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The Band: Live at the Academy of Music 1971

Levon Helm: Ramble at the Ryman

The Band: Three of a Kind

Robbie Robertson: How to Become Clairvoyant

Garth Hudson Presents a Canadian Celebration of The Band

Levon Helm: Electric Dirt

Garth and Maud Hudson: Live at the Wolf

Pulse

Dirt Farmer

Elliot Landy's Woodstock Vision

The Band Guestbook, Match 2013


Entered at Sun Mar 31 23:52:10 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.15)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Here it is on a silver platter. Again.

Joan! Nice try at refereeing..I hope you are well. My point is other. It’s not who is better or who some one would rather see. The thought never should have been posed, The question never should have been asked. It’s in exceptionally poor taste.

Let’s look at it in other, or biblical terms. I believe this is as close an anaolgy as possible.

A man has 5 wives. One is seduced and kidnapped by a Hollywood producer and the bright lights when she was 16 years old. Through thick and thin, and maybe even better suitors, the other 4 remained faithful to the man. By the way.the man was named Mr.Band. We’ll call him Mr B..Some years go by, Mr B and his 4 remaining, steadfast wives are together, with several of their children. Two of the the wives die,off,leaving Mrs Levon B and Mrs. Garth B.All of the kids die off, except for JWBand, and RC Band. Mr Band dies too.

Then Mrs. Levon Band marries Mr Ramble, taking the name Mrs L Band Ramble, and taking JWBand and RCBand along into the new Ramble Band Family. . Mrs GBand visited occasionally…

Then Mrs L Ramble Band dies. Enter Mr B’s brother (the ghost or spirit of Mr. Band), Mr S. O. B. (Songs Of The Band). Mr SOB decides to keep it all in the family and marries Mrs G Band and adopts two more kids, JimmyV Band and Byron I Band, and ujnderstandably JW Band and RC Band want to stay with the family.

….Now enter the cousins.. The cousins visit a few times and everything is as hunky dorey as one could reasonably expect. The cousins are about to visit Mr SOB and Mrs G Band and all the children (Vivno, Isaacs, Wedier Ciarlante).again. Would it be good taste, or polite to ask the cousins if they preferred visiting their family when MrBand and MrsL Band, Mrs G Band, Mrs Manuel Band, and Mrs. Danko Band were alive, or if they prefer visitng their fmaily now that it is MrBs Brother. Mr SOB, ( songs of MrBand). Mrs G Band and the new family, Mr I band, Mr Jimmy VBand, JW Band and R CBand?


Entered at Sun Mar 31 23:45:28 CEST 2013 from (75.34.59.178)

Posted by:

Adam

"Billy C" - Again, you're reading too much into my original post.

I am a student and great admirer of The Band's history, like everyone on this site. I have deep respect for The Band's original members, and all the musicians who have joined them from 1963-1999. It is an incredible history.

You haven't even grasped MY main point. "Songs Of The Band" is not about replacing anybody because they have passed. It's not "Oh, we can't have the original members, so let's get a bunch of other guys." These are very special players, with a history together, who started this ensemble in the wake of Levon's passing to pay tribute to the three voices and The Band's music. Nowhere have I ever said that he wouldn't "rather" share the stage with Rick, Levon or any of the other great musicians they played with in the '80s/'90s. I merely said that in 2013, this lineup is the collection of musicians that does them the most justice.

It's an amazing opportunity to see Garth play live anywhere, and these musicians really support him beautifully. It's a great, fun show, and to young fans like myself is a really exciting opportunity to see this music live.

Maybe reasonable folks like Pat B or Peter V can understand. Pat, is it just us Chicagoans or what? Peter V sort of inspired my widely misunderstood original post. When Peter was talking about material of the '80s/'90s Band and that he wishes there was more variety, I thought of asking him: "KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE ORIGINAL BAND MEMBERS RICHARD, RICK AND LEVON CREATED THIS MUSIC, AND THAT THE STELLAR REUNION MUSICIANS WHO PLAYED WITH THEM, CAN BOTH NEVER BE REPLACED: Which material would you rather see live?"

I now consider this attack/argument over. And for your information, I do not 'play' journalist. I'm a young musician who enjoys writing about life changing experiences I've had.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 22:19:34 CEST 2013 from (96.20.158.81)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

I've been listening to an interesting thing I stumbled onto while browsing on Itunes called Frank Zappa's Jukebox which has a lot of obscure (to me anyway) R&B and Doo-Wop material. Some classical which to my ears is feh! But the rest is top notch.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 22:18:19 CEST 2013 from (70.192.73.6)

Posted by:

Ari

Friend-o. I don't understand what offended you about Adams comment.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 21:33:37 CEST 2013 from (92.18.218.68)

Posted by:

Soloman

The cover and title of the new EC album doesn't impress me. However, I do love Taj Mahal and JJ Cale! I will stream it;)


Entered at Sun Mar 31 21:05:20 CEST 2013 from (92.18.218.68)

Posted by:

Soloman

Subject: Recent music

The new Billy Bragg album is also very easy to enjoy along with Emmy and Rodders.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 20:56:35 CEST 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Old Sock

A very diverse and interesting album with excellent songs and fine musicianship.Ive read a lot of criticism from those hoping for guitarcentric music and while I adore EC's guitar,Old Sock is about the songs.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 20:54:04 CEST 2013 from (87.24.13.154)

Posted by:

Roger

Subject: I'm listening to...

...not Eric Clapton. I haven't thought about getting it. I read the Mojo interview and was disappointed that the interviewer didn't pick up on the two comments he made about The Band - which were strong shouts for our guys. He mentioned Los Lobos - they're supporting Neil Young when he arrives in Brum in a few weeks.

I'm listening to EmmyLou and Rodney Crowell - easy to enjoy. And David Bowie - which needs some work.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 19:24:21 CEST 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Adam/Jeff

It's probably just a matter of semantics, I think the answer to which you'd rather see, is I would rather see both. It's not Apples or oranges it is fruit salad. Always evolving as good music should.

Enjoy it all. Peace


Entered at Sun Mar 31 19:21:06 CEST 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest
Web: My link

Subject: Cindy Cashdollar

There is nothing so pure in music as to watch Cindy Cashdollar play....in this case a 1927 guitar from her collection. She explains how she came by it, and then plays.

Music for the heart..........Hi Todd!


Entered at Sun Mar 31 18:56:44 CEST 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Old Sock

Eric Clapton's new album gets off to a great start. He begins with Further on DOWN the Road, with Taj Mahal, who wrote it. I always thought it a way better song than Further on UP the Road of guitar strap fame. The next one is Angel with J.J. Cale, which in bits sounds like You Ain't Goin' Nowhere. Both are fabulous versions. I'm not so sure about covering The Folks That Live On The Hill (in Geoff Muldaur style), or All of Me (with Sir Paul). They might grow. Anyone else listening to it?


Entered at Sun Mar 31 17:50:38 CEST 2013 from (108.223.61.159)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Amy Helm

Bob F. I had heard about that Radio Show from Red Hook on Friday with Amy and her band, but wasn't able to tune in at that time unfortunately. Hopefully they will archive it somewhere.

However, I did have the pleasure of seeing Amy later Friday night at the Infinity Music Hall in Norfolk, CT. They've really hit their stride as a band since seeing them last Fall in New Hampshire.

Many highlights, but one of my favorites from the night was Little Birds.
I shot some video and took a few still photos, and will post a link once I get a few clips uploaded to YouTube. Byron now plays a bass ukelele on some tunes......pretty wild!

BEG, I run into Crabgrass occasionally at shows in NYC. Last time I saw him was at City Winery for an outdoor Ollabelle gig last summer. But it's been a while now.

Hey Norm, thanks for the mention the other day.

Anthony, we all love The Band, but some of us are critical fanatics, and others are fanatical critics. There's room for everyone in the funhouse.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 17:44:08 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.15)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Adam- here is what you wrote:"The question always comes into mind: would you rather attend a reunited The Band & Friends concert in the '80s or '90s, or catch this amazing lineup with the legendary Garth Hudson, playing material that hasn't been seen onstage since 1971 or earlier (in many cases, never)."

Now you claim it was an innocent statement and your opinion…………………..Well, if you are going to spend some time with Garth, and also play journalist, you have to use your head, and be respectful.. And learn how to write. ..

You made the comparison. Well, you are comparing formal Band lineups with 3 or 4 Band members to a very occasional show that has the one active Band member in it.. Garth is Beethoven for our times and worthy of all the respect in the world. Going to see Garth is what this show is about. And getting to hear Garth play on Band songs is also what this show is about. I love Vivino’s musicality, but there are a lot of opportunities to see Vivino play. And there are a lot of opportunities to see Weider and Ciarlante play. This show is about Garth. And Garth doing Band songs.. Nothing else. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Jimmy V. would have a problem with me saying that. Jimmy is paying homage and showing respect. He doesn’t need his ego stroked.. Unfortunately, there are never enough opportunities to see Garth play live.

Now you are quoting Weider. Sorry, but , despite the length of time they served as junior Band members,, Weider and Ciarlante are not The Band and do not represent The Band..(If either of them wants to tell me I am full of shit, they can go right ahead). . Hudson, Manuel, Danko, Helm Robertson, they were The Band. Comparing wanting to see which lineup of the two entirely different things is totally out of place and irreverent. It's a matter of respect to Garth. and a matter of sensitivity and understanding...

You haven’t even grasped the main point- it has to do with being alive. When you posed that stupid theoretical question, you ignore the fact that this present occasional show is essentially by virtue of death. So, when your thought came to your mind, you should have asked yourself, who would Garth rather share the stage with. Would Garth rather his old comrades be alive, or would he rather be playing songs that haven’t been played in decades with these guys cause he;s the only man that plays out and is standing? And then you should have canned your thought. Think about what the hell you write when it comes to these kind of things..

Far as you telling me to calm down- you can kiss my tucchas..


Entered at Sun Mar 31 15:24:58 CEST 2013 from (184.144.106.11)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Amy Helm chats to O2 Academy TV about her earliest musical memory, how having a musical family has influenced her and growing up surrounded by amazing musicians." Also available "Amy Helm Natural Performer".

While seeing Ollabelle in New Jersey, Crabgrass insisted that I meet the band. Amy was sweet and very attentive to even the smallest of fans. Glen and I had the most connection as we're both Canadians. He showed sensitivity that helped at the time as I was unfortunately in the grieving process.

We also saw Ollabelle in NYC this weekend where Dylan's "Blood On The Tracks" was being honoured by Buddy Cage and many other musicians. I finally got to meet Buddy who also grew up in Canada. His very young lovely wife was wearing a one of a kind Bob Marley jacket from Jamaica. Ollabelle did a beautiful cover of Dylan's "You're A Big Girl Now".

Thanks to this site I met Crabby. When he tried to start a fffffff with Robbie and Dylan, I emailed him....and we became buddies. We've lost contact over the years. If anyone sees him, please say hello. I'd love to hook up with him while in NYC for Eric's Guitar Festival. :-D

I saw The Waterboys in the eighties when we were young and just havin' fun. Once Karl Wallinger left (1983-1986)......not the same band for me. The three recordings that my older brother and I really dig are.....

A Pagan Place
This Is The Sea
Fisherman's Blues


Entered at Sun Mar 31 14:10:03 CEST 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Amy Helm

I hope some folks got to hear the Amy Helm Band WKZE Parlour Session I linked on Friday. Just a great show. In addition to new songs from her new record due in September, she did 'It Makes No Difference', The Dylan/Band arraingement of Woody Guthrie's 'I Ain't Got No Home', Dylan's 'Meet Me In The Morning' and the original version of 'Slipping and Sliding'. Amy has the amazing Daniel Littleton on guitar.

It was a great holiday week for music in the Hudson Valley. On Tuesday the Waterboys did a free show at WDST in Bearsville and then on Friday we had Amy Helm accross the bridge in Red Hook on WKZE. Wonderful music. Spring is in the air. Happy Easter everyone!


Entered at Sun Mar 31 13:28:59 CEST 2013 from (81.159.31.234)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Bad management?

Just played the brilliant 'Stage Fright'. Spent a lot of time going through Jan's site articles. Always grateful for those who have given time to write the articles.

I think the Band suffered from really bad management, or am I wrong?

Should MFBP been marketed/publicised better?

Should they not have been on the Woodstock film? I remember going to see this with packed audiences - thousands of miles from where the concert took place.

Should the Basement Tapes not have been released far earlier? Did the Band get enough credit for this? It's Richard's singing which makes 'I Shall Be Released' really special.

After 'Before the Flood' tour, where the Band's performances are really praised, should more not have been done to promote them? Would this not have stopped the fade out of the career? Only one top twenty album in Britain, some disappointing placings of albums in US.

Why wasn't Watkins Glen recorded and an album made? I had never heard of it until this site. Think of the general public in UK - they've all heard of The Who 'Live at Leeds'

Should finances not have been better managed? I find the recent stories about Garth sad - the uncashed check!

And finally better health care for some members. I think of Richard's untimely death.

Also while I'm on a rant. It's all about opinions - when you listening to the first three albums I don't think Richard's singing has been surpassed. Listen carefully.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 09:49:19 CEST 2013 from (75.34.59.178)

Posted by:

Adam

"Billy C" - You severely misinterpreted my earlier post. It seems like you took an innocent statement and ran with it! Jim Weider himself says in my interview with him: "The idea is this isn't just a tribute band, it's an extension of The Band. It keeps the music alive. That's what Songs Of The Band is about, and that's what we want people to perceive."

I never said this lineup was "better" than lineups with original members Levon Helm, Rick Danko, Robbie Robertson, etc., or any of the reunion lineups for that matter. It was an innocent statement, sparked by the discussions here about material in the '80s/'90s Band and the group's legacy today. It was my opinion, so calm down.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 08:11:18 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.15)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Why is it always the drummer?

Linked is an interview with Liberty DeVitto . Quite a wild read. Don't quit reading this , you have to get to his letter to Billy Joel. When Joel got the letter, he read it out loud to a roomful of people,. so i guess that is why Liberty has no problem making it public.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 07:50:03 CEST 2013 from (173.3.48.15)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Reggae?

Who'd of thunk it. A drummer, to say such things. Such chutzpah.... Apparently, Levon was a trailblazer. See the link. the article was from 2009.

Devitto actually sued, not sure what the legal basis of the suit was, but apparently DeVitto had a case, cause they settled out of court. I';m not sure if DeVitto is back to performing with Joel or not. Joel's drummer at the Sandy benefit was excellent, i didn't get a great look, but thought it nmight have been Fig.it coulda also been Devitto. I honestly hope it was. but from the sounds of these articles, who knows if they repaired their friendship.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 06:50:42 CEST 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

1985. Both Garth and Richard talked about things.

Garth: We won't play much; it's time for everybody to work on their own enterprise. The road's okay. I had a considerable piano technique built up; I was out to kill. But when I got on the road, I lost it.

Richard: Well, I sobered up and I pay a lot closer attention when I realize what we threw away. We didn't really throw it away, we benched it and in just this last year and a half I've seen millions of dollars go by...doors open, but we haven't taken advantage of it. That's why I'm irked to the point of just saying, 'Fellas, this is it, I'm going on with my own career.' Not that I won't play with The Band, anytime, I'm there a thousand percent, whenever, whatever the Band is, 'cause it's certainly not one person. The Band is five people and anything less than four is just a taste of what the Band is.

I don't want to continue doing what we've been doing for the last year and a half because we've done it to the point where we're dragging ourselves down...unless we come up with a new product.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 03:25:54 CEST 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Producer Phil Ramone Dead at 72

NOBERT: Love you too. Hope everything is well, and don't stay away too long..[Again]

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This came in my yahoo news..Lengthy, but relates a lot of this great man..

Producer Phil Ramone Dead at 72

By Miriam Coleman | Rolling Stone

Phil Ramone, the legendary music producer whose pioneering work with a host of stars including Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Ray Charles and Billy Joel earned him the nickname "the Pope of Pop," died on Saturday at the age of 72.

According to Billboard, Ramone had been hospitalized in late February with an aeortic aneurysm and died at New York Presbyterian Hospital.

Ramone was born in South Africa in 1941 and he began playing the violin and piano when he was three years old. He came to New York City as a teenager to study violin at the Juliard School, but soon developed an interest and talent in the technical details of recording. He began working as a songwriter at the Brill Building, which brought him into contact with music-industry legends like Quincy Jones, Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller, and in 1959 he launched the A&R Recording studios.

Ramone earned his first Grammy in 1964 for engineering Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto's bossa nova-jazz classic Getz/Gilberto, and would go on to earn 13 more (and 33 nominations). He produced Bob Dylan's Blood on the Tracks and Paul Simon's Still Crazy After All These Years, along with seven albums for Billy Joel, Frank Sinatra's 1993 comeback album, Duets, and Ray Charles' final album, Genius Loves Company. Other collaborators included Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Lesley Gore, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney and Burt Bacharach. Among Ramone's technical innovations, he is credited with helping popularize the compact disc.

"Our industry has lost an immense talent and a true visionary and genius," Neil Portnow, president of the Recording Academy, said in a statement. "Everyone who encountered Phil came away a better person for it, professionally and personally."

Notable musicians who worked with Phil Ramone By The Associated Press

– A list of some of the notable musicians who worked with Phil Ramone and the collaborations that they produced:

— Tony Bennett: albums in 2005 "The Art of Romance," in 2006 "Duets: An American Classic," in 2011 "Duets II"

— Ray Charles: his final album, 2004's "Genius Loves Company"

— Chicago: the 1978 album "Hot Streets"

— Bob Dylan: the 1975 album "Blood on the Tracks"

— Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto: the 1964 album "Getz/Gilberto"

— Billy Joel: his 1977 breakthrough album "The Stranger" and six later albums, including "Just the Way You Are"

— Quincy Jones: on the 1969 album "Smackwater Jack"

— Paul Simon: the 1975 album "Still Crazy After All These Years"

— Frank Sinatra: the 1993 album "Duets"

— Barbra Streisand: the 1967 live album "A Happening in Central Park," and the 1976 song "Evergreen" (Love Theme from "A Star Is Born")

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Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


Entered at Sun Mar 31 00:56:32 CET 2013 from (173.3.48.15)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Adam again.

Weider and Ciarlante were junior memebrs in the 80s and 90s Band. Try asking them which show they'd rather play in or see. A 80s or 90s Band show, or a Songs of The Band show today. I never really knew Weider beyond hello but i used to run into Randy in the mornings we got breakfast at the same deli.. still, i can imagine what they'd both say.... Nothing is perfect, and the world is a lot more complicated than it is clean. But there are people and things beyond comparison.


Entered at Sun Mar 31 00:35:01 CET 2013 from (173.3.48.15)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Adam, are you daft?

Adam. nothing personal, but TO ME the question you asked never came to mind, and is not even something worth considering. You wrote:" The question always comes into mind: would you rather attend a reunited The Band & Friends concert in the '80s or '90s, or catch this amazing lineup with the legendary Garth Hudson, playing material that hasn't been seen onstage since 1971 or earlier (in many cases, never). "

I saw several dozen Band shows in the 80s and 90s, and several dozen more with Band members. Vivino, a few hundred times. Vivino and Rick together a few times. i'm always ready to see Garth, and always ready to see Vivino.But,as good as theshow might be, the players are not The Band. it's not The Band. i'm not about to speak for Garth, and i will make it very clear I've NOT discussed this with he or Maud,but it's his perspective that matters. So you might consider what that might be, or even just the fact that he has a perspective and that is the only one that matters,so respect that when you write this stuff and edit yourself. the thought is not worthy of airing.

Think about the situation you posed. If you were Garth,would you rather perform with Danko, Helm, Szelest or Bell, and or Vivino and Isaacs.the others are constant. i'm a musical snob. If my heads screwed on halfway straight, I';ll put my ears up against most anyones. even with all the different kind of Band shows i attended, i;d still choose goign to see the 80s or 90s Band. there's no choice to be made. It's not about material.

Respect dammit.

The show is on the anniversary of Levon's death.


Entered at Sat Mar 30 23:58:31 CET 2013 from (75.34.59.178)

Posted by:

Adam

Subject: Jimmy Vivino/Garth Hudson "SONGS of THE BAND"

/nRobbie's upcoming live appearance at Crossroads Festival is very exciting. I wish I could attend.

A week after that concert, Jimmy V & Garth Hudson will be performing "SONGS of THE BAND" for a special Levon Helm memorial show at Tarrytown Music Hall. THIS is a once in a lifetime, brilliant musical experience. The question always comes into mind: would you rather attend a reunited The Band & Friends concert in the '80s or '90s, or catch this amazing lineup with the legendary Garth Hudson, playing material that hasn't been seen onstage since 1971 or earlier (in many cases, never).

I am putting finishing touches on my new article: "This is a new feature length article, documenting Jimmy Vivino and Garth Hudson's collaboration with three chapters of concert reviews (September 21 and November 24 2012, April 19 2013), group interviews (Jimmy Vivino, Byron Isaacs, Jim Weider, Randy Ciarlante, Garth & Sister Maud Hudson), and live photos. Support Levon Helm Studios to "Keep It Goin'", and come out April 19th to the Tarrytown Music Hall!"


Entered at Sat Mar 30 21:41:23 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Celebrating excellence: Paul Williams

We cannot forget the major literary contribution to the rock literature of Paul Williams, who died yesterday after prolonged disability following a tragic bicycle accident some years ago. Some say, he was the father of rock criticism. He initiated a major rock magazine and wrote a superb trilogy on the career of Bob Dylan, among many other works.


Entered at Sat Mar 30 21:29:49 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: 'Deep into the night, behind closed doors...'

From the NY Times today: Phil Ramone in his memoir (book) of a few years ago: "Mr. Ramone detailed decades of recording sessions with superstar artists and defined the role of record producer as being roughly equivalent to that of a movie director, creating and managing an environment in which to coax the best work out of his performers. “But, unlike a director (who is visible, and often a celebrity in his own right), the record producer toils in anonymity,” he wrote. “We ply our craft deep into the night, behind locked doors. And with few exceptions, the fruit of our labor is seldom launched with the glitzy fanfare of a Hollywood premiere.”"


Entered at Sat Mar 30 21:15:45 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Rock of Ages

Phil Ramone: Rock of Ages, Before the Flood, Blood on the Tracks, Ram, So Beautiful or So What, S&G: Concert In Central Park: Billy Joel repeatedly. Many many Grammies, Emmy, ... violin virtuoso, multitalented... a huge loss!


Entered at Sat Mar 30 19:06:43 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Only The Good Die Young

Phil Ramone has died of complications likely after an aortic aneurysm- 72 years old. His contributions are legendary. A loss to his family and to our ears and other sensibilities.


Entered at Sat Mar 30 18:52:14 CET 2013 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Shiver me feckin timbers

Avast ye scurvey dogs I'll have ye know me and Norb speak purrfeck English

:-0)


Entered at Sat Mar 30 18:22:37 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Mashups Girl Talk

I am a lucky father. Just as I introduced music to my kids years ago, they are now 'returning the favour'. So I have been introduced to 'Girl Talk', a biomedical engineering student from Pittsburgh area who is brilliant in his ability to create an hour of mashup bliss. Surprisingly, I really enjoyed it and have listened a few times. I realize it is technologic and that the talent resides in the performers, but to put this stuff together in a listenable and interesting manner is in itself an artful skill. Beck brought this type of sampling to us with 'Loser" in the 90s and it has taken off. Not for everyone's taste... I'd be interested in comments.


Entered at Sat Mar 30 18:15:02 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Pat / Al

Pat, I think first to interpret Al, you first have to take a course in, "How to Speak Pirate."


Entered at Sat Mar 30 18:02:48 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

As soon as Al Edge and Norbert start speaking English, I'll be able to contribute.


Entered at Sat Mar 30 17:53:51 CET 2013 from (77.102.201.158)

Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Eeeek!

Aaagh!!! Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the GB waters, along comes Norb!

:-0)

Welcome back yer daft arl bugger!

Also nice to see you back Si lad. How's it going mate?


Entered at Sat Mar 30 16:38:40 CET 2013 from (91.52.119.247)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: postbox 5675 De Lutte

Thank you all for the warm welcome!

Serenity many thanks for your beautiful poem, love you.

Joan, you’re a great woman, your doctor husband is a lucky man.

Jan, your Karmann Ghia book is on its way. The German post office here was already closed so I drove to De Lutte in Holland. Here they advised me to put it in the postbox outside, that should shorten the delivery by one day (Eastern). Outside the book got stuck in the postbox, together with the baker from across the street and an anonymous passer-by we pulled the book back out. After some discussion we turned the book around and the baker kicked it (sorry), inside the box. Anyway hope at least the address (if it’s still on that is) is right (O.D. gate in Halden?) To be sure I wrote Jan Høiberg FROM THE BAND behind your name, so that shouldn't be a problem in Norway.

Hi Angie! thanks.


Entered at Sat Mar 30 14:23:13 CET 2013 from (70.24.110.249)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

NORBERT!!!!!!!! You're still one of the best storytellers! ;-D I hope everything is ok now.

Top Duet Songs of All Time - Kickin' it Old School
"One dude's point of view on popular culture with special attention paid to the great decade of the 80s."

14. "Crazy Love" by Aaron Neville with Robbie Robertson - Outstanding version of this song featured in the film Phenomenon [link to video of scene from movie featuring song] *I posted this video before, but now....no longer available.

HOppy Easter Weekend. I am going to be surrounded by Catholics. I did eat fish in honour of them yesterday. Traditional dry bacalhau (Portuguese for codfish.)

Jon, Jersey Girl and Joan...It looks like I'll be in NYC in two weeks!!!!!!!


Entered at Sat Mar 30 02:17:18 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: k d lang

Golly gee, one after the other? I must be changing. NOT!!

Had to link this about one of the best voices ever. I know a lot of you guys like her too..Enjoy Canada's Walk Of Fame being held on Monday, April 1st...

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: NORBERT

Happy holiday weekend, all you wonderful people!! xoxoxo

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

NORBERT: My dear, dear friend. It is sooo nice to have you back again.. You have been missed.. Hope everything is going well with you and family..I don't have the time to post the way I would like too, but manage to post once-in-awhile..PLEASE stay awhile now!! xoxoxo

For you from me..

The warmest thoughts. we ever send

Are those that go from friend to friend.

The happiest wishes we ever make

Are the wishes made for friendship's sake.

The loveliest memories that we know were made

With good friends long ago.

The brightest tomorrow's yet to be,

We'll find in riendship's company

CYA soon xoxoxo


Entered at Sat Mar 30 00:34:04 CET 2013 from (67.84.77.190)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Norbert

Schnitzel big as manhole covers- wonderful!


Entered at Fri Mar 29 21:04:19 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Hey Nineteen, that's Hugh McCracken

The great guitarist Hugh McCracken, known primarily for his prodigious amount of session work, has passed away. A fine example of his playing can be heard on Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen." Many music listeners might not be familiar with him by name, but his playing is part of the soundtrack of many of our lives.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 21:00:11 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Location: Hog Town

Subject: Hugh McCracken

Hugh McCracken has passed away. One of my favourite albums; on vinyl that I own is Mike Corbett & Jay Hirsh with Hugh McCracken; on Atco.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 19:38:00 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Norbert! Where have you been? Good to see you back. I remember driving from Amsterdam to Groningen in the early 1980s and seeing a row of five or six Porsches lined up beside the road in police livery. I thought at the time there wasn't much chance of outrunning them!


Entered at Fri Mar 29 19:32:45 CET 2013 from (62.82.27.186)

Posted by:

jh

A book from the holy church of the sacred Ghia in Osnabrück? Yes, please. But a 911, Norb? Tsk, tsk. We could´ve accepted a 356.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 18:40:12 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

It's the first "nice" day we have had in a long time. Still coo 50's but the sun is shining.

Norbert nice to hear from you. Congrats on the Porsche. Great car.

Peter your explanation to Anthony hits the nail on the head.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 17:03:41 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.87)

Posted by:

Bill M

Hi Norbert! Good to hear from you.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 16:48:03 CET 2013 from (71.184.199.161)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Gene Clark and other things

Thanks for the Gene Clark link. I am somewhat a fan, via the much maligned Byrds Tribute tours which I caught twice in 85. I enjoyed it immensely. On that note one of the interesting things I noticed in researching The Band tour history was that in a little over a years time they gigged with every member of the original Byrds at one point or another from 84-early 86. Roger McGuinn both at the Rock and Folk Review and Summers on the Beach the weekend Richard passed. Chris Hillman at a Bluegrass Festival in 84 and many many dates with Crosby during their opening for the summer of 85 tour. I wonder if there were any awkward conversations since McGuinn, Crosby and Hillman were opposed to the Byrd Tribute shows (Clark and Clarke) of which both Rick and Richard took part.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 15:55:45 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

John D: I've really been enjoying Boz Scaggs' "Memphis" and its Al Green vibe.

Too bad the Tedeschi Trucks Band isn't listed for the Crossroads Festival this year. They're currently on tour in Australia and return to play down here in Savannah next week. But Derek will be appearing at Crossroads with the Allman Brothers Band and I wouldn't count out his lovely wife making a guest appearance


Entered at Fri Mar 29 15:42:31 CET 2013 from (91.52.107.182)

Posted by:

Norbert

Location: Grafschafter Stube
Web: My link

Subject: Niel Young, cool boots, The Creuse, schnitzels and the 993 (the last real 911)

Post for Neil; Unlike what some critics say (never mind them!) I enjoyed your book. A few notes though: I like how you saved those little trains, a good thing. Also like the way you buy your cars, emotional without hesitation or common sense (the first thing I would also throw away when I was in your position). But, with all respect for your environmental engagement, to chance a Lincoln Continental into a Linc Volt electric car is over the top (Google Young + electric and find the guitar second behind the electric car now, this has to stop). Neil fyoi electric cars won’t save us, it’s a myth. Know that EV’s (electrical vehicles)'s leave a carbon footprint that is bigger than big foot's. The battery problem will never be solved and don’t forget the neodymium, terbium, and dysprosium to name some. Stay out of that kitchen Neil and write songs. (love ya).

Boots: John Cougar Mellencamp has them, Tracy Chapman has them, Springsteen has them, Bob Dylan has them and the Clancy Brothers got them and I want them too.

The Creuse For about two years we visited the department The Creuse in France to attend some business. After a week I was happy to leave, didn’t like the Creuse much, TILL I read Susie Kelly’s "A 500-Mile Walk Through Hidden France". She walked alone through the same area we stayed. Where I had words with a pilgrim she enjoyed their company. Where I thought the country site was boring she enjoyed a wonderful landscape at sundown. Where vicious dogs went after me, puppies would cheer her up. Anyway the next time I’ll visit the Creuse I’ll leave my car and ignorance behind and also travel by food. As I share some bread with the locals I will realy listen to their stories about a proud man who fought in the war about Limousin cows and why the porcelain factory was closed and all left for the city of Paris. And to the old woman, who gives me a glass of water in the shade of an old church, I will report about a man called Dylan.

It’s been a while since I’ve been here. Not much has changed here in good old Germany, they still fight over the € and yes, I bought a Porsche 911 after a long search. The last of the air-cooled one from 1996 a black-black 993 Carrera 2 coupe (varioram) with sun roof (forgive me but I had to say it as a boy, almost the same as shown in the link). Anyway so I won’t need my Karman Ghia book anymore (which I bought in Osnabrück b.t.w.). Jan if you want it let me know.

This evening we will attend schnitzel (big as manhole covers) with a dear Dutch friend of us (who loves a decent, down to earth meal with a cold beer) in the best schnitzel restaurant in town, looking forward to that. Hope all are well here too, cheers all.

hi Angel from Toronto, good to see you around.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 15:30:42 CET 2013 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Subject: Paul Williams

Bob F, thanks for relaying the sad news about Paul Williams. I really enjoyed his Dylan 1966-1995 book awhile back.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 15:22:41 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Location: Hog Town

Subject: Clapton Interview in UNCUT

Peter, thanks for the reference to the Clapton interview. Today is Good Friday and everything is pretty much closed. Will look for it tomorrow. Very revealing comments about Led Zeppelin. Wonder what Robert and Jimmy think of the piece.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 15:19:01 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Location: Hog Town

Subject: Crossroads Festival

I notice that there are many artists being invited back again this year. I'm sorry to see that the Derek Trucks and Susan Tedeschi band are not coming back. I know, I know. You can't have everyone back; but on that last DVD of the concert, these two and their band really made it for me.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 15:09:52 CET 2013 from (81.159.31.234)

Posted by:

Dunc

Location: Scotland

Subject: Absolutely Brilliant.

Just played MFBP and The Brown Album back to back. You can't get better than that.

Enjoying recent posts. Thanks everybody.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 13:44:55 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Eric & Robbie

As to what he'll play with Robbie, rumour has it that the costume experts who have worked on Britney Spears and Beyoncé's suddenly revealing dresses, is now working on Eric's guitar straps, which leads me to think "Further On Up The Road" is due for a reprise complete with sudden guitar descent.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 13:41:59 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Crossroads Guitar Festival

Eric Clapton has his say in the recent UNCUT on much. He says "The Band … are my favourite group along with Los Lobos," but then we can guess which famous guitarist won't be invited:

Q: You're not a big fan of Led Zeppelin. Why?

ERIC CLAPTON: I couldn't take the high-pitch singing. There wasn't much about Led Zeppelin that I liked. It's never been easy to disassociate myself from the poltical connections that when Cream folded, Led Zeppelin came along. My part of walking away from Cream was to dismantle that aspect of music. I thought I had that much power that I could make that kind of music go away just by leaving the band. But sure enough, something (else) of that ilk came through the door. (But) I wanted everything to sound like The Band from then on.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 13:01:56 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Gene Clark

I know we have a lot of Gene Clark fans on the Guestbook. I don't know if they go Expecting Rain so I'm linking this Gene Clark article/music.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 12:52:58 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Paul Williams, RIP

The great music writer Paul Williams passed away the other day. He was the pioneer of what we take for granted today. His books on Bob Dylan are without equal. He published and founded Crawdaddy magazine.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 12:40:49 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F

Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Web: My link

Subject: Amy Helm live on WKZE today

Amy Helm is doing a live lunch time performance, which will be broadcast on WKZE (98.1) today at noon.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 08:23:36 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Band Gb

Next year, the Band site will be twenty years old. Some of the people here have been posting nearly that long. Many are past ten years. So we kind of got past saying 'they're our favourite group' a while back, though like an old and well established bar, newcomers are always most welcome, and saying you love The Band is the password on entry, sure. But The Band isn't a simple story, nor were they saints, nor was everything they ever did 'great.' As with all people, your best friends, your family, they had bad days, they did crap gigs, some tracks were not good.

So there is a lot of back story here, but each person arrived with 'I love The Band.' Stick around, join in, read the huge library and archive here. And keep listening to The Band.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 06:02:23 CET 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Anthony........The "Offering"

Anthony!........Your questions are not without merit..however.......you haven't lived it long enough....(I don't think).

There are a life time of things that have happened that you will need to read in the archives to understand. There is no one here who could explain it to you in a few short sentences. Your talking about a life time of living, and music.

Addiction.......I don't really think so. There are people here who I have come to know. Some, I don't even know what they look like......but I sure as hell know what they are about. In that knowing, I never want to be without them. I don't think that is an addiction. It is a cameraderie and a respect.

Having said these words to you, you'll have to make up your own mind.

Bill, JT, JQ, John D, Lars, Kevin J, Todd, Brien Z....aw shit, all the rest of you guys.

An example of what brings the hearts closer together. There is a forum here, called, "Heavy Equipment Forum.com. It isn't anything you guys would subscribe to, but there are us in the logging and construction industry who, like the music here, we discuss, logging, construction and the related equipment.

Also like here, there are loggers in New Zealand, USA, Ireland, and many countries where they are loggers, and we have many common threads.

Now, this part isn't fun. There are particular machines, like "Grapple Yarders" These are big machines that pull the logs out of the bush to the roadside to be loaded on trucks.

A couple of years ago, I was called by a long time friend to come and move his logging equipment. We have been friends since teens. His crew of about 20 men, are like family. When I put my barge to the beach and the ramp was down, they started to walk the machinery on to my barge. A big, 110 ton grapple yarder walks aboard, and out of it comes, my cousin. He is a great guy....huge, with a big beard like Grizzly Adams. He gives me a big bear hug, and we had a nice,(short) vistit.

Our families have always been very close. His mum and my mum were best friends.....Well not but a few months later, the guys were logging an area. My cousin's son was working in the "landing, the place where the logs are yarded to, and loaded on trucks". An uphill log broke loose, and very quickly rolled down to the landing, hitting my cousin's son, pinning him down and killing him. My cousin had to get out of his machine, take a chain saw and buck this log off his son......he hasn't been able to deal with it. He just quit and retired.

Some of these fellows from.....every where knew the company, and had heard of the accident, but didn't know the details, so I had to kind of fill them in, which is reliving it.....shit.

I could never find the words to comfort my cousin, and he's such a good guy. His son was a great young man, with 3 little ones of his own.\ What I'm comin' to is what I told the rest of these guys, (coming from an old guy who has been very, very lucky.) Keep the ones close to you, very close.........sometimes it is over real quick.

There are songs about these things....always.....he ain't heavy.........


Entered at Fri Mar 29 04:28:20 CET 2013 from (208.120.36.230)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

BEG, was wondering the same thing re Robbie. I know nothing about the festival... not sure if they mix up the performers from night to night, or everyone plays two nights in a row.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 04:12:46 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.83)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: Between Trains

Kevin J: Thanks for even remembering.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 03:58:19 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Boz Scaggs

Just to clarify the video just reads, Boz Scaggs Live. It's about 35 minutes long but Corinna Corinna is first. They spell it Corrina Corrina.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 03:52:50 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Boz Scaggs

On Boz's new album Memphis, he does his version of Corinna. Check out you tube and see him do it live; from awhile back. About 6 minutes long and backed by some great musicians.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 03:47:43 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Kevin J

Thank you for that link to Atlantic City. One of the best versions of that song I've ever seen the boys do. Garth does an amazing accordion solo.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 02:06:56 CET 2013 from (69.158.27.186)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Sebastian?...Jon Lyness? Will Robbie be performing on both nights at Eric Clapton's Crossroads Guitar Festival at Madison Square Garden, NYC?


Entered at Fri Mar 29 01:25:45 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David. I have my eye out for "Wigwam" and was wondering what "Thirsty Boots" was. Three weeks to go to Record Store day. On past experience, the Dylan will sell out in five minutes at £7.99, appear on eBay for £50 the next morning … then will turn up at Record Fairs a month later back at £7.99.

The other rapid mover at a guess will be the 12" "Maybe I'm Amazed" by Sir Paul, and The Rolling Stones "5 x 5" EP, but I have an original of that. It's a long list this year, and EMI liked to issue surprises at short notice too … but that was the old EMI.


Entered at Fri Mar 29 00:54:53 CET 2013 from (205.188.117.14)

Posted by:

Anthony

Subject: What’s going on?

Like I mentioned in my first post, I'm pretty new to The Band website, and newer to this Guest Book. This Book has a whiff of addiction, which scares me. I have too little time. A few recent posts surprised me, so I went back a bit to gain some context. I noticed that some of you welcomed me, so "Thank you." I am troubled by what seems to be Band bashing. What’s going on? Some contributors keep coming back with negativity about The Band. I’m having a hard time understanding that.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 22:26:12 CET 2013 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Kevin: Fear of Falling, an ensemble jam or two and the first verse of The Weight. Bank on it. :)

But seriously. Some tasty material would be great, but I'm pleased he'll be there at all. An all too rare live outing. Nice to see.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 22:00:26 CET 2013 from (74.198.9.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jon.....The last time RR played live was that sensational performance with The Roots on the Jimmy Fallon show.."Straight Down The Line".......Part of the reason it was so good was that he had finally kicked some of the cobwebs out of massive inactivity......part was the excellent band. I just cannot imagine not having played a single tune live in a few years never mind not having played a gig....to then walk out on stage at MSG and let it fly.......Very very difficult. EC is not big on rehearsing so I would think we are probably going to just get 2 songs - likely comfortable ones. Take your guess.....just hope "Fear of Falling" is not one as that is the only song on HTBC that I dislike.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 21:32:40 CET 2013 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Hey, this is cool: Robbie is apparently in the lineup for Eric Clapton's Crossroads Guitar Festival! April 12 and 13, Madison Square Garden, NYC.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 21:20:56 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: The Best of Everything

The "King of Comedy" soundtrack resulted in another Robertson / Manuel / Hudson collaboration. Tom Petty submitted the song "The Best of Everything" for the 1983 film. Robbie reworked the song, adding horns and brought in Richard to add harmony vocals and Garth to add some synth keyboard honey. Unfortunately, differences between Mr. Petty's label, MCA, and Warner Bros. prevented it from inclusion in the soundtrack. The version with Robbie, Richard & Garth was later included on Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers 1985 album "Southern Accents". (link above)


Entered at Thu Mar 28 21:03:53 CET 2013 from (74.198.9.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Between Trains

......and Bill M....after hearing this clean I can see how you have always felt Richard takes lead at one point.......interesting. Might be right.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 20:47:21 CET 2013 from (74.198.9.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINK: Between Trains.........take a good listen to this clean copy of a post Band masterpiece from Robbie Robertson with Richard Manuel helping out and weep to think what could have been. That this was written in response to a good friends death due to misadventure though might be enough to know that a reunion would not have worked.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 19:54:42 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

One of the limited releases featured for the upcoming Record Store Day next month is a Dylan 45-single of a demo version of "Wigwam" backed with a previously unreleased cover of Eric Andersen's "Thisty Boots", an outtake from the "Self Portrait" sessions.

