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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, March 2003

Below are the entries in the Band guestbook from March 2003.

The guestbook was temporarily closed down on March 3, opening again on the 5th.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: North Star Show

I shall be attending as well...I hope to meet both Donna and Butch...and any other fan of the band.

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Costello Pix

To all who enjoyed the Costello pix, it was my pleasure, glad you liked em'. Thanx for the thanx.


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Posted by:

John Huber

Location: Alton, Illinois (right on the Mississippi)

Subject: First Contact

This is not a comment about the BAnd or website really. I was wondering if the memebers have any connections with this site. I just wanted to say that I am a 20 year old who loves their music. I know that one of the best compliments you can give a musician is that their music is timless, and I just wanted to pass that on in some way. I am a musician that has recently become immersed in the Band's music. I was wondering if their is anyway to contact Mr. Robertson. I am sure that he doesn't talk with just anybody, but I am always looking for new people to play music with and learn from and it would be amazing to learn from the best. I never understood the huge divide between people that play good music and people that like their music. I realize that meeting Mr. Robertson is out of the question, but if thier is anyway i could write him I would be grateful to anyone that could give me that information.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Don't get around much anymore …

So good to hear from you, old pal. I don't travel much nowadays - not sure if it's fortunately or unfortunately. However, I'm flattered to see that you have such a keen interest and bother to keep notes on my past travels. That's real real love.

On the topic of real, real love … Has anyone checked out the Beatles Anthology DVDs (out today)? They're in 5.1 and there's an extra 81 minutes on the 5th DVD … but I can't say I've played the original video set much, so I'm holding back.


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Posted by:

Kay

Subject: The Great Divide

Bones, I think I said most were fans of RR's music, and I can't recall anyone dissing him on that score. I confess to liking some of it myself. There's just not much happening in that department anymore except for the Native American stuff, which I guess I have heard some say they didn't care for.

I agree that the controversy is a drag, but injustice p*sses me off.....when I was leaving the Last Waltz screening in SF in December, someone behind me said "I had no idea the rest of the band was so involved with the music." It wasn't an accident that she was so clueless.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Re: Band members' session work

Nice list, Peter Viney! And let me say, one of my favorite things about Jan's site has always been the Band discography section with all the info about session work...through it, I've discovered countless great albums and artists I never would have found otherwise. Taking up your invite to list best Band-member session tracks, here's a couple more of my favorites:

Bobby Charles, "Tennessee Blues" (exquisite Garth accordian)

Tom Pacheco, "Woodstock Winter", "Four Angels" (beautiful Rick harmonies, along with Garth and most of the '90s Band)

Borderline, "Don't Know Where I'm Going" (Richard on piano)

Eric Andersen, "Soul of My Song", "Make It Last" (Rick & Garth)

Muddy Waters, "Why Are People Like That" (Levon)



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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Traveling Man

Peter, I too enjoy hearing from you or anyone else here that has the opportunity to see our world. I hope you get to visit all the places on your wish list and that you continue to report back about your trips. Thank you for sharing your good fortune.


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Posted by:

Bones

Kay: I think it's interesting that you feel that the majority of GBers are huge Robbie fans. I think most here would disagree with you. Actually, I love all the pro-Levon and pro-Robbie comments here. I just get upset when they start bashing each other. I've said it here many times before, but I prefer to remember a time when they were brothers.

Did any of our Canadian friends see Robbie perform live last weekend? I read he played "Makin' A Noise" using the family friendly lyrics he used at the Olympics.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Frank = great man! Enjoy.

I have no jealous and neurotic reaction to Peter Viney - or anyone - talking about thier travels.

I attended the Beatlefest yesterday in N.J. It's gotten to be a bit of a big money rip-off in some ways, but I like to go every few years to check it out and mingle with Beatle-peeples. The big guest was Donovan who sat with an acoustic guitar and did a little George Harrison tribute. He told some stories and played some tunes. He did "Here Comes The Sun", Give Me Love(Give Me Peace on Earth)", and a song he'd written about George that I didn't get the title of. Very nice.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Joni on U.S. TV on Emmylou's Birthday; John Guerin

Many American PBS affliates are scheduled to run an hour-long documentary about Joni Mitchell this Wednesday evening, April 2, the same day Emmylou Harris turns 56. Those "Last Waltz" women keep rolling along.

It's nice to see Johnny Guerin mentioned here as he is a major league drummer who has worked with Joni, McGuinn and his Byrds, as well as an amazing array of others from Sinatra to Zappa.


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Posted by:

Kay

Subject: oh goody

Another gutless anonymous poster drops by with insults for the regulars....

anyone else recognize the writing style??? when people say they're leaving for good, they should leave.....for good.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Robben Ford

Dave tpg: Like The Band & its individual members, Robben Ford has also played with Joni Mitchell & Charlie Musselwhite. He even toured once with George Harrison. And like Garth Hudson, Mr. Ford can also play a mean sax.


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Posted by:

John W.

Oops, did I say Poland? I meant Austria and Czechoslovakia!


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Posted by:

maddas, again

There you go, while I was typing the last entry, Viney's been to a Blue Jay ball game. :)


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: Canada in WWII

PeterV: I believe that Canada declared war two or three days after the UK because the PM of the day wanted to signal to Quebec that the country wasn't just hopping automatically to British decisions, as was certainly the case in WWI (though not, interestingly enough, in the Boer War). I've always found it footnoteworthy that a war started to keep Poland free ended in victory - but with Poland being terribly unfree for another half-century.


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Posted by:

maddas

Location: Mesopotamia

Subject: Viney the gypsy

Funny how our revered motormouth, musicologist, historian, makes sure he informs us how well travelled he is. He's been to Mexico, Niagara Falls, Spain, California, Japan, Disneyworld :) Vancouver, Cuba, on and on. Just waitnig for his next post in which he'll sneak in a story about his further globetrotting. As if anyone gives a hoot. But the next person who correctly guesses (without cheating) where Viney will go, gets a prize.

While I'm at it re: Dener, the guy who mentioned "how many sugar lumps" is right on the money. Musicians in these parts call guys like that "mud flaps". In other words, kiss ass, go-fers, wannabes. Dener the soothsayer is not expensive. I hear from informed sources that he comes cheap. A few morsels tossed hiss way occasionally satisfies his super groopie obssesion.


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Posted by:

Bill

Last week I picked up Vol 2 of the Woody Guthrie tributes. I'd not bought it when it was easily available because I'd understood that our guys were only on Vol 1, backing Dylan. However, all five members are in the list of participants. Robbie and Rick can be picked out in a ensemble photo (of, presumably the grand finale), and Rick, Levon and Richard are in a photo of Odetta on stage - though Rick's sitting down, and Abu Spike is playing stand-up bass.

The only musical evidence of their involvement is, by my ears, backing Arlo Guthrie singing "Jesus Christ". This will be marginally interesting to regular GBers because that song is essentially a rewritten "Ballad of Jesse James" ("That dirty little coward, named Judas Iscariot, who laid poor Jesus in his grave"), which we discussed some weeks ago - in the context of the Danville train. And also because there's a prominent fiddle on the song, meaning that Gib Guilbeau is on the track - he being the only fiddler in the credits - and we were talking last week about the Burritos.

Malvina Reynolds's "Little Boxes" came up again last week. A nice version of that song, mais en francais, is the McGarrigles' contribution to Vol 2 of the excellent Pete Seeger tribute, "If I Had a Song", which I got out of the public library a couple of weeks ago. As soon as I read the liner notes, especially Eric Anderson's insistence that it be noted that he played Rick Danko's guitar on a powerful version of "Snow", that I realised that that's why we were all atwitter about Seeger 58 weeks ago. The reason why I know this was 58 weeks ago is that I had just arrived in Sydney, and, unable to sleep due to the time difference, wandered down to the hotel's 'internet cafe' (ie stuffy phonebooth) and logged on here at 3:00 AM to find PeteV having a go at PeteS and others coming to the great man's defence. I'd wondered at the time why Seeger had even come up. Anyway, is there any Band involvement in Vol 1 of the Seeger tribute?


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Posted by:

Lil

Joe: (Hi! :-)..and thanks for sharing the wonderful photos! It's always nice to check into this site and find stuff like that. Good for the soul.

I have several e-mails here from people asking if someone in the chatroom who calls themself "diamond" is me. It is _not_. Thanks.

Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: 1939 And All That

John W: Germany invaded Poland at 5.45 am on September 1st 1939. Britain and France issued a 48 hour ultimatum for them to get out at 11 a.m.. That expired on September 3rd at 11 a.m. and war was declared. I believe Canada declared war simultaneously, because I see that the “British Commonwealth” was at war at that point. I think that two days is sufficiently faster than two years and two months, and given communications in those days I doubt that the Poles thought Britain slow. Many of the Polish air force escaped to Britain and fought with remarkable courage in the Battle of Britain in 1940, and many of them settled in Britain (and Canada) after the war. Which is why we had quite a few Anglo-Polish kids at school with me in the 1950s. In 1945 Churchill wanted to continue fighting and liberate Poland (and the rest of the Eastern bloc), but he was removed from power. Churchill lost the 1945 election because the British people realized that while idealists are good at fighting wars, pragmatists are far better at keeping the peace. (And according to my Great Uncle Ben the people never forgot Churchill turning troops on the strikers in 1926). Norman Mailer’s “The Naked & The Dead” explains this point in a microcosm of the Pacific war too. The parallel is that both Bush and Blair are “idealists” in their world view.

And it was me who quoted Robbie this very day, ‘There’s a time and a place.’ Just broken my own rule. And also, I’ve only seen once baseball game live, and it was the Blue Jays, who as a result I’ve wanted to win in subsequent televised games.

Robben Ford- I don’t know who the LA Express line up was. Wish there was a bootleg!


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Posted by:

Frank

Location: London

Subject: New Fan

Just wanted to let everyone know I've just discovered The Band. A friend lent me the video of The Last Waltz and now I have the dvd. Truly Truly Magnificent. At 40 I'm a bit young and was into punk/new wave/bowie/talking heads etc. Now my 9 year old son knows the words to The Weight.


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Posted by:

Dave tpg

Subject: obvious why these two posts could not be combined

Serge,

Thankyou for contributing the wonderful photo of Richard Manuel.That is a great performance photo.Performance photos are the best images of musicians.

Thanks to Joe Lore also.Nice to see recent action shots of our favorite musicians too.


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Posted by:

Dave tpg

Subject: Tom Scott and the L.A. Express

Peter Viney,

Do you recall if Robben Ford was the guitarist with the L.A. Express at the Wembley '74 concert? This could be another Robben Ford link to The Band other than he also played at one time in Miles Davis' group. I spoke to Robben Ford last Saturday and Sunday after shows in the Reno area but I never seem to remember to ask "The Band" type related questions when I get the oportunity. Another important member of the L.A. Express was the bass player Max Bennett.He is a very good player.

next post


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Posted by:

John W.

John D. - I hope you realize, the vast, vast majority of Americans strongly condemn the actions of any idiots who try to intimidate Canadians or anyone else who peacefully oppose U.S. policy... Verbal jousting is one thing, but taking it to physical action or intimidation is definitely a crime... As for the border issues, I hope you will continue coming to the U.S. frequently, but I hope you understand that the kind of open-door, easy-in easy-out Canadian/U.S. border policy which we have enjoyed for so many years has to be, at least temporarily, hardened up a bit. It's not anything to punish decent people like you. It's only acting responsibly to protect our citizens from the threat of terrorist attacks. We can't drive from New Jersy to New York any more without massive delays for security checks. It sucks, but in the current circumstances it would be irresponsible to do anything else.

I noticed the Montreal fans booed our National Anthem last week, I expect more of the same tonight when the Yankees open the season in Toronto. It does not help, the ad the Blue Jays took out in the Toronto papers today, showing a Yankees cap splattered with bird poop and "Boo Matsui" in Japanese writing. But I take this stuff as good natured ribbing, as long as it remains verbal and not physical. I think we have a long way to go before the friendship between the U.S. and Canada will truly be in jeopardy. (By the way, as you mentioned how long it took the U.S. to get involved in WWII after Canada and the U.K. were fighting: The Polish people asked the same thing about Canada and the U.K. when they were invaded!) Cheers.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: PV

Just taking your analogy of the car breakdown a mite further, the same principle surely goes with charity /warm-heartedness. I don't think it is a romanticised perspective. I think it's generally the case. Certainly it's my experience. The less folk have to give then invariably the more they're prepared to give to those they see as less fortunate. There must be some mathematical formula to prove such generosity of spirit. Fact is ragged trousered philanthropists sure seem thin on the ground. Whether it's helping fix broken down cars or supporting worthy causes it tends to be ornery folk are the ones prepared to muck in as we say.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Joe Lore: Thank you so much for sharing your nice pics!!!! I think it is soooo righteous that Levon (& Garth for that matter) continue to support the next generation... God bless 'em for it... And we hadn't heard anything about Amy in a while... so that was really nice too... What a smile...


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: previous note from some other Bill

Whoever it was at cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com, he or she ain't me. I didn't/wouldn't call Butch or anyone else a loser.


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Subject: Post-Script - North Star Show

Butch: Please bring your camera, I will try my best to fit everyone in the picture this time! :D


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Peter Viney: Interesting that the talented Steve Gadd is touring with James Taylor. That probably explains why he didn't play with Paul Simon the other week at the Oscar Awards. The highlight of that show for me was watching the great Jim Keltner on drums behind Mr. Simon, who did appear to be enjoying himself onstage much more than he did at the Grammy Awards with old friend Art Garfunkel.

Steve Gadd has had a long association with Paul Simon, both in the studio and on tour. Like many drummers, Mr. Gadd played in a marching band in school. After setting up his drum kit, Mr. Gadd often does a warm-up exercise that incorporates an intricate series of rolls used in a marching cadence. The story goes that, one day in the studio, Paul Simon heard Mr. Gadd playing that marching band cadence and was inspired to use it a song he was working on. The song of course was "50 Ways To Leave Your Lover", which proved to be very a successful recording for Mr. Simon. When I hear that song, I can't help but think of a band, marching off the field at half-time during a football game, all the instruments silent except for the drummers, strutting their stuff as they play a funkified cadence.

John D.: I'm not familiar with Mary Gauthier, but will have to check out her music. Another musical discovery for me from reading the guestbook! Thanks again John for another tip.

Great to hear about Amy & Levon in the studio with Sean Costello. Mr. Costello, like John Mayer, is another rising star from the music scene down here in Hot L'anta, Georgia.


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Posted by:

Gerry (the builder)

Subject: Al Edge

Dig it Man


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Levon's Blues Band will be playing at the North Star Cafe, here in Philly, April 18'th. The North Star Cafe is a large venue, and is usually sold out when Levon comes to town! Looking forward to seeing Bob Wigo, Frankie Ahart, G-Man & his girlfriend Donna, and hopefully other guestbook poster's there!



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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Heaven

Sure would Pete - agree that is - on the button mate - human communion is where it's at - sad that ALL the powers that rule don't see it that way.

Anyroad, keeping it to Rick's neighbourhood proportions lest we forget how magnificent this place is...

[Due to THE BAND, of course - and a Norwegian]

One tiny example...

The Gourds were unknown to me until a certain Ed Voci [or his real personna anyroad - any one of 6 or 7 equally brilliant ones] was kind enough to enlighten me to the Gourd's majesty through this wonderful GB.

Since when I have availed myself to the complete charm and invention of this marvellous band and been inspired by what I've been exposed to.

I give you an example

I have worked my life - for better or worse - in construction. I love it - and loathe it. Come what may, I cannot ignore it as it has been my life.

'All the Labor' is The Gourds take on 'construction'.

It celebrates the victory of the small man. In this particular case the JCB excavator driver. He digs - not as in Hippies but rather as in holes in the ground. At its best it is an exquisite skill I personally have admired since the very first building site I worked on back in '68. Gerry the Hymac digger on the Seaforth Dock could pick up a mug of tea from a mound of earth without spilling a single drop. Skill? You betcha. Applause? You betcha. As loud as ANY applause The Band EVER had.

So what have the Gourds to say of this? How do they capture the likes of Gerry's gift for digging in the ground. The art - nay spirit - of an ordinary working man reaping the gifts bestowed upon him from above - or wherever.

I'll tell yer.

Jimmie Smith - joint lead songsmith ahhmm - puts it thus [re digging holes in the ground]:-

" If they pay me

Then that's great

It's just gravy

I'd do it anyway"

So go four of the greatest lines I - personally - have ever chanced upon in rock. Human spirit. Human art. Human capability...just so human.

That's why I love this place.

It's enriched my spirit.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Trivia = name Foghorn Leghorn's cousin.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: rooster cogburn

I'm a little red rooster

Too lazy to crow for day

n I'm a little red rooster

Too lazy to crow for day

Keep everything in the barnyard

Upset in every way

Dogs begin to bark now

And the hounds begin to howl

Dogs begin to bark now

And the hounds begin to howl

watch out stray cat,

The little red rooster's on the prowl

If you see the little red rooster

Won't you please drive him home

If you see the little red rooster Won't you please drive him home

Been no peace in the barnyard

Since that little red rooster's been gone

w. dixon


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Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: ATTENTION DAVID POWELL!!!!!

Just two words David that you probably have already heard.

MARY GAUTHIER.

I am speechless about this woman's song writing talent, voice and instrumentation.


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: annoying vocalists

sunday evening on the comedy station here in the land of the free, the program "just for laughs", featured a comedian doing a routine, that had him performing queens "bohemian rhapsody" feauturing his impression of twenty five of the most annoying vocalists in pop music. the first was bob dylan and then onto the end with axil rose, but fifth in line was non other than robbie robertson. sorry he was the only one featured from the band. interesting, huh?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Not to defend rednecks but...

Although there are some areas of overlaps with skinheads, I would say these are the minority. Rednecks are generally rural and uneducated, and although often xenophobic or rascist, this is not a requirement to redneckdom. I and other Yankee transplants here have had many redneck encounters, but none threatened to reach 'Deliverance' levels. Skinheads also exist here, albeit in smaller numbers, and they do not necessarily cull their numbers from rednecks. A skinhead in the U.S. as much as in Europe I would imagine, is more likely to be some urban, rather than rural, societal dropout. So to summarize: Redneck: Provincial, may or may not be rascist. Skinhead: Rascist, violent and ignorant by choice. May be but not necessarily a redneck.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Steve Gadd

Tracy- thanks for the link to the Steve Gadd site- the discography is awesome. There can hardly be any to compare with it. What I did notice was that Steve Gadd was in the 1975 version ofTom Scott & The LA Express, replacing John Guerin (who played on Miles of Aisles, Hissing of Summer Lawns) - so which of them was playing at the Band gig at Wembley September 1974? Both are great drummers. I do recall Tom Scott & The LA Express’s solo spot as being a highlight of the day, eclipsing CSNY and Joni Mitchell’s sets. Crabgrass was there too. In the last few months I've seen Steve Gadd, Jim Keltner and Brian Blades. Wish I'd seen Levon in the period to make up the set!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Robbie quote

Thanks to BEG for the Canadian Press link. A quote from it:

Robertson has many opinions on the war - mostly, that it's wrong and an archaic way to try to rid the world of a dictator- but he said he wasn't planning any commentary when he hits the stage at the sold-out National Arts Centre.

"I think that there's a time and place for things."


"I think that there's a time and place for things."


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Posted by:

AarCanaduh

Location: Toronto

Subject: Credit or the lack thereof...

Why is it that "Brown Eyed Girl" is the only one who ever gets credits for sending information links for the updates page?


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Third and 110

Yes, the Canadian football field is 110 yards long. Also, there are only 3 downs in Canadian football. The LP title "Third Down 110 to Go" would have been "Fourth Down 100 to Go" if Jesse had stayed in the U.S.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Peter: I don't know much about Jesse Winchester, but I do know he's from the American South but relocated to Canada to dodge the Vietnam draft. I have a feeling that "Third Down 110 to Go" is a reference to Canadian-rules football, in which the field is 110 yards long--probably a bit of "culture shock" for an American used to a 100-yard field.

Another Band guest appearance I enjoy is Garth and Rick on "Gone Again" by the Indigo Girls (featuring a little "spoken word" intro by Garth as he fiddles with his keyboards) and Garth on "Ozilline" from the same album, Come On Now Social. But I was a fan of the Girls even before then, so I'm biased.


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Posted by:

Rudiment

Location: Toronto

Subject: MATT Tuinstra Ronnie Hawkins Early Band

Matt I enjoyed your comments about trying to play like the Band and only 15 years old. I recomend you listen to Ron Hawkins before they split eg; Come Love Screw Lose and many more it will help you understand there roots. You picked a great model good luck.


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Posted by:

Ray again

Web: My link

Subject: KANU-FM

...now they're playing Pete Seeger playing "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and "This Land is Your Land"--what a hero, even if he did try to cut Dylan's juice off at Newport...


Entered at Mon Mar 31 01:06:35 CEST 2003 from 21.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.21)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Damn Good Radio Station

Here in Kansas we've got the worst budget deficit in the state's history, which is of course making schools and people with disabilities go without first of all, but there is a great public radio station here at the University of Kansas (you can listen on the web, KANU-FM). They have a show called Trail Mix, today they've played Pete Seeger, Tom Pacheco, and the Dixie Chicks--prior to today I'd never listened to the Chicks, always ignorantly assuming they were on the same level as Shania Twain or Faith Hill. But now of course I have good reason to listen to them, and am glad to be one of the new fans they will pick up to replace the UnAmerican ones...

the only thing the Chicks shouldn't have done was apologize...


Entered at Mon Mar 31 00:09:04 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

I believe it is generaly agknowledge that Foghorn Leghorn was lifted from a charactor that appeared on Fred Allen's radio show as part of "Allen's Ally."


Entered at Sun Mar 30 23:41:54 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-250.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.250)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jesse Winchester / sentimental musings

Dave – get the first Jesse Winchester album with all of it, before either of the two antholgies, because every track on the first Jesse Winchester is truly “essential”. Some good suff from “Third Down 110 To Go” (whatever that means) on the anthology, but like the brown album the original Ampex “Jesse Winchester” is complete in itself.

Musings – it’s hard to categorize people. A year or two ago I was driving along the awful London South Circular road and a minibus (van) full of people in burqas was stuck in the inside lane, broken down. A bunch of skinheads in football scarves had stopped and were attempting to restart it. OK, skinheads (UK) = “rednecks” (USA). People renowned for racist opinions. But you know if your car breaks down, the most likely people to stop and help are the least prepossessing-looking folk, while the politically-correct cruise by and ignore you.

Yobs do tend to stop and help people who break down. Maybe I’m romanticizing / sentimentalizing, but we have had some horrendously unpleasant racist remarks on this site. I like to tell (or persuade) myself that these are extreme examples of “tall talk” in the 19th century Southern US tradition, and that the perpetrators are in fact … well, I might say “more mouth than trousers” (I assume you would too, Al?), or “their bark’s worse than their bite” or in plain terms bullshitters. But not seriously nasty, and given a broken down vehicle in the snow with (say) a Palestinian woman and kids, would be the first to stop and tow them out. Am I sentimentalizing? I hope not.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 22:30:06 CEST 2003 from c-24-245-34-235.mn.client2.attbi.com (24.245.34.235)

Posted by:

lonesome lurker

a few years ago ol foghorn did some tv commercials and he went from saying - boy- to saying - son- suppose that was due to certain uh sensabilities since he was a big white rooster with a southern US voice. Love the Band and the GB no need to split it I know how to scroll and do so often . stay cool all


Entered at Sun Mar 30 22:17:35 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Butch

Thanks! That may be an Ian Anderson w/ orchestra show. I will have to check. I am thinking of either Wolftrap or Foxwoods around that time. You may want to give it another chance though, and I have met lots of Band fans at Tull shows, so there is an overlap of interests, and ya gotta support those remaining 'dinosaurs'.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 21:54:23 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Joe

Foghorn was a rooster......."I say it's a joke son, a joke"

The young chicken always saw the chicken hawk.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 21:25:49 CEST 2003 from dialup-63.209.92.40.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (63.209.92.40)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: So Cal

Subject: Foghorn Leghorn & Atlanta misc

Was Foghorn Leghorn a rooster or a chicken hawk?

David Powell - It's looks like I'm getting tranferred back to Atlanta. Is the Star Bar still around & showcasing rockabilly bands? There's no web site for them. I liked the PBR @$1.75 thing they did. How about WRFG? They always had some great specialty shows; I used to fill in on the Celtic show on Sundays.

Give me a shout @ johntstevenson@earthlink.net if you can, thanks.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 21:23:18 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

btw Pat B, you do realize that I'm way too lazy to do the math on the Sen. Claghorn stuff beforehand... so there's no psuedo-intellectual dig in my post... you just mentioned "chickenhawk"... and the voice in my head was automatic knee jerk... so of course, I spat it out... Again, people, I will flee to the southeast for Canada to escape flaming if I have to...

Thanks Peter V... I just moved up Jesse's Anthology a notch on my list of "to gets"...

It's always good to read posts by the gals...

Any Ottawa-ians out there see either RR... or the Hudson Hawk show?


Entered at Sun Mar 30 21:13:46 CEST 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: music

HEY J Tull guy,,,,

i was reading the Times Arts & Leisure section & Lo & Behold,,, @ Tanglewood,,,Jethro Tull & Orchestra,,,

august 12th,,, me ??? the one time i saw them back in the 70s i slept thru it,, so i wont be joining you,,

thought youd want to know,,,

Foghorn Leghorn for the next prez,,,,,


Entered at Sun Mar 30 20:50:50 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: You DOnt know who Foghorn Leghorn is?

Pat, Pat, Pat......... What backwater of the world were you raised in that you arent versed in Warner Brothers Cartoons. Not having a working knowledge of Foghorn Bugs, Daffy, Elmer and the like? Might has well never have read the collected works of Shakespeare-I just think people dont apprecaite high culture like they used to.

BTW, Foghorn goes back a little farther historically-the character is based on a character from the 1930s-40s radio camic Fred Allen. That character was called Senator Claghorn and was the epitome of the blustery, say nothing, but say it loud politicion. He was a regular on Allen's Alley-classic radio comedy.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 19:33:48 CEST 2003 from dialup-166.90.68.61.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.68.61)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I have to admit that I had little idea who Foghorn Leghorn was/is, but he does have a fan club so I like that. In one of the wav files I downloaded he said, "Go away, boy, you bother me." I like that. Then I discoverd that he's a rather large rooster. Dave Z, wouldn't Butch fit this character more than me? I'm taking Kay's word here.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 18:53:00 CEST 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp190459.sympatico.ca (64.229.3.110)

Posted by:

brown eyed angelina

Kay: Please be fair.....If I project my romantic fantasies onto Robbie.....then please include.....Louuuuuu......Bob Marley.....Van Morrison......Dylan......Garland Jeffreys.....Willy DeVille......Joe Strummer.....as well.......I think however your hatred of Robbie has been projected onto me......In anycase.....I've always respected the fact that you get paid to write.....even though I still can't believe that you wrote an article on Savoy Brown.....;-D


Entered at Sun Mar 30 18:44:06 CEST 2003 from tnt-77-34.ct.dialin.ntplx.com (209.54.77.34)

Posted by:

Tracy

Thank Kay for explaining. I'm not one who goes for fantasy stuff, well if I did of anybody, I keep it to myself. I'm not into romanticizing on the net.

If it's romanticizing and fantasizing you want, you ought to check out the message board at AF1 (Aeroforce One), the home of Aerosmith fans. You would definitely have your work cut out for you. If your female, then people instantly think you're a fan of Steven Tyler EXLUSIVELY, (personally I'm a huge fan of their drummer) or else you might just get ignored. Music-wise discussions? They don't exist and you're expected to go to another message board for that. So, Robbie fans are a picnic compared to some others out there.

I recently discovered that I'm not the only one who has a music obsession, such as The Band or Aerosmith in my family. As it turns out, my cousin's husband is a HUGE HUGE Jethro Tull fan. He's gone so far as to flying to Colorado for the Tull convention which I didn't even know exists. Nevermind the fact that he gets backstage passes when they come around my area. So, it's nice to know that there are others that are appreciative of music to an extent that it makes them very happy and they live out their dream of meeting their favorite band/members.

Pete V., that's awesome that you got to meet Steve Gadd. That man grooves my world unlike any other drummer I've seen. We're hoping to get him for a drum clinic sometime this year, but Steve is a busy guy. Anything he touches, just becomes pure magic in a drumming sense. Check out:

http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/sgadd/whatsnew.html

For some awesome latest Gadd happenings. You might want to check out the archive for 2002 while you're at it.

Tracy


Entered at Sun Mar 30 18:35:06 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-b-23.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.19.23)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Stetsons

The GB is also a haven for mostly good gals too...although several don't come around lately. :o( We'll wear our Stetsons in RED for a little SPICE!


Entered at Sun Mar 30 17:55:49 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-142.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.142)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Largo. + Neither politics nor music

Dave Z – I thought about Garth’s ‘Largo’ then decided it was solo Garth rather than a session! But if I could take only one ‘Band-related’ album it’d be between ‘Largo’ and the first Jesse Winchester.

Neither politics nor music … (but socializing?) John D – on borders and Canada. My wife keeps reminding me that I was offered a great job in Montreal in the late 70s and says she begins to regret more and more that I didn’t take it, as all evidence (for her) points to Canada as the most civilized of the three countries (UK, US, Canada). But she’s never read any of Serge’s comments about me, I guess! There always were a few irritations about the US / Canadian border for foreigners. A very minor one is what us aliens do with our visa forms in our passports. You have to hand them in when you leave the USA. If you stop and try to do it on the US side of the border, they say ‘Hand them to the Canadians.’ At Niagara Falls they said ‘Keep moving. Don’t hold up the traffic.’ Then on the Canadian side they said, ‘They’re US visas. What are we supposed to do with them?’ Then you try to turn them in to Air Canada and they say ‘These are US visas. None of our business.’ So you end up leaving North America with the thing still stapled in your passport and when you return you get a “bollocking” from US Immigration. It’s happened to me twice and my son once. Last time this very officious gentleman said that I was lucky if he didn’t deport me anyway. I explained what had happened. Was told it was my fault – then I realised it was a 6 month visa issued only three months earlier. ‘So what’s the problem?’ was my question. Got a worse bollocking and I’m not stupid enough to argue with immigration officials anywhere. . BTW, the correct procedure is to mail them to US Immigration after you’ve left, I discovered. I assume that this information is all computer-collated (it should be) but a frequent traveller advised me ‘tear it up and throw it away. They won’t know.’ But of course they really should know. Another answer is to re-enter the USA through Orlando where Immigration seem to be Disney-trained in courtesy and pleasantness. The Orlando guy took my old visa out carefully and just said, ‘You’re lucky this isn’t New York. They’d make a real issue of it. But this is Florida … enjoy your stay.’ In fact, the ‘bollocking’ had been at JFK. BTW, I’ve heard very many tales of unpleasant British officials too, and countries nowadays do have to know who’s there and who’s not.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 17:46:11 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Do you really think making Palestine a parking lot "your words" is going to solve your problems

No, but it would definately help the parking crunch in downtown Tel Aviv.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 17:36:22 CEST 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Location: NM

Subject: response

Butch frail and weak looking?? not the one I know....but it's good to see an anonymous poster step up

Tracey, most of the contributers to this site have something to say, but some just download the contents of their brains expecting we will be fascinated by every little thought that passes through. It's downright tedious trying to find the point in these posts. Most of these folks seem goodhearted enough and I just scroll past without comment, but there's others who use anonymous posts for their digs so no one will know how truly nasty they are. I got nothing against fans of RR's music, most people at this site seem to be in that category. I don't like the posts where fans, particularly women fans, go on and on about what a fabulous human being he is when they are just projecting their romantic fantasies on him. Kinda pathetic, but I guess it's still a free country.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 17:11:27 CEST 2003 from tnt-77-226.ct.dialin.ntplx.com (209.54.77.226)

Posted by:

Tracy

What gives with all of the nastiness? I can understand the concerns with Iraq but when people want to mention The Band, it's just all out war! Bitter, bitter, bitter! What has become of this place? Are people that set on taking sides that they have to get plain old nasty? Still upset from events that took place thirty years ago or near there? Get over it!

Statements like these I don't understand, "in my judgement have nothing much interesting to say, however fascinating and adorable they believe themselves to be."

Say whaaaaaaaat??? There is a huge question mark over my head. There used to be some really intelligent and amusing posters who weren't afraid to speak their mind that came around often enough. I still don't know what happened to BWNWIT. He used to crack me up with some of his posts. You can't even mention some members because you might get bashed upon for even remotely liking something of theirs.

The Band is no longer, members have moved on and two are gone, but not forgotten.

Is anybody bitter that Rick was the first to take up a solo career while he was still with The Band? Is what he did, committing the ultimate sin in the so-called "brotherhood?"

This behavior does not keep in the spirit of The Band.

Tracy

ready for the tomatoes to be thrown


Entered at Sun Mar 30 17:05:12 CEST 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: White Stetsons

Amanda: Any hat will do : ) {any colour, too!}


Entered at Sun Mar 30 16:40:12 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-b-23.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.19.23)

Posted by:

Amanda

I have had my share of trouble around these parts. I have learned a few difficult lessons. The most immense and painful is to never share anything personal about myself. Especially the personal stuff that is nearest to my heart. I have also learned that I should never have a personal battle in a public place. No matter how much I feel I have been wronged or how false-hearted I believe a person to be, it is always regrettable. There will always be people that will try to manipulate me to appear as someone I’m not.

Butch has always been very kind to me. I have never felt like I couldn’t post something because it might offend him. If that were the case, he would have disowned me a long time ago when I first expressed my admiration for Hilary Clinton. ;o) Butch has never tried to turn me against other GBers. He has been a friend to me. Few of us are teenagers, which means at some point in our lives we had to start thinking for ourselves. Right? I adore Levon Helm, but does that mean I am the epitome of who he is? Do I base my life and all my decisions on his philosophies and values? Of course not. I think the biggest tribute to Levon and his life would be to learn something from it…not to make the same mistakes. I met Butch at the Bearsville show in Woodstock on New Years Eve. He was very sweet and just a little itsy bit shy. I could see him from the front of the stage, where he was standing backstage. Butch was smiling and getting in to the show just like the rest of us. When Hubert Sumlin hit the stage, Butch was beaming, he was proud to see that fine man perform, proud and honored. He is just like you and me…it’s all about the music.

I hope you good fellas won’t let the war and all the passionate feelings going around stand in the way of seeing each other for the men you REALLY are. In spite of the hell-raising going on, I think the GB is mostly a haven for good guys. White Stetsons for everyone…right, Fred?


Entered at Sun Mar 30 16:35:58 CEST 2003 from 21.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.21)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: New Richard Photo/"sycophants"

I especially appreciate Serge's photo because of when it was taken, November 1983, right around the time I went to the Band's show at the Rainbow Music Hall in Denver, Colorado. The images and sounds and thrills have never left my mind, never will.

On the subject of "sycophants"--if liking Robbie's music and other contributions, and writing about them with the same passion that other GBers bring to their posts on Levon, Rick, Richard, and Garth, and enjoying the posts of fellow Robbie fans, make me a sycophant, I'm proud to be a sycophant. If others don't like that, too bad, scroll on by, and go "chase" yourselves...


Entered at Sun Mar 30 15:22:15 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Bill

Butch, I apologize for calling you a loser. It's just that when frail, weak looking people like you talk about kicking ass and bombing people (innocent women and children), it gets to me. You just come across in a bad light. I can see you, Rumsfeld and Nixon sitting around talking about who you're going to screw over next. Except you wouldn't be sitting around, you'd be asking them how many lumps of sugar they want in thier coffee. Do you really think making Palestine a parking lot "your words" is going to solve your problems or invading other countries to take thier oil is going to stop terrorism. History will show Bush and his Texas cronies to be very wrong. Just like Nixon, Rumsfeld, Reagan, LBJ, etc. were wrong before him.

On a Band note: Remember it took you over 3 years to acknowledge this page even existed. Why was that? Now you plug this and plug that. Didn't you realize that this place would have been good for the Band earlier.

Once again I apologize for ripping into you but you irk me. If you grow up, then I will. Bill


Entered at Sun Mar 30 15:07:38 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: The Lips

Pat Brennan, just thought I would mention the March issue of Esquire magazine includes a good piece on the Flaming Lips. You might enjoy it.

Interesting that someone who espouses herself as fair minded never so much as acknowledged neither a private nor a public attempt to make peace. It all may look good up there on the screen but it sure doesn't hold much water. You know who you are and I know what you pretend to be.

John D., I can assure you those types of events in no way reflect how the vast majority of Americans feel about our neighbors to the north. Sadly, those same neanderthals couldn't find Idaho on a map any faster than they could find Iraq. You can park your car in front of my house anytime you like.

Just a few weeks now until Levon and the boys visit Philly. Looking forward to seeing and hearing you all again. Butch, it will be great to see you again.

I ask that all who pray include Don Reynolds USMC in your prayers. For his sake and for the sake of all the young men and women making this enormous sacrifice I pray this incredible mess somehow comes to a miraculous resolution. We need a miracle.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 10:49:04 CEST 2003 from 3eea1679.cable.wanadoo.nl (62.234.22.121)

Posted by:

Denise

Location: the Netherlands

Subject: Woodstock

Norbert:bedankt voor de tip.Maar:helaas gemist.De ouderlijke plicht riep;zat bij 2 paardrijdende dochters op de manege.Veranderde tijden....


Entered at Sun Mar 30 10:22:37 CEST 2003 from accel06.lax.untd.com (64.136.26.16)

Posted by:

Liz from up North

Location: Here there and every where

Subject: havent been here in months

I am in a state of inertcia,still so proud of the woodstock music, and its great to read what everyone has to say , one of the the things Ive always loved about this site is the comradeship most writers have. I have a friend who is 43 , he gave me a ride to go se Rick one time.... for some insane reason , this person who was a voulunteer is now in Iraq, and now.....please kids, thank God you have your records and your dvds and cds. an evrything else this great site has helped us with .an ohhhhh , 2 years gone by but still , Dan =Patricia ??take your pills leave us alone do you know what karma means ? and for everyone: Peace takes alot of power, and prayer ...so breathe ......lets breathe.........George is wrong we know that, ok so lets go from there..... we are in deep what now ? write a song PLAY ON KEEP LISTENING


Entered at Sun Mar 30 10:21:17 CEST 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: What's New

Nice picture of Richard. Thanks Serge


Entered at Sun Mar 30 10:04:46 CEST 2003 from (203.14.169.19)

Posted by:

Nancy

Subject: sycophant - the word

To me, being labelled a sycophant implies not only fawning behaviour (yech) but also the expectation of receiving something in return for one's flattery. Now, how can the people described here as sycophants be true sycophants when there is little or no likelihood of them ever receiving anything in return since we know that RR and Levon never read the ol' GB anyway? It must be fact - it's been discussed at length right here.



Entered at Sun Mar 30 09:24:02 CEST 2003 from 53.ppp132.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.132.53)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Subject: Crabgrass / To split or not to split

Crabgrass Sun Mar 30 01:35:29, about the split.
This time I agree totally with CRABGRASS (...or is it only because of hangover). Anyway, he put it nicely. Thanks.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 06:20:53 CEST 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

crabby, spoken like a gentleman. What hurts even worse is when you find people you agree with politicaly are total idiots when it comes to music! Fallen, sorry, I will let you be you. I would be proud to be Roz though....that chick is out there!! Does anyone listen to "Little Steven's Underground Garage" rock radio show? I just ended up with a LARGE part of the series on CD, an out of the blue gift. He did a whole show from Canada, and didn't play the Band. The emphisis is supposed to be "Garage" rock though. He plays a lot of Donovan anyway; who seems to be one of his big faves...


Entered at Sun Mar 30 06:15:18 CEST 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

And now everytime I read a post from Pat B... the voice in my head will be that of... Foghorn Leghorn... Thanks!

John D... Are you sure about those ND guys?... My guess is they probably would have done some collateral damage to a Tennessee "show it to me state" license plated car's door handle too if given the chance... btw, do you know why the Mississippi River flows south toward your beloved Memphis instead of north towards the grandmotherland of Canada?... It's because Iowa sucks!!!! Oh, how uncouth of me... hee hee hee... now, I'll pop down quick into my MN Gopher hole for a quick getaway...

I missed the Gourds friday night... and one of my buddies was describing Danko-like bass lines to me yesterday... suffering suckatash!!!!

I support our troops... and protestor tank girls everywhere... but not the other poops... and if you flame me, continue to threaten to split my posts off, or ignore my childish humor... then I will be forced to flee to Toronto in late May...

Any word on the upcoming Crowmatix live CD release?


Entered at Sun Mar 30 05:45:25 CEST 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl

Thank you for using the dots in my support...I am not Patricia...I am not Ros...Is that why people don't want me to post? Or am I just too non-confrontational?

Take care and be well


Entered at Sun Mar 30 05:33:19 CEST 2003 from custnets-66-43-82-136.rinc.net (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Japan Tour" on DVD? & More...

Does anyone know if the "Japan Tour" video has been released on DVD? The clips from the video on this site make me want to see more of this. I'd buy it just to have a video version of Richard singing "You Don't Know Me."

Last night I watched the new DVD release of the Beach Boys "Good Timin':Live at Knebworth, England 1980," the last time all three Wilson brothers along with Mike Love, Al Jardine and Bruce Johnston appeared together in Great Britain. It is a high energy show and quite worthwhile for Beach Boys fans.

I also experienced my first DVD-Audio Disc last night with Frank Zappa's "Halloween," mostly made up of live concert audio material from NYC in October 1978, but supplemented by several stellar bits of bonus material--the best of which is a video of Frank performing the song "Dancing Fool" from a "Saturday Night Live" appearance around the same time as the Halloween concerts. It's nice to see that Frank also stopped by the GB for a cameo appearance yesterday...


Entered at Sun Mar 30 05:26:19 CEST 2003 from tc1-15.98-76.rac.wi.net (209.225.98.76)

Posted by:

Matt Tuinstra

Location: Wisconsin

I just want everyone to know how much i love the Band. Thus, because of the Band i have startedmy own band. We are not that good because it is just a bunch of 15 year olds trying to play songs like the band. my favorite movie is the last waltz. I wanst around when the movie was released, nor, was i around for any concerts for the band. I would like to see the remaining members go for a U.S. tour. Well i appreciate everyone to take the time to read my guestbook thing. Remember, i am only 15 years old. That is how much the band effects people. Thanks! Matthew R. Tuinstra


Entered at Sun Mar 30 05:07:54 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: Thank You

I thank you for those that responded, especially Calvin who helped put things into a little more perspective & hey Jon I've been there too. Thanks Paul G. Great news About Ronnie with his cancer in full remission.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 04:10:17 CEST 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0434.dialsprint.net (65.178.113.180)

Posted by:

rollie

Subject: crabbies earlier post

Crabby said----"Finally, it is all starting to make sense. Bush follows his idol Hermann Goering's advice and orders the CIA to persuade al Queda (a religious humanitarian organization) to destroy the Twin Towers killing nearly 3,000 innocent people. Then he declares a socalled "War On Terrorism" and fabricates the myth that Saddam Hussein is somehow an evil man (when in reality he's really quite a nice guy) who possesses mass quantities of biological and chemical weapons that will surely fall into the hands of the terrorists if his regime is not removed from power. All but the very smartest of the American public [i.e. the Hollywood crowd] buy this malarkey and support a massive invasion of Iraq so that Bush and Cheney and their oil barren pals can reap the benefits of seizing Iraq's oil fields for their personal gain. Amazing - and I wouldn't know any of this if I hadn't read it right here in the Band Guestbook!!"-----Dude! you almost got it right! Save for a few embellishments on your part,you're catchin on.Keep up the good work!


Entered at Sun Mar 30 03:17:25 CEST 2003 from ppp583.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.15.13)

Posted by:

paul godfrey

Location: C A N A D A
Web: My link

Subject: John D

John, you have expressed my feelings so well and probably the feelings of many Canadians as well. And I thank you.

shineonpaulg


Entered at Sun Mar 30 03:12:52 CEST 2003 from 1cust160.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.160)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Subject: Missing Word...

"be" from last paragraph of my previous post. Please insert. Thanks!!


Entered at Sun Mar 30 01:35:29 CET 2003 from 1cust219.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.219)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: To split or not to split...

Why should the GB be split? Those who are clamoring in favor are mostly those who have nothing to say about music that peeks enough interest in here to start a good healthy interesting thread which actually mines some new territory but merely complain about seeing the posts that relate to politics though they are too lazy to scroll past them. (No one's forcing you to read them either.) The rest of us don't mind posting our political views as well as musical views and enjoy doing and reading both and we don't complain about the musical posts even when some idiot praises Neil Diamond, the Monkees, or Billy Bragg. We don't mind scrolling either.

Recently, there were a lot who complained about the plethora of political posts when simultaneously there were an equal number of Byrd related posts. Although I am a fairly big fan of the Byrds I pretty much speed-read them on the scroll because most of this had been discussed in depth more than once here in the old GB. So I read the political posts instead for the most part. Yet, scrolling continues to seem far too difficult for some folks. If you want to read about music in the GB all the time I suggest surfing through the archives and reading what interests you.

People who suggest going to another site to discuss politics seem not to realize that most of us here want to share our views with people who we have some common interests musicwise and who we know a bit about through their previous postings or have even exchanged tapes etc. through the mail, communitcated via e-mails, and personally met at shows - it makes it more interesting than just posting your views to totally anonymous persons on a site that's dedicated mainly to politics or music you're not into.

Yes, of course, it can frustrating at times to discover that folks you agreed with musically are total idiots when it comes to politics but I have somehow resigned myself to accept it!!


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Off-subject, miusic related, PAT:

Have you gotten the new Procol Harum album yet? I need to run out and find it, but been caught up in other things. Love to know your review.


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Posted by:

Jon

Location: Missouri

Subject: John Donabie-Canada

Those Canadians at the border crossing are real jerks, a few years ago on a vacation. I won't ever go back. But I'll tell you one thing- those Americans are real jerks at the border crossing coming back. I got it going both ways, won't go into details, but if your hairs a little too long, stay in your own country. Is not worth the hassle I got(both ways). As far as Canada goes, its a great place to visit, wound up in Jasper. Real friendly folks all the way. Just cut your hair and make it look like you just left church. They might leave you alone. Same thing happens to me when I visit Louisianna. "I pulled ya over cause' you was weavin' that yeller' line a little, could ya' empty your pockets out and open your trunk so I could look inside?" Or the second time, "You sure are in a hurry aren't ya'?" Nevermind cars were passing me left and right. I spend my vacation dollars elsewhere.


Entered at Sun Mar 30 00:41:38 CET 2003 from dialup-67.28.28.34.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.28.28.34)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

mattk. I can't think of anything you've done to piss me off, so please work on it.

As we all know, the Irish are the Welsh who could swim. And I, of course, grant wide berth to the Irish here among us, even the fine Southern Irish. Yet I just realized that none of the boys was Irish. Shoot. Perhaps I should rethink this.

I also believe that goofballs who flame anonymously are chickenhawks.

PC, the Fox News version: "homicide bombers."


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

John D. = You can rest assured that we don't all feel that way - or behave like that.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 23:53:21 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Reply to John D and Butch

I know a lot of you dont agree but issues like what John Donabie just brough up is why the GB should stay freeflowing. At its best the GB, for me at least, just isnt a music site, its so much more.

I dont know what is in John, there is a incredible mob mentality going on in the US right now. A lets go and get them, us against the world, mindset. Frankly I think it stems from feeling for years we were protected against the terrorist attacks in the Middle East and Europe. It's much like how someone overreacts when there house gets burglarized, but for millions of people. And please, nobody send me emails accusing me of belittling Sept 11th, Im clearly talking about the slashing of Canadiens tires and spending time, with they way are economy is floundering, making sure Frnech Fries and Toast are called Freedom Fries and Toast in government buidlings. These are things are elected officials now find important. America is scared and angry, but that is no excuse for Arab-Americans, or Canadiens for that matter, to fear for their safety inside our borders.

And I couldnt agree more Butch, I have a lot of trouble taking seriously anyone who trashes someone else behind a alias-not that some of these arent clever Band related names we use in here, but I'm sure some semi-regulars resort to psuedonyms to trash others.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: " Bunk "

hey " BUNK",, or whoever you are,,,,

if you wanna call me a loser of epic proportions,, thats cool,, but you should have the baytzim ( balls )to use your real name so we can all know who you are ,,,, but coward-bullies like you operate better from under a rock, in a cave, or in the dark,,,,


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Posted by:

bayou Sam

Location: ny

You bet your butt I have Norbert. Go check.

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com


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Posted by:

John Donabie

Location: Toronto, Canada

Subject: I Think It's Going To Rain Today by Randy Newman

AN OPEN MESSAGE TO MY AMERICAN FRIENDS

I was reading in the National Post (Toronto, Canada) this morning about Americans in North Dakota, slashing the tires, breaking beer bottles on windshields and urinating on car handles........why because they had Manitoba (Canadian) license plates.

I realize their our Prime Minister decided not to get involved in this war for whatever reasons. I disagree; which I have stated before in this guestbook. I am against the war; but when it was finally declared I truly felt we should be fighting with our brothers and sisters of America and members of the Commonwealth countries. That is my opinion.

No one but my wife understands the passion I have for the south. Especially Memphis music.....that of The Delta...... and Louisiana. I have spent a LOT of time there. I still feel the same feelings and the same smells and the same sounds that Robbie Robertson talked about when he finally hit the south. It becomes a magic place to some. I have stated before that iF Shirley McLain is right about reincarnation; then my soul lives in Natchez Mississippi. A friend of mine this morning called me and wondered when I was going to come visit in Florida. I blurted out that I was uncomfortable about doing so. He asked if I was nervous about flying during the war. I said no, I was nervous about my acceptance in America during this time. Because he knew me he found it kind of crazy talk; until he went on about Canada and France in general and I could hear the anger in his voice about not participating in the war. How America would be their for us in a New York minutes if anything happened to us as a nation.

This war is not the first time that Canada and The U.S. have gone their own way. We did not officially participate in Vietnam. In fact we took in the draft-dodgers. No one in the U.S. demanded the return of these people or chastised us for giving them a home. We have remained open with Cuba. No one in the U.S. came down on us for that to any degree. There are many, many other instances where we have gone our own ways. My question to by American friends in the guestbook? What’s different THIS TIME? What is it about this particular war that puts us in the category of being urinated on; or won’t buy our products (France has this problem too) or just want to “take it out on the average Joe.”

You know that if took the 30% of Americans right now who are against the war and you put them against those in this country) Total Population about 30 Million) the American resistance to the war far out ways those of this country. It’s a dark rainy day here in Toronto and I really didn’t know how much this was bothering me until now. I am reminded by senior Canadians this morning on my radio show that the U.S. did not enter WWII until around 1942. Leaving Canada on it’s own in North American to go fight with the Brits the French The Poles etc. to keep Hitler down. No one seems to remember that these days. It hurt a lot of people around the world at that time that American had to wait until Pearl Harbour to get involved.

One last thing. When I hear or read that Canadians don’t like Americans or Americans don’t like Canadians……doesn’t anyone with a frigin' brain realize it’s about the Government of each country and perhaps the leader of each country is what they really mean. Please don’t take it out on the average Joe. This has been the longest unprotected border in the world. The fact that those bastards who gave us 9/11 have brought it to this makes for an even darker day for me, today. Thanks for letting me rant; because I have so many dear friends south of the 49th parallel I feel like I’m missing part of me today. Thanks and any intelligent response from any American poster about any of the points that I have brought up would be appreciated. Remember it's no the average guy or gal that makes these deicisions. I'm just surprised that so many on both sides of the border don't understand that??? I keep hearing stories that America are going to make it harder for us to come across. If I thought that a trip to the Catskills or New Orleans would never be within my reach again it would give me great pain. Thanks for reading to those who did not scroll by. And please, please, please.....don't let the bastards of 9/11 (which actually began this whole trip) win.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 21:49:48 CET 2003 from m198214181177.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.177)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: split

I'm for the split.



Entered at Sat Mar 29 21:35:23 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Jan: What if you added another "required" input box that designated the post as either "Music Related" or "Non-Music Related"?... And put the burden on us...

Brown-Eyed-Girl: I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv Robbie's music... it all too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd also like to meet up with you and others in Toronto but I don't think there's a shot in hell I can swing that one on the homefront at this time... I'm already straddling the fine line between enthusyist and obsessive... hee hee hee, but that don't mean I can't daydream about it a little bit... and bide my time...

Where the f$#@k are all the Indians?... I was hoping we'd get deluged BEG...

Peter V: I loved your list... and continued efforts to sidetrack us back to the music... I'd add the following to your list before I claim it as mine own... Levon's drumming on "I'm On My Way" from Kevin Doherty's Strange Weather... The Lucky Man Clark hidden bonus tracks with Garth... Garth Largo, tssk tssk Peter (you must have purposely left some off to get a response?)... I love this tune sooo much... deep sax, and Maud's mysterious vocals... and then what about Robbie's spoken word on Hal Willner's Weird Nightmare... and then Garth on Stay Awake... finally, until the Hubert CD comes out, I gotta count Levon's playing in Hubert Sumlin's guita video... awesome music!!!!!!! And Garth's playing on JAM! by the Crowmatix fits guuud..........

Best Looking GB Poster... Come On, it's the Travellin' Gals... with or without sandals... although I have to give a nod to G-Man who's tapped into the fountain of youth that pours out of Weggie's guitar... and see, I don't view G as being obsessive... he's a Road Warrior... BEG, I figure if I can bring along some canvas, pull over the side of the road and make a few painting of Superior... then the obsession translates into a legit biz expense, right? (I'm practicing my stichk, so forgive me here)... and if John D were to do live radio on location... well I'd definitely volunteer to be his coffee boy fer sure.... heck I'd even give him some of the cheese curds I picked up from Mall of America for JTULL Fan (sorry Aqualung, get back on the park bench cause I'm eating all these cheese curds)... bye, I'm done ramblin'...


Entered at Sat Mar 29 21:29:22 CET 2003 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

B.S. ...... heard the message yourself? (for reflection look up Socrates)......


Entered at Sat Mar 29 21:01:35 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Dosen't the fact that Jan even has to THINK about a split GB send a message to some of you? It seems that the answer to that is "no" - which makes me wonder, "why"?

Thanks Jan.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 19:54:40 CET 2003 from (209.234.157.72)

Posted by:

brown-nose cow

ooooooooh, Robbie!!!

oooooooooo, Robbie!!!

ahhhhhhhhhh, Robbie!!!

{lights a smoke}


Entered at Sat Mar 29 19:18:35 CET 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Jan: Although I like this format, if there is a way to weed out all the politics, that would be great! There are folks here who obviously love the Band but would prefer to talk politics (JohnW and Ben Pike come to mind). So do we have a political Gb and a musical GB? How would it work?

Did anybody see Robbie actually perform last night? He performs about once every other year, so I hope to get to see it.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 18:48:16 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

PV, my favorite Garth guesting is on Hirth Martinez's "Big Bright Street"; this John Simon production sounds very Bandian all the way through. Anyone interested in such things should take a minute and check out Crabby's post to see, in a quick nugget, just how far into dementia the true American liars of the right can push the suggestable. One wonders; does Crabby really believe the American people were for the invasion? Polls consistently showed Americans did not support it, even with the high levels of lies (Saddam was connected to 9-11, it would be over quick, they are waiting to be liberated, etc.) without UN support. After years of the real liars squaking about "Filegate" and demanding the truth about sperm stained dresses, we get a taste of the real liars, just as real evildoers are the ones who preach about evil.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 18:39:49 CET 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Location: NM

Subject: Best shot

I make a point of not being drawn into conversation with people who in my judgement have nothing much interesting to say, however fascinating and adorable they believe themselves to be.

But that part about how you intimidated Butch on the Blues Cruise was pretty funny.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 18:18:24 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-216.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.216)

Posted by:

Amanda

Pat: Regarding the line you posted..."Hank,who is Irish like me so I'm okay with everything he says and does." Does that apply to me also? My surname is just as Irish as Brennan or Wedel...I'm a true Irish southerner...just like dear Scarlett. BTW, that would be 31 times. :o)


Entered at Sat Mar 29 17:35:08 CET 2003 from adsl-65-43-176-129.dsl.clevoh.ameritech.net (65.43.176.129)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Burritto Deluxe, The Band sitting in, Dylan SPotlight, and a tad of politics

I bought the Burrito Deluxe CD the day it came out, and my initial reaction was much the same Peter-where is Garth? ANd frankly upon first listen I was a bit underwhelmed by the album. The remakes just made me want to pull out to older Brothers, GP, and Poco Albums and the new ones, for the most part didnt hold up to the "standards." I also found Garth, while playing brilliantly, curiously out of place with his swirling organ plopped down in the middle of a countryish tune. But after a 3-4th listen good musicianship finally won me over and it stayed on my CD rotation for a couple of weeks.

I've also found that the vast majority of people the Bandmates sit in with are worthwhile listens Peter, there have been a few that I didnt like so much, but there has never been anything Ive regretted buying-which is really quite amazing considering the amount of people Rick, Levon and Garth have worked with over the years. It's an interesting list you've compiled, and a few more CD's for me to buy.

It's really hard to get mad at Dylan for taking over the Last Waltz at the end because he is Dylan, and he has rarely if ever looked so good-so powerful, as he does in his segment. RR really seemed to enjoy it as well-my only complaint really was the it being a Band show, regardless of the guests, should have taken the lead on I Shall Be Released, but even that didnt bother me much as I've never really liked Richard's falsetto even half as much as his normal singing voice.

Crabby, I dont think anyone in their right mind thinks Sadaam isnt an awful guy. it's just the conclusion that because he is a bad guy he must have weapons and he'll surely sell them to terrorists. The inspectors found very little weapons, and frankly the Iraqi government is the Middle East government that Al-Queda would most like to overthrow, it being by far the most secular. Bin Laden and Sadaam have been "enemies" for years-Iraq would be nuts to sel weapons to Al-Queda and for the most part ego maniac despots rarely, if ever, sell weapons once they get ahold of them. It's a huge leap of logic, I think Bush realizes that though, over the last few weeks he has been referring to Iraq as dealing with Al-Queda like terrorist. The point is in 20+ years of being in control Iraq has made one aggressive movement outside its borders and there is some evidence to suggest they ran invading Kuwait past us first. It's a very murky issue, and anyone who doesnt see how legit arguments can be made on both sides is a little blind IMO.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Speaking of Ringo...

I was lucky enough to see him at the Bottom Line last weekend when he appeared with his band as an unannounced "Surprise Guest" during the second half of WFUV's "Required Listening" series which spotlights up and coming singer-songwriters and bands. Norah Jones and my friend Richard Julian joined Ringo onstage for "A Little Help..." which ended the show. Lots of fun, of course!! Ringo looks and sounds terrific btw.

Previous night - on the very same stage great drummer Randy Ciarlante with the JWB. (How many great drummers in a row can the Bottom Line stage handle without collapsing?) Photos from JWB show will be up soon as I can get them to Jan - have been bogged down lately with some practical problems. JWB rocked out the walls at the Bottom Line btw - sorry if you didn't make it. Don't miss them next time around.

Okay, back to politics now!!


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Subject: ny

Shit! I just went to a political discussion site and asked which Band album was the best - and they threw me out. bastards.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 17:25:08 CET 2003 from 212.ppp145.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.145.212)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: The split

During the past 4 or 5 years I have not seen a single post in gb which has not been music or Band connected, in a way or another. Otherwise they would not have been posted here. - On the other hand I understand that Østfold College (site owner) doesn't want to support a gb for dogs who use LSD.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 17:16:35 CET 2003 from 21.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.21)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Charlie Daniels

hey, what's up here with "American Eagle" duplicating the Charlie Daniels letter I posted here a few weeks back to show that I like to hear, and am not afraid of, views that are different from mine? But at least I made paragraphs when I posted Charlie... Brown Eyed Girl, I'm confused about your references to me in a recent post, can you clarify????


Entered at Sat Mar 29 16:55:11 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

So much pissin', moaning, bitching, and complaining. What a freakin' bore.

Speaking of great drummers - which I did at the start of this sentence - Ringo's new CD is out.

I just got the "Concert for Bangladesh" on CD and enjoyed listening to it for the first time in awhile...But what's up with Dylan? I like the mans music a lot - I really do. But what's with the sort of "spotlight set" thing? He couldn't join his peers for the whole show like everyone else?.....It's always bugged me that "The Last Waltz" turns into a Bob Dylan concert at the end. If you think about it, The Band end the show as a back-up band.

Strange thing = while listening to "Bangladesh", I coulda swore I heard Rollie yell "Ophelia" at one point.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 16:39:40 CET 2003 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: The Netherlands
Web: My link

Subject: Woodstock, Ten Years After before The Band

Ragtime, Johan Anton, Denise en de 2 andere Hollanders
Woodstock op RTL5 NU!........The Band na Ten Years After (zullen ze toch niet overslaan?)



Entered at Sat Mar 29 16:29:35 CET 2003 from 1cust11.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.11)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Enlightenment!

Finally, it is all starting to make sense. Bush follows his idol Hermann Goering's advice and orders the CIA to persuade al Queda (a religious humanitarian organization) to destroy the Twin Towers killing nearly 3,000 innocent people. Then he declares a socalled "War On Terrorism" and fabricates the myth that Saddam Hussein is somehow an evil man (when in reality he's really quite a nice guy) who possesses mass quantities of biological and chemical weapons that will surely fall into the hands of the terrorists if his regime is not removed from power. All but the very smartest of the American public [i.e. the Hollywood crowd] buy this malarkey and support a massive invasion of Iraq so that Bush and Cheney and their oil barren pals can reap the benefits of seizing Iraq's oil fields for their personal gain. Amazing - and I wouldn't know any of this if I hadn't read it right here in the Band Guestbook!!

[I'd still like to know Levon's view on the current war situation btw. But maybe we should just let it slide as no one else seems to be interested.]


Entered at Sat Mar 29 15:47:29 CET 2003 from hse-hamilton-ppp189988.sympatico.ca (64.229.1.147)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Gracias Peter....I think that was a hint for me to finish those CDS for you.....;-D.....Thanks as always.....Sincere apologies to everyone I personally let down....It's hard to always have Robbie's discipline in public......When you've been personally attacked so many times......Things build up.....That's one reason I respect Robbie so much.....He can simply ignore at all costs.....where my passionate side is always at the forefront....Hope those of you who were at the Aboriginal Award Ceremony for Robbie really appreciated that he rarely plays live......Unfortunately I couldn't attend because I had to do interviews all day and couldn't cut class.......Yup.....Bad Luck.....big time.....

Best Band Member Session Appearances....

Marianne Faithful / Marc Ribot / Dr. John / Fernando Saunders / Lew Soloff...Garth Hudson...Why D'Ya Do It...among others

The Lost Hombres with Buddy Cage...Handle Enough...among others...Levon Helm

Wouldn't ya know it.....Whose playing right now? John Lee Hooker.....Van's bud with Los Lobos......"Dimples"...So fine....


Entered at Sat Mar 29 15:43:10 CET 2003 from mcha-ai093.taconic.net (205.231.28.93)

Posted by:

Lil

To the unnamed person who adressed me as "Mis Lil".. I happen to agree with you. I scroll by much of the political stuff unless something catches my eye. I just think that dividing the gb into 2 seperate parts wont work since inevitably, there'll be cross-over posts. This isn't a democracy anyway. It's Jan-land, and in the end, he's going to do what he wants to do. He always does.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 15:15:03 CET 2003 from du-tele3-210.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.210)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Burrito Deluxe - Band member's sessions

Garth Hudson guests on keyboards on Georgia Peach by Burrito Deluxe, a tribute to Gram Parson's original Flying Burrito Brothers, fronted by pedal steel virtuoso and Burrito veteran Sneaky Pete Kleinow. Reviews and advance comments made much of Garth’s contribution. Then he went on a short European launch tour with Burrito Deluxe, so I had the impression when I ordered it that Garth wasn’t far off being a member and that his contribution if not ‘major’ was at least ‘significant. Burrito Deluxe thought him well worth-mentioning too, because when Garth appears on a track he’s listed first in the credits (before even the lead vocals) as ‘Garth Hudson (The Band) keyboard.’ Sounds really promising, right? Except that it’s on one song only, Hickory Wind. Nothing on the other thirteen that I can see. My copy arrived today. At first listen I’m happy enough to have Burrito Deluxe, seems like a very good album, but I always liked the Flying Burrito Bros. Garth’s all over the one track with lovely organ swirls, great piano(like) solo, and accordian too (though it might be synth). But it’s only one track. A great version of a great song. I think most Band fans would enjoy the rest of the album too, but they won’t find any more Garth.

I used to think Band-member sit ins were a great way to find new artists, trusting that if a Band member sat in with somebody they had to be good. I found some gems as a result- Levon duetting with Michele Shocked, or a nice piece of Garth accordion playing on Mindy Jostyn’s album. And I picked up some dreadful turkeys, like Rick guesting on Joe Cocker’s embarrassingly abysmal take on ‘I Heard it through the Grapevine’ (the bass playing wasn’t any good either), but the exercise was usually worth it. I begin to feel dubious about Levon sit ins – if he’s drumming through most of an album, fine. On an odd track or two? You’d probably never know it was him. You might go with the fact that he wouldn’t play on crap, but I’ve picked up some dull stuff that way. And Garth with The Call? I hunted down most of it, and while I listened through for Garth’s moments, The Call are not at all to my taste.

Best Band-member session appearances anyone? Here’s a starter …
1 Jesse Winchester ‘Snow’ – Robbie + Levon
2 Van Morrison ‘Wonderful Remark’ – Robbie
3 Tom Petty ‘Best of Everything’ – Richard, Garth (prod Robbie)
4 Michelle Shocked ‘Secret to A Long Life’- Levon, Garth
5 Mercury Rev ‘Hudson Line’ – Garth
6 ‘Largo’ ‘Gimmee A Stone – Levon’
7 Bonnie Raitt ‘River of Tears’ – Richard
8 Joni Mitchell ‘Raised on Robbery’ – Robbie
9 Neil Young ‘Revolution Blues’ – Levon, Rick
10 Howie B ‘Take Your Partner By The Hand’ – Robbie
11 Van Morrison’Kingdom Hall’- Garth
12 Roy Orbison ‘Love in Time’ – Robbie
13 Neil Diamond ‘Surviving The Life’ – Garth (prod Robbie)
14 Los Lobos ‘Little John of God’ – Levon
15 Jofey Spokes- 4 Men & A Dog – Rick, Randy
16 Cate Bros ‘Standin’ On A Mountaintop’ – Levon
17 Bonnie Raitt ‘Longing in Their Hearts’ – Levon
18 Wild Magnolias ‘Life Is A Carnival’ – Robbie
19 Don Henley ‘Talking to the Moon’ Garth
20 Marianne Faithful- Strange Weather – Garth


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: rollie's post

thanks Rollie,,, i did take it one way,, but now i know that youre from Jersey,,, i understand,,,

thanks bro,,, butch,,,,


Entered at Sat Mar 29 09:21:40 CET 2003 from cache-hki-6.inet.fi (194.251.240.114)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: After this quote I' m back with music

This says it all:

"Legislating Tyranny"

"It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a Democracy, or a Fascist Dictatorship, or a Parliament, or a Communist Dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing this country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering


Entered at Sat Mar 29 09:18:43 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Mis Lil

Just cause you would have to look at a different guestbook doesn't mean anything really changes, just the subject matter. I mean is this site for politics or music? It seems like politics is predominate. Quite frankly, that's bullshit.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 08:04:25 CET 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3612895.sympatico.ca (65.93.194.8)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Sorry Todd.....I used to be an ace speller....."ParAllel Lines"....Anyway, next time I'll share a really sweet thing Levon did to help out Bebe Buell......


Entered at Sat Mar 29 07:58:26 CET 2003 from quebec-hse-ppp3612895.sympatico.ca (65.93.194.8)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Laughing here Frederico......But math skills need to be looked at as well....split....four letters....spliff....five letters......Damn....I keep forgetting the herb that's still in the crisper!.....It's not something I worship.....but music......oh yeah.....Brownies on the other hand.....too much sugar.....considered a drug during medieval times.....caffeine.....another drug............but.......as Dylan would say.....We all need to have our minds bent sometimes......"Bent" was a great play btw..........

Dave Z.....If ya haven't changed your mind.....lol.....love to hook up with a visual poster....I have a geat story to share about Daniel Lanois' gig at the El Mo......Even if we see Garth on different nights......We're probably going on weekend 'cause of work demands.....Friday/Saturday......I actually pay to see Garth and Levon so I can't afford to go all week.....;-D.....We can still hook up.......Anyway, I won't tolerate double standards anymore......As Robbie said....."Some things needed to be said".......Now I can finally move on......to positive vibrations mon......Smoke that!....."Parellel Lines" by Todd.....very fitting now.....:-D


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Blue Eyes

Folks...it is a spring! Ihana Kevät! Looovely Spring. I just got the best Spring song ever, Don Partridge' s Blue Eyes from Kazaa. And listened that simple disarming song after so many years! I read that Don is still busking somewhere in England, hats off to that guy!


Entered at Sat Mar 29 07:05:34 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: What the f...?

Hey, I thought I WAS the sexiest poster of the GB!! (at least that's what I tell myself every time I look in the mirror) Darn another bubble burst!

I can tell the eyesight is going, because when I read Jan's "time for a split" I was convinced that I had read "time for a SPLIFF"...did the obligatory double-take and had to reread to make sure the eyes weren't playing tricks on me. They were. I better visit the optometrist.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 05:19:16 CET 2003 from ptd-24-198-197-158.maine.rr.com (24.198.197.158)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: That's it, I'm joining the GOP!

Poking around news coverage of the 1998 Iraq Strikes and the 1999 Kosovo bombings, I found these enlightened statements spoken by the best-and-the-brightest in the GOP.

Now, as a Green Party guy, I have the luxury of saying I've NEVER supported a president who initiated a military conflict, bombing or otherwise. Now, however, I think I've come to realize that the GOP is REALLY the party protestors should turn to. After all, look what these fine GOP men had to say supporting the patriotism of the dissenting voice in America in times of war:

"While I have been assured by administration officials that there is no connection with the impeachment process in the House of Representatives, I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time."
- Senate Majority Leader, Trent Lott (GOP), Dec. 16, 1988 (in a statement issued moments AFTER US attacks on Iraq began)

"Many question the path that has taken us to this point. I have my own questions about the long term strategy of this campaign."
- House Speaker, Dennis Hastert (GOP), March 25, 1999 (One Day AFTER US and NATO Troops enter conflict in Kosovo)

"Many question the path that has taken us to this point. I have my own questions about the long term strategy of this campaign."
- Missouri Senator, John Ashcroft (GOP), April 8, 1999 (Criticizing his president while "our boys" were still in harms way in Kosovo)

"The Administration, and NATO as a whole, greatly miscalculated the response Slobodan Milosevic would have to a bombing campaign."
- Oklahoma Senator, Don Nickles (GOP), April 21, 1999 (Criticizing his president while "our boys" were still in harms way in Kosovo)

"I normally, and I still do, support our military and the fine work that they are doing. But I cannot support a failed foreign policy."
- House Majority Whip, Tom Delay (GOP), April 28, 1999 (Criticizing his president while "our boys" were still in harms way in Kosovo)

(My apologies to our friends not in the USA who may not give a rat's ass about the subtleties of which party is dropping bombs - caring only that the US is dropping bombs. Some of us over here are sick and tired of having our patriotism questioned by either party just because we happen to speak our mind, no matter WHO is doing wrong)


Entered at Sat Mar 29 05:00:28 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Bunk

First off Butch is a loser of epic porportions. A true lost cause. Second split it and see who really cares about the Band.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 04:13:49 CET 2003 from nas1-billings-95.theglobalroad.com (65.121.127.95)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

John W: You got the wrong Jack Straw, understandable but still wrong. There are two other's (probably lots of others). I am definately not the British arsehole so that leaves one. Having taken care of that. I should explain I have been with the same woman for thirty great years but if you have have someone in mind, well run it by me! Not much on wine but I make a great hard cider. Bring along JTull Fan and anyone else.

JTull Fan: I'm comparing attitudes, not actions.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 04:09:56 CET 2003 from 1cust252.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.252)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: For or Against?

Who cares what Charlie Daniels thinks about anything? I don't even listen to his music.

I'd like to know where Levon stands on the current war.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 03:04:18 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Frank Zappa

Location: Pamona

Subject: Charlie Daniels

Good old boy Charlie was smokin' dope with the Youngbloods ("everybody get together, try to love one another right now") back during 'Nam, but now he's Mr. America. They're still not playing you on country radio, Charlie. Try again. That burnt out ex-cokehead Imus will put you and Dennis Miller on together and you can get all wet about Dubya together.

Of course, being a hillbilly and all, Charlie, you don't know nothin' 'bout makin' no paragraphs, neither. Yee-Haw!


Entered at Sat Mar 29 02:42:03 CET 2003 from ool-43526c46.dyn.optonline.net (67.82.108.70)

Posted by:

American Eagle

Location: The UNITED States Of America

Subject: An Open Letter From Country Legend Charlie Daniels....

An Open Letter From Country Legend Charlie Daniels.... An Open Letter To The Hollywood Bunch Ok, let's just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq. Let's say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what we've done for world peace. Let's say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires. Let's say that we close down our military bases all over the world and bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade sanctions against everybody. I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world where everybody would live in peace. After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of all the world's trouble would have disbanded it's horrible military and certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit. After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A. Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. get your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning. Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn't have the nerve or the guts to fight him? Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing. You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the real world. You¹d be surprised at the hostility you would find out here. Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck driver that you don¹t think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong. Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the United States has no right to defend itself. Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks down there think about you.Please visit Clarksville, Tennessee and the 101st Airborne and talk that SHIT, please visit those Real American's. You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm I¹ve ever had the displeasure to hear about. Sean Penn, you¹re a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, "fact finding trip" to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn't have the stomach for war. You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby. Freedom of choice you say? Well I'm going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. If I see any of your names on a marquee, I'm going to boycott the movie. I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it certainly wouldn't be much of a loss. You scoff at our military who's boots you're not even worthy to shine. They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in luxury. The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism. America is in imminent danger. You¹re either for her or against her. There is no middle ground. I think we all know where you stand. I will stand with the soldiers, airmen, and sailors. The hard working men and women of this great country. Not the overpaid, pansy ass, Hollywood wimp wanna be's, and has beens, who can't hold a candle to real American's, the middle class blue collar workers. What do you think? Boycott any Hollywood type that protest against the USA. God Bless America Charlie Daniels


Entered at Sat Mar 29 02:23:07 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0452.dialsprint.net (65.178.113.198)

Posted by:

rollie

Subject: for the record/Butch post

I made some off the cuff remarks in an earlier post, usually reserved for close friends, and Butch took offense to them. Not knowing me, it's easy in retrospect to see why he was upset. I thought his post was positive and that was the spirit in which I responded. Only it didn't work out . Apologies to Butch and all others who may have found those remarks offensive. Back to the music.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 02:03:43 CET 2003 from 21.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.21)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Jack Straw

Hi, I couldn't make your e-mail address work, mine's:

rpence3@sunflower.com


Entered at Sat Mar 29 01:59:56 CET 2003 from 21.43.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.43.21)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Do unto others...then split

The idea of splitting reminds me of the militant group in Monty Python's Life of Brian--once the splitting starts, when and where will it end?

I almost always try to ground my "political" comments in awareness of the Band, usually with a direct reference to a song or Band member. But I've often written posts that are concerned solely with music.

So if there is a split, and I don't think there should be (hey, Butch and I finally agree on something in addition to our affection for Levon!), I'll continue to refer to the Band and other music in my "political" posts, much as Brown Eyed Girl does...


Entered at Sat Mar 29 01:48:42 CET 2003 from ppp662.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.15.92)

Posted by:

paul godfrey

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: the split

Jan...I'm for the split.

shineonpaulg


Entered at Sat Mar 29 01:31:22 CET 2003 from hvc-204-210-137-188.hvc.rr.com (204.210.137.188)

Posted by:

Rockin' Russell

Location: Rosendale,NY

Hey gang... anyone catch The Wayne Brady show lately? There was a mention of Professor Louie & The Crowmatix from that musician/chef guy - Johnny Ciao, who's cooking/playing at The House of Blues in LA next week, with The Professor and Crowmatix crew. Funny, how you can catch news tidbits from this site on American TV. Peace out ya'll..... Rockin' Russ.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 01:07:48 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Changing my mind

This morning I thought the split would be a good idea, now Im not so sure-actually I am sure-bad idea. As Butch said, either we can take it or we cant. More to the point I rather enjoy the forays into discussion on the civil war, the merits of Pizza, and little stories about what is going on in the life of regulars. The free flowing conversation is what makes it interesting.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 01:07:23 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

There ya go. Tiny Monster's link is perfect.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 01:04:55 CET 2003 from miintg1.sbc.com (144.160.1.81)

Posted by:

Mystery

Subject: Bless this Site!

This is such an exceptional site and the GB has always been (for me) an additional source of great information. That said, I have yet to be swayed to either side on the "Great Divide" issue.

There are myrids of sites and chat rooms dedicated to War discussions, however, the people who post to this site have a very special commonality and I am interested to hear their opinons.

It is frustrating to have to read through the bs and hate filled war postings. I often come here for some fresh air. With war info screaming from every paper, every TV channel, every conversation -- is another venue necessary?

So I will continue to read the postings, as you all state your case and air your opinions. Perhaps I have answered myself.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 00:52:57 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.198)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Rollie/GB Split

Where do you find this stuff Rollie? You didn't read Bush's book did you? If only Dubya would have listened to his daddy. He must be such a disappointment at home ...

And speaking of GB, I think things should stay as they are here, without the split. Sure, a split will take the wind out of all the political talk, but I find it strangely comforting (and very revealing) to find out where different posters stand on the subject of the war. To tell you the truth, I was bugged by the political posts for exactly the same amount of time that it took me form my own opinions about the war.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 00:47:56 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Country Joes Board

I'll say it again. If you want to start discussions
about the war or politics or even dishwasher repair,
this is the place to go,
... click "My-link" ...

Really Just Tryin To Help,
Tiny Monster

P.S.
Peace



Entered at Sat Mar 29 00:46:34 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Jan = maybe a trial run at a split guestbook would be cool. It's too bad you even have to concern yourself at all with this of course. I posted a link one time to a perfectly good political site but nobody went there.

My gut feeling the first time this came up was NOT to split the GB - but it seems like it might be worth trying this time.....What happens when some bozo who likes trouble crosses the lines and posts in the "wrong" GB?

And even if we have multiple GBs - people still need to learn not to behave like horses-asses.


Entered at Sat Mar 29 00:42:43 CET 2003 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Jan, that wouldn't work ...... but thanx for your hard labour ......


Entered at Sat Mar 29 00:41:49 CET 2003 from du-tele3-176.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.176)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: James Taylor

Just back from seeing James Taylor- what an incredible show and what a brilliant band. In the first half, unable to see the drummer hidden by the cymbals, I said to my wife, ‘This is the best drummer I’ve seen since Steve Gadd with Paul Simon.’ Seconds later he stood up to be introduced and it was indeed the world’s other greatest drummer in person. Due to being with a friend with backstage passes, we got to shake hands and mumble incoherently to James Taylor in the interval. But for me the equal highlight was shaking hands and mumbling more incoherent appreciation to Steve Gadd in the corridor – who was extremely pleasant (drummers tend to be!). His drumming in the second half was a masterclass, always supportive, always perfect for the songs. The guitarist George Marienelli (?) was another outstanding player. Anyway, a great musical evening.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 23:33:16 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0326.dialsprint.net (65.178.113.72)

Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Bush sr quote on war

Another voice against the current action in Iraq comes from none other that President Bush's father, George Bush Senior. "We should not march into Baghdad," he wrote in his 1998 book, A World Transformed. "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero...assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war. "It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability."


Entered at Fri Mar 28 23:08:51 CET 2003 from tnt-77-41.ct.dialin.ntplx.com (209.54.77.41)

Posted by:

Tracy

Jan, split it! We come here for MUSIC not politics! It's almost impossible to read now.

Mystery...contact me at kramedogdish@hotmail.com if you want me to help you with a copy of the Robbie special that was aired on PBS.

Tracy

( #1 Robbie sycophant) ;)


Entered at Fri Mar 28 22:56:29 CET 2003 from gpf-t198.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.198)

Posted by:

sadavid

Location: occasionally foriegn parts

Subject: The Great (proposed) Divide

My preference is to retain the GB's unity.

Okay, "unity."

There is, I grant, a prima facie case that discussion of politics - or pizza - is not appropriate to a music forum. But neither was it "appropriate" for the young Garth Hudson to join a rock 'n' roll band.

Mr. Høiberg points out that the GB has mutated considerably from the "love your site!!! Great band!!!" days. In my opinion, it has evolved into something quite wonderful. My guess is that this growth and improvement is due mainly to two things: First, the fact that users are Band fans and therefore patently superior in important ways from the unenlightened. Second, the fact that this forum has been allowed to live and breathe with very little constraint. And why not? For the most part, the worst effect is some ruffled feathers.

Given the low risk, I much prefer anarchy to blandness. The eminently sensible rules on the "Sign the Guestbook" page are quite sufficient for the adults. For the rest, well, kids will be kids.

As a practical matter, I find that the presence of the polemical posts improve the rest by comparison - much as a diamond will sparkle plenty on a grey background, or a dry soda cracker will clear the palate for a sweeter experience when you sip the wine.

Finally, think of the future. If they're not already at it, before too long gangs of communications theorists will be unleashing hordes of grad students on the GB archive to examine the evolution of this wondrous beast. You can imagine the thesis titles. Do we really want these people to know the pain of debating who was responsible for the split?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 22:56:27 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0326.dialsprint.net (65.178.113.72)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: discussion

Good on ya Butch.How do you bastards(and bastardettes) make those paragraphs anyway? I need to look into that........... p.s.---JW -- the CIA, in their own war college report, admitted that Saddam didn't gas his own people.I'll send you the info if you'd like.All further politcal tripe can be sent to rollie999_@hotmail.com I look forward to the discussion. I think.........


Entered at Fri Mar 28 22:46:20 CET 2003 from miintg2.sbc.com (144.160.1.82)

Posted by:

Mystery

Web: My link

Subject: Making a Noise

Does anyone know how I can get my hands on JRR's Making a Noise doc that was shown on PBS. PBS in Chicago passed on it and I have been trying to track it down ever since.

Evidently, the folks at PBS Chicago have absolutely no taste in music. I checked with many PBS stores, but unless I want the box sets of Ken Burns' Jazz, Civil War, Baseball, etc they can't seem to help me.

Anyone?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 22:16:25 CET 2003 from pool-141-150-90-44.mad.east.verizon.net (141.150.90.44)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Free Republic of New Jersey

Subject: GB/Rascals

One GB, please. I couldn't handle more than that.

Rhino's "Very Best of the Rascals" is a worthy successor to "Time Peace," one of the very great greatest-hits lp's. (The greatest-hits concept always works best for acts that have, like, actual hits. Lots of them in this case. Great ones, even.)


