The Band Guestbook, April 2003

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Peter Viney

I thought Levon has said he played bass on Mystery train. Saved is the straightforward predictable line-up, as far as I know. Happy to be corrected if anyone has more info.

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Jimmy K

Subject: Journey into the past...

What an emotional journey going through this site. I haven't heard stuff like this in years... Those old days rocked!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Sipping the Wine

Funny, I'm playing the Shape I'm In on my laptop right now (TLW version) Anyway, Blue Nun takes me back about a dozen years. Forget how it tastes except it was a white wine and the girlfriend I was dating at the time.....ahh, well ...best change the subject. Peter, I am encouraged about what you said about the Chilean wines. I would be more than happy to reinvestigate them. What I said about the pesticides applies to any number of countries too. The scary thing is you just don't completely know. And I do not exempt the U.S. either.

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Peter Viney

David's post reminded me of our favourite early 70s tipple, known as "Carafino". The label stated "produce of one or more European countries" which was vague but encouraging, and it came in Rose, Sweet White, Medium White and Red. We used to call it Parafino because it tasted like paraffin which never stopped us drinking it. I think it was around 50p a litre. Whatever else has happened in 30 years, wine has improved a lot. Remember Blue Nun?

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Peter Viney

Empty Now: I can’t recall the tune of American Stars & Bars! When I track it down, I’ll respond. You have me interested!

JTull Fan: Well, let’s go from one extreme (Cuba) to the other (Chile). I was mildly worried by your note as a consumer of Chilean wines. There are several organic ones sold in the UK. They say that because of the altitude of the vineyards they don’t need pesticides (and they are grown on pre-1870s French root stock, unlike any other modern wines).

Ben Pike- SPIN of Newcastle, UK are advertising The Marmalade “Kaleidescope” (quoted as a “psych / prog” album!) in their latest catalogue. Tel UK (+44) 191 2614741. If you can’t get through to them, e-mail me (viney “at” mailbox.co.uk) I’d guess the time difference as 6 hours ahead of Texas.

Other gems from the same catalogue are Holy Modal Rounders “Good Taste is Timeless” and “The Moray Eels”. And Zoot Money “As & Bs – The Singles.” + Seatrain “Watch” (1973) which I assume is the albu,m after Marblehead Messenger.

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David Powell

Kalervo: I did read your post about Handsome Lake and it prompted me to find out more about this historical figure & his code.

In some respect, the Native Americans have found a way to exact revenge on the "miserable whites". The Indians now run many profitable gambling casinos all across the U.S. where they wisely provide top-flight entertainment, serve firewater & induce the patrons to foolishly throw away their money in clever games of chance. Wise men know that the odds are always in favour of the house.

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JTUll Fan

Subject: 2 buck upchuck

Trader Joe's: That's a countrywide chain that has an impressive and reasonably, actually cheaply, priced selection of specialty and health foods. WIne: for $6.00 per bottle, you can actually get drinkable wine that is pretty decent. I find the $10.00-$12.00 range to be more than good if you know how to shop around, and that is my most common price range. I can get most local vineyards for this cost. For $16-$19.00, you can get some really good wine, but unless you imbibe regularly it's still a crapshoot and no guarantee that it will be any more enjoyable than a $10.00 bottle, and perhaps not even better than a $6.00 bottle. $20.00 + is a rare treat for me, and usually not worth the price. Perhaps a winetaster like Al Stewart can appreciate the diiference, but I usually find that this price range is nothing more than a $10-$15.00 bottle marked up after a good review, or a successful vintage that, as it runs out of stock, becomes more in demand for that very reason and thus marked up sharply. I'd much rather find an equally good cheaper bottle and enjoy the pleasure of discovering something new.

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JQ

Subject: David Powell

David - Send me your address if you want & I'll tell you about my time at WRFG and working in Buckhead: johntstevenson@earthlink.net

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Kalervo

Subject: Consume society beats Handsome Lake

Hahhaa...the world is really ungrateful...When I write a heartfelt message about Handsome Lake and his way to sobriety, only reaction I get is something nonsense about beers...Oh Lord why didn' t you let Indians win these miserable whites! Even here there would be less talk about those boring musicians from 70' s. Please the great Creator of viruses, do the job of mercy!

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bassmanlee

Subject: Lend me your ears (and opinions)

John D & D. Powell, another interesting Dylan cover (Zimmicentric?) disk is Tim O'Brien's "Red On Blonde", although it samples from different albums, not just one.

Lars, Rick's voice is an inspiration. The past few years of mostly NOT singing with electrified backup (or something) has allowed a step or two more on my upper range. The day I could do "It Makes No Difference" brought tears of joy. I've since started doing other songs that explore that "Ricky feel" although not Band songs. Any time I can get that range I feel like I am conjuring the ghost...

And now to the titular subject...getting a windfall of a few freebie disks from BMG. Any opinions on 1) A bluegrass/country group "Pinmonkey", 2) David Baerwald's "Here Comes The New Folk Underground", 3) Mark Knopfler's "Rag Picker's Dream", 4) Kottke/Gordon's "Clone", 5) Sam Phillip's "Fan Dance", or either of Robert Earl Keen's last two disks, "Walking Distance" and "Gravitational Forces". Thanks. (Oh, and note that BMG is now carrying a lot of Lost Highway titles.)

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David Powell

Subject: Bottle of Wine

JQ: From my younger days, I remember some other California wines that sold for under $2 -- Thunderbird, Boone's Farm & Ripple. The problem was that they were so terrible you could have called them "two buck upchuck" (:-) Glad the inexpensive wines have changed with the times.

That reminds me that Danko/Andersen/Fjeld did a fine cover of the Tom Paxton folk classic, "Bottle of Wine", on the "Ridin' on the Blinds" album.

Check out link above to story on alternative radio in Atlanta.

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Dave Z

Looks like John Trudell is playing at the Colony in Woodstock on 5/18... If anybody local goes please post or email me (dlzuck AT zucks.com) how it went... I am hoping to catch his show down the line closer to home... now I gotta get back to a household fighting off colds... btw, I hereby ammmmend my list to include Rockin' Chair, We Can Talk, etc,... because you are right, beautiful songs... oh, one more thing... a while back I mentioned a Zen Guitar book by Philip Toshio Sudo... well, it turns out all zen books aren't alike... this one has two Band quotes as head of chapters in it... (1) For chapter titled "Decide" it has Robbie saying "If it does right by the song, you've made the right decision." (2) For chapter titled "Balance" it has Rick saying "I tried to play in front of the beat in a way that didn't rush it, or behind the beat in a way that didn't drag it."... Sounds like musical calculus to me... I only give the book 4 stars though because it didn't have a chapter with a quote where Garth tells us how to plug the guitar into the rear end of some black box or piece of junk in order to ferret out some kind of primal ressonance to ail us while we pass the time... take care blokes and folks...

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Al Edge

Empty Now - I can assure you as one who lived through it that the reasons for and the actualities of the 39 deaths at Heysel are rather more complex and horrific than stated in that brief link you posted. With respect I'm not sure The Band website is the place for it to be dealt with as it can only be a fleeting one and thus pays scant respect to the people involved. The tragic irony was that only when 96 Liverpool fans were crushed to death at Hillsborough 4 years later did the full depth of the grief of the Italian people come home to Liverpudlians as we dealt with our own tragedy. In such respect we and they are no different to anybody else. What I can say as someone who was present at both is that even writing this little piece invokes real pain inside. I know you never mean any harm as you're such a good soul but just for me can you please not refer to it again. Thanks friend.

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JQ

Subject: 2-buck Chuck and bass on MDM

Is Levon the bass on Mystery Train? Who is playing bass on Saved?

While wine is a topic - We have a specialty type grocery store out here called Trader Joe's. They have been selling a line of wines from Charles Shaw: Cab, Merlot & Chardonnay for $1.99 a bottle. It's been a big deal here because of its quality (and value) - very drinkable altogether.

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John D

Yes Fred, Ronnie did to a series for the CTV Network a number of years ago and yes Bev who was a member of his band was on the show along with many other great guest and "fiends" of Ronnie. Ian Tyson also did a show based out of the same studios (CFTO studios) situated in the east end of Toronto in Scarborough.

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Bill

Fred: How does your family feel about Ajax? The fact that I was born in a town of that name often caused Europeans to doubletake when they looked at my documents. Also, though I never saw it (having been outside the country for most of the early '80s), I have seen references to a Hawkins TV series. I can't imagine it being anything other than hideous. As for Bev D'Angelo, I met her once, in the lounge at Dublin airport in '87. My wife and I sat beside another couple, who turned out to be Bev and then-flame Neil Jordan. Turned out that she and my wife had shared a house in Toronto years before, so they had fun getting caught up.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Fred/Wine

Fred, you are right about Chilean wines being good, but the agrochemical issue is a very real one and probably involves many more countries than Chile. They are just the ones I know about. We think it's great every time we ban some nasty pesticide stateside, but we don't stop and think about what we are importing. Not to say that the reverse isn't sometimes true as well. But there is some nasty stuff out there that you don't think about when you are at the grocery or wine store and especially with fresh produce/grapes. You can't just rinse some of this stuff off, and U.S. law, while banning use of some chemicals/pestides domestically, does not require labeling of food contaminated with these same things from being imported. I only know about the Chilean wine issue from friends at winetastings who are int organic wines, etc.

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Kay

Subject: Big Al Anderson

Charlie Young and David Powell: Al has been living quietly in Santa Fe for awhile now. He's not playing locally because he wants to keep a low profile, but Delbert McClinton persuaded him to come onstage for a few songs during a recent show at one of the Indian casinos, a benefit for the Imus Ranch. He sang a romantic ballad, made the girls swoon. And he's still pretty big....

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Fred

JTull: all those chemicals in Chilean wine..that's what gives it that extra flavour!! (on a serious note, it's a shame they still practice that really....they make some nice affordable wines in Chile)

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Empty Now

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Fred

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Fred

Speaking of Ronnie Hawkins, didn't he have a TV show (CTV I think) back in the early '80s? I have this image,in my mind, of Beverly D'Angelo singing on the show (also Levon, too). Or did my fertile imagination make this up? Any fellow Canadians out there remember this programme?

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rosalind

Frank - R. B. Morris is a wonderful poet / songwriter and sometimes actor "The Man Who Lives Here Is Loony", (the turbulent life James Agee) Both men are natives of Knoxville, Tennessee .Morris performs his one-man show mixing his poetry with music, but recently has been focusing primarily on Nashville work. His influence, Southern writers, Dylan, certain Beat poets.. He worked on a literary magazine called "The Hard Knoxville Review" that was much apreciated by a cult following, including me. the song "Roy" is on his 1997 album "Take That Ride", it's probably available for purchase. He's quite a find indeed. I'm happy you're spending time with Waits. He did change my life ... I could tell you how but I guess this place is for Band stuff. Please call me Roz .. everyone else does.

Damn, I need sleep.

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Empty Now

Just re-scrolled the GB : This is really a wonderful place

Jtull : Thanks for feedback

For those who are not informed about the Heysel Tragedy of 1985, check the link. I intended a cryptographic style to discuss with Al to not disturb the Football enemies in the GB.
After my last post, something amazing the title of the link page above in under the sonority of TNTDODD….TDTFD

I am impatient to read Mr Peter Viney reply…in priority for « American Stars and Bars » thread

Helena : Thanks for your posts

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JTull Fan

Subject: Hawk Cancer Free

Wonderful news that reinforces my belief: Stay away from doctors, they will kill you!

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JB

Subject: HAWKINS CANCER FREE !

This is GREAT NEWS. Hawkins is a NATIONAL HERO right up there with Stompin Tom Conners. RIGHT ON RONNIE !-------------(from muchmoremusic.com: )--------------------"Ronnie Hawkins is miraculously cancer-free. Less than a year ago Hawkins was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and underwent several unsuccessful surgeries. The Rockabilly singer says his recovery is due to unconventional remedies, which included "whisky and pot". Hawkins tried all kinds of treatments including Indian recipes, but he isn't sure what cured him in the end. The Hawk has begun rehearsing again and his immediate plan is to get on the road for a mini-tour across Ontario this summer."

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Helena R.

Subject: Moondog Matinee credits

Peter and others!!! Thank you for answering. I guess that however precise one would like to be there are always some uncertaintys with details. But it´s fun trying to recognise a certain style of your favourite musician or producer. Peter: Concerning your work with the article I suppose it must have been very interesting comparing the songs to the originals. Again that´s my fascination about music and listening - how and why they choose a certain sound and a certain way of putting the song/the instruments and the whole album together. Sometimes pure coincidince - which makes it even more exciting. I would really like to discuss more but my kids are waiting. By for now and take care. //Helena

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JTull Fan

Subject: Empty Now's last post

Empty Now: I had a laugh over your last post and your GB name: Scotch, wine, beer, and it's all 'Empty Now'! For me, I had to give up beer last summer as it was starting to go to my gut, but I am happy to say that I can once again fit into my 'Life is a Carnival, Two Bits a Shot' Band tour shirt from '94 or so. IF I were to drink beer, it would be Boddington's from the U.K. For Scotch, Knockando, Talisker, or Glenmorange, and for wine, I tend to support the local Virginia Wineries, where there is a tremendous burgeoning wine industry and culture, or Autralian/New Zealand wines. I stay away from the Chileans, as they still use banned agrochemicals, such as ddt, etc., and it gets into the vintage.

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Empty Now

Roz: A place for music, and a place for all what concerns The Band

I titled one of my recent posts concerning The Band albums by a trade Mark of wine (a gift from God, as a suggestion to some friends GBers, whose I failed to send a bottle) . That’s not chauvinistic, we the Civilization of wine (Mediterranean) know that the oldier it is, the tastiest it can be. A better way to present earlier The band songs:

Generosity = To do your best to give the best of yourself from the beginning, That’s all The Band

The mention of Handsome Lake, Good Scotch and Beer, fit into the same topic and denotes the Beer Civilization (Germanic) majority in he GB, to be not chauvinistic I will mention other Gifts from God: “Gordon Christmas” the blue label beer from Scotland, and Carlsberg Olifan from Denmark. That’s all folks, “Wijn benaar Bier is plezier”

We Can Talk, that’s exactly the kind of idea I need in my vain effort to introduce The Band to some Bedouins here arround

Thank you all ….

