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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, January 2000

Below are the entries in the Band guestbook from January 2000.


Posted on Mon Jan 31 23:52:41 CET 2000 from spider-wg032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.32)

butch dener

From: ulster county n.y.

Well,, curse the weather,,,, NO AK this week,,, sorry,, but Levon & the BB's will still be rockin,,, see ya,,,,,,,, bd


Posted on Mon Jan 31 22:35:58 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73137.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.136)

Richard Patterson

Bill: Are you saying we have less access to music now than say, Paul McCartney or Van Morrison growing up? Or are you commenting on the state of modern radio programming ? I will gladly admit that modern pop radio is depressing. It's probably less educational and quality intensive than the old days (there was a time when "pop" music meant good music, now it just stands for "popular") BUT, in radio's defence, music has become more fragmented in style and audience than ever before in the history of rock (or whatever it is we call this stuff we like). I think you are right on the money though, in regards to these artists' variety of musical interests. In fact, their tenacity in locating their favorites may be one of the most important aspects of their talent. I think we live in the golden age of accessability right now. Consider the information that has been exchanged in this guest book, and Paul and Van never had David Powell ;-). Bottom line: I don't think their resourses were readily available. Maybe someone from the U.K. could comment?

Lars: Regarding your favourite Band choices. Hate to break this to you but "Friend of the Devil" is actually a Nitzsche tune, not the Band. (Jack, that is - Frederick's brother. Just as good as Frederick but he works a lot cheaper).


Posted on Mon Jan 31 22:08:38 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

An Otis Redding (yes Liz) recording would have to be included among my choices for Desert Island discs. My personal favorite is the album "Otis Blue (Otis Redding Sings Soul)", recorded in 1965 at Stax studios in Memphis.

Some of the highlights included on this disc include: Three originals, "I've Been Loving You Too Long", "Old Man Trouble", and "Respect" (Aretha would have a hit with this when she recorded it two years later). Otis does a great cover of B.B. King's "Rock Me Baby" with an incredible, rare guitar solo by Steve Cropper. Otis also turns in a high octane version of the Rolling Stones classic "Satisfaction." Otis was a huge fan of Sam Cooke. On this album he covers, in his own unique style, Cooke's "Shake", "Wonderful World", and "A Change Is Gonna Come."

In addition to Otis's amazing vocals, "Otis Blue" features an all-star backing band that includes Booker T & the MGs, Issac Hayes and the Memphis Horns.

December 10th is indeed a sad day in the history of music. It was on December 10, 1967 that the twin-engine Beechcraft carrying Otis and his band crashed into the icy waters of Lake Monona, near Madison, Wisconsin. Otis was only 26 years old.


Posted on Mon Jan 31 21:18:59 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Peter just mentioned how nicely the Hawks' "He Don’t Love You" fits his R&B tape. I was thinking last night how the flip side of that 45, "Go Go Liza Jane" would suit a skiffle tape. That people like the Hawks and Van Morrison and Paul McCartney (and and and) felt comfortable style hopping suggests the breadth not only of their musical interests but also of the resources (i.e., radio, records and performances) that were readily available during their formative years. I don't see the same being the case now.


Posted on Mon Jan 31 21:02:44 CET 2000 from dialup-272.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.16)

Hank Wedel

From: Happy Thanksgiving!
Home page

Hey Folks!! How're y'all doin'? OK here's one for ya...... EXTREME MEASURES I WENT TO JUST TO SEE THE BAND....Howzat for a thread to be picked up on? All stories gratefully read.....at this end anyway.......Well now, I never told y'all that I first saw The Band at The Lone star Cafe NYC in 1986 and I almost did'nt......Thanksgiving Night 1986.....the Tenth anniversary of TLW......WOW!! Me and my buddy Billy, also from Mallow Co. Cork, Ireland saw that The Band were playing The Lone Star that night, got down there good an' early, got in line, got to the door.....they would'nt let us in!!!!!!!! We had no I.D.!!! We were both 23 at the time, thought nothing of it, but they wouldnt let us in.....there were two shows that evening......we wanted to catch both......I had to schlepp ALL the way back to the BRONX to get our passports....took me nearly two hours on the subway....made it just in time for the 2nd show......Great Show....first time I ever saw 'em......Now surely y'all can do better'n'that.....I'm sure there are death-defying stories of running from a fire wielding Bill Graham......incurring the wrath of Albert Grossman........you get the gist......if your memory serves you well........HANK


Posted on Mon Jan 31 20:43:27 CET 2000 from du-tele3-088.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.88)

Peter Viney

Skiffle: I’m not sure how it’s defined, but in my mind it brings up tea-chest one string basses and washboards. Whatever, do check out two things fellow new skiffle enthusiasts. One is the Lonnie Donegan album from last year, Muleskinner Blues. Van Morrison produced it and they duet on both the title track and Alabamy Bound. The studio versions are a contrast with the live "Skiffle sessions" versions.

Today "I Wanna Go home" was released as a single with two bonus tracks, "New Burying Ground" and an alternative take of "Midnight Special."

As one does from time to time, I did myself a new in-car compilation, all 60s soul (again) ranging from The Impressions to Alvin Robinson, Dobie Gray, The Temptations, Lee Dorsey, Robert Parker. I slipped Levon & The Hawks "He Don’t Love You" between Lee Dorsey & Robert Parker. You don’t know till it plays through in the background, and I reckon they fit in seamlessly. They and Zoot Money ("Big Time Operator") are the only non African-American artists in 27 tracks and you do not perceive the join.


Posted on Mon Jan 31 18:44:36 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Without getting too technical, let me just mention a few things in the realm of audio esoterica. Writer Michael Fremer, in addition to reviewing audio equipment for "Stereophile" magazine, also writes an informative monthly column that focuses mainly on the subject of analog LPs. In the February edition of that magazine, Mr. Fremer discusses the subject of what "source" tapes were used in the production of some recent vinyl reissues.

Just a little bit of background on this--In the production chain, once the multi-track recording is completed, the tracks are mixed down to a two channel master. Ideally, the two track master is then used by the production facility to make the album, whether in the CD or LP format. In addition to the master copy, safety and/or production copies are often made. Unfortunately, in many cases, these duplicate copies are sometimes used for production. The problem with this is that with each time (generation) a copy is made, a certain amount of sonic detail and dynamics is lost. It was a common practice of the recording labels to use first (or later) generation copies for production, especially when the production copies were sent overseas to their foreign affiliates.

Mr. Fremer concludes that first generation copies, rather than two-track masters, have been used as a source for many recent reissues.

Another common problem in producing album reissues is that, in many instances, the recording labels cannot locate the original masters. According to Mr. Fremer, JVC's plans to reissue a high quality CD version of "The Band" (brown album) a couple of years ago had to be shelved because "no one could find the master tape." Mr. Fremer also reports that, even though Sony has done two remixes for CD, the two-channel master tape of Dylan's "Blonde On Blonde" is "lost."


Posted on Mon Jan 31 16:56:57 CET 2000 from spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.56)

butch dener

From: ulster county, n.y.

Well,, lots of snow, up here near woodstock,,, This Wednesday,, as usual,, LEVON HELM & THE BARN BURNERS,,,,,9 pm,, The Joyous Lake with guest vocalist,,, Miss Amy Helm,,, Garth Hudson !!!! ,,, & as of now,,,, that's all,,, any "other"special guests , ,,, not confirmed, yet,,, we will have to see,,, weather, ya know,, BUT Levon & the gang is PLENTY,,,, see ya there,,,, thanks,,,,,,, butch


Posted on Mon Jan 31 07:16:14 CET 2000 from 209-239-197-191.oak.jps.net (209.239.197.191)

Phil

From: Ca

HANK: The egg hatched on 'Cahoots'.


Posted on Mon Jan 31 07:05:14 CET 2000 from pool-209-138-177-86.ipls.grid.net (209.138.177.86)

Bobby Jones

From: C - bus

Just got done reading what the Hawk had to say about Rick, and I agree. I was at the Lone Star one evening and Rick was playing with Richard - There was about a foot of fresh snow on the ground. The show was great,(not alot of people attended) they played everything they were planning and then just kept playing. At one point they started asking for requests and that's when the show really was legendary. They played songs like "Poor old dirt Farmer", "The jealous kind" and "You don't know me". For about a half hour they played songs that one of them did not know or had not had time to learn. You could tell they were having a great time playing. Rick stated, "This is like playing in my living room". A few times people asked for things like "Dixie" or "The Weight" and Rick would say "that's a good song - Wish Levon was here. That night they finished with "Good Night Irene", and at one point Richard stated "We don't know any more songs.!) The best part of the night was the MAGIC they had between them, and their willingness to share the gift of song with us. The answer about the best albums for me would have to be: The Band - Rock of Ages, Robbie - Storyville, Rick - Rick Danko, Levon - American Son and Garth doing "Feed the Birds from "Stay Awake"


Posted on Sun Jan 30 23:08:32 CET 2000 from lab2-11.kalix.fhsk.se (194.117.164.93)

Johan Hasselberg

From: Kalix in Sweden
Home page

The Band is really "the band". I think it is/was so much rock'n'roll in this guys and if You listen to Chuck Berry's "Promised Land" You can hear they make it on there own way and it is a very good way. After the tragic days The Band don't can be The Band any more, but we will remember all the times of humor and great music and will foreva listen to the great recordings and The last walz!


Posted on Sun Jan 30 21:17:17 CET 2000 from 22.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.22)

carmen

From: PA

Favorite BAND SONGS by singer:

Levon-The Weight, Richard-Rocking Chair, Rick-It Makes No Difference, Robbie-Bessie Smith

Favorite Song with all singing:

Ain't No More Cain

Favorite Song Overall:

This is just imposible to answer. Depends how I am feeling.

As you all most likley know, the choice of RR singing lead on "BAND" songs is slim. Based on this my next question is:

What BAND song penned by RR, sung by another would work with RR on lead vocal?


Posted on Sun Jan 30 18:06:16 CET 2000 from proxy5.rdc1.on.wave.home.com (24.2.9.37)

Bill

From: Toronto

I'd recommend the British group, Mungo Jerry, to our new skiffle fans. They hopped among skiffle, jug-band blues, rockabilly and pop over their career, though they managed only one hit here - "In The Summertime". The Pye label did a nice 2 LP retrospective called in its File series back in the vinyl era, and copies must be around in the used record stores if it's not out on CD. The Band's links to skiffle are tenuous, but Levon has talked a fair bit about the minstel shows of his youth, which would have incorporated much of the same material.


Posted on Sun Jan 30 15:39:34 CET 2000 from trt-on56-26.netcom.ca (216.123.100.154)

Stephen Riches

From: Toronto

If anyone would like to share Band music send me an e-mail. Here are some that I have to offer: King Harvest, Whistle Stop, Sleeping, Unfaithful Servant, Too Soon Gone.


Posted on Sun Jan 30 14:01:03 CET 2000 from proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.93)

mike

From: FOSTER RHODE ISLAND

Enjoyed all the input on underated BAND songs.Just wondering if The Remedy from Jericho made anyones thoughts although I heard this song did well on the Canadian charts. MIKEM


Posted on Sun Jan 30 13:51:57 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-40-136.termserv.net (208.20.67.136)

Diamond Lil

Thank You Katrin Sermat (and Jan) for the Ronnie Hawkins piece about Rick from Toronto Life. What grabbed me most I think was the end, where Ronnie mentioned songs Rick had sung that were never recorded....and that we will never get to hear....

And only after the loss of the man himself, that may very well be "the saddest thing of all".

I miss you Rick..and always will.


Posted on Sun Jan 30 08:05:21 CET 2000 from pm3-018.efn.org (206.163.180.18)

deb

From: oregon

Hi again: Could someone email me with information on exactly where the Wednesday night Joyous Lake show is. What is the nearest large city?


Posted on Sun Jan 30 07:28:55 CET 2000 from pm3-037.efn.org (206.163.180.37)

deb

From: oregon

Hi Liz; yes, Otis is great. For a peek at some history of black musicians and entertainers, anyone interested could rent (on video, if it is available in your area) a little movie called "Stormy Weather." It showcases the most excellent Cab Calloway, the ageless Lena Horne, and two of the best dancers to ever hop and jump to a beat (their number in this film is MINDBLOWING; you have to see it to believe it), The Nicholas Brothers. This movie is known for its very politically-uncorrect number "Goin' to Heaven on a Mule," featuring black people dressed like angels sailing up to a Hollywood Heaven and singing gloriously. This number has been cut from some versions, so if anyone gets ahold of this movie or has the opportunity to see it on one of the oldie movie channels, it might not be there. This is a do-not miss film, and one I would take to my desert island; no doubt. There is a question for you all: What Band movie (or show, documentary, interview) and what non-Band movie would you all take along. Of course, my Band movie would be The Last Waltz.


Posted on Sun Jan 30 07:10:38 CET 2000 from 209-239-195-124.oak.jps.net (209.239.195.124)

Molly Z.

Here's a guestbook question for you all: What's your favorite top 3 Band albums/solos? Here's mine: Music From Big Pink, The Band, and Robbie's 1st solo album. thanx and have a good, warm night everyone.


Posted on Sun Jan 30 07:04:03 CET 2000 from proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.33)

Bob Wyman

From: Colorado
Home page

I want to say thanks to those who sent nice emails about my photo of Rick! Please visit my home page again soon! Peace, Bob


Posted on Sun Jan 30 02:02:34 CET 2000 from spider-wm025.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.139)

Dj Girl

From: whereevahh

sorry bout the "double "whammy on that post didnt think it went through..........any Otis Redding Fans out there?...must be the weather.......


Posted on Sun Jan 30 01:36:35 CET 2000 from ti09a61-0264.dialup.online.no (130.67.57.8)

Groan Alone

Home page

Hi ! Home Groan would like to thank all you people that got back to us on the Danko tribute, "You Made A Difference" Let's keep the spirit. Peace Martin


Posted on Sun Jan 30 01:20:08 CET 2000 from spider-ta012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.47)

Liz [dj girl]

From: here
Home page

may I change my additional lp? I would like to bring Elvis Costello's" This Years Model" or "Blood on the Tracks" and hope my neighbors have "Pet sounds"...How much time do we have to decide??? this is difficult.......My BAND is still " To Kingdom Come" and I aint cheatin...........


Posted on Sun Jan 30 01:12:00 CET 2000 from spider-ta082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.82)

Dj Girl Liz

From: the island

ok Im already here.unfortunately there are no neighbors ???for this Island thing, may I change my choice? My BAND choice stays the same " To Kingdom Come" but could I have Elvis Costello "This years Model" as my second ? or Blood on the tracks, or..um "Pet sounds" as my neighbors? please move in to the neighborhood...its really tough here on this Island..........


Posted on Sun Jan 30 01:05:08 CET 2000 from spider-wc052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.42)

Pacific46

From: SF CA

Deb, indeed Emmylou's voice changed. I'd thought it was a new singing style, but interviews revealed it was from the strain of years of performing in clubs, etc. Had the joy of seeing her perform with Linda Ronstadt last October, and she sang as clear as a songbird. I sensed warmth and maturity in her voice now that make her music that much richer. Much of it was captured on their new CD "Western Wall: The Tucson Sessions," for which she selected all the material including her own gems.

Richard Patterson, yes, I brought up the point about women being excluded in the list of blues artists. Then I realized there doesn't seem to be much recorded in the earlier years beyond Bessie Smith. Ma Rainey's well documented, but most contributors seem obscure. I highly recommend our UMass college text, Eileen Southern's THE MUSIC OF BLACK AMERICANS. Also, Chris Albertson's BESSIE was a great biography about Bessie Smith. Francis Davis includes a few women in his book THE HISTORY OF THE BLUES (Memphis Minnie, Ida Cox, early Ethel Waters, to name a few), but there's no question the scene was and remains predominantly male. Bonnie Raitt deserves great respect. As mentioned in the E-mail, there's a great video called "The Ladies Sing the Blues" featuring Bessie, Ethel, Billie Holiday, Ida Cox, Sister Rosetta Tharp, Connee Boswell, Dinah Washington, Ruth Brown, Lena Horne, Sarah Vaughan, Helen Humes with Basie's Orchestra, and interestingly Peggy Lee. I found a fabulous 2-tape set called "THAT'S BLACK ENTERTAINMENT" which features soundies made in the '40s which were like early versions of our music videos. They showed in a little TV-like screen in a soundies machine resembling a jukebox. Anyway, Ida James plays a bluesy boogie woogie that gets the whole set hoppin'.

Stay warm everyone! Spring's not that far away.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 23:00:39 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

TO THE DANKO'S

From: Madison, Wisconsin
Home page

Thanks for the card; I only wish it could how been more,,,and I also wish your loss would have never been...


Posted on Sat Jan 29 21:46:02 CET 2000 from webcache.netdoor.com (208.137.128.33)

Deb

From: Mississippi

I've enjoyed reading all the discussion of desert island choices, blues recommendations, and the Band and I've can't resist jumping in with some observations. As far as albums for the island, I'd have to take NLSC and the Hank Williams Sr. box set and hope that my neighbors are willing to crank up the volume. But, I want to put in my request for the island adjacent to the folks taking Irish Heartbeat. I could listen to a loop of "Raglan Road" or "Star of the County Down" for a good while. Or, I might want my island to be in the Gulf of Mexico so that I'd have a chance of overhearing "La Toussaint" by Steve Riley and the Mamou Playboys or Geno Delafose's "La Chanson Perdue". Good suggestions about current Delta Blues, and I have a few to add. R.L Burnside's "Too Bad Jim" is a good one. Big Jack Johnson, who is one of the Jelly Roll Kings, also has some great recordings with his own band. I think this one's out of print and the artist, sad to say, died last year, but if you can locate Lonnie Pitchford's "All Around Man" you'll have something fine. Eddie Cusic's "I Want to Boogie" is a recent recording by one of the finest traditional acoustic bluesmen still performing, and Willie Foster, a fine harmonica player from Greenville has just released another good CD whose title evades me right now. I'm glad to see that someone else thinks Daniel Lanois is an accquired taste. I like his work with Robbie Robertson and the Neville Brothers, but imho, he has totally destroyed Emmylou Harris' diction. Go back and listen to any of her pre-Wrecking Ball albums. You could etch crystal with her voice and she breathes life into even the most trite lyric. Post-WB, I can't understand a word she sings, although she does seem to show signs of recovery from the Lanois syndrome on Spyboy.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 21:44:38 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas

the song i was trying to think of with robbie and rick was "Sonny got caught in the moonlight".

Personally I love "Jubilation" more and more all the time.

Still would cheat on the desert isle.

maybe the weather would warm up a little there


Posted on Sat Jan 29 20:46:21 CET 2000 from spider-tq043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.63)

Tom

From: Georgia

Mid, I have trouble picking favorites too, but here's a shot: Levon - Up on Cripple Creek, Richard - In a Station, Across the Great Divide, Rick - When You Awake, Robbie - the guitar solo on Look Out Cleveland, Garth - it's all great, Group singing effort - The Rumour, the way their voices come and go is chilling.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 20:41:23 CET 2000 from 208-51-135-68.nas1.mon.gblx.net (208.51.135.68)

Lars Pedersen

From: Pine Bush, NY

Last week I mentioned I had sent away for a VHS tape of The Band at Woodstock '94. I am, for the most part, happy with it, although I wish they hadn't interrupted the Band's set to show the group playing on the other stage.

In response to various e-mails, I bought the tape from "Flashpoint Music," PO BOX 31983, Seattle, WA 98103. I think it cost $12.00, plus shipping costs.

I don't know any more about this company other than they DID send me the tape I ordered. If you write them for a catalog I would think they would send you one.

My two favorite Band albums would be the Band (brown album) and whichever album it was that they did "Freebird" on. And my favorite song would have to be "Friend of the Devil."

Hope you find this information reliable.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 19:13:30 CET 2000 from spider-wd074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.184)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell, Ga

Couple of postings. New Van Morrison CD with Lonnie Donegan, quite the excellent side of enjoyment. Not being that familar with Skiffle, I am now a fan. If we remember the Beatles Anthology that was on TV about 4 years ago, there was a segment of Lonnie Donegan, and his influence on "The British Invasion". Also, Van's first band was not "Them", but actually a Skiffle group. Band Fans will always remember 4% Pantamine, with The Belfast Cowboy doing is duet with Richard Manuel, and will as always appreciate the musical diversity of Mr. Morrison. On the second note, finally got my CD Burner, almost working, but if anyone is out there, ready to do some CD trading, let me know via email


Posted on Sat Jan 29 18:30:52 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73098.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.97)

Richard Patterson

From: St Kitts

Roger Woods (and others): Belated thanks for pointing out to me that 'December's Children' is the home of "I'm Movin' On" (RIP Hank Snow). A great Stones record.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 17:19:01 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-47-239.termserv.net (208.20.67.206)

Diamond Lil

From: finally above zero

Upstate New York is having a heat wave folks. Nearly 20 degrees _above_ zero as I write this! Anyone wanna bar-b-que?

Mid: I agree that it's impossible to pick just _one_ favorite Band tune (I basically love em all!) and I also agree that the different voices make picking a favorite even more difficult. Of the 3 lead vocalists though, I think my choices would be : Richard's "Whispering Pines", Rick's "It Makes no Difference", and Levon's "All la Glory" _and_ "Don't Wait". And if I had to pick one with Robbie, the only one that really moves me is "Bessie Smith"..with him and Rick together.

TSax: You admitted it, I'm printing it 1000 times, and when you come from school on Monday..your room will be wallpapered with it :-)


Posted on Sat Jan 29 17:11:15 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73098.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.97)

Richard Patterson

From: St Catharines

Odds and Ends: Lost time is not found again.

The Bukka White song that Led Zeppelin does is called "Custard Pie", which is the same song as Bukka's "Shake Em On Down". Gee, just change the title and gather the song-writer credits - makes me think even I could write a song!

Pacific46: Thanks for the e-mail. You're absolutely right, I did not include any women in my post about pre-Muddy Mississippi Delta blues music. The only woman singer I have heard of from this time and place is Bertha Lee, who "sang like a countrified Bessie Smith, on two blues, one of which covered the Memphis Minnie hit "Bumble Bee". Her other selection, "Mind Reader Blues", ostensibly a boast of extrasensory powers, indicated that after four years of living with Charlie Patton she didn't really need clairvoyance to guess what was on his mind." - 'Deep Blues' pg. 87. Perhaps someone here could do a women-in-blues primer?

Interesting: That David Johansen has been seen jamming with Levon in his studio/barn. DJ did a kick-ass version of Sony Boy Williamson's "Don't Start Me to Talkin'" with his 70's group the New York Dolls (you can find the origional Sonny Boy version on 'Down and Out Blues'). DJ is also a helluva blues harmonica player and currently fronts a band called the Harry Smith's. The future looks bright.

Modern Delta Blues: Fat Possum Records (you can get a CD sampler from this label pretty cheap). Start with the Robert Palmer productions, R L Burnside, Cedell Davis, the Jelly Roll Kings, Juniour Kimbrough.

Desert Island Discs: Band related - 'Basement Tapes'. Non-Band related 'Harry Smith Anthology of American Folk' (although you could make a case that this is Band related as well).


Posted on Sat Jan 29 14:49:53 CET 2000 from bay-set7-ip-52.se-tel.com (63.70.188.52)

Misty (mid)

From: Kentucky

Somone asked me the other day what my ONE favorite band song was..well I can't choose just one song for the entire band since they are blessed with so many different voices. Instead I noted my favorite songs of each performer...I hope others will join in on this one! *Robbie belting Out of The Blue was enough for me! *Garth's organ on Chest Fever-stirring! *Levon's The Night they Drove Ole Dixie Down-that southern drawl! *Richard's Country Boy as previously mentioned breathtaking! *Rick's wailing on It makes no difference-love that one Love you too Dan, and thank you. god bless Mid


Posted on Sat Jan 29 10:33:48 CET 2000 from ts1-4.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.4)

D.Smith

From: The left coast

My desert island picks [and i hope this island has lots batteries] would be Tom Waits Raindogs and Steve Earle/Del McCoury Band "The Mountain".As much as i love The Band these two records are tops with me.If i had room for one more it would be the greatest hit's package just for "Don't Do It" great tune that. Peace Doug


Posted on Sat Jan 29 09:49:21 CET 2000 from alb2-as5200-36-84.termserv.net (208.20.67.84)

TSaxMan16

From: My Bedroom

Hmmm I'm becoming a regular in here... anyways, I figured I would comment on the new ongoing (though totally unoriginal ;-)) idea of "If you were stranded on a desert island..."

Now I'll be the first to admit I'm not a big Band fan, but from listening to my Mom's tapes (and stealing a few from time to time ;-)) there is one Band record I'd be willing to be stranded on a desert island with... Jericho. It's by far if I hadda pick a favorite, my favorite Band album... even if I won't admit it to Mom ;-). And Mom, I've admitted it once, I won't again ;-)

The second CD is probably one you've never heard of. The title is Let's Face It, and it's done by The Mighty Mighty Bosstones... It's music that always can put me in a good mood... Which you're going to need if yer stranded in the middle of Gilligan's Isle :)

Anyways, with that last thought, I'll now leave you guys back to your Band discussions :). Night everyone.

TSM16


Posted on Sat Jan 29 08:49:28 CET 2000 from (203.197.122.167)

Supratik

From: Calcutta

.....or on Fresh cream for that matter.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 08:45:10 CET 2000 from (203.197.122.167)

Supratik

From: Calcutta

BTW I heard Robert Johnson being mentioned here some time back. Well, the Calcutta Book Fair’s going on right now and I picked up a copy of RL’s Dream by Walter Mosley which is a fictionalised account of a dying blues singer looking back at his association with RJ in the mid 30s and his obsession with RJ. Pretty well written book though there’s not much about RJ himself. Just for the record, I picked up this book for 75 rupees when the printed price was 5.99 Pounds ( 1 pound = Rs.72 ) Feels nice especially since the book is in mint condition.:)

As for the Anyone for Tennis (Clapton/Sharp) query. This song was released by Cream in May 1968 as a single. The only album I know on which this song appears is The Very Best of Cream which is a damn good compilation. Don't think this appears on Goodbye.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 08:17:50 CET 2000 from irv132.kih.net (209.209.166.132)

Dan

From: KY

The Band's Jubilation and either Paul Simon's Graceland, or Van Morrison's Moondance. Thank you Mid for showing me how great The Band and VM are, I don't know how I overlooked them so long!! I really don't care what albums I have as long as I have you!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted on Sat Jan 29 07:40:08 CET 2000 from (203.197.121.253)

Supratik

From: Calcutta

Hey ,its great to be back. Exams are over and I finally got time to surf the web. YooHoo !!!

My desert island albums ? Here goes :

1. To Kingdom Come : because it has more Band stuff than any other Band album I know

2. Allman Brothers’ live Fillmore Concerts.These guys can really rock a joint!!!

The most underrated Band song too has a no. of contenders. The top 4 after hours of tearing my hair apart are : When I paint my Masterpiece, To Kingdom Come, Look out Cleveland and Out of the Blue.

I have almost never heard anybody mention the last one but I like it a helluva lot ( no brickbats please :)


Posted on Sat Jan 29 06:15:19 CET 2000 from pool-209-138-8-193.ipls.grid.net (209.138.8.193)

Bobby Jones

From: C - bus

The tropical island thing: Rock of Ages and CSNY - DEJA VU. Now I am going to ask the people on the islands around me to please play your music LOUD, so I can enjoy also. Does anyone know anything about Rick being asked to join the Honey Drippers in the early Eighties.? My favorite Rick songs, When you awake (recorded) The Jealous Kind (live shows, not recorded).


Posted on Sat Jan 29 05:42:42 CET 2000 from cf3-acld.auckland.clix.net.nz (203.97.2.251)

Bruce E. Collins

From: Dunedin New Zealand

Great Web Site. I have been a fan since hearing "BIG PINk" echoing from my brothers bed room. Great music --- just purchased Jubilation--pretty good--I would like to konw how it compares with the CD High on the hog which I do not have yet. You think your a southern man Levon--living in Dunedin New Zealand you are fairly south of the old dixie line. Bruce E.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 04:59:12 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

Bob Wyman

From: Colorado
Home page

Underrated? How about "When You Awake"? Or Acadian Driftwood?


Posted on Sat Jan 29 04:43:01 CET 2000 from dialup-371.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.115)

A Tall Oak Tree

From: When I paimt my Masterpiece Boulevard
Home page

OK, Folks, which came first? The Masterpiece or The Masterpiece Egg? I might'nt read everthing properly here, so if anyone already HAS mentioned "When I Paint My Masterpiece" as the most under-rated Band song, I offer my apologies..........but it is.....I think.....Anyway, Wot's the deal w/ that song?......I grew up hearing it on Bob Dylans "Greatest Hits II"...THEN I heard The Bands version. Who put it out first? And why does Levon sing different words to Bob?........I could probably search on this site and a Bob Dylan site to see .....but it's much more fun hearing about it from you, folks.......thanx for the turn ons I get from these pages........I think " Masterpiece is great because.......it fades in.......they were really good for writng and playing songs about travelling across North America and it took Bob to write 'em a song about rolling thru Europe......they went and changed it, anyway.....their words are great too, and add to the whole story....Garth gettin' to play the Accordian....the Dirty Gondola........Levon singing it......Ricks big Bass BOOM at the start........How did all the changes come about?......All of which reminds me Why was'nt Robbie at The Dylan 30th thing in NYC?....and come to think of it why did'nt the Greatful Dead do that show, either? Oh yeah, and how come The Dead did'nt show at TLW? Were they on the road? I KNOW there are Dead-Heads out there who could tell me where they were if they were gigging somewhere else............ Beatle Freaks reading this: In "Penny Lane" is that John Lennon singing "in summer, meantime back".........before McCartney kicks back in? The only albums you need on a desert island are: The Basement Tapes, The White Album, The Velvet Underground, Electric Ladyland, Blue, Exile, ANYTHING by Bob Marley......oh ...yer only allowed two, eh? Who wants to go to an island where you can only have two albums?........John Prines 1st album, a Chess collection, Astral weeks, Kate Bushs The Whole Story.......hello to all those who got back to me about those shows in Dublin......I'm not really a Tall Oak Tree, a'tall a'tall.......as they say round here.....I'm Hank......Good Evenin'!!!


Posted on Sat Jan 29 04:44:19 CET 2000 from spider-wb073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.183)

Ghost Rider

The Band's Brown Album and The Rolling Stones' Beggars Banquet. Or maybe Big Pink and Revolver. Or Rock of Ages and Bringin' It All Back Home. Hey guys, enjoy the island. I'm staying right here at home with all my music!

Whoever asked: "Anyone For Tennis" was from Cream's debut album, Fresh Cream. (Hmmmm...maybe that, along with Stage Fright...?)


Posted on Sat Jan 29 02:34:35 CET 2000 from internet-fw.dpws.nsw.gov.au (202.139.47.18)

Blindboy

From: Australia

My two CD choices would be The Band= Big Pink and other would be Layla and other Assorted Love Songs. Ragtime in answer to your query...Anyone for Tennis was a Cream single in 1969...also appears on the Goodbye CD release.


Posted on Sat Jan 29 01:43:03 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: the tennis court

Miscellaneous & current affairs:

I'm told not to cheat on the desert island, so I won't smuggle Big Pink in... sob... but my second disc would be Ry Cooders "Into The Purple Valley". Sorry Peter, "What's Going On" definitely didn't make it, in spite of your much appreciated efforts.

Who did "Anyone For Tennis"? Clapton/Cream? Please help me out.

re Wittgenstein: you know Ludwig's older brother Paul was a famous one-armed pianist?

Most underrated Band member - Garth Hudson (allright Ilkka?).

Mr. Postman, wait a minute and knock on mr. Gabite's door...


Posted on Sat Jan 29 01:17:26 CET 2000 from spider-tl082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.212)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo St.

Bob Wyman: Kick-ass picture of yourself and Rick!


Posted on Sat Jan 29 00:51:15 CET 2000 from 209-239-196-34.oak.jps.net (209.239.196.34)

Molly Z.

I don't remember f i answered this yet, but I will here. the two must-have albums: The Band, and Exile On Mainstreet, from the Stones. Great album. Stay warm everyone, and don't work too hard. Molly


Posted on Fri Jan 28 23:40:27 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

brien sz

From: NJ

Liz: We all get our own island BUT they are in the South Pacific and all within a short swim or wade away

Double cd's count as one because it's meant to be the same body of work.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 21:33:49 CET 2000 from du-tele3-070.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.70)

Peter Viney

Enjoyed Hank’s post about the Dublin show, though as an Englishman I naturally felt sorry for Lord Nelson on his pillar, but at least he was spared any more years of pigeon crap :-)

Illka: Was “Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus” the album after Rattus Norveticus or Ars Longa Brevis? Wittegenstein was a mean drummer, though weak on his rolls. I liked his stuff with Amon Duul and Kraftwerk. Still, he had a better sense of rhythm than Hegel who got too tied up in his spirals.

OK, Desert Island, “The Band” just beats “Stage Fright”. Haven’t posted on this before because I’m lost between “Graceland” (which would keep my wife happy), “What’s Going On” (maybe my most-played album) and “Catch-A-Fire” which would fit the ambience if the island were tropical. On the other hand, that island could be north of Scotland, or even in the Bering Straits. In which case Van’s Celtic airs would be needed to fight the Arctic blasts. “The Healing Game” is too recent to win such a serious decision, so either “The Best Of Vol 1” or again my wife’s choice, “Irish Heartbeat”. I’d play “Raglan Road” non-stop but she prefers “Marie’s Wedding.” Alright, in the interests of domestic harmony, it’s “Graceland”.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 21:30:19 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

Bob Wyman

From: Colorado
Home page

Hi everyone, as I promised I have posted a picture of Rick and myself on my homepage. Go and have a look! Bob


Posted on Fri Jan 28 20:37:19 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

As many of you know, Atlanta, Ga. is hosting the annual Super Bowl (American football championship) game this Sunday. I have a suggestion for all Band fans who will be watching the game and perhaps enjoying a party in celebration of the event. Before the game and during the overblown & inane halftime "musical" event, turn down the sound of the television and play your favorite Band songs. Load up the CD changer with Band albums and program your own setlist. This would be a perfect occasion to pay tribute to Rick Danko. Crank up the volume and enjoy the festive atmosphere. Laissez les bon temps roulez (excuse my French)!


Posted on Fri Jan 28 20:33:10 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

The Hall of Fame inductions are always edited for television. They started showing them on TV the year after the Band was inducted. In fact, they are a lot of people in the industry who wish the thing wasn't televised at all.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 19:12:55 CET 2000 from 216-1-128-67.akorn.net (216.1.128.67)

Mike Carrico

From: down the road apiece

David Powell - Amen to your observations on Howlin'Wolf, one of my favorite singers; could never figure out if that voice was coming in from outer space or springing up from the earth right through him... definitely "otherworldly".

On that desert island I'd need Big Pink and Astral Weeks to nourish the soul, and would have to manage to sneak in a 45 of Screamin'Jay Hawkins' "I Put A Spell On You" for comic relief.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 18:50:50 CET 2000 from proxy-607.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.167)

Scott

I do not believe the complexity of a chord progression in a song determines the quality of the tune. I think a combination of factors contribute... An example that comes to mind is Neil Young "Helpless". Simple, yes but extremely moving and emotional. Now Jubilation may have songs that do not use complex chord progressions, but I do not rate songs on that level. I do enjoy interesting structure, but I also look at the great arrangements, the emotional vocals and simply songs played with honesty, joy and mind blowing musical talent. That's what my ears hear in this album. The cd swings back and forth from an old timey to R & B feel, quite effectively....Anyway, just my humble, rambling opinion...


Posted on Fri Jan 28 18:30:08 CET 2000 from spider-wa013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.23)

franko

From: boston

Bob -

I added my name to the "fan club" list after one of Rick's shows in Foxboro, MA, shortly before his Japanese adventure. I never heard anything about the fan club again, but really never expected to.

That night was the only time I ever spoke with Rick, and it was similar the the experiences that so many have documented here the past two months. He sat at a table after the show, talked and joked with everyone, sold a few CD's, etc. He autographed a "THE BAND" baseball cap that I bought that night. We talked for a few seconds about nothing in particular. As I was walking away he shouted out to me "Hey. Frank. You got a pick?" I walked back to the table and we both laughed as he fished around in his pockets for awhile and finally came up with a black guitar pick with "The Band" on one side and "Rick Danko" on the other. Another favorite keepsake of mine.

I was asked the desert island question once at a party, one book, one movie, and one CD. I answered This Wheel's on Fire, The Last Waltz, and Big Pink. I sure got some looks that night.

My CD's today would be BP and Born to Run, which never left my turntable during my freshman year in college. In 1999 I saw both Bruce, on his acclaimed tour playing in front of 17,000, and Rick, in a divey local bar that has since gone out of business, in front of about 100. As much as I like Bruce, as I look back I'm sure glad that I was one of the hundred.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 18:30:18 CET 2000 from (204.38.165.142)

Twilight

I saw the opening show of the CSNY2K gig in Detroit on Monday night. I have to say - I really enjoyed the show. I thought the song selection was great. Second song was "Southern Man" - I was really happy with that. I yelled out "They got it now, Robbie" at several quiet moments. I have to say that I was nervous - first show Id seen since Rick in December - I left feeling like it was well worth the time. Made me wish I'd seen the original five at some point.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 18:07:45 CET 2000 from 1cust234.tnt1.topeka.ks.da.uu.net (63.13.63.234)

Dexy

If you ask me, the entire Band catalogue is underrated -- not by us or most critics, but by the public at large. However, my vote is for Just Another Whistle Stop. Also agree about Jake.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 17:33:45 CET 2000 from spider-wk012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.152)

Sam

Desert island: The Band & Dr. John's Gris Gris.

But it's a tough call. Storyville's a contender as are several Van Morrison albums not to mention the Mozart clarinet quintet. Okay, okay, I'll stay away from classical here. The good doctors' New Orleans CD -- fabulous. Duke Ellington with Johnny Strayhorn playing "A Flower is a Lovesome Thing. Thelonious Monk, solo work. Stay away from jazz too? King Sunny Ade...

Aw it's just too hard to choose. Too much good music in the world, terrible problem...


Posted on Fri Jan 28 17:18:38 CET 2000 from dialup-260.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.4)

Hank Wedel

From: The Twilight Zone

Howzit goin' folks? Wow!! The response to the Eric Clapton strap thing has been amazing me......I guess Scorcese was right to insist on it being in the movie.........I really appreciate all the comments on the subject....thanks!! Someone on these pages asked recently for folks to write in about seeing The Band or Rick play in recent years..... Well, here's one for ya.........In 1996 The Band were booked to play 2 nights in Dublins Olympia Theatre......Of course, I made plans to go.....got my name on the guest list thru some well connected folks in Dublin....even got a back stage pass...lucky me!!!! Got to Dublin.....met a buddy of mine...Larry Hogan, who actually recorded with Rick... a few pints....a coupla puffs.....let's go see The Band......got back stage, hoping to meet Rick, lig about and watch the gig from the wings......we sussed a really weird backstage atmoshpere.....no sign of any of the guys.....so we went out into the main hall to watch the show......They ambled onstage......you could tell all was not good.....they began to play......."Tesitfy", I think.....sounded pretty good...you could tell it was The Band, alright....but I could see there was something was up.....Something was up alright 'cos after the first number Levon announced "great to be back in London"....not a good thing to say when your actually in Dublin.......The crowd kinda murmured their discontent and Levon growled into his mike.."GRRRRRRRRRRRRR".....scary shit, folks....I got a chill up my spine hearing it.....Things went from bad to worse to horrendous very fast....after "Rag Mama Rag" Levon stood up from his drum seat and THREW his mandolin violently into the wings.....after three songs, Rick sat on a stool whilst playing......after eight songs he left the stage altogether..and did'nt return.......Levon ran down to play bass on some bluesy tunes they did to kinda finish the gig ...I remember being impressed with that, actually....dead cool.....and he growled that scary "GRRRRRRRRR" a coupla more times during the show.........Well, what can I tell ya folks? People from the audience were crying, cursing wildy, some demanding their money back..........I got backstage with my buddy Larry but again, everyone was running scared....went to the bar in The Olympia and met some friends up from Cork....the basic reaction we all had was "well, at least it was'nt BORING"....one guy said...where else would you get it? That kinda drama?.....but what the hell is going on?...........Now, the next night was unbelievable for a different reason ........THEY PLAYED AND SANG AND ROCKED AND ROLLED FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS.......BRILLIANTLY......as if the night before did'nt happen.......Rick came out on stage draped in an Irish Flag, which he waved around ..after the first number, he told the story of when they last played in Dublin in 1966 w/ Bob Dylan, the IRA blew up Nelsons Pillar the same night, which got a huge cheer from the crowd, as you might imagine.......a great show...magical.......went backstage.......met Rick ......all was well....Now folks, I've heard subsequently that, on that first night in Dublin, a well known singer-songwriter had met the guys in the Band before the gig and had laid some serious smack on 'em....sad, eh? However, lemme say something here...I can remember, at the time, that The Sex Pistols were playing a reunion gig in London around the same time....there was alot in the press about it....I thought then, and still feel the same, that the Sex Pistols gig woulda been one of those well contolled Rock Industry Multi-Media events...loadsa celebs ...security....no drugs backstage...or onstage......really Punk Rock (not)....whereas The Band in Dublin were more scary and rebellious and naughty boys than The Sex Pistols could ever even PRETEND to be........sorry for going on so long here...........God Bless The Band......HANK


Posted on Fri Jan 28 16:58:27 CET 2000 from server1.nabco.cave.net (216.28.202.146)

greg

Home page

paul godfrey: funny you mentioned the class of '55 project. just picked it up earlier this week after reading roy's biography. love everything on it, especially the johnny cash stuff.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 16:51:30 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Sam Phillips, founder of Sun Records, worked with so many great artists--Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison, Carl Perkins, etc. His favorite singer, however, was Chester Burnett, aka Howlin' Wolf. This is how he described the Wolf's unique voice: "When I heard Howlin' Wolf, I said, 'This is for me. This is where the soul of man never dies.' "

It seems that everyone's first reaction, upon hearing that voice for the first time, is a sense of wonder--Where does that sound come from? It has an other-worldly, almost feral quality to it. As a young man growing up in the Delta, Wolf actually worked with two of the most influential, early pioneers of the blues, Charlie Patton and Robert Johnson. Rice Miller (Sonny Boy Williamson II) married Wolf's half-sister and taught the Wolf how to play harmonica. However, it was the legendary country singer, Jimmie Rogers, who would have a profound effect on the Wolf's singing style. The Wolf, who was a big fan of "the singing brakeman", took that famous blue yodel, added a bit of his own deep primal roar, and came up with an eerie-sounding, earth shaking howl.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 16:42:47 CET 2000 from bay-set8-ip-137.se-tel.com (63.70.189.137)

Misty (mid)

From: Kentucky

I have had my Jericho cd for some time now, but had never really had the chance to get past track 5. Well I did yesterday, and I was totally floored by what I think is Richard Manuel singing..Oh it was beautiful, a ballad called COUNTRY BOY. Mesmerizing, took my breath away. What a soulfoul,powerful voice this man posessed. I must've listened to those sugar coated lyrics a hundred times: "I'v e got silver, silver in the stars and gold in the morning sun" AHHHH All I can do is shake my head in disbelief at the totality of their music. It means so much to so many. God Bless misty


Posted on Fri Jan 28 15:15:16 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

Liz and Deb: Thanks for the info, but that does me no good. No VH1 here. I've never heard of it being televised on Much Music (our music station counterpart). But they are picking up more of VH1's programming so maybe it's coming. I guess I'd have to get a satelite dish. Thanks anyways.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 14:53:38 CET 2000 from pm3-23.london.webgate.net (216.99.96.142)

Paul Godfrey

Attention: Southwestern Ontario Canada Band Fans: The Band Site Home page resident artist "Paul Fleming" also London jazzman, arranger and composer plus the HIGHER GROUND CHOIR are joined by guests in presenting a concert of gospel and gospel-influenced music (tomorrow)Saturday night at 8pm. The choir appears at Rowntree Memorial Church, 156 Elliott Street (at Cheapside Street, east of Adelaide in London) Tickets are $10. For information call 519 438-1108 or 432-8075. This information reported in the London Free Press moring edition.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 14:25:00 CET 2000 from spider-we064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.49)

Bob

From: Burlington, Vt

I have a kind of obscure question for everyone who has been to see The Band or Rick or any of the solo acts in the last five or six years. Each time I have been to a show, I signed a fanclub list, which was organized by George Lambesis, The Band's photographer in the 90s. I often saw him at shows in Vermont. My question is, did anyone else sign on this list? If so, did you ever get anything? I never once had anything mailed to me and I was always disappointed about it. That's why I was so happy about this web site. I have access to a computer, but there have to be thousands of people who would like info but have none. Just thought I'd throw that out. Bob


Posted on Fri Jan 28 12:30:11 CET 2000 from spider-wb062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.177)

Liz

From: here

Deb, have you seen the Hall of Fame shows? on VH1? in past years? I dont think they left anything out. I understand how commercials and "breaks" work, I was on the radio for 12 years..watch for it, Its a great show, good way to see all the Rock n Roll legends .........


Posted on Fri Jan 28 12:18:16 CET 2000 from pm3-036.efn.org (206.163.180.36)

deb

From: oregon

Kerrilyn: Good question; why don't we see it all? Liz: Thanks for answering. To elaborate: something gets left out, most likely to make room for commercial advertisements, and that is usually a producer's choice as to what doesn't get aired. That is the unfortunate truth of it. As is the news (which is mainly what I work on), we are only given so many minutes, and information must be condensed, sometimes severely. If you notice, the Academy Awards show every year glosses over the technical awards (one of my favorite parts) and the more "dry" stuff. I believe they even have a separate awards ceremony at a different time for some of those awards. You would have to be in the audience to get the whole of it. If enough people wanted to see something like that and wrote to the producers of the show (or the network that televised it), they MIGHT change the format. Hope this is enlightening.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 12:05:36 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: the doctor who read Wittgenstein when he was young and now at this old age has come to terms with what's called the meaning of life

1.1.1.1.1 The Band's music is real & full of life, even if we can download it from cyberspace


Posted on Fri Jan 28 08:21:20 CET 2000 from du25-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.25)

Ilkka

From: straitjacket
Home page

After reading Ludwig Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus in 41 hours without any sleep I have now figured out this gb community completely:
1. We don't exist; Jan has created us in his imagination.
1.1. Jan does not exist; the computers in Ostfold College has created him in their imagination.
1.1.1. Ostfold College does not exist; the computers in the Ministry for Higher Education in Norway have created it in their imagination.
1.1.1.1. Norway does not . . . WAIT A MINUTE! (I have still some thinking to do.)


Posted on Fri Jan 28 08:00:24 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

ed blayzor

From: patterson,ny

my band cd would be stagefright,my non band cd would be the beatles- white album.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 07:17:53 CET 2000 from spider-ta085.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.12)

Liz

From: here

Kerilyn, they announce "the Rock and Roll H of Fame" inductees on VH1 and sometimes show the "jams" after taping them( usually in NY) or you could go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Website, so watch VH1 for the Show, Ive seen a few R &R -H of F shows there.......


Posted on Fri Jan 28 07:16:22 CET 2000 from alb2-as5200-09-57.termserv.net (208.20.67.57)

TSaxMan16

From: My Bedroom

Mattk - Thanks for the word of warning on the neck strap deal. To tell you the truth, I narrowly avoiding dropping the school's Bari the other day. My neck strap's bar on the clip (I have a NeoTech, and I had a weird clip type thing on the end, kinds like the clips on some dog leashes, you push the bar in and set the hook thorough the neck strap hole in the sax) snapped and the thing woulda fell in I wasn't holding it playing at the time... I'll tell ya though, the sudden weight drop cut the heck outta my bottom lip :). But the hook is still fine, and it still holds the sax, and that bar breaking fixed a few problems, so I'm happy... I'll be happy when under my lips heals ;-)

Of course, I think I should be more worried about damaging the instrument myself... I destroyed my first instrument (Flute) by sitting on it... Yes sitting on it :) So I think my rear is more dangerous than my neck strap :)

Thanks again for the word of advice though. Night everyone.

TSM16


Posted on Fri Jan 28 06:39:22 CET 2000 from spider-syd-aa044.proxy.aol.com (202.67.64.149)

Sean

From: Melbourne

Listened to a tribute to the late great Curtis Mayfield last night, I could see why Robbie was so impressed by his guitar sound. A friend of mine is refusing to speak to me because I chose Big Pink instead of The Band to take on the island with me! Hoping to visit the states sometime this year probably early next. I'm going to beg, borrow and steal to get up to woodstock to see Levon and Garth perfom. Have a nice weekend everyone.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 06:22:27 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I've got a question for everyone (especially Deb - she's in the TV biz). Am I missing something or are the Hall of Fame inductions not televised?? I've never see one, only sound bites on say CNN. When are the names announced etc? I was just wondering since someone brought up Clapton presenting to The Band. You hear of these great moments and you think: Where was I? I don't hear much about this every year and I couldn't name who's inducted or not. If they aren't televised then why not? These are influencial artists, the "greats". How come they don't get the same hype as other awards shows like the grammys etc. And if they are televised then clue me in cause I wouldn't want to miss it.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 05:41:19 CET 2000 from proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.93)

Larry DeSpain

From: Ky

Kerrilyn after hearing live at Watkins Glen for about the last 2 hours sounds like Rick singing lead on Time To Kill


Posted on Fri Jan 28 05:41:33 CET 2000 from 98ac427e.ipt.aol.com (152.172.66.126)

Liz

From: under the snow bank

hey Brian.... you only get to bring one Band CD and one other,.Though I love your choices........and - are we all together on the same Island ? or are we alone, with just our own 2 CD's ???


Posted on Fri Jan 28 05:14:56 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

brien sz

From: NJ

1 Band cd - Top choice would have to be the one that hooked me - Rock of Ages

Second choice non-Band - I'd throw these in the hat and be happy with whatever one i picked -- Stevie Ray/Albert King Sessions - Just a fantastic blend of old and new style blues - but the soul is the same - Yessongs, cause those guys could flat out Tear It Up (if your're into progressive) Jeff Beck - Blow by Blow (Loved the style), Van Morrison - San Fransico Nights OR Billy Bragg/Wilco - Mermaid Avenue (Had to throw something from the 90's in the mix)

Most underrated Band song - Get up Jake


Posted on Fri Jan 28 05:13:44 CET 2000 from spider-to073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.78)

Pacific46

From: SF

In-the-shower thoughts: If that island were in the Caribbean I'd say screw the boom box, head for Cuba! The music there (from early son montunos to current songo groups like Los Van Van) mixed with warm, tropical nights, would be heaven on earth. Might even see Belafonte there ;) But then there's always sucous or zouk music so perfect for the islands. Can't forget Bob Marley. And could never tire of "The Harder They Come" soundtrack. Hot salsa? Conjunto Libre! African? King Sunny Ade's first "JuJu" album. Romantic rainy nights in the states? doo wop. Drivin' music? Mr. Carl Perkins! Memories? Sgt. Pepper's. OK OK I'll stop!


Posted on Fri Jan 28 04:48:54 CET 2000 from jaxtnt1-186.fdn.com (216.199.4.200)

JC Bradford

From: Tunbridge, VT

Now ask yourself why four out of five people picked The Band (Brown Album) as their first pick for an island and why the most underrated song garnered the same reaction...most everyone picked a song from that album.....some picked all twelve. I am convinced that it is because of the quality of the melody and the chording. Obviously the lyrics were interesting but look...there is not one three chord.....1-4-5 song on the album.....not one on their first four albums.....Is it any wonder that no one picked a single cut from Moondog Matinee ever in any of their favorites? That was obviuosly a throw away musically, just trying to complete a contract....but still I don't think I have listened to my vinyl more than ten times since...what...'73.... I put it on every couple of years thinking that there must be something there......WRONG....I hate to draw the ire but listening to Jubilation....less Book Faded Brown....with a capo I could play each and every song with three chords total. I am sorry...that is not what I have listened to these people constantly for the last thirty two years for. They were the best because musically they were untouched when they were on and they kept on coming back with winners....Northern Lights....Jericho. Too bad the train had to stop, but think of all the great cuts we have for time eternal..OK....Shoot


Posted on Fri Jan 28 04:26:34 CET 2000 from spider-wd041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.166)

Pacific46

From: SF

Great picks everyone! Forgot about "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" yet it completely changed my music listening. Gram Parsons, Tom Waits, (the Band of course, Brian's masterpiece "Pet Sounds," the Clash "London Calling," Emmylou, Jack Bruce,all the blues masters mentioned -- so much great music! Love that New Orleans stuff too: Earl King, Dr. John, Toussaint, Neville Bros., Professor Longhair. Neil Young with Crazy Horse, Blind Faith, Pink Floyd. The list is endless and I could never select just a few. To use Rick's words, "Keep on' rockin'!"


Posted on Fri Jan 28 04:22:31 CET 2000 from spider-tj011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.176)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Stanley Landau-I recieved an e-mail from a Toronto resident who says the same thing as you. In fact he states that, if anything, the situation was reversed. He describes the audience as being a little restless during some of Dylan's songs(I assume he refers to his solo acoustic sets} and giving The Band a hometown heros welcome. Sigh... I wish I could have been there. On another subject- as well as being a music junkie, I have been a political wonk for most of my adult life. I am slowly becoming more and more disillusioned with it all and am finding it hard to get out and vote for anybody in any type of election. Well, tonite, music definitely won out. I skipped the State of the Union address and watched Willie Nelson's Teatro which I taped off of CMC last week. Robbie Robertson makes a brief appearance as someone in this GB mentioned recently. I found watching a live performance much more enjoyable than listening to the album. Daniel Lanois production are something of an acquired taste. It took me a long time to appreciate RR's 1st solo album, although I eventually did. I still haven't been able to warm up to Emmy Lou's last 2 albums, Wrecking Ball and Spyboy, and I'm a major fan of hers. This of course is all my opinion, as all of these albums, including Teatro have been highly critically acclaimed. Has anyone heard Lanois' recent solo album-just curious.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 04:21:15 CET 2000 from pm3-228.efn.org (206.163.180.228)

deb

From: oregon

Back again; I forgot something else: how was the Wednesday night Joyous Lake gig? Details, please, for those of us too far away...


Posted on Fri Jan 28 04:17:50 CET 2000 from pm3-228.efn.org (206.163.180.228)

deb

From: oregon

One part I especially like in The Last Waltz is when Garth talks about some people thinking that jazz is evil, and made by evil people, but then he says that some of the great preists in the streets were playing healing music for the people who needed it. Comments, everyone?


Posted on Fri Jan 28 04:14:16 CET 2000 from pm3-228.efn.org (206.163.180.228)

deb

From: oregon

Okay, good idea; everyone getting together so we don't duplicate our cd selection on the island. I forgot a good non-Band cd: Pink Floyd's Dark Side of The Moon. Darn, there are just too many. And, now that Kerrilyn (and others) brought Robbie up again: have any of you seen "Carny?" And what is your favorite scene? He is pretty sexy in that movie (like, how could he NOT be sexy). I used to sell records at a big record convention in town here every February, and a woman would come by asking if I had any Robbie Robertson collectibles. Of course, I said: "They're all at home." Which would lead to animated discussions of his life and work; us comparing every item we had in our respective collections.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 03:29:40 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

Scott

Hey, all this postive discussion is fantastic !!!....I received the Howlin' Wolf, Chess Box Set over the holidays, but was not inspired to listen to it until recently. Wow !!! He is simply wonderful. Where does that voice come from ? Anyone who enjoys the blues should check him out !!.....Someone mentioned The Clash earlier. Yeah, they are great !!!....A friend of mine gave me a Rick Danko guitar pick today. She has several and new I always wanted one. Just thought I would mention this kind gesture to you all....


Posted on Fri Jan 28 03:08:23 CET 2000 from ch1smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.61)

Blind Willie McTell

Desert island Band album question: Does "Rock Of Ages" count?

Twice as long as any previous Band album. If not, I pick The Band album.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 02:57:08 CET 2000 from 2cust95.tnt7.chi1.da.uu.net (63.20.151.95)

Elise

From: Chicago,IL

I like the look of the site. Now I need to check out the music. I am looking for any relations to a Bryan Peter Pacheco born to Joseph and Antoniette Pacheco on 03-22-55 ihn Espanola, New Mexico. Any info. that I can pass along to my 2 teenage daughters would be of great help. Thanks. Elise Pacheco


Posted on Fri Jan 28 02:25:44 CET 2000 from 98ac4ba8.ipt.aol.com (152.172.75.168)

Liz

From: The Great White North

2 CD's ?????? this is a "toughie" The Band - To Kingdom Come [The Difinitive Collection] (34 songs !) and......... The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds , or like many others , I may risk my life to bring more music to the Island........


Posted on Fri Jan 28 02:02:05 CET 2000 from cr514777-a.yec1.on.wave.home.com (24.114.57.20)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

Bashful Bill, I attended the two '74 concerts at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto. There was no booing whatsoever and the audience loved The Bands' sets.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 01:48:12 CET 2000 from spider-wc022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.27)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Carmen-your comment on certain people feeling that the boy's music on the BT "corrupted" Dylan's music reminded me of a pet peeve. One of my great laments in life is not having attended any of the '74 Before The Flood shows. However, every single person I have ever talked to that did make it has told me the same thing:During The Band's sets there was always a small vocal minority of the audience complaining that they were there to hear and see Dylan.Some would go so far as to boo and yell stuff like "Get off the stage!" I've never been able to understand that. I would think even a rabid Dylan fan would see the historical significance of the pairing and appreciate the circumstances. Maybe they were disgruntled holdouts from the folk shows, which in reality were not all that far in the distant past at that time.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 01:39:28 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

rod

Home page

Most underrated Band songs: Right As Rain, Katies Been Gone, Orange Juice - why the first two weren't hit singles I don't know.
Most overrated Band song : The Weight
Worst Band songs: most of Jubilation,2nd half of HOH
Best Band songs: changes alot but generally ChestFever,King Harvest, Ophelia, Orange Juice,Rag Mama Rag etc etc


Posted on Fri Jan 28 01:13:16 CET 2000 from irv162.kih.net (209.209.166.162)

dan & misty

From: usa

Okay if we had to choose 2 albums; one being of The Band, and one not; I chose TheLast Waltz and Bob Dylan's Blood On The Tracks...Dan chooses; Jubilation, and Paul Simon's Graceland.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 00:58:10 CET 2000 from spider-tj051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.196)

Dennis

From: Right now, wind chill's -28 farenheit in West Saugerties ('bout 3 miles from Big Pink), New York

Did't make last evening's show, so sorry, no report. For those of you close, Mr. Hudson is scheduled to do a lecture/show thing at Ulster County Community College in Stone Ridge, N.Y., on Wednesday, February 23rd. Event time is listed as eight p.m. Not sure how that will affect the Barn Burner's line-up that evening. Two "fav's?" Brown album and Will the Circle Be Unbroken from the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. The latter features the likes of Roy Acuff, Vassar Clemmens, Mother Maybelle Carter, Earl Scruggs 'n Doc Watson. If I could sneak another on, I'd agree with an earlier post: The Wild, the Innocent and the E-Street Shuffle. Years back, as an early fan, I discovered that album was being recorded about two miles from my job at a glass factory in Blauvelt, N.Y. Hung just outside the door for hours just to hear those tunes: they were electric. Hope to see all of you next Wednesday......Dennis


Posted on Fri Jan 28 00:55:10 CET 2000 from spider-wo063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.48)

Sherry

From: Texas

Deb - good choice, Van is definately the man! Carmen, no heat from this corner, my Bruce vote is The River.

Late entries on the subject - what the Band's music means to me - the craftsmanship - it's Garth's musicianship, Robbie's guitar searing your ears like a white hot knife leaving you wanting more, Levon's attention to detail and his sideways style, Rick's happy flappy bass style and of course the voice, and of course, Richard's soul, and the voice, always the voice. I'm not big on fate, but truly believe these five were born for the purpose of being in that Band, at that time, to make that music. It couldn't have happened any other way. Music was not a choice for them, it was a necessity, like breathing. Always will be. I love their sense of history, of roots, of the depth and breadth and meaning of the ordinary man's life, they have colored those images for us so brilliantly. Altogether, five common men with exquisitly uncommon gifts, which were destined to be developed together, for the purpose of dropping such pearls and diamonds and other gems into our lives!


Posted on Fri Jan 28 00:21:22 CET 2000 from (206.191.15.194)

Bill

From: Toronto

Peter, the John Hammond sessions for Red Bird were produced, according to the resulting 45, by Leiber and Stoller - who co-owned the label at the time. So there's a good chance that that's what Robertson was referring to in the Guitar Playerinterview (which was really refreshing to read for some reason).

Carmen, I'll take Stage Fright and Jack Bruce's Song's From A Tailor. While neither is my absolute favourite in its category, each is a tad challenging in its own way - so there's always something new to entertain the marooned.

And Jan, thanks for posting the GP article. A link from the mention of the Robertson/Traynor pre-Band band (i.e., the Suedes) to your picture of the Suedes might be a nice touch when you have the time.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 00:18:33 CET 2000 from spider-syd-aa014.proxy.aol.com (202.67.64.134)

Sean

From: Australia

I haven't been in the GB for a while my Dad keeps telling me to find more productive ways of spending my time! My two desert island discs would be Music From Big Pink and Curtis Mayfields Superfly or What's Going On by Marvin Gaye. The most underatted Band song I think is Look Out Cleveland.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 00:11:40 CET 2000 from dialin-234.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.68)

Gene

It's a tough call but I'll go with "Big Pink" and a Beatles bootleg "March 5, 1963". Probably change my mind later, though.


Posted on Fri Jan 28 00:00:46 CET 2000 from ppp102.a2-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.9.102)

paulgodfrey

Desert Island Music... (1)TLW (2)Class of 55 with Carl Perkins Jerry Lee Lewis, Roy Orbison and John Cash. Talk about underated. In fact has anybody other than me heard of it.

Speaking of Desert Islands....I'm off to Cuba Saturday morning and you may have guessed what music I'm taking with me...all of the above plus. Recently I was given a copy of Ricky's Live on Breeze Hill. If you haven't got it...get it. The old songs are new again with arrangements that are wonderful. It is also a super showcase for Garth.

Any one for a good Cuban Cigar from Canada's 11th province? Shine On! ;o)


Posted on Thu Jan 27 23:38:58 CET 2000 from annex3-port68.ulster.net (208.133.194.68)

Kitrick Short

From: Woodstock NY
Home page

Levon is playing at the Lake in Woodstock every wed night Its great Garth plays with them also the group is great and the seating is up close $10. come see them and hear great people and music.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 23:22:57 CET 2000 from vdp009.ath03.cas.hol.gr (195.97.3.10)

a fan in Greece

From: Athens

Mattk, speaking of the Blues Brothers, Tom Malone is credited in the Last Waltz (I mean the movie). I guess he played there though I can't spot him anywhere. Can anyone tell me if you caught a glimps of him?


Posted on Thu Jan 27 23:07:28 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

Pehr I think you mean Showdown at big sky. "shootin out across the moon. Save this place. In a valley of tears, by the river of time...." I like Robbie's solo work, and his singing. I think he also has the most amazing speaking voice. There's a haunting quality to it. Rick has such a distinct voice, how can he be confused with Richard? But I've read that quite a bit in here. They must really "blend" 2 CD picks: Band - Jericho (never tire of listening to it) And Non Band: Depends on the desert island. Nice tropical one with nothing to do but sleep on the beach - Pink Floyd's Pulse. (it reminds me of the ocean). But if it's a snake infested one with hurricanes, and no food I'd need angry music to match my angry mood. Headstones' Picture of Health.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 23:03:25 CET 2000 from hud1-pm-20-80.termserv.net (204.97.156.80)

Diamond Lil

From: the island

I have a question about this desert island thing. Are we each on our _own_ island, or can we co-habitate? Picking only _one_ Band cd is impossible..so I refuse to be stranded alone. Perhaps we could arrange a 'group ship-wreck'..that way we'd have _all_ the necessary cd's covered.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 22:45:11 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Two discs? It's a goddamn impossible thing to ask. One Band disc? If I name my first choice - the Brown album - I'll never hear Tears of Rage, Weight, Chest Fever, W.S. Walcott, Daniel/Spaniel, Shape I'm In, Rumor, Ring Your Bell, Acadian Driftwood, Hobo Jungle, Rags And Bones again... and the prospect of dismissing Moon Struck One hardly compensates...

Second choice? Bach's Mass in B minor. Oh? Classical not allowed? Sigh... Than I have to cheat, sorry - Big Pink, of course, what else...

What else? Well, Basement Tapes, Stage Fright, Rock Of Ages, NLSC - and-so-on - this query is ridiculous...

Most underrated? Forgot The Well - magnificent piece of music.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 22:40:37 CET 2000 from (207.81.190.226)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

Time to Kill: Rick and Richard singing lead together.

Band album on a desert island - easy, "The Band". Non Band album - I was tempted to say Jericho on the basis of my view that it's not The Band if it doesn't have all five of the originals, but I'll say the first Rick Danko solo album, because I think I like it a tad better than Jericho.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 22:19:28 CET 2000 from pm3-019.efn.org (206.163.180.19)

deb

From: oregon

Band CD: The Last Waltz. Non Band CD (darn, why can't I pick two here; I sure hate to leave The Beatles out), but here goes: either Van Morrison's Moondance or The Best of Van Morrison (some of the same songs).