Entered at Fri Mar 28 22:03:56 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: splitting the GB

so ya want our opinion on splitting the GB ???

fine,, but it should be the canadians & RR sycophants on one,,,, & the rest of us fans on the other,,,,

JUST KIDDING !!!!!!!!

im opposed to splitting the GB for ANY reason,,,either we can take it ( open discussion ) or we cant ?? Lets be more civilised here than we have been ( VOCI)& dial back the name-calling & rhetoric,,,,

We are all guilty of that ( some of you moreso than others )

& see ??? i can make paragraphs,,,,heheheheheheh,,,

cmon, grow up,,, its just discussion,,, relax, everyone,,,


Entered at Fri Mar 28 21:40:56 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Jack Straw - No problem. By the way, are you still living in Witchita? Why did you cut your buddy down? And despite our disagreements, can Tullfan and I still share your women and your wine?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 21:25:58 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Jack Straw

Jack, one of the great features of our constitution is that it prohibits the taint of blood, which means that children are not tainted by the status, politics, or deeds of their parents/ancestors. I do not find a debate about attempts to assasinate Castro in the 60's or treatment of British soldiers in 1777 relevant to the Iraqis murdering British and American POWs. Sorry, your comparisons are trite and inadequate. To use your logic, no country would be capable of ANY action whatsoever because they may have been guilty of XYZ back in the year 1236.Does that mean that France, if threatened in the year 2752 by Spain has no right to defend itself because of what Napolean did in the 19th century?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 21:16:55 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Michelle

Location: colorado

Subject: Lost Father

I am writeing to you hopeing someone can help me locate an old fill in drummer for Creedence Clear Water. it was between the years 1960 and 1975. his name is Joseph Hutter aka Gregory J. Hutter. I am looking for this person because he is my brother in laws father. Last seen by his son in 1976 . Gregory Riddle was born in 1971 and is desperatly seeking his father, last known address was in California. and was known to have played the drums for CCR between 1960 and 1776.If you know anything about him please email me at f0xxtr0tter@aol.com remember his name is Joseph Hutter or Gregory John Hutter approximate age 50-60 thank you


Entered at Fri Mar 28 21:08:54 CET 2003 from nas1-billings-117.theglobalroad.com (65.121.127.117)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: You Know

Subject: War

John W and JTull Fan, Thanks to you both for proving the point I was attempting to make.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 21:10:36 CET 2003 from hvc-24-161-21-18.hvc.rr.com (24.161.21.18)

Posted by:

Lars

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: Divorce

JAN: I think it would be better to have a political GB and separate guestbook so we can talk about music, Band news, and ducks. Peaceful stuff like that.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 20:54:53 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Baby Don't You Do It

I picked up an old Marvin Gaye greatist hits LP not long ago that includes his version of "Baby Don't You Do It". Later I looked it up & found that the original single, b/w "Walk On The Wild Side", was released on 9/2/1964 on the Tamla label. I'm not familiar with the B-side but I take it that it's not the Lou-u-u-u Reed song.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 20:25:12 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Anti war fuzzy logic

There is a huge difference between what happened in the 1770's and the war crimes being committed in Iraq. Seems to me that 'progressive' liberals apply their standards rather selectively. I am not religous, but firmly agnostic. But I'll bet real money that those who criticize those with strong religious beliefs in this administration would bend over backwards to gush if we were to have a president who was devoutly Buddhist, American Indian mystic, or Wiccan. Betcha! Again, more selectivity.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 20:18:28 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Jack Straw - Once again we see left wing moral eqivalency. I guess you don't see any difference between a democratically elected former U.S. President and a dictator like Castro, or where the U.S. feels the need to act against terrorist killers who have already attacked, I must have missed the U.S. attack on China?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 20:17:23 CET 2003 from ptd-24-198-197-158.maine.rr.com (24.198.197.158)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: followup

Ilkka's Dog - A very nice site indeed, except you neglected to show the boys burning American flags...

Pat B - How come you don't hate me anymore? I thought we were friends!


Entered at Fri Mar 28 19:54:39 CET 2003 from nas1-billings-99.theglobalroad.com (65.121.127.99)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: You Know

Subject: Pro-War Fuzzy Logic

Since an assasination attempt on a former president is a justifiable reason for invading Iraq, I have to assume Cuba would be right in throwing some dirt our way. Oh, that's right, not much they can do about it. Tough shit for them. Might makes right, right.

That other excuse, that we are "threatened", leaves the door open in the not-to-distant future when another country, oh let us say, China, deems the USA a threat to THEM and nukes us big time. Quite legal now. Of course we could attack China first but with the problems we are having with Iraq that would be a hard row to hoe.

The Chickenhawks seem to spend a lot of anguish in complaining about the "unfair" tactics the Iraqis are using. Remembering American History, we were quite proud of using similar tactics against the British and we laughed when the British Command complained that the colonist rebels were "unfair" and "ungentlemanly". If and when some invader comes to YOUR town what would YOU do.

Ray Pence please e-mail. avelattgrsolution.net


Entered at Fri Mar 28 19:46:10 CET 2003 from custnets-66-43-82-136.rinc.net (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Baby Don't You Do It"

The new double-disc version of the Who's "Who's Next" album includes an interesting version of what they call "Baby Don't You Do It," the same Holland-Dozier-Holland Motown song that The Band covered around the same time. The Who sessions were ones from March of 1971, with guest lead guitarist Leslie West of Mountain fame. Drummer Keith Moon drives the song much more than West does, though, and it is certainly a stripped-down sound and arrangement compared to what The Band released on "Rock of Ages." Both groups worked with the great Glyn Johns during that period, too.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 19:24:49 CET 2003 from host81-132-2-98.in-addr.btopenworld.com (81.132.2.98)

Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: GB split

Jan, Good idea with the current situation being what it is. Nobody need get offended if they stay in the music GB, though I fear some people may need to spout off in both. If everyone respects it there should be no problem. Worth a try.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 19:12:51 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: Between Iraq and a Hard Place

It was weird seeing The Band perform "Georgia On My Mind" on that SNL rerun yesterday for the first time since it originally aired. It brought back memories of the election that Jimmy Carter won a few days later. Remember the hostage crisis during his administration? Remember the way the so-called liberal media made it an endlessly depressing situation? Those were quaint times, like the days when Elian Gonzalez, Ruby Ridge and Monica's stained dress were big news.

Jan's idea of having a second GB for political posts sounds like a generous idea to me. I've enjoyed recent talk about the Eisenhower era (when he coined the phrase with a warning about the "military-industrial complex" that runs America now)as well as ones about Dennis Miller and that newest radio right-winger named Savage, but I imagine that the hard-core music fans here don't want to read those things.

I heard that one California bookstore is selling Savage's book, but feel so guilty about it that they are donating proceeds to the ACLU.

As for Dennis Miller, I always thought him smug and self-satisfied back in his SNL days, and lately he has made it clear that he'll do anything for a buck. He's now dropped most of the obscure and unfunny non sequitors he used to use in his pre-Monday Night Football days in favor of right wing posturing. Of course, "thar's gold in them there hills" and Miller knows that. I think that he and Shrub are probably neck and neck for the number of brain cells they fried back in the '70's.

Has anyone else noticed that the right-wingers here don't like to make paragraphs for some reason? Are paragraphs a socialist/liberal/commie/pinko affectation?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 19:11:07 CET 2003 from (129.237.250.26)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Crabgrass

Your saying that people who oppose the war love Saddam and hate freedom makes about as much sense as my saying that your support of the war--Bush's war--means that you like his Bible Belting and the fundamentalist Christianity that pervades this adminstration, and its justification for the war.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 19:10:26 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Hey, "Daves of the GB Unite" sounds like a great name for a jug band... now all we need is a pretty lead singer to bring the jugs...

Looks like Garth is also playing with the Hawk in Ottawa... Shucks, I need 21 hours lead time on this stuff... Anyway, I've got the Hawk's "Keep On Rockin" and also the "Roulette Years" compilation... What would be a good one to get next?... I really love the new one...


Entered at Fri Mar 28 19:02:55 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: separation of music & state

Count me down in favour of separate forums. Such a bifurcation seems like a sensible solution. Just as long as the French, Germans & Russians don't veto the idea {:-}


Entered at Fri Mar 28 18:50:04 CET 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

writer from NM

Subject: Pat Brennan

How'd you know about my dartboard?? LOL


Entered at Fri Mar 28 18:30:12 CET 2003 from 56k-socal-04-46.dial.qnet.com (209.221.198.253)

Posted by:

Dave tpg

Pat,

Aren't you worried what could happen if all us "Dave's" rally together? We surely would have the most strength in numbers.

Dave's of the guestbook unite!

Long Live The Band!


Entered at Fri Mar 28 18:28:43 CET 2003 from cache-hki-6.inet.fi (194.251.240.114)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Cold kills brain viruses

Pat B: If loving peace, human rights, global justice, UN, the civilized side of USA, the music of Robbie Robertson, new music etc...are products of frozen brains, then I must invite you Pat to come here. This cold air will kill your brain viruses and you can think clearly again! Think about it.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 18:22:27 CET 2003 from 48.ppp138.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.138.48)

Posted by:

Ilkka's Dog

Location: pink painted doghouse
Web: My link

Subject: The future of this gb

The split? Do you mean like this? This is the hippie version. Click on My link.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 18:12:33 CET 2003 from h-68-164-3-83.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.3.83)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Oh yeah, I forgot that dave the phone guy. He and the guy from Minnesota who likes to drive. They both piss me off.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 18:07:59 CET 2003 from 56k-socal-04-46.dial.qnet.com (209.221.198.253)

Posted by:

Dave the phone guy

Subject: Hey! Not in Jan's house

O.K. take it outside rowdies.

Go out back and just pound the crap outta each other, but please leave it at the door.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 17:50:45 CET 2003 from h-68-164-8-253.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.8.253)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I would vote against splitting the GB. I don't fear different POV's and I've never gotten angry over anything that's been said here. Even when jarp described sitting on my lap and kissing me. Whew. Well, wait a minute. There were those two idiots right after 9/11 who got the place shut down for a bit. And then there was Mr. Amused, but I laughed at that more than anything else. And Kalervo and his Scandinavian buddies with that crazy Laplander stuff, but it is pretty cold up there so I suppose that effects their thinking. Of course, all those East coasters with their indefensible,"in your face" attitudes, but when you grow up in such concentrated areas of population, you act pretty weird so I guess they have their genetic reasons, and Voci with his frantz fanon view of everything, but he probably hung out at the University of Chicago and that will mess you up, and then there's those spaced out Woodstockers of every political persuasion under the sun, which should tell you exactly how high the THC levels have become, and Jan who is always going on vacation and leaving us alone, and the Brits--you know who you are--who keep lists of band names and use words I don't understand, and that writer out in New Mexico who has the evil Robertson's face on a dart board, and, oh yeah, Hank, who is Irish like me so I'm okay with everything he says and does, as long as he doesn't tell us when he changes his strings, and oh oh oh, you Canadians who all seemed to work in radio or just knew the boys way back when, that pisses me off, and the occasional foriegners like sadavid, who may or may not be a foriegner but will be for the sake of this post, and that Georgia guy who knows like everything. And Amanda, who is reading Levon's book for the thirtieth time.

Hmmmmm. I guess that's it. Shoot, I feel a whole lot better....


Entered at Fri Mar 28 17:40:18 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Subject: People of Conscience ????

One more thing, while I'm venting, then I promise not to talk politics any more. Reports out of southern Iraq say the Saddam army is forcing young men to fight, to face certain death against the coalition forces, by threatening to kill their wives and children if they refuse. One commander who advocated surrender was decapitated and his head paraded around the town on a pole. Reports are they have executed British and American P.O.W.'s.... How any real "People of Conscience" can draw any moral equivalency between our political/military system and that bunch of frickin' animals is beyond me.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 17:25:33 CET 2003 from dialup-63.208.242.109.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (63.208.242.109)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: So Cal

Subject: Dem ticket

I've heard of a possible Kerry/McCain Dem ticket. Could win, eh?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 17:24:55 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: John W.

John, don't sweat it. Just donate all your spare change to the Howard Dean for President campaign. And if we're lucky, he'll choose Rangel as his V.P. :)


Entered at Fri Mar 28 17:22:54 CET 2003 from dialup-63.208.242.109.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (63.208.242.109)

Posted by:

JQ

Location: SC

Subject: the site split

Jan - Please don't do it, don'cha... Don't break up a wonderful site. The other stuff will pass or return to an acceptable level in time. It's not in the real world of adults to avoid discussing current evnts when they are so hot now. Give us some more time at least until the war and related stuff have settled a bit.

I saw this character Bill O'Reilly on Fox moaning on about how the BIG problem is the USA not using enough force in Viet Nam and Iraq. Oh Boy, that's just not true at all in either case. That guy is a flaming liar; a jumped-up ambulance chaser.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 17:20:45 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Jan: I'm indifferent on a GB split... you might attract more crazies by doing it... or just build up their strength to focus on 2 target locations instead of 1... but then again, change is good... I can see the lurkers now "I'm a Levonista in GB2, but a Robertsonian in GB1"... then again it could be fun see people chase others back and forth from one GB to the other... I could go on forever... but I gotta split... hee hee hee...


Entered at Fri Mar 28 17:14:20 CET 2003 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Posted by:

Kay

Subject: 2 GBs

Yes, Jan. Great idea. Next, as I've been urging for years, how about word limits? ha ha


Entered at Fri Mar 28 17:06:46 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Fox News may be conservative but you have to admit they do give both sides. Last night's visit by Congressman Charlie Rangel on "Hannity and Colmes" was truly astounding. When asked if, even though he had opposed the war before it started, didn't he think now that the troops are in action, Americans should support our forces and back the President, Korean war veteran Rangel replied negatively. The President, he explained, lacks both the experience and the wisdom to make reliable decisions. No wartime allegiance here. OK, fair enough, but then he went on to say the war effort consists of our troops "bombing women and children." When stunned Sean Hannity argued that the coalition forces are "bending over backwards" to engage only Saddam's troops and avoid civilian casualties, Rangel replied, "Then I guess the women and children are bombing themselves." Would a propaganda arm of the government allow this kind of talk on their broadcasts? And if freedom of speech in the U.S. has truly been suspended, as is claimed daily in Le Monde and the Guardian, why is Jimmy Breslin still walking around free after commenting "we have become Germany in 1939"? Seems to me the opposition still has plenty of free speech rights, even in the so-called "right wing" media. And Rollie - It does not matter whether there is an Iraq 9/11 connection! Saddam tried to kill George Bush Senior in the early 90's. It's not about Dubya saying "he tried to kill my daddy!" The shame is that Clinton did not take Saddam out within 20 minutes of the attempt on a former U.S. President's life! That's justification enough, even without considering Saddam's use of chemical weapons on his own people and neighbors, or 12 years of violations of U.N. resolutions follwing the ceasefire in the first Gulf War! Bush does not need a smoking gun! Get it through your head, the way the world changed after 9/11 is the doctrine of pre-emptive action! We no longer will wait until we get hit first, we will take action to PREVENT them from getting strong enough to even pose a threat! No more waiting for the enemy to take the first shot, when that first shot can lead to thousands of dead Americans!


Entered at Fri Mar 28 16:52:07 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: The real fighting

will be among the Democratic presidential contenders. Already Dean and Kerry have descended into a bitter war debate between them. Go Dean!


Entered at Fri Mar 28 16:28:15 CET 2003 from ptd-24-198-197-158.maine.rr.com (24.198.197.158)

Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Self-hating

I'm beginning to wonder if Crab isn't, in fact, Dennis Miller, who also has made a hard-right turn toward the jingoistic in recent months. Sadly, another person mistaking the pithy comment for intelligent political insight.

As you seem to be enjoying your move to the right so much Crabby, and since you're flinging protestor=pro-saddam nonsense similair to Dr. Savage, I'm surprised you're wasting your time even coming to the fansite of a group that your hero has deemed "unAmerican" and responsible for the downfall of America at the hands of "red diaper doper babies."

I would suggest you consider seeking some counseling, though. Persisting in a self-hating dichotomy such as must be wracking your brain can only lead to self-destruction or domestic terrorism. Just ask Tim McVeigh.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 16:13:47 CET 2003 from sam24.revealed.net (208.16.227.119)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: 2 Guestbooks

Perhaps it is not such a bad idea. I think a separate guestbook for non-musical related topics (i.e. war, politics and etc...) could be beneficial. At the very least until this war is over with.

I don't mind reading everyone's political beliefs and such. But I just don't get into politics much. That's just me. No offense intended. I've always come here to discuss msuic. In short, 2 GB's seems like a good idea for the time being Jan.

Mike


Entered at Fri Mar 28 16:04:03 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6ea3120-cm014260040104.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (65.48.85.247)

Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: the good, the bad, and the ugly

people, people!, dont you think that splitting the guest book is a right wing sort of idea? they cant handle questions, cause they dont think. also, is a right wing authority, eg. us federal government,usually considered dictatorial?

the history of music, literature, art is varied and yes, basically provided by the human family, for free. what is rock and roll all about? lets not become old farts and think that our way is the best way. we had open minds once upon a time, and new music by a lot of the younger audience suggests a new form and perhaps a better veiled attempt at social commentary, given the attitude of their leaders.

you know, i know and several young people are now knowing that the BAND stood for something other, than the evolution to standardised thinking, that allows for a reduction of quality, yet the increase of hype to buy a suspect product. think about cheap consumer goods, eg stereo/video euipment, made in third world(cheap labour), bought on credit(what does this bargain really cost you, when you finish paying for it, not to mention you'll have to get another two pieces when they crap out?), poor quality(cycled back into north america, not once every ten years(shipping/fuel implications, rising costs ie supply and demand)but every year or half year, so therefore, something has to give, like jobs to slaves, quality to junk, so that the hidden investor can keep on keeping on. talk about prosperity, will we, when the youth who are regarded as our future, are bombarded by the right wing and take a look at their McFuture. i think we have to suspend the debate between right and left and look for a circular solution.

its only rock and roll, i'm hungry and are there any leftovers(:+{o}


Entered at Fri Mar 28 15:41:10 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-020castocp0358.dialsprint.net (65.178.73.104)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: The Hawk

Great article about the Hawk ! Certainly groundbreaking treatment he's come up with. Come on Crabby. Nimwit is a term of endearment! Exposing some of the stories surrounding government improprieties is in now way support for Saddam .Nice try though!


Entered at Fri Mar 28 15:31:46 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: A Split? And Turntables, vinyl and the like.

I suppose a split might ease tensions, but I agree with John D-the non Current affairs/politics GB shouldnt just be Band Related. Music, even culture in general, should be the topic. The recent Byrds thread, Liverpool Musicians, how to best clean vinyl were all threads that could have occured if The Band didnt even exist. And frankly those topics are often fresher than the Band posts, not to be sacreligous, but after the 47th conversation about what the "money's no good" means is there much new to say? But hearing about Buddy and Julie Miller's new release? That's news.

I remembered what else I love about Vinyl, I found a really nice Faces album last night that had some cut out covers, ala Sticky Fingers, and about a 12x18 poster inside-I miss album covers.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 15:20:26 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Jan: The way things are is fine by me. Only a rabid few would use both, which would diminish the strength of what you have established and allowed to flourish thus far. After all, most of the political posters here are also thoughtful providers of musical lore and insight. And on more than one occasion we've managed to insult each other to bits just on narrow Band-related topics.

PatB: Nice to see someone else carrying the Rascals can. I still bear the scars.

AlE: Gene Cornish didn't have an Italian voice at all; he hailed from the land of Paul Anka, Ottawa.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 15:07:48 CET 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Busy night on the GB, where to start...

Firstly, Jan, the GB split would be a great thing. Most other sites I visit like Jethro Tull and even non-music ones, have created a separate political GB due to recent developments, so this is NOT a problem unique to this site, believe it or not. Perhaps to improve upon that idea, if possible, is to be able to list the subject lines of one GB on the other so we can decide whether to check it out. Rollie: I am familiar with that letter and supported it at the time, so I find it no big deal. Pat: You are absolutely right about mixing business and politics/government etc., which is one reason I am conservative to begin with. Less government, less taxes, etc. creates less opportunities and temptations for such intermixing. That is my principle and ideal, which even 'conservatives' in government have difficulty adhering to.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 14:51:01 CET 2003 from 112.41.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.41.112)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Rollie

That is great you will be in Casper...actually I live in Kansas now but do visit home (Casper) once in a while and if I'm there when you're there I'll find you...peace.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 14:22:52 CET 2003 from citrix5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.9)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: JH & GB

Split the GB.... YES!

that would be the best thing to happen to this GB in years.... I don't add anything to this place but I love hearing about MUSIC when I come here...and thats all..


Entered at Fri Mar 28 13:36:45 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: 2 Guestbooks

Normally I would NOT agree; but the on going hostility we are now told; could go on for a very long time. I think WE SHOULD have a separate guestbook for all issues other than MUSIC. Notice I didn't say THE BAND. I still think you can mix your Byrds talk etc. in with Band related thoughts. Especially since out favorite group no longer exists. HOW DOES THE OLD LINE GO????....."The Blues Had A Baby and They Called It Rock 'n' Roll." Well it could be said here that....."THE BAND GUESTBOOK HAD A BABY AND THEY CALLED IT ONE HELL OF A MUSIC SITE."

I agree usually with the line that goes, "just scroll by." However these days even I don't have that much scrolling time. The BASIS of this GUESTBOOK is about THE BAND and has grown into a very UNIQUE place to discuss music generally; in an intellectual and many times.....entertaining way. Then again, sometimes it goes nuts; but it's still about the music.

DO IT JAN.

As the SARS issue becomes a bigger issue worldwide I can see health issues coming into the mix. When the war ends and before George W. takes on whomever..... we can talk music in this guestbook and everything else in the other one.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 13:27:01 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Two GB's

I have always loved the GB the way it stands but given the status of world events and the in general mudslinging that seems to have grown, I too now favor the 2 GB's idea. Peter V's idea also stands as a good choice, but I think once we open that box it will be tough to shut.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 13:12:37 CET 2003 from (194.100.60.133)

Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Music isn' t an island

Jerry: Rock was once (when the Band was at it' s peak) progressive, so it is sad to see degeneration of human values in some of its supporters. Look at those LS fans, all I can say.

Crabgrass: Does anti-imperialism, and anti-militaristism mean Saddam-loving in your book? I don' t find even hard-line right-wingers in Finland saying such simplistic nonesense.

Does anybody know anything Robbie' s new album with Rita Coolidge? Oh yes Robbie' s native albums and promise of new ones are the main reason I am here. Without Robbie' s creativity, this site would be another nostalgia trip.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 12:22:18 CET 2003 from 1cust158.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.158)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: GB 3-Way Split

Why not a 3-Way split? One for music, a second for supporters of freedom, and a third one for the immature Saddam loving folks who like to sling personal insults at other posters.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 11:20:49 CET 2003 from du-tele3-203.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.203)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: CSN & R, Two GBs, Loonies

Crosby, Stills, Nash & Robertson. Robbie can sound like Neil Young vocally. The magic of CSN was their vocal blend, which they had anyway before Neil Young made it four. Neil Young was always interesting enough as a solo artist without the group. Robbie’s a more tasteful guitarist. His writing contribution would have replaced Neil’s.

Other way round … phew, hard one. I can’t think of any sensible replacement (i.e. one to go), but how about just adding Steve Stills on second guitar? Definite signature voice.

Al, what a list! How many of these lasted more than one gig though?

Two GBs – I’m definitely against a threaded GB – it gets like every other site and loses flow, and while I think a lot of the pleasure of this site is that it does range far and wide, it could be an excellent idea to have a “Politics / Current Affairs” section for the duration of hostilities – I’d then suggest scrapping it and going back to a unified GB. I have had quite a few posts that I scrapped / discarded because I didn’t want to accelerate the move away from a music forum to a political forum, and would visit both sides.

Some posts genuinely cross over- Matt K on this Savage prat would be “definitely Band related” to me and best in the music section. What I fear would happen is that those who really want to push their points of view might “repeat post” in both, which would be a shame.

Then I can post my polit … hell, let’s post it anyway. It’s mercifully short. Just reading David Thomson’s non-fiction “In Nevada” (1999) this morning. He tells of one Larry Wayne Harris:

“Harris was colourful. Apart from his white supremacist ties he alleged contacts with Iraqis who had warned him of that nation’s plan to unleash a biological attack on the United States, and he had made it his business – both in his book and in his readiness to lecture around the country- to spread the word of that threat.”
Harris was arrested in 1995 for obtaining bubonic plague bacteria under false pretenses. So does this threat come down to his ravings?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 11:05:04 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: GB

Sounds like a good idea Jan. It may work.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 10:59:39 CET 2003 from (213.48.94.12)

Posted by:

M

Location: Newcastle, UK

Subject: Split?

Yes to the split, Jan! I can listen to millions of opinions at the pub if I really want to. I come here to talk about The Band...


Entered at Fri Mar 28 10:07:16 CET 2003 from proxy.newmedia.no (212.71.66.13)

Posted by:

Jens Magnus

Location: Oslo

Subject: Definitely time for a split

Dear Jan, I think your idea about two guestbooks is the best in years.

En glimrende idé. Now, back to the Band.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 09:39:16 CET 2003 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

Posted by:

jh

Location: Halden, Norway
Web: My link

Subject: Time for a split?

It's getting a little difficult to find the Band/music-related stuff among all the politics and war and whatnot going on in the guestbook these days. (or should I say "guestbook" - this place stopped being a normal GB years ago, it's like a runaway pet now, if you know what I mean).

The idea of threads in here was dropped a while ago, but maybe we need _two_ "guestbooks"? One for stuff about music and The Band and this web site, and one for everything else? It'll take me about 5 minutes to re-program this thing to use two files instead of one.

Yes? No?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 09:32:56 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St Paul

Kalervo....In my book being progresive and open minded is the ability to accept others opinions and views for what they are and if they differ from what yours are debating those differences. It has nothing to do with what kind of music I listen to, am I more enlightened to the world events because I love the Band, I doubt it...the Band was a great rock band, hardly something I base my beliefs on...

Labeling this site as degenerating to a Skynyrd level is what really got my attention though I must admit, because ya see I happen to like L.S. and though I don't own any of there music when they play "Free Bird" on the local geezer station my toe is a tapping...I'm sure I'm not as enlightened as you are, but our views on the world situation are somewhat the same...I'll bet that makes you feel good huh bud...are you sure your not a closet Skynyrd fan??..


Entered at Fri Mar 28 09:20:57 CET 2003 from 172.red-80-58-4.pooles.rima-tde.net (80.58.4.172)

Posted by:

Hans

Location: Spain
Web: My link

Subject: Band covers

I would like find all "the nite they drove...." covers . Fantastic J. Cash one. Help me please!


Entered at Fri Mar 28 09:16:25 CET 2003 from 172.red-80-58-4.pooles.rima-tde.net (80.58.4.172)

Posted by:

Jota

Location: Madrid - Spain
Web: My link

Subject: Spain's war?

Could you explain me what are my governments doing in this brainless war? And yours? Who sows winds gathers tempests PD: Fantastic site!! Greetings from Madrid A the band's fan


Entered at Fri Mar 28 07:13:06 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0128.dialsprint.net (65.178.112.128)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Nimwit

Read the letter for your self(address at the bottom) nimwit!


Entered at Fri Mar 28 07:05:24 CET 2003 from 1cust74.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.74)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Memory Jarred!

Oh, I just reminded myself that Bush met with Mohammed Atta and personally ordered the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers. Now, it's all coming back!!


Entered at Fri Mar 28 06:51:13 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0128.dialsprint.net (65.178.112.128)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: LW

By the way JW, I was at the Last Waltz! Have I mentioned this yet?


Entered at Fri Mar 28 06:48:46 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0128.dialsprint.net (65.178.112.128)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: U.S. plan for Iraq drafted well before 9-11(read it and weep)

The existence of the Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz "war" letters is just another reason to question the Bush Administration's desire to go to war with Iraq now instead of dealing with other pressing issues such as Al-Qaeda. Because the letters were written in 1998 it proves that this war was planned well before 9-11 and casts further doubt on the claims that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9-11 terrorist attacks. In 1998, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were working in the private sector. Both were involved with the right-wing think tank Project for a New American Century, which was established in 1997 by William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, to promote global leadership and dictate American foreign policy. While Clinton was dealing with the worldwide threat from Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz wrote to Clinton urging him to use military force against Iraq and remove Hussein from power because the country posed a threat to the United States due to its alleged ability to develop weapons of mass destruction. The Jan 26, 1998 letter sent to Clinton from the Project for the New American Century said a war with Iraq should be initiated even if the United States could not muster support from its allies in the United Nations. Kristol also signed the letter. The full contents of the Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz letter can be viewed at http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.


Entered at Fri Mar 28 06:31:46 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0128.dialsprint.net (65.178.112.128)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: CIA

INTELLIGENCE C.I.A. Aides Feel Pressure in Preparing Iraqi Reports By JAMES RISEN ASHINGTON, March 22 — The recent disclosure that reports claiming Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger were based partly on forged documents has renewed complaints among analysts at the C.I.A. about the way intelligence related to Iraq has been handled, several intelligence officials said. Analysts at the agency said they had felt pressured to make their intelligence reports on Iraq conform to Bush administration policies. For months, a few C.I.A. analysts have privately expressed concerns to colleagues and Congressional officials that they have faced pressure in writing intelligence reports to emphasize links between Saddam Hussein's government and Al Qaeda. As the White House contended that links between Mr. Hussein and Al Qaeda justified military action against Iraq, these analysts complained that reports on Iraq have attracted unusually intense scrutiny from senior policy makers within the Bush administration. "A lot of analysts have been upset about the way the Iraq-Al Qaeda case has been handled," said one intelligence official familiar with the debate. That debate was renewed after the disclosure two weeks ago by Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, that the claim that Iraq sought to buy uranium from Niger was based partly on forged documents. The claim had been cited publicly by President Bush. "The forgery heightened people's feelings that they were being embarrassed by the way Iraqi intelligence has been handled," said one government official who has talked with C.I.A. analysts about the issue. The forged documents were not created by the C.I.A. or any other United States government agency, and C.I.A. officials were always suspicious of the documents, American intelligence officials said. But the information still ended up being used in public by Mr. Bush. Intelligence officials said there was other information, which was deemed to be credible, that raised concerns about a possible uranium connection between Niger and Iraq. Several analysts have told colleagues they have become so frustrated that they have considered leaving the agency, according to government officials who have talked with the analysts. "Several people have told me how distraught they have been about what has been going on," said one government official who said he had talked with several C.I.A. analysts. None of the analysts are willing to talk directly to news organizations, the official said.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

John D: Your pick woulda been a killer for sure... maybe Levon would have helped them re-achieve a Buffalo Springfield-ervana?... My Vote: Hendrix, Garcia & Garth... to go along with the pretty good warm up band... CSNYDMHR... OK, I didn't stay inside the lines... hee hee hee... btw, which Garth show(s) are you attending in late May?... All of them?... And what about you BEG?... btw, I can't wait for the Daniel Lanois CD to come out... my youngest brother turned me on to him, and his music is something we share a common love of...

Congrats to JRR... I hope you get to reconnect with lots of good family love...

In the spirit of... it'd be nice to see people's emails again... not that I have anything really intelligent to say right now... but anyway, I'm at dlzuckATzucks.com...


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: "Warmongers" and Terrorists

I seem to recall that the Terrorists attacked the "Warmongers." And I wish Robbie would reveal his non-archaic plan to rid the world of dictators instead of singing that musically lame, repetitious, and very monotonous non-Bandlike song "Making A Noise" on that award show. Wonder if Robbie has a non-archaic plan to get rid of the Terrorists too - maybe Bush should invite them to dine at the White House or something on that order? Did Robbie learn his non-archaic conflict solving methods from the peace loving Native American tribes who lived on this continent in perfect harmony with each other? Inquiring minds want to know!!


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Ed Voci

Ed Voci for President!!!!! Hey Ray Pence.Looks like I'll be playing the Beartrap Festival in Casper this summer.I'll be backing up Mike Hurwitz.I'll look ya up........


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Fox News, Savage Michael, The Band

Fox News is to the Bush administration as Pravda was to the Soviet Communist party.

Michael Savage: have heard of him, haven't heard him. Don't need to. Media commentary has become like professional wrestling, even though that might be unfair to professional wrestlers. Just as the professional wrestlers are usually good friends behind the scenes and united in their love of the scam, the professional pundits know how to make the most of the public's appetite for staged bloodletting. Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, and the rest know there are plenty of whites who fancy themselves victims and they're making a handsome living by pushing their buttons.

And last but not least...the Band. In the late sixties one of the things the Band stood for was sanctuary from the noise, overkill, and tumult that dominated the counter-cultural response to the "establishment." In some ways their demeanor and idiom were more in harmony with conservative modes of thought than with ostensibly progressive ones. Once again, recall Robbie's oft-quoted disdain for the parent-hating impulses of many of his peers (strange to think of the Lizard King and Robbie as peers, though), and his affirmation of America as a place where he realized his ambitions (at the expense of his Bandmates, according to some).

Are the sound and ethos of the Band still a sanctuary from a society that has gone from the absurd to the grotesque and now far beyond that? Because we/I sure could use some relief.

I keep thinking about Rick's "People of Conscience" and how important that song keeps getting...

(Sorry if my post is too reminiscent of Greil Marcus)


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Uh-Huh...Yeh-Yeh Yeah-Yeah!

Al, mate, tha' were fookin AMAZIN',tha', la! Get that to Macca and Ringo....It'd be great to hear THEM comment on a list like that.....I've heard that The Remo Four were actually the tightest band for playing Chuck Bery in Liverpool at the time....true?

BYRDS FANS:

David Crosby speaking about JFK at Monterey......he was right, wasn't he?

The words here over Ben Pikes comments about Mary(bear)'s situation illustrate EXACTLY why war is wrong......Fear and desparation are the order of the day.....It may inspire bravery and courage but War brings out the worst fear and the worst behaviour in people.....

Beware of Darkness.....it can hit you......

Before I caught up with Tonites GB I watched the last song of Bob Dylans MTV Unplugged.......

"With God On Our Side" sez it all really.......

All Hail Global America! (see my link)

May You All Be Safe From Terrorists and Warmongers.....Wherever You Are.........


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: More JRR

From Canadian Press budget file March 27 . . .

OTTAWA — Rock music artist Robbie Robertson is relishing the idea of going back to his roots when he accepts lifetime achievement recognition at the National Aboriginal Achievement Awards here Friday night.

“It honours and it brings me back to the place where it all started for me and my connection with music,” Robertson told a news conference at the National Arts Centre.

“To me, this is like me paying tribute to the family at Six Nations, it’s extra special for sure.”

Ever since he first picked up a guitar when he was eight years old and growing up on a reserve in southern Ontario, Robertson knew his talent was a way out.

“What it did was it set me up to have the confidence to go to the next step,” said Robertson who understood early on the importance of native storytelling.

“In the native culture of North America, things are passed on through stories. That really affected me. “It was like, ‘Well, I want to play music and I want to be the centre of attention and I want to tell stories. But I don’t want to just tell them to you, I want to tell them to everybody.’ “

And Robertson has done that — selling millions of albums as a member of rock group The Band and later, as a solo artist.

Robertson first met the legendary Ronnie Hawkins when he was 15. One year and hours and hours of practising later, he played with Hawkins and his group, the Hawks.

The Hawks eventually caught the ear of Bob Dylan who saw their talent immediately, signing them to back his 1965-66 world tour.

Renamed The Band, Robertson and his mates eventually became one of rock’s historic acts, renowned for songs such as The Weight and Up on Cripple Creek.

The Toronto-born music legend, who currently resides in Los Angeles, is still recording and spending much of his time in the studio.

He said he was looking forward to an upcoming EMI release of some of his best music and a box set of classics from The Band is likely to hit store shelves in the fall.

The 60-year-old Robertson is also scouting talent for Dreamworks and working on a musical about native Americans.

“It doesn’t leave many extra hours in the day, all of this, but it’s all good stuff,” he said.

Actor Tom Jackson, who hosted the first NAAAs 10 years ago, is back to emcee this year’s event which will feature performances from Canada’s top Aboriginal artists including Susan Aglukark and Sarah Saint.

Robertson will perform Making A Noise, which he sang at last year’s Winter Olympics and just as he did there, some of the lyrics will be toned down.

“The other version is much longer and the language isn’t as family-oriented,” Robertson said.

Something else that will be toned down is the rhetoric about the war in Iraq.

Robertson has many opinions on the war — mostly, that it’s wrong and an archaic way to try to rid the world of a dictator— but he said he wasn’t planning any commentary when he hits the stage at the sold-out National Arts Centre.

“I think that there’s a time and place for things.”



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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

mattk, that Savage moron is just the logical extension of the idiocy of talk radio. Truly execrable, and surprise, surprise, he's getting his own cable show. Perhaps on CNN.

BTW, my wonderful wife walked in today and asked me if Fox cable was some kind of propaganda arm of the government. She's not particularly tuned into the machinations of cable news in general and Fox in particular so I congratulated her on being correct in her assessment. It's funny that a fairly apolitical woman who spends most of her time raising and caring for kids--in other words, very little media input--can watch a station like Fox cable and suss out the bullsh*t rather easily.


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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: JRR

Excerpt of list of news events for Friday, March 28:

OTTAWA — Robbie Robertson receives lifetime achievement award at the National Aboriginal Achievement Awards gala hosted by Tom Jackson. Among performers are Rita Coolidge and Susan Aglukark. Event begins with 1:30 p.m. gathering at the Library and Archives of Canada, 395 Wellington St. Awards at 7:30 p.m. at the NAC. (1:30 p.m. at National Arts Centre)


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Al, as some of the oldtimers here can attest, discussing the Rascals can be dangerous to your health. But here goes. A group of musicians form to back up a singer with gigs. The set list is a few of the singer's hits and a ton of dance oriented R&B. They play the clubs, get really good, and build quite a following, but the musicians decide to go off and do their own thing. A great drummer, the organ is a big part of the sound, and three lead singers. Woodshed a bit then start playing the clubs on their own. Sign a contract and boom, become big stars. Sounds like the boys but its the Rascals. My point was that both bands shared an interestingly similiar history before they bloomed, but where The Band mined a kind of Americana reflective of the Dylan prism, the Rascals used R&B as their base and swirled off into jazzier terrain.

Rhino has remastered their entire catalog which is definitely for the committed. But you could pick up a Greatest Hits package and do fine. Personally, there are a lot of album cuts that I consider crucial, but I can't recommend buying the whole catalog in one box set, as great a package as it is. For starters, it's a lot of money. It's also for completists. Surprisingly, almost no bonus material, which is a shame because one of the great unreleased albums is a live one Atlantic did of the group at its peak but never released.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

John W., as you perceptively pointed out, nothing I said was anti-capitalism. And everything I said was true. Eisenhower saw the danger and spoke of it. It was probably his greatest moment as President. And the one thing these dipshits who now populate Washington share is a nearly genetic need to rape the system and line their pockets with untold and unearned wealth. And John W., its your money and my money thats going into their pockets.

Its worth repeating: the intersection of politics and business is a cesspool.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Al = you really have some seriously free time don't you?

Ben = I gotta jump in on this - Unless you have some reason, or proof to base your horrendous comments on - how are you going to feel if something happens to this poor guy who's out there defending your right to say stupid things?.

Mary(bear), hang in there.


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Al Edge

Al Edge, Mate, I loved the last post! I appreciate a fella that can share a seriously cool list. Kind of funny. I have a soft spot for such things and love to leaf through the index of a good book. In light of all this commotion and hubbub ya lightened me up and really feel much better. Thanks for the break, y'ol "Souser!" :)



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Posted by:

Fred

Al Edge: I dare you to say your Liverpool rock group list backwards (from #418 to #1) ten times really fast while standing on your left foot, right hand behind your back! I think you're right, Liverpool IS the Memphis of En-ger-land!

I just recieved School For Fools the other day, and I must say that it is terrific. If you haven't bought it yet, you should....money well spent!

I think I'm going to quit my job and open up a restaurant catering to leftists the world over, with the menu based on French and Latin American cuisine, calling it CHEZ Guevera.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Nash them gnashers

Brien - I agree that Graham Nash was a bit of a lightweight in CSNY, particularly set against the scope of Neil Young. That said in The Hollies he was a genuine unpolished diamond and along with Allan Clarke and Tony Hicks gave them those pulsating driving innocent high octane harmonies to match anything in pop. All of which goes to show I suppose that an entity which evolves naturally can invariably outshine that which is assembled. Which I guess brings us round to what all of us on here feel is the best popular musical evolution of the lot - four canadians and a Yank. Personally I can never envisage any of our earthly angels outside of that quintet. Nor do I want to. Why tamper even hypothetically with what was so manifestly perfection here on earth? Nice try tho Bri and I do see where you were coming from ;-o)


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: My vote.......CROSBY STILLS YOUNG & HELM


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Groovin' with Mister [Pat] B

You're doggone right MattK. Sure is some weird shit out there. On here too. Would you believe some daft bugger posted below that he firmly believed that Americans played rounders!!! As if!! Tsk, tsk. :-o)

Also some other idiot lists the names of 418 different groups no more than a few paragraphs down from here!!!

Pat B - this Searchers/Beatles/Kingsize Taylor stuff has had me ploughing through Google to trace back to the early days of Merseybeat.

Sadly I was 3 or 4 years too young for an authentic live experience of the scene though I did get to see The Beatles, The Big Three and Gerry and Pacemakers. Most of my knowledge is second hand from family, friends etc.

What was truly incredible was the amount of groups around. On some sites they talk in terms of over a thousand groups in Liverpool by 1964. Most I managed to find was 418 but it's still quite staggering and I'll post them just for novelty value.

1. The Aarons 2. Abraham and his Lot 3. Adam and the Sinners 4. The Alamos 5. Alby and the Sinners 6. Steve Aldo and the Challengers 6. The Alibis 7. The Michael Allen Group 8. The Almost Blues 9. The Alphas 10. The Ambassadors 11. The Anzacs 12. Johnny Apollo and the Spartans 13. The Aristocrats 14. The Arrows 15. The Aztecs 16. Gerry Bach and the Beethovens 17. The Backbeats 18. The Banshees 19. The Beatcombers 20. The Beathovens 21. The Beatles 22. The Bobby Bell Rockers 23. Dave Bell and the Bell Boys 24. Steve Bennet and the Syndicate 25. Pete Best and the Original All Stars 26. Pete Beest Four/Combo 27. The Big Three 28. Cilla Black 29. The Black Cats 30. The Black Diamonds 31. The Blackjacks 32. The Black Knights 33. The Black Velvets 34. The Blackwells 35. The Blue Chips 56. The Blue Diamonds 57. The Bluegenes 58. The Blue Mountain Boys 59. The Blue Notes 60. The Blues System 61. Bobby and the Bachelors 62. The Boot Hill Billys 63. Phil Brady and the Ranchers 64. The Breakaways 65. The Bumblies 66. Billy Butler 67. Mike Byrne and the Thunderbirds 68. The Cadillacs 69. Tony Carlton and the Mersey Four 70. Howie Casey and the Seniors 71. Cass and the Cassanovas 72. Lee Castle and the Barons 73. The Cavaliers 74. The Cavemen 75. The Centermen 76. The Chain Gang 77. The Challengers 78. The Chants 79. The Cheaters 80. The Chessmen 81. The Cimarrons 82. The Cirques 83. The Citadels 84. The City Beats 85. The Clansmen 86. The Clayton Squares 87. The Climbers 88. The Coins 89. The Collegians 90. The Columbians 91. The Comets 92. The Concords 93. The Connoisseurs 94. The Conquests 95. The Conspirators 96. The Corals 97. The Cordes 98. The Corsairs 99. The Corvettes 100. The Country Four 101. The Creoles 102. The Crescendos 103. Lee Crombie and the Sundowners 104. The Crossbeats 105. The Croupiers 106. The Crusaders 107. The Cryin' Shames 108. Lee Curtis and the All Stars 109. The Daleks 110. Ken Dallas and the Silhouettes 111. Danny and the Asteroids 112. Danny and the Hit Cats 113. Gene Day and the Jangobeats 114. Steve Day and the Drifters 115. The Dealers 116. Buddy Dean and the Teachers 117. Eddie Dean and the Onlookers 118. The Deans 119. Dee and the Dynamites 120. The Deerstalkers 121. The Defiants 122. The Delacardoes 123. The Delemeres 124. The Delmonts 125. The Del Renas 126. The Deltones 127. The Demoiselles 128. The Denems 129. Denis and the New Towns 130. The Dennisons 131. The Deputies 132. The Detours 133. The Diablos 134. The Dimensions 135. Dino and the Wild Fires 136. The Diplomats 137. The Downbeats 138. The Dynachords 139. Vince Earl and the Zeros 140. The Earthlings 141. The Easybeats 142. The Elektrons 143. Clay Ellis and the Raiders 144. The Epics 145. The Escorts 146. Bob Evans and the Five Shillings 147. The Excheckers 148. The Executioners 149. The Expressions 150. The Eyes 151. The Factotums 152. Eddy Falcon and the Vampires 153. The Falcons 154. Faron andd the Tempest Tornadoes 155. Faron's Flamingos 156. The FBI 157. The Federal Five 158. Dee Fenton and the Silhouettes 159. The Few 160. The Fix 161. The Flames 162. The Flintstones 163. The Fontanas 164. The Four Aces 165. The Four Clefs 166. The Four Dimensions 167. The Four Jays 168. The Four Just Men 169. The Fourmost 170. The Fruit Eating Bears 171. The Galaxies 172. The Galvinizers 173. The Gay Tones 174. The Georgians 175. Gerry and the Pacemakers 176. The Ghost Riders 177. The Gibsons 178. Ricky Gleason and the Top Spots 179. The Globetrotters 180. Garry B. Goode and the Hots Rods 181. Chick Graham and the Coasters 182. The Griff Parry Five 183. Group One 184. Groups Inc. 185. Gus and the Thundercaps 186. The Johnny Gus Set 187. The Hailers 188. The Harlems 189. Barbara Harrison 190. Danny Havoc and the Secrets 191. Danny Havoc and the Ventures 192. The Heralds 193. The Hi Cats 194. The Hi-Hats 195. The Hideaways 196. The Hillsiders 197. The Terry Hines Sextet 198. The Hi Spots 199. The Huntsmen 200. The Hustlers 201. Ian and the Zodiacs 202. The Incas 203. The Inmaters 204. The Invaders 205. The Jackobeats 206. Tony Jackson and the Vibrations 207. The Jaguars 208. Jenny and the Tall Boys 209. The Jensons 210. Jet and the Valiants 211. The Jets 212. The Jokers 213. Casey Jones and the Engineers 214. The Kandies 215. The Kansas City Five 216. The Karacters 217. Sonny Kaye and the Reds 218. The Kingpins 219. The Kinsleys 220. The Kirkbys 221. Frank Knight and the Barons 222. Billy Kramer with the Dakotas 223. The Kruzads 224. The Kubas/Koobas 225. The Landslides 226. Danny Lee and his Stalkers 227. The Lee Eddie Five 228. Liam and the Invaders 229. The L'il Thre 230. The Lincolns 231. The Liver Birds 232. The Long and the Short 233. The Mafia 234. The Maraccas 235. The Marescas 236. The Mark Four 237. The Marlins 238. Johnny Marlowe and the Whip Chords 239. Beryl Marsden 240. The Masqueraders 241. The Master Minds 242. The Mastersounds 243. The Mavericks 244. The Memphis Three 245. The Merseybeats 246. The Mersey Blue Beats 247. The Mersey Four 248. The Mersey Five 249. The Mersey Men 250. The Mersey Monsters 251. The Method 252. Mike and the Explorers 253. The Missouri Drifters 254. The Mojos 255. Roy Montrose and the Midnights 256. The Morockans 257. The Motifs 258. Mr Lee and Co. 259. The Musicians 260. The Music Students 261. The Mustangs 262. The Nameless Ones 263. The Nocturns 264. The Nomads 265. The Notions 266. Ogi and the Flintstones 267. The Others 268. Paddy, Klaus and Gibson 269. The Paladins 270. The Panthers 271. The Pathfinders 272. Paul and the Diamonds 273. Johnny Paul and the Dee Jays 274. Lee Paul and the Boys 275. The Pawns 276. Mark Peters and Cyclones 277. Mark Peters and the Method 278. Mark Peters and the Silhouettes 279. The Phantoms 280. Pete Picasso and the Rock Sculptors 281. The Pilgrims 282. The Plebs 283. The Pontiacs 284. The Poppies 285. The Premiers 286. Johnny President and the Senators 287. The Press Gang 288. The Pressmen 289. Earl Preston and TT's 290. Earl Preston's Realms 291. The Profiles 292. The Prowlers 293. The Pyramids 294. The Quarrymen 295. Tommy Quickly 296. The Quiet Ones 297. The Quintones 298. The Rainchecks 299. The Rainmakers 300. The Ramrods 301. The Remo Four 302. The Renegades 303. The Renicks 304. Rhythm and Blues Inc. 305. The Rhythm Rockers 306. The Richmond 307. Ricky and Dominant Four 308. Rikki and the Red Streaks 309. Johnny Ringo and the Colts 310. The Riot Squad 311. Rip Van Winkle and the Rip It Ups 312. The Rivals 313. The Roadrunners 314. Cliff Roberts' Rockers 315. Dale Roberts and the Jay Walkers 316. The Robettes 317. Robin and the Ravens 318. The Rockefellers 319. Rogues Gallery 320. The Rontons 321. Rory and the Globe Trotters 322. Roy and the Dions 323. Earlm Royce and the Olympics 324. The Runaways 325. The Sandgrounders 326. Johnny Sandon and the Remo Four 327. Johnny Sandon and the Searchers 328. The Sapphires 329. Ray Satan and the Devils 330. Mike Savage and the Wild Cats 331. Savva and the Democrats 332. Scaffold 333. The Schatz 334. The Searchers 335. The Secrets 336. The Seftons 337. The Senators 338. The Sensations 339. The Sepias 340. Denny Seyton and the Sabres 341. The Shades 342. Lee Shondell and the Capitols 343. Lee Shondell's Boys 344. The Silver Beatles 345. The Skeletons 346. The Skylarks 347. The Sneakers 348. The Sobells 349. The Sorrals 350. The Soul-seekers 351. The Spidermen 352. The Sportsmen 353. The Squad 354. Dean Stacey and the Detonators 355. Geoff Stacey and the Wanderers 356. Freddie Starr and the Delmonts 357. Freddie Starr and the Flamingos 358. Freddie Starr and the Midnighters 359. Freddie Starr and the Ventures 360. The Statesmen 361. The Stereos 362. The St Louis Checks 363. Rory Storm and the Hurricanes 364. The Strangers 365. The Sundowners 366. The Swaydes 367. The Swinging Blue Jeans 368. The Syndicate 369 The Tabs 370. The 'Takers 371. The Talismen 372. Kingsize Taylor and the Dominoes 373. The Team-mates 374. The Teenbeats 375. Johnny Tempest and the Tornadoes 376. The Tempos 377. Karl Terry and the Cruisers 378. The Texans 379. Them Grimbles 380. The Three Bells 381. The Thrillers 382. The Thunderbirds 383. Tiffany's Thoughts 384. The TJs 385. The Tokens 386. Tommy and the Olympics 387. Tommy and the Satellites 388. The Traders 389. The Travellers 390. Gus Travis and the Midnighters 391. The Tremas 392. The Trends 393. The Trents 394. Cy Tucker and the Friars 395. The Tuxedos 396. The Undertakers 397. Paul Valence and the Tremors 398. The Valkyries 399. The Vampires 400. The Vegas Five 401. The Ventures 402. Vic and the Spidermen 403. Vic and the TTs 404. The Vigilantes 405. Carl Vincent and the Counts 406. Vinny and the Dukes 407. Hank Walters and the Dusty Road Ramblers 408. Sonny Webb and the Cascades 409. The Wild Harks 410. Derry Wilkie and the Others 411. Derry Wilkie and the Pressmen 412. Vance Williams and the Rhythm Four 413. The Wranglers 414. Wump and His Werbles 415. Dee Young and the Pontiacs 416. The Young Ones 417. The Zenith Six 418. The Zephyrs

From that little bunch it's clearly evident that The Beatles were the unique apex of a huge pyramid of musical exhuberance if not in most instances virtuoso talent. Forinstance the boom came before The Beatles had legitimised/popularised artists writing their own stuff so most would have most likely simply been bellowing out the same old numbers as each other. The mind boggles as to just how many times it was possible to sing Louie Louie in Liverpool on any given Saturday night!!!!

Funny also to read some of the Beatles's contempories who reckon they might have made it as big if they'd had the good luck of the Fab Four. Dream on fellas.

Another thing struck me. The number of the old group members still dotted around the music business as Engineers and producers and so on. Some of them in the States and Canada.

Which brings me to you Pat.

It would seem one of these guys - Chris Nugent from a group called The Undertakers - went on to become involved in the production of one of your personal faves - The Rascals. Just a brief snatch from an interview but you might be interested :-

"I was thrilled beyond belief to work with James Brown and Ben E. King. Two artists whose records I had bought, back in Liverpool, just a few years before. Later Led Zeppelin and The Who. Also great artists.

With great fondness I remember the “Groovin’” sessions. As if they were yesterday. The Rascals were just four regular guys from Lodi, New Jersey, who had talent by the truckload. They wrote their own songs and had rich Italian voices and they became friends."

Talking of which them Rascals occupy a glaring void in my record collection which I wouldn't mind correcting. Any recommendations Pat? Preferably with Groovin' included but I'll be guided by your goodself.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Something other than the war or Ben bashing

I was trying to come up with something different to discuss besides the war AND I also know more about the Byrds than I ever thought I would(and that's not sarcastic). So here it is - we can run with this for a bit or it can die in the dead letter box.., If you had to replace ONE member of CSNY with a member of the Band - who would it be? Personally - I'd replace Nash with Rick - for no other reason than I never cared that much for Nash (don't hate him - he just never did a lot for me)...., OR how bout the reverse - if you had to replace a member of the Band with one of the CSNY guys - then how bout Neil Young step in for RR - what would that have sounded like?


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Matt K Talk Radio

The fact that this Savage guy has a microphone is terrifying. I have never seen a time that I remember that had so many people screaming at one another over this war; with differences of opinion. Not Desert Storm or Vietnam or any war I remember in my time. It's very sad Well when Iraq is "liberated" we'll see what happens next.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Hating myself

Matt: I only hate myself when I go to the salad bar and my plate is filled with everything but healthy salad! Or if I mix tequila with wine and wake up feeling like s*** or if I let Ben Pike rile me. I've never heard of Savage. Past my bedtime.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Ben, will you give it a rest already! You do the antiwar movement (of which I consider myself a member) a disservice with your insensitivity. Why you would keep attacking these people is really beyond me. Please, give it a rest. Mary: my thoughts are with you and your family.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Lil, If it's reality, why do I feel like you are mixing up your internet friends with your favorite CNN stars/reporters? Well, that is what the internet is all about....


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: one more thing

Sorry to interrupt again, but the only other cuts Savage spent any time mocking were "Ballad of Easy Rider" by Roger McGuinn and "Wasn't Born to Follow" by The Byrds.

I wonder if Savage is a GB lurker? Does this make folks like Butch, John W and JTullfan self-hating Band fans?


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Our Savage Nation

Last night, I was driving back from a gig, and I was listening to talk radio as I'm wont to do as it keeps me awake. Usually, I listen to Art Bell (or his replacement). The whackier the talk, the more entertained I am.

Anyway, I wasn't in the mood for UFO or NCAA tourney talk, and I managed to pick up my favorite right-wing wingnut Michael Savage's show. For those not in the know, Savage is the latest envelope-pusher for the American Right, a man who literally considers GWB a liberal, and advocates the return of the Sedition Act in order lock up each and every protestor or anyone daring to criticize the gub'ment during war time.

I usually will listen to Savage for about 30 minutes before his logic meltdowns start and emotional hyperbole tend to get a bit too much for me.

I stopped, transfixed by the rather odd juxtaposition of Savages nasal whine going on and on about "going to the love-in" and "catching the syph" over...THE WEIGHT! \Seems Savage decided to play selections off of the Easy Rider soundtrack in an effort to act like a 12-year-old and making up not particularly clever lyrics in an attempt to lampoon the 60s generation, whom he believes not only took over America, but knowingly opened it up to terrorist attacks in an attempt to destroy our "culture" at the hands of "stinking rotten muslims."

Apparently, though, Savage only felt the need to go off at length about "The Weight" (or "Weight" as he called it, deleting the "The"). He went on to describe the singers of the song as deadbeat sixties losers who hate America and want only to infect the minds of young people, turning them into America-hating vermin.

Now, given Butch's political bent, the idea that a fellow right-winger called Levon and Rick "America Hating Vermin," tweaked my funny bone a bit, and I couldn't help but wonder what Butch or Levon must be thinking if they, like me, were driving around in the American night listening to this insane man call The Band everything short of an Al Qaeda cell.

War is ugly, but it can sure make for some damn fine black comedy sometimes.

We now return you to "shock," "awe," and exploding palaces in the cradle of civilization...


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Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Location: Kandahar (recently)

Subject: Saddam's Victory!

I am wishing to thank all who have posted and shown right thinking and given unwavering support for the Iraqi people. The war is not over as Bush and Cheney would have you believe - Saddam will ultimately prevail against the American invaders. Jihad! Jihad!

Allah akbar. God is great!


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Byrds

I seem to be posting a lot today, hope Ive said some worthwhile things.

More than a few times Ive praised the underrated McGuinn\Parsons\White version of the Byrds to have someone always answer with an emphatic agreement. And now I read that David Powell feels much the same, what a group indeed!!!

So why are they not given any credit at all-How many times have a read that McGuinn Rolling Stone Quote where he says he should have broken up the group a few albums earlier than he did? I know Crosby constantly harped on him to break the group up, I think my dislike for Crosby stems from that. I know a lot of Byrd Fans hate Skip Baitlan so much they cant even listen to those later albums. Whatever the reason I cant think of any instance where an incarnation of a major group is so ignored by the masses when it was so damn good. WHile the dont have the overall songwriting chops or choice of voices of the early group, they are certainly a better instrumental outfit and a better live band. So damn underrated.


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Posted by:

John W.

Pat B. - True, you did not criticize capitalism in general. Forgive me if I assumed. It's just there are so many anti-U.S. capitalism voices flying around, it's difficult to read a real strong profit-motive system endorsement from statements like "Cheney helps start a war that will line the pockets of his former company...Intersection of politics and business is a cesspool and by far the greatest threat to democracy...Halliburton is a grotesque multinational with a sweetheart deal from a government run by its former CEO..." ... If I was reading into these statements a condemnation of the system, more than just of Cheney and his former company, forgive me if only the latter applies and not the former! (grammar?)

Tony - I'm not saying what's best for the rest of the world, more like defending our system against the rest of the world telling us what's best for us. Reading Le Monde, the Guardian, etc. I get the impression they think an unregulated free market capitalist system is MORE evil than any system ever created by man. And sure, American wealth has been created in part through judicious use of our natural resources. What's wrong with that? The point is, we CREATED that wealth, we did not rob it by exploiting other countries nor do we go around expecting handouts from wealthier countries. Yes I think the U.S. can claim superiority over nations which do those two things.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Bill's suggestion and Vinyl

There are times I prefer the sound of Vinyl to CD Bill, the player I purchased has tubes so there is a warm tone to it that seems missing in CDs.

And while I agree with you about 45 sounding better on the whole, there are simply a number of Albums that I dont know if they will ever be released on CD. The Kingston Trio album with McGuinn I mentioned is out of print at the moment, Ive purchased 4 Jazz Albums this month that Have been out of print for 20 years. Those are the finds that make owning a record player a must for any music fans.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: string-bender guitar lore (part 2)

Yes, there is a Band connection to the Parsons/White stringbender. Clarence White's original Telecaster with the prototype B-bender now belongs to Marty Stuart, who still uses it. After Mr. White was tragically killed by a drunk driver in 1973, Mr. Stuart purchased the Tele from Mr. White's widow. You can hear it on his cover of "The Shape I'm In" from his self-titled 1992 album.

Atlantan Freddie Weller, after touring with Billy Joe Royal and Paul Revere & the Raiders as a lead guitarist, had a successful solo career in country music in the '70s. Somewhere along the line he evidently crossed paths with Clarence White and began using a B-stringbender Tele also. On his 1975 Columbia album, "Listen To The Young Folks", he recorded a cover of "Up On Cripple Creek" that features some great stringbender licks.

As someone who has struggled to play guitar most of my life, I distinctly remember hearing Clarence White on records for the first time. I had some basic idea of what he was doing but definitely had no clue as to what technique he was using to do it. When I was old enough to go to concerts, I always concentrated on watching the guitar players to try & figure out what they were doing. Even when I was underage, I would sometimes manage to talk, fake or sneak into clubs that served alcohol in order to watch bands play.

In 1969 I got a chance to see Clarence White play in person for the first time when the Byrds played at Emory University in Atlanta. As luck would have it, one of the Byrds' roadies saw this awe-struck young teenager crouched down at the front of the stage, camera in hand, as the group started playing. For some reason, he let me go onstage to watch the concert from the side. From that close vantage point, I was mesmerized as I focused on what Clarence White was doing. After a short while, from that angle I could see that, as he fretted with one hand & picked the strings with the fingers on his other hand, he was pulling down on the neck of his Telecaster.

The Byrds took a short break in the middle of their performance. During the intermission, I remained onstage and drifted towards the back, trying to remain inconspicuous. A little while later, a door right next to me opened and the Byrds walked out one-by-one to start their second set. I was so surprised to suddenly be standing there face-to-face with some of my musical heroes that I could barely manage to say, "you guys sound great tonight", as each member walked by and politely shook my hand. Somehow, I did have sense enough to notice, as Clarence went by holding his Tele, the apparent "secret" behind his string-bending technique. I quickly spotted that the peg where his strap fastened was slightly larger than normal and was attached to some sort of metal plate on the back of the guitar body.

Not long after that I read about his B-stringbender in a guitar magazine. A friend of mine, several years later, was taking guitar lessons from Mylon LeFevre's lead guitarist, Auburn Burrell. Auburn also had a stringbender, in addition to a pedal steel, and explained how the thing worked. Back then the device was still kind of hard to find and you had to know just who to see to get one custom installed. By that time I had started to notice more & more different guitarists were using it on recordings.

In the early '70s, I got to see the McGuinn, White, Parsons, Batten version of the Byrds. As luck would have it, they were playing at a venue in Atlanta where plays were often staged. An actress friend told me & my friends how to enter the building to get backstage. Without tickets, we easily breezed through a series of unlocked doors and ended up onstage, just to the side of the curtain, as the opening act started playing. The three of us stood there all night, acting liked we belonged and no one hardly even noticed us, except when a roadie came up & asked us if we knew where the beer was. We just shrugged and he walked away. When the Byrds took the stage, once again I found myself watching the great Clarence White from a unique vantage point onstage. I still smile to this day when I remember watching him play, notes flying like sparks as he bent the strings. Both times I saw them, the Byrds performed "This Wheel's On Fire", building momentum slowly until the song ended, literally in an explosion of notes from Clarence White. Man, that was a great group!


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Che nous

And here's me for all these years thinking they built it for that Beatles concert. And all the time it was to play rounders. What a bleedin' swizz - no wonder Che wasn't best pleased :-o(


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Posted by:

Bill

AlE: Thanks for the info on Das Shakers. However, you clearly don't know baseball. There's no way that Guevera would've been proud, as Che Stadium was the home of the Mets, the ultimate in no-hopers while he was alive.


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Posted by:

Bill

Calvin: Good move, digging around for vinyl. I suggest that you focus your hunt on the compact magic of 45s. First, the music on a 45 is almost always better, minute for minute, than on an LP. Second, they're more fun to hold and look at and and play DJ with. My feeling is that if I'm in the mood to invest 15-20 minutes to play an LP side, and then maybe another 15-20 minutes for the other, I might as well play a CD (if available).


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: A spot of intrigue may be afoot methinks - or maybe it's more than a foot

Not sure what you're up to Bill but can reveal that Teddy 'Kingsize' Taylor and his band did indeed release 'Money' before The Fab Four.

The Beatles released 'Money' as final track on 'With The Beatles' album on Nov 22nd 1963.

Teddy and the boys released it as a single some 5 months earlier under their German recording name of The Shakers -

'Money (That's What I Want)'/ 'Memphis Tennessee' POLYDOR NH 52-158 6/63

They then re-released it as Kingsize Taylor & The Dominoes in early '64

BEG - think the problem with Che Guevara was the monstrous ego he developed once they named that New York stadium after him :-o)

I guess there's none so queer as folk, I mean folk heroes ;-o)


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Pat's Point on capitalism, new music, Jessie Malin and turntables

I completely agree Pat, I myself own a few businesses here in the states, and giving your buddies the good deals and the like is standard practice in my business as well. I understand it, probably do it myself, and recognize our tendancy to do business with people we know, "our buddies", isnt always dishonest as much as it is just a normal refelx action. But you are correct the market should set prices, that is how capitalism is suppose to work-not a matter of someone getting the bid because they play golf with the HR DIrector's brother (which is a small exaple concerning myself). WHen concening taxpayer money and government contracts though it is criminal.

Has anyone heard of Jessie Malin? I bought the CD on a whim, mostly because of the stellar reviews, and after 3-4 listens Im pretty sure I cant stand it. After a ton of reviews calling it a classix of the Alt-Country (I hate that name) sound I expected something more than what I got, anyone else hear it?

Early Bird stuff being released? A Hillman album? These are good days.

I recently bought a restored Record Player from probably about 1970 and have picked up some Albums at the local thrift stores, gotta love picking up treasures for .49, and among them have been some pre-Byrd stuff. Among them a live Kingston Trio album featuring "Roger" McGuinn as the Junior 4th member of the Trio who plays guitar but is not allowed to sing (Actually says so on the back cover, in a joking sort of way). Pretty funny the non singer is still out there drawing crowds with his singing.


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Posted by:

tony

John W. wrote "But just look at how many people want to move here, as opposed to how many Americans want to move somewhere else. I will take that as validation of the system we have over here."

or could it be that the high standard of living in the US is due to its incredible wealth of natural resources, and its consumption and selling off of those resources as if there were no tomorrow?

Wealthy people (or peoples) have an annoying tendency to mistake their good fortune for some sort of superiority. We are rich, therefore we know what's best for the rest of the world.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Actually, John W., I own two businesses here in the USA. You are obviously confusing me with someone else since I said nothing about capitalism. However, feel free to think democracy benefits from buying and selling influence, but if the market isn't setting the price, then something is seriously wrong.


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Posted by:

Bill

AlE: Do you know if Kingsize did "Money" cuzza the Beatles? (This question has HISTORY, so be careful.) Also, isn't the only important Wilco the guitarist guy from Dr Feelgood? "Back In The Night" and all that pubrock stuff. Lead singer was Lee something, the husband of Camarillo, I believe.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

It was great to see that ace steel guitarist from Canada......Buddy Cage.....is also on "The Last Redemption" recording with Levon and The Last Hombres....I mentioned to him this week that he should join Garth and Maud next month at the Senator in Toronto since I saw them play together at the Bottom Line but......Oh well.....I can only make suggestions......Speaking of redemption......Besides the very last song Bob Marley recorded on UPRISING (1980) "Redemption Song".....I found a beautiful rendition by Tanita Tikaram.....Her very deeeeeep and alluring voice on....."Redemption Song/O Happy Day".....

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery
none but ourselves can free our minds
Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time
How long shall they kill our prophets
While we stand aside and look
Some say it's just a part of it
We've got to fulfill the book

Won't you help me sing, These songs of freedom
'Cause all I ever had, redemption songs, redemption
Songs, redemption songs
These songs of freedom, songs of freedom" (Bob Marley)

Too bad some of you didn't catch another Canadian.......Daniel Lanois at Canadian Music Week and.....at the El Mocambo singing his songs from "Shine"......His charisma, gentleness and strength just SHINED through.......Btw....A mutual friend of ours told me that Daniel recently bought a loft in Toronto.....so hopefully that's a sure sign of much, much more to come from him......:-D

Al: Thank you! You have restored my faith that only you can get my humoUr......Yes of course I really meant Sgt Ernie Wilco!.....I was just trying to be politically correct for a change....when I posted in code.....;-D..Btw.....I don't BEG!....Unless.....someone similar to the Argentinian......Ernesto "Che" Guevara was offering complimentary photo lessons......;-D.....Just like Allende....both trained Doctors who had a bigger vision.....The people of Chile did democratically elect Allende....but the Criminals...In...Action.....wouldn't allow the voice of the people to be heard......And it was unfortunate that Che didn't even read his own writings on guerrilla warfare.....for he thought he could have a similar revolution in Bolivia.....not even the same terrain!!!!!......Al.....Do ya think he was just smoking too much at the time and having to struggle with his asthma and all???


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Teddy [Kingsize] Taylor - food for afterthought

Btw - Teddy was a butcher by trade.

And there are those who say he butchered 'Memphis Tennesse'.

Meself, I thought that whilst true to say he was no Chuck Berry it was still a fairly choice cut. :-o)

I'll get me coat!


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Small world

Biffs - wow - that was my first ever single - Memphis Tennessee c/w Money by Kingsize Taylor & The Dominoes. Teddy sold it me for half price as we were neighbours. There's you in this diddy little town and me in the metrolopps of Liddellpool listening to the same obscure recording. Very possibly at exactly the same time.

Then again, possibly not.

Good tho eh?

JD - the insight on here is sometimes amazing especially from dark horses like Bill with all his background stuff.

BEG - Wilco is me fave TV show. You do mean Sgt Ernie Wilco I take it? Fort Baxter? Sapprestein? Yeah? No? :-o)


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: rolling stones question

i read in bill wyman's "stone alone" book, that brian jones was going to put together a band with a musical direction in the form of ccr. does anyone know if any of brians ambition were put to acetate or not?

Al Edge, back in the mid sixties, i purchased an lp, called "after school groovin", and my favorite cut was "money", by that group from liverpool that wasn't called the beatles, but kingsize taylor. the album was a compilation style recording, that was purchased at a local variety store, in a small town i lived in during the sixties. your post about your neighbour, rekindled a memory.

it is amazing how Rick Danko's words "dont believe everything you hear and only half of what you see" can engender so many interpretations.[:+}}


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Posted by:

Roberta Nyomo

Location: originally from montana but i am liveing in conn.

Subject: I love the music

I was wondering where I could get the rest of Robbie music. Ihave gone everywhere and nobody sells any of his music. Can some help me please. I am a full blooded Blackfeet Indian, there are not many of us left. I am getting married in Oct.11,2003 I would love to get a artigragh from Robbie Robinson. Ilove the music he writes and preforms to. My husband also loves his music and same with my children. I would like to say thank you for making a voice for us and putting it to music. thank you. if possible.If you have a chance Can someone email me. My email is Blackfeet_girl2003@Yahoo.com or Mail is Apt.138 Summerhill Rd. Middletown Ct. 06457


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Woodlark, Viney, and Rednecks

Viney's point on music is right. We had kept reasonably mellow about the whole thing out here, then some dufus had to remark about Mary's son...anyhow, Woodlark, I see no conflict with having Iraqi friends and American ones. REDNECKS: nice derogatory namecalling.


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Degeneration to Lynyrd Skynyrd level

I always thought that the Band 'people' are progressive and open-minded and peace-loving, but this gb has shown that the 'aura' of the Band lovers has degenerated. The living spirit of the Band died years ago, and don' t say that what is left are the imperialistic, one-eyed, ultra-patriotic redneck fans...Uh what an ugly future...Luckily there are still some Europeans, Canadians and U.S. civilized fans here, although many of us has thought quitting so often.



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Posted by:

Mark

Location: Maine

Subject: John Cass + Baseball

John Cass- Thanks for the tip. Much less than anything else I found and closer to the show. Like you said, no driving after a few beers. I even saved enough to buy a round if we happen to meet up!

Baseball- An interesting choice of words for baseball fans today on ESPN.com. Sammy Sosa's ascent to the 500 home run club was described as "a flurry, a house of fire, it's a train riiiiiiiide, 16 coaches long". There must be a music fan on staff!


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Posted by:

Bill

Basil Viney just mentioned the war, but he thinks he got away with it. JohnW calls PatB names for approving of that arch Euro-weenie Dwight Eisenhower. Woodlark admits seeing Paul Anka in '56, and apparently sees this as a good thing. What is the world coming to?


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Brum, UK

Subject: Malvina and the Searchers

John D. - you should ask Peter Viney about malvina's most famous song - Little Boxes. I think it's one of his personal favourites when sung by -what's that banjo player's name?

The Searchers were terrific. What Have They Done To The Rain and Every Time That You Walk In A Room feature on my favourite home made compilations. Like the Hollies (a little later) they helped create 'folk rock' by taking protest songs and including them on their albums. Manfred Mann were doing it at the same time but didn't achieve prominence quite so early. The Searchers' first three singles came out fairly soon after the Beatles had achieved recognition and all went to number 1 in the UK.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: guitar string-bender lore (part 1)

Although I find myself biting my tongue after reading deplorably insensitive remarks, I continue my resolve to focus on music in this forum & avoid partisan political debate. Adding anything to such discussion only seems to fan & fuel the flames.

As PutEmUp (Jeff) pointed out, I neglected to mention the guitar string-bender mechanism in my post about Clarence White. I did so at the time because I previously mentioned this in the guestbook quite awhile ago. Here is a newly-revised look at this unique device:

Like many other talented guitarists, Clarence White would often employ a technique where he would chime a note on the high E or B string and then reach up, with his other hand, to the head of the neck and pull down on the string between the nut & the peg. By raising the note up a step in tone, the guitarist created a neat little effect by adding emphasis to an individual note within a solo. This little "trick" is easier to do when hitting an open string, but proves my difficult when fretting notes up the guitar neck. Pedal steel guitarists are easily able to create the same effect with their foot pedals used to pull down on the strings.

In late 1965, Clarence White was taking part in a recording session, along with his friend, drummer Gene Parsons. While recording a solo on a particular song, Mr. White came up with the idea of chiming & raising a note at a point where he was way up the neck frets using both hands. To achieve this, he had Mr. Parsons stand beside him so he could reach up & pull down on the string at just the right moment. Later, after the session, the idea occurred to Mr. White, as he talked to his friend, that there must be a way to achieve this effect mechnically, so the guitarist didn't need a third hand. Fortunately, as fate would have it, Mr. Parsons was mechnically inclined, having grown up working in his father's machine shop. After going over several different ideas, he got a steel guitar bridge from Sneaky Pete Kleinkow and devised a relatively compact system of metal rods with pulleys to pull down on a string. One end of the mechanism attached to the guitar string and the other ended to the peg where the guitarist's shoulder strap attached. By pulling down on the guitar neck, the player activated the mechanism to raise the string up a step. Mr. White decided at the time that it would be most useful to attach the device to the B string. The main shortcoming of the mechanism was that it required routing out a compartment in the body of guitar where it could be permanently installed. Rather reluctantly at the time, Mr. White, turned over his vintage Fender Telecaster to Mr. Parsons so he could do his work so Mr. White didn't have to watch.

After some adjustments, the mechanism worked relatively effectively. Using it, the talented Mr. White skillfully carved a niche for himself doing session work, since he could fill the role of a conventional lead guitarist and add pedal steel effects at the same time.

(More on the evolution of this device later, along with a Band connection)


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto

Subject: Daniel Lanois - Shine

Listening to the new Daniel Lanois CD "Shine." As always technically excellent with a whole lot of "Soul." Bono, Emmylou Harris guest. Great duet on "Falling At Your Feet" with Bono.

Here's a note from Lanois on the inside cover. "What a privilege to be able to make music. And what an honour to have it received and appreciated. Here is a small sample of what's cooking in the kitchen. I hope that some piece of it will elevate your spirit. May we all touch a heart somewhere, sometime."

"As Tears Roll By" brings back memories of the "Highs" that Brian Wilson could reach. Once again Daniel gets sounds out of that guitar that are so very spiritual on "JJ Leave L.A." Also nice to see he still spells "honour" with a "u"


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Posted by:

John W.

Pat Brennan - Are you a Socialist, or maybe just a European? What is the problem with profits? So many anti-corporate rants from the Euro-Socialists, anti-"globalization" people, and left wing Americans. You would think that corporations are the root of all evil in this world, when in fact, the free market capitalist system has produced more wealth (across the board, for all classes) than any other social-economic system ever devised. Corporate and political power have always been intertwined in America. I guess it depends on your view of America, as far as whether this is good or evil. But just look at how many people want to move here, as opposed to how many Americans want to move somewhere else. I will take that as validation of the system we have over here.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Fawlty Towers

I'm not suggesting that we should emulate Basil Fawlty by running around like headless chickens yelling 'Don't mention the war!' but while I found Ed's lengthy post informative and interesting and worthy of debate, I would rather have received it by round-robin e-mail than had it filling the Guestbook, because once we get started on this in earnest, I fear the subject will inevitably take over the site … and I think in the end it will rip it apart. I spend about 2 to 3 hours a day watching the news. I read three daily newspapers (BTW, while the news in the serious papers is sobering, in the British Murdoch tabloid The Sun we're really winning this one hands down at a great rate). There are informed discussions and open ones on TV , and every viewpoint is being fully expressed - at least they are here in the UK. Sometimes, as when they show Iraqi spokesmen spouting propoganda for 10 minutes without any rebuttal, to the point of foolishness. I look into this site three or four times a day hoping for some musical discussion to keep my sanity in all this. I find it very hard to focus as I'm sure we all do.

Without thinking, quoting the "Sun", I said "we". I guess that's an important point, because while I truly believe history will judge our current leaders most harshly, these are indeed OUR people who are engaged in this. Soldiers the age of my own kids are out there. Kids they were at school with are out there, and my thoughts are very much with them and with those who have loved ones in our armed services.


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: Paul Anka

Woodlark: The US didn't give the world Paul Anka - Canada did, no matter how hard we might try to avoid the ugly truth.


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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Personal reflections on This War (scroll!)

DAVE Z, MARY BEAR and other gb regulars/visitors who have family members fighting in Iraq: may your family members return back safe.

However, living in Sweden (= my current residence) means that you probably know more Iraqi people than US citizens. After The Gulf War for ten years ago I came in contact with many Iraqi refugees (anti-Saddam), even the children who had been in Baghdad during the bombing of the city. In fact, I know more people from Baghdad than from New York (...looking forward to do some banjo picking with BAYOU SAM and disgussing some theological questions with CRABGRASS, though :-) On the other hand, I have been influenced by (hopefully) the better half of the American culture ever since I saw Paul Anka in Helsinki town in 1956. I have spent some of my greatest moments in High Sierras and San Francisco.

...well, what can I say... this double loyalty makes me confused and sad...I hope God feels the same...
My link is "only" my gb v Card
Email: woodlark.geo(Danish pastry)yahoo.com


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Comfort to the enemy

The goal of S. Hussein is to prolong the war as long as possible. Idiotic (and illegal!) anti-war tactics such as blocking streets, businesses etc. only encourages the Iraqi's that their tactics are working. The assinine idea that bringing our troops home immediately is an act of support and would somehow create a sustainable peace borders on the absurd. No, it is absurd. Oh, if only a peace demonstrator would try to block my car! BTW, we were at peace with Iraq in the 80's, and there is a massive Arab-American population in Detroit, so it is only natural a leader of an Arab country would be honored to some degree there. And if this logic that trading with Hussein back then, or any other future enemy incriminates the U.S. somehow, then the same logic makes the French guilty of the Iraqi war today as they have, and continue to, trade with the U.S. Le Bastards!


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I must say that chortling about fighting a war with the hopes that politically connected companies will profit from it--at the taxpayers expense--is positively arcane. I find insider contracts to be the absolute antithesis of free market conservative economic principles, the exact kind of abuse that Republican President Dwight Eisenhower warned us about. His warning is as germane today as it was in the 1950's, yet the abuses are as obvious.


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Posted by:

Melissa

Location: New York

Subject: Mary's Son

Not sure if this is the appropriate place - but in my search for info on the 2/8 Echo company (especially after today's friendly fire incident) I noticed her post. Mary - my brother is also in 2/8 Echo and our family is starved for information. Please contact me if you'd like to chat. It's nice to be connected to people who understand what you're going through. you can email me at mkrock1@yahoo.com.


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Posted by:

Bill

Richard: If you'd really been in St Kitts last night you could've watched The Fifth Estate on CBC TV. They ran two powerful documentaries - one on Saddam's gassing of the Kurds and their subsequent abandonment by the Gulf War allies, and the other on the arming of Saddam way back in the days of Reagan. The second had a lovely clip of a smiling and younger Donald Rumsfeld shaking the hand of a smiling and younger Saddam on the occasion of some talks towards some no doubt odious (especially in hindsight) deal.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (where, from what I just saw at the Blair-Bush propaganda media appearance, I fear Dubya is hitting the bottle again)

Subject: War Quiz

Iraq War Quiz

ZNet Top

by Stephen Shalom, March 26, 2003

INSTRUCTIONALS

1. The anti-war movement supports our troops by urging that they be brought home immediately so they neither kill nor get killed in a unjust war. How has the Bush administration shown its support for our troops?

a. The Republican-controlled House Budget Committee voted to cut $25 billion in veterans benefits over the next 10 years.

b. The Bush administration proposed cutting $172 million from impact aid programs which provide school funding for children of military personnel.

c. The administration ordered the Dept. of Veterans Affairs to stop publicizing health benefits available to veterans.

d. All of the above.

2. The anti-war movement believes that patriotism means urging our country to do what is right. How do Bush administration officials define patriotism?

a. Patriotism means emulating Dick Cheney, who serves as Vice-President while receiving $100,000-$1,000,000 a year from Halliburton, the multi-billion dollar company which is already lining up for major contracts in post-war Iraq.

b. Patriotism means emulating Richard Perle, the warhawk who serves as head of the Defense Intelligence Board while at the same time meeting with Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi on behalf of Trireme, a company of which he is a managing partner, involved in security and military technologies, and while agreeing to work as a paid lobbyist for Global Crossing, a telecommunications giant seeking a major Pentagon contract.

c. Patriotism means emulating George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, John Bolton, Tom DeLay, John Ashcroft, Lewis Libby, and others who enthusiastically supported the Vietnam War while avoiding serving in it and who now are sending others to kill and be killed in Iraq.

d. All of the above.

3. The Bush administration has accused Saddam Hussein of lying regarding his weapons of mass destruction. Which of the following might be considered less than truthful?

a. Constant claims by the Bush administration that there was documentary evidence linking Iraq to attempted uranium purchases in Niger, despite the fact that the documents were forgeries and CIA analysts doubted their authenticity.

b. A British intelligence report on Iraq's security services that was in fact plagiarized, with selected modifications, from a student article.

c. The frequent citation of the incriminating testimony of Iraqi defector Hussein Kamel, while suppressing that part of the testimony in which Kamel stated that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed following the 1991 Gulf War.

d. All of the above.

4. White House Press Secretary Ari Fleisher stormed out of a press conference when the assembled reporters broke into laughter after he declared that the U.S. would never try to bribe members of the UN. What should Fleisher have said to defend himself?

a. It wasn't just bribery; we also ordered the bugging of the home and office phones and emails of the UN ambassadors of Security Council member states that were undecided on war.

b. Oh, come on! We've been doing this for years. In 1990 when Yemen voted against authorizing war with Iraq, the U.S. ambassador declared "That will be the most expensive 'no' vote you ever cast."

c. Why do you think the Africa Growth and Opportunity Act makes one of the conditions for an African country to receive preferential access to U.S. markets that it "not engage in activities that undermine United States national security or foreign policy interests"?

d. All of the above.

5. George Bush has declared that "we have no fight with the Iraqi people." What could he have cited as supporting evidence?

a. U.S. maintenance of 12 years of crippling sanctions that strengthened Saddam Hussein while contributing to the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

b. The fact that "coalition" forces have indicated that they will use cluster bombs in Iraq, despite warnings from human rights groups that "The use of cluster munitions in Iraq will endanger civilians for years to come."

c. By pointing to the analogy of Afghanistan, which the U.S. pledged not to forget about when the war was over, and for which the current Bush administration foreign aid budget request included not one cent in aid.

d. All of the above.

6. The Bush administration has touted the many nations that are part of the "coalition of the willing." Which of the following statements about this coalition is true?

a. In most of the coalition countries polls show that a majority, often an overwhelming majority, of the people oppose the war.

b. More than ten of the members of the coalition of the willing are actually a coalition of the unwilling - unwilling to reveal their names.

c. Coalition members - most of whose contributions to the war are negligible or even zero - constitute less than a quarter of the countries in the UN and contain less than 20% of the world's population.

d. All of the above.

7. The war on Iraq is said to be part of the "war on terrorism." Which of the following is true?

a. A senior American counterintelligence official said: "An American invasion of Iraq is already being used as a recruitment tool by Al Qaeda and other groups….And it is a very effective tool."

b. An American official, based in Europe, said Iraq had become "a battle cry, in a way," for Al Qaeda recruiters.

c. France's leading counter-terrorism judge said: "Bin Laden's strategy has always been to demonstrate to the Islamic community that the West, and especially the U.S., is starting a global war against Muslims. An attack on Iraq might confirm this vision for many Muslims. I am very worried about the next wave of recruits."

d. All of the above.

8. The Bush administration says it is waging war to stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction. Which of the following is true?

a. The United States has refused to ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, viewed worldwide as the litmus test for seriousness about nuclear disarmament.

b. The United States has insisted on a reservation to the Chemical Weapons Convention allowing the U.S. President the right to refuse an inspection of U.S. facilities on national security grounds, and blocked efforts to improve compliance with the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention.

c. Vice Admiral Lowell E. Jacoby, Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, testified on Feb. 11, 2003, "The long-term trends with respect to WMD and missile proliferation are bleak. States seek these capabilities for regional purposes, or to provide a hedge to deter or offset U.S. military superiority."

d. All of the above.

9. The Bush administration says it wants to bring democracy to Iraq and the Middle East. Which of the following is true?

a. If there were democracy in Saudi Arabia today, backing for the U.S. war effort would be the first thing to go, given the country's "increasingly anti-American population deeply opposed to the war."

b. The United States subverted some of the few democratic governments in the Middle East (Syria in 1949, Iran in 1953), and has backed undemocratic regimes in the region ever since.

c. The United States supported the crushing of anti-Saddam Hussein revolts in Iraq in 1991.

d. All of the above.