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Frank Heatley

Rosilind ref Roy please be kind enough to let me know who wrote that song...very poignant, i guess we have all known a Roy in our time.......i know TOM WAITS figures prominently on your play list as a result i see myself looking for more of his stuff when i visit the Vigin Atlantic store during a selfish sourjourn to Belfast.

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Empty Now

Al: Bruce Grosbelaar was and remains the pride of the whole African Continent.

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Rosalind

Subject: Roy

" Roy was a wino by the railroad warehouse
He worked for Bud Whippy doin' maintanance jobs
Just a comin' and a goin' in a green GMC
A bottle full o' troubles and a pocket full of keys

Hey buddy are we friends? Do ya like me alright?
Let's drink some this mornin' We'll be home by tonite
Do ya like county music .. Hell it's come pretty far
I used to know Donnie Gibson before he as a star

He was layin' in the front seat as evenin' turned to day
Eleven days runnin'.. just wasted away
And once there was a family
A wife and a son
And forty years of tryin' before it was gone

Hey buddy are we friends? Do ya like me alright?
Let's drink some this mornin'.. we'll be home by tonite
Do ya think you can learn me that flat-top guitar
I'm too old I reckin' but you could be a star

Now some folks are wealthy and some folks are poor
Some folks love money while some never care
Lord, Roy was just a drunk one drink at a time
And he never cared if you done the buyin'

Hey Buddy are we friends? Do ya like me alright?
Let's drink some this mornin' we'll be home by tonite
Do ya like country music ... Hell it's come pretty far
I used to know Donnie Gibson
Before he was a star. "

That's what this place is for ain't it? Music ...

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PutEmUp (Jeff)

The marketing of music is whole nother deal, not a pleasant or pretty one at that, and it really is fucked, honestly. Yes Dave, tease away,I probably was high falutin on some polluted Brooklyn air when I flipped on that add. If it was the guy who put the promo together just taking the things he read and putting them together, that's cool. However, you don't know the likes of some of the reviewers who have been known to write reviews for the Woodstock Times and other Ulster county publications over the years. One of them really is an escapee, has certification papers and everything. Recently has returned to the area, after incarceration in various types of institutions tween here and Louisiana.Most recently institutionalized in a semi padded room in Kingston. Now on the loose.

So, that is why I bugged, and if someone high jacked my lines in their review, I really would not of wanted my writing and theirs to be confused. Sofisticated, no, not me, can't happen, I am too much of a jerk. High, not likely, foolutin, well, I guess so.

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Empty Now

Al Edge: Now i gonna love you more.

In the spring of 85, by May the 25th , i was near the Heyzel. It’s a time i remember oh so well. Stoneman’s Hooligans came and they tore up the tracks again. The game delayed during 2 hours. Back with my wife in the stadium, she called to me ‘Toef, quick come see, there goes Robert Platini”. Alexis Palotai, The referee refused a valid penalty to Ian Rush, gived an imaginary one to the Juve.

The night they lost 1-0, and all the people were singing
La la – la la la – la la la – la la la – la la la – la la la

The anthem of La Juve suppoters on the tune of “American Stars And Bars”

I regret that my word-processor dont allows the Music partitions. I hope that you are familiar with that tune.
We recently discussed the exegesis of TNTDODD to kingdom come, for the opera of Mr Ed Voci. Ed are you a Juve supporter ?. We didn’t evoked the tune following the chorus. Perhaps it’s a simple coincidence, i found a similarity with the air of “American Stars And Bars”. You can try an easy test with a simple Yamaha synthe. Starting from the tune in the chorus of TNTDODD, you double the tempo, if you filled some comma and, with a slight cyclic shift you will retrieve EXACTLY the air “American Stars And Bars”,

Perhaps the information is already available, Perhaps the topic is worth discussing again.

Peter, Al, Lars, David.....I rely on your feedback, PLEASE

Ed, we gonna insert the Reds and La Juve in you Opera ( or the inverse, We gonna tell the Heyzel drama for the future generations on the tune of TNTDODD )

Desmond Morris: “Football is a science, it's an art, it is war, ballet, drama, terror and joy all rolled into one.” ........Beautiful

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Frank

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Frank Heatley

Roger Gerry Anderson yes i know off him, he is a native of Derry in N I reland who has a daily radio show...a funny witty sort, with a more mature listenership...Gerry actually played in a showband some years back...big showband scene in Ireland in the 60,s..most of it pretty brutal to listen too if i,m honest, i don,t remember this scene off course but so i am told. Gerry actually plays from time to time a fair bit of Robbie,s solo work and also is affectionate for The Band...i,m not totally sure but i think he may have actually played in one of Ronnie Hawkins many versions of The Hawks...it,s nice to see everybody talking about The Band again, well mostly.My only experience of seeing The BAND myself was back in 96 in Dublin[i,m sure Peter Viney has reviewed this concert in an earlier post] if i,m honest it was,nt a stellar peformance Rick was not feeling terribly well and there were sound problems..i caught the friday night show, they actually stayed on for another night and by all accounts the saturday night was a much better representation of the boys talent...although i,ll never forget how i felt when i saw Levon crouching behind his kit, Rick strapping on his base and Garth ''the master'' displaying all his old world wisdom. anyway time now for the third coffee of the day. ''take it to church Mavis''

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Richard

Subject: Name That Year / John Martyn

Trivia Challenge: OK,,, This post may not be not directly Band related, but at least it's about music! (hey,hey! :-). I'm sure that most of you who have been around here a while know that I'm a huge fan of Peter Stampfel, the Holy Modal Rounders, The Bottle Caps, and all their spin-offs. Well,,, Peter is recording an album of 100 pop songs, one for each year of the 20th century. He has managed to record almost a third of the hundred songs in ten days on his recent trip to New Orleans (see the list below). Question... Can you put a year on these songs?

1. I Love You Truly
2. Ida
3. Toyland
4. Take Me Out to the Ballgame
5. Ace in the Hole
6. Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life
7. Put Your Arms Around Me Honey
8. By the Sea
9. Row Row Row
10. They Didn't Believe Me
11. Poor Butterfly
12. Oh, Look at me Now
13. Stumblin' Around
14. Bubbles
15. Til We Meet Again
16. Swinging Down the Lane
17. Let the Rest of the World Go By
18. Look for the Silver Lining
19. East of the Sun
20. Moonglow
21. Home
22. Who
23. My Ideal
24. The Way You Look Tonight
25. Where or When
26. How are Things in Glocca Morra
27. Hearts Made of Stone
28. Rave On
29. Along Comes Mary
30. Blue Skies
31. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

A plug from Peter's manager,,, "I've heard them a few times, and I think the songs are just wonderful. If you're a fan of 'You Must Remember This', you'll just go nuts. These are for the most part "user-friendly" rather than "caterwauling" as far as vocal style (Peter's descriptions, not mine); the slower standards are, for the most part, sung sweetly. Producer Mark Bingham has, as usual, assembled some kick-ass N'awlins folks to play on this. This is one of those albums -- of course, this is only 1/3 of the whole project, but it's as long as most regular albums -- where I think I'm going to have a different favorite song every week or so. "Moonglow" is this week's winner, with "The Way You Look Tonight" and "Where or When" and "Blue Skies" and "Ah Sweet Mystery of Life" and "Rave On" right up behind it. (Peter's "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" has been a personal favorite of mine for eons and eons and eons, and this is a great recording of it.)" - Jen

OK, Band connection with Peter Stampfel would be that the Holy Modal Rounders (along with Sam Shepard on drums) and the Band both appear on the Easy Rider soundtrack.

John Martyn: Someone mentioned John Martyn lately,,, the link above will take you to an update on his curent situation. I hope everyone will wish him speedy recovery...

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crow

Subject: cancers

just a short note to say that I do not have any cancer (that I know about). As a guitarist, it's always an honor to be mistaken for Mike Dimicco, but maybe not in this case...I hope he'll be around for (at least) the rest of my days - I can use the inspiration. Thanks for the positive comments. Be nice to each other!

jim eppard

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brown eyed girl

Daniel Lanois: "It's a lovely thing when you can elevate somebody's spirit....."

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Dave Z

First off Jeff, I think what you wrote about Garth was really cool... and I too feel lucky to have seen the show... but I wouldn't worry about the rest... When I read the press release I just assumed the guy who wrote the press release reads this GB... saw your nice lines and wa-la you get to bring some measure of credibility to this GB (can we tease you now? and call you high falutin' or sofisticated?).... btw, Maud did a nice design job... and hopefully we will see a new T-shirt somewhere down the road?... with maybe a flying squirrel on the sleeve or something... I wear the pheasant one so much it's just about worn out...

Anyway, these are depressing times... I just got an email from my sis who will be attending furnerals for her friends who gave their lives for the country... countries... and I feel so removed... and I picked up on what BEG said about feeling the music... I sometimes think it's better to hear it and make it part of your life's background music before reading somewhere what it's all about... For me, Lanois's Shine is gonna be like that... right now I don't know what to make of it... so I don't even try to remember the words,,, but am rather letting it seep into my being... later on I may tune in to the marketing of it and maybe appreciate it on a different level... but for me and especially as it relates to the Band... I am glad I had all these misconceptions, mistaken knowledge of lyrics, etc,... and then later found out more from this site... anyway... cool lines again Jeff... btw, great to hear all these first hand accounts of stories too... thanks all...

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Ray Pence

Subject: walking the walk

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PutEmUp (Jeff)

On the day after seeing Garth's show in Woodstock, I posted about the show. I did use the name Alex, and shortly afterwards I did reveal that indeed Schmuckalovich, Schmendrick, Alex ( a dead give away incidentally), and PutEmUp, were all me. And honestly, I never took pains to hide that, nor did I post under more than one name on the same subject at the same time. Shortly after the Garth show, I revealed my identity in the midst of a heated political battle. Anyway the point of all this is that someone apparently has hijacked my following description of Garth, which appeared in my post (March9th I believe is the date):"Garth is a rare genius, sounds that are not available to many people are available to him." okay , so somebody apparently plagiarized me. I am a big boy, but that sucks. Glad to write anything great about Garth, and nice that it adds a little appeal to his publicity.Not that Garth needs help. He has all the musical appeal in the world.

Apparently someone wrote a review somewhere and used my line in their review. It now is appearing in the ad for Garth's show, which can be viewed in this website's What's New section, and is credited to an unknown reviewer, who might have been named in the original article he or she wrote somewhere. Mainly I do not want anyone who reads this other persons review somewhere to think I wrote it. It does not appear that well written, and I would not want credit for it. And would not want anyone to think I am writing under other names. PutEmUp(Jeff) I shall remain.

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Sheila

Yes, BEG, I agree, Levon in The Weight is priceless. But Levon in The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down is so wonderful too! He was Virgil Cain in that song. That voice made that period in time come alive for me.

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brown eyed girl

As Dylan said to Larry "Ratso" Sloman....It's more important how the MUSIC MAKES YOU FEEEL.....How does it make you FEEEL?

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Calvin

I took a little time off today to make a swing off the thrift store circuit, and decided to go a little more south that I usually go. In a store just north of Akron Ohio I found the 1968 Ronnie Hawkins album, Vinyl of course, in great condition for .60. I'm telling you what, it is the simple things that make life worth living. The Hawk just never got his due, this is a pretty good album.

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Harpo

does anyone know if its possible to get the version of Old Time Religion off the Last Waltz? if anyone knows, email me here: harportcw@hotmail.com

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Lars

Subject: The Band

I recently commented that there was not much more new to say about The Band. The last couple of days have proven me wrong, the Band fan seems to be a special type of person who will bring out the best in the Band, and therefore the best in this guestbook. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

One song that seldom appears in anybody's "top ten" is "When You Awake." Rick Danko sang lead and I find it very hard to sing along with, personally. I was talking to a Band member one day and I mentioned that Rick's range wasn't what it used to be (this was in the mid-90's). He kind of smiled and said, "YOU try singing it." I did....didn't have the range. I then realised that a lot of what Rick was singing was INCREDIBLY hard to pull off. Singing one Band song might be like skating a "figure -8" but Rick was out there trying to do "triple-axles." If you saw him perform in his later years, you might have noticed he was straining to hit some notes and not always succeeding. But he was straining during a difficult song to sing. The same Band member said that Rick used to try to get the group's vocals to have a certain "ring" to them. And nobody could put harmony to that "ring" like Ricky. "When You Awake" has that ring and one person I know said it was like doing vocal acrobatics.

One time at a bbq Randy looked over at me and said "Do Blind Willie McTell." I lied and said I wasn't that familiar with that song, but he insisted. When it was over, we went over for a beer and Randy said, "Well...at least you got the lyrics right." It was a "Danko" song and the truth is I knew I couldn't sing it.

But there are people who CAN pull it off. Go listen to Jimmy Eppard some night and you'll see a real singer, a real musician. I asked him to put a Band song in during one of his sets. I figured I'd get something like "The Weight" or one of their easier songs. Jimm sang "King Harvest" and did a great job with it.

So The Band lives on after all. Long live The Band.

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Paul Godfrey

Subject: Frank

Frank, missed the sausage story. You know I love the BAND music, but whether its The Hawk or Levon - "I especially like to hear them TALK!" some of my best memories come from sitting around at a hotel after a show and just listening to the jokes, anecdotes, stories or as Ronnie would say: "The Lies Son!" Oh how we would laugh and carry on. Those sessions were just as much fun or more than the show. Re Richard & Militia. More than once we laughed about our time with the "Saturday Night Soldiers" as we called the Canadian Army Reserve 'Militia' Levon used to tell a story about a Bramma (sp) Bull. I always loved the down to earth just homespun yarns, much the same as I grew up with as a young boy.

We got a little of that kind of experience during the interview sections of TLW. Try on 4 or 5 beer or a couple of shots of Good Scotch or your favorite beverage and listen again to those closeups of the Boys and its a whole lot funnier.

I really do treasure the parts with Richard & Ricky.

Thank you Frank

shineonpaulg

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sadavid

Plus it's got Canada in it!

