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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, June 2002

Below are the entries in The Band guestbook from June 2002. Entries between May 27 and June 2 were lost due to a disk failure.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Jenny

Jenny: I am glad you had fun in Austin. I hope you were able to visit Antone's. The book was very interesting. I just sent you an email.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Barnburners

Butch,

Sounds like another great Levon Helm & Barnburners show... I wish Id been able to make the Road Trip...

Any Levon sightings for the BB King's Blues Fest this year???


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: discovering the band

i got into the band in the late 70's when as a teenager ibought a book about dylan who i was getting into big time. i was immediately intrigued by these 5 enigmatic characters who helped dylan change the face of rock music in the 60's. i mean, their names alone could have been carved out of granite. levon helm! how do you top that. these musicians seemed to a young 15 year old to personify dignity and integrity. i had to find some band music which in a welsh mining village was easier said than done. an older friend lent me before the flood.putting on side 2 the opening strains of cripple creek knocked me flat. then came richard's awsome rendition of ishbreleased, and a life long passion for the band was born. i got all the vinyls soon thanks to a job in a record store in a nearby city.rock of ages on triple vinyl? i treasure it to this day. the band, what can i say. they will always be for me first among equals regarding my fav. bands. iv only seen them once unlike you guys across the pond, but musically they are and will remain diamonds and treasures enriching me now and forever.thanks for this wonderful new band family on the gb. your all worth your weight in gold. rich.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: music, real music

there was magic in the air, in Pine Plains, last night,,,,

as the boss & me drove down route 199 there was a "carnival on the edge of town",,,a firemans night,,,,,me & the boss commented on it,, he said he could smell the popcorn,,, two bucks a shot,,,,,

as Tony Garnier & Pat drifted into the parking lot,,,friends & fans came to say hi,,,, bill speight & his great family,,, made it seem like the old Joyous Lake nights,, joe & doreen, all the WKZE staff,,,barb & barb,,,Pat's parents & chris' in-laws-toobe,,,it was THAT kinda night,,,

as the fellas got ready, Tony entertained us with bob's moviemaking stories & him & Levon compared bob notes,, pretty funny,,,

but the music was the reason we were there,,,& they didnt let us down,,,,

Shuffle in E kicked it off & it was off & runnin,,,

from chris' originals, like "water's risin" & "grass is greener" or "terrified & Lonesome or "Dress Blues" ( the last two about his stint in the marine corp in desert storm,)to all the great MUDDY tunes,, , Lil Walter,, Jimmy Reed,,,Lazy Lester,,,Jimmy Rodgers,, those fellas owned pine plains ,,,,that groove tony & levon laid down was a mile wide,,,& pat & chris nestled right in it & swung,,

the blues were hot, & pat's guitar playing was scorching,,,like a man possessed,, chris was in fine form & wailed as if james cotton, both sonny boys, walter & kim wilson were pushin him ,,,,cause he was wailin in fine old form !!!!!!!!

but Levon was so happy,, beatin them skins, to a great audience,,,

no yells of "the Weight" or cripple creek!!!,,, thankfully,, he was in his glory playin them downhome blues,,, especially with Tony Garnier,, the BEST BASS player workin today,,,

after an encore or two,, & a cheering crowd,,,the fellas left & signed stuff in the parking lot ( after laughin cause i fell over a stage light,, in the dark,,,, damn baked goods,,) & every one went home happy,,

oh,, as the Barn Burners finished,, the firemans carnival let loose a barrage of fireworks,, EVERYONE stopped & watched,, a perfect end to a perfect summer's night of BLUES,,,

ya can sit home & talk about the music ,, or you can go see the real deal,,,your choice,,,you know where i'll be,, come out & join us,,,


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: ox

There are so many opinions flying around about the Who continuing the tour. The Townsend site says that Pino Palladino will play bass - and in Pete's Diaries, written by Townsend himself, it says in part =

"We talked a little about his [Pino's] role here, and I made it clear, we do not expect him to attempt to emulate, parody or copy John Entwistle in any way....."

"For my part I am not attempting to deliberately establish any sense of memorial or tribute to John. Unlike others I entirely respect (including many of John's friends and family) I don't feel I know for certain that John would have wanted us to go on. I simply believe we have a duty to go on, to ourselves, ticket buyers, staff, promoters, big and little people. I also have a duty to myself and my dependent family and friends. I also want to help guide Roger and the rest of the band at this time, all of whom have been shaken by John's death.". "Roger left it entirely to me the decision as to whether or not to go on with the tour".

"My immediate mission is to complete this tour in good heart, and to remember John in my quiet and private times. It is easy for mr to smile when I remember John. I loved him unconditionally. I will try hard not to fall into any of my usual mini-depressions on this tour. Pino is determined to enjoy the music, and so am I." "We are musicians, entertainers. We can do it. We have the right tools. No worries."

So there's the story right from Pete's head. He's very honest IMHO. He even touches on money when he mentions a duty to his dependents and family. I know that feeling myself. The clear thing that comes through for me is that the all-around best way to get through this is to play. Also, the old saying "the show must go on." Can you imagine how many people turned to Pete Towsend this week and said, "well, what are we going to do?" - talk about pressure.


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Posted by:

luka

Subject: molly!!!!!!!!!!!!! : )

hey molly. cannot believe either that we always seem to miss each other by a couple of minutes. i got your last message only minutes after you sent it as well. just didn't have time to leave you a note. what's your son's name? it's so cool that you got him to listen to the band and all this kind of music. my parents aren't really interested in music...they gave me all the old stuff anyway so i could listen to it. just don't like most of the modern stuff. only coverversions and no own ideas. i'm kind of sick of it...but what can ye do. they still make an awful lot of money and people buy it. i guess sometimes they don't even know that there's an original version...ah well...i mean...i'm the same sometimes. it's only my parents saying then: you should listen to the original version! and i'm thankful for that!


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Charlie Musselwhite

Had the opportunity to open for Charlie Musselwhite Friday.Charlie's Band connection stems from his work with John Hammond and members of the Band on Hammonds recordings. Charlie sounds better than ever but his playing thru a "POD" rather than a Fender amp is almost sacriligious! Beats the hell out of carrying one of those beasts around however. Great show from a humble and great player.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Mike D: It's called Little Islands off Garth's new solo CD... Check out the rest of the CD, it will take you out there and back... btw I recommend wearing a floatation device and headgear while listening to the first song...


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Last Waltz Audio Commentary

I was watching/listening to the audio commentary on the dvd this morning, with the musicians. I discovered something I hadn't gotten to before. At the end of the movie, right after "I Shall Be Released" and before The Last waltz "theme" sequence begins...Garth says "and now I play a song, right?" What follows is a 4 minute piece of beautiful parlor-style piano playing. It reminds me of the intro to "The River Hymn" on Cahoots. As this song plays over the scene of the guys palying on the MGM soundstage, it carries a sad and haunting beauty. I don't know what song Garth is playing or if it's off the top of his head. But it's pure Garth! Has anyone else noticed this song on the DVD? If so, great! If not, check it out. Garth, one of a kind!

Mike


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Amanda

Amanda: What did you think of the book? You can e-mail me at Daerjech2000@yahoo.com.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Location: Ohio

Subject: Back from Texas and Chicago

We are back and we had a great time in spite of a few temper tantrums from our younger son. We had so little time in Austin we never got to Stevie Ray's statue but we did hear him a lot on the radio. Oddly enough in an area north of Junction where there were only 2 radio stations we heard Mary, Mary, a Mike Nesmith/Monkees song recorded once by Paul Butterfield that I brought up a little while back. I probably hadn't heard the original in 30 years but fortunately remembered all the words so I could annoy everyone in the car by singing really loudly.

In Chicago at Taste of Chicago (where I had Harold's Chicken for all you Chicagoans) a band played A Change Is Gonna Come, and it would have sounded pretty good too except the sound system was pretty bad.

Of all the uncharitable remarks made about Van at TLW, surely the meanest was the NYTimes article on the Band when all the re-release hooplah came out--it compared him to a dancing Butterball turkey I think.

Hope I haven't missed too many good conversations.


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Posted by:

Jay

Location: Atlanta

Subject: Correction

The correct date on the Summertime Blues/Money single is 1982, of course. Sorry for any confusion there.


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Posted by:

Jay

Location: Atlanta

Subject: Richard Manuel CD/David Powell live

To echo Andy's response to the "blowout" on Richard's new album, I received the disc yesterday and was blown away by how great it sounds. I don't know what Andy did to keep a 17 year old tape in such topnotch condition, but he deserves our eternal gratitude. Thanks also to Richard's family for authorizing this wonderful release. It is a very intimate look at Richard the performer that I'll treasure for years to come. The electric piano is a little echoey and boomy (a characteristic of the instrument itself, I believe, not the source tape or the mastering), but otherwise it sounds amazing.

I should also mention that I had the great pleasure of meeting David Powell last night and got to hear the tail end of his performance at the US Border Cafe in Alpharetta, GA. If any GB'ers come through Atlanta on a Friday night when David and Steve are playing, I would highly recommend trying to catch their show. I'll definitely be going back -- they even debuted "Tangled Up In Blue" last night! Wish I had been able to get there much earlier. Thanks for a great time and a great conversation, David.


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Posted by:

union man

Subject: john entwhistle

a few things I wanted to say about John Entwhistle. 1: that's why I started playing the bass. 2: the Who stopped being anything important donkey's years ago, for God's sake. A bit like the Band, really, doesn't matter how much you love them. 3: I went to see the Who in 1989-90, on some sort of comeback tour at Birmingham N.E.C. I was about 18 at the time, and all though my infatuation with them was faded, I got to the venue early ( I was at college in Coventry at the time) and went round to the stage door to try and see if I could "bump into" anybody. John Entwhistle was the first to arrive by a long way. I'll always remember how he jumped out of this shitty car that someone drove him in and walked over to me and this other chap who was waiting. That guy had approximately 35 bloody albums he wanted autographing but Entwhistle signed the lot. At one point I made a fatuous comment about how young John looked on some of the album covers, and he just looked at me out of the corner of his eye and gave a rather sardonic smile. He wrote his autograph for me on the only thing I had, an empty packet of Benson and Hedges cigarettes, had a laugh with the "security" guard, jumped back in the car and went inside. Pete Townshend turned up later, looking worried, and, never getting out of his posher car, signed my B&H packet. Roger Daltrey arrived half an hour before showtime and swept on through everybody in a Bentley. P.S.My own Dad died suddenly of a heart attack, also aged 57. The sooner they develop a synthetic human heart which can't be broken, or give up before it's time, the better, I reckon.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Friend Indeed...Richard Manuel Blowout...

Dear "Friend Indeed":

You are "overstocked" with Richard Manuel CDs? You're "getting rid of my remaining copies". Makes me wonder just how many CDs you ordered. You say "interest has been, sorry to say, minimal". Is this just a ploy to sell some CDs? You were expecting, say, to get the same response as Brittany Spears or other current "pop stars"?

Those who know and appreciate Richard Manuel's exceptional voice and talent will pick up the CD regardless of anyone's opinion. It has only been available for three or four weeks, and from Japan.

I hope people will take you up on your offer, buy all the remaining "overstock" that you have and save you the embarassment of getting "stuck" with unsold CDs.

I think I speak for people who really like the Richard Manuel CD, that the negative references you make in your post could give people the impression that it is crappy. Everyone who has commented to me both personally and through this website have loved the intimate, personal, glimpse it gives listeners of Richard.

I suggest you stick to ordering proven top-sellers so that you don't lose any money or have to "get rid" of CDs that appeal to people who have broad and eclectic music tastes.


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Posted by:

Molly girl

Subject: luka

hello Luka.....I can't believe we barely missed each other the other day. My pc had a nasty virus and we had to do a little surgery on it but now it's up and running. I'm going to go hear some old time string band music tonight at this little old General Store. They have live music on Saturday nights...bluegrass and old time string music. It's a cool place. Kinda like going back in time. hope to hear from you soon. Your Friend Molly


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Rockettes in the pockettes

Everybody reads Greil Marcus. In 1976 he described Van at TLW ‘kicking his legs like a rockette’. Quite independently (oh, really?) Barney Hoskyns came up with the same description (plus an uncharitable ‘little’ before legs), even though being British like me, he probably only had a vague idea what a rockette is / was / does / did. We would say, ‘Kicking his legs like a Television Topper. If we’re old enough to remember the Television Toppers leggy, toothy and spangly dance troupe, that is. Which Van is. Then, in the Virgin Mega Mag interview in ‘What’s new’, guess what? The very same image came quite independently to Robbie Robertson, who never reads the critics and bios.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: dreamland.

dear julie. the robert plant album is already out here in the u.k. your in for a treat. its fantastic. he does some amazing iterpretations of some well known chestnuts plus songs id not heard before.he does to the dylan song '1 more cup of coffee', what hendrix did to watchtower,turning it inside out into something completely out of this world.enjoy.


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Posted by:

JULIE

Subject: Music

Great site..I liove the band! I also love Zepp! Share the music!!!!!! Hello......I love music and would like to share with everyone. Robert Plant has a new CD due out in July called DREAMLAND! He also has a new video from his hit single Darkness, Darkness on VH1. I will say....After seeing a preview of the video...I was very surprised! Once again Robert has done a wonderful job of bringing new life into one of my favorite songs!......A friend of mine sent me this link, If you love music, Like I do Give it a listen! Lets share the music!!! http://65.45.90.98/events?14060xy132


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Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Dutch CD

1. Sjako!: The Wonder - Where is the Brown Eyed Girl? (legend of The Brown [bonus thing] - 2002)


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Blowout !!!

The new Richard Manuel CD has already hit the Bargain Bins? What the hell is wrong with this world???


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Posted by:

Jay

Location: Atlanta

Subject: njwardlaw at aol dot com

Inspired by word of David's completeing his disc of Robbie's soundtrack appearances, I am trying to finish my CD-R of non-album solo odds & ends covering the other 4 original members. Any input on anything I've missed would be greatly appreciated!

For the vocalists, I selected only prominent vocal appearances, and for Garth, I selected only tracks where he was credited as the artist. Without further adieu, here goes the list:

1. All Our Past Times - Rick w/Eric Clapton (No Reason To Cry - 1976)

2. Last Night - Richard w/Eric Clapton (No Reason To Cry [bonus track] - 1976)

3. Blue Moon of Kentucky - Levon (Coal Miner's Daughter OST - 1980)

{IF I COULD FIND IT, THE NEXT TRACK WOULD BE: Working In A Coal Mine - Levon (B-side to "Blue Moon of Kentucky" - 1980}

4. Ride of The Redlegs - Levon, et al. (Legend of Jesse James - 1980)

5. Quantrill's Guerillas - Levon, et al. (Legend of Jesse James - 1980)

6. The Old Clay Country - Levon, et al. (Legend of Jesse James - 1980)

7. Northfield: The Plan - Levon, et al. (Legend of Jesse James - 1980)

8. High Walls - Levon, et al. (Legend of Jesse James - 1980)

9. The Death Of Me - Levon, et al. (Legend of Jesse James - 1980)

10. One More Shot - Levon, et al. (Legend of Jesse James - 1980)

{IF I COULD FIND IT, THE NEXT TRACK WOULD BE:Summertime Blues - Levon (A-side b/w "Money" - 1980)}

11. Feed The Birds - Garth (Disney's Stay Awake - 1988)

12. When I Get My Rewards - Levon w/The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Will The Circle Be Unbroken II - 1989)

13. Lean On Me - Levon (Stay Together OST - 1989)

14. Hotel Buick - Levon (Stay Together OST - 1989)

15. Big Love In A Small Town - Levon (Stay Together OST - 1989)

16. The Weight - Levon w/Ringo Starr & The All-Starr Band (Ringo Starr & The All-Starr Band - 1989)

17. Raining In My Heart - Rick w/Ringo Starr & The All-Starr Band (Ringo Starr & The All-Starr Band - 1989)

18. Emily - Levon w/Los Lobos (The Neighborhood - 1990)

19. Little John of God - Levon w/Los Lobos (The Neighborhood - 1990)

20. Twilight - Rick & Garth (Best of Montain Stage Volume 1 - 1991)

21. Out On The Street - Rick & Levon w/John Simon (Out On The Street -1992)

22. Secret To A Long Life - Levon w/Michelle Shocked (Arkansas Traveller - 1992)

23. Rock, Salt & Nails - Levon w/John Martyn (No Little Boy - 1993)

24. Someone's Standing In Your Door - Levon w/John Sebastian (Tar Beach - 1993)

25. Blue Tail Fly - Rick (Bring It On Home, Volume 1 - 1994)

26. Mystery Train - Rick (Bring It On Home, Volume 1 - 1994)

27. Bring It On Home - Rick w/Happy & Artie Traum (Bring It On Home, Volume 1 - 1994)

28. Raining In My Heart - Rick (Bring It On Home, Volume 2 - 1994)

29. The Weight - Rick, et al. (Bring It On Home, Volume 2 - 1994)

30. Going To Main Street - Levon w/Muddy Waters Tribute Band (You're Gonna Miss Me - 1996)

31. When You Awake - Rick (The Band: Classic Albums DVD - 1997)

32. Gimme A Stone - Levon w/David Forman, Rob Hyman & Eric Bazilian (Largo - 1998)

33. Garth Largo - Garth (Largo - 1998)

34. Going Back To Memphis - Levon w/James Cotton (The Mississippi: River of Song - 1998)



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Posted by:

Friend Indeed

Location: Eastern Seaboard

Subject: RICHARD MANUEL BLOWOUT!!!

I’m overstocked on Richard Manuel’s “Whispering Pines: Live at the Getaway” (interest has been, sorry to say, minimal), and am getting rid of my remaining copies for $25, shipping included, while they last. (Needless to say, these are sealed Japanese originals on the Dreamsville label.) These are on hand and ready to ship: No 3 or 4 week delays. Contact me if interested.
brainlaATaol.com


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Questions, answers, the Who and the like

My oh my are we being a bit judgemental. None of us have any idea what the process was for Pete and Roger in making this decision. Whatever it was I'm sure they took into account the amount of people who bought tickets, and those employed by the tour this summer. No need to judge these guys, John had been a friend of theirs for 40 years, I'm sure they arent being as crass as some are saying. Ray Pence, your comment about Pete's best non WHo album being the one he did with Ronnie Lane rang a bell for me. Back in the early 80s, in Musician magazine I believe, Ray Davies said Pete had approached him first about doing the album. Ray said he didnt know how it would turn out becuase Pete was the only guy in rock n roll more self concious than he was. The FLatlanders album took a huge jump on the country charts last week, going from 40 to 19. While I'm sure talk on this board did something to spur sales, it seems most are crediting it to a tremendous showing they did on the Letterman show.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales.

Subject: mike + rosalind.

cheers mike,no hard feelings mate. as a total newcomer to this truly wondrous gb, the last thing i want to do is upset anyone. i do empathise with you in that if i had tickets for the tour, my head would be spinning after what happened. i read that johns family want it to go ahead so that should be the end of the matter. it will be very strange though. Ros. good guess in the light of ML's increasing film roles. the answer however is bob dylan. he had to pullout because of the neverending tour. levon was great in it even though the role was a small one. i loved feeling minnesotta even though the critics trashed it. any thoughts about the film gbers?


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Posted by:

John D

Just re-read my last two posts. I'm taking Rock and Roll far too seriously. Never mind the last two posts.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: THE OX

Glad I made my last post before going to the comments of Townsend and Daltry; which follows:....

The band's two remaining members said the three-month tour, which will now begin in Los Angeles on Monday, would now be dedicated to the 57-year-old. "It will go ahead as a tribute to John Entwistle and to the loss of an irreplaceable friend," Daltrey and Townshend said in a statement. "The Entlewistle family is in full support of the decision to continue and feel this is what John would have wanted," the statement added.

I repeat, "The best things in life are free; but you can give them to the birds and bees.......GIVE ME MONNNNNNNNNNEY THAT'S ALL I WANT." Maybe I'm too cynical.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: THE OX

Dead three days. Townsend says let's resume the tour! Not sure if we should use the line, "The show must go on; or Give Me Money That's All I Want."

I realize that cancelling the tour won't bring John back; but when your as filthy rich as Townsend why not out of respect. People would certainly understand. You can always tour later in the summer. Goes to show you how important John was when you can pick up another bass player and carry on so quickly. I must be getting old to feel this way. I think if I were in my 20's I would be screaming, "Play Anyway!!!"


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny
Web: My link

Subject: The Who

If you go to www.petetownsend.co.uk - click on Pete's Diary, then click June 29th. You will read Pete's feelings on going on with the tour. It's a nice statement by Pete. I tried to put the link in above.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

R.I.P. OX

I had the pleasure of seeing a John Entwistle solo concert at a little theater on Long Island years ago. It was a great show.

I was on the road this week, and when I heard the news about the Ox's death I was going across I-90 in Massachussetts trying to find a good rock station on the radio. I didn't think of it until I read some of the other posts here, but shortly after I heard the news the sky got real dark, there was thunder and lightning, and it started to rain hard. Now I realize that that must have been the moment that the Ox arrived in rock 'n' roll Heaven and plugged in his bass.

Entwistle wrote and sang one of my favorite songs about the grind of the music biz - it's called "Success Story" from "The Who By Numbers". If you remember the movie "The Kid's Are Allright", it's playing during the hilarious scene where John is in his yard skeet shooting at gold records. I think I'll watch that movie this weekend.

Alot of these guys got into rock music as a release (and to meet girls). So for Pete and Roger to go on as planned and play music makes perfect sense. It's therapy.

Entwistle is absolutely irreplaceable - BUT, since the guy touring with them is a fairly well known singer by the name of Robert Plant - why not give John Paul Jones a call and see if he's into it. That would seem like an all around good choice for the situation to me. Besides the obvious connections, he's a fine bass player.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Reply to Mike

Sorry Mike but Pete said that 3 weeks ago in an Eglish paper, and it caused a rather big to do. To the extent both Roger and Pete issued statements explaing what Pete meant, and what Roger meant by his knee jerk reply. SO not only did Pete say it, he did so very recently.


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Posted by:

marto

Subject: tribute

OX --- BOX --- ROX


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

I wasn't surprised when I found out that The Who were going on as scheduled. It might be theraputic in a good way for the group to play to an audience that appreciated John and to an extent, loved him too. It's always easier to share loss with someone, the more people the better. I'm glad they chose to go on one more tour. I feel it's more appropriate than just scrapping the whole thing and going home giving everything up for good. John will be there, just nobody will see him. His presence will be felt from one side of that place to the other. This will be a fine and memorable tribute tour for all involved, no matter how hard it undoubtedly will be to go onto a stage without John standing in his rightful place.

Richie, Didn't you ask another trivia question a bit down the scroll? Is the answer "MeatLoaf" The "heavy" clue gave it away. I was never one of his fans. That "Paradise By The Dashboard Light" scared the hell out of me!


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Richie

Richie, I apologize for being a bit harsh. I guess I am defensive at times. For that, I am sorry. I'm not sure what to make of it all myself. I do have a ticket and it will be ODD to not have "The Ox" there. Again, I apologize for being harsh towards you. Uncalled for, on my part. I do believe that after the tour runs it's course, The Who can't exist. I guess I'm still in a state of shock about the whole situation, as I am a HUGE fan and have been so for many years. I wish Pete and Roger the best, because this can't be easy!

Mike


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: the show must go on

on reflection,roger and pete are in an awful position. not only have the lost an irreplacable compadre but whatever they decided about the tour, to play or not to play would invite flak. at the end of the day i wish them all the best for the future. the who's music has been a lexicon for me at various stages of my life. god speed the Who at this difficult time.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: the who tour

dear mike. i note from earlier on that you have tickets for the tour so i can see why you are quite keen for everything to go ahead as normal.wondering whether the who should tour immediately in the light of whats happened is not a negative comment but a valid point. however if the who take a 'the must go on attitude' as tribute to john, i can respect that as im sure everyone else can. if my comments are unintelligent in your eyes then clearly you need a refresher course in the various nuances of the english language. love rich.


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Who

I, for one, tink that continuing the tour is the best possible tribute they offer. I can't even begin to imagine having to deal with such a difficult decision. I truly think John would want them to go on and complete the tour. In other words to "do it for John".

Richie, too bad for you! It's a fitting tribute to complete the tour. They are NOT replacing him. They are honoring their commitments, as well as their friend. I do not see him being replaced. After they complete the tour, The Who will be no more. If you can't handle it, deal with it. Put yourself in Townshend and Daltrey's shoes! And ask yourself "what should I do?" Haven't seen a positive or intelligent post from you in here, yet?!

Calvin, Pete has NEVER said that! Find me the actual quote where he said that. He's not so ignorant as to say something like that. Besides, Roger and John have always done just fine with their financial resrves. It was Pete, who, in 1982 almost lost it all. But he bounced back from it. Anyhow, I don't see how anyone can be qualified to judge what Pete and Roger have decided. It sure as hell can't be easy to lose a friend you have know for almost 40 years! Much less, a day before a tour is set to begin. My prayers with them. How come nobody ever judged Rick, Levon and Garth continuing without Richard and picking up Blondie Chaplin to finish their commitments in early 1986! Hmm?! Same premise...I don't know, but I feel it's shallow to judge.

Mike


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Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: Who R U?

Who on earth could replace the Ox, I wonder? I'm sure he woulda wanted the show to go on.....

WHO on earth, indeed.........

Listening to that Rick Danko boot the other night made me think that someone in TV network-land shoulda given Rick his own show.........like a "Live with Rick" show or something....What a holy host he was........


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: The Who

I'm ambivalent about the tour, and had no intention to go to any shows anyway because I think the Who weren't the Who after Moon died, even though I saw them in 1980 and loved it as an uncritical high school kid.

Starting the tour so soon after JW's death is strange to me, though. Billing themselves as the Who isn't right, but...WHO cares what I think? I know lots of people won't agree with me, but the Stones still feel like the Stones to me on their tours, they don't disappoint, but the Who lost it long ago.

None of this dampens my admiration for Townshend and the late John Entwistle. John was a unique songwriter with a special sense of humor that balanced Townshend's tendency toward melodrama and self pity. "My Wife" is one of the best tracks on "Who's Next," which is saying a lot. For me, "Rough Mix" with Ronnie Lane is the best Townshend "solo." I'd like to have seen him do more of that and less of trying to live up to what he could no longer be.

In the end I think it's good that the show will go on for all the ticket buyers, as long as Pete and Roger act their age. For me, Springsteen is the model of how a true rocker can stay credible as he moves into his fifties--he's not peddling nostalgia, but he's not giving up what made him great, either.


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Posted by:

SETI

We sell amateur erotic photos. The price from 0.5 $ SETI1@RAMBLER.RU


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: The Who touring

For what it's worth, they also toured immediately after Keith Moon's death as well, and Entwistle was part of that.I guess for the rest of us, we don't give up our careers if a coworker dies. Of course, that is a bit of a stretch, but apparently Roger and Pete don't think so.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out -There
Web: My link

Subject: Who Tour ?

I can only assume the best of intentions in the decision to go on with the this tour. There seems to be many professional musicians who frequent this 'GB' and I can only guess, myself, as to the major dilemmas you might face in canceling such a tour virtually on the day of inception. I cannot imagine the process Pete and Rodger must have gone through to come to this decision. In the end (my guess) it just may turn out to be the one great tribute they have to offer their friend and fellow bandmate of 30+ years who has left them so suddenly. I myself greatly admired Johns mastery of his craft and dedication to his kind. I being one say, go do it for John Entwistle, as a tribute to a great musician............."Long Live Rock"


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: the who tour.

dear calvin. it is unbelievable. im gobsmacked that the who are touring just days after the ox's passing.couldnt they reschedule the tour at the very least. indeed, continuing our discussion, should they now carry on.?


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Who Tour

Unbelievable, I guess this keeps the string alive about bands that keep touring without key members. Pete recently said the only reason he does these tours is as a favor for John and Roger who have always had money problems. Maybe the have contract obligations, lots of people took working the tour as their job this summer, who knows. I guess Ill think the best.


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Posted by:

Web: My link

Stunningly (greedily?), the Who have announced that their tour will continue as scheduled, except for the first two shows. Click the link for info.


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Holland

John, thank you.


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Posted by:

Susan

Location: semi-rural Illinois

Subject: Big Pink

I'm sitting in my office doing boring computer work and listening to Music From Big Pink. The original tracks just finished. I'm trying to think of another album that struck me with the awe and delight of this one. Springsteen's Born To Run had something of the effect, but it was a different kind of delight.

The sounds of both were so outstanding - BTR is heavily produced, but the production does not overpower the songs, and manages to be anthemic and at the same time hark back to simpler studio technique. Big Pink of course used fairly simple recording techniques even for the time, but never sounds dated. I've been listening to Howlin' Wolf Chess 50 Anniversary cd. Now there's some primitive recording. The drums sound like they are in the next room and made of cardboard. It all hangs together, and the raw sound is right for the songs and the voice, but it sounds like an earlier recording. But Big Pink just does not dated, or of its time. It seems out of time - just there, all of a piece, the sounds and songs and voices.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: band related film trivia

levon as a bible salesman? easy. feeling minesotta, also starring cameron diaz. however which musician was originally set to play levon's role but had to pass on it because of heavy touring commitments.(thats a clue)


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: long live Ox the thunderfingers

Nice image Bob Wigo. There might be some evening T storms here tonight. I'll be listening.


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Posted by:

James

Location: Calgary, Canada

Subject: amazing....

I just wanted to say that this is the best web site period on music that I have come accross. I've been into The Band for only a few years (I'm 24) which is sad since I am canadian and they are without a doubt the best (mostly canadian) band Canada has produced. I have to say though that as much as I love the rest of the guys the American is my favorite. Levon Helm's passion is inspiring. I just finished watching "The Last Waltz" for about the 10th time in a couple of weeks. If you arent' moved by these guys soul, then check for your pulse. I hope that lots of people get exposed to The Band again through the re-release of the DVD. I was thinking the other day and decided quickly if I was stuck listening to one band for the rest of my life it wouldn't be The Beatles, The Stones, Zepplin, Springsteen, Cash or anyone else. It would be The Band. Thank you for the site, and thanks to The Band for the music and so much more.


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Posted by:

Zeppe

Subject: John Entwhistle

May he rest in peace. It seems like all the great rock musicians from the 60's are starting to leave us. I'm just glad that three of The Band members are still around and enjoying life.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: John York / Gene Parsons

Prior to joining the Byrds, John York had worked with Gene Clark in a band that included Clarence White and drummer Eddie Hoh. Early in his career, Mr. York worked with Doug Sahm & the Sir Douglas Quintet.

It's interesting to note that the late Clarence White passed up a chance to join ex-Byrds Chris Hillman, Gram Parsons & Michael Clarke in the Flying Burrito Brothers in order to join Roger McGuinn's later version of the Byrds.

It's funny how the family trees of the so-called "country rock" west coast groups like the Byrds, Burritos, Poco, Eagles, et al. are so intertwined. I highly recommend John Einarson's "Desperados", a very well-written & informative book of the history of those various groups.

Calvin: You can keep up with the talented Gene Parsons through his cleverly-named website at www.stringbender.com


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: tribute bands

creedence clearwater revisited. what the hell was that about. i nearly puked when i saw that cd in my local record store.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: byrds tribute

dear calvin. it is a dilemma, i agree, at what point through the loss of certain members does a rockband lose its raison d'etre.when does a band lose all credibility because of certain members running a name into the ground long after key members have gone. even though robbie was absent the band endured because you still had the mystycal blend of voices and garths organ. however to me, a version of the byrds be it tribute or anything else without mcguinn is deeply flawed. skip battin and gene parsons did play in a version of the byrds put together after michael clarkes death. love richie.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Thanks to Bumbles

Thanks for the assist Bumbles, as I said I was going from memory, and alas my memory isnt perfect. I was thinking as hated as Baitlan was by Byrd fans it would be strange to see him in a Byrds band at a later date. Anyone know what Gene Parson is up to? A very underrated drummer who actually designed some of the guitars that Clarence WHite played. I know this string popped up before, but why is it nobody has problem 1, including me, with Levon, Garth and Rick going out without RIchard and Robbie. I'm guessing just the love for the group outweighs any concerns. I've seen that Young, Cotton, Grantham version of Poco a few times and Ive never felt cheated Furay, Schmidt or Messina werent there. Perspective I guess.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

Subject: John York/Skip Battin

The third actual Byrd who participated in the Tribute to the Byrds tour was John York, not Skip Battin, who actually replaced York after his (inevitable) firing. A Byrd in 1968/69, York played on “Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde” and was more prominent on “The Ballad of Easy Rider,” writing “Fido” and contributing some vocals. He can also be heard on the recently unearthed Byrds “Live at the Fillmore West” and on the widely distributed Boston Tea Party bootleg recorded during an epic Byrds stand at that club in early 1970.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Byrds Tribute/The Who

Michael Clarke touring with a farce group is a bit different from your original comment Ritchie. Gene, Michael and Skip toured as a tribute band, although I was always pretty sure that was Gene's doing. As I said I was always under the assumption that there was an agreement between Chris, Gene, Dave and Roger not to use the Byrds name unless everyone was there. An Agreement that Michael didnt seem to be all that interested it keeping. But my original statement hold, the fact 3 long time Byrds members toured as a tribute group showed a lot of class, what Michael did by himself is something else all together. It seems somewhat ironic that the only original member who didnt have a significant impact on the group would be the one who did that. One thing Ive noticed in the Who strain is the amount of people who comment on the live aspect of the group. I always felt the came off much better live, perhaps ragged is the better word, their studio recording seemed far too polished and clean for the almost beastial live act they were. And I use Beastial in a very positive way.


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Posted by:

Molly girl

Subject: luka

Good morning Luka,.... it is still morning here. My son is 19 and he has listened to The Band since he was just small. He loves Garth's (Hudson not Brooks) playing and was always fasinated with the over all raw sound of their albums. Whether or not I can get him to post a message is the question. I'll see if I can get him to. You'd like him he's a good guy. talk to you soon.....your friend, Molly


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Rest in peace John Entwistle.

Like or dislike The Who there is no denying the wonderful dynamic that was Keith Moon's unique style and Entwistle's powerful yet melodic bass lines. If my memory serves me well he contributed some pretty nice french horn parts as well.

The next thunderstorm we hear will likely be a bit more musical than any we've heard before.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: new discovery.

this band gb is the business.a wonderful discovery. got to go for now. best wishes to you all.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: byrds tribute band

dear calvin. it was a farce. pretty soon concert promoters were dropping the tribute aspect and billing the show as the byrds. i remember seeing a poster in wales at this time for this fake michael clarke version as part of an oldies package with hermans hermits and gerry and gerry and the pacemakers! the byrds without roger mcguinn are fake. however, a supergroup involving danko, manuel, the 2 clarke's. now that would have been something to behold.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: timothy white

timothy white's the life of bob marley is the best music biog. ever. its not just music and the man, its history and life itself. RIP Timothy.ill play exodus today and think of you.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: john entwistle.

im stunned. iv just found out. like many band fans, i also love the who. we brits in actual fact adore them as do you yanks. RIP john. heaven's found a brilliant new bass player.


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Posted by:

Richie

Location: Cherry Valley, Massachusetts

Subject: John Entwistle

I had the pleasure to see the Who at Offenfeld? stadium in Nuremberg Germany in Sept. 1979. They were supporting the quadraphenia movie and this was their second of 3 scheduled concerts. These were the first post Keith shows and the first was at Webley, Uk and the 3rd at the Cannes film festival in France. It was a festival show with Nils Lofgren, Steve Gibbons Band, Scorpions, AC/DC, and Cheap Trick opening. Kenny Jones was the drummer and I guess hadn't had the time to rehearse the whole Who cataglog. After 2 encores the group comes out for one more song and Townshend or Daltrey annnounces " We've run out of songs that Kenny knows, please bear with us" (or something to that affect). They then rip into "My Wife" and I don't know or care who sang the song on the album, but I do know, on that summer night in south Germany, John Entwistle did the honors and sent us on our way. RIP Johnny Twinkletoes.


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Posted by:

Laura Lorfing

Location: Houston

R.I.P. Ox


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginng

Subject: John Entwhistle and Timothy White

The most emotional and powerful concert I ever witnessed was a Who concert the week after 11 people were trampled to death at one of their concerts in Cincinnati. Daltry and Townshend were their usual frantic selves (Moon was already dead) but Entwhistle was solid and precise--the anchor that held the whole thing down. He'd step up to the mike for "Boris the Spider" or "My Wife," but otherwise he was back there making the show tick, sort of like the Wizard of Oz behind his curtain.

I was more shocked to hear of the death of BILLBOARD Editor-in-Chief Timothy White at age 50, though. He was a fine writer and I have heard good things about him personally from an old friend who is the Washington, DC correspondent for the magazine.

May they both rest in peace. We are lucky to have their work to remember them by. One of my prized possessions is the original 45 with picture sleeve featuring Ralph Steadman art for "Happy Jack." That was the first Who record I bought, while I had just bought one of Timothy White's books and planned to start it after I finally finsh that Neil Young bio (now a NEW YORK TIMES bestseller!).


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Posted by:

Too much trivia

Subject: The Flatlanders/Band related

Amanda: Good news! Your post about the Flatlanders may be considered Band related. Butch Hancock and Jimmie Dale Gilmour played the Edmonton Folk Festival in August 1988 with Rick Danko and Garth Hudson. They played several workshops together, including one on new songs featuring Butch and Rick. Most people who enjoy the Band's music will probably also enjoy listening to Butch Hancock and Jimmie Dale Gilmour.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Entwhistle

Ive been close friends with a couple of brothers for many of years, and they peppered me with their devotion of the Who for far to long. When I roomed with one or both of them for a 4 year stretch in the early/mid 80s I listened to enough Who to last a life time, and because of it developed a sort of dislike of them that only started to abate maybe 3 years ago. Mostly because they always tried to compare them to my Beloved Kinks, The Band, Poco and Byrds in a none to nice way. But even through all that I had to admire the Ox, you see Ive been playing the Bass for a lot of years, and no matter if I decided I could live the rest of my life without hearing Wont Get Fooled Again another time, I never lost sight that Entwhistle was one hell of a great bass player. I saw him last summer with Todd Rundgren, Alan Parsons, Nancy Wilson and David Pack on their Beatles Tribute tour, and not to long after that with his own group. The man could flat out play the Bass, the only guy I ever saw who could rival his playing was Jack Bruce, but even Bruce didnt have his flair. So here is to you Thunderfingers, even though I dont need to hear Behind Blues Eyes ever again in this lifetime, I'd watch those fingers of yours work that fret any day of the week. And while Im at it I bought the Flatlanders CD the day it came out, heck I was camped out Borders waiting for it to open, and it is truly wonderful. And I know this guy isnt really Band related but the new David Bowie CD is the best thing Iv'e heard from him in 20 years.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: The Ox vox

Yes, indeed that is Mr. John Entwistle singing the lead on "My Wife", one of the many great songs he penned. The rock world lost a true pioneer today, and one of it's finest bassists. Rest in peace, Thunderfingers.


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Posted by:

Hank


Web: My link

Subject: YOU.....ARE.... FORGIVEN.......You are all forgiven!

I woulda thought a band with members of The Byrds and Rick Danko woulda been great to see and hear.

In 1986, I went to see Chuck Berry at the Felt Forum in MSG, NYC. I heard it was his 60th birthday gig and had read how all these rock'n'roll stars were at the one in St. Lou...........

Well, it seems Chuck picked his own superstar band that night....instead of Keith, Eric, Robert Cray'n'all, Berry had Dave Edmunds, Chuck Leavall, Terry Williams and .....

John Entwistle

I remember thinking The Ox's bass playing might be a bit much for Chuck......but it SERIOUSLY rocked!

A great show!.......attended by a mixum gatherum of '50ies rockers, bikers, stray Deadheads and maybe even some of y'all mighta been there....I dunno.....

Cut to 1994 and I got to open for the Kinks here in Cork City........after the show, Jackie The Bell (a local Cork character and the subject of The Who song ,"Happy Jack") introduced me to the OX who had a house in Tipperary and was down to enjoy his buddies The Kinks in Cork......... I told the great bassist that I'd seen him play with Chuck Berry in NYC in '86 and he feigned embarassment and put his hands over his eyes and said said "Woah!.....You were AT that gig?"........and we both had a good laugh about it......

There'll be some Rock'n'Roll Thunder in Heaven Tonight!

Just to let all you GBer's in The NYC area know....

I'll be playing a gig at The Baggott Inn in Greenwich Village on Friday, 5th of July...come along and I'll sing as many Band songs as I can for you..........


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Byrds Tribute Band

I really got to disagree with you Richie Powell about the Byrds Trubute Band being a farce, for a couple of reasons. I dont think either Gene or Michael had fallen on hard times, although I cant swear to this. The 2 Hillman, McGuinn and Clark albums Gene had done sold OK and Gene was working pretty regularly on solo stuff. Michael had been in both Parson Burrito Brothers and the Light Rock outfit Firefall in the years after the Byrds, so I doubt either were wondering where there next meal was coming from. But the biggest reason I dont see it as a farce is how the billed it, 2 original members, plus Skip Baitlan who played bass on I think 4 Albums, could have legitimately been called themselves the Byrds. But unlike every other time a couple former members have regrouped, other than Plant and Paige, they didnt bill themselves as the group but rather a tribute. To me that showed a ton of class, nothing ticks me off more than going to some club to see the Lovin Spoonful and the drummer and thee guys Ive never seen are on stage. I have a feeling after the 1973 album there might have been a handshake agreement not to use the name without everyone there though. The Hillman, Clark and McGuinn released albums together under a name other than the Byrds seems to indicate that as well. As for the current Byrds group that doesnt have a single members who ever played on a Byrds album, ive been told somehow they bought the rights to the name from Michael Clarke's widow, although Im not sure of that.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John Entwistle/Beach Boys

Firstly, the Beach Boys article is definately a hoax; no by-line, etc. Better be anyways. On John Entwhistle: Jesus Lopez! What a downer! I just posted that Who link just the other day. Scroll down and check it out. Way too sad in retrospect. they were heading into the studio again too.


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Posted by:

Donald Hanhams

Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: John and Rick

My two favorite bass players of all time. Gone. I am only 25 and I absolutely love The Band and Th Who. Trust me, not many my age listen to this great music. What hurts me the most is that I will never get the chance to see either live. God bless both of 'em. One question to any "Who fans on here. Does John sing lead on "My Wife". I thought it was John but have read in places it was Roger. Thanks guys. P.S. - Even though I have to work tommorow, I am getting drunk much like I did when Rick passed. Take care all.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Robert Blake Trivia Answer is....

Hey Hey Hey "Electra Glide In Blue" (?)


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Posted by:

G-Man

John Entwistle,,,,,too soon gone. Time goes on,,,life ends sooner or later!!! See your favorites while ya still can!!


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

The Who's Bass Player John Entwistle Dead at 57

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - John Entwistle, the bass player for veteran British rock band The Who, died in Las Vegas on Thursday at age 57, just one day before the group was set to begin a North American tour in the city, the Clark County Coroner said.

Entwistle, a bearded, taciturn type affectionately known as "Ox," died at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, said coroner Ron Flud. An investigation was under way into the cause of death, he added.

The Who, known for such hits as "My Generation," "Pinball Wizard" and "Won't Get Fooled Again," were scheduled to begin their three-month tour in a small club at the hotel.

With Entwistle's death, The Who are down to just two original members, singer Roger Daltrey and guitarist/songwriter Pete Townshend. Original drummer Keith Moon died of an accidental pill overdose in 1978.

In addition to playing bass, Entwistle helped out on backing vocals. His songwriting contributions to The Who were sporadic, mostly limited to a few album tracks and B-sides. He released a half-dozen solo albums.

Entwistle, who was born in the London suburb of Chiswick on Oct. 9, 1944, joined Daltrey in a forerunner of The Who in the early 1960s while working as a tax clerk. The band ultimately took shape in 1964 and made an immediate impression with its "Mod" stylings and its expensive habit of trashing all its stage equipment after each set.



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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Web: My link

Sadly, there was another Rock and Roll death today, Timothy White, editor in chief at Billboard magazine and a great journalist, passed away from a heart attack at 50. Anyone who's read Billboard can remember his great articles.


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Posted by:

The Tennster

Yes, Mike D., I can confirm that Capital Records also plans to release future editions of Cahoots with the new line, "The whole group of friends was standing on the banks of the river." "Daniel And The Sacred Harp" is going to be permamently removed from Stagefright, and "When You Awake" is going to end with the line, "If I thought it would do any good/I'd stand on the rock where the old man stood." Apparently, this is being done with Robbie's blessings. It's about Goddamn time, I say. I've also heard that "King Harvest" is now going to be called "Royal Harvest (Has Surely Come)," but I can't confirm that.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: John Entwhistle

So I get home from work and skim my usual boards and see, John Entwhistle, has passed away? What the heck happened? Damn.......John was not that old. This is very sad.


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Ox

yeah, a shame about John Entwislte...I have (had) tickets for Chicago...*uck! This sucks!

Mike


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: beyond rural

Paul,,,,Electro Glide in Blue ?

That was filmed in Victorville,California the town I was born.

That's bummer news about John Entwhistle,,,I believe The Who were just about to start a 22 show tour any day now.

RIP Ox.


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Posted by:

paul godfrey

Web: My link

Subject: robert blake trivia

OK boys & girls...and everyone in between...its Robert Blake trivia time.

What was the name of the movie and soundtrack album that had a huge fold-out motorcyle poster in it? The winner gets to dream up the next question?

shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Web: My link

Subject: John Entwistle/Beach Boys

Long D., I checked out alt.music.who and I saw nothing about it. But that doesn't mean something didn't happen. Damn, I hope not!!!

Also, for you Beach Boy/general music fans, check out the link. Is it sick or what? Since it's Capitol Records, is The Band next? I sure as hell hope not!!! They are now trying to rewrite history.I'm curious about everyone's opinions on this subject.

Mike


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: sad news...

John Entwhistle died today. The only member of The Who I liked. He was 57.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: John Entwistle? Say it ain't so.

Twilight's post has me completely discombobulated. Is The Ox gone? I went to a few websites, but didn't see anything about it. Gee, I hope it's misinformation. My prayers and thoughts go out to Entwistle family.

THE OX ROCKS


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: various posts

Richie___ That film is called "The Crossing Guard" Robbie almost gets his head ripped off by an irate Jack who was definately in character that day! It's a good film all around.

Dr. Pepper___ Please check out "Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here" along with "In Cold Blood". Blake has also taken little bit roles and parts that would have been nothing to practically any other actor and made them shine like jewels in the sun! The sure sign of a quality actor.

Amanda__ Boy you're right about that Flatlanders record! I own the one that's about 30 years old also. A couple of years back they released a soundtrack to "The Horse Whisperer" The Flatlanders done a wonderful piece on there called "The South Wind Of Summer" That's a really nice soundtrack!

When I bought Robbie's "Contact" record I was sure that I'd hear my favorite song out of the "Making A Noise" documentary. I was so disapointed that "Paint Yourself" wasn't there! I would have preferred him leaving "Take Your Partner By The Hand" or "Rattlebone" off the disc and put "Paint Yourself" there instead!

Sorry for rattlin' on..there was just a lot to comment on today.


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Posted by:

twilight

Location: ann arbor, mi

Subject: John Entwistle

just bummin about the loss of one of my favorite bass players. w/ keith moon - heaven's greatest rhythm section.


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Posted by:

richie powell.

Location: wales.

Subject: robbie in films.

nice one ray. technical advisor levon! i cant stop laughing. i must go to bed. its late here in wales. see you all.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: byrds/band

Richie, the bootleg I have also features the great Richard Manuel, as well as Rick and Blondie. Thank you Mr. Viney! Anyway, it's from May 16, 1985 in Evansville, IN. It features Gene Clark, Michael Clarke, Rick, Richard, John York, Blondie, and Rick Roberts. It clocks in at 70+ highly nostalgic minutes.

David Powell, are you interested? ;-)


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Band/Boss

has anyone else out there who, like me, ordered Last Waltz from Amazon.com, gotten an e-mail offering a price break to Band fans who want to buy the new Springsteen????????????


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Trivia answer: That movie would be "The Crossing Guard" directed by Sean Penn, with technical advisor Levon Helm...


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales.

Subject: robbie in films.

which film did robbie robertson play angelica hustons husband, and get smacked in the face by jack nicholson , who was playing her ex husband.? see you.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: 80's band/byrds link.

nice one long d.operator. your more or less there. in the mid 80's original byrds members gene clark and michael clarke hit upon hard times. they formed a byrds 20th anniversary tribute. somehow rick danko and blondie chaplin got involved in this farce. eventually the group disintegrated with only michael clarke remaining, pretty soon palming himself off as a fully fledged byrds outfit.good night all from wales.


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Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Location: New Hampshire

Subject: alfalfa

Charlie, I can hear the resemblance but can't see it.


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Dave Z: Nice to hear that you are enjoying Jim Weider's, "Remedy", as much as I am! So many great song's on this Cd. I especially enjoy JWB's, version of the "Weight". Mavis Staples, singing lead vocals, adds so much for me! My all time favorite song will always be, "Hidden in Plain Sight". The words to that songs, has so meaning. Of course, this is the only song that seems to skip on my Cd player!

Another great Cd, is Van's "Down the Road". Van, proves once again, that he still has it! "Down the Road" "Steal my Heart Away" "Georgia on My Mind" (wow!) and "only a Dream". I just ordered "Whispering Pine's", and often wished that Richard and Van would of had that opportunity to do a record together! Oh, just to hear Van and Richard singing, Georgia together!

This is one summer for some great music, great show's, and great friends!


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: new show listing

im sure Jan will post this when he gets it,, but i just got off the phone,, so here is advance notice,,,,,,

Levon & the Barn Burners @ The Ram's Head,,,, Annapolis Md,

wed aug 14th,,,,

2 shows ,,,,,, 7 & 930 pm,,, box office #,,,,410 - 268 - 4545

book early & often,,,,,,,,,,

hope to see a whole lotta you,,,,,, butch


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Posted by:

G-Man

Dave Z,,,,,lost ya E address! 8/3 be super time!! REMEDY,, rocks the house,,right!!!!! Be glad to assist with road trip!


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

I hope Robbie puts Paint Yourself, the Trudell number, on his box set... Meanwhile, I have been enjoying this extremely hot n' muggy MN weather... windows rolled down, JWB's Remedy CRANKED!!! just about everyday... the Dylan cover is so cool, and now we know how you would add a guitar solo to it... lot's of funky beats too... Not a bad song on it... I think I like this version of Remedy better than the Band's take on it... and I'm glad they did The Weight differently... kinda takes you somewhere else like the Danko version of Wheel... the instrumental songs are just wonderful... a fun summer CD... I'm looking forward to the Crowmatix one when it comes out...

Anybody, gonna go to the JWB/Crowmatix/Garth show in Woodstock in early August? I'm eyeing it up if I can find a relatively cheap way to get there from MN... maybe a road trip with the wife and kids... hmm?


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Re:Dylan movie

Richard/Carmen: So sorry! I really didn't see your posts about the Dylan movie...although with car accidents and stuff going on around here... I admit my attention span hasn't been at full capacity. The film does sound interesting though..and like I said..I'm all scooby-dood out :-)

Don't be too disappointed Jan. You know my very favorite Norwegian is now... and always will be.. Jonas Fjeld :-) Hug.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: WOW!

David Powell, nice assemblage!

What can I do to get a copy of that? I'd be happy to trade a CDR of "Gene Clark & Friends", which is a quasi-Byrds outfit featuring Rick Danko and Richard Manuel. Rick and Richard are in fine form, and do a handful of Band songs in addition to helping out on the Byrds chestnuts. Hey, I think I just answered the trivia question from a couple of posts ago!

If you want to do a trade, David, drop me an email at: LD0perator@aol.com


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: RR CD-R

Regarding the Robbie Robertson film soundtrack compilation that I mentioned yesterday -- I didn't plan out the CD-R ahead of time; I just stacked up the various LP & CD sources and let it rip. I tried to get a mix of both instrumental and vocal cuts along with some superb guest vocalist cameos. With a few exceptions, I think it's basically in chronological order. Here's the rundown:

From the "Carny" LP
1 - Garden of Earthly Delights
2 - Pagan Knight (two carnival side-show bump & grinds)
3 - The Fat Man (RR sings Fats Domino with Gary Busey on drums & vocals)

From "The Color of Money" LP
4 - Don't Tell Me Nothin' (the great Willie Dixon on vocals with RR on guitar)
5 - Modern Blues
6 - The Main Title (two RR instrumental collaborations with the late Gil Evans)

From "The King of Comedy" LP
7 - Between Trains (inspired singing by RR with Richard Manuel & Garth Hudson on
synth -- what more can be said!)
8 - Wonderful Remark (Van the Man waltzing again with RR on guitar)

From "Jimmy Hollywood" CD
9 - Slo Burn (the title says it all -- six minutes of RR guitar with the Gil Evans Orchestra on board for the ride)
10- Let The Good Times Roll (RR duet with Cassandra Wilson)
11- Bad Intentions
12- The Far, Lonely Cry of Trains (two more interesting instrumentals)

From the "Scrooged" CD
13- Christmas Must Be Tonight (RR's own take on the chestnut)

From the "Phenomenon" CD
14- Crazy Love (the unique Aaron Neville sings Van Morrison with RR on guitar)

From "Any Given Sunday Vol. II" CD
15- Amazing Grace (instrumental)
16- Out of the Blue (RR with a phat mellow tone on his guitar for this instrumental version)
17- Carry Me (RR on vocal & guitar)
18- Ghost Dance (Saber Remix)

[Had some room left over on the disc, so I added my two favorite songs from RR's first two solo albums -- bringing the compilation in just under 80 minutes]

From "Storyville" import LP
19- Breakin' The Rules (RR singing with the amazing Paul Buchanan & Blue Nile)

From the Mobile Fidelity gold CD version of "Robbie Robertson"
20- Fallen Angel (what better song to end the disc!)


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: byrds/band link.

thanks for your response john d. im just off down the pub for a couple of beers. before i go heres another teaser. can you or anyone else think of a byrds/band link from the mid 80's. clue.its got nothing to do with dylan. best of luck.


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Posted by:

Billy

Location: Nashville

Subject: Capitol Records/Levon

In mid 2001. Levon was working with Tim Wilson doing two projects. One was an oldies, which may have been titled "Atlanta to Memphis". I've lost contact with everyone, and just discovered this website. If anyone has knowledge of this, please let me know. Thanks! Billy B.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Dylan

BTW: I think John Goodman will make an excellent Albert Grossman :-)


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: LIL... Re: NEW DYLAN FILM

LIL: Scroll down to Jun 26 00:02:25 CEST 2002 for all the details on the new Dylan film...

I'm feeling very ignored here :-(... (Just kidding).


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Posted by:

Ed Blayzor

Location: New York

Subject: Ray: new Crowmatix cd

Ray i picked up the new Cromatix cd at Rhythyms in Woodstock, it is a great cd much like the Over the Edge cd.I also picked up the great new Jim Weider cd this week.... I got the Last Waltz boxed set & DVD for Fathers Day and DFA`s One More Shot earlier this month as well as Richard`s Whispering Pines on the way....now if i only had enough time to listen to all this great music.


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Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Subject: Biffalo Bull; Ya-Ya; Louisiana Red

Biffalo Bull: Do we have to limit our investments to $100, or can I send a grand? And can I report you to the S.E.C. for solicitation of unregistered securities?

Viney: I have the Ya Ya soundtrack album, and it's good. T-Bone is quite obviously doing a cajun version of his "O Bro." soundtrack, and there is indeed a new Zimmie contribution. T-Bone's ex-Alpha Band partner David Mansfield is co-credited with doing the movie's music, but not the soundtrack album. I recommend the album, but not the movie -- although I've not even seen the film myself. I'm afraid to: I understand the theaters are denying admission to anyone bearing a pair of testicles. I read one review where the reviewer's screening was 3/4 full, yet there were only 2 men in the crowd (and I assume those men either owed big favors or were women in disguise). Indeed, if you go, Viney, I think you'll find yourself more accepted if you show up in drag.

The new Louisiana Red album is supposed to have a photo inside of Red getting the key to the city of Woodstock, as Muddy got when he did his Woodstock album. But the photo shows a plaque being presented to Red which says in full: "Woodstock Welcome/Iverson Minter *Louisiana Red*/Good Luck & Success on Your Woodstock Album/March 10, 2001." That's no key to the city! Even our own Tim "SUNDOG" got the mayor of Madison to declare a "Merl Saunders Day" (my kid & I helped present it, gracias to SUNDOG). Couldn't Woodstock do better than a chintzy "Good Luck" plaque?

By the way, whoever Red's got drumming on that album is sure hot!

Pls. don't flame me over the "testicles" and "drag" remarks, OK? (Just bein' feisty -- lighten up!)


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Alfalfa's Connection to The Band

Dr. Pepper: Alfalfa (of OUR GANG, aka LITTLE RASCALS fame) looks and sings a lot like Neil Young if you ask me...


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Blondie Chaplin

http://theband.hiof.no/band_members/blondie_chaplin.html
http://theband.hiof.no/albums/blondie_chaplin.html


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Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Subject: Robert Blake and Robbie

Hey Rosalind, I am an open-minded guy. I will watch "In Cold Blood" again. To be honest with you I remember the book more than the movie. Can't remember Robert Blake in the movie. You are right about him being most noted for that lousy cop series he was in. As far as age I don't know how old you are and I am still trying to figure out how young I am. BUT I do think he comes in third behind Alfalfa and Buckwheat. Spanky was kind of lame IMO. As far as Robbie goes, you are right he is making a helluva lot more money than the rest of the guys. I think that is the big issue. I have no idea what Garth thinks of the Robbie/royalty situation but Rick agreed with Levon despite the fact he appeared on at least one of Robbie's solo records.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: The Adirondack Line

Not necessarily Band related.....

Has anyone here ever taken Amtrak's Adirondack line out of NYC as far north as Rouses Point, NY? I am planning a trip in the fall and would really appreciate any recommendations you might offer.

Please email.

Thanks all.


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: beach boys / band link

well done john d. it was blondie chaplin, who briefly stepped into the breach with the band, after richard m. passed away. your prize is in the post!


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Dylan and The Ya-Yas

The new Dylan movie that is being filmed right now, is the best news in a long time. I also read where he is composing for a Civil War film from Ted Turner Productions.

I thought Divine Secrets of The Ya Ya Sisterhood might be too "girlie" for this crowd. I am delighted that a film with strong female characters was mentioned. I did see the film as all good Southern girls should and I thought the music was excellent...Taj Mahal, Alison Krauss, Mahalia Jackson and Bob Dylan during closing credits with some of the most poetic lyrics I've heard from him in a long time. Ashley Judd is outstanding as the young Vivian.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Dylan Movie

DLil- A few weeks ago I posted a USA Today or Fox (I can't remember) web site detailing the new Dylan Movie.

Regarding RR film music, for my money "Between Trains" may be one of RR best songs ever. With Richard also on this song, it makes it even better.

Best Regards to all GB'ers!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: UK sources

For UK readers - SPIN mail order in Newcastle (0191 261 4741) tell me that they can get "Whispering Pines" and will try to obtain "Remedy" from the same source. Having been caught twice by couriers for £25 customs clearance fees, I prefer to buy mail order from the UK. SPIN always have Band related stuff early.

Haven't seen the "Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood" yet- it was on in Orlando, but with jet-lag I didn't fancy my chances of staying awake through a late night movie so will wait for the UK release. Surprised to see no comments on the soundtrack yet- a new Dylan, a new Macy Grey, produced by T-Bone Burnett (fresh from "O Brother ;").


