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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, April 2010


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Posted by:

Carol

Subject: Rick/Dylan/1965 photo from Ondine

The mystery woman in the photo with Rick and Dylan at Ondine is most definitely *not* Sara Dylan according to the photographer, Jerry Schatzberg, who also co-owned the club.

I am in the process of interviewing Mr. Schatzberg about some of his iconic photos, and of course the question of the woman's identity, the subject of much speculation over the years among Dylan fans, came up.

Mr. Schatzberg told me that the woman's name, to the best of his recollection, is Venetia Cunningham, who was a friend of his at the time.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: You've got to pick up every stitch …

… as David has just done. That's a Garth performance I'd never heard of. Many thanks. I was always particularly fond of the song too.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Bob's back pages

westcoaster: speaking of 12-strings, "My Back Pages" is a great favorite of mine as far as Byrdsong goes . . . one of my older siblings had the single, back when I was younger than yesterday, and I couldn't get enough of it. No idea what was on the flip side, probably another Dylan cover . . . .

Agree that some of the images are pretty hard to figure, but the overall 'message' is pretty clear. What interests me is the parallel between:

"Crimson flames tied through my ears / Rollin’ high and mighty traps / Pounced with fire on flaming roads"

and

"This wheel's on fire, it's rolling down the road"

In Chapter 7 of the Book of Daniel, just following a mention of good ol' Belshazzar, we find:

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire."


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Posted by:

David

Location: Newport, South Wales

Subject: Sunshine Superman: The Journey of Donovan

I have just bought the above DVD and in the bonus material on Disc Two, in the concerts section there is a Season of he Witch Superjam at the Cutting Room (New York/2008) and Garth Hudson appears playing Organ, appearing prominently from about three minutes in to five minutes in. I had a look on this site to see if it was mentioned and I couldn't find it, so here it is for people who might be interested.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Neil Young & The Band

I did some digging & found more information about those Neil Young recording sessions involving Levon & Robbie that Elliot Mazer mentioned. In late '74, Mr. Young recorded at Quadrafonic Studio in Nashville with Mr. Mazer. That material was to be included on the album "Homegrown", which Mr. Young completed, but decided to shelve at the last minute in 1975. He decided instead to release "Tonight's The Night", which he'd recorded quickly shortly thereafter.

Among the "Homegrown" tunes that featured Levon on drums, along with Tim Drummond on bass, were "Separate Ways" and "The Old Homestead". Another song to be included was an acoustic duet with Robbie, "White Line", recorded earlier with Mr. Mazer at The Who's studio in London.

"The Old Homestead", featuring Levon, was later included on Mr. Young's 1980 album "Hawks & Doves". "White Line" was later re-recorded with Crazy Horse and appeared on the 1990 album "Ragged Glory".

Ironically, according to Jimmy McDonough's Neil Young biography "Shakey", Mr. Young's decision to release "Tonight's The Night", rather than "Homegrown", was due in part to Rick Danko. Young had played the tapes of both albums for Rick & Richard Manuel and Rick was most enthusiastic about "TTN".


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Elliot Mazer

Joan: Wow, that's interesting that you knew Mr. Mazer back then and that you're related to Mr. Weinstock! Mazer mentioned working at Sam Goody and Prestige in that interview I cited. The first record he produced was "Bosa Nova Carnival" by Dave Pike, engineered by Rudy Van Gelder in his studio, released on Prestige's New Jazz label in 1962. A few years after that, Mr. Mazer mentioned that he applied for a staff job on Columbia Records, but they told him he "was too young to be a producer and too qualified to be a trainee." It was around this time that he met John Simon, who was a staff producer for Columbia.

Regarding Albert Grossman, he related that:

"Albert introduced me to some amazing artists. His standards were extremely high, and he wanted us to make records that were artistic triumphs for the artists. He did not like records where the concept of producer overshadowed the artist. Albert loved the artists and their music."


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Rivalry

Pat! You know I gotta hate you. Before Saturday night is over, we're gonna be in a fist fight.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Joan, that is pretty cool.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The old Guild

David; I think I mentioned, some where way back down that beaten path. I had a pair of those Guilds, matching ones. 6 string & 12 string. They were blond, of the Gibson "Jumbo Country & Western" copy. Beautiful great sounding guitars. I mentioned on Festival Express, Rick Danko is playing one on that train, sitting beside Janis.

It was late 60's early 70's I had them. The only reason I ever let go of them, (I guess I needed something more). But they were so damn heavy. To stand with one of them hanging on your neck all night, gave you one gawd damn cramp in your neck & shoulder the next day.

I even had a guy make me a "very" wide leather strap, (had my name tooled into it). But they're just too heavy. I been thinking about taking that strap down, for maybe the chance to get some of those Eagles to sign it on the 10th. I got so many signatures on that strap now, I don't use it at gigs any more. Too many times some one has tried to steal it.

Awright all of yuh. I been thinking. That gawd damn Bob Dylan should have written a book, "Bob Dylan Terminology". He uses some jargon, expessions, terms in his songs that no one else on this planet uses. So, it's one of two things. Either he assumes everyone kows what he means, or he doesn't want anyone to know what he means. "My Back Pages" is one good example.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Elliot Mazer

I may have mentioned this before. I grew up with Elliot.His family lived across the street from mine in New Jersey. Our parents were good friends and we used to vacation together, Elliot had an early interest in music. He started working at Sam Goodys while in high school. A cousin of mine Bob Weinstock, owned Prestige Records and Elliot got his first recording experience there working with Rudy Van Gelder in his studio.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Strung out on guitars

westcoaster: The guy I perform with uses an old Guild 12-string acoustic, along with its 6-string equivalent. There are certain songs that just sound better with the 12-string, so when we're playing, we try to arrange our sets accordingly to avoid any delay in having to switch his guitars.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Music!

Well David; I'm just about to order the last guitar I'll ever buy, (probably). An Ovation 2758AX Standard Elite 12 string. The Adamas style, matching the 6 string I bought a while back. I have had 3 Ovations since about 1980 my Ovation Ledgend thin model I have had about 16 years now.

For the music of the sixties, (Byrds for example), and a lot of the Eagles music, where Glenn Frey used a 12 string a lot. It just doesn't sound right without a 12 string in there.

I was just talking with a lady in Deltona Florida, (I didn't even know there was a Deltona Florida). She has one, for sale on Craigs list, but not exactly what I wanted.

I think when I'm done, my grandsons will enjoy these guitars.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: A link between Time Fades Away & The Last Waltz

While doing a little spring cleaning yesterday, I went through some old magazines. I noticed I'd saved the March/April 2002 issue of the now sadly defunct Listener magazine, which contained an interview with record producer Elliot Mazer. Early in his career Mr. Mazer hooked up with John Simon, who in turn introduced him to Albert Grossman. Mr. Grossman took on Mazer as a client to work with many of his artists, including Michael Bloomfield and Janis Joplin. He is probably best known for his work with Neil Young, beginning with "Harvest". He also did some work, mostly in a consulting role, with The Band, including the recording of The Last Waltz. Here is how he described the relationship:

"I had helped The Band on 'Music From Big Pink'. They were having trouble mixing it; Robbie had me come down to the studio a few times, and Robbie came over to my apartment to listen to refs [reference mix tapes]. On their second album, I helped them set up the remote studio in L.A. It was in an old house that belonged to Sammy Davis Jr. All the facilities were lower to the ground than a normal house."

"Robbie and Neil Young had not really known each other before they met in L.A. in the early '70s. I had told Neil that I wanted him to get together with The Band, and he did, eventually. I did some sessions with Neil and Robbie in '74, at Rampart, The Who's studio. During this same trip, I recorded CSNY, The Band, and Joni Mitchell at Wembly Stadium. Neil and I did sessions in Nashville later that year with Levon Helm on drums."

"Robbie called me after we released Neil's 'Time Fades Away' LP. Robbie and The Band really liked the way it sounded, and they told me to set aside the week before Thanksgiving 1976."

"We had subsequent meetings, and I got involved in the master plan. Marty [Scorcese] [sic] had done a shooting script from the lyrics of the songs. All the camera moves were assigned from this script. We planned how the stage would look and work, and Bill Graham and his people helped us set the thing up. It did take over a week of prep in Winterland to get it ready. We did a lot of on-stage rehearsing, and I got my [remote recording] truck set up. Bob Dylan and Muddy Waters rehearsed at the Miyako Hotel in San Francisco."

"The show was amazing, and the filming and recording were wonderful. I like the way the movie sounds. I do not like the way the record sounds. I was not able to work on the postproduction. Robbie is mixing a DVD-V version of 'The Last Waltz', and it should be out soon."

And, yes -- there will be a DVD-A release, as well!"

(from LISTENER magazine March/April 2002, Volume 8, Number 2: "More Cheap Thrills from Elliot Mazer" by Adam Sohmer)


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Flock ups

Thanks, Steve. I'm amazed that no British tabloid thought of and led with that one! Perhaps tomorrow morning? I like "flock ups".


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Pays Nordique

Subject: "Au revoir and bonne chance"

This frase from jacques reminds me of one of the most memorable greetings in this gb. Mr. Daniloff ended one of his posts with "au revoir and f**k off!".


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: A Capital Samaritan

Peter, those kind of flock ups wouldn't happen if you guys learned to speak without an accent, like us!

Pat, one last hockey story. Wednesday night after the game Brooks Laich was driving home when he saw a car stopped on the side of the highway. He stopped and found a woman and her 16 year old daughter with a flat tire.

Laich, asked them if they had a spare tire. Dressed in an expensive suit he got down on his knees, jacked up the car and changed their tire.

As it turned out the mother and daughter are Capital fans and were on their way home from the game.

As he was changing the tire the daughter is mouthing the words, " It's Brooks Laich" to her mother.

When he finished the job they explained they were Capital fans and they'd been at the game. Laich, apologized for losing, wished them well and went on is way. I guess if you really need a helping hand you're lucky if a guy from a small town in Saskatchewan happens by.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bonk: Has Levon ever performed with Winwood? I can't tell at all who the other two performers are in the photo I previously posted..

PSB: I still don't think it's Sara Dylan in the photo with Rick. We'll soon find out........ ;-D

It looks like this concert ticket was the one Jerry T used to see The Band with Dylan. While I was a student I used to live right across from Maple Leaf Gardens....Soon it will be a Loblaws Superstore and a recreational centre for Ryerson University (one of the schools I attended as Bill M did).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bigots?

Most amusingly the pro-Labour tabloid, The Daily Mirror, finally found Gordon Brown's excuse for calling a pensioner a "bigot", the day before the Prime Ministerial debate, an act which had commentators attacking him.

On BBC's Question Time, right after the debate, Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond amusingly described how Brown managed to meet a woman who said she had voted Labour all her life, speak to her for a minute and totally alienate her.

According to the Mirror, apparently, The woman had said of immigrants, "Where are they flocking from?" and Brown misheard the word "flocking" as a "Where are they fucking from?" which is why he took offence. It took 48 hours to think of that one!


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: BEG

Sort of looks like Stevie Winwood.


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Posted by:

jacques tabernaque

Subject: je pense

if this is a repost my apologies. let me share my vision mon amis. i thinks that garth and levon should ask randy meisner to reform the Band, together with rand, jim etr all and kick some rock and roll butt. just think of the setlist, and perhaps some sweet revenge albeit with a reasonable concert ticket price for the public. im sure randy would consider the proposal, he is a nice man, not mention his expereince and talent. any how i will dream, au revoir and bonne chance


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Posted by:

jacques tabernaque

Subject: je pense

well mon amis let me share how do you say, my vision. it came to moi last night, it is like this and perhaps someone has posted something similar, i dont know, but anyways, i think that before time runs out, levon and garth should approach randy meisner to reform a reconstituted band, of course with jim, randy et all, and kick some rock and roll butt. randy is a nice man and probably would consider such a venture if asked. what a set list, probably with a reasonable ticket price for many to enjoy. it is doable and one can dream. nest pas au revoir et bone chance


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Posted by:

Steve

Ironic, in that Montreal dumped him to make room for Price. I think Chicago signed him when everyone went insane two years ago and overpaid for everyone on the market. That's when Chicago signed Campbell as well, wasn't it?

Montreal paid part of Huet's remaining salary when he was traded to Washington. Montreal had been overpaying him as well. It's a tough pill to swallow but it sometimes pays off in the long run .


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Posted by:

Pat B

We have Huet for two more years at 5.6 million per. Unless someone is willing to trade, he's destined to be around Chicago for a while.


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Posted by:

Steve

I wasn't talking about you, Pat, I'm sure you recognize play worthy of high praise.

All kidding aside, your team would do well to pick up Price if he becomes available this summer. I'm still torn between him and Halak in spite of Halak's pay. I can easily see Price being another Patrick Roy a year or two down the road.

The problem for the Canadiens is both of them are restricted free agents in June and both deserve to be number one goalies somewhere. Halak is a little more mature than Price and more consistent but Price has incredible talent he's just needs a little more time . He gets rattled from time to time. What to do, what to do?


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Steve/Ray/Peter

The "Locavore" movement is growing. People want to know where their food comes from. Who grew it or made it. There is actually some "farming" going on on some rooftops. NYC also just began allowing people to keep chickens. Most people today have no idea what that pig looked like when they pick up a package of bacon in the store. There is definitely a disconnect.

Ray, I was embarrassed for him. We all have those moments, fortunately we are not "miked" when it happens.

Peter, here in the US with the exception of the native American population, we are all immigrants from somewhere. Very few of our fore fathers arrived rich. They came here to get a better life and they worked very hard to get it. I know that immigration is a big issue, but I sometimes get the feeling that those of us who are here just want to slam the door after us. They claim they are "stealing" jobs from Americans. The truth is, I've lived in my house 35 years. When I first moved here, I could get a kid to mow my lawn or shovel my snow. No more. I have had to resort to professional gardener (Hispanic) and another guy to shovel the snow (also Hispanic)The woman who helps clean my house is also Hispanic. No one wants these jobs. But someone has to do them.

Enough of my rant. I try not to get too political here.


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Posted by:

NYer

Subject: Welcome to the Hotel California

Not seeing any widespread protests that the girthy, pompous, ascoted limey doesn't like visiting NY. California, here I come??? Bon voyage.


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Posted by:

Pat B

For the first part of my hockey life I watched Glenn Hall and Tony O, so perhaps we were not so much unsophisticated as terribly spoiled.

There is certainly disagreement about the refereeing in your game, unless you didn't watch the post-game analysis. Just be happy those goal posts weren't an inch wider.

Whatever the case, the Habs put together a historic rally to rid the playoffs of the Capitols, and I salute them.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: Peter's post

On the contrary Peter, I'm glad I did ask--your post shows me in great detail just how much I and other Americans have to learn about politics and society in Britain, which is one of the countries that does happen to get what I thought was serious attention in the US...

I'll never look at/listen to GB in the same way after reading your post, that is for certain--having long experience with what you contribute to this board, I know that what you write on the topic will be valuable. Thank you.


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, you'd think that by now Chicago fans would be sophisticated enough, hockey wise, to reserve those accolades for the rare times they are deserved.

My point was that even though Montreal has had some of the best goalies to ever play the game( think Roy and Dryden, Ken not Minor League Dave)they never put on a show over such an extended period as Halak has. Even during the cup run in 93 when Roy won 10 straight overtime games did he play like this.

I agree with you on the interference call, at least on the goal called back that The Habs scored in the middle of the third period.

On the disallowed Washington goal Halak was in the blue paint and the Washington player hooked his leg with his skate stopping him from moving to his right to stop the shot. In the rule book that is NOT A GOAL!

Actually, if you watched the whole game you saw the Washington players crashing into Halak all night but til then it hadn't aided in scoring a goal. Good call by the ref.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Agora

On a lighter note, we'd gone to Southampton to see Agora. It's a visual feast from beginning to end, set in 4th century Alexandria and centering around the destruction of the library. I enjoyed it but there were only three of us in the cinema, so it's on its way to early DVD release unless something happens to raise perception. If it's near you, grab the chance to see it on a big screen.

The only thing, the theme is religious Intolerance (rather like D.W. Griffith's epic set partly in Babylon), and the intolerant ones are the Christians. However, someone should have said that you just can't under any circumstances have a scene with bearded religious loonies dressed in sackcloth in the Middle East of 2000 years ago, and give one the line "Stone the witch!" as they all pick up stones. It was 100% pure unadulterated "Life of Brian", and I fear that a full cinema would have been falling around laughing at the most tragic and sad point of the film.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: Mr Brown you've made an ugly gaffe

Steve, it's not so much what he said as it is the situation--one minute he was all smiles and concern in front of the cameras and microphones, then when he's being driven away he talks negative and lashes out at people, blaming his handlers for something/someone he found unpleasant.

If you're looking for an indelible example of a two-faced politician, an example of just about everything people don't like about politicians, you could hardly ask for a better one than this.

And to me, it's far more damning than lots of lesser things that have helped sink US politicians, i.e. Michael Dukakis in an Army tank in 1988. The gaffe raises questions about GB's temperament and judgment and respect for longtime Labour voters, for sure.

If Brown overcomes it he will be one of the great political geniuses as well as forever indebted to the generosity of Labour voters. If he doesn't, you know that this will be cited as the reason for his demise. It's more complicated, of course, but that goes with the territory and if anyone ought to know better it's Brown; he's no neophyte.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I’m not the one to ask. I loathe Gordon Brown so I’d never give him the benefit of any doubt going. Racist bigot? I think that sums up Brown’s attitude to ANYONE who disagrees with him. It’s no coincidence that Private Eye magazine’s fortnightly spoof has Brown as a North Korean style dictator. She was asking about the flood of immigration from Eastern Europe. On BBC Question Time a few weeks ago, it became apparent that many are concerned and it’s NOT a race question for the vast majority, because there were Afro-Caribbean / British and South Asian/British voices joining in on the fears of being swamped by European Union economic migrants. The immigrants worrying people are all white. It’s fear of job losses, and a downward pressure on wages caused by economic migration. The USA is a comparison here where everyone turns to look the other way on economic migration as it maintains a cheap pool of labour, and one that can be deported readily if it argues the toss. I don’t think we should get into the same boat. I’m appalled that so-called socialists like Brown seem to think it a good idea. Essential Reading: The Tortilla Curtain.

I agree with the view that legal immigrants have greatly enriched the culture of this country and will continue to do so. I welcome skilled Eastern European immigrants. I wish we could get more of them in exchange for some of the native British total arseholes who already live here. Walking around Southampton today it was the local Brits that were behaving appallingly, screaming and swearing at their kids (Shut the f•ck up, or I’ll knock your f*cking head off is not the way to talk to a pre-school kid.), nor is being staggering drunk at lunchtime. I didn’t see any of the immigrants behaving that way. BUT they were probably working and the people behaving badly were certainly unemployed. So …

I think everything hinges on tonight’s TV debate. I’d like this election to shake things up and I’d like a fairer representation system. On the hand, sadly two of the biggest creeps I ever worked with became prominent Liberal Democrats. Basically I can’t stand professional politicians, which all three guys standing in front of the cameras tonight are.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Habs??? Hawks??????

Pair a gawd damn dreamers


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Posted by:

Pat B

You should watch more Hawks games, Steve. We see stuff like that all the time.

If the Habs get as far as the Hawks, I think you'll see fewer shots hit the posts and refs possessing an understanding that borderline goalie interference is a regular season phenomenon, not a playoff call.


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Posted by:

Steve

Ray, what was wrong with Gordon's comment? I think he was giving an honest opinion of what he thought of the woman. Very refreshing, honesty in politics is so hard to come by. When do you ever hear an honest response to the question, " what do you think"?

It's the need to grovel and apologize afterward that is the only shameful aspect of the encounter for me and the fact he didn't tell her what he thought of her comments when he was speaking to her the first time.

Pat, should you meet us in the final and you want your team to have a chance, get the message to the Bow Boys that shooting lots of pucks at the net is not the way to go. You got to come up with another way of getting the puck into the net without actually shooting it, it just makes Halak better and better.

At one point in last night's game he'd stopped 100 of 102 shots going back to game 5.

I've seen a brazallion Montreal home games over the years but saw something for the first time during game 6.

At one point the saves were coming so fast an furious that when there was a stoppage in play the players on the ice came over and patted Halak on the head.

No one ever does that during the game. Then the crowd started standing, raising their arms over their heads and bowing in his direction. It was like everyone came to the conclusion they were seeing something special. And they were.

Washington's players also seem to come to the realization they just weren't going to score and were firing the puck from every angle possible.

At one point in the third period last night Halak had made 41 saves and the forwards and defense had blocked 41 shots.

If I was in charge, I'd send The Hamilton Bulldogs ( our AHL team) to Pittsburgh for the first game and take the team fishing in Northern Quebec for 3 days. They could use some R and R.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Gordon Brown

I think Brown might fight back: it's a comment that will go well in certain areas... and the Murdoch press is losing cred - they're the ones really pushing it...


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence kansas

Subject: Gordon Brown: Merely Mortified or Simply Politically Dead?

Peter V and I might be the only ones here interested--I'm love talking politics and others (most) don't, so scroll past if desired...

Am interested, Peter, in your reaction to PM Brown's critical self-inflicted wound...is it over for him and Labour? It probably would be in the US, but are the British, in general, forgiving of such things?

There's no excuse for what he said and maybe he does really mean it, but to me, when I heard the tape, he sounded tired and frustrated and just taking it out on the nearest target...no matter, though, this is undoubtedly one of the most painful and downright stupid moves I've witnessed in politics and I kind of like GB, based on what little I know of him (and maybe that's why I like him??).

I enjoy watching him on C-SPAN when they run the weekly footage of the PM jousting with the House of Commons, that is a ritual we just don't have here in the US. And as a fervent Obama supporter, I'd rather have Labour in than the others--I think.

(Actually, though, it is people in other nations who should get to vote in US Presidential elections in addition to us, since the US has such impact on the rest of the planet, increasingly so in these increasingly globalized times.)


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: KKKSB

Ari: as usual, the published lyrics get it a bit wrong - the name of the group under contract to Dr. Wolcott was "The Klondyke Ku Klux Steamboat Band." Pretty wordy, but folks went in for that sort of thing then. Originally just the "Klondyke Band," the "Ku Klux" part was added as a pointed, puckish rebuke to a misinformed public that kept confusing them with the Black Dyke Band. And even, sometimes, the Average Dyke Band.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon and ?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

Peter M.

Location: by the Turtle Pond

Subject: Ari's inquiry

It's a made up name from the fertile imagination of Robbie Robertson, a major talent of his, when describing things that could have been... It's another testimony to his talents as a visual songwriter.


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Posted by:

Ari

What is a Klondike Klu Klux band?


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Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: On the Farm

My family were farmers. I grew up visiting my cousins on the farm, none of which continued on with the family bussiness.It was a tough way to make a buck back in the day and even tougher now. If you can, buy free run chicken and cattle that is treated humanely. Go to the farmers market and support those who do it right..

Band related, King Harvest(Has Surley Come)...


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Posted by:

Pat B

You mean there's a flood out in California....


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Posted by:

Peter V

Sci-fi story - major author, I'll go and look it up later. Maybe Philip K. Dick. Anyway the scare comes that California will slip beneath the waves, Loads of people go "across the great divide." Then the quake comes and all of the rest of the USA slips beneath the waves leaving California intact. Author? Save me a trawl though the bookshelves!


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: contingency

David P: Then there's Donald and Walter:

"California . . . tumbles into the sea -- that'll be the day I go back to Annandale"

("My Old School," Steely Dan, _Countdown to Ecstasy_)


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Seeing Double

I don't know what in hell I'm doing....I'm gonna shut up now.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Goodbye California

David; I wonder if you ever heard of the book, "Goodbye California"? Written by Alistair McLean, he apparently took years to research this book. You probably know of the drilling in the sierrras to use hydraulic, (water) to control the effect of earth quakes on the tectonic plates, bumping together or breaking.

This book, (a little hazy to me now) I read it so many years ago. A group of terrorists, who rob a nuclear plant in California, with the intent of slipping these nuclear bombs down the drilled holes and blowing California into the sea. Their purpose? I forget how many million dollars ransom they wanted to let California stay.

A lowly cop from LA, a police seargent, "Saved the day" But the whole concept was pretty scarey.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Goodbye California

David; I wonder if you ever heard of the book, "Goodbye California"? You probably know of the drilling in the sierrras to use hydraulic, (water) to control the effect of earth quakes on the tectonic plates, bumping together or breaking.

This book, (a little hazy to me now) I read it so many years ago. A group of terrorists, who rob a nuclear plant in California, with the intent of slipping these nuclear bombs down the drilled holes and blowing California into the sea. Their purpose? I forget how many million dollars ransom they wanted to let California stay.

A lowly cop from LA, a police seargent, "Saved the day" But the whole concept was pretty scarey.


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Posted by:

Steve

Joan, please take interest in agriculture and agricultural policies. It's very demoralizing to farmers and others involved in agriculture that there is so little interest or knowledge about, arguably, the most important worldwide activity on the planet.

It's a complete lack of interest in agriculture by the 80% of people in North America that live in urban areas that is contributing to so many of our troubles today and into the future. Control of the one commodity we all need is rapidly having a strangle hold put on it by a very small number of players and no one notices and no one cares. But the day will come.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: They tell me that the fault line runs right through there...

There's always been speculation that a portion of California may eventually splinter off geographically. John Hartford once wrote the song "California Earthquake", which was covered by Mama Cass on her solo album "Dream A Little Dream". That record, produced by John Simon, also included a cover of Richard Manuel's "Blues For Breakfast" (a/k/a "Orange Juice Blues").

Then there's Warren Zevon's masterpiece, "Desperados under the Eaves":

"And if California slides into the ocean
Like the mystics and statistics say it will
I predict this motel will be standing
Until I pay my bill"


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Statehood

All this discussion about California reminds me of the periodic issue of New York City and Long Island and Westchester secceeding from New York State. We pay a disproportionate amount of taxes to what we get back. Culturally Upstate is very different from the NY Metro area. What interests us Downstaters, things like mass transit, are not really of interest Upstate and we are not that interested in agriculture.

Its never going to happen, but it does pop up every few years.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: This could be heaven or this could be hell...

George Stoneman Jr., who as a soldier presided over the detruction of the lives & property of Mexicans, Confederates and Native Americans, later learned what it was like to be on the receiving end of a torch. After the Civil War, he & his wife settled in California, where he served as Railroad Commissioner and Governor. He built a ranch on 400 acres east of L.A. in the San Gabriel Valley, which he named Los Robles (The Oaks). In 1885, during his one term as Governor, his house was burned to the ground. Alough he & his wife weren't home at the time, they lost almost all their possessions, including the mementos from his not-so-illustrious Civil War tenure as a Union General. Some attributed the fire to his political enemies; some blamed Mexicans. To make matters worse, and much to the chagrin of his wife, he'd let his insurance coverage lapse, leaving him in financial ruin.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: For Peter and His Departed Friends

Stan Rogers' lament for the friends ( musicians) who went south and west. From his album, Northwest Passage, California.

Now it's getting so I'm mad when someone says your name, Cause I've had to say goodbye to friends who couldn't stay away. And sometimes it felt so wrong to never want to lean on you, You may stand tall, but I've got two feet too.

They talk of you in bars around a quiet beer, And tell their stories of mindgone stones when no one else can hear. And later on, outside, they say they're getting on a plane

To fly away, and live in you again.

Chorus: California! My friends all call you home, And if you take away another, I'll be that much more alone. Is it my fault that my kind are always drawn towards the sun, like a child to home, whenever darkness comes.

In a few more years I won't remember what it is to play, the music of old friends who need to live so far away. But can I once taste Northern waters, then forsake them for the South, To feel California's ashes in my mouth.

Chorus, California!.....


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Candid Camera

Well if you look in "What's New", there is this "great" photo of Richard having a whiz in a urinal, while Robbie combs his hair. "Thanks to the Brown eyed girl" for pointing us to these. See! I knew there's something wrong with that woman. Sneaking around mens rooms. Gawd Damn!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Nice segue from California to the Eagles best-known song there, David!

Um, I've always liked California and the Californians I've met in general. I have several very good friends who settled there. It's a BIG state with enormous variety of topography and types of towns. Am I allowed to say I prefer it to New York? Or is that inflammatory? I guess that means I approve of RR's choice …


Entered at Wed Apr 28 17:27:55 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: His Master's Voice

Unfortunately, not all recordings over the years utilized a variety of monitors for the mixing process. A good example is the Eagles' "Hotel California". Mastering engineer Steve Hoffman has often cited this recording as the hardest he's had to work with. When he began remastering this album for the DCC label's audiophile reissue several years ago, he discovered that the original master tape sounded extremely "muffled and bass-heavy". He found out that the problem was producer Bill Szymczyk relied on a pair of JBL studio monitors when he mixed the album in 1976. What sounded good on those monitors did not translate well on other speakers, especially those used by the average listener. The solution was to make some critical EQ adjustments at certain frequency cycles, rather than a fairly flat transfer, in the remastering process.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Califorin-i-A

California - split........interesting, I had never heard that one either. You are very right Brien. California with more power....I shudder at that thought.

Not knowing well, the rest of the "states", out here we do know Californians, TOO well, as so many of them summer in BC. MANY, the most obnoxious people you don't want to meet. The attitude that the USA suffers from globaly, is so prevalent in California. That is not to say there are many very nice people there that come here every year, however so many set the stage they are known for with their horribly domineering attitude.

In Port Hardy, for example is a quite large marina. Marine store shipyard travel life, hotel & pub. In the early eighties where the hotel now stands used to be an RV park that in the summer was full with mostly Californians. In these days, I fished salmon with my (now cabin cruiser), which I did for thirty years.

Quarterdeck marine at that time, just consisted of the fuel dock, marine store & RV park. In the marine store was a laundrymat & showers. I stood waiting one Saturday with my bag under my arm to have a shower. The owner Vern, who I knew well was talking to a big grey haired man. He said to me, "Norm, are you guys fishing out here yet?". I said no, it opens tomorrow evening 6 o'clock for us to start. Well this old guy says, "Shit! when you guys get to fishing out here, our production is cut in half". Now I have to say here, these people are supposed to be. "sport" fishing here. In that RV park those people caught & canned fish steady. Many would brag how they "more than paid for their holiday" selling the fish they canned "down home". This is why we lobbied to have the law put in place in the fisheries act, that you must can "sport caught" fish, only in your permanent residence to stop this.

Anyway I frieked on that old bastard. I said, "Your production? You are allowed two fish per day. there are regulations here". he says well I spend about $1000 a year in this town. Well I said I spend about $10,000 for fuel, supplies & repairs. So I guess we should just shut our entire commercial fishery down until you have your holiday. This example is what so many Californians are like.

But there are the very nice ones. A couple years ago, at Shearwater up near Bella Bella, where I was playing music one weekend, I met a fella and his wife. They had a nice big cruiser called the "Encore". From Lake Shasta, this fella was good friends with Merle Haggard, and Freddy Powers, who wrote "Friend in California" for Merle. Remember David?

Economically, California owes us so much money for hydro power, water, and natural gas, if they paid their bills we would be a debt free province like Alberta. Some how, by USA financing for a lot of our hydro dams like in the Kootenays they got some hold on very old agreements, where they get away with murder.

I recall a while back, not long after becoming governor, "Alnold" got some court case going in supreme court in the states, to get out of paying a billion dollars California owes British Columbia Hydro for power. Well some judge down there in the states threw it out of court, and said, "pay".

To bad they couldn't hit some gold again & pay their bills. Alnold also has worked very hard at stopping movies being made in Vancouver, which they call, "Hollywood North". Trying to keep his money at home.

Now we got those sons-a....... in Ontario giving the movie production companies huge tax breaks to make movies in Ontario. It was probably that gawd damn Bill Munson's idea the dirty little.........


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Posted by:

Peter V

Way back in the early 70s, nearly all studios had a mono radio speaker, then two "average hi-fi system" speakers (usually something like AR18s, good bookshelf speakers) then a set of full studio monitors and checked on all three when mixing. We even did this with spoken voice + sound effects, but unlike music only for sample bits rather than the whole thing. There was an article in the early 70s on"Nashville Skyline" where the writer protested that Dylan had bought a top-end hi-fi and not checked the mix on a cheap one. I recall it for some reason as I couldn't fathom quite what he meant as it sounded fine to me a cheapish system.

It is still important with audio books. Some (like the BBC dramatisation of Lord of The Rings) erroneously assume that listeners will be sitting in front of a hifi (I expect they thought of it as a "radiogram"). In fact, the vast majority will be either in a car or on iPod phones. The result is that the range between loud and soft bits is far too wide for in-car listening, as you're constantly fiddling with the volume control. Someone should check it on a car system with the engine running. I used to travel with a friend who played classical CDs in the car and on so many the quiet-loud range was much too wide for in car listening.

On Dylan, the latest Mojo has an excellent article on "Dylan 70" on Self Portrait and New Morning.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: AM Radio: Where the Buck stops you in its tracks...

Rhythm Jimmy: You're right -- a little EQ high-end boost, some roll off on the bottom-end, along with some compression, would add punch to the mono mixes. By the '60s, as car & portable transister radios became the medium of choice for many music listeners, especially for the youth, recordings would be mixed & mastered with this in mind. The late-great Buck Owens, who had a great deal of artistic control of his music, was one of the masters of this technique. Having worked as a radio host before achieving success as a musician, and later owning several radio stations, he was intimately familiar with the sound properties associated with radio. He & his Capitol producer Ken Nelson would also use small speakers, rather than the standard, large studio monitors, to mix the recordings, resulting in the clarity & punch that distinguishes the sound of Mr. Owens' records. As Buck once explained in an interview:

"I cut records for AM radio, and I was always conscious that AM used to have a great big old bottom on it. So I took most of the bass out of the records and put on more high-end -- that made 'em sound cleaner than the others. Ken Nelson agreed. I got a letter one time from a guy in Ohio that had some kind of radio show, and he said, 'You know, the records that you guys do there are so crystal-clear. Some people say you've got a little black box that you run the tape through.'"

With this magic formula, the sound of Buck & Don Rich's Telecasters, along with the pedal steel and Mr. Rich's high harmonies, would jump right out of the little speakers of the radios with that distinctive sound, grabbing that tiger by the tail and casting you under the spell.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I can't recall any issue of California splitting.., maybe there was a minor surge for it out there at one point but as a national issue, I can't recall it ever getting any attention of note.

Peter, I don't believe California deserves anymore representation than what they already receive. In fact they may be losing seats in the House because of the flight out of that near bankrupt state. As for the Senate, 2 for every state works just fine. It may have its faults but then if we gave more power to the more powerful wouldn't that just rankle most of the liberal souls here? The House sets the standard and the Senate checks it.., or something like that. If more representation went to bigger states in the Senate, then what's the point of the Senate when you have the House of Representatives that already has that policy? Besides with the way things are going in California now, we don't need them having anymore influence than they already do.., they are a mess over there. We can only hope they can right the ship.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve... you don't know the half of it...

In fact, the Greens are led by a pretty intelligent, good guy - Dr Bob Brown. Unfortunately, Senator Brown is about 68 or 69 or so, and is not getting younger, naturaslly. There is no one to replace him. It was thought for many years Peter Garrett of Midnight Oil might, but he went into the Labor Party (who did what they do with all talent, and crucified him...)

The ALP tried to bring in a fairly mild environmental policy - an emission trading scheme. Due to numbers in the Senate, the Liberal Party rolled Malcolm Turnbull (who some may remember as the barrister who got 'Spycatcher' published in Aus, against the Thatcher government's wishes) and put in Tony 'Climate Change is Crap' Abbott. Now before you skeptics say 'what's wrong with that, Abbott has also expressed belief in climate change... anyway, the Rudd govt has just shelved the policy (which admittedly wasn't great, but was better than nothing...) and aren't doing anything...

Which is why I have my political position: it doesn't matter who you vote for, a politician gets elected...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Californication

I recall this being discussed years ago, then coming up again when people were saying that if California is considered on its own, it's the world's 4th or 5th biggest economy (can't remember which), so having the same Senate representation as Rhode Island is out of date.


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Posted by:

Steve

Brien, haven't the wealthier folks in Northern Cal. been arguing that they should be able to split off from the poorer, southern half of the state? Seems there was talk about that a couple of years back. I know it's not exactly what Peter was talking about but it seems to be related. Kinda like throwing the unnecessary ballast overboard as the ship sinks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Greens

If I thought the greens were green, I might vote for them. When I saw the British ones in a debate on TV, they only mentioned union politics, and failed to pick up any environmental issues, and afterwards someone said they were mainly the old Socialist Workers Party aiming to gain credibility under a (fake) green banner.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Felix Cavaliere THE RASCALS Radio Interview Part 2 THE STRANGE DAVE SHOW


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Wilted Greens ?

Dlew, that was a depressing evaluation of your country's Green Party.

Canada's Green Party is led by, Elizabeth May, a combination lifetime political organizer and policy wonk and originally a member of the Conservative Party who saw the light about 15 years ago.

The Green Party here has a good grasp of the complete range of issues facing voters and have strong, well developed policies concerning all issues.

They have between 10 and 14% voter support.

They're not really a left wing party. In some areas they are closer to the Conservatives than to the left wing New Democrats.

The one thing that distinguishes them from the others is that they always take the environmental impact of their policies into consideration and give it more consideration than the other parties.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Peter - Never heard of splitting California up before.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: I'm not talking about politics.. but electoral systems...

I remember meeeting a Lib-Dem some years back, who expressed amazement at Australia's electoral system: it is preferential - so if you have three candidates, you get the option to place a preference: if your party is the Liberal Party (closer to the Conseratives, or Republicans), you'd put him first. You might then put a National candidate (the parochial rump party, obsessed with local interests), the Labor Party (Yuppies and middle class welfarism) and perhaps the Greens (we like the environment, but don't understand anything else. Including the environment). In that way, you can eliminate each candidate till the least-worst is elected... this Lib Dem (I wish I could remember his name)nearly fell over when it was mentioned that if you get more than 4% of the primary vote, you get a grant so you might fight the next election! (THis is actually a great idea in theory - keeps serious minor parties of all stripes alive, but of course the two majors (Lib and Lab) carve it up...)

In fact, it's a better system if you have more than one party. My suspicions is that the Lib Dems in Britain would n't actually do any better than they currently do: preference voting tends to eliminate protest voting...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Politics (sorry)

Sorry politics … but we’re well embroiled here with the election. The troubling bit is the realization in the media that Gordon Brown could come third in the popular vote, but still have the largest number of seats in Parliament. It turns out the average Labour seat has 65,000 voters to the Conservative’s 77,000. Because of the “first past the post” system, the Liberals could get 33% of the vote, and only 90 seats out of 650. This was always true to a degree. I recall in the early 1970s, there were constituencies in Manchester and Glasgow with under 30,000 voters (one had 23,000) and ones in the London suburbs with 120,000. The boundaries constantly shift due to the boundaries commission but they’ve never been able to institute the wholesale north to south re-proportion of seats that would even things up (by following the population shift). These things are discussed between the parties as they happen and any shift proposed over the last forty years would benefit the Conservatives.

Anyway, it reminded me of my politics lecturer at the end of the 60s. At that time, he was much enraged by the disproportion in the US Senate enshrined in the constitution to protect the states, giving two seats to Rhode Island and North Dakota, the same as California. He was from Berkeley. I know the House of Representatives is proportioned, but there’s a minimum per state there too.

We’re talking 40 years ago, but he believed the only constitutional way around it was to split the most populous states. North and South California was obvious, but also he believed in splitting the other heaviest in population. Listening to the news this morning on the British disproportion, I remembered this. I’ve heard mutters about splitting California over the years, but nothing else on the idea at all. Did it simply fade away? Did it ever have any support beyond him? Obviously, splitting California would only have changed the disproportion by a very small degree, which is presumably why it died. Also, in most states the only way to do it would be splitting off urban areas, which breaks all sorts of historical feelings and allegiances.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I feel a Chicago-Detroit confrontation coming on which would be excellent.


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Posted by:

Rhythm Jimmy

Subject: 45s on the radio

David P., "harking back to those days when you could discover so much great music on AM radio," weren't mono mixes in those days engineered for transistor radio play, with a big boost in the treble end?


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Posted by:

Seconal

Subject: Chat room

Nutcase


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Apologies...last post was to Bob FFFFFF.....not Bonk. Hi Bonk also. ;-D
Sorry....I"m feeling very fatigued these days as I shouldn't be eating any dairy from cows.....only sheep and goat's milk products which I really love but sometimes I cheat like a druggie and eat foods that don't work for me. My Naturopathic Doctor tested me and I have sensitivities to cow's milk.....all Stevon Farm's fault!


Entered at Wed Apr 28 00:13:52 CEST 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279612792.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.87.120)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"The 1970s were on the road and as a session musician working and playing with various artists and bands, including: Eric Clapton, Van Morrison, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Pete Townsend, Ron Wood, Randy California, Kinky Friedman, Booker T, Albert Hammond, Paul Butterfield, Earl Slick and others -- many of which were the result of his close association with Rick Danko and The Band."

Hi NB....I was in the Yonge/Eglinton area with another friend on the weekend and one of the shops was selling large paintings (three...one a self-portrait and two of The Stones) by Ron Wood.

Bonk...I actually bought the CD for a cover of "brown eyed girl". I quickly realized that Art Alexakis of Everclear (late forties) who is the front person (singer-songwriter) in the group is able to incorporate great humour and life experience (probably the only thing besides religion these days that helped him through a traumatic life) in his music and is able to put words together well as he has a degree in Journalism. He also gives a nod to those before him like Otis Redding in his songs.

Do you remember when we were strung out?
Eatin' top ramen, macaroni and cheese
We would get so lost in that basement room
Let the Otis Redding sing us to sleep
I wish I had one more life

I don't wanna be wasted
I don't wanna live inside this daydream anymore
I just wanna be happy again
I don't wanna be wasted, I dont wanna be blind

Thanks Pat B....I wasn't surprised Garland Jeffreys brought flowers..... :-D


Entered at Tue Apr 27 23:46:47 CEST 2010 from 21cust1.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.1)

Posted by:

Steve

YO! Megan, speak up I can't hear you.