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JumpinJim

Subject: High art

There’s a famous story about the Silver Elvis painting that Andy Warhol gave Bob Dylan.

In his Diaries, Warhol records the following:

Oct. 77 – Albert Grossman, who used to manage Dylan, told me again that *he* has my silver Elvis, but I don’t understand that, because I gave it to Dylan, so how would Grossman get it?

May 11, 1978 – Robbie [Robertson] said he knew me from the Dylan days. I asked him whatever happened to the Elvis painting that I gave Dylan because every time I run into Dylan's manager Albert Grossman he says *he* has it, and Robbie said that at some point Dylan traded it to Grossman for a *couch* (laughs). He felt he needed a little sofa and he gave him the Elvis for it. It must have been in his drug days. So that was an expensive couch.

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sadavid

Picking ten is too hard at the moment, but "We Can Talk" and "King Harvest" are battling for the #1 position....

I've often thought this might be the best tune to introduce someone to The Band: top lyric, top tune, top arrangement, top playing from everyone on the "default lineup" (yes?) and the most extreme yet perfect execution of the signature multi-voice style. Plus it just sounds like everybody's having a blast.

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John W.

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Bones

Regarding this upcoming box set, I'm not sure if they have much in the way of unreleased material. The majority of it was released on the reissues. We'll see.

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Al Edge

EN - my shrine is Anfield Road. Been going there since '57 It's where my heart will always be. It's my bit of paradise here on earth. Old Trafford is someone else's.

Witty - spot on man - I was going to say exactly the same myself. For me it is what they were all about. In fact if I can find it I'm going to dig out the post I did on it and stick it up.

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Roger

Subject: Frank

Frank, I always enjoy your stories about Levon and Woodstock. There's an Irish broadcaster called Gerry Anderson who occasionally hosts programmes on Radio 4 over this side of the Irish Sea. I heard him interviewed once and he talked about living in Woodstock in the late 60s when Dylan and The Band were his neighbours. He sort of gave the impression he hung about with rock stars. Do you know him?

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Wittgenstein

Subject: Favorite Band songs

I don't understand how "We Can Talk About It Now" doesn't make everyone's top ten list. It is the song that first grabbed me way back then. In fact, all of side 2 of that first amazing album, but that one was the charm. We can talk about "We Can Talk About It Now" now........

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Narwhal

The way Richard always sang--as if one note away from death; the thunder in Levon's voice, and the montain-lion skulk of his drums; all of Rick's demons, and the lovely little boy inside him, made Robbie's stories real--and ethereal. Garth made sure it all played.....righteous.

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Kalervo

Subject: The Code of Handsome Lake

Many thanks Pehr and John W...but you know capitalism is the only real threat to free enterprise in today' s world..

Why doesn' t anybody mention Acadian Driftwood and Country Boy, two of my real favorites?

Just a while ago my favorite international radio station Airos (look at the web site) played Robbie' s The Code of Handsome Lake. That song made me try to find anything about Handsome Lake, the Seneca prophet. I ordered an old book (originally published 1913, reprinted 1990) by A.C. Parker about the great man.As an addiction professional and recovering alcoholic the story of Handsome Lake is fascinating to me. He was a miserable alcoholic, who got spiritual awakening, sobered up, became a healer, a well-respected prophet and religous teacher. Without Robbie' s great song I may have never heard the exceptional man..

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Empty Now

Subject: Top 5 Albums

It could not interest anybody, i propose my best The Band albums just to express that it is not so easy to be an idiot

1 – Music from Big Pink
2 – The Brown Album
3 - Stage Fright
4 – Rock of Ages
5 – Islands

Good night every body

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David Powell

Thanks John for the preview -- I'm waiting to see if Telarc releases a SACD version since they do such a good job with their DSD recordings.

Picked up the DVD video of "Standing In The Shadows of Motown" and it's very, very good. Widescreen/surround sound & an extra disc full of bonus materials.

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franko

Subject: starbucks

Bones - the Sheryl Crow Starbucks CD includes The Weight (w/the Staples) from TLW.

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John D

Subject: "Blues On Blonde On Blonde" For David Powell

I just picked up "Blues On Blonde On Blonde." In other words some great blues and zydeco folks playing Mr. Dylan. It's on the Telarc label and many of the tracks are blowing me away. #1 for me is is the great C.J. Chenier. David Powell I didn't think anyone could make me jump on and dance to Absolutely Sweet Marie again. It's a perfect zydeco tune and it rocks. C.J. blows me away. Walter Trout doing Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat. Sue Foley doing Most Likely You Go Your Way. Check it our Dylan fans. I didn't like all the interpretations; but it's one of the better tribute albums and what a classic album to choose.

I put in a link to some sound samples. Hope it works

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Marshall Weathersby

Subject: Heat

You guys are tight. It's so cold up here that your music is the only heat we have. "Chest Fever", the name just makes me warm. Keep it up Robbie.

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David Powell

Charlie: Recently I was watching CMT's live broadcast of the Grand Ole Opry and Vince Gill performed that song. Behind him onstage, I spotted Mr. Anderson wailing away on an old Tele. One of my favorite songs that he used to perform with NRBQ was a dynamite version of Johnny Cash's "Get Rhythm". A week or so ago, on Turner South's "Live from the Bluebird Cafe", he performed many of the songs he's written since settling down in Nashville.

Forgot to mention in my previous post that Tom Waits is one of the other featured performers on "Stay Awake". He does a distinctively Waits take on "Heigh Ho" (The Dwarfs Marching Song). Picture Mr. Waits as the eighth, gin-soaked dwarf!

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Charlie Young

Subject: "Big" Al Anderson

While on the road down in the country music belt of Virginia last week, I happened to catch a glimpse of a Vince Gill video for a song called "The Next Big Thing" and spotted a familiar-looking guitarist in the background. After a couple of minutes I realized it was former NRBQ lead guitarist, "Big Al Anderson," but looking like he'd lost about a hundred pounds. I guess we need to start calling him "Not So Big" Al Anderson.

Anyway I did some research on Al Anderson and realized how much his decision to leave the road life (sound familiar?) has agreed with him. He has written a bunch of very successful songs and worked with most of the better cats in Nashville since he left NRBQ. I have one of his solo albums and it's not bad at all. Good for Al.

Oh, and I love that NRBQ version of "Whistle While You Work."

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David Powell

Subject: Shake, Rattle & Roll

After reading sadavid's post yesterday about hearing Garth's "Feed The Birds", I realized that I hadn't listened to that "Stay Awake" album in quite some time. Early this morning, before catching the train to work, I played the LP version, subtitled: "Various Interpretations of Music from Vintage Disney Films", & produced by Hal Wilner.

The album is arranged into medleys, and Garth's "Feed The Birds" (from Mary Poppins), opens the "All Innocent Children Had Better Beware" medley, the first cut on side 2 of the LP (or cut 7 on the CD). Garth weaves his magic on keyboards, synthesizers & accordion, accompanied by Jorge Mirkin on harmonica, Jay Rubin on cymbals & Steve Deutch with Macintosh sequencing/performance software. About 4:16 into the medley, it segues nicely into NRBQ's unique version of "Whistle While You Work" (from Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs), featuring a brief but oh-so exquisite guitar solo from "Big" Al Anderson.

The medley finnishes beautifully with Betty Carter on "I'm Wishing" (from Snow White...), "Cruella DeVille" (from 101 Dalmations) by The Replacements and "Dumbo And Timothy" (from Dumbo) performed by Bill Frisell & Wayne Horvitz. Next, Sinead O'Connor with Andy Rourke perform "Someday My Prince Will Come" (from Snow White...), a cut recorded at Bearsville Studios.

Side 2 of the LP closes with two more medleys, comprised of songs performed by Sun Ra & His Arkestra, Harry Nilsson, James Taylor, Bill Frisell & Wayne Horvitz again (with Ken Nordine) and Ringo Starr with Herb Alpert.

This morning, around 5:00, while listening to "Stay Awake", Sun Ra & His Arkestra had just started into "Pink Elephants On Parade" when, all of a sudden, the windows began to rattle & I felt the house shake for about 15 seconds. Realizing that it wasn't the effects of that second cup of strong coffee I'd brewed, I turned on the radio & the news report confirmed that an earthquake had just rolled through Georgia like a modern day stampede of Stoneman's cavalry. The quake, measuring 4.9, was centered just across the Alabama line at Fort Payne. Bemused at the news, I suddenly recalled that Sun Ra from Saturn, in his previous life, had been born Herman P. Blount in Alabama. I could almost hear him laughing up there in the heavens, aboard Rocket #9. (:-)

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John Cass

Subject: Top 10 Band tunes

1. King Harvest

2. Atlantic City

3. Rockin Chair

4. Blind Willie Mctell

5. Caladonia Mission

6. Remedy

7. Don't Do It

8.Shape I'm In

9. Caves of Jerico

10. Life is a Carnaval..

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Empty Now

I mean Al, not Ed, I often made this mistake, sorry

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Empty Now

The Band page in the site of Capitol Records, contains a link to this site (this is evident), with a notice (not evident) that retained my attention:

ULTIMATE FAN SITE
Although not the official Band site, theband.hiof.no has been acknowledged and accepted by members of The Band and by their management and collaborators

Ed : Thanks…Are you Anfield Road or Old Trafford….I’m a little bit Heyzel (innocently)…I remember Bruce (from Zimbabwe) and Ian (form Wales)…You’ll never walk alone…this anthem has a deep and strange beauty.

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Amanda

Thank you for sharing. Personal accounts of The Band "Experience" are the loveliest part of this GB. IMHO

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Frank Heatley

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Fred

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dz agin

Subject: the kids are all sick in my bed "Band Favs" list

Today's favs:
1. All You Have To Do Is Dream
2. Ferdinand The Imposter
3. Genetic Method/Chest Fever
4. Bessie Smith
5. Whispering Pines
6. Yazoo Street Scandal
7. Unfaithful Servant
8. It Makes No Difference
9. Stage Fright
10. Don't Do It

I bet it would be tough for Letterman's band to come up with a Top 10 Fav List of Band songs that they could all agree on? What is the magical number where you don't feel like any essentials are left off? And when are my kids gonna get over these damn colds and get out of my bed!!!

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Dave Z

Subject: "Half Full or Half Empty" Band List

1. Greensleeves
2. The Third Man Theme
3. Theme From The Last Waltz
4. French Girls
5. Even A Tomato
6. Instrumental I (Crossing The Great Divide)
7. Mad Waltz
8. The Genetic Method
9. Crosswind Jamboree
10. TLW Jams 1 & 2

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Fred

"Classically trained and globally schooled...a talent defying categorization"........sums it up rather nicely, don't you think?

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Todd Atkinson

This could be considered a bit of a "cop-out," as live performances frequently focus on tunes that have already been proven to be popular, but here goes.
I should add that most of these would make my top ten studio list as well. This was more difficult (and fun) than I thought it would be!

From Rock of Ages:

1. Don't Do It
2. Caledonia Mission
3. Across The Great Divide
4. Life Is A Carnival
5. Rockin' Chair

From The Last Waltz:

6. Up On Cripple Creek
7. The Weight* (Band version from actual show)
8. This Wheels On Fire
9. Mystery Train
10. Dixie

*While I love the version of the Weight with the Staples singers, I don't believe that it is actually "live," and I prefer the version from the concert. I think that I have read somewhere that Levon didn't think that the tune was done well at the actual concert, and that this was one of the reasons that they did a version with the Staples Singers. I feel that the live version crackles with energy, and for me is second only to the Big Pink version. I thought that I had heard in "TLW" DVD commentary that the reason that the version of "The Weight" from the concert wasn't used was that they were changing film reels, and didn't quite get the cameras back up in time.

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brown eyed girl

I can still hear the sounds of those Methodist bells
I'd taken the cure and had just gotten through
Stayin' up for days in the Chelsea Hotel
Writin' "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" for you

Shirley, oh Shirley
Wherever we travel we're never apart
Shirley, oh Shirley
Beautiful lady, so dear to my heart

Ah...The power of words. Apparently this song helped Bob....He was forgiven once again....for his "transgressions"....

Dylan also sings about a marketplace in Savanna-la-Mar.....and drinkin' white rum in a Portugal bar...I always thought it was a town that I visited in Jamaica....I remember a great spice factory there.....

Sounes on Sara.....They were never close after the divorce. Sara lived alone after the children grew up, suffering from ill health and becoming something of a recluse.....

Years later Jakob Dylan and The Wallflowers would make a video in NYC where they were also hanging out in this very same Hotel.....My fave...."6th Avenue Heartache".....

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Sheila

Subject: Everyone's top 10

I'm gonna jump on the Bandwagon with my top 10. And believe me, this was hard... 1. Jemima Surrender - such a groovy little ditty, don't ya think? 2. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down 3. Rag Mama Rag 4. The Weight - I know who Crazy Chester is!! He's from Fayetteville! 5. Ophelia 6. It Makes No Difference - Rick Danko's vocals on this in TLW DVD make the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. 7. Don't Do It 8. Evangeline 9. Up On Cripple Creek 10. The Shape I'm In - I love the sound of Richard Manuel on this. Bless his heart, he probably had used 7 of his 9 lives when he sang this song. I hope he finally found peace. Anyway, there it is! I love following the posts that all of you leave. ...And to all, A Good Night!

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Ray again

I didn't have enough Rick on my list, so I did this one...that's the problem with lists...

1. Caledonia Mission

2. Unfaithful Servant

3. Thinkin' Out Loud

4. Volcano

5. Crying Heart Blues

6. Ripple

7. Java Blues

8. You Can Go Home

9. People of Conscience

10. Blaze of Glory

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Ray Pence

1. In a Station

2. Lonesome Suzie

3. Whispering Pines

4. Jawbone

5. The Rumor

6. Smoke Signal

7. River Hymn

8. Share Your Love

9. Forbidden Fruit

10. Christmas Must Be Tonight

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Charlie Young

Subject: The Chelsea Hotel

I just wanted to clarify something in my last post: I was living in the same neighborhood as the Chelsea Hotel in 1980, when Tom Waits lived there, not in 1966 when Dylan wrote "Sad-Eyed Lady" there. I'm old but not THAT old...