10. Colin Powell cited as evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link an audiotape from bin Laden in which he called Saddam Hussein and his Baath Party regime "infidels." Which of the following is more compelling evidence?

a. An FBI official told the New York Times: "We've been looking at this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don't think it's there."

b. According to a classified British intelligence report seen by BBC News, "There are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network."

c. According to Rohan Gunaratna, author of Inside Al Qaeda: Global Network of Terror, "Since U.S. intervention in Afghanistan in October 2001, I have examined several tens of thousands of documents recovered from Al Qaeda and Taliban sources. In addition to listening to 240 tapes taken from Al Qaeda's central registry, I debriefed several Al Qaeda and Taliban detainees. I could find no evidence of links between Iraq and Al Qaeda."

d. All of the above.

Answers and Sources

1. d (a) Cong. Lane Evans, "Veterans Programs Slashed by House Republicans," Press Release, 3/13/03, http://www.veterans.house.gov/democratic/press/108th/3-13-03budget.htm. (b) Brian Faler, "Educators Angry Over Proposed Cut in Aid; Many Children in Military Families Would Feel Impact," Washington Post, 3/19/03, p. A29. (c) See Veterans' for Common Sense, letter to George W. Bush, 3/20/03 http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/print.asp?id=563; Melissa B. Robinson, "Hospitals Face Budget Crunch," Associated Press, 7/31/02; Jason Tait, "Veterans angered by marketing ban," Eagle-Tribune (Lawrence, MA), 8/2/02, http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20020802/FP_003.htm

2. d (a) Warren Vieth and Elizabeth Douglass, " Ousting Hussein could open the door for U.S. and British firms. French, Russian and Chinese rivals would lose their edge," Los Angeles Times, 3/12/03, p. I:1; Robert Bryce and Julian Borger, "Halliburton: Cheney is still paid by Pentagon contractor, Bush deputy gets Dollars 1m from firm with Iraq oil deal," Guardian (London), 3/12/03, p. 5 (which notes that Halliburton "would not say how much the payments are; the obligatory disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only that they are in the range of" $100,000 and $1 million. (b) Seymour M. Hersh, "Lunch with the Chairman," New Yorker, 3/16/03; Stephen Labaton, "Pentagon Adviser Is Also Advising Global Crossing," NYT, 3/21/03, p. C1. Perle is to be paid $725,000 for his lobbying effort, including $600,000 if his lobbying is successful. (c) New Hampshire Gazette, "The Chickenhawks," http://nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html.

3. d (a) See the evidence collected in Cong. Henry Waxman's letter to George W. Bush, 3/17/03, http://www.house.gov/waxman/text/admin_iraq_march_17_let.htm. (b) See Glen Rangwala's report, http://traprockpeace.org/britishdossier.html. (c) See Glen Rangwala's report, http://traprockpeace.org/kamel.html.

4. d (a) Martin Bright, Ed Vulliamy, and Peter Beaumont, The Observer (London), 3/2/03. (b) Quoted in Phyllis Bennis, Calling the Shots: How Washington Dominates Today's UN, New York: Olive Branch, 1996, p. 33. (c) Sarah Anderson, Phyllis Bennis, and John Cavanagh, Coalition of the Willing or Coalition of the Coerced?: How The Bush Administration Influences Allies in Its War on Iraq, Washington, DC: Institute for Policy Studies, 2/26/03, p. 4.

5. d (a) For background, see Anthony Arnove, ed., Iraq Under Siege: The Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War, Cambridge: South End Press, updated ed. 2003. (b) Paul Waugh, "Labour MPs Attack Hoon After He Reveals That British Forces Will Use Cluster Bombs," Independent, 3/21/03, p. 4; Human Rights Watch, Press Release, 3/18/03: "Persian Gulf: U.S. Cluster Bomb Duds A Threat; Warning Against Use of Cluster Bombs in Iraq." (c) Zvi Bar'el, "Flaws in the Afghan Model," Ha'aretz, 3/14/03, http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=272884.

6. d (a) See, for example, the revealing comment of Secretary of State Powell: "We need to knock down this idea that nobody is on our side. So many nations recognize this danger [of Iraq's weapons]. And they do it in the face of public opposition." Quoted in Steven R. Weisman With Felicity Barringer, "Urgent Diplomacy Fails To Gain U.S. 9 Votes In The U.N." NYT, 3/10/03, p. A1) (b) U.S. Dept. of State, Daily Press Briefing, Richard Boucher, Washington, DC, 3/18/03. (c) Country list: White House, Statement of Support from Coalition, 3/25/03, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/print/20030325-8.html; population calculated from Statistical Abstract of the United States, 2001, Washington, DC: 2001, table 1327. Total includes USA. The White House list includes countries whose leaders have done no more than state their support for the United States, and the listing changes from day to day, with some countries being added and some removed.

7. d (a) Don Van Natta Jr. and Desmond Butler, "Anger On Iraq Seen As New Qaeda Recruiting Tool," NYT, 3/16/03, p. I:1. (b) Van Natta and Butler, NYT, 3/16/03. (c) Van Natta and Butler, NYT, 3/16/03.

8. d (a) Colum Lynch, "U.S. Boycotts Nuclear Test Ban Meeting; Some Delegates at U.N. Session Upset at Latest Snub of Pact Bush Won't Back," Washington Post, 11/12/02, p. A6. (b) Amy E. Smithson, "U.S. Implementation of the CWC," in Jonathan B. Tucker, The Chemical Weapons Convention: Implementation Challenges and Solutions, Monterey Institute, April 2001, pp. 23-29, http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/reports/tuckcwc.htm; Jonathan Tucker, "The Fifth Review Conference of the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention," Feb. 2002, http://www.nti.org/e_research/e3_7b.html. (c) Testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, excerpted at http://traprockpeace.org/usefulquotesoniraq.html.

9. d (a) Craig S. Smith, "Saudi Arabia Seems Calm But, Many Say, Is Seething," NYT, 3/24/03, p. B13. In fact, "Though the Saudi government officially denies it, the bombing campaign is being directed from Saudi Arabia - something that few Saudis realize." (b) On Syria, see Douglas Little, ACold War and Covert Action: The United States and Syria, 1945 1958,@ Middle East Journal, vol. 44, no. 1, Winter 1990, pp. 55 57. On Iran, see Mark J. Gasiorowski, "The 1953 Coup D'Etat in Iran," International Journal of Middle East Studies, vol. 19, Aug. 1987, pp. 261-86. (c) Andrew Cockburn and Patrick Cockburn, Out of the Ashes: The Resurrection of Saddam Hussein, New York: HarperPerennial. 1999, chap. 1.

10. d (re audiotape, see David Johnston, "Top U.S. Officials Press Case Linking Iraq To Al Qaeda," NYT, 2/12/03, p. A1; Mohamad Bazzi, "U.S. says bin Laden tape urging Iraqis to attack appears real," Newsday, 2/12/03, p. A5. (a) James Risen and David Johnston, "Split at C.I.A. and F.B.I. On Iraqi Ties to Al Qaeda," NYT, 2/2/03, p. I:13. (b) "Leaked Report Rejects Iraqi al-Qaeda Link," BBC News, 2/5/03. (c) Rohan Gunaratna, "Iraq and Al Qaeda: No Evidence of Alliance," International Herald Tribune, 2/19/03.

Interpreting Your Score

9-10 Correct: Excellent. Contact United for Peace and Justice, http://www.unitedforpeace.org/, and work to fight the war and the system that produced it.

6-8 Correct: Fair. You've been watching a few too many former generals and government officials who provide the "expert" commentary for the mainstream media. Read the alternative media!

3-5 Correct: Poor. Don't feel bad. George W. Bush only got a C- in International Relations at College.

0-2 Correct: Failing. You have a bright future as an "embedded" journalist.


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Posted by:

ZORRO aka Senior Biffalo

Subject: short cousre on american constitution

down trodden people everywhere, especially usa, first take a good look at the relationship between taxes and representation, Z si


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Sea Dog

P.S. Bill: Thanks for reminding me of Sea Dog. I don't think I have heard that band's name mentioned since I was in 7th grade, when they were considered pretty hot stuff on the evidence of one single. I also remember that their popularity deteriorated rapidly after they had played a few high school gigs around here. Thanks for the flashback!


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: SH: Honorary citizen of Detroit, Michigan

Hey Bill: There ALREADY ARE at least two histories on this. Check out this news story...

Years before Saddam Hussein became an enemy to the United States, he was reportedly seen as a friend and made an honorary Detroit citizen.

In 1980 when Saddam Hussein was on good terms with America, he was quite the giver. Hussein donated money to help several churches in the motor city, Detroit.

There are pictures of a meeting between a Detroit priest and Saddam Hussein when he accepted the donation.

Father Jacob Yasso of the Sacred Heart Chaldean Church says, "He said, 'We hear you have a debt on your church'. I said, 'Yes Mr. President'. He said, 'How much?'. I said '$170,000'. He said, 'I'll pay it off for you'."

Father Yasso returned the favor at that same meeting 23 years ago. He gave Hussein a key to the city of Detroit making him an honorary citizen.


Entered at Thu Mar 27 18:00:16 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Actually, Biffalo may have a point, however the recent failure of the U.N. to act to back up its own resolutions and forcing the U.S. to take the lead role, proves there is really no such thing as a "world body." Someday there may be a coalition that attempts to do just what he is suggesting, possibly under the "U.N." banner. This is one of the reasons the U.S. must act differently today than in the past, including acting pre-emptively to keep potential threats to our national security from becoming strong enough to endanger our national security. If that means more profit for companies like Haliburton, more power to them!


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Posted by:

JTullFan

Subject: Sorry, Bill !


Entered at Thu Mar 27 17:27:17 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Biffalo Bull-sh*tter - OK, bring 'em on!


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Posted by:

Bill

JTullFan: I wish you'd addressed your latest remarks to Biffalo Bull rather than to Bill. I'm mostly with Fred on this, though I'd note that there will be at least two histories, both of which will have numerous adherents. One will record SH as an appalling thug (which he surely is), and one will laud his wider political aims while skipping lightly over his thuggery.


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Posted by:

Wendy Yocum

Location: Marysville,Pa 1450 Valley Road
Web: My link

Subject: fan of Robbie Robertson ,and very fond of Native Americans

Love Both the Band and their music,AND THE EXCELLENT WEBSITE I have only discovered the Band and Particulary Robbie Robertson the past year or so, but I am really VERY IMPRESSED!Especially with the work of Robbie Robertson and the Native American Albums. May I ask for any info on books,cds,etc that both he and the band might have done or any new albums on the horizon?Please write me at above address and send me any catalogs that exsist!Peace Thank you so much!


Entered at Thu Mar 27 17:07:09 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

History will record that Saddam was a thug (and for the record I'm not in favour of this war, but my love of peace does not blind me to the fact that Saddam is nothing more than a thug; don't even get me started on the rest of the top-billed stars of this farce.....)


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Posted by:

JTullFan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Bill,

Please elaborate on 'criminal violation of' our constitution.


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: good for the goose, good for the gander

if the world body took a long look at the activities at the ruleing elite of the USSA, and the criminal violation of their constitution, substituting it with McDemocracy they would be hardpressed not to employ the same precident of attack on America to finally liberate its citizens.

in a democratic society, are the representives in government, supposed to mirror the concerns of their citizenry? then why are people not given the same perks and privledges, as those who speak on their behalf?

funny isn't it, that when one examines a nation's beginnings, lots of blood has to be figured into the equation. the evil Sadaam, is only a visionary, as history will record. ask, what did he want for Iraq, a model, social democracy for disparate peoples, or a service station for the US? the ntdodd indeed!


Entered at Thu Mar 27 15:30:44 CET 2003 from jed13.revealed.net (208.23.178.108)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Just a few...

Brien, I know exactly what you mean! That cartoon is hilarious! Thank you for reminding me of that one :)

Also, hoping for a safe return for any friends and family members of "ours" overseas, especially for Mary!

PutEmUp, that's true. It was a joint effort. And what results they came up with for the "B" bender. \Peter V., thank you for the heads up on those cd's. I'll check them out.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Cigars and Pat B.

Fred: I still have 3 Habana's left; 1 for me, my dad, and uncle to smoke on Easter Sunday. Beyond that I'm not a smoker, but if I'm ever in Amsterdam....Pat: You overread my comments. Many opposing politicians refer to each other in courteous terms but many also deeply respect each other even if they are at odds politically, and apparently that is the case between B. Dole/H.Clinton and that is cool. I'm also neither condoning or condemning the Haliburton role without further info, although from a business perspective there are not a lot of corporations up to this specific task, so the administration is in a no-win situation appearance-wise. Thoughts to Mary's son and those in similar circumstances. Without being thoughtlessly frank about what American POW's are facing, the Iraqi military/quasi-military is guilty of egregious war crimes. It remindes me of that Alfred Hitchcock classic 'Lifeboat', where the victims of a U-Boat attack are in a life boat, and rescue a german sailor from the water. He spends the entire time sabatoging rescue attempts, food, water, etc., and they finally have to kill him, with the movie ending with the line 'what do you do with people like that?'


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Posted by:

Lil

Subject: perspective

Perhaps this will put some things into perspective for you Mr. Pike.
Kerry Sanders (MSNBC) just reported that 31 marines in the 2-8 were injured last night, 2 critically. This is Mary's son's unit. Those of us who care about her and her family are now awaiting word. This is reality Ben. Brutal reality.

Please think good thoughts. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

May you all be safe from Terrorists and Warmongers.....Wherever you are......


Entered at Thu Mar 27 12:32:19 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

I just installed "the Next of Kin" for my wallpaper, I love that shot, reminds me of a family reunion pic taken years ago by an uncle of mine. My Mother used to make all my younger sisters cloths as it appears may have been the case for a couple of the little ones in the Kin pic, you can almost read the look on the old dudes face standing behind the kids...hurry up and take the damm picture, when we gonna eat!! kind of a bygone era to say the least...


Entered at Thu Mar 27 12:06:59 CET 2003 from du-tele3-133.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.133)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Byrds related

Highlights from this morning’s mail order ads. Spin are offering three new albums related to Byrds discussions:

Clarence White: Tuff & Stringy. Sessions 1966-68
Douglas Dillard: The Banjo Album – 1968 recordings with Gene Clark prior to the Dillard & Clark album.
The Hillmen – early Chris Hillman recordings.
And in the other catalogue, a live April release of Geoff Muldaur in concert in Bremen.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Brain Z, you are a total loser, but unlike everyone else who probably went back and reread the post, and, probably embarrassed, relized they had been suckered, at least you have the decency to insult me. Your formatable knowledge of cartoons is certainly no surprise; too bad you never got much further down the road.

I tend to agree with Tullfan, Dick Chaney has gotten so much money in his life for doing so little; I'm sure most of the influence peddling is long since done, the payoffs and connections have all been made. He's just another chicken hawk, sending young people to die for a system he must deeply believe in; how could he not? The fact that only one or two companys are around to carry on the dumbshow of competition in Defence featherbedding is just the sort of thing that has made him REALLY RICH. Looks like they may have to throw Perle to the dogs though.

Remember good conservative logic: Those young people are fighting for your right to speak out; so pay them tribute: shut up!

Been playing Carole King's "Pearls", sort of another of the "Moondog Matinee" type albums. Byrd fans might note how diferent the real lyrics to "Wasn't Born To Follow" are.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Canadian Fred: "Brainwashed"? Yeah I really like that one song from this recording by George Harrison "Stuck Inside A Cloud".........Oh.....we were told that the Italian and Spanish tourists seemed to visit the working women the most.....No wonder so many Italiano restaurants in Habana Fred!.....Btw2....Even Fidel gave up smoking.....However, I did on previous trips buy Monte Cristo, Romeo and Juliet and Cohibas....Fidel's former fave....and yes.....I ended up selling them for a profit.....Wait!!!!.....Only 'cause no one I knew wanted even to smoke one! They all heard about mouth cancer I guess.....So I was forced Fred......to sell them for a profit to a friend's husband whose job just happened to be......selling cigars to bars......He made an even bigger profit of course......Anyway, don't tell that Americano Rollie from the GB......I had every intention of sending him some cigars but it's illegal afterall......He's already been called a traitor in this very Guest Book!....;-D

Al: Btw3.....Just in case.....my humour doesn't rule this time.....I was just having fun with your March 24 post about choking on Enooooo......Your words....."pot..kettle..black"..just reminded me of Wilco's song "Pot Kettle Black".....Don't forget....."The Revolution will not be televised"......Gil Scott-Heron.....


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Contracts/Decoys/Turkeys NBC POLITICS

Contracts: Just as the ineffectiveness of peace rallies to stop the war was a forgone conclusion (and therefore are not now worth supporting - I think that all the soldiers fighting in Iraq deserve at least our quiet support, since this war WILL be fought to a bloody conclusion regardless of public opinion), so was the fact that reconstruction contracts would be awarded to major republican contributors. I think the main point to consider is not whether Cheney's buddies at Halliburton (and/or Kellogg, Brown & Root - a Halliburton subsidiary) are qualified to rebuild Iraq, but the fact that they were bidding on a reconstruction contract WEEKS BEFORE the first bomb was dropped. This fact COULD lead one to believe that it was one of the contributing factors in Bush’s decision to start a war. No?

Another bidder for the job to reconstruct Iraq (along with Halliburton) is Bechtel (a huge engineering firm that employed top Reagan officials before they took office). Bechtel have given 1.3 million to the republican party in the past two election cycles. BTW, a German report claims Bechtel sold weapons to Iraq during the 1980s.

Smokescreen: I’m beginning to think more and more that Bush’s war in Iraq is just a decoy anyway. Surly one of Bush’s goals was to undermine the effectiveness of the United Nations, probably with a view to it's total elimination, but if I were in the U.S. right now, I would be paying strict attention to domestic security measures that get passed by congress in the name of patriotism while everybody’s eyes are turned towards Iraq.

Ich: There are NO turkeys in China. Damn it!


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Mary (bear): My prayers go out for a safe return of your son... my sister's husband is flying a F15 out of Qatar, last I heard... he's one of those guys who has to test the limits of any machinery he's riding... a week or so before my sister's wedding... he took the bridal party out on a boat... on the Intercoastal Waterway... and proceeded to throw the maid of honor overboard on a sharp turn... breaking an arm, I think... anyway, I hope he's one of the guys covering the air above your son... and I hope he makes it back OK too...

Now I have to get back to the "Ratso" Dylan book I'm currently reading... good stuff...

Ga-nite all... I'm signing off from the land of the Chaska Hawks.... tho I'm a bit dove-ish myself...


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Posted by:

barry robinson

Location: frederick, md

Subject: the night they drove old dixie down

Please stop picking the song apart. All I know is that I was 12 years old when I first heard it and I got chills and could see the people of the song in my mind and somehow i wanted to feel as real as they did.


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Posted by:

Fred

Browned Eyed Girl: with all that talk of "collective of this" & "institute of that" about Cuba in your last post, all I can say is..oh my gosh you've been BRAINWASHED (the horror, the horror)!! You haven't ditched your wardrobe for green fatigues and you haven't started smoking cigars have you?!?!??!......just kidding!! It seems you enjoyed your "cultural tour" (which we all know was actually a cover..you went there to buy cigars inorder to resell them at exorbitant prices to JTull....)


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Jtullfan, I'm sorry if I'm perplexed by your reaction. I see this long interview with Bob Dole and he goes on for quite a while about Hilary, so long that the interviewer (I believe it was Larry King) stops him kind of incredulously and asks if he really means what he's saying. So he goes on a bit longer. Compares his own wife to her. Yet without seeing it you are capable of writing the whole thing off to "courtesy," rather disdainfully I might add. Yet when a grotesque multinational like Halliburton gets a sweetheart deal from a government run by its former CEO, you want facts, man, facts. You know I love you, but knee-jerk is knee-jerk.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Ben the cartoon

That angry little man..., Reading a post by Ben always makes me think of that Bugs Bunny catoon of the spoiled baby - "I wanna Easta Egg! I wanna Easta Egg!".., know what I mean? - - - What a maroon.


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Posted by:

PUtEmUp

Just went one post further and see that Mike D did post about the bender, but Mike, it was a joint effort by Clarence and Gene. Anyway, nice to see all the posts about Gene Clark, Gene Parsons, Jim Gordon, Clarence White, and Chris Hillman.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Whomever was the poster, possibly David Powell, who made the informative post regarding Clarence White, at first galance it appears you left out one obscure but important piece of info. Clarence White, along with his true soul brother Gene Parsons, invented a apparatus for the telecaster that they patented and marketed to Fender. I forgot the name of the device, but it allows the player to achieve pedal steel sounds off the Telecaster.

Clarence and Gene were quite a team, and the Untitled Byrds were quite a band.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Malvina Reynolds & Mr. Edge

Everytime I think I almost know it all I get priceless information. This time from Al Edge. I have never heard of Malvina Reynolds before. I thank you for a little more musical knowledge.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Searchers

I can't tell you how happy I am to see "The Searchers" mentioned in the guestbook. Next to the Beatles they were my most favorite group of the "British Invasion." I had the pleasure of working with most of them in the early 70's on a British Invasion show in Toronto at Maple Leaf Gardens. Such wonderful memories.......


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Dole called H. Clinton a great senator and B. Clinton eulogized at Nixon's funeral (to whom Moynihan served, BTW). It's called courtesy. OK, so Haliburton is contracted to put out oil well fires. Besides Red Adaire, if he is still alive, what other person/company is capable of the task? I'm not. Was it put out to bid? Were bid procedures in place and followed? Again, I have no idea, but this information is needed for a proper assessment. Of course, the contractor should NOT come from France/Germany/Russia/China as far as I am concerned, nor any contract to rebuild Iraq post-war.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Bill: The one and only Jimmy Page has been linked to many.....like Bebe Buell.....who also had a Band member help her out once when Todd wasn't forthcoming.....As far as Jackie......I still remember watching Canadian Bandstand and my favourite couple dancing to "Put A Little Love In Your Heart".....I also think Van has been linked to her around the time he wrote "Santa Fe".....

Hei Kalervo: While in Habana, Cuba we met a former American who chose not to return to NYC and remain in Cuba....He works for the Institute of Radio and Television.....After our tour I asked him about Ry.....He told me that Ry Cooder was in Cuban studios but didn't play for any Cubans....If anyone has the song "Family Photographs" by Carlo Morello please let me know......Although it is a very heart wrenching bittersweet song.....I have to have it.....We also visited the Cuban Film Institute and met with the director of "Family Photographs".....

We noticed many more Americans were in Habana these days.....Although if they're caught....I've been told the fine is around 8,000.00.....The couple we met from North Carolina wouldn't even tell us if they came through Canada or Mexico......Btw....I joked with Ed V the other day about how maybe there were not only so many more Americans but tourists in general.....'cause of the 16th World Congress of Sexology....We checked out the last night at the Karl Marx Theatre...."Special Gala of Cuban Culture".....The lights went off at one point for awhile.....No problemo.....We just continued chatting about life in Canada versus life in Cuba with another person who chose not to return to NYC and whose life's work is working with Women's Groups in Cuba.....and before you knew it.....Voila....lights.....action......I was especially inspired by her and a 87 year old woman who was part of a Grandmother's Collective in a Park.....I will never forget her spirit.....We also hung out at Lorna Burdsall's apartment/studio....She was a former American dancer who fell in love with a Cuban Revolutionary and never returned to the USA......Her granddaughter and two other dancers improvised a dance piece for us with "spider webs".

I noticed Julian Schnabel had also visited the Higher Institute of Art....He left his name on one of the walls and a former student from this prestigious school will be showing her art work in NYC I think next month.....absolutely brilliant conceptual art.....Brito....

Anyway.....just a few highlights of many.....All of us were on this Cultural Tour to make our own assessments.....Yeah.....many contradicitions abound like in non-police or non-state capitalist countries.....but at least I had a chance to communicate with people who were involved with the arts.....It was my third time in Cuba but this was the first time I was on an organized Cultural Tour.......There was something for everyone......Even the heavenly homemade coconut ice-cream served in a coconut shell at Liilliam's.....So many private restaurants in homes are allowed to serve to the public..........I'm afraid however that ice-cream will now never be the same....

Al on the Edge: Tell me.....Have you been listening a lot lately to Wilco's "Pot Kettle Black" by any chance??....;-D

Mary: As you know....I've always been a pacifist......But did you get a chance to check out Robbie's "Carry Me" yet?......It could help like a prayer.....I know.....It's not sung by your fave Rick.....but.....anyway.....Thanks again for the message via our Canadian friend.....:-D


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Thanks Wingo! Any bits of contempt I draw from you are worn like the laurel leaves they are! While I stick by my guns that this supposed person does not exist, rest asure, I have argued with many a uniformed young and old soldier; for the most part you don't have to press them to hard and they will express their distain at being sentimentalized by EITHER side of the fence; as you exploit them to cover the lies of our dubiously legitimate Pres. Anyway, if our distracted Son is out there somewhere,(I've heard people are protesting, is that true?") I'd be happy to defend my views anytime, and suggest he pick up a newspaper once in awhile. I would also suggest that asking anyone to abstain from their rights as out of "respect" for him is supremely arrogant on his part.

There's something sad about an all Richard Band collection; it seems to long for the solo Richard that never was. Vin, I've been playing those Rhino Dead re-issues, some good songs, no doubt, but the live bonus tracks are so terrible it leaves little doubt The Doors could play them under the table.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Charlie, you're shocked that Cheney helps start a war that will line the pockets of his "former" company? Yes, shocking indeed. Of course, don't be surprised when Halliburton also gets part of the contract to rebuild Iraq, after we foot the bill to destroy it. The intersection of politics and business is a cesspool and by far the greatest threat to democracy.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a great American, a prescient and principled politician. BTW, Bob Dole called Hillary Clinton a "great" Senator and praised her intelligence and work ethic.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Moon Struck One / Sweets for My sweet

The Moon Struck One- this peculiar and perversely-titled Disky compilation from the Netherlands (compiled by a devoted Manuellian – he sings lead throughout) is on sale at the Fopp discount chain in the UK for a mere £3. It’s easier than doing your own ‘Best of Richard’ CDR for the car. It makes you wonder whether they’ll do similar compilations slanted towards Levon and Rick. If you think about it, the Levon one would be most of the singles.

The Searchers first album (with Tony Jackson still on board) was a great inspiration for aspiring bands at the time as they kind of rounded up the classics and presented them in a straightforward way – I’m sure the many bands covering Love Potion No 9 around then in the Uk learned it off The Searchers. From a cynical angle, their version was easier to learn, but that’s no bad thing.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Thanks to Al Edge for the Searchers info. A handful of their singles get play on oldies stations around here: "Love Potion #9", "Needles And Pins" and "Sugar And Spice". N&P was written by the brilliant Jackie DeShannon. For a while a bit later in the '60s she was linked with the one and only Jimmy Page, and, if I'm not mistaken, he is the Page that is co-credited with her on a song on Marianne Faithful's "Tears Go By" LP. (By the way, the GB regular who was thinking of checking out guitarists in Vancouver might keep an eye open for Faithful's "Broken English" guitarist and co-writer, Joe Mavety - a displaced Torontonian.)


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Mary (Bear)

Kind thoughts, regards and prayers for you and your family.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down and Wet in Old Virginny

Subject: Gene Clark, Human Shields & Halliburton

Alan Edge: thanks for posting that excellent piece about Gene Clark. I hope someone will write a book about him and his music someday.

JTull Fan: I heard today that Dick Cheney's daughter is headed to Baghdad as one of those "human shields." Maybe she was disgusted like Jon Stewart and a lot of us when she her that her father's old company--Halliburton--just won the bid to repair those Iraqi oil wells. Speaking of politicians: rest in peace Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a man I ran into once at the National Gallery of Art and a class act all the way. I'm proud to say I voted for him a couple of times when I lived in New York. They don't make politicians like him anymore--just as they don't make musicians like Rick or Richard or Gene Clark...


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Posted by:

butch

Location: New York

Subject: a rich full life

Former Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan has gone to his reward,,,,

even tho he is the one who stuck us with hillary as our Senator,,,,he was a Great Senator,,,,

he tried to serve the people of New York in his own unique way,,,

his voice was always heard,,,,

He will be missed,,,,,,,


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Bayou Sam and The Searchers

Forgive my whimsicality Sam. I tend to forget that some of the stuff I know about the sixties is a little before your time and that of some other Gb'ers.

As it happens, whilst I was being light hearted I was also making quite a relevant point about the influence of The Searchers on The Byrds as evidenced by the following write up I've got from the net that might interest fellow Byrds afficianados:-

...Meanwhile, The Searchers, now a quartet with Jackson once again lead singer, became one of the top acts on the Liverpool beat scene, playing textured renditions of American R&B, rock & roll, country, soul, and rockabilly.

The group was signed to Pye Records in mid-1963 and their first single, a cover of the Drifters' "Sweets for My Sweet," was released in August of 1963, hitting number one on the British charts.

While the Beatles quickly outdistanced all fellow Liverpool groups, the Searchers did, indeed, go to the top of the charts with two of their next three singles, "Needles and Pins" and "Don't Throw Your Love Away." Another record, "Sugar and Spice," written by their producer Tony Hatch under the pseudonym Fred Nightingale, stalled at the number two spot.

Over the next nine months, the band staked out a sound that was one of the most distinctive in a rock scene crawling with hundreds of bands.

Their music was built around the sound of a crisply played 12-string guitar, coupled with strong lead vocals and carefully, sometimes exquisitely arranged harmonies, so that they could credibly cover American R&B standards like "Love Potion No. 9" or Phil Spector-based girl group pop like "Be My Baby."

Indeed, their 1964 singles included a venture into folk-rock before the genre had effectively been "invented" in the press, in the form of a cover of Malvina Reynolds' "What Have They Done To the Rain."

Perhaps more interestingly, their 12-string guitar sound would become a key ingredient in the success of the Byrds, who even took the riff from "Needles And Pins" and transformed it into the main riff of "Feel A Whole Lot Better."


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Bones, I would argue that the gulf between The Hawks and The Band was much wider than any growth experienced by the Rolling Stones. I think we have enough of the Hawks on tape and record to know what they were about, but don't get me wrong, I'd gladly take more. But the Stones never had a musical life changing experience like The Hawks did, as in running into Bob Dylan, and it shows. Certainly the Band's playing reflected their Hawks experience, but Richard and Robbie's writing benefitted hugely from the Dylan encounter, and therein lay a good part of the magic.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: hooooWah!

Up till now, I'd say the GB has been relatively mild given the news of the day, that is up until Ben's post. Perhaps, because for the most part we see this GB as a bit of a santuary from the news of the day, regardless of the side you may be on. Thing is Ben, because most of us live in America, and the rest of us share freedom of thought at the very least, we can decide for ourselves what posts are credible and which ones are not, without the trite commentary of an angry little man. PS: I heard Saddam needs a few good 'human shields'.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

WSW: A group called Taxi moved to Toronto from Sudbury in '68 (one unreleased 45, it seems), where they changed their name to Tote Family (two 45s), then to Sea Dog. Members came and went along the way, of course. The organist/singer of the organ-drenched "It's A Hot Night" was Doug Varty of London, Ont. By the time their lame LP was released they'd had a pretty much total makeover, except for drummer Jim Norris. Otherwise journeyman SW Ontario musicians. Taxi / Tote Family guitarist Fred Cacciotti is noteworthy in that he played on the Homestead LP, a great project that featured Jon Finley from Rhinoceros singing pianist Bill King's songs, the best known of which, "Anthem" (aka "We The People Of The World") deserves a hearing in the current times of strife. King was (and still is) interesting in that, before leaving the US army to come to Canada in a hurry in '69, he was the original pianist in Janis Joplin's Kozmic Blues Band. (So he was signed to Grossman at the same time as our guys.) He now runs the Beaches Jazz Fest and took most of the photos that adorn the walls at the Rex.


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Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: Gentle Ben

BEN PIKE: I've been reading this guestbook since it's inception, and that last post of yours was the cruellest post I've ever seen.

I was just wondering if you felt good after posting it. And BTW I believed Mary's post...why wouldn't I? Her only mistake was sharing her fears with a bunch of (mostly) strangers from this guestbook. I don't know her, I hate war and the military more than you could possibly understand, but I sympathize with her and her soldier son.

I'm looking forward to a day when I don't have to think about war. You know, it's probably just a coincidence, but ever since Rick died things haven't been the same. We need some more people to help out the neighborhood.


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: sea dog

I remember seeing a group called Sea Dog inb the early to mid 70s. They were Canadian, Toronto??? They opened for some sappy band. The Stampeders, April Wine, somebody like that. I was just a teen ager at the time, but I remember being impressed with Sea Dog. Another time I saw a group called Thundermug, they were also an opening act. Does anybody remember those guys?


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Witt: Sorry. I doublechecked in "On A Cold Road", and Amos's didn't accompany the BPM at Carnegie. Instead, he backed Mike Settle, who was opening for Vaughn Meader. Settle would later take a couple of chums from the New Christy Minstrels and add Kenny Rogers and Levon-stand-in Mickey Jones to form the First Edition. I'm pretty sure that Settle was among the old folkies who did that PBS show with Roger McGuinn, which is seen every year (month?) at fundraising time.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Congratulations Ben

Congratulations Ben, on this auspicious occasion of your achieving a whole new level of mindless insensitivity.

Has he heard of a place called America? Is he a "total idiot"? While you sit comfortably behind your anonymity, spouting your nonsensical diatribes laced with ignorance and impugnity, that young man is putting his ass squarely on the line. I would thoroughly enjoy witnessing you ask him those very same questions live and in person upon his return home.

Gutless commentary Mr.Pike. As a result I'll pose a possibility to you. If the fates should ever have our paths cross I'll be thrilled to answer those questions for you on Mary's son's behalf.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

David P: I've been listening to that London Howlin' Wolf reissue the last few days... man, it's primal... the bonus alt take tracks are worth it too... I also picked up Lester Young with the Oscar Peterson Trio... which goes well with the late night work hours of recent for me...


Entered at Wed Mar 26 21:04:09 CET 2003 from mcha-ab006.taconic.net (205.231.148.101)

Posted by:

Lil

Ben Pike: _I_ believe every word of Mary's post. I know her and her family. That phone call from her son Jay meant alot to her and I know every word she shared with us is true. Her son is in a terrible place..and he volunteered to be there..as did every other young man and woman who's over there, risking their lives. They have every right to expect their country to support them, and to feel disrespected if they hear otherwise. Noone likes war. But it's happening.. and calling someone names who's so many thousands of miles away from home showing courage in the face of pure evil is in excusable. Grow up.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Mary's suckerpunch: does anyone actually believe two words of this post. "He asked me if people back there were protesting" "I explained to him that no, they were protesting the war; but it seemed like they were disrespecting us." Is this guy a total idiot? Has he ever heard of a place called "America" where people dissent about all kinds of things all the time?

Of course, this whole post is a WEE bit too good to be true. Why do I so seldom hear this kind of stuff from the horses mouth? I would expect most soldiers are rather preoccupied with what they are doing and trying to keep each other alive then for meditations on domestic politics. What you get from the Archie Bunker's these days is "Those protesters should REMEMBER that they are over there FIGHTING for there right to PROTEST!" Which of course, means my dissent is the real tribute to them and docile, uncritical homage to our leaders the real way to spit in their faces. If you want to let these people be used as human sheilds between the chicken hawks and their lousy right wing politics, that's YOUR problem.

Saw Lenard Cohen on the street this week... back home now.....


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Posted by:

Bones

It would have been great if the Band's big break had come sooner. We all know how great they were before they hooked up with Dylan. What would have happened if they had a record contract in 1964?

Fans of the Stones have the pleasure of hearing them turn into a great band from 1964-1968. When Beggars Banquet came out in 1968, it was the culmination of all those early years into something really special. Music From Big Pink was the same thing, but due to the fact that it was The Band's first record, it was seen as the beginning of the group.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Byrd Family Tree

In the Byrd Box Set there is a 2 page "family tree" that charts all the moving around and swapping of members within groups everyone is trying to chart here. It is pretty fascinating.


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Posted by:

Bill

Wittgenstein: I saw Amos in the Dirty Shames at the Riverboat too, but not until the late '70s when they reunited for a couple of shows. As I've mentioned here before, a couple of the original group were in the original Cat Mother and the All Night Newsboys, along with Larry Packer, who somebody mentioned here recently. Among links to our guys is that the legendary Mary Martin was big on two Toronto groups way back when - the Hawks and the Shames.


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Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: You Know

Subject: Wittgenstein/Byrds Trivia

That drummer would be Jim Gordon. Played for Eric Clapton,"Layla" et al, also Gordon Lightfoot. A sad case of untreated mental illness led to his life sentence for murdering his mother.


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Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River

Subject: Wittgenstein: Was that drummer Jim Gordon?

Was the drummer who replaced Mike Clark for that album Jim Gordon?


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Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Location: Hangin' around The Riverboat on Yorkville

Subject: If my memory serves me well

Bill: The first time I saw Amos Garrett was when he was in The Dirty Shames. I can't believe that he ever worked for Randy Sparks !

Here's a little trivia question that I accidently left out of my last shpiel on The Byrds: Who was the drummer that replaced Michael Clarke during the sessions for 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'? He's on the 'Going Back' track and hits that great drum roll just before the la las at the end. He also has a connection to a Last Waltzer (that makes it easy) and is serving life in prison (dead giveaway).


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: Clarence White

Just a little background on the late-great Clarence White. Although Mr. White was born in Maine, his family is of French-Canadian descent, tracing back to New Brunswick. The family name was originally LeBlanc before it was Anglicized. It's easy to imagine that the Whites could identify with The Band's "Acadian Driftwood". In the mid '50s, his family moved to Burbank, California.

Clarence White's father, Eric, was a part-time musician. At a young age, Clarence, along with his brothers, Roland & Eric, Jr. and his sister, Joanne, formed a group called the "Three Little Country Boys", with Clarence on guitar, Roland on mandolin, Eric on banjo and Joanne on bass. Later on, the group became known as "The Country Boys" and began gaining some notoriety in the blossoming bluegrass scene in California. They were taken under the wing of the legendary Joe Maphis and appeared several times on the Andy Griffith television show. Around this time, Clarence was inspired when he saw Doc Watson perform, and quickly began to master the lightning-fast flatpicking technique on the acoustic guitar.

Over the next several years, the group went through some changes in personnel, as Eric decided to quit music & raise a family and Roland served a stint in the Army. Banjoist Billy Ray Lathum and bassist Roger Bush became part of the group. When they recorded their first album in 1962, they changed their name to the "Kentucky Colonels" to avoid confusion with Mac Wiseman's backup group, also known as "The Country Boys". Clarence White also played guitar on the very influential 1963 album "New Dimensions In Banjo and Bluegrass" that featured the banjo skills of Eric Weissberg & Marshall Brickman. Those recordings, with the addition of the later recorded song, "Dueling Banjos", would show up again, a decade later, on the soundtrack of the film "Deliverance".

By the mid '60s, with the popularity of the Beatles and the British invasion in music, the folk & bluegrass boom began to wane. In 1965, Clarence purchased a '54 Fender Telecaster and began to pursue a new direction in music with the electric guitar. The then-blossoming country music scene around Bakersfield, California, offered him the great opportunity to meet many great guitarists, such as Jimmy Bryant, Duane Eddy & James Burton, who would influence his style as began to master his technique on the Tele. A gifted musician, he soon began getting calls to do session work.

Against this backdrop, he set out on the flight that would eventually lead to joining the Byrds. Ironically, he had met Chris Hillman years before when they were both teenagers playing in the bluegrass circuit in California. They met again years later when Mr. Hillman produced an album for the Gosdin Brothers on which Mr. White played.


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Bill

Bill, you are correct. Clarence White (a French-Canadian) was a member of The Kentucky Colonels, as was his brother Roland. Clarence later met Gene Parsons and Gib Guilbeau while doing a session for The Gosdin Brothers. Also, Clarence and Gene formed a band called Nashville West with Gib in 1967. Sneaky Pete Kleinow was a friend who would occasinally sit in with them at gigs. Of course, The Byrds later cut a song called "Nashville West" for the "Dr. Byrds And Mr. Hyde" album. Gne parsons invented the "B" bender that allowed Clarence to make his Telecaster sound like a steel guitar. Gene was quite a banjo and harp player, by the way.


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Posted by:

Mary (bear)

Location: Western PA

Subject: My son

Just wanted to thank everyone for their nice thoughts and prayers....I will pray for your family friend as well Bob. I apologize for being forgetful here, gee I can't believe how scatterbrained I've become this week. Anyway, the poster who said I should have told my son about all the people behind them, well I only had 5 minutes on the phone with him. I wanted to make sure that I said the most important thing, I love you....which I did. He kept firing off questions to me....about his sisters, brothers, grandparents...I only had time to answer quick yes and no answers...and then he had to go.....so many were waiting to use the phone. Take care everyone and have a good day....Lil...thanks once again for your support. You are going to have to start charging me....lol


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

BiffaloB: "It's A Hot Night" is still a fantastic record. One of the first major disappointments in my days as a young chart watcher was that the song, though played by CHUM (who owned the label), didn't actually make the CHUM chart. Bad taste rules too often, I'm afraid. I never saw them as Sea Dog, though I did see them before that - summer of '70 at the CHUM bandstand at the Ex - when they were called the Tote Family. Among all the originals, they did Norman Greenbaum's "Canned Ham". Drummer/leader Jim Norris later started, and I believe still runs, the successful CM (Canadian Musician) Magazine.

CharlieY: I think Clarence White's bluegrass group was the Kentucky Colonels. I had an LP once - maybe on Epic.

Witt: I'm pretty sure that it was the Back Porch Majority that Amos Garrett got his start as a 'big-time' accompanist. Whoever it was, he tells a very funny story about playing Carnegie Hall in the book of road stories, "Cold On The Road" by Dave Bidini, which is well worth a browse. McGuinn's mug appears on at least two Chad Mitchell Trio records: he's walking beside the singers, carrying a guitar, on the cover of "On Campus"; and there's another one where you can pick him out in the cover photo playing onstage. Kevin Kelly had been in the Rising Sons too - with Ry and Taj.

DavidP: Among the links among the Band, the Burritos and Buffalo Springfied in the country-rock family tree is that Sneaky Pete Kleinow was the guitarist in Sir Walter Raleigh and the Coupons, a Seattle group that featured ex-pat Canadian Dewey "Sir Walter" Martin as the singing drummer. Dewey would later move farther south to join the Dillards and then, more famously, the Springfield.


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Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: Beatles Anthology DVD

Nice (and pretty long) trailer available at above URL.


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Posted by:

Lil

Bob Wigo: Thanks for telling us about your family friend, Don Reynolds. He's in my thoughts at this time, as are all the brave, young men and women. Times like these...


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: the jingle jangle morning

Al - you weren't being a smart arse, or ass as we say in NY. Actually, I'm not sure what you were telling me - except the part where you called me an old fruit - which could also have an entirely different meaning here :-)

Anyhoo - I got the story of the Byrds and Hard Days Night from a Roger Mcguinn (spelling?) interview.

As far as George Harrison and the 12-string - I know that the Rickenbacker company gave George one of the first 12-strings they made while the Beatles were in NY in early '64. I have an excellent book called "Beatles gear" that goes into great detail on the equipment they used. I just did a skimming of the book and it says that GH first tried a 12-string in early '63 when he saw a guy named Tom Springfield (of the Springfields) at the Albert Hall playing an acoustic model that was made for him in Liverpool. George asked to try it and fell in love with the sound........An interesting fact is that Rickenbacker first showed the guitar to John, but it didn't seem to thrill him much. He then said that they should take it to George and show him. George was obviously thrilled.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Mary (bear)

Mary, just a short note to say your son is in my thoughts and prayers. Despite all that has gone on here in the way of protests I believe these soldiers will return home to a rousing welcome. I'm no fan of war but I am one hundred percent supportive of the men and women who serve and fight when called upon. I believe the overwhelming majority of Americans feel the same way.

Think positive thoughts and know that we're all with you on this one. Godspeed to your son and all my support to you and your family.

Al Edge...great post. If you're not writing professionally you should have a go at it. You've got something that carries across the wire very well.

Pat Brennan, thanks for the help. Important meeting. Chicago better do her part because I'm sure as hell going to do mine.

Please keep our family friend Don Reynolds in your prayers as well. I know he's fighting his ass off right now because he believes in his country and because he believes in human rights. Thank you Don. We all love you and look forward to your safe return home. And yes, you're goddamn right we'll have us a party. Hell yes.


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Posted by:

Neumatic Impact

Location: The Whole Nine
Web: My link

Subject: Neumatic Impact link

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Posted by:

Al Edge - the casual Scouse namedropper...hmmph

Subject: Er...actually Sam...

...er not being a smart arse or anything mate but I think you might find that little snippet is a little bit off beam me old fruit.

Ask Paul or Ringo if you doubt me. :-o)

Back here in Bootle - best if roughest part of Liverpool - we hold great local pride in our own favourite sons The Searchers [John McNally lead guitarist from my old school St Murphy's] providing the inspiration for George's jangling geeeetar from way back in the early Merseybeat days.

Of course, anyone even vaguely familiar with Liverpool's pop culture will be aware that that particularly distinctive jangling sound has yet to leave this part of the world.

Indeed it started even before The Fab Four had grown wincklepickers. My old next door neigbour Teddy Taylor - that's Kingsize Taylor of Kingsize Taylor and the Dominoes fame from the Beatles Hamburg days - is rumoured to have taught it to The Searchers.

Needless to say, going back further I taught Teddy all he knew for which I personally have to thank my other next door neigbour Davy O'Neill, a mean finger [and nose] picker.

But hey - that's another story.

Liverpool - The Memphis of Europe. :-o)


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Mary & Bones

Mary: Your son is truly a HERO. My heart is with him.

Bones: I didn't think you were slighting Levon. I am mighty proud of the southern facet of The Band's music. It was probably my initial attraction to them. We all come at it in different ways. I really feel such a sense of pride about sharing a birthplace (Delta) with Levon. I grew up on Highway 61 and didn't truly understand the Great River Road's relevance until I discovered Levon. I guess I feel some sort of kinship, kind of like the Canadians feel for the rest of the boys. Thank you for posting back to me. I appreciate your opinions.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

The Byrd's of course were inspired to play in the first place by the movie "Hard Day's Night", and George Harrison's 12-string Rickenbacker.

This point really means nothing - it's just that the Beatle fan in me couldn't resist throwing it in......I also remember reading somewhere that in the mid-60's The Beatles were big Byrd's fans. I've got a boot video somewhere where The Beatles are giving a press conference, in 1966 when they were sick of doing such things, and David Crosby is in the wings goofing around with them and making them laugh.


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Posted by:

Allen Avraham Rosenblum

Web: My link

Subject: Inspiration

A friend of mine was a stage manager for a show The Band did at the Spectrum in Philly in '69 or '70 and let me use her security badge to go backstage where I sort of barged in on Robbie and the guys giving him my most righteous handshake and thank you, saying with great fervor "Your music brings me much joy." His response: "Thank YOU man!"

THAT meant a lot to me, a 19 year old guitar player who idolized Robbie and his quirky but oh so dramatic playing style.

A few years later in Jerusalem, I started a band called The Diaspora Yeshiva Band- "Diaspora Yeshiva" conveniently tucked in between "The" and "Band." We had a kind of "Rag Momma Rag" mixed with "Havanagilah" sound.

I've written and produced some songs over the years that I think Band fans might appreciate, both for the heavy Band influences and their spirituality. "Oh Hallelukah," and "Rhythm Messiahs." If anyone would like to hear them, please drop me line at rockrabbi@aol.com.

It's been nice visiting here with you all, and thanks for reading my story.

Shalom.

AR


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Posted by:

MysteryWoman

Location: Chicago

Subject: Response to Bones

Bones, Thank you for the most thoughtful description I have ever seen regarding the importance of Levon and Robbie to the Bands success. It is so very tempting to align oneself but I don't believe it is necessary. There will always be the discussion centered around The Band or The Beatles whether you are a John or Paul or George fan (sorry Ringo fans) but to me the music is what is important. I get pissed because there isn't more Band music but I would rather spend my time listening to what there is available, then focusing my attention on deciding whose to blame and for what. The Band represents Life and the human condition. Beauty, pain, loss, love, perversion, poverty, race, wealth. I also believe that 5 boys/men often gave everything they had to give of themselves and poured it into their music. For that I am grateful.

Bones - Thanks again for the best I have seen in print.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Gene Clark - genius?

Thought some might well be interested in this snapshot of Gene Clark from a Guardian article I found when I first started backtracking to discover this mans's career - career being a very pertinent word in relation to Gene. Must say the guy was clearly a huge and special talent - genius? - very likely I'd say - but with an uncurbed bent for self-destruction seemingly not unlike others we know and love only too well on here.

Band connection? - goes deeply without saying.

BYRD OF PARADISE

Gene Clark followed the rock-star rulebook. He was in a great band, made one of the best albums ever and died after years of alcohol abuse.

So why isn't he a legend?

By David Bennun

Every so often, some magazine or newspaper ropes in a clutch of alleged experts to catalogue The Greatest Albums Of All Time.

While a few newly fashionable records enter the inventory and a few briefly fashionable records drop out, the tally remains much the same. The perennials swap positions with one another but never seem to be in any danger of leaving the list. Will it be The Beatles' Sgt Pepper, Van Morrison's Astral Weeks or The Beach Boys' Pet Sounds at number one this time? How high up the ladder has an album by a black artist - usually Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland or Marvin Gaye's What's Going On - managed to climb? Is Bob Dylan's Highway 61 Revisited rated above or below Blonde On Blonde? Each chart is a diverting but meaningless consensus of received wisdom.

For an album to appear at all, it requires, at the very least, a cultish critical following. Failing that, it would help if people have heard of it - let alone heard it.

Amazingly, there is one record that has never made the list, despite being the undoubted equal of any of the above. You can't buy it at HMV or Virgin - because it's not currently on release. Yet the album, called No Other, is one of the boldest, most brilliant and damn near perfect pieces of work in the history of pop music.

No Other was recorded in 1974 by a little-known songwriter called Gene Clark, who died of heart failure in 1991 after a lifetime of alcoholism, buffered for good measure with the occasional sally into substance abuse. The perfect credentials, then, for an undiscovered rock'n'roll hero.

But Gene Clark wasn't exactly undiscovered. He was once a seriously and substantially famous rock'n'roller, as the earliest creative powerhouse behind the band that ranks second only to The Beatles in terms of influence, reverence and acclaim - The Byrds.

But somewhere along the way, Gene Clark got seriously lost. His story is one of missed chances, poor timing, squandered talent, destructive appetites, demonic fears and plain rotten luck. Rarely can the word 'career' be so aptly applied to a musician's history. Clark went off the rails so often, he only seemed to be on them when crossing from one side to the other So it's a small miracle that he managed to leave behind the body of work that now appears on a new compilation album.

Flying High covers his output from the superb songs he wrote for The Byrds, via his shaky but sometimes matchless major label solo recordings, to the unique pleasantries he turned out towards the end of his life.

"There were two Genes," says Saul Davis, who acted as Clark's manager throughout the eighties. "When he was indulging, he could be rather gross and obnoxious. When he was being creative and was taking care of himself, he would be absolutely wonderful, very warm, sweet, bright, concerned and the rest of it."

"Gene was the complete and total romantic, probably from the moment he was born," adds singer Carla Olson, with whom he collaborated on his last two albums. "Alcohol would affect his personality dramatically and he would become a bit of an asshole. I don't think he was ever able to find a balance between insanity and boredom." It's perfectly clear that there was something seriously wrong with Gene, but to this day nobody knows quite what it was.

Johnny Rogan's authoritative and meticulous book, The Byrds: Timeless Flight Revisited, offers strong character studies of Clark's fellow original band members through their own words and the opinions of others. But Harold Eugene Clark remains a genuine mystery in a business stuffed with fakes and self-proclaimed enigmas.

As a songwriter, he rivals Bob Dylan, Lennon and McCartney and Jimmy Webb. As a performer, he is a match for such singular talents as Scott Walker or Nina Simone. Yet as a personality, he remains a puzzle.

The Byrds are rightly credited with bringing first folk and then country into the rock canon, but they were all city kids - with the exception of Gene Clark.

Born in the small Missouri town of Tipton and raised in Kansas, Clark was a genuine country boy. Lean, rangy and muscular, he looks a little out of place in the old Byrds photos. The mandatory shaggy-bowl cut, which so suited his band-mates, sits uneasily on his rugged features - like a Beatles wig on a farmhand.

He was, by all accounts, taciturn and stolid - though good-natured enough to encourage his partners to take co-composer credits on some of his songs (although this also helped ensure that those songs made it on to record and earned him royalties, for which he was resented by his poorer band-mates.)

At this point, Clark was a remarkable pop balladeer. His placid exterior concealed a deeply passionate nature, which, according to the other Byrds, delivered another cracker of a love song every time he split up with a girlfriend. Luckily for them, this happened fairly often.

The band built their fame on Bob Dylan covers, but their first two albums, long recognised as classics, are packed with astonishing numbers from Clark.

Their most famous track, Eight Miles High, was bequeathed to them by Clark when he suddenly left the group in 1966. Tormented by touring, terrified of flying, and already sluicing down the liquor with the abandon of one truly spooked by his own existence, he began the song as a record of the band's first, disastrous, visit to Britain. The paradox of the Byrd who couldn't fly writing the definitive song about a plane ride is as characteristic of Clark as anything. Which is to say it's hard to figure it out.

The following year, Clark stepped back into the spotlight with his solo debut, Gene Clark With The Gosdin Brothers. But the spotlight had shifted. His old band released their dazzling album, Younger Than Yesterday, around the same time as Clark's effort - with the advantage of the brand name and marketing budget.

Listening to Clark's album, you can understand why Bob Dylan was fascinated by his writing talent. At first the ex-Byrd had been caught up in sincere flattery of Dylan. But by now he had developed his own complex, almost baroque pop style. Tracks like Echoes and So You Say You've Lost Your Baby are forgotten gems of the sixties. Sadly, they were forgotten even in 1967. The album flopped and Clark, for neither the first nor the last time, went into a tailspin.

A touring reunion with The Byrds saw him plagued by stage fright, and attempting to blot out his dread of air travel with yet more booze and barbiturates. He quit after three weeks, returned to Los Angeles, and promptly got stuck in a lift. The Missouri boy had a horror of tiny spaces. He screamed like a deranged gibbon and clawed at the walls in a claustrophobic frenzy for nigh-on three hours. When he was finally released, he fled into the night, not to be seen again for months. It was the end of his career as a rock star.

One of Gene Clark's many successors in The Byrds was Gram Parsons, who famously dreamed of creating 'Cosmic American Music' and, even more famously, died before he got round to it.

Gene Clark actually did it, although it took him a while.

After the commercial failure of his solo LP, he teamed up with bluegrass legend Doug Dillard and released a pair of amiable records which sit easily at the rootsier end of the country-rock canon. In retrospect, the pairing is perhaps most memorable for the outrageously camp motorbiking cover of The Fantastic Expedition Of Dillard & Clark, which prefigures the seventies clone look with spooky precision. If only Clark had been homosexual, he might have lighted upon a fail-safe route to cult heroism.

Or he could have dropped dead while still in his mid-twenties, like Parsons, whose early and bizarre demise in 1973 - bloodstream full of chemicals, rectum full of ice cubes, a groupie's hand tugging on his penis in a vain effort to revive him - ensured his future status.

But Gene lived to be older, wiser and not a little drunker. And while Parsons spent the early seventies retreating into the comfort of country music, Clark began to build upon it. In 1971, he released the well-received album White Light. He then embarked on a series of costly recording sessions which were eventually abandoned and written off for no particular reason. The results later appeared on the Roadmaster LP, which still stands as one of the peaks of country-rock. In a genre rife with archaic posturing and whiny harmonies, it sounds fresh and invigorated, and contains many of Clark's loveliest songs, including the definitive reworking of his Byrds gem She Don't Care About Time.

Usually disappointment would have, quite literally, sent Clark reeling. But his moment was upon him. Signing up with Asylum, he began work on No Other.

It cost $100,000 to record, which in 1974 was a vast budget even for a top-selling act, let alone a singer-songwriter who hadn't had a hit record in an eight-year solo career. It brought together two of the great grass-roots musical forms of America, country and gospel, mixing them with soul, funk and rock to produce a breathtakingly fluid and complete sound.

Later masterpieces like Primal Scream's Screamadelica and The Verve's Urban Hymns have their prototype in No Other, and the songs on the album make up one of the most astonishing sets ever brought into a studio.

Curiously, considering what we know about Clark, No Other sounds like the work of a man at peace with himself. Perhaps the highest point of this consistently Himalayan album is Some Misunderstanding, a song of stunning beauty and scope, smoothing over rifts, celebrating life and repudiating quick fixes. Within months of recording it, Clark would be back on the bottle. The problem seemed to be that no one was listening to Gene Clark.

Not even Clark himself.

When No Other failed to sell in even respectable quantities, it was one blow too many. Clark had come back from years of disappointment and frustration to create one of the supreme records in pop history. For all his boasts on Roadmaster, of being 'a travelling musician', he still abhorred touring and did little to promote the album.

Even so, the failure of No Other was an unusually cruel twist. This was an era when almost any pumpkin-headed fool with a guitar and a willingness to explore the shallow puddle he called his soul could shift albums by the tanker-load. Clark was the real deal, and after No Other flopped, he never again approached the outer edges of that kind of brilliance. For some time afterwards, he seemed to devote most of his creative energy to growing a beard the size of a bramble thicket.

After a brief reunion with ex-Byrds Roger McGuinn and Chris Hillman, Clark spent the eighties making agreeable but unexceptional country-rock records and raising hell. Friends would see him lurching out of LA bars, roaring drunk and trading ill-aimed punches with fellow sots.

But he did make genuine efforts to clean up his act. He moved in with his long-term lover Terri Messina and brought his two sons to live with him.

Despite having most of his stomach removed in a life-saving operation, he managed to work his way back to rude health amazingly quickly.

As Carla Olson is quick to point out: "He was a regular guy in many ways. He had a real, heartfelt side to him that wanted to be a family man. But he couldn't deal with that responsibility and still be Gene Clark."

According to Saul Davis, commercial failure wasn't the root of Clark's problem. "Gene seemed to do better when he was having to struggle a bit. As long as he could survive financially and make records, he kind of liked it because it allowed him that sort of motorcycle outlaw, renegade Easy Rider kinda status. He was quite a man's man, I would say. He was tall and handsome and proud. But I think being as proud and as talented as he was in a world of mediocrity, obviously bothered him. And when success came, little or big, it seemed to be kind of destructive for him. He would indulge, and it wasn't good for him."

Success of an unexpected nature came in 1989, in the form of a big-selling Tom Petty solo album which featured a cover of Clark's classic Byrds number, Feel A Whole Lot Better. Out of nowhere, Clark sighted a huge wad of publishing money heading in his direction. "That perhaps led to his demise," suggests Davis, "because he started being irresponsible again."

For 'irresponsible', read marathon benders, heroin abuse and sucking down burning crack - alternated with dangerous amounts of sudden strenuous exercise.

On May 24, 1991, Gene Clark was found dead on the floor of his home.

The cause was given as a heart attack, and technically that's what it was. But the kind of behaviour that had chauffeured him to death's door, pursued him to the funeral viewing. There, actor David Carradine drunkenly shook the corpse by the lapels of its jacket and howled, "You fucked the girl and she was only..." before being dragged off by security guards.

Clark made some extraordinary recordings which should one day gain him the recognition he deserves. His masterpiece can be found in second-hand shops, and, gathering dust somewhere, are further tapes from the No Other sessions which have never been released.

While it omits many of his best songs, Flying High may go some way to restoring his reputation. A rock'n'roll death couldn't make him famous, but his music might yet do it.

Flying High is released on A&M records later this year.

Many other Gene Clark albums are available on Edsel. © Copyright Guardian Media Group plc.1998


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Posted by:

Bones

Little Feat has released their first all-acoustic live 2 cd set, and it features a cover of The Band's "Rag Mama Rag".

Amanda: I certainly did not mean to slight Levon when discussing Robbie's ambition. However, I don't know where the Band would have ended up had Levon stayed the "business" leader. I don't see Levon attaching himself with Grossman and Dylan. Levon certainly has always distrusted people in the music industry (and rightfully so in most cases). I would like to think that talent eventually rises to the top, and the Band would have been a success no matter what would have happened. Like you, I also believe that the success would not have happened without Levon. I was just trying to make the point that Robbie's ambition was actually a good thing for the group.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: mary (Bear)

Mary, you should have told your son that there are also as many if not more pro service rallies and that 70% of the US is supporting this action.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Mike Finnigan

Pat: There's a great "Classic Albums DVD-Video" on "Electric Ladyland", part of the same series as the one on the recording of "The Band". In one of the segments, Mike Finnigan explains & illustrates on the organ how he added that wonderful shuffle groove in "Rainy Day Dream Away / Still Raining Still Dreaming". What began as one long jam in the studio was later broken down into two songs on the album. In that same video, Dave Mason also recalls how he added his acoustic guitar part on "All Along The Watchtower". Also recounted is the fact that Jimi Hendrix was a stone-cold Dylan fan who always had a copy of a Dylan songbook close at hand.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Gene Clark

The All-Music Guide lists the cause of Gene Clark's death as "natural causes" brought on by bleeding ulcers. I wonder if he ever went into the studio with Rick and Richard during the period that they toured together for the Byrds' tribute concerts. I've heard several of those shows and--even though the quality varied--there were still some great moments.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Mary and Dave

Mary, sounds like your son is a hero. If I were a soldier, I don't think I could fully buy into support the soldier/hate the war position. I don't think I could function in that capacity if I did not come to terms with my army's/country's objectives. To me it's a very slippery argument. Now, if we had DRAFTEES in the army, that would be different. But everyone in today's military made a willing choice to be there, and I'd bet real money that most believe in what they are doing. DAVE: said it before, you live in one of the nicer regions of the country, weather excluded. Why don't you go to Mall of America, third floor, western side near Nordstroms, and get me some chedder cheese curds from that specialty cheese store? I just ran out from last trip.


Entered at Tue Mar 25 20:32:28 CET 2003 from citrix5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.9)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Mark 4-4-03

Mark

I booked a room at the Budget Hotel the number is 603-542-9567... I was told that it is walking distance to the Claremont Opera House... don't know how nice it is but as long as it is a place to crash for the night is good enough for me... it is only like $50 a night....beats driving after a few beers..


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

All this talk of folk music reminds me that the Spinal Tap/Waiting For Guffman gang is back in mid-April with "A Mighty Wind," a brilliant spoof on the folk genre.

Interesting to hear that Mike Finnigan was part of the Hendrix world if only for a moment.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ta ...

la...to all - for some mighty fine reading.

Pete - some good - and fresh [for me at least] - points there. Amanda - I'm really so glad you've come back tho must say I'm from the same tack as Fred re all for one, one for all as you well know girl. Witty - you excelled yourself there mate. Nice one.

BTW Witty I wonder if that concert you mention coincided with the lead up or fallout to Gene's stomach cancer and subsequent operation. Unsure of the exact dates but I think it was mid eighties. His voice quality seems - understandably - to have suffered badly as a result of it. Some tracks on Gypsy Angel are a whisker away from unlistenable due to that hoarseness. It's only his way with penning sublime lyrics that saves them from ignominy. Then again as I already mentioned Kathleen and Your Fire Burning are simply incredible on the same album. Calvin sent me a cd from around the same time and his voice is suffering on that too. Tragic but what a legacy he's left for all us interested ones still to discover.

Dave - thanks but got to say I was not so much sticking up for America - which certainly is big and beautiful enough to stick up for itself without some interfering Scouse bastard poking his nose in - as attempting in my own ham-fisted way to discredit what was a pile of middle-class based shoite from Eno. The guy wants to get out more before he tries to portray Europe as some panacea. I love the good things about my country - not as much as Liverpool of course - but a fondness is still there. However, I despise the way it's deteriorating in SO many areas and pricks like Eno should have enough respect for everyone - including those millions who HAVE fallen between the cracks - not just his nodding deluded 'I'm alright Jacques' cronies. That said Dave - two wrongs never ever made a right as we all of us kENOw only too well eh? :-o)


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: volume …

Yes, volume is the problem folkies experienced when playing with amplifiers, and the Band knew how to cope. As I post I'm listening to The Byrds 'Live at the Filmore- February 1969' which was recorded just after they finished 'Dr Byrds & Mr Hyde' - pretty damn good at playing quietly and includes a great This Wheel's On Fire. The weak point is drums, definitely (and not only in comparison to The Band) but it has a weak sound, common enough in those days, but also a bit diffident in execution, as if the drums are following the band rather than setting the beat for the band. I don't think Gene Parsons was a particularly good drummer either. I always get a bit confused - what with Gene Clark , Michael Clark, Gene Parsons and Gram Parsons (too few names to share).


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: ever bin to see billy

Bill I think your right on with the groups name "Sea Dog", as i was thinking that the groups name started with an S. Still not familiar with the song, but it probably was that one, and typicically with the times there were a lot of singles out by groups that did not fare well commercially. perhaps one day i can return a favor in kind, thank you.

Dr. BUSHll, Mr. Hide, is conducting a surgical strike on iraq to be sure, but has appied the anesthetic to the usa and other western countries. the surgery will go on, but regardless of the outcome, it will be considered botched. American Hellthcare is simply not wanted, truth be known, in the world, and in Uncle Scams backyard. the folks in iraq and elsewhere in the downtrodden middle east can and do voice their dissent, and take it a little further than we do, or would like to see in our God given land of liberty, hmmm?


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Posted by:

Lil

Mary: Thank you for telling everyone here about your brave son. As you know, Jay has constantly been in the thoughts of myself and my children, and you weren't alone in sweating out Sunday's horrible events. Stay stong (you're doing great) and know that Jay will remain in the thoughts of all your friends until he comes home safe and sound.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Pehr: Jimi Hendrix's masterpiece album, "Electric Ladyland", features cameos from an allstar cast that included Al Kooper, Steve Winwood, Jack Cassady, Dave Mason, Chris Wood, Mike Finnigan, Buddy Miles and a few others I can't think of.


Entered at Tue Mar 25 19:43:31 CET 2003 from (216.64.203.139)

Posted by:

Mark

Location: Maine

Subject: Claremont NH

Attempting my second post and hope to have better luck with getting it in proper paragraph form!

John Cass- I will be in Claremont on 04/04. Would be very happy to meet you and anyone else lucky enough to be able to make the trip. We are fortunate to get something this good so close to home (although David Crosby was quite close for us in the far North)! Have you had any luck finding a place to stay or are you close enough to home for it to not be an overnight? I started to do some research but found pretty slim pickings right in Claremont. Any options would be appreciated. Thanks.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: The Band / The Byrds: opposites in dynamics

Wittgenstein's excellent post really got to the heart of the differences between the two groups. The Band, with their years of playing with the Hawk and then Dylan, were used to playing loud and were veterans of facing the rigors of the road. Whereas The Byrds were learning, not only to play together, but to play at a louder volume. The Band proved more accomplished at mastering the subtleties of volume dynamics in their original repertoire. In those days, the technology of on-stage monitoring still hadn't reached the point where musicians could hear what each other were playing during a performance. This proved especially difficult when trying to sing over the volume produced by the high wattage of amplifiers. With their years of experience playing together, The Band showed how they could instinctly adapt to the subtle nuances of live performances. They mastered dynamics & restraint while other groups struggled to match technique against loud electric explosions of sound. This was part of the magic of The Band's sound -- they knew the dynamics of their songs from the inside out, and could expand the depths of their songs through variations in rhythm & volume. Through this dynamic balance they achieved the nuanced expression of vocals & instruments that characterized their great songs. In a age when other musicians were turning on & turning up, The Band went against the grain to turn the sound from metallic harshness into subtle layers of smoothly varnished wood.


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Posted by:

Mary (bear)

Location: Western PA

Subject: Our servicemen and women

I know this is not band related and I apologize....I just wanted to say something....My son Lcpl James Capretti is presently in Iraq. His unit is travelling with Kerry Sanders from MSNBC news. My son is 2nd Battalion 8th Marines Echo Co. They were involved in the conflict on Sunday and I did alot of praying and sweating it out that day. My son called me a week ago yesterday, and told me they would probably be in combat within 24 -48 hours. He asked me if it was true that people were protesting back here in the states...I said yes. He was very disturbed by this. He has been in Kuwait since the middle of February and he shipped out on January llth from Norfolk. He said he and the others feel as though we are disrespecting them. I explained no, they are against the war, not you. But this is how they feel. I think we need to be behind our troops at this time. No one wants a war, especially a mother of a Marine or any other military branch, but that is his job. He did say that over the last month they had occasion to speak to the people there. I didn't realize that many of them spoke English, but they told my son and others alot of Saddam and his cruelties to them during conflicts and his own people. Some actually welcomed the US intervening. So, I just wanted to pass that along, and please pray for our military personnel that they return home safe. Thank you.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Byrds …

Thanks Wittgenstein for clarifying a lot about The Byrds – I had misremembered that McGuinn was in the NCM, rather than the Limeliters. He tells a Bobby Darin story nicely somewhere- must be the solo album with lots of talking between numbers. As I’ve said several times, the Darin “Earthy” album is one of those select few great albums not on CD and has the ultimate version of Work Song on it – just voice, double bass and drums. Good to see James Darren mentioned here – I think for the first time AND my favourite Burritos one “The Blue Album” aka “#3” – the one with ‘Colorado’ anyway. I saw that particular line-up.


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Posted by:

Dave

Location: Minnesota

Subject: Eno

Al Edge - I appreciate your retort to Eno's European clatter. America is an eclectic bunch. Take Minnesota - we voted for the most liberal democrat in the Senate with Paul Wellstone and also had the most conservative with Rod Grams. That's America.

I for one do not want a socialist type of government, though many liberals would call that utopia. For me, give me the ability to voice my opinions, work hard for a living, decide who I want my charitable deductions to go to, and leave me alone. I live in a suburb of Minneapolis, but there's not a gate in sight.

For all the Europeans who are glad they don't live here in the greatest country in the world, "We're happy for ya".

Peace. And to all our soldiers, kick some ass and come home safe.

Dave


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: hendrix/keyboards

Al Kooper did some things with Jimi too, right?

Browsing through a bookstore the other day saw the book by Hendrix's father, I think it was called "My Son, Jimi" or something like that. I was amazed at Hendrix's childhood drawings, ju8st amazing to me. Alot of drawings of football players and formula one car crashes. worth taking a look at for hendrix fans.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Rick Danko/Band anti-war concerts

We'll never know if Danko would have played anti-war concerts today, but to my knowledge he/the Band did not during the first Gulf War, nor play Live Aid, etc. It's a good question: What if any anti-war/benefits/peace concerts have the Band/Band members participated in?


Entered at Tue Mar 25 18:39:34 CET 2003 from h-68-164-11-194.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.11.194)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Hank, the boys' Woodstock set--stuck between Ten Years After and Blood Sweat & Tears-- was 10:30 Sunday night (August 17). I believe Levon states in his book that they hung out a bit afterwards then, with their unique knowledge of the area's byways, drove their cars home. Hendrix began his set around 8:30 the next morning, right after ShaNaNa. I would guess that Jimi and the boys did not cross paths that night.

Jimi didn't work with a lot of keyboardists, Stevie Winwood being a notable exception. I could be wrong but didn't Nicky Hopkins do a Hendrix session too?


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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: Roger Miller & Bobby McGee

‘Texas BBQ Nite’ in Aruba with Jimmy & Jaycee, jtull_fan’s two Peruvian cowboys, sounds like my kind of evening out, although with only that keyboard they might have been better off sticking with ’96 Tears’ or ’Mendocino’ rather than ’Me & Bobby McGee.’ J&J weren’t all that far off the mark when it comes to the provenance of ‘Bobby McGee,’ though. Roger Miller actually covered the song before Janis Joplin did, and had a medium-size country hit with it at least a year before ‘Pearl’ was released, an event that must have been as important to Kristofferson’s reputation at the time as his Johnny Cash connection insofar as Miller was by then well-established as one of country’s greatest songwriters.


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Hank

Jimi and Garth!? I like the way you think!


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Gene Clark

Gene Clark passed away on May 24, 1991 from a heart attack if I remember correctly. If I am wrong, correct me please. Reports seem to conflict each other, thought his alcohol/drug use does appear to be a contributing factor. Too soon gone.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Got people here, down on their knees and prayin'....

Hawks and Doves are circling in the rain.....

"....and then 'Hawk' meant something else entirely".....(RR TLW 1978)

Would I be wrong in assuming that Rick Danko would be out there playing anti-war shows if he were still with us? Anyone heard RR comment on The New War?......Would RR be in The Charlie Daniels camp or the Martin Sheen camp? What'cha reckon?.....I'd say, either way, he's keeping the head down.......

Here's one for y'all....it might bring out the number crunchers in y'all.......

Prior to The Hawks backing Bob Dylan in 1965, how many people, in numbers, woulda seen 'em?....

Thousands, Tens of Thousands?........

They worked pretty steady on a circuit that spanned all of North America.......with and without Ronnie Hawkins....

The other thing I'd be interested to know is whether or not they ever came across Jimi Hendrix on their travels....anyone ever hear of that?......apart from, say, 1966 in NYC, maybe with John Hammond and all that.....

When you think about it, Jimi and The Hawks travelled similiar routes to international stardom.......playing the backwaters of North America, honing their skills and talents and then bursting onto the international scene with great songs and recordings.......Any evidence of Jimi ever jamming with The Band in Woodstock?......Imagine Jimi and Garth.....

It's good to see people wishing the troops well in The New War......May as many as possible return home safely to their loved ones and families. As everyday passes, it's becoming clear that these talented young men and women, on BOTH sides, are sacrificial lambs....being Slaughtered at the Alter of Big Business....It's also becoming obvious that military violence actually rules The World....The newspapers and The Electronic Media keep printing how the New War heralds a "new global order"........

Well, All Hail Global America, I say....

Embrace Global America!

LISTEN and SEE Global America! (see "my link") Thanks to all of you who gave it a listen...glad you enjoyed it!

May You Be Safe From Terrorists and Warmongers....Wherever You Are


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: gene clark

I know Gene Clark has passed on but I don't know when or how he died. I know all about Michael Clarke's death, sad. Any info. on Gene would be appreciated. I also have the Byrds reunion album, and though it is not the masterpiece everyone was expecting, I still think it was a decent album. The critics panned it, but believe me, I have heard worse albums.


Entered at Tue Mar 25 17:26:08 CET 2003 from citrix5.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.9)

Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Music

All this talk about Gene Clark makes me want to dust off the only album I own of his called Early LA Sessions... does anyone know if any of our fellas is on that one???

last few weeks I experenced some great music 3-16-03 caught Greg Brown at the After Dark Music Series in Middlebury VT... a great show Greg's daughter opened up for him and has some great talent like her dad...reminded me of when Amy was touring with Levon...looked like they were all having fun.

Then on 3-20-03 caught the Allman Brother's Band at the Beacon Theater in NYC... it is too bad that they kicked out Dickey Betts... but Warren Haynes and Derick Trucks can hold there own against anybody..

anyone in the GB going to the Claremont NH show on 4-4-03???


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Amanda and the road

Amanda, thanks for the tip and you are right about my motivations! I think you all know I do extensive business travel (Northern CA in a couple days)and the reason I can vacation so much with my wife is because of all the airline/hotel points I rack up, which has reached unreal proportions. But I'm starting to understand why guys like the reformed Band and others had to keep going out there; you become addicted. I could never do the 9-5 office thing again, although I guess I would if I had to, and I am doing it this week. Sure, things can get rough or discouraging, but there is a certain addiction to the variety of scenerey, people, etc. Even when I am on vacation I find myself traveling. The key, though, is to hit that hotel gym every morning, discipline yourself dietetically, and avoid alcohol until the last night. Otherwise you will find yourself in decrepit condition. I don't know, I'm not trying to compare myself to much to someone like Rick or Levon, but I can surely understand the desire to play those small clubs 1,000 miles from home, because when you are used to the road, staying home for more than two weeks is like being landlocked.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Arlo & the Dillards & the Byrds

Though it has been delayed almost as many times as Bob Dylan's upcoming autobiography, an album in production by Arlo Guthrie's Rising Son Records features a collaborative effort between Guthrie and the seminal but semi-retired bluegrass band, the Dillards. A mailing from Guthrie back in November listed fifteen tracks, all written by Arlo's legendary father. The album was tentatively titled "32 cents(Postage Due)," inspired by the Woody Guthrie stamp from a few years ago, when the project started.

The Dillards also connect to the band discussed here in recent days, the Byrds, mainly thanks to banjoist Doug Dillard's work with the late Gene Clark, but the Dillards lived in Los Angeles at the same time the Byrds were formed--finding fame initially by playing the bluegrass-playing Darling family on "The Andy Griffith Show" (which also featured a cameo appearance from the late, latter-day Byrds' guitarist Clarence White as a member of another bluegrass group in one episode).


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Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Location: Toronto

Subject: Clouds so swift

The essential difference between The Byrds and The Band was that each member of The Byrds came out of an acoustic folk or bluegrass tradition and had to learn to play electric instruments. It was Gene Clark who had a turn with The New Christy Minstrels, an insipid commercial folk creation of Randy Sparks, sort of a franchise type of deal which also included The Back Porch Majority which was like the triple A farm team if I can use a baseball metaphor. McGuinn started off backing The Limeliters, who were sort of in the Kingston Trio type of mode. He then backed The Chad Mitchell Trio and Bobby Darin. When he wasn't crooning 'Beyond the Sea' or 'Mack the Knife', Darin would take off the tie and get down to a little folk set, Tim Hardin's 'Carpenter' and his own 'Simple Song of Freedom'. However, it was James Darren who recorded 'Goodbye Cruel World' in which the singer threatens to join the circus because she broke his heart. But I digress. Crosby came out of some vocal group, The Brandywine Singers. I don't know whether or not he was kicked out.....

Just to set the record straight, Mike Clarke departed from The Byrds DURING the sessions for Notorious Byrd Brothers. The Byrds next album, 'Sweetheart of the Rodeo' saw the recently late Kevin Kelly, a cousin of Chris Hillman, taking over the drum seat. This was the only Byrds album with Gram Parsons. John Hartford, Roy Huskey, J.D. Maness and Earl Ball, all Nashville session players were on board for the recording. And Clarence White made his third appearance on a Byrds' album although not yet part of the group. When this Byrds configuration went to Britain and then were to play South Africa, Parsons jumped off, preferring to hang with his new friends Mick and Keefe. The Byrds played South Africa with a roadie pretending to be Gram Parsons! After that nadir, Hillman probably felt that it was all over, they were now a trio and the cousin was a bit of a head case and not much of a drummer (although I think he was backing Jeff Buckley near the end).

Hillman's roots were in bluegrass music and Parsons was talking up a new kind of country music, so it must have been a natural harmony kind of move to start up The Flying Burrito Brothers with Parsons. I don't believe that there was any rancor with Roger. In fact, the two bands often played gigs together and joined each other on stage. Mike Clarke joined The Burritos on their second album, the first having had a drummer by committee.

Clarke started off as bongo player and sort of learned while he earned as the Byrds' drummer. I suppose by the time he joined The Burritos he was quite competent. By the way, I always liked that third Burritos album,eponomously named, recorded with Rick Roberts replacing the wayward Parsons who had become a liability to that band by not showing up for rehearsals and recordings, preferring to hang with his old pals Mick and Keefe. Parsons went on to make two good solo albums and if you distill them into one by taking the best of both, you've got a great record, a modern country classic. The amazing thing was the way McGuinn managed to pull it together to reform a Byrds lineup that could carry on the traditional Byrds songs and still develop a new country flavored rock sound around Clarence White's playing. I saw that band and they played a great concert. McGuinn owned the band in those days, the others were on salary. I don't see the comparison to Robbie Robertson though. McGuinn never wrote as much and he seemed to allow the other members to contribute equally which was never to the Byrds' best interests since latter albums were kind of spoiled by weak writing and bad production. The Byrds reunion album, which was so anticipated, bringing together the original five, was given to the superstar David Crosby to produce. A bad idea. The problem with latter period Byrds was McGuinn giving too much latitude to non Byrds-like members such as Skip Battin, who once authored a terrible song about the St. Louis Browns,but I suppose a terrible baseball team deserves a terrible song.

Incidently, the Byrds box set, which is good but could have been better, restores the original Gram Parsons vocals to songs from 'Sweetheart of the Rodeo'. These were not part of the original release due to contract problems. However, 'One Hundred Years From This Day' does not measure up to the original release because they took away those great Byrd harmonies which made the original so great. A disappointment.

And finally, I think Jan should let us discuss The Byrds in here only every three months. My admiration for Gene Clark was somewhat diminished the time I saw him at The El Mocambo with Roger, and going up to the dressing room area I encountered a somewhat strung out Clark who was showing no patience for talking to his fans, being somewhat consumed by his determination to find that sixteen year old girl he'd recently met. I have a bootleg of a solo concert he did at Dingwall's in London in 1985. A very, very rough performance.


Entered at Tue Mar 25 15:52:00 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Amanda: no need to apologize.

Now, where did I put my white stetson?!??


Entered at Tue Mar 25 15:38:03 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-73.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.73)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Fred, Bob, J Tull

I'm sorry, Fred. I have been spat on so many times for throwing a compliment towards Levon. You seem to be one of the good guys.

Bob: Godspeed to Don.

J Tull: I'm sure you are coming here for the beaches and the flora and THE FOOD! We are not known for our live music scene, but there is a cool little place called The Jazz Corner--very NYCish. They have great drinks and desserts too!


Entered at Tue Mar 25 15:16:26 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Amanda: I wasn't trying to imply that you don't respect or appreciate the other 4 members of The Band (and, hey, I always read your posts); just making a point about how what you said is applicable to the others......you know, as we all do, it's what made The Band......The Band.


Entered at Tue Mar 25 14:52:52 CET 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1a-a-73.hhe.adelphia.net (68.70.18.73)

Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Fred; I love The Band

I meant no disrespect to any other Band member. Praise towards Levon doesn't an insult towards anyone else make. I have always been a bigger fan of the original five than any other version. I have, on more than one occasion, stated that they were all IRREPLACEABLE. I don't know if you have never bothered to read my posts or not, but I love The Band's music with all my heart. Please don't try to imply that I feel otherwise or that I give Levon more credit than anyone else. Yes, Levon sends the music over the moon for me, but other fans feel the same about Robbie, Garth, Rick or Richard. That is no crime.

BTW: I totally disagree that The Band is a Canadian band OR an American band. I never put those restraints on their music. In my last post about Levon, I merely stated the fact that the Southern/American aspect of the music was justified by Levon--gave it authenticity. That is not such a deep thought and doesn't subtract from the importance of the Canadian aspect. Technically they could have all BEEN replaced--drummer, guitar, bass, organ, singers, songwriters--but, that wouldn't have been The Band. I only have to listen to "Acadian Driftwood" or "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" or look at those old Elliot Landy photos--those five men came together for a reason in a certain time and place. If you can't believe that, what can you believe?


Entered at Tue Mar 25 14:31:57 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.249)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: One Soldier

This post goes out to a very close friend of my son's. Don Reynolds is a Marine fighting with the Third Battalion. He will be among the first to arrive at Baghdad. Despite all the feelings, pro and con, about this war the reality is there are young men and women putting it all on the line for us. Their commitment to their country and all of us should never go unappreciated regardless of our individual stance on this war.

I ask that you include him in your thoughts and prayers. He's a great guy and we anxiously await the day we can celebrate his homecoming.

Godspeed Don.


Entered at Tue Mar 25 14:14:00 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Amanda: your theory can be made for any of the other original members of The Band, too...e.g. without Garth/Richard/Rick/Robbie (take your pick) the Band wouldn't have been a reality. They all gave something special, added another aspect or layer if you will. Yes, there is only one Levon, but also one Garth, one Rick, one Richard & one Robbie...all irreplaceable


Entered at Tue Mar 25 11:55:53 CET 2003 from du-tele3-139.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.139)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Musical competence

This is as much a personal musing as anything on the concept of musical competence, once which I’ve touched on before. Several 60s bands, at least on their initial live appearances were deemed to be inept on stage. Many subsequently turned out to be excellent musicians. The Byrds were one, though as we now know McGuinn had toured the world with the New Christy Minstrels and was a very experienced performer as well as the only Byrd considered good enough to play on Mr Tambourine Man. The others who got slated as incompetent for their first live shows in the UK were The Doors, Jefferson Airplane & The Grateful Dead. The Small Faces bore the same tag in their first few months, probably because they were formed and recording within days (and they were full of very good musicians too). Them’s first US gigs attracted the same criticism (they were drunk). I’ve always been amazed at how the reputation of Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac has become so high – at the time a lot of people (me included) thought their rhythm section was dull, only just competent and simplistic, but I love hearing McVie & Fleetwood together post Buckingham-Nicks.

