite track ‘Wild Card in the Pack’), Lucinda Williams, Laura Nyro, Delbert McLinton. Getting a track on a cover disc in the UK costs money. Glad to see Capitol are promoting.

“Big Pink became the most influential record of its time- probably the most influential in rock history - played with a clipped insistence on the right notes and sang like lost souls capering around a backwoods campfire. This was grown-up music – Austere yet fascinating, enduringly impressive both as an aesthetic manifesto and a wonderfully understated display of controlled artistry.” (Ian Macdonald) – you can’t say fairer than that.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 16:02:23 CEST 2001 from (199.165.138.96)

Paul Schoninger

From: Lexington, KY

Does anyone know anything about Levon's involvement in Corkey Lang's book on the group "Mountain". Supposedly, Levon writes the forward. Take care.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 12:54:47 CEST 2001 from (195.50.58.63)

Morten Vindberg

From: Denmark
Web page

I'm have been searching for the lyrics and chords for "Share Your Love With Me" - Does anyone know if they can be found? Morten


Posted on Fri Aug 3 08:34:46 CEST 2001 from lsanca1-ar21-4-43-218-253.vz.dsl.gtei.net (4.43.218.253)

Dan Blood

My generic Excite homepage listed birthdays of today. Garth was on there. Happy birthday Garth! May I suggest that Terry Gross of National Public Radio do an in depth interview with you and your new cd. Get lots of exposure that way.

Leonard Cohen has been living on top of a mountain just north of Pomona, California with a group of Buddist Monks. Shaved heads, orange clothing. The mountain is called Mt. Baldy and has a long wire tramway down to the bottom. I'd imagine birds sit on that wire. Maybe he could also write a "when I get offa this mountain" song, if and when he ever comes down. Wonder if he's got a Sony Viao laptop up there?


Posted on Fri Aug 3 04:26:32 CEST 2001 from pm456-43.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.101)

twilight

From: ann arbor, mi

I saw Pretty Purdie when he was playing with Aretha Franklin in '93. He is a great player - excellent bullshiter as well. Bob W - you may just find out who the fifth Beatle really was....Anybody out there know the direct connection between Bob Dylan and the Yardbirds? Hint - it's not Eric Clapton or the fact that the Yardbirds recorded at least one Dylan tune (Most Likely You'll Go Your Own Way and I'll go miiiiiiiiiiiine.)If anyone is in the market for a new release - I highly recommend the new Gillian Welch release called Time (The Revelator). Thanks for the sweet dreams Garth - bless you and all the noise you make. Phenominal.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 05:01:47 CEST 2001 from 1cust52.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.54.52)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

See? The Guestbook has improved 100% now that everyone's pretty much agreeing on everything!! Enjoyed the recent pancake and wine posts. I think I'll make it a perfect evening by thumbing through the latest issue of Better Homes & Gardens and taking a short nap before going to bed.

Can life get any better than this?


Posted on Fri Aug 3 04:17:48 CEST 2001 from ac8d38c4.ipt.aol.com (172.141.56.196)

J. Patrick Crain

From: Oklahoma City

Thanks for the responses to the Al Kooper post. On a similar note, I just found a used Ron Wood/Bo Diddley Live at the Ritz CD that is way out of print. I snatched it up for five bucks and let me tell you sumpin'! It rocks!!!! Speaking of Ron Wood, I got my Rick Danko (1977) CD in the mail this weeked from the good folks at Sam Goody.com (Ron Wood contributes guitar to What a Town). I have listened to it several times and I must say that I think it's a few steps better than Levon Helm and the RCO All Stars (I run hot and cold on LV&TRCOAS but I am waiting for his other three CDs go I can give them a spin). Sip the Wine still breaks my heart (only because Rick's wasted, sad, exhausted image from the Last Waltz is burned into my memory and I cannot hear that song without thinking about it) and I think New Mexicoe is about as good as anything off of the Band's Islands. Finally, about the Last Waltz, does anyone know if Robbie is going to keep the Last Waltz two discs or is he going to expand it to three? If my calculations are correct, he can fit about another half hour worth of stuff onto the remaining CD and not have to expand it. From what I have read on this site, there might only be a half hour's worth of stuff worth releasing ("Don't Do It" is one). And it would be nice to release the "Weight" as it is in the movie (I'm not too fond of the redubbed version released on the CD as Rick doesn't hit the two falsetto notes that he does in the film version). Any thoughts about this? Happy belated birthday to Garth Hudson! As my wife (21 and new to the cooler music scene) and I were watching the Last Waltz last night (for me, the umpteenth time), I causally mentioned that the Band could play 17 or so instruments amongst themselves. "Oh, yeah?" she asked. "And how many of those does Garth play?"


Posted on Fri Aug 3 03:38:39 CEST 2001 from akcf2.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.200)

Rod

From: NZ
Web page

Union Man, I'll be kind and assume you are being ironic. Garth almost certainly saved the later couple of Band albums in the '70s.

I tried Strawberry Wine once and it was OK. Not the sort of thing I'd drink to much of though. The song on the other hand is right up there with Rag Mama Rag and has some great accordion and one of Rick's best bass parts.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 02:35:15 CEST 2001 from 33-pool1.ras10.inind.tii-dial.net (206.148.224.33)

jon

From: Missouri

What would be a good CD purchase to introduce myself to the pre Band Hawks period?


Posted on Fri Aug 3 02:14:17 CEST 2001 from spider-wk083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.188)

JTULL Fan

From: Richmond

ON THE WINE THREAD: This is strictly a subjective opinion, but I always drink the good stuff first (Virginia has 63 wineries within are borders, and some are excellent. Unfortunately, state liquor laws make it difficult for small wineries to ship over state lines. I try try to drink locally produced beer and wine to support the winery and microbrewery efforts)After a good vintage bottle, I usually move on to the cheaper stuff I can pick up at the Winn-Dixie or Food Lion. My wife and I and friends go to a lot of wine tastings and tours and usually the people we talk to do the same; once you catch a buzz you can't appreciate the good stuff so you move down a notch. However, we avoid the really raunchy stuff like Gallo, etc. Strawberry wine to me is too sweet, and anything sweet will get me sick before I get drunk. It is true American's palate tends to the sweet in wine. While touring Tarara Winery in Northern Virginia several weeks ago the Winemaster said some American wines have as much as 12% post-fermentation sugar (!)These, fortuanately, can be identified and avoided, usually being the 'blush'style wines. I have a theory that the strawberry and Georgia peach style varieties probably gained poplularity during prohibition, when wine had to be made from handy ingredients closeby. Any comments?


Posted on Fri Aug 3 01:42:06 CEST 2001 from modem-105-19-60-62.vip.uk.com (62.60.19.105)

union man

I can't remember if I've said this before or not, but Garth Hudson doesn't half balls up later Band records. They were better when they were young and tight - but then aren't we all.


Posted on Fri Aug 3 00:51:33 CEST 2001 from m198214181246.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.246)

Pehr

Best wishes to Mr. Garth for a happy birthday and continued good health and success! with great appreciation!


Posted on Thu Aug 2 23:17:38 CEST 2001 from 1cust64.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net (63.20.247.64)

Bonnie

From: va

Jay Winik's book "April 1865,the Month That Saved America", more than adequately describes the world inhabited by The Band's Virgil Cane. If a great history book always reads like a novel this qualifies as one. Highly recommended."

" If I remember correctly my first recollection of the Band was a coca cola commercial for the olympics using the Weight as background music. Question, Who is the group providing the music for the Toyota Camry commercial on TV.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 23:04:58 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

The world according to Garth has no musical boundaries. All types of music flow as one into The Sea To The North, a vast ocean with an endless shoreline.

Best birthday wishes to the Man who sweetens the music with honey.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 22:41:03 CEST 2001 from spider-tl043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.193)

bob wigo~(the aspiring drummer)

From: havertown, pa

Thanks Dave. I'm going to check that out.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 22:24:44 CEST 2001 from spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.183)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

From: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Web page

Band related post:

Bob Wigo mentioned Bernard "Pretty" Purdie. Max Weinberg (who toured with Levon in the mid-eighties) wrote a fantastic book (in the mid-eighties) titled "The Big Beat." Included is a chapter devoted to "Pretty" AND another devoted to Levon Helm. Makes for interesting reading,,,especially for drummers and aspiring one's as well.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 22:08:35 CEST 2001 from as8-d145-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.186.145)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

"I don't believe in Zimmerman"

"I just believe in me"

"Yoko and me"



Posted on Thu Aug 2 21:59:58 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Cana

Dave Z: No, you're not the only one, it's been going on for centuries. Check out the story of Jesus' miracle at the wedding in Cana. After the party runs out of wine, he changes water into wine, and the steward says, "Most people serve the good stuff first and then break out the cheap wine, but you've saved the best for last!" (Paraphrased, of course.)


Posted on Thu Aug 2 21:56:02 CEST 2001 from 1cust143.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.54.143)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Garth-a, my main keyboard man -

you have always been

an inspiration.

(Crabgrass & McCartney)


Posted on Thu Aug 2 21:53:55 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

From: CT

John D: Great post about James Burton! I had my picture taken with him in March 2001....what a thrill! I got to watch him take a guitar solo immediately followed by a Robbie solo at the Hall Of Fame dinner. It was a true highlight!

Happy Birthday to Garth Hudson! Thanks for the great new record!


Posted on Thu Aug 2 21:07:43 CEST 2001 from spider-tj071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.206)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Peter V: I have a friend from Princeton, MN... and I'd kill for good bottles of his family's farm-made "chokecherry" and "dandelion" wine... makes for a good wash before jumping in cold MN water... btw am I the only one guilty of drinking a great bottle first and then moving on to the cheap stuff after the senses have been dulled?... you know what they say: "Lucky is the man who loves his 5 dollar bottle of wine"... and Strawberry Wine is one of my favs of the Band...