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Pat Brennan

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Charlie Young

Subject: Tom Waits For No Man...

Actually, Pat, one link to The Band is that circa 1980 Tom Waits was living on West 23rd Street in Manhattan's legendary literary landmark, the Chelsea Hotel. Bob Dylan was hanging out there in 1966 when he wrote "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" about Sarah Lowndes (that last name must have inspired the use of lowlands, huh?). I was living on West 24th in the much-less-fashionable London Terrace Apartments at the time, but the Chelsea Hotel is an eeriely timeless place.

Another link between Waits and The Band would be the John Hammond, Jr. connection. Hammond recorded an excellent collection of Waits songs a couple of years or so ago and it is haunting to say the least. Hammond has had an amazing but quiet career--much like his father, the man who signed Bob Dylan to Columbia Records over four decades ago.

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Pat Brennan

Lil, you are on to something. Hopefully, the darkness will pass as it usually does.

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Lil

Have a good night everyone.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Amen

Amen to that ...

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rosalind

..If you chew tabacco
And wish upon a star
Find out where the scarecrows sit
Just like punch-lines between the cars
I know a place where royal flush
Never beat a pair
Even Thomas Jefferson
Is on the Nickel over there

So ring round the rosie ... You're sleepin' in the rain
You're always late for supper
Man you let me, ya let me down again
I thought heard a mockin' bird
Rosevelt knows where
Just skip the line with Grady Tuck
On the Nickel over there

So what becomes of all the little boys
Who run away from home
The world just keeps get-tin bigger
Once you get out on your own
So here's to all the little boys
The Sand-man takes you where
You're sleepin' with the pillowman
On the nickel over there

So climb up through that button hole
And fall right up the stairs
I'll show you where the shark-dogs grow
On the Nickel over there..

- Tom Waits -

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Waits

Children are playing
At the end of the day
Strangers are singing
On our lawn
It's got to be more
Than flesh and bone
All that you're loved
Is all you own.

Waits

To sleep per chance to dream ...

Puck;

My mistress with a monster is in love.
Near to her close and consecrated bower,
While she was in her dull and sleeping hour,
A crew of patches, rude mechanicals,
That work for bread upon Athenian stalls,
Were met together to rehearse a play
Intended for great Theseus' nuptial-day.

W.S.

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Dexy

Subject: Nice Weider interview

April 23. Lots of Band content -- see link above.

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rosalind

Don't fuck with Jerry! A puffed-up, college-educated, self-important deliberatly detached ass like most of you he's not, but he's a damned good friend. And when it comes right down to the bone, that's all there is and there ain't no more. Nobody fucks with my friends. It took me too long to find them!

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Tiny Monster

Subject: ... ? ...

I hope that wasn't you I saw running across the street as I walked up the other day? ... Was it?

Say it ain't so Roz ...
You're my last hope Hon ...

... ~ ; ^ ) ~

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rosalind

I woke up this mornin
With an attitude
Looked at the headlines
Put me in a real bad mood

Writing is a very very personal thing. It exposes hidden agenda, needs, ego, dark sides of personalities that are maybe not so evident in people's day to day living. I have found that this place is full of people I would cross a street to avoid and you could count the folks with actual heart on one hand. I know because I have.

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Bill

Charlie Young: You're right to be cautious. Even Billy Mundi was careful not to claim that he's on the released versions of any of those songs - and in fact wouldn't hazard a guess until he'd heard them again. In his favour is the general acknowledgement that he gets on the MM album, and the audible evidence of two drummers on "Mystery Train" - not that it couldn't've been a doubletracked Levon or Levon+Richard or Levon+Robbie or ...

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Charlie Young

Subject: Mundi Monday & TLW Warps

That's interesting about Billy Mundi remembering playing on three tracks from "Moondog," but how can he be sure that those tracks were released? Isn't all this stuff documented on tape boxes somewhere. I know that Capitol was pretty good with Beatles and Beach Boys documentation and archives, so I hope that the same was true with The Band. We thought there were no outtakes in the vaults for years until Capitol sprung those great reissue bonus tracks on us (more PLEASE!). The same happened recently with the Lovin' Spoonful catalog. Thank God for packrats and archivists everywhere.

JTull Fan: my copy of the TLW four-disc set is unwarped, but I have it protected inside an archival comic book sleeve, standing upright on a bookshelf and sandwiched between other sets in the same format. As a collector of old books, I know the problem of warping all too well and it can happen even in a home with low humidity if the material is of a certain composition and it is not stored carefully. Some books that are designed as "coffee table" books are made of materials to withstand the conditions that cause warping when exposed to open air and humidity--and that's why an Abrams or Rizzoli art book can cost quite a bit. For what the TLW set costs, it shouldn't be warping so soon, though, and I think you should notify Warner Music or the place where you bought the set.

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Gene

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Bones

Peter V: You're showing your age I'm afraid by calling her Christine Perfect. I think she has been McVie for over 30 year now. I liked that old Christine Perfect album, but I liked her early work with Fleetwood Mac even better. "Why" (Mystery To Me), "Heroes Are Hard To Find" (Same), "Spare Me A Little" (Bare Trees) are all great tunes. She did a nice job keeping Buckingham melodic. Left on his own, Lindsey's music could get a little strange. It was good for him to have Nicks and McVie reign him in from time to time. The reverse of that is true as well. His brilliance really get that group a special spice that they needed.

I've been told that Sheryl Crow has done one of those Artist's Choice cds for Starbucks that has the Band on it. Anyone seen this?

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Peter Viney

Helena – my Moondog Matinee article predates the remasters sleeve notes by Rob Bowman by a good while, and I’d consider his version of events to be superior to my mine because he had the inside track – though he does quote me, much to my pleasure. Though not directly on how some songs post-date The Hawks, so couldn’t have been in their stage act. At this point, I can’t recall my sources, though I will have them written down somewhere. None of my accreditations were ‘opinions’ in that they’d all come from some other written source. Rob Bowman’s source for his notes would have been Robbie Robertson, to which of course I’ll bow without question. I haven’t had time to update in the light of the remaster notes though I suppose I should. I will stick by my credit of Rick singing Holy Cow (source: Rick Danko). I thought the source for what Levon played bass on was Levon’s book, but I haven’tv checked tonight. I always enjoyed seeing Levon playing bass live too. He always got into it.

On ‘A Change is Gonna Come’ my article credits Richard with drums, as you say, and Levon with bass. And Rick with lead vocal & rhythm guitar. The source for this was Hidecki’s site in Japan and I said “Levon mentions his other bass parts, but not this one.” I also said, “Levon is adamant that he played bass guitar on two numbers.” One is definitely ‘Mystery train’ and Hidecki has the other as ‘Change is Gonna Come.’

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Sofus

You are surely right. i wasn't sitting with the book in front of me, and I don't have too good knowledge of American change

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Bill

If you're talking US currency, I think you'd have to squeeze a nickel to get the buffalo to shit.

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Sofus

Was it Garth that was cheap? According to Levon's book, the Hawk said that Will "Pop" Jones was so incredibly cheap "he could squeeze a dollar so hard the buffalo would shit".... But about Garth being cheap? These stories are probably so old, that they change every time they get told. Some of the best Band songs King Harvest The Weight Daniel And The Sacred Harp Jemimah Surrender Ophelia Jupiter Hollow Knockin' Lost John Caledonia Mission Mystery Train And Richard deluxe: Whispering Pines In a Station And all of the other songs......

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JTull Fan

Subject: TLW Box set

Has anyone else had this problem with the TLW Box set? Given its' non-standard packaging, rather than shove it into a bookshelve somewhere, I thought it would make an excellent coffee-table conversation piece in our den, and a nice counterpoint to my wife's sorority photo-albums, Southern Living, etc. But shortly after, the cover started to warp upwards, and having flipped it to reverse the process, the same has happened to the back cover. It is at the point that I am about to remove the cd's and place them in jewel cases to protect them, but I am pretty dissappointed at the condition of the packaging. Richmond might be humid but my house has central air and is always in the 68-70 degree range and dry, so I am puzzled.

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Bill

Al Edge: How right you are. Except that, given those alternatives, I'm inclined to stick with the blessed emu.

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Al Edge

Been a bit too pre-occupied lately to do anything other than glance down but delighted to see you're back on Empty Now. God be with you.

Re Peter Green I've kept a post I put up last year which got sort of passed over but I think it's a fine debate for anyone interested.

BTW I should point out that the analogy I use - football[soccer] player - is to distinguish between a god-given talent {George Best] and an earthly great talent [Kevin keegan]. No disrespect to either the footballers or the musicians involved but i do feel there is a distinction. In both instances the earthly great talent tended to triumph in the long run. As Pete Viney will testify it also happens in other British sports foe eg snooker - alex higgins and Steve davis/Stephen hendry

Anyroad the said post:-

Subject: Yer Blues

Being an unfeasibly avid Red I naturally prefer to retain a respectable distance from anything Blue - hmmph.

Nonetheless, further to our round up of authentic British Blues artists, I think we ought to ponder at least a weeny while on Peter Green who - intrinsically - was surely the nearest we Brits have ever had to the real thing i.e Robert Johnson et alia.

Although the analogy I'm about to make is by no means a perfect one [since George Best actually did achieve so much], I think Pete Viney will know what I mean when I say that if Eric Clapton was Kevin Keegan then Peter Green was Georgie Best. In other words one had great talent and dedicated himself to perfecting it and becoming a true great whilst the other was naturally imbued with a gift from above but kind of squandered it.

Sadly for Peter, he went off the rails very early into his career and so never achieved anywhere near the greatness for which God had him earmarked. Eric Clapton in stark contrast achieved possibly even more than he ever really had a right to through hard work, an undeniably great talent and dedication to his art.

On a personal level, as much as I admire Eric Clapton, I mean no disrespect when I say that I would rather a brief snatch of Peter Green on 'Oh Well' or 'Green Manalishi' than a listen to an entire 'Ocean Boulevard' or 'Layla' - and I do really like that stuff.

It's just that for me Green back then had that certain authentic magical quality that I personally feel Eric has somehow lacked. As regards who I'd prefer to spend a night in the ale house with?...well that's a completely different ball game - Georgie Best of course.

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Christer Rynhag

Subject: The Band

Hej Helena R ! ................. c.rynhag@telia.com

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Pehr

Amanda thanks for the Hawk update! Good news!

Kalervo- Right on.

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Christer Rynhag

Subject: Rick Danko

Have bought the dvd-version of "The Last Waltz" and became impressed of the work of Rick Danko. Think he was a very great singer, for example in "It makes no difference"...and he had a very great feeling in his bassplaying on stage...It looks like a very true peak of his career on that night...and even for the others in the group... So sad that Danko died early...never heard the reason for the death......................... Christer Rynhag....... c.rynhag@telia.com

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Empty Now - Twof

Jerry:

I’m sorry if i cited your name, i was innocent, I didn’t criticize your punctuation, but i seriously enjoyed it. A good spelling wasn’t, is not, and will never be my concern. This is just an apology for a harmless name citation
But if you addressed Crabgrass, I ask for a permission to insert a little bit of wisdom, (i dont think that the “idiot” episod is nasty, and no one can be idiot here, i just have a personal reason)

. Crabgrass:

Reading your 11:58:53 post i learned that the English People apply Last name for the Big name, i.e. the Familly name ( or the Tribe name in my culture), and First name for the little name, that which identify somebody in a Personal manner...thus i my former post i used the wrong word
Since that has its importance, i correct: my real little name (with no ambiguity, my MYSELF real name, prénom) is Twof. i know it doesn’t interrest anyone, just for the correctness, and Thank you

From Coluche, a clever French humorist:

“Cleverness (or cleverthness, keep the correct word) is the most equitably shared good amongst mankind, since everybody can only appreciate his one by means of his own”

good...

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Sheila

Garth is pretty excellent, isn't he? He is the one who inspired my 12 year old son to play in his school band. My son wants to watch TLW all the time just to watch Garth play. He said just today that he promises to practice each and every day because one day he wants to be able to be like Garth!

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DZ

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Bayou Sam

Subject: Garth

sadavid = what a great post about Garth. I love those moments when Garth's brilliance hits you all over again while you're listening to him play.....I've always liked that "Feed The Birds" tune from Mary Poppins. It's such a nice melody. Was it in fact from "Sea To The North"? I've got the CD, but I don't recall. I'll have to check. If it isn't - where is it from? anyone?

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Bayou Sam

goal achieved - cool.

we're still friends, right Crabby - even though I'm an idiot :-)

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sadavid

Subject: Hudsonia

I was yapping last week about goodies heard on CBC radio. Yesterday noon I was munching lunch while listening to "The Vinyl Cafe" [link] which is dependable entertainment and extaordinarily well-written. The host/writer was riffing on the subject of "birds" and after one anecdote announced, "here's Garth Hudson." What followed was the most interesting and moving instrumental I have heard since...maybe forever.

Thinking of the picture of His Garthness riding that big white owl, I figured, "wow, must be something from 'The Sea to the North'." When it was over, it was identified as "music from 'Mary Poppins'."

It didn't click until I checked this site today that the tune was "Feed the Birds." Which was always a pretty melody, but, Garthified, it's damn near a force of nature.

Some music department somewhere should confer a doctorate honoris causa and give the man a generous perpetual stipend just to continue to be himself and maybe do a couple of master classes. Alternatively, the Government of Canada should sack a paid-off political hack somewhere and put GH on salary as, say, the "Musical Ambassador to Woodstock and the World."

Then we could start calling ourselves civilised.

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Bill

I've never seen a monkey in a bar, but I did see a full-grown emu stroll into a pub in Camooweal, Australia when I was there. Apparently he/she was a regular and wouldn'd say no to a drop or two. Camooweal, by the way, is somewhat legendary due to the song "Never Going Back To Camooweal" by Slim Dusty (Oz's answer to Stompin' Tom). Although I did in fact go back to Camooweal some months later, Slim certainly had the right attitude to the place; in my own experience, it is the fly capital of the country - and that's saying something!