NB, there was a CBC radio sports announcer, Montreal, or National possibly, back in the 80's who used to refer to the Canucks as The Vancouver Rinky Dinks. After a while he dropped the Vancouver and just called them the Rinky Dinks. This was back when The Rinky Dinks sucked for a decade or so.

He'd give the score as, Montreal 4 Rinky Dinks 1.

Then one day he announced that CBC management had told him he couldn't keep calling them the Rinky Dinks and he stopped but made it clear that, Rinky Dinks, was a more appropriate name for the team as a final dig.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 22:45:15 CEST 2010 from vance012.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.57)

Posted by:

NB

Subject: Hawkey Tawk

Congrats to Pat's Hawks and our own Canuckleheads. Hopefully the Habs will follow suit toute suite.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 21:17:16 CEST 2010 from (41.140.27.110)

Posted by:

tdhamilton@mailbox2000.com

hello all


Entered at Tue Apr 27 20:44:55 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Meat on a Stick

I can't help but note, with a smile, that American businessman George N. Gillett Jr. was recently the majority owner of the Montreal Canadiens, until he sold the team back to the Molsons last year. In addition to his other business holdings, Mr. Gillett is also a mogul in the meatpacking industry.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 20:22:54 CEST 2010 from kcps-firewall.chestertown.kent.net.lib.md.us (64.26.118.166)

Posted by:

Megan Jones


Entered at Tue Apr 27 19:49:40 CEST 2010 from 21cust204.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.204)

Posted by:

Steve

55 shots, Pat. They got a couple more after they scored. Montreal played shorthanded for a lot of the game which accounts for a lot of the shots. At one point they played two men down for a minute and a half and gave up 7 shots but no goals.

You didn't quite ask the right question though. The question should be, why do they give up so many shots. The defense is actually quite good when they have to be. They've held Washington ( the best power play in the league) to 1 goal in 30 attempts.

The reason they give up so many hots is because they can and they have to.

They have great confidence in both goalies, especially Halak.

The weakness is the offense, they don't have the goal scorers ( remember my reason for offering you the trade) you need to win consistently so they bring their defense up into the attack for most of the game and therefor surrender lots of odd man rushes which leads to all those shots.

Remember, Price most likely, will be available this summer, talk to the Bow Boys. You can have an NHL goalie too, and we can go back to playing defense.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: US politics / Investment banking fraud

I second to Senator Levin (democrat) from Michigan. On the other hand I have heard of upright republican Senators from The South as well.

It is "USA", not "USW(allstreet)" - Band connection?... it sure is.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, the first period was pretty crazy, but you must have noticed that Nashville didn't score from that period on. Niemi was probably the Hawks MVP of the series, but let's be serious. How bad is a defense that gives up 51 shots? And the already legendary Washington Capitols take over half a hundred shots and score once? I guess they built up that legend during the regular season which we have since learned doesn't count.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: "Trying" to eat right

There is no doubt you and Brien are right Peter. I had no thought of malice from you. It was me who was being rude.

As far as beef goes, like I said "moderation" with every thing. Having had a perforated ulcer at the age of 22, has forced me through my life to watch what I eat.

I think the Italian people have proven, (as it seems many eat a large amount of pasta & red meat) that red wine very much helps digest that meat. I know a glass of red wine with a rib steak sure does settle my stomach & make it easier.

There is no doubt goats milk is by far the best milk to drink, (if you're going to drink milk). Many people with intestinal problems have them disappear with goat's milk.

I pretty much lean toward soya, for many different foods it is in. I prooved to my doctor years ago, taking a table spoon of lecithin every day really does wonders for the cholesterol. Although they would sooner have you buy pills.

Brien as far as fish goes, the farm fish, for the dye in the pill feed they give them to redden the meat etc, just is kinda scarey I think. For the "right" kind of acids, sockeye salmon, or spring salmon, (especially white spring) is the best source. I forget what we call spring, or Chinook salmon, (well I don't know about your part of the states) but they call "King" salmon. They can get as large as 120 pounds. Halibut & cod are good for the cholesterol too.

But, good health to all, whatever way you are able to maintain it.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 16:29:57 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding: Mono a Mono

Picture, if you will, two rival DJ mixmasters facing off in a turntable competition at a crowded club -- one spinning tunes in mono, the other choosing stereo. (see definition of mano a mano)

Last week, I picked up another one of the limited edition Record Store Day special releases -- a reissue of Neil Young's mono 45 single version of "Heart of Gold" b/w the live 1968 Canterbury House performance of "Sugar Mountain". This past Saturday I acquired the mono 45 version of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" b/w "Keep The Customer Satisfied", complete with picture sleeve, for $2!

Playing both of those 45 singles, followed by the B-side mono version of The Band's "Get Up Jake" was a revelation in music enjoyment, harking back to those days when you could discover so much great music on AM radio. Those mono mixes have such a more focused & immediate grab-your-attention sound, bringing back memories of when the music would jump right out of your car radio speaker (singular) and slay your senses (plural), in a sweet spot right between the ears.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 14:34:48 CEST 2010 from 21cust139.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.139)

Posted by:

Steve

The reason it costs more, Brien, is because it's not subsidized by your gov't. It reflects more of the actual cost of production. Most fast food is cheap because( as Lars knows)it contains subsidized corn in one form or another, even those farmed fish are full of it and it's getting harder and harder to buy fish that is not farmed.

The reason many of those illegal immigrants from Mexico are working in the US can be traced back to the corn subsidy as well.

If only your government's agricultural policies weren't made by former and current industry bigwigs we'd have a chance to correct so many problems afflicting so many people worldwide. US corn growers literally have the cost of production in their pockets before they sell their crop. Hard to compete with that. It drives small farmers all over the world off their land and into slums of ever increasing size.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 13:58:46 CEST 2010 from (199.43.32.86)

Posted by:

Ben

Location: New Jersey
Web: My link

Subject: The Band Live in Tokyo

I recently obtained the Band 'Live in Tokyo 1983' dvd and cd. I watched the dvd over the weekend and have mixed reaction to it. This definetly is a gray area release. It seems copied fromn the Live in Japan vhs or laserdics. The picture is letterboxed. The picture quality varies. Some of it's good, but a fair amount of it is blurry and there's some distortion at the bottom of the screen.

The performance was interesting, as I haven't seen a performance by this version of the Band. It was nice to see Richard sing several songs. He is featured far more than in the last waltz. Overall, though I prefer the 90's version of the Band (despite Richard's absence) to this version. The sound quality of the dvd was good (better than the picture quality). I haven't listened to the cd's yet, but I expect them to have a similiar sound quality.

Maybe this gray area release will spur an official dvd release in better quality or an U.S. release of the Canadian dvd from 1983.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 12:42:19 CEST 2010 from ool-44c5ddd0.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

We try to shop at Whole Foods as often as we can - it's expensive - yet nearly all the meats are without hormones and steroids and the animals are all free range, in other words they eat more naturally. The fish is wild caught or their version of farm raised. I try to stay away from farm raised. Amazing how much different the food tastes when it isn't pumped in with all that stuff. I prefer it now to the 'regular' food. Still, it's a bit hefty on the wallet.

It does feel good to drop the weight. Not that I was ever heavy but I certainly could use to lose twenty or so pounds. Since I'm more desk jock than outdoor worker (though I love that when those opportunities come along) I try to workout, yoga and run several times throughout the week.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 12:31:50 CEST 2010 from 21cust119.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.119)

Posted by:

Steve

Congrats, Pat. Bit of a sloppy game but they all count. I have to tell you, Halak, is now officially off the trade market. I haven't seen such a goaltending performance by a Canadien's goalie since the early 70's when Ken Dryden singlehandedly eliminated , Orr, Espo, Cashman, Sanderson and the rest of the heavily favored, Big Bad Bruins.

Last night Halak stopped the first 51 shots he faced. Incredible.

I then switched over to watch a little of your game. It was near the end of the first period, there had been a combined 7 goals on 19 shots.

Someone pointed out after the game that Halak's goal against average is lower in games where he gets more than 40 shots.

Let's talk about the price for Price.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 09:37:08 CEST 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

No malice intended, Norm. It just reminded me of the laconic way the guy said it and how we all laughed insanely for about three minutes. You probably had to be there.

I’d guess that the amount of physical work is what keeps you healthy and fit, allowing you to eat whatever you like. Us desk-bound guys have to lay off the red meat and creamy sauces by the time you get to our age. I stopped eating beef in the 80s at the first rumours of BSE, though I was lucky that the UK farm industry admitted it, nearly ruined itself, but (probably) cleaned it up. Most other places just lied. Then I’d eat it once or twice in the early 90s if I was somewhere allegedly BSE-free like the USA.

That’s because I think it’s best to maintain omnivorousness in case of natural disaster. Pandas can only eat one thing and look what happens to them. The thing is, as any non-beef eater will tell you, beef is incredibly hard and slow to digest if you’re not used to it. It really is one of the worst foods for the system. I suspect it’s because the cattle we have today are like designer dogs, many generations away from real animals. Unless you have Norm’s physical working life, I reckon you’re better off without it.

On designer animals, I used to teach a Greek research doctor when my kids were young. Cows are total designer animals. This guy was a top scientific researcher on milk, of all things. He’d come to the conclusion that milk from any animal heavier than a human was bad for kids and caused allergies. The weight of an average animal was the point, and they’d researched cow, horse, buffalo etc. So, according to him, sheep’s milk and goat’s milk are OK, cow’s milk is not. Thirty years on, a lot of people with various intolerances are discovering the same thing. (Mind you, I admit that Greece, with its superb sheep’s milk yoghurts, had a vested interest in this!)


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Posted by:

Pat B

Tracy, I believe tix were $200 and sold out rather quickly, although the Rascals were not announced until about a week ago. Sponsorship tix were available for $2500.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Percy - Verance

Good for you Brien..........feels better don't it?? Keep it up.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Brien: I have that weight you lost here...

You can have it back, if you like: it's no good for me...

:)


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: Kristen Ann Carr Fund and the Rascals

Only $2,500 or sponsorship would get you in. It was an event one could just get tickets at the door for. A lot of people wanted to go but could not afford the ticket price. Whoopi Goldberg, Bill Murray and various others attended though. Bruce was a guest as well as Max Weinberg, and Paul Schaffer.


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Posted by:

Bob F.

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: Everclear

Brown eyed girl, I love that Everclear song. I took my kids to see them at Marist College in Poughkeepsie when my kids were knee high to a grasshopper. They loved that band! 'Father of Mine' and 'Santa Monica' are fantastic Everclear songs also. It's funny how some bands have a moment and then it's over.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 00:59:19 CEST 2010 from ool-44c5ddd0.dyn.optonline.net (68.197.221.208)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

I dropped almost 15 pounds since mid-December and now can start buying those 34's again!


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NOT ON YOUR LIFE!!!

Norm, you forget.....I've SEEN you put your chain saw on your shoulder, grab a couple of gallons of gas, whoop it out to the bush, and cut and split a couple of cords of wood. If you recall, I was always at least 10 feet away from you at all times. Thank God the motor never got turned on.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 00:48:17 CEST 2010 from 21cust32.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.32)

Posted by:

Steve

OK Lars, now, how about lending as much support to BOOB-Quake as you possibly can. I can't think of a more deserving initiative that has come out of a US college in decades.

If the thousands of women world wide carry through with their promise to let them all hang out today in an attempt to test the assertion made by religious zealots that female nudity causes major natural disasters, I think the least we can do is lend a helping hand in any way possible. If all it takes to put an end to the stupid accusations of these fanatics is thousands of topless women I'm all for it.


Entered at Tue Apr 27 00:15:27 CEST 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279612452.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.86.36)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Everclear...AM Radio

"~KHJ Los Angeles!~ Portions of the day's programming are reproduced by means of electrical transcriptions or tape recordings."

You can hear the music on the AM radio

The VCR and the DVD
There wasn't none of that crap back in 1970
We didn't know about a World Wide Web
It was a whole different game being played back when I was a kid

Wanna get down in a cool way
Picture yourself on a beautiful day
Big bell bottoms and groovy long hair
Just walkin' in style with a portable CD player
No, you would listen to the music on the AM radio
Yeah, you could hear the music on a AM radio

Flashback Back '72
Another summer in the neighborhood
Hangin' out with nothing to do
Sometmes we'd go drivin' around
In my sister's Pinto
Cruisin' with the windows rolled down
We'd listen to the radio station
We were too damn poor to buy the eight track tapes
There wasn't any good time to want to be inside
My mama wanna watch that TV all goddamn night

I'd be in bed with the radio on
I would listen to it all night long
Just to hear my favorite song
You'd have to wait but you could hear it on the AM radio
Yeah, you could hear the music on a AM radio
I can still hear Mama say “Boy turn that radio down!”

“Aw, Mom. Not that show again! I don't wanna watch that show! Can't we
watch Good Times or Chico and the Man or something cool? Turn it off!"

Things changed back in '75
We were all growing up on the in and the outside
We got in trouble with the police then
We got busted gettin' high in the back of my friend's van

I remember 1977
I started going to concerts and I saw the Led Zeppelin
I got a guitar on Christmas day
I dreamed that Jimmy Page would come from Santa Monica and teach me to play
Teach me to play...

There isn't any place that I need to go
There isn't anything that I need to know
I did not learn from the radio

Yeah when things get stupid and I just don't know
Where to find my happy
I listen to my music on the AM radio
You can hear the music on a AM radio
You can hear the music on a AM radio

I like pop, I like soul, I like rock, but I never liked disco
I like pop, I like soul, I like rock, but I never liked disco
We like pop, we like soul, we like rock, but we never liked disco...

No I never liked disco...


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Jockulation

Without malice or forecite. The straight truth Peter, is I count my blessings every day of the week, when I watch some of the health problems many of my friends have.

I have really paid attention to caring for my health, but at the same time I have been very fortunate and have much to be grateful for. I have found tho", that without exception, "everything in moderation" as you get older is the best path to follow. I think the physical work part of it tho' means a lot. Our life styles now-a-days just allow people to become to complaicent, and it's too easy to fall into bad habits with one's health.


Entered at Mon Apr 26 23:36:49 CEST 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We’re all jealous, Norm. I can remember being a 34 waist, but you can add 10 now.

But telling people that never cheers them. I remember being on a long train journey with two other authors of my own age (mid-50s then). One guy was telling us how he’d just had a full check-up, “The doctor said I’ve got the heart of a 16-year old, the lungs of a 16-year old, and all the physical reactions of a 16-year old.” Then he sat smugly back in his seat.

The other author paused for a few seconds, then said, ‘So did the doctor prescribe anything for this premature ejaculation?”


Entered at Mon Apr 26 23:02:10 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1242458924.dsl.bell.ca (74.14.107.44)

Posted by:

Kevin J

.....and remember what the bumper sticker said Norm ............"9 out of 10 cannibals agree--vegetarians taste better!"


Entered at Mon Apr 26 22:37:11 CEST 2010 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: EAT THAT STEAK!!

Ya bunch a wimpy ass bean counters & pencil pushers....sitting at yer desks all day.....lord!

I eat my steak, roast beef, beef stew, chicken & ribs, and bacon......you gotta have lots of garlic on yer bacon. Bacon without garlic is like kissin' yer sister. And pure apple cider vinegar on salad, on bacon & eggs. Lots of honey, on yer ribs and everything. As well as it's good, for the antibiotic properties, it is a great medicine.

Shit I still throw my chain saw on my shoulder, grab a couple gallon can of gas, whoop it out in the bush and cut wood, split it amnd load it. Play hockey, some times work better than 15 hours when we got to load & unload equipment and make short runs.

When I was 18, I weighed 190 and had a 34" waist. I'll be 66 in a couple months. I weigh 190 & my waist is 34". That gawd damn young doctor I have from South Africa gives me every test tryin' to find something wrong. He says "get out of here old man, there's nothing wrong with you." I say well this gawd damn arthritis in my shoulders hurts like hell! He says, "Well live with it!".......I hate that young punk.....same age as my youngest son...and another gawd damn rugby player too....punks!"

And Kevin, there's nothing better than a grilled cheeze sandwich, and you gotta have sour cream on the cabbage rolls. Gawd.....I had to live like youze guys....I'd shoot myself.


Entered at Mon Apr 26 19:14:26 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Life in the Fast Ticket Lane

Several years ago, the Eagles longtime manager Irv Azoff became CEO of Ticketmaster when that entity acquired his Front Line Management company. Following the recent merger of Ticketmaster & Live Nation, he became Chairman of the new alignment of artist management, concert promoter and ticket sales all rolled into one huge joint (venture that is).


Entered at Mon Apr 26 19:14:20 CEST 2010 from (63.88.115.195)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject:

Interesting read. See attached Web Site


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: The right side of the argument

Subject: A BACKBONE !!!!!

Hell, Steve......if you're going to stand up for something, then I'm not going to bother to pick on you anymore.

Way to go PUMP!!!


Entered at Mon Apr 26 18:33:30 CEST 2010 from 21cust218.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.218)

Posted by:

Steve

Lars, as usual you missed the point completely, now take that NY sirloin out of your chops( the one you posted about enjoying so much with your daughter a few years back)and pay closer attention.

The POINT WAS the muzzling of FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THE LAND OF THE FREE.

There are no laws here about bad mouthing the beef industry and I have taken great liberty in using it in letters to the editor of our local paper, The Sherbrooke Record, on more than one occasion.

The salient point as I saw it was the powerful gov't positions given to members of the industry by successive Presidents, Reps and Dems( lets call them The Republicrats) going back at least as far as Reagan.

The gov't hasn't lost the power to regulate, they gave it up quite willingly in exchange for cash which means they SOLD it.

If you're as brave as you make out to be and as dedicated to the cause of cleaning up the business as I am, I invite you to write a letter to one of the NY city papers about your concerns with the beef industry. lets get this thing rolling. Send me the name of the paper and the date of publication please, I'm interested to see what you have to say. Bonne chance! And for your information there is more control of the industry here. The proof I offer is the Mad Cow outbreak and the way it was handled in each country. We didn't have a shot, shovel and shut up policy in effect until the problem couldn't be hidden any longer. Now, Goggle, Lars, Google.


Entered at Mon Apr 26 18:27:54 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1242458924.dsl.bell.ca (74.14.107.44)

Posted by:

Kevin J

I always liked that great Chinese saying .. "What is patriotism but the love of the food one ate as a child?" I moved off meat and dairy years ago but fully understand the impossibility of sainthood as Robbie once said.........also remember what Buddy Hacket said......"As a child my family's menu consisted of two choices: take it or leave it."


Entered at Mon Apr 26 17:58:54 CEST 2010 from s0106001c10a4a3a3.cc.shawcable.net (24.108.253.172)

Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Hopeful

Do we get to shoot him now Lars???????


Entered at Mon Apr 26 17:53:01 CEST 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ticket prices

Ticketmaster etc. As I’ve pointed out several times, you can go online or call for a venue on the day tickets go on sale, and you get crap seats as it’s nearly sold out. Then you get there and there are little clumps of six or ten or twelve empty seats all over, where agencies have bought seats to sell on at a huge profit and failed to do so.

This will be archived no doubt, but years ago Mrs V stood in line for hours to get a Cliff Richard ticket for her sister’s birthday. By the time she got to the front, they were sold out, because everyone was buying twelve. By the time she got home, £35 tickets were online at £200.

Artistes can stop it. Some venues put a maximum of six, some four. In the vast majority of cases, two would do it. The trouble is they’d often prefer a guaranteed sell out at (say) £35 a ticket. But I sympathize with the Eagles who said enough was enough. Why should they sell tickets at $60 to a middleman who sells them on for $400? Not that I'd pay that much to see anyone except a Robbie-Levon-Garth reunion, and even then I'd kind of expect Elvis coming out of hiding to sing lead.

When I’ve seen scalpers outside a venue, their mark-up is usually a modest 25% or so. Simon & Garfunkel was a mere £5 mark-up on a £50 ticket (but we had the sense to wait until just before the start). The big agencies are way more ambitious.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Kenny Buttrey

Thanks DAVID P for mentioning him in this gb. I enjoy his drumming in the Autumn when the weather is misty and crispy at the same time.


Entered at Mon Apr 26 17:30:52 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1242458924.dsl.bell.ca (74.14.107.44)

Posted by:

Kevin J

dlew......thanks for that link but a really odd interview............her scathing indictment of Dylan seems to come out of the blue and the interviewer doesn't even take notice and doesn't follow-up....... Joni is very very sensitive - with reason mind you - but a bit over the top in this case......I recall an interview on Canadian radio some years back when the interviewer asked her how she felt to be considered in the same list of artists as Eagles, Linda Rondstadt and a few other that quite frankly didn't measure up....she just snorted and said something about lists not meaning much especially that one....also the indignity of being made to wait years past her due date fior inclusion in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame was just absurd........

In the "you can't make this stuff up category" walked into a record siore on Saturday and asked a sales lady if they had Johnny A....She said "Hmm" and walked me over past the rows of dvd's - which now seem to ou number cd's - and got to the A's....saying "ok.....let's see....Bryan Adams....." anyhow....they didn't have any Mr A but nice to see that they did have Levon's Electric Dirt....................


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Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: Don't Do It/The Who

I'll throw this one out for anyone who might like The Who - I'm guessing David P, Ray P and bob w. First there's another version of Don't Do It on the expanded Odds and Sods CD. It's from an acetate from late '64 or thereabouts. Not essential but worth a listen.

What is essential, however, is a complete performance from 1969 at the London Coliseum. See link for We're Not Gonna Take It/See Me Feel Me. It's contained on a DVD called "Kilburn 1977," which is self explanatory. What isn't obvious from the blurb and packaging is that the second disc contains a complete performance from 1969. I reckon it makes the Woodstock performance look sloppy and ramshackle by comparison. It also highlights an underappreciated aspect of The Who - their harmony vocals. Possibly the best ever 'bonus' section on a music DVD.


Entered at Mon Apr 26 17:00:50 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Greed, for lack of a better word...

Charlie: That was a very interesting piece in the New York Times. With all the incidental fees & charges tacked on to ticket prices, however, as the article pointed out, nearly all the profit from ticket sales goes to the artists. In an era when the sales figures for recordings have dropped precipitously, artists have had to rely more & more on tour revenue to survive.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Downwind and Downriver

Subject: Toxic waste on the Heggison Farm

Steve-
Let me be specific. Not only am I down on the meat industry in general, but I'm UNEQUIVOCALLY contemptuous of your poisoned farmland where you spew your waste from.

Now let them take me away in cuffs.

I like the way you tell only certain parts of that tv report to serve your slant on things. The Canadian beef industry has the same ineffective regulation as the US. I thought the salient point of that program was that the USDA has lost its power to monitor the US Beef Industry. And yet Canadian beef is just as likely to kill somebody with a virulent strain of e coli. That little kid who ate the hamburger and died a few days later was probably eating meat no better than the waste that you produce.

BAND LINK: Half of The Reformed Band were vegetarians.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Rascals...and Greedy Ticket Bastards

BEG: I can't tell you how much I loved that clip of the Rascals' reunion (with Springsteen and his pal Steve, to boot!). None of those guys was making a penny on that performance but I've never seen musicians enjoy themselves more than on that clip.

Conversely, yesterday's NEW YORK TIMES artcle about the Ticketmaster-Live Nation merger shows the greedy, sleazy side of the music business which has sucked all the joy out to make every possible penny. The profile of Irving Azoff particularly presents a stereotype of the Albert Grossman-like music manager with drunken frat boy antics tossed in to make him even less appealing. One statistic which can be largely laid on the shoulders of Mr. Azoff is the rise of concert ticket prices between 1996 and today, when "TicketBastard" (as Deadheads once dubbed them) slapped ridiculous service charges on simple online ticket transactions. The result? For artists among what Pollstar ranks as the "top 100 tours" during that period, the average ticket price shot up far faster than the rate of inflation--even faster than gasoline prices in the USA--with a jump from around $26 a ticket to around $63 a ticket. I'm lucky that my area has some venues such as Wolf Trap which don't use Ticketmaster/Live Nation and others such as The Birchmere where tickets can be purchased at the box office to avoid the online monopoly. I'll boycott those greedy bastards whenever I can.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: fibers like mushrooms

Dlew919: thanks for the Joni link - here's a link to the interview that quote came from. Apparently Joni either has a medical complaint called Morgellons, or a "delusion of parasites."

Just listened to _Hejira_ over the weekend, and I was astonished again at Ms. Mitchell's imagination and musical . . . balls. The musicians are all amazing, and the arrangements get a lot of harmonic mileage out of very small combos. Jaco's a monster.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Kenny Buttrey Fades Away

The late Kenny Buttrey was a great drummer. Unfortunately the mercurial Neil Young decided to take his Stray Gators band from his Harvest sessions out on the road to perform new material better suited for Crazy Horse.

According to Jimmy McDonough's "Shakey" biography, Mr. Buttrey didn't exactly endear himself with Mr. Young when he, an in-demand session drummer at the time, asked for a salary of $100,000 just before the tour began. Bassist Tim Drummond followed suit and reportedly made a similar demand.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: and cassettes in stereo

Joan: here, apparently, the cassette never died . . . . I hope they still have some Repulsive Bile and Art Muscle tapes left . . . .


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, when it comes to a question of "safety" our gov'ts don't seem to let expense and difficulty deter them. Think airport security checks.

PBS aired a very informative documentary last week wrapping the food industry in the US up in a neat little package that exposed the corruption just below the surface, including the control gargantuan companies such as Monsanto have on the gov't up to and including their judges on the supreme court.

One mid sized soybean grower in Iowa described the way the US justice system works when you take on an opponent with the reach and deep pockets such as Monsanto.

He said, Lady Justice, holds out her scales and both sides start putting money on. Whichever side can put the most money on tips the scales of justice in their favour.

One important bit of info for one particular poster here was the fact that the US beef industry will not tolerate anyone badmouthing the beef business in any public media.

They will sue anyone who speaks badly of their industry if it comes to their attention.

When the US had their first case of Mad Cow, Oprah said she didn't think she would be eating beef again.

A Texas cattleman's group sued her. She won the case but it took 3 years and cost her $1.3 million dollars.

According to the program it's now a felony in 6 states to disparage the beef industry in the media, Colorado, being the most recent state to make it a felony, with more states lining up to join them. Such is the power of industry when it grows too large.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Ari ...

I don't know the answer to your first question, but I believe Levon doesn't sing UoCC or TNTDODD because he doesnt' feel his voice is ready (I've read this - probably here - I don't know it to be true, but suspect it's at least partly true): having said that, I think he may have done at least part of it on a Letterman performance, where on the fadeout, the unmistakable Alain Toussaint horn opening played on the fadeout, and when they returned, Letterman made some crack about how the television audience was just unlucky...


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

So far this is the only clip......"Performing the first time in 40 years, all the original members Felix, Eddie, Gene & Dino (Springsteen joins them as well) got together to perform at the Kristen Ann Carr Fund honoring Little Steven and his wife Maureen. They sang about 12 songs. They sounded fantastic!"


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: The Warner Bros Year

I agree about The Well. A great arrangement even if some of the lyrics are a bit naff. I like all the songs on The Last Waltz Suite (side 6 of the orginal LP). Pity there wasn't a whole albums worth.


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Posted by:

alan finkel

Location: long island ny
Web: My link

Subject: the legacy of the Band

I play in a 7 piece cover band for our enjoyment. recently, we added a second keyboard, so our instrumentation is alike the Band. we cover about a dozen band songs, and truly appreciate the genius that inspired these songs. their legacy will live on forever. masters of their craft.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: The cassette

Interesting article from the NYT Magazine today.A medium whose time has past?


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Jeff, for your viewing pleasure. BEG, note the guests.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp(Friend0

Subject: The Good Gawd Damn Rascals!

Completely out of touch with what is going on here, so no idea if anyone has posted anything about this. I missed this, as I just got back to the city today and did n't know about it. Had I known,. I;d have dropped everythinggn and been there. THE RASCALS PLAYED AT THE TRIBECA GRILL YESTERDAY. CAVALIERE, ONE BRIGATI, CORNISH AND DANELLI!!!First time in 40 years??? MOTHERFUCKER!! SPRINGSTEEN AND MIAMI STEVE JOINED EM FOR ONE SONG


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Posted by:

Ari

Also, would somebody tell Levon to play Up On Cripple Creek or The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down just once more? I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet.


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Posted by:

Ari

Is Gillian Welch the daughter of Levon Helm?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Get Up Jake

Ray: I double-checked my 45 single copy -- "Get Up Jake" was originally the B-side of "Ain't Got No Home" released in 1973. It's a mono mix of the studio outtake from the Brown Album sessions, which is misidentified on the label as the live "Rock of Ages" version. This same mono version was also included as a bonus cut on the recent magnificent Audio Fidelity gold-CD version of the eponymous album. A stereo remix of the studio version was previously included as one of the bonus cuts on the 2000 Capitol reissue.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: All You Need Is A Drummer …

Too many magazines! I think it was the latest UNCUT. There’s an article on great albums, which are unavailable in any format, with #1 being Neil Young’s Time Fades Away. The conclusion you come to is that Neil isn’t daft because it’s his worst album.

Anyway, along the way the long article describes the tour that spawned it, and recounts how Kenny Buttrey was sacked halfway through because as a studio session drummer, his touch was just too light for live shows. John Barbata from CSNY was drafted in. It reminded me of seeing Dave Kelly, Maggie Bell and the BBQ last weekend. Zoot Money was in the BBQ as was his original 1961 drummer, Colin Allen. We agreed they suffered from tentative drumming, even though this was the first great drummer I saw, and one whose credits include Georgie Fame and Bob Dylan (albeit for Real Live). It made me recall how powerful D.J. Fontana still was in his 70s. There IS a different requirement for session work and live work, however amplified it might be. Kenny Buttrey? One of the greatest drummers of the era, and Neil Young dropped him!


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Posted by:

Peter V

There was a police chief from Manchester on the radio a few months ago saying that 60% of drivers involved in serious accidents around Manchester had drugs in their bloodstream. He reckoned people were wary of drinking alcohol and driving because there are effective roadside tests with breathalysers, but don't care about drugs and driving because it needs a blood test. He was saying they really should be working on an effective test, but it's way more difficult and expensive.

I think the driver's comment should double her sentence.


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Posted by:

Lil

I think I heard about that Joan. I believe the woman the girl ran down was killed.. and she commented to the police that she 'didn't feel so bad' because the woman was "old".

Wow.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Bonk

I'm sorry to hear about your daughters accident. My wishes for a speedy recovery. It also makes me angry that a person under the influence was driving a car. We had a tragedy here on Long Island 2 days ago. A stoned 18 year old's van went out of control and ran down a woman mowing her down and proceeded to come to a stop in the poor woman's living room.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: NORBERT

Right on man. My youngest daughter got rear ended this afternoon by some bitch who was high on pot. That's cool, but don't drive your fucking car. My kid will be ok but it's gonna take some time. NORBERT. Your words are so true.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence Kansas

Subject: DDI

Thanks, folks--yes, I knew the RoA version was a single, and of course there was the muddy bonus track on the 2000 Cahoots CD, and then finally the "clean" version on AMH.

The first place I read about the Bearsville version was in the first edition of The Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock and Roll, published in 1976. And that book, along with watching Easy Rider, got me interested in The Band. Greil Marcus is another big fan of the Bearsville version. (As was Dave Marsh, who can be and usually is irritating in the extreme.) A little Marcus goes a long way, but I think he's right on that. It is a tremendous version, I think it would've worked better than the live single.

Now I think I recall Bowman's report about why Bearsville DDI didn't make it, but frankly, I don't hear much similarity at all, and even if there was, I don't think that was a good enough reason. But it doesn't matter much anymore, I suppose.

Isn't it true that the studio Get Up Jake was the B-side of the live DDI single, at least for the initial pressing?

I also like TLW version of DDI better than the ROA version, and am I right in saying that the horn section was overdubbed--I don't think they're on the version of the show available at Wolfgang's Vault.

Regarding the Who, those violent wankers, I'd like to hear their DDI. No wonder Levon and Roger D. bonded. That would be a hell of a fantasy version--Rick, Levon, Roger trading vocals.

Maybe the next Band song that's worth an extended exploration for various nuances should be "The Well." Could make the centerpiece of a chapter on "The Warner Brothers Year." Interesting song. Underrated, in my opinion and sounds marvelous on TLW set 2002.

And one more big thing, I think Pat B. agrees on this (and Pat, Jeff Beck will be in Kansas City soon but unfortunately I can't go) when will Palladium 1976 get a proper official release? I want the whole thing, not just Forbidden Fruit, which I've been playing the hell out of on my iPod.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Time

Time is the most precious thing we’ve got, can only be sold once, limited since birth. (Robbie knows).


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Some of you will appreciate this...

I think you all might have seen some of these before...


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

From SXSW: Levon Helm Movie
Posted March 22, 2010 by Rita Houston

Have you heard about ‘Ain’t In It For My Health’? Levon Helm documentary. It’s great. We got in to a screening here at SXSW.

The film is an honest, candid, account of Levon Helm then and now. The filmaker, Jacob Hatley, lived up in Woodstock, in Levon’s barn for 3 years making it. There is also some amazing old footage from Woodstock, Ed Sullivan show and The Hawks early years in Canada. But mostly it’s Levon just hanging out. So real.

Tears ran down my face more than once watching this. Levon’s health issues, Rick Danko’s widow in a nursing home and the underlying issues between Levon and Robbie and the legacy of The Band.

Levon and The Band are true treasures of American music.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Who Don't Do It

The Who recorded a version of "Baby Don't You Do It" during the Lifehouse project sessions in 1971, which later evolved into the great "Who's Next" album. It was a staple in their live act during '64-'65 and later included during their concerts in '71. A previously unreleased outtake version from the Lifehouse sessions, featuring Leslie West on lead guitar, was included on the expanded edition CD reissue of "Who's Next".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Concert Wrap — Levon Helm, April 22 @ The AMP

Just two more months until I finally hear Levon sing.....even if it's just one song.....by the time he plays here. Anyone still needing tickets....I saw on Craigs List.....


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Posted by:

dlew919

Web: My link

Subject: Joni and Bob: not BFFs?

Or taken out of context? Language advisory (particularly in the user comments, but also in article...)


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Don't Do It

The ROA version is the ultimate and the doctered TLW version is OK too. The Who also recorded this at some point.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Don't Do It

See Rob Bowman's liner notes to the remaster. it was part of their live act from 1969, and tried out in the studio for "Cahoots" and the version on the remastered CD. Not only was the RoA cut released as a single, I've got one.

Bowman says the studio cut was rejected for Cahoots as too similar to Life is A Carnival. Not attracting a composer credit isn't mentioned, but they already had one and a half outside credits … Dylan and Van Morrison. I can think of seven straight off that it would have been an improvement on. They could probably have got it on there anyway without compromising the LP length unduly.

Both versions are great covers. I can see them NOT putting it on as a studio take. It doesn't fit the feel (apart from the opening Life Is A Carnival).

The Band did it brilliantly, but the original Marvin Gaye lightness of touch is sublime and I'd take his if I could only have one version. Rod Stewart did it with Steampacket live, which is on very lo-fi budget CDs, but I saw it live and he could certainly belt it out with Long John Baldry, and that's apparent even in the lo-fi versions.

Maybe a live show (and live album) was best for the way the Band took the song.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Foggy Dew
Web: My link

Subject: best song you'll hear all day

Definitive version of 'The Band Played....'.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ray, the RoA version of Don't Do It was released as a single and charted. They never liked the studio take.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: RAY

Ray. Wasn't DDI on Cahoots? It wasn't released as a single and that's a crying shame.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland/flyover country lawrence KS

Subject: more fun with Greg Kot

I just finished writing questions for a multiple choice test for about 200 students in my big lecture class. So, here's some Fun with Greg Kot at Musings from Big Lecture. I quote:

"and Helm is sometimes downright hostile, his blue eyes like knives piercing the camera lens."

That must've been hell on the lens. Those things are pricey. And it must have been one special camera, because Levon's eyes are brown, not blue.

I've got to stop now, even though this is fun, Kot is just too easy a target. It's about damn time I wrote a book proposal for a real book on the Band. I get to do the chapter on Cahoots. I don't think I'll have a lot of competition there. Will be hard to top Jon Landau's review, though. Now there is a writer. That review has been what's kept me going back to that record.

Another chapter idea: Roll call of hacks, lightweights, and smart mouth pinheads who try to juice up their careers by recycling recycled dirty laundry anecdotes about the Band, reminding people that Neil Young had coke on his nostrils at TLW, and showing that their phallic power emanates from snark attacks on the Last Waltz. Main exhibit, Jim DeRogatis.

Back to Cahoots. Compared to these depressing fools, the record sounds like the Beach Boys in the early 60s.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland (lawrence kansas)

Subject: why on earth didn't they do it??

The question about the Band's hidden history I most want answered is...(and I'm not alone here)...

Why on earth/in hell wasn't the Bearsville studio version of Don't Do It put on Cahoots and released as a single?

Who robbed the cradle? Who robbed the grave? No answer came...

Seriously, this was one of the great missed opportunities in rock history. Maybe a case of Studio Fright to match Stage Fright. I just listened to the song again from A Musical History and even if DDI wouldn't have transformed the Band's career with a hit single, it certainly would have been well worth trying.

Just goes to show you--better to regret something you did do rather than something you didn't. In most cases at least.


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Posted by:

Steve

It's two hours east of downtown Montreal. But the drive is so nice and uncluttered it hardly seems like much more than an hour and 52 minutes.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Roberta - Tears are not Enough

Steve.....you can relax, I was using a more expansive scale....if voice alone, kd, Stan and David Clayton Thomas would have been in the 10 category to be sure....Celine might have snick in as well.....

Norm....I never would have guessed Buble's father was a fisherman....somehow makes me like him a bit more.....


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Posted by:

NB

Kevin: I had actually had Celine at a minus 5 on a scale of zero to ten before factoring in her voice, which brought her all the way up to the zero ranking I gave her. She has what I call "reverse-charisma"; rather than exuding charisma, like say Robbie Robertson or myself , she actually sucks the charisma out of others around her. As a former Torontonian, I'm curious as to what part of the city you could be from that would make you so overly open-minded.

Steve: Regarding the Bulwer Open, didn't you state the local rules about three years ago - that it's front nine right-handed, but then we play the back fourty wrong-handed ? With of course a stop at the clubhouse in between for a pint of homemade stout and a bovine burger. How many hours drive is it from La Shoot to Bowthayer, PQ ? NB


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: addendum

. . . and please scroll down the page for a Danko-gets-inebriated anecdote (complete with photo!) . . . .


Entered at Fri Apr 23 20:41:19 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: you can call me Ray

New York State sure has a lot of area codes . . . here in Manitoba, just east of G_d's country, we've made do with just the one. They're threatening to impose a second in a year or two, some of us are a little miffed about all the extra fingerwork that's gonna involve. Could be worse, India has more telephones than toilets . . . .

See [My link] for a cute anecdote wherein one B-for-Bobby Dylan namechecks one Mrs.-for-missus Danko in an attempt to establish his _bona fides_ . . . .


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, if you're scoring voices, please move Stan to 10 or I'm going to have to do one of my most through searches, ever. I know Toronto is a big city, but I'll find you!

So, Mulroney, was able to discover something besides how to line his fucking pockets with taxpayers' money or $1,000 bills delivered in brown envelopes by crooked businessmen who filled their pockets with taxpayers money.

I guess that would make the $1,000 bills taxpayers money as well.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Subject: The (Old) Rascals

David: I'm happy to hear about all four members of The Rascals reuniting for that NYC charity concert this weekend. I hope they have so much fun they will do a tour. I caught their semi-reunion tour at Wolf Trap in 1988 and it was wonderful to see three of the four members onstage together again. It was a great evening and Felix Calaliere came out after the show to greet fans at the edge of the stage (something I've never seen another performer do at that venue). He's one of the best in the business in so many way--and the legacy of The Rascals is one of the richest.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Oh Well

Kevin; Michael's Dad, Lewis is a fisherman I have known for many years. He owns a big salmon gillnetter called the "Winning Edge".

But anyway, David Foster is responsible for the huge success of Michael....well Michael wins his own audiences, but David put him in the right place with recording, and David's daughter Amy helped Michael write "Home" which not only he, but also Blake Shelton have had a huge hit with.

You're gonna just have to forget Mulroeny.....maybe he just did something right for once.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Peter, Roger, Simon, Jack

Oil City Confidential is on BBC 4 tonight at 9 o'clock if you're in tonight.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Picture of Rick

It looks like the area code in the pic is 315. If so it's upstate New York. If it's 375 it's in Belarus.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

This link is for you Norm.............as to the Buble boy, I have not been able to listen to him with both ears since finding out he was discovered by Brian Mulroney....


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

I think that is one of Carol Caffin's photos of Rick. Not sure where though.

Whispering Pines: Very good book, particularly for a non Canadian (me). Nice tracing of a part of Canadian Music


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Vocal????????

Michael Buble. I'm not a great fan of Bryan Adams. Have known him many years, when he used to play with Sweeney Todd. He spent every living day in Long & McQuade on fourth Avenue sitting there playing guitars, until old Pat Coffee the manager would kick him out. He got to be an OK guitar player. But wether you like him or not a lot of people sure in hell do and you can't deny his accomplishments. And wether you like her or not, writing a score for a movie and singing it with Barbra Stiesand is not a small thing. But it's all different than the music that the run of the mill riff-raff acknowledge here. So the rest of the world is all wrong.

Young Michael Buble, tho' is a voice, as well as being exceptionally good at phrasing, and having rythmn. Like to listen to him, buy can't stand to watch him. His foot work and spaztick kicks look rediculous.