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: BLONDIE CHAPLIN

Also worked with Rick Danko


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: zeppelin sings dylan

check out the new album, 'dreamland' by Robert Plant'.its a covers album with 3 new songs. it includes an amazing cover of Dylan's 'one more cup of coffee before i go'from the Desire album. youll either love it or hate it. the album itself is excellent, with Plant in fine voice throughout. see you.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Beach Boys /Band Link

OOH OOH MR. KOTTER I changed my mind. Blondie Chaplin


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Beach Boys Band

Richie.......was it Billy Hinche by any chance????


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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

Subject: The Flatlanders/not Band related

I would like to recommend a new cd...Now Again by The Flatlanders (link above). I like to keep my posts pretty much Band related, but I have loved these guys for years, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Joe Ely and Butch Hancock. I was thrilled that they had some new music and thought I would share the news.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: eBay Notice

Sorry to come in again and post so soon but I was checking eBay this morning just for something to do and I found a special something in Robbie's section. It is a "Guitar Player" magazine with Robbie on the cover. What is so special about it is the fact that it's Rick's subscription copy with label intact! Sent to his old Malibu address. It comes with another Guitar Player mag with Robbie on the cover and a copy of "This Wheels On Fire" and a little something else that I can't remember now. It's a good deal too...under 20 bucks for everything! I just thought that the little address label would be worth mentioning here. I got watery eyed just lookin' at it. Hey Jerry, That little package would be perfect for you!


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Posted by:

jh

Lil', thou shalt not have other web sites than theband.hiof.no. I'm so disappointed! Is it because the Excpecting Rain web master (Karl Erik) is Norwegian, too?


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Posted by:

richie powell

Location: wales

Subject: brian wilson in concert

i love the band. yes there are band fans in wales, home of tom jones(yuk).i saw them in 1996, not great. rick was unwell. still, their magic will endure forever. i saw brian wilson the other week. awsome. the whole of pet sounds live. question. which ex member of the beach boys toured with the band during the 80's. take care everyone!


Entered at Thu Jun 27 13:38:39 CEST 2002 from spider-wp042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.201.192)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nJ
Web: My link

Subject: Movies

If you get a chance - GO SEE MINORITY REPORT !!!! Mr. Spielberg has made an amazing movie. Good solid script - great concept - well acted - This is one of the best big budget adult action/adventure films I've seen in years. 5 stars out of 5 stars.


Entered at Thu Jun 27 13:30:45 CEST 2002 from 64-80-53-215-static.surferz.net (64.80.53.215)

Posted by:

Lil Again

Subject: Never Mind :-)

According to the "expecting rain" site (which I should've checked first)..the film is called "Masked and Anonymous" and filming begins in July. As someone who just sat through 2 hours of "scooby-doo" the other night.. I am very much looking forward to this :-)


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Dylan at the movies (?)

I just caught the tail end of this on the radio here and was wondering if anyone has heard about it and has more info? Something about a new movie coming out with Penelope Cruz and Bob Dylan? Dylan's supposed to be playing his own music in the film. Didn't catch the title or when it's coming out. Anyone? Thanks.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: Nj
Web: My link

Pehr and rosalind - Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoyed the site.


Entered at Thu Jun 27 12:52:31 CEST 2002 from 64-80-53-220-static.surferz.net (64.80.53.220)

Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Levon in Pine Plains

Aww geez Butch.. Pine Plains?? I could _walk_ there it's so close. Unfortunately, I've already committed myself (and stop thinking 'it's about time' :-) to the son of a very good friend's graduation party that night. Can you write me a note to get out of it? :-)


Entered at Thu Jun 27 12:24:37 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Land O Lakes

Subject: I Am I Said

Yeh Roz Sparky is fine as is Jerry, Well I don't currently own a powder blue suit but must confess that at a earlier juncture in my life that wasn't the case, talk about an ugly time..As for picking up Helms book, I may have to do that but definatley read it keeping in mind who's writting it. I'm sure there was some greed involved but I like these guys for what they were, there relationship now does not affect me in the least bit, shit I just wish I had someone to argue with over a few million though... Not only would I sing "I Am I Said" in a powder blue suit but if called for I would sing it buck ass naked if I could find the 20,000 or so suckers paying those Neil ticket prices...(on second thought, I would have a better shot wearing the blue suit, than the naked deal)...Have a good weekend...


Entered at Thu Jun 27 10:25:54 CEST 2002 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Testing...

...again


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: hmm

Well...since I kinda brought it up. Hey Neil, Do you mind if I address to you as "Sparky" instead of Neil Diamond? Unless you have a powder blue suit and a mic and sing "I am I said" every night of course. Do Ya hun? I think it would be better if you got Levon's book to find out why he's not too well liked around here sometimes..well all the time actually. Nobody risks bringing it up anymore. It's in remission. I got a copy of the book, paid 22 bucks for it. You can find it on eBay for about 4 bucks. It's a interesting read. That "Next Waltz" chapter will send you across the room. If definately as you say, "one-sided" uh-huh!

I'm not hell-bent on supporting Robertson altho I do think he's taken quite enough already!

Pehr, Sorry I spelled your tag wrong...hope I got it right this time.


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Posted by:

long distance operator

Subject: smoke two joints

i smoke two joints in times of peace

and two in times of war

i smoke two joints before i smoke two joints

and then i smoke two more


Entered at Thu Jun 27 07:05:32 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Subject: **you know the routine**

Enlighten me, what the heck did RR do to be accused of having no charcter?? being a new Band fan and all its interesting at the number of times this guy gets trashed in here, I guess I could buy Levons book, but for some reasen I'm guessing thats a little one sided, Ive heard the credits on the songs thing but what else?? did he put crazy glue on Helms sticks? Ive always heard those great song writters have a dark side


Entered at Thu Jun 27 06:47:27 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: 10,000 puddles

Subject: **PLEASE IGNORE THIS POST**

Krap.... for a minute I thought I was in the PMS GB, wow Tammy baby, cool down hun!! we aint all bad


Entered at Thu Jun 27 06:10:10 CEST 2002 from dialup-67.28.43.39.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.28.43.39)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

G-Man, methinks thou doth protest too much.


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Richard Manuel and the Band on "Black and Blue"

Wow! Fantastic. I'm sitting here surfing with the relatives watching the tube when in the back ground of "Black and Blue", comes Richard Manuel singing "Whispering Pines"! Mainstream TV! Great feeling! Cheers-Rollie


Entered at Thu Jun 27 05:29:09 CEST 2002 from dialup-67.25.135.54.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.25.135.54)

Posted by:

G-Man

Pehr,,ya got it, bro!! Never met Robertson,,so can't judge! Funny how some folks get all bent on defendin, et..Me,,,, it's each they own re. The Band(I & II), JWB,,LHBB,,and The Corwmatix! Hell,,this ain't life or death,,or combat! Keep Rockin!!


Entered at Thu Jun 27 05:07:12 CEST 2002 from m198214181177.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.177)

Posted by:

pehr

Subject: sorry g man

no harm meant by me G man. I didnt, and still dont get what the SOS refers to. I figured it was a cry for help of some kind but blew it off. Later I felt like supporting Rosalinds take (which I presumed was similar to my own, i.e.... RR needs help of some kind in coming up with good material????) by saying I like RR's work alot, it continues to grow on me. The burning of cd's was just a pun, a light attempt at humor, mainly addressed to Mr Powell, whose post from yesterday I connected with thru the thread of your SOS post and Rosalind, (Phew) and not malicious personally toward you, or anyone. sorry.

RR's personal character seems to be a hot topic in here from time to time, though I personally find the topic tiresome and depressing. I'm not very much interested in getting involved with that kind of thing,though I doubt anyone's qualifications to be a meaningful judge on the issue.


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Posted by:

Jon

Location: Show-Me-State

Subject: BIFFALO BULL-THE LOST WURLITZER

Could you please press a few 78 RPM versions? My Hank Williams and old Elvis records are almost worn out.


Entered at Thu Jun 27 04:55:22 CEST 2002 from dialup-67.25.135.54.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.25.135.54)

Posted by:

G-Man

Well Dutch,,,,ya know me and D-1 may just head there! Unless we get that RR show!!!!! We wouldda been in Finalnd but my passport got slammed!! Kinda nice deal at Sacket's seein all them player's!! Now if that weren't the real deal!!


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Posted by:

Chris

Location: Chicago

Subject: ain't that always the way

Dammit....Butch that sounds like one hell of a show. I'll be at summerfest in Milwaukee catching the Phil Lesh and friends, Allman Brother's Band and Lucinda Williams triple bill no less. Check out the irony in that my brother. Hate to miss what sounds like a great show.

Have fun!

Peace


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Press awareness

You don't think Mr. Robertson is aware of the bad press and the knock down punches he's gotten over the last 10 years? Is that what you're saying G-Man? Get Real! Sorry if I misunderstood your SOS post tho. I'm relatively new here and I don't know everyone's stand on the miserable mess referred to as the "fued." or even the musical preferences of y'all.

I'm glad Petr and I agree that Robbie's solo stuff is something to be admired to say the least! Robbie should be mighty proud of his post-Band work!

Back in 87 when RR's first album was released, I remember one night I was sitting in the livingroom with an FM station on. This DJ was talking about this "brand new artist" from Canada that had been "creating such a buzz in the music world with his first solo album." Naturally my ears perked up to hear this brand new terrific sound out of Canada! Yeah! You know what they followed the introduction to that "new" artist with? "Showdown At Big Sky" No Shit! I laughed and reached for the phone to call this wanker up and nail him and tell him to buy a guide or something! I stopped dead when I realized that maybe OL 44 year old, roadhouse veteran, 30 year rock and roll legend, musical genius Robbie would have appreciated that introduction!


Entered at Thu Jun 27 04:30:15 CEST 2002 from spider-wc063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.48)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: the blues

Last Announcement !!!!!!!!!!!!!

this Saturday,,,in Pine Plains NY

@ 8 pm & 930 pm,,,,,,

Levon Helm & The Barn Burners with guest bassist Tony Garnier , from bob dylans band,,

These fellas play hot, real, chicago & delta blues,,, They Rock,,,,,

a show in a small bier garden, outside,,, hot summers night,,, like the Juke Joints,,,,,,

come join us,,,,

G-Man,, with your guru Rando across the pond ,, come hear some good music,, & we wont put ya to work,,,,

G-Man is The Ultimate Fan,,, Friend !!!!!!!! the Best !!!!

see you smart ones in Pine Plains,,,,, butch


Entered at Thu Jun 27 03:51:18 CEST 2002 from h86.goes.com (208.223.139.86)

Posted by:

Manzo

This compilation of RR. film material sounds very tasty indeed, especially the Carny stuff. Too bad it's out of print cause I keep hearing about Robbie's hot licks on Garden of Earthly Delights. Did this track make your compilation, David? Anyway one of the greatest songs ever recorded, including any Lennon Mcartney tune is Easy Hearts by Ryan Adams. Powerful songwriting! You gotta check this out. "You move away when you're young, they take away where you're from and all the things out in the trees fall away into the breeze and if the money isn't right can I be yours tonight, I've had a pretty hard life and such an easy heart."


Entered at Thu Jun 27 02:30:37 CEST 2002 from dialup-67.25.134.176.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.25.134.176)

Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: Vying for Band Expert of the Week

I love the presumptuousness!!! I never have been critical of Robertson's musical talent!!! My post related to a discussion re. a NEW set of RR music,that I had heard about! Then, others mentioned a release of another boxed set which to me would be the SOS!!! Actually,,I heard that RR was releasing some new stuff(in the works); very reliable source!! I do have all of his music!! Then to be tagged a Levonista(thought Mr. Helm was from Arkansas), whatever that is ? Jesus the Christ, have we ever met to discuss and understand my views, and yours'? Dang,,,Robertson was supposed to go out with Clapton and Ginger Baker and some others (early 90's)but it fell through-wouldda been great!!!!There is a BIG difference between CHARACTER and PRESS awareness!!! Talented YES,,,CHARACTER,,,No Way!!!


Entered at Thu Jun 27 02:21:13 CEST 2002 from cpe0080c6ea3120.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (65.48.85.247)

Posted by:

BIFFALO BULL

Subject: THE LOST WURLITZER

ground floor oppurtunity, looking for investors to fund a major rockumentary, if interested please send $100 US to me. you will receive one share and a mention in the credits. open your mind this could be a money maker, just ask robbie. there are plans for sequels on an on going basis, with limited edition vinyl, 8-track(a few), cassette, cd, video, dvd, digital downloads, and whatever else is possible.

its basically about our favourite musicians, with robbies music included(i happen to like alot of his stuff), as well as a host of guest artists, and various configurations of the musicians doing what they do best, entertaining the people. the script is still in development, with all input seriously considered. i am not sure of the director, but woul not mind JAN as an executive producer, and good old Diamond Lil as a narrator.

so folks please consider this offer because i likes the money and the music


Entered at Thu Jun 27 02:02:36 CEST 2002 from m198214182153.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.182.153)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: rosalind

rosalind while you are here I agree w/ your recent RR/ G-man post. I have all his official post band releases and think its damn good music. I cant wait to hear the new stuff.

BTW I believe it was David Powell who posted yesterday about a comp cd he burned of RR's movie music. I'm very intrigued. David would you be so kind to email me at your convenience at pehr1960@yahoo?

I bet levon, Gman and some of the other Levonistas would like to "Burn" some RR cd's as well!


Entered at Thu Jun 27 01:48:23 CEST 2002 from netcache-1115.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.132)

Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Brien's Photographs

Yes Brien, Your photographs are Lovely!


Entered at Thu Jun 27 01:31:03 CEST 2002 from m198214182153.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.182.153)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Brien Sz's photography

Brien just checked out your site. Love your photographs.


Entered at Thu Jun 27 01:24:17 CEST 2002 from spider-th073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.78)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: NJ
Web: My link

Subject: Who???

Tammy's posted here before???


Entered at Thu Jun 27 00:10:07 CEST 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Posted by:

RAY

Location: NY

Subject: New Prof.Louie & Crowmatix-Flyin` High

Ed Blayzor: I read your post regarding the New Prof. Louie CD. Just wondering if it is available through Woodstock Records? If not where did you find it? Thanks from Ray


Entered at Wed Jun 26 23:33:48 CEST 2002 from netcache-1115.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.132)

Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: G-man's post

Well, since no one else seems to care enough to comment on that off-the-wall post, I wish to "respectfully disagree!" Robbie Robertson can be accused of a lot of things BUT he can NEVER be legitimately accused of not being full of musical surprises! From his first solo album to his most current, this guy has NEVER failed to bring something fresh and new to the playing field!

SOS huh? He seems to be doing alright! He's looking good, He's playing good and he's making a hell of a lot of money I bet! I give him one other thing. He's not making a fool of himself in the press! He's been taking it on the chin with his mouth closed! That's called CHARACTER!


Entered at Wed Jun 26 22:10:24 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: The Word

John: I heard The Word last year. After being baptized, I sought salvation, put my money in the collection plate and bought a copy. That is some definitely soul-shaking music. Robert Randolph's glissandos on the pedal steel remind me of Duane Allman at times! I would love to hear Levon sit in on drums with that group of musicians.


Entered at Wed Jun 26 21:49:44 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Tammy

Tammy: Don't let the door smack your *** on the way out. You don't mean to say that the rest of us are as simplistic and judgemental as you, do you? No wonder your are p***ed.


Entered at Wed Jun 26 21:24:20 CEST 2002 from cache-2.sfrn.ca.webcache.rcn.net (208.59.199.233)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Tammy

......Does that mean me too ?......What'd I do ?......


Entered at Wed Jun 26 21:19:48 CEST 2002 from (199.108.55.25)

Posted by:

Tammy Yates

I'M NOT GOING TO POST IN HERE ANYMORE - YOU'RE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF BORING BORING JERKS - WHO HAVE NO LIFE.


Entered at Wed Jun 26 21:14:28 CEST 2002 from (199.108.55.25)

Posted by:

Tammy

I'm not posting in this stupid board anymore - you're all a bunch of major assholes -


Entered at Wed Jun 26 21:06:03 CEST 2002 from p361.as1.qkr.cork1.eircom.net (159.134.181.105)

Posted by:

luka

Subject: molly

hi molly!!! how are u??thanks for leaving a message. i'm really happy that i kind of got to know the band... i mean there's really not many people at my age listening to this kind of music, which is really a pitty! i enjoy the music of the band, cause THIS IS MUSIC! it's just brilliant. i often wish i was born 20 yaers earlier... it's just not fair that i never got to see all those great musicians live on stage...but what can you do? molly, if you know somebody at my age, listening to the band , please get him to sign the GB! looking forward to your RE. all the best, luka


Entered at Wed Jun 26 19:55:56 CEST 2002 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Molly Girl

Subject: Luka

Hi Luka, I haven't heard from you lately. Thought I would leave you a note. I think it's great that young people are listening to, what is in my opinion, one of the greatest configurations of musicians ever assembled...The Band. I've been listening to them for almost 34 years and their music never grows old. It's timeless and that is a rare thing these days. The Band album is such a masterpiece. Unfaithful Servant is so forelorn that it breaks my heart each time I hear it. Anyway, I hope to hear from you soon. Your friend, Molly


Entered at Wed Jun 26 17:29:27 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: The Who

Interesting CNN article on touring and Pete Townshends willingness to do so to assist Daltrey and Entwhistle financially.


Entered at Wed Jun 26 17:20:03 CEST 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Word

David Powell, I'm sure is familiar with this CD released last year. John Medeski on the organ joins the North Mississippi All-Stars and Robert Randolph for a brilliant country/R&B/Gospel album of brilliant instrumentals. There version of "I'll Fly Away" is brilliant matching Medeski's B3 against the Steel Guitar of Randolph. Gritty and soulful. From one of my new faborite label names...rope-a-dope records.


Entered at Wed Jun 26 14:38:35 CEST 2002 from (192.100.116.114)

Posted by:

glgl

Web: My link

Subject: Re: Family

Davina, if your uncle still had been with us, my advice would've been to keep the horny old bugger away from your daughters :-) But since he's not, I advice you to go to some Marty Stuart web site and ask there instead (e.g. the one linked to above - martyparty.com)


Entered at Wed Jun 26 12:27:41 CEST 2002 from 12-229-41-182.client.attbi.com (12.229.41.182)

Posted by:

Davina McGilvra

Location: Washington

Subject: Family

For Marty Stuart: I am curious to solve a long mystery of the Hills family which my children descend from. Their Uncle Charles Hills had an affair with a women who later married to a man with the last name of Stuart. My children are now older and wandering if there is any truth to the story since their uncle died we do not have all the facts but we do know that he used to play songs with Johnny Cash before he was famous. Do you have any thing to tell us? Thanks much Davina McGilvra


Entered at Wed Jun 26 10:10:22 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Welcome home Al


Entered at Wed Jun 26 10:07:48 CEST 2002 from spider-tp084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.214)

Posted by:

Sean

Location: Indianapolis

Subject: The Band

First off, hello to everyone! I found this site about 5 or 6 months ago but I have never signed the guestbook until now. I was wondering if anyone here can recommend any live shows/studio sessions from The Band to someone who doesn't own anything from The Band except for official releases? And if so, would you be willing to set up a trade or B&P for any of these shows/studio sessions or could you give me any advice as to where the I may find some? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!


Entered at Wed Jun 26 06:32:24 CEST 2002 from dv146s54.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.54.146)

Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Delta road trip

Wow -- check out "What's New" for Jan and Lee's Marvel-ous road trip. Great stuff, surprise guest stars.


Entered at Wed Jun 26 05:30:11 CEST 2002 from dialup-67.25.135.135.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.25.135.135)

Posted by:

G-Man

OL Robbie,,new surprises??? Heard the new boxed set gonna be called,"SOS"!!


Entered at Wed Jun 26 04:14:36 CEST 2002 from dialup-65.56.138.12.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.138.12)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Hank, Frank would have covered Lonesome Suzie, the outtake version. BTW, the photo of Richard on the new album is from TLW, probably Georgia but perhaps Tura Lura Lura.


Entered at Wed Jun 26 03:26:34 CEST 2002 from (193.203.143.74)

Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: Handy Dandy

Sitting here listening to Bob Dylan sing "Oh Babe, it ain't no lie" from an album called "Hard to Find" Vol. 7

Heard a Rick Danko playing in Cork bootleg tonight..........Beautiful!

........and so we sat around listening to this boot and my friend Roy conjected the following:

Which Band songs coulda shoulda Frank Sinatra covered?

Stagefright?........The Shape I'm In?....Ophelia?.........

It's a bit mind-bogglin actually............


Entered at Wed Jun 26 02:43:44 CEST 2002 from svcr-216-37-220-180.dsl.svcr.epix.net (216.37.220.180)

Posted by:

Kevin Gilbertson

Subject: John D - Japan

John D. email me regarding the "Made In Japan" show. kgilbert at epix.net


Entered at Wed Jun 26 01:54:59 CEST 2002 from spider-tm014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.49)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Vinarooo.... Looks like we are both in for a treat. The new "Good Old Boys" has a whole disc of demos featuring Newman's original concept, an album all sung from the point of view of the guy in "Birmingham". See Marcus on "Salon"; it's out over here already. Also some new stuff on the "Sail Away".


Entered at Wed Jun 26 01:24:12 CEST 2002 from dial-212-1-140-247.access.uk.tiscali.com (212.1.140.247)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Location: Liddellpool

Subject: Er??

Hi everyone. Long time - must be 2 months or more. Never mind those 'not long enough ' jibes!! Piss off yer bastards!!! :-) Been offline for various reasons which I would not care to bore you with unless of course I can make one of my stupid jokes out of them.

Owt interesting been happening? Any more 'meaning of America' debates? Has dear old Sergey baby stumbled on the meaning of life yet? What a hoot!!! Scrolling down just a bit it looks like there's no way of catching up on all the shit short of taking a decade's sabbatical or hiring a personal synopsiser - do such people exist by the way? Is there actually such a fuckin werd? Hmmph. Sincere apologies to Sergey baby. Thanks for that Brucie info Carmen. Sounds very promising. Must get that Richard album too. What a cover photo. Don't you just love the fella to bits? An original for sure. If only he could have leant a bit more on all our love and admiration - and all our sheer respect for the real McCoy. The mould for Richard - and dear Rick too - was surely broken once they entered our little coil. By the way, isn't Jim Weider bald? Never have guessed from his guitar playing. :-)


Entered at Wed Jun 26 01:04:50 CEST 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: Amanda

Hey Amanda, you're great!......move over! Holland or France ;-)......


Entered at Wed Jun 26 00:57:28 CEST 2002 from l4duppx2.hewitt.com (63.73.213.5)

Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Subject: Ignoring = ignorance

Hey...you all IGNORED my last post on ignoring posts! My FEELINGS are hurt!

Now please don't ignore THIS post! (Maybe start a thread on Johnny Mathis...?)


Entered at Wed Jun 26 00:32:17 CEST 2002 from dial-212-1-140-247.access.uk.tiscali.com (212.1.140.247)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCE

WOW


Entered at Wed Jun 26 00:02:25 CEST 2002 from ottawa-ppp3517209.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.80)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: New Dylan Film ?

I saw this on another site. Thought some of you might be interested…

Stars take Equity rates in Dylan film
Guardian Unlimited staff
Tuesday June 25 2002
The Guardian

A host of Hollywood stars are to take a pay cut to appear in Bob Dylan's new film Masked and Anonymous.

Penelope Cruz, Jessica Lange, Jeff Bridges, Christian Slater, John Goodman and Mickey Rourke have all agreed to be paid Equity's minimum rate to appear in the folk legend's BBC-funded film, according to the Daily Telegraph

The film, which started filming in secret last week, is set in a post-apocalyptic country where law and order has broken down, and will see the 60-year-old singer play an ageing rock star who is released from prison for a day to play one last concert in the hope of saving the world. The soundtrack promises to feature at least 30 minutes of some classic Dylan tracks.

Penelope Cruz will play a prostitute in the film, and Jeff Bridges a journalist. Jessica Lange will be a concert promoter and Goodman the singer's agent. Larry Charles, who co-produced the hugely successful TV show Seinfeld, will direct.

Dylan's film career up until now has proved relatively unsuccessful. His last two big films, Renaldo and Clara (1978) and Hearts of Fire (1987) were poorly received by the critics and it is believed that Dylan wants this project to be a low key affair with the minimum of fuss and publicity.

It is hoped the film will be ready to showcase at next year's Sundance and Cannes film festivals.

Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: D Powell

Dave Powell, drop me an e mail if you don't mind at cgambone@comcast.net


Entered at Tue Jun 25 22:43:59 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: The "Boss" / RR film music

Carmen: Most of the new Springsteen/E Street Band album was recorded here in Atlanta at Sourthern Tracks Recording. Bruce & the gang were here for three long sessions between January and last month. Since the Boss was often seen around town, the sessions were no secret around here.

Yes, there's a Band connection of sorts -- some of the 1999 Indigo Girls' album, "Come On Now Social", featuring appearances by Garth and Rick, was recorded at Southern Tracks (in addition to Woodstock). Jan has previously posted a photo of Garth with the Indigo Girls at Southern Tracks studio in the Discography Section.

I recently made my own CDR compilation of my favorite RR associated cuts from "Carny", "The King of Comedy", "The Color of Money", "Scrooged", "Jimmy Hollywood", "Phenomenon" and "Any Given Sunday II". When I finished, I was extremely surprised at how good it sounded. Now I prefer that homemade CDR over any of his solo albums.

Regarding Robbie Robertson's film music -- the various soundtrack albums he's worked on are on many different labels. This could present a licensing problem for assembling an "official" compilation. "Carny" and "The King of Comedy" were both on Warner Bros., however, and "Phenomenon" was on Reprise -- so a Rhino/Warner compilation of the best cuts from those three would be extremely feasible.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Bruce - Not Band Related

For the Bruce heads out there check out www.brucespringsteen.net for a sneak listen to a song from his new album due out on July 30th. Sounds like a good one. Both Little Stephen and Nils are on this one and it was produced by Brendan O'Brien whose credits also include Dylan and Niel Young. I guess there is a BAND connection after all.

Regards to all!


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: RR

Thanks D Powell & Bones.

Bones, any thoughts on the possibility of RR's film music being included? I am hoping that Between Trains makes it.


Entered at Tue Jun 25 21:10:21 CEST 2002 from (12.34.17.194)

Posted by:

johnnyflippo

Location: The basement of CBGB's

Subject: Howlin' Wolf tribute

Butch:

How's about seeing if Johannsen has any leftover outfits from his New York Dolls days. If he does, see if you can convince Levon, Mr. Sumlin and the rest of the crew to wear them - if for one night only! I'd love to see some pictures of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Classic Masters Series

I have my fingers crossed, but I really doubt if the Robbie Robertson Classic Masters cd will have any new tracks on it. I checked out the Classic Masters cds for other Capitol artists that have already been issued and they were relatively short (10-12 tracks), inexpensive (9-10$), and had no new songs on them.


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: Southern NYC

Subject: Randy Newman, "Good Old Boys"

Randy Newman’s “Good Old Boys” reissue is a two-disc affair. Disc one sticks a demo of “Marie” after the original album in typically desultory “milk the vaults” fashion. Disc two, however, is a 1973 solo demo session for an early draft of “GOB,” then called “Johnny Cutler’s Birthday,” which includes most of the songs that made the final cut and some that didn’t. Even good little boys who bought the vinyl, the CD, and the box set don’ have it.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: new Band box set

Although I haven't seen a release date, Robbie Robertson is reportedly working on a new Band box set. A while back he told VH-1 that he had been "displeased" with the job Capitol did with 1994 3-disc set, "Across The Great Divide". Robertson said he "didn't like the way it was laid out" and found it "uninteresting". Even worse, Capitol used secondary source tapes for a lot of the material when they couldn't locate the original masters. This problem was corrected (except in the case of the "brown album") when Capitol prepared the most recent reissues from The Band's catalog. According to Robertson, "the people that specialize in lost tapes started finding all theses outtakes and alternate takes I don't even remember doing". Of course, some of this additional material was included as bonus cuts on the reissue series, but Robertson stated that he wants to prepare "the definitive Band collection with lots of surprises and things [he] didn't know existed".


Entered at Tue Jun 25 19:39:40 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-046.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.46)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Randy Newman, Little Feat, Louisiana Red

Ben, I was intending to ignore the post on Good Old Boys but as it’s one of my favourite albums, I won’t ignore it. So if you have the vinyl, the CD and the box set, what are the additions? Distant relative of the brown album? Yes, but this relative is the sardonic cousin who’s also taking the piss somewhat.

Speaking of related albums / styles, I’m always suckered by remasters- I picked up the remastered “Waiting for Columbus” in the USA (hard to get, too- everywhere had the old one, except one store) and I’m not sure I like the sound better (still worth it for bonus tracks and “Don’t Bogart That Joint” though). Sounds bass-heavy to me, a bit like ‘Beautiful Vision’ where the remaster is all bass and cymbals, lacking the balance of the first edition on CD. The original vinyl mix would have compressed the extreme ends, and the first CD probably just copied it.

I ignored Lee’s post on the new Louisiana Red “A Different Shade of Red” too, but now I’ve finally got a copy, I can add another recommendation. Plenty of soul on the blues here, which I like (+ Levon & Garth of course). Plus the big group picture in Woodstock.


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Posted by:

benpike

Location: Cleveland TX

Speaking of being ignored, I'm kind of surprised no one has had anything to say about the expanded "Good Old Boys", an album worthy of being thought of as a not too distant relative of the Brown album....


Entered at Tue Jun 25 19:01:13 CEST 2002 from (205.245.52.67)

Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: RR

Anyone out there in GB land have any info on the box set that RR mentioned during interviews around the time of TLW release or new RR material.

Don't all respond at once, the server may crash!


Entered at Tue Jun 25 18:38:26 CEST 2002 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Is it my tired ol' eyes...

or is Miss Otis Regrets credited to "Coal Porter" on Richard's CD? Here all these years I thought he was named after the slaw...


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Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Location: Chicago

Subject: If the phone don't ring, it's me; Viney/Wilco/Cracker

To those of you whining about your posts not drawing responses: Speaking only for myself, I respond to a post only when I can offer something worthwhile to add. (Albeit my propensity to prolixity probably prods you to ponder this position.)

Often one of you makes a point that has me laughing out loud, but I tend not to respond even to an excellent post, if I have nothing worthwhile to say about it. Similarly, often someone asks a good (or arcane) question, but if I have no answer, I don't post. ("Would someone PLEASE post the set list for the Aug. 18, 1976 Richmond Virginia show??" "What are the tour dates in the Boise area for Richard Bell's barber?", "Does ANYONE know whether Levon Helm inserts his toilet paper rolls so the paper comes over the top or out the bottom?", "Please, PLEASE tell me how to get in touch with Robbie Robertson -- I have some personal, private poems I NEED to get to him!!," etc.)

I do tend to ignore those over-eager posts that try too hard to start a "thread" ("Here's a thread -- let's all post lists of our favorite songs where the drummer uses a cowbell!!" "Let's stop bickering about the Levon/Robbie 'feud' and instead, how about posting our favorite songs with no articles or prepositions in the title!!", "Who are your favorite drummers -- besides, of course, Levon?" [to which the response is, inevitably: "Levon, of course!!"], etc.) In my observation, all the good "threads" start organically, by way of something else -- not some eager-beaver saying "Here's an idea!! Let's all start a THREAD!!" So I ignore those, unless someone specifically asks for my input. (It has happened.)

Welcome back, Viney.

As to the new Wilco album: You have to listen to it a full 8-10 times before it starts sounding good, but then it does.

By the way, I saw Cracker live last weekend, and I still fail to understand why all of you aren't fans. To my ears, Cracker is the band actively working/touring/recording today most like The Band in spirit, sense of humor, intelligence of lyrics, rock 'n' roll feel, etc. I'm not saying they're as good as The Band, but they're the best we've got. Get with it, people!


Entered at Tue Jun 25 16:30:00 CEST 2002 from citrix1.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.5)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: GB

because of this GB I have heard some great stories... details about Concerts I have missed.. great music I have checked out... funny little fights that everyone seems to get in.. boring political BS... met some cool people G-Man & Road Warriors....

I read the GB everyday, post a little here and there no one needs to reply to anything I post.. if you do cool if you don't thats cool too..

just everyone keep posten.. remember no one person (other than Jan) is more important than the GB.. getting all mad and nasty is really only hurtin the GB and the Band's memory because without this site where would we all hear about the Band, its members, the great shows we all have seen??? I owe alot of my fun nights the the Concert section of this site...informing all us where the next Band, Barnburner's, Guru, Crowmatix gigs are.. without that I would be stuck in Rutland VT all year with nothing to do!!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: BAND LIVE IN JAPAN

No bruised ego here -:) Just thought I would ask AGAIN if anyone knows if The Band "Live In Japan" is still available on any format that can be played in North America????????????????????????????????????????????

I don't have a Laser Disc machine; which I think it was on at one time. I also noticed a VHS copy on this site; but I doubt if it is playable in Canada/USA.


Entered at Tue Jun 25 16:25:47 CEST 2002 from va1-a-cache.ono.com (62.42.63.20)

Posted by:

Peter.

Location: Valencia. Spain.
Web: My link

Subject: Good.

Thanks for Tha Band´s music. See you soon.


Entered at Tue Jun 25 16:19:14 CEST 2002 from sc-hiltonhead1b-18.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.20.18)

Posted by:

Amanda...again

Subject: Blues Cruise

I MAY get to go to the Blues Cruise, but only if I make it a reasonably priced trip...no Waldorf-Astoria for me. I haven't been to NYC in 13 years. Please, if anyone is an expert at New York on a budget, email me with the goods. vonvicker"at"yahoo.com


Entered at Tue Jun 25 16:04:25 CEST 2002 from sc-hiltonhead1b-18.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.20.18)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: violence/cliques/new posters

There seems to have been an extreme amount of violence in the 60/70 heyday of rock and roll. The bands, the crew, the groupies, the promoters, security, bouncers, doormen. Drug use appears to be the common denominator...especially cocaine. Cocaine and testosterone seem to be a deadly match. Cocaine always scared the hell out of me.

I have a semi-regular email correspondence with only a few people from the GB. I think that sometimes it seems there may be a clique(s), but its not the case. People just agree with certain posts or disagree or defend another poster, whatever, it doesn't mean they are corresponding privately or have anything else in common. It is easy to say that this is just a GB, but it is a way of social interaction with people who have a common interest in varying aspects of The Band. This is my personal opinion so PLEASE don't get on my case...I just don't consider anyone who likes to post here on a regular basis, a freak or weird or someone who has no life. Obviously, there are many people here who have quite a bit going on in their lives...parents, artists, writers, musicians, teachers, librarians, stay at home moms, lawyers, doctors, DJs, engineers, photographers, I could go on and on. I think we all go a little overboard at times...I know I do...then we recover and hopefully things get back to a semi-normal state.

I like having new posters in and out as well. I really enjoyed Caledonia's posts from a week or so ago...very refreshing. I also appreciated how Caledonia and Pehr respectfully disagreed. The civilized approach seems to be the way to go.


Entered at Tue Jun 25 15:59:15 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-077.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.77)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Technology - Don't Look Back

Mr Duck: ‘Don’t Look Back’ DVD is published by Docurama – see their website docurama.com. I just looked at my copy, and it doesn’t mention regional coding, nor is it marked PAL or NTSC. I think that PAL / NTSC is pretty irrelevant on a DVD as most UK TVs made in the last ten years will show an NTSC picture as long as the source can play it, regional coding is the thing. Many music DVDs are “Region 0” i.e. not coded. I see that The Band at New Orleans (the best 90s Band DVD) is not marked ‘Region 1’ either, but does say NTSC. I can’t tell because my Pioneer is “chipped” to play both Region 1 (N.America) and Region 2 (Europe / Japan), and does so without the need to change code – which some makes require. The technology confuses me because Europe is either PAL (e.g. UK, Germany) or SECAM (e.g. France) and Japan is NTSC – but they’re all Region 2. Also, even if you have a dual-standard VCR player, you can instantly see the difference between PAL and NTSC with VHS tapes (SECAM’s slightly better than PAL and PAL is way better than NTSC) but I can’t see any difference in quality between Region 1 and Region 2 on DVD. If the DVD’s Region 0 and your TV is under 10 years old, the chances are that it’ll play. I’d suggest checking with docurama.com. If it’s Region 1 you could get your player “chipped” and get the Last Waltz too.


Entered at Tue Jun 25 15:56:27 CEST 2002 from cs242228-7.houston.rr.com (24.242.228.7)

Posted by:

Laura Lorfing

Location: Houston

Thanks for the post Lil. As for my little one...Rhett will be 1 year old July 3rd. It's hard to believe he is walking and talking..what happened to the time?? Scary! On a Band note...anyone who doesn't have Levon's video of "Highway 61 revisited"...you must check this out. I just saw it at a friends house a few weeks back (hello Adela) and its' great! Seeing Levon driving down the open road in that classic car is worth it right there. All of the wonderful places he visits gives you such a great taste of the south! Peace All!


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: 'cliques'

Laura Lorfing: (Hi! Hope all is well with your little guy). I've always hated the idea of "cliques". and if that seems to be happening too much here.. thanks for speaking up about it. I think the idea that some of us have just known each other longer (most of us have met) plays a big part in that. I try to welcome new folks (it's always nice to get some new blood/new thoughts in here.. but sometimes it's just difficult to reply to everyone. I am however, going to make a conscius effort to try and reply to alot of the new "neighbors" in this little community. Everyone's opinion is important, where they're agreed with or disagreed with. The one thing we all have in common is our love for this Band of ours.. and all the wonderful music.

And on that note.. Carol Sue.. welcome! I agree with you about Robert Blake being 'guilty as sin'... even though I admit to having a major 'crush' on him back in his Baretta days. There's a baby involved in that whole mess, which is probably the saddest thing of all. But the fast is.. you play, you pay... and dats the name of dat tune :-)

Have a good day everyone. Hug to my favorite suit and tie wearer. You do clean up nice! :-)


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Posted by:

mrduck

Location: Eccosse

Just wondering am i the only band fan in scotland ??????? only myself and a few mates seem to be the only people aware that they exist any other fans from scotland would love to hear from you all!!!!!!!just managed to get "this wheels on fire from amazon" guess what im doing this afternoon hhehehehe p.s anyone know if dylans "dont look back" is available on PAL dvd yet??????


Entered at Tue Jun 25 12:46:26 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-051.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.51)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: theatres, Stephen Davis, ignoring

Well, I come back from a week encased in a yellow plastic rain poncho and sodden sneakers in foul Florida weather and find accusations flying left and right. Phil Lesh, Levon, Robbie- OK, but to serious matters - only the Brits spelling theatre with –re? Please look at your tickets next time you see a movie in the USA – you will find that the majority of US chains spell it “theatre” (AMC, Universal Multiplex Theatres etc). The truth seems to be that older US theatres tend to be ‘theaters’ but newer chains (and Disney) revert to the “-re” version.

The furore over who was rude to a roadie or who lost their temper was illuminated by my glance at today’s tabloid. They’re serialising extracts from the new Stones book by … Stephen Davis. Today’s extract revels in the drug revelations, and tells (very well and amusingly) the story of the day Charlie Watts punched Jagger out. Charlie, awoken at 5 a.m. by a call to get his arse to Jagger’s suite because ‘I want to talk to MY drummer’, got up, shaved carefully, put on a white shirt, carefully-knotted tie and smart suit, strolled down to Jagger’s suite and knocked the future knight into the middle of next week. The article further examines Watts’ dislike of his fellow-Stones, and has Watts commenting that Woods has ‘the attention span of a gnat.’ Reading the pro- and con- comments on Levon and Lesh as I caught up this morning, I realized that the “violent Levon” story quoted was from his autobiography co-written by … Stephen Davis. And that the Band drug revelations come from the autobiography co-written by… Stephen Davis. And the feud stories were fuelled in the autobiography co-written by … Stephen Davis. Davis is an excellent writer, and clearly has the knack of getting people to reveal the tensions within bands … and the violence and drug abuse. This note is not to vilify Davis, but to say that he’s very good at his job, and gets the interesting stuff (= dirt very often). I’ll buy his Stones book too. Good journalists manipulate people into saying more than they should have done. It’s an art, possibly a ‘black art’ but an art nevertheless. It is also true that I have never seen a totally accurate report of any interview or talk I’ve been to or done. And if you can show me a successful professional musician who has never been rude or arrogant in front of a roadie, then I will support a letter to the Pope seeking his/her canonization.

Being ignored. Happens. Sometimes I make a mild humorous aside (e.g. disparaging Pete Seeger or The Doors) that generates several posts. Other times I think I’ve made an important comment and no one responds at all. People tend to respond when they disagree (then others will respond agreeing). If people agree with a comment, then it will seemingly be ignored.


Entered at Tue Jun 25 09:57:18 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Ignored

I think youve come to the wrong place if you expect every post you write will get a response, ya have to have sense of humour about it, hell I've written many posts and didn't get a single response. Shit the only one who gets ignored as much as I do in here is the real Neil D. at TLW. In all honesty though some of my posts I wouldn't have responded to, they were truly a peice of shit.. but that aint gonna stop me from being a fan and reading and responding to all the very informative posts in here and yeh it sometimes seems a little clickish in here but when you get a group of people togather when isn't that the case? that shouldn't stop you from having a voice about this passion that is the Band..


Entered at Tue Jun 25 08:42:31 CEST 2002 from cs242228-7.houston.rr.com (24.242.228.7)

Posted by:

Laura Lorfing

Location: Houston

This GB has really changed. Too many people in here that take it WAY to seriously and act WAY to sensitive. It use to be fun. What happened??? BTW..in response to Brandon's "no response"... this GB has turned into a very clickish place. It seems to me that if you aren't one of the regulars..your gonna get the scroll by! It ain't right but afterall..it's only a GB. PEACE everyone!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Great Actors (Definately non-Band related)

Doc, Maybe you're younger than I am or maybe haven't seen as many films as I have but, I beg to differ on your question mark after Robert Blake's name. The guy is primarily known for his work on that 70's cop show of course, but for Emotional Impact I would put him up against Anyone working in films today or yesterday! If you've seen "In Cold Blood" Look at it again! The guy has the ability to turn himself inside out. He made a TV film several years back where he played John List, that guy that murdered his own family. Chilling! Robert Blake was never "all there", and that's the main reason he's such a fine actor! "Busey is Cool" Well hell, he may be cool but he also explodes in front of a camera like a Time Bomb! Those two guys never got their shot! Drugs and personal difficulties slowed them down to a crawl. Are you an A-Team fan Doctor Pepper? Dirk Benedict has written and directed a great film called Cahoots! I was never an A-Team fan but "Cahoots" is a great picture! Did y'all know that Gary Busey was the last guy to die on Gunsmoke?


Entered at Tue Jun 25 05:48:21 CEST 2002 from spider-ta024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.54)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: Nj
Web: My link

Subject: responding to the response of the response..,(i think)

Let me state now to Brandon and Carol Sue.., it was not me who e-mailed anything nasty. It is not my style as many GBers who I've chatted with via e-mail can attest. As i read the recent posts, I could see how it could be interpreted that it was I who sent a nasty message (maybe I'm just getting paranoid)


Entered at Tue Jun 25 04:42:40 CEST 2002 from dialup044-b.ts552.cwt.esat.net (193.203.157.44)

Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Carol Sue and Brandon!

Don't fret too much about nasty emails from GB heads.....delete 'em and keep on keeping on!

The only person who has the right to tell ANYONE they're outta line........is Jan in Norway...... He runs the thing and don't be bothered with anyone that sends you what you perceive to be a nasty email......

If you folks have seen The Band or any of the bands that have a connection to The Band.....Bring it on!

......and rest assured.....I've been in the company of noted Hardened Levonistas, Fanatical Robertsonians and Sincere Dankonians and everyone was civilised and groovy...............

Now THERE'S a thread........


Entered at Tue Jun 25 04:23:15 CEST 2002 from syr-66-66-46-205.twcny.rr.com (66.66.46.205)

Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Location: Sacketts harbor

Subject: Great Actors

"I just found it kind of interesting that two of the finest actors America ever produced are mentioned here in the Guestbook today. Robert Blake and Gary Busey." Rosalind, Busey is cool but Robert Blake? They left Mr. T alone! Pity the fools ans Orson Wells and all the others!


Entered at Tue Jun 25 02:35:11 CEST 2002 from spider-tp013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.178)

Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Jan, call in sick and see the Jim Weider Band in Finland. Jim is preparing a special Finnish version of "Freedom Walk." Wait till you hear the "Remedy" CD performed live....WFUV-FM (Fordham U., New York City)features new releases on Mondays. Today they were pushing "Last Hombres" new CD with Levon Helm; also they played the reissue of Danko, Fjeld and Anderson.


Entered at Tue Jun 25 02:36:08 CEST 2002 from as3-2-170.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.195.28)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

See Michelle Shocked's "(Making the Run to) Gladewater," from "Short Sharp Shocked," about losing the coin toss and driving across the county line to a "wet" county to buy more beer before midnight.


Entered at Tue Jun 25 01:32:06 CEST 2002 from netcache-1115.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.132)

Posted by:

rosalind

Location: A town with no cheer

I just found it kind of interesting that two of the finest actors America ever produced are mentioned here in the Guestbook today. Robert Blake and Gary Busey. Goes to show you once again that people are just people! Some of us snort too much coke and get a head the size of a small planet, some of us bite people's noses off, some of us knock the hell out of spouses and some of us actually murder other human beings!

I think some folks take this Guestbook far too seriously. Big deal if no one takes the time to answer a question. This place is suppose to be informative and fun isn't it? Shit! The whole world's gone to hell in a handbag! America's being burned out, bombed out and there's a big hole bein' eaten in the roof."It's Rough Out There High Water Everywhere!"

Ahh Richard's new music sure is sweet. He ain't dead, I don't even think he's asleep!


Entered at Tue Jun 25 01:30:44 CEST 2002 from spider-mtc-td073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.183)

Posted by:

butch

Location: bluesville

Subject: howlin wolf tribute

for all those in the metropolitan NY area,,,

1st listing----------------- Levon , Hubert Sumlin ( wolf's long time guitarist)David Johansen,(killer Wolf vocals )Jimmy Vivino,,& Mike Merritt, ( bass)

blues cruise around lower manhattan,,, aug 23rd

stone pony nj,,,,,,, aug 24th

Last time it was a killer show,,,, NOT TO BE MISSED,,,,


Entered at Tue Jun 25 00:20:00 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.202)

Posted by:

Carol Sue

Subject: an e-mail to me re: my last post

For the person who just e-mailed me regarding my last post in here, yes, my posts ARE coming from the same computer as another poster in here named Brandon's...he's my HUSBAND...whats it to you??? And why was your e-mail (which came to my private e-mail addy) so nasty? If you didn't like my post, then come right out and say it! Or say it to my husband, who's address is also in here. Look we're fellow BAND fans, take it easy, jeez!


Entered at Tue Jun 25 00:13:53 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.202)

Posted by:

Brandon

Subject: Brian Sz's post from Sunday/the one re: "Hmmmm"

Brian Sz, I have a response to you regarding your comments of when people get upset because they didn't get a response to their posts in here. You said for those people (who don't get the responses, and then complain about it, etc.) to "keep their egos in check". I feel that was a selfish attitude to take on. It DOES feel bad when you post a serious inquiry, question or comment and your posts go ignored....so be a little more understanding okay??!!!!! This has nothing to do with ego, it just feels bad when no one responds to you, period. Nothing more to it than that! I personally DO get responses in here but if I didn't, I'd feel bad and ignored. Must be nice to be popular - guess you don't know how it feels!!!


Entered at Mon Jun 24 22:58:07 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.202)

Posted by:

Carol Sue

Location: Santa Monica

Subject: Robbie/Levon

I forget who's post it was, and honestly I'm too tired to scroll back and find it, but I agree with the person who said its unfair for fans to hold Levon (or any other famous musician they admire) on a God-like pedistal...and never allowing them to be human. I experience this on another message board where I'm a fan of a particular famous actor from the 70's, who is currently in jail for the shooting of his wife last year. I get attacked left and right on that board because I feel personally that he's guiltier than sin. I still appreciate all his work on tv and in movies and I feel heartbroken that this particular actor has ended up going down a real dead-end and unhappy road, but I refuse to go into denial, put him on a God-like pedistal and not realise that he's human and capable of the same things we all are capable of. Well, the same goes for Levon and all the members of the band, (on a much smaller scale, they didn't shoot anyone but still, they are human and capable of losing tempers and saying nasty things about others just as we all are). Levon is human and just like all of us, will make mistakes. For instance, I'm really not for all the things he says against Robbie Robertson, who hasn't said anything (at least publically) bad about Levon in return (god my grammar, wording and spelling SUCK!). I guess what I'm trying to say is, I accept that Levon and anyone else famous that I admire, are human just like me....but that doesn't mean I'm judging him just because I disagree wholeheartedly with things he's said. Shit, I really don't know what my point was, or where I was going with this, I guess I got sort of lost here so pardon me. I realize Levon is human and capable of losing his temper and I don't judge him or hold him in a God-like status - I just disagree with some of the things he's said about Robbie in his book - thats all. I feel he sounds a little angry and jealous honestly - of Robbie. I love Levon and feel he's got one of the best damn rock/blues voices ever - but he seems a little on the angry side if you ask me. Plus, he never answers fan mail either and thats depressing. Its not like he's Britney Spears (thank god!!!) and recieves silos full of mail...jeez! Lastly, someone posted in here that Levon has been dealing with cancer??? Shit, I didn't know and I feel really sad and sorry about that. If thats true, I hope he'll be okay (even though he'll hate me and butch will too for this post).


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Beware

I just received an e-mail here with an attachment (I didn't open it). Senders name: Jan. Subject: "Fotoalbum". Obviously, whoever is doing this is still perusing this site since Jan's newly posted photos make for a good reason why someone would trust it's from him. Beware. If you get one of these, it's not from Jan, and it's probably a virus. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Bones

Butch: I am sorry for the trouble I created when I asked you about the Lesh story. Simple question. Simple answer. All h%#@ then broke loose. Butch, you and I met after a Barnburner show in Chapel Hill NC last year, and your excited posts in here after shows I truly enjoy. Please don't stop!

Like Paul Godfrey, I tend to still look at Levon and Robbie as brothers (remember the RCO party). I don't think it has to be either or. For two people who are very different, Robbie and Levon still have this thing about them that is hard to describe. Nothing gets them more animated than talking about New Orleans, old blues joints, Ronnie Hawkins....music period. As committed as I am to supporting both Levon and Robbie's individual projects, the music that they played while they were together is the reason that I am here.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Andy R. & Richard Manuel's Whispering Pines

Andy I thank you very much for having the forethought of taping Richard's sessions. I recieved my CD today and it hit me harder that TLW re-release. The soul and dignity of this man shone through. I noticed the thank you to you for having the "smarts" to record this in the first place. I realize this was the 80's; but it could have been the early 70's to my ears. I was really touched at the raw sparse recordings. It was like having Richard in your living-room. Thanks again.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: John Hammond

If anyone cares by mistake I posted the wrong date for John Hammond performing at Cafe Lena in Saratoga NY...The show is on AUGUST 16th..


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Posted by:

Friend Indeed

Location: East Coast

Subject: CENTRAL PARK IN THE DARK

The Band. 1971. Central Park. Live. At the height of their powers. In front of a “hometown” NYC audience. From an upgraded audio source. CENTRAL PARK IN THE DARK, of course. I just happen to have an extra, if anyone’s been looking. The original Deep Six label release. Sealed. Contact me if interested. brainla@aol.com


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: How dry I am...

In most of VA, you can buy wine and beer till midnight 7 days a week, but the hard stuff can only be sold in overpriced ABC (state run)stores (bars are another issue)But that is much better than in Connecticut where I was born; no store sales after 8pm and none at all on Sunday!. Then again, the South also has New Orleans and Savannah, both with 'to go' cup laws. If the South didn't have massive contradictions, it wouldn't be the SOuth!


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: photos, diatribes

enjoyed the new photos immensely. The land where the blues began never ceases to spellbind me.

I'm very proud of Levon and the people that thought to put him up on that mural with Sonny boy and the other delta blues giants.

Rented "Deep Blues" by Robert Palmer last night. HIghly recommended tour thru the area. It's like driving thru and stopping at various joints and front porches and barbershops to meet with Bluesfolk.

Anybody know if the SonnyBoy Williamson museum ever got off the ground? I worked some with Bubba Sullivan to put together a benefit for it here some years back. good to see he's doin' well.

Saw the sparks fly over the weekend. Cant take most of this stuff to seriously and most of us cant see the whole picture. Better not to judge, but some speculating is fun if you dont get too personal.

I saw a dead show in Stl in 79, I think, had a 4th row seet and could see that Lesh and Jerry were not getting along at all. One threw a sweaty towel at the other and cussed him out, I dont remember any other details. It gets tiring out there, you have zero privacy on the road. Its not for everyone.

Here in Texas there are dry counties all over the damn place.


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: Atlanta & booze

David Powell - I was in Atlanta last weekend and got up early Sunday to watch the Ireland match, but alas no pints until noon, then closing at midnight on Sundays. These keep-the-government-out-of-business types sure don't mind imposing their tight-assed values.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: John Barleycorn

Yes, "dry" counties are a way of life in the South -- they don't call it the "Bible Belt" for nothing. Even in many "wet" areas there's a ban on Sunday alcohol sales. In Atlanta, known as a progressive city, you can't buy alcohol in a retail store on Sunday, but you can if you're in a restaurant, a bar that sells food or at a sports arena. Go figure.

Lynchburg, Tennessee, home of Jack Daniels, the oldest distillery in the U.S., is located in dry, Moore county. There's whiskey, whiskey everywhere, but not a drop to drink!

It's no wonder that moonshiners still thrive in the South -- but nothin' tastes as sweet as grandma's strawberry wine.


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: things to see & hear

There was a note here awhile back about the Japan video. Anybody have any idea where it could be found? Likewise the Richard Manual record. I've got it on order from somewhere but not rec'd yet. Has anybody here got it yet?

Is Gary Busey in trouble again, seems I saw that recently. He had been appearing on Christian TV out here. Trinity Broadcasting I think, divine shite.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Jan and Lee,

Thanks for sharing the great photos.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Jan, really digging your Arkansas tour & photos. Thanks, as always!


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Posted by:

Molly girl

Subject: hello Luka

Hello Luka, Of course I remember you. It was very nice chatting with you. I hope to find you in the chat room again. I'll be leaving you messages from time to time if thats alright. The Band Chat room is one of the only legit. chat rooms I've found so far anywhere. Please keep in touch. I enjoy hearing from you very much.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: "them ole cotton fields back home"

Jan and Lee: Great work! What a trip! Thanks for sharing your memories and making me homesick. ;o)

Water Of Tyne: Most of the counties in the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas are dry. You can buy booze in Washington county where the city of Fayetteville is located. In the southern US many counties are dry...not sure about other areas of the country.


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Posted by:

Deb

Location: Oregon Territory

Subject: Olympic games/Robbie R. question

Greetings and Salutations to everybody here; I'm stopping by for just a bit after a LONG absence. Life is busy. I am relocating to California after being a lifelong Oregonian; the allergies in the Willamette Valley are making just about everyone sick here; especially me; and the clean beaches and redwood forests of California are calling to me (gads, I NEVER thought I would be saying that; isn't life full of surprises!?!?!?!) A quick question: Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the opening ceremonies of the Olympic Games. I am especially interested in finding the part where the Indian Nations gathered together and Robbie R. sang one of his songs while everyone danced and sang. It was one of the most incredible, beuatiful, magical and powerful uses of "The Media" I have ever witnessed! Of course, I was so spellbound I forgot to press "play" on the remote control, so here I sit without a copy to view again. Being a non-sports person, and having "accidentally" stumbled upon the opening ceremonies, I don't need the whole broadcast; just the opening ceremonies. Any advice on getting a copy of this would be most appreciated! Thanks for reading and you all have a wonderful day!


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Posted by:

Ed Blayzor

Location: New York

Subject: New Prof.Louie & Crowmatix-Flyin` High

I just picked up the new Prof.Louie & Crowmatix cd, Garth is on 80% of the tracks... There is a nice version of Don`t Wait w/Prof. Louie on vocals.....Whatever it Takes was co-written by Rick Danko...Last Train Out by Michael Falzarano is dedicated to the late Allen Woody(Allman Bros.,Gov`t.Mule),btw Michael is a great addition to the group....Jack-A-Roe concludes the cd,definately the best version of this traditional tune i`ve heard done with Louie,Marie & Michael Falzarano trading vocals.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Photos

Wow! You guys have a good eye. GREAT pictures. I see they've moved KFFA downtown from out in the country; where it was when I went down there years ago. Again, great great pictures. I just have one question?????

Does anyone think that Jan looks old enough to be travelling on his own? Oh yeh.....I forgot....Lee G. was there to tuck him in. -:)


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Posted by:

jh

Location: Norway

Subject: Testing

1..2..3


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Posted by:

Water Of Tyne

Location: Northumberland, England
Web: My link

Subject: Jan's photo diary

Thanks for letting us see your holiday snaps, Jan! You're a lucky lad.

I'm still stunned - and I apologise as this is off-topic - that there are still dry counties in the US. Does that mean you literally can't buy alocohol *anywhere*? Bizarre...


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: What is that thing? Please help!

I've commissioned a custom acoustic guitar and am having a shell inlay made on the fretboard. The design I'm looking at is the figure on the back of the origingal release Last Waltz album that separates the names of the members of the Band from the "friends." It looks like a leaf or a feather to me. I'm thinking of using it for a 12-fret inlay. Do you have any idea what that thing is? If not, can you lead me to someone who might help?


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Posted by:

Yaya

Location: here

Subject: stuff

Hi did any of you get up here for the International Jazz fest ? It was a success.... just great.. John Mooney and Sun Ra real High points as well as Sonny Rollins and Dr John , he did a Doc Pomus song, then there were the Blues brothers and Aretha, Steve Gadd our homeboy etc.... lots of great music and well...many versions of Band songs, either way its festival time here and I expect to see you all......not here on the web, but here in Rochester, and I expect you to find me , Love and God Bless, Play On and Keep listening, YA YA , Liz Po :), yes Ive alwaYS BEEN YAYA


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland TX

Looks like Rhino is putting out all of Randy Newman's early albums with bonus tracks, including "Good Old Boys" with a whole second disc. Guess I'm not going to make it through life with the boxed set after all......


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Billy Joel

Billy went in for rehab, I'm not a fan but liked the fact that he refused the star treatment and went in with no special private treatment, he's in with everyother ordinary joe.. got a like that.....


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Posted by:

rollie(jeffrey, awe , I don't know any more!)

Subject: Levon human?

It's been mentioned in here that Levon's only human. How old is that bugger and still playing like an animal? Judging by the stuff I've read in here, HE AIN'T HUMAN!!


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: attachments

Sam, be careful about opening attachments. There are some nasty viruses that travel that way, and use real addresses of unsuspecting people.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Nasty GB

Holy shit, couldnt beleive all the ill will in here over the weekend, I will say about taking Band members sides, I don't know Levon Garth or Robbie and never will, I will say that they along with Rick and Richard are the greatest rock group ever, no other group can come close to the individual talent that these five shared. What Levon says about Robbie or vice versa has no effect on my daily life, I will agree with whoever said that these guys have spent more money than most of us will ever accumalate in our lifetimes. Sorry I can't feel to sorry for these guys no matter what there financial situation is, I save that right for myself... have a good Mon.


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Posted by:

Ricky

Subject: Chicago

I saw the Band and the Dead in chicago in 95. The Band ruled, there was no question. You had to be there.