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Sheila

Subject: Re: Thurlow Brown

In his book, Levon related a little story about ol' Thurlow. The time was the late 1950's, and Thurlow owned a monkey which he'd take to the pool hall in Marvell so they both could drink a beer and if they were in the mood, throw a punch or two. Now that must've been a HOOT AND A HALF to witness. BTW Frank, Sounds like you've heard some good stories. And I say HOORAY that The Hawk is feeling better.

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Bill

Re the drumming on "Moondog Matinee", Billy Mundi told me that he's pretty sure he's on 'Third Man Theme', 'Mystery Train' and 'I'm Ready'.

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John W.

Kalervo - I sympathize with your ambivalence. But it hurts me to see you list among the U.S. "negatives" - "hard line capitalism" and "money addiction". These are actually very healthy factors without which Americans would not have achieved the level we have. Imagine any place where they have "hard line socialism" and "money abstention". Would never be as affluent and healthy as ths U.S.

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Amanda

Subject: The Hawk

There are a couple of new updates on The Hawk's site regarding his treatment.

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Helena R.

Subject: Moondog Matinee songs

I´m spending some time now listening to Moondog Matinee. I enjoy trying to listen very close to each instrument and analyse how and why they put the songs and the instruments together like they did. But it`s quite frustrating not to know who´s playng what. In the CD sleeve you can read that for example Levon did not play at all on Third man theme (not being in town) but Peter Viney writes that he does. Also Peter Viney writes that Levon plays bass on a few tunes and not much is said about this in the CD sleeve (except for What am I living for). On A Change is gonna come I think it´s more Levon-style than Richard-style on the drums, does anyone agree with that??? (Peter Viney says it´s Richard on drums) After reading Levons book I understand that he´s not always too serious about being exact about the facts. Anyway it would be fun to get some comments on this from anyone. Thank you and take care! Helena

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Bumbles

Subject: Ronnie's Remedy

Stuck in traffic on the turnpike Friday afternoon, trying to catch a flight at Newark Airport, my wife switched from CD (Smokey Robinson’s ‘One Heartbeat’) to radio, hoping to hear a traffic report on a New Jersey station. Didn’t catch the names of the drive-time duo, but they were the usual cretinous Howard Stern wannabes, busy being edgy and outrageous, and, when we tuned in, just starting a bit on the always hilarious subject of home remedies for cancer. What caught my ear was the hook for the cancer schtick: a report (source not credited, but Nitwit #1 seemed to be reading from either a press release or a newspaper/magazine article) that Ronnie Hawkins (described by Nitwit #2 as ‘an old blues singer’) had achieved a ‘miracle’ cure from pancreatic cancer (‘a death sentence,’ intoned Nitwit #2, solemnly) through ‘drinking and doing lots of drugs.’ That occasioned much party animal talk from the jocks about their own, apparently non-cancer-related, drinking and drugging exploits, although they did find time to mention that the Hawk’s treatment consisted of near-round-the-clock consumption of J&B scotch and smoking ‘tons of pot’ (call me a recovering dope fiend or call me a snob, but smoking pot, even by the bale, hardly qualifies as doing lots of drugs). Mercifully, the traffic soon came on (an accident, already cleared—we made it with time to spare) and we were back to the music. Has anyone else—Canadian GB-ers, perhaps—heard anything about this? I mean, I know the news about Hawkins’ cancer appears to be good and I assume he gets high in some fashion, but the idea of tying the two together for the sake of publicity is depressing, even from someone whose notion of good taste seems as flexible as the Hawk’s.

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David Powell

Subject: Fleetwood minus one key Mac

While I enjoy the pop hits of the later permutations of Fleetwood Mac, I still prefer the original blues-based lineup centered around Peter Green. In my opinion, the current day version of the group is sorely missing the beautiful voice & artistic input of Christine McVie, who added both balance & buffer to the excesses of Buckingham & Nicks. As far as the original group, the following quote says it all:

"Peter Green is the only guitarist who ever made me sweat."
--B.B. King

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bob wigo

Speaking of ad campaigns....Has anyone else seen the latest effort of the Las Vegas Tourism Board?

"What Happens Here Stays Here"

Now that cuts right to the chase.

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Mike D.

The Green Manalishi, Bill :) I'll also take the songs Oh Well (Parts 1 and 2) and Albatross (one of two #1 singles in their entire career. I still prefer Fleetwood Mac's blues to the other english blues abnds of that era such as Chicken Shack and Savoy Brown.

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Bill

1) JTF: Thanks for the The Last Flight of Fancy.

2) Ronnie Hawkins was on the CTV morning show around 7:00 today. The camera showed some of his prized photos - with Clinton, Parton, Dylan (and our own John D). And with the Hawks he first brought to Toronto, who he introduced as "the original Seldom-Fed Four".

3) Today's Toronto Star, which you can find online at www.torstar.com, I think, has an article on Daniel Lanois, who played on Friday on the TVO show hosted by Steve Paikin.

4) I really don't like that blues as performed by early FMac, but Peter Green's originals are brilliant - "Black Magic Woman" and flip, "Man Of The World", "The Green Unspellable". And "Somebody's Gonna Get His Head Kicked In Tonight" (if that was a Green song). "Sentimental Lady", from the middle period was a beautiful performance, and Christine McVie's bg vocals make Bob Welch's solo redo. As for Fleetwood and Mac themselves, I've never noticed all that much growth. Still dull as dishwater on the big two LPs - especially "Don't Stop".

5) Was it the '72 Olympics when Theophilo Stevenson won the gold by KOing the other guy with his first punch?

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G-Man

THe Jim Weider Band put on another "SUPER' show sat. nite at historic Revolution Hall, in Troy, NY. Dan Mckinney was really out of site on the keys-unreal!! Albert,,well,,that white FLYIN FIN bass has an awesome sound and Albert pushed it to the limit! Rando put on a clinic; super drummin!! Jim, well,,it was a musically astute crowd and a lot of people were just amazed at Jim's Tele work!! Revolution Hall and the staff were great. Great sound, and a place that is geared towards live music!!We'll be glad to return for the next JWB show! Was great to see Tommy,,Jimmy and Sue,,and Al Goldberg at the show!! See ya down the road!!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Muddy Waters

Finally got to see that 1 hour Muddy Waters special on PBS last night and it was fantastic. Bob Margolin also looked great in it. They showed a late period version of Mannish Boy toward the end and it was amazingly similar to the TLW version, minus Paul Butterfield's great harmonica work.

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Frank

speaking to Levon one time about Tommy Lee Jones, he mentioned to me that Tommy Lee was had done a new western about ''a cattle drive from Texas to Montana and a whole lotta other stuff in between'' this of course was Lonesome Dove ''Look out for it Frank you,ll like it'' when i happend upon it some time later in my local Xtra vision i had to pinch myself when i thought it was LEVON HELM who recommended this, he also marked my card about a book by Evan S Connell which was of course ''Son of the Morning Star'' and the tv movie featured Gary Cole which was someone else Levon had worked with..they will always be special to me....we all know that LEVON has had a bout with cancer[most of us here have been affected one way or another by this illness] well the stoic way in which he talks about facing it and the praise he lavishes upon the good people at Sloan Kettering will make you sit up straight in your chair i can tell you.

Sandy Helm told me that Levons dad the great J D was staying up in Woodstock the night that thier house was burned down and every body was able just to get out in the clothes they were in...now this at the time was a horrible experience but they all laugh now when tey remember that as they sat in Levons car [Levon, J D, Sandy and i think Caroline Szelest] at the top of the road leading to the house watching the blaze everybody was comforting one another and tahnking God that they all got out, J D piped up and said ''at least ya all have your own teeth'' seemingly in the rush to exit the house J D, false teeth got left behind...Shiela/Amanda the Weight is full of characters from Llevons background Miss Anna Lee is a childhood friend of his etc,etc. another one Levon howls at is when they were being forcibly removed from the offices of Eric Schuster [pseudonym] with the option of going quickly through the lobby or even quicker through the window of the bold Eric,s office [which was in a NEW YORK hotel Levon and Robbie were trying to secure a record contract about 1965 i think and the exchanges between all parties became quite colourful] well anyway as they were being ''hurried'' through the hotel lobby Doc Pomus who was also working out of their looked up and though he simphasised with the boys plight simply said ''SAAAAAAARRRYY'' Levon was hurling all sorts of ''down home'' expletives in the direction of Eric and his heavies i sometime chuckle to think that such a smooth and urbane character such as Robbie handled the indignity of it all.

John Simon once said when explaining Levon,s musical background/heritage that he ''sings in his own voice'' well thats the way he lives his life as well and its not a bad way when you sit down and think about it.

One time outside Chicago somewhere the boys were practically starving[circa 64/65] and for some reason in these situations Garth was always able to produce money from somewhere ''the trick is levon never break a twenty'' this prompted Ronnie H awkins to remark 'you know Garth is a wonderful musician but man he,s close to the dollar, he could sqeeze a nickel so hard it would make thew buffalo shit'' its yarns like this which humanises them for us all...as Levon often says The Band was a ''rythm section'' but lucky for us all turned out to be quite a rythm.

take care all of ya

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jerry

Entered at Mon Apr 28 14:10:28 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Empty Now

Sorry for bad translation

Entered at Mon Apr 28 13:55:42 CEST 2003 from (81.22.75.26)

Empty Now

(translated from Dutch, it’s still beautiful)

An example of a true moment « i shall be released ». Someone disagree ?

I guess contemporaries of Cervantes didn’t talk about him like today’s people do

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Peter Viney

Great reminiscences, Frank. Tell us more.

Just picked up the Fleetwood Mac. In an interesting marketing ploy, the CD was £12.99 (on reduction from £13.99) BUT the DVD-Audio was £11.99 (on reduction from £12.99). Is this the shape of things to come? It must be the strongest push yet for a medium switch, and intelligently prices the new medium lower. I got the DVD-Audio, taken by the bargain price and the prospect of something designed for 5.1 rather than retro-fitted with 5.1, but reckon I’ll end up buying a CD too.

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Hank

Subject: I left my home in.....

There's absolutely nothing about Mesopotomia, Persia, Cuba or Korea in the words of "The Promised Land".....It has 3 verses and no chorus......all about the journey of a young man across North America......A song written and recorded by Chuck Berry......also recorded and released by Elvis Presley and The Band....and many others, to be sure.....

All these factors make it a prime candidate for being The Perfect Rock'n'Roll song.....don'cha think?.......

But Everywhere I go, I can't believe it's NOT America... All over The World, I can't believe it's NOT America.... and Everywhere I go, I can't believe it's NOT America...All over The USA, I can't believe it's NOT America

It's Changin', gettin' strange'n'you wanna help it on it's way.....

(All Hail) Global America! (check My Link)

May you be safe from Terrorists and Warmongers...Wherever You Are......

There is no such thing as Right Wing or Left Wing...

There is only a bird that flies......

I heard "Free as a Bird" by The Beatles recently...thought it sounded beautiful and well played.....

Can someone remind me again why it sucked?

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carmen

Subject: Any News?

Any update on the Box Set or Rageing Bull Release?

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Frank

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Empty Now

Where else can you talk about The Band ? I still believe that The Band Chronicle cannot be closed one day (just like about everyone who made a mastepiece in History : Homer, Cervantes,…..) I recently tried an attempt of interesting some of my mates extra-GB about The Band, it really doesn’t work. Here is a samlpe of some quotes i heard : « In fact, your Band, they are Canedians….. »
« I thought since the begining that all what surround Dylan cannot be bad…»
and from a local singer, talking about The Weight : « Their greatest hit, which is so hard to sing….»
etc….

I used to be ridiculous

In a more serious chapter,
1 – After the quality of their music and the substantial content of their lyrics
2 – and the year 1969, this is important
3 – and The Last Waltz
4 – and the website of Jan
5 – and the quality of their fans, including the idiots
The ultimate attractive reason, like a divine revelation, that made me definitively The band, leaving my previous stars is : The recent episod about Next of Kin in the GB

It would be hard to me to devlop this idea furthermore, i cannot be eloquent in English language.

Btw, i have not yet a favorite The Band song
I just coincidently remarked, with a naive euphoria, that the initials of This Wheels on Fire can be compressed in « Twof », my real last name,….i thought for a moment to sign by this name following the trend in the GB which consists on adopting a song for nickname, which for the circumstance is my real name. But now it is too late, a question of fidelity

I remarked in the discography of this website that « Jubilation » had a good review

Waw ! i’m amazed…just before posting, i saw a sign from Jerry, although i am not so aware with that song

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Frank Heatley

Amanda Thurlow Brown was Levon first real guitar player[never prone to bouts of guitaritis unlike some i could mention but won,t] anyway he played with the man and his sister Linda way back there in Helena right there in the biz end of the Delta..he has passed on now but Levon howls at te memoriesand when you think of it that a nice little tribute to the memory of Thurlow Brown....just listening to Levon in that mahogony rich southern accent of his relate yarns from that period is an absolute joy to behold...i had the good fortune to spend a couple of days at Levon,s place back in june 2001 explring his barn/studio, swimming in the lake at the back of the house and getting real close to the red deer which trapse through his property on a regular basis..coming from N Ireland and being such a huge fan of The Band and all thing related you can imagine how i felt getting of the bus in Woodstock, well i couldtry to articulate it but i won,t that warmest of memories will saty with me in my head for ever...a magical trip.. a delightful guy by the name of Andrew Shober [from a mellow bunch of cats called ''The Applepickers Union''] tookme out to see BIG PINK THAT NIGHT sNDY helm and i dined on the best chinese food i have ever eaten in a place next door to the Bear Restaurant [which i think is ownwd by Sally Grossmann] as i look out on rain sodden Warrenpoint[my home town] i can still see the scene on Woodstock green as i exited that ole bus '' a guy and his dog curled up fast asleep ,both of them under a bench, another guy sitting on the same bench with a friendly pet Python wrapped around his torso and Pappy Woodstock greeting all newcomers into town. Levon from time to time sends me packages of cd and if you can remeber what is was like being a kid on Xmas morning then you will have some idea of my excitment when such packages arrive.... i,ll not have a bad word said about any of The Band but for me Levon is the real deal and if you ever get a chance to hear him talk about being a kid growing up in Marvel take it with both hands..it seems to me that in everything he does Levon just hits the groove button all the time. sorry for rambling on a bit, but i feel lucky when i think about all of those aforementioned things. take care and have a nice day all

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Crabgrass

No shortage of idiots here, that's for sure. BTW Sec. of State Powell's first name is "Colin." Learn to spell.