Mr. Andersen's original version of the title song "Blue River" featured Joni Mitchell.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 19:39:52 CET 2013 from (184.144.110.72)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I didn't like the direction the Reformed Band were going to.....Instead of many genres of music and good songwriting......

joevideospot

"I played trumpet on the Woodstock 94 gig and this clip reminds me of what a wild day it was. Part of the stage roof gave way and dumped a torrent of water on the stage minutes before we played. It whacked the monitor system and we couldn't hear shit for the 2-hour show. Still had a great time and a lot of cool guests. You can see Roger McGuinn in this clip, and we also backed Bob Weir, Hot Tuna (Jorma & Jack) and Bruce Hornsby."


Entered at Thu Mar 28 19:38:06 CET 2013 from (74.198.9.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINK: The Band live with "Atlantic City"...........a glorious take.......often the Band without RR stumbled but when they soared, they really soared.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 19:05:19 CET 2013 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

I love Stages: The Lost Album...it got me hooked on Eric Andersen's music. It's all wonderful stuff, but for those of us here the final then-current tracks with Rick and Garth are particularly special. If you like the Danko/Fjeld/Andersen albums, it's well worth seeking out. I discovered the album circa 1997 or so, when I was on the hunt for pretty much any album any member of The Band had worked on.

One of the real gems of this site is Jan's section for "Albums by Other Artists with Involvement by Band Members" (linked)... just taking a spin through there, it's fascinating to see who they chose to do studio work with over the years and decades, and how much of it holds up today. It's a real treasure trove of music, and I can't count how many great artists that section has turned me onto.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 19:00:47 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Peter: I hadn't read your last post before posting mine. You raise some interesting questions regarding Rick's separate involvement with DFA. Mr. Andersen in particular would have been an excellent source for new material. My guess is that, at that time, Levon was steering the group in other musical directions. Hence, Rick used DFA as an avenue for other, more folky, styles.

We do know, from another Carol Caffin interview with D.A. Pennebaker, that Mr. Pennebaker's shot footage of DFA performing in 1991. Hopefully, the film might be released in some form some day.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 18:44:43 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: The Band in the '90s

Going back to that 1993 interview with Rick where he mentioned the Geffen overture. In discussing their situation at the time, he also mentioned "CD windfalls." Capitol first reissued The Band catalog on CD beginning around the late '80s. So, they probably saw a little bump in their royalty statements as a result. Back then I recall buying the individual first four albums on CD packaged together in a big long box.

It should also be noted that Rick at that time had begun collaborating with Eric Andersen and Jonas Fjeld, resulting in a self-titled album in 1991 and a follow-up, "Ridin' on the Blinds", released in 1994. The trio worked well together, complimenting each other's talents, to produce some fine original material, blended with well-chosen covers, in a loose, stripped-down country-folk style.

Backtracking a bit -- 1991 also saw the release of Eric Andersen's excellent "Stages: The Lost Album". In 1973, as a follow-up to his well-received "Blue River" album released by Columbia, he went back to Nashville to work with producer Norbert Putnam and top session players, who had also worked on "Blue River". The sessions resulted in 10 tracks, but amazingly, the tapes got misplaced and didn't get released. Fast track forward 17 years, and a box containing the "lost" master tapes was found in a Nashville studio. At last attempting to right this serious slight to Mr. Andersen's career, Columbia / Legacy finally released those 10 tracks, along with three newly recorded songs. The latter featured both Rick and Garth, along with other notable musicians including Shawn Colvin and Eric Brazilian. The highlight of the 3 was "Make It Last (Angel in the Wind), which featured Rick on bass and singing beautiful harmony with Ms. Colvin.

So we can see, in many respects, Rick's enthusiastic, fire in the belly, approach to music was re-vitalized with his reconnection with Mr. Andersen, who years before had appeared along with The Band on the Festival Express Tour. (As a sidenote, the aforementioned "Blue River" album featured a lively tribute to Janis Joplin, entitled "Pearl's Goodtime Blues".) Rick also contibuted on Mr. Andersen's haunting 1998 album "Memory of the Future." For more see the link above to Carol Caffin's great interview with Mr. Andersen.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 18:00:29 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Blowing Up Chicken Men

Yes, you have to wonder whether The Band chose Atlantic City, or whether it was one of the tracks suggested to them by Chertoff, given the Hyman / Bazilian input. That "young exec" also had his finger right on the issue: lack of writers, hence contacting Sid Griffin, Paul Westerberg and Los Lobos, plus those demos of Randy Newman and Jules Shears. Material was the unresolvable issue, and I will keep harping on how odd it was that Rick Danko collaborations of quality (though not quantity) were ignored by the 90s Band. Most obviously Driftin' Away, with Eric Andersen, and why not Eric Andersen's Blue River? The Band did play that live in Tokyo. Did Rick want to keep DFA separate? Why didn't The Band do (say) Small Town Talk live? It's a lot more interesting than some of the stuff they did do. OK, Free Your Mind or Small Town Talk? Driftin' Away or Caldonia? I know which choices are vastly more "Band-like."

Or were "songwriters" unwelcome?


Entered at Thu Mar 28 17:29:51 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

For all the supposed misguidedness of record exec Rick Chertoff, he managed to extract a cut that easily got the most attention of anything the post-LW version produced.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 17:18:37 CET 2013 from (94.172.128.127)

Posted by:

Roger

Location: UK

Subject: June Tabor

Hi JQ. June Tabor is folk crème de la crème. A grand dame of folk. Very big among Brit folk followers in the 70s. Still very much revered - rightly so. Equivalent to Martin Carthy. Worked with them all. Inspired many others.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 16:31:20 CET 2013 from (184.145.66.72)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Good stuff, Jeff. I see we're fast approaching on that sad anniversary.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 16:17:17 CET 2013 from (67.84.77.190)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Mike, apparently i looked in on cue. Had to scroll back to see my post...

That rimshot and chortle to which you refer would surely be Levon....for reference, just listen to Lost Dog Blues on School For Fools. While not exactly that, you'll hear the part to which i refer when you get to it. Four of us were mixing. Right after those drums the studio owner/ chief engineeer looked at us all, and said "Big tits."


Entered at Thu Mar 28 16:01:39 CET 2013 from (184.145.66.72)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Music posts aside, what I enjoy best is Billy C's (Jeff's) humor. Usually followed by a rimshot (and a chortle).


Entered at Thu Mar 28 15:18:31 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Albert Grossman

Fred Goodman's book "Mansion on the Hill" is an excellent source of information about Albert Grossman. I believe the paperback version is still available.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 13:27:05 CET 2013 from (184.144.108.112)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Part 2 Robbie and Chuck

Thanks Simon. Positive Vibrations surely help.
The "You Are Not Your Suffering" poem I shared with this community....I found on our bulletin board at the Community Acupunture Clinic where I volunteer and receive treatments. This place has become a sanctuary for me as everyone is in one room healing together from emotional/physical ailments. The environment is so peaceful and safe. I'm very fortunate that a former students' parent ran into me at Kensington Market and told me about this clinic.


Entered at Thu Mar 28 10:21:40 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Shel Silverstein

For some reason, recent posts had me humming Dr Hook's "I Got Stoned & I Missed It." (Link). It starts significantly, "I was sitting in my basement …"


Entered at Thu Mar 28 08:57:35 CET 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Thanks for all the interesting posts recently about the latter years Band. A lot of it is quite sad really. It was a shame to see their talents waisted by misguided executives and perhaps their own bad decisions from time to time. I think they really missed Robbie's guidance and business sense (not to mention his song writing).


Entered at Thu Mar 28 07:19:35 CET 2013 from (202.152.202.246)

Posted by:

chipsaktibekasi.com

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tx to sharenya, moga bermanfaat


Entered at Thu Mar 28 03:25:19 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.83)

Posted by:

Bill M

Speaking of earworms, I just had an odd one while doing the dishes. It was Robbie Robertson reciting the following in the speaking voice he used for "Blue Train": "And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water, and he spent a long time watching from a lonely wooden tower, and when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him, he sank beneath your wisdom like a stone." Next Leonard tribute project for sure!!


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Ginger Kay Stephens

Location: MADISON, WISCONSIN
Web: My link

Subject: VanderCook cCollege of Music Smithsonian Folkways music dept.

I moved here from the Chicago area and am interested in Albert Grossman. I don't know much about him. I have a friend who went to Lane Tech: David Kraft. I met him at Citizens Against Nuclear Power. I am not active in it but he has a splinter organization. David has a friend named Tom Susala who plays the bass and he himself can play lead guitar. He does so informally. I have another friend whose sister went to Roosevelt University in Math: Sandra Stern (Magidson). Her brothers live in Boston (older) and Evanston, IL (younger). Perhaps they know Albert Grossman.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 23:36:33 CET 2013 from (86.136.227.188)

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Simon

A belated thanks to Pat for the complete Eat The Document link. Much appreciated. Brown Eyed Girl, sorry to hear about your recent woes and hope you're keeping well and staying positive.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 21:19:24 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Jericho

The best tracks are Atlantic City and Blind Willie McTell. Why? Consider who wrote them.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 21:11:42 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: John Simon sees "Move To Japan" as a highlight? Some captains would have tipped him into the Amazon for that.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 20:25:32 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.47)

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Kevin J

……Take Back: Johnny Cash’s “Hurt” video was the best one ever made…..Freddie Mercury’s “Vacuum” video the worst……..Bastards of Young” is 2nd best of all-time just because it was such a perfect FU to the MTV times that were all about models, cars and leotards.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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David P

Subject: The Battle of Jericho

After walking away from the Sony deal the recording of "Jericho" for the small Pyramid label in 1993 did not go smoothly. In an apparent attempt to recreate some of the magic of their first albums, The Band turned to producer John Simon. But, as Mr. Simon described the sessions in a 1999 interview with Lee Gabites, "...there were a lot of tears with that process too." Conceptual differences arose, particularly with regard to the mixing of the album, as Simon recounted:

"I have some mixes of some of the songs that I prefer to the ones that were released.

...[engineer] Chris Anderson and I went down to Chattanooga, which is where the record company were [sic] and they had their own studio. We did what I would call penultimate mixes. Just short of the final mix. Because we had no reference to what things sounded like. So we left some things for The Band to finish some details. And our intention was to bring it back to Woodstock and give it a listen. Let everybody hear a little bit and then go back and do it right. Finish it up. Because they [the multi-tracks] were all lodged in a computer anyway, it would have been easy to do. So that was our plan, but what happened was...The guys in The Band -- don't ask me why -- decided to fire me in a sense and finish it themselves. They added some elements to some of the songs and they cut a new song and just changed it around. I think it was a mistake."

As Simon further recounted: "I had hopes to try and reconstruct the musicality of the first two Band albums for the 'Jericho' album, but it didn't work out. It had its moments, you know. I thin 'Amazon,' 'Move To Japan' and 'Remedy' are three of the best things on that album."


Entered at Wed Mar 27 19:46:29 CET 2013 from (67.84.77.190)

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Billy C. (Friend0

A man and his ever-nagging wife went on vacation in Jerusalem . While they were there, the wife passed away .

The undertaker told the husband, "You can have her buried here in the Holy Land for $150 or we can have her shipped back home for $5,000 .

The husband thought about it and told the undertaker he would have her shipped back home .

The undertaker asked him, "why would you spend $5,000 to have her shipped home when you could have a beautiful burial here, and it would only cost $150????"

The husband replied, "Long ago, a man died here, was buried here, and three days later, rose from the dead . I just can’t take that chance!"


Entered at Wed Mar 27 19:34:34 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.47)

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Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Great song ...... and best rock music video ever made..

For Todd and anyone else out there that enjoyed the great band The Replacements, I saw “Colour Me Obsessed” last night and just loved it. A wonderfully quirky look back at the band’s career. One of those docs that could easily have gone sideways with no music and all talking heads but it really works well. Robert Christgau, Steve Albini, Colin Meloy ( Decemberists ) and others all participate……..Highly Recommended…………………Funny, we all remember our first “favorite band”…. most don’t remember or talk about their last “favorite band”…….I guess we all grow out of that sort of thing but mine was definitely The Replacements.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 19:23:27 CET 2013 from (170.61.18.228)

Posted by:

Dave T.

Location: ( pulled into ) Nazareth, Pa.

Subject: Richard

Next week, Richard would have had 70 years on the planet. Will listen to all of his music all over again, raise a glass of Grand Marnier and toast/quote him "spend it all".


Entered at Wed Mar 27 19:21:32 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

Actually, come to think of it, Largo would have been a great Band album.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 19:16:40 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I'd just like to have been a fly on the wall when they told Levon to cover "1999" by Prince. Mind you, it's a way better song intrinsically than Free Your Mind.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 18:51:20 CET 2013 from (63.81.26.185)

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the ghost of tour ´94

The true, sad and sometimes very funny story about the Sony Deal and what happened after they signed it (sort of...) is one for the history books...


Entered at Wed Mar 27 18:42:04 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

Subject: June Tabor

I don't know her work well. Funnily enough, she is one I have noted "to investigate further" as this English (rather than British, Irish or Scottish) folk revival among young musicians is fast gaining momentum, and Tabor is someone like Norma Waterson that they look up to.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 18:38:56 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

Subject: Hyman, Bazilian, Chertoff

Their big breakthrough was "She's So Unusual" by Cyndi Lauper. Produced by Chertoff. All arrangements by Cyndi Lauper, Rick Chertoff, Rob Hyman, Eric Bazilian. Hyman does guitars, bass, sax and vocals. Hyman does keyboards and vocals.

Rob Hyman co-wrote Time After Time with Cyndi Lauper. If I had to name the ten greatest songs of the 80s, it would be right up near the top.

Another Band link of that era runs to Jules Shear who wrote All Through The Night on the album, and co-wrote I'll Kiss You.

And Cyndi Lauper, for me turns in the best track on Largo, White Man's Melody, and on album that great, that's high praise indeed.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 17:37:03 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

Chertoff was a heavy hitter at the time, obviously in a largely pop direction. But his work with Joan Osbourne and Largo is pretty darn good and displays some real open ears.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 16:59:49 CET 2013 from (63.142.158.9)

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JQ

Subject: Fay Hield and June Tabor

PV - How well does June Tabor stack up with the English Folk Music crowd? I'm a mad fan of hers. Most recently I've been listening to her with the Oyster Band 2011 and really enjoying her late 80's album with that same line up -


Entered at Wed Mar 27 15:42:53 CET 2013 from (67.85.103.137)

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Jersey Girl

Web: My link

Subject: Garth v. the landlord

Link above is to today's New York Times, first section. No news, really; apparently the paper just woke up.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 15:13:32 CET 2013 from (69.156.31.214)

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brown eyed girl

CANADIAN PREMIERE MOVIE REVIEW OF AIN'T IN IT FOR MY HEALTH: A FILM
ABOUT LEVON HELM FROM CANADIAN MUSIC WEEK

T-Mak World has extensive coverage of Canadian Music Week here

Today we review Ain't In It For My Health: A Film About Levon Helm . The description on the film's CMW page reads:

"Filmed during the final years of his life, Ain’t In It For My Health sees Levon Helm forced to confront the dark times that have haunted him since The Band’s demise: throat cancer, bankruptcy, drug addiction and the tragic loss of band mates Richard Manuel and Rick Danko.

The first thing you will learn after watching this movie is that Levon Helm seemingly had a joint in his hand at all times. The documentary was made in 2010, almost prophetically, 2 years before Helm passed away at the age of 71. The movie recounts how Helm started his musical career as the only American boy in The Band who started off in 1964. Pioneers in Rock (or Country, or Folk) music, Helm was the drummer and part singer of the band.

The movie is a fairly linear recap of Helm's life but not in an extensive biopic form. Certain time-points are examined such as Woodstock, The Band's addictions to booze and drugs, Helm's Grammy for lifetime achievement, his bankruptcy and his cancer. Candid interviews with Helm reveal that the legendary musician whose mark in modern music is epic, is now a fairly subdued senior who likes his pot and loves his music. Most of the movie is focused on Helm at the time of filming and the 60's,70's and 80's are represented but not as much as I would have liked.

As expected in these types of rockumentaries, the film is ripe with archival footage, home movies, and original family photos that have not been shown to the public till now. Helm's mortality is closely examined with intimate visits to doctors inspecting his vocal chords which have been impacted by throat cancer. In fact watching this movie gives a quite abrupt reminder that health is the only thing that matters at the end of the day. I really wonder if Helm could do it all over again would his post-mortem documentary still be called "Ain't In It For My Health".

Verdict: 4 out of 5 - A fascinating documentary about Levon Helm filmed a couple of years before his death. The film portrays a man whose love of music supersedes fame, wealth and even health. What should be a celebration of his life, really ends up being a somewhat sobering view of a dying rock star.

Directors: Jacob Hatley
Running Time: 83 Minutes

Review by Terry Makedon
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Entered at Wed Mar 27 14:54:25 CET 2013 from (69.156.31.214)

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brown eyed girl

Serenity...Thanks for the info. I was checking online but couldn't find a reason why Louuu has been cancelling shows. I hope he's not dealing with health issues like Morrissey from the Smiths.

Canadian Music Week Film Fest Review: Ain’t In It For My Health: A Film About Levon Helm

Published on March 18th, 2013 in: Film Festivals, Movie Reviews, Movies, Music, Reviews
By Less Lee Moore

"If you are a fan of The Band, then you already know that drugs and money are a bad combination. Ain’t In It For My Health doesn’t dwell on the troubled legacy of the group, but it doesn’t shy away from it, either. However, this is a film about survival, and the exceptional life of Levon Helm, drummer, singer, songwriter? , father, friend, and legend.

Filmmaker Jacob Hatley shot the footage for Ain’t In It For My Health throughout 2007 and 2008. It encompasses Helm’s 2008 Grammy nomination for Dirt Farmer, the recording of Electric Dirt, his contributions to The Lost Notebooks of Hank Williams, and the birth of his grandchild and namesake, Lavon. (Helm was christened as Lavon, but became known as Levon when no one in Ronnie Hawkins’ band could correctly pronounce his name.)

Hatley and DP Emily Topper (she recently worked on After Tiller) utilize an unpolished and intimate style in the film, an accurate reflection of the man himself. As a result, they capture plenty of great moments: the contrast between the quiet sterility of a lonely tour bus and a crowd chanting “Levon! Levon!” in the hopes of getting an encore; (no encore) various trips to the doctor and invasive medical tests; the subtle omnipresence of Helm’s two dogs in his house and home studio; and several instances of Helm holding his friends and bandmates in thrall to his skills as a storyteller.

One can see why Robbie Robertson wanted to tap into that particular vein when it came to Helm and how their falling out still cuts so deeply. Helm’s stories about Woodstock, life on the road, and growing up in Turkey Scratch, Arkansas keep everyone riveted but still smiling. He’s definitely got a way with words. Of Richard Manuel he says: “He didn’t even have a sleeve, much less something up it.”

Those old wounds still hurt and Helm is obviously grappling with Manuel’s suicide, Rick Danko’s death, and the twisted history of The Band. There’s a young man’s spirit in an old man’s body and the contrast is both inspiring and saddening. It’s not just limited to Helm, either. The footage of Danko’s widow in a Saugerties, NY retirement complex is particularly sobering.

Ain’t In It For My Health sheds light not only on Helm’s legacy, but also the reality of existence for professional musicians. Not the rich and famous ones, but the ones whose legendary status comes from talent and the relentless urge to make music. Even when his throat troubles render Helm literally speechless, he’s still working, figuring out song lyrics with his producer Larry Campbell; (doesn't contribute and walks out of the room) and helping his band learn vocal parts because he can’t perform them himself and the show must go on.

Helm started singing and making music as a child, encouraged and taught by his parents, who were farmers. The Hawks, Bob Dylan, and The Band took him away from that life, but his nostalgia for it is obvious when he drives a tractor at a local farm and talks about the smell of the earth. (He asks if anyone wants to trade his turkey sandwich for a ham sandwich). Still, medical bills from his late ’90s battle with throat cancer, publishing royalty disputes, and bankruptcy troubles mean Helm has to keep on working, embarking on a five-nights-a-week, five-week tour so he doesn’t lose his house (again).

Yet for Helm, the music is never a chore; it’s a calling and a gift. And Helm’s gifts were many. The title of the film is obvious before it’s even explained. Helm would pass away from cancer two years after this film first screened at SXSW and the L.A. Film Festival and watching it, one can see already the toll of everything he’d been through on his body.

Ain’t In It For My Health is required viewing for fans of The Band and everyone else who gives a damn about music even when they know it will probably be their undoing in the end."

NOTE: Larry Campbell was listed as “Larry Williams” when this article was first published. We apologize for the error.


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Atlantic City

Link to old Band demos article. Extract:

Barney Hoskyns says in the first edition of Across The Great Divide that they were 'prodded into' the Sony deal by Columbia's Rick Chertoff, but had departed the label by late 1991. In 1989 Chertoff became Senior Vice President of A&R at Columbia and signed The Band. Rick Danko recalls working with Rick Chertoff and him mentioning Prince's 1999 as a possible cover. In the interview below he mentions Paul Simon covers. Chertoff was involved with Jericho as well as the later Largo project with Garth and Levon. He worked with Hyman and Bazilian in The Hooters. He is credited as producer of Atlantic City on Jericho and Hyman and Bazilian of The Hooters play on it.

So it was presumably Chertoff who was the "young CBS /Sony executive" in this tale from Sid Griffin of The Long Ryders.

SID GRIFFIN:

In the late spring of 1990, a young CBS/Sony executive called me at my Los Angeles home and asked me, seriously and innocently, if I had any songs for The Band, it seems the Levon Helm/Rick Danko/Garth Hudson triumvirate, newly-signed, was looking for material.

I didn't hang up but I thought about it: at first I reasoned it was a prank. Yet it was on the level. This hip young fellow at CBS (every label has one) got the idea that The Band might hook up to a "younger demographic" (his words, not mine) if they had some tunes by younger writers. Myself, Paul Westerberg and Los Lobos (David Hidalgo and Louis Perez) were mentioned as three logical choices. OK, two logical choices and me.

At that time, I was yet another musician who had clearly used eight or nine of his alloted minutes in the limelight. I put together a sample tape of four tunes and sent it to the record company, who promptly rejected it. A different executive called and said, in perfect Californianese: "Hey, I heard some good things, heard some good things ... Next time, let's focus in on who we are writing for." As if I, of all people, didn't know The Band's rapsheet.

One got the feeling there was a certain standard to be met here, a better-not-send-'em-the Long Ryder-rejects vibe to it. So I tried again. Now, if you had told me when I was growing up in Kentucky, falling asleep to the sound of distant trains rolling down the L&N tracks towards Nashville while the music of the sternwheeler Belle of Louisville's calliope played Sousa as it pushed itself upriver, that one day I would be requested to submit songs to The Band, I would've gotten the shakes so bad I could not have stood, much less walked.

How DO you write for The Band? Logic would dictate that you do as others have done. Robbie Robertson is the key. His subject matter expanded far past the superficial aspects of romance, to a more adult take on same, but his best-played card was his portrayal of rural American life. And that's how I found myself writing reveries about rivers, gospel-based paeans to plain-spoken townsfolk, second-line New Orleans shuffles about changing values in changing times, and roadhouse boogies based on the streamlined curves of a 1954 Chevrolet flashing down US 42. The lyrics and music aimed to reflect America's sense of movement, its optimism for better days, its promise of fresh fields to plough beyond the horizon, and its melting pot of ideas, people and musics.

So what happened to this second batch of songs submitted?

Nothing. They were not deemed suitable either. I now know why. It is one thing to ape a style or even to enthusiastically imitate your heroes. But what the public responds to, on the deepest level, is artists being true to themselves and not operating in a given manner because circumstances dictated. I wrote some fine imitation Band material. Got the demos to prove it. What I forgot was how to be myself. Me. The guy they called in the first place."


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Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Fay Hield & The Hurricane Party

Link to a review of Fay Hield & The Hurricane Party, who I saw last night. This is the cream of English folk, and both albums, Looking Glass and Orfeo, have been on non-stop rotation for weeks. Unmissable if they're your way.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 05:18:01 CET 2013 from (24.252.146.122)

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Calvin

Just got back from seeing Alejandro Escoveda-the guy is simply amazing-see him if you get a chance. And if you happen to seem him a night Cheetah Crome, lead guitarist from the Deadboys, shows up and the two of them tear into a number of Stooges covers. More the better.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 03:11:04 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.86)

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Bill M

Pat B: Interesting. I can see why a decent mandolin player and an excellent keyboard player would get huffy if other guys were hired to play their instruments. It's a wonder they didn't insist on erasing the ringers' tracks and redoing themselves though.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 01:10:35 CET 2013 from (68.196.243.126)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Dionne Warwick.

Link above.

Like many others, Dionne got worked over by her "fiscal management". Now she is getting worked over by the IRS. The IRS admits to losing years worth of her records. So, they took 1 million to 10.2 million.


Entered at Wed Mar 27 00:37:31 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

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Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: R&R HOF

Speaking of John Fogerty, Angie? He's performing this year. I don't believe I can see it on my Cable, but I'm sure going to try. Looks like a good show. Especially with another Canadian being inducted. RUSH with Geddy Lee will be inducted by Dave Grohl. We surely do have good talent here...To see Harry Belafonte again is super. I am a huge fan of his. I have his music, and it never grows old. Just like THE BAND'S music...

CYA soon xoxoxo


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Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Lou Reed & ANGIE

Link: For you, BEG, as I know how much you are a fan of his..AND thanx for the sweet mention. DAVID and mau are proud to be here, and be a friend to all..

CYA soon xoxoxo


Entered at Tue Mar 26 23:49:04 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

A couple other nuggets. The Hooters' And We Danced has a similar mandolin opening courtesy Bazilian, and the Hooters were signed to Columbia which was bought by SONY in 1988. Bazilian and Hyman also contributed mightily to the careers of Cyndi Lauper and Joan Osbourne.


Entered at Tue Mar 26 23:26:10 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

Although 8 of the 12 tunes on Jericho are covers, the one that got the most play was Atlantic City. It also appears that that song had the least amount of music making from the group. Eric Bazilian is credited with the mandolin and Rob Hyman for the "keyboards." You might recognize them as the brains behind the mid-80's Philly band, The Hooters. They also produced Largo.

On AC, Garth plays a lot of accordian but the organ bed through the whole song doesn't sound a bit like him, except for one flourish and the playout theme at the end. I'm guessing Hyman played and programmed the bed. Neither the drums nor the bass sound like a typical Band rhythm section. Very straight. Maybe just Randy with a keyboard bass (just a guess). The vocals are obviously the Band from that period.

So I wonder. Were proven hitmakers Bazilian and Hyman hired as part of SONY's attempt to get the boys to do some covers and possibly produce? They all did meet during Roger Waters' live The Wall in Berlin, while later Levon and Garth contributed to Largo.


Entered at Tue Mar 26 22:01:29 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

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Kevin J

Web: My link

LINKED: Chuck Berry and Robbie Robertson......a beautiful little get-together that is a peak into genius.


Entered at Tue Mar 26 21:36:50 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

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David P

Subject: C'est la vie said Chuck Berry

It would seem that The Band's experience with Sony at that time soured them on signing another major label deal. As far as dealing with Geffen, they only had to look at what happened to their friend Neil Young a few years before when Geffen sued him for breaching his contract by producing a couple of "unrepresentative" albums. It sounds as if the last thing The Band, especially Levon, wanted at that juncture was another group of big label executives telling them what to record. As Pat noted, the possibility of all three collaborating at greater length again with Robbie, although intriguing, was never to be. We can only hope that Robbie & Garth will make some music together again in the near future.


Entered at Tue Mar 26 19:45:10 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

The "contempt" stopped neither Rick nor Garth from appearing on Storyville, with Garth's contributions being extensive. Had they reconvened, Storyville would have been a superb Band album.


Entered at Tue Mar 26 18:51:43 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: news from the "if only it were true" department ... / Smoke from Big Pink

David P: Thanks for reminder / link. Note Rick's view - "We have done some fine outtakes that I am sure will break the surface eventually. Time is on our side."

Sid Griffin's book is still careening between insightful and brainless. One thing I really appreciate is the note that Richard was in charge of the cooking. Like, how do you iron Kraft Dinner, eh?


Entered at Tue Mar 26 18:21:44 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

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David P

Web: My link

Subject: Geffen Offer

I was re-reading an article from the Dec. 1993 issue of "Musician" magazine, "Rick Danko on The Band -- New Albums, old Wounds", written by Bill Flanagan (see link). Coinciding with the release of "Jericho", it contained an update of activity involving Rick and The Band. In additon to mentioning the aborted half-million dollar Sony deal, Mr. Flanagan revealed "that a couple of years ago Geffen Records, Robertson's current label, floated the possibility of The Band signing to Geffen and doing an album and a tour with Robertson." Needless to say, Levon and the others declined. I'm guessing that this was around the time that Robbie released "Storyville" in 1991. One wonders, even if it was a long shot, if this marked the last glimmer of hope of Robbie, Levon, Rick and Garth ever performing together again. As we know, a month after this article's publication, The Band was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, with Levon conspicuously absent.


Entered at Tue Mar 26 17:34:35 CET 2013 from (205.188.117.14)

Posted by:

Anthony

Location: Band Country

Subject: Hard Cover

My oldest son, not even twenty years old, is fairly obsessed with The Band these days. He sent me this video of a close to home Band cover. I'm curious what other Die Hard Band lovers think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw8ev1yfwQc&list=UUVCGj8zdAjGHv9KTFLs6ybQ


Entered at Tue Mar 26 17:17:40 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

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Bill M

Subject: dealing with earworms

Front-page news today was that earworms can be cured by reading. I saw no need to go beyond the headline for details. Dum dee dum dee dum.

David P: Did you find your Springfield box set? Disc 2 starts off with "Down Down Down" from '66, which is the basis of what we know as "Broken Arrow" with a different set of lyrics. I guess Neil's wander in the wilderness did him good, because the finished product, BA, is pretty damn impressive.


Entered at Tue Mar 26 14:19:11 CET 2013 from (69.156.28.85)

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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Legendary rocker Lou Reed is among the Jewish celebrities scheduled to participate in this year’s Downtown Seder.

Downtown Seder, in its 12th year, is a New York City experience bringing a modern, creative twist to a traditional Passover seder. The event features a number of musicians, comedians, political figures and other performers who sing, dance, recite poetry or discuss a subject relevant to the Jewish holiday.

Instead of the traditional Four Questions asked at the seder, the participants ask questions and encourage discussion on contemporary issues such as human slavery, gun control and climate change.

Joining Reed on Tuesday, March 19, six days before the actual start of Passover, will be his wife, performance artist Laurie Anderson, comedian Judy Gold, Israeli musician David Broza, composer Frank London, comedian Joel Chasnoff and others." — ynetnews.com

From Judaism 101...Pesach: Passover Level: Basic Significance: Remembers the Exodus from Egypt
Observances: Avoiding all leavened grain products and related foods; Family or communal retelling of the Exodus story
Length: 8 days (Some: 7 days)
And this day shall become a memorial for you, and you shall observe it as a festival for the L-RD, for your generations, as an eternal decree shall you observe it. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, but on the first day you shall remove the leaven from your homes ... you shall guard the unleavened bread, because on this very day I will take you out of the land of Egypt; you shall observe this day for your generations as an eternal decree. - Exodus 12:14-17

Pesach, known in English as Passover, is one of the most commonly observed Jewish holidays, even by otherwise non-observant Jews. According to the 2000-01 National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS), 67% of Jews routinely hold or attend a Pesach seder, while only 46% belong to a synagogue.


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brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Domenic TROIANO Scholarship Video with photos and some music.

"first Mrs TROIANO [mother] then ROY KENNER with Frank Troiano [brother]the late BERTOL HERMISTON played with Robbie Lane.Danny [from round sound studio]Roy Kenner, Whitey Glan,Bernie LaBarge, Shawne Jackson-Troiano DAVID CLAYTON-THOMAS . Roy kenner Eric Mercury., Steve Ambrose. MICHEAL FONFARA ,Jordan John . JOHN DONABIE Doug Riley .David Clayton Thomas,LOU ,John Finley. CAL DODD Jay Jackson HAYDAIN NEALE. Micheal Burgress.MARK DAILY ,GEORGE OLLIVER BILL KING."

My older brother had an 8-track of Dom and the James Gang. I only saw him once at The Ronnie Hawkins' Tribute at Massey Hall. I will never forget....the heavenly and absolute beautiful licks he played to "A Change Is Gonna Come".


Entered at Tue Mar 26 13:30:09 CET 2013 from (69.156.28.85)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

dlew919...Noooooo apologies necessary. I will apologize for not communicating well. All I meant was that you referred to me by the same name. I was actually smiling.
dlew919 and Serenity......Hands down.....are the sweetest and most thoughtful people on this board. :-DDDD

QUAINTNESS OF THE RECENT PAST NO. 11

"I'm so glad this exists: a “lost" slice of documentary footage by a French filmmaker, 11 minutes long, of people arriving at, and then being at, the 2nd Isle of Wight Festival of Music, in 1969: the year the performers included The Who, Richie Havens, The Band and Bob Dylan. There's hardly a moment of The Who or Dylan, but that's not the point. As so often with documents of the past, it's the footage of ordinary life that fascinates: plus, in this case, the way it catches that moment when there was, or appeared to be, a cultural gulf between “straights" and “underground" people."

Although I bought the ETD video from eBay at one time....I didn't remember Robbie playing some mighty fine bluezzzz.....


Entered at Tue Mar 26 07:45:45 CET 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

Dlew919

Subject: My apologies Angelina

I fell into the australian trap of shortening everything. (Which I rarely do). If you can't shorten it, add an 'o'. So, Peter becomes Pete. David becomes Dave. Steven becomes steve. John becomes johnno. Dave can become Dave-o. :)


Entered at Tue Mar 26 00:57:57 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Michael Jackson,etc...

Link: It doesn't seem like 30 years since MOON WALK. I miss Michael Jackson...

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ANTHONY: Welcome!! You have good taste in being here. Post often...

BEG: Nice attitude you have. As for John Fogerty? Can't believe he's 66.. I was just playing CCR music yesterday. He was on a talk show [Dave's, I think?], with his C/M band and a nice plaid shirt too..I remember when CCR were inducted into the R&R HOF. John told ROBBIE he wouldn't allow them to play. ROBBIE [when he was in charge],was very upset about it, but John had the right to stop them. I remember how mad people were. including mau, as I am a huge fan of theirs... Thanx too for the radio broadcast, and all your great links. We couldn't be without you here for sure.. Take care. xoxo

JOHN D: Congrats on being inducted into the Broadcasting HOF. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy..

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Mon Mar 25 23:21:10 CET 2013 from (110.76.146.34)

Posted by:

BhieNEka

Location: Canada
Web: My link

Subject: Imports

I see that Dierks Bentley has had a prodigious number of country hits. I admit I'd never heard of him at all (such is country in the UK) until "Love for Levon" and I think he acquits himself so well on Rockin' Chair and Chest Fever that I'll explore his catalogue further. The backing vocals on Chest Fever really make it work … as does, obviously, the organ.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 22:15:17 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Pat B: Thank you. I had not seen that before……..Excellent ……..and Jon – thanks for that full version of the Rick Danko 1978 showcase……………………Funny, Festival Express was on TV last night……..flipped over just when the awful Sha na na were on stage………quickly though things shifted from the ridiculous to great when the Band and Janis Joplin took the stage. God, she was something else.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 21:22:59 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Dave H: You're right -- I just double-checked "Shakey" and, although "Broken Arrow" was written after Mr. Young left Springfield, he produced the recording without Mr. Nitzsche after he re-joined the group.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 21:15:12 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Broken Arrow

I remember reading in Jimmy McDonough's "Shakey" bio that the song "Broken Arrow" itself was recorded in separate sections that were crossfaded together. Mr. Young had already left the group when he recorded with Mr. Nitzsche. The brief snippet of "Mr. Soul" featuring Dewey Martin, used at the beginning, was taken from another tape recording. I have a copy of the Buffalo Springfield box set and will check the liner notes.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 21:00:14 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dave H: Thanks. If Hal Blaine's on the jazzy part, having him on the whole "Broken Arrow" would account for the great and varied drumming throughout.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 20:19:18 CET 2013 from (136.167.102.153)

Posted by:

Dave H

David P: I think you're thinking of Expecting to Fly, which was indeed recorded by NY & Jack Nitzsche using studio musicians during a period when NY had left the group. But NY was back in the band by the time of Broken Arrow, and it was recorded with the rest of the Springfield except for the ballpark organ (played by Don Randi) and the ending jazzy section, performed by Randi (piano), Harvey Newmark (bass), Hal Blaine (drums), and Jim Horn (clarinet), according to the Buffalo Springfield box set liner notes.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 19:41:58 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

David P: Could be. I wonder who Nietzsche would have brought in? Dewey was involved at some point, if only in his capacity as a stronger singer than anyone other than, perhaps, Stills - for the "Mr Soul" start to the song. Would have been an odd experience for him, singing over somebody else's drum track.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 19:17:54 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Broken Arrow

Bill M: I believe there's some question as to whether Dewey Martin played drums on "Broken Arrow". As I recall, when Mr. Young recorded the song with Jack Nitzsche, no other members of the Buffalo Springfield were present, but Richie Furay later overdubbed his vocals.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 18:33:43 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Crucial viewing in case you have missed this. An excellent copy.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 17:50:16 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Anthony

Welcome to the Guest Book. It gets pretty interesting around here. Enjoy!


Entered at Mon Mar 25 17:17:01 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

BEG: Thanks for posting John D's interview with Bobbi Lee Justice. I hadn't even heard of them until the reformed version played my wife's highschool reunion maybe five years ago, but they really do go back that far.

Pat B: In digging around on YouTube for Mynah Birds stuff, I found this, a 1965 record by the Merryweather group, the only one they released before moving to California in '68. Only Ed Roth and Neil 'Merryweather' Lillie from the '65 lineup were still around to make the trek south. I know you have their second LP, "Word of Mouth"; if you don't have their first, also on Capitol, you might find a couple of the follow-on links to a few of the cuts to be of interest.

I've been listening of late to the four-discs of the Buffalo Springfield box set that a friend burned me maybe 10 years ago. He didn't photocopy the notes, so I have to assume that that's Dewey Martin drumming through out. Jeez he was good. The Band fan might be especially interested in the drumming on "Broken Arrow", after the very long drum roll that turns into an electronic wobble - very martial and funereal like Levon's on TNTDODD.

Also, I finally picked up Sid Griffin's "Million Dollar Bash", which is enjoyable and informative in many ways thus far. I'm still near the start, though flipped to some of the song-by-song discussions and was disappointed in the 'analysis'. No mention of the opening lines of "Lo And Behold", no mention or discussion of the significance (whether real or potential) of the odd lyrics to the first version of "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere". And captioning Jerry Penfound, whose existence and identity has never been a secret, as simply 'Another'?

Peter V: I noticed your name in lights in the book. Too bad he decided to use you simply as his foil on the dating of the Carly session. Even if he has seen a photocopy for a Sept '66 session listing with Levon on drums, I really have to wonder how that could possibly be authentic.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 16:48:45 CET 2013 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC
Web: My link

Rick Danko performing "This Wheel's on Fire" and a good chunk of material from his then-current solo album, circa 1978. Great footage!


Entered at Mon Mar 25 15:08:05 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Dierks Bentley

Several years ago Dierks Bentley recorded a fine bluegrass cover version of Dylan's "Senor (Tales of Yankee Power)" backed by the Punch Brothers, featuring Chris Thile on mandolin & harmony vocals. It was included on Mr. Bentley's 2010 album "Up on a Ridge". He later contributed live version with the Punch Brothers, recorded at the Ryman in Nashville, on the 2012 Amnesty International compilation "Chimes of Freedom: The Songs of Bob Dylan".


Entered at Mon Mar 25 14:27:43 CET 2013 from (65.95.182.212)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Fogerty finally feeling Fortunate (love his shirt in photo)
Since he found his way out of the fog of bitterness and anger, John Fogerty is able to embrace his famous past.
It all broke his spirit, the 66-year-old musician said in a recent phone interview with the Star.

“The effect on me was devastating. I felt betrayed by the people I trusted most. They ran off with my creation. I was trapped. I had such great pride in what I had done, but I was not going to get up there on exhibit as a shadow of my former self. I just withdrew.”

We may never know just how dark Fogerty's darkest days were, though he said he has started to work — “vaguely and slowly” — on a memoir that may explain why he disappeared almost completely after Creedence split 40 years ago, and took more than 20 years to get back into the game.

Fogerty, one of the most admired singers and writers in American popular music and an inductee into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, is performing Saturday night at the BlackCreek Summer Music Festival on a double bill with the Levon Helm Band.

He said he has finally found a way out of years of despair, self-doubt and anger, and, in the past few years, has learned how to embrace his past, including those timeless Creedence gems — “Proud Mary,” “Have You Ever Seen the Rain,” “Hey Tonight,” “Fortunate Son,” “Bad Moon Rising,” “Up Around The Bend,” “Down on the Corner,” “(Lookin') Out My Back Door,” among others.

“For years I was praying for a way out,” Fogerty said. “I remember thinking how pathetic it was that I would spend the rest of my days a bitter wreck after just a couple of years of fame, like all those sad and angry rock 'n' roll guys who got ripped off in the 1950s.

“And then I met JULIE, the woman who would become my wife, and fell in love in 1987. Slowly the bitterness left me. It was a process ... it didn't happen overnight, and I'm sure she wondered what she'd got herself into.”