Entered at Mon Jun 24 04:31:14 CEST 2002 from spider-ti061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.201)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I got an e-mail today with an attachment, from a GB'er. I don't know if it's this new PC or just that I'm doing something wrong, but I download it and then I can't seem to open the damn thing. It's happened a few times. I don't want anyone to think I'm ignoring the e-mails. I just have to figure out what the hell I'm doing. I'm not a computer whiz.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Nice photos from your trip Jan. Cool.


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Posted by:

Jon

Location: Missouri

Subject: Whats New Section

If you haven't checked out the new pictures in the Whats New Section, better do it. Outstanding work, the kind that makes this the TOP musical site on the net. Each picture has a thousand words. I feel lucky, I've been to some of the places pictured, they are all worth seeing. Never made it inside Graceland, just walked up to the gates and looked in. I enjoy his music but not his decorating. Must have been a trip of a lifetime for the webmaster. My whole family originated in the Missouri Bootheel, also cotton country. Just right up the road from Turkey Scratch on the Mississippi. Thanks, Jan!


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: O-G

G-Man, just yanking your chain a bit, friendly-like. No offense intended.


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Posted by:

G-Man

Has nothing to do with everything Robertson! Always said he was a musically talented individual!! Also,,NOT refering to anymore re-hashed stuff! This IS a completely NEW project! Could be very interesting!!!


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Posted by:

bonnie

Location: Virginia suburb of Washington DC

Subject: radio

WETA radio (NPI) in Washington DC (7:00to 9:00 pm -Sunday nighgts)has a program called Songs for Aging Children that features song writers and singers from the 1960s and 1970s. Tonights program is entitled Cover Songs of Bob Dylin, and should contain something from the Band.

BR


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Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: Tennessee, Tennessee...There ain't no place I'd rahther be!

Hmmmmnnnn........

Kinda regret kinda starting that Dead thread

not really......but good golly miss molly!......y'all seem to have gone a bit daft in here since I last looked in.......

Oh well.........

Saw The Dead and Dylan in '87 in Giants Stadium.......a great show.....Dylan did songs I NEVER thought I'd hear......."Tomorrow is a long time" (Jerry on pedal steel) and "Joey".......Great stuff!

I was NOT tripping, either, BTW.....


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Chris's insult

I don't know which post you're referring to Chris. Let me see, if it's the last the one concerning Amanda? I was only remembering the post in which she herself mentioned the incident. Forgive the hell out of me if you found it offensive! Loosen up son! I certainly don't want anyone's children to be hurt, I like kids!(no joke)

Now, that other beef you have about the Levon/Lesh deal. I was making observations on Levon's EGO. Who the Hell is Lesh? (joke)


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Jan and Lee

What great photos posted today from the not-so-sober road trip of my favorite Norwegian and my favorite British friends! You guys are great with a camera. I like the way one holds the drink while the other holds the camera. Very good planning :-)
The photos by the murals of the blues legends are wonderful, and some of the sights captured are beautiful. Jan.. that photo of you 'on the levee' would be an excellent album cover!
Thanks to both of you for sharing it with us. Hug..and hug :-)


Entered at Sun Jun 23 19:49:57 CEST 2002 from (203.18.238.26)

Posted by:

Tank

Location: Sydney, Australia

Subject: Last Waltz DVD

Firstly,is this site great or what!! I can, and no doubt will continue to,get lost in here for long sessions at a time.

TLW DVD is not easily available to me yet so I was wondering if someone could give me a quick brief on "additional" material with this release. e.g are there any re-edits,or "cuts off the floor" added, to the original master? Or is it all new event and topic material tagged on the end?

Also, my viewings of TLW from the "good print" 70's days are a bit cloudy, but my 80's viewings, as well as my 90's VHS, have a dreadful edit during the outsolo of "Makes No Difference". Where Robbie and Garth play tag for 8 bars etc, Robbie's first leg gets cut by four bars. Was it like this off early prints? And if so, has it been fixed on the DVD?

The version is such a mover,and the finish such a cradle for the heart.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Good Point Brien. Parents around here, think about it-if u oversee your kids internet use, you would probably rag all over them if you found them involved in exchanges like this. There's nothing wrong with disagreements, but some of you guys are being ridiculous. JTullfan, great story,don't experiences like that make life great? Rick S. enjoy your Suffern show tonight, JWB in your hometown, don't experiences like that....


Entered at Sun Jun 23 16:50:02 CEST 2002 from spider-tf073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.208)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: The Weight

My wife and I had the priviledge (and luck) to be invited to a wine tasting/garden party at very illustrious home last night in rural Central VA. It was the original home and birthplace of Confederate Raider John Singleton Mosby, and very much still in private hands, not open to the public. As a former Civil War tourguide it was enough to make my year, especially with the private tour of the home. As a Band fan, it was too much, as the hired entertainment played a series of acoustic Band and Dylan songs, and they were superb.


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: JWB- Pawling 6/22

Last night in Pawling, NY the Jim Weider Band was taping while Butch was tapping. To commemorate hil's 30th Anniversary Year Jim Weider broke out a shirt from the Jim Weider Collection. Another stellar show by the JWB. Best "Blues Condition" and "Subterranean" ever. The villanous Albert (black hat), "The Secret Weapon", was great on bass (particularly on "Don't Do It") and on soaring vocals (particularly "Many Rivers"). Dan McKeys was soothing on "Many Rivers" and great on "Hidden In Plain Sight". Sid McGinnis created many new solos Saturday night. There were ozone warnings outside, stratosphere warnings when Weege took off (loved "Deep Feeling"). G-Man, Rando even had a drum solo including cowbell during "Don't Do It." Great to see Tom and Marianne and Mark Poley and many familiar faces. Last stop before Finland- the Ramapo Valley Brewery, Suffern on Sunday night.


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Posted by:

Chris

Location: Chicago

Subject: rosalind

Rosalind: If that post was supposed to be funny, it wasn't. If you want to continue the ridiculous little argument over some insignificant, albeit interesting, information about Levon and Lesh go right ahead. But when someone, ANYONE, has a personal struggle they share with this guestbook I suggest you treat that with respect and try to show some f...ing class.

BWNWIT: For god's sake maybe you could keep your diatribes under one paragraph...it makes for less scrolling.


Entered at Sun Jun 23 12:38:35 CEST 2002 from 64-80-53-195-static.surferz.net (64.80.53.195)

Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Replies to GB Posts

Brien Sz: (Hi!..I was going to ignore you, but I didn't want to give you the satisfaction :-)
I had to laugh when you mentioned how some people tend to get upset if there are no replies to a post they've written. At times I experience just the opposite. Sometimes I'll re-read something I posted and think "god.. I hope noone actually replies to this!"

G-Man/MattK: The RR "boxed-set" I mentioned yesterday was actually a compilation called "Classic Masters" that I guess Capitol Records is working on now. It was in "what's new" a few days ago (I knew I read it somewhere).

If Calm and Critter check in here from the road.. be safe..and know that I am awaiting my chocolate, which I hope will not be in one big lump this year :-)

Andy R: Could you please email me? d_lil@hotmail.com. Thanks.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Hummanahummana

I seem to recall one of the press releases regarding Robbie's performance at the opening ceremony of this winter's Olympics mentioned he was performing music from an "upcoming solo album." Outside of that, G-Man's tidbit is the only other scuttlebut I'd heard. I have to confess, there's some irony in G getting the inside scoop on "everything Robbie" ; )


Entered at Sun Jun 23 03:34:12 CEST 2002 from spider-tr013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.178)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: Nj
Web: My link

Subject: Hmmmm

Don't we yell at children for acting like this?

Andy - Half the fun is pretending our speculations

Spelling and Grammer: Personally, I don't write my posts in Word, then check it. If i'm stumped on a word or grammer, I figure most of the readers will figure it out. When I write for a living, I tend to write in numerous drafts and the spelling and grammer improve as the piece shapes up. Here in the GB, its write and post.

And lastly, if I worried about whether anyone was going to respond to my posts, then I would have been out of here a long time ago. Please, for those who care that deeply about getting a response - 1. put your ego in check, 2. Maybe what you have to say isn't interesting enough to post a response OR maybe it is but by the time a person gets around to it they either forget or just run out of time. 3. Do you really have that much of a need to be noticed? If so - it's time to look within.

I expect now to be fully ignored.

I love Levon and RR - have talked against and in favor of both.

I love the GB, even when it gets political (Clinton was mentioned enough to hear from from Ben P soon) I love the fact that everyone is unique in their voice and spirit. An Example: I love it that I don't agree with Butch on Israeli politics but I don't hate him or not like him - i don't know the man enough to form such an opinion and it is stupid to presume that we couldn't get along because we have points of view that may differ in parts.

I find various tyraids (did i spell that right? I'll check later!) that go on here very funny - these quasi doctrines (is anyone catching the irony here) especially the latest ones - what good are they? Are you expecting eyes to open and your suppossed unbelievers be converted - Why are you preaching and why retort ( Socratic logic is being thrown out the window now as I continue to type - or am i being a hypocrite - actually I think I'm having a bout of schizophrenia) ANYWAY - now I'm confused - I'm not scrolling up to try and follow this in the box - Hey Crabgrass!!!! Say something witty!

The following has been brought to you in part by The Theatre of the Absurd (i like the way the Brits spell things with the 'r' reversed.)


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Stone Blind Love

Amanda said that her kids almost drowned because she was wondering around the house thinking about Robbie and Levon and the Band Guestbook!

Three posts in one day is far to many, I certainly wouldn't want to be accused of Multi-Posting! God Forbid!


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Posted by:

JON IN PA\

I've been following this guestbook for a couple of years now, and only posted once recently about a show. Speaking objectively, regarding the relationships between two individuals. Only those subjects can dispute the differences between them, without an audience. I feel that speculation on solving other's disputes is fruitless and counter-productive.

EVERY reader and poster is important in the GB in that it exposes the grass-roots to the MUSIC THAT IS BEING MADE NOW! GO TO SHOWS! SUPPORT WHO YOU LIKE! BUT GO! Musicians need to know what is being created is hitting the mark. We NEED more music, new music. My comments are based on something this world sadly lacks, respect for all, individualy.

cheers


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Posted by:

Jim

Fans of the band SEAM and BITCH MAGNET should check out SOO YOUNG PARK'S new band EE. They have an EP on http://www.asianmanrecords.com and a full length coming out in September called "For 100 We Try Harder".


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: Bill Clinton ?

Bill Clinton sodomized a class of 4th graders ???......Now that really is disgusting.....MAN!

But seriously Folks,........Sorry again, I couldn't resist.

carry on



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Posted by:

Lil Again

Geez G-Man.. why didn't you tell me you were changing the subject? :-) I seem to recall reading somewhere about a boxed set by Robbie..or something like that.. being worked on...?

For what it's worth everyone..have a good night. It's a comin, a brand new day.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Clinton Supporters (non-Band related)

Clinton could have sodomized a classful of 4th graders on a tour of the White House and these supporters of his would have found a way around it!

I prefer Bill O'Reilly to Rush Limbaugh. Remember to "Keep it Pithy if you wish to Opine!"


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Posted by:

Tom Wells

Location: Brantford, Ontario, Canada
Web: My link

Being the drummer for Terry Danko's band, Tin Pan Alley, and a good friend of the Danko family, obviously I am a huge fan of the Band, especially Rick's contribution to the Band, and of couse, his solo efforts. The web site brings back a lot of great memories. Thank you.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

I have no interest in getting into any of this, except to say that dragging Amanda into today's fiasco made me angry. The most important thing that lady mentioned several weeks ago (when people were replying left and right to her opinion) was that her 2 little boys came very close to drowning....and I don't remember too many replies to _that_. Kind of sad to realize where importance lies around here at times. Very sad.


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Posted by:

G-Man

Time for a change on the GB line/subject!! Anyone know if there is any truth to the rumor that Robbie Robertson is working on a new SOLO project?? Just heard from a Canadian source!!!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Oh, here we go again....

Why oh why does Bill Clinton keep cumming (!) up in here, only to be followed by some juvenile obsession with defending him by finding worse fault on the political Right.? Enough! And if all you guys have to define yourself is anti-Rush Limbaugh-ism, then you truly need to get some issues to connect with the voters with. Even Rick Danko in a recently posted interview mentioned listening to him, even if he did not agree. Get over it, move on. it's the weekend for Christ's sake, have a beer and do something worthwhile! and BTW, President Bush DID go to Rome recently and brought up the Catholic Churches scandals with the Pope, and was criticised for it as being none of his business. WELL, at least Bush had the moral GUTS to raise the issue with the Pope, something I doubt Mr. W.J. Clinton could do.


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Posted by:

Miss Amanda

Subject: BWNWIT

BWNWIT: I can't believe you targeted me of all people on this sight regarding who has bad mouthed Robbie Robertson. You, sir, have been alot nastier and inconsiderate of other people on this GB than I ever have. I have a right to what I believe just like you do. I have never called Robbie names, made fun of his political beliefs, or criticized his solo work. I have never denied for a second his talent and everything he has contributed to The Band yesterday and today. I am allowed an opinion and also have the right to a philosophy about what I believe to be fair or unfair and so does everyone else. I have never stated to anyone here that their a f#$%ing idiot or judged them as people because they don't see things the same way I do. Don't use stupid analogies (the skies blue) to try and make me look like some dense bimbo. Yes...I am a huge Levon fan. That doesn't mean that my mission in life is to be some sort of carbon copy of him. How can you assume that I can't think for myself or undertake my own level of reasoning? You don't even know me, where I come from, or what journeys I have taken in my life. I don't try to get personal about things unless you proceed to go in that direction with me. If your pissed because you think I was defending Butch...I WAS defending his right to post anything he wants about The Band. I also defended the right we all have to discuss anything relevant to The Band. If you thought I was making fun of the Dead or their fans...you are wrong. I don't post to offend or hurt people or make them feel bad about themselves. Apparently you think I am the bad guy(gal) here. Honestly...after the last songwriting battle and my kids almost having an accident...I don't really give a shit about Robbie and Levon's disagreements. They are alive with family and friends and productive careers and as someone pointed out to me one time...they have made more money and spent more than I will ever see in my lifetime...and from all the books I've read recently...they have had a damn good time. BTW...I love Bill Clinton...can I still be a Levon fan or are all the Levonistas waiting in the wings to brainwash the poor Southern girl...programming her to carry out all the EVIL deeds of Levon Helm...not to mention defending his honor until her last dying day.

Bayou Sam: I am anal about good spelling, but only when applied to my own writing. I don't care about anyone elses writing skills and certainly wouldn't judge someone's character by poor spelling or bad grammar.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Richard CD & observations...

Have had a chance to sit and enjoy "Whispering Pines", Richard's CD. The people in Japan did an outstanding job of clarification with my original tapes. As I suggested before, a warm, intimate performance can now be enjoyed by all...not inferior "bootleg" copies. I urge all Band fans to check it out!!! You won't be disappointed. You can enjoy Richard's unique voice and style and really get a sense of just what a great, funny, nice person he was!!

As far as posts that I've read, both pro and con, in response to what Levon or Butch have said, you all seem to enjoy creating scenarios and situations based on what you may have heard or read. Having been "on the inside" for ten years, I can honestly tell you that these people have good resons for feeling the way they do. I do not think it is fair or makes any difference what outside people say...you have not lived their lives, do not know the day-to-day pressures they experience...and frankly, they don't spend their days trying to figure it out as many people who post on this site do.

Let' s just be thankful that these are/were men who were able to inspire and share their great talent with a whole lot of people. The ifs and whys of who did what, when, to whom, is mostly conjecture on most fans part.

Let's just be happy we have their timeless music and artistry to enjoy.

Peace.

Andybr67@AOL.com


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Just what I always said, If Levon hadn't had Robbie to knock around in that book he wrote we would have had to endure 300 pages of him bragging about his own big bad temper and how he was hung like a horse over and over and over. Woops!

Idol worship is for kids. It's okay to appreciate these musicians for their talent but not alright to Idolize them. Idols will always let you down.

Is this guestbook some kind of a Fan Club? Like in high school?


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: Pa

Subject: P Godfrey

Paul, you out there. I tried to e mail you. Drop me an e mail, I have a question for ya!

Regards!

Levon getting busy with a contemporary is alot different then Lesh bashing a subordinate! This holds true regardless of your profession!


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Posted by:

Kay

Subject: BWNWIT

I did not respond to you personally because you've shown yourself again and again to be completely clueless about what you know and don't know. Despite what you may think you know, some of us do have personal knowledge of the people we post about. Not all of it can be shared with our fellow Band fans because most stories involve other people who may not appreciate or deserve to be discussed. Don't imagine because you know the bare bones of a story that you know the story. Truth is in the details and you will probably never know those. So maybe the solution might be to reserve your judgments for what you do really know. Your own behavior maybe?

And frankly, if you really had a case, it wouldn't take you so long to make it.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: one more quicky

.........there are also some posters who seem to have that attitude where they look down on others who don't agree with them, or don't spell as good as them, or don't articulate as well - then these folks stomp out of here in a blaze of glory saying how they can't take our crap anymore, only to slink back in and jump right into the mix again. How disingenuous is that.

Sorry to get personal guys - back to music.

Oh, and Butch. I don't cosider that first post of your's as being any more than an answer to a question by another poster on why Levon was angry with PL. Please don't stop the wonderful glimpses you give us into the "inside" like the one you did a few months back describing a session in Levon's studio with Garth.


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

E-mail: BWNWITenn@hotmail.com

Thanks for supporting me, Sam. It was a tough decision to come out of the closet. ;-)

I'll use this opportunity to explain before God, The Guestbook, Butch and the world (not necessarily in that order) my point of view on all this. I don't have any personal animosity towards Levon, I don't even know the guy. I will confess that after all of the irresponsible things he's said in the press the last few years, I don't think I'd pay five bucks to go see him play now. I did pay $50 to see the BarnBurners in 2000 (and felt very ripped off). But when I listen to the old albums, I don't think anything negative when I hear a Levon song, and when I saw the Last Waltz I thought "awesome" after watching him sing Dixie or Ophelia. But I'm sure by a lot of my posts that people might think I do hate him or something. What I hate is the people in this Guestbook, and we all know that there are a lot of them, who continually trash-talk Robbie Robertson, based solely on the accusations that Levon has made. I hate the fact that a recent article on this site about the Last Waltz said that Robertson and Helm despise each other, when Robbie Robertson has never, ever said anything negative about Levon publically, even when asked point-blank about the feud. I hate the fact that when people think about The Band nowadays, one of the first things they think of is anger and animosity. And this is all, it is ALL, people, because of Levon Helm prattling on and on. I don't care what these people might say, unless they know Robbie personally, which no one on this site who mad-mouths him seems to, the ONLY reason you have to think bad things about him his because of what Levon says. So what I have tried to do in many of my posts is to show that most of what Levon says, at least publically, is inconsistent, illogical and contradictory. I guess I hoped people would realize that and think, "Well, maybe the stuff he says about Robbie is not true, since so many of his statements are completely off the wall." But no one ever seems to. These people just get locked into a certain mindset, and nothing changes it. Like the whole thing with Miss Amanda not too long ago, where there were lots of people saying, "The Rolling Stones didn't credit their songs to all the band members, the Grateful Dead didn't, The Beatles didn't, the Allman Brothers didn't, Rick Danko didn't, Richard Manuel didn't, why is Robbie a sleazeball for not doing that." And she would just sort of go, "Well, I know he is, I don't care what you people say." It's like arguing with someone that the sky is indeed blue, and telling them, "Well, look at it," giving them scientfic explanations of why it's blue, showing paintings where it's blue, and they still say, "No, I think it's green." After awhile you just get sick of it and go away, which is what I, and others, have done with the GB. And it ticks me off that most people seem to believe Levon simply because he plays in bars with a blues band, and they met him once, and he seems blue collar, while Robbie wears a suit and doesn't tour. These people are so vociferous with their views, and any logical argument that you give them, they just ignore.

I've posted recently anonymously for no other reason than because it amuses me, and God knows someone has to. I left the GB because, besides arguing that the sky is blue, I got bored with posting 20 messages that not a single person ever responded to, and because I don't want to spend all day reading The Band Guestbook. I tried to stay away, because I didn't want to be like Levon Helm reviving The Band after they said they were breaking up for good, but addictions aren't easy to break.

I like posting things to tick off Butch because, for one thing, it's very easy to do, and two, I simply enjoy ticking off people like that. If you don't have the exact same point of view as him about everything in the world, then you're completely wrong. Then he'll post something derogatory about another band (and whether they're washed up or not, Leon, at least they're musicians, not sycophants), but if you say anything bad about Levon, you'll sure catch some shit for it. Butch posted out of the blue about Levon despising Phil Lesh, there was no reason for that, and obviously people are going to ask why. He gives his explaination, then when you question that, suddenly it's poor Levon, why do you hold him up to a God-like stature, isn't he allowed to be human? Didn't you just imply in your last post, Butch, that apparently you, or Levon, are holding Phil Lesh up to a higher standard; isn't HE allowed to be human? But I guess everyone should be allowed their foibles, and not judged for being small-minded, commiting adultery, so on, know what I mean, Leon?

For the record, everyone, after calling me a moron and a coward, neither Butch nor Kay e-mailed me when I posted my address. I guess they knew they couldn't win. Maybe they couldn't figure out how to do it, since I didn't put it as a link.

Levon could be nicest guy in person on the face of the earth. Robbie Robertson could very well be a dick, so could Phil Lesh, I have no idea and don't really care. I listen to lots of musicians who are reputed to not be very nice people. But it's absurd the way some of you act like Robbie Robertson is Satan on Earth because of what Levon Helm says. Look at other bands: Roger Waters sued his bandmates to stop them from using the band's name, Diana Ross toured as The Supremes after backstabbing the other members. Jimmy Page and Robert Plant totally plagarised many blues musicians, and were found guilty in court of doing so. John Fogerty's brother publically supported the guy who was suing him for plagarising himself. Dickey Betts had Jaimoe thrown out of the Allman Brothers after Jaimoe tried to investigate his unfair accounting practices. That's all pretty outrageous stuff; Robbie Robertson is accused of taking credit for writing all of some songs that someone irrationally and inconsistenly accuses him of having only written the majority of, and for breaking up a band that was already on it's very last legs. And because of that, people act like he's the great Satan. People say, "He abandoned his brothers." Hello, Levon quit the band because he didn't Bob Dylan moving in, and he only came back to them after they told him they had a record deal, then all was forgiven. But that doesn't matter, he's still a swell guy and Robbie's a scumbag.

I, too, think it's sad that Levon seems to have such anger issues, and I wish that his experience with cancer would have made him realize there are more important things with the time he has left. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Finally (whew!), on the Clinton thing, I enjoyed the Doonsbury a few weeks ago where the one character was saying something about a previous administration being plagued with scandal and federal investigations. The other guy goes, "Yeah, Clinton really brought shame to the White House." The first guy replies, "No, actually I was talking about the Reagan. For all of the investigations, the Clinton administration had all of one federal conviction. The Reagan administration had 29." The other guy looks stunned, and goes, "Cannot... compute. Must.. go.. watch... Fox... News." Suck on that, Butch!


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: peace

I don't want this to blossom into an all out free for all.

Butch - I agree with everything you just posted. But, judging from your last two posts, Levon is human and should be accepted for any negatives - but Levon may not feel that way toward other people.

The thing is that this really is silly. We were not there when Phil Lesh hollored at the roadie - and MOST of us in here don't know Levon intimately enough to pass judgement on him.

I just agreed with Tenn's reaction to your first post and the way a large number of peoplke would probably look at it. Although I find your post's among the most enjoyable, maybe we didn't need to know Levon's feelings about Phil Lesh. This one of those 20/20 hindsight deals.

By the way - I do not consider myself perfect at all, or beyond doing the occasional stupid thing. If I ever come across as thinking I'm holier-than-thou, it ain't the case.


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Posted by:

Chris

Location: Chicago

Subject: Fillmore

Amanda:

I have a copy of the movie Fillmore. It's got The Dead, Hot Tuna, Elvin Bishop, Santana...and a list of others. Pretty interesting story about Bill Graham and the last days of the early Fillmore.

It's video...I don't really have a way to make a good copy, but I can tell you where I got it. Let me know.

Now Please People.....

I remember one time when I was in high school I watched a guy yell and scream at his girlfriend and say horrible things to her. Years later I knew him in college and even though he got along extremely well with buddies of mine, I never liked him. Any evening that I spent with him no matter how much fun everyone was having I always ended up bothered by him in some way. Even if he was nothing but friendly to me the whole night. It all came back to that one incident. Sometimes you see something so ugly in someone that you just can't see anything else. Oh well. Life goes on for both parties. There's a lot of bass players out there and a lot of drummers...they can find other buds to hang around.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged...

Hey Butch: I know that it seems like a long time ago now, but in this very forum you quoted Levon as calling Bill Clinton a "pedophile," one of the most awful accusations that can be tossed at anyone. This, presumably, because he accepted oral sex from a promiscuous young woman who couldn't remember all the names of the men with whom she'd had sex by the time she was 23.

Meanwhile, real pedophiles in a certain tax-free, wealthy church were having a field day molesting hundreds of kids. Of course, Rush Limbaugh and Big Tobacco Kenny Starr didn't care about that. Republicans spent $70 million of American taxpayer funds investigating Clinton's sad sex life, but then Attorney General John Ashcroft turned down an FBI request for $58 million to investigate suspected Al-Qaida operatives in the United States. I am one taxpayer who would like to pass judgement on those decisions. Clinton and Janet Reno were constantly hounded by the right while Bush and Ashcroft are above criticism. How Biblical...


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: JAPAN TOUR

Does anyone know if The Band "Japan Tour" is still available in any format? That seems to be a great concert and I've always liked the clips.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: RIGHT ON BUTCH


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: judge not, lest ye be judged

NOW i get it,,,

Levon isnt entitled to be human cause he is a musician,, im sure that ol brother bayou & tenn NEVER had a reaction to something that others would find wrong , or unfounded,,, why do you fans insist on holding mere mortals up to g-d like stature,,,????????

they are the same as us,, same feelings, reactions, tempers, emotions, for good or bad,, id like to see some of the folks here held up to the same standards you hold SOME of these guys to,, but of course, Levon is alive,, so he's a target,, for being one of the HONEST ones,,,

maybe if he passed,, ( G-d Forbid ) you'd be a little more understanding,,,& make the same excuses ya make for rick & richard,,,( may they rest in peace, )


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Levon/Lesh

Amen Sam. They are human and have good days, bad days, so-so days and down right shitty days too. We all have them. So, it's not right to judge even if they are famous or well known. Enough preaching.

Mike


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I'm glad you "showed yourself" BWNWITenn.

I have to say that after I read the reason for Levon's dis-taste for Lesh I thought the same thing that Tenn posted. It shows an interesting insite into the feud. Sadly, there are those who will automatically hate Lesh now. My congrats to any of you who never, EVER had a shitty day and lashed out at someone. These people who we idolize are human too. It's an interesting story that Butch told - but anyone who looks down on Lesh JUST from that story is the real moron.

I'm sure Tenn postly anonomously because he expected to get hammered for saying something negative about a Band member on this hallowed ground. It wasn't a cheap attack at Levon - it was realistic thought.

Y'know, if I ever came upon Levon and he told me to get lost or something, I would be bummed out that I caught him at a bad time - but I wouldn't go home mad and scratch out his face on my Band album covers. I actually find it a little sad that Levon, who beat one of the worst foes you can have, should carry such anger about things that would seem tiny in comparison.......I still love his music and would like to shake his hand someday - if he dosen't get pissed at me for this post.


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Lil, I thought I was the only one who remembered those Animaniacs. Can't say I remember that episode though :) Every once in a while you might catch an episode here they'd be onstage and one of them would be "burping" his/her way through a song. Goofy stuff.

Finally ordered the Richard Manuel cd and I'm looking forward to it. It's a great time to be a Band fan. Now, where's this box set?

I also, saw release dates for Robbie's firs two solo albums at www.pauseandplay.com Scroll down to the paw print and click to see the entire list. It's under the "old stuff" on the bottom half of the page. I wonder if they are being remastered or what? But is a great site to find about up and coming releases. The date given is Sept. 17th. No info on if it's a remaster, bonus tracks, etc...That'd all be nice :) Check it out.

Mike


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Animaniacs do Woodstock :-)

Heheh.. killing time before work here..watching "Animaniacs", which make me laugh constantly (or perhaps I'm sometimes just easily amused :-) The "Woodstock" episode was just on.. where those tree-huggin hippie animaniacs are grooving to the music. One asks "Who's on next?" Another says "No.. 'The Who' was already on. 'The Band' is next". Another asks "Who?".. "Not "The Who"..The Band... and so on and so on in that Abbot/Costello way. This episode always knocks me out. I've never been a "cartoon" person..but I love these little guys.

Have a good Saturday everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

Ed Blayzor

Location: New York

Subject: More Lesh Bashing

I heard recently Micky Hart had a major falling out with Lesh, and read an interview with Bob Weir saying he was glad Lesh didn`t play with the Other Ones because he was extremely difficult to work with. A great over-looked Dead cd is the all acoustic,live "Reckoning",Jerry really shines. Those who like his work with David Grisman will enjoy it.


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: TLW

I saw TLW in the theater a while back. Big screen was great, but the sound in the DC theater was not great. I'm looking forward to the DVD.

The recent posts on TLW have inspired me to come out of the lurking mode and list my fav moment, which was the look on Levon's face during Ronnie Hawkins singing Who Do You Love. The face said it all: "You people are now getting to see something phenomenal, and even though we have known about this guy for a long time, he still amazes me."

On the CDs I have to say the sound is great and I'm hearing things I don't remember hearing before. I'd go back and compare but I can't bring myself to take the new one out of the CD player, except to put in one of the other discs, or to put in Richard Manuel. One of the great moments on the CDs is the drumming on The Shape I'm In.

Its a great time to be a Band fan: new TLW, DVD with extras, Richard CD, new CD from Jim Weider, and promises of more!


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: Morons

E-mail: bwnwitenn@hotmail.com

Back-With-No-Wife-In-Tennessee


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Posted by:

Kay

Location: New Mexico

Subject: Stand up and be counted

There is something so weaselly about anonymous posts that makes me want to ignore any good points made in them. Luckily nothing useful was lost in the last one on this site. There is so much more to that story than you will ever know, small anonymous person. You obviously fancy that you are witty.....and you are half right.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Butch and the Dead

Don't sweat it, Butch. I appreciate the inside info you and everyone else shares on the GB. How often do you run into someone anywhere else who has personal Band stories? Keep sharing...please...and never stop the show reviews...that goes for everyone. Levon and Garth's present day performances should never be downplayed...its an art form...they are making their own statements today...just in a different way. Dead heads usually don't have a sense of humor when it comes to critical remarks about a band member. I know...I grew up with and befriended many Dead heads in my lifetime. One of my best friends was SO into the Dead and followed them everywhere...I went to one concert with her in the 80s and helped her sell tie-dyed baby rompers...she made a killing. When Jerry Garcia died, she got drunk, climbed up a 20 foot tree and fell out. She has had 20 surgeries and walks with a cane today. Forget the broken bones...I didn't think she would ever recover emotionally. I enjoy the Dead at times, but I'm not that far into them. I do share a birthdate with Jerry Garcia and I really dig his ties...the coolest. Levon and Garth shows (and JWB), Robbie's film work, TLW discussions, lyric analysis, personal stories and feelings, even the disagreements...its all relevant to the admiration of and devotion to The Band...at least for me it is. Personally, I am tired of focusing on everything that was wrong or went wrong regarding The Band. I just want to believe in the good things and be damn thankful that I have this music and everything that transpired with it then and now.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: morons

well Bones,,,,, no good deed goes unpunished, ey ?

this is why i rarely post info that might be interesting,, morons like that coward who wouldnt even post his/her name,,,,

bye-bye,,,,,,,,,,


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Dylan & the Dead

Right on Pehr!

I remember leaving a Dylan\Dead show in Philadelphia and as I was walking out I remember someone commenting that Dylan sucked, but his back up band was great(meaning the Dead).

I never went to anoter Dead show again!

Any more news on The New Box Set or RR release?

Regards


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Adam Duritz/Richard Manuel

Dave Hopkins: Thanks so much for posting Adam Durtiz's explanation of the Counting Crows new tune. I wondered where the actual inspiration came from...as I found it both beautiful and eerie to name a tune "If I could give all my love (Richard Manuel is dead)". Much appreciated.


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Posted by:

luka

Subject: molly

hi molly!do you remember me? hope you read this and might answer me?!would love to hear from you... luka


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Posted by:

Typical - "despise" a person for the rest of your/their life for one incident that you saw one side of. It's not a secret to Dead Heads that Lesh can be hostile to crew members, just as it's not a secret that Bill Kreutzman can be abusive to those close to him. Certain people can behave in atypical ways in some high-pressure situations. I've worked with people who are very sweet, but when the pressure is applied, watch out. I would imagine being onstage in front of 60,000 people is somewhat high pressure. Plus, who knows what the situation was, this "roadie" could have majorly screwed up his job over and over again, and this could have been the last straw. But hey, that doesn't matter, Levon's a great guy, he gave me an autograph, that means all us Levonistas must now hate Phil Lesh, in addition to Robbie Robertson, oh, and Albert Grossman, Capitol Records, Pyramid Records, Woodstock Records, Sony Records, the Beatles, Martin Scorsese...

Hey, now, wait a minute... didn't Levon say somewhere once, like maybe "his" book, perhaps page 205, something like the second paragraph, that he himself once got on Jonathan Taplin "like a mad dog, picked him up until his legs were off the ground (yeah, right!)" and said, "Jon, I'm gonna bite your damn nose off. I'll kill you if you ever talk to me like that again. Do you understand me?" But that's okay, because he tried to wake Levon up, which, my God, is just an absurd thing for a road manager to do. Whatever Phil Lesh said, it must have been something bad, if telling an employee of your band that you're going to kill them is just swell and peachy and a humorous anecdote.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: Nj
Web: My link

Subject: Wilco - Rick Danko

In the latest Entertainment Weekly - The "It" List. Under It - Second Life (pg.90-91)it's Wilco - There is a write up of several questions..., BEST ADVICE: "Rick Danko from the Band told me to stay desperate." I wonder if that little tid bit will pique anyones curiosity to find out who RD or the Band is?

Latest cd purchases; Uncle Tupelo's Anthology 89 to 93. Very good stuff. AND Peter Gabriels score to the movie Rabbit Proof Fence. Very eery.., I was out photographing in a region called the Pine Barrens - lots of creepy Pitch Pines that bend every witch way and home to the Jersey Devil legend.., It was shortly before sunset and I was in a very dark and tight area listening to this - I couldn't believe how fast I picked up my pace as the woods closed in on me. Also, good for weird mood music to write to or edit my slides.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: levon & lesh

Bones,,,et. al.

Levon told me ( & Sandy too )that years ago, @ some show The Band & The Dead both played,, he/they saw phil really lash out @ some roadie,,,, levon said lesh was mean & cruel, above & beyond the offense,,,

& Levon will ALWAYS take the side of the workin man, so to this day,, he has no use for Lesh,,,


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Thanks to Diamond Lil for the link to the new Counting Crows album, which includes the song "If I Could Give All My Love (Richard Manuel Is Dead)." The following is Adam Duritz's explanation for the song, from anna-begins.com:

"This is about a thing that happened about 15 years ago when I was out all night with my friends drinking. I came home about six in the morning with this girl and got the morning paper on the way in the house and I opened it up and it turned out that Richard Manuel had died. He was the piano player and one of the singers for The Band. And I was a huge fan, you know? They were a big deal to me. And I kinda went to bed that morning thinking about how this thing that I had always loved was gone now. It's like John Lennon dying, there's not going to be anymore Beatles reunions, for sure. There's not going to be any Band reunions. And I was thinking this girl will probably be gone sometime soon too, you know, things just come and go in life. When were starting recording, we started writing, and we wrote this song. It's just sort of about how you can't hold on to anything in your life (your idols, the music you love, some girl, anything at all) a lot of times because you can't give all of yourself. And this is called Richard Manuel is Dead."

JTullFan: You're right about Dylan and the Dead: according to Howard Sounes's Dylan bio "Down the Highway," Dylan asked to join the Dead in 1989 and Phil Lesh vetoed the idea. Sounes quotes Bob Weir: "I was in for that, but one of our members didn't particularly care for him. I think we would have, if it hadn'tve been for that one guy. We would have picked him up as a sort of temporary band member." Later on, Sounes reveals that "that one guy" was Lesh, who strangely enough co-headlined a tour with Dylan a couple years ago.


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Posted by:

Psychotic-but-in-a-good-way

Location: Jendell

Subject: The last waltz dvd

I have a copy of The last waltz on video. Could I please get some feedback on whether its worth it to buy the dvd? In other words are there interviews added - both old and new? Are there commentaries from band members about what it was like? Is there more backstage footage added etc.? Please let me know whats on the new dvd last waltz, that i'm not getting on the old video last waltz, much thanx


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Posted by:

John D

Location: TORONTO

Subject: HI JAY FROM ATLANTA

Jay it was me that first put it up on the web, to be able to order from HMV Canada. I too today received my notice that Richards's CD and Hoagyland from John Simon were on it's way. It takes a little longer; but a whole lot cheaper, especially if your American. $39.00 each for me :-(


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Posted by:

Jay

Location: Atlanta

Subject: HMV Canada Redux - Thanks to John D.

A quick trip through the GB archives reveals that it was the esteemed John Donabie who pointed us to HMV Canada. Thank you, John. I am thrilled to know it's on its way.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: SNACK Concert

Bones: I have that SNACK benefit show (taken from a radio broadcast) and it's really nothing to write home about. The most interesting song on it is Dylan's "Knockin' on THE DRAGON'S Door," which may have been a reference to dinner in Chinatown or something, but I actually like it better than the generally tiresome original.


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Ricky, Butter & Busey

The clip of Ricky Butter & Busey made my effin day!!! Now THEY might be able to keep up with Before the Flood versions of those Dylan rockers, David! Here's to the days before SNL music segments became Govt. sponsored mind numbing experiments! ;o )


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Summer Solstice & Music

Today marks the official start of summer, or in the words of newspaper columnist Maureen Dowd, "the summer of all fears". To relieve any anxiety, we do seem to have been blessed with lots of good new music releases recently.

Yesterday, I understand, marked the anniversary of the 1974 release of "Before The Flood" by Dylan & The Band. A little over a decade later, Dylan toured with the Grateful Dead. Despite all the promise that line-up seemed to offer, I never felt that the Dead came close to matching The Band as a live foil for Dylan.

Here's a direct comparison test for you to judge yourself: Listen to the versions of "All Along The Watchtower" and "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" from the "Dylan & Dead" album, recorded live in 1987. Next -- listen to those same two songs on "Before The Flood".


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Posted by:

Jay

Location: Atlanta

Subject: HMV Canada - Richard Manuel CD

I received an e-mail today from HMV Canada confirming that my 2 copies of the WHISPERING PINES shipped today! The other copy is for my younger brother, also a major Band fan. I apologize for being unable to remember who first pointed out that the disc was available through HMV Canada, but I am very grateful for the heads up! Can't wait. And who would have imagined just a couple of years ago that we'd have solo discs from both Garth and Richard? It's been quite a bounty for us Band fans of late.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Web: My link

Subject: Counting Crows tune

Beautiful tune.. " If I could give all my love, or Richard Manuel is dead". I added a link (I hope it works) for anyone who hasn't heard it. When the page comes up, just click on the tune and hopefully you'll hear it. I've been playing it over and over here.

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


Entered at Fri Jun 21 21:09:29 CEST 2002 from (169.200.133.38)

Posted by:

Bones

What did Lesh do to Levon? Remember those wristbands that Lesh would wear in concerts? I always thought that looked so funny.

Has anybody heard the recent (new and improved) bootleg of the SNACK concert with members of the Band, Neil Young and Bob Dylan? Any good?


Entered at Fri Jun 21 20:32:57 CEST 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

They used to say "There is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert" and that was a fact. The level of hedonism and bohemianism was unmatched, it really seemed like a sub-culture. When people would say "they're a band beyond description", my friends and I would reply, "No, they're a drug beyond prescription". Their fan following was about the strongest and of anyone I've ever seen. The sad part is the young people who got so sucked into the lifestyle that they did themselves a lot of harm by taking it too far. I always had the feeling that a lot of those "freaks" at the shows were in their Dead show costumes and returned to their high paying corporate jobs Monday to Friday. They looked like dropouts but a lot of them had SUV's out in the parking lot and a pocket full of cash, maybe some supplied by Mommy and Daddy. A lot of the kids who took it for real dropped out of school, got on heavy drugs, followed the band across the country, some of them are still living with the consequences. But we sure had a lot of fun at those shows at Madison Square Garden, Giants Stadium, and the colleges upstate.

In 1994 in midtown Manhattan I saw this guy, walking alone, who looked exactly like Phil Lesh. I thought no, it's probably just a look-alike, then I remembered they were playing in New Jersey that night so it had to be him! This guy went into a computer store looking for something, so I waited outside the door of the store. When he came out a minute later, I was still only 99 per cent sure it was him, so I said "Is your name Phil?" He looked like he was searching his memory. He scratched his head, said "ummm..." after a good 10 seconds he goes, "Yeah!" I told him I was a long time fan and loved their music, he was very gracious and thanked me. It was great to meet him but he sure seemed a bit burnt, taking that long to remember his own name!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Dylan, The Dead, and 'Fwoooop!'

I read somewhere that back in '88 Dylan was all set to join the Dead as an official member but that Phil Lesh vetoed it. Is ths true? Also, I've noticed from boots of post-TLW Band and Danko that Rick makes this 'fwoooop!' sound on his base. From watching him live in those years it was just a simple swipe of his hand on a base string from the guitar body up through the neck. What was up with that? It certainly isn't in his earlier performances.


Entered at Fri Jun 21 17:54:27 CEST 2002 from sc-hiltonhead1b-18.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.20.18)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Fillmore

Since the Dead subject has come up, I'd like to ask a question. Does anyone know where to find the documentary, Fillmore? I am reading Rage and Roll and would really like to get my hands on a copy. vonvicker@yahoo.com


Entered at Fri Jun 21 17:49:21 CEST 2002 from citrix5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.9)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Jorma

Butch

Jorma touring around with the 2002 Jam Grass Festival.. I got tickets to see them on 7-20-02 at the Shelburne Museum in Shelburne VT the line up is Dave Grisman Quintet, Sam Bush Band, Jorma, Pete Rowen, and John Cowan Band... Jorma is also having a show in Northampton Mass pretty soon at the Iron Horse in July I think...

Butch you and Levon should venture down to Saratoga NY on August 10th Levon's old buddy John Hammond is perfroming at Cafe Lena... any dates set with Levon and the BB King Blues Fest this year???


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Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Location: Chicago

Subject: Lesh beef

What's Levon's beef with Lesh?


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Jorma Kaukonen

Good to see Jorma's name come up again. Butch, I couldn't agree more. He and Rick were a great combination and certainly kindred spirits.

I highly recommend his newest release "Blue Country Heart". Jorma is backed by the Nashville All-Stars including Jerry Douglas on dobro, Sam Bush on mandolin, Byron House on bass, and the great Bela Fleck on banjo. They are all playing vintage instruments from the 1920's and 1930's. The production is wonderful, the choice of tunes is terrific, and the playing is marvelous.

Check it out.


Entered at Fri Jun 21 16:12:49 CEST 2002 from citrix5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.9)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Mikey.. I wasen't at that one 10-25-97... I wish I was... I only saw Levon Helm & Crowmatix twice.. I loved hearing Levon playin the Harmonica on Milk Cow Boogie..

I have been listening to the Jim Weider Band's Remedy CD a lot the last few days since Sackets Harbor and I urge anyone who hasen't picked it up do so because it is a killer album... I put it on this morning hit shuffle and first song that came up was The Weight... unbeleavable.. no other words come to mind.. what a bunch of talented people!

Stll waiting for Whispering Pines to come in the mail.. Got the re-release One More Shot album disk 2... Rick singin It Makes no Difference..agian unbeleavable...


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: cyndi cashdollar

just a FYI,,,,,,,,,,,

i just spoke with Pauly, The Band's old drum tech,,,,

he now is working for Hot Tuna,,,i had asked him about Jormas new tour,

he said that Jorma is doing a bluegrass thang,,, & that our old friend CYNDI CASHDOLLAR is playing in his band.

She played with Levon, Rando, Stan & weider in the 80's,,,in a great jammin band,,,,

so if jorma comes near you,, go !!!!!!! its worth it just to watch cyndi,, but i am sure jorma's show is great !!!!!

i still remember & listen to the great Jorma / Danko shows,,,


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Happy 60th to the amazing Brian Wilson. Who would have thought a few years back that he'd not only make it to 60 - but that he'd be playing the Pet Sounds album live, and appearing onstage with the likes of McCartney and Clapton. It's wonderful to see Brian happy and playing.

The Billy Joel rehab story made the front page today on Long Island, where he's from of course.


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: Jim Weider Band- Sat.-Pawling; Sun.- Suffern

Fresh off their sensational stint at Sackett's Harbor Festival the Jim Weider Band plays Towne Crier, Pawling, NY in Dutchess Co. on Sat. night (Sid McGinnis sitting in). Sunday night come see them in beautiful downtown Suffern at the Ramapo Valley Brewery. Only 82 miles from Woodstock; 45 minutes from Mid-Manhattan; 25 minutes from Ramsey/Paramus, NJ; 70 minutes from Pattenburg, NJ. And they make their own beer there.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Recent updates: Robbie's boyhood home

Very nice, but shouldn't the accompanying caption include Toronto as the locale? "Riverdale" and "Cabbagetown," I'm afraid, won't mean much to most U.S. GB readers, who likely still think it's snowing north of the border.


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Cumberland Blues
Web: My link

Subject: The Dead & The Band

Thank you Butch, those are some mental images I'll hold on to. Levon's entitled to his opinion. I won't begrudge him that. Even though Lesh is one of the best bassists alive.

And I too was a frequant to the midnight shows (with breakfast in the morning) "Lay down my dear brothers......."

It occured to me this afternoon as I was traveling accross town what the connection is (at least for me) between The Band and The Dead. It's that feeling of home and familiarity in your heart from the sound. "I ain't never been let down and you'd be wastin time.". "Mr. Charley told me so, OH.". It's like family and it don't go away........



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Posted by:

Gene Jones

Web: My link

Subject: Conway Twitty

Enjoyed the vintage Conway Twitty pictures. Later in the same era I worked with Conway and the Lonely Blue Boys, which included jazz-rock guitarist Jesse Ed Davis. For more really old Conway Twitty pictures see the CT page of my website.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: the Dead

well, im older, so i remember the old " Midnight with the Dead " shows @ the fillmore,,,,

The Dead & I started the same trip in different places,, & i enjoyed them being one of the many symphonies in my life,,,,

I stood on the stage of Soldiers Field @ the Dead's last two shows , i was with Rick Danko & we both enjoyed the hell out of them,,

billy kreutzman & his son justin, were good friends with Levon & daughter Amy,,,,for years,,,

& Rick & i really were digging on Jerry, stoned or not,, it was still Garcia,, & Rick was giving him "props",,,,

so love em or hate em,but The Band & The Dead were friends,, kindred souls ( except Levon still despises Lesh,, )fellow travelers on that golden road,,,,,,


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: The Dead ?

Q; Is that new Greatful Dead box set worth it?

A; Yes, when the price comes down $50.00-$60.00

Also I gave up trying to steer people into the Dead long ago. There is no payoff to it. You are or you aren't a Deadhead. I'm a musician and a snob when it comes to music and I'll stand by the comment I made back there somewhere."Those who would slight the Dead as musicians, simply never listened to them.".....with the possible addendum; On a GOOD night.......

Also, I say, go and see John Hiatt. With or without The Goners, a splendid time is guaranteed for all. He's a great performer and a great songwriter.

This post had nothing to do with The Band......so I'll stop. Won't happen again.



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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: THe Band

Just wanted to let you know my company just had a backyard picnic with some barbecue, beer, and tunes over a dj soundsystem. Guess who donated most of the tunes? And most of those tunes consisted of a super 1985 boot of The Band played to a few casual Band fans who were mighty freaked out and many more non Band fans who just plain started to get into it. Of course, in rural Central VA the sound of Levon's voice finds immediate acceptance.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: The Dead

I don't check in here for a few days, and when I do I discover a major Deadthread! I saw the boys about 75 times, that includes a few solo Garcia shows,including a couple with Merl at the Keystone,and a couple Weir shows, including a couple Kingfish shows and a Bobby and the Midnites show. Some of those shows were dogs, real dogs, and some were downright transcendent. From 73 to around 78, 79, were their very best years IMO, and I have seen Lesh say the same, in interviews(coincidentally I plan on buying his new album tomorrow). Garcia hadn't yet crossed over to the dark side that eventually did him in, though he was well on the way. He and Weir still had voices, as such, and I loved those "piano years". And I always enjoyed Donna Jean Godcheaux singing with them, although on the tapes she really does sound off key most of the time.Some of the shows I saw during that time period were, nearly, flawless, at least to my ears.More of my opinions on the Dead: some of their albums are good, contrary to the belief of many. I always thought Workingman's Dead was far superior to American Beauty. Someone mentioned Shakedown St, that one became an acquired taste for me, for years I didn't care for it. In The Dark, Mars Hotel, Blues For Allah are fine albums.Now for some facts: Those guys are the original inspiration for the many, many jambands making the rounds.Over the many years, I heard them cover everyone from the Beatles, The Who, Hank Williams, Marty Robbins,Jimmy Cliff, Buddy Holly, Warren Zevon, Chuck Berry,, Howlin Wolf, to the Dixie Cups and God know who else. And The Band and Dylan, of course. They even covered Robbie Robertson's Broken Arrow.I swear I once heard them play that oldie Running Bear(who did that song?), but the people I was there with vehemently deny it, and they remind me that I was seeing butterflies which nobody else was seeing at the same show. I suppose I should check Deadbase and see if they EVER covered that song. I saw them play with The Band twice, Watkins Glen and at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse. Levon writes about both shows in his book.And I asked the same queation as Hank many times-why was there no Dead involvement at the LW, in Winterland of all places? I was at 4 of the shows, so far, that have made the Dick's Picks cut.I still kick myself, as I could have been at that last show in Chicago, with The Band to boot! One more fact, and a question: some of my most cherished memories involve the Dead; and is that boxset that was released last year wotrth the investment?


Entered at Thu Jun 20 23:04:57 CEST 2002 from (209.236.161.50)

Posted by:

MIKEY LENAHAN

Subject: Dates for John Cass

Hey John Cass how about Levon Helm and the Crowmatix at the Bradroy's Pattenburg Tavern on October 25 1997----


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: David Fricke

David Fricke also did an excellent job on the liner notes for the new Columbia/Legacy "The Byrds Play Dylan" compilation. Although hard-core Byrds fans probably already have all 20 cuts, this compilation arranges all these Dylan covers onto a single disc, which is nicely packaged with rare photos & discography in addition to Mr. Fricke's incisive notes. This is a remastered & expanded version of the earlier album of the same title. It includes album cuts, rarities & live versions performed by all the different group line-ups from 1965 thru 1971. The Byrds cover of "This Wheel's On Fire" from their 1969 album, "Dr. Byrds And Mr. Hyde", is included. Among the rarities is the mono single version of "Lay Lady Lay" and a reunited McGuinn, Hillman & Crosby 1990 version of "Paths Of Victory", which was originally included on "The Byrds: Box Set".


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Last Waltz

This really has not been discussed yet in here, but I wanted to mention that David Fricke's liner notes (more like a book) are wonderful on the new box set. He even thanks Butch at the end. Peter Viney predicted that there would be days of Robbie bashing after the release, but there really was not, probably because Levon comes off very well in the notes. David Fricke was able to do what writers from Rolling Stone and People Magazine could not, and that was to get Levon to talk with good humor about the Band. There was no bitterness at all. My favorite Levon quote is about the Jam session at the end. He said something like, "Man, me and Ringo were getting ready to have some fun, and then here come nineteen damned guitar players!"

Well done, David Fricke! That is probably the best book about the Band out there (and it comes with four cds).


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John Hiatt

If I'm not mistaken, John Hiatt is on the bill with BB King August 20 at Wolftrap, in Northern Virginia. Best place in the world to see a show. Coolers with food and adult beverages allowed!


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Posted by:

G-MAN

Big John: JWB,,,I have a Metro show,,5/00 and another 09/00????


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Posted by:

Don Pugatch

Location: Roswell, Ga

Subject: John Hiatt

Franko, go, the best money ever spent to see live music. We have caught JH 3 times in the last year and a half and he is just magical. You can always blame me if not satisfied, I do give money back guarantees. Just a tip, sit as close as possible, Hiatt is as much an actor, with those facial expressions, as he is a musical artist. If you have time, wait for him after the show , usually in the back by the bus, he comes out, and will spend as much time with the people as needed, signing autographs, taking pictures or just talking about his family. You got to go, no other choice.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Dates

I don't know if anyone else in the GB does this but I try to keep track (dates of show) of every concert I have ever been to and I have been trying to find some dates of some Band(related) Concerts I went to and there are a few I can't remember what dates they were on.. I hope someone can help me.

The Band at Stratton Mtn VT with Raidators and Marshal Crenshaw (I beleive it was at a Long Trail Ale fest)

The Band Night Shift Cafe North Adams Mass (not the 9-23-95 show with the Neilds)

The Band at Pickle Barrell Killington VT (the Nerds opened up for them)

Levon Helm & Crowmatix Iron Horse Music Hall Northampton

Levon Helm & Crowmatix The Studio Pisfeild Mass (Max Creek opened and finished with a acoustic set)

Jim Weider & Gurus (can't remember the name of the place in Kingston NY.. it was a old Synagog.. upstairs was couches and down stairs was the music)Richard Bell was a member then

Jim Weider & Gurus the Metro (not the 5-4-01 show)

hope someone can help me with these.. thanks


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Posted by:

BIFFALO BULL

Subject: REVALATION

TWAS A LOW POINT IN MARTY AND ROBBIES CARREERS, THEY COULD NOT COME UP WITH A BETTER NAME FOR THE GATHERING OF SUPERB MUSICIANS CAPTURED ON FILM/TAPE/DISC. THEIR EGOS WERE GRADE A LARGE BUT DEFINITELY NOT FARM FRESH.

THE LAST WALTZ HAS NOT HAPPENED YET! THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL DANCING AND DANCING AND DANCING AND DANCING


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Levon and the BB

Would love to see the Barn Burners, I read the postings of where there playing and looks like they stay pretty close to home... Do they ever venture into the mid west??? or does anyone know if that will happen in the near future?? Thanks


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Introducing the Band

I put on "Rock of Ages" at work, in the couple of weeks since one co worker went out and bought a Band best of, and another co worker asked me if he could burn a copy of "Rock" it sure didnt take "em" long to want more, as someone in here just said the Band has it, that magic that draws you to them...


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Suomi
Web: My link

Subject: The heart of Americana

Oh yes...Orange Crate Art is a criminally neglected classic like all albums by Van Dyke Parks. Like Robbie he is painting the whole pictures, with those disarming details. He is the the heart of Americana! Look at the fine websites - made by ..hmm..something typical here...a German guy called Jan....And the Wilson brothers are so great, too...


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Posted by:

Johnny Flippo

Location: The Battleof the Bands

Subject: The Band vs. The Dead

The difference betweent the two, IMHO, is in "the groove". I'm certainly not the first to opine that The Dead couldn't find the groove if you bought them three vowels. How that could happen with a band employing two drummers is beyond me, but it's true. The Band, however, were based in that southern groove and had the best rhythm section since...


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Orange Crate Art

I forgot who mentioned "Orange Crate Art" earlier by Van Dyke Parks and Brian Wilson. I got it today and once again I am never disappointed as the musical genius of these two get together. I also watched for the first time today the six year old video of the Beach Boys in Nashville. Wish I hadn't waited so long. I wasn't so knocked out with the Cd at the time; but the DVD was fantastic. I miss Carl Wilson very much. He was one of my personal musical heros.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Sixth Stone (from the sun?)

Yes indeed, the incomparable Ian Stewart is often referred to as the "Sixth Stone", and if you don't love Stew, well, you don't love rock and roll itself. However, the Stones also incomporated the genius of other ivory-tickling luminaries such as the late Nicky Hopkins and the inimitable Billy Preston. Shoot, I even heard a cat call Bobby Keys the "Sixth Stone"!

Jimmy Miller, though... man! What can you say about Jimmy Miller? When he wasn't busy engineering the Stones' best work, he was probably busy laying down some drums, as he did for "You Can't Always Get What You Want", "Soul Survivor", and many others. He's ALL OVER Exile On Main Street, which is just about the greatest recording anybody has ever layed down. I'll drink to the great Jimmy Miller. Heck, I guess that makes it MILLER TIME!


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: Franko

Franko - Wasn't me. I like you, but I only call one person "Honey." Guess I can't even embed my e-mail address in the text with "at" instead of "@." Tis a shame.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Who did the artwork for Richard's Whispering Pines CD? It's a nice choice for the cover. It's nice period.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

That "thing", whatever it is, about the Band, that just grabs you inside and draws you to them, does not exist with the Dead - for me anyway..... I can see the similarities, and I like some of the Dead's stuff, but they don't have "it" like the Band does.

The sixth Stone was Ian Stewart.

Billy Joel checked into a substance abuse center in Connecticut. According to "sources" it's for alcohol problems. Officially they are sayiong for "personal reasons." Good for Billy for doing this instead of dying or something. Good luck to him. He's one of the best - a great musician and a great guy.


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Posted by:

apple

Location: canada

I would just like to thank the creators of this page for providing such an incredible service to fan's of THE BAND's music. I especially enjoy the chords/lyrics section.Thanks again.


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Posted by:

franko

Location: boston

Subject: Hiatt/Bears, The Dead

DP, great minds. I was at the Hiatt site today to check out his touring schedule. In July, he's playing about 5 miles from me, solo, for about $38 for premium seats. My kids like him as much (or more) than I do, so if I go I have to take them. $190 for a solo performance? I don't know. Not sure if it was discussed back when, but in the Article section of his site, under "John Hiatt, Singer and Hitmaker" he clearly sees The Bears as being based on The Band. Like The Band the Bears "start out sort of country but embrace all forms of American music, and they influence everybody."

The reason I come to Jan's site is that I don't know a single person who likes the Band (again, except my kids) even a little. When I was in college, I was in a similar position. I had a friend who was a Dead Head, and there wasn't another person in school who liked the Dead (it was a small school). I haven't talked to him in 20 years or so, but I bet he visits a Dead web site somewhere every day, just like I come here.


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Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: TLW

TLW is great if only for four performances

1 Levon singing "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"

2 Richard singing "The Shape I'm In"

3 Rick singing "It Makes No Difference"

and

4 The Band backing Bob Dylan on "I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We've Never Met)"

In these four performances are the very essence of The Band...........

It's a good thing RR got that movie(/album/DVD/whatever format they invent next) together and that Garth made sure they set about "getting the songs together"

Like, I know it ALL....right?


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Posted by:

DP

Location: Roswell, Ga
Web: My link

Subject: The Bears

Checked on the above Hiatt site, and it looks as if the movie and the CD are ready for release in July. At first, kind on laughed, but check out the artists, who are both featuted and have written songs for this project. I know we discussed this upcoming movie and CD, and it could be so many "Bands", but if Disney is doing it, guess they need a hook and The Bears are the hook.