Happy happy to the music teacher of the band... It was a pleasure to see you perform on 12/29, shake you hand, and say my thanks... and today I'm enjoying "Sea" on the PC...


Posted on Thu Aug 2 20:36:47 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Mono Dave: Is there a Santa Claus, Va?


Posted on Thu Aug 2 20:33:21 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-01-45.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.108)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Mono Lake

Virginia and West Virginia has Barnburner shows coming up next weekend August 11 & 12th.

That's the state of Virginia not the girl.

East coast fans make plans.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 20:18:51 CEST 2001 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

From: New Mexico

Let me be the third to say I've been listening to Soul of A Man this week, and BEFORE the first post here. It is lots of fun, loads of great Jimmy Vivino moments, and a few John Sebastian, also. You know there's something goin' on. . and another friend of us all, Butch Dener, is at the Notodden Blues Festival in Norway with Al as we speak, hopefully not working too hard.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 20:12:10 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

bassmanlee: Your name and mention of Harvey Brooks makes me ask if you're any sort of expert on the guy's career. I ask because I have a couple of Dianne Brooks 45s that he produced for Verve in '66. One song is co-written by former Robertson band-mate Steve Kennedy, so I suppose he played on it, but have no idea who else. Any ideas as to who Harvey would have used? (This is soul stuff, a bit on the lush side.) Dianne Brooks, by the way, later recorded a superb version of "Small Town Talk", with Amos Garrett on guitar.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 19:40:37 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

I've never had strawberry wine, though maybe I'll try next year (my strawberries kicked ass this season, my first try).

As a kid, though (ok, teenager) we used to make wine out of crabapples we'd pick off the neighborhood trees. It was pretty rancid, but a good cheap buzz. I expect the distastefulness has more to do with my ineptitude as a winemaker than anything.

In college, as many of my friends were literary types, we did make some mead (wine from honey) in honor of Chaucer once (mead plays an important role in the Canterbury Tales). That was pretty tasty.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 19:37:39 CEST 2001 from atpm3-2-31.enter.net (208.137.243.87)

KZR

From: PA

Happy 64th Garth. Keep bringing us the gift of your great music.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 19:34:34 CEST 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Just had to respond to J. Patrick Crain's post because I was LISTENING TO Al Kooper's "Soul Of A Man" album when I read it. Besides another example of the great serendipity of the GB, it's a great overview of Al's varied recording career with great sidemen. And a varied career it has been - founder of Blood Sweat & Tears (who voted him out after their first LP), member of Blues Project, organist for Dylan, Stones sessions and others.

Band connections? Jimmy Vivino (who is a frequent guest with the Barn Burners) is all over "Soul" cited by Al as the reason he got back into recording around that time (1994). He used to sit in with Jimmy's band at a place called Downtime in NYC according to liner notes of an instrumental album called "ReKooperation" was released in '94 featuring Vivino and included appearances by Harvey Brooks, John Simon, John Sebastian and Johnnie Johnson! (Also was listening to a Larry Knechtel album earlier and I think he got a mention recently too...)



Posted on Thu Aug 2 18:37:43 CEST 2001 from hse-toronto-ppp262945.sympatico.ca (64.230.37.106)

brown eyed girl

From: cabbagetown

Gracious

An innovative Member Of The Band

Recorded "Sea To The North"

Talented Musician On Accordion, Keyboards, Organ, Synthesizers, Tenor And Soprano Sax

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

In honour of his special day I will be watching Garth playing accordion and keyboards on Marianne Faithfull's "Blazing Away" concert video......I get to enjoy as well Mac Rebennack (Dr.John), Lew Soloff, Marc Ribot and Fernando Saunders!


Posted on Thu Aug 2 18:35:43 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-172.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.172)

Peter Viney

Nothing tastes as sweet as my Strawberry Wine: you can make “wine” (or rather a fermented alcoholic drink) from any vegetable. My mother even used to make one from cold tea and lemons. I worked in a bar with a sculptor friend who made wine from bananas, carrots anything. Once he offered me a pale gold carrot wine, then a dark brown carrot wine. I asked him the difference, ‘I didn’t wash the carrots for the second’ was the answer. Here in Dorset, pubs sometimes sell “English country wines”. True pure elderberry wine is superb, but most English country wines are really a sweet, strong, syrupy apple wine heavily flavoured with a pulped fruit. And I saw strawberry wine on sale last week at Lulworth Cove, which would be this type. I’ve also had a German strawberry wine which was based on real white or rose wine – the result was very pink so you couldn’t tell. This was much lighter than the English ones, but still disgustingly sweet. I saw it in a supermarket and bought it because of the Band song. In essence, strawberry wine is a sticky beverage guaranteed to produce a splitting headache. Are such wines characteristic of the USA anywhere? I wonder because Levon also recorded “Sweet Peach Georgia Wine”, which in this case seems to represent the essence of the Sheriff’s daughter, rather than a beverage (The old Sheriff bust the door in, said ‘boy, you’ve been into my sweet peach Georgia wine …’)


Posted on Thu Aug 2 18:08:44 CEST 2001 from spider-tl043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.193)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

If, per chance, anyone here has a copy of any of Bernard Purdie's instructional videos for drummers please email. I am curious.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 17:56:57 CEST 2001 from spider-tf023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.183)

Amanda

From: SC

Happy Birthday Garth Hudson! You are truly a mystery and a visionary musical gift to us all!


Posted on Thu Aug 2 17:48:54 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

MattK: The Elvis's Rolls-Royce scenario sounds entertaining - like a cross between "Melvin and Howard" and "Repo-Man". I mentioned Oshawa's gift to rock and roll, Mars Bonfire, yesterday. I suppose the use of "Born To Be Wild" - in the sub-Brando minibike scene in the latter movie - added a bit to Mars's stash of cash.

That reminds me, when I worked in Oshawa in the early '80s I wandered into a musical instrument store, and there on the wall was a glossy picture of the original Jack London and the Sparrows, including Mars and future Springfielder Bruce Palmer. The picture had been there since '64, when the boys bought their strings there I guess.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 17:46:15 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

I'd like to suggest we celebrate Garth's birthday with haiku...

Garth's birthday a farce
Music fills his bones and soul
He never ages


Posted on Thu Aug 2 17:33:00 CEST 2001 from fw1.clari.com (204.141.88.254)

Richard Wall

Happy Birthday to Garth Hudson.
Thank you for your gentle soul,
boundless imagination
and incredible chops!

Many more . . .


Posted on Thu Aug 2 17:08:10 CEST 2001 from (164.156.231.55)

Little Brøther

From: the catacombs of Upper Darby, PA, USA

Buon’ Natal’, Maestro Garth!
How you’d brighten my hearth—
If I had one, I mean
Still, you jazz up my scene:
Music’s Polymath Prime on this Earth!


Posted on Thu Aug 2 16:53:36 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

The Elvis and Leonard Cohen threads have me thinking Was(not Was)'s last album. Cohen "sings" a song, a la Barry White called "Elvis' Rolls Royce" in which the narrator is picked up in Elvis' limo and driven to outer space. It's pretty funny actually. I miss Was(not Was) - proof of life in the 1980s.

John D - It was just a joke. Things were a bit awkward there for a minute and I was just trying to lighten things up a bit. No offense intended. The second post was a direct response to Ragtime's and Steve Knowlton's observations about bad computer translations.

Craig, dude, take a chill pill. It's a bit hypocritical to come in swinging an ego-sized bat around and criticizing the self-indulgence of others. Instead of assuming everyone wants to flame you, why not participate in good faith?

Maybe if you didn't come in with hostility, you wouldn't assume everyone else is looking to be hostile towards you. Just a thought. After all you did "say" you were an old school Toronto music scene guy. I wasn't questioning your veracity, just speaking plainly. Yet you reacted pretty defensively. I suggest that says more about your mindset than mine. Just another thought.

I need a smoke...

Matt


Posted on Thu Aug 2 16:24:01 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-td064.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.179)

bob wigo

From: havertown, pa

In my effort to learn to play drums I have been actively scouring my collection and listening to some music that I had set aside over the past few years. With the recent passing of John Lee Hooker I was reminded of his collaborations with Van Morrison on "Too Long In Exile". He does a few songs with Van but the one that I find absolutely riveting is "Wasted Years". Just thought I'd share a nice re-discovery.

I have been a Johnny Rivers fan for a very long time. He's covered damn near everyone at one time or another and has given wonderful treatment to countless tunes.His "Mountain of Love" stands as one of my all time favorite songs. Interesting that the very first song on his first LP, "The Sensational Johnny Rivers" , is "Long Black Veil".

To that point, I have always looked forward to and enjoyed hearing one artist's interpretation of another's music. I always feel a bit disappointed if a live performance doesn't include at least one good cover. I am curious to hear of "live" covers some of the GBers have experienced and enjoyed. Back to "Mountain of Love" -- I heard Springsteen play it back in 1972 at Widener College and it was magnificent. He also did a rousing version of "You Can't Sit Down" on his last tour that had everyone dancing in the aisles. There have been countless moments like that and I would enjoy hearing some of yours if you are so inclined.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 16:03:42 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Gardening is an approved topic for conversation here, I believe. Unless that's Dylan and not Robbie noodling "English Country Garden" at the start of the Live '66 CD, in which case we may need a vote. (Speaking of which, is there anyone here from Florida?)


Posted on Thu Aug 2 15:32:24 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

A great pairing courtesy the oldies station on the drive to work this morning: "I Fought The Law" followed by "The Weight". Magic! Maybe Richard was put on this earth just to sing the word 'free' in that song.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 15:21:02 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

A couple days ago we were discussing "Strawberry Wine," and I was just wondering, has anybody ever had it? (The beverage, I mean.) How does it taste?