Entered at Mon Mar 25 14:05:54 CET 2013 from (65.95.182.212)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Back to the music channel.
"This is an interview done by John Donabie on NewsTalk 1010 CFRB radio in Toronto with Bobbi Lee Justice from Bobbi Lee and The Scepters." JD gives good voice.

"This is about the song "Mynah Bird."

Rick James & Neil Young's band recorded it, but this is an earlier version of the song.

Bobbi Lee and The Scepters were the original Mynah Birds and the first to record The Mynah Bird Hop as a studio demo for Colin Kerr and his brother who wrote the song.

The recording has no " B " side as they could not come to an agreement with Kerr as to what it would be...he wanted another song with Rajah and they wanted to record a cover of " Mr. Pitiful ", thus the " b " side remained blank and was used as a demo to shop to major labels etc.

There were only a few hundred made and Bobbi Lee Justice gave his copy to Scott Young (a reporter and fan at the time) to give to his son Neil Young, who along with Rick James, had been filling in for Bobbi Lee and The Scepters every third weekend at Mynah Bird Club while they played gigs outside the Village.

Rick asked Bobbi Lee and The Scepters they were going to change their name as Colin requested and do a master recording of the song and they declined, so they ended up striking a deal with Colin Kerr/Motown and eventually recorded it as The Mynah Birds."

Pat B... :-D

dlew919...The Aussie Band fan (rarely posted here) also sent along with Redgum....an interactive CD of Dylan and cassettes (I think I first started posting in 2000 or so?) of Dylan and The Hawks in Aussieland. Btw, only imagezulu calls me Ange.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 11:59:15 CET 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: thanks ange

Love redgum. :)


Entered at Mon Mar 25 05:29:40 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

BEG, I certainly hope for the best for you.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 04:48:52 CET 2013 from (205.188.117.14)

Posted by:

Anthony

Location: Figuratively: Band Country / Literally: Queens

Subject: Band Love

Love for The Band is a birthright in my family. I was born into it, now my kids are. I'm new to this website in general, so I'm just paying my respects here on this Guestbook.


Entered at Mon Mar 25 02:49:24 CET 2013 from (64.231.177.37)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DLEW919!!!!!

The very first person I "met" on this site was from Melbourne. He sent music from this group.

Nomadic Mike, Peter, Joan, Serenity.... As I said before, what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger. I have to admit that I don't mind that song.
After I volunteered today, I had another acupuncture treatment as I don't sleep well.
As George Harrison said, "All things Must Pass".
I'm thankful for the healing powers of music and smiles from strangers.
Heartfelt thanks for your empathy.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 23:26:00 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dierks Bentley

Just checked amazon.co.uk … only available in the UK as MP3 downloads or as Australian imports. Odd!


Entered at Sun Mar 24 21:50:39 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Mavericks

No, but i saw it and remembered your recommending them which us why I went to see them some years back. I'll pick up a copy tomorrow if I'm near a recored store … I'm off to Rye, where Henry James spent his days.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 21:23:17 CET 2013 from (72.154.13.42)

Posted by:

BWNWITenn

Peter, have you heard the new Mavericks album? (They're back together.) Awesome.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 21:15:17 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ignorance

I see that Dierks Bentley has had a prodigious number of country hits. I admit I'd never heard of him at all (such is country in the UK) until "Love for Levon" and I think he acquits himself so well on Rockin' Chair and Chest Fever that I'll explore his catalogue further. The backing vocals on Chest Fever really make it work … as does, obviously, the organ.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 21:02:48 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The most common request I get on my video website is "Where can I download (free) copies of this?" YouTube are pirates of the first order. Even if you are registered for "take down" it takes them weeks to implement it. I know I sometimes link to it, but if it were made illegal, or restricted to "home videos" of people falling into fish ponds, which is what it purported to be while ripping everyone off, I'd give a hearty cheer.

There's a whole generation who don't see that musicians, actors, writers, lighting people, sound people and everyone else earning a living from "content" like to eat as much as they like to eat.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 21:00:13 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Angie & David...

Amgie, be careful. We are worried here. I just read your post, and feel ill. This shouldn't happen to nice people like you, as well as others who don't deserve it...Please keep in touch and to how you're doing?

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DAVID: [from FB]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY , DAVID, and many, many more..

It’s birthday time again I see; Another year's gone by.

We’re older than we used to be; The thought could make me cry.

For getting older is not such fun, When there’s hurting in your back,

And it’s agony if you have to run,And a pleasure to lie in the sack.

Yes getting older is quite a bore,But to not get old is worse.

So "Happy Birthday!" let’s shout once more, And to heck with our ride in the hearse!

Hooray for getting older! Happy Birthday and many more.

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Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxox


Entered at Sun Mar 24 20:50:29 CET 2013 from (72.154.13.42)

Posted by:

BWNWITenn

Fortunately, I suppose, the digital era has rendered many concerns about the importation of physical copies of much less significance. Still, in my business we do make a minimal amount of income whenever foreign CDs are imported into the US, and as a result of this decision that income will likely simply vanish into thin air. And the concept of foreign CDs with additional tracks (however much that's done anymore) and staggered global release dates for films may come to an end (at least by US companies). What seems more likely is that the decision will lead to a further increase in the current trend of licensing copyrighted material to consumers rather than selling it.

What clearly seems to be the correct reading of the US Copyright Act is that a copyright owner can bar importation of goods, but once they've been imported with permission, then they can be freely resold. That benefits everyone's interest, it prevents the possibility of used bookstores having to track the place of manufacture but still allows global segmentation.

Unfortunately, there's a pretty vocal segment of malcontents who oppose any perceived increase in copyright protection, even arguing against the concept of copyright altogether, by cloaking their core argument of "I want to take other people's stuff without having to pay for it" in poorly supported pseudo-scholarly nonsense. Unfortunately, their blathering does have some level of public impact, as witnessed in the ridiculous opposition to the Stop Online Piracy Act last year. The US Register of Copyrights has just stated that she thinks a new Copyright Act should be passed to address the issues of the digital era. Assuming it would again take 20 years to get a new act enacted, that may be the case, but I am concerned about what would result if that would be attempted in today's climate. Somehow, the general population seems to view the tech industry as good-guy hippie entrepreneurs and the so-called "content" industry as greedy evil wealthy corporations ripping off artists, despite the fact that the tech industry is immensely more wealthly and powerful than any of the content industries have ever been. Strange times.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 19:03:23 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: imports

Thanks Tenn. Going back to my earlier point. Publishers in the educational field produce low-cost editions as a general charitable move. They will be reluctant if imports start turning up. But it also hampers straight commercial decisions. Years ago before the Berlin Wall fell, one of my books was in a cheap edition for Eastern Europe because there was no chance of selling it otherwise, and the publisher wanted to gain a market there, and was prepared to take a loss to gain share. There are all sorts of reasons why you might want to license something but not want it imported back into your home market, or into other markets. A South American country wanted an edition of one of my books. In it was a text about an election. It was to teach stuff like ‘both of them’ ‘all of them’ ‘some of them.’ It wasn’t “about” elections. Because it was written in 1978 we had Labour winning. The South American country wanted a special schools edition, but wanted the result switched with ‘Conservative’ winning. We refused to do that on principle, but we did change the text to a football match report instead of an election. It worked just as well at teaching the language. We wouldn’t have wanted that edition to turn up elsewhere and confuse teachers. And we were a bit ashamed of not insisting it stay as it was, I think.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 18:39:24 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: BEG

Angelina, please be very careful. Your situstion is among many reasons I want strict gunlaws'

The crime rate has risen in NYC because of iPhones being stolen in the subways. The Mayor and the Police have asked Apple for a way to lock down and make useless a stolen iPhone in the hopes that it would render a stolen phone useless


Entered at Sun Mar 24 17:50:31 CET 2013 from (72.154.13.42)

Posted by:

BWNWITenn

Flipping through the GB this morning. Peter, as I'm sure David knows, that Supreme Court ruling was in large part an application of an earlier ruling of theirs with a similar but much less common fact pattern (goods were manufactured in the US, exported by the copyright owner, then imported back into the US without permission by an overseas purchaser) to a pattern with much more real-world significance (goods manufactured overseas and then imported to the US without permission by a purchaser). Tuesday's decision arguably was the correct one based on the earlier precedent, although the Court had to engage in some serious linguistic gymnastics to get there (I, like the dissenting justices, struggle to understand why Congress would describe foreign-made infringing copies as copies "which would have constituted an infringement if this title had been applicable" but, rather than simply adding the word "not" to the same language, would go on to describe foreign-made non-infringing copies as copies "lawfully made under this title"). As a number of commentators have pointed out, what seems to be the correct reading of the Copyright Act, based on its plain language, the history and intent of its drafters, and general market logic, is that a purchaser's right to resell a copy is not the same thing as a right to import that copy - "import" does not mean the same thing as "sell." Unfortunately, that ruling was largely precluded as a result of the earlier decision. Tuesday's decision was a 6-3 split, with Justices Kagan and Alito stating in their concurrence that the earlier decision was "probably incorrect." As a result, what we have is the somewhat absurd result where 5 out of the 9 justices very clearly state that they believe that the copyright law was intended to allow copyright owners to prohibit consumers from importing copies of their work without permission, and yet the final ruling prevents them from doing so. Justice Kagan stated in her concurrence that Congress can amend the Copyright Act if Tuesday's decision was contrary to the intent of the Act, and with a little (or perhaps lot) of luck, that's what will indeed happen - at least one Congressman has already stated he will attempt to do so.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 16:43:57 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Love for Levon

I've been getting in to it today. So far the outstanding track for me is Marc Cohn on "Listening to Levon." I love that song anyway, but it has the added advantage of having the original guy and writer singing it, which obviously makes it alone here. Great keyboard work on there.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 16:38:16 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Another "take care" from me, Angelina.

Even the most docile towns have dangers. A friend of my daughter's was mugged in a car park in the allegedly quiet and safe Bournemouth in broad daylight mid-morning. They hit him from behind and took his phone. The police said he was lucky … he was knocked out, but the same gang usually kicked people on the ground and severely injured them. It hadn't occurred to them to just ask for the phone.

But a few years ago, another friend of hers was attacked by the beach in broad daylight … by 15 year old English girls. They broke her jaw. She'd never seen them or spoken to them. They just attacked "for fun' and put her in hospital for two weeks.

And once in Oxord Street, Central London, mid-afternoon, I was in a DVD store, and about twenty kids … twelve to fourteen at a guess … just ran in screaming and picked up armfuls of DVDs, ran out and dispersed in twenty directions.

So, yes, where's safe?


Entered at Sun Mar 24 16:25:23 CET 2013 from (184.145.66.72)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Angie, take care.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 16:06:30 CET 2013 from (64.231.17.86)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

dlew919...Thank you for your concern. Sometimes we just need to be heard and validated. Thank you.

I'm hoping to move by the end of the year. The murder occurred next door at 11:22 in the evening. I realize now that I've heard those "pops" before. A woman was stabbed to death behind my building just steps away from her home awhile ago at 7:00 in the morning. I was attacked just around the corner from where I live and ended up with a broken wrist. Police officers came to my home and took my mug shot and all I could do was look down. I can't tell you how difficult physio at home impacted my life and now my wrist will always be larger due to a bone slipping in that hot pink air cast I wore for almost six weeks. I'm on a self-funded leave and I thought, ok there are breaks and there are breaks..lol The medical student and supervisor I'm working with at the Naturopathic College of Canada recommended I read _The Gifts Of Imperfection_. It was in this book that I learned about COURAGE, COMMITMENT AND CONNECTION in one's life. Other things have happened but I don't always share as someone's comments could revictimize. I don't live in the affluent part of Cabbagetown. I always have to be on alert which is stressful to say the least. For those of you who have never experienced any violence by a stranger or partner.......count your lucky stars. But yes....Toronto is a safe city considering.

I am aware that I share too much personal information here. My hope is always that my experiences will somehow either inform, inspire or help others.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 15:38:49 CET 2013 from (76.69.138.69)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Toronto the Good

Toronto. Reassurance. A safe city. But still... a big city. With its own issues and concerns. That neighbourhood. Any neighbourhood. We have an excellent record compared to other cities of similar size. Its still Toronto, the (relatively) Good. John D and BEG and others can affirm. There are lots of excellent music events and great venues. You should give it a try sometime.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 14:39:05 CET 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Angelina: Look after yourself

We need you round here.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 13:47:20 CET 2013 from (69.158.28.234)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

AIN'T IN IT FOR MY HEALTH

March 22-24 - Circle Cinema, Tulsa, OK
April 10 - Sound Unseen, Minneapolis, MN
April 13 - Tinker Street Theater, Woodstock, NY
April 19-25 - Cinema Village, NYC, NY

Bonk: How was Stephen Fearing? I usually prefer to see him with BARK, but when I heard some clips from his latest; it sounded promising.

RP: Did you email me?

Apologies for all the spelling errors in previous two posts. Not a good few days with violence in my hood (another murder and this time we heard the four to six pops just two hours after I returned from seeing AIIFMH). Friday morning we were questioned as our townhouse apartment faces the street. When I left one of the Y's in the west end last night....Police again were outside, as apparently two very young boys who were just earlier hangin' at the basketball court were now being hand cuffed.......


Entered at Sun Mar 24 13:21:21 CET 2013 from (92.19.41.114)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Amy Helm

Nice interview on the BBC iPlayer with Amy Helm. The radio show is called - Another Country with Ricky Ross and he ends the interview with the classic Lonesome Suzie.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 08:59:23 CET 2013 from (68.199.209.140)

Posted by:

BIlly C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Famed Nashville Musician/Label owner/Studio owner owes 400k plus, isn't paying it. No one is trying to auction his stuff off. Look like he'll walk away from this scot free. Note the word "unsecured."


Entered at Sun Mar 24 08:35:34 CET 2013 from (108.199.114.49)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: The Swimming Hole

I must have imagined it.
Just looked on Landy's site and the caption just says:

"Goin' to the swimmin'hole with Rick Danko, Band members & friends"

I guess it makes more sense that it would be Rick's first wife Grace.
Sorry for any confusion, but at least I know who it is now.


Entered at Sun Mar 24 08:27:22 CET 2013 from (108.199.114.49)

Posted by:

Todd

Location: CT

Subject: Honkin'

How about 'Shotgun' by Junior Walker and the Allstars. Technically it starts off with drums, but the sax kicks in quickly and is the song's signature sound as far as I'm concerned.

I could very well be wrong about this, but I thought the woman walking up the road to the swimming hole was Robbie's wife Dominque....at least I though that I read that somewhere once...maybe on Elliot Landy's site?


Entered at Sat Mar 23 22:34:14 CET 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

Bonk

Location: Salt Spring Island.

Subject: BEG

Hey Angie. Stephen Fearing plays here on Salt Spring Island to-night.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 22:20:15 CET 2013 from (71.184.199.161)

Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: archives

Still seeking contributions if you have things (scans of tickets, articles, ads, posters, reviews, photos) oft The Band live. I've accumulated several hundred items (not already here, tons from the 83-86 reunion era) which I'm still hoping I can upload to this site. If you have anything you can email me at twood151515 AT hotmail DOT com Thanks


Entered at Sat Mar 23 21:43:49 CET 2013 from (63.81.26.185)

Posted by:

the ghost of tour ´94

Fuck Barney Hoskyns. He wrote a book full of lies, speculations and uncredited quotes. When Rick left us, he wrote an "obituary" in some UK rag that was was a pile of shite about healh issues and gossip. And now he´s spewing more of the same in the doc about Levon?


Entered at Sat Mar 23 21:40:57 CET 2013 from (68.199.209.140)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Bob, that's actually the same intro instrumentation to something i'm hearing in my head for something. . A touch of B3 preceding horns. When it hit me, i immediately questioned myself if i was inviting commercial failure. It's a commercial (but for real) song. And i was too lazy to go hunting on my own at the hour. The song that did immediately come to mind for a predominantly horn intro though was Ophelia....All that said, i could still end up with a guitar intro. It's grabbier.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 21:32:23 CET 2013 from (68.199.209.140)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

thanks for all your responses guys.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 20:45:36 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Horns

Jeff, how about Van Morrison's 'Real Real Gone'.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 20:03:27 CET 2013 from (69.156.29.91)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks Lil. Yes, I mixed up his two wives. It was CAROL who first told me as I was mesmermized by Rick and GRACE SELDNER in that photo.

Another highlight from AIIFMH was Barney Hoskyns. It's interesting that he concentrates on the three musketters.......and gives the viewers this reflection: Richard was the alcoholic, Lee was the manic one and Rick did everything to access......and?.....and?.....I was annoyed how he summed them up in that manner.

Billy Bob Thornton talks to Levon about how great the first two Band albums were and then the third one.....Levon responds that it was all over after the first two records. Really? I love the third one and there were still some great songs on other recordings. The one with the covers...Nooooo.

LIBBY TITUS....Something about her energy on screen that I really liked. If it's true that she and Amy invited Robbie to Levon's beside.....Love her.....As she understands the big picture in life.

THERESA WILLIAMS....seems to be an absolute sweetheart....Lucky Larry Campbell and lucky Theresa!!!!

I'm trying to be more mindful and post more about WOMEN in the music world. All these women should write their own memoirs....Yes, tell your story!

CAROL CAFFIN...I've only had positive emails with her and wished she would have been able to attend Rick's Tribute in Toronto and Simcoe. Rick was lucky to know her and Carol was lucky to have known and worked with Rick. He was the one who I couldn't keep my eyes off in TLW in 1978 (2X). Robbie is Robbie alright.....but he just seemed untouchable.....like Dylan.

Again LIL.....You were very fortunate that you knew Rick and that you had a special connection with him.


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Posted by:

Joan

Congratulations John D!


Entered at Sat Mar 23 16:52:26 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Congrats to John D for the well deserved honors. Hats off.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 16:48:46 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Introduction and Make Me Smile by Chicago start with big time section horns. Vehicle by the Ides of March. Not a complicated riff but You Can All Join In by Traffic has a honking opening. Got To Get You Into My Life is pretty obvious. This Time It's Real by Tower of Power. 21st Century Schizoid Man by King Crimson has a sax/guitar part that is insane. Get It On by Chase. Jackie Wilson Said by Van. Montana by Zappa (one of many). Some version of Them Changes. Fencewalk by Mandrill.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 16:09:50 CET 2013 from (24.105.216.125)

Posted by:

Lil

BEG: Enjoyed your post. Just wanted to clarify that the woman walking up the hill from the swimming hole in the photo you mentioned is actually Grace Seldner, Rick's first wife (although I don't think they were married yet when the photo was taken.)


Entered at Sat Mar 23 16:05:09 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Colin James

I have high regard for Colin James. He has been a stalwart of Canadian music and is one of those superb musicians who flies under the radar on the international scene. I saw him first at Expo 86 in Vancouver and have been an adherent ever since. Congratulations to him and keep on making that music.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 16:02:04 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Horn At Work

"Who Can It Be Now" - Men At Work (Australia) starts with 2or3 bangs and then the Sax. Not exactly high octane though.

John D- I know I've said it before, but Congratulations to the dean of Toronto music.


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Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Never Tell Your Mother She's Out Of Tune by Jack Bruce.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 15:45:11 CET 2013 from (69.156.29.91)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

.....and how come I didn't get an invite? It's ok.....I'm only a fan.

Much deserved congrats to you JOHN DONABIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Btw, the next time you see Tom....Let him know that he looks real good these days! ;-D


Entered at Sat Mar 23 15:41:18 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: BEG

Beg I was with Tom Wilson, Colin Linden and Jim Cuddy on Thursday night (night of Levon film) at the CMW Awards show. They were inducting Colin James who also played two tunes. I was being inducted into the Broadcasting Hall of Fame and receiving the Allan Waters Life Time Achievement Award. Mr. Waters was the founder of CHUM radio. Had a nice chat with both Tom and Colin.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 15:24:45 CET 2013 from (68.199.209.140)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

JT thanks for your thought. One Fine Morning is reasonably high octane, however, it begins with drums, then a lenght of guitar before the horns.

I'm looking for horns right off, or maybe after a couple of zets on the drums.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 15:19:30 CET 2013 from (69.156.29.91)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Ain't In It For My Health

Well....I got the run around as to tickets in that I was told to go to the Mariott Hotel if I wanted to pick up my ticket earlier than at TIFF theatres. Nope! Complete mix-up between Canadian Music Week and Toronto International Film Festival Theatres. The good news.....while waiting to speak to another person about mix-up (I was really annoyed as I wanted to go somewhere else before the show.)......I saw Tom Wilson of BARK walk in and I ended up standing in line behind him. Apparently he was annoyed about something as well.....Then I was told to see another person and who ends up standing beside me......Tom Wilson. He starts saying how annoyed he is.....and then his phone rings.....short lived connection......LOL........He then puts posters of Lee Harvey Osmond Folk Sinner Live on one of the tables with special guests: Tom Wilson, Andy Maize (Skydiggers), Oh Susanna, Colin Linden (BARK also), Paul Reddick and Michale Timmins (The Cowboy Junkies). They performed last night at the Great Hall. I put on the table a card for Community Acupuncture Clinic. :-D

One of the people who tried to apologize profusely for the huge mix-up started telling me about the documentary (she seemed like a huge fan of Levon)......and then when I told her I was really looking forward to also seeing Elizabeth Danko......She knew that I wasn't a casual fan either.

I ended up sitting beside someone who saw The Hawks at Le Coq d'Or Tavern at 333 Yonge Street when Jerry Penfound was playing with them. He didn't know who Larry Campbell was....On the other side of me was someone who attended one of the Rambles in Woodstock. The man at the end of our row looked like Pentii Glan so I asked the man beside me if by any chance if it was him. He smiled and said that yes he was a musician but that he was his dad. If Jan Haust was present.....He was sitting in the row in front of me. I kept looking for the regulars who frequent this site but didn't see anyone. The only other person I recognized was a local musician who went for shiatsu massage treatments like myself on College Street at one time.

The theatre was packed but not a very large theatre. It was actually my first time at this theatre.

Some highlights.....We see the beauty of Larry Campbell as a person and musician. He states that he had hoped that Lee would finally embrace his legacy with The Band....It didn't happen. In another scene he's trying to find a line to rhyme and asks Levon for help. Levon keeps his eyes closed while Larry keeps reading the lines he has written down....and then leaves the room.

There were times when the camera would close right in on Levon and he looked so sad. Some reviews called this film a portrait of a dying musician. He let's us in on his medical appointments which I couldn't watch very well as he was in so much pain while this instrument was inserted into his nose.....

You Are Not Your Suffering

I am not an illness
My symptoms are not
who I am.
No single failure is my entire biography.
Mistakes are moments,
not nameplates.
Pain is an experience,
not an identity.
That which suffers is not me.
bThoughts are just thoughts.
Fears are just fears.
Pain is transient.
The past is over.
Wholeness.

His love for ganja is present in most parts of this doc....not new news but I was surprised how open he was here.

Seeing SANDY HELM , LIBBY TITUS, ELIZABETH DANKO (where was Richard's wife?).......was precious. Let's hear it for the women who had to deal with.....The good, bad and the ugly. They were all smiling...Sandy seemed like she's a lot of fun to be around.....Libby.....She tells us that things were very different at one point.....but Elizabeth Danko.....The apartment building she lives in for the elderly looked similar to the one my late Ma lived in.......I knew and could feeeeel how difficult life was.....I hope her memories comfort....rather than torment......She did show us these stunning photos she has of Rick in boxes......She's the one in the photo that Landy took of Rick at the swimming hole and then you see only the back side of a shapely woman walking up the hill.....Elizabeth? Right Carol?

The one scene I had to hold back tears was when Levon was trying his best to sing "Amazing Grace"......Still more powerful than singers who have healthy vocal chords.

I never met Levon as I didn't feel I deserved to meet him as I've been critical of him re the ffffffffff.........However, I was always his fan and saw him perform maybe six times........and I'll always appreciate that he did it his way and that he gave his heart and soul to The Band.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 14:33:24 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: CTA again

'Ballad for a Girl From Buchanan" ('Make Me Smile' etc) opens with horns (CTA) but it may not qualify for Led Zep-like high octane to which you refer.


Entered at Sat Mar 23 14:22:27 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: No horns in 'I'm A Man' CTA

There are no horns at all in CTA's' I'm a Man' opening. So that one's out. My apologies. I just checked


Entered at Sat Mar 23 14:16:28 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Lighthouse and CTA

One Fine Morning - Lighthouse (Adam Prokop, Paul Hoffert et al) opens with a guitar riff but soon after a barrage of horns hits you in the gut. Maybe not high octane rock but very powerful song. I can't remember if CTA (before they were called Chicago) used their horns to open their songs (i.e.. their version of "I'm a Man:etc-probably early guitar, then soon horns, just like Lighthouse )


Entered at Sat Mar 23 09:59:31 CET 2013 from (68.199.209.140)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Horny Songs

Can anyone name any famous or memorable high octane rock and roll songs whose opening riff was by a horn or full horn section?


Entered at Sat Mar 23 03:33:47 CET 2013 from (68.199.209.140)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friendo

Subject: Gaslight

The Gaslight Coffee House on Macdougal St is closing tonight. Everything changes, but NYC been losing it's past faster and faster.


Entered at Fri Mar 22 21:33:41 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

There is a magic about seeing the London-American logo on "One Dozen Berries" and having the original mono mix even if scratchy. I'm sure David P knows what I mean! But I'm going for the £16.21 180 gram vinyl version and hope they've been faithful to the original mix.

"Love for Levon" arrived today … it's £10 cheaper than the original UK listing, and amazon credit that, so go for it!

Today was a day for Hawks drummers … though Mickey Jones not Levon. My two year granddaughter will jump up and down on the spot to the right music, and we progressed from Buddy Holly (Peggy Sue, Rave On) to Trini Lopez (If I Had A Hammer, La Bamba). We had La Bamba three times as she shouted "Again!" every time it ended. It was the second time through before I thought, 'Hey, this wildly infectious drum track is by Mickey Jones.'


Entered at Fri Mar 22 21:33:06 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Long & Winding Road

And it was 50 years ago today that the Beatles' debut LP "Please Please Me" was released by Parlophone in the UK.

Meanwhile, across the pond, Ronnie Hawkins & our Hawks had recorded "Bo Diddley" and "Who Do You Love" two months earlier in Jan. 1963. Does anyone know the release date?


Entered at Fri Mar 22 19:57:01 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

PS to Bonk: If you scroll back to earlier this year, February, I believe, you'll find an exchange between John D and I that provides more info about Dave Nicholls and the Coins, and also about Dave's brother Al, a very successful singer/actor (JB and the Playboys, HAIR on Broadway, a bunch of Robert Altman movies).


Entered at Fri Mar 22 18:18:43 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

The recent Beatles LP reissues were sourced from 44.1k/24bit digital masters, rather than from the original analog master tapes. Those tapes had been transferred intitially to higher resolution 192/24 digital copies and then down-converted to the 44.1/24 used to cut the lacquers :-(


Entered at Fri Mar 22 16:54:45 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

David P, I believe that is the case.


Entered at Fri Mar 22 16:26:45 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Bonk: Belated response to your post about singer Ray Hutchison, who as you say was the singer-guitarist with the successful Beaumarks band in the early '60s and was subsequently a Yonge Street lounge act well into the '70s. In addition to the Beaumarks one big hit, "Clap Your Hands", what interests me about them is a) their first record (as the Del-Tones), which was rockabilly, and their second (of three) LP, which was, or purported to be, recorded live at the Le Coq D'Or on Yonge Street back in the day. (See link, and note that you can hear any of the underlined songs in the discography by clicking on them. Most of the songs on the live album were pretty much club standards; a notable exception is "Wouldn't It Be Nice", which was a local hit for Johnny Rhythm in '61, a year+ after Robbie Robertson and Scott Cushnie had left his backing group, the Suedes. As the bio at the link notes, Hutchison jumped over to Dave Nicholls and the Coins, another Montreal group that played the Yonge Street strip regularly for the rest of the decade, though I think Hutchison left in '65 or '66 when he released a couple of singles on Epic. Did he know Hawkins and the Hawks? Without a doubt. In the 1971 book "Axes, Chops and Hot Licks", Hawkins even lists Ray as one of the artists he helped get started. He also cited the Band, Full Tilt, Crowbar, David Clayton Thomas, Lightfoot, Bobby Curtola and one or two others. While Hawkins was very important to some, others - like Hutchison, Lightfoot and Curtola - he no doubt had onstage as guests but can hardly take credit for. To your question about why Hutchison was overlooked in the Yonge Street documentary, I'd say it was a combination of lack of name recognition, lack of historical importance, lack of enough time to include everyone (just three episodes for 25 years) - and possibly lack of archival footage to liven things up.


Entered at Fri Mar 22 16:17:12 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: TLW Remix

Pat: That would seem to indicate that the Rhino 3-LP set was sourced from the same (stereo) digital master used for the 4-CD version, rather than from a separate analog master of the remix. As I recall, separate digital surround sound remixes were prepared for the 2002 DVD and DVD-A audio versions.


Entered at Fri Mar 22 15:50:02 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

I believe when I bought the original Rhino LW vinyl boxed set, the original mixes had been replaced by those produced for the 4 cd collection, a marked improvement over the 1978 album mixes.


Entered at Fri Mar 22 14:51:42 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: The Waterboys Fisherman's Blues Tour

Peter V, the Waterboys are touring with the original Fisherman's Blues band at the end of this year. I think all the shows scheduled so far are on your side of the world. I saw the Yeats show the other night at Town Hall in New York. It was a real good show but the Fisherman's Blues band was Mike Scott's finest hour. You should get tickets. I promise, you won't be sorry.


Entered at Fri Mar 22 14:46:14 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Reissues

Peter: New heavy vinyl reissues, absent the surface noise of older records, would be quieter and may be a better bargain than original versions that demand high prices. Whether or not they'd sound better would depend on if they were sourced from original analog masters in good condition and the technical choices made by the remastering engineer.


Entered at Fri Mar 22 11:36:08 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Crosby, Stills & Nash

UK tickets for October went on sale this morning. It's emerged quite quietly, so quick work should obtain tickets. I have!


Entered at Fri Mar 22 07:16:07 CET 2013 from (41.162.7.114)

Posted by:

Nux

Web: My link

Subject: Franklins Tower

My little tribute to Jerry Garcia and The Grateful Dead.Hope you guys enjoy!


Entered at Fri Mar 22 00:22:02 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

David, on vinyl reissues … I have the original TLW LPs. This came up yesterday. A record store has a London-American 1958 pressing of "One Dozen Berrys" (a record I've always coveted) that lists at £150, but might go for £50 or £60. But a remastered new 180 gram vinyl is £16.21. But somehow, isn't there more appeal in the 1958 pressing? Do you reckon a new one would sound better? I wouldn't dream of shelling out the cost of the original.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 21:18:34 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.82)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: I believe that the US and Canadian versions of ""The Hawk" came out at the same time. Thanks for posting the Canadian cover; can't think why Cotillion chose not to use it. Cotillion, by the way, had issued two singles by Tobi Lark in and around '68. Lark was at the time one of Hawkins' front people along with Eugene 'Jay' Smith and then Richard 'King Biscuit Boy" Newell. Both records were produced by King Curis, who saw her on the Hawkins bandstand and whisked her away to NYC to record; Curtis would no doubt have remembered Hawkins from sessions they did in the early '60s.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 21:02:08 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Skydog

"Skydog" also includes two cover versions of "The Weight", Aretha Franklin's and the King Curtis instrumental.

The Record Store Day 3-LP set of "The Last Waltz" has a suggested price of $49.98. That's somewhat of a bargain, as individual heavy vinyl records are generally priced in the $20-$30 range


Entered at Thu Mar 21 20:59:05 CET 2013 from (187.145.163.178)

Posted by:

Zina Ranko

Location: Mexico City
Web: My link

Subject: promo

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Entered at Thu Mar 21 20:31:23 CET 2013 from (129.98.207.164)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Skydog

Regarding the new Duane Allman boxset,this is the quintessential release if you want to own most of Duane's work in one boxset.Prior releases of Duane's,under the titles Anthology 1 & 2 were quite inclusive and excellent.If you take the anthologies and other releases you'd have well over 90% of this music.If this is all new then grab it!


Entered at Thu Mar 21 20:26:56 CET 2013 from (70.24.109.7)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Terry Danko Interview

CC: Did you ever think about re-recording the tracks that were lost?

TD: I did record a couple of tracks once; they didn't feel the same. The magic wasn't there.

CC: You and Richard Manuel were close friends. I don't think a lot of people know that. Were you always close, or did that develop later?

TD: Richard and I became close during my years at Shangri-La. After The Band went their own ways, Richard and I seemed to run into each other a lot-same friends, same parties.

CC: What was the songwriting process like with Richard? Did you guys sit down together to collaborate, or did he do parts and you do parts on your own?

TD: Richard didn't have an easy time writing. When he sat down with Marty and myself, we all just let it go and the words just fell into place. Maybe it was just the song ["Was That Any Way to Say Goodbye"], who knows? But that was written by all three of us. Richard also sang on another three or four songs.

CC: Was Rick involved at all?

TD: No, Rick had nothing to do with the recording or writing of any of these songs.


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Posted by:

sadavid

Web: My link

Subject: southern boys

This new Duane Allman box set really demonstrates how much the guy got around in a brief time.
Also a little surprising to see no fewer than 7 Hawk tracks, including the venerable Hawkins / Magill collaboration "Odessa."


Entered at Thu Mar 21 19:59:47 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Web: My link

Subject: Found It

Here's what I'm looking for.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 19:51:22 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: TLW Record Store Day Release

Among the Record Store Day items set for release on April 20 is a limited edition (5000 copies) 3-LP set of "The Last Waltz" on 180-g vinyl from Rhino.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 19:46:32 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The Hawk

Well since I started this discussion, I just found my Canadian version of "The Hawk" with Atkinson, Danko & Ford. Recorded at Toronto Sound Studios. This is a mish mash of the American version and the Canadian version. Duane Allman, The Dixie Flyers etc also are on this album. The picture on the cover is Ronnie standing in almost darkness looking to his right; outside through a window. On the flip side you see the window. Looks like it was shot at the Mississauga home.

So to summarize. This album is half recorded at Criteria Studios and then the Canadian tracks added; from the Toronto Sound Studios. Seem to both have been recorded at the same time. There are 12 tracks and is on Hawk Records distributed by GRT. Jutta Ney; who worked at GRT did the liner notes. Can't find a picture of it anywhere. The both came out at the same time.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 19:40:40 CET 2013 from (64.134.233.100)

Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Subject: Getting Real

There's a great rehearsal take of "Across The Great Divide" linked to on FB these days, is that from "The Real Rock Of Ages?" Anybody got that and want to swap something for it? Find me at Amosduncan_2000@yahoo.com. Thanks.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 19:18:18 CET 2013 from (70.24.109.7)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TO CANADA'S BOBBY ORR!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Thu Mar 21 18:50:39 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Kevin, I agree 100% that the NRA is insane and the politicians who do its wishes are even worse.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 18:29:10 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Pat….I know that…..I added that headline more in response to what I thought was PV’s statement that MS WAS actually Jim Jones….Of course he didn’t really say that either – rather correcting what he had initially misread. Sad thing is that inaction on the part of US Federal politicians on gun laws will actually result in more killings over the next few years than the lunatic Jim Jones was responsible for........NRA is pouring the coolaid in this case and cowardly politicians are drinking it.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 18:05:15 CET 2013 from (70.24.109.7)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Yes God is Real"....Michelle Shocked is honoured and performs.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses". Karl Marx

"Did God create "man" or did "man" create God." Ludwig Feuerbach


Entered at Thu Mar 21 17:29:25 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Kevin, I meant that she literally sounded like Jim Jones. The tone of her voice, the pacing, especially when she gets mad and then speaks Spanish. I think we are all smart enough here to recognize the difference between insulting your audience at a club and brainwashing people into drinking poison kool-aid. I think.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 17:17:39 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Jim Jones: 918 Murdered, Michelle Socked: 24 Gays in a Tizzy!

I had not heard the audio of the Michelle Shocked statement before posting yesterday…….the bits I did gather were from reports of some audience members and it appeared irony might have been her intention…………….after actually hearing her it would seem more a case of a person who has gone a bit loopy – as often is the first stage of behaviour for “born agains”. She had sympathy for the old-timers she had spent time with in her church and expressed their views from stage……of course adding that she “agreed” with them no doubt was provocative……….Sorry but I really do find gays wanting to get married a bit like punks who would have wanted to join the ELP fan club in 1977. I would support it…..would never rally against it but it is all with a bit of a chuckle – isn’t it? Far more “troubling” to me is the news of the last few days that not only will US legislators not support for enactment to law an assault weapons ban but they won’t even get behind universal background checks………..Almost as many people have died from gun in the US since Sandy Hook as died in the towers of 9/11………remember all those tears and the pages of outrage at this site even in the aftermath of Sandy Hook……and sweet fuck all is being done about it. Mind blowing………….now back to Betty with sideburns giving the finger to a loopy over the hill songwriter in the first days of conversion/confusion in her new club called religion. Delicious is a silly word to describe anything but cake but on a scale of things that trouble me………Ms. Shocked is way down the list.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 16:49:00 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I need new glasses. I read Pat's post and watched Michelle Shocked wondering in what way she sounded like Tom Jones, then went back and realized it was JIM Jones,


Entered at Thu Mar 21 16:25:09 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Michelle Shocked sounds a bit like Jim Jones.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 15:45:18 CET 2013 from (70.24.109.7)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For the reggae fans out there, here's the entire One Love Concert Tribute to Bob Marley. I especially dig LAURYN HILL, Ben Harper, (first time in 1999 I was exposed to him), ERYKAH BADU...All musicians return to stage for the finale of One Love...even Dr. John singing along.

The Bob Marley song that no one here tried to guess that apparently is one of Bob's absolute favourites is.......LIVELY UP YOURSELF!


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Let's hear it for the very, very missed.....LAURYN HILL!!!!!

The father of her many children appears on stage....Rohan Marley who is one of Bob's many children. They've since separated and moved on.

Lauryn Hill: "There were a number of different reasons. But partly, the support system that I needed was not necessarily in place. There were things about myself, personal-growth things, that I had to go through in order to feel like it was worth it. In fact, as musicians and artists, it's important we have an environment – and I guess when I say environment, I really mean the [music] industry, that really nurtures these gifts. Oftentimes, the machine can overlook the need to take care of the people who produce the sounds that have a lot to do with the health and well-being of society, or at least some aspect of society. And it's important that people be given the time that they need to go through, to grow, so that the consciousness level of the general public is properly affected. Oftentimes, I think people are forced to make decisions prematurely. And then that sound radiates." – Hill talks about why she left music.[28]"


Entered at Thu Mar 21 14:45:21 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Hawk

Adding to the confusion, there were at least two Ronnie Hawkings albums entitled "The Hawk". The first one, that Bill & John mentioned, was recorded in 1971 at Criteria Studios in Miami and released in the U.S. by Cotillion/Atlantic. The second one, that Peter mentioned, was recorded in 1979 in LA and released by United Artists in the U.S.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 14:13:25 CET 2013 from (70.24.109.7)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Michelle Shocked Actual Audio, March 17 in San Francisco

"Actual audio from the second half of Michelle Shocked's appearance at Yoshi's. (I have removed a couple of musical numbers.) Listen and judge for yourself what she was up to."


Entered at Thu Mar 21 14:01:24 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Lyric Sheet

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about lyric sheets. Great information and much appreciated.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 12:09:29 CET 2013 from (68.196.243.226)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Well, as you know, if they rob a bite from every small slice of the pie, that adds up to quite a meal. Yeara ago i worked a year as a 1099 salesman for someone. that calssification here, you are self employed, the company you sub for withholds no tax on you at all. They had over a dozen salespeople, and many dozen subcontractor installation companies. . When they gave me my 1099, it was over a thousand too high. Well, if they gave each of us 1099s that were excessive, they'd decrease their tax debt tremendously. I did go to the boss and did show him the error. it got corrected.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 10:28:58 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Trusting the accounting of large companies is something you're stuck with unfortunately. Twenty years ago, forensic accounting was possible, but in the digital domain you can't do it. You hope that their profits are so large and the slice they pay you is so small that they have no incentive to rig the books and it's automatic. But even so that may rely on someone (probably in the Third World) inputting data correctly.

Years ago, a professional association I belong to used to select one author every so often and run a full forensic accounting exercise on their royalties. The results were odd. They virtually always found significant errors, and guess what? More than 90% of the errors were in the publisher's favour.

My co-author simply used to go over statements with a calculator re-adding up the figures. He often found us extra money. You'd think spreadsheets have eliminated that, but he'd look through the columns and somewhere an obscure component in a list would have 0% in the royalty column. They were always terribly sorry. Someone had failed to type a one in front of the zero. But you know, we never found a case where it was 10% and someone inadvertently typed an extra zero after the ten!

Don't forget Allen Klein's appeal to the Stones and Beatles was that he could simply run a forensic accounting exercise and turn up millions of dollars. And he knew he could too.


Entered at Thu Mar 21 08:43:08 CET 2013 from (68.196.243.226)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Returns

Surprisingly, there are digital returns. A couple monthss back i noticed my cdbaby account had about 12 iTunes returns on it. i emailed cdbaby and asked em what that could possibly be. Never got a real answer, what they ended up telling me was that iTunes allows people to buy tracks, and then if they end up buying an entire project, they credit them for the single purchases.So, maybe this is what happened. Not a satisfactory answer, and they should have contacted iTunes and asked. To catch 12 returns in one shot, never having gotten em before in 12 years, is kind of odd. I guess i should try calling cdbaby, maybe i;ll get a better answer, I doubt iTunes will answer me directly, as, I let cdbaby handle the distribution with them...Back when i made the project, and finally decided to sell it digitally too, I applied to iTunes,.They told me they would deal with me as a label, but since i was already selling the hard disc through CdBaby, they could get me on iTunes much quicker if i let CdBaby do my digital distribution. I'm not sure if this is because they protecting CdBaby as a client, or if it is simply because it's easier for iTunes to let Cdbaby handle it. CdBaby does the digital conversion of the disc, sends the file to iTunes. It's less discs for them to rip, etc etc.