Why are so many on the GB reliving TLW, well lets see, History, musical excellence, a monumental moment, just plain fun. Not all of us have the ability to hear or see Levon or Jim Weider live, since they do not tour nationally, but when they did, we attended. To void seeing or discussing TLW, that would be like eliminating the Nixon years when discussing American History, hmmmmmmm, not a bad thought, ha


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Posted by:

Lil Again

Subject: (And yes, this one's Band related)

Have been very impressed with the clips from the new JWB cd. I can't wait to hear the whole thing! I haven't been able to get out to see the boys 'live' in awhile.. hopefully that will change soon. Who is it that said "life goes on, I'm not sure just why". Indeed it does. And thankfully, so does the music.


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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Web: My link

Subject: NEIL DIAMOND$$$$$$$

Speaking of the 'real' Neil Diamond. I hear by the radio that he will be appearing in Toronto with a ticket price of over $300.00 per. Hummmmmmm does he think he is: Barbra Striesand? shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: one last non_band related post

Just a thank you to everyone who's been e-mailing me. I'm happy to report that the 2 small children are home from the hospital.. and after some healing..it looks as though they'll both be ok. I'm overwhelmed by the outpouring of concern from some of you, when others I trusted more than life itself seem to be getting off on kicking me when I'm down. I've given up on trusting friendships. I'm tired of empty, meaningles words. I was once told that being "cold and cynical" is the only way to survive. I'm beginning to think that's right.

Sorry for the non-Band related posts. Am going to try .. hard to get back into the spirit of things now. The music can only help.

So to those of you who were kind enough to care.. thank you. Have a good night.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Richard Manuel

I'm still getting over the initial shock of learning that a member of a major rock band could possibly have been stoned at any time.

I have a question. What difference does it really make to anyone whether he was or he wasn't? I,like everyone else here,would have loved to see Richard get more camera time but I can't begin to judge him on his state of mind during the interview segments. I'm certainly not qualified to judge him since I was in a pretty interesting state the first time I saw the film...and for several viewings since.

Bottom line for me.....IMND.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Band & The Dead & TLW

As a huge Band fan and casual Dead fan (as in never saw them live when I had the chance and am not part of the 'crowd')I must say there are certainly similarities, even down to low studio output/high touring schedules. The Dead do have some great albums, especially American Beauty. I also love Shakedown Street, even if a lot of Dead fans are derisive of it. Bought a new DVD/VCR combo last weekend, and hooked it up to my Carver amplifier. Hooyah! ANyway, I watched TLW and the Authorized Biography back to back, and must say anything lacking in TLW is readily made up for in TAB. Too bad there is no way to splice them together without compromising the integrity of either. I would also like to see the entire concert from which the Remedy clip is taken.


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Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Location: Chicago

Subject: Manuel & Dead

I'm in the camp of those who argue that lots of the negative assessment of editing Manuel in TLW grows out of after-the-fact analysis. I assume it was The Band who chose the songlist performed that night, and it was pretty light in Manuel lead vocals. "Ga. on My Mind" didn't even turn up on the new 4-CD set, so I assume there was some problem in the recording or filming of that song that made it unincludable. Manuel was not in as assertive a mode in '76 as he had been in '68. I agree with whoever said that when they first saw TLW, Manuel came across rather well. It's only after-the-fact that we hear he was stoned during the interviews. That said, though, the allegation is believable. But if he was out of it, you can't balme Marty Scorcese, himself a coke freak.

As to Garth: Remember he's the only guy in the film who gets a segment devoted just to him and his entry into the Band. Even Robbie doesn't get that (save the one-liner about Frank Sinatra). The Garth-focus scenes ($10-a-week music teacher; banging your thumb with a hammer, jazz musicians on 42d St.) show me that someone made an affirmative effort to coax Garth out of his shell to get some usable footage on him -- in all the group interview scenes, Garth remains mute as a clam. You gonna blame Robbie and Marty for that? And as for the songs, Garth surrounded himself on stage with an impenetrable bank of keyboards: I saw "This Band" live many times, and Garth was mostly invisible -- unless you were on tiptoes and satisfied with eyeing wisps of his hair.

As to the Dead: I've said it before, but Rbt. Hunter was as good a lyricist as JRR and Dylan -- these 3 are maybe the best 3 in rock. "Workingman's Dead" & "American Beauty" were Band-influenced, but unique (& I'd recommend "Workingman's" over "Beauty," BTW).

An interesting comment was the quote of a Deadhead who said the Heads like the Band because the Dead covered Band songs. That figures: In my observation, hard-core Deadheads have horrendous taste in music other than the Dead, and they also have little imagination in forming opinions on music not personally-endorsed by Jerry Garcia.

The issue is separating the hippy-trippy scene that surrounded the Dead HEADS from the actual music. Try real hard to forget the parking-lot sales of veggie chili and acid, the twirling long-skirted dancers, and the body piercings before body piercings were cool. Put out of your mind the imaged of tie-died wanderers with one finger in the air wearing signs saying "I NEED A MIRAKAL." Only after you can banish those gruesome images from your mind, go give a hard listen to "Workingman's Dead." Start with "Cumberland Blues."


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Last Waltz

John Simon gets credited for concert production while Rob Fraboni gets credited for soundtrack production. John Simon was incredibly important to The Last Waltz. He organized rehearsals, horns, etc.


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Putdowns

Well said, Pat. I don't understand the kind of thinking that implies that if someone enjoys the Last Waltz or other rereleases, they can't or don't appreciate the real thing that is going on onstage in the northeast (I'm in the midwest and would love to experience Levon Helm and company but they don't come through here). Let's not turn this into an us vs. them, either/or, my way or the highway thing.


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Posted by:

JTUll Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Martin Barre

LDO- Yes, Martin Barre is still with them. He is to Ian's left in the article's photo, with the long red shirt.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Jethro Tull

Is Martin Barre still in the Tull?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Playing live

A nice CNN link to an aging rock star's need to continue playing live....


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Richard Manuel CD

Still waiting on my RM CD. Found out that after I mentioned the Canadian Link to HMV, they now have orders of over 30 copies. Shouldn't be long now. Hope my copy of Hoagyland is in there as well from John Simon.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: JOHN SIMON

John Simon........as mentioned earlier was of course there........ and he was conductor of the horn section.


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Posted by:

Matt

the Dead are truly a great band, but if you want to hear their really great stuff, you have to get one of their live bootleg albums. I find it the same way with the Band, their concert stuff is much better.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: The Dead

Tiny, well said, I'm not a Dead fan, but after reading your post may give it another go, next time I'm cd shopping I might have to look up American Beauty. Ros, I'm betting the guy who slapped your hiney and told you (there that ought to do ya for a while) wasn't around too long....


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: John Simon

So John Simon was at The Last Waltz? Well alright! No wonder the night came off so beautifully.

Many people who love The Rolling Stones consider Jimmy Miller to be the secret weapon on their best recordings. Some even consider him the "Sixth Stone". I feel that John Simon was the Band's secret weapon. Bless them, for they've enriched the quality of my life.


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Posted by:

jeffrey

Subject: John Simon /Last Waltz

John Simon is clearly visible in many scenes in the Last Waltz. As well, at one point,I believe right before the Van Morrison segment, you can hear Robbie call out his name, no doubt for orchestration purposes.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: John Simon at the Last Waltz?

Somebody mentioned that John Simon participated in The Last Waltz. Was he there? I didn't think so, but I'd love it if he was.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Band and Dead

As I've always maintained, The Band and the Grateful Dead are practically the same. Now it's finally been proven once and for all!!


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: The Grateful Dead-The Band

I remember the very first time I heard The Band. This connects to The Dead in the most fundamental way (at least in my mind). It was on the release of "Music From Big Pink", a friend and I went into his fathers TV repair shop Stereo store to listen to the new record on the latest stereo equipment available. Another friend had stopped by on the street and had given me a tab of "Orange Sunshine", he said, "take a half" and laughed and left. So (what else) I took the whole thing. I started to peak as those eerie first strains of, "Tears Of Rage" flowed out of the speakers and around the room in waves of color and movement and the most beautiful, soulful vocal stains I had ever heard. I sat there dumbfounded through the whole experiance trying desperately to hold on to every note. It was an experiance that gives me goosebumps just remembering it from more than thirty years ago. I noticed, just by chance today, "Music From Big Pink" sitting on the top of a pile of CDs in my sons room, (he's 22 & yes,still living at home) and when I looked at the other CDs in that Pile I see, Dicks picks, #s,10-12-13-14

My point to all this is that in my mind, there is very little difference between The Dead and The Band. They were both the very best at what they did, having come from long, involved and varied backgrounds in music. As musicians, there were none better. Those who would try to slight The Dead as musicians simply never listened to them. The same goes for The Band.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but what cuts to the chase and saddens me to the core (as a musician and a devotee of these two extrordinary groups) is that we shall never hear their likes again. And they were not finished with their magic.

I've been clean and sober for 17 years now. My hope for you all is the same. It's not a necessary ingrediant for the enjoyment of The Band or The Dead.

If you would like to hear for yourself the magic (as well as the crap) that was The Grateful Dead. go-to the web page above. It has over 180 concerts, (some unbelievable some unbelievably bad) by The Dead. It is shared with permission for free

PEACE LOVE AND CHEESEBURGERS....Tiny Monster



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Posted by:

Hank, the Dead really DID write a song about The Band, "Might As Well," a Hunter/Garcia tune. Actually, it's about the Festival Express tour. The one verse that seems to have any specific reference to Festival participants is this -

Ragtime solid for twenty five miles
Then slip over to the Cajun style
Bar car loaded with rhythm and blues
Rock and roll wailing in the old caboose

I thought "ragtime" might be a reference to The Band, rhythm and blues could be Janis, or NRBQ. Don't know who Cajun is, was Doug Kershaw there? Of course, they might not be metaphors at all.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

To each his and her own, but criticizing people on this site for being excited about and discussing the re-release of The Last Waltz is ridiculous. There is no closest thing to The Band, and that's allright.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I asked a dead-head today about why dead fans like the Band. He said, "because the dead did Band songs".

Happy 60th to the talented, and happy Paul McCartney.


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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: Heads Up the Ole Mississippi

Ole Miss,,it was a super show!! Guess some folks just like to expound on how much they know about THE BAND!!! Kinda nice to see it first hand!! How can ya match Jim Weider on guitar; Pat O'Shea and Chris,,Dan and Albert and Greg!! Oh,, think Rando and The Boss can do a little drummin ??Glad ya enjoyed the LIVE show!!


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: vic's post

Yeah thanks for the great post Vic. what a show I missed. Being in Texas ain't always all it's cracked up to be. Sounds like The fella's took good care of you all.

The new photos are great. I didn't reaalize Tony G was playin with y'all now. What a hoot!


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Posted by:

Up the Mississippi

Subject: Sackets Harbour

It was great to see the turn out at Sackets Harbour. An excellent show. Mr. Dener and Mr. Helm were gracious hosts as always. The interplay between LHB, JWB, Albert Lee, Dave Edmonds, and Joe Medwick made the evening very special.

It is as close as anyone will ever get to a Band concert again. Which raises the question- Why are so many on the GB so stuck in TLW these days? The real thing was in Sackets (Without the overdubs and corny interviews). Where were you all? Admission was free, It is a beautiful spot; Easy driving distance from anywhere in the Northeast. I guess many of you would rather just read/write about it than go experience it.

Keep all your DVD's and remastered CD's and warmed over melodrama, Levon, Jim and Randy are still on the road and I'll spend my money on gettin' to see them.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Brantford Vic

Hey, Vic. Thanx for the report. Kinda wishing I hadda gone now, but hadda work.


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Posted by:

franko

Location: boston

Just received an e-mail from jkatz with the subject, "Hello, Honey." Um, Jonathan, may I assume this wasn't really from you? In any event, I'm going to delete it before my wife sees it.

As usual, I have absolutely nothing Band-related. But I do think England have great opportunity against Brazil this week, despite the presence on the Brazil side of Juninho, my favorite former Middlesboro midfielder.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Some folks trust in reason

......others trust in might

....and The Dead even wrote a song about The Band!..........

"Playin'...playin' in The Band"

Happy Birthday Paul McCartney!........I heard the very Band influenced "My Love" tonight........

I really woulda loved to have seen the gig recently raved about in here that featured Levon jamming with Dave Edmunds and Albert Lee et al........ Speaking of Dave Edmunds, my mother found a photo I took of Dave Edmunds and Rockpile at a concert in Dublin in 1979....which featured...wait for it..........

Status Quo (Headliners)

Judas Priest

Rockpile

The Undertones

The Bogey Boys

Christy Moore

I was but 16 but I knew even then that Rockpile were the best rockin' band there that day.........

I heard IMND on a trendy rock program tonight......the studio version........lovely....almost stopped the car to call friends and tell 'em....but kept driving in the end and turned it up


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Posted by:

bonnie

Subject: recomendation-Jerry Garcia

I finally got around to watching the Greatful Dawg DVD (the Jerry Garcia and David Grisman collaboration). It has the feel of modern jazz and I thoroughly enjoyed it. The kids did a good job.(Gillian Grisman and Justin Kreutzman)

BR


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: RR

Thanks John D.

Lets get some more info on the RR release. Is it possible that Between Trains and other RR film music will make it to this release? I hope so!

Regards!


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Posted by:

John W., you need to remember that when the Dead performed live, they were drawing from an active repetoire of over a hundred songs, they admittedly (and intentionally) rehearsed relatively little, and included lots of group improvisation in the performances. When The Band went on tour, they probably had about thirty songs they would select from, rehearsed to a certain extent, and played the songs much more similiarly from night to night. I doubt if The Band could do much justice to "The Other One," "Bird Song" or "Terrapin Station." Not that that makes one better than the other, just different.


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: beyond rural

Subject: Must be safe to come out

It's grate to see so many BandHeads posting about the validity of the Grateful Dead. I went to see them many times,but never thought of myself as a "Deadhead".Robert Hunter was mentioned here a couple of weeks ago as one of the best songwriters.It's been mentioned already that The Dead covered Dylan and Garcia covered The Band.Rick Danko and Garth Hudson covered Grateful Dead songs on their solo albums.A lot of this Band/Dead connection has been written about already here.It's nice to see some defenders of The Dead and their music/musicianship speak up.

Long Live The Band The Music Never Stopped



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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

The Dead also did "When I Paint My Masterpiece" a lot and that may be a Dylan song but of course it always reminds you of The Band. And of course they did "Not Fade Away" all the time which The Band covered on the Buddy Holly tribute album. I always loved the Dead and saw them tons of times, though I was a bigger "Band-head" (can you be a "Levon-head?"). I don't think it is a put down on the Dead to say, when you come down to it, the Band had more musical talent. The Dead rarely played a whole song without someone playing part of it off key or missing a beat or something. That's not to put down their willingness to take risks, try new things, and improvise. They were great at that, maybe the best. If that is the priority we are talking about, they might be bettet than The Band. But just in terms of playing and singing in harmony, playing together tight, just in general "musical talent", I think The Band had 'em beat. By the way, if you like the Dead check out Phil Lesh and Friends, with Warren Haynes on guitar, they sound much like The Dead and the new CD "There and Back Again" contains several songs written by Robert Hunter.


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Posted by:

Bessie

Wasn't John Simon the musical director for TLW? I think he was definitely there ...


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: Bob!

Yeah baby, it's me! You ain't still into that you know what ..are ya?

No Grateful Dead bashin' today! I liked American Beauty Too!!


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Posted by:

Caledonia

A few more thoughts before I go ...

I'm always struck by the fact that RR is (I think) the last person to leave the stage at the end of TLW ... he looks out into the audience and lingers there for a few moments. Heartbreaking.

Keith Richards has mentioned in several interviews that he believes there is only one song and that he (and other songwriters) are just writing variations on that song. He says he would love to hear the first song ever written (played in the Garden of Eden perhaps?) and while I don't know what that song sounds like (I'd love to hear it too) I bet it sounds like the Band.

It's been a lot of fun spending time w/all of you these past few days. I hope to get back online again soon. That rockin' chair won't go nowhere ...


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: a ways back

Subject: The Dreadful Great

I have to admit that the last time I actually saw the Dead I was a bit put off by the pseudo-hippie Deadhead scene - the oblivious twirly dancers blocking the exits, etc. - and I consider myself at least a closet Deadhead. The show was astounding, however.

Somehow the 'Acid Rock' label turns a lot of people off who, when exposed to Workingman's Dead and American Beauty, say, "Oh! THAT'S the Grateful Dead?" Skull & Roses and Europe '72 are two of the best live albums ever made. Even Wake of the Flood, Shakedown Street, and Mars Hotel are great records, if not on a par with Workingman's and Beauty, but few records are.

Work from there to the first NRPS album (with Garcia on steel), any of the three Old and In The Way bluegrass albums (with David Grisman, Vassar Clemens, Peter Rowan), and then check out Garcia's Cats Down Under The Stars and Respects and other solo albums. As for Garcia doing Band tunes, Dixie appears on 1991's live collection "Jerry Garcia Band" (there are two other JGB live sets) which includes with a great, hell the definitive, rendition of Bruce Cockburn's "Waiting For A Miracle". And "Tears of Rage" appears on JGB's "How Sweet It Is", another double live set.

There's a wealth of great SONGS in the Dead's repertoire. If you don’t like space jams, just stay away from the boots and the Vault series live sets, but anyone who digs the Band and blows off the Dead is doing themselves a HUGE disservice!


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: The Dead

From all reports I've read, the Dead and the Band got on fabulously well during the Festival Express tour, particularly Mr. Danko and Mr. Garcia. I think you have to tip your cap to the Dead, even if you're not a fan. It's surprising that Jerry wasn't at The Last Waltz, considering the San Francisco factor. The only more glaring omissions I can think of are George Harrison and John Simon. Simon not being involved was criminal, in my humble opinion.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Ros, is that you ?


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Posted by:

Chris

Location: Chicago

Subject: Jerry

The negative talk about The Grateful Dead is absolute crap. I haven't posted in a while but I thought I might just sneak in to say that Jerry doesn't just have an impressive list of terrific songs and an unparralled commitment to delivering those songs to his audience. He also has given his time generously to fellow artists. There was no shortage of legendary artists that regularly sought out Jerry for help on albums. In fact Jerry is all over David Crosby's first solo album. It's Jerry's pedal steel guitar lead that is so memorable on CSN's "Teach Your Children".

Jerry was possibly the most influential musical figure in the San Francisco scene that produced legends. It's ridiculous to slight the man or his band. It's a sign of small mindedness and some sort of knee jerk reaction to his individualistic, counter culture lifestyle.

"It's about the music Bubba"


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Non-Band related...well maybe

I used to have this boyfriend that would slap me on the ass afterwards and say "That oughta hold ya for a while" He was endearing!


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Posted by:

Bones

A Robbie Robertson compilation called Classic Masters is being released in the next two months. No word on song lists, but I imagime, since it is on Capitol, that it will be a mixture of Native American songs. I guess you could have Band songs on it as well because of the Capitol connection.


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Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi again ... Pehr: Thanks! It's been fun going over things w/you too. Muggles: I enjoyed your thoughts re: TLW. The fact that you're at work reminds me of that line from High Fidelity (Nick Hornby) about whether it's possible to maintain a relationship and a large record collection at the same time (i.e. if we could, I think we would all spend the rest of our lives living in Woodstock, listening to the Band and posting our endless thoughts and feelings about them on this site). Here are some more thoughts re: TLW.

Muggles mentioned seeing the Canadian flag during the MS/RR interview. If I remember correctly, there is also a Confederate flag behind RR during the "women on the road" interview. I also love RR's slightly nervous, guilty smile during this scene.

I love the way LH speaks and the unique phrases that he uses (e.g. NY was an adult dose). I also love when he's describing the Midnight Ramble (the jokes would get a little bit funnier, the prettiest girl would really get down and shake it once or twice etc.).

Muggles: I (respectfully) disagree w/you regarding Neil Young's appearance. I think he is a good looking man and in particular I love his sweet smile. I'm always fascinated by the fact that this man who appears on the surface to be so tough can write such beautiful, fragile, haunting songs. There are only a few people in this world who can write a song that makes your heart stop and he is one of them. I'm also surprised you don't enjoy watching Paul Butterfield playing w/LH. I know that LH has said this song was a highlight of TLW for him. I think they sound great!

Has anyone else noticed the horn (?) player seated behind LH during "The Night They Drove ..." I find him disconcerting because his face remains impassive throughout the time he appears on screen although he is mere inches away from LH who is singing his heart out!

Muggles: I like when Joni Mitchell greets RR onstage too. Didn't RR play on Court and Spark? Some of my favorite lines from "Coyote" are: "just how close to the bone and the skin and the eyes and the lips you can get and still feel so alone" & "why'd you have to get so drunk and lead me on that way". On the cd boxset you can hear RR introducing Joni (Who? Joni Mitchell, right). A funny story: I recently heard an interview w/her on the radio and she described getting a call from David Crosby asking her to help him write some songs (in particular to help him w/the lyrics). She agreed but told him she would be tough. He agreed. He faxed her the lyrics he was working on. She sent it back to him filled w/red marks and notes that read "cliche, cliche, cliche"!

Muggles: I also noticed that RR walks over to talk to the film technicians (is MS visible there too?) after Evangeline. After getting through the fog LH goes over to talk to Emmylou Harris (I'm not sure but I think RM and/or RD walk over in that direction too).

On the cd boxset: I love the rehearsal of Caravan. In particular towards the end when VM sings "so you know, so you know, so you know it's got (soul)" You can hear him deciding where these words should fall between the notes. There is also a nice exchange between GH and VM after "so you know it's got" where they play off each other followed by RR echoing GH and VM. I love it! I also love the rehearsal of Tura Lura Lura (sp?) especially RM's falsetto hovering over VM's voice. He always comes in at exactly the right moment (to break your heart). I also love the end when RM says "hush".

I think that RR's "demo" of TLW is haunting and beautiful. I'm not sure how it was recorded (when I get home I'll re-read the liner notes) but it sounds like it was just RR in a room by himself playing the guitar. There's just something about it ... I guess it captures the essence of a musician and songwriter alone trying to create something unique and true. By the way, I love "Out of the Blue." It's a gorgeous song and I love the way RR sings it.

Going back to TLW. I love when RD takes MS through Shangri-La to the studio while explaining that the house used to be a bordello. He says you can tell by the wallpaper "that decadence, that softness". This reminds me of LH i.e. they both use unique turns of phrase. I don't know anyone who speaks this way, certainly not about wallpaper (or anything else for that matter).

I always think it's funny during the "supermarket" scene when RD tries to play it cool by saying that he didn't steal food, but he did steal some cigarettes by turning over a cigarette machine! (RM: Ohhhh yes you did).

Muggles: I also love that opening shot of Dylan when the camera pans down, you see the white hat (followed by the curls) and hear gorgeous guitar sounds building to the start of Forever Young. Perfect!

I'm sure it's been mentioned a thousand times on this site, but I love the scene when the camera pans in on RR and RD (w/Dylan's back to the camera) while they wait for Dylan to clue them in to the next song. It's always a wonderful moment when the song has been revealed and you see RD w/a happy smile on his face.

Is Levon in the kitchen when RR is telling the story about Sonny Boy Williamson? If I remember correctly he's not there ... please let me know if I'm mistaken.

I'm going home tonight so unfortunately this may be one of my last entries for a while (I don't have a computer at the moment) but if my memory serves me well we will meet again someday ...


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Gerry Garcia & The Band

Carmen........check out the double Gerry Garcia Band CD. They do a killer version of The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Dead / Band

I would love to here Garcia/Dead performing BAND songs. Can anyone direct me to finding CD's with this material?

Regards!


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Posted by:

vic

Location: brantford, ontario

Subject: sackets harbor

it has been a logistical nightmare to get my kids to see the band or members of the band to perform. i promised that i would do it before they grew up and left the nest. sackets harbor paid off in spades.

let me say that sackets harbor as a place to visit has beauty and charm enough for anyone.

as you all know by now, the concert was amazing, but for me, i came away with memories that will last for ever. as a fan of THE BAND, since the mid sixties, it was a thrill to meet Jim Weider, by chance at the local gas bar and variety, saturday morning. he introduced his bass player Albert, met my wife, and i told him the last place i saw him play was at Lulus in kitchener, ont., june 1, 1996(a great BAND concert by the way). Jim remarked about it, and i asked if his music was available for sale, he said yes, and later i bought both Bigfoot and Remedy at the concert site. the first time i saw Jim play was at the Band performance in Stratford, Ont., 1985. He was great then and nothing has changed since except that his talent is shining even brighter!!!

my two sons asked Jim to autograph the cds, he did, they were thrilled and from then on they proceeded to violate the vip rules by getting to the front of the stage for Levon's set, shortly before the people in charge decided to do away with the barricades. it touched me to see my boys aged 13 and 16 to be taken in by Levon and his band. my daughter, once hearing "mystery train", got it, and has been sharing her stories of sackets harbour with all her friends back home. they got a kick out of the other die hard fans up front as well.

next they went to see Levon, and Levon was gracious enough to aknowledge them with a "God Bless You", gave them 2 drumsticks, one initialised by Levon and the other from the gentleman carrying the spares i guess. they also got Levons autograph on a search tag done for Garth's cd in the music store at the Brill Building, during a visit to New York back in march. by the way my 16 year old son shares the same birthday with Levon, May 26.

it wasn't over for me yet, the rascals asked Jim Weider, sometime through the allstar jam to give me a fathers day greeting. this was delivered by Joe Medwick. good thing it was dark because i was beet red.

my daughter and sons and wife would all like to come back to sackets harbour for this event again. i hope sackets harbour hometown boy, Joe Medwick can do his his magic for next year.

thank you for letting me drone on and thankyou you all at sackets harbour for the memories.


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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: The Dead

The Dead is a great band... Jerry Garcia was a great legend who will always be alive in my sterio..just like Rick, Richard, Butterfeild, Muddy, John Lee Hooker and all the other greats in the big concert hall in the sky..

I am by no means a dead head I do collect tapes have about 200 of them... the dead doing the Weight... Jerry doing Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, Tears Of Rage... great stuff..

Rick and Garth doing there versions of Dead songs..

All time favorite Dead tune Pig Pen doing Hard to Handle and Easy Wind..

the problem I think Band fans have with the Dead is the whole psycadellic scene which the Band didn't look the part but I am sure lived it to some extent..and I don't think Hippies bother Band fans just go to JWB or Levon Helm show you see all sorts of different kinds of people loving the music... old hippies next to 21 year old college kids.. its great!!


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Posted by:

Pepote Rouge

Location: NY

Subject: Being stuffy

I really dont get why The Dead get ripped apart on the GB....what is the difference betwenn the band and the dead? They both play roots music, both influenced by folk bluegrass and blues...and they both respected one another. Later on the Dead enlisted the Band to open for them because they were friends and the Band was not what they once were. Lets get real here....is the dead bashed here because they have a bunch of hippies who followed them around....is it the bad rap because of drugs(rock and roll get real!)I'm sure you have to be stoned to listen to the Dead...is this highschool? Have the people who bash the Dead even given them a chance? Remember Rick did ripple a while back/ Is it not true that The dead helped get the Band back on the road in 73 when they were to drugged out and lazy to do it themselves. Remember the great shows that followed watkins glen and Roosevelt? What about songs like Cumberland Blues...friend of the Devil...Attics of my Life.....easy Wind can a true Band and music fan really dismiss quality music like that. NEWSFLASH its what you alreadylisten to! Man,people here talk about Shakira and diss the Dead what a ass backwards world. I'm gonna puff and listen to a Dead tape...Late lew


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Posted by:

Muggles

Location: Boston
Web: My link

Subject: assorted last waltz thoughts

allo.

long-time listener, first-time caller./n big band fan, know the whole background on everything and the history of the last waltz, read levon's book, blah blah blah. when you know all the back story of TLW, it's easy to get caught up in the tension between RR/MS and LH or the shafting of GH/RD/RM's limited coverage in the film. but. let's not forget.

in spite of its faults, this film kicks ass. and i consider myself so so lucky to be able to turn it on any night of the week and listen to that brilliant music.

i took a group of people to the theatre to see it a couple months ago, and they only had a minimal amount of exposure to the band. it blew their mind. so please don't let your knowledge cloud your enjoyment of what must have been a brilliant brilliant night.

because i'm bored in my cubicle, i'd like to cheer myself up by listing some of my favorite moments from the film. this will be extensive, but you're not obligated to keep reading.....

**robbie catching the fly, with the canadian flag in the background. 'ask me that...ask me that again.' i thought it was funny that scorcese included this, right at the outset of the film. it sort of acknowledges that robbie's acting throughout. carefully choosing his words, very aware of how he wants to appear. and somehow for me, that obvious moment makes it all not so bad. MS also makes no effort to show RR's acting a bit, by including the same phrase twice. RR refers to TLW as 'the beginning of the end' and later refers to 'the beginning of the end' of tin pan alley. you can almost see him practicing this phrase in the mirror beforehand, smiling and nodding.

**during 'up on cripple' creek, when RD leans into the mic, as this life on the road is gettin' pretty old, and yells 'so i guess i'll call up my big MAMA'. such badass harmonizing, i LOVE it!

**the way RM says 'car-owww-sing' in the interview about stealing balogna.

**the first shot of RM at the piano during 'the shape i'm in'. man. that just takes my breath away. i love that shot so much. my second-favorite shot in the movie is the first time you see dylan. that slow pan down to that ridiculous white hat. he looks like the god he is. it's beautiful.

**levon's faces, but particularly during 'the shape i'm in'. it's funny to see him years later still making those hideously hilarious facial contortions with the barnburners.

**RD's vocals in 'the weight', but more so his bass playing. you can almost see the little strings on his elbows rising up to jim henson pulling them spastically. i bet henson was a band fan. btw, if you're a muppets fan, the characters from the electric mayhem band were actually based on actual musicians. dr. teeth = dr. john, janis = joni mitchell/janis joplin, sgt. floyd pepper = lennon, zoot = coltrane, animal = keith moon (if you have the dvd, make sure you listen to the 'other musicians' commentary during this song. levon tells a great story about trying to smoke up pops staples.)

**'i can make love to you woman...FIVE minutes time.'

**even though it's showy and lame, i'm a sucker for the moments where robbie's playing a solo and he sort of hits a note and then shakes his right hand in the air a little bit. there's a good one during 'it makes no difference'.

**'helpless' is the best, start to finish. 'they got it now, robbie.' i love neil young here, but man is he ugly. watching TLW, a friend of mine said 'neil young might be the only human who's actually uglier when they smile.' i bet his harmonica smelled bad too. i wouldn't want to share a mic with him during that tune. stinky. GH is great during this song though. making those wierd windish sounds. GOD, why am i in this CUBICLE, i want to go home, smoke a lid and watch this NOW!

**does levon exhale smoke even when he's not smoking? it seems like during 'ophelia', he's got smoke coming out of his mouth. is that possible? that's a lotta cigs. such a shame. so wonderful when he turns around to the brass section after that song. a grateful gentleman throughout.

**joni's beautiful. such a mommy/gypsy-like presence. so sweet how she greets RR onstage. that's my favorite song in the whole film. 'why'd yahaveta get so drunk?' the air-conditioned cubicles, and the carbon ribbon writes...GET ME OUT OF HERE.

**everyone's already said everything about Van the Man. what a freak though.

**the paul butterfield song actually bores me more than neil diamond. i used to pee during neil. now i pee during paul.

**after 'evangeline', as the band is walking off, you can see RR walk straight to the edge of the stage to talk things over with scorcese. meanwhile, LH is walking in the opposite direction trying to wave the fake mist/smoke out of the way with his hands. visually, a great symbol of the way things apparently were.

**i love when dylan says something to someone in the crowd and then smiles at them during 'forever young'. once in a while he still smiles during a concert. it's the best.

**for me, the biggest fault in the movie is 'i shall be released'. that was a big omission, not having a camera on RM. it took me a couple viewings to even know what was going on. it almost sounds like clapton singing that verse. but what can ya do? it's amazing that they got the footage they did. must've been such a clusterfuck, especially with everyone as drugged up as they were.

**during that closing 'last waltz theme', look at the lighting. the way the shadows are cast, but not behind the people creating the shadows. it's gorgeous.

i don't want to be at work. is anyone still reading? sorry to ramble. if you're bored like me and feel like reading more, here's a story i wrote about going to a levon and barnburners show not too long ago, http://www.dudemagonline.com/levon.htm.

pulling that eternal plow,

muggles


Entered at Tue Jun 18 13:34:53 CEST 2002 from piggy.gla.ac.uk (130.209.6.40)

Posted by:

John

Location: Glasgow, Scotland

Subject: TLW DVD

Hi, Just a quick question. Does anyone know if MGM plan to release a Region 2 (UK) DVD of The Last Waltz? If so, when etc.? Cheers, jbob


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Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: Groping

This groping subject just won't go away will it??

As a generalisation I think its safe to say that most women dislike being groped in public and/or by complete strangers anywhere, whereas it seems that some men find it complimentary and exciting. It'd be unfair to men to suggest that they would all have the same reaction, and I imagine that many men would find it just as tiresome if they had to fend off unwanted offers on a frequent basis.

I bet that Joni Mitchell would have felt a great buzz at being included amongst the cream of the music scene in TLW, but perhaps that didn't extend to being felt up amongst a crowd of men by goodness knows whom, IMO the look on her face tells it all.

BTW call me "thick" if you like but prior to reading information here two years ago, I never realised that Richard Manuel was anything other than laid back and funny in his interview segments in TLW. He also blew me away with his solitary moment in the spotlight "The Shape I'm In"....its obviously a highlight of the film.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: He made TLW happen and wrote the music

Robbie was the central figure in this movie because if it wasnt for him it would have never happened, as has been documented for the most part the rest of the Band had no intrest. I was thinking about what RR must have felt like when it was time to put an album togather, do you remember back in school when we had to do group projects, were you ever the unfortuante one that got stuck with a group where all members didnt particapate and maybe you were stuck doing most of the work, be honest when everyone got the same grade as you did how did you feel?? IMO thats how it was the last few years of the Band, Robertson doing most the work, in the end he wanted to be recognized for it is all, for his ego and his pocket book, nothing more than most of us have done in our own jobs....I cant blame the man for that...


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Lots of things

Susan.. I'm sure the guy you knocked in the berries was very surprised, just wanted to state that although I havent a problem with a lady giving me a free hand I by no means walk around gropping ladies, just wanted to make that clear..


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Posted by:

Some Band trivia - The Band opened up the very last show that the Grateful Dead ever played, I do believe. Anyone who likes The Band but not the Dead should listen to American Beauty. It's admittedly very influenced by The Band, but not a rip-off, and it's almost as classic an album as Big Pink, if not as acclaimed.


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Richard on TLW

Richard's interview presence in TLW seems to get a variety of readings. Some people see him as out of it - I think this comes from too much interpreting with later knowledge. He looks pretty alert to me in the interview segments. I think a lot of people are put off by The Beard. It's heavy even for a time when beards were regularly seen on the street, and dark, and he plays with it, like so many bearded guys do. People seeing the film for the first time in the 80s and beyond must be surprised by the beards, and Richard's is especially heavy. I think that's more beard than I've seen in any other picture - it may well read as street person to people seeing it for the first time now, although in the mid-70s it was not that far out of the norm.

Richard's interview segments seem the most unguarded of any of the guys; he knows the camera is there but he's not self-conscious, and he's not working to project an image. This might be the result of his self-reported inebriated state, but I get the same impression from his interview with Ruth Spencer - he's open, direct and unguarded in a way that none of the others are.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean........

I agree with Pehr about TLW....it's a portrait......

I still maintain that "I Don't Believe You" from TLW is the very best thing The Band EVER did with Dylan........

Band-Heads do NOT like The Dead the way Deadheads like The Band....

Yep!....it's official.....The GB has spoken!.........

Did Garcia and RR ever work together or jam, I wonder......

OK........Final Band/Dead interface ponderance:

Is there any evidence of The Dead at TLW?..........and if The Dead were not at TLW.....WHY not? It WAS in SF after all.........Don't make bad jokes about The Dead being too stoned to be there...ha ha ha......it's almost as bad as George Harrison or John Hammond not being there......

When you find yerself asking these questions at this time of The AM.....it's probably time for bed......


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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: caledonia's posts

Caledonia: I enjoyed going over things with you today. thanks for a fun discussion. What you said in closing about Richard's presence put me in a very warm, heartfelt agreement.

Great to see Jim Weider's record up in the banner, and hear such great things about it. Cant wait to get it.


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Posted by:

Caledonia

I somehow managed to submit my last entry twice. Please accept my apologies for the inconvenience.


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Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi again ... Rosalind: Thank you for the clarification re: "seasoned veteran." Pehr: I think we're on the same page (overall)! I agree w/everything you wrote about LH. I (respectfully) disagree w/you though regarding the need for a central figure (RR) in the film. If this were a regular movie (vs. a documentary) I would agree. RR and MS have said that the interviews were added to the film in order to tell the Band's story so that potential audience members who might be unfamiliar w/the Band would understand who they were and why TLW was a historic event. While I don't think it was necessary for each member of the Band to have an equal amount of screen time, I think the concert footage and interviews could have been done w/a more even hand. I agree w/your point that MS probably used the best footage he had - - RR alluded to this in a recent TLW article (I can't remember where I saw this) when he said that the film was "tightened up" for the purpose of clarity and quality. I just wish MS had a more diverse choice of footage to choose from when he was making these decisions. I agree w/you re: RR's attributes as an articulate spokesperson and elegant presence on screen. I also agree w/your comments re: RM. I think he appeared in the film as he was at the time and I can't improve on your description of his many qualities which shine through despite the brief amount of time he appears on screen.


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Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi again ... Rosalind: Thank you for the clarification re: "seasoned veteran." Pehr: I think we're on the same page (overall)! I agree w/everything you wrote about LH. I (respectfully) disagree w/you though regarding the need for a central figure (RR) in the film. If this were a regular movie (vs. a documentary) I would agree. RR and MS have said that the interviews were added to the film in order to tell the Band's story so that potential audience members who might be unfamiliar w/the Band would understand who they were and why TLW was a historic event. While I don't think it was necessary for each member of the Band to have an equal amount of screen time, I think the concert footage and interviews could have been done w/a more even hand. I agree w/your point that MS probably used the best footage he had - - RR alluded to this in a recent TLW article (I can't remember where I saw this) when he said that the film was "tightened up" for the purpose of clarity and quality. I just wish MS had a more diverse choice of footage to choose from when he was making these decisions. I agree w/you re: RR's attributes as an articulate spokesperson and elegant presence on screen. I also agree w/your comments re: RM. I think he appeared in the film as he was at the time and I can't improve on your description of his many qualities which shine through despite the brief amount of time he appears on screen.


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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: REMEDY CD

John D.. Get tied to a chair before ya listen to REMEDY, otherwise you'll be floatin in the air!! That good!!!!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Jim Weider

I'm knocked out with the clips I'm hearing of Jimmy Weider and the band. He and Rando are really cooking. Can't wait to hear the whole CD.


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Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Subject: The Electric Factory

Is the The Electric Factory in Philly still open?


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Posted by:

Pearl s. a. Singer

Subject: Caledonia - the gem connection

RE this Neil Diamond stuff.

Has nobody else sussed the real reason why he was on? It was RR's mystery jewel link binding the whole Waltz thing together - Neil DIAMOND, Jack RUBY, Ronnie Wood [PRECIOUS STONE], Van the Man [EMERALD Isle], Ringo [whacking great SAPPHIRE ring], Interval sweets [OPAL fruits]

Come on you people - read between the lines. Pleeeeease!!


Entered at Tue Jun 18 00:52:21 CEST 2002 from m198214182153.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.182.153)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: TLW notes

Caledonia: You get my drift. I stayed mute on this point for a few days just to see where it was going. Levon looks great and commanding behind the drums, and I love to watch his footage because he is so animated, into it, he sang so well, has that old-school approach to the instrument (Notice how he holds the sticks... I dont know too many rock drummers that hold the sticks that way anymore) and of course, the faces he makes speak volumes. I would have loved to see more Garth and Richard but I just trust MS that the shots just weren't there or didn't go with it. The results long term dont lie... compare this film's place in history with what happened to "Reynaldo & Clara", "Journey through the Past", "KIds are Alright", etc. and I think what was left on the floor probably was thought out and considered many times, very thoughtfully.

As to RR's prominence, well I get the humor in ronnie Hawkins reaction at the premeire and all that- But the film needed a lead character for clarity's sake: RR more or less was the spokesman during the years in question, was very good and articulate in that role for those years and comes off very believable in the film, and if I do say, has a certain elegance and presence throught the film. Saying that I dont infer in any way that any of the others dont. (when I first saw the film, Richard was the character I was most interested in) beyond that, It was RR's Idea to get off the road, do the movie, and put up the bucks and put in the time. He and MS ended up working together on a number of significant films, "Raging Bull", "Color of Money", etc., were dumped by their spouses together, etc., so it goes on that MS would to some degree see the project thru RR's eyes.

Back to Richard, I never thought he was a tragic figure in this movie, and still dont. I dont think MS got him sauced up for the movie- Richard liked to drink and hang out. I think he could have gone into the movies as much as any of the others. There is a sense of the genuine about him, a ruggedness and frailty, as well as very mobile quality to his features that expresses more about what he says than the words do.

Ann: yes, they all went to the first show and came back PISSED! then we all heard the second show was a great time, though I forgot that!

Bill: they don't really shoot piano players do they?


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Posted by:

jeffrey

Web: My link

Subject: Eric von Schmidt: Living on the Trail

Great piece of news! Eric,Muldaur,Butter,Garrett.....gotta be good!


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Clarification

Caledonia, By "Seasoned Veteran" I just meant folks that have had their musical tastes cultivated, and in turn have had their lives richened immeasurably, and in some cases actually transformed by discovering the music of The Band over the years. I didn't mean you have to go as far as to know any of them personally. There are some "Real" seasoned veterans that take the time to post in the Guestbook tho.

That "The Grateful Dead Sucks" line was a reflex, I was hauled off to one of their concerts several years back by a "Deadhead" friend of mine who was convinced that I would experience some kind of an epiphany. Wrong! All I realized is that you absolutely cannot even begin to appreciate The Grateful Dead's music without being stoned! To me, that is not quality music! The Band, you can listen to drunk, stoned or completely straight, happy or sad and It will give you something of value in return every time, without fail! Now that's timeless!


Entered at Mon Jun 17 23:27:09 CEST 2002 from dialup-63.208.61.19dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net (63.208.61.19)

Posted by:

Ann

Pehr... I too was living in St. Louis (and am back again) when Hail Hail Rock N' Roll was filmed and went to the second show. From what I understand the first show was more like the making of a movie and the second show more like a concert...only a few stops and starts. We had a blast. I'm guessing your friends were at the first show.


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Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi ... thanks for the quick response Pehre. I agree w/you that MS is a brilliant director and I'm not sure he intentionally ignored RM or GH or meant to show them in a negative light. Still, he clearly felt that RR was the main focus of the Band since he not only dominates the concert footage but also the interviews. I love LH's description of watching TLW w/Ronnie Hawkins - - Ronnie turns to LH and says "Was Richard in the Band when we did this?" I agree w/you that MS deserves credit for ensuring that the filming didn't disrupt the audience view. I also understand your point about the logistics of filming (two) keyboard players, but I don't believe it was impossible to do (just logistically challenging, espcially given the short notice). There are other concert films that include piano/keyboard players and I believe that if RR had been the piano player MS would have found a way to film him despite any difficulties. I also read an interview w/MS where he says that LH looks great "but he's stuck behind the drums." I think this reflects MS's general perspective. I don't think of LH as being "stuck" - - he's an incredibly dynamic performer and he doesn't need to be standing or moving around the stage to hold your attention.


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Posted by:

Bill

Pehr talks about how difficult it is to shoot piano players. Didn't Elton John have something to say along those lines?


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Posted by:

Bones

Has anybody heard Levon sing "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" since The Last Waltz? I heard him on Larry King's radio show saying that it was hard to sing. I have always assumed this was the reason he stopped singing it. The Last Waltz version is the most passionate I have ever heard. The romantic in me would like to think that the song was put away after that incredible night.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Testing

1..2..3


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: tlw notes

One reason that Richard and Garth arent featured in the film as much as most people here would like is simple limitations and logistics of filming a show live. I was living in St. Louis when "Hail Hail Rock n' Roll" (Chuck Berry/ Keith Richards/Jonnie Johnson movie was being filmed, and just about everyone I knew went to the show and all agreed it was a nightmare- with lenthy set up periods, interruptions, and so on the night had so little continuity that most of the attendees walked out of the show at some point, and the filming went on and on. I've never heard complaints of this nature from TLW attendees or fans of the recorded Complete TLW so it seems Scorsese deserves some credit for being able to film the show from the seat of his pants and not disrup[t the show.

Shooting keyboard players with the camera has a set of problems and limitations that are different, I imagine , that shooting a guitar player or singer that is more ambulatory and gestural. It seems that most of the shots featuring Richard and Garth were from the same camera.

Scorsese has proved himself many times to be a brilliant, innovative film maker. I dont think that he was out to make richard look bad or nullify his contribution as a musician. that just doesn't make any sense to me.

As for it being unfair to film Richard in the circumstances on the movie, or dressing up the Rock Star Myth: I dont get that either. These guys werent going to bed at 8:30 at night to study and get up at 6:00 to go jogging and eat health food every morning at Shangri-La, were they? All these guys probably were to some degree acting as if they were hanging out and having to film over a weekend maybe, a slice of what they're hanging out times were like there in general.

the movie is a portrait, in a sense... The artist doesnt re create reality but can only give a slice and the viewer puts it together for themselves and completes the picture.

It would be interesting to see another view of the event other than RR's, but more than one view of the event would get very confused and muddy, needless to say, it would be a six hour movie to include all the sides of the story


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Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi again. Thanks to Susan and Rosalind for the quick replies. I think I gave the wrong impression by mentioning that I had only recently read LH's book. I have loved and followed the Band for fifteen years, but simply never took the time to read the book (please forgive me). I have seen the Band perform numerous times and I guess it's worth mentioning that I have met GH and RR (what's the criteria for "seasoned veteran"?).

I know LH is considered "bitter" but this is not what I took away from the book. I don't have the book in front of me (I'm away from home) so I can't quote it directly, however, I was left with the overall love that LH has for the Band (including RR). There are many references to RR's extraordinary talent as a guitar player and LH even contradicts himself by giving the strong impression that RR was writing the songs (since blame is placed on RR when they did not have enough songs or were left waiting for lyrics that RR never wrote). I forgive LH for any "bitterness" he may feel. I would be bitter too if I lost the one thing I loved the most (and we know that LH has lost more than that).

I've got time to kill, so I'll add some more thoughts and comments in response to a few of the guestbook entries I've seen. By the way, Dr. John is playing for free this Thursday night (June 20) at 7:45 p.m. at the Prospect Park bandshell in Brooklyn, NY (9th Street & Prospect Park West, Park Slope, 718.855.7882, ext. 45).

The person who picked up on the "jewel" theme in TLW (Diamond, Ruby, Stone etc.) is brilliant!

I think it's interesting that there are almost no outdoor scenes in TLW except for the opening shots of old San Francisco and the line of people waiting to get into Winterland. The only time you even see daylight is during MS's opening interview w/RR. Since the Band is so closely linked to the beauty of nature I find it interesting that all of the interviews were done indoors. (LH and RD are interviewed in beautiful outdoor settings in "The Band: Classic Albums" DVD).

To the person who wrote about TLW scene where LH lights RR's cigarette (and the friendship this exemplifies) I feel the same way about this scene. I also love the fact that LH never looks down to see if the match he has lit is about to burn his fingers. On a somber note, it's sad to think that it is cigarettes that led to LH's later illness.

To the person who thought MS should have given the Band time to make themselves more presentable during the interviews in TLW. I think they look great during the interviews (yes I know, RM looks older than his 32 years, I still think he looks handsome) and I love the fact that they presented themselves as they were instead of trying to create a certain image. They were real musicians who had been playing since they were teenagers - they didn't have to try. This is what makes them so cool. Today's bands spend thousands of dollars trying to achieve the effect that the Band had naturally.

I have tremendous respect for MS as a filmaker and am grateful that we have TLW on film, but I'm always amazed that he chose to focus on RR (and to a lesser extent RD) and lost the opportunity to capture all five members of the Band. It's hard to understand how he could listen to the Band's music, spend time w/them etc. and not notice the extraordinary LH, RM and GH. TLW is amazing, but I wish (like everyone else) that there were more shots and interviews w/RM and GH in particular. It's to their credit that despite their brief time onscreen they steal the show everytime (i.e. RM's wonderful sense of humor and GH's eloquent words on the power of music).

It's always touching and sad to see Bill Graham standing on the side of the stage for a few brief moments during TLW.

I love when Neil Young performs Helpless during TLW. When I saw the film in the theatre, the audience got extremely quiet during this scene and you could tell that everyone was deeply moved by the song and the performance. I love when RR and RD look up (towards the ceiling) at the beginning of the song as if there really were birds flying across the sky. In addition, I think you can see the quality of the film (color, depth) during this song.

I love when the camera catches LH with the most ecstatic smile on his face while playing w/Muddy Waters in TLW. For the record, I think that LH is the sexiest drummer I've ever seen. He is so much fun to watch!

I love when you can see RD playing behind Joni Mitchell (in the shadows) during Coyote. I'm not sure if RD was aware that he would appear on film during this song (he's looking toward the camera, but not directly into it). I love that he is simply playing the song and not trying to pose for the camera or take attention away from JM. I know that John Simon has mentioned that they had a hard time figuring out JM's chords and if I remember correctly JS may have been offstage giving the Band signals so perhaps RD is simply trying to focus on what chord changes are coming up next.

I love the scenes in "The Band: Classic Albums" DVD when LH and John Simon listen to Rag Mama Rag and Rockin' Chair in the studio. You can see the true love LH has for the music and RM and GH in particular. I also love the scenes when RR listens to Up on Cripple Creek (giving credit to GH) and King Harvest while pointing out (visually) his favorite part of the song.

To the person who pointed out the connection in TLW between the scene when the Band discuss women on the road and Joni Mitchell's set, I had never noticed that before - good catch!

To the person who wondered about Ron Wood's appearance at TLW, Ron was (is) a good friend of the Band's, Eric Clapton's and Bob Dylan's and recorded a solo album at Shangri-La. (I've been following the Stones for over twenty years).

To the person who mentioned liking RR's voice, I do too. By the way, I think RR shares a lot in common w/Keith Richards (less is more guitar style, high singing voice that later became low and smoky etc.). It's also worth mentioning that Beggars Banquet was released the same year as Music from Big Pink. This is interesting since Beggars Banquet reflected a return to the Stones' blues/country roots following Their Satanic Majesties Request. I think Music from Big Pink was released first (I'll check when I get home) which would prove again that the Band were always ahead of the game. The Rolling Stones hadn't even gotten together yet when the Hawks were touring Canada and the U.S.!

I would love for Elliott Landy to publish a large hardbound book w/his pictures of the Band similar to his special edition Dylan book. I like Elliott Landy's "Woodstock Dreams" book, but I don't think it does justice to his beautiful pictures.

On a final note (for now) I was surprised by the number of negative and unkind comments in the guestbook. I thought Band people were supposed to be considerate and help their neighbors. Out of all the idle scheming, can't we have something to feel?


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Posted by:

BUNDY

Location: Cruisin the harbor lookin to dock

Subject: "cheek" bones

DOCTOR PEPPER: That was no gal with the cheek bones, that was me. You musta had too much to drink.. Must say that with all the times we saw the band Ive personnally never seen so much spontaneity put forth in an excellent setting.. Just couldn't stop lookin at the expression on Jim's face as Albert literally "went nuts" on his guitar. Also lookin at Levon and Randy back there smilin away at each other as the four sticks just kept on slammin.. Very much like 8 years ago.. "What a show - What a show"!!


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Posted by:

Susan

Location: C/U

Subject: Morning replies

Caledonia, I can't remember for sure what footage was in the going home video, but I think it's probably from a film made in someone's house at Woodstock. There's more of it in the Classic Albums video and the Band biography video. I too offered to help Marty find the missing outtakes. He seems to think they are somewhere in his house; you'd think that even by Hollywood standards there could not be enormous areas to search.

Neil D, I once kicked a guy in an effective place for grabbing me. He was indeed surprised at my reaction. It was decades ago, in a frat house, and we were strangers to each other, but I hope he learned a valuable lesson.


Entered at Mon Jun 17 14:16:12 CEST 2002 from citrix4.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.6)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Sackets Harbor

Like they all have been saying what a great day/night of music at the Harbor!! It was great meeting all the road warriors at the bar before the music started.. Krista and I met some great people and had a blast.. the beers were flowin and thanks to Butch and Levon for the hospitality in the trailor.. made the night even more unbeleivable!!

Bashful Bill..... Krista and I where walking around near the water seeing some sights we had not bothered to look at before cause we couldn't see them from our bar stools during Albert Lee's set heard it and saw it from a distance but gradually went away from the front stage... The final light show was spent in our room where we had a perfect veiw and sound of it all with the windows open and the Hot tub flowin (paid $170 for the room and figured we would at least use it for the encore!!) The lights and fire works where right in front of us..

Thanks for who ever returned our chairs... we forgot all about them... memory wasen't working good you could say...

hope to see ya all at Woodstock on 8-3


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Posted by:

axel

Location: usa
Web: My link

Subject: over 100 000 free pics

http://bigtits.xxxnations.com/free-sex.htm


Entered at Mon Jun 17 10:14:16 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Grab Ass

Wait a minute, I thought it was Young not Diamond who grabbed Joanies hiney, never did understand why you gals get your panties in a bunch over a little grab ass, Ive been lucky enough to have it happen once or twice in my life time and I gotta tell ya all I did was smile and say thanks...and hoped she enjoyed it as much as I did.... Latter


Entered at Mon Jun 17 09:03:02 CEST 2002 from netcache-1115.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.132)

Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity (Seattle)

Subject: Caledonia's Post

Caledonia, First off, you should never have read Levon's book until you had become a seasoned veteran. It has this tendency to take you away from the beauty of the music and drown you in personal grudge matches, almost defying you to take on side or the other. I hope that didn't effect you.

Yes, that was Robbie's voice saying the words "That's a good song" to Neil Diamond, probably the only words spoken to Neil Diamond by anyone in the entire building all night! Well maybe Joni Mitchell saying "Get your damned hand off my ass"

On the footage that was found for the two documentaries you mentioned. Robbie said that when they were putting "Going Home" together, that they found stuff he never knew existed. Anybody's guess as to whether anyone will release anything else. It seems to me that The Band are just about released out.

As for Martin Scorsese finding any footage in his vaults, Hell, that guy's still lookin' for what's left of his mind isn't he? Isn't he the president of the "Film Conservation" deal? Huh

Here's hoping they don't build them robots anatomically correct!


Entered at Mon Jun 17 07:51:40 CEST 2002 from 1cust194.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.194)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Religious News (not Band related)

By SUSAN AMBROSINO (WWN Correspondent)

POPE JOHN PAUL II and the Vatican have hit on a high-tech way to short-circuit sex scandals gripping the Catholic Church: Robot Priests! And Weekly World News has obtained top-secret blueprints that prove: The technology to build the "mechanical holy men" does, in fact, exist. Not only that, the first prototypes, which cost $2 million each, are just weeks away from being tested in as-yet unspecified parishes in the United States. Neither the Pope nor official Vatican spokesmen are speaking for the record. But highly placed church sources who leaked blueprints and schematics concede that the survival of the church might hinge on the success of the Japanese-made "Kumachi" robots. "We are expecting these units to perform many of the duties of a human priest, including hearing confession, conducting Mass, officiating at weddings and funerals and giving sermons," explains a Vatican insider with ties to the project. "Robots lack human emotions, impulses and intuitions, and that's certainly a drawback. "But sooner than later, engineers will take the technology to the next level, and find ways to make these machines more lifelike." The insider stopped short of saying that the robots were created in order to stem a rising tide of anger and distrust arising from allegations of sex abuse by priests in the United States. But another Vatican source insists: "That's clearly the case." The insider did say that the first fleet of "mechanical holy men" will begin ministering electronically to the faithful in select parishes in the U.S. by August. "We aren't Pollyannas here -- we expect some resistance," adds the insider. "But anytime you introduce drastic change, some people are going to fight you." The insider says Pope John Paul "was instrumental in the development of robot-priest technology, having approved it in theory as early as 1999." The insider goes on to say the Pope also approved accelerating the program when a series of lurid sex scandals rocked the Catholic Church to its foundations earlier this year. "He will issue a statement supporting the use of robots very soon," says the insider, noting that the Pope must time his public appearances carefully as he struggles with advanced Parkinson's disease and the ravages of old age. Father Luciano Bellacosa, professor of theology at the prestigious St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary, in Naples, Italy, believes robot priests are a sound idea. "Not only will they help to minimize the problem of sexual predators within the ranks of the Catholic clergy, they also can be used to boost the ranks of the clergy -- period," he says. "Shortages of priests have plagued the church since the 1960s. "The robots aren't cheap. But anything's a bargain compared to the multimillion dollar payoffs for victims of sexual abuse."


Entered at Mon Jun 17 06:35:02 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: The Dead

Many moons ago I thought I would give the Dead a try, sorry just not there for me, there fans are a dedicated bunch I will have to admit, I don't know if I would go as far as our friend Ros does in saying they suck but definatley not in the same leauge as the Band....


Entered at Mon Jun 17 05:10:15 CEST 2002 from 64-80-53-52-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.52)

Posted by:

Lil Again

Bashful Bill (Hi!): I forgot to thank you telling me about the Dr.Pepper sighting (hug DP :-) at the Harbor show. This must be a day for good news! Here's to only more of the same from now on...


Entered at Mon Jun 17 05:05:26 CEST 2002 from spider-tr084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.214)

Posted by:

Caledonia

Hi ... I saw this site for the first time yesterday and it's amazing! It's obvious that a lot of time and energy has been spent putting this together. I'm glad I now have a place to go for Band information, updates etc. It's also nice to know that there are a lot of people out there who feel the same way I do. I went to see TLW 3X when it was re-released this past Spring (I had already seen it several times on video) and it was incredible seeing it for the first time on the big screen w/5.1 digital surround sound! I immediately read "This Wheel's on Fire" and am now trying to find everything I can get my hands on. Here are a few quick comments for now. I recently got the RR DVD "Going Home." I was so excited to see the footage of the Band playing (I think) at Sammy Davis Jr.'s house in 1969 (?). I didn't know this existed and it's incredible! I wished they had shown all of the existing footage since only a minute or two appears in the DVD. Does anyone know where this footage came from and if it's available (in-full) somewhere else? I know there are also brief glimpses of this footage in "The Band" DVD. In TLW, after Neil Diamond sings "Dry Your Eyes", a voice can be heard (off-camera) saying "great song." I think this might be RR's voice. Does anyone know if it's RR (or someone else)? In reference to TLW and the lost footage (how can you lose something so valuable?) I would be happy to search through MS's film archives in order to find the lost footage! Does anyone know if MS is actively trying to find the lost film?