In those days we drew a line between bands who had paid their dues, and those that were felt not to have done. The former section included hard-working highly professional bands playing 6 or 7 nights a week over several years – the Alan Bown Set, Steampacket, Spencer Davis Group, Zoot Money’s Big Roll Band, Graham Bond Organization, John Mayall, The Yardbirds. So when The Hawks arrived with Dylan, they were immediately classed with the “professionals” and applauded by British musicians. It was immediately clear that they belonged in the ‘paid their dues’ group. If you look at Robbie’s dismissal comments on West Coast and Blues Boom groups in the late sixties, it is obvious that The Band felt the same distinction themselves, as had The Beatles before them – they’d played a lot more gigs than the early Stones for instance. Actually, because of British Musician’s Union rules, many American singers had to play with British back-up bands in the UK, so that few American groups of The Hawks’ standard had been seen.

Because Britain was two years behind in recreational drugs, the Airplane and The Dead were not understood at all. Every musician in London went to see the first Grateful Dead show, and most had walked out after 20 minutes claiming this was the worst band they’d ever seen. Of course they hadn’t stayed beyond the tuning-up, but 20 minutes of farting around was deemed unacceptable. This has been discussed before, two hours later they were supposedly sublime, but long before then the working British musicians had walked out and agreed they were “crap.” Constant critical themes were inability to tune an instrument properly, and musicians not being in tune with one another. This was said about The Doors, The Airplane and The Dead. As most members of all three later proved themselves to be accomplished, I assume that it was what they were ingesting that was the problem.

On a personal level, most of my friends before going to university were musicians. When I got to university I had a lot to do with drama not music, but the Students Union Entertainments Secretaries in successive years were Chris Wright (who founded Chrysalis … and “discovered” Jethro Tull for JTull fan) and Ed Bicknell who went on to manage Dire Straits, so there was always a “muso” envirinment. I was amazed in 1969 – 1970 to suddenly find myself with lots of people who were totally devoted to music, but who had never played. They introduced me to the bands musician friends had often reviled – The Byrds, the Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, all of which I subsequently collected. They played me a lot of Doors too, but never managed to overcome my deep prejudices there.

But The Hawks became The Band and one of the very few groups (The Beatles, The Beach Boys were others) to be totally admired by both schools of thought. Even The rolling stones haven’t managed that entirely (see Pat’s comments!)


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Posted by:

AliG

Location: Wash. D.C./@ school in boston

Subject: music

Hey. Is there anyone out there that I can send a blank CD to and get them to record Roosevelt Stadium day two for me? Please, my stereo cries at night asking for this CD. Please someone help me out here. I will also be at the show with Mr. Helm in sommerville.


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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Apropos of our recent discussion, tonight Paul Shaffer is guesthosting for David Letterman while Letterman is recovering from shingles...and subbing for Shaffer on keyboards in the house band is Mike Smith of the Dave Clark Five.


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Posted by:

Sharon

Location: Nashville, TN, USA
Web: My link

Subject: New Pedal Steel Magazine

Sending love and best wishes your way! God bless you! ------ www.theearlydays.com ----- www.pedalsteel.us


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Posted by:

Stephen W. Novik

Location: Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA

Subject: Alt-Music Guide short history of the Band

I just finished reading through Brue Eder's short history of the Band and I want to comment that where he states that the closest they came to a post-Last Waltz reunion would be "Fallen Angel" is lacking one detail-- if Eder said it would be the closest they came 'on record' (IOW 'in a recording situation')then yes, he would be right-- but in 1989, Robertson, Danko and Hudson were inducted into the Juno Awards Hall of Fame and for the televised awards show they performed "The Weight" with Blue Rodeo providing background harmony vocals (and most importantly, drums!)

To point this out and not mention the Cleveland Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame "reunion" (which I missed seeing any coverage of and consequently I don't know much about), would be just to once again mention the fact that the Band was a fabulous Canadian group. A group of Canadians that celebrated America. I would like to think that all Canadians celebrate America, (the U.S.) to their own degree. That's all I'm going to say about the war. Though I missed the sixties, I still like a word associated with that time-- PEACE.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Shooo Nuff

Al Edge: You are so RIGHT ON with your The War post.

Is the cookie cutter human being syndrome a baby boomer, genetic foul up? I am not being flip--I just don't see how ANYTHING can be so cut and dry.

Isn't the experience of life just one big contradiction? I think Dubya is a nightmare of a leader and possibly as a person. I like Hillary Clinton--an absolutely brilliant, original, sassy, power house. I believe freedom of speech is beautiful and we are so fortunate to live in the U.S. I don't have the heart to protest the war right now--although peace means the world to me--I have too much compassion for the United States troops--their families--their lives. Every night I say a prayer for the little children of Iraq--may they hold fast to their dreams and may they breathe a sweet existence someday. Today--I know I'm lucky to be free and safe--I am not detached--I am grateful and incredibly sad--emotions about this world whirl around me every second. I am not going to stand on a street corner banging pots and pans or burn a United States flag. I don't know why I'm sharing this--really--most of you don't like me or care what I have to say anyway. I just had a disturbing experience tonight. I taught a movement class and used two beautiful recordings of "America" by Soluna and "Landslide" by the Dixie Chicks. I received some negative comments regarding my choice of songs. I mean it's music. What the heck do those two songs have to do with war and peace? Stevie Nicks wrote "Landslide" in the 70s and "My Country Tis of Thee"--most of us learned that before we could walk. People that are absolutely sure they have it all figured out, really scare me. Cookie Cutter Human Being--not something I aspire to become.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Welcome back Amanda!

So, any good live music on your island? We're thinking of spending 3-4 days at the Crowne Plaza sometime between now and Labor Day.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Don't Ever Forget It.....

Thank the heavenly stars Levon chose to come back. The Band wouldn't have been a reality without him. The Canadian Band members were extremely sharp-witted, but Levon gave The Band--the music--it's Southern/American JUSTICE. Levon's musicianship--his voice--his aura--that doesn't come in a bottle. You can't put it in a pipe and smoke it--though--that might be fun. There is only one Levon--irreplacable--bona fide, genuine, real, true, sure-enough.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Hank

Wow - just had a listen to new stuff - there's a clarity and maturity - sounds mighty good Hank - your writing... well I'm sure you know better than anyone. Order will be winging its way very shortly. Look forward to it. Still playing the others.

Life's greatest fool - one of my many Gene faves Hank - I think it's the gathering momentum brings out the goosebumps - not easy to emulate but I can sure hear you in there Hank. So appropriate too. Man is life's greatest fool. Sure fuckin is mate.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: trees with roots

Gene Clark's great "White Light" album included a fine cover of "Tears of Rage".

By the time the Byrds recorded "Younger Than Yesterday" in late 1966, Chris Hillman was beginning to emerge as a force in the group. When the group was formed, he was a bluegrass mandolinist, but had developed into a talented bass player over the years. With the departure of Gene Clark, followed subsequently by that of David Crosby, Mr. Hillman was finally getting a chance to step forward as a singer & songwriter.

"Younger Than Yesterday" also marked the debut of Clarence White as a session guitarist with the Byrds. He played on "Time Between" and "Girl With No Name". The following year he also played on sessions for the "Notorious Byrd Brothers", adding his distinctive guitar style on "Wasn't Born To Follow" (which also appeared on the "Easy Rider" soundtrack), "Change Is Now" and "Get To You". In 1968, he played on "Christian Life", "100 Years From Now" and "Blue Canadian Rockies", included on the break-through "Sweetheart of the Rodeo" album.

After Gram Parsons left the Byrds, followed shortly thereafter by Chris Hillman, Clarence White was asked to officially become a member of the Byrds. Mr. White turned down an offer to join Gram Parsons & Chris Hillman in the Flying Burrito Brothers, opting instead to become a member of a group he'd long admired. The Byrds lineup at that time would also include drummer Kevin Kelly, who had previously replaced Michael Clarke, and bassist John York. A while later Mr. Kelly would be replaced by Clarence White's longtime music partner, Gene Parsons, on drums, banjo & harmonica, and bassist Skip Batten replaced John York.

If you examined the family trees of the California groups that often traveled down the hot, dusty roads of "country-rock", you would find that the roots & branches of their personnel often intertwined. The line-ups of the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, Poco, the Flying Burrito Brothers, CSN& sometimes Y, the Eagles, and many others, often resembled a game of musical chairs. Recently, with Garth's work with Sneaky Pete & Burrito Deluxe, the roots of The Band also seemed have to intertwined with this stand of California Redwoods.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The Tottenham Sound

Rog - you've got me in pieces reading that

- bits and pieces - you said you loved me and you'd always be mine - rattat, ratatatat, ratatatatatatatatatat - cue Robbie -'ah, they don't write 'em like that any more'

Thank god there was only five of 'em!

Poor old Gene was never really in with a ghost of a chance. You can picture him getting turned down now as he hawked his little gems round from one record company to another -

"Nah, sorry, Gene lad. That Tottenham sound's dead and buried mate. Went out yonks ago. Your Dave did the business with it I'm afraid. What you need is a gimmick. Have you got an organist with a big silly grin? Or a great song like that Bits and Pieces!!"


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Posted by:

Bill

BiffaloB: Blond lead singer on the organ could be Abraham's Children (among other bands), and they did have a hit, "Gypsy", around the right time, but not as soulful as what I think you're searching for. How 'bout SeaDog's "It's A Hot Night"?


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Posted by:

Bones

Otis: It is true that Robbie gave a few interviews during the release of the box set, where he said that he had spoken to Levon about the possibilty of recording new tracks for the release. Levon seemed to be receptive to the idea, according to Robbie, but then his book came out and that seemed to be the end of that.

Clearly, Robbie's ambition offends many people here in the GB. However, without Robbie's ambition, we would not even be here discussing this group. There have been wonderful groups who never made it because of either lack of ambition or lack of savvy about the music business. Actually, the Band were one of those groups in 1964-65. They were one of the best groups in the world, but nobody knew it. Then comes the break with Dylan, and Robbie began to meet movers and shakers that could change all of that for the group. Once it was time to settle down and make a record. The Band (or Hawks) absolutely realized they were better off personally and professionally with Levon in the group, so they called him to rejoin the group. I'm sure Levon is glad they called (and vice-versa).


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: One twists with one's ya ya …

John D - double thanks for information. Yes, 'Ya Ya Twist' was done in French and was a minor British hit … will have a better look at Borders tomorrow - the problem is what other stuff you get around it, which is variable! Amazed that Mike Smith is commanding 6 figures or equivalent billing to CSN or Joe Cocker on the circuit! I thought he suffered from not carrying the name of the band (though he was the band in effect). Still, the best of luck to him - I'm feeling glad all over to hear he's still around.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Dave:

I don't really remeber if they played that or not. We tried to avoid organized, 'touristy' things. My wife and I couldn't care less about shopping, for example, and we make the hotspots at home (New York, New Orleans, Memphis) for music, so in a place like Aruba it's all about Beach, Sun, and exploring things like ATV tours, rock climbing, museums, etc. We DID see an excellent Mexican band play traditional songs on acoustic instruments, however.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

JTull Fan: sounds as if your hotel band was trying to play all the types of music, both country & western. Did they play "Rawhide"?


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond Again

Subject: Just a stupid story

Our last night in Aruba we decided to attend the hotel's theme night,normally steared well clear by us, as we just wanted to stay near the beach and it was the easy thing to do as we needed to pack, etc. It was 'Texas BBQ Night', featuring 'authentic Country & Western Music by Jimmy & Jaycee'. Well, Jimmy and Jaycee turned out to be 2 Peruvians with 2 loud costumes, 1 Supersized Casio Organ, 1 drunken singer (JayCee)wearing one cowboy hat with fake ponytail attached. It was so horrible my wife and I had tears rolling down our cheeks. The low (or high) point was when JayCee announced the next song would be a salute to Janis Joplin, written by the great ROGER MILLER, called Me and Bobby McGhee! I didn't have the heart to shout 'Kris Kristofferson!', but said it loud enough for the next table to hear, and we all had a good laugh. Fortunately, no versions of the Weight or Dixie.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Some Walk Out Winners....of those who've lost....

Only one more Sunday Night of our residency here in Cork left.......

Last night, we did "Evangeline" and a "TNTDODD/Blind Willie McTell" medley......

Tonight, at my regular sit-down Monday night gig, I'll play "Lifes Greatest Fool" by Gene Clark..in recognition of what I've been reading here lately....

Check out my link for that "Global America" mp3

May you all be safe from Terrorists and Warmongers.....Wherever you are..........


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: You're Still The One

This may have already been posted; but this Orleans hit also became the offical promo song of the 1973 TV season for ABC. I still remember promos for Happy Days and Laverne & Shirley as the promo sang the praises of ABC being the (Still The #One Network) for that period in time.


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: "your'e still the one"

"Your'e Still The One" was done by Orleans.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Viney Does The Ya Ya Twist

Peter.....went to Amazon.com and found at least 8 CD's from Pet that carry that tune. Was it done in French? They appear to be on her Vogue Albums plus a live one plus some that are now out of stock.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: MIKE SMITH

Well Mr. Viney your question comes at a good time. He is appearing with his band at Casino Rama about 2 hours north of Toronto in the next few days. It appears by his itinerary that the Casino route is the way for many of these artists of that vintage now.

I have a strange relationship with the casino from a PR point of view. If you have a private venue or even a public one and you look to make money on the artist themselves, you get great co-operation for interviews etc. The Casinos don't care. They are making a fortune with gamblers. These acts who would have trouble making low 5 figures anywhere else can get 6 figures with no problem. Good for them. Sounds like a great retirement plan :-) Joe Cocker and Crosby Stills & Nash are on their way to the Casino as well.


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Posted by:

biffalo bull(dozing)

Subject: shalom arecum

Bill: Copper Penny was not the group, although "sitting on a poor mans throne", has got a nice Staple Singers groove to it. the band i am trying to remember, was a five piece outfit, blond haired lead singer on the organ, with a kinda of tough look. their song was only played on the local toronto and hamilton am stations for most part, that time in the summer of '72. anyhow thank you very much.

pending the correct outcome for isreal and the USA of this current aggresion in iraq, will the reichman brothers and their network, profit from select demolitions and subsequent rebuilding of glass and steel towers. if so, and if we have to adhere to the "if you cant beat them join them" style of liberty, should we be seeing our investment brokers et al? might be the way to go, because us poor folk and lefties just cant afford these wars, and now want to say thanks to wealthy for putting up the cash so that we can see the light. tax cuts you make sense to me now.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Gene Clark

Al: I love Gene Clark's "Roadmaster" album as it's probably the closest thing to an actual Byrds' record he ever did on his own (especially since other members of his old band played on that one). I see that his "No Other" album is coming out on CD for the first time on April 8th, so I guess I'll be buying that one, too.

I wish an authorized live set of the best of Clark's work with Rick Danko and Richard Manuel on the legendary "Byrds' Tribute" tour would surface. I have a self-described "Byrd-Head" friend here in Virginia who flew to Chicago a while back just to attend a tribute to Gene Clark concert.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Petula Clark

Roger, I've been looking for Pet's "Ya Ya Twist" for a while. That was OK! I once bought petrol at the next pump to Alan Clark many years ago. I said Hello. And he said Hello. Not much of an anecdote, really … Dave Clark - well, all the decent singing was Mike Smith … whatever happened to him?


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Brum UK

Subject: Clarks

'Struth Al, how much worse if you'd backtracked by mistake on Dave Clark. Alan Clark would be ok. Now Petula....


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: For The Byrds (thanks Peter and Al)

Al and Peter, thanks for reminding me of Gene Clark. I seem to overlook him. I took a listen to Mr. Tambourine Man and Turn Turn Turn (the albums) this morning. It's striking to relaize that Gene was really the musical leader in the early days. One of my favorite songs from his Byrds days is "Set You Free This Time", which really has that air of melancholy which was his specialty. I should seek out some of his solo stuff, as I feel I am missing out on something special. The one good thing about Clark's departure is that it forced Roger, David and eventually Chris (underrated) to start writing more. I'm also reminded of Gene returning for a very brief time in 1967 after Crosby was fired. Ahh, what a band!


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Al: To me, aside from having been a Byrd, Gene Clark is the guy who wrote "The World Turns All Around Her", which appeared on one the first couple dozen 45s I had - though sung by Fergus (Hambleton). Fergus has his own small place in Jan's Band discography, having been half of Goody Two Shoes, who appear to have recorded the first cover (1969) of "Up On Cripple Creek". For the benefit of BEG, who must've seen them tons of times at the Bamboo, he did much better in subsequent decades as the lead singer and main writer of the Satallites.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: a little balance on Cuba please

On the one hand, we have a U.S. government which, I feel, has an incorrect extreme embargo against Cuba, especially in light of the fact that we have relations and trade with China and Vietnam, and one could travel to the Soviet Union when it existed. I resent not being free to travel there, even though I probably would choose not to, but that should be my choice. I also feel the trade embargo misguided, which is why I relished bringing back a few illicit cigars into the U.S. yesterday. On the other hand, Cuba is a country under a repressive dicatatorship, where artists and writers who say the wrong thing are hauled off to jail. It happened to a prominent writer last week but his name escapes me. Sure the people may be ok, and it may be nice of them to have a statue of John Lennon in a park somewhere, but so what? This is still a totalitarian, repressive system whose residents will risk their lives to get to Florida, so I see no reason to celebrate it either. The embargo has failed for over 40 years now. We should go the opposite and open the doors to trade and travel, as it is outside contact the will bring down this regime, not further isolation.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The War

What's disturbed me as much as anything these past weeks is the steadfastness of polemic that abounds. Opinions like arseholes. Everyone has one. People against the war? 100% absolute sure of their ground. Those for - 100% likewise.

Surely these guys can't know every thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally I am instinctively against war but particularly one where the odds are so overwhemingly stacked. Can't be right I feel in my guts. And yet just this morning I heard an Iraqi woman whose aunt had been raped and burnt alive along with her 3 year old daughter in full view of her husband[the woman's uncle]. The husband had then been burnt to death, just in case his suffering hadn't been enough. This had been in the name of Saddam Hussein's rule.

You call it if you can. I can't.

Some bugger's got to, though.

Rather them than me - and I'm not usually one to sit on the fence.

The lesser of two evils perhaps? No? Yes? Maybe?


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Feed the Byrds

BEG - you've got it, I love it - humour rules ok!!

Seriously, the Eno article grated SOOOOOO much cos of that bit about Europe as some homogeneous utopian society where the unfortunates aren't allowed to fall between the cracks in the pavement. Pukesville or friggin what!!!! C'mon Kalervo, c'mon everybody - even Eddie Cochran doesn't buy that and he's been gone god knows how many years. For an ordinary working class feller to read such shoite and not blow it out of the water is far too much to expect. I don't see America as much better or worse but it does piss me off when some 'millions in the bank' prick like Eno spouts such ignorant holier than thou shoite.

Pete - respect your McGuinn stance. I'd have shared it probably until last year when I was exposed by accident to the majesty of Gene Clark. I'd heard a song back in the early seventies. I'd found it amazingly haunting. I'd got mixed up with the name and years later when I had a few more pennies had mistakenly backtracked on the artist Guy Clark. Reasonable stuff but disappointed as it never approached what was stored in my memory banks. Still I thought 'fair enough' I must have been my usual far too over-enthusiastic self when I'd heard it back then.

Fast forward 20 years and I read this guy in the Independent newspaper praising some fella called Gene Clark and an album called White Light. Vaguely remembered the name Gene Clark and internetted. Aahh yeah The Byrds! Immediately went out and got White Light. Re-discovered the long lost track I'd heard 30 years earlier plus a wealth of magical singing and songwriting I'd hitherto been deprived of. Have since got all his stuff. He is America's unheralded musical genius. No doubt in my mind. Prolific as many who are acclaimed as giants. Maybe not as good as some of the giants but if we're acclaiming the likes of Jim McGuinn with any rapture then Gene is not that far away from some of the true greats IMHO.

Charlie - so pleased you love him. Really am. What is your fave? Mine - amongst a litany - are the Gypsy Angel tracks Kathleen and Your fire Burning. So sparse, so spartan, so ravaged but so pure and beautiful they could surely only have come from the tortured soul of someone like Gene - or our Richard perhaps.


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Posted by:

Bill

Bruce Eder's opening words (see What's New) are, "For about six years, from 1968 through 1975 ..." Good thing he put in 'about'!


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

I'm not a war guy. But now that it is upon us, I support it. My main concerns is the same as others; What's next? I don't like being the global police but we seem to have been thrust into that position. It seems if we don't do anything about ills that go on, then no one will. I'm sure the world will be hard pressed to think that Iraq is a better place with Saddam. But again my fear is, What's next. If the USA is in the business to topple regimes, then I believe we are on the downward curve of the arc. SHould we then just sit back and let someone else handle the next problem? Who will step up to the plate when the next problem comes along? We are not in an enviable position. If we are the global cops then we will have to take the flak for it just like everyday cops do - Hated when nothing affects the person - the first ones called when in truoble..,


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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Rest Of The world...
Web: My link

Subject: European..Thank God

Angelina: I know it is a bit late welcome you back from Cuba., but welcome! I would like to hear of your trip more.We have had a little Latin festival here in Vantaa, bands and singers from Brazil, Cuba and Finland. For instance Ithamara Koorax who is maybe the best songstress in the western hemisphere at the moment.

And many thanks for Brian Eno' s fine article. I think 80 - 90 % of Europeans will agree with him. 80 % of Finns are against USA' s attack. We know what it is to be near one-eyed and aggressive superpower. I have tried to understand Americans and there are some wonderful people there, but maybe the money and lousy entertainment business have made the majority of Americans to modern cave-people or bush-people. What after Iraq? Syria and North-Korea? What after them? One-pole world is getting scary...But every Empire has fallen...

It makes me sad that USA and the American people are looking stranger than ever. I have still this heart connection, but I see myself turn to the other cultures more and more. Mia Doi Todd' s Golden State is the only American album I have bought in 2003. I know there a lot of meaningful American culture under the surface, but why on earth you let the money rule so much??? in everything (foreign policy, entertainment, etc)


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

BiffaloB: I envy you having caught Danny Brooks on Open Mike. As ‘encyclopedic’ as my mind can be in some categories, it proved unable to retain my own plan to watch the show. As for the group, would it have been Copper Penny – “You’re Still The One” and “Sitting On A Poor Man’s Throne”?

On another note, what should I hear on oldies radio this morning, for the first time ever, but "You Can't Sit Down" by the Dovells. This compels me to ask a question I've thought of asking on previous occasions when CHUM has played some forgotten song just days after it's been raised here on the GB, is one of you people the PD there or something?


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Ze Byrds

The only time Michael Clarke ever received a songwriting credit during his Byrds tenure was on "Artifical Energy" from The Notorious Byrd Brothers. Calvin, I will agree that the 3 eras of The Byrds are worth a listen, no doubt. In my opinion, Dr. Byrds and Mr. Hyde is a great album. A shame that it didn't do very well chart-wise. Thankfully, the single of "Lay Lady Lay" didn't end up on the album. Sorry, but that awful choir ruins it for me. The 1990 remix w/out the "awful" is much better.

Peter, thank you for reminding me about that hidden track where Michael Clarke can't (or won't?) get his drum part right. I used to think it was McGuinn who was arguing w/him but it's really Crosby. I'm going back and dig that up for a listen.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Byrds

What a unique group. I suppose in a sense the Byrds are 3 distincly different groups who simply shared the same name and a number of members. The original lineup (and the follow-up withoutClark), the country line-up with Gram Parsons, and the McGuin/WHite/Parsons line-up which is sorely underrated. It is often difficult to believe these 3 groups are the same band. ANd even more wondrous is all 3 "groups" are worth a serious listen.

I've never been a big Crosby fan though, at least with the Byrds, I felt that his contributions were minimal when compared to Clark early on and later he just got so full of himself that Hillman and McGuinn actually booted him. When you say you are a Crosbyite Peter, are you referring to his career as a whole or as a Byrd? Because if you are talking about as a Byrd then I wouldnt mind hearing some reasons.

In one of the Byrd reissues a comment was made in the Liner Notes that Mike Clarke was brought on as the drummer because he looked like the drummer. As the only original member not to sing and write multiple toons, actually not a 1 I believe, it is an interesting comment. But then again he wound up drumming for bankable groups in the FLying Burrito Brothers and Firefall for close to 15 years after he left the Byrds, so whatta we know.

The comment about McGuinn being a bit of a control freak, I dont remember the term used, but I believe it was Robertsonian, is probably dead on. Parsons in my opinion left the group after one album because he didnt want to be a hired hand under Roger, He made some other excuses about not wanting to play in South Africa, but subsequent research into that reasoning was found to be impossible to defend-I always thought he simply didnt want to offend. But then as Hillman and Mike Clarke quickly joined him to reform the FLying Burrito Brothers something was definately up. As Parsons, White and Clarke are deceased and Hillman has certainly made any ammends he needed to with McGuinn I doubt we'll ever know what really happened. Personally, much like the fued, it doesnt matter much to me-they made great music, which is all that is important.

BTW, if anyone cares I'm a Clark, then Hillman, then Mcguinn guy. Some of Hillman's solo work, and his efforts with the Rice Brothers and Herb Pederson is wonderful.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Of course you're choking on baloney.....It's full of nitrates!....;-D

I'm reading Bebe Buell's "Rebel Heart" to get my mind off much sadness and a Band member is mentioned......Guess who?


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Posted by:

the dirtbag

Location: habbalascingelibings

I want to kill bushemann.....-bad guy!!! No but serius...why isnt there text to some songs hear!!! PEACE MAN!!!!!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Burds cont

More Byrds. I didn’t get into The Byrds seriously until I was already into Big Pink and The Brown album (and CSN), and I came in and got three albums almost simultaneously early in 1970 - Notorious Byrds Brothers, Dr Byrds & Mr Hyde and (of course) Sweetheart of the Rodeo, swiftly followed by Ballad of Easy Rider. Before that they were a singles band I liked – I bought Mr Tambourine Man and Eight Miles High as singles. Having read the big Byrds biographies by Johnny Rogan, I realize that the onslaught they got from the British music press for their first live tour (they admit they weren’t good) had put me off buying the fine earlier albums (which I now have and like). So, if you come in where I came in, you’re a McGuinnite. I didn’t want to offend the Gene Clarkonians!


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Posted by:

Jennifer Burnes

Location: California/SF/SC/Grass Valley
Web: My link

Subject: Rick Danko

While on tour in Hawaii, at a bus stop, a man sits next to me and recognizes me from the photos in the papers. He says he's been drumming for over 30 years, and I say "thats longer than I"ve been alive." He asks "who is your favorite Bass Player" I thought for a minute, cause there are so many great ones, John Entwhistle had just past, so he was fresh on the mind, but I said, "Rick Danko!" As soon as I said that, he gasped and said, "WOW! I wouldn't expect a young girl like you to know who Rick Danko is, I'm impressed!" I feel so lucky to have found someone I can look up to. To play the Bass, an sing like that, is to be a person who doesn't need to be upfront, but can take the lead without hesitation and with grace at the same time.Yet you couldn't ask for a better player/singer to back you up. I didn't Know Rick, I thanked God today, for him . Thank You for having a web site about him. I dream of playing the Bass like Rick Danko.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Burds

The Byrds – I have everything up to Untitled on CD, and most on original vinyl too. Actually, I have to say I’m a definite McGuinnite with slight Crosbyist and Hillmanista tendencies, rather than a (Gene) Clarkonian. We could start a whole new feud discussion on The Byrds … but let’s not! Having posted that in jest, I guess it’s the auteur theory that makes a Robertson fan think of McGuinn first, and the argument might not be wildly different. Seriously, as we discussed some time ago there are great hidden bonus tracks on The Byrds CDs, including their own “Troggs tape” where Michael Clarke can’t get the drums right.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (where the people were heros...just for one night)
Web: My link

Subject: Heed Virgil Cane, "a whole new frame of mind... people...people in the streets", Pat Dubya Brennan, dollars for dozers

Lars: If the war was illegal, immoral and unwise on March 19th, it is illegal, immoral and unwise now. The troops are wrong to fight a preemptive war. Stopping the war keeps them alive and thousands of Iraqis, too. Blindly following the government out of "loyalty" or "for honor" is exactly what Virgil Cane condemned in the end. Loyalty to humanity is the highest honor.

Ben Pike: Last Thursday's demonstration in Chicago at which 15,000 demonstrators shut down Lake Shore Drive and then Michigan Avenue was phenomenal. For a few hours, we ruled the streets. I did not see one bulldozer, but I heard about one tractor shutting down War-shington D.C. for two days. See the link above for some photos of Chicago and elsewhere.

Pat Brennan: Empathy for Dubya? Give me a break.

PutEmUp: I know you're out chopping wood cuz your money's no good and your bag is sinking low, but I would appreciate a response to my March 19th post arguing that Israel is a terrorist state. I thought Butch would jump on it, but he's occupied by spewing hate from one cheek and, from the other cheek, justifying the murder of anyone on whose face he perceives "hate". I wonder if he realizes that he just bulldozed himself. By the way, Butch, it's not John Deere bulldozers that U.S. taxpayers buy for the Israelis to commit murder and otherwise violate the Geneva convention, it's Catapillars--and there is a campaign against Cat. See, Sustaincampaign.org (Stop U.S. Tax Assistacom to Israel Now). Here is the wording from the anti-Cat petition: "Stop the Bulldozers that Wreck Palestinian Lives Since 1967, Israel has demolished more that 7,000 homes in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, leaving about 50,000 Palestinians homeless. But the pace has quickened since the beginning of the new Palestinian uprising, or Intifada, began in September 2000. Since the Intifada began, Israeli troops and settlers have uprooted an estimated 385,000 olive trees—not to mention orchards of dates, prunes, lemons and oranges. The economic hardship this has imposed on thousands of Palestinians comes on top of already dire levels of unemployment and poverty in the Occupied Territories. During the Israeli offensive in the Jenin refugee camp this past April, at least 140 buildings were flattened and 200 more severely damaged, leaving an estimated 4,000 peoples homeless—more than a quarter of the camp’s population, in little over a week. Demolishing civilian homes is a crime under the Fourth Geneva Convention, which Israel has signed.Much of this is done with Bulldozers supplied by the U.S. multinational corporation Caterpillar. We the undersigned demand that Caterpillar cease sales to the Israeli Defense Forces, which pays for this equipment with U.S. tax-funded aid. Caterpillar must stop assisting the Israeli military in committing war crimes!"


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

And of course, you can support the troops BY opposing the war... Welcome back Roz!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Crusaders

Have always been a fan of The Crusaders. Having most of them back together again on "Rural Nenewal" is great. Mr. Clapton guests on a couple of tracks.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Gene Clark

A.E.: I share your appreciation of Gene Clark and own virtually all of his solo and other recordings on either vinyl or CD and even a couple of collaborations with Carla Olson on cassette. I'd like to hear what the Byrds might have produced if he'd stayed with them for another couple of albums. Heck, I even like that reunion album from the 70s that critics ranked right up there with "Planet Waves" as an album that sounded better in theory than in actuality.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Byrdmaniax

I love The Byrds. In all their many guises.

HOWEVER...

...Gene Clark - is there nobody else on the GB apart from Calvin - not forgot your cd btw mate something soon - who shares my own esteem for this man's amazing talent? A great Byrd, but an even greater ex-Byrd.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Choking on Eno Baloney

Apologies to the sensitivities of everyone who found the Brian Eno article some sort of beacon of enlightened perspective but whilst some of what he wrote regarding American paranoia and withdrawal may well have carried a semblance of truth, his extolling of Europe - from this particular northern English perspective, at least - was utterly risible, nay, contemptible, in its smug complacency.

I repeat the relevant extract I take serious issue with:

"...Well, we like some of it but could do without the rest: among the highest rates of violent crime, economic inequality, functional illiteracy, incarceration and drug use in the developed world. President Bush recently declared that the U.S. was "the single surviving model of human progress." Maybe some Americans think this self-evident, but the rest of us see it as a clumsy arrogance born of ignorance.

Europeans tend to regard free national health services, unemployment benefits, social housing and so on as pretty good models of human progress. We think it's important ‹ civilized, in fact ‹ to help people who fall through society's cracks. This isn't just altruism, but an understanding that having too many losers in society hurts everyone. It's better for everybody to have a stake in society than to have a resentful underclass bent on wrecking things. To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less gun crime and homicide, less poverty and arguably a higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got."

Do us a favour Brian.

Emerge for one brief moment from that cocoon of Harry Potteresque cosiness you so clearly inhabit for a cold shower of sobering English reality. Take a good hard look at the Britain beyond your cosy middle class enclave.

A crumbling health service, a welfare provision in a state of utter disarray, a deteriorating fabric of education and society per se, graduates with no prospects, an underclass that proliferates from Aberdeen to Abertillery, a drug culture that in vast tracts of urban Britain is epidemic and the norm with its ensuing violence and crime, beggars on the streets, roads at times virtually untravellable with congestion...

Need I go on?

Eno reminds me of a member of my own family who has resided in a salubrious part of Cheshire for so many years so remote and so detached from deprivation - so sickeningly comfortable that their idea of a hard time is one ladybird too many on the hydrangea bush - that they've truly come to believe that everything in the garden is rosy.

Slums? What slums? Poverty? What poverty?

As I read Eno's indignance at some American's pro American stance on their country's current situation the words pot, kettle and black come to mind though underscored by somewhat less polite sentiments from which I'll refrain from posting as I know certain souls on here abhor me using such terms.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Brian Eno & yeh I know I'm asking for it.

In what is a very emotional subject I felt that Eno's piece was very well written. I'm sorry that one poster reacted to the Brian Eno piece that way. Sadly his reaction is exactly what Eno was talking about to a degree. Stick with me for a moment. When I read a reaction like this I can't help but think that your letting the bastards behind 9/11 win. Just for a moment imagine that 9/11 never happened and the U.S. government still went ahead with the current restrictions for "safety sake." There would be an uproar amongst Americans regarding their civil rights. They would never put up with it. It's interesting that if you "give the appearance of keeping people safe" you can get away with anything.

Incidently one should never ask a Brit or a European what it feels like to be bombed. I think they sadly know all too well.


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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Byrds

Peter V., nice to see you comment on The Byrds. And to Richard, I'll burn the cd's for you if you like. On the other hand, you need the booklet and the informative liner notes as well. If you like I'll burn you copies.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Jackson Browne on The Band

Here are some words by Jackson Browne, quoted from the fine book by Jac Holtzman with Gavan Davis, titled "Follow the Music: the Life and High Times of Elektra Records in the Great Years of American Pop Culture":

"The Band came out with 'Music From Big Pink'[and] we had never heard anything like it. It was ragged, loose, but it was plugged into something so real.

"My friends had made some slick records that didn't mean a thing to anybody. Producers were using the same musicians in the studio with very different artists, not finding what was unique about an artist and shaping the production around that. The session hack system was looming, and it was the enemy. We were thinking, 'how do you get in the studio and make something that sounds like itself?'n\We were taking Big Pink as a road sign. Being with all those buys in the canyon, around Ridpath, gave birth to the idea. So we were saying, 'we want to make a record in a house, in the country.'"


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Eno

I wonder what Eno would do if someone broke into his house and set off a bomb in his living room. Would he start leaving the front door open or grab the phone and dial the Slomin Shield 800 number?


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Posted by:

Vernon Chumbley

Web: My link

Excellent Site! :)


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Posted by:

Benny

Anybody out there get to see the JWB at the Bottom Line? Thank you and God Bless our troops


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Posted by:

Otis

Roz...I mean Patricia...I mean Fallen Angel. Would you please stop posting. You promised so don't be a hypocrite anymore.


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: correction

www.visiontv.ca-----reads march 21/2003 should be march 20, 2003

please check out all barry swicker commentaries


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: ah think i like all great minds

beg, thankyou for the eno article, great read!

for those who like words, check out www.visiontv.ca and search for the barry swicker commentary dated march 21, 2003.

i am sorry that i cannot scan the watercolour painting from a KW RECORD article from 2 saturdays ago. the scetch had a group of 4 or 5 costa rican musicians sitting outside on a sunny day, under a tree, playing music. it reminded me of what i think was the true spirit of THE BAND.


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Posted by:

RUBY

Location: NEW YORK

Subject: LEVON, THE CUTEST MAN ALIVE

My girlfriends and I saw The Last Hombres last night and we just cant believe how great this band is. Levon is the cutest man alive, his playing was right on the mark and he had a grin on his face for the full two and a half hours that they rocked the house. I also got their CD and have been listening to it all morning. This is the best thing Levon has done in years. Count me in as a huge Hombre fan from this day on !!!!!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Ry and Cuba

A minor bonus of being glued to the radio for news on the motorway instead of listening to music. BBC Radio 4 interviewed Ry Cooder the other day, which BEG’s mention of Cuba reminded me of. Ry was fined $100,000 for breaking the 40 year old embargo due to his work with Cuban musicians. Though he was given a year’s amnesty to record his latest two productions, he says with great sadness that it will never happen again. The pot is therefore empty. As Canadians and Europeans no longer have any problems in visiting Cuba, one does have to wonder why Cuba is still perceived as such a threat that Ry can’t produce music there! I can’t see what threat Ibrahim Ferrer poses, but there you go.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Richard: Yes....timing is everything....but what is started can surely be stopped?.....Unfortunately I only saw Eno's words this morning.....I thought he was very articulate and thoughtful and shared a balanced perspective.......In anycase, I wish I saw Eno's words earlier.....Eno was in Time Europe Magazine....January 20, 2003 Volume 161, Number 3...Btw....At Canadian Music Week....Daniel Lanois spoke most highly of Eno as a musician....as well as.....Neil Young.....Dylan.....He mentioned Robbie when he played at the Elmo....

Btw 2....I also agree that anti-war does not necessarily mean anti-American...........'Cause two of my fave musicians who are foremost writers......are American.....Dylan and Louuuu.....and all of you know how much they mean to me.....;-D.......plus one of my fave cities in the world to be in is......NYC.....:-D

Btw3.....When I was in Habana, Cuba last week we visited the Park where there is a sculpture of John Lennon sitting on a bench.....I met someone from Toronto on this Cultural Tour who went to school with Dan Hill and Rob Bowman.....The Musicologist who did a Docu on Robbie.......My new buddy wore his t-shirt that read Lennon's......"War Is Over"......


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Ambient War/Sensitive Souls

Brown Eyed Girl: I'm not sure this is the right time for it, but I found Eno's comments to be quite interesting. "Ambient Journalism"?

Anti-War does not equal Anti-U.S.: Much to my surprise, I find myself once again agreeing with Prime Minister Chretian, who recently said... "The war has started. We hope it will be brief, with a minimum of casualties on both sides. At this point, I think there is no use debating the reasons why some people think war is necessary and some people think it is not. We should not say anything that would comfort Saddam Hussein."

P.S.: Can you sensitive souls who have had disagreements with others in here just get over it and talk to the rest of us?


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Heart vs Soul

Cousin Paul: I don't understand when you say I speak more from my heart than my soul...since I don't want to clog up the GB if you could e-mail me at Celt27@aol.com and explain I would appreciate it...I really don't want to offend anyone or make them angry...and I think I buried my ghosts on St. Patrick's day...wish you could have seen the flowers.

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Otis

Calvin, This is not a good example of anything. A good example would site instances. You have failed to do so. I asked a simple question. Where did you read that RR asked Levon about the "box set"? You replied..."This isn't something I think I've read somewhere, RR mentioned this more than a few times in some interviews." Could you please cite one, much less a few? As for your question about RR producing a box set and not telling anyone about it...you are probably right. Maybe he did. But would he ask for input? A-ha...that's another story. Remember this is the man (along with Springsteen who didn't know about the arrangement while RR did) who played with John Fogerty at the Creedence Clearwater Revival Hall of Fame induction ceremony while the surviving members (who were not asked to play) and their families got up and walked out in protest. RR is all about himself and the spotlight. No input necessary.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Reply to Otis' question

Umm Otis, I dont mean this as an insult-but RR saying he was surprised at LH anger because when he called him up about cutting a new track or two for the Box Set he didnt mention anything is more or less common knowledge to Band fans. This isnt something I think Ive read somewhere, RR mentioned this more than a few times in some interviews. And your comments is a good example of how the fued has got out of hand among us who really dont know anything about it. RR is a very private, somewhat distant guy, but do you really think he produced a box set and didnt tell the other guys about it?


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

The U.S. Needs to Open Up to the World

To this European, America is trapped in a fortress of arrogance and ignorance BY BRIAN ENO

Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination and puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a country that prides itself on its economic success could have so many very poor people? How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy special interest groups? For me, the question has become: "How can a country that has produced so much cultural and economic wealth act so dumb?"

I could fill this page with the names of Americans who have influenced, entertained and educated me. They represent what I admire about America: a vigorous originality of thought, and a confidence that things can be changed for the better. That was the America I lived in and enjoyed from 1978 until 1983. That America was an act of faith ‹ the faith that "otherness" was not threatening but nourishing, the faith that there could be a country big enough in spirit to welcome and nurture all the diversity the world could throw at it. But since Sept. 11, that vision has been eclipsed by a suspicious, introverted America, a country-sized version of that peculiarly American form of ghetto: the gated community. A gated community is defensive. Designed to keep the "others" out, it dissolves the rich web of society into a random clustering of disconnected individuals. It turns paranoia and isolation into a lifestyle.

Surely this isn't the America that anyone dreamed of; it's a last resort, nobody's choice. It's especially ironic since so much of the best new thinking about society, economics, politics and philosophy in the last century came from America. Unhampered by the snobbery and exclusivity of much European thought, American thinkers vaulted forward ‹ courageous, innovative and determined to talk in a public language. But, unfortunately, over the same period, the mass media vaulted backward, thriving on increasingly simple stories and trivializing news into something indistinguishable from entertainment. As a result, a wealth of original and subtle thought ‹ America's real wealth ‹ is squandered.

This narrowing of the American mind is exacerbated by the withdrawal of the left from active politics. Virtually ignored by the media, the left has further marginalized itself by a retreat into introspective cultural criticism. It seems content to do yoga and gender studies, leaving the fundamentalist Christian right and the multinationals to do the politics. The separation of church and state seems to be breaking down too. Political discourse is now dominated by moralizing, like George W. Bush's promotion of American "family values" abroad, and dissent is unpatriotic. "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of cant you'd expect from a zealous mullah, not an American President.

When Europeans make such criticisms, Americans assume we're envious. "They want what we've got," the thinking goes, "and if they can't get it, they're going to stop us from having it." But does everyone want what America has? Well, we like some of it but could do without the rest: among the highest rates of violent crime, economic inequality, functional illiteracy, incarceration and drug use in the developed world. President Bush recently declared that the U.S. was "the single surviving model of human progress." Maybe some Americans think this self-evident, but the rest of us see it as a clumsy arrogance born of ignorance.

Europeans tend to regard free national health services, unemployment benefits, social housing and so on as pretty good models of human progress. We think it's important ‹ civilized, in fact ‹ to help people who fall through society's cracks. This isn't just altruism, but an understanding that having too many losers in society hurts everyone. It's better for everybody to have a stake in society than to have a resentful underclass bent on wrecking things. To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less gun crime and homicide, less poverty and arguably a higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got.

Too often, the U.S. presents the "American way" as the only way, insisting on its kind of free-market Darwinism as the only acceptable "model of human progress." But isn't civilization what happens when people stop behaving as if they're trapped in a ruthless Darwinian struggle and start thinking about communities and shared futures? America as a gated community won't work, because not even the world's sole superpower can build walls high enough to shield itself from the intertwined realities of the 21st century. There's a better form of security: reconnect with the rest of the world, don't shut it out; stop making enemies and start making friends. Perhaps it's asking a lot to expect America to act differently from all the other empires in history, but wasn't that the original idea?



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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Byrds remasters on CD

Essential for bonus tracks, but most of all for enhanced sound quality. Chris Hillman's bass particularly achieves new levels. And they're fun.


Entered at Sun Mar 23 12:02:09 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.153)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: “Don’t Spare the Reefer”/Byrds/‘Aoxomoxoa’

I agree David P. that the chord structure of “Reaper” is similar to “All Along the Watchtower” (except of course for the middle eight, which sounds like the boys from Yes took the wrong color acid). The only other example of that chord sequence that I can think of is the heavy bit at the end of “Stairway to Heaven“, but I guess I was thinking more in terms of tempo and tone. Like Bill, I’m sure I heard a song tucked away somewhere on the B side of one of their albums that was a dead ringer for “Reaper”. Right now, the most similar sounding song I can think of is “So You Want To Be a Rock and Roll Star”. Co-incidentally “Rock and Roll Star” was later recorded by Patti Smith who was the co-author of the “Reaper” single’s B-side - “Career of Evil”.

I find it interesting that many of us here have yet to make the jump to CD with the Byrds. In my case, it just took so long to acquire all of the original LP’s in good condition that it seemed like too much of a hassle to start over… Too bad for me they’re all in storage in Canada. With the advice of Mike D. and David P. and a few others here, the deficiency will soon be rectified. Thanks.

I notice that ‘Aoxomoxoa’ has recently been re-mastered and expanded… has anybody heard the new version?


Entered at Sun Mar 23 06:53:00 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Otis

Subject: Otis

Calvin, Where did you read this?

"According to RR he called up Levon about cutting new tracks when the Band Box Set came out and Levon acted like it was a good idea and never told RR he had any issues with him."

Did the other member have knowledge about the box set until it happened?


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Whispering Pines

Rollie: At the Tower Records (here in the Far East) I normally shop at they still have some copies. Someone at the store FINALLY moved the Garth CD from the Country & Western Section to its rightful place in the Rock section. It took them a while to do so, but better late than never.


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Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: whispering pines

Is Whispering Pines still available?????????


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Posted by:

6.000.000

Subject: think that ,,, butch ,,,

is a flaming ASS HOLE


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

JTull Fan: Sounds like you stormed a good beach... Cigars and Pina Coladas are an excellent combo... I think I need to disappear somewhere myself for a while... get rid of this wierd war energy that's all around... it's taken ahold of me... maybe I'll take a walk in the woods...


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Fallen Angel/My Dear FRIEND Butch

Fallen Angel,Please do not apoliguissssse,be accurate and be nice. Your Heart sometimes speaks louder than your SOUL. Brother Butch, You for sure need a visit with Me and Moose. C.P.


Entered at Sun Mar 23 03:00:44 CET 2003 from zorg153.revealed.net (208.243.237.153)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Charlie/The Byrds

Charlie, just to clarify things...Lady Friend was recorded well after the "Younger" sessions and much closer to the beginning of the "Notorious" sessions. "Lady Friend" would have sat better as a bonus cut on the Notorious remaster. I sometimes wonder what if Crosby's "Triad" had not been excluded from the "Notorious" album (wasn't released until 1987!). Ahh well... :)


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: The "B" Section & SNL

Besides the Byrds and The Band, I always gravitated to the "B" section in record stores for Beach Boys, Beatles, Buffalo Springfield, Jackson Browne and Chuck Berry, too. I wonder how many bands picked "B" names just to wind up in that section...

Now that the "Saturday Night Live" rerun featuring The Band is on the horizon, I just found a web site that offers documentation of every episode in the show's history. Click the link above for a detailed list of each segment of that historic evening's original, unedited sequence. Does anyone know how many of the four songs make the cut for the one hour rerun?


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Posted by:

Hi

Subject: the Byrds not the 'birds

Charlie, I was a Byrds freak before the Band...I loved "Lady Friend" and hate "Mind Gardens" but I was under the impression it was a sort of "Notorious..." omission about the time Crosby left...and the B side of "Eight miles High, "Why" is a different version than on the "Younger than..."record.The picture sleeve had the 5 members but Gene was gone before the LP "5th D." came out with it included.I never made the transition to CDs with them so I'm sure it's all covered....long ago..Still got those 45s..


Entered at Sun Mar 23 00:10:49 CET 2003 from du-tele3-148.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.148)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Back to the feud!

Calvin summed up the feud pretty neatly there, and without taking sides and adding a neat footnote. The pros of discussing the feud again at this time include (A) no one gets killed on either side (b) Levon has never suggested pushing all Canadians into the sea, nor has Robbie ever suggested pushing all Arkansas people into the sea (c) In spite of the extremist views of those around him, Levon hasn’t suggested bulldozing any of us innocent bystanders (well, not publicly at least) (d) The Levonistas have never waltzed into LA, come to an amicable agreement to take over half Robbie’s house, then a few years later announced they were going to take the rest too, and commenced by moving some remote cousins in (e) neither side has weapons of mass destruction (f) neither side has suicide bombers (g) I agree with Calvin – neither side is consciously telling lies.

The cons of discussing the feud are that we’ve done it so often that our arguments are very well-rehearsed and therefore repetitive. However, if it comes to discussing the feud compulsarily, well, our guys are in there already, so we have no choice but to discuss it.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Digger, Digger, Digger-just when we got to a safe topic like the war you had to go and bring up the fued

The True story is anyone's guess Digger, and people here get real made when you take one side or the other. Youve read Levon's views-let me explain where RR was supposedly coming from. RR wanted to be what he is now, a composer, Music Exec, producer and occasional musician who recorded whatever he chose and never set foot on stage because he doesnt really like playing Live. THe rest of the guys are working musicians, and I dont say that as a demeaning thing-being working musicians is a great calling. RR probably would have, according to his own statements at the time, like to have continued THe Band as a studio unit and never tour again-but there seemed to be little interest to go down that road-at least given how they all acted when they were putting out Islands.

As for not playing together, RR played on LH's first solo album, and Garth and Rick played on both of RR's non Native American music solo albums. So it seems that it was an anomosity that grew as the years went on-never checked it just got out of hand. THere are some rumours that RR contacted the other guys about touring with them in the late 80s, but they declined-according to Rick he didnt have anything against RR it was just a bad idea, read whatever you want into that. According to RR he called up Levon about cutting new tracks when the Band Box Set came out and Levon acted like it was a good idea and never told RR he had any issues with him.

Personally I believe them both, in the sense that they both believe what they are saying and neither is telling lies. Whatever the reason it is a shame, but I dont believe Robbie or Levon are the bad guy in this tale.


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Posted by:

Kay

Subject: Lifeboy and racism

You are waaaay out of your depth. . .even more than usual.


Entered at Sat Mar 22 21:48:52 CET 2003 from m198214181177.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.177)

Posted by:

Pehr

You won't be so arrogant when the police show up...


Entered at Sat Mar 22 21:31:38 CET 2003 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Subject: tu ne dois pas avoir peur

just back from church ...... what's new? ...... got him?


Entered at Sat Mar 22 20:52:41 CET 2003 from max1ka-33.his.com (216.194.229.33)

Posted by:

Phil Acosta

Location: Falls Church, VA

Hello, I have enjoyed this website emensely. I will continue to come back to it. There's just too much to absorb at one sitting. Thanks for putting it together.


Entered at Sat Mar 22 20:34:10 CET 2003 from fouroozan.pressenter.com (209.224.36.122)

Posted by:

digger

Location: wisconsin

Subject: the band

i have always been a big fan of the band, and recently i have listened almost exclusively to them..i'm currently reading levon's book on the band and was disheartened to learn the no-loved-lost relationship he has with robbie...it's ashame that a bunch of guys who had so much together could not reform totally before the untimely deaths of richard and rick...they were all so magical together...can anyone tell me what the whole story was with robbie not wanting to rejoin the others ever after the last waltz...was he just too egotistical as levon's book implies to reunite with them, or did he have legitimate reasons?...anyone's input would be appreciated....thanks, digger


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Political Rhetoric and a call for civility, but Ill start with some musical notes

I picked up a few Band related CD this weekend which I had been unable to find in the past. The first Ringo Starr All-Star Band with Levon and Rick. Rick came of really well but I didnt like the version of the Weight they did, maybe a little too slow? Levon of course was great but something was missing, as I have several live versions without RR it wasnt just him so I guess it backs up the idea that the Band was the rare group where it was bigger than any single player.

I also picked up the soundtracks for the Color of Money and Phenomonen. RR can play some sweet guitar, made me wish he and Aaron Neville recorded together more often.

I bought a Travis CD on the strength of their cover version of the Weight from Igby Goes Down, was very disapointed-guess it is the material more than the band.

I was reading an interview with Billy COrrigan of Smashing Pumpkins fame the other day. WHen asked why he formed a new group instead of going solo he replied that he thinks a true group dynamic allows musician to produce better music. He sighted Dylan who he said made his best music when he worked with The Band. You never know who the fans are.

A couple nights ago, while sitting in a restaruant/bar owned by a good friend of mine, myself and a few close friends (all more liberal than me, who will admit to being slightly left of center) entered into a conversation about the war with an off duty police officer. The conversation went on till close to 4:00 AM. And no time did anyone raise their voice, show disrespect for the other side, or in any way offend each other while expressing well thought about beliefs and how they applied to them. If we can do it so cane veryone in here, it is an embaressment than intelligent, articulate people feel the need to call each other racist, or to f**k off. It doesnt need to be, you can vehemently disgree while still showing a level of respect.

I did have one thing to add though. I believe it was one of the Johns, and Im sorry if referencing you that way offends you, made the metaphor that Canada was in the position of watching their drunk friend start trouble in a bar and deciding whether to back them up. I find that a little skewed. I dont think anyone believes the world, the Middle East, USA and Iraq wont be a better place when Sadaam is gone, that is pretty much a given. The question is whether the US has the right to make these decisions for the World, the Iraq people or the Middle East. SO I'd suggest it isnt a drunk friend, but a self righteous one who thinks they know better than everyone else that Candada had to decide whether they should back.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Aruba for a bit longer.

Subject: Just saying 'hi' from the beach

Sitting here smoking a cuban cigar for Ben Pike. Too much threads going on here to really jump in. No anti-americanism to be found on the island. Just the smell of coconut all, Pina Colada's and beatiful sights. Be good.


Entered at Sat Mar 22 16:46:37 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

woody salvador

Location: Points North

to those who asked levon will be in boston @johnny d's 0n 4/12 with his new band, the last hombres see ya there!


Entered at Sat Mar 22 16:42:05 CET 2003 from cepir1.panafonet.gr (213.249.32.6)

Posted by:

Iraq E-Vote

Web: My link

Subject: E-vote Iraq crisis

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Entered at Sat Mar 22 16:12:33 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Appology

Sorry for the double post...computer glitch

take care and be well


Entered at Sat Mar 22 15:55:53 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: lifegirl

yo lifegirl

i seem to have touched a nerve,,,,, interesting your anger came to the surface when i mentioned the 6 million !!!!

i take great pride in uncovering your hatred & sickness,,, evil serpents like you need to exposed in the light of day !!!

i revel in your hatred,,, it is so obvious what your real problem is,,,

but whatever,,,, it is obvious to all that the problem is yours, the evil is yours the sickness is yours,,,

& my name isnt denon you ignorant racist,,,,,,,

i stand by every word ive written today & always,, G-d Bless America,, & G-d Bless Israel !!!!


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Younger Than Yesterday" (Better Than Ever) & Chris Hillman

Mention of Chris Hillman's early composition for the Byrds, "Have You Seen Her Face?" prompted me to dig out the Columbia Legacy SBM reissue of the "Younger Than Yesterday" CD yesterday, and what a delight that was to hear. The bonus tracks really add a lot--though I have to admit that I skipped David Crosby's "Mind Gardens" in both versions. On the other hand, I still can't believe that they put "Mind Gardens" on the original LP over Crosby's brilliant "Lady Friend." The latter track was available for years only as the "B" side of a single that I tracked down in the 1970s just for that song.

I'd forgotten how Hillman broke out as a writer on that album with the Beatle-flavored "Face" and the finely-crafted "Time Between," a track that foreshadowed the country sound of the later Byrds and one that featured future Byrds' guitar genius Clarence White in his first appearance on one of their recordings. Hillman's "Thoughts and Words" and "The Girl With No Name" have also held up much better with time than the gimmicky space silliness of "C.T.A.-102" and "Mind Gardens" that McGuinn an Crosby respectively brought to the original album.


Entered at Sat Mar 22 15:47:16 CET 2003 from bl-host3.obit.ru (81.3.164.3)

Posted by:

Paxan

Web: My link

Great site! Nice pics! Cool job!


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Weight Performed by Travis

Watched a little flick on Pay Per View last night called Igby Goes Down with Kieran Caulkin. He's the Culkin who can really act. Anyway....the end of the movie comes and I start to hear what sounds like "The Weight." Sure enough it is. Also sounded like the same one I heard on "Everwood" a few weeks back and all along it has been available on this site.

It's the version by Travis and I really liked it. Never heard it in it's entirety. I think one of the best covers of it I've heard in recent times.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Patriotism

Cousin Paul: I would like to appologize for breaking my pledge not to post.

We can support our troops without supporting the decision to send them...We not only have a right but we have a duty to question the decisions of those who lead us...that is why this is the land of the free and dissidents don't disappear like they do in Iraq

I did not agree with the last war, but I sent letters of encouragement and care packages to our troops telling them I hope they stay safe and could come home soon...What we must not do is take our frustrations out on those who have pledged their lives to defend our freedoms (During the Vietnam war I saw a protester spit on a soldier and call him a baby burner...I tore into that protester so badly we were both thrown out of the airport and I missed my plane) or sit on anti-aircraft guns of the enemy like Hanoi Jane(although I have been a liberal since I was old enough to vote I still haven't forgiven her for that one)...if we disagree with our leaders then we have the right to let our leaders know our opinion.

What scares me is a president that flies in the face of world opinion because the first war didn't make his father look good and he is going to finish the job...but just because I think he is misguided doesn't mean I am going to abandon our troops and leave them hanging out to dry half way around the world...without them my right to disagree will never be secure.

That's how I see it anyway...

Take care and be well

Fallen Angel


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Patriotism

You can support your troops without supporting the decisions of your government. We not only have the right we have the duty to question our leaders...that is why this is the land of the free and dissidents do not disappear like they do in Iraq.

What we must not do is take our frustration out on the troops who are there to protect our freedom and follow the orders of their leaders. Nobody should spit on them (which I saw during the Vietnam war and reamed someone out in the airport so badly we were both thrown out and I missed my plane)...neither do we want to sit on an anti-aircraft cannon like Hanoi Jane(I consider myself a liberal but still haven't forgiven her for that).

I did not agree with the last war...but I sent letters and care packages to our troops telling them I hope they will be safe and complete their mission and come home soon...

We have a bad track record when it comes to interfering with other governments...look at Chile, Cuba, Panama, Iran (pre Ayatollah of course)...What scares me is a president who flies in the face of world opinion because he wanted to finish what his father started...I do not support Bush or most of his policies...but I am sure not going to abandon the men who volunteered to guarantee my safety by leaving hanging out to dry half way around the world

That's the way I see it, anyway...

Take care and be well

Fallen Angel

To Cousin Paul: I am sorry I broke my promise to you and will try to refrain from posting anymore...I appologize to you in advance.


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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: I Can't Be Satisfied

Fred - This book on Muddy was a quick and enjoyable read. The writing was not particularly good, and there were some discrepancies from other accounts. Anything by or about Muddy is worth some attention, though I preferred the apparently better researched biography by Sandra Tooze.


Entered at Sat Mar 22 07:00:55 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Has anyone read the book about Muddy Waters ("Can't Be Satsified")? Is it worth buying? Opinions please.

Hank: I downloaded your mp3....I feel compelled to compliment you on your singing. It reminds me of the lead singer of Thin Lizzy...a little bit.


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: The Band broke up The Beatles....not Yoko!

The Band are so North America......one from Rebel South.....and 4 from a place so far North that it didn't matter.....They were NOT Yankees....really....

Being young at The Birth of Rock'n'Roll.......The Hawk....Levon drumming.......Bob Dylan....the only band to REALLY give The Beatles a bit of a slap.......RRs Mohawk ancestry......The Band at The White House in '92...... it's endless......The Band is endlessly fascinating.......their existence can really excite the imagination.....when you see or hear 'em, you instantly think......"how cool is that?".......Think about how cool it STILL is....even if you are a regular here or even worked w/ the fellas in The Band......to hear "The Weight" on the radio these days........

Sorry for the gush, there, folks....but I was wondering why I come here.......I must say it's something to read all the pro and anti war stuff here, too........

I could not watch The New War in Iraq today........but it's seeping out of every electronic media device......

Apparently, they've developed really serious smart bombs......I heard Rumsfeld say that "alot of humanity" went into the building of these weapons.....

I thought: "what a way to describe a weapon".....

These bombs can pick on any room in a building and just destroy the room....leaving the buildings next door intact!......

All The Anti War folks should keep this in mind.......there will come a time when THEY will be the target for these weapons......

Check my link..... All Hail Global America! In all these media reports they keep talking about a "new world order"....I got just the song for it.....and the image.....check it out, folks...lemme know what you think...

I find it impossible to watch The New War.....it's the same I felt during Gulf War 1......It's really hard to take a war seriously when you hear WHAT'S gonna happen and WHERE.....BEFORE it happens......and THEN it happens

Also, there are US and UK media on the ground ....in the capital....I do NOT understand HOW that works.....

It was so OBVIOUSLY about oil THEN.....it's so OBVIOUSLY about oil NOW........It's an insult to the people of New York City to blame Iraq for Sept. 11, 2001 after selling all that "bin Loadin' for bin Laden" merch., y'know?.....if they KNEW Iraq was involved earlier than now then WHY did they wait so long?.......WHY didn't they get Saddam in 1991? It's BEYOND embarrassing to know that The USA and The UK and Europe dealt weaponry with a lunatic like Saddam in the FIRST place.....and convince fine young men and women to risk their lives AND put THEIR HOMELAND in grave danger by NOT being there to DEFEND it and SERVE it...

When you think about it....modern media glare warfare is insulting to the foot soldier....how can you 'fight" with a camera on you......ain't that "acting"?........a spectacle of human sacrifice...........

All these things are planned in advance by the spirits of greed who govern us......after all, it was you and me......

May you be safe from Terrorists and Warmongers wherever you are.........


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Posted by:

KLJ

Just also wanted to note that Mrs Henry was able to disagree with me without ... uhm... getting crazy... for lack of a better term. That's all I'll say about it now. Let's talk music.


Entered at Sat Mar 22 05:51:22 CET 2003 from as6-d138-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.188.138)

Posted by:

KLJ

I don't think I resorted to attacking others in the GB. Oh well. By the way, I don't think Butch's last name is "Denon".


Entered at Sat Mar 22 05:12:52 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

PLEASE

Obviously there are alot of passionate feelings in all of us these days. And obviously this war is an important and unavoidable subject. But - please let's remember to disagree with a level of respect for Jan's website. Even if you have no respect for the person you're posting to, please respect where you are. If you take a breath you'll find that you can tell someone off - and get your point across - without resorting to certain things.

I'm not trying to preach - I just wanted to throw that thought out. Thanks.

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com


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Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: Jupiter Hollow

Subject: Knockin' Lost John on Al Gore

Someone mentioned comic relief here a few days ago, and Knockin' Lost John has provided some with his line, "[Al] Gore simply would not have the character or the back bone to pull this whole thing [the attack on Iraq] off." If Dubya had so much character and Gore lacks it, how come Bush was a hung over absentee member of the Texas Air National Guard while Gore spent six months in Viet Nam as an active duty U.S. Army journalist?

Anyone who saw the footage of Dubya playing with his dog on the White House lawn or getting his hair coiffed on that unintentional live cable feed before his big address after the Iraq attack can see what a puppet of his Dad's Rumsfeld-Cheney-Rove-Powell cartel that Junior is. Right now he's away at Camp David while the Joint Chiefs call the plays. How much "back bone" does that take? An unprovoked attack on a second-rate dictator by the most powerful military in history doesn't grab a lot of points in the "character" column in my book, either.


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Sick People

Butch, Shut the fuck up! You are a major hipocrite, you spout off about 6 million blah blah blah, and then you condone a situation that is fast approaching the Warsaw Ghetto, you are a shameful embarrassment to your race and faith. If you are as Jewish as you claim then maybe you could cut the sick hyperbole yeah?! You are single handedly taking this back to an attitude akin to Nazi Germany with your foul attitude, please explain the difference between your attitude towards Palestinians and that of an SS thug towards your creed, maybe you could enlighten a few people here. You could be using your knowledge and insight(if you had any)and the horrific plight of the Jews during the Holocaust to a some kind of positive end, can you not find any goodness in your black soul?. My Israeli friends would be disgusted if they could hear your words. You are truly shameful with the way you speak, especially seeing as you are hiding behind your pc keyboard like some Sawdust Caeser, you must get a real hardon when you read back what you've posted, I bet you wouldn't be so vocal in a social situation, you'd get your arse kicked. I pity Levon if he has you for a manager, what a shit it must be having a twisted loser like you on the payroll....it can't be doing him any favours. "I speak my mind, bullshit bullshit etc", says you, "I love my flag, blah blah"...exactly which flag are you talking about? The Stars and Stripes? The Star of David? It may as well be the Swastika with your kind of vile bigotry, or is it just an excuse to spout bollocks so as to jerk off your ego. You've learned nothing in your sorry existence. For everybody's sake Butch, including your own, just leave it will ya?! That goes for all you thick skinned brainless morons (John W... also check out Knockin' Lost John's post, don't it give ya faith in humanity?) who can't see any further than the slanted spin that you lap up and regurgitate in this good place.

Ladies And Gentlemen, I give you Butch Denon, the man who gives it to ya straight.....Out of his arsehole.

P.S. Apologies to Jan and everyone else but this needed saying, I am sick of reading this awful and inhumane hyperbole, there's some good souls on here and some people get a twisted kick out of screwing up the good vibes.


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Posted by:

KLJ

Oh yeah....by the way....I coulda swore I heard Jim Weider & the Honky Tonk Gurus on a Dannon commercial???? Anybody know anything about that? I can't tell which tune it is, but it's off of BIG FOOT......did I just imagine it?


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Bulldozers

In 1987 out near Kennewick, Washington I saw a guy run over by a bulldozer (True story). I've come to the conclusion that people from the State of Washington don't know how to act around bulldozers.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

There's a rally against the war tomorrow in Times Square. I don't think it's going to stop it though. It'll only snarl up traffic. I think by now we know that some folks aren't happy about the decision - but it's been made. Now we need to support our troops and hope most come home safe.

- nice post a couple of days ago Crabby (see, I caved).


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: inspiration

Bill, i caught the tale end of "open mike", friday am, and was sorry i didnot catch the entire performance of Danny Brooks and his band. what i saw and heard was pretty good. anyway he went on to discuss his conversion briefly, i think he is very much the real deal, and to acknowledge your buddies, John Finley and Michael Fonfara for their contributions to his Juno nomination/award.

maybe you can help me out. during the summer of 1972, remember the summer of signs, conquistador, cecilia, long cool woman in a black dress and countless other am hits, there was a particular song played by an ontario band that had a soul rock feel to it. i cant remember the bands name or the name of the song, but i saw them play at the pavillion in Sauble Beach, Dominion Day Weekend of 1972. i know you have an encyclopedic mind and perhaps you can post any pertinent info here. thanks in advance


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Posted by:

KLJ

My apologies to Einstein for inverting his quote: it should read "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."

But you can take that statement one of two ways......that was the point......


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Posted by:

Knockin' Lost John

Subject: You can not simultaneously prepare for and prevent war

Although Butch may not like me, I'm on his side on these things. After Iraq falls I think we should move into Israel and force all the Palestinians out.

I don't know who Crabgrass voted for, but I did vote for Bush, and I'm glad I did. I think from Crabby's posts I can gather that he's glad somebody voted for Bush too. Gore simply would not have the character or the backbone to pull this whole thing off.

And no, I am NOT racist against Arabs, but the Palestinians should be our next target cuz that's the next worst bunch for terrorism.

I TOO found it rediculous that so-called peace-lovers in San Francisco were becoming violent....WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!

Take care

JOHN


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Posted by:

Lars Pedersen

Location: Pine Bush, NY

Subject: Loyalty

I know I am going to disappoint some people (people I respect and feel a bond of friendship with) by saying this, but, although I was completely against the war against Iraq, once American troops began fighting, I have to back up my brothers. I think history will call this war a mistake, but right now I have nothing but support for our American troops in the middle of the "shit." I just hope the war ends soon and I hope as few people as possible are hurt.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

John W = nice to see "Amos Moses" mentioned. Great tune that you have to crank up.

Bill = we aren't going after Hussein ONLY because of 9-11. We're at war against terrorism - everywhere.

Dave Hopkins = thanks for that Roger Waters quote. The comments about The Band, and John Lennon's first album were great.

Has anyone heard what happened at the hockey game last night in Montreal against the Islanders? The U.S. National Anthem got booed. Nice.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

John W: Are you asking me to imagine John D in that bar with Bush (not the singer)?

Love ya Butch... and keep stickin' to your guns... even tho I lean more toward Brennan's last exclamation... from my seats the view is maybe not so clear as yours... but hey, I paid for my ticket too...

I am definitely not wishy washy about this... I'm a Lover of the Bayou... the remaster is great!!!

I just know I'm gonna fall asleep tonight with CNN on, and probably have nightmares about flying squirrels... or maybe I will be in that West Side Story knife fight scene... on the wrong side of John W and Butch... damn, I can't even dance... oh well, in my dream Garth will play the soundtrack... and I'll test the speed of that left hand when I turn and run...


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Posted by:

MysteryWoman

Location: Chicago

Subject: Stampeding Cattle

It's a blue time. Pre-apologies for the ramble. I thought I would check out the guest book for some company - had to shut off CNN. The Band's music always lifts my spirits or let's me cry quietly. It has been a backing soundtrack of life. At one time a fan, now, as funds permit, a collector HUGE FAN. The Band can lead you to some very interesting places if you have the curiousity to follow along. I am grateful that I was able to see Rick in Chicago at the "first waltz" charity concert - unfortunately he passed away before the Second Waltz. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the PBS Making a Noise documentary? Enough boring rambling.


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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: I said "Hey Carmen"

Hey- No problem. I just hadn't heard that bit of info and am very curious as to the source of that info. hard tellin not knowin...........


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Posted by:

JumpinJim

Web: My link

Subject: "Lover of the Bayou"

David Powell: I never could figure out all the lyrics either, but check out this link for them.


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Posted by:

Danny Lopez

Location: upstate NY

Subject: mp3file

Does anyone have or know how to get an mp3 file of RR's Between Trains? Thanks.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 23:48:33 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

My favorite single was Jerry Reed's "Amos Moses" - flip side "The Preacher and the Bear". Okay, not the greatest rock and roll of all time, but hey, I was 11 years old. I still get a chuckle thinking about ol' Amos down in the swamp, and that Preacher scrambling up that tree with that bear chasing him!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: spooky sound

Many recordings used to get that "whirling" effect by using a Leslie organ speaker with its rotating horn. Nowadays there are many electronic digital devices that can produce that same effect.

Another great Byrds song with that "Don't Fear The Reaper" sound is "Lover of the Bayou" from "Untitled". I tried learning that song once but gave up because I never could figure out all of the lyrics. When McGuinn & Jacques Levy wrote that song they were trying to get that N'Awlins patois feel in imitation of Dr. John. I think they made up some words but the one's you can understand are awfully spooky and Clarence White's guitar sends shivers up & down the spine.

Here's a fun suggestion -- try listening to "Chest Fever" and "Lover of the Bayou" back-to-back with the volume cranked up. Kids, don't try this at home without adult supervision.


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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: Lemme remembo things a don' know

Sadavid: Nice post, thanks. Spooky is a good category indeed. Besides Reaper, I'll nominate the T Rex song with the lines "You talk about the day, I sing about the night time, when monsters call out the names of men." And for another reason altogether (the truly frightening guitar solo by Bobby Starr), the version of "Diddley Diddley Daddy" recorded by Hawkins and his first group of post-Hawks Hawks.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: A La Recherche Du Temps Perdu

Back in my misspent youth before I lost my precious vinyl, I had "The Notorious Byrd Brothers" and "Untitled" in fairly regular rotation. The former always struck me as one of the most THC-drenched LPs in existence - the effect, I think, of one track or another being run through a phaser at any given moment.

Jukebox tunes - gotta plug CCR's "Green River" again, two minutes and a bit of pure essence de rock 'n' roll, distinguished by the second-greatest "wellll..." ever recorded. Googling reveals that the B side was "Commotion," not a killer so, strictly, a disqualifier - but apparently distinguished by a 32-note guitar solo where all 32 are the same note. Can this be true?

"Don't Fear The Reaper" is a gem - someday I'm going to ask a musician what it is that accounts for the cycling/circular/round-like effect - I find a great similarity with Belinda Carlisle's "Circle in the Sand" - and I find both terrifically spooky (with the edge to "Reaper" by quite a margin). Give me a choice and I'll take spooky over most any other flavor - nominations in this category would be much appreciated.

Sure loved that story about Rick singing "Alison," I bet he would/might have had fun with "Stranger in the House." Working the inverse, when I try to imagine Mr. C covering Band tunes, it only seems to work on the Danko signature tunes - I'd love to hear "Unfaithful Servant" or "It Makes No Difference."


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: leveling my few dry acres

Subject: bulldozers & rivers

Woodlark I agree, one has to understand ...... actually, they're reactions are even mild, amazing ......

a bulldozer and a river ...... are no threats (now), more friendly gestures ...... very modest ...... speaks for them (can learn from it myself)


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Posted by:

Bill

DavidP: Thanks, but I lied - the song was on the Younger Than Yesterday album. Ah - it's coming back, "Have You Seen Her Face". Maybe more a similarity in feel than in structure. Can't hear enough in my mind to say more than feel for sure.


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Posted by:

Kay

Subject: Brian SZ

The rule of thumb is : the reporters are all Dems, the publishers are all Repubs. So the news will slant to the left, the editorials to the right. But personalities, of the politicians and the folks in the newsroom, mix in there too.


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: pa

Subject: rollie

Rollie, this has in fact been around for some time now. At least 1 year. It should also be noted that the James Woolsey was in the Clinton Administration.

Please understand I was only responding to your request for information. Do with the information as you want.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Bill: "OLD JOHN ROBERTSON...he wore a Stetson hat / People laughed at him & talked behind his back"?


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Posted by:

Bill

I don't think that reading a third hand report, even if it isn't downright silly, constitutes seeing evidence.

DavidP: I too think "Don't Fear The Reaper" is a brilliant piece of music - and a piece of music whose structure can be heard in other songs, including "All Along The Watchtower". Since we've been talking about the Byrds, I'll add that there's a fantastic song on their Notorious LP that I thought was just about the same song as "The Reaper". Maybe one that Hillman sang? (I don't have the record anymore.)


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Right Wing Media?

Having worked in the news media, I can say from experience that it is far from right wing.., And besides, I always thought it was left wing. The actuality of it is, is that whoever is in charge is going to be criticized by the media, left or right. It just seems to be slanted one way or the other (generally) because of who is in power. When Reagan and Bush I were in charge, it was always "the liberal media." When Clinton came to power, it became the right wing, conservative media. How little our memory is.., Newspapers tend to have slants - NY Times, liberal. NY Post, conservative. But both papers have their liberal and conservative rants as well. I've worked at MSNBC and I can tell you that 7 out of 10 there are liberal, (my guess, not scientific fact, just based on conversations and such)


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Location: Roger Waters - "Amused To Death", 1992

Subject: Watching TV

We were watching TV In Tiananmen Square Lost my baby there My yellow rose In her bloodstained clothes She was a short order pastry chef In a Dim Sum dive on the Yangtze tideway She had a shiny hair She was a daughter of an engineer Won't you shed a tear For my yellow rose My yellow rose In her bloodstained clothes She had a perfect breasts She had high hopes She had almond eyes She had yellow thighs She was a student of philosophy Won't you grieve with me For my yellow rose Shed a tear For her bloodstained clothes She had shiny hair She had perfect breasts She had almond eyes She had yellow thighs She was a daughter of an engineer

So get out your pistols Get out your stones Get out your knives Cut them to the bone They are the lackeys of the grocer's machine They built the dark satanic mills That manufacture hell on earth They bought the front row seats on Calvary They are irrelevant to me And I grieve for my sister

People of China Do not forget do not forget The children who died for you Long live the Republic Did we do anything after this I've feeling we did We were watching TV Watching TV We were watching TV Watching TV

She wore a white bandanna that said Freedom now She thought the Great Wall of China Would come tumbling down She was a student Her father was an engineer Won't you shed a tear For my yellow rose My yellow rose In her bloodstained clothes Her grandpa fought old Chiang Kai-shek That no-good low-down dirty rat Who used to order his troops To fire on women and children Imagine that imagine that And in the spring of'48 Mao Tse-tung got quite irate And he kicked that old dictator Chiang Out of the state of China Chiang Kai-shek came down in Formosa And they armed the island of Quemoy And the shells were flying across the China Sea And they turned Formosa into a shoe factory Called Taiwan

And she is different from Cro-Magnon man She's different from Anne Boleyn She is different from the Rosenbergs And from the unknown Jew She is different from the unknown Nicaraguan Half superstar half victim She's a victor star conceptually new And she is different from the Dodo And from the Kankabono She is different from the Aztec And from the Cherokee
She's everybody's sister
She's a symbolic of our failure
She's the one in fifty million
Who can help us to be free
Because she died on TV
And I grieve for my sister


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: precise bombing

just a few minutes ago, and rumsfeld is still speaking, did he not implicate himself in the bombing of the twin towers? listen to his speech, especially when he draws your attention to how precise and deliberate the bombs used on iraq are. specific buildings designed to explode in such a way as to only destroy the building in the desired way and to minmise the casualties, as well as the proper timing. sounds rather chilling, and things working mysteriously can sometimes come to light. he was finished speaking but had to interject, on the general. its time to rexamine the whole mess. what does your government really know? get the reporters to ask those dirty questions!


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Posted by:

SteveH

Location: Maryland

Subject: Misheard Lyrics

David Powell's story of the waitress reminded of 2 from my son. I'm a big Richard Thompson fan and play his music a lot. One day I was listening to "Shoot Out the Lights" and the last song is "Wall of Death" with the first line being, "Let me ride on the wall of death, one more time." My son was riding in the back seat and says, "Why is he singing, 'Let me slide on the waterbed, one more time'?"

Another time Richard's song, "I Ain't Going to Drag My Feet No More" turned into "I Ain't Going to Wash My Feet No More."


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Posted by:

Bones

Skip: I can't wait to get a copy of the Moondog Matinee poster. Do you have a picture you can show us? I would like to see what it looks like matted and framed.

Dave Hopkins: Thanks for the Roger Waters interview praising Big Pink. That explains why Levon, Rick and Garth were at The Wall '90 show. Roger obviously is a fan, and invited them to be there.

Mrs. Henry: Natalie Maines did not have to say she was sorry about her remarks. She has the right to speak her mind, and the public has the right to stop buying her records. Obviously, the Dixie Chicks don't won't people to ban their music, so Natalie and her record company quickly tried to put water on that fire.


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: carmen

It's interesting that we hadn't heard this piece of information from any quarter until just the last couple of days. You would have thought that would have come out long ago.Iraqi defectors? On what conditions were they allowed to defect? False info? There a number of in depth investigations that have been going on since 9-11. Strange . Not one of them knew this. I believe in what our flag stands for as well Butch. To bad GW doesn't.Read the Patriot Act lately? Pretty soon were not gonna be able to piss without a written note!


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Posted by:

carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Bill

Bill and anyone else interested in the truth regarding Iraq's involvement in 9/11 should do research on Salman Pak.

He is a sample taken from the web. This story was also covered by 60 minutes and others.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey offered bombshell testimony this week in a lawsuit brought by the families of World Trade Center victims that implicates Saddam Hussein in the 9/11 attacks. The one-time Clinton administration intelligence chief described what he said was a conspiracy between al-Qaeda and Baghdad. As evidence he offered accounts from Iraqi defectors who have described a Boeing 707 jet parked on the ground at the terrorist training camp Salman Pak. The plane, the eyewitnesses insist, was used as a hijacking school prior to 9/11.


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Blue Oyster Cult

DP: I was in an airport once waiting for a plane at the gate and noticed a ragged bunch guys nearby who struck me as a Spinal Tap tribute band. One of them asked for the business section of the USA TODAY I was reading, and we struck up a conversation. It turned out that the ragged group of guys actually were aging hard rockers and their band was called Blue Oyster Cult. I wish I'd had your waitress story to tell them...


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Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: Oxford Town

Subject: Music & Politics

I'm happy to read that one of the right-wingers here hates Osoma bin Laden and Saddam Hussein at least as much as Streisand, Sheen and Sarandon. Rush Limbaugh and his low-brow, dim bulb followers seem to spend a lot of energy gearing up against what they consider the real enemy to them (the evil Hollywood liberals) while ignoring terrorists and tyrants.

I'd also like to know why Dixie Chick Natalie Mains had to apologize for simply saying she was ashamed to admit that the faux cowboy Bush lives in Texas. Charlie Daniels is still calling Clinton names and right wing radio wingbags made millions talking about "Slick Willie" when he was in office. Where was their "respect for the office?"


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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: The Cult of Blue Oyster (no political affiliation)

Richard previously mentioned Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper". That song actually is similar, chord structure-wise, to Dylan's "All Along The Watchtower". A young waitress where I use to play always requested that BOC song by asking for "Don't Spare The Reefer". Kids today...what can you say? Come to think of it -- when I first heard that song, years ago when it was released, that's what I could have sworn they were singing. For the record -- I have no idea of what may have caused that interpretation {:-} Let's just say it was another case of misheard lyrics.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 19:04:42 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

John D. - I know it is a difficult situation for you. It must be like, being out with your best friend (or brother) at a bar. He gets drunk as a skunk and starts up a fight for some really stupid reason. When the fists start to fly, you must decide whether to join in and risk your own safety, or stand back and say hey, he got himself in this trouble, it's not my problem. Are you going to defend your brother -- even though he's wrong -- or watch him get his ass kicked?


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Posted by:

Say whhhaaattt??

Location: Planet Earth

Subject: Adjust the meds please Ben

Regarding the rant below about right wing media...if must be nice living in a world where facts don't matter


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Posted by:

Iron Eagle

Location: Earth

Subject: Shock & Awe

Hey Ben, send me you address so I can send you a ticket back to Mars. You must be smoking some serious crap if you think the right wing doensn't have a voice in the media...they own it. God Bless America, George W. Bush, and the fighting men and women and all the others who are tired of the US getting dumped on by the UN. To all the pinko commie bastards that live in this country, get the @#!@ out!


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: history repeating itself before it happens

will there be a regime change in washington soon? can the same rules be applied to bush and the fellas?(we dont want your loot, just some education, healthcare, level playing field in the pursuit of american dream)

funny thing, i was reading about a iraqi family in my current home town. the man is a retired professor, who immigrated to canada 30 years ago. he was educated in iraq, and mentioned that he had relatives in iraq, who work in the civil service, are going to university there, and are expecting to graduate into careers such as engineering, teaching and medicine. the fact that these aspects are going on in evil iraq, confounds me. how dare they want to go to school in this dictatorship, when the mighty usa led by george"silverspoon" bush, who with the other democratic franchise owners of market usa, have decimated the education system of american patriots, and are trying to turn them into consumobots. all kidding aside, what exactly is this liberation of iraq about? perhaps its the american government that doesnot not like dissent? maybe it is time to check your own freedom!

i will always remember, my american relatives, one who was a career milatarist, the other who did two tours of duty in vietnam, telling me that the america we see on tv is not the real america, what did they mean?


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Of course, Pat, only the very furthest of the neather regions of the left "blame america first". Who we blame first, and never blame enough, are the kind of corperate pimps Bush carries water for, and the slutty and nutty kooks of the republican party; allready handing out contracts to their friends to rebuild the Country they are invading. What is truely amazing about the heroic americans taking to the streets today is that they have no leadership, virtually no voice in clear channel right wing media. There is something decent in the genes of Americans that a thousand racist, ripped off elections can't change. Way to go Chicago! My old stomping grounds, one of the biggest protests.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Thanks John W

I appreciate your straight forward approach. Truly appreciate it. I was recently chastised as you know for saying that our Government should be 100% on side with the U.S. on this for many reasons. Honestly John I think my biggest problem with the Iraq deal was how it suddenly flip flopped from Afghanistan and Bin Laden to Saddam and Iraq. I felt like I missed something there. I didn't see the connection. However it doesn't matter anymore because it's now begun and both my wife and I agree (and I can only speak for us as Canadians & there are many more of us who feel this way) that we should be standing side by side with the U.S. in some capacity.

From a selfish point of view the U.S. is our biggest trading partner (87%) and this stand is going to hurt us in the long run. To bring it down to street level; it's like that old saying I hear people use, "(fill in the blanks); but don't take it personally." Well enough about politics and back to the music for me. 43 eh John? I remember....... :-)


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Posted by:

Bill

Has anyone seen any credible evidence that those responsible for 9/11 are in Iraq?