Digital sales still seems to be frought with ways to get screwed. How does any label or srtist know that Itunes or any download seller (Amazon for example)is paying them for what they have actually sold? Add a middleman, like CdBaby or Tunecore in the recipe, there is another link in the chain, albel doesn't know that the middleman is not beating them..... Physical, sure a distriobutor can beat a label alot of ways- But a label at least knows how many hard copies it gave the distributor and how many it has been paid for. Still, a million ways to get beat, including outlets or the distributor going under. .....


Entered at Thu Mar 21 00:02:12 CET 2013 from (65.95.183.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

guess there's something wrong with me
guess I don't fit in
no one wants to touch it
no one knows where to begin
I've got more than one membership
to more than one club
and I owe my life
to the people that I love

he looks me up and down
like he knows what time it is
like he's got my number
like he thinks it's his
he says,
call me, Miss DiFranco,
if there's anything I can do
I say,
It's Mr. DiFranco to you

somedays the line I walk
turns out to be straight
other days the line tends to
deviate
I've got no criteria for sex or race
I just want to hear your voice
I just want to see your face

She looks me up and down
like she thinks that I'll mature
like she's got my number
like it belongs to her
she says,
call me, Ms. DiFranco
if there's anything I can do
I say, I've got spots
I've got
stripes, too

their eyes are all asking
are you in, or are you out
and I think, oh man,
what is this about?
tonight you can't put me
up on any shelf
'cause I came here alone
I'm gonna leave by myself

I just want to show you
the way that I feel
and when I get tired
you can take the wheel
to me what's more important
is the person that I bring
not just getting to the same restaraunt
and eating the same thing

guess there's something wrong with me
guess I don't fit in
no one wants to touch it
no one knows where to begin
I've more than one membership
to more than one club
and I owe my life to the people that I love

"In Or Out"...Let's hear it again.....from Ani DiFranco....Song dedicated to all who go both ways as they belong to both clubs....

She opened for Dylan at Ontario Place, Toronto...but she blew him off the stage. Larry Campbell was there. He never really looked "happy" while playing with Bob. So when he said he shared war stories with Levon.......Hmmmm. All great musicians but not everyone gels together.

The cuts that I heard from "Love For Levon"....Maybe it was better live?

Garth also played on Marianne Faithfull's record....The Band....were never....the same when Robbie moved on.....It would have not been the same if Levon had moved on.....not the same if Rick had moved on......not the same if Richard had moved on......not the same if Garth had moved on.....Period!


Entered at Wed Mar 20 23:52:54 CET 2013 from (68.196.243.226)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Jed, live sound in large venues has become an increasing problem over the last 20 years. they push the kick drum and teh bass way too damn high.Not always, but often.

Email me, cousinmoe followed by the numeric fifty eight at aol.com. i'll tell you wehre to go for great live sound that will make you very happy.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 23:50:26 CET 2013 from (65.95.183.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: Ain't In It For My Health

Toronto TIFF Bell Lightbox
Thursday March 21 @ 7-8:30
Tickets 10.00 + HST = 11.50

Cinema Village, NYC
April 19-25


Entered at Wed Mar 20 23:38:49 CET 2013 from (174.44.139.55)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Ramble 3

Wasn't there to be a release of Levon-Ramble 3? And,anyone know when Ain't in it for My Health is coming out?


Entered at Wed Mar 20 23:26:09 CET 2013 from (92.18.180.237)

Posted by:

Solomon

I watched Down In The Flood tonight and I don't think any Band fan will learn anything new about anything. It was still nice to see John Simon and Garth being interviewed.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 23:25:06 CET 2013 from (65.95.183.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I'd be interested in Ani DiFranco's thoughts myself.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 22:29:36 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Not surprisingly, with her entire American and European tour now cancelled, Michelle Shocked is attempting to undo her self-inflicted professional suicide. Good luck with that.

I don't know that "delicious" is the word for it. More like "troubling" in that the largest section of Shocked's fanbase appears to be gay. That she would get up onstage and produce a rant that sounds like the Westboro religious nuts is odd.

I watched Down In The Flood and it is pretty good.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 22:00:38 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Hawk

I have the British CD release (EMI Capitol). It doesn't have individual track listings, but lists Garth Hudson, James Burton, Terry Danko, Stan Szelest, Paul Butterfield, Mark Lindsay.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 21:36:27 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: The Brown Album

Forty-four years ago, March-April 1969, The Band began recording tracks for The Brown Album in Sammy Davis, Jr.'s poolhouse in Hollywood.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 20:20:50 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.89)

Posted by:

Bill M

As far as I know, the Atkinson Danko versions appeared only on the Canadian pressing of the "Hawk" LP. (Or, as in the case of "Lonely Weekends" and "Patrica", on a Canadian 45). I'm sure that anyone reissuing the album on CD would have used the Allman versions that appeared on the US pressing. Note that the Caaadian LP cover was a current photo of Hawkins, while the US album recycled the photo that had been used for Ronnie's 1968 Canada-only LP (produced by a young Brian Ahern and with John Till on guitar).


Entered at Wed Mar 20 20:03:51 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ronnie Hawkins Canadian Versions / Bill M

Bill I have two; or 3 mp3's of Ronnie being backed by Atkinson Danko and Ford doing Lonely Weekends, Ooby Doobie and maybe Drinkin' Wine. Where I get confused is that he did the same songs on an album called "The Hawk"; but that's with Duane Ullman, Duck Dunn and friends. Maybe their was a "The Hawk" Canadian version. Would appreciate your help. I'm thinking that the Canadian versions of those songs exists only on vinyl; which I have downstairs. For some reason I thought those made it to CD as well. I may be wrong. Thanks Bill.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 19:52:41 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINK above about what David was talking about.......Springsteen talks about backing Berry...worth seeing.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 19:43:28 CET 2013 from (129.98.207.164)

Posted by:

Jed

Subject: Love for Levon

I attended the concert,had a great time but,was dismayed by the terrible sound in that cavernous dump they played in.Just yesterday got my DVD and am enjoying the concert.You can note the sound problem when they switch off the soundboard tape for speaking parts--it's quite obvious although less problematic than it was for the music.As for the music,it's funny how some songs I heard live at the time seemed great but were not--i.e.Cripple Creek--can't imagine anyone in The Band or fans of The Band enjoying how Robert Randolph approached this tune--wild & out of control--not very Band-like.And,some some tunes i didn't enjoy live-i.e Tears of Rage-on DVD were quite enjoyable.Also,sadly,Garth remained low in the mix on his 2 tunes and surprisingly,this was not Garth's finest playing.Knowing how awesome a talent Garth still is,seeing/hearing him not at his best was sad for me.Overall,the concert is a moving tribute to Levon & to the entire Band.Funny reading the booklet that came with the DVD & reading credits,I was struck,once more, by Robbie's tremendous songwriting abilities and noted how sad it was that he wasn't there.As fine as the concert was,i kept thinking about & hearing the tunes as The Band did them thus making every song fall short of their genuis.The DVD is worth having & once again the most impressive work came early with terrific performances by Warren Haynes & Gregg Allman.Oddly,as an Allmans fan I never enjoyed their renditions of Band songs,but when Levon's band backed them it seemed to work.In fact,I saw the Allmans at the Beacon Theater on 3/6 & they covered It Makes No Difference & The Weight.Not very enjoyable--although their cover of Tears of Rage was better.Perhaps,I was merely hoping the Allmans would stick to their own,very deep catalouge of music--which they tend to ignore.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 19:41:04 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I've met people who backed Chuck Berry and never exchanged words with him!


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Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: LEVON,etc....

Hi all;-

Link is old & New info.

CYA soon


Entered at Wed Mar 20 19:31:58 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Chuck Berry

I once spoke with a local musician who was recruited to back Chuck Berry in concert. As he related, confirming what I'd read previously, Mr. Berry's modus operandi was to be paid, only in cash, before he went on stage to perform. The local promoter had to provide a 3-piece group (bass, drums & guitar) to back him, along with two Fender amps. Mr. Berry would just show up with his guitar and maybe a female companion. If the local group was lucky, they'd might do a brief sound check to run through one or two songs beforehand, where the star would admonish them on how to follow his cues. Then he'd give them the set list and disappear until showtime.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 18:49:31 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Amazon just e-mailed me to say "Love for Levon" was dispatching earlier than expected.

A 28 day tour? I can't think I'd watch anyone, The Band, Dylan, anyone twenty-eight times in a row (in what, 35 days?). I think if it was a couple of big gigs, Michelle Shocked had a point about staying to the end … or say a tour of 5 or 6 shows at large venues.Then you'd wait, for promotional value as much as anything. But they were up for 28 shows? Unrealistic expectation on her part. On their part, the principle was held more important than the money, or the promotion and audience-widening aspect of such a tour. Audience-widening is important … people who went to see Michelle Shocked, or Taj or Uncle Tupelo getting turned on to The Band. But they didn't have an album to push. Still, probably not a good career move either.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 18:48:15 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Lyrics

I will weigh in on the side of liking the lyrics with the recording. I enjoy reading while I listen. Sometimes, if I Like some music that came without liner notes I will check out the lyrics on the Web For me it enhances the pleasure.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 18:28:07 CET 2013 from (180.254.157.141)

Posted by:

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Location: Indonesia
Web: My link

Subject: I love This Site

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Entered at Wed Mar 20 17:57:32 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

…..remember those great scenes in the “extras” section of “Hail Hail Rock n Roll” when Robbie Robertson is interviewing Chuck Berry and is expressing his astonishment that Chuck was regularly opening multi-act shows that toured through Toronto in the 50’s even though Chuck was at his height of popularity…….CB was completely unflustered by this and calmly pointed out to Robbie that opening had its benefits………..quicker to get paid and easier to pull babes! Now imagine asking him to stick around for 2 hours! …… a guy who wanted to be paid to attend the opening of his own biopic!!!!!


Entered at Wed Mar 20 17:46:34 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Arkansas Traveler Meets the Tennessee Stud

The original "Arkansas Traveler" was tune from the 1840s written by Confederate Col. Sanford Faulkner, which morphed into a comedic sketch. The recording of Ms. Shocked's version of the song featured Jimmy Driftwood from Timbo, Arkansas, best known for writing "The Battle of New Orleans" and "Tennessee Stud".

Her recording of "Secret to a Long Life", featuring Levon & Garth, was co-produced by Bernie Leadon, providing a link to the Eagles.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 17:04:31 CET 2013 from (64.231.17.86)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

A video from 1992 (David Letterman Show) of Michelle Shocked and Garth and Levon was peviously posted here. Unfortunatley it is no longer available.

When I purchased "Arkansas Traveller" I didn't even know that two Band members were on two songs? I did give the reformed Band a chance as they did an amazing cover of "Altlantic City" but the songs just weren't there except for maybe Rick's "Too Soon Gone". It's like great actors who are given a weak script or story to act out....
I did see Rick and Levon in 1983, but as I have posted many times...meeting Pentii Glan was more memorable. However, I would love to have a copy of that show from the Pearcy House, Toronto just in case I did miss something memorable. :-D


Entered at Wed Mar 20 17:02:16 CET 2013 from (74.203.77.122)

Posted by:

Jon L

Web: My link

Pat, which brings us to this... one more intriguing data point re that 1992 tour.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 16:58:06 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

…..Irony….which seemed to be the tone of Michelle Shocked statements just doesn’t play well from a stage of a pop/rock star……better to stay silent or just go with the stand-by’s of “How ya feeling Cleveland” or “Great to be in Cleveland tonight”……that all said…..isn’t it just a bit delicious to have an “alternative” crowd turn on a performer for mocking the most traditionally conservative of ceremonies that the “alternative hipsters” are all rushing to be part of………..madness really………………Until today, I had no idea Michelle Shocked was still around……..and tomorrow Great White burn down another club and we learn they are still around also…………No joke, The Bay City Rollers just played a casino north of Toronto……..it might have been a Saturday night……

Am I truly a Band Nut or is it ok that I feel a lot more upset at Michelle Shocked insisting The Band be kicked off “her” tour because they refused to stick around and join her for an encore…..talk about not knowing your place or recognizing just how they might have felt……..some insight into how a sensitive soul like Richard Manuel was truly driven off the edge by having to put up with such gross indignities……..Imagine if RR had still been in the band and some flunky from Shocked’s entourage approached with “Hey, we want you to stick around this smelly little theatre/club for another 2 hours so that the boys can be trotted out to play with Michelle"…………proud that Rick and others told her to take a hike on that one……


Entered at Wed Mar 20 16:54:52 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

We should recall that the tour itself was something of a concept. MS was referring to herself as the Arkansas Traveller (the name of the album) and considered the tour to be a "past is present" thing. You had Taj and the Band representing the older folks who recognized Americana 25 years earlier coupled with Uncle Tupelo and her who were the new generation. The album itself was recorded all over the world with many different musicians. She probably thought she could recreate the Rolling Thunder Review and have a big Kumbaya moment at the end.

Levon ended up talking glowingly about Uncle Tupelo so he must have seen something of their show.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 16:18:41 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

We don't know the details of that 1992 feud. On the face of it, looking at the Boston Globe's report, it seems a clash of cultures and ages. The Band's attitude was perhaps that they had fulfilled what they had been booked for and paid for. As they were at a low point, I'd be surprised if they didn't feel severely underpaid too.

The opposite view is 'Hey, it's a show!' and they had Taj Mahal too, and for the enthusiastic young performer on the way up (as she then was), it would be hard to understand that The Band weren't into the groove and were unwilling to wait 90 minutes to be part of the ending. It would have seemed curmudgeonly and definitely "not on the bus." And it's not like it was half a day. More personally galling would be that they didn't want to watch her act.

I remarked on how circa 1970 it was pretty rare in my experience for bands to watch each other's stage act. They might once, but not twice. I remember the Sunday afternoons at the Roundhouse with five or six bands on, most of whom spent the time before and after their own slot in the Italian restaurant opposite. That's the era The Band come from.

I think there's a discussion with mileage here …


Entered at Wed Mar 20 14:41:09 CET 2013 from (70.29.29.87)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Wed Mar 20 14:29:53 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Michelle Shocked

It was on the site under articles. I linked, but it's short enough just to cut and paste:

What is a surprise is The Band in 1992 were supporting Michelle Shocked, NOT vice-versa as I assumed. This is from The Boston Globe:

The Silverado concert series got off to a rocky start last night. The club looked great -- with rows of chairs placed on the dance floor to enhance the concert setting -- but the show was sabotaged by disputes beyond the club's control. Headliner Michelle Shocked and her main opening act, The Band, feuded beforehand. The Band ended up not playing -- and the reasons are as varied as the plots on your average daytime soap opera. No one wanted to talk on the record, but it appears that The Band did not want to wait around 90 minutes after their set in order to join Shocked for a finale. The tour has played six cities so far (out of a planned 28) and tension has built up over this issue, with Shocked taking it very personally, sources said. The blowup came yesterday afternoon. Depending on whom you talked to, Shocked gave the promoter an ultimatum that either The Band was off the show, or she was. Shocked's camp denies the ultimatum and is still hoping The Band will be back on the tour, which lands at Carnegie Hall tomorrow. But it was an eerie scene last night, with whispered conversations in corners (The Band's Rick Danko even flitted through the room at one point, at a pace that would have impressed Olympian Carl Lewis), and a sense of total bafflement among the nearly 1,000 fans.

Amazingly, Shocked showed no ill effects from the day's emotional traumas. She and her four-piece band, including former Boston banjoist (and Harvard grad) Alison Brown, pumped out a foot-stomping blend of old-timey/bluegrass music, Western Swing and the kind of wonderfully instructive acoustic experimentation that marks her latest album, "Arkansas Traveler." There were even elements of cornpone humor akin to the "Hee Haw" TV show -- all without any trace (or any mention) of the day's melodrama.ing well and also overcoming a few glitches in the sound system.

Another opener, the ageless bluesman Taj Mahal, opened effectively, reviving archival country blues such as "Freight Train" and "Sitting on Top of the World," plus updating with a touch of burlesque: "Big Legged Mamas are Back in Style." The other opening act, Uncle Tupelo, was less successful, playing acoustically (as opposed to their rowdily electric Neil Young style) and not really pulling it off, though they redeemed themselves when they joined Shocked later on.


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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Wed Mar 20 14:24:57 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Arkansas Traveler

I can't recall the issues with The Band offhand. The track she did with them was "Secret To A Long life."

Michelle Shocked - guitar & vocal / Levon Helm - mandolin & vocals / Garth Hudson - accordion & keyboards / Tony Levin - bass / Jerry Marotta - drums / Albert Lee - guitar

What interested me was Albert Lee on guitar, another stalwart. I got the first Chris Farlowe & The Thunderbirds LP last week … the EMI one before he was on Immediate. That has Albert Lee on guitar and Dave Greenslade on organ, though predates Carl Palmer's work with them.

I did see that Michelle Shocked supported The Band in San Francisco 20 September 1992, and Vassar Clements played with The Band on (at least) Rag Mama Rag.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 12:39:59 CET 2013 from (208.120.36.230)

Posted by:

Jon L

Bill, I too would welcome a refreshing of the details, but I think after Levon guested on her album, there was a Michelle Shocked/The Band mini-tour (circa 1990/91 or so) that ended real abruptly.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 12:36:00 CET 2013 from (208.120.36.230)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

I've been following the Michelle Shocked controversy too. Disgusted by her comments. I too saw her some years back, and she put on a good show. (Even more befuddling today is that she was on a co-bill with NY fave Toshi Reagon, who is about as 'out and proud' as a musician can be.)


Entered at Wed Mar 20 11:41:06 CET 2013 from (72.230.109.86)

Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, NY

Subject: Shocked! Shocked, I say........

Haven't been here in months and months, I'm sorry to say, though I've checked in and lurked a bit here and there. I seem to recollect some controversy with Shocked and The Band, which Peter's review, which I just read, confirms. Memory isn't serving me well, though, and the details are sketchy. This must be the place to find that info? Also - I purchased Down in the Flood the other day, for $14.99. Haven't watched it, yet. Life is good with me, and I hope all's well with you guys........


Entered at Wed Mar 20 10:20:37 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Michelle Shocked

I dug out an old review of when I saw Ms. Shocked in 2001 and put it on my blog. The last but one paragraph may be of relevance! Linked.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 07:33:07 CET 2013 from (180.245.219.94)

Posted by:

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Location: Tasikmalaya
Web: My link

Subject: obat herbal

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Entered at Wed Mar 20 02:57:03 CET 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

Bonk

Location: Cabbagetown.

Subject: Bill M and John D

Hey guys. Just watched a youtube thing on a guy named Ray Hutchison of the Beaumarks fame (Oh clap your hands, clap your hands), and it was saying he was a regular at Le Coq Dor and the Embassy in the early sixties. And then again in the seventies.I used to hang at the Embassy sometimes and remember a guy with a cane who sang as sort of a lounge act and lo and behold, it's the same guy. How come he wasn't mentioned on the Yonge Street Scene awhile back? He must of known our boys at some time if he played on Yonge St. in the sixties.


Entered at Wed Mar 20 01:54:53 CET 2013 from (198.179.198.1)

Posted by:

Calvin

I do sort of miss reading lyrics-thing is there is about a zillion sites that will give you song lyrics for any and all released songs (well most). SO if ya need a fix..........


Entered at Tue Mar 19 23:15:16 CET 2013 from (92.18.211.219)

Posted by:

Solomon

Subject: Bob Dylan And The Band: Down In The Flood

The fairly recent documentary - Bob Dylan And The Band: Down In The Flood is available to watch at hulu.com for our American friends. The UKers will have to make do with the annoying not available in your country message.(


Entered at Tue Mar 19 23:02:31 CET 2013 from (136.167.102.153)

Posted by:

Dave H

Web: My link

Pat B: As a certain Levon Helm once said about Ms. Shocked, "Man, weren't *she* a piece 'a work?"


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Posted by:

David P

I've always been an avid reader of album liner notes and lyric sheets. Sometimes, however, the absence of this material adds a dimension of mystery that draws the listener deeper into the music. Analog versus digital debate aside, the larger graphic format of vinyl is unquestionably superior, especially for those of us with aging eyesight. That reminds me -- recently I ran across an import 2-LP copy of Joan Baez's 1971 album "Blessed Are..." and noticed that, despite her faulty rendition of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down", the correct lyrics were reprinted inside the gate-fold cover.

In addition to higher sound resolution, I recall that another one of the added features of the now almost dead DVD-Audio format was the ability to display lyrics, photos and other info when the player was connected to a video screen. With the DVD-A version of "Music From Big Pink", for example, the lyrics scroll forward on screen as the music plays.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 21:01:08 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Lyric sheets

Sometimes. I've completely entranced by Fay Hield's "Kemp Owen" (traditional Scottish folk song) and can't stop playing it. I Googled the song and found three versions of the lyrics. They added to the experience. The song, home recorded by the look of it, is linked. It's on her album "Looking Glass."


Entered at Tue Mar 19 21:00:58 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bob F: I very much enjoy having the lyrics available to read. I never do read while listening to the music but always do so afterwards. Big problem with the cd sleeves was how small the writing was…….or in the case of Arcade Fire’s last one….a design splattered all over the thing that made it next to impossible to read any of the detail………..and be careful who is thanked…..remember the thanks RR expressed ( including apparently to a few rich guys ) on HTBC threw some here into a tizzy

Lyrics cont……….I also agree with the feelings expressed by band lyricist RR that sometimes it’s better not to know……….I listened to sooo many songs over the years and was never fully sure what all the words were……..A case in point that I have noted here before……..the Stones “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”……I had always thought Jagger very clever to write about a “fifth of antibuse” when in fact he was singing a “50 amp fuse”…..so disappointed when learning this.

…David Bowie’s new single is weirdly catchy and getting massive play on radio stations everywhere…..it’s like he penned the lyrics to it while spending way too much time in front of a tv……but he still has that certain something – doesn’t he?

BEG: Thank you and yes I did misread that list.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 20:26:10 CET 2013 from (68.196.243.226)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Bob, I'm guessing that you are inquiring because you are making decisions regarding your daughter's project. If so, good lyrics are good to read by sight. The reviews of my projects have always included comments from some reviewers that they enjoyed having the eight page booklets including full lyrics. An alternate possibility to a booklet, which likely necessitates the jewel case, is an eco wallet without the lyrics, but putting the lyrics on a website, and including the link to the website in the notes in the eco wallet.

Personally, i like to read everything about a good recording- who played what on which track, writing credits, where it was recorded and when, who the engineer was, where ot was mastered, etc etc etc. Good lyrics, of course.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 19:59:06 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Lyric Sheet

Question for the folks on the Guestbook who still buy cd's or vinyl. Does anyone even look at the lyric sheet anymore? Let's say it's actually new music that your enjoying with good lyrics. Does anyone take the time to read the lyrics while listening to the music? If you buy new music and the lyric sheet isn't included, do you miss it? Thanks for any feedback.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 19:54:12 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Former post-LW Band compatriot Michelle Shocked has evidently decided to end her career the hard way. I won't link but a google search will tell the whole story.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 19:15:31 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Thanks, David. That's a great shame. I'll explain why. British publishers, and I assume American ones too, produce special low-cost textbook editions for Africa and the Third World in general.They do these on cheaper paper, with lower resolution illustrations, and reduce profit margins greatly, and authors share the hit with a greatly reduced royalty. There's general agreement that this is a good and charitable thing, and publishers shave margins to near zero, or even accept a loss.

This court ruling has one obvious response. They're not going to continue to produce cheap editions for the Third World if they can be imported and knock out proper sales.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 18:40:47 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Copyright Ruling Today

Peter V: The U.S. Supreme Court today issued a ruling in a copyright case that might be of interest to you. In a 6-3 opinion written by Justice Stephen Bryer, the Court ruled that textbooks & other goods made & sold abroad can be re-sold online and in discount stores without violating U.S. copyright law. The case, Kirtsaeng, dba Bluechristine99 v. John Wiley & Sons, Inc., involved an individual who moved to the U.S. from Thailand to study mathematics. He got his friends & family to buy foreign edition English-language textbooks in Thai book shops, where they sold at low prices, and mail them to him here. He sold $900,000 worth of books on e-bay and made about $100,000 in profit, as the international editions were essentially the same as the more expensive American editions. A District Court jury had earlier awarded publisher Wiley $600,000 in damages after deciding that Kirtsaeng sale of eight Wiley textbooks without permission was a violation of their copyrights. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals later affirmed that decision, ruling that the "first sale" doctrine permitting importation & resale without the publishers permission did not apply to copies of American copyrighted works manufactured abroad. Today's Supreme Court decision reversed that ruling.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 18:25:16 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Toni Marcus

Sorry about that. I saw a reference referring to "HIM." I was wrong.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 16:27:29 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Listening to our guys performing a Dylan song yesterday, the though struck me that it could almost be seen, with just one word change, as clairvoyance, as if Bob knew in '67 what he'd but up to by the end of the '70s. (I really have no idea how his parents - if alive - took his move to Christianity.)

We carried you in our arms on Independence Day
And now you'd throw us all aside and put us all away
Oh, what dear son beneath the sun could treat a father so?
To wait upon him hand and foot and always tell him "No"
Tears of rage, tears of grief
Why must I always be the thief?
Come to me now, you know we're so low
And life is brief

It was all very painless
When you went out to receive
All that false instruction
Which we never could believe
And now the heart is filled with gold As if it was a purse
But, oh, what kind of love is this
Which goes from bad to worse?

We pointed you the way to go
And scratched your name in sand
Though you just thought it was nothing more
Than a place for you to stand
I want you to know that while we watched
You discovered no one would be true
And I myself was among
The ones who thought
It was just a childish thing to do


Entered at Tue Mar 19 16:23:56 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Manic Compression is a Frustrating Mess

A reasonable amount of compression is often necessary & beneficial. Too much of it not only drastically reduces the difference between loud & soft passages, but also results much higher average volume levels that sound unnatural. Rather than presenting an accurate reproduction of the music as it was played in an actual space or room, it's reconfigured into an artificial concept of what someone thinks sounds best.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 16:18:46 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Toni Marcus played on Van's Into The Music from 1979 so that could have been her on the Benny show in 1962. It certainly looks like her. That was a sterling live band that Van put together, with Pee Wee Ellis on tenor and Mark Isham on trumpet and flugelhorn, Marcus and Katie Kissoon. I believe there is video of this group on Wolfgang's Vault.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 16:13:18 CET 2013 from (24.218.16.94)

Posted by:

Dave H

Yep, the Toni Marcus on the Jack Benny show is the same Toni Marcus who recorded/toured with Van.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 15:42:39 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Toni Marcus

As far as I know, Van's Toni Marcus is male. Also the Jack Benny show was decades ago and they would make our Toni, quite old. However there is nothing wrong with that. Smiley Face.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 15:17:03 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds: March 23: Massey Hall: I am disappointed that I will not yet be in TO to see that show. Listen to the last 3 albums and let me know what you think (if you have not heard them before). I was not a Cave adherent until the recent output. And I love his film music. This is a true talent and he continues to evolve. Anyone who goes, let us know what you think please.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 15:12:08 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

I have no opinion on whether analogue is better than digital, all other things being equal. I do know that I sometimes prefer the warmer sound of my old LPs, but I recognise that that's more the fault of the people making the choices on how to remaster. While my CD player has a special knob that lets me turn the volume down, or even up, it can't do anything to stop every lead guitar break on every hard rock record recorded in the late '60s and early '70s from sounding like it was played on a buzz saw. Does that too have something to do with compression?


Entered at Tue Mar 19 14:55:35 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Just Another Brick in the Wall Limiter

I agree with Pat about the advances in digital technology. Today's digital recording equipment, digital-to-analogue converters and CD players have improved the listening experience. However, where I have a problem with the format, is in the way far too many recordings are mastered. The recording labels and many of the artists themselves think that LOUD is best. Rather than take advantage of digital's wide dynamic range, the trend of the digital loudness war favors increased compression to pump up the volume, reaching levels where poor Nipper's ears bleed from his master's voice.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 14:07:25 CET 2013 from (76.68.48.96)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Is this THE Toni Marcus who performed with Van Morrison?!

Bill M.... ;-D


Entered at Tue Mar 19 05:24:24 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Bill M, as usual, an excellent point.


Entered at Tue Mar 19 00:23:24 CET 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Lennon-McCartney

Paul has said Lennon finagled things... with a chuckle and a wink...


Entered at Mon Mar 18 21:28:29 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Alphabetically challenged

David P mentioned that songwriters continue to earn, and anyway the rule has been changed, so from 1 January 1963 it's 70 years, not 50. But the 1961-1962 hits artists are very unlucky.

The Lennon-McCartney would, I guess, be the same as books. If it's an equal share, alphabetical order is followed. If it's not followed, it shows a unequal contribution. Being a "V" I've suffered it all my life and decide some time ago only to co-write with people whose names begin with W or later.

As I mentioned recently, Alan Price explained to Eric Burdon that his name was on "House of The Rising Sun" (Trad. arranged Alan Price) only because Alan took alphabetical precedence over Eric. Eric was, sadly, too dumb to realize that Burdon came before Price.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 20:14:05 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Only A Northern Song

John: I raised the EU copyright issue last week. Although the duration for sound recordings is 50 years, the duration for the musical compositions themselves is for the life of the authors and 70 years beyond their deaths.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 19:44:42 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Mr. Viney / Royalties

Peter, I'm not sure where my memory is today. Did you say that artists like Dylan & The Beatles (even though copyrights have run out over there) will in fact still continue to get royalties? I hope that's true.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 19:42:03 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Please Please Me Song Writing Credits

It's interesting that on the 50th anniversary of the release of this iconic album, I did not notice; until today that the song writing credits read "McCartney-Lennon." On their 2nd album, it became "Lennon-McCartney." I understand it's because (quite simply) that George Martin just wrote it down that way. Couldn't find out why it became Lennon-McCartney after that.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 19:32:15 CET 2013 from (129.98.207.164)

Posted by:

jed

Subject: famous

Yes,Billy & Joan--Ratners was the king of dairy eateries,but Famous(why do i recall there being a few of them--one on 13th ave. in brooklyn?)was a close second.True,the onion rolls at Ratners were uniquely tasty,but again Famous ran a close second.There was also a superb deli,Bernsteins,on Essex Street.I recall all these places as favorites to munch out on(in) after many great musical performances.Given Bernsteins & Ratners late hours,they were perfect.BTW,Bernstiens had a famous horse meat scandal back in the 40's i believe(?)& their hot dogs had that perfect snap,great egg rolls,excellent sauerkraut & pastrami that was tremendous.Ah,the good ole days when what we ate just didn't matter beyond taste.Who thought of health in those times--today health rules & foods like those are VERY rare treats--if you can still find them of high quality.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 19:19:51 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Wrecking Crew Documentary

John: Perhaps the surviving session players aren't that wealthy. However, maybe some of popular artists, who relied on the Wrecking Crew to record their hits, could come forward to fund the distribution of the film. As I recall, the initial delay in releasing the documentary was because it took time to negotiate and come up with the money to pay all the record labels for the licensing rights to some 130 classic song bites featuring the Wrecking Crew.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 18:40:43 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.225)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Jed and JOan- Yes, Ratners was to die for. I remember reading about them closing, but am not sure if somehow that was halted. There was a place in Brooklyn named The Famous that was on Eastern PArkway ,just as good as Ratners, but closed about 30 - 35 years ago.

Joan, i bought a spinach, a potato, and a kasha. The kasha disappointed us, was not like years ago- they made a potato kasha concoction for the filling. the potato was good. SPinach has not yet been tested biut i suspect it will be a potato and spoinach concoction. the blueberry cheese and cherry cheese knish were tempting, but I'll save picking up some of those for bringing to someone's house, etc etc

Russ and Daughters still has the best appetizing anywhere.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 18:23:17 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: The Lower East Side

Jeff I know it well. Great food. What type of Knish did you have? The neighborhood has changed dramatically.It is now gentrified. My Father grew up in a tenement on Christy Street. Now they are selling condos on the corner of Christy and Delancy. My Dad would be very surprised. I still miss Ratners. Best Onion rolls in the world.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 16:19:24 CET 2013 from (129.98.207.164)

Posted by:

jed

Subject: Billy C

Yonah Schimmel--recall it well & used to still stop by there regularly in the 90's.But,this low carb lifestyle sure limits my reason to visit these days.Still recall Ratners,a Fillmore East neighbor!


Entered at Mon Mar 18 15:09:44 CET 2013 from (184.144.107.169)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Pat B...I knew about your gig with Steve Earle....but not about Van's Hammond organ! :-D This site wouldn't be the same without you. You know that I dig you but I ain't no groupie! ;-D

The friend I spoke about before who's X was a local musician.....some how hung out with Steve back in the chaotic days....I was fortunate enough to catch him at Massey Hall at our Concert Against Landmines and he was on the same bill as Emmylouuu (beautiful presence) Bruce Cockburn (oh his guitar picking), Prine (great storyteller). Ron Sexsmith was in the audience too.

Favourite duet with Steve Earle!


Entered at Mon Mar 18 14:36:25 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: In The Day

Bill M: Don't know which record store/coffee shop you are referring to or who that person is? I think I told you I saw the Dimensions before they were A Passing Fancy (at my high school). They were a great Rolling Stones cover band.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 13:50:22 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Pat B: "I Ain't Ever Satisfied" is my favourite Steve Earle song. I've noticed that others, even here, subscribe to the sentiment, if not the song.

JT: Went again yesterday to the record store / coffeeshop where we was Eugene Smith play in January. Got to talking about the Band to one of the owners, who allowed that she'd seen them as the Hawks at the Le Coq D'Or. Explained that she was kinda young to come in from the 'burbs like that, but some underground musicians at her school kept other students in the know. One was Jay Telfer, so of course we had to run through the Roledex; she knew you too, but not the Concord connection. Kept it under your hat, did you?


Entered at Mon Mar 18 13:18:01 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.225)

Posted by:

B illy C. (Friend0

Now that you mentioned it Pat, you really could just have told us about the recording and the show when you posted that you played with Earle in Ireland. Considering that you posted on St Patrick's day, and the event was a Chicago / Irish poetry/acting/music performance in Ireland, the content, timing and context of the post could have made a natural package. Yes, as you wrote, you were playing with Earle and played Van's B3 , but, that was just one aspect of what the event was, not the point.

"A tribute to the city of Chicago, staged by the Steppenwolf Theatre Company as part of the Galway Arts Festival and featuring poet and artist Tony Fitzpatrick joining Steve for an evening of stories, poetry and song. The two sing Pilgrim together as a closer, dedicated to Dick Cunningham.

This came from the original taper (also responsible for a cracking tape from Hamburg on the Revolution... tour. In addition he sent a single-disc version of this set including only Steve's seven songs, but that doesn't really capture the nature of this event."



Entered at Mon Mar 18 04:01:40 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Sure, Jeff.


Entered at Mon Mar 18 03:05:33 CET 2013 from (173.3.48.160)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Pat, trouble I wouldn't go to. Two names in google, four words total, it was all there, took three minutes all together, maybe four, and i enjoyed the read about the show. And Earle's crack.

Joan- remember Yonah Shimmel's Knishes and Russ and Daughter's Appetizing on Houston St? i hit em both today. Blues and 2 guinness in an old Irish tavern first, then a short walk to food. Today I'm Iwish. ( No Corn beef and Cabbage for me today, except for occassional chicken soup, I became vegetarian bout 6 weeks ago. the one thing i haven't given up though is chicken soup. i don't eat the chicken, but a chicken still had to die to make the soup, so that kills my vegetarian status. )


Entered at Mon Mar 18 00:56:05 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY to you all,,xoxoxo

May love and laughter light your days and warm your heart and home.

May good and faithful friends be yours wherever you may roam.

May peace and plenty bless your world with joy that long endures.

May all life's passing seasons bring the best to you and yours.

Best wishes to you on St. Patrick's Day and always!

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Sun Mar 17 19:15:06 CET 2013 from (98.15.190.173)

Posted by:

John Pelham

Location: Anniston, AL

Subject: Going down to see Bessie

Thank you, Jeb. I was just stopping by to put in my annual message....good timing. I always feel bad about Yellow Tavern every May 12th.

And now for a corned beef dinner. And a toast.


Entered at Sun Mar 17 18:58:49 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Jeb Stuart

Subject: Kelly's Ford

A salute to the best gunner in the cavalry. I can't think of him without crying.


Entered at Sun Mar 17 18:16:30 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Joan and JT, we are all bozos on this bus.


Entered at Sun Mar 17 17:53:00 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Fellow posters

JT I couldn't agree more, I feel very humbled when I read the posts here. I have learned a lot, and sometimes I feel a little like a groupie who has been given a backstage pass, Happy St. Pats


Entered at Sun Mar 17 17:52:51 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Jeff, if you just had asked I could have saved you the effort. There is a live recording from Chicago which NPR broadcast, and I was told someone taped a Nashville show.


Entered at Sun Mar 17 15:48:27 CET 2013 from (68.196.242.209)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

B3 and Earle live? Uncommon enough for me to wonder what kind of show it was and who else was on it - he's used organs on some recordings, not others, Live, didn't seem commonplace for a Steve Earle gig.....

Pat, this was an interesting and unusual event. Did you know there is a live recording of the first of the two nights? Linked above. The night with Van's B3.

It must have been exceptionally satisfying a lot of ways. Your city's Steppenwolf Theater produced it. and you and your friends, got to pay tribute to your hometown of Chicago and play with Earle. All in the land of your ancestors. Had to be big fun. Looks like the actor and poet Fitzpatrick, also being Earle's album cover artist for a long time, was the catalyst..

Earle's remark was priceless : "Here we stand, poised on the precipice, perilously close to performance art. Ah, fuck it."

Enjoy the day folks , i'm heading out for an afternoon of music in a lower east side dive


Entered at Sun Mar 17 14:45:09 CET 2013 from (70.29.28.116)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link


Entered at Sun Mar 17 12:21:26 CET 2013 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

And a happy Paddy's Day to you all. We had a little touch of Sheila's Brush last night, an inch of fresh snow.


Entered at Sun Mar 17 08:37:18 CET 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Couldn't find my Pogues CD so St Patricks day didn't really happen for me.


Entered at Sat Mar 16 21:57:44 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Amazing personnel: We are among royalty

I don't know how others feel here, but when I read the comments from the musicians on this site, I feel privileged. Musical artists are cultural royalty. When I read what the musicians (players, singers, writers, technical people etc)write herein, I realize how lucky we are to be here and share their ideas. I needed to say this. It matters!


Entered at Sat Mar 16 21:11:58 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Generation Records was the place to get boots. What a great store.

BEG, I was playing with Steve Earle in Galway, Ireland. They had to rent a Hammond organ for me. I was shocked to find it was the best Hammond/Leslie I had ever played--and I've recorded on all of Booker T's Hammonds in Memphis. So we play the first night and it was heaven. Before we play again a day or two later, the stage manager calls to say they had to replace the Hammond and could I come in to check it out. I did and it was pretty bad. So we play the show and it was still great but the Hammond felt like it was about 30% of the first one. Oh well. So I see the stage manager and I ask her, "Why did we have to switch out organs?" She says, "The owner had a gig that came about quick and needed it." I asked, "Who was the owner?" She says, "Van Morrison." Well, if anyone is going to own the best Hammond in Ireland, it figures to be Van.

Faugh a Ballach.


Entered at Sat Mar 16 18:59:43 CET 2013 from (208.120.36.230)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: NYC

Hello BEG! Generation Records is likely where I would have sent you for music CDs. I walked by last week and was very pleased to see it's still standing... most of the music shops I used to frequent in/around the Village are now long gone.

And yep, Highline Ballroom is a great place to see a show. It's a medium-sized club with good sound. (From memory, some shows are seated with food/drink minimum & reserved seats, while some are general admission; worth getting tix in advance if you're making the trip.)


Entered at Sat Mar 16 16:35:05 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan

This is a quicky.. Thanx to all posts and links. How wonderful you guys are..

The link came in my browser, for those interested. Thought it was a great tribute to this man who deserves so much for what he's given the world to enjoy..

CYA soon xoxoxoxo


Entered at Sat Mar 16 15:34:31 CET 2013 from (50.101.57.2)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I've seen The Pogues (great show) and The Chieftains (not really my thing but I pretended to be Irish for the celebration) in NYC for St. Paddy's Day....
The show I really wanted to experience with Van as I've seen him a few times and he just doesn't look like he's ever having fun...He still brought joy to me as I'm a huge fan but I would have also loooooved to have seen him with.....Dylan in NYC or in Europe or of course......Toronto!

Long Live The Pogues

Long Live The Chieftains

Rory Gallagher

Phil Lynott (partly)...."The girls are back in town. The girls are back in town."


Entered at Sat Mar 16 15:24:39 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: The "Wrecking Crew" Movie

I'm told that the "Wrecking Crew" movie is coming to Ottawa for one night and monies raised will help to have the movie officially released.

I have a question and I ask this; with a great deal of naivety. This movie was made some time back. It seems like years now that they have been trying to raise money to get it released. There must be many millionaires (today) that were members of The Wrecking Crew. Couldn't they just put up some cash.