Entered at Mon Jun 17 04:46:59 CEST 2002 from 64-80-53-52-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.52)

Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Thank You

A heartfelt thank you to everyone who sent positive thoughts this way in the past few days. This has been an incredibly difficult time, but thankfully.. there was good news today and 2 children will be going home from the hospital soon. I've always believed that there's some sort of strength in numbers..and I thank all of you from the bottom of my heart.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: good friends make good music

ol bashful bill & everyone else is right,,,,,,,, watta show,,,,

great musicians on their own , doing what they do best,,, then kicking it up a few notches & playing together,, amaingly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jimmy weider & Rando's band, with albert & dan, intro'd their new cd REMEDY, to a receptive audience,, even tho they were a bit far back for an outdoor show,, the crowd roared with every nuance of the Jim Weider Band,,,

& then they called up LEVON & he & Randy were double drumming on Life Is A Carnival & others,, with chris being called up too,

Then Levon & the Barn Burners took over & smoked them,,, i had to do something so after talking with the cops i got the promoter - big Kahuna dude ,,,, & just told him we hHAD to open it up,, it would be good for the music i said,,,

& to his credit we pulled down the barricades & the people streamed up to the stage ,,,

& the music was better,, they fed off the people's energy,,,,,

we had weider & randy & dan jammin with the Barn Burners on some smokin blues,, the steam was rising from the stage,, all the guys wele laughin & smilin & playing as one,,,,

after dave edmunds set the jim Weider Band back ed Albert Lee perfectly,, Albert told Levon they were better than british bands he hired ,, that they reallly were musical cats,,, ( no shit ,,,,,,LOL...)

then it went even to a higher level with levon rando, all of the barn burners weider, albert lee Edmunds & ducky who put this all together,,,all groovin to TThe Weight, Dont Do It,, Back To Memphis,,,

it really was like back in the 90's or 80's.,,,,,,, with jimmy , randy & Levon,, & some of the finest musicians anywhere,, playing to 10,000 adoring fans,,

with joe & doreen , THANKS ya were a big help,,, & G-man & Bill & Ruby & donna,, Tim & his canadians,, Rick Danko's cousin Pauly, ( close your eyes & it sounds like rick )& so many more good friends & fans,,,

all were smilin we went & ate @ some party ducky had, & it was a memorable gathering of The Clan,,,

all that we missed was Garth,,,

if you were there ,,, you know what i mean,,, & if you werent there,,, you're kickin yourself about now,,,,

a night to remember ,,, one for the archives,,,,,,


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Posted by:

Dr Pepper

Location: NY

Subject: Too much fun on Lake Ontario

That was a lot of fun. Blazing guitars and great rhythm sections, baby! And who was that girl with the great cheekbones?


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Posted by:

Mike

Web: My link

Subject: Unsurpassed Masters

John D., I have the set. It's no longer in print but I can burn it for you, but it's 57 cd's! Otherwise, I can put it in mp3 form on 9 discs. That includes ALL of the artwork...But there'd have to be a SERIOUS trade for it. Willing to assist you.

Mike


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Been a way for a while... Sorry to hear about the accident Lil'... I hope everyone pulls through...

The Harbour show reviews sound excited... that really musta been a good one... Lucky luckies...


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Posted by:

John D

Just wondering if anyone has the "Unsurpassed Masters" Series by The Beach Boys? Anyone know where they can be purchased?


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Posted by:

Mike D.

That's right JTull Fan...Three Dog Night were intially called "Redwood", and they recorded two Brian Wilson compositions on their first demo tape: "Darlin" and "Time To Get Alone". I have both actually, one officially and the other on bootleg. Both songs were also recorded for the BB albums Wild Honey (Darlin', also a top 20 hit single, #19!) and Friends (Time To Get Alone). Danny Hutton is a close friend of Brian Wilson. He also was a close friend of Lowell George of Little Feat too (he sang the "scratchy'" backup vocals on "Roll Um Easy" on Feat's 1973 album "Dixie Chicken". Also, George and Van Dyke Parks were close friends too. He produced the song "Spanish Moon" on Feat's 1974 album "Feats Don't Fail Me Now". Too bad Wilson and George never collaborated...They were even on the same label, kinda...BB's had Brother record, distributed by Warners/Reprise and Feat were on Warners! 3 musical geniuses there...Parks also worked with another label mate and real talent...Randy Newman..."Sail Away" is one of the best albums to come out of the 70's, in my opinion. At one time, Mr. Parks was head of a department at Warners! I think it was the audio/visual department...Seek out his "Song Cycle" and "Discover America" albums if you want to hear a bit of "americana". Then again, look no further than the Brown Album for that! All Parks' album are worth a listen. Obviously, soem are better than others.

And now for somethign completely different: Hutton was present during the sessions for the BB's album "20/20" and sang lead on a recording of "Ode To Betty Joe", that was never released!!! You probably know it better as 'Ode To Billie Jo" by Bobbi Gentry. Rememebr the guy who jumped off the Tallahachee bridge?! Ha ha!!! But the lyrics were changed around. The song is available on the 57 (that's right!) disc set "Unsurpassed Masters", Volume 20 I believe. It's a set to have if you are a fanatic, like me. It covers pretty much EVERY BB album on Capitol Records...and in ultra-high fidelty too...Copied from master tapes. Ok, enough for now.

Mike


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: last time, I promise(for now, anyway)

Lil, sorry to hear about your son's close call. In the last 6 months my wife, myself, and my 17 year old son have been in 3 seperate bad accidents, amazingly with no injuries. My son totaled his car only a week ago, and if anyone had been in the passenger seat they wouldn't have stood a chance. We made ourselves sick secondguessing i.e. "what if his brother/sister/friend had been in that seat?" I hope the other 2 kids you spoke of turn out all right. Lil, I had wanted to let you know something anyway, might as well tell you now-you will be glad to know there was a Dr Pepper sighting at Sackett's Harbor yesterday,his first show in awhile.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill(again)

Forgot to mention-returned home this morning to a great Father's Day welcome. Got the LW DVD, probabbly won't get to watch it for a couple days, didn't see the jams on the chapter list, probably have to access the special features?


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Sackets Harbor

Well, the Helm & Weider Gangs took no prisoners up at Sackets Harbor yesterday. Have to admit the afternoon of music started a bit slow due to weather, and a huge area in front of the stage that was off limits to the general public. By the time Jimmy, Rando,Carl & Dan from the JW Band took the stage the weather began to clear and the crowd was forming about 150 feet from the front of the stage. The crowd was being held back by wood barriers, state & local police from an area reserved for show sponsors only. Have to give Butch credit for straightening this injustice out. He did what he had to do. All of a sudden I saw him running through the sponsor area with the head of the festival, removing all the barricades, and having the police security dismissed. The crowd swarmed in to about 10,000 strong. Then the music got hot. The guys had appreciative fans to play to. They were feeding off each other. An amazing sight.

Next it was the BB's. You can tell that Helm and the boys were there to play and it was gonna be a good one. The crowd was wild and fired up, and the BB's were giving their all back. There was dancing , singing, air guitar, air harp, and of course air drums in a sea of fans stretching form the stage 400 yards back to the shores of Lake Ontario under a spectacular laser light show.

The finale jam was the clencher. Helm and the BB's, Weider and his guys, Albet Lee and David Edmund also on guitars. The jam went on for an hour or more through 4 encores. No one wanted to leave, crowd or muscians. The two crowd favorites it seemed were all the musicans joining together and doing "The Weight" and "Don't Do It" My favorite sight of the night was watching Rando and Levon smiling and playing to each other, side by side, driving the beat. Haven't seen that since 1997.

As Butch always says......Shoulda...Coulda...been there.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Anyone who wasn't at Sackett's Harbor missed a real good time. One of the most enjoyable festivals I have ever attended. Great music, weather, personalities(on and offstage), food&drink, everything was right on! John Cass, never saw you or your lady after that first JWB set, good time, eh? That Butch, he treated everyone- extra- good this time around, and what a treat seeing Levon, Jim, and Randy tearin it up together onstage. Check out the new Jim Weider Band CD on his website, and go see these guys if you can.G-Man, Rick, Donna, Ruby, love you guys, we had a good one this time.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Because...

...The Grateful Dead Sucked! They grew up out of that Trendy San Francisco Hippie Crap and The Band grew up out of the Rich Soil of this Great Land....plus Canada of course!


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Posted by:

G-MAN

Subject: Sacket's HArbor

Picasso could not have painted a better picture than what was seen at Sacket's Harbor!!! The Jim Weider Band; Jim Weider, Rando, Albert Rogers, Dan Mckinney! The Levon Helm Blues Band; the BOSS, Pat O'Shea, Chris O'Leary, Greg Sarly!! Weegie sittin with LHBB!! The Boss joining the JWB! JWB with Albert Lee!!! What more could anybody ask for??? Six hours of rock and roll and blues,,too!!!


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Posted by:

G-MAN

John D.,,,,when and where!!!!(lost you E address)


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: See that girl barefootin' along

The Band opened for The Dead on one of The Deads last big tours.........

any GB Deadheads at those gigs, I wonder?

I find it interesting that Dead fans will almost certainly love The Band....almost as a rule...but that many Band fans get a bit sniffy about the good 'ole Grateful Dead of San Francisco.......

Tell me, O wise and great GB......Why is that?.....


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Posted by:

Rob Geurtsen

Location: The Netherlands

Subject: The website The Last Waltz

I never wanted to buy the first edition CD's of all The Band's albums. They really were bad. Now we have the best available. I recently bought The Last Waltz and now I am playing all these originals on and on. Buying the Last Waltz CD-set was great. Crisp and clear sound - it proves Robbie Robertson's mastery. Now I have read Across the great Divide from Barney Hoskyns again, straight in one weekend. I know of Levon Helms book. Are there any other extensive books on the Band? ... please don't refer to Greil Marcus' Mystery Train. The website I found trhough looking for the lyrics of Chest Fever... being in love I thought they may fit to my state. Congratulations with this web-site. It is wonderfull and rich. ciao Rob


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: 3 Dog Night

3 Dog Night actually has a closer association stylisically and personnaly to the Beach Boys than the Band. Danny Hutton was and remains very close to Brian Wilson, and even provides backing vocals to Orange Crate Art. I believe 3 Dog Night's original name was Redwood, and Brian Wilson attempted to sign them to the Beach Boys Brother label but was overuled by Mike Love and crew. BW was later to be proven prescient....


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Three Dog Night

Three Dog Night done a version of Chest Fever!

Boy they had a lot of hits...that's enough to make anbody suspicious.

If my memory serves me well "I Never Been To Spain" and "Joy To The World" (that bulldog song) were both penned by Hoyt Axton. Band connnection Cathy Evelyn Smith...that was a stretch. "Just An Old Fashioned Love Song" was written by Paul Williams...Hell, that's all I remember.

Paul Godfrey: Sir I envy you, I never got to help carry Levon's drum kit to the car!


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Name That Tune

"Mama Told Me Not To Come" by Randy Newman. What do I win?


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Dogged Night

Pour some whiskey in your water, suger in your tea, whats all these questions you asking me, is this the craziest party that youve ever seen, don't turn on the lites cause I don't wanna see, Ma Ma told me not come Ma Ma told me not come, she said that aint the way to have fun nooo that aint the way to have fun...know the words but not the title, Black-n-White was another one, something about a BullFrog was another


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Subject: Another 3 person vocal group

I was too young for their Hey Day and they had broke up (1975) a couple years before I went to high school. They had a bunch of hits; you all can name at least two if not more right off the top. And what was wild about these guys is that, even though they fronted 3 possible lead singers, they didn't write any of their material, none for hits anyway. When our family traveled, it was one of the few times we could actually listen to Rock-n-Roll, (Mom and Dad were Perry Como, Jim Nieghbor, Babs, Andy William fans) and to this day I like listening to a greatist hits cd by them from time to time (like tonight on the way home from a get together). I speak of Three Dog Night...., any ahaaa's out there..,3 possible lead vocals.., not as good as our boys but it's their own....,Did you think of two hits yet?


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Reply to Neil Diamond on interaction in TLW

I'd have to disagree with you Neil on your statement that other than Richard/Rick there isnt any interaction between Band members in the interviews. For me the saddest moment in the whole movie as when Levon is being interviewed by Scorcese and he stops to light Robbie's smoke. An easy, without thinking, action by a guy, recieved by another guy, who have spent years together, are close friends, and just know what the other one is thinking. They are just buds. That somewhere along they way that has been completely lost, and as a consequence they will never play together again, gets me every time.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

To Crabgrass and all other interested parties: apparently the new Stateside release date for "Honeyvision" by Aussie sensation Nicky Love, signed to Dreamworks Records by A&R man Robbie Robertson, is now August 21, 2002. Can't wait!


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Posted by:

Harry & Mim (you know the drill,,,)

Location: Bucks County, PA USA Earth

Subject: GH's "Keyboard Competition"

Got a chuckle out of Garth Hudsons' comment to the KC, MO newspaper interviewer that "the keyboard competition is murder out there" (or something to that effect - very loosely paraphrasing here).

Very self-effacing and humble Garth (this is said and meant with all sincerity) - all you have to do is look the man dead in the eye from a distance of about 3 or 4 feet and you can SEE and FEEL the goodness and basic kindness of Mr. Garth Hudson. But let's face it - GH knows about the stiff competition in the rock & roll biz (from his perspective I would imagine - no, I take that back, he IS too humble and respectful of his roots, influences, and instructors/mentors to think this way) as "yeah, every keyboard guy/gal in the last 40 years has tried to get the UNIQUE GH sound on their Hammond B3, C3, Steinway, Bosendorfer, Lowrey Festival". (substitute your electronic or accoustic keyboard of choice here folks).

Trick is - NO ONE, abolutely, positively NO ONE can "tickle the ivories" with as much innovation, harmonic & ensemble sense, and truly even come within distance of the same PLANET on which one Mr. Garth Hudson resides. Most players are smart enough to say "he's untouchable" and go forth crafting their own style & sound instead.

Personally, I'm such a keyboard fumbler myself, even ATTEMPTING GARTH"isms" on the pianer is unthinkable for me, perhaps even a cause for laughter and (self)derision.

Does one get the impression that I hold Mr. Garth Hudson in high esteem for his excellence in his chosen profession? I hope so - that is exactly the case.

Diamond Lil - good luck & good health to the kids (is there a lesson to be learned here about safe driving habits?)

Jenny - enjoy your trip to Austin - great town, music, food, scenery, etc.

Mim & Har


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: HEY G MAN

HOW ABOUT GARTH/CROWMATIX & THE BARNBURNERS WITH MR. HELM IN TORONTO???????? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT DOUBLE BILL.


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Posted by:

Susan

The July issue of ICE lists
Robbie Robertson - Classis Masters - Capitol
in the From the Vaults section. I have no idea what this is. The release date is July 30.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Band Fans in Santa Catarina!

Rafael,

I was down in Santa Catarina a few months ago. I wish I knew you were there, we could have gotten together for a few cervejas and cranked up some Band! I was hanging out in Florianopolis and Joinville, which have absolutely, positively the most beautiful beaches I have ever seen. Good luck in the World Cup. Brazil ROCKS! God bless... -LDO


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Lil

Lil, very happy to hear yours were o.k. times like those give us perspective, count on my thoughts.........


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Posted by:

Rafael Santos

Location: Santa Catarina State, Brazil

Subject: A Brazilian The Band's fan !

Hello there ! Believe it or not there's a big fan of The Band here in Brazil. I can't forget the first time I saw The Last Waltz in the "big screen". This web site is great, congratulations to the people who work on it.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Heading south tomorrow too (though I'll probably take a look at the GB later today!) The delights of Disney. Be good and have fun!


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Thanks Lil, LMAO

Thank you Lil for the quick response to my Band kids question, just laughing how very little time that it takes to get a question answered in here, this Site really is amazing... Thanks again


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: More first impressions of TLW

As Ive mentioned from an earlier post of mine that in my opinion Rick and Richard came off in the interview part as having some personel problems, I also wanted to say that I thought both came of as being funny and warm back home type of folks and as Ive found out in here and in back articles that this was the case. During this whole film there seems to be little interaction between Band members but in the instances that there are Rick and Richard are involved, one such instance is when Richard starts to tell the supermarket story and Rick tries to say he wasn't there, Richard imediatley tells Rick oh yes you were, they both smile and laugh as Richard continues the story, Rick puts his arm around Richard and mugs for the camera with that puppy dog grin of his. Another instance is in the concert part during "Don't Do It" If you watch as they pan in on each individual Band member Richard nods his head and smiles at Levon almost saying this is it ole bud its been a good ride.. I just can't say anything bad about this film and although one could make the case that it could have been done better I'm just thankfull we have this...


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Rick kids

Neil Diamond: Rick had 3 children. His daughter Lisa and his step-son Justin. He also had a son named Eli who tragically died in 1989. I hope this answers your question.

Hitting the road here today. Need a change of scenery. Hope everyone has a nice weekend.


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Posted by:

joe frey

Location: albany, ny

Subject: Richard

Been listening to Richard's cd lately. I don't know if there is an interesting story or not behind the Getaway gig where this music was recorded. Maybe Lil would know. But, if you listen to Richard sing Tears of Rage, he falters at one point and, without missing a beat, Rick steps in and carries the line. When I heard that, I just visualized what that must have looked like. For me, that said it all.


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Posted by:

DeltaNick

Location: Ellicott City, Maryland, USA

Subject: John Hammond

Looking for information about John Hammond. I'd really appreciate it if someone who knows any of this stuff about John Hammond--see below--contacts me. 1. Complete track list/credits for participation of The Band (Hawks) members on John Hammond's records. Is there a complete session list anywhere? Were the tracks all recorded at just one session, then parcelled out onto various albums? 2. Dates for the above sessions. I've read that the sessions took place in January 1965, and I've read that the sessions were in late 1964. Anyone have a handle on this? 3. Looking for dates of John Hammond's 1965 tour to the UK. In one interview, Hammond speaks of the above sessions, then going to the UK, then returning to the US for the album's release ("So Many Roads" ?). While in the UK, Hammond was backed up by a band called John Mayall And The Bluesbreakers, then featuring a guitarist named Eric Clapton. Mayall and his band backed Hammond up for an appearance on the "Ready, Steady, Go!" TV show. Does anyone have the dates for this or a video of this appearance? If you have ANY of the above information, please contact me privately. DeltaNick deltanick@comcast.net


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: The Bands kids

I know that Robbie has three kids, Richard I believe has two, Levon has at least a daughter, Ive never heard of Garth having any what about Rick?? just a little curious........


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Non-Band related.......

... unless you count the fact that I'm listening to "Times Like These" as I write this.

I've always been a big believer in strength in numbers, and I sometimes feel that the more good thoughts out there, the better. There are 2 little kids in the hosptial here, and my family needs as many good thoughts as possible right now. They were badly injured in a car accident Thursday night. Thankfully my son was taken out of his twisted-pieces of metal car with only bruises. These children are not mine, but our thoughts and best wishes are with them just the same. If everyone thinks good thoughts for them, perhaps a happy ending will come of this. Thanks. Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: TLW/Texas

You guys are right about Richard's voice not being too rough at TLW, and I do remember Shape I'm In as one of the things that impressed me when I first saw the movie in '78. (I had never heard of the Band before.) But whether it was intentional or not, the wastedness of certain people is what allowed that reviewer someone just posted to say that the only one who comes off as both intelligent and down to earth is Levon. Although I think Garth does too, but there is so little of him. (Robbie comes off very cocky IMO.) There probably should have been more focus on Richard during the concert, but I doubt the interviews were intentionally edited to make him look bad. Unless as someone said Scorcese was infatuated with the whole waste case rock star image and wanted to emphasize it. If so, then people seeming inarticulate and confused and not showing their true personality and charm is partly his fault. Almost everyone who knew Rick and Richard seems to remember them as warm and kind (as well as funny), and I guess you wouldn't get that from the movie at all.

We are off for 2 weeks in Austin, San Antonio and various ranches nearby where my mother-in-laws family lives. We are also going to check out SRV's statue as I think Mim suggested. Have fun everybody.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Rolling Stone mag has a list of the top 50 money making music acts of 2001. The Beatles were number three - not bad for a band that split 32 years ago. The one that made me grin though, somewhere in the last third of the list - Neil Diamond.


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Posted by:

G-Man

18 hours till Sacket's Harbor!! Jim Weider Band and Levon Helm's Blues Band, back to back!!!! Mckinney,,Rogers,, Ciarlante,,and Weider!! Helm,,O'Leary,,O'Shea,,and Sarli!! Sound like two law firms! Rather listen than have em defend me, though!!!


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Wiiiide GB

It's been fixed. Please don't post veeery long character strings (like zzzz - repeated 100 times), ok? I'll hack the guestbook program soon, so it'll reject entries with long words - when I recover from our Danish experience :-)


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Posted by:

Robbie R's Girl

Subject: To Jonathan Katz

Okay thanks. I'll try your suggestion. Is this a new and permanent thing or are they in the process of fixing it??


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: GB problems

If you are using the MS Internet Explorer select the smallest text size [under View], eliminate a Search, Faviorites or Media panel on the left of your screen by clicking the X, and scroll a bit to the right. You will then be able to see the entire page laterally.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 23:23:35 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.226)

Posted by:

Robbie R's girl

Subject: NUTS

....And the first nut falls from the tree. This new message thing SUCKS....I have to keep scrolling over AT THE END OF EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE in order to read each message/post. What a big blue pain in the nuts!


Entered at Fri Jun 14 21:53:42 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.226)

Posted by:

Robbie's girl

Subject: To Bones

No it didn't. I changed my mind.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 21:52:33 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.226)

Posted by:

Robbie's girl

Subject: Answer to Bones question

Yes it did. Diddy diddy diddy indeedy so! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.... zzzzzzzzz....... zzzzzzzzzz


Entered at Fri Jun 14 18:44:44 CEST 2002 from (169.200.133.37)

Posted by:

Bones

I have asked this before, but I still am hoping to find someone who knows the answer......did any of Garth's music in the film The Right Stuff make it onto the soundtrack (scored by Conti)??

Also, although Robbie's "Coyote Dance" is prominent in the ads to Windtalkers, it is not on the soundtrack.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 18:20:09 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Richards singing and TLW cameras

I also think that one of the Last Waltz cameras was placed on the Grassy Knoll. If you just enlarge the zapruder film enough.....On Richard's singing, one of his most impressive performances can be found throughout Live At O'Tooles. It just amazes me how hard it is to keep track of who, between he and Rick, is singing parts of the choruses as he changes his range so seemlessly and fluidly. He may have been in 'decline' for a long time, but he started out with so much range and abilities that, even in declining form, he still was so much more capable than 99% of vocalists and musicians out there.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 18:02:11 CEST 2002 from h66-59-176-128.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.128)

Posted by:

Serge

Subject: Garth

John D. Garth is indeed appearing at the hard Rock Cafe in Toronto, July 15.

You wondered about what had happened to Allen..He was arrested for saying the F word to one of those english cops, the ones with the funny hats. He failed to convince the peace officer that the word is pemissible and quite correct to use in the part of the country he came from.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 17:42:57 CEST 2002 from spider-to064.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.74)

Posted by:

butch

Location: levon-land

Subject: gig this weekend

REMEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this weekend, saturday the 15th,,,,,

Sacketts Harbor, ny----------on LAKE ONTARIO,,,,

LEVON HELM & the Barn Burners

Jim Weider/Rando Band w/Albert Lee,,,,, & Dave Edmunds,,,,,,,,

FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE,,,,,,,,,,

might be musical,,,,,whatdoyathink ?

im outta here,, on our way,,,,

cya there,,,, butch


Entered at Fri Jun 14 17:36:09 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-099.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.99)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Pan and scan

Brilliant pan and scan, David. That handheld looks mighty heavy, but I think he'd have a 'focus puller' assistant anyway with such equipment - they tend to even with digital lightweight gear when it's over the shoulder. I used to think it was a status thing but am assured it's important! The audio commentary is very good- must start listening to my other DVDs in the same way.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 17:31:44 CEST 2002 from 1cust179.tnt1.fredericksburg2.va.da.uu.net (63.36.6.179)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Hiroshima, Mon Amour

Subject: Haiku

Joni's derriere

During "I Shall Be Released:"

Handheld By Neil

(Young not Diamond).


Entered at Fri Jun 14 16:17:24 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: new version of guestbook / TLW

We now have the new version of the guestbook
-- widescreen letterboxed with sound samples
remastered in 5.1 surround sound.

My post, however, has been formatted
in pan & scan to fit your screen.

I watched the end of TLW again last night
& finally listened to Robertson's commentary.
Peter & Crabbie's eyes, as well as minds,
are indeed sharper than mine. Age has taken
its toll. Indeed, during "I Shall Be Released",
a cameraman with a handheld 35mm camera is visable.
It doesn't look as if he has much mobility with it.
As everyone is walking off the stage, another crew
member appears to be helping him steady the lens.

In his commentary, Robertson seems to enjoy long,
tracking shots. One can imagine that he & Scorsese
have watched the opening of Orson Welles' "Touch of Evil"
more than a few times.

The cinematic influence of Robertson's songs has long been
extolled. With "The Last Waltz" he had the unique opportunity
to apply cinematic concepts directly to the performance
of the music. During the non-concert songs
with Emmylou Harris & the Staples, as well as the end theme,
the performances were literally staged for the cameras.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 15:56:14 CEST 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: JUST CURIOUS

Whatever happened to Allen from Liverpool. Enjoyed his posts.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 15:04:33 CEST 2002 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Location: waaay back
Web: My link

Subject: What's that tune...

Just fading out in front of the idiot box last night when two K-Mart ads aired using a distinctive descending guitar chord progression for background that sounded oddly familiar...picked up the handy acoustic and continued to play it, although it took a good long time to even guess at it's source. Finally (toothbrush in hand) pulled out Tom Rush's "No Regrets" (a best-of) and played track 10. Bingo. Written by Canadian Murray McLaughlin, it's "Child's Song" from Tom's very first LP. (link above) Why is this of interest? Well, first it makes me wonder whether Murray is getting any ducats from the use of his tune or did some jingle writer dredge this riff up from his unconscious and think he wrote it, but secondly why would a company that's in Chapter 11 pick such a downer tune to back their ad campaign?!? (That's right, Mrs. Kresgie, but it's a really GREAT downer tune!) Not Band related, but I had to tell somebody...

By the by rumour has it that Mr. Rush will be headlining this year's Eli Whitney Folk Fest in New Haven, CT in September...yowza!


Entered at Fri Jun 14 12:50:30 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-070.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.70)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The early days of CD

Just passing the previous site of a small local music store today (closed about 15 years ago), and I remembered that short period 20 years ago, when CD was new and a few independents who latched onto the new format found a niche in the market for 3 or 4 years before HMV, Virgin, Tower, MVC etc started taking CD seriously. For a short time, you could browse the entire CD catalogue in these small shops (in a few minutes), and order imports from keen proprietor-fans. I’d go in on release date, anxious to see what had turned up. It also struck me how CD benefitted some careers and not others. Polygram was fastest into the rock market, and Van Morrison was one of the very first eight releases with ‘Into The Music’, and in the next 16 or so with both ‘Beautiful Vision’ and ‘Inarticulate Speech of the heart’ – I’d stopped buying him after ‘St Dominic’s Preview’ but I had an early CD player and he was one of my few favourites on CD, so I started getting everything I’d missed. Ry Cooder was also a very early release with ‘Bop Till You Drop’, possibly the second CD I bought, and this also got me going through the ones I missed. Columbia / CBS were close behind Polygram and ‘Off the Wall’ was one of the first rock releases which made a lot of people, who were desperate to use their new players, buy Michael Jackson who probably wouldn’t have done so otherwise. EMI / Capitol was slow into the new medium, which I think did The Band no good at a point where their back catalogue needed boosting in the public conciousness. They also didn’t get prioritized for release on CD. There was a lot of talk at the time how certain releases were particularly ‘CD-ready’ – Ry Cooder was held to be state-of-the-art recording and sound and thus ideal – and got his back catalogue released pretty promptly. ‘Bop till you drop’ was one of the earliest fully-digital rock recordings and spent a page of the sleeve explaining the process – ‘this compact disc is identical to the master’ it said. I expect they’ve remastered it to be “even more identical” (!) now.

Crabbie: do you know that "Light My Fire" hit number one in the British chart today? It's in the version by TV 'pop idol' Will Young. You probably wouldn't want to hear it.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 11:46:21 CEST 2002 from 1cust84.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.84)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Screwed up GB

That does it - no more trips for Jan!!


Entered at Fri Jun 14 11:31:46 CEST 2002 from (62.189.118.241)

Posted by:

Molotovjack

Location: London, Great Britain

Subject: The Band

Hell All, This is my first time visiting this site and I'm really impressed. I'm just getting into The Band's music (should've done that long ago) and this site is a fanastic resource of information which has served me well in my quest for Band knowledge. Cheers, I shall return.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 11:16:14 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: TLW

As Ive mentioned Ive been only a Band fan in the last six months, I became one after watching TLW, without knowing who these guys were or the indifferance about there last live show I had these thoughts imediatly after watching it. Rick and Richard looked beyond there years, they had to be in there early thirties yet looked ten years older, I could tell they both had chemical problems and I can honestly say that after I found out what happened to them was not that surprised, sad but not surprised. They both needed help and unfortunatly there lifestyle would not include this. I dont think its fair to blame anyone for how Richard carried himself during the interviews, he was a messed up dude and by all accounts started killing himself long before 1986.. I agree with you VINEY about Robbies concern during I Shall be Released for Richard not being on camera... WOW as I write this what do ya think comes on the radio.. The Weight... makes my night...


Entered at Fri Jun 14 10:09:16 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-095.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.95)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: shows, screening

The GB is running too wide because some idiot tried to put in html code again, I guess. Well, we have had idiots around after a long and pleasant pause.

Mike- the trouble with the Washington show is that it's been broadcast at least five times on King Biscuit, then there are three or four bootlegs knocking around. I've seen it in Italy on the budget bootleg racks. I guess there's an assumption that most people who want it have taped off-air, swapped it or bought the bootlegs. This assumption proved to be wrong when Dylan made it over the basement tapes, but it's probably still there.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 07:03:32 CEST 2002 from ptd-24-198-99-105.maine.rr.com (24.198.99.105)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: big nurse sez...

Laurel, are you naked?


Entered at Fri Jun 14 05:27:34 CEST 2002 from spider-ti021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.181)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: TLW, Richard, I Shall Be Released

I've posted about this before, but, have you folks listened closely (of course you have) to the last verse of I.S.B.R. in TLW? Dylan is singing and is on camera, but if you listen closely, Richard is lightly singing along in the wonderful falsetto voice that he recorded the song originally. I love that little bit. I only wish he was on camera. Check it out if you've never noticed it.

I had a sad kind of moment today. I drove past the Brokerage Comedy Club where I saw Rick perform about six months before he left us. I don't mean to bring anyone down here - I just figured that you can relate.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 04:21:43 CEST 2002 from sdn-ap-005castocp0455.dialsprint.net (63.187.41.201)

Posted by:

jeffrey

Subject: Wind River Blues Festival

For those visiting the Rockies this summer, the Wind River Blues Festival is happening in Pinedale,Wyoming on June 29th&30th with "the Mussel-white", Piazza, Rory Block,Ford Bros,Curtis Salgado,Chris Duarte,Idigenous,Billy Branch as well as many others including yours truly with my guit partner Bob Greenspan.If your in the hood,drop by and say hello and we talk Black-Ops and conspiracy theories.Better yet , we can that shit for the weekend and get pasted in beneath one of the most spectacular mountain ranges in the country, The Wind Rivers. Cheers!--Jeffrey


Entered at Fri Jun 14 03:21:22 CEST 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Garth in Toronto

Strong rumor that Garth Hudson will be playing in Toronto the day after his London concert July 14th. The place........where Dylan first met The Hawks. Now a Hard Rock Cafe. BYW why is the writing running off to the right side of the screen. All this when the webmaster is in Denmark.


Entered at Fri Jun 14 01:56:19 CEST 2002 from ppp155.a2-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.4.221)

Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: L O N D O N Ontario Canada - Garth's here July 14
Web: My link

Subject: Rosalind has ears!

Rosalind. Loved your post. If you have ears to hear...

Your biblical reference fits well. I envy you because you

can put yourself close to where you feel the

music emminates from..."The Delta". I was never there so

I still do not understand the experience I feel when I hear

the BAND. And yes I always turn it UP LOUD! As John D

says I was fortunate to meet the BAND as the HAWKS in 1962.

I hung out after the show and met Ronnie Hawkins and

then Levon. I helped him take his drum set to the truck.

As we parted he said: "Paul..we have 3 things

in common....1, We are both sorta from the country 2,

We both love the music and 3, we are both poor. Musically

and certainly as a fine human being, he is one

of the wealthiest people I know.

I am much richer for our friendship. shineonpaulg


Entered at Fri Jun 14 01:38:10 CEST 2002 from abby7.revealed.net (208.16.227.198)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: ROA/The Last waltz and Richard

JTull Fan: Rock Of Ages isn't from the rehearsals or soundchecks. It's been widely believed to be so. Especially in light of Phil ramone's comments on "The Authorized Biography". What he means (I believe) is that the previous nights were "soundchecks", so to speak. Why? To get all of the bugs out and use the final night so eveything would be tight. Ahh, but who knows? That's my take. One might argue that those sonsg don't have any live ambience during them. Well, I am sure people were listening instead of yelling a lot. Then again, I didn't mix the album. Either way, it's still live, even if the songs are from a soundcheck. As for overdubs, I'd be almost certain that a few were done! Still, ya gotta love that album. I also don't buy into the story (see ROA liner notes) about the multi-tracks of "Strawberry Wine" and "Smoke Signal" being missing. They recorded 4 nights worth of concerts. No doubt they could've located a version of each song somewhere. As for the songs being in another order...Well, they were most likely placed in an order that would flow smoothly I guess. Also, vinyl had time constraints too. The more material you had on a side of an album, the lower the volume and fidelty. What I did was take the songs and use Pro Tools software and place them in the "correct running order". Kinda neat to hear. I even tweaked "Strawberry Wine" and "Smoke Signal" and added them. Still, ROA is among the very finset live albums of all time. Right up there with At Fillmore East, Seconds Out, Waiting For Columbus, Songs In The Attic, and a few others I forget. I'll probably stir things up with my beliefs on "the soundcheck" theories. But, wherever the truth lies, it gives us plenty to discuss.

Lil: I agree whole-heartedly about the depiction of Richard in The Last Waltz. He hardly was in the film, yet his voice, musicianship and talent were central to The Band. It doesn't even come close to showing the person Richard really WAS! It's already known that Richard was going through a bad period then. And yes, alcohol and drugs do affect one's singing voice. I'm not knocking Richard at all. Even if his voice does/doesn't sound rough (Jenny T) it's still drenched in conviction. And TLW still has the best "Shape I'm In" I have ever heard. He does seem to be portrayed as a "joke" in TLW, to an extent. He's still my fave of the 3 Band singers. Peter V: As for the NYC Palaldium show, I wouldn't want that officially released unless a multi-track exists. Much better would be the Washington D.C. show. The Palladium show is great, but only if if a high quality recording exists I'd be interested. That's just my opinion :) Ok, enough ranting from me for now.

Mike


Entered at Fri Jun 14 01:16:57 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.209)

Posted by:

RG

Norbert: Just read your post.....are you drunk, pal?


Entered at Fri Jun 14 00:49:30 CEST 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: a remorque (solid but stubborn) pulled south

Subject: latest second hand deal (€ 30,-)

-bathing-tub
-shouwer cabine
-wash-stand with tap

........ just to listen to the band with clean ears .....


Entered at Thu Jun 13 23:39:01 CEST 2002 from netcache-1115.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.132)

Posted by:

rosalind

Location: ..on the nickel...

Subject: What's going on here?

What's wrong with the guestbook here? The screen looks a little removed or something.

I think this Laura person has at least an appropriate last name, too bad she doesn't have appropriate behaviour to match. Too bad I have to share a city with her tho.

Thanks to John D and Sparky for the nice words, I'm glad my discovery story gave you the chills John. I think we must all have those kinds of stories when it comes to this group. If after all these years the shivers still come..we must have been given something extraordinary indeed!


Entered at Thu Jun 13 23:22:57 CEST 2002 from 163-pool9.ras10.inind.tii-dial.net (206.148.144.163)

Posted by:

Jon

Location: Missouri

I have more friends in far away places of the globe, than I ever knew I had. All have money problems and need my help. I got 5 requests one day. I guess you'all know that fellow from Nigeria? One persistent one wants me to send him money so I can "increase my size", won't go into any more details(girlfriend says she can live with what I got already). About ready to get new E-Mail address. I have gotten many weird E-Mails the last month or so.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 22:58:04 CEST 2002 from cache-ntc-aa02.proxy.aol.com (198.81.26.7)

Posted by:

Laurie

Location: Seattle
Web: My link

Subject: Group Called Smith

I'm just looking to buy cd (an LP remake) of "A Group Called Smith" . Their version of "Baby it's You" really kills! According to their website, links can take you to places to buy it, but it ain't there..


Entered at Thu Jun 13 22:43:11 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.209)

Posted by:

Robbie's Girl

Subject: What this bored (oops BOARD) does to me.....

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ......... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.......... yawn....... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ


Entered at Thu Jun 13 22:35:56 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.209)

Posted by:

Laurel Wood "Robbie's girl"

Subject: This boring board

Oh hey! I'm in absolute shock! Someone actually responded to me!!! Wow! Gee, maybe I'll stick around for a few more minutes....oh wait, better not do that, might put me into sleep and I'm here at work. Better go.....Ta! -Robbie's girl


Entered at Thu Jun 13 22:30:46 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.209)

Posted by:

Laurel Wood

Subject: Long Distance Operator's post

I'm not GONE yet.....I'm just ASLEEP....... Okay, NOW I'm gone! Yawn yawn yawn......hey this message board would be a great way to knock out/put to sleep hospital patients who are about to go into surgery!! Forget Anestesia (or how ever you spell it)......just let em all spend a few minutes in HERE reading these messages...that'll knock em right out!


Entered at Thu Jun 13 22:26:33 CEST 2002 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (24.61.243.158)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Another One Bites The Dust!

do do doot doot doot

doot doot do do doot

and another one gone and another one gone


Entered at Thu Jun 13 22:08:48 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.209)

Posted by:

Laurel Wood

Subject: Being bored

Bored and ignored and outta here for good....


Entered at Thu Jun 13 22:02:09 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.209)

Posted by:

Laurel Wood

Subject: Levon & Robbie - 'This Wheels on Fire' & my last post.

I love it...whenever I post in here I get totally ignored and everyone talks over me and no one ever responds. This is thee most boring chat/message board I've ever been on! Being in here is as exciting as watching paint dry or weeds grow. I'm outta here all you boring peeps! Hey at least THE BAND didn't ignore me when I met em....one of em even bought me a drink!! But I'll have you know, if I'm ever suffering from insomnia, I'll just come in here to this message board for a few minutes and I'll be put right to sleep. This wheels on fire and rollin' on outta here....Ta!


Entered at Thu Jun 13 21:45:24 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Live stuff

LDO: Yes! Live '66 is a perfect example of how good they are live and how little they need studio tweeking! Unfortunately Levon is not there and except of One Too Many Mornings we don't have any vocals.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 21:14:25 CEST 2002 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (24.61.243.158)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Quintessential Live Band

Hey JTullFan, if you're jonesing for some pure, unadulterated live stuff, give disc two of Dylan's "Live '66" a long, loud listen!


Entered at Thu Jun 13 20:37:05 CEST 2002 from (169.200.133.38)

Posted by:

Bones

Jon Lyness: Thanks for answering my Bobby Charles post.

Peter V is right, for there was a handheld camera on stage. Unlike the cameramen at Woodstock, this gentleman stays completely out of everyone's way. Robbie joked in the audio commentary that as bad as he had it holding that heavy bronzed strat all night, that poor cameraman on stage had it worse.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 20:30:47 CEST 2002 from 1cust143.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.143)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Hotel Amenities

I refuse to stay at any hotel that doesn't provide a buffing machine and free headwax or have a tattoo parlor and piercing boutique in the lobby!!


Entered at Thu Jun 13 19:00:48 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-167.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.167)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: haircuts

JQ- as another one who is no longer impressed when hotels say there is a hair dryer in the room, I can’t answer this important query.

As Pat B has pointed out, the Paladium, NYC 1976 is the one they should release, but I think it unlikely, as they’d say ‘Well, TLW was only weeks later.’


Entered at Thu Jun 13 18:53:51 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-167.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.167)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: techie stuff

BTW, the audio commentary will prove fun for the film buffs, as they talk as much about the pictures as the music. I haven’t watched right through, because Scorsese’s nervy delivery grates after Robbie’s laid back lines. But on ‘Caravan’ Robbie is very proud of the long tracking shot from the rear, and you realize that the mounted rear camera (behind Richard at the end) must be on a curved track running round the back of the stage, though from my memory it probably doesn’t run all the way round. I’d think you could mark all the camera positions if you listen right through. I was interested in their use of a curved track for live shots. When you do tracking shots, where the camera would be hand-pushed along the track by a couple or three burly grips (I’m sure it wouldn’t be motorized in this situation), it takes several rehearsals of the shot to get the required speed and smoothness, and to mark end points and so on. They probably did lots, and the Caravan one gets a mention because it worked smoothly and made the final cut.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 18:42:18 CEST 2002 from dialup-63.210.122.192.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (63.210.122.192)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: san clemente

Jenny - Contrary to loads of opinions here & elsewhere I don't think Richard's voice was shot at all on TLW. I Shall Be & Shape I'm In were spot on. Albeit we saw & heard far too little of him but I thought his voice was in fine form. Likewise I don't think he appears "totally wasted" in the interviews, dishevelled maybe. Rick was another story.

Remember it's 1976, I'll bet Richard's haircut, at least as it appears at the start of the show, was every bit as expensive as Robbie's. I went bald in the 70's - do guys still use hairdryers?


Entered at Thu Jun 13 18:40:03 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: TLW and live Band

Thanks Peter V. on the TLW I Shall Be Released theory. Sounds about right to me. On RM or the others being drunk or stoned during the interviews, I can't but help but think that some of this was intentional on MS's part. Surely, he could have said 'we'll meet at 4pm, be prepared and showered'. My guess is intoxicated substances were encouraged or at least not discouraged so as to loosen things up and liven the discussions. Old Time Religion is a great example of this, where it looks like RR was also partaking and actually encouraging such an atmosphere. Surely it gives the air of 'were Rocks stars and we get to live this lifestyle, all the time'. On the live stuff, I am so dissapointed that we are yet to get a legit, non-bootleg, honest live Band album. I prefer my Complete Last Waltz to the yet to be bought box set, because it is honest, in the proper sequence, and undoctored. Even ROA, a personal favorite, is mostly the rehearsals and not the true concert(s), and is re-ordered song wise as well, as is Before the Flood. Of course, I need not even mention the great canard, Live At Watkins Glen. As great a babd as the Band were, it is frustrating that we cannot get a true live performance released. It certainly gives them the appearance of being a 'studio' band, which I frustratingly know is not true at all.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 18:32:15 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: TLW DVD

On the other hand, I have noticed that the DVD widescreen print is far superior to the old pan & scan videotape version. With this version you can truly appreciate the advantages of the 35mm format.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 18:14:35 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-057.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.57)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: hands on shoulders

By ‘handheld’ I mean unmounted – in fact they’re shoulder-held. There is one clearly visible on the shoulder of the cameraman in ‘I Shall Be released’ and on the audio-commentary track, Robbie compliments the cameraman by name for heroic work with the heavy “handheld”. It’s true that finales of this kind are almost never rehearsed properly. With theatre stuff, it’ll work OK till the last night, then extra people get brought on and everyone stumbles over each other. As happened here.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 18:01:41 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: TLW -- handheld cameras

Crabgrass: thanks for pointing that out, I'll have to look for it on the DVD. Maybe Scorsese was using some sort of steadicam prototype.

On another subject -- I just noticed while typing this post, that a Nigerian scam spam popped up in my mailbox. This has happened several time before recently while logged on to the guestbook. Has anyone else experienced this?


Entered at Thu Jun 13 17:35:10 CEST 2002 from 1cust249.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.249)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: TLW - Handheld Cameras

I saw TLW in a theater several weeks ago and noticed a handheld 35mm camera being used. Have the DVD but haven't watched it yet so I can't tell you exactly where the guy with the camera appears - but it's in there. I shoot video so I tend to notice such things rather than how much coke was up someone's nose or who grabbed who's butt. Maybe some of you GBers who watch the flick twice every night can find it.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 16:53:41 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: The Last Waltz

I could be mistaken, but I don't believe any handheld cameras were used in filming The Last Waltz. The size of the 35mm equipment would seem to have prevented them from being deployed in this manner, and then there's the problem with movement. Garrett Brown's "steadicam" invention was still in the prototype stage at the time. Robertson and Scorsese chose the 35mm format because they didn't want the shakey images inherent with the use of 16mm handheld cameras. The drawback of course is the mobility factor, which Scorsese and Robertson attempted to deal with by scripting out the songs to plan camera angles & shots. During the filming of the five-plus hour concert, they also ran into overheating problems with the 35mm cameras, which were not designed for such extended use. Therefore, many of the cameras were shut off from time to time during the concert, further limiting the filming perspective.

That said, I think the problem with the "I Shall Be Released Segment" was that there were just too many performers onstage to allow a proper scripting of shots. Rehearsing the song ahead of time to correct the problem would have diluted the spontaneity of the performance. That was evidently a major factor throughout the entire filming of the concert -- how to balance the spontaneity of a live performance against the dictates of equipment designed for filming scripted, theatrical performances.

Regarding the interview segments -- the thing to remember is that they were filmed long after the concert, as a more or less afterthought to provide some narrative unity. The Band had played the "final concert" and the future was uncertain. Completing the film turned out to be a monumental task in itself. No wonder members of the group seemed somewhat burned-out during the interview segments. In hindsight, perhaps it would have been better to have filmed the interviews ahead of time, before the concert, when everyone might have been in a better frame of mind.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Bobby Charles album

Hi, Bones! My two cents: I picked up the Bobby Charles Bearsville remaster last year, and while the four extra tracks are not mindblowing, I do like 'em. "Homemade Songs" is a great lazy song that sounds like a demo, kind of a Basement Tapes feel...my favorite of the four, it fits nicely with the rest of the album. "New Mexico" is kind of cool because it's a duet with Rick Danko (though I prefer Rick's version, this is nice in its own way). Can't remember "Rosie" offhand. I think the other "Small Town Talk" is quite similar to the existing album version. If you really love the original Bearsville album, treat yourself to the version with bonus tracks, but if you just listen to it once in a while, you can certainly live without the new version. Hope this helps. :)


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland

Subject: I Shall Be Released

I haven't got the DVD yet, but having seen the movie many times I always thought that during rehearsals the whole "cast" was never there at the same time and when they went to I Shall Be Released a whole lot more people ended up on stage than had been planned for and it screwed up the camera placement that Scorsese had set up. Just a theory.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 14:59:06 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-030.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.30)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: 'I Shall Be released'

Mr G - On Robbie, TLW and Richard. I was showing a friend ‘I Shall Be released’ yesterday to point out the Neil Young groping – which does get funnier every time you see it. We noticed BTW, that shortly after glaring at the innocent Neil Diamond who she assumed had touched her bottom, she takes his arm and solicitously leads him to the mic, so maybe the mistake did Neil Diamond no harm. By the middle Neil Young is leering and groping out of control and her face is a study. Anyway, that wasn’t the point.

When Richard begins singing, the cameras are in the wrong place and everyone is masking him. As the stage flooded with people, the handheld on stage camera has had to move back to accommodate them. One camera focussed on Ringo (a natural move for the film, everyone loves a Beatle, though meaningless for the song), who we get to see twice. Watch the point where Richard starts. The camera is behind and central. Look at Robbie’s face- there is sincere concern and anxiety all over it- he’s trying to keep playing while indicating that people should get out of the way and let Richard be seen. He raises his arm, seriously, look at the expression. Freeze frame it. Then tell me he’s only concerned with his own image at that point. Note that Van also knows where the focus should be and is looking in the same direction. Then we cut to the central auditorium camera. The group around the left mic (i.e. our left, stage right) who are blocking Richard don’t know where or how to move – Joni’s quite quick, in the hope of getting her bottom in a hand-free zone perhaps, Dr John is slower to react – Neil Diamond realizes there’s no room towards the centre and has to cross Richard’s spotlight. Yes it’s a total mess-up at the crucial emotional part of the song, totally distracts from Richard’s important moment (proving he’s the best singer on the entire stage – and look who else is on there) and the camera angles switching does not help at all. What is clear is that Scorsese decided he had to show with the picture cuts how and why they’d messed up- he tells the story by ending up in the wide shot. Either the storyboard had not allowed for Richard singing that verse, or he was masked by people on stage. BUT the lighting plot had a spot right on him. You can see that the handheld camera had moved round to right of centre behind the centre group. The fixed camera on the left, behind Richard, and which could have been picking up Richard is aiming at the centre too. On the audio commentary, Robbie says ‘For a minute there no one knew where the voice was coming from’. The resulting film emphasizes how and why we got so little of Richard cinematically. I don’t see conspiracy, just a mess up.

There is another possibility. On the Complete Last Waltz bootleg (where it’s over seven minutes long with the tuning up), they just about lose Richard’s first line, ‘They say every man needs protection…’ then his mic comes up for ‘They say that every man must fall …’ If, as it sounds, the vocal caught the mixer by surprise, it might not have been storyboarded for the cameras either. So was the first line ever recorded properly? Or was it just the signal out to the speakers that failed? It is said that Levon was the only one who did no overdubbing. This implies that Richard did. He sounds slightly raspy on both the bootleg and the remaster and even on the remaster there’s a lot of ‘hall ambience’ but that can be added. If ‘I Shall Be Released’ is a careful overdub, there are major advantages in avoiding a close up, which means there is no need for lip-synching.

Ossie, I love the bit where he keeps getting in and out of the stretch limo, complaining every time to Sharon how much he hates pimpmobiles. ‘Sharon., It makes me look like a dickhead …’ he complains. BTW, Sharon’s dad, was Don Arden, one of the toughest negotiating British manager-promoters.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Oz Lovefest

I don't know what I think about all the Osbourne hooplah. I don't find dogs pooping and barfing very amusing, but that show has its moments. I thought it was hilarious when Ozzie was recounting his life and hardships and he finished with a deadpan "It could be worse. I could be Sting."

I'll tell you I wouldn't pay to see his almost Vegas-y show now anymore than I would have paid to see him back in the day when he seemed so scary and dangerous. Seeing him so de-fanged is somehow satisfying. I mean I could probably take him if I had to these days.

I loved the episode of The List (which I guess is not on anymore)where they were trying to decide who was the baddest guy ever in Rock and Roll and someone voted for Ozzie because of the dove incident, and George Thorogood (I love him) said something like "He's bad because he kills small creatures? Are you nuts?"

Sharon is frequently vulgar and disgusting, but she is pretty funny on her feet. She probably saved Ozzie's life and keeps him in line, and maybe many musicians with impulse-control issues (there seem to be a lot of them) could use a Sharon, though it might not be good for their image if the public finds out they are led about like dogs on a leash. Though Ozzie puts his foot down once in a while: "I'm the prince of f---ing darkness. I can't have bubbles!"

I find the greed somewhat disturbing--I mean they already have this overblown, tacky house and they are getting another one out of their deal for next season. But I think if you are tired of the Osbournes and how they are everywhere, performing on this and hosting on that for "synergy" you can wait a few minutes and the interest will disappear. Ozzie won't be hanging out with Camilla forever. I'm not sure he belongs on a stage with Eric Clapton, who was, after all, AT THE LAST WALTZ!!! (Shaky Band connection.)


Entered at Thu Jun 13 12:55:56 CEST 2002 from (64.80.240.43)

Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Richard and TLW

Jenny: I have to respectfully disagree with you. I think the portrayal of Richard in TLW was an absolutely unfair one. The idea of TLW was supposed to be celebration of The Band and their music, which Richard was an irreplaceable part of all those years. The excuse that he may ( or may not) have been too drunk for interviews doesn't excuse the fact that his amazing musicianship was all but left out of the film. You ask what could have been done differently, and in all honesty, I'm really not sure. I do know however that Richard should have been portrayed as the gentle, funny and very intelligent man that he was..and his heart-tugging vocal contributions to The Band should have been acknowledged as the wonderful gift that they were.The fact that he's portrayed as almost the "joke" of The Band is unfair.

Thanks for listening. Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Richard

I don't know if it's fair to say Richard was treated badly in TLW. I think it's just that he and his voice were in really bad shape. I think even Levon said Richard was so drunk during the interview segments that he didn't remember doing them afterward. (Or was that Hoskyn's book?) It is very sad and he was a great, great singer and musician, but what could have been done differently? I am sure people tried to help him help himself, but there is only so much other people can do, and a lot of it might have seemed like the pot calling the kettle black.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 11:58:13 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Band

Rosalind..liked your discovering the Band story, you really hit home for me with your private gold mine line, when friends talk about great music Im surprised they dont ask me why I have that I know something you dont know grin on my face, its not that I dont mention the boys its just that I know most people will not take the time to really listen..


Entered at Thu Jun 13 09:43:59 CEST 2002 from spider-tm081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.81)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Levon Story

John D., I like your story about Levon and the suede jacket. It reminds me of another funny story Levon told me about the early days in Toronto. It involved his first meeting with Freddy the slightly, mentally handicapped, Hawk fan (picture in Levon's book), and the first time anyone ever "slapped Levon five". Levon said that they had just finished playing a set and as he got up from his drums he noticed a guy (Freddy) kind of floating/strolling at a quick pace across the stage. As he passed Levon, who had his hand out for a handshake, the fellow, without breaking stride, slapped Levon five and said..."I like your style" and kept right on going. Later of course Freddy became a friend of all the Hawks. Levon also said that one time years later, when the band was again playing in Toronto as The Band, he sent a car to pick up Freddy and a few friends from the handicapped group home they lived in, and brought them to a show. Sad to say Freddy passed on a few years ago.


Entered at Thu Jun 13 09:26:57 CEST 2002 from ad202.166.24.106.magix.com.sg (202.166.24.106)

Posted by:

Maureen

Location: Singapore

Thanks for a great website!


Entered at Thu Jun 13 05:32:28 CEST 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: ROSALIND

I got goose bumps reading your post about discovering The Band for the first time. Reminds us all of the way it was. Thanks for the booster shot. It felt good!

On a seperate note......I didn't have the great pleasure of meeting The Hawks as did my friends Paul Godfrey, Serge and Jack Wingate who I did not know personally I'm sorry to say. I met The Band the first time they came back to Toronto to play Varsity Stadium. I had just bought a new suede jacket at Le Chateau. Levon took one look at it and said, "Son....I'll run you a mile for that coat." He was the only member at the time to talk to me and he still does today.

Thanks again Rosalind for reminding me......


Entered at Thu Jun 13 03:47:55 CEST 2002 from parachute2-156-40-65-59.net.nih.gov (156.40.65.59)

Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: Bobby Charles

Bones - Yes, there is a Bobby Charles cd that has four extra tracks on it (don't know about whether it is a UK release or whether it was remastered). I saw it once but did not buy it because the extra tracks are the ones on the Bearsville box set, and a very kind person once burned selections of that box for me. [Tracks: Homemade Songs, New Mexico (spelled correctly - not like Rick's), Rosie, Small Town Talk (single).]

Is it worth trading in your old copy? I don't know what you think of the original, but I spent a lot of time in record stores in New Orleans looking for anything by Mr. Charles because of that Bearsville album. [Nothing that I found was as good but "Wish You Were Here Right Now" has its moments, and the Chess collection does too.] - jkatz at intra.nida.nih.gov


Entered at Thu Jun 13 02:33:28 CEST 2002 from m198214182153.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.182.153)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Donald joseph's link

Donald Joseph : thanks for putting up the review. it is interesting to see what the "enemy" thinks. I always thought TLW was the greatest rock movie for sure but never really cared for too much verification anyway. It would be interesting to know what the reviewer thinks is the greatest. He seems to contradict himself saying what doesn't work and then lauds Scorsese for saving it when all the interviews he loathes are part of Scorsese's direction. Hmmmm. I think the folks here are pretty sane about the whole thing. I personally like the Band better than rock itself for the most part, so I know I'm a minority.

Recently got to your review of "Carny" and enjoyed it, BTW. The "Receding Hairline" bit really is a bit incredible.

Along that line and maybe it might rub someone the wrong way... but recently I picked up RR's "Going Home"- There is a segment with him and Scorsese where he has this 'do, all parted in the middle. Now I am one of the biggest RR fans on the planet but my god, he was a spitting image of Shemp Howard, and even Looked a bit like Moe as well! eerie...


Entered at Thu Jun 13 02:22:50 CEST 2002 from modem348.netkonect.net (194.164.14.94)

Posted by:

Mr guerilla

Location: London UK

Subject: my 2 cents worth

Know youve probably all had enough of it but I finally got to watch TLW dvd. I was in a place with no tv, no music nothing and it arrived the day after I got there. Someone lost my video three years ago and I have always proclaimed it my all time favourite film, so to say I was looking forward to it through three weeks of treatment is a massive understatement.

In those three years the only band viewing i have had is the classic album show which i love but could not compensate for the loss of "the greatest of all rock movies".

In the last three years I have listened to the band more than everyone else put together, a few times over, and I have to say that I felt sick watching. I can remember realising his condition and his relatively small role from before but in the last three years Richard Manuel has become the singer who touches me most out of everyone who ever lived. I also consider him possibly the greatest white soul singer though that is irrelevant. The identification I have developed with him through my darkest times has made me certain that if I could reveal myself with a voice it would be his.

Watching TLW now I was devastated at his role and portrayal and remembered back to the first time I viewed it, which was my introduction to the band, when I thought he was a session musician. I know he was in bad shape and looking at him in that film and at his picture on the brown album cover just 7 years earlier breaks my fucking heart, but to just sit him in the corner hoping no one notices him is I think one of the biggest insults to a man of his talent and contribution, even if it was inconsistent. I have always stuck up for Robbie as I love all 5 members but I think that it is one of the most insensitive things I have ever seen, when I used to read people's anti TLW posts I used to think, "there's no pleasing some people", but considering their incredibly unique stance and style, that made them at their peak a sum a hundred times mightier than their considerable parts, it kills me that at their final concert the man who needed it the most is treated almost like a clown.

The reason I mention the band classic album show is because of the wonderfully moving section on Richard. Why Robbie was so posessed or insecure to humiliate the people who had bared their souls transforming his songs into precious moments for the listener I will never know. I have no objection to his wonderful guitar playing being well documented, but having had the privilege to play in a band containing the richest,unique and diverse voices in rock, his time at the mike does not go down well with me ESPECIALLY when richard's vocal contributions are ignored except when absolutely necessary, and even then I sense a little reluctance. It strikes me now that with every frame of RR straining his neck and preening there should be a bubble coming out of his head saying "I WRITE THE SONGS, I WRITE THE SONGS".

He tries way too hard, Rick, Levon & Garth hold it together being themselves and Richard's the poor relation. I used to think what an incredible and fitting finale, perfect for their unrivalled status but now I see it as a hollow shell, some great music missing its soul. I listened to the new box set and the ROA remasters back to back and if I'd had the choice I would have gone to see The Band.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: previous posts...

I discovered The Band in a movie theater in 1978, I was 20 years old and living on the musical fringe searching for something that I didn't even know existed. A guy from Washington DC turned me on to Roy Buchannon when I was about 16, I thought this Buchannon fella must have been a fluke or something. Little did I know when I walked thru the lobby of that theater that I was going to put thru the wall by what I seen on the screen ! I literally weaved when I got up to leave and I was the only one that hadn't had a drink out of that Bacardi 151 that was being passed down thru the 3 or 4 friends I went to see The Last Waltz with. They were not that impressed by the movie. "It was Okay" "Yeah I guess I liked it" "It was too loud" were the responses I got from my friends. I, on the other hand was so excited that I could not for the life of me find my own car...or the keys to unlock the door. I had discovered my own private goldmine. Mine alone! It's been that way ever since. I ordered every Band album the next day. From there I went back to the Delta, The Band have this tendency to send you back to 1927. That's where I stayed for many years, I am very curious natured, I want to know what everything is made of and exactly where it stems from...I was not disappointed to say the very least. A very few of us have ears to hear and souls that are deep enough to actually feel this kind of thing and the vast majority of the world does not. We are a strange breed indeed!