Dlew-919-80-37-456 it don't make no difference what he says. He's a criminal anyways fer chris sake. They all are down there, that's how come they got sent there in the first place


Entered at Fri Apr 23 18:10:14 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1279277839.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.59.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Pat's note about how new management has helped Jeff Beck in recent years ( Mag covers, tours with EC, Rock n Roll Hall of Fame for the 2nd time! American bleeping Idol for goodness sake, etc ) makes you wonder/dream about just how - with some lifestyle discipline and a really sharp manager at the wheel - Richard Manuel would have done with his talents at this stage of his life........

On this zero to ten scale of contemporary Canadian rock/pop artists, Celine's talent in the area of voice alone puts her at somewhere well above 5......10"s would be the obvious..The Band, Joni Mitchell, L. Cohen, Neil Young, Gordon Lightfoot, Ann Murray, Guess Who, ......the 8-9 club is filled with a bunch of folks like kd lang, Bruce Cockburn, Ron Sexsmith, Stan Rogers, Lenny Breau............7-8 might include 54/40, Blue Rodeo, Ian & Sylvia, Tom Cochrane, Brien/Brian/Bryan Adams, Rush......only absolute locks are members of the Zero club........Nickleback and Glass Tiger......I am proud of my country but no worse feeling than standing at a bar in Berlin and having a bartender say "Ah...Canada.......Nickleback is from there yah?" How quickly can one scream out "so is Neil Young!"

Above link to a doc on Lenny Breau - worth checking/seeking out - it will blow your socks off....


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Posted by:

Pat B

David P, fantastic news.


Entered at Fri Apr 23 16:06:11 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: A Beautiful Morning

All four original members of the (Forever Young) Rascals will be reuniting to perform at a charity benefit held in New York City this Saturday night. They did perform several songs together when they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997, but outside of that, this is the first time that all of them have played together in 40 years. (link with details above)


Entered at Fri Apr 23 14:08:57 CEST 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279545410.dsl.bell.ca (76.68.80.66)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

BRUCE COCKBURN: Born in 1945 in Ottawa, Ontario, the Canadian music legend began his solo career with the self-titled album in 1970 released by Bernie Finkelstein’s newly founded label True North Records. Cockburn’s ever expanding repertoire of musical styles and skilfully crafted lyrics have been covered by such artists as Jerry Garcia, Chet Atkins, Barenaked Ladies, Jimmy Buffett, and k.d. lang. His guitar playing, both acoustic and electric, has placed him in the company of the world’s top instrumentalists. And he remains deeply respected for his activism on issues from native rights and land mines to the environment and Third World debt, working for organizations such as Oxfam, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, Friends of the Earth, and USC Canada.

Bruce Cockburn Signs on for a Memoir
HarperCollins will publish Cockburn's memoir in 2012


Entered at Fri Apr 23 12:47:30 CEST 2010 from 21cust229.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.229)

Posted by:

Steve

Northern Boy, have you punched in the coordinates for Vulcan ( Lat 51, Long 113)into your ACME Transporter? Vulcan's most well known citizen will be visiting his childhood stomping ground today. Try out some of your funny stuff on him. I'll send you two bucks if you get the raised eyebrow.


Entered at Fri Apr 23 11:55:20 CEST 2010 from 21cust219.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.219)

Posted by:

Steve

"Bruce is a desent(sic) picker." That assessment coming from the guy who describes Rick and Levon's singing as, "good", makes it high praise. You can say no more.

Funny, I've never associated the sounds Bruce makes with a guitar as picking. It just doesn't adequately describe what's going on.


Entered at Fri Apr 23 08:29:47 CEST 2010 from (202.124.72.158)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: bryan not ryan!

NB: on your scale, around here, mr adams would rate about a 6 (alanis morrisette doing you ought know) or an 8 (rush's 2120). Personally to me, he's about a three (Alanis morrisette's next album - you know, the prozac one). But when norm weighs in, I state that merely as an opinion, which carries no weight ...


Entered at Fri Apr 23 02:20:11 CEST 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279611997.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.84.93)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Excuse Me Mr.!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Oh WOW!!

Well.....like.....you know what I mean man....every song has to have a real strong, not contrived meaning man. Like we got to be in touch with the universe.....or it just can't be music!

Some times I do, then again I think I don't,

Sometimes I will then again I think I won't.....

Everything doesn't need to have a protest or deeper meaning behind it. Some times it actually is, just for the fun.

It's not all going to be the, "Eve of Destruction", or the history lesson of "Acadian Driftwood" because, "Robbie" didn't get all the facts straight, and so the song was a total blunder.

But of course now "Bruce" is the master lyricist. Well he's a desent picker, his singing has never done a thing for me.....ever. You think he sings better than Bryan, well that's your choice. You're in a smaller club. When you see Bryan on the stage, by himself with his acoustic guitar and the crowds he has drawn. He's paid his dues, so now in his 50's the following he has serves him. Of course they are not all of the calibre of the high brow here.......


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Posted by:

Steve

I'll go and start digging some holes in the hayfield behind the house, NB. Just a bunch of holes kinda spaced out should cover it, right. Better get here before the hay starts to grow.


Entered at Fri Apr 23 00:49:44 CEST 2010 from vance012.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.57)

Posted by:

NB

Dlewsional From Downunder: You're far enough away to be neutral. Why not tell us how you feel about Bryan Adams ? Perhaps on a scale from zero (Celine) to ten. Thanks. NB


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Posted by:

Steve

Kevin, so right about Ms Anderson.

Norm,just think how long it would take you to learn that line from Bruce that Sadavid posted, never mind a whole song. Then you'd have to get someone to tell you what the song is about.. Better stick with Bryan.

Well I heard it on the street,

Heard you might have found somebody new, yeah

Well who is he baby, who is he

And tell me what he means to you, oh yeah


Entered at Fri Apr 23 00:15:46 CEST 2010 from vance012.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.57)

Posted by:

Northern Buoy

Subject: West is Best ? East is Least ?

Wortstposter: Well of course BC is "God's Country", (as any British Columbian will tell you). But God's no fool, Norm -he "summers" in Muskoka. I know cuz he used to rent a cottage on our lake and have all these thunderingly loud parties. Not sure who he thought he was, but for some reason you couldn't tell the guy anything.

(Sorry Steve, in no way does this similarity make you "God-like". PS. Have you booked our tee off time yet at the beautiful Bowthayer Golf and Country Club ?)

Bill: Nice Snagglepuss impersonation. Similarly, Steve's got the first third of his "Bull wink le" impersonation down pat. Talented bunch these GBers ! NB


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Cabbage Patch Doll

Gawd damn cabbage girls.......you'd love workin' on the tug. You get three squares a day, and half a bunk........the bottom half!

Funny thing, I was just planting red cabbages......what the?????


Entered at Fri Apr 23 00:00:58 CEST 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279611997.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.84.93)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Where was Rick in this photo??

Here comes the helicopter -- second time today
Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
How many kids they've murdered only God can say
If I had a rocket launcher...I'd make somebody pay

I don't believe in guarded borders and I don't believe in hate
I don't believe in generals or their stinking torture states
And when I talk with the survivors of things too sickening to relate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would retaliate

On the Rio Lacantun, one hundred thousand wait
To fall down from starvation -- or some less humane fate
Cry for guatemala, with a corpse in every gate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would not hesitate

I want to raise every voice -- at least I've got to try
Every time I think about it water rises to my eyes.
Situation desperate, echoes of the victims cry
If I had a rocket launcher...Some son of a bitch would die

Bruce Cockburn...If I had A Rocket Launcher

Hey Westcoaster....How's BrYan Adams doing these days? He branched out and did some photography....copied Louuu's lead of course. I'd say that Bruce Cockburn is a more skilled writer who also isn't afraid to try and wake some people up with his political stance.....and better guitar player by far.....His guitar pickin' is absolutely phenomenal......When I saw him at Massy Hall at The Concert Against Land Mines (as well as Concert For Afghan Refugees and Ontario Place and restaurant at Bloor and Yonge back in the day called Metropolis)....Steve Earle, John Prine, and Emmylouuuuu.....kept watching his fingers.....However, Bryan Adams did help to put us on the map more with the women at least....lol....Remember the song he performed with Rod The MOD and....and....? BTW I'm with you about leaving Toronto....and stop pickin' on NB.....He's only from the burbs like Bill M....They're not the rough and tumble types like yourself....I guess it's time to protest once again...

We ain't gonna work on Westie's tug no more
No we ain't gonna work on Westie's tug no more
We try our best to be just who we are
But he just wants us to be just like him
Noooo we ain't gonna work on Westie's tug no more.... ;-D

Happy Irie Earth Day Today!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Oh WOW man!!!

Hell yeah Sadavid, I can see how lyric like that would really do it for an acid head, dope smokin', tree huggin' hippie from Ontario......or Windowpeg!

Aaaaaaw Kevin.....I was just puttin' you guys on......I was bored! I'm tired of planting onion sets. You kin go back to your normal breathing now.....buncha.......


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Just Breathe - Pearl Jam

Beautiful!


Entered at Thu Apr 22 23:17:44 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1279277839.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.59.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

bob w.......thank you. I look forward to hearing more of Mr A.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 22:59:06 CEST 2010 from (202.124.72.5)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: thanks Bob

johnny a is great stuff!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Brain

Look again Kevin.....I never spell it Brien, it's always Brian, just to piss you off. You correct me every time. YOU'RE CONSISTENT!

I'dn it funny almost every one comes out here from Ontario, never want to leave. 'Cept fer Neutered Buoy, but...he ain't normal any way.

Woman who works in my lawyer's office, her and her husband retired here....she goes to work 'cause she's a legal secretary. She says to me with these astonished eyes. "If we knew what it was like here we would have been here long ago." This dumb gawd damn crook of a retired Tronto metro cop I took out fishing on my boat a few years back. When he was done telling me all the "perks" he ripped people off for as a cop...I just wanted to throw that stupid asshole over board. He says to me "Man you people don't know what you got out here". So I just said oh.......really? why in hell do you think we are here.

Any ways Kevin, no one has any control over their ancestry or geography at birth, of course! But you can do something about it!!!

There always is an entirely different mind set from east to west on this page. I have noticed that since I first ever came here and listened to you crazy bunch a sons-a.....oh....my heart. You got this little core group back there who pat each other on the back and all try to agree on some of the dumbest gawd damn music on this planet.

Of course every one else in the universe is all wrong, and don't know know any thing about music if it's against the flow here. It's funny how singers, song writers, bands who have huge success are just no good according to this outfit.

There is obviously a lot of people, (most the population) except for here that don't know shit about music.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Johnny A.

Kevin, I can highly recommend Johnny A.'s "Get Inside". You can check out some samples on Amazon. He is a very talented player and pays great attention to tone. Good stuff. Hope you enjoy it.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 21:58:29 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: 555

huge orange flying boat rises off the lake, thousand-year old petroglyphs doin' a double take

. . .

it cuts like a knife, but it feels so right


Entered at Thu Apr 22 21:59:26 CEST 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

NB: For some it was more putt than drive that they took west. I ain't namin' names.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 21:57:49 CEST 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Westcoaster: I wouldn't go so far as to call Bryan Adams' catalogue 'shlock', and he's written some memorable songs (with lyrics by Jim Vallance on most of the earlier stuff), but I can't think of any evidence of there being a poetic bone in his body. Or at least nothing that holds a candle to "Messenger wind, swooping out of the sky, lights each tiny speck of the human kaleidoscope, with hope". Even the phrase "Wondering where they lions are" is a very effective way of conveying the idea that he's christian and ready to rumble. Still, Richard Manuel never sang one of Bruce's songs, but he did sing one of Bryan's.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 21:54:56 CEST 2010 from vance012.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.57)

Posted by:

NB

Ya Norm, kinda like yours truly.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 21:43:17 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1279277839.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.59.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Westcoaster......it may be the acid rain in my eyes......but Adam's first name should read Bryan rather than Brien - no? and remember...he was born in Kingston, Ontario but did bring his talent and drive West like many before him..........


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: East of the Rockies

That's the kinda shit we've always expected from everyone from Trana. That acid rain took away all yer taste years ago. You need a little more education about Brian Adams song writing.

I wonder where the lions are 555 times over really expressive lyrics........but it probably takes that much to get thru to you.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 21:18:14 CEST 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Charlie Y: I've read it, and led a discussion here at the GB a few months ago. Maybe you nodded off in that ol' rocking chair of yours? I found it interesting and well written, with lots of new information (to me anyway) about Robbie's family - not to mention all the other artists covered. Good title, too, even if it's not exactly what's delivered.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 21:15:32 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Yes Charlie, we were posting at the same time -- I've read Mr. Schneider's fine book and recommend it highly.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 21:12:11 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: He's moving on, he'll soon be gone...

Canadians and Americans alike seem to forget the legacy of the prolific Hank Snow, from Brooklyn, Nova Scotia. He worked with legends such as Hank Williams, Elvis Presley and Chet Atkins. Artists as varied as Ray Charles, the Everly Brothers, Johnny Cash and the Rolling Stones have covered his songs.


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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Canadian Artists

Speaking of Canadian artists: I just found out about a book called "Whispering Pines: The Northern Roots of American Music...from Hank Snow to The Band" by Jason Schneider. Has anyone read it?


Entered at Thu Apr 22 20:52:37 CEST 2010 from (131.137.35.83)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: imho

B. Adams sux.

x2


Entered at Thu Apr 22 20:50:26 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1279277839.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.59.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Any list that grades Canadian artists based on the 4 categories that Steve has chosen to use......songwriting, singing, guitar playing and output.......should also have Joni Mitchell at or near the top...........


Entered at Thu Apr 22 20:39:09 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1279277839.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.59.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Westcoaster......You are one of the reasons I tune into this place......and love reading your posts...but but but.....Adams may have the awards and bank account but really doesn't hold a candle to Cockburn as a singer and most certainly not as a guitar player......as to songwriting - has Adams ever written a song on his own? I really liked "Cuts like a Knife" and "Summer of 69" but most of everything else I have heard has been schlock......well produced schlock though.........


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Arguably???????

Bruce Cockburn, isn't even any where close to Brian Adams. You can easily look at Wikipedia for the stats.

18 Juno Awards, (and 56 nominations) 15 Grammy awards. 75 million albums sold world wide, 30 million singles. First male singer in Canada to ever sell 0ne million singles in Canada alone.

Has written and produced scores for several movies, has 3 academy award nominations......and on....and on. But of course he comes from out west, where some people, don't get out much.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 18:56:27 CEST 2010 from 21cust59.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.59)

Posted by:

Steve

Hey good news. Bruce Cockburn, arguably Canada's most talented and prolific ( 30 albums) singer/songwriter/guitarist package, will be releasing his memoir in July 2012. I know, there are others, like Neil for example, who compare in one or two or even three areas, if you count output, but I think Bruce's average across the four is hard to beat. Gord, certainly is up there but can't hold Bruce's pick. Same for Leonard. Robbie can , of course but falls well short in two areas. Can't wait for the release.

Bruce's longtime manager, Bernie Finkelstein will be releasing a memoir as well. Interesting to see how well they match up.


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Posted by:

Donald Friedman

Web: My link

Subject: History Endevour

the audio and video clips are priceless, really enjoyed them, tremendously


Entered at Thu Apr 22 17:43:05 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1279277839.dsl.bell.ca (76.64.59.15)

Posted by:

Kevin J

bob w......3 or 4 years ago while reading Guitar Player I was really impressed with a piece on Johnny A....so much so that I clipped the page out as a reminder to self to purchase something by him......as it turns out I never did......Is there a particular CD that you would recommend? Your link to Johnny A has additional links to REM doing "Wichita Linemen" and one of the very first songs I ever remember hearing as a kid - "Galveston".....Fantastic


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Posted by:

azrash@artmailbox.com

Subject: usa

hello all


Entered at Thu Apr 22 16:58:20 CEST 2010 from itac-gw.yyz.teloip.net (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Charlie Y: Seems to me that the first part of "The Boxer" could even be from the point of view of some poor sap who's been told that with enough time in the studio he's bound to get a hit - "I am just a poor boy, though my story's seldom told. I have squandered my resistance for a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises. All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Ain't it the truth. Ain't IT the truth.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 16:57:38 CEST 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Having had the Harper Simon playing all day, it's already added another half star. Try "Shooting Star" as well. Maybe he'll be the interval act?


Entered at Thu Apr 22 16:35:49 CEST 2010 from c-71-62-141-173.hsd1.va.comcast.net (71.62.141.173)

Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Simon & Garfunkel

David: I once read the original version of "The Boxer" took over 200 hours of studio time. That was one expensive track, but I think they made their money back. It's great to see Simon & Garfunkel are hitting the road again for the first time since 2003 this year. I wonder if they'll drag along some older influence like they did with the Everly Brothers on that last tour. Is anyone left? It may be a "God-damn impossible way of life" but they keep going back to it.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Classical Gas

If you haven't, it's pretty cool to catch Tommy Emmanuel on Youtube, playing, Mason William's Classical Gas. Probably one of the most animated guitar players you'll ever see.

There are many pickers having a go at that piece of music, including Clapton, David, again with one of those multi-colour strats.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 15:47:07 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Simons & Carters

The basic, foundation track on Simon & Garfunkel's "The Boxer", recorded in Nashville, featured Fred Carter Jr and Paul Simon's Travis style picking on acoustic guitars. In 2007, Mr. Carter's daughter Deana revisited the song in a duet with Mr. Simon's son Harper, along with both fathers recreating their guitar parts. It was included on Ms. Carter's album "The Chain", which included cover versions of songs from her father's era and also featured a version of "The Weight".


Entered at Thu Apr 22 13:24:31 CEST 2010 from pool-96-227-90-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (96.227.90.76)

Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Subject: Johnny A.

Kevin, dlew, are you aware of Johnny A.? Another gifted player.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 13:14:07 CEST 2010 from pool-96-227-90-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net (96.227.90.76)

Posted by:

bob w.

Kevin, I guess I'm an easy mark for anything Chet recorded. He has been "assigned" to Sunday afternoons around here for quite some time. I like the album.

dlew, I had not heard about Tommy Emmanuel's brother. Thanks.


Entered at Thu Apr 22 10:36:59 CEST 2010 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Harper Simon

Check out Harper Simon's first album at age 37. First, he sounds like his dad. The album is produced by Bob Johnson, Paul Simon co-wrote three and plays guitar on one too. Steve Gadd plays drums. Sean Lennon plays on several (celeste). Inara George sings with him on one.

Fred Carter Jnr appears on one track, Hargus "Pig" Robbins on another.

Suggested sampler tracks on iTunes: More Wishes Than Stars and Tennessee.

On The Shine, sung along with Inara George, the composer credits are interesting: Harper Simon, Carrie Fisher & Paul Simon

Most reviews here give it four stars. Definitely fair. I'll let it sink in for a few weeks. Maybe it'll get a fifth!


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Tommy Emmanuel

One of hte best shows I saw was at the album launch of 'Determination', where Tommy called up Nigel Kennedy (the violinist) and they did a couple of Django/Grapelli numbers... truly inspiring stuff... great guitarist, and by all accounts nice guy.

PS: has anyone heard Tommy's brother Phil: there are those who say Phil is the better guitar player - on acoustic, it's Tommy, definitely, but on electric.... Phil's pretty damn good...


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: The Band

They are still one of the best groups ever. Right up their with The Beatles I must confess.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Rag Time Willie

I believe you're right Lars....Rockin' Chair sure is in my case anyway. If I could spend these years sittin' in that rockin' chair on the deck in the sun spinnin' yarns with you, it would make my life complete.

I know I owe you one, and we will get it done, but sitting out on the deck of the Late Nite Lady, anchored in some bay in the sun with you and Kris and Susan would be the absolute vacation for me.

How are you doin' old son?????????


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: Daydreamin'

NORM- Good for you. Keep falling down on your lawn...just don't forget to get up again. You've got some easy days coming to you.

I wonder if "Rockin Chair" is the most appropriate Band song for a lot of Band fans these days...


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Smellin' The Roses

I'm blowin' the day to take a walk in the sun,

I fell on my face on my new mowed lawn........

I did some work in the green house, tilled some garden, mowed the lawn......and I was layin' under the apple tree with my mouth open, waiting for a apple to fall...I realized, they ain't nothin' up there but blossoms yet.

Truth is.....my mouth was open 'cause I was snoring! I fell asleep, and woke myself up. Can ya beat that?.....oh well


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Posted by:

Kevin J

bob w: Love the title.....but no....I did know of the connection to Chet Atkins but not that they recorded together....just looked it up and see that it was the last studio thing that Chet Atkins did. Do you recommend it? A big part of the appeal with Emmanuel is just watching him play - no one has more fun with the instrument and it just radiates off the guy......a bit humbling to try and follow along though! The local Jazz station in Toronto is in the middle of a pledge drive so all sorts of names have been popping up in recent days.....


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Tommy Emmanuel/Chet Atkins

Kevin, are you familiar with Emmanuel's collaboration with Chet Atkins..."The Day Finger Pickers Took Over the World"?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Come to think of it, the Maple Leaf is something that withers and drops dead just as the hockey season is starting. Of course, they HAVE won a cup since, oh, 1961.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, IIRC is shorthand for "If I Recall Correctly". As a name, Blue Jackets is no odder than BlackHawks who are named after a Sauk warrior dead over 200 years (IIRC).


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

above link to the great Tommy Emmanuel...heard something yesterday and was reminded how special a player he is.

Sadavid......Considine is an odd duck......a jazz guy and a real musician ( not the norm in the rock ctitic world )and yet he seems to missfire in a great many of his reviews.......many Beck fans - especially the younger ones I would imagine - might well take issue with the gentleness of the album - but trust me there is nothing "Elevator" or "Michael Kamen" about it...not even close.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: A-W-O-L

By the way Neutered Buoy & Bonk.........April 11, I was in Mereworth Sound loading my gawd damn barge....give me a Haruummpphh!

But Lorne made it, and he said it was pretty dead anyway. A lot never showed. Now I'm goin' out to work in my green house......


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Bill M: Steve's famous trip to the beach with Bumbles was before my time. But I can easily picture them hand- in-hand skipping along the shoreline collecting shells from the beach as they go, - mostly .45's, but maybe a few .22's. (Now don't try to tell me that joke's not Letterman quality folks , cause that's where I stole it from).

. Pat From The Flatulent City: You're totally right about American Idol's Crystal Bowersox. Last night's performance was another homerun for the Bo'sox, not to be cornfused with a shutout, which isn't that cornfusing really, just for The Odd Person, and I do mean odd. NB


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: your TV guide

tonite's _American Idol_: "Idol Gives Back: Celebrities join the contestants to raise money for charity; scheduled performers include Elton John, Alicia Keys, Carrie Underwood, The Black Eyed Peas, Annie Lennox, Jeff Beck and Joss Stone."

BTW, the _Globe_'s reviewer was underwhelmed by the new Jeff Beck (2 stars); see [My link].


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Jerry

Thanks for that video. It was good to see Rick. I wonder if there is more of that tape.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks Pat B. Two questions though. What does IIRC mean? And doesn't a franchise-owner's decision to name a new sports team after a bunch of guys known to be either very dead or very old strike you as perverse?

Now, to things musical. A recent purchase was the CD version of Neil Young's first. Didn't care for it at all way back when, but find that I now like it a lot. I find "Old Laughing Lady", with its First Nations theme and the striking chanted background vocals of Merry Clayton et al, very remeniscent of much of Robbie' "Native Americans".


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Posted by:

David P

westcoaster: I remember seeing Mr. Mayer here in Atlanta, where he started his career playing in small clubs in the late '90s. Unfortunately, there was no Jennifer Aniston around back then hanging out.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Right, Steve, and 6 of the 7 before that are from the West.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Crossroads

David; At that same concert, it's pretty impressive to see young John Mayer burn 'em up with Clapton, playing "Crossroads".


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Posted by:

Steve

Hey, Bill, I'm starting a petition to have the Leaflets transferred to the Western Conference til they show some respectable easterly type play. Want to sign?

Pat since you like stats, I've done you a favour and will post a list of the only stats that count, the last 20 cup winners. Wait there was a lock out year so if I start with 1990 I'm not sure I'll get 20, lets see.

1990-Pittsburgh

1991 Pittsburgh

1992 Montreal

1993 The Rangers

1994 New Jersey

1995 Quebec Nordiques, seeing a trend yet? But let's continue.

1996 * Detroit

1997 * Detroit

1998 Dallas

1999 New Jersey

2000 Colorado

2001 * Detroit

2002 New Jersey

2003 Tampa Bay

2004 Lock Out

2005 Carolina

2006 Anaheim

2007 * Detroit

2008 Pittsburgh

* Denotes a team that is actually an eastern team to anyone with any sense of geography but lent to the west to add a little credibility to that conference.

There, Pat, 11 of 18 ( soon to be 12 of 19)and that's with the loan of Detroit, otherwise it's 15 out of 18. Drop the puck!


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Posted by:

Pat B

Anyone who actually follows hockey knows that in the last ten years, 5 teams from the East and 5 teams from the West have won the Stanley Cup. Like I said, Steve, facts do help make opinions make sense.

Bill M, IIRC, the Blue Jackets were originally a reference to the Northern Civil War soldier--the Blue in "The Blue and Gray".


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: I don't share Steve's general approach here ("Baseless has been berry berry good, to me"), but I do share his shock that there is something called the Blue Jackets. I thought it was a late April Fool's joke but since it was you I googled it. Holy Shit! What a stupid name; did they think they were going to wear tails over their shorts? Why not the Butlers and go with top 'n' tails. (We won't even mention the Columbus part.)


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Subject: OOOOPS!

It is The Queen (not The queen),


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: See below

It's time to do as GEORGE BUSH and Her Royal Highness The queen of Denmark and humble me: throw e-mail out of the window(s). - You should use the same operating system as US U-boats with nuclear weapons and humble me: Linux!


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, in keeping with the importance of this discussion I'd direct your dependence on stats when it comes to east vs west in the NHL reg season to the record of The Yankees in preseason games. By now, if you really follow hockey, you'd have figured out that most players treat the regular season the same way the boys in pinstripes treat la ligue de pamplemousse ( your french phrase de jour).

I think they only play the season so they can keep selling franchises and to decide the order of draft picks.

Anyone with a passing interest in the game could have picked 90% of the teams that were eliminated by the ho hum series of games called the regular season.

The next 6 or 7 weeks is the season that counts, and the teams to watch are in the east of course. If we could transfer Washington or Pittsburgh to the west, just for the playoffs, the eastern final wouldn't be considered the real Cup round.


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Posted by:

Devil

Subject: "Peter, e-mails from you end up in our SPAM-filter, replies bounce back. Got the update on the "hangarounds" in the photo."

Sleep well ;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


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Posted by:

David P

Forgot to mention that the Crossroads Festival that year was at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Well I dig you Georgia peaches...

westcoaster: I believe that video clip of J.J. Cale and Eric Clapton is from the 2004 Crossroads Festival. The guitar Clapton was using is one of the custom Strats he's had built featuring a spraypainted finish designed by graffiti artist John "Crash" Matos.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, you seem to excel at holding baseless opinions. 13 of the 15 Western Conference teams--including the Columbus Blue Jackets--had winning records versus your Eastern heroes. However, only 7 of your teams had winning records against the West. Yup, less than half.

If this is a reflection of the care with which you form your opinions on other salient matters, I'd search for a new approach, one more fact based.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jerry: Thanks for the link. It was especially nice to hear Rick spinning a yearn. Any idea why the sound was muted when he said why they were on Yazoo Street in the first place?


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Posted by:

Steve

Pat, your right those records are impressive at first glance. Then when you see they play half their games against the hamburger-helpers of pro hockey it makes sense. I was shocked, shocked, to see there's a team in Ohio.

My god, no wonder the stats get padded.

I've forgotten the team's name already, the Dinner Jackets, I think. Wait, I've heard that name before. I knew it had a familiar ring. They left a message on our phone machine in the fall asking if I was interested in playing for them. I didn't respond thinking it wasn't possible there was an NHL team in Ohio. I thought it was my friend Grant who's a great practical joker.

Maybe I'll take them up on their offer when they call this fall.

So, I guess if you get to play 16 games against the Dinner Jackets and Oilers and most of the rest against some of those other escapees from the Mid West Beer League the stats can look good.

Pat, once again, if your team is interested in ending their, what is it, half century, Stanley Cupless streak, come see us for a goalie and we'll both do better next year.

Actually, Pat I can go one better. I'll call my buddy, Brian Jerk, who as Commander and Chief of The Maple Leafs runs the league, and see if he'll move Chicago and Detroit back into the eastern conference so you can play with the big boys during the regular season.


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Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: "Iceland Reminds Us Nature Is Boss"

I hadn't seen that before, Jerry. Thanks. Levon almost looks like a teenager without the beard.

I'm guessing that Christopher Hitchens probably isn't to everyone's taste here but the link is to a wonderful piece about the Icelandic volcano - "Iceland Reminds Us Nature Is Boss." Indeed. The scary thing is it's a mere gnat's fart in comparison to the potential of the Yellowstone caldera. Kind of puts things into perspective. On a lighter note it's encouraging that Cheryl Cole hasn't blown Ash in quite some time.


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Posted by:

Jerry

Web: My link

I'm sure most of you have seen this...I haven't and thought it was pretty cool...Levon and Garth playing the blues, with both Rick and Levon talking about Sonny Boy....


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Posted by:

Bob F.

Location: Upstate N Y

Subject: Dylan Live at Massey Hall 30 Years Ago Today

There is a youtube link on Expecting Rain today that will take you to great videos of Dylan in Toronto 1980. The show was professionally video taped but never used. Years ago it was bootlegged. A great band and a great tour.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The Breeze

Other day, I had a pretty nasty Nor'west blowin' in my face, pissing me off, so I was singing. They call me the breeze.

Just now I clicked up a trac on Youtube...JJ with Clapton. I don't know when or where it was. But I was playin' with them. (course I sounded better than Clapton.) He was playing this tacky looking strat. All sorts of colours and designs on it......but to each his........I guess. Some out door concert.....where in hell was it David????


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Posted by:

bob w.

Steve, give brevity a try. Think of all the commas that will be spared.


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Posted by:

Bill M

I suspect that the problem is superficially one of terminology, but really reflects the conflict deep within many of us. Steve grew up with adjectiveless hockey - the real thing, as opposed to the wussy 142-team clutchfests that now fill the airwaves. Hockey from the days when men were men - with no teeth and facial scars that rivalled C-sections. Now there are so many games - from the 6th round on down to the culmination on Labour Day - that it'll be months before the national news hasn't been preempted and we can get back to discussing current off-ice events.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Short post to the point

Pat B: It's no use -- A dumb puck can't find the net.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, if you actually followed hockey, you'd know the Hawks have better goaltending than the Habs (they're called statistics) and that the Preds were 47-29-6. You'd also know that two teams from the West would have made the playoffs, based strictly on point totals, had they been in the East, which would have bumped your 39-33-10 team.


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Posted by:

Steve

Sorry Pat, I thought you were talking about NHL hockey and assumed you meant the Montreal and Washington game. What is this Nashville team you're talking about? Do the Hawks get to play a team from the Southern Coast League in the first round?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Deep River Woman

Not at all the style of all the music "Hoarders" around here .........but. I finally got home. Had to phone Susie and ask her if I still lived here???

I was rummaging around in my old satchell of tapes....yes I still use a gawd damn cassette player on my tug! Anyway I find this old tape of Vinyl Richie. Deep River Woman. Well with my feet up on the binnacle shelf in the middle of the night, watching the sweep of the radar, and occasionally glancing at the commputer, listening to some mumbles on the traffic channel.......this old song works pretty good, when you are finally heading home to see a real sweet lady.


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Posted by:

Pat B

NB, I'm sorry. Steve's shortcomings do prevent him from recognizing a shutout. This certainly explains a lot about the rest of his posts.

I'm going to try to be helpful. On Sunday night, the Nashville Predators failed to score against the Chicago BlackHawks. The final score was 2-0. In the real world, that is called a shutout. Perhaps a post-it note would help.


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Posted by:

Steve

Sorry Pat, in the morning blur I missed your short ( though not quite Bobbed short)post. I do recognize shutouts when I see one, we have the goal-tending that does give us a look at it on a regular basis.

Now, if you'd taken me up on the offer you'd have an idea of what a true shutout looks like too.

I guess in Chicago giving up only 1 goal is as close as it gets so you round down to come up with 0 and voila a "Chicago Shutout!"


Entered at Tue Apr 20 16:25:59 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding: Somewhere Over The Rainbow & Gardening At Night

Due to prior commitments I couldn't make it to the Record Store Day celebration at my local independent store Saturday. However, I did stop by yesterday after work to browse through the left-over special releases and found two vinyl goodies -- Jeff Beck's new "Emotion and Commotion", that bob w & Kevin J mentioned, and a blue vinyl reissue of R.E.M.'s debut EP "Chronic Town". Both were limited edition RSD specials and both sound great. Besides the analog warmth, as always, the large format packaging does justice for the record cover artwork & liner notes, with no strain on the ears & eyes.


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Posted by:

Bill M

NB: I'd've said overalls rather than nightshirt, mostly because of his famous trip to the beach with Bumbles some years ago, but I guess everybody's gotta go to bed at some point - though most of us wouldn't choose a banjo for company.

As for Val, she's mentioned six or eight times, so I guess was a close and valued colleague, but I don't think the book comes right out and says she was actually in Second City - so likely she wasn't. It does have her with a couple of the SC crowd in a previous stage group (Global Village?), but after that it looks like comedy writing was her thing, as you suggest. Her brother Rex made Dan Ackroyd's first movie as star, something with a title like "First Sight" or "Second Sight".

BEG: I don't recall meeting the Maximi at all, though maybe they were using aliases at the time. Am I to take it that you blew off a visit to High Park on a gorgeous day to visit a mere record store? (Nice to know it's still there; did you know that Rob Bowman was once a co-owner of Vortex?)


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Posted by:

Steve

NB, your lack of sporting insight will be attributed to your choice of an non sport, as your sporting pleasure and leisure activity. I think the fact, golf, makes it on to so many lists as a hobby says it all. I can say no more.

My offer to Pat, was to correct the problem that is playing out in both series.

We need a goal scorer and they need a goalie.

If we had a guy who could put the puck in the net on a regular basis we'd have had a 2 or 3 goal lead at the end of the first period last night.

When you dominate the play and don't score, often the team slumps as the game goes on.

Our guys have given up a bunch of goals in the last two games but we are playing the team that scored about 80 more goals this year than any other team ( one per game), ended up first in first place in the league and has the best power play.

The fact we won the first one and took the second to overtime says we're in the series and that's all you can ask of a team without a 30 goal scorer. I think they have 3 or 4 guys with more than 30 and fucking Ovechkin had 50 himself.

If Pat had thrown his weight around with the Bow Boys we could have made a deal that would have helped both teams. I'm holding him responsible.


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Posted by:

Cwipple Cweek

Location: Perth

Subject: Eddie Cochran

Hey Peter V great comments about Eddie Cochran.I have a double album of his i used to listen to incessantly. I would rate the guitar lick of his on Hallelughla(SP?) I Love her So as the BEST to come out of the 1950s.In the liner notes it mentioned that a young George Harrison followed him around England checking out his guitar playing.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Heights of famous people

Virtually all famous people are shorter than you expect them to be, and also shorter than they claim to be. The Tom Cruise effect.

If you have seen the Joe Meek biopic "Telstar" you will never be able to eradicate the appearance of John Leyton in the film from your memory.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm of The Band in Concert
Levon Helm of The Band plays the drums during a concert at Queens College, New York.
IMAGE:
© Harvey L. Silver/Corbis
DATE PHOTOGRAPHED
January 09, 1970
LOCATION
Flushing, Queens, New York, New York, USA
PHOTOGRAPHER
Harvey L. Silver
COLLECTION
Historical


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The Band Performing at Woodstock '94 Festival
Guitarist Roger McGuinn is one of several guest musicians to join bassist Rick Danko and other members of The Band at Woodstock '94 in Saugerties, New York.
IMAGE:
© John Atashian/CORBIS
DATE PHOTOGRAPHED
August 13, 1994
LOCATION
Saugerties, New York, USA
PHOTOGRAPHER
John Atashian
COLLECTION
Documentary Value


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Posted by:

Pat B

NB, I'm fairly certain that Steve--despite his shortcomings--recognizes a shutout when he sees one.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bass Guitarist Rick Danko Performing
IMAGE:
© Christopher Felver/CORBIS
PHOTOGRAPHER
Christopher Felver
COLLECTION
Documentary


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon Helm of The Band Performing
IMAGE:
© John Atashian/CORBIS
DATE PHOTOGRAPHED
August 13, 1994
LOCATION
Saugerties, New York, USA
PHOTOGRAPHER
John Atashian
COLLECTION
Documentary Value


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Levon and Robbie....

Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm in Concert
Guitarist Robbie Robertson and drummer Levon Helm of The Band perform during a concert at Queens College in New York.
IMAGE:
© Harvey L. Silver/Corbis
DATE PHOTOGRAPHED
January 09, 1970
LOCATION
Flushing, Queens, New York, New York, USA
PHOTOGRAPHER
Harvey L. Silver
COLLECTION
Historical

Bill M again....Since you've met "Mr. Maximus" and his better half.....I asked them yesterday....(by the way the plans changed to Yonge/Eglinton...great used music store there...Vortex).....if they wanted to see Levon's Band as well.....Yes they did....but not for 80.00.....Even my friend's daughter who is close to thirty said....."I love Levon. He was the voice of The Band." She learned about The Band when I first started posting on this site eight years ago.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: "End Of The World"

Bill M: Was Val (whom I don't recall) actually part of the Second City troupe, or a lowly comedy writer ?

Strange we don't see Steve here today, giving the gears to Pat From The Flatulent City over the Hawks' lack of goaltending. Not with the Habs (short for HABitual loserS) having just blown a 4-1 lead in game two against the Caps. Mind you, the Habs lost 8 straight playoff games in the last two seasons (to go along with an equally impressive zero wins), so maybe that tiny detail finally found its way back into Steve's "thinking".

I came across another song in the immortal "Eve of Destruction" genre. This is Skeeter Davis' immortal "End Of The World". BTW, the handsome, articulate fellow on the left who's introducing Skeeter is pretty much how I've always pictured Stevon Farm. NB


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I love this photo of Robbie....smiling, smiling....smiling.....IMAGE: © Henry Diltz/CORBIS

Bill M...I only knew Troiano's work with The James Gang due to my older brother once again. I liked how Bush from England changed their name to Bush X (lead singer married to Gwen Stefani....Gavin Rossdale) when original Bush with Troiano intervened.
The one and only time I saw Troiano was at The Hawk's Tribute at Massey Hall. He was unbelievable with his rendition of "A Change Is Gonna Come".....He blew me away.....far away....
This is one of the few times I also saw Garth on the same stage rockin' it out for a bit.....with Levon too! Both of them were on the stage with The Hawk!
I kept thinking if only.....if only.....if only.....


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Co-Billing vs. Opening Acts

Today's WASHINGTON POST has an article about highlights of the season at Wolf Trap, the only National Park for the performing arts. The piece mentions John Hiatt as "opening act" for Levon and band this summer, but I think it is a co-billing. I saw Los Lobos play there before Buddy Guy a few years back and their set was just as long and considerably better received by the audience than the sloppy, somewhat sleazy set by Mr. Guy. There are lots of clearly "co-billing" situations in this era when economics make people stay home too often unless something special is on a venue's schedule.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: Whew! Are you saying managers can be helpful?


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Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin J, Beck got new management a few years ago which has led in part to his resurgence.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Subject: Irish Dance Bands / Second City

Peter V: I think it was you who posted a bit some months ago about Irish showbands. I stumbled upon a book on the topic, "Send 'em Home Sweatin'", the other day and thought you might be intersted. The link is to the store's online listing.

NB: The same store had a copy of Dave Thomas's history of the Toronto Second City troupe. There's even an unclear photo and several mentions of a former Spartan, Val Bromfield, whose family lived next door to Martin H's for a few years.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M.....always good to hear the late Dominic Troiano play..........Pat B: The list of curious JB decisions is a long one.....interesting though that just about every move he has made in the last several years has been a good one..........the comment by old friend Rod Stewart in Rolling Stone about Beck having been an anti-celebrity has by mistake or design ultimately served him very well......


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Jeff Beck Group MkII

Wonder who made those blue Jeff Beck vid's? BBC?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Bluecaps, Red Blue Jeans and a Ponytail

Speaking of Gene Vincent -- Cliff Gallup, the great guitarist in Mr. Vincent's band, the Bluecaps, was a major influence on Jeff Beck and other young English guitarists. Mr. Beck recorded a tribute album for Gallup & Vincent entitled "Crazy Legs", along with the Big Town Playboys.

A bit of Georgia history -- Mr. Vincent's first big hit, "Be-Bop-A-Lula", was published by Atlantan Bill Lowery's publishing company.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Ahhhh, Bobby Tench, Max Middleton, Clive Chaman, and Cozy Powell. How could Jeff leave these guys for Tim Bogart and Carmine Appice? Ours is not to question why....


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Thanks

Thanks Peter, Bill M, David and Dlew.

Canadians figure quite a lot on my list of favourites. In addition to our boys - Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young.

I like BARK a lot and play the greatest hits of Gordon Lightfoot from time to time.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Jeff Beck Group

Jeff Beck Group; like the blue too, great tubes. Will listen to these a dosen times, thanks.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

... and that caused me to check out a promising-sounding Crowbar clip. Gets off to a slow start, but well worth waiting out for the showmanship on "Bisuit's Boogie". And Dunc, notice the $$ in play - back in '70 at least.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Kevin J: We dropped by the Blue Goose in Mimico yesterday to see who was guesting at the regular Sunday show and it turned out to be the phenomenal George Olliver. Caused me to look up the Mandala's great 1967 hit, "Opportunity". How 'bout that great Robbie-ish solo by Troiano?