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jerry

"This Wheels On Fire"...for Ford Explorers..before the tire recall that is...

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jerry

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Peter Viney

Moondance & Infiniti: According to the Heylin bio, Van had to give up control of his early solo albums to get out of a deal. It says something about the car though, doesn’t it? Apart from an inability to spell, which is not as bad as Mitsubishi’s “Starrion” (which was supposed to go with ‘Colt’ and resemble ‘Mustang’.) Though great in Van’s hands, Moondance has become an anodyne, bland, jazzy standard. I wouldn’t have chosen it to advertise any kind of vehicle. It conjures up ‘fake sophistication’ in a slightly sleazy way. Peugeot ads got criticized here once for going for too much strong rock (suggesting power, which in their case was an illusion). You won’t have had them in the USA, but 10 years of advertising for Renault Clios (a small hatchback) has so successfully persuaded young women that my daughter believes that ‘Girls don’t drive Fords!’ That’s successful advertising. As all her friends agree with her, it shows that Ford have been slow to realize it too. It’s a bit like Lake Woebegon, where the choice of Ford or Chevrolet showed whether you were Lutheran or Catholic.

So where is this leading? Competition time! Which Band song would best advertise which vehicle? I’ll go for “I Shall Be Released” for a large black Mercedes Pullman (as once owned by Garth) directed at the funeral business.

As the new Fleetwood Mac is a musical event, I think it worth discussing. Astonished to see a minor attack on Ms Nicks. Not that it offends me, but the concept that any male would find her less than entrancing is novel. There was a self-deprecating Grace Slick interview where she said Stevie was the only female rock star who was better-looking than the groupies.

Enjoyed the Clothesline Saga lyrics.

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rosalind

Whispering Pines
Rockin' Chair
Unfaithful Servant
Daniel and the Sacred Harp
Ain't No More Cane
Let The Night Fall
Hobo Jungle
Rags and Bones
The Weight
Don't Ya Tell Henry

Well I went down to the whorehouse
The other night
I was lookin' A-round
It was outa sight

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jerry

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jerry

King Harvest

Acadian Driftwood

Weight

Whispering Pines

Rockin Chair

Shape

Forbidden Fruit

Don't ya Tell Henry

This Wheels on Fire

Tears of Rage

Get Up Jake

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rosalind

Cannibal - 1 A person who eats human flesh. 2 An animal who eats it's own kind -adj- of, resembling, or having the habits of cannibals. Can'-ni-bal-ism' -n- can'-ib'al-is'-tic adj.

The Webster's New World College Dictionary (forth edition)

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Crabgrass

Subject: Focus / BB Sound Samples

Lack of focus??? The focus has been on Commie Cuba - and who has time for a "life" when the GB gets as hot and heavy as this? Why it would be total selfishness!!

It's too bad the exceedingly generous 1 minute sound samples from the Official Non-existent Barn Burners CD didn't generate more in the way of discussion. These teeny sound bytes aren't too bad though in my opinion the drums are mixed up much too high and give the tunes a disco feel rather than a bluesy one. (Click above link if you haven't checked them out yet.)

Personally, I much prefer the boot CDs of the Woodstock New Year's Eve 2003 show as the BB's efforts were considerably augmented by the presence of the indisputably great Hubert Sumlin. Pretty good recording quality and the songs play all the way through too!!

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Charlie Young

Subject: Van the Man Selling Cars???

Has anyone else seen the Infiniti commercial featuring "Moondance?" I'm not sure how I feel about one of my all-time favorite (though over-played) Van Morrison songs being used that way. I have to give Neil Young and others credit for just saying "no" to crass commercial use of their songs. A new strategy is the one being taken by Bruce Hornsby. He has an offer from Buick to write orginal music for a commercial to feature Tiger Woods, but since he has never allowed any his songs to be used in commercials, Hornsby has put up a voting function on his official site so fans can vote on whether he do the commercial or not.

As far as this guestbook having run out of steam, I have noticed that it seems to run in cycles and lately there has been a lack of focus for some reason. I hope it's because people are getting OUTSIDE and having lives...

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Dave Z

Lars: Hopefully there's still the forthcoming Band Box Set to discuss... and if RR ever writes a book... but what I most look forward to are Garth CDs and videos... Yes!!! So there's still some Band stuff to look forward too... Re: Fantasy, if RR ever hooked up with Levon, Garth, Weider, Rando, Bell et al... then that would be such a newsworthy event that it has the potential to be really cool especially for all those younger musicians following down a similarly authentic musical path... but like you said, fantasy, myth... Best thing to do is catch the next show from any of them... btw, how did the recent JWB and BB shows go?

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Bayou Sam

Lars may be on to something. Maybe we've run our course. Maybe we should all make this our last day on this site. We will just become lurkers and watch a whole new generation of GBers come in slowly and run the course. They will start off nicely enough....talking about all that is great about the Band history - including thier favorite Band songs. Then someone will innocently mention the tension between Levon and Robbie, and it will escalate. Then when they grow bored, they will find other things to talk ( and shout) about.

Then some wise person like Lars will point out that the gas has run out of the tank, and it's time to quit.

Of course, some "originals" will sneak into the second run under a different name (Hi Roz).......Maybe there'll be something like an old timers day like in baseball. We could come back for a night and take a few weak swings at Levon or Robbie (depending on who's side you're on).

Maybe I'll go and get some sleep now. Have a wonderful night - or morning, depending on where you are.

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jerry

She may be "mind-numbing" and "nonsensical" to some but you have to admit weather ya like her or not singing while spinning out of control is a talent...pluss even at 50 something she's still a babe, huh Peter....

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Lars Pedersen

Subject: The Band

CRABGRASS: I don't believe there are many new ideas for The Band. It's gone...and it's not coming back. BUT (and this is a big "but")if reality were pushed aside in order to see a glimpse of fantasy, then I'll play along for the fun of it.

First of all, Levon and Robbie make up and decide to play some music together (IMO that will be when hell freezes over). They get offered a lot of money to play a gig for some rich guy, like the owner of Lionel Trains (this actually happened to the Crowmatix a few years back, their band flew out to CA for a private gig...it was Elmo's first time on a plane (he's so tall they always refused to let him on the plane)). Anyway, This Band would need a keyboard player, either Prof. Louie or Richard Bell. Garth, of course, would drop everything and play organ with the stipulation that each of the other members of the group would pay him an extra $10 per week. Randy would come back to help on percussion and the bass player would either be Elmo or Roscoe Millette. Larry Packer would be on electric violin and Sredni Volmer would be on harp. Roscoe would be the lead singer, with the Sredster and Randy on harmonies. Aaron could do the high harmonies.

Alas, as The Reformed Reformed Band opened up Carnegie Hall, the night is ruined when Garth is attacked by The Fly, even though Robbie tries to catch him with a swipe of his now slowed down hand. A duck (a mallard drake) flies across the stage and shakes up the sound man so badly that he makes Robbie's mic hot. Levon's monitor is mixed up with Roscoe's. The brass section, lined up in back, starts playing the wrong song. Not even Butch can salvage the night as Levon storms off the stage to watch some football on tv.

AP is now alone on stage, winding up his cords. The press asks him for a comment and he sums it all up, "Whatever..."

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Pence again

Kris Kristofferson...Dylan connections galore, some Band, at least through playing the villain in the Steven Seagal/Levon Helm movie...

"Third World War"

Where the young men's brave new visions threaten old men's selfish Dreams

And they try to crush the spirit with their money and machines

And they call it communism because they don't know what it means

In the third world war

And the rich keep getting richer and as wrong as they are right

And the poor become the victims of the armies of the night

And the odds are never even and their skins are never white

In the third world war

Broken rules and dirty warriors spreading lies and secret funds

Can't defeat the campesino with their money and their guns

'cause he's fighting for his future and his freedom and his sons

In the third world war

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Ray Pence

The next day everybody got up

Seein' if the clothes were dry.

The dogs were barking, a neighbor passed,

Mama, of course, she said, "Hi!"

"Have you heard the news?" he said, with a grin,

"The Vice-President's gone mad!"

"Where?" "Downtown." "When?" "Last night."

"Hmm, say, that's too bad!"

"Well, there's nothin' we can do about it," said the neighbor,

"It's just somethin' we're gonna have to forget."

"Yes, I guess so," said Ma,

Then she asked me if the clothes was still wet.

I reached up, touched my shirt,

And the neighbor said, "Are those clothes yours?"

I said, "Some of 'em, not all of 'em."

He said, "Ya always help out around here with the chores?"

I said, "Sometime, not all the time."

Then my neighbor, he blew his nose

Just as papa yelled outside,

"Mama wants you t' come back in the house and bring them clothes."

Well, I just do what I'm told,

So, I did it, of course.

I went back in the house and Mama met me

And then I shut all the doors.

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Bayou Sam

Favorite Band song? Mmmmmmmmm. Tough call. I can't just pick one. There's a bunch.

The Weight

Evangeline

Long Black Veil

Thinking Out Loud

All La Glory

Ophelia

Don't Ya Tell Henry

Orange Juice Blues

It Makes No Difference

Out Of The Blue

Across The Great Divide

Rag Mama Rag

When I Paint My Masterpiece

Up On Cripple Creek

The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

.....that's just a few off the top, in no particular order.

So Crabby - are you an idiot for bringing up the idea, or am I the idiot for running with it? I'll be the idiot if you want.

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Bayou Sam

I have! Scroll back and look.

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Crabgrass

Subject: The BAND / Ranters

So little talk about The BAND??? How about suggesting a NEW TOPIC concerning The BAND instead of complaining?

The "ranters" are mostly on the LEFT in my opinion btw.

[Surely, some lame idiot is gonna start a "Favorite BAND Song" thread now.]

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Mrs. Henry

Subject: Castro...and Conservative Cretins

I don't contribute much to this GB much any more since there is so little talk about The Band and so much right-wing political ranting, but since those are the dominant threads, I will respond to those. I certainly don't see any possible connection of the mind-numbing, nonsensical music of Stevie Nicks to the subject of this board, anyway.

Regarding Fidel Castro, we don't have a real motivation for "regime change" there since there is no oil and it was Clinton, not Bush who found an imaginative use for a cigar. Should the Montreal Expos be moved to Cuba? Sure, that way an American corporation (the team is now owned by Major League Baseball) can charge poor Cubans ridiculous rates to see a boring sport just like the Puerto Rican fans who have stayed away in droves from the incredibly expensive Expos games played there this spring.

The tired tirade here earlier was one more Limbaugh-like rerun from the last century--and once again by a right-winger so excited about his incredibly dull recitation that he could not bother to break it into paragraphs. That does make it much more convenient to scroll by the words of a poster who called himself "insane" in a previous post (much like the woman who admitted she left this GB for an extended period because she was "in solitary"). It seems that they both have a bad case of MBC disease, or Missing Bill Clinton. I have to admit that I miss him, too. Those eight years of peace, prosperity and a balanced budget went by way too fast.

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Ragtime

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Bayou Sam

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Pete T

Subject: Point Counter Point

Ben, You Ignorant Slut (grin)First I want to thank you for posting back to me and I hope you take our banter as nothing more than the pure fun that I intend. That said Ben YOU IGNORANT SLUT. Why would the Clinton camp even consider settling with Paula Jones if he was the innocent man that you profess? Hummm, A long history of using his power to intminate woman into giving him cheap sloppy sex? Yeah Ben he NEVER DID THAT BUT ONCE. Kathreen Wiley threatened into silence, I believe he only got to cop a feel when she went went to him for help,What exactly do you consider a small time extra marital affair?....... Set and Match? Not even close my friend. Ok enough of My preoccupation with the former Presidents penis. Lets talk about Whitewater for just a second, Susan Mcdougal did how many years in jail for the Clintons on that one and the part they played in the fall of her husbands savings and loan? And why would she not testify ? What dirty little secrets did she know and how much did they pay her for her silence? You being way smarter than I Ben surely have an answer to that. Travelgate, very simple, simple political patronage, Phoney Hollywood friends back you , hand them back a nice fat government contract. Happens everyday and not just in the last two years of your hell. Rose Law Firm Gate, where to start? Lawyers over billing clients, they all do it and they make the laws so it must be legal? Right? Oh almost forgot The Hillary bond trade. First trade she ever made and in a couple of days made a 1000% profit? WOW she must be good. Do you think she can broker a trade for me????? I could use that kind of profit too.....Ok, Ben, I am going to travel down a paranoid conspriacy theorist road which I know you will reconize being that your thinking is dominated by paranoia. Vince Foster was MURDERED. I dont know by who or why (I think he was Hillarys lover, which would dispell all the right-wing child molesters theory that she is lesbian) Fact, Supposed self inflicted gun shot wound, no powder burns on his hand (could have shot himself from a distance then run, pick the gun up and propped himself upright against a tree in broad daylight) Maybe not though. (Ben, you have to be laughing by now, this is my A list material) Now if you shot yourself in the head sitting under a tree would'ent the force of the shot knock your body over? Also would there not be blood and brains in any of the surrounding areas? There was not. Ah the note, oh yeah Vince Foster being a highly educated man who wrote many many things and was known for his talents as a writer decided on the last day of his life not to bother with one. I find that odd, dont you Ben? Why may I ask did the DC PARK POLICE do the investigation? and within a day or two decided it was no question a suicide. Were they not the same Police force that handled the Shandra Levy case? You remember that one Ben, where your Buddy Gary Conduit (DEM.) Lawyered up and refused to help in anyway the Stellar investigation. He was smart though he placed her body in a pricker bush and everyone knows the Police wont look there, they might get a scrach. They walked by the body for ONE year, yet you believe that the Vince Foster death is without a question? Come now Ben , a man of your high intelligence must have some........ Balls in your court...... By the way, King of California, Dave Alvin I think is his best stuff, and anything by the Blasters.....

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Empty Now

Subject: Thanks to all of you wonderful people

Rosalind : He-lo Ro-sa-lind….How - do – you - do

Peter: De la race des Seigneurs

Amanda : « I am so happy you are here » the same hapiness i got when i saw your name in my email reception box.