Susan, That song you mentioned about the horse, the one your brother used to play was written and recorded By Lyle Lovett I think. Hey, He's a good songwriter. I have had the same experiences in cars as you have...the mediocre goes up and the shit Roz brought goes down "God It's that Band stuff again" they say. I think Gram Parsons doesn't get half the respect he deserves.

On this Ozzy deal... I think his wife must be pulling his strings! He doesn't look like he's got enough sense after all those years of drug abuse to tie his own shoes!

Since everyone's been mentioning different artists here today. I would like nominate Don McLean! He's a wonderful guitar player. A sound that's recognizable from the very first chord.


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Posted by:

long distance operator

The funny thing is that Tex Cobb parlayed that beating into a movie career!


Entered at Wed Jun 12 23:50:33 CEST 2002 from dra-163.dhcp.umass.edu (128.119.99.163)

Posted by:

Doc

Location: somewhere/anywhere?

Subject: a good tune?

The topic of "what makes a good tune" or "the reasons for why one likes or dislikes a certain style of music or a particuar song, etc.," has been an ongoing dilemma for myself. This is in large part to a friend of mine who seems to base his musical preferences on what I refer to as "intellectual arguments." For instance, he hates Pete Seeger because Seeger unplugged Dylan at some folk music festival (I forget which and I don't really care) in the mid-sixties when Dylan started going electric. He also hates The Byrds because all they (McGuinn) really did was cover Dylan songs, or, as he would say, "steal" Dylan's songs. Personally, I don't give a damn!

Though I was almost sucked into this 'High Fidelity' stance toward music, I've come to believe that what one likes or dislikes musically is not entirely but mostly based on emotion first. Without trying to sound pretentious, I sometimes tell folks that my views towards music are very existential because I believe that music has to be 'experienced,' or felt, not treated 'rationally' by some cold and calculating critique. As I have already alluded to above, my opinion is not without exceptions. However, if one's purpose is to continuously analyze, rationalize or intellectualize music, especially for the purposes of argumentation, then they've missed the whole point.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 23:27:01 CEST 2002 from spider-tn072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.77)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: NnJj
Web: My link

Subject: Speakking of Tripping

Speaking of tripping - (cause i thought i'd share) There was this time some friends and myself had a get together at my folks. It was the night of the Larry Homes vs. Tex Cobb fight. We decided to do a couple microdots. Everything was going along nicely. Then our dog (can't recall when during the trip this started to happen) started to bark. Now it wasn't just yipe here, a yipe there -it was beginning to bark. We at first thought it was one of those trippy things and passsed it off as the oddity that it was. But man, it wouldn't stop. We're looking at this thing and its starting to growl and show its teeth. "What the hell is going on with the dog?!" someone asks. "You got me," I say. I try to shut the dog up, wave it off, tell it to get out of the room. It does, but comes back moments later barking its head off visciously. Then my one buddy chimes in solemmly, "Ahh, I think ahh, I might know what the dogs problem is..," We look at him like, yea what? " I can't seem to find a couple dots." """WHAT!!!!""""" "I had them in my pocket man but they're not there now." """WHAT!!!""" (meanwhile dog is freaking out even louder) All of us get up, i should say, down on the floor and start looking frantically for these dots. After several minutes looking - - nothing. Dog is still barking. Now I start to get edgy - Holy shit, my parents dog is going to die, explode.., something and its not good.

Anyone who has tripped knows it is not good to let bad emotions take over - So we get up and go outside to grab some air (dog is still barking) "What the F*** are we going to do???!!!!"- "Sorry man, thye must have fallen out when i grabbed my lighter or something." - "Pull out your pockets a**h***" I say. He pulls them out - nothing but pocket linen. (dog is still barking) It came to a point about an hour into this episode that we pretty much gave it up that the dog was going to have to live with its trip - what else were we going to do? We were now pretty wasted but not in the fun sort of way - We nearly forgot the fight was coming on soon. We grabbed beers, a couple puffs, listened to the dog and hoped everything was going to be cool.

Then - - just before the fight started my buddy shouts out "I got'em!!" - """"WHAT""""" Where were they? Now imagine this - pull out your front pockets in a pair of jeans - you'll notice in the top corner of the pocket closest to the outside leg that the material curls and forms its own little trap - right in there, tightly packed together, 3 little microdots - And I kid you not, as soon as he found those dots, the dog stopped barking, went into its room and didn't bother us the rest of the night.

For those who care -Holmes kicked the hell out of Cobb, who stood there like a human beating bag and took 15 rounds of abuse. God I was shocked he could stand that long...,


Entered at Wed Jun 12 23:07:46 CEST 2002 from (209.236.161.30)

Posted by:

MIKEY LENAHAN

Subject: Today Show / TLW

Hey John D, I saw the same thing.. Big Al Roker and some other guy checked out the hot new line of Home Theaters. As they sat on the chair The Last Waltz played on....


Entered at Wed Jun 12 22:32:45 CEST 2002 from (12.22.86.209)

Posted by:

Abash Ishkibibbell

Subject: Robbie Robertson

Are Robbie and Levon still at odds or did that fade out long ago. Just read Levon's book 'This Wheels on Fire' and was curious.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 22:30:03 CEST 2002 from spider-we072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.52)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Reply to John Cass on up and coming songwriters

I think you are looking at the past through rose tinted glasses John, while the Band might be somewhat revered now there entire career had 2 top 40 singles. Dylan has never been a huge seller, Chapin certainly wasnt. If memory serves the biggest single in 1968 was SUgar, Sugar by the Archies. Ryan Adams, Jay Farrar, Kasey Chapman, Wilco and Son Volt do quite well and will probably be seen as great artists 25 years from now while the Backstreet Boys will be seen as the Monkees, who were underrated. All in all quality music has never sold.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 21:38:57 CEST 2002 from 1cust235.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.235)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: E-mail addresses / LSD

It seems to me that the solution to e-mail address posting can be corrected very simply if Jan would make it so that the entry into the "E-mail address" information box did not automatically create a blue hyperlink. That way the address would appear in brown typeface like the "Name" and "Subject" lines and probably couldn't be lifted by those robot e-mail address programs. I don't think any of these address theives are going to bother doing it manually. Once this is done anyone already on the junk mail lists should change their e-mail address or use or get a different one if the plethora of junk annoys them. Any e-mail address list could be removed from the server as well which should solve the problem. Of course, I know next to nothing about computers so I could be wrong.

The recently posted tale involving Crabgrass is definite proof of the long-term residual effects of LSD on the brain. Just say "No!" kids!! And don't leave any lying around where your dog can get to it!


Entered at Wed Jun 12 21:02:52 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-163.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.163)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

was thinking, just put it in the middle of the running text, like viney at mailbox.co.uk. I doubt that the crawlers are equipped to pick it up. I did get a nasty shock last week, when I got junk mail offering to snoop on other people (Net Detective) and attached to it was a message to me it had intercepted (and which never arrived normally). It was from someone in a big company and research showed they’d hi-jacked it at the sender’s end, not mine. But scary! In fact with our junk mail Nigerian kings, presidents, bishops and princesses in mind today, I watched England v Nigeria in a fairly “anti-“ frame of mind. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the Nigerians could easily have won a fair play award – no diving, no dirty tackles, only one minute added for stoppages. A pity these people are burdened with these fellow-countrymen parasites offering to share looted money on the net.

Ozzie would actually say, ‘Oh, no, Sharon! The f***ing dog’s shat on the f***ing carpet again! Sharon!’


Entered at Wed Jun 12 20:51:14 CEST 2002 from (169.200.133.38)

Posted by:

Bones

I have a UK question for the GB (Peter Viney?)...there is a Bobby Charles UK cd that has four extra tracks on it (plus it's been remastered), what are the tracks? Is it worth trading in my old copy?

I, too, am a little tired of picking up these magazines with great articles about The Last Waltz but Ozzy and his family are on every cover. As Ozzy would say, what the &%$@&%#!!


Entered at Wed Jun 12 18:52:36 CEST 2002 from du235-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.235)

Posted by:

Ilkka's Dog

Location: Pink-painted doghouse
Web: My link

Subject: Crabgrass

There were three girls and a jolly three too. The first was a sweet sixteen, the second had a pierced navel and the third was a belly-dancer. "Faith is the key!" said the first beauty. "No, the God is the key!" said the second. "You're both wrong, " said the third, "the key is CRABGRASS!"

It was late in the evening and ILKKA THE HERMIT was sweeping up, preparing the meat and dishing himself out when there came a knock upon the door. "Who is it?" Ilkka The Hermit shouted angry and frightened. "It's us, and we'd like to have a word with you!". Ilkka The Hermit opened the door suspiciously and BRITNEY SPEARS, NIKKI LOVE and SHAKIRA crawled in.

"What seems to be the problem?" Ilkka turned back to the three girls who were ashtonished. BRITNEY cleared her throat. Her lips were wet as her t-shirt but nevertheless, she begann to speak in the most meaningful way. "Ilkka," she begann, "CRABGRASS has sent new messages to the Band web site. These messages of course feature none but his own strange thoughts and we understand that you are the key." "That's right," said Ilkka, "I am." "Well then," said NIKKI in a bit of excitement, "could you please open it for us?" Ilkka, whom all this time had been reclining with his eyes closed, suddenly opened them both up as wide as a tiger... moaned and punched his fist through the plate glass window.

- - -

"Oh mighty thing," said Meadowlark to Ilkka, "why didn't you tell them that you are a moderate man and leave it at that?" "Patience," said Ilkka. Patron Norbert who was cleaning an axe, climbed to his feet, walked over to Meadowlark's husband and placed his hand on his shoulder, "You didn't hurt your hand, did you?" "No, I don't think so."
(My link is only my Master's humble vCard.)


Entered at Wed Jun 12 18:36:02 CEST 2002 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: Good song criteria

One that sounds like they sing it like they mean it, and they made it because they wanted to, not because they thought you would buy it...


Entered at Wed Jun 12 18:15:18 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond, where it is 96 degrees (again)

Subject: Good songs and heat

Hot as heck on Lon Gisland? C'mon down! Anyhow, my top criteria for a good song: 1) good tune 2) intelligent, originial, sometimes penetrating lyrics devoid of trite cliche's and overused analogies. 3) good production qualities that rely on performance rather than technology. 4) good vocals which need not be perfect, but rather evoke the imagery of the song 5) talented musicians who interact with each other 6)magic. The style or genre does not matter to me. It could be rock, country, blues, pop, folk, or a polka. If it has the above qualities or just some of them, I will at least give it a chance.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 18:04:37 CEST 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Too many GPs

The Gram Parker in my last post was supposed to be Gram Parsons, although I suppose Graham Parker is not a terrible example either. I was thinking about why so many peope who go on about the excellences of Gram Parson and the Allman Bros. don't have much to say about the Band.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 17:58:26 CEST 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Posted by:

Susan

Sam, of course you'll get ten different answers when you ask 'What is a good song?' The variety of answers is the interesting part. Talking with others about why they like what they like isn't a quest for a final answer; it's an exploration. I'm sometimes frustrated by people who won't or can't go beyond 'I just like it', or, in the case of the Band or Van Morrison 'I don't like it.' Ultimately musical taste is very personal, and depends on a lifetime of experience, and genetics, for all I know. Some of this is not really accessible to anyone, but it can be fun to explore the more accessible bits, and to look for common threads in what you like and dislike. Doing this with someone else is another little window into personality. I like to analyze things - it's part of my nature - and I like to gently prod others into undertaking a little analysis of their own taste. I get to know them a little better, and presumably they get to know me. It's not intended to be deprecating, or a put-down of someone with inferior taste.

I do a certain amount of proselytizing for my musical favorites; making compilation cds to introduce my family and friends to music they may not have considered has become a frequent activity, but I'm not going to nag them about it if they don't get around to playing the music or talking about it, although if they mention it I'll prod them a littel for commment.

I am interesting in just why the Band is so often ignored in the musical press, and why people who listen to Gram Parker don't care for the Band. There are undoubtedly many reasons, and I like to try to tease them out.

adairh at uiuc.edu Let's see if the spam bots find this, although I don't know why I bother; my address is already out there. I even got a bit of mail offering to sell me thousands of valid addressses, probably including mine.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 17:54:01 CEST 2002 from citrix4.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.6)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: I am Venting my Frustration!!

Is anyone else sick and tired of the new Ozbourne craze??? I watched the Jubilee Concert and Sharon Ozbourne was the host and all she could talk about was pissing her pants and acting like Ozzy was the star of the show... Mtv has the Ozbournes and you see how there family acts.. spoiled rotten brats for kids... Ozzy is pretty funny... now his daughter I see is singing a Modonna song... OZZY WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU???? you used to be a rocker and now your caught up in the cheezy MTV scene!!

that sums up what music is like now.. last night I was flicking around the channells and Fox has this show called The Next Hollywood Star or something stupid.. the only singin that was done was that queer teen pop crap...

It is sad performers like Jim Croce, James Taylor, Johnathan Edwards, Bob Dylan, Harry Chapin, Jackson Browne, Van Morrison, Richie Havens etc... performers who write meaningful stuff would never of gotten a chance if they were up and commers in the 1990's into the 2000... it is the same with groups like The Band..it is all about lame crap not real substance and thats sad... real sad.

I need a Remedy and Sackets Harbor is just what the doctor ordered... can't wait!!


Entered at Wed Jun 12 17:10:52 CEST 2002 from pool-129-44-59-72.ny325.east.verizon.net (129.44.59.72)

Posted by:

RICHARD W. HONOSKI

Location: HUNTINGTON,NY


Entered at Wed Jun 12 17:02:05 CEST 2002 from spider-tr034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.189)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

What is a good song? Ask ten different people and you'll get lots of different answers - and they'll all be right. There simply isn't one answer.

Lil - how's it going up there in the sticks? It's hot as heck here on "the Island". Thanks for the idea about putting the e-mail address in the post itself. I've actually never saved the e-addresses of the folks in here. I just clicked right on the address link in the post to respond to them. So I'm stuck if I want to e-mail.

It's become standard practice for me to just wipe out half of my e-mails everyday that are the same ones you're all getting I suppose. Actually, today I got a strange one. There was an e-mail from a "George Benson" that was asking for assistance. The e-mail I got though was a forwarded response (an amusing one at that) from one of you GB'ers. I opened it only because I recongnised the e-mail address as someone fron the GB even though I'm not sure exactly who it is. I don't want to post the address just in case the person dosen't want it posted.



Entered at Wed Jun 12 15:48:21 CEST 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Father's Day / The Today Show / TLW

This week on the Today show they have been featuring gifts for Dad's. This morning as they cut to commercial you see two dad's watching a DVD of The Last Waltz. Cool.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 14:09:16 CEST 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Susan and being in the musical minority

Susan, I agree. Between the Band and Tull I have to fight that battle on TWO fronts, but it makes it more satisfying to me in the end. I prefer not to follow the crowd. Since we are in a musical minority, perhaps there should be some affirmative action on the radio that says top 40 radio MUST play at least 1 good song an hour, even only if 5 listeners or less are familiar with it!


Entered at Wed Jun 12 13:38:47 CEST 2002 from (209.88.242.164)

Posted by:

luke

Location: canada

Subject: urgent

is cool and nice


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: e-mail addresses

Sam: (hi!) Why not just put your e-mail address somewhere in the body of the mail like this: d_lil at hotmail.com. I'm pretty sure that when spammers are looking for addresses.. they're picking up the links. I doubt anyone in Nigeria is going to read every post to copy down addresses on a piece of paper or something. I know it's a bit more annoying to have to type in the address..instead of just clicking on it... but if you really want to mail someone.. at least the address is there.

I may be wrong about this.. but since it seems that everyone in Nigeria already has my address, I had nothing to lose.

Have a good day everyone.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 05:20:52 CEST 2002 from 1cust96.tnt2.fredericksburg2.va.da.uu.net (63.36.7.96)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Al Kooper (Again)

I guess it is already last month's issue, but I just bought the June issue of GOLDMINE magazine with Al Kooper on the cover. The feature about Kooper includes a good interview with the man and some photos including one of an early Dylan session.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 04:48:53 CEST 2002 from spider-wo031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.31)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I think it would be awfully big-headed of someone to look down on -or try to figure out why - a person dosen't like a certain music that you do. It's because we're all humans with different likes, opinions, etc. If someone likes a tune just because it makes them dance, then that's the greatest music in the world to them - so, good for them. The fact that there is something for everyone's taste is what makes music so fantastic. Music is everywhere. It just has different levels of importance for everyone.

For me - music is my drug.

I just tried to post my e-mail with the "at" and it wouldn't work.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 04:17:44 CEST 2002 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Rick

I'm a day late here, and have just read Brian Taylor's 1996 radio interview with Rick Danko in the Recent Updates section. Man, what a nice, genuine read that was. That Rick, what a helluva sweet guy.


Entered at Wed Jun 12 03:47:02 CEST 2002 from sdn-ap-003ilchicp0508.dialsprint.net (63.184.145.254)

Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Donald Joseph brings up a point of interest about what goes on in the heads of those who ignore our favorites. I can't imagine it, but I must confess I'd be hard-pressed to explain just why I like the Band so much. I'm well used to having minority music taste. On a recent long road trip with friends we loaded a 10-cd changer. I put in Love and Theft, the Brown Album and The Healing Game. Somehow the driver, who controlled the volume, managed to turn the player down while these were playing, with the excuse that she needed to concentrate in getting around Indianapolis, but I notice that the volume went up to audible levels later.

A couple of people I've questioned are frightened off by the country influences. At least one guy, a guitar player, likes more guitar and guitar flash than Robbie tends to provide. One of my brothers says it puts him to sleep. This from the guy who drove me wild when we still lived in the same house by singing some lugubrious song with the lines " When people look at me they say "Ho-raw, ho-raw, is that your horse?"

On further speculation I'm come up with the theory that it's the grown-up nature of the songs that fails to connect with so many people. There's no pelvis-thrusting aggression that draws out the adolescent males, and little personal anguish for the listener to identify with, so that immediate emotional connection is not made./n I've also noticed that many of the posters here are able to use a musical vocabulary to good effect. It may be that the Band has more appeal to those with a little musical training and a developed ear. As I listen and consider what I hear I know that some of the appeal for me is the rhythmic complexity; I can't count the beats but I can feel them, shifting and sliding and making me tap on the table.

Peter, I think, had the good idea of using at in our addresses to foil the spam bots and still permit personal exchanges. Unfortunately the software insists that and address without the at symbol is improper.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 21:45:34 CEST 2002 from wireless-cl02-163.halden.net (195.70.189.163)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Lovely Denmark

Off to visit our Danish brothers for a couple of days. The whole (friendly, strange, little and flat as a pancake) country is going bananas at the moment after their (well-deserved) soccer World Cup success... any Band fans in Aalborg ready for a night on the infamous Jomfru (Virgin) Ane Street tomorrow or on Thursday? (and what has this got to do with The Band?)


Entered at Tue Jun 11 21:09:43 CEST 2002 from dhcp5883.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.83)

Posted by:

Derf Knuf

Location: The lake

Subject: Sackets

For all that might be interested, June 15th, Sackets Harbor...... The Doctor Rides Again!


Entered at Tue Jun 11 20:50:02 CEST 2002 from ncasse02.telenet-ops.be (213.224.83.46)

Posted by:

kay maartense

Location: belgium

Subject: 60's rule

hey everybody i really think the sixties rule so, so do u guys.your version of the weight is the best of them all. btw:do u know cheech and chong?if u do what do u think about them(i think they are so cool like u guys see ya men peace from belguim


Entered at Tue Jun 11 20:45:13 CEST 2002 from ncroes03.telenet-ops.be (213.224.83.182)

Posted by:

florian tomballe

Location: belgium

Subject: tamas nyirkos

hi again ,i've got another question for tamas nyirkos .Are you a member of "theband" ? and can i have your e-mail; so i don't have to say everything by the guestbook .ps : thanks 4 the titles of the songs i'll search them all.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 20:11:41 CEST 2002 from (169.200.133.38)

Posted by:

Bones

Thanks, Dave Hopkins, for answering my post about the Counting Crows Richard Manuel tribute.

I heard that Robbie was in talks with Steven Speilberg regarding the music to Catch Me If You Can. Anybody know anything about this?


Entered at Tue Jun 11 18:33:33 CEST 2002 from ppp103.a1-2.56k.execulink.com (209.239.1.231)

Posted by:

paul godfrey

Location: L O N D O N
Web: My link

Subject: Bluesfest London July 14 - Garth Day

Bill, are you coming to Bluesfest this summer? If you can't reach me by email....just put an 'r' infront of my old address. shineonpaulg


Entered at Tue Jun 11 17:57:56 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

It was interesting to see Toronto guitarist Kevin Breit mentioned (by David Powell). I saw him play a festival here at Harbourfront last summer. If it was the R&B festival it must've been the same afternoon as Colin Linden with Richard Bell.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 17:18:27 CEST 2002 from spider-mtc-tb032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.32)

Posted by:

Lee

Folks still talking about knighthoods and such... Is anyone interested in what will be on The Band box set? Email Rhino Records for details.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 17:16:16 CEST 2002 from l98uppx1.hewitt.com (4.17.250.5)

Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Location: Illinois
Web: My link

Subject: "Illinois Entertainer" articulately spell out anti-TLW position

The "Illinois Entertainer" is a music monthly rag distributed for free in the Chicago area. Above is a link (http://www.illinoisentertainer.com/2002/June/DVD_Zone2444.shtml) to an article in its current issue reviewing the TLW CD.

This is a negative review, but I, for one, find it very instructive. Let's face it -- we're a pretty small cult, those of us who see The Band as the greatest-ever band. And even though many critics pay lip service to TLW as the greatest rock film ever, the movie is pretty much ignored by mainstream pop culture. I've always wondered why, and this "Ill. Ent." article fairly articulately spells out what goes on in the heads of the legions of people for whom The Band means little.

I guess this is similar to the Jim DeRogatis pieces we posted a couple of months back, but somehow, for me, this "Ill. Ent." piece gives me even clearer insight into the unwashed heathens deaf to the genius that is The Band.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 16:37:01 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Cassandra Wilson / "The Weight"

There's an interesting story behind Cassandra Wilson's cover of "The Weight" on her recent album, "Belly of the Sun". Most of the album was recorded on location at an abandoned rail station in Clarksdale, Mississippi, utilizing some Heider mobile recording equipment that had apparently been used years ago at The Last Waltz.

Last weekend, NPR radio did a segment on the album for the "Weekend Edition -- Sunday" program. Interviewer Lynn Neary asked Ms. Wilson about what made her decide to record a version of "The Weight". Ms. Wilson related that she hadn't planned ahead of time to do a cover. At the beginning of the sessions, one of the engineers, who was familiar with the history of the mobile equipment, mentioned to her that she was "about to sing through the same circuitry that Levon Helm used for The Last Waltz". As she recalled, the mention of Levon's name immediately made her think of the song "The Weight" and she began singing it because it was "the natural thing to do". Her lead guitarist, Kevin Breit, suggested that it would be a good song for her to record and she evidently agreed.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 15:39:26 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

I finally got around to reading the London Free Press article on Garth Hudson. Wow. Far down the list of interesting things, but still news to me, was the fact that Maud Hudson has sung with Mary Margaret O'Hara, one of the true gems of the Toronto club scene of the '70s and '80s (and whose one album is considered among the classics in the UK, of all places). Otherwise, it was great to see the other Capers acknowledged by name, finally, and to learn a bit about their repertoire.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 12:53:59 CEST 2002 from (195.82.121.100)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Ozzie

Being an avid reader of the gutter press, I noted that after the Jubilee concert, it was reported that Camilla Parker-Bowles spent most of the time with Ozzie, taking him round and introducing this pleasantly-bemused hero of fly-on-the-wall documentaries to all her friends. Don't know about a knighthood, sounds like a beheading might be on the cards. The Queen gave Ozzie a beatific smile too. I suppose that as two people who spend their lives surrounded by ill-disciplined snappy canines and the resultant mess, and who both have dysfunctional children, they have a lot in common. Ozzie's second career is certainly an unexpected direction.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 12:01:50 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Good One Peter

This being a Band related site, The Knight they Drove ole Dixie Down


Entered at Tue Jun 11 10:41:39 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-054.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.54)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Sir Ozzie

No, didn't Knight Rider have a weekly TV series? Today's tabloids have gone to town writing "knightly" versions of Rolling Stones lyrics (Let's All Be Knights Together etc).


Entered at Tue Jun 11 10:38:24 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-054.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.54)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: off site communication

A question. We tend not to be able to reply “off the GB” anymore except to people we already know, because we no longer put e-mail addresses because of crap (14 Nigerians this morning plus about ten other bits of junk). If we wanted to post an e-mail address on the site, could we not do it like this ‘smith at junkmail.com’ relying on the fact that the automatic crawlers and snoopers don’t read anything, they just search for the ‘@’ sign and that we all know that ‘at’ is replacing the @ sign? I bet a load of rubbish addressed to ‘the@sign’ will soon be wafting around the ether looking for the server!


Entered at Tue Jun 11 10:04:46 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Sir Garth!!!

We"d be fixin the screen door..fixin the reel to reel.. hittin our thumb with the hammer.. its a lifestyle we grew to like......


Entered at Tue Jun 11 09:18:11 CEST 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

Sir Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Good Knight

Could Ozzie be Knighted?? wouldnt it in fact be the first Knight to ever have a weekly t.v seris?....I dont know about his charitable work but I have to believe its as good as Sir Micks......


Entered at Tue Jun 11 08:31:48 CEST 2002 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (24.61.243.158)

Posted by:

long distance operator

Subject: cocaine, pills, and hash

The reason I alway loved the Cocaine, Pills, & Hash pseudonym for Crosby, Stills, & Nash is that the drugs match perfectly with each artist, respectively!


Entered at Tue Jun 11 07:37:27 CEST 2002 from spider-ti051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.196)

Posted by:

Jenette

Subject: Whoopsie!!

Hey Everyone,

When I said the Robbie interview is tomorrow, I meant Tuesday, June 11! Sorry for any confusion!!

Take Care

Jenette


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Posted by:

Jenette

Subject: Robbie Interview

Hey to all!!

For all of you Chicago based Band fans, WXRT is broadcasting an interview with Robbie tomorrow. When I called for info, they told me the time would be around 2:00 P.M. or 2:30 P.M.

Take Care,

Jenette


Entered at Tue Jun 11 05:10:44 CEST 2002 from roc-66-66-184-69.rochester.rr.com (66.66.184.69)

Posted by:

Pepote Rouge

Location: NY

Subject: Richard CD

All I can say is I played Whispering Pines front to back.. and from the opening Before I Grow To Old to the tired funny Tears of Rage that ends the set there is nothing but quality heartfelt vocals and touching soulful music. Miss Otis Regrets makes this disk a must have. Danko cheering Richard on and joining in at times throughout the show is a joy to hear.I was too young to enjoy a performance of this quality,I'm so happy that Richard's family has let this music be heard! When you hear the clarity of this CD the true heart and tone of Richards voice comes through like I've never heard. Great....This release is a Must have 4 stars!The title says it all wait till you hear the version on this cd.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 04:17:22 CEST 2002 from spider-mtc-tb084.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.59)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: DJ's Lofty Perch

The entire condescension trip is turned one hundred and eighty degrees when the attempt to support it is so shoddily prepared.

Really Joseph, a Renaissance man like yourself caught without your abacus?

For shame.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 03:33:13 CEST 2002 from 0-1pool239-79.nas18.new-york2.ny.us.da.qwest.net (65.144.239.79)

Posted by:

Maryelbone

Got a pleasant surprise today. I went to Robbie's signing at J&R Music on May 10th and today I got a call from J&R Music telling me that I had won a framed autographed poster of the Last Waltz. This poster is so huge that I don't have any empty wall to put it on, except in the bathroom. hmm!!! Anyway, it was a nice way to start the day.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 02:22:25 CEST 2002 from as3-1-3.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.193.181)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: Crows' Manuel tribute

In response to Bones's question: yes, the new Counting Crows album, "Hard Candy" (scheduled release July 9th in the US) will include the band's tribute to Richard Manuel, slightly retitled as "If I Could Give All My Love (Richard Manuel Is Dead)." I'd imagine the Band will win a few new fans from the Crows' audience thanks to the song.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 01:31:56 CEST 2002 from spider-wc043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.38)

Posted by:

Lee

Subject: A Different Shade of Red

Forget about knighthoods people and get your ears around the new Louisiana Red Cd The Woodstock Sessions. Been grooving to it for a week now. Exemplary.


Entered at Tue Jun 11 00:51:09 CEST 2002 from host-209-214-119-75.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.119.75)

Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Location: Banned from the GB

Has anyone heard of a new punk group called the Banned? I read about them somewhere recently, Billboard maybe. Not a bad name for a punk group, but it was bad enough never having people know who we were talking about when we said "The Band," now they're going to think we're talking about some punk rock band. I wonder if this is something Robbie could/would sue to have changed.

The new Los Lobos is very excellent.


Entered at Mon Jun 10 23:20:56 CEST 2002 from dialup-67.25.134.120.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.25.134.120)

Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: Band Fans

This Sat., at Sacket's Harbor, New York,,,,,Jim Weider Band and Levon Helm Blues Band on the same venue!!! Only 118 hours but who is countin!!!!! Remedy is released, and a must for the collection! Hope to see some GB er's there, along with former Road Warriors(Now JWB Banditos')!!!


Entered at Mon Jun 10 23:18:34 CEST 2002 from spider-wb033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.163)

Posted by:

Harry & Mim (you know the dance)

Location: Bucks County, PA USA Earth

Subject: Knighthood?????

Knighthood???????? You think members of "The Band" even considered this, even as a joke? (Yeah, I know 4/5s of them were Canadian...)

Come on, folks - "knighthood" (as it has become in the last 50 years or so) basically results from how many pounds a person has "put" into the Inland Revenue.

The English also tend to be a little fussy over giving knighthoods to folks who come from British Commonwealth countries but, after finding out from their accountants that they are contributing maybe 90 PERCENT of their gross income to the British government, have decided to move/become citizens of other countries as "moneyed tax exiles."

The Rolling Stones (most of 'em, anyway) did this over thirty years ago... hence, knighthood may be a pipe dream for them, at best.

Now, what Band album was that song about knighthood on, anyway???


Entered at Mon Jun 10 23:17:47 CEST 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Posted by:

Ragtime P.S.

P.S. Re Band connexxion:

Instead of a knighthood the queen should award Mick Jagger with one of these Garth Hudson t-shirts...


Entered at Mon Jun 10 23:14:36 CEST 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Posted by:

Ragtime

The odd one out was Sir Freddy Laker, of course. What on earth did the man do to deserve his knighthood, apart from going broke after running a dodgy airline?

And I agree with Susan who said that knighted artists who once used to fight the establishment are a bit ridiculous.

And like her, as a non-British citizen, the total lack of irony in the way knights are referred to as "Sir Paul" and "Sir Cliff" always makes me laugh.

Have there ever been "knightables" refusing this "honour"? That's what "Sir Mick" should do...

Sorry, lost the Band connexxion for a while...


Entered at Mon Jun 10 23:07:41 CEST 2002 from cs242228-7.houston.rr.com (24.242.228.7)

Posted by:

Laura Lorfing

Location: Houston

Subject: Mick and the boys

Hank: liked your post on Mr. Jagger. I'm a huge Stones fan myself. Exile on Main Street is always in my CD player. Next to Beggars Banquet I think it's their best work. I'm ready to see the Glimmers Twins and I have my tickets for the January show here in Houston. Much excited about that! Can't believe they are out on the road again. I have had many around me tease me about this tour. They are being dubbed "The Strolling Bones" by some of my anti-Stones friends, but in my book they still ROCK. Now I am going to listen to "Sweet Virginia". PEACE ALL! :)


Entered at Mon Jun 10 22:44:40 CEST 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bessie Smith

Still cherish my vinyl and CD versions of Happy & Artie Traum doing "Bessie Smith."


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Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: Thang you, for yer sweet and bitter fruits

Fair dues to Mick Jagger, I say.......

What a great performer, songwriter, record producer and father to all his children.......

Jagger is a modern-day Pan.....and the British establishment love all that pagan imagery stuff.....

I'm surprised 'e did'nt get it sooner, mate

Jagger and The Rolling Stones, in all their incarnations, almost singlehandedly turned The USA onto the music of The Deep South and I bet you everyone of the Band admired and respected The Stones for that.......

......... and Jagger predicted his own knighthood:

"Yes Yes...You Will Be Mine........."

"I Will Be Your KNIGHT in Shining Armour........Coming to Your Emotional Rescue"

I can just imagine what John Lennon would say about all this knighthood business........

'Right enuff, la.....before ya go to palace......you REALLY got to scrap the shit right off yer shoes!"

Actually, none of these guys woulda got a Knighthood if Lennon had lived........he woulda led 'em all astray sometime in the '80ies......towards disgraceful but interesting behaviour....and to be honest, I doubt if Harrison would have accepted the honour.

Oh well.....off to me regular Monday night gig in Charlies here in Cork.......I'll play "Twilight" first


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Whispering Pines

I am most interested in a "review" of Richard's "Whispering Pines".

Would one of our esteemed GBers, having given it a good listen, offer their comments?

I noticed another post earlier today asking for the number to order. It is 1-888-414-1468


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: forms of address

This can get really complicated. I just realized that I don't call my doctor anything, to avoid making a choice, and when I'm asked her name when I make an appointment I say Antonsen, not Dr. Antonsen. I did not realize I was so anti-title. I mistrust anyone who calls me Mrs on the phone, immediatly suspecting them of trying to sell me something. And I was shocked the last time I was called Ma'm. I've always thought of sir and ma'm as a southern thing and a rural thing. I don't use them, even when sometimes it would be handy to have a polite word to use when calling after someone I don't know. I'm sure the sir habit comes in handy. I can remember getting lost in the state capital after a band gig in the 70s where the guy driving used his southern sirring instincts to good effect with the policeman who suspected us being up to no good, driving around the central city in a van at 2:30 in the morning.


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Posted by:

Bones

Norah Jones doing a cover of "Bessie Smith" sounds really intersting. I wonder if she's a fan, or did one of her handlers (I hate that term by the way) bring her the tune.

The new Counting Crows cd is coming out next month. Is the "Richard Manuel" song going to be on it I hope?

Thanks to Andy R for his post and involvement on the Whispering Pines cd...you've made a lot of people happy.


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: sirring

And DJs never call anyone Mister. That's one of the places where informality is taken to an extreme - almost everyone is called by their first name. So the use of 'Sir Paul' is an example of that toadyism (wonderful word) that Peter mentioned. Some Americans are worried about using foreign titles, and err on the side of too much; others won't use them at all.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Forms of address are an odd topic – they’ve generated plenty of traffic today for starters! ‘Mr McCartney’ is wrong, because ‘Mr’ is a formal title, as is ‘Sir’ and you can have one or the other but not both. Bill got it right- ‘Sir’ has no constitutional position, i.e. no right to sit in the House of Lords, so is an honour not a peerage, which means foreigners can have the honour. On medical doctors, Bill is also right that one normally feels the need to ‘suck up’ to them especially when they put on a plastic glove, but here they all seem to be making a big deal out of using their first names, and seem to prefer ‘John’ to ‘Dr Smith’. When confronted with impending personal physical contact of this nature, my instinct is to preserve a definitely formal relationship. ‘Dr Smith’ inspecting you is quite bad enough. I certainly don’t want ‘John’ doing it. I’d rather be clear that this is not a friendly situation! The controversy a few years ago was that male doctors were ‘Dr Smith’ while female doctors were ‘Dr Jane Smith’. Female doctors objected, and now you get Dr John Smith and Dr Jane Smith. This is an interesting area for me professionally, and I’ve noted before that British bank managers and lawyers now choose to introduce themselves by their first names. I may be wrong but I sense this isn’t true in the USA. There’s always an assumption that the British are more formal with titles, and they probably were in the 50s, but most recent stuff on communication skills indicate that they’re now less formal. Even today, when upgrading my cell phone for one a third of the size, the 18 year old youth taking the details said ‘OK, Peter, we can do that …’ I always feel in the USA that I hear ‘Mr …’ far more often than here, let alone ‘sir’ (as in ‘How may I help you, sir?’) which only remains here in a few snobby department stores in central London.


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Posted by:

Boye

Subject: DVD TLW Europe

Hello Bandfans. Can anyone give me info. on how to get the DVD version of TLW in Norway. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Bill

I don't understand why "Mr McCartney" would be wrong. You can call a doctor Mr or Ms (though it's advisable to suck up to one's own doctor - particularly at those delicate times). Mister can properly be applied to any male adult, and my guess is that his paulship still counts as both.

As for Canadians accepting titles, I believe that we can to a point. British knighthoods and French knighthoods are fine because such titles are constitutionally meaningless, but British lordships (and female equivalents) and "higher" aren't because such people have lawmaking power in other countries. We actually used this as an excuse to get rid of Conrad Blank, a former flaming Canadian asshole, just last year. So it can come in handy.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: scrapingly deferential stuff

I believe Americans and Canadians (and any other nationality - note that Geldorf is Irish) can be knighted, which is in the Queen's gift, but they can't use the title 'Sir …' to impress table captains and hotel desk clerks unless they are actively resident in the UK, which won't exclude Mr Jagger, who is non-resident but has a passport. . I'm sure Reagan (as well as the Mayor of New York) has the honour.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: "Knighthood"

I tell you what sounds a little odd to me. All these "rock stars" being knighted in the first place! I always thought Rock and Roll music was "Fight The Establishment" and all that "Rebel Yell" Bullshit! Yeah, now we hear how the Queen gets all mushy lookin' when she sees Elton John! That in itself sounds odder than anything else! I think it's time for another Punk Invasion! That should put her back in her sitting room ! Everybody's gettin'so damned old! WAKE UP! Oh Nevermind!


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Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Subject: 2 corrections

2 corrections to my last post: The "thank you for answering" was meant for Andy R, and of course we Americans were shooting Redcoats 225 -- not "125" [sic] -- years ago. Apologies to any fans of late nineteenth century Amrican history.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Prior Post

BTW I am not anti-Bush. Just stating the facts as some of us up here see them.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Knights, Sucking up, Tony Blair and George Bush

I don't think Blair should be knighted either. If he does something in the future that brings about some colossal change in Great Britain, maybe.

On another political subject, I speak for many Canadians when I say we have never felt so nonexistant with Bush as President. Every President since I was a kid seems to have had a really tight relationship with the folks to the north. Mulroney and Reagan for example were great chums. Can't believe I said that........oh well. I think George growing up so close to Mexico feels more of a kinship to them than us. Even Lyndon Johnson from Texas was friendlier. In a recent poll taken over 70% of Canadians feel a little uneasy with old George in charge, in regards to his feelings; or lack of, towards us. Hope he warms up to us.


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Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Location: Chicago

Subject: Various

Mike D: Thanks so much for answering! Appreciated!

Viney: Garcia Marquez, Nobelist & one of my fave living authors (whom I've read in the original Spanish) is indeed tops. But I don't see him as a music critic; indeed, unlike Dylan (apropos of Jewel), Garcia Marquez isn't even a musician. Hence his opinions on music mean as little to me as his favorite foods, movies, or sexual positions: Who cares?

Diamond Lil: As I read your post, you say Blair deserves a knighthood because he's a friend/ally of the U.S. Huh? Knighthood is a British concept, so friendship to the U.S. isn't any more relevant than friendship to France or Thailand: Just because a U.K. prime minister shows loyalty to France or Thailand doesn't mean he deserves to be knighted -- so why do you presume that friendship to the U.S. should be any different? Hell, we damn Yankees slaughtered plenty of Brits in our day! (Albeit 125 years ago.) And does an American president who sucks up to the Brits therefore deserve the Congressional Medal of Honor? I don't follow your logic at all on that one: Brits have their own country, they're not defined in America's image any more than we're defined in theirs.

Mike D: I don't know why you asked if I know about the Seigal/Schwall Band, but since you asked, I do have a story: Years ago I had a blues radio show on a Chicago college radio station. One day before my show I was in the local record store checking out what's new, when a guy walked in asking the store to hang a poster for an upcoming Corky Seigal solo concert. I asked the guy about the gig, and told him I'd be happy to mention it on my show, which I was about to do in the next half hour. He said "You're doing a radio show in half an hour? Let's go. Corky's in the truck." Turned out he had a pickup parked outside with Corky in it; Corky came up to my show & I interviewed him for over an hour. The tape exists somewhere. I've always liked Corky solo, and I have some of his albums and seen him live a lot, years ago. I have the Alligator Siegal/Schwall reunion album, but otherwise I don't know a lot about Corky's work with Jim Schwall. Corky still gigs around Chicago; as I bet you know, his current incarnation is "chamber blues," with a classical string section.


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Posted by:

John D

From what I gather I do believe you must be a resident or former resident of Great Britain (includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) to be Knighted. An American or Canadian; or those of other countries cannot be Knighted. I believe the former mayor of New York got some other sort of other title.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: SAFFIRE vs. The "Divas"

Butch: I'm sorry I wasn't there to see Saffire (the Uppity Blues Women) playing on the same stage as Levon and meeting him. They are a local band down here in my neck of Old Virginny and I have seen them several times. I wouldn't trade one of their fine CDs for the entire body of work by every Tori Amos clone/MTV prima dona/phony flavor of the week that the mega record company marketing departments shove at us every year.

Saffire's lead singer, Gaye Adegbalola, was a public school teacher for years before embarking on here musical career. In fact, she was once Virginia's Teacher of the Year. She suffered so she can sing the blues with conviction. Saffire is not everyone's cup of tea, though. They can be rude and raunchy but always REAL--none of that plastic crap that the boob tube trys to tell us is music. I'd love to see them play with Levon down here in Old Virginny...


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Subject: Knights

Sir Rag Time

Sir,

Pettyness!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Sirring

Susan – it is odd, and the process is hard to defend (unless you get offered one.) The DJ is right though, as it is a form of address, in that once he becomes ‘Sir Paul McCartney’ then ‘Mr McCartney’ is actively wrong (Sir McCartney is worse), so the interviewer has a choice between informality (Paul) or formality (Sir Paul). As many Americans would use ‘Mr McCartney’ until invited to do otherwise, ‘Sir Paul’ is the direct equivalent. By calling him ‘Sir Paul’ you’re expressing no more deference than you would by saying ‘Mr McCartney’. When he’s been on TV with presenters who already know him, ‘Paul’ should be normal, and in that case ‘Sir Paul’ is an affectation (or toadying even!) What actually happens on British chat shows is that they inevitably spend the first three minutes making a joke about using the title, which must get insufferably boring. One reason I stopped being vegetarian 20 years ago was that I found that every single meal when travelling on business was spent discussing vegetarianism and I got bored with the topic.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Street Knighting Man

"Hey! Think the time is right for a palace revolution
But where I live the game to play is compromise solution...

Hey! Said my name is called disturbance
I'll shout and scream, I'll kill the king, I'll rail at all his servants.
Well, what can a poor boy do
'Cept to sing in a rock 'n roll band
Cause in sleepy London town
There's just no place for a street fighting man

No! No! No!"

Rail on Sir Jagger.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Titles and Knighthood

If I'm not mistaken, it is constitutionally forbidden for Americans to accept foreign titles. Perhaps honorary ones are considered an exception. Personally, I would never accept one unless it were from the order of Knights Who Say 'Neep!'.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Norah Jones

Ms. Jones is here in Toronto doing promo and a concert. Only one CD and the Diva won't talk to radio. Just TV and the dailies. One record company source agreed with me that if this is the way she is after one album..........wait until she's Diana Krall status. Too Bad. Just a great talent to have such a swelled head already.


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Posted by:

Johnny Flippo

Location: Western Pennsyltucky

Subject: Norah Jones

Last night, Norah Jones played to what she called "the largest crowd we've ever seen" right here at the Three Rivers Arts Festival. She performed a very focused, dynamic set, closing with, of all things, a very touching rendition of "Bessie Smith". I thought it to be a very interesting cover; at least it wasn't another version of The Weight.

If she comes your way, don't miss out.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: still rockin

well,, our new poster, jon, said it all,,,,,, a " clinic of groove",,, our boy, 62 yrs young, is still pumping out the hottest blues ANYWHERE !!!!!!!!!!!!

it was The Barn Burners quartet,, no frills no guests,, just down home dirty blues,,,

chris had the " Levon " crowd eating out of his hand ( harp ? )as he led that band down a SCORCHING path !

the womyn form SAFFIRE - uppity Blues womyn,, were before us,, & those womyn were rockin,,, as they signed cd's they had to stand,, cause the B.B.'s had them cookin,,,,, ann, their scorching piano player hung w/levon & wants to play some shows with the Barn Burners,, cool,,,,,,

but here,, @ a local blues festival in PA,, near the home of the Little League World Series,,, our guyz kicked tush,,,,,,, it was an open air show ,, no frills,, & the BEST folks anywhere,, old hippie fans, young kids with drummers questions, for the boss,,,,,,

guitar freaques with a million questions for pat,& the fellas stayed till after dark & grooved with eveyone else,,,

after a dinner ( them not me ) of collard greens, corn bread, friiiiiiiied chicken, etc, i had the sweet potato pie,,,

like jon said,, a very GROOVE-filled evening,,,,,,,


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Posted by:

Susan

Location: rural midwest

Subject: knights

This whole knighthood thing seems odd to me, an American descended from a lot of Irish, English, Danish and German rebels against the social order. I suppose it's an honor, but why collect that sort of honor when you are already rich and successful - what purpose does it serve? It seems similar to those people who go around collecting honrary degrees. My workplace suffered under a director who like that sort of thing, and spent more time soliciting them for his vita than in doing actual work. What really gets me are the Americans who insist on using the titles as a form of address. 'Sir Paul' from a DJ, and without a hint of irony.


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Posted by:

Sir Rag Time

Sir Malcolm Arnold, Sir Arnold Bax, Sir John Barbirolli, Sir Adrian Boult, Sir Colin Davis, Sir Edward Elgar, Sir John Gielgud, Sir Eugene Goossens, Sir Mick Jagger, Sir Freddy Laker, Sir Charles Mackerras, Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Lawrence Olivier, Sir Simon Rattle, Sir Cliff Richard, Sir Malcolm Sargent:

1. Name the charity they are involved in.

2. Point out when and where they showed knightly behaviour = chivalry towards the ladies / the poor / the deprived.

3. Name the odd one out.


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Posted by:

Bill

Following up on my post last week about Jackie Washington's version of "Miss Otis Regrets", I checked the liner notes to the record it appears on, "Blues and Sentimental" (1976) and found that it was engineered by Bob and Dan Lanois at their Grange Studio in Hamilton. Another Band connection.

As for knighthood, while agreed with the sentiments expressed, it seems that me that a few of you just haven't been paying attention. While it may be true that most of the beknighted rockers/poppers have had to do something charitable in addition to being successful careerwise, there must be dozens and dozens of total Sir Jerks running around with titles granted on the basis of political friendships, favours and party fundraising activities.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Once A Knight

I think there are about three groups deciding on honours – first an honours committee, then the Queen’s personal choice and then the Prime Minister’s personal choice, and according to Philip Norman, Jagger is in the last category. I think Jenny’s right about history. In the past, knighthoods have been awarded for things like large donations to the ruling political party, and certain civil servants (government officials) got them as a matter of course. In recent years, there has been a return to the concept of some sort of noble act or act for the public good, and Tony Blair instituted a system where members of the public could make suggestions (which was positive). Normally Prime Ministers get offered a peerage (Lord …) when they leave office, though some have declined as Sir Winston Churchill did, and as did Edward Heath (once they’re a peer they’re out of the House of Commons, so can’t be MPs anymore). In this case, I think it’s a bad move to honour someone who has chosen to live outside the UK for most of his adult life(which sadly probably disqualifies the Canadians in The Band too who haven’t lived in Canada for even longer!) But looking on the bright side, if you can get it for being a brilliant musician, maybe Robbie and Garth are back with a chance!


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Re: Knighthood

Peter: I agree with Jenny, and always thought Knighthood was awarded for some heroic deed, unselfish act, or at the very least.. a kindness. I'm not sure I understand where simply being 'rich and famous' enters into that. If I'm understanding your post correctly (and please tell me if I'm not).. you said that Tony Blair is one of the people who 'selected' Mick Jagger for knighthood? That's a bit ironic to me, since if I had to pick anyone from your country who is deserving of something like that right now, I'd pick Tony Blair..who since Sept 11th has really been a calming, level-headed ally to all of us in the States. Go figure, hm?

Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Knighthood

Peter V: I completely agree about Jagger. There has to be some knightly service rendered to earn the title. I don't know about real life, but at least in medieval literature nobody ever got knighted for being talented, rich and famous. You had to do something noble, usually risking your life in the process. It's too bad politics enters into it, though I guess to some extent it probably has throughout history.


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Posted by:

JON IN PA

Subject: BACK FROM BILLTOWN BLUESFEST

Just wanted to mention that the Levon Helm Blues Band held a clinic of groove in Hughesville Pa. yesterday. Thanks to Butch [It's me] for your hospitality, it was great to meet you. Levon, Chris, Pat, and Jeff were in the pocket and the place did not expect what they recieved. Levon signed our books and hung with us for a little while, most gracious. My first time chiming in, thanks and hello all.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: A Knight's Tale

Rolling Stones biographer, Philip Norman, describes the plan to knight Mick Jagger as ‘disgusting’ and Mr Norman gives reasoned arguments. He dismisses sex out of hand, as this didn’t hinder Sir Elton, and dismisses drugs which didn’t hinder Sir Paul, but argues cogently that Jagger does not deserve a knighthood because he has no history whatsoever of “good works”. It’s an old –fashioned honour with echoes of Ghormenghast, but it can and should be used to mark unusual effort and worth.

Elton and Paul have donated millions to various charities and good works, with Paul setting up the school for performing arts in Liverpool as well making huge donations to good causes. Sir Cliff Richard has devoted much of his life to youth charities albeit of the “Come to the mission, won’t you come to the mission, Come for a free cup of tea and a bun” variety. Sir Bob Geldorf did Live-Aid. Jagger, renowned for his stinginess, does not qualify. Further to which, Elton, Paul, Cliff and Bob live in Britain and have loyally paid their taxes. 40% now. 60% twenty years ago. Up to 98% in the mid-60s Beatles’ heyday. In itself, that’s a huge contribution to others. Jagger not only has remained in tax exile since about 1970, but a couple of years ago cancelled a tour for which 300,000 Britons had bought tickets because it would have taken him over the permitted number of days in the UK, making him liable to UK tax for the first time in 30 years. So Norman argues, it’s an appalling travesty to award him a knighthood. You don’t get a knighthood for being famous, or a great rock singer and composer (both of which he certainly is). It is supposed to mark a contribution to the common good. He says Jagger spent a great deal of time schmoozing Tony Blair and Prince Charles to get this unjustified honour, which was part of Tony Blair’s personal choice of recipients.The greatest travesty was that it was never awarded to George Harrison, in spite of his loyal tax-paying, charitable donations and his almost single-handed revival of the British film industry. Supposedly this was because he funded the Natural Law Party during an election, something which Tony Blair and his spin doctors would never forgive. A knighthood is probably worthless anyway, but once Jagger gets it just for being famous, it is totally without value. What next? Robbie Williams? The Spice Girls?


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: It's Hard to Stump This Group!

Dave Hopkins--you got the answer to my trivia question in record time. I guess I shouldn't have put that clue in there at the end. This group is damn good. I think we should get a team together for ROCK'N'ROLL JEOPARDY...we'd clean up.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Nice interviews with Garth and Rick... and I can't wait for my Remedy CD to arrive... I'm still lovin' this Shakey biography too... a great read although I'm finding that some of the things trashed by the author and others... had and still have a personal value in mine eyes... I heard cymbelly things today... which I followed while listening to Saga... off Sea... bye...


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Mich Jagger to be Knighted by Queen

What about Sir Keith?


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Jack Wingate

Serge: thank you very much for all the information you sent me on Jack Wingate. Garth's open letter to Jack that was quoted in the paper and at the memorial was truly touching.


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Posted by:

Paulie Walnuts

Location: New York

Subject: Danko

I read the Danko interview, just really nice and sweet , just like the man, miss him so much, so glad to have his and Richards music. That will never change.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Shakira & Spice

Jenny – I’d have to concede the possibility that a man of … shall we say …more mature years could be persuaded by the physical presence of Shakira that her abilities were of a high order. As they probably are. As to the Spice Girls, Simon Napier-Bell in “Black Vinyl, White Powder” attributes their success to the “It could have been me factor” and singing ability would necessarily distract from this. But in the circumstances, patriotism forces me to defend any member of the Beckham family.


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Posted by:

Luke W.

Susan, thank you very much for the ordering information.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Zeppelin

Also Led Zeppelin has the odd ability to cheer me up. I f I am really worried about the state of the planet or whatever, cranking up some Led Zeppelin somehow helps me feel a little better. It is what I reach for in a dark hour. Maybe because it's good to hear a powerful sound when you feel tired and ineffectual. Is that a word?


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Zeppelin and Shakira

Well Led Zeppelin could go overboard with the fanciful lyrics once in a while, but jeez they made some great music. My favorites are When the Levee Breaks, Dancing Days, The Ocean, Ramble On, D'yer Mak'er, Misty Mountain Hop and Houses of the Holy. I liked them when I was young even though the most scary and sinister guys in my school liked them, and I still like them. (Although I still can't stand Yes partly because they remind me of those creepy PCP dealing guys. Though maybe it's just Yes.)

Shakira CAN sing which is more than you can say for the Spice Girls. I think Marquez is to Shakira as Dylan is to Jewel. I think both are cases where too much blood went south and not enough got to the brain. Same reason I think Ben Affleck should get an Academy Award just for breathing.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Web: My link

Here's a link to the London newspaper article on Garth. Highly recommended.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Gotta be Bruce Hornsby...


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Viginny

Subject: "Six Degrees" Trivia Time Again...

Since someone mentioned Robbie in the same breath as Stephen Stills and Don Henley the other day, it struck me that there is at least one artist who has recorded and performed in concert with all three. He has also written songs with Robbie and Henley. I think that narrows it down...


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Posted by:

Denny Snyder

Location: Williamsport

Subject: Howdy

Long time fan. Never saw the "Band" live. Heading for the Billtown Blues festival, to see Levon.


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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: RainCity

Subject: Rick's interview

That Brian Taylor interview of Rick is really sweet.

Why do we always have to lose our sweet guys? Little interviews like that just make us miss them all the more but if that's all we got that's all we got.

Thanks ..


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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: L O N D O N Canada
Web: My link

Subject: Jack Wingate - Garth

Yep...the Garth interview by James Reaney of the London Free Press can be linked at: lfpress.com. Look in the TODAY section.

BTW I was very touched by the wonderful outpouring of memories and music yesterday at the London Press Club where Jack Wingate had been a long standing member and he was certainly well remembered by those assembled for a Memorial Service. I brought along Levon's book and all who read the paragraph on pg 235 had a grin and remarked that it was so much like Jack to share the scotch with Garth & the Band.

It was also very nice for reporter James Reaney to take the time to drop by Jack's celebration.

So last evening I sat out back and hoisted a long shot of Glenfiddich in memory of Jack. I wish I had known him better. Thank you Serge.


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Crabby, great pictures of the Jim Weider Band (and Sid McGinnis). Brian, thanks for the Rick Danko interview. A moment in time.


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Posted by:

Lil Again

Location: The Twilight Zone

Ok.. so this is eerie. I was sitting here feeling so good after reading that interview.. that I just read it again.. only to realize that there was only one "aah" in the whole thing. I guess all it took was one for me to remember Rick saying that.. and my memory was actually 'hearing' more as I kept reading. Still nice though, and still smiling :-)


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Interview by Brian Taylor

What a nice transcipt of the phone interview Brian Taylor had with Rick (in today's "What's New"). He mentioned something about being a "dumb college kid" at the time of the interview..but he captured something in there that touched me and made me smile. That ol, softspoken Danko "Aah..." that he often said before he answered a question. Funny how reading that one little word throughout the interview could almost make me hear his voice... Aah...

Have a good day everyone.


Entered at Sun Jun 9 03:23:16 CEST 2002 from i249-009.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.249.9)

Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: Thanks Peter Viney

Thanks for identifying all those artists so quickly! Am I right in believing that Van's father was a blues "nut" and a strong influence on him in that regard?

The gremlin living in my puter becoming even more concerning this morning.........


Entered at Sun Jun 9 00:36:51 CEST 2002 from zorg252.revealed.net (208.243.237.252)

Posted by:

Mike

Subject: Richard box set/Charlie

Charlie, buddy! You are sure wanting a lot! But I'm with ya on the idea! A Richard Manuel box set would be a treasure trove. I'd like to have a cd of studio material from 84/85, a disc of gems from the 68-76 era, and hell...whatever exists in strong sonic quality. Atleast you didn't say a "Smile" box set...God, every BB fan wants to see that. But two bootleg sets cover that better than anything official could now. I'm all for Richard, still my favorite Band vocalist,. Second to that glorious noise when Levon, Rick and Richard all blend together, like during the chorus of "The Weight". Here's to a box set.

Mike


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Posted by:

MIKEY LENAHAN

Location: Clinton,NJ

Subject: REMEDY/ THE JIM WEIDER BAND

ALL RIGHT JIM !!!!! Congrat's on the NEW cd. I know this is going to be a hit. I am sure all of your hard work will pay off. I hope to be the first one to buy this HOT cd. You guys are the BEST. Hope to see you soon. Peace*


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Viginny

Subject: I'm Gonna Move to Japan...

Andy: thanks for the scoop on the Getaway tapes and the story of how a Japanese company came to release Richard Manuel's first solo recording all these years after his death. Maybe we can hold out hope that Japan will bring us a set of session recordings comparable to the Beach Boys' PET SOUNDS SESSIONS box set. Unless, of course, Capitol would like to do it themselves (c'mon, Capitol, you have teased us with those bonus tracks on the reissues--we want to hear it ALL!).


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Posted by:

Jakke

Location: Espoo, Finland

Subject: Wigwam

Thank you Kalervo and Ilkka for your writes about Wigwam. I do agree. This new album called "Titans Wheel" really sounds good. And there's a lot of influences with The Band. So it makes worth to listen this album for all you The Band fans! I'll buy very soon The Last Waltz DVD-edition. What's going on in Winterland nowadays?


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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: REMEDY/JIM WEIDER BAND

Congrat's,,BIG TIME,,to the JIM WEIDER BAND re. the release of the new Cd, REMEDY!! I know you,,Rando,,and the posse really put a great effort into it!!! Let's hope all the GB er's get it!!! Super, Super sound!! See ya at Sackets Harbor!


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Posted by:

florian tomballe

Location: belgium

Subject: crazy chester

Who is crazy old chester is he a friend or a familymember or did you guys just made him up? Anyway thank you so much for responding me .If you ever do a concert in belgium ( Europe) please let me know .All my love to those nice years (60') not that i've seen them or been there cause i'm way to young but that doesn'y matter it's only the feeling that's right with 60's music .(i would be most honored if you would send me an e-mail back.thank you


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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: L O N D O N Canada
Web: My link

Subject: GARTH HUDSON

Check your tomorrows London Free Press. This announcement was front page today, Saturday:

It's been 40 years since Garth Hudson left London, writes Today columnist James Reaney but the former keyboard player for the Band has never lost his love for the city of his youth.