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Posted by:

Kevin J

My guitar weekend continues! I had not seen these.......great great clips - love the background blue...........thanks Bob.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

Kevin, agreed on the new Jeff Beck release. Fabulous stuff. Have you stumbled upon these great YouTube postings? Check out the link.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Richard Thompson & Jeff Beck

I had an surprisingly beautiful guitar weekend..........two decisions led to the bliss.....a video store had a going out of business sale so I popped in on Saturday.......Sadly, a movie I wanted - the great New York Doll - was gone ( as was TLW happy to report ) .....anyhow, I purchased about 20 titles...one of which was Werner Herzog's Grizzly Man - a fascinating look at a crazy man's life.....but the real surprise was in the Extras section on the dvd which I had failed to notice when I had rented the thing a few years before..........There is a fabulous one hour look at the recording sessions for the soundtrack - which is basically one full hour of the great Richard Thompson playing guitar as Werner Herzog sits in the room explaining just what he wants.......Herzog is not a musician so it is a both special and a bit amusing to listen to his direction......bottom line: Guitar Heaven

The second decision was finally picking up Jeff Beck's new release "Emotion and Commotion" ......quite simply the best listening experience I have had this year and the best JB release in a long time......above link is JB discussing the album ( amusing! ) .......Highly recommended......Trevor Horn produced.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Long Distance Call from the Manchester Free Trade Hall

Muddy Waters also toured England in 1958, along with Otis Spann. They were backed by Chris Barber's British jazz band. Their concert at the Manchester Free Trade Hall on October 26, 1958 was recorded and has been released on CD. Dylan & the Hawks later carved out their own place in recording history on May 17, 1966 at that same venue.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: Thanks for the link to Amelia Curran. Very Cohenesque, isn't it? (That's a good thing, in my mind.)

Speaking of Leonard Cohen, I was flipping through a '67 film magazine yesterday to read a review of an NFB feature called "The Ernie Game", which interests principally because the soundtrack was by Kensington Market. Seems the cast of actors included Zal Yanovsky's wife Jackie Burroughs (who can be seen around the vat of acid-laced drink in the Festival Express film) and Leonard Cohen. Haven't seen it, so I have no idea what or how much he does.

dlew: Around here, those of us unable to claim 6' with credibility intact will round upwards to 5'11'. 5'8" would be the default height for the short guys. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

BEG: Speaking of High Park, we went past the blossom cloud around 7:00 yesterday evening and there were still more picknickers than blossoms on the ground under the trees. Last year there were dozens of people, this year many many hundreds; went viral due to the internet, I suppose.

David P: Good of you to mention Scott Cushnie, who was the first of two Suedes hired away by Ronnie Hawkins, Robbie Robertson being the second - at Cushnie's urging. Scott went on to do two later rounds with Hawkins in the '60s - in the late '60s when he stepped in when Richard Bell was hired away by Albert Grossman and Janis Joplin (and so got to do the Mussel Shoals album), and back in '64 when he was hired by Hawkins to run the publishing part of the new Ronnie Hawkins Enterprises Inc., which also involved a label (Hawk Records) and a booking agency with a stable of artists, most of whom also recorded for Hawk. Cushnie also signed on as pianist with one of that stable, the Vendettas, who I mentioned last week in regards to Paul Shaffer's hopes of meeting girls, and who evolved into Kensington Market (see second paragraph of this post).

Dunc: Lotsa musicians make a living without leaving Canada, though even more don't even come close. Even back in the '60s, people like Ian and Sylvia and Joni Mitchell (and Oscar Peterson if you dive back to the '40s) were doing quite well here and likely could have continued along without US success, but were talented enough and ambitious enough to push things an awful lot farther. (Gordon Lightfoot was nothing more than a somewhat successful songwriter in the US until "If You Could Read My Mind" in '70, but was already a national institution here. As for bigger in the UK, there's been a string of Canadians over the decades who did fairly-to-very well in UK bands but nothing back home before or since (e.g., the Vipers, Mike Berry and the Outlaws, Ultravox, the Tyla Gang, the Pink Fairies, Quiver, the Dickies). Robert Farnon might be the best example of lasting success overseas, and Kenny Wheeler would be another.


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Posted by:

antigen007@mailshell.org

Location: usa

Subject: sali

hello all


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: High School Confidential

Jerry Lee Lewis embarked on a tour of England in May 1958. However, when the news broke that he had married his 13-year old second cousin, Myra Gale Brown, who was accompanying him on tour, his concert dates were abruptly cancelled and his career derailed.


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Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Amelia Curran

Link is to a video of Amelia doing her best known song 'The Mistress'. Bit of a wordsmith isn't she? I heard "you had me by the Bible and you had me by the belt" as "you had me by the five hole...". The album for which she won the award is 'Hunter, Hunter'. Other Canuckistani acts that should win something include K'naan, Metric (song) and that precocious youngster Justin Beber (balls).


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Posted by:

Ari

I don't mean to digress, I haven't been in here in awhile but I have been wondering. Was Richard always a depressive, what exactly did he have? Was it recognized even when he was with the Hawks?


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Joe

Worstposter had a gig on April 10th but I watch The Masters every year, and really couldn't give it a pass this year as it marked the return to competitive golf of Tiagra Woods. Being half Bluenoser as I am, I was almost half-offended by your remark, Joe. I can assure you that other than being a particulary homely lot, NSers are "POSITIVELY not all that bad". NB


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Posted by:

Ari

I thought so too but he looks only slighter taller than Levon, so I began to assume he was like 5`9 or something.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: the fog

Subject: the fog

NB, I believe the fog's lifted enough for a few flights to get in. One of my boys was stranded in Labrador but he got in yesterday. I have to beg your pardon re the bus trip. Sounds like an opportunity for a party. Our own Amelia Curran won for best roots recording. I'm not that familiar with her actually. She's been based out of Halifax and I thought she was Nova Scotian. Not that there's much wrong with that. Did I hear you say you were going to visit Tugnuts?


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Location: Junos In A Fog

Joe J: I heard fog had shut down the St. John's airport, keeping many bands/guests from getting to this year's Juno Awards. I understand they still went ahead with the Juno Cup on Friday night, where ex-NHLers annually whup a bunch of much younger musician types, like Jim Cuddy of Blue Rodeo, in a game of shinny. I hope the weather has resolved itself for tonight's main event (a five hour bus trip down from the Gandor airport didn't sound like much fun). NB


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Dylan and The Band 1974 photo from Bettmann Collection.

Off to High Park to check out the cherry blossoms and celebrate a friend's birthday in the west end. Mr. Maximus' partner in life (birthday girl) saw Robbie with us at our Canadian Music Week as she was a huge fan of his Native inspired recordings. When Robbie didn't come back for a Meet and Greet as Daniel Lanois did.....She's not impressed anymore. Ouch! Ouch!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

The BOB missing pictures and another mystery woman.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: The Everly Bros; Richard's height

I was talking to a guitar player the other day (he was around 60 - just to set the scene a bit) - he said that the Everly's were his alltime favourites, but he'd hate to go on tour with them because they play the same 20 songs, and can't vary it.

There's a lot of Eddie Cochrane celebration here: I think in Aus, we had similar tastes to the UK, if only because of distribution agreements. I don't know that we got any black performers outside of Chuck Berry and Little Richard (apart from Jimmy Little, who was born here anyway...) until they were discovered by Clapton et al in the early 1960s. (Though it must be said, our jazz was pretty impeccable: black US soldiers brought it during WWII)

ArI: Hey! I seem to remember reading richard being something like 5'11 (about 177 or 178 cms)...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Just Like Eddie

Eddie Cochran is to me the greatest of all the white rock 'n' rollers. No competition. Summertime Blues, C'mon Everybody, Somethin' Else, Cut Across Shorty. Just those four would be enough. Yes, he is proportionally bigger in the UK than USA. Spencer Leigh wrote a book on Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent, who was in the car with him the night he died. Both were and are bigger in the UK, hence Ian Dury's song, Sweet Gene Vincent.

The Everly Brothers, as they always say in concert, continued to be popular in the UK after their star had fallen in the USA.

Buddy Holly is another, whose legend lived on more strongly in the UK charts (and hearts).

I believe this shows our impeccable taste in music. I have Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent compilations sitting on my desk as I write. The Everly Brothers section of my collection is too big to keep near the desk.

I place Eddie Cochran and The Everly Brothers right up there with Chuck Berry. There is no greater praise for me. Eddie Cochran's career was so much shorter than Chuck's. Add Weekend, Sitting in the Balcony, Twenty Flight Rock, Nervous Brekdown, Jeannie Jeannie Jeannie. Also check out his version of Hallelujah I Love You So. It's the only one to compete with Ray Charles.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: The Blues:

"It's 12-bar, bent-note melody is the anthem of a race bonding itself together with cries of shared self victimization. Bad luck and trouble are always present, and always the result of others, pressing upon unfortunate and down trodden poor souls, yearning to be free from lifes' responsibilities. Never ending beats repeat the chants of sorrow, and the pity of a lost soul many times over. These are the Blues"

see the link ... a nice read 'bout the blues. I've got the BMW blues meself today: "ELV verspannt, won't start" it says (as is if I didn't notice), anyway nice weather for a walk.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bigger here than over there?

This week has seen the 50th anniversary of the death of Eddie Cochrane and I caught part of the tribute programme on radio 2. The tour is sometimes described as the first rock tour in Britain. When Eddie was in a critical state in hospital, his manager, outside the hospital, decided to flip the A side of his next record so that the intended B side, 'Three Steps to Heaven', became the A side. It of course went to number 1 in Britain. This was done when a young boy was dying in hospital.

What also came out on the programme was that Eddie was more popular in Britain than in the USA. Was this so?

I'm also reading the relatively new biography of Leonard Cohen. I was surprised at how badly some of his albums sold in USA. Is Leonard more successful in Britain than in the USA?

Which got me thinking on are there other USA or Canadian artists who are more successful in Britain than the USA?

Also, can Canadian musicians make a decent living in Canada alone, without making it in the USA?

In the USA are there many bands who are successful in a state or few states who have a good living, but don't break nationally?


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Posted by:

Ari

How tall was Richard Manuel?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

PSB...Photo was taken at.....Bob Dylan Party at Ondines
New York - 5 October 1965
by Schatzberg.
Since you have more cred....Could you ask him if it was really Sara in the photo?

...from an interview with Schatzberg....

"A contact sheet would be rows of pictures on a page resembling an unrolled roll of film?

Yes. [I would also photograph] any of his friends that would come along, they’d get in the pictures whether it was Albert Grossman or David Blue. I don’t know if I got Phil Ochs with him, but Phil Ochs would come along and they’d argue about something. (He laughs at the memory.)

Phil was always very critical. You know, he didn’t think anything of telling Bobby that he thought a track was not very good, in the recording session. I think Bobby was very smart, he used to listen. He listened to Robbie Robertson and people that he respected–which is what you should do in a collaboration.

So I did the studio shots and it was after those that they asked me to do an album. The first album that I did was Blonde on Blonde. The gatefold cover is a double shot of him that’s slightly out of focus.

It has had every sort of interpretation from it was an LSD trip interpretation to a double exposure... But actually it was that we were outside, it was very cold and we were shaking. (He laughs.) Both of us! That’s really what it was, and that’s how it turned out."

Good Night.....Good Bye. :-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey PSB.....We enlarged both photos in my iPhotos and now imagezulu (photographer himself) is saying that's it's definitely a woman but not the same one. Anyway, if it's really Sara.....Many thanks for the correction!

Another photo of Big Pink and others....

Here's a site you might like since it's.....Positively Bob Dylan.

As far as Dylan photo books I sold some but now only have....

Early Dylan Photographs by Feinstein, Kramer, Marshall (RIP) Forward by Arlo Guthrie
Dylan by Steve Matteo
Woodstock Vision The Spirit Of A Nation by Elliott Landy (I also gave this book to two posters from this site.)
Woodstock dream by Elliott Landy
Yes you are right.....the photo in question is also in my Bob Dylan by Daniel Kramer book!


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of brotherly love
Web: My link

Subject: That pic again

Yep that's the photo but that version's really dark. It was originally in Dan Kramer's photo book, though he didn't identify who the woman was until years later.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi PSB. Are you referring to the photo of Sara and Dylan on the cover of _Wanted Man: In Search Of Bob Dylan...Edited by John Bauldie?
I bought the book two decades ago just for this cover not knowing at the time if it was indeed Sara.
Check link for 1965 Bearsville book cover photo of Sara and Bob.
When I compare this photo to the one with Rick....I actually thought the mystery person was a man. LOL
imagezulu didn't agree and said that you are probably right (Pat B was right about the year photo was taken) and that I'm wrong as usual. If I am.....thanks for clearing things up....but I was certain that it wasn't Sara.....Sorry....I shouldn't have sounded soooo definitive about the photo but.....but.....another reason I didn't think it was her with the boyzzzzz.....Dylan kept his women at home. ;-D


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: South Island
Web: My link

Subject: useless debates

Brian, I'm with you.

For your listenin pleasure I've linked to Hall & Oates from the 'Old Grey Whistle Test'.

Been on a Willie binge since I replaced my old vinyl of 'TheTroublemaker'. Recorded in NYC at the same time as 'Shotgun Willie' and also produced by Arif Mardin, it wasn't released for several years (really Willie, do you need to do a gospel album right about now?) for whatever reason. Backup singers are Sammi Smith, Dee Moellar, Larry Gatlin and Doug Sahm.


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of brotherly love
Web: My link

Subject: Yes it is

BEG, That most definitely IS Sara Dylan. If you have the Dan Kramer Bob picture book, there is a pic of her and Bob by a shack in the woods, that was supposed to be the original cover of Tarantula, and looks similar to the Bringing It All Back Home cover photo (though the woman on BIABH is of course Sally Grossman.) Take a look at the pic, there is no doubt.


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Posted by:

PSB

Subject: reply to Jan

Jan, Have no idea why that would be, it's on your provider.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Rick Danko and Gingsberg


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It's definitely not Sara Dylan.

The Band photo found in Momofuku Noodle Bar, NYC April 2010.


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Posted by:

Pat B

JH, In that new Rick/Dylan photo, I don't think that's Sara, and I would place the photo in 65 just from Rick's haircut.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Personal, to PSB

Peter, e-mails from you end up in our SPAM-filter, replies bounce back. Got the update on the "hangarounds" in the photo. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Steve

WHAT! Rick, has a girl's middle name? Who gets credit for that?

BEG, I'm sure I would enjoy Robbie's narration as much as his singing I just can't justify tying up the phone line for that long. I'll pull out, Somewhere Down The Crazy River, and listen to him narrate that.

@@

(~~~)


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: ....Not that I don't like MUSIC

I thought we were fighting the spread of Communism.

Most of the maples around here have their leaves now. The creeks have pairs of mallard ducks skulking about, working their way north to nest. The plaintiff cries of tom turkeys can be heard throughout the woods. Everybody has a freakin' angle, including the rock farmers. It's that time of year.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

David - please, the whole point of this place, I thought, was to engage in useless debates ;)


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ray/ David

I agree, in the end it is all about the music.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ronnie Hawkins & The Band

Just back from the splendid "Brighton Juke Box Fair" which has all sorts of memorabilia, from original T-birds to Harleys to Juke boxes to vintage petrol pumps, diner tables, old record players, clothes etc. And records.

Two finds, first that elusive 1970 Roulette reissue of Who Do You Love, which is credited boldly "Ronnie Hawkins & The Band" on both sides. I bet they didn't like that. The Arkansas Rock Pile LP had the same credit in the UK, though The Hawks only appear on one side.

The other was an original Bearsville single of Small Town Talk by Bobby Charles (for 50p!)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

INTERVIEW
Jim DeRogatis picks the worst rock movies ever
You think The Last Waltz is great?
The Chicago music critic begs to differ


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Life Is A Carnival

Officially, Richard Claire Danko, Mark Levon Helm and Jaime Robbie Robertson are credited as writers for "Life Is A Carnival". Curiously, the 45 single credited only J.R. Robertson. Since none of us were there when The Band's songs were written, presented, rehearsed and recorded, we don't know who may, or may not, have contributed elements to the process. What we do know, however, from Robbie's comments over the years, was that he exercised control over which members of the group received songwriting credits. This is a standard practice in the music business, as he apparently initiated almost all the songs the group recorded following the first two albums. Whether or not others made significant conributions, deserving proper credit, has been a point of contention over the years, leading to heated debate. It seems useless for outsiders to continue speculating about this, years after the fact, as only five individuals, along with a few others like John Simon, really know what went down. And sadly, only three members of the original group are with us today, and they are the ones who have to live and deal with their legacy and business arrangements. Although I, like many of you, have my own thoughts on the subject, in the spirit of harmony and respect, I'd prefer to just enjoy focusing on the beauty of the music, rather than engage in the ugliness of useless debate. The MUSIC is all that remains true, no matter what your point of view.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For Stevon Farm....Robbie gives good voice.

It's soooo good to have you back ray. No matter what or didn't happen....We're still going to see Levon soon and hopefully Robbie will have his latest recording out real soon too! :-D


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Posted by:

Deb

Well said, Ray.


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, see how quotes don't always make it perfectly into posts from the print you're looking at. Sometimes you lose a letter or pick up an extra comma. It even happens to professionals.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: As A Measure Of Accuracy

Ray, he could have also sang the songs but chose not to.

Pat, a goalie. Playoff success depends on stellar performances between the pipes. We've got two guys who are capable. Speak to someone before one of them is gone elsewhere.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Agree with you there, Ray.

Funny, I just got a friend's article about writing textbooks in collaboration this morning. Two things on co-writing. "On will always do the lion's share of the work" and co-writing is "like marriage, for good or bad, but without the sex."


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Posted by:

ray pence again, sorry

OK, just one more thing, sorry to annoy...

But I value accurate writing, it's one of the things I've taught for a long time, and seeing a professional like Greg Kot simply get it WRONG about the Band's interviews in the Last Waltz enrages me.

Damn it, the rest of the Band members do NOT mumble throughout their interviews. You can hear every damned word they say clearly and Rick's moment with Marty at Shangri-La listening to Sip the Wine is one of the movie's best. Levon does NOT behave as Kot describes--he smiles often and is rather laid back. Nice example for Kot to set.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: last waltz perspectives

Thank you, Dave H, for that link. It's been a while since I read the article. The writer makes an attempt to be evenhanded but I think he favors Levon's book's perspective and that shapes how he represents the movie in the article.

My perspective is this and I might not be alone: Yes, Robbie dominates the film, but I always found Garth, Levon, Richard, and Rick to be just as interesting and that they were just as essential to the movie's brilliance as Robbie was. Scorsese had great interview moments with each and every one of them, and with Levon in particular.

But as the saying goes, when people are looking for something, they tend to find it even when it might not be there. It wasn't until Levon's book came out that people decided that he was angry and difficult in his Last Waltz backstage/interview scenes.

Last but not least, kind of funny that the article doesn't make note of the commentary track that Levon (and Garth) provided for the DVD. That, to me, is maybe the biggest unanswered question in all of this. Why go out of your way and make what must have been considerable time to help sell a DVD of a movie that represents nearly everything you abhor?


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: the heartland/flyover country/lawrence kansas

What is the story, then, on Life is a Carnival? Don't I recall Levon stating that Richard's contribution pretty much started and ended with "Two bits a shot"? And if so, doesn't that indicate that Band members who contributed fragments were indeed credited as co-writers, at least on one song?

There seems to be a school of thought that implies that only a Southerner could have written or co-written a song as authentic as "Dixie." To be blunt, that is garbage. Levon may in fact have co-written or even mostly written that song--I don't know. But if he did so, he did it mainly because of artistry, not identity. To imply that his birthplace determined his stunning performances of "Dixie" (and all of them I've heard are indeed stunning) is to trivialize Levon's achievement and denigrate his resources and skills as a musician. He worked to develop those, he wasn't born with them.

To use another Civil War example, Stephen Crane had never been near a Civil War battlefield, in fact he wasn't born until after the Civil War was over. He was a Yankee. And who has written a better Civil War novel than Red Badge of Courage?

This is not meant to be insulting in any way, but I don't see how participating in conversations with someone equals songwriting, if in fact--IF--what Robbie says about his carrying most of workload is true.

If having conversations with someone equals songwriting, then Peter Fonda is due big time for his acid-soaked collaboration with John Lennon on "She Said, She Said."


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

The guys weren't song writers in the classical sense. There output post LW Band makes this pretty evident. It's not to say they didn't have ideas or hooks or what but they certainly weren't able to see things through. I wish they had. If so, they would have recorded more. The reunited Band took nearly ten years to make a record that they mostly didn't write. Hey - some people have it and some don't and many others just don't have the discipline to do it. Take all the songs the guys wrote post LW and I wonder if you can make one cd.., Robbie's output has not been great(mostly by choice I believe) but he's written four albums with a 5th coming.


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Posted by:

Dave H

Web: My link

JRR's take, for what it's worth: "Who did the work? I tried, I begged Levon to write songs or help me write songs -- all the guys. I always encouraged everybody to write. You can't make somebody do what they don't want to do or can't do, and he's not a songwriter. With The Band he started to write one song, `Strawberry Wine,' the whole time and couldn't finish it, and I helped him finish it. And there were some other songs that I wrote and he was there when I was writing them, and just because he was being supportive, I gave him credit on a couple of songs. He didn't write one note, one word, nothing."


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Posted by:

Bob F.

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way?

It's the same old tune, fiddle and guitar Where do we take it from here Rhinestone suits and new shiny cars We've been the same way for years We need to change Somebody told me when I got to Nashville Son you finally got it made Old Hank made it here, we’re all sure that you will But I don't think Hank done it this way I don't think Hank done it this way Ten years down the road, making one night stands Speeding my young life away Tell me one more time just so I understand Are you sure Hank done it this way Did Ol' Hank really do it this way? I've seen the world with a five piece band Looking at the back side of me Singing my songs and one of his now and then But I don't think Hank done 'em this a'way No I don't think Hank done 'em this a'way [Waylon Jennings]


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, my remastered CD is from Capitol's 1990 release so I don't have any quotes from Levon's 1993 book.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Actually, the remaster notes are interesting as they quote extensively from Levon's own book just before the section on Strawberry Wine, and refers the languid tone to the problems they were having at the time.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: I'm Looking At The Thin Liner Notes

Peter, all it says is "co-authored by Levon" but that may only mean that he was in the room. I don't want to disagree with your comment that he wasn't ever credited with writing lyrics til I'm sure but this sort of points in that direction. That's why I wanted to know if Robbie had ever said exactly what Levon's contribution was. I know that if you've seen or heard it from Robbie, that Levon deserved credit for writing some of the lyric, it would be admissible evidence.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Possibly, Steve. You'll have to buy the remaster to find out. Go on, it's record store day!


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Posted by:

Steve

Peter, did Robbie ever tell us what kind of credit Levon deserved on Strawberry Wine?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: All Men Are liars

JQ, have you heard the Dar Williams version? It's excellent, though being female takes away the irony when Nick Lowe sings "All men are liars, and that's the truth." I don't think poor Rick Astley (who has a new record out) has ever recovered.

Saturday is "Record Store day". Go out and buy a real record. The Beatles have Paperback Writer specially issued, there's an unreleased Stones single from Exile outtakes, and a new Hendrix single too.


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Posted by:

Daivd P.

The correct title of course is "Rainy Night In Georgia", written years earlier by Tony Joe White, inspired from the time he was living in Georgia and working for the city of Marietta, driving a dump truck for the highway department.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Rainy Nights In Georgia & Alabama

From the Department of Vinyl Siding:

Brook Benton's hit version of Tony Joe White's "Rainy Nights In Georgia" was included on the Cotillion album "Brook Benton Today" (Cotillion SD-9018). Coincidentally, Ronnie Hawkins' self-titled LP (Cotillion SD-9019), recorded at Muscle Shoals Sound Studios in Sheffield, Alabama, was released at the same time in early 1970. Both albums, released by the Atlantic subsidiary label, were recorded in late 1969. The latter LP featured backing by the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, along with Hawks Richard "King Biscuit Boy" Newell and Scott Cushnie, who had also been a member of the Suedes with Robbie Robertson years earlier. The highlight cut on "Ronnie Hawkins" was "Down In The Alley", featuring blistering bottleneck by Duane Allman. The song, previously recorded by the Clovers and Elvis Presley, was written by Jesse Stone, who was best known for writing "Shake, Rattle and Roll" and "Flip Flop and Fly".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Steve, I don't know that Levon ever "got credited for lyrics". He got credited for co-writing a song. That could mean one did lyrics and one the tune, or one did the verse and one the chorus, or one got the riff and the other the melody, or both collaborated all the way through the process.

In fact the remasters notes say "Levon received his first co-writing credit for coming up with the ominous riff that steadies the lascivious rocker Jemima Surrender."


Entered at Fri Apr 16 17:55:38 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1242458770.dsl.bell.ca (74.14.106.146)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Branching out from RR......I always liked the openning to Joe Ely's "Me and Billy the Kid" - above link

"Well, me and Billy The Kid never got along:

I didn't like the way he cocked his hat and he wore his gun all wrong.

Well, we had the same girlfriend and he never forgot it.

She had a cute little Chihuahua till one day he up and shot it."


Entered at Fri Apr 16 17:54:37 CEST 2010 from 21cust4.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.4)

Posted by:

Steve

Peter, true, the lyrics, Levon,got credited with are limited but we don't need to go into that now for this discussion we simply have to read quotes or listen to the way Levon and Robbie speak to get an idea of who probably wrote what. Could we agree that that might be something to go on?

There's also the fact that in Jemimah, keeping with Levon's more simple, down to earth persona, we get a canoe not a Robert E Lee paddle wheeler, A river boat called The Mississippi queen, The Flying Dutchman or even a ferry called The Baltimore.

Levon's choice for water transportation, a canoe, isn't even distinguished enough to merit a name and it's powered by hand in keeping with Levon's uncomplicated, every man's approach to life. Hop in my canoe and we'll go git some tattoos.

I guess you could make the argument that once again this is just Robbie appropriating Levon's voice and what could I possibly say to that since it precludes any discussion.

IIKKA, no need to go too deep, just stop at idiot. I'm fine with that.

PS, since I don't seem to have the proper key to spell your name like you do I've changed it just a little to look like that furniture company from Nordic Countries. No insult intended.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: wordblowing

I think all the lines & verses of Blind Willie McTell fit well together and most them individually are lovely zingers

For clever-fuck writing I'd take Nick Lowe. Consider from All Men Are Liars:

Do you remember Rick Astley

He had a big fat hit it was ghastly

He said, I'm never gonna give you up

Or let you down

Well I'm hear to tell you

That Dick's a clown

- All men are liars

And that's the truth


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Posted by:

Peter V

What about Rainy Nights in Georgia? I assume both Georgias have rainy nights but only one has snowy nights. Which Georgia is David P from? We deserve to know.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: Yes, that one was about the US, but as Ilkka will confirm, Vicki Lawrence's "The Nights The Lights Went Out In Georgia" was about electricity shortages in the Soviet era. Of course the implication that it happened so rarely as to be worth writing about was merely poetic licence.


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Posted by:

Deb

Bill M, maybe it was a hurricane evacuation. I've seen some windows boarded pretty fast in those circumstances. :o)


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: You're right, they fit together like hand in, ah, glove. Nice work.

Deb: Trouble is, the fact that the leaver had the time and took the trouble to board up the windows suggests that the departure maybe wasn't all that quick.

sadavid: Whenever my brain runs through the "what you done with the gun" line it then goes straight into Chuck Negron singing "... son / Mama told me, mama told me ..."

Last night's reading was snippets from "Get Back: The Unauthorized Chronicles of The Beatles' Let It Be Disaster", which identifies and sometimes discusses each song played, however incompletely, by the fab four during a three-week session in January '69. On day 7 they move from "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window" to "Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again" to "I Shall Be Released" to, now get this, "To Kingdom Come" (which they do again the next day!). Between ISBR and TKC, "Once again George expresses his great admiration for that group, and thinks their informal approach to music making would work well for The Beatles in their [planned but aborted] live show. [...] He then mentions how impressed he was with John Simon's production on The Band's album until he saw the group perform live [where/when?] and realized how little a part their producer played in shaping their sound."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Gonna Send You Back to Georgia

You mean … this is about the USA? The Beatles sang about Georgia girls in Back in the USSR.

Steve, (third try) it's hard to judge whether you're right because there are so few lyrics to compare it with.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Stalin (Steve's thread, don't kill me!)

STEVE is calling the late Comerade Stalin for "Joe". Because Steve is not an idiot there must be a deeper thought. Hmmmmm... Stalin came from Gruusia, today known as Georgia which is allied with the US. I have heard many people to pronounce this particular Georgia as Georgia in the US. Sorry Americans: it is not the same state! - As a linguistic curiosity I can tell that in Eastern parts of Nordic Countries STEVEs could be called for "Tapani" or "Steppana" in 19th century.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Testing … just tried to post something twice and it didn't appear either time.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Under the cloud.

Subject: Band related??? (especially for Mr. Hoiberg and Peter V.)

VOLCANO. IT'S BOUND TO BLOW!!!


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Check Out This Mash Up

Peter, since you're leaving it to me to be the authoritative voice on this I'll have to say, Levon. I say Levon wrote it just because it sounds Levon-like. Wouldn't you agree? It's a simple lyric from an uncomplicated man.

I'd expect something much more flowery from Robbie. Compare this to the ones others have put forward as their favorite Robbie openings.

Jemimah Surrender, undoubtedly another Levon penned opening, has the same unpolished lead in; Jemimah surrender, I'm going to give it to you.

Actually you could combine the openings they fit so well.

Jemimah, I would try my finger

I would try my hand,

I'm going to give it to you,

ain't no pretender

going to ride in my canoe,


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

From Hank to Hendrix
I walked these streets with you
Here I am with this old guitar
Doin' what I do.

"From Hank to Hendrix" by Neil Young

I saw a very well performed musical on Hank's story in NYC as I did on Buddy Holly, Patsy Cline too.....The Cowboy Junkies do a great cover of Hank's "I'm So Lonesome".

Today's song on the PA will be "People Got To Be Free" by The Rascals. Our school predominately teaches social justice and equity along with the four R's....fourth one being the Arts....Garland Jeffreys would approve.
Yesterday we wore pink to symbolize anti-bullying and anti-homophobia.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Singing or writing, Steve? I don't think anyone has sorted out exactly who did what in this Helm-Robertson collaboration.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Levon's Best Opening Lines

I would try my finger and I would try my hand

At any fool game in this man's land


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Cold War Country Blues

They took Hank Williams to the moon

They took Hank Williams to the moon

Well it seems to me

Instead of world war three

They took Hank Williams to the moon

Cold War Country Blues - Bap Kennedy (2009), from"Howl on" which is a song cycle based around the 1969 moon landing (they allegedly had recordings of Hank Williams)


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Posted by:

Buddy (the cat)

Location: The Dustbowl

Subject: Hank Williams

You've heard it on the radio, Hank has passed away

In the back seat of that Cadillac, it's true

To you he's just a legend now, to me he's still a friend

No, you don't know Hank Williams like I do

(With thanks to Ry Cooder for writin' them words for me to sing)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hi Bob F! Graham Parker's Rumour? I'm a huuuge fan of his as well. '"I stand up for liberty but I cannot liberate." I saw him and his band in the eighties...I think.....at our Masonic Temple on Yonge Street? He's another one who is able to embrace reggae with an edge and with punk and with a new wave sensibility...if that makes any sense. I'm not very articulate.....I just know what I like and then I learned to love it later.

Garland's "Ghost Writer"....This time he's channeling Bob with his moves as well.....I told Garland that only Ben Harper and himself continue to write and sing in the spirit of Bob Marley....Robbie was tapping into it with "Making A Noise" but then cleaned up some lyrics for TV la, la land.
Anyway......I was at his New Year's Eve Party at the Cutting Room in NYC and at a private party at the Jazzzz Standard on 27th Street in NYC.......He makes everyone feeel welcomed and special.....He has no idea how amazing he is.....I think at Joe's Pub in NYC he turned 60 the night we were there. Why the world only embraced Bruuuuce and not him in the same way is beyond my understanding......The only thing I can think of is that his music wasn't as accessible to the masses and he didn't play the fame game....

Also, Alan Freedman was with Garland for a long time on electric/acoustic guitar....who is such a sweetheart! He played with Garland in Toronto on acoustic guitar so he may be the one.....but yeah......When he's got a band with him......He's the ultimate performer like Al Jolson......Michael Jackson....He's influenced by Frankie Lymon so his voice is always the finest no matter what genre he sings and he's a writer!!!!!!!!!! Okkkkk.....Unlike Van....I'll stop now. Thanks for your response......Thanks very much.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I'll go for the obvious too. "I pulled into Nazareth feeling 'bout half past dead …" is superb. Right up there with "Ain't it just like the night …"


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Posted by:

Simon

I'll throw in "Over by the wildwood/Hot summer night/We lay in the tall grass/Till the morning light" Also agree with Deb about "Ophelia."

Has anyone watched the pilot episode for "Treme" yet? I'd be very interested in any first impressions.


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Posted by:

Deb

Steve, "There'll Be No Teardrops Tonight" verges on the same territory, especially the "Why, oh why" of the chorus.

As far as Robbie's opening lines, I think y'all have already mentioned the strongest. I'd have to go with either "The Weight" or Virgil Caine but "Boards on the window/mail by the door/What would anybody leave so quickly for?" is pretty good, too.


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Posted by:

Steve

Deb, I'll see your " Move It On Over" and raise the stakes with, Setting The Woods On Fire". there's something about the tempo that fits nicely with the idling Hot Rod Stoker engine. there's something verging on funky about it.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: open and closed case

Bill M: I like the "Caledonia Mission" and "Cripple Creek" openers. For 'closing the loop,' you can't beat:

Standing by your window in pain, a pistol in your hand . . . Tell me hon, what ya done, with the gun . . . .


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I would always go for the "Pulled into Nazareth....." one as I think of it every time I look into the sound hole of my Martin guitar....one of the best openning lines in a rock song ever..........though my favorite quirky openning line ever was Michel Pagliaro in "Sure maybe" it was ""I hung around a mental institution, they brought her in one day...." Try singing that one ! Not to be heard on American Idol any time soon..........


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: opening lines / closing lines

Any thoughts on Robbie's strongest opening line(s)? "Virgil Caine is my name and I rode on the Danville train", or "Pulled into Nazareth, was feeling 'bout half-past dead", or "Go out yonder - peace in the valley, go downtown - have to rumble in the alley", or something else?

I wondered about that when I was listening to "Fallen Angel" and decided that "Lay a flower in the snow" is his best closing line.


Entered at Thu Apr 15 18:19:14 CEST 2010 from (216.226.180.3)

Posted by:

Deb

You're right, JT. Toward the end of his life, Hank Williams was a cast member of the Louisiana Hayride, an Opry-like show broadcast out of Shreveport. By most accounts, he was working toward regaining a slot on the Opry at the time he died.

Johnny Cash might be a fair comparison, Dlew. Much of Hank's work is pretty solidly traditional country, but there's a edge to it that sets him apart. There's some borderline rock, too -- listen to "Move It On Over"-- or blues like Don Helms' steel guitar break from "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry". I think Hank has more in common with Robert Johnson than an early death. Elements of both their styles have been incorporated into the vocabulary of popular music so that it's hard to remember how innovative they were for their times. Of course, as an Alabama girl, I may have some bias here.


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Posted by:

David P.

Subject: Charlie Carr drove the car

Would things have turned out different if Hank Williams hadn't travelled alone in the back seat, with just a teenaged Auburn University student driving his Cadillac on that cold winter night?

"Alone and forsaken by fate and by man
Oh Lord, if you hear me, please hold to my hand
Oh, please understand"


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

The link's to the poster for the Toronto Pop Festival in June '69. Our guys are on day 1.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Hey Joe... :)

You're right, but Cash was also booted, and was eventually let back in... and you're also right that 'there was no good end to that story': Roy Acuff said 'Hank, you got a million dollar talent, but a ten cent brain'...


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Posted by:

Bob F.

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: Garland

Brown Eyed Girl, I couldn't agree with you more about Garland. Ghost Writer and Escape Artist are two of my all time favorite records! Back in the day Garland played in the Hudson Valley all the time. A fantastic live performer and a really great guy to talk to. The last few times he played acoustic with a 2nd guitar player. Still real good but he was at his best with a full band. The Rumour backed him on Escape Artist and the tour that followed. Amazing shows!


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Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Opry

Dlew, I believe that Hank had actually got the boot from the Opry a few months before he died.

Couldn't be any good ending to the Hank Williams story. That man was never going to make it to the rockin chair.



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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Garland JeffREYS covers Dylan's "She Belongs To Me". He's one of the finest singers ever.......very sweet sliiiiide here too.
Out of all the musicians I've met.....There's Garland and then there's everyone else. :-D

Thanks to Louuuuu for turning me onto him.
Thanks to Garland's better half for sending the photo of Garland and Levon which I sent to this site.
Willie Nile (still plays with a Buffalo punk edge) has played with Garland on many occasions....Rick Danko connection.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve; JT

I suspect Hank would have had a similarish career trajectory to Johnny Cash: fairly strictly country - I suspect he wouldn't have done much about Rock and roll... would have stayed on the Opry... would have remained highly influential... just my opinion...


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: eye on your imperial

See [My link] for a collection of "beard" themed photographs . . . note #16 . . . .


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Posted by:

Steve

JT, I got out my Hank Williams collection yesterday and as I listened I wondered what direction Hank's career would have taken if he'd hung around for a few more decades.

He died just a short while before rock and roll got its feet firmly planted on the ground. He would have been in his mid 30's when Bob rolled into NY.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Field Commander Cohen

Yes Steve, Leonard for sure! Sorry I wasn't clear. I don't think any of these people are role models. What I meant to say (not well enough, I guess) is that Dylan (and Cohen and Costello and some others) eloquently share their feelings about where they are in their lives with us. Very unselfish to share very personal feelings and write of them. The best of them do that and Dylan keeps on keepin' on.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Field Commander Cohen

Yes Steve, absolutely Leonard. I didn't even think about role models. What I tried to say (probably not well enough) is that Dylan (and Cohen) sing their lives eloquently. As they run the course, we understand some of what they are feeling. Elvis Costello does the same. So do some others. Dylan and Cohen share their hearts and minds and that is indeed generous and welcomed.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Above Link - Larry Campbell and Bob Dylan.......Bob Dylan on Johnny Cash....."Johnny was and is the North Star; you could guide your ship by him -- the greatest of the greats then and now."


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: you can't give 'em away

Attention record collectors . . . .


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Posted by:

Steve

I'd add, Leonard, to the list of elder statesmen who can still do it and teach us about life as they live it. I don't know if I'd put, Dylan, on that list though. Dylan, as role model is a sketchy argument to make, but to each his own.

Maybe our house was different than most in suburbia but, Hank Williams, was my intro to top quality country music as a youngin, long before I knew Bob's music./n I knew the words to many of his songs by 7 or 8 years old. Then there's all those songs with "blues" in the title.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: The noble Wurlitzer Prize

"...[T]he young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat."

--from William Faulkner's Nobel Prize acceptance speech, delivered on December 10,1950 in Stockholm, Sweden.

"Forgetful heart
Like a walking shadow in my brain
All night long
I lay awake and listen to the sound of pain
The door has closed forevermore
If indeed there ever was a door."

--"Forgetful Heart" by Bob Dylan (from the album "Together Through Life")

"They oughtta give me the Wurlitzer Prize
For all the silver I let slide down the slot
Playin' those songs sung blue
That help me remember you
I don't want to get over you"

--"Wurlitzer Prize (I Don't Want To Get Over You)" by Chips Moman and Bobby Emmons, as performed by Waylon Jennings

(The Rudolph Wurlitzer Company is known for manufacturing fine jukeboxes, electric pianos & organs)

(Lincoln Wayne "Chips" Moman hails from LaGrange, Georgia)


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Posted by:

Pat B

A singer from Chicago named Crystal Bowersox is doing well on American idol. Usually this wouldn't mean much, but I really loved her when she was here and I'm very happy that now she's showing off for everyone. And for a Band connection, last night she did a great version of Saved. If you check her out on Youtube etc, you will find she is unlike anyone who has ever been on the show.


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Posted by:

Deb

JT -- Bob Dylan, Thelonious Monk, and John Coltrane are the other musicians who have received this award.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

I am not sure as to how the Nobel folks select award winners but I would imagine it would be for a body of work rather than individual songs.....that said and imagining that that was not the case.....and the panel was looking at single songs....as much as I love Visions of Johanna - I wouldn't think it would even be on a short list of 25 Dylan songs that would be considered...........Start with Blowin' in the Wind and go from there........I agree with just about everything else JT had to say.......Bravo on the radio show especially but it does get annoying how he goes out of this way to ignore the Band......


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Nobel prize and others

By the way, I'm happy that Hank Williams was acknowledged. However, when it is obvious that these awards are deserved in a person's lifetime, a celebration of the works in the form of these awards is the appropriate way to go. I hope this will happen with Bob Dylan.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Bob Dylan: Ahead of his time

Bob Dylan has always been 'ahead of his time'. In 1962, he brought the blues to those of use who hadn't been aware of what was happening around us (as did Richards and Jagger a year or two later and as did Levon and the Hawks did in small bars in Toronto in 63-64). In 1965 he tore down the boundaries. In 1965-66, he wrote some of the best poetry to music that this century has ever heard. He ispired the Beatles to reach for the sky. In 1967 he reminded us that what is called 'country' is worth the listen. In 1978-79 he reminded us of the power of gospel (I was taken aback for the first time but by 1980 I had gotten over it when I actually listened to the albums.) In the late 80s,after a slowdown, he was reborn with the Wilburys (others had been reborn before him but not to this extent). In the 90s he offered translations of blues artists that few had known (Mississippi Sheiks and others). In the past decade, he has has shown us (as only a few, like John Lee Hooker) that an 'elder statesman' can still do it and teach us about life as they live it. The radio show has translated yet other forms of music to an audience who may never have appreciated the variety of forms that entertain. Ahead of his time, for sure. "Visions of Johanna" and a few others are Nobel-Prize worthy. Levon and the Hawks transformation to the Band was a Dylan-inspired event and for that I am truly grateful. I would have been happy with the bar band alone and love that Band. Its transformation was icing on the cake. I am sure I have not covered all the 'ahead of his time' events. "Every Grain of Sand' is superb. Finally, the evolution of an artist who walks comfortably beside his own shadow most of the time makes me glad that I am here to hear and see it.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Shakespeare Tragedy & Hank Williams To Cry

"For 'tis sport to have the phantom enginer
Hoist with his own petard."