I ask this because we now all know the story of how George Harrison single handily saved "The Life of Brian" by financing it; when the movie company bailed on Monty Python. Thus Handmade Films was born.

Just wondering and I'm sure someone out there; with a lot more knowledge than I, might have an answer.

Thank you.


Entered at Sat Mar 16 14:57:09 CET 2013 from (50.101.57.2)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Apologies to Pat Brennan. On Van's "Tupelo Honey" with Toni Marcus....I also really dig the organ playing on this live cut!!!!!!! Yesssss....It's Toni's violin playing and ?? organ playing here that makes this version extra, extra special as the song just levitates.......pure magic and heavenly for this brown eyed girl.

My favourite record store in NYC where I bought Van and The Band and Louuu boots. I remember being in this store with Crabby and we're listening to The Hawks and the sound is terrible and yet everyone wants that particular CD...And someone bought Dylan's "The Great White Wonder" the same day.
Jon Lyness: Do I even have the right store here? Is it still standing? You were the kind one to tell me about this store?
I'm hoping to be back in NYC on June 14 for either Vivino's (saw him on Bluezzz Cruise in NYC with Levon and David Johansen), show with Ciralante (saw him In NYC with the Gurus) and Weider (Gurus) or Garland's Party on June 29! I've never been to the Highline Ballroom. Any thoughts?


Entered at Sat Mar 16 14:31:23 CET 2013 from (50.101.57.2)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

HAPPY ST. PADDY'S DAY TO ALL THE IRISH WOMEN AND MEN OUT THERE!

Here's my absolute favourite video by VAN THE MAN....with help from TONI MARCUS on violin!!!!!!
Yesssss! Let's hear it for the women in music! Where are you now Toni?
Do I remember correctly in Heylin's book on Van that he didn't appreciate her long solos??!! It's her playing on this song that brings extra magic!!!

Long Live Van Morrison!

Long Live Pat Brennan!

Long Live anyone else who is Irish today and tomorrow! Come out of the closet and tell us who you are. ;-D

Our parade is today and my Co-Op is having a party. I'll be wearing green somehow.....Yikes....I think I only have a green t-shirt with the arabic alphabet that my brother brought back from Egypt. I think I'm ok to wear it in Canada.....


Entered at Sat Mar 16 00:15:27 CET 2013 from (81.253.70.169)

Posted by:

Peter V

I don't think for a moment George Martin would have punched in vocals on Twist & Shout. I was hypothezing it being done for the very first time in 2013


Entered at Fri Mar 15 21:25:00 CET 2013 from (69.158.85.236)

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brown eyed girl

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GARLAND JEFFREYS' 70th BIRTHDAY PARTY!!!

Blue Note Jazz Festival
Garland Jeffreys
70th Birthday Party with Very Special Guests
Saturday, June 29, 2013

Showtime @ 8:00 PM
Doors open @ 6:00 PM

Tickets $30 - $75

LONG LIVE GARLAND JEFFREYS!!!!!!!

Maybe Louuuuuuu will be there!!!!!!!!!


Entered at Fri Mar 15 21:22:43 CET 2013 from (173.3.48.238)

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Billy C. (Friend0

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Subject: Maud Speaks On the Looting Case In the Kingston Times

Link above, tiny url.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 20:58:56 CET 2013 from (131.137.247.6)

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sadavid

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Subject: 12th hour tracking

. . . Ian MacDonald excerpt about the Beatles recording "Twist and Shout" -- from an entertaining Slate dot com series 'Blogging the Beatles.'


Entered at Fri Mar 15 20:54:49 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

This is a fairly esoteric subject, but anyone can google "digital vs. analog" and discover innumerable engineers and audiophiles who believe digital is now more accurate than analog. Whether 96/24 is the wave of the future for the public who tends to listen to music on less than ideal systems is certainly open to question. Like someone said to Neil Young, "Does this mean I have to buy Respect again?"


Entered at Fri Mar 15 20:38:36 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

Jeff, I don't choose to ignore anything. In the last eight years there have been tremendous advances in the technologies that have made capturing sound through digital methods as accurate as tape. Digital to Analog (and vice versa) converters are vastly improved. The software is better and other aspects of the hardware are better. Of course, when recording to tape, there is noise and natural compression that people like. Even that can be digitally replicated too.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 19:51:06 CET 2013 from (173.3.48.238)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Pete, the point you did make was that the label or producer would have forced a digital fix upon Lennon. .... My point was like your present one, some times you get what you get. no matter how many full takes or punchs of those songs we tried, we could not get a better take, or could we get a couple of lines that fit... converseley, The Blues Don't Kncok, i asked Larry to give it another go the second day, and he delivered an otherworldly performance.

Pat, you choose to ignore that in the last eight years I've been in studios and took my ears with me... and still speak to the same engineers and owners, and none has said anythign different to me than before. You and i had the same back and forth asnd back and forth several times prior to 2005. this was set pretty much before then,....some studios found ways to diversify to compensate for market loss...but no high end engineer i have met face to face has told me he likes digital recording sound as well a s analogue. Many have told me they have gotten used to the digital language and it's much faster to knock out a project...


Entered at Fri Mar 15 19:35:32 CET 2013 from (86.185.189.36)

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Simon

Web: My link

Peter, John Lennon supposedly had a bad cold when they recorded the bulk of the "Please Please Me" album in one session. You can certainly hear that he's congested and snotty-nosed on Misery and a couple of other tracks. Twist and Shout was the last number of the session and I can recall reading about John's "leather tonsils" on the sleevenotes to the Twist and Shout EP.

As Pat noted the Hey Jude single was mono and I'd highly recommend "The Beatles in Mono" boxset to Bonk, who I'm pretty sure has posted that he's a big Beatles fan. Best boxset ever IMHO. I know David and Todd have said they acquired it ... I was wondering if Peter has any thoughts on it.

The above link is to an article called "24/192 Music Downloads Are Very Silly Indeed". It's largely beyond my ken but it may be of interest to people here.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 17:22:55 CET 2013 from (81.253.70.224)

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Peter V

My point about John Lennon is he wouldn't have got hoarse in the first place. But hoarse is what makes it brilliant.

You don't have topunch in bits. The last day of a four day session of spoken voice, the producer phoned in sick. He told me to produce, as the engineer knew what he was doing and I gave the actors directions anyway. We were doing short four or six line dialogues, and the engineer liked to record the first reading and correct. I said, no, we just do it all again. He was exasperated, but it took little longer, and the actors improve with practic. By the fourth or fifth time, they don't have to read because they remember it. It took only a little longer my way, the result was better, but the engineer was not happy not to be exercising his Pro tools skills. Just because you have the digital tools doesn't mean you have to use them.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 16:55:19 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

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Pat B

Jeff, a lot has changed in the last eight years. Most engineers now prefer recording digitally because it gives you what you hear in the studio more accurately than tape.

Sure, there are lots of people that like to record on tape. I've recorded with Steve Albini a number of times and it is always fantastic.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 15:27:16 CET 2013 from (173.3.48.238)

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Billy C. (Friend0

i don't know recall if Neil Young has commented on whether he has a preference for analogue or digital recording. Perfect Tone is a delivery system, but that is a separate issue. I can't imagine Young liking the sound of digital recpording or discs. Dylan hates digital recording.He is on record about it.Why he has permitted so much of his work to be digitlaly recorded is beyond me. I can't imagine it beinggn the difference in cost.That amount of money is not even pennies to him.

Pat, you wrote that most pros have been working in high res digital sound for a while- yes. With guys that are now over 50, it;s usually for many other reasons, some i believe i stated prior.Not cause they prefer the sound. There are those few spread around the country who refuse to succumb at all, an only work analogue, and then there are a lot more who offer both analogue and digital..You got a guy in your city, steve Albini, who will not record digitally..They bought a protools rig though, Greg Norman, the other engineer there, does record digital when asked to. But apparently still does more analogue recording than not. (judging by what i read in interviews he has given). Most guys over 50 i;ve bee talking to or working with over the last 12 years (that's all) readily admit that they prefer the sound of analogue tape to digital. That unfortuantely has often has little to do with how they work today. And i;ve witnessed this steadily. ( one guy sold his studer not cause he was trying1to,, but because a musican often mentioned here, and often mentioned eveyrwhere, offered him an amount of money for it that he w oudl never ever again be offered. So he sold it. and used the money for improvements at his studio. Said he was kind of sorry that he did but it wasn't effecting his income. we had this cnversation back in 02.He preferred analogue recording, but had already been seeing his digital work increase by multitudes, cause of price. The guys who haven't put their analogue equipment away or sold it,are not hurting for space, or money, and are also usually those who still have enough clientele whose production choices are not driven chiefly by price. When you consider that in most cases a roll of 2" will get you 15 minutes of recorded music at the most, and very often someone wants to hang onto more than one take of a song, then you have your half inch or quarter inch tape to mix to,, If you impossibly squeezed every minute out of the tape, you could be looking at 1600 to 1800 bucks, but considering reality, and the fact that it is not unusual to sometimes have more than one mix of a song before you finally decide which one you will master, it more liekly you'll spend 2000 to 2300 or better , more for tape alone. Then you have all the additional work time, which is huge. quite some hours..
Very High end studio time here, with a high quality engineer, your usually looking at 150 to 225 an hour. so , essentially, to record on tape, that is what you are looking at, plus tape.Digital is available sometimes for as little as 25 bucks to 35 bucks an hour. that is often guys who are good musicias, that started recording gitlaly at home, and will record other peopel for that kind of money, just to have money coming in. There a re also good digital not home studios that youare still loking at 150 an houir too, but more often than not, it's 60 and up in a good digital stuido.there are dozens of em for 80, to 100 bucks with good engineers. When artists are struggling to get by, and the difference in price is that big, what do you think buyers will usually do? - so that is one huge factor that has driven so many good studios and engineers to digital.they are competing with price that can be as little as an eighth to no matter what, less than half the cost of analogue recording.

Up round woodstock, two of the higher end studios that offer analogue are Dreamland and The Clubhouse. I would expect that Applehead still has their Akai, i can;t see Mike selling it, and LHS has a MCI, though MCIs have a rep to be good nechanically, but deader sounding than other tape machines.

Pat, of course very expensive high end, single disc cd players sound great compared to average priced ones. The one i found about three years back was about a S150.00 item. Not a thousand dollar item. but, back 15 and 20years ago $150.00 bucks got you a fine sounding cd player.

Pat, my own recording, last album was 05. I've e been at digital sessions before and since. Listened to plenty of digitally recorded projects. That is why i never have recorded digitally BY CHOICE. I have recorded digitally by necessity in the middle of a project that started out analogue. Peter, you may recall this, Pat you may not know this. On School For Fools, i had a bunch of stuff i had cut in Brooklyn before we started recording in St Louis. In StLouis. Larry put vocals on 3 of those to tape, 2 of those are on the disc. Nether of us were crazy about the engineer's personality, but at the time it was the only tape studio available in st louis. During editing the guy coud be a real bitch. Just how he was.Neithe rof us ejoyed worklign with guy, but both of us were real pleasant and low key. the guy was PMSed out. i ahd the 3 with LArry, and i had a bunch of toher stuff i had already cut with other vocalists.i was looking for 5 songs essentially( was plannign on outting otu a compilation of artists , not a disc by one) . Drummers ins t louis not working out, i called levon and it was not economical to bring him out for one day in the studio so we went with two. Which made sense. At the last minute, i meeet soemoen who quickly became a good friend. he had done lots of recording with Doug, was familiar with his 3M machine, Doug's personaanlity, everything. Warned me to make sure Doug had the machine calibrated before the session. so, Doug promised me he would. i had this new friend attend the sessions and help out in general. Levon comes out We worked essentailly 2 five hour days, that's with lunch breaks. we cut 9 songs, the music was tracked live to tape... no vocalist, me doing some scratch vocals which is a a scary thing..but, larry has a job... . Levon drove out in a blizzard. I had had my hands full with other stuff the days before the session, one of them was an insane and extreme;ly difficult musician, The other was one of my dogs was dying of cancer. . I knew my dog, and though i had arranged for friends to stya with the dogs while i was in the studio, it was real clear smokey was at the end. I really doubted he woudl have made that first day i was in the studio, he was suffering, woudl not eat roast beef from my hand., the first day of the session, real early that morning I actually drove about about 45 minutes thorugh a just done blizzard to take smokey to put him to sleep, sat with him while it was being done, then drove another 45 minutes or more to meet Levon that morning. We hung out several hours, then headed to the studio. Point is, there was alot going on.... Only two of the musicians at the session had any knowledge of the songs,the bassist only knew some of them, and that was from one short rehearsal, essentially held to try out a drumme,r who did not make the grade. still, the first day, the songs were all perfect by the third or at the most,the fourth take. we all listened to the playback of each take, and I and essentially all of us too, were very specifically telling Doug what to keep and what not to.. His tape counter was broken, and he may have smoked some of " someone's" weed, when i wasn't looking..His tape machine was in a corner, surrounded by wires, i never did get near it. .

End of the afternoon, i was exhausted, and in a hurry to get back to my other dog. (that mornign when i left to put smokey to sleep, was the first time i had ever left with one dog, it just wasn;t soemthign that either dog would have ever allowed to happen, they were brothers, joined at the hip.... I;d of sworn bandit knew what was happening, cause he never tried to get off the chair and leashed up. just looked at us.any other time i put leash on one, the other was right there. And Bandfit, who had to be every wherei went, thsi time, he just sat and watched, sadly. anyway, we did not listen back at the end of the day which for me , and probably for Levon too, was unusua.l./But we were listenign back all day long. Second day, we got every song by the second take. another hectic day, Bruce left to get Johnnie and when they arrived, we stopped recording for probably an hour.anyway, that day, same things, we did not listen back.but it was a simple day. Doug told me he needed to hang on to the tape for a day or two, in order to notate evrything properly.that his secretarial work during the session had not been up to speed. Gave me roughs. Again. everything was hectic, but again, we had all been listening all day long, so there was no reason to listen back to the whole project at that point. next morning, i met LEvon and joe, they split...i was still pretty exhausted.Slept for a day, days later,pick up my tapes, more copies of roughs, and at the same time, was realizing i had three weeks to kill till Larry began doing vocals on Saturdays.So, I called Levon, said hey ,man, i'm coming in to kill some time.So, in the car, i'm listening to the roughs and finally realize that 3 of the songs form the first day were not the best takes, and one of em, Lost Dog Blues, was an absolutely horrible take. i figured as goofy as Doug was, he just burned roughs of the wrong takes to disc.So, i get to NY,then head to Levon's. We take the tape to a studio, ,engineer gets it going, and I have Alvin and the Chipmunks playing the blues.Apparently never heard it when we listened back to takes at Doug's cause we were listening back on the same machine. i go back to the city to a studio i was used to working in. They still run both tape and pro tools, but even by that point, it was heavily pro tools.They admit they prefer the sound of tape, but, the workl is pro tools, that is how it is... we never ever figured out what the hell happened.If doug';s machine was just totally loopy, or if he had hit the speed switch. Fact is, no two songs were identically out of speed, and Al was pretty sure that this was something that only an electronic glitch could cause.AnywayThe solution was verispeeding everything into key..., then we dumped eveything into protools. 4tracks were fine, but 4, well,the was no best take. Three of em were usable, Lost Dog blues, not..i had e noug songs, but, Lost Dog Blues had to be on the project. So .i put another sessiosn together, in Woodsotck, We cut 5 songs, 3, including Lost Dog Blues, are on the recording. You Know Who You Are, i wrote about the StLouis engineer. Then, back to manhattan, and i flew Larry in for vocals. We cut his vocals in protools. Back up vocals in protools, sax overdubs in protools, and the B3 on 4songs cut in st louis that needed hammond, in protools..When i mixed in Woodstock, we mixed back to tape. So, i actually have recorded digitally, but it was by necessity. And no tthe whole project, just parts.

Peter, the work is different.but it can work against you also.2005. Vocals. you have the cd. Larry sang "When I see her, my lays complete." I ahd written, "when i see her, my day's complete."Another song, he once sang the word hedge, instead of head.There were other cases int he same song, he got the word right.NMo matter what we did, no matter how may takes of verses, lines, words, we neevr were able to get anything that could punch in and fit the best version of the song. So i left the errors in the lyrics.. studio was too far out of town, and LArry's and teh engineers schedule too different and other things were going on.. so, performance is one thing, sound is another. i don't buy that if John Lennon, at the same age , was faced with digital recording, that he would have allowed them to correct his vocal with auto tune. or any other digital fix.

i wrote this quickly, so there will be mistakes, etc etc.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 14:06:07 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

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Bill M

I don't think I've ever had a real reason to be in a recording studio, but I have on a few occasions tagged along with people who do. Once or twice involved transferring 45s to digital, and on one occasion one of the 45s was the first Paul London and the Capers, with Garth - both the Canadian and US pressings. The engineer pointed out that they differed markedly, as was often the case, he said, because the engineers who did the mastering (I believe it was) came from different schools of thought. The US guys tended to be thinking radio play, while the Canadian guys were of the British tradition and tended to be thinking range of sound. If that's true - and I don't think either of us saw anything wrong with either approach - I suspect that the people who decide which source to use for reissues (when it has to be vinyl), and how to deal with the sound whatever the source, still have to wrestle with aiming for 'commercial' or aiming for 'true'.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 13:33:24 CET 2013 from (65.95.181.212)

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brown eyed girl

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Thank you JD. It costs 10.00 for the Toronto showing of "Ain't In It For My Health" and it's only showing for one night. Check link if you would like to buy tickets.
In NYC it will be showing from April 19-25 at the Cinema Village (right around the corner from where my friend's place was in the Village).

Hey Bonk...My very first 45 was "Hey Jude" and "Whole Lotta Love". I'll never forget how excited and pleased I was to receive a small turntable. My Uncle and Aunt gave me this turntable for Christmas, as they were working at Electrohome at the time. Yes, it was not a good player, but that's all they could afford. Interestingly, I never bought my own turntable, but would like to one day. Instead, I was heavily influenced my an older brother (calls this place a crack site). I bought 8-tracks....Terrible while listening to as an example...."Woodstock" and songs would cut out and you'd have to wait until the next channel kicked in....and then cassettes.....Terrible again as the tape would get all messed up....CDS....I still can't believe that I never bought a really good system as I do have records from the two stores I worked in while I was a student. I would get promo recordings and discounts on others. One of them is a half-mastered Joni Mitchell recording and I have a direct-to disc by Rough Trade with Michael Fonfara (before his days with Louuuu). Although I sold many CDS...I do have many left that should be heard on a really good system....It's on my bucket list.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 13:09:45 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

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John D

Subject: Ain't In It For My Health / Levon Helm Doc

March 21st at the Tiff Lightbox, for one night only. The new Levon Helm documentary. I believe it starts at 7:00 p.m.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 09:26:12 CET 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

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Rod

Subject: format quality and record stores

I listened to the remastered CD of Moondog Matinee today. Compared to other (digital) recordings by more contempory acts the sound was very muddy. I don't have a turntable anymore so I can't listen to the vinyl version to compare it. I find CDs perfectly acceptable though I'm less sure about MP3s.

We have only two sizeable "record" stores left down here in Wellington - though they're tiny compared to the stores I visited in London many years ago. I like them though. They remind me of the stores we had back in the early 70's when I was young. Totally cluttered. You can spend ages searching through their racks and occasionally find something worth buying. That's alot more fun than pressing "down load".


Entered at Fri Mar 15 09:19:04 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

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Peter V

Fascinating. I’ll throw in a few points. Vinyl sounds different, we agree. Partly as Pat says, that’s down to 45 mixes in mono, and compressed to sound a certain way. But what’s a 45? Early 45s had a length limit. Then they found out how to angle the grooves differently, and double the length and we got the EP. The EP was more popular in Europe (we couldn’t afford LPs). EPs were held to be quieter and not quite as good as singles. In fact, the example, Hey Jude is technically an EP in early 1950s terms because of its length, as is Like A Rolling Stone. However, Apple, as part of EMI cut using the full width of the disc. You get Polydor discs from the same era which are the same length as Decca or EMI group 45s, but the grooves only occupy half the area, with a big blank bit in the middle. They don’t sound as good as Decca pressings, but then it’s held that London-American (Decca group) pressings of 45s sound better than original American discs because Decca’s fffr system was plain better than rivals until the early 60s. Move that to LPs, and K-Tel sound awful because they pushed 30 minutes onto a side rather than 20. RCA LPs from the 70s are spoiled because their ultra thin vinyl “for a better sound” sounds worse than thick heavy LPs.

Early CD players sound good because they were high-end expensive items with expensive components throughout. Only Sony & Philips made them. A modern high end one sounds a lot better than early ones, but we’re talking £1000 CD players, not modern £30 drives.

CDs are not an absolute either. A friend demonstrated with my three CD copies of “Beautiful Vision.” The original sounds dull. The first remaster is harsh and cold with overbearing treble on cymbals. The third one, a later remastering exercise, sounds way best. The vinyl LP sounds, to me, better than the first two, but not as good as the third. So we have bad digital and good digital.

My work was spoken voice, The producer I worked with for ten years was ex-BBC. He had two jobs there. Recording live bands several times a week, live in studio, and doing digital transfers of early analogue live tapes. He swears that digital sounds much more like the live band in the studio, but most people don’t hear a live band daily, and will prefer the filter of analogue.

Which brings me onto a major reason why analogue can be better. This is from the spoken voice end, but I suspect it applies to music. With analogue, editing was fiddly. It was easier to do it again. Because you did it many times, performance improved. Now it’s easy to tweak. Easy to cut in a single word. Easy to correct vocal fluffs or retune things. So you get earlier performances. We did some music, and I’ve watched singers doing it line by line, and dropping in individual words. It’s not the same as redoing the song. e.g. think of John Lennon’s voice on Twist & Shout. Wonderful. You wouldn’t get that now. He wouldn’t have been allowed to get that tired. He’d sing a line, then sip honey and lemon or gargle with brandy, then do the next line. BUT that’s nothing to do with the intrinsic sound of digital. It’s just that digital allows you to work differently.

At home, with medium quality equipment, a £200 turntable (not a £50 USB one) will sound very good, probably more involving than a £200 CD player. Cut in a £1000 CD player with a high-quality remaster, or an SACD on an SACD player, and you have a different digital experience. I've never gone for the £1000 plus turntable because I use it a lot for 45s and 45s aren't necessarily improved as expensive pick-ups are too light for 45s. But I know a secondhand dealer who does record fairs with expensive collectable 45s who swears the "top end" for a 45 sound is the classic Technics DJ deck, which was about £400, and which they stopped making only last year, after about 30 years. All DJs had two, and they're common secondhand.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 06:04:59 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

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Pat B

Of course, this kind of discussion gets clouded. Neil Young rightly complains about the sound of mp3's. He has bankrolled a system that delivers high resolution digital sound which recreates analog, as he claims, perfectly. Most pros have been working in the high res audio world for quite a while now. Delivery systems are a different story.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 05:49:54 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

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Pat B

Jeff, is it true you have no experience recording digitally? When was the last time you recorded an album project?


Entered at Fri Mar 15 04:56:08 CET 2013 from (67.87.216.96)

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Billy C. ( Friend0

Quickly, Bonk- downloaded sound is a disaster. Nothing close to what the acutal vinyl or disc even recording sounds like, and even further from what you would hear playing back in the studio.

If Young can deliver full sound in download form, in my ears, that is a contribution almost on the level of inventing the telephone.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 04:49:19 CET 2013 from (67.87.216.96)

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Billy C. (Friend0

Bonk, Big Joe told me about this GB in the spring or summer of 2002. I still avoided computers as much as possible, barely knew how to use one, and when i peeked in here a few times, i was quite amazed at the "veracity" of the "conversations" here. Eventually i began posting. Now to answer your question, one of the things i have been posting about since day one is that in my opinion, digital recording and digital replication sucks. Digital duplication sucks a big fat hairy one. To me, nothing sounds like analogue. And mixing to analogue. I have recorded to tape, then, mixed to tape and digital disc simultaneously. Same music, same analogue recording. . You can hear the difference in the mixes. the taoe mix beats the digital one hands down.

i have also recorded analogue, then just mixed to disc, or just mixed to tape, Never loved my disc mixes even as much as i loved my analgue roughs of the same recordings..

even a great engineer will not sound as good digitally as he does analogue. Too much of the sound is lost, and the quality of the sound is different, which may just be a by product of the loss of the fullness of the sound. i don't know for sure, but that is what i suspect.But i hate it.

there is also a very high degree of digital error possible. the whole way. But, even when you record analogue, if you are making discs, yoyu are mastering digitally. And i have had three name mastering engineers fuck up. #1, and #3, it was their equipment that fucked up.and neither of them wanted to admit it.#1 was a big name, his assistant gave him up, told me that i was absolutely right, and why i was right, told me their burner was on the fritz.Meanwhile, Mr grammy winner was mother fucking me.I gave it back to him in spades, and i was right.Tthe same guy also badmouthed Donald fagen to me...Why, cause Donald wanted a flat transfer, asked for one,this guy EQed it and made ot bigger anyway , donald sent it back ,asked him to give him what he asked for. But the point is, digital equipment fucks up. And fucks up regularly. #3, same thing, i heard it right away.Guy told me i was nuts. First i took it to the guy who mixed it with me, played the mix disc, , played the mnaster disc ( flat transfer), he heard it right away too.So i took it and got it error tested, i was right. it was in "acceptable " limits, but the guy who error tested it assured me that he never woudl send a msater disc out like that, that he woudl ahve gotten it down way lower error wise.

here is the thing.... digital equipoment requires maintenance, same as analogue does,But digital has this myth of being perfect, so people do nto seem to bother with the maintenance. analogue, you can't get away from constant maintenance. YUou have to do it or you are fucked. but digitally, guys dopnt; do it, and it does bite em inb the ass.They try to get away weoth the digital myth, and usually do- hey, it has to sound right, it is digital.

i am sure that analogue cutting of records can have it;s pitfalls. It is far more labor oriented, so aside from maintainign the lathe, there is skill involved i suppose. i do know that even at the age of 14, i recall getting a second copy of The Band, The Brown album, as a birthday present.. and it did not sound near as good as my first still did. So right there, at 14, i encountered differences in sound of the same recording.

Pat B is a producer, and a musician. He strongly disagrees with me regarding digital sound. he says tht he sounds as good digitally as he did on tape. If i am correct, Pat unplugged his analogue equipment many moons ago. i know quite a few guys who have, but they did it out of economic necessity, to be able to compete pricewise to get projects. You save the cost of tape, and you save immense a mounts of time. Mixing analogue is one place that is very very timely. Well worth it though.

There is an odd phenomenon i 've noticed. Odd, because you would think that all musicians would have great ears for sound. i have friends, working musicians, who have made digital recordings that quite honestly suck. one guy, a good friend- some friend of his, with his permission, brought a digital recorder to own of his gigs, recorded it, asked him if he wanted him to make a live cd for him. So they did.My friend paid the guy, and got the recording mixed, and replicated discs. They sound awful. i noticed it right away, didn't say anything. He told me- hey, -----(the drummer) said that he thinks the drums sound funny, i didn't notice it. what do you think? i told him , hey man, we're friends, and i love you, btu the whole thing sounds horrible. He was surporised. and no, i didn't hurt his feelings, we're still tight.I have other friends who know their recordings don't sound great, btu , it is what it is.They don't wan t to spend the money to get great sound. Even in st louis, where there was a tape studio whre the guy owned it forever, and worked for 50 bucks an hour. They could record elsewhere digitally for 25 and hour, save the cost of tape and save time, and 25 bucks a n hour. ,....They figure it's not going to make difference in how many discs they sell, or in how much they can charge for a disc.Cause only diehard fans and drunks in bars are goign to buy them anyway, and that people have gotten used to poorer sound ( btw, late 90s, early2000s, when a real label, from europe or nyc, financed some recordings in st louis, they always went to the tape studio).....To me, the whole thing is a sad state of affairs.

I still haven' recorded digitally. i may, but if i do, it is only because i may be doing some vocals with a lot of different people, and timewise etc, they may not want to fly to NY. So i may end up recording a couple songs digitally, then flying with discs and/or hard drives to get vocals. or i may record on tape, dump it in protools, then fly with discs and/or hard drives. the thought of shipping tapes all over the place is scary, and i';m not up for driving all over the world anymore. Just to mention it, When you drive with tapes, you have to be careful where you position them relative to axles btw...

But yes, digital recording makes me cry. It sounds alot better today than it did a long time ago, but it still sounds brittle, dry, empty, and separated. Drums sound horrible. Much of sound is lost.

Digital radio is awful. Most radio is digitally broadcast today, but there still is a a big difference in sound depending upon if they are playing mp3s or cds or records. You can tell right away. i also can tell if they are playing the original recording of a song, or if they are playing a remastered version.The whole thing sucks, really does.The devil is digital..... Pat B feels otherwise, but hey, this is America. At least he ain't a Republican.

Neil Young has claimed to come up with something that delivers all or most of the sound, and i believe it is too is digital. Young has ears, and apparently has done his homework and his research.

I'm calling it a night. Read ya manana.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 04:05:29 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Digital recording has long been able to recreate sound better than tape. Lots of people like the sound of tape and vinyl, but both introduce noise. Personally, I used to love what Beta SP did to audio.

You can still buy high end cd players. Cheap electronics, no matter what the media, will generally produce cheap sound.

Bonk, the "Hey Jude" single was in mono which would probably be responsible for the music sounding fuller.

btw, I have no agenda.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 03:14:14 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan

LINK: For fans of Bob Dylan. This is a great page to have a look-see..

CYA soon xoxoxo


Entered at Fri Mar 15 03:01:12 CET 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Location: SaltSpring Island/Cabbagetown

Subject: Bob F and Jeff

Hey guys. What's your thought on Neil Young stating that on cd releases and Itunes, only 5-10% of the original recordings can be heard on any given tune. I think he's come up with something called Pure Tone where you hear actual 'studio quality sound' or the actual sound heard by the producers and artists in the studio. He goes on to say that the 45's released in the sixties were actually closer to the original sound than to-days releases. ??? Myself, I have some old 45's of the Beatles from the sixties where the sound is different and one example is 'Hey Jude' That part of the song where Paul sings...and don't you know that it's just you, hey jude, you'll do... is so much fuller on my old 45, even though it's scratched to ratshit. Jeff,you've been a producer. Is this true. Has the actual original sound been lost in to-days releases?


Entered at Fri Mar 15 01:59:08 CET 2013 from (67.87.216.96)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

Bob, sound is sound. Music is about sound. A young musician theoretically should be able to recognize and respect good sound. Good sound being available, might be the only thing that keeps the whole thing from going under. What someone wants to sell at their gigs is up to them. But thinking that vinyl being popular is going to hurt young musicians just doesn;t make sense to me.If vinyl makes a comeback, along with good sound in general making a comeback, then it will be better for any real and dedicated musician.

weeding out the chaff, keeping dedicated and talented peopel in the game, is important. an Ani DiFranco type would still find a way to surv ive today. she was dedicated.

the ability to make inexpensive recordings has really watered down the quality of music..... and what passes for music . and the general perception of what a good recording should cost. A good recording should be costly. that may not sound very democratic- but it is- it allows good engineers to work in good studios, pay their bills, support theirier families, and it allows the public to get good souding music. You want a good suit- you pay for it. Een if you get lucky and somehow get a good suit in a discount store- it is s till alot more than a crappy suit in that same store.

There a re a boatload of people making and selling cds that honestly shouldn't be. No law against it though. but itti does hurt talented people of all ilks. Musicians, engineers, promoters, secretaries, booking agents, studio owners, every one got and gets hurt. separately: there are also loads of people selling shitty spounding cds, cds that they duplicate at home on hteir laptop or multiple dupe towers. The roice of dupe towers has dropped tremendously over the years. Also, there are dupe shops in small offices and peopel shomes that can shoot otu a hundred in the bat of an eyelash....Often, these " artists" are duping music that a label paid them to make, ripping off the very label that paid em for the recording, then selling the inferior sounding disc at their gig. i've seen it. I actually watched a guy make discs, ripped off a european label that paid him for a live recording. sold the discs all over the greater st louis area.Guy had a on again off again drug problem his whole life, was once a very talented singer and bandleader. Dead now. i know of quite a few other peopel who do the same thing this guy did. Pirate from labels that paid em.


Entered at Fri Mar 15 01:12:30 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Jeff,good points but I still don't believe the average music fan can hear the difference. I'm absolutely sure vinyl hurts the young musician. When Ani DiFranco was starting out she use to sell her home made cassettes out of the trunk of her car. That's how she got her gas money to get to the next lousy gig. Let's say someone like Ani is starting out today and spends the entire day driving down from Buffalo to Vassar College to play a show. After the show you break out your cd's for sale to find out these rich kids who have never worked a day in their life only want vinyl. Meanwhile they have their turntable hooked up to their Mac computer so the vinyl really is just another status symbol that has nothing to do with sound quality. The reemergence of vinyl is not going to save anyone or anything. I think it just makes it harder for the artist on the club/small hall circuit. Of course I could be completely wrong. One thing I will say with complete sincerity is I have a ton of vinyl and I wouldn't give up my IPOD for any of it.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 23:07:29 CET 2013 from (67.87.216.96)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

Bob- two cd players can and will sound differently too though. Some of the older cd players are still far better sounding than newer ones. And try to find a single disc player these days. I couldn't get one in Brooklyn 3 tears back, went into manhattan to J&R and they only had one model. it sounded okay, btu then ww hooked it up on a different system and compared with an ancient one, the ancient one sounded brilliant and this one just okay.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 22:58:29 CET 2013 from (67.87.216.96)

Posted by:

Billy C, (Friend0

Bob, people with real ears and no agenda will hear the difference right away.

. to your question- will the return of vinyl make a difference to the working musician? Well, it can make SOME difference to the working artist. The sideman, well, it might help the artist keep the sideman working. it's a kind of trickle down. Though it is too late to reverse the effects of the trickle down destruction that was the result of the invention of the cd, digital recording, popularization of computers, downloading, streaming etc. I still insist, the devil is digital. etc.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 22:53:08 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: vinyl v CD

But I agree … unless you have a good system you won't know. If you have a good system, you'll definitely know.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 22:51:10 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Yes, but in the UK the gigging artist sells the Cd for £10 and the vinyl for £16. Not a dissimilar profit margin, vinyl takes more care BUT CDS are easy to get, vinyl is harder, and I see the vinyl flying off the stalls.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 22:37:55 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

At 9:00, Glenn Frey of the Eagles talks about his favorite albums. At 9:30 he gets interesting.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 22:29:48 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Vinyl Madness

I don't think the return of vinyl is going to help the working musician who depends on selling his or her music on the road to survive. The cost of a cd to manufacture is between 1 to 2 dollars depending on the booklet while the vinyl cost about 8 dollars. With the cd the artist could load the trunk of their car with cases of product, now they have to worry about getting the vinyl to their next show without damage. Far more expensive. I wish someone would do an actual study where you take a couple hundred audio fanatics and see if they can identify the vinyl over the cd.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 21:18:49 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Don't forget the "tie-dye" effect on the Sergeant Pepper inner sleeve (plain paper, not plastic lined). A friend had an original black & gold Parlophone "Please Please Me" signed in her presence by all four Beatles. I told her she couldn't send it to auction in a CBS "Rock Machine" inner sleeve: wrong company, wrong year. It implies the record hasn't been looked after. An EMI sleeve of the era is quite plain, but plastic lined. And any 1963 EMI release has it.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 19:09:53 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Time Capsules

Peter: Decca used to have those "fsss" poly-lined sleeves that were nice. And yes, Columbia and some other labels used to have paper sleeves that pictured the covers other records released around the same time, along with label's release numbers. Then you have curiosities like the first Blue Thumb pressings of Dave Mason's "Alone Together" that not only featured colored, marbled vinyl, but also a gate-fold cover that folded out into a poster. (Band connection: The all-star cast of supporting musicians on that great album included John Simon.) Then there's King Biscuit Boy's "Gooduns" LP on Daffodil that originally came in burlap cloth cover.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 18:41:35 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Reissues

This morning, in my email, I got a "suggestion" from Amazon. Ir said I might be interested in "Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants" I have my copy of the original issue from Prestige. I checked it out and it said it was a remastered from Prestige. I know that before he died, Bobby sold the company, but I disn't know they were reissuing the original recordings


Entered at Thu Mar 14 18:26:55 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Inner sleeves

Ah, but David, if it had been (say) an early Vertigo release then the inner sleeve is essential for the full value (you get the full swirl effect) … but they were excellent and plastic lined in the first place. Inner sleeves are important if they're illustrated or present a time capsule.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 17:58:48 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Vinyl Siding

Yes, shopping for music via the internet can't come anywhere close to the experience of flipping through stacks of records in crates at a record store. Let's say you find a used LP copy of The Brown Album or Stage Fright. You carefully remove the record and inspect it, looking to see if there are any visible signs of wear or scratches. You also look for the lime-green Capitol label used for the original pressings. Then you examine the run-out area of the record for the tell-tale signs of the primo version -- the STERLING (mastering facility) stamp and the "RL' initials of engineer Bob Ludwig.

This past Saturday, at my local used record store, I found an original mono World Pacific label pressing of jazz guitarist Joe Pass' 1967 album "Simplicity". The title says it all, accompanied by piano/organ, vibes, bass & drums, Mr. Pass played some fine, mellow tunes on this release. I happily found that the record & its cover jacket (encased in an outer plastic sleeve) were in great shape and priced at $6.00. Better yet, the standard paper inner sleeve had been replaced with one of those deluxe, anti-static ones, a sure sign that the previous owner was someone who took good care of their records.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 15:33:16 CET 2013 from (174.116.172.227)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Fan Tan Alley

Bill M: I'll have to check Fan Tan Alley when I walk downtown next week when I'm back in Vic. I haven't been to that store in a couple of years, having found what I need at Ditch or Lyle's. However, I did get some good vinyl there in the past. Thanks for reminding me. As for Nanaimo.. I don't know ... next time I venture up there, I'll check it out.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 15:00:08 CET 2013 from (67.87.216.96)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

JT, i am with you. The importance of human interaction is huge, and the importance of actually looking at things, being able to search for things, discover other things, and touch them is huge. I doubt the cost can be less than 25% more to buy a record in a store as opposed to online. The percentage of overhead to income is going to be much higher for a shop owner.

More than just the singular personal and musical shopping experiences is lost when the small shops go under. And this could be extended to any business or industry, not just record shops. We lose the small businsss owner, who knows his product, knows his customers, and may make his customers buying experiences pay greater dividends, both in outcome, and in human terms. And when these kind of businesses go under, the poor bastard may be forced to take some kind of horrible job- working in best buy, circuit City, or for some other kind of chain, or god forbid, running an internet business. As the small businesses go, we all lose personality , service, and knowledge.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 14:39:17 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Peter V: There's something perverse in a lament about the demise of vinyl being issued on paper then DfVD - but with no mention of vinyl, not even laser disc.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 14:20:53 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Last Shop Standing

In the UK, look out for the book, and then the DVD "Last Shop standing" on the topic of surviving vinyl stores. The good independents seem to be holding their ground, partly aided by the great increase in vinyl … I never like buying LPs mail order,


Entered at Thu Mar 14 13:54:34 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Connors / Johnny Cash / Eaglesmith / record stores in Victoria BC
Web: My link

JT: Has the Turntable record shop in FanTan Alley in downtown Vic bitten the dust? Farther afield, but still on Vancouver Island, and a nice spring drive over the Malahat, is the fabulous Fascinating Rhythm in downtown Nanaimo. Blessed on-air by Stuart McLean no less.

I'll risk mentioning Stompin' Tom again because a recent appreciation by Carl Wilson (not THE CW) in the Globe also mentioned Fred Eaglesmith (who I like a lot) and Johnny Cash (who everyone likes a lot, now): "A friend reminded me of a song by Fred Eaglesmith – maybe the most similarly cussed, prolific and rangy Canadian songwriter left after Connors – that asks where everyone eulogizing Johnny Cash in the 2000s had been in 1989: 'His career was fadin’ and his shows weren’t sellin’/ You were listenin’ to heavy metal/ But you sure do like Johnny Cash now.' As recently as 2006, the CBC abruptly refused to air a special they’d taped with Connors. But we sure do like Stompin’ Tom now."

Wilson doesn't mention it, but Fred's first LP, early '80s, was on Stompin' Tom's own Boot label. As was at least one by yet another cuss, Mendelson Joe - and it may even have been the one produced by Band pal-to-be Colin Linden.

BEG: I've started up a whole new paragraph for you - to add that Boot was actually a pretty serious operation, and even had a separate reggae arm, Generation.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 13:24:55 CET 2013 from (174.116.172.227)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria

Subject: Record stores

Jeff: The link you left for the Bleeker Bob film led me to other films about independent record stores and the vinyl resurrection. Its clear that the record store business as we once knew it is disappearing with perhaps 50% or more of the independents now gone in the past decade. Today's young people with exception do not consider the record store a place to go to get their music. The good news...vinyl continues to grow and mainstream music almost always arrives on vinyl. Though one can order vinyl from our favourite shippers (and I do) I am going to make an effort to go to my local record store (Ditch in Victoria) to buy my vinyl. My only concern is that the prices match those on line. I haven't really paid that much attention but if it is close, I will choose the store whenever I can. I'd like those that continue to exist to remain. Maybe just my age, but something will be lost if they all disappear.


Entered at Thu Mar 14 03:15:51 CET 2013 from (180.214.233.34)

Posted by:

Mug Souvenir

Web: My link

Subject: Alvin Lee

With regard to the passing of Alvin Lee, his manager who announced the untimely death was none other than The Band's late 90's manager, Ron Rainey.