Posted on Thu Jan 27 21:52:53 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas

good post topics! I tend to think all The Band's music is under-rated in a way... and I love every Danko song I ever heard. lately coming home late at night i had an epiphany listening to the cut off Robbie's 1st solo album with Rick- darn, forgot the title- the shot the moon, (help I'm getting old) and of course "Bessie Smith". often wish Robbie had sung a few more songs with the boys in the old days, particularly with Rick.

Carmen: if I could only have 1 Band cd and 1 other I'd make like jessie james and rob record stores and live in a hideout!


Posted on Thu Jan 27 21:46:56 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Oops, missed the point on the two CD quiz. Let me start over:

Band Album: "The Band"

Non-Band Album: hmmmm...today, I'll say "London Calling" by The Clash just to be contrary. Seems like many folks here don't care for the Clash, though I doubt they've listened much. "London Calling" is arguably the best R/R album of the 1980s. Yeah, the guys in the group were obnoxious (Joe Strummer still is), but Mick Jones' compositional sensabilities are on par with Robbies and any Beatle you care to name, IMHO.

Also, on a more serious note. Fans of The Nighthawks, may wish to know that Jan Zukowski had hip surgery January 11, 2000 at Holy Cross Hospital, Silver Spring, Maryland and was in the hospital for 3 days. The operation went well and Jan and is now recovering at home. Jan was injured on stage February, 1979 in Columbia MO. at a nightclub. The wiring in the building was faulty and he was electrocuted when his hand grabbed the microphone and his other was on the bass neck. This caused an Avascular necrosis of the right femoral head. He had surgery ( An Osteotomy where a retained metallic fixation was utilized. ) in March 1980, and more surgery ( Arthroplasty of the right hip utilizing an AML prosthesis after removal of retained metallic fixation.) in July 1985. Jan will be recovering for about 6 weeks before returning to work. While he is recovering, the other members of the band will be working on separate projects.

You can send "get well" notes to Jan via his e-mail address at Jan@thenighthawks.com. More info available at The Nighthawks' website

Matt


Posted on Thu Jan 27 21:31:25 CET 2000 from jan-hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.52.15)

jh

Ahh ... the desert island thing again ... why not ... The Band: Music from Big Pink. Non-Band: Warren Zevon (Warren Zevon, 1976) or Grievous Angel (Gram Parsons, 1974) ... wait a minute ... maybe Candy Apple Grey (Hüsker Dü, 1986) instead. No, make that Pieces of the Sky (Emmylou (yum) Harris, 1975, a single with just "Boulder to Birmingham" would work, too). Wait a minute ... I'd need Tom Waits' Swordfishtrombones, too, and then the brown album, and all the others and ... and ...


Posted on Thu Jan 27 21:13:10 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I was just listening to that snipet of Time to Kill again. And there's such a blending of vocals on it, amazing. Does anyone know who is singing lead? I don't think I could hazard to guess.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 21:02:12 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

MattK: Thanks for the very extensive blues information. Excellent. I love to learn when the subject matter is so interesting. I was looking over the Band "under-rated" songs that everyone's listed. And some are definately "under-rated" because I'd not heard the names before. I've got to admit I haven't heard ALL the Band's stuff like The Basement Tapes etc. And I haven't transferred all my old vinyl to CD yet. I'm going to do it soon though. So I went to the audio files on this site to check these songs out. I found Time to Kill, which I'd completely forgotten about. I love that song. I used to play it over and over. I haven't listened to Stagefright (vinyl) in years and it slipped my mind. That's definately my next purchase. "Finding" that song again was better than finding $20 in your pants after wash day.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 20:56:49 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int01.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.67)

Bones

From: CT

Mattk: You are right about Clapton's strap, for it is rather common. At first, Robbie did not even want that to be shown in the movie, but Scorsese convinced him that this scene was a little gem and he was right. However, Robbie did edit this part on the soundtrack. On the record, you never hear Robbie come in when the strap breaks. I swear some people in the guestbook seem to lose their minds with regard to Robbie. Maybe it all comes from Levon, but it is so irrational that it makes me laugh.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 20:50:25 CET 2000 from 1cust27.tnt24.chi5.da.uu.net (63.28.6.27)

Jon

From: Missouri

I've always heard The Band on the radio, and enjoyed them, but I never went out and bought any music, because at the time I didn't have enough money to spend on them, because I already had a few favorite artist's already. I noticed a DVD at the store, Band-N.O. Jazzfest and bought it, and have been hooked ever since. Bought it about a month or two ago. Had to order the first two Band albums today. I told myself last year "you already got a hundred CD's, what do you need more for?" Well, I guess it's time for me to discover the Band. Guess I got a lot to look forward to, judging from this great website, which must be one of the beter on the web.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 20:41:28 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Speaking of Matt "Guitar" Murphy--he recorded a great album with Sonny Boy Williamson, entitled "Keep it To Ourselves." Originally recorded in Denmark in 1963, it was reissued in the '90s. It features Murphy on acoustic guitar, along with Memphis Slim on piano, accompanying Sonny Boy's powerful vocal/harmonica performances. The stripped down acoustic arrangements are recorded in stunning clarity with the dramatic intensity of Sonny Boy up front, rather than buried in the mix. Matt Murphy displays subtle skill on the acoustic guitar, adding just the right licks to highlight Sonny Boy's unique interpretations. Some of the highlights include haunting versions of "The Sky is Crying", "Don't Let Your Right Hand Know", "Coming Home to You Baby", "Why Are You Crying?", and "When The Lights Went Out."

This album is one of Sonny Boy's finest efforts from his later recordings, made just a few years before he returned home to Arkansas "to die." And it was there that he would hook up with The Band late one crazy night, as recalled in "The Last Waltz", by a group a young musicians in awe of Sonny Boy's amazing talent.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 20:24:50 CET 2000 from 169.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.169)

carmen

From: pa

My two (it took me some time to think about my own question)

Brown Album for the BAND & I know I will take some heat for this but I have to say Springsteen's The Wild, Innocent & E Street Shuffle.

I think the most underrated BAND Album is "The Basement Tapes". Many of the Dylan people have stated that the BAND material from the BT's corrupts the Dylan material. This just makes me crazy!


Posted on Thu Jan 27 20:09:07 CET 2000 from proxy-621.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.181)

Scott

If I could own only 2 cd's, 1 Band and 1 non - Band. Now this can change day to day, but today I think they would be - The Band: Jubilation..... Tom Waits: Mule Variations. Just 2 albums forever, scary thought. Just put a chill in my spine. I would have to form an army and declare war against the government that adopted this law....


Posted on Thu Jan 27 19:56:04 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Carmen,

Band Recording: Well, since I have every "official" release of the original 5 (not counting compilations like Across the Great Divide), I'll opt for a boot of the SNL performance and soundcheck. I'd also love a copy of either the Woody Gutherie Tribute or the Dublin show from 1966.

Non-band...hmmm, that's tough, there are so many...I'll cheat and ask Santa for a box set: "Miles Davis: The Complete Prestige Recording" which is the only major hole I have in my John Coltrane catalog.

Matt


Posted on Thu Jan 27 17:47:52 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Deb, responding to a few things:

1) Koko Taylor - Koko is amazing. Even after reaching 60, it still has amazing power. Her version of Willie Dixon's "Evil" is arguably better than the JL Hooker classic, with her deep gutteral growl and an outstanding guitar/bass riff that drives the song in a way Hooker's doesn't. Not to say Hooker's version isn't outstanding and blues classic, but I think Koko's version has a certain urgency and menace that I really like. Go see her. Great band. Great performer. You won't regret it.

2) Blues Brothers - OK, so not counting the rather John Goodman/Ackroyd version of recent years, I think there's some good stuff in the two albums Belushi and Ackroyd did (the first film, while very silly, would probably be on many musicians favorite lists, not because of the acting or story, but because it's the only film that contains plenty of musician humor ("we play both kinds, country AND wester" kills me every time). The film is cool, too, because of the excellent performances by many R/B and Blues greats.

As far as the Blues Brothers as a musical act, first, they are more of a soul/motown band than a "blues band." John and Dan are not great musicians, but they sure did use great musicians for their bands.

Matt Guitar Murphy is one of the greatest blues sidemen ever, Lou Marini may be the most underrated sax man of recent decades, and of course, Steve Cropper defined Soul-era guitar with classic recordings by Otis Redding, Sam and Dave, Booker T & The MG's, Wilson Pickett (he was the original session man for songs like "Soul Man," "Dock of the Bay," "Midnight Hour." On an alternate tour, John and Dan used Tom Scott's LA Express (Joni's backing band for her "Miles of Aisles" live album).

3) Clapton's strap. First, it did not "break." What happens is a common thing. If you look, he has the strap turned around and upside down on the body of his guitar. Once he starts moving it as he plays, it slips the hole and drops. Any working bar band musician will tell you it happens a lot (some times on saxes as well when the hook is sort of twisted up - word of warning TSAX, this is a good way to totally ruin your horn if it should fall to the ground).

Robbie is just that good. And actually, it's not that big a deal. That's why it's called a band, you listen, you watch, you react. Any musician worth his salt knows when to step in when a bandmate has equipment failure. I also agree that to suggest it was "planned" is madness. For what purpose?

Also, yes the shots were scripted somewhat for certain songs, but if you read any interviews with Scorcese or Bill Graham's book, you'll see that the event was planned in a hurry and was more about scripting certain "visuals" rather than "events." Certainly Scorcese, as a camera man for the film "Woodstock" understood that you can't script performances, and that the real power in any performance film is the spontaneous.

matt


Posted on Thu Jan 27 19:06:53 CET 2000 from gw33.telekomus.com (206.2.196.66)

Band Thought

From: The Current Land of Snow

Most underrated (underexposed) Band songs:

Whispering Pines, All La Glory, To Kingdom Come, Ring Your Bell, In A Station, Strawberry Wine...too many to mention.

Most underrated Band album:

Far and away...Stage Fright


Posted on Thu Jan 27 18:51:39 CET 2000 from gw33.telekomus.com (206.2.196.66)

Band Thought

From: New York

"Moon Struck One" = Murphy's Law (even the car broke down).


Posted on Thu Jan 27 18:16:58 CET 2000 from ti32a95-0283.dialup.online.no (130.67.167.27)

Espen Hansen

From: Norway

Very good site. I wonder wich song the temptations had biggest sucsess with? And if I could get a list of all of them (temptations song) Thanks


Posted on Thu Jan 27 18:01:33 CET 2000 from 56k-la-01-28.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.91)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Lee Vining, Ca.

I've always thought "The Moon Struck One" was the first song to address gang violence. What do you GB'rs think it's about?


Posted on Thu Jan 27 17:41:46 CET 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

Larry DeSpain

From: Ky

If i could own only 2 cd's.Band would be the Brown Album.NOn Band Dylan's Highway 61.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 17:33:32 CET 2000 from fw-rockland.mint.net (216.227.150.5)

Tom Jamrog

From: LIncolnville, ME
Home page

I have been reinspired by Rick's death to get back. I've bought up some CD's to replace my old scratched vinyl. Now I want to play the stuff. Where can I go on the web to find the Band's lyrics, chord structure/ and or music?


Posted on Thu Jan 27 17:04:45 CET 2000 from mars.oucs.ox.ac.uk (163.1.103.104)

Colin MacKinnon

From: Oxford

By the way, I doubt, whether Hank's elaborate hypothesis is likely, given it rests on EC putting his guitar strap on the wrong way. Given everyone at the time was so screwed up on coke, its a blessing he turned up with a guitar strap at all. Remember that Robbie is a great improvisor. He'd have to be, playing behind Bob Dylan for months. Also, its not a very cultured solo- just the sort of thing Robbie would pull out of the bag in a crisis. Finally, EC wouldn't want millions of people to think he was a plonker (trans. dork). Ladies and gentlemen of the jury: Not guilty to conspiracy.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 16:55:25 CET 2000 from jupiter.oucs.ox.ac.uk (163.1.103.106)

Colin MacKinnon

From: Oxford, UK

Oh, 'Moon Struck One' is awful. A waste of Richard's great voice. Duff lyrics, and the music plods. The worst thing about 'Cahoots' in general is the slowness of it all. You could pick 6 or 7 worst Band songs from there. Lets plump for 'Last of the Blacksmiths'. Again, horribly slow, then lyrics are dreadfully strained and nobody seems to be playing with any conviction.I'd nominate 'The River Hymn' except for the wonderful, stoic piano playing by Garth at the start.As for the most underrated, no-one ever seems to mention 'The Rumour' (sorry British spelling!). This takes me back to the great ensemble singing of 'Big Pink' (cf 'We Can Talk' and 'Chest Fever'. The playing is beautiful and though the lyric speaks of fear and paranoia, the music transcends this- again we are returned to a spirit of harmony and togetherness. Dear me, I'm beginning to sound like a g.d. hippie so I'll sign off.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 15:56:16 CET 2000 from edslink8.eds.com (199.228.142.8)

carmen

From: pa

Here is another question:

If you could only own 2 cd's; 1 BAND( any version or solo), and one Non-BAND, what would they be?


Posted on Thu Jan 27 15:16:14 CET 2000 from 209-239-203-30.oak.jps.net (209.239.203.30)

Molly

New News: The Band chat room's back!!! Since it's back, let's keep peace in there or else no more chat room. Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 14:59:50 CET 2000 from bay-set8-ip-122.se-tel.com (63.70.189.122)

Misty (MID)

From: KENTUCKY, USA

Deb; The Last Waltz was TOTALLY scripted.. Bob Dylan feared that TLW might clash with his own movie at the same time called Renaldo and Clara. So he only agreed to being filmed singing two songs; Forever Young and Baby Let Me Follow You Down. But while they were filming it, the crowd was so loud that Scorcese couldn't give instructions to the cameramen...Dylan cued them in on when they could shoot. There were so many performances that were cut out of TLW; I wonder if there would ever be an uncut version. Take Georgia, It was totally cut out. On the Eric Clapton solo, his guitar strap broke and Robbie had to take over from there. That is why it looks so strange, because Robbie is so frantic. Thank you to all who have sent me tid-bits on email.. it is very lovely to talk with others who feel as much passion for the band as I. Misty


Posted on Thu Jan 27 14:04:36 CET 2000 from spider-wa041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.36)

Ben Turkel

One album I would love to see released on cd is an old self-titled album by Eric Andersen. I believe it came out on Warner Bros. in 1970/71, and was one or two albums before 'Blue river'. I always really enjoyed this album, I believe the original version of one of the songs on 'Ridin on the Blinds' appeared here first. Apparently there's a new Eric Andersen cd coming out soon that features Lou Reed, but I would love to see this obscure album released on cd.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 10:35:34 CET 2000 from du212-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.212)

Spirit of Ilkka's dog

Home page

The most underrated Band song is:
"Spaniel And The Sacred Harp" from The Doghouse Tapes.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 09:34:08 CET 2000 from du-tele3-027.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.27)

Peter Viney

ARCHAEOLOGY: From the Dec 1976 interview with Robbie & Rick (see “What’s New”):

Robbie has been asked about session work in the past. He replies: “I did some here and there, but I wasn't really a session musician. Just when I happened to be somewhere at the same time as something was happening. I did some things with Leiber and Stoller, some R&B sessions.”

So, what were those Leiber & Stoller sessions? This kind of links up to something I was trying to trace. The Hawks were said to have done “some Red Bird sessions” which would have included the John Hammond single. Around the same time The Shangri-Las covered “You Cheated, You Lied” on Red Bird erroneously credited to Levon Helm (The original credits is a long story, which is elsewhere on the site). I’ve never been able to find out much about this era. They were around for a pretty long time twixt Ronnie and Dylan, and again between the end of the 1966 tour and the basement.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 06:44:28 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-21-117.termserv.net (208.20.67.117)

TSaxMan16

From: Sleepless in the front seat

Hey there people. Just sitting here listening to some music (not The Band though, sorry ;-)) and I thought I'd comment and clarify a few points from my mother's post this morning :)

"Have a little time to kill as my 16 year old shovels my car out of the 4 feet of snow that the snowplows dumped on it last night." It's wasn't 4, it was 6 ;-), and I only know this cause I stumbled into it (still not being fully awake) and it completely covered me, being six feet tall I guess I figured it out :).

"My dear son has 2 speeds..slow and slower..so I probably in fact have _alot_ of time to kill." You forgot barely moving and idle :)

"...along with Richard's beautiful "Sleeping" (which my son was doing when I fell in a snow bank earlier and yelled for him :-)" When I fell into the snow it was so soft I almost went back to sleep (it was just SOO cold! ;-))

"Anyhow...I suppose I should go see if my car is visible yet. Or my 16 year old. I may just find him sleeping in the front seat..." I tried to sleep in the front seat, once again, too cold and too small, I like to spread out :).

Anyways, on the subject of seeing if the car is visible, it was visible when I went out this morning... the question is however, with me having my permit and all... will it be visible, or even here, TOMMORROW morning ;-)

Anyways, wrapping this up, I think I'm supposed to tie this into The Band somehow, so here goes... since Mom won't be able to find her car, I'll leave my Discman and a few Band CD's on the table for her walk to work tommorrow ;-). Have a good night and a pleasant tommorrow guys.

TSM16


Posted on Thu Jan 27 06:44:11 CET 2000 from 209-239-199-100.oak.jps.net (209.239.199.100)

Phil

From: Ca

That would be "whistle LOUDLY"

I never whistle loadly and I do not condone it.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 06:15:51 CET 2000 from 209-239-193-247.oak.jps.net (209.239.193.247)

Phil

From: Ca

The most underated band song? It's gotta be "The Moon Struck One". Reason being, is that it is 'rated under' most all Band songs. Especialy on this site. Now don't get me wrong, it's not my favorite and it is a bit sappy and sentimental but Richard's vocal does sound like he is crying or at least fighting back tears. Very heartfelt. And the guitar riff is cool_ dum-da- dum_ dum-da dum_ ect. I also like the keyboard flute tone Garth gets. I always whistle along loadly doubling that line. Not their best, some think it's their worst, but if you like this song, would'nt that leave no turkeys in their catalog?


Posted on Thu Jan 27 05:49:47 CET 2000 from user-33qtaia.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.170.74)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Deb, by all acounts the entire movie of TLW was storyboarded by Scorsese before filming took place. Of course, some scenes were probably chosen in edit, and the Dylan stuff could have been done on the fly. Remember, no one was sure whether Dylan would allow himself to be filmed. Also, a quick glance at the camera people reveals the names of the finest cinematographers in the business. Supposedly there was much jockeying to get on the gig.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 05:43:17 CET 2000 from cr514777-a.yec1.on.wave.home.com (24.114.57.20)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

Reading the posts over the last day or so I feel like I just watched The Last Waltz. I love all the moments everybody wrote about. But you guys can’t be serious about thinking the Robbie/Clapton thing was a set up.

I love all the “underrated” songs too, although I’m not sure what makes a Band song “underrated”. Maybe if it never made it not on a live album. If so, Rockin’ Chair qualifies. I’d also like to add “Jawbone” and “Jemima Surrenders” two of my twelve favourite songs from the brown album


Posted on Thu Jan 27 05:42:39 CET 2000 from spider-to066.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.30)

Pacific46

From: SF

Hank from Cork City, I too first saw TLW when living in Dublin back in '79. Rick's singing "It Makes No Difference" hit so powerfully I realized at that moment it was time to go back home. Two summers ago a high school friend and I reunited and took a journey up to West Saugherties with Levon's book in hand. Walked the stone-lined streets of Big Pink, watched a magnificent thunderstorm move in over Overlook Mountain, and thought of how many wonderful times they must have had there. Very spiritual, grounded place, so lush and green in late August. LDO, you're right about those Basement Tape recordings. Like sweet mandolins, they never sounded better than on a bright summer's day.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 05:40:40 CET 2000 from trt-on55-83.netcom.ca (216.123.100.83)

John Donabie

I just checked Amazon.com and CDNow and both have all the wrong sound samples for the upcoming release of the soundtrack for Coal Miner's Daughter featuring Levon.

Thought it might may an interesting discussion of Albums we would FINALLY like to see get released on CD. The Coal Miner's Daughter Soundtrack is looooooong overdue. Twenty years to get it released. Any special pieces of vinyl you would like to see released on CD?

David Powell and I had this discussion over a year ago. I'd still like to see "The Real Thing" with Taj Mahal make it to CD.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 05:20:16 CET 2000 from spider-to066.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.30)

Pacific46

From: San Francisco

Deb, you asked if Koko Taylor was worth seeing in concert. If it's a dance club and you like Chicago blues, you'll have a blast! We used to bring her band out to MA every year for our big blues festival. Great woman, down home and dirty, guaranteed to get you movin'. I hope Maestro's still her lead guitar player. And thanks everyone for the good read each day. I'm learning to listen to old Band LPs/CDs more carefully now instead of just singing harmonies for the pure joy of it. Re what happened with the chatroom, it was inevitable and is why I stay away from them. Sorry it didn't work out for you. Jan, thanks so much for the website. It's starting to feel like home.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 04:49:23 CET 2000 from jaxtnt1-189.fdn.com (216.199.4.203)

JC Bradford

From: Tunbridge, VT

New Band unsung song.....Caves of Jericho Old Band unsung song....Jawbone.....had a dog...a three time looser as it were that was given the name. But best all time song is Rockin Chair, for the chords the lyrics, harmony, instrumentals....Hey is that a breath that Robbie takes in the guitar solo on Unfaithfull Servant? I notice it on my vinyl but not on tape or CD....or is it my imagination...It would seem to me that I would have noticed it before but I guess that when I wore the first two coppies bare on "record players" in the 70's with quarters stacked on the arm one tends loose some of the finer points. Thanks for the positive gossip and not the garbage that every one has been wading through lately.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 04:24:56 CET 2000 from austb208-31.splitrock.net (209.156.160.134)

Galen

From: Austin, Texas

Regarding Robbie's solo during Slowhand's number in TLW, I think it was accidental. Robbie had already had many turns in the spotlight and I don't think Clapton would have stood still for being upstaged. Rather it is an example of good musicians playing off each other, Robbie brought it around to a perfect spot for Eric to pick it back up. As for the group's underated songs, I would chose either "Whispering Pines" or "The Rumor". Neither of these is on the compilation collections I have or on "Rock of Ages".


Posted on Thu Jan 27 04:09:46 CET 2000 from ip203100.uvm.edu (132.198.203.100)

Bobby Sullivan

From: Vermont

Hey all--Just found my copies of Bring it On Home, Vol. I and II. Features about five songs by Rick, acoustic, recorded between 1988 and 1992. As much as I like Rick's singing, I think I enjoy his talking before he plays his songs, more. Anyone who ever saw Rick play acoustic knew his second wish was to be a standup comedian. I saw Rick play in November of 1999 in Lyndonville, Vermont. At one point, Rick stopped playing and said hello to the 400 people in attendance. He then said, "It's great to be back in Vermont." After a pause of about five seconds, he said, "That is where I am isn't it?" Of course, the audience erupted with laughter and I couldn't help but to feel great inside because although Rick didn't look his best physically, he was still all there upstairs, cracking jokes, dancing about, being the Rick he wanted to be. And I respect that about him. Back to Bring It On Home: Although Rick's version of The Weight lacks a finished feel (it's a jam with Happy and Artie Traum), it features Rick's verse "Crazy Chester." Rick acts out the part of Crazy Chester, altering his voice to sound like a someone who might actually be, Crazy Chester. One final anecdote. In the fall of 1994, I saw The Band at Stratton Mtn., Vt. Along with a group of friends from age 6-40, we made signs like "I love The Band," and "Crazy Chester Followed Me, and He caught me in the fog." Rick and Levon seemed moved by it. In fact, at one point Levon came to our part of the stage and blew us a kiss. Of course, Rick was dancing about and Garth was doing his thing, too. Also, Randy had the look of a madman while he played drums with Levon. That's what I like best about Randy. He looks like a nut. Reminds me of the look Neil Young has when he smiles. You wonder, what is he thinking? Later that night I met The whole Band and they signed a photo for me. I was awestruck. Anyone have stories about meeting Rick and Co. in the past few years? Well, I'll see you all later. Thank you, kindly. Bob.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 03:34:51 CET 2000 from pm3-013.efn.org (206.163.180.13)

deb

From: oregon

Hey mattk (and others who supplied blues music info); thanks! In my town blues is BIG! We have weekly blues jams for the musicians at a club called Good Times, only $2 gets you some of the very best music around, and some of the newer musicians get the chance to jam with the more seasoned players; kind of like a big rehearsal. If anyone is interested in the history of the jam, I can send them an article I wrote about it for a local paper. Also, is it okay to mention some "newer" blues artists; namely, The Blues Brothers? A bit of local history: When the movie "Animal House" was filmed here, John Belushi hung out at some of the local watering holes and met up with local blues harpist and singer Curtis Salgado, who took Belushi by the ear and played some old and scratchy 78s for him. Legend has it that it inspired Belushi to form The Blues Brothers. Curtis also showed him some of the dance steps he used on stage. Question: Koko Taylor plays in this area several times a year; would that be a concert worth going to? I have never been.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 03:25:37 CET 2000 from pm3-013.efn.org (206.163.180.13)

deb

From: eugene/springfield, oregon

Hey, funny you guys should mention that strap thing. I was watching T:W last night and it just occurred to me that either Robbie is VERY good, or it was set up. Also, in response to another comment: Yes, it is odd that some of the numbers would not focus the camera on the main person singing. Speaking from a videographer's viewpoint, it seems like some of the numbers are done by more experienced, shall we say, cinematographers, and some segments are done by people who don't know the music well. It has always been my philosophy that it is important to have a director and/or camera people (hey, I'm PC) be well-versed in the music and the changes. If you'll notice, the studio numbers like "The Weight" are well-choreographed, while some of the live-to-tape numbers are pretty rough. On "Ophelia," the main camera is focused strangely on the back/side of Levon's head (not that I mind looking at Levon that much, he is lots of fun to watch) most of the time. I thought that was a strange choice, since there must have been other stuff going on at the time on the rest of the stage. Especially the wonderful horn section, which we only get to see briefly. There must have been other cameras filming, and I have to wonder if the footage might also have gotten "lost" in the editing room, on the cutting room floor. Comments, anyone?


Posted on Thu Jan 27 02:58:12 CET 2000 from sarc4a229.snip.net (209.204.69.229)

Chris D.

From: South Jersey

Hey Hank Wedell!! I mentioned before that it looked a little suspicious that Robbie whispers something to Slowhand before the song, the straps on wrong and it comes off just in time for a solo. I was pretty much laughed at. Someone wrote"yeah right! E.C. whispered "screw up your guitar part and then I can have George Harrisons wife for my self". I thought it was pretty funny at the time. Thinking about it though, why would a couple of the all time greats have to resort to that? Oh well, who knows. Take care.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 02:41:18 CET 2000 from dialup-278.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.22)

Hank Wedel

From: The Twilight Zone!!!
Home page

Greetings to Y'all!!!!! and a big hello to all those who contacted me or wrote about "Twilight"...........Great moments in TLW, eh?.......I'm really surprised no-ones mentioned the "Stuffin' baloney........." scene with Richard lookin' kinda paranoid that someone might still bust him for it!!.....But, hey folks,....howzabout this? One of the topics for discourse round these here parts amongst us Cork City Band heads is whether or not Clapton dropped his axe on purpose so's to MAKE Robbie pick it up.....I like to think he did!!! Check it out......"Play a guitar? Eric Clapton?........2,3, a 1, 2, 3, 4....." They let rip......If you look at Claptons guitar strap, it's on the wrong way......or, at least, it's on in such a way that.....oops!....one little tug and The Band, Robbie in particular, is on the spot.........Robbie picks it up flawlessly as we know........it was a cutting match...and Robbie kicks out the jams........I also like to think that Clapton, during the final solo, kinda ribs Robbies stlye before lettin' loose down the home stretch..........(Have you guys 'n' gals discussed this before? If y'all have lemme know...... I'll check the archives)......I first saw TLW at an old cinema in Mallow Co. Cork in 1979........the next time I saw it was at UCC (University College Cork) Cork City in 1981.......here's a fave LW moment for me.......The lecture hall cinema they showed it in was jammed........a big screen in a small hall......about 300 students.....when Bob Dylan reaches down and smiles to shake someones hand in the crowd during "Forever Young", all these college girls screamed like teenyboppers.......thrilling, to say the least.........Take care of yourselves......get plenty rest....All The Best.......HANK


Posted on Thu Jan 27 02:42:25 CET 2000 from sarc4a229.snip.net (209.204.69.229)

Chris D.

From: South Jersey

I have a few "underrated" songs in mind but the song "Hobo Jungle"from NLSC always did something to me. Richard sings it with so much feeling, it's like he knows what it's like to sleep in the train yard on the cold, cold ground. Great Song!! Underrated? Most definitely.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 02:19:29 CET 2000 from spider-wg083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.58)

Ben Turkel

From: New Jersey
Home page

One of my favorite moments from the last waltz, that I don't think has been mentioned yet, is Van kicking his way across the stage at the end of 'Caravan'. Regarding underated Band songs, I don't think there are many songs from their albums that haven't been mentioned yet, so I'll pick a few from their concerts. I really enjoy 'One more shot' and 'When I get my rewards'. 'One more shot' is sung by Levon on 'the legend of Jessie James' and is sung by Jonas Fjeld on the first D/F/A album with Rick singing harmony. I think this is a great song. I wish a live version of this would have have been included on the 'Best of vol. 2'. 'When I get my rewards' was performed by Levon and the Nitty gritty dirt band on the 'Will the circle be unbroken vol.2' and is included in the Levon compilation that came out last year on Raven records. This is also a wonderfull song and really displays Levon's country influence.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 02:04:34 CET 2000 from (12.6.146.237)

Jay Wardlaw

From: Atlanta, GA

FYI, according to Ice Magazine, the Coal Miner's Daughter soundtrack is scheduled to be re-released on CD in the USA on February 8, 2000. It is available for pre-order now at CDNow. For those wondering about The Band content, the soundtrack includes Levon's rendition of "Blue Moon of Kentucky", and that recording session supposedly gave rise the AMERICAN SON album.

No evidence of any bonus tracks (would love to have "Working in a Coalmine"). Oh well.


Posted on Thu Jan 27 01:43:59 CET 2000 from 209-122-224-127.s381.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com (209.122.224.127)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

Favorite underrated Band song: Rockin' Chair. Even among so many great songs, no contest for me. I love the harmonies and Richard's vocal on this song -- so moving. As has been said before, this is one of those songs that only they could do. I finally picked up the "Classic Albums" video -- worth far more than the price of admission to hear Levon and John Simon discussing the mixing, and just to watch Levon's face as he listens to Richard singing.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 23:51:44 CET 2000 from polaris-fw1.nspco.com (206.10.243.20)

Dave Z

From: Chaska, MN

I think the most underrated Band song is... because it is a cover... Don't Do It.

I also wonder how it would have sounded if each member took a verse?


Posted on Wed Jan 26 23:38:07 CET 2000 from vdp080.ath01.cas.hol.gr (195.97.0.81)

a fan in Greece

From: Athens

Dan: "Old Levon" and "grumpy"?? justify your comments, friend. Last time I saw Levon he smiled at me in his charming gentlemanly manner and kissed my hand. Lifted my spirits as he said "now you come visit us in Woodstock sometime, you hear?". I love his eyes and looks of intensity and his powerful voice (from the 70's), and I also equally love his mature voice now and on High on the Hog. He's growing older, sure, and I for one am glad to hear evidence of it. As for Richard, I get twinges of pain in my heart every time I watch TLW, call it my "worst" TLW moments: There are two parts where he is singing the main verse and the camera is somewhere else. Now why did they do that? That must have hurt his feelings when he saw the final movie edit, as the camera was focused on every one else who sang.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 23:34:50 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

My personal Blues Artist primer:

  • Muddy Waters (the Chess box set is an excellent retrospective). Muddy is where you start with anything. Muddy also gets you into Sonny Boy Williamson, Jimmy Rogers and the pantheon of blues harmonica players: Jr. Wells, Sonny Boy Williamson, Little Walter, even James Cotton. He also is a great gateway to:
  • Willie Dixon - if you don't know for sure who wrote a blues song, if you say "Willie Dixon," you've got about a 50% chance of being right. Again, there is an excellent two CD Chess release that is wonderful
  • Robert Johnson - the daddy of modern blues guitar
  • Charley Patton - most folks believe he was RJ's biggest influence. Certainly his effect on the blues is immeasurable.
  • T-Bone Walker - Father of "west coast" blues who gave us standards like Stormy Monday, The Hustle is On and T-Bone Shuffle. Huge influence on today's blues guitar as he really explored extended harmonic structures in the Blues that really pushes into the jazz realm at times.
  • Johnny Guitar Watson - Watson was a huge influence on the likes of Frank Zappa and many many other rock-era guitarists. Watson started out firmly in the T-Bone Walker style and over time touched on seemingly every blues style. Watson is also a major figure in marrying blues to funk in the 1970s.
  • Buddy Guy - Along with BB King, arguably the most respected "old school" Chicago Blues guitarist. Again, Chess has a wonderful two CD set.
  • Howlin Wolf - next generation Delta-style guitarists. Really advanced traditional acoustic blues to a whole new level.
  • JL Hooker - king of the grind it out, Texas Boogie. Obviously a huge influence on everyone from Ronnie Hawkins to George Thoroughgood (sp?)
  • Clarence Gatemouth Brown - last of his generation of great Texas/Oklahoma guitarists and the last living link to T-Bone Walker and even Jazz pioneer Charlie Christian. Mixes Jazz, Blues and Country in a very unique way. Arguably has the best working band in blues today.
  • Freddie King - HUGE influence on Clapton. Great at every style he touched, from Chicago to Funk to Soul.
  • Jimmy Reed - "country" blues at it's finest. Composer of such great tunes as Big Boss Man and Tell Me What You Want Me to Do.
  • last, but no WAY least, BB King. BB's celebrity may have obscured just how infuential he is. After Muddy, arguably the greatest single influence in all of blues.
Obviously, there are so many I left off. This list could be huge, and it doesn't even begin to address some of today's great younger players. Additional "must haves" in your collection include Luther Allison, Johnny Copeland, Albert King, James Cotton, Koko Taylor, Big Mama Thornton, Magic Sam, Otis Spann, Pinetop Perkins, Skip James ("I'd Rather Be the Devil : Skip James and the Blues" by Stephen Calt is a MUST read), Elmore James (Robert Johnson's protoge, and father of electric slide guitar), Otis Rush, Earl King, Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson...too many to list

There are also a number of younger players today doing some amazing work. Corey Harris' "Greens From the Garden" may be the most spectacular and innovative blues album of the last 20 years and ties with Macy Gray for best album of 1999 in my book. A number of Boston/New England based folks are worth noting: Ronnie Earl, Duke Robillard, Greg Picolo-era Roomful of Blues (featuring Ronnie Earl or Duke Robillard, usually). I'm also having a lot of fun with Paul DeLay, an amazing chromatic harp player who is covering every base these days, but check out his "Take it From the Turnaround" album...great band and very innovative approach to blues songs.

gosh, there are just too many to list, but if you want a quick start, pick up a copy of the boxset "the Chess Box," which features just about every great Chicago blues great ever. Chess was were the blues men plugged in and really started the ball rolling towards our popular conception of the Blues. The set includes stuff from Muddy Waters, Koko Taylor, Buddy Guy, Willie Dixon, Jr. Wells, and on and on and on. A great pick up for someone looking to jump start their blues collection.

Matt


Posted on Wed Jan 26 23:23:38 CET 2000 from mp-219-39.daxnet.no (193.216.219.39)

Helge D

From: norway

Anyone who cares about "sweet romance"? Rick at his best.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 23:17:58 CET 2000 from ip-463.global2000.net (209.203.145.163)

Steve

From: Clifton Park, NY

Everybody's talking 'bout underrated Band songs...what I'll never understand is the Greatest Hits Volume II on Rhino...no "Caves of Jericho" , no "Book Faded Brown", no "High Cotton"...no "Don't Wait"... lots of HOTH, just can't understand..also I'd like to know why "The Band" (Brown Album) hasn't been reissued on CD with more than a single page insert...surprising for such a classic. Any comments?


Posted on Wed Jan 26 22:18:59 CET 2000 from bay-set7-ip-41.se-tel.com (63.70.188.41)

Misty

From: ky

I just wanted to add that I also think that the best Danko track is on "Live On Breeze Hill". The studio bonus on his last live album called "Sip The Wine". Absolutely enchanting, and of course I state this totally unbiased. Here is a snip-it of that track: I WANT TO LAY DOWN BESIDE YOU-I WANT TO HOLD YOUR BODY CLOSE TO MINE-LIKE A GRAPE THAT GROWS RIPE IN THE SUNSHINE-THERE COMES A TIME WHEN WE MUST SIP THE WINE-**CLOSE YOUR EYES AND DON'T YOU THINK OF NOTHIN'-LET YOUR THOUGHTS REMAIN HERE IN THIS ROOM-LAY YOUR HEAD BESIDE ME ON MY PILLOW-AND I WILL SHARE THIS NIGHT WITH YOU.....Wonderful love song...ps love ya dan.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 21:22:51 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int01.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.67)

Bones

From: CT

On the subject of great Danko moments, he sings an incredible blues tune at the end of his Bass video. Can someone tell me some background of that song? Song title, original singer, etc.. That is a wonderful Danko performance.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 21:01:32 CET 2000 from (194.129.43.14)

Dan

From: london england

Great website. I love the bit in Helpless where Neil Young sings that bit which goes "the big bird flying acrosss the sky yellow moon on the rise" and robbie's guitar goes up with the singing. Anyone else agree with me that old Levon is kinda grumpy these days


Posted on Wed Jan 26 20:39:02 CET 2000 from aappp70.ntrnet.net (208.241.156.70)

Russell Smithf

From: Raleigh, NC

It was very useful to get the lyrics to the songs. My girlfriend who is hard of hearing received a CD of "The Band" as a gift. She can "hear" the music, but not the lyrics well enough for comprehension as the CD had no liner notes and she obviously cannot lip read the performers. Thank You


Posted on Wed Jan 26 20:28:14 CET 2000 from spider-ta086.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.13)

Liz

From: The Great white North

Kerrilyn, I saw that you listen to George Thorogood, many of his "hits" are actually John Lee Hooker songs. Thats a good one to listen to almost everything he has written and recorded is readily available on CD's. His recordings are full of Blues history as well.....check em' out ! I have been busy here with a true case of "Cabin Fever" ( have that digusting flu thats goin around, maybe I caught it in the chat room ....JUST KIDDING :) with 4 feet of snow out there...and its still comin down ! Hank,( I agree but) there are many versions of Rick doin "Twilight", that are wonderfully "soulfull"( no Reggae sound), 2 of my Faves: from "Live on Breeze Hill" and "Ridin on The Blinds" Danko, Fjeld, Anderson.....so many other Faves.....but I encourage any one that doesnt have it yet, Listen to "Live on Breeze Hill", great versions of Stage, Crazy Mama, Twilight, Ophelia, Shape Im in, Chest Fever, Caledonia Mission, Difference...etc...( sorry to go on...the whole CD) play on, keep listening.......


Posted on Wed Jan 26 20:06:33 CET 2000 from bay-set7-ip-41.se-tel.com (63.70.188.41)

Misty (MID)

From: Kentucky, USA

TOO SOON GONE> underrated. A beautiful tribute sung in Rick's most sincere voice that echoes in my heart. "So how do I answer these blues you say I've got? Too soon gone, too soon gone" OUT OF THE BLUE>my favorite of Robbie's. I heard him singing this one on the last waltz suite, and wondered why he hardly took vocal lead on more songs than he did. Lovely. The lyrics he sings haunts you. My favorite recollection of THE LAST WALTZ: was the band singing THE WEIGHT, with the Staples. It is my favorite verion of the song, sung with so much passion by Mavis in the chorus, that I lose myself everytime and sing along with her. And does anyone else share my love with the song Book Faded Brown, Oh what wonderfully exquisite pictures it paints in my mind. I absolutely love this song. I can see Mary on the step wavin'. ahhh I recently read a book about the band which quoted someone as calling the band "a cul-de-sac of music." and i agree. There never has been and never will anyone like them. Their words speak to our hearts, and fill our minds with something inexplicably delicious. We have been blessed! misty


Posted on Wed Jan 26 19:26:35 CET 2000 from dialup-258.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.2)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Greetings Folks!!! To all you folks under snow on the East coast of Amerikay....Stay Warm and don't panic.......it'll pass..... I'm with Carmen on the under-rated Band song debate: "Christmas must be tonight" might rate as one of the most under-rated CHRISTMAS song of all-time.....a song actually about the birth of Jesus Christ.......alright, here's one for y'all........I LOVE "Twilight".......I SING "Twilight" at every solo or duo gig that I play everywhere...BUT......and I'm almost hesitant to write this .....I don't really like The Bands version of it.......sounds like fake reggae to me....sorry.......I ADORE the version Rick sings at some Radio show that put out a buncha records with loadsa folks doing stuff......Sun Mountain, I think.......anyone agree?.....have you discussed this before?.........talk to y'all later........HANK


Posted on Wed Jan 26 19:12:49 CET 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

Scott

Underrated Band songs. Xmas Must Be Tonight, Knockin Lost John, The Caves Of Jericho, Sleeping, If I Should Fail, Don't Wait, The High Price Of Love, Free Your Mind, Where Do We Go From Here, Ain't No More Cane, Bessie Smith, Yazoo Street Scandel. I could go on and on..... How about under appreciated solo albums. Most people I know never heard 99% of these....I guess I could name just about every solo effort, the ones that I believe stand out are - Levon Helm : American Son (1982), LH & The Rco Allstars (1977), LH & The Crowmatix (!997).... Rick Danko : Rick Danko (1977), Live From Breeze Hill (1999), Danko Fjeld & Anderson (1991), DFA : Ridin On The Blinds (1994).... Jim Weider & The Honky Tonk Gurus :Big Foot (1997)....Robbie Robertson : Contact From The Underworld Of Redboy (1998). I find each of these albums essential and expose my friends to them every chance I get.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 18:50:12 CET 2000 from cobalt.nextlink.net (206.129.70.172)

Mike

From: Whistle while you work...

For you Blues enthusiasts, check out www.arhoolie.com. It’s got a great Blues catalog…Fred McDowell, Furry, Lewis, John Hurt, etc.

Lil…All I can say is…Stay warm! (“Pretty soon now, all this ice will melt…”)

On Rick’s best or most favorite…Sure is hard to pick. He had such a way with song. A great ear for harmony. IMND will surely always be his signature song. I will always love “Blue River” off DFA, though. I have smiled many times while walking with Annie (my Huskie), thinking of the line…“What’s he’s thinkin’ ‘bout, well I don’t know, but for him, I’ll bet the time just, goes so slow…he’s just a dog you know.”

Favorite parts of TLW? Eric smiling at Robbie's solo…Rick watching Joni’s chording at the beginning of “Coyote,” Rick singing backup on “Who Do You Love?” Rick wondering where Dylan is going, and then taking off on Follow You Down. Lots of good scenes.

Stay warm everyone.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 18:41:27 CET 2000 from spider-wc072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.52)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Deb-2 outstanding undederated song choices,Right as Rain and Out Of The Blue, 2 different albums though-Islands and LW, respectively. Also a good point from D Lil that Jubilation in general is underated. Whoever asked what Richard's last song was- that is an interesting ? I would love to see answered. Here is interesting trivia: Brent Mydland The Grateful Dead keyboard player extrordinaire passed away in (I think )'88 maybe 87. The last song he sang in concert with the Dead a few days earlier was The Weight.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 18:41:10 CET 2000 from dialin-212.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.46)

Gene

"Lonesome Suzie" and "Whispering Pines" get my nod for a couple of under-rated Band songs.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 18:16:31 CET 2000 from 118.ppp1-4.odn.worldonline.dk (212.54.68.118)

Peter Rasmussen

From: Denmark

I have recently read some of the many entries in the guestbook and I recall that someone was looking for "Moondog Matinee" on CD - You can obtain this CD from Japan -please check out www.mediawars.or.jp/~mundo/cdjapan/how.html. Good luck. - In fondest memory of Rick - thanks for all.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 18:04:58 CET 2000 from 1cust220.tnt1.topeka.ks.da.uu.net (63.13.63.220)

Dexy

George and The Band. In the Official Band Video Bio, George talks about how he envied JRR for having three voice to write to. In The Beatles, he says, each songwriter (virtually) always sang their own songs. I've always thought The Wilburys was a reaction to that -- he created a band with Dylan himself, Petty, Orbison and Lynne. Clearly, George was the instigator, but all songs are credited to the group, and there's an awful lot of trading-vocals, al a you know who.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 17:39:04 CET 2000 from spider-tk044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.194)

Long Distance Operator

From: Lowell MA

Ragtime and others: You are so right! I went home for lunch just so I could crank up "Long Distance Operator". In my head, since the first time I heard it, I quickly thought it was Ricky and left it at that. I focused on the lyrics and the tortured delivery. Anyway, I just gave it a hard listen, and it's easy to see that it was Richard the whole time. Oh well. What's so cool about Basement Tapes is that there are so many tunes where it's hard to tell who's singing right away. My buddy insisted that "Yazoo Street Scandal" was Bob Dylan doing a spirited vocal. I had to pull out Greil Marcus' liner notes to show him that it's actually Levon. There was so much mixing and matching on the BT's, it truly is a treasure. In my humble opinion, the BT's represent both the peak of The Band's and Bob's careers. And mighty peaks they are. Now, with it's companion "Live '66", we have two epic documents to the most exciting period in rock history. You can actually feel the shift. Mindblowing.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 17:20:16 CET 2000 from proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.53)

Larry DeSpain

From: KY

underrated Band songs.Ain't No More CAne and We Can Talk i never hear much about them they are some of my favorites


Posted on Wed Jan 26 17:13:02 CET 2000 from xcdfdc7be.ip.ggn.net (205.253.199.190)

Gypsewoman

Holy Cow! That again. (just kidding) Holy Cow is definitely Rick, no question about it.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 17:10:12 CET 2000 from pm2-55.delrio.com (204.216.51.176)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

Underrated Band songs? "Right as Rain" is a great Richard vocal. Also for lighthearted fun "Time to Kill" comes to mind.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 17:04:11 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Long Distance Operator:

No reason to hang your head pal, and no reason to stop posting either. We all make mistakes, ya know (if you can keep a secret: I'm doing it all the time...).

But "Long Distance Operator" and "Ruben Remus"? Well, you should listen once more to Richard singing them. "Bessie Smith", yeah, there you're right: it's Rick and Robbie doing that wonderful tune.

Any thoughts on who sings Holy Cow? It's never too late to restart ancient discussions :---))

My third entry today... I'd better stop now...


Posted on Wed Jan 26 16:52:01 CET 2000 from pm3-069.efn.org (206.163.180.69)

deb

From: oregon

Underrated Band songs? Here are two I really like and I haven't seen them mentioned here: "Right as Rain," I believe Richard sings it and very soulfully. Also: "Out of the Blue," sung by Robbie, is a sweet ballad. If memory serves me, these are on the same album, and I haven't listened to it for years, so I can't recall the title. I'll have to mosey over to the record shelf. I used to play that album all the time when it came out. It is pretty good, overall.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 16:21:24 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

larrydespain

From: kentucky

long distance operator if that's not Richard i will never listen to neil diamond again


Posted on Wed Jan 26 16:19:34 CET 2000 from xcdfdc7be.ip.ggn.net (205.253.199.190)

Gypsewoman

Long Distance Operator - Sorry to burst your bubble and please don't hang your head in shame and definitely don't stop posting here, as you are a vital part of the guestbook, but....it is Richard singing lead on Long Distance operator.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 15:51:09 CET 2000 from ip87-max7-lowell.ziplink.net (206.15.160.247)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

Ragtime: Obviously there is a blend of voices on Rubin Remus and certainly on Bessie Smith. I can hear the Rickster clearly, and his performances send chills up my spine. Richard's imprint is all over Rubin Remus, especially since he actually got a writing credit for it. However, if that's not Rick out front on Long Distance Operator, I promise to hang my head in shame and never post here again. Anybody heard the tune? Opinions?


Posted on Wed Jan 26 14:40:07 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-48-240.termserv.net (208.20.67.207)

Diamond Lil

Have a little time to kill as my 16 year old shovels my car out of the 4 feet of snow that the snowplows dumped on it last night. My dear son has 2 speeds..slow and slower..so I probably in fact have _alot_ of time to kill.

And speaking of "Time to Kill"..another great underrated Band tune...along with Richard's beautiful "Sleeping" (which my son was doing when I fell in a snow bank earlier and yelled for him :-)

And while we're on the subject of underrated Band tunes...how bout the entire 'Jubilation' cd? "Book Faded Brown", "Don't Wait" (surprised you didn't mention that one Jan :-), "Bound by Love", "If I should Fail". Some really wonderful stuff on there.

Anyhow...I suppose I should go see if my car is visible yet. Or my 16 year old. I may just find him sleeping in the front seat...


Posted on Wed Jan 26 14:22:46 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

P.S. from Ragtime

Sorry, forgot...

Holy Cow - essential Rick vocal since it shows him as a Richard-impersonator :---))

Most underrated Band songs... yes there are! I fully agree with Lil's choice All La Glory, but you'll have to admit... it has been praised many times in this very guestbook. The Rumor? Not underrated at all - always acknowledged as one of their essentials. Knockin' Lost John always occupied a special place in our hearts since Robbie is the singer (well, heavily supported of course). But how about Get Up Jake, Hobo Jungle, Rags and Bones? All three have their very unique charm...

Re It Makes No Difference: sorry, not now... maybe later... (but if I'm invited to chocolate cake and coffee... mmm :-)

Back button worked perfectly this time, thank heavens... or thank Jan :-)

Bit long for a P.S, longer than my original post, sorry...


Posted on Wed Jan 26 14:01:46 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I'd like to thank Richard Patterson and Pehr for naming some blue artists for me to listen to. I'm gonna write them down so I don't forget any. Just their names alone are intriguing. It is interesting to find out who were the other artist that the Stones/Clapton covered. When you hear a song for the first time you tend to its "original" I listen to George Thorogood, and I know 95% of those songs are covers but its hard to find out sometimes who did them first. Thanks again. I'm also going to listen to Otis Spann today - you guys know him? Favorite LW moment: I'm not sure if it was in the LW (been too long since I've seen it - shame). Or if I saw Robbie in an interview, (it's also mentioned in Levon's book). Them talking about meeting Sonny Boy Williamson. They seemed so awe-struck, like fans themselves. It's the story of him playing and they thought he was spitting out tobacco but it was really blood. There's another passage in Levon's book about Sonny Boy that is important and I'm glad he included it. Favourite "under-rated" song: I don't know if it's under-rated but it's not talked about much here. I love Don't Do It.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 13:44:45 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

brien sz

From: NJ

Underrated Band songs --- I didn't know there was one!


Posted on Wed Jan 26 13:41:00 CET 2000 from levon.hiof.no (158.36.51.54)

jh

Most underrated Band songs? Well ... personally I love those songs where they trade vocals, especially "The Rumor", "Daniel and the Sacred Harp" and "Ain't No More Cane". And...do I dare to say this...I like "Where Do We Go from Here" a lot, too. Maybe it's got something to do with English not being my native language.

Which reminds me that it's time to do more translation of The Band's lyrics to Norwegian, for this "Norwegian artists sing The Band" tribute that I am trying to get together. And talking about tributes, a proper album with cover versions from all those big names that praise The Band, like Petty and Bruce and Costello etc., is long, long overdue.

And thanks for the many positive e-mails about the site, much appreciated in the middle of all this.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 12:51:14 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-48-240.termserv.net (208.20.67.207)

Diamond Lil

Carmen: Very good question about 'underrated' Band tunes. I think one of the most underrated is "All la Glory"...a poignant and beautiful vocal by levon with lyrics that give me a chill. Kind of like a lullabye I guess. Pure, heartfelt...one of my favorites.

Ragtime: Am curious here too. Why not "It Makes No Difference?" A beautiful tune to listen to, perhaps over chocolate cake and coffee :-)

Going to dig out my car now. Hope I can find it. Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 12:26:50 CET 2000 from 67.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.67)

carmen

From: PA

Favorite Last Waltz Moment: The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down. What powerful singing by Levon.

Great Rick Songs not yet mentioned: Christmas Must Be Tonight& New Mexico.

I would like to pose another question. What is the most underated BAND Song? You know the one that you love but never gets any credit as being one of the best. I myself really like "Knocken Lost John". What's yours!

Ragtime, I agree with your statement about "Once Upon a Time", BUT I need to know why not "It Makes No Difference".


Posted on Wed Jan 26 10:43:47 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Essential Danko vocals to me... oh, so many... but these come to mind at first:

This Wheel's On Fire - always takes my breath, ever since I heard it first in '68

Unfaithful Servant - perfect combination of longing and resignation

Stage Fright - no-one could make you feel panic like he did

The Saga of Pepote Rouge - shows his sense of bizarrery

Endless Highway - shows the pain of a "goddamn impossible way of life"

Once Upon a Time - the best song he ever wrote... and he sings with all his heart

Why not include It Makes No Difference? Well, maybe I'll tell you some day...

BTW Long Distance Operator and Ruben Remus are great great songs, no doubt about that, but LDO my friend, did you realize who sings them...

BTW2 Hey Jan, when going back for corrections after previewing I find, my screen... empty... sigh... had to do it all over again...


Posted on Wed Jan 26 10:16:54 CET 2000 from (130.242.52.107)

Of :GRAND FUNK ROADKILLER`s

From: SWEDEN
Home page

Grand Funk Railroad


Posted on Wed Jan 26 09:55:58 CET 2000 from ts1-3.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.3)

D.Smith

From: Vancouver,Canada

I'm saddened by the closing of the chatroom,had a nice chat with Cracker and Blindboy the other night.Prior to that had a few laughs with Haggis and DJgirl[hope ya had a good b'day DJ].Oh well as Robert Frost said "Nothing gold can Stay".Hope it's back up soon though i respect Jans choice to close it.My favorite LW moment happened during 'Cripple creek' when Levon starts the refrain with an impromptu "I wish that i could yodel"[listen close friends it happens fast].My favorite Rick Danko moment is from the "Classic Album" episode on the 'Brown Album'.Rick,outside on a sunny day "We weren't trying to save the world we just wanted to help out around the neibourhood" a statment that i suspect is a refletion of Rick's personal mantra.I hope things get a little more pleasant around here,this is a wonderful site and easily the most active 'Fan' site that i've come across.I've grown fond of it and those who meet here please lets take care of it and each other.Leave the trash talk were it belongs...in the WWF.Thanks for all you do Jan Peace all, Doug


Posted on Wed Jan 26 07:25:04 CET 2000 from 209-239-193-166.oak.jps.net (209.239.193.166)

Molly

Bayou Sam, that's well said. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you! I have one question: Was the song "She Knows" the last song Richard M. performed before his death? Just curious. Have a good evening/night everyone. Stay warm.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 06:43:00 CET 2000 from spider-wj082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.57)

John Francisco Cope Reinares

From: San Jose, CA

Fantastic! Awesome! The Best! The Band! Yeahhhhhh!


Posted on Wed Jan 26 05:58:28 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

From: NJ

Snow hit jersey hard today - So work closed early and my wife was off - we made ham omlettes, drank coffee, played scrabble and cranked The Last Waltz

Favorite part? That's tough - it depends on mood mostly BUT i must say It Makes No Difference always stops me in the middle of whatevers happening and makes me watch and listen - I just love that passion in Ricks voice, the ringing of Robbies leads and the sweeping sax interplay of Garth.

NANCY (i believe) the answer to your question is NO! You just happened to stumble into a bad moment. Please come again!


Posted on Wed Jan 26 05:35:36 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

People say things come and go in 3's. The picture BAR, the chatroom BAR, the guessbook BAR???????


Posted on Wed Jan 26 05:31:32 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

mike

From: FOSTER RHODE ISLAND

Good Evening (Gee sounds like Bill Grahams intro at the beginning of TLW.My favorite footage of the last waltz still has to be further on up the road with Robbie playing the second of two searing solos and the joy on erics face during it. which brings me to another point. I was reading someones comments about George harrison and why he never expressed interest in joining The Band.If anyone saw the 1994 induction ceremony for The Band into the rock hall of fame Eric Clapton stated that upon hearing Music From Big Pink he contacted The Band at Woodstock,informed Robbie that he was breaking up Cream because he thought The Band was the real thing and he wanted to be in a band and enjoy a similar experience.But he goes on to say that that he had intended to ask Robbie if HE could join The Band.but lost his nerve and did not know how to approach it.There is further discussion of this in the documentary :Robbie Robertson Going home: which is avaiable on vhs through amazon.com. This video is a must have for Band fans. It also features lots of footage from Robbies solo career as well as band footage and lots of interviews with Robbie as well as the rock hall of fame induction which features robbie back on stage with Rick Danko and Garth Hudson. (Levon didn't show up) performing The Weight in which Eric Clapton joins in and becomes a member of The Band.Robbie also speaks about The Band breakup and to anyone who followed The Band in the mid 70s as I did you have to believe the man is speaking from his heart.It seemed to me during those final shows leading to TLW that Robbie had indeed become a caretaker for The Band during those last few months and probably before that.I remember many a show where Robbie and Garth seemed to be the only ones that were sober or straight.It was sad to see knowing what talented musicians they all are or were and knowing how close they were in the past.My feeling was that they had a hard time dealing with success .Rick and Levon reiterated this point in Levons book.The songwriting credit dispute seems to get a lot of the blame and to some extent is probably true.But to anyone who has followed the solo career of robbie vs the ongoing career of The Band it becomes painfully obvious that Robbie did indeed write the songs though some credit should go to Richard Manual who wrote some beautiful stuff early in the bands career as also did Rick Danko but for some reason this dwindled.The important thing is and will always be is that this was a band in the truest sense They gave life and meaning s to those songs. they made them believable and honest and possible for he listener to become part of them and through this process get to know the band themselves. Isn't this what music is supposed to do? Just listen to Garths comments in the prelude to Ophelia in TLW about music making you feel good. this is my second favorite sequece in the TLW. Also one last thought Robbies documentary also features a lot of footage with The Hawk (Ronnie Hawkins) who doesn"t make any disparaging feminist remarks that i could hear..


Posted on Wed Jan 26 05:31:13 CET 2000 from d299.as0.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.217.47)

MJD

From: Stevens Point, Wisconsin

"CSNY REUNION A TRIUMPH"

by Paul Cantlin Jam Showbiz

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Posted on Wed Jan 26 05:07:52 CET 2000 from spider-wi021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.26)

Pacific46

From: SF

Hi everyone. I'm exhausted after a long day's work and mowing the jungle lawn after all this rain, but I do want to comment on the African American questions raised. I've been on the music scene for years and have raised many of the same questions of African American friends about music differences through the '50s and '60s mostly. What I've heard over and over may not speak for everyone, but it does those whose opinions I highly value: Hendrix was respected. There are many great blues artists. But throughout the '60s especially there was a growing resentment about white bands covering songs recently released by African American artists. The '60s were about power and pride. James Brown's "Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud" to a funky beat was more happenin' than blues associations to the south and the past, I've been told. Makes sense. Most people of color I've talked to thought Chuck Berry sold out and he himself grins in documentaries saying basically he knew where there market was (i.e. "Sweet Little Sixteen"). What matters most, I think, is that members of The Band have shared a mutual respect with musicians like Muddy Waters and Allen Toussaint, much the same as Dr. John has. I'll never forget the night in NYC "Rock of Ages" was recorded. Catching Rick's last solo show out here in SF was such a precious memory as well. He had music wobbling out of every muscle and joint in his body! And man, could his voice cut right to the core of your heart. sigh One last comment to the person who mentioned Emmylou Harris: her box set is worth every penny, especially the Gram Parsons/Emmylou duets. She and Linda Ronstadt put on a great show a few months back. Their new CD seems to make women weep; my male friends have been less moved for some reason. And to our friend from Cork City, hey, get Niall Stokes of the Hot Press write a tribute to Rick. I worked there years ago when "Easy From Now On" (Emmylou) would come flowing out of his editing office. Love to all and stay warm!


Posted on Wed Jan 26 04:58:50 CET 2000 from spider-wo064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.49)

bayou sam

From: New York

what a damn shame that the chat room is locked up. I look forward every day to hitting the Band website. The first thing I check is "what's new" and then I go to the chat room to see what us fan's are talking about. I saw some people impersonating other people and the only goal seemed to be to aggrivate the people they were imitating. I could'nt help wondering why this was amusing to them, and why they had the time in thier lives to do this. If this is what you enjoy then there probably is a website for you somewhere. What you've done is ruined it for those of us who enjoy "talking" to other Band fans about anything to do with The Band. You people must be fans or you never would have come here in the first place. So why not cool it and if you don't like something then say your peace and go listen to Stage Fright of somrthing and come back to the chat room later - but PLEASE don't make them shut it down again. OK? Thanks.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 04:49:36 CET 2000 from spider-tl041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.191)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

The quintessential Danko vocals will always be "It Makes No Difference" and "Stage Fright". They will be his legacy to the masses, thanks to The Last Waltz. I'm surprised at how little play Rick's tunes from The Basement Tapes get, though. Three of my all-time favorite Rick tunes are from the BT's: "Long Distance Operator", of course; the hilarious "Ruben Remus", which kills me; and finally, the lilting and wonderful "Bessie Smith". If you don't own the BT's, do yourself a huge favor and pick it up. You will soon find it indispensable.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 04:37:27 CET 2000 from ppp604.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.28)

Richard Patterson

Kerrilyn: I've been reading the Robert Palmer book "Deep Blues" recently (not the Robert Palmer with the suit), and it has given me a few jumping off points on where to start to get into blues music. I've always been a big fan of Muddy Waters (try 'Best of', 'Original Folk Blues', or 'Muddy Mississippi Waters Live'-for something more recent) but I was surprised that his recorded output started before he moved to Chicago, from the Mississippi Delta region, and I've been doing a little checking into his influences. Charlie Patton is a name that keeps popping up in the book as being just about everyones influence in the early days and I just got 'Founder of the Delta Blues' today in the mail. His recorded output spans 1929-34. Certainly Robert Johnson was very influencial and if you're a Stones fan you will already be familiar with a few of his compositions ("Love in Vain", "Stop Breakin' Down"), or Clapton ("Ramblin' on My Mind", "Crossroads", "Malted Milk", "Walkin' Blues", etc.) Conveniently you can get his entire recorded output on a 2 CD set. Another Delta bluesman to note is Bukka White. I just got a single CD called 'The Complete Bukka White'. He also seems to be a favourite of the English bluesmen ("Shake em on Down"-Led Zeppelin, "Parchman Farm"-John Mayall). You may already be familiar with Howlin' Wolf, he had a cameo as a guest of the Stones on their 'Shindig' appearence and recorded with them on 'the London Session', but the early essentials are 'Howlin' Wolf' and 'Moanin' in the Moonlight'.

So there's a few things to start with, a good place because these are the first blues recordings ever. WARNING these recordings are OLD and some of them sound it, but if you let the spirit of this music wash over you, I think you'll eventually find the sould quality unimportant. Oh yeah, and very little of this stuff is PC. Good luck.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 04:28:00 CET 2000 from proxy-615.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.175)

Scott

Sorry, don't mean to over populate the guestbook with my entries, but since I am on the "Rick vocal topic", "Don't Wait" from "Jubilation" has the most subtle and beautiful harmony from Rick. The way he accents Leven's vocal and then wraps around the lead echoing and trailng off just sticks in my heart.....


Posted on Wed Jan 26 03:52:23 CET 2000 from proxy-615.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.175)

Scott

From: Paramus NJ & Decatur NY

Your welcome Lil. Yes you are right. How could I have missed "Your Eyes". That was the song I played over and over again when I purchased "Ridin On The Blinds" a few years ago. My favorite on the album. I also love "All Creation". Rick pushing his range to hit those notes - SOULFUL !!!!! Anyway, I also agree with an earlier post that some of Rick's great vocal performances were duets or trios with Levon and Richard or I will add Eric and Jonas. "The Rumor", I mentioned "Blind Willie" earlier, How about "Keep This Love Alive" from "Ridin On The Blinds", and "Driften Away". Looks like I could name his entire catalog !!!! I truly love music. I am a complete music junkie. That's what we all are doing at this site. Celebrating music. Let us all try to remember this when we post.... Those darn Wednesday eve. shows... Hey you, over at Joyous Lake - WEEKEND SHOWS, for all of us who get up early in the AM during the work week... Please !!!!!!


Posted on Wed Jan 26 03:34:02 CET 2000 from pm3-143.efn.org (206.163.180.143)

deb

From: oregon

My favorite scene in The Last Waltz? This is really tough, but one comes to mind. Actually, it's a segment: Richard laying on a couch talking about how they got the name "The Band" which leads into the incredible presentation of "The Weight"; with the fog all around, the gliding cameras, the different moments: Rick launching wildly into the "Crazy Chester" verse, the sly look that Robbie gives as he passes along the song to the others on stage, the brilliant choice of adding The Staples to the stage, all of the flawlessly edited pieces that make up much more than the sum of the individual parts, and the almost imperceptible word at the end of the song from (Mavis, I believe?) one of The Staples: "Beautiful." Then, if that is not enough, we go right into the off-the-cuff "Old Time Religion." Heavenly.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 03:17:42 CET 2000 from spider-tp083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.213)

Nancy

From: NJ

This is my first time writing here. One question: Do people usually fight like this in here? I've been looking through the last two days and there's not a lot of love. For me, I have loved The Band since my older brother brought home the album 'Music from Big Pink'. After that, I bought every Band album than continued after the break-up buying Robbie Robertson's stuff. And now I am attempting to influence my brother's his oldest son to listen to The Band - it's slow going but I'm not giving up.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 02:58:21 CET 2000 from user-33qt87g.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.240)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Speaking of the Last Waltz: last night I rented the Danny Kaye version of Hans Christian Anderson for my kids. I'm doing the dishes (honest!) while the show comes on in the other room when, during the overture, I hear a four-bar fragment of the theme from TLW! I came in and rolled back the tape to make sure, when my wife says, "Isn't that from TLW?" Turms out to be part of a song called "Copenhagen." If you have kids, it's a good movie, and, for a moment, you get to ponder the mystery of music....