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Posted by:

After The Waltz

Location: St. Nicholas Zinc Mine
Web: My link

Subject: Band Tree

Got the title wrong..it's called "After The Waltz".


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Posted by:

KR

Subject: anti-war demonstrators

Demonstrating against war shouldn't be a capital crime, but it's not necessarily something to be proud of either. How many of these protesters turn a blind eye to suffering here at home every day? I guess working with the sick and elderly in the US won't get you on TV......


Entered at Fri Mar 21 17:52:18 CET 2003 from ool-43526c46.dyn.optonline.net (67.82.108.70)

Posted by:

After The Last Waltz

Location: HighView Tunnel
Web: My link

Subject: Band Tree

Tree is open. You must register first to sign up...Closes March 31st at midnight. Great 6 cd set....


Entered at Fri Mar 21 17:18:03 CET 2003 from bob26.revealed.net (208.16.227.29)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Byrds for Richard

Richard...I can assist you with The Byrds if you like. The album "Columbia Singles" is still on cd as far as I know. I do have it. I just wish they'd remaster it (along with Never Before) though it still sounds pretty good. The "Preflyte Sessions" 2 disc set is a great place to start, imo. As for the quality of the cd versions of the original albums I can only use one word...marvelous! Sony/Columbia started the remastering campaign late in 1996 and has done practically the entire catalog (except for the 1987 rarities set "Never Before" and "Columbia Singles: 1965-1967"). All of the albums have been remastered, with a plethora of bonus cuts and they do all sound 100 times better. Dr. Byrds and Mr. Hyde benefitted the most from the remastering treatment. It's the way to go if you want the catalog on compact disc, imo. For example...the Untitled album has a 2nd disc cosisting completely on unreleased studio and live outtakes (including a hidden track of "Amazing Grace"). You can't get any better than that. Some of the other albums have hidden tracks as well. If I can assist you in anyway, let me know. Lastly, Columbia did release a box set in 1990 and it's purty darn good. But it's becoming harder to find. I hope that answers your questions :) Sorry all, didn't mean to ramble. Just trying to help someone :)


Entered at Fri Mar 21 17:29:21 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Hi John D., To answer your question I am 43, I was 16 when Vietnam ended so was too young, and today I think I may be a bit too old to enlist. Believe me that's OK with me, for I doubt I could handle the regimentation of military life. In fact had Vietnam lasted a couple more years and I been drafted, I probably would have been headed North of the border. I have never been a gung ho pro-military hawk. I just think there are some differences between the current situation and that era. We used to say, why should we be drafted to fight (in our opinion) an unjust war. We felt that those who felt it was a just cause should have every right to their opinion, and to enlist if they wanted to, but we did not think people should be conscripted to fight against their will if they thought the war unjust. One of the big reasons we felt that war was unjust, was we had not been attacked here at home... Contrast to today, just as back then, everyone has the right to decide if they think the war is unjust. (I'm talking about the war on terrorism, not just the Iraq part of it.) If you think it's not a just cause, nobody is forcing you to enlist. But this time, we WERE attacked on our home turf, and that makes a difference, in my view. I don't know if I can describe the visceral anger that followed the grieving after 9/11. I would not want to join the Army, no, but if you tell me where Osama is and give me a gun I would pay my own airfare to go there and blast him. I can understand the opposition to the Iraq action but I see it as part of the broader war. Maybe every single action taken by the Allies in WWII was not justifiable, but that does not make it an unjust war, overall. Many people seem to see everything in black and white terms. "Peace is good, war is bad." But there are gray areas in this world and sometimes war is neccesary. This war on terrorism is going to take a long time and a lot of sacrifice, but in my opinion we have to do it or else live in fear, which is really no freedom at all. This is not a simple one-country-versus-another-war. We will not all agree that every incursion or action around the globe is justifiable, but I have no doubt the overall cause is just. John, I think you are one of the few who are mature, intelligent and sensitive enough to understand everything is not black and white. Just as you opposed the Iraq action, yet had pangs of regret to discover Canada will stay on the sidelines. So it is I can be a rock and roll loving, hedonistic, anti-militaristic peace-loving New Yorker, yet feel the kind of blinding anger and rage that wants to see the U.S. Marines tear the throats out of those responsible for 9/11. Hope this clarifies things a bit?


Entered at Fri Mar 21 17:27:38 CET 2003 from ool-43526c46.dyn.optonline.net (67.82.108.70)

Posted by:

RV

Location: The Shawangunk Mountains
Web: My link

Subject: Band Tree

Heads Up....Awesome 6 cd set...closes March 31st.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 17:05:38 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: this & that in the realm of music

Thoughts of music seem to be low on my list of priorities today...Earlier in the week I read an article in the newspaper. The Red Cross, USO & other relief organizations are asking for donations to send care packages of personal comfort items to the men & women serving in the U.S. Forces in the Gulf region. Among the suggested items were music CDs. Although at times like these, music may seem superfluous, in reality it's one of those small things that can provide a degree of solace for those longing to be back home with their loved ones.

My Georgia neighbor to the north, Mike C., did answer correctly -- it was John Simon. Pehr gets honorable mention for some good guesses. The "Father & Sons" album, however, was a different Chess release in the same vein, than the Howlin' Wolf London Sessions. "Father & Sons" matched Muddy Waters with young sidemen like Michael Bloomfield & Paul Butterfield. MCA/Universal recently reissued this album on CD.

Richard: a great starting point for the Byrds is the recently reissued & expanded edition of their "Greatist Hits" album. From there, go to the reissued expanded editions of their individual albums. With all the bonus cuts & superior remastering, they're much better than the older box set. These remastered reissues are readily identifiable by the large stickers on their front covers.

On the subject of reissues -- Dave Hopkins mentioned Pink Floyd's classic "Dark Side of the Moon". Next Tuesday (3/25), EMI/Capitol is reissuing DSOTM in a special hybrid version that features high resolution SACD mastering & a multi-channel mix. Like the recent Stones reissues, the disc will also have a redbook CD layer compatible with regular CD players. Pink Floyd sound-guru James Guthrie supervised the mastering from the original analog tapes with assistance from Doug Sax, one of the best remastering engineers in the business. A heavy-vinyl LP edition, cut by the talented Kevin Gray, will be released at a later date.

Next Tuesday's U.S, release date is crowded with other goodies, such as new albums from both Lucinda Williams & Rosanne Cash.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 16:19:14 CET 2003 from (204.60.27.117)

Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Location: Connecticut

Subject: Wolf/Band Link

I think that Mike Carrico has it right. When the Band went to England for the Isle of Wright concert, John Simon went with them, and while he was there played piano on the Howlin' Wolf sessions. I think that he talks about it on one of the interviews on this site.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 16:13:43 CET 2003 from h-69-3-219-219.chcgilgm.covad.net (69.3.219.219)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

So, some people feel a twinge of emotion about a young American idealist who recognized a certain ammount of injustice and brutality in the world, so she makes a stand and gets run over by a bulldozer, and those "bleeding hearts" who feel bad for her get accused of being part of the "Blame America First Crowd." Bullshit. I'm brainwashed? Bullshit. My problem is I empathasize. With Dubya. With the protesters. With our fighting women and men. With the Iraqi civilians. With those Marines that died. With that young girl. Some call it Christianity. Some call it humanism. You don't like it. Tough.

OK, so i don't empathize with Saddam. I have my linits.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 16:05:38 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Richard and Fred: Thanks for that chatter about two places I've never gotten to know - Mongolia and St Catharines.

David P: Glyn Johns?

TTL: I think Fannie's a rhyming pet name for Annie. Like Ted or Ned for Ed, Bob for Rob, Bill for Will. The English seemed to go in for that sort of thing way back when - viz. Cockney rhyming slang.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 15:50:43 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: i wanna be the 1st

HAPPY SPRING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Fri Mar 21 15:28:02 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.20)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: The Byrds/Dignity

The Byrds: Thanks David P and Mike D. for sharing your advice and enthusiasm for the Byrds. I must have missed the fact that David's recommendation of the "Columbia Singles" was vinyl only... I’ve yet to see anybody with a turntable in China and I don‘t think I could count on a record still being round by the time it got here through the mail. ‘The Preflyte Sessions” sounds like an ideal starting point, though. Do either of you know what the quality of the current CD versions of the original albums is like? Is there a better, more efficient way to acquire a Byrds library? A great sounding Box set maybe? Doesn't BOC's "Don't Fear the Reaper" sound like a classic Byrds rip?

Dignity: This imaginary Juke Box plays CD singles too right?..Bob Dylan: "Knockin on Heaven's Door"/"The Times They are A-Changin'"/"John Brown"/"Dignity" (the CD single from the 'Unplugged' album). "Dignity", originally an outtake from an '89 session that finally saw the light of day on Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits Vol 3 in '95, is currently getting the most spins on my laptop personal entertainment center. This song and CD single really sound like the soundtrack to my feelings lately.



Entered at Fri Mar 21 15:23:33 CET 2003 from (65.88.119.161)

Posted by:

Carmen

Location: PA

Subject: Butch's back

I back Butch. She made a choice to put herself in this situation. She was not drafted against her will. Sorry to see the majority of this guest book belongs to the blame America first crowd.

on a lighter note see the news flash below

GOOD NEWS! Canada has offered to help the U.S. in the war on terrorism! They have pledged 2 battleships, 6000 troops and 10 fighter jets.

BAD NEWS. With the current exchange rate that comes out to 2 canoes, a Mountie and a couple of flying squirrels.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 15:03:03 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

butch

Location: reality

Subject: john deere

oh spare me the bleeding heart tripe,,,

look @ her picture,, she had HATE in her soul,like her terrorist friends ,,, go burn their flag,, i LOVE my flag,,,

so the thrust here is its ok to be radical if youre against the war,,or if ya insult our leaders & country,, but if you stand up for our troops , our leaders , or israel,, then ya get piled on by bleeding hearts,,,

i stand for what I believe & you stand for whatever it is youve been brainwashed into believing,, robert byrd ? tom daischele ? ted kennedy,, ??? oh yeah & hillary real leaders,,,HAHAHAHAHAHA

c'mon,, practice what ya preach,, i will always speak my mind,, six million lives are watching me,,, i wont let them down !!!!


Entered at Fri Mar 21 14:25:11 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

KING HARVEST

Location: BOSTON

Subject: LEVON @ JOHNNY D'S

Long Distance Operator, Levon is playing with The Last Hombres April 12th @ Johnny D's , I for one plan to check it out, I have heard them on the radio alot up here and I hear they are better live....see ya there King


Entered at Fri Mar 21 13:55:37 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Just Wondering John W

If the young American girl had been run over by a Palestinian bulldozer, I think that many in this guestbook would be screaming how terrible it was that a young American Girl was murdered. How could they do that to one of ours? I do hope her parents never read this guestbook. Our children often go out and either hurt or disappoint us; but I don't think there needs to be a cheering section for her death. I find that very sad indeed.

It sounds John W ( and I don't want to put words in your mouth) that you would have been happy in 1968 if thousands of American students would have been murdered on American soil for there anti-Vietnam feelings. Kent State might not have been enough for some in here. No wonder there was a Civil War; when you cheer when your own dies such a terrible death. She was young and perhaps clouded in her vision of what was right. That's not for me to say. She does not deserve the comments made in here. I alway think this way......"What if it were my daughter?"

I know I have asked this before John W and you never answer; but I would be interested in your age. I'm surprised your still here actually, I thought you would have enlisted by now. As Chris Rock said the other day and I quote, "The problem with America is that we haven't really had a war on this soil since the Civil War. Perhaps if there was more war on our soil, people wouldn't be so excited to be part of one.? His comments, not mine.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 12:22:34 CET 2003 from du-13-251.ppp.telenordia.se (62.127.13.251)

Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Let Me Die In My Footsteps

In the past few days BAYOU SAM wanted to dump me in the East River and BUTCH wanted to drive over me with a bulldozer. It is understandable to react very strongly when you are a citizen of a country in war.

Things are (more than) OK with Bayou Sam and now I want Butch to join me in "Let Me Die In My Footsteps" by Bob Dylan. Hope we can do it together. Here we go:

"There's been rumours of war and wars that have been
The meaning of life has been lost in the wind
And some people thinking that the end is close by
Instead of learning to live they are learning to die.
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground."


Entered at Fri Mar 21 09:31:10 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

So again...what kind of garbage do ya have to post to get booted from this site, again the perceived important in here say what they want.....joking about wanting to drive that bulldozer is not a joke,,,it's sick...


Entered at Fri Mar 21 08:13:25 CET 2003 from ali-gharib.bc.edu (136.167.205.48)

Posted by:

ThreeTimeLoser

Location: Wash, DC/ Boston

Subject: What else...the Band

Just a question. I fell inlove with the Band when I first heard the Weight. That was freshman year of college. now I am a senior and there is still one thing I always disagree with people on. I have ALWAYS heard it as "take a load off, annie" as in being short for Anna Lee. The reference later to Miss Fanny kind of blows my idea out of the water, but has anyone else ever heard this? Could be that Freshman year when i first heard the song I was smitten with a gal named annie. Just wondering.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 07:00:04 CET 2003 from 05-020.011.popsite.net (66.19.129.20)

Posted by:

Mike Carrico

DP - John Simon on piano?


Entered at Fri Mar 21 05:33:51 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-020castocp0216.dialsprint.net (65.178.72.216)

Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Butch

Butch , that's really sad man.... about all you can accuse that young girl of is being naive. Did she deserve to be run over by a bulldozer for a youthful mistake? Did you ever overstep some boundaries as a kid? I think you're gonna regret that comment.If only you or I were half that courageous.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 04:45:22 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

John W: I guess I just didn't view the tank girl as a legitimate terrorist even if she was trying... too white bread... and when I feel a strong vibe from others that maybe suggests something like "she got what she deserved", well that doesn't quite sit right with me either... kinda like a while back some Mpls cops beat the hell out of a drunk indian and stuffed him in the trunk of their car... I guess if you dig in real hard to your position you might say, well they did it by the book... but, hey, where's the compassion... and shouldn't there be some even for our enemies? Or are we not confident enough in our own opinions that we can allow any show of compassion?

Anyway, I think Cahoots is a good CD for the current times... Where do we go from here? I think I'll go pick up that Wolf London CD...


Entered at Fri Mar 21 04:02:37 CET 2003 from m198214176085.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.85)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Band connection?

David Powell: lemme see. I dont have the rekkid and havent for some time, but I'll guess a bit... EC himself of course is band connection #1 who recorded "No Reason to Cry" at Shangri-La with the Band and Bob Dylan,as well as guest starring at TLW.

Isn't Ronnie Wood on the London sessions as well? (Same records) thats too easy...

IF- my mem'ry- serves me waaall... The record was originally called "Fathers and Sons" and had Mike Bloomfield on the other side, who recorded "So Many Roads" wif da boys, (tho' on piano) Duck Dunn was on Bass, (RCO, that 'count?) Butter is playin killer harp on dat side as well; still too easy...

Ok, try this one. Howlin Wolf learned harmonica from Sonny Boy Williamson II, (Alec Rice Miller") whom you could say would have made some of his greatest work with our fellas if he'd held out just a bit... a reach.

Ok... Uncle! I give. David I am clearly out of your league in this dept., but your recent quizzes are appreciated by me under these recent circumstances. I have felt a similar numbing, rumbling depression to what I felt on 9/11 and appreciate the relief, however brief. thanks.



Entered at Fri Mar 21 03:57:17 CET 2003 from (65.125.142.185)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Levon, Kris, and Steven Seagal

I was watching some non-war TV and caught part of the movie Levon did (can't recall the title) where he plays a preacher and Kris Kristofferson, another very cool musician/actor, plays a villainous businessman. A treat to see and hear Levon, always enjoyed him in the movies he did (and knowing something about him most folks in the audience didn't), but of course no treat to see what happens to his character!

In real life, Kristofferson is no villain, of course...like Steven VanZandt, Jackson Browne and others, always willing to lend his talent and commitment to progressive and peaceful causes...

and he's doing the right thing again, signing his name as a veteran of the U.S. Army to a letter to the President opposing this war.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 02:34:44 CET 2003 from dialup-67.25.134.112.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.25.134.112)

Posted by:

GSPN

Subject: JIM WEIDER BAND

The Jim Weider Band,,Bottom Line,,Fri. nite,,eh!! Gonna be a GREAT show! Hope to see some of the Road Warriors there.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 02:32:46 CET 2003 from as3-1-139.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.194.61)

Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: Music From Big Pink Floyd?

From a Roger Waters interview on rollingstone.com in commemoration of the 30th anniversary of Dark Side of the Moon:

Q: You've said in the past that your direct style of lyric-writing on Dark Side of the Moon was influenced by 1970's John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band album.

Waters: I just think that's one of the truly great moments in the history of rock & roll, or of the history of any writing. It's a remarkable piece of work. Who knows? He might have found his way back to making something of similar power had he lived. It's so raw. There are a number of records that, when one's young, knock you into a different place and give you the will to go on trying to do something. That record is one of them. Another one was the Band's first album. That completely changed everything about records for me. Pet Sounds and Sgt. Pepper, too.



Entered at Fri Mar 21 02:00:27 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Not Band Related

I just want to post "My link" again to Country Joe McDonalds discussion board for non-Band related stuff.

Have a nice weekend Y'all ...



Entered at Fri Mar 21 01:36:42 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

David W.

Subject: The Band

Thank god for recorded music. Without it we would not have such wonderful tunes to listen to from such a talented bunch of musical giants. The Band is the greatest underrated band of all time. God bless them. I love all those wonderful songs.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 00:56:31 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Pat - Huh? I'm not sure what you're getting at with that one. Dubya, like me and hopefully a lot of other people, supports a Palestinian state that would coexist peacefully with Israel... Unlike Bin Laden and other extremists who would rather see Israel and the U.S. wiped out of existence... I don't think the Palestinians want a state if it means having to coexist with Israel. I think they want their state to REPLACE Israel on the same land... I wonder if Rachel Corrie thought Israel has a right to be there?


Entered at Fri Mar 21 00:44:54 CET 2003 from ns.hpedsb.on.ca (209.226.83.2)

Posted by:

Clay

Subject: Wish you were here tonight

A question for the people here....I downloaded "Wish you were here tonight" from this site, great tune, love the harmonies. Who wrote that tune and what album is it on... etc... Thanks very much.


Entered at Fri Mar 21 00:02:34 CET 2003 from h-68-164-15-218.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.15.218)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

John W., thanks for the clarification. Of course, since Dubya has stated clearly that he supports a Palestinian state, would he be on bin Laden's guest list too?


Entered at Thu Mar 20 23:43:52 CET 2003 from m4407wcr.ftmeade.army.mil (150.177.81.2)

Posted by:

Nick

I'd love to hear more about the "legendary" Danko show at the Roxy in '78 when the rest of "The Band" sat in. Anyone? Thanks


Entered at Thu Mar 20 23:06:17 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Dave Z., agreed the Rachel Corrie story is a sad one, but I'm sorry to say, if she is as innocent as Elizabeth Smart, then Butch is the Queen of England. She abandoned her homeland; went to Gaza and burned the American flag; helped inflame anti-American, anti-Zionist protests, which could only delight the likes of Bin Ladin; tried to stand in the way of the Israeli Army; and threw herself in front of a bulldozer. The Guardian today ran her last E-mail, in which she stated her plans to learn Arabic and her reluctance to visit family in France because she would feel too "class-conscious" around the affluence. And let me say as CLEARLY as possible (for Pat Brennan and Mrs. Henry), while NONE of the above is a CRIME nor is it punishable by DEATH, it certainly creates a much different picture than that offered by the media: "Innocent Girl Murdered By Brutal Soldiers For Nothing Other Than Having A Dissenting Opinion." That's not the whole story. This woman, whether naiive or not, was actively helping the cause of Bin Ladin and the terrorists who committed 9/11 and which her country had declared war upon. To make her out to be some innocent little victim is like comparing John Walker Lindh to Beaver Cleaver.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 23:01:16 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Howlin' Wolf

Dave Z.: I've been eyeing that London Sessions reissue too, mainly to get the bonus cuts. Still have my old vinyl copy. The classic cut is "Little Red Rooster", after some false starts the Wolf has to grab a guitar to show Slowhand how to lay back & get the timing right. With all the British all-stars onboard you still can't overlook the great Hubert Sumlin's contributions. By the way -- there is a Band connection with this album. Who can be first to tell us what it is?


Entered at Thu Mar 20 21:34:16 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John Donabie

Subject: Skip Rooney

Thank you Skip!! I know many of us would love to have a mint quality print of the "Moondog Matinee" print. I look forward to receiving mine. I'll definetly go for the High End Print.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 21:32:15 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Late as usual but anyway... Peter V: In addition to reading the emails from the tank girl... I saw clips of her on the news... and she comes off as a little girl that any parent would be proud to have as their own... so passionate and confident in her speaking... regardless of whether you agree with her views... and in a wierd way, similar looking to the kidnapped girl who was recently returned to her family... so sad...

Has anybody picked up the Howlin' Wolf in London Re-issue? I'm eyeing it up... supposedly Clapton didn't like it but...


Entered at Thu Mar 20 20:39:55 CET 2003 from pcp02729461pcs.danbry01.ct.comcast.net (68.63.147.167)

Posted by:

Skip Rooney

Location: Ct
Web: My link

Subject: Moondog Matinee Artwork

The Moondog Matinee Artprint is ready for sale. Thanks to John Donabie of Toronto who put a fire under my butt to get it done. Its finished and it looks better than the original unfolded piece.

Its professionally printed on High Resolution 80lb stock paper with color retention of around 25+ years [ 40+ with UV Glass]

Dimensions - 11"x17" with 1" white border surrounding image - $45.00 US Dollars

Matted size - 15"x21" Double Archival Matting [ Ready to Frame]/ $70.00 US Dollars

Framed Size - 18"x 24" Mahogany or Walnut finish Hardwood Moulding with Double Archival Matting as above with paper backing and hardware and glass - $135.00 US Dollars

We ship worldwide [ outside North America just the print is best for shipping ]

There will also be a larger High End Print available. It will be a Giclee [Iris]Print /[Printed upon Request]

Dimentions - 16"x24" with 2" white border around image - $125.00 Unframed [ Framed size 23"x30"]

You can order by e-mail or call 800 283 3344


Entered at Thu Mar 20 20:30:09 CET 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Some of my favorite versions of artists playing Band songs were never officially released. I have great versions of Elvis Costello singing "Stage Fright", Black Crows' singing "Jemima Surrender" and Sheryl Crow/Wallflowers singing "The Weight".


Entered at Thu Mar 20 20:28:31 CET 2003 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (66.31.105.135)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Levon in Massachusetts?

Hey Butch, my buddy just told me that Levon will be playing Johnny D's in Somerville, MA on April 12. Is this true? I didn't see it listed on this site. If Levon's there, believe me I'll round up a big, fat posse for the show!


Entered at Thu Mar 20 19:38:14 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: bulldozers & woodlarks

This is a human shield against the war propaganda from Crabgrass. Woodlark

can i drive the bulldozer, please,,,,?????????


Entered at Thu Mar 20 19:23:45 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: cd copy protection

John D.: Afraid of the resulting controversy & threats of boycott, both the recording labels & the companies that make copy protection technology are being very tight-lipped regarding which CDs have copy protection & in what markets they have been released. The big problem of course is that, in order to guard against the possibility of copying, the technology implements restrictions that hamper even normal use in certain CD drives. Then again, there's the problem concerning CD copy-burners. Under previous fair-use provisions, a computer isn't a protected home recording device since it's primarily used for other functions.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 19:04:57 CET 2003 from 182.ppp139.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.139.182)

Posted by:

A Human Shield

Location: Woodlark's nest
Web: My link

Subject: War propaganda

This is a human shield against the war propaganda from Crabgrass.
Woodlark


Entered at Thu Mar 20 18:32:03 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

John D: Home taping is still legal in both Canada and the US. I would expect to see a big legal battle (waged in US courts) over whether or not record companies have the right to stop people from exercising their legal rights to tape for their own use.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 18:28:33 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

John W: It seems to me that the likelihood that France is mainly interested in the oil is equivalent to the likelihood that the US is mainly interested in the oil.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 18:25:12 CET 2003 from pool-141-150-90-44.mad.east.verizon.net (141.150.90.44)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: And on Guitar...

I didn’t realize until I read Butch’s recent post that Charlie Sexton had already left Dylan’s band. Or that Billy Burnette was currently filling the slot. I’ve heard a name that shows up in the GB on occasion, Dave Alvin, mentioned as one, possibly more ‘permanent,’ replacement.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 17:40:10 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Capitol Records U.S.A.

I posted this a couple of weeks back and no one responded.

I would really like an answer from American buyers and anyone else around the world as well; but especially American

Are your NEW Capitol CD's COPY GUARDED SO THEY WILL NOT PLAY IN YOUR COMPUTER UNLESS YOU DOWNLOAD SPECIAL FILES FROM MICROSOFT?

In Canada all NEW, not catalog yet, CD's are Copy Guarded. Therefore you can't make an mp3 etc. for backup or for a road tape. This is to protect themselves from people making copies and giving or selling them to your friends.

The interesting thing is that in Canada, taping of product is NOT YET ILLEGAL! A friend at Billboard Magazine has told me that many young people are boycotting Capitol Product because of the Copy Guard.

I hope someone will respnd to me on this one. You can't miss the big COPY GUARD sign on front of the CD in the left hand corner. I understand Ben Harper was furious when it was put on his newest CD instead of the shrink wrap. Ruined a beautiful painting on the cover.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 17:24:25 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: vinyl siding

Actually, Sundazed has released several great Byrds compilations in addition to "The Columbia Singles '65-'67" that I mentioned yesterday. The one Mike D. cited is the "Preflyte Sessions", containing 40 songs recorded at World Pacific Studios in '64-'65, predating their Columbia recordings. This one is also available on a CD set.

Also worth checking out are the latest additions of Sundazed's Byrds "Sanctuary" LP series containing out-takes, alternate takes, rehearsals and rarities. "Sanctuary III" focuses on the "Ballad of Easy Rider" and "Untitled" sessions. It contains a longer, alternate version of "The Ballad of Easy Rider" which restores Clarence White's exquisite string-bender solo in its glory. "Sanctuary IV" covers the Nashville studio sessions for "Sweetheart of the Rodeo" with all of Gram Parsons' vocals intact.

Sundazed has also reissued one of my all-time favorite LPs, Otis Redding "Live In Europe" from 1967. While I was in the store picking up a copy of this last weekend I also scored a used LP copy of John Hammond's 1966 album, "I Can Tell", featuring Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko & Bill Wyman.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 17:19:38 CET 2003 from h-68-164-11-157.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.11.157)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Paul, email me: pjlbrennan@mindspring.com


Entered at Thu Mar 20 17:09:55 CET 2003 from ppp494.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.178)

Posted by:

Paul 'Shine On' Godfrey

Location: The Promised Land!
Web: My link

Subject: I come Begging.....again

Yep...still trying to get a cheat version of 'Crazy Mama'

I know...I tried the tab thing..but this old country boy just can't find a way thru it. I have the words so I could fax it to you and have the simple Chords added or email it etc.

Your help is much appreciated. Might even find an old Levon and the Cates cassette I could send you. Its not great quality but original. Please help me. I just got all the strings back on my Gibson G45 12 and am anxious to strum along.

Shineonpaulg

pray for peace Any musicians that could help me?


Entered at Thu Mar 20 16:34:35 CET 2003 from sid4.revealed.net (208.23.178.147)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Richard/Byrds reissue on Sundazed

Richard, that reissue on the Sundazed label is worth the purchase. It combines the "Preflyte" and "In The Beginning" releases from several years ago, plus many more bonus tracks. A 2 disc set of demos essentially. And I've never heard demos sound that far developed. You'll be glad you purchased the set. Lastly, the remastering job is top-notch.

By the way, the Byrds 45 "Change is Now/Goin' Back" is one of my faves. I should note that the b-side "Goin' Back" is different from the LP version on "The Notorious Byrd Brothers", making it all the more interesting.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 16:30:55 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6ea3120-cm014260040104.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (65.48.85.247)

Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: say no

lets hope that no BAND music is for sale in the newly liberated iraq. i dont want my beloved music associated with stupidity, let them have charlie daniels instead. to me the BANDS music is a dedication to a higher path to excellence, similar to the arabs conribution to thought, direction, science and mathematics. if it wasn't for the arab world, the bush ancestors would never have made it to america. i think sadaam would probably enjoy the entire band collection, some apple pie, and think the american common folk are not that bad. he probably is thinking how an american hellth care executive can make a salary of $85 million for the year 2002, while 100 million usa ciizens, have minimal or NO hellth care.

the american government is clearly aware of threat to its people, its called logic and its comming.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 16:29:12 CET 2003 from sid4.revealed.net (208.23.178.147)

Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: The Byrds

Having been gone for a few weeks (those newborns are a handful and I wouldn't change a thing) I return to find the music discussion rather intensive, despite our country going to war. Perhaps I should come around a little more often again. I especially enjoy seeing discussion of The Byrds. I never relaized that so many people here appreciate their music. I thought I was one of only a few. I gotta stop missing out. Bayou Sam, how's that list coming? :) You still up for a trade?


Entered at Thu Mar 20 16:20:46 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Rollie - "Some are out marching in the streets - exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to publicly display their ignorance. Don't believe they're ignorant? Go ask them why France was so adamantly against this war. See if any one of them knows about France's lucrative oil deals with Saddam. These sheep can merely bleat the rhetoric spouted by their celebrity shepherds. Who aren't too bright themselves.

The simple truth, as the President said, is that 'the people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.' That is why it has come to war.

The finger-waggers warn that America will pay the price for this war. Probably. But it will be a clearance-sale price compared to the consequences of not acting."

- NY Daily News editorial.

Saw the Crowmatix 2 Fridays ago at the Bottom Line. I chatted for a while with Professor Louie, I had a question for him about the song "Don't Wait", which first appeared on "Jubilation" (and actually credits Levon as the author!). The Crowmatix do this song on "Flying High" and always in their shows, but with a small change in the lyrics. On "Jubilation", Levon sings about meeting Charlie Hawker, and when he "turns to go", he says "in that face lied all the things I'll ever know". But Louie sings "all the things I'll NEVER know". Also, Levon sang "with a heavy heart I walked into the night", but Louie sings "with a READY heart I walked into the night". Just two words different, but it really changes the song! Louie said the song was originally written the way the Crowmatix perform it, and Levon just changed it for some reason when they recorded it for "Jubilation". (By the way, Louie tells me he does NOT read the Guestbook!)

Jim Weider Band tomorrow night in NYC!


Entered at Thu Mar 20 15:57:11 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Thanks to Witt for the Byrds info. "Change Is Now" / "Going Back" was my first - and for many years my only - Byrds record. It cost me 15 cents at the Crippled Civilians thrift shop (mercifully, they're now called Goodwill) at the Ajax plaza in '70. I even considered nominating it for our GB Jukebox. Speaking of which, to my list yesterday I'd like to add "Fat Bird" / "We're Gonna Make It" by the Collectors.

Thinking of Band links to those nominations, the Hawks have been caught on tape doing "You Can't Sit Down" (Dovells). I'd be shocked if they didn't do "Shout And Shimmy" (James Brown) at some point as well. Eugene Smith ("Freight Train" / "Piece Of Wood") used to sing on stage with them. Painted Ship ("Frustration" / "Little White Lies") were Canadian. CCR and Knight Brothers - dunno?


Entered at Thu Mar 20 14:13:25 CET 2003 from dialup-0570.dublin.iol.ie (193.203.146.58)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Everywhere I Go, I Can't Believe.......

As Crabby sez: Back to the music!

I'd like to invite you all to check out my link.......

There's a free Mp3 of my band, Open Kitchen, to listen to.......

Those of you interested in Native American culture and history will have something to see and enjoy as well....

You've only got two more Sundays to get to Cork to catch the residency I was telling you about...where we do lotsa Band songs........Don't let a li'l ole' Global conflict stop ya!


Entered at Thu Mar 20 12:54:57 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Ich: What's wrong? Feeling left out?


Entered at Thu Mar 20 12:43:32 CET 2003 from h66-59-176-142.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.142)

Posted by:

Ich

FRED and RICHARD, why don't you two turkeys use Email ?


Entered at Thu Mar 20 10:29:22 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Geneva & Linwell

Richard: Yes, I know that area well (not Mongolia, St.Catharines that is) I lived in the Garden City during the 1970s and returned in the '80s to go to Brock. I used to live on Niagara street (in the '70s) and while at Brock I moved around a bit, mostly living downtown.

Japan? I' ve been here since 1988 and I guess you could call it home....for the time being. Get to see a lot of TV shows about Mongolia (on Japanese TV) and seems like an interesting place (however it is not on the top of the list of places my wife wants to visit..). Good luck with the teaching!


Entered at Thu Mar 20 10:11:21 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.139)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Fred

Fred: When I'm at home in St Catharines I live near the corner of Geneva and Linwell in the North End. Do you know the area? Right now, I'm in Inner Mongolia teaching. A city on the Russian border called Manzhouli.(Which explains why you and I seem to post while everyone else is asleep:-) I'm in the seventh month of a one year contract. I love it. Manzhouli is a really nice, clean, European looking city. It's what they call an inland port. It's the largest center for trade between China and Russia/Europe. It's insane with restaurants here. Mongolian, Russian, Chinese, Korean... There is no end to the variety of food. Poor me.

I still post as Richard from St Catharines because that is indeed where I'm from and that's the way I've posted in here for over 5 years. (Time flies). I'm still kicking around how long I want to stay in Asia. How's Japan? Does it feel like "home"?



Entered at Thu Mar 20 08:38:40 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Richard: interesting Juke box choices. By the way, whereabout in St. Catharines do you live? (if it isn't classified information)


Entered at Thu Mar 20 07:55:10 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.146)

Posted by:

Richard

Subject: One more for the Jukebox...

Oh yeah, Blue Oyster Cult: "Don't Fear the Reaper"/"Career of Evil".


Entered at Thu Mar 20 07:01:36 CET 2003 from nas1-billings-98.theglobalroad.com (65.121.127.98)

Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: You Know

Subject: Aren't We Going to Talk About the Elephant in The Room

Day 1 USA attacks Iraq

Day 2 Iraq retaliates with NBC over entire Middle East

Day 3 North Korea overwhelms South Korea

Day 4 China takes Taiwan

Day 5 India destroys Pakistan

Day 6 Random nuclear flashes wordwide

Day 7 There is no Day 7


Entered at Thu Mar 20 06:42:02 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.77)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Music

The Byrds: Thanks for the info, Witt. Always loved the Byrds... And thanks DP for the tip on the Sun Dazed re-issue. Sounds like a good score.

John mentioned "32-20 Blues" by Robert Johnson, anybody remember the Flamin' Groovies? They did the definitive version of that tune on their LP 'Teenage Head'(LP title later appropriated by another Canadian band).

Theodore Sturgeon makes the GB! About time.

Jukebox Music: T-Rex: Get It On (Bang a Gong), the Hollies: Long Cool Woman, Norman Greenbaum: Spirit in the Sky, the Kinks: Jukebox Music, The Stones: Tumbling Dice/Happy, Brown Sugar/Bitch, Led Zeppelin: Immigrant Song/Hey Hey What Can I Do?, to name a few...

Cousin Paul: Rick Danko singing "My Aim is True". To hear that would have been the ultimate. I cannot think of a better Elvis tune for Rick, it's wordy and melodic and complex. A perfect match for the "stampeding cattle" man.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 04:57:09 CET 2003 from (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Jukebox Singles & Comic Relief

Peter's thread about great jukebox singles mixed with the talk about the Byrds here reminds me of the family trip from my childhood when every stop along Route 66 saw me begging for change to play their "Mr. Tambourine Man." Those early singles by the Byrds would all be on a jukebox if I owned one, though the album "Turn Turn Turn" remains on my all-time top ten list.

The grammar post here earlier was one of the all-time funny ones and I laughed so hard that I thought my surgical incisions from last week were going to make me feel real "side-splitting" laughter. With bombs flying in Iraq, we need all the comic relief we can get right now. Click the link above for a bit more, with the true tale of Monica Lewinsky's new job with Fox TV (don't THEY deserve each other?), hosting a "reality" dating show. YIKES!


Entered at Thu Mar 20 04:53:53 CET 2003 from 64-121-50-213.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com (64.121.50.213)

Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: The Right Reverand Al !

I told Y'all to head on over to Country Joe's place. It's gettin lively there ...

Al for Prezz



Entered at Thu Mar 20 03:53:16 CET 2003 from 1cust90.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.90)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Human Shield Openings!!

Good news for ultra-Liberals!! I just heard on the news that there are a few more openings for "human sheilds" in Baghdad and that survivors will be offered full Iraqi citizenship once Saddam wins the war!

Better hurry though - I hear that the planes departing for Iraq are getting filled up pretty quickly.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 03:00:10 CET 2003 from 1cust217.tnt17.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.25.125.217)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: "Nucular"

I didn't vote for Bush btw - but I guess all you die-hard ultra-Liberals will be happy when Rev. Al Sharpton is elected President.

Jimmy Carter, as I recall also mispronounced nuclear as "nucular" despite his experience as a nuclear engineer or naval officer in charge of a nuclear submarine or something of that nature - not really worth my time researching right now. I voted for Carter btw though I'm glad he's not President now. How come with his Nobel Peace Prize he didn't bother trying to convince Saddam to comply with the UN resolution? They should take it away.

Okay, now back to the music again!!


Entered at Thu Mar 20 01:13:53 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

It's unbelievable = it's like two guestbooks running simultaneously.

Witt = how'ya doin' man. Thanks for Byrds 101 - very interesting.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 00:49:14 CET 2003 from h66-59-176-169.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.169)

Posted by:

Me again

I thought so. I just found out that Bush was overheard saying : " Let's aks Rumsfeld if we still got the receipts for all the ammo we gave Irak during the Iran thing."


Entered at Thu Mar 20 00:45:17 CET 2003 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl (212.120.101.7)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: eve of war

a prayer for all who will suffer ...... a prayer for a Freedom that can take away the pain ......


Entered at Thu Mar 20 00:38:33 CET 2003 from h66-59-176-169.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.169)

Posted by:

Moi. Yo. Ich. Me. Ya. Doesn't matter.

Subject: Grammar

I noticed that Bush cannot properly say the word NUCLEAR. It kept coming out NUCULAR as everyone could notice during his ultimatum speech. I understand that he's a Harvard or Yale graduate. I wonder what he does with the word "ask" ?

Although English is a third language for me, let me take this opportunity to give you GB maniacs a few writing tips so as to improve your delivery.

1. Avoid alliteration. Always.

2. Never use a long word when a diminutive one will do.

3. The adverb always follows the verb.

4. Don't use ampersands & abbreviations, etc.

5. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are unnecessary.

6. Remember to never split an infinitive.

7. Contractions aren't necessary.

8. Foreign words and phrases are not a propos.

9. One should never generalize.

10. Be more or less specific.

11. One-word sentences? Eliminate.

12. Who needs rhetorical questions?

13. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

14. Don't ever use a double negative.

15. A writer must not shift your point of view.

16. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.

17. Avoid cliches like the plague...they're old hat.

18. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.

19. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.

20. Remember "your" is a possessive pronoun. "You're" is a contraction of the second person of the verb TO BE. Example: Jeff your full of s**t is wrong. But Jeff you're an asshole is correct.

21. Don't overuse exclamation, question or punctuation marks!!!!,,,,,....;;;Right butch??

Any errors or omissions are welcome.


Entered at Thu Mar 20 00:37:28 CET 2003 from sdn-ap-024castocp0334.dialsprint.net (65.178.113.80)

Posted by:

rollie

Subject: JW ,Crabby

JW ,what a fool! Bush won't be anywhere near that battlefield when the shit hits the fan.But there will be plenty of dead and maimed elderly folks in Baghdad,thanks to you and Crabby........you voted for that pathetic excuse of a human being


Entered at Thu Mar 20 00:20:40 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

butch

Subject: bob's band

HEY LEE LEE ya missed something,,,

Charley Sexton is NO LONGER playing in Dylans band,,,,

he is home in Austin, producing other projects,,,

Billy Burnette WAS the guitar player this last leg ( new zealand & australia ) but "i have the feeling" he wont be on the next leg,,,,

take this to the bank,,,,,,,,,,


Entered at Thu Mar 20 00:14:47 CET 2003 from 1cust95.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.95)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: "Bush's War"

If there is any "needless slaughter" it will be due to the fact that Saddam Hussein has refused to comply with the UN resolution that demanded he disclose and destroy his arsenal of super dangerous weapons which are a great threat to the entire population of the planet since they will undoubtedly fall into the hands of terrorists.

Those of you non-clear thinking people who are opposed to the US "starting a war against Iraq" fail to realize that we have been at war since 9/ll when Osama bin Laden and his fanatical cohorts started it by attacking NYC and killing nearly 3,000 innocent people. The socalled impending "War Against Iraq" (or as you ultra-leftists like to refer to it - "Bush's War" or "The War Against The Iraqi People") is plainly related to the larger picture of the real threat of ruthless international terrorism - folks with whom negotiation is not an option. Yes, you could say that 9\11 didn't just happen in a vacuum - I guess you could trace it all the way back to the future religious conflicts stemming from the man who penned the line "In the beginning..." but I think that kind of "chicken and egg" reasoning is irrelevant to the practical handling of the current situation.

As for oil - we all use it and will have to continue using it until alternate means of providing the power a modern society needs becomes feasable. Without western technology the Arab world would never have even known what lies beneath their arid lands and without western technology they wouldn't have had any way to get it to the surface. Their most abundant natural resource would be sand - not a very valuable commodity on the world market. Surely, the Arab monarchies have been just as greedy as the Texas oil billionaires and their related business partners - but that's human nature which will never change.

As I write this Saddam Hussein still has a few more hours to pack his bags and save the Iraqi people from suffering the scourge of war. If anyone wants war - it's him.

And now... back to the music!!


Entered at Thu Mar 20 00:11:48 CET 2003 from miintg5.ameritech.com (144.160.5.21)

Posted by:

LeeLee382

Location: Chicago

Subject: Thank You & Carny

A special Thank you to Tim for the heads-up on the SNL rerun. I have been wanting to see this again./n Question: Why hasn't Carny been released on CD?/n Tip: If you have the chance to see Dylan - do it while Charlie Sexton is his guitar player - either Bob was in a great mood when he played Chicago or this tour is GREAT./n For the carny fans: Good Luck with Your Massage Parlor!


Entered at Thu Mar 20 00:04:28 CET 2003 from h-68-164-7-245.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.7.245)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Charlie, I got #326 so it seems to be moving fast.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 23:22:36 CET 2003 from (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Eyes on the Prize & TLW Vinyl Ltd. Ed.

DP: I didn't even know there was a prize involved! I'll be e-mailing you momentarily.

Bones: I got copy number 1,001 of the 1,500 TLW vinyl limited edition. I wonder if they shipped low or high numbers first. I was pleased with the package as well, though I haven't put it on my antique (circa 1979) Canadian turntable to play it yet. Now I have autographs of all five guys, though Robbie's was the only one I had to get in an impersonal and expensive manner...


Entered at Wed Mar 19 22:56:48 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: War

U.S. B-52 bombers equipped with cruise missles took off from RAF's Fairford airbase at 1:08pm (EST). Flight time from England to Iraq is about seven hours. The needless slaughter begins. My daughter, a fifth grader, told me last night, quite firmly, that she wants to walk out of class if the U.S. attacks Iraq. I could not be prouder.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 22:44:08 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: I think I saw it move...,

Hit it again!


Entered at Wed Mar 19 22:23:52 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

You are correct Mr. Young. E-mail me: dpowell(at)pgfm(dot)com if you wish to claim a prize.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 22:19:14 CET 2003 from (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: The Band vs. Moby Grape

DP: Moby Grape was composed of four Americans and one Canadian (Skip Spence). Right?


Entered at Wed Mar 19 22:06:41 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Band / Moby Grape trivia

In one particular aspect, The Band and Moby Grape were exact opposites. The answer is ...?


Entered at Wed Mar 19 21:56:24 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.200)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Prayer

There is a dark cloud hanging over us all today. Please, if you are so inclined, pray for the men and women that will risk their lives for all of us. And the innocents who have no part in these matters.

God, if you're out there, we need to hear from you very soon.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 21:56:34 CET 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

I just received my copy of The Last Waltz special edition 3lp box set with all the goodies including Robbie's autograph. The pictures are wonderful, some of which I have not seen before. I wonder how many of the 1500 copies they have sold.

Robbie's new act from Dreamworks, Boomkat, is currently getting good reviews for their debut cd titled Boomkatalog One. It is all over the place in styles. I hear hip-hop, pop, rock, all kinds of things. The lead singer, Taryn Manning, played Eminem's ex-girlfriend in 8 Mile and Boomkat has a track on that wildly successful soundtrack.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 20:56:19 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: David Powell & The Rolling Stones

David......just picked up The Rolling Stones "Artist Choice" CD; which was originally a series you could only buy through Starbuck's. This is a collection of the Stones favorite tunes. They include:
James Brown - Papa's Gotta Brand New Bag
Otis Redding - I Can't Turn You Loose
Robert Johnson - 32-20 Blues
Muddy Waters - Still A Fool
And others by, The Beach Boys, Aretha, Sly & The Family Stone, Earl Bostic ect. Nice stuff.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 19:53:09 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Grape Bird

Pat -- that bird on the Moby Grape cover definitely wasn't Gene Clark, although it had Crosby's attitude written all over it. The group's image also suffered some damage following a party & concert hosted by Columbia to promote them. In the early morning hours afterwards, three members were arrested in the company of three underage girls & a small quantity of marijuana. Although the charges were later dropped, the damage remained, helping to sabotage their career as it just begun. Then there's the dispute with their original manager that still causes fall-out decades later, but that's another story for another time & place. Suffice it to say, the study of Moby Grape's career makes a good course for aspiring musicians. As Peter Lewis once sang, "If you can't learn from my mistakes..."


Entered at Wed Mar 19 19:39:26 CET 2003 from w0034362.partners.org (170.223.97.92)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: new england

Subject: Band on SNL on the E channel

I checked and its on Thursday March 27th at 11am eastern time on E Entertainment Television. This is the Oct 1976 episode of Saturday Night Live with the Band as musical guests.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 18:50:22 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ed

Not sure where the comment came from to say that you are "not proud to claim me" as a fallen away Catholic. I don't believe I asked anyone to have any feelings about that. I'm now working at being a much "better' Catholic as I age. I spoke with a friend of mine in the last couple of hours about this site and the postings that I had made and received ect. He said to me that this is why he know longer is on the internet. It seems no matter how carefully you plan your words, you are going to be misunderstood and honestly I don't have the time or energy for it. It makes for interesting reading from time to time. Time to listen to my Lisa Marie Presley CD. What?


Entered at Wed Mar 19 18:44:00 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Thank you Richard

I appreciate anyone who comments. Thank you. If I clouded the issue in my original post I'm apologize. I notice theis morning that the Prime Minister is going to allow Canadians to be pre-searched upon arrival at the border by Canadians, in order to speed up the process; when they meet their American counterparts. I'm sure that he and Sheila will not have to go through any of this and when all is said and done, I think this is all pre-ordained. Not much that you or I can do about it. By the way March Break is over. What are you doing at home :-) Take care Richard.


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Posted by:

Wittgenstein

Location: Toronto

Subject: Byrds singles

The Byrds were a great group. The single that came after the one mentioned by Bones and D.P. was 'Eight Miles High' /'Why?' and that was sensational. '8 Miles High' was a true collaborative effort with a tune primarily from Gene Clark, lyrics primarily from David Crosby, and instrumentation from Jim McGuinn, heavily influenced by John Coltrane's 'India'. The Byrds were evolving into a true 'gestalt' at this point, with the sum exceeding all the parts, and it's a shame that personality battles began to erode the group. Gene Clark left after recording '8 Miles High'. Also to be noted are the credits for "Eight Miles High" in which the three contributors to the song all get equal authorship. 'Why?' is a great high intensity rock workout with an exhilarating raga finish, co-authored by McGuinn and Crosby, who were progressing far beyond the boundaries of folk-rock / Dylan-rock that the group had earlier established. One year later, in 1967, The Byrds, now a quartet, released the brilliant single 'So You Want to be a Rock and Roll Star'/ 'Everybody's Been Burned'. The A side was a collaboration between McGuinn and Chris Hillman who was now becoming a writing force in the absence of Clark. The B side was Crosby's finest hour as a Byrd and is gorgeous with complementary accompaniment by McGuinn. Unfortunately The Byrds were becoming less commercially viable as they grew more progressive. The banning of 'Eight Miles High' by radio censor Bill Gavin (whose Gavin Report influenced the playlists of American radio) due to it's druggy feel and the word 'high' in the title, a dead giveaway, wink wink, caused them to lose a sure Top Ten hit. The Byrds no longer fit into AM radio and were pretty well ignored by the emerging FM rock radio programming. Crosby tried to take over the group and was fired for his efforts but landed on his feet, a 'superstar' who amply demonstrated the compulsive traits of his personality that had fractured The Byrds. Fortunately, the wild success of his new group allowed him to afford the subsequent liver transplant that his lifestyle neccessitated. The Byrds soldiered on and in late 1967 released the quintessential track 'Going Back', with 'Change is Now' on the flip side, a wonderful single, ignored of course, except by us die-hard fans. By 1968 The Byrds went up country, taking on Gram Parsons to replace the departed Cros'. Sharing many of the influences of The Band, not the Rompin'Ronnie rockabilly, but the conduit to Dylan songs, they recorded 'Wheels on Fire' and played 'Long Black Veil' in concerts. When Parsons and Hillman left to form The Burrito Brothers, McGuinn, having changed his name to Roger, hired another Parsons, Gene, just to confuse us, and the incredible guitarist Clarence White. Another shot at the singles can in 1970 produced 'Chestnut Mare'/'Just a Season' with its gorgeous guitar work. I won't go on and on about Clarence White, but the guitar break in 'Just a Season' is transcendant and I've been trying my whole life to play it that well.

For an understanding of 'gestalt' I recommend Theodore Sturgeon's 'More Than Human' a sci-fi classic.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines, Ontario

Subject: Reply to John D

John buddy, you are the one that mentioned the war, shame for the Canadian government , and applying for a Green Card in one breath, not me. I am not asking you to leave. I would prefer you stayed, because frankly, I find you to be an inspiring person at times.

Your original post reads “ Canada & Mexico shouldn't waste a second in letting the President know that we are there and willing to do what is expected. I speak for myself here. I'm old school and I've been used to crossing the border with a 45 sec. conversation and a thank you sir or ma'am. Free to travel to Woodstock to see Levon, or New Orleans my home away from home or Memphis for the ribs. If I were George I would be a little pissed looking to the north and south about now.” [end of paragraph].

I am happy to hear that you did not mean because we did not commit troops to battle you will be inconvenienced, but can you see how that might inferred by this paragraph ? I see no mention of truckers here. Just you and your “ribs“.

The problem, John, with your insistence that we support the U.S. after a declaration of war is that this is a PREEMTIVE war. If the United States were under attack on their own turf, I have no doubt that Canada would be the U.S.‘s fastest, closest ally. And I’m sure they would do the same for us. But this is not a case where the U.S. is threatened. This war is the basically the mandate of one man seeking to acquire oil fields, boost his country’s economy, and provide major reconstruction contracts for his backers in the last election.

I’m a school teacher John. And, God willing, I will be for a few more years. I will be very comfortable in the years to come telling my students that Canada did not go to war, even though it would have been a lot more profitable for us if we did.

And that's final. I refuse to argue with you John... See, this is me refusing to argue :-).


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

And David P., let's not forget the enclosed poster with one of the Grapes flipping off the world.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Gene mentioned Moby Grape's singles recently. That brings to mind one of the great debacles in the history of record promotion. When Moby Grape's eponymous debut album was released in 1967, some bonehead(s) at Columbia chose to release 5 singles simultaneously. The result of this dilution of impact was that none really made a dent on playlists. Flash forward to present day -- on more than one occasion, while shopping in the local Publix grocery store, I've heard both Moby Grape's "8:05" and The Band's "Remedy" playing through the piped-in music system.

I wholeheartily agree with John D. about Mark O'Connor's new group release. It's a refreshing tribute to the classic swing trio sound created by Stephane Grappelli & Django Reinhart.

Peter Viney mentioned Sir McCartney's stripped-down touring group. I think this is a decision based on a performance philosophy of "keep it simple & loose". Sir Paul certainly can afford to tour with as many musicians as he wants. In recent interviews, he's stated that he's comfortable playing with his present 5-piece group because each member instinctively knows what to do, and that he favors the spontaneity of live performance over extensive rehearsal time. One would imagine that the fewer number of musicians makes this easier to achieve. The trade-off, of course, is that some pre-recorded parts are used on some songs so that they sound closer to the recorded versions that the audiences are familiar with.


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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: its over the sand not the oil

its common knowlege in the labs of america, europe and elsewhere, that next quantum leap in energy provision is in the utilisation of the vast unused energy of the worlds great dessert regions. not only for inexpensive energy consumption but that of maintaining the precious life force of water. look at the genocides of africa, the instability of the middle eastern islamic states and one can see an orchestrated campaign to rob the area that not only was the cradle of civilization, but holds the key to our very survival. it is up to us to allow its development for a greater good than just the simplistic pursuit of capital gain that is at the heart of the regime sitting in governance of the usa. use your given democracy to fight for truth, and fear not the loss of money or jobs, for there will always be enough to go around.


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Posted by:

Bill

Some nominations for inclusion in the list of greatest A-side / B-side records:

Dovells - You Can't Sit Down / Wildwood Days ... James Brown - I Got You (I Feel Good) / Shout And Shimmy ... Eugene Smith - Freight Train / Piece Of Wood ... CCR - Down On The Corner / Fortunate Son ... Knight Brothers - Temptation's 'Bout To Get Me / Sinking Low ... Painted Ship - Little White Lies / Frustration


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Mark O'Connor

Check out Mark O'Connor's Hot Swing Trio with Wynton Marsalis and Jane Monheit. Very sweet indeed.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Ilinois (where last Sunday Joan Baez peformed TNTDODD)
Web: My link

Subject: John D., TNTDODD, Jeff Alexander, Israel, John. W and Rachel Callie, a great moment in Aussie Opera (see "my link")

John D.: Your mentioning in the same post both Jeff Alexander and your being “old school” (as in “stand tall” in the saddle a la John Wayne and “...letting the President know that we...are willing to do what is expected”) cries out for the suggestion that you and Jeff collaborate on a CD entitled, “Old School For Fools”. Couldn’t resist that one. Sorry, despite the spirit of the Jeff/Butch love affair, I’m not proud to “claim you” as a fellow fallen away Catholic .

On Sunday evening Joan Baez performed at Chicago’s Symphony Center and also attended an anti-war event across the street in Grant Park. The Chicago Tribune gave its review of her performance the front page, above the fold spot in its “Tempo” section which, after noting the anti-war ballad “Reunion Hill”, stated: “It found a companion piece alongside The Band’s ‘The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down”—a ‘70's hit for Baez that expressed similar compassion for the devastation the Civil War visited on the South.”

Which brings me to this guest book and “politics”. War is politics. It is beyond me how anyone on the website that daily heralds the magnificence of TNTDODD can urge that any aspect of the current war not be discussed here. Baez’s performance of the song underscores that point. So do Bruce Springsteen who once again includes Edwin Starr’s “War!” in his stage show (at least in Boston last week), the Dixie Chicks by lambasting Dubya, the Knashville songwriter who got fired for expressing her disagreement with Charlie Daniels, the Beastie Boys with their new anti-war song, Neil Youg who recently said the war is “a big mistake”, and so on. Which brings me to Israel because it is inextricably bound up with the U.S.’s war against Iraq and its domination of the region.

First, though, shame on you Jeff Alexander for insinuating that being critical of Israel is equivalent to being anti-Jewish. That, my friend, is the oldest demagogic trick in the book. There are plenty of Jews who are mercilessly critical of Israel. You, however, choose to “bond” with Butch “Let’s Kill All The Rag Heads” Denner.

Now, Jeff, please answer these few questions. Was the bombing of the King David Hotel by Israeli terrorists in 1948 the equivalent in its day of the attack on the Twin Towers? Does the terrorizing of Arabs off their land and into camps remind you of any other such European settler/colonizing practice? Would you please explain to the folks about the “peace loving” Irgun, Stern Gang, and other Israeli terrorist groups and their illustrious alumni, including former “peace loving” prime minister Menachem Begin (“Arabs are two-legged animals”)? Would you explain why the current “peace loving” Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, is almost universally regarded as a war criminal for his complicity in the slaughter of hundreds of civilians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in 1980? Also, is the common Israeli practice of violently shaking Palestinian prisoners a form of torture? Was the U.S. just kidding years ago when it suggested to Israel that it not commit political assassinations? Which of the 32 U.N. security council resolutions that Israel has continually violated should be enforced by a war and invastion against Israel? Could you also address whether Israel would collapse unless it received the $3 billion per year doll from the U.S. (about $20,000 per Israeli citizen and more than to any other country)? Look up from your desk when your finished, I got lots more. (btw, we listened, again, to "School for Fools" while we were cooking dinner last night and the wife's hips, again, started that slow swaying thing as she stood at the sink. Thanks, pal.)

John W.: The Israeli bulldozing of Palestinian homes is a form of collective punishment, most famously practiced by the Nazis, that is banned by the Geneva Convention to which Israel is a signatory. The courageous Rachel Callie was engaged in a non-violent civil disobedient act of resistance to that Nazi-like practice when she was murdered by the Israelis.

Again, see "my link" for a great moment in Australian anti-war opera. Bravo to the Brit doctor and the Aussie who rose to such heights.

edwardvoci@aol.com


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

All this talk of B-sides reminded me of a long ago radio phenomenon: two sided winners!!! The station (probably WLS or WCFL) would play a Beatles song then with a flourish and accompanying jingle play the flip side. They also had instant replays with accompanying jingles etc.

So a few of my faves: The Rascals "You'd Better Run/Love Is A Beautiful Thing" "A Beautiful Morning/Rainy Day" "People Got To Be Free/My World". And if my memory serves me well, didn't Martin Denny's "Quiet Village" have "My Funny Valentine" on the flip? Which brings up Elvis Costello's "Oliver's Army" with "My Funny Valentine" on the flip.

Dave Z is, in fact, correct. I have copyrighted "evil Robertson" and am presently making tons of money off of it. And I will share it with none of you heathens.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Wow! Richard: Please read properly then post.

As always people don't read things the way I felt I posted. First, I don't find the Government's position right now a courageous stand. That is my opinion. Many of my neighbour's and co-workers feel the same way. I'm sorry you disagree; but that's what a democracy is all about, right?

Read what I posted to Calvin and perhaps that will make my point clearer to you. I did NOT say that because of our leader's stand I will have a longer time at the border. I said "because of the war" (and as stated before, post 9/11) is what pisses me off about border crossings. Do I long for the old day's. Yes. What's wrong with that? Not our stand on it one way or the other. I don't see anything insensitive about that. Think about our poor truckers right now that sat at the border for 5 hours yesterday losing money. But I guess that's OK with you......after all you are not a trucker. Nothing to do with being with the Americans or not. Nothing. And quite frankly Richard I believe you have joined the anti Dixie Chicks group. You're giving me a "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT" solution. Because You disagree with me I should get out of the country. Many times it has been said that the cyberworld is a cold one. I thought a man of your intelligence would see that my last line was tongue 'n' cheek. My sad attempt at humour. I love this country. I don't like the government's stand on the war AFTER DECLARATION AND I'M A BLOODY DOVE SINCE THE VIETNAM DAY'S!!! Quite honestly I'm surprised at my own reaction to all of this. However I take things one at a time.

Now please read carefully Richard at what I'm about to say for the umpteenth time. Up until declaration Canada should go any way they want to. It is our Right! You would say it should remain that way after declaration. I disagree!. Not that it is not our right; but the decision of our Government. Many times throughout history we have disagree with the U.S. (Vietnam etc) and I stood behind our Government's stand at the time. I think this is a new ball game. If we, France, Russia and others came up to the plate earlier..........NOT FOR WAR.......but to intimidate Sadam.........I believe we could have nipped this in the bud. Again my thoughts. As I said to Calvin, Richard............when the bombs start dropping here one day you'll be one of the first crying for the Americans to come and protect us. That is just the reality of it and you know it. We do not have the military strength we once had when my Dad fought for the Canadian Army. This government and one's before it made sure that we would never have the might we did in that era. Oh and Richard...one last time FOR THE RECORD...(1)I am basically anti war. (2) I think Saddam is a very bad man. (3) No I did not agree that Bush should start a war over this. (4) BUT IT IS STARTING!

You can now post whatever you like because once again I have gone against my own principal's by thinking I had free speech without being asked to leave the country. I will not be responding. Religion & Politics....I should have listened to Mom.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Byrds - McCartney

Lil- Rustlers! It must be. Someone’s out there now changing the Circle O Ranch brand to the “8” Ranch brand (as seen in episodes of Roy Rogers, or possibly Hopalong Cassidy). It’s easy to do.

Jukebox singles- The Byrds representative in the Mojo list is ‘Eight Miles High’ / Why (and I don’t think any artist gets two shots).

Anyone heard ‘Back in the world’- It sounds as if they were brilliant shows to be at, but the CDs are a bit redundant if you weren’t actually there. There’s nothing radical, in fact just a “smaller” rendition of most things. Over-reliance on pre-recorded “loops” off a single keyboard is the problem. In contrast to say the Paul Simon tours with 12 or 13 musicians, you get the feeling that Paul is doing it on the cheap and it shows.

I’m glad that Jeff and John W read the e-mails. Thank you for doing so. But as has been said, John, flag burning isn’t a capital offence … yet.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: A & B sides

Bumbles mentioned a great Byrds A&B side single release yesterday. "Set You Free This Time (G. Clark)" and "It Won't Be Wrong (J. McGuinn/H. Gerst)" are included on the recently released Sundazed 2-LP Byrds set "The Columbia Singles '65-'67". This fine compilation, assembled by Bob Irwin & Roger McGuinn, is sourced from the original analogue mono mixes used for the single releases. In my opinion, this all-analogue compilation is an essential collection for those who still have turntables.

According to the informative liner notes, when "Set You Free This Time / It Won't Be Wrong" was originally released on Jan. 3, 1966, Mr. Clark's song was designated as the "A" side. A week following its release, however, Columbia started promoting "It Won't Be Wrong" as the "A" cut. Both songs would later turn up on side one of the "Turn! Turn! Turn!" album. Although "Set You Free..." may not have charted in England, according to the liner notes to the 1996 CD reissue of that album, Byrds manager Jim Dickson said that "the song caused such an impact outside America that the British Broadcasting Corporation contributed money towards the production of a promotional film for the track". Evidently, some people in Britain disagreed with the Americans who relegated the song to "B" status.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Calvin

Calvin I guess I was unclear. You are right. Back the soldiers. However......if WE should be attacked by a foreign power......... who'll be the first to ask for the American's to come in and protect us. You know we cannot do that ourselves. We just don't have the military might. If you are going to rely on your next door neighbour to fight your wars.....then I think you should be able to "give" something back at some level. Seems only fair.

If anyone read my earlier posts, I am very anti-war; however I have always said that when it is officially declared we should be prepared to help. It's like a politician running against another for Prime Minister or President. When the other person wins do you pack up and leave the country and continue to fight against them? No. You rally behind the person who won for the good of the country even if in your campaign you didn't always agree with their ways. Thanks for reading Calvin. Most people here just skim by my posts. I'm just happy to have someone agree or disagree with me.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Ctharines, Ontario

Subject: To John D.

John D: I find your most recent post to be quite disturbing and thoughtless (and these are not feelings I usually have after reading one of your posts). I am disappointed to hear that you are ashamed of your country’s government. I am very proud of Canada’s government right now, and I consider our decision not to join Bush’s war against Iraq to be the toughest, bravest thing Prime Minister Chretian has ever done. I am also very proud that we are “standing tall” in our own country’s belief that war against Iraq is not necessary and that we will not send our troops to fight in a war that’s necessity has not been proven.

But John, I am most disturbed by your grumbling that Canada’s failure to go to war will have the adverse effect of increasing your wait time at the U.S. border (as you go to spend your money in Woodstock or New Orleans or Memphis). I’m quite sure that that is the most insensitive comment I have ever heard you make.

Good luck acquiring a green card. I’m sure you’ll be much happier.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Bill = That's great news about The Hawk. Doing his thing on stage is probably the best medicine.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Did anyone notice that over the last couple of days, in the middle of the political, and sniping, and hiding, and beating the dead horse posts that are flying around, several people posted who are new to the site, or new to The Band. These people were so excited and complimentary of the site. Welcome folks. Come back. Check out the whole site.

Thanks Jan.


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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: %100 JohnD

I swore after our dressing down by Jan a few months ago I'd stay out of political discussions but I gotta ask you something JohnD. Why should I, if I disagree with the war back Bush %100? Now if you are saying I should back the soldiers I agree. Just as shameful, if not moreso, than the prolonged war in Vietnam when our government knew it couldnt be won and they were sending young mean to their deaths was the small percentage of activists harrasing returning vets. But supporting troops and supporting the government isnt the same thing. Active dissent, as long as it is respectful, is the cornerstone of our beliefs. As for MExico and Canada, you are aware they are democratic countries independant of us, are you not? If there government and citizens dont believe in something why exactly should they fall in line because whe make a decision? If anything since they dont agree with it shouldnt we respect them?


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Posted by:

Bill

FYI, somebody else's post to a music list this morning:

"Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks Rocked "West 89" in Alliston, Ont. last night, Tues. March 18, 2003. They played 3 long sets, starting around 8:45 p.m., ending before 1 a.m.

"** Ronnie sang the whole second set. He feels invigorated and stronger all time, since his bout with cancer last year. He still sings great, is a barrel of laughs with his jokes ... and carrouses with the ladies even better!!! ** I'm a witness!!!

"The Hawks played the first and last set without Ronnie. Ryan Weber's bass playing is some of the best I've ever seen .. a combination of Jaco and Entwistle (two of is bass heroes, and mine!) .. with lots of down-home soul! A rare combination. His brother, Sam wailed on leads, slide and rhythm guitar. Robin Hawkins on lead and rhythm, along with Buzz Thompson on lead, rhythm, slide and vocals. Doug Inglis on drums .. incomparable! Brent Bailey on keys, along with the Weber Band keys guy, Shai Peer, dancin' to his own keys stuff.

"They'll all be back there tonight and tomorrow night, Wed. and Thurs. March 19 & 20, 2003. Ronnie and the Hawks are rehearsing at "West 89", Wed. and Thurs., (NOT a private gig), in preparation for some upcoming gigs, including the National Arts Centre in Ottawa, at the end of March. Everyone's invited to the rehearsals at "West 89" in Alliston, Ont. (705) 435-3091, Wed. and Thurs. night. Like Ronnie said in an email the other day, "git your ass down there!"

"CTV will be filming on Thurs. night, as they were last afternoon and night, for an upcoming CTV Special. ** may be a small cover charge, so call the club first, if you want to know that info. It's better than the Massey Hall/Oct.4, and Dec. 5/CD Release Party .. I saw them both, so I know that for a fact. ** Ronnie only sang one or two numbers at each of those. He has much of his strength back now."


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Is It Safe To Come Back Yet?

Man after reading how Jeff and Butch may have to bring out the machine guns (where in the hell did that come from) is is safe to return now. The last couple of days scared the crap out of. We are getting a long way from Whispering Pines. I re-read Put 'Em Up's post a number of times and then went back to where his CD is featured. Here's this happy, smiley looking guy with arm around Levon and then I read this. I thought....."this is the same guy?" Everyone's entitled to their own thoughts......I just don't know how we made the jump to machine guns in that post. Seems like a big jump with an obvious agenda here. I'm just a fallen away Catholic and I don't even own a pop gun. Well maybe tonight things will start rockin'

I hope JOHN W won't put me in the same basket as Natalie Maines who has now learned what free speech will get you; but I can speak for many of my friends when I say that my wife and I are ashamed of our Government for not 100& getting behind the American Government. I realize that we don't have a lot to offer; but just to stand tall and be there is what counts. George Sr. had over 125 countries on side when he went to war. George W failed in that area; however now that war looms, Canada & Mexico shouldn't waste a second in letting the President know that we are there and willing to do what is expected. I speak for myself here. I'm old school and I've been used to crossing the border with a 45 sec. conversation and a thank you sir or ma'am. Free to travel to Woodstock to see Levon, or New Orleans my home away from home or Memphis for the ribs. If I were George I would be a little pissed looking to the north and south about now.

Wait a minute! Maybe this is how I finally get my green card. I'll sail across Lake Ontario and say that I come from a country that is not behind America. Maybe they'll let me in and believe me I would love it more than most. God Bless America........and the rest of us as well. We'll need it. And I pray that Jeff and Butch will never need the machine guns. Their people have been oppressed enough throughout history.

Time to listen to "Whispering Pines" again and think of the lush green woods of The Catskills.


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Posted by:

Lil

Subject: cow update

This morning's Poughkeepsie Journal (I tried to post the link but it wouldn't take) reports that 14 of the 17 cows that were walking on the parkway yesterday.. are missing (Unfortunately 3 were killed when an SUV hit them). Perhaps it's just me, but it's hard to fathom that noone has seen 14 wayward cows. I would think they'd be easy enough to spot.

Have a good day everyone. Peace.


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Posted by:

Remo

Web: My link

Greets from Switzerland !


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Posted by:

Lil

This is not a political post. I just think it's fitting today to send thoughts and good wishes to those folks here in our little community who have children in the military (I know of 2 personally). May they return home safe and sound.


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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Amy....Welcome..I've only been a Band fan for a little over a year, I knew two of there songs before I searched them out, "Up on Cripple Creek" and "the Weight" I can't for the life of me figure out why it took me this long to realize there greatness, but as they say better late than never, enjoy this site, its Band 101 in here...


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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: PutEmUp

I've known Jeff "PutEmUp" Alexander, personally, over a year now. Except for one small clue in a sentence he posted, I would never have guessed "PutEmUp" was Jeff (He usually swears much more then he did). I have found him to be an intelligent, fairminded, humorous, compassionate guy. A bit crazy and over talkative at times, but a good man just the same. I'm pretty sure this post will initate an extended phone call tonight from the man himself. I'd better take a nap.


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Posted by:

DZ Agin

Subject: An Amendment

Based on vital input I just received from Ilkka's Dog, I am ammending my article as follows: Please insert the following sentence after the sentence that makes up "My analysis of the song lyrics".

"The major problem I have with the lyrics is that they are not all provided on the screen at the same time, so that you have to in fact wait until the music has played some before you can read the rest of the lyrics."


Entered at Wed Mar 19 08:15:58 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Subject: The Anti-Viney Articles Of Interpretation

It finally hit me that there really is an audience out there that just doesn’t like Peter Viney. I don’t fully understand this phenomena but I’m going to shamelessly run with it anyway. Therefore, this is the first installment of what I hope will be many of my own personal but very serious musical criticisms of The Band. It is my hope that I can penetrate and turn the target audience so that they will someday come to fully realize the greatness of Peter. My quality pledge is that I will provide new installments (or episodes if you prefer) to coincide with the most intense periods of Guestbook fued or politicos. And I ask only that my extremely brief in depth articles be recognized as allowable GB posts versus let's say "Articles" in order to spare Jan the 5 seconds of trouble required to come up with a one-time excuse for why my superior stuff should not appear in the articles sub-section of the library section of this website right next to Peter’s. My major qualifications: (1) I’m not a limey. I’m a lamey. (2) Peter has no hair. I in fact have lots, and promised my wife I would cut some of it before I saw Garth play again (Of course, I lied.). (3) There’s the good Van, and then there’s the brilliant Van. Peter gets to see most of it all. I’m afraid of Van.

Anti-Viney Article Of Interpretation #1: The Big Pink Audio-DVD.

Some evil bastard at Capitol cropped Maury out of the Next of Kin photo contained in the liner notes. My speculation is that very shortly Film Bi-anal-ly will write an article to be made available on a pay-per-view basis to blame the evil Robberson for this (Permission for use of the maybe copywrited phrase “the evil Robberson” has not yet been granted by Pat Brennan.).

My analysis of the song lyrics: Yes, they do appear on-screen while the music plays.

My recommendation: I highly recommend you don’t buy the Audio-DVD because it don't work in regular CD players or on hippie turn-tables (those bastards!). Of course, I’ve got mine.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 06:41:46 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

First cows, now horses.....man oh man are the people from PETA gonna have a field day with this site!!!


Entered at Wed Mar 19 06:33:19 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: The State of the Horse

Just one more swing and that should do it!


Entered at Wed Mar 19 05:25:45 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Jeff: re: the marketing comment, I was actually complimenting you in my wierd sort of way... and btw, I love that Levon gun story too... take care... oh well, gotta go clean my brushes...


Entered at Wed Mar 19 05:09:44 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Location: Maggie's Farm

The right wingers don't seem worried about politicians burning the U.S. Constitution or the U.N.charter.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 04:38:10 CET 2003 from dialup-67.28.42.89.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (67.28.42.89)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Now, I have seen it all. John W., I trust you will also find a picture of the woman after she was crushed to death so we can properly understand the linkage between burning homemade flags and death.

BTW, Halliburton, Dick Cheney's old company (they still send him about a million a year), has the contract to put out the upcoming oil well fires and is a finalist to help rebuild Baghdad. How'd that happen?


Entered at Wed Mar 19 02:28:25 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Dave Z, and all interested parties. A good friend sent me this today. Thought you might get a kick out of it:

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."

--Hunter S. Thompson -

The only objection that i have to the quote is the poor connotation to how dogs die. The rest is right on the money.

one of the things gnawing at me that i neglected to say is my great appreciation to any of you who enjoy the music I have made. The most fulfilling things I have done in my life are writing songs, and making this cd. So whenever someone enjoys it, I get a big kick put of it. It also goes a long way in keeping me hanging on, cause this was a toughie, and still is.

I do have the material for 5 or 6 more cds now, and have another cd mostly done, that I recorded before this one. Haven't touched it in ages, no wampum right now.

Also, I am fully appreciative of the support that Jan has showed for "School For Fools". He has been a great supporter and good friend, and I thank him frequently.

So Bob Wigo, Lil, Ed Voci, Jan, anyone else who has enjoyed School For Fools, my humble thanks. You all know how I feel about Levon, will not answer questions except to say that he is more fun than a barrell full of monkeys. And as they say in Arkansas, that's no joke.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 02:13:01 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

amy

Location: Massachusetts

I have just been "introduced" to The Band. I realize now that I have know the music for most of my life! This music makes me feel happy at some points, and puts into song exactly what a heartbreak feels like. SOme of the music moves me so deeply, that I cry. Thank you thank you tahnk you for such incredible music!


Entered at Wed Mar 19 02:02:59 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

It's been proven - we're not out of range.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 01:34:33 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

Web: My link

Peter V. - Yes, I read the E-mails, as I said before, of course I feel bad for Rachel or any young person losing their lives. Not that it justifies anything, but please take a look at the photo I have attached. Yes, that is the American flag she is burning.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 00:41:25 CET 2003 from (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Music

Bones: thanks for the report on Robbie's reaction to the mention of Rick's name at the Rock Hall induction. I wonder what Robbie's "special consultant" role was for the evening? Anyway, Bones, it sounds like you weren't exactly in the back of the room (the Waldorf Astoria ballroom?). Do you know that Rollie was at "The Last Waltz?"

Did the Righteous Brothers segment sound as good in person as it did on the VH-1 version? I thought Paul Shaffer's production nailed the Spector sound and took it a step into the 21st century on "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'." Now I'm imagining Rick and Richard doing THAT one...


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Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

One more time. My but it is hard breaking away, but there was unfinished business. Still is. i have something to say, not quite sure yet what it will be, but something is gnawing at me. And if out turns out to be political, call me pisher.

I get a kick out of my monniker PutEmUp, so I am still using it.

Peter: Compassion does not have to be awakened in me. I was born a compassionate person.Again, you don't know me. My position on the plight of the refugees from the time of 1948 is made very clear in my posts as Schmuckalovich and Schmendrick. I would reiterate them, but the GB public seems to be against it. My position does not mean that I do not feel badly about the situation. Anyone who COMPLETELY DIGESTED my responses to Al Edge, or my political posts, should realize that I tend to see a full picture on things, regardless of what my position is. And by now you should be aware that when I commit to a position, I have the ability and the wherewithal to go toe to toe in defense of my position.

Someone yesterday or today stated that my position and Butch's are essentially the same. To you, whomever you are, I say, you did not fully concentrate when reading. You might be experiencing a knee jerk reaction. My saying that there exists a kinship or bond between Butch and myself because we are both of Jewish heritage does not mean that I fully agree with his political positions, or that he fully agrees with mine. Butch does not cheer when I enter a room. But I might be growing on him. We do not always agree on much , but he might be starting to appreciate my sense of humor. What I am saying is that I realize that Butch and I might one day find ourselves back to back , machine guns blazing, trying to keep our families and ourselves from being incinerated. And if you do not think that that is a possibility, you might also think that Israel is a terrorist state, or does not have a right to exist. Now this is a completely separate, but of course related, issue from that of the Palestinians.

Yes, Peter, I read Rachel's e mails. Did not tell me anything that I did not know, or could not imagine. If that sounds cold, it is just the opposite of cold. I did not need to read those e mails to know the conditions, the horror, the shame of all this. I did not need to read those to know that a great young girl died, or that families are living in conditions not suited to rat's. it does not change my mind that all these people, Rachel included, are political pawns, and have been in the making since 1948.

Does anyone remember that as far back as the late 60s, early 70s, Arafat was the mastermind of a lot of hijackings in which Americans and citizens of other countries were murdered ? Just felt like asking that? No big connection to the previous stuff.

Dave Z: If you knew me, or anything about me, you would know that I am not about marketing. I am certainly not calculating. I am not a good marketeer. When it comes to marketing, I am about as adept at shooting myself in the foot as Levon Helm (Someone please point Dave to the correct page in This Wheel's On Fire). I generally say what I mean, and that is not good in the music business. All this effects marketing. Marketing is a combination of many things. Including smelly ass kissing of the highest order, which i have an aversion to. I am learning to keep my big mouth shut, and promise, that I will be skilled in that department when I am dead. Hopefully sooner. So again, goodbye and goodluck.

To Dan, and anyone else who don't like my post, complain to Peter Viney for pulling my string.


Entered at Wed Mar 19 00:15:03 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

I missed the first jukebox singles posting, but have picked up the idea that a key criterion is that both sides have to be fantastic. Assuming it's a biggish jukebox, our guys'd be represented by at least the following: Bo Diddley / Who Do You Love, The Stones I Throw / He Don't Love You, Go Go Liza Jane / He Don't Love You, The Weight / I Shall Be Released, Up On Cripple Creek / The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, Rag Mama Rag / Unfaithful Servant and The Shape I'm In / Time To Kill.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 23:31:18 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: music

While I personally prefer to focus on musical subjects in the Guestbook, I realize that this site does not exist in a vacuum. People from around the globe visit here and the recent proliferation of political discussion seems to indicate a feeling of uneasiness among many. Despite differences of opinion, I think most will agree that the uncertainty of future events is a matter of utmost concern throughout the world.

In this modern age we are bombarded from all directions with information, through the airwaves & cyberspace. At times throughout the day, I like many of you, seek a brief respite from this sensory overload. Listening to music -- sharing, discussing & discovering its merits, seems to soothe the senses in difficult times. No, we can't tune out what is going on around us, but maybe we can try to speak of things in quiet tones without shouting & adding to the constant din that surrounds us. Maybe we can speak of things that make our hearts soar. All around us there are voices singing. If we stop & listen, we may hear what they say. Music is universal -- we may not understand the meaning of the words, but the melody, the rhythm, the mood, are all things we can share emotionally. Take some time; suspend disbelief; listen to the songs of the heart.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 23:21:22 CET 2003 from pool-141-150-90-44.mad.east.verizon.net (141.150.90.44)

Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: New Jersey U.S.A.

Subject: A's & B's

Am curious if Mojo's jukebox singles listing includes my own double-sided pick, the Byrds' "It Won't Be Wrong" b/w "Set You Free This Time" from 1966. A two-minute blast of pure Beatles energy from McGuinn and Crosby on one side and Gene Clark's gloriously ravaged Dylanesque ballad on the other, both just perfect. Oddly, it probably had the least impact of any of their early singles (although I did first hear both sides on the radio) and didn't even chart in Britain, so I'm guessing it didn't make Mojo's cut.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 23:00:48 CET 2003 from bi-02pt1.bluebird.ibm.com (129.42.208.182)

Posted by:

Chrispy

Location: New York

Subject: Question about Elvis Costello and Ricky

Does anyone know if Elvis Costello actually ever got to work with his hero, Rick Danko? I just wondered. I thought, how cool it might have been for him if he had that opportunity.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 22:53:11 CET 2003 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (66.31.105.135)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Location: The album "Amused To Death" by Mr. Roger Waters

Subject: The Bravery of Being Out of Range

You have a natural tendency to squeeze off a shot
You're good fun at parties, you wear the right masks
You're old but you still like a laugh in the locker room
You can't abide change, you're at home on the range
You open the suitcase behind the old workings
To show off the magnum, you deafen the canyon
A comfort a friend only upstaged in the end by the Uzi machine gun
Does the recoil remind you, remind you of sex
Old man what the hell you gonna kill next
Old timer who you gonna kill next

I looked over Jordan and what did I see
Saw a US Marine in a pile of debris
I swam in your pools and lay under your palm trees
I looked in the eyes of the Indian who lay on the Federal Building steps
And through the range finder over the hill
I saw the frontline boys popping their pills
Sick of the mess they find on their desert stage
And the bravery of being out of range
Yeah the question is vexed
Old man what the hell you gonna kill next
Old timer who you gonna kill next

Hey bartender over here, two more shots and two more beers
Sir turn up the TV sound, the war has started on the ground
Just love those laser-guided bombs, they're really great for righting wrongs
You hit the target and win the game from bars three thousand miles away
Three thousand miles away
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
We zap and maim with the bravery of being out of range
We strafe the train with the bravery of being out of range
We gain terrain with the bravery of being out of range
With the bravery of being out of range
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range


Entered at Tue Mar 18 22:49:47 CET 2003 from du-tele3-155.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.155)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Apologies for writing about negativity

Jeff… I avoid and ignore political posts for the reasons I stated. I discuss it all day elsewhere in my life, I don’t ignore it. But this is a music site and a respite from that stuff. As John W. said, though he may disagree with my views, it really runs better without political and racist ranting. For two days I ignored remarks about a young girl who was murdered and who was my daughter’s age exactly. In contrast, I made an effort to start a non-political thread on jukebox singles (and thank you Bill for following it). I read Rachel’s Letters this morning. I found them deeply moving. Thank goodness that so many Israelis agree with me, and share compassion, as I’ve just seen on the news. But of course they’re living it daily, not mouthing it from the safety of 4000 miles away. So answer me this … did you read her letters? Did they awaken compassion in you? That’s all I asked.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 22:26:00 CET 2003 from cic-sn-oprx-pxy2.wachovia.com (169.200.173.36)

Posted by:

Bones

Charlie Young: Actually, I did see Robbie's reaction when Elvis mention Rick's name. Robbie smiled, and then started clapping at the end (Rick's name was at the end with Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell's). Robbie seemed very pleased his old friend was mentioned with such great company (or at least that was my take on it.)


Entered at Tue Mar 18 21:33:49 CET 2003 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Posted by:

Ray G

Subject: Charlie Young... Thanks

Thanks for the insight on ECs' Rick mention


Entered at Tue Mar 18 21:11:04 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

I agree that this forum is better without all the political posts. But it seems whenever we don't see any politics for a couple of days, it's always a jab or two from the left that reintroduces the subject. As for France and the other countries working against the U.S.:

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he today that sheds his blood with me, Shall be my brother; be he never so vile, this day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now a-bed, Shall think themselves accursed that they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks, That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day."


Entered at Tue Mar 18 20:59:59 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Tom from Austin: Thanks for the wonderful pics!!!! I luv it when Garth gets cozy with the accordian and keyboard at the same time... thanks for your review too Pehr, must have been fun... I'm still waiting for the CD to arrive...

Jeff: Interesting way to market your CD... and coupled with Lil's comments, I'm now more intrigued than ever... I hope you don't go too far away... this place can always fit in one more passionate musical person... so, you gonna go to Toronto in late May...


Entered at Tue Mar 18 20:54:05 CET 2003 from (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Elvis Costello's Nod to Rick...

Ray: Elvis Costello mentioned Rick's name among a long list of writers and performers he thanked as he was inducted into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame recently. Others mentioned included many prolific writers such as Lennon and McCartney, so Rick really stood out as a guy better known as a singer. Too bad they didn't catch a reaction shot of Robbie Robertson's face when Rick was mentioned...