Try this website tomorrow, Sunday June 9, 2002

www.lfpress.com

off to Jack Wingates memorial service this afternoon. See Levon's book page 235 shineonpaulg


Entered at Sat Jun 8 18:52:06 CEST 2002 from ac86b9d0.ipt.aol.com (172.134.185.208)

Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadalphia

Subject: Tapes to CDs

Donald Joseph: The way the Richard CD came about...me, having lived in Woodstock from 1969 through 1994, and being a sound person/studio owner..having a vast archive documenting all of the artists I've had the pleasure of working with over those years. I happened to be able to document a lot of great music during a wonderful, productive time in Woodstock, and, wanting to share this great music with people in a totally legal (read: non-bootleg) manner, spoke with a couple dear friends who had a past history of getting some great Woodstock artists' albums commercially released. First in Japan, and then world-wide. They did all the negotiations, dealing with the various people and estate representatives, and were able to make it happen.

It has always been my desire to see a "Richard Manuel" album released, and soon after Richard passed, I went through all the tapes of Richard with The Band and Richard with Rick, Butterfield, Garth,Levon, and various combinations thereof, to pick the best performances with the best quality for use in assembling a Richard Manuel album. We then went up to Bearsville, myself, Garth, Rick, Levon and John Simon, and bounced the best performances up to 24-track. Then Garth took over, overdubbing, with Rick and Levon, various drum and bass and keyboard parts and much else. Sally Grossman donated the studio time, but as time passed, nothing was seeming to be able to be done with those versions as far as an official album release. That is the way it happened. I contacted my friends, copies of the masters were sent to Dreamsville Records in Japan, they liked what they heard, cleaned it up, transferred it to digital, returned the tapes to me and voila....the "Whispering Pines" CD. However most of the credit should go to my two Woodstock friends, who persevered through many months of negotiations, and complicated estate dealings to bring this to fruition.

So now we have an "official" Richard Manuel CD for all to enjoy.


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Posted by:

John D

Let's all remember what John Lennon called Peter, Paul and Mary.

Pizza, Pooh and Magpie.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Planes Trains and Autos

Steve M. : Wheres your Hand?.. Candy: Inbetween these two pillows!! Steve M. : Thoses arnt pillows..........


Entered at Sat Jun 8 16:02:59 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-082.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.82)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Down the Road sleeve

Nancy- it’s bigger in the magazine ads and in-store posters. I also think every artist has been referenced in lyrics or covered by Van somewhere, and it’s most carefully arranged. From top left in rows:

Louis Armstrong (plays Fats Waller), Blind Lemon Jefferson, Leadbelly (I heard Leadbelly & Blind Lemon on the street where I live …) , Chet Baker (who he did “Send in the clowns” with). Then Hank Williams, Carl Perkins, B.B. King, James Brown (twice), Then Ray Charles (Genius Hits the Road- in that 1970 article he says he listens to this all the time), Ray Charles (Recipe for Soul), Jelly Roll Morton, Sonny Terry, Louis Prima. Then Louis Armstrong, Big Bill Broonzy, Leadbelly (again), John Lee Hooker, Then Lightning Hopkins, Joe Turner. ??? but I think it’s Sam Cooke (Sam Cooke’s on the radio …), Jelly Roll Morton (again), Jack Kerouac (spoken voice – ‘Kerouac’s Dharma Bums and On the Road …’), Ray Charles, Big Bill Broonzy (again but half concealed), Then Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee, Mose Allison, Muddy Waters, Mahalia Jackson.

Through the door on the rack you can see Sam Cooke(again), Taj Mahal, Lenny Bruce, Carl Perkins (again), Sammy (someone)??, Jimmy Witherspoon (I think) and one I don’t recognize – the letters in the title run to *** ** **** ***** if anyone can guess- the art style looks like “On the Corner”. It’s hard to see the back wall (which may not have been specially arranged) but there’s definitely a Jim Reeves album there. On the CD single (which has racks of singles in card sleeves) you can’t see the title, but it’s “EMI 5105- Produced by Christopher Neil”! Doesn’t it strike you that Band members might not have chosen very differently? Will now go and iron and press my anorak before going out.


Entered at Sat Jun 8 14:56:18 CEST 2002 from bob13.revealed.net (208.16.227.16)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Richard cd.../Donald Joseph

I forget who had it but someone posted a number to call to order the "Whispering Pines" cd. I sure would appreciate that number.

To Donald Joseph...Hey, you're from Chicago right? Are you familiar with the band Siegel Schwall? I know that at one time Sam Lay was handling the drum chores. The group is from Chicago, and I figured you might know of them. I doubt most others here do. Band related? Possibly but I doubt it.

Mike


Entered at Sat Jun 8 14:33:29 CEST 2002 from i249-009.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.249.9)

Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: Down The Road

I'm also enjoying Van's new album, even though I haven't had enough listens yet to say if I should rave hysterically about it. As you all know, hysterical raving is influenced by personal taste, anyway. Many people here are completely nuts about "Love and Theft", and yet if it wasn't for one song, "Mississippi", I could happily pass my copy of the album onto a good home where it'd be loved more!

For me a few of the songs on "Down The Road" stood out straight away: I find "Hey Mr DJ" kinda funky and "The Beauty of The Days Gone By" slightly heartrending, and his version of "Georgia On My Mind" could never be described as boring IMO.

I have a question for Peters Viney and Brown, as I know they have a copy the album (and anyone else who does too): the cover is a picture of a shop front with albums in the window - there seem to be about 26 of them - how many of the artists can you identify?? I noticed a few Ray Charles, a James Brown, a Muddy Waters, Chet Baker, BB King....... not only is this a test of knowledge, but a test of failing eyesight too!

BTW if this message looks strange in any way when it hits the GB, its because there's a cyber grrrrremlin in my puter tonight.


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Posted by:

Joe

Location: The Kitchen

I think Hash & Eggs sounds better. With hash first


Entered at Sat Jun 8 12:49:56 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-061.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.61)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: CSN

They were always known as Crosby, Pills & Hash in my memory over here. I think it sounds best with 'Crosby …' first.


Entered at Sat Jun 8 12:47:18 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-061.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.61)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Shakira, Led Zeppelin, Woodstock 69

Things you read with coffee on a Saturday. First, Gabriel Garcia Marquez testifying to the sublime poetic and musical genius of … Shakira. Magical realism or patriotism? Or maybe he’s right. I’ve never paid any attention thinking she was a kind of Colombian Spice Girl with sub-teen appeal. Not according to Marquez! BTW, what happened to Nikki Love? Was the record ever released?

Then the latest “Uncut” features Led Zeppelin. The story starts out with someone contacting Atlantic Records to interview John Paul Jones. Well, Atlantic had no idea where he was, or how to get hold of him. As Jones says later, you can add “who he was” to the list. Led Zeppelin still hold the record as Atlantic’s biggest selling artists ever. I’m not a Zeppelin fan, as it happens, though I appreciate how good they all are/were as musicians, but this is so symptomatic of the attitude of so many of these companies.

In the same issue they advertise “Woodstock Diaries” featuring 3 hours of unreleased footage, 31 tracks from 26 artists. This might be an extended DVD update of “Woodstock: The Lost Performance” which features one Band track only, T’The Weight’? The 25th Anniversary four CD box set adds ‘Long Black Veil’ and ‘Loving You is Sweeter than ever’. But if there are 31 tracks and 26 artists, more than one apiece seems unlikely.


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Subject: Wispering Pines & Remedy

I am very lucky to have a friend in Japan, who was visiting D.C. this week. He brought me copies of the two Dreamsville CD's and reported that in the Shibuya Tower Records [in Japan, of course], stacks of these two CD's are prominently displayed at the check-out counter. Wow, mass popularity - ain't it something!


Entered at Sat Jun 8 00:41:54 CEST 2002 from zorg196.revealed.net (208.243.237.196)

Posted by:

Mike D.

I am enjoying the thread about Van and Richard doing an album of Ray Charles stuff...too bad that'll never happen!! :(

Lil, I love that scene too!!! I think of that entire night in the car while travelling at night on the interstate! Only John Candy could drive between 2 semis and find it funny! Gotta love that movie!

Peace. Mike


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Crosby, Stills, and Nash

It's fun to refer to them as Cocaine, Pills, and Hash. Try it sometime!


Entered at Fri Jun 7 22:44:03 CEST 2002 from stcatherines-ppp109127.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.58)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: 1,2,3,4...

R.I.P. Dee Dee


Entered at Fri Jun 7 22:34:48 CEST 2002 from (64.80.240.13)

Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: "Mess Around"

Bob Wigo: Yes!! That scene where John Candy is beating on the dashboard to "Mess Around" in 'Planes, Trains, and Automobiles' is great! It's probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie. In fact, the movie itself is probably one of my favorite comedies. I loved seeing Steve Martin playing straight-man to Candy's lunacy....and they couldn't have picked a better tune for that scene than "Mess Around". I may even put the video on tonight now just to laugh :-)

Have a good night everyone.


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Posted by:

Amanda


Web: My link

Subject: Joy/Hank/DeeDee/Van

Joy: Thanks for the photos. I enjoyed Larry with Little Feat too.

I received two wonderful CDs by Hank Wedel...An Open Kitchen On Princes Street and the latest, Taking It In. I always had a feeling that Hank was a gifted songwriter...just by his writings on the GB...I am so impressed! Thanks Hank! I was out on my porch yesterday listening to the CDs...just over the gate is a extremely popular fresh-air farmstand (see link). Approximately one hundred locals and/or tourists were kicking back, buying peaches and enjoying wafts of Hank Wedel and Open Kitchen, carried by the summer breeze. My porch is usually only reserved for Band music, but Hank fit right in...must be all the good karma that surrounds him.

I am a punker at heart so I was sad to hear of Dee Dee Ramone's death. I have a former boyfriend that played for a Dallas band called The Daylights. They opened for The Ramones twice in the late 80s...once at The Longhorn Ballroom, then at The Arcadia...two of the wildest nights of my life.

I recall that there was a song from Irish Heartbeat playing as they were scattering the ashes of John F. Kennedy, Jr and Caroline Bessette Kennedy. The song was beautiful. Does anyone know which one it was?


Entered at Fri Jun 7 20:27:53 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Shakey

Please forgive me, but I can't help but ask if an ass in the hand is worth more than a gram in the nose? I guess it all depends on the quality.

After reading the Neil Young "Shakey" bio, all I can say is I now have more respect for Graham Nash. He's worked with three "difficult" personalities, Steve Stills, David Crosby & Neil Young -- that surely deserves some special recognition from the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame.


Entered at Fri Jun 7 20:08:10 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

If only Neil Y had used the left-hand on left-cheek (or was it right on right?) feint one more time, maybe we'd have seen Joni slug Neil D in the chops!


Entered at Fri Jun 7 19:51:10 CEST 2002 from l4duppx2.hewitt.com (63.73.213.5)

Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Location: Chicago

Subject: My favorite subject: Neil's hand on Joni's ass

Viney: Thanks for "backing" me up with your "end run" agreeing that Neil Young does indeed paw Joni's rear during "I Shall Be Released." You identified, quite articulately, the two times in the song where the deed is done. I've never understood how anyone can MISS seeing this. Perhaps doubters have assumed the shot was caught by that camera on the track in back of the stage -- and that it shows a close-up of Neil's fingernails disappearing into Joni's crack. No, people, TLW is not a porn flick. You only see the deed done from the front -- but you see it twice, and Neil's lecherous leer is caught on film, too. But it's the priceless look on Joni's face the second time that removes any doubt as to what is Neil is up to back there.

Maybe Neil's to thank for TLW's PG rating: MPAA Rated PG "for strong language regarding Italian crooners, graphic tips on shoplifting, and gratuitious butt-goosing."


Entered at Fri Jun 7 17:51:17 CEST 2002 from user-2inille.dialup.mindspring.com (165.121.86.174)

Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: Philly

Subject: Van & Richard

I knew Van a bit around the same time as the interview Peter Viney posted and heard him mention a few times that he wanted to do an album with Richard of Ray Charles songs. Too bad it never happened.

And by the way for once :-) I totally agree with Peter Viney. Van's new album "Down The Road" is easily his best album in ages and is definitely not the same old thing.


Entered at Fri Jun 7 17:39:29 CEST 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

I don't think my link connected but click on NYPress.com and check out the Taki Top Drawer column titled "European Beaureaucrooks".


Entered at Fri Jun 7 17:32:14 CEST 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Well I have finally aquired a DVD player and of course TLW is my first DVD. I must say I am very impressed with the sound and picture quality as well as the other special features like alternate audio commentary tracks, photo galleries, etc. Pretty cool technology these days.

For those not interested in Politics, don't click on my link but take a look if you want to read a very interesting column about the European Union and the United States.


Entered at Fri Jun 7 17:20:22 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: I Can't Stop Loving You

"I Can't Stop Loving You" was written by the great country singer/songwriter Don Gibson. Mr. Gibson wrote that song and another classic, "Oh Lonesome Me", in the same afternoon. In 1958, his version of "I Can't Stop Loving You" was the B-side of "Oh Lonesome Me". Neil Young included a cover of the latter song on his "After The Gold Rush" album. Another one of Mr. Gibson's great songs, "Sweet Dreams", became a hit for Patsy Cline.


Entered at Fri Jun 7 16:42:35 CEST 2002 from l98uppx1.hewitt.com (4.17.250.5)

Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Location: Chicago

Andy R.: It'd interest me, and I'm sure many others, if you'd pls. give us a bit of the background on how the Oct. '85 tapes made it onto a Japanese album. What's the whole tapes-to-Japanese CD story?


Entered at Fri Jun 7 16:35:41 CEST 2002 from oshst-146.olysteel.com (63.91.50.146)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Location: havertown, pa

Subject: Richard, Van, Ray Charles and John Candy

Lil, I couldn't agree more about wishing Richard would have recorded "I Can't Stop Loving You". I have always loved that tune and thoroughly enjoy Van's cover which is positively heart rending. It would have been wonderful to hear Richard sing "Mess Around" as well. Anyone remember John Candy playing the "keyboard" on his dashboard to that one in, if my memory serves me, "Planes,Trains and Automobiles" ?

Good to see "Irish Heartbeat", Van's collaboration with the Chieftains, mentioned here. It is a beautiful recording from start to finish. Highly recommended. Van's "A Night in San Francisco" is unquestionably one of the best live recordings I have had the pleasure to hear.

I wonder if Neil Young also "stopped short" on the drive back to the hotel that night.


Entered at Fri Jun 7 16:19:15 CEST 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Posted by:

Bill

Thanks to Andy R. for the info on the Richard taping. The great Jackie Washington of Hamilton, Ontario recorded a really nice version of "Miss Otis Regrets" some years ago. His much-younger brother, the late Bobby Washington, sang and played bass for years and years with Eugene Smith, who used to guest regularly with our guys when they were the Hawks. So it's all connected.

Thanks too to John D. for his kind words. As to Bashful Bill's (and others') interest in Sparrow and Steppenwolf, the LP with their earliest version of "The Pusher" was called "Early Steppenwolf". Aside from the psychedelia, the album also shows the sub-Hawks side of Sparrow. John Kay has certainly acknowledged their influence.

By the way, Jack London and the Sparrows' bassist - on their first couple of 45s at least - was Bruce Palmer, later of Buffalo Springfield. He was in essence traded to the Mynah Birds for Nick St Nicholas, and the rest is, as they say, histrionic. Speaking of the Mynah Birds, Neil Young went to Pickering High (as did my sister), another of John D.'s school's rivals. (I went to Dunbarton.)

Speaking of Buffalo Springfield: Hank, you mentioned Sir Walter Raleigh. Did you know that that was Dewey Martin's stage name when he did a bunch of Beatle-ish records in the early '60s? Sneaky Pete was his guitarist.

Russ Ballard also wrote "Liar", which was a hit the Three Dog Night.


Entered at Fri Jun 7 16:16:24 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-055.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.55)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: 5.1 sound mix on TLW, Joni's buttock

There are other sites for this … but yes, there is only one David Beckham! (Argentina 0 England 1)

Onto music. A week or so ago someone was talking about the TLW sound on the DVD. No one has mentioned this so far, but it’s a very different sort of 5.1 mix. Normally, you get ambience – the crowd behind and the stage “pulled forward” by the use of the back speakers so that you feel you’re sitting in the audience. In other words it’s not that far from stereo, and so a stereo patch-through will sound OK. However, the 5.1 mix of TLW places you right on the centre of the stage with the camera, and even then isn’t “realistic” in a concert sense. There is more information on the back speakers than is usual for a concert video, and it’s carefully placed. Robbie’s guitar on Caravan shifts round the system. Little touches of Garth’s organ waft across the back speakers. On I Shall be Released, Joni Mitchell is distinguishable as emerging from the back left speaker! It’s brilliant, and totally different to “Hell Freezes Over” or any concert video. This is a movie, not a filmed concert. I use THX back speakers, and most surround systems fall down on the rear speakers. I used to use old bookshelf hi-fi speakers as rears. The difference with quality dedicated rear speakers is huge. I haven’t tried it yet on my office work TV (which has its own speakers and ‘simulated’ surround, but will do so eventually). With a proper 5.1 amp, this is the most impressive DVD I have ever heard.

BTW, On the question of rears, Donald is correct about Neil Young’s butt-touching. Watch it at the start of 'Released'. Neil is standing on Joni’s left, but touches her right buttock, causing her to turn and glare at Neil Diamond who is on her right. An old trick. Later Neil must have done something else because he gets a very funny look from her.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: I can't stop loving you/Lawsuits

Peter: Although I don't know the answer to your question about whether or not Richard ever performed a cover of "I can't stop loving you".. it crosses my mind everytime I hear the tune by Ray Charles. Aah... that's one I would've given anything to hear Richard's voice do...

Since we were talking about lawsuits, I thought some of you would get a laugh out of the first paragraph of an article I found. Now this woman was _really_ having a bad hair day :-)

Woman Loses Case Over 'Bin Laden' Hairstyle Thu Jun 6, 9:16 AM ET HONG KONG (Reuters) - A Hong Kong woman lost her case for compensation against a hair salon which she claimed made her look like Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) when she wanted a hairstyle like Hollywood actress Julia Roberts.

Heheh.. have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Van / Richard collaboration cont.

I found it! Pity, it seems more of a specualtive / humorous conversation than anything.

1970 Jazz&Pop interview by Danny Goldberg From Jazz&Pop magazine, December 1970

Van: Me and Richard Manuel were thinking of making an album of Ray Charles songs.

Danny: Oh no you're not -- I heard you two talking about it and you were very big on it but he was just kind of scared.

Van: No, no. He was up for it. Maybe if we could just get the studio to come here. 16 tracks -- we could sit around here and work it out.

Danny: They've got mobile studios.

Van: Sure they do; A&R has got one they don't know what to do with.

Larry: But you wouldn't do What I Say on it.

Van: Yes, of course we would. That will be the single.

Danny: It will probably be a hit. Are you gonna record live?

Van: No, but I was thinking of recording here in Woodstock instead of in the city. But you need the right people, you know? At the board.



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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Neil-Van-Richard

Hank mentioned the “lame Helpless” remark. “Shakey” is better written than the average rock bio, and well constructed too. The thing that keeps irritating me is these little musical asides, like the Helpless one, that are throw aways, with no rationale or critical point at all. He seems prejudiced against any musician who isn’t Neil Young. Pity. Still, I’m enjoying the bio (slowly), just discounting his musical opinions.

Thanks Andy for clearing that up about the source- I’d assumed it was the December one too. The whole American dating system thing is a constant source of confusion – as I’ve noted before U.S. Visa forms use the International date order (Day-month-year), and as the rest of the world uses it there is a need for database standards. If you look through articles and notes you’ll see them veering wildly between the systems. I’ve got in the habit of not using abbreviated dates (though 6.6.02 wouldn’t cause problems!) but putting (e.g.) 10 Dec 1978. I’ve been waiting for one of the British importers like Spin or CDX to start advertising it. No luck yet, but they both sold the Garth and Rick albums on import.

Thanks for the Janet Planet link to the Van Morrison website yesterday – I peruse the Wavelength site, but not that one, and spent ages reading interviews. I can’t find the right one this morning, but the most tantalizing ancient one was Van mentioning he’d once planned an album of Ray Charles covers with Richard Manuel. Does anyone know more about that? Whenever Van covers Ray Charles I’m convinced he has Richard in mind. Nowadays, nearly every concert includes one out of ‘You don’t Know Me’, ‘I Can’t stop loving You’ or ‘Georgia On My Mind.’ A question for the original Hawks fans. Did Richard ever do “I Can’t Stop loving You”?

IRISH HEARTBEAT is the album with The Chieftains. And one of his best. The ultimate version of “Raglan road” (and I like every version of Raglan Road I’ve heard).


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Dee Dee Ramone, 1952--2002

Dee Dee Ramone, Rest in Peace...or not! Let's hope that wherever he is, he's shouting out "One, two, three, four," and providing that muscular, insistent, stripped down bass that helped make the Ramones so electrifying, especially for me as an alienated late 70s teenager. I liked the Band and the Ramones at the same age, same time, go figure, and still do, even though I don't listen to a lot of the music I liked back then. The Band and Ramones will always have staying power in my life.

The Hawks rocked like punks in '66 and pissed people off just as much. Also, I saw the Ramones at the Rainbow Music Hall in Denver, CO, two years before seeing the Band at the same place, two of the best shows ever. Hard to believe that the Ramones, the Beatles of punk, are down to two original members, like the Beatles.


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Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: Could u Find Me?

"You Breathe In, You Breathe Out, You Breathe In, You Breathe Out, You Breathe In, You Breathe Out and Ya...."

"Six Bell Chime" "

"Six Bell Chime"

Is it..... "Loves to Love the Love that Loves To Love the Love that Loves to Love........"

.....or What?........

Surprised to read a passage in The Neil Young Biog that "Helpless" was lame......... When he crosses the stage to sang with 'em.......it always makes my heart jump..........

"Editing The Rock Outta Neils Nostril.........Good Editing or Censorship....or both?"

Apparently, MS and RR did not want to edit it...........Was Elliot Roberts right to insist on it being edited? I put it to you, good folk of the GB.........

Just to add to the legal vibe in here.....I meant to write last night that....... when it comes to Lawsuits.....

How about this?........

Irish soldier vets sued the Army recently for damaged hearing......and won!....guns and bombs are loud, apparently, and they can do permanent damage to your hearing if you use them alot..........

Imagine that!.....

Florian Tomballe from Belgium asked us:

"Who's Fanny?"

I love this GB.........

Who Fanny is.......in another world....so far away.....in another time........so far away....in another place....Miss Fanny is Bessie's older sister ......

Actually, I guess Miss Fanny is the one who sends me...........

Regards, Everyone........

Yeah!..........


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Bonnie Raitt at Redrocks ,Co

Yo!-Just got back from Colorado after seeing Bonnie Raitt and John Cleary tearin it up at Redrocks. She didn't do "River of Tears" but she did do practically everything else , including a rare (for her performances) version of "Everbody's Cryin Mercy", followed up by a short dissertation on her thoughts concerning our current conflict. I won't get into the politcs of it , though she echoed the sentiments of one nutball in here:)! The girl hasn't lost a step, but has gained quite a few instead.


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Posted by:

Joy Munsey

Location: Virginia
Web: My link

Subject: Pictures

Here are some pictures taken last Saturday in Montgomery, New York where Levon performed.

http://members.cox.net/larrycampbell2000/photohh.htm


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Litigation/Pot Related Injuries

People are definitely way too sue-happy in this country, and I don't know how people can live with themselves when they see some frivolous opportunity to dig into deep pockets and take it. I think it is not the same in Europe.

But Lil I think you can get pot-related injuries, because breathing any kind of smoke that deep into your lungs ain't good for ya. There is at the very least a higher risk of bronchitis. Though it's not a scientific sample, my pothead high school boyfriend always had bronchitis. He had really good ab muscles just from coughing.

Plus I think heavy use does make people somewhat more stupid eventually, though it would be hard to sue for increased stupidity. I had a friend who quit anyway because she felt it was making her dumber. Anecdotal again but I think there may be hard evidence about decreased memory function. But then I'm the one looking for Van Morrison under V, so maybe having explored the mind-bending properties of beer in my youth didn't do me any good either. I think I will sue Jimmy's Woodlawn Tap in Chicago, especially since they served me underage when I forgot I wasn't 21 yet.


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Posted by:

JQ

Location: San Clemente

Subject: Van's Irish record

Jenny - Van did a record with the Chieftains which was all Irish trad. Lovely stuff. There was also a tribute record in the 80's that had tracks by Phil Coulter & Coney Island by Liam Neeson. In a few of his records there are particular tracks that are heavily based in Irish style, instruments, etc. Celtic Ray and Celtic Swing are obvious examples. Astral Weeks has Belfast references all through it.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Van's Irish Music

In spite of his original unwillingness to do Tura Lural Lural at TLW, didn't Van do an album of either traditional Irish music, or music of his own influenced by traditional Irish music? I had a friend who couldn't stop listening to it in the 80s so maybe it came out then. I was thinking my Irish father-in-law might like it.

The last time I bought a Van album I made a complete idiot out of myself by asking the clerk in what mysterious place they kept his stuff--I was looking under V. as if his name were Joe van Morrison. Duh.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Richard

The Getaway tape that has been circulating is a December 7, 1985 performance. As Andy demonstrates, this new one is from a couple of months earlier and differs somewhat substantially from the December performance, which was just Richard without any guests,


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Richard CD

Being the source from which the Richard CD was made, and being the soundperson and announcer at that gig and to clear any questions..I am listing the songs in the correct order as they were performed from the original master cassettes:

Saturday October 12, 1985:

1st show:1.Grow Too Old 2.Georgia 3.Instrumental 4.Across The Great Divide 5.You Don't Know Me 6.King Harvest 7.Unfaithful Servant 8.I Shall Be Released

2nd Show: 1.Shape I'm In 2.Instrumental 3.Miss Otis Regrets 4.The Rumor 5.Java Blues(w/Rick) 6.Crazy Mama(w/Rick) 7.She Knows 8.Hard Times 9.Chest Fever 10.Georgia 11.Across The Great Divide 12.Whispering Pines 13.Tears of Rage

Hope this clears things up for those who wanted to know.

Andybr67@aol.com


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Van the Man, Janet Planet & Richard Manuel

I'm listening to my old cassette copy of Richard Manuel at the Getaway Club in Saugerties, NY from 1985 and notice that most of the material seems to match the Japanese release listed on the HMV website. "The Rumor" turns up on my tape but not on the CD, while the song "Whispering Pines" itself is not on my cassette copy. There are a couple of other differences, but does anyone know if the new CD was culled from two sets or what? The old European-American date confusion seems to be at work also, as my cassette is labeled December 1985 while the CD claimed that it was recorded in October of the same year--unless these were actually from two entirely different gigs. Does anyone out there know?

I wonder if the name Janet Planet was a play on the Belfast Cowboy's (where the heck did that name come from, Richard himself?) nickname of Van the Man...


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Posted by:

John D

WHAT DO STEPPENWOLF AND THE BAND HAVE IN COMMON?

Here's a quote about one of their early instruments. "The group's big Hammond B-3 organ sound also had lowly origins, Kay revealed. It was actually a little Lowery home organ--so low-end that it didn't even have the rhythm feature of most home organs." So I guess not only Garth played the Lowery.

The Sparrow began in Oshawa Ontario, my home town about 35 miles east of Toronto. They were known as Jack London and The Sparrows. They had long hair and Jack (whose real name was Dave who has spent his life as a realtor in Oshawa) was British and had the accent to make this group a Liverpool knock off. Jerry and Dennis Edmonton (later known as Mars Bonfire) went to Mclaughlan Collegiate which was a rival school to mine which was O.C.V.I. Later the Sparrow would move to Toronto. Play in the village and meet John Kay. Jerry and Dennis's real last name was McCrohan. Their father ran a dance hall on Lake Ontario called The Jubillee Pavillion, better known as "The Jube." When Steppenwolf released their first single, "Sookie Sookie" Owen (their father) gave me a copy. I took it back to my radio station (CKFH in Toronto) and we began to play it. Rival CHUM radio........a real powerhouse found out that I had got the record from Mr. McCrohan. The Program Director called him and told him that if he didn't give CHUM the single first next time they would never play Steppenwolf. Owen told them to go to hell. I sure miss that old man. Jerry is dead now sadly; but brother Dennis lives on. His royalties alone from "Born To Be Wild" probably could keep him going for a long time.

Bill Munson who only posts as Bill now knows the Canadian Recording industry like the back of his hand and could tell you some facts.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Ballard

Anybody remember Russ Ballard? He was in Argent for awhile, and I remember he had a minor hit in the 80's with a song called "Voices". It was on MTV at the time... great song! He wrote some hits for other people, including Roger Daltrey's "Free Me"; Santana's "Winning"; Rainbow's "Since You've Been Gone"; and America's "You Can Do Magic". Nice career.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: 'ballard'

Just in case anyone thinks "bad translation" my copy is a British pressing!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Janet P / easy R

Kay- great minds post alike, I was about to post this when I read yours:

Janet Planet, Van's wife in the early 70s, is I assume, the lady photographed repeatedly on Tupelo Honey (on which she also sings). People had names like that once upon a time. They mostly changed them back. Anyway, she looks as sweet as Tupelo honey- an angel in the first degree.

Charlie- I think not being on a huge selling soundtrack was a bad move. While The Electric Prunes have dated, as have The Fraternity of Man ("Don't Bogart that Joint"), I suppose Jimi's excursion on "If 6 was 9" is fair enough. And "Born to be Wild". The attention record companies give to these historical artifacts is proved by MCA's listing of "BallARD (sic) of Easy Rider" on my copy.


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: Early Steppenwolf

A friend of mine went through a short Steppenwolf phase way back when, and he had a vinyl copy of a live gig they did in their early, pre-Steppenwolf days. My recollection is that they were called Sparrow, the show was from the Whiskey or some other wellknown LA club, and they did The Pusher on it. Anyone else recall that album?It wasn't a bootleg, he picked it up in a bargain bin somewhere. The same friend also had a vinyl bootleg of what Fleetwood Mac eventually released as Chicago 69, which I did a good job of wearing out for him.


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: JANET PLANET

No more questions about Janet. Just a link to the woman who inspired some of Van's best songs. When she left him(he was her 2nd marriage), she described him as a prickly pear. Their daughter was born in Woodstock.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

Subject: Janet Planet


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Crabby

Geez Crabby.......I ask one frigin' question and you are offended? With the stupid inane threads that have gone through this guest book in the past, one Janet Planet question ain't gonna kill you.


Entered at Thu Jun 6 19:57:27 CEST 2002 from nchobo03.telenet-ops.be (213.224.83.150)

Posted by:

florian tomballe

Location: belgium

Subject: the weight

whenever I listen to the weight it brings back real good memories .If you really read this you could make those memories perfect by just sending one little e-mail to florian_primero@hotmail.com i'ld be most thankful .All my love the weight .ps:who's fanny?


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Steppenwolf Connection toThe Band...

Weird that the Steppenwolf song (actually written by Hoyt Axton) called "The Pusher" should come up here as I just listened to that in the car today. I bought a bargain-priced copy of the EASY RIDER soundtrack this week and that song is there, of course, along with the Smith version of "The Weight."

Speaking of EASY RIDER, has anyone else seen the Diet Pepsi commercial featuring clips of Peter Fonda on his bike from that film? To me that is the ultimate sellout of the 1960's counter culture, or what the comedy group Firesign Theater wisely called back then, the "over-the-counter culture." Fonda and his buddies made big bucks on their low budget flick, brilliantly marketing the whole hippie mythos. Not surprisingly, the movie was produced by the same guys who brought us the Monkees and their movie, HEAD. I have to give Albert Grossman credit for keeping The Band's version of "The Weight" off the soundtrack album, leaving their integrity intact and off of what now amounts to a collection of psychedelic relics, except a handful of tracks including the two Dylan-McGuinn songs that Roger sang so ably. I'm glad that McGuinn is still cool to this day, not having to be a whore for Diet Pepsi like Fonda. Of course, it was rumored that the Fonda and Hopper characters in EASY RIDER were actually inspired by McGuinn and David Crosby. It's never wise to confuse an actor with the role he played. I guess Fonda may have needed the cash...


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Posted by:

Kay

Location: NM

Subject: Janet Planet

Janet Planet was married to Van Morrison, and is the mother of at least one of his children. She is also the beautiful woman on the front, back and inside the Tupelo Honey record jacket.


Entered at Thu Jun 6 17:35:52 CEST 2002 from sempra3-4-ext.sempra.com (4.21.3.3)

Posted by:

Mike Dollins

Location: San Diego, CA USA
Web: My link

Subject: Blues Guitar

Keep on jammin' them blues, and visit our Bluesion web site, and newsletter.


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Posted by:

roz

Subject: Janet Who?

What the hell is a Janet Planet? My favorite Van Morrison album is Veedon Fleece.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Superfly

Lil- Actually, I wasn't thinking of Steppenwolf but the Curtis Mayfield soundtrack to "Superfly" (which is more insidious …)


Entered at Thu Jun 6 15:37:59 CEST 2002 from citrix4.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.6)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Richard Manuel "Whispering Pines"

I just ordered the Manuel CD and the guy on the phone when I told him what CD I wanted he said "thats been the most called about CD we have had the last few days!!" then he asked "who is Richard Manuel??" I explained to him about the Band etc... then he relized who Richard was and said that they can't remember when they have ever had this many calls about a CD and that everyone has been talking about this "Whispering Pines album" he even had the information written seperatly so he would be able to order the CD easier for himself!!

I think this goes to show people get these albums out and we will buy them!! what is that saying "build it and they will come!!!"

If Levon gets that Blues Band Album out and the copys will be sold so fast they will think Levon's apart of the Back Street Boys!!


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Posted by:

Lil Again

Subject: Steppenwolf!

Thanks very much to the person who just e-mailed me the answer to my question. You saved me from one of those days where it was going to drive me (more? :-) nuts until I figured it out.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: "Pusher Man"

Peter: I just read your post and noticed the term "Pusher Man". Now I'm wracking my brain about a tune I heard a very long time ago (I'm guessing perhaps the 70's). The only line I remember is "goddamn the pusher man". I somehow am connecting it in my memory with Pacino's film "Panic in Needle Park". Do you know the tune I'm thinking of.. or does my memory not serve me too well? Thanks.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: viney@mailbox.co.uk

Ben Turkel- I agree that Van, Dylan & Neil Young are the exceptions in continuing to produce year after year. Van has had several fallow patches, but deals with them by doing his tributes – there was the jazz album closely followed by the Mose Allison tribute, then recently the skiffle album closely followed by the Linda Gail Lewis album. They’re minor works between the good ones. “Down the Road” is laid-back, but is full of good stuff. Van is at his best with backing singers (like Andy on His Band & Street Choir- great album!). Brian Kennedy, whose solo stuff is also worthy, was an interesting contrast and can ‘sing like a bird.’ The new album uses female voices which is appropriate for soul singers. The single, ‘Hey Mr DJ’ combines strings, backing vocals and Hammond to sound like vintage early 60s Ray Charles. And give “Georgia” a listen too. And Kalervo, I don’t like Melancholia any more than you do. And on my in-car compilation my wife tends to push skip on “Days Like These” so she agrees with you, but it’s a track I love.

John D makes a good point about taxes and smoking. If the cigarette companies are the pusherman, then the governments happily trying to adjust anti-smoking legislation to balance the rising health budget with the huge tobacco revenues they desire are Mr Big in the white suit and white Rolls Royce. Too much Curtis Mayfield influence there. Anyway I agree that it’s a personal decision. My serious objection to tobacco companies are that they reduce nicotine levels in the West and print lots of warnings, while increasing nicotine levels strongly in Africa and Asia. There are accusations that 20 years ago they were selling high-nicotine cigarettes at a loss into Africa to get people hooked. As to Levon’s favourite brand mentioned by Butch. Try this. It was shown to me by someone who’d worked for Players. Take an average brand of cigarette, e.g. Benson & Hedges. Take a Marlboro. Then light both and put them side by side in an ashtray. That Marlboro burns down like a firework fuse because it has the extra chemicals to make it do so. It’ll beat most other cigarettes and burn up first. Then try with three – one made with Dutch rolling tobacco (e.g not more than 50% Virginia tobacco), then the medium sort of brand and the Marlboro. The roll-up will probably just go out, but if it does carry on, it’ll hardly have moved when the other two are finished. The message is that the additives in manufactured cigarettes vary widely and are noxious too. When all the fuss started in the 60s, I read that the mistake was focussing only on nicotine. Better was to have just one or two high-nicotine cigarettes a day instead of a pack or two of low-nicotine ones, ONLY IF you could keep it at a low enough level to avoid craving. I used to travel in Italy a lot. I was always surprised at smoking habits. You could be with people all day and be unaware that they smoked. Then after dinner, with coffee, they’d produce a cigarette pack, and smoke one or two. That was all for the day. Seemed a very civilized approach to me (but most things connected with Italy and mealtimes show the highest degree of civilization!). Maybe all things in moderation are OK. Nothing wrong with a burger (in non-BSE areas at least) once in a while. But if you start stuffing them in everyday – and then more than once a day, they’re harmful.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Janet Planet

Interesting "Janet Planet" thread. Gimme a break!!


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

They should have called it = "The Last Waltz....such a night".


Entered at Thu Jun 6 08:18:10 CEST 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Suomi

Subject: I am not feeling van-a-tic anymore

Peter: To my ears 'Healing Game' is one of those rare later years Van Morrison albums which are listenable...

I don' t usually have negative emotions towards music but Days Like This manages quite near. The title song is a steal from the Shirelles' hit (who sang about copycats etc??.) and it contains one of the most tedious songs ever: Melancholia..

Oh yes 'His Band and Street Choir' is to me the underrated classic, too. /n


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Shana Morrison

OK........just found a site that said in fact Janet Minto (Planet? was indeed her mother. I read a piece that said that Van had divored Planet..................yet I have read other accounts that she had left him and he really had a broken heart for a long time. Van fans can you help me?


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Shana Morrison

Dumb question for real Morrison fans; but is Shana Morrison's mother Janet Planet or someone later in Van's life? Nothing is said of her mother in the bios I've found. Thanks.

BTW Andy saw your credit on the Van CD. Still one of my favorites to this day. What a time that must have been to be in Woodstock during that period.


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz - again

Subject: after this I'll lurk again

Anybody heard the new(?) CD by David Johansen called "Shaker?" The "DJ and the Harry Smiths" CD was good enough to buy this one blind, but I thought I'd ask.


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Subject: Get Up Jake

Working late last night and watching Conan O'Brien once again. When being forever behind schedule, flailing, letting everyone down, and not putting out the best material gets to be the norm - something is definitely out of synch. Conan introduces a stand-up commedian named Jake something or another, and the house band plays a familiar tune that somehow gets through my caffeine-infused brain and stimulates something deep. Its "Get Up Jake!" I turn off the TV, get another cup of coffee, put on the headphones [so as not to wake up the little ones], crank it up, and crank out more material pounding the keyboard, this time in synch with the song. Somehow, it gets better.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: ever green stars

Ben Turkel, the likes of Neil Young, Van ,Bob Dylan and Eric Clapton (to name a few) have been churning out albums for years but the quality hasn't always been consistent. These people however are big enough names to keep the momentum going even when they are churning out crap. They are also motivated enough to keep recording and touring. I suspect that it may be easier for an individual to do this rather than a group where there are all sorts of ambitions and personalities that are going to get in the way.


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Van, smoke, Whispering Pines

I own almost all Van Morrison's entire output, but there are some albums I never play (Common One comes to mind) and for a while h seemed to alternate one good one with one boring one. My current favorites are 'No Guru, No Method, No Teacher" and "The Healing Game". The verdict's still out on his new one. I've only heard in once so far, and when I looked for it just now I could not find it. It's time to reorganise the cds once again. I'm running out of space for them. Yes, Van is repititious; you can also call it maintaining certain themes throughout his work. I wish he'd stop using Brian Kennedy for backup; I don;t think their voices blend at all. Andy, thanks for the mention of Band and Street Choir. I only have that on vinyl so I have not heard it in ages. I'll get it out and put it in front of the record stack.

Smoking - I've always been a bit smug that I never started. I did not like the taste or sensation of smoke in my throat, and could not get the knack to pull smoke into the lungs easily the few times I experimented. I also had the awful example of my father who smoked for 30 years, was up to 3 packs a day and coughed in his sleep. When he quit he went cold turkey; he and a friend plowed their cigarettes under - very dramatic. He's still alive at 88, with only a little spot of emphysema.

I love "Whispering Pines". It's a wonderfully intimate performance a 'living rooom set' indeed. I can lie on my couch and listen to this evening so long ago and far away; a mondern miracle.


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Posted by:

Hank

Web: My link

Subject: you'd say.....I'm puttin' you on......

"......and curse Sir Walter Raleigh....He was such a stupid git........"

I've heard it said that cancer is stress-related.........a smoking habit is often stress related.........and THERE is the problem........we've all heard of the 94 year old grannie who 's been smoking since she was 12 and the young fitness freak, who never smoked, dying of lung cancer..........

People with lung cancer suing tobacco companies is like dying, obese people suing McDonalds or Kentucky Fried Chicken for making deliciously addictive greasy food or Ben&Jerrys for making tasty, calorie-laden ice cream.......those people know they should not gorge themselves on that shit.........but they do anyway......same as smokers know how it affects the lungs...........

As Crabby will confirm, I enjoy a roll up at night and get a nicotine fix........

Bap Kennedy is the brother of Brian Kennedy who sings with Van Morrison......I've seen and met Bap here in Ireland.......he's got a great band....glad to see he's getting noticed abroad.........

I loved the post from the Hungarian dude seeing TLW during communist times............. musta been a great buzz......

i'm so tired.......


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: a beautiful post....

Tamas: What a beautiful, touching post! "Richard and Rick are not dead. Their songs are with me all the time". That sentiment brings a tear to my eye. Thank you.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Location: USA

Subject: Lawyers/Smoking/Richard

I believe that the law profession can be very honorable. The second most beloved dream I have, after raising happy children, is to attend law school. There is a certain fascinating beauty about the study of law. Respectable lawyers are everywhere...that follow a "playground sense of justice"...I love that term from the Guy Clark song, "Stuff That Works". However...I heard Willie Nelson tell this joke on a CMT show:

Did you hear about the guy in the bar who stood up and said, "All lawyers are assholes!"? Another guy stood up and said, "I take exception to that remark, sir!" The first guy said, "Are you a lawyer?" The other guy said, "No, I'm an asshole."

I never think of former smokers as being self-righteous. They are just so damn happy and proud of themselves...they pulled it off...it is one of the hardest things to do...right up their with childbirth.

I just wanted to mention Richard's cd, Whispering Pines. I love it...its just incredible to me. "Chest Fever" makes you want to dance, "Hard Times" takes you exactly where he wants you to go and "Miss Otis Regrets" is simply my favorite song on the cd. Richard speaking between songs and the dialogue with Rick...it is more than I thought I would ever hear. I didn't know them personally or ever see them live, but no matter how heartbreaking, there is something very comforting too.


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Posted by:

roz

Location: RianCity

Just think, if we were all self-absorbed humanitarian Rock Stars we could drink like fish, smoke like chimney's, eat like hogs and take all the drugs money could buy and then when the time came that our bodies were shot and our livers went bad we could just run to the head of the line for our new ones. Just Like David Crosby


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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: reformed smokers

"what a bunch of self righteous whining maggots" - Bill Hicks : )


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Posted by:

Tamás

Location: Hungary

You know, it was six years after The Last Waltz that I first saw it at my old high school. We were a communist country then, and maybe the authorities let it, because they thought that a movie with a name like that could only be an operetta or something. That was the day that changed my life forever. The way The Band played, the way The Band members behaved became a guiding light for me ever since. Richard and Rick are not dead. Their songs are with me all the time. I first fell in love with the sounds of the songs they sang, and God knows if I'm ever to fall in love again, I will do it with their tunes again. God bless the living! Tamas


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland

Subject: Stills

Other than Richard Thompson, I can't think of anyone I've seen do a solo show with guitar who has been as awesome as Stills. From 78 to the mid 80s I saw several Stills show, one was the very last Stills-Young Band show, a couple times with Crosby and Nash, and once or twice all alone. He's a killer player and the early stuff with Springfield and CSNY are classics. As a lyricist he leaves a lot to be desired, and I haven't seen him or listened to anything new in years but when the high points are as high as "Bluebird," "Suite Judy Blue Eyes," and a few others, hey, cut him some slack.


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland

Subject: Smoking

I have no sympathy for the tobacco companies. They've lied like mad about what and when they knew smoking caused cancer and they did it for the money. They've tried to hook kids on cigarettes, knowing nicotine is addictive and now that their own papers were leaked they want to claim everyone knew all along smoking was bad for your health, so they should be off the hook. They've lied, they're scum, and they should pay for covering up the health effects for decades.

Sorry it's not Band related, other than by Levon's illness.


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Posted by:

Andy R.

Location: Philadelphia

Subject: Van's Band & The Street Choir

Following the Van Street Choir thread....as one of the "Street Choir"... a little background.

The sessions where held at Bearsville Studios. Todd Rundgren was the engineer. The studio was pretty new...mostly cinderblock. We recorded "Call Me Up In Dreamland" and "Street Choir". A funny thing happened...the big, new MM1000 2" tape machines rolled...we overdubbed our parts...red lights were on recording..but when we went to listen to the playback...no nothing!!!! Van got annoyed...Todd I think stomped out...we sang it again and lo and behold...we got on the tape. Just a funny memory.

Van's band was really great!!! Keith Johnson on horns, John Platania on guitar (a local hero), David Shaw on drums, John Klingberg on bass, wonderful Allan Hand on keyboards and others that I can't name, you might want to check out the information on Van's website. There was a joyous feeling with Van and his band...I attended several memorable gigs with them. That was a golden time in Woodstock...everybody shared and participated and enjoyed. They are still some of my most favorite memories. With songs like "Domino" and "Gypsy Queen", the record had a loose informal feeling. One of my favorite tapes from this period (1970ish), was a rehearsal with Van and this band doing "Caledonia Soul Music" a great jam at a beautiful rustic performance amphitheater in the woods...the name escapes me, of course, (was it Byrdcliffe?)...where did all my brain cells go? I guess it will come to me.

If you haven't checked Van's "Band & The Street Choir" album..do so...you won't be disappointed.

Later folks.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: liver damage

i think im VERY qualified to speak on this lawsuit subject,, as i am waiting for a liver transplant,, for almost 4 years,,,,,,

whatever bad vices that became habits caused my hep C,,are irrelevant,,,

im an adult & was one ( allegedly ) during all this behavior,,, so i did it of my own free will,,,,,,

they didnt know about HEP C or liver damage from this,,, @ that time,,, but still,,,,,,,,

free will,,

the same way Levon never thought of suing Marlboro,,, free will,, his choice,, & being a Southerner,, it was a way of life,,,

so, at least two of us take full responsibility for our own illnessess,,,,,

Lawyers be damned,,,, THEY are part of what is wrong with this great nation,,,,,,( imo )


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Posted by:

Ben Turkel

Location: New Jersey

Subject: Stephen Stills

I think some of the comments about Stephen Stills wasting his talent were pretty harsh. He had a highly productive period as a songwriter and recording artist (1966-72)in which he was at the top of his game.

I agree that his work after the excellent first Manassas album became uneven, but one could just as easily make a point about Robbie Robertson's productivity declining after the Last Waltz or Richard Manuel's wasting his songwriting talent after the first few Band albums.

Is this really an unusual phenomenon for rock musicians. I don't think so. I would argue that it's the Van Morrison's and Neil Young's who release new albums every year or two that are the rarity among established musicians 35 years into their recording career.


Entered at Wed Jun 5 23:35:14 CEST 2002 from a010-0012.blgs.splitrock.net (209.254.61.12)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

Subject: Lil's wrong finger

Is there any of that left? Could you get some more?


Entered at Wed Jun 5 23:26:28 CEST 2002 from (64.80.240.41)

Posted by:

Lil Again

Subject: yikes

About that part in my last post about the finger thing.. um... I never said that in here, ok? Geez... :-)


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: a plethora of pot related illness and injury???

Ok Crabby... I give. Just what would one sue for? Pulling a muscle from laughing? Choking on that plastic wrapping they put on cheese from being too stoned to realize it's there? Breaking a tooth on a seed? Where would the lawsuits end? I once nearly bled to death from a gaping wound in my finger after smoking waaaay too much and sat for a good 10 minutes very carefully putting a bandage on the _wrong_ finger (this was a looooong time ago). Could I have sued for that? Frankly, I think people have become very lawsuit happy. I'll make the choice to do it, but if something happens to me.. it's your fault. That's nuts. Same with cigarettes and booze. You play, you pay.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Law suits and accountability

It's crazy that anyone can win these cases against the cigarette companies - maybe if someone had the smarts 35 years ago but NOW!!!! How long have we been told that these things can kill - Too bad if you can't quit - that's on you - no one put a gun to your head and made you smoke - Personally I'm 7 years clean after smoking a pack to 2 packs a day for 15 years. Also the proud owner of Phillip Morris stock - at .58 cents a share dividend every quarter -well you do the math - the more you own -the more its worth and its a great play in this market.

Anyway.., i heard on the radio this morning that a group of Indians (not the native american kind) are going to sue McD's because they found out that the oil they use to make fries has had a beef additive in it and God Forbid!!! we are not sensitive to every friggin' person in this country - And as we know beef is a no-no in their culture - How about skipping McD's altogether or finding out before hand exactly what is going on with the product - OK I'm pissed now!!!! Watch this country litigate itself to a second rate power of pussies - Doesn't anyone suck it up if their naive, weak, unfortunate or just plain stupid!!!! Let's blame someone else, I'm sure a good lawyer will find an angle to run with..., Ok I'm done now - I think i need to go back in the heat and relax...,


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Posted by:

BR

Location: northern va

Subject: van morrison

I happen to like Van Morrison's "Down the Road" very much. However my favorite still remains "Van Morrison, his band and The Street Choir." Although the critics only rated it 3 1/2 stars, in my opinion it is one of those albums that improves with each repetition. BR


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Smoking

I have a comment. Anyone with a brain who over the past 20 years or so didn't know they were inflicting harm on themselves is a liar. No one deserves Cancer; but if I drive 125 miles an hour every day in my car, I might just get into an accident and I'm not about to sue Ford or any other auto maker for my problems. Sorry..I have not time for people who say, "Gee I didn't know." That's why I quit in 1978. Yes I know the tobacco companies lied as well; but you have to take responsibility for yourself. One other thing. I find it interesting that both the American and Canadian health systems are crying the blues that smoking will kill you; however the government just LOVES those tobacco taxes. If smoking is truly dangerous and I believe it is..then BAN IT! Then again you might become like many of my friends who now buys from the Indians at a lower price. How long now have we known that smoking is bad for your health?????? Please.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Three Is Company

Pat: Well it was all very innocent. In fact one time when Steve had a "guest" he booted me out of my own section of the living room, so I went to Mike's room (the real bedroom) and he wouldn't even let me sleep crosswise at the foot of the bed. I was so mad at Steve I couldn't sleep anyway, but the hardwood floor didn't help.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Law Suits

Has anyone with liver disease ever sued Seagram's et al? Can heroin and cocaine addicts sue their dealers? If pot were legalized would a plethora of pot related illness and personal injury lawsuits ensue? Inquiring minds want to know!!


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Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Subject: I'm no tobacco lawyer, but...

I'm no tobacco lawyer, but I play one on TV. No, wait, got that wrong: I AM a lawyer, just not a tobacco/tort lawyer. Still, as to that last post:

For decades the tobacco companies held off lawsuits, basically arguing that tobacco wasn't dangerous, OR that it was dangerous but it was government-regulated and therefore not actionable, OR that the Surgeon-General warning on the packs (since 1964) amounts to an "assumption-of-the-risk" defense barring recovery for all damage from post-'64 cigarettes.

Only in recent years have the floodgates opened and the lawsuits been won, but even today there are huge procedural hurdles, and I think it's safe to say that only a tiny fraction of 1% of all people with smoking-related cancer or disease ever recover a judgment or settlement. (Most of the lawsuits you read about are brought by state attorneys-general and the like, not individual plaintiffs.)

Whether you're a musician suing wouldn't make a difference. I suppose by asking the question, your thought is that musicians would have higher damages, in that their lost earnings would be greater. But that's a damages argument, and it doesn't go to underlying liability. Besides, in my casual observation, even those very rare Joe Schmoes who have actually won tobacco lawsuits often get multi-million (even billion?) dollar judgments -- so the hurdle is establishing liability in the first place, not making out a compelling case of damages. Once people have actually won these things, juries get swept up in the pain and suffering and the argument that no amount of money compenastes for the value of human life -- any human life.

Being a musician like Levon Helm wouldn't make that much difference, and, arguably, could make the case harder, insofar as the tobacco company could argue you, Mr. Musician, were smarter than the average bear & knew the risks, had access to better health care advice, blah, blah, blah.


Entered at Wed Jun 5 21:44:23 CEST 2002 from citrix2.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.7)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Cocker

Great to hear the good reviews on Joe Cocker being the highlight of the show.. I am a big Cocker fan and love most of his stuff... no one could and can belt out a song better than Cocker.. I have seen him about 5 times in the last 2 years mostly as a opening act for Tina Turner and last year the Guess Who and always thought he sounded better than who was headlining the night.. my question is was the media surprised by his performance and was it great enough to maybe open some peoples ears and eyes and see this guy shouldn't be opening for anyone and should be headlining his own big shows and then getting into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame where he deserves...


Entered at Wed Jun 5 21:28:45 CEST 2002 from 1cust22.tnt1.fredericksburg2.va.da.uu.net (63.36.6.22)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginia (Home of Big Tobacco)

Subject: Is There a Lawyer in the House?

I heard something on CNN today about another multi-million dollar lawsuit from some smoker suing one of the tobacco companies. I'm amazed that I haven't heard of a single professional musician taking this approach. It seems that throat cancer victims such as the late George Harrison and Levon, for instance, who made their living as singers would have a much better case than some of the people who have won huge settlements. Any comments?


Entered at Wed Jun 5 19:43:26 CEST 2002 from 1cust135.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.83.135)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Van's Soul

Okay, then it's Van's "soul" that gets on my nerves!! Tedious.


Entered at Wed Jun 5 19:09:14 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-115.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.115)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Soul singers

Crabbie: It’s called “soul” : - ) Brien – give “The Healing Game” a try, starting with “It Once was My Life.” I won’t say anything. But someone else can …

“Van Morrison (is) one of the greatest soul singers ever … we always felt a musical affinity with Van …” (Robbie Robertson, TLW DVD sleeve notes, 2002)


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Van the Annoying

I'm glad none of The Band's songs end with that endless monotonous repetition that Van Morrison seems to favor. Gets on my nerves!!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Americans

Remember those who made the supreme sacrifice for the future of others throughout the world.

"Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force:
You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere are with you."

--General Dwight D. Eisenhower
June 6, 1944 (D-DAY)


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Posted by:

Mark

Location: Lincroft,New Jersey

Subject: Acadian Driftwood

i just spent the last two & half checking out the stuff on this site...I love the photos and particularily, Peter Viney's notes on 'Driftwood. Eliot's photos are tremendous...thx,M


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Jenny T: I imagine it's something like playing in a pickup basketball game... most fun when people know how to pass, move w/o the ball... and play some D...

Hey, what ever happen to Tommy? Did he sneak away into lurker mode?

Lil, I'm loving this Shakey book... I'm a little behind you as I just started the section on Stills... If we have more than 3 people post while reading does that make this GB place a book club too?


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Van

Peter: I know you are very partial to Van -his early stuff is classic but newer things are either an acquired taste or plain dull - For instance, the last Van cd i bought, Days Like This, is a snore. There are a couple nice songs (Raincheck, No Religion). The minor hit, Days Like This, being the best but the rest is music I put on if i can't sleep, it really sounds like the same riff being done over and over again with small variations - On the other hand I think the San Francisco Nights (live cd) is incredible!!! Couple points are average but all in all it's a jam, with Van seeming to be in top form.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Bruce Cockburn & Jesse Winchester

There is a fairly new Bruce Cockburn anthology that is currently available with a bonus disc containing an interview and live performance he did late last year on David Dye's syndicated "Live at the World Cafe" from Public Radio International. I saw Cockburn at a benefit concert in Washington, DC a few years back and was really impressed not only by his songs and singing, but also his fine acoustic guitar work.

Speaking of people who have benefitted from that crisp Canadian air, Jesse Winchester is another vastly under-rated singer and songwriter. I saw him on his first post-Canadian exile tour back when Jimmy Carter granted amnesty to draft evaders in the late 1970s, and Jesse's performance at the tiny but legendary Cellar Door club in Washington, DC was one of the most emotional evenings of music I've seen in thirty years of concerts. I saw him a couple of years ago and he still puts on a damn fine show, but without a band and with a lot more comic relief...


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Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: Bap Kennedy & Peter Viney

Peter pick up "Domestic Blues." It's Fantasitic! At least I think so. I think it might be your cup of tea.


Entered at Wed Jun 5 16:06:19 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-155.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.155)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Van

Kalervo- you must be a closet Doors fan trying to wind me up! The Shana Morrison album's nice enough, but Van's "Down the road" is another quiet masterpiece - his best since The Healing Game (which is a future classic). Van has done the odd second-rate show in recent years (And I've reviewed them as such) but back in January he was in top gear and cruising. I say this having seen him about 20 times in 10 years.

My TLW DVD arrived! And nobody mentioned that RR wrote the 8 page booklet himself OR:

"The widescreen version of this MGM DVD has been encoded to take the full advantage of high-resolution widescreen televsion sets. When viewed on this type of screen, the film's picture resolution will be significantly enhanced."

Which Bap Kennedy is the best starter? (I traced three, one out of print).


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Posted by:

karin holtgreve

Location: germany
Web: My link


Entered at Wed Jun 5 10:52:31 CEST 2002 from (194.100.60.132)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Suomi

Subject: Van - please retire!

There are many artists there who are tired and uninspired copies of themselves. Sad to say my old hero Van Morrison is one of them...The man of his age, Bruce Cockburn, for instance has made wonderful classic albums in recent years.So it is nothing to do with age..

Van you are a millionaire...Make something when you have something to say...And we others can switch to Shana Morrison, whose new (first?) album has got rave views...


Entered at Wed Jun 5 10:36:07 CEST 2002 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Posted by:

Ragtime

Subject: Buckingham Palace

Ragtime's 2 eurocents on the Jubilee Show.

Clapton doing 'While My Guitar Gently Wheeps' was one of the highlights for me. Cocker was great (is he "Sir Joe" now?). Who was that old gentleman (Tony Bennett or something? No, I don't mean the Duke of E. ;-)

Rather strange to see Cliff Richard, Tom Jones, Clapton, Winwood & McCartney all on the same stage. Well, Neil Diamond on The Last Waltz was not such a odd choice after all ;-) And where was Ringo?

As Peter said: I would have loved to see Sir Robbie and Sir Garth as well as the Hon. Mr. Helm in the Palace gardens.

The only person who didn't seem to enjoy the show was Her Majesty herself. Didn't smile at all, seemed to think: who on earth is the dear mummy that gentleman who's back I'm looking at is talking to? And please can we go home now? Her problem was: she was home already. No escape for the poor old girl.

BTW I loath sing-along crap such as We Are The Champions & Hey Jude.


Entered at Wed Jun 5 10:10:33 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-107.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.107)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Winchester, egos, Bap K, Cocker

I got ‘Jesse Winchester live At Mountain Stage’ last week, and to be honest, I don’t like the new versions too much. What it did do though was get me to put the original 1970 Bearsville one in the car, and I’ve been listening to it all week. There are things about the production that make this almost a missing link in The Band’s story. It has an eclecticism reminiscent of the brown album. Payday, getting drunk and dirty is the rocker and would be ideal for Levon (Jemima Surrender, if you like), Yankee Lady is the wistful love song (Rick, I think), Brand New Tennessee Waltz is the country one, Biloxi cries out for Richard’s voice, Snow has a sense of humour that could make it a Rick song … it’s a wonderful album. It’s essential for any Band fan as Robbie’s production and style are all over it (as well as Robbie’s guitar and Levon’s mandolin and drums). Winchester wrote some good songs later too (Do It is great), but never achieved the breakthrough he deserved. His career was hampered by being unable to enter the USA for ten or so years. A few years ago, someone said he’d have attained the status of James Taylor if it hadn’t been for the travel restriction.