We had a nice strawberry patch going this summer, but the birds got to the fruit before we could. Our jalapenos are thriving, though.

So what's in your garden this summer?


Posted on Thu Aug 2 14:28:02 CEST 2001 from i153-154.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.154)

Nancy

From: Australia

For Peter and anyone else interested:

I've just finished reading “The Life and Myth of Charmian Clift” which contains brief mention of the humble first performance of Leonard Cohen. Charmian and her husband George Johnson, were expatriate Australian authors who lived on the Greek islands of Kalymnos and Hydra from 1954 - 1964.

To quote: “In this summer of 1960, visitors to Hydra included a poor young Canadian poet and folk guitarist named Leonard Cohen, who gave his first formal concert at Katsika’s grocery store. Concerned about his poverty, the Johnsons had him stay for some time in the spare room; later, when he managed to find a cheap house to rent, Charmian and George gave him a large work table, a bed and pots and pans for his new home”.

The source of this trivial snippet is referenced as “Various Positions: A Life of Leonard Cohen” by Ira Bruce Nadel.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 14:28:29 CEST 2001 from as7-d162-sc-psci.psci.net (63.75.26.162)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Tommy: MMM, mmmm, MMM. Elvis pancakes? I'll have to give that a try sometime.



Posted on Thu Aug 2 12:32:36 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-101.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.101)

Peter Viney

Craig: Wasn’t it Thomas Hobbes who said, ‘A Monarch receiveth counsell of whom, when and where he pleaseth” (Leviathan, page opened at random, can’t be f***ed to look up the date, 16 -something). And I admit to making fun of people. Lighten up. Tell us more about the Toronto scene in the early 60s –I was also interested in this reaction to the Hawks joining Dylan.

The thing about the GB is that some people have been chatting to each other for a long time, maybe up to 4 or 5 years. New people come in all the time. Sometimes old regulars breeze into town for a week or so (Donald Joseph recently). The Band is the starting point that brings in people deeply interested in music and we have a pretty wide-ranging set of tastes, the Band being the point where they intersect. So someone’ll mention an artist, and we’ll probably pitch in with an opinion because we like discussing music, and we’re interested in the opinions of the people here. Crabgrass doesn’t like The Beach Boys. I don’t like The Doors …

You connect Dylan, Young and Cohen as having terrible voices for example. You won’t get flamed (I hope), but you might get answered. All have played with Band members at some time. “Dylan opened up the world of music for people who couldn’t sing” – interesting topic. We’ve done it before, but no doubt we’ll do it again. My wife can’t stand more than a bar of Neil Young singing ANYTHING, likening his voice to fingernails on a blackboard, which is why I only listen to him in the car. Robbie Robertson might well be mentioned in this context (and I’ll disagree). Leonard Cohen was the dull drone of bad, miserable folkie parties, but his 1980s stuff is pretty damn good. I’m just reading the biography of Tom Jones (which is excellent on the British beat scene in the early 60s, which interests me as much as the TO scene interests Craig) and one of the main objections he hit early on from promoters was that he had too good a voice, which had become unfashionable by 1965.

The latest Mojo Collections (Paul Weller on the cover) has a review of early 60s British live recordings. Fascinating stuff on Zoot Money (whose band I’ve compared with The Hawks), Georgie Fame etc. Both Sonny Boy Williamson sessions are mentioned – The Animals and The Yardbirds, who Sonny Boy must have been talking about when he told The Hawks, “Those British guys want play the blues so bad, and they do.” (or whatever in TLW). The other side comes here inevitably – Sonny Boy was drunk, was unable to read so couldn’t follow the set list, and would call out a key and play in another. Worth looking at the article – but having seen the disastrous results of pairing American blues stars with British blues groups myself (see Charles Shaar Murray’s book on John Lee Hooker), I’d tend to the opinion that both sides were playing on different planets.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 12:02:31 CEST 2001 from grmn-189ppp90.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.90)

Diamond Lil

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GARTH!
"Friends are forever"
With all our love..D,S,J&J


Posted on Thu Aug 2 11:24:19 CEST 2001 from mkc-65-26-143-24.kc.rr.com (65.26.143.24)

Lisa Davis

Web page

Great Site.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 09:32:48 CEST 2001 from spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.183)

Eleanora

••• Happy Birthday & Best Wishes To Garth Hudson! •••


Posted on Thu Aug 2 09:23:34 CEST 2001 from sqd40.nirai.ne.jp (202.239.129.43)

Fred

From: a bit of coral in a emerald sea

Mike C. (from Georgia): thanks for that info on Al Kooper and Mike Bloomfield re. The Weight.

Just flicked on the TV and lo and behold a Japanese Elvis impersonator...ah the wonders of state run Japanese TV (good to see my taxes aren't going wasted!!!) Actually, this particular programme has various Japanese singers doing a variety of North American Pop/Rock songs from the 60s,70s & 80s. I'm still waiting for someone to sing something by The Band. Blowing In The Wind did get sung a while back by some husky voiced chanteuse, usually it's a lot of Carpenters stuff (THEY RULE!!--at least in Japan they do!!!) Maybe I should star flooding NHK (Japan's equivalent of the BBC or the CBC) with Band requests!!! Speaking of Japanese TV many times during celebrity interviews, silly questions get asked, like "If you could be an insect what insect would you be?" (which I witnessed/heard many years ago during the interview of some Japanese actor), so keeping this spirit of international silliness alive, IF the members of the Band were trees, what trees would they be?

My guess would be 4 maples with Levon being an honOURary Maple--but that's just my Canadian pride getting the best of me.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 08:50:16 CEST 2001 from 1cust91.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.54.91)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

I think that GB posters should only post opinions that other posters will agree with - thus more interesting and civil discussions will ensue.

Having said that, I think we can all agree that smoking is not conducive to good health (Levon's bout with throat cancer - should you need a Band link.) and those GBers who haven't yet quit should request the jpeg of RR not smoking immediately so this website can be certified as a smoke-free cyberspace.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 08:19:40 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tc033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.163)

Big Dan

From: da bronx

Hey Dave--I have a violin given to my wife by a guy who use to play in the Philly Philharmonic that is signed by a guy called Steiner--I understand that if it is authentic that it is valuable-do you know anything about Steiner violins?


Posted on Thu Aug 2 06:16:06 CEST 2001 from spider-tm023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.53)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY

I once made pancakes with crushed bananas and peanut butter in the mix and it was Mmmmm-Mmmmmm Good!!!!


Posted on Thu Aug 2 06:04:05 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ti062.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.177)

Kevin Brown

From: points west

I must second the Johnny Rivers endorsments as he has been a favorite most of my life after first hearing him on my parents records in the 60's. Anybody else think he belongs in RRHOF? Very few can match his track record in so many different aspects of the music business.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 05:31:21 CEST 2001 from cache-mtc-af01.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.102)

J. Patrick Crain

From: Oklahoma City

Just picked up a used copy of Al Kooper's "Soul of a Man" double CD. I think it's awesome! Anybody else heard it or have any thoughts on it? Just to link this post to the Band, I was searching for the two Levon Helm CDs I don't yet own and, as most people know, Al Kooper played with Dylan and the Hawks (I think Levon talks about Al getting pelted with someting thrown by an irate fan during one of Dylan's first electric gigs).


Posted on Thu Aug 2 05:27:27 CEST 2001 from spider-wo082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.57)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Hank-I agree, that 3 card Monty song by The ABB was a good tune, and I believe it was released as a single over on this side of the pond, but I don't think it charted.I'm certain someone around here can tell us. Many years and many spent brain cells may distort my memory's chronology of events here, but as I recall-The ABB kind of fell apart in the late 70's, then in 81 made a suprise comeback with Enlightened Rogues, a not bad album with several very good songs on it. Chuck Leavell was gone, and one of Dickey betts' buddies, Dan Toler, was on guitar. I think, but may be incorrect, that Win Lose or Draw was next, also not a bad effort. They then went into a rather long decline, put out some mediocre albums and mediocre shows, then rebounded strong, as a touring unit at least, in the late 80's with the release of their box, entitled Dreams. Around 90, they took on those 2 Govt Mule guys, put out a good album-Where It All Began-and have been touring heavy ever since. Not much recording, and they have had incredibly numerous personnel changes, but they sure are popular on the road. Dickey betts new album was just released a few days ago, anyone have any reports on it? By the way, Hank, did you ever score a copy of Clara & Renaldo?


Posted on Thu Aug 2 05:01:16 CEST 2001 from (146.178.26.8)

Michael

From: Melbourne

John D, sorta glad Realiazation is some one else's favorite, like J. Rivers or not (I do) this is a magnificent album, how could it not be with James & all those other great LA studio musicians of the day, the organ on this set comes a close in quality to Garth as any I have ever heard. Rgds


Posted on Thu Aug 2 03:38:05 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Michael from Melbourne. Great Point! I forgot all about that album; which surprises me, since it was one of my favorites.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 03:33:41 CEST 2001 from dialup-071.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.71)

HANK

From: CORK
Web page

Now, now, let's not be so hard on Craig, there....it takes a while to get the swing of this place...as we all know!!!!......The thing to do here is to not insult anybody or point out how you feel the forum is futile or useless...it is most certainly a wonderful place for folks to groove on about great music played or somehow linked to The Band.....It's great to know that folks were as pissed off with The Hawks for joining Bob as they were at Bob for working with a rock'n'roll band.........

In fairness, I always TRY to mention SOMETHING about The Band in my posts but I'm not afraid to ask or state something that has NOTHING to do with The Band whatsoever.....like the following.....