Entered at Tue Mar 18 20:35:13 CET 2003 from (216.199.106.18)

Posted by:

Dan

Location: Orlando

Subject: Hudson/Fjeld & Anderson

JH -- thank you providing the information on Sara Anderson & It Makes No Difference with Hudson/Fjeld/Anderdon. I enjoyed the warm reminiscence, which brings back the good of this site. I wish the acrimony regarding the Middle East would disappear from these pages, which are designed to allow us to share our love for music and learn about The Band and others such as the wonderful Bobby Charles. I, and I am sure others, use this site for enjoyment and not to be boogged down on news and opinion that assaults us from all corners all the time. Aside from my full-time occupation, I serve as volunteer chair of the local Jewish Community Relations Committee (quoted in today's Orlando Sentinel) and wrote weekly columns for over a year for the local Jewish paper as a favor to the publisher and to allow me to make sense of my thoughts and respond to events in the appropriate context. I actually got a second place prize from the Florida Press Association for "serious column." Never did I spill any of this on to this website. This is despite the fact that I had Band references in a few columns, including a tribute to George Harrison. I once shared a column privately with Peter Viney through e-mail b/c of his great interest in lyrics and we had a nice e-mail exchange. So, please keep this stuff away from the website.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 18:29:05 CET 2003 from usrfw01.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Posted by:

Ray G

Location: Pearl River, NY

Subject: Elvis Costello mentioning Rick

This was probably coverred already but...

I think it's great that Elvis C mentioned Rick as an influence. I'm wondering if anyone can post what Elvis' quotes regarding Rick were.

Thanks in advance from Ray G


Entered at Tue Mar 18 18:11:30 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

PutEmUp (Jeff)

Location: Brooklyn

My last visit and subsequent post was incomplete. And while I stated I was disappearing, I have not yet. That is because I felt compelled to return and address this one last issue, that of Peter Viney's post. After this I am really gone, and those of you that care to take issue with my position, or my character, or anything else, can do so and I really won't care.

It is all too common for people to use this guestbook to purport their own point of view, and not allow other's the same privilege. I have never done that. And Peter, that is exactly what you have just done, and Roger, you have just supported it.

Peter, you compared the old ladie's unappetizing, loud dialogue in a restaurant to the recent posts by myself, then Butch, about our position on Israel. You then stated that this is a music site, and our posts are inappropriate. Well sir, you did not include Ed Voci's remarks about Israel, or did you allude to the piece by John Pilger. Both of those posts are what compelled me to post at all. I rather leave politics alone myself. However, my legitimate feelings for Al Edge's quandary as a human being prompted me to answer him. And Ed Voci's response to my statement was not going to go unanswered. It is that simple.

You, Mr. Viney, appear to me to be rather fascistic in your condemning of my post, and Butch's, without condemning the inclusion of the Pilger piece and Ed Voci's post. And your own post. Roger, same goes for you. If you applaud Viney's metaphor without pointing out it's shortcomings. Might I also add that you both made political posts. I guess political posts are acceptable when the position put forth agrees with your own. My but you are a pair of naughty lads.


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Posted by:

Bossy

Location: Bournemouth
Web: My link

Subject: Imax

Very good site for there cool sounds, keep it comming


Entered at Tue Mar 18 17:48:58 CET 2003 from (61.240.164.210)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: NBC - Darth W. Vader Kicks Over a Hornets' Nest

Once again, IMO, James Ridgeway's analysis of current events seem more realistic than emotional. Check out the link above for his take on Bush's 48-hour ultimatum speech...


Entered at Tue Mar 18 17:09:22 CET 2003 from wwwcache4.uce.ac.uk (193.60.131.9)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: Blair Island (sadly)

Subject: Excellent Post, Peter

Fantastic post Peter. Terrific metaphor followed by a link to a fantastic web site for an over view of the middle east today. The 'Rachel' emails are powerful and overwhelming (perhaps particularly for those of us who have kids of a similar age to Rachel). Butch and Jeff might follow them up by reading 'Pity The Nation' by Robert Fisk. This is an extremely well written account of the history of Palestinian refugees in the Lebanon from 1948 to the present day.

No Band connection but I want to say what a privilege it is to hear the stories from Cousin Paul. Can you remember the Next of Kin photograph being taken? Did you realise how special that was? How old were you then Paul?


Entered at Tue Mar 18 16:59:45 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia, U.S.A.

Subject: Sneaky Pete, Rick Danko & Richard Manuel

Little Feat recorded versions of the classic "Willin' " on both their first two albums. The debut recording featured Ry Cooder on slide guitar. The second version, included on "Sailin' Shoes", featured Sneaky Pete on pedal steel, and for me they really nailed it on this take.

Speaking of "Willin' ", I think this would have been a great song for Rick Danko to cover. I think Henry Glover's "Drown In My Own Tears", one of the many great songs that Ray Charles recorded for Atlantic in the '50s, would have been a good choice for Richard Manuel to record. Richard did cover "Hard Times", another Ray Charles song from that era, which was included on the "Whispering Pines" CD.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 16:39:53 CET 2003 from mcha-aj125.taconic.net (205.231.150.125)

Posted by:

Lil

Fred: Heheh..Yes, there were indeed 17 wayward cows travelling south on the parkway here this morning. Seems they escaped from a nearby farm. I chose to take a different route when I heard there had been several accidents and (at last count) 3 cows killed. Weird.

I just heard that Mark Knopfler was involved in a pretty serious motorcycle crash, but is going to be ok after sustaining a broken collar bone and several broken ribs.

Geez.. I'm just full of good news this morning, hm? :-) Have a good day everyone.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 16:28:55 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6ea3120-cm014260040104.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (65.48.85.247)

Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: watch out for germans

this past saturday, with nothing better to do, and with my daughter in frankfurt for the weekend, i asked my sons if they would like to see the scorpions. they said ok, i got the tickets and we drove into toronto, listening to disc #2 from ATGD.

the show was at the air canada center, opening with dokken, then whitesnake, and then the blitzkreig, an awsome display of precise music and showmanship, that rocked the crowd like a hurricane indeed! the scorpions have learned their lessons well, and one can see why they are considered the best at their genre.

on the way home,i put on Jim Weider's "Remedy", and noticed how the music fit right in with the four hour concert, we had just attended. Jim and his band would have been right at home, sharing the same bill as the scorpions.

if i am not mistaken, you have to watch out for scorpions over there in the middle east ;-[)

what do you make of a regime that will not provide universal health care for its patriotic citizens, but is willing to destroy another country and its babies?


Entered at Tue Mar 18 16:16:41 CET 2003 from w0034362.partners.org (170.223.97.92)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: new england

Subject: Band on SNL

next week, on the "E" cable channel The episode of Saturday Night Live featuring The Band as musical guests is airing. I saw it on my TIVO, I think its on Thursday March 27th and it might be the 1pm eastern time showing. I will confirm and post again.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 15:54:46 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Lil: so what's the story re: the cows?


Entered at Tue Mar 18 15:54:04 CET 2003 from 172.red-80-58-4.pooles.rima-tde.net (80.58.4.172)

Posted by:

Jota eme-

Location: Spain

Subject: Greetings from Spain

Great site, great rock'n'roll band


Entered at Tue Mar 18 15:44:24 CET 2003 from mcha-aj125.taconic.net (205.231.150.125)

Posted by:

Lil

PutEmUp: Sorry for the misunderstanding..and thanks for the wonderful music (which is really all I wanted to say in the first place). Have a great day.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 14:45:11 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

PutEmUp

Lil,here is clarification of what i wrote. You were asking me to verify my identity. Well without a face to face session with me sitting under a lightbulb, that is difficult. When I said that Butch would vouch for me, I did say he and I have had our differences on some issues (which is a closed issue, not for public consumption, and hopefully he and I both forgot the details), but he would vouch for me being me, and I did say he would proudly claim me as a Jew.I was not inferring that anyone was making any kind of identification of me as such. what I was saying, and probably should not of , was twofold: that in spite of some past grievances between us, A)Butch will tell you i am who i am, and B)that even though our political philosophy and approach to things may differ, we do have a bond that cannot ever evaporate. This kinship becomes illuminated in the light of historical and political situations every day. Especially now. That is what I was saying. If that is misunderstood, so be it.

Thank you for enjoying my recording. Bob Wigo, thank you as well. I am glad to hear you drum along with it. I am not taking issue with your comment, but, I just want to say that I have never been dirty.I did post as Jeff from Brooklyn last year, did not post for long. It was pretty wild and wooly in here.

I was told that there was fallout from last night. So I looked. But in reality, it probably is best if I steer clear. Fall out or not. Any time I might meet some of you folks at a show, that would be great.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 14:25:27 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: NICE PICS

Tom from Austin: Nice pics!


Entered at Tue Mar 18 14:23:07 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: OR.....

John D: you could follow the link


Entered at Tue Mar 18 14:17:10 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: The Guardian

John D: if you access the Guardian web site and scroll down the page you'll find the title RACHEL'S WAR, that's the article Peter V was talking about (I read it earlier today)


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter Viney The Guardian

Peter could you be a little more precise where the article in question can be found in the online version of The Guardian? First... is it Monday's edition? I can't find it I'm afraid in either Monday or Tuesday's online paper.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 13:41:36 CET 2003 from mcha-aj025.taconic.net (205.231.150.25)

Posted by:

Lil

Subject: Holy Cow! :-)

An obvious Band connection here (sometimes one just falls into my lap :-) as I'm about to head out and heard on the local news that there are 17 cows walking around on the Taconic State Parkway( someone must've counted them). They are headed South. So am I. Heheh..should be an interesting morning :-)


Entered at Tue Mar 18 12:51:26 CET 2003 from du-tele3-224.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.224)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: With all due respect …

We stopped for lunch in the city of Bath last week, and our pizza was ruined by two elderly ladies at the next table (both slightly deaf) who discussed their most recent operations in graphic detail at British precisely-accented full volume for half an hour. The topic of tubes, haemmoreges, sores caused by catheters and the amount and colour of pus they produced from the resultant scabs was not a topic for the lunch table, and therefore not one for a restaurant with tables close together. The child with the couple at the next table was visibly upset. This is not to be squeamish and say such things should not be discussed, just that there is a time and a place for everything.

And so to my point, this is a music website. And I think Butch and Jeff’s views on Israel fall into precisely the same category. I don’t know if this is on the Guardian website, but can I suggest that Jeff, Butch and John W (who commented yesterday) go out and find today’s import copy (they’re almost certainly in a US newspaper too) and sit down and honestly read through the final e-mails to her home written by the young American girl who was deliberately crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer. Read it without any pre-conditions, just give her that respect.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 12:16:41 CET 2003 from mcha-aj134.taconic.net (205.231.150.134)

Posted by:

Lil

PutEmUp: Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, you're correct when you say that sometimes questioning an identity is one of the problems with the net. It's been my personal experience that people are not always forthright in here. Please understand that I was not in any way questioning your character (I really enjoy reading your posts for the most part), but simply being cautious... and pleasantly surprised. I'm enjoying the cd immensely, and thought it would be nice to tell you that.
I want to add one more thing. Telling me to "ask Butch", who would "proudly proclaim" you as "a Jew", is something I don't understand you directing at me. Your race or religion was not an issue with me (nor is anybody's). I take people at face value and it's more important to me _who_ a person is.. not _what_ they are. I just wanted to clarify that.
Thanks for listening.

Have a good day everyone. Peace.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 10:37:16 CET 2003 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Hudson/Fjeld/Andersen - "It Makes No Difference"

Dan from Orlando,

The singer on the live version of "It Makes No Difference", recorded during the Hudson/Fjeld/Andersen tour of Norway in May 2001, is Eric Andersen's daughter Sari.

I had the pleasure of meeting her and her father backstage before the H/F/A performance at the Bob Dylan 60th birthday tribute concert in Oslo that year. Sari is a beautiful girl with a great voice.

It was the first time I shook hands with Eric Andersen. He is familiar with the Band site and was polite and friendly.

The great moment that night (for me) came when Garth spotted me back stage talking to Jonas Fjeld. He immediately interrupted the press interview he was doing, got up and gave me a big bear hug - very surprised to see me there.

They did a great performance a little later, playing a couple of songs from the two D/F/A albums before they had to leave for another gig later the same night. By then, some of us had discovered the free buffet/smorgasbord back stage - not to mention the barrels filled with ice, beer and miniature bottles of aquavit.., I'll spare you the details :-)


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: n

Funny how things on this sight works. After Rick gave my daughter Allison a horsey ride, which she always looked forward to when"Uncle Rick" was in town, He would sing "My aim is true" We would tell Him that Elvis mentioned that you are his favourite singer. All we got was a Blush. Just another story.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Wha???

Danko doing a Herman's Hermits tune? Richard covering the Boxtops???

Pleeese... e-mail me some of what you guys have been tokin' on out there!!


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: "Alex"

Hello Jeff Alexander. Now that you've come clean it only seems right to say thank you for a great record. I've been drumming along with it for months. "Reasons To Love" is a beautiful tune and "Happy Hour" is the one I turn to when I want to rock it. It's been a wonderful addition to my collection and I'm grateful.

Thanks for the great music.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Songs For Rick

I always thought Rick would have done a great job on Sam Cooke's "Wonderful World". For that matter he could have done a wonderful album of Sam Cooke covers. Another tune I thought he could have had a great time with is Herman's Hermits' "Into Something Good". Rick would have bounced right through that one with style and a smile.

I miss Rick Danko.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 05:24:59 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Lars: I forgot to say I agree with you about Joe Louis (in his prime) knocking the stuffing out of Ali (in his prime)...about Williams being better than DiMaggio...hmm, in the hitting department I'll say yes, fielding....Joltin' Joe has my vote; about Jan kickin' anybody's ass (be they from Lapland or not)...of course! But we all know Jan uses his powers for GOOD, not EVIL!!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Lil. Here we go. Just the fact that you would doubt that this is me points the spotlight on some of the problems wtih the internet. Those problems are magnified once you have any kind of a public life. Of which I really have next to none. But once anyone does anything, they are kind of a sitting duck for shot taking. None of you really know me or who i really am, what is really in my heart, or what I really am about. You may have gotten a glimpse in the last few weeks. it has been nice kind of getting to know you people a bit. It would be more fun in person, with "time to kill" and in a friendly atmosphere. I must say, I have fully enjoyed kibbitzing with Ed Voci, despite our differing political views, and Al Edge, who borders on genius when inspired.

Lil, if you doubt that that was me, and I really do not think you do, ask Butch. He and I spoke earlier tonight. And while he and I have had our differences, he will proudly claim me as a Jew. And I he. Ed Voci will speak for my legitimacy as well.

Al Edge seems to have pinned me out long ago. I caught that Al ,"anyone who can wax as lyrical as you has my full support", don't think i was sleeping, I just let it pass by.

Honestly Lil, I do not want to answer a lot of questions about a lot of things. It probably was not smart of me to unmask, however Ed, still a friend, offended my sensibility, and got me riled. So, now that I have splained that, adios Lil baby. Keep them diamonds shining.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 04:10:56 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Rick singing "Allison"....I can visualize it and I'd say: perfect

The Bob vs.Caruso: no freakin' contest, The Great Caruso would win, hands tied behind his back, bindfolded holding a slice of pizza in his left hand and a glass of red wine in his right hand and a smurf-like grin on his face! (as you may have gathered Caruso HAS 4 arms!!!)

Why do people (as in North Americans) persist with the "real men don't eat quiche" stance? Now look deep into my eyes and repeat after me: "Quiche tastes good, quiche tastes great, eating quiche is The Way "


Entered at Tue Mar 18 04:09:20 CET 2003 from mcha-ah069.taconic.net (205.231.30.116)

Posted by:

Lil

PutEmUp: Did I read your last post correctly? Are you Jeff Alexander? If so.. what a nice surprise! I purchased the "School for Fools" cd after much prompting from Jan (who can't seem to say enough good things about it). He promised me I wouldn't be disappointed. He was right. Nice to 'meet' you (if indeed it is you).

Have a good night everyone.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 03:19:04 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

PutEmUp

Subject: Stand And Be Counted

Okay, I heretofore did not use my full name in here. Still won't. Call me PutEmUp. Chances are I am dissappeared anyway. But I am Jeff " a happy fool", "your average slob" Alexander. Proud to be a Jew, proud of the peaceful lest fucked with State Of Israel.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 02:54:37 CET 2003 from (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Songs Rick Danko Could Have Covered & Improved

The Richard Manuel fantasy album idea made me wonder what Rick Danko could have done with certain songs that he never performed. Elvis Costello's mention of Rick Danko as an influence during his LONG Rock Hall induction speech the other night inspired me to imagine what Rick could have brought to Costello's own "Alison" or some of his other early masterworks.


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Posted by:

Lars

Location: On top of the fence

Subject: Controversy

TINY MONSTER: I mean no disrespect, but you remind me of an old English teacher I used to have. "No contoversy...I didn't think so."

Well, to start with, I think Bob Dylan is just as good a singer as the Great Carusso, and could probably hold his breath longer than Carusso, if he wanted to. Joe Louis could (in his prime) have beaten Ali if they ever fought. I think Levon could throw a football (in his prime) and hit Richard with a perfect strike, even with Danko defending (simply because Danko would be looking around for a hockey puck). I think the Band was the greatest band in the history of rock, I don't care if they never had a number one hit. I think Jim Weider is the best guitar player I have ever seen. I think Rando is one of the best drummers/ percussionists I have ever seen, I love the way he puts that wood/ rimshots into his playing.I think Williams was better than Dimaggio. And I'm willing to bet that Jan Hoiberg could beat the hell out of any Laplander if he wanted to, but he knows that real men don't brawl. Or eat quiche.

The only controversy is what Jan is gonna do to me when he reads this.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: israel- a GREAT FRIEND

Put Em Up,,, Alex,,, Schmendrick,, or whomever,,,

I APPLAUD your brilliant words & stance,,,,

the anti - israel stance is nauseating to me & any sane thinking people,,,

i, too, study & know the history of the region, vis a vis the Israelis,,, & they are a civilized, peaceful people ,,, IF left alone,,,

those "human" shields are so screwed up,, we had THREE from my town go to iraq,, & i told them to their face, they could & should die for giving aid & comfort to OUR ENEMY !!!!

where are they on the Tel Aviv busses,,, PERFECT !!!!

i applaud your words & your heart,,,,


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Politics ....

Hey all, just wanted to post "My link" to Country Joe McDonalds Discussion Board if you feel like blowing off some social political steam. It's been up since 9/11 and welcomes anything and everything ...

What, nobody has anything political and controversial to say ?

That's what I thought ...

PEACE



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Posted by:

PUtEmUp

Ed:below is what you posted in response to my post. "What color was the acid that PutEmUp took when he claimed that Israel, a state birthed and maintained through terrorism, is something other than a military outpost bankrolled and technified by the U.S. to serve the U.S.’s domination of the Arab peninsula/oil? "

Maybe to support your theory you will purport that Zionism, a cause that predates Theodore Herzl, was spouted and financed by George Bush's grandfather, and other Texas oilmen.

How about you state that Hitler and the Nazis were puppets, secretly funded by Bushron in order to create a climate that would necessitate and allow the creation of the state of Israel, so 50 some odd years in the future, george Jr and more Texas oilmen could lead Israel and the U.S. to world domination.

Yes Ed. You do sound that absurd.And honestly, I find it offensive. Israel has not and has never been a terrorist state. What i want to know is where are all the do gooders when Jews and Israelis are getting slaughtered. I am sorry that woman lost her life. I am against the concept of human shields, but I have to ask, where are ther human shields on Israeli buses and in Israeli kindergartens? Where have they been since 1948. I do not ever recall hearing of one. I hold to my principle concept that Arafat has done a great job of pulling the wool over the world's eyes.

For those of you who have no idea what I just referred to, last year I posted a few times and took a leave of the guestbook. The last good mideastern political war fought in here got me ired, and I posted 3 or 4 times as Schmuckalovich, twice as his brother Schmendrick. I was about to disappear again, when Ed Voci started "the feud" and someone made a remark that compeelled me to post as PutUpYerDukes,PUtEmUp,PutEmUp. I eventually switched to Alex, then rested on PutEmUp,where I will now stay.

Ed, all I can say is that while I consider you a friend, I resent your position. But i agree that you have a right to your own thoughts, as much as I detest your thinking on this. And detest is a soft word.I am not going to restate what i posted as Schmuckalovich and Schmendrick. It is there in the archives. But I am firm in my belief that terror is what the Israeli's have been victims of, not perpetrators of. And you my good friend, while some of your concepts may be right, you are a victim of machiavellian machinations regarding your concepts regarding the State of Israel.

I am finished, done, have no more to say.


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Posted by:

Amie

Location: Seattle

Subject: "mud" or "blood"

I have gone my whole life thinking it was "blood" also. Having grown up in the South though I have to wonder if the use of "mud" is related to the color of dirt in some the Southern states. I used to live in Arkansas and the dirt in that state is more of a rusty red than brown or black like it is in the Northern states. People are often amazed when they see the red dirt clay of the South for the first time. I could see that leaving an impression on someone who is used to the black dirt of the North. It almost looks bloody in comparison to the dirt in all the other places I have lived and travelled.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 00:52:04 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

PutEmUp

Ed: Below is what I posted "Is the US relationship with Israel effecting our involvement in a war with Hussein/ Iraq? Yes. Only to the extent that in the first Gulf War we stopped Israel from wiping Iraq out. If we did not, you can bet that Israel would of annihilated Iraq after it started shooting missiles at Israel. We are not getting into this war because of Israel, nor are we plotting any kind of domination with Israel." I am about to post what you posted in response, will post it in another post.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 00:48:05 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Jerry

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Tapes

Im lookin for anybody out there who has some tapes of the band for trade, B&P, whatever, I am desperate to get my hands on some. It is quite hard to find a site online as searching for 'the band' turns up quite a bit of shit which is not 'the band' im lookin for. I have alot of Dead to trade and many other things, Ill pay somebody to hook me up with some live Band recordings. Thanks for your help Email: SALVAGNE@aol.com


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Posted by:

Jerry

Location: PA
Web: My link

Subject: Tapes

Im lookin for anybody out there who has some tapes of the band for trade, B&P, whatever, I am desperate to get my hands on some. It is quite hard to find a site online as searching for 'the band' turns up quite a bit of shit which is not 'the band' im lookin for. I have alot of Dead to trade and many other things, Ill pay somebody to hook me up with some live Band recordings. Thanks for your help


Entered at Tue Mar 18 00:07:25 CET 2003 from sunmedia.ca (205.210.170.48)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Green Fields of France

I remember getting schnockkered in Dublin listening to Green Fields one Irish night in the '80s and sipping happily on Coleraine's whisky (Paddy's in Cork was nice, too, just to give a southern balance). I, too, will now never hear the song the same way again.


Entered at Tue Mar 18 00:02:33 CET 2003 from du-tele3-232.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.232)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Juke Box Singles

No jukebox would be complete without A Whiter shade of Pale, regardless of the B-side (which is OK, while maybe not a killer- but the A side would be in the first four or five I'd choose). Procul Harum's new one has had mixed reviews, but the title "Well's On Fire" is an obvious nod in the right direction. Haven't heard it yet.

Two with Killer-Bs that got away …
Robert Parker : Barefootin’ / Let’s Go Baby (Where the Action Is)
Tommy Tucker: Hi Heel Sneakers / I Don’t Want Cha


Entered at Mon Mar 17 23:28:52 CET 2003 from h-68-164-10-39.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.164.10.39)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Hank, it's rather obvious why there is a public perception of the evil Robertson.

Faugh a Ballach, and kiss a Galway Girl.


Entered at Mon Mar 17 23:20:54 CET 2003 from (216.199.106.18)

Posted by:

Dan

Location: Orlando

Subject: It Makes No Difference

Who is singing on the recording of It Makes No Difference with Hudson, Fjeld & Anderson because she does a wonderful job? A good stripped down recording with a female vocalist could produce a hit.


Entered at Mon Mar 17 23:16:23 CET 2003 from cable48-169.milltown.personainc.net (66.103.48.169)

Posted by:

Other Joe

Location: The Rock (with Mo)

Subject: Last Waltz and Cgorus

I'll never hear "The Green Fields of France" the same way again. Thanx Hank.


Entered at Mon Mar 17 23:00:39 CET 2003 from dialin-1063-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.5.47)

Posted by:

Gene

Subject: JukeBoxSingles

Peter -

How about Dylan: I Want You/Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues, and Procul Harum: A Whiter Shade of Pale/Lime Street Blues...they sure would be on my JukeBox (not to mention those Moby Grape singles!)


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:45:33 CET 2003 from (64.243.9.242)

Posted by:

Jay W.

Location: Atlanta

Subject: Garth's Album at Tower!

This has probably already been reported here, but I was very excited to see several copies of SEA TO THE NORTH at Tower the other day. I hope it helps Garth find a wider audience. I have been enjoying the album for many months now.


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:45:28 CET 2003 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (66.31.105.135)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Seeing a post from Hank always puts a hop in my step! Keep the torch blazing, brother, and be as prolific as possible.


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:37:38 CET 2003 from dialup-0953.dublin.iol.ie (193.203.147.185)

Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: Tura Lura Lura

Happy Paddys Day from Cork! Ireland has the day off today....it's like two Sundays in a row........

Last night, I played that Sunday night residency gig I was tellin' y'all about awhile ago......we performed, amongst others, "Evangeline", "Up On Cripple Creek"," A Deuce and a Quarter", "King Harvest" and "Back To Memphis"....

3 part-harmonies, mandolins'n'all....a rockin' night....afterwards I went to another gig that the bassist and guitar player were playing and a woman I know for about ten years, a singer, came up to me and said she had just recently received and watched The Last Waltz DVD......and said it left her in floods of tears!

So, of course, I asked her why....and she said: "because I learned all those songs from your band, (Open Kitchen), Hank!.......and the whole thing is so wonderful to watch....just pure music....no egos...just pure music...."

Now, folks, I refrained from telling her about "The Feud" and all that......why blow her buzz?......but then she sez:" But it's very sad the way Robbie Robertson ripped them off in the end"!

So then, of course, I asked her how she knew THAT..and she said "someone told me"......

It's true that if you meet anyone that knows even a little bit about The Band (and obviously not on this GB) and are somewhat passionate about it, they'll tell you RR ripped 'em off.......

Now, I believe it's not as simple as RR ripped them off...but that's definitely the public perception to many people.......

There's an anti-war song by Eric Bogle that's huge here in Ireland called "The Green Fields of France"......it was a huge hit for The Furey Brothers and Davy Arthur in the '70ies....and I daresay that Messers. Viney and Edge have 'eard tell of it on the neighbouring Island as well.....

anywho......the chorus goes:

"Did They beat the drum slowly? Did They Play The fife Lowly?

Did they sound the Death March, as they lowered you down?"

and did the band play "The Last Post" and chorus?

Did The Pipes play "The Flowers of the Forest?"

At sessions here in Ireland, when you hear the song played, or drunkenly HOWLED, as it often is, most folks sing:

"Did The Band play THE LAST WALTZ and chorus?".....!!!!!

I've been meaning to write this on The GB for AGES but tonite seems to be most apt occaision....I'm off now to play a gig with the same band as last nite.....I'll let you know what Band songs we did with tommorrows post......

Peace!


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:38:38 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Hey Hank - are ya hoisting a Guinness and playing "Give Ireland Back To The Irish" on the jukebox?


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:24:03 CET 2003 from lab26.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.180)

Posted by:

Pehr again

Subject: dicksie chix flap

dubya come from Kennebunkport anyway. He's about as texan as I am.


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:23:16 CET 2003 from h215n2fls35o865.telia.com (217.211.89.215)

Posted by:

Mikael

Location: Falun, Sweden

Subject: One Single River

I have heard that the song "One Single River" was written by Danko/Robertson. Is this true?


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:21:52 CET 2003 from h215n2fls35o865.telia.com (217.211.89.215)

Posted by:

Mikael

Location: Falun, Sweden

Subject: One Single River

I have heard that the song "One Single River" was written by Danko/Robertson. Is this true?


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:20:58 CET 2003 from lab26.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.180)

Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Garth in Austin

What a great pleasure it was to see and meet Garth Hudson at the Burrito deluxe show. It ended too early, thay only played about 45, 50 minutes, they had some technical difficulties and really didn't get off the groud till the end as I saw it.

I was there for Garth of course and stood it line a long time to ensure getting in with a good seat. I dont know much burrito stuff so I'm glad someone else(Thanks Tom) got the setlist in. I didn't know some of those songs.

I'd just as soon hear Garth and Sneaky Pete without the other guys, who needs guitars and vocals with those guys?

Garth had a moment to play his dueling melodies and it was glorious, then the show ended.

It was great talking for a while, and he stayed out back of the club after the show and talked to people a good long while. It was great to hear his low rumbling voice talking. a real treat. Thanks for coming all the way to Texas, Garth!

(sorry for the horrible typing but I'm late!)


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

with all due respect to The Clash - it's the Bobby Fuller Four's, "I Fought The Law".


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:11:07 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Am I the only person to consider Floyd Cramer's style an affliction rather than a skill?


Entered at Mon Mar 17 22:07:45 CET 2003 from du-tele3-232.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.232)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jukebox singles

MOJO has a supplement with the current issue, ‘The Mojo Ultimate Jukebox’ – yes, yet another Top 100. They set out some criteria for their selection of 100 best juke box singles, and then proceed to ignore them. The criteria are that the original only is counted (so no Old & Gold double A-side reissues from the 70s), and that having a “Killer B” is important. They then give Louie Louie number one while admitting that “Haunted Castle” is not a Killer B. They choose Jumping Jack Flash and many others with dud B-sides. They miss The Weight, with the definitive Killer B on I Shall Be Released. As it’s a British listing, they might just get away with missing that double-A Up On Cripple Creek / TNTDODD, as it wasn’t a hit here. Ones that they rightfully include with Killer B’s include:

His Latest Flame / Little Sister (#2)
Paperback Writer / Rain (#10)
Subterranean Homesick Blues / She Belongs To Me (#25)
Baby Please Don’t Go / Gloria (#53)
God Only Knows / Wouldn’t It Be Nice (#97)

Otherwise, in spite of worthy choices on the A side (River Deep Mountain High, Bohemian Rhapsody, 96 Tears, Family Affair, Reach Out I’ll Be There, Oh Pretty Woman, The Rumble, and creative choices too (Peggy Lee’s ‘Is That All there Is?”), very few songs on their list have that Killer B side. So which other singles for a juke box deserve their place for both their sides? The Beatles are clear runners away with:
Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane
All You Need Is Love / Baby you’re a Rich Man
Hey Jude / Revolution
Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out
Something / Come Together

The Rolling Stones one that shouts out to me is:
Honky Tonk Women / You Can’t Always Get What You Want

So what other ones would you choose? BTW, if you tell Mojo in 25 words on a postcard you could win a £650 Jukebox … I’ve already entered The Weight! But as they will be unlikely to post a jukebox out of the UK, post it here instead …

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN’s new single of The Rising has a nine and a half minute live version of Land & Hope & Dreams on it. As they’re attempting chart fixing by selling it for 99p this week,(as against a normal £3.99) it’s worth picking up fast before it charts and reverts to £3.99.


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: RR Hall Of Fame

Tracy: All the speeches were edited for tv. As for the songs that were NOT shown on VH-1: Elvis and the Attractions did a great cover of Smokey's "You Really Got A Hold On Me" as well as "Pump It Up". The Police also did a great version of "Message In A Bottle". You would have really enjoyed the Mo Ostin part. You know Mo wanted to sign the Band to Warner Brothers in 1968, and finally got his chance with The Last Waltz in 1976. He had a lot to do with Robbie joining Dreamworks, the label Mo is currently running. Lorne Michaels, Paul Simon and Neil Young all gave great long speeches for Mo, and Paul Simon played a great version of "Still Crazy After All These Years" as a tribute to him. Robbie, for the only time that evening, narrated a short video tribute for Mo, not unlike the video narrations he used to do for the program. Paul Shaffer inducted the sidemen with a short musical medley that was way too brief considering the impact that Benny Benjamin, Floyd Cramer and Steve Douglas have made on music.

What most people do not know was that the evening was supposed to end with an all-star jam of everyone doing a version of The Clash's "I Fought The Law", but it kind of brokedown doing rehearsals when the original members of the Clash said it did not feel right without Joe (Strummer). Robbie, as usual, sat next to Jann Wenner, but he spent a good amount of time talking to Mo Ostin's wife wife of many years and Elton John.


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Posted by:

Bill

By all accounts Freddy McNulty was a Yonge Street character and Hawks hanger-on/fan par excellance. If somebody told me that "Ferdinand The Imposter" (Fred to Ferd) was about him, I'd believe it.


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Posted by:

Minotka

Location: up the street

Subject: Hey Jules

Hey Jules - I was at that same Baez/McGuinn concert. Email me at "phabphyl1 at you know the rest" and lets talk some music.

I also have found the group picture and listing of the family names very interesting - But - I am not familiar with the person Freddie McNulty, listed as "Band/Hawks Mascot". Could someone explain what his role was in the history of the group and was/is he related to one of the members? I don't seem to find a reference to him in either Levon's or Hoskyns book.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Happy St. Paddy's Day

Today I hear Richard's beautiful voice singing "Tura, Lura, Lura".


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Posted by:

Bill

John W: You're right about boycotts being an important tool of free speech. As to the other issue you mention, the "but hey ..." part of your last sentence isn't exactly sensitive to the life of "that girl". Think of that brave man with the shopping bags running back and forth in front of the tank at Tianamen Square. There the tank driver, even after a presumed lifetime of brainwashing, was still a more decent human being than the Israeli bulldozer driver.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: The Wisdom of Homer

To quote Homer Simpson - Ahh Rock Stars..,is there anything they don't know?


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: n y

"What A Wonderful World" - that's it. That may be "the" one. Nice choice. I get chills thinking of Richard singing it.

HAPPY ST. PADDY'S DAY


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Posted by:

John W.

Bush to Saddam: "Get ready, 'cause here I come..."

John D. - Nobody said the Dixie Chicks don't have freedom of speech, but if people want to trash their records over views they don't like, that's their privelege too... The "boycott" has always been a major tool for left wing causes against racism, etc. so how is it any different when the right wing does it... Also there is no comparing the Lennon issue when, as you say, Lennon's statement was taken out of context. He never said the Beatles were better than Jesus. I don't think the Dixie Chicks statement was taken out of context, i.e. "I'm ashamed and embarrassed that the U.S. President comes from Texas..."

Ed Voci - I feel bad for that girl too, but hey, when you make yourself a "human shield" and try to stand in the way of an army, what do you think is going to happen?


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois (where at this moment there is protest at the Israeli consulate conerning the killing of Rachel Carrie)

Subject: Al Edge, Gourds,

Al Edge, I'd much rather talk Gourds, but the world scene is pretty fugged up right now. As Neil Young recently said, the U.S. is about to make a "big mistake" and the murder of that young woman in Palestine by the Israeli bulldozer crew set me off last night. In any event, I got a ticket with your name on it for the Gourds show here at the Abbey Pub on March 28th. C'mon over and I'll buy you several pints of Bass, too. The Gourds may have ready a cover or two from The Band's catalogue, Kevin Russell has said.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Richard

Mine would essentially be standards, though there'd be nothing standard with Richard delivering them. Nothing too challenging. Enough higher notes for him to showboat. Enough lower for that effortless tone just to drawl and ooze out from every pore of the groove and show the world just what we're missing with him gone. God bless Richard.

All in the Game

Twelfth of Never

Lucky old Sun - maybe too obvious but still...

When I grow too old to Dream

Girl of My Dreams

Jersey Girl


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

PutEmUp: You can refer to us as the people who elected Jesse... and Lamont Cranston still plays though I think they lost a member recently... Their rockin' blues still holds up in my opinion... I used to drink and dance to them in the early 80's... fun band... I've got a compliation I pop in the Jeep every once in a while... they do a good Route 66...


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Yikes!!

Voci With A Vengeance.

Momentarily I have not the time to reply as I would care to, and will not reply again till I can in a manner as befits, but does not draw blood. I will say this, it is unfortunate that this world is not composed of more nations like Israel.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

"A young man serves his country" is, fortunately, seldom the same thing as "A young man goes to war".

I've been listening of late to Rick Danko singing that line on the CD "Upfront: Canadians Live From Mountain Stage". There are a number of beautiful performances - Cockburn, BNL, Crash Test Dummies, McGarrigles, Cowboy Junkies - but none more beautiful than Rick's. I'll nod belatedly to the GB's own occasional poster, Andy R, for the swell bg vocals. The audience dynamics are interesting: what I hear is that at one point, after a nice instrumental break, a few people start to applaud but quickly stop - so they don't miss any of the next sung bit, I assume. Then, after the next break, a determined few (maybe musicians themselves) bull on through with their applause for Tommy Spurlock's laudable contribution.

That reminded me of a concert of Christian religious music I went to a few years ago at the insistence of a neighbour. (He's Buddhist, so I didn't suspect his motives.) The first choir, 'the visiting team' sang some oldish songs - maybe Elizabethan or something - most impressively and the congregation bounced to its feet and applauded like crazy when they were done. Then 'the home team' sang some ancient minor-key songs in Aramaic, so hauntingly beautiful that not one person of the hundreds there did anything other than file silently out when they were finished. You knew that to applaud, or even speak, was just plain wrong.

Tying together the ideas of war (and war songs) and spine-tingling music, although we're not St Pats people we went to a local pub for a matinee performance yesterday by three real Irishmen calling themselves Black Abbott. They seem to come over hear every year at around this time for a handful of low-key gigs in little pubs in the west end. We sat with a couple who'd caught them by accident at one place on Saturday, went to the matinee at another place on Sunday, followed the band to another nearby place yesterday evening. Who knows, maybe they'll be there tonight - at the Galway Arms on the Queensway for those interested. No Band link, if you were wondering, though they did Dylan's ("Knockin' On Heaven's Door" and "Don't Think Twice" among the melancholia and pennywhistle stuff (which was, as I said spine-tingling).


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: ED

Gotta say - I'd rather talk Gourds. Never one to back away but dems gourd beeble - All the Labor - yeowww!!!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Van Morrison

Most of Van Morrison's catalog, originally released by Warner Bros., from 1971's "Tupelo Honey" forward has been reissued, begining in 1997 by Polydor. Somehow, Polydor acquired to the rights to reissue these albums, but I don't know what happened with his first two albums on WB, "Astral Weeks" and "Moondance". The definitive versions of those two, for me, are the green label WB LPs. Look for those in used record stores & burn your own CD-R versions.


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Posted by:

Jeb Stuart

Subject: The Gallant Pelham

A young man serves his country and an old man guards the home


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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: Richard

Oh Lil, you are so right. To hear Richard sing WONDERFUL WORLD certainly would make my life a more Wonderful World.

The memories come flowing back to the early 60's at the Brock Ballroom in Peterborough Canada and Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks with Richard doing the Great Pretender and You Don't Know Me. I still get the shivers. shineonpaulg


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Dixie Chicks

Quote from Yahoo News this morning. "One station in Kansas City, Missouri held a Dixie Chicks "chicken toss" party Friday morning, where Chick critics were encouraged to dump the group's tapes, Cd's and concert tickets into trash cans."

Interesting to note that some things haven't changed in 40 years since John Lennon of The Beatles made his "we're more popular that Jesus Christ" comment; which was taken out of context and then the burning of vinyl began especially in my beloved south. I notice that Ms. Maines has now apologized about her comments regarding the President. I'm sure after a lot of talk with their record company and the fact that country stations were "pulling" their CD from the airwaves and the thought of losing money changed her mind. One pays a large price for what once was known as "free speech." Turns out it's not "free" at all.......it'll cost you partner.


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Richard Manuel, BEG/RR/Amazing Grace, PutEmUp, Al Edge

1. Richard Manuel should have sung every song ever written, but especially “The Letter”, originally by the Box Tops, Amazing Grace, and “Blues To Go” from the “School for Fools” CD. And, btw, Levon, you recorded with the terrific “School for Fools” ensemble, why aren’t you touring with it? Larry Thurston, Johnny Johnston, Jimmy Eppard, Tom Maloney, Rich McDonough, Mike Dunn, etc....c’mon give us a break!

2. Speaking of Amazing Grace, Brown Eyed Girl, after your reference to the “On Any Given Sunday” Vol. II soundtrack, I bought it just to listen to RR’s guitar version. I loved it, but it’s way too short. Btw, the Al Pacino locker room speech is the best, most powerful speech since the Gettysburg address.

3. What color was the acid that PutEmUp took when he spun out of control from the point of my missed cymbal shot? On the other hand, they guy I defended for “relocating” RR’s unused guitars was found guilty of the grandest theft imaginable and sentenced to extreme cruel and unusual punishment (15 to 20 years swatting flies on the wall).

4. What color was the acid that PutEmUp took when he claimed that Israel, a state birthed and maintained through terrorism, is something other than a military outpost bankrolled and technified by the U.S. to serve the U.S.’s domination of the Arab peninsula/oil?

5. Al Edge: I love the fact that a fuggin’ Brit has a deeper and better political analysis of America and knows more about American politics than most Yanks, particularly the tropical-drink-with-a-tiny-umbrella-in-it sipping JtullFan. And, Al, what color acid did you take when you softened up to PutEmUp’s political dribble? Sure the guy’s a sweetheart and funny, but c’mon, he succumbed to Bushron’s propaganda on Saddam-as-threat and doesn’t get the profundity of Bushron’s National Security Strategy (i.e. the explicit vision and planning for world domination through preemptive war that you know about, but so few Yanks know about, or if they do know about it, they don't see the train wreck coming). JtullFan, one more thing: it’s a fact that just prior to the 2000 election, Jeb Bush prevented from voting, by striking from the authorized voter lists, 50,000 black democrats who, it is certain, would have voted overwhelmingly for Gore and given him the presidency. So not only was the election rigged, it was rigged in the blatantly racist tradition of Jim Crow.


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Posted by:

ThreeTimeLoser

Location: Wash, DC/Boston

Is it totally out of line to ask if there is anyone out there that I can get a blank CD too that can get me the second day of Roosevelt Stadium? If this is not appropriate, I appologize, let me know and it won't happen again. -Ali


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

My previous post was in regard to "A Recent Memory" btw.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

May there be no more innocent victims claimed by the evils of Terrorism.


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Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: RRHOF '03

What can I say but it was interesting. Loved the inductions by Elton John and Steven Tyler. Nice to know that good ol' Billy (Joel) is doing fine. Great to hear Costello mention Ricky as one of his influences. The Righteous Brothers were AWESOME! Talk about vocalists who haven't lost it! Bones, since you were there, did they do any other songs?

Some disappointments I found were:

NO JAMS!!!!!!!!!!

ONLY 2 hours for the show (more like highlights).

Sting practically turned the Police performances into Jazz pieces.

Mo Ostin's induction was chopped out.

The Sidemen category chopped out.

What happened to the rest of AC/DC's induction speech?

Tom Morello's wooden speech (thank God for The Edge!)

Gwen Stefani's rambling Absolutely no performace related to The Clash (even for a jam)

John Mayer singing at the HOF???

Tracy


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Hey Dave Z, have you ever seen the Butanes play in Minneapolis? I understand that they are quite good. An old friend of mine used to work with them on occassion., Minneapolis is their home base. what about Lamont Cranston. ie he still running around out there? I remember him having a few hits in the late 70s or early 80s, and if I remember , he is also a Minneapolitan. Is there a better name to use for people who inhabit Minneapolis?


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Posted by:

Kelly S. Ford

Location: USA

Subject: A Distant Memory

To Maj.John Pelham, USMA class of '61, KIA 3/17/63. A toast to your memory. And a prayer that we don't lose any more of America's young men to the wastes of war.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Looks like little Maury got screwed on the DVD-Audio release... somebody cropped most of the little guy out of the picture... Cousin Paul, you look like quite the little sharpie yerself... I hope the fellas played some music for you after the shoot... and maybe shared some good eats...

Hey G-man, today I was cranking Big Foot... while munching on spicy pistachios... shucking shells with my little Mafoo... all-the-while trying to re-string his little First Act acoustic guitar... he's a lefty, so we had to switch things around a bit... never a dull moment... anyway, I couldn't tell if it was the spicy pistacios (say that real fast ten times) or the Big Foot CD that was making my mustache sweat so much... hey Dad, Mafoo says... Pisatcio rhymes with mustache... that's right I say, for something like the five hundredth time today... you guys are having fun learning your rhymes...

When you Texans come to... I'd love to hear more reviews on how our frito burrito deluxe bandito did Saturday night?... Pehr, were you one of the lucky luckies?... btw Pehr, I'm gonna finish the mural this summer... I'm pulling out all the stops and enlisting the kids big time... be bold my mentor says... be bold...

Good night all... It's foggy in Mpls... and all our snow has melted from these nice near 60 temps...


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Posted by:

Tracy

::grin:: Merci! Really, it was no problem whatsoever. I was a little bored and looked at the album for MFBP and opened it. Then I just thought, justice is needed and so are some names with these 33 faces.

So, Paul, you're the one that's up in front? I wasn't sure if it was correct but were Rick's cousins and neices and nephews around the same age? I thought he was an uncle to all of the children in the front. Now, was little Maury needing to use the bathroom while Mr. Landy was taking those pictures? Also, was there any wife swapping for Richard with Dominique? LOL!! Who was that, Pat who mentioned it, I think? (holding hands) It looks like Richard's hand is tucked under his other arm, as if crossed, but then again, who knows?

Tracy


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Next of Kin Photo/ Tracy

Cool!! Tracy R. You just blew my mind, what a great thing YOU just done for this site. I hope WE did some justice for perhaps the nicest people who wondered all these years just who are these people?? More stuff to come, but like Rick always told me,watch who you share with. P.S. Aunt Jean was over for supper tonight and she give me poop, Uncle Charlie was actually Uncle Lelo.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Ben, you are a lucky dog.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Ben Pike = you lucky son-of-a-gun. Hangin' around Ringo. Cool

Steve = The Beatles had one of those Fender VI guitars toward the end. There is a great book called "Beatles Gear" that shows the history of their intrument use, and there is a photo of one and they talk about it. The guitar is also shown a couple of times in the "Let It Be" movie. John is playing it on the song "Dig It".

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com


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Posted by:

Steve the Vintage Fender Freak

Location: Indiana

Subject: Fender VI

Thank you for the information about the Fender VI six-string bass, I discovered several things I didn't know before. Your site is great, keep up the good work! Very well done!


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Austin, Texas, Richard

The Continental Club in Austin, Texas. I bet that was a great show with a huge crowd. Austin is the perfect music town for Garth--the people are sophisticated musically and so appreciative--I hope they let him leave!

Speaking of Texas and the Richard thread--Richard could have done every song on Doyle Bramhall, Sr's new album, Fitchburg Street. Doyle and Richard have similar vocal styles and performed many of the same songs during their careers. My favorite is John Lee Hooker's "Dimples." Richard would have given the girls a wild case of the swoons.


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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Well, you can write this off as tall tales and I wouldn't hold it again ya. Out on a bidness trip to Hollyweird, and old friend of mine called me up fer help; seems a record company had hired her to produce, on the CHEAP, a loss leader video for one Richard Starkey, a tribute record to his old friend George. Not knowing what I was letting myself in for, I agreed to move stuff around for 48 hours for a very nominal fee. I will spare you the gorey details about THAT aspect of the adventure, but will report that I spent most of yesterday in a (should be utterly) abandoned theatre with the ringed one watching him do dub alongs to a song called "Never Alone." It was pouring rain all day, kinda scary towards the end when it was dripping through the ceiling around all the lights and such. Anyway, it got done. You heard it here first. The song isn't bad. Ringo was very nice, looks great, and everybody likes him.


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: jamie

Jamie, had a look at your site, pretty cool, I like the Edward Gibbon quote, here's another we'd do well to take note of :)

That which is written should be studied with sympathetic mildness and not tortured on the rack, like a helpless prisoner, until it yields up opinions it never held. —John of Salisbury, (12th c.)


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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: dreaming the impossible

Talk about the bizarre........had a dream last night, Iwas at some music production. In the audience, and seated behind me were Butch and Levon, and a few seats to my right, Robbie R . The vibe of impending war and devastation was in the air. At some point , with a glass of beer in his hand(we all had a glass) Levon stood up and said , "Here's to God!" and at that , Robbie stepped overwith his glass, I with mine , Butch, and we had a toast! Friggin weird eh? I'm not much of church goer,unless that church is a backcountry ski bowl or high up on a rock wall, but I thought that was pretty cool. Considering that dreams are made up of the same matter as you and I,then technically , all these characters have actually toasted!! Impossible! Now if that can happen, maybe we can avoid this war after all!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

jamie

Location: Charlottesville, Va
Web: My link

Subject: Serendipity...

Life's an odd turn sometimes.

I just got my band's website back up a coupla weeks ago. I put a link to The Band on it. I was doing some searching for my band's name, and lo and behold, it turned up here.

I knew I loved this site for a reason. : )


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Posted by:

Tom

Location: Austin

Subject: Garth in Austin

Burrito Deluxe - Continental Club - Austin 3/15/03 8pm Garth with Sneaky Pete Kleinow, et al, with guests Jo-el Sonnier and Jim Lauderdale 1. Cash on the Barrelhead 2. Wheels 3. Hickory Wind 4. When I Paint My Masterpiece 5. Working Man Blues 6. w/Joel Sonnier - ? title 7. w/ Jim Lauderdale - Halfway Down -end- more complete post soon...


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: RONNIE HAWKINS & THE HAWKS

It's 11 p.m. I have to be up at 4 a.m. I'm listening to the double CD of Ronnie Hawkins and The Hawks on Sequel Records. As the expression goes, "remember when we didn't make a whole lot of money; but we had a hell of a good time." Ronnie thanks for bringing everyone to the table. The sound of Levon's drums is rather unique on the early tunes with Will "Pop" Jones & Jimmy Ray Paulman. Sounds like cardboard boxes..."Peggy Sue" feel.


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Posted by:

Pam Marsh (Misty Moon Halifax)

Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Web: My link

Subject: Hello to Levon

Hi Levon - It was great meeting you when you were here with the Cate Brothers and later when you brought The Band to the Misty Moon and thrilled us all. I have my own CD now,all my own songs,and the song "Rest Easy" was inspired by you all. If you want one of my CD's, please visit my website and contact me - I would be delighted to hear from you. Thanks again for all the magic you have given us. Pam Marsh


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Okay Rick, give it up. What are you talking about?


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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Subject: Bottom Line Weekend

Why not make it a Bottom Line (Greenwich Village, New York City) weekend? Friday night- the Jim Weider Band. Saturday night- the Ringo Starr Band.


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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

I always thought it would be interesting to hear Richard sing "Fool Yourself" by Little Feat. My greatest wish would have been Richard singing "Georgia On My Mind" with Van and Ray Charles. Listening to Richard sing has always hit a special cord with me, especially when he sang, "Share Your Love".


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Richard

I would love to have heard Richard sing Jackson Browne's "For a Dancer".


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Posted by:

Lil

For some reason, I always wanted to hear Richard do Louis Armstrong's "What a wonderful world".....


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

For some reason I could envision Richard giggling his way through a cover of Barry Manilow's "Mandy"... or maybe "Song Sung Blue" by, was it Bobby Vinton?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Elton & Van & paper mini-dresses

Madman Across The Water is a very “Bandy album” because it includes “Levon” and “Tiny Dancer” (see Almost Famous), but the retro shot is of a Victorian bunch of people with musician’s names under – it isn’t REAL relatives. My favourite Elton album whatever. If he owed 50% of that album to The Band, he owed even more on Tumbleweed Connection.

John D – I’d have to look it up, but Van was indeed “ticked off” (which is a euphemism) with WB and management and the raw deal on the WB albums. It must be a pain knowing that everytime you do Madame George someone you loathe profits. Never stopped the 90s Band from doing The Weight, but there you go!

Just watched a TV programme on 1960s design – they showed a 1965 paper mini dress with a print of Subterranean Homesick era Dylan right across it. That is something I’d frame and put on the wall! Never knew it existed.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Ok - Here's a few tunes that popped into my head as songs I'd enjoy hearing Richard sing - in no particular order, except the first two =

"Long As I Can See The Light" - CCR

"All By Myself" - Eric Carmen

"Isn't It A Pity" - George Harrison

"Love Me Tender" - Elvis

"My Love" - Paul McCartney

"Alway's A Woman" - Billy Joel

"Pretty Girl" - Eric Clapton

"Love In Vain" - Rolling Stones (via Robert Johnson)


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: JOE F

I remember hearing a story from many sources that Van; after leaving WB and going to Polygram, never really liked performing his WB material. I don't know if he was ticked at WB or; those years were a part of his past and he wasn't crazy about looking back. I know this doesn't answer your question; but I thought I would add a little to the story. Mr. Viney?


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Imitation: The Finest Form of Flattery

I seem to remember Elton John sort of doing his own version of the "Next of Kin" shot on Madman Across The Water. A very Bandy album. He should have sent half the royalties from that one directly to The Band!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: RM Fantasy album

I agree, Charlie- the Jackson Browne I can see done by Richard would be "The Shape of A Heart".


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: That Richard Manuel Fantasy Album

I'm easing back into my regular routine after some surgery last week, but have spent the last couple of days entertaining thoughts on the thread about songs I wish Richard Manuel would have recorded (though I imagine that computer technology could similute the process one of these days). Anyway, there are not many songs that Richard's singing could not have improved in some way, including over-recorded tunes like McCartney's "Yesterday," or Brian Wilson's "God Only Knows," but one of the first songs that came to mind was one someone else mentioned: John Hiatt's "Have a Little Faith." The talk of the brilliant Jackson Browne makes me wonder what some of his somber ballads might have turned into under Richard's lead vocals--songs such as "These Days" or "Fountain of Sorrow" come to mind. The recent mention of Fred Neil here also made me imagine Richard interpreting some of that writer's classics including "Everybody's Talking" and "The Dolphin." I could hear Richard singing Tim Hardin's "Misty Roses" and making it his own. Lots of the work of contemporary singer-songwriters like Ron Sexsmith, Lucinda Williams would have been perfect material for Richard, as would any number of classic songs by greats ranging from Elvis Costello to Hank Williams. I hope someone develops that computer program soon...


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Posted by:

E N

Web: My link

Subject: It's a wonderful world

Peter: IMHO the best Jackson Browne album is "The Pretender" while all his albums are super

Amanda: I fear that the clip of Jean-Jacques Goldman "Comme Toi" is the only respectable one in the WEB. I had a good surprise when seaching. The song was also performed by Alabina (the link) a Spanish-Arabish-Jewish band whose songs are from the three cultures, The world has a future...Thanks also for the Dylan line...Thanks for everythings Amanda...How many JJG are there in the world...i believe there's a JJG in each of us...Alabina, a pretty surprise to end the day and start the Passover.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Subject: Ed Voci Fully Recovered And Thriving

excerpt from this just in Associated Press release: "..... Mr. Voci woke to find his wife, children, and friend PutEmUp at his side. Surprised and touched that PutEmUp was so far from home, Voci asked, 'Dukes, you really came this distance to check on my welfare?'. PutEm Up replied that he gladly would of, however this time it was just one of those simple twists of fate. He had gone to Chicago to interview at the Center For Distressed Robertsonians, a institute kept very hush hush by the music industry heiarchy. Seeing Voci's apparent discomfort at the mention od Distressed Robertsonian's ,Of PutEmUp explained the mission of the center, which is not to promote the Robertsonian cause, but actually to help disillusioned, and dissatisfied Robertsonians, those who have come out of the ether so to speak, and are having serious problems accepting reality .Mr. Voci, upon learning that he was indeed in a place where he felt a human connection, perked right up, rolled up his sleeves , and dug in to help the poor souls.

Of particilar interest to Mr. Voci is the plight of a man arrested while breaking in to Robbie's home studio and caught in the act of stealing 3 of his guitars, used in the old Band day's. The perpetrator insisted that he was not stealing the guitars for monetary gain, but as Mr. Voci valiantly explained to the judge and jury this morning :'my client was attempting to reposition or relocate the guitars since he believes they have suffered from not only lack of, but also misuse. That guitars that have experienced the fretwork and sound such as they had during the Band heydays should not be allowed to languish. My client , your honor, should not be punished, but honored, as a willing martyr in the cause of Rock and Roll, culture, and good music. This world needs more people like him willing to place themselves on the line in order to promote the cause of meaningful art, and forever fight against the perpetuation of schlock.'

Mr. Voci has stated that he feels honored to handle this case, and that it is a highlight of his legal career. Mrs. Voci stated that she has not seen Mr. Voci this inspired in years, and a bystander reported that she seemed to be in a hurry to get her husband home..."


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Old Brown Van (Oldfield, Browne & Van M)

EN- a nice 1978 list. I’m particularly fond of Mike Oldfield’s “Incantations” for its version of the Song of Hiawatha by Sally Oldfield. On Jackson Browne’s “Running on Empty” I was going to start a trawl back through Browne’s albums (I only have three which is not enough) but I see that six albums, including Running on Empty, are due for the complete remastering and reissue exercise in the next month. So I shall wait.

Joe F. – reading the recent biography of Van, it seems that he’s on a very poor deal on the rights of at least Astral Weeks and Moondance, possibly the other two as well. My guess is that he won’t let anyone else remaster them – quite rightly – but that if he re-does them himself, he will only be putting money in the pockets of thse who ripped him off in the first place. Not that either album would benefit from remixing in any way, but I think they could do with a digital dusting off.


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Posted by:

Joe F

Location: Albany, NY

Subject: Van Morrison

There are a number of GBers who know a lot more about the music biz than me, so I thought I would ask this question. I'm sitting here listening to Astral Weeks and wondering why Warner Bros. has not remastered Van's classic cds (i.e., Moondance, AS, Tupelo Honey & VM and the Street Choir). Could VM be blocking it? Just wondering. joe


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: EN

I listened to the clip of 'Comme toi'---it was about 42 seconds. Was there a longer clip? I haven't had French instruction since I was fifteen, but lots of ROCKABILLY! :o)


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Posted by:

E N

I posted too fast, Amanda How it is good to read you again and again. Thanks for 'Comme toi' Please dont stop at the lyrics, i wish you listen to the song, it gives an other kind of emotions...Please (i know it's not rockabilly)


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines
Web: My link

Subject: NBC - Pilger/U.S.-U.K. relations... POLITICS - Scroll On By!

Al Edge: "I suppose with respect what I'm probably asking is - 'anyone on here know if the essence of what this guy Pilger is saying is valid or not'? Not simply your political stance..."

The essence of the Pilger article IS a political stance. How on earth do you expect feedback from others concerning it's "validity" without them stating THEIR political stance?

Anyways, here's an interesting article from the Village Voice dated March 13 that deals with a few economic issues and the supposed U.S./U.K. “coalition“. Al, I've provided a link above to James Ridgeway's series of articles in the Voice called "War Watch". They should give you some of the background you are looking for...

Are We in for a Stock Market Crash?

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Are we in for a crash? Today London stock prices plunged to lows not seen since 1995. Shares in Paris dropped to one-third of what they were worth in 2000. Japan's stock market collapsed last week, placing the big Japanese banks at risk. In the U.S., where shares have been steadily losing ground, there is growing concern over giants like Citigroup and ExxonMobil. With U.S. oil prices at $37 or so a barrel and crude oil stocks down, prices are set to move higher still. Natural gas prices are through the roof. Germany is in worse shape than it has been since the Great Depression. "The 70 percent drop in equity prices since March 7, 2000, now threatens to take on historic proportions," Merrill Lynch said in a recent report on Germany. "This represents a final sell-off in this stage of the bear market—panic and capitulation in the valley of death," says the BBC, quoting David Franklin, director, Christows Stockbrokers.

Bush couldn't care less. He goes merrily on his supply-side defense-spending binge iced with tax reductions for the very rich. Iraq? As always, Donald Rumsfeld's big mouth shows why no one in their right mind would ever agree to a coalition with Bush. Now he says the U.S. can go it alone not only without the UN but also without our supposed blood brother, the UK. That leaves the U.S. and pip-squeak Spain at the head of a handful of beaten-up little African nations to lead the mighty international coalition against Saddam.

Our coalition with Britain was never a coalition to start with. It was just Bush conning Tony Blair. Blair did his job as best he could and now he can go. He fabricated proof of a supposed uranium buy by Iraq in Niger. That turned out to be bullshit. He provided facts to back up the Bush's case against Iraq in the UN, and later for Secretary of State Powell. The real stuff. Just like Adlai Stevenson presented to the UN during the Cuban missile crisis. Which as it turned out was a plagiarized graduate thesis and a rip-off of a Janes's Defense Weekly dating back more than a decade. The British government looked so silly that its own intelligence service fled the sinking ship, leaking documents that contradicted Blair, Bush, and Powell. Public opinion may yet force him out of Labor Party leadership.

But it really doesn't matter to Bush, because the war in Iraq is as certain as one of his Texas executions. No matter what evidence is presented, it's going to happen. As for Britain, as Rumsfeld told reporters yesterday: "Their situation is distinctive to their country and they have a government that deals with a parliament in their own distinctive way." Yeah. It's called common law.

Sam: What did I say? I'm really a very nice guy.


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Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Babu / Butch/ Next of Kin photo

Babu, Nice site.

Excellent work providing the next of kin chart ( in "What's new")

Butch, I'm really jealous this time..thanks for the update about the Hummingbirds' sessions.


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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Dixie Hummingbirds, PutEmUp, EN, Next of Kin

Butch: Thank you for the updates on the Dixie Hummingbirds sessions. I read a bit about Ira Tucker---a baritone at thirteen years old---and still going almost 60 years later. How many boys have a distinct baritone at thirteen??? It is a beautiful thing to know that after 40+ years of a working and personal relationship---Garth and Levon can still get together once in awhile and make sparks. Thanks, also, for sharing the part about Richard's voice. I think it is pretty touching to give that to us Band obsessed folks.The post you gave a month or so ago about the first Dixie Hummingbirds session---I don't remember your exact words, but it was something like---creating this music meant so much to Levon because his Mother loved southern gospel. I'll just be real girlie and say HOW SWEET. It is a fortunate world that has the authentic and generous musical spirits of Garth Hudson and Levon Helm.

PutEmUp: "It is rare that I see anyone or anything that exhibits real dedication or pride." That is a great line and SO real and SO sad.

EN: The lyrics to "Comme Toi" are lovely. "I'm seein' your world of people and things, Your paupers and peasants and princes and kings."---Bob Dylan.

Tracy: Thanks for the photo and chart. I really enjoyed checking the whole thing out in detail.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Levon, Garth, Tony Garnier, Larry Campbell. Only one ingredient that make the perfect recipe more perfect; Bob Dylan. I am betting that it happens. The man has to be feeling the itch.


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Posted by:

E N

Subject: The Year of TLW and Disco, or Sincerly Peter You're the best

I was just thinking about the title 'Jewish Easter" of my last post, translated literally from French, while the English term is more exactly "Passover" (sorry) - Then the word Easter reminded me of a famous album of Patti Smith released in 1978, and, i always reminded of 1978 as a specially rich year in high quality albums. Then arrived the post of Peter. Although my meditation stands at a lower level , that encouraged me to post the list of all I get (and bought) for albums released that year.

Patti Smith - Easter
Dire Straits - Sultan of Swing
Santana - Moonflower
10 CC - Dreadlock Holiday - The best Reggae song i ever heard, with very cute lyrics
Sniff'n the Tears - Trickle Freak
Gerry Rafferty - Baker Street
Jackson Browne - Running on empty
Neil Young - Comes a time
Alan Parson Project - Pyramyd
Mike Oldfield - Icantations
Bob Marley - Kaya
Bob Dylan - Master Pieces
Toto - I

There remain a wealth of other 1978 albums which are of a real high quality, but not enough to stuff the GB

And last but not least - The Triple Album, The begining of the beginning of the end of the beginnning

Note: I didnt list any Disco album - some are good (Abba)

Until today i am still impressed by the coincidental anachronical creativity of the rock of year 1978 - Thanks again Peter


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Next of Kin photo

Many thanks for Cousin Paul’s info and for Tracy’s work doing the chart for the Next of Kin picture (see What’s New). What a pity this wasn’t included in the recent remaster sleeve notes. Well, still time for the next box set! Though I have this on the Toshiba –EMI remastered CD, I never managed to acquire an original US Big Pink LP and thought it was a huge shame that the recent vinyl remaster from EMI reproduced not only the poor British sleeve, but also the overprinted ‘second version’ of the British sleeve, which I think is post 1970. If you look through the various ‘Album Cover Albums’, or Michael Ochs ‘1000 Album Covers’ you see how often rock cover designs ‘feed’ on earlier covers. Abbey Road and Sergeant Pepper have had about five pastiches each, but there are loads of other examples of echoing. But I don’t think anyone ever imitated the concept of the Next of Kin photo. Or am I wrong?

Eras of rock music. Talking about the recently reunited Bangles this morning, I realized that to me they come “after” the classic rock era (and therefore are seen as ‘contemporary’). The Bangles are alphabetically related to The Band - every time you look at the Band section in a record store, tThe Band are rubbing up against the Bangles. Uh, well, I didn't mean it like that. I realized I divide rock into pre-1978 and post-1978. This happens to coincide with the release of TLW, and is also just after the punk watershed. However, on reflection the reason I hold this mental division is really ‘before we had kids’ and ‘after we had kids’ so it’s personal rather than a reflection of what happened in music. Wondered if I was alone in this sort of subconcious mental category?

Mojo gives Burrito DeLuxe’s Georgia Peach a four star review this month.


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Posted by:

babukishan

Location: india
Web: My link

Subject: worldmusic/babukishan

hi....babu


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Aruba, spoiling my vacation with politics

Subject: Back for just a moment

Uncle Uncle Uncle, ok let's pull back from this. I don't ask you non-Aericans to love us or agree with Americans all the time. I do ask that you realize that since 9/11 things have changed for us, and their are sensitivities exposed that ordinarily aren't. We need to deal with terrorism, Iraq, and ultimately North Korea and Iran. Each is interelated yet not at the same time, yet all threaten our (Americans) safety and security and ultimately the world's to differing degrees. We are the biggest and most obvious target. Just the way it is, and there is no cavalry around the bend that is going to save us. We have to do it ourselves, which is fine provided countries we thought our friends don't actively work againts us, which is not the same as merely standing aside. America is not perfect, no one is, and if you want to spend all day listing our dirty secrets I'm sure you can, BUT, as many will be false as true, and many are stereotypes just as offensive to us as it would be to say that all jews are bankers, etc. etc. You may not realize it, and we don't often complain, but times of crisis such as this are not the times to do it. It's not a Bush thing or a Clinton thing, republican or democratic thing where security is concerned. So Al, no hard feelings from me. You just hit a sore spot.. PEACE.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Al, as you indicated you hoped, I had also hoped that Brien Sz meant to say , who's next, here we go again.I decided to interpret it that way, for the sake of peace. Your interpretation of the general, original version and application of capitalism as a get up off your ass and do it mentality is pretty damn correct, and to a large degree, still alive and well. It only becomes sinister on large levels, the largest of levels, those of Enron,etc, and Bushron, to quote Ed Voci.

Having the opportunity to work day and night,and become financially fit or affluent, is still viable here. Unfortunately, it is also more likely that if you are not willing to be creative with your ethics, that you will work day and night and get nowhwere. People who make the capitalist dream come true here today, generally do cheat, rob and steal in some form.If not actually literally, frequently in the quality and their intended quality. Goods and services are not of the quality they used to be, indeed, expectations are lower too. Most people are surprised when they have a good buying experience. It is not the norm anymore.

I do not blame this on capitalism, or human nature. I blame it on television. The entire world has been raised on visions of great houses, great cars, gorgeous people, everyone living the good life. Therefore, the new generation thinks they have that coming as a birthright. They are unaware of dues paying, that goes for Americans born here, and a vast amount of immigrants recently arrived here. If i sound jaded, or like a old fart, well I am neither,just someone who has lived his life in the street, and dealing with people. Very few people give a baby's, or a an adult's rats ass about what they are doing anymore. Things are good enough unless someone really screams. Of course, i can't say thatis a hard and fast and applies to everyone. If that was the case, might as well pull the plug on the universe right now. But,It is rare thatI see anyone or anything that exhibits real dedication or pride. And I would rather find beauty in the world , than ugliness. I am looking for good, not evil. But it is increasingly less visible.

Smile when you are walking down the street, and some people will smile back. But increasingly, I suspect more people are thinking, that smiling idiot, he sure is an easy mark. Think I'll go smile back and pick the fucker's pocket. Capitalism, and I still love it. Got to take the good with the bad, and keep your money in your sock, tape the top of the sock to your leg.


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Posted by:

E N

Web: My link

Subject: A good post for the Jewish Easter Hollyday

After my last post, a model of what the Arab-Jews relations must be, and have been by the past, i'm seing that things go in the opposite sense in the GB. I dont understand if the world is taking benefit of the endless Israelo-Arab conflict. Anyway.
I think that those who believe, through the deforming mirror of the 20th century events, in the Genetic hatred between Jews and Arabs, have a complete ignorance of history and knowledge of the soul of the two peoples. Many amalgams are done in today's mad world between Nazism-Intifda-Hamas-Arab-Jew-Sionism-Group Stern, Jewish demagogy - etc....Ridiculous, I am an Arab and i am well aware about all that stuff...Unfortunately, most Arabs and Jews sustain the same confusion.

Here are some True Historical references for our common memory:

1 - When Tancred, King of Jerusalem attacked Cairo during the first crusade , on 25 July 1100, the city was defended by a certain Benjamin Ben Egra, who formed a milice essentially composed by Jews
2 - Moreh Nevuchim (Guide for the Perplexed) is written in Arabic language by Moshe Ben Maimon (Maimonide) the disciple of Ibn Rochd (Averroes), who was also the intimate doctor of Salaheddine (Saladin)
3 - I'm born in the principal Jewish town of Algeria, a lot of childhood friends of mine emigrated in Israel, some are dead, are Palestinians closer to me only for administrative reasons ?
4 - Jean Jacques Goldman, see my last post.....

The world is blind today, The real Pacifist battle must be transposed in an other Area, or Is the World affraid by a normaization between Israel and the Arabian World ?

Oppositely to many posters, i am perhaps the more concerned by this question, i do my best to avoid it in my posts. The Israelo-Arab problem is omnipresent, people cannot feel it like i feel it. The same Palabras are repeated since 1956, in 2003 The question remains at its starting point, what can a few posts add
And our remarkable host Jan is really patient, I'm afraid of wanderring 40 years in the Desert, again

Al Edge, Brien Sz, PickupEm, Jtull Fan, I am still your Best friend, Dont blame me please, I am not giving lessons....

To my Jews friends in the GB: Holly Sabath


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Al "The Razor's" Edge

Alan: What?!??!?! You mean that King Arthur and his gallant knights will NOT one day come riding in to deliver us from every evil under the sun?!?!?!!? Oh well, I'll have to all my faith in Godzilla helping out! : )


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Posted by:

Al 'on' Edge

Subject: PutemUp

Not sure of the precise implications of your comment Brien - I can summise - but I'm not exactly sure if you were being disparaging. Such uncertainty is inevitably the case with a terse comment on this medium. As you're such a decent soul I assume it was in the same vein as Sam's - oh shit here we go again. If so I tend to agree as you might have already gathered from my immediate regret at posting.

That said I thank you so kindly Putemup for going to all that time and trouble to address my uncertainty. You have certainly helped me gain some further valuable insight by your own uncertainties.

I have always believed in the USA - as a country and more significantly as a concept.

Right wing slanted Brits - those not blinded by their belief that King Arthur and his gallant knights will one day come riding in to deliver us from every evil under the sun - have always found America an easy option to support. Socialist orientated folk - like myself - have tended to have their views somewhat tainted by the remorseless capitalism that drives your nation. It is often the case their views of America are jaundiced by their suspicion of those perceptions.

Personally, I have never had that problem. I have always felt such a concept sits comfortably with the broad inherent American personality and spirit. That get up off yer ass and JUST do it mentality - as opposed to the sit back and whine about it converse mentality - makes perfect sense of the 'capitalist' mentality for me. I know that's simplistic but how else do you deal with these things.

Above all I have always believed that America - and more so Americans as a broad people - are - on balance - for the greater good. Pilger's article shook me on that score as it made it seem there was a distinct hint of the greater good being submerged by a desire for something more sinister.

Your response has helped me in this regard Putemup. It has given me more food for deliberation. And I shall now do just that.

again - if Jan is reading this - I would stress that above all I don't believe this really is the place nor the time to be debating something so emotive and likely to kick off a ruckus. I would ask Jan again to delete the relevant posts to avoid any furore.


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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: The state of the horse

PutEmUp didn't think the horse was dead enough..., next!


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Posted by:

Fred

I want more info about these "upcoming" Garth recordings.....concrete information, not speculation!!

But moving onto the speculation front......a Garth/Levon collaboration (& not just one or two tracks, but a CD's worth of music) what would that sound like?


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Subject: I will probably pay for this post

My good friend Al Edge. I understand your wanting to attempt to unearth the truth. It is a humane and natural desire. Let me say I that I agree with and understand your willingness to give up that search on this topic. It would be a lifelong project. I will attempt to give you a very piecemeal synopsis of my take and opinions on the whole issue. This will be way too brief to accurately portray the depth of my emotions on the issue, and also will not accurately portray my limited knowledge of the subject.

I was born a Democrat, I still and will vote Democrat . I will die a Democrat unless Alzheimer’s strikes me a low blow.

I will start out with saying that I believe that Saddam Hussein is very real danger to the United States and the entire world for that matter. I feel George Bush did an incomplete job in the first Gulf War. I do also feel that George W. Bush is an umethical, unelected President, incompetent, self motivated and self gratifying,. He is a lowlife prick coincidentally also born into privilege and money, and in reality, does not know what the hell he is doing in the presidency. Do I believe in or support the concept of war? No. Would I like to see and live in a world without war? Yes. Do I believe that that is a possibility in my lifetime or in this world? No. In this world, there has always been war. Unfortunately human nature encompasses both beauty and ugliness. There will always be those who want what someone else has, and will attempt to take it thru trickery, force, or treachery, or all three. This translates into the behavior of clans, states, and nations.

Is it possible that Dubya is starting this war to further his own cause in the oil business, and position American corporate interests better. Of course, Is it likely, of course. Does that mean that Saddam Hussein’s reign is not a real threat to the world and the US? , NO. Does it matter why he hates the US ? No!

I S Norman Mailer a knee jerk idealogue? No.

Was Pilger’s article slanted ? Of course, as you indicated. Just how far he took things out of context could not be measured without a lot of research and expenditure of time, a lot of reading.

Unfortunately, war ain’t going away. Crazy power mongers ain’t going away. There will always those who want to rule the world, enslave people, and exert their influence. Either through military means, or economic means. Iraqs and North Koreas do present a danger. But I also believe that the pre Fascist state Mailer writes about is not too far from approximating the country in which I live. Perhaps more accurately I should state that i believe that state which Mailer writes about to be the goal of George W. Bush and his ilk. Bush and Cheney and their buddiesare doing everything they can to make it possible for just a few privileged corporations and the officers that run them, to control the American economy. The average schmuck does not have a chance. Right now, Amercians on the whole, are still fortunate. Even as we are sinking into debt, one family at a time, further and further.. But the average guy here does not have it as well as he did under Clinton.Cinton gave us a chance to live for a little while. Reagan set it up so everyone got deeply indebted, at high and userous interest rates, while money was flowing everywhere. Under Bush senior we were dying.People were strangleholded. By the time Clinton came in things were real rough. Thank god we had a President (Clinton) who had the good sense to get his pipes well cleaned so he would be in a good mood and want to let the American public share in his good mood, have a few bucks in their pockets and be able to breathe easy.

So what am I saying? I support the notion of getting rid of Saddam Hussein and his nuclear capability. Do I want to see people die? No. Are people going to die? Yes. Would there be death and destruction possibly on a greater scale if we do not go in and get Hussein out? Yes, in my opinion.

Is the US relationship with Israel effecting our involvement in a war with Hussein/ Iraq? Yes. Only to the extent that in the first Gulf War we stopped Israel from wiping Iraq out. If we did not, you can bet that Israel would of annihilated Iraq after it started shooting missiles at Israel. We are not getting into this war because of Israel, nor are we plotting any kind of domination with Israel.

Knowing how this all really started, all the details, what is fact and what us fiction , is impossible. Has the US government ever lied to it’s people. Yes. Will it again? Yes. Is it wrong, Yes and No. Depends on the lie and the circumstances. Governments never have and never will tell everything to the citizenry. It is too involved and time consuming sometimes, especially in emergencies. Do I believe in democaracy. Absolutely. Am I worried about the state of democracy? Absolutely. Is this one big goddam mess. Absolutely. Did I just accomplish much beyond saying this is one big mess? Absolutely not.

I must add that I love the United States of America with every breath in my body. I believe it is a unique country, as are all. But the US, with all it faults, still is a country made of persecuted peoples, who have come and are still coming here to escape persecution, and a country also built on the backs of an enslaved persecuted people, who won their freedom in this country. Right there the paradox that is the United States of America is summed up. This is a beautiful country, nade up of people trying to make something of their lives, all the time loving and hating each other for good and bad reasons. And if things ever get too scary over here, hell could break loose. The Tyrants are trying to take over here. I hope it don't happen, and I don't think it can. I think civil disobedience would occur, if the corporate structure ever really takes over in the manner it wants to. Could it happen? yes. They are trying real hard. Are we going to go to a war for their purposes alone? I do not believe so. I hope I am right.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Arr ey Sam

Ah don't say that Sam. I'm shitting it now. The LAST thing on my mind when I posted it was anything getting out of hand. I was simply so disturbed by what I'd read and wanted intelligent feedback and insight. But yeah I know it can so easily kick off with such posts and I SHOULD have thought ahead before posting. I'm kicking meself as we speak.

Jan - if you're reading PLEASE delete before the heavy mob get going on it.

Sorry folks. Really stupid and impetuous of me - traits I can never seem to shake off I'm afraid. Let's hope Jan's working a late shift and does the business.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Quick, run to the TV... switch on the public television channel... it's Ronnie Hawkins... Ok, well he was only pumpin' gas... but they were playing his music in the diner... I Can't Stop Rockin'... on some show called Red Green... a Canadian comedy aye I'm guessing... anyway during the telethon part all these fishermen are taking calls... My bro-in-law loves this kinda stuff... anyway, my thoughts are with him today 'cause he's shipping out... I think I'll play some Southern Culture On The Skids... and say a prayer for all the boys... my little ones too... Hey, wouldn't Garth make a good frito burrito bandito?... good luck manana aye... good luck to the girls too...


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Further clarification of why I posted this Pilger piece

I suppose with respect what I'm probably asking is - 'anyone on here know if the essence of what this guy Pilger is saying is valid or not'? Not simply your political stance - but have you insight to verify or discredit this fella's apparent insight. We know Pilger's political stance. It's perfectly clear from the article and, besides, British people know of his anti-capitalist stance on most everything. But personally I'm more concerned with the insight and detailed information he seems to have on those more sinister behind-the-scenes manouevres rather than simply his manifestly leftie views. I'm not trying to antagonise pro-Bush posters on here or back anti-Bush posters but the sinister stuff does seem...sinister.

In this instance this is a person [me] talking who, apart from the basic core deliberations, is prettywell ignorant of the more complex facts, I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit. I need enlightening not pillorying.

That said Jan if you are concerned that there could be unacceptable fallout from what I've posted due to entrenched viewpoints then by all means please delete the blessed things before anything kicks off. Perhaps it is ridiculously naive of me to expect such a post to be discussed with any calm and it isn't the right place as has been pointed out so many times. Shit. Me and my big gob again.


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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: oops I forgot...

JTull: tsk, tsk,tsk you brought up the Hitler analogy, so I am compelled to send you to stand in the corner...and no FREEDOM fries for you young man!!

Speaking of the French/Freedom silliness...does this mean it is now called FREEDOM Kissing.....


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Posted by:

Fred

What's wrong with "unelected president", could have been worse, like "smirking chimp"...perhaps "accidental president" would have been better!?!?

I've been listening, watching & reading so much about this "little problem" that I've reached the point of saturation...last night I had a dream that George, Tony Saddam, Osama and Black Jacques Chirac (wasn't he a cartoon character on one of those old Bugs Bunny's?) were all on Oprah!! I've got to stop having those midnight snacks!!

Bill: for the life of me I can't recall that film!! (they say the mind is the first to go...)


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Oh well - here we go again.

See you all when the GB gets put back on - hopefully.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: JT

Yeah - perhaps you do deserve an apology for me posting it as I must admit to an ignorance of the background to what's going on. Simply either too busy or too otherwise engaged to appraise myself with exhaustive insight to attempt to unearth the truth. If there is a truth to be unearthed. Believe me it is something I would normally try to do. Not this time tho

When I saw this piece which my mate Will Melia posted to me I thought - 'ah bugger it I'll read this - it's John Pilger after all - perhaps I'll get some of that insight I'm missing'

Reading it I felt ill at what the writer claimed was virtually a completely hidden agenda behind this whole episode. Now I haven't a clue whether it's true or false or whatever as I said.

Must say tho JT I do get a bit worried when you condemn it outright without reading it. If you read my intro you'll see I did say I had already gleaned myself that it was slanted and almost certainly selective. However, there is stuff in there that perhaps is factual and you being completely dismissive and contemptuous of it without reading it fully is certainly not the best way to convince the likes of me that what is happening over Iraq is just.

As I say I for one don't know but I'd sure love to unearth some American insight without being pilloried for merely posting something that you personally find on the face of it unpalatable. I'm certainly not trying to inflame here but the article's core content sure disturbed me enough to post and I'd like to think you know me to be genuine enough from my record on here to merit your belief in that fact.


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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Who found an internet port on the island

AL Edge: I normally love your posts and await them eagerly but what a piece of crap you have posted. I had to stop halfway through. Please define 'unelected president' and 'illegal war'. Last time I checked, the U.S. constitution provides for an elctoral system which was followed in the last election, and does not require approval by a world body to act in self defense. Last time war was outlawed, and it was by international treaty early in the 20th century!, we got Adolph Hitler. Sorry, I could not get past the halfway point in your post. I reached my fill of knee-jerk idealogues such as Norman Mailer and Arthur Miller.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Music may well be our mutual first love...

but surely our fellow human beings should come in there somewhere too.

Please forgive me this indulgence but I've just been e-mailed this from a friend. Like myself, he isn't a particularly politically minded soul.

Have to say reading parts of it has made my stomach churn.

I do not possess the insight to know with any certainty if it is true, false, partly true, partly false or whatever.

I can tell its views are clearly slanted in one direction and are no doubt very selective particularly as it nears its conclusions. However, I also know that the writer - John Pilger - is above anything else a decent caring human being. It leads me personally to suspect there must be some element of authenticity at least within its content.

I simply leave you all to make up your own minds should you care to read the piece.

I've never posted a political post on here before nor ever even made a passing comment on such affairs for that matter and I really do feel as if I must apologise for doing so this time. However, the insinuations and inferences within this article have compelled me on this occasion to break with my tradition.

I certainly wouldn't dream of posting it anywhere else since I know of nowhere else where it would be afforded respect to match that usually given by most of the good people on here. Indeed, such is my respect for the people on here that I feel you all have the right to read accusations of such gravity as I have. And then to refute or support or simply reflect upon them as you see fit.

What I would hope nobody will do, with the commencement of action perhaps only hours away, is simply ignore - IF the accusations within it do happen to be true - an apparent mindset of beligerence that is clearly in no way shape or form a reflection of what I know to be the magnificence of the overwhelming majority of American people.

JOHN PILGER ARTICLE

How have we got to this point, where two western governments take us into an illegal and immoral war against a stricken nation with whom we have no quarrel and who offer us no threat: an act of aggression opposed by almost everybody and whose charade is transparent?

How can they attack, in our name, a country already crushed by more than 12 years of an embargo aimed mostly at the civilian population, of whom 42 per cent are children - a medieval siege that has taken the lives of at least half a million children and is described as genocidal by the former United Nations humanitarian coordinator for Iraq?

How can those claiming to be "liberals" disguise their embarrassment, and shame, while justifying their support for George Bush's proposed launch of 800 missiles in two days as a "liberation"? How can they ignore two United Nations studies which reveal that some 500,000 people will be at risk? Do they not hear their own echo in the words of the American general who said famously of a Vietnamese town he had just levelled: "We had to destroy it in order to save it?"

"Few of us," Arthur Miller once wrote, "can easily surrender our belief that society must somehow make sense. The thought that the State has lost its mind and is punishing so many innocent people is intolerable. And so the evidence has to be internally denied."