Misty- I said they’d been ‘tarred with the same brush’, but yes, they’re all accused of being egotistical in a similar way. We discussed a Joni Mitchell quote in Rolling Stone once – I don’t have it to hand, but she helped fuel the ‘snobby Robbie’ myth when she complained that she went into some restaurant (or celebrity show) and that Robbie, Don Henley and another star (might even have been Stills) were at a table and ignored her. My view was that the quote revealed her own paranoia, but a wiser and less-naïve commentator pointed out that circa 1980 they’d have been too out of it to recognize their own mothers at that point in the evening. As I said at the time – Henley and Robbie would have been a great duet. Both Henley and Stills have (or at least ‘had’) great signature voices.

John – no, I haven’t heard of Bap Kenndy, but with your recommendation and the Seatrain connection, I will seek it out. You were so complimentary about the wise heads who would have heard of it that I didn’t want to disallusion the world by revealing ignorance! But my secret is out. And Seatrain is still one of my all time greats.

Back to the Jubilee – the press agreed that Joe Cocker was the highlight, and had a full stage picture. I hadn’t noticed on TV, but along with Brian May, Phil Collins, Steve Winwood in the band, Paul McCartney was playing bass and Clapton guitar (though May took the solos I think). Talking of signature voices, Cocker proves that “wasted years” can come to an end. At the time of ‘Luxury you Can Afford’ he was histronic, mindless, uncontrolled, total crap. This saddened me, because I saw a young Joe Cocker perform several times in Yorkshire, before he made it, just as he made it, then just after he made it. After the nadir (the version of “Grapevine” with Rick Danko being close to the bottom) he revived his career with those duet ballads. I recall his original stage version of ‘With A Little Help From my Friends” back in 67 or 68 (?) when it was ‘the new single’ and I was delighted to see him perform it just as well- possibly even better – this week.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: Stills, Vol. II

I couldn't agree more with everyone who's defended Stephen Stills by pointing to his work in Buffalo Springfield, Al Kooper's Super Session, and the first CSN and CSNY albums. And I'll take Peter Viney's point about the first Manassas album and "Southern Cross" being worthwhile achievements as well. My point was not that Stills *lacked* talent...quite the contrary, it was that he seems to have failed to nurture what was once an extremely *impressive* talent in the past 30 years or so, and that's a real shame, especially to the extent that it's due in part to self-destructive behavior. His own bandmate said Stills hasn't written a good song in years because of cocaine; to me, that's a really sad thing to hear. But, as several people here have pointed out, it's not like Steve's exactly living on the street these days!


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Suomi

Subject: There is life outside USA, too

Many thanks Ilkka! Luckily you are here,too. To show these self-satisfied Americans, that there is Life outside USA, too.

It always amaze me how intelligent people are operating in such small area. If we take away some 20 names (artists/bands) this guestbook would be quite empty. People rather talk about some favorite artist' s new trousers than open their eyes on something new (or new old) and wonderful. Like Wigwam or Caetano Veloso or Norah Jones or for instance those excellent Swedish bands like Weeping Willows, Bo Kaspers' Orkestra, Kent, The Soundtrack Of Our Lives (I could never imagine that the most popular bands in Finland could be Swedish!).

In the spirit of Robbie' no looking back.....


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Posted by:

Misty

Subject: Stills/Henley/Robbie

Peter, or anyone else, would you clarify what you meant by Stills, Henley, & Robbie being "painted with the same brush"? Thanks!


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Swinging

Jenny T, you are a swinger.

"D'yer Maker" is in fact a question, as in "Did you make her?" as in "Did she succumb to your amorous proposal?"

Harsh words for Steve Stills. As someone said, a member of two seminal groups deserves a break. And I'm sure he wishes his genius lasted as long as ours.


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Posted by:

Phil

Location: Ca

Subject: Stills On Cavett

Sam, the song Stills does on Cavett is 4+20 from Deja Vu. I've seen it on VH1 at least 5 times, so it's popular and likely to be shown again. Crosby talks about the oil companies owning and running everything, a very young Joni, and Stills sounds OK. Pre needing a bashing. I think Grace Slick is also on it and later in the show The Airplane do a number with Crosby sitting in and it's awfull.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Larry Atamanuik, Dick Cavett

I just bought Emmylou's great AT THE RYMAN collection the other day featuring the Nash Ramblers with Larry Atamanuik on drums (I met him a couple of years ago after a gig he played as a member of the Alison Krause touring band; nice guy), not to mention the incredible Sam Bush on mandolin and fiddle and ex-member of Stephen Stills' Manassas band, Al Perkins, on various instruments.

Speaking of Stills on the Cavett show, while in a store today I saw a new DVD compiled from the various Jimi Hendrix appearances on that show. I'm not sure if it is part of a series, but I have seen the show with Stills, David Crosby and Joni Mitchell on TV in recent years.


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Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Larry Atamanuik

I don't know if it was mentioned on the previous posts but Larry Atamanuik was himself a member of the Hawks for a while. A great drummer.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

The best jams involve very little planning - they jusy kind of happen, and take on a life of their own.

Nesmith and Tork(real name Thorkelson) were musicians. Dolenz and Jones were actors who could sing. I actually have a pre-Monkees Davy Jones album. If you listen good you'll realize that Mickey Dolenz was an excellent singer. The other huge credit due to Mr. Dolenz is that when the Monkees got so huge that they HAD to do live shows, he had to learn to drum - and he did OK in my book under those circumstances.

Geez - Steven Stills is taking a pounding. He has a pretty damn goos resume from where I sit. Also, even if he did do himself some harm, he's still alive and kicking, which is a big leg up on some of his peers from when he started. I think I've mentioned this in here before - I caught a show one time that was filmed the day after the Woodstock concert ended. It was Dick Cavett sitting around with some big name musicians talking, one of them being Stills. Then at one point Steven did an absolutely beautiful tune by himself on the acoustic guitar. I sure love to get a copy of this, or at least find out what the song was. Anybody familiar with this?

Thanks to the folks who pointed me towards the Richard CD.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Simple Minds/Bridge over Troubled Water

Bill: I also liked the title track to Alive and Kicking. I guess they could be pretty dramatic. I think Chrissie Hynde went out with (or married?) the lead singer once.

They and all mid 80s groups remind me of when I was first on my own, and I had this roommate Mike whom I barely knew when we became roommates--he was a friend of my friend Steve who has been my friend since 1st grade and who was our other roommate. All three of us lived in a one bedroom apartment on Beacon Hill in Boston, which we did by dividing the living room into two bedrooms with bookshelves, and rotating around every two months to keep it fair. Needless to say you are either going to become good friends or start to hate one another under those conditions.

I was Miss Roots Rock Purist and although Mike appreciated that kind of music, he was more into The Cure, The Cult, The Jam, The Fixx, The Smiths, The The, etc. He had a Simple Minds album and all the stuff he played (which seemed "cold and dark" to me at first) really grew on me after a while. One thing he would also play a lot was Blood on the Tracks.

Which reminds me of another song I always turn up: Bridge Over Troubled Water, because it reminds me of my oldest and greatest friend, Steve. I call him "the big brother I never wanted" but he knows I don't mean it.

What does D'yer Maker mean anyway?


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Posted by:

Bob

Subject: jam

Jenny T, you are correct, pick a chord structure and a key and go! Many jams are "blues", the chord structure is called (normally) a 1-4-5 because there are 3 basic chords, e.g. E A & B. Country music is similar but melody notes are a different scale than rock or blues.

Myself I will walk away from any session that includes Neil Young's "Down By The River" or "All Along The Watchtower" (Hendrix version"! : )


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Jam Sessions

Maybe I am revealing my ignorance here, but in a jam, how does everyone know what they play will go with what everyone welse is playing? Do they agree on some kind of chord structure or just a key or what?


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Posted by:

roz

Location: RainCity

Subject: Bill's post

Bill, You got me mixed up with someone else in here, I never asked about Led Zeppelin! I only say that because I would never never ask about Led Zeppelin in The Band's guestbook. No offense to who did tho.

"Slug" does sound a bit harsh.


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Posted by:

Joe

Location: Arcata, CA

Subject: Stills on Super Session

As usual, this site offers the best discussions about music on the web. Y'all are amazing. But, unless I missed it in reviewing recent posts, a significant Stills contribution to music history has been left out of the conversation. Stephan's work on Super Session (1968) is incredible. His blues guitar on this Bloomfield/Kooper/Stills album (with additional Band/Dylan connections through Barry Goldberg, Harvey Brooks and Eddie Hoh) just gets better with time. PS, thanks for e-mails about Watkins Glen! JMH


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Posted by:

Bill

Since John D. was good enough to mention the great Seatrain, and their drummer Larry Atamanuik - always one of my favourites - I figure I should mention that I had the unmitigated pleasure of seeing the reunited Luke and the Apostles (legendary Toronto blues band of the late '60s) on the weekend. Fantabulous playing by both guitarist Mike McKenna and keyboardist Peter Jermyn. Peter especially is a monster - so good in fact that he's the ONLY Toronto musician of the dozens and dozens and dozens I've interviewed over the years who has made any kind of claim to having seen our Hawks as guys to trade ideas with rather than guys to look up to and hope to emulate.

I guess the Blues Project knew and was impressed with the Apostles way back when, as they offered Peter the organ spot after Al Kooper left. (He declined as the necessary green card would have made him draftable.) A couple of years later, Seatrain (i.e., the Blues Project renamed) offered Luke Gibson the vocalist spot, but he too declined in the end.


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Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: Bap Kennedy

Peter.....I notice you haven't commented on if you've heard Bap Kennedy over there or not? I just noticed that Larry Atamanuik(originally of the Toronto Band "Crowbar" with some ex Hawks in there)........played drums and Peter Rowan as well; both from Seatrain play on it Atamanuik went on to play with Emmylou's Nash Ramblers.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jubilee, Stills

John – glad you enjoyed the show too. Joe Cocker was one of the stand-outs. These all-star galas tend to do some people good and others are either neutral or weaker than expected. That Steve Winwood organ sound was right there, wasn’t it? Brilliant. Also, Brian May had a very good night – shining everytime he appeared, I thought (and I’m not a fan of Queen). I thought Sir Paul wasn’t on top form (and may have done too many of these things) but Hey Jude was fantastic- hard to hear the massed stars, but as with Brian Wilson’s act, Cliff Richard cut through the general noise.

In a spirit of patriotic fervour engendered by this morning’s parade, I await the Diamond Jubilee rock concert with anticipation. This time, Bryan Adams was OK for Canada, but Australia got Dame Edna., and on the 60th I’d hope for appearances by newly knighted Sir Robbie, Sir Garth and Dames Kylie and Joni.

Stephen Stills – he always seems to have been tarred with the same brush as Don Henley & Robbie, doesn’t he? Don’t know what the common factor is!

Wasted Years- great name, but as a supergroup concept, it’d be swamped with volunteers. F.Scott Fitzgerald does the lyrics … the others are obvious!


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Last Waltz Jam #2

I have now watched this a couple of times on the DVD, and it keeps getting better to me. It's wonderful how loose it is. Some artists stop playing and then start playing again. Garth and Dr. John switch places. Robbie gets Stills his guitar to play. They all are having a great time, for there are smiles everywhere. Levon and Garth had to be exhausted. I can't believe they played both jams after that marathon concert, and they still look fresh.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Stills

I saw CSN last summer (i posted about this show last year) Stills voice was shot and had to be helped with lots of voices supporting the higher notes of songs. He grumbled and mumbled through some verses, was just way off key in others, then hit the right notes the rest of the way. But for what he may have lost in voice he certainly compensated for guitar playing - he was smokin'

The link from my last post: check out other artists like Dylan and Van Morrison as well as Hendrix, Beatles, Grateful Dead.., pretty interesting stuff. He essentially killed Love and Theft.., a cd i previewed a couple times and eventually passed.., i get caught up in the rave reviews of cd's on this site sometimes but didn't bite on this one.


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Posted by:

Ilkka

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Wigwam

Thanks KALERVO for posting your message about WIGWAM. Actually, I had it in my mind, too. You were faster!
By all means visit KALERVO's link and don't forget to read the guestbook because I have a special greeting for you there. (My link is my gb vCard)


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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: froggy goes a'courtin

Correction, Pepote Rouge, I've been complaining about Dylan's voice for about 5 years now.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ordering Whispering Pines

HMV Canada are taking orders now. The only thing is that they must first get it from Japan themselves........then ship to you........ so the process may take longer; but it will be cheaper and they do ship internationally by post. Just call or e-mail them. They are very helpful, especially Nicole who has told me they have had many calls since I first posted here about the Canadian connection to the CD.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Stills is awesome... to me... I'm just blown away that he doesn't get similar respect as others... maybe he got it when he was younger... and well, listeners move on... I still think he is awesome... and have been extremely lucky to see him in fine form a few times... I have to admit though I've heard the not so pretty stories too... but I'm not the judging kind... well not today anyway... I'm 40 now... and I think that means I can drink a beer at 11:27 am CDT...


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Posted by:

Susan

Web: My link

Subject: Ordering Whispering Pine again

Luke, I just checked both sites. It looks like you can order from Japan; they do international shipping with FedEX, which ships to Austria and Germany (I can't remember which country you are in). It will be quick but expensive. I've put a link to the main English page of the site. They figure all costs in yen, so you'll need to check out the exchange rate to get a general idea of your costs. I could not find anything about international shipping on the HMV Canada site, but it may be hidden in the order process. You might give that a try, and email them if you can't find international shipping information. Shipping from Canada might be cheaper, and they might be willing to use the post rather than FedEx.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Wasted Talent?

I don't think it's realistic to say that Steven Stills "wasted his talent". If selling millions of albums and being in TWO(!) of the most critically acclaimed bands of his generation is wasting talent, we should all be so lucky. He wasted his talent sufficiently enough to be 1/4 of the two record-grossing CSNY tours. If you can command $200 a ticket playing arenas when you're well past 50, I'd have to say you're doing alright.

Our boys should have been so lucky.

By the way, I always thought "Wasted Talent" would have been a pretty cool name for a band.


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Ordering Whispering Pines in Europe

Luke, I don't see why you can't order from HMV Canada or HMV Japan as long as you can pay with a credit card. The shipping will certainly be more for you from Canada, and the Japan site only ships FedEx to the US - I did not note what they use in Europe. It's going to cost you for shipping, but I'm sure you can order. Maybe one of the European posters has experience here - Ragtime or Peter Viney.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Stills, Project/Object & Her Majesty

Once again, this is simply the best music discussion group on the planet. I agree with you, Pepote Rouge, about Mr. Stills. His voice comes and goes like another of my favorite musicians to this day, John Sebastian, but look at his 35 year body of work and there are few musicians in the same league. Stills still stands with anyone on guitar and he once wrote some of the finest lyrics (he was a master of alliteration) and melodies in popular music. Get the DVD of Stills with his band Manassas recorded for German TV in the early 1970s and you'll see an incredibly tight, kick-ass band that stayed together for too short a time.

It's also nice to see Project/Object mentioned here. They are remarkable in carrying on Zappa's legacy and I think that they actually play 100% FZ music. I saw them last year playing with a line-up that included former Zappa sidemen Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock and original members of Zappa's Mothers, Don Preston and Bunk Gardner. It was one of the most amazing evenings of live music I've ever witnessed.

Hey Peter: I saw some of the footage of the rock'n'roll tribute to Queen Elizabeth. It's too bad that Little Richard couldn't make it, though. He's been a queen almost as long as she has...


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Posted by:

Luke W.

Subject: Richard Manuel Solo

What are the possibilities to order the Richard Manuel Solo CD in Europe. Can I also order it from hmv.com ?

all the best, Luke


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Posted by:

Pepote Rouge

Subject: Stills

I ve seen Stills solo...CSNY...CSN... countless times and he did clearly waste some of the 70's with alcohol problems...but clearly he is one of the finest acoustic blues players ever!!!! And clearly one of the best musicians ever!!!!!(Buffalo Springfield CSN Manassas)he also plays bass..guitar..keys..drums. I imagine the reason neil is so hard on Stephen in his book is because they are Best Friends...and neil watched Stephen screw up.Go buy Stills Alone 1992 and see how shot his voice is...a great acoustic album! I dont here anyone complaining about Robbie's voice(talk about shot)or Dylan's or Tom Waits....I just think Stephen should get the respect he deserves...it seems people with way less talent get too much credit sometimes.


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Posted by:

Bob


Web: My link

Subject: Project Object

For those here who are/were fans of Frank Zappa, Project Object will be at Joyous Lake in Woodstock in July. (check their website above). This is a large band which features 2 ex-FZ alumni, Ike Willis and Napoloen Brock. I saw them in March and they were fantastic! The music is about 90% FZ.


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Posted by:

Bill

Roz: The Led Zep song is "D'yer Maker" - which most English people would pronounce like "Jamaica" - it was a close to reggae as the guys were prepared to go.

Jenny T: My Simple Minds 45 is "Waterfall", which I keep for the bombastic intro and the memory of when I first heard it - working on a friend's cottage in Suffolk. I have Captain Sensible's "Wot" for the same (latter) reason.

I'm still not sure what somebody meant by slug, and why it would apply to Steve Stills, Joe Walsh or Steve Miller on musical grounds. Each gave us some wonderful music - and if they went downhill afterwards, so what? So will (or have) we all. Most of us will end up in Depends, not having left behind anything as worthy as "Sit Down I Think I Love You", "Rocky Mountain Way" or "Song For Our Ancestors".


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Queen's Gala Last Night

Highlight for me. When they said that Stevie Winwood was coming up. I said to my wife. "God I hope he has a B3." Suddenly a close up of his hands on a B3 and away he went into Gimme Gimme Some Loving. Joe Cocker doing A Little Help From My Friends. Winwood on B3, Phil Collins on drums, Brian May on lead Guitar and that great scream from Joe in the middle of the song. It was Heaven to me!


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Posted by:

Ws Walcott

Subject: roayal jubilee, other stuff

I caught a bit of the Royal Jubilee on CBC last night. I disn't even know it was going to be on. I have never been much for those all star type shows. Anyway, I did catch Brian Wilson doing Good Vibrations. I have never been a Beach Boys fan so I know dick all about them or about what any of them have been doing recently. I did notice, however, that the corner of Wilson's face and mouth was drooping/snarled in appearance, they way someone would look after recovering from a stroke. Did he, in fact, have a stroke?

I was never much of a Stills fan either. He's a good guitar player, I'll give him that. I have also heard stories about his ego, volatile temper, etc. I saw CSN (not with Y) about 10 years ago. Man did they suck! Nash introduced him as the imcredible Stephen Stills. And your right Lil, his voice was shot then. The opening act was some comedian, lame. They also made a couple off the cuff comments about Neil. Not a very smart thing to do in his own homeland. The audiences reception to the concert was luke warm at best, and deservedly so.

The Monkees - I liked Mickey Dolenz vocals the best. He was also the best comedian in the group.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Richard Manuel "Whispering Pines"

Calvin and Bayou Sam here's the number:

1-888-414-1468

Good luck.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Stephen Stills

The last (and it _will_ be the last) time I saw Stephen Stills was in 1979 at that 10-year Woodstock 2 thing they had up here. He was _awful_. His voice was pretty much shot-to-shit then.. so I have no idea what it must be like now. I liked him in his CSN (Y) days... but as far as the performance I saw in 79.. that ship has sailed.

Neil Young's new autobiography is wonderful btw.. and if you haven't picked up a copy yet.. do yourself a favor and do so. I had been aware that he had one son with CP, I didn't know that both of his sons are afflicted with it. It takes a strong person.. a strong parent.. to cope with a double tragedy like that.. and do it with so much love. It was very heartwarming to read.

Dr. Pepper: Please e-mail me. I think of you often and hope you're doing ok.

Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Wigwam

I am proud and relieved to say that the best Band-influenced group ever, Wigwam, released a wonderful new album Titans Wheel this week.

Wigwam (it is a Finnish band with an Englishman Jim Pembroke on vocals. Jim has made most of the songs.)made the classic albums like Being and Nuclear Nightclub in the 70' s. They made some comebacks, but now it is for real. Titans Wheel is so good that there is no need for nostalgia...look at the web site...


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Stills

After CSNY he did do at least two decent solo albums - 'Manassas' is a favourite. Also on the reformation "Daylight Again" he does 'Southern Cross" which is a superb song. The Neil Young bio is particularly tough on Stills, who clearly did waste his talent.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Stills and Dylan

Well that is very sad about Stephen Stills--I had no idea. It seems there are people who can write lyrics, people who can write melodies/songs, people who can sing, people who have perfect rhythm, and people who are brilliant at playing one or more instruments. I can't do ANY of the above, so I admire anyone who can. The person who can do all of them is very rare. Stills was probably right about Dylan--I think he didn't even care all that much about the sound of things and Robbie talked to him about it once. Maybe he should have been a lyricist and gotten someone else to write the music and sing and play--he could have been the Bernie Taupin. Before that gives anyone a stroke, JUST KIDDING.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Windtalkers

following is the site for the Windtalkers Soundtrack. Does not look as if RR played a part.

http://www.mgm.com/windtalkers/

Also, I read that Bruce and the E Street Bank are releasing a CD on July 30th.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Music, a matter of opinion

I guess in finding the music of the Band late in life makes it easier for me in listening to other artists. I still listen to the other music that Ive always listened to before I heard the boys from Pink play, but I have to admit Im a little more choosey on new music than I would have been had I not become a Band fan. I gave my sister a ride home from a family function, I had Rock of Ages in my player as we pulled away, it happened that Cripple Creek was on as we pulled away and my sister asks me what the hell Im listening to, what ya into country now, I told her that it was the Band, the best rock n roll band ever, she looked at me like I was nuts. I dont waste my time on people who dont get it nor do I push it. There is so much good music to be heard and we all have an opinion on it, it just so happens the best happens to be what Im listening to...


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: Stills

Stephen Stills: yes, he auditioned for the Monkees and was rejected either because of his bad teeth or receding hairline (I've heard conflicting accounts). His folksinging buddy Peter Torkildsen was luckier, however...

I've been thinking about Stills a bit recently because of the new Neil Young bio...though Stills was never the songwriter (especially the lyricist) Young was, he had a fine pop sense, was an accomplished instrumentalist, and had a radio-friendly voice, and was probably the horse to bet on (at least from a commercial standpoint) when Buffalo Springfield broke up. After the first CSN and first CSNY albums, though, it all went downhill for Stills, especially compared to his ex-bandmate, who became one of the most respected artists in popular music. Stills's decline is probably due to two main factors: a fairly serious coke habit (Nash is quoted -- recently -- as saying that Steve hasn't written a good song in years because of drugs) and an apparently insufferable ego that stood out even by rock-and-roll standards and probably prevented some of the self-questioning usually necessary for good art. Nash recalls that Bob Dylan came backstage after a CSNY show in 1974 and played Stills most of the songs that ended up on "Blood on the Tracks." After Dylan left, Stills said to Nash, "He's a good songwriter, but he's no *musician*."

I assume that Stills's presence at The Last Waltz was due to his membership in the California rock aristocracy at the time (also, The Band had opened for CSNY on the '74 tour) and his connections to Young, Mitchell and Clapton. Obviously, his participation was limited to "Jam #2." It's sad, but he strikes me as someone who wasted an awful lot of talent along the way.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: ebay and pseudonyms

I can sympathize with W.S. Walcott at seeing his name used by another (though I approve of the purchase). My biggest fear of course would be seeing someone buying a Doors CD in my name - or much worse, a Jim Morrison poseur - I mean poster. The Monkees however, I'd be quite happy with!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Royal Jubilee Concert

The Jubilee Concert was fun, and also smoothly organized in changing artists with just one or two songs each. Highlight for me was Brian Wilson. California Girls was OK, but the idea of duetting with EC on Warmth of The Sun was inspired. Then God Only Knows with The Corrs was another unlikely combination that worked, as did (most surprisingly) Good Vibrations with Sir Cliff Richard and Emma Bunton (Baby Spice). Joe Cocker with Brian May and Steve Winwood backing was also first rate. As was Winwood’s solo spot . Eric Clapton’s solo spot was pretty good, but subdued. Others didn’t fare so well- Rod Stewart has certainly lost the power and needs a charisma inplant. I thought Ray Davies was a bit sloppy (well, it’s his charm), but interestingly his appearance brought a warm smile from Her Majesty that the cameras captured. The much-trumpeted McCartney / Clapton duet on While My Guitar Gently Weeps was … well, just run of the mill big-event charity concert stuff to me. Most fun was reading the Guardian “review” this morning. The full programme (including songs) had been advertised in advance. The reviewer made capital out of saying that it was a great shame that Sir Paul had not performed “Her Majesty”, quoted the lyric in full, then says Sir Paul wouldn’t have had the nerve to do it. Writing retrospective reviews before the event is a risky business, as in fact McCartney opened his act with “Her Majesty”. That’s one (more) journalist with zero credibility left!


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Posted by:

roz

Location: RainCity

I always found Steve Stills to be a bit of a "Slug" and I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way. The same with Joe Walsh and Steve Miller and numorous others. Maybe I'm just snooty or something. The Band have a tendency to make folks "Snooty" when it comes to accepting more ordinary talent. Do you all feel that way? Have you taken crap from people for being so discriminating?

That book "ChasingThe Dragon" is available on eBay for $5.95 if anyone else is interested in reading it. Key in Levon's name.


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: The Monkees

Ive seen a little bit of the history of the Monkees, from what Ive seen these guys were hired to be a teeny bopper band, I think its a little comical that after they were togather for a while that all of sudden they wanted to be serious, Kirshner knew what would sell, somehow I cant picture serious good music appealing to 12 year old girls hung on Davey Jones, I should know my two younger sisters were nuts about this show.. as far as Stills auditioning for this, well I gotta believe ole Steve is pretty damm happy he didnt get that gig... funny thing is they play it on local t.v. and I still get a laugh over the boys antics...


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Posted by:

herbie hancock

Subject: monkees

this is from snl weekend update with norm mcdonald "the monkees are going on a reunion tour this summer. this will be different from their previous tours due to the participation of micheal nesmith, who until now, hasn't been involved with the reformed monkees. nesmith was formally known as the "quiet monkee" but now will be known as "the last monkee to run out of money." that is some funny stuff


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: ebay

I will hunt down that rotten bastard who is using my name on ebay. I heard he bought a Supertramp CD. He's making me look bad.


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: the band as an opening act

I was just looking through some concert posters on this web site. The ones from the 1990s kind of made me sad. The Band opening for the likes of CSN(minus Young) and Jimmy Buffet. These guys aren't even in The Band's league. Opening for The Dead was not so bad. The Dead were still huge in the early 90s.

Hard to believe. Playing with Dylan when he went electric, Woodstock, Last Waltz, Watkins Glen. Then seeing them reduced to a bar band and an opening act. I sure hate to remember them that way.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Ebay names

Oh wow, I assumed it was you. Somebody else is using WS Walcott for their Ebay name. I've seen Crazy Chester, also. Gotta love Band fans!


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: band authorized biography/last waltz dvd/dylan concert

Long Distance Operator = I bought the video on ebay a couple years back. Must have been some other guy you were bidding against. I thought Harry Dean Stanton was a great choice as narrator.

The cheapest price I have seen for TLW on DVD was at Walmart $21.99. They had 2 copies. Is it really worth it? I hear there is no new footage, just improved sound.

I bought my Dylan tickets the other day. He is playing here on Aug.9 (see Dylan web site). They were $58. apiece Cdn. that would be about $28. in U.S. currency. I thought $58. was a little steep. But then I heard some other prices, all U.S. prices: McCartney $250. The Who $300. CSNY $100. Billy Joel and Elton John (who really cares?) $150. I don't know if this info. is accurate, but if it is, the Dylan tickets were a bargain!


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Band / Doors / Monkees / & Neil

Well, it looks like The Band had very similar problems to the Doors. At least the Monkees were good at everything - with a little help from friend Neil Diamond.


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Buying Whispering Pines

Susan's Shopping Service

I can't find a phone number on the site, but the web site for HMV Canada is www.hmv.com. Search on Whispering Pines or Richard Manuel to go the the correct page. This looks to be cheaper than buying from Japan, which is what I did. Shipping to Canada and the US should be considerably cheaper. The site says the cd is special order, but I believe John D called them and reported that copies were in stock.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: The Band - Authorized Biography

Yeah! I just won the Authorized Biography on Ebay. Hey W.S. Walcott, was that you I was bidding against? If so, we should coordinate our efforts next time so as not to drive up the prices unnecessarily!


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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: Brien Sz's link

Interesting piece that Brien Sz put up.Enjoyed it and took critical reviews in stride till it says that the problem with The Band was no great lead singer, no great instrumentalist virtuoso, and no innovative songwriting... wha-huh?...


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

If someone would be kind enough to respond to Calvin's question in here, I would like to know also.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Great to see the Monkees/Nesmith posts. The story of the Monkees and how they tried to be a "real" band is a fascinating one if you check it out. Mike Nesmith put his fist through the wall of Don Kirschner's office because he wouldn't let them do their own stuff....I've mentioned this in here before, but go out anf ifnd an album called "Justus" (great title) - it came out only a few years ago, and it's the four original Monkees playing, and producing the whole CD. You'll be floored by the music. It is not what you'll be expecting.

My favorite two Nesmith trivia facts are - that he wrote Different Drum by the Stone Ponys - and his Mom invented Liquid Paper correction fluid, which is why he's so rich.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Question on Richard's Album

Does anyone have the phone number or website for The Canadian company releasing Whispering Pines. Unfortunately the posting has vanished and I want to order the album.


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Posted by:

Jenny T

The Monkees are my comfort food, my macs and cheese, because they remind me of being an innocent little girl circa 1968. I had no idea what half the songs were about--Cuddly Toy, She Hangs Out, etc.--but I loved the music and loved dancing around the living room with my sister and cousins and watching the show with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. BUT, Mike Nesmith is incredibly talented, and you have to wonder if people wouldn't be looking down on Stephen Stills if he had been selected as a Monkee--he tried out as most of you probably know. You Just May Be the One is a great song--he wrote a lot of great and very diverse tunes. I have been meaning to get a "Save the Texas Prairie Chicken" shirt for a while now--maybe it's time to break down before our trip to Austin.

I have a bunch of oh wow tunes, and probably a bunch that would be oh wow tunes if anyone ever played them anymore so I could remember them. I mentioned Linda Ronstadt's "You're No Good" here not too long ago and whined about never hearing her anymore, but my biggest is probably Simple Minds' "Don't You Forget About Me". That guy has the sexiest voice. In my first grown-up apartment in Boston we had to play that every morning--we just called it "the song"--and I still have the 45. I was surprised at the snide comments about Simple Minds in High Fidelity--I always thought they had a great sound anyway.

Also that Led Zep song that goes "oh oh oh oh oh oh, you don't have to go, oh oh oh oh." That kills me every time. Also Rollercoaster of Love by the Ohio Players and some Earth Wind & Fire songs, esp. because they were a guilty secret in high school--you couldn't listen to that kind of music if you were a "surfer" (meaning not Mexican or pretending to be Mexican.)


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: Jim Weider Band- Upstate NY/Downstate NY

Hope many of you can make it to see the Jim Weider Band this month. Saturday, 6/15 they are playing in the afternoon at the Sackett's Harbor Festival (free admission; near Watertown, NY). 4PM- they play with British fast-blues guitarist Albert Lee. 5PM- Levon and the Barn Burners with Dave Edmunds. 8PM- All-Star Jam with all the principals.

Downstate- Saturday 6/22 at the Towne Crier, Pawling, NY (Dutchess County), with Sid McGinnis sitting in. Great sound system there. Make a weekend of it by seeing them Sunday 6/23 8:30 PM at the Ramapo Valley Brewery, Suffern, NY. Yes, G-Man, they make their own beer there. It's easily accessible from NYS Thruway, 287, and Rt. 17. (Website- Ramapovalleybrewery.com) Only 82 miles from Woodstock.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Oh yeah, I forgot...

"Elusive Butterfly"


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Posted by:

yorktr

Location: East Street, West Street, North Avenoooooooo

Subject: Windtalkers

Anybody else here been eeeeeeeelectrifried by the snippet of RR's "Coyote Dance" used for the TV commercials publicizing the new movie "Windtalkers"?

Does anybody know if this tune is featured in the film, presumably in the opening credits? Any more of RR's NA music included? Is this a Dreamworks film? Did RR score or select music for the film? Have I nothing but questions?


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Posted by:

roz

Location: RainCity

Subject: "Oh Wow"

"Walk Away Renee" makes me say "Oh Wow" while reaching for the volume button. "Reach Out, I'll Be There" by The Four Tops does it too, "Betcha By Golly Wow" by The Stylistics and practically anything by Al Greene. The list is too long!!

I used to watch the Monkees on television as a 11 year old. I so looked forward to hearing one of those Nesmith songs done in that country style. It would make me shiver with delight.

Lil, All ya have to do to nail a mouse is to stand on the other side of the room and throw shoes at it or wack it with the yard-stick a couple times...they don't squeal or move too much after that, plus they don't turn around and walk back thru the door like they own the place !


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Posted by:

Bill

The Keith website says he changed his name from Barry Keefer to Bazza Keefer in honour of his mother. Was she Australian, by chance? I ask this because anyone I met in Australia named Gary was always called Gaza by his friends. I know not why.

Like Susan, I have room in my life for Crowded House's music. Part of it's because I loved Split Enz. And part of it's because when some clots in Toronto booed Richard Thompson when he opened for them 10 or 12 years ago, Neil Finn came out and said something like, "who are the dickheads booing for a great talent like Richard Thompson". Good for Neil.

It occurred to me while typing this that "hey now hey now", "hey hey my my", and "na na na na hey hey" are related not only in silliness but also in that they are all followed by lines about goodbyes of some kind. Cosmic, no doubt about it.


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Posted by:

Bones

There is a full page picture of the Band in the current issue of Blender Magazine (Ozzy on the cover). It is the picture where they are leaning on the Hudson (one of my favorites). The picture relates to a review of the Last Waltz.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Unintentional Band Links

Pat: Well what do you know? I actually knew that Neil Diamond wrote "I'm a Believer" (although it didn't occur to me when I posted about it).. but really had no clue that King Harvest did "Dancin in the Moonlight"! So now.. I guess that gives me 2 'get out of jail free cards' when I post about something that isn't linked to The Band (not that I've ever done that of course :-)

Have a nice evening everyone. I'm patiently waiting for my 11 year old son to come home from school so he can dispose of a mouse here who thankfully has all 4 legs stuck to a glue trap not even 5 feet away from me. First he'll laugh at me, then he'll roll his eyes.. and then he'll take it outside and "set it free". Sigh. (Hmm.. I guess i just used up one of those 'freebies', hm? :-)


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Posted by:

Bob

Location: New York

Subject: Rick Danko: another contribution to music history

Just finished the remarkable 800-page biography of Neil Young by Jimmy McDonough (title is SHAKEY)--and found (among other things) confirmation of a rumor I had heard years ago: that among his many other contributions to music, Rick Danko is also at least partially responsible for the fact that we have ever heard the record TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT, thought by most to be NY's best record.

The setting for the anecdote is a bungalow at the Chateau Marmont in LA (in the same bungalow where John Belushi would die several years later). Here's the quote (sorry about the language; it's from the book):

"It was late at night. We were all pretty fucked up, listenin' to tapes, on the edge," Young remembered. Present were Richard Manuel and Rick Danko of the Band, ... Bobby Charles, Ralph Molina and Billy Talbot of Crazy Horse, maybe others--no one present for this hazy event is quite sure of anything. "Danko, Neil and me were sittin' around the piano singing," recalled Molina. "I think we'd done a little meth, because when you do methedrine, the fuckin' harmonies so beautiful. We fuckin' sang and sang. It was Godlike." After they listened to _Homegrown_, _Tonight's the Night_--which happened to be on the same reel--came on. "Danko freaked. He said 'If you guys don't release this fuckin' album, you're crazy'." Young did just that, much to the consternation of Warner Bros.

"Everybody thought it was awful. Everybody I knew. CSN? Oh, they hated it--wouldn't even mention it. 'That's not a record'. Then you get guys like the Eagles, Glenn Frey especially--when we did that tour,... Glenn would come over and say 'Why are you doing this to yourself?'' ("Shakey," pp. 430-431)


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Posted by:

bob wigo


Web: My link

Subject: Keith's "98.6"

Just a quick note on the aforementioned artist and song. Barry Keefer, aka Keith, grew up only two miles from my childhood home and was a bit of a local legend.Check out the link above and you'll find he did a bit more than just "98.6". As always, visiting the GB provides me with countless reminders of just how far the music takes us.

A Band related birthday reminder.........Curtis Mayfield would have been sixty years old today.


Entered at Mon Jun 3 18:59:56 CEST 2002 from l4duppx2.hewitt.com (63.73.213.5)

Posted by:

Donald Joseph (again)

Subject: "Dixie" album mystery resolved...?

Perhaps the "Dixie" album issue is resolved: I just checked Amazon.com, and an anonymous reviewer posted a dead-on answer to my query (pasted below). This still leaves me to wonder why the reviewer at the Brien Sz site was so unequivocal the other way -- any of you have an opinion?

By the way, I assume this has to have been discussed before on the GB, but I myself don't remember having seen it. Sorry!

Here's a verbatim quote from Amazon.com:

"A number of Internet reviews and Band fanzines (including The Band's official website) have suggested that this CD contains outtakes from the famous 'Rock of Ages' sessions at the New York Academy of Music. Considering the sources of these rumours, the folks who've spread this info should know better. In reality, the album is just what the people at Capitol--to their mixed credit--say it is: an edited version of "Rock of Ages," covering what on the LP version was sides two and three, with their rousing versions of 'Don't Do It' and 'King Harvest' from side one thrown in for good measure.

"There is little doubt that it's the same versions of the songs--solos are note-for-note the same, something neither Robbie Robertson nor Garth Hudson had a reputation for doing, 'Stage Fright' has feedback from the vocal mike in the same spot as the 'Rock of Ages' version, and, if you listen carefully, you can hear Levon Helm hit his sticks together during the short drum break on 'Don't Do It.'

"The sound has been cleaned up since the first version of the CD was put out; there is considerably more separation between the instruments, and little things like the weird bass-drop-out at the top of 'Don't Do It' have been fixed.

"I suppose there's inherently [nothing] wrong with this CD--it does offer buyers a bargain introduction to The Band, and the performances on 'Rock of Ages' were extraordinary. Still, it's not much more than typical exploitation on Capitol Records [sic] part of the group, which has persisted since they broke up in 1976. In reality, there's little reason for this CD to exist (and the exclusion of Richard Manuel on the cover photo is both offensive and downright creepy). "


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: TNTDODD album

DJ, no question it's a shortened form of RoA.


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Posted by:

Donald Joseph

Location: Chicago

Subject: "The Night They Drove" album

Brien Sz's link does, indeed, make for interesting reading. It raises a critical question as to the album called "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down": I'd always seen this CD as a rip-off truncation of "Rock of Ages," so I never bought it. Indeed, I just checked, and the corresponding page on this website says that it is indeed just that, a "Rock" rip-off. But Brien Sz's link insitsts its full of alternate takes of the same songs, from other Academy of Music shows, on other nights (I think they played 3 consecutive nights), and even says at least one of the songs is a funkier version. Which is it -- rip-off or alt. takes? If it's alt. takes, the album is clearly a must-have for the Band-fan obsessive.


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: Oh, wow songs

I notice "Dancin' in the Moonlight" whenever it pops up on the radio that my office mate runs continuously; it seems to be in regular rotation. "Blue Bayou" shows up now and then, as does "Blue Train"; both are Linda Ronstadt songs that I'm happy to hear. Another one that caught me ear was Crowded House with "Don't Dream It's Over". I did not recall hearing that during it's 80s heyday because I was not listening to radio much then, but when it came round on the oldies station I liked it immediately. Other Crowded House did not appeal as much.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: 98.6 & Other One Hit Wonders...

Pat: I confess that I still have my original 45 of the one hit by that Keith guy myself. It's down in the basement with "Sunny" by Bobby Hebb, I think. One hit wonders, I guess, but those singles probably got higher in the BILLBOARD charts than anything by our guys...


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Drivin'

One song that makes me happy to be driving is "Cinnamon Girl"...definite "oh wow" song for me.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Lil

Lil, your possibly unintentional Band links from your last post: Neil Diamond wrote "I'm A Believer" and King Harvest did "Dancing In The Moonlight".

I'm repeating myself, but I've always been terribly taken by Keith's "98.6".


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Posted by:

Pepote Rouge

Location: NY

Subject: Papa Nez

Just adding my 2 cents......papa Nez's work with the First National Band is some of ther best "country rock" ever produced.....way less cheezy than the Eagles or any other of them copycat bands. Nez was doing it at the same time as the Band. ie (you just may be the one....nine times blue....carlisle wheeling...etc)


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland
Web: My link

Subject: Mike Nesmith and Book/CDs

Mike Nesmith has a website: Follow the link above, but it's graphics heavy if you're on a slow connection. Mike was also a pioneer in music videos... Maybe every silver lining has a cloud?

On books with CD music accompaniment or the like, I have to push Paul Burch's "Last of My Kind" again. Inspired by Tony Earley's novel, "Jim the Boy," it stands on its own. The novel is set in the North Carolina mountains in the 30s and the music has the same feel, without being affected. And far from simply accompanying the book, I found it brought a lot more depth to the characters than the book did.

In other words, the book is okay, the album is very good.


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto

Subject: Bap Kennedy

I am currently on a high from the music of Bap Kennedy. I'm sure Peter Viney is aware of Bap Kennedy........an Irish Folkie meets Country meets Singer-Songwriter on Steve Earl's label, E-Squared over here. I just wish I was aware of "Domestic Blues" when it came out in '98. First heard him lately in the movie Serendipity. Loved the song and now have purchased Domestic Blues and "Lonely Street." Do yourself a favor and go over to Amazon.com and check out this guy. Love the instrumentation and lyrics and his cover songs are great. Reminds me of the early 70's singer-songwriter era.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Band Reviews

Sink your teeth into this site guys and gals (see link) reviews and comments about our boys. The guy even gives kudos to this site which he obviously has investigated, though some of his review information is skewed if not just wrong (Watkins Glen). I think you'll get a good 15 minute kick out of this page, as well as some varying opinions.


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Posted by:

Lil Again

Subject: an addenda from my son

My 18 year old son just reminded me about "Another one bites the dust" by Queen. He tells me that him and his brother and sister all brace themselves for the inevitable brake-tapping that ol Mom does whenever that tune comes on. God I'm a menace on the road :-)

A funny Rick memory pertaining to that same tune: He was banging.. hard.. to the beat of that tune on a table we were sitting at one night.. and ended up bouncing a bottle of Tequila off the table and onto my foot. I had no shoes on. Ouch! We laughed...Or at least _he_ laughed. Once I got the feeling back in my foot, then _I_ laughed too :-)

Aaah... memories. Thank god for the ones that make us smile.

Have a good day everyone... especially you Jan. Hug from your heavy-footed friend :-)


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Mike Nesmith/The Monkees

Funny that the Monkees are mentioned in here. I usually listen to a local Mowtown station when I'm in my car (which is probably why I get so many speeding tickets :-), but sometimes I get in the mood for some of those "oldies" that you hear come on and find yourself saying "oh wow". I inevitably find myself saying that "oh wow" whenever a Monkees tune comes on. Could be because they were a part of my am radio childhood memories. I've always liked "Pleasant Valley Sunday" and "I'm a Believer" personally. Go figure, hm?

And speaking of that often exclaimed "oh wow" .. Im sure that some of you have a tune or two that makes you kind of say that whenever you hear it..espcially in the car. I also do it with that old tune 'Dancin in the Moonlight". Things I wouldn't go out and buy.. but yet.. on the car radio.. it's always great to hear these things again. Music that makes me happy to be driving, and constantly gets me pulled over by cops who want to know why I'm tapping my brakes for miles on a 4-lane highway :-)

Anyone else have any "oh wow" tunes?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Mike Nesmith

Mike Nesmith is truly under-rated (and nothing wrong with The Monkees anyway). In Peter Doggett’s “Are you ready For The Country?” compilation, he devotes THREE tracks to The Monkees – ‘Good Clean Fun (Nesmith)’. ‘Oklahoma Backroom Dancer (Murphy)’ and ‘Nine Times Blue (Nesmith)’ – in an album designed to show some seminal tracks in the country / rock interchange. The album is of the highest quality and full of intelligent choices (e.g. King Harvest for the Band, Rednecks for Randy Newman, Copperfields for The Dillards). This is what Doggett says:

“Well over a year before Gram Parsons and The Byrds allegedly ‘invented’ country rock, teen idol Michael Nesmith was using the smokescreen of the prefabricated pop band The Monkees to concoct exactly the same brew.”

I spent ages looking for ‘The Prison’, fascinated by the concept of “record + book – to experience simultaneously” , and I took it seriously too- it didn’t work. I have a book + cassette (a mystery story) with the same idea that I haven’t tried yet. Actually, I think that the idea would work best with a CD of songs generally evoking the same era as the story, without a deliberate attempt to link, but such an idea would founder on permissions.


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Posted by:

roz

Location: RainCity

Subject: Mike Nesmith

I am glad that someone besides me appreciates the music of this guy. He has one of the richest sounds I have ever heard, so rich you could almost eat it. That voice of his has always been something special. I don't give a damn whether he was a member of The Monkees or not, the guy's got something extra special. I wasn't very fond of those books he put on those two releases. One was called "The Prison" and the other was called "The Garden" He said "Listen to the cd and read the book at the very same time and see what it does for ya. But be sure not to start the music before the book or the book before the music" I followed the instructions but didn't get it. The other albums are absolutely wonderful tho. One of my very favorite artists.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Mary, Mary"

Yep, Butterfield released his recording of "Mary Mary" in 1966 and the Monkees' version wasn't released until the next year. But Michael Nesmith still wrote it. Like Sir Paul, he might not get much respect from pompus poseurs such as Dave Marsh and some of the highbrow, world-class musicians who post messages here, but I suspect that "Papa Nez" has been laughing all the way to the bank about that for thirty-five years or so now...


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Posted by:

Neil Diamond

Location: Mn.

Subject: Going your own way

In the fast paced world we live in, where getting ahead of everyone else is a priorty, where greedy CEO's part a corporation that they have run into the ground and are rewarded with millions of dollers of stock options and severance pay its refreshing to read about a young man named Pat Tillman, for those of you who do not know who he is Pat Tillman plays professional football for the Arizona Cardinals, or did I should say, that is until he inlisted to serve his country. Evidently he has talked about doing this for a while and decided after 9/11 that the time was right. Now were talking about a 25 year old who makes a million or so a year to go into the service, he has refused interviews and has not told the media where he is going for basic training, his only response has been that hes doing nothing more than all of the other young men and women are doing and wants no special recognition for this. People close to him are not surprised he is doing this, he is described as a person who gos against the flow and is not concerned if his choices are popular...by the way his younger brother who is a minor leauge baseball player is going with him, must be a family thing......congrats Mom and Dad


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Damn - I wrote a swell post about Lennon and McCartney - now it's gone.

Someone posted that JL had gotten back to a "normal" life in 1980 after five years of sitting in bed reading girlie magazines, and things to that affect. I pointed out that it was actually back in '75 when John returned to a normal life. He had reconciled with his wife, had a new son, finally had been given a green card to stay in the U.S.A., and for the first time in many years he wasn't tied to a record company. He enjoyed a normal home life raising his son - then in '80 he came back to the crazy music buisness.

I popped in my "Band is Back" video yesterday. It's that one from 1983 of a Canadian Concert with the newly reformed Band. It really is a wonderful video. The thing that strikes me the most is Richard. He is everything that he wasn't in TLW. He plays great piano, great drums, and his interview segments are terrific. I wonder if that will make it to DVD. There is a great shot during "Long Black Veil" looking across the stage showing Richard drumming, Rick on guitar singing, Garth on accordian, and Levon on mandolin. It would make a great photo. It amazed me to think that this footage is nearly twenty years ago, and only seven years after TLW.

Hey Jan - do you need us to pitch in a couple of bucks for that new disc? I'm in.


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Posted by:

Don Pugatch

Location: Roswell, Ga

Subject: TLW

This morning, Mike Kane, made radio history in Atlanta, with a 30 minute segment of TLW. Mike does a Blues Sunday show every Sunday from 9-11 AM, on the local radion station 92.9, Z 93, and today, he started playing a taste of TLW. Included in the show, some cuts by The Band, and also the songs with the Doctor, Bobby Charles, Paul Butterfield and ending with Caledonia. Mike, heres to you, great job. Don

PS It looks like the next couple of weeks, Mike will be doing another segment, and re introduce the music world to what we have known for years, is excellence


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Posted by:

yorktr

Location: Th' Centa udda Oith

Subject: Exxxccuuuuuuussse Meeeeeeeeeeee.....

If I'm not mistaken, East-West predates those awrfull Monkees...As I am older than the hills, I recall hearing East-West before that (peeuuiiee) "show" was on the air.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Butterfield Plays Nesmith & Lil, Lil, Lil...

Hey Jenny: it's funny you mentioned Butterfield's version of the Monkees' "Mary, Mary." I was just listening to that EAST-WEST album on CD for the first time the other day and I had not heard that version of the song for years. It just goes to show that Paul Butterfield could make almost anything into a blues song.

The thirteen minute and ten second instrumantal title track of that album also struck me as something that could have been a big influence on the later sound of the Allman Brothers. Mike Bloomfield was certainly a guitar pioneer in a lot of ways and Butterfield always had a knack for finding fine players for his band.

Finally: Lil, Lil, Lil...


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Posted by:

MIKEY LENAHAN

Location: Clinton,NJ

Subject: Jim Weider Band

What a storm last night (5-31) in NYC. The lightning and rain was so intense I completely missed the Lincoln and Holland Tunnel. I has to settle for the GWB. As I was listening to the stereo, I overheard the DJ say that there was a Tornado watch in effect until 12 midnight for all of NYC and Central Jersey. I was able to brave the storm and make it to the Village Underground. Rick, Pat and Ruby were all there. It was great to see everyone. As The Jim Weider Band took the stage, I witnessed 5 tornados touch down on that stage. The energy was overwhelming. Jim and Sid played like i've never seen before. I'm sure both of there guitars are still smoking in the case. Dan, well Dan went wild. I think he might need a new keyboard after last night. Albert "the mad G" Hatter slapped that bass till it screamed " Dont' Do It ". As for Randy, All I can say is, "HOLY SH*T". The drum solos were a killer. You are the best drummer by far. Thank You for the great music. G- Man you missed a good one. But with the energy these guy's have, there is more GREAT music to come. Also It was good to finally meet Crabgrass. Good fella. Missed you G,D and Frankie A Hey Levon and Butch I'll see you at the Black Potatoe Fest in July. Peace


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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Chasing the Dragon/Mary Mary

Amanda: Let me know what you think after you read it. I doubt I will read it again--it was interesting but once is enough--so if anyone else wants it, let me know.

I was listening to a Butterfield album my friend gave me recently, and was surprised it had Mike Nesmith's Mary Mary on it. It sounded very different from (and not as catchy as) the Monkees' version, not so surprisingly I guess. I always liked that tune.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: TLW & other stuff

Call me slow, but I got to the commentaries on the DVD today. I just haven't had the time to really focus. I decided that today was the day...no matter what...if the kids wouldn't nap...oh well...if they got loud...I would crank the volume louder. I did it and it was beautiful! Every observation was special, but the ending with Dr. John, then Levon and finally Garth playing "Little Island" (my favorite song on his album)...this really touched my heart...definitely gives you one more thing to believe in.

Jenny and Susan: Thanks for the help with Cathy Smith's book. I ended up getting the $7.95 copy from Alibris. Jenny, you were so sweet to offer your copy. There are really great people that hang out around here...that has been proven to me many times over the last few weeks.

Jan: Just like Levon wrote in my book...KEEP ON ROCKIN'...Thanks for making so many things possible!

Butch: If the show had been in Montgomery, ALABAMA...I would have been there...don't you know it! Those guys have it made...Levon...Bob Dylan...wow.


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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Disks

BWNWITennessee: It's not the size of the disk that counts, but how well it functions :-)

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.


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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

e-mail: bwnwitenn@hotmail.com

Hey Jan, I've got a big disk!


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Posted by:

Harry (& Mim, by marriage)

Location: Bucks County, PA USA Earth

Subject: Band/Byrds, GP

Friends:

We all know the Band/Byrds connection vis a vis the idolatry paid to the Minnesota Bard by the LA ex-folkies (and hnece, by default, to his Bobness' great "backing band).

Biggest draw for us to the Byrds' music was (after the "initial group" phase and subsequent implosion) the addition of CLARENCE WHITE and his hot country guitar.

Clarence,a good friend of Mr. Gram Parsons (and admired by him to no small degree) graced many a recording with his AMAZING telecaster licks. Listen to CW and Ry Cooder share the guitar duties on such Randy Newman songs (for instance on "12 songs") as "Mama Told Me Not To Come" and "Old Kentucky Home." These examples stand up nicely in comparison to his work with The Kentucky Colonels and on later Byrds "country oriented" releases.

Clarence White, James Burton, and Robbie Robertson will always reside in my pantheon of "guitar heroes..."

"Rockin' My Life Away" JLL


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: TLW and NYC

Thanks for the TLW missing footage info! It would also seem that MS has diiferent copies of varying quality lieing around, for if you watch Jam #2, you can clearly see specs and dirt on the film, so it appears to be a 16mm home reference copy. That being the case, you would thing MS may have, if not the pristine 35mm originals, at least 16mm home copies. I am off to New York City for the week for work. Any of you natives know of anything happening in Manhatten this week music-wise?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: TLW video

My memory served me well(ish). There is a balcony video, but the quality is appalling. They’re just blurred silhouettes – multiple copies + NTSC emulated into PAL doesn’t help. Sound is decipherable though. Georgia’s there, and Richard’s blurred shape seems to be sitting holding the mic for most of it. But there are loads of jumps – it cuts out during Dr John, then leaps to Mannish Boy (missing Butterfield and Charles), only a bit of that, then into All Our Past Times which after a verse or so leaps into Further On Up the Road. You get a bit of Acadian Driftwood with Garth walking to the front on accordion, a few seconds of Evangeline, no Van (or Neil Diamond), straight into Dylan. Conserving batteries may have been the problem. I’ve had it a while and tried to watch it years ago, but it is largely unwatcheable. And I don't have the equipment to copy it. Sorry in advance!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: video bu

I'd very much doubt that any official video back-up was run in 1976 - video was still in its comparative infancy, and though TV stations were already archiving on (open-reel) tape, I don't think they were in the habit of referencing 35mm film in that way in 1976. I first saw a Philips cassette system around 1972. I was using open reel in the early 70s, and U-Matic around the second half of the 70s. Without searching, wasn't there an amateur video from the balcony? I thought there was.


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Posted by:

Susan

Subject: TLW and GB addiction

JTull, the outtakes are lost, according to Robbie and Marty. MS says they are probably in his house in an unlabeled or mislabeled box. I suppose that's better than being lost in the MGM film vault, but you'd think for a project of this kind he could have had someone look for the tapes. Had I known I'd have taken a month's vacation and volunteered for the job. Maybe the outtakes will be found and we will get another version of the DVD with some of them included. I'd certainly buy it again. This seems to be a common tactic with DVD issues: I know people who are planning to buy two versions the The Lord Of The Rings because the extra material is different on each version.

Now I know I am addicted to the GB. I was away from all computer activity for 5 days; each day I wondered at least once what you all were talking about here. Then I got back and the server crashed. I forlornly hit the reload button every time I was online. Then, adding to my frustration, WOMR was not available online when I made a special effort to stay up to hear the featured Band broadcast. But this morning everything is better; the GB is back. Thanks, Jan, for your efforts. Crashes are bad at any time, but this one must have been caused by all the new interest generated by TLW releases and articles. It's pleasant to know that people are discovering or rediscovering The Band and have enough interest to search out available information.


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Posted by:

Joe

Location: Arcata, CA

Subject: Final songs of Summer Jam at Watkins Glen

Hey all; I've read numerous times that members of all 3 bands at Summer Jam at Watkins Glen (The Band, Grateful Dead & Allman Bros) were on stage for the finale but none of the writers ever get specific about those personnel. Can anyone give me details or point me to photos that document the final moments of that historic concert? Thanks, JMH


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Posted by:

JTULL Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: TLW DVD

I've belatedly gotten the TLW DVD and have viewed it on my computer with the exception of the audio commentaries and some of the extra features. While I LOVE the new sound and picture quality, I must say I am dissappointed at the lack of archival material, with the exception of Jam #2. I noticed it states that there is no additional archival material. Was it lost or is it just in bad condition? I can't believe more of the concert was not shot, if only on video. Most films, when shot, also have a video back up to make it easier to watch the dailies and as a quick reference. Does any such TLW video exist? I realize the most of you would have no such knowledge, so I ask my questions to the wind, but any ideas out there?


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: Levon & Friends

i dont savvy all that computer speak jan said,,,, but if ya missed it,,,,

Levon & The Barn Burners played a show & a 1/2 on saturday,,,

with Larry Campbell on Strat, Tony Garnier on acoustic Bass, Jimmy Vivino on scorching horn-sounding piano,,,,,,our hero, Levon, played & smiled his ass off, with the Barn Burners,,, Pat & Chris prove they can play with anyone when they play with these world-class cats,,,

They did all the Barn Burner classics,,as well as Muddy, SonnyBoy,Wolf, Walter & more,,

Tony's bass & Levon's drums were groovin as one unit,, as were their smilin at each other,, & Larry & Pat tradin licks,, really,, it was so cool/hot that jimmy v got up off his piano & took his fedora & was "coolin "chris down,, a la The Hawk in TLW,,,

we were under a metal picnic gazebo, with about 150 lucky people ( included rob stoner & charlie lyonheart)who couldnt believe their eyes & ears,,,,

more magic from Levon ,,,,the "hits" just keep coming,,,,


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Reply to a lost query from Bill!

This was a correction to an error I made which is now thankfully lost in the ether: Bill- Wyman’s Stone Alone is meticulous on dates (based on his diaries), and does put the Hammond session as June 23rd 1966, and says Dylan popped in. Meaning just after the Hawks returned from Europe. In Blues Odyssey he puts it at June 23rd 1966 also- all my fault – the paragraph starts ‘In November 64 …,’ but refers to seeing Hammond elsewhere at that time. Then later in the paragraph he dates it as 23 June 66, which means The Jabberwock advert was indeed 5 months later in December 1966. Still an interesting coincidence that he played at a venue sounding so like that mis-credited BARDS single The Jabberwocky, which discographies credited erroneously to the BAND for years.


Entered at Sun Jun 2 15:37:29 CEST 2002 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Server problems

We've had problems with The Band web server. A disk failure on Friday stopped the interactive services (chat room and guestbook). It should be OK again for now, but we've lost a few days of guestbook entries. The disk is still unstable. My radiolink to the internet at home is malfunctioning too (faulty antenna), so if the disk crashes again it may take a while until it is fixed. The main problem is that the site traffic is very heavy and the disks close to maximum capacity. Will try to get someone to cash out for new, faster and bigger disks soon.


Guestbook entries between May 27 and June 2 were lost, due to a disk failure.


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