Entered at Wed Mar 13 23:46:54 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: RIP Peter Banks

I saw the first version of Yes several times, and they were brilliant. Couple of times at the Marquee. Croydon. Somewhere else I'm trying to remember. I never took to them in their later glory days in fact, but at the time of the first two albums they were phenomenal live.


Entered at Wed Mar 13 22:11:54 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

The guitarist Peter Banks who I admire greatly died last week--it was announced yesterday. He played on the first two Yes albums followed by three albums by his new band, Flash. Although there is next to nothing that connects him or his music to the Band, he was a very creative musician, which I suppose is connection enough.


Entered at Wed Mar 13 18:38:22 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Tom Connors..

Hi guys, what wonderful stuff to read. Not done, but thanks heaps for all.

My link is for any Canadian interested in this tribute to "Stompin' Tom Connors..

Have a good day and again thanks for all the great stuff...

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Wed Mar 13 17:03:26 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Dexy: Good to see you posting. Nice article, though I wish she'd taken aboard Garth's important insights, as set out in Bob Mersereau's book on the top 100 Canadian albums.


Entered at Wed Mar 13 16:18:32 CET 2013 from (24.124.96.66)

Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: HuffPost article on The Weight

Pretty good column at the link above about The Weight.


Entered at Wed Mar 13 15:27:39 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: This & That

joe: My copy of the CD reissue of "So Many Roads" doesn't have any of those sound problems mentioned in those Amazon reviews. However, most often I listen to my old Vanguard LP copies, as I have both the mono & stereo versions. Also have the excellent Cisco audiophile LP reissue from which I burned a CD-R copy. If you have a turntable, Vanguard also released a LP reissue a couple of years ago for Record Store Day, which might still be available.

There's another twist to the 2011 European Union Copyright Directive. After 50 years musicians can terminate their original contracts and get ownership of their recordings, but only if the record label hasn't produced copies of the recordings available to the public within a year of the 50-year passing. As a result, we're going to see a lot of reissues of some recordings that may have been previously been out-of-print.

Here in the U.S., most musicians go after bootleggers at their concerts and crack down those selling counterfeit merchandise near the performance venues. The record labels and the Recording Industry Assoc. of America, through local & federal law enforcement agencies, mainly concentrate going after the duplicating manufacturers that supply street venders. Just in the last few days, such an operation was shut down in Philadelphia.


Entered at Wed Mar 13 15:20:18 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: joe j again

Joe it's also available on iTunes. Another release and it's from 2006. Sounds good to me.


Entered at Wed Mar 13 15:11:25 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: joe j

Well Joe. Don't know if you have a turntable; but the vinyl is available for $5.99 on Amazon. Doesn't get any better. You could then burn it to CD; if you want.


Entered at Wed Mar 13 01:06:28 CET 2013 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: I'll Keep It With Mine / John Hammond

Link is to ?? Dylan's instrumental version??

I've never heard John Hammond's 'So Many Roads'. Amazon reviews warn about the bad sound of 1993 reissue. Any advice anyone?


Entered at Tue Mar 12 23:08:51 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I treasure my row of Telegraphs too, Bob.

When I said Dylan was nonchalant about boots, I meant that efforts to stop them have been very feeble judging by the openness with which they're displayed. Ten years ago, you'd see lots of Van Morrison. Now you never do. That's not lack of interest, but sensible enforcement of his rights, and at concerts they have people checking bags and watching the audience.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 22:01:48 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

David P, check this guy out. Possible acquaintance of Dub and some kind of insider regarding Great White Wonder. They claimed to have paid royalties to their "clients."


Entered at Tue Mar 12 19:55:01 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: John Bauldie

Peter V, you mentioned John Bauldie the other day and that got me digging out his stuff and rereading for the hundred time! Thanks for that. He was a great writer and all around good guy. I use to love to come home from work and find a new issue of the Telegraph in the mail box. My wife has some of her photos (Susan Wallach Fino) in the Bauldie book you mentioned.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 19:40:51 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Boots without Spanish Leather

Dylan has filed lawsuits over bootlegs, beginning with The Great White Wonder (link). In his bio, "Down the Highway: The Life of Bob Dylan", Howard Sounes reported that Dylan's lawyers have filed "numerous lawsuits over the years", but "[t]he nature of bootlegging made it hard to pin down who was responsible." Between his people and those at Sony, I'm sure they're keeping an eye on illegal and gray area releases.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 19:26:46 CET 2013 from (173.76.218.92)

Posted by:

Frank "Santa" Whitehead

Location: the great town of Danvers, MA
Web: My link

Subject: Is most of the band still alive and if so have you thought about getting together and maybe doing a concert, here in Boston, MA??

"R U a boy, or are U a girl? was one of my favorite songs of mine going into the long hair style during the sixty's. I can still close my eyes and vision the guy sitting on the park bench with the camera in the back shooting a pix of a girl sitting next to him!! OOOPPPSSSSSS ! ! ! "that was an Afaganistan hound, I believe"!! The long blonde hair on the dog and the guy sitting next to the dog, I can guarantee you I will never fogret till the day they throu the dirt on me!! I hope you fellows are well, my 70th birthday is comiing up in June of this year. Can't believe time has flown by so fast!! That's it!! You guys were great!! PS Can you still buy a CD of your greatest hits anywhere?? Thanks, Santa Frank!


Entered at Tue Mar 12 19:10:32 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Bob Dylan has seemed pretty nonchalant about bootlegs from Great White Wonder on, let alone the countless CDs since.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 19:02:41 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Davis P

Thanks for asking that question again David. I asked earlier; but no answeras yet. I just ordered the Folksinger - Hummdinger CD. Terrible title; but looks interesting. Thanks to JT I already have the Freewheelin' Outtakes.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 18:15:56 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: artful dodgers

David P: You may well be correct, but good luck to anyone looking to collect - especially those of lesser means than Dylan. Even in the '80s, I noticed that some of the Dutch reissue labels made an awful lot of typos; then I realised that such things provided nifty little best-efforts fig leaves should authorities come calling. "Oh, so that's why I couldn't get the royalties to Tommy Smith; I have him listed on this one as Tommy Smeth. And on this one he's Tommy Smith but with Hilf and Range Songs. Sorry."


Entered at Tue Mar 12 18:00:11 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: EU Confusion

Let's say, in the case of Dylan, the 50-year duration for the copyright of the sound recording performance has expired. However, am I correct that the copyright for the song compositions themselves have a 70-year duration? So, in that case, he's still due songwriting & publishing royalties for those old recordings.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 15:01:12 CET 2013 from (68.196.242.101)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

JT and Bob, you are welcome. Though i did not indicate all indy lables are bad, just that there are all kinds and all kinds of deals, it might be prudent of me to add that as peter indicates that there are good indy labels in the UK, there are good indy labels here too. but, there are lots of shyster operations also. but when you buy a record on a rather smallish indy label, there's a good chance that the artist paid to be on that label. Prestige, recognition, association, whatever the reason. All that said, these labels may also have hard tme collecting from the brick and mortar distriutors they use.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 14:24:11 CET 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Acknowledgement.......That's what I need!

Thanks Bill.......now I feel impotent! Kinda like George Castanza....wading out in the water to pull that golf ball outta that whale!

So long gang..............later.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 11:54:46 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.83)

Posted by:

Bill M

Subject: dag nabbit!

Norm, you're my hero: heading across the blue Pacific like that just to rid the GB of those pesky varmints.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 12:58:25 CET 2013 from (76.69.138.69)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Toronto and Victoria incidentally

Subject: Great film

Jeff: Me too! Thanks for that link to a great film that reminds me of many of the record stores which I visited in many places over the last 45 years. This is a wonderful document of what was and why it meant so much to those of us who grew up and evolved in that time. That experience of flipping through records is one I miss.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 12:25:47 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Bleeker Bob

Jeff, thanks for the Bleeker Bob link. I remember when I first started going there in the 70's they had a pit bull type dog chained behind the counter. They kept the rare records on the wall behind the counter and when you leaned over the counter to check them out the dog wound lunge at you. Just a crazy place but he had great stuff. The day the Dylan movie Renaldo and Clara came out I remember walking down to Bob's after the movie and buying the movie poster for a few dollars.

Amanda Palmer is more of a performance artist then a musician. She's always guest lecturing and performing at Bard College. My daughter is a big fan. I think what Palmer does is very similar to what Lena Lovich was doing in the 70's. Not really my thing but I can appreciate the creativity. Sometimes my daughter will have Palmer on the same playlist as people like Guy Clark and Ani Difranco who I love so I'm thinking I just don't get it. Also, you have to respect the hard work she put into building her fan base.


Entered at Tue Mar 12 09:36:57 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Heylin on Bootlegs

Sorry, Dlew … meant to answer yesterday and got sidetracked. Yes, I have the Heylin, but it's old now, and doesn't keep up with the array of "end of copyright" live Dylan CDs now filling the racks in the UK. But as every Dylan show ever is bootlegged, it would be impossible to keep up. Every time I go to a record fair, I see forty or fifty live Dylan CDs, some very recent. I long ago lost interest in them, but I still look just in case there's something new featuring The Band. While looking for Planet Waves the other day, I found the Italian LPs of Dylan I bought in Italy in the early 80s. These LPs were bootlegs everywhere except Italy, where there was no copyright (then) on live performances. The Band's "Live in Washinton (sic)" CDs was one of these legal in Italy releases, featuring that great drummer Lee Von Helm (sic).

What really astonishes me is the number of Beatles bootlegs, given that they probably have about half an album of unreleased stuff left anyway. It doesn't stop them!


Entered at Tue Mar 12 09:27:52 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Indie labels

A "disambiguation" as wiki calls it. Indie labels means those not distributed by majors. As Jeff says this includes some outfits of dubious financial and moral standing, but certainly in theUK is also a positive term for labels like Stiff, 2-Tone, Rough Trade, Cherry Red, Factory, many of which were artist-centred.

If you can find the recent Mojo with the Robert Fripp interview, he has some interesting points about dealing with UMG (Universal) which run to the problems of these major conglomerates (too important and too busy to actually talk to artistes),


Entered at Tue Mar 12 07:29:45 CET 2013 from (68.196.242.101)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Bleecker Bob's (Record Store) Closing / Grand Theft

Another casualty of high rent.

The writer's paragraph about his indy label s crewing him is quite priceless. For those of you who don't know this, Indie labels work a lot of different ways. Artists often have to pay to be on a indy label, often pay to do their own recording, then may pay the label a cash figure to get their record on it, or pay for the pressing, and then also may have to pay the label for radio promo. No joke. So, if you read this, what this writer encountered really is quite something.

on another note, i went to see a very accomplished guitarist lead a 4 piece last night. Essentially, the same neighbiorhood as Bleecker Bob's, West village. i know this guy from 85, 86, he's toured the world as a sideman with many heavy duty artists. nowmthey;ve either aged to where they are not working, or have died. this guy is probably mid 50s, at the very most 60. so he has a ways to go working. Was playing a very old bar, went on 10:30 sunday night. I walk in, realize i had been in this bar in the late 70s. Anyway, the crowd was a college crowd, and a few peopel 30 and up. Very few old geezers like me...Not sure if the bar pays the band or not, but i suspect not or a minimal amount. there are many places in NY that you don't get paid to play. My friend was working the tip jar after each of 4 sets. Carried it through the bar himself, the kids knew they needed to cough up but were reasonably cheap. My friend was also selling his cds, 10 for one, and 5 for an older one. One kid, 22, 23 years old, actually walked up to us while we were bullshitting, asked him if he woud give him a cd for free. no joke. His response was , i wish i could do that, but I just can't. This is how i make a living. Well, this preppy fuck kept going, said well, I put a twenty in the tip jar a while ago, maybe you will just give me a cd for the hell of it- .../My friend handled it wel,, said well,the two things are separate. The cdss are my expense, and the tips are how i and the whole band get paid for playing here.

Obviosuly, if thios kid had been the type to put twenty in the tip jar, he would also not be the type to ask for a free cd. .....he was a punk, but the point is, people expect music to be free, and it will eventually completely kill the quality of music...if any one read that story i linked the other day, that woman, Amanda Palmer , and other people like here, are part of the problem. they say they believe music should be free, but after they have found other ways to get paid for it, in her case, excessively well, - By the way, she got handed a lot of grief, because she was advertising for horn sections to gig with her in each city- and not get paid but do it for the experiennce of playing with her band...Raised 1.2 million i tihnkit was , on kickstarter, doesn't want t pay musicians...

the Name OF Her Band Is Amanda Palmer And The Grand Theft Orchestra.... ironic - or honest?


Entered at Tue Mar 12 00:17:24 CET 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Those termites

Calm down Jan!...........don't we get to shoot 'em???

I'm away to sea again tomorrow morning folks. Stay well and look after each other....yoho....yoho


Entered at Mon Mar 11 21:47:19 CET 2013 from (85.255.44.134)

Posted by:

jh

May all you bloody annoying Asian ad posters please get the h**l out of here? Now! Thanks.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 19:32:48 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

The EU ruling isn't fair on those who had their career peak (say) 1961-1962, as they've already lost it because the change is not retroactive. But someone whose career peak was 1963 is fine. They've been saved. Lucky Beatles. Lucky Stones. Unlucky (say) John Leyton or Estate of Billy Fury.

That's why Ace reissues are so prized … they do pay to get to the best masters.

A relative who is vehemently anti- EU told me that in the original discussions on copyright on music, Britain had vastly more copyright holders than any other EU country (naturally given that English IS the language of rock), then the major record labels are based / part-owned in the UK, Germany and The Netherlands. Period. So three countries had more vested interest in extending copyright than the rest and were outvoted. There may be some truth in it (which I wouldn't extend to his other EU opinions. Well, he's right on apples too. The EU has meant crap uniform apples at the expense of tastier local varieties).


Entered at Mon Mar 11 19:03:58 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Possession is nine-tenths of the law

I guess another twist to the copyright situation is that even though music labels will lose copyrights on sound recordings, they will for the most part retain ownership of the original multi-tracks and masters of those recordings. So once these recordings enter the public domain, needle-drops and digital clones will be used for most reissues, resulting in inferior sound. Can't imagine the major labels letting other companies use their original masters without paying a high fee.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 19:00:26 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Finally got around to picking up Matt Andersen's 2011 CD, "Coal Mining Blues", recorded at Levon's studio with Amy on background vocals and Garth on accordion. Produced by Colin Linden, so sounds very BARKy - except with a lower voice singing lead.

David P: You might appreciate the fact that many of the songs sound like a Bob Mosely comeback album.

BEG: I got the CD at Village Vinyl in New Toronto, where we'd gone to hear Michelle Rumball sing and play in the coffeshop area at the front of the record store. Last week I mentioned that Charlie Angus had been in the Grievous Angels between L'Etranger and Parliament Hill; Michelle was the co-founder of that band, so interesting timing.

Re Stompin' Tom, I thought the attached appreciation, written the Globe and Mail's Irish-born and raised TV critic might help other 'foreigners' understand what we Canuckistanis see in the guy. By the way, one of Dave Bidini's books is "On a Cold Road", a compilation of his and other musicians' road stories from which I borrowed the Amos Garrett anecdote re Vaughan Meader that I mentioned a little while ago.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 18:35:01 CET 2013 from (131.137.247.6)

Posted by:

sadavid

Subject: really

joe j: thanks for the Allman link; uncanny how much Gregg A. sounds like Gary Brooker . . . also 'Tears of Rage' not unlike 'A Whiter Shade of Pale.'
Or, as they say, a general vice versa.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 17:23:10 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Use It Or Lose It

The European Union copyright rules are confusing. It's my understanding that in 2011 the EU agreed to extend the duration 20 years to 70, but that provision doesn't go into effect until next year, leaving a gap period for some recordings. Then there's the "use it or lose it" clause that allows music labels to extend the period by issuing recordings before the 50-year expiration. This is what Sony did recently with the extremely limited release of The Copyright Extension Collection set of Dylan rarities.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 16:15:47 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Correction

Thanks to Ian W for e-mailing me on this.

UK copyright 50 years after release; if not released, 50 years after making (sound recordings). EU Directive 2011/77/EU, extending this period to 70 years from 1 November 2013, has been adopted but not yet ratified by Parliament. Phonograms already out of copyright in 2013 will not be retroactively protected.

So basically the stuff to 31 December 1962 lost it, but it's now been extended to 70 years but as it says "not retroactively."

I looked on the net and it's known as Cliff's Law because Cliff Richard campaigned for this on everyone else's behalf. It means the "pension" of a lot of musicians is protected (though they lost 1958-1962 stuff).


Entered at Mon Mar 11 14:31:22 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Are they "boots"?

Sorry, forgot that. No. Boots are without permission. No permission is needed. They can copy them off CDs and with most equipment that'll be fine. Hence this "Moon in June Digital remaster" issue, which may reset copyright on the remaster. I don't know if it does.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 14:29:28 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Several issues. Ace prefer to pay and have full access to the masters, and anyway they're "good guys." So their stuff is fully legal in a traditional way.

This non-copyright stuff is straight that. All music copyrights expire throughout the EU if it was recorded before 31st December 1962. And on 31 December 2013, then the whole of 1963 is up for grabs. By anyone. No payment due in Europe. This has been an issue for a few years. Cliff Richard, who started losing his stuff in 2008 (he started his career in 1958) loaned Tony Blair his villa for a holiday, it's said when everyone was trying to extend copyright to the US 75 year but Tone didn't deliver the goods. There was a lot of publicity, because Love Me Do fell out on 31 December, and next year, the first Beatles album becomes freely available.

An oddity is Happy Birthday To You, still in copyright through some clever legal jiggery pokey.

Similar happens with books. I know with adapted readers for foreign students, the publishers focus strongly on out of copyright stuff, in Europe 70 years after the author's death. I believe F. Scott Fitzgerald fell out last year (died December 1941) and suddenly stores are full of nice reissues of F. Scott Fitzgerald classics. Now it's reached early Beatles and early Dylan.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 14:10:44 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: One Last Question Peter

Are these albums "boots"? I guess I'm asking about quality of the recordings actually. If copyright has run out would they have access to masters; or mothers as they are sometimes called.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 13:55:37 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Copyrights

OK Peter, I have to come clean that this subject is way above my pay scale. When I showed my wife last night. the early Beatles material and the Dylan stuff, she was flabbergasted. She asked me a simple question. Why can't they just simply extend; or renew copyright's? I understand that; after 50 years that everything is kind of up for grabs??? I'm thinking if I were an emerging artist, I would try to make it a 100 years for example.

So for those of us NOT in the know, could you explain in layman's terms how a Bob Dylan ; or The Beatles lose their rights to the songs they have written and do they still get paid for these releases? Thanks Peter.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 11:58:26 CET 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Ian woodward

Just out of curiosity, do you have any musical relatives in Sydney?

and Peter V: I presume you know Clinton Heylin's book on bootlegs, which is definitive. (I may have asked you htis already...)


Entered at Mon Mar 11 11:01:31 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: "End of copyright" stuff

There are a lot of "label" compilations: The Pye International Story, The Colpix Story, Cameo-Parkway 1962, Sticks & Stones - The Sue Records Story, The Top Rank Story 1960, The Top Rank Story 1961, Stampede- The United Artists Story, The London American EP Collection, Twist & Shout - The Stateside Story.

Most run to two or three CDs for about £6. There are of great interest to me because i'm working on a book on UK record labels, and they put it all in one place for each label.

Quality? The benchmark on quality for reissues is always the Ace label: back to the original masters, meticulous remastering, definitive sleeve notes with illustrations of adverts for 45s, or the 45s. So they'll put out London American 1961 as a full price (£12.00) single CD and work with the original labels. The really big "out of copyright" label, One Day, has a 2 CD set for London American 1961 at £6. Believe me, where cuts are duplicated, the Ace sounds better, virtually always. But most of these out of copyright issues are good. I mean, they can buy up a great pile of CDs and lift stuff. Even if you had to use vinyl, it's easy to process it nicely nowadays. But I assume mostly they use CDs.

I notice now on iTunes you'll find a track twice, e.g. The Moon in June, and The Moon in June Digital Remaster. I wonder if that's a way of reasserting copyright in the remastering. If so, I hope it works! As I say, these compilations are useful to me, they include obscurities that would cost a lot IF you could ever find them, and are put together by someone who has researched it and does know. Even the sleeve notes, though meagre by Ace standards, are OK. Even so, I believe the US copyright term is right, NOT the European one that's producing ll this stuff. Look under "Bob Dylan" at amazon.co.uk. All those early tapes are now legally available. Anything up to December 31st 1962. But I assume they're market restricted to Europe.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 01:26:17 CET 2013 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Tears of Rage

Think it's been linked before but it's worth a relisten. Gregg Allman. Great vocal.


Entered at Mon Mar 11 00:57:43 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Subject: Quality

Peter V, what is the quality of the end of copyright releases? Did they just make copies of the bootlegs or is it higher sound quality?


Entered at Mon Mar 11 00:56:41 CET 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

ian woodward

Location: UK

Subject: 1966 again

My comments on the 1966 tours were taken from an article I wrote last year for ISIS magazine.

Advertising for the shows in the early part of 1966 was often at fairly short notice. For example, the Albuquerque show on 19 March 1966 was announced in the local newspaper on 21 February, barely a month beforehand. Similarly, the El Paso show on 20 March 1966 was announced in the local press on 26 February. Neither show took place in the end, as I said before.

I would have expected the 6 August Yale Bowl and the 13 August Shea Stadiun concerts to have been advertised but have not found anything in a newspaper prior to Dylan's motorbike accident. This is perhaps an opportunity to suggest that there is ample scope for those so inclined to go digging in local newspaper records for announcements of shows, advertisements, previews, reviews and even interviews or gossip. If you find anything and post it here, I'm sure Peter V will let me know. I don't spend much time in chat rooms.

The aforementioned ISIS article cited some 50 sources, many of them more or less contemporary and the majority American in origin. If this can be done from the UK, it must surely be easier from that side of the Atlantic. It can be fun. The Shea Stadium promoter was Harry Bloomfield, so what about this for a great headline: "Harry Bloomfield's Concerts at Shea in Forced Foldo After Batman Fiasco". I mean, it's priceless really. It was from VARIETY, noted for this sort of thing.

Regarding that Shea Stadium concert, Mickey Jones had referred to the involvement of Peter, Paul and Mary and, while I have no newspaper report, I do have a photocopy of a flyer-cum-ticket-application-form that mentions three of the shows in this "Concerts at the Shea" series, one of which was the "BOB DYLAN and PETER,PAUL & MARY" concert on 13 August 1966. It was Mickey who said that the latter would open (and Dylan would close) the show. I presume that part of the thinking was that PP&M would do their standard "folk" act and Dylan could simply do an "electric" set, without having to go through the acoustic "schtick".

There is, however, no evidence that Dylan planned this arrangement (or anything like it) at other shows, though it is intriguing to speculate that, just maybe, the late 1966 and early 1967 shows would have been all electric. There is evidence that concerts in that period were being contemplated at colleges/universities.

For PSB - I guess you must be referring to my talk on Richard Farina. I felt a bit out of place that day as the others were clearly academics notching up another conference paper for their CVs (resumés, to those of you in the USA). I have never been an academic, so adopted a somewhat different style of delivery. I'm not sure how it went down with the acedemics but so it goes. Most of what I said later appeared in the David Hajdu book, I think.


Entered at Sun Mar 10 23:45:10 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

John, right next to it they had a CD called "Freewheelin' Outtakes" another "end of copyright" release. There are many early Dylan CDs … boots which are now legal.

Some post-copyright releases are irresistible … one company has two 5 CD sets (Jan-Jun 1062, Jul-Dec 1962) with every record that entered the UK chart in 1962 … including Love Me Do. It's ALL out of copyright in Europe.


Entered at Sun Mar 10 22:21:24 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: More Basement

Should have waited for your post Peter.


Entered at Sun Mar 10 22:18:52 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Basement Tapes Influences.

Well. I see it is on a label called Chrome Dreams. Is this authorized by Dylan? Is this a bootleg; since its not on Dylan's Columbia label? Just wondering.


Entered at Sun Mar 10 22:17:20 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: Basement Tapes Influences

Yes, it's on amazon.co.uk too. It is a typical European "end of copyright" release which the stores are laden with here … anything up to 1962 is copyright free, though not in North America. It's clearly total bullshit in claiming to be "the original versions" though some selections, like Ronnie Hawkins doing You Win Again are interesting anyway. But The Clancy Bros are not the first to do Rosin Le Beau, and the spelling errors : Elvis Preseley. Bonnie Stop The Diamond, may indicate a less than careful compiler. BUT See That My Grave Is Kept Clean by Blind Lemon Jefferson is an original, as is Tupelo Blues by John Lee Hooker. Bells of Rhymney by Pete Seeger? He was the first to claim credit for this trad. song.

I'd say it's a typical "post-copyright cash-in" but I'll order one anyway.


Entered at Sun Mar 10 20:10:40 CET 2013 from (108.217.93.87)

Posted by:

glenn t

Subject: Basement Tapes Influences

Just saw this on Amazon.com (to be released in April): Basement Tapes Influences: Original Versions of the Big Pink Recordings. "The recordings that took place during '67 at "The Big Pink" represent Bob Dylan's most productive song writing period ever. Backed by The Band, Dylan committed well over a 100 songs to tape, resulting in a kaleidoscope of American music known as "The Basement Tapes". This CD compilation collects together the originals of 26 of the tracks recorded during this sublime period of creativity."


Entered at Sun Mar 10 03:35:37 CET 2013 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Subject: Typin

Ain't in Muddy's league.


Entered at Sun Mar 10 02:03:55 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.85)

Posted by:

Bill M

Joe J: Given your obvious ability to multitask, shouldn't the theme song be Muddy's "Rollin' and Typin'"?


Entered at Sun Mar 10 01:17:49 CET 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Goodbye Joe

So.......Joe got his wife back!......You be gentle with that sweet young thing Joe...........you brute!


Entered at Sun Mar 10 00:26:49 CET 2013 from (74.103.202.73)

Posted by:

Mike m

Subject: Planet waves Ron Fraboni et al

Thanks Joan , pat and Peter for the link and playing trivia. Nice to know you can go online and have good conversation.ive posted on this site since 1999 but very sporadically. I recognize most of the posters go back that far as well always enjoy people who appreciate the band as we aren't mainstream.have any of you ever seen the band with their original lineup?I was fortunate to see them a few times on their final tour in 1976 good memories for the most part


Entered at Sat Mar 9 22:45:07 CET 2013 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

I'm rollin in my sweet baby's arms, rolling in my sweet baby's arms......


Entered at Sat Mar 9 21:08:44 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

A great interview with Rob Fraboni about recording Planet Waves.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 19:46:51 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Intl. Woman's day

BEG thank you for the shout out. In general I have been treated very kindly.

Re Carly Simon's You're so vain. Ms. Simon came out about a year ago and said the subject of the song was David Geffen


Entered at Sat Mar 9 19:36:22 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

As in the USA, the charts are not reliable. I double-checked … Planet Waves was #7 in the BBC chart used by Guinness chart books, but #4 in New Musical Express which is what we actually read at the time.

To add perspective, the Guinness / BBC charts have John Wesley Harding, Nashville Skyline, Self Portrait (yes) and New Morning getting to #1 in the UK (none of them did in the USA), so #7 was disappointing. One could add that a particular chart position in February represents fewer sales than the same position in December.

It's a whole other discussion. Larry Harris of Casablanca Records said:

A record company would tell the Billboard chart department, headed by Bill Wardlow, how many copies of an album it had sold and what level of airplay the album was getting; it would also inform Billboard about any special initiatives such as tours or advertising blitzes. Bill would somehow rate this information – I still firmly believe he used a Ouija board – and decide where to place the album. The singles charts were based on a combination of Top 40 airplay and sales, weighted more heavily towards airplay.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 19:32:09 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Mike, in fact the Eagles were not a cash cow. Their Desperado album had flopped and they were having all kinds of problems with their producer, Glyn Johns. The members of the group were pissed because they were broke. Geffen gladly let them go because he thought they had already peaked.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 19:24:03 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Planet Waves

Sorry, panic attack. I just went to get my copy of Planet Waves and couldn’t find it. Then I realized it was stored in The Band section not the Dylan section. I’d forgotten. My copy is a US import on Asylum (and is fine), but it reminds me there was a sufficient gap in release dates to make it worth someone’s effort in importing some. Was it two weeks? Wasn’t there an issue with the elaborate wrapping? It’s on textured card, with a separate sheet of gold paper wrapped partly round the back, then shrink wrapped with a BOB DYLAN sticker on the shrinkwrap, because like Big Pink, he’d neglected to put his name on the front.

I’d heard the problem with bad pressings in the USA is that they use different plants regionally, so if some are bad in an area, a lot tend to be. In the Uk they tended to mix them up ‘nationally’ so bad copies were more thinly, but widely spread.

British copies are in a shiny glossy sleeves with the name printed on, so less desirable until now, when I realized that Island will probably be better pressings … but when an album is printed in quantities, especially in Britain, labels sub-contract pressing to other labels. It’s most noticeable with The Beatles where there are pressings from four of the then five labels in early singles. (You can tell by the edge and the centre).

In the UK charts, it got to #7, not fantastic by his recent UK standards.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 19:20:05 CET 2013 from (74.103.202.73)

Posted by:

Mike m

Subject: All that stuf f and the eagles

Never heard that on e about bad pressings.i did buy it on lp but don't think I ever played the album, maybe once. Eight tracks and cassettes were pretty big around this time so you buy the eight track which would unravel onto your front seat, buy the cassette which was a major improvement or purchase the lp and make your own recordings on tape .this is what a lot of us were doing at the time.we would just borrow an album we didn't have and tape it or vice versa.its funny but I remember we young guys who didn't have much disposable income after shelling out a ridiculous five dollars to fill our gas tanks!, yeah you heard right five dollars then the five dollars for beer and that didn't leave much.as for the Dylan /band tour not being filmed I always found that interesting but I guess the money wasn't as enticing back when you were limited to just tv. The VCR didn't come for another two years never mind DVD and YouTube. As far as the eagles go they were already a huge cash cow so I guess geffen would like that one back.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 18:09:07 CET 2013 from (72.78.46.134)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: All that stuff

Ian, thanks for the contribution. I saw you speak years ago and the Robert Shelton Dylan Convention in Liverpool.

No one knew it at the time, but Dylan only signed for one album with Asylum. Elektra and Asylum had already merged and there was a point where Planet Waves, Court & Spark and Hotcakes held the top 3 positions on the Billboard chart and Robbie played on all of them. When it came time for Before The Flood, Dylan wanted to sell the album on TV. Luckily he was talked out of that notion. It may just have been a business ploy in his part because what resulted was a bidding war for the album, and he ended up giving it to Geffen (reportedly) because of his help with the tour. However, shortly after its release within a few days, it was announced he had signed with Columbia. The issue with Planet Waves was there was a large amount of returns. At that time the charts were determined initially by advance orders. But there was a problem with Planet Waves, bad pressings. I worked for what was then the largest record store chain in the US at the time Sam Goody's and just for that one store, our returns were extensive. I brought back several myself and eventually gave up.

The strange thing about those scheduled concerts in the summer of '66 is I recall no ads. Yes, I was at a summer camp, but it being sort of intellectual summer camp, we read the times everyday, along with campers and counselors included numerous Dylan fans. Not only that, people there knew Dylan, because his former girlfriend Suze Rotolo had attended the camp. The previous summer camp ended on the day of the Forest Hills concert, and several of us went right from where the busses dropped us off at Union Square to Forest Hills.

I do find the billing of Peter, Paul & Mary opening for Dylan difficult to imagine. That wasn't Grossman's style and there weren't at that point of time opening acts at Dylan shows.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 17:39:53 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Ian, thank you for the great info.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 17:35:17 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

It was also right around this time that Geffen made one of the dumber moves of his life--he let the Eagles out of their management contract with him.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 17:30:56 CET 2013 from (76.68.49.250)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Bob Dylan couldn’t make it to Yale Bowl on that August night in the ’60s

Jersey Girl...I sure wish you would contribute more to this site as I'm always in awe of how well you can communicatel. When Robbie has his meet and greet for his memoirs in Toronto I would love if you and Claire and anyone else you could get together could make the trip here and I'll show you around. Something to think about? I'm not holding my breath for him to play live in Toronto.....
Again....Heartfelt thanks for everything.
Btw, The only other person who wished me a Happy International Women's Day was.....Mr. Maximus who votes NDP (New Democratic Party) like myself.

Hi Kevin J...Check the list once again. Many thanks for your astute observations which are much appreciated. And thanks for the video with MP's Charlie Angus and Andrew Cash!!!!!!

Bill M...I also like Joe Cocker's cover of Robbie's "Out of the Blue" as well. Mary Margart O'Hara's is special for sure.....She seems to be chaneling Dylan ever so slightly.

JD and JT...Both of you and your main squeeeeezes are also very welcome to join us for the Weber Brothers' Tribute to Levon Helm....or if you see me....say hello.

Welcome Ian Woodward! At one time I had three book shelves of books on Dylan. First time I saw him was in 1975 in Niagara Falls, New York and Toronto. I still have the Dylan booklet where the cover shows him using his fingers to look like glasses. Yesssss! I missed him and The Band by one year as I wasn't living in Toronto at that time..... :-((((((
Could you share any recollections of the 1965 shows?


Entered at Sat Mar 9 16:40:07 CET 2013 from (198.228.201.156)

Posted by:

Mike m

Subject: Planet waves David geffen

Peter. Thanks for the input. You are correct, Dylan did blame the record company for the slow sales. And planet waves was recorded in three sessions prior to tour 74 which started in 1973.david geffen was the other common thread as all three albums, planet waves,court and spark and hotcakes were all on Electra or asylum records which would eventually merge with geffen at the reins.joni Mitchell's free man in Paris was written about geffen after he had treated the robertsons and Mitchell on a trip to Paris.robbies version was that free man in Paris referred to David not being arrested for skipping out of the restaurant after treating them to dinner because he forgot his wallet. Jokingly I assume but the lyrics tell the real intent telling the story of an up and coming star maker trying to get away from it all. And of course Carly Simon was also associated with geffen, your so vain included geffen as one of the possible subjects as well as mick jagger. Of course geffen would rise to the superstardom status with geffen records and eventually part of skg records where robbie robertson was retained as a musical director executive.


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Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: A breath of fresh air

Ian Woodward: That was refreshing. Thank you.


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Posted by:

Tim

Location: Boston

Subject: Grandwazir

Hi Grandwazir. I was not at that show but I am working on their live touring archives. I have the ad for that show, maybe an article referencing the show but no mention of Jaco do you have a ticket stub? If so I'll share my email. Thanks Tim


Entered at Sat Mar 9 12:48:21 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian Bell / Peter V

Just read Peter's review. I feel better now.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ian Bell

Well, I don't know when this book was published; but it seemed very interesting; from what I've read here. Therefore I went to Amazon. They want $72.00 American. Sorry Ian, your too expensive for me.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 12:27:28 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: June 66 to March 67

This era always fascinated me. I knew they were on retainer, and that they didn't get started on doing anything. These ever-receding tour dates explain a lot. They mainly couldn't see more than two months into the future, so had no time to plan to start on anything else. They weren't going to take gigs as a group (were they allowed to under the retainer, I wonder?) because their current drummer was in California, waiting too.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Many thanks, Ian.


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Posted by:

Peter V

Examples of Bell's inimitable style:

“The 1966 tour scorched Dylan;s soul. In ended him, in this incarnation, once and for all.”

“His exhaustion was profound. His mood swings like the arc of a pendulum.”

“He was sick to the point of speechlessness”

“the otherwise dismal Rainy Day Women would prove a certfied hit”

“They had, as the saying goes, paid their dues”

“Dylan & The Hawks were still cutting through the cold skies over America in Grossman’s lumbering jet as though Buddy Holly had never fallen to earth.”

It reminds me of Robbie saying that he disliked Hoskyn's book because it dares say what they were thinking, or what they said within a room. Bell does have some insightful points, but apparently this is what is called "literary biography" rather than "biography."


Entered at Sat Mar 9 12:01:20 CET 2013 from (62.255.114.101)

Posted by:

ian woodward

Location: UK

Subject: White Plains 1966 and other "lost" shows

First visit here.

As Peter said, Mickey Jones confirmed that there was no show at White Plains in June 1966.

Earlier in the year, shows advertised etc. in Albuquerque (19 March 1966) and El Paso (20 March) were cancelled at the last minute because Dylan was said to be "ill", though there is a report that Dylan gave the tour party a period off following the Denver show (13 March).

Despite internet listings of a show in Tacoma (variously given as 24 March and 27 March), someone checked the local newspaper archives on my behalf and could find no mention of Dylan appearing there in 1966.

Similarly, I have been unable to find any "footprint" for concerts in California in March 1966 and, believing that, if such concerts had taken place, there would be some such evidence, I have concluded that those shows simply didn't happen, despite their being mentioned and/or listed in on-line sources

A concert in Spokane on 27 March 1966 was advertised etc but this, too, was cancelled at the last minute, the reason given being that the truck with the sound equipment had broken down

Dylan was due to appear at the Newport Folk Festival in 1966 (he was listed in festival advertisements and it was reported in BILLBOARD) but it seems that manager Albert Grossman withdrew all his artists from the festival that year.

The first show scheduled after Dylan's crash was on 6 August 1966 at Yale Bowl but THE NEW YORK TIMES was slightly inaccurate. Only those with $4.50 tickets could exchnage them for a Forest Hills show; the others had to get refunds.

The next known concert was to have been on 13 August 1966 at Shea Stadium, with Peter, Paul and Mary opening and Dylan closing the show, though, irrespective of the crash, there is some doubt whether this would have taken place because the NYC License Commissioner's office ha ordered the promoter to refund all receipts for the "Concerts at the Shea" series that summer.

Mickey Jones says that, the day after Shea Stadium, they were due to fly to the USSR for a concert in Moscow. There is no documentary evidence for this nor of any other shows in Europe at that time but Mickey's recall has been accurate on all other matters, so I have no reason to doubt him.

The only other known concert was to have been on 6 October 1966 at Burlington, VT, which was advertised.

Ralph Gleason, in February 1967, reported that five concerts in California planned for the first week of April 1967 had been cancelled, for medical reasons.

Going through the various contemporary reports, it seems that (1) immediately following the crash, all shows were cancelled for 2 months (August and September 1966), (2) by October 1966, all shows were cancelled up to March 1967 and (3) by February 1967, shows planned for April 1967 were being cancelled.

Maybe this will help.


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Posted by:

jh

Subject: Test

1..2..3


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Posted by:

Ari

Where are all these Indonesians coming from? Why here?


Entered at Sat Mar 9 08:39:17 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Planet waves

Planet Waves was Bob's introduction to what the future held for The Rolling Stones, then many other artists. Sell out tours, meagre album sales. According to Wiki, it sold 600,000, but went gold almost immediately, then took six months (and the tour) to sell 100,000. But 10 million applications for tickets for the tour came in.

I'm going to be sloppy and not look it up, but Dylan is said to have blamed Asylum for poor sales of Planet Waves and Before The Flood, one of several reasons for returning to CBS / Columbia. There was a specific screw up mentioned (which I forget, probably pressings), but if Asylum shipped gold the first week, their distribution and marketing must have been fine. WEA in the USA or Island in the UK were perfectly capable of getting and then servicing mega hit albums.

So it was partly that a lot of those 10 million people only wanted the best known older songs not the new album.

The one that was never admitted at the time is that in spite of its many merits, the album sounds rushed, and while there are good songs on there, probably only Forever Young would be in the general fan consciousness as one of the best-known Dylan songs. i.e. it didn't carry on selling because it failed on the word of mouth … so important in the 70s when a friend played you a record and you went out and bought it. In other words, a lot of people were under-impressed. The more you played an LP the more your friends heard it. People didn't play it enough. There is a dip between Nashville Skyline and Blood On The Tracks. If I could only have one of those three albums (not counting "Dylan" the CBS compilation or Before The Flood) I'd choose New Morning first, Self-Portrait (I like Self Portrait) second.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 08:27:19 CET 2013 from (67.85.103.137)

Posted by:

Jersey Girl

Subject: BEG

Thank you, Angelina, for the lovely shout-out to the women who used to post on this site. Like many of the others, I lurk even though I rarely contribute these days, and your postings are always informative, good-humored, and kind -- a rare and very welcome combination. A Happy International Women's Day to you!


Entered at Sat Mar 9 06:49:35 CET 2013 from (75.34.59.178)

Posted by:

Adam

Pat B with the score!

Kevin, thanks so much for your mention. I am currently working on a "tour journal" for Jimmy V/Garth's SONGS OF THE BAND project. Documents 3 shows I will have seen, with interviews with the group members. So far I've gotten Byron Isaacs, Jim Weider, Garth & Maud to be involved. Vivino and ciarlante are more difficult to get ahold of, I'm still hopeful.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 06:28:20 CET 2013 from (198.228.201.145)

Posted by:

Mike m

Location: Foster Rhode Island

Subject: Interesting observation

Well I guess that question was to easy.that was a pretty busy time for the band and really was a comeback of sorts. To bad Dylan wasn't around them more often after that tour. Interesting thing about planet waves was that it didn't really sell that we'll and it only made number one because the records stores were buying large volumes In anticipation of brisk sales thus the reason for the chart position.so I guess you can say Joni Mitchell was cheated out of a number one album when hers was the one that was really selling like hotcakes. pun intended. Nevertheless that was a feat to be on albums in the top three positions like that and I think mockingbird was a pretty big hit.dr john played on that as well.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 05:45:51 CET 2013 from (99.115.145.68)

Posted by:

Pat B

Robbie Robertson.