(with apologies to Billy Shakespeare)

"All the way from the gates of Eden to the Battle of Armageddon
There's been troubles and tribulations, there'll be sorrow and despair"

--from "The Battle of Armageddon" by Hank Williams


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Hillbilly Shakespeare

Bap Kennedy entitled his Hank Williams tribute album this. I wasn't into Hank Williams till we argued about why not in this GB, and I started listening and got into him.

I must say I did try with Pete Seeger but greater exposure didn't help.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: April 14, 1865

"Young Abe Lincoln wasn't young no more,
Tired old man when he won the war,
And he dreamed at night of his death by the hand
Of a bitter world and a faceless man."

--from "John Wilkes Booth" by Mary Chapin Carpenter (written for Tony Rice and included on his great 1988 Rounder album "Native American", which opens with Gordon Lightfoot's "Shadows" and closes with Ian Tyson's "Summer Wages")


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Dunbarton Trailer Park Trash

Bill: Now that's what I call an "extendturd metaphor"! And I might add (and in fact am going to) that one has to be a real raconturd to be able to render a narrative in such a highly fecal fashion. Author ! Author! NB


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Posted by:

Kevin G

Location: NE Pa
Web: My link

Subject: Rick and Townes Van Zandt

Been awhile since I visited here but I found this photo on the net and thought I'd point it out. Rick, Townes Van Zandt and Harold Eggers (Townes road manager). Did not know that Rick and Townes had ever crossed paths...


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shakespeare

I enjoyed that one, David. Hoist with my own petard.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: the hillbilly Shakespeare

The Pulitzer Prizes has awarded:

"A posthumous special citation to Hank Williams for his craftsmanship as a songwriter who expressed universal feelings with poignant simplicity and played a pivotal role in transforming country music into a major musical and cultural force in American life."

Previous special citations have been awarded to Dylan, Coltrane, Monk, Ellington, Gershwin, Joplin, Rogers & Hammerstein. Also Schuman, Babbitt, Sessions on the 'serious-music' side.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: cretins

NB: Clearing off my desk, I found the following quote from an episode of "Trailer Park Boys", which I think ties in nicely with what you had to say the other day about our former schoolmates:

"He grew up as a little shit spark from the old shit flame and then he turned into a shit bonfire, and then driven by the winds of his monumental ignorance he turned into a raging shit firestorm. If I get to be married to Barb, I'll have total control of Sunnyvale, and then I can unleash a shitnami tidal wave that'll engulf Ricky and extinguish his shit flames forever."

Covers it nicely, eh?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Shakespeare's in the alley...

Mr. Shakespeare played bass on "Infidels".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Slow Train apology

Sorry, it’s just that Mark Knopfler is responsible for most of the memorable bits on Slow Train Coming, and is the best thing about the album.

I agree about Dylan’s 1975-1978 track record, and personally I’m also a big fan of At Budokan (with the Street Legal band) and the Blackbush bootleg with the Street Legal band, so add those two. Slow Train Coming is where it starts to come adrift, though there are several beautiful tracks, there’s some dubious stuff too. Saved is dire. Shot of Love is mainly dire. I liked Infidels, but coming up you have Knocked Out Loaded, Real Live, Down In The Groove, Dylan & The Dead. I also agree that the last few have been back to standard, but Dylan from Saved onwards was pretty poor much of the time.

Dylan is the Shakespeare of the 20th century, if you like, but Shakespeare wrote Henry VIII, Timon of Athens, Coriolanus. I’ve seen two on stage. Not good. So I never expect a genius to produce Hamlet or Visions of Johanna every time.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: green old world
Web: My link

Subject: mondegreens

Link is to 'Happy Enchilada Song' as in "it's a happy enchilada and you think you're gonna drown; that's the way that the world goes round".


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Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Andy Robinson

article


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Bill M......Bryan Ferry had a nice way with covers indeed....above link is to Jealous Guy....dig the crowd shots at Live Aid...an odd selection for that day but......


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Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: Much as I like Ferry's P4S, which is very much like what he does with the much older songs on his great "As Time Goes By" CD, I think I prefer what he did with "Hard Rain" on his first solo LP - he seemed to be saying, here's another fun song, nothing too serious, just like "It's My Party".

I just can't imagine a clapalong-poolparty version of "Long Black Veil", so have to think that Johnny Rivers didn't go that far in making it non-mournful.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

While this post dated Chronicles....the Bryan Ferry take on P4S is the best I have heard.......I thought he misfired on all but one other on Dylanesque but he nailed P4S........


Entered at Tue Apr 13 16:30:39 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Positively Johnny Rivers

Dylan, in his book "Chronicles Volume One", stated that Johnny Rivers' cover of "Positively 4th Street" was his favorite "of all the versions of my recorded songs." He went out of his way to further praise Mr. Rivers' version.

I don't think Johnny Rivers' cover of "Long Black Veil", produced by the late great Nick Venet, was all that bad. It was recorded early in his career, before he found his niche. His version definitely didn't take a dirge-like approach with the tempo.

It was "Infidels" that Mark Knopfler co-produced with Dylan. That album, of course, is most notable for the song that was left off -- "Blind Willie McTell". Among the many other outtakes from those sessions that have appeared on bootlegs, is a typically Dylan off-the-cuff take on "Green, Green Grass of Home".


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of brotherly love
Web: My link

Subject: Bad decisions?

Peter, are you saying Mark Knopfler produced Slow Train Coming? If so way wrong. Jerry Wexler produced Slow Train coming along with Barry Beckett.


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Posted by:

Bob F

Location: Upstate NY

Subject: Bad Decisions

From 1975-1979 Dylan released the following studio records; Blood on the Tracks, Basement Tapes, Desire, Street Legal and Slow Train. I think that's an amazing track record. Also, he would go on to self produce some of his greatest music, including the majestic Love and Theft. There is nobody in the history of popular music with a better track record then Dylan.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: another tribute to TLW on SW Ont

The club listings that arrived in my inbox have, for April 17, "Tribute to The Last Waltz with Lance Anderson, Chris Whiteley, Diana Braithwaite, Paul James and others at Edelweiss Tavern (600 Doon Village Rd, Kitchener), 519-748-0221, 8:30pm". Lance Anderson was the guy behind the "2B3: The Toronto Sessions" CD and has frequently collaborated with Garth and Maud, most notably the "Live at the Wolf" CD. Paul James is a BEG favourite - and also a Dylan chum.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Bad decisions?

Casablanca again … as well as declining to sign Dylan for a production deal, they went right out and signed Meadowlark Lemon of the Harlem Globetrotters as a singer instead.

But hang on, so you're in an office in 1979 and Bob is trying to sell you a deal. Slow Train Coming is around, very nice production by Mark Knopfler, a few excellent songs, but also some worrying ones. Then he shows you the cover art for the forthcoming "Saved" and mentions his recent personal conversations with Jesus.Then he asks you for half a million dollars or so to fund production of artists he will produce. How many of you would have reached for your chequebook?


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Top 50 Covers of God Dylan Songs

Unless I scrolled past it, I noticed The Mighty Zim's own favourite of all his covered songs didn't even make the top 50. And that song of course would be "________________" as performed by ____________.

If you're stumped, this performer also did a positively horrific cover of "Long Black Veil". Actually, even if you're NOT stumped, he STILL did a positively horrific cover of "Long Black Veil". NB


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Posted by:

Pat B

Dave H, that's from a 4 song EP of Renaldo and Clara songs that Columbia released.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: David P: My apologies

My post got mangled: you didn't post that one about record executives - I did! (I blame my laptop) And it was meant to end 'given it took discernment, business savvy, self-knowledge, et cetera ... it's more likely it was just a dumb business decision like the ones documented by Peter V earlier...


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Posted by:

Dave H

If I remember right, there's a live version of "Isis" from the Rolling Thunder Revue stop in Montreal that Dylan introduces by saying, "This is for Leonard, if he's still here..."


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Posted by:

David P...

Subject: The imp in me suggests that Columbia record executives...

Had a time machine in which they saw Hallelujah mangled by pathetic wannabe Australian Idol contestants, and tried to stop the album altogether. But given the history of the record industry, that would take sacrifice, self-knowledge and discernment...


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: What were they thinking?

Strangely, Columbia Records, Leonard Cohen's label since 1967, refused to release his album "Various Positions" in the U.S. in late 1984. This record, which included his original version of "Hallelujah", was eventually released here a few months later on the independent Passport Records label. Columbia later corrected this egregious mistake when they reissued Mr. Cohen's catalog on CD.


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Posted by:

Bill M

NB: Yes - "Poetry of Relevance" by Homer Hogan. It went over so well that he even did "Poetry of Relevance 2" and then "Listen" in '72. I don't recall any Band songs in the first or second, but "Life Is A Carnival" made the third, where it is grouped with three 'real' pomes, "There's this old vaudeville skit ..." by Doug Fetherling (that name again!), "Pop! Goes the Easel" by Phyllis Gotlieb and "Happy Birthday Kid" by Kenneth Yukich. Hawks link: Yukich's brother was actually signed to Ronnie Hawkins's Hawk Enterprises in the mid '60s, as a member of the Vendettas, who also included ex-Hawk / ex-Suede Scott Cushnie and two future members of Kensington Market. According to Paul Shaffer's autobiography, it was the Vendettas' tales of the girls they met in Toronto that caused Paul to decide that that's where he needed to go too.

I know "Poetry of Relevance", the one that our school used, included Bruce Cockburn's "Bird Without Wings" because I used it for a class project. The teacher was reasonably young so knew the name but pronounced it as read. I'm pretty sure there was a song from the American Metaphysical Circus LP there too, and for sure there was Montreal folkie Bruce Murdoch's "Half-Masted Schooner".

By way of clarification, while Dunbarton was indeed full of evil little pukes, not all of them had vocabularies -unless you count swear words, B&E and things like that.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Hallelujah

I'd forgotten k.d.lang's version. Also amazing. I'd also assume that the Dylan band were told they were doing Hallelujah at very short notice.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

The last sentence is key....no doubt this was one of Bob's last minute song ideas inspired by his being in the city....what's interesting is that he would have listenned to Various Positions at all ....perhaps he went back to it after all the hoopla around "I'm Your Man" which was hailed far and wide.....The best Hallelujah I have heard was kd Lang at the Canadian songwriters Hall of Fame ceremony - a few years back.....


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Posted by:

Carmen

Web: My link

Subject: PA

See the web page for top 50 Dylan covers. Not on the list but my favorite is Most Of The Time - Sophie Zelmani


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Hallelujah

Thanks for the Hallelujah link, He was definitely twenty years ahead in recognizing the song. It must have been Bob’s tribute to being in Montreal. I never knew he’d covered it. I think the vocal’s interesting, though interesting rather than good, but his band is excruciatingly insensitive to the song. I’ve seen Len do it three times live and Rufus Wainwright do it twice and Judy Collins once, and I love the John Cale and Jeff Buckley versions. Bob is around the TV talent contest level that dominated British TV for months. But they had a better backing than he did. I'm sure they had little or no rehearsal though.


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Posted by:

NB

Wasn't Poetry of Relevance actually the title of one of our anthologies Bill ? I seem to recall that anyone with any vocabulary at all made a point of adding the letters Ir to the front of the word relevance. Subversive little pukes that we were. NB


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan covers Leonard Cohen

Above link is to Bob Dylan doing L. Cohen's "Hallelujah" in 1988.....as usual Bob was 20 years ahead of his time......this is from a concert in Montreal


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Slave's Dream

I'm sorry, but I can't help but remember Rodney Dangerfield's line on the subject of poetry from the film "Back To School".

"Well, maybe you can help me straighten out my Longfellow."


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Attached is Ed Bruce doing Jesse Winchester.......


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: poetry of relevance

Those of the correct age range will likely recall, perhaps with a bit of prodding, those heady days of the late '60s and early '70s when our English teachers attempted to make EngLit more 'relevant' to us by having us study song lyrics as well as more traditional poetry. Today's Green Green posts remind me that in my class - maybe grade 9? - we 'studied' "The Green Green Grass Of Home" alongside "The Slave's Dream" by one of those famous American guys - was it Frost? The grade 8 example I recall was Donne's "No Man Is An Island" vs Simon's "I Am A Rock". All via purple mimeograph sheets, which I think Joan cringed about here a year or so ago.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Dead Man Waking

Both "Long Black Veil" and Curly Putnam's "Green, Green Grass of Home", albeit from slightly different perspectives, deal with the classic country theme of a man condemned to die. Merle Haggard, who had first-hand, rather than vicarious, knowledge of the prison experience, also touched on that theme with such songs as "Sing Me Back Home" and "Life In Prison".

Joan Baez, whose husband would later serve time for a different sort of crime, was one of the first to cover "Long Black Veil" after Lefty Frizzell on her concert tour in 1963. In 1969 she also covered "Green, Green Grass of Home" on "David's Album", dedicated to her husband at the time, David Harris, who was about to go to prison for resisting the military draft. Among the Nashville musicians who played on that album was former Hawk Fred Carter Jr.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Jesse Winchester's thoughts on covers..........

30DaysOut: What was it like working with Robbie Robertson and members of the Band on your first record?

JW: Fun, exciting, daunting, and a little annoying to have to take direction.

30DaysOut: What is it like when you hear one of your songs performed by other artists? What’s your favorite cover of one of your songs?

JW: It’s fun. It’s hard to separate my aesthetic judgment from my ego. Ed Bruce did a great version of “Evil Angel”.

30DaysOut: Have you ever written a song with a cover artist in mind, or written a song on assignment? How do you approach doing a cover yourself, as with “Stand By Me” on the new album?

JW: Yes, I’ve written specifically for other people. It’s not my favorite thing to do. I cover songs I wish I’d written myself.


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Bill M

Subject: before you go getting all warm and runny ...

David P: Let us not forget "2001 Polka" from that same album, which has Amos Garrett playing trombone, I believe. Geoff and Maria Muldaur's "Pottery Pie" LP has a special thanks to Mull - but without saying why. By the way, I see that the two drummers on that album are Rick Marcus and Billy Mundi - who were also the first and third drummers of the Great Speckled Bird, bracketing the tenure of ND Smart (who got to play on the album).


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Martin Was A Capricorn (Recording Artist)

Before achieving fame as a television actor on Mary Hartman and Fernwood 2-Night, Martin Mull recorded several albums for Phil Walden's Capricorn Records. His self-titled 1972 debut album featured guest appearances by Levon, Libby Titus and John Simon. His live follow-up record, "Martin Mull & His Fabulous Furniture In Your Living Room" in a personal favorite of mine. Mixing Mr. Mull's sharp wit with skilled back-up musicians, it features such tunes as "Dueling Tubas", "Ukelele Blues" and "Licks Off Of Records". Two other albums on Capricorn followed, "Normal" and "Days Of Wine and Neurosis".


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Unknown Legend

BEG: Excuse me....I guess it was "Out of the Blue" and not "Between Trains".......funny I had thought someone had pointed in that direction during one of our discussions on that song but I guess not......

A lovely cover many here might not know about but should check out.......Tab Benoit does a beautiful job on Neil Young's "Unknown Legend" on the cover album he did with Jimmy Thackery.....

My favourite version of "Twilight" - the only one I still listen to is the original demo as sung by Robbie Robertson......very affecting.....smoking does destroy the voice.....see Dylan, Petty, Robbie and many more..............

How someone does a "cover" may be the most revealing test of where someone is at........Cases in point.......Rod Stewart 1969 - 1974 - no took more care in song selection or arrangements ( Cut across Shorty, Only a Hobo, Angel, County Comforts, Reason to Believe, etc. ) .......fast forward 20 years to his atrocity of Dylan's "Sweetheart Like You" and you know he's lost the plot..........kd Lang does the impossible of taking songs that no one should be able to improve ( Crying ) and does..........Don Henley moved into my good books by nailing Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows".......U2 stayed where I had them by making a mess of an LC song on the same album.........


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: From The Ag. Desk

Bill, I'm 100% with you on that mulch comment. Mulch; a cover sometimes consisting of a mixture of bark and manure.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Green Green Grass of Home

Dunno. Tom Jones always had a first rate band, and sessions included Big Jim Sullivan on guitar and John Paul Jones on bass. Big Jim Sullivan’s website lists the ONE THOUSAND UK charting songs he played on but I couldn’t see it. So there’d be no shame in playing on it, and Rick Danko could have done a lovely tongue-in-cheek vocal version along the lines of Long Black Veil, possibly in small clubs utilising the folk club version which substitutes “touch” with “smoke” and goes on from there.


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Bill M

JT: I saw Hammond at Harbourfront too, inside in what I think they called the Ship's Something. He was fantastic, and I've never seen anyone work harder for his audience. Roy Buchanan was also indoors, but in a much bigger room. Linden was outside, as were the BoDeans. I also saw Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan at Harbourfront, but that was in a big tent. At the Bandshell I remember seeing Mike Quatro, Bob Seger (back in '72), Downchild, Mashmakhan, April Wine, Breathless with Nash the Slash, Luke and the Apostles ...

BEG: I also saw many shows at Ontario Place back when they had the revolving stage, though for some I'd stand outside until 8:00 or 9:00 when they dropped the cover charge altogether. I do remember paying for Bruce Cockburn, Murray McLauchlan, Martin Mull (during his "Fernwood Tonight" days), Powder Blues, Chilliwack, BS&T ...


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Behind the Veil

Danny Dill and Marijohn Wilkin were staff writers for Cedarwood Publishing in Nashville. Lefty Frizzell had turned to Cedarwood for material in 1959 when "Long Black Veil" was fortuitously presented to him. Cedarwood had been founded in the early '50s by Webb Pierce and Jim Denny. (In 1981 Richard Manuel played piano on Mr. Pierce & Willie Nelson's recording of "In the Jailhouse Now".)

While Ms. Wilkin co-authored many great songs, Mr. Dill is also best known for co-writing the classic "Detroit City (I Wanna Go Home)" with Mel Tillis. Before becoming a major star, Mr. Tillis was also a staff writer for Cedarwood.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: one man went to mow, went to mow the meadow ...

Peter V: Do you think Robbie would ever have cut "The Green Green Grass Of Home? Bound to be mulch, if he did.

BEG: I knew you'd see the correction, but I thought the mention of Mike Levine would've caused you to mention that hesagezulu went to school with Levine's Triumphant chum, Rick Emmett.

Speaking of Murray McLauchlan, I see that this summer's Mariposa Festival (the 50th) will feature Lightfoot, Ian Tyson, Sylvia Tyson and Murray.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Harbourfront in Toronto

Bill M: I noted that you commented upon shows that you saw at Harbourfront in the past. I have always liked that venue. It is small and intimate and reminds me of old shows at the Bandshell at the Ex in past days. Two shows which I saw which stand out were 1) John Hammond Jr. (I think during the Blues week shows that happened in Toronto and 2) Erik Truffaz, the superb jazz trumpeter (who I think channels Miles Davis).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dylan & Casablanca

I keep saying that Larry Harris’s “And Party Every Day: The Inside Story of Casablanca Records” is a great insight into the record business. Even if you loathe KISS and disco, the sheer weight of inside track info is fascinating. Such as that Cashbox charts were organized in return for advertising quite openly, Billboard was done according to what record companies told them they’d sold, and only Record World was regarded as “honest and relevant.” This might be why Billboard has never released those week by week US chart books which exist for the UK. Harris said the Billboard chart might as well have been compiled with a Ouija board prior to 1992.

But the snippets are the best bit. In 1979, Bob Dylan called Casablanca out of the blue and asked for a meeting. At that point they were advertising more heavily than any label. They met with him and he wanted to do a deal to produce other artists. Discussions went well until …

Larry Harris: “The moment stands as a shining example of what bad judgment and an inflated sense of self importance can lead to; it’s also a good demonstration of why you should never hold a business meeting when you’re stoned (I had a pretty good buzz going). I asked Dylan,

“Bob do you produce your own albums?”

“No, I don’t.”

“Then why the hell do you think we’d pay you to produce ours?”

End of meeting.


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dlew919

Subject: Dylan's Best Cover? and Joe J...

'Baby Let Me Follow You Down' from TLW...

Hard to disagree with you re: Tears of Rage, Joe...


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Pat B

Steve, I've always been able to tell the difference between on-stage patter and honest assessment.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

After I got home from Kensington Market today...a la Murray McLauchlan's nod.....imagezulu told me the good news of Mavis Staples performing at our Jazzzz Festival once again!
The bad news!!!!.....Betty Lavette will be performing the same night as Levon!!!! I'm not happy here.....I missed her for free last summer in NYC and now.....again!! Of course imagezulu is smiling here.....I've seen Levon many times but never Betty......my last day of work before summer holidays too......I know...I'm acting really spoiled here....I just can't believe the timing.....I'll snap out of it soon......I guess I'll just run over to Betty's show right after Levon's show......

Saw again tonight the repeat of Elvis Costello's show from last night where Mary Louise Parker interviews him. I just wanted to hear him speak about Rick Danko and see Rick's picture on the big screen for the second night and hear Elvis talk a bit about Chet Baker too.


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joe j

Location: New World Island

Subject: covers

What Dylan said about Jimi and 'Watchtower' he could've said about Richard and 'Tears Of Rage'.

I'm with Pete on this one. The Band's cover of 'Long Black Veil' is the standard

Enough with covers of Dylan songs. What's Dylan's best cover? How about 'Tomorrow Night' from 'Good As I Been'?


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Posted by:

Bob F

Location: Upstate New York

Subject: Dylan Covers

Mistake on my previous post. Although Dylan opened his portion of the 1975 Rolling Thunder Review show with 'When I Paint My Masterpiece' it is not on the 'Live 1975' release. It is easily available however and a wonderful version.


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Bob F

Location: Upstate New York

Subject: Dylan Covers

Dylan's version of 'When I Paint My Masterpiece' from 'Live 1975 The Rolling Thunder Review' is beyond tremendous as is his 'I Shall Be Released' on 'Greatest Hits Vol. 2'. The Band versions are also perfect. It really seems silly for anyone to compare these wonderful versions that have aged so well.


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Posted by:

Steve

You're a generous fellow, Dlew. I'm glad you didn't share a colon with us, though. Thanks for showing some restraint.

Peter, a true life, comma inspired mondegreen; comma comma comma comma comma chameleon, you come and go, you come and go


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Shout...

Of course, shout has nothing to do with yelling: the saut was a form of dance brought from Africa...

Here's a couple of spare commas ;) ,,,,, oh, and a semi-colon or two ;;;;;

BEG - thanks again for all the links.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: From The ,It Takes One To Know One, file

BEG, I believe it was Robbie who labeled Levon a great storyteller, so I'm assuming you'll take that as the god's honest truth. I do.


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Steve

Easy, Peter, no charge for the comma, it's on the house. Here's another freebie,. Here's another comma, put it in your pocket save it for a rainy day. Or use it in that last sentence, if need be. I gotta million more where that came from.

Pat if you want to hear more of Rick's favorite singers I recommend any of the live recordings of Rick out there where he hands out the accolade, favorite singer/great singer, to anyone singing with him and usually the crowd too, to boot. A gracious man, indeed.

Somewhere, Joe Stalin, is smiling. Putin, former(?) head of the KGB( formerly the NKVD) steps forward to personally lead the investigation of the plane crash that killed all those Polish dignitaries en route to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the murder of 22,000 Polish reserve officers by the NKVD, a forerunner of the KGB.

Can this be considered irony when it's so diabolical in nature? Does the devil do irony?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Larger photo of Levon. Yeah Pat. I was surprised when I read the interview and Levon spoke about the Basement Tapes and his own involvement....and being the best of friends with BOB Dylan. Anyway, he's one of our best storytellers, right Stevon Farm? Also, if you watch The Band without Levon when they received their rewards....Rick is always smiling at Robbie when he's singing....that's right.....smiling with affection. He can sing his songs anyway he wants to....Robbie should have quit smoking earlier.....His singing on "Out Of The Blue" was his best and then it just wasn't as strong....I still find it sexy....Anyway, Louuuu sure did alright with his kind of voice..... :-D


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: media watch

_Time_ magazine is still in our corner. I noticed this in the 12 April issue.

I remember playing _Luxury You Can Afford_ a lot back in the day -- but checking the track listing, I think it was for "Watching the River Flow." Which _was_ a good cover.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Steve, I'll take Rick's word on the matter.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: PatB

I always think of the fact that Levon came up to Woodstock after they already had a contract. Plus he was not out with Dylan and The Boys for most of that tour. Levon even says that Rick called him and said they were getting this crazy amount of money and they needed him. They moved out of Big Pink because after Levon arrived (and took Rick's room) they needed more space.


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Peter V

Steve, I'm deeply shocked. I put a comma after Robbie in that sentence? You must have searched it, so tell me the date. I wonder if Jan would go in and remove that comma. It's embarrassing.


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Mike Nomad

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Yes, Jersey Girl, it was in fact Lee J. Cobb. Thanks


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Steve

Pat, someday someone should tally up all Rick's favorite singers in a big book. You could probably limit the size of the book by listing people who were not his favorite singers. What a gracious guy he was.

You should have taken me up on the goalie trade offer. I could have helped swing it. Both teams would have a better chance in the post season.

I don't think so , Peter. It was such an astonishing proclamation it was burned into my retinas from the screen.

I can still see the words in dimly lit rooms. I'm going to squint now to bring it into focus and then type exactly what was on the screen.

Robbie, couldn't have made his living on the strength of his singing. There, it is, just as typed.


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Pat B

Rick said RR was one of his favorite singers.

Levon wasn't there when Dylan "pretty much took us down into the basement of Big Pink and showed us how it’s done." A simple fact. He didn't arrive until most of the BT were finished.


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Peter V

That's a long way out of context, Steve, and probably where I was saying no other Band member could have sung lead on Somewhere Down The Crazy River or Fallen Angel as well as Robbie did. I don't think he could have made a living as a solo singer churning out The Green Green Grass of Home in bars. That's fair.


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Steve

I can listen to Robbie, BEG, and sometimes he's pretty good. He just has to be quite selective in what he chooses to sing. As ,Peter, has mentioned, and I'd agree with wholeheartedly, Robbie couldn't make his living as a singer.

Levon, made essentially the same comment but with more flair; Robertson ain't a sainger.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sorry JQ! I only remember their fun name. LOL Our music was really punk and new wave as we were around the same age.....I guess a lot of us here come from the same time and place music wise....I remember someone asking me if I could sing or play a little piano at the time....Everyone was trying to get a band together.
Anything earlier was due to my older brother....Louuu, British rock, West Coast Rock like Quicksilver Messenger Service, CCR, musicians who played Woodstock, Motown. I think the only group my brother and I both were fans of from the late seventies would be Mink DeVille.....I discovered reggae on my own in the mid-seventies and Dylan and Van and The Band in late sixties to early seventies...It didn't hurt that we'd hear Joan Baez on the radio all the time keeping The Band alive.....so knock it off those of you who constantly bash her here....imagezulu is the same age as the one who still calls this place my crack house.....but we only have Van in common as well as Soul artists.

The Band member, Levon Helm, talks music with Russell Hall
Posted January 30, 2008 at 7:15 p.m.

RH: The common assumption is that Robbie Robertson brought in the songs, and then the rest of you helped arrange them.

LH: Well, that’s what Robbie would have you believe. He would have you believe that he just came in, and gave us our parts, and everybody just fell right into line and he brought home the bacon. But that ain’t quite true. Oftentimes we would grow the songs from scratch, there in the studio. Sometimes we just pulled them out of thin air. We had story songs, we had picture songs, and we had songs that emulated things we had heard.

RH: How much did all the work you did with Dylan affect you, from a songwriting standpoint?

LH: Gosh, how much do you think? (laughs) Bob pretty much took us down into the basement of Big Pink and showed us how it’s done. He’s one of the greatest friends I’ve ever had, and he certainly did as much for The Band, and myself, as anybody. During the controversy with his [going electric], everybody was telling him, “You don’t need these guys. Listen to the crowd. They don’t want them, either.” It would have been real easy for him to have said, “All these people are right. I’m gonna get rid of The Band.”

Bill M!!!! For you to post on a Sunday......It's ok to make a mistake.....I'm always impressed with self-corrections. I should have bought a ticket for you to see Levon with me as imagezulu won't go to hear a hillbilly! So weird as he really digs Donna The Buffalo from upstate NY but can't stand Levon's voice the way Stevon Farm can't stand Robbie's voice. ;-D Anyway, always great to "see" you.....


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo

BEG - I was a big fan; I attended their last show at the Hollywood Bowl, maybe it was the Greek, and it was ultra high-energy. I think it was mostly Danny Elffman's band & I can pick out his soundtrack music pretty easily when I hear it; I think that Tim Burton has used him frequently. A bar up here in Seattle always plays Goodbye, Goodbye as their last call song.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Covers

"Shout" is a long-legged one. Last week at a record fair a stall had a collection of Cameo-Parkway and Columbia (Roulette) records that were truly "mint." They'd ben stored in the original store paper bags over the sleeves and all appeared unplayed. Most of the very desirable stuff was out of my price range, but I did get a couple of Dovells singles and Joey Dee's "Shout". As covers go, Joey Dee in 1962 popularized The Isley Brothers Shout. Joey Dee was live and featured frenetic drumming. The Beatles then finished their "Ready Steady Go!" TV special with it, but never did a studio version. Lulu and The Luvers had the big hit, and she was then fifteen. Even in such stellar company Lulu's genuine "Shout!" voice wins the prize.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Wilford Brimley and Levon Helm in End of the Line. (Photo: MGM)
Levon Helm and Mary Steenburgen in End of the Line. (Photo: MGM)
Spectacle: Elvis Costello with Levon Helm. (Photo: Sundance Channel)


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

imagezulu shared this music site with me as he's always searching for obscure blues and jazz to preview before purchasing the original CDS. Of course you can check out any genre of music to either preview or buy tracks dirt cheap.

Last night on Elvis Costello's show (Canadians get this show after the fact.); he gave a great nod to Rick as he talked about wanting to sing like Rick Danko as Rick's huge photo was displayed. Another Band nod was when Jesse Winchester was on his show as well.....Elvis mentioned how Robbie produced his first album and that Levon performed on it. I think his mandolin playing was at it's best here.
The first time I saw Elvis Costello perform was at our Heat Wave show....."New Wave" performers like Elvis, B 52's, Pretenders, etc. After this show at Mosport...We had our Police Picnic in Oakville where I saw Iggy Pop amaze us with his super energetic performance. I only remember their name....Oingo Boingo here.....but not their music which hasn't lived on....


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: self-correction

It was Johnny Kidd and the Pirates, not Terry and the Pirates, who did the original version of "Shakin' All Over". Terry and the Pyrates were a Toronto band ca '69-'70 who recorded a 45 that was pretty much the last gasp of the Toronto sound. Bassisd Mike Levine went on to consirable success with Triumph.


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Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: The "The Band" Band

Just notice that The "The Band" Band is doing a show with Grateful Dead and Allman Bros Tribute Bands billed as a Watkins Glen Recreation this May. Interesting idea


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Posted by:

Peter V

k.d. lang was interviewed in The Times yesterday. She said that she had to be very strict with herself in order to preserve her voice, but when she got too old she was going to drink, and smoke pot. Then she might eat meat, and even sleep with a man.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: On the covers

My nomination for especially misguided cover was Joe Cocker's I Heard It Through the Grapevine. Rick merely played bass, admittedly not as well as James Jamerson on the original, but it’s the vocals and concept that make it (and the whole Luxury You Can Afford album) dire.

I think The Band’s When I Paint My Masterpiece isn’t just better than Dylan’s, it’s vastly superior. Ditto I Shall Be Released and Tears of Rage.

I have about six versions of Long Black Veil, and I’d put the Big Pink easily first, better than Lefty Frizell, Johnny Cash, Mick Jagger & The Chieftains, 80s Band or solo Rick. And better than the answer disc “My Long Black Veil” by Marijohn Wilkin, who co-wrote it.

k.d.lang’s Hymns of the 49th Parallel has a good line in cover versions, as does k.d. lang generally … she did a good cover of “The Joker” on the cigarettes album which while not quite up to Steve Miller, is still worth having. Her Crying live solo was up to Roy Orbison (who she'd duetted with on the same song) and her version of What's New Pussycat? had the audience in stitches.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve Martin: The Crow

I don't think any of the Band members have done a bad cover (but I haven't heard them all...)

Meanwhile, got a copy of Steve Martin's, The Crow: Songs for the 5 String Banjo. It is terrific - won a Grammy, apparently , for best Bluegrass album. It's not the BEST bluegrass album you'll ever hear, but it's pretty damn good. Has anyone else heard it?



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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Pays Nordiques

Subject: Pourqui je't aime des Quebecoises

Mon professeuer in geographique was interet in les politiques in les 60s. He partir the classes avec un monologue of Quebec... or Guiibeic. He said we were lethargicues with relachement.


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Posted by:

Steve

NB, since Peter opened up the sub category of, worst covers by a Band member, with the nomination of Rick and you've allowed covers of songs written by the performer to be included we have to consider Robbie's infamous "cover" of, The Weight, into the running. That one's so criminal it could be considered for indictment under the "cover charge" law.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Planet Waves

One of the few Band songs I still listen to is "Nobody 'Cept You". It can be found in "BOB DYLAN, BOOTLEG SERIES VOLUME 1-3, [RARE AND UNRELEASED] 1961-1991". The sleeve notes say that it was recorded for "Planet Waves" but replaced by another. Furthermore it has "Robbie Robertson's distinctive guitar to kick the song into drive". - For me it is like stalks of German asparagus boiled in light salted water and enjoyed with a bottle (or two) of Riesling. Sauvignon Blanc will do as well. Hmmmm...almost.


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Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: Yma, Ava, Wolfgang

No, Mike, I think it was Lee J. Cobb. Great video, Joan. I'd never seen it before, but it was clearly the inspiration for Dave Letterman's "Uma, Oprah" schtick at the Oscars.


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Posted by:

NB

Web: My link

Subject: BONK/ Westcoaster/ Kristie: Levon In Vanouver !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It now appears Levon has a Vancouver date on his tour after all, though it still hasn't been mentioned at his website. It's August 10. Here's the ticket info through Livenation. (Scroll down below Levon's photo). We saw SHOWBOAT there years ago and it's an impressive venue. Is that close enough for you now Norm ? Also Lileth Fair has Vancouver as one of its thirty tour stops. July 1st, at Pitt Meadows Airport. NB.

PS I'm surprised nobody mentioned what terrific covers Paul McCartney performs in concert of all those early Beatles songs. Oh well, I'll try to fill in these little holes in your musical knowledge wherever I can.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Yma, Ava . . .

Thanks, Joan. That is one of my favorite Bancroft scenes, on par with some of Nichols & May schtick from the past, like "My son, the Nurse." (Hey, wasn't that the late Raymond Burr playing Dr. Wolfgang?)


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: covers

Buckwheat Zydeco's 12 minute version of Hey Joe.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Long Black Viel as interpreted by the Dave Matthews Band is pretty awesome.


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Posted by:

Claire

Subject: Anne Bancroft

Joan, yes. Incredibly brilliant. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Anne Bancroft

Joan thanks, fantastic!


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Anne Bancroft and Yma Sumac

Very funny. Hope you enjoy it.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Claire/ Minnie Riperton

Not only is Maya Rudolph her daughter, but at about 3:14 on the link you posted she says "Maya,Maya.

For the woman with the highest voice I think Yma Sumac hold that title. There is a very funny video with Anne Bancroft about Miss Sumac. I'll try to find it.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: And I still like to listen to

Cream's take (live & studio) of Skip James' I'm So Glad at a very high volume.


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: The Band & covers

I thought virtually the whole lot they did on Moondog Matinee were top-notch

But I always thought that Long Black Veil from MFBP was a lousy cover. I only knew the Lefty Frizzell and that was always my favorite.. until I heard Rick's live version where he adds in JC's Train of Love. That album's fidelity is rough but I still like some of it.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Covers...and "The Caves of Jericho"

I'd say "When I Paint My Masterpiece" and "Atlantic City" by The Band both surpass the originals by Mr. Dylan and Mr. Springsteen, and that's saying a lot.

Jon Carroll, a much underappreciated musician from here in Old Virginny, played a hometown gig this week and included in his setlist a Levon Helm-John Simon collaboration, "The Caves of Jericho" as a tribute to the latest batch of dead miners in West Virginia. It was a thoughtful choice of material in a noisy wine bar crowd, unfortunately. Maybe his best-known collaborator, Mary Chapin Carpenter, will let him pull out the song when Mr. Carroll backs her during her comeback tour this summer (Ms. Carpenter had a heart ailment which kept her from touring for years, but now she's back).


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Posted by:

JQ

Subject: Covers that get steady play here

John Martyn's of Bob's Don't Think Twice

Willie Nelson's of Townes' Marie and John Prine's of his Loretta

Jim & Jesse McReynolds' of John Prine's Paradise

Most recently, Peter Gabriel's of Bon Iver's Flume & of Stephin Merritt's The Book Of Love, both from his new record: Scratch My Back



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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: between the sheets

alex harvey doin "goodnight irene" is abit of all right


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: dlew919

Have to agree with you about Hendrix and 'All along the Watchtower' I think one of the most traumatic times of my life was when I heard Dylan sing it and realized that he wrote it. I've never liked his singing and thought he sucked on guitar. But, the greatest wordsmith of all times.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: thank you everyone

hi fine GB folks...

it's been a busy week and i've been away from the GB but appreciate your making time for the article and your comments...will try to respond to all soon...

Thanx

RP


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Posted by:

Claire

Thanks for remembering, brown eyed girl. I'd quote another line of Robbie's about the good ol' days if it weren't so overused. It certainly does fit, though, doesn't it?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Claire....Sorry, I forgot to say that Mariah Carey would be the closest to Minnie Ripperton?

Here you go ray and anyone else who might be interested.
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2009
Disability as Diversity: A Thematic Approach
Introductory Bio


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Robbie and Fogerty....just like in their videos....1993

I think one of Robbie's best vocal is on "Out Of The Blue"....also really like Joe Cocker's cover as well.

Kevin J....Joe covers Robbie's "Between Trains"?

Hi Claire....."You still out there?" It was sooo funny that time when I'd find some links and you'd shrink them for me....Hmmm....There was something else.....All I can remember is that we'd laugh our heads off in here.

Another great cover is Aaron Neville singing Sam Cookes "A Change Is Gonna Come".....After everything he went through in his life....Yes....He makes you believe that things will change. Sorry Dankettes.....I like Aaron's cover better than Rick's on this one.

If you like to get your reggae groove on.........Steel Pulse is your complement to Van's "Brown Eyed Girl".

Bill M.....and all those shows that were at Ontario Place for 7.00!!!.....Roy Orbison, Robert Palmer, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Jennifer Warren, and yeah.....Dan Hill.....Southside Johnny and The Asbury Jukes....Did ya see that Bumbles?! For the second time I didn't say Asbury Dukes by mistake. He would love to correct others.....At least I know how to spell Garland's last name properly. lol


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Posted by:

David P

You're right Bill, although it was a vanguard album, it was on the Elektra label.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: ahem ...

Vanguard?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Tom Rush

Bill M: Tom Rush's 1968 Vanguard album "The Circle Game" was a preview of things to come from several singer-songwriters who were not well known at the time, but would soon become stars. In addition to the title cut, it also included two other covers of Joni Mitchell songs, "Tin Angel" and "Urge For Going". There were also two songs from James Taylor, "Something In The Way She Moves" and "Sunshine, Sunshine", along with Jackson Browne's "Shadow Dream Song". Mr. Rush's versions of all of these songs were excellent, as were his originals, "Rockport Sunday" and "No Regrets".

The album's cover photo of Mr. Rush and his girlfriend was taken by someone else who would also soon achieve fame, Linda Eastman.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Claire: Good of you to chime in with that tidbit, which is news to me. It's Minnie's vocal swoops on the how-does-it-feels in Rotary Connection's LARS that give me the shivers. (Hey, now I get it!)


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Posted by:

Claire

Web: My link

Subject: Minnie Riperton

I wonder how many know that Minnie Riperton was the mother of SNL's Maya Rudolph. I've always been astonished by her vocal range. Is there any singer who could hit notes higher than she?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Jeez, based on our usual carryings-on, the casual visitor would never guess that we have so many academics here at the GB. Congratulations on the citation, Peter V.

sadavid: Right you are. Chad et al did a much better job than Terry and the Pirates, but were eclipsed by Thee 'oo. If you have Neil Young's "Broken Arrow" CD, you'll hear Neil himself recreating Bob Ashley's familiar ching-ching-ching-ching piano sound from the Expressions/Guess Who version deep in the mix on the opening cut, "Big Time".


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Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

I talked to the editor of this magazine yesterday and his new issue covers Stoneman's Raid. He told me he referenced Peter V's fine article on TNTDODD because the article is called "Driving Dixie Down". He's a big fan of the boys.

Bill M, you're quite correct in that Rotary Connection was a Chicago group (Minnie Ripperton was one of the singers) but they definitely had some South Siders in the band who would have taken exception to the Wrigley reference. Minnie was a north sider.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: who guess

"Shakin' All Over" - I'm guessing Chad Allen et al. did it better than whoever did it first. But I think I think The Who did it even better . . . far too long since I've listened to _Live at Leeds_ . . . .