These days, Miller's astuteness applies to a minority of warmongers and apologists. Since 11 September 2001, the consciousness of the majority has soared. The word "imperialism" has been rescued from agitprop and returned to common usage. America's and Britain's planned theft of the Iraqi oilfields, following historical precedent, is well understood. The false choices of the cold war are redundant, and people are once again stirring in their millions. More and more of them now glimpse American power, as Mark Twain wrote, "with its banner of the Prince of Peace in one hand and its loot-basket and its butcher-knife in the other".

What is heartening is the apparent demise of "anti-Americanism" as a respectable means of stifling recognition and analysis of American Imperialism. Intellectual loyalty oaths, similar to those rife during the Third Reich, when the abusive "anti-German" was enough to silence dissent, no longer work. In America itself, there are too many anti-Americans filling the streets now: those whom Martha Gellhorn called "that life-saving minority who judge their government in moral terms, who are the people with a wakeful conscience and can be counted upon".

Perhaps for the first time since the late 1940s, Americanism as an ideology is being identified in the same terms as any rapacious power structure; and we can thank Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice for that, even though their acts of international violence have yet to exceed those of the "liberal" Bill Clinton.

"My guess," wrote Norman Mailer recently, "is that, like it or not, or want it or not, we are going to go to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see. The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to become a mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance in our lives. And, before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it is, may give way . . . Indeed, democracy is the special condition that we will be called upon to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult because the combination of the corporation, the military and the complete investiture of the flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascist atmosphere in America already."

In the military plutocracy that is the American state, with its unelected president, venal Supreme Court, silent Congress, gutted Bill of Rights and compliant media, Mailer's "pre-fascist atmosphere" makes common sense. The dissident American writer William Rivers Pitt pursues this further. "Critics of the Bush administration," he wrote, "like to bandy about the word 'fascist' when speaking of George. The image that word conjures is of Nazi storm troopers marching in unison towards Hitler's Final Solution. This does not at all fit. It is better, in this matter, to view the Bush administration through the eyes of Benito Mussolini. Dubbed 'the father of fascism', Mussolini defined the word in a far more pertinent fashion. 'Fascism,' he said, 'should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.' "

Bush himself offered an understanding of this on 26 February when he addressed the annual dinner of the American Enterprise Institute. He paid tribute to "some of the finest minds of our nation [who] are at work on some of the greatest challenges to our nation. You do such good work that my administration has borrowed 20 such minds. I want to thank them for their service."

The "20 such minds" are crypto-fascists who fit the definition of William Pitt Rivers. The institute is America's biggest, most important and wealthiest "think-tank". A typical member is John Bolton, under-secretary for arms control, the Bush official most responsible for dismantling the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, arguably the most important arms control agreement of the late 20th century. The institute's strongest ties are with extreme Zionism and the regime of Ariel Sharon. Last month, Bolton was in Tel Aviv to hear Sharon's view on which country in the region should be next after Iraq. For the expansionists running Israel, the prize is not so much the conquest of Iraq but Iran. A significant proportion of the Israeli air force is already based in Turkey with Iran in its sights, waiting for an American attack.

Richard Perle is the institute's star. Perle is chairman of the powerful Defence Policy Board at the Pentagon, the author of the insane policies of "total war" and "creative destruction". The latter is designed to subjugate finally the Middle East, beginning with the $90bn invasion of Iraq.

Perle helped to set up another crypto-fascist group, the Project for the New American Century. Other founders include Vice-President Cheney, the defence secretary Rumsfeld and deputy defence secretary Paul Wolfowitz. The institute's "mission report", Rebuilding America's Defences: strategy, forces and resources for a new century, is an unabashed blueprint for world conquest. Before Bush came to power, it recommended an increase in arms spending by $48bn so that America "can fight and win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars". This has come true. It said that nuclear war-fighting should be given the priority it deserved. This has come true. It said that Iraq should be a primary target. And so it is. And it dismissed the issue of Saddam Hussein's "weapons of mass destruction" as a convenient excuse, which it is.

Written by Wolfowitz, this guide to world domination puts the onus on the Pentagon to establish a "new order" in the Middle East under unchallenged US authority. A "liberated" Iraq, the centrepiece of the new order, will be divided and ruled, probably by three American generals; and after a horrific onslaught, known as Shock and Awe.

Vladimir Slipchenko, one of the world's leading military analysts, says the testing of new weapons is a "main purpose" of the attack on Iraq. "Nobody is saying anything about it," he said last month. "In May 2001, in his first presidential address, Bush spoke about the need for preparation for future wars. He emphasised that the armed forces needed to be completely high-tech, capable of conducting hostilities by the no-contact method. After a series of live experiments - in Iraq in 1991, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan - many corporations achieved huge profits. Now the bottom line is $50-60bn a year."

He says that, apart from new types of cluster bombs and cruise missiles, the Americans will use their untested pulse bomb, known also as a microwave bomb. Each discharges two megawatts of radiation which instantly puts out of action all communications, computers, radios, even hearing aids and heart pacemakers. "Imagine, your heart explodes!" he said.

In the future, this Pax Americana will be policed with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons used "pre-emptively", even in conflicts that do not directly engage US interests. In August, the Bush administration will convene a secret meeting in Omaha, Nebraska, to discuss the construction of a new generation of nuclear weapons, including "mini nukes", "bunker busters" and neutron bombs. Generals, government officials and nuclear scientists will also discuss the appropriate propaganda to convince the American public that the new weapons are necessary.

Such is Mailer's pre-fascist state. If appeasement has any meaning today, it has little to do with a regional dictator and everything to do with the demonstrably dangerous men in Washington. It is vitally important that we understand their goals and the degree of their ruthlessness. One example: General Pervez Musharraf, the Pakistani dictator, was last year deliberately allowed by Washington to come within an ace of starting a nuclear war with India - and to continue supplying North Korea with nuclear technology - because he agreed to hand over al-Qaeda operatives. The other day, John Howard, the Australian prime minister and Washington mouthpiece, praised Musharraf, the man who almost blew up west Asia, for his "personal courage and outstanding leadership".

In 1946, Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials, said: "The very essence of the Nuremberg charter is that individuals have international duties which transcend national obligations of obedience imposed by the state."

With an attack on Iraq almost a certainty, the millions who filled London and other capitals on the weekend of 15-16 February, and the millions who cheered them on, now have these transcendent duties. The Bush gang, and Tony Blair, cannot be allowed to hold the rest of us captive to their obsessions and war plans. Speculation on Blair's political future is trivia; he and the robotic Jack Straw and Geoff Hoon must be stopped now, for the reasons long argued in these pages and on hundreds of platforms.

And, incidentally, no one should be distracted by the latest opportunistic antics of Clare Short, whose routine hints of "rebellion", followed by her predictable inaction, have helped to give Blair the time he wants to subvert the UN.

There is only one form of opposition now: it is civil disobedience leading to what the police call civil unrest. The latter is feared by undemocratic governments of all stripes.

The revolt has already begun. In January, Scottish train drivers refused to move munitions. In Italy, people have been blocking dozens of trains carrying American weapons and personnel, and dockers have refused to load arms shipments. US military bases have been blockaded in Germany, and thousands have demonstrated at Shannon which, despite Ireland's neutrality, is being used by the US military to refuel its planes en route to Iraq.

"We have become a threat, but can we deliver?" asked Jessica Azulay and Brian Dominick of the American resistance movement. "Policy-makers are debating right now whether or not they have to heed our dissent. Now we must make it clear to them that there will be political and economic consequences if they decide to ignore us."

My own view is that if the protest movement sees itself as a world power, as an expression of true internationalism, then success need not be a dream. That depends on how far people are prepared to go. The young female employee of the Gloucestershire-based top-secret Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), who was charged this month with leaking information about America's dirty tricks operation on members of the Security Council, shows us the courage required.

In the meantime, the new Mussolinis are on their balconies, with their virtuoso rants and impassioned insincerity. Reduced to wagging their fingers in a futile attempt to silence us, they see millions of us for the first time, knowing and fearing that we cannot be silenced.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Subject: Update

" A hospital aide delivering dinner to Ed Voci reported that Voci was not in his room. A search of the hospital found Mr. Voci in the parking garage looking in the window of each Saab. Asked what he was doing, Voci replied: "Looking for Levon, of course. " The security guards claimed that Mr. Voci refused to return to his room until he found and visited with Levon Helm, screaming "I know he's here, I know he's here. Levon I 'm an attorney, I believe you. Na, nanananana nananana nanana. PutUp Yer Dukes and I will take your case to the highest court. Al Edge and Johnnie Cochran will join the team. F. Lee Bailey owes me a favor." After restraining the frenetic Mr.Voci, security did not feel comfortable returning Mr. Voci to his room. Nurses at the scene stated that Mr. Voci appeared highly agitated and dangerous, and the nurses requested that he be moved tp the psychiatric ward. A doctor from psychiatric came to the garage and injected Mr. Voci with a sedative. Unfortunately the psychiatric ward was full and Mr. Voci had to be removed to the closest psychiatric facility nearby, which was The Center For Distressed Robertsonians. Upon awakening, asking where he was, and being told The Center For Distressed Robertsonians, Mr. Voci screamed "Levon, I'm surroundedddd! Don't leave me here!Levonnnnnn!!!!! And after that episode went into shock. Occassionally, Mr. Voci can be heard to mumble "na, nanananana " and hold up his hands and crash them together, as if to simulate the crashing of symbols. Afterwards he beats his chest. No other news of Mr. Voci's condition has been released.

Mr. Voci's wife has been summoned to The Center For Distressed Robertsonians. She is reportedly making arrangements to fly Mr. Voci to Woodstock , New York, and is conducting a search for Mr. Helm. Mrs. Voci has reportedly stated that she believes only personal interevention by Levon Helm will make it possible for Mr Voci to return to ever fully recover.


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Posted by:

Pepote Rouge

Location: NY

Subject: GARTH

Hello All...Just wanted to say I attended Garth's show at The Colony in Woodstock and I am speechless....I have seen everyone from Bob to Clapton..to mccartney and noone I.ve seen has shown the instrumental prowess Garth showed on Sat. Garth has to be the most intimate, wonderful , filling show I've seen in a long time. Mauds vocals were right on the money...and they did a Blind Willie McTell that would make Dylan blush. Thanks Garth. Garth also took the time to greet us all and even snap a few shots. So I'll leave you all with a joke Garth told us during the show. "What do you call an accordian dropped down a mine shaft?" "A-Flat Miner" Ha! Thanks again Garth.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

May I second David Powell's estimation of Dar Williams's version of Whispering Pines? After hearing the snippet on site, I feel the need to go out and get the album.

Again, thanks to Cousin Paul for the Next of Kin ID's. After checking it out for sometime, a few observations:

The kids are amazing. The two little girls eyeing each other and Maury in obvious need of a bathroom break.

Years ago I thought Dominique was holding Richard's hand. Still do, whether she was or not.

Garth's father and Garth, two peas in a pod.

As a whole, the perfect conceptual piece to explain the group, ramshackle on first view, deep as the ocean on examination.


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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: The music lives on

I have to admit I'm quite impressed by Norah Jones' cover version of "Bessie Smith" and Dar Williams' cover of "Whispering Pines". Listening to the latter this morning has left me entranced. This is what Ms. Williams has to say about the song in the liner notes:

"Michael, my husband, played me his favorite songs by The Band, Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen, and, trying to bridge his halcyon musical past with his present, he suggested that I sing them. 'Whispering Pines' became the obvious choice, and now I get shivers every time I pass a Whispering Pines motel."

Joining Ms. Williams in her interpretation of the song is a great supporting cast consisting of Alison Krauss & Cliff Eberhardt on vocals, Rob Hyman on keyboards, Steuart Smith on piano, Stewart Lerman on guitar, Stefan Lessard on bass and David Mansfield on violin. Dar Williams casts her own unique imprint while remaining faithful to the spirit of the song. The last verse really leaves one smiling as Mr. Eberhardt takes an impassioned lead to Ms. Williams' response and at the end Ms. Krauss comes in to add a lovely third part to the harmony.


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Posted by:

Bones

WOW! Thanks to Butch for that great story about Garth and Levon listening to "The Great Pretender" after all these years. I'm looking forward to the Hummingbirds release.

Also, thanks to Tracy and Cousin Paul for the great "Next Of Kin" photo and text. John D, I don't think Robbie's father was really a part of his life. I could be wrong, though.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: music & ,,,,,

just a P.S. ,,,,,,

during the sessions,,, there is a dylan song, City of Gold,,,,& the groove, the feel wasnt right,, they cut it slow,, they cut it faster,, they cut it the way bob did,,, & still nothing,,

this week,, Larry Campbell says to Levon & Garth,,,"remember The Great Pretender ??? THATS the feel i want,",,,,

so i got the cd & Larry played it for them,,,,, the look in Levons eyes when he heard Richard sing,,,,, so happy yet sooooo sad,,,( it was the 1st time he'd heard Richard sing in years )

Then Garth was hearing himself play those Garthonian arpeggios & such,,, ,,,,,,,, They went into the studio & cut it PERFECTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i mean Larry had the right idea & feel for that one,, & The Great Pretender lives on,,,,,,, yeah !!!!!!!!!!!!

( thought ya might find this of interest,, music lovers )


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Subject: should'a posted this in the last one

Tracy,

Any song that has "a tear in the voice" Richard could cover better than anyone.(Ray Charles included)I'll bite.How 'bout,

Sending Me Angels - Delbert McClinton

Is Anyone There? or Have A Little Faith In Me - John Hiatt

Stella Blue - Hunter/Garcia

Upstate New York does not have a lock on good shows.(but they have a lot)Check out NORWAY.

Oslo - Wayne Shorter 03/30. Neil Young 04/23. Delbert McClinton 04/28. Bruce Springsteen 06/19. Bonnie Raitt 07/04.

Tronheim - John Mayall 03/16(Sunday). Delbert McClinton 04/26.

Molde - Delbert McClinton 04/25.

Bergen - Charlie Musselwhite 04/25. Neil Young 04/25. Delbert McClinton 04/30.

Odense,Denmark - Joe Zawinul 04/16. Shemekia Copeland 04/30. Delbert McClinton 05/02.

Over here in California we put the month first/day second.One of us is backwards, I'm mainly backwoods.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Subject: Associated Press release

On my way out the door to job interview at the Center for Distressed Robertsonians, but was stopped by a flash coming in on the Associated Press wire. Here is an excerpt. ".......surrounded by reporters anxious to know the cause of his missing the strategically placed cymbal shot, a still bewildered Ed Voci answered 'it was the damndest thing. I felt a tug on my sleeve, heard an unmistakable Arkansas drawl say 'Best leave that one out brother,it just don't feel right' but when I turned around, noone was there. I must be hallucinating from the stress. Damn that Robertson's hypnotist'."/n Upon leaving the hall, a still pale Voci asked the few people waiting outside 'a donde es le adorate?' Upon being told that they all left with Levon Helm and a meditteranean looking man he called Butch,Voci fainted.

Voci is reported to be stabilized but incoherent in a nearby emergency room, babbling frquently. One nurse heard the name Rick mentioned frquently, and reports that there is always a angelic look on Voci's face when he says Rick. Another says he has screamed the name Butch in his sleep, waving his fist violently in the air. Most recently, he has begun to repeat,'Levon , come back, Levon, come back'...."

I have to get to the interview now, but will send any updates on Ed Voci's condition.


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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Subject: Larry Campbell,Tony Garnier, Levon Helm,and Garth

DAMN!


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Subject: The Sound Of Silence

Was really written about a cymbal shot missed by Ed Voci.

Fantasy review to come. Have job interviews today. One job seems particularly appealing, a position in which I may actually be able to make a lasting world contribution and a diiference in people's lives. Seems there is a opening for a counselor in a twelve step rehabilitation program for Robertsonians.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks Butch!!! (btw, one of my favorite things to say in here)... and John D, my GB reply time is not quite up to speed yet because I'm still in dreamland but I wanted to let you know that while in Woodstock I wore my MN Twins hat half the time... and the other half I wore my red Canada hat with the maple leaf on it... the one I picked up on my way home from London... so that's how I feel about Canada... anyway, if you are gonna see the man of many hats, I felt like I should bring a few myself... Alex, when Maud mentioned Garth's band and Marty... she said something like "and he is a multi-instrumentalist too, and that's always fun."... I really liked the way she said fun and smiled... Anyway, so good to know good CDs are coming down the pike...


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Posted by:

Bill

Fred's probably has, but Ed probably hasn't, seen a wonderful little movie, title forgotten, where a hockey-playing, opera-loving brewery employee is urged by a lovable rogue (played by Robbie Calhoun doing his best to speak hose) into acting on his dream of opening a fine Italian Ristorante with an operatic theme. Very funny.

John D: A friend who'd been Crowbar's sound guy told me that they'd told him that "Stage Fright" was inspired by Ronnie's reaction to being on stage at Carnegie Hall, when he, backed by the musicians who became Crowbar, opened for Joe Cocker on his Mad Dogs and Englishmen tour. The story goes that Hawkins, cowed by the sight of an audience that included our guys AND Dylan, just froze. Stepping into the breach, second singer John Rutter (aka Johnny Rhythm) vamped for time, making, in a Crowbar musician's words, "a total armpit of himself". Eventually Hawkins unfroze and went on to finish the job. That's certainly a great story, though my acceptance of its veracity is tempered by the fact that Sandy Konikoff, who was in Cocker's band at the time and who - as a former Hawk and a former colleague of Crowbar's Kelly Jay - had reason to pay attention, has no memory of it.


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Posted by:

Fred

Ed Voci: the best place for Garth to play would be outdoors at the Arena in Verona on a midsummer's night (it's got great acoustics)

Butch: Is there any chance that "tape" you mentioned (several posts back) will ever see the light of day for us, the huddled masses...not as a bootleg, but officially? I think there would be a few people willing to buy it!


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Posted by:

E N

To listen in my link below, click on "Ecoouter un extrait"


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Posted by:

E N

Location: The Arab World
Web: My link

Subject: Jean-Jacques Goldman - Not politics, just Music, Life and Love

Peter: thanks for Jackson Browne, I'm jealous (sadism)...While Jackson Browne, why not Jean-Jacques Goldman. I recently listened to 'Comme Toi'. I believe that Jean-Jacques Goldman is today the greatest French songwriter. He composes for a wealth of international hit-singers. specially the headlist of Rai music: Khaled, the very Arabian style of music that was also the worldest listenned to music in the 90s thanks to Jean Jacques Goldman writing. A survivor of Holocaust who permits to Rai music to survive and thrive.

Here is an attempt of translation of "Comme Toi":

"She had bright eyes and a velvet robe, with her mother and familly around
She posed awkwardly in the sweet sun of the end of the day
The photo is no good, but we can see true hapiness and serenity of an evening
She loved music, specially Schumann and Mozart, Just like you.......

She went to school down the village, She learnt the books and she learnt the laws
She sang the craws and the princesses sleeping at the wood
She loved her doll, She loved her friends,specially Ruth and Hanna
She loved Jeremy, They will mary one day perhaps in Varsaw

She was called Sarah, she hadn't 8 years, her life was sugar and white clouds
But bitter people decided otherwise, She had bright eyes, she had your age
She was a little girl with no mess, she was so kind,
But she wasn't born like you HERE and NOW"

Much better, i suggest to every body to listen to that song. Thank you Jean-Jacques Goldman for just being you, may the Everlasting protect you, and your people too, HERE-ever and NOW-ever


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Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: La Scala, Garth, my real fantasy

Fred, my real fantasy is Garth playing La Scala di Milano, performing the Genetic Method and, on the last note leading into Chest Fever (for which he switches to piano), I crash 20-inch Agop, hand-made-in-Turkey cymbals. Talk about stage fright! Alex, write me a fantasy review and don't forget to put in "le adorate" (Italian groupies)hanging around.

P.S. I hope a lot of you get out to an anti-war protest this Sunday. I want those cymbal makers in Turkey to be in one "peace". See you there, Rick Danko.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: So Long and Farewell

Someone was kind enough to e-mail me some background on Ros. I can see that our writing styles were similar and that might make people unconformtable...which is the last thing I wanted to do on this site. Let me repeat one last time that I am not Ros and do not wish to threaten anyone on this site

I thought I could be the oil on troubled waters...an arrogant presumption I have come to find out.

I also want to state for the record that I never claimed to know Rick Danko nor did I claim to be an expert on his life. I just miss him terribly.

So I will take the advice of Cousin Paul and refrain from posting anymore...I hope it will not upset him if I continue to visit from time to time to see the latest news and see how all of you are doing.

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto

Subject: Next of Kin Chart

Someone else has already mentioned this; but this picture for me always meant more that The Sgt. Pepper Jacket, especially because even though you knew it was family, it would have been nice to know the characters. I notice Levon's parents are missing from this one who couldn't make the trip for the photo. They were inserted up in the corner; which was very nice. There must have been quite a rift between Robbie and his father (Robertson) to not have been included as part of the family tree.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Next of Kin Chart

Perhaps Terry Danko knows who #'s 22 & 23 are. 22 looks like a Danko??? Great work and great chart. Wonder if Mr. Landy kept notes on this one.


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: ispell

How many times have you been posting and you spell something wrong. Well you don't want to look bad; so you back out into your word processor for the correct spelling.

On Tech TV the other night I heard about ispell. It's a very small program (no bugs) that works in the background. As you type away in the guestbook; just right click on the word and away it goes. Showing you the correct spelling; or what you hay have meant to type. IT ONLY WORKS ON THE WEB! Not anywhere else including your e-mail. Love it. Now I type away and then launch ispell. Great for those of us who have forgotten a few things.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Butch

Butch thanks so much for that report on the Hummingbirds sessions. Ah to be a fly on the wall at that one. You're a lucky man.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Peter Viney You Are Correct Sir

Yes, according to Rick Danko.......the two characters are Ronnie and Dylan. I don't think it's a put down in any way; but a look inside two different characters from a songwriter that has known them very, very well. It is his interpretation of a part of their character as seen by someone who has shared the stage (on and off) with both. I also think that the term "Stage Fright" means different things to each character. I've never felt it was the "literal" way we think of the word.

I always remember a Dylan quote from the first night in Toronto of Tour '74; when someone came up to him at our table and with great happiness declared, (paraphrasing here) "Gee Mr. Dylan it must be great to be so loved up there on that stage." To which Dylan answered in his best Dylan type answer of that period, "Everybody in life is on stage.......the only difference is that the spotlight shines but only on a few."


Entered at Fri Mar 14 13:35:27 CET 2003 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Re: Benny the Barber?

Jon Lyness is right, of course. Mercury Rev's _Deserter's Songs_ from 1998, is the right answer (see link above). Lead singer Jonathan Donahue and Levon met at the barber shop in Woodstock.

Garth was also involved in _Deserter's Songs_ - the first time I met Garth (and the [more or less] honourable Messieurs Gabites and Viney) was in London in 1999, when Garth & the Crowmatix opened for Mercury Rev at the Forum.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Hi Tom - have lost your e-mail address. Can you send it to me?


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Mainly Jackson Browne

John D- so it was Dylan and Ronnie? Had always seen as Dylan and/or Robbie, misled by the Winterland story. So, was it an affectionate revelation or perhaps a slight put-down of their previous leader?

Anyway, late in on this, because I was watching Jackson Browne last night. Just as impressed as Nancy was – and it gives me more back catalogue exploration. How he manages a full three hour show without his voice wavering once beats me! He also looks about 20 years younger than he is. He’s only doing a few UK gigs, and a lot of people had travelled to see him- the audience seemed to know all his songs instantly. Really first rate- and a message to so many bands on sound balance / volume. Yet again the band with small amps fed via mics into a large PA system beat all comers for sound – one guitarist had what looked like a single 10 inch practice amp. I would say that the process works except for bass – the bass player had what looked like a single 15 inch speaker, mic’ed up. The bass playing was good but the sound was too muddy and blurred- but I’ve never heard any bass player manage to avoid muddiness in that hall. At no point were they painfully loud, never distorted. It makes you realize that most bands play too loud for the room – a consequence of years of playing too loud and resulting near-deaf sound mixers.

Ed – having sex with a tuba is a disturbing thought- which end of the tuba though?


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Posted by:

E N

Please Everybody here, for general topics write like Miss Dawn Taylor, not like Mr Rob Mitchum...it's easy if you try.....hard to see the same event in their respective reviews...

Mio piache-erre....il Chi-inema Amerrica-ano....RRajjing Bool...di Marrtin Skorrche-eze..la sto-orria di JJack-la-Mo-otta...con RRobert de Nirro...e la mussica di RRoberrtson...molto bene....(heard in Venice, Piazetta)


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Posted by:

JM

Location: Spain

My government supports bush's war. Why? I feel i'm knocking on heavens door


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Posted by:

E N

Web: My link


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Posted by:

E N

Web: My link

Subject: The Last Waltz and Drugs

In front of me in the cyberroom where i'm attending, there is a "balck list" recommendation of words that must be avoided in emails, internet perso pages, etc...the first term in the list is "drugs", thus i am infringing the rule

As my further doctor taught me "The essential is not to restore health, but to know how enjoying life in function of the illness". As for the Drugs episod in TLW from my last post, the spirit is not to ignore completely drugs consumption in a past era, but for historical accuracy, to expose it to the public in an ethics way and in the the respect of all the persons in order to reflect their merit and not to deviate the debate in a trivial sense. (that's a rule i apply in my posts) A good example in a review of TLW by Dawn Taylor:\ n "Younger viewers, those in their 20s, surely won't see The Last Waltz in the same way as those who were around in 1976 — especially those who were around music and musicians at the time. Funky, hippie-rock was on its way out, and punk and New Wave hadn't quite started to seep onto the radio. Drugs were everywhere, with Jack Daniels and marijuana losing popular ground to cocaine and heroin. And while the stories told by the principals in The Last Waltz make no mention of drugs, it's impossible to watch the film without the legendary stories about it resonating in your brain — that cocaine was everywhere backstage that night; that when they first saw the footage of Neil Young's performance, there was a huge piece of coke stuck to his left nostril, and the filmmakers hired an aging Hollywood touch-up artist to remove the musician's "booger" from the film, frame-by-frame; and that soon after the film was made, both Robertson's and Scorsese's marriages ended, and the two shared a house together where they'd draw the blackout curtains closed, do endless lines of coke and watch movies for days at a time (for more dirt, check out Peter Biskind's excellent book Easy Riders, Raging Bulls.)"

The book of Peter Biskind
EASY RIDERS, RAGING BULLS: HOW THE SEX-DRUGS-AND-ROCK-'N'-ROLL GENERATION SAVED HOLLYWOOD
Simon & Schuster edition (1998)
is worthy to be added in the library collection of this site, it gives large detailed passages on the life of Robbie and Scorcese in Mulholland Drive (Please Jan)

That generation was familiar with the pharaceutical industry in general, today yougsters are familiar with the military industry (my choice is clear). Moreover, the Musicians had one more reason to consum, many started essencially for circumvincing "THE STAGE FREIGHT" (the true one, not the album), all musicians here in the GB knows what it does mean (Ed cymballs)

Finally, a humoristic note, always about statistics, in "Play it again Sam", a dialogue between Woody Allen and Matt Murphy (as Bogart):
WA - How many girls will be there in the party ?
MM - I have not the list
WA - Well, statistically, in mean it will do how many girls per man ? MM - in mean, it depends on the man


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ed's bigun

Jeez Ed - you must be absolutely enormous - a tuba? A penny whistle's more my scene

:-o)

Womenfolk of Chicago - beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by:

Ed Blayzor

Location: New York

Subject: Tracy's Richard Manuel thread

Here ya go Tracy:

Martha-Tom Waits

Soulshine-Allman Bros. & Gov't.Mule

Illegal Smile-John Prine

Ain't No Sunshine-Bill Withers

Mercy Mercy Me-Marvin Gaye

She's Gone(sung w/Rick)-Hall & Oates

I read somewhere that John Hiatt wrote Angel Eyes with The Band in mind with Richard singing,two other Hiatt tunes Richard would sound great covering are Feels Like Rain & Cry Love.


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Posted by:

butch

Subject: gospel garth & levon

just back from session # 2 of the Dixie Hummingbirds sessions,,, with Larry Campbell, Tony Garnier,, Levon & GARTH !!!!!

the Gospel music was so soothing & beautiful,,, 75 years of the Hummingbirds havent dimmed one note of their amazing gifts,,,, G-d Given voices,, & soul,, They Take ya TO Church,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!!!!!

there were also great moments of Garth & Larry Campbell just noodling for 20 minutes,, Larry on fiddle & Garth on piano,,,,

The last sassion ( w/o garth ) there was an element missing,,, now with Garth on piano, or wurlitzer, or organ,, he really added "the honey" to the Hummingbirds nectar,,,,

there was a moment when Garth was on piano,,, Tony on Stand-up bass, Larry on acoustic & Levon on brushes,,, they did Fats Waller tunes,,, for what seemed like an eternity,,, GREAT STUFF,,, i motioned to Randy , the engineer to roll the tape & he did,, That will show up somewhere oneday,,, i hope,,, an amazing quartet,,, Garth said to let the tape roll & we would have a whole record in 45 minutes,,,heheheheheh,,,

but to watch Ira Tucker, ( the Grand Old Man of The Hummingbirds) & Garth talk music,, guys from the 40's & 50's,,, ira knew Muddy, & Henry Glover, & so many of Levon & Garth's influences,,, Bill Doggett,,, & his drummer,,, i was a fly on the wall to a slice of history,,,,

when this record is released,, it had better be a Grammy winner or there is no justice,,,

& ed voci,, leave me out of your sick fantasies,,,thanks,,\


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Posted by:

Fred

Ed Voci: So, when is your debut at La Scala di Milano?


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Posted by:

Ed "Sex Cymbal" Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: ...firewater right on my breath

Al Edge, I had a triple scotch on the rocks before I went on. At that point, I would have had sex with a tuba.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: Richard

It would have been a real treat to hear Richard croon "Wild Horses", the Jagger/Richards chestnut.


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Posted by:

Howard

Location: There's A Flood Out In California

Subject: Tracey's Question

Tracey How about "Presence Of The Lord" Eric Clapton, Blind Faith incarnation, Or "Burning The Midnight Lamp"- Jimi Hendrix. Peace, Howard.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Cool Bayou. All the monikker changing, yep, tis a bit much. I agree. I'll stick with PutEmUp for now, and ask you all to just keep Snagglepuss, the friendly saber toothed tiger in mind. Glad to clear the other matter up.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

"Richard Manuel Sings The Songs of Neil Diamond"

The guestbook would be on fire.

That's all today - I've posted enough (the crowd cheers, Richard P. is on his feet) - I'm tired - Goodnight.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

PutEmUp = I was absolutely just kidding my friend. I took the "rats ass" thing out of your previous post. No hostility meant at all. I apologise if it seemed that way. And, I DO care what name you use - just pick one and stick with it so I can keep track. I'm not the smartest guy in the guestbook, and it's hard for me.

BTW - I like Alex better than PutEmUp. It's friendly, and less confrontational.


Entered at Fri Mar 14 04:10:03 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Tracy: I agree with you about "anything" from the Ray Charles catalogue and I'd add something penned by Hoagy Carmichael (did I spell that right?). And some blues a la Big Maceo or any Willie Dixon song (a particular song might be the not too well known and oddly titled Violent Love by Willie Dixon). Perhaps an original Manuel composition or two (instrumentals) and the whole album would be very basic atmospherically (just Richard tickling the ivories, perhaps a guest appearance by Levon & Garth on one track) and a reworking of a Band tune ...anything BUT Moon Struck One would be fine, but I keep hearing Lonesome Suzie or a very very slowed down version of The Shape I'm In.


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Posted by:

Tracy a.k.a. the ahroo gal

Subject: RICHARD hypothetical solo album

If Richard were still around and he came out with a solo album, what songs could you imagine he would cover?

My pick would be just about anything from Ray Charles' catalog, especially "Come Rain Or Come Shine." Robbie's song from Storyville "Sign of The Rainbow" because it's just Manuel's style only done by somebody else who almost has the same way of singing it as I know he could have. For some odd reason I can picture him also doing Traffic's hit, "Feelin' Alright."

Any others want to give it a try?

Tracy


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Subject: Bayou Sam's Rats Ass

Bayou: If you intend to address me as an ass, the appropriate term would be Renegade Elephant's Rear. Man but your jokes can sound like veiled hostility. I am smiling whilst I type.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Hi Hi!: Thanks for the info on the Garth band. For those of you who have not heard of Ted Orr, he is a long time veteran of the forever changing Woodstock scene, and a seriously talented gutiar player. also does a lot of engineering and other sort of stuff .


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Subject: ny

PutEmUp = I care alot about what name you use. I think "baby rats ass" would work. Nobody'd forget you.

It's another joke. Smile.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: New York baby

Subject: a bunch of fabulously interesting ramblings

John D & Bob Wigo - would you be kind enough to post if you get a response from Skip Rooney? I e-mailed him also at the time, and once after that. He said he'd get back to me, but never did. I'd still be interested. Thanks.

Alex = those were great Rick stories. I only spent about one minute with Rick one time, and the same feeling you describe came through.

Skylark....uh, Meadowlark...no - WOODLARK - greetings from Nu Yawk - wazzup?. Hey, thanks for puttin' me on your list. I'm proud to be listed with Robbie, and of course Crabby. I just hope your thread of hated New Yorkers dosen't catch on. If I make evryone's list it'll hurt my feelings. I thought about lambasting you to see if I could move up from fourth place - but it's just not in me........BTW - how can you put Robbie on there? He's a Californian by way of Canada, isn't he?.........I checked out your link man - you say you're into bass, and harmonica - but you have a Banjo in the picture. What's up with that? The fact that you have a Banjo though makes you cool in my book. Let's hook up if you're ever in New York. We'll do some pickin'. Then Crabby and me can take you on the town - or dump you in the East River.........it's a joke - just a joke.

I'm actually a very nice guy.

I popped "Stage Fright" into the player while driving today. I just want to again state how great the song "All La Glory" is. I love Levon's vocal everytime I hear it. The funny thing is that it seems like the type of vocal that would have normally gone to Richard, or even Rick. But with all due respect to those cats, I'm glad 'ol Levon did it.


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Posted by:

PutEmUp

Al Edge: Your reference to me as Dukes caused me to toy with the idea of posting as Al Dukes from here on in.In reality most of you could not give a baby rat's ass what my posting name is,or for that matter if I ever post again. However, for those of you who might, I have rested on PutEmUp. Less confrontational that PutUpYerDukes, shorter than PutUpYerDukes,PutEmUp,PutEmUp.

Al , I just have been musically and geographically lucky with regard to the Band.I first heard them as a kid, when The Weight and The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down were all over the radio. I can't say which it was I heard first for certain, but we all know the chronological order. But I remember the Tntdodd invading my 10 or 11 year old ear, grabbing my soul , and never letting go. Levon's voice, the lyrics, the drums, the horns, the beauty of the whole song in every aspect, the tragedy of the song connected to something inside me, the pain and determination in Levon's voice when he sang"like my brother who loved me, I took a rebels stand. He was just 18, proud and brave, when a yankee laid him in his grave, I swear by the mud (Blood) below my feet, you can't raise a caine back up when he's in the seed.." just grabbed me and never let go. Same with the Weight, especailly with Rick's Verse "Crazy Chester......" When I was a kid, my family used to spend alot of time further up highway 28 than Woodstock is in upstate NY. I had been away from late 81 to early 85, not in college mind you. Upon returning to NY , I naturally gravitated from the city to the mountains I have always loved, bought the paper to find where the music was, and I found myself in Woodstock, round the bend from our heroes. I spent a lot of years back and forth from Up to downstate,living both places, catching good music wherever i went, music frequently being the cause of the journey. My run ins with Rick were either musical or coincidental, the amount of coincidence being huge. The fact that it was always pleasant and fun has nothing to do with me, much to do with him. It was his way.

A lot of musical people , or musicians, have a attitude, some do not. A lot are guarded, with good reason. A lot of guys are just regular guys, they all took lessons from Rick.


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Posted by:

Lil Again

Jon Lyness: (Hi! :-) Ooh.. I didn't even think of "Deserter Songs". I should've read your post before I posted mine. Me thinks you might be right :-)


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Posted by:

Lil

Could the barber connection (must be Levon :-) by some chance be the Jeff Alexander cd, "School for Fools"? Old Benny the barber comes to us courtesy of Ferdinand.

Have a good night everyone.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Re: Benny the Barber

Jan, is that Mercury Rev, Deserters Songs you're thinking of, which has a "Levon's barber" connection? (I'm a little worried that I can even take a stab at stuff like this!) And Ferninand the Imposter supplies us with Benny the Barber.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 23:24:39 CET 2003 from dial2a-151.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.151)

Posted by:

Hi

Subject: Garth's new projects

Maybe I missed it and it was discussed already but in the article from the Woodstock Times posted March 9th in the "What's New" section of this Site it mentions among other projects a new band called "Garth Hudson and another band" and lists its members including Marty Grebb and one of Van's old drummers . Sounds very promising! Ted Orr who was at the recent Colony Cafe gig early in the evening playing drum is listed as guitarist....

I also enjoyed Dave Z's recent posting about the Colony show.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 23:17:22 CET 2003 from c143wn2.wifi.halden.net (194.69.211.143)

Posted by:

jh

Subject: Benny the Barber?

Quiz time? OK: A meeting at a Woodstock barber resulted in Band involvement in one of the (IMHO) better albums from the (late) last millenium. Title and artist, please (bonus points for pointing out the source for the subject line of this entry).


Entered at Thu Mar 13 23:15:55 CET 2003 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (66.31.105.135)

Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Subject: You may have heard of him.....

The HAWK! RONNIE HAWKINS!!


Entered at Thu Mar 13 22:58:01 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.185)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: #2

I'm guessing Richard.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Stage Fright

Mr. Wigo you are 50% correct. Just one more name.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Stage Fright

Two of you have one each in the last few postings.


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: John D

God, The begining, and God, The end.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 22:38:08 CET 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

John: Ronnie and Richard?

Bones mentioned Elvis II doing "What's So Funny 'Bout Peace, Love and Understanding", which must be the greatest of Nick Lowe's many great songs. I remember buying a British copy of the 45 in a Scarborough (Ontario) junk store in 1973. Quite possibly the same time I found the only copy that I've ever seen of the Consuls' only record. Unfortunately for Band fans, this one was done even before Robbie was in the group, though I'm sure he must have played the songs - both originals - on stage. This is long before the group added the 'Little Caesar and the' business to their name.


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Posted by:

Long Distance Operator

Web: My link

Subject: Ronnie Hawkins Biography

I just found the Ronnie Hawkins bio, "Last Of The Good Old Boys" on eBay for $4.95. It's long out of print, and something I've wanted to read for quite some time. There are still 2 available, so if anybody's interested just click "My Link" above and it will take you to the auction. You can "Buy It Now".


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Posted by:

Elizabeth

Location: New York

Subject: John D.

Dylan and Robbie?


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: John D.

Was Dylan one of them?


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Stage Fright

Not sure if this thread has ever been through the guestbook before. Does anyone know the names of the two people that actually became "one".."see the MAN with the Stage Fright". Anyone know the names of the two people that was the template of the song?

I was going to give a hint; but that would give it away. They were both very important to the life of The Band from start to finish. I will say up front that I was told this was true many years ago from a very reliable source and when I think of these people I believe it to be true.


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Posted by:

Karen Dickey

Location: Tucson, Arizona

Subject: NEW FAN!

I was recently turned on to the music from The Bank by watching "The Last Waltz". I had heard some of the songs featured in the video in the past but did not know who was behind the music. Now I can't get enough! I've watched the video several times and plan to watch it many more. It gets better every time!! Thank you for your music!!


Entered at Thu Mar 13 19:37:10 CET 2003 from (62.61.219.1)

Posted by:

E N

Subject: Ed Voci - statistics

Thanks Woodlark for the regular kind words

Thanks Ed for "the statistics for starting the day"
By any manner i tried to classify myself, at each time I belong to the 1 percent category. That makes me feeling sad and important

BTW, I remarked in the GB I am the single and part-time fan of The Band in ( Belgium + France + Africa + Midle-East) that makes me feeling more important 1 on 800,000,000 (waw!)

from the "Reader' Digest":

1 - "in NYC, one man is hurt by a car every 3 minutes" - is he still alive ?

2 - "Amongst every 5 children born in the world, 1 is Chinese" - he'll not listen to Brown Sugar, with all my respects to the Chineses in the GB, that's the reason why some couples made only 4 children (that's not politics and that's not nasty - just for fun, please be indulgent in advance)


Entered at Thu Mar 13 18:46:34 CET 2003 from 100.ppp144.rsd.worldonline.se (213.204.144.100)

Posted by:

Woodlark aka Ilkka (in GB Stone Age, that is...)

Location: On the other side of the border
Web: My link

Subject: Jens Magnus / New Yorkers

JENS MAGNUS, DON'T LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You were disturbed by the hostile feeling in this gb, you said. Please stay. There are many interesting new and old contributors in this gb: DAVE Z will be challenging your emotions and aesthetics, EMPTY NOW will be challenging your intellect, ALL THE OTHERS will certainly challenge your mind.

My new thread: New Yorkers I love to hate (and hate to love):
1) Crabgrass
2) - - -
3) - - -
4) Bayou Sam
5) - - -
6) - - -
7) J.R. Robertson

;-))))))))))))))))))))))

My link is "only" my gb vCard.
My emailaddress is woodlark.geo(Danish pastry)yahoo.com


Entered at Thu Mar 13 18:41:31 CET 2003 from webport-cl6-cache4.ilford.mdip.bt.net (213.120.56.45)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: ALEX and RICK

WOW!!

I'm in awe...well Liverpool actually but you know what I mean

Btw I thought you were Dukes by your sense of yumer - good to see you. That was some piece on Garth. Nice one mate

:-o)


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Ed Voci

What's it like to be sex cymbal Ed?

Is a person who plays the cymbals a cymbalist? Does that mean that actor out of 77 Sunset Strip was one? You know the guy - Ephraigm Cymbalist Junior - if so you're in good company Ed lad :-o)

I'll get me coat...


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Posted by:

Ed "Crash" Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: See The Man With The Stage Freight

Alex and Peter Viney, thanks for your thoughts and good wishes. The performance, my first ever, went pretty well. The cymbals "solos" were a real rush (though I missed one completely--no one noticed but the conductor, my wife, and kids). I have a profound and new respect for all who perform in public. The exhiliration cannot be matched; the fear of fugging up can be all-consuming. Luckily, I located RR's hypnotist just before the show. Funny, though, I'm now having sudden urges to produce a documentary about the concert and the orchestra...naw, never work.


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Posted by:

Bones

I have enjoyed these personal posts about the character of Rick Danko. Regarding Elvis Costello's acceptance speech, Elvis mentioned a list of about 15 musicians who have inspired him, which included Van Morrison, Rick Danko and Bob Dylan. I think Rick would be genuinely surprised to be included in such acclaimed company.

Last night on Letterman, Elvis played "What So Funny 'Bout Peace, Love and Understanding". After he finished, Paul and his orchestra led into "The Weight". I'm sure that was because Paul knows Elvis is a big Band fan.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 16:03:43 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.185)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Rick

Good stuff Alex. You would be hard pressed to find someone with a disparaging word about Rick Danko. His time here was certainly too brief but clearly well spent. His is a beautiful legacy.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 15:29:12 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Alex

Cousin Paul, the Bruce/Rick story is great. Bob, as you say, Rick was just a knock around, normal, guy. A very special kind of person. No pretenses, just Rick. Many moons ago, there was a restaurant in Woodstock named Christy's. If you are approaching from 375, when you hit 212 and make the left into town, Christy's was right there on the right, after the entrance to the Playhouse property. There was a huge tree in front of Christy's, it might have been just to the side. But this was a big tree. Wide and tall, really old and beautiful.

Anyway, my kid sister, then in her early 20s, was visiting from California where she had recently moved . I had raised her on the Band, and in the 4 or 5 years prior to her leaving NY had dragged her and her friends to a multitude of Band and related performances across the tristate area. I lived on the edge of town, a few corners around the bend from Cristy's. One day we went to the bank, then the Colonial Pharmacy, just past the restaurant, and could not help but notice crews removing the tree. It was upsetting to me, as I loved that tree. As we were exiting, Rick was approaching. He was excited and preoccupied, " didja see that,theyr'e cutting down the tree? That's a big tree, they' re cutting down ... That's a big tree!" obviously sorry and shook by the loss of the tree. And might I add one more time, this was a big tree.

Another time, about 2 or 3 years prior, Rick almost ran me over in the Cumberland farms gas station really early one morning. Then had a good laugh with me about it.

I would not say I was a great friend or anything like that, definitely did not know him well personally, but he always was comfortable and natural with everyone. If he knew your face, you were his friend. If you were a stranger and you were next to him in line somewhere, you were his friend for the moment. Next time, you knew each other a little better. A handful of times Rick and I, or Sredni, Rick and I, maybe a friend or 2 of mine, had breakfast in Duey's diner. Always fun. Just a guy, hanging out, enjoying the day. Rick was the most accessible of the Band guys. He was the most public, most out and about, and really talkative all the time. And he told the truth as he saw it.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Skip Rooney

Bob, While waiting for you to post I finally found his post re: the print. I have sent him an e-mail and called his office and left a message as well. I'll get right back to you when I hear from him. Thanks Bob.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 14:25:36 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.185)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: John D.

John D., it was me. The contact was Skip Rooney who had represented the artist. I emailed him as well immediately following his post about making the poster available but never heard back.

His email address is skiprooney@hotmail.com

I am going to try him again too. Please let me know if you hear anything. Thank you for the reminder. Good luck.

rwigo@aol.com


Entered at Thu Mar 13 14:17:50 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.185)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Cousin Paul

Paul, I thank you for your kind words. Your story about Rick and Bruce is wonderful but comes as no surprise. Everytime I saw Rick I was amazed at how humble he was. He always seemed a little taken by the fact that he was so admired.

I'm betting Bruce was awed not only by Rick's musicianship but also his infinitely kind heart. He was, above everything else, a fine human being.

Thanks for sharing so much here Paul.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Kasper - Rollie - Mr. Wigo

Rollie(or Mr. Wigo) I'm not sure if it was you or not who was corresponding with the good friend of the painter of the Moondog Matinee Poster. He had mentioned a few months ago that he was going to begin selling the prints and I certainly put my name in right away and got a nice e-mail back from him. He seems to have disappeared from the site and I can't find the link to Mr. Kasper's works. Hope it was you or maybe Mr. Wigo? I have lost the contacts name and e-mail. Thanks.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I thought Robert Mitchum was dead. Crabby?


Entered at Thu Mar 13 13:37:44 CET 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

E N

My Answer to Mr Rob Mitchum (his site doesn't offer this possibility, thus i'm abusing of the Jan GB)

Robbie is know for his eloquence, his line is clever and almost prophetic
The pharmaceutic industry was then attended by a whole generation, not only the musicians. Pointing out that 26 years later about the dead, and the schools mention, is an evident proof of a non imaginative (non-stoned) brain, and a complete absence of sensitivity
"Garth Hudson in mad scientist mode", there are no made scientist, and Garth is actually a scientist in his domain
The elogious description of Levon is widely below his reality...

It's curious that such a document didnt make the subject of justice pursuit, i'm not aware of US laws, but once again, everyone must take example of the (!!!) freedom of speech in USA-CA (I guess the site is in USA, the concerned are from CA), while elsewhere in the world....remember Salman Rushdie.....


Entered at Thu Mar 13 12:42:01 CET 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

E N

Web: My link

Subject: Mr Rob Mitchum, but what about Scorcese, is him a perfect human being?

Some people are allowed to write whatever they want, (while we are not allowed in the GB ) A certain Rob Mitchum in a review of TLW dated April 2002 for some suspicious site (the link) named "WE ARE THE WORLD: THE ARCHIVE":

"1) Interview with The Band. Conducted by Scorsese at The Band's Shangri-La Studio headquarters, the greatest insight these up-close-and-personal conversations provide is that The Band was very familiar with the, um, pharmaceutical industry at the time. Seriously, the segments where bassist Rick Danko or keyboardist Richard Manuel are on screen should be shown in schools as part of the DARE program. Even Robbie Robertson (you may know him from the Gap commercials), who was reportedly most into the idea of making the film, comes off like a serious burnout, uttering lines like, "It's the beginning of the beginning of the end of the beginning." Only drummer Levon Helm shows evidence of viable remaining brain cells, passionately reminiscing about Southern music while wearing a trucker mesh hat. Stick to the rock, I say."

A little positive point for Levon, and not in "this wheel's on fire". Note that the memory of both Richard and Rick is spoiled

Ed: Thanks for the statistics


Entered at Thu Mar 13 12:36:26 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Lil...walking in anothers shoes is sobering, my Mom always said theres always someone who has it worse than you, at the time your going through thoses things it doesn't seem possiable but mostly it is, my close friends lost there son two years ago now, he was 12, need I say more when I think things in my life are not good....Well at least one good thing happened for that Mom and her four kids, they got to talk to someone who cared...


Entered at Thu Mar 13 12:22:01 CET 2003 from mcha-aj172.taconic.net (205.231.150.172)

Posted by:

Lil

Subject: Dave Z/perspective

Dave Z: (Hi!:-) Thank you so much for your wonderful post about your trip and evening with Garth and Maud. You have no idea how disappointed I was that I couldn't make it. As I've told you before, you are a wonderful, descriptive writer..and your words always make me feel as if I'm right there in the moment.

The rest of this post is neither Band related nor music related.. so please scroll on by if it doesn't interest you.

I wanted to mention the immense joy that much of us feel today upon hearing that a little girl who was missing for 8 months has been found.. alive and well.. and returned to her family. These days, happy endings seem very hard to come by. I think we all needed one.

I've spent the better part of the past couple of weeks feeling sad and depressed over some personal issues, and something happened yesterday that put it all into perspective for me.
There's a woman (in her 30's) that comes into my day job quite often with her 4 beautiful kids (ages 2-6..all blond haired and blue eyed) and the kids bring me pictures they've drawn. Once or twice their dad has been in as well. They seemed like a such a nice family.
Well, last night at my second job, I met up with the mom and the 4 kids again. My second job is at a domestic violence center. I don't need to say anymore.
Perspective is a funny thing. When life seems like it's all going in the wrong direction, it's good to take a look at others. Makes life not seem so bad afterall.

Have a good day everyone.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Cousin Paul

Thanks for that mate. Can't remember a post ever quite giving me such a buzz before as that one about your Rick and Bruce. I can picture the scene so vividly - Bruce like this starry-eyed teenager and the naturally self-effacing Rick possibly even thinking it should be the other way round. Beautiful.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 06:35:36 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Bones: Elvis Costello is doing the talk show host thing as I post... and he's quite funny... nice to hear he thanked Danko at R&R HOF ceremonies...


Entered at Thu Mar 13 06:34:39 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Dave Z...thanks for the travel info...would love to make that trip, my sister who I havn't seen in a while lives in Chicago, your description of the show was great, Garth and Maud sound like the greatest folks... it's pretty cool that someone this talented is so humble, a coworker of mine is a soundman localally and has worked with some 70's and 80s bands coming through town on the geezer tour, being humble in some cases is not there nature.....


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Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Bruce

Mr. Wigo. I will admit my admiration of you,not only because of you committment to this site and what it means to you, but your unpretentous knowledge of music as a whole. I did not know if I should jump in on these Bruce talks, but I am going to. Back during the 0riginal Ringo Tour, They were playing Jones Beach, Bruce shows up and gets invitted to sing the encore, Get High With A Little Help From My Friends. Rick is telling me how excited he was to get to be on the same stage as The Boss. To make a long story short, Rick tells me that after the show everywhere he went,Bruce was right beside him. Poor Rick just did not understand that it was one of the pleasures of Bruces life that he got a chance to get to hang around with Rick Danko!! Working class artists. Just like you Mr. Wigo. Life is good, Paul.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: THE GRAND US OF A

Subject: What an amazing site

All I have to say is "WOW"! I have never been on such a complete web site for any band such as this. It blows all other band web sites away. Amazed to see that it's updated almost everyday as well. Someone is dedicated to bringing The Band's music to others! Keep up the great work!


Entered at Thu Mar 13 06:09:23 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.162.86)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Weight

I'll try this again.....did anyone hear the version of "The Weight" on the TV show "Everwood?" I think it's Cassandra Wilson; but I'm not sure.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 05:30:22 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Back to the Beginning

Lifeboy, I would offer the same advise to a new Band fan -- go back to the beginning and work forward. Springsteen's essence is in those first two albums. If you're not seaside already, Bruce will take you there. Carnival lights, fortune tellers, Tilt-A-Whirls. You'll get a really good flavor of his world as a teenager and young adult.

Once again the recordings did not capture Bruce's power of performance but the songs are gems. Personal favorites are "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)", "New York City Serenade", "Wild Billy's Circus Story","For You" and a long list of others. It's all great stuff. Enjoy the journey regardless of where you jump on the path.


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Posted by:

Paul

Location: Chicago

If you buy the River you'll end up with something good. But the demo album that Bruce ended up releasing was Nebraska. It's an acoustic guitar and harmonica record, very stripped, recorded on four tracks in a home-style tape recorder. Peter Viney's advice about what to buy first is probably the way to go with any new musician. My own guy, who I had never heard before but suddenly wanted to get everything, was Tony Joe White.


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Thanks Guys

To all, I've got "The River" pencilled in for my next Bruce purchase just cos I'm interested in the fact that it was (apparently)the demos he'd recorded for the album and after trying to re-record them decided to release them as they were, I've come to realise(as early on for me as it is)that I like Bruce's stuff when it is stark\stripped and basic, a lot of the 80's stuff sounds a bit clinical to me because of that era's production style, I'm probably sounding really anal here but there is something about that decade that seems to lose that lovely warm timeless sound that records had prior to it and technology now seems to try and maintain elements of that warm analog sound thankfully, having said that...in the Uncut magazine article the guy from Counting Crows does actually say that some of that stuff is great in terms of songwriting if you can get past the nasty production, I can imagine a song like "I'm On Fire" sounding a lot better than it's recorded version, can you imagine the guys from The Band singing that?!!...Wow! I'm making the Neil Young shows a priority because he is one of my all time faves and I've yet to see him live but I will definately try and squeeze the Bruce shows in if my cash flow permits. As Peter says, one of the great joys is discovering someone and seeing that whole back catalogue there to explore, actually there's a whole new subject there...it's funny how some people describe that kind of thing as "retro", I always say that something is as new as when you first hear it, the only thing I knew about Van was "Gloria" and "Brown Eyed Girl" and then after seeing TLW I went mad and got loads of his stuff. I get just as big a kick out of checking out some of that old suff as I do from a new "happening" thing, more so in fact. I write songs and I get endless inspiration from going back and checking out what has gone before and it's amazing how one thing leads on to another. Anyway I'm waffling now, thanks again chaps.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 01:46:09 CET 2003 from 213-48-240-239.liv.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk (213.48.240.239)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: PV/Lifeboy

Difficult. I opted for Tracks because of it covering his entire career of mainly previously unreleased stuff - and it's also got 'Janey don't you lose heart' on it which is...mmmm. It gives a good feel for how his career developed. They reckon his albums are like the tip of an iceberg. For each one he writes around a hundred songs and develops around 30 which is why there's so much unreleased.

I suppose if I was buying his main albums then I'd agree with Pete on BTR or else The River. To be honest tho Lifeboy you can't go far wrong with any.

As Pete says Tunnel of Love is a grossly underrated album which charts his marriage break up and attraction to Patti Scialfa which was tearing the poor guy apart and it's all there on record for us to hear about. Basically just Bruce with guitar and synthesiser and the odd bit of Roy Bittan

Even Tom Joad I find to be an amazing album that uses the Grapes of Wrath analogy for the poor mexican immigrants down south.

The only album I can't recommend that highly is Human Touch. Some of his least inspired stuff on there.

Hope that helps along with the other's comments.


Entered at Thu Mar 13 01:27:28 CET 2003 from 213-48-240-239.liv.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk (213.48.240.239)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: BrOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOce

Bob [and JD] are spot on there Lifeboy. Neil Y will be great as ever I'm sure but Bruce will wrench that lifeforce from within you, send it spinning twice round the planet and then pack you off home feeling like ten million dollars. You'll be floating so high you'll be ready to wallpaper the loft. Second thoughts go see Neil Young. :-o)


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: FRED

Wow - who needs e-mails with synchronisation like this. Why it must be tomorrow morning already and here's me not finished me cocoa!!!


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Why do I always get the blame?

LOL! Eagle eye Sam. Great call from Dave tho eh Sam.

In the 'pool we'd say that you've got eyes like a shithouse rat for spotting that!!

Actually it only took me 4 hours!!!

20 mins actually but worth it I hope if just a few more read it.

Anyroad, what's this about me liking long posts? I've just come back from one of them precis courses - didn't complete it tho - they cut it short - oh dear :-o)


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Posted by:

Fred

Richard: no, I didn't catch any of the Stones shows in Japan..too far from where I live and too expensive. I think (from what I may have either heard on TV or read in the paper) that the tickets sold out months ago.

I did catch interviews of the Stones on TV, though. But why, oh, why must ALL Japanese reporters ALWAYS ask the same freakin' question (which really isn't a question) "Would you like to say something to the Japanese fans?" To which the interviewee alwyas looks at the camera and says "It's nice to be here" (or some other trite comment along those lines ) Never fails. Japanese show biz people and athletes aren't spared either. However their answers are longer, mainly because they are used to getting asked this, but still the answers sound all the same, fake modesty and all. Along the lines of: "I am humbly at your service, I will do my best. blah, blah blah" They've all taken the same course at Entertainer Training School!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Thunder road

Bill- Walk Like A Man by Bruce is a different song – and while great, is in fact not as good as the Four Seasons song of the same title, which I’ve always planned to include in my Desert Island Top 10 singles.

To expand on my previous post – if you’re starting to explore a new artist there’s a good chance that their three most successful albums will be available on one of those “£6.99 each or three for £20” deals at the record store, giving you three albums for half the price of a 4CD outtakes and B-sides compilation. The latter is of more interest to the established fan, but to establish yourself as a fan, do it cheaper and with a greater guarantee of satisfaction. With The Band I’d advise any new listener to buy the first three albums before touching the ‘Across the Great Divide” box set (or the superior Crossing the Great Divide bootleg).


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Posted by:

Alex

Subject: Thunder

Lest we forget, our compatriot Ed "Crash" Voci, is making his world debut tonight with the Chicago Bar Association Orchestra. How about a round of spoon banging, fork tuning, and fender bender noises to send off our percussionist friend and wish him all the best!!!!

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuce

Live in New York is the best charged up DVD I own. My wife says she can see me smiling from the kitchen.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

You're amazing Al....You just love long posts - even if they're not yours. That must have taken forever :-)


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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto

Subject: Dave Z & Toronto

Dave we hope you (& the family) make it up to Toronto for Maud and Garth's gig. I know this does not have to be said and I know I shouldn't get political; BUT no matter how idiotic our Government is on America's stand right now, please know that

CANADA LOVES YOU GUYS.

I get very sad when I hear some Americans feel we are not behind America. We are. Truth is there are those who don't want war....just like 50% of Americans according to the last pole. Whatever happens..we've been brothers and sisters sharing the same continent for a long time and nothings going to change!!!!!

BOTTOM LINE..........THE PEOPLE CARE. God Bless us all in these times.


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Posted by:

Bill

Peter: I'm not up on Bruce, so I have to ask you to confirm (pleeese say yes) that his "Walk Like A Man" is not the same as the Four Seasons song (aka "Sing Like A Girl").


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Backtracking on artists …

Lifeboy - one of the great joys is discovering someone and seeing that whole back catalogue there to explore. I'd respectfully disagree with Al on the Tracks box set (worthy though it is) as a starter for Bruce though. I think it's best to go with the perceived wisdom of the market (and the artist's initial choice too) in these cases and get the really screamingly obvious stuff first (and don't bother with Greatest Hits but go for the key classic albums) - in Bruce's case I'd probably run with the critics - Born to Run, Born in the USA, Nebraska (which you have already) first, then next for me is Tunnel of Love - for great songs like Tougher than the Rest, Walk Like A Man etc.

Al- I hope disagreeing over Bruce won't hamper the transfer of Danny Murphy to Bournemouth. I've arranged to meet M. Houlier on the motorway services on the A34 to exchange envelopes. The password is "Gerry Marsden". By 'Bruce' I don't mean Mr Grobellar!


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Posted by:

David Powell

Thanks Dave Z. for sharing your experiences with Garth & Maud. It's great to hear that Garth is really branching out into so many musical directions with his live performances. I'm hoping that the upcoming "Raging Bull" soundtrack will include his work for the film.


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Posted by:

E N

Interesting that way of re-paragraphing the GB, i tried the same exercise in a random way, it gived that

From one post:
I really try to practice what I preach
everyone will try to stick to the program

from the program in question:
Try not to post anything you would not dare to say to someone face to face



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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Lifeboy / Bruuuuuce

Lifeboy, just my opinion but if you've not had the opportunity to see Bruce that's where that cash has to go. His recordings have never captured his energy. I can practically guarantee, as did Al, that you will be moved by the performance. I've been fortunate enough to see him in a one hundred seat venue right on through to the stadium gigs. He is very powerful and his band is top shelf.


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Posted by:

A real nice post

Subject: Dave Z's trip to see Garth

Hope you don't mind Dave but yours was far too good and heartfelt a post to be passed by so I've taken the liberty of paragraphing it a bit to make it a bit more inviting:-

Dave Z's account of he and his family's trip to see Garth

I feel very fortunate to have experienced another of the… intimate evenings with Maud & Garth… \\

And this time I was able to include my wife and kids in the adventure… well, more like a musical dreamtime… where you bask in the candle light of a dark café in the sleepy town of Woodstock… half melted snow everywhere… and you wait for something very special to happen…

An article in the Woodstock Times read that the show would start at 8 pm or thereabouts… but in dreamtime you don’t really measure arrival or departure times… in fact for me the concert started at the perfect time…

My little girl had just fallen asleep to the sound of Freebird blasting from this cool Wurlitzer jukebox… just as Garth walked into the café…

Earlier I had chased her through a do-loop of… up the back stairs to the second level… across the floor above the stage… and down the stairs on the other side… we must have done about 23 laps when I stopped counting and started to notice the cool metal sculpture work which included a coyote… and a city scene where some sharpie chases a woman in the street with a knife while onlookers peak out of windows above… both scenes backlit by strong red lighting…

The jukebox also served as a perfect warmup band and played some great Tom Pacheco tunes… with fluorescent bubbles rising along the sides which my kids watched when they weren’t dancing… and then there was the warmup drum dude tuning his African like drums to match the grand piano… and building suspense with each tinkering...

He came real early, did lots of fiddling with things… and then abruptly left after doing just the opening number with the Hudsons… I later learned it was all total improvisation… where Garth joined the drums first on a horn… then on an accordian I hadn’t seen before… and it was a wonderful… meditation, I think he called it… The evening ended for a bunch of us in a diner at about 4 am… after the Hudsons treated us to some great stories… definitely good dreamtime…

I think they said this was the first of this type of show for them in Woodstock… and whereas in London, Garth donned the famous bone hat… and the stage bore a gigantic candlera… this time he wore a more simple, western, humble, and country looking hat… and I noticed only a lone pine-green colored candle in front of Maud’s Apple…

I feel like maybe I should start really beefing up the pomposity and self-importance of my post to counter balance things a bit… because this show… this whole evening appeared to be about the opposite… casual, friendly, loose… non-evil may work for some… I prefer non-self-important… in fact the Hudsons appeared to be less self-important than anybody in the audience…

One guy grumbled on in the back, lost in his own bad trip I’m guessing…

Anyway, back to the café… where me and my boys got lost in a quarter tossing bar game right up until things got really rolling…

And then during the performance, Garth could be heard mumbling out a ProTools tutorial here and there… shouting out “we’ll cut that out later” or “here’s another bridge” and even did some fancy flight-of-the-Bumble-Bee like playing in order to preview what was coming up later in the show while he was actually doing the show…

Also, after a number of songs… he would say something like “and there’s more too”…

Overall the playing sounded more barrelhouse and less of the orchestration style to me… but what do I know, I’m just another non-musical idiot… trying to stay in the moment…

Maud said the upcoming May shows are intended to showcase Garth’s skills to the limits (my words here), so look out Toronto…

Maud’s singing was beautiful tonight also… I really think they are on to something fantastic… Listen to Garth’s Largo and you know what I’m talking about… Weep For Me, the weeping willow song is awesome!!!… Maud said they plan to use a guitar to make weeping willow sounds in the future when the band tours… and she also spoke of compressed heavy metal… and even hip hop at one point…

I guess Marty Grebb also sounds a wee bit inspired by Richard when he sings… definitely something to look forward to when the band starts up its shows…

God, I got to figure out a way to Toronto now....

Continuing on, I love their cover of Blind Willie McTell… mysterious and whispering like the wind through saloon doors of an old ghost town… and the lyrics of the “stand by me” song were great… it was a funny romp and I seem to recall its tone coinciding well with Garth joking at one point that during their recent European trip they showed up two hours early and nobody was there,

so… again, they are definitely not self-important…

And they also performed my family’s recently adopted theme song… the Hawk’s Five Dollar Fine For Whining song… which we sang along with…

My little Matthew perked up with recognition during “The Shape I’m In”… and btw I noticed a good amount of kids here and there too…

Well, I’ve probably rambled on enough… Alex did a great job describing things… I'm kinda tired too... lots goes on at a live show that’s a whole story in and of itself… It was nice to meet all the guys in Yesterday’s News… and I really enjoyed talking with Stu Hruska and his lovely wife while I was loading up my kids… and then later at the diner…

And Richard Wall, I enjoyed evesdropping as you talked with Yesterday’s News… not realizing who you were until it was time to leave… otherwise I would have cornered you for a few words myself…

And thanks to the G-Man for breakfast in Buffalo… I think we would have froze to death standing in that Walgreens parking lot afterwards, waiting for my wife to pick up some speakers for our DVD player had it not been for the fact that we were talking about the JWB’s recent finger-lakes-picking for the local college folks…

Finally, I’ll sneak in that Garth & Maud also told a cool story about the pipe organ in TLW at the end of the movie… and said it was actually very small and could be worn as an accordian type instrument… and also might make a fine interactive museum piece if I heard it right… because they have it!!!…

The Hudsons are soooo gracious to their fans…

I especially enjoyed watching them intensely talk with the younger musicians… Garth was so intense he didn’t touch his food until it was about time to go… and I loved Maud’s story about how Hirth Martinez first introduced them, in part to see what it would be like to hear their two slow voices mixing together…

She also gave me lots too think about regarding her vocal motivations… and treated me to a brief lullaby she had wanted to sing for my kids… Thank you so very much for sharing your time with us Maud & Garth…

I’m so excited about the music that is coming down the pipe in the near future from you guys… not to mention what I’ve had the experience to hear live…

Happy trails…

Damn, and I forgot to ask Garth about the story behind the bone hat… somebody, please…

You know, you really can't tell people to go to these shows... whether it's Levon, Garth, JWB or the Crowmatix... they just have to come to a realization or synchronicity on their own accord... and when you hear it... zap!!!!!!!!!!

There you be... good music, good people...

And a fabulous piece Dave. Many thanks mate.


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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Fortunately for the rest of you, I didn't get around to encouraging you stay up past midnight to catch Danny Brooks (with Richard Bell et al) on TV last night. Turns out that the appearance was postponed until March 20. Here's a note on the subject from Danny's label:

"Apologies to anyone who tuned in to Open Mike with Mike Bullard last night to see the Gospel Allstars and found themselves watching a repeat show from a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately Mike was quite ill yesterday, and his producers sent him home and cancelled the show! However, they still recorded the band's performance, which will air Thursday Mar. 20th, and Danny Brooks will go back into the studio to do an interview with Mike at that time. Initial reports verify that "the band SMOKED!", so don't miss it!

"The performers ~ Danny Brooks, Hiram Joseph, Amoy Levy, Ceceal Levy, Michael Fonfara, Richard Bell, Bucky Berger, Dennis Pinhorn, and Mitch Lewis. Whew!

"Once again, the NorthernBlues Gospel Allstars on Open Mike with Mike Bullard ~ Mar. 20th, CTV and the Comedy Network. www.open-mike.com"


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Al Edge

Hi Al, I'm diddling fine thanks and good to see you back on here, brightens the place up. Cheers for the Springsteen reccomendations, I'm counting my pennies at the moment, I want see Neil Young on his forthcoming European tour and at the moment no UK date has been added so the nearest one is Paris but if the wallet will allow I may check out Bruce's Crystal Palace show as well. I keep hearing about what a great live show he does, something else quite apart from the recorded stuff I gather. I'll definately check out that "Tracks" thing you mentioned, cheers.


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Birthdays!!

James Taylor 55, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, 58.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Can you imagine - being deprived of the song "Brown Sugar"?

Now THAT'S cruel.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Nice post Eddie Lehwald.....I really try to practice what I preach. I have to run from the computer sometimes so as not to put my two-cents in on something like the upcoming war.....I keep hoping that everyone will try to stick to the program - eventually. I hate when the GB gets shut down.

I walked over to a guys desk at work today who had a bootleg CD playing through his PC. It was a nice live version of "Brown Sugar" (which can't be played in China - too bad). Anyway, I stood and admired how tight the Stones sounded, until the vocal came in, and it was Dylan. It was quite a shock to the system to expect Jagger's voice, and to get Zimmy's instead. I wondered what Bob was thinking when he chose that song to sing. The band sounded dynamite though.

Oh - if the first part of my post somehow pisses anyone off, and they want to call me names, my e-mail is =

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com


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Posted by:

Alex

Dave Z: does not sound like you are a non musical idiot to me. You obviously feel real music enough to have the good sense and willingness to travel over hill and dale to see a one hour Garth and Maud show and be thrilled and delighted that you caught the show.. Now, someone who would cross the street, or waste 5 minutes to LISTEN to Brittney Spears, or entertainment on that level, that is a non musical idiot. I commend you for including your family and setting your offspring on a healthy musical course.

Parts of your post were a little cryptic. What is this about a band and vocalists? Is Marty Grebb going to be a vocalist in a Garth Hudson band? Is said band going to be in the Toronto shows? I am sure inquiring GBers would like to know.



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Posted by:

E N

Subject: sorry for the miss

BEG said "All is POEtry"


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Posted by:

E N

Subject: Hank

Don Corleone said "All is Famiglia"
King said "All is Dream"

1 - True: "I hope The Muslims love their children, too". Yes and they must love the children of the Jews and Christians too...That was the credo of Islam, no Islam without recognizing first Judaism and Christianism (in theory)
2 - False: "do not fear so-called Islamic fundamentalists", did really Rick Danko said that? or if it is your belief, are you serious? Say aint so Please....
3 - uncertain: "politicos who armed and bank-rolled these dudes to the teeth years ago", Perhaps an answer from Jackson Browne in

"LIVES IN THE BALANCE" (1986 same title Album)

I've been waiting for something to happen For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember When you know that you've seen it before
Where a government lies to a people And a country is drifting to war
And there's a shadow on the faces Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the T.V You hear one thing again and again
How the U.S.A. stands for freedom And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends-These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can't take any more And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons And there is blood on the wire
There's a shadow on the faces Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places Where we can't even say the names

They sell us the President the same way They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are But they're never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons And there is blood on the wire

Thanks Hank, be sure i am not pretentious to give any lesson. You gived me the chance for something I expected from the begining: to post the lyrics of one song of JACKSON BROWNE (my everlasting musical hero, whose sometimes i dont share the political views)


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Posted by:

jeffrey

Web: My link

Subject: Charlie Daniels

Maybe this is the sort of thing Charlie Daniels supports,but I don't think most folks would.(link)


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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: 2003 Hall Of Fame

I have just returned from New York where I was lucky to attend this year's Induction Dinner honoring The Clash, the Police, the Righteous Brothers, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, and AC/DC.

I may write more about the evening later, but wanted to share some quick Band-related items:

Elvis Costello thanked Rick Danko in his acceptance speech.

Robbie Robertson was there, but did not play this year. As always, he was gracious spending time with me. He verified what John D mentioned in his interview that there will be a long overdue release to the soundtrack of Raging Bull.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Stones in China

This news item is not directly Band related, but it's just so f*cking funny I had to share it with you all...

Rolling Stones to Ax Songs for China Gig

BEIJING (AP) - The Chinese government has ordered the Rolling Stones to ax four of their best-known hits from their landmark mainland shows next month, a concert organizer said Wednesday.

The band, which is scheduled to perform in Shanghai April 1 and in Beijing April 4, will not be allowed to play ``Brown Sugar,'' ``Honky Tonk Woman,'' ``Beast of Burden,'' or ``Let's Spend the Night Together,'' said Chen Jixin head of Beijing Time New Century Entertainment, a concert organizer behind the two China dates.

The four songs, all of which include sexual references, were originally cut from the mainland release of the band's ``40 Licks'' compilation album by China's culture ministry, Chen said. ``Brown Sugar'' refers to an interracial coupling.

The album was released by EMI Records China earlier this year. It was the first Rolling Stones album to legally hit the China market; pirated Stones' CDs are widely available in Shanghai and Beijing.

Chen said she didn't know why the government had banned the four songs. The Chinese Ministry of Culture said no one was immediately available for comment.

Only songs on the officially released ``40 Licks'' album will be allowed during the China shows, Chen said.

The mainland set changes will not be the first time the Stones have run afoul of censors.

In 1967, the Rolling Stones appeared on ``The Ed Sullivan Show'' in the United States to sing ``Let's Spend The Night Together.'' To satisfy censors, Mick Jagger sang ``Let's spend some time together.''

When asked about the Beijing and Shanghai performance dates in Tokyo last week guitarist Keith Richards said: ``It's about time they let us in.''

The band first applied to perform in China in the 1970s and was refused permission.

HEY FRED: Have you seen any of the Japanese shows?


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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: The Military-Industrial-Entertainment Complex Strikes Again!

Has anyone here ever read "The Psychic Battlefield" by W. Adam Mandlebaum?

Its sub-title is "Behind the lines of Paranormal ESPionage".........It is essential reading to understand what goes on during the build-up to, the commencement of and the direction of war.......the winning of hearts and minds which leads to the spilling of blood is a very old game.....be careful before you throw your lot behind Charlie Daniels or Sean Penn......you will be identified, targeted and nailed down in short order......

The thing to do, as our good guru Rick Danko told us, is to help out around the neighbourhood....protect your neighbourhood.....everything good in your life will follow from this......do not fear so-called Islamic fundamentalists ......fear the nameless big business/politicos who armed and bank-rolled these dudes to the teeth years ago........THEY, and their heirs, are the ones who would destroy your neighbourhood.......THEY are the ones who do not respect the ideals of Democracy that The USA was founded on....THEY are the ones who built The WTC in order for it to be destroyed in the future......THEY are the ones who have the population of The USA running scared and forgetting about taking care of the neighbourhood......

During his interview with Saddam, I thought it was interesting the way Dan Rather referred to George Bush SR. as George Bush "The First"......Sounds like a monarchy to me.....nothing at all to do with democracy.....

I would say the same to Muslims; help out around your neighbourhood and do not fear The USA....you've all got cousins there and you all want what the USA has.....trade with them.....I hope The Muslims love their children, too....and I'm sure they do.....I hope they overthrow the warmongers in THEIR neighbourhoods........

Peace, my friends and enemies........


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Posted by:

Alex

Peter: Adding the accompaniements to the water...sounds like you have been to a few good parties in your time, Peter. Actually, sounds like you hung out with the 5 friends Jan honors with this wonderful site we are all enjoying. I could sure see some of the guys doing something like that , most or all of them getting a big kick out of it, a variety of reactions and plenty of noteworthy remarks.

thank you most kindly for contributing a description of a physical action that has inspired a different scene in my brain, that i have used as inspiration for a scene that will now appear in a Band comic strip. The degree of clarification that I just tortuously navigated was required so noone accuses me of ripping you off. No new writing feuds arising in this guestbook, brother Viney. We have enough already.


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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks John D... you're right, I can't even re-read what I wrote... too much work...

Anybody else out there listening to Burrito Deluxe? I rush ordered it for my trip... and was pissed to find out that my UPS put it somewhere in my garage a day before I left... and of course they are all out for 1-2 weeks now... so I went straight to the indie site and re-ordered...

Jerry, if you ever are serious about driving out east... it's really a piece of cake... you get on 94E which turns into 90... drive around Chicago... and stay on it until Albany where it turns into 87... then its a hop to the Woodstock exit... and all along the way there are alternating rest stops for lodging and food... we didn't even book hotels on the way... just winged it...

The R&R HOF in Cleveland is really cool too... lot's of stuff... I especially liked the Alan Freed exhibit they had up... and all the concert flyers showcase a lot of graphic arts brilliance... and I'm mostly talking the 50's-60's non-pyschedelic stuff (though I like that too)... but the Band doesn't have a lot of stuff... the Cahoots cover painting is cool... and there doesn't seem to be any order to presenting the inductees in a hall... if you know what I mean... I also think it's kinda cool that I caught the real Hall of Fame show on Sat... then went the other direction stopping in Cleveland while the new inductee ceremony was going on in NY...

Take care. I'm tired.


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Posted by:

Jules

Location: USA/Midwest

Just saw Joan Baez in concert last night. Knew she'd perform "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"...but was surprised she actually gave thanks to Robertson for his great anti-war tune. I never really looked at the song as being anti-war...now I see it differently after last night.


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Posted by:

Bill

I picked up Doug Kershaw's "Flip Flop and Fly" LP over the weekend, mostly because it has him doing "Rag Mama Rag", with Dr John on piano. The album, recorded in '77, is dedicated to "the band"; my guess is that he intended to dedicate it to our guys but that the record company didn't catch the capital B.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Fallen Angel

Interesting.......I Believe that Ros would see herself as a Fallen Angel.


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Posted by:

E N

Pardon Peter, i guess it was "The ScrollBar is on the RIGHT"
E N said "All is Music"
ObiWan said "All is Force".....


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Dave Z & Paragraphs

Dave remember to use backslash n when you want to start a new paragraph. Makes for easier reading. The it will look like this.

Thanks for all the info on the concert.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 15:29:38 CET 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

E N - Now Dankoian and still exotic

Subject: Quotes of th day

1 - The Diaporama of my last link are, in apearing order:
Jim Morrison
Janis Joplin
Jimmy Hendrix
Buddy Holly
Tupac Shakur
Karen Carpenter...remember.. every shalalala every wohowoho still shines...every shingalingaling...so fine....confidence: my past secret and hopeless love...that girl...
Elvis Presley
Brian Jones
The shorter is the flame, the more it shines...or...Nothing gold can stay

2 - Lyrics of "Pilot of the Airwaves" by Charlie Dore (1980).....As a request to the posters:

Pilot of the airwaves, Here is my request
You don't have to play it, But I hope you'll do your best
I've been listening to your show On the radio
And you seem like a friend to me...........
Or a record of your choice I don' t mind
I'd be happy just to hear your voice
Saying this is for the girl, Who didn't sign her name
Yes, she needs a dedication just the same........
Late at night I'm still listening Don' t waste my time chasing sleep
People say I look weary, But that 's just the company I keep
Ooooh, you make the nighttime race, Ooooh, I don't need to see your face
You're sounding good sounding good sounding good to me..........

3 - William Blake in The Marriage of Heaven and Hell: "If the DOORS of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite."
Aldous Huxley named his book "the DOORS of perception"
And James Douglas Morrison named his band "the DOORS"
The circle is close

4 - Moses said "All is Law"
Jesus said "All is Love"
Gandhi said "All is Aihmsa"
Marx said "All is Matter"
Freud said "All is Sex"
Mullah Omar said "All is Jihad"
Einstein, the clever of them all said "All is ....Relative"
Peter Viney said "The ScrollBar is on the left"


Entered at Wed Mar 12 15:10:34 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

Peter V: maybe you weren't invited to the hot tub bash because you didn't have the proper Victoria's Secret attire!


Entered at Wed Mar 12 14:38:02 CET 2003 from du-tele3-181.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.181)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Ed: good luck with that cymbal tomorrow. Take a deep breath and hit it. I haven't disappeared, I'm just sulking because the other guys went in the hot tub without inviting me. Must have been something I did last time. I guess we Brits are weak on hot tub etiquette. If they'd told me the accompaniments were that expensive I'd never have added them to the water. Just seemed like a good idea at the time.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 14:12:12 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.154)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Smart Alex

Now, now Alex. Let's not get a rash when someone decides to play along. You had your fun although I believe we would be hard pressed to find any belly laughers out there as a result.

Pat's the one that put you in the hot tub there Alex, not me. My suggestion if you are so inclined to accept it.....don't force it. Funny is funny and we all know when it happens. Have fun discussing the music, you've shown a real capacity for that. And steer clear of Pat for now. I think he is rutting.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 11:46:01 CET 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Posted by:

E N ( an exotic and loyal Levonistan)

Web: My link

Subject: He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first - John 8.7

From "Guitar Player" Magazine, September 1998 issue, an article titled
"Pop Architecture: Hitmakers Reveal the Building Blocks of Songcraft"
By Michael Molenda and Kyle Swenson

ROBBIE ROBERTSON

With his cohorts in The Band, guitarist Robbie Robertson mined the roots of Americana to write some of rock's most poignant elegies to the South and the rural tradition. For his latest solo album, Contact from the Underworld of Redboy [Capitol], Robertson has, for the most part, abandoned conventional songwriting methods in favor of improvising to loops and cutting and pasting sonic snippets into haunting soundscapes.

The Process:
"There's something to be said for experimentation - breaking some of the boundaries and challenging yourself. There's nothing wrong with sitting at the piano, writing some nice chord changes, putting a melody to those changes, and adding a potent lyric. But there are other means of discovering the song. I don't know of any right or wrong, or good or bad, in any method. I think whatever inspires you - and provokes you into getting at what is deep down inside you - is the best method.
"Using an unfamiliar method, however, can lead you down a path where you don't resort to the same type of structure and melodic intent. For some of the songs on Contact from the Underworld of Redboy, I'd make a strange noise on the guitar, then record it and loop it. Or I'd program a drum loop. Often that little noise and that little rhythm would make me want to write a song, so I'd improvise over it until something developed. Now, this is a different writing process from the Cole Porter method of sitting at the piano with a cold martini, but I find it's very healthy - in a creative sense - to keep yourself slightly off balance.
"I don't have a typical method. The songwriting process for me is 'all of the above.' You have to leave room for mistakes and discoveries. Sometimes I start out with some chords; sometimes I write songs that have no chords. Sometimes I have a title, or the first line of the chorus, or the last line of the song. I can start a song with anything that I feel is worth pursuing. And that's the only 'rule' that I've got."

Overthinking:
"I try, to the best of my ability, not to think the song to death. The main criteria for me is if it's working on an emotional level. If I'm writing a song, and something is happening that has the potential to give me goosebumps, then I'll want to pursue that path. I got into music in the very beginning because I heard music that gave me chills. And I thought, 'I want to do that. I want to give somebody else chills!' So, for me, it's all about discovering the emotions in the music."

Guitar Parts:
"The nature of the sound and feel of a guitar can play a role in the songwriting process. For example, I might be playing a lick on one guitar, and then grab another guitar that has a completely different feel to it. Just switching instruments will make me do something altogether different.
"Also, I have my studio set up where all my pedals and stuff are plugged in and ready to go. So, just to find a starting place, I've found it's often fruitful to scramble the knobs on everything and hope that I stumble across something that makes sense - or, even better, something that makes no sense,- but that sounds really good!"


Entered at Wed Mar 12 11:41:14 CET 2003 from mcha-aj049.taconic.net (205.231.150.49)

Posted by:

Lil

Hey Paulie.. here's a funny autograph story for you. Not only did your cousin like giving autographs, he sometimes insisted on giving them!

When Rick gave me the "Breeze Hill" cd, I started to take it from him..but he was still holding onto it and saying "Let me sign it for you". I was trying to take it out of this hand, telling him I didn't need an autograph, but he was kind of smiling and pulling it towards him, saying "yes you do". There was a mini, semi cd tug-o-war for a few seconds, and finally I conceded and let him sign it for me. He wrote something very personal and very sweet.. and when all is said and done.. I'm very happy to have that stupid autograph now.

Have a good day everyone.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 09:22:53 CET 2003 from proxy.newmedia.no (212.71.66.13)

Posted by:

Jens Magnus

Location: Norway

Subject: goodbye

Tried to log on to the guestbook after some time away, but the climate is still too mean. Luckily this site contains heaps of interesting stuff elsewhere. Thanks to Jan for his "Whats new" site. Goodbye guestbook.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 08:39:33 CET 2003 from (216.12.1.146)

Posted by:

Eddie Lehwald

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Dave Z, the Evil Robertson Debate

Dave, glad to here you and the fam got home alright. All of us Yesterday's News-ers had a great time sitting around at the cafe...by the way, now that I've heard Garth's story about the pipe organ, I can't watch the 'Last Waltz' without staring at it, the thing really is tiny.