Posted on Wed Jan 26 02:54:15 CET 2000 from hud1-pm-01-61.termserv.net (204.97.156.61)

Diamond Lil

From: a foot of snow

One of my favorite parts of TLW has always been the 'ol time religion' segment. You have to smile at Rick and Robbie...almost oblivious to their surroundings..singing that song together. Love Rick's fiddle playing .. and just the look on his face. And Robbie's assertion that's it's 'not like it used to be' makes me laugh everytime. A very "real" segment, and one that I'm guilty of rewinding after and watching again and again.

Hope everyone here has a good night. And more importantly, let's all have a better tomorrow. Goodnight from crazyville.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 02:46:52 CET 2000 from proxy-383.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.83)

edward blayzor

From: patterson,ny

it`s a shame that a "few" ruined the chat room for the rest of us,i got to chat with some great people about my favorite BAND, oh well. To 'LIL your eyes is one of my favorites too- i love both DFA discs


Posted on Wed Jan 26 02:46:57 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: austin community college,

enjoyed pat brennan's link with the great photos at the procol site. Also dug seeing the guitar player interview with Rick and Robbie from '76 up. Many thanks, folks


Posted on Wed Jan 26 02:29:52 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: austin, tx

favorite danko song, oh man i cant do that. so many songs touch me so deeply. his voice has been making me cry tears of every color for almost 25 years. Lately I have enjoyed the DFA record enormously, as well as Jubilation, just a wonderful record. the version of "Faded Book Brown" off the E-Town show is such poetry, every nuance of that singing just opens up to more. Rick was an artist of such depth his effect really cant be estimated any time soon.

Kerrilyn: it was you I believe who asked for recommended blues artists from us... a fun post to start to pick up on. Lately I have really enjoyed the Sleepy John Estes comps on yazoo records. His singing reminds me of Levon often and is accompanied by beautiful mandolin and piano with the guitar.

Another of my recent favorites is Blind Lemon Jefferson who may be the most amazing guitarist I may have ever heard, plays an amazing 6 string orchestra with all kinds of sounds coming from an incredible sensitivity and deft touch. he also has a very deep, sad sounding resonance to his singing that one doesnt hear too often. I also recommend a listen to the great records of Memphis Minnie, Tampa Red and Kokomo Arnold. I hear alot of the fantastic mythic themes found in the commonplace things as with the Band.

Guenevere: you have educated us now. we want to discuss the Band and celebrate them, without fear of ascerbic, lambastic burials, broadsides and pc revisionism as truth for all ages. Many of us find that boring, very boring compared to what thinking about the amount of meaning we come to experience through our favorite artists music and influences. We appreciate your opinions and celebrate your right to state them. there are other sites more suited to your particular formal investigations. Nothing personal.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 02:28:15 CET 2000 from user-33qt92d.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.77)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

One of my favorite LW scenes is when someone brings up women on the road and the boys all get wiggy. Seems like the Hawk's promise panned out.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 02:09:39 CET 2000 from 209-122-237-64.s572.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com (209.122.237.64)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

A few more tidbits about the Garth/Crowmatix concerts in NYC. The February 4th gig at The Bottom Line consists of an early show (7:30) and a late show (10:30). The ad in the paper suggests that Garth & co. are the opening act; the main act is a group called Cork, with Erick Schenkman (formerly of Spin Doctors) and Corky Laing (formerly of Mountain). Tickets are $15 each (a shame that Garth isn't the main act, but still a bargain IMHO). Hope everyone in the area can make it!

The February 10th benefit at Cipriani is $150 a ticket. Uh, don't think I'll be able to make that one...

And incidentally, Joan Baez is doing a series of club shows in NYC in late March...I'm sure she'd honor a certain request! :)


Posted on Wed Jan 26 02:07:20 CET 2000 from hud1-pm-01-61.termserv.net (204.97.156.61)

Diamond Lil

Guenevere: This is the last time I'm going to address you. Perhaps your reading comprehension is not up to standard so let me clarify something. I did not call anyone a name. I merely pointed out the fact that _someone_ (who has id'd herself as a woman repeatedly) has been using the chatroom for things that it was not intended for. And since you admittedly have 'no idea' what went on in there, I suggest (respectfully of course) that you stay out of it.

I'm done with this subject. The problem is in the more than capable hands of the man who allows us all to be his guests here, and I have every confidence that he'll deal with the matter appropriately. Thank You.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 01:59:14 CET 2000 from 209-122-237-64.s572.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com (209.122.237.64)

Jon Lyness

To Ben T.: Ben, I've been trying to reach you over the last few weeks re trading...for some reason, all mail I've sent out to AOL accounts has vanished (doesn't make any sense to me either)...I'll try you again once the problem is fixed. Thanks.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 01:37:20 CET 2000 from spider-tj021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.181)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

I've never utilised a chat-room,partly because I type sloooowlyy and partly lack of interest. I'm not sorry I recently missed what sounds like a drag. Oh well, a couple observations: Having attended quite a few Blues Festivals over the years I have noticed a marked lack of attendees of color. A notable exception-The King Biscuit Blues Festival in Helena, AK 10/94. (A brief digression- this is one of my very favorite Band shows and if anyone ever could provide me with a tape they would be my hero}However, I have noticed that Jazz festivals always are well attended by people of color. What it means, I don't know. My favorite Rick vocals-official recordings that is- Long Black Veil, Enless Highway(Before The Flood) and a more obscure but lovely tune, Blue-Tail Fly(Bring it on Home Vol.one. This cut is also graced with the presence of Garth and Happy Traum}.


Posted on Wed Jan 26 01:27:45 CET 2000 from vdp102.ath02.cas.hol.gr (195.97.2.103)

a fan in Greece

From: Athens

Jan, as Maria Callas once said "for every hand that's clapping for you, there's always someone at the back, sitting in the dark booing." As for the chatroom (I really shouldn't even get involved here) I only went once and was hit by someone really rude. Never went back. For all you chatroom regulars, can't you ignore whoever is being rude? it seems such a shame to lose your precious chatroom. Just don't respond to their postings at all. Act like their interference is invisible. It works for me with disruptive students(I'm a teacher). People will soon get the message that you are only welcome in conversations when you act sociable and civil. Now, to get back on the subject, what's everyones favorite TLW scene? one of my favorites is when Levon is talking while he holds a lit match, he talks on and on and I'm thinking this has got to be the longest burning match I've ever seen......


Posted on Tue Jan 25 23:50:40 CET 2000 from pm3-032.efn.org (206.163.180.32)

deb's dog and kitty

From: some house where it rains a lot

Blackie says: I'm the big one, all black and furry; they call me a dog. I'm old and can't hear very much, but when Deb puts on that song from "Jubilation" called "Book Faded Brown" I go right to sleep. It is so nice and calming. Rikki says: I'm the little one; almost brand new. Deb says she named me after some singer called Rick. I came to live with her and Blackie right after a big celebration and on this guy Rick's real birthday, so I got his name. She says I like to sing and dance around just like he did. Blackie: We love the music by this Band group. It makes us really happy. I am 18 years old, they tell me, and can't hear very much, but I understand enough. I remember when I was a pup hearing some screechy woman, named Joan something, trying to sing one of their songs. Calgon, take me away! I would rather go to the dentist for 3 days than hear that woman sing that song again. She sounds kinda like a fire engine. So does that John Colorado... er... Denver...guy. Almost makes me glad I'm nearly deaf. Rikky: I am a sweet little pussycat. Maybe Guenevere would be a happier person if she got one. I don't think that Hawk guy meant anything bad when he said that about kitties. Kitties like music, too, and they like the guys who play the music even more. Blackie: It's been nice meeting you all, and Illka's doggie spirit. Rikki: MAIOUWWWWWWW; I can sing!


Posted on Tue Jan 25 23:48:32 CET 2000 from stk-pm1-28-156.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.156)

Guenevere

From: Imagine that again!

Laura: I don't know what went on in the chat room either, but I'd sure like to. Interesting that the figure being scape-goated is a woman, and that she's being name-called a "whore" by someone who in the SAME POST complains about all the name-calling!!! All I know is there seems to be a double standard in effect here. Personally I saw "someone" come in the "beloved" chat room the other day and basically tell anyone who didn't wish to talk strictly about The Band that they were not welcome. I also saw the "same people" come back in the chat room later and gang up on a chatter with a blatant agenda threatening to "have the chat room closed" for no apparent reason, other than the chatter in question was simply talking about a musical group that they didn't want her/him to talk about. But I think this was before the chat room was turned into a whorehouse. I thought it was rude.

Apparently the Norwegian Laws are very strict indeed!


Posted on Tue Jan 25 23:38:48 CET 2000 from pm3-032.efn.org (206.163.180.32)

deb

From: oregon

The reason I'm here (listening to this wonderful music, meeting the cool people on this guestbook, celebrating the life and times of some of the most wonderful and talented musicians who have ever graced this planet) can be directly traced back to an incident in the 60s involving The Beatles. My family belonged to a strange little cult-like church called Jehovah's Witnesses, and my brother and I were being indoctrinated into it's folds. We had weekly "bible" studies (although the JWs mainly use their own version of The Bible, so I that doesn't accurately describe the weekly readings). At one of them (I was 13 and my bro was 11), the "Elder" of the church who headed up our study found out we listened to Beatle music. He went on a rant to our parents that went on for an eternity. I recall phrases like: "You have to take these kids in hand...can't let them succumb to the Devil's music...came from Africa...jungle rhythm..worshipping the Devil by listening to this music...take them away from it before it's too late." Well, my Mom (being a big Beatle fan who would readily ferry us and our friends to a Beatle concert over 500 miles away if we could get tickets) took us away...from that church. God bless Mom, The Beatles, and The J.W. church, for it is because of them that I was fortunate enough to realize the importance of music in my life and in the world. Rock on!


Posted on Tue Jan 25 23:08:50 CET 2000 from 120.philadelphia-13-14rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.213.120)

carmen

From: PA

Was just watching CNN Showbiz Today. They did a piece on the new documentary on the great Blues Legend Robert Johnson titled "Hell Hounds on My Trail". This looks really good! There was a spot with Bob Weir singing a Robert Johnson tune with what looked like Rick Danko on upright Bass.

Now a violation of free speach would be if the gov't forced Jan to reopen the chat room.

Any news on the unfinished Danko CD?

Regarding the RAP thing! I think it was Eric Clapton who stated the whole body of work by the BAND is very important. I took this statement to mean important in a historical contex and in the same catagory as Bach etc.. I agree. If you think about music in this sence, what RAP artist will ever have this statement made about thier "music"?


Posted on Tue Jan 25 22:57:16 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Sharon, you might be typing in the US, but many of us on the Guestbook aren't. Most importantly, our indulgent host, St Jan, has his own (Norwegian) laws to obey and his own moral compass to follow.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 22:54:08 CET 2000 from dept175.alm.depaul.edu (140.192.65.175)

Peter Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

I think freedom of speech really only deals with the government not being allowed to limit it. Jan can do as he wishes with his own website. On can argue that we should have a free exchange of ideas, butI would hesitate to call some of these exchanges of ideas, of which I too am guilty. Favorite Rick moment: I have a bootleg from Albany where he does a wonderfully aching version of "Your Love Blows My Mind"--the Motown tune. It's wonderful.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 22:20:34 CET 2000 from (194.129.43.14)

Dan

From: London, England

Thanks Laura for the message. I am really sad about the chat room closing (although I probably made one or two rude comments there myself.) I was on it just this weekend and it was a real pleasure being on it - i have forgotten who it was but two 11th graders were having a gas on it - what a way to talk to people. Why was it closed down? I sort of understand from what Diamond Lil said but I never noticed anything when I visited it. All the best everyone. Let's hope it re-opens soon. None of this takes away from what be one of the best music websites I have seen.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 22:15:59 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I was trying to think of my favourite Rick Danko song. And it's really hard to do. The songs that are my favourites aren't ones that Rick sang the lead on alone. Now it's not because I don't like him - actually it's the exact opposite. Rick was my favourite. I think all the members shone brightly, but for me Rick's light just shone abit past the others. My favourite songs are the ones where Rick has a line maybe a verse or underlying harmony. They are like chocolate cake, my favourite part, and always make me smile. When I hear them it's like sssshhhh here's Rick's part. You have to listen alittle closer to hear that voice, but it always comes through. But if I had to pick some where he sings lead I'd say Too Soon Gone, Long Black Veil and Blind Willie McTell. Makes No Difference always gives me goosebumps no matter how many times I hear it.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 22:12:45 CET 2000 from spider-tl054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.199)

Ben

From: New Jersey
Home page

If anyone is interested in trading Band tapes, my list is up at my homepage. An interesting topic for discsussion here may be the various line-ups of the Band between 1983-1997. I've always enjoyed the shows that I've listened to from this period (especially the 1990's lineup, around the time 'Jericho' was released and made up a large part of their set.) The last Band show I saw was in the summer of '97 in East Brunswick, NJ while Rick was in Japan. It was basically a Band/Cromatix show and it was excellent. I remember the additional voices really added to the harmonies of 'Atlantic city' among others. I'm curious if anyone here saw any of the shows with Billy Preston back in the early 90's?


Posted on Tue Jan 25 21:45:23 CET 2000 from ip157.perthamboy4.nj.pub-ip.psi.net (38.32.42.157)

sHARON

From: New Jersey

i CAN'T believe the chat room is closed-I thought this was the United States


Posted on Tue Jan 25 21:25:14 CET 2000 from mnet05-77.austin.texas.net (207.207.3.161)

Laura Holt

From: Austin, TX

I don't know what exactly went on in the chat room but reading Diamond Lil's segment gave me a pretty good idea. What's wrong with you people?!! This chatroom was a great place for all of us to come together and talk about some of the best music ever made. I know every chatroom has their idiots but PLEASE go somewhee else if you want to talk ignorant!....Thanx for speaking your mind Diamond Lil!! Can anyone tell me when the chatroom will be open again. I miss talking to dan, bear and so many other educated band fans. ATTENTION ALL IDIOTS: Leave our chatroom alone and go somewhere else PLEASE!!!!


Posted on Tue Jan 25 21:22:26 CET 2000 from 209-130-200-137.nas2.mon.gblx.net (209.130.200.137)

Lars

From: Upstate NY

Kind of rough out there today: snow, wind, and now it's changing over to sleet. A good day to watch the snow fall, to sit inside with the fire's warmth on my back, and listen to the Band.

Last week a lot was mentioned here in the GB about TLW, a great tape of the Band in the 70's. However, I seldom hear anyone talk about the Band at Woodstock '94. This concert was taped and is available in VHS format. Not as polished as TLW, this footage shows only the Band's performance at the concert. It portrays the Band in the '90's. Warts and all: you get to see Levon's disgust with the sound system as he angrily hits his drums with both sticks, then glares at the sound board. You also get to hear the Band the way they played in the 90's, which was somewhat different than the way they played in TLW. The songs have different words in spots; some of Danko's harmonies have changed. The Band and the music have changed, but the spirit is the same. Levon does a real nice vocal on "Ophelia," as well as many other songs. Rick tries to hit the high notes when it's his turn, but the range is no longer there. Still, Rick somehow makes it work. Randy picks up a bass for "Caledonia," and Levon is playing either bass or guitar (I forget which) on "Crazy Mama." Garth, Richard Bell, and Jim Weider share the spotlight, no one person is the center of attention. It's footage of The Band. Jim Weider played some incredible guitar that day.

I'll try to find out where this tape is available, in case anyone is interested.



Posted on Tue Jan 25 21:21:11 CET 2000 from 1cust28.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.28)

Damon Z

From: The Island

It is interesting that the late and very great (phenomenal to be more accurate) Jimi Hendrix an icon of the '60s had (and still has) very few black fans - could it have been that blacks were biased against him because his initial bandmates were white? Or can someone explain it another way? BTW I never took pride in any one performer just because his skin color happened to match mine. I loved Ray Charles, Jerry Lee, Little Richard or Buddy Holly's music equally. I also had Richie Valens' "La Bamba" in my collection though I couldn't understand a word - and still don't. (Also, had his LP and was very saddenned by his early death.)

Re: RAP - it's crap to me and the aural equivalent of the wonderful "graffiti art" that has defaced our cities and towns these past 20 years or so - it's main ingredients being a mindless and immature "Look at me!!!" ego trip and "in your face" attitude. And if Sting thinks "Puffy's sampling of my song (Every Breath You Take) is simply marvelous!" - I DON'T!! I think it's a rip-off of someone else's creativity to fill a void when one's own creativity is lacking or non-existent. But maybe by complimenting Puffy who is black Sting is simply trying to justify his own rip-off of black artist Stevie Wonder's great song "I Was Made to Love Her" with his new offering "Brand New Day." I don't think I've ever witnessed a more blatant song theft by a major recording artist.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 20:33:30 CET 2000 from spider-tn033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.58)

butch dener

From: ulster county NY

Well Friends,, its TUESDAY, here,,, & SNOWING !!!! Tomorrow,,,,, WEDNESDAY !! 9:00pm,,, The Joyous Lake Woodstock, NY,,,, $ 10.00 Levon Helm & The Barn Burners w/ miss Amy Helm,,, & Garth Hudson (?) surefire cure for a blizzard,,,,, THE BLUES !!!!! see ya there,,,, butch


Posted on Tue Jan 25 20:27:18 CET 2000 from host68.sherwin.com (198.81.216.2)

Denis H.

From: Cleveland - Formerly Brooklyn

Hi just found this site. Have been a Band Fan since 1988 - although my father tried to introduce me to them much earlier. I was just wondering if anyone has any recommendations on Jubilations. Is it worth getting?


Posted on Tue Jan 25 20:03:36 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-18-114.termserv.net (208.20.67.114)

Diamond Lil

Thanks Scott..for that list of wonderful vocal performances by Rick. Brings back one of the _real_ reasons for being here. Am listening to 'Jubilation' here right now, and it's keeping me warm in the midst of an incredible blizzard. 8 inches on the ground already...expecting another 6 to 8 more. If I have to be stuck in the house, at least I have the music. Oh yeah..and the kids :-)

And if I may add one of my own favorite Rick performances to your list, I'd like to add 'Your Eyes' from DFA Ridin on the Blinds. That one brings tears to _my_ eyes.....


Posted on Tue Jan 25 19:49:39 CET 2000 from dialup-301.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.45)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Howdee There!!........I wanna say thanks to the following folks for sharing your thoughts and opinions on those subjects I threw at y'all last night....Deb, Kerrilyn, Mattk, Ragtime and Charlie Young.....to all the rest of you Band GB regulars, a big hello.......I really enjoyed Mattks piece on how The Band were responsible for turning many people, world-wide, onto the blues and other Americana music..........well written.......Thanx to Charlie Young for that snippet of info about The Beatles singing "To Kingdom Come"..........still, is there any account of what the guys in The Band thought of Joan Baez' version of "Dixie"? I'll tell you one thing, I think The Bands renditions, live or on "The Brown" Album are AWESOME.......but Joanies version is easier to busk.......and in my busking days it was always worth a few bob, as they say in these here parts, (a few bucks...) Now, when I play it, I do it kinda as a mixture of both.......sorry, folks.......for wot it's worth, I learned to play "Help me make it thru the night" from the same Baez album........Gotta go , Talk to y'all later.......


Posted on Tue Jan 25 19:37:00 CET 2000 from spider-wc054.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.44)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Oh,yeah,Band connections:the song-title Last Train to Memphis from Jubilation comes from Guralnick's book. Scotty Moore played with The Band on his tribute album,unfortunately one of the few songs on that album I like. Incidentally-A&E plans a Biography segment on Sam Philips called The Man who invented Rock and Roll. The title is of course arguable, but his influence is not. Sun Record's stable included the very young and hungry, not to mention talented and legendery Jerry Lee Lewis, Roy Orbison, Johnny Cash, B.B.King, and Carl Perkins.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 19:23:23 CET 2000 from spider-wc054.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.44)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Haven't checked in for a few days and find some small amount of controversy, and some good stuff as well(as usual}.A couple things I can't help commenting on, both have MattK's fingerprints on them-John Denver and The Band connection:on Emmy Lou Harris' beautiful album titled "Duets" she sings one with JD and of course one with the boys-"Evangaline" from the LW.{she also has many many Band connections}Elvis:A plug coming up}Peter Guralnick, a prolific documenter of all things Elvis, wrote 2 books in the 90's.The first one:"Last Train to Memphis:The Rise of EP" is a superb telling of EP.s story from birth up to going into the army. He really captures the feel of America in those days, especially the south which shaped our man Levon. Definitely recommended for anyone interested in music. The second-"Careless Love:The Fall of EP" is just as good, IMHO, but harder to get through without dedication. It does a great job of covering the remainder of EP's life but by its very subject matter in somewhat exploitive and tabloid-like. Well worth checking out.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 18:59:29 CET 2000 from proxy-383.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.83)

Scott

Someone mentioned enough with the nonsense and celebrate Rick's life. Good idea.....My favorite Rick songs (singing lead, in no particular order)......1) Blue River: Danko, Fjeld, Anderson 2) Caledonia Mission: Music from Big Pink 3) Blind Willie McTell: Jericho, Live In Concert 4) Sip The Wine: Rick Danko 5) Book Faded Brown: Jubilation 6) If I Should Fail: Jubilation 7) It Make No Difference, Northern Lights - Southern Cross, Live From Breeze Hill, Live In Concert. Yeah all 3 are great 8) Volcano: Cahoots 9) Raining In My Heart : Bring It On Home - Vol.2 10) Too Soon Gone: Jericho 11) Ophelia : Live From Breeze Hill 12) Long Black Veil : Music From Big Pink 13) The Unfaithful Servant : The Band......Each one of these vocal performances are simply amazing. Don't they take your breath away ? I think I am going to go and listen to every one of these songs......


Posted on Tue Jan 25 18:59:10 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Well, in the interest of settling things down, I'd like to keep up the thread about race and The Band...

One of the great things about this group is it's respect and understanding of traditionally African American influences. While it's ridiculous to pin one race or another to a single style or music. Increasingly, using terms like R/B, or even rap to define music is harder to do in terms of race and tends to be more about demographics and marketing. I have friends, who happen to be African American, who really like the Band and other artists who are white or mixed. Clearly, particularly in the US, our history of race relations makes it very understandable that an African American person may feel greater affinity for a group or musician when they see another Black face. The same could be said of Hispanic music. In some ways, it's very much a point of pride.

When Motown exploded into the American consciousness in the 60s, for the first time, really, people of color could point with pride towards music that reflects their experience and exposes the artistic genius of a Black musician on par, or even greater, than what was popularly conceived before that time. Certainly, Jazz and Blues artists enjoyed popularity amongst the white population in the 30s and 40s, but it was not until the 50s and really the 60s that it became less of an underground thing.

Suddenly, you could hear Little Richard or James Brown or Otis Redding side-by-side with white artists on the radio and at your local record store. For too long, the only way you could buy a Muddy Waters album or find an extensive Jazz collection was at smaller stores that specialized in "race" records.

Interstingly (and sadly) while categorizing audiences by race is still persistent, the popularity of Rap in traditionally white enclaves of the suburbs is helping to change the record companies' attitudes about potential audiences. It is still to limited for my taste, but as usual, youth is pointing the way by embracing broader and broader musical idioms, just as their parents did and their grandparents did before them. While music industry marketing is still pretty unevolved (if more subtle, sometimes), the concept of an R/B top 40 vs. a Rock or Pop top 40 still stinks of the racial deliniations that have plagued American music for too long.

The BEAUTIFUL thing about The Band, is that they were a major force in bringing disparate musical influences together in a blend that somehow seemed universal. While they may not have enjoyed HUGE success with Black audiences (which is purely anectdotal, addmitedly), they played a huge role in bringing traditionally Black music to a broader audience.

Certainly the British invasion was fueled by a British rockers' love of Blues and R/B (Yardbirds, Stones, and later, Zepplin), they were unique on the American scene, which fueled by The Band, Janis Joplin, Butterfield, J. Geils and Jimi, embraced African American musicians and their music in a way that had never occurred before. I'm reminded of some excellent sections of the Bill Graham book where he talks about exposing predominantly white audiences at Winterland and the Fillmore to Otis Redding and Chuck Berry. For many of these kids, who had flocked to SF from the heartland, it was the first time they saw Black performers in person for the first time.

Through Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Carl Perkins, they had felt the influences before, but if you grew up in Iowa, unless you went to KC or Chicago, chances are you did not see too many Black musicians performing in person, save such popular and widely recognized performers like Nat King Cole or Sammy Davis Jr.

Black performers embracing more traditionally "white" forms has been more difficult. I'm reminded of George Clinton's refrain on One Nation Under a Groove: "who says a funk band can't play rock and who says a rock band, can't play funk?" Sadly, 20 years later, when seminal groups like Living Color or Fishbone have trouble getting over due to truly crappy service by their record companies (though Living Color managed one big hit in "Cult of Personality"), it's still exceedingly rare to see Black faces playing "rock and roll" which the record companies seem to have trouble believing will cross-over to white audiences or be accepted by black audiences. The mere fact that there needs to be a "Black Rock Coalition" (thanks in large part to Vernon Reid from Living Color and the members of Fishbone), tells us there is still a long way to go.

Sorry this is so rambling, but I think there are some interesting nuggets to discuss regarding cross-pollination of cultures via music, and how The Band is really a pioneer in that phenomenon.

Peace

Matt


Posted on Tue Jan 25 18:56:09 CET 2000 from ns1.schuster.com (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

From: Snowed in Down in Old Virginny

To Hank in Ireland: regarding your question about whether Paul McCartney "liked The Band." I think the answer may be found elsewhere on this amazing site (naturally). If you have Real Audio, you can listen to a mostly intrumental version of "To Kingdom Come" from The Beatles' GET BACK sessions. Paul's voice is clearly audible working on the song by fellow EMI/Capitol Records artists, The Band. One wonders, by the way, what will become of the Capitol archives once swallowed by the maga-fish that will be AOL-TIME-WARNER-EMI.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 18:52:46 CET 2000 from (209.32.129.141)

Pete Rivard

From: Hastings, MN

John,

I saw the Annie Lennox, Dave Stewart piece as well. Stumbled on it channel surfing and watched it straight through. Real good stuff. I enjoyed them just fielding requests out of the blue, some obscure, and launching right into them.

Regarding the recent debates on Ronnie Hawkins, and speaking as a musician of the "local scene" variety as opposed to "celebrity", let us all bow our heads and pray with all our might that a musician's reputation never be based on national celebrity, number of records sold, or position on some magazine's "Top 100" list. Everyone who attends their local music scene, (and everyone should) knows four or five musicians on any axe, or singers, for that matter, that can kick the ass of most any "celebrity" artist.

By the way, everything I've read or seen on the Hawk's shows tells me that he left nothing on the stage when his shows were over. A pro who gave it everything he had, and enjoyed himself tremendously to boot.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 18:41:44 CET 2000 from usr57-dialup336.mix2.boston.cw.net (166.62.204.218)

wood

the calm and quiet steps of those who move with love and peace and hope, carried in the heart, only to give away, someday will hear the songs of wind and rain, that have forever been ~ despite the dissention so well bred in our time, there is a piercing echo of peaceful silence, but only heard through another's heart, spoken by that mouth ~ and when in disagreement, i look inside myself to find true reason for my pain and an illusion of this fight ~ it is nothing what you told me, rather what i heard ~ if your skin covered my heart, i might understand, as part of the mystery of this life is buried beneath your words, just as they are, in mine...


Posted on Tue Jan 25 18:36:19 CET 2000 from bay-set8-ip-43.se-tel.com (63.70.189.43)

MISTY (MID)

From: KENTUCKY, USA

TO BAND FANS: The Band and their music is very full of emotion, and when I hear it-it takes me places, fills my mind with images, and lets me feel something deep. It is such a shame that we can't have any more chats in OUR beloved chatroom. I will miss telling bear about my run-ins with band members. And exchanging new information about them on here. This web site is perhaps my most favorite, and it is so filled with information that I crave, I savor each word I read. Anyway, if anyone has any tidbits they care to share with me, please feel free to e-mail me. I would especially like some information on Rick Danko's unreleased cd. God Bless. misty


Posted on Tue Jan 25 17:12:23 CET 2000 from spider-wj042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.37)

Chuck B

A long time fan of the Band, I'm proud to say that I saw them live at the NYC Academy of Music shows that produced Rock of Ages, Watkins Glen & The Last Waltz. Now that I'm rebuilding my collection via CD's, I've been looking for Moondog Matinee, which appears to be out of print. Any clues how to locate a copy?


Posted on Tue Jan 25 16:11:18 CET 2000 from sbsdwww.sburl.k12.vt.us (209.91.14.14)

Bob Peterson

From: Burlington, Vt

Guen, my last message was not very nice and was a bit out of line. I apologize. I just wish things could be more civil because I love this site so much. I should have thought before I sent it. Sorry. Bob


Posted on Tue Jan 25 16:06:53 CET 2000 from sbsdwww.sburl.k12.vt.us (209.91.14.14)

Bob Peterson

From: Burlington, Vt

Guen--Is this just an attention ploy for you? This is now going beyond your humble opinion (as all opinions posted here are humble) and reaching what I would call a cry for attention. As a web community I would suggest simply ignoring Guen because she really doesn't add to our web site, she merely craves attention. That's okay, but it's all-consuming as of late, and that's no fun. Thanks anyway, Guen, but no thanks (I say). Bob


Posted on Tue Jan 25 14:22:59 CET 2000 from trt-on58-15.netcom.ca (216.123.101.143)

John Donabie

Nothing to do with The Band; but did anyone see the great A&E special with Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart the other night. Ms. Lennox proves once again that she is one very talented human being. She gets better with age. Man can she sing...and Dave Stewart (also a great soundtrack kind of guy) playing great slide guitar. Great to see them back together again.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 12:54:44 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-11-203.termserv.net (208.20.67.170)

Diamond Lil

Deb: I was referring to Damon Z's last post, not yours. Please read my post again. The first paragraph has to do with the closing of the _chatroom_...not the guestbook. Thanks.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 12:39:56 CET 2000 from pm3-022.efn.org (206.163.180.22)

deb

From: oregon

Hey Lil: I am the one who made that comment about free speech and the first amendment (something this country is supposed to stand for). Could you clarify your statement about using this GB as a forum for a personal whorehouse? I really don't understand. I did not engage in any name-calling at any time, so I don't understand the leap you made regarding my free speech comment. Call me confused, and I am sorry if I offended any one with my defense of our first amendment.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 12:13:59 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-11-203.termserv.net (208.20.67.170)

Diamond Lil

There are 2 things I'd like to comment on here, because frankly..I'm incredibly disgusted.

Someone mentioned 'free speech' in the same sentence as the recent closing of the chatroom. Does free speech include allowing someone to go in there, using the names of others as she conducts her own personal whorehouse??? I think not. There are many other places on the net to do that sort of thing, and I don't think Jan has worked this hard for someone to turn his site into a joke. Sorry to those who don't agree with me, but when 'free speech' infringes on the rights of others, it's time to pull the plug. Thank God Jan has a conscience.

And as far as this guestbook goes, I suggest that those of you with all this hostility do everyone a favor and take it elsewhere. It's a real shame that this forum is turning (again) into a name-calling free-for-all.

Apologies to those of you that this post doesn't concern. Someone had to say it. So I did. Thanks.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 12:03:03 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Sundog: good to see you're back already... :-)

Alfie: you can find anything you want to know about Rick in this very website.

Peter: I'll have to spend some time in the dentist's chair this afternoon (not 90 minutes I hope) but thinking of Ms. Baez will hardly be of comfort to me ;-)

Spirit of Ilkka's dog haunting me like Holy Cow hey hey hey...


Posted on Tue Jan 25 11:27:11 CET 2000 from basil.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net (194.82.103.35)

Alfie

From: England
Home page

Dear Assembled, Being English I'm forced to scramble around and sift the newspapers and magazines to get so much as a nugget of info on the band - so although I acknowledge that it's poor form - what did Rick Danko die from? There's a band in the UK called Travis who are huge.... they'll be sweeping into the USA in the next few months who have been doing a cover of the weight.... It's following on from the greats... but if it gets them any airplay - that's got to be good.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 10:13:18 CET 2000 from du-tele3-088.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.88)

Peter Viney

Fan from Greece: Kalimera. “Free your mind” - I think the En Vogue version on “Funky Divas” is the original. It was written by by Thomas McElroy and Denzil Foster who also produced their albums and seem to have written most of the tracks.

I had 90 minutes in the dentist’s chair yesterday. As the drill whirred I comforted myself with the thought that this was nowhere near as painful as Joan Baez’s recording of “The Night they drove Old dixie Down.”


Posted on Tue Jan 25 09:37:57 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Well, Hank, I can honestly say that I knew Dixie's original far before hearing what Joan Baez did with it... or to it actually...

And I remember very well how annoyed I was when my sister-in-law - who lived in the States at that time - came over and heard me play The Band (what else :-). "The Band? - what band-and-so-on" - she liked the Carpenters. Anyway, on hearing Ol'Dixie she shouted "Oh, these guys are playing Joan Baez songs..."

It took me weeks to get over this... ;-)


Posted on Tue Jan 25 09:25:58 CET 2000 from stk-pm1-61-189.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.189)

Guenevere

From: Imagine that!

BTW: And that crude comment of Hawkin's about "getting lots of p*ssy" proves I was right in the first place - he's a misogynistic pig!!!!!

And he may be THE BIG TIME BIG FISH in the Lake Ontario but in the OCEAN OF ROCK'N'ROLL he's nuthin' but a guppy!!!!!

Lil: lets see I can't decide, is being labeled by you more like being quacked at by a duck... or being mooed at by a cow?

(or is it buzzed by a fly???)


Posted on Tue Jan 25 08:35:05 CET 2000 from vdp031.ath03.cas.hol.gr (195.97.3.32)

A fan in Greece

From: Athens

Peter Viney: thanks for mentioning "Free Your Mind" from High on the Hog. I don't know if you (in the "West") have heard the En Vogue version. It was huge as a club dance song here in Europe a few years back. Does anyone know who did the original (any dj's out there...John Donabie?) or where this song came from? do check it out just for the lyrics because it is powerful. It always amazes me to know that its a Levon Helm song and an MTV song. They are so different musically. Here's two seemingly different genres singing for tolerance. What's the background to this song anyone?


Posted on Tue Jan 25 08:19:18 CET 2000 from acay019125157.acay.com.au (203.19.125.157)

Patric [ The Loved One ]

From: Down South In New South Wales

P.Brennan ..Touching on your post about Procol Harum ..Series of concerts starting here soon which is billed as "The Rock Legends". Names in the show include Alice Cooper, Roger Daltry, Jack Bruce [ whom I consider to be alongside Rick as the best bass/vocalist I have heard] also includes Gary Brooker from Procol Harum. Should be a good night ..hope he sings Conquistador !


Posted on Tue Jan 25 07:51:30 CET 2000 from host10.pm4.laurel.us.net (198.240.94.10)

mattk

Ok, so I was born in the suburbs of Denver in 1966. My parents were not all that interested in the music of the day, but graciously saved me from obsessions with 70s era Elvis (ok, I know some folks here like 70s Elvis, but I have too many John Waters flavored memories of friends mom's in house coats and curlers getting WAY to religious about the dude).

So anyway, my parents saved me from Elvis and much of the dreck of the early 70s (though my sisters tormented me with disco later on, but that's another story).

So anyway, I don't have to listen to much crap. My dad liked C/W, but was not so musically inclined, and my mom listened to a lot of jazz and classical music. The ONE thing my parents loved from that era...well, not the only thing, they really liked Neil Diamond...oh, and Gordon Lightfoot...oh, and Paul Simon/Simon&Garfunkel...but that's it...

...except for John Denver. They LOVED John Denver. They owned all the early stuff, "Poems, Prayers and Promises," "Rocky Mountain High," "Aerie," "Rhymes and Reasons." John was cool for a kid. He had a mellow voice and sang songs you sorta understood. Can't stand him now, really, though I find myself singing songs he recorded, and discovered later he did not write.

Songs I used to think John Denver wrote:

  • Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
  • City of New Orleans
  • Blow Up Your TV
  • Fire and Rain
  • When I'm Sixty Four (no I'm not kidding)
  • Eleanor Rigby (Ditto)
  • Anarchy in the UK (ok, just kidding)

So fellow GB'ers, let it not be said that I don't love you enough to share such shame. Of course, I love my parents to, and look what they subjected me to ; )

Peace all

Matt


Posted on Tue Jan 25 06:47:34 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Ikkaa:) That story put a tear in my eye:-(


Posted on Tue Jan 25 06:18:50 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I definately thought that Dixie was a Joan Baez song. I remember when I was a kid, we had it on a 45 recording ("Marylou" was there too). I never liked it. And when I got into the Band I remember thinking: why the hell did they cover that old folk tune. Then I saw the writing credit, OOPS. For some reason I still don't like that song, it's my least favourite Band tune. Maybe Joan ruined it for me, hard to say.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 05:49:37 CET 2000 from pm3-235.efn.org (206.163.180.235)

deb

From: oregon

Yes, I heard Joan Baez' version on the radio many, many times before I knew who was really responsible for the tune. I have to confess (sorry, Joan Baez fans) that I did not like her warbling of the song, but I loved the song and the words. So, it was a grand relief when I found the real Band who knew how to do that song correctly. Robbie R. is a genius. He assembled a strange cast of musicians, some Native American, for his solo ventures. The drums on "Crazy River" add a surreal touch. I can't imagine what it would sound like Band-style. And, his Storyville album is brilliant. "Fallen Angel" is a touching tribute to Richard Manuel. And "Broken Arrow," which was covered by Rod Stewart, is a nice ballad. I have followed RR's career pretty closely, and consider him a modern-day Renaissance man who can do pretty much what he sets his mind to. "Carny" is a fascinating movie, also.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 05:32:34 CET 2000 from spider-tk024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.184)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

"Richard's policy was to raise a glass and say 'Spend it all!', and that's a pretty good policy when you think about it." Quoth the Hawk: "Well son, you won't make much money, but you'll get more pussy than Frank Sinatra."


Posted on Tue Jan 25 05:02:40 CET 2000 from dialup-274.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.18)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

OK folks!!!!! Let's talk about music here!!This whole argument about racism is very unfair to blind folks on this guestbook, blind people don't really know the difference between Black and White, now, do they??? Who's to say their are no blind folks diggin' this web-site in braille, somehow. Thing is, they can still HEAR The Band. Um, I seem to recall something written somewhere that went along the lines of "AND LISTEN TO THE BAND" Random thought: I think RR solo album in 1987 woulda been better if he got the Band to play on it with him.......although I've always loved "Somewhere Down the Crazy River"........Have you folks discussed this before?; 'cos if you have......I'll check out the 'ole archives there in the closet....... Another random thought: here's one for you all. How many of you heard the Joan Baez version of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"........before you heard The Bands?.......go on, tell the truth......Well, me for one.......What was/is RRs and/or Levons reaction to it.....these things I wonder about......Obviously it's a payday for RR.........I remember it being on an album called "Blessed Are"......Did she ever sing it with them anywhere, ever? Hey! How come Joan Baez, George Harrison and Pul McCartney were'nt at TLW? Did Paul even LIKE The Band? It's getting late here and I'm rambling........must sleep now.......goodnightmorning, folks.......


Posted on Tue Jan 25 04:40:11 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

From: NJ

All i can say is -- Thank God the fullmoon and lunar eclipse passed

I mean.., WOW.., some of these postings lately!


Posted on Tue Jan 25 04:11:09 CET 2000 from 1cust64.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.128.64)

Damon Z

From: Way Back In the 1960s

I sincerely hope that the more progressive musically open-minded BAND fans among us who also enjoy hip-hop/rap will be pleased when some protege of Puffy releases a single sampling the chorus of "The Weight" or "Cripple Creek" -- I for sure won't! (This has already been done with Joni's "Big Yellow Taxi" and more recently the Youngbloods' beautiful "Get Together.") Also, in light of yet another chat room closing I find the seeming GB rally in support of free speech and expression interesting. And as for claiming to not have noticed any black people at the many Band concerts I attended - maybe I just didn't look hard and long enough to be able to spot one. Then again if I were black I might be turned off by "Dixie" - not that I personally think the song should be offensive to African-Americans - I don't - but it's a touchy subject. (I cite the recent protest regarding the flying of the Confederate battle flag over the statehouse in North Carolina or wherever it was.) RE: The Hawkins debate I had both "Forty Days" and "Mary Lou" in my 45 collection and even recall seeing the Hawks lipsync on a local TV record hop show (thought they were absolute wildmen!) but in retrospect I have to admit that none of Ronnie's hits songs even come close to equalling something like Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode," Little Richard's "Good Golly Miss Molly" or Jerry Lee's "Great Balls of Fire" which are undeniable classic 50's rock'n'roll hit singles.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 01:08:26 CET 2000 from abdfa079.ipt.aol.com (171.223.160.121)

Johnny K

From: Connecticut

Love the site! Does anyone know where to find guitar songbooks/sheet music for the Band? Please let me know. Thanx. JK


Posted on Tue Jan 25 00:48:07 CET 2000 from spider-wd021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.156)

Sherry C.

From: Texas

I LOVE this place!


Posted on Tue Jan 25 00:43:13 CET 2000 from ppp143.a1-2.56k.execulink.com (209.239.9.209)

Paul Godfrey

John, you may enjoy this comment: London, Ontario broadcaster/writer Jim Chapman made a comment about the Hawk in his column last Saturday in the London Free Press. He said: "Ronnie Hawkins not make the big time? HE IS THE BIG TIME!" So endeth any discussion I might have in the future about Ronnie. I have too much respect for his place in music history and his friendship towards my family.


Posted on Tue Jan 25 00:42:45 CET 2000 from pm3-136.efn.org (206.163.180.136)

deb again

From: oregon

Hey, Hank in Ireland: I really enjoy your postings. HO HO HO! There, I said it too! In response to your question about what have I done to be proactive about Rick and The Band: Well, last weekend I went to Portland to hang out with a couple of friends. I took a copy of The Last Waltz. Played a couple of numbers for them and they both said in surprise "Oh, they're the ones who wrote that song" ("The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "The Weight"). Also played Rick singing "It Makes No Difference". During that particular song everyone in the room stopped chatting and sat enraptured, watching Rick sing this song that he sang with such soul. No comments, just a kind of rapt silence. That number seems to have quite an effect on people. And, Hank, come on over to my home town any time if the spirit move ya'! And bring your fiddle!


Posted on Tue Jan 25 00:30:47 CET 2000 from pm3-136.efn.org (206.163.180.136)

deb

From: oregon territory

I do love these lively discussions.

On rock and censorship: There is a group (I'm sorry I don't have the website info at my fingertips right now) a friend of mine is working with, called Rock Against Censorship. Now, while I don't agree with people spewing derogatory or racist remarks in the music (or any) venue, I would have to say I respect their right to expression (as long as they are not directly hurting anyone). Now, name calling could certainly hurt individuals or groups of people, and I don't condone that. This might sound contradictory, but as someone who works in media mainy because I support our right to free speech, access to information, and individual and/ or collective expression as explained in the 1st amendment, I will support a person's right to express themselves as they see fit. The alternative is to have a select group of people sit as censors for the masses, and there are great dangers in letting that happen. Don't most people want the right to choose, on an individual basis, the material (books, music, television, movies), they experience. Do you want someone else to decide what you can and can't view. I sure as heck don't. And, I don't want to decide what people can and can't see or hear. Censorship in most form is wrong. Think back to historical reports of the Nazi book burnings, 1950s record smashings, and other propagandist events designed to control the information we as a public have access to. The right to free expression is necessary for the sanity of the world as a collective and for us as individuals.

Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. So, learn to think for yourselves and make your own decisions on what you and your children have access to and how you view it.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 23:35:34 CET 2000 from 76.philadelphia-13-14rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.213.76)

carmen

From: Where the mem are men and the women are too.

Forget about the Men -Vs- Women thing. I myself have always lived by the creed "different but equal" except when it comes to driving. (Just kidding)

Back to the BAND! Any news on the Rick Danko cd mentioned in the memorial brodcast as stated by per ryolf in his post?


Posted on Mon Jan 24 22:48:46 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-46-142.termserv.net (208.20.67.142)

Diamond Lil

Damon Z: Being a native Long Islander myself, I disagree with your assertion that there have been no black people at Band shows over the years. Have seen folks of all races at shows ( this includes the chinese man with the nasty sinus problem in Pawling :-) It always made me feel good to see so many different people enjoying the music.

And as to your comment about 'none of them' in this guestbook..um...how would you assume to know that? Just curious...

Guenevere: CONTRADICTION: Discrepancy of statements. Inconsistant. See: Guenevere.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 22:35:29 CET 2000 from stk-pm1-3-131.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.131)

Guenevere

Elliott: I never said I was defending Ronnie Hawkins entire life!!!! I responded to K.McFarland's post, "defending" Ronnie's right to not have to bootlick people that feel that Hawkins owes them for help they gave him in the beginning. That is my position, and its a shame you can't appreciate my reasoning. I'm surprised none of Hawkins' loyal fans picked up on that insult


Posted on Mon Jan 24 22:26:09 CET 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

From: New Zealand
Home page

This web-site is a very good resource. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I have only just recently found out about the Band since seeing the "Last Waltz" on tv. Of course I had heard their music before but I'd not made the connection. I had always assumed "the night they drove old Dixie down" was a traditional folk song! But, I am a convert now. I just got "the band" which I'm listening to now & I'm looking forward to acquiring the other albums too. I feel like a whole new world has opened to me & its great.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 22:14:28 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

A coupla unconnected thoughts/responses:

First, I get the feeling that some of us are middle-class and white, and for some reason assume that the rest of us must be too. Not good.

Second, on the question of who wrote "Hound Dog", I don't think things were exactly as stated earlier today. I can't recall the details, but I think the story involved Johnny Otis originally being co-credited with Leiber and Stoller, but that legalists somehow determined that that credit was undeserved. On the subject of the song, the first rock and roll treatment (though with somewhat different lyrics) was by Frank Motley and the Motley Crew in late '54. In '56 the group moved from Washington to Toronto. In Motley's own words, "Ronnie Hawkins and Joe King and us - we OWNED Yonge Street!". Sadly, Motley and most of the group have died, though singer Curley Bridges is still active and released an excellent blues CD last year.

Third, on the subject of Leadbelly, Amos Garrett's first recording - as far as I know - was a version of "Keep Your Hands Off Her" with the Fernwood Trio in '62 or '63.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 21:47:08 CET 2000 from ts3-4t-72.tor.idirect.com (209.161.225.200)

Elliott

From: Toronto

Lord love ya Guenevere if in your mind you were "defending" Rompin' Ronnie in your original message. Talk about historical revisionism! Now you're changing your personal history from as far back as yesterday! "All I want is the truth!"


Posted on Mon Jan 24 21:28:10 CET 2000 from du-tele3-087.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.87)

Peter Viney

Harry Belafonte? Never ever thought his name would crop up here. But while we’re on the subject, does anyone know his 1988 album “Paradise in Gazankulu”? You should. This Graceland-influenced album contains a sublime duet with Jennifer Warnes called “Skin to Skin” which would be among my all-time greats. A very sexy, but not sexist, song. File with Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush on “Don’t Give Up.”

First thing is, Guenivere started a very well-argued and vibrant discussion, which is great, and it didn’t cause a South Park incident (war between USA and Canada) … yet. I have a feeling that we’re not talking about the lyrics of “Mary Lou” or other rock songs so much as the image that “Ronnie Hawkins” (the performer) projected, “I wear a cobra snake for a necktie …”. Was the young Ronnie Hawkins “sexist”? Is the Pope Catholic? Sure. If you read any 60s, 70s interviews with RH he was extremely funny, but without doubt non-politically correct and sexist. Elvis was extremely sexist, too. I remember reading bits of RH’s 1969 Rolling Stone interview aloud in mixed company, and even way back then the general opinion from the women present was that his image (which does not necessarily mean him of course) defined the word “male chauvinist”. I can see why a woman reading back on Hawkins’ comments and general “banter” in cold print nowadays would think of him in a negative light, though it always read to me as if he was partly role-playing this larger than life character to entertain those present. I think interviewers have pointed out that they felt they were experiencing a performance. It was all done with a great sense of humour, and I wouldn’t ever class Ronnie Hawkins with people like Jagger, who I think portray genuine mysogony in both lyrics and lifestyle.

The RS interview was thirty years ago, and people change. Pete Shaw mentions John Lennon’s approval. John Lennon might have spent his final years as a house-husband, but read Cynthia Lennon’s account of their marriage and he’d appear as the ultimate male chauvinist.

Ronnie Hawkins was recording in 1958 onwards. What were anyone else’s PC credentials at that time? It’s OK with hindsight to say a person’s image was sexist, but a different mentality existed. You could say the same about ANY performer of the period, from Little Richard to Cliff Richard. I think the diminishing of that mentality is a positive thing, but in 1958 or 1960 the world was different. John Donabie pointed out how he’d never give a jokey introduction to “California Girls” nowadays - but last time I saw The Beach Boys, not that long ago either, they had a line of girls… or rather women … in bikinis dance onto the stage. Hawkins covered songs, he generally didn’t write them, in spite of Roulette’s credits. “Mary Lou” was, I think, by Young Jesse originally, and the lyrics seem no more or less offensive than anything else from the era. Most of “rock” music, whether by males or females, comes down to gender relationships. Which is why it’s called “rock” music. Look up the origins.

You really can’t equate him with gangsta rap. I don’t think his songs ever suggested slapping anyone up, strangling them, or otherwise abusing them. The form of Rap music doesn’t necessitate violent attitudes. “bitch” is an abusive word, but I’ve seen bluesmen refer to themselves with the most unpleasant “N” word. In doing so, I always assumed they were denying the power of mere words over them. And “Subterranean Homesick Blues” might have been the first rap song. Levon sang “I like rap music and hip hop clothes” on “High on The Hog” after all. Finally, if Hawkins is so “unknown” where would these rappers have heard of him? I doubt if there are many samples from “Mary Lou” in use. Mind you, a sensible sampler could take some nice bits from ‘Who Do You love’?


Posted on Mon Jan 24 21:22:31 CET 2000 from 1cust252.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.252)

Damon Z

From: Long Island

I've gone to many Band concerts from the '60s thru the '90s and for all their apparent influences and appreciation of black music I don't recall ever having seen even one black person in the audience. Any ideas as to why? BTW I don't notice any in the chat or GB on this website either.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 20:51:54 CET 2000 from ppp16658.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.137.18)

Mike Nomad

From: Moonbeam, Ont.

Thnx, Lil and Ghost Rider, for replies. Muchly appcd.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 20:40:07 CET 2000 from sbsdwww.sburl.k12.vt.us (209.91.14.14)

Bob Peterson

From: Burlington, Vermont

Hank--you are so right. We need to celebrate life. We need to pay tribute to the Rickster in as many ways as we can. Life can be so negative and I come to this sight every single day for a dash of good news, for the word of Levon's health or a concert or sometimes just a trickle of information from people out there who love this big gig called life. Are there any fans in Vermont who care to celebrate Rick's life by drinking wine and playing tunes and sharing memories? We do need to be pro-active in our celebrations and I am thankful for you pointing that out Hank. Good day. Bob


Posted on Mon Jan 24 20:25:51 CET 2000 from trt-on70-36.netcom.ca (216.123.108.164)

John Donabie

Guenevere: I don't think you will start a war between Canada & the U.S. After all Ronnie is still an American. Your comments about Ronnie don't concern me in the least. I don't think the Hawk would disagree with you too much. He's the first to say that he never made it to the "big time."

My only problem with your initial post is trying to re-write history. It just can't be done. I heard that when the follow up to "Gone With The Wind" was written that the author wanted to leave the "N" word out of it. It's an ugly disgusting word; but one that was used during that period of time and sadly continues to be used today by some. Guenevere, you can't change history. Another example would be the "novelty song, They're Coming To Take Me Away Ha Ha." Words used like...there taking me away to the "funny farm". As a disc jockey I remember the long intro to California Girls. We would talk about the weather...bikin's and we would "hit the post" by talking about our beautiful Toronto girls. I could not do that today. That was then and now is now. Nobody's saying that certain words were "correct" to use in those days.....it's just that........that's the way it was.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 19:53:26 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

guinevere, the problem is you DID open the issue of sexism and racism in this "limited forum." If responding in kind and framing the debate at its appropriately larger level makes me pompous, so be it.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 19:47:50 CET 2000 from stk-pm1-3-131.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.131)

Guenevere

From: here...

I'm afraid I may have finally started a war between Canada and the United States ...

To Everyone: Try not to take what I said too far out of context please. I meant no ill will toward Hawkins fans at all and actually, I rather like the guy!!! If you go back to my original post, you'll find that I was initially defending Hawkins, in my inimitable way, to K.McFarland who seems to think that for some reason artists like Ronnie Hawkins should be eternally beholden to the station programmers, independent promo people, and other figures ... WHEN IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND... so, don't completely misunderstand me, I WAS using Hawkins' less-than-stellar, yet truly generous career, to make a point to K.McFarland, (not to the fray). I am also happy to know that I'm wrong, and that he did in fact play The Bottom Line after all!!!

However, I'm not sorry if I made people think and express themselves about a topics they have passion about, how often does Ronnie Hawkins become the center of attention anyway, I don't mind at all if what I say serves to rally support for him by his fans... so be it. Maybe he should be nominated to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame after all. It would be an excellent idea, since so many of you seem to feel that's where he belongs.

Pat B. and Mattk- I grew up as a lower middle class kid, in an area NOW known, as South Central L.A. and I know the difference between painting black music with broad brush strokes and blatant sexism. Sexism, like racism is ugly, no matter what form it takes, but I would never be so pompous as to try debate sexism and racism and their impact on society in this limited forum, (there are many excellent books on the subject tho and I appreciate your thoughtful comments.) Alas, don't put me in some category with the staunch male-hating feminists... fact is, Johnny Otis claims that Big Mama Thornton stole the writing credits to Hound Dog from him, and ‘gave' them to Leiber and Stoller, at least that's how the legend goes... the world isn't always fair, as we all know. I jus' call em as I see em... sorry!


Posted on Mon Jan 24 19:43:29 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

One of the reasons I like this site is many different performers get talked abou here. I'm always interested in listening to stuff that's "new" to me. Like blues artists. Someone mentioned Robert Johnson and I'd never really heard of him. I know, I've been living with my head in the sand. Can you (older more experienced – and I don't mean that in a bad way) GB's give me some other names of artists that are worth a listen. I may not like them all, but I'm looking to broader my horizons so to speak. Thanks


Posted on Mon Jan 24 19:41:45 CET 2000 from dialup-112.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.112)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Enuff about The Hawk already!!!!! Did any of you guys see Mojo magazines obit on Rick by Barney Hoskyns? Coulda been better, I felt.......nice big article on the late Doug Sahm, tho.........I dunno ,it seems everyone around The Band and the musos that played with Rick are kinda ashamed of the way it went down........because it was soooo sad, no one wants to celebrate his life and music,........ c'mon folks, I wanna see these pages FILLED with commeration events for Rick........stop bitchin' (Ho!Ho!.........oops! can I write or say "Ho" on this page?......) about The Hawk!! I wanna know you guys 'n' gals are being pro-active about Rick and The Band......It's only another end of the begininng......y'all beter git beginning or Ah'm gonna come to yer Hometowns and do it!!!!!!! (Actually, I might do that anyway...........) STAND UP AND TESTIFY!!!!!!!!!


Posted on Mon Jan 24 19:17:42 CET 2000 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

Slight change of direction. One of my greatest musical influences would have to be Leadbelly...King of the 12 string. His music moved me to purchase my first 12 string guitar in 1964. The Rolling Stones did a song on the Aftermath lp called: "High & Dry" which to my ear is "pure Leadbelly". Love my old g45-12 string and occasionally strum one of his songs. Probably his most popular was "Irene Goodnight." Have never mastered his music but certainly enjoy some of the passages that even influenced the Band.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 19:14:15 CET 2000 from spider-wi061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.46)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa

Dear Danielle, Please check your e-mail and contact me as soon as you can regarding the content of my letter. If anyone reading this post has a way of contacting Danielle please do -- and let her know that the matter is urgent. Thank you.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 19:01:52 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int01.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.67)

Bones

From: CT

Just a reminder....Ronnie is a Canadian Hall of Famer who has had the large support of Dylan, the Band, and John Lennon to name a few (not to mention a couple of guys named Lewis and Perkins who played at his birthday party). Although he didn't have many hit records, there will always be a special place in the history of music for Ronnie Hawkins.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 18:53:15 CET 2000 from spider-wo074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.54)

Ghost Rider

From: In Your Yard

Mike Nomad:

Re: your question about Rick's Bearsville memorial service.

Robbie's remarks were given in the context of a note to an old friend, and weren't a eulogy, per se. Aaron (Professor Louie) Hurwitz also spoke at the memorial service, and during his comments he mentioned that he had delivered the eulogy earlier that day at the service held privately for invited family and friends. Others who spoke at the memorial service were Happy Traum, John Simon , Jules Shear, Tom Moretti, Vince Martin, and Tom Pacheco.

On an otherwise gloomy day, it was nice to meet Jan Hoiberg (our under-appreciated host here in the Guestbook) and the inimitable Diamond Lil. My best to both of you.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 18:49:11 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-05-101.termserv.net (208.20.67.101)

Diamond Lil

John Donabie: (My day off too..no life here today either :-) After reading all the new posts, the one thing that hit me was your comment about keeping an 'open mind'. That's probably the single-most avenue to peace. You don't have to agree with someone else's opinion but should always try to respect it. Some of the best discussions in this forum have been over differences of opinion, and when stated nicely and intelligently, you can't help but keep an open mind and think. Individuality is what makes people interesting. Imagine what a sad, boring world this would be if everyone agreed on everything.

And btw..being a woman who does _not_ believe that women can and should do _everything_ men can do, it's my opinion that any man who refers to a woman as a "bitch" is not worth the breath it would take me to tell him off. And the 'excuse' of putting that sentiment to "music" leaves me cold. Thanks for listening.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 18:37:59 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Regarding Peter Shaw's comments...amen. It's far too easy for a bunch of white people to preach to people of color about what should or should not be in their music or in their lyrics--it's an age old, and ultimately racist practice that dates back to the era of "race records" and parents worrying about Louis Armstrong's "jungle rhythms" on the "soul of America's youth."

I saw Bell Hooks speak recently, and someone asked her what she thought (as an African American woman) about Lil' Kim. For those not in the know, Lil' Kim is a female rapper who embraces an image of sexual objectification put forth by a number of so-called "gangsta rappers." Obviously, Lil' Kim is promoting a stereotype African American women that I think most folks find offensive.

Anyway, someone asked Bell Hooks what she thought, and she said that at first she wanted to basically "smack some sense" into the "girl." Laughing, however, she pointed out that Lil Kim is a product of a larger problem. That educating her on the importance of how she portray's herself is important, but that Lil Kim also serves a purpose by making us uncomfortable and not allowing us to ignore the larger issues of race/economic fairness in the US.

While I may be personally bothered by artists like Dr. Dre or Snoop Dog, or Ice Cube or even Ice-T when they objectify women as bitches or whores or money-grubbers, I also recognize that what they paint is a reflection of attitudes found in South Central Los Angeles or other impovershed communities (regardless of race). I also recognize that such attitudes are more prevelent in middle or upper class societies (regardless of race) and that our air of supremacy smacks of elitism, classism and racism which serves no one and fixes nothing. Want to change the music? Change the environment that produces it. Anything else is, quite literally and figuratively whitewashing the problem.

matt


Posted on Mon Jan 24 18:31:54 CET 2000 from gw33.telekomus.com (206.2.196.66)

Band Thought

From: New York

Just a few comments on Ronnie Hawkins. First, he did headline The Bottom Line just a few years back - even had Rick's brother Terry on bass. Second, I would have to guess that not many people that visit this site have had the good fortune to see Ronnie perform live other than of the taped variety from The Last Waltz. I can tell you that, while his The Last Waltz performance rightly deferred to The Band's musicianship ("burn, Robbie, burn," "take it easy Garth don't ya give me no lip"), Ronnie's own stage/ headline show really shows off what a great leader, showman, comedian and singer he really is. He is one of the few that will bring a smile to your face just seeing him on stage; you can just tell that he loves what he does as he bounces from side-to-side - his backing band clad in matching suits.

Ronnie's an original, a real professional from the old school, a terrific entertainer. Bottom line, he deserves a great deal of credit for whipping The Band into playing shape - so much so that Bob Dylan put his trust in them for that historic ride.

Ronnie was to The Band what all those gigs in Hamburg represented to The Beatles. When both group's first surfaced for public view, you just had to wonder where they came from. John


Posted on Mon Jan 24 18:20:55 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

I'd say the majority of people that write in this guestbook are fairly opened minded, especially when it comes to censorship. I hope anyway, regardless of their age. There seems to be a lot of DJ's and "artists" here and those career choices really don't adhere well to censorship. I personally am not one for censorship, that doesn't mean that things don't offend me, but I just advert my eyes so to speak. There's always a choice to not watch, listen or read something you find offensive. But demanding it be removed from society all together isn't the answer. I'm from the younger generation of Band lovers (as has been put here). And I like many different kinds of music. From the Band to Marilyn Manson. Now I'm not a big Manson fan, I will never go to his concerts etc and I know he upsets many people. But for some reason Alice Cooper gives me the "willies" far more than Manson ever could. So there were "freaks" in music 20 years ago, so I don't find him "new" and frightening. I don't listen to Rap though, just not my thing. But I don't begrudge anyone who does. I love differences of opinion, it's what makes the world great, and this site great too. Now I'm not saying that I don't get closed minded at times. It happens to everyone. My husband likes to bring this up in regards to Pink Floyd. He always loved them, I didn't. And I hadn't really ever listened to their music to get this opinion (just close minded). So when they last toured he wanted to go, not me, I'm not going to see that crap. Well since then I started listening and I really like them now, and can kick myself to not going to that concert. That's life - one BIG learning curve.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 18:21:56 CET 2000 from sbsdwww.sburl.k12.vt.us (209.91.14.14)

Bad Bob

From: Burlington, Vermont

Does anyone have a cobra snake? I'd like to use it for a necktie. Thank you, kindly. Bad Bob


Posted on Mon Jan 24 18:12:56 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Guinivere, are you asking or telling me what I think? I'll be nice and assume you are asking... Do I think it's "appropriate" for rappers to refer to all women as bitches? Well, not sure how you define "appropriate," but I would say that using that word to define all women is a very poor message and something I don't tolerate from my friends. I choose not to listen to so-called "gangsta" rappers for a number of reasons (mostly because, just like C&W music, the style doesn't "do it" for me), which includes the manner in which women are often portrayed.

However, let's move away from politically convenient style of music to something a bit less "threatening." Are you saying, then, that you disapprove of such great blues songs as "Mannish Boy," "Backdoor Man," "Wang Dang Doodle," "That Will Never Do," "In the Pines?" What about songs like "Hound Dog," "Money (that's what I want)," "Rock Me Baby," which all objectify the opposite sex in one form or the other, and all of which have notable versions (in the case of Hound Dog, the original version) recorded by a woman? And what about The Band itself? "Rag Mama Rag," "Jemimah Surrender," even "Cripple Creek" all feature portrayals of women that may be objectionable...burned your "Brown" album lately?

Now, if you are asking about my opinion of rap, specifically, I'll tell you that I think rap is the most powerful and relevent musical style to debut since Rock and Roll emerged from R/B back in the 50s. Interestingly, you seem to have issues with both styles, but I'll refrain from conjecture as to the reason.

Personally, I like rap, particularly the more social/political oriented groups like Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions, and I thought the first NWA album was brilliant. I also enjoy some of the more "jazzy" performers like De La Soul, PM Dawn, etc. To paint all rappers with such a broad stroke is pretty unsound and does little to promote the understanding I assume you are advocating.

I don't pretend to know you, Guinevere, and I know you don't know me from Adam (or Eve, for that matter). To state that I "must" have any opinion regarding women in music or how they should be treated is unfair and unreasonable. Next time, please ask me what I think, don't tell me.