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Best Cover ?: Jake Trout and the Flounders, "I LOVE LA" (sort of)

Hands down the best cover, THIS WEEK ! Ya, they're a real group - made up of Peter Jacobsen and some other PGA pros. I've heard worse. NB


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Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Of the Harbourfront concerts you mentioned, the only one I was at was the BoDeans - with opening acts Gary Fjellgard (a chum of Westcoaster's I believe) and Prairie Oyster. I've gone to a bunch of other shows there, though - both indoors and out - including Roy Buchanan one time, Colin Linden with Richard Bell in a show Colin dedicated to the recently departed Rick Danko another time. The headliner for the latter was a brilliant Malian named Boubacar Troare, who is well worth checking out - most easily via his track on the great Putumayo comp titled "From Mali to Memphis".

Certain singers can be relied on for great covers: Tom Rush ("Gnostic Serenade", "Old Man's Song", "Child's Song", "Driving Wheel", "Sweet Baby James"); Tim Rose ("Morning Dew", "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away") ... Speaking of that last song, I always kinda preferred the Silkie's version to the Beatles'. And I prefer the Five Man Electrical Band's "You're Going To Lose That Girl"). And Rotary Connection's near-medley of "Lady Jane" and "Like A Rolling Stone" does the impossible and knocks both originals out of the park (Wrigley Field, I believe it was, eh Pat B?). I must note that our guys helped Dylan reclaim the song with the legit live version.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

One last one that I doubt few will remember but I just loved.......the very sultry Sophie B Hawkins did a cover of Dylan's "I Want You" on her debut album........Band connections abound.........name & being on the same stage at Bob's 30th bash........The link above is to her song "Damn I wish I was your Lover" - a guilty pleasure from that era that holds up very well.........just love her look.....


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Posted by:

David P

In terms of official release date, Manfred Mann's version of "Quinn the Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn)" also preceeded Dylan's live (Isle of Wight) version, recorded with The Band and included on "Self Portrait".


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Random good covers

We had the I Shall Be Released / When I Paint My Masterpiece discussion before. I think of them as songs Dylan wrote and The Band recorded first.

The Dillards I’ve Just Seen A Face is a good Beatles cover.

Suspicious Minds by Dee Dee Warwick is better than Elvis for me.

Wishin’ and Hopin’ by Ani Di Franco beats tough competition.

Willin’ by Seatrain is one I like very much. I prefer Little Feat (version 2) but nevertheless the high-speed Seatrain version is worthwhile.

Sexual Healing by Kate Bush. I think that’s totally gender-specific because I’m sure nothing by Marvin Gaye was ever bettered by anyone else (I include Don’t Do It), but Marvin crooning about Sexual Healing fails to get to me in quite the way Kate Bush does.

Dear Prudence instrumentally by Gabor Szabo.

Crimson & Clover by Dolly Parton. I mentioned this the last dozen times we did cover versions.

If You Gotta Go by Manfred Mann AND Si Tu Dois Partir by Fairport Convention both beat Dylan.


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Posted by:

Joan

Web: My link

Subject: Between Trains

I like this version of Robbie's Between Trains by Graziano Romani.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

...My previous post should read Buddy and Julie Miller's cover of Richard Thompson's "KEEP YOUR DISTANCE".

I saw them with Crabgrass a couple of times in NYC and we were lucky that my fave of theirs was performed. Also, many thanks to Crabby over the years who kept bugging me about how good Richard Thompson is....Witt also loved his work but I was not aware of his music......WOW........WOW....He's so fine! He can really play guitar and like Robbie he oozes charisma....and he writes his own music! Need I say more? I've always been drawn to artists who are foremost writers........


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Hi ray p. Some great articles I purused on the internet re Disabilities as Diversity.

Shirley Caesar is famous.....especially in the Gospel world as is Yolanda Adams. I discovered both of these great singers by watching shows like The Kennedy Centre Honours BoB Dylan (Shirley Caesar)....again.....BOB did not stand up for Springsteen's performance or anyone else's that night honouring his music.....but he did....for Shirley Caesar. I also became aware of Yolanda Adams because of the BET Award Shows. The Staple Singers were my only reference for Gospel music around the time I discovered The Band but not because of The Band.....whenever "I'll Take You There" came out. Bill M and Kevin J....Did you also have the immense pleasure to experience The Staple Singers with their Pops? It was at Toronto's Harbourfront when great acts played for free....Some others who performed here were The Bodeans, Judy Mowat of BOB Marley's I Three's, Kate and Anna McGarrigle

Another great cover for me.....Richard Thompson's cover by Julie and Buddy Miller...."Keep Your Distance".

Since we couldn't agree on this week's song selection I didn't play any song on the PA. Next week I'll play something from Robbie's solo work instead. ;-D


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Posted by:

Pat B

Annie Lennox doing Marley's Wait In Vain.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Covers & Covers of Covers from the Public Domain

For me, it's hard to beat Jeff Beck's instrumental version of "A Day In The Life". Ditto for Roy Buchanan's cover of "Sweet Dreams".

Then there's The Band's fine covers of "I Shall Be Released", "Don't Do It", "When I Paint My Masterpiece" and "Atlantic City".

My favorite version of Brecht/Weill's "Alabama Song" was Dave Van Ronk's (from his "No Dirty Names" LP). And of course, when the Animals recorded "House of the Rising Son", they "borrowed" from Dylan's version, which he copied from Mr. Van Ronk.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Sadavid........Beautiful.......a great way to end the week.......a really interesting area you have touched on .....recall a few years ago when someone posted Robbie with Dylan in 1966 and he ( Robbie ) was already playing around on stage with what would become "The Weight"


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: spookocious

Kevin J: it might be too much to say that Peter Green covered his own tune, but I think "The Supernatural" was kind of a prototype "Black Magic Woman." At least, it would make a great extended intro to same . . . .


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Joe Cocker

… true of The Letter, Bathroom Window etc, but the version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" (with Rick Danko) must be an all-time low in covers.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: Good one and possibly the last decent thing RS has done......also a superb video for Broken Arrow... Funny as great as Joe Cocker is in the area of covers....he was not able to elevate Robbie's 'Between Trains"


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Serving Only The GB

Bill, good to have you on board with the cover of, Gotta Serve Somebody. While I think it's a great version, unlike you, I'm not full of awe. The religiosity alone prevents that.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Another glorious example of an extreme makeover was what the Arbors' did with "The Letter", though I suspect the few will recall it. Not nearly so extreme, but I think an improvement from an unexpected source, was Rod Stewart's "Broken Arrow".


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Great Cover Songs.........

A favourite cover that I didn't know was a cover until years later......"This Flight Tonight" Nazareth took a Joni Mitchell song and really did wonders with it........I remember hearing the magnificent "Blue" years later and thinking "Wow...I have heard this song before" but not quite believing it was the same tune.........Santana also did great things with "Black Magic Women"........the great Johnny Cash took Nine Inch Nail's "Hurt" to the mountain top and also did hands down the best music video ever with the song.....no artist has ever gone out with such dignity and boldness.......


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Posted by:

Kevin J

For bob w and all other fans.......just rec'd the latest Guitar Player in the mail - Jeff Beck on the cover and it includes an excellent feature and interview.....recommended.......also a Band connection as there is a feature on Mike Bloomfield............


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronto

Peter V / Steve: Awful version of an awful song, I'd say. I take it she's famous?

Kevin J: Because you started off by pointing out that Matlock was responsible for the music, I thought you were going to say that that's why he was given the hoof. But I guess he wasn't quite down to scratch more generally. Glad you liked the Rick James story. I imagine he was pretty clean in Canada because he would always have been vulnerable to deportation. Obviously a different story back in the US. When I met him he'd released four or five failed 45s during his second sojourn in the T-dot, and he played me an acetate of a brand new one that he told me he was sure it was going to do great things for him. I didn't tell him, but I thought it was horrible funk shit. A few months later a friend and I went on a record-finding trip to Buffalo and stopped at a record shop that displayed the local Funky 40 chart in the window. There near the top was Rick's 'funk shit' record, "Get Up And Dance", which really did do it for him: got him back on Motown, most importantly. Next thing you know he's replaced Guy Lombardo on the annual Auld Lang Syne show on New Year's Eve. Says a lot about my ability to pick winners, eh?

NB: Don't remember Heb Darkness other than as a name but I can picture someone who I think was a younger brother.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: I. May

Peter: Curiously enough or perhaps coincidentally enough, I later noticed on Amazon that those who purchased "Love Tattoo" by Imelda May also bought "Live In London" by our man Leonard Cohen. I'll have more to say on her later as I'm currently exploring her earlier album, or at least the remixed version, "Not Turning Back". NB


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Best cover version?

'All Along the Watchtower' by Jimi Hendrix - as Dylan said - 'It's Jimi's song: I only wrote it'...



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Posted by:

Steve

True, Peter, but she's not responsible for the lyrics, just the performance which I enjoyed in spite of the religious fervour. I think she's a minister/preacher.

I never steal BOB's lunch money. He pays me to protect him from the other kids on the bus. It's either that or he has to sit with the teacher.

Don't tell, BOB, but the teacher also pays me to sit with him. She calls it babysitting ( keep him out of my hair) money. You've been reading his posts for years, I'm sure I don't have to explain.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Ascot and Asshat. They'll be here all week.

Try the veal.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bonk.....Ooops! Of course I know the song.....but not the performer. I'm only aware of Richard Farina as I had his great novel _Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up to Me_ at one time.

Bob Dylan and The Band by Amalie R Rothschild.
I contacted this photographer to ask if we could have her other photos of Dylan and The Band B&W and in color, when they played Fillmore East on May 9, 1969 and also with Bob Dylan on January 29 and 31, 1974.
I sent her the link to this site but haven't heard back yet. Here's hoping.....


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I previously posted Shirley Caesar at The Kennedy Centre singing "Gotta Serve Somebody" in honour of BoB Dylan. She was the only performer who Bob stood up for that night. It is worth seeing over and over.

Hi Bonk. Sorry, I don't know the song or performer........ ;-(


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shirley Caesar

Have so, Steve. When I looked it up on iTunes I saw that it was on Masked and Anonymous which I have, and it hadn't made an impression. She appears to be a lady of firm religious views. She's got a good little band behind her, and it's indeed better than Bob's version, but the lyrics are awful.

But pulling out the CD reminded me of Los Lobos' rollicking version of On A Night Like This and Sophia Zelmani's whispered Most of The Time and both got added to my long, long "Dylan Covers" iTunes Playlist.

Enjoy the outing, but no teasing in the back row of the bus. The guys whose lunch box money gets stolen end up bitter and spend their days abusing strangers on the internet!


Entered at Fri Apr 9 12:17:07 CEST 2010 from 21cust41.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.41)

Posted by:

Steve

Peter, that's because you haven't heard Shirley Cesaer's cover of Gotta Serve Somebody.

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Posted by:

Steve

BOB, where we going? I promise not to take your lunch money this time.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Covers

Covers that improve on the original? The Beatles on Twist & Shout heads any list. But then try Bitsy McLean on It Keeps Raining. Excellent reggaefied cover of Fats Domino from the hundreds of reggaefied covers that exist. I prefer it to the original … but listen to the rhythms on the original. It’s not that far away.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: BEG

I think my favorite cover is Sandy Farina singing Strawberry Fields Forever.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: John Hammond with Tom Waits

Charlie Y. : Posted this earlier, but in case you missed it. NB


Entered at Fri Apr 9 02:02:13 CEST 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279400253.dsl.bell.ca (76.66.25.61)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Here it is....Acadian Driftwood with Celine and Zachary Richard. I paid for my download but here it's free. Everytime I'd hear this cover on my Nano; I could envision the males in my class singing Zachary's parts and the females singing Celine's parts and then when she says....."Let's Go!".......I join them in the cool parts.......I loooooove this cover Robbieeeeee!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Greatest" Cover Songs

I would also add "My Girl" by Dennis Brown

I know some of you will ha, ha, ha here.....But I really dig hearing a Quebecoise and an Acadian sing "Acadian Driftwood".....Celine Dion (first time ever for me) and Zachary Richard.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

March 2010 photos of Robbie and Lydia Andich..Still hangin' with another Canadian.

Thanks Jan H for including some of my links on your News and Updates. Uhhhh.....ya forgot to give credit for a couple....Don't let Levon get wind of that! ;-D

April 8...."Road Trip: Woodstock & Levon Helm's Midnight Ramble" -- blog entry from doryadams.com.

March 20...."Levon Helm to be honored by Fordham University radio station".

Thank you.....You're welcome.


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Posted by:

bob w.

NB, sound advice. I've come to realize that said poster child is actually capable of missing the point being made concerning his missing the point to begin with. That takes some serious doing.

Steve, take a day off and enjoy the fifth grade class trip.


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Posted by:

Steve

OK BOB, I must confess I took advantage of your overreaction to my first post of the day, I should explain.

IN the post I mentioned that Glacier National Park was down to 25 of it original 150 Glaciers that gave the park its name. At no point in the post did I blame AMERICANS for this, but you leaped to that conclusion and responded with your shitty post about NB's country.

I just assumed that everyone( I guess I shouldn't have) understands that once CO2 goes up into our atmosphere it mixes with all the other CO2 up there. It's not like US CO2 alone is responsible for melting Glacier Park's glaciers. Actually the rotters in Rotterdam seem to be more responsible than most. If you're concerned about the rest of your glaciers take it up with them.

I made the post because I heard yesterday that 2 more glaciers in the park were officially removed from the list of park glaciers. Ils n'existent plus.

Sorry, I can't resist when you come flailing wildly at me. I should have just had you reread the post.

But, I think a good time was had by all, anyway.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Just heard on Jazz FM of all places that Malcolm McLaren has died. The first sentence was a reference to God Save the Queen by Mr. Rotten and the boys.........


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, you'd have to think the Dutch would be particularly competent at dealing in both kilos and pounds, converting one to the other and even breaking those down into their smaller retail units.

NB, what our southern boys don't realize is that we're a distinct Nation here in, Quebec. Not in any way to be confused with those other, oh so provincial, provinces.

NB,I'll leave you to deal with BOB and those shitty accusations he's making about your country. Just don't get too close to him or you're bound to get some on you.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: ERR or ! ERR or !

Should've have read "whether Tiger Wood hit a TREE or not on his opening drive". NB


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Posted by:

Charlie Y.

Subject: "The Weight" from TLW

I just watched the Blu-Ray version of "The Weight" from LAST WALTZ and it was wonderful. The Staples added so much to the spirit of the song and I noticed a moment at the end when Mavis whispers "beautiful" that I had never noticed before. She was so right. I guess some people might find the polished studio performance a little too slick, but it gives the song the gravitas it deserves. Rick's vocal stands out for pure passion in a timeless movie moment, thought. That one certainly stands the test of time.

Last night I caught a wonderful twin bill pairing an old friend of The Band, John Hammond, with a wonderful young singer named Ruthie Foster (much in the vein of Mavis Staples). Though nearly 70, Mr. Hammond began writing songs for the first time recently and his efforts are impressive. He always greets fan after his gigs, and I told him to keep up the writing and he'll soon have a bigger body of work than Robert Johnson. He laughed.


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Bill: Whoa up there ! Don't be piling on the homework. You know full well this is Masters week! I heard it through the grape viney that some of those daft pricks over in Britain, present company excluded of course, were actually placing wagers whether Tiger Wood hit a try or not on his opening drive. I think the English let you bet on just about anything, and likewise let you insure just about anything (like whether the tip of your pee-pee will succumb to frostbite during your ascent of Everest, that kind of thing). Besides, you know full well I still have unfinished homework from Dunbarton. My Wasaga bro discovered D*b H*rkne*s now lives in Muskoka and is part of their artists' studio tour each fall. Ring a bell ?

Bob: Sorry, but I beat you to the punch. I posted that whole Victoria BC sewage story here sometime ago, also in an attempt to derail Irksome Stevie while on one of his "let's rankle the Yank GBers" campaigns. When he gets like that, and this might be of use to Lars and David too, just think of him as "Quebec's Poster Child For Retro-Active Abortion ". It works wonders for me! NB


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Glen Matlock - bass player before Syd - wrote the Sex Pistols songs ( the music....with words from JR ) ....he was tossed from the band for two main reasons - he washed and he publically admitted to loving Paul McCartney........3 Pistols songs I still listen to....Bodies......Pretty Vacant......and God Save the Queen.........."Bodies" is about abortion and is perfect punk in that it is simple, poorly written but gets the point across like no discussion on PBS ever could.........

"She was a girl from Birmingham

She just had an abortion

She was case of insanity

Her name was Pauline, she lived in a tree"

First Cut is the Deepest............A rare case where every version I have heard ( save Sheryl Crowe's ) beats the original Cat Stevens.......

Bill M: Great story..........quite an accomplishment to have escaped that apartment with tea having been the only stimulant in your system.....


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: "The place of the rocking chair in North American popular music"

Ray P: The first Curtis Mayfield thing I heard was "Choice Of Colours" and it was some years before I even began to learn more of his past music - likely around the time of "Superfly" and "Freddy's Dead", which were at the time enough to make me stop paying attention until I started to read Robbie Robertson citing him as an influence. (I still don't know in what way, however.) Reading your interesting article, I'm sure I'm not the only one reminded of our guys' "Rockin' Chair" when scanning the lyrics of "Here But I'm Gone" - the chair, the looking back at life, the unwillingness to die (meaning an awareness of its approach).


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Downwind

Subject: Global Warming

Hey Steve, you sound like you're having a pretty good day, up until now. What happened? You usually are walking around with your tail between your legs.

Now, as I understand it, you are pointing fingers at the US for global warming...yet you are probably the biggest polluter of Mother Earth in this entire GB. Remember, your dirty cattle are spewing more waste than the coal industry; more toxic methane gas than all of the cars, trucks, trains and airplanes combined. To put it politely, you are a pimple on the ass of society, yet no one shuts you down because the meat industry has their influence in both American & Canadian governments. And don't think we can't live without your cancer-causing meat; the world would be better off getting protein from soybean crops...and you know it.

Say hello to the folks for me (except for the white supremists in your family). All the best to Marge.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: I'm with you re Rod vs the Sex Pistols - except for "Do You Think I'm Sexy" and "Tonight's The Night" (not the Neil Young song). There I'd take Mr Rotten et al. But, sticking with Rotten, I'd take PIL's "Public Image" over most Rod, I think. (One reason I react badly to "Tonight's The Night" is that while visiting Rick James for tea and a chat in his nice apartment, his girlfriend called and they had a protracted phone fight while I was left listening to that song over and over again. When he finally got off the phone he offered me some not especially helpful advice: "Don't ever fall in love." Later I learned that what I'd been in was HER nice apartment, which he'd chased her from some weeks before; she returned the favour some weeks later, with the assistance of armed and ready police officers.)


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Posted by:

Peter V

I reminded myself and ordered "Not To Be Broadcast: 75 Records The BBC Banned" Volume 1 (3 CD set), and also Volume 2 which is 2 CDs not three (they're all budget priced). I noticed that one banned was "Battle of New Orleans". I'm trying to think why that might have been.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Planet Waves" and The Bad Livers

PSB: I tracked down that sealed "Planet Waves" in my basement and it is an Asylum copy but actually came from a Radio Shack store (!?!) and the price sticker says 25 cents. It was my Sebastian Cabot album in which the actor recited early Dylan lyics that cost the huge sum of 44 cents at Harmony Hut. I'll bet both discs could command up to a dollar now in the right flea market.

Young Hippie: America is one of two countries in the world where phamaceuticals are advertised on television (CONSTANTLY). As Aldous Huxley predicted in "Brave New World," we live in a brave new homogenized culture which tells us we are supposed to be free from pain, never depressed or anxious. There is an answer for any problem inside a pill bottle or now, a "medicinal" herb shop. It's W.S. Walcott's Medicine Show all over again, but the profits are much higher. And side effects are just fine print.

I recently watched highlights of many of the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame concerts with my best pal since high school. We played a game naming all the dead musicians and/or the ones with liver transplants. We saw John Phillips, David Crosby, Phil Lesh and others who had liver transplants, then talked about the band called "The Bad Livers." It's amazing Keith Richards still has his original liver, but maybe his persona was just an act for the last 40 years. Or maybe he's a ghost.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Desdemona

The dirtiest city is deceptive. It’s per capita. There was a TV section on the city in China with 30 million people last night which pointed out a day with excellent visibility means you can see about 100 yards. But you divide the pollution by 30,000,000.

Desdemona by John’s Children features Marc Bolan (for those unfamiliar with it), and John’s Children were a kind of ten years pre-punk enterprise. Desdemona’s impact is arguable. Simon Napier-Bell’s book describes how they bought it into the chart, but according to Guinness, it didn’t chart. At the time he certainly bought masses of radio play and it was on all the time on dying pirate radio but banned by the BBC (the other famous line is “lift up your skirt and fly.”). It’s now easily the most valuable of the first four Track singles. It was one of the memorable songs of the year, and there was a strong suspicion around that it got “Sex Pistoled” by the chart compilers after the BBC ban.

Ten years later. The week of the Queen’s Jubilee in 1977, “God Save The Queen” by The Sex Pistols reached #2 in the UK chart. However, Napier Bell had access to the sales figures for “God Save The Queen” and also for the same week’s number one, Rod Stewart’s inferior cover of First Cut Is the Deepest. There are several people in the business who swear that the Sex Pistols outsold Rod Stewart that week by at least two to one, but that the chart compilers refused to have "God Save The Queen" top the charts during that jubilee week, or at all. Mind you, if I had to be locked in a room with one record, I’d personally take Rod the Mod over the Sex Pistols everytime. It’s just that P.P. Arnold did it better.

There’s a compilation just out that I mean to order on records the BBC banned. They say it’s more fun if you try to guess why before reading the notes.


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Posted by:

bob w.

My link was a direct reference to a huge source of shit flowing out of Canada. Make the connection yet?


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Posted by:

Bill M

Steve: I heard a news thing about the dirtiest-cities list too, and was absolutely astounded that Rotterdam was even on it, much less heading it. While it sprawls in a way that is uncharacteristic of Dutch cities (as a result of having been demolished in the '40s), I don't recall it being anything like what Toronto's become or Calgary was well on the way to becoming the last time I was there. Maybe somebody screwed up in converting pounds to kilos or vice versa?


Entered at Thu Apr 8 17:41:50 CEST 2010 from 21cust103.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.103)

Posted by:

Steve

BOB, as my old neighbor, Fred, would say, " a great, giant book could be written containing just a small portion of the things you don't know."

In keeping with that sentiment, never lead with your face, it never turns out well, though I'm sure constantly leading with your face explains the problem you seem to have of remembering that the next time around.

By the way, BOB, the topic was CO2 emissions and global warming. If you wanted a story within that topic to "Blame Canada", one just released yesterday, you could have posted the story naming, Calgary, as the city with the 5th highest level per capita of greenhouse gas production in the world.

By the by, three of the cities beating out Calgary for that dubious distinction, holding the second, third and fourth positions are Minneapolis, Washington and Denver. Those rotters in Rotterdam hold first place.

Remember, BOB, I'm always here for you.


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Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Bill M: Yes, it's on the target label (link to picture above).

For many national enquiring minds, Mac Davis is remembered as the cuckold whose wife ran off with the Rhinestone Cowboy.

I neglected to mention that Oppo players can be easily "hacked" to play DVDs for all regions, by simply pressing a couple of buttons on the remote.


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Posted by:

Bill M

David P: The Band 45 you found, UOCC / TNTDODD, was it on the target label? And am I right in thinking that only the first single came out here (NA) on the swirl label?

Peter V: I certainly take your point that the first four single releases comprise an exceptional Track Record, I'd say that for a song to be a 'classic', it has to be better known than Desdemona is. Brilliant record though, and far far better than Lily in my opinion; the "open your legs and talk" line has always stuck in my mind.

NB: This'll give you something to scout around for. Like it's follow-up "Lemmings" project, NatLamp issued "Radio Dinner" as a series of very funny aural jokes on vinyl. Belushi was in the troupe that did "Lemmings" and he may have been on "Radio Dinner" as well. It seems to me that the latter had at least one other very funny bit, but I can't begin to recall what on earth it was. Oddly enough, the only conversation I can recall having about "Radio Dinner" was in Mr Warnica's Radio shop class, at which a classmate pointed out the humorous aspect of the "singing in the ghetto" bit. Another musically related snippet of conversation I recall is your pingpong buddy Mike MacD criticising the cluelessness of Mitch Mitchell's drumming with Hendrix. (Mike was a professional musician into the early '90s at least, so I guess he had some technical basis for this opinions.)

Peter V / David P: I thought it was funny, though I now realise it was unfair, when "Rolling Stone" (or similar) awarded Mac Davis its annual Perjury Award for "Rock And Roll I Gave You The Best Years Of My Life".

With no Empty N around to remind me, I missed the proper time for an airing of Fairuz's awe-inspiring "Good Friday" EP recorded in the early '60s. Am making amends now.


Entered at Thu Apr 8 16:08:16 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Universal Soldiers

Oppo, a California-based company, has been manufaturing some great universal DVD players that combine SACD, DVD-A, HDCD and up-sampling DVD-V capability at affordable prices. Their latest models add Blu-ray to the universal menu. I haven't made the step up to the latter, but do have one of their earlier players, which retailed for under $200 and has performed flawlessly.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: SACD & audiophile stuff

I didn't know until I read it here that SACD is being revived somewhat … here in the UK, it all got remaindered a few years back for tiny sums. I'm a little wary of buying new discs in the format. I have a Pioneer DVD player which plays SACD and DVD-Audio, but when that inevitably dies, I'm not sure what you'll find to play SACD. In classic Sony style, Sony Blu-Ray players don't play SACD.

Also, talking to friends we've all had such reliability problems with Sony stuff in recent years, from hi-fi to DVD to monitors to TVs to compact cameras (my Sony compact died days after its three year guarantee expired), that Sony is now right off my list. For twenty years I was a totally loyal Sony-first buyer for video / DVD/ TV equipment. No more. I suppose the best buy is a dedicated Sony SACD player, but they won't play DVD-Audio and it's yet another box to plug in.

Also, replacing my once beloved Sony ES office system with my 20 year old unused Quad boosted the sound quality hugely.


Entered at Thu Apr 8 15:22:24 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: New Rock of Ages Reissue

The audiophile Mobile Fidelity label has just released a hybrid-SACD version of "Rock of Ages". While this reissue doesn't include the extra disc of bonus tracks featured on the 2001 Capitol remaster, it is the best sounding CD version of the album in my opinion. The standard CD layer of this release sounds great, however, those listeners with SACD equipment will benefit the most from this upgraded reissue.


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Posted by:

bob w.

Web: My link

I never would have guessed.


Entered at Thu Apr 8 12:38:08 CEST 2010 from 21cust44.tnt2.sherbrooke.pq.da.uu.net (64.11.26.44)

Posted by:

Steve

Subject: US Glacier National Park, 125 glaciers gone, just 25 left to go

Where have all the glaciers gone?

Long time melting

Where have all the glaciers gone?

Long time ago

Where have all the glaciers gone?

Gone to trout streams everyone

When will they ever learn?

When will they ever learn?

Brien, I haven't checked yet but I don't think our constitution's right to free speech covers the GB either. But if any Canucker should come to physical or mental harm here our medical system does cover it.


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: YOUNG HIPPIE

Right about now there are probably a dozen or so folks wanting to scream out the answer to your question. If you go to 'frequently asked questions', under number one, there are four things you shouldn't do. I think your question falls under numbers 2 and 3. Like Brien Sz said, it is what it is.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I don't think there is free speech on the internet as you prescribe. The hosts can moderate and delete as they please. The world wide web is not bound by the US Consititution.


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Posted by:

Young Hippie

Subject: My previous post

I read my post yesterday, but it has since disappeared. There is free speech on the internet & certainly on this GB.As a Spanish speaking person would say "que paso"(what's goin' on roughly)?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Are You Experienced was Track, distributed by Polydor, as was Purple Haze. The Track Record (no "s") label has a claim to fame. I think few other labels can boast four all-time classics in its first four releases (Purple Haze, Pictures of Lily, Desdemona, The Wind Cries Mary).

Hendrix had put out the first single, Hey Joe, on straight red Polydor. After that they were all on Track, including Purple Haze, the very first Track record, and the only one with a white centre label design. It was changed soon after its release to black, so white ones are worth more. Track was formed by Who managers Kit Lambert and Chris Stamp.


Entered at Wed Apr 7 22:10:59 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Stacks of Tracks

Peter: I have a copy of the UK LP version of "Are You Experienced", with the black Track Record label and Polydor Records Ltd listed under the Track logo.

Saturday I scored a copy of the original Capitol 45 single of The Band's "Up On Cripple Creek" b/w "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" for $1. Also picked up Creedence Clearwater Revival's 45 of "Who'll Stop The Rain" b/w "Travelin' Band" on Fantasy for $2.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: It's Hard to Be Humble

I also saw Mac Davis, in the 80s, I think. He was a solo opening act, and I couldn't swear to which band he opened for, but I have a feeling it was The Everly Brothers. He was one of the opening acts that stand out in my memory.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Record Collector's only …

Among my pile of finds yesterday was "Hey Joe" by Jimi Hendrix. I already had a copy, bought new in 1967, but this one jumped out of the pack (at a mere £1). Instead of "Jimi Hendrix Experience" it had just "Jimi Hendrix" and the Polydor logo was black, not the normal white. I've already lost the non-vinyl collectors here, so I'll continue. It had the same catalogue number, Made in England, as the normal one. It took me ages to find it on the net. Apparently it's a November 1966 review copy (i.e. demo, but not marked demo) which was sent around before the main release. The Rare Record Price Guide doesn't even acknowledge its existence. I suspect it's worth more than £1.


Entered at Wed Apr 7 21:02:23 CEST 2010 from vance012.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.57)

Posted by:

Nothern Boy

Bill: If this National Lampoon publication you spoke of has something of a humorous bent to it, then I suppose there's an outside chance that that particular word combo wasn't merely inadvertently funny, but intentionally so. However, not being a fan of the "printed joke" I avoid all such publications.

On a more serious note, I see that the revolutionary new iPad comes equipped with an airbag for all those multi-taskers who inevitably will be using it to surf the internet while drinking their coffee and cruising down the highway. NB


Entered at Wed Apr 7 20:35:52 CEST 2010 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: In The Ghetto

Bill M: Mac Davis wrote "In The Ghetto" years before he himself became a country/pop star. He wrote many other songs that Elvis & others recorded, including "Little Less Conversation". Years before I remember seeing Mr. Davis perform here at teen dances at the Misty Waters skating rink with his group Mac Davis and the Zots. He'd moved here from Lubbock, Texas and briefly attended college in Atlanta at the time while playing in his rock band.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ray Pence / Facebook

It is weird. I can't even locate you with "Search" It might be easier if you just found: me Joan Klinger Carlton. We'll get it yet.


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Posted by:

Bill M

NB: I'd be shocked if the folks at NatLamp HADN'T inserted the 'immortal' word in their script precisely because it jarred with the concept of the eve o'destruction. Just like they must've been thinking of Fred Astaire when they wrote about hearing Elvis singing in the ghetto. As Huxley epigraphed, quoting Blake, "If the doors of perception were cleansed [by quality pharmaceuticals] ..."


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Posted by:

Jack

That should read QUADRAPHONIC. Spell check please?


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Posted by:

Jack

Subject: Planet Waves /QUADRAPHINIC

I remember buying my first copy of Planet Waves. Across the top of the jacket was the word Quadraphonic. Quadraphonic audio was one of the earliest consumer offerings in surround sound. It was a commercial failure due to many technical problems, which were solved too late to save the technology from disaster. The format was more expensive than standard two-channel stereo. It also required extra speakers. I didn't have the money at the time.


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Posted by:

David P

I guess the best sounding version of "Planet Waves" would be the 2003 hybrid-SACD remaster. Sony/Legacy also released a remastered, standard CD version of "Before The Flood" last year.

The two different versions of "Forever Young", remixed by Will.I.Am, have recently been used in Pepsi television ads.

I did get to see Dylan & The Band here in Atlanta on the '74 tour, as did then-governor Jimmy Carter, who invited them back to the governor's mansion after the show. I had excellent seats on the floor, in the center about 20 rows back. As I recall, all the tickets were sold by mail and I made sure my order was postmarked as early as possible.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: 'Hell Freezes Over' tour...

Obviously dlew919 will play the part (and probably the song) of Neil Diamond as a special guest. Upon telling NB to 'follow that' he'll say 'What? Fall asleep'?

Concert opens with Bumbles singing 'Hotel California'. Finishes with JH singing 'I want to be released (but they keep dragging me back') in a neo-Pacino style (in other words, a lot of screaming... /n Highlight of the night, of course is Peter V - ga does Peter Seeger, where the Moonstruck Ones are reunited for a very special reunion cover of 'The End' and 'The Moon Struck One'... ;)


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Planet Waves

My vinyl LP sold in Finland is on "Asylum" just like CHARLIE's. It has Heavens door printed on. And Dylan's hand-written poem, too. I believed Richard's name was "Manual", not Manuel, for twenty years :)))))))))))


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Lars: "Libby lost Ezra last summer. I wouldn't want anybody to give her more problems during her mourning period. "

Without knowing anyone mentioned in Lasses/Lassen post (genetiv form in Swedish and Finnish!) I posted earlier something like "you shouldn't post about personal matters". No one remembers it anymore but I do. No excuses, just "sorry". I should have known better :(

Devil invented the internet.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: You're so Vain

Carly's putting up a smokescreen. She admitted that it was Warren Beatty years ago but has the new album "Never Been Gone" to promote, though not in the UK, where readers of the Sunday Times received it as a free covermount disc two or three weeks ago.


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Posted by:

Steve

Fortunately, Deb, I didn't read your post til this morning. I couldn't have handled any more yesterday. I know you were trying to push me over the edge.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Planet Waves

I like my copy of "All Along the Watchtower" single from the 1974 tour as it's on the palm tree Island label. It's unusual to see Bob Dylan & The Band on anything other than Capitol / CBS - Columbia.

Planet Waves … indeed, British release was on Island, not Asylum. . I bought an American import because in those days releases were often a couple of weeks apart, and I couldn't wait. My copy says "Asylum, manufactured by Elektra / Asylum / Nonesuch. Warner Communications. New York." It has a gold 12 inch back sheet slipped into the shrink wrap, which I slit but left around the record because it had a front sticker./

I didn't know the pressing was questionable. I just thought it was a thin, slapdash recording which I always put down to the engineer and producer. Every Band album sounds richer and realer than Planet Waves. It was done in a hurry, and it shows. The CD doesn't change the inherent recording quality which I guessed is what they captured on the day. Do you think WEA will give me my money back if I complain now about the pressing? Is it worth a try?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Pressings

Ask Beatles fanatics about that. Singles were often pressed by rival companies where there was a rush, and in Britain where basically five pressing plants operated, you can tell the pressing by the way they finished the outer edge of the vinyl. Someone demonstrated this to me. With Beatles singles, EMI edges will naturally indicate the first run, but there are copies with a Decca-pressed edge and a Philips-pressed edge and for some reason the last is held most desirable in this arcane world. I'm also told that British London-American (owned by Decca) pressings of singles are held to be superior to originals from the USA. The American ones were one generation closer to the master tape, but Decca's ffrr system was a superior method. I can't tell the difference.

On releases, I bought "Self-Portrait" a full week before release in a shop in Norwich. He had a box of Nashville Skyline and I bought one, then he said "Do you want the new one?" and produced a box full of Self Portrait from under the counter. There was a lot of winking and "say no more." In retrospect, I imagine they "had fallen off the back of a lorry". Do you think I should give myself in now for receiving property of dubious origin? I've just recalled that I bought three then recent Byrds albums shrink-wrapped from that shop at about half the normal price. Now I'm feeling I should post a cheque to CBS / Columbia at once.


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Posted by:

kyle

Location: alabama
Web: My link


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of brotherly love
Web: My link

Subject: Planet Waves etc

David, wouldn't be surprised at that. Of course the album didn't appear until a couple of weeks into the tour. I saw the 2nd stop and the album wasn't out yet. Of course back then people would play new stuff before the album was out. The whole record pressing thing is not as consistent as you would think. A friend of mine put a video security system into one of Columbia's pressing plants (and they pressed for other companies as well) and the bottom line is this, copies of the same album from different plants can sound different. Blonde On Blonde is great example of this. Charlie, if you still have that copy of Planet Waves, I'd be willing to bet it says Island on it instead of Asylum.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: thank you for kind comments on the CM article

Thanks to all who had nice things to say about the article and who took time to read it. I hope you enjoy it. And yes, as Peter V says, there's plenty of other good things to read in that issue. Disability studies is an important field, intersect with American studies in important ways, and there is particularly impressive DS work in Britain, has been for quite a while. Enjoy.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Web: My link

Subject: facebook

If this link doesn't work, I'll have to try something else...


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland (lawrence kansas) and waiting for July 5 and Levon in KC

Subject: facebook and springsteen and the eagles

Joan--I'm sorry, I'll look at my FB security again...don't give up on me:)

I wouldn't put it past the Eagles (or Henley and Frey) to go out of their way to take a shot at the Boss...Randy Newman, who created some albums of sheer genius and others that fell far short of same, explicitly and cartoonishly lambasted the Boss and Clarence Clemons on 1983's Trouble in Paradise...and prior to that, on 1979's Born Again, is thought to have targeted either Springsteen or Travolta or both in "Pretty Boy"...

So, if the story about New Kid in Town is true, then obviously Newman's chums in the Eagles shared his disdain--and if I were Springsteen, well I wouldn't have been able to hide my delight that these big shots of the mellow mafia (the Eagles, at least) invested considerable studio time and money in pillorying me...he must have known he'd really hit the big time, as opposed to just hitting the cover of the big Time...

Quite amusing, the possibility of multiplatinum multimillionaires like Henley/Frey having to lash out at the Boss...maybe because as live performers, compared to Bruce, they stink on ice, as Irv Azoff might say...and Newman is no great shakes live, either...there is a mean-spiritedness to a lot of that LA 1970s rock that puts me off, an immaturity and sense of entitlement that deserved all the attacks from the punk and new wave movements.

That's why Warren Zevon was such a welcome and quirky player to enter the game, and not coincidentally he and Springsteen worked together, respected each other.

Joe Walsh did redeem the mid- to late-1970s Eagles, I have to say. They were blessed to have that man in their midst. I don't care for anything they did without him.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Subject: "Planet Waves"

I remember seeing lots of copies of the "Planet Waves" LP turning up at my local Harmony Hut record store, priced at 44 cents. I think I still have an unopened copy. That's one orginal I never played much. The most memorable thing about it was that Dylan's handwritten poem on the cover misspelled Richard's last name. Haste makes waste.


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Posted by:

joe jj

Location: Southside
Web: My link

One of my favourite bands right about now. The Hold Steady. Link is to 'Stuck Between Stations' on Letterman.

Landmark: Is Lightfoot's 'Tom Thumbs Blues' available on LP or CD?

Blast from the past: Heard Mink Deville's 'Savoir Faire' l'apres-midi.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Book your plane ticket PV....

"Tickets go on sale Friday for the rock documentary When You're Strange: A Film About The Doors, which will be screened April 15 across Canada.

The movie, directed by indie filmmaker Tom DiCillo and narrated by Johnny Depp, uses historic and previously unseen footage to tell the history of the revolutionary band, led by legendary singer, Jim Morrison.

Seattle Coliseum, February 9, 1974
Photos By Rick McGrath

"As a rock 'n' roll documentary, or any kind of documentary, for that matter, it simply doesn't get any better than this," Depp said in a statement. "What an honour to have been involved. I am as proud of this as anything I have ever done."

Advance tickets are available beginning April 9 online at www.cineplex.com/events, as well as at participating theatre box offices. The movie will be released on DVD and Blu-ray on June 29, and a soundtrack will be released April 6.

The film will be shown at selected Cineplex theatres on April 15 at 7 p.m., with an encore presentation at some locations on Saturday, April 17 at 1 p.m.

© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service

Thank you very much David P.....a beautiful surpise. :-D

Bob Dylan & The Band In Concert Photos....Seattle Coliseum
February 9, 1974
Photos By Rick McGrath


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Subject: Thinking Outside La Boite (while typing inside of one)

Paradoxically, isn't describing The Eve of Destruction as "immortal" actually LESS than complimentary, given the whole prophetically cataclysmic point of the song ?

I only raise the question because a) for some inexplicable reason, if I don't do it nobody else will and b) the GB today has been ridden with a disproportionate amount of factual information and convergent thinking, so this should hopefully restore some kind of balance. You're welcome. NB


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Posted by:

Jerry

Subject: Levon to the Minnesota Zoo

ZZZZ,,Levon and John Haitt, July 6 at the Zoo. Tix go on sale this Friday...


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Posted by:

Deb

Steve, I think he's also Joni Mitchell's "Free Man in Paris".


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: It's Too Much Info For One Day

Hey, what's going on? I just read an excerpt from Tom King's bio of Geffen today that said Geffen is gay, not that there's anything wrong with that. It was the part about Geffen taking Robbie and Dominique to a gay bar in 73.

Then I read a review of the book and discovered that he's bisexual, not that's there's really anything wrong with that either.

Then I find out he's the ascot wearing vain guy in the Simon song.

Now, that I have a problem with!


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Posted by:

David P

PSB: Interesting anecdote regarding the defective copies of "Planet Waves". I remember reading elsewhere that Asylum initially pressed & shipped an unusually large number of LPs, no doubt helping to boost the RIAA sales figures when it was first released. The trouble was, in their haste to get the album out fast, in time for the planned tour, they might have had a problem adjusting the bass frequency properly with the length of the album sides. This is the tricky part of cutting records, which can lead to tracking problems when playing the LP.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: Not far from Libby

Subject: Libby

BILL M.- I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing...don't know what you mean...I put a question mark after the word "friendship" because I've read about Carly Simon saying that her close friendship with Libby has gotten kind of strained. They may not be best friends anymore, but there's probably still a tie of friendship somewhere...I'm not sure. I could ask her.

Libby lost Ezra last summer. I wouldn't want anybody to give her more problems during her mourning period.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Hell Freezes Over

Reminds me of a song from Curtis Mayfield's debut solo album -- "(Don't Worry) If There's A Hell Below, We're All Going To Go".