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Posted by:

Mike m

Location: Foster Rhode Island

Subject: Interesting observation

Something interesting I found when going through some old magazines and books as part of my spring cleaning.I came across a copy of billboard magazine from 1974.TheWeek of February 9th bob Dylan and the band with Planet waves at number 1 for 4weeks.at 2 was Joni Mitchell court and spark and at 3 was Carly Simon with her hotcakes lp.do any of you fans of the band know what the common thread of these three albums were?.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 04:30:44 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Research

Peter: Today you have effectively illustrated effectively what is wrong with 'research' (and I use the term loosely) for too many books. The press is often also guilty of shoddy research...not only tabloids but the official press. The defence by the writer will be "Well it was on the official Dylan site.". But a more careful checking of facts, with cross-referencing (such as was easily accomplished here for the White Plains date) establishes the truth. Its a lot of work and takes a long time but it separates the few who do this well from the rest. Too picky? I don't think so. Accuracy counts, especially in published media. When an error is not corrected, it is repeated and misinformation becomes reality. This is especially true on the internet, where nothing ever disappears. The pervasive 'who cares" ("its not important anyway') is unacceptable.


Entered at Sat Mar 9 04:28:33 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.89)

Posted by:

Bill M

The people in this world who get to live where they want to live are the fortunate ones. I see no reason to hector them for their good fortune or their choices. That they contribute wherever they are seems much more important.

Kevin J: Pat Quinn - that's right. A clean hit? No elbow or stick was involved, but 'charging' (what the five minutes were for) was in this case a gross understatement. Very ugly. PS: I agree about Mary Margaret's "Out OF The Blue". Just awesome - just the way she goes from Stanley Kowalski to Blanche Dubois in one line, "He knows, he knows ... He knows I'll be coming back for more". The Road Hammers' number is my other favourite.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 23:35:05 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: White plains June 66

I asked PSB and Dylanologist Ian Woodward. For the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever, Ian just checked direct with Mickey Jones. Definitely not true.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 23:08:52 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Jeff: Good points…..as I admit to just being just blown away at how good that album was. I wouldn’t say it was an underestimation on my part of Garth but perhaps It was just a wake-up for me as to how valuable he was to the Band above and beyond just his playing………..Examples abound as to how 95% of all tribute albums are atrocities……See the Kinks thing last year as proof positive that just getting stars together means nothing. Song selection, artist selection, song sequencing and getting the kind of performances that Garth got reveal someone very special and very connected to his work with the Band…………….Was “Northern Lights Sothern Cross” not seen by many as a Robbie & Garth project as they were the two that really laboured over it?

Norm: Cheers and hope all is fine with your lady.

BEG: The lovely Kristie with the hat and the illusive Deb could have been on that list as well.......for years I had always thought Carmen was a women but I seem to remember her identifying as a man and a banker to boot....so not sure................I do know the label guys behind RTO's new album have decided it best for the artist formerly known as RTO to be marketed as a female.....so....


Entered at Fri Mar 8 21:58:15 CET 2013 from (67.87.216.96)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

Kevin - you just unwittingly touched on something that many are not aware of. Garth is completely and totally dedicated to preserving and fortifying the true legacy of The Band. To Garth, The Band means more than could be discussed or considered, and he has always acted in the best interest of The Band, The Band's music, and The Band's legacy. that Canadian Tribute alsum was a work of love and dedication for Garth, and how the songs sounded well, bet your bippee you can thank him for it. Garth will fight over a note, or a word. Was it John Simon who said that Garth was always the last one to leave the studio, that noone ever worked harder on the recorded music than Garth?


Entered at Fri Mar 8 21:04:20 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Subject: LINK for Bill & BEG - At least the NDP can sing in tune!

For those who have yet to purchase “Garth Hudson’s celebration of The Band” – highly recommended by the way for outstanding covers of Band songs ( and most refreshingly not the obvious ones ) Danny Brooks kicks off the album in fine form with his run through of “Forbidden Fruit”…….Garth’s song selection and sequencing is just great throughout. Perhaps Adam could get him to discuss some of his interactions with the artists on it in more detail than he has previously………Mary Margaret O’Hara’s “Out of the Blue” may be the best Band cover ever and Raine Maida’s “Moon Struck One” is without a doubt one of the best examples in the history of rock n roll of an average non-descript song being transformed into a thing of beauty. Can any other artist lay claim to making a Band song this much better?

Bill M and BEG's NDP pals paying tribute to Stompin Tom yesterday in Parliament......helps to have a couple of pros as elected officials......lovely actually.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 21:04:22 CET 2013 from (24.108.242.146)

Posted by:

Rockin Chair

Location: Pacific Northwest

Subject: Cycle Mishap....."You Ain't Goin' Nowhere"

How in hell are you doon David???......and all the rest of yuz. I think I actually may get two days at home.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 20:51:46 CET 2013 from (50.101.57.34)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: HAPPY IRIE INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY!!!
Web: My link

When the money’s spent and all my friends have vanished
And I can’t seem to find no help or love for free
I know there’s no need for me to panic
Cos I’ll find him, I’ll find him next to me

When the skies are grey and all the doors are closing
And the rising pressure makes it hard to breathe
When all I need is a hand to stop the tears from falling
I will find him, I’ll find him next to me

Here's Emeli Sandi again but this time her offical video to help celebrate International Women's Day.....She's a young inspirational role model for all sisters of the world......She dropped out of fourth year medical school....She could always return to the medical world if need be. She followed her passion....She also writes her own songs, plays piano and doesn't have to display her sexuality to get noticed....She has something to communicate that goes much deeper.

Yiiiiiiikes!!!!.......Thanks JD. It does make sense as so many people were taking advantage of our medical system and it's fair....live half of the time here and enjoy some benefits.
Stompin' Tom detested Canadian musicians who left our country to "make it" elsewhere and even gave up 6 Juno Awards in protest as our Canadian airwaves were playing more American music.....late seventies. Bruce Cocburn and Nomadic Mike's fave didn't move out......much respect to them. Sorry Band members.....You could have come back more often.......Even Buddy Cage gave up his citizenship.......made it easier to tour but still.......

Serenity...Kind to all Band Fans as she probably acknowledges and thanks most posters and shares info
Joan...Fair to everyone and brave enough to still post on Band site when in the minority
Claire...Helped us with tinyurl and is a strong communicator
Jersey Girl...Worldly, supports women who have been attacked by cyber bullies and amazing writer
Lil...Priviliged to have known Rick Danko and loyal to those she digs
Amanda...Levon's most ardent fan and very passionate about music and her beliefs
Roz...Provacative and witty
Donna...Road Warrior and survivor
Kay...Writer and fortunate to have connections with some Band members
Carol Caffin...Rick Danko's friend and publicist and willing to communicate with all Band fans via email
Tracy...Writer and had a website for Robbie Robertson
Mary...Sweet to everyone
Bama Belle...Goes out to hear live music and arranged to meet women from this site and was hoping to arrange with Bashful Bill that we could all meet in Woodstock
Kentucky Girl...Positive energy, funny and huge Rick Danko fan
Amy...Huge Rick Danko fan
Julie...Shared her musical experiences and kind to everyone on this site
Joy...Friend and webmaster of Larry Campbell
Kristie...Adventurous
Deb...Very well informed and great communicator
Calm...Knew Robbie in grade 10...Enough said!

Sincerest apologies to those I may have left off this list as it's been so looooong since some of you have shared here. Let me know by posting here! :-D


Entered at Fri Mar 8 20:49:47 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Ian Bell

Having spent the day checking, this is feeble research by Ian Bell based on a misattributed date on the official Dylan site (perhaps the fourth time around that source has just been wrong). It's clearly nonsense. But when you read this, you assume everything in the book is badly researched, and you don't buy the next one in the series. I won't bother to read it now … I was dipping in. File under "crap Dylan books" … I have a few. the writing is also "florid" rather than clear.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 20:28:05 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Dylan's Cycle Mishap

From The New York Times archives, the following, brief announcement was published in the August 2, 1966 edition of the newspaper:

"Dylan Hurt in Cycle Mishap
Bob Dylan, the folk singer and song writer, is under a doctor's care for injuries suffered in a motorcycle accident last Friday. A representative of Mr. Dylan said that the injuries have forced cancellation of a concert scheduled for Saturday night at the Yale Bowl in New Haven.'

The date of the accident was July 29 and the resumption of the tour beginning with the Yale Bowl concert had been scheduled for August 6.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 19:33:24 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Canadian Medical Coverage

I noticed that BEG posted earlier saying that Garth wouldn't have trouble in Canada; with medical care; because he is Canadian. That may be true; but.....

BEG and I are both fans and friends of Danny Brooks. Danny and his wife now live in Austin Texas and have been down there 3-4 years.

Recently Danny and his wife were here in Ontario and had to go to the DR. Like Beg they figured once a Canadian always a Canadian; but the rules have changed more recently. You must now spend 153 days a year here in Ontario at least to be eligible for OHIP. There could be special circumstances for some; but they are trying to stop people who have left the country for years and decades to just pop back to take advantage of the system. I got this info from Danny Brooks who is a musician now living in Texas.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 19:04:36 CET 2013 from (50.101.57.34)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: Happy International Women's Day!!!!!!
Web: My link

From the Globe and Mail today.

"Where are the best and worst places to be a woman? On International Women’s Day, we take a look at some surprising statistics – from the country where women hold more than 50 per cent of the seats in Parliament (Rwanda) to where it's safest to have a baby (Estonia)."

The best place to be a woman

"It’s Iceland, according to the World Economic Forum’s Global Gender Gap report for 2012. The country has claimed the top spot in the report since 2009. Finland, Norway and Sweden round out the top four. (Canada fell three spots to land in 21st place out of 135 countries, one above the United States. What hurts us: the lack of female politicians. The good news: Take a look at the premiers of British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador and Nunavut.)"

Come on out female fans of The Band and post today. Let all our voices be heard and seen on this site.....Yes.....Even those of you who don't agree with me on many things. ;-D

Check out Stephen Marley who executive produced and performed on the 1999 Bob Marley mash-up "Chant Down Babylon". Steven Tyler is here as well as rap artists I've never heard of.
Also....and very significant for the other half of the population is very much missed Lauryn Hill (five children with another Marley son Rohan who played college football) and Eryka Badu who represent spiritual, talented and strong women for sisters of the world. Here's where reggae and rap mix beautifully.....


Entered at Fri Mar 8 18:14:29 CET 2013 from (72.78.46.134)

Posted by:

PSB

Location: City of Brotherly Love

Subject: Westchester NY 1966

The concert was February 5th. My brother went. I remember it. I am also very dubious about a Nashville session in the middle of June. The album was in the stores about a week later which is a little too close. Despite reports listing the release date being in May, Blonde on Blonde was released in the last week of June. The Dylan tour was scheduled to start again in August, 1966.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 18:04:51 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Bill M: I am afraid the late Pat Burns was just a little lad dreaming of being a cop in Hull at the time the dastardly Pat Quinn flattened Bobby…...though i had always heard that famous hit was clean....

BEG: Thank you…..we shall meet one day………….maybe at an “Appreciation for Rick” night or even at an “Appreciation for Robbie, Richard, Rick, Garth and Levon” night…….wouldn’t that be a twist……………..dreamt I went to an appreciation of Keith Moon party once…..everyone shouting “Who the F*ck Are You” at everyone else……it was fun……………….btw, do keep a close eye on Northern Boy!


Entered at Fri Mar 8 17:51:50 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

John D: Thank your lucky stars that Mr Williams didn't trade you to Parry Sound as part of the Orr deal. Wasn't it that ratbag Pat Burns who ruined Orr? Got a major penalty, but what's five minutes for the career of a master?

BEG: Back to the Hudson / Quill / Tolhurst concert, three of the backing musicians (Dennis Pinhorn, Bucky Berger and Mitch Lewis) played in a group with Richard Bell at the time - Danny Brooks and the Rockin' Revelators. And the fiddler on the show, Anne Lindsay, had played with Quill and Pinhorn as far back as 1978, when I saw Greg Quill and the Hot Knives at the Horseshoe, opening for Bruce Palmer's group, The Village. It was a red-letter day for me because Bruce introduced me to totally amazing but elusive R&B singer Jimmy Livingston, who outsang Rick James when Jimmy, Rick and Bruce were all in the Mynah Birds.

I really enjoyed that interview with Howard Johnson. Nice of him to say how impressed he was with our guys to just tune down a half-tone (or whatever) and carry on as if nothing had changed. The other thing that struck me is the prominence he gave to bassist Skip Beckwith, a sonstant on the Halifax music scene scene the '50s, but largely unknown to the outside world, except as a name on the back of Anne Murray albums. On that front, the one with the live version of "What About Me" shows how good and tight her band of the '70s was - no surprise, really, as most were pretty heavy-duty jazz guys like Beckwith and Lenny Breau.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 17:26:25 CET 2013 from (174.88.218.97)

Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Thnx for that Lone Star link, Pat B. Made my day.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 16:16:00 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: The mysterious artist

David Bowie is back. With illness and privacy, he disappeared from the spotlight and suddenly he reappears with a work of art. Like Cohen and Dylan on record, we can never count the good ones out. The gift of creativity feeds on the brain and thank goodness is shared.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 16:12:20 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: 6/16/66

It seems likely that the June 16 concert date is erroneous. It's also probable that Dylan might not have been in Nashville for that session on that same date, as Charlie McCoy and Kenneth Buttrey were the only musicians listed to overdub parts on four takes that were apparenty never used. The main sessions for "Blonde On Blonde", in between tour dates, concluded on March 10.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 15:47:59 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Mixed Up Confusion

Feb 5, 1966 and June 16, 1966. The official Bob Dylan site lists identical set lists for both shows in the same place (White Plains, NY) I doubt that this is true. The evidence on line is stronger for Feb. 5, 1966 being accurate despite the official Dylan web site listings. There is evidence on line for Dylan being in the studio in Nashville on June 16, 1966, making it unlikely that he was both in Nashville and in White Plains on the same date. I would hope the keepers of the Bob Dylan official site would go back and verify the accuracy of their listings. It is indeed peculiar given this information. Thanks, Peter.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 14:15:12 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rolling Stone Special Magazine on Dylan

I know this "special" magazine (you know it's special when it costs you $13.99 + tax) has been out for awhile but it contains his Rolling Stone Interviews dating back to 1969. Good reading. Then theirs his top 100 sounds chosen by other musicians. Most are small boxed reviews by Mick and others; but BONO? He gets a whole page to talk about "Like A Rolling Stone." Good article; but was surprised the length of his review compared to the others.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 13:54:36 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Kenny Ball

Well Peter, "Midnight In Moscow" was a bit hit here; however over here he was a one hit wonder. A great instrumental favourite of mine. By the way I went to a club years ago to see George Melly. This was at the time of his Hoagy Carmichael tribute. Had a great chat. Quite a character! Went back for a few nights more; as he was in for a week.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 11:47:25 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: RIP Kenny Ball

I always liked Kenny Ball, who died yesterday aged 82. He had the knack of taking good tunes and putting them into a trad jazz arrangement, therefore getting a string of British Top Ten hits … Midnight in Moscow, The Green Leaves of Summer, March of The Siamese Children, Sukiyaki. His last chart entry was a trad version of When I'm Sixty-Four.

I'm guessing he was unknown in North America.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 09:23:59 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: 1966 Tour

Just reading Ian Bell’s “Once Upon A Time The lives of Bob Dylan.” On the 1966 tour. He says:

“Whatever the legend might seem to say, London and the Albert Hall were not supposed to be the end of it. Grossman’s plans involved dozens more American dates, up to and including Shea Stadium. The 1966 tour halted, never forget, not in England, but with a performance at White Plains, New York on 16 June.”

My reference source on concerts has always been John Bauldie’s “Oh No Not Another Bob Dylan Book” which does not mention White plains on 16th June, and it’s the first I’ve heard of it. BUT it is listed on Songkicks (Westchester Country Center). Wikipedia and Bauldie both have him playing White Plains on 5 February 1966 which is bootlegged on Jewels & Binoculars Vol. 3. I also found a listing that on 16 June 1966 Dylan was in Nashville overdubbing McCoy & Buttrey onto 4th Time Around.

Does anyone know different?


Entered at Fri Mar 8 03:50:09 CET 2013 from (68.199.208.196)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Opinions

I saw the headline for this video when i was about to sign into my CdBaby account.

Hard to argue with success, but, what has this women become great at? Being a musician, or being a begger? or, being a musician in today's reality. Thing of it is, she started out begging first, just plain old artful begging, without offering music, but as a bandleader, she raised 1.2 million plus dollars , with almost 25,000 people buying into her kickstarter program. about 48 bucks per person.

i watched the video, about 14 minutes, and I'm curious what other people think.

I've not yet listened to her music, but i will. but by the looks of her eyebrows, i can only be hopeful about her music.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 02:55:36 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT and LvdB

Top 10 Reasons that Leonard Cohen is the epitome of live concert experiences:

1. He is one the quintessential wordsmiths

2. He has a wonderful baritone/bass range that compliments his music

3. His melodies are haunting, European-Mediterranean textured, and lovely

4. His concern for detail in every aspect of the performance

5. The musicians who surround him are superlative. (Leonard bows his head with hat off in deference to the greatness that surrounds him)

6. The Webb Sisters and Sharon Robinson are wonderful

7. The sound system and its technicians are masters of their craft

8. Dance Me To the End of Love, Take This Waltz

9. Hallelujah ( he enunciates the 'you' with perfect diction and does not say 'ya' to rhyme with Hallelujah (I love it!)

10.He understands what it means to be in the audience and translates that into a performance that in every aspect is 10/10

Closing Time. I could go on but 8 encores should be left to the master as he skips and dances off the stage.


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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bobby Orr

It was my old guidance teacher at O.C.V.I. in Oshawa; who brought Bobby Orr to the Generals; from Parry Sound. Doug Williams is alive and well at 82. He also signed Wayne Cashman and Terry O'Reilly.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 01:17:45 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

At about 7:25 of The Weight (CD 2), Rick brings Jaco up out of the audience to play with them through the end of the set.


Entered at Fri Mar 8 00:17:12 CET 2013 from (172.9.49.18)

Posted by:

Grandwazir

Location: Forest Park, IL

Subject: 1986 Tour question

Had the honor of seeing The Band at the historic January 3, 1974 Chicago Stadium Dylan show, then years later at the 3/1/86 show at Summers On The Beach in Fort Lauderdale, FL (just days before Richard's tragic death).

Is there anyone out there who was also at this '86 show? One of the people I was with that night reminded me that he remembers Jaco Pastorius hopping up on stage (but not playing a note)---I seem to have remembered this as well, but age and diminished brain cells has got me wondering.

Anyone at that show?

Thanks and a belated RIP for Levon...


Entered at Thu Mar 7 23:54:14 CET 2013 from (96.20.158.81)

Posted by:

Landmark

Location: Montreal

Total agreement about Bobby Orr. He would draw 18,000 at the Forum when he played for the Oshawa Generals.

Mind you when I met Bill, we did end up at a bar. Hmmm.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 23:04:57 CET 2013 from (70.29.28.19)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

"Lawyer Joe O'Connor, left, of New Paltz, talks with his client, Mike Piazza prior to the hearing on the temporary restraining order. Lawyers were in Ulster Surrogate Court in Kingston on Thursday afternoon, March 7, 2013 to hear arguments on the temporary restraining order against the sale of Garth Hudson's possessions. Mike Piazza, the owner of where Hudson's "archive" in now located was also in court."
Photos By: JEFF GOULDING/Times Herald-Record

Would it be mean-spirited if we all sent out negative vibes to Piazza? Yeah.....Don't do it as karma's a ......

Bill MMMMMM!!!!!! Nooooooo!!!!!!!!! Please don't let me be misunderstood!!!!! I meant......standing by the bar.....which you were as the venue was packed. Remember....At the end of the show I took a photo of Garth and Maud and Greg and Tolhurst and sent it to Jan H and he put it up on his site. Please forgive me.....and join us for Levon's Tribute. You've already met my friends......We're going to have so much fun.

You are welcome to join us too Kevin J....The more the merrier. So far there's Northern Boy and Northern Girl, Mr. Maximus and his partner in life (Paul James and their son used to hangout and they still live on the same street and....even Dylan ended up there once!.) And....hopefully Blind Willie McTell and his brother or friends will join us and maybe imagezulu. Five of us for sure are having dinner there as well.
And yessssssssss......I know who Stompin' Tom Connors is. He's from New Brunswick and wrote songs about Sudbury and all kinds of places in Canada for the guy/gal next door. I now know who I was thinking of playing outside of The Hudson Bay Centre and not The Eaton Centre and it wasn't Stompin' Tom. Even Charlie Angus (from Timmins) was on channel 26 this morning talking about him and then on the investment channel Frances Horodelski Anchor was going on about Alvin Lee....

Bobby Orr....I remember when another player went right for his knees......There will never be another Bobby Orr....The most pluses on the ice and made opposing players look like pylons as he skated around them and he could skate with such finesse, ease and beauty and strength.....He scored I think 40 goals one season......and.....He plays defence!!!!!! I think he was the first successful rushing defence player and he was soooo humble....Oh....Bobby Orr......I know....I get a little....carried away. I'm not apologizing for it as it feeeeeeels good to feeeeeeel some passion and excitement!

ONG LIVE BOBBY ORR!!!!!!

Btw, As I was on the streetcar going to my yoga class.....I saw that the Weber Brothers are also playing at the El Mocambo on March 15 as well. I haven't seen the Weber Brothers for a loooong time now.......I guess that's why I didn't hear back.....Sorry Garth. :-(


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Posted by:

Dennis

Location: West Saugerties

Subject: Alvin Lee

With regard to the passing of Alvin Lee, his manager who announced the untimely death was none other than The Band's late 90's manager, Ron Rainey.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 19:57:28 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

Whatever the merits of Stompin' Tom's "The Hockey Song", I see this one, "Sudbury Saturday Night" as the brightest star in the Connors firmament. I'm sure that it ranks up there with "Sonny's Dream" (originally by Ron Hynes) among the songs most covered by bands at Legions across Canada and posted to YouTube.


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Posted by:

Bill M

Location: Toronno
Web: My link

First, following up on the late Larry Leishman, here is a collage of photos of Jon and Lee and the Checkmates (proto Rhinoceros) over their one a only record - a big hit in hometown Toronto. Listen for Larry's searing Robbie-style guitar towards the end. Those of you who caught the Yonge Street rock and roll stories documentary would have seen Robbie talking about Jon (John Finley) and Jon talking about being offered the spot as lead singer with Levon and the Hawks right after they left Hawkins.

Second, despite what BEG says, I go to see bands, not hang out at bars. The bassist at that Hudson / Quill / Tolhurst gig at the C'est What was Dennis Pinhorn, who will be in the band at the upcoming tribute to Levon show here in a few weeks.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 17:56:21 CET 2013 from (70.53.46.4)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

LINK to the great Stompin Tom Connors and his “kd lang” song with kd. No he never played for dimes outside Eaton Centre……He is one of the few Canadian treasures that is so uniquely Canadian that likely most outside the country would never understand……A wonderful force of nature………he even pulled full houses in Northern Quebec where not a single person could speak English……….such was his cut-to-the-bone authenticity……May he rest in peace…………………I love you BEG but having to endure the grotesqueness of Pearl Jam with the beauty of Bobby Orr was a tough one!


Entered at Thu Mar 7 15:28:39 CET 2013 from (65.95.183.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Stompin Tom Connors' Hockey song triggered me to see one of my favourite Canadian hockey players of all time.

POETRY ON ICE
He might have been famous for playing on the Boston Bruin's team, but he was a Canadian from Parry Sound, Ontario....Bobby Orr!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pearl Jam playing in the background...Should have been Stompin' Tom Connors or Tragically Hip.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 15:19:13 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: R.I.P. Alvin Lee

Alvin Lee passed away yesterday. His set with his group Ten Years After, ending with the blistering "I'm Going Home", preceeded The Band's performance at the Woodstock Festival on Sunday, Aug. 17, 1969.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 15:17:33 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT and LvdB

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: No Webb cartwheels

But Webbs did do a little solo and duet acrobatics. So did Sharon Robinson with 'Alexandra Leaving'.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 14:28:39 CET 2013 from (65.95.183.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

From Javelin's twitpic site...Photo of Garth Hudson.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 14:20:50 CET 2013 from (65.95.183.127)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Is my memory playing tricks on me? I seem to remember seeing Stompin' Tom Connors (The Hockey Song) playing outside the Bay store at Yonge/Bloor in the seventies?You remember seeing him at Broadview and Gerrard Bonk? Just south of there was one of Robbie's homes on First Avenue. Apparently the Hawks would gather there and Robbie's late Ma would feed them?

Published on Mar 6, 2013
From Javelin's new record "Hi Beams", on Luaka Bop March 5, 2013

"The rather urgent and slight demure, “Garth Hudson,” is playful and rather carefree. Indeed, this fancy little adornment takes you by the hand and walks you across that street."


Entered at Thu Mar 7 14:07:00 CET 2013 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

mike h

Web: My link

Allman Bros. cover "Tears of Rage" last night @ the Beacon.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 11:59:15 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Len

This has been my experience three times now … he has the world's best sound crew. The band are superb, every instrument is separate, he can go down to the quietest whisper and every word is distinct. Unmissable. In the current incarnation, there isn't a band to touch them.

Did the Webb Sisters do the cartwheels?


Entered at Thu Mar 7 10:08:27 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT and LvdB

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Leonard Cohn perfection

Leonard Cohen in Victoria this evening: Perfection: 3 1/2 hours. Eight encores. Don't miss this show. This is a superb group of musicians. Kudos to the sound people who made a hockey arena sound like an intimate club.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 04:08:08 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: Tom Connors dead at 77

Follow-up to BONK's post...

I saw him live and he was a great showman. Wasn't too much into his singing, but he was a good entertainer.You couldn't help but like him..Ronnie Hawkins was describing knowing him CTV NEWS Check this out again at 11PM & 12..

OBITS: 3/6/2013

Stompin' Tom Connors dies at 77

Canadian music legend Stompin` Tom Connors receives the Lifetime Achievement Award at the 20th Annual SOCAN Awards gala in Toronto Monday, November 23, 2009. The Canadian Press

Published Wednesday, Mar. 6, 2013 8:39PM EST

PETERBOROUGH, Ont. -- Canadian country-folk legend Stompin' Tom Connors, whose toe-tapping musical spirit and fierce patriotism established him as one of Canada's strongest cultural icons, has died. He was 77.

Connors passed away Wednesday from what a spokesman described as "natural causes."

Brian Edwards said the musician, rarely seen without his signature black cowboy hat and stomping cowboy boots, knew his health was declining and had penned a message for his fans a few days before his death.

In the message posted on his website, Connors says Canada kept him "inspired with it's beauty, character, and spirit, driving me to keep marching on and devoted to sing about its people and places that make Canada the greatest country in the world."

Connors is survived by his wife Lena, two sons, two daughters and several grandchildren.

Dubbed Stompin' Tom for his propensity to pound the floor with his left foot during performances, Connors garnered a devoted following through straight-ahead country-folk tunes that drew inspiration from his extensive travels and focused on the everyman.

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Great posts and links. You guys are amazing and wonderful..

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxo


Entered at Thu Mar 7 03:33:59 CET 2013 from (24.108.1.255)

Posted by:

BONK

Subject: Stompin Tom

We lose another one. He only knew three chords back in the early days when he was washing dishes in a dive restaurant at Broadview and Gerrard in Toronto but he was a full of life, fun human being who had something to say in his music even if it was a little corny and basic. Good memories old bye!


Entered at Thu Mar 7 01:25:28 CET 2013 from (64.231.179.104)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Sincerest apologies to Garth and The Band site. Garth is also rehearsing in this photo, but I quickly copied and pasted info from the site which did not include Garth. :-(

When Garth and Maud are in Toronto next or anyone else in Toronto...If you would like a free first acupuncture treatment, just let me know. It's a sanctuary where you can take an acunap as well. I still haven't seen musician Kathleen Edwards...
I just returned home from volunteering again this week and who comes on my Nano as I enter my Co-Op? It's Rollie singing "The Weight" and playing his harp! I remember he was wishing he could afford acupuncture treatments.
This Community Clinic has a sliding scale of 15-35 dollars plus HST....eg., 15.00 becomes 17.25. No questions asked about your income.
This month's special is 10.00 plus HST for service workers such as cooks, chefs, caterers, sommeliers, bar tenders, waiters, baristas, dishwashers, etc. I'm very fortunate in that because I volunteer one (sometimes two days a week); I can have as many treatments as I like.


Entered at Thu Mar 7 01:01:26 CET 2013 from (64.231.179.104)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Rod. It was great btw when you shared your own music on this site. Thanks very much.

WOODSTOCK, NY - DECEMBER 1969: Musician and singer Robbie Robertson (L) and musician and singer Levon Helm (R) of the rock group The Band rehearse in December 1969 in Woodstock, New York. (Photo by David Gahr/Getty Images)


Entered at Thu Mar 7 00:48:07 CET 2013 from (146.171.254.97)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: BEGs photos

Does anyone know where the picture of Robbie and Levon (with the guitar adn drumsticks) is from. I'm guessing it's from around the Cahoot's time. There's a full band pic from probably the same sesion with Levon on mandolin, Garth and accordion and Richard on drums that I like. I've assumed they were doing Masterpiece.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 18:09:45 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

"whomever"? Looks like his name is Sebastian.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 14:49:16 CET 2013 from (65.95.181.7)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

It was at C'est What in Toronto that I met Blind Willie McTell and didn't know it yet....lol and ran into Bill M hanging at the bar at this show.

Greg Quill (musician and writer) & Kerryn Tolhurst perform The Killing Heart from their album So Rudely Interrupted -- featuring Garth Hudson on accordion. Toronto 2003.
Click on SoRudeRecords and you'll find a more songs from this gig.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 13:33:56 CET 2013 from (208.120.36.230)

Posted by:

Jon Lyness

...and thank you, Sebastian.


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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Very excited to hear about The Beautiful Old. Sounds like a perfect project for Garth!


Entered at Wed Mar 6 13:12:04 CET 2013 from (83.7.60.2)

Posted by:

Marko

Location: UK
Web: My link

Subject: markot

Hi, I spent a lot of time on this website. I am very happy! Thank you and greetings to all


Entered at Wed Mar 6 13:05:06 CET 2013 from (65.95.181.7)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Jimi Hendrix’ ‘People, Hell & Angels’
Gives Final Taste of Unreleased Works


Entered at Wed Mar 6 12:59:01 CET 2013 from (65.95.181.7)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Fantastic news bout Garth!! Thanks Sebastian. Also, Garth doesn't have to worry about any medical bills in the future.....as he's a Canadian.

Thank you Peter. The upcoming recording of BEAUTIFUL OLD seems promising with Garth....and Graham Parker and Richard Thompson too!
Btw, yesterday I saw the film "Quartet" which was about retired opera singers and musicians....The film was absolutely....beautiful, inspiring and uplifting.....with Maggie Smith, Michael Gambon, Billy Connolly, Pauline Collins.

WOODSTOCK, N.Y. - DECEMBER 1969: Robbie Robertson (L) and Levon Helm (R), musicians and founding members of the rock group The Band, pose for a portrait in December 1969 in Woodstock, New York.
(Photo by David Gahr/Getty Images)

"On January 13, 2013, Searching for Sugar Man was nominated for and, on February 24, 2013, won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature at the 85th Academy Awards.[17] Rodriguez declined to attend the award ceremony (he was on an international concert tour of South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand) as he didn't want to overshadow the filmmakers' achievement if he came up on stage with them. Upon accepting his award, Chinn remarked on such generosity, "That just about says everything about that man and his story that you want to know.”[18] However, Malik Bendjelloul also said on stage, "Thanks to one of the greatest singers ever, Rodriguez."[19] [edit]


Entered at Wed Mar 6 12:09:12 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: The Fight To Sound Right / Drumminf

David P: if you can get RECORD COLLECTOR March 2013 issue (Black Sabbath cover) there;s a very good article on differing philosophies of remastering for reissued vinyl. Sundazed believe the original tape can be better and if so they remix. Speakers Corner are obsessively true to the original.

Also Chris Welch on clapping on the on beat ("The clap current crowds can't catch"). He goes on to drummers:

"Wonderful though Mitch Mitchell's freeform accompaniment was in the company of Jimi Hendrix, at times the Strat God could have done with a stabilising back beat. Hence the arrival of Buddy Miles. Even The Who weren't entirely comfortable with Keith Moon's manic flightsof fantasy, while Ginger Baker's tribal drumming with Cream occasionally wrong-footed a guitarist who might have preferred Levon Helm at the helm.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 11:46:59 CET 2013 from (68.199.208.190)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Good that whomever will assist Garth with this is, but, legal work will still loom large in this. Unless it all already been squared away, but that's not likely. Although Garth is not a vindictive man, I hope Garth's lawyer makes this guy cry. And honestly, if the Time Herald Record has crossed any kind of legal defammatory line, i'd like to see them squeal for their unprofessional bubemeisters and hurtful personal attack.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 10:49:36 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Sorry, downloads not available yet (that ws press only, I misread), but bookmark the CD for June.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 09:53:59 CET 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

yes good news indeed. Looking forward to hearing The Beautiful Old.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 08:31:00 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

And excellent news from Sebastian. Thank you for letting us know.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 08:29:54 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Web: My link

Subject: The Beautiful Old

I just got a timely reminder of the genius of Garth Hudson, from The Beautiful Old. They e-mailed:

Thought you might be interested in our upcoming record (to release June 6).

Garth Hudson is on ten of the tracks, playing accordion and piano with some notable vocalists on same timeless songs from 100 + years ago. Very period playing by Garth.

If you'd like to hear it or download it in entirety, go to (linked above).

Other artists include Richard Thompson, Dave Davies, Christine Collister, Eric Bibb, Heidi Talbot, Richard Greene.


Entered at Wed Mar 6 01:50:43 CET 2013 from (174.54.185.44)

Posted by:

Kevin from Northeast PA

Subject: Howard Johnson

mike h - A big thanks for posting that HoJo link. That was one of the best interviews I've ever read.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 20:16:34 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Howard Johnson/ Sebastiian

Mike. thanks for posting that interview It was amazing.

Sebastian, thank you for your clarification. The Landlord seems like a real sleaze.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 19:01:07 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: False Light / Defamation?

Shame on the local newspaper, along with Rolling Stone & others who republished the allegations, without verifying the accuracy of the landlord's assertions through other sources. He has potentially cast aspersions on not only Garth, but Robbie & Levon as well.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 18:27:52 CET 2013 from (98.149.168.95)

Posted by:

Sebastian

FYI- That landlord NEVER contacted my dad (Robbie) and I seriously doubt he contacted Levon either. Something is definitely fishy...


Entered at Tue Mar 5 18:18:05 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

What an interview!!!!! Thank you mike h...............Recommended reading folks.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 17:50:56 CET 2013 from (216.114.128.38)

Posted by:

mike h

Web: My link

Howard Johnson interview by Kay Cordtz.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 17:07:33 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

……maybe Prince was on to something when he changed his name to a symbol……..remember the “artist formerly known as Prince” era……..funny thing about that contract David P referenced – the only funny bit – is that name. Always have a tough time wrapping my head around the fact the band which had without any question the coolest name in the history of rock n roll….The Band……..could well have had the absolute worst name…….The Crackers…..yikes!!!!!............even funnier though is a band that without question had the coolest name of the 80”s Camper Van Beethoven morphed into a band called Cracker in the 90's.

Bill M: Sorry to hear about Larry Leishman. I didn’t know him but thanks to your posts about this era of Toronto/Canadian music, many of these people and careers come to life. A life’s work and life is always worth recognizing and celebrating. I wish there were more people that cared the way you do.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 16:40:18 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: The Fine Print

Since the use of "The Weight" in a Cingular adverstising campaign was the subject of recent litigation, The Band's contract with Capitol Records and other related documents were introduced as evidence, becoming public record. In that contract, dated Feb. 1, 1968, the group, then called "The Crackers", through Albert Grossman's management company, Groscourt Productions, Inc., agreed to provide their exclusive personal endeavors. This included producing a specified number of master recordings. The group granted to Capitol "exclusive ownership" of the sound recordings; the "exclusive and perpetual right to use and control" of the masters and the performances embodied in those recordings; and the "exclusive and perpetual right" to license them "in any and all fields of use."


Entered at Tue Mar 5 15:21:11 CET 2013 from (76.68.50.19)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Yeah Garth!


Entered at Tue Mar 5 14:55:51 CET 2013 from (76.68.50.19)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Garth Hudson's Stream of Consciousness Part Two

Robbie should have collaborated with Garth on his latest CD or somehow included Garth.
Garth's interested in bullfrog sounds....Robbie was interested in cricket sounds. There....a match made in heaven.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 14:52:32 CET 2013 from (76.68.50.19)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Garth Hudson's Stream of Consciousness Part One

"The raw material for an interview published by The Peninsula Daily News in August 2011.
Recorded over a car speakerphone it rambles a bit, just like Garth, but will interest Band fans who haven't been lucky enough to hang out with him a while."


Entered at Tue Mar 5 14:05:29 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Larry

Bill that is very, very sad news; about Larry. I believe he was living way up north somewhere. Jon Finley was my very first interview at the children's arena in Oshawa; in 1966. He was very kind and a great guitar player. Last saw him playing with the Checkmates; in the Beaches; or as they say in that area of town, "THE BEACH."


Entered at Tue Mar 5 12:01:28 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.84)

Posted by:

Bill M

Web: My link

We can always support Garth by buying multiple copies at the link above - as close as most of us are going to get to buying from the great man himself. Don't overlook the City of Angels.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 10:24:23 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Rod, having produced DVDs and CDs, watch the temptation. You'll find that 500 don't cost much more than 100, and 1000 cost surprisingly little more than 500. So the unit cost drops really dramatically. But unfortunately this can be the route to a garage full of DVDs / CDs! Start with the minimum run.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 10:21:29 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Dear Landlord

… and all the press ever got was the landlord's story. There is always more to these things.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 10:08:38 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.236)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

One last thing that needs to be cleared up. Garth is not a deadbeat. He's rented the same house for sbout 10 years. He pays his rent.

There is more to this story, and things i've hinted at in past posts, and some others have discussed since have to do with some part of it. And there is also plain old greed and evil. day


Entered at Tue Mar 5 07:51:18 CET 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Yeah I thought it was strange that the landlord would try to contact RR and LH. Really family members should have been the first port of call - but I wouldn't think it was his business to even do that.

Technology is a two edged sword for musicians. One one hand it makes the recording and distribution process so much easier and cheaper but on the other hand piracy has decimated earnings. I can't see any solution for the latter. I don't make any money from music, apart from the odd gig, and it's unlikely I ever will so I like being able to load stuff up on to youtube for people to listen to. However I am in the early stages of doing some proper recordings which may be released as an EP so I am starting to think about this a little more. The easiest and cheapest method will be to use things like Spotify and Itunes and maybe print a small number of CDs to sell at gigs. So technology works in my favour as I'm not depending on sales for an income.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 00:13:17 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Well, nowadays contracts specify that they include any format not yet invented. Jeff is correct that the percentage of success was low … 10% of releases charting would have been excellent, and it was rare for a major label to go beyond that. And also that now everyone has their own label, licensing it to another label, who license it to a major conglomerate. A 50 / 50 split does seem harsh on MP3s when there is no manufacture, warehousing, pressing, sleeve design, distribution and sales team but a lot of publishers are trying to push creatives below even that “norm.” Again, as Jeff says, in the days when you were actually selling stuff it was a reasonable deal.

I also think the reporting intrusive and odd. Imagine you were Robbie or Levon who were allegedly approached:

Dear Mr Robertson,

You don’t know me, but an old friend and associate you worked with 35 years ago owes me money. I don’t want him to know that I’m asking you about this, so just send a cheque to …

P.S. I am also a Nigerian prince with $100 million dollars in a Swiss bank. I will split it with you if you can put it into your account. Just send all bank details and passwords with the cheque for the rent …

Yes, we’d all have dug deep for that one.


Entered at Tue Mar 5 00:13:15 CET 2013 from (96.54.178.226)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Martin Short - congrats.

Last evening should not go by without notice in this arena. Martin Short was excellent. He was bright, witty, funny, self-drepecating, tossed out appropriate zingers for the most part, sang, danced and did all the things a good awards show host should do. Oscars next year? He should be a serious consideration!


Entered at Tue Mar 5 00:02:24 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.84)

Posted by:

Bill M

Richard: good to hear from you. Back in the land of the dull I see.

John D: Learned this aft that Larry Leishman passed away overnight. Very nice man, and a fine guitarist, who I got to know thanks to you.

Kevin ; Larry played the Robbie-style guitar parts on the Checkmates cuts I've posted here over the years.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 23:17:18 CET 2013 from (37.16.236.142)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St Kits

Hey, David

It's nice that each new request is renegotiated with the artist,. Thank God for that.

What seems wrong is the record company collecting 50% every time formats change, e.g. LP to CD to iTunes or the next new thing. Surely the risk built into the initial investment by the record company has already been paid back in spades, i.e. new formats are an unexpected windfall.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 22:37:05 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

When The Band's recording of a song, such as "The Weight", is used in a film or a television commercial, a separate (sync) fee is also negotiated with the publisher (Dwarf) and songwriter (Robbie).