Matt


Posted on Mon Jan 24 17:22:20 CET 2000 from pm3-047.efn.org (206.163.180.47)

deb

From: oregon territory

Hey, Guen, I think you might be surprised just how many people know who Ronnie Hawkins is. A story: last week I received a copy of the Canadian show about Ronnie from a kind man in London, Ontario. I took the show over to my Dad's (80 years old). A friend was there (57 years old). Not only did they know who he was, but they wouldn't let me stop the tape until the show was over. I was just planning on showing them a bit, but they were glued to the entire show. Music knows no boundaries and can bridge generation gaps, gender gaps, and cultural gaps. So what if it's not all "PC." Just because I listen to or look at or hear something, doesn't mean I am going to mold my mind to that philosophy. Vive la difference! (P.S. I deal in antiques, and some of the major collectors of black memorabilia are black people. We are talking about extremely racist collectibles depicting "Negroes" eating watermelons and saying things like "Yassuh, massuh, I's a comin'" It's all part of history and I think it's neat to be able to see WHERE we came from and HOW FAR we have progressed). I'm off my soapbox now.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 17:02:32 CET 2000 from cobalt.nextlink.net (206.129.70.172)

Mike

From: Work :(

Well said, John...as usual.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 16:51:13 CET 2000 from trt-on69-38.netcom.ca (216.123.108.38)

John Donabie

From: OK IT'S MY DAY OFF. DON'T HAVE A LIFE TODAY

Regarding those who knock rap music. I can tell you know that rap music is not my cup of tea. I generally don;t care for it. My son; however reminded this old music lover about the poetry of Bob Dylan I loved so much. He told me to stop complaining of the same old melody line and listen to the poetry of the lyrics of rap. He's right. I still don;t care for it as a whole; but there are some bright spots in there. I thank my son James for doing for me; what I tried to impart on him as a child.....to keep an open mind.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 16:41:06 CET 2000 from trt-on69-38.netcom.ca (216.123.108.38)

John Donabie

From: TORONTO

If I may, I'd like to comment on those who write in and are "shocked" to find people with a difference of "opinion here."

Levon was said of New York City..." when you go to NYC you get yourself an adult dose." Note the word "adult."

I know there are young Band fans and that is fantastic; but many here are either older, the same age, or a little younger than The Band members themselves. I believe we have reached a point in our lives when we can have a difference of opinion. Some get a little nasty with theirs; but this is still the INTERNET. I think people HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT; because it is like coming "home' when your on this site. The fact remains that this is an island on the INTERNET. You are dealing with people from all over the world with various personalities. This isn't the malt shop.

Perhaps, like the movies we should have value lists for sites. I can tell you that this site is no PG 13. If your looking for that, I believe The Hanson site still has openings. Don't be shocked when people have a difference of opinions. Their only words. Remembering "Sticks and Stones" from being a kid. It isn't always politically correct and sometimes people get rude. Sometimes people even get hurt. I'm not sure what "bubble" some people are living in; but it's no different on this site than in your own hometown. This is not a a safety island from reality. It's a site about THE BAND. Five (+) real people who have lived in the real world. Please join us and bring your own salve. Believe me....you'll heal quickly if you don't take yourself too seriously.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 16:11:58 CET 2000 from cox139ppp194.gr8brdg.net (209.96.139.194)

wood

whenever i come here, i am usually coming to a history lesson, given by long lost loved ones, who i never met... so many times i come to read, with the hope of chipping in my two cents, but usually turn the corner and mosey on my way, with my remaining (HA!) two or three brain cells happily saturated with the metaphors and gibberish i loved and love so much, but sadly, a long time ago, traded, in part, for the pittance from the company... still bored and foreign to the ogre encouraging our value to be found in an image based on another's opinion, i occasionally scrape together the pennies i hide in my underwear drawer, because there are just so few ways, anymore, to express my love for the days gone by, where the children played... occasionally, i meet up with an old memory, i find in you, to take away my lonely hurt... so there... i hope they are a shiny two pennies... love peace and hope to you


Posted on Mon Jan 24 15:48:42 CET 2000 from 209-130-200-111.nas2.mon.gblx.net (209.130.200.111)

Lars

From: Upstate NY

IIKKA: I was there in Hangtown to see Sundog off. I saw you there with your horse. Just wanted you to know that my friend and I weren't laughing at you. Or your horse. It's a long story about ducks and fly swatters, probably not politically correct to even mention it.

No hard feelings.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 15:48:28 CET 2000 from user-33qt94e.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.142)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

DISCUSSION...consideration of a question in an open and informal debate.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 15:21:32 CET 2000 from acay019125164.acay.com.au (203.19.125.164)

The Loved One

From: Tolerance-Ville

TOLERANCE.....The quality of allowing other people to have their own attitudes or beliefs,or, to behave in a particular way,even if you do not agree or approve.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 14:56:32 CET 2000 from lpcdept234.lib.depaul.edu (140.192.30.234)

Peter Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

I think my last post got lost. Anyways, political correctness is simply a way to control thought, and when someone controls your thoughts they control you. What is the crap about awful rap music? It is like any other art form, expressing a perspective on culture. Maybe a lot of these rappers refer to women as bitches because many women's rights groups are white, middle class folks who have little concern for any women who fall outside that sphere. Too bad too because I agree with the central tenet that men have placed women in unequal positions in society. Of course, if one actually listens to rap music instead of soundbites and what the media calls attention to, you will find that an extremely small percent refer to women as bitches. But open ears might require an open mind. Note: popularity does not equal influence. To deny Hawkins influence on rock music, like him or not, is to be ignorant. If popularity was the same as influence, we would be looking to the Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls, and New Kids on the Block to pave the way of music. Oh well, I guess when musicians mention the influence the old blues musicians had on them, guys who never played Woodstock less the Woodshed, they must by lying.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 14:35:24 CET 2000 from lpcdept234.lib.depaul.edu (140.192.30.234)

Peter Shaw

From: Chciago, IL

I think I recall some guy from the '60s generation knowing who Ronnie Hawkins was...oh yeah, it must have been some other washed up guy, John Lennon, who referred to him as the greatest. Of course, this just goes down the same road that popularity is equal to influence. Hence, we have among the most influential bands of all time: The Backstreet Boys, New Kids on the Block, and so on. Between remarks about Hawkins being anti-woman and classifying gangsta rap as referring to bitches all the time, we obfuscate the culture surrounding songs. A middle class white approach, whether one is part of that scene or not, does not speak for much of the country, much less the music produced in it. Political correctness, especially in art, is just another way of trying to control thought. And when someone controls your thoughts, they control you.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 14:22:38 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: the imperfect = real world

If political correctness should be our standard, well, why not dismiss all song lyrics, poetry, novels, short stories, movies, plays, fairy tales... why not abandon our entire past and brainwash ourselves...?

World - I'm warning you... you'd better be perfect...


Posted on Mon Jan 24 12:43:50 CET 2000 from edslink8.eds.com (199.228.142.8)

carmen

From: PA

What's next! The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down is the cause for civil unrest in the US between the races? This is unreal!


Posted on Mon Jan 24 10:00:54 CET 2000 from du21-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.21)

Ilkka The Kid

From: The Ballad of SUNDOG
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I left Hangtown soon after lynching. The sundown made the desert cobalt-blue as I headed down to Rabbit Springs. I turned around one last time and rode back to SUNDOG's gallows to see if the lines were still there. I had heard the sound of a knife against the wooden gallows or was it only the sound of sand between my teeth. I swear I saw them, written with a knife:

"Sorry if my face doesn't suit your fancy screen.
Sorry if I don't smile between the King and the Queen."

I heard two men laugh behind my horse, I heard the wind beginn to howl.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 09:23:51 CET 2000 from spider-wn033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.163)

Pacific46

From: SF

"Matilda" is a great song on many levels. On the same LP is "Man is Smart, Woman is Smarter" -- is that OK? I'm a very political female who learned to lighten up. Belafonte is so progressive in his thinking! Why don't you start with "The Roots of Rhythm" documentary he narrated on the development of AfroCuban music leading eventually to rock 'n' roll. There's so much to know in this world!


Posted on Mon Jan 24 05:30:24 CET 2000 from d217.as1.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.216.219)

MJD

From: Stevens Point Wisconsin

There is no political correctness in the blues or in rock & roll

these are real life stories, real emotions... good or bad.

God help us if pollitical correctness comes to the arts.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 05:25:45 CET 2000 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

MIke Nomad

From: Moonbeam, Ont.

A question to anyone who attended the Danko memorial in Bearsville, N.Y.: Who other than Robbie spoke during the event? Supplementary question: I'm assuming the eulogy, as such, was delivered by Robbie. Or did he simply speak extemporaneously? Was there a eulogy, as such, and who all contributed? Thnx for any help.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 04:57:51 CET 2000 from user-33qt88o.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.24)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

That last post, Guenevere, was laughable. "You aint nothing but a houndog..." Now who sang that originally? How many millions of blues tunes from the 20's through the 90's have the female singer bemoaning the worthlessness of their male mate? How many mountain tunes have the man (and woman) running off, comitting unspeakable crimes, engaging in generally worthless activity? And how many female gangsta rappers rip up their male counterparts? Is there a logical connection there? Have you listened to the words of "Long Black Veil"? Murder, deceit, adultery. Is Rick Danko responsible for the presence of such things in society? No, what my logic tells me is that misogyny is a thing unto itself, a decision a particular type of "artist" takes on to sell product. You have every right to blame Harry Belafonte and Ronnie Hawkins for the ills you perceive. But if you want to discuss the point with others who don't agree, bring something more to the table. And, please, this is not a flame. I would as soon discuss the issue. But accusing me and Matt of defending gangsta rap puts any discussion off on a bad foot.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 04:23:29 CET 2000 from ip203100.uvm.edu (132.198.203.100)

Bob Peterson

From: Burlington, Vermont

Hello everyone. I hate all this tension on this site and I refuse to involve myself with it. The only thing I will say is that The Hawk entertains me and I enjoy his music and his spunk and the energy that I wish I had at 24, at 41 or at 67. I had the fortune of meeting The Band in the fall of 1994 in Stratton, Vermont. They signed a glossy photo for me. Levon was shy but cordial, Rick was excited and friendly. I also met Rick and posed for a photo with him in 1998. I think Rick was a great person. I miss him every day. I listen to him every day. I just ordered "Bring it on Home", Volume I and II, which features Rick at a live folk concert playing Mystery Train and The Weight among a few other songs as well. I excitedly await their arrival. Saw Rick play in November and I crave his unreleased latest album. Does anybody have any bootlegs of The reuntited Band from the 90s? That is how I know them and I would like to have some of their recordings. Thank you, kindly. Bob Peterson


Posted on Mon Jan 24 04:08:04 CET 2000 from stk-pm1-29-157.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.157)

Guenevere

From: the hilltop...

Matt & Pat - I guess with your sense of logic it's okay for the gangsta rappers to refer to women as "bitches." I guess we have an irreconcilable difference of opinion here.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 03:55:47 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

Kerrilyn

Guen, your beef with Hawkins sounds pretty intense. Do you know the man personally? I don't think Ronnie really expected to hit your version of the "BIGTIME". He came to Canada after all, and then stayed. It doesn't take much time to realize we don't have "SUPERSTARS". Most bands leave Canada to make it big, they don't flock here in hopes of hitting a jackpot. Sad but true. Ronnie wasn't stupid he knew this too. I just don't think he cared. He enjoyed his fan base and playing, obviously, he's still doing it. And didn't he play for that guy named Clinton. You know the guy that oh what's her name....Streisand played for too. Hmmm BIGTIME. As for "Marylou" being sexist and contributing to rappers music, since Hawkins is a NOBODY I'm sure the rappers have never heard of him or his music, so you can rest safe there. I live in the area where Hawkins toured extensively and as for it being "NOWHand playing, obviously, he's still doing it. And didn't he play for that guy named Clinton. You know the guy that oh what's her name....Streisand played for too. Hmmm BIGTIME. As for "Marylou" being sexist and contributing to rappers music, since Hawkins is a NOBODY I'm sure the rappers have never heard of him or his music, so you can rest safe there. I live in the area where Hawkins toured extensively and as for it being "NOWHERE", I can say that it is actually SOMEWHERE. A nice place to live, pleasant and clean. I like it. And we have many Canadian bands that tour through here. I'm sure you've probably never heard of them, and maybe never will, but they are very talented just the same. They sell out concerts, get radio air play, and they don't have to be international SUPERSTARS for me to buy their CD's and enjoy listening them.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 03:39:36 CET 2000 from dialup-337.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.81)

HANK WEDEL

From: Cork City, Ireland
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Hi!! S'only me...........um, I'm kinda new here, as y'all know........Could someone tell me what on earth prompted this Ronnie Hawkins debate, please?......what did I miss?......All rock'n rollers worth their salt'n pepper know who "The Hawk" is.......on Dylans 1966 tour of Britain rockers in The UK were asking the guys in the Band about the Hawk.......Hawks a serious rock'n roller........who lives AND thrives in a world that seemingly does'nt need nor cares about grammies, Madison SQ. Garden or any of that other stuff I've been reading about here.........Thru out his career, the mans mouth and tongue get him into trouble.......(although I loved his comments about RR at a private preview of TLW in Levons book........)What did he say this time?.........


Posted on Mon Jan 24 03:16:07 CET 2000 from 98ad85b7.ipt.aol.com (152.173.133.183)

buttheadtinna

From: beevis

Pat, I never did any thing bad, and whom is the judge of our character ? a guestbook ? Thanks for the groovy link Pat!


Posted on Mon Jan 24 03:10:40 CET 2000 from 98ad85b7.ipt.aol.com (152.173.133.183)

DJ Girl

From: below zero
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Ok Guen, Thanks guys, I have been alone, as a DJ....[ female] in the R&R biz for a long -long time, longer than you'd think. I was 17 when I started, no abuse, actually had male " mentors" that showed me what to watch out for. By The way heterosexual sexuality, and sexual "tension"..... is the basis for all of Rock and Roll's greatest inspiration, where you take it after that... is up to you..... " The Twist" "Satisfaction " " The Weight" " Whole Lotta Shaikn Goin On" "Let's Stay Together" baaaa Play on, keep listening ..... DML


Posted on Mon Jan 24 00:43:21 CET 2000 from host27.pm4.laurel.us.net (198.240.94.27)

mattk

Well, if we're going to invalidate music which exercises sexual stereotyping or gender-based references, we're going to need an awful big eraser. Fact is, just because a song sings of a woman/man or of particular women/men, does not make it mysoginistic--to compare Magonlia to "me so horny" is insanity, but if someone chooses to exercise such silopstic thinking, that's ultimately their loss as their denying themselves some great art. Male/Female relationships is a universal and archetypal foil which streches back over the entirety of human experience.


Posted on Mon Jan 24 00:08:34 CET 2000 from ppp7518.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.191.6)

Richard Patterson

Guenevere: Influential to who? To you? To me?

Where are you? Where am I? Where are the rest of us?

You have very high standards for your definition of 'influential' (gigs at Ed Sullivan, Woodstock, M.S.G.,etc.). I don't think Robert Johnson ever made it to Carnegie Hall.

BTW: Just because Little Richard wasn't a womanizer doesn't mean he wasn't sexist (definition - "discrimination based on gender"). Oh yeah, and 'Stagger Lee' was one mean sexist dude. (Check out Nick Cave's version on 'Murder Ballads').


Posted on Sun Jan 23 23:35:33 CET 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Rod

Home page

Hello all,

I have added sound samples of my own versions of It Makes No Difference and Java Blues (both pretty close to the originals)to my website as a tribute to Rick. Pop by and have a listen some time.


Posted on Sun Jan 23 22:13:06 CET 2000 from user-33qt92r.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.91)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Guenevere, are you arguing that there shouldn't be any songs about "bad characters" for fear that someone might decide that since one woman or man is bad, all women or men are bad?


Posted on Sun Jan 23 22:08:05 CET 2000 from msx-arh-15-24.ppp.cybercity.dk (212.242.10.152)

Per Ryolf

From: Denmark

Hi. I have just been listening to the memorial broadcast from Radio Woodstock on the net. In the first of the two programmes Tom Pacheco mentions that Rick Danko completed recording a solo album with all new material just before he passed away. This is the only information I have of this and I was wondering, if anyone can come up with details as to record label, songs, sidemen et.al. Any information would be much appriciated P.S. Tom Pacheco played a song, co-written with Danko on the show. For that song alone, I look forward to the coming album. Per Ryolf


Posted on Sun Jan 23 22:07:47 CET 2000 from stk-pm1-9-137.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.137)

Guenevere

From: O'er the hill....

Paul: - Sorry, but being "influential" doesn't quite equate with being SOMEWHERE. Did Hawkins perform at the original Woodstock (or even the John & Yoko attended Canadian version in Toronto in 1970), did he have any hit albums, was he on the Ed Sullivan Show, is he in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, has he ever headlined at Madison Square Garden (or even the Bottom Line for that matter), has he ever even been to the west coast, and does anyone of the '60s Generation know who the Hell he is other than as a figure in the BAND's distant past? I think NOT! Gimme a break! Futhermore, I'll bet that most people who read the GB never even heard "Forty Days" and "Marylou." (And if you wanna talk about "influential" I think Little Richard would be at the very top of the list along with Carl Perkins - Hawkins might be somewhere down near the very bottom!!

John D: - I like your definition of "Censor" as it fits a lot of the "regular" GB posters (won't mention names - YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!) but as for Jerry Lee's "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On" and the other tunes you mention they're not painting women as "bad characters" like Hawkins' "Marylou" ("she took my watch and chain... she took my diamond ring...") a song similar in sentiment to Harry Belefonte's sexist 50s hit "Matilda" ("she take me money and run Venezuela"). These two songs are probably responsible for today's rap crap which refers to women repeatedly as "bitches."


Posted on Sun Jan 23 20:28:12 CET 2000 from trt-on54-56.netcom.ca (216.123.99.184)

John D

Paul Godfrey. What an eloquent piece on The Hawk. It's a great summary.

Guenevere, I honour your opinion; but where did all the anger come from against Hawkins. As for anti-feminist songs...I guess there never would have been a "Whole Lot of Shakin' Goin' On" by Jerry Lee Lewis if you had your way. I consider myself, a feminist; but I have a problem with people who want to censor time periods that historically happened.

To Censor: faultfinder, restrictionist, hush up, suppress.

What does that make the diva of R&B Ms. Etta James? She recorded "Roll With Me Henry....aka Dance With me Henry." "Good Rockin' Daddy?" "Be My Lovey Dovey?" I don't like Politically Correct. I'd rather live under a manhole cover....oops that should be personhole cover.


Posted on Sun Jan 23 18:24:02 CET 2000 from sarc3a152.snip.net (209.204.90.152)

Chris D.

From: South Jersey

This old Jersey boy is definitely driving up to Joyous Lake the first Wednesday in Feb.(weather permitting and the happenings are still happening). I'd just be real appreciative if someone here could recommend a place close to the show where I can lay my head once my toes stop tappin, Hotel, Motel,Abandoned building, cave,whatever. I do like to drink a few and not have to drive. Please help!! Thanks.


Posted on Sun Jan 23 17:52:08 CET 2000 from ppp77.a1-2.56k.execulink.com (209.239.1.205)

Paul Godfrey

Guenevere....other than possibly the Last Waltz, have you ever seen Ronnie Hawkins as a performer? Do you have any idea how many sold out concerts he had while travelling through Europe in the 80's? Do you know why Bob Dylan chose Ronnie to play him in his movie? Why would Bob Dylan drop in on the Hawk at his night club in Toronto? (see the photo on this site with the Hawk, Dylan and John Donabie. Have you considered that Michael Cimino gave him a good part in Heaven's Gate? Do you realize how many singers and musicians he has influenced and helped over the years? Why would the Band put Ronnie up front to start TLW if they did not appreciate him in Days Gone By?

Have you ever spoken personally with Ronnie Hawkins? Why would Bob Seger record "Marylou" if he thought it was anti-feminist? How is it that when Ronnie introduced himself to one of the highest profile women in this country by saying: "oh darlin...you have a face sweeter than an angels arse!" She replied: "Oh Ronnie I love it when you talk dirty!" Why would The Band, Carl Perkins and Jerry Lee Lewis grace a stage with him to celebrate his 60th birthday? Why would John Lennon seek him out and promote him round the world? How is it that Kris Kristofferson is such a good friend and even wrote the liner notes for one of his album covers? Why do the Canadian farmers love him for his part in the recent coast to coast CBC television special when he said it was not to be called "The Farm Aid Special" but differentiated by calling it the "Family Farm Tribute?" How is it that so many black artists hold him in reverance for playing with a black band in the 50's in the south?

Honest questions all. You might find the answers enlightening.

Shine On Girl!


Posted on Sun Jan 23 15:36:34 CET 2000 from stk-pm1-44-172.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.172)

Guenevere

From: O'er the hill...

Maybe Ronnie Hawkins doesn't remember the people who got him where he is today because he is NOWHERE. Hawkins has been a "hasbeen" since the late fifties when he scored with two top twenty hits in the US - "Forty Days" and "Marylou" the later being a blatant "woman bashing song" before the women's rights movement made such things politically incorrect! And that was it! If his backup group hadn't met up with Bob Dylan, evolved into THE BAND and hadn't invited him to perform at TLW practically no one would even know (or care) who he is - though that's pretty true anyway.


Posted on Sun Jan 23 14:52:03 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73026.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.25)

Richard Patterson

Pat B: Thanks for the cool link, those photos are great. Check it out folks!

BTW: That Miller quote should read "_generally_ course, even puerile" - He wasn't being genial.


Posted on Sun Jan 23 06:19:46 CET 2000 from user-33qt8t2.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.162)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Who says liking Procol Harum doesn't pay off. Everyone here absolutely must check this page out: http://www.iowrock.demon.co.uk/archive/iow_archive_wootton.html


Posted on Sun Jan 23 05:58:06 CET 2000 from user-33qt8t2.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.162)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

RP, funny indeed. How better could you describe The Band's music but with the phrase, "the subtle creativity and seasoned craftmanship that is the glory of such other mature vernacular pop music genres as jazz and the blues, country and gospel." Of course, Shelby Foote said the only reason you become a college prof is to have sex with coeds, something I'm sure rock critics probably dream about. Naturally, I except all the fine college profs and critics who frequent the GB. "James," huh. Man, that increases the respect.


Posted on Sun Jan 23 05:07:19 CET 2000 from proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.33)

Bob Wyman

From: Colorado
Home page

Hi all...After Rick's passing I wrote on these pages of the time my wife and I hung out all night with Rick (Oct25-26,'93). We played guitar and talked. Near dawn we went to his hotel and hung with Eric Anderson and passed the guitar and bottle around and I took that opportunity to play my originals for these two guys. They said they really liked my stuff, anyway I have had only a modicum of success with my music but on Monday one of my songs will debut on the internet. If you are interested in hearing it the details are on my home page. Also this coming week I will scan in a photo or two of Rick and I during that night. I will let the guestbook know when or keep checking my site. Thanks everyone, Peace Bob


Posted on Sun Jan 23 03:28:22 CET 2000 from ppp7545.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.191.33)

Richard Patterson

Pat Brennan.: There's an absolutely scathing review of Jim Miller's latest book 'Flowers in the Dustbin' in the Village Voice dated Sept 15 by Robert Christgau, who _trashes_ it. (Jim prefers "James" Miller, since becoming a poli-sci professor). In the review, titled "Wrigleys in the Trashcan" and subtitled "James Miller tries to control what he no longer loves" Christgau says, "too often its (the book's) dry tone comes out cynical and belittling. While Miller asserts his affection for the music, he rarely explains it and seems unwilling or unable to express it-"

Interesting too because Christgau holds up the example of Robert Palmer's 'Rock and Roll - An Unruly History' as being the ultimate rock 'n roll text book.

Miller on rock music: "Without an air of ingenious freshness and earnest effort, rock as a musical form is geneally course, even puerile - full of sound and fury perhaps, but characteristically spurning the subtle creativity and seasoned craftmanship that is the glory of such other mature vernacular pop music genres as jazz and the blues, country and gospel."

The book's chronology ends abruptly in 1977 with the Sex Pistols and Dead Elvis. I think by the time of his "Last Waltz" review he had already quit listening.

Pretty funny to see critics cut each other up though.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 23:43:06 CET 2000 from stud56.hih.no (158.39.82.75)

ed

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happy new year!!!!!! ed


Posted on Sat Jan 22 22:15:13 CET 2000 from user-33qt9d2.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.162)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Recently I pulled the two Rolling Stone article about the Last Waltz: the first covering the event, and the second covering the release of the movie. Interesting. The event coverage is great. Tons of pictures (I mean tons) and mention of practically every song performed. Annie Leibovitz and Greil Marcus respectively. Marcus groused about the $25 ticket price with an inordinate ammount of ink, but generally the review was duly positive. Cut to two years later. The movie comes out, and Rolling Stone includes three pieces: one on the movie ("A Concert Becomes a Legend"), one on the Band "As Young Hawks" by the wonderful Robert Palmer, and a review of the accompanying album. The review, by Jim Miller, absolutely rips the album--"a glittering but empty rite of passage" and an attempt at some Thomas Hart Benton graphic makes Garth look like he weighs a million pounds. Miller also pisses on the Band's productivity, "only" five albums of original material in eight years. Besides revealing himself as a moron, Miller also represents the attitude change between '76 and '78 that reflected the roiling musical tides. I'd love to sit with Miller and play successively Big Pink, the Brown Album, then Never Mind the Bullocks/Sex Pistols. Bullocks, indeed, dude.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 21:29:30 CET 2000 from lon-on4-93.netcom.ca (209.146.137.93)

K.McFarland

From: London

Ronnie, you really ought to remember those who gave you your start here in Canada. I have recently seen you on a few interviews, and was dissapointed to hear that you have forgotten those who helped you get where you are. Think back to your London days, about 40 years ago. Remember who your promoter was? And the person who gave you the air time you needed to get started? You should be thanking your lucky stars you are where you are, and that includes thanking people who got you going.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 21:20:38 CET 2000 from 45.philadelphia-10-15rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.247.45)

carmen

From: pa

D Lil, I sure do know about the Wednesday night shows and wish I could attend. The problem is I got to work on Thursdays. I was thinking more along the lines of a weekend show and making it a long weekend with the wife.

So if you got some inside pull, I am sure many of us would be able to get on that endless highway up to NY.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 19:17:29 CET 2000 from proxy-343.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.43)

Scott

Any interest in calling The Joyous Lake to ask them to allow Levon to play during the weekend ? Sure would make it easier to attend !!!! I tried calling several times during the past week, but was unable to get through. Any phone line trouble in Woodstock ? I'll keep trying....... Can we get past the pictures ? I don't think the family would be pleased....


Posted on Sat Jan 22 18:18:51 CET 2000 from pm3-139.efn.org (206.163.180.139)

deb

From: oregon

Van Morrison as Barney Rubble? Yeah, I can see it. I always thought of him as a cute wee leprechaun (met him once in 1968, got his autograph, and is he short but sweet). Such a powerhouse and a great huge voice. I was fortunate enough to be able to attend his concert in Eugene, Oregon, last year, with Bob Dylan (oops, I didn't attend the concert with Dylan, sometimes my fingers on the keyboard get ahead of my brain). Wonderful time!


Posted on Sat Jan 22 18:14:47 CET 2000 from dialup-209.246.108.2.newyork2.level3.net (209.246.108.2)

Mike

From: PA

First, let me say I've just come across this site and think it's fantastic - one of the best fan pages I've seen. It's always rewarding and somewhat vindicating to hear of so many people who feel the way you do. I'd like to bolster my Band collection with some unreleased material, specifically The Complete Last Waltz. Can anybody help me? CD's are preferred, but vinyl and tapes are ok. Thanks! erdos@earthlink.net


Posted on Sat Jan 22 18:10:48 CET 2000 from pm3-139.efn.org (206.163.180.139)

deb

From: oregon

And don't forget to do a video. I am checking on legal aspects and other red tape. I will also check and see if a local public access facility in your area would be able, interested, and could do a shoot of the show. If anyone has information on how to contact interested parties (musicians, record companies, managers, etc.), information would be helpful at this point. This weeky gathering sounds so exciting that it should be documented somehow!


Posted on Sat Jan 22 17:26:11 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas

I like the idea of a bunch of us getting together up in woodstock to see the fellas play and get to meet each other. maybe we can get together, a bunch of us and celebrate our favorite musicians in the spirit of fellowship in Woodstock this summer at joyous lake.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 16:38:45 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-30-222.termserv.net (208.20.67.189)

Diamond Lil

From: the deep freeze

Carmen: Something like that is indeed possible...and it's already happening...every Wednesday night at the Joyous Lake in Woodstock. Someone hasn't been paying attention :-)

Does anyone else get Barney Rubble flashbacks when Van Morrison takes the stage during TLW? Just curious...

Have a good day everyone..and stay WARM!


Posted on Sat Jan 22 16:03:51 CET 2000 from 155.philadelphia-16-17rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.214.155)

carmen

From: pa

I don't know about you folks, however, this cold weather has got me thinking of Spring. I think it would be a great idea for someone living in the Woodstock area to put together a sort of gathering revolving around a Levon/Barnburners show when the weather get warmer. This would be a great excuse for some of us to meet, see a show have a drink and good conversation.

D Lil is something like this possible?


Posted on Sat Jan 22 12:35:41 CET 2000 from dialup-098.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.98)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Howdy Folks!!! I'm really surprised at the level of passion on these here pages........but, I know it has something to do with the passion The Band put into their work over the years. I was saddened to read of Sundogs farewell. I can't help thinking he's over-reacting to some extent.........I mean, no one lives forever......but that does'nt mean people don't listen to Mozart, Hank Williams, Duke Ellington or Billie Holiday anymore. All of those folks probably looked pretty lousy when they kicked it........it's inevitable.......however, the passion remains......when all else is stripped away, the passion remains.........For years to come there will be folks coming along and ears to listen to Rick and Richard and The Band and they'll exclaim, "Wow!! Them wheels are on Fire!!!!!!..........." PS Does anyone have an address of any description for Red House records?


Posted on Sat Jan 22 11:42:22 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Wagtime

From: the complete genuine doghouse bootleg blues

My favourite Band song? Wag Mama Wag...

What Ilkka's dog means to me... Is it its humour? No, although it's the funniest quadruped in the guestbook... Is it its nose? No, although it sniffles preview button too much... Is it its noise? No, although it barks His Master's Noise... Is it its doghouse? No, although there's a lot of barking from Big Pink... Is it its looks? No, I never set eyes on it... Is it its existence? No, no proof given... Is it its boss? No, the boss has lost control of it... Is it its spirit? It's nothing of these alone, but if you put all parts together, the spirit's a mystery...

What? Lame? Yess, I confess...


Posted on Sat Jan 22 10:52:01 CET 2000 from du156-0.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.0.156)

Spirit of Ilkka's dog

From: The Doghouse Tapes

In spite of the bootlegs and cover versions, THE DOGHOUSE TAPES have always been more of a rumor than anything else. Cut live on a home tape recorder, this track has been remastered, highlights have been brought out, tones sharpened, tape hiss removed and so on. This track has never been bootlegged, not even rumored:

RAGTIME RAG

My heavenly doggy bag
I carry and my tail - I'll wag
And do some RAGT- RAGT RAGTIME RAG

Chorus: RAGT RAGT RAGT RAGT RAGT RAGT RAGT
Let's do some RAGT RAGT RAGTIME RAG


Posted on Sat Jan 22 07:44:50 CET 2000 from 1cust70.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.70)

Damon Z

Well, since we all love Rick and THE BAND I'll second or third or fourth that too! It is very true that we all make mistakes (though usually not the same exact one several times in a row in rapid succession over the course of less than a month). Too bad those photos didn't have some unfortunate accident at the processing lab - the images will unfortunately stay in my head for a long long time.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 07:08:20 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73064.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.63)

Richard Patterson

From: St Kitts

Sundog: Just playing on Beth's Elvis comment, was not directing anything at all towards you Tim.

BTW The Allman's were the hot ticket last year. Derek Trucks kicks ass like no other. Saw the Other Ones the year before and really enjoyed it. But I know what you mean. They are missing that central identifying voice (although "Dark Star" was pretty trippy).

RR: "It's not like it used to be"


Posted on Sat Jan 22 05:26:44 CET 2000 from ts1-16.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.16)

D.Smith

Amen Lil,Sundog all is forgiven we all make mistakes brother.I watched the 'Classic Album' Band episode the other night and found myself missing Richards soulful voice.It is intresting how revered his talent was both within and outside The Band.Levon saying that he knew The Band was special becouse no other band had a singer like Richard moved me greatly,not becouse of what he said but how he said it.I sure wish Richard hadn't left the party so early.Peace Doug


Posted on Sat Jan 22 05:10:20 CET 2000 from proxy-553.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.143)

mike

From: foster rhode island

just finished listening to the jubilation cd for the umpteenth time. can't help but think levon and rick knew this would be the last band recording. don't wait sure sounds like levons life story.book faded brown represents everthing the bands music stood for ie love of family,devotion etc. and i can't help but feel ricks pain in If I should fail.the whole cd seems to come full circle from white cadillac ode to ronnie hawkins and right through to the title song jubilation which seemed to represent a peace these gifted musicians found with themselves and the world.with rick and richard gone the true soul of the band is gone. log live the memories.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 04:36:35 CET 2000 from spider-wg022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.27)

Mike

I echo Lil's sentiments. Let's let The Band's music once again do what it has done so many times over the years. It's always been such a great healer.

Peace to all.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 02:56:12 CET 2000 from alb1-as5200-01-1.termserv.net (208.20.67.1)

Diamond Lil

Sundog: Of course you're forgiven. I don't think you ever meant to hurt anyone. Frankly, if Rick hadn't died, those photos would not even have been an issue. But he _did_ die..and that makes it very hard to see him that way....

Please know that you have friends here. Let's put this whole thing behind us and continue to share the memories and the music. Thanks.


Posted on Sat Jan 22 02:35:04 CET 2000 from 209-239-197-166.oak.jps.net (209.239.197.166)

Molly

Sundog: I know the pain that you are going through, and I'm sorry as well. I accept your apology and still feel grief. The memories of Rick and Richard singing the songs that we have heald on to, will stay with us, but they are gone. It's still hard for me to believe, but week after week, the pain slowly goes away. I hope that all of you here can think of positive things of the Band, and still listen to them, because the music lives forever in our lives, and will always stay with us until we die. I really hope this is helping some of you. If it isn't let me know, and I'll try to help in any way possible. Off the subject, but did anyone see the eclipse last night? It was gorgeous, and lasted for almost 2 hours. You all take care!


Posted on Sat Jan 22 02:15:43 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison Wi 4 below

Matt:) Thank you, you are a warm and understanding person, maybe you come from 'Touch by an Angel, those pictures and those monments were some of the best of my life, I'm not asking for glorifcation of the pictures, just honoring a wonderful man, and I'm not afraid of showing it.

But now that Rick and Richard are gone, it seems to me that The Band has no longer a voice, or songs to sing, kinda like going to see the ex members of The Grateful Dead ( The Other Ones), I go to their shows but the voice is gone, so is their magic, even when they play their old standards. I go because my family of Deadheads are there, and now The Band is gone, and I find myself coming here to find that same 'magic again, instead I get sh*ted on.

Richard P., you do understand what I'm saying, don't you? Sure, you can go see Levon, and Garth, and even Robbie, but it was *Rick and Richard* that sang all those beautiful songs through my junior high and high school daze. What I'm trying to say is this,,,I sorry to those of you that I hurt, and truly didn't mean to put salt in any cuts, thats not my intentions, please except, I'm sorry. As I grow older, I find that people change around you, like seeing a friend after 20 years, you knew them then, but not now. I knew The Band then,,,but their not The Band now, not without Rick and Richard. The Band had a chance with Rick, but now that hes gone, The Band doesn't have a chance, at least for me that is.

I'm stepping out now, please enjoy what you got left, cuz there is no more, just the music, goodbye...


Posted on Sat Jan 22 00:57:00 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73035.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.34)

Richard Patterson

From: St Kitts

"That's the Way It Is", but is that the way it has to be ?


Posted on Sat Jan 22 00:13:39 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Beth, my apologies. I'm admittedly not well versed on EAP's timeline. I seemed to recall seeing one of Elvis' final performances where it was clear he was completely breaking down, physically speaking, and I'd thought it was a Vegas show. I could easily be wrong.

And please, folks, lest someone takes offense, I'm not drawing comparisons between Elvis' rather pathetic demise in the john hopped up on pills with Rick's sad death. The point is merely that looking at both men in the weeks prior to their deaths, were looking alarmingly ill, and that those images do very little to provide comfort to their fans following their deaths.

no phlames please

matt


Posted on Fri Jan 21 23:50:47 CET 2000 from spider-wa011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.21)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

Mattk, just a little note here. Not to nit-pick, but Elvis is Vegas looks WONDERFUL. I am a firm believer that Elvis is the best looking human ever made. If you see That's the Way It Is, from Vegas, he looks like a Greek god. Yes, he faded the last few years, but it wasn't in Vegas. Now back to Band notes...... :) --Beth


Posted on Fri Jan 21 22:16:56 CET 2000 from ppp758.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.182)

Richard Patterson

From: St Catharines

Hey Franco, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Dawson Creek mile zero on the Alaska Highway? I spent a winter there one month (40 below, insane bars, and great people). You're about half way up the province of BC right?

Keep playing those Band tunes and pray for a shenook (spl?).


Posted on Fri Jan 21 22:05:06 CET 2000 from proxy.bacavalley.com (216.173.136.4)

William Parsons

From: Des Moines, New Mexico

I'm interested in the Band "Woodstock 94" show w/ Roger McGuinn on back-up. Please contact me if you know where I can get this CD. Thanks.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 21:46:08 CET 2000 from florida1.dos.state.fl.us (207.156.23.10)

Gerry York

From: Florida

I would appreciate hearing from anybody who know how I can obtain copies of the "Ophelia" and "Woodstock 1994" recordings -- or any other post-1983 recordings. Thanks! Gerry York Box 10714 Tallahassee Florida 323022714 USA


Posted on Fri Jan 21 21:22:20 CET 2000 from (142.27.170.202)

franko watchman

From: dawson Creek, b.c.

this site is very, very good and i like to look at the words and read them and look at them. also, the song clips are mighty good, eh. if anyone has any stuff they want to send me, music clips or info on boots or somethin, go right ahead. keep it up good, eh


Posted on Fri Jan 21 20:04:55 CET 2000 from spider-tq021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.51)

Ben Pike

From: Cleveland Tx

I got me one of them DVD set ups for Christmas and I can tell you that would be one great way to enjoy an expanded "Last Waltz." You could have the original film plus deleated scenes and lots of commentary. The "Don't Look Back" DVD lets you watch it with Pennybacker and Neuworth jawing throught the whole thing. It sounds annoying, but it's really pretty interesting and you can turn it off when you want to. I would like to see somebody post Ralph Gleason's original reveiw of "The Band" in this room as well.....


Posted on Fri Jan 21 19:36:27 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

I'm glad but fearful about Levon and Stephen Davis writing another chapter to the book. I had heard that Levon was upset that the book came off as bitter, which was a result of Davis putting all the anti-Robbie stuff in there. Hopefully, it will bring a pleasant conclusion with regard to Robbie.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 18:53:33 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Hank Wedel, the difference is that Rick doesn't look a bit under the weather. He looks like he's dying, which he was--the pictures were taken a few days before his death. From an historical perspective, the photos have value, but from the perspective of Rick's passing, they serve as a harsh reminder to some of how tragic Rick's death really was.

It's not as though we're looking at an aged Rick at the end of a long life. There is a certain morbidity, a la Elvis in Vegas, in the pictures, knowing now that we're looking at a man that should be in a hospital, who's health is failing fast, who in a few short days would sadly die far too soon.

As I've said before, I completely empathize with Tim's intent here. I don't think anyone believes he's being mean-spirited, and I think we all understand that seeing Rick that last time was an incredibly moving experience that helps him grieve in a healthy way. But, the fact is that grief is both a private and public thing, and while we turn outward for comfort, ultimately, dealing with the passing of someone you cared about is extremely personal. The problem is that in repeatedly posting or pointing folks to that link, Tim is not accomplishing what he intends to do, which is make people feel better. For many people here, it has the exact opposite effect.

So you are very correct that death is a part of life, and is shared by all in the end. However, there is a difference between facing death and watching someone in death. While Tim brings his warm experiences to the photos, those who were not part of the experience probably have no opportunity to appreciate the experience as they were not there. In the cold light of the non-participant, the photos don't remind many folks here of a warm experience, but of a tragic end.

matt


Posted on Fri Jan 21 16:43:08 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: the tennis court

Jan-Willem:

Are you "the" Jan Willem van den Akker of are you "just" Jan Willem van den Akker? :-)


Posted on Fri Jan 21 16:24:56 CET 2000 from 1cust169.tnt1.topeka.ks.da.uu.net (63.13.63.169)

Dexy

As an unabashed George fan, I too always wondered where he was when The Last Waltz was playing, and why The Band was not at Bangladesh. Along those lines, it would be interesting if anyone read or knew anything about what happened backstage at the Columbia Records tribute to Bob at Madison Square Garden in '93 (? -- I was there, but don't recall the exact date). Backstage was The Band, Dylan, Clapton, Harrison, Neil Young and many many others. Levon mentions it in his book, but no real info. George's interviews in The Official Video Bio suggests some kind of ongoing relationship -- there certainly was w/Ringo. Hey -- how about a new group with Garth on keys, Levon on mandolin/harp/guitar/drums, Ringo on drums, George on guitar/vocals.... Of course, they'd need a bassist who could sing and contribute some songs...


Posted on Fri Jan 21 15:40:23 CET 2000 from 208-51-156-179.nas2.mon.gblx.net (208.51.156.179)

Lars Pedersen

From: Upstate NY

For those of you with good snow tires and the need to hear some good music tonight, Joyous Lake in Woodstock (914-679- 0367) has former touring Band member Jimmy Eppard playing with his Retro Rockets. 10:00 PM on Fri, Jan 21st.

Hey Catbalu, what's the story on you? Come on back, Cat.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 15:20:51 CET 2000 from dialup-319.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.63)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Yo Folks!!!

Stanley Landau: OK, fair enuff point about RR and Jim Weider, but that's not what I'm driving at.......if you look at the dust jacket of Barney Hoskyns book, you'll read that George Harrison sez that The Band are "the greatest band in the history of the universe".....and because of things like that, I wonder why he was'nt at TLW. As I said previously, I'm one of these people who wonders about such things... and YOU folks here on these guest-pages seem to know loadsa stuff about The Band and TLW........I figured SOMEONE SOMEWHERE might have an inkling about it... I mean, y'know, was HE pissed off with THEM 'cos they had too much fun and smoked all his weed.....was George at some Formula 1 convention in Las Vegas or Bali, invite lost in the post or .......WHAT? It really does'nt matter and this kinda stuff and conjecture would probably piss George Harrison off IMMENSELY......and, let's face it, George is having a rough enuff time as it is right now.....between throat cancer and being stabbed.....Let's wish him all the best and Hare Krishna......also, don't ever underestimate him as an axemeister; as was already pointed out on these pages, his work on "Gimme some Truth" and "How do you sleep?" is pretty bitchin'........Regards to Bob Wigo, Peter Vinney, Richard Patterson and Ragtime also......

The Sundog Photo Controversy: Am I missing something here?......I clicked onto it and I saw a photo of Rick with three guys in a bar (I think).......so what if he looked a bit under the weather? If we live, we all grow old and die....from Britney Spears to Mike Tyson......from Madonna to Bette Davis and right on thru to Keith Richards.....(on that note, it should be pointed out that Rick looks better in Sundogs photos than Keef'n'Ron do in recent offical Stones publicity pix.......seriously....and I'm a huge Stones fan)................Am I missing something here? So what if Rick looks heavier or drunk or young and handsome or what?....If you click onto my web-site, you'll find a photo of Rick with me and Shane Scanlon, who plays lead guitar with my band, Open Kitchen. It was taken at The Bottom Line NYC 1996 and, to be honest, Rick don't look all that great in it, but listen , at our Tribute gig last Sunday, Shane reminded me of what happened that night in NYC.....Rick had put our names on the guest-list and after the show we went up to say hello. When it was obvious he had some post-gig business to attend to, we started to say our good-byes and Rick sez "No! No! you guys hang around...I wanna talk about Ireland with you guys!!!!" So we hung around and about 15 minutes later he came back and we talked for a while and did that photo....very cool......The problem with TLW is that it burns images into our brains and we all want Rick to look like the "too much fun sip the wine" guy in TLW......That's too bad .......As far as I'm concerned, after two minutes at any of his solo gigs, (that I saw, anyway), you KNEW it was the same cat....

There ya go, this guest-book is addictive, y'know, and I gotta go......I'm a two fingered typer and it takes a while!!.....Probably some of you are askin' "Why the hell did'nt Hank ask RICK why George Harrison was'nt at TLW?" As the man sez..it never did cross my mind.....AND, don't forget, he was askin' US about what WE were up to and we talked about songs and singers and music.....God Bless him......don't get TOO upset about Sundogs photos.......I'm sure there are pix of Sundog somewhere which are'nt too flattereing either........ as there are of all of us........

Damon Z: I lived in Floral Park, NY, until 1974 when my family moved to Ireland......I went to PS 191 until then.......how 'bout you?

Take care y'all............HANK


Posted on Fri Jan 21 14:52:48 CET 2000 from proxy-616.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.176)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

For my money Neil Diamonds greatest work ended with Beautiful Noise. Before that he was an excellent songwriter with great stories. Little wonder he caught RR's ear.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 14:42:13 CET 2000 from ht0234-2.dial.wxs.nl (195.121.160.234)

Jan-Willem van den Akker

The band changed my life in so many ways,i never heard a band play with so much skills before.Bob Dylan's album "before the flood" with The Band was the first time i "met" The Band.After The Last Waltz{the best rock document ever} i knew for sure I'm hooked with The Band.The lost of Rick Danko is the end of The Band,cause he was the center of The Band.The Band will always be in my vains,that's why there will never be a band like THE BAND.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 14:41:04 CET 2000 from dialin123.montreal.globalserve.net (209.167.12.123)

Kat Sermat

From: MTL QC CA

Sundog: No warm smiles there. Just warm salty tears. For the sake of all of those who knew and loved Rick, please try to control your compulsion for repeatedly making these photos public and let us remember him as the beautiful, vibrant man he was. I'm not so sure Rick himself would have appreciated having that particular photo posted for public scrutiny.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 13:34:50 CET 2000 from (203.197.122.150)

Supratik

From: India

What the Band means to me ?

Firstly they play pure music, without any frills, without any pretensions. Music for the sake of music, without any trappings underneath. There's so much of sincerity, passion and emotion in their music. Every note that they play, every syllable that they sing is so important, Each note making such a huge difference to every song. And the camaraderie in their music, no one wanting to upstage the other, everybody having his own say is so beautiful that in the end its always music that emerges the winner.

Levon's patented drumming, sometimes restrained sometimes so freaky. Rick's bass thunking all around without a care and with such liveliness. Robbie's guitar speaking so much without any of the pyrotechnics that so-called guitarists tend to do nowadays ( remember the solo at the end of Unfaithful Servant ). Richard's piano putting in that extra bit which adds so much to every song that the Band has played, making each one as special as the next one ( listen to The Weight and To Kingdom Come and you will know ). And then there is Garth. That organ changed my life. I never heard anybody playing like that and I doubt if I ever will. It moves all over the songs and its so amazing. I can't ever describe it, unearthly is probably the only word that comes close.

And the way they all sing ( barring Garth of course ) is fantastic. Levon with that spunk and carnal bewilderment ( as the liner notes for TBT say ), Rick with that passion and depth and Richard with the voice that brings out every emotion that ever existed. If they ever make a list of singers, Richard's gotta be No. 1 on each of them.

I don't think I have been able to cover even half what I feel about the Band. In fact whatever I wrote above seems wooden once it appears on the screen in front of me because it can't carry any of the emotions that I feel. Its all seems goddamned shitty.

Thanks Jan for the best website on the Net. Thanks D'Lil ( and I gotta admit D'Lil your writings have more emotions than what I can ever achieve ), Dr Pepper for those wonderful stories and one small request to everybody out there. Pleeaase keep on writing about the Band and the Bandmates, its been an exhilarating experience to know so much about the Band in the last few weeks.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 09:55:21 CET 2000 from ts1-4.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.4)

D.Smith

Sundog Enough!We've all seen the pictures now put them away.Your just hurting people close to Rick who have enough hurt to deal with.The wounds were starting to heal and you come along and open them up again.I know you think your providing a service but your not.Let me try to give you some perspective.I went to visit my Grandmother and when i left her she was in tears.She passed a few days later so my last memory of her is looking over my shoulder and seeing her crying.It pains me everytime i think of her.I would like any memories i Have of Rick[sadly i never got to meet him]To be of him in happier times preferably with an instrument in his hands and a smile on his face.That was a damn mean spirited trap you set,enough of the pictures you ghoul.Peace to the rest of you,and a big hug to Lil.Doug


Posted on Fri Jan 21 09:28:28 CET 2000 from 1cust113.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.113)

Damon Z

From: Floral Park, NY

The relentless (and I do mean RELENTLESS if you get my drift) re-introduction of the now infamous and controversial Danko photos kinda reminds me of that old Grade B horror movie "The Nightmare That Wouldn't Go Away." But I wish it would.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 07:10:51 CET 2000 from 209-239-208-17.stk.jps.net (209.239.208.17)

Molly

Sorry, but I also have to agree with Lil and John. Real sad. Brings a tear to my eye.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 05:30:34 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

michael d markrush

From: foster ri yes ri is inthe united states

I have been a fan of The Band since I got my first guitar and heard some scathing lead guitar on leopard skin pillbox hat off Dylans Blonde On Blonde although the lead guitar work was mistakingly credited to dylan but us Robbiephiles know his work when we hear it. i was fortunate to see the band several times in the mid 70's with Robbie still in the fold.and was fortunate to have "unknowingly' walked into the rehearsal at a show in Boston at a place which I think was called Music Hall or something like that.

The memory of that night is still so vivid . I can still hear The band doing the soundcheck playing Forbidden Fruit in one of the loosest blusiest arrangements that I ever heard.I got to meet robbie and Richard Manuel when they were walking out.I am reminde about the expression I always heard about meeting your heroes as he didn't especially come off as being the warmest person in The Band. Richard was ok.The show that night was plagued with sound problems,Rick Danko showed up late and gave some excuse about being held up at the Canadian border. All in all they only did about 12 songs . i can remember many disgruntled fans leaving that night and it was a couple of weeks later that the concert which was to later be billed as The Last Waltz ws announced.

I alwys regretted not making it to the show but still have fond memories of that night and went to see The Last Waltz in the cinemas about a dozen times and bought the video as soon as it was released.I for one would love to see the complete show as it occured in some format or at least get my hands on the audio of the bootleg of the complete Last Waltz.Also if anyone has a copy of The original studio version of Don't Do It or any idea on where it is available I would appreciate it. Many people don"t know of its existence but it did exist at one time as a friend of mine owned it but lost it in a fire. It was recorded in the Bearsville studio and had Time To Kill or The Shape I'm in on the flip side.It had no horn section but had the making of a hit single if it ever was oficially released.

I met Levon a few years ago at a show he was doing as a solo act with Jim Weider on guitar and Max Weinberg on drums ???????. and got to spend quite a bit of time with him after the show and found Levon to be the Real Thing. very personable funny and just a great person .well ive got to go as my internet connection keeps breaking up. Thanks for letting me share some memories.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 05:21:22 CET 2000 from d214.as1.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.216.216)

MJD

From: Stevens Point , Wisconsin

Re: George Harrison

Harrison was a big fan of the recording "Music From The Big Pink'

By the mid 70's he was pretty much in seclusion and doing very little live concert work...

Harrison is a great guitarist, his bottle neck slide solo on Lennon's "How Do You Sleep" is a rock n roll classic.

My favorite Harrison album ( and I think it is his very best ) is "George Harrison" 1979 with these songs.... "Love Comes To Everyone", "Here Comes The Moon"' "Soft Hearted Hanna" etc....

it's a mellow album... but every song is great.

It's a buy.

later.... MJD


Posted on Fri Jan 21 04:26:45 CET 2000 from spider-tk014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.179)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

Non-sequiturs...You know, "Breeze Hill" is a damn fine album...

Richard sure sounded goofy when he said, "I just want to break even!"...

Robbie may be pompous, but he certainly is one talented S.O.B....

If you don't own The Basement Tapes, you are missing out on some of the very best vocal performances of Rick and Richard's careers (and Dylan's, too)...

How cool were Joni's backups on "Helpless"?...

It's touching to watch Rick blow kisses to the audience at the end of "Don't Do It"...

Aw, mama, can this really be the end?

Sip sip sip the wine...

I absolutely love this guestbook...



Posted on Fri Jan 21 04:16:43 CET 2000 from aslda007p140.onda.com.br (200.195.201.140)

FÁBIO COLTRO (BRAZIL)

From: BRAZIL

Hello Friends, My name is Fabio Coltro and i'm a brazilian BIG fan of The BAND!!!!!!!!! I'm working here in Brazil with a radio program dedicate to the Rock History, so i need your help. This program is volunteer, we have no money to buy cd's and other stuffs, like books, etc. If you could send me anything to help my work, i'll be forever grateful. Especially Cd's .Please send me anything!!!! In Brazil is almost impossible to get cd's and other stufs about The Band! Also the member cd's solo!!!!!! So i'll wait your answer. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEND ME THE CD'S!!!!!!!!1 SEND ME THE JUBILATIO CD!!!!!! From your brazilian friend Fabio Coltro My adress is: Street: Rua Belo Horizonte, 99 apto 604 City: Londrina State: Paraná Zip Cod: 86.020-030 Country: Brazil Fone: (043) 323-7578 fax: (043) 327-6972 e-mail: wcoltro@sercomtel.com.br coltro@onda.com.br fcoltro@zipmail.com.br


Posted on Fri Jan 21 02:37:05 CET 2000 from cr514777-a.yec1.on.wave.home.com (24.114.57.20)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

There's a short, but excellent article by Ronnie Hawkins about Rick in the February edition of Toronto Life magazine.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 02:36:19 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

ditto John's and Lil's comments. But I guess Sundog can post these on his own site and we don't have to look at them.

I would love to see or hear the outakes from TLW - especially Caldonia - one of my favourite songs. I doubt that issuing out-takes like this would harm The Band's artistic integrity. So lets see it -warts and all.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 01:38:18 CET 2000 from trt-on70-91.netcom.ca (216.123.108.219)

John Donabie

I agree with Diamond Lil. No "warm smile" there. Very very sad.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 01:23:17 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-02-194.termserv.net (208.20.67.161)

Diamond Lil

Sundog: Wish you had've warned me. No 'warm smile' there. That one hurt. Please stop.


Posted on Fri Jan 21 01:13:50 CET 2000 from pega2pp7.alltel.net (166.102.107.8)

Martha Page

From: Georgia

Bill Graham's book is on sale at barnesandnoble.com for $12.95. Bill Graham Presents: My Life inside Rock and Out


Posted on Fri Jan 21 00:52:28 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Home page

Click homepage for a warm smile :-]


Posted on Fri Jan 21 00:42:45 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas

still interested in learning more about the Fly seen in TLW.

any updates on his current whereabouts, projects, solo albums, bootlegs?


Posted on Thu Jan 20 23:49:24 CET 2000 from ti01a23-0068.dialup.online.no (130.67.2.68)

Jeffrey Wasserman

With Rick's passing still fresh in my daily thoughts, it was nice to get a mail from someone that took it as far as to write and record a tribute. Has anyone heard the mp3 tune that Martin Hagfors and his band "Homegroan" recorded in memory of Rick? If not, then it's definitely worth checking out.

http://www.homegroan.net/

chorus:
"You held that note and shook it,
like a wolf might shake a bone
Your bouncing big foundation,
just a bass-line that hit home
I grew up with your music,
you're one reason that I groan
Don't look back you've been there,
there is plenty more space to roam"

Good work Martin!! You serve Rick's memory well



Posted on Thu Jan 20 22:55:16 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

bob wigo, no question George's skill as a guitarist and songwriter are often overshadowed. As a guitarist, he came of age in a time of guitar heroes like Clapton, RR, page, beck, etc. George is not that flashy, but his taste is impeccable, in my estimation.

I've not read anything from Levon on Ringo, but if you have TLW, you'll notice that after "I Shall Be Released" he and Levon begin kicking it. At the concert, as I understand from Levon's book, folks were sort of milling about after that grand finale (though "don't do it" and some jamming was to follow). According to Levon, he and Ringo sort of looked at each other and sort of grinned as they launched into that funky groove which kicked off the first jam. If you have the Complete Last Waltz on CD or boot tape, you can get a better picture as on the album, it fades out after about 30 seconds of Levon's and Ringo's drumbeats.

Matt


Posted on Thu Jan 20 22:52:05 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-26-218.termserv.net (208.20.67.185)

Diamond Lil

Martin Hagfors/Home Groan/Jan:

Tears, Warm memories of the man with the crinkle in his eyes....Thank You.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 21:17:23 CET 2000 from spider-tk053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.198)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa.

I am, and have been for a very long time,a big fan of RR's guitar work and I would agree that his talents cast a rather large shadow but, I will also readily state that George Harrison,in his prime, never had to stand in that shadow.The respective styles of both guitarists is so disparate that a comparison is futile. Their talents were clearly unique to each of their musical "situations". It has always fascinated me how readily some people can dismiss the individual talents of The Beatles ( George and Ringo in particular ) when the end result speaks so clearly for itself. Any guitarist worth his salt will readily acknowledge George Harrison's body of work. In addition, I wouldn't mind hearing Levon's opinion of Ringo as a drummer. Granted,the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts but when the results are such that they become a significant aspect of the world's musical culture then the parts had to have been awfully damn good!


Posted on Thu Jan 20 20:34:38 CET 2000 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

Kalervo

From: Suomi

Yes John, Minnesota-based Red House Records is really a fine (independent) label with strong artists like Greg Brown, Lucy Kaplansky, John Gorka and Rambling Jack Elliot. Even its vice-president, Eric Peltoniemi, is a wonderful singer-songwriter himself. His album (on Eric' s own Aalto Records) Songs O'Sad Laughter is one of the best albums for the past two years with strong original songs and fine covers like Dylan's Went To See the Gypsy. Somehow I see in Red House artists same kind of spirit as in the Band.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 17:44:35 CET 2000 from du-tele3-036.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.36)

Peter Viney

Hank: Sorry! I didn't intend to start a George Harrison thread, I simply typed "All Things Must Pass" when I meant "All Our Past Times" which Clapton performed as well as "Further On Up The road". Anyhow, while we're on George, let's hope he is recovering well. And he certainly played guitar on some of the best recordings of the century. George has been a long time supporter of The Band's music (see Classic Albums video).


Posted on Thu Jan 20 17:39:08 CET 2000 from (207.81.190.226)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

Hank, with great respect to George Harrison, he ain't no Robbie Robertson (or Jim Weider for that matter).


Posted on Thu Jan 20 15:35:32 CET 2000 from edslink8.eds.com (199.228.142.8)

carmen

From: PA

Check out usatoday.com (Life Section) for an upcoming movie which will contain 4 new Dylan songs!


Posted on Thu Jan 20 15:30:15 CET 2000 from trt-on75-76.netcom.ca (216.123.87.76)

John Donabie

I received an e-mail this morning from Red House Records and here is a portion you might find of interest.

We are just putting the final touches on Guy Davis' new cd titled "Butt Naked Free". It is scheduled for March and is definitely his best album yet. Levon Helm of "The Band" plays mandolin and drums on it and he has other special guests involved on the project like T-Bone Wolk and John Platania (Van Morrison).

Thought it might be of interest.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 14:39:45 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73038.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.37)

Richard Patterson

From: St Catharines

Thanks Hank Wedel: You are the most enthusiastic Band supporter that I have seen on this site in quite a while.

Hey folks, the gauntlet has been passed. Who has a Band night happening?

If you don't know of any coming events, get a guitar, check out the library on this site, learn the songs, and start your own "Band".

I get the feeling Rick would approve.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 13:41:12 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: drizzly low countries

Hank: there IS a Georgie / Band conneXXion. Ringo's "Sunshine Life For Me (Sail Away Raymond)" is a George Harrison composition featuring several Band members. And if my memory serves me well (but I'm too lazy to dig the LP up right now) he's doing backup vocals as well.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 12:54:56 CET 2000 from dialup-070.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.70)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

It's just before noon here in Ireland right now and I'm reading all this "Last Waltz " stuff on the guest page here and I'm still wondering why George Harrison was'nt at TLW......and I'm even more confused by this solo "All Things Must Pass" business.......What are you guys talking about? Of course, I'm one of these sad people who can't understand why The Band was'nt at "The Concert for Bangladesh" or why George never joined the Band after Robbie left......I mean if you read what George said about The Band over the years.............


Posted on Thu Jan 20 12:37:08 CET 2000 from edslink8.eds.com (199.228.142.8)

carmen

From: pa

Read "Bones" post on the RR music in the film Any Given Sunday. I am disapointed that this soundtrack will not be released. Whay do they do these kind of things?


Posted on Thu Jan 20 10:17:56 CET 2000 from du-tele3-052.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.52)

Peter Viney

TLW: Great to read Paul Godfrey's memories. I must have been feeling confused yesterday in my post. Yes, it is a 4CD set (but who listens to CD4 too often?), and worse for "All Things Must Pass" read "All Our Past Times." The full Van set would be great. As is pointed out by Bill Graham, the cameras weren't rolling for much of Dylan. Not much you can do about that. Unless Bob was prepared to come back and mime to the tape in close up (with a lot of digital rendering he might look the right age) :-)


Posted on Thu Jan 20 07:14:19 CET 2000 from spider-we043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.38)

Dennis

From: God damn it's COLD in West Saugerties, NY

ROUND FIVE, SETS ONE 'N TWO: Just back from this evening's Barn Burners show. Had to beat an early exit, gotta be at work answerin' phone calls at eight a.m. Another high quality show, musicians were all on board. From what we saw, this evenin's show was highlighted by Hudson Valley staple, seventy-one year old Little Sammy Davis bein' pulled out'a the audience for three fine tunes during the first set. Frankly, Garth was the keystone of the show: his transition to playin' blues is remarkable. He just plain fills in that somethin' extra that not easily defined. Another A-. (Ya gotta leave room for improvement.) These shows grow on you, kind of develop a history. Makes one wonder, "Is this the future?" If it is, as we're all putting on a few years, it ain't so bad. Should anyone need directions, suggestions or whatever, please don't hesitate to get in touch. Hope to see next Wednesday.....Dennis


Posted on Thu Jan 20 05:36:35 CET 2000 from trt-on55-76.netcom.ca (216.123.100.76)

John Donabie

mattk.......it was "industry interest" I should have stated that more clearly. Thanks bud.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 05:30:29 CET 2000 from spider-wi041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.36)

Lori

From: Chicago

Just wondering...besides Amy Helm, are any other Band family members involved in music or the music industry?


Posted on Thu Jan 20 05:14:28 CET 2000 from truelies3.dpo.depaul.edu (140.192.157.3)

Pete Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

I was just looking over the new edition of Greil Marcus' "Mystery Train" and in the notes he mentions how Levon has said regarding "This Wheel's On Fire" that a lot of the anti-Robbie stuff was thrown in by the ghost author in order to liven things up.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 03:57:15 CET 2000 from pm3-089.efn.org (206.163.180.89)

deb

From: oregon

Oh, no, here I am back again. Just can't stay away. More ideas: if someone is into doing a video of the Barnburners (or any) show it is really not as difficult and/or expensive as you might think. Sometimes it can be done for just the price of a tape. How, you ask? Well, just contact your closest public access channel. If it is set up anything at all like ours here in Oregon, there are all sorts of no-cost or low-cost possibilities for making local television shows. I myself have produced, directed, and crewed on over 100 productions in the last six years. Back to the issue at hand: the local public access t.v. station or community t.v. station can tell you how to do this. Sometimes they provide the crew. All the producer has to do is provide the idea and the funding (we have made decent rock documentaries here for as little as $100, and that was to pay for one piece of equipment we had to rent for a live- to-tape location shoot plus some money to the band's record company for their interest in the project). I produced it and ended up with a wonderful 90-minute professional-looking rock concert. You can do it too, with a little help. If anyone wants more details, just email me and I will offer my advice, bi-coastally. Good luck.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 03:30:32 CET 2000 from pm3-089.efn.org (206.163.180.89)

deb

From: oregon

Had to come back after reading some postings on TLW and possible re-releases on DVD. YES, YES, YES! I hope someone who can do it does it. I would even be interested in the outtakes and the jams. The behind-the-scenes stuff and not-so-perfect stuff is of historical interest to many people. Also, here's another thought: This Levon gig in N.Y.; is anyone documenting it on video? Would that be a possibility? I'm sure many of us would purchase a copy (wish I could be there but Oregon is more than a trip around the block).


Posted on Thu Jan 20 03:26:31 CET 2000 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

From: London, Ontario Canada

Truly enjoy most of the writing on the site. And yes there are some first rate writers. So forgive the rambling of this old broken down rock n' roll disc-jockey and sometimes musician. The Last Waltz was thee concert of my life time. I was fortunate to enter Winterland Ballroom from the back door and directly back stage. My main memory of backstage would be the 5 picture frames hanging empty without any pictures in them...but the names of each of the band on the bottom of each frame.

Recently I referred to Neil Young. I am a big fan. But on that evening I felt he was less than on top of his game. Understand, many folks in Canada are decidedly different in how we view people in the entertainment industry. We have never had a star system like the USA. In some respects that is a good thing. Gordon Lightfoot once came by to drop off his new record...at a little station I worked at in Lindsay Ontario...pop 15,000. He was just a quiet, decent, mannerly guy who wondered if maybe we might give it a spin. Bob Seger dropped in on us one night in Chatham Ontario with "Heavy Music". Bob has many qualities I will call Canadian in how he approaches life. Remember too..he recorded "Night Moves" in Toronto. We are quiety proud of our musicians and their accomplishments. I was not proud of Neil that night. At least thats how my memory works.