Lars: Libby Titus played the role of Meryl Streep's sister Rachel in the 1987 film "Heartburn". Directed by Mike Nichol and also starring Jack Nicholson, from Nora Ephron's novel & screenplay. (Insert Carl Bernstein / Deep Throat references here if you will :-) The film soundtrack featured the Carly Simon song "Coming Around Again". Ms. Titus was also credited as a production assistant on another Mike Nichols film, "Working Girl", starring Melanie Griffith, Harrison Ford, Sigourney Weaver, Joan Cusack and Alec Baldwin. The opening Staten Island Ferry scene featured the song "Let The River Run" by Carly Simon, which won Oscar, Grammy and Golden Globe awards in 1988 for best motion picture song.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

News Flash: When JH pulls the plug on this GB...........the GB is going the Hell freezes Over route while the Chat Room is doing a farewell concert.....some GB regulars may show up at the gig though Norm has already let it be known that his segment is not to be filmed........


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Posted by:

Bill M

Dylan shilling on TV: it's hard not to think of National Lampoon's Radio Dinner skit, with the Bobster pitching, a la Chubby Checker, "24 Solid Protest Hits" - "You'll hear Barry McGuire singing the immortal 'Eve Of Destruction'; listen to Elvis Presley singing 'In The Ghetto' ..."


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Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of brotherly love
Web: My link

Subject: Dylan and Asylum

David, When Dylan signed with Asylum for "Planet Waves," it was a one album deal. (This has been in a few books.) When it came time to release "Before The Flood," (so the story goes), Dylan wanted to sell it on TV, but was eventually talked out of that. Meanwhile a bidding war had started for the album, and Dylan eventually gave it to Geffen, because of his help with the tour. Shortly after its release, Dylan re-signed with Columbia. It took awhile though for the Geffen releases however to appear on Columbia, and I can't remember if they appeared on LP or only later on CD. Considering the response to the tour, Dylan was unhappy with the sales of Planet Waves, especially once the returns came in. Now in terms of those returns, what is not mentioned in any books, but I know from personal experience, is that many of the initial copies of Planet Waves were defective. I worked in a major record store at the time (Sam Goody's when it was really still Sam Goody's) and the defective returns were huge. I returned several copies myself before finally giving up, but there were noticeable skips on "Tough Mama" and "Something There Is About You." And speaking of Asylum, which at the time had recently merged with Elektra to become Elektra/Asylum in terms of distribution (though all were a part of Warner Bros.), for awhile there in early '74, the top three albums on the charts, were Dylan, Joni Mitchell and Carly Simon, and Robbie Robertson played on all three.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Lars: To suggest that it was "Anticipation" would be to set the callico cat among the callyco pigeans, eh?


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: "Libby"

Carly Simon wrote at least one song about her friendship(?) with Libby Titus.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: The Eagles and Band examples suggest that there may be no wrong answer. The fact that the Eagles broke up messily allowed them to take on the brilliantly self-deprecating "Hell Freezes Over" line. And the fact that the Band, largely unknown in most of the world, went out classily as chums surrounded by world-famous chums, allowed them to do TLW and thereby attract the rest of the world's attention.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: From soaring with the Eagles to playing for Parrotheads...

After the Eagles broke up in 1980 bassist Timothy B. Schmit, with his additional talent as a vocalist, did a lot of session work with other artists. From '83-'85 he was also a member of Jimmy Buffett's Coral Reefer Band. It was during that time that he reportedly coined the phrase "Parrotheads" to describe Mr. Buffett's dedicated fans, who sported tropical attire. Percussionist Sam Clayton, of Little Feat fame, was also a member of the Coral Reefers then. I remember the first time I saw Mr. Schmit playing with Buffett, I didn't recognize him at first because he had shorn his trademark long hair.


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Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, that's the author's argument, one which Henley denies, but the author has his sources. The book also quotes Henley in the 80's as saying he wished the Eagles went out in a more dignified manner ala TLW.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ray Pence / Facebook

Ray I haven't been able to access your page.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Run Yoko Run

Bad enough that Robbie broke up the Band........Now Pat B informs me the Robertson couple may have had a hand in attempting to break up my country!


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Posted by:

Bill M

Pat B: I'm not the world's biggest Springsteen fan, but it wouldn't have occurred to me to blame him for "New Kid In Town". You didn't mention that the book ranks our guys with the Allman Brothers as the champeens of womanising pre Eagles.

Joan: From what I've read, Geffen's ego was so big that he'd've known right away that the song was about him; so big, in fact, that he probably flew his Lear jet to Nova Scotia for a total eclipse of the sun because anything involving the sun must by definition revolve around his presence.


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Posted by:

David P.

Bill M: John Einarson lives in Winnepeg, Canada and, in years past, has been known to visit this GB, as I once received an e-mail from him after praising one of his books here. His excellent book on the Burritos, by the way, was published by Jawbone Press, who also published Sid Griffin's "Million Dollar Bash: Bob Dylan, The Band and the Basement Tapes".

As Pat B mentioned, The Band received considerable financial rewards for their collaboration with Dylan in 1974. Interestingly, "Planet Waves" and "Before The Flood", initially released by Geffen's Asylum label, are now controlled by Sony/Columbia. Evidently, when Dylan shortly thereafter left Geffen and re-signed with Columbia, his Geffen contract must have included some sort of clause favorable to Dylan, allowing the rights to those Asylum albums to revert back to him. One of several singles released by Asylum from the "Before The Flood" tour featured The Band's "Stage Fright" as the B-side to Dylan's "Most Likely You Go Your Way...", as I have a copy. Presumably, since it was a new live version, they some how found a way around their Capitol contract.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Carly Simon

Not sure if someone brought this up or not, but,,,. Recently Carly revealed who was the man in "You're So Vain" David Geffen!!! I must confess I was a little disappointed.


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Posted by:

Pat B

I believe Greil Marcus in Mystery Train says that RR and Dominique wanted to leave Woodstock and settle in Montreal as Dominique was possibly active in the separatist movement.

I was contemplating my navel in Colorado for a week and I read To The Limit, the Eagles bio. Whatever one thinks of the group's music, the book itself is excellent, painting quite a picture of the early 70's LA scene. And I couldn't help but thinking that the rise of this scene prompted the Band's move west. With the explosion of the LA scene as the cutting edge of corporate rock (meaning money and lots of it) and the emergence of young management types like Geffen and Azoff, LA was literally the place to be. Dylan and the Band arriving must have seemed like royalty, and with Bill Graham they immediately put together the biggest grossing tour in history. Not bad. But the two LA albums flop, and NLSC pretty much seals the end of the OQ.

Now the most ironic thing is that Springsteen shows up in LA and burns the place down, prompting the Eagles to do New Kid In Town and triggering the re-emergence of East Coast rock--according to the author. Interesting chain of events.


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Posted by:

Paul

Location: Chicago

Looking forward to Otis Redding live at the Whiskey. I've only heard some cuts on a compilation, but there's a trumpet player who's out of tune. I've read that most of the recordings were unusable for that reason, that this was why the recording wasn't released in Otis's lifetime, and also read that he might have been edited out of what was released. Maybe the liner notes will have some details. This band's rhythm section kicks, and Otis is at the top of his game.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Steve: Aucun idee. You'll have to ask Dominique about her ancestry - or maybe Sebastian if/when he returns. Robbie said somewhere or other that she'd told him more about the expulsions than he would've picked up at school (though he surely would have picked up something, even in public school).

Peter V: Thanks for the lack of detail on the ending; I hate spoilers! You, Dunc et al might like to know that John Einarson, mentioned many times in "Neil Young Nation" is now working on a biography of Ian and Sylvia (see link to what is an interesting article on the Burritos.)


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: From Woodstock to Shangri-La

When exactly did The Band officially cut ties with Albert Grossman's management company? We do know that they were apparently still working with him in July 1973 when they played at Watkins Glen. By early November of that year, however, they'd begun recording with Dylan at the Village Recorder in L.A. for the "Planet Waves" album, which was released by David Geffen's Asylum label in January 1974.

A bit of history -- The Band's recording contract, an agreement entered into between Capitol Records, Inc. and Groscourt Productions, Inc. was executed February 1, 1968. Groscourt (Albert Grossman and John Court's management company) agreed to furnish Capitol "the exclusive personal endeavors of Levon Helm, Robbie Robertson, Richard Manuel, Rick Danko and Garth Hudson, performing as 'The Crackers' (herein sometimes called the 'Artists') in connection with the production of records."


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Incense

I had a visit to our local vinyl shop who had a newly-arrived box full of finds today. Among them was the great "Incense" by the Anglos. This was written and produced by Jimmy Miller and released on the short-lived Island sub-label Brit. A Brit copy is worth a lot, and the copy I got was the later Island one. It's much anthologised and I have it on CD, but it's not the same.

The Anglos were Island's two hottest singers … Steve Winwood and Millie "My Boy Lollipop" Small. And the B-side, You're Fooling Me (also by Jimmy Miller) is not on the anthologies.


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Posted by:

Steve

Bill, is Dominique, Acadian?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, I read the Neil Young one too. I loved the ending about finding "Trans."


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Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Ray P: Thanks for your two posts. Re NLSC, it's worth noting that "Rags And Bones" is perhaps the most clearly acknowledged 'personal' story-song that Robbie released with the Band. Not that it was based on his own life, but that of one of his grandfathers. "Acadian Driftwood" is, like TNTDODD, more general than personal, though it too was suggested by the stories of a person - in that case his wife rather than his Band-mate; I wonder if Dominique ever drove him to the library?

As for your other post, I've printed out the journal, not just for your article on Curtis M but also for the one on Neil Y. Coincidentally I'm now reading Kevin Chong's excellent "Neil Young Nation", in which four slacker dudes take a long drive to retrace Young's early travels from Winnipeg to Fort William to Toronto to LA via Albuquerque (sp?). It reminded me, in a page I read just last night, that "Transformer" revolves around a son's challenges. (David Wilcox's cover of the title song was a total revelation for me because it uncovered an absolutely lovely song beneath all that techno.)

Speaking of academic journals, music and Winnipeg, a recent edition of "No Depression" had a very long (20+ pages) and very interesting article on the rock career and subsequent music-therapy work of Jeffrey Hatcher, who recorded with his punk band in hometown Winnipeg, then moved to Toronto with most of the band to make it in roots rock in the early/mid '80s (which is when I caught them a bunch of times) then moved out to Vancouver where he hooked up with the talented but troubled Bill Cowsill and formed an awesome country/roots-rock group, the Blue Shadows (two CDs). Cowsill eventually fell apart, as did the group, and Hatcher moved back home, went back to university and found a new career that makes good use of the old. The link above is to the closest thing the Blue Shadows had to a hit, "Deliver Me"; I suggest, NB NB, clicking on the follow-on link to "Runaway Train".)


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: The Flying Dutchman on the (Great Barrier) Reef

Hi again, Steve - not yet... but I think it's inevitable... I hope its not...


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Posted by:

Intending buyer

Subject: "Big Pink" property

To the owner(s) of the property shown in Subject line. - I have chosen this discreet way to tell you that my mailing address can be asked from Mr. Kruze and my email address and my cellular phone number can be asked from Mr. Hoiberg. I am a foreign private investor.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Earth

Subject: Rock & Roll Shoes

Does anyone know if there was ever a studio version of "i don't wanna hang up my rock & roll shoes", i seem to remember hearing one way back in the 70's but can't find it now?


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Posted by:

Peter V

They would either have a company or a partnership. I don't think a label would do five separate deals with five individuals, so there would surely have been a common pool.


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Robbie's book

I'm pretty sure no-one would buy a book sold on the idea 'the third version of a story you've heard twice already! Except this time with more memory loss!' (Not that I think robbie or levon's (for that matter) memory is any more faulty than anyone else's)...


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Posted by:

Steve

Dlew, well done on both accounts.

Has that coal ship come apart completely yet? What a disaster if that should come to pass. The largest living organism on the planet soaked in oil and covered in coal. Can we possibly make a more definitive statement of indifference to our environment?


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Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Steve; Ray

Hey Steve - there's a couple of options: reading Levon's book, it sounds like there was a general business account (not an uncommon, and indeed a sensible set up in many cases). The money could have come from that. Geffen may have paid an advance against future royalties. Goldman may have written off some debt (that's extremely unlikely)... but I doubt they would have paid directly. I don't know, though. I know when Queen got out of their contrat with John Reid (fairly amicably) they paid from a general acount, and there was some percentage from future royalties - another potential model. PS - probably should have said this earlier , but whenever I read your stuff, I read it as if you've got a big smile on your face...

Ray - where are you on Facebook? You can look for me - I've got a few of us here as friends, so you might find me through there... I've got a picture of a mandolin as a profile picture...


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Posted by:

Steve

When The Band paid, Grossman, $625,000 to get out of their contract where would that money come from? A joint bank account? Or did everyone dig into their own pocket and come up with the cash? If so, did they all pay an equal share? How would that work? Would Geffen front the cash against future sales?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Curtis Mayfield

A great article makes you pull the CD off the shelf, and I’ve just pulled Curtis Mayfield’s “New World Order” off the shelf for today’s listening. Thanks, Ray. It’s a long time since I’ve heard it, but Curtis Mayfield / The Impressions get frequent plays here. I printed out Ray’s article and would like to quote, but Mrs V has the copy and is reading it avidly as she believes “People Get Ready” is one of the greatest songs of the 20th century. She'd also argue its power because there are a dozen superb cover versions.

One thought that struck me today, seeing Ray’s abbreviation of New World Order as NWO, is whether Curtis was having a little fun in the title with NWA, as rap was providing money.

Another Band-related thought is I wondered if Robbie's autobiography will have him telling Dylan to listen to Curtis Mayfield as America's best songwriter, or to Smokey Robinson, as he's switched between them in various interviews. That's fair enough, as in nine months on the road, the point was probably made repeatedly, and both work. Dylan appropriated it himself and passed it on (using Smokey Robinson).

Curtis Mayfield had a great influence on Robbie's guitar playing too, though I never knew about Curtis's custom tuning. I've been researching record labels and I believe that Curtis Mayfield's somewhat lower profile than some of his peers partly comes down to recording with the "wrong labels" … ABC and then via Buddah for his own Curtom label … rather than Motown, Stax or Atlantic. "wrong" is in inverted commas because he seems to have retained a better share of his due royalties than some of his peers on the bigger soul labels. But it hasn't helped his reissue profile, being missing from all those "definitive" soul compilations from Atlantic, Stax and Motown. He was also a great producer for other artists like Major lance.

The Larry Harris book on Casablanca starts with his job at Buddah Records, who were Curtom's distributor (and in the UK, 70s Mayfield was on Buddah). This was around the "Superfly" launch period, and he describes various bits with Mayfield. The surprise was that on the back of the success of "Freddie's Dead" Mayfield was certainly not practising what he was preaching.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland (lawrence kansas) and waiting for July 5 and Levon in KC
Web: My link

Subject: another connection between Peter Viney and me...

I was reading Peter's most impressive essay on "Acadian Driftwood" and became curious about his academic background...and discovered that we share an American Studies background in addition to our love for the Band.

I don't like to call attention to my Ph.D. (although I appreciate Brown Eyed Girl's compliments), but American Studies is the field in which I earned that, so, cheers to you, Peter, from the University of Kansas American Studies program!!

I have not published anything on the Band, but have linked above to an issue of a journal in which an article of mine about Curtis Mayfield and his quadriplegia appears...so there is a pretty tight Band connection to my heart...enjoy.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland (lawrence kansas) and waiting for July 5 and Levon in KC

Subject: The Band in the early to mid-70s

Picking up on Peter V's post and the comment about Albert Grossman's waning influence, it becomes more and more likely that Northern Lights-Southern Cross was a sort of "Hail Mary" effort which, combined with the West Coast relocation, was meant to reestablish the Band's standing...sales-wise, it did not, and perhaps that was a letdown from which recovery was hard...regardless, the only Band studio album I like more than NLSC is the Brown Album. No question, NLSC is one of the great underrated records of the 1970s.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Puff Goes The Not So Magic Dragons

In addition to Janis Joplin's overdose death, the Grossman organization suffered another severe blow in 1970 with the conviction of Peter Yarrow (of Peter, Paul and Mary) for improprieties with an underage female fan.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Rockabillie Session Part 1

Fogerty's Cove Joe????????

Carl Perkins & Friends Rockabillie Session Part 1

Carl gives the "Kids" a work out on the birth of rock & roll. Really a hoot to look back on. Look for the cigarette behind the nut on Claptons guitar. Watch Ringo's work on the tambourine. Look at the hairdos.....


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Dear Landlord

By the time The Band moved west and reunited with Dylan to record and tour in 1974, they also followed in his footsteps by cutting ties with Albert Grossman. According to Fred Goodman's book about the music industry, "The Mansion On The Hill", they paid Mr. Grossman 625,000 to get out of their management contract with him to join Dylan in working with David Geffen. As Mr. Goodman and others have related, things had changed drastically after the death of Janis Joplin in October 1970, as Grossman retreated to focus more on his Bearsville label and studios and less on the day to day affairs of his management organization.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Down Along The Cove
Web: My link

Subject: Jericho

Thanking you all for your 'Otis At The Whiskey' info.

Picking up where I left off, with Ms Jones; link is to her take of 'Bessie Smith'.

Been playing: 'Jericho'. Still only have it on an old cassette. Bought it at a truck stop in Nova Scotia, en route to PEI, in 199?. Responsible for rekindling in me a passion for The Band and 60s R & R.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Band 1971 US tour

I just received this info from a correspondent who just found it in Rolling Stone, #99, p.4 of UK edition. Masthead date: 6 Jan 72 but printed on 14 December 1971 for sale until 6 January 1972.

The Rolling Stone news snippet says that Boston Gardens was half-empty and Philly sold 6000 of 12000 seats - and Philly was considered a good date. The report says that The Bnad was producing its own tour and taking a financial beating. One explanation given was they attracted an older crowd that doesn't like such large venues. Albert Grossman was rumoured to want them to play smaller halls and clubs, to attract their older fans.

Interesting. We've been discussing this as a possible reason for taking 1972 off and also as impetus for 73 work and the 74 Dylan tour where I was told they were on a third of the tour and album receipts.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: revision

Lisa Robinson's "Hot Tracks" column in the April _Vanity Fair_ features a short interview with Mick and Keef to promote the release of the remastered _Exile on Main St._.

Including this from Keef:

"It was a weird album -- it was all improvised on the spot. We recorded in the house, which was the first time [that] had been done; there were no studios involved."

In 1971.


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Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: I'm inclined to side with Steve if, as I suspect, the class is rather young: they'd have a lot more fun dissecting Garth's piano solo on "Rag Mama Rag" than discussing the impossibility of sainthood.


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Posted by:

Steve

Web: My link

Subject: Gotta Serve Somebody

Peter I could only find a 30 second video of the song, which was excellent but too brief. The link is to just the audio of the song. It's worth a listen. I'm not usually too fond of gospel but this is the way the song should be sung.

BEG, I thought, Rag Mama Rag, would appeal to an, alternative, crowd. The Weight, is so main stream, but do what you must.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Intimations

For you BEG Angelina:

"What though the radiance which was once so bright
Be now for ever taken from my sight,
Though nothing can bring back the hour
Of splendor in the grass, of glory in the flower;
We will grieve not, rather find
Strength in what remains behind;

--excerpt from William Wordsworth's "Intimations of Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood"


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sorry....Here's the link from....

Upon rehearing remastered Music from Big Pink & The Band, Luddites remastered launch thoughts & will Mad Men Season 3 meet the Beatles?

Last night caught "Celebrity Rehab" and then Costello's show with Bono and The Edge. I really enjoyed Elvis' singing.....When he channel's his punk edge I really dig him.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

"The real joy, though, is rehearing Music From Big Pink and The Band . . . two classic albums from Canada’s best rock band ever . . . & then there is the weeping inside as I Shall Be Released goes by, bringing on profound sadness about the late Richard (Stratford) Manuel and Rick (Simcoe) Danko & how they should still be alive. . . & the long roads for Garth (Medway high school) Hudson and Levon (Ark.) Helm & how they should be rich older men. Actually, it’s not just I Shall be Released that affects me that way . . . many of Robbie (Toronto, Six Nations) Robertson’s words have so many intimations of mortality and glimpses of immortality that these two great albums have a sense about them of all has happened since 1968 to the Band."


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For Richard Manuel....As Robbie said....He always felt too much....He will never be forgotten.

Thanks Westcoaster. Finding links is like play to me...total fun, fun, fun. Sorry for repeats as sometimes it beomes a blur as to what I've already posted. Thanks Stevon Farm and Kevin J. Both of you chose the songs I'm least fond of.....LOL.....I teach at an Alternative school where parents have a huge impact and presence so when I play the songs on the PA....It's for the whole community. How about I play your choice and mine.....TW....for it's universal message. I was also thinking about Van's "Days Like These".....The parents that were in the hallway the other few times all knew who was singing and last week when I played "GUSU" by Marley.....The Daycare kidzzz were all dancing before school started.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Books: Juliet, Naked by Nick Hornby

Aren't we here a little like the book describes? ..... no!



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Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: Allen Toussaint

Aaron Neville doing Allen Toussaint's Hercules.....dig the openning!........


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Otis Live

You can also view some great Otis Redding live footage on the "Stax/Volt Revue Live In Norway 1967" DVD. Also featured are performances by Sam & Dave, Eddie Floyd, Arthur Conley, Booker T & The MGs and the Mar-Keys.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: That was bracing, wasn't it! And how 'bout those dancers! Odd that Chris Farlowe didn't get to take a verse, or did I miss it?


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Freedom For The Stallion

Bill M: More recently Elvis Costello recorded a version with Allen Toussaint on their "River In Reverse" collaboration. The down side is that Mr. Costello handles the vocals, with Mr. Toussaint on piano & horn arrangements (played by the Crescent City Horns).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

The "I Can't Turn You loose" piece segues into the same Shake one so is a better first resort. What a band! (Mar Kays + Booker T and the MGs).


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

The link takes you to Otis Redding on "Ready, Steady, Go" with Eric Burden and Chris Farlowe as support vocalists. Both of the support guys have described it as one of the greatest moments of their performing lives.

Seek Out "I Can't Turn You Loose" on YouTube (Ready Steady Go Part 3". Three friends saw him on that tour. I didn't. They still say he's the best they've ever seen live.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Songwriting......

On songwriting......Band fans Kings of Leon (courtesy of Muchmusic) are now having some issues.........some things never change......

It appears there is some friction in Kings of Leon. Bassist Jared Followill has come out stating that “If I wasn’t involved, I can’t imagine liking us a lot.”

The complaints come with the news that older brother Caleb has assumed control of writing the band’s next album. It’s reached a point where Jared and the other band members have had to force their way into the songwriting process.

Cousin Matthew, who plays guitar in the band, added, “We basically go over to Caleb’s house for the royalties.”

-----------------------------

The ironic thing about TLW is while it did split up a great band well before their time....it is also the single most important event in the the band's legacy. I would highly doubt that there would be this website or the interest in the respective solo careers had it not taken place to such acclaim all those years ago.....shame about no one getting paid for it though! ( save Billy Graham's envelopes he handed out to the boys containing multi-thousand dollars the night of the show )

Belated as this is......BEG..... Up on Cripple Creek would be my pick for that setting........


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

....and some of 1976 Photos of Dylan and The Band all put together on one page. I previously posted the ones from 1974.

Btw JD....I was in a book store the other day and there was a collection of Dylan photos and some with The Band of course as they were as much of Dylan's legacy as Dylan was part of The Band's legacy. The photo of you and Dylan in Toronto at the Nickelodian I think?......Anyway, the photo in the book was a larger one where you could see The Hawk and only part of a woman......Who was she? You can email if you're not comfortable to post here. Hey.....I guess it will only be the two of us at the Levon show?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Also many more photos from....1966 USA and Australia Bob Dylan with The Band. There's also Bob Dylan with Lisa and Tom Law at Otis Redding Show LA.

Hi Bill M....I always thought it was significant that the Canadian School System came through for Robbie. All he needed was typing and Math to get through life. When I was in High School we took typing in grade nine. BTW my friend and Robbie both dropped out in grade 10.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Many more Dylan and The Band photos (Click to enlarge) 1965 July - September

Example Rick Danko by Ed Grazda and VU photos too.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Tronna
Web: My link

NB / Peter V: That Imelda sure has good taste in songs, judging through the couple I checked out, though I don't know that I'd pay much to hear her sing 'em. I love that jump blues style of music - does it bring Georgie Fame to mind for you, Peter?

Peter V: Your mention of you and the devil reminded me of the song at the link, "Dig A Hole", a minor hit for a very strong Vancouver group of the early '70s, the Hans Staymer Band. Guitarist Ed Patterson and organist Robbie King were both refugees from the SW Ontario sub-Hawks scene of the mid '60s, and Staymer himself had lived near Steve for awhile when he was with the Bards of Ayres Cliff (sp?) in the same era.

David P: "Freedom For The Stallion" is indeed a fabulous Toussaint song. Unfortunately, the voice that had the hit with it here was Larry Evoy, aka Edward Bear. Did I mention that Edward Bear, when it was still an interesting mostly blues band, played Dungbarton High in '69? There's nothing like the sound of a Hammond with a couple of leslies in school gym!

BEG: Speaking of high school, if Robbie got to grade 10 at RH King, he was probably there for grade 9 too. And if he took grade 10 typing he must've taken 9 too. I've always said that typing is the only useful skill I picked up at school; if Robbie took it for two years, the book oughta be a breeze.

Re the Clapton / Big Pink article, I knew the gist so skipped to the photos. Gotta love those captions, especially the one that helpfully points out, "Eric Clapton Carries Guitar Case". Thanks for that!


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Otis

For the Whiskey A Go-Go performances Otis Redding was accompanied by his early road band, which he later replaced with the Bar-Kays. He also worked with the Mar-Keys horn section and the Memphis Horns. Booker T. & the MGs, who played on his studio recordings, accompanied him on his 1967 European tour and at the Monterey Festival.

Out of Macon, Georgia, Mr. Redding was managed by the late Phil Walden. Before emerging on his own, he'd been a member of the Pinetoppers, the backing band for Johnny Jenkins, who was also managed by Mr. Walden. Walden of course later gained fame with the Allman Brothers Band and Capricorn Records.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Robin Hall and Jimmy McGregor

Peter:Jimmy McGregor was 80 this year and there were some interesting broadcasts. If I remember correctly, Robin Hall EPs are still sought by collectors.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Otis At The Whiskey

Interesting, I couldn't find Live On Sunset Strip on amazon.co.uk, so went to the US site where I found it right away, released May 18th. So I went back to the UK site and looked further. They have a US import with exactly the same sleeve, with the same title on the sleeve, but they list is as:

Double Shot: Live at the Whisky a Go Go

I'm guessing that an eventual UK release will have that title, but they're applying it now to the US one. There isn't much info, but it looks indeed as if it's the 1968 release with a CD's worth of bonus tracks. I'll order one.


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Posted by:

Peter V

On that Scottish link, I've suddenly started picking up early 60s folk EPs on labels like Topic, Transatlantic and Beltona. After being incredibly rare, they're appearing in numbers. I fear they're appearing for the same reason that late 50s rock vinyl is becoming easy to find, and therefore cheaper. The owners ar (at best) downsizing to smaller homes and ditching them, or (at the worst) dying.

Anyway, Saturday's find was The Galliards which was Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor (on Decca's Scottish and Irish label, Beltona). I picked it up because Leon Rosselson was in the group, who I mentioned last week. Leon added some Israeli folk songs to the mix. Interesting stuff from 1960.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Otis Redding

"Otis Redding: Live on the Sunset Strip" (Stax/Concord) is scheduled for release May 18th. The 2-CD set will feature Otis Redding's complete performances from his April 9-10, 1966 appearance at the Whiskey A Go-Go. Liner notes contain comments from Taj Mahal, whose group the Rising Sons (featuring Ry Cooder) opened for Mr. Redding during those shows.


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Other songs

There's also that Scottish link. A small country. Only every so often does an artist make it big. I also like Touissant's 'Play Something Sweet(Brickyard Blues' and the ballad 'With You In Mind'.

But if it hadn't been for the GB, I wouldn't have known the importance of Allen Touissant.

Or that Frankie recorded in Nashville and Muscle Shoals or indeed anything about Muscle Shoals.(Thanks Bumbles)

Or that Brinsley Schwartz backed him.(Thanks Rod)

But I always knew that Frankie's own compositions have been recorded by many artists.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shoo-rah! Shoo-rah!

It may be the one you hear first, as so often. I like Frankie Miller myself, but don't have the album. You need to hear the Betty Wright, which was the 1974 hit version (UK #27). The title (to me) is so quintessentially "girl group" that it just feels right with a female singer. On the other hand, Manfred Mann did a credible version of Do Wah Diddy Diddy, and you could say the same about the title. I probably just about prefer it to The Exciters original version, but I'd known the Manfred Mann for years before I heard The Exciters.

The other prominent girl-group song that comes to mind by a white male artist is "I'm Into Something Good" but there the Earl-Jean version is vastly superior to Herman's Hermits (and in that case I heard Herman first too).


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Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: High Life

I think High Life is a very good Frankie Miller/Alan Touissant album. Still play it quite often


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Otis At The Whiskey

The old "In Person at the Whiskey A-Go-Go" album is still available on CD (recorded 1966, released 1968). See link to amazon. Is this story of a new one? It's slightly fake as it shares a track or two with Live in Europe.

My memory isn't pinpoint sharp on this, but there was a story about Bob Dylan persuading Mickey Jones to join him in 1966 (as the best paid one of the five) while watching Otis Redding at the Whiskey A-Go-Go.

On fake live albums, I'm reading the fascinating story of Casablanca Records by ex-director Larry Harris. This is one for anyone associated with music to digest and learn from. If you don't believe the charts were fixed throughout the 70s or the Mob weren't deeply involved with the music business, read it. Anyway, he tells the tale of recording the first KISS live album. Because they were running about so much on stage they would forget to sing. At all. He says that in spite of five days with a mobile studio, it was virtually all overdubbed except the drummer. An engineer told me years ago that everything live had some overdubbing, but the secret of making it sound live was to preserve the drum track. Anyone make a connection there?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Q&a With Robbie Robertson
Reflections on the Age of a 'Real' Rock Band
January 19, 1994
ROBERT HILBURN, TIMES POP MUSIC CRITIC


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: last waltz dvd

I'd sure love to see/hear the bluray LW, but don't have the resources right now...unless one has a damn good/big TV and sound system, it's not really worth it, is it?

I assume that the latest repackaging is meant to stimulate bluray sales in our rotten economy...that they can sell an "old" format along w/bluray for less than $20 says something about how cheap these things must be to produce...the package and the marketing probably accounts for a lot of the retail price.

my life ain't gonna be complete, however, until i have a chance to see/hear the film in a theater...have never experienced that, am envious of those who have!! guess i'll have to go to someplace like NYC to have a chance of that.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Upper Jenkins Cove

Subject: Norah Jones

All you middle aged (to be generous) guys who were seduced by Norah Jones eight years ago (there were millions of us) should give it another shot.

Back then I used to get bored after five or six songs and never got to know 'side two'. I hadn't played 'Come Away With Me' in about seven years (fickle or what) but I've been playing side two esp. 'The Nearness of You' all weekend.

Rumours of a new 'Otis at the Whiskey' album. May be old news to some here.



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Posted by:

Charlie Y

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: TLW Mention in TIME

It was odd to see "The Last Waltz" among the items on TIME magazine's "Short List" this week since the film came out on DVD long ago and Blu-Ray a while back as well. As far as I can tell, the new release combines both formats (why?). The magazine also misses the history by telling readers the event happened "when members of the rock quintet the Band wanted to call it quits."


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: He ain't heavy - he's my brother

Maybe you're right Norbert, who knows? The whole thing here is, Steve's constant whining and ragging for years now. This has all just been allegation & conjecture, never once anything at all to substanciate any of this. So the only conclusion is he's full of bull or he would have something to back up this constant crap.

I have been to court a few times in business, as I'm sure others have. I've taken guys to court who didn't pay bills they owed. Four times on my own without help of a lawyer because I learned quite a few things, and I won every time. What you have to do is not bull shit your self. Make sure you are right, and do your home work to prove it.

In our country at least, judges have a term, where no written contract is present. There has to be a "meeting of the minds". In other words both parties are on "the same page" as to their thinking about a particular situation, "deal" or whatever the case may be. If one person only "assumes" some one is going to do something, and they do something different, you deal with it. Any (after the fact) stuff is just a lot of bull shit.

If any one feels this is a moral issue then it becomes easy to say, well you owe me this or that because I'm a nice guy, and we're buddies. How in hell would any business ever get done if things worked that way.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: Great Underrated Moments in Manuelia

Rags and Bones--a favorite of mine. The lyrics conjure up a multitude of images and sounds, like in the movies and short stories, and Richard is a wonderful narrator. We'd follow him anywhere.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: Facebook/Joan

Hi Joan, sorry about that, you should be able to send me a message now, Thanx!!


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland (lawrence kansas)

Subject: Levon in the heartland

Just found out that Levon is slated to play Kansas City, Missouri on July 5!!!

I'm planning on being there--it'll be the first time I've been to one of his performances since November 1983, when the reunited Band played at the Rainbow Music Hall in Denver, Colorado.

I was there!!! And loved every second of it. What a grand show.


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Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Union, ME

Subject: Imelda

I think Imelda has done some stuff with Jeff Beck....


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Levon's whining

Couldn’t it be Levon that started whining behind TLW for long time (WI) and then stopped whining (WII) and later, on second thought, started whining again (WIII)?


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Posted by:

Peter V

No knowledge of Imelda May … but I will look it up.

Gotta serve Somebody … it's hard to think it could be improved without (a) changing 100% of the abysmal lyrics and (b) writing a melody line for it, something it doesn't currently have. But again, I'll seek it out!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Stoned Confusion

I been tryin' to tell everyone you have a brain Steve, but every time you open yer mouth, you make me out to be a liar. Your assumption was Levon is whining. It's you that keeps up the whinig.

Even the cows don't want to listen any more. Wandering around the barn yard in a daze, "Somebody shoot me so I don't have to listen to that guy any more!".......poor cows.

You stoppped ever making any sense a long time back.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Norm, Did You Ever Have TO Make UP YOur Mind? Say Yes To One.....

Make up your mind Norm. Either Levon has spent a lifetime whining about it as you said in one post today, or as you've changed your tune to now, " I doubt Levon has thought about it in years". Pick one and stick to it will you. To quote your pal BUMBLES, " sloppy mind, sloppy posts.

Peter in your quest for "covers better than the original", I'd add another Dylan song.

I think, Shirley Caeser's, gospel cover of, Gotta Serve Somebody, kicks the song up to the next level. She sure owns the song now in my opinion.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ray Pence / Facebook

Ray, I went over to your page, but you don't have it set up to add friends or send a message.


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Posted by:

NB

Web: My link

Subject: Even More Imelda ("He's The Man")


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Posted by:

NB

Web: My link

Subject: More Imelda (if I) May ("I'll Go Crazy")


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Posted by:

Northern Boy

Web: My link

Subject: Imelda May (Peter, or anyone)

Despite her appearance on the Grammy's, I don't think she's caught on that big yet on our side of the pond. (She was merely the opening act in Vancouver at the Commodore Ballroom a couple of weeks ago for Jamie Cullum, whom I doubt I'd like; a friend of mine was there and saw her and said she'd be right up my alley, at least the blues and rockabilly end of her repetoire).

There's at least three Ray covers done by her on You Tube but I'd recommend a listen to "He's The Man" and "I'll Go Crazy", both performed at Sheffield University. Certainly, you must've caught her live at least once Peter. From just a quick listen to one of her CD's, I hear some Maria Muldaur in there. From what I've heard so far, I'll take her over many with larger reputations. NB

My names for people are just me "doin' the (linguistic) mess around". There's never any intent to be hurtful, but I'm confident you all get that already.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Richard

The voice.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: "Just" about enough

Why Levon's site. You are here, with your crusade. I doubt Levon Helm has thought about it in years. He gets on with his life. Why don't you?

Every one here contributes web sites to look at about music. David Powell's interesting posts about music. Brown Eyed Angelina's many interesting web pages she finds. Many, many others contribute to the music.

Your agenda is bitterness and confrontation. You must lead a boring, unhappy life out on that farm picking stones. If your not whining about Robbie, it's the American government, our government, health care, or some other part of the world that you know how to fix.

Get a gawd damn life!


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Posted by:

Peter V

Just checked out that New Orleans 1976 disc … Lee Dorsey and Robert Parker too, but totally out of print and unavailable. But amazon.co.uk's "People who bought this also bought …" in the Allen Toussaint section put Electric Dirt as first pick.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Shoorah, Shoorah

Thanks, David. I wasn't aware of that Allen Toussaint album with Shoo-Rah! Shoo-Rah! I did know that he drops the hyphens and exclamation marks though. One web reference says it was done for a Toussaint-produced Frankie Miller album, High Life. Listening to the Frankie Miller extract on iTunes, the Betty Wright version the same year blows it away. Her version surely sounds like a Toussaint production to me.

As I mentioned a couple of weeks back, I'm sure the lyric "You and the devil walking side-by-side" was a subliminal take from his arranging on the Rock of Ages show.

My listening today has been Wynder K. Frog (aka Mick Weaver) on his 1968 Hammond-driven "Out of The Frying Pan" album. If you like Hammond and horns, check it out.


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Posted by:

Steve

Norm,it was legal, not necessarily just, but legal and it would be taken to a system that deals only with legality.

Good to see that you're concerned with Levon's image though. Maybe you should make that point over at his site.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Celebrating the Band

I believe this site was created to celebrate the music of the Band. On a paricular day like this, when people want to celebrate the life of Richard Manuel, his contributions to music that everyone loves. His contributions to the band. His family and his life.

To make inflammatory remarks about the Band and their dealings with one another, shows nothing but bad taste on such a day.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding: Allen Toussaint

The double-LP set "New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival 1976" on the Island label preserves performances from Irma Thomas, Earl King, Lee Dorsey, Ernie K-Doe, Robert Parker, Lightnin' Hopkins and Professor Longhair. The highlight, however, is a magnificent set performed by Allen Toussaint, which kicks off the album on side one. Accompanied by a full ensemble of New Orleans musicians, complete with a horn section and background singers, Mr. Toussaint performs blistering versions of HIGHLIFE, SWEET TOUCH OF LOVE, PLAY SOMETHING SWEET and SHOORAH, SHOORAH back-to-back without hardly taking a breath in-between. He then concluded his set with the inspirational FREEDOM FOR THE STALLION, a song that perfectly reflects the dignity and brilliance of its composer. With this performance, Mr. Toussaint breathed new highlife into his great songs with his smooth voice and stately grace on the piano. It doesn't get any better than this, brothers and sisters. "Lord have mercy, what'cha gonna do about the people who are prayin' to you".


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

One more before we go.....to the West End to celebrate Easter with family. I have to bring my own food as I don't eat pork....Oh well.

Anytime ray. :-D

TIME FOR A CHANGE
ERIC CLAPTON, THE BAND, AND MUSIC FROM BIG PINK
MARCH 4, 2010
From the desk of Contributing Editor, Eli M. Getson.
I liked the Rick and Hawk photo here. Many, many other photos and one for Deb too of Van Zandt.

Btw the artist I couldn't recall the other day was.....John Prine


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Heresay & Gossip

"What Robbie did at the time was legal". Every time you open yer mouth you prove that you think you are all knowing about "what Robbie did".

If you think that Levon left it to public opinion, then he proves what people have said for a long time. Spending a life time whining about something just makes you look bad.

In the book Levon talks many times how he consulted with his lawyer. I'm sure that if there was any injustice it would have been dealt with. Levon's lucky in one way. He didn't have you for a lawyer, or spokesman.


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Posted by:

Far East Man

Location: Union, ME

Subject: Richard

Many blessings to the friends and family of Richard Manuel on this here Easter Sunday. You wrote the book. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

I was just sent this link from Jambase, tying together various Richard Manuel pieces from YouTube.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Next up - AIN’T IN IT FOR MY HEALTH: A FILM ABOUT LEVON HELM. This movie shouldn’t work. It’s a documentary that spends most of its time just hanging around with the legendary drummer of The Band during a period of time when he released his first album in 25 years, and gets nominated for a Grammy. The majority of the film just hangs out with Helm while he goes to the doctor, works on a song, smokes pot, and welcomes the birth of his grandchild.

But it DOES work. Jacob Hatley directs one of the most interesting and compelling portraits of a musician I’ve seen in a long time. By the time it’s over, you don’t just have a stronger sense of Helm and his importance to rock music, you have a stronger sense of what it’s like to live the sort of life this legend has. His place in music history was something I’ve been aware of for a long time, but just how important he was to The Band and to Robbie Robertson’s writing was something of a revelation, as was the nature of the split between the two men. The movie doesn’t flinch from providing the darker side of Helm’s life, but in the end, he’s a riveting character who comes across profoundly committed to music and to life.

Helm contributed a track to an album of unfinished Hank Williams songs a while back, and the scenes of him and his producer working the song out and finishing the lyric are surprisingly involving. Williams had written all the verses and one line of the bridge of the song Helm did. I’m a writer, so maybe it’s just me, but I suspect you’ll find yourself doing what I did, and straining to come up with those lines yourself while you watch them wrestle with it. It’s a couple of pretty simple and small scenes, but I’ve never seen anything like ‘em in a music documentary before.

There’s also some great performances, including a mesmerizing cover of Bruce Springsteen’s very great Atlantic City. Helm’s bluegrass version kills."

The Runaways....I was pleasantly surprised that I really enjoyed this film. In one scene Joan Jett sadly states how she wrote all the songs and that Cherie just sang them. She was always getting the most attention in the band. You could see how protective writers are of their work and yet.....The one who delivers the song......can make the song known all around the world.....Anyway, I forgot about their cover of "Crimson and Clover"......I grew up with the original by Tommy James and The Shondells as Joan did as well, since we're about the same age....but The Runaways' version is just as good!