Entered at Mon Mar 4 22:36:06 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Garth Reporting

Jeff: Well said. It disgusts me that front page treatment is given in the highlighting of these problems. Throw in the errors and other types of unflattering comments about Garth and it is just yellow journalism – plain and simple. People should pay bills but so should artists take up more space in news publications for their art – not problems that would not be news for any other citizen.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 22:36:10 CET 2013 from (50.101.56.82)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

For Garth...How about:

LOVE FOR GARTH TRIBUTE
KEEP IT GOIN' (similar to Levon)
COMPOSE SONGS FOR TV
PUBLISH MEMOIR
MASTER CLASS WITH GARTH
SCHOOL VISITS


Entered at Mon Mar 4 22:28:13 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.236)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

Richard- when a label financed a real recording, the initial expenditure is quite subdstantial.Plus,they ate many projects. they financed many to release only some, some of which earned money, some didn't. 50% is not too much in. If there still was a large music buying public, most artists that had this arrangement and were not getting cheated on accounting, would be very fortunate to be able to continue to have this arrangement. Labels had a purpose. . Now there is a vacuum- but , there are a gazillion "labels".


Entered at Mon Mar 4 22:14:17 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Richard: Yes, the other half goes to the owner of the master recording itself, which is usually the record label.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 21:54:43 CET 2013 from (37.16.236.142)

Posted by:

Richard

Location: St. Catharines

Subject: Royalties

Hey David P. Thanks for the clarification. Question: Do you know where the other 50% goes? I'll go out on a limb and anticipate you are going to say, to the record company, which seems like a bit too much compensation for the initial risk.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 21:54:09 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

Web: My link

Richard and the OQ.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 21:51:09 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Robbie Robertson from last year on Richard Manuel this day

"First met Richard when I was 17. This was months before he joined The Hawks. He liked to laugh more than anyone I knew. He wore his gentle soul on his sleeve... and could sing like Bobby Blue Bland. How can ya beat that? Love him and miss him." -RR


Entered at Mon Mar 4 21:49:34 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.236)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

KEvin- Steve Israel and his editor should be publicly shamed.From the beginning they have done poor- one sided, skewed and sensationalized - reporting on this . As you point out they have royalty and income facts wrong. But aside fromn that The Times Herald Record has been skewing the story all along. they have painted an untrue portrait of Garth.And have seemed to side with the landlord in each articvel, till now. this one, they don't side either way, but they do not paint a favorable picture of Garth either. they leave the impression he might be a genius. but they aren't sure. And they also guive flase impressions. The heading of this most recent article is not correct.. Friends are not uniting- nothing is organized.and that picture of Garth and Barbara at Love for LEvon, along with that headline gives the imppression that The Barn is organizing something for Garth. Well, if so, it's a secret. .....

they sure treated Levon's bankruptcies and money troubles differently than garth's-- Levon was bankrupt so many times it took a team of lawyers years to get his last one through... Levon borrowed money from friends- big money sometimes- he told me so in some detail once, at his kitchen table.. What about his behaviors that might have hleped cause financial problems- the Time HJerald Record never discussed that at the time... it is poor publication, and for some reason, they seem to relish aiming at Gasrth. It sucks.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 21:08:49 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

The great Richard Manuel - LINK


Entered at Mon Mar 4 20:32:03 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Ferdinand

This is strange, when I got my Ipod I loaded some of favorite CDs into it. For some bizarre reason, Ferdinand did not load. I tried a 2nd time and still nothing, It played fine on my CD player. Eventually I bought it from ITunes. Don't really understand why.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 20:10:54 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Other Royalties

All The Band members and respective estates receive royalties when a Band Capitol master recording, such as "The Weight", is licensed for use in a film, advertising, compilation or a specialty reissue. The group receives 50% of the licensing fee split five ways. This master use royalty would also apparently apply for the recent Mobile Fidelity audiophile LP and SACD reissues of The Band catalog.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 19:45:59 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Steve Israel

...Wrong of Steve Israel to write that “like all of The Band members except Robbie Robertson, he never received songwriting royalties from classic albums like "Music From Big Pink" and "The Band." Worth pointing out that....Richard Manuel wrote 3 songs on Music From Big Pink….he not only received the songwriting credit but also the royalties. Rick Danko had a co-write with Bob Dylan on one song - the great "This Whee's on Fire" and continued to receive royalties on this all his life - "Gifts from Heaven" didn't Rick call them.............this is a sad situation all around and I am not sure RR and others could not have done more to help but I hate to see intentional lies printed that are intented to fan the flames of hatred among Band fans - enough already!


Entered at Mon Mar 4 18:44:42 CET 2013 from (64.231.17.86)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Friends uniting to aid musician Garth Hudson in financial jam

"Lovable" is how Sturr described the polka fan with whom he had dinner at the old Jolly Onion restaurant in Pine Island.

Hudson, whose collection of music in storage ranges from "Songs for the People of Afghanistan" to the rhythm and blues of Toni Braxton, has such a thirst for new and different sounds, he told Kraai he would like to put microphones in the woods to record bull frogs — so he could dissect their "ribbets" and create something new from nature.

"He's on a different kind of level," says Kraii, who noted that one of Hudson's favorite phrases is, "apprehending beauty."

But even though all these musicians marvel at Hudson's genius, and aren't shocked at his financial troubles, they can't quite reconcile how one man can have such mastery over one side of his life, but not the other.

"A mystery," is how Woodstock's Happy Traum, another musician whom Hudson has often played with, describes him.

"He is a mystery, that's sure right," adds Sturr.

Garth Hudson is a beautiful soul who is a musical genius and Canada gets to claim him as our own. I emailed the Weber Brothers to see if they could ask Garth to perform with them at Hugh's Room to celebrate Levon's legacy. I hope everything will work out real soon....


Entered at Mon Mar 4 18:13:30 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Web: My link

Subject: Across the Great Divide

What is really heart breaking is that all three singing voices of The Band have been stilled. Despite the congenial tone of that 1993 interview with Levon, in the wake of the comeback release of "Jericho", that same year his book with Stephen Davis painted a different picture.

The following year, The Band box set "Across The Great Divide" was released. An ad for the 3-CD set in Rolling Stone touted the group as "The Smithsonian of American Rock and Roll" (see link). That same year saw The Band inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Sadly, the 1994 ceremony became known as the year of no-shows, with the absence of not only Levon, but also Jerry Garcia for the Grateful Dead's induction, Eric Burden for the Animals and Rod Stewart


Entered at Mon Mar 4 16:52:58 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: House of Chan

Levon's favorite Toronto Chinese Restaurant was The House of Chan; at Eglinton and Bathurst. I had dinner; with him; in the summer of 2011. They called from the bus for the invite. He started going there; when he was; with The Hawks. He was playing with John Fogerty the next night. It was the last time I saw him. I would talk to him on the phone a of more times.

I still miss him terribly.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 16:42:15 CET 2013 from (64.231.17.86)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

No. It was another college. I'll let you know if you join us for Levon's Tribute with the Weber Brothers.
It was at Trinity College where I bought Levon's book at a fundraiser for 5.00.

I still can't get over that interview in 1993. Levon was cool with Robbie....It was only when the money ran out that Robbie was the evil Robertson. Some Levon loyalists still think every problem any Band member had was his fault.
Family members of mine no longer receive subsidies as I was only enabling them. I had to get help and learn how to say no. I finally learned to say to one member...I am your sibling........not your banker....very emotinal issue for me and absolutely heart breaking to see one member almost become homeless.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 16:35:14 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: At Mr. Chow with no frau?

Forget about driving away in a luxury car by himself. Was he actaully dining alone at an upscale restaurant is the real question.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 15:33:12 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.86)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: Was your friend's ancestor, the one with the UofT college, Cindy's sibling Victoria Incidentally? Also, the Bauls recorded another album on that visit to the US. Issued on CD on the Legacy label. I got mine for 3.88 at Walmart. Tom Donovan plays percussion or something.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 14:59:54 CET 2013 from (50.101.56.83)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Hey Buuuuurlington man! :-D

For Bill M:
For The Sake Of The Song
A tangled tale of Bauls, Beat poets, Bob Dylan and one woman's effort to
preserve the music and stories of West Bengal's wandering minstrels
By DEBORAH BAKER
1 May 2011

One of my friends (met at the Institute of Child Study) who had basement punk parties and who was a mod fan....knows Andrew Cash. Once we ran into him in a bar that used to be on Yonge Street. They probably ran into each other in basements as well. I on the other hand ended up in basements where reggae was played....Anyway, my impression of him was that he's very thoughtful and very politically progressive....and yes that's the NDP party.....which represents organized labour, small business and intellectuals.
Andrew's brother was the drummer for the Skydiggers at one time, who my friend also knew. I think they might of all attended the same alternative public school in the east end. Also my friend's former partner in life was in a band that actually played at a Mariposa festival. His grandfather or great grandfather has a college named after him at the University of Toronto. Once we were at the Horseshoe Tavern and while watching Blue Rodeo he said that one day he'll be playing there too....very difficult life being a musician or anyone in the arts. He was very fortunate to be with a teacher for awhile. ;-D


Entered at Mon Mar 4 14:25:50 CET 2013 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Fred not Ferd

That's happened twice in my life, both times in elementary school. I had a friend named Ferdinand who got called "Fred" & "Freddy" a lot more.

More annoying was being continuously called the previous teacher's name, by staff & students alike, during my first year of teaching junior high school in Japan. The previous teacher was a blond American named Christine. : (


Entered at Mon Mar 4 13:41:50 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.85)

Posted by:

Bill M

Thanks to Joe J for linking to sadavid's article on Ferdinand and to sadavid writing it. I still think that "Batless, capless, Hunky small" is one of the finest thumbnail sketches in popular music, one that I suspect Rick contributed to. On the issue of identity, I suspect that many a Fred was called Ferd in high school. Interesting that today's the day that our in-house Fred chose to weigh in on the Doukhobor-like practice of clothes-burning.

BEG: Coincidentally, got on the train this morning to find myself next to Andrew Cash. Had met him a couple times before and had a nice chat this time. On a related issue, between leaving L'etranger and moving back north and entering politics, Charlie Angus was in a Gram-Parsony band in Toronto called the Grievous Angels.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 11:58:10 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Joe, do you have Primark there? A touring musician explained to me that laundry service in US hotels is $2.95 for socks, $4.95 for boxer shorts. At Primark, you can buy ten pairs of socks for around $2.95. and three pairs of shorts for about $5. You just buy a load and throw them away after one use. Ecologically unsound, but economically sensible.


Entered at Mon Mar 4 10:46:13 CET 2013 from (203.160.29.153)

Posted by:

Fred

Joe J: just put all the laundry in a big pile and burn it (in the backyard naturally). Everybody loves a nice bonfire : )


Entered at Mon Mar 4 04:58:42 CET 2013 from (96.30.173.135)

Posted by:

joe j

Web: My link

Subject: Ferdinand

On week six (and last) of enforced bachelorhood. Laundry still an issue. For no particular reason I've been playing "Ferdinand" on repeat while reading Sadavid's commentary (see link).



Entered at Sun Mar 3 23:40:17 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I think I mean twice-yearly, not bi-annual.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 20:57:06 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Authors had a concerted battle to get (most) publishers to change from annual accounting to bi-annual accounting. Typically, they account (say) April 1st 2012 to September 30th 2012 and pay December 31st. Yes, computers have made it simpler but they ignore that. On annual accounting, typically a year ran from April 1st to March 30th, with payment due September 30th. I don't think musicians ever managed to win the equivalent battle.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 20:29:43 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.236)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

It's not just piracy that hurts musical income. Streaming sites are a huge detractor. Even to small fries like me, it does extreme damage to the download income. Since iTunes began offering streaming via iTunes Match, their streaming has become on a par with the downloads...., so it is clear, no streaming, more downloads...One other effect on music sales, which effects royalties is the lack of necessity to buy an entire recording, many people downlaod tracks, not projects . ... there are performance and writing royalties,and digital radio (which i hate) actually pays performance royalties. It's paid through Sound Exchange, and it covers both the sound recording and the artists performance.

Levon (estate now)and Garth do get their legal royalty income. Something to consider is that roylaty checks do not come monthly. There are all kinds of people in this world who have timed income. And often they have bill paying arrangements, be they formal or informal.There are people who pay their monthly bills ahead sometimes, and sometimes those same people get behind sometimes too. Sometimes it's all on a handshake. Sometimes someone decides hey, look what is in the palm of my hand, sometimes, there is a lot more to a story.......


Entered at Sun Mar 3 19:37:43 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Subject: ROBBIE,etc..

Hi guys:- Thanx for all the goodies. Will need more time to finish reading, and do some look-see in the great links..

If anyone wants to see a photo of ROBBIE's tribute in the Smithsonian, check out his Facebook page. Very nice, and he and family must be very proud of this...

Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo


Entered at Sun Mar 3 19:30:38 CET 2013 from (74.198.9.179)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Subject: Paying Rent.........

Jonathon Taplin in a recent debate and article blames internet piracy with being the real culprit in just destroying/erasing the kind of royalties that non- writer performers like Garth and Levon had enjoyed up to the late 90's.................We should also all remember that as much as we love the Band, they were not big sellers. At the time they disbanded in the 70's, BIg Pink had sold less than 300,000 copies...........for those in a tizzy about the lead guitarist driving a Mercedes in 2013, do remember that "How To Become Clairevoyant" sold more than that in its first week of release! Anyhow.......below is what Taplin had to say on money and Band members....

"The contradiction embodied in this wonderful man, Levon Helm, is a contradiction we are still living with in America. This is the argument I have with the Techno utopians like Alexis Obanian. 99% of musicians, writers, actors are just “working the land”. They don’t need to get rich, they just want the honor of getting paid for their work. Levon and Garth Hudson made a good living ($150,000 a year) off royalties from The Band’s eight recordings in the 60′s and 70′s up until 2001 when the Big Pirate sites like Limewire and (in 2003) Pirate Bay really got going. And then the record royalties came to a halt. Levon and Garth did not write songs (I was there). Robbie, Richard and Rick did. There is the difference in income."


Entered at Sun Mar 3 15:45:45 CET 2013 from (70.54.135.212)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Ok, here are the badges for Canadian Music Week 2003 that I had Jan H add to this site.
As far as cars go.....Garth also had a Mercedes. Rollie told me that he was the one who drove Garth to TLW in his car.
imagezulu's mom's family friend is a doctor and picks her up in his Bentley and takes her for lunch at the country club. When he was a student he stayed with them and never forgot it.
I had a student teacher once who drove me home in his Bob Marley and the Wailer car.....


Entered at Sun Mar 3 15:34:53 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

I know you weren't blaming Robbie, Rod, but a "late model Merc" is just a premium car, not a super car. It's not a Bentley, Ferrari or Lamborghini, but just the kind of car anyone with a successful career behind them might be driving at his age. Similar remarks were made when he had a BMW. In my area of the UK, most of the police cars are BMWs. In much of Europe, E-class Mercedes are the standard taxicab. OK, a £700,000 McLaren would be worth noting, but not a Merc saloon.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 15:29:20 CET 2013 from (70.54.135.212)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

I was at the Canadian Music ? where Robbie was to speak. I have the interview on cassette and now wished I paid the extra money to have it on CD. I was sooooo disappointed that he didn't play live the way Daniel Lanois did....on his steel. I was sooooo disappointed again when Robbie didn't participate in a meet and greet as well. Daniel however was very cool about meeting his fans. I brought "For The Beauty Of Wynona" and before he signed it I told him that I especially liked one song that I play over and over again. He was very interested in knowing which one....It was also because of Daniel's music that I became interested in Emmylouuu's work with him as well.

Small world....My dental hygienist's friend decorated one of his lofts. Apparently he's been seen at Cool Hand of a Girl...One of my favourite places for breakfast. Btw, one of my friends kept talking about Daniel's energy.....She was so disappointed that Robbie didn't meet fans at this venue that she kind of lost interest in him. She was mostly into his Native work and just like that.....became a fan of Lanois and erased Robbie.

I've also met Robbie (few times) , Garth (few times), Steve Forbert, Garland Jeffreys (few times), Weber Brothers (many times)....did you know that? lol and from the hockey world....Borje Salming....I'll never forget the huuuuge wad of money he took out to pay for some records. I was a huuuuge fan of the Leafs for many years and just couldn't speak.....I was just so nervous. He probably thought I didn't even recognise him! Ha!


Entered at Sun Mar 3 11:56:29 CET 2013 from (101.164.0.90)

Posted by:

dlew919

Subject: Remember my name, Fame...

The one experience I had of sitting near someone famous unexpectedly in a theatre will take soem explaining. I went and saw the musical 'Keating' which is about Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating (pm from 1993-1996). (google as to why a Prime Minister of three years would get his own musical who isn't named 'Whitlam' or 'Scullin'...). Anyway, we went on election night 2007 (in which Prime Minister John Howard was booted out of office - he lost his seat - very unusual in australia - only happened once before). Anyway, on an already auspicious night, Annita Keating, ex-wife of the subject of the musical sat right behind me. I never quite worked up the nerve to ask how she felt about the play, though I really wish I had.

as to approaching celebrities.. I don't think I'd cross a room to speak to someone, or interrupt a conversation. But if I was in a lift? or perhaps on a plane, there'd be a few who I'd express some appreciation for the enjoyment their work had given me. I always remember a lovely story about Charlton Heston - a couple came up to him and said 'this mightn't mean much to you, but we've enjoyed everything you've acted in'. Heston replied: 'You're wrong. It means everything to me.'


Entered at Sun Mar 3 11:16:19 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Love For Levon

UK alert: amazon.co.uk just announced release as an import at £24.99. Expensive, but by the time you factor in post for one direct from the USA, probably efficient.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 11:14:19 CET 2013 from (82.69.47.175)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: Original Album Series

These are packs of five albums on CD in facsimile original card sleeves, usually at between £11.99 and £15 for the lot. Some earlier ones like Simon & Garfunkel had three albums, but now they're all five, I think.

I'd never realized how many there were until I just discovered amazon.co.uk has 29 pages of them. I see them quite often, but no shop seems to have more than a dozen or so at any time, and recently there have been displays of the jazz ones in the series … I recommend The Weather Report one. In the past I've suggested the Randy Newman volume with five albums as the best way of buying him. The first five Byrds are equally desirable. I often pick them up, but the only one that followed me to the cash register was The Everly Brothers as it has two hard to find gems: Two Yanks in England and Rock & Soul. They're great. Nice card replicas, and the original running order, no exhumed bonus tracks.

John, I expect you have the same issue as me … I often have three of the five already. I couldn't find the Jefferson Airplane one looking just now, but I've had it in my hand in stores in the past. It has three I've got on CD from memory when I was looking, and one, Bless Its Pointed Little Head, I have on vinyl, but haven't played in years. From recall, it's blistering live set, but if I just want to hear the track, I probably would listen to the original.

For collectors who have fewer, they're all astonishing value. I'm going to order The Young Rascals set, which I hadn't seen in the shops, but saw just now.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 08:09:07 CET 2013 from (122.59.251.42)

Posted by:

Rod

Subject: Garth and Robbie

So sad to see Garth's stuff up for sale while Robbie is driving around in a late model Merc. I'm not blaming Robbie, I'm sure they both made their own decisions along the way. I just hope Garth earned what he was entitled to from the original Q5. (I guess "entitled to" is the sticking point). I do wonder if the 90's Band ruined Danko, Helm and Hudson financially.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 06:37:41 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.100)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Subject: Keep an open mind and COMPARISONS

Jerry, you and I are allowed to our opinions, different as they may be. But, even without knowing the details, put yoursellef in a slightly more open frame of mind. Try reading 3 or 4 of those articles, and consider the tone and content of the landlord's quotes. Does he come off as someone who'd actully let a storage tenant run up a 60 or 70k bill?. Or does he come off needlessly crude and rude? And the articles do not state that he tried to get Levon or RR to pay the bill, or that he asked them to buy the items. Rolling Stone has "Piazza had also attempted to partner with Hudson's former bandmates Robbie Robertson and the late Levon Helm to sell the items as a fundraiser, but Piazza said neither showed interest" which reads as though he was asking them to help sell Garth's belongings off. Do you think that either RR or Levon would want to get involved in that? Would you want your friends to auction or sell off your belongings, or would you even want your friend to buy them for his or herself?. Help you out, yeah, that's different. .....I've had storage facilities. When I split up with my old lady I put my furniture,. construction equipment, and all sorts of stuff in a enormous storage locker and even left it there the first several years i was in st louis.. Point is, i read those kind of contracts. i don't recall the period of time a storage facility must allow as a grace period before they can confiscate a tenants possessions in astorage unit that has not been paid for, but i don't think it even goes as long as a year. this guy does not sound like someone whom would wait any longer than he had to before he confiscated some one's possessions. What about the part of the articles that stated that he was in discussions with Amercian Picker but they backed off, obviously out of fear fo legal action from Hudson?. what kind of guy tries to gain notoriety and profit that way?....there ain't no way that bill is 60 or 70k.

Some of the articles, the guy gets pretty mean with some of the things he was quoted saying.

Garth and Maud are tough and they ain't stupid either. remember that. Might Garth be unusual? Of course. But let's put things in perspective. compare Garth's musicianship to that of the average person. Now compare Garth's eccenticities to those of the average person. Has anyone had a GREATER impact on the sounds we listen to since the early 60s than garth? His eccentricities are minimal in relation to the behavior of the average person if you compare them to his musicianship in relation to that of the average person or even the average musician. Garth's excessive musicality compared to he average musicality, enormously outweigh his eccentircities of behavior compoared to whaht might be considered average or the norm of behavior.

This landlord does not sound on the up and up to me. If he wanted to garner sympathy for himslef his tone should have been much different. His behavior and tone sound much too antagonsitic and crude for him to be a believable figure. Add in the realities of legalities and his contacting Amercian Picker, it's fishy...

As David P. is our resident expert on legal matters, he can attest that noone can expect the Hudsons to make public statement regarding this, as it is a legal matter.But besides that, they just aren't the type to dicsuss things publicly.Garth is a guy who just wants to live his life and work at music.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 03:11:06 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Original Album Series / Peter Viney

Well Peter I'm still interested in your opinion; but I just went to Amazon.ca and Amazon.com and they have the same series; however it is Amazon.uk that really keeps me up to date for some reason.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 03:05:04 CET 2013 from (99.244.253.166)

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Original Album Series u.k. / Peter Viney

Peter, I receive regular emails; from Amazon.uk. I was wondering what you thought of the Original Album Series that is now being sold. I think some of the packages look pretty good and the prices aren't bad.


Entered at Sun Mar 3 00:49:51 CET 2013 from (184.144.110.87)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: Corrections
Web: My link

So cold out today but hardly any snow.

I meant we have three major political parties. Yes, the NDP is the second party as we speak and was so provincially at one time. In general....Most people regard the Liberal and Conservative parties as the most main stream. I was thinking about my friends and they represent all three parties but my closest friends in general vote as I do. The friends I visited down south are conservative and her husband is ultra-conservative.....We can't even have a discussion. He just lectures me. We've agreed to not talk politics anymore. And yes....The article was dated 2011. I posted the link because of what Garth and other musicians are going through....although for some like some of my family members.....It wouldn't matter how much money they earned.....They will always live beyond their means.....They were my best teachers and so I became a frugalista for life.
Yesterday's corrections....Monterey happened in 1967 not 1968 and "Cigarettes and Coffee" came out in 1968, not 1967.



Entered at Sat Mar 2 23:52:40 CET 2013 from (68.171.231.88)

Posted by:

Bill M

BEG: The NDP is Canada's second party, as things stand. And the copyright bill that Charlie Angus wanted to replace wound up being reintroduced - and passed into law last year.


Entered at Sat Mar 2 21:27:12 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F.

Web: My link

Subject: Emmylou Harris and Rodney Crowell

If anyone is a fan of either Emmylou Harris or Rodney Crowell they should check out the attached link from NPR. Their new collaborative cd 'Old Yellow Moon' is very good. My favorite track is their version of Patti Scialfa's song 'Spanish Dancer'.


Entered at Sat Mar 2 20:56:41 CET 2013 from (97.116.43.103)

Posted by:

Jerry

I'm glad that Garth will have a chance to save his stuff but feel it's wrong to portray the landlord as a bad guy. I disagree with some calling him heartless and lacking a sense of history. From what I've read he reached out to both Levon and Robbie about doing something and was told they didn't have interest. I guess I'm not sure what else he's supposed to do under the circumstances. Hopefully all involved can come to an agreement that is satisfactory to both sides and this can be over..


Entered at Sat Mar 2 13:35:44 CET 2013 from (70.54.132.247)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

From L'Etranger post-punk rockers Charlie Angus and Andrew Cash.....to members of Parliament from our third party...The New Democratic Party....mine too.

"While Cash maintains that his focus will be on serving his constituents and forwarding the overall NDP agenda, Angus says he will continue his ongoing battle to amend the Copyright Act. The recent dissolution of Parliament effectively killed Bill C-32, which proposed making it a criminal offence to transfer any digital rights management (DRM) protected material to other digital media platforms. The U.S. has had such a law in place since 1998, and Angus has made it one of his goals to find a uniquely Canadian solution that is fair to both artists and consumers. He went so far as to introduce a private member's bill in 2010 that wanted to add MP3 players to items covered by the "blank media tax," which gives copyright holders a portion of CD-R sales, rather than criminalizing those who copy material for, in some cases, strictly personal use.

On May 17, Angus, flanked by Cash, Nantel and Benskin, formally got this message out to the Ottawa press corps, adding during the news conference that he would like to see the Canadian Pension Plan amended to help provide full-time artists with more financial security. While reporters were less than impressed by a lack of hard numbers, Angus remained dogged in saying that the NDP will not let arts and culture fall off the Conservatives' radar.

At the same time, Angus believes it's up to artists to continue speaking out as well, and that Cash's victory is a prime example of how doing so can produce real results. "I think Andrew's run made a lot of [musicians] say, 'Why shouldn't we have a voice in Parliament?' Artists don't have pensions or security. It's a sector that's bigger than the auto industry, but in terms of job stability, it's brutal. My hope is that English Canada starts taking some lessons from Quebec where the artistic community is very active politically, and is a force to be reckoned with."

Andrew Cash receives around 2,400.00 every time his song is featured on TV show "Dragon's Den".


Entered at Sat Mar 2 12:41:58 CET 2013 from (70.54.132.247)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Auction halted, Garth Hudson asks court to create trust


Entered at Sat Mar 2 06:08:58 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.100)

Posted by:

Billy C,(Friend0

Web: My link

Subject: Hooray!;Garth Got a Court Order Holding The Auction Up!

See the link. My opinion is, money is money, but money isnl;t everything.Should this guy take a total loss on whatever the amount actually is, no, but, her needs to have a sense of compassion and history, culture, etc etc. He comes across as totally heartless.

This would be a good time for something for the cause at the Barn, .... Hopefully they are already working on it....just sayin.


Entered at Sat Mar 2 05:27:45 CET 2013 from (76.68.48.213)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

...watching once again a movie with Benecio Del Toro ("Things We Lost In The Fires") and he's listening to VU's "Sweet Jane" on head phones....good enough for me. Benecio also had a child with Rod's daughter Kimberly Stewart.

Otis Redding...Cigarettes and Coffee (Sorry made a mistake it was in 1967)


Entered at Sat Mar 2 05:13:39 CET 2013 from (76.68.48.213)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: :-D
Web: My link

Judge puts hold on plan to auction property of Garth Hudson of The Band
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, AP March 1, 2013 6:04 PM

Pat B: You would love my friends who are renting a home in Fort Morgan, as they loooooove to visit forts in the USA and Canada. As we were walking down from the grounds where I was taking some photos....I was talking about racism in general. I brought up when Otis was backed my Booker T and The MG's.....They performed in Monterey in 1968. (He died six months later at 26). It was predominately whites in attendance....Previous to this show Otis played for predominately black audiences. My friend couldn't believe that it was illegal at one time to have inter-racial marriages also, (1967 became legal), etc......Anyway, someone behind me piped up and said how she actually saw Otis Redding in LA in the sixties!!!! She kept telling me that I have to listen to "Cigarettes and Coffee" when I get home (as I had his music at home and my friends were mostly into bluegrass).....She insisted that I had to listen to that song......Hmmmm...I don't usually do as I'm told so I'll have to listen and report back....Oh yeah.....I get it now...except for me it would have to be herbal tea.....lol


Entered at Sat Mar 2 01:12:46 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F

Subject: Fame

There was a Jerry Garcia quote that I can't remember exactly, but it was something about famous artists should be treated like carpenters. They're just craftsman doing their job. I thought that was very noble. However, I don't remember if he said he wanted to get paid a carpenters salary.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 23:39:02 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

"So Mrs Lincoln, other than that, how was the play?


Entered at Fri Mar 1 23:24:28 CET 2013 from (109.68.196.91)

Posted by:

Peter V

Subject: celebs

Their safest place is the theatre. I've been sat right behind Nicole Kidman, shared the pre-lunch restaurant line with Patrick Stewart, sat next to Jeremy Paxman, Mrs V sat next to Brian May, and no one ever disturbs them. I think that's only fair.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 22:10:33 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Thanks Bob……I enjoy looking at those type of lists – artist’s favorites. Every now and then I stumble onto something that I didn’t know about……….and sometimes quite revealing for all sorts of reasons……………I recall years ago John Paul Jones of Led Zep fame talking about the lovely Kylie Minogue smash hit “Can’t Get You Out of My Head” and referring to it as perfect – marvelling at its production. Every time I heard it after that I thought of this……..Funny one was Keith Richards listing of top RS songs…he picked all the obvious ones…Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash, etc……..when questioned on this he replied…that they were obvious for a reason “They were the best ones!” No pretension that Keith….


Entered at Fri Mar 1 20:58:22 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: A&R Studios

Phil Ramone and his partner Jack Arnold started A&R Recording in 1958 in a sudio above Manny's Music store on W. 48th in NYC. Such classic recordings as "The Genius of Ray Charles", with Tom Dowd at the board, were recorded there. In 1968 A&R bought Columbia's Studio A at 799 Seventh Ave. and relocated there. This is the studio where Dylan recorded "Like A Rolling Stone" and other classic tracks. He later returned to A&R to record the New York sessions for "Blood on the Tracks".


Entered at Fri Mar 1 20:55:26 CET 2013 from (68.198.167.170)

Posted by:

Bob F

Web: My link

Subject: Marianne Faithful's Favorite Albums

This link was on Expecting Rain. Dylan and The Band are among her favorites.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 19:52:40 CET 2013 from (74.108.32.67)

Posted by:

Joan

Subject: Privacy

JT I agree with you. When you walk around NYC you often see "celebrities, I feel they are entitled to be left alone. Some years ago Richard and I were waiting to cross the street. A couple was next to us. The first thing I noticed was a fantastic pair of leather pants. Then I realized it was Carly Simon and JT. I whispered to Richard. The noticed us talking and got a little nervous. We never spoke to them which I think they appreciated..I've seen lots of other "celebs" on the street. I used to pass an anchorman every day on the way home. We got to the point where we would smile at each other and nod Hi,


Entered at Fri Mar 1 19:43:45 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Web: My link

Sorry to hear this David. Phil Ramone is a very special guy. I watch the Tom Dowd doc "Language of Music" ( highyly reccommeded )once a year or so and always enjoy the Phil Ramone parts. What a talent.

Above LINK is just a little sample of what he did and why he was so good. I always liked the legend that the Ramones of Dee and Johnny fame were named after him.......blurry as to whether that is true or not....but a great name nevertheless....


Entered at Fri Mar 1 19:13:18 CET 2013 from (156.47.15.10)

Posted by:

David P

Subject: Phil Ramone

The great record producer & engineer Phil Ramone is reportedly in critical condition at a New York City hospital after suffering an aortic aneurysm.

Mr. Ramone has worked with a who's who of artists over the years including The Band. He engineered "Rock of Ages" and six songs from "Music From Big Pink" were recorded at Mr. Ramone's A&R Recording Studio in NYC -- Tears of Rage, The Weight, We Can Talk, Chest Fever, Lonesome Suzie and This Wheel's On Fire.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 18:59:58 CET 2013 from (70.53.44.128)

Posted by:

Kevin J

Ari…….We were just having fun and glad you took it that way……always good to see your posts…….As to the NPR interview…yes, I came across that a week or so back when looking for something on the influence of Bob Dylan and posted it here…….What was striking was that it was post-book and that he not only mentions Robbie’s name but concedes RR did write most of the songs.......That article Mike H posted yesterday also sheds some light on Levon’s issues with money and quite easy to extrapolate on why he had some issues with the guy who controlled the Band’s purse strings – especially in down times – which 1993 was not tellingly. Just too bad, that the silly red-herring of songwriting got thrown into this mix………..The other bit in that article that was SO refreshing was the author actually getting it right on the writing but most surprisingly even mentioning Richard Manuel’s contributions in that area. .It is as if he has been totally forgotten when all these articles are usually written.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 18:51:09 CET 2013 from (108.90.18.26)

Posted by:

Pat B

BEG, Fort Morgan? It's about time you started hitting American Civil War sites.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 18:26:46 CET 2013 from (96.54.178.226)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: It was a very good year...

Age 17. I remember it... not so well. We all had stars in our eyes. I saw things somewhat differently then.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 17:56:43 CET 2013 from (76.68.48.213)

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Web: My link

Thanks for reminding us Ari.
Both interviews 1993 and 2007 with Levon and NPR.

Speaking of the south....As I was on the plane at Pensicola, Florida traveling to Houston, Texas....I said to the man beside me who sounded Texan....."Oh, we're in Bush country now" (airport is named after him). He thought I was American and from NYC, eh? lol We chatted a bit..mostly comparing weather of the south and Canadian winters.....I said that our winters are nothing compared to the ones I remember as a child and said it was due to global warming over the years. As we landed in Houston, he said he knew I wasn't a conservative.....I said, "Huh......We only talked about the weather." He said, "Conservatives don't talk about global warming." Small dose of American politics.....
Some highlights in Gulf Shores, Alabama was seeing dolphins by the beach (Fort Morgan) and waving to the Carnival cruise ship (fire caused cruise ship to be tugged to Mobile, Alabama)....and just sitting on the beach meditating as not many people present at this time of year.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 17:29:46 CET 2013 from (70.192.64.199)

Posted by:

Ari

Kevin: I didn't mean for it to read the way it did, they just happened to be older. I hope that post didn't offend anyone. I hate cellphones too but I'm making a movie and it was just ridiculous how much of a disadvantage it was to not have a smart phone. That said, it's extremely handy, gets the job done like a charm. I'd also like to point out that when I spoke to Paul I wasn't mindful of the circumstances, I was 17 so over thinking going up to McCartney wasnt in my playbook. You'd be surprised at your own behavior when in the presence of a Beatle. By the way, I don't post to often but I am always reading what is said in here. I don't remember who posted it but that NPR interview with levon from 93 was fantastic. It makes me happy just to hear Levon say the names of his band mates. Especially Robbie. Great posts as of late. Really enjoyed reading all this. Anybody know when the midnight ramble part 3 is coming out?


Entered at Fri Mar 1 15:55:44 CET 2013 from (24.108.143.105)

Posted by:

JT

Location: Victoria and Toronto intermittently

Subject: Privacy and dignity

Privacy is to be respected. When someone one doesn't know personally is recognized, my view is that they should not be accosted (unless there is danger or some other profound unusual circumstance). In my view, it is selfish and insensitive to approach public personalities (actors, musicians etc) in public places to engage them in conversation for the usual reasons. How many times have we read about how difficult it is to maintain a private 'normal' life when you are 'out there' in the arts or sports. I know the old argument - if you are a public person, then you should expect this kind of adulation and all the baggage that goes with it. I don't agree with that at all. If someone is out alone or with friends or family, and they are recognized by a stranger to them, they have every right to be left alone to live their own life in that circumstance. It is respectful. To interrupt that even with the best intentions in my view is just plain wrong. I know this view is not shared by many, but with autographs and other such discussions occurring here, it is my view that we should step back and show some respect and maintain our own personal dignity by respecting others privacy. The place for meeting celebrities is where and when they make themselves available to us. That occurs sometimes after performances (in Victoria, at least) or at signings.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 14:42:46 CET 2013 from (204.138.59.92)

Posted by:

Bill M

Kevin J: MASH died in the plane crash with Henry Blake. The rest was just a zombie.

But yes, it can make you feel old. Speaking of which, I went to a jazz club yesterday evening to support an old friend / former colleague (from '86-'87) whose trio was playing. I got there just as they were trooping up for the second set - first song, "The Weight". Got to talking to the guy across the table, and soon realised that he too was a former colleague from the same place, but '81. The poor guy had aged a good 30 years since then, unlike myself. Can't imagine why he didn't recognise me.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 05:53:05 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.247)

Posted by:

Billy C. (Friend0

Kevin- i still use flip phones... and still hate cellphones. Beer, i don't know the percent , i just drink it. Guinness, or Becks, or a plain wheat beers, Halcyon is a good one. Had 4 absolut and tonics the other night. Over a 6 hour period. Got home, what 5 or 5 :30 AM. Took me the whole next day to recover. This aging crap is just that..... i swear, if it wasn't for using cell phones, i;d a recovered faster,haha


Entered at Fri Mar 1 04:05:18 CET 2013 from (74.198.9.197)

Posted by:

Kevin J

.....and I either want - NOW - what Ari was consuming or perhaps better....the absolute COOL of those geezers in the park that would entice the great Paul McCartney to "ask" to hold one of their instruments only to be shooed away tail between his legs......just when you think you have heard it all.....Message to world.....time to get back to flip phones and 5% beer..


Entered at Fri Mar 1 03:47:47 CET 2013 from (69.121.106.247)

Posted by:

Billy C.(Friend0

Subject: Ari

Give up the sauce, your phone will understand you better.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 02:50:33 CET 2013 from (66.65.95.192)

Posted by:

Ari

Again, many apologies for the poor grammar and funky phrasing, the iPhone has this funny function where you speak into the phone and it translates it into text. Sometimes it gets messed up if you slur your words.


Entered at Fri Mar 1 01:16:05 CET 2013 from (70.192.74.235)

Posted by:

Ari

Subject: Macca

About three years Ago I was in Amagansett eating lunch with my mother, younger brother and his friends. I was reading Rolling Stones 500 greatest songs, the coffee book edition mind you, reading the top 20. Was reading over a little section on the song Yesterday When my mom whispered to me "Look to your right it's Sir Paul". Lo and behold, sitting a few tables away from us on a beautiful July Saturday was in fact a Beatle in the flesh. I hate seeing people I have a lot of respect for because then I feel that pressure of "should I go out to them or not, if I don't I'll kick myself tomorrow". My brother's Friends encouraged me to get his autograph as I was reading a section on Macca himself. What a coincidence! So now I worked up the courage to go up to him, while he was eating his lunch, while he was with his kids, while he was enjoying himself on a summer day, and I asked for an autograph. I can't tell you how nervous I was, I couldn't help thinking "if this goes over badly I'll never want to listen to another McCartney song again". So I make it over Held out my rolling stone book and asked for his autograph. He just grinned and shook my hand, "No" was all he said.

. Actually what Happened was that I told them I was a big fan nothing I'm actually admirer of his work and then I'd really love to have his autograph. He did say no but added in a very "Paul" way "I can't do that because of legal things and as you can see this is a very personal brunch ans then other folks will come over blah blah blah". I don't know exactly what his reasoning was but I nodded and smiled. "But I will shake your hand". And I was kind of like yeah that's even better than an autograph and what else thinking et cetera. The funny thing is that when I held out the Rolling Stone book he actually did take it But just before he handed it back to me he looked at what he was holding and there was a big picture of Bob Dylan and his song "blowing in the wind" on the page. Paul looked at it with a big Question mark On his face and I said then oh no you have to flip it around. And then he didn't saw the yesterday blurb, but it was still really funny. _

Then just this past summer I saw him again, twice! The first time I saw him I was standing right behind and he was talking to some kid. Paul asked you played any instruments and the kid was like yeah I play violin. Then Paul does this really funny thing where he pantomimed playing the violin and hummed this little song. Then he said the violin very impressive. He said it in the most paul way possible. Then he was was ordering and his wife was complaining about having the bike back to their house from where they were, and Paul said, again in a very Paul way "we'll I guess we'll just have to do it then." There was a small park concert outside Was a band comprised of a bunch of old guys that own the record store in the area was setting up the stage. I don't know what the hell they were thinking the Paul literally walked up to them and asked to hold one of the guitars and try it out but they never asked him "hey Paul do you want to play a song". And then they just let him walk away. It was heartbreaking. Maybe they weren't done setting up but they sure looked like they were done, they also Had a bass right there for him to play. It had Paul written all over it. I'm serious it was heartbreaking. Was literally too hard to ask him do you want to play a song, it could've even been acoustic it's a tiny park. He walked up to them!! Anyways I apologize for any spotty writing or grammar I basically just dictated this to my new iPhone. But yeah I don't really understand why people ask for autographs anyways. I have one from Willie Mays but that's about it


Entered at Fri Mar 1 01:12:16 CET 2013 from (99.237.0.147)

Posted by:

Serenity

Web: My link

Subject: Richard Street dead at 70 of the Temptations..

Another Temptations singer has passed away. His wife says,"they're dancing in heaven, him and Damon", who died a few days ago..RIP.. You made us happy with your great music here. Nice to be able to keep on listening to it.

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KEVIN J:Forgiven.. We all have our own opinions..

MIKE H: Nice book..

BEG: Don't think GARTH would leave anything of value behind..

Great posts and links as usual..Thanx to all.

CYA soon xoxoxo


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