Would dearly love to see a complete version of TLW..or as has been suggested, just put out another video of the rest of it. Garth was on another planet when he appeared on stage...just Garth and the organ. Band fans would love to see that. Also Ringo and Levon and their drum solo. Just two little boys playing together in a sand box and enjoying all the sunshine a day could bring. Van the Man. Oh how he soared. He was more animated than I have ever, ever seen him..but you need to see both songs to capture how deeply he delved into his soul and the unreachable plateau he carried us to.

The other Neil. I believe The Sands gave him their jet to fly over to Frisco for a couple of hours. I hear he had to be back for a show later that night. Anyway Neil and Robbie had met in NY in the early 60's when both were struggling. If you were 18 in 1964 and grew up with that scene, you would understand that Neil Diamond was a legendary writer and singer who packed concerts and topped the charts...and yes he was "cool" in the modern slang. Spin ahead to the 80's and 90's. The glitz of Vegas caught up with him and his show became more like vaudeville than rock n' roll. But believe me ... he had his time. Robbie Robertson gained the largest production credit of all time for Neil's "Beautiful Noise". Check it out. The large letters right up front on the album cover: PRODUCED BY ROBBIE ROBERTSON. Age does make a big difference on how you look back on things. If you weren't there ... go easy.

As John D relates the concert ended about 3am. We went back to the party at the Kyoto Inn for maybe 3:30am. Most of the performers assembled there and shared some food and drink. I remember there was no alcohol served. Just sandwiches...soda pop and such. Some of them jammed a bit and it was an especially great time for them. Now that would be a session to have on tape. Can you imagine such a collection of singers and players all in one room and celebrating. Julia and I were fortunate to be invited and so its the second greatest concert of my life time and all in one night.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 03:14:45 CET 2000 from pm3-089.efn.org (206.163.180.89)

deb

From: oregon

Lil: Sounds like someone should do a documentary about your car(s).


Posted on Thu Jan 20 01:49:07 CET 2000 from 209-122-227-242.s242.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com (209.122.227.242)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

I just received a "gigs" list from the Jim Weider/Honky Tonk Gurus mailing list. Here are the dates not already listed on Jan's "Concerts" page:

January 28th (Fri) & 29th (Sat): Pattenburg Tavern, 497 Pattenburg Road, Pattenburg, NJ, (908)735-2547

February 11th (Fri): Black-Eyed Sally's, Hartford, CT, (860)678-8108

March 4th (Sat): Stanhope House, Stanhope, NJ, (973)347-0458

March 10th (Fri): The Metro, 17 Maple St., Saratoga Springs, NY, (518)584-1424

April 8th (Sat): Luigi's Nitelife Cafe, Danbury, CT, (203)790-7678

Hope folks in these areas will get out to see the shows. I can't wait for Garth & Crowmatix at the Bottom Line (note: the ad in the Village Voice suggests they are opening for another group) -- hope it's well-attended, as it should be. Let's really show all these guys that we want to hear what they have to play!


Posted on Thu Jan 20 01:48:09 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-38-230.termserv.net (208.20.67.197)

Diamond Lil

From: when hell froze over

Aah...heat in my car again (turns out I had mice keeping warm in my engine and feasting on wires) and thawed-out pipes with running water in my house again. Life is good.

Enjoying the discussion about TLW so much that I'm going to turn it on here in a little while and sit by the fire..taking one bathroom break during the Neil Diamond segment as always. His suit hurts my eyes.

And a very special Happy Birthday to my daughter who's 10 years old today. I love you Jess!


Posted on Thu Jan 20 01:04:33 CET 2000 from ppp699.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.123)

Richard Patterson

From: St Catharines

The best way I can imagine of presenting a "Complete Last Waltz" video would be warts and all. What I mean is, make an alternate version of the movie (in the manner of the complete last waltz audio version vs. the official lp). My ideal version would turn it back into strictly concert footage, remove the overdubs from the existing material, add the rest of the raw footage, and present it in the manner that Paul G and John D, and others on this site, originaly saw it performed on Thanksgiving in 1976 (in the manner of a bootleg video).

Scorsese would not have to be involved (as artful direction and interviews are less important in a concert film, Robbie or Garth or Leven could overdub the absolutely essential missing music (but only parts missing in the taped mix, not an "improvement" on what the audience heard), and we would have something closer to the experience of being there.

Release it straight to video, keep production costs down, and feed the heads of all us rabid Band fans. Hopefully we would be looking at a 2 or 3 video set.

Don't get me wrong, the original movie deserves a place of it's own (in fact I don't think it should be tampered with at all - unless Scorsese wants to present us with a "director's cut"), I'm suggesting a totally different, alternate, "authentic" version of the same show. Like them or not, the Grateful Dead are the perfect example of how to market raw video footage and live cd's.

What do think Robbie ? BTW "Watkin's Glen" was a nice start.


Posted on Thu Jan 20 00:06:57 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

I found the Bill Graham book at a small shop in Front Royal, VA (very small town on the VA/WVA border) for about $7, so some investigation at your local shop may prove fruitful. Otherwise, I highly recommend Bibliofind (www.bibliofind.com)for finding books like this (had tremendous luck getting Levon's book this way). There's a whole chapter on TLW with an interesting section with Bill and Robbie over an eventual falling out between them (Bill felt he and his company were not appropriately credited or thanked for the event). The best info is on the preperation for the event itself and Bill's self-described (backed up by Levon in his book) where Graham essentially saved the day when Bob decided to either not perform, or deny filming of his portion (which is why not all of Bob's stuff makes the film). A fun read none-the-less, with a wonderful section on Bill meeting the Band for the first time just prior to Winterland, and as mentioned previously, RR's illness and hypnotizing prior to the show.

I think Peter raise great points. No way the original film should be altered, but "additional bonus footage" would be great. Even better than the deleted guest appearances (the film and album really do capture the best of these), such a project would give us some access to the first "Band Only" set. People with the "Complete Last Waltz" know there were great versions of songs like WS Walcott, etc (and of course the truncated "Chest Fever"). It would also be nice to see Richard do Georgia, and the film of Van doing Trura Lura Lura and the Bobby Charles number, both of which made the record, but are missing from the film.

Heck, maybe we'd finally get a top-quality release of some of the redacted material, which many of us love, but can't get without the boots.

Matt


Posted on Wed Jan 19 22:28:54 CET 2000 from dialin-217.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.51)

Gene

From: Dutchess County

Peter, sorry but you probably meant 4 CD set, The Complete Last Waltz.

Bashful Bill, "Bill Graham Presents", (with Robert Greenfield), 1992, Doubleday. Out of print, unfortunately, but I got one on eBay a while back for $6.99 hardcover with dj, mint -- yes, Ragtime, you don't need 'money to burn', dude.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 22:02:20 CET 2000 from du-tele3-039.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.39)

Peter Viney

The Last Waltz: details of the bootleg 3 CD set “The Complete Last waltz” can be found elsewhere on this site.

To practicalities: Can you see Scorsese devoting the time needed to bring in the extra hour of viable footage? I’m assuming you wouldn’t want the jam, breaks between songs and so on. Plus the soundtrack would not match because of the over-dubbing in the past. The rest can’t be over-dubbed as Richard and Rick are gone. Also the interview material would no longer balance. They must have more, but it’d mean a total rescripting and rethinking. The finished film was the Scorsese / Robertson statement. That should be released on DVD as it is - maybe an engineer can bring out a 5.1 effect on the sound, as was done with The Beatles “Yellow Submarine.”

BUT on DVD there is plenty of room for additional material that could be presented separately from the film itself as individual bonus chapters. That’s the only way to do it. That’s what they should do. I still don’t think you’d get the whole thing. Anyone who’s heard the Complete Last Waltz set must know that ‘Furry Sings The Blues’ and ‘Shadows and Light’ were dire, and broke the momentum. so why would Joni Mitchell give permission for that? And The Band don’t back her sympathetically and wouldn’t want it out, I’m sure. What they could add is more Band material, and hopefully the solo ‘All Things Must Pass”, ‘Caldonia’ and ‘Four Strong Winds.’ It’s true that Acadian Driftwood was a bit shaky, but probably that too. I’d guess they’d worked out a balance between Band and guests in the original. Individual bonus chapters, I think.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 21:44:32 CET 2000 from ric-wht-pxy-int02.wheatfirst.com (204.238.130.68)

Bones

From: CT

Has anyone seen the new movie "Any Given Sunday" with Al Pacino and Cameron Diaz? Robbie Robertson does the Musical Score for the film. The intro to "Ghost Dance" opens the film, and the song "Pray" is the last song you hear during the credits. "Rattlebone" and a new version of "Out Of The Blue" performed by Robbie and Bill Dillon are also in the movie. There are other Robbie moments, but the credits roll so fast that I could not verify all of them.

Unfortunately, we will not hear these gems on the soundtrack, because they only released the rap and heavy metal songs used in the film. Also, neither Capitol nor Dreamworks released the soundtrack, so I'm sure, like "The Color of Money", contract problems existed.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 20:20:45 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

John Donabie, was it clear whether RR's reference to "lack of interest" was "fan interest" or "industry interest?" I can see where Hollywood would balk at releasing a 5-6 hour concert film, especially assuming that the cinematic release probably represents the best footage.

I think the idea of having Dreamworks release a complete version of the film would be great! Seems like a fantastic opportunity for some video disc/DVD marketing of at 25th Anniversary edition (November, 2001).

It could be too, however, that RR has his own reticence about going back into what was a painful period for him, both in terms of his musical family and personal family. Rightly or wrongly, his late-70s endeavors with Scorcese certainly engenders some strong reactions from folks like Levon and many Band fans.

A third possibility is RR and Scorcese are happy with the final product and feel the additional footage would not benefit the aesthetic of the film. Still, as a documentary (and I think many of us agree TLW really isn't a documentary in a pure sense of the word), having the total footage out there would be a huge boon to Band fans everywhere.

Also, a word of thanks to Paul Godfrey for providing that great picture from the RCO Album Release party. With all of the chatter we have about the feud, it's great to see a post-TLW image of RR and Levon as true brothers.

Matt


Posted on Wed Jan 19 20:02:22 CET 2000 from spider-tr024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.184)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Most GB regulars are familiar with Levon's and B.Hoskyns books. For yet another informative take on the L.W. as well as other aspects of the Band's history, you should check out Bill Graham's autobiography. I read it several years ago, and he was there for a lot of it- Woodstock, L.W., RR's famous bout with stage fright before the Winterland debut, hassles with Albert Grossman, as well as a wealth of other related pieces of rock history i.e. Dylan, Janis, ets. It also of course covers the fascinating other portions of his life as well. I don't recall the title or who the co-author was, but it utilized the unusual(for an autobiography) device of inserting many interviews of the subjects involved. Many of these interviews actually rebut and/or put their own perspectives on Graham's versions. I saw him in action at shows all over the country. Abrasive he could be, but I know I had a wistful, sad day when I read of his untimely death.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 19:29:17 CET 2000 from trt-on59-78.netcom.ca (216.123.102.78)

John D

I don't know if it's Scorcese or Warner Brothers who own the rights to the film. I have an idea.....let Dreamworks buy it (where R.R. now works) and let them re-release it in it's entirety, digitally. WOW!


Posted on Wed Jan 19 18:22:49 CET 2000 from ip87-max7-lowell.ziplink.net (206.15.160.247)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

There would be a TREMENDOUS amount of interest in the COMPLETE Last Waltz. It's a travesty that any footage shot on that glorious night has been kept from the fans. It took 32 years for Columbia to realize that the "Live '66" concert would be worth releasing. The fabulous success of that album is proof enough that the public's appetite for the Band remains voracious. If anybody who reads this guestbook has any clout at all with the people who own that footage, let them know wholeheartedly that a Complete Last Waltz would be a smashing success. The public is ready, willing, and anxious to buy it!


Posted on Wed Jan 19 17:57:40 CET 2000 from trt-on70-88.netcom.ca (216.123.90.216)

John Donabie

DEB FROM OREGON

The Last Waltz started at approx. 9:00 pm and went until 3:00 the following morning; with an intermission. There are quite a few numbers which did not make it to the screen. In an interview I once did with R.R....he felt that there was a "lack of interest" in re-issuing the film in it's entirety. I know we don't believe that. TO BE FAIR, THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE BACK IN '91. I think it would be great and smart for a re-release on DVD with the entire film. I know that some cameras were "burning" out" that night; therefore some of the footage could have been lost. I wouldn't think too much however.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 15:26:39 CET 2000 from (198.139.68.154)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa.

Last night I arrived home to find a package in the mail box.My copies of "Live on Breeze Hill" and "Souvenir" had been delivered along with a very nice "Sip the Wine" T-shirt. I have already listened to both discs and must tell you all- both are welcome additions to my collection. If you haven't already done so I highly recommend you add them to your collection as well. Enjoy!


Posted on Wed Jan 19 13:29:44 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Kirk Houston:

All about your cracking video is on this incredible site, which contains everything you want to know... and didn't dare to ask... Check "Videography" & click on "Classic Albums - The Band".


Posted on Wed Jan 19 13:01:31 CET 2000 from spider-wg061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.46)

butch dener

From: ulster county ny

WELL !!!!! It's Wednesday !!!! DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR BARN BURNERS ARE ??? The Joyous Lake >>>>> woodstock, ny,,,, 9 pm,,,,$10 ,,,,,, butch


Posted on Wed Jan 19 12:56:56 CET 2000 from sungold9.uk.ibm.com (195.212.29.132)

Kirk Houston

From: Greenock, Scotland

I don't know how widely available it is outside of Britain, but there is a cracking retrospective documentary out there about the making of "The Band" album. The highliht is Rick Danko doing an acoustic version of "When You Awake". There is also some footage of the band recording in the studio back in the late 1960's. I really recommend it. On the Neil Young / Last Waltz tip. He was the reason that I actually watched "The Last Waltz" when it was shown on TV and now I am a bona fide Band freak.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 10:38:13 CET 2000 from (130.242.52.107)

ROADKILLER?`s OF SWEDEN

From: Sweden
Home page

SPOOKY TOTH , Great band in the early years New Remastered Album kinda Antology Is out now 99, herd they also was reunited latly however I meet Luther Grosnevor in hes Mott The Hoople Days alias Ariel Bender when he was married to my friend Ulf older sister Gitah Nystroem here in Sweden ,they got divorced and she moved to Florida US for another life where she still lives. ´ However GRAND FUNK RUEL`s !! Roadkillers Of Sweden keep shinin`on !!! "Taxman"


Posted on Wed Jan 19 07:55:07 CET 2000 from pm3-028.efn.org (206.163.180.28)

deb

From: oregon

Here's a question for some of you who attended The Last Waltz in person: Is the event shown in the movie the entire thing, or did anything end up on the cutting room floor? In other words, how much was edited out, I wonder?


Posted on Wed Jan 19 05:44:52 CET 2000 from dm2c82.bell.ca (198.235.69.172)

JEFF RIEHL

From: LONDON,ONTARIO,CANADA

I live close to where GARTH,ROBBIE,RICHARD,RICK, were born and they are the best musicians to come from Ontario,Canada ever!!! J.R.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 05:40:57 CET 2000 from spider-tk032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.187)

Ruben Remus

From: Underneath that apple suckling tree

Staying with The Last Waltz commentary, can somebody explain why Ringo Starr and Ronnie Wood aren't trotted out until the very end of the concert?


Posted on Wed Jan 19 05:05:16 CET 2000 from user-33qt9jc.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.166.108)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

As an adjunct to the Neil Young/Helpless thread: they were definitely getting the monitor level when the "They got it now, Robbie" thing happens. And Rick and Robbie come in early on the "Helpless" Chorus. Note that Neil doesn't see their faux pas but does catch them laughing about it. My guess is that Neil becomes a bit self-conscious--kind of like "What are these guys laughing at? Me?" But Neil rallies quickly for the three singers at one mic-one of the nice moments in the movie. Also, the subject matter of "Dry Your Eyes" matches the "Tin Pan Alley" setup.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 04:55:15 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

I'm sure that if Neil D had retired in 1978 he would be remembered alot more fondly than he is now. The guy had some good songs (and alot of bad ones)but up until the mid 70's the good made up for the bad. I still enjoy his song on TLW and he is the reason I saw the film and discovered The Band in the first place. Solitary Man would have been a better choice (musically) than Dry Your Eyes. Robbies comment "great song" at the end of the performance is a bit strange considering he co-wrote it.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 04:50:34 CET 2000 from spider-tm043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.63)

dennis of wanda 'n dennis

From: -37 degree wind chilled West Saugerties, NY

Goll darn it's cold around here! this morning's wind chill was thirty-seven below zero, and that's f...not c! But there's a warmin' in the evening: tomorrow's to be yet another barn burner's night. Hope ya can make it...


Posted on Wed Jan 19 04:32:32 CET 2000 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

From: Moonbeam, Ont.

For what it's worth, Toronto-based National Post carried a reprint of Albany Times Union yarn about Levon beating Big C in its arts section today, Jan. 18.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 03:12:42 CET 2000 from dialup-307.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.51)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Awright, I'm hooked to this thing!! I remember going to see "The Last Waltz" with my Dad in 1979 in a cinema in Mallow, Co. Cork. When Neil Young came out on stage to sing and nodded and smiled "They got it now, Robbie" my Dad laughed, turned to me and said "Ha! What if they DID'NT got it now, Robbie!!"......as if to say Neil looked like he was about to collapse if such a thing happened!!.....luckily they done did "got" it......by the way, I would have to agree with the school of thought that sez Neil was waiting for the right moniter level..... Another thing...... a few years before that, a friend of mine tried to turn me on to Neil Diamond, I's about 13 at the time and I remembered my Dad had an album with "Neil....something" on it.....A fuzzy picture with a guy leaning on his arm against a tree with a small mutt next to him.....I dug it out...."Everybody Knows This is Nowhere"...I put it on anyway and how can I describe that day, being in my folks house, alone in the afternoon, listening to "Cinamon Girl" REALLY LOUD about five times in a row....before even listening to the next track.......d'y'all know THAT buzz? I'm sure you do!!!!! The only problems with Neil Diamond at "The Last Waltz" were his choice of song.....and his suit...if he had come out and played "Beautiful Noise" in something less "Las Vegas" suitwise.... we would'nt be debating this....."Dry yer Eyes" lacked the dynamic which makes "The Last Waltz" and the songs in it so good.........by the by, folks.......Can anyone tell me why George Harrison was'nt at "The Last Waltz"? I seem to recall reading somewhere that George kinda liked The Band........There now, chew on that for a while, folks....Wow, this is fun........Say Hello to Valerie, Say Hello to Vivian........Talk to you later, Hank


Posted on Wed Jan 19 03:13:55 CET 2000 from spider-tk044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.194)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

Neil Diamond is a bust.


Posted on Wed Jan 19 00:48:22 CET 2000 from ppp624.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.238.48)

Richard Patterson

From: St Catharines

Minimally relevant, vaguely connected, recommendation of the day: Soft Machine's Robert Wyatt singing Neil Diamond's "I'm a Believer" (from 'I'm a Believer' EP Virgin '84)


Posted on Wed Jan 19 00:18:45 CET 2000 from spider-wc041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.36)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

You are correct,Brien Sz. The title of the album was "Beautiful Noise" and actually has a couple good songs,at least I thought so the one and only time I listened to it. On another subject, does anyone have any details re: Garth's upcoming shows. What kind of music, etc. The Barnburners are deservedly getting a lot of attention with at least weekly gigs and periodic reports in this GB, but I don't recall anyone with any info on Garth's New Year's Eve gig in NYC.


Posted on Tue Jan 18 23:32:16 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Please, Lord, deliver us from getting into the fray over Neil Diamond again...

thx

Matt


Posted on Tue Jan 18 23:25:50 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

From: NJ

If my memory serves me well..., and sometimes it doesn't. I believe Niel Diamond was at The Last Waltz cause RR just finished producing ND's latest album. RR wanted Niel to get some big time face action going to promote the album.

If my memory serves me well


Posted on Tue Jan 18 23:21:12 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas

What the Band means to me....

I just remember moving 1/2 way across the U.S. to start high school and leave all my friends. the only neighbor was the star quarterback if the high school i was to go to. well that summer I played frisbee with my dog and rode my bike alone everywhere with nothing to do. In the midst of that I found Before the Flood and somehow that amazing record put an end to the boredom and lonliness. the more band records I got the deeper I got into it. that was a time Rock n' Roll got me through ... I'll always be grateful. They really had an impact on the vision of what I wanted to do with my spirit and this life. they are about love, fellowship, freedom and the ability to dig and groove on whats there


Posted on Tue Jan 18 21:43:35 CET 2000 from travelline6.wcco.com (199.199.119.6)

Mr. T

as to the "they got it now, robbie" controversy:

It isn't the song or any special shipments. It is the stage monitors. You can see Young warming up his harmonica and strumming the guitar so he could hear himself. When he couldn't. You see Robbie and Rick look over offstage to the mixing desk. Young couldn't hear himself. When they fixed it, that's when Neil said that


Posted on Tue Jan 18 19:30:16 CET 2000 from dialup-303.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.47)

HANK WEDEL

From: CORK CITY, IRELAND
Home page

Hey There folks!!!

Well, I wanna thank all you folks that got in touch with me since I posted the report on last Sunday nights "Tribute to Rick Danko" gig here in Cork City. I also wanna thank, Jan, who maintains this web-site, for making my report look so good......... Quite a few folks wanted to know if we taped or videoed the show; well, we DID record it (from the mixing desk to minidisc) but I'm sorry to say that it did'nt come out that good....it's all distorted and fuzzy....virtually unlistenable......Recording was one of the last considerations because of all the other stuff we had to do, rehearse, get the set lists right and organise 17 musicians and guests in three bands........too bad, in a way, but it's alright in another way, too, because, as I asked you all yesterday, you musos out there.... DO SHOWS IN YOUR OWN TOWNS!!!!!

Especially those towns and cities in outta the way backwoods that Rick came and played in. The Dude Rick Danko had his problems BUT he was one of Gods own minstrels......and he shared his God-given gift with you. He came to your local bar or club and sang songs of great beauty and made us laugh and cry at the same time.....Today, a good friend played a bootleg of Rick playing here in Cork at The Lobby in 1993 and we listened to it and realised.....yep.....we rocked it up for Rick last Sunday night......now folks.........it's YOUR turn. I see someones organising a (not) The Band celebration in Greenwood, Illinois (I think...)....THAT's the idea.....So c'mon, lemme see you guys 'n 'gals doin' it "and gettin the SONGS together" (Thank you, Garth).....I'll be watchin' these pages...........Hey! Diamond Lil....any time you get to Cork there's a buncha musos and singers ready to serenade ya........By the way, I wanna publicly thank one JASON O"DRISCOLL who played drums for OPEN KITCHEN and THE LYNCH MOB, bass for TWO TIME POLKA, sang harmony all night and took Ricks verse in "The Weight" at the end of the gig last Sunday night......could'nt have done it without ya, Jay.........Look out, Cleveland, Jasons a great singer songwriter in his own right.....keep an ear out, Folks!!!

I'll sign off now and look forward to hearing about your own gigs out there........God Bless and Keep y'all always
Hank Wedel


Posted on Tue Jan 18 18:29:38 CET 2000 from spider-wa033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.33)

Sam

Gee, guys, look again at that Neil Young moment in the Last Waltz cited by Long Distance Operator. I mean, the one where Neil looks over at Robbie & Rick as they launch into the first chorus. Truth is, they came in at the wrong place in the song -- too soon. When they realise it, they start laughing & hamming it up to cover embarassment. Neil seems to thoroughly enjoy it all. It's a delightful mistake, not as dramatic as Clapton's breaking guitar strap, but handled with the same grace, charm & good humor by all concerned.


Posted on Tue Jan 18 17:32:13 CET 2000 from (207.81.190.226)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

Re Neil Young - I always liked the part where Rick and Robbie look up in the air and laugh when Neil sings the line about big birds flying across the sky.


Posted on Tue Jan 18 17:01:16 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

What is the Band? Last night I visited Chapters and picked up a "Rock&Roll double Jeopardy!" desk calendar to spice up my working life. Every day comes with its own trivia question. Zipping through the days to get to the 18th, I spotted the "answer" for January 9: "Interviews with this group's members highlight The Last Waltz, a film of their farewell concert." Wow, the big time!!

For the record, January 1-8 deal with Natalie Cole, Paul Simon, Manhattan Transfer, Johnny Horton, Sheryl Crow, the B-52s, 10,000 Maniacs, and Ben Folds Five.


Posted on Tue Jan 18 16:55:42 CET 2000 from d774.as3.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.219.22)

MJD

From: Stevens Point Wisconsin

My old band played The Heartland Cafe one time in 93 or 94.... nice little place.

On the Neil Diamond presence.... one most not forget that Neil Diamond was ( during 60's) one of the top song writing talents in the business and wrote most of The Monkey's songs. He was just coming off the top of his own very successful singing career... all though I agree that he seems a little out of place at "The Last Waltz" ... his attendance was a tribute to the greatness of The Band... and it also showed that the band had formed a special relationship and gained respect with musicians from many different circles.


Posted on Tue Jan 18 14:04:48 CET 2000 from gateway.llgm.com (209.125.166.250)

medicine hat

From: pittsburgh

funny. my take on young neil's (haha) "they got it now, robbie" comment was that the "cocteau room" at winterland had just received its shipment. this is somewhat supported by neil's appearance -- not to mention the legendary, and oft-mentioned "disappearing coke booger". it's great to hear about everyone's favorite part of the film. one of mine is the little eyebrow arching and smile that richard gives after ronnie hawkins performance. i often freeze-frame that moment. it's really touching


Posted on Tue Jan 18 10:25:24 CET 2000 from du-tele3-114.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.114)

Peter Viney

I think that many of you here will enjoy “The Skiffle Sessions - Live in Belfast” by Van Morrison, Lonnie Donegan and Chris Barber. Dr John sits in on two tracks. They rehearsed one day and cut it all live the next. It’s got the very relaxed sound of highly-accomplished mature musicians enjoying some old standards, like ‘I Wanna Go Home’ (aka Sloop John B), Jesse James, Midnight Special, Alabamy Bound, Goodnight Irene, Frankie & Johnny. The reason I think it’d appeal is that it has similar feel to Rick solo live tapes. Everyone sounds as if they’re having fun. Van even writes liner notes - a first I think. Dr John was in town the same night and dropped in - Donegan said it was his first experience of his sensational talent - which I guess means he’d never heard of him. Van plays guitar throughout and even does a guitar solo on ‘Outskirts of Town’. Donegan’s notes say Van’s guitar is ‘somwhere between early Muddy Waters and when he adds the unison voice, 1940s Slam Stuart’ (the latter being pretty esoteric - well, I’ve never heard of him!

Some of you might not know Donegan and Barber so well. Donegan was considered by many (including The Beatles) to hold a “father of rock” role in Britain. He started playing banjo and guitar with Chris Barber’s Trad Jazz band in the 1950s, and developed a solo spot of folk / blues material, resulting in a major hit with Rock Island Line. He had a series of hits in a similar idiom in the mid-50s. He then crossed over into novelty songs in the late 50s (Does your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavour? - a US hit, and ‘My Old Man’s A Dustman’) then became an MOR / semi-comedy act with the odd plaintive ballad (he had a hit with ‘The Party’s Over’). He made an album produced by Van last year, ‘Muleskinner Blues’ which returned to his skiffle roots. Donegan & Morrison swap & share lead vocals with strongly contrasting voices.

Chris Barber plays double bass and trombone on the album, trombone being his main instrument. He was leader of the “trad boom” in Britain in the late 50s, but also nurtured early blues enthusiasts like Cyril Davies and Alexis Korner in his band. I hope that someone gives Mr Helm a copy. The album is wonderful. It would have acheived perfection if he’d been passing by as well!


Posted on Tue Jan 18 08:30:21 CET 2000 from 98cef680.ipt.aol.com (152.206.246.128)

DJ Girl

From: The woods

Neil Young has a new lp comin out in April, its like the 3rd stage of the "Harvest" thing, [ gee that sounded intelligent ! ] the horns... ? Alan Toiussant ? ( spelling ) New Orleans....um I love having a warm place to go on nights like this, battery is dead, snow piling up..... Birthdays too..... Love this Book, Liz.....// PS : tapes are " in the mail " heee heeee : )


Posted on Tue Jan 18 07:29:05 CET 2000 from pm530-25.dialip.mich.net (35.9.48.227)

Anna

From: MI

Carmen - VH1 100 greatest songs. I am proud that no Band songs is part of that ridiculous list. What is it these days with the top ten list, and the top 100 etc... What does it mean? It actually is a compliment for the boys that this dumb channel did not pick any of their songs. Would they have been before or after Ricky martin? Give me a break...


Posted on Tue Jan 18 07:27:21 CET 2000 from spider-th014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.49)

Rick K

From: T.O.

Interesting comments about Neil Young at TLW . . . (I grabbed the only copy from the local BlockBuster for the whole week at Christmas, and was unbelievably surprised to find my 19 year old couldn't keep from playing it over and over . . . how The Music carries and cures and binds us, eh folks) I'm struck by so many details in it, it's amazing . . . but let me ask, does it seem like some guests, particularly ones with horn arrangements might have rehearsed their choice of material ( eg Dr. John, maybe Van Morrison) whereas the more acoustic artists just came out and 'challenged' The Band to "Name That Tune"? That's my take on Neil Young's song, so where we hear him say "They got it now, Robbie", he's acknowledging that The Band have figured out what song he's launching into . . . Also, am I in the minority if I admit to always fastforwarding thru the Neil Diamond segment? Sure, he's is of a certain stature, a good songwriter and performer but why was he even there, really? He just seems a couple of rhinestones shy of Wayne Newton, compared to all the other folks in attendance . . .? Just one opinion . . . . Rick


Posted on Tue Jan 18 06:37:46 CET 2000 from spider-wi044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.39)

Lori

From: Chicago

Just got back home from a trip to NY. Saw Levon's show in Albany Saturday. Albany was freezing, but the Egg was cookin! Great night of music. Was really curious what the Barnburners are like & I sure wasn't disappointed. They had the folks out of their seats and dancing. It was fantastic to see Levon up there smiling away, and just to watch Garth is a show in itself. Too bad I'm so far away & can't go see them more often.


Posted on Tue Jan 18 06:29:42 CET 2000 from paigeone.xnet.com (204.248.48.134)

Bill Paige

From: Chicago



Posted on Tue Jan 18 05:11:42 CET 2000 from spider-to032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.57)

Bill

From: Pittsburgh

This may be old news, but there's a piece in the latest Rolling Stone with a retrospective review of the 2nd (eponymous) album giving it 5 stars. A fitting tribute - wish Rick and Richard were both around to see it.


Posted on Tue Jan 18 04:19:13 CET 2000 from d509.as2.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.218.9)

MJD

From: Stevens Point WI

Paul G. on the Neil Young comment

I think you got the story wrong... Neil stepped up to the mik to sing and there was a bad monitor feed back squeel that caused him to pull back... Robbie looked off to the side as to signal the sound teck of the problem.. Neil replied with " I think they got it now Robbie"


Posted on Tue Jan 18 03:10:44 CET 2000 from spider-tl013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.178)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

Paul G: That's unbelievable to me that you were actually AT the Last Waltz concert!! Seriously, that may very well have been the greatest night in rock history. I feel privileged just to watch it on TELEVISION. What was it like to physically be there? Did you know it was to be the Band's "final" performance? Were you aware of the identity of all the guest stars beforehand? I'm in awe. I can only assume that was the greatest show you ever witnessed. Please, tell me more about that night. Any minutia will be fascinating to me. Thanks!


Posted on Tue Jan 18 02:29:11 CET 2000 from dialin20.montreal.globalserve.net (209.167.12.20)

Kat Sermat

From: Canadian coldfront

From The Gazette (Montreal)/Southam News, Mon. Jan 17/00

An excerpt from the story on yesterday's Farm Aid concert in Toronto (organized in part by Ronnie Hawkins) to raise awareness about the plight of the family farm in Canada:

"Hawkins lashed out at some of the superstar acts he asked to attend, including Robbie Robertson, Shania Twain and Céline Dion. 'They should be here; they deserve a spanking,' he told Newsworld. 'I'll have to scold them when I see them.'"

I'm sure Robbie would get a chuckle, hearing his name uttered in the same breath as Céline and Shania, and a "superstar act" at that!


Posted on Tue Jan 18 02:24:41 CET 2000 from ts1-4.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.4)

D.Smith

I don't mean to be a downer but i thought those of you who are Rankin Family fans should know that Piano and fiddle player John Morris Rankin was Killed in a car accident last night.Fare thee well John and Peace To the rest of You Doug


Posted on Tue Jan 18 01:11:23 CET 2000 from alb2-as5200-39-87.termserv.net (208.20.67.87)

Diamond Lil

From: the cooold

Jan: Ok with you if I light a fire in here? A small, contained one...just big enough for everyone here to sit around and take the chill off? Perhaps we could listen to Band tunes and tell stories...a nice way to find warmth in these sub-zero temperatures. Hey..it'll be just like being in your livingroom...if indeed your livingroom was on fire :-)

Hank Wedel: Thank you for sharing your story about the tribute to Rick Danko. I read it several times and am once again touched by the incredible impact Rick had on so many lives everywhere. Wish I could've been at that show.

Have a good night everyone..and to Sore Finger down south..if it doesn't warm up here soon..start drizzlin chocolate on the roast...cause I'm movin in!


Posted on Tue Jan 18 00:52:31 CET 2000 from ppp89.a1-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.1.89)

Paul Godfrey

Long Distance Operator. Quote: "Neil Young is ridiculously cool!" Very well put. Consider Neil started the song off-key. He had to stop his performance and start all over again after saying: "I'm sorry Robbie" Probably no one is more thankful for TLW than Ol Neil. After watching it he may well have realized that he actually was at Winterland Ballroom that night in November of 1976. I stood not 10 feet from him taking pictures and felt that the song title was most appropriate. Shine On!


Posted on Mon Jan 17 21:27:33 CET 2000 from ip87-max7-lowell.ziplink.net (206.15.160.247)

Long Distance Operator

From: Yazoo Street

Neil Young is ridiculously cool. Nothing confirms this more than the footage of him doing "Helpless" with The Band in the film The Last Waltz. There's old Neil, singing away gleefully, when he happens to turn and see Robbie and Rick sharing a mic for the harmonies. Neil, seeing that two of the coolest rock cats ever are sharing a mic right next to him, staggers over to join them on the chorus. He left his own microphone to share one with Rick and Robbie. Who wouldn't? That is just one of the 7,576 good reasons to love The Last Waltz. That's a moment in time for which I'll be forever grateful to have witnessed. Thank you, Mr. Scorcese.


Posted on Mon Jan 17 20:49:04 CET 2000 from (198.139.68.241)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa.

Would someone be kind enough to post ( or e-mail direct ) the phone number to Joyous Lake and directions from the Philly area ? Is it difficult to get in on the nights Levon is performing? Would also appreciate some recommendations on a place to stay close by. Thanks to all.


Posted on Mon Jan 17 18:45:30 CET 2000 from dialup-311.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.55)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

"God must Love us-He made so many of us!!!"
(Rick Danko at The Lobby Bar Cork City 1993)

Greetings to all you Band Heads!!

Last Night, Sunday Jan. 16th, at The Lobby Bar, Cork city, Ireland, there was "A Tribute to Rick Danko" which featured the following musicians, bands and songs

  1. Twilight
    Hank Wedel and Ray Barron

  2. The Promised Land
  3. Up on Cripple Creek
  4. One More Shot (just for old times)
  5. A Deuce and a Quarter
  6. Katies Been Gone
    Open Kitchen

  7. Long Black Veil
  8. Blind Willie McTell
  9. When I paint my Masterpiece
    Two Time Polka

  10. Crash on the Levee
  11. Wheels on Fire
  12. Most likely you'll go your way (and I'll go mine)
  13. Baby Let me follow you down
    Ricky Lynch and the Lynch Mob

  14. Small Town Talk
  15. Coyote- featuring Dawn O'Leary
  16. Stage Fright
  17. It Makes No Difference
  18. Evangeline- featuring Mandy Murphy
    The Brand New Crackers ( featuring members of all the bands and special guests)

  19. I Shall be Released
  20. The Weight
    (Everyone who could fit on the Stage!)

  21. Encore Who do you love/ Mystery Train
So whaddaya thinka that folks? The gig went off without a hitch, it was covered and billed in 3 national newspapers and a national TV station even played some old footage of The Band to tell folks about it!!

So c'mon all you bozos out there, writing to this guest page, get your own Tribute gigs together for Rick and The Band in your hometowns. The Lobby Bar holds about 120 people, 'twas packed last night, and we raised some bread to send to Rick's family.......y'all could do the same if you wanted to and have make great music at the same time.....

All the musicians had a great time rehearsing for the gig last night......I took some flak from a few cynical heads around town here who said " Aw Hank, your just trying to do your own "Last Waltz" gig"........ to which I had a variety of replys like "Yeah, but we're not inviting Neil Diamond..." or "Yeah, and if we screw up we'll just go in and overdub the mistakes"......

Too bad if they don't get it.......I don't know if y'all are aware of it, but Ireland and The UK are infested with dodgy cover/tribute bands and singers who really dress up like their favorite pop stars and sing to backing tapes.....Well, we did it for REAL last night on a stage that Rick Danko performed on in 1993.

What more can I tell you? If your ever in Cork City, look us up!!

All The Best, Hank Wedel


Posted on Mon Jan 17 17:54:45 CET 2000 from d782.as3.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.219.30)

MJD

From: Stevens Point, Wisconsin

It was late 69 or maybe early 70 when I first came across an album by The Band. I was 14 at the time, digging through stacks of Beatles records at Walgreens when my eye caught an interesting looking album. It was titled "The Band" and the photo of the musicians was reminiscent of a group of outlaw refugees from the post Civil War era. That image stuck with my curiosity for a long time... But I didn’t buy the album at that point.

It would be a few more years before I would become familiar with the music. The first thing that came to my mind when I heard their sound... was a sense of maturity in their style. .. No doubt, The Band helped revolutionize the sound of Rock & Roll at the close of the 1960’s... with The Band, Rock & Roll gained a mature voice. Of course this sound had already been happening over on country radio. There were a few other rock bands out there with a mature sound too.. " The Youngbloods " for instance... But these bands were few and far between.... and were the early pioneers in changing Rock & Roll from a pop medium into a form of artistic expression. It has been said that The Beatles "Let It Be " project was an attempt to capture the sound of The Band... after being influenced by "Music From The Big Pink". When the movie " Easy Rider " hit the theaters in 1970 complete with a sound track of this more mature sounding music.... Rock & Roll was changed forever.

I saw The Band live in Milwaukee WI at Summer Fest in 1977 or 76??... it was the complete original outfit with all the members and what a site and sound to behold. We were seated very close just to the left and out front of the stage. Garth was at center stage and behind his Lowrie Organ was a pyramid of maybe 15 to 20 Leslie rotating speakers all stacked up.... crowned off with a special smaller sized cab built at a 45 degree angle V with two rotating horns on each side. I guess this was his stack of pipes so to speak. When I think back... what a glorious sound. You don’t see set ups for the organ like that these days... and of course... you wont ever hear that glorious sound either. It was a great show.... but there was already a sense in the air that the end was near.... It was after all "The Last Waltz" tour.

At the time I don’t remember feeling saddened by the news of The Band breaking up, after all they had been playing together for 16 years... and when your younger that seems like ages. They hit their greatest peak with the "Rock Of Ages" release... at that point in time.. they were the sound. The movie "The Last Waltz" is a testament to a legendary band. Then they exited the scene gracefully... moving over for the next musical revolution to MTV and punk.

I saw The Band again in Florida in 1986 when touring without Robbie. It was a beautiful sunny day and the show opened with a solo performance by Roger McGuinn. Something was different with The Band’s sound... and a few days later we lost Manuel.

The legend speaks for itself and will stay forever young.


Posted on Mon Jan 17 17:39:00 CET 2000 from spider-tn082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.82)

butch dener

From: ulster county n.y.

To Steve, Jay, Joe & all The Band regulars who joined us, Sat. night, in Albany.,,, THANK-YOU !!! You all helped make it a great night for all of us,,, Levon, Garth The BB's & Amy all were HOTHOTHOT !!! We all were smilin',,, the house was rockin',,, folks were dancin',,, A real special night,,, George made shirts,, & we had special posters made to remember the night,,, BUT THE MUSIC WAS THE STAR OF THE NIGHT !! there was some grumbling in the Albany blues crowd that Levon isnt bluesy enough,, well They Shut Them Up !!! plenty of MUDDY, Big Joe Turner, Wolf, Sonny Boy,Jimmy Reed, etc,,,,, all chicago all delta,,, all the time ,,,, anyway,,, thanks to you loyal friends ,,, hope to see you & some new ones soon,,,, Blues with a feeling,,,,,, butch


Posted on Mon Jan 17 15:17:45 CET 2000 from 209-239-199-70.oak.jps.net (209.239.199.70)

Molly

Loved one: I think Robbie wrote Just Another Whistle Stop. I love that song too. Anyone, correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. Stay sweet, everyone!


Posted on Mon Jan 17 14:02:24 CET 2000 from acay019125164.acay.com.au (203.19.125.164)

The Loved One

I thought there wasnt much I didnt know and no secrets to be revealed about the Band music anymore until....fooling around trying to work out the chords for Just Another Whistle Stop I paused, went to Jan's library section here and had a closer look at the lyrics...religious overtones ?..for sure ..feels very late 50's ..nice imagery.

I'm curious to know if Richard or Robbie wrote the lyrics or if it was a joint venture. Richard sure sings it with passion,makes some of the more heralded songs on SF seem a little bland.


Posted on Mon Jan 17 01:13:28 CET 2000 from sarc4b4.snip.net (209.204.75.4)

Chris D.

From: South Jersey

Have'nt been on in a while so I hope it's not to late to say what The Bands music means to me. Not that I could really explain it anyway. It's most definitely the soundtrack to my life for the last 25 years. The songs have never been far from my mind or my ears. I've listened to them when celebrating good times and I've listened when I was way down. There's been a song for every mood,emotion or moment I've had.To some this may sound a little overboard, their the ones that just don't get it. I've been blessed to have seen Rick sing "It Makes No Difference"several times and to sit in an arms reach of Levon when he's smiling,belting out "Ophelia". These were the best times of my life and "the best" is what"The Band"means to me.


Posted on Sun Jan 16 21:55:29 CET 2000 from (212.171.101.57)

PIER

From: Venice - Italy

I've just listened to the second album of the band and I think it's great. I absolutely raccomend it!


Posted on Sun Jan 16 21:35:10 CET 2000 from ip-414.global2000.net (209.203.145.114)

Steve

From: Clifton Park, NY

Just saw Levon and the Barn Burners last night in Albany. Excellent show! The real treat for us all was the 'unnanounced' special guest on keyboards...Mr. Garth Hudson. Took him a few minutes to settle in...but once he got going it was great!!! Amy Helm did a real fine job too-it was nice to hear her sing "Same Thing" from Jericho-she's got a great voice. You people are all talking about what 'the Band means to you. Well, to just watch these musicians play and interact, that was, and still is, the spirit of the Band. Of course, we all wish Levon could still sing. My guess is we should be thankful for having him still going out to perform at all. I saw something that was priceless: Levon getting off on the music, smiling, and glad to be still going. He loves to watch and play with Garth, Garth's a serious musician but also a comedian...there's such a comraderie there. That's the Band. It's not about fashion or being slick. It will last because it's real.


Posted on Sun Jan 16 21:13:05 CET 2000 from spider-wo072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.52)

J Ryan

From: Troy

Great show at the egg last night! Really great show. Hey Levon look into the Burbon STreet Boogie bar in Nashville. The Barnburners will fit right in! My daughter is down there and would love to see ya! Jay


Posted on Sun Jan 16 20:35:27 CET 2000 from 209-239-193-143.oak.jps.net (209.239.193.143)

Molly

From: Mill Valley, CA

Lil, wish I could help you. Hope your car works fine now. BTW, saw your old GB entries from '98. They were great. I didn't know about the Band website till the end of that year. Have a good day, everyone!


Posted on Sun Jan 16 20:17:29 CET 2000 from 205.philadelphia-16-17rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.214.205)

carmen

From: PA

What the BAND represents to me:

Brotherhood and Freindship.


Posted on Sun Jan 16 16:08:03 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

From: NJ

After picking up my signed Elliot Landy photo from the framers- I popped into Sam Goody's real quick. Well lo and behold - there was The Basement Tapes - 19.99. It's been ages since i heard it - i had it on vinyl years ago - So i snatched it up - slid it into the ol cd player AND what can i say - "What took me so long!"


Posted on Sun Jan 16 15:31:58 CET 2000 from 209-130-150-124.nas1.mon.gblx.net (209.130.150.124)

Lars Pedersen

From: Pine Bush, NY

There is an article in today's local newspaper, the Sunday Middletown Record, about Levon Helm. It tells about his bout with throat cancer. It was written with Levon's input (the author mentions that Levon answered his questions with "yessir" and "nosir"). Now that his singing voice has been diminished, Levon says "I never wanted to be a singer, anyway. I just wanted to be a drummer." The article also says Levon may put a new final chapter in his book "This Wheel's On Fire" and is working with Stephen Davis on this project.

This article is on page 50p of the pullout section in the middle of today's (Jan 16) Middletown Record.


Posted on Sun Jan 16 14:26:03 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-41-137.termserv.net (208.20.67.137)

Diamond Lil

From: the %@!# car

Any mechanics out there? Have to leave for work in about 10 minutes here...no heat...which means no defrost...which means I may as well be blind. Actually, I _do_ have heat...if I can get the car up to about 70...which results in speeding tickets as I've found out. Have had the thermostat replaced 3 times now..and the water pump. Perhaps Rick's feet would be of help if he was here....

Dr.Pepper: Thanks for sharing your story :-)

Going to blow on my windshield now. Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Sun Jan 16 06:02:08 CET 2000 from abddfe5a.ipt.aol.com (171.221.254.90)

Liz Kemp(DJgirl)

From: up north
Home page

also wanted to Thank my Big brother Bob, for lettin me sneak and listen to his "BAND" lp's when I was just a kid....


Posted on Sun Jan 16 05:49:41 CET 2000 from abddfe5a.ipt.aol.com (171.221.254.90)

DJ Girl

From: the country

What does the Band mean to me ? as a kid.... (looking back now), inspiration. something different, but with a purpose, when alot of music seemed to have no purpose. Music , to me has always been an important communicator. When I first heard the Band at 12 years old, they were so musical = Rhythm.... harmony..... lyrics..... melodies and sentiment all these things...Stories of the past- word of new ideas, attitudes with a sweetness too. It was so different from what was being forced upon us kids, from the radio then.The Band represents "Americana" history, true human heartache and happiness, in the vocal emotions of Robbie's Lyrics, Richard, Rick, Levon's vocals and of course the unique mix (Ronnie Garth)in the melody. They represent so much of what was going on in the 60's ..70's and coninued on into the 80's til now,from a broad frame of reference , as well as communicating on a very personal and intimate level at times.

The rhythm and the harmony, the stories the scenes that were painted with melodies and words. For me , ending up in the radio/ music world , and working with music people for 25 years now....they are the most unique, and talented group of humans I ever had the pleasure of hearing. The music is timeless and to me the Band was and is still -simply an inspiration and wonderful part of our worlds musical history. I loved it when Rick tapped his foot to the rhythm on the floor....


Posted on Sun Jan 16 04:51:10 CET 2000 from pm3-022.efn.org (206.163.180.22)

deb

From: oregon
Home page

Hey, wonderful stories, D. Lil, Dr. Pepper, etc. I am enjoying them immensely (can't you just see these and others in a book with lots of photos?)


Posted on Sun Jan 16 01:22:31 CET 2000 from 209-30-246-80.flash.net (209.30.246.80)

Tom Ordon

From: Taylor, Texas

E-mail me if you have Band tapes to trade or do Blanks & Postage deals. Analog cassette or cd-r. Thank you! Tom.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 23:55:43 CET 2000 from spider-wj012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.22)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell

Forgot to mention, new Van Morrison CD coming out on Jan. 18, live from Belfast, the Skiffle Sessions, with Lonnie Donegan (hope I spelled his name correct). Also live preformance with Dr. John. Want to give a late thanks the the local radio station here, Z 93, for their short tribute to Rick on the last Blues Sunday Show. Two cuts and a nice intro by Mike Cain on Rick, only notice of Rick's passing on the radio here. Kind of demonstates the quality of radio in Atlanta Don


Posted on Sat Jan 15 23:50:55 CET 2000 from spider-wj012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.22)

Don Pugatch

From: Roswell,Ga

Comments about the VH1 song list, Think of this list of Left off, The Band, Pink Floyd, Bob Seager, John Hiatt, Ry Cooder, Traffic, Oh, Van has Brown eyed Girl, whoopee doo, and so many more. It is easy to poke wholes in the list, especially when it contains, Micheal Jackson, The Clash, Nirvanna,( Oh excuse me, did I say something wrong) and Papa was a Rolling stone, which is probably The Temps worse song, and for all you Bostonians, we have Aerosmith, another whopper doo Don


Posted on Sat Jan 15 21:56:16 CET 2000 from 209-239-195-134.oak.jps.net (209.239.195.134)

Molly

From: Mill Valley, CA

I do like your story, Lil. What the band means to me? hmmm. Good meaningful songs, love, trust, and spirit. I never saw the band in person, but wanted to my whole life. Long live the music!


Posted on Sat Jan 15 21:23:18 CET 2000 from gdh2-4d5.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.213)

Dr. Pepper

From: Toronto for a night

Lil...funny story.

Here's MY "Rick and my car" story. A number of years ago I went to see Rick, Eric, and Jonas here in Syracuse in a "club" that is currently an auto parts store. I think I was one of the few that was appropriately excited to see the trio before their CD's came out (had heard a tape of their first show at Tinker Street and was always a big Eric Andersen fan too).

Well I was bowled over when I found out DA (Penny) Pennebaker was there to record this on film. Absolutely bowled over! To make a very long story short, the show was outstanding and I made plans to have lunch with Rick the next day and when I went to leave I discovered my wife had taken the car. This left me with no choice but to take one of the driving school cars from the business that I own. Well i drove this shitty old two door K-car, had lunch with Rick and Eric, hung out at the hotel pool with those two guys and Penny and his young wife for awhile. Rick wanted to know if I would give he and Eric a ride to the train station and I said I would if he wouldnt laugh at my car and Rick said, "I won't laugh at your car". Well Rick kept his promise (barely).

At one point a friend of mine pulled up next to me at a red light and started pointing and laughing about the "student driver" stickers and then his faced changed when he saw who the two passengers were. Funniest change of face I have ever seen. Laughter to total bewilderment and shock. About a mile down the road Rick stretched his legs, accidently hit the extra driver ed brake and brought us to a sudden and complete halt in front of the 18 wheeler behind us.

Well, after a lot of shouting and horns blowing we made it to the train station without a scratch. I pulled up in front of the train station and proclaimed, "The Eagle has landed" and two-thirds of the trio was headed back to Woodstock. Now I was saving that one for Robert Palmer and Rick for the book that was discussed but we'll have to hope for a different book and absolutely have to hope that Pennebaker released that film. Well, I am headed to Toronto to maybe catch the Ronnie and the Hawks for the first time. I heard that one of Ronnie's old keyboard players might be there!


Posted on Sat Jan 15 19:37:32 CET 2000 from proxy-523.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.113)

Scott

Lil, I am still smiling....Hey, I find it difficult to attend the shows at Joyuos Lake in the middle of the week. Why don't we all call the club and ask them to allow Levon and The Barnburners to play on Fridays (If anyone is interested and thinks this is a good idea). Anyone have the phone # or an e-mail address ? For me, It would be perfect. On my way upstate for the weekend I could make a pit stop, see the show then go to my place in Decatur. That would be fantastic !!!... Just a thought....


Posted on Sat Jan 15 15:58:55 CET 2000 from spider-wd021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.156)

butch dener

From: Ulster County, N.Y.,,,,,

Well, Tonight is the Night ! Levon, Garth, The Barn Burners & Miss Amy Helm,,, in Albany, N.Y.,,, At The EGG,,, Tickets almost gone,,, but NOT A BAD SEAT IN THE THEATRE,,, If ya cant make it,,, we understand,,, BUT it WILL be a HOTHOTHOT night of The Blues,, on this cold, wintry evening,,, See you lucky ones, tonight,,, we will be back @ The Joyous Lake, this Wednesday,,, with guest Jimmy Vivino ( from The ConanOBrian show, ) catch the show while it's still only $ 10 ,,,, Blues With A Feeling,,,, butch


Posted on Sat Jan 15 14:29:08 CET 2000 from 223.philadelphia-13-14rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.213.223)

carmen

From: PA

VH1 picks 100 greatest songs.

Anyone see this? The list does not include the BAND. The list was published in the USA Today and chosed by a 700 member panel that included songwriters, DJ's and such artists as Bono, Johnny Cash, Curtis Mayfield etc...

Although the list does contain some real great stuff, I have a hard time believing that "The Weight" and "Dixie" do not deserve a place on this list.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 14:07:40 CET 2000 from acay019125168.acay.com.au (203.19.125.168)

The Loved One [ formerly Patric]

If anyone has the chords to Just Another Whistle Stop could they e-mail me please.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 13:42:25 CET 2000 from du249-2.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.2.249)

Ilkka's dog

From: pink painted doghouse

This damned guestbook has caused a nervous breakdown to my poor master. He has moved to my pink doghouse and I have taken over the computer, what I should have done for a long time ago. He'll take a break now but he'll be back some day, don't worry.

"Tell 'em all in the GB" he sayd to me, "to play f****ng loud!"

Is it now I should push the Preview button with my wet nose and


Posted on Sat Jan 15 06:57:04 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

kerrilyn

I wondered in here about 2 maybe 3 years ago, thrilled to find this terrific Band site (Excellent Jan!). But my stay was short because the guestbook was pretty angry and spite filled. With the likes of: you don't agree with me so therefore you are an idiot etc. I didn't visit again till Rick's death. Came back in and was thrilled to see all the heartfelt appreciation for such a wonderful person. But alas that seems to be coming to an end, and you think well that was nice while it lasted. (Now don't get me wrong I believe in disagreements, a free exchange of thoughts, and it's important to be able to agree to disagree.) Then there's a glimmer of hope, a gem of a story by a Lil' Diamond (amongst the rough) and you think that's what it's all about. There it is, and it's almost worth the wait. Thanks for the great story Lil.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 06:53:39 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison, Wisconsin, 'Where Ricks Pictures are Beautiful!
Home page

Thanks for the story 'Lil, it was almost as if I could see it happening! Whats it like to see someone on tape for the first time?!? I don't need to see you, to know that you are a beautiful person, inside and out!

"LIVE WELL, LAUGH OFTEN, and LOVE MUCH".


Posted on Sat Jan 15 05:51:18 CET 2000 from spider-wg063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.48)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

To anyone interested:The use of the term "chops" has also evolved to include anyone who has a creative talent. Example, a good writer has chops, or a good painter, singer, etc. I had also always wondered where the term originated. Seeing Mitt's theory reminds me of the 1st time I read "On The Road" many, many years ago. Our heros frequented seedy jazz clubs and it was common for audience members to yell out "Blow!" during a good sax solo. That was my 1st exposure to the term in that context. I wonder if the term "chops" is in the book too?


Posted on Sat Jan 15 05:34:37 CET 2000 from jaxtnt1-217.fdn.com (216.199.4.231)

JC Bradford

From: Tunbridge,VT

Hey kids.....Rule #1 "Please send an e-mail to the person you are addressing if what you want to say is personal. Do not use the guestbook for personal messages." Can we be done? As far as whether Dylan or Hawkins was their major influence, the fact is that no matter where it came from...I look at both of them as being high school teachers to people who went on to graduate school. The total Band package was far more original in content and presentation than either of their "teachers". In a time where 20 min guitar solos were the norm the Band came out and strived every night to exactly duplicate their recordings. Watching Dylan"In Concert" beyond his days in the Village has been nothing short of a chore. Having grown up watching people lip sync on TV, the first time I saw them...at Trinity College, Hartford in '68 or '69... I spent the first half of the concert trying to see where their mouths didn't match the music. I was in total awe of their presentation, sound, purity. When you place on top of that the complexity of the chording and the content of the lyrics you have no choice but to put them far beyond either of the others.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 04:52:41 CET 2000 from ch1smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.61)

Blind Willie McTell

Diamond Lil,

What a great story! Lookin' forward to a song from the next album called "Manhattan Rick Danko" with the infectious 2nd chorus and the great 3rd verse.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 04:48:27 CET 2000 from dialin172.montreal.globalserve.net (209.167.12.173)

Kat Sermat

From: Montreal

Note to all you GB contributors/readers and Band fans who call Montreal or environs home (there must at least two or three more besides me):

Jesse Winchester will be performing at the Spectrum tomorrow night (January 15, not sure of showtime), along with Loudon Wainright III. This is Jesse's first Montreal performance in many years, and Loudon's very first. See the Related page of this site for details about the connection between Winchester and the Band.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 03:43:42 CET 2000 from alb1-as5200-43-43.termserv.net (208.20.67.43)

Diamond Lil

Ok. Picture this: T'was about 15 years ago...I had this old green Volvo...beat it into the ground. It drove _great_...as long as I didn't attempt to back up. It had no 'reverse' gear. Not a problem I thought when I bought it for a very reasonable sum of money. I'll just avoid any situations where I may have to back up. Yeah..right.

Anyone remember the parking situation by the now-defunct Lone Star Cafe in New York City? Heheh...I'll never forget it. You circled the surrounding streets of ehm..beautiful downtown Manhattan until you found a spot merely 12 blocks away from the club if you were lucky. Well...not being in the mood to play that game one night, I opted for parking in a "no parking" area directly behind the club. Hey..it was dark..and I figured... who'd care?...

Turns out _I_cared when I came out of the club later that night and found my only 'forward' route out was blocked by an army of garbage trucks....empty and tucked in for the night.

I panicked for a moment or two, and then decided that since men were born knowing what to do about any 'car' situation, I'd go back inside and ask Rick what I should do. And after he stopped laughing..he knew just what to do. He rounded up a few pairs of legs (thanks Charlie and Brady:-) and they all got in my car...told me to put in neutral...and out went their feet "Flintstone Style" as my car slowly but surely backed up. God I was impressed..and laughing so hard I was crying. Good ol Rick. Always lending a hand..or feet as the case may be.

If anyone out there smiled, then it was worth admitting my complete dysfunction when it comes to anything to do with cars. It's good to be able to laugh at what goes wrong in life. Thanks for listening. Goodnight everyone..and Yabba Dabba Doo :-)


Posted on Sat Jan 15 02:46:17 CET 2000 from ts1-7.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.7)

D.Smith

To Scott Larry Gowan is a Canadian Singer/songwriter who's been around for a number of years.The last i heard he had taken Dennis DeYoung's spot in some kind of Styx reunion tour.To Sundog I liked the photo's too but i don't know that it was necessary to post them more than once.Rick did look ill but he sure had a great smile.Now how about we discuss The Band and get away from all the vitriol.I came to the Band late,after viewing TLW on the tube one night about twenty years ago.Levon's Drums and the voices of the three vocalists were the first thing that grabbed me,you dont find those kinds of harmonies often and then it was the honesty of the music.Something todays stars don't seem to be able to duplicate.Am i' the only one starving for real songs with texture and feel and colour?The Band made that kind of music,now...well... all i can say is thank God for Tom Waits.Peace Doug


Posted on Sat Jan 15 02:03:12 CET 2000 from dialup-209.244.85.225.washington2.level3.net (209.244.85.225)

Jim Stampler

From: Washington, DC
Home page

(Mitt's husband typing here). As I understand it, the term "chops" was used among jazz musicians as a slang term for "lips." A brass player who could play fast must indeed have well- developed "chops." The term became generalized and used for anyone who could play well, even if their lips never entered into it. Thus either Rick or Robbie (or any Band member) could be said to have great "chops," though most of them don't use their lips to play. Garth being an exception, I think...


Posted on Sat Jan 15 01:41:45 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison Wisconsin.
Home page

As one person who wrote me said,,,,Sergie will detonate within the hour, and he was so RIGHT. Sergie please go to bed, and tell this to someone who cares, and the name SUNDOG, not 'SUNgod, has more respect than you could ever imagine to have, and yes, I work at the UW in Madison, and I will tell you anything you want to know about me. I also get the internet free of charge because of this. So does Ryan Stang, and all the students there. Thats why I have the same IP numbers here at home, or at the Computer Lab. I'm sorry that you've been burned, but people tend to love The Band, and when my web master borrowed pictures from The Band site, I'm sure he didn't think he was rip'n your arm out of its socket, its not like we were selling those photos, as you saw, it was a tribute, on a NON-PROFIT website, with a NON-PROFIT TV station WYOU...So please quit crying, and snibiling and except my deepest apologies for my stupidity of thinking that I,,, Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran,, could even get away with it. I can't pull anything over your eyes, and I'll aways be here to post, till I die, or (God forbid) the remaining Band members die, I won't go away...


Posted on Sat Jan 15 01:41:00 CET 2000 from ch1smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.61)

Blind Willie McTell

From: Toronto

Scott, re: Let It Rock.

I was fortunate enough to at Massey Hall in Toronto when Ronnie Hawkins held his 60th birthday party about 5 years ago. I will remember that evening forever, it was the last time that I saw Rick, Levon and Garth together. What a fun, fun evening it was!!

As far a Lawrence (Larry) Gowan goes, I believe played piano for Ronnie's Hawks in the late 70's or early 80's. He had a handful of hits in Canada during the mid-80's.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 01:34:39 CET 2000 from (208.11.92.2)

Bud

From: Cleveland

Cleary this website and its guestbook are home to quite a collection of disparate personalities. It's funny that the differences between us surface because of something we all share in common: we've all made the music of The Band part of our identities. It's only natural then that observations/opinions made about The Band or its music or its members (and I'm talking about observations/comments made without malice) are bound to be taken personally because somehow those observations end up saying something about one/some/all of us. That's why I think that answering David Powell's query is a valuable excercise. My story:

First of all, go back and read Ragtime's post. I tried to write this thing last night, only to give up and return today to find that Ragtime musta read my mind. I guess that means I should just hit what he left out.

I was born in 1971, so I had no significant real-time exposure to The Band. My parents love music, but my mom listened to Elvis and The Platters and Johnny Mathis records, and my dad is a big Hank Williams, Grand Ole Opry kinda guy, so there was no keeping up with the then-current acts in my household (I'm grateful for the musical exposure I had, however, as Hank and The King are still two of my favorites, and I dig all the rest). No one else of significant early influence in my life was listening to The Band, either. If not for "The Weight" and "Cripple Creek" on oldies or classic-rock radio (and that was none too often), I don't know when I would have ever been introduced to The Band.

I can't claim to have experienced love at first listen, because I can't remember the first time I heard either of those songs. I think they crept into my subconscious and waited to surface at a time when I would become excited about exploring new music. I think this because my earliest cognizant memory of "The Weight" is driving somewhere and singing with the radio and knowing most of the words, yet feeling as though I had just "discovered" the song for the first time. So I partly identify with the whole of The Band's music because I came to know it on my own, and it richly rewarded my efforts to find the best that music had to offer. I guess the other key part of the equation is what about those first two songs drew me deeper into the music in the first place.

Luckily for me, the first Band songs I heard passed my threshold "beat" test. At my time of discovery, I was most passionate about Chuck Berry, Aerosmith, Van Halen, and Motown. So at that time, for something new to catch my ear, it had to cook, have or at least be a lot of fun to sing along to. I may have (grievously) dismissed The Band outright if my first exposure had been to "Lonesome Suzie" or "I Shall Be Released." But hell, disco cooks and it can be a lot of fun, but there's an element of depth missing, so there's got to be something more. To me, "Cripple Creek" and "The Weight" offered both sophistication and simplicity. The music and the imagery were rich and wonderful, but so was the attitude. Without being preachy, those songs recognized the value in truckers and farmers and rural folks, the kinds of people my suburban friends would make fun of, but the kind of people who represented a significant portion my own roots. Those songs also reminded me of the Hank Williams songs my dad and I sang on long road trips.

So the things I relate to in the music of The Band are the things that I hope are in me. In a way, when I describe The Band, I am describing virtues that I aspire to. I want to be capable of sophistication and complexity like the music, but always find myself grounded in the simple, important things. I want to be uncompromising in the quality of the things I do, be unafraid to buck trends. When listening to The Band, you can hear it and its members being true to themselves. I can't always say the same about myself, but I'd love to be able to.

On an unrelated note, can anyone explain the origin of the word "Chops" as it pertains to a musician's ability? David Powell?


Posted on Sat Jan 15 01:22:37 CET 2000 from 56k-la-00-30.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.45)

Dave the Phone Guy

From: Lee Vining, Ca.

I know I can't put What The Band means to me? in words. If I could open my heart like a book to read maybe that meaning could be expressed properly and understood by others and myself. Yeah, What The Band means to me? resides in the heart. I'm lucky, I've seen practically everybody from the 60's till present. Not comparing anything, after seeing The Band they were everthing to me.They were IT. No tooping that, no way, no question. Absolute to me.