'Louisiana Lou and Three-Card Monty John' by The Allman Brothers Band.....a Dickey Betts song from 'Win, Lose or Draw'......kiler song....great playing...rocking.......was it a hit?...sounds like a hit in the way 'Blue Sky' and 'Ramblin' Man' were hits....(OK OK 'Blue Sky' wasn't a hit single, I know, I know.....but y'all know what I mean).........

see Craig?.......Chances are someone will come back and discuss the hows and whys of that song and relate it to The Band somehow.....or maybe not......I mean, the other night I mentioned how Joan Baez wiped herself clean a US flag after having sex with.....'cos I read a Bob Dylan quote.....and as you know, Joan had a top ten hit with ' The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down'......but no-one picked up on it.....and so onto The Beach Boys....or 'Big Pink'......or Crabby sending doctored jpg files....I mean, it's not as if we're in school doing projects and reports....no-one is chasing grades here....and if they THINK they are or if they want to score points...they's in the wrong GB........

Dylan, Young and Cohen all have wonderfully expressive voices.......they might not have the range of Paul McCartney or of Art Garfunkel but they are instantly recognisable..........


Posted on Thu Aug 2 03:01:46 CEST 2001 from (146.178.26.8)

Michael

From: Melbourne

John D. Re James B, if you get the chance listen to James backing John Rivers singing Dylans Positivly 4th Street on 'Realiazation'. Regards


Posted on Thu Aug 2 02:30:08 CEST 2001 from as9-d105-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.187.105)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Whatever?

Wow, my wife's female, 13-year-old cousin is fond of saying that.

You know, some people have come in here in the past attempting to rile up my temper or get on my nerves. I come here to discuss MUSIC with people who SHARE my interest in one of the greatest BANDS ever!

I have made, and hope to make more, friends here in the GB, and I enjoy reading posts from others about The Band, as well as other artists. or any other topic any individual might care to discuss.

Still, others come in here and try (often successfully) to stir the anger of other visitors who would otherwise just rather discuss music in a laid back, open, friendly manner.

This is the last I will say about Craig. I find your attitude snobish, hostile, and quite frankly, pointless.

Why people like you have to come in here and disrupt other's discussions here with your crappy attitudes is beyond me.

If you don't like what you read here, don't come here and read. Sometimes I don't like certain things I read here, but I've learned to ignore it, like a civilized person. That is UNTIL YOU CAME ALONG CRAIG.

And now, I intend to return to ignoring your posts here, because frankly I think YOUR posts are a waste of space.

Indeed, WHATEVER.

With all do respect to other GB-er's, I would now like to return to discussions about The Band, Brian Wilson, and whatever else.

How's this for a topic: Which GB-er has the best pancake recipe?

How's that for fresh?

John


Posted on Thu Aug 2 02:03:46 CEST 2001 from cr505487-a.glph1.on.wave.home.com (24.156.103.95)

Craig

From: Toronto

Good post,Pat,but James Burton sure does belong on a Band/Hawks Board. He was regarded by many in TO during the 60's as the "founding father" of the Telecaster Toronto Sound so perfected by Robbie, Troiano, Keeler, Mckenna and more. I actually remember Kelly Jay, ex of Crowbar saying the exact thing way way back during those days.

Knockin' Lost John- .....whatever.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 01:49:30 CEST 2001 from cf3k-3.lqy.tsnz.net (203.98.21.43)

ajr

From: Philosophy 101

thesis + antithesis = synthesis
The Hawks + Dylan = the Band


Posted on Thu Aug 2 01:47:31 CEST 2001 from grmn-189ppp245.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.245)

Diamond Lil

The comment made about some folks in here trying to impress others by their language skills or intellect or whatever is something I've never encountered myself (and I've been here once or twice :-) If I've ever read a post that I didn't fully understand, I've e-mailed the person who posted it.. and have always gotten a clear explanation of what I didn't understand. I never once got the impression that anyone was deliberately trying to talk over my head, nor has anyone failed to be nice enough to explain something I didn't understand. Thanks to all of you for that. And a hug to my dear friend John..just because ..

Have a nice night everyone.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 01:32:28 CEST 2001 from 1cust71.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.112.71)

HI

Answer:Paul Butterfield........Pat, excellent points expressed well...


Posted on Thu Aug 2 01:13:16 CEST 2001 from user-33qt828.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.72)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Craig, respectfully, some of the GB posters are trying only to impress people who gather here with their language skills and knowledge of minutiae, at least according to you? Go ahead and think what you want. I have to admit I've never had that thought.

Of course, you'll notice that Canadian John Donabie followed your second post with an informative, heart-felt description of his interview with James Burton. His post, at least according to your rules, doesn't belong here. I'm gonna guess that most of us think it does.

To me, at least, the Band represents a lot more than tobaccie, as you put it. I believe it was 4/5ths of the Hawks who were playing behind Mr. Terrible Voice, and there were plenty of oblique literary allusions in that show. As to the Band, I'd argue that Garth Hudson is an absolute universe of oblique musical references. Robbie Robertson was and is an inveterate reader, and his lyrics obviously reflect this. I'd also think that Robertson's reference to George Stoneman is as oblique as mine is to Hegel (the Marx thing that made you laugh), but both, if you dig a bit, serve their purpose. I'm sorry if Hegel provides an interesting explanation for the incredible inspiration that resulted in the first three Band albums followed by the group's eventual demise. If I'm burdened with an undue familiarity with 19th century political philosophy, or for that matter an undue familiarity with the American Civil War, do you think I shouldn't bring that knowledge to this table for fear of appearing, I don't know, smart or something? That's absurd.

Al Kooper heard elements of The Beach Boys in Music From Big Pink. It's in his review in the Library section on this site. That would seem to be a legit point of discussion, at least to me.

I've enjoyed the recent posts about the Toronto music scene, even though some have only tenuous Band threads. Probably similiar threads to your Cold Blood/Commander Cody encounter. I welcome them, as I whole-heartedly welcome discussing your distress with the Hawks seemingly abandonment of their R&B roots when they went with Dylan. From the stuff I've heard, and from observations from people like you who were there, they had a killer R&B thing happening. So, what do you think The Hawks would have done if they hadn't met Dylan? Would there be a place somewhere in the music world for their R&B thing? Or, in the long run, was it worth it for them to turn their backs on The Hawks' thing and jump onto Dylan's ship, to emerge from the basement as The Band?


Posted on Thu Aug 2 01:01:57 CEST 2001 from 1cust128.tnt4.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.110.128)

HI

From: Shameless trivia quiz

I once was walking along Tinker Street and a car pulled over across the street then a woman ran up to the car yelling Garth,oh Garth....the guy who opened the door for her looked at me laughing.........he just grew a full beard.....


Posted on Thu Aug 2 00:38:32 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-te071.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.181)

James

From: New York
Web page

Mr. Helm is the finest example of musical talent my youth has to offer. PEACE, James


Posted on Thu Aug 2 00:35:59 CEST 2001 from as7-d53-sc-psci.psci.net (63.75.26.53)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

You know, I've been trying to stay away from controversial topics in here, but....

I've been reading Craig's posts, and I was wondering if someone else in here (MattK, Bill, anybody) could tell me what the hell he is talking about?

But please, Craig, don't try to explain it yourself, 'cause I don't have the time to read a novel-length GB post, especially one that meanders more than the Amazon.

Anyway, that last post was really annoying. I stopped half way through, and thought "What the hell is this guy's problem?"

Regardless, I think he's taking this whole GB thing a little too seriously.

There, I've said my part,

John


Posted on Thu Aug 2 00:29:36 CEST 2001 from cf3k-3.lqy.tsnz.net (203.98.21.43)

ajr

From: NZ

According to the GB FAQs "the guestbook at The Band web site is a totally open forum, anyone can post whatever they want."

It does not say this GB is only to be used by English speaking people who have met or knew various band members. Nor does it say GB posters should try to guess what writers other GB posters may be familiar with and only refer to those writers.I find tongue in cheek references to obscure trivia and Band related tangents interesting, fun and frequently educational. There is a community happening here and thats what keeps me coming back.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 00:11:03 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

MATTK.....Enough. IIlka and I got our feelings out and that's the end of that. I don't have any ill-feelings for anyone. It was just an opinion from two different sides.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 00:05:24 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

The word I was searching for when talking about James Burton....and it just arrived to my forgetful brain....is his great humility; for someone who has achieved such greatness in Rock and Roll. How, he was touched so deeply about going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is something that he fill forever cherish.


Posted on Thu Aug 2 00:01:56 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

I spoke for a half hour today with James Burton. When I called, I got his wife and she went to call him to the phone. When he eventually came to the phone he was really out of breath. I could sense he had been running. He apologized for keeping me waiting and explained he was outside working on the house. Man! What a wonderful, giant of Rock 'n' Roll. When he caught his breath we took a walk down memory lane from the days of Dale Hawkins (Ronnie's cousin) to the present. His wonderful affection for the late Ricky Nelson. James was only 17 when he did that blistering great guitar solo on "Believe What You Say." He's coming to Toronto along with the TCB band, The Sweet Inspirations and others to perform "Live" while Elvis is on a giant screen. This has been touring for about three years now with people astounded how well it works. Wouldn't you know that the only reason I'm going is to watch Mr. Burton. A Life Long Dream. I mentioned different guitar players and he really didn't comment. What he did perk up for was his deep, deep fondness to Levon Helm who he had worked with before. Mr. Burton had absolutely no ego at all. What a refreshing change from so many people in show business. He also had a very deep affection for Elvis and thought he was truly a gentleman and a very kind man. The first time they spoke on the phone it was for over two hours. Anyway. It was a wonderful experience that I won't soon forget.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 23:34:34 CEST 2001 from cr505487-a.glph1.on.wave.home.com (24.156.103.95)