Woodlark : It’s curious how from the moment i took the resolution to convert to a true The Band fan, i feel mysyelf uninspired of writing something worthy in the GB
(That dosnt mean that i wrote worthy before)

It was a true frustration to be kept far from the GB……..much much more than writing in English

Music suggestion: if someone is interested, i just discovered the last album of Bryan Ferry, « Frantic » including two sweet versions of Dylan’s songs « It’s all over now baby blue » and « Don’t think twice, it’s all right », the latter is really good…..That reminded me of something i read before in the GB « the best version of Jealous Guy is that of Roxy Music »

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JTull Fan

Subject: Beisbol

If the Castro era could just end soon, the Montreal Expos would have the perfect baseball market to move to. Imagine the Havana reception to returning athletes such as El Duque Hernandez and Jose Contreras.

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Dave Z

Peter V: I think you'll probably like the new Fleetwood Mac... in the liner notes, there is a small credit for Christine doing something, I forget what... btw, I respectfully disagree with you on old Mac... I absolutely love Bare Trees... and Danny Kirwan's songs are downright spooky... as well as his playing... I've even been temptedto explore his solo stuff... but never did yet...

Today, I'm working on a poster for a typography class I'm taking at night school... a poster for the song Ferdinand The Imposter... and I got the BTs on in the background... take care all...

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Amanda

I believe that many Cuban artists are allowed to travel outside Cuba, as long as the government approves and mostly if all expenses are paid by foreign sponsors. The peso can't get you very far.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Cuban Artists /KISS LIVE

Those performers must either be trusted members of The Party, close relatives of Fidel - or maybe they simply have relatives living in Cuba who they don't want to see executed.

Okay, now back to KISS!!. I recall my nephews (12 and 14 at the time) playing that KISS live album for me in the mid '70s - one of the members shouts out to the howling adolescent audience something like, "Are you drinkin' orange juice and vodka out there?" and the crowd goes wild. I thought it was kind of gross not too mention irresponsible. My nephews thought it was cool. Of course, maybe that was one of the overdubs done to increase record sales - I don't know.

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Rollie

"Time, and money, heal all wounds.........."

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Bill J.

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Bill J.

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brown eyed girl

I also missed Ibrahim Ferrer in Toronto performing at Massey Hall.

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Peter Viney

Crabbie: So how come Ibrahim Ferrer has just been (or maybe still is) in the UK? As Ruben Gonzalez was a few years ago? Anyway, as in all political discussions, minds don't get changed. Hence the futility of them. Back to the music?

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Crabgrass

Subject: Date Correction

The report of the recent "terrorist executions" in Cuba was from a 2003 copy of TIME - not a 1963 one. Maybe Fidel is the one still living back in 1963 and hasn't read about the failure of Communism in the former Soviet Union. Maybe he should start subscribing to the NY TIMES instead of re-reading his saved copies of PRAVDA.

BTW it's Castro who's putting a damper on the proliferation of Cuban music and culture by not allowing artists to travel to the FREE WORLD.

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Brien Sz

Before going to bed last night, VH-1 was airing another episode of Ultimate Albums. This one was on KISS's Alive, the one that shot them to super star status. Interesting to see how a band and a label were on the edge of bankruptcy, only to be saved at the last moment by a live album. I really didn't know that "live" albums were considered dreck recordings back then, let alone a double album.

The impetus behind the Live concept was because they were such a hot act live but their records were poor sellers. They needed to try and capture that live feel for a record. So they did 5 dates at Cobo Hall in Detroit and recorded away. At first they thought, it would be pretty easy, all they had to do was move a little less than they usually did in concert. Gene Simmons admitted he usually made tons of mistakes on bass because of all the jumping around.

So they have the concerts..., when they get to the studio and heard what they had, they knew they needed a lot of work. I can't remember the engineers name but he talked about how they overdubbed lots of singing and playing and showed examples of the overdubs (before and after) and also how they used other audience noise to overdub in the background. One instance is when the crowd sings (from another show) "I want to Rock-n-roll all night and party everyday" and how they mix that with their performance at Cobo. Interesting stuff if you're into it. Sheds a little light into how RR must have had to appraoch TLW.

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Krankenversicherung

I happened upon this site while following the links from another site. Keep up the excellent work.

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Peter Viney

Thanks BEG for the info and comments on Cuba – it’s good to hear from someone who’s actually been there, rather than getting their opinions from 1963 copies of Time Magazine.

Fleetwood Mac. This is supposedly a real Buckingham-Nicks album, and I’ll find out tomorrow morning what it’s like. Reviews are good to excellent universally. They all note that the songwriting is exactly 50 / 50, though one review says 8 songs each, another says 9 songs each. Christine Perfect did write great songs and is not on board for this one which is a great shame. Mind you given the choice of the two, I'd always vote for Stevie. But they had something special together. When Christine was with Chicken Shack, long before Fleetwood Mac, she was voted “Female Vocalist of The Year” in the UK (presumably for I’d Rather Go Blind). But trust me, Chicken Shack were prime contenders for the Sonny Boy-Robbie award for “Those British guys wanna play the blues so bad. And they do.” I saw them at least three times in their heyday because they kept turning up in places. Those were the days when colleges / universities frequently booked three bands, and they were often one of the three. They were playing second-string behind the likes of Family, early Jethro Tull, Steampacket, Joe Cocker, The Alan Bown, Blossom Toes – and were crap in comparison. They’ve recently revived and toured. A terminally dull band. But I actually thought that pre-Buckingham / Nicks, Fleetwood Mac were also pretty dull- with a few noble and notable exceptions, all played by Peter Green. McVie and Fleetwood have evolved into a superb little rhythm section, but way back then they were just simplistic. By adding people with texture and melody they made a virtue of their shortcomings and they really are great – they never play more than is necessary.

On the Sonny-Boy Awards, one of this month’s re-releases is the show he did with The Animals in 1963, “Let it Rock” (Charley Records). As both The Yardbirds and The Animals accompanied Sonny-Boy, I guess they must be who he meant. Was Eric Clapton in that line-up of the Yardbirds? The same label is re-releasing ‘Five Live Yardbirds’ their 1964 set wit 10 bonus tracks. As for The Animals, while only Alan Price was a first-division instrumentalist, the others were good enough, and I reckon Eric Burdon was one of the ultimate white blues singers.

Ben – Best of Marmalade. I reckon there’ll be something around in the UK though the chances are it’ll be on a budget label sold in a corner of the convenience store. These stands are always worth looking at, as there are a few gems tucked away on them. I’ll keep an eye out for one.

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Kalervo

Subject: Ambivalence

Thank you Brown Eyed Girl for your passionate, honest and open-hearted message on Cuba and other things. To dig Cuban music and culture doesn' t mean supporting hard side of Cuban policy. Just like I am in Finnish-American society and dig many faces of culture in USA, but I see excecutions in USA (death-penalties/gun craziness) really something from the Dark Middled Age, which shouldn' t belong to a modern western culture. Angelina you are a real universalist, one of those people who are making this gb fresh and open-minded! Without you and your kind of people it would be hard for us non-US citizen to feel comfortable here.

Being a part of western culture it is so hard not feel ambivalence towards USA. The ugly side of USA (violence, money addiction, hard-line capitalism, redneck patriotism etc.) makes me sad and troubled, but most of time I see the beauty and spiritual richness of American culture, people and Nature. I really do, that' s why I am still in Finland-USA society. And that is why I am eager to point to my cynical compatriots that there are so much beauty left in America...

Like Walela, which I am listening just now,the spirituality and beauty (I am repeating this word!) of Rita Coolidge' s, her sister Priscilla' s and Priscilla' s daughter, Laura Satterfield' s voices...Look at the web site....Thank God there are circles of light everywhere on this old Gaia, in USA, in Canada, in Finland..."we are not strangers, we are brothers...we came here to love each other"...

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Richard

Subject: BEG / Bush / The Mac / Jerry

BEG: Don't sweat it brown eyed girl, I'm being attacked in here by both Americans AND Canadians for being anti-Bush. Not complaining mind you... As several here have pointed out, I should be willing to "pay" for my "freedom" of speech. I, for one, love hearing about Cuba and the their music scene. I may visit Cuba when I get home from China...

Bush: Apparently the latest development in the aftermath of the attack on Iraq, is Bush's plan to punish France with trade sanctions. Wow, talk about a "sore winner".

The Mac: I've always been fond of "Kiln House" (1970) which contained neither Green NOR Perfect in the lineup (although Christine did do the cover painting). A great recording.

Jerry: I suggest you try to find a Peter Green solo LP from 1979 (I think) called "In the Skies". It's a damn solid effort by Green. May not be on CD though.

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Woodlark

Good to see Empty Now back here. Looking forward to many interresting contibutions!

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jerry

My Mac history was off, I just checked a Peter Green site and was reminded that Christine (Perfect)McVie at the time was not a member of Peter Greens Fleetwood Mac, which is the time frame I meant to mention as a favorite period of mine..I doubt anyone left a band in the fashion that Green left Mac, he was going through some sort of religeious phase and wanted the rest of band to donate all there profits to charity..

When the rest of the band didn't feel like being as charitable, he split and except for a mini reunion in the early 70's was vitually unheard from, he struggled for almost twenty years with mental illness and now makes music with a group called Peter Greens Splinter group....

Also just before the formation of Mac Green played with John Mayall and made an album with Paul Butterfield on it..I didn't know that but I'm sure many in here did...

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Sheila

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Mike D.

Christine is missed a lot. But it's not fair to judge an album just because she's not there. I've heard a promo copy of the album from a friend who is a program director at a radio station. It's pretty good. Lindsey's stuff is best, as usual. In my opinion, Mac were much better before Christine became a member. I'm thinking of the Peter Green days. Peter, I hear that Christine is working with the surviving memebrs of The Doors. Sorry, I couldn't resist. I still love Christine's voice though.

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brown eyed girl

Here goes.....I just got back from seeing "Fidel" with some of my friends who travelled with me on the Cuban Cultural Tour. It was the first time I saw Fidel speak in English....We know why he generally CHOOSES not to.....;-D..Anyway, Nelson Mandela was shown greeting Fidel with....."My friend.....When are you coming to South Africa?" When Fidel wouldn't commit to a date....Former lawyer Nelson repeatedly asked former lawyer Fidel.....Apparently Fidel did visit soon after.....Harry Belafonte shared that before Batista was given the boot.....(That's what I really respect about Fidel and Che and the Cuban people) Cuba was...."blatantly racist and corrupt".....He was reflecting on the time he played in the jazz clubs before the Revolution....Alice Walker and Nobel Peace Prize Writer Marquez also spoke fondly of Fidel.....Walker joked that Fidel actually can't dance or sing....One of Fidel's teachers talked about the time Fidel would play basketball after everyone went to bed.....Or if he went fishing with the boyzzzzz....He had to be the one who brought home the most fish......He was so competitive and apparently could memorize anything that he was exposed to......

The first time I ever saw Fidel shed a tear....was when the remains of Che were finally brought back to Cuba and one of Che's daughters spoke on behalf of her father....She was only five when she lost her father.....Those of us who lost our fathers at a very early age in life know only too well......The loss will leave an emptiness that can never be totally filled......Perhaps that's one reason why MUSIC is so important to us and why male writers specifically mean so much to us...

Of course I don't support any executions of any kind.....Don't forget Fidel was in prison himself for about two years.....If you're going to BARK about Cuba......How come you don't discuss how another Doctor like Che.....Allende.....was FREELY AND PEACEFULLY ELECTED by the Chilean people for a Socialist government and the CIA....."Criminals In Action"....song also by American rappers Rage Against The Machine.....murdered Allende because this type of government doesn't support American interests?????......I don't want you to answer me publically I just would like you to reflect on a different perspective.....Some people in this GB would rather get into the personal business of individual posters rather than discuss Cuba but as the Canadian group Spirit Of The West sing....."Everything's Political".....anyway.....

My original post on Cuba was arts related.....and Kalervo asked about my trip in the GB. I mentioned the John Lennon Sculpture because there are some heavy duty Lennon fans here and it's music related.....Hmmmm....Does Ry Cooder, Jack Nicholson (also in the film, etc.) and the people I travelled with in support of executions because we visited Cuba and we don't have the same views as you??????.....Anyway, see the film or visit the Island and then we can email about are OWN ASSESSMENTS.....Until then...I won't post again about Cuba.....

Oh one more thing....I had the opportunity to meet and hang with people who lived in NYC and moved to Cuba and didn't return......Surely their views are valid as well....Btw....They travel outside of the country all the time because of their work....Of course there are CONTRA....DICTIONS....Even Marx wrote about the clash and unity of interests......in any political system...The last thing I want to share is what an American said in the film....I can't remember if he was a former CIA member or a former US representative in Cuba....but......He basically said that a lot of Americans almost have a psychosis when it comes to discussing Cuba......NO POINT in discussing because of the propaganda they received from their Government and heck......Cuba is a tiny Island who still has survived even with the Blockade.......The US still couldn't get to Fidel.....Too much for some Americans....Btw....When Fidel was shown visiting The New York Times he said that he believed everything that was written in their paper except.....what was written about Cuba.....Oh and Harlem was the only area in NYC which would give him a room in a hotel.....Prof Angela Davis said she'd be there no matter what because of what Fidel and Che symbolize for many peoples of the world............

My brother had a Che poster in his bedroom as a teenager but never was left of centre politically......He has also visited Vietnam and recently returned from Laos and he's also travelled to China and India....Why? He's a history scholar who also likes to make his OWN ASSESSMENTS....Shhhh....He wears Armani too!

One of my fave Ibrahim Ferrer tunes...."Marietta"...Oh and another great Dylan cover is by Rage Against The Machine....."Maggie's Farm"....

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Crabgrass

Subject: Cuba Discussion Site

Hey, don't feel guilty for posting about music here - our regulars are very adept at using the scroll bar!!