Posted on Sat Jan 15 01:04:11 CET 2000 from (209.167.110.181)

Serge

Me again for a few final comments before I Exit. Some people ask for permission to use my photos, and I always try oblige. Corcoran has a guy who, judging by the net id. is cranking out the sungod website for him out of the U. of Wisconsin I believe. Cheaper that way I guess. This dude chose to help himself to a little of everything from THIS site. I've been burned by too many bloodsuckers stealing my photos for their benefit, starting with Hoskyns and all the way to VH1. The matter has been rectified as far as sungod is concerned, I hope. For those who enjoyed his pix of Rick, that's fine...displayed once, maybe twice. But when those sad snapshots get ground in your face on a daily basis for a month, that's a different matter. By the way, I smelled a rat reading today's first apologetic post credited to Corcoran. It was too well written, good grammar and spelling. As far as the Chat Room is concerned, I work for a living unlike some obvious people, and don't get in until 6 pm.

I really don't know why I bother responding to this guy. Too pissed off I guess. Have a nice life everyone. As someone said, some of you should get one, and stop living your existence through someone else's.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 23:56:57 CET 2000 from proxy-343.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.43)

Scott

I think it's a darn shame the pictures will no longer be viewed. I thought they were a wonderful tribute........Hey, I just received "Let It Rock" from CD NOW. It's the cd of Ronnie Hawkins 60th birthday concert. It features 3 live songs from The Band (Remedy, The Weight and Rock'n' Roll Shoes), and one studio cut with them backing up Ronnie "Days Gone by". It sounds great. The disc also features Ronnie (of course) singing a bunch of songs, Carl Perkins, Jery Lee Lewis and Lawernece Gowan (Does someone khow who he is ?). Great combination of artists and the album is defenitely worth purchasing...I keep listening to "Days Gone By".....


Posted on Fri Jan 14 23:36:37 CET 2000 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

From: Moonbeam, Ont.

I'd just like to record a note of appreciation to Sundog for his pix. Sorry it turned out the way it did. Onward & upward.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 22:38:01 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

On the fathership/influence question, I'd say that there's no question that Hawkins is the father of the group, but that his musical influence of the Band's music (as the Band) must be rated as much less significant. Dylan was clearly an influence in some ways, but I'm inclined to agree with whoever made the point that the Band (as whatever they called themselves in the basement days) influenced Dylan too. (Both Robertson and Hudson can be read as trying to make that point in "Invisible Republic", but, as I see it, Marcus was too caught up in his own thesis to notice.)

It seems to me that Dylan's days in the '60s with the Hawks/Band can be divided into two phases: the tours and the basement. During the tours, Dylan was clearly the boss and the Hawks were there to add the power (and lots of it) to his songs. In the basement they were more like equals having fun playing songs they all knew, learning each other's songs and writing new songs together. To me, there is a much stronger similarity between what the Hawks were recording before ("Stones I Throw") and after ("Big Pink") Dylan than there is between "Blond on Blond" and "Self Portrait".

In closing, I'm glad that Sundog's photos show a guy that we all cared about smiling. If an overweight, underhealthy Rick can - why can't we?


Posted on Fri Jan 14 22:24:02 CET 2000 from 1cust166.tnt1.topeka.ks.da.uu.net (63.13.63.166)

Dexy

For some reason, I seem to get my Rolling Stone before the rest of you, so for the second issue in a row, here's the latest from Messrs. Wenner and Marcus (the article is by Greil): In the album review section, each issue they devote a review to the "RS Hall of Fame." This time (2/3/00), it's The Band, five stars (classic rating). As to be expected, very complimentary analysis, with each member getting equal time and the group itself getting full credit for its brilliance and iconoclasm. But, my favorite part is at the end, under "Further Listening." In addition to ROA and Moondog, it lists Jubilation, which I've been listening to again of late.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 22:05:49 CET 2000 from spider-ta017.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.18)

Lee

Hey, I just got tickets for Bobby Bland and Van Morrison who'll be playing in Manchester in March. This should be a killer show. These duo gigs are a great idea for the artists and audience. I recently read that Dylan may tour with Gordon Lightfoot and there is a possibility of UK shows. Excellent.

Would love to see some of those Joyous Lake shows. Hope they're still around in May.

Been listening to Ronnie's Rock & Roll Resurrection and The Giant of Rock N Roll (2 LPs on 1 CD) from One Way Records PO Box 6429, Albany, NY 12206 These guys also have Rick's debut solo CD on their catalogue.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 21:33:21 CET 2000 from du-tele3-050.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.50)

Peter Viney

Just before I came to the site and read David Powell’s post on James Jamerson, I was reading Charles Shaar Murray’s John Lee Hooker bio - and guess who played bass on “Boom Boom”. Also seems the young Dylan used to sit and admire Hooker (and cop his licks) in 1961, and that Hooker was asked by Grossman if he should sign Dylan, to which the reply was affirmative. Dylan went on to do two Hooker tunes with The Band in the basement, Tupelo and I’m In The Mood.

Parentage of The Band: Hawkins provided the flesh and blood, but Dylan provided the spirit that enabled them to utilise it as they did.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 21:10:27 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

I agree with the essence of Rick Kenworthy's statements on who is "the father" of the Band.

I think Rick touches on something here which goes to the root of the debate: the difference between fathering the Band as a unit (Hawks) and fathering The Band from a musical/thematic point of view.

One thing that TLW, regardless of any other flaws percieved as a Robbie/Marty project, is the breadth of influences that fed into the musical evolution of the group. There's no question that the Hawk is the man most responsible for bringing them together. As Serge so rightly points out, without Ronnie, the unit never forms.

Still, just as with a child, while our parents give us life and teach us the basics of being human (hopefully), other influences become prominent as we mature and develop our own personalities. It seems clear that Levon and The Hawks was about polishing and expanding the repetoire learned under Ronnie's tutelage.

However, as Sundog also rightly points out, without Dylan, it's arguable that the group would never have become what we know as the Band. In fact, if not for some racist cops in Arkansas and Sonny Boy Williamson's sad passing, we might be sitting here talking about one of the best Blues bands of all time.

To me, it seems logical to buy into the story of the group, which in 1965 was one of the best performing groups in North America, specializing in R&B, Rock and Roll and Blues covers. To me, Dylan brought to the group a certain songwriting ethic which was critical to the boys taking it to the next level. One could also buy into John Simon's inference (via Levon's book), that Albert's business mindset played a role, not only in it's initial commercial success, but much of the acrimony that led to "the fued" between Robbie and Levon (Simon is quoted by Levon as thinking (and I'm paraphrasing) RR fell under Albert's spell and it was Albert that led RR to some sort of Music Business "dark side," which in turn led to the RR's departure in 1976 (a theory, which to me seems colored by a certain breathless drama, but perhaps hinting at perceptions that affected the way Levon, at least, had about Robbie when he left).

That said, and getting back to the important musical stuff, I think Griel Marcus hints at something in "Invisble Republic" that makes some sense in this context. Dylan brought with him a certain understanding and affinity for American "folk" (in this case, meaning less the popular style of the 1960s, a la Peter, Paul and Mary, and more the exploration of darker rural themes found in places like Appalachia).

These same themes are found in the blues, with an obvious slant toward the experience of African Americans in the Delta which migrated up the Mississippi to Chicago and was electrified by folks like Muddy Waters). Clearly, the Hawks were very familiar with the thematic material of the Blues long before they met Dylan. But as Levon and RR have pointed out in various interviews, much of what Dylan was doing when he plugged seemed "wierd" to the Hawks. I like RR's quote, I think in coming home, where he says something like "Go electric? We didn't know what that meant" (again, paraphrasing).

I think Dylan saw something in the Hawks that he wanted in his own work: A certain energy (some would say violence) and less pretense than he'd found in the early-60s folk movement. The Hawks, in turn, found in Dylan, someone who raised the bar on thematic material and compositional sophistication. While Dylan explored a definite Blues orientation from the outset of his career, there is a definite bawdiness found in "Don't Ya Tell Henry" from the Basement Tapes that isn't in "Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat" written prior to his hooking up with the Hawks.

In the end, I think that Ronnie was clearly the biological father of The Band. Serge is right, nothing happens without his eye for talent and development of the group as a performing unit. Also, he's the prime guy responsible for molding the group's sophistication in R&B and Rock and Roll. Dylan however, is the catalyst to The Band itself. Comparing Robbie's songwriting with the Hawks to what he was doing by Big Pink seems to draw that line quite clearly. However, the influence does not stop there, as both Richard and Rick co-wrote major works in the Band canon with Dylan, and their subsequent songwriting styles seem colored by the same "Dylanization" that Robbie's is.

Garth and Levon are wildcards in the equation. With Dylan influencing the songwriting and freeing it from a stricter 3-chord blues base to more complex forms, the door was opened for Garth to really work his genius. The Dylan influence seems to move the group's aesthetic into an arena where Garth's rather exotic and advance harmonic concepts could really shine and drive the music in a way it could not in the more limited roadhouse stylings of The Hawks.

On Levon's part, my theory is that his return to the group probably congealed the whole thing. A brilliant drummer with a very unique sense of rhythm, and being the most firmly rooted by heritage and history in music from the Delta, Levon re-injected an energy that I think kept the Band from becoming overly self-conscious (a criticism which I think fairly describes Dylan's weaker efforts). I think that Levon "regrounded" the group to its roots an enabled it to finally mesh the themes and inventiveness that blossomed in the Basement of Big Pink with Dylan with the joy and gut-level energy the group honed under Ronnie.

Of course, as some would point out, I was not there, and it's merely conjecture. But in listening to a cross-section of the Band's/Hawk's musical history, it seems to make sense to this humble fan ; )

Have a great weekend all

Matt


Posted on Fri Jan 14 21:04:21 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Standing In The Shadows of Love

Rick Danko often cited James Jamerson, Sr., the legendary Motown bassist, as being a major influence on his bass playing. Last month, when the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame announced their upcoming inductees, a new category was created for "Side-men." Those great players, who stood in the shadows and often went uncredited except in the session logs, will finally get their just due.

The first group of inductees in this new category includes Mr. Jamerson, saxophonist King Curtis, drummer Hal Blaine, drummer Earl Palmer (often cited by Levon as a major influence on his playing) and guitarist Scotty Moore.

Mr. Jamerson is credited with paving the way from use of the acoustic stand-up bass in session work to the use of an electric bass, in his case the Fender Precision. This innovation, along with his distinctive technique, put the bass guitar up front in the rhythm section, adding snap & pop rather than just a muffled sound to the bottom.

Mr. Jamerson was one of the foundations of the influential Motown sound. Among the songs he is credited with playing on are "How Sweet It Is", "Ain't To Proud To Beg", "I Heard It Through The Grapevin", "What's Going On", "I Was Made To Love Her", "Bernadette", "Reach Out", "Baby Love", "Reflection", "Ain't No Mountain High Enough", "Dancing In The Streets", "Can't Help Myself", "Come See About Me", "Can't Hurry Love", "Keep Me Haning On" and countless others.

I can't express just how much I'm enjoying your postings on what the music of The Band means to you. Keep 'em coming--Do you believe in the magic of rock & roll?


Posted on Fri Jan 14 20:58:35 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

kerrilyn

Jon D: you may be invisible here, but when I go a few hours north to visit my mother, I always hear you. I remember growing up "listening" to you as well. But anyway I have a opinion that will sure to stir up controversy. Re the frontman of the Band. I didn't realize till I'd been listening to the Band music for years, and after reading Levon's book that Bob Dylan was involved with them at all. And as someone who never understood everyone's facination with Dylan I never thought it was a big deal. I'm sorry to offend any Hardcore Dylan fans out there. And I know you out there. It's not that I dislike him, I'm just indifferent. Maybe because I'm younger, I didn't get the whole folk/electric thing. I actually would like someone to explain why he so "influencial" maybe it will enlighten me. Anyway for me he was not even a part of The Band that I knew, neither was Ronnie for that matter. Although I like Ronnie, and the rock-a-billy music he played. The Band just outgrew him and wanted to expand, and who could fault them for that. I really liked the post below that likened the Band to a cyclone - nice imagery.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 20:36:22 CET 2000 from dialup-209.244.84.9.washington2.level3.net (209.244.84.9)

Mitt Stampler

From: Washington, DC
Home page

Oh, good grief. A few days after Rick's death I had a crisis of my own, so I hadn't stopped by the G-B recently. Finally I knocked off work early today, after staying till 2 am last night...I stop in here for some camaraderie and good cheer (what the GB has always, at least for me, been about) and find there's &*^%! squabbling going down...think I'll go sit in my bedroom with a some Jack Daniels and watch "Homicide" reruns on the tube.

That said...I've written this before, and some of the old-timers are probably tired of hearing about it, but as far as what the Band means to me...I'll tell the tale once more.

I rediscovered their music a couple of years ago. My father was a "Woodstock refugee"--my siblings and I always called him that. From what I've read from people who knew Rick, they seem to have been a lot alike--good-hearted, generous, idealistic--very much the "not trying to change the world, just help out the neighborhood" type. My dad often got frustrated with me and my siblings for being such cynical, depressed Gen-Xers who didn't always listen when he spun tales of Vietnam war protests and who knows what else, and don't even get me started on what I used to say when he started playing his scratchy old Dylan records ("Ezra Pound and TS Eliot? What the hell is that supposed to mean?") When I was little he'd sing me to sleep with his favorites--"The Weight," but he had to leave out the verse about Crazy Chester or I'd cry, "Rocking Chair," and The Grateful Dead. "Well the first days are the hardest days..."

Like most kids, I didn't appreciate him nearly enough, until I got a little older, and a little wiser, and a little sadder and a little happier...it's called growing up, I guess. But around the time that I wanted to sit down and hear all the stale old stories that I hadn't paid attention to the first time he told them, my dad developed bone cancer. He is still hanging in there, but the illness has taken so much out of him, physically and emotionally. And I wandered into the Guestbook, I guess, looking for a connection between myself and my dad, and I found it. My dad doesn't surf the net, but I'd print out especially interesting posts and send them to him. We'd talk about the "old times" that my Guestbook friends (Stan Landau and Paul Godfrey, I thank you both from the bottom of my heart) filled me in on. Finally I understood where he'd been coming from all those years, and what he'd been trying to tell me.

Sorry...I hadn't meant to get so emotional. But discussing Rick's death makes me even more grateful that through the Band's music I was able to reconnect with my dad in a way I'd never thought possible. Age, illness and death get all of us in the end, but I think what my dad was trying to tell me--and what, to me, the Band's music was all about--is enjoying the small moments, good times with friends, just the sheer joy of living. And to end, I'll quote my favorite line from my favorite tune of the Minnesota Mud Throat: "It frightens me, the awful truth/Of how sweet life can be/But she ain't going to make a move/I guess it must be up to me."

I hope I haven't offended anyone...and now it's off to "Homicide." Take care, everyone! Peace.

PS--Tim, I like the pics. Diamond Lil--you always know the right thing to say. Your children are very lucky to have a wise mom:)


Posted on Fri Jan 14 20:22:55 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison, Wisconsin,
Home page

Jan,,,MY 2 CENTS and Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran posts below have the same computer numbers, or what ever you call them. I didn't write none of those, and really don't care who did. I surely understand why you took off the pictures bar, and I would like to say with all due respect to you, 'that you gave into Sergie. I didn't think that he had such power over anyone here, especially you and on your own web site. Sergie wants to sue me for something he thinks I did. Dosen't that tell you something out loud about his nature?

Hes out to hurt people here, and puts up a front in the name of Rick, and then he wants people to believe its his way of grieving Ricks passing, does that make it OK?!? I truly don't believe that, and either do you. I just went chat room, and didn't like what I saw. Its way to easy to say "IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYBODY",,,will then, we all know who it is, its just that we can't say for a fact. The Fact is,,WE KNOW WHO IT IS! Thats one downfall of the net. You know and I know this wasn't about the pictures of Rick, I can send you and I have more than enough e-mail from people here, and around the world to prove that people want,,,and loved the pictures of Rick on Dec. 03 1999. Its amazing how many times I've been to the Kodak place to send people these photos, and I send them for free,,,out of my own pocket.

I will say that I forgive poor Sergie, but I'll say one thing, it sure feels good getting all the postive energy from so many of you out there because of Sergie's actions, and thoughtless manners, and thats a feeling that Sergie can't take away from me. I had my webmaster take down the Tribute to Rick on our website, cuz my webmaster didn't know that he may have placed one of Sergies photos of Rick there, will I hope hes happy now, its what makes him happy, and ALOT of people here told me that too! 'What a way to get your rocks off Sergie...


Posted on Fri Jan 14 20:12:32 CET 2000 from (129.237.44.126)

Ray Pence

From: Casper, Wyoming

I have some details about a recently added photograph of Robbie Robertson, Bob Dylan, and two "beat-intellectuals" at the City Lights Bookstore in San Francisco, 1965. The picture was posted on The Band website early in January 2000. The "beat-intellectuals" are Julius and Peter Orlovsky (wearing a hat and eyeglasses). Julius had a history of mental disabilities and had been institutionalized. Peter was well-known as Allen Ginsberg's partner and lover over many decades. He was a published poet in his own right and appeared on Ginsberg's "First Blues" album, along with Dylan. His talents were also on display during the 1975 Rolling Thunder Revue (Dylan, Ginsberg, and a cast of dozens). Thank you for letting me reveal that these "beat-intellectuals" do indeed have identities and histories.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 20:11:11 CET 2000 from (193.231.238.208)

BLACKBEERS Irish Music Band

From: Romania
Home page

BLACKBEERS is the first Romanian band to play Celtic folk.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 19:34:55 CET 2000 from spider-wd044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.169)

Rick Kenworthy

From: Toronto

I'm taking my time with the "What The Band means to me" question, coz the more I think of it, the larger it gets . . . but I want to put forward a response to the Who Had More Influence debate re: Hawkins vs Dylan. And I'd like to turn the whole thing around. I'm of the opinion that although Hawkins was the original Drill Sargent/Perfectionist regarding the basic learning of the craft, (strict, gruelling days of practise, etc.) the rapid growth in The Band's level of musicianship very quickly surpassed that of the Hawk. Ronnie's greatest single talent, outside of his showmanship, has always been as a talent scout and developer. But The Band were all determined/destined to become superior musicians; they were, quite simply, just That Good. Ronnie is the prototypical "Right guy at the Right Time" in this tale,(like Elvis and the Colonel, or the Beatles and Epstein) - his single greatest contribution being The Discipline.

The twist I'd like to hear back from everyone is my belief it was The Hawks that influenced Dylan, both musically and, dare I say it, lyrically. In my opinion, the hothouse years of 1966 thru 1970 were truly a communal growth stage for all concerned. Listen to Dylan's "New Morning" LP, his first effort without The Band. Tell me you can't picture Levon singing the title track, or Rick doing "A Man Like Me" or if you don't see some of Robbie's film influenced imagery throughout. (Perhaps a more musically inclined GB reader could support this theory with a look at the chord charts of Dylan's work pre and post The Band - I think there is a definite change in the level of sophistication in Dylan's musicianship - "thank you Garth")

Hawkins and Dylan were, if anything, "co-corralers" of The Band, riding shotgun on the cyclone they formed, but these boys were to the bone with it, right from the get go, and THEY influenced the very best of our times.

That's my short one - what they mean to me to follow. +++Dileas gu Brath (Faithful forever)+++ Rick


Posted on Fri Jan 14 19:22:36 CET 2000 from ip87-max7-lowell.ziplink.net (206.15.160.247)

Tim (SUNDOG) Corcoran

To the loyal readership of the Guestbook: Hey, I didn't start this war, I just returned the volley. I apologize to all those who were offended by the repeated posting of my Rick photos. I found them to be beautiful, and wanted to share them with everybody. I would also like to extend the olive branch of peace to my friend, and sometimes nemesis, Serge. Serge, I appreciate your opinion and value your judgement, but I was extremely upset by your very public assassination of my character. It amounted to a personal attack, and I felt I had to respond in kind. This unfortunate episode certainly lowered the standard of this amazing guestbook. I suggest that in the future you address your concerns to me personally, via the email address that always accompanies my posts. This will eliminate the possibility that I will have to defend myself publicly, without sullying the guestbook for everyone else. Peace to all. Thank you. -SUNDOG


Posted on Fri Jan 14 18:08:52 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.lndn1.on.home.com (24.112.158.228)

kerrilyn

What The Band means to me: A constant in my life. It's strange they are the only band that I continue to listen to as steadily as I did when I was 13. I don't even remember how I first heard them. I think it was when my brother (who's 12 years older than me) gave me about 200 of his old records. Many bands I'd never heard of before, I listened to them all and kept about 50, the rest got tossed. But The Band really stood out. TLW got played over and over. And I was determined to find out more about these guys. Saw the movie, found more albums etc. Now this was '83 and Duran Duran and the like were the thing for my age group. (God help us.) There was another girl at school, with older siblings that knew of The Band too. Everyone else thought we were nuts. And you know how young girls love "Rock Stars". She thought Robbie was the good looking one, no way, for me it was Rick. Now we only knew their images from TLW and that had been almost 10 years earlier, and technically they were old enough to be our fathers. But that didn't matter. I was thrilled when they reunited in the mid-80's and I actually got to see them (and a few times more since then). I have no idea what it is was about them that drew me in, but it's never gone away. That's a powerful hold, since I'm a very different person from when I was 13.

Now of course when I got to see them in the 80's they had aged, and didn't look as young and fit as in TLW. But I still loved them anyway. And that was 15 years ago and now they are even older. And it's easy for me to see Levon or Rick's pictures and think: wow they've really aged since I first saw them. So why is it harder to remember: wow I've gained 40 lbs since then and I've aged alot too. I don't think they would hold it against me, so I won't hold it against them. Every time I hear their music it still makes me feel like that 13 years old kid hearing them for the first time thinking: this is excellent music who are these guys? And that's a nice place to go back to.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 18:01:07 CET 2000 from ip87-max7-lowell.ziplink.net (206.15.160.247)

My Two Cents

From: The Hip

Jan, this site is incredible. Thank you.

I've been watching the Last Waltz religiously over the last few months. I've turned on dozens of friends to the majesty of The Band. I've cranked up Live 66 to the point where my neighbors know all the words by heart. I've worn out the grooves on Basement Tapes, and will probably need a new copy. I damn-near cry every time I pop in Breeze Hill. I smile as Robbie upstages Eric during the dueling solos on "Further On Up The Road". I wince as I watch an extremely melancholy Ricky Danko uncomfortably answer Mr. Scorcese about his post-Band plans. I've got The greatest of all Bands on my mind all the time, and that's a very good thing. It's Friday, and you can bet that Waltz will be played, and good friends will raise a glass to the spirit. Peace.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 17:40:47 CET 2000 from (204.38.165.142)

twilight

What The Band means to me? Sometimes my mind takes me back to the basement. People jamming - having a good time, getting through the pain, understanding that there's hope in the hearts of so many people, longing for the chance to be heard. The Band is the hope that brings us together, the joy we share when we cross each other's paths, it brings us together as a family. Tread lightly! I have been listening for 19 years, and it's always new. I listened a lot in the last month, then took all the discs downstairs and put them back on their shelves. Last night when I got home - I brought them all back upstairs again. It's unbelievably powerful stuff - and I thank those wonderful men for sharing it with us. Bless them all.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 15:15:31 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

What The Band means to me?

  1. Excellent melodies and playing.
  2. Great voices.
  3. Great lyrics and stories.
  4. No screaming guitars and flashy costumes.
  5. The music feels like home.
  6. A day without Band music is like a day without air.
Being away from home has made the music more impoortant to me if that's possible! By the way I feel the same way about Robbie's post Band work as well. The Band's music has taught me a lot about history and life.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 13:27:05 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: The Land Of Music And Meaning

What The Band's Music means to a classical buff...

Is it the rhythm? No, although it's full of rhythm...

Is it the melody? No, although it's melodic inventiveness is unsurpassed...

Is it the arrangements? No, although they had a wonderful way of arranging...

Is it the lyrics? No, although they seem poetry to me...

Is it the roots in American & Canadian history they explore? No, although I find it interesting...

Is it the wide variety of musical influences? No, although they have intergratewd them wonderfully...

Is it the sound? No, although there's no sound more characteristic than theirs...

Is it their popularity? No, we seem to be a "chosen crowd" nowadays, just as in the early days...

Is it the way they perform on stage? No, I had the privilege to hear them just once in my life (Voorburg, De Vliegermolen, 1971), although this was one of THE great musical experiences of my life (hearing Celibidache's Bruckner VIII in the Amsterdam Concertgebouw was another one... "Celi who?" -:)

Is it Robbie? No, although he's a great great guitarplayer and an even greater songwriter (on his own and in collabaration...)

Is it Richard? No, although his voice never ceases to touch my soul...

Is it Levon? No, although his drumming is absolutely fabulous...

Is it Rick? No, although he was the most positive force in The Band...

Is it Garth? Yes, errr, no, although his genius determined the sound of The Band...

What is it then? Well, I really wouldn't know... I think it's the heart and soul of these five men, together more than the sum of it's parts, that speaks to me...

eternally...


Posted on Fri Jan 14 10:54:40 CET 2000 from proxy-413.public.paix.webtv.net (209.240.197.13)

jhwygirl

From: I'm in a white-out right now, not too sure

re: Stanley Landau

Loved that last post, and can't wait to hear more. Give me more, more, more! :-)


Posted on Fri Jan 14 10:27:12 CET 2000 from du236-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.236)

Ilkka

From: The North Country Blues
Home page

Re: David Powell - What The Band means to me? Let me answer with a verse in THE RICK DANKO BLUES which I'm trying to write. A self-critical verse. It goes like this...

Dear Mr. Mythologist
Worshipping The Brown
Have your green woodland
Turned into ghost town?
Sorry, if I don't
Die with good taste.
At least
My time
Was no waste.

© Ilkka 2000


Posted on Fri Jan 14 07:40:17 CET 2000 from proxy-423.public.paix.webtv.net (209.240.197.21)

Marcos the Imposter

From: Monico

There is an original LP of Big Pink at eBay (reported to be in VG cond.). It has no bids & it's at $3. The eBay title of it is 'The Band SKAO 2955' (which is probably why it has no bids on it yet) & the item number is: 233109569. This has been re-issued but it's expensive & the cover (which is the European version) is terrible. Just for the record I am not the seller.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 06:39:32 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Ryan Stang

From: Madison, WI

Hey y'all, I've been racking my brain and fingers trying to figure out where I can get an old Lowrey Festival organ! Can anybody help me? My C-model Hammond is missing something, and it's the pitch-bending ability of the Lowrey!


Posted on Fri Jan 14 05:54:23 CET 2000 from internet-fw.dpws.nsw.gov.au (202.139.47.18)

Blindboy

From: Australia

I thought I would just add my thoughts to the debate. I fell in love with the Band's music back in 1976. It was the unique songs ,beautiful voices and the magnificent playing of instruments. I have never met any members of the Band, I have never seen the Band perform live. I just fell in love with the music. I wish I had the privelege to meet the guys or see them perform. So it is the MUSIC that matters to me. I can see that the Band means so much in so many different ways to a lot of people. Everybody should share their memories. But lets remember if it wasn't for the MUSIC we wouldn't have those special moments. Lets not argue in here...one thing is common amongst us all, we love The Band otherwise we wouldn't be in here.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 05:44:30 CET 2000 from ch1smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.61)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

What The Band means to me.

Next Monday marks the 30th anniversary of my Band epiphany… the day they went from being one of many good bands I liked to being far and away the best band in the world, indeed the best band ever.

Saturday night, January 17, 1970, 8th row center, Massey Hall, Toronto, an old concert hall with superb acoustics. Picture the black and white photo of the boys on stage in the spotlight on the sleeve of the brown album – that’s what it looked like. When they opened the show with This Wheel’s on Fire, I was stunned – as Garth broke into the opening organ riff, I thought they were playing the record. (Indeed a friend of mine who’d had a bit too much to smoke recently told me that for the first few songs, he seriously thought they were lip synching). This was The Band at its peak. They smiled throughout, clearly having a great time – the performance was superb. John Donabie, Serge, and Paul Godfrey were all there (and many others who have posted here as well I believe), although I don’t think any of us had ever met one other.

A couple of months ago I was at the library, and for the hell of it, I looked up the reviews of the concert from the Toronto papers on microfilm. I’ve scanned all of them as well as two articles about The Band that appeared the day of the concert. One of the writers, Jack Batten describes it better than I can. I will be e-mailing all of the articles to Jan, and perhaps he will see fit to add them to the articles page on this site. It’s very interesting to read them thirty years later. The concert took place about a week after the Time Magazine cover and it seemed everyone in Toronto was agog about the boys’ homecoming. In those days when you mentioned The Band nobody said “which band?”.

So what does The Band mean to me? Well, frankly, since that day, I ain’t been the same.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 04:35:19 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

From: NJ

What does The Band mean to me? Let's see---

We asked Rick if he would play at our wedding. He didn't know me or my wife from just about any other face in the crowd - And he came and played

What a night

What a memory

He lives and his music lives in my heart forever.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 04:10:11 CET 2000 from 1cust230.tnt2.monroe.la.da.uu.net (63.25.237.230)

Enoch Doyle Jeter

From: West Monroe, Louisiana

Just a short comment on the passing of Rick Danko... Rick played for my wife, Yvette, and I, at our club, Enoch's, in West Monroe, Louisiana twice in the mid nineties. We will never forget those magical nights, that beautiful voice, and the kindness of Rick Danko. We were able to have dinner with him on both occasions, and were completely amazed at how down to earth he was... he even called us at home one morning, simply saying "hey, this is rick!" He actually remembered that day was my wife's birthday, and invited us down to see and hear the Band in New Orleans that weekend... what a guy... We are still so saddened to hear of his passing, but will always cherish the memories... God bless Rick Danko, a sweeter voice will not be found in heaven. much love to Rick's family, and all his many friends... Doyle and Yvette Jeter


Posted on Fri Jan 14 03:38:26 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-29-221.termserv.net (208.20.67.188)

Diamond Lil

Knee-deep in snow and blustery winds tonight, which makes me think of why the Band's music has always touched me. There's a warmth there...a feeling of home, of kinship, of serenity, that I haven't found in any other music. Kind of like cuddling up with a favorite blanket by the fire.

And on that note, time for bed here. Have a good night everyone. And peace.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 03:16:31 CET 2000 from pm3-065.efn.org (206.163.180.65)

deb

From: oregon territory
Home page

Hey, does anyone out there have photos of the other Band members? Levon at his gigs? Garth? Richard when he was here? Robbie? I enjoy EVERY photo I have seen here and on home pages. Thanks all. And, while we are reminiscing, how about some anecdotes about the group and guys. Good memories? Happy times? Fun stuff? I know I have seen some of that on the chat room, how about putting it down for posterity here?


Posted on Fri Jan 14 02:52:49 CET 2000 from spider-wl014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.24)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

Hi everyone. The only thought I have is that I really, really enjoyed everyone's stories of meeting Rick and how sweet he was to kiss every lady's hand and play all the guys' requests. I never got the feeling that anyone was flaunting their encounters. I read them all voraciously and it made the pain just that much more bearable because through all of them, I felt a little closer to Rick. Remember, we all love the guys and their music. That's all that matters. Take care --Beth


Posted on Fri Jan 14 02:48:58 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73037.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.36)

Richard Patterson

From: St Catharines, Ontario

David P., I like this thread.

At first I thought it was the accents. I remember always being struck by the voice of Bruce Cockburn. I would ask myself, does he sound like a homeboy to me because I'm Canadian, or because he sounds like a homeboy to everybody? I think I always felt the same way about the Band. Now here we have someone from Atlanta initiating this debate because he feels he "belongs to the music", and my main identification is regional. Go figure. But this concept also brings me back to all the stories about Rick that we have heard in the last month. He always made you feel like _you_ were the most important person in the room. When I first met Rick I thought this vibe was exculsive to me, but now that I have read all the stories on this wonderful site in the past month, I realize that this was Rick's gift to us all.

In short, it has only been within the last month that I feel I could answer this question (and only after reading this guestbook daily). I think I feel we belong to this music because of the Band's insatiable generosity towards it's audience.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 02:04:25 CET 2000 from proxy-618.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.178)

Barry Gross

From: San Diego, Ca.

Can anybody tell me where I can get a CD of the music put together for PBS's (TV) Great Drives: Highway 61, hosted by Levon Helm? (1996) If so, Is it stereo quality?


Posted on Fri Jan 14 01:44:07 CET 2000 from jaxtnt1-5.fdn.com (216.199.4.19)

JC Bradford

From: Tunbridge, Vt

Scott, you've got the disheartening part right. I haven't been here in a few days and was in disbeleif catching up. Take a breath. The first time I listened to Caves of Jehrico I said to myself... those who wrote this wrote the music the Band played. I do not get the same feeling listening to RR music.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 01:32:29 CET 2000 from (209.167.110.135)

Interested party

Tolerance ? When the same stuff is in your face day in and day out for weeks? Gets old, depressing and annoying.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 01:22:20 CET 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

jhwygirl

From: the land of lots and lots and lots of snow

What does The Band's music mean to me? hmmmm, ...like... that subject.

The Band's music means love and understanding and sharing and caring to me. It has taken me through my life. It has helped me through the roughest of times, it has laughed with me during the best of times. It has cried with me with the loss of love, it has danced with me with the smile of a new love. I have found solace in the songs with the loss of a loved one. The Band has been with me for more than half of my life. It is my life.

My words will never express the thanks and gratefulness I feel towards ...all... of those guys, but they definately receive my love and blessings every day I turn on my stereo.


Posted on Fri Jan 14 00:51:55 CET 2000 from proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.63)

Scott

Wow, this is extrememly disheartning. .... Let's see. What is the definition of the word tolerance: "Sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own". Please write this down and memorize it. If someone wants to use this forum to send pictures of Rick as a tribute, well more power to you. If you disagree, see the aforementioned definition and memorize it. Creative thinkers is one thing. Using that creativity for attacking others to show how sarcastic you are is just sad......David, What does The Band's music mean to me ? As individuals, they all played for the love of music, from the heart. When it was brought together as a group, they enhanced that gift in each other, creating the most soulful music I have ever heard. The blending of the voices, the instrumental interplay,the arrangements, the songwriting, it all oozes with gut wrenching emotion. That combined with their musical ability just amazes me. Even their cover material has that same value. I have never heard another group or singer take a song and make it their own so completely. You can hear their pure love of the music. I think they offer that to us better than anyone else. I never get bored of the music. Never needed a break from it, and it's the only music I have never taken a breather from..... The other thing which has attracted me to The Band is their "country" attitude. I have always loved the country, the mountains and upstate NY and connected their music with that interest of mine. For me it just matched up with that love of the mountains , which I have had since I was a small child. Taking a hike in the woods or a walk down a one lane country dirt road gives me the same kind of peace of mind that their music does....Oops, didn't mean to ramble on....


Posted on Fri Jan 14 00:12:32 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

I like The Band's music because it sounds good and doesn't have piles of screaming guitars.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 23:52:54 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

From: texas

hey you guys, happy new year,


Posted on Thu Jan 13 23:42:34 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Dear John Donabie-

I'm sorry, I wasn't pushing you aside, and you surely are not invisable. Please read the begining of my post 'Tues. Jan. 11 20:39:40. It says, and is very clear, 'MY OPINION, and at the end of that same post reads, 'My OPINION, which means just that, or the way I choose to see it. What more can I tell you, its the way I see it! BTW, your post are so cool, and you seem very calm and understanding to alot of things, and I admire you for that! You are very admirable in your writings, and say things from your heart, don't lose that insight, its a gift!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 23:07:24 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-44-140.termserv.net (208.20.67.140)

Diamond Lil

It's been a long, emotional month for all of us..and I think it's time we take a collective deep breath and _think_ for a moment. When we start abusing the very people we turned to for comfort not that long ago, it's time to get a grip on our own feelings and emotions. Rick's death could've ripped us all apart..but yet it somehow brought us together in grief and in love and in friendship. Please let's not lose that now. _Please_.

Jan? Please. Say something...


Posted on Thu Jan 13 22:44:49 CET 2000 from du-tele3-048.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.48)

Peter Viney

Magazine monitoring: Thanks to Lee Gabites for an excellent and heartfelt eulogy to Rick in the latest “Isis” magazine. Derek Barker of Isis also did a good companion piece.

I’m not so sure about the latest Mojo obituary (Feb 2000). I’m sure Barney Hoskyns meant it sincerely, but I believe he should look up the words patronising and condescending in his dictionary.

As to the latest contretemps, read Matt K’s wise words.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 22:25:51 CET 2000 from pm3-144.efn.org (206.163.180.144)

deb

From: oregon territory
Home page

What does The Band's music mean to me? Here's a partial answer: Much of the music explores ourselves in a historical context. For example, "Acadian Driftwood" is a song about the Acadians who were literally kicked out of Canada a couple of hundred years ago (I believe). They were the underdogs, the poor, the homeless, and they travelled straight down to settle in the Missisippi Delta area, where they were known as Cajuns. Their music, culture, and food combined with all the other influences to create a rich heritage which still flourishes. I hope I have most of this right; I am recalling from memory in a Robbie interview I read many years ago. Any music that can teach you, make you learn or question, or make you happy, has to be good, and The Band's many compositions (no matter who wrote, sang, played on, or whatever) all speak to those facets of life. Long live the music!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 22:16:10 CET 2000 from 1cust187.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.187)

Damon Z

From: Floral Park, NY

My apologies if anyone found my post "mean spirited" or "offensive." If Rick was indeed not inebriated in those photos as stated by the person who took them then he looked in very poor health. (Or perhaps I need new glasses since so many of you seem to enjoy those photos.) I never knew Rick personally not do I pretend to have known him. I am glad to hear that at least one person that was close did make some effort to help. (It certainly wasn't the person who mailed him the heroin during his tour of Japan.)


Posted on Thu Jan 13 21:51:27 CET 2000 from trt-on32-64.netcom.ca (207.181.80.192)

John Donabie

YA SEE! I'M INVISIBLE.! IT'S GREAT!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 21:46:36 CET 2000 from 206-57-105-15.nas2.mon.gblx.net (206.57.105.15)

Lars

From: Upstate NY

DAVID: what has attracted me to the Band's music is that I never get tired of listening to it. As I grew up, I always had a favorite band (who didn't?) that would draw my attention for a while, then I would slowly get my fill of them. The Band, on the other hand, is like a love affair where the love just keeps growing stronger. I listen to them every day. I NEVER get my fill.

I've tried explaining to my family (who are, to be honest, quite tired of Band music because it's always on in the car) that my need to hear the Band is like my need to eat a good meal. When I'm really hungry I don't want cotton candy. I want something substantial to fill the void. I've tried to explain how important it is, but my kids don't believe me and my wife thinks the old brain got hit a few too many times in it's youth.

That's why I tried to get to so many shows when the Band was together. I've travelled hundreds of miles to see them, usually getting a B&B for the night, then going home the next day. If Band music is being played, I want to be sitting there listening. The Band endures.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 21:43:49 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Open your Hearts!

Franko:) Thanks for your post, but I didn't start that little beef as I recall,,,its over and done, if 'you want to make Ricks passing a Roasdside Memorial, then go ahead, I call it a Tribute to a wonderful man that played to the end, I just happened to have a camera with me, and permission from Rick to take alot of pictures, and even walk on stage to take them, Serge who?!? :^]

I've said all I'm going to say and this matter. The only way I will not put up pictures of Rick is if Jan takes off the link bar, he did it with my pictures before, and he can do it again, so please e-mail him with any complants. I bet if they were Jan's pictures, no one here would say a thing, you all would be sending him complements, and all of you know this to be true...


Posted on Thu Jan 13 21:38:19 CET 2000 from trt-on32-64.netcom.ca (207.181.80.192)

John Donabie

From: Toronto

Diamond Lil once wrote me and asked me why I don't post that often. I think yesterday shows you why. I asked a number of questions to Sundog and got no answer. I thought they were legitimate questions. At least Serge got reaction. As to Mike's comments regarding looking back over the questbook....

Mike from Oregon writes..."Well, it didn't take long, did it? I thought it was too good to last. Shame. If you look back over the GB archives the last couple of years, you'll notice that when certain people showed up things got nasty. Check it out. It's no surprise that things have turned mean spirited here just lately."

I will assume that that's a shot at Serge. Mike when you ask thinkers to hold back their piece, no matter how it's stated, you stop the creative flow of opinion. As Popeye once said, "It's all I can stand, cause' I can't stands no more." In the case of Sundogs pictures, I know that Serge found them to be self serving. I agree with the person who said that there is a picture section at this wonderful site. Put them there.

Everyone grieves in their own manner. If this was Sundog's way, pure of heart, no one can fault him. If it was, "look at me.....I'm with Rick" that's another thing. Especially because of the timing. As I said, everyone grieves differently. Some have used this site like a psychiatrists couch. Others in different ways.

What we need now is a man I like to call Mr. Switzerland. In times of war he never gets caught up in the B.S. He is eloquent beyond words. I think it's time for a few words from David Powell.

I do however don't want to leave without saying that I believe that Serge has a place on this site. The moment someone says they "don't want certain types" around. Well, there goes the neighborhood. The nice thing about my post is that no one ever reads them anyway, so carry on.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 21:32:53 CET 2000 from spider-wc032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.32)

Linda

From: N.Y.

Dear Bones.. I couldn't agree with you more ! I just finished e-mailing D_'Lil, stating how I wasn't going to post for a while and saw yours'. As I wrote in an e-mail to one mean soul , didn't your mother tell you if you haven't got anything to say say nothing at all. I don't know about everyone else but I'm listening to my mother.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 21:08:19 CET 2000 from cic-proxy02.firstunion.com (169.200.25.141)

Bones

From: CT

Sometimes I wonder if it is really worth it. Yesterday, I decided to post a personal conversation where Rick was praising Robbie and Robbie was going to Woodstock to visit with Rick. I still like thinking of them as brothers(all of them). Today, I read all these mean-spirited posts, and it just wears me down.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 20:55:47 CET 2000 from d276.as0.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.217.24)

MJD

From: Stevens Point WI

Great pics Sundog....


Posted on Thu Jan 13 20:41:16 CET 2000 from gw33.telekomus.com (206.2.196.66)

Band Thought

From: New York

Twilight, are you sure the answer to the guitarist quiz is Michael Bloomfield?

Final answer?

Would you like to use one of your lifelines?

How about a phone call to David Powell?

Yeah, it is the great Michael Bloomfield. John


Posted on Thu Jan 13 20:27:14 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

David Powell, what an excellent idea.

As I've stated before, I found myself listening to The Band through the back door. Having been born in 1966, I missed out on the group in their pre-TLW era, which is the music I feel most connected to in the group's long history.

Having come to The Band as a Robbie fan first, initially I was most taken with the songs. Song credit debate aside, I do feel there is an unmistakable voice in the songs he wrote and the Band recorded, a certain flavoring to the narration, a definite twisted sense of black comedy, and real passion and sense of realness to things. Where so much of rock and roll seems to be about glorification, testosterone and cliche's, even 30+ years later, The Bands music seems fresh and seems to recreate itself everytime I hear it.

To me, this is so much of what life represents: imperfect endings, humor and angst mixed and indiscernable, a sense of belonging and a sense of alientation. Through great writing, sublime musicianship and a real sense of musical unity, the original five do something that very few bands can: express the heighest aspirations of musical and creative expression without venturing too far into the traps of self-aggrandizing or self-obsession. You just get the feeling that they are the audience and we're the one's putting on the show which is expressed in a kind of fun-house mirror: the music itself.

Matt


Posted on Thu Jan 13 20:21:01 CET 2000 from 216-164-226-67.s321.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com (216.164.226.67)

Jon Lyness

From: New York City

David Powell, I am going to follow your lead. You asked what made people feel the music of the Band "belonged to them" -- an excellent & interesting topic. I could list a million things, or try to explain it in lots of different ways, but if I had to choose _just_one_thing_ I will always come back to the voices. In Richard, Rick and Levon, the Band was gifted with three incredible singers (no kidding!). Their voices seem to combine an authority and experience, and at the same time a fragility and a humbled, childlike essence. There's something in that paradox that is so human to me and that I relate to, and few singers have even come close to it or moved me in the same way.

Anyone else?


Posted on Thu Jan 13 19:25:25 CET 2000 from server1.nabco.cave.net (216.28.202.146)

greg

From: columbus,oh

touche, sundog!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 19:09:46 CET 2000 from node44.ny.aol.com (223.14.06.11)

Oldtimer

From: Ol' Virginny

Thanks for a wonderful web site.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 19:02:31 CET 2000 from spider-tj042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.192)

franko

From: boston

Sundog:

I know this isn't PC, but I agree, more or less, with Serge. Every time I come to this GB (and I have come here virtually every day for the last 2 years) and I see your posts w/Rick pictures, I get pretty depressed. I'm not sure if this is because of how he looks in some of them, or the realization that within a few short days of the pics he would be gone, or just that I want to remember him differently. I don't know. But I'm trying to get over my depression, not extend it.

In a way, I liken your frequent posting of pics to the roadside memorials for those who have lost their lives in traffic accidents; they serve a real purpose for a time, but, after awhile, they cease being a memorial and turn, for me, into something morbid. And now, my sense is that you plan to post as frequently as possible, just to stick it to Serge. I hope this isn't the case.

Unlike the big oak tree by the bend in the road, this website offers an alternative - a Pictures section. As you know, there are many wonderful pictures there, and, in my opinion, your photographs serve a purpose and belong there as well, if Jan chooses to include them.

Please don't make this guestbook your personal roadside memorial to Rick.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 18:14:14 CET 2000 from spider-wc051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.41)

Mike

From: Oregon...(Well, I live here)

Well, it didn't take long, did it? I thought it was too good to last. Shame. If you look back over the GB archives the last couple of years, you'll notice that when certain people showed up things got nasty. Check it out. It's no surprise that things have turned mean spirited here just lately. Life's too short. Haven't we at least learned that over the last month?

Thanks again to all who shared your thoughts. Reading your collective memories of Rick and The Band has been a great healer during this time. It seems I'm noticing things in the music I missed before. Odd bass patterns that somehow fit just right. Off the wall harmonies that are so clear and strong that you really can't imagine the song without them.

Thanks again Jan, for a great site. I'm sure the sheer volume of the last month has been a tremendous load. Thanks for keeping it up and running at a time when it meant so much to a lot of us.

For what it's worth, I was looking through Levon's book again, and the deer roadkill story about Rick cracked me up...AGAIN! The picture I have in my mind of Rick standing there, arms outstretched, completely covered in deer dung..."C'mon, guys...PLEASE?" I wish I could've been there. It's a good campfire story. A great memory. A great guy. Happy New Year everyone.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 18:13:40 CET 2000 from (204.38.165.142)

twilight

In the end, Rick will be remembered by each of us in whatever way we choose to remember him.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 17:27:54 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

SUNDOG

Thanks Matt, and DITTO from me Gypsewoman


Posted on Thu Jan 13 17:21:53 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

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Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison, Wisconsin
Home page

WOW! I awoke this morning and was overwhelmed by the amount of e-mail and support I recieved from most of you! I had no idea that Sergie was so 'unkind to so many of you! One person even said he is like that on his good days! Gee,,,I'd hate to see him on his bad days! Anyway,,,I will take the advise of all of you and that is to just blow him off. "I guess The Bands music is even worthy of being liked by the likes of him".

11kka, thanks for your support on your last post, and all the rest of you too! I'm proud to have gotten some of the last pictures of Rick, but things happen for a reason. I'm really sorry that Sergie didn't get the chance to add them to his credits, and add them to his mountain of ego!

I also want to make this very 'CLEAR...To the clueless person,,,Rick was NOT intoxicated in ANY of these pictures,,,the picture above is Rick telling a very funny story, and it had EVERYONE including the bartender, cracking up, so get a grip.

Damon Z,,,take a pill before you look at the pictures that put 'a repeated shock your system, or just skip them!

sp4050,,,Then stay with Sports Illustrated if Ricks pictures are so disturbing to your eyes, its Rick and Rick only, you are just to cool for reality, and blind to boot.

The pictures of Ricks Dec. 03rd show were sent to the webmaster 'Jan,, on December 05th 1999, days before Ricks untimely passing,,,I sent e-mail to certain people here; (and they know who they are) to get the first look at them before Jan posted them on The Band web site. Jan posted Ricks pictures at about the time of Ricks passing, Dec. 09th 1999. There wasn't much anyone could do about that fact, not even Jan, as we were all in shock at that time. And yes, I admit that I post them every time I post here, so get use to it!

Richard P. I'll will stay on my Sunnyside, and thank you! And thank you 'Lil and Deb!

Sergie,,,you lie about my guessbook, it was you. I'm a fan of Rick and all the other members of The BAND. You are the one that is 'obssessed, you even put censored on your pictures of members of The Band, and stand there with such glory, no one can be as cool as you Sergie, its you and you only, you are 'The Band Man! You are the 'Band Master on all levels and you've been there, and done it all,,,I salute you Sergie. Everyone that a bow for Sergie! Thats all I will feed to your pompous head, you drain me of positive energy.

I truly hope to God that I'm not the cause to you Sergie revisting this wonderful site, and if I'm,,,I so sorry to the rest of you regulars here.

I will be posting new photos of Rick here very shortly!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 16:56:53 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Just a thought folks, but if Tim's pix bothered anyone, why take part in a virtual lynching of Sundog. I have no feeling one way or the other about his pictures, but clearly Rick meant something very important to him, and who are any of us to criticize the manner and method of his grief in such a belittling and unfair manner.

I find it very disheartening that (assuming Serge is correct) a number of people felt that it was more mature to complain to Jan or start another GB war to get their way.

If you did not like Tim's pictures, or if they disturb you, then why not e-mail Tim and ask him politely? Does anyone here really believe this is the mature way to handle this?

I do agree with Richard Patterson, however, Sundog, it's too easy and self-defeating to engage venom with venom. I've made that same mistake in here recently and took my own break from the GB procedings to get some perspective. Remember, Tim, it's only a website, and while you may develop some wonderful relationships here, the general angst and the tendency to take things personal here doesn't always make it the best place to bear your chest--unless you get some distance, you're likely to find a few knives plunging in for the kill.

Peace all...please...

matt


Posted on Thu Jan 13 16:42:16 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

"When people hear that music, they get a feeling that they belong to the music and the music belongs to them."

When Sarah Ophelia Colley, better known as Minnie Pearl, made that statement, she was talking about country music, but she might just as well been describing the music of The Band.

What is it about this music that has attracted so many people of all ages from all over the world? There's something universal at the heart of its charm. The songs of The Band are stories that sound so familiar, so lived in, that they ring true.

When "Music From Big Pink" first came out, I sat down to listen to this amazing music for the first time. The sound of three beautiful voices, exchanging lines, jumped out at me. What I heard reminded me of listening to my uncles, sitting around the parlor, swapping stories about the "old days."

Recently, a sad occasion has brought many here together in the Guestbook. I would be interested in reading comments from everyone regarding what they have found in this music that makes them feel like they belong to the music of The Band.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 16:24:50 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

***sigh***

so much for keeping things civil and respecting each other....


Posted on Thu Jan 13 16:24:26 CET 2000 from spider-wg011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.21)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Gypsewoman: To quote a famous classic rocker:"You took the words right out of my mouth..."


Posted on Thu Jan 13 16:03:50 CET 2000 from gw-us1.philips.com (205.167.14.34)

Chris Van Note

From: Auburn, New York
Home page

I am looking for an original copy of "The Last Waltz" poster. VG to mint condition. If you or if you know of a website that would have one for sale, please drop me a line. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Chris


Posted on Thu Jan 13 16:02:14 CET 2000 from (203.197.122.104)

Supratik Chaudhuri

From: Calcutta

It was almost 4 years ago when I came across TLW at a store here in Cal. I was entering the world of 60s & 70s rock at that time but I hadn't yet heard of The Band (not surprising considering where I live). But the names of some of the artists on it were known and so I bought the album.And as soon as I played it, I was completely blown away...by the sheer intensity and richness of music that was there. Here were guys who were playing music that had such a down-to-earth simple feeling and yet at the same time could be rich,beautiful and so enthralling. That love affair has continued and shall continue till I die. I have been able to get my hands on almost all their albums available in India (a very meagre amount ) and I'd give anything (well almost !) to get more stuff on and of the Band. They were the greatest, without any doubt. Regarding the discussion on right now on the GB, I think the whole picture is rather fuzzy to actually come to any concrete conclusions. When you have a great band you have creative ideas being tossed around all the time.Everybody has an equal input whatever his role be. Mebbe when it came down to putting down the words on paper RR took a lead while the others gave ideas and extra inputs.I also feel that some people have been painting RR in a rather uncharitable light. If he was clever and talented enough to be succesful in the post-Band days and if he managed to safeguard his interests properly,it definitely wasn't his fault. In the end you have to make your own decision and nobody can dictate you.And guys lets not fight here.We all love the Band and we are all part of the fraternity.Pax Vobiscum....Supratik


Posted on Thu Jan 13 15:49:53 CET 2000 from xcdfdc7be.ip.ggn.net (205.253.199.190)

Gypsewoman

Damon Z: I don't want this to be a nasty post...as I try to stay away from nasty debates, but did you know Rick? How do you know that people close to him didn't offer their help. I for one, was a friend of Rick's and spoke to him about his habits and weight problem and I know that other people close to him tried to help in many different ways. Don't assume anything unless you know for a fact or you make an ass out of yourself. He was a 56 year old man and lived life on his terms. I miss him beyond words and take offense to SOME people thinking they knew him or his friends when they didn't. Enough said.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 15:47:04 CET 2000 from (204.38.165.142)

twilight

Micheal Bloomfield.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 14:50:24 CET 2000 from gw33.telekomus.com (206.2.196.66)

Band Thought

From: New York

From the archives of The Great Guitarist Quiz Volume V (I-Jeff Beck, II-Ry Cooder, III-Clarence White, IV-Amos Garrett)

Who Am I?

Never in a "pickle" for a riff, you could look East or West and not find a player who could build such tension and release into his music. I also shared the stage on occassion with that guy that hung out with The Band; without question I am one of the early contributors to the folk-rock sound. But you know, that ain't my forte.

Who Am...hey, wait a minute! Paul, come over here, man! Look who just walked through the gate! Oh, it's great to see you good buddy! Grab a bass Rickey and have a seat, we've got some jammin to do!

Who Am I?


Posted on Thu Jan 13 10:30:41 CET 2000 from du139-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.139)

Ilkka

From: Nordic Countries
Home page

I support Sundog's posting those pictures - for me as legendary, historic and revealing as Serge's pictures (and thanks to YOU, too). There is no one thing without another. Paradoxally, Tim's pictures made me love the man and the music even more.

Site owners' intentions and responsibility are a dilemma in *Internethics*. Do they want the confortation to be as pleasant as possible, neutral or even provocative. Do they want to let the things happen or do they want to control over every single detail - how much, when, where, why, how often, for whom.
One thing is sure: when The History of Internet will be written after one hundred years or so, this site can't be missed! (Hi Mr. Professor in the future, keep the good work.)


Posted on Thu Jan 13 10:26:02 CET 2000 from a-202-43.sp.neu.edu (129.10.172.143)

Noah Schaffer

From: Worcester, MA
Home page

Re: the comments on Eric Burdon's VH1 "Behind the Music" and the House of the Rising Son: If a song is "traditional", the arranger winds up getting ALL of what would otherwise be the songwriting royalties. That's why the organist of the Animals made so much $$ off the tune--it was like he had written it. This amount wouldn't apply to the arranger of a song that wasn't traditional, so if RR is credited with songwriting, he gets the windfall, regardless of how much the other Band members helped with the arrangement. A side note: the fact that the arranger gets credits for "trad" songs has resulted in more than a few tales of songs that weren't traditional being listed as such so someone could make a few extra bucks!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 08:27:04 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison, Wisconsin
Home page

Sorry I upset so many of you.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 08:03:58 CET 2000 from spider-wo051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.41)

Dennis 'n (Wanda couldn't make it...)

From: Beautiful 'n about to be snowy West Saugerties, N.Y.

Just back from tonight's Barn Burner's show at Woodstock's Joyous Lake: a definite A-. For those of you who can make it, this is a fine, and finally well rehearsed blues band.

These shows are a transition and worth the effort to observe: I couldn't help but note that on more than one occason this evening, the lead guitar play looked over at Mr. Hudson with a look of "huh?" Those in the audience knew: this was Garth playin' his version...

I've seen two of the Barn Burner's shows: the first and this evening's; Garth has played at the last three. Neither of the gentlemen spoke nor sang a word. However, Neither of these R'n R Hall of Famers needed to be heard, their presence was enough.

I can't stress enough to you "Band" fans: these shows are worth seein'...they ain't much, but as we get older, these blues show become more 'n more important.

Hope to see ya NEXT Wednesday... ...Dennis


Posted on Thu Jan 13 07:53:28 CET 2000 from 2cust106.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.133.234)

Damon Z

From: Floral Park, NY

I'm afraid I have to agree with Serge on this one. I first saw the photos in question posted by ****SUNGOD**** the night before Rick's death and was admittedly amused at first because he was obviously very smashed. Upon further scrutiny however I realized he looked positively ill and extremely unhealthy. The next day's news saddened me greatly but came as no surprise. Rick had been going down this path for some time and it's unfortunate that he didn't use his incarceration in Japan to seriously assess his overindulgences and resolve to change his personal abusive habits. It is also sad that those close to him did not offer to help in this regard for maybe if just one person did he'd still be with us today and The Band might be touring and recording at some time in the near future.

At any rate, I was distressed to see the photos remain on the website after Rick's passing and greatly relieved when they were finally removed from the "What's New?" section a short time thereafter leaving only the stage shots from that show which weren't too bad. However, ****SUNGOD'S**** relentless re-posting of them in the Guestbook came as a repeated shock to my system. It seems that his unbound enthusiasm for finally meeting his long-time hero has caused an incurable lapse in good taste. Most of us, I think, would prefer to remember Rick in happier and healthier times.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 07:09:16 CET 2000 from pm3-002.efn.org (206.163.180.2)

deb

From: oregon territory
Home page

Not everyone can stay young, skinny, and cute for their entire life. We are all subject to the ravages of time and living. What is neat about Rick (an observation, for I did not know him personally; I only know what

I see and read) is that he was a kind and happy person whose spirit projected beyond the bounds of the physical body. It seems like he affected everyone he knew (and did not know) for the better, and that is a pretty special legacy to leave for the world.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 05:55:04 CET 2000 from spider-tl063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.203)

sp4050

Serge, I agree these photos are in poor taste. Reminds me of the photos in Sports Illustrated of the baseball umpire who died during a baseball game with the "death mask" on. Why show people that? It's just disturbing!

Bill, your comments have always been on target and you have asked some innocent questions that the average person would have about the music business and you have shown some interesting observations and comparisons.

So keep on writing and dont be too bashful about it!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 05:53:46 CET 2000 from dm2c81.bell.ca (198.235.69.171)

JEFF RIEHL

From: LONDON,ONTARIO,CANADA

IT IS AWESOME!!!!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 04:43:39 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

From: N.Z

Serge is back! And he does have a point.

Back to writing credits. If LH was so upset by some of the writing credits (and we don't know what songs these are for) then why in the 80's and 90's didn't they perform more of the songs that he, RD and RM get credit for. Strawberry Wine, Jemmima Surrender, Blues for Breafast, Bessie Smith never seemed to be performed at all even though they're all excelent songs. Better than Cripple Creek and The Weight IMHO. I guess you have to play what people want to hear but then why not drop the likes of Handjive and Blaze of Glory?


Posted on Thu Jan 13 03:16:03 CET 2000 from alb1-as5200-30-30.termserv.net (208.20.67.30)

Lil Again

Thank you Serge for your second post. I realized after reading it that "confusing" the person and the photos was easy to do so soon after Rick's death. I know you loved him too Serge, and will remember him for his heart and his laughter, as I will....


Posted on Thu Jan 13 02:47:26 CET 2000 from spider-tj013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.178)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

MattK-I was about to correct you re: producing credits on NLSC,an album close to my heart. For 25 years I thought that the credits said "all songs written AND produced by RR". However, a quick check shows The Band as getting the production credits. This alone must add up to a considerable amount of $ I recently watched a VH1 Behind

The Music episode on Eric Burdon. One of the main bones of contention among members of The Animals was:early in the band's career they recorded the famous House of the Rising Sun. No writing credits involved as it was already a folk{I think} standard. However, somehow the keyboard player wound up with sole production and arranging credits and rapidly became a multi-millionaire. To this day, of course, he reaps great financial rewards from this, a song that they completed in minimal takes in a matter of hours. The other members contend that the arrangement was something they all took part in. This story can be repeated forever in the history of rock groups, and other musical genres as well. But I thought it was worth relating with the current GB debate. Another thing-unrelated but relevent-I'm seriously considering changing my handle to Peaceful Bill. I despise seeing nastiness raise its ugly head in this GB and always feel compelled to say something when it appears. Naive as it sounds, people should get along.As adults{although I have read some good posts by teenagers} we should have learned this basic fact.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 02:45:42 CET 2000 from (209.167.110.169)

me again

Thank you Medecine Hat. My bitch is with "those" photos...DAILY! Even the webmaster removed one of the original entry of those pics, after many emailed and complained. After a while they start to get on one's nerves.

Lil don't confuse photos and the person. I knew Rick well, and loved him too.

Corcoran: I really don't know anything about your "guess" book. Take a rest.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 02:36:02 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73052.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.51)

Richard Patterson

From: St Kits

Sundog: Whoa, cool down Sundog. This is a lot of venom from someone who calls himself a Deadhead. Let me remind you of the basic premise of the Dead community, "NO CRITICISM !". This should apply to any discussion of who is the "father" of the Band (be it Ron or Bob) _and_ anyone who disagrees with our opinions. BTW Jerry would probably tell you to let insults slide off your back.

I must admit that when I first saw your Rick photos I was very alarmed at how poorly he was looking. I saw him in May of last year in Niagara Falls and I was surprised at how he looked then, but of course I was totally charmed by his personality.

As Mr. Natural would say, "Keep on your sunny side".


Posted on Thu Jan 13 02:33:01 CET 2000 from alb1-as5200-30-30.termserv.net (208.20.67.30)

Diamond Lil

"Ugly and unfortunate pictures of Rick"? An ugly and unfortunate statement indeed. Even days before his untimely death, a more beautiful human being would be very hard to find. I do hope Serge, that when your body fails you and your time on this earth is over, people who loved you will look at your last photos, and be kinder.....


Posted on Thu Jan 13 02:24:09 CET 2000 from gateway.llgm.com (209.125.166.250)

medicine hat

From: pittsburgh

let's all calm down a little bit. we had a good volley going before things got personal. serge, you've known these guys in ways most of us can only dream about. your input is always valued. sundog -- i'm glad you met rick. i appreciate your deep feelings for the guy, and i know you're hurting right now. but i gotta say -- we've all seen the photos (several times over) and quite frankly, they __are__ depressing. in fact, when i first saw them (and carmen will attest to this) it was quite clear to me that rick didn't have very long. maybe it's time to put the snapshots in your private album (or homepage) and call it quits. peace.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 01:31:25 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

[guest photo]

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison, Wisconsin
Home page

Sergie, you pompous old jealous poser! How dare you call the pictures of Rick ugly! When in fact, if you SAY they are ugly, "THEN YOU ARE CALLING RICK UGLY". You are not a Band fan, you are just a bitter lonely boy, and the only thing UGLY IS YOU and your pathetic hatered, which is generated when someone *knows or has something to share* on The Band that you don't!!! So it was YOU posting all that uglyness on my guess book.You are such a little man, I'm sorry, little boy is more your speed! Why don't you stay back on the side lines, and keep your lip service, and low life cheep shots, to someone who cares! You make me sick with your lashings, and I feel sorry for people that 'have to be around you...Btw, thats Rick in the picture above,,,giving me the thumbs up^ for posting this to you!


Posted on Thu Jan 13 00:56:00 CET 2000 from (209.167.110.169)

Serge

John D. Thanks for your input on Ronnie. I break my own rule to stay out of this place this one time, that's to point out to the twit Corcoran that the Hawk IS and always will be the Father of the Band in that he hand picked them, disciplined them and brought out of them the best that they could be. Without Hawk that particular congregation would never have happened. Nowhere was it said that the Hawk influenced them musically. And by the way I am getting weary of this guy's ugly and unfortunate photos of Rick, day in and day out. I'd rather remember him as he was in better days. But then Corcoran is obssessed, and by the looks of him, is trapped somewhere in the hippie era, and is in a state of arrested development.


Posted on Thu Jan 13 00:20:59 CET 2000 from trt-on35-21.netcom.ca (209.146.210.21)

John Donabie

From: Toronto....also filled with Magic

SUNDOG...I truly believe that people must and should have their own opinion. However, in your case, I guess I need a little help. You write....

"He (Dylan) did more to help polish The Band (with Garth)."

I always thought Garth was a member of The Band. I don't see how Dylan as a pianist inspired Garth to be a better player. Is it because Dylan's music was more complex that the polish glimmered? Is that what you mean? It's not very clear. You also write...

"Ronnie had The Band as a bar room band, just to make himself look better than them."

They were a bar room band! Ronnie was the front man! You say "He only put them together to make himself look better?" Name me any artist of that era that didn't want the best band behind them. Even Peter Viney will remember a story that happened the other way; when Tom Jones fired his band to go on as a solo artist. In this case The Hawks out grew the front man. Just like anyone that is growing up and finding their own way in life. I'm not knocking your opinion, I just don't understand it. You also wrote...

"When Dylan teamed up with The Band, there were no Rock Stars or front man."