Craig

From: Toronto

My respectful replies to: Pat Brennan- the purpose of any Board set up for an artist is to offer an arena to fans of that artist to express their likes and dislikes with the art created, to join in on a mutual fraternity type atmosphere related to loving and/or repecting the artist. It isn't to constantly try to impress other contributors with one's intellect or language skills or both. (I'm reminded of the current Canadian TV ad where the speed of the internet is featured as a guy is trying to impress a girl over the phone about his knowledge of deep literary works. He of course is quickly surfing the net to supply himself with answers to impress her.) Or to, with tongue seemingly planted firmly in cheek, try and include totally unrelated but seemingly impressive sounding bits of trivia or name drop obscure individuals to see if anyone picks up on it. I assume that's the purpose as I can't fathom what else would be the purpose. I admit no such thing as "to making fun of people." That's a defensive observation on your part. I do admit to chuckling as I recall Levon taking a chaw of "tobaccie" in London Ont some years back and you dropping Karl Marx or whoever the other guy is, into a converstation about the Band. The Boyz were much more like the chaw remark than your reference. At least they were. And that leads me to another admission that WILL get me flamed. I really enjoy and respect The Band BUT my roots are R&B/Blues. That's why, when I met Levon in London that night and regaled him with stories and tunes from the old TO days, we really hit it off. He really loves that stuff too. The worst thing for me, knowing the type of tunes I heavily lean to, and for many other Hawks lovers, was them joining Mr.Dylan. They obviously reached levels of success and respect that probably wouldn't have been reached otherwise but they severed, at least partially, a connection with many Hawks fans when he joined the President of the "I have A Terrible Voice" committee including the likes of my countrymen Neil Young and Leonard Cohen. Man, that will get me flamed for sure. It's almost like I want the venom to spew out but I don't. I read some posts the other night and then went to my stereo and listened to Johnny Adams, the Tan Canary, and marvelled at the voice and thought about how he died in finacial weakness. Life is a carnival but it ain't fair and it sure ain't according to talent all the time! Al kooper "brought up the Beach boys". Where was that post from Al? I missed it. You see I'm talking about this Board and in depth conversations about stuff unrelated. If Al Kooper posted a informative comment about something that furthered our knowledge of The Band relative to the Beach Boys then you wouldn't hear from me. Matt K says it all which I'll get into later. One post lately says the reason for whatever connection mentioned was "The Band played a concert with "The G. Dead". Hell, I once got to see one of my all time time favourite bands, Lydia Pense & Cold Blood in Toronto (also with the great Freddie King) and the starring act was Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airman! Talk about a promoter on drugs! Now I guess that means that we could draw a connection between Freddie's version of TV Mama and Cold Blood's great I Just Want To make Love To you and Cody's Hotrod Lincoln. Maybe Cold Blood got the inspiration for the horn line from the Hawaiian guitar part in H.R.Lincoln? Spare me, please. If a show lineup meant that there were deep and valued connections between all the acts then someone's never met a promoter. Matt K- your 1st 2 paragraphs say it all. Yes, much or most of the real stuff has been bantered about with a band inactive for so long. That happens and the only thing that surprises me is the high activity of the Board and the "reaching" that goes on to achieve that activity. That is a tribute to the group and the interest of it's fans but I dont think that's it unfair or out of place to observe that the "reaching" borders on the absurd sometimes. I dont "say" I'm a long time fan of the TO Sound, I am. I have the scars and tunes library to prove it. I have many memories of The Hawks, remember we were kids and soaked it all in then, and of the one time I got to party with Levon and how our mutual respect of the Blues and Soul and of Van The Man, made for a very special night. Hoefully Pat or anyone else won't take my comments as flaming but as observations that we tend to go overboard with our adulation at times.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 23:32:42 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Pat: You've given me a chance to trot out my collection of claims to fame by association (not Association): I had a nice phone chat with Neil Young around 1980; I shook Levon's hand around the same time; AND I spent a pleasant couple hours in Rick James's apartment in Toronto in about '77. Too much of it was spent listening to the Rod Stewart LP with "Tonight's The Night", but we had a nice cup of tea (really!) and he played me the acetate of his next record, which he was supremely (and unaccountably, to my ears) confident about. I was bowled over when months later, on my first and only record-hunting trip to Buffalo, I picked up a copy of the "Funky Forty" record chart and found "Get Up And Dance" in the top 10. He was right, I was wrong - absolute proof that disco's not my field.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 23:08:38 CEST 2001 from user-33qt8r7.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.103)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Don, I watched the Neil Young "Legends" thing and found it vastly entertaining, especially since I'm gearing up for this new Buffalo Springfield box set (it's not here yet). While I'm not prepared to argue his "genius-ness," I do think he's an original thinker, a gifted lyricist, an interesting singer, and a person solely interested in pursuing his fluttering muse. He came across as a humane iconoclast, and it was particularly interesting to see the faces on other musicians when they talk about working with him. Plus, there aren't many 60's rockers who can claim being bandmates with funk weirdo Rick James.

I have a very difficult time imagining anyone from the Band listening to Wild Honey, but what do I know. It would seem to take more than just being labelmates with someone to get any of the boys to slip their disc on. Part of the Band's charm is their insularity, and it seems possible that they had no idea how different they were until they started touring and hearing what was going on around them.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 21:39:27 CEST 2001 from (63.75.26.215)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Bones:

Levon does not make a significant appearance on any of the extra stuff on either All The Kings Men or Train Kept A-Rollin.

On the All The Kings Men video Levon briefly appears at the end of the bit containing interviews with Kieth Richards and Ron Wood, but only for a few seconds and he doesn't say n e thing.

The Band/Richards track can be heard playing in the background.

On the Train Kept A-rollin stuff, Levon appears in a few photos but not in the video. However, Jim Weider and Richard Bell do appear in the Train Kept A-rollin video.

Danko does not appear at all. What a shame.

Levon's duet with Mavis Staples, Hound Dog, is one of the featured tunes on the extra stuff, but no video, which is kinda silly 'cause u can just listen to that song on the CD anyway!

Still, the bonus stuff is interesting on both discs. Great history in Paul Burlison and Scotty Moore and DJ Fontana.

By the way, you should be able to view this stuff on your computer. It won't work on a DVD. I don't mean to imply that you're computer illiterate by the following instructions, but:

Put the disc in your CD drive; if it's drive D, which it usually is, go to the Windows Start button and scroll up to run. type d: and the rest should be self-explanatory.

This assumes that you use Windows of course. If not, I can't help you!!

Hope you get it to work out for you.

Later,

John


Posted on Wed Aug 1 21:35:37 CEST 2001 from slip-32-103-67-123.ga.us.prserv.net (32.103.67.123)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell, Ga

First, thanks to the responses, re Tommy from Rick. Second, I agree with the G Man, as to the special guest was at the Neil Diamond concert.

John Hiatt's new CD is coming out on Sept 11, with The Goners. If you want a preview, go to johnhiatt.com, lots of the cuts were preformed live on the Sessions show last year, and John and the boys are touring with the BB King review this summer. Luckily, will be there on one of the nights.

Another question, Legends last night on VH1, Neil Young, (not Neil Diamond), any comments, talk about the work genius and brilliant overused. Being a big Neil Fan (Young), I thought Neil came off sincere and blunt and observation of Neil, "My way or the highway", and he has no problem backing it up!!! Interested in others view.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 21:23:50 CEST 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

pehr

I think Crabby is waiting for Brian W to come up with a Richard Thompsonesque version of "Go Tell Aunt Rhody" before he lets this snitty problem go.

After David Powell's last post, Crabby's opinion means diddly. But I like what he's trying to communicate! :)


Posted on Wed Aug 1 21:21:21 CEST 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

From: CT

Knockin' Lost John and David Powell: Thanks for the info on the enhanced cds, but what is actually on them?? Any video of our boys on them?? My audio system and CD Rom are separated, but I have a DVD player....would it work on that?

I heard Levon is going to guest on a Charley Patton Tribute cd released later this month (with Guy Davis). Anyone know anything about this??


Posted on Wed Aug 1 20:46:42 CEST 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

I think it was Crabby in the front row, after campin all nite, to see ND. Hard to be sure cause of the Robbie shades!!


Posted on Wed Aug 1 19:42:39 CEST 2001 from dialup-339.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.83)

HANK

From: CORK
Web page

On the other hand....and I've said this before here....."Big Pink" is a pretty psychedelic in it's own way.......trippy........someone who's a cab driver who posts here wrote here recently that he picks up these raver-kids from clubs and cranks out "Chest Fever" for 'em and they all groove to it.....why not?....it IS pretty trippy.........the first bars of "Tears of Rage" are trippy with a weird, wavery sounding guitar.......


Posted on Wed Aug 1 19:08:23 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Another hairband connection would be singer Wayne St John, who sings the impressive high scat bit on "Tears Are Not Enough". He was a veteran of the Toronto production of Hair. The full cast of that production, under the name Inner City Mission, had a hit with a song called "Get Back John", a plea to John Lennon - who'd just left Toronto, where he'd been staying with Ronnie Hawkins - not to give up on the idea of a peace music festival (or something like that). St John was also lead singer in Domenic Troiano's funk/fusion band circa 1980.

And I believe now-actress Beverly D'Angelo was in the Toronto production before she joined Hawkins on Yonge Street.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 18:59:23 CEST 2001 from pool0021.cvx9-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (209.178.176.21)

Moosman

If we are going to talk about the Beach Boys, it should be said that Wild Honey, which came out about six months before The Band's Capitol release, anticipates much of Big Pink's spirit, attitude, and sound. It seems likely that Robertson would have checked out what his more famous label mates were putting down.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 18:48:06 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-141.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.141)

Peter Viney

Buddy Holly covered Little Richard’s “Slippin’ and Slidin’” and in the UK it was the B-side of his posthumous release of Chuck Berry’s “Brown Eyed Handsome Man” and can be found on the Reminiscing album (but in spite of connecting three artists mentioned in the last 24 hours, I can’t get a Beach Boys link into this). I can get a Fireballs link in, because they overdubbed the backing onto the track after Buddy’s death. Taking the three great versions of Slippin’ and Slidin’ (The Band being the third), my favourite is Buddy Holly’s which is weird and sounds like a record slipping and sliding on the turntable, or tape stretching. The Band were covering the Little Richard version without question, but Buddy Holly’s take on the song has stuck in my mind so hard that the other versions don’t do the same for me. It was such a regular Band encore that I half-expected a studio version to turn up at some time. Maybe the box set next year (if it exists).