And in regards to the Evil Robertson scandal....I'd just like to take this opportunity to draw everyone's attention to the rules that appear on your screen every time you sign this guestbook;

1. Please use e-mail for private/personal messages (like e.g. "you ignorant pig, how can you say that etc...").

2. Think before you post. Try not to post anything you would not dare to say to someone face to face.

This website should be a resource to discuss and learn more about one of the finest groups of musicians to ever find each other (i.e. the 'Next of Kin' information).

This is the Band's website, not "The Richard Manuel, Rick Danko, Garth Hudson, and Levon Helm Extravaganza". All five members contributed to the Band's success, and the music would not be the same if any one of them had not been there, so take it easy on Robbie. If there was a five dollar fine for whining in this guestbook, a good many of you wouldn't be able to afford the internet service required to post.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 07:34:33 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

I feel very fortunate to have experienced another of the… intimate evenings with Maud & Garth… and this time I was able to include my wife and kids in the adventure… well, more like a musical dreamtime… where you bask in the candle light of a dark café in the sleepy town of Woodstock… half melted snow everywhere… and you wait for something very special to happen… An article in the Woodstock Times read that the show would start at 8 pm or thereabouts… but in dreamtime you don’t really measure arrival or departure times… in fact for me the concert started at the perfect time… my little girl had just fallen asleep to the sound of Freebird blasting from this cool Wurlitzer jukebox… just as Garth walked into the café… earlier I had chased her through a do-loop of… up the back stairs to the second level… across the floor above the stage… and down the stairs on the other side… we must have done about 23 laps when I stopped counting and started to notice the cool metal sculpture work which included a coyote… and a city scene where some sharpie chases a woman in the street with a knife while onlookers peak out of windows above… both scenes backlit by strong red lighting… the jukebox also served as a perfect warmup band and played some great Tom Pacheco tunes… with fluorescent bubbles rising along the sides which my kids watched when they weren’t dancing… and then there was the warmup drum dude tuning his African like drums to match the grand piano… and building suspense with each tinkering... he came real early, did lots of fiddling with things… and then abruptly left after doing just the opening number with the Hudsons… I later learned it was all total improvisation… where Garth joined the drums first on a horn… then on an accordian I hadn’t seen before… and it was a wonderful… meditation, I think he called it… the evening ended for a bunch of us in a diner at about 4 am… after the Hudsons treated us to some great stories… definitely good dreamtime… I think they said this was the first of this type of show for them in Woodstock… and whereas in London, Garth donned the famous bone hat… and the stage bore a gigantic candlera… this time he wore a more simple, western, humble, and country looking hat… and I noticed only a lone pine-green colored candle in front of Maud’s Apple… I feel like maybe I should start really beefing up the pomposity and self-importance of my post to counter balance things a bit… because this show… this whole evening appeared to be about the opposite… casual, friendly, loose… non-evil may work for some… I prefer non-self-important… in fact the Hudsons appeared to be less self-important than anybody in the audience… One guy grumbled on in the back, lost in his own bad trip I’m guessing… Anyway, back to the café… where me and my boys got lost in a quarter tossing bar game right up until things got really rolling… and then during the performance, Garth could be heard mumbling out a ProTools tutorial here and there… shouting out “we’ll cut that out later” or “here’s another bridge” and even did some fancy flight-of-the-Bumble-Bee like playing in order to preview what was coming up later in the show while he was actually doing the show… also, after a number of songs… he would say something like “and there’s more too”… Overall the playing sounded more barrelhouse and less of the orchestration style to me… but what do I know, I’m just another non-musical idiot… trying to stay in the moment… Maud said the upcoming May shows are intended to showcase Garth’s skills to the limits (my words here), so look out Toronto… Maud’s singing was beautiful tonight also… I really think they are on to something fantastic… Listen to Garth’s Largo and you know what I’m talking about… Weep For Me, the weeping willow song is awesome!!!… Maud said they plan to use a guitar to make weeping willow sounds in the future when the band tours… and she also spoke of compressed heavy metal… and even hip hop at one point… I guess Marty Grebb also sounds a wee bit inspired by Richard when he sings… definitely something to look forward to when the band starts up its shows… God, I got to figure out a way to Toronto now.... continuing on, I love their cover of Blind Willie McTell… mysterious and whispering like the wind through saloon doors of an old ghost town… and the lyrics of the “stand by me” song were great… it was a funny romp and I seem to recall its tone coinciding well with Garth joking at one point that during their recent European trip they showed up two hours early and nobody was there, so… again, they are definitely not self-important… and they also performed my family’s recently adopted theme song… the Hawk’s Five Dollar Fine For Whining song… which we sang along with… My little Matthew perked up with recognition during “The Shape I’m In”… and btw I noticed a good amount of kids here and there too…Well, I’ve probably rambled on enough… Alex did a great job describing things… I'm kinda tired too... lots goes on at a live show that’s a whole story in and of itself… It was nice to meet all the guys in Yesterday’s News… and I really enjoyed talking with Stu Hruska and his lovely wife while I was loading up my kids… and then later at the diner… and Richard Wall, I enjoyed evesdropping as you talked with Yesterday’s News… not realizing who you were until it was time to leave… otherwise I would have cornered you for a few words myself… and thanks to the G-Man for breakfast in Buffalo… I think we would have froze to death standing in that Walgreens parking lot afterwards, waiting for my wife to pick up some speakers for our DVD player had it not been for the fact that we were talking about the JWB’s recent finger-lakes-picking for the local college folks… finally, I’ll sneak in that Garth & Maud also told a cool story about the pipe organ in TLW at the end of the movie… and said it was actually very small and could be worn as an accordian type instrument… and also might make a fine interactive museum piece if I heard it right… because they have it!!!… the Hudsons are soooo gracious to their fans… I especially enjoyed watching them intensely talk with the younger musicians… Garth was so intense he didn’t touch his food until it was about time to go… and I loved Maud’s story about how Hirth Martinez first introduced them, in part to see what it would be like to hear their two slow voices mixing together… She also gave me lots too think about regarding her vocal motivations… and treated me to a brief lullaby she had wanted to sing for my kids… Thank you so very much for sharing your time with us Maud & Garth… I’m so excited about the music that is coming down the pipe in the near future from you guys… not to mention what I’ve had the experience to hear live… Happy trails… damn, and I forgot to ask Garth about the story behind the bone hat… somebody, please… you know, you really can't tell people to go to these shows... whether it's Levon, Garth, JWB or the Crowmatix... they just have to come to a realization or synchronicity on their own accord... and when you hear it... zap!!!!!!!!!! There you be... good music, good people...


Entered at Wed Mar 12 07:37:19 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

I knew the evil RR thread would get a little ugly, come on folks whats wrong with a good laugh once in a while, with the world situation as it is tuning into this place gives me a good chuckle once in a while..it sure beats speculating about what RR may or may not of said during an interview or disscussing wheather or not RR ordered Garth to put his kids crib togather doesnt it....


Entered at Wed Mar 12 06:45:55 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Ed Voci

Location: Illinois

Subject: Who's Alex and why does he need help?

I've been busy rehearsing for my world premier debut tomorrow evening with the Chicago Bar Association Symphony Orchestra. I aim to become the Garth Hudson of cymbal playing.

In any event, I skimmed the recent posts very quickly and discerned that Evil Knivel was RR's evil twin brother separated from birth but pictured with David Crosby in the Big Pink next of kin photo which did not include Butch cuz no one will take credit for being kin to him especially since he was found with Charlie Daniels wearing red, white and blue Victoria Secret lingerie in a hot tub that Pat Brennan photographed for the cover of the next "School for Fools" blues CD on which Levon will have written two bars of music and played one bar before leaving for vacation with JTull Fan who is really looking for Peter Viney who has all but disappeared.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 05:54:27 CET 2003 from hse-toronto-ppp3483509.sympatico.ca (65.92.92.156)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: The Band

Mr. Wigo, Lil,friends of the youknow, Do we have to nurture them? Do they realize we have perhaps one of the best, if not biggest families out their? My father(Rick's Uncle John,) used to say,`If you do not have anything good to say,say nothing.' What am I missing? So much to look forward to, and yet negativety. We know someone would not let us get away with that. Keep on the SUNNY side, always on the sunny side, keep on the SUNNY side of LIFE!! Now if I only had an a autograph,,,,,,,


Entered at Wed Mar 12 05:25:31 CET 2003 from hse-toronto-ppp3483509.sympatico.ca (65.92.92.156)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: I am not sure.

Where do I start? Fallen Angel,I would have to say to you that before you submit anymore of your redundant crap you post daily, that maybe you should go and see someone to get some help before I have to just to read your sickening blather. Your `Quotes` of the day make me want to a burial and dig up a dog I never liked. I have noticed that YOU have liked to use Rick Danko's name in some of your postings like, first of all HE was your friend, and what bothers me the most that you are some sort of expert on how and which way HE lived HIS life. Most of us just do not have HIS autograph, we did not need it,HE was our friend. My `Quote of the Day` Fallen Angel, do us all a favour, do not post anymore like you have promised before`. Next: If I would like to know about politics I will watch C.N.N. I am not finished yet. My good FRIEND Butch,I know where your bread is buttered as I hope the GB also knows, but do you really need to lower yourself to the depths that you have gone just to make/keep a story going? I think you need a trip to Canada to clear your mind. I am sure Me and Moose will take care of that!!! I am only wondering about one thing? How in the hell are you going to get back in the U.S.A.? You look like a Canuck, EH. GBer's, Loosen up before the noose that you throw ends up strangling yourself. Live Long and Prosper, Paul


Entered at Wed Mar 12 05:26:29 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: I can't take it anymore

What has happened here? We are voting on whether to call someone "evil" or not?! I can not take the hate, anger and cynicism any longer. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?!! Can't we just talk about music...past and present. If you want a definitive answer as to who is what and which people were really the heart of the band and who is talented and who isn't....then just look at the dang numbers. The Band made big bucks before Robbie Robertson and didn't after. If Levon is such a talented writer then why did he give all the background information to Robbie so he could be historically accurate...why didn't he write the song himself...why aren't the "Hudsonians" speaking their mind...If Robbie cared about the other members of the band, why didn't he help them when times got rough...were the others even speaking to him by then...and if they weren't talking to him why should he help them since they didn't want any contact.

BASTA...ASSEZ...BASTANTE...ENOUGH!!!

The Band is gone...Richard is dead...Rick is dead...the band is never coming back...Levon has had 27 years to get his money...if he hasn't got it now he isn't going to get it...Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!!! Stop using the past to rip people to shreds and get on the the now!

Good bye and good luck....I can't read this stuff anymore...it breaks my heart.

Take care and be well


Entered at Wed Mar 12 05:17:00 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Alex

Subject: Bobb

Bob W.: since you are asking for clarifications, here are a few.

A) I am a Bandolero.

I am certainly not a Robertsonian. The humor I referred to as being offered by a Robertsonian was the humor offered by Pat. Had you been around for the feud, or scrolled back to the origins of this, you might of understood that.

B)I am PutUpYerDukes,a monikker I did not formally retire. It probably was pretty obvious that I was he, and I did drop a huge clue recently. As a Bandolero, I made my position on "The Feud" very clear.

C) Following and in accordance with my position on "The Feud", Pat Brennan and I have never agreed on anything except that "the evil Robertson" is a humorous term. I have, as have a few others, made numerous attempts at good spirited humor in this guestbook, and apparently, Pat decided to join in. I forgot who said or wrote it, but someone said that humor is the highest form of communication.

D)I do not care for champagne, nor do I snort coke. Tried it once in 79, did not like it.

E) I do not know who was in the hot tub with you and Pat. I was standing in for Bob Dylan, and being tended to by the Victoria's Secret girls harem .The commercial is now almost ready to be shot, and I am enjoying the preproduction phase immensely.

F) 3 men can share a hot tub, coke and champagne, without tickling each others ivories or signing anyone's guestbook. What kind of men do you hang out with?

Al Edge: Once again, I find myself enjoying your use of the English language. Thanks for the laughs!


Entered at Wed Mar 12 04:29:40 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.162.86)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Weight

Watched a re-run of "Everwood" Sunday night on the WB.......as the show closed with a female vocal of "The Weight." Does anyone know who it might be? I thought maybe Cassandra Wilson?


Entered at Wed Mar 12 04:23:45 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Here at Home

Pat, I would appreciate offering a clarification for the grammatically impaired among us. Your punctuation may lead some to believe that all of three of us were in the hot tub.

I assure you all, despite what surely must have been quite the lovefest, I am here at home at what I deem a safe distance from any hot tubbing, coke snorting, mutually admiring Robertsonians.

Boy Alex, you work fast. Typically a poster will have to unabashedly agree with Pat for months on a variety of topics before he allows such intimacy. If you're lucky he'll tickle your ivories for you.

Be sure to sign HIS Guestbook.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 03:57:17 CET 2003 from dialup-166.90.87.73.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.87.73)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: To Everyone

Bob, Alex, and I just got out of the hot-tub where we shared a bottle of Dom and some primo blow I scored from Dubya back in the fabulous 80's. Back when Saddam was our friend, Saabs were swinging, and the USSR was the evil empire. Man, I long for those days, but this helps.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 03:50:47 CET 2003 from 149.42.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.42.149)

Posted by:

Ray again

Subject: Charlie Daniels

This is from Charlie Daniels's website. I don't agree with him but I admire his willingness to add to the dialogue in spite of the fact that he's a "celebrity" My guess is that some folks who don't like "celebrities" speaking out on public issues will make an exception for Charlie Daniels.

An Open Letter To The Hollywood Bunch

Ok let’s just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. didn’t go into Iraq.

Let’s say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what we’ve done for world peace.

Let’s say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires.

Let’s say that we close down our military bases all over the world and bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade sanctions against everybody.

I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world where everybody would live in peace. After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of all the world’s trouble would have disbanded it’s horrible military and certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit.

After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.

Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps.

get your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning.

Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn’t have the nerve or the guts to fight him?

Barbra Streisand’s fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.

You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the real world. You’d be surprised at the hostility you would find out here.

Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck driver that you don’t think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.

Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the United States has no right to defend itself.

Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks down there think about you.

You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm I’ve ever had the displeasure to hear about. Sean Penn, you’re a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, ”fact finding trip“ to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn’t have the stomach for war. You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won’t lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby. Freedom of choice you say?

Well I’m going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. If I see any of your names on a marquee, I’m going to boycott the movie. I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it certainly wouldn’t be much of a loss.

You scoff at our military who’s boots you’re not even worthy to shine. They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in luxury. The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism.

America is in imminent danger. You’re either for her or against her. There is no middle ground. I think we all know where you stand. What do you think?

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels


Entered at Wed Mar 12 03:42:28 CET 2003 from 213-48-240-64.liv.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk (213.48.240.64)

Posted by:

Evil Al Edge

Subject: The veil of live evil in liveRPOOL

I'm with you Alex lad - anyone who can wax lyrical like your good unevil self has my full support mate

Evil Anvil Al in the home for bewildered tallywackers

:-o)


Entered at Wed Mar 12 02:41:43 CET 2003 from 149.42.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.42.149)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: My Neil Young post

butch, thank you for your opinion, but if you're trying to discourage me from expressing mine here, it won't work. If you think I'm out of touch with what you call the real world, I can live with that.

Bayou Sam: my post didn't suggest that "real people" should be influenced one way or another by "celebrity opinions." I was following up on Ben Pike's post. But since we're on the subject of whether or not celebrities should speak out, their views are no more important than anyone else's, and no less important either.

I think it's a good thing that pro-war celebrities like Charlie Daniels and Dennis Miller are speaking out, and it's also good that anti-war voices are being heard. I call it good citizenship and democracy's dialogue.



Entered at Wed Mar 12 02:27:19 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Alex,

Subject: election ceded

Al "Wacker" Edge, help! Ed Voci! Help! Does anybody out there have a sense of humor anymore? And can anyone remember back 2 weeks ago?

Pat, Bob has just ceded that he does not object to your use of the term "the evil Robertson". So , we can now call off the vote, as the purpose of the vote is no longer necessary. If you want to use it, that is. In my brain I hear musical accompaniement to indicate the "heavy" has arrived, each time "the evil Robertson" is typed. Of course, the serious attitude that people are taking, and the turnabout twists that people here like to put on things are taking the fun out of this.

Bayou Sam, when you talk about the spirit of the site, and the Band it is about, try to remember what guestbook you are dealing with, and what Band you are dealing with. And if anyone remmbered the last great feud coverage here, and Pat's position, and how he began using the term, they might get the joke.The spirit of the joke here, is one of humor and comaraderie of sorts after a well fought battle or boxing match, kind of like Apollo Creed and Rocky becoming compatriots. It is not meant as derogatory, and it is being written by a Robertsonian.

A printing company has already returned my inquiry in their interest in making Band comics. Have to talk to Garth about scoring it. With an accompanying cd, this could be a lot of fun!


Entered at Wed Mar 12 02:15:51 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

The fact that a person might alter their feelings or beliefs simply because of what their favorite actor or musician says - scares the shit out of me.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 01:47:40 CET 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

Posted by:

John W.

I hope the term "evil" was used tongue in cheek, and certainly should not be used to refer to RR unless it is in a humorous way. In fact, I regret I called him a "relic" the other day. I wish I had said the view he expressed on a certain issue was outdated and a relic, but the way it came out I called the man himself a relic, I have to apologize. We may not love everything the man has said or done but he does deserve respect for his career, pre- and post- Last Waltz.


Entered at Wed Mar 12 01:33:57 CET 2003 from as9-d87-sc-psci.psci.net (63.65.187.87)

Posted by:

KLJ

My opinion of celebrities is pretty much the same as Butch's. It's funny, I never saw the guys in THE BAND as celebrities...well....maybe Robbie thinks he's one....but the other guys always seemed down to earth. Of course, I never knew any of them personally.

But I hate it when celebs try to use their fame to bend the public's ear towards their views, even if I sometimes agree with those views. It's just....very annoying.

I remember one time around Thanksgiving a few years ago, Quaqeem (sp?) Phoenex had a commercial on the TV trying to get everybody to go vegetarian for the holidays. It was very stupid.

Well, I'm stepping down from the soapbox now to give another a turn


Entered at Wed Mar 12 00:48:09 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Happy

Regardless of what Pat said I really don't mind the use of the term in question. I'm just thrilled for Pat and his new friend. When do the belly laughs start?


Entered at Tue Mar 11 23:38:42 CET 2003 from 1cust6.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.6)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Nickname

"Robber Robertson" is gentler, more apt, and conveys a sense of humor in regard to Levon's continuing grudge.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 23:41:31 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

My feeling is that coming in here and calling ANY of the Band members "evil", seriously, is not in keeping with the spirit of The Band, and this site.

Of course, I think the "evil" thing was probably used tounge-in-cheek and people are having a good laugh over the mileage it's getting.

There are an unfortunate number of truly evil people in the world these days - but Robbie Robertson is not one of them IMHO.

The reality is that "Evil" is a great Howlin'Wolf song.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 22:26:41 CET 2003 from ppp33.a1-2.56k.execulink.com (209.239.1.161)

Posted by:

Paulg

Location: Canada
Web: My link

Subject: Politicians

My first, last & only comment regarding politicians!

Politicians are like diapers. They both should be changed often. And for the same reason.

Tom Blair in the San Diego Union-Tribune


Entered at Tue Mar 11 21:53:12 CET 2003 from (136.160.131.106)

Posted by:

Jamie, from Yesterday's News

Location: Baltimore

Subject: us & Robertson

To Harp She-Devil...Yesterday's News consists of four 19-21 year olds in Baltimore. We all went to high school together, though didn't come together as a band until 2001. I am the guitarist and songwriter, Mike plays drums & sings lead, Eddie is on keys/piano, and Dave plays bass and provides the ear. Everyone contributes to backing vocals. As the folks this past weekend heard, we're about to go into the studio to record our first CD. Like our name suggests, we sound more like the bands our parents listened than the ones today. We believe that is a good thing. We can't wait to send our tunes around to the GB'ers so you guys can get a listen.

As for the "Evil-Robertson" vote, I'll put in a vote against the terms usage. I know it's just a tounge-in-cheek thing (in most cases anyway). I just feel that every member of The Band is responsible for their success, and to call any of them the "Evil" doesn't sit well in my stomach. Or maybe thats the sorry-excuse-for-a-cheese steak sub that I ate for lunch.

I guess I'm just sympathetic being a lead guitarist and main songwriter named Jamie. Sometimes I wonder if I am to Robbie what George Kaplan was to Roger O. Thornhill.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 21:23:47 CET 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: While the Guestbook sleeps...

I have to second Butch, and then...that's it. Time to leave the GB for a while, and music, and war, and work. I am off to a tropical island in the lower Caribean, and am leaving the laptop, cellphone, electric shaver, and appointment book behind. Yo ho ho and a bottle(s) of rum for two weeks! Bu-bye! And don't spend too much on duck tape while I'm gone.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 19:56:10 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: I Cast My Vote for Civility

Alex...I think name calling is inappropriate unless you know the person really well...I used to call Levon (in private conversation) "That Mule-headed Cracker", but I have given that up...I vote no to "The Evil Robertson" and instead suggest we use a favorite term of mine..."Mr Weasel"...this can be applied evenly to both parties without any reference to their character faults...which if I may remind everyone, they both have...

I also have another quote to throw out to people

Friendship

Every time a friend succeeds I die a little.

Gore Vidal

Take care and be well


Entered at Tue Mar 11 19:13:30 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

butch

Letting Neil Young's personal position on public events is as dumb as listening to commie sean penn,,, clueless martin sheen,or spoiled brat striesand,,,

these people have NO relevance to the real world,,, the excesses of their life & their insular existance only furthers their total ignorance,,,,

so yeah Neil said this & Bono said that,, who cares,, they can barely feed themselves, anymore,,,

G-d Bless America,,

G-d Bless our fighting men & women

&

G-d Bless the Government of these United States,,,,& our President,,,


Entered at Tue Mar 11 18:52:20 CET 2003 from (12.31.43.154)

Posted by:

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Entered at Tue Mar 11 18:22:32 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Alex

Jerry : Thanks for weighing in on "the evil Robertson" vote.

Pat: even though you coined the term, and have written of your affection for the term, we cannot count you as a "for evil" vote till you raise your hand.

So far, we have one for "the evil Robertson", none against.

Joe, Harp She-Devil, Jon Lyness, David Powell,Dave Z, Yesterday's News people, Fallen Angel, all you people who have posted lately, this is your opportunity to exercise the right of free speech and good belly laughing humor right here in the guest book.

Furthermore, if any of you had the opportunity to see the Honeymooners comics that was put out in the 90s, I suggest a similar project might have some merit. One of the old crew from the Woodstock days, used to turn up at all the Band or related shows all over the tristate area, something Kaplan was his name, licensed the right to the Honeymooners name for it. Anyway, somewhere I still have the comics he gave me.

I have to get this right in my head, but the term "evil Robertson" definitely suggests a Band comic strip to me.

Ed Voci, where are you when duty calls? We can sell the comics at the TNTDODD opera performances. I imagine that you will want in on this comic book concept.

Garth can make a piano recording to accompany the comic, ok , here we go, next level, TV Band cartoons. Sneaky Pete can do the animation, Pat Brennan, you do have a production company do you not?

Don't forget to vote!!!


Entered at Tue Mar 11 18:10:07 CET 2003 from 124.40.cm.sunflower.com (24.124.40.124)

Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Neil Young

following up on Ben Pike's post, I was surprised to hear Neil Y. speak antiwar, given his song "Let's Roll" and his support for Reagan in the 80s...but it's true. Here's something from the New Musical Express website.

He (Mick Jones of the Clash) was not alone in taking a stance. While there has been a growing attempt in the US to prevent those opposed to the war making their feelings known - as evidenced clearly at the Grammys when all dissenting voices were silenced - the hoary old rockers were not to be stopped. In a dig at George Bush and oil interests in The Gulf, Neil Young - on hand to present a lifetime achievement award to longtime Warner Brothers executive Mo Ostin, said: "I feel like I'm in a giant, gas-guzzling SUV and the driver is drunk on power."


Entered at Tue Mar 11 18:07:41 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Brian Blade

Peter Viney mentioned drummer Brian Blade. Among the many artists Mr. Blade has worked with are: Emmylou Harris, Joni Mitchell and Daniel Lanois. In an interview he once cited Elvin Jones, Tony Williams, Jeff Porcaro, Levon Helm, Roy Haynes, Paul Motian, Sam Woodyard, Keith Moon and Max Roach as influences. As one might judge from the eclectic list, Mr. Blade is one of the most exciting drummers to come along in recent years, and one who is not afraid to branch out into different styles of music.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 18:03:18 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Neil Young publicly blasts the war while the guestbook sleeps...Maybe Robbie could become the fourth wing of "The Evil Empire"....Loudon Wainwright moves uses his kid to move a step closer to clear Band linkage...Basmanlee weighs how many dead Iraq kids balance out his distaste for oral sex lies....John Ashcroft claims musak verion of "Right As Rain" "best thing the Band ever did"....


Entered at Tue Mar 11 17:46:42 CET 2003 from 209-166-233-21.cust.walrus.com (209.166.233.21)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Re: Garth news

Thanks, Alex...Recordings of the Toronto shows would be wonderful! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed (which doesn't make it easy to type!) that a new Garth album will indeed happen.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 17:46:40 CET 2003 from h-68-165-190-212.chcgilgm.covad.net (68.165.190.212)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

There is also the use of The Weight in the Coke ad. Although it was not Dylan's music, since he does control the publishing on it, I wonder if he was consulted.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 17:31:48 CET 2003 from host2.pgfm.com (12.13.177.66)

Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Dylan song used in ad

The first time Dylan allowed one of his songs to be used in a commercial was in 1994. The ad was for the accounting firm of Coopers & Lybrand. A version of the song recorded by Richie Havens was used, not the original sung by Dylan, and Dylan's name was not used in connection with the commercial.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 16:11:01 CET 2003 from 1cust203.tnt2.springfield2.ma.da.uu.net (65.234.254.203)

Posted by:

LJ

Web: My link

Nice site.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 16:03:21 CET 2003 from h-69-3-223-69.chcgilgm.covad.net (69.3.223.69)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Dylan's music has appeared in ads before, notably "The Times They Are A'changin" for, ironically enough, a bank. One of Dylan biographers wrote that after discovering how much money his managers made off of his work, Bob made a conscious decision to cash in himself.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 14:07:13 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: ~Quote of the Day~

Truth

Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad.

Aldous Huxley

Take care and be well


Entered at Tue Mar 11 10:16:27 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Levon Helm / Rufus Wainright

I filled in for Butch this past Sunday (March 9th)and went with Levon into Bearsville Studio A to record 3 songs with Rufus Wainright. The music was something we're not use to hearing Levon play but was very interesting. It showed his ability to give music a sophisticated touch. A tap of the cymbal here and a tap of the cymbal there with some heavy drum playing in between. One of the tracks, "Dinner At 8", will have a 70 - 80 piece orchestra added to it. This project will consist of approximately 30 tracks with a projected completion date of May - June 2003.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 09:01:58 CET 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Just rolled in this moment... will post something tomorrow on the Hudson show... and my R&R HOF visit on the return... btw glad to hear everybody else made it home safe and sound... yes, sound... very good indeed...


Entered at Tue Mar 11 08:21:11 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Harp she-devil

Subject: new music jones

Hi people! Surfed in on a big wave earlier today. Even got water in my nostrils. Yeccch! Love the Band, so it is worth it. Came back several times..... The Band.... Loved Richard and Rick especially. Miss them bigtime. Saw the post about Dar Williams "Whispering Pines" cover version. I am not a big fan of hers, is the cover worth buying the cd for? And how about the Burrito Deluxe thing with Garth and Sneaky Pete? Is the cd good enough to buy? I have a hard time imagining the remakes of those classics outweighing the originals? How about that "School For Fools" Larry Thurston thing with Levon drumming on the blues cd with Johnnie Johnson? All originals, are the songs good? I have a music jones I have to fill, am in a Band mood so I figured to try to keep my fix Band related! All assistance will be appreciated! Great coverage on Garth's show in Woodstock. Hey you guys from Yesterday's News, can ya tell us about your band? What kind of stuff do you play and write? Let me say, this is one action packed site. Great way to spend a few hours, a lotof info to take in, good thing i took my memory pills this morning.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 07:34:34 CET 2003 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Posted by:

jerry

Location: St.Paul

To all who posted about Garth and Maud..great job, makes me want to make that trip...

Put me down for "The Evil Robertson" even if it sounds like one of Roger Cormans B movie titles...

Great info on the next of kin photo, the Dankos must of had a family reunion afterwards huh!!


Entered at Tue Mar 11 07:19:04 CET 2003 from 1cust190.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.190)

Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Lingerie

Gee, Bob has come a long way since the old protest tune days, hasn't he?


Entered at Tue Mar 11 06:43:30 CET 2003 from tu4.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.165)

Posted by:

Fred

just as long as Bob ISN'T the one wearing the lingerie!!


Entered at Tue Mar 11 06:28:37 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Alex

Subject: Dylan Lingerie Commercial

Bayou Sam, the only dissappointment i have with the concept of the commercial is that Bob was not in the commercial. Now that would be something. I can see the ad writers scrambling for that one!

Remember GBers , you heard it here first. Here is my concept: Bob Dylan in a Victoria's Secret commercial, background music "Tangled Up In Blue", Bob and some lucky young sexpot tangled up in blue lingerie.

Snow storm raging, Bob shivering, barely making to a cabin door. Knocks, as the door opens we hear "Shelter From The Storm", the line "Come in, she said, I'll give you , shelter from the storm" singing, ad Heidi Klum or some other comely young lass ushers in Bob and smothers him with her body, to keep him (ahem) warm.

"YOu Got to Serve Somebody", again , the obvious, Bob as a ruler, sheik, king, whatever, and his concubines, serving him grapes, wine, some fanning him with palm leaves, again, in various stages of lingerie dress. my brain is a little too shot to be more inventive about now, but i am sure that the Dylan songbook has a lot to offer up for fodder in this category. By the way, PutUpYerDukes.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 05:15:10 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I saw a TV commercial today for Victorias Secret, and the music used was Dylan's "Love Sick" from "Time Out of Mind".

Judas?


Entered at Tue Mar 11 02:39:02 CET 2003 from tnt-77-68.ct.dialin.ntplx.com (209.54.77.68)

Posted by:

Tracy

Subject: ISPs and Proxy numbers

I'm wondering if somebody can explain the proxies at the top of our name. I noticed that a few have the same. Funny thing is, mine never changed from the "ntplx" number I had even when I was going under the name of "kramedogsdish." Like I noticed, Fallen Angel/Bob Wigo/Daniel all have the same codes as "cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com 205.188.208.137." Does this only change for those who use AOL, or is there more to it?

Tracy


Entered at Tue Mar 11 01:13:24 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Alex

Subject: Jon Lyoness's wish: Garth piano recordings

On Saturday night Garth did mention that he would be recording the upcoming shows in Toronto. Perfectionist and jokester that he is, he remarked that out of 5 nights they should be able to get 2 or 3 songs out of it. So, hopefully for all the Band fans worldwide, and hopefully for Garth, perchance a record may come out of the gig. This is music from and for eternity.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 00:53:39 CET 2003 from cache-dg05.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.137)

Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Thank You Minotka!

Yeeeessssss.....you are a prince among men, Minotka...now all I have to do is find a copy of the dang thing!

Take care and be well


Entered at Tue Mar 11 00:53:27 CET 2003 from 209-166-233-21.cust.walrus.com (209.166.233.21)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Garth!

Thanks to all for the recent Garth (& Maud) reviews! Sounds like a wonderful, memorable show last Saturday night. I would love, love, love to hear Garth do a whole piano album someday.


Entered at Tue Mar 11 00:03:53 CET 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Posted by:

Alex

Subject: Does Bob really understand?

Pat, I am not sure that Bob was witness to the last really inspired version of the feud. It was only afterwards that you coined the term "the evil Robertson". I am laughing hysterically right now. Anyway, if Bob read what was being written over almost a weeks time, maybe half a week, I would imagine he'd of seen the humor in it. So , Bob, relax brother, let's have a few laughs. Robbie probably enjoys the attention anyway, "evil" or not.

Can we have a show of hands?

How about a guestbook vote. Please, everybody, weigh in. let's begin the tally right now, end it on Friday, midnight, Central Standard Time, in Pat's honor.

GBers, please write in, if you would like Pat to continue to refer to Robbie as "the evil Robertson", or if you would prefer that he not address Robbie that way.


Entered at Mon Mar 10 23:15:53 CET 2003 from host-48-198-220-24.midco.net (24.220.198.48)

Posted by:

Minotka

Location: The Prairie

Subject: Fallen Angel's Aaarrrggghhhh

Hey Fallen Angel, I just ran across your anguished post about your missing Arlo G. album. Your looking for "Arlo Guthrie - One Night". It's a live album he did with a band called Shenandoah and, yes, on side two is "The Story of Reuben Clamzo and His Strange Daughter in the Key of A". Only Arlo could come up with a title/song like that. Good luck in your hunt.


Entered at Mon Mar 10 22:50:04 CET 2003 from (66.43.82.136)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Next of Kin" Photo

It would be nice if Jan could post the "next of kin" photo in the archives area of this site along with the identification list. That is historic information and should be preserved. To many of the people who visit this site, the identities of those people are just as interesting--or moreso--than the names of the famous folks on the cover of "Sgt. Pepper."


Entered at Mon Mar 10 22:42:50 CET 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Thanks for the "next of kin" info Pauley. Once it's all confirmed who everyone is Jan ought to find a place for it on the site.

I heard that they're going to add Neil Diamond to the picture on future releases of the CD - anyone else heard that?


Entered at Mon Mar 10 22:39:11 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.162.86)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Next of Kin

I'm reminded......looking at the famous "Next of Kin" photo; how very, very different a shot like that was for the times. In those Rock and Roll times to include "family" was so very different. I believe that photo sends quite a message to where the boys heads were at........at the time and Bravo to Elliott Landy for the photograph


Entered at Mon Mar 10 22:21:45 CET 2003 from dialin-144-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.144)

Posted by:

Gene

Subject: Next Of Kin - Infos I Can Use

Thanks for all the infos on Next Of Kin! I've been wondering for over 30 years!


Entered at Mon Mar 10 22:11:41 CET 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.162.86)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Next of Kin

Tracy is right. Maud didn't come into Garth's life until post The Last Waltz. I guess that means they met after the original 5 disbanded. Maud will correct me if I'm off time a little.


Entered at Mon Mar 10 22:02:34 CET 2003 from hse-toronto-ppp3483509.sympatico.ca (65.92.92.156)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Next of Kin Photo/ Tracy

Thank you hence the question marks


Entered at Mon Mar 10 22:02:18 CET 2003 from du-tele3-252.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.252)

Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: CDR-Audio

Thanks for this Todd. I've had worse than Sony myself- EMTEC is bad, I haven't got many MASTER to work at all. I'm told that while reading can cut through dust specks, writing is more problematic and I now 'dustblow' the drive with a camera compressed air brush first and am very careful about the CDR.


Entered at Mon Mar 10 21:54:31 CET 2003 from gpf-t199.gpnet.dnd.ca (131.137.245.199)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: Attribution

...but surely not Rose Marie from "Acapulco" ?


Entered at Mon Mar 10 21:22:32 CET 2003 from tnt-77-25.ct.dialin.ntplx.com (209.54.77.25)

Posted by:

Tracy

The Next Of Kin picture has at least two people mislabeled. I don't think Garth's wife, Maud was around then in '68. The woman who is standing next to Garth is Robbie's mother, Rosemarie. The other woman standing between Robbie and Rick is Robbie's wife, Dominique.

Tracy


Entered at Mon Mar 10 20:56:19 CET 2003 from libstfstx03.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.34.238)

Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois
Web: My link

Subject: Radio show on now

Hey, Norbert, I heard you name-checked on the UIC radio show. You made fine choices. I can only listen now and then because I have to earn my crust, but I caught that bit.

There's a radio show from the University of Illinois at Chicago, link above, that is featuring Richard Manuel, among others, today until 4pm CST. You can email the DJ to play your choice of song. Norbert chose Katie's Been Gone and King Harvest. I asked for Rockin' Chair and Hobo Jungle - don't know if they've been played yet. It's about 2pm now, so some people might be able to still catch part of the show.

In case I messed up the link it's http://uicradio.ws/listen.html


Entered at Mon Mar 10 20:49:39 CET 2003 from h-69-3-217-254.chcgilgm.covad.net (69.3.217.254)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Cousin Paul, thanks for the inside info. Isn't RR's wife in there?

Alex, I am glad you enjoyed my modest attempt at humor, but Bob Wigo won't let me use "the evil Robertson" anymore. I'm sorry, but please know that I will think it every time I write his name.


Entered at Mon Mar 10 18:42:03 CET 2003 from 209-166-233-21.cust.walrus.com (209.166.233.21)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: to John Donabie

Hi there John...Once the signup closes you will be part of the tree (see the FAQs on that site for more info) and will trade discs with someone to get your show (you'll find out who once the signup closes and the tree structure is posted). You'll have to be prepared to wait awhile, especially with such a large set being traded/burned, but hopefully it will be worth it in the end (sounds like some great material!!). Hope this helps.


Entered at Mon Mar 10 18:22:29 CET 2003 from (213.225.127.190)

Posted by:

Ingve Aalbu

Location: Stavanger, Norway
Web: My link

Those of you that understand NORWEGIAN, will find a little something about "The last waltz" here:

http://www.pstereo.no/Webdesk/netblast/pages/side.html?id=77045

And here's a review of Eric Andersen's new album:

http://www.pstereo.no/Webdesk/netblast/pages/side.html?id=81290

Everything is in norwegian, so don't say I didn't warn you :)


Entered at Mon Mar 10 17:56:38 CET 2003 from hse-toronto-ppp3483509.sympatico.ca (65.92.92.156)

Posted by:

Cousin Paul

Location: Niagara Falls Canada

Subject: Next of Kin Photo

Seeing the questions about the next of kin photo, I will do my best to give you the names of the people in the photo. In the front row; Ricks niece Sue,Ricks niece Lori, Ricks cousin Shari, Ricks cousin Annette,Ricks cousin Paul, Ricks nephew Maurice(Maury). The next row will zigzag a bit, but here we go. Maude? and Garth, Garths parents,Levon, beside him I don't recall this couple,Richards folks, Richard, Robbie, Grace? and Rick Danko,Ricks Grandma Smith(in front),Freddie McNulty,Ricks Uncle Charlie and behind him Ricks brother Terry. In the back, John Simon,behind John is Ricks sister in law Joice, Ricks mother Leola, Ricks brother Maurice(Junior),Ricks uncle Rick,Ricks cousin John,Ricks Uncle John and Aunt Jean, Ricks cousin Debbie, and finally Ricks father Maurice, behind Rick(with finger in his ear). Levons folks are in the top left photo. I hope I did O.K. (My residual for letting the Band use my picture was the mushrooms in front of me so that is why my recollection of some of people are a little bit FUZZY!!!!) Peace and Love Paul.


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Posted by:

Mark

Location: Maine

Subject: David Crosby

After reading the Guestbook and this site for several months, I am attempting my first post. I would like to start by echoing the thanks many have given to Jan and all the other contributors to this site. I could not have appreciated The Band nearly so well without the information, stories, pictures, etc. found only here. This site is a great resource to any fan of The Band. /n I did not think I would ever have anything to add here that would interest many people, but I did attend a concert this weekend of a Band contemporary, David Crosby. He played at the Sugarloaf/USA ski resort this weekend and my wife and I made a weekend of skiing and music. The concert should have been correctly listed as Crosby's new band CPR, but as even he said, the name David Crosby will sell more tickets than the name CPR. The name CPR comes from Crosby, guitarist Jeff Pevar and Crosby's son James Raymond. You may have seem the bit on VH1 about how Crosby meet his biological son for the first time in 1994 and then invited the aspiring musician to join his new band. They have been working together ever since. /n Unfortunately, I do not know enough about Crosby to give an in depth review of the show. He played nothing I recognized early in the show (CPR music, solo stuff and music from his work with Graham Nash) but later played a few more well known songs for the more casual fan. But even though I was not familiar with the music in the first part of the show, the performance was fantastic. The band worked very well with Crosby and his voice was as good as ever. I wondered if health problems would leave him sounding far different than what I knew of his music, but he sounded great, esp. in a ski lodge that could not hide any flaws. He looked healthy and seemed to enjoy being on stage even if was in the coldest part of Maine in March. It was great to see someone of his stature in a small setting and I would highly recommend seeing this band if the chance comes up. /n Again, thanks to all who make this site great. If anybody has any questions about the show, I will do my best to answer them. I hope to be at the Muddy Waters birthday celebration in Claremont NH and look forward to meeting any Band fans who may make the trip.


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Web: My link

Subject: CDR Link Again

I don't think the previous link worked. Try this one. Sorry.


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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson

Location: Connecticut
Web: My link

Subject: Peter Viney/CDR's

Peter, I stumbled across this review of CDR quality and thought of your post from last week re: problems with CDR's. I've been using the SONY's for years to back up my digital photographs, but after reading this review I am tempted to try the Yamaha CDR's. I recall that you problem was specific to audio CDR, but perhaps this review will be of some use.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Time To Lighten Up Before Someone Spurts!

CHILD-PROOF BOTTLE TOPS

Allen Ginsberg said he saw the best minds of his generation destroyed by madness. I have seen the best minds of my generatioon go at a bottle of Anacin with a ball-peen hammer.

P.J. O'Rourke

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Richard, I will grant that even someone as flawed as Christgau can have moments of acuity. Or, perhaps, he has properly matured. Still his "coolness" toward the Palladium show is inexplicable.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: TBear

I'm feeling real dumb today. I registered for "After The Waltz"; but I don't see anything or anywhere I can go after signing up. Are the tracks on the site? Thank you.


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Posted by:

Alex, the real one who posted about Garth's show and also answered truth be told

The person who posted as Alex, and started with "I know Robbie" is not me, but obviously some mental moron who cannot figure out the right way to post a name and subject. If you read back, he also did the same thing earlier in the thread when he posted as "Truth be told".

So, whoever you are, mental midget that you are, learn how to play with the grown ups. Go take a pill. Take a shot, slam the door on your head a few times, whatever might bring you around.


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Posted by:

TBear

Location: Woodstock, NY
Web: My link

Subject: Incredible BAND 6 CD Tree "After The Waltz"

Hey All - Just passin' through... there's an incredible 6 CD tree. "After The Waltz" available on the Neil Young cd tree site. This compilation concentrates on the period 1982-1996, during which members of The Band performed solo, in various combinations, and again as The Band. Duplication within the set has been kept to a minimum. Many songs rarely performed are included as well as some very interesting versions of the great standards. This is a totally "free" bootleg set, not for sale... Click the link to read on! You have to register to view and it's free. Share the music... Peace, TBear


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Posted by:

Eddie Lehwald

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Saturday Night

Saturday night was a glimpse of perfection and a taste of what music should be, from a man who has made it his life.

Much thanks to the kindness of everyone at the Colony Cafe-Richard Wall, Dave Z, and the Hudsons especially-for taking such an interest in us and our music. Please send an email to elehwald@su.edu so we can keep in touch.


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Posted by:

Alex

I know Robbie would have risen to the top with or without anyone's help. I was just asking a question about Garth and Robbie Robertson. I would really like to know why Robertson's interaction with his fellow brothers ended basically forever after the early to late 80's. I cast no aspersions either way but I hope an insider may provide a glimpse. That is all and don't take it personal. Thanks


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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Link Wray

THE place to be last night in NYC was the Village Underground where a 74 year young Link Wray created something akin to spontaneous combustion before a packed house. I arrived at the box office at around 7pm and got the very last ticket for the show!! (I have to stop doing this or I'll start believing in Guardian Angels.)

Talk about burning down barns - this guy could burn down a solid brick building! Relentless high speed rock for over an hour and a half with Garry Tallent sitting in on bass for most of the show. Link's got Kurt's drummer in tow and wife Julie played an awfully mean tambourine. Several other guests joined on vocals and harp and Link played "Mystery Train" for Jim Jarmusch who was in the house.

Terrific show and it was great to see Link once again!

[Check Link link above.]


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: Pat B./Langford

PAT: I am familiar with your disrespect for critics in general, but surely a critic who named Jon Langford his artist of the year for 2002 (citing as evidence albums THAT YOU PLAY ON) isn't a complete sh*t-for-brains;-).

"Heading my fuck-what-you-say Dean's List, the longest ever, are … Orchestra Baobab… DJ Shadow… and the mad, bitter, guarded, indomitable truth-telling of the Mekons. I'm proud they all finished, never mind where. Jon Langford, who's managed to put out four albums since last March including one against the death penalty, is my artist of the year, and I intend to follow his example…”


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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: ?

Hey folks, been working overtime and busy as hell.
Haven't had the chance to read all your posts.
So what have you been talking about?

Pray for peace

I miss the band

And Roslyn ...



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Posted by:

Alex

Subject: Truth Be Told

Truth Be Told: Looks like you are trying to get the feud started all over again here.. There are plenty of people in the GB who like, admire, and support the evil Robertson,to quote Pat Brennan, one of his supporters ont he songwriting issue. Since Pat adopted a sense of humor about the feud, I appreciate him a lot more (I know how much better that makes you feel Pat) I get a big kick out of knowing that Pat has his tongue planted firml;y in his cheek each time he types " the Evil Robertson". As far as Robbie not being anything without Garth, my feeling is Robbie would of found a way to get to the top with or without the rest of the guys. It is his way, and he is talented. He is one hellluva guitar player, and he is a determined man, with a head for businesss, and everything that goes with that. I am not getting into my position on the Feud, or songwriting issues, what happened , who did what when and why, to whom, with whom, how frequently, etc. Just telling you I ain't biting your hook brother. Or sister.


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Posted by:

Alex

Al Edge, have to tell you I really enjoy calling you Wacker.

What more can I say? Garth was dressed in a black shirt, and black Levis, I believe. Or were the Levis blue denim? Blue denim, yes . I will stake the reputation of my failing memory on that. Although Garth is a medium sized but big boned square shouldered man, he is almost rail thin. Almost as thin as Levon. However, there is a surety in his stance and walk that speaks of a solidity. His speaking voice is deep, and I imagine could be booming. He is just a regular joe of a genius, friendly and regular as all get out. And Maud is madly enraptured of him, and a delightful presence. She was clearly thrilled to be in front of her audience, and singing with her husband. On the "chestnuts" as I referred to the more obscure almost ancient numbers, and on "Youngblood", and anything bluessy, Maud taps in to a very primitive power that she has, and she really does something special with these songs. She can be a big, bad, bawdy blues mama, or can deliver a more sensitive wisp of a vocal, maybe a haunting eerie style, in both cases stillretaining a firmness to her delivery. Maud strikes me as from good solid stock, yet very down to earth and friendly. Solid, but kind and caring, not solid and made of stone.

Garth was wearing a black hat, round broadbrim, flat top, western style. Made a joke about being with Wild Bill Hickock, or in a wild Bill Hickock show the day before. Made a lot of jokes .

The show was very loose, very informal,and perfectly suited to Woodstock. I imagine it would go over very well in Canada as well. Actually Band fans everywhere would feel fortunate to see this show. It really is a treat.


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

"...sounds that are not availible to many people are availible to him".

Alex = that is one of the best descriptions of Garth I've ever read - and so true. Thanks for the great review.


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Posted by:

Truth be told

Thanks for the Garth update. I really hope he can get gigs all around. It's pretty clear that Robbie isn't the most popular person here. I would like to know why he hasn't done anything with Garth on anything since "Raging Bull" and some spot performances by Garth on Robertson's solo albums (minimal). Is there animosity? Garth doesn't seem like the type (from what i've read) to hold a grudge, It seems as though Robbie R. would appreciate the muscianship of someone like Garth Hudson and he is in a position to give up some nice movie work. Maybe Robbie offered and Garth refused. Garth is perfect for soundtrack work. Anyway it's hard to imagine a best friend being in a position to help and not offering or being in a position and saying no. Believe it, Robbie would have nothing without the genius of Garth!


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Alex

That was a rare treat invoking your obvious rapture Alex. Can you give us some more please? It can clearly nowhere near beat being there but it sure does help ease the feeling of deprivation. Or maybe it actually creates it since before reading it I had no idea what to expect? :-o)

Whatever - thanks muchly. Enjoyed it immensely. I'm sure it did it as much justice as words possibly can.

Bob Wigo - not sure why you're so upset mate but I do know you're a big hearted bugger who doesn't deserve to be - as indeed is Matt K. Mail each other this minute - that's an order :-o) - you'll sort it out - no problem.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Another Quote of the Day

AGREEMENT

The fellow that agrees with everything you say is either a fool or he is getting ready to skin you.

Kin Hubbard

Take care...be well...and don't spurt!


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Posted by:

Jamie Green

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Last night

As one of the six that made the trip to from Baltimore, I have realized a few things after seeing The Hudsons in Woodstock last night. I now understand what a life in music truely means. Garth and Maude took me to a place that I had only heard and read about. While I have seen favorite bands life before, the experience did nothing to bring me closer to the artist. As I pulled onto I-87 with my friends at 4:00 am, I not only felt close to Garth, Maude & The Band, I felt like I had been apart of the best music of the 20th century.

I realized that Garth Hudson more like me than he is like Mick Jagger or Paul McCartney. He is purely a musician, one with a tremendous connection throught rock music's history. No post-Grammy parties, no celebrity golf tournaments, no scandals. On the other side of things, I finally understand what the passings of Richard Manuel and Rick Danko mean. They are idols and influences, but they were his friends and musical team-mates. As The Hudson's performed "It Makes No Difference," I could not help but tear up as all I could think about was those two men.

Most importantly, I learned what The Band's family of music is. Everyone in the Colony Cafe last night had one thing in common. We all knew what it was, and admired it in eachother. I greatly appreciate everyone who to spoke with us, making us feel at home. (I will never forget the look on Maude's face, after telling her that I play guitar, write the songs for my band, and that my name is Jamie). I hope to get the chance to see some of you out another time. We all felt so comfortable at the show and afterwards. I am certain you will hear from us again. This wasn't a life-altering experience, it was a necessity.

To Richard, thank you for the nice entry. We got back to the Pocono's at 6:00, safe and sound. You can email me at great1JG@aol.com (that goes for anyone!)


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Posted by:

Mike

Location: Baltimore

Subject: The Hudsons and Woodstock

As I'm sure that everyone that came to Woodstock with me over the weekend will add their own part to the GB about our trip, I will make this short. I never in my life expected that I would have the great honor of spending a weekend in the town of Woodstock, NY. When my 5 friends and I made plans for our trip months ago, never in our wildest imaginations did we expect what happened to us. Not only did we get to visit the sights that we have thought about for years such as Big Pink, we witness one of the true legends of music, Garth Hudson at the historic Colony Cafe last night. Garth has an unbelieveable amount of talent and I have never felt so privliaged to have been in atendence last night for his very intimate show with his wife Maud. The show was incredible and to hear Garth play some of the songs that have influeneced my band and I was the icing on the cake. At this point we didn't think our weekend could have gotten any better, but we meet Richard Wall who introduced us to Garth and Maud. After hanging out in the Colony Cafe for an hour or so while they packed up thier equipment, Maud invited the 6 of us to join her, Garth and some other friends at a littler diner in Kingston. We all felt we had just died and gone to Rock and Roll heaven. We ended up staying there for almost 4 hours with the Hudsons and Richard all with other locals from Woodstock and Dave Z. from Minnesota who made the trip down as well. If it hadn't been for the two hour drive we had back to the Poconos we probably would have never wanted to leave. Garth is one of the nicest a most amazing people I have ever meet. Talking to him about music and whatever else came to mind was nothing short of my dream come true. Thank you so much Garth and Maud for your wonderful hospitality and your love of music. With out Garth and his music he played with the band, Yesterday's News would not have the drive and the insperation to play the music that we do with the love for it that we had. /n Also, if it weren't for Richard Wall and his imense kindness to us, we would have never gotten to meet our idle last night. Thank you Richard. Please send me an email at kdawg@comcast.net so that we can keep in touch!


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Posted by:

Richard Wall

Subject: Kerry/Alex

You're very welcome, Kerry. It was indeed a pleasure to meet all of you. Please post a website address if you have one so we can all keep up with Yesterday's News, and good luck in the recording studio. Can't wait to hear the music!

Excellent review, Alex. Thanks for sharing with those who couldn't make it last night. Those of us who did will cherish the great memories. And the pleasure was all mine.

And a BIG, BIG thanks to Garth and Maud...you are the BEST and a great inspiration to the world!


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Wayne Shorter + chatter

Just back from Wayne Shorter. 70 years young and he did over 100 minutes. His band is superb (piano, drums, double bass) and I advise anyone who can to go and see them. Very individual drummer (Brian Blade) who played with padded sticks and sudden hugely explosive spurts of action. When you’ve seen Shorter, you kind of know sax playing won’t get any better than that! (Well, Garth is as good!)

What a surprise – a stunningly good support act, Two Way Traffic, who it seems were specially sponsored by the venue. They were a mix of modern classical / jazz / early music. The line up – violin, cello, recorder, second cello doubling on trumpet, synth keyboards, bass guitar and drums. The music is impossible to describe. Laurence Cottle is one of the best bass players I’ve heard. They’ve all played with the likes of Courtney Pine, Paul McCartney, Bowie, Carla Bley, McLaughlin, McCoy Tyner. Suffice it to say they did just one 35 minute piece and brought the house down.

Wonderful reviews of Garth from Kerry & Alex – it sounds even better than my concert tonight.

Bob – I can’t remember what I said! This keeps happening. Do enlighten me! Anyway, pleased to hear I agreed with Matt K on Robbie. I often do. Anyway, Matt, tonight was a sax players dream.

Al- I think I told you this. I was once invited to watch a Bournemouth football game from one of the hospitality suites. The prawn cocktail was nice and went well with the chilled white wine. But it was totally silent up there, zero atmosphere, like watching a big telly with the sound off. And one lady guest was puzzled by the fact that the team in black had only three players (and one whistle). Then some idiot tried to explain the offside rule, adding that there were no scrums unfortunately. It's not the football experience.


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Posted by:

bob wigo

MattK, I was trying to weasel out of something? I still want to know what he said. Do you know what he said? Tell me what he said Matt. Tell me what he said based on BEG's post. You must know something more than that last effort shows. And don't waste any of your concern on my well being. What bothers at me is none of your business. You guys crack me up the way you buy into this woman's bullshit. Do you guys wear some sort of uniforms?

You can commence with the smart-assing now. Have fun.

"And then I showed Robbie a picture of a street corner in Cabbagetown and asked him if it was the corner depicted on Moondog Matineee and he said well, it sure looks like it" and yadda,yadda, fucking yadda." "And then Ronnie said he pays no attention to this site and I can understand why because this site has hurt many, many people." It's ALL BULLSHIT. You guys are being played for suckers and you buy in because it all falls on the right side of your respective fences.

Oh, and Matt you can stick your weasel comment square up your snooty ass. I don't walk away from anything I say here and I'll stand up any time to admit when I'm wrong.


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Posted by:

Kerry Schaffner

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Garth and Maud, Woodstock NY

Garth and Maud's show at the Colony Cafe last night was magical experience. I have never seen Garth (or any other member of The Band) play before. Garth's talent far surpasses anything I have ever heard. He is a genius. It was truly something I will cherish forever. I was blown away by his talent. I would like to thank Richard Wall for his kindness to me and Yesterday's News. We came to Woodstock not knowing what to expect out of the show. We knew the show would blow us away, that was a given, but to go to the Diner with Maud and Garth till 3am is something we would only dream of. You made this trip much more than we had ever expected. Although I'm delirious right now from lack of sleep (we didn’t get back to the place we were staying at till 6am), it doesn't matter. It was a great privilege and it’s something the 6 of us will never forget. So I again thank you and hope to keep in contact with you and see you at future shows.


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Posted by:

Kerry Schaffner

Location: Baltimore

Subject: Garth and Maud, Woodstock NY

Garth and Maud's show at the Colony Cafe last night was magical experience. I have never seen Garth (or any other member of The Band) play before. Garth's talent far surpasses anything I have ever heard. He is a genius. It was truly something I will cherish forever. I was blown away by his talent. I would like to thank Richard Wall for his kindness to me and Yesterday's News. We came to Woodstock not knowing what to expect out of the show. We knew the show would blow us away, that was a given, but to go to the Diner with Maud and Garth till 3am is something we would only dream of. You made this trip much more than we had ever expected. Although I'm delirious right now from lack of sleep (we didn’t get back to the place we were staying at till 6am), it doesn't matter. It was a great privilege and it’s something the 6 of us will never forget. So I again thank you and hope to keep in contact with you and see you at future shows.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

If Christgau didn't like the 76 Palladium show, it's because of his sh*t for brains. That is simply one of the great live rock shows of all time. But since Christgau buys into the Rolling Stones as World's Greatest Rock Band, it is perhaps easy to understand his inability to detect genius. However, it is true that the Band's last tour was plagued by cancellations, but not for the reasons he infers. Rick and Richard took a speedboat out on Lake Travis near Austin TX and hurt themselves mid-tour, perhaps the defining point for RR to seek the end of the road.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Alex, thanks for the detailed review.

Lately, I've been lucky enough to be listening a lot to the Hollywood Bowl boot. It's quite the songlist with Strawberry Wine, Time To Kill, Jemima Surrender, all kinds of amazing stuff. But the otherworldlyness of Garth's intro to Chest Fever is startling. I think a great album could be arranged with just a collection of Garth's CF solos. Wish I could drop in Upstate and catch one of his shows like you lucky stiffs.


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Bob Wigo, do you perceive that kind of unqualified adoration in any other postings on this site?


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Bob W

Bob:

I wasn't "glossing over," anything. I was just concerned that you were going to have an embolism over an innocuous comment.

If you feel such statements are worth are worth ranting about, that's your business. I assume this means you'll be beating your chest in outrage after each and every out-of-town concert you attend where you're told that Scranton. Erie, or Altoona "is the greatest town on Earth?"

I do like your attempt to weasel out of things with the last minute "i just want to know what he said" pleas. I'll point out that you didn't stumble upon this escape pod until the bitter end of your overheated rhapsody. Forgive me for giving more weight to your exposition than your coda - my last forms & analysis class was nearly 20 years ago, and I assumed you were being neo-classical, not neo-smarmy.

But then again, my intentions WERE pure. I was just trying to save you a trip to the ER. Silly me.


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Posted by:

Alex

Drove back to my old town last night, 3 hours to see Garth and Maud at the Colony. I arrived half an hour late, knowing from experience I was not in peril of missing the beginning. The Colony is a comfortable old space, roomy but not huge, with a second level that has tables positioned around the bannister overlooking the lower level. About 8o to 120 people came out to see Garth and Maud, maybe a dozen faces I remembered. Lots of room to breath, very comfortable, cozy too.

Fun hanging out, bsing and trading tales with some new friends, both veterans of and new to the area. Garth and Maud arrived at ten. I saw Garth’s back as he entered, Maud followed later, gave a big smile and a hearty “Thanks for hanging out, we’ll show you something”.

Garth and Maud took the stage around 10;45.. The first piece was a instrumental , all kinds of melody, Garth starting out on alto sax, switching to accordion, the whole time accompanied by percussion, either from Maud or taped. At that time my view of Maud’s hands was blocked, although I was purty close

. The next song was “The Shape I’m In”.

I have seen Richard perform solo , and Richard perform this song with Rick, piano and bass, many times, I am not new to the experience. And I have forever been completely attached to the Band in many ways. Few things move or touch me like Band music and performances by the Band or it’s members have been able to. I have seen Garth and Maud on one prior occasion, they did not perform Band material solo at that time. But they did have a powerful effect on me. Last night’s performance, was again, unfuckinbelievable. I am a person not given to having trouble finding superlatives or adjectives. For example, if I do not like you, I will tell you you are a rat bastard scumbag fuck. However,I can definitely write that I am going to have trouble describing the experience and the performance that Garth and Maud gave last night .

“ The Shape I’m In” Garth’s piano. Garth was playing a Yamaha baby grand, that he just got 4 days ago. Richard had a piano sound that was all his, strong, distinctive, chords seemingly all his own. An old sound, rhythmically superior to what most great musicians can put down, melodically achingly beautiful. Richard’s piano could encompass the whole song for you. So seeing and hearing Richard playing and singing the songs he sang were such definitive experiences that you would think that certain feelings and memories would kind of die with him, at least in regard to live performance. Well, anyone who saw the Band post Richard would tell you that the show could bring a lot back. And I am hear to tell you the same about last night.

I can’t fully describe what Garth does. But his piano style is ragtime, classical, cartoonish,chording, , all of the above. He moves from one to the other seamlessly and effortlessly. And all of a sudden there are moments, like when his softly bouncing chords suddenly suggested, recreated, the effect of Rick Danko’s unmistakable bass lines. At other times a flourish might evoke something. Sometimes it was a momentary whole effect, and I’m thinking to myself how can you do that with just a piano. No electronics, no augmentation. The man just hit a handful of keys and with a few notes, in a few seconds, produced the effect that a whole band produced on record.Brought to mind a change, a mood that it took a whole band to accomplish. Put it right there in front of you on a silver platter.

There is no way that any person who loves music, and has any kind of ear, and knows the Band even somewhat,, could hear this performance and not know that it had to be played by someone who was an original member and creator of these songs. The connection that Garth has to the music is bone marrow deep, ingrained, it is in his DNA. And there is no mistaking that. Maud’s vocal accmpaniement is quite something and is to be cherished. There is a closeness and originality there too, and a bond and tie that cannot be faked. And the love between Garth and Maud is right there, they are a team.

Next was a old chestnut, God love Garth and Maud for knowing these songs. “It;s a five dollar fine for whining, “ with Maud feeding Garth lines to sing... “If it ain’t on your mind to have a good time , you won’t come back to see us again”. Ragtime, cartoonish, ancient, early American, player piano, Man at the piano in a Western movie, blues, anglo, all kinds of stuff mixed in.

“Blind Willie McTell” with Maud speaking the lyrics, in a continuous delivery , leaving out spaces in the choruses. Garth’s piano haunting, sparse, melodic, full at times, powerfully sparse and bare at others. Again, reaching back to early American musical sounds that probably very few people on earth can recreate. Instrumentals of all sorts followed and were intersopersed. Bridges from songs, more bridges from songs, parts of songs, all kinds of vituoso piano stuff. Garth talking to the audience like we were in his living room., Instrumantal When A Woman Loves A MAn.

Maud sang “Weep For Me “ Another Old Chestnut. Then “When the Storms Of Life Are Raging, Stand By Me, In the midst of Tribulation , Stand By Me” went the next song. Garth’s early piano sound capturing gospel, cartoon music, and all kinds of things. Really a rare treat.

Then came “It Makes No Difference”. This was pure beauty and emotion, people. The room was quiet after. Next was a boogie woogie blues, rock and roll #, “My little willy better get back in school, been learning something besides the golden rule”

You want to hear Garth boogie.

“The Weight” came next.

Hwo can I describe this. Garth plays like you would expect Garth would play. You know the song he is starting, even though it is a little unconvwentional when he starts, but there is always a dead giveaway. But during the song he meanders, he explores. Sometimes , iof you are not musically inclines, or have a keen sense of time, he could lose most people if not for Maud singing along. But, all of a sudden there is a cluster, possibly only of rhythm, or possibly of rhythmic chords, or of melody, and it hits you smack dab between the eyes, and in your heart, and you might be crying from the beauty. And the emotions that you have connected to the songs, they come back with it. Maud taps into something that is not to be overlooked also.

She is especially powerful on old blues, boogie, rock and roll, and these chestnuts they perform that few people know.

“Youngblood “ was next, and incredible.

Then an instrumental

Then Auld Lang Syne on Garth’s horn.

Garth and Maude hung out, visited, signed things, and were everybody’s friend and host.

This is a show not to be missed. If there is any way that you can amke it to one of their performances, I urge you, whatever the sacrifice possibly required, it is worth it and three times as much

. Garth is a rare genius, sounds that are not available to many people are available to him.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Lifeboy and Bruce

Lifeboy - how are yer diddling? - you are in for a treat backtracking on Bruce. I would start with 'Tracks' the 4 cd set of bootlegs now officially released. Some sensational stuff on there plus it is presented fairly chronologically.

What I would say however - as someone who only picked up on him in 1981 with The River - you must get hold of a ticket for his May tour. He's in Manchester [MEN] and London [Crystal Palace]. There are still tickets available I believe. Bruce live is ... truly something unique. You simply cannot ask for more than a man than him giving you every last morsel of himself night after night. That tho is Bruce. His band aren't half bad either.


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Posted by:

Richard Wall

Subject: Garth & Maud at the Colony Cafe

Bravo Garth & Maud!!

Great show! Great club! Great crowd!

I'll try to write more later when I've had a chance to recover, but a special salute to Yesterday's News, a Baltimore band to watch for in the future. They sure know to whom to look for inspiration, and I think they got enough of it last night to last for quite a while.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Hornby trains...

...well maybe not but I think he plays five -a-side anyroad.

We're on my pet subject here Pete lad as you well know. Not to bore anyone who hasn't the foggiest what we're going on about more than is reasonable [reasonable degree of boredom - yeah - sounds fair enough on a forum ] I'll just say that Hornby was a writer looking for a suitable vehicle as a platform for his writing. He found it with footy and ultimately it was to make him a millionaire. Good luck to the guy. He was NEVER - in a month of sundays - a footy fan writing about the love of his life as he has been projected. Then again, everything's relative and by the criteria of some of the nouveau fans you find these days he was an absolute fanatic, never mind the fact he supported at least two teams!! :-o)


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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Truth Be Told

There are many times when I felt they didn't live up to their potential. Our constant search for previously unreleased recordings, bootlegs, guest appearances, anything.....speaks to that fact in many ways.

I don't think the unrealized potential means the quality of their work never peaked. I believe the unrealized potential was for so much more of that standard bearing work.

Thank you MattK and Peter Viney for reinforcing (seemingly unbeknownst to either) the exact point I was trying to make about RR's words. I find it hilarious that you both jump to explain this bit of patronization on RR's part to me while completely overlooking the fact that the person who posted it took those words literally. You fine gentlemen seem too prepared to gloss over the fact that our worldly interpreter seems blatantly desperate to here from RR only the things that will somehow substantiate her adoration. Don't shoot the messenger but certainly ask for the tapes.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Christgau

The 70s book was far more to my taste than the 80s one. He did have a way with pithy reviews- witness the one word review he gave a Levon solo album, "Boogie." However, he often lacked taste, and definitely failed to appreciate the finer points of The Band. As for Nick Hornby didn't he support Cambridge United at one time?


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Posted by:

Ben Turkel

Location: New Jersey

I recently found a copy of 'the first waltz' video. I enjoyed it, particularly Rick's performance of 'book faded brown' and his leading the other musicians through 'the weight' in the finale. Nicholas Tremulis mentions his admiration for Rick who worked on his last album, which is in the discography, but there isn't much information on Rick's contribution, I believe he is listed as appearing on one song. I'm curious if anyone has this album and can comment on it and in particular on Rick's contribution.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Christgau

Agreed Ray - never trust a man who writes about rock'n'roll without a silly grin on his face :-o)

Re Dave Marsh - too right - what wouldn't he have given to have penned Jon Landau's 'r&r's future' line and bump into Brucie gazing at that poster!!!!


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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Robert Christgau

In a book called "Stranded," where top rock critics picked the album they'd take to a desert island, Christgau's choice was the first record by the New York Dolls--an important album, and a rousing, disturbing one, too. The essay he wrote about his choice took a shot at Robbie Robertson for positioning himself as a "fervent opponent of 'glitter rock'."

(It's fascinating to see Levon Helm and David Johansen working together these days, speaking of the Dolls.)

Christgau currently is a big booster of hip hop and Eminem. The thing that bothers me the most about him, I guess, is how he wrote about Jimi Hendrix back in the 60s, calling him an Uncle Tom, a minstrel act, etc, etc.

My take on Christgau is that save for the Brown Album, he had no use for the Band whatsoever. And Dave Marsh is an interesting case--hates Robbie Robertson, hates the Last Waltz, is a bit of a Levonista, (hey, maybe he should start posting in the GB!) and considers the Band to be a group that never lived up to its potential. But Marsh's devotion to Springsteen is embarrassing--even to a hardcore Springsteen fan like me. And his antagonism toward Dylan is based on Dylan's support for Israel in the wake of that country's war in Lebanon in the early 80s. He also, with a straight face, went around giving interviews in the 80s in which he said that Neil Young was responsible for killing his (Marsh's) father because Young supported Ronald Reagan.

Bottom line? Rock critics who don't appreciate the Band aren't to be trusted.


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Christgau again

Also from what I recall he's not particularly sold on Bruce Springsteen, Randy Newman, Tom Waits and REM. And I think if I'm not mistaken he's only so/so on Van the man and Dylan - though he did adore Love and Theft. In fact, there's only the odd thing to commend the guy's taste!!!! :-o)

Of course, I may well be wrong.

It has been known.

Often.

:-o(


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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Robert Christgau

Richard - I would hope our hatchet is buried. Put it this way - you refrain from comments like before and I'll sure be more than willing to offer out the hand of friendship.

Re Christgau's take on The Band. He is less than complimentary on them but that is from Stagefright onwards - his album reviews tend to be post 71.

Intrigued as to what he thought of Big pink and The Brown album I dug up some hiddden stuff he'd done. I posted it on here some time last year. The gist is that Big Pink left him a bit cold but he rated 'The Band' highly - I think he would have given it his top rating had he been rating at that time.

Since then I've looked at a many of his reviews. There's no doubt that the guy has encyclopaedic knowledge of untold thousands of artists and albums. Its' his life for chrissakes.

I, personally, would not, however, back his judgement on a great deal. Put another way, unlike say Lester Bangs or Greil Marcus his taste tends to veer considerably away from my own. Not totally - as with his liking for The brown album, The beatles, The La's and so on.

My own take on Christgau's tastes is that it is borne out of a middle class/suburban fascination from without rather than a streetwise insight from within.

In other words, he is a wannabe - someone who observes the music rather than someone who is steeped in it. Our equivalent in Britain would be Nick Hornby who was never a part of our country's inherent football culture. He merely observed and wrote about it to attain a status.

I think the best example of this is to be found in Christgau's all time heroes - The Rolling stones. For him they can scarcely do no wrong. Clearly, there is not a great deal wrong with his attachment to such a fabulous band. It's just that you cannot help but get the impression that his attachment is borne out of an identification with their suburban/middle class roots which affords him an easy instinctive tuning in with their take on rock'n'roll rather than The Band's more instinctive 'feel'for the idiom.

Maybe I'm wrong but that's the impression I detect from reading many of Christgau's articles and reviews.

In somewhat ironic contrast to his giveaway middle classness in respect of early rock'n'roll - though still with a clear wannabe streak - is the other major feature of his writing. This is his virtual superhuman efforts to ingratiate himself with the rap/hip hop music of the street. He is now literally steeped in this music and seems to venture back into rock only very occasionally. Forinstance he loved some of the recent roots country stuff plus a rather idiosyncratic Brit group called Belle and Sebastion. He doesn't appear to have discovered either Gene Clark - in fact I think he has something against dear old gene - nor The Gourds. So I've stopped reading his stuff. :-o)


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Quote of the Day

Before I give the Quote of the Day, I have this piece of advice...NEVER post on this site when you have a hangover!...I must have been out of my mind when I wrote "everyone has his own view as to why Rick died..."...if that ain't pouring gasoline on a fire!...but I digress again...

QUOTE OF THE DAY~ARGUEMENT

"It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them"

Caron De Beaumarchais

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Lil: Rick Danko's Death

Lil...thank you for correcting the information...I had been told his birthday was December 9...and Levon in his book "This Wheel's on Fire" states that he came home for his birthday on December 9th...I had heard about his death on the radio and read it in the newspaper...showing that even in death the media still can't get it right!

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Catharines

Subject: circa TLW

I found this reference to The Band at the bottom of an archived Robert Christgau article in the Village Voice dated Oct '76. Kind of interesting...

"Ron Delsener is to be congratulated on his redecorations at the Academy, I mean Palladium. New paint but it's still tacky. But did I hear that Neil Diamond was going to do eight days there? Even tacky can go too far. . . .

"The Band's kickoff show at the Palladium (I saw it Sunday) was ecstatically received by almost everyone but me, which is probably my fault; as usual, I was admiring but cool. This coolness extends to their new best-of, which I almost suspect represents some sort of retribution from Capitol for real or imagined malfeasances, like not wanting to be on Capitol any more. An otiose piece of plastic; new Band fans are advised to begin with The Band and work from there. I'm disturbed to hear, by the way, that the Band's latest tour--even though one had a hunch they were pushing their acceptability slightly past its limit--has been plagued by cancellations. Whenever a quality act suffers reverses, gloom must descend upon the artistically serious people who remain in the biz. And that ain't good. . . ."

Village Voice, Oct. 4, 1976


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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Moseley

Subject: Lost Highway

I've not seen all of Loast Highway - but I've stored them up. The first one was excellent. Good historical analysis of the roots of country. Think so Lifeboy?


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Posted by:

Lil

Fallen Angel/Daniel: Rick died from a massive stroke on Dec 10, 1999. (His birthday would've been Dec _29_). Thanks.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Boss

Lifeboy- after reading Uncut's Springsteen special, I took Nebraska off the shelf and dusted it down myself. I recall that Bruce said somewhere he was proud that the Band covered Atlantic City and was proud of their version. Bruce sings it superbly, but Levon's voice adds an edge to the lyric that makes it the ultimate take. The cover discs are both pretty good- if you like Volume 1 it’s well worth the £3.99 for Volume 2. The covers tend to a stripped down delivery, but that’s because four on each have been especially recorded for the disc. Standouts for me on Volume 1 are The Mendoza Line on Tougher Than the Rest & Dion doing Book of Dreams. As the article says, Suzi Quatro gets something extra out of the line “tramps like us ” on her version of Born to Run. Vol 2 has The Waterboys on Independence Day, Jesse Malin on Hungry Heart , Heather Nova on I’m on Fire and Steve Earle on State Trooper. Sometimes tribute discs work, sometimes they don’t – this definitely does.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Rick Danko's Death

Ricky came home for his birthday...went to sleep that night...and never woke up. I believe the official cause was heart attack...his poor tired heart just stopped beating. We all have our own views as to why this happened...but it does no good to belabour the past. The end result...no matter what the reason...is that he is gone...and we all miss him terribly.

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Steve Mascone

Location: Toronto

Subject: Levon's Book

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned that Levon's book was at the World's Biggest Bookstore. I'd been looking for it for some time. It's fantastic; I've already read it two times over! There were a bunch of copies, too, when I was there --if anyone else is interested. Rock on, everyone, rock on.


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Posted by:

daniel

I just want to know what happened to rick. I know he passed away, but from whaat?


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Posted by:

Bob Bass

Just found the web site. The Band was and remains a huge influence on me and my life. I've loved their music since Big Pink, and now my kids love The Band as well. Thanks to these wonderful musicians for some really sweet and glorious memories.


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: P.S.

Have any of you Brits (Peter, Roger?) been watching Lost Highway on BBC2?


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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: The Band doing "Atlantic City" .

I've not got around to the post Robbie stuff yet but I got the free CD with Uncut magazine and "Atlantic City" sounds great. I sat down with my girlfriend Mel tonight and listened to it, Levon with the mandolin at the start sounds lovely and what really made me smile was at about 4.05 when the accordian is really going there's a cranky little keyboard run and Mel exclaimed "There's Garth!", she doesn't have the bug as bad as me but it was nice to see her spot Garth in there, even though it's obviously him on the accordian Mel spotted him on the keys straight away. I've not been in to Bruce but that magazine article made me go out and buy "Nebraska" today....love it! I sense some backtracking comin' on.


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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: Watch Out Woodstock

On their way,,the MINNESOTA MAD MAN,,"Dave Z", with Chris and the little Zookers!! After a breakfast call at Buffalo the Z's are on they way!! Safe trip!! Doesn't seem like a week since the JWB show at the Castaways, Ithaca, New York! The 300 strong crowd, mostly Ithaca Coll. and Cornell U. students saw the MASTER of the TELECASTER,,and were awed!! Great show guys!!


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: the technical aspecs of bombing a bus, aka busje komt zo

Subject: Mullah Omar

Dear Mullah, please help me out here ...... what if your "martyrs for the Jihad" just missed the bus? ...... do they blow themselfs up still? (just for fun)...... or would they try the next stop, to free us all? ...... just curious ......


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Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Vinyl Cleaning

If you've got the money (see my link) The Nitty Gritty record cleaner is probably the best. I can't afford that; so borrowing a page from my old FM Vinyl days.....spray some distilled water on top and wipe dry with traditional record cleaner. Sounds Great!


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Posted by:

Mullah Omar

Location: Somewhere

Subject: Bus Stops - The Free World

Fortunately, our young martyrs for the Jihad have no trouble waiting at bus stops in Israel. There can only be a truly "free world" when everyone submits to the will of Allah!

Allah Akbar - God is Great!


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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: still hanging around...

Looked at the Drawings section here. just got a kick out of Tracy R's knock off of the TIME cover, using the 90's Band.

very cool.

Dave Z: Send in a pic of that mural you were working on a while back!n I made Postcards from the garth Hudson painting. I'll send something soon.interested in a postcard? (Free, Like my CD) pehr1960@yahoo.com


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Posted by:

Norbert

Location: 10 pack pizza (pay 5) & a 2L coke bottle
Web: My link

Subject: When I paint my masterpiece

Ragtime, beste vriend (nog bedankt) ...... weet jij of de Aldi binnenkort een kettingzaag in de aanbieding heeft? (moet nodig het bos in voor de allesbrandert)


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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Hi amanda

Hi Amanda! welcome back.

Caledonia?

Thanks Richjard Wall

Loved the Rick Pic

Times like these, Woodlark. Best...


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Aaarrrrggghhhhh....another album gone

Thank you all so much for the advice...I truly appreciate it.

Now I found that another album is gone...one of my treasured Arlo Guthrie Albums...I can't remember the title but it had this great song called "Reuben Clamzo" on it...can anyone remember that far back?

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: vinyl

I've washed records the way bassmanlee described. It works good. Just watch out for the label getting wet. Also, you can still get discwasher record cleaning products through places like Bags Unlimited.


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Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Cathaines

Subject: Cooking Vinyl

Fallen Angel: I've always believed that the best way to clean a vinyl LP is to PLAY IT. I’ve noticed dramatic improvements in the sound quality and clarity of almost all of my record show “finds” over the course of 2 or 3 plays . I'd be hesitant to apply any type of fluid to the surface of a record that rated anything better than a dog's lunch.

Nothing comes into more intimate contact with the grooves of a record than a needle.


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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Protest singers

I was removed from the front of the US Embassy by the police today. Why? Did I demonstrate? No, I waited for a bus on the bus stop. It is no more allowed to wait for a bus in the front of the Embassy!!! Not my idea of the free world...

Protest singers, where are you now when you are needed the most?


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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: cleaning vinyl LPs

I have also used dish soap to clean LPs. But there are a few problems with that. The label often gets wets, and if you air dry them you get streaks, water stains, etc. I have found a new method. I now use the spary foam, the stuff you clean computer screens with. I doesn't run or drip and does not get on record label. I then wipe LP with a cheese cloth or chamoise, spelling?? I avoid using paper towel. I find this method the best. Qick, easy and efficient.


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Posted by:

MattK

Subject: Hey, but it's really great to be here

Peter, I returned to my birthplace (Denver) for the first time in 10 years this past summer. When I left it, I told folks it was because I'd come to hate living there after 25 years. When I returned, friends asked if I liked it better now (Denver has had something of a boom and grown dramatically since I lived there). I was honest and told them that I still hated it, but since it was so much bigger there was more hate to spread around ; ).

Fortunately, I spent most of the trip backpacking and hiking and was able to enjoy the company of friends without having to spend more than a couple of days in America's most overrated city -- and like every good native Coloradan, I still blame Texans for ruining Denver ;-).


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Posted by:

b_lee

Subject: one more thing...

On washing records, I left out RINSING. Very important as soap residue will result in 'rice crispies' when you play the record.


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Posted by:

bassmanlee

Subject: cleaning them grooves

Angel, believe it or not you can wash them, like you wash dishes. (NOT in the dishwasher!!!) This has to be done very carefully, with a mild detergent solution and a soft, grit-free cloth. Don't immerse the record or you will damage the label (try to keep that dry). Wipe the record in a circular fashion, with the gooves, never across them. Dry in the same fashion with a lint-free cloth. If you have an old-fashioned dish rack you can set them in it carefully to air dry some more after wiping. This method takes some care and practice, but will resurrect LPs that have gotten musty and nasty or have been subjected to little sticky fingers. Start with your most expendable title for practice, wash it, dry it thoroughly and play it, and see how you've done. I recovered several yard sale finds with this method. If, however, actual mould has grown on them, it may have softened the underlying vinyl and caused permanent damage. LPs are like old friends, though. We love them warts, scratches, and all.

Ed Blayzor, thanks. I've certainly heard of Cliff Eberhardt, but not heard him that I can recall. He does a nice job on Dar's cover, and I think he's playing somewhere nearby soon. I'll have to check him out. I've also not heard Cry, Cry, Cry but were aware of their existence, but forgot that Dar was involved. I think I got them confused with Bryndle (Andrew Gold, Wendy Waldman and Karla Bonoff). Some knock Dar for being cutesy or "precious", but as she has matured, that's worn off a bit. I think the new record will dispell that image if it gets any exposure. Definitely on my wanna get list as Mrs. Lee liked her performance very much.


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Posted by:

Fallen Angel

Subject: Cleaning Vinyl LP's

It seems the movers were not so careful when they packed my albums and some of them need cleaning desperately...It has been a long time I have done this so if someone find it in their heart to offer me a safe method I would be very grateful

Also I found that two of my records are missing...one is by a Canadian group called "Doug and the Slugs" (don't judge a band by it's name)...the other is by "Captain Billy's Whiz Bang"...I know these are...dare I say it...OLD bands, but perhaps someone can give me a clue as to where to try and get the vinyl albums...I don't think either of these groups were ever converted to CD's...thanks

Take care and be well


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Posted by:

Lil

My my.. "Andrew's Blues" would sure make a nice, singing-along-with-the-family-in-the-car tune, hm? :-) Yikes!

Loved the photos of Rick with Fred Neil. Especially liked the one with Jimmy Buffett. I knew someone once that would've loved that.

Have a good Saturday everyone. I'm off to work.


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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Andrew's Blues

Now I wonder why Gene Pitney didn't quote the lyrics to that one! It was surely the very session he was talking about where it was recorded - with him & Phil Spector being namechecked. If I recall Marianne Faithfull's autobiography, old Gene was quite a lad behind his careful besuited front.

Matt's note: This praise of the current venue by performers was satirised perfectly years ago at the start of Solomon Burke's "Everybody Needs Somebody To Love" which the Stones did around that time "I'm so glad to be here tonight and I'm so glad to be in your wonderful city …" The soul singers always did the cliche so much more elegantly than the bands of the 1970s "Hey! Detroit! We love you!" For the same reason Bruce will do Atlantic City in Atlantic City and get a HUGE cheer, as do Simon and Garfunkel when the word 'New York …' appears at Concert in Central Park, or Billy Joel playing Allentown … When I was in Toronto in 1993 or 1994 there was a local paper with a very short Robbie interview- 10 lines at the most, and though I'm an avid collector of Band related interviews I didn't bother to tear it out because it was more or less, "Toronto is my favourite city I'm glad to be home". EVERYBODY does it. I bet any of you who have moved from your place of birth say much the same if you visit relatives or friends back there (Gee, but it's great to be back home … as Paul Simon sang).


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Posted by:

Ed Blayzor

Location: New York

Subject: Dar Williams

Bassmanlee the male vocal on Dar's cover of Whispering Pines is Cliff Eberhardt, this is definately one of the best covers anyone has done of a Band tune. Also worth checking out is an album of cover tunes she did with Lucy Kaplansky & Richard Shindell called Cry Cry Cry.


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Posted by:

Kathy M

Location: Kentucky USA

Subject: Rick Richard Levon & all the guys

I love the band and would enjoy chatting with other fans. I guess I am a new fan, having rediscovered them when I saw TLW back in aug/sept 2002. God Bless the families of rick and richard, and God bless all the guys! I really appreciate your talents, and you have all given me such joy in your music. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JUST BEING! KATHY M


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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Charlie, isn't that "Urban Spacemen..." one entertaining book?


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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old