Obviously you didn't see the tours of '65 or '66. Oh there was a front man. His name was Bob Dylan. The group behind him, at the time, were booed and heckled from town to town. That's why Levon left for a period. Even here in Toronto they were reviewed on those tours as a 3rd rate Rock and Roll band. Now I don't believe this and neither do you; but I was there for those shows and Mr. D was definitely the star and the front man. As for your comments on style. I believe they have The Band's style. I believe that without Ronnie, Dylan, Roy Buchanan, Fred Carter and many many other influences....The Band may and I say may, have sounded differently.

I want you to know this is not an attack on your piece; but I truly didn't understand all of it.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 23:56:03 CET 2000 from alb1-as5200-23-23.termserv.net (208.20.67.23)

Diamond lil

I have to agree with Ragtime. It sure is nice to see an intelligent who-should-get-credit-for-what debate without name calling. And although I've chosen not to be part of this discussion, I would just like to say that it makes no difference to me _who_ wrote the wonderful songs of The Band. I'm just glad that _someone_ did.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 22:52:35 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

The songwriting credits issue had popped up many many times before in this gb. I don't want to add my 2 cents to it (again) - just want to say it's far more thoroughly and seriously discussed than ever. I'm enjoying it this time, thanks to the fact that there's no bashing involved at all... just a serious debate, as it should be.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 22:48:30 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Since around 1980, we've seen a new musical role, that of music supervisors, created in the film industry due to the extensive use of existing recordings in the soundtracks for movies. The music supervisor, after meeting with the director & producer, comes up with suggestions as to what music to use in the film. They then help coordinate the process of clearing and/or recording the music chosen.

Music supervisors are paid a handsome fee, generally in the $75,000 to $200,000 range, per picture. In addition, the top supervisors can command a 1% to 2% royalty rate from the retail sales of a soundtrack album.

Perhaps it's an indication of just how shrewd Robbie Robertson is when it comes to the music business, that he's established himself in this role, first working with Martin Scorsese and now with DreamWorks.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 22:12:01 CET 2000 from jax-proxy01.firstunion.com (169.200.100.12)

Bones

From: CT

In December of 1988, Rick did a show in North Carolina. It was a solo show, just he and his guitar, and it was sensational. He told us that Robbie had just been to Woodstock to visit him, for Robbie was in the area visiting with his daughter who went to school up there. Rick joked that Robbie had finally come out of "hibernation" and released a record. Rick referred to Robbie's first record as "one of his favorites". Rick said when Robbie asked him what he did about "The Weight" in his shows, Rick said smilingly, "I just play it."


Posted on Wed Jan 12 22:09:26 CET 2000 from spider-wk064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.179)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

Hi Matt K! Thanks for the kind words; you made me feel better and I'll stop obsessing. You're right...I don't think Rick would have given me a hug goodbye if I had offended him. I just keep wishing I said everything right and keep hoping he knew how much he meant to me, so I keep second guessing myself. I'll just chill. Thanks again :) Take care --Beth


Posted on Wed Jan 12 22:04:40 CET 2000 from 148.philadelphia-10-15rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.247.148)

carmen

From: pa

Mattk, If I recall, Springsteen had a large legal battle with Mike Appel over his early songs. Out of this court case came the "Springsteen Clause" which I think made it illegal to be a manager/agent/promoter etc. all in one due to obvious conflicts of interest.

Also, since I mentioned Springsteen, Should Clarence get songwriting credits to Jungleland because of his Sax Solo? No answer needed!


Posted on Wed Jan 12 21:42:06 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Mr. Powell, as usual is on the money. The points system used by the record companies is tantamount to grand larceny. At one point, it was common for record execs to simply claim a writing credit or control broader rights to songs. This is how so many great early rock and rollers ended up poor (at one point in the late 80s, perhaps still, Bo Diddley was living in a trailer with no rights to his songs). Robbie himself fell victim to this early on in his Hawks days, and has been noted here and elsewhere, these activities were often conducted with a good degree of thuggery with organized crime types raking in the cash (folks who get HBO on cable and watch The Sopranos may recal a whole episode on this premise).

These days, as David points out, money is extracted with recording companies, management, development, etc all taking giant chunks of the pie. Remember, the record company pays for nothing, really. The artist is "fronted" the money for recording and pressing, which is then extracted, with a large markup from the gross sales.

Artists, especially new ones, rarely get more than $1 per sale after all is said and done, and usually it's much much less. This is why you see groups like TLC, etc filing bankruptcy or challenging their record labels' contract terms in court (a la Tom Petty or Frank Zappa).

At this point, touring is about the only way the performer gets anything resembling a reasonable percentage of the proceeds. However, to quote our man RR, it's a damn impossible way of life -- and too often wears out, burns out or kills musicians forced to stay out all the time to make a living.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 21:15:34 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

mattk raises some interesting points. The question of who gets paid what, especially when songs are used in films, is such a complicated matter that only the lawyers can figure out all the "fine details." The bottom line, however, is before any money trickles down to an individual artist, lots of others get paid first. The record companies and publishers (unless the artist sets up his own company) get a major share. The producer also receives royalties, paid at a certain rate. Songwriters or composers are also paid at a certain rate. After all these other amounts are paid or recouped, the performer may receive something, but only if there's something left. In the realm of entertainment, the rule is that after all the fat cats get their percentages out of the gross, there's usually not much left to be split from the net.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 21:05:00 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Beth, I wouldn't sweat it. I never met Rick, but from all of the warm things people have said about him, I doubt he begruged fans too much. My comment was more in line with the inevitable questions from the press during interviews when someone would ask if/when RR would be playing with The Band, to which the stock Rick answer was "you'd have to ask Robbie." I just have empathy for a guy or a group that has decided to move on, but is not allowed to by the press. I suspect Rick understood that you were acting as a fan, out of love and appreciation, not industry politics or intrigue as the music press is often guilty of.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 20:34:37 CET 2000 from spider-wm031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.161)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

This is a very interesting topic; songwriting credit. I didn't know that Rick didn't like being asked about Robbie. I mentioned Robbie to him and he said, "You know, Robbie's a genius...." I said, "Yes, he is." I hope I didn't offend him because it sounded like he was going to trail off somewhere with his statement, but then dropped it. But we were talking about him singing on Robbie's album, so I thought it was ok to bring him up. I can't remember exactly how it started, I think it was because I said that I discovered the Band through Robbie's music first. Hate to second-guess myself now..... As for songwriting credit, I think the answer lies with who brought in the song? Who wrote the words and music to bring it to the studio in the first place? Whoever that was, is the writer. You don't hear Roger Daltrey claiming to have written Won't Get Fooled Again, but who doesn't remember his scream at the end as an integral part to the song? I love the Band and it doesn't really matter to me who wrote it, but it does seem that Robbie is the one. Like he himself said (paraphrasing) "You contribute to the song by playing your instrument. That's your job. You're in a band." Makes sense to me.... Take care, Beth


Posted on Wed Jan 12 19:47:06 CET 2000 from pres-as1-modem176.ctel.net (209.222.79.176)

Jason H.

From: Northern Maine

Didn't realize that there were still Band fans around. Guess you have to check the WWW. Anyway, anyone have any Rick shows from Japan a couple of years ago?? Just prior to the heroin bust! Guess I'll have to make a trip to Louisiana to hear Levon jam at the cafe! RIP Rick!


Posted on Wed Jan 12 19:30:19 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

Songwriting credit...

Funny, but the only guy who's publicly made noise on this is Levon, who, according to his book, never sold any rights. Question is, if RR bought "rights" to songs, I'm curious what he bought?

As Band Thought so rightly noted, after "Brown" there is minimal songwriting (by credit) to anyone but Robbie. So I'm not sure which rights we're talking about having been sold. Obviously, he did not buy the rights to "This Wheel's on Fire," as Rick noted a few times how much he appreciated the check for the "Absolutely Fabulous" use of the song. I doubt RR owns the rights to "In a Station" or other Rick or Richard songs.

It seems that the issue comes down to the group's (and John Simon's) input towards the final recording. Clearly, as recordings, the brilliance of the group is based on everyone feeding in and working as a group. However, even if the recording of the song and the arrangment of the song are key to the album's sales or the song's success, it does not necessarily preclude a single writing credit.

Does anyone doubt that RR and the rest of the Band had a major part in the creation of This Wheel's on Fire or In a Station? Does Levon complain that Rick and Richard received too much credit for these songs, respectively? No, of course not. Clearly Levon has an agenda against RR--it's validity or reasoning only known by Levon (and perhaps Robbie), ultimately.

At one point, Levon states that, on NLSC, that Garth really did all the work by "sweetening" the mix. Still, as we've noted, sweetening and arranging do not mean composing or composing credits. They could be arranging credits, but that concept kind of went the way of the dinosaur with the death of big band arrangements, where folks like Fletcher Henderson would arrange Gershwin tunes, which in turn were performed by Benny Goodman's band.

My thought is that what we're confusing here, and perhaps Levon is as well, is the difference between producer credits and songwriting credits. Every songwriter who works with a producer owes a great debt, positively or negatively, to the producer of the album. In the case of The Band, producer credits are listed:

  • Big Pink - John Simon
  • "Brown Album" - The Band and John Simon
  • Stagefright - The Band
  • Cahoots - The Band
  • Moondog Matinee - The Band and Robbie Robertson
  • NLSC - The Band
  • Islands - The Band

In the post-TLW albums:

  • Jericho - John Simon
  • HOH - The Band
  • Jubilation - Aaron Hurwitz

Now, I can see where as a group, acting as producer and therefore playing a major role in the final product, arrangement, even altered chord changes or verses, the line between producer and composer seems blurry. Still, producer credits are handled somewhat differently and are tied to the recordings themselves. Composer credits are linked to the recording, but are more lucrative in that they speak to BMI/ASCAP fees for live performance or credit/points when the song is re-recorded by another group.

So, under this model, I'd assume that everyone (including John Simon) gets a check for the use of The Weight in "Girl Interrupted" or "Easy Rider." However, only RR would get credit for Aretha Franklin's recording of that song.

The question would be, then, did Rick, Richard and Garth sell PRODUCER credits to RR? If so, why is Levon (who says he DIDN'T sell out) so upset on this issue where Rick, Richard and Garth are/were not--at least publicly?

The real (and very fair) complaints I've read from Rick and Richard on this issue was that they were tired of being asked about RR constantly, and were annoyed that RR was given credit by the media for the success of the group. However, this all gets into the old grasshopper vs. ant debate we've had before, and which I have no desire to get into again, so I'll leave it lying there.

Matt


Posted on Wed Jan 12 19:24:55 CET 2000 from proxy-513.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.103)

Scott

Not to dwell on one album, but listened to "Stagefright" again last night: "Sleeping" and "The Rumor" are the two songs that highlight "the percussion" that I mentioned on a previous posting (in my opinion). How did Levon come up with that amazing, inventive style ? He seems to play inbetween the beat. You could hardly consider these two types of songs "spotlight tunes" for the drums, but his playing stands out due to its creative syncopation, and interplay with Rick's great bass playing....


Posted on Wed Jan 12 19:12:44 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

The great songwriting controversy continues. Despite speculation on anyone's part, only the individuals involved in the creation of the music are privy to the answers.

Donald S. Passman's book, "All You Need to Know About the Music Business" (Simon & Schuster), is considered by many to be the "bible" of the music industry. Accolades from Joe Smith (former head of Capitol/EMI), Quincy Jones, Don Henley, David Geffen, Michael Eisner (head of Disney) and Tom Waits, among others, adorn the book's cover. Mr. Passman is an attorney based in L.A., who has specialized in music & entertainment law for over 20 years. His client list is a virtual who's who of the music & entertainment industries, including performers, songwriters, publishers, record companies, publishers, industry execs, film companies, managers, producers, etc. His book, needless to say, in a must read for anyone interested in how the music business works. His book is extremely detailed, resembling a text book for just reason--Mr. Passman has also tought a class at UCLA's Advanced Professional Program. The book, however, is not all cut & dried law & theories. Many of the lessons Mr. Passman's passes on were learned the hard way through his years of experience of negotiating his way through the intricate maze of the music business.

On the topic of "what makes a joint work joint?", Mr. Passman has this to say: "The law says, to have a joint work, you only need an author who 'intends', at the time of creation, to merge his or her work with someone's else's."


Posted on Wed Jan 12 19:10:29 CET 2000 from (198.139.68.79)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa.

Enough has been said regarding songwriting credits. I'm curious -- to what end does all of this take us? Enjoy the music and the obvious beauty of such an incredible collaboration of gifted musicians. I've not heard the voice of a lawyer in any of those sweet harmonies! P.S. My search continues for a CD copy of "The Complete Last Waltz". Can anyone help?


Posted on Wed Jan 12 17:17:23 CET 2000 from du253-0.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.0.253)

Ilkka (ashamed)

The name of His Majesty The King of Sweden is CARL XVI GUSTAV and nothing else.
My deepest apologies to The Royal Court and The King.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 16:24:31 CET 2000 from du180-2.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.2.180)

Ilkka (with a little help from *meadowlark2*)

From: back home again!
Home page

POLAR MUSIC PRIZE TO BOB DYLAN!!!! (and Isaac Stern, Ragtime!)

The Swedish Polar Music Prize is *The Nobel Prize of Classic and Rock Music* It was established by STIKKAN ANDERSSON, the former producer, manager and songwriter to ABBA (we love them, so does Bob Dylan, too...). In the previous years The Prize has gone to artists like RAVI SHANKAR, BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, PIERRE BOULEZ and STEWIE WONDER.
The Prize Committee says (our translation from Swedish): - BOB DYLAN's impact as a singer/songwriter is beyond any disgussion. He has the skill to weaw together poetry and melody in a way that has a meaning. This has captured people of all ages and from many cultures and countries in the world.

The Prize will be handed by His Majesty The King of Sweden Karl VII Gustav himself. Springsteen was beared but wearing a tuxedo when he got The Prize. How will BD be dressed... We'll report about the details!


Posted on Wed Jan 12 16:05:56 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

From: NJ

Band Thought: Thanks for the insight. As opposed to my late night rambling, you brought forth facts - Thanks.

The perception of RR is probably due to the fact that he is credited with "the hits".

I'm listening to Rick's very first solo project (just got it a few days ago) I really like Small Town Talk and New Mexico(sic)


Posted on Wed Jan 12 15:03:09 CET 2000 from spider-tn063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.73)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

I have always been curious re:the real story on how the "rights" to the songs played out.RR obviously got the majority of writing,and on the later original 5 stuff, producing credits. And it is documented that Rick, Garth, and Richard unfortunately signed off on their "rights". However, was that forever, or possibly only a certain # of years? For example did they recieve anything from the Watkins Glen release? And I distictly recall the 90's Band appearing on David Letterman (and probably other TV venues} in support of the boxed set. As far as writers credits go, Rick has often stated in interviews how grateful he was when TWOF would appear on an album or soundtrack and he would get a nice windfall just from half a credit(shared with Dylan). How all those credits from the "hits" The Weight in particular, must add up.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 15:01:18 CET 2000 from gw33.telekomus.com (206.2.196.66)

Band Thought

From: New York

On the great songwriting debate and why it should be no debate at all. Here may be a recipe for what you are looking to find.

Check the discography portion of this site or, if more convenient, your nearest CD shelf. Open the links for studio albums and thoroughly review "Music From Big Pink" song by song. Oh yes, pre-heat stereo for ten minutes.

Now go to "In A Station," "We Can Talk," "Lonesome Suzie,""Tears Of Rage," and "Wheels On Fire."

Next, open links to "The Band" (Brown) album. Set your mouse to "When You Awake," "Jawbone," "Jemima Surrender," and "Whispering Pines."

Now, check the settings. I count seven songs either credited entirely to or co-written by Richard Manuel, one co-credited to Rick Danko and yes, even one credited collaboration shared by Mssrs. Helm and Robertson.

Is there a monoply on songwriting credits on at least the first two, most prominent works? No. Do the credits on these two masterworks suggest a collaboration of the entire group on the writing? No. Has Richard ever been blasted for assuming sole songwriting credit, for example, for "In A Station," or "Lonesome Suzie?" No. Levon for taking co-credit on "Jemima Surrender?" No. Richard for taking co-credit for "When You Awake," "Jawbone," and "Whispering Pines?" No.

Sometimes a "business" decision is made which you would like to take back. The timing suggests that that decision was made after these songs were written and credited by the members of The Band. That business decision does not change the songwriting credit that it appears The Band members gave on the first two albums. Personally, I think the songwriting credits on all of the Band's albums accurately reflect the styles of the writers. "Lonesome Suzie" is a perfect example of a song which Richard could only have written. Did the rest of The Band collaborate on the musical portion of that haunting song? Perhaps. Perhaps just like they did on the Robbie only songs.

Ah, the stereo is now pre-heated. Drop in MFBP or whatever cures you and sit back, relax, and enjoy the music..... John


Posted on Wed Jan 12 14:51:24 CET 2000 from gateway.llgm.com (209.125.166.250)

medicine hat

From: pittsburgh

i must say i'm in total agreement with jan and sam on the whole "writer" controversy. "tweaking", "polishing", "sweetening" etc. connote (in my mind anyway) production chores. now, check the production credit for ever album sans MFBP and TLW and you'll see "produced by the band". it seems credit has been given where it's due.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 14:35:14 CET 2000 from spider-wn081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.186)

Dennis 'n Wanda

From: Beautiful Downtown West Saugerties, N.Y.

Hey gang, just a l'il reminder: it's Barn Burnin' night again in Woodstock. Nine-ish, Joyous Lake. I'm sure that once again, Butch 'll load up the car and deliver a real interesting event. These shows are fun. Kind'a remind me of those great Club GetAway shows from years past. Hope YOU can make it.....


Posted on Wed Jan 12 14:33:49 CET 2000 from lpcdept234.lib.depaul.edu (140.192.30.234)

Peter Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

Scott, "Poor taste" is a pretty subjective term. In fact, I found the Gregg Allman thing amusing, if bizarre--but surely stranger things have happened. I am not sure how this directly affects Rick aside from him being a bystander, although the gal's ass was turned away from him as I recall. In short, a great time was had by all, which was the big picture.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 14:29:28 CET 2000 from (128.100.202.145)

Douglas Wagner

From: Toronto (Stratford)

To: Levon Helm. Could you please have your Agent send me an E-mail regards to booking for August 3rd. Doug Wagner d.wagner@utoronto.ca


Posted on Wed Jan 12 11:56:37 CET 2000 from du-tele3-120.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.120)

Peter Viney

This could go on and on, and positions don’t change much. On songwriting, Pat brings up the one irrefutable fact. RR has continued to write, the others wrote very, very little after the parting of the ways. That implies that he was, as credited, the writer. We can all have opinions on what went on in the studio, but take the original version of “Like A Rolling Stone.” Al Kooper doodled around (first time on Hammond organ) and came up with that magic organ part which made the record great. No one has ever disputed that the song is “by Bob Dylan.” Kooper got no royalty, no credit, though he has said he launched his career on it. That’s what happens. It’s the difference between writing the song and playing on a record. I’m a scriptwriter part of the time. Often actors will stun me by doing a line different, timing it in an unexpected way that makes it better, changing a word or two. I still get the writing credit. They’re doing their job, I’m doing mine.

Being a group, The Band was a different situation to Bob Dylan and Al Kooper. Dylan would have paid Kooper, directly or indirectly. And Kooper would have got his money whether the record had been released or not. This is what confuses the issue, because group members wouldn’t have been paid in the same way as a session musician, BUT they would have had a share of the royalties for the performance, which the session artist wouldn’t have. Songwriting royalties remain within the songwriter. I don’t think this is a matter of “opinion” but one of fact. You can’t say many years later, (as the case Stanley quotes shows) ‘Hey, I helped write that.”


Posted on Wed Jan 12 07:37:11 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

From: NJ

The Credential Debate:

Where i believe The Band probably wrote most of the music - or as it was perfectly put earlier "bounced around" - I believe the guys were a victim of their own - shall i say 'ignorance'. Robbie and the record guys were business savvy. The other guys just wanted to play music - that onto itself is admirable but business is business. Maybe i'm sounding harsh - but Rick, Levon, Richard and Garth were there when the albums were released - they had to sign those contracts- Weren't they aware of writing credits? - I don't think it was a clandestine move on Robbie and the record guys but i also don't know all the details.

Didn't John Fogerty sell his rights off for money? I believe he won them back to a degree in court - But know one put a gun to his head and made him do that deal. You have to protect yourself out there.

From articles and interviews and simply work done - RR has proved himself to be a business man as well as a visionary of sorts - Like him or not.

And as a professional writer, I can tell you this: I have an award i won last year. The credit for Writer is me. Was it 100% mine - No. But the framework was; I listened to other input, good and bad - Then "took what I needed and left the rest" (paraphrase). Writers do it all the time.It's impossible to give everyone credit. Why do you think in novels they have Thank you's, dedications and depending on how it's written - Forwards. Outside of a rare occassion-All writers depend on the world around them to help create what they put on paper - Whether that's from a long walk, an observation of a subtlety or just talking around the water cooler.

My intent isn't to be mean. I'm just trying to add a hint of light from someone who has drank from both cups

PS--I was named the godfather to my best friend and his wife's child - Sip The Wine everyone!


Posted on Wed Jan 12 05:33:52 CET 2000 from user-33qt86m.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.214)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

It's nice to have opinions, but the people who were there can't seem to agree on the facts. I've heard enough threads of the songwriting story--both here and elsewhere--to know that just about any opinion on this matter is suspect. There is little real solid fact that you could hang a hat on, but let's face one thing: while the post-LW Band produced a thin ammount of original material, RR cranked out a ton, all by himself. You can question the style and merit of RR's post-LW material, but you cannot deny the effort. And the person that's pissed that people aren't dishing the RR-Levon "encounter," three chips and chill, pally.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 04:56:42 CET 2000 from d95.as0.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.216.95)

MJD

From: Stevens Point WI

I read in an artical posted on this site that all the members of The Band sold their royalty rights of the songs to RR. Once those rights were sold... members would have been locked out of future profits made from the reissue of the discography on to CD or DVD. This would have been a terrible mistake by the members, or members of any group of legend to sign away their royalty rights. Many musicians have in the past got caught up in signing away rights on songs for a quick cash settlement ... at the time not imagining that the discography could be totally re released on a new format to new fans 20 and even 30 years down the road. Is this what happened to the members of The Band? Comments?


Posted on Wed Jan 12 04:55:56 CET 2000 from spider-wm032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.162)

george schroeder

From: balto. md.

sending the group regards on the passing of rick.wondering (not to be cruel) if the group plans to continue and if auditions are being held or mailing address for tapes etc... regards george ps (mr. danko has left some giant shoes to fill since he was a rock&roll innovator,with those sliding melodic bass lines,and that classic voice!the music world is short one bright beacon!


Posted on Wed Jan 12 04:07:08 CET 2000 from pm3-087.efn.org (206.163.180.87)

deb mcmanman

From: eugene/springfield, oregon
Home page

Beth and D. Lil: Thanks for your comments on a video project. Here's a thought for someone: it would not be too difficult to assemble footage of Rick singing and talking. Nothing extra to shoot; just use what has already been shot. Kind of a video archive and chronicle, similar to "The Last Waltz," which had many, many pithy comments (mostly from Robbie) and memorable stories (the overcoats in the supermarket story). I wonder about all the footage that ended up on the cutting room floor. There is probably a lot from Rick, Levon, Garth, and Richard, that we did not get to see. That would be a challenge for an enterprising person to get (Scorcese probably owns it?). Are there home movies? Recording sessions? Interviews? Jams? Rehearsals? By using existing footage and not going far and wide into the field to shoot additional stuff would save thousands of dollars in production costs for such a project. And, using existing footage and letting it tell the story would most likely paint a fairer picture than if one were to editorialize or toss out opinions/debates on who wrote what, etc., etc., etc. It sure would be neat to see Rick sing "Sip The Wine" in its entirety, rather than the little teaser we got from "The Last Waltz." Just rambling here...


Posted on Wed Jan 12 02:08:57 CET 2000 from ch1smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.61)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

The song writing controversy has of course been addressed many times in these pages. Many would argue that the law ought not necessarily be strictly construed when we are talking about a “band of brothers”, but for whatever it is worth, the following is an excerpt from an article that appeared in one of the Toronto newspapers shortly after the court decision in the Darryl Neudorf vs. Sarah McLachlin songwriting dispute.

The dismissal of Darryl Neudorf's suit against Sarah McLachlan could be a legal landmark.

Late last week a judge in Vancouver dismissed Neudorf's claim that he was owed credit and royalties on four songs from McLachlan's debut album, Touch Neudorf, a record producer and musician, had been brought in to assist McLachlan

The decision lays some potentially important ground rules in the tricky ground of artistic property and copyright.

Bill Henderson is a Canadian rock legend, the former leader of the bands Chilliwack and the Collectors, a record producer and the author of more than 300 songs. He's also a board member and past president, of the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada.

Henderson was an expert witness at the trial. He says it's part of a producer's job to tweak songs, and in return they are compensated in points... a percentage of the song's royalties. He agrees with British Columbia Supreme Court Justice Bruce Cohen that both parties have to agree to co-writing credits:

”You can’t just unilaterally go in, make a contribution covertly staking your claim, and then later say, ‘I put that in there and it's the hook line and I'm a writer'. What he's saying with this decision is you have to clear that... you both have to agree that's the case."

McLachlan's lawyer, Jennifer Conkie, calls the decision "a landmark for Canadian copyright law." She says it provides a legal test for collaboration and joint authorship of songs.

"Central to the court's conclusion," she says, "is the finding that it wasn't until many years after the release of the album that Darryl Neudorf, for the first time, claimed to the defendants that he was the co-author of the songs."

The controversy over authorship of co-written material is not exactly new to the music industry. Musicians and songwriters have fought fierce battles over publishing, credit and control of their own work, and each case helps to define the relationships between composers, producers and record labels. In Nashville, it is common practice for songwriters and musicians to keep a tape recorder running during sessions, saving them from having to deal with legal issues that can take away from the creative process.

The court did determine that Neudorf made a significant original contribution to one of the four songs (he wrote the melody of the verse). However, Neudorf could not prove that there was mutual intent between himself and McLachlan to co-write the song, so the judge ruled that he was not entitled to credit or royalties.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 01:54:32 CET 2000 from spider-tn044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.64)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

What a beautiful picture of Levon and Sheryl Crow! Thanks for sharing it Jan!


Posted on Wed Jan 12 01:38:18 CET 2000 from proxy-647.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.119)

jhwygirl

From: the land of too much white stuff

I am going to add my two cents here about the curent songwriting credit discussion.

I take the position that the songwriting credit belongs to The Band and not RR exclusively. I might agree, as the current Band lineup might - I wasn't there, I don't know - that RR does deserve full credit for ...some... songs, but not all.

Living together, becoming men together, and bringing up the baby - The Band - from birth, seems to me to be the product of the village, and not the work of an individual.

To cite an example of another band, the credits for the originally written Grateful Dead songs appear as John Barlow and Robert Weir, and Jerry Garcia and Robert Hunter. This seemed to have worked well, but ahh, maybe time may tell another story.

A much more acceptable credit arrangement, in my own opinion, of course, would of been 'RR and The Band,' and not in all cases, as I stated earlier. It would seem to me to have been the fair thing to do amongst friends.

I have always been curious as to Bob Dylan's opiion on this subject. He was there. Does anyone know if he has made any comments on this matter?


Posted on Wed Jan 12 01:28:46 CET 2000 from 98a76ab5.ipt.aol.com (152.167.106.181)

Liz Kemp

From: wherever I am
Home page

thanks Sundog ....this site is so cool thanks for being there, everyone..... please continue to contribute, especially your opinions........Love to all,Lets stay together....Liz


Posted on Wed Jan 12 01:15:15 CET 2000 from spider-wl012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.22)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

Hi Deb: Good thoughts on getting the Hawk tape for your television station. It would be great if there was some way to get the Rick footage all together. I would imagine with all of the different copyrights, it would be difficult. But if anyone out there in any position to get footage together, keep in mind that there IS an audience for it. Take care, Beth


Posted on Wed Jan 12 01:14:20 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

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Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

*Sam,,,Very good (GREAT) post!!!


Posted on Wed Jan 12 01:10:45 CET 2000 from (209.3.249.19)

Jake

From: Va.

Interesting comments and evaluations of Hoskyns' and Davis/Helm's work.I've read both, enjoyed them thoroughly.Helm's pushed a bit of an agenda, and I do agree that Hoskyns was hard on the reformed Band, but both are worthwhile. I remember seeing Rick Danko in Clinton, NJ, his second show back from his "Tour of the Orient" as he jokingly referred to the whole fiasco. He mentioned little bits about the experience, but said that the rest he would save for "the book". I understand that he was working with someone on a biography, but that it didn't work out. I for one, would love to hear his take on a lot of what went down. Perhaps someone will write the thing.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 00:16:27 CET 2000 from spider-wn021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.156)

Ben Turkel

From: New Jersey
Home page

I agree with Red John's assesment of Hoskyns. I find it to be an interesting book and have re-read sections of it many times over the years. I do think that Hoskyn's is much too critical of the reformed Band. It's unfortunate that this book (along with Levon's) was published just before 'Jericho' was released. I understand that Levon is updating his book, and I would welcome an update from Hoskyns as well


Posted on Wed Jan 12 00:09:30 CET 2000 from spider-ti042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.192)

Sam

Any group of worth contributes something to the creation of a new song. That's the nature of the beast. However suggesting a few chords or a line of lyrics does not a writer or composer make. Most writers, whether poets, playwrights novelists, songwriters, journalists or composers, occasionally ask for and sometimes accept suggestions and "improvements" from editors, friends, loved ones and colleagues. With the collaborative arts (theater, music, etc.), those suggestions are part of the way of working. (The definition of collaboration, I believe.) In the theater, an intelligent actor or director often has a meaningful impact on the first production of a new play because the writer is rewriting based in large part on the experience of the rehearsal & what the lines & the rhythm actually sound like in the mouths of live actors as opposed to in the mind of the creator. Playwrights often actively solicit feedback on character and action from their colaborators. These people usually do not expect or receive credit beyond the (occasional) acknowledgement in a published version. It's in the nature of the work to contribute & collaborate. But only the writer is the writer! It seems clear to me, based on his life's work before, during & after the songs in question (whichever they may be), that Robbie wrote the songs. That the others members of the Band sometimes contributed in important ways is the wonderful nature of life in a band & in no way takes away fromt he writer's accomplishments or the justice of his receiving credit. Hoskyns makes a big point of how Robbie himself said that he asked Garth for help with the music now & then, as if that is somehow suspect. But of course he asked. All the good writers I know choose to work with the best colleagues they can find & wd consider themselves FOOLS if they didn't solicit feedback or help with solving a sticky problem. That's what you do with the people you work with, when you respect them & their ideas. They were a great Band, the best. And they were lucky to have had, for a time, a great songwriter.


Posted on Wed Jan 12 00:06:11 CET 2000 from (128.165.14.55)

Kay

From: New Mexico

I'm not privy to circumstances surrounding the writing of any particular song, but I do know that Levon did alot of what he called "bouncing one off the wall for you." Now if Levon (or anyone else) bounces one off the wall and Robbie hits it out of the park, who deserves the credit, financial and otherwise? The answer that suggests itself doesn't seem to be what happened. . .


Posted on Tue Jan 11 23:52:30 CET 2000 from pm457-43.dialip.mich.net (198.110.21.149)

twilight

Carmen - Loved your comment on Dylan/Hawkins. I don't recall either one claming to be the father - thank goodness. I've heard Ronnie speak of being proud to be part of the history - I don't think I've read much that Dyaln has to say about playing with them. Mike Nomad - "don't insult us with your privacy...." Your statement implies that you speak for someone or something more than yourself. You don't. To all band lovers - I really listened to Stagefright for the first time. I'm getting there. Finally - I'n regards to the book discussion - I'll stick with the music. Peace to all of you out there.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 23:27:13 CET 2000 from 221.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.221)

carmen

From: pa

I have recently read both books and must admit on many subjects I am still confussed.

Both discussed writing credits and the rift caused by RR getting most of the credit, however, neiter stated who if anyone else deserved to also get credit. Are there specific songs that Levon feels he wrote? Or Rick etc... that caused this problem. Why wait untill there is no money left to bring this point out?

Regarding who can claim they made the BAND;Dylan or Hawkins, I think both were lucky. Hawkins would never have been able to have the longevity and reputation he still has today and Dylan might still be making folk records.



Posted on Tue Jan 11 22:52:11 CET 2000 from travelline6.wcco.com (199.199.119.6)

Red John

I guess I might be the odd man out but I really liked the Hoskyns book.

I think the difference between them is one is a biography and the other is group history.

While Levon Helm's account is Levon-focused and has some great '90s interviews with Rick Danko or whoever, it sometimes glosses over important things and is somewhat shakily researched (despite the plethora of first person information it contains). Hoskyns is quite the opposite.

Now let me explain what I mean. As compared to Hoskyns, I don't think Stephen Davis went back as far or as copiously as Hoskyns did, as Hoskyns had to. Hoskyns was able to use a ton of those older interviews, as well as Robbie interviews in his book.

I guess I don't really buy the argument that "it's just a compilation of interviews etc." nor that Hoskyns' opinions or insights are irrelevant just because he wasn't present. 1) 99 percent of people don't have access to all those interviews or were not present at certain moments 2) he did pull the whole thing together to make most of his points, which forgive me if I'm wrong, I never really thought he made any definitive statements that claimed his explanations were the only thing. I also think those interviews are just as valuable as Levon's recollections. As time goes by, people change their ideas and feelings about things, sometimes several times and those interviews are valuable. Especially when most of Levon's is drawn only from "modern" interviews.

Also, just because Hoskyns' didn't get the Band's permission, it doesn't mean his book is crap. It gives something that only an outsider looking in can give. I think Hoskyns tried to prevent inaccuracies but given the fact that he allegedly got little help from the Band, I don't hold it against him. (I remember Gerald Melanga wrote a pictorial history of the Velvet Underground and Sterling Morrison wrote the intro and said he approved of the book, even though he didn't exactly agree.

I also think Hoskyns is much more interesting to read. I like Levon's stories but there's really no analysis, he never talks about what worked and what didn't, why he suddenly stopped communicating with Robbie (he sort of mentions, halfway into the Last Waltz preparations, that he and Robbie weren't speaking). What Dylan was like. Was he friendly? who arranged what? How did Bob treat him after he came back to Big Pink? I suspect that Levon's memory and perhaps "relations with Dylan" reasons prevented him from really speaking his mind. Hoskyns, however, can say what he likes. Things are much more jerky with Levon's -- no smooth transitions from topics.

I agree that Hoskyns didn't live up to the book's title but I find Hoskyns book more enjoyable than Invisible Republic.

I think both books are necessary (as are Greil Marcus' book and the Dylan books). What it boils down to is that they each give different and valuable perspectives.

I don't wish to offend anyone. Just sharing my opinion.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 20:39:40 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

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Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison, Wisconsin
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BTW, *My opinion*, is that Bob Dylan (not Ronnie Hawkins) was the father of The Band. He did more to help polish The Band (with Garth). Ronnie had The Band as a bar room band, just to make himself look better than them. When Dylan teamed up with The Band, there were no Rock Stars or frontman, and thats when the magic started happening, before that, they were just finding what sounded good, and what didn't sound good. They left Ronnie, and a great deal of The Bands ties comes from Dylan and the days of '49. I'm NOT saying Ronnie didn't have influence, but you have to admit that The Bands music has none of Ronnie's style of music with in it. Thanks for letting me base my opinion on such a great web site as this one!


Posted on Tue Jan 11 18:47:41 CET 2000 from du-tele3-094.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.94)

Peter Viney

Thanks David for more great notes, this time on Robert Palmer. There’s a lot of new information there. I was amazed that he was the Joujouka catalyst. David’s right that Palmer had the knowledge and talent to do a definitive book on The Band. I agree with Pete Shaw that Hoskyns largely compiled extant material (with lots of radio show quotes). I’d collected most of his sources as they were published, and they were familiar, but unless you’ve been that obsessive about keeping every article on The Band, Hoskyns does a useful job on bringing a lot of information into one accessible place. He might tell a few embarrassing tales, some from the 1969 Hawkins’ interview, but Levon’s book confirms the same basic story.

Dave Z: Many thanks. I’m greatly enjoying Van from the early 70s.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 18:46:24 CET 2000 from proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.13)

Scott

To whom it may concern. I heard you have won a gold medal for poor taste. It must feel good to inform us all of this negative story one month after Rick's passing. Good job. I wonder if Gregory ever got over it ?


Posted on Tue Jan 11 18:08:27 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Robert Palmer, the music critic & musician (not to be confused with that other guy in the MTV videos), passed away on November 20, 1997, at the age of 52, while awaiting a liver transplant. He had suffered from serious liver & kidney ailments during the last decade of his life but still continued to write, play his beloved music and work on the film based on his book "Deep Blues."

Mr. Palmer was born in Little Rock, Arkansas. As a young teenager he began playing saxophone & clarinet in bands on the circuit of road houses & juke joints that dot the Mississippi Delta region of the South. It was on these backroads that he first crossed paths with Ronnie Hawkins & the Hawks.

Mr. Palmer loved all forms of music; blues, country, jazz, trance, punk, metal and all points in between. He championed world music before the press had a name for it. It was Mr. Palmer who introduced Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones to the North African musicians of Joujouka.

By the mid '60s Mr. Palmer began translating this love of music into writing. He soon proved that he had the gift to explain the beauty & the nuances of music in a language that everyone could understand. It's been said that music is the universal language; Mr. Palmer had the unique ability to speak that language with words that could express those wonders to all who could listen & read. His clear, concise and informative writing would be published in Rolling Stone, as well as numerous other magazines. In 1981 he became the first full-time popular music critic to write for the New York Times.

Throughout his life he continued to play & produce the music he loved. In the late '60s he was a member of the avant-garde band Insect Trust, who recorded on the Capitol and Atlantic labels. In 1977 he played with Ornette Coleman on Mr. Coleman's "Dancing In Your Head" album released by A&M. In the early '90s Mr. Palmer began producing albums for the Fat Possum label, out of Oxford, Mississippi. Fat Possum's roster included authentic bluesmen like Junior Kimbrough and R.L. Burnside, who's gut-bucket, juke-joint sound may have been a little bit too real for the cookie-cutter formula music of the major labels.

Mr. Palmer wrote five books between 1978 and 1983, on musical subjects as diverse as the influence of Memphis & New Orleans on rock & roll, as well as a biography of the Rolling Stones. His aforementioned "Deep Blues," published by Penguin, is one of the best written histories on the blues that you'll ever find. In 1995 Mr. Palmer was the chief consultant for PBS television's 10-part documentary series, "Rock & Roll." His companion book to that series, "Rock & Roll: An Unruly History" (published by Harmony), is filled with insights, details and stories that help explain how rock music evolved out of so many other forms of music. In addition to working on the film "Deep Blues," Mr. Palmer was also the writer & music director of the documentary "The World According to John Coltrane."

Sadly, Robert Palmer didn't get to write a full-length book about The Band. Perhaps no other writer was better suited to tackle that subject. Suffice to say, he would have focused on what made the group's music so unique & distinctive. As a young man Mr. Palmer had travelled the same backroads as The Hawks-- His vision wasn't clouded by romantic notions of what might have been. He'd been there himself and seen & heard what was real & rough & beautiful & hard about a life in pursuit of playing just the right notes. A life in quest of the beauty of music. A soul that lives on in that music, and in the words he wrote to describe the sounds so sweet.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 15:40 CET 2000 from james.nettskolen.nki.no (193.216.120.41)

Me

How many Robbies does it take to change a lightbulb?
Five.
Four to do it and one to take all the credit for it


Posted on Tue Jan 11 14:34:57 CET 2000 from lpcdept234.lib.depaul.edu (140.192.30.234)

Peter Shaw

From: Chicago, IL

Regarding Hoskyn's book, I find it to be more a compendium of material that is already out there--articles, interviews; etc. than much of anything new. Not having much touch with the guys in The Band would aid towards that. I did not find the writing terribly interesting, and I think Hoskyn's takes a hatchet to some stuff (reunited Band, drug habits and pitfalls) where it does not serve the story. That said, it is nice to have all that material located in one book.

As to Ricky, well, it happens. I once saw him and Gregg Allman play at the Lone Star in New York. As I recall, Rick came in and mentioned something about drinking Gregory (he referred to him as such all night) under the table at some bar. He soundchecked with Share Your Love, but only one verse since he did not know the lyrics further. So I wrote them down for him. During the show, Greg picked up acoustic and said he just wanted to play some old standards. Rick ruined that picnic by saying into the mic, "I don't know about you Gregory, but I want to hear "Sweet Melissa" (sic)." The crowd went wild, and Gregg "begrudgingly" went into it. Rick even laid down some organ from Gregg's B-3.

Sorry to disappoint some, but Rick was not the highlight that night. While somewhat bizarre, the scene was when Gregg signed some woman's ass with a magic marker about five feet from me. It was all I could do not to spit up my beer in laughter.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 14:28:49 CET 2000 from du-tele3-081.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.81)

Peter Viney

Books: Robert Palmer’s “A Portrait of The Artist as Young Hawks” appeared in Rolling Stone and was a lengthy piece. It appeared in the same issue as the TLW album review, 1st June 1978. I have boxes of Band articles, and half an hour this morning failed to turn it up. I’ll look again later, which may mean going through several boxes of 70s Rolling Stones (which aren’t in any order!). I photocopied it for someone a year ago, and must have put it somewhere unusual. It’s long enough to make a thin book from - an idea for Straight Arrow. Because it’s a long and literary piece, I don’t think we have any right to lift it and republish it on the web without the permission of his estate. Individual photocopies of out-of-print material are OK - they’re allowed anyhow. I think it’s fair enough to republish reviews and short articles which are transient, and have no current marketability, but when something is a major work, you have to respect the guy’s copyright. It should be republished whatever. e-mails to Rolling Stone? Maybe they could put it on their site so we could link. “Rolling Stone” has done compilation books on other artists, such as Neil Young. They own some Robbie interviews, the Hawkins interview, the Ralph Gleason review of Winterland, Greil Marcus on The Last Waltz, Al Kooper on MFBP. How about a Band compilation? As I’ve said the Palmer article is “faction” but as Rick was talking about a book with Palmer, it can’t have been too far off.

The Hoskyns / Helm book debate has been well-reheared in this Guestbook, as a trawl back will show. Actually, Hoskyns ends up being pretty anti-Robbie, and he did get an interview. But Hoskyns’ subtitle was “The Band & America” and he’s trying to draw wider points, much as Marcus does in ‘Mystery Train’ and ‘Invisible Republic’ or Charles Shaar Murray does in the magnificent “Boogie Man - the Adventures of John Lee Hooker in America in the 20th century” (one of the finest rock books I’ve read, and I’m only halfway through). Because of this, the lyrics are of primary interest, so necessarily it focuses on the writer rather more. Hoskyns is good on the songs, and entertaining on the biography, even if the subjects were displeased by it. You have to have both books. At least Hoskyns avoids the trap of syncophancy. I’ve been looking at Van Morrison books recently, and much as Van dismisses these “New Biographies” in song and interview, I think the general failing is an uncritical attitude to lesser works (such as Hard Nose The Highway). When critics say that (e.g.) Purple Heather or Bein’ Green have virtues, then their critical sense is switched off.

Personally, I get mildly irritated when Hoskyns describes concerts as if he were there when he wasn’t. The subjects must find it far worse when he describes events as if he were there. The result is direct and readable. I try to avoid claiming such direct information in my own articles, and as a result I find myself using a lot of convoluted reported speech and disclaimers. “So and so said that Robbie had said that he’d been told by Grossman that Dylan had said something along the lines of …” when a more direct style is “Dylan said …”. But this gives the illusion that you were there and heard him. Hoskyns does this, and as a result he’s a successful (and good) rock journalist!

Back to John Lee Hooker. Do try and find Murray’s book. In fact, Hooker gave one of the worst concerts by a leading blues artist I’ve ever seen, but after reading Murray I wanted to hear more. When I saw Hooker in the late sixties he had a “want to play the blues so bad, and they do” English backing band who plowed relentlessly on with no appreciation of John Lee’s loose and improvisatory style. I thought it was Savoy Brown, but reading Murray it seems it was probably The Groundhogs. Same thing! If the bass player had known two riffs it would only have been half as boring. I saw Muddy Waters shortly afterwards (with his own band of course) and it was chalk and cheese.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 05:03:40 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73017.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.16)

Richard Patterson

From: St Kits

To you Robert Palmer fans out there: Jan 25 will see the release of the documentary film "Deep Blues" on VHS and DVD (a companion to Palmer's 1981 book of the same name). A highly acclaimed look at the history of Delta blues from past to present, originally released in 1991. Features the "discovery" of Junior Kimbrough (62 years old at the time) by Palmer, who went on to produce his debut lp 'All Night Long' the following year for Fat Possum records. Read the book, see the movie! Highly recommended to Band fans.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 04:54:08 CET 2000 from firewall1.westpac.co.nz (210.55.236.18)

Rod

From: N.Z

Brie Sz, I once saw an episode of The Simpsons that had a jazz band playing. I swear the guitar player looked just like Robbie Robertson in The Last Waltz - complete with scarf. Does any one else remember this?


Posted on Tue Jan 11 04:52:06 CET 2000 from ppp175.a2-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.4.241)

Paul Godfrey

Happy Birthday Hawk....Rompin Ronnie Hawkins. In the late 50's Harold Jenkins came north to Canada. He would relate to his friend back in Arkansas that Canada was ripe for rock n' roll. So Ronnie and a fair haired drummer boy from Arkansas headed to the Promised Land. Looking back its hard to know if the Hawk adopted us ... or we him.

All that really matters is that Canada welcomed him and probably the hardest rockin' group of musicians ever to stand a stage in any country. The Hawks in our history are without number. But, of their number, 5 came to stand out from the rest. In this new century we look back and realize that many of them are truly too soon gone to their rest.

And against very powerful and almost overwhelming odds...the Hawk still soars and he keeps on rockin'. "He's a walkin' contradiction..partly truth and partly fiction!"

If you have a spare moment check out the "related" part of this site and Ronnie's revised home page. The photo gallery is a Rock n Roll who's who.

Happy Birthday Hawk and Shine On my friend.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 03:44:49 CET 2000 from dialin-51.carmel.bestweb.net (209.94.104.85)

Mike Lyons

From: Cold Spring, New York

That cold day in December will always be in my mind. Standing on line in the cold drizzle and waiting- not knowing what was going to happen inside. Once inside something happened that I will never forget, as long as I live. That ceremony is imprinted in my mind, just like the times that I met Rick. In some way we were all one that day. It didn't matter if you were a fellow musician, a bandmate, a relative, a friend or a fan. We were all saying goodbye to our best friend. It is such a welcome relief to have this fantastic web site to share our feelings and thoughts. Healing comes from communicating, and this site has provided alot of healing over the past month. Take Care everyone and God Bless Rick Danko


Posted on Tue Jan 11 03:45:01 CET 2000 from (209.167.110.159)

The gang from London Ontario

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to the father of The Band RONNIE HAWKINS. Many Happy returns.


Posted on Tue Jan 11 00:33:33 CET 2000 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

From: Moonbeam, Ont.

Excuse me if I get somewhat irritated when the ''more equal''guestbook users among us feel they have to resort to evasions when asked questions here about the Danko memorial. You were there; we weren't (because we couldn't). Please don't insult us with so-called ''privacy'' B.S. Thank you.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 23:45:31 CET 2000 from spider-tm054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.69)

Bob W.

From: Louisiana

Does anyone know the website for "Girl Interupted"? thanks to anyone who can help me out


Posted on Mon Jan 10 23:41:00 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

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Tim(SUNDOG)

From: Madison, Wisconsin.
Home page

In case you haven't been to the Woodstock Records website in a while, you should 'click the above *Home Page* which will take you there to see some pictures of Rick and friends,,,Thanks Woodstock Records!


Posted on Mon Jan 10 23:31:16 CET 2000 from (207.81.190.226)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

Re Girl Interrupted. I saw the movie and liked it quite a bit. I found the ending not depressing but quite uplifting. Regarding The Weight, it seemed to me there was more of the song in the trailer for the movie then in the actual movie. My impression was that it was background music coming over the radio as the people in the van smoked a joint. One problem, the scene took place in the spring of 1968, and MFBP was not released until July. Picky, picky, picky.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 23:01:49 CET 2000 from pm3-049.efn.org (206.163.180.49)

deb

From: eugene/springfield, oregon
Home page

Thanks to all of you for the details on the books written about The Band. I will definitely check those out. Thanks especially to David Powell for that historical rundown on guitar history. Question: Was Rick planning to write a story with Robert Palmer? If so, it is too sad that it didn't happen. Now I'm depressed. It would have been neat to see Rick's words about The Band history (being that he had such a neat outlook on things and was such a warm human being). Darn!


Posted on Mon Jan 10 22:47:37 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

No sweat Bashful Bill. I did not mean to appear to be busting your chops, specifically. I was just noting the irony of the Hoskyns book and how it is viewed by folks. An irony confirmed by both Gypsewoman's and Bone's rightful assertion that neither RR or Levon were very happy with the final product. But heck, at least they agree on SOMETHING these days ; )


Posted on Mon Jan 10 21:49:27 CET 2000 from xcdfdc7be.ip.ggn.net (205.253.199.190)

Gypsewoman

Hoskyns book is an unauthorized biography. The boys were not happy about it, especially Levon, who won't even discuss it.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 21:47:29 CET 2000 from firewall.katz-media.com (38.150.94.163)

Bill

From: lic,nyc

I saw GIRL INERUPTTED yesterday (living in nyc we get some advantages to go with all the disadvantages). the movie starts in 67 but it was into 68 when the weight (as background music) came on. 2 characters are fleeing the mental hospital hitchiking and a volkswagon bus drives up (I hosestly said to myself here it comes and it did) only one verse as they driving in the night passing a joint around. Later when I thought about it, it made sense as they were leaving a stressful environment. The movie has a lot of music, but for the commercials I see, on tv, every one has 4 or so artists listed at the end of the commercial and the band and wilco are always listed. Its the only band song in film. ________________ VERY IMPORTANT anyone who is a fan of The Band would not have approved a song for this movie if they saw the finished product. Im choosing my words here carefully. I cant say I didnt enjoy the entire film as a whole. Its very depressing and there is tremendous pain felt by one of the characters. She is not at peace or spiritual and she makes a final choice because of her tremendous pain. A pain I could never imagine. The way it is filmed is the gruesome part and why I feel I have to write this. I write this to hopefully spare someone. Hearing about it is bad but the visual image is worse.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 21:27:09 CET 2000 from cic-proxy01.firstunion.com (169.200.25.140)

Bones

From: CT

Thanks to David Powell for his post regarding Ringo's Rotogravure record. Please let me know what you think . How did it make this site if Levon is not listed?

By the way, Hoskyns' book is certainly NOT pro-Robbie. He is furious that Robbie did not return his calls(nor did the others). Having said that, it does not show the hatred and bitterness that Levon's book portrayed. I just wish Rick and Robert Palmer had done their book. That would have been wonderful.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 20:53:13 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

"I pulled into Nazareth, was feelin' about half past dead. I just need some place where I can lay my head..."

On January 31, 1796 Christian Frederick Martin, Sr. was born in Germany. Martin, who descended from a long line of guitar makers, traveled to Vienna at the age of 15 to take up his family's craft as an apprentice with a renowned guitar maker.

Martin quickly learned the craft and soon returned to Germany to establish his own shop, only to become embroiled in a trade dispute. Martin and his family were members of the cabinet makers guild. In an attempt to restrict competition, the German violin makers guild sought to prohibit cabinet makers from producing musical instruments. Although the cabinet makers eventually succeeded in defending their trade rights, C.F. Martin realized that his opportunities for future success would be severely limited by the guild system. On September 9, 1833, after deciding to emigrate to the United States, he and his family sailed to New York City.

For several years Martin operated a retail music store on the Lower East side of New York and began producing guitars in a back room on a limited basis. Life in the crowded environment of the city, however, made Martin homesick for the country life he left behind in Saxony. After visiting friends who had moved to rural Pennsylvania, Martin's wife helped convince her husband to move to the small town of Nazareth in the rolling hills of Pennsylvania. Maritn sold his store to another music dealer and in 1836 bought an 8 acre tract on the outskirts of Nazareth.

Six generations later, the Martin family still runs C.F. Martin & Co., continuosly producing some of the finest acoustic instruments ever made. The guitars made in the factory in Nazareth have helped shape almost two centuries of music from the hands of musicians around the world. Christian Frederick Martin IV, born in 1955, is the current Chairman & C.E.O. of C.F. Martin & Co. Although educated in business at Boston University, C.F. Martin IV spent time as an apprentice to learn guitar construction as well as factory operations. Under his management the company has continued to expand production without compromising craftsmanship. Among the guitar models recently produced was an Eric Clapton limted signature edition. No one needed to tell Eric where a man might find a guitar; he knew the place to go was Nazareth.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 20:16:26 CET 2000 from spider-tn074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.79)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

MattK-good point re pro-Hoskyns but...I wasn't "complaining", just stating an opinion. I definitely recommend the book to anyone interested in The Band.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 20:07:02 CET 2000 from tfsmdgatekeeper1.cda.com (198.80.171.28)

mattk

funny how some folks complain that Hoskyn's book is pro-Robbie and how others claim it's pro-Levon. Maybe it's just pro-Hoskyns...


Posted on Mon Jan 10 19:55:29 CET 2000 from spider-th022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.52)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Brie Sz: If you are a fan of the Band, which I suspect you are, you should definitely check out Hoskyns' book. As with most similair project, don't expect perfection. It is well-written, but (IMHO) has an agenda, which is pro-RR. He relies heavily on quotes and research which come from Robbie's camp. He is especially disdainful of the Band's efforts from the reunion period on, though the book was published pre-Jericho. RR has stated that he only read a few chapters(which, once again IMHO I have trouble believing} and purports little to no use for it. Having said that, though, the book is informative, not totally unbalanced, and belongs on your bookshelf. I suggest you reread Levon's book either before or after reading it. Was I fair, fellow GB readers?


Posted on Mon Jan 10 19:03:23 CET 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

Scott

From: Paramus, NJ & Decatur, NY

One month since Rick's passing. When I let myself think about his death I get very upset. I received the Turning Point schedule in the mail the other day. It was an extremely sobering moment, reading the list and then to realize his name will never be on that pamphlet again.......


Posted on Mon Jan 10 18:51:47 CET 2000 from proxy-642.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.90)

edward blayzor

From: patterson ,ny

i went to the open mike finals at the Towne Crier last night where great musicians showcase thier own material one female performer who`s name i can`t remember did a version of I SHALL BE RELEASED and dedicated it to RICK the greatest harmony singer ever very touching especially when the audience sang the final chorus.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 18:09:58 CET 2000 from spider-wn024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.159)

Linda

From: L.I., N.Y.

Still can't believe I will never be backstage @ Rick's show waiting to talk to him. He always let you back. You waited , made friends and then Rick would come up to you.. he'd give you 100% of his attention. He'd say things like ,'let me see a picture of the kids. or ask something about your personal life so you knew he knew who he was talking to. He listened talked and then would share himself with others , as well as share the laughter. He loved life , loved people and KNEW how wonderful it is to give and get back from others. And now one month later , the rain is still coming down. The shock has kinda worn off and reality is setting in. My prayers are with Rick's immediate family and friends for their continued strength during this time of grief.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 17:25:21 CET 2000 from spider-wa052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.42)

Liz Strazar

From: USA

Listeing to The Band has always brought me back to a time when everything was possible and angst gave way to joy again and again. Just recently my 17 year old son has found the same healing and inspiration in the music of The Band. The symetry of this warms me. Right now I can't get over how much Rick's death has touched me. One of those odd inexplainable emotional waves of experience. I know virtually nothing about him personally but am glad to hear that he lived his life with courage and spirit all the way through...an inspiration. A much belated wish for a restful heart to his family and loved ones.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 17:15:13 CET 2000 from spider-wg033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.33)

butch dener

From: ulster county, N.Y.

Well, another week has passed,,,& that means the Barn Is Still Burnin,,, Wednesday @ The Joyous Lake, Woodstock, N.Y. 9:00 pm,,, $ 10.00,,,,,,, LEVON & THE BARN BURNERS,,,, w/ Miss Amy Helm,, & Mr Garth Hudson,, it's hot,,, it's happening,,, also Saturday, in Albany N.Y.,,, the 15th of January,,, 8:00pm AT The EGG,, N.A.R.Center for the Performing Arts Levon & The Barn Burners,,, W/Garth Hudson on Baby Grand Piano, Miss Amy Helm,,,guest vocals & the Fabulous Barn Burners,,, A Good Time Is Promised to All,,, a Night of Chicago & Delta Blues,,,, see ya there,, anyquestions,, e-mail me,,,, thanks Jan, & everyone who has been coming out to our wednesday parties,,, butch in the Hart Theatre,,,


Posted on Mon Jan 10 17:08:41 CET 2000 from spider-wg033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.33)

butch dener

From: ulster county, N.Y.

Well, another week has passed,,,& that means the Barn Is Still Burnin,,, Wednesday @ The Joyous Lake, Woodstock, N.Y. 9:00 pm,,, $ 10.00,,,,,,, LEVON & THE BARN BURNERS,,,, w/ Miss Amy Helm,, & Mr Garth Hudson,, it's hot,,, it's happening,,, also Saturday, in Albany N.Y.,,, the 15th of January,,, 8:00pm AT The EGG,, N.A.R.Center for the Performing Arts Levon & The Barn Burners,,, W/Garth Hudson on Baby Grand Piano, Miss Amy Helm,,,guest vocals & the Fabulous Barn Burners,,, A Good Time Is Promised to All,,, a Night of Chicago & Delta Blues,,,, see ya there,, anyquestions,, e-mail me,,,, thanks Jan, & everyone who has been coming out to our wednesday parties,,, butch in the Hart Theatre,,,


Posted on Mon Jan 10 14:36:07 CET 2000 from alb1-as5200-43-43.termserv.net (208.20.67.43)

Diamond Lil

From: trying to heal

Medicine Hat: I've always been a very big believer in trying to find humor in _any_ situation...it helps and it heals. And so, because I'm thinking of Rick's memorial service at this moment, I'd like to share a few of the more humorous and "lighter" moments of that day.

The crowd, estimated at approx. 700 strong, waited outside in the cold, damp rain (Mike Lyons..thanks for the biiiig umbrella!) and waited for the 2pm service to start. Now, anyone who knew Rick, knows that the man was _never_ on time...for anything. So of course, the shivering were not even escorted into the Bearsville Theatre until well after 2:30. Rick woulda been proud :-)

Robbie's speech, although one that brought tears to the eyes of virtually everyone, started out with the line "Hey Rick..got a minute?" Made me laugh. Rick _always_ wanted to know if you had a minute...and for him...you always did.

Jules (bless his heart) had everyone laughing at his stories of Rick knocking on his window in the middle of the night, and Rick's notorious habit of "running a little late". He sang a heart-tugging rendition of "Too Soon Gone", which him and Rick wrote, and I realized at that point that probably the _only_ thing Rick ever did early...was leave us.

I think, more than the sadness there that day..there was a real effort to try and capture the essence of Rick...his warm heart and his incredible sense of humor. Just as we all had to cry that day, we all had to laugh as well...at memories of a man who made our lives better just by being in them.

I'm trying to heal now, and I will. The humor helps...alot. Thanks for reading this.

And to the person who asked me about Levon and Robbie that day, let me just say that both were there and any conversation that did or did not take place is a privacy they are entitled to. Thanks.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 14:01:51 CET 2000 from gateway.llgm.com (209.125.166.250)

medicine hat

From: pittsburgh

for obvious reasons, i haven't felt much like posting lately. however, in times of grief, a little humor __is__ the best medicine, and reading the woodstock times article noting a blues festival sponsored by the __nelson rockefeller foundation____(!?!?!?!?!?) did the trick. nelson __was__ quite the bluesman afterall.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 12:24:44 CET 2000 from levon.hiof.no (158.36.51.54)

Jan Høiberg

I've had several complaints about chat room abuse lately. Unfortunately this is very easy to do, all you need is to enter somone else's nickname. I also understand that the person doing this has been chatting as several people at the same time, just by opening more browser windows on his computer.

I'll do a little rewrite of the chat program soon, to make the users' IP addresses appear together with their nicknames. That way it'll be easier to detect impersonators and hopefully the thing will stop ... give me a day or two to sort this out.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 07:59:06 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

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Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison, WI.
Home page

I must say this is my 2nd time here for the new year, and If I may make a comment about what a couple of friends said to me,,,they said that its hard to talk on this guest book unless its about Rick, they said in fear of being flamed by people who may think that they are over reacting in the passage of Rick,,,about drwelling on the subject to much...

Well this is what I think,,,this is a space for anyone, to make homage, to make comments, to share stories of Rick, to pour your hearts out for the friend they lossed. Just like those two friends of mine,,,I to,, can't just come back here to talk about Ronnie Hawkins (although I like him as a musican and all)or whatever, and seemingly act as if Rick never left,,, no way! Some of the stories that were sent to me about people that had brushes with Rick SHOULD BE PLACED HERE! Those stories belong here. No one here is trying to make their brushes with Rick,,,better or more glamerous, than someone elses, everyone has a different story, a different time and a diferent place that they may have talked with Rick, so please people, don't hold your stories of Rick Danko,,,say them hear for everyone...

I do thank all of you,,, that did e-mail me your very beautiful stories of Rick, and I only wish that you please share them here, because they are to wonderful to stay in my 'Inbox Mail Folder. No one will flame you...if they do, then they have no soul.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 06:17:49 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

David Hubbard

From: Madison, WI

As always, congratulations on your great site. One month ago I was totally preoccupied with work, school, and parenthood, and totally missed the story of Rick's death. I just found out yesterday morning through an offhand mention on the car radio. As soon as I got home I looked up everything I could on the net. It's real sad, listening to his "acoustic cafe" program, that he seemed so entirely positive and with an eye on the future. Perhaps we can take some solace in that he died in his sleep and that he was doing what he loved right up until the very end, but he has still left us way too soon. Rick, thanks, I will never forget you and the many times your music has touched me.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 05:18:31 CET 2000 from pm3-086.efn.org (206.163.180.86)

deb mcmanman

From: eugene/springfield, oregon
Home page

Just a few thoughts for Liz, Diamond Lil, Tim Sundog, and all others: don't forget in this stressful time to take care of yourselves (sorry to sound like a Jewish Mother) by getting as much good rest as you can, taking your vitamins, eating right when you can manage to, and treating yourselves kindly. Sometimes we forget those things when going through the grief process. (I get incredibly clumsy and bump into things a lot when I am stressed out). Oh, yeah, it helps if you can find something to laugh about, although that can be tough now. It's still fresh. DJGirl: I wonder if the imposter could be a guy? Or a kid? Or some kind of poltergeist. (Your aorta is a large vein that carries blood away from the heart, I believe).


Posted on Mon Jan 10 03:33:55 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brie Sz

From: NJ

Sunday night -Just finished watching best show on TV - The Simpsons and for some reason i started thinking about the book "Across the Great Divide" -- Having already read Levon's This Wheels on Fire - The question i have is - is "Across" worth the read or is it the same. I'm reading The Terrible Hours by Peter Maas right now but I'm always planning ahead. Some thoughts please


Posted on Mon Jan 10 03:17:37 CET 2000 from alb2-as5200-32-80.termserv.net (208.20.67.80)

Diamond Lil

Rick: One month gone, but not forgotten....

Nothing more to say. Going to bed.


Posted on Mon Jan 10 02:25:10 CET 2000 from spider-wa044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.39)

LIz Kemp

From: mars

where is my aeorta?


Posted on Mon Jan 10 02:23:18 CET 2000 from spider-wa044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.39)

Liz Kemp

From: the country
Home page

If anyone would like a copy of the radio interview I did with Rick in 1992 its good, and informative, and funny , I'll mail ya a tape, I am Dj Girl in the chat room by the way , and I wish the "imposter" would realize her kharma. very bad thing for her to be doing to us friends...... Peace and "play on and keep listening "!"There must be some kinda way outta here, said the joker to the theif, but you and I we've been through that....." Liz K


Posted on Sun Jan 9 23:49:53 CET 2000 from stcath-ppp73117.sympatico.ca (216.208.72.116)

Richard Patterson

From: St Kits

For those in the Ontario cable region, Much Music will be showing "Paul McCartney Live From the Cavern" tonight at 10:30 pm. Hopefully should include some songs from the "Run Devil Run" cd. Sorry for the short notice.

Peter, still curious about Robert Palmer's Band article, can you post it or can it be read on-line somewhere? Happy New Year everyone !!


Posted on Sun Jan 9 23:00:06 CET 2000 from du-tele3-083.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.83)

Peter Viney

Various questions:

Yes, Travis, the Scottish band who are currently number one in the UK album chart, played "The weight" on Jools Holland Hootenay, broadcast 30 December 1999. Thanks for the info from those who e-mailed me - I'd taped the show while I was out. The lead singer appeared on TV a couple of days later duetting with Paul Mccartney on "Let's Have A party" ,

I know no more about the "Works" project than I read in Hoskyns. Sorry!