One advantage of Good Vibrations over Hair is that at least we never had to watch Mike Love, Al Jardine and Carl Wilson singing “You’re giving me excitations” naked. It was bad enough watching the cast of Hair waving their dangly bits at the audience, watched by a middle-aged and middle-class audience (as Crabgrass suggests), some of whom were dragged up on stage to prance around with the cast. Theatrical experiences you’d rather forget, even so many years later when one has become both middle-aged and middle-class. It’s now so routine for plays directed at a similar audience to flash some flesh somewhere to the accompaniment of “Ooohs!” from the audience. Some of the cast of Hair were staying in the same building as some friends of mine on one of the many tours and I do recall sitting around listening to Stage Fright several times with them. Fully-clothed of course, as was appropriate for Stage Fright, but interesting people even with their clothes on, with hilarious stories about various attempts at audience participation they had witnessed. And these dancers were heavily into The Band. Wow! A Hair link.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 18:00:53 CEST 2001 from 1cust236.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.57.236)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

I'm glad to hear that Brian Wilson had at least one good acid trip. "Good Vibrations" however, seems to me like a lot of hard work for nothing. Never liked it, still don't. The theme is not exactly philosophically mind expanding and is on a par with "Hair" as a watered-down-for-the-middle-class-masses vision of hippydom.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 17:43:44 CEST 2001 from 56k-la-02-30.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.141)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Mono Lake

I saw Norton Buffalo and the Knockouts last weekend at a blues festival in Reno, Nevada. Mr. Buffalo has been a member of Steve Miller's band for over 20 years. This man plays harmonica like "nobodies business". He singing is unique and his band performs with lots of energy. Check out Norton Buffalo's new CD KING OF THE HIGHWAY.

BAND connection? Norton Buffalo was on the bill in 1983 at Grass Valley, California with Etta James, Jerry Garcia Band, and The Band!


Posted on Wed Aug 1 17:30:00 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Ragtime, Steve, for your edification:

In the interest of safe custody ours Canadian and Dutch lover from fighting, MY quotation the succeeding liaison until resolve future dispute with speech


Posted on Wed Aug 1 17:24:37 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Now that I think about it, a young Mike Love looks an awful lot like a young Levon Helm.

This is getting creepy.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 17:00:43 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

Thanks Bill - it is "Live" Adventures, isn't it? That Old Time Memory; it's not like it used to be...


Posted on Wed Aug 1 16:52:39 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Re "Good Vibrations", I like to think of "excitations" as Mike's contribution to the lyrics.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 16:42:46 CEST 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Yesterday, I was not trying to belittle Brian Wilson's great talents -- I was merely pointing out that "Good Vibrations" was the antithesis of what The Band's music was about. I would even go as far to say that The Band's music was, in part, a conscious reaction to that trend of "psychedelic excess" so prevalent at the time of the debut of "Music From Big Pink."

With regards to "Good Vibrations", what better source to consult than Brian Wilson himself. In his autobiography, "Wouldn't It Be Nice" (Harper Collins 1991 --co-written with Todd Gold), Mr. Wilson had this to say about the creation of that song:

" 'Good Vibrations' was going to be the summation of my musical vision, a harmonic convergence of immagination and talent, production values and craft, songwriting and spirituality. I'd written it five months earlier and imagined the grand, Spectorlike production while on the LSD trip I'd described so enthusiastically for Al [Jardine]. Instinctively, I knew it was the right song at the right time."

"Written in three separate parts, 'Good Vibrations' required seventeen sessions [in three different studios] and six weeks -- not six months as has always been reported -- spread over three months, to record, costing a sum somewhere between $50,000 and $75,000, then an unheard amount for one song. I threw in everything I could think of into the stew: fuzz bass, clarinet, cello, harp and a theremin, a strange, electronic instrument. Chuck Britz, who worked on the board on all seventeen sessions, always said the first session was the best. Glen Campbell, one of the nearly twenty musicians used that day, agreed, explaining, 'Whew, Brian! What were you smokin' when you wrote that?' "

"A better question would've been, 'What was I droppin'?' "

"I had asked Van Dyke Parks, whom I'd met in February at a party at Terry Melcher's Beverly Hills house, to take a crack at writing lyrics to 'Good Vibrations'. I'd decided not to use the original Tony Asher lyrics. Van Dyke listened to the track, like the song, but declined the offer."

" 'No sense walking into someone else's problem,' he said."

It should be noted, that when Mr. Wilson conducted the recording of the basic intrumental tracks during these sessions, none of the other members of the Beach Boys were present. They were out on tour. They would later, rather reluctantly, add their vocals to the song. Mike Love would receive co-credit on the song, for his contribution in re-writing the lyrics.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 16:39:34 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-ta044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.39)

Brien Sz

From: where you can listen to the wind blow through the trees

Speaking of Mike Bloomfield, I picked up Mike Bloomfield Live at the Old Waldorf a few months ago..,this is a great collection of unreleased Live stuff. An excellent addition to any cd collection.

Any suggestions to other Live recordings of his that are worth picking up?

Too bad Bloomfield seems to suffer the same fate as Roy Buchanan in the under appreciated guitarists category.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 16:04:57 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Drummer Skip Prokop was in the Grossman-managed Paupers at the time of the Live Adventures LP. He and Paupers bassist Brad Campbell were offered spots in Janis Joplin's Kozmic Blues Band, but only Campbell accepted the offer. He stayed with Janis right up to the end, so was in Full Tilt Boogie with Richard Bell and John Till. Prokop organised Lighthouse, which still performs; the band now includes former Robertson group-mate, Steve Kennedy on sax.

Speaking of Caryl Chessman, if you're the kind of person who a) has to have every record that a Band member ever played on, and b) is in the camp that believes that Levon played on the above-mentioned, then you should have two copies of the 45: the one with "The Death of Floyd Collins" as the b-side, and the one with "The Tale of Floyd Collins" as the b-side.

Following up on the "Not Fade Away" conversation, Buddy Holly's popularity in SW Ontario in the early '60s was such that the Arc record company saw fit to release two budget tribute LPs using singer Michael Angelo. (Not the famous Italian sculptor.) On the first, the backing group was the Crown Imperials, including future Hawkins (and Jesse Winchester) drummer, Dave Lewis. On the second the band was the Leesures, a big sub-Hawks group of the time. As I've mentioned before, the Leesures' first LP, though mostly rockabilly-lite, includes a couple of R&B songs taken from Hawkins' stage show. (Hawkins recorded them in '61, but they weren't released until '63 or '64.) Just to show how flexible groups of the time were, the Leesures had earlier recorded eight songs for a little label in Ohio - two rockabilly, one country, one sorta doo-wop, two amazing doo-wops backing Cleveland's Infatuators, and two more featuring Little Richard imitations by the Leesures' second vocalist, Andy Wilson.

Speaking of Little Richard, didn't Little Willie John to "All Around The World" first?


Posted on Wed Aug 1 15:32:41 CEST 2001 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

From: Georgia

Fred - That version of "The Weight" is from an record entitled "The Further Adventures of Mike Bloomfield & Al Kooper"...it's a double album recorded live at the Fillmore (West?) in '68 or '69. A followup of sorts to "Super Session"; Stills was not involved. The rhythm section is John Kahn & Skip Prokop. Features mostly extended instrumentals with an occasional vocal by Kooper, as well as a damn near coherent introduction to the show from Bloomfield. "The Weight" gave Al the opportunity to perform a song from the album he had so highly praised in his Rolling Stone review a few months previous.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 15:03:03 CEST 2001 from host-221.subnet-78.med.umich.edu (141.214.78.221)

Steve Knowlton

From: Ypsilanti

"All Around the World" is indeed a Little Richard song. I have it on "17 Grooviest Originals." And it is, indeed, groovy.

On the translation front, a fun thing to do is go to a translation web page, type in some text and translate, then translate the translation back to English. It's a lot like the "telephone game" we played in school.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 14:31:59 CEST 2001 from as10-d188-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.191.188)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Fred: My opinion on downloading mp3's is this. It's okay, as long as you're not burning them to cd's and selling them out your back door.

I especially think it's great for rare stuff. I've downloaded many tunes off of Jan's fine site here and burned them to disc for my own personal use.

However, in the heyday of Naptser, I remember seeing EVERY track from Rick Danko's "Times Like These" album, available for download. This, I do not really like. A person could download the entire album and not pay a penny, while Rick's family is ripped off.

So, I do believe there should be "rules" for this sort of thing.

However, I have downloaded mp3's that are available for purchase. But, I do not think this makes me a hippocrite.

I'll explain. I am a big fan of JD Souther, and there were two duets he sang with Linda Ronstadt on her boxed set. Rather than buy the boxed set, I just downloaded the tunes from Limewire (like the old Naptser).

In my thinking, if I waste money on a boxed set that I'm only going to listen to two tracks of, that seems rediculous. It's a waste of my resources and a waste of plastic and paper.

Therefor, I downloaded. In my opinion, it's economically and environmentally sound for everyone.

But, I DO NOT think a person should be allowed to download an entire album that is available for purchase.

Whoo, that was longwinded.