HOPPY HOPPY EASTER


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: Petulant Snark

Bob, if you're going to try and play NB's word games at least put an effort into it. Petula Snark would be just a first attempt and certainly not post worthy. At just a quick glance, Petulant Snark, jumps right out at you.

Here for you, as usual, Bob.


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Posted by:

Steve

Deb, it may actually matter to, Levon, since he has chosen the court of public opinion to air his case as opposed to the legal one where I'm sure he knew he had no grounds for a case since it seems what Robbie did was legal at the time.

Think of it in the same way American presidents and other heads of state are concerned about the way they will be remembered, "their political legacy".

Maybe at this point, Levon, is preparing his musical legacy.

Peter, why don't you just settle this with Bob. I think a pastel colored ascot will appease him and probably end the revolutionary war for him. Maybe a nice pink one he can tie around his forehead when he puts on his fake limp and plays his piccolo in his one man war of independence victory parade on the glorious 4th.


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: Richard Manuel

Richard Manuel, Artist and Soul Man--still miss him every day. I was blessed to attend a show by The Band in November 1983 at the Rainbow Music Hall in Denver, Colorado--small club, unforgettable performance.


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Posted by:

Jean

Subject: Remembering Richard

April 3, 1943 (4/3/43)


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Posted by:

ray pence, again

Subject: facebook

Hey if any of you fine fellow Band fans do Facebook please let me know, I join everything Band related on there I can, and I'm looking for more FB friends...


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Posted by:

ray pence

Subject: thanx Brown eyed girl

hey great website w/Roosevelt Stadium, why i think i sure will download, many thanx...if it's named after Franklin D. Roosevelt I like even more (even though, by today's warped American standards, even Teddy would be a socialist and that's no lie...)


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Posted by:

ray pence

Location: the heartland (lawrence kansas)

Subject: hello everyone

it's a great day here in flyover country...have spent part of it listening to various Band tracks on Wolfgangs Vault and reflecting on the glory that is Garth Hudson's musicianship...not just him, of course, but I like to focus sometimes on individual contributions while appreciating the whole...the Band holds up for repeated, obsessive listenings...in 2010 that's as true as it was in 1970...it's all good!!!


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Posted by:

bob w.

Subject: Petula Snark

If you read my post you would know that I made no attempt to debate songwriting credits. I don't know who is right and who is wrong in that matter. The point I made, Ascot, is that Robbie stated that his relationship is fine with Levon. You are the fucking know-it-all here, is that a true statement? He also stated that Levon's illness and subsequent financial issues were the cause of their falling out. Is that the truth?

Here's some truth. I've never been to a Ramble. Here's another truth. You look like a horse's ass for attempting to color people and comments as something they are not.


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Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: Richard

gets some well deserved love on the Jambands site


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Posted by:

Peter V

David P, one of the great conundrums is that, given two near-perfect songs called Colorado, should you play the Stephen Stills song, or the Flying Burrito Brothers one written by Rick Roberts? Tonight, it's Stephen Stills.

We did a bit on most played songs "of the week" last year. This week, my number one by a mile is Shoo-Rah! Shoo-Rah! written by Allen Toussaint, recorded by Betty Wright. My iTunes tell me I've played it thirty something times. Next comes "Battle Hymn of The New Socialist Party" written by Leon Rosselson in 1962. It's a hilarious version of "The Red Flag" with lyrics that work even better with Blair & Brown than they did in 1962.

Sample "Just to prove we're still sincere, we'll sing the Red Flag once a year." For our North American friends, the UK Labour Party closes its annual conference with a rendition of this song every year.

Most recently played LPs (only right through counts). "Transition" by Zoot Money and indeed "Blonde on Blonde".


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Posted by:

Norbert

Web: My link

Subject: Job’s Virtual Big Pink link

Forgot the link, (not BP of course), but to get the idea.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Steve Job’s Virtual Big Pink

As some of you already know, Steve Job a great Band fan, it’s said he surfs this site from time to time with his fast Apple. Anyway last year a Dutch firm, Zero Creative (Nijmegen) special made 3D Big Pink house for him, in all detail an exact copy toilet, kitchen, etc. etc.! This must has cost him a fortune. The 3D specialists made Big Pink with the Parallax Barrier technique; you need those green\red glasses to actually see the debts in the display. This year Steve additional ordered all Band members virtual in 3D mode, This virtul Band can walk, talk, sit and play! Jobs being a hobby drummer himself, with Ctrl-F-L he can fade Levon out in a split sec. and jam himself along with the rest of The Band. Picture him with sun glases and drum sticks in front of an enormous Apple laptop.

Some say this is the ultimate in virtual land, I think its spooky.

Great Easter days all.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: David Suzuki Band??????

Huh!????????.....David Suzuki ain't a musician!


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Posted by:

Deb

Unlike some folks here, I don't know any of the Band, obviously. I can only react to the public behavior of individuals who have chosen to live a certain portion of their lives in the public eye. So, from where I sit back here in the extremely cheap seats, I see almost two decades of one man laying out his grievances every chance that came along and another man making measured responses when he has to. Others obviously see it differently. As Bonk, Norm, and dozens of people have pointed out over the years, we don't know all of what happened and I suspect there are only three people now who do. Nor is it any of my business except that Levon has made it a highly public part of his story. I'm quite serious when I say that there are many things I respect about him, not the least of which is ability to inspire great loyalty, but the fact that he has chosen not to litigate and put the matter to rest, but to try this in the court of public opinion and chip away at someone's character over the years is not one of them. And the fact that I think that doesn't matter to anyone involved at all.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Manassas

Yes, I'm having trouble with my typing this morning. The song is IT DOESN'T MATTER, co-written and sung by Hillman and Stills. More recently, Mr. Hillman has recorded several great albums with his longtime collaborator Herb Perdersen, as well as a couple where they were joined by Tony Rice and his late brother Larry. The latter ensemble recorded a fine cover version of SO BEGINS THE TASK.


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Posted by:

Steve

Norm, ever since you made a comment about "all the stupid shit that comes out of David Suzuki's mouth," I've never taken anything you've said about me, that you consider to be negative, as an insult.

Please, pile it on, I'll supply the shovel. I bask in the glow of your ignorance.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Desert Rose Band

Also David......amoung Chris Hillman and some of the others roots of notable bands and good material.


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Posted by:

Claire

Subject: By this point it's far too long to write an accurate account . . .

Steve, if Garth wrote a book, would you say the same thing?

I would imagine that the notes Robbie wrote while writing the first three drafts of his book would be invaluable, especially since they were written "closer to the time of the story", and who knows, maybe even "fresher in the memory vault" than Levon's.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding: The First Manassas

No, I'm not talking about the Civil War -- I mean the excellent 1972 eponymous Atlantic debut album of Stephen Stills' group Manassas. Warner/Rhino has done a fine job with the new reissue of the double-LP, pressed on 180-gram vinyl remastered by Bernie Grundman. It faithfully replicates the textured heavy cardboard gatefold cover and poster inserts, but, more importantly, presents the sound with clear detail and depth against a quiet background. The tunes have held up well over the years, although I tend to favor the country/bluegrass songs over the extended blues/rock jams. Bandmembers Chris Hillan, Al Perkins, Dallas Taylor, Fuzzy Samuels, Paul Harris and Joe Lala are given room to shine on those songs, augmented with guests such as Byron Berline and Bill Wyman. Highlights include BOTH OF US (BOUND TO LOSE), FALLEN EAGLE, SO BEGINS THE TASK, IT DOESN'T, JOHNNY'S GARDEN, and BOUND TO FALL. Mr. Hillman, the former Byrd/Burrito Brother, was a major force in this group, showing off his talents as a singer, songwriter, guitarist and mandolin picker. Proving himself to be the comsumate professional, he was an excellent match with Mr. Stills, helping keep the latter's propensity for excess in check. This reissue provides a great musical journey into the past, bringing back memories for me of seeing the group perform at the University of Georgia Coliseum on tour in support of this album.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I’m sure that people who’ve attended a couple of Rambles and blushed with pleasure at shaking hands with Levon will know far more about him and claim a closer and deeper friendship than some mere guy who just played in bands with him for 18 years. They literally grew up together. I wonder whether Mr Helm would rather share an hour chatting to Robbie about their many shared memories or listen to the likes of Bob “Bubba” Wigo in the parking lot telling him he's a genius, and yes that Robertson … and probably that Dylan guy too … stole all his due credits? Don't forget Levon was in his band when most of Blonde on Blonde (another BoB) was conceived in Bob (D)'s mind.

I very much hope he’d have the sense to prefer the former.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Questions

I forgot Todd, the use of the word, "thrown" could have been a better word if you feel it was used hap hazardly. It wasn't meant to be insulting, although I don't agree every question was put to Sebastian carefully or tastefully. Every one isn't like you.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: This Wheels Burned Out!

Aw c'mon Todd.....I was just making a joke of it too. Hi Todd!! I don't think Sebastian was having any body on tho' he seems like a pretty serious young guy about this stuff.

Who knows what communication they may have had with the web master about how to post all these answers....length of posts, what ever else it takes. There of course is bound to be a great amount of discussion to follow. Of course there are those like, the stoned farmer is a good example. He already has his mind made up on how it will be. Of course he would be most upset if he wasn't consulted to write the book......he knows it all.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Many photos of The Band with Dylan 1974.

I would like to read in Robbie's book about his short time at RH KIng Academy in Scarberia, Toronto. He could consult with one of my friends who was in his grade 10 typing and Math classes if he can't remember this time. ;-D


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Arts: Do it, puke and get out: 'The Last Waltz' made music and cinema history. The final concert by The Band, starring their famous friends, it became a Martin Scorsese film, rated the best rock movie of all. But behind the scenes, there was mayhem. Levon Helm of The Band tells the inside story.

Abridged from 'This Wheel's on Fire', by Levon Helm with Stephen Davis Sunday, 10 April 1994

....to be continued....Robbie will soon tell his inside story.

Two of my family members had a fuuuued until one passed away. I believed the story of the one I lived with for many years. I'm sure a lot of the story was true. When I realized that I was becoming as bitter as one of my family members I finally after many years decided to forgive the other family member who was still alive. When I finally heard their story.......All I can say is that I didn't know what was true or real anymore......


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Posted by:

Steve

I wonder who the three guys who can't tell the story as good as him are.

By this point it's far too long to write an accurate account of what happened all those decades ago.

Peter when you pointed out that your friend said he was at the concert and you " know" he wasn't there's a 50-50 chance you're right. Remember, he's as sure he was there as you are that he wasn't.

On a lighter note, Robbie, could always use TWOF as a reference.

As Robbie said, Levon remembers details and the book was written much closer to the time of the story than Robbie's will be so a little fresher in the memory vault.

If Robbie has really tried to put this down on paper already and possibly 3 times, then the memories will really be corrupted.

Norm, if Robbie's book is a hard cover maybe you shouldn't let Craig near it.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I think RR's book is going to be much more than a Band book. Considering it will be around 35 years of a career w/o the Band that he can write about as well. I would venture to guess he'll add a page or two of thoughts on the reformed Band but not much. He'll probably give a nod to the feud but not much since he hasn't given it much in all these years, no need in a book. Levon's had the venom, RR has never shown it, so I wouldn't expect any kind of bad mouthing or anything like that in it either. And maybe RR and Levon have set things aside. We don't hear Levon say anything bad about those times anymore, so maybe with his own solo success, and a touch of time, he has put that ill will to bed. They don't have to be at each others bar-b-ques anymore but they can certainly be at a place where things are ok now.

I look forward to RR's book - it will be ego-centric I have no doubt, but an editor will tone that down some or a ghost writer will be employed to smooth out the edges. Still, after listening to RR interviews all these years, there will most likely be a lot of "I" as oppossed to "we".


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Posted by:

bob w.

I am very happy to hear there will be a new album and that Robbie is partnering with great musicians. Unfortunately, his interview leaves a few questions for those of us who have been following along all these years.

"My relationship is fine with both of them." As everyone here knows, that isn't the case.

"I think for Levon, bcause I left the group and then some years later he got ill and was having some financial rough times, I just became the guy that ruined whatever it was that he had going."

Again, common knowledge is that Levon voiced his contentions with Robbie many, many years before any illness and subsequent problems. Robbie's statement would have the casual fan believe it was solely the hardship born of Levon's health issues that created their differences. Again, everyone here knows that isn't the case.

But don't forget, Robbie's book will be the "best picture".


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: NY

Subject: The Band

Over the years I've been waiting for Robbie to mention that about 12 years ago he took a call from Woodstock and all Ezra could say was, "Levon has cancer." Since Ezra and Robbie had always been friendly, I guess Ezzy got "volunteered." The main thrust was that Levon had some money coming from a future royalty and he needed an advance. Robbie was in a position to authorize the advance and he did. I like to think that Robbie remembered the days of their "brotherhood," but maybe there was some other reason for his help.

Just spitballing, but if you had both Randy and Garth (on accordian) sit in with your band, what Band songs would you cover? Acadian Driftwood, The Weight, Cripple Creek, and Atlantic City are already on the list. If Garth had a keyboard we could do "Chest Fever" and "Genetic Method." Randy has sung the lead on that for years. And it would be great to slide off the stage just long enough to get a glass of wine.


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Posted by:

Peter V

In fact my reading of stuff on memory suggests that first person narrators are never as accurate as they think. There are some mis-remembered minor factual points of date / detail that someone pointed out in Stephen Davies’ novel (and I can’t remember what they are). I was listening to a friend describe in glowing terms to other people in my presence how we went to see The Beatles together. We didn’t. I went. He didn’t. I didn’t correct him. We create our memories. Facts we can check. Emotions, reactions we have to trust what our memories have created.

On the other hand, TWOT has quite extensive interview quotes from Rick Danko and others which enrich the picture. Robbie’s book might suffer a little from not having that … though no doubt there are many who were around who can be interviewed. But he also has all the interviews that he gave over the years, and he was always the spokesman. Re-reading what he said at the time is a great memory jog. I would assume it will be the the best picture because there’s no axe to grind. BUT please don’t tell the “They booed us everywhere they went” story more than once, nor with a chuckle as if no one knew that.


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Posted by:

Peter V

I expect you’re all much more placid and easy-going than me (insert 24 point Smiley) but haven’t any of you fallen out with family or friends badly, years ago? Then found that in a forced meeting twenty years on that you’re actually delighted to see that person again and that the good memories then outweigh the later bad feeling?


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Hi Deb. Exactly, but not quite.

I don't recall Levon ever mentioning in an interview that he would consult with Robbie to refresh his memory if necessary. And Robbie seems pretty clear that his book will be the one book, of the many tomes written on the subject, that will be the accurate one. A lofty goal like that could benefit from some additional perspective to round out the picture don't ya think?.....Just like the songs did...(Whoops, did I say that out loud) ;-)

But I think that it's pretty clear that Robbie wants this to be his version, and I think that he's perfectly entitled to that. I'm sure he's got some stories to tell and he has a way with words. It should be a fun ride.

But, in the pursuit of accuracy, it seems that any hard feeling that may have developed between Levon and Robbie happened many, many years before Levon's illness in the late 1990's....I'm sure that didn't help the situation....especially the financial hard times that resulted from it, but I doubt that it was the root cause of any acrimony, which probably started in the late 70's or early 80's.

On balance, I suppose we should all be happy that all three surviving members are still creating music and that the legacy they helped to create is still valid today and that much of their music is timeless. Who would have thought ten years ago that we'd still be able to talk about much of this in the present tense, rather than in a historical context? I'd say that we're pretty lucky as fans, although I still miss Richard and Rick. Can you imagine the kind of fun that they'd have at a Ramble!


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Questions Questions and more Questions

And another thing Mr. Norm....we didn't "throw" our questions at Sebastian. He brought it up, and told us to not hold back. It seemed at the time that he was really looking to clear the air and lay all the cards on the table in hopes of clearing up any perceived misconceptions that he felt that people may have had regarding Robbie. It was almost presented as a challenge to us..... And there was no pretense mentioned of having to wait for a book. So I think that it's reasonable for people who respectfully submitted questions to get their curiosity satisfied. Fair enough??

Looking forward to the new album. It will be nice to hear some high energy guitar work from Robbie, Clapton, Winwood, Randolph and company.


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Posted by:

Deb

Todd, you mean like Levon and Steven Davis consulted Robbie? :o)


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Posted by:

daena (said dana)

Location: florida

Subject: good point westcoaster ..i tend to agree ..

westcoaster i tend to agree that most people only want answers they want insted of the truth if it does'nt equal what they think it should , but i think that's true from most people who see themselfs as fans of someone who others see as famous .. it suck's , and should'nt be that way , but people can't stop others from being unreasonable now can they ? well i soppose that's all i gotta say for now , so to all a good bye , and a goodnight .. yeah i know that sounds like something i should say around christmas-time ..


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Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Book

Hey Westcoaster, If we're all helping Robbie with his book research by providing high quality tasty questions that have been finely honed by years of batting the ball around in this Guestbook, shouldn't we at least get a piece of the action?! Or at least a heartfelt acknowledgment somewhere in the jacket copy.......I mean, some of us have bumps and bruises to show for our efforts, that we've picked up along the journey. The GB....it's can be an impossible way of life. I hope that you know that I'm just having some fun with you. I don't ACTUALLY expect payment. Most of us do this as a public service.

It was very generous of Sebastian to offer to get our questions answered, and it's too bad he doesn't pop in more often. But as you say, if we don't get them here, maybe some of them will show up in the book. But to be fair, he did answer some of our question along the way. It was in these very pages that we found out about the origins of JRR's name, which is something that has never turned up in any interview that I've read over the years. It's little tidbits like that that I find interesting.

The comments from Robbie in Mojo were interesting. Glad to hear that everything is fine. I think it would be wonderful if Robbie consulted with Garth and Levon for book research. I'm sure Robbie's memory is excellent, but I seem to remember him saying around the time of AMH or TLW reissue that Levon has the best memory for remembering details. It would be a shame not to draw on that. I'm sure that Garth would have some interesting insights as well.



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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: The "Inquisition"

Did any one ever bother to count how many questions were thrown at Sebastian and Robbie?? Most questions that I recall seeing required a great deal more than a yes or no answer.

I doubt that, if you were going to do it consciencitously and honestly it could be done in a short time. Perhaps these questions do require a "book" to answer them all. So you have to buy the book and all your questions will be answered. Yeah!! That's what I'd do.....Y'ALL WANT ANSWERS???...YOU'LL GET YER GAWD DAMN ANSWERS!! in the way that y'all deserve.

People that already have their minds made up on some of these subjects wouldn't accept an answer they didn't believe any way. It's just a gawd damn inquisition!


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Posted by:

BONK

Subject: RR

I think when he seen all the questions that Sebastian showed/asked him, things that he hadn't thought about in years, it opened up his memory vault and has now prompted him to write his Bio. I'll bet all our questions will be answered in the book. At least I hope so.


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Posted by:

Norbert

David , we'll never get those, but Sebastian tried, he's just a kid, we'll understand.


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Posted by:

Jan F.

Location: metro DC

Jan H - I agree with Joan . . .good job. Get those new oil wells humming . . . gotta get enough to pay JRR - it just wouldn't be the same without him!

Jan F.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: R.R.

Robbie got the Mojo working, but what happened to the answers to some of those GB questions that Sebastian was going to relay to his father?


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Film aficionados capable of tuning in TVO (Ontario, parts of upstate New York) can catch Levon as "the old man with a radio" at 10:30 p.m. EDT Saturday in the 2005 Tommy Lee Jones-directed film The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, in which Jones also stars.


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest - Blowin' in the Wind

Subject: Sweet Magnolia Blossom

Northern Buoy! Can I beg your forgivness? I don't know a whole lot about Augusta, although I am a golfer, (when I get time). We call it whack-fuck......well you know why.

I don't know if you've felt any of the breezes up there, but down here, it has been HOWLIN! Blew all the blossoms off my manolia tree gawd damn it.

Being as you can't make it by, I'm going to give you the lyric of a song Sammy Kershaw used to play, it's on a '93 album, (I can't remember the name at the moment.) Come to think about it, I got to look and see who wrote this.....damnest lyrics.

"Still Loving You."

I thought you might wanna stay, if I put my guitar away,

Quit the band and came home to stay, but that wouldn't do.

This old guitar of mine, used to ease my troubled mind,

But now every day I find, that it's lonesome too.

Here I go again, blowin' my show again, unable to glow again

Still lovin you.......loosin' my hope again, at the end of my rope again

Unable to cope again, still lovin' you.

I must have been a million miles, I must have faked a million smiles.

I just can't get reconsiled, to me without you.

I'd like to start again, and replay my part again,

And not break your heart again, I can't stand these blues.

Here I go again............


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Mojo interview, May 2010 issue

I picked it up this morning. Here it goes. Three quotes most relevant to our usual discussions. Buy the mag to read about Shutter island and Greil Marcus. Excellent full length piece on Lowell George in the same issue.

Mojo: Any sign of a new solo album?

RR: I’m just finishing it up. I’m in New York right now. I play a lot of talking guitar stuff back and forth with Tom Morello, Eric Clapton, Steve Winwood and Robert Randolph. It’s wailing guitars which I have never really done on an album since playing with Bob Dylan in 1966.

Mojo: And you’re working on an autobiography?

RR: I am. Over the years I’ve attempted this with three different people and I just thought, “This is lazy, these guys can’t tell the stories as good as me, and I was there!” Most of the books written about me and The Band may have been done with good meaning, but they’re incredibly inaccurate.

Mojo; Will you go back and talk to Levon Helm and Garth Hudson?

RR: If there’s something I can’t remember I would ask for their help but I’m pretty good on recall. My relationship is fine with both of them. I think for Levon, bcause I left the group and then some years later he got ill and was having some financial rough times, I just became the guy that ruined whatever it was that he had going. But I had to do what I had to do for many reasons. I wish them all the best in the world. I love these guys, my brothers, and as time goes by and people get angry they need somebody to be angry at, so I’m kind of understanding of it.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jubilation - The Band -1998
by Rees Candee
4 months ago

I hope everyone has a good Passover and Easter or just a long weekend.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Martin Robbie Robertson 00-42 K 2 at Portland Music Company


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

SATURDAY, MARCH 20, 2010
Road Trip: Woodstock & Levon Helm's Midnight Ramble
IN THIS LIGHT A WEEKLY BLOG OF IMAGES AND NARRATIVE

"Arrange what pieces come your way." ~ Virginia Woolf


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Posted by:

Peter V

Personally, I think it was a plot by car manufacturers who already had vertical bars on the radiator grill (BMW, Mercedes) to exert undue influence over their rivals who would have to stick a large barcode plate on. It'll be coming to North America.

Norm, if you can eat enough pomegranate seed, blueberry and pistachio you'll live forever.


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: "They Were Walking Up This Long Driveway, I Guess"

I can't say I've ever heard the entering of Augusta National's stately and famous "Magnolia Lane" described in quite that poetic a way, Norm. You seafaring-types sure have that whole yarn-telling thing down pat.

Speaking of which, you buying that dubious car bar code thing Peter the Deleter posted today ? Myself, I'm thinking April Fool's gag. However, I'm not buying his buying of any Pete Seeger album earlier in the month ! Just as I believe there are physical limits to suspension bridges, likewise there are human limits to the suspension of disbelief. NB


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Posted by:

TheProfessor

Location: Nashville Tennessee
Web: My link

...I have not posted here is a year or more, well since right after 'Dirt Farmer' came out ...and I might have posted under TheProfessor69 ... am I at the right site. My computer died around that time and then I lost 3 family members and , well ... what is the moderator's name ?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Stay Healthy

KO! Some of youse, I'm sure know this. I didn't but then I'm kind of a ignorant old sea dawg about such things.

I turn on internet this morning, and the first head line that pops up is about what the healtiest thing you can eat now is. This delightful little snack, is full of over 30 vitamins. Research has proven it is an inhibitor for some cancers, is good for heart disease. Pystachio nuts.

Susan told me , oh yeah, they're really good. So I went and bought some. Those little critters are tasty...so OK. That's my contribution for the day.

Now I'll have "Young Blood" Bill.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: If My Memory Serves Me Well

Kevin, it's a GB tradition. When was the last time you saw a post from Roger?

Peter, you almost had me with the barcodes on cars. It was the curvaceous Jaguar that leaped out at me and got my attention.

You should have posted the story about ferrets tunneling down to underground cables to deliver info and help speed up internet messaging.


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: April 1

Jan :I was disappointed this morning but you came through. :-)


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Posted by:

Simon

I didn't see anything like that, Kevin, but I didn't have my reading glasses on me (or even the money to buy the mag, but that's not uncommon these days) and in any case I only gave it a quick scan so I could have missed things. I remember something about poached eggs and not-since-1966 guitar stuff. T#662200">Simon I didn't see anything like that, Kevin, but I didn't have my reading glasses on me (or even the money to buy the mag, but that's not uncommon these days) and in any case I only gave it a quick scan so I could have missed things. I remember something about poached eggs and not-since-1966 guitar stuff. There were comments about an autobiography too. Mojo always used to be an automatic purchase and I do buy it most months, even at £4.50. BTW I still haven't seen the Joe Strummer documentary but will get that soon.


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Posted by:

Kevin J

Thanks Simon....So I guess Roger was pulling our leg on rapprochement with Levon......


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Bill M.

Was Johnny Bower one of Harold Ballard's Midnighters before going off on his solo career ? (I used to tell Bumbles he was in the running for the Harold Ballard Humanitarian Award, but got only shrugs in return). And you never did give me an approximate number for how many former-Hawks you think are soaring around out there. (Robbie Lane, Eugene Smith, Jack DeKeyser,etc.) I'm sure Basil would've told me if he had the same musical background that you do. NB


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Posted by:

NB

Location: apparently NOT the base camp of Mt. Olympus, as previously assumed

Subject: Basil F

The very same sloth, I suppose, that kept Bill from pointing this out to me himself. And all along I've been thinking what a great guy he is, but I suspect you know him way better than I do. Oh well, if dlew can be dlewded then I suppose anyone can. NB


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Posted by:

Simon

Web: My link

Subject: Mojo mag/Oil City Confidential

I had a quick skim through the new Mojo earlier and there is a one page interview with Robbie ... I'll get it tomorrow and post it here. Also found a trailer (see link) for the new Julien Temple movie "Oil City Confidential", about Dr Feelgood. I think Dunc mentioned it a few weeks ago. It does look like it's worth seeing. Wilko Johnson is certainly one of the great British eccentrics and Telecaster players. P.S. Robbie does mention something about his new album containing a bit of loud guitar here and there.


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: But I digress...

Joan: Yes, the Rondells. Not to be confused with Bill Deal and the Rondels, a Virginia Beach group from the late '60s that recorded such hits as Maurice Williams' "May I", along with "I've Been Hurt" and "What Kind of Fool Do You Think I Am", two songs by Atlantan Ray Whitley which were earlier hits for The Tams. The latter beach music classics were also featured in the Steve Buscemi film "Trees Lounge".


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: The Cyrkle

They were a bunch of guys out of Lafayette U. They were pretty much a bar band that played at frat parties around the PA, NY area. At that time they were the Rondels or Ronels. (Not sure which)


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Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding: John Simon & The Cyrkle

I've recently been revisiting the 1966 album "Red Rubber Ball" by The Cyrkle, which was produced by John Simon. My reference copy is an early mono pressing of the Columbia LP.

The group consisted of Tom Dawes (vocals, bass, sitar, guitar & harmonica), Don Dannemann (voclas & guitar), Earle Pickens (keyboards) and Marty Fried (drums & percussion). At the time John Simon was an up & coming associate producer in the pop department at Columbia Records. On this album, recorded at Columbia's Studio B in New York, he was assisted by the legendary engineer Roy Halee.

As Tom Dawes later recounted in an interview with MIX magazine, "John Simon was the catalyst: He had interesting musical ideas, played keyboard really well and drove the boat. He was the real deal, like [Roy] Halee...Roy was the engineering king at the time. A lot of equipment was primitive, but he could make anything sound good -- he'd make those limiters sing."

The LP's bouncy [pun intended] hit title cut, "Red Rubber Ball", written by Paul Simon and Bruce Woodley of The Seekers, is the highlight of the album. It featured Dannemann & Dawes doubled vocals, Dannemann on electric guitar (Fender Strat through a Fender Bandmaster amp), Dawes on acoustic guitar & overdubbed bass, Fried on drums and Simon on Hammond organ calliope. In addition, another key signature to the recording featured Dawes & Simon overdubbing tambourines on the "think...it's gonna be all right" part in the chorus.

The other stand-out tracks on the record are "Turn-Down Day", featuring Dawes on sitar, and "Cloudy", another Simon/Woodley composition that also appeared shortly thereafter on Simon & Garfunkel's "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme".

On the strength of this record, along with their manager's connections with Brian Epstein, The Cyrkle wound up as an opening act on the Beatles 1966 farewell tour. Unfortunately the group, like many acts from that era, soon faded out of sight after recording a less successful follow-up album.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: not "Youngblood" but ...

... "The Continental" by Hank Ballard and the Midnighters?


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Name That Tune!

I saw her standin' on the corner....ou,ou,ooo


Entered at Thu Apr 1 16:21:18 CEST 2010 from bas4-toronto06-1242458910.dsl.bell.ca (74.14.107.30)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Roger: I had thought your post was an April Fools joke but apparently not......looks like a good issue with Paul Weller and Lowell George also profiled....

Joan/Basil: Almost too funny to believe but I will stay away!


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Posted by:

westcoaster

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Lawn Bowling!!

Hell I was sure that's what you meant Northern Buoy, Yeah... Augusta lawn bowling.......well enjoy the festivities.

Hey talking 'bout lawn bowling, you should see the lawn bowling and tennis place up at the old town site in Powell River. That lawn bowling field, or what ever they call it, is the most perfectly kept piece of ground you could ever see. They're serious about it up there I guess.

I knew a couple guys in Courtenay who went to Augusta. One night I was playing in Gulliver's pub in the Westerly Hotel in Courtenay.....I don't know around 1991 or so. These guys were very avvid golfers, and were on a holiday in the deep south. They ended up in Georgia, and decided they just had to see that golf course at Augusta. He says they were walking up this long drive way I guess, and this very large black gentleman, (security fella) comes down on a golf cart. Asks them what are you fellas doing here? They explain where they are from, just want to see the place and maybe get some souvinier. He says, well this is as far as you can go. If you'll wait here I'll bring you some. So he comes back with a cart with a rack of golf shirts, gloves, golf ball etc. He says you may take one of each with my compliments, because you have come so far, but I can't let you up there. So what'er they hidin'?????


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Posted by:

Basil F

Kevin J: Don't mention the chat room. I did once, but I got away with it.

NB: Bill M tells me that you don't have to join the TBS in order to subscribe to the weekly "What's On" newsletter. In fact, deeply ingrained sloth has kept the guy from renewing his own membership.


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Posted by:

Ilkka's Dog

Location: Pink painted doghouse

Subject: You'd better read what Bob Dylan says about you, Master.

This is what Bob Dylan says about The Band Guestbook in Martin Scorsese’s new motion picture ”No Direction Home Vol. 2”. To get a second opinion I asked LEON DENER's DOG to comment this sensational leak. The answer was "IT'S BULLSHIT !!!!"

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

MARTY SCORSESE: - No Direction Home volume two. Bob Dylan speaking about The Band Guestbook. Take one.

BOB DYLAN: - Is it rolling, Marty?

MARTY SCORSESE: - Yes. How did you get to guestbook?

BOB DYLAN: - I rode a freight train to look for money and love.

MARTY SCORSESE: - Oh c'mon Bob, start again! No Direction Home volume two. Bob Dylan speaking about The Band Guestbook. Take two .

BOB DYLAN: - Someone had told me to go there. This gb was like a subterranean tavern, liquorless, ill lit, ugly painted in dark brown. JAN HOIBERG was the Master of Ceremony and the Maestro in Charge. I asked him if I could post in gb. He answered “go to Hellsinki”. He could have been nicer.

MARTY SCORSESE: - Did you find your place among other contributors easily?

BOB DYLAN: - No. Gbers were a disjoined and awkward collection of collegiate types, suburbanites, rock journalist wannabees, female lunch-hour teachers, ventriloquists and rabbit-in-the-hat magicians and a guy wearing a turban. Nothing that would change your view of the world.

MARTY SCORSESE: - I don't understand. There were regulars like PETER V.

BOB DYLAN: - Everybody posted ten or fifteen lines. He would post for however long he felt, however long the inspiration would last. He had the flow, dressed conservatively, with an enigmatical gaze and an angry and powerful baritone voice. He was the emperor of gb. You couldn't touch him. Peter V was a man down there. Still I would not have had Jan's job for anything...

MARTY SCORSESE: -... but why, Bob, why is that?

BOB DYLAN: - ...because Jan was constantly pestered and pressured by moocher types who wanted to post one thing and another. The saddest character of all was a Finn named ILKKA. He also called himself for WOODLARK . I hope he was an early bird because Jan would usually let him post sometime during the morning when gb was empty. He’d spent sixteen days and nights in asylum but on the seventeeth he burst. Also burned a mattress there. Sailing on Titanic I would not have wanted to share lifeboat with that fella. SUNDOG posted in gb, too, but most of the time he played bamboo pipes and silver bells.

MARTY SCORSESE: - There has never been that many female regulars, right?

BOB DYLAN: - Tell me about it, they were mistreated by these people. Constantly. My favourite was DIAMOND LIL. She is a white blues singer. Funky, lanky and sultry. I'd actually met her, run across her the previous summer outside of Reno. She has a voice like Billie Holiday's. We did a couple of country songs together in a local folk club.

MARTY SCORSESE: - Did you stay in Little Pink when NORBERT was in charge?

BOB DYLAN: - Norbert is a trip. Being ladies man and living in Andalusia in Spain he has scars on his hard bitten face after several duels.

MARTY SCORSESE: - Did you ever get to meet JAN HOIBERG?

BOB DYLAN: - No. We never talked personal at all. Hardly being polite and absolutely not friendly. I heard stuff about him, that he was an errant sailor, harboured a skiff in Norway, had hooker friends and shadowy past. Whatever it was, it wasn't a huge story. He always tried to make a place for most gbers and was as diplomatic as possible. I believe gbers sympathized with him, would likely had given him pocket change and say "Here... so you'll keep out of trouble."

MARTY SCORSESE: - Your identity is a well-kept secret in gb. Could you tell us who you are?

BOB DYLAN: - CHARLIE Y posted that I write about same issues in my “CHRONICLES” as gbers used to do. Charlie made me nervous. He came close.

. MARTY SCORSESE: - That was not an answer to my question.

BOB DYLAN: - I am the pathetic female imitator and ventriloquist Miss RICHARDSON. Did you get everything you need now, Marty?


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: April Fools / Norbert

Back in good ol' days my friend NORBERT and I had a lot of fun of posting April Fool jokes. We could plan them for weeks - some of the best parts of my life and certainly the best part of my internet life! We published them mostly in our personal websites which are gone now, I suppose. The most memorable was Norbert's joke about publishing the gb in a book format. When you clicked on a link you could see the recent posts and how they would have appeared as a real book in paper.


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Posted by:

Steve

Roger and Peter, will you be headed, once again, to Switzerland for the annual spaghetti harvest? Better hurry, time is short.


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Posted by:

Steve

Subject: School PA Song

Rag Mama Rag, something peppy to get the kids going early in the morning. It's also got the only Band lyric that my kids thought worthy of repeating; It's dog eat dog and cat eat mouse, you can rag mama rag all over my house.


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Posted by:

Roger Woods

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Latest Mojo

Anyone have the latest issue of Mojo to hand? There's a good interview with Robbie Robertson following the release of Shutter Island in which he announces that he's writing a biography and drops a big hint about a rapprochement with Levon and reunion tour. Any news out there?


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Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Barcodes

Much as I believe in linking rather than cutting and pasting, I saw this article this morning, which is worrying and it wouldn't link. So apologies for reproducing it in full.

Brussels Goes Barcoding Mad

Bad news for D3REK

The Department of Transport announced yesterday that the United Kingdom has until January 1st 2011 before introducing new Brussels legislation on barcodes for cars. It seems that number plate recognition systems have a high failure rate unless they are tuned exactly to the style and colour of number plate used in a particular country. As speed cameras proliferate across Europe, drivers are flouting the law with abandon outside their own countries. Future schemes for road charging will rely on a simple and effective number recognition system. The European Harmonisation Commission (EHC) has ruled that cars must carry a barcode registration recognisable by speed and toll charging cameras in all European countries. The new barcode will be about 70% larger than the current UK registration plate, and must be displayed on the front and rear of all vehicles. The codes will be pan-European, unchangeable and will last for the life of the vehicle.

The barcode can be bent over curved surfaces to a reasonable degree, and for many vehicles can be retro-fitted easily. The Mayor of London has welcomed the move as an aid to enforcing congestion charges, and says that the barcodes will be easier for cameras to read, enabling the introduction of congestion charges across wider areas of the city.

Some manufacturers have expressed particular concern to the EHC, and Jaguar, with the curvaceous front on older vehicles, will be badly affected. A spokesperson said that it was a further example of Brussels madness. Environmental groups point out that the addition of a larger flat plate to the front of cars will impair aerodynamics and add to fuel costs. Mercedes-Benz are in favour of the plans, and will incorporate the barcode as an integral part of the vertical lines on the radiator grill of all new cars from 1st April 2011.

Car dealers are up in arms, and British dealers fear a severe loss of business with the end of promotions based on the six monthly change of registration letters. An EHC representative pointed out that the month and year of manufacture will still be incorporated in the barcode. Alistair Grey of the British Motor Dealers Federation said, ‘This is insane! We can hardly say “Buy now and get the latest thick-thick-thin-thin-thin-thick barcode for July 2011!”’ It also means an end for personalized registration plates, which is bad news for the owners of D3REK, 5EXY, A11 NOB and S1MON.

While some police forces are in favour of the new barcodes, other chief constables have expressed doubts. Police officers will be supplied with small barcode readers, but members of the public will no longer be able to report vehicles involved in crimes, unless of course they have a barcode reader of their own or very good eyesight so as to read the long line of small numbers below the barcode lines. Anti-European UKIP MP Hamish Jenkins has protested that the first part of the code on British cars will read EU-UK, ‘The barcodes are 15% longer than they need to be, and every one of us will have the European Union permanently advertised on these signs.’ The EHC replied that no one will be able to see that anyway. “But we’ll know,’ said Mr Jenkins bitterly.


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Posted by:

joe j

Location: Southside
Web: My link

Hi everybody. Workin long hours. Followin the conversation though.

Here's a link to one of my faves, 'Hearts of Stone' by Southside Johnny.

Liked that Crispin St ? link from a few days ago.


Entered at Thu Apr 1 02:26:29 CEST 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279612227.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.85.67)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

NB!!! Check out the archives on the site I just posted!! Two Van boots for complete download. available. Oh and the other option NB would be Radio City Music Hall for Levon at the end of July. I saw Tina Turner with Chris Isaak there. We could maybe see Joan too. :-D

Levon Helm in People Magazine....
May 09, 1994 Vol. 41 No. 17 Down Home With...Levon HelmBy Steve Dougherty The Band Legend Returns to the Delta,
Where He and His Music Began
Click on photos to enlarge.....


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Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Kevin/ Chatroom

There are indeed people in the Chat room. They appeared on Little Pink when Jan had temporarily closed down the website. I don't think they found us very nice, and were thrilled to go back there when Jan reopened. There were names like "Coffee Al' and "Cesar". I can't remember any others.


Entered at Thu Apr 1 01:45:59 CEST 2010 from bas3-toronto02-1279612227.dsl.bell.ca (76.69.85.67)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey NB and NG.....Both of you will have to drag me to a Ramble as imagezulu won't budge where Levon is concerned. He's my brother's age and both don't dig The Band or solo members. At least all of us dig Van The Man!

Great photos of The Band from 1971. In one photo it looks like Rick is singing one of Dylan's songs...."OOOOOh the streets of Rome.....".

For those of you who don't have this boot.....Complete Download to your iTunes.
The Band ~ August 1, 1973 ~ Roosevelt Stadium ~ Jersey City, NJ
Original Broadcast Date: January 23, 2009

Hi ray.....Dang.....You still give good post! ;-D

Fred....Remember I'm one Canadian who can claim she experienced Japanese reggae at The Rivoli on Queen West. At the end of the last couple of weeks I've been playing some music over the school PA just before school starts. Last week it was "I'll Take You There" by The Staple Singers.....week before it was Sly and The Family Stone's "Everyday People" as requested by the Office. Tomorrow it will be Marley's "Get Up, Stand Up". The kidzzzz were listening to Marley's music today while they were painting with water colours. They were responding to the story....._The Rough Face Girl_ Any suggestions for a The Band song the following week?


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Posted by:

NB

Subject: Geez Norm !

I just got your email Norm, no not Lawnbowling !. Ya, I realize I said the tournament was being held in David P.'s backyard but you took me a bit literally on that one. Oh, and don't come back with curling either because of the Herb Tarlick clue. NB


Entered at Thu Apr 1 00:54:30 CEST 2010 from vance005.net.gov.bc.ca (142.22.16.50)

Posted by:

NB

Subject: Norm

I'm afraid I'll have to miss your Surrey gig this year as April 11 is spoken for already, being the final day of a certain televised tournament down in David P.'s backyard. It marks the return of "F Bomb" Eldrick to competitive action. Out of respect for Peter The Deleter, you'll note the great care I've exercised here to not actually use the four-letter word denoting this sport, which has been described as both "a good walk spoiled" and "not so much a sport, as an insult to lawns" (R. Dangerfield, I believe).

If a further clue is needed, just recall those outlandish pants with white belt that Herb Tarlick used to wear on WKRP. As Herb would say, "you can't just find these anywhere, you know; I had to get them all the way from a pro shop in Kentucky ". I've got way more clues if you need them Norm. Have fun at the gig. NB

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