Posted on Sun Jan 9 22:44:22 CET 2000 from user-33qt91n.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.55)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

Yes, The Weight is featured in the Girl Interrupted trailers, with good reason. The story is set in the late 60's and uses the music of the time liberally, although Wilco supplies a song to the score. The Official Website of the movie has some nice words for the boys and wisely provides a link to our personal favorite website--right here.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 22:13:53 CET 2000 from flowbie1-outside.csc.com (192.251.173.33)

Luke

From: Philly 'burbs

D'Lil (or anyone else) - I know you were at Rick's memorial service. Did you notice if Robbie and Levon spoke or interacted at all? Thanks, Luke.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 21:17:52 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: Those Netherlands

Re Breeze Hill availability: thanx to all those who emailed me, tellin' me my hard times are about to end. No, Breeze Hill's NOT too steep to climb... And Lee - I'll email you privately.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 20:46:36 CET 2000 from node14c87.a2000.nl (24.132.76.135)

marc stil

From: The netherlands

Their my favorit band, i'm listening them every single day. I love them.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 19:23:29 CET 2000 from spider-tp083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.213)

Nancy

From: Chicago

I just saw an ad for the film Girl Interrupted that uses an excerpt from The Weight. Hollywood's repeated use of The Weight, as if there were no other Band songs, continues to annoy me. But maybe it will introduce a whole new generation (yet another one) to the Band.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 19:03:21 CET 2000 from (202.144.10.93)

M.M.Siraj

From: India

As someone far removed from the action - born and bred in India- I can tell you nothing exemplifies American music as much as the Band does. The American ethos I so admire and respect - a way of life that Americans most often seem to try their darnest to negate - has never been so splendidly presented in music. William Carlos Williams wrote a book called'In the American Grain'When i listen to the music of the Band that phrase comes to mind. In the American grain, that's what its all about.Bands may come and bands may go but THE Band is forever. M.M.Siraj sira06@yahoo.com


Posted on Sun Jan 9 17:09:39 CET 2000 from pc58dn1b.fcc.net (216.44.68.88)

Merlyn

Just replaced "Big Pink" on CD (OK, willing to finally admit vinyl is NOT coming back), only to have the CD disappear into my 11 year old daughter's room for her to listen to. Who would have thought The Band would be alongside Britney Spears and Hanson in someone's music collection? Her favorite song? "This Wheel's on Fire!" Go figure.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 14:53:06 CET 2000 from sgw155pub78.bluewin.ch (195.186.155.78)

Stadler Patrik

From: Switzerland

Bye Ricky,thanks for all. To soon gone, god bless you.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 14:33:43 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-43-139.termserv.net (208.20.67.139)

Diamond Lil

Running late for work...so of course, I have to stop and post :-)

Deb: I think your idea of a documentary on Rick is an excellent one, but I do however hope that if and when something like that is done, it's done by folks who knew the man and not just the musician. One of the nicest qualities Rick has (had...damn) was the way he put himself right there in front of you as if to say "this is _me_". I'd hate to see him depicted as anything different than who he truly was. Please understnad this is _not_ a putdown of your idea or your job. I think it's wonderful for you to want to do something like this. It's just that sometimes, facts get misconstrued when not handled by people who genuinely care.

And btw...for any of you who may think _I_ could be involved in a project like this...well..think again. Can barely work the vcr here myself :-)

Have a good day everyone.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 09:27:36 CET 2000 from vdp110.ath02.cas.hol.gr (195.97.2.111)

a fan in Greece

From: Athens

Just wanted you all to know that I made a dedication to Rick on the radio. I called in on his birthday (Dec 29) but they only played it yesterday. It was a taped message, I spoke at length about him, after which I requested "the weight". first time I've heard it played on the air in Greece. Thanks to Radio Gold fm105 in Athens and their "special requests" show.


Posted on Sun Jan 9 07:15:13 CET 2000 from pm3-133.efn.org (206.163.180.133)

deb mcmanman

From: eugene/springfield, oregon
Home page

Hey, Beth; you have me thinking now, about an impossible dream: being somewhat of a basic public access t.v. producer, it would sure be nice if I could do something about Rick that would air here, there, and everywhere. Here's the simple plan: I have a nice gb person sending me a copy of the Hawkins special. I can get the producer info from the credits, contact them, and inquire as to the possibilities of airing it on our local access channel. (It would have to be cheap; we are a non-profit organization). If more tape copies could be made, it might be possible to get them out to other stations. The big plan (dang, I sure wish I had my own editing suite up and running so I could do this myself, but that might be at least a year away): maybe some t.v. producers could get the cutting room floor footage of Rick and make a documentary. Time consuming, costly, etc., but what a neat show that would be. Anyone out there game and in a position to do this? I do work for a network t.v. station also, but it is unlikely that they would air the show; however, I will sure ask (you never know, do you?)


Posted on Sun Jan 9 02:47:57 CET 2000 from spider-tf021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.181)

Ben Turkel

From: New Jersey
Home page

I've been listening to Band (and solo) cd's and tapes constantly through the last month. It's still hard to believe that Rick is gone. He left behind an amazing body of work both on official release and live tapes. If anyone is interested in trading shows, check out the tapelist on my homepage and maybe we can set up a trade. Thanks, Ben


Posted on Sun Jan 9 00:18:08 CET 2000 from pm59-king2.netstep.net (205.232.128.89)

Rodeo Red

From: Woodstock, NY

Check out this article on Levon and the Barnburners http://www.woodstocktimes.com/artsent.htm

Woodstock Times Online - Levon Helm and His Band Wednesdays at Joyous Lake

Wednesdays are for joy at Joyous Lake

Hexagram #58 of the I Ching is two lakes, one on top of the other. They combine to form the hexagram "Joy," which, in some commentaries, means "To make obvious." It certainly could not be any more obvious to anyone walking around Woodstock on Wednesday night that the sounds coming from the Joyous Lake are definitely what’s happening. Levon Helm and the Barnburners, with special guests Amy Helm and Garth Hudson, rocked the packed club, and the good news is they’re on the menu every Wednesday night.

Cooking from the start, this blues group cut its eye teeth down in New Orleans playing as a house band night after night. Practice makes perfect, and it shows. This is certainly the way to keep the winter blues away, with Chris O’Leary on vocals and harmonica, Pat O’Shea on guitar, Frankie Ingracio on bass and Levon Helm keeping it all together with the snap of a drumstick.

A traditional blues band, they get a maximum of sound with a minimum of effort, or maybe it seems effortless because they do it so well. As the evening goes on, the electrical hum sounds as if it is coming from inside your head; one note melts into the other with a twang and a frenzy of hot licks. The vocals of O’Leary, a crooner with an edge, and his harmonica act as a focal point for the group, although the precision presence of the drum and bass throughout are the solid ground from which all this heat takes off.

O’Shea’s lead guitar could entertain us all by itself; he’s a pleasure to watch as well as to hear and his enjoyment and enthusiasm are contagious. Amy Helm, Levon’s daughter, joined the band for several numbers. Her sweet, vibrant voice can sustain a long note and send a shiver down your spine.

Humor is never absent, especially when Hudson is at the keyboard. A request called out from the audience, "Garth, do the Bumble Bee!" was rewarded with a whimsical rendition of a classical favorite. Also memorable was the train song, with the drums moving the locomotive along at 100 mph, and our hearts and pulses racing alongside.

But there’s no disguising a virtuoso’s performance; even when just playing along, the organ keeps spilling over the edges of the song like lettuce peaking out of a sandwich. And when Hudson gets the spotlight it’s like watching multiple acrobats spinning plates in a juggling act that hits all the nerve centers and keeps them whirling.

Envision this band’s performance as all of us being inside a microwave counting down to blast-off. Carry this custom over into the New Year and make it a point to stop by at Joyous Lake on Wednesday and give yourself a musical makeover. Call the club at 679-0367 to find out what else goes on.

Levon and the Barnburners will also be at the Egg in Albany on January 15 for the Blues Festival, sponsored by the Nelson A. Rockefeller Foundation. ++

Christina Starobin


Posted on Sat Jan 8 23:08:04 CET 2000 from spider-wn083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.188)

John R.

From: Massachusetts

When Rick, may he rest in peace, was doing time a couple of years back, there were Rick Danko t-shirts available (I think through the website). Does anyone know if these shirts can still be purchased. His bass playing was a true inspiration to me, and I will miss him greatly.


Posted on Sat Jan 8 20:21:55 CET 2000 from trt-on16-04.netcom.ca (207.181.84.4)

John D

JUST SPOKE WITH THE HAWK. LEVON AND GARTH WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE JAN. 16TH CONCERT BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS BOOKINGS IN THE U.S. THIS WILL BE A NEW BAND WITH RONNIE; WHO HAVE BEEN WITH HIM FOR AWHILE NOW. IT WILL BE CLASSIC RONNIE HAWKINS WITH THE BEST ROCK AND ROLL AROUND. MAYBE HE'LL GET LIGHTFOOT TO JOIN IN ON WHO DO YOU LOVE.


Posted on Sat Jan 8 18:32:57 CET 2000 from pool-209-138-4-173.ipls.grid.net (209.138.4.173)

Bobby Jones

From: Columbus

I was looking for some old band stuff I had stored away and stumbled onto some old tape recordings of the band and the solo projects. I just smiled and moved them to the side. Last nite I went into my 8 year old sons room because I heard Rick Playing. Santa had brought a new boom box. My son had found the tapes and were playing thru them. In the mix was the some of the best tapes from the major groups of 60-70's Rock (Stones,Beatles .. Ect.) My sons choice was the Band brown and Rick solo. Last nite was a very cool nite for me because we spoke about music and how it changed my life. Next weekend we are going to have a Band Night and watch the Last Waltz, The Made in Japan Concert and the Band is Back. I also found some tapes that were recorded in the mid-eighties of Levon at the Get-a-way, These were recorded with Levons permission and were off the sound board. If I remember the line up it was Lee and The Woodstock allstars,(Jimmy Weider, Cindy Cashdollar, Larry Packer, Frank(bass)). If they sound good after all these years I'll get them onto this site. I also found alot of stuff that I will scan in,(from RCO allstars, till the late eighties)once I get a scanner. On thing about the Band Reunion tour, some of the shows were recorded on Video tape by the schools A.V. department. I remember Elmira college and Ithaca College both doing this. Also at the three shows in Eastern Canada (Toronto,Montreal and Ottawa) a Movie Camara was set up and someone was recording. If my memory serves me well, all these camaras were professional Movie Camaras that should have recorded Quality Footage. Till next time!


Posted on Sat Jan 8 17:28:04 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: The Netherlands

WHAT IS THIS!

I've been trying to get "Breeze Hill" for months now and I'm sick and tired of the "Rick Who?" answers that I'm getting, even in the so-called "more specialized" record stores in the Netherlands. Is there anyone in our beautiful Low Countries who managed to buy or order it so far???

And this is to our UK friends:

A friend told me he'd watched a Jools Holland TV show on Christmas Eve with a group called Travis ("Travis Who?" :-) doing a very fine rendition of a Band song. Which one, he couldn't tell (what are friends for...). Does anyone know about this? Peter?


Posted on Sat Jan 8 16:56:49 CET 2000 from spider-to026.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.14)

Beth Radtke

From: Chicago suburbs

Hi again everyone. Listening to Endless Highway here at work on Saturday morning, trying to wake up. I've been watching all of my Rick videos lately, and couldn't help but think that there must be so much footage of Rick doing interviews that didn't see the light of day. Oh to be in charge of that footage. There should be a way for us die-hards to get our hands on that... Also, who here didn't think of Rick at midnight on 12/31/99? Not a one I bet. I toasted to him myself, standing on the streets of Las Vegas. Hope the New Year is treating you all well. Take care --Beth


Posted on Sat Jan 8 14:11:15 CET 2000 from 126.philadelphia-13-14rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.213.126)

carmen

From: PA

Saturday AM here is Lansdale PA listining to my favorite, the "Brown Album". On the subject of Stage Freight, I myself like NLSC better.

I recently read ACROSS THE GREAT DIVIDE and have a question to Peter V or anyone else. What happened to the "WORKS" project mentioned towards the end of the book?

D Lil and Sundog, time heals. Stay strong!


Posted on Sat Jan 8 12:50:04 CET 2000 from spider-wl023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.28)

Mark Belfatto

From: Patterson,New York

My sadness has been lifted.I'm listing to Rick Danko on Acoustic Cafe, recorded on 12/6/1999 and it struck me that Rick was living his life and doing what he loved best right up to his last momments on this earth.Most people never get to do what they dream of, Rick went out and lived life from the very beginng to the very end.He lived an exceptional and charmed life.I,ve been a fan of The Band from the very beginning, the first live show I saw was at Watkins Glen with one million in attendance and the last show I saw was under a small tent with maybe one thousand but The Band always played like it was their last show on this earth and thats the way Rick Danko lived his life.I met Rick several times at his solo shows and considered him a friend.I will no longer mourn his passing, but I will celebrate his life.Thats what he would what us to do.So play the music and smile.


Posted on Sat Jan 8 12:03:41 CET 2000 from host212-140-108-129.btinternet.com (212.140.108.129)

JULIAN

From: SUSSEX ENGLAND

It's nice to visit a sight where one can feel the warmth of others who love the Band as much as we do.I saw the Band once in Toronto in the early days and was hooked.Ricks passing is like a loss in the family


Posted on Sat Jan 8 10:21:16 CET 2000 from 1cust39.tnt20.chi5.da.uu.net (63.20.110.39)

docmaddox

From: decatur,Il

Well it's almost been a month since Rick's passing. And still a great outpouring of support. Did Jerry G. have this kind of venue when he passed on? I have read the posts regarding Stage Fright lately. I love that album.. What does everyone think of Northern Lights/Southern Cross...I think this a great album/CD...Half of it is classic Band songs IMOP..Thank you Jan and others for keeping this great forum alive ..And Lil Diamond too..Listening now to Richard's Hobo Jungle...So sweet.. Doc


Posted on Sat Jan 8 06:05:02 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

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Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

From: Madison, Wisconsin *America's TwilightlanDanko*
Home page

Well,,,This is my first post of the new year, (big deal huh!) and so far things are go'n pretty good. I must say though that coming here seem to be a bit empty for me,,,and its not because of you guessbook friends here, its because I (we) lost a man that meant even more to me than Robbie, and I don't care how much anyone wants to flame/frame me, cuz Ricks passing hurt me far worse that anyone or anything one can say. I truly miss him, and a day doesn't go by without me thinking of him at one point or an other. If this sounds queery to any of you, will than,,, tough sh*t.`

I started listening to 'The Band from day one, and I knew that some day, in my heart, that I was going to meet Rick some day, got my first *Bruno* bass guitar because I loved the bass playing he did on *Chest Fever*, listen to it, go ahead, and tell me if it doesn't move you!

I met Levon one time in L.A. on the SunsetStrip at The House of Blues, and talked with him for a brief brush, and failed to get Ricks attention because of other people chating with him. It was a great show, musically and visually. People were shak'n the house down. At the end of the show, no one was able to go back stage, which pissed me off. So I knew my chances were gone to meet Rick, also I had a limo waiting for my friends and I, so I had no choice but to go home at that point.

Then finally,,after all these years, after seeing The Band/Bob Dylan, and shows after shows, I finally get to meet Rick,` and I mean really meet Rick! To a relative, hes a loved one, to a fan, hes an idol,and I got to meet my idol, and then my love for who he was,,, grew.

Now to those of you that knew him on a personal level, if this hurts me as much it does now, then I do understand the great pain you must be having within you. A passing of a rock star has never afffected me as much as Rick Danko's passing, not even the late great Jerry Garcia, and I pray I never have to feel this way again.

'Lil,,,thanks for being you, and I'm sending you something I think Rick would have wanted you to have, please glance at them every day! `


Posted on Sat Jan 8 04:47:43 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-14-206.termserv.net (208.20.67.173)

Diamond Lil

From: no clue

Coming off a rough day..but feeling ok. Thanks to the folks in the chatroom tonight who read between my rum and coke lines. I know it t'wasnt easy....And um...Lucille...baked clams soon, ok? :-)

Frogs are frozen here I think.. all is quiet in crazyville. Nothing else to do but close my eyes and think of pool balls...and smile :-) Goodnight everyone.


Posted on Sat Jan 8 04:46:19 CET 2000 from ali-ca12-32.ix.netcom.com (209.110.226.224)

bean

From: land of the lost

Please ignore my last post. I actually found the information I was looking for (my brains, which were apparently gone for a moment, have now returned).


Posted on Sat Jan 8 04:17:19 CET 2000 from ali-ca12-32.ix.netcom.com (209.110.226.224)

bean

From: left coast, northern half

Hi all. I have been looking for a copy of the Classic Album video, but all I can find is DVD. Does anyone know where us old-fashioned people can find this thing on video? Does it even exist on video? Any help is appreciated.


Posted on Sat Jan 8 03:10:51 CET 2000 from user-33qt8sf.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.143)

Pat Brennan

From: USA

I've noted some comments referencing the critical slagging of Stage Fright. The reason is simple: Critics are full of crap, our friendly critics on the GB excepted.


Posted on Sat Jan 8 02:47:21 CET 2000 from ch1smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.61)

Blind Willie McTell

From: Toronto

Supplementary to John D.'s post below. Found the info below on the CBC Newsworld web page.

12:30 p.m. ET - Newsworld presents four-and-a-half hours of coverage of an event at the Air Canada Centre in Toronto called A Family Farm Tribute. The event is meant as a tribute and an awareness-raising exercise. They hope to put 15,000 people in the arena. Among the talent that will play are Gordon Lightfoot, Randy Bachman, Prairie Oyster, Michael Burgess, Kevin Parent, Sharon, Lois & Bram, Fred Penner, Jimmy Rankin, Big Sugar, Fred Eaglesmith, Wide Mouth Mason, Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks, Syvlia Tyson and the Toronto Symphony Orchestra.


Posted on Sat Jan 8 02:15:29 CET 2000 from dialin32.montreal.globalserve.net (209.167.12.32)

Kat Sermat

From: Montreal

To all of you who enquired about obtaining a video copy of the Ronnie Hawkins show, I just visited the CBC's Web site (http://cbc.ca) and the video sales section for the series Life and Times, which aired the Hawkins episode. They do release their various shows on video at a very affordable $19.95CDN (esp. for you Americans!) but the Hawkins episode is not yet on the list.

If any of you would like to send a message to CBC Video Sales to let them know of your interest, the address is edsales@toronto.cbc.ca If many people make requests, it might well hasten the process of making the video available.

I saw the show when it aired last Tuesday and enjoyed it a great deal. I was disappointed that there was only the briefest of glimpses of Rick, and no interview at all (lots of Robbie and Levon though, individually of course). I seem to remember reading somewhere on this site or even in the Guestbook that some footage of Rick had indeed been shot in the fall for this show. If this is true, does anyone know why it ended up on the cutting-room floor?

To the Guestbook community: a happier new year than the one just ended. The sorrow does soften and diminish over time, but the memories remain indelible and the music, of course, never dies.


Posted on Sat Jan 8 00:12:29 CET 2000 from host-209-214-106-22.bhm.bellsouth.net (209.214.106.22)

Heath

From: Birmingham, Al

I found this site shortly after Rick's passing while searching for any information I could find about his death. I never met Rick, never had the pleasure of seeing him play live, but maybe that's why the news struck me so hard. I'd missed my chance.

To the many of you in this guestbook who did know Rick, count your blessings! You were lucky, no, you were blessed to be able to spend personal time with a man with so much talent and even more love for his fellow man.

Love to you all.....Heath


Posted on Fri Jan 7 22:23:24 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

Bones: I just recently picked up a sealed LP copy of "Rotogravure" at a used record store but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. The LP's inner sleeve has a detailed list of musicians for each song and I didn't see Levon listed.

Scott: Levon's drums & Rick's bass really compliment each other to nail down the bottom on the "Stage Fright" album. On the DCC gold CD version they're really mixed up front. Last night I was marveling at what Rick & Levon played on "Just Another Whistle Stop" that seem to propel the song along like a train locomotive. Rick's rich & deep bass notes are captured beautifully on the DCC disc, and Levon was doing some incredible yet subtle things with his cymbals & his snare. Listen particularly to Rick & Levon's playing behind Robbie's stinging solos. Just amazing stuff! Rick's bass line really jumps out during the fade at the end of the song.


Posted on Fri Jan 7 21:10:25 CET 2000 from jax-proxy01.firstunion.com (169.200.100.12)

Bones

From: CT

I love the fact that Garth speaks the intro on "Gone Again" on the Idigo Girls record. Does anyone own Ringo's Rotogravure??


Posted on Fri Jan 7 20:02:46 CET 2000 from d600.as2.stpt.wi.voyager.net (169.207.218.100)

Michael J. Dennis

From: Stevens Point, Wisconsin

Hello folks, just thought I’d stop in to pay my respects. I’m a 44 year old musician and play Dobro and the steel guitar in a small group called "Loose Strings". The music of The Band has had a significant influence on my life as I know it has yours. I’ll see you here from time to time.... Take care MJD


Posted on Fri Jan 7 19:37:17 CET 2000 from proxy-563.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.153)

Scott

Stage Fright has been my favorite "drum" album by the Band for years. Listen to the syncopated rythyms that blend with and then enhance the songs. It is one of the few albums I have heard where the drums become an intricate instrument, instead of just providing the beat. I am not talking about technique, but about feeling heart and soul in the rhythm. For me, it brings the songs to another level. Of course the drumming on all their cd's was always creative...It is rare for a drummer to move you emotionally, but that's what they have done to this fan for years. Just one of many reasons why they're the best....


Posted on Fri Jan 7 18:01:20 CET 2000 from trt-on37-56.netcom.ca (209.146.210.184)

John D

DEXY.....that would be the concert that Ronnie Hawkins and every Hawk he can put together from the old days, will be playing on January 16th here in Toronto at the Air Canada Center for Farm Aid Canada. Gordon Lightfoot, Burton Cummings, Sylvia Tyson and many others will also be appearing. Top price only $20.00. If you have Direct TV Satellite in the states you can watch it live on CBC Newsworld.


Posted on Fri Jan 7 17:56:46 CET 2000 from trt-on37-56.netcom.ca (209.146.210.184)

John D

Deb......about the only way you would see it, is if the C.B.C. licenses it to someone in the U.S. like a V.H.1 etc. or someone on the site here taped it and would make you a copy.


Posted on Fri Jan 7 17:46:58 CET 2000 from pm3-110.efn.org (206.163.180.110)

deb mcmanman

From: eugene/springfield, oregon
Home page

So, how do we in the States get the show about Ronnie Hawkins televised down here? (I should know the answer to this; I work for a t.v. station; the NBC affiliate here). It sounds like the show would be of interest to non-Canadians also.


Posted on Fri Jan 7 17:31:07 CET 2000 from (198.139.68.159)

bob wigo

From: havertown,pa.

Can anyone help with my search for a copy of "The Complete Last Waltz"?Please e-mail. Thanks to all who contribute to this wonderful site. I always enjoy my visits.


Posted on Fri Jan 7 16:53:00 CET 2000 from 216-164-222-60.s314.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com (216.164.222.60)

John Molinari

From: Wamboozy

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! I hope everyone is well and looking foward to happier days. Let us all meet at Levon's club ( All- American? ) during New Orleans Jazz Fest and git down! Until then Peace. John Molinari


Posted on Fri Jan 7 16:36:24 CET 2000 from 1cust193.tnt1.topeka.ks.da.uu.net (63.13.63.193)

Dexy

There was a reference here a few days back about word that Levon and the Hawk were planning a "supergroup" of some kind. I imagine it would include Garth -- right? Any further info? Butch????


Posted on Fri Jan 7 14:20:19 CET 2000 from pm2-36.delrio.com (204.216.51.157)

Just Wonderin'

From: Texas

Did anyone of you fellow Canadians (I'm a Canadian temporarily in Texas) happen to tape "Life and Times of Ronnie Hawkins" that you'd be willing to share? I'd be happy to pay for mailing and replace the videotape. Please email me if you can do it. Thanks!


Posted on Fri Jan 7 13:36:45 CET 2000 from spider-tf012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.177)

Linda

From: Long Island,N.Y.

To Diamond Lil , you are truly a diamond , shining thru the coal. My memory serves me too well. I'm sure Rick embrassed John with a big bear hug. Both will be missed today and forever. Try and stay on the sunny side of the street as much as you can. My love to you and the kids , Shaun , Jessica , and Justin .....party on Wayne , party on Garth.


Posted on Fri Jan 7 08:06:22 CET 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

Edward Blayzor

From: PAWLING,NY

Ibeen reading comments in here about STAGEFRIGHT and i have to agree it`s probably my favorite too,thanks to JAN for the best site on the internet.reading everybody`s comments about RICK has been a great healer showing he was a great person as well as a great musician


Posted on Fri Jan 7 04:22:06 CET 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

From: NJ

I was listening to the Albert Hall 1966 cd today on my way to work. What it must have been like for those guys to be on the cutting edge! Everytime I listen to disc 2, it seems the volume isn't loud enough and i find myself turning that dial up a little.

My wife bought me Stage Fright for Christmas. I never understood why it was shrugged off as average -- I find it to be a pretty solid cd, through and through. My wife and i just got in and we were listening to Jubilation in the car - another cd that gets better every time i listen to it.

And thanks for the kind words and stories people have been writing us since i shared our story about Rick singing Book Faded Brown (our song) at our wedding this past October. We were very blessed to have him there.

As soon as i get my scanner I'll be more than happy to share pictures with everyone.


Posted on Fri Jan 7 02:20:14 CET 2000 from alb4-as5200-14-206.termserv.net (208.20.67.173)

Diamond Lil

I'm looking for a star bright, to shine down your light now.....

In memory of my husband John...4 years today. Always here in my heart. Give him a kiss for me Rick.....


Posted on Fri Jan 7 02:18:59 CET 2000 from (208.202.238.228)

Ted

From: Evansville,IN

The Ronnie Hawkins Canadian TV Special sounds pretty decent. Any chance any of you taped it and could make a dub?!? I may have something to trade for it (a dub of some of the video stuff I have) or at least I would pay for postage and a replacemnt tape! Thanks!!!


Posted on Thu Jan 6 21:55:58 CET 2000 from (207.81.190.226)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

David Powell, I've had the exact same experience listening to the brown album over and over again with the bass turned up full on my car CD player over the last few weeks. It's just amazing and after 30 years of listening to this album I still hear incredible things I've never noticed before. When I listen closely to the bass, I find that Rick's playing is brilliantly unconventional - I'm constantly finding that what's actually there is not what I thought was there.

I think I'm going to go through all the Band albums this way and the Gold version Stage Fright is next.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 21:53:40 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Band completists may be interested in a newish budget CD found recently at the local Canadian Tire store: Feels So Good (Chart Toppers CT60442). It's a repackaging of 10 cuts - including the Band doing "Remedy" - from Ronnie Hawkins' Let It Rock! collection from '95. (The songs from Let It Rock! appear in the following order: 15,1,4,18,9,8,6,7,11,5.)


Posted on Thu Jan 6 20:34:33 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.253)

David Powell

From: Georgia

While going back & listening to all my old Band albums (both LPs & CDs) over the last three weeks, one thing I really noticed, in particular, was how impressive Rick's bass playing was on the "Stage Fright" album. He was really doing some amazing things on his bass, especially on the more propulsive songs such as "Strawberry Wine," "The Shape I'm In," "W.S. Walcott Medicine Show," and "Just Another Whistle Stop."

I found that the Capitol first pressing of the LP and the DCC gold CD version, with it's rawer-sounding alternate mix, captured the sound of Rick's bass, along with Levon's drums, the best.

It's funny, but after listening to these recordings over the years, I can still discover some wonderful nuance in the music, and lately I've been focusing on Rick's great bass & vocal parts. I'm still finding things in this music that bring a smile to my face, and in the last few weeks it's been "Stage Fright" that's brought that much needed smile.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 20:12:51 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

From: Toronto

Speaking of Nat Adderley and "Work Song", it seems that Richard Bell's first appearance on record was on a nifty version of that song by Richie Knights and the Midknights. Knight was later replaced by Richard "King Biscuit Boy" Newell, who Hawkins and Helm are thinking of adding to the supergroup they are currently putting together (according to a story in Tuesday's Toronto Star).


Posted on Thu Jan 6 20:07:24 CET 2000 from ny001a-044.cybernex.net (207.198.211.44)

Rick V.

From: White Plains, NY

Made a return trip to Joyous Lake to see Levon's band last night. Another great show, with Garth on keyboards. If anyone gets a chance, don't miss an opportunity to see them, especially in this venue, which is a small club, 8 or 10 tables, and room for maybe a hundred people all told. Amy's set is a real highlight, and last night she did "Same Thing" from Jericho for the first time, along with "Hound Dog", "Shake a Hand", and a Jimmy Reed song which I think is called "Baby What You Want Me to Do". She does a nice job vocally, and she's really easy to look at. If I'm not mistaken, her mom was in attendance as well.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 19:51:21 CET 2000 from icache-3.doit.wisc.edu (144.92.44.76)

Ryan Stang

From: Madison, WI

Hi y'all, Does anybody know a way to get a tape of The Band's set on the first night (July 8th) of their opening for the Dead at Soldier's Field? I saw this show, but would like to hear it again. If anyone interested, I have a line on getting Rick's second show from the Cubby Bear (which I also saw). Thanks in advance.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 15:33:41 CET 2000 from u4-11.wa.net (206.191.134.75)

Joe & Peggy Sue Dusenbury

From: Kent, WA

Amazing site, thanks for your efforts.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 12:55:44 CET 2000 from 6-pool1.ras12.floca.agisdial.net (205.164.80.6)

Sore finger

From: The voting booth
Home page

I'm back. The canoe.ca site's poll is still running. The band Rush has a lead of approximately 200 votes over The Band. The parameters changed a couple of weeks ago. You may now vote _once a day_. Don't be fooled. You can't vote for someone, say in the acting category, hit submit, then vote for The Band. The second vote will not be counted. Once you hit that submit button, that's it for 24 hours. Unless, of course, you are an old hand at this and are familiar with the "modified Norwegian rules".

Seriously, I think the raw talent, glorious music, the hard work, and the mastery of their instruments, matched by few others, has earned our boys their place at the top of the list of Important Musicians in Canadian History. The spotlight might have dimmed a bit with time, they may have been edged back a little on stage by the newcomers, but, it is The Band's music and harmonies that still echo through so much of what has come since.

Go to vote by clicking on Home page above.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 11:03:28 CET 2000 from du-tele3-063.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.63)

Peter Viney

J.Graff: rare records are valuable only if in good condition. Also “Mr Dynamo” isn’t as rare as its predecessor “Ronnie Hawkins” (1959) but having said that one US guide listed “Ronnie Hawkins” at US$120, and a British list had it at £100. I saw one in a British shop a couple of years ago at £100 complete with galling cut-out bin sticker “Three for 99 cents” . BUT I passed that shop frequently and they had it in the window nearly a year at that price. I saw an ad for it in Goldmine at US$185. I looked at the £100 one in Britain and was surprised to see how much the sleeve notes made of the fact that Levon Helm is playing drums. I didn’t see how this would have been a big deal in 1959. Are there facsimile re-issues? It had an authentically thick card sleeve but I had my doubts.

John D. - I was similarly shocked on finding out Jim Lowe’s “Green Door” was the original version, though in my case I’d assumed the original was by Frankie Vaughan.

Let’s remember Nat Adderley, composer of “Work song” and many other wonderful tunes. Yet another great one gone.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 04:26:55 CET 2000 from proxy5.rdc1.on.wave.home.com (24.2.9.37)

Bill

From: Toronto

Hi John: in answer to your question, off the top there's Bob Regan, Keray Regan, Hal Willis, Reg Smith and the Melody Four, the Rock-A-Tunes, Evan Kemp and the Trail Riders, the Stripes, the Prowlers, Buddy Burke and the Canadian Meteors, Vanda King, the Blue Tones, Tommy Danton and the Echoes, Bob Davies, Billy Mason and the Rhythm Jesters, Billy Guitar, Arnie Derksen.

These bands were based across the country, from Vancouver to Montreal. Many of them are included in a Bear Family CD called Shakin' Up North. Hal Willis is represented on an LP of Atlantic rockabillies. Bob King and the Rhythm Jesters are on a recent British compilation of rockers on the Rama label, and Billy Mason and the Rhythm Jesters appear on a sister compilation of Gee R&B sides.

And then there's Frank Motley and the Motley Crew, who came here from Washington in '56 and in essence never left - much like Hawkins. They released three 45s on Quality in '56 and '57, though it's mostly hard to say where or when they were recorded. (The exception would be the a-side of their first Quality release, a hard stompin' version of "Hound Dog" done in Washington in '54 (i.e., pre-Elvis). And since Motley himself played in Hamilton in '53 (and this is documented), rock and roll was not an unknown commodity - on record, on stage or on radio - around here when Rompin' Ronnie arrived.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 04:00:12 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-43-139.termserv.net (208.20.67.139)

Diamond Lil

Reading all the wonderful words about last night's Ronnie Hawkins special makes me wish I got Canadian tv here! Thanks for filling me in on what I missed.

I've asked this before..but does anybody out there have a video of the animated tv show Rick Danko did in the early 80's? I think it was called 'The Glory of Baseball'. Please...if anyone has it...e-mail me. Thanks.

Bedtime now in crazyville. Goodnight everyone.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 03:47:48 CET 2000 from internet-fw.dpws.nsw.gov.au (202.139.47.18)

Blindboy

From: Australia

I would just like to say that this site provides a great service because it brings together a whole group of people from every corner of the globe. Everyone just has a love for the Band and of music in general. Thanks to all the new "Mates" I have made in the last couple of months. May the music continue to bring us all peace in the year 2000 and beyond.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 03:37:00 CET 2000 from trt-on30-65.netcom.ca (207.181.80.65)

John D

Just a few comments about last night's special on The Hawk, Ronnie Hawkins. It was very enjoyable and the footage of Ronnie on American Bandstand with Levon was great. Saw one or two of Serge's photo's there as well. It would have been nice to see comments from Ricky and Garth; but producers call the shots.

I just wanted to say that the kindness of Ronnie Hawkins was what brought me to The Band. If it weren't for Ronnie I'd never have gotten to know them so well, developing a lasting friendship with Levon. It was Ronnie who told John Lennon in '73 that if he was going to be interviewed by anyone in Toronto radio, it should be me. Ronnie plays a tough character; but don't tell nobody.....he's got a big heart and I owe him a lot! "From the hills to the stills and on to the pills" it's racket time!!!!


Posted on Thu Jan 6 03:28:52 CET 2000 from trt-on30-65.netcom.ca (207.181.80.65)

John D

From: TORONTO

BILL MUNSON: Would you mind naming a few of those groups from 54-57. I must admit that my memory prior to Ronnie coming up in '58 is a little foggy. By the way Bill....Cross Canada Hit Parade doesn't count with Joyce Hahn and Wally Coster. It was a couple of years before I realized that Jim Lowe actually did Green Door and not Coster. A-h-h-h CBC in the 50's.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 03:20:19 CET 2000 from as52-02-102.cas-lon.golden.net (207.139.234.102)

J.Graff

From: Canada

I watched the great show on Ronnie Hawkins last night.My wife was given a copy of Mr. Dynamo for baby sitting in the sixties.Are these records rare?She is just curious about it.Thanks.


Posted on Thu Jan 6 03:15:56 CET 2000 from ip60.perthamboy.nj.pub-ip.psi.net (38.14.56.60)

Sharon Brown

From: New Jersey

I am so happy that we have this web site- it's nice to know there are so many Band fans. I've loved the Band's music ever since I saw "The Last Waltz". Peace to you Ricky- and thank you for a real good time.


Posted on Wed Jan 5 19:20:30 CET 2000 from mnet05-45.austin.texas.net (207.207.3.129)

Laura Holt

From: Austin, TX

Just a quick note to all like me that felt the loss of Rick's passing. I, like alot of fans never got the experience of seeing Rick or any of the others grace the stage. It's a shame that so many people do not know how wonderful this timeless music really is. Being 31 and a true Band fan is different. So many of my peers do not "get it" I wish they would. They really don't know what they are missing in these 5 guys that created what they did. I'm very happy to know that this site is here so that I can talk with others who truely appreciate this well written music. R.I.P. Ricky!


Posted on Wed Jan 5 10:19:28 CET 2000 from ts1-16.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.16)

D.Smith

From: Vancouver

I watched the CBC Ronnine Hawkins special tonight as well and thought it was good.Like you Bill i didn't cotton to the idea that Canada knew nothing of Rock'n'Roll before the Hawk arrived.I prefer to think he came up here and found it in the form of The Band.I was surprised at the other members of The Hawks that nobody hears about but everybody knows ie:David Foster,Beverly D'angelo.They were both post 'Band' member, who knew?!? After seeing all the people who have played with Ronnie then gone on to fame and fortune one can't help but think of John Mayall who was doing the same thing in England.His bands produced the likes of Eric Clapton,Mick Fleetwood,Peter Green,John McVie and Mick Taylor.Between the two of them they laid the foundation for alot of great music even if their own careers didn't go supernova.The Hawk is not one to give up though,he says if he doesn't hit the big time in the next 25-30 years that's it he's packing up and going home :^} peace all Doug


Posted on Wed Jan 5 06:49:56 CET 2000 from spider-tf064.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.204)

Lori

From: Chicago

My heartfelt sympathy to the Danko family, The Band and Rick's friends. Have been a fan since nearly the beginning and I will miss him greatly. I was blessed to be able to attend Rick's show on Dec. 4 at the Cubby Bear North outside of Chicago. It's such a bittersweet memory--the joy of seeing & hearing him play once again, but then to soon learn that it was his next-to-last performance was heartbreaking. It was such a thrill to meet him after the show and tell him how much his music means to me. He was gracious and charming. May time ease the pain of losing him and may the legacy of his music keep his spirit with us.


Posted on Wed Jan 5 05:57:43 CET 2000 from proxy5.rdc1.on.wave.home.com (24.2.9.37)

Bill

From: Toronto

The CBC's hour-long look at Ronnie Hawkins, which ended 90 minutes ago, was very well done. Lots of neat video clips - Hawkins/Hawks on American Bandstand, Hawkins and bride emerging from church after wedding followed by Levon the best man, a young Robbie Robertson (looking 15) walking somewhere undefinable, Hawkins on stage in mid-60s with post-Band Hawks, including the great Eugene (then Jay) Smith (who years before had tipped Toronto media to Hawkins' marriage, and soon after becase a regular guest singer with Hawkins and the Band/Hawks. Also lots of present-day interview time with Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm (separately of course; Levon sounded terribly hoarse but looked fine). And even present-day livingroom sessions with Levon and Ronnie and others playing some tunes.

The only galling part for me was the narrator repeating the accepted but superficial line that Hawkins brought rock and roll to Canada. I've got a bunch or records by a bunch of Canadians (from '54-'57) that belie that claim (which is not Hawkins' own, but others' on his behalf), and even before then all of Canada's major cities were on some transborder circuit or other so were constantly visited by touring US R&B and R&R acts from at least as early as '52.


Posted on Wed Jan 5 05:37:14 CET 2000 from ch1smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.61)

Stanley Landau

From: Toronto

I had the pleasure of watching the CBC special on Ronnie Hawkins this evening. It was very well produced and featured interviews with Levon and Robbie (filmed separately)and some wonderful old footage of Ronnie and the Hawks. Hopefully those who can't get CBC will have an opportunity to see this soon.


Posted on Wed Jan 5 03:44:18 CET 2000 from agent.lisco.com (208.145.207.50)

rick cicalo

From: new york..living in iowa

Love The Band and this web site does a good servive to all of us...anyone know what Robbie said at the Memorial service for Rick??? There was little reporting on any of it and to hear his comments would be a good thing...don't you folks agree?


Posted on Wed Jan 5 03:04:33 CET 2000 from 1cust7.tnt22.sfo3.da.uu.net (63.27.230.7)

Edwin DeShazo

From: San Francisco

I am a recording engineer from L.A. I first recorded Rick and Garth at Paramount Studios in L.A. in 1988. I also worked with Rick in 1992 in N.Y. and I also went to Japan with Rick in April 1997. I live in San Francisco now, and would like to hear from musicians that play from the heart like Mr. Danko and Mr. Hudson. Rick liked me so much that I got to sing with him and/or Maude on two of the three songs that we recorded. It was a highlight of my career. Edwin DeShazo


Posted on Wed Jan 5 00:55:47 CET 2000 from 1cust7.tnt1.topeka.ks.da.uu.net (63.13.63.7)

Dexy

Butch -- thanks for the updates. So glad that Levon and Garth are playing together again. Hope they take that show on the road.


Posted on Tue Jan 4 23:06:38 CET 2000 from ti01a64-0286.dialup.online.no (130.67.7.158)

Alexander Pettersen

Home page

Hi. Good site. Check out Blue Experience.


Posted on Tue Jan 4 23:03:24 CET 2000 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

Note to jhwygirl: Re the Ronnie Hawkins special. Tonite at 9. Not CBS but CBC (as in Canadian Broadcasting Corp.)


Posted on Tue Jan 4 21:00:14 CET 2000 from jax-proxy01.firstunion.com (169.200.100.12)

Bones

From: CT

Does anyone know which track on Ringo's Rotogravure CD Levon plays on?? This site claims he plays mandolin on the album, but I could not find his name in the liner notes. Why, if he is on the record, was his name left off?


Posted on Tue Jan 4 20:44:12 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.194)

David Powell

From: Georgia

The Band's "The Weight" is included in the soundtrack of yet another movie, "Girl, Interrupted." The film, starring Winona Ryder and Angelina Jolie, opens January 14th. The soundtrack also features "It's All Over Now Baby Blue" by Them featuring Van Morrison, "Time Has Come Today" by the Chambers Brothers, Jefferson Airplane's "Comin' Back To Me," Wilco's "How To Fight Loneliness," and "The End Of The World" by Skeeter Davis, among other selections.


Posted on Tue Jan 4 17:23:45 CET 2000 from proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.63)

jhwygirl

From: NW Wyoming

Isn't CBS doing a special that includes Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks tonight? Thought I saved that link but can't seem to locate it. Remebered it as January 4th....could be wrong though. Love to all you people.


Posted on Tue Jan 4 16:31:36 CET 2000 from spider-wc034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.34)

butch dener

From: ulster county, new york

Hello ya'll,,, Thanks to all of those who made the trip to Levon & The Barn Burners show,, w/ Amy Helm & Garth,,, Back by popular demand,, the EXACT SAME LINE-UP,,, Garth, too,, tomorrow,, Wednesday,, in Woodstock,,, 9 p.m. ,,,, $ 10,,,,, see ya there,,, oh yeah,, we actually had a rehearsal,, so there will be new tunes, again,,, so, thanks to JAN, for the use of his space, here,, & to all of you who support us, & live music, everywhere,,, ,,,& dont forget,, Jan 15th in Albany,,, @ The EGG,,,, get your tickets, now,, for Albany,,, Blues with a feeling,,, butch


Posted on Tue Jan 4 15:30:59 CET 2000 from (137.187.145.219)

Alex Hoffman

From: Baltimore, MD

Michigan Live Acoustic Cafe is currently offering Rick's final live studio performance, taped Dec 6th w/Aaron Hurwitz. It's at http://www.mlive.com/cafe/ Happy New Year, all!


Posted on Tue Jan 4 10:45:53 CET 2000 from ti50a95-0151.dialup.online.no (130.67.50.151)

Magnus

From: Halden , Norway
Home page

Hei Pappa!! Hvordan går det med Sera?


Posted on Tue Jan 4 02:25:27 CET 2000 from pcf2dn1d.fcc.net (216.44.70.242)

Merlyn

LEVON HELM- If you read this guestbook, just read "This Wheel's on Fire." Excellent..... thanks for walking me throught The Band's (and your) history in such vivid and entertaining detail. Still terribly saddened on the passing of Rick Danko. Anyone hear the Vin Scelsa tribute to Rick? Perfect for those who needed to have a damn good cry.


Posted on Tue Jan 4 00:57:10 CET 2000 from ip-92.global2000.net (209.203.144.92)

Steve

From: Albany NY

It is great to see all the nice tributes to Rick. I wished I could've been in Bearsville for his memorial but it couldn't happen. For all the speculation by everybody about Robbie R's non-involvement with the Band in the last 20 years, it was good to see that he WAS at the service. Even he knows (and didn't deny) what an important influence Rick was, for him. I hope the tracks Rick was working on get out...and according to the Rolling Stone article there is talk of some kind of release. Great! If anybody's read this far could you let me know where I can purchase the video of Classic Albums: The Band. I hear it's a must see!


Posted on Mon Jan 3 23:02:25 CET 2000 from spider-wd012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.152)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

I just re-read my post from a couple hours ago, and I apologise for all those typos! For some reason AOL has been unceremoniously and abruptly knocking me off-line after short periods, this started last Thurs. after I returned home from J.L. I find myself typing hurriedly and obviously not previewing properly. I'm especially taking myself to task for capitalizing the word "band" when I referred to the Barnburners. A good band they are, but... It was probably a Freudian slip as much as a typo. I'll try to be more careful.


Posted on Mon Jan 3 21:35:35 CET 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Rod

From: the usual place
Home page

at one place I used to work staff were broken down into two categories - geeks and nerds. The geeks did PC support and the nerds like me looked after the the mainframes. Strangely enough very few of either group had heard of The Band.


Posted on Mon Jan 3 20:54:03 CET 2000 from spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.56)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa,N.Y.

Oh Yeah, I almost forgot-Butch DID start the night off with a Happy Birthday to Rick! Also, thanks to Rick from Suffern,N.Y. for joining us. Rick and I met at the memorial service in Bearsville and have been corresponding since. I was delighted that he showed up. Excelsior!


Posted on Mon Jan 3 20:44:35 CET 2000 from spider-tr064.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.204)

Bashful Bill

From: Minoa, N.Y.

Ghostrider and anyone else interested:My 15 yearold son and I made the 180 mile drive to Woodstock last Wed . and returned the next day. We had a wonderful time. I got him to listen to Lucinda williams, L.H. and the Crowmatix and NLSC, my 2nd favorite Band album after Big Pink. Heplayed me some of his hip-hop stuff. The staff at Joyous Lake couldn't have treated us better. It was a night of the blues and nothing but the blues. Covers by Muddy, Big Joe Turner, Freddie King(who was a better guitar player than his cousin B.B.IMHO), many others. I think they introduced one tune as an original.Amy played 3 or 4 songs, including a sexy version of Hound Dog which was nothing like Elvis'. The only Band-related song wasMystery Train. After a long set many oldsters(Over 40 like me} left and were replaced by a bunch of young tiedied, deadhead phish-head types who boogied their asses off and did my old heart ,and I hope Levon and Garth's, good. Garth BTW was Garth. He spent a lot of time fiddling with and grimacing at his dials and stuff but played great once he put his mind to it. The rest of the Band were all good at what they do-siger?harpist, stand-up bass and guitarist. My son was impresses, especially by Garth and his eccentricities: the karate chops, Staring sat Levon during his organ solos, his obvious discomfert in the spotlight, etc. Wish you were there.


Posted on Mon Jan 3 20:20:39 CET 2000 from first.firstunion.com (169.200.25.142)

Bones

From: CT

Happy New Year Everyone!

Jan: Thanks again for a wonderful place to be.


Posted on Mon Jan 3 16:08:14 CET 2000 from dialup-087.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.87)

Hank Wedel

From: Cork City, Ireland
Home page

Greetings all you folks who love The Band!! I tried, to no avail it seems, to sign on to the guestbook on New Years Eve to tell you all that there will be tribute gig for the late, great Rick Danko right here in Cork City, Ireland on Sunday night Jan. 16th featuring my band, "Open Kitchen" and another Cork City band "Two Time Polka" at "The Lobby Bar", Union Quay. Maybe some of you already know this but Rick played two great shows at The Lobby here in Cork back in 1993 and his passing saddened all of us who met him that time and who loved his and the Bands music thru the years. Rick is an all time hero of mine and I'm proud to tell y'all I had the pleasure of meeting him a few times here in Ireland and in NYC. Everytime he gave me nothing but good advice and encouragement. There's a photo of Rick and I on my home page if y'all want to see it......I could write all day and night about how much I loved Rick and his music, but hey, tell ya what, if you're anywhere near Cork City , Ireland on Jan 16th, drop into the Lobby and we'll celebrate the man with some songs and some rock and roll.....regards and sympathy to Ricks wife, Elizabeth, his family, his fellow musicians and friends..........I'll write to this guest book again after we do that gig on the 16th............God bless Rick Danko........All The Best.......HANK WEDEL


Posted on Mon Jan 3 11:21:43 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-26-122.termserv.net (208.20.67.122)

Diamond Lil

From: exhaustion

5am here...been pretty much up all night. On overload I suppose. I've been wanting to post for the past few days, and find that as soon as I get here, whatever was in my head goes out of it, and all I can think of is Rick. And so I delete those thoughts ( at least I hope I delete them or Jan must have a big cache of un-entered stuff from me....) And so, I figure at this point, I might as well just post what's in my heart here.

All of us, together..have been through something that still (at least to me) feels surreal. The healing has begun, but it takes awhile... The world is a much emptier place without Rick in it, but he made all our lives fuller just by being here for the time that he was. That's a nice thing to remember.

To Danielle: Have been thinking so much about you and your family. Your last post about it not getting "easier" really hit me hard. When my husband died (4 years ago this week), I remember that desperation for the feeling of it all getting "easier". And so...I want you and your family to know that although it doesn't necessarily get "easier"..it does get "softer". I can think back now and smile and laugh about the good memories, which was very hard to do at the beginning. You'll find that too Danielle...I promise. And until that day comes, take comfort in how very much Rick was loved, and how very many lives he touched. I wish you peace.


Posted on Mon Jan 3 10:26:52 CET 2000 from pm3-108.efn.org (206.163.180.108)

deb mcmanman

From: eugene/springfield, oregon
Home page

This is a fantastic site and guestbook; thanks much for the opportunity. Something silly: I appreciate the tributes to Rick D. in which people name their new children after him. I don't have any on the way, but I did acquire a kitty recently. Wanting a nice name, I decided on Rick, which is odd for a girl cat, but the name translated somehow to Rikki. She sure comes running when her name is called. And, she sings a lot and is very sweet and fun. So, the good attitudes that Rick Danko distributed are even spreading to animals. Hallalujah!


Posted on Mon Jan 3 06:04:53 CET 2000 from ts1-27.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.27)

D.Smith

Happy New Year all! hope you all had a safe one.For those intrested The CBC is running the Ronnie Hawkins episode of 'Life and Times'Tuesday night at 9:00P.M.Peace brothers and sisters from North of 49.Doug


Posted on Mon Jan 3 05:16:23 CET 2000 from 209-239-195-150.oak.jps.net (209.239.195.150)

Molly

From: Mill Valley, CA

I hope everyone has a great new year. Jan, I also hope your other email works soon. And please, no one impersonating each other. We don't really appreciate it when we are. Love to the Danko Family also.


Posted on Mon Jan 3 02:29:53 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: netherlands

jh

It was fun to read about Rick's Fender Bass VI as well...

and when you come to the Netherlands you're most welcome. I'd love to hear you say "Mag ik een kilo bananen van u? Sorry, ik heb geen wisselgeld."

Doei! (btw don't say that please, you'd sound like a real "geek" in the 2nd sense :-)


Posted on Mon Jan 3 00:28:04 CET 2000 from jan-hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.52.15)

jh

I was just thinking about which of the ca. 2000 web pages (not counting binaries, i.e. sounds, images, videos and icons) on this site that I've had the most "fun" creating. Hypertexting and adding graphics to Lee's interviews and Viney's articles, organizing Serge's incredible photos .. there's so much to choose from ... and as much as I love the music and the persons behind it and the films and the photos ... finding out the "truth" about Danko's 1963 Fender Bass VI (not to mention when I stumbled upon a scan of that ad for the 1955 6-string Danelectro UB2) is probably what I enjoyed most.

From the Merriam-Webster Online-Dictionary:
Main Entry: geek
Pronunciation: 'gEk
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from English dialect geek, geck fool, from Low German geck, from Middle Low German
Date: 1914
1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake
2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disapproved of
- geeky /'gE-kE/ adjective

Of course, no web page or site or computer or network can compete with the friendship, the love, and the rare "real-life" meetings that all this has lead to. I hope to meet more of you guys soon. Netherlands' next, I hope.


Posted on Sun Jan 2 21:04:15 CET 2000 from pm3-038.efn.org (206.163.180.38)

deb mcmanman

From: eugene/springfield, oregon
Home page

Hey, no one's been impersonating me (sorry, I couldn't resist). Isn't there some way a tech-head could figure out the origination of the false postings? There should be. I will ask my computer consultant when I talk to him. A message for you all: it DOES get easier (bit by bit), with time. And, remember to take care of yourselves in this stressful time (vitamins, rest, good and nutritious food, good support from WHATEVER non-destructive sources you have, and of course, hang on to all of your fond memories).


Posted on Sun Jan 2 19:14:36 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

To JH

Someone was even impersonating YOU today - singing the Banana Boat Song

Nej vi har ingen bananer (uskyld - couldn't find a Norwegian tourist language guide ;-))


Posted on Sun Jan 2 17:48:54 CET 2000 from jan-hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.52.15)

Jan Høiberg

FYI: I've been unable to read e-mail for three days now, going through withdrawal here. They shut down the mail servers before New Year, should be restarted tomorrow. In case of ehm...emergency, you may try using the mail address janh@johanna4.hsr.no.


Posted on Sun Jan 2 17:20:51 CET 2000 from proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.33)

jhwygirl

From: the yellowstone territories

To diamond lil, and everyone else....Someone has been using my name in the guestbook too and I caught him last night myself, after I had signed off. A real butt-head, to put it nicely. If it is the same person, he has used Levon's, Garth's, and RR's name too.

So, in Miss Lil's words, "If it doesn't sound like me, it ain't me!"


Posted on Sun Jan 2 13:49:00 CET 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

From: low countries

Hey Lil... someone impersonating you? How can anyone be so low... can't be true... you're inimitable... :-)

Anyway... have another 2000 musical years everyone


Posted on Sun Jan 2 12:58:17 CET 2000 from (62.172.135.225)

Andrew Hilton

From: Glasgow
Home page

What a great site for me to surf into. I haven't followed The Band for several years, and am saddened to hear of Rick's death. The music has always been with me and always will be. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the complete Last Waltz ?


Posted on Sun Jan 2 12:49:12 CET 2000 from ht0115-2.dial.wxs.nl (195.121.160.115)

Jan-Willem van den Akker

Happy new year to all of you, band friends.My thoughs are by Rick's family.


Posted on Sun Jan 2 10:37:46 CET 2000 from p33-sparrow-gui.tch.virgin.net (194.168.73.213)

Roger

From: LondonUK

Does anyone have the Bands' playlist from the Wembley Stadium concert with CSNY, Joni Mitchell, Tom Scott and Jesse Colin Young on Saturday Sept 14 1974. Happy days and great memories.


Posted on Sun Jan 2 05:18:17 CET 2000 from spider-wl013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.23)

Ghost Rider

From: In Your Yard

Happy New Year to all.

I was hoping for more info on last Wednesday night's Levon/Garth/Amy/& the Barn Burners show in Woodstock, from anyone fortunate enough to have attended. Set list, any references at all to Rick's passing, or to the fact that the performance was taking place on what would have been his birthday? I guess it would be too much to expect that Levon is handling any singing duties yet...but I could be wrong, I hope...anybody?


Posted on Sun Jan 2 04:46:52 CET 2000 from alb3-as5200-22-118.termserv.net (208.20.67.118)

Diamond Lil

To the idiot who is impersonating me: Caught you and want it to _stop_. Now.

And to the few people I talk to in the chatroom, if it doesn't 'sound' like me..it's not. Sorry. And thanks.


Posted on Sun Jan 2 00:10:00 CET 2000 from 1cust54.tnt3.trenton.nj.da.uu.net (63.17.128.54)

Gary Lipsius

From: Just a lifelong fan

Just a nobody from Pa, who wanted to thank The Band for their music. It has been a big part of my life from the begining.


Posted on Sun Jan 2 00:07:38 CET 2000 from ppp16893.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.134.13)

DAN WASHIK

From: WATERFORD, ONTARIO

JUST A SHORT NOTE TO PASS ALONG MY DEEPEST REGRETS TO THE DANKO FAMILY ON THE PASSING OF RICK. I'VE FOLLOWED THE BOYS FROM THEIR HUMBLE BEGINNINGS HERE IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO. THEY TRULY WERE AN INCREDABLE COLLECTION OF ARTISTS WHO CONTINUE TO HAVE A STRONG FOLLOWING FROM THIS PART OF THE WORLD.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 22:54:36 CET 2000 from ppp34.capslock.net (209.45.253.97)

Joffo Simmons

From: Pittsburgh,Pa.
Home page 1 Home page 1

This message is for Levon Helm.I met you at the Atlantic City HarbourFest.back in 96'.I'm the drummer for Joe Grushecky and the Houserockers.I say this for all of the Houserockers,We would like to send our heartfelt condolenses to the BAND on the death of Rick Danko.You guys our in our top 3 alltime favorite groups.After we played with you,we went back home and learned every song off of Music from big Pink.Playing with you and Bruce Springsteen has truly been the highlight of our careers.It made my day as a drummer to see you play up close.You were very nice and a class act.The day Rick died I got on the radio here in Pgh. and told everyone what it was like to meet you guys and sing Happy Birthday to Garth Hudson.I will always remember that.I still wear the two shirts and the cap you gave me Levon.I will always cherish them.I recently got married last year and my wife and I were in New Orleans and we stayed at the Bienville House next door to your club but we just missed the opening.We left town two days before your opening.I had to get back to Pgh. to play a gig with the Houserockers.When I go back there I'll have to drop in.When are you guys coming back to Pgh.?Is your video drum instruction tape still available?Where can I get it?Also,The Houserockers have just released a Live CD ccalled "Down the Road a Piece" it features Bruce Springsteen on 3 Cuts from when he toured with us in 95'.He produced our "American Babylon"CD.Send me your Mailing address and I'll be glad to send you a copy.Take Care of yorself and have a Prosperous New Year.With Much Love,Joffo Simmons


Posted on Sat Jan 1 22:48:59 CET 2000 from ti09a62-0245.dialup.online.no (130.67.58.117)

Groan Alone

Home page

Jan, Looking through these pages,reading the guestbook,listening to Woodstock Radio's Danko tribute (thanks to you),I can't help but feel the power of live song oriented music floating around in these "Modern Times" Happy New Year !!


Posted on Sat Jan 1 21:43:06 CET 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Rod

From: The first country to see the new millenium.
Home page

Jan, thanks for putting the clips from Breeze Hill on the site. The songs sound great - especially (suprisingly) Ophelia.

Happy New Year.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 17:31:30 CET 2000 from unamed-150-6.wi.net (207.250.150.252)

Jeff Johnson

From: Milwaukee

I was fortunate to see the Band play in St. Paul in the summer of 1974. I recall the rumors circulating that night that Dylan would make a triumphant return to his home state. There was a cool buzz in the air and, even though Mr. Zimmerman never showed up, it was a great and memorable night. Last night, we rented "The Last Waltz" and I am reminded what wonderful musicians Richard Manual and Rick Danko were.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 14:37:12 CET 2000 from 1cust219.tnt1.white-horse.nj.da.uu.net (63.24.236.219)

Kurt

From: NJ

to All: Happy New Year! Just remember that "we shall meet again if your memory serves you well". Rick, God bless you and the Danko Family. Kurt


Posted on Sat Jan 1 08:35:20 CET 2000 from (209.32.131.18)

Pete Rivard

From: Hastings, MN

HAPPY NEW YEAR from Minnesota!!! A historic warm winter thus far. I put it down to a frustrated blast from Hell, being denied Mr. Danko's presence.

Come down to the Fine Line in Minneapolis Monday evening. Max Snow and I will be hitting the stage at 8 p.m. Max is a local singer/songwriter and who hails from New York, and who's parents ran a pub in the Saugerties area frequently graced by various Band members.

I myself have 100% New York blood in my veins, my mother a Yonkers native (her father was an Irish cop from New York who sang tenor in a barbershop chorus) and my old man from Ticonderoga (his dad and brother paper mill workers and he a Columbia grad via the GI Bill).

Max and I did an "unplugged" gig the night Rick passed away, unknowingly doing three or four Band tunes in addition to all his tunes and one or two of mine. Come and see us if you're in the area.

A healthy, happy and prosperous New Year to all Band fans, and may our numbers increase as young 'uns stumble onto the treasure trove that we have hoarded for the past 30 years.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 07:35:42 CET 2000 from dialup85-71.telenet.net (208.20.85.71)

Danielle

From: Upstate New York

Happy New Year? It ain't getting any easier... Thanks to everyone for your letters, emails, guestbook entries, donations and kind words...Rick, we love and miss you!


Posted on Sat Jan 1 07:30:54 CET 2000 from (216.26.57.108)

Ric Wunn

So many good hours of listening. So many laughs and smiles. We'll miss you Rick.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 07:12:23 CET 2000 from pm457-17.dialip.mich.net (198.110.21.123)

Twilight

Spent the evening with my good friends John & Mike. We watched "The Band" video and brought in the new year with a long walk and a warm meal. Is there a better rocker than "Slippin & Sliding" from the box set? Bless you all out there - Happy New Year - best thoughts to Rick & Richard.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 06:59:48 CET 2000 from ppp75.map.com (204.71.19.75)

Charlie Henrickson

From: Massachusetts

Thank you to Rick - - - "Danko can sing his ass off." - Paul Body Thank you for making me understand what it is to lose love---that performance in The Last Waltz of It Makes No Difference was the truth. Rick Danko: pioneer of the deep percussive bass sound---the modern electric sound associated with 70s funk and 80s dance music. Not to mention the angelic voice, the interpreter of The Unfaithful Servant. He was a brown=eyed handsome man.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 06:41:23 CET 2000 from 209-239-202-192.oak.jps.net (209.239.202.192)

Phil

From: Ca

There is a Ronnie Hawkins interview concerning John & Yoko's stay with him in 1969 (if anyone is intrested) at this url < http://www.best.com/~abbeyrd/hawkins.html >

Happy New Year!!!


Posted on Sat Jan 1 06:28:25 CET 2000 from qncya030-0955.splitrock.net (63.252.7.193)

Paul Gerstein

From: Amherst, MA

By 1970 the Band had entered the archtypal level of my deepest consciousness. The Weight, Tears of Rage, Long Black Veil--without these icons, how could life go on? Standing at a bus stop late at night in some backwater town in upstate New York on my way back to Rensselaer Polytech I struck up a conversation with a middle-age lady who asked me if I might know her nephew, Rick Danko. I've never forgotten that magical moment and the sense of some deep karmic connection. Love you Rick. Sleep tight.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 06:19:08 CET 2000 from spider-wc073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.53)

Linda

From: Long Island , N.Y.

Happy new year to everyone. May all be happy and well on their way to new beginnings , health , and knowing that listening to music brings harmony to the mind. Just got done banging the pots and pans outside to ring in the new year. Diamond Lil, here amongst family and memories and lots' of laughter. Wishing everyone the best that life can offer. Happy year 2,000.! Njoy


Posted on Sat Jan 1 05:13:12 CET 2000 from spider-tf061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.201)

Diamond Lil

From: the bottom of the bottle

11pm..one hour to go. Drinks going down waaay too good. Good friends, good time. Kids upstairs dancing, fireworks outside....and music music music. Only thing missing is someone to juggle the pool balls :-)

Hug Jan. Miss you...


Posted on Sat Jan 1 04:35:04 CET 2000 from 1cust235.tnt20.chi5.da.uu.net (63.20.110.235)

Doc

Hi all. This is such a great site. I have been visiting this site for a couple of weeks. To the Danko family, Enjoy your New Year like Rick would won't you too. I never meet him but was able to see him 5?95 in Memphis, Tn. Hope you all have a great New Year, K? Doc


Posted on Sat Jan 1 03:40:45 CET 2000 from d23.as6.dytn.oh.voyager.net (207.90.118.151)

Phil Hartje

From: Kettering, Oh

I heard of Rick Danko's passing yeterday. I've never written anything on the internet before now, but just wanted to say what a great influence Rick and the Band were in my life. I remember first hearing the band when I was 15 and writing an English essay on the "group of the future." I saw the "Last Waltz" with my brothers in Santa Cruz Ca. 10 years later. I finally saw the Band live at Bogarts in Cincy about 4 years ago. What a terrific concert...what a tremendous group...what a truely gifted musician was Rick Danko. Thanks for all the great memories.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 01:26:18 CET 2000 from pm3-217.efn.org (206.163.180.217)

deb mcmanman

From: oregon, usa, world
Home page

Hey all: you got a minute? This has been a bittersweet experience, but ultimately healing. It is sad that some of us have not made it to see the year 2000 (I never thought I would see it happen; it seems so large) but I'm sure those who have "departed this earthly coil" are in a very good place working even more miracles, and I know that those of us left on this planet will help carry the torch. Rock on, keep the music alive in your heart and soul, and pass the magic along. It's the only way to fly.


Posted on Sat Jan 1 00:32:08 CET 2000 from jan-hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.52.15)

Jan Hoiberg

From: Halden, Norway

Half past midnight here, and The Band web server survived into the new millenium (my e-mail service is dead, though...) Happy New Year to all Band fans around the globe, your support and the contributions are incredible. Tom, Lil, Linda, Mark, Carole, Lee, Butch, Garth, Levon, Serge, Paul, John. D., and you all, thanks for making me "keep on keepin' on". Rick, the music will live forever.


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