John


Posted on Wed Aug 1 12:16:18 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-022.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.22)

Peter Viney

Craig: As to purpose. It was Charles Brockden Brown (in The Memoirs of Carwin the Biloquist, 1803) who said “A number of persons are leagued together for an end of some moment.” I think your suggestions for threads on Robert Goulet and Leonard Cohen’s lyrics should be taken up : - ) Garth did play on one Leonard Cohen album after all.

Brian Wilson got discussed because there are several points of interest for Band fans, apart from the musical ones. The Beach Boys biographies make Band ones look both tame and extremely wholesome, and they don’t touch very often (Sail on Sailor being the notable one). But the position of Brian Wilson in the Beach Boys was one that Robbie must have been considering around 1976 / 78. The composer, sitting back, not doing the tours. The Beach Boys weren’t just ciphers either. Though some of Mike Love’s retrospective co-composition claims seem ludicrous, the feud basis has similarities. I guess it was Mike who cracked the whip and got them touring and working, and when Brian dried in the 70s and 80s, the others made some decent efforts over the later albums. Carl Wilson wrote Feel Flows, Long Promised Road, The Trader. Al Jardine and Mike Love wrote Don’t Go Near the Water. Dennis’s solo album was good. Anyway, the connection I was trying to remember is Richard Manuel. Didn’t I read somewhere that he was aquainted with Dennis Wilson in California?


Posted on Wed Aug 1 09:07:40 CEST 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

MATTK my friend:

Mrs. Ragtime and me are still laughing, crying, howling, because of the "Dutch" sentence you offered us. This is what happens when computer brains think they can take over functions of the human brain like translating. I hope in the course of today we will be able to dry our eyes at last ;-).

In other words: WE HEBBEN ONS SUF GELACHEN.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 07:27:39 CEST 2001 from sqd40.nirai.ne.jp (202.239.129.43)

Fred

From: A small island in a big ocean

Speaking of Al Kooper, I just downloaded...er..listened to a version of The Weight by Al Kooper and Mike Bloomfield---it's an instrumental. I think it might be from the sessions with Stephen Stills. Not bad, but not as good as the original though!!

I finally got around to buying the remastered reissue of Stage Fright. There was only one copy in the local Tower Records so needless to say I scooped it up rather quickly. The other reissues aren't here yet--won't ask the staff as I don't feel like getting the usual "I don't know answer" (which you get a lot of in this part of the world). I also snapped up Danko/Fjeld/Andersen (at a 600 yen discount no less!!). I haven't given it a GOOD listening to yet.

I must say that the discussions on this board are very wide ranging and that is what makes visiting such a pleasure....where else can one learn about flawed genius,the US Civil War, the King(s) of Rock'n Roll and Dutch. But one thing..Matt K...WHY no Italian?!?!?!?!

By the way, just out of curiosity what are your opinions about downloading MP3s?(this may have been talked about before, but my laziness compels me NOT to have looked up this topic in the GB archives..SORRY)


Posted on Wed Aug 1 06:11:08 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.215.117.62.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.117.62)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Craig, please fill us in on "what the Board's purpose is."

As for "digressions," it was Al Kooper who brought up the Beach Boys, the discussion of the concept of "genius" is germane to any analysis of musical inspiration, and Hegel begat Marx who turned the world upside down. And, in many quarters, making fun of people is regarded as flaming. Your defensive attempt to defuse response admits as much.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 06:03:26 CEST 2001 from proxy2o.dpn.deere.com (192.43.65.245)

Mike

From: Midwest

Ok, this Beach Boys/Manson thing...Dennis met Manson via two of his female followers whom Dennis picked up one day in 1968 while hitchiking. Dennis discovered that Charlie was an aspiring songwriter and tried to get him signed to The Beach Boys' Brother Records label. But that didn't happen. Charlie leeched off of Dennis and he eventually had to move just to get away from him. Even after the murder spree, his followers still staled Dennis Wilson. No, Char;ie did NOT record at the studio in Brian Wilson's house. Also, only one song on The Beach Boys' 1969 album "20/20" was co-written with Charlie. It's called "Never Learn Not To Love". And I do consider Brian Wilson to be a genius. Pet Sounds wasn't a rock album either! I forget who said it in here but Pet Sounds wasn't an answer to revolver, but was in fatc an anwser to Rubber Soul! How can anyone compare Pet Sounds to Sgt. Pepper anyhow? Pet Sounds was an album by an artist breaking the formula of pop music and laying his innermost feelinfs on the line. Sgt. Pepper was an album with a mix of many musical styles. And is also a work of art, as is Pet Sounds. Amazing what was done with 4 track! Yes, Brian did get fucked up! That happened during the legendary Smile sessions. Drugs, lawsuits, inner band tensions all contributed to it. Crabgrass seems to have a problem with Brian Wilson. I don't think he's made light of it nor has he supported his views on the subject. Really?! How can you compare The Beatles to The Beach Boys?! Brian worked basically on his own for the most part when writing and creating. John and Paul had each other, along with George Martin, George Harrison and Ringo. And look what Brian did on his own! I gues people like what they like as far as music goes. Really Crabgrass, if you have a legitimate reason to put something down, fine. If not, be quiet and don't bash. It's getting old! Peace. Mike


Posted on Wed Aug 1 06:01:37 CEST 2001 from parachute1-156-40-64-200.net.nih.gov (156.40.64.200)

Jonathan Katz

From: Columbia, MD

Don - That's Tommy Spurlock on slide guitar.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 05:52:54 CEST 2001 from spider-te074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.209)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

Dave H: I agree with you on Buffalo Springfield Box Set... On a Band Box, I would love to hear some Robbie demos of songs if they exist... same goes for the other guys if they were demo-ing grooves as well or whatever... I've always liked how Stills steals stuff from his older songs for newer songs or adds banjo or guitar solos after the fact... and Neil's demos are great...

I bought a Garth CD for my folks... and yesterday during a break in Monday Night Golf... I talked with my Dad... He said he got it... I asked what he thought... and in typical slapstick fashion he said real loud and probably with some spit "I think it sucks!"... then after a moment of laughing just a bit too long... he said "I like one song"... I said, "Yeh, is it that piano song at the end?"... He said "No, the third song"... I wonder what Mom thinks cause she'll most likely steal it... and could wind up trying to use it for that old folks water arobics class she teaches...

Hot hot hot in MN today... 112 degree heat index... I almost popped off at ya John D for your Ilkka rant... but seeing that you had trouble booking a room for the Bearsville thing (I'm envious)... and you have maybe some pressure with an interview of your guitar hero coming up (good luck)... I'm glad I let it pass especially since I'm guilty of babblin' myself... I'm listening to a Primeaux & Mike CD tonight btw...

Ilkka: Keep up the Dutch but give us an English translation too (maybe I can get some much needed foreign language credits out of this)... it takes talent to be funny in your 4th language... sumpin I'll never know... anyway, you are indeed a genius if you can figure out the Maud lyrics in Dutch to "Saga"... and then translate them back to English for the rest of us... Saga is the song that most interests me now... I find myself being multiply emotionalized... oh, you know what I mean...


Posted on Wed Aug 1 05:30:24 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

Craig, what would you prefer we talk about? There are 5 years of GB archives on this site, and practically every nit has been wore out. Would you like us to restage the famous battle of "Who Sang Holy Cow?" Or perhaps, you'd prefer a taste of the old warhorse "Which Stagefright mix is better, Johns or Rundgren?" Of course, we do have some nouveau cuisine that we could regurgitate, like "why is the Watkins Glen album a fraud?"

Of course, you are somewhat correct. The Band is no more, so short of Garth's album (which some of us don't have yet, a Barn Burners album (which Butch tells us may take awhile longer), a new RR album (which doesn't seem in the cards at this point), the TLW DVD (next year) or new box set (next year), what else can we discuss?

Frankly, what you choose to view as "digression," I think is a tribute to power of this group. Four Canadians and an Arkansan made music that not only touches on what's on record from them directly, but extends roots and tendrils all over the musical terrain. In the Band, there's jumping of points to entire universes of music that otherwise I'd never learn about, and I suspect I'm not alone.

You say you are a long-time Toronto music fan. Instead of criticizing what you read, then, why not provide us with some food for discussion? You must have some great memories of the Hawks. The Port Dover bootleg is on the table for discussion, surely you have a perspective on the Hawks circa 1963/64?


Posted on Wed Aug 1 05:23:49 CEST 2001 from as6-d41-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.188.41)

Knockin' Lost John

From: Indiana

Wow

I did not know the Moore/Fontana CD was enhanced. I checked it out and indeed it is!!

Then, just for the hell of it I checked out the Paul Burlison CD "Train Kept A-rollin", which Levon and Rick both appeared on, and low and behold it is an enhanced disc too!

Wonder how many other enhanced discs I have?

By the way, you guys keep talking about PORT DOVER and I would really LOVE a copy. COME ON GUYS!!! I'm willing to trade, if that's the problem.

N E Way, thanx for the tip on the Enhanced CD thing. Never woulda thunk it.

John


Posted on Wed Aug 1 05:07:27 CEST 2001 from dialup-312.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.56)

Hank

From: Cork
Web page

Hmmmnnnnnn....'Ghost-written by Manson', eh?........OK.....This Beach Boy Thang is getting as weird as The Feud....Ha! The Band Feud pales into insignificance when held up to some of The Beach Boys' hassles....sheeeesh!.......Charlie Manson......I wonder what Manson thought of The Band......I wonder what FZ thought of The Band..........Everyone knew Charlie Manson, apparently......Charlie could'nt get a deal.....I read a great interview with Neil Young in The NME once and Neil had to back up when he casually mentioned he knew Charlie........Jeez, what if Charlie was a Gber?.....would he be allowed email in jail? (Right, Email in Jail..... how R ya?)......Charlies take on The White Album was amazing......I think that album really DID affect North America (OK, The WORLD) in a strange, intense way, tho'.....it's funny to know now that The Beatles really only made it a double album 'cos they wanted to renegotiate new publishing/recording contracts......I don't care....it's still magnificent to me.........Speaking of Mansons (with a 'u')....I saw an interview with Eminem on MTV and Mr. M was VERY impressed with the way Marilyn Mansun wiped his ass with an US flag on stage......that's all well and good, y'know, but it's not HALF as impressive as Bob Dylans claim (circa 1965)) that Joan Baez wiped herself clean with a US flag after every time she had sex.........someone asked Bob if Joan was patriotic and that was his reply.......I think Bob Dylan is waaaaaay scarier than Marliyn Mansun...... to this day, Bob is NOT a guy you would seriously fuck with, is he?.........and Eminem is just Dr. Dres' puppet, anyway.........

Hey CRABBY...or anyone else out there....if a live band or a gi-tar player were REALLY cookin' on stage are you allowed to describe them to yer buds as 'smokin'? ..........OK OK I'll quit.........


Posted on Wed Aug 1 04:36:09 CEST 2001 from cr505487-a.glph1.on.wave.home.com (24.156.103.95)

Craig

From: Toronto

As an infrequent poster but frequent viewer, and a long time fan of the Toronto Sound of the 60's and therefore of The Hawks, am I the only one that "marvels" at the way this board digresses and wanders all over the place? Charles Manson, the Beach Boys, quoting authors that maybe 1% of the Board readers recognize are just some of the surprises that await viewers on a regular basis. For a bunch of musical guys from places like Arkansas, and Simcoe, Ontario some of it does seem somewhat out of place. Then again maybe it's to be expected when a band hasn't been together for quite awhile that fans will really reach to extremes for things to talk about. Maybe the comparisons and/or conjecture could lighten up a bit, though, for just a few days. I dont think I could take the next stage of "how much do you think Leonard Cohen's lyrics affected the Boyz when they were writing? or "did Robert Goulet's success as a Canadian on Broadway allow the Band more musical freedom in the 70's? or Did Ronnie doing The ballad of Caryl(spell?)Chessman mean that The Band were really meant to delve into more social comment with their music or were they just going to party all nite long? Flame me if you choose but before you do, take a long look back at some of the posts and reflect on what the Board's purpose is. Just an observation IMHO.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 04:35:11 CEST 2001 from cmldme-cmt1-c4-24-25-179-110.maine.rr.com (24.25.179.110)

MattK

I have to confess, I had no idea there was this kind of antipathy about Brian Wilson. I mean, beyond his poor parenting skills and deep psychological problems, I always thought he was pretty innocuous, musically, but nonetheless rather important, and enjoyed rather unchallenged status as a superior songwriter...but then again, before I came to the GB, I thought the same of Robbie -- interesting that our leading RR basher is also leading the Brian bashing. I wonder what the common theme is between RR and BW that our friend finds so personally objectionable.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 04:07:09 CEST 2001 from 1cust207.tnt38.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.151.207)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Hey, a thought just hit me. Maybe Brian Wilson sold his soul to Charles Manson in order to become one of the greatest composers of the 20th Century (at least in one person's mind.)

BTW I promise I'll find something else to do tomorrow besides posting in the GB.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 04:04:38 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.33)

JTULL FAN

From: Richmond

Bashful Bill: If you wish to hear Charlie Manson's music listen to several songs credited to Dennis Wilson on the Beach Boys 20/20 album. These songs were ghostwritten by Manson.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 03:54:10 CEST 2001 from spider-wg024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.29)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

I doubt if there would be very many around here who would be interested in purchacing it, but Charlie Manson's album is often advertised in Goldmine(the only magazine I absolutely always buy,I should just suscribe) & Discoveries. Mind you, I don't recommend it, never have I even heard it, so don't start flamin. I just thought I would throw that fact out there.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 03:48:44 CEST 2001 from 1cust207.tnt38.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.151.207)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Okay, okay - but was Manson credited?

Thanks to those remaining hardcore smokers who responded to my recent plea and to all those who e-mailed me their heartwarming testimonials and thanked me and Robbie for helping them to quit. According to the latest Band Website research report there is only ONE GBer out there who still smokes cigarettes and has no intention of ever quitting.

C'mon, give it up - we all know who you are!!


Posted on Wed Aug 1 03:42:48 CEST 2001 from (167.167.236.72)

Tomas Sidenfaden

From: Los Angeles
Web page

Nice page. Not too many dedicated to the band, but this one is pretty comprehensive. Has anyone found any good new rock? I was having a really difficult time until I was directed to http://www.ikereilly.com ,debut rock artist Ike Reilly's new site. He is really talented and plays good ole' fashioned rock with a modern twist in the lyrics. Check it out if you are a Band fan!


Posted on Wed Aug 1 03:15:44 CEST 2001 from dialup-63.215.117.62.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.117.62)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

mattk, the Port Dover CD suffers from cassette-itis, the inevitable speeding-up of taped material as it progresses through different machines. Since cassettes rune so slow, even the slightest variance can produce great changes in the recorded material, usually in the shape of faster tempi and higher keys. I figure some of the songs to be at least a full step higher than the originals, with corresponding increases in the tempi.

Manson came to the Beach Boys through Dennis Wilson's encounter with some of Charlie's gals. I believe Manson actually recorded at Brian's house.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 02:53:48 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-tb053.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.43)

Tommy

From: Brooklyn,NY

Don Pugatch,,,I'M that Tommy that Rick is talking to.(Actually, I'm lying...but it woulda been cool.)

I read or saw something about the Manson/Beach Boys connection.Maybe it was on VH1's "20 Scandals Of Rock'N'Roll" or something.I wish I remembered more details.Ahhh...Too much JD.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 02:31:04 CEST 2001 from (209.202.100.68)

Bill

Did the Beatles co-credit St Bri on "Back In The USSR"? Woo-ooo-ooo.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 02:08:59 CEST 2001 from 1cust203.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.203)

Hi

In my earlier post in my semi-literate way I was referring to"All around the World" as a Little Richard tune....this title might be incorrect..it goes like.."all around the world rock and roll is all they play".....Rick was singng these words between verses while Weir/Garcia sang Not fade away........sorry if this still sounds unclear...


Posted on Wed Aug 1 01:57:43 CEST 2001 from 1cust203.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.203)

Mr. Hi

Yes, Not Fade Away is a Buddy Holly tune and also was the A side of the Stones' first single in the States.It didn't sell real well...I saw them in NYC on their first tour and the theater was not even sold out....I was 17 and now I'm.....


Posted on Wed Aug 1 01:44:19 CEST 2001 from spider-mtc-th072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.52)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Mr and/or Ms Hi-actually I believe Not Fade Away is also a Buddy Holly song. Rick & Garth do it on one of the Mountain Stage releases, and I believe Rick also sings it on that Ringo AllStarr album. If anyone is interested, Kris Kristofferson, good buddy of Ronnie Hawkins & Dylan, is featured on Biography this week, I think on Wed, not certain though.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 01:27:29 CEST 2001 from 1cust169.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.169)

Hi

A reverse twist of the Surfin' USA "rip off" was when Chess records put out a Chuck Berry lp called "on stage" which said on the cover it had that tune but it was "Sweet Little Sixteen" with canned applause .....


Posted on Wed Aug 1 01:16:38 CEST 2001 from 1cust158.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.158)

HI

Peter's comments about Rick Danko doing Holly's "Raining in my heart" reminded me that it is on the audience tape I have from Watkins Glen.... Rick solo then with Richard and Jerry Garcia joined on that tune.... the jam really took off on "Not fade away" .....Rick sang "All around the world" during part of the same tune.I think that's a Little Richard tune though.......


Posted on Wed Aug 1 01:12:28 CEST 2001 from m198214181246.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.246)

Pehr

David Powell: another fascinating tidbit re: Charles Manson... creepy- how did the Beach boys find out about his er, music? wow. me mind blowed now. when was this?

ok a deep breath... n IMHO, Brian Wilson is one of the great composers of the 20th century. His harmonies and structure are beautiful and leave me breathless. I dont want him to be Bob Dylan. I like Brian. I love love songs that are real and true to ones own impulses and obsessions. HIs work is personal, like love letters set to the most beautiful music. He' been on a pretty dark road, he's coped, and survives, and I wish him the best on his tour with Paul Simon!

Crabby ol' pal, if ya look at the credits for "Surfin USA" you'll see my man Brian gave the nod to a certain "C. Berry." Go easy on my friend the Beach combin' genius!

One of my favorite takes on a Wilson theme is Danny Gatton's version of "In My Room". Really georgeous.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 00:48:13 CEST 2001 from 3cust114.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.46.56.114)

Crabgrass

From: The Front Lawn

Well, I'd like to know what James Burton thinks of Duane Eddy, Link Wray, Scotty Moore, Richard Thompson, and Robbie Robertson. If that's too much I'll narrow it down to Robbie Robertson. (I hope he's heard of him!!)

Brian Wilson ripping off both Chuck Berry AND Charles Manson - now that's a distinction no one else can lay claim too!!


Posted on Wed Aug 1 00:44:15 CEST 2001 from du-tele3-139.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.139)

Peter Viney

Joe: something was niggling at the back of my mind when I said few groups covered both Buddy Holly & Howlin’ Wolf. And as you point out, the Grateful Dead did. The same two songs too, but five years later. Which reminded me of another Holly / Wolf connection with The Band. Danko used to sing “Raining in My heart” (Holly) and the Hawks used to do “Howling For My baby”.


Posted on Wed Aug 1 00:01:10 CEST 2001 from 24.101.110.233.on.wave.home.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

From: Toronto

Getting the thrill of my life tomorrow. Interviewing my personal "Guitar Man Hero" (Am I ever going to grow up? Hope not. No offense Duane Eddy) James Burton who will be playng here in Toronto with the TCB Band on the 14th of August.


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