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Ben Pike

PT, sorry, it's took awhile for me to get back to you. RE: Paula Jones, yeah, I mean that woman. The one who's trumped up story was thrown out of court, who was paid for years as a professional witness, who later said her born again legal team told her not to settle(to her fincail loss), who's non-story was built up by the mainstream media at the behest of the radical right(now we know, the child molesting right) etc., etc. Yeah, the one were the journalist who broke the story had said he essetaily made it up and publicly apoligized to the Clintons.The fact that She was paid off when Clinton's Monica schnaagans had cornered him is more of a point of shame to Clinton's ruthless attackers than to Clinton, as the world of Penthouse photo shoots and Celeb Kickboxing would later bare out.

As might happen with even someone of considerably more smarts than you, PT, you are getting your "Get Clinton" scams mixed up. The State Troopers story was another fabrication, where witnesses were paid through the offices of "American Spectator" (and the crooked Ted Olson) to fabricated stories that colapsed in court. All part of the 72 million dollar witchhunt that cleared Clinton on Filegate, Travelgate, Whitewater, Troopergate, Vince Foster, etc, etc, but did uncover the startling news that he didn't like to answer questions about his rather small time womanizing in public. And that, my slow witted PT, is game, set, match on the facts. On the fantasy, well, the horrid last two years of our history is the payback for a great country gone smug. Well, the Band warned us all about the legacy on small town meaness with "The Rumor."

PV, I'm trying to chase down a Marmalade "best of" CD. Have you ever seen there albums on CD?

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Bayou Sam

It's great to see people who feel as I do about Christine McVie. I remember realizing that the "other" women in Fleetwood Mac was so good but was in the shadow of Stevie Nicks, to a certain degree. SN got more attention because she was a knockout. That's not to say that SN isn't without talent - but I much prefer Christine's tunes to Stevies. I can also listen her voice much longer than Stevie's vibrato whine. I even picked up CM's solo album of some years ago, and I hunted down the one she released as Christine Perfect prior to her Mac days.

Sorry to put all this music stuff on the Cuba discussion site folks.

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Amanda

Empty Now: I am so happy you are here. :o)

Sheila: It's great to see another Arkansas girl around here. I'm from Blytheville in the northeast corner of Arkansas, but I live in South Carolina now. Crazy Chester sounds like a typical Arkansas eccentric! I bet Ronnie Hawkins and Levon have some great stories about him. Did you know that Levon and his band, The Barnburners, will be playing in Brinkley on May 10th? Maybe you can make the show. I look forward to hearing more from you.

Frank Heatley: Tastee Freeze...you made me want a vanilla custard ice cream cone dipped in chocolate...memories. Can you tell us more about Thurlow Brown?

Rosalind: Thanks.

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Sheila

You bet there was really was a Crazy Chester. Chester was really his name, too. I've mentioned his name quite a few times to different folks in my area and you would not believe how many people were amazed to hear about a local guy mentioned in a song such as The Weight.

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jerry

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jerry

Peace Again...I agree with you, I always thought Chris McVie never got the credit she deserved, She has a wonderful voice, and is a good song writter in her own right.

Pluss Chris goes back to Mac before they went pop, when they were known as a British blues band. An era I liked as much if not more than the Nicks/ Buckingham era.

Mac used to close there shows with a song Chris penned if memory serves me well titled "Songbird" just her singing and playing piano, it was a show stopper to say the least...

Your right about Chris not participating on the current tour and as far as how the cd is being recieved I havn't heard although they play a song off it called "Peacekeeper" on a regular basis up here...

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Crabgrass

Subject: Cuba

Gosh, I read that Cuba doesn't permit it's citizens to leave the island in the New York Times so maybe it's not true. I'll have to see if I can tune into Radio Havana and get the real low-down!!

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Charlie Young

Subject: Crazy Chester & the Crackers

That's cool to know that there actually WAS a guy known as Crazy Chester. That makes me wonder if some of the other characters from the pen of J. R. Robertson were autobiographical in origin. I figure that if Robbie did write about real people early on, that must have stopped by the time of Pepote Rouge, though.

Speaking of names, I learned tonight that there was an American jazz band from around 1930 called Roy Wilson and his Georgia Crackers--so it's a good thing that our guys used the name The Band, as that "Crackers" idea wasn't so original after all...

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Pence again

...I like them a lot, and Johnny Rivers too...there's something about that southern California dreamy euphoria that works for me...of course Mama Cass was the linchpin, the best singer in the group by a country mile...imagine how tough that would have been with her body at a time like that when starvation imagery was everywhere with Twiggy, etc...(not that much has changed, but I marvel at the attitudes she must have had to overcome, and her strength in doing so)

for some reason I just thought of how Christine McVie was much, much better than Stevie Nicks, in my view, but when I was in high school Stevie of course was the object of most adolescent males' wet dreams...is it true that the new Mac album has no Christine, and if so, am I right in thinking it's not very good??

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Ray Pence

The Dixie Chicks, whose tour is almost 100% sold out, heh heh heh, will play in Kansas City at Kemper Arena in a couple weeks...that's where I saw Springsteen in 2002, interestingly...I won't be at the DC show, but will give a report based on media, etc...

regarding Cuba...the only reason I've been silent on the matter is because I haven't kept up enough on the current situation to form any kind of credible opinion...and the US government and mass media are liars and distorters when it comes to Cuba--I have learned to be skeptical of them and have no reason to change...not because I think it's a "paradise" of any kind, I know better than that...but of course if we're going to get into questioning silence we could ponder why there's been no discussion here of US involvement in Guatemala...Peru...El Salvador...Nicaragua...Mexico...all governments that are corrupt as hell, in the case of Guatemala and Mexico, horrifyingly corrupt...damn right let's be critical of all politicians, Castro Bush Hussein Putin Clinton Kerry, not pick and choose...

I like to listen to people who have actually taken time and effort to visit the countries that are vilified, like Cuba, and I've been fortunate to know a few folks who've been there...they aren't Communists by a longshot, but they provide a perspective that is almost NEVER heard/seen on our supposedly free media...I visited Vietnam in 1995 and learned a few things about a country and a people who have been systematically lied about, brutalized by various authorities including their own...I don't romanticize Vietnam or Cuba, but I don't condemn them, and my first responsibility is to hold my own country and leaders to the high standard we supposedly represent...

a while back, I think Pat Brennan pointed out the absurdity of punishing artists who have been associated with "leftist" politics, where does it stop???? and I thought yeah, that movie Levon did with Steven Seagal, WHERE THE HELL does Levon get off making a movie that's critical of corporations????? let's put him on the list for the Office of Homeland Security...

was reading Bob Spitz' bio of Dylan, pretty ornery volume there...lots of juicy anecdotes, absolute irreverence toward his subject, Zimmerman doesn't come across too positively, but when Spitz gives him his due it means more...I like the vignette about Dylan visiting Michael Bloomfield during the former's Christian phase...any other views on this book???????

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Sheila

I lost my train of thought from before as all three of my kids needed me at the same time. Thurlow sounded like quite a character, didn't he? My father in law told me about Crazy Chester. Chester used to walk everywhere. He wore a cheap red dime-store cowboy hat and wore his britches legs tucked into his cowboy boots. He knew everyone, and everyone knew him. It amazes me that I've been singing along with the lyrics of these songs for a long time and I'm just now learning that some of these people were right in my own backyard!

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Sheila

Subject: first timer

Thanks to Frank Heatley for the nice message about my post. I'm a first timer to this message board, and I thought I'd just step right on in and say HI to one and all. To answer his question though, No I don't know of Thurlow Brown. The first time I heard of him was in Levon's book. Those fellas are from the southern portion of Arkansas, I'm in the northwest corner. That's why it surprised me so much to learn that they were around here in my hometown so often. Small world, Huh?.. Thanks again, and I hope to talk to you all real soon.

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Gene

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Peter Viney

Empty Now- great to see you back. We missed you.

Literacy- the thing is literacy opens a door. You can try and restrict the view through that door, but you won’t ever succeed. Cuba in 1960 was full of illiterate people on the lowest subsidence level. Now they aren’t illiterate. I’m sure Fidel’s still trying to restrict the view through the door, but we know it won’t work. Once it’s open, there’s a chance for people - however the party apparatus might try to stifle that chance. In a pre-literate subsidence state, in what was a totally corrupted country, I believe the chances were less. Of course Castro’s an arsehole. He’s a politician. But I could list twenty worse ones in two minutes.

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rosalind

Glad to have you back Buck!

Jer - You horney dog you ...ruff ruff ruff (wink)

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Empty Now

Thanks Lil. I withdrew myself during the two last months and, like you can read in my last post, i invested exclusively in The Band world. 24 hours a day, I had no other occupation than reading, listening, thinking, or talking about The Band, out of this website. That reminded me of a local proverb, “If you wasted your time, don’t rob the time of your neighbour”
That’s what i call a fan, never too late.

In reality, i was unable to seat beside the computer ( oh! no! the same old chorus).
Thanks Amanda and Ed for your emails.
Sorry (or how lucky you are) everybody else for my absence.

Just for the correctness...in my last post read the following sentence:
i found the article of Mr Viney which taught me all what I need about “The Weight”

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Håkan

The Band is The Band

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Pat Brennan

I truly am enjoying observing people's need to tell celebrities to stop talking about politics when those same people seem so intent on doing nothing but that here.

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jerry

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roz

I'm sorry Amanda, upon closer inpection with my contacs in, you are absolutely right. The "vonvicker" is in the "to" box I'm glad you didn't send it ...I like you. I get some nasty email from folks concerning this place but maybe none of them actually post ...

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jerry

Subject: Mamas and the Papas

I'm reading a interesting article about former Mama/Papa singer Denny Doherty in the local newspaper.

He's doing a show titled "Dream a Little Dream" described as a cross between a VH1 Behind the Music and a nightclub act. Doherety says, the songs, the music, tell the story. I'm just filling in the spaces.

I was to young to really remember them in 1966 but what incrediable music these folks made. I've seen the VH1 bio on them, unfortunatley another group with a sad ending, but for two years or so what a great sound.

It sounds like Doherty tells of the good times and the bad times as well. At one point admitting that he is ashamed he spurned Cass Elliots affection: "she weighed 300 pounds and I wasn't enough of a man to get past that.

He goes on to credit Cass for her importance: "Am I telling tales out of school? No, he goes on to say: "everyones writting there books saying I did this and I did that. But it was all her. she was the one who put it together".

I wouldn't say I'm a great fan of theres but when "Monday, Monday" comes on the local oldies station how can ya help but sing along....

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Pete T

Subject: Pehr

No hard feelings on this end at all. I am really just pretty insane and should not be held responsible. I enjoy a good arguement, I got that from my Grandma. Really If I pissed anyone off, sorry, I have a strange view of the world, too cynical I think. Old dog syndrome. Can't/won't change ........

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Addendum

Those recent "terrorist executions" underscore that the U.S.'s policy regarding Cuba is a correct one and prove that Castro has not mellowed but retains his iron grip upon the citizens of Cuba through perpetual intimidation.

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Pete T

Subject: DAVE ALVIN

Ben- what the hey we argee on something, Dave Alvin is just pure great. I also really enjoy Buddy and Julie Miller. I think Julie is the best song writer around. Classic. I upped my meds and have calmed down some. See you all at the next Barnburner show

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Pehr

Pete T. sorry we dont agree.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Cuba Si! / Castro No!

Gee, it looks like I was left off the list to recieve that Bush/Hitler thing - thought I'd be at the top. Maybe it's because I didn't vote for Bush and am not a Republican. (I think Castro/Hitler would be a better pairing though.)

Castro's literacy campaign? Why would anyone in Cuba want to be able to read when you can only read what the government permits you to read like Marx and Engels? Fun reading!!

As for music, the very talented Cuban jazz pianist Gonzalo Rubalcaba, who blends Latin flavors with Bill Evans style keyboard work, has been permitted to perform here by the State Dept. in recent years though he was initially barred from doing so. And I'm sure the State Dept. would permit any Cuban musicians to enter the U.S. to play with Ry Cooder - though Castro I'm certain would not permit them to leave as they'd probably never return.

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Pete T

Subject: JFK

JFK wrote two books? as told to Pierre Sallinger? Sorry, JFK never wrote or had an original thought in his life. Not one. Thanks for continuing perhaps the biggest American Myth, the JFK Presidency. Not in one of my posts will you find anything good to say about politicans, Bush included, nice attempt to put me on the other side of the fence.

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Pehr

Pete T. JFK wrote two books that I know of, "While England Slept" and "Profiles in Courage".

Last I checked the PT 109 was indeed hit by a torpedo and sank While JFK was on board. He didn't have to lie about being a pilot in the Natl' guard, etc...

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Gene

What? Oh, 'terrorism'???

Nevermind...and God Bless 'Murka'

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Kalervo

Subject: Music to be grounded by...and uplifted

Brown Eyed Girl and Dave Z.: Many thanks for Jerry Alfred and Holly McNarland. I am listening Holly through Kazaa, a passionate songstress...want to listen her more.. from Jerry I listened some clips,I must check him too, the real keeper of the song.

J.Tull Fan:Not WAR, although it was a fine band, too. I have even seen it, without Eric. But WOR, really strong Native rap group...World music is so rich in variety, not just polkas.Wonderful fado queens from Portugal: Dulce Ponte, Mariza, Misia, Hawaiian slack key masters, ah.. list is endless..

I wholly agree with Peter V. what he said about Cuba.

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Pete T

Subject: More On Ben

Ben- Am I to understand that pedophiles are only Right Wing Christians? That only the Left engages in proper sexual conduct? Oh Thats right John Wayne Gaisey was a Democratic fund raiser. Almost forgot that. I wonder what its like to look through rose colored (communist pink) sun glasses where everthing is so damn clear for you. Could you send me a pair? I find you a very fascinating man, please write when you find work...........

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Amanda

Rosalind: I know what you are talking about now. I got the same Bush/Hitler email that you did. It was from hrsev@lycos.ru . I did not send it to you. I don't send emails to anyone without identifying myself.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Crabgrass, P. Viney, and for Bill, TLW on an airplane!

Peter: I agree with your position on Cuba 99% in your last post as it is very similar to my own view on the subject, but Crabby has a very valid point which I raised a short while ago. Some in the Cuba Fan Club out here, who are quick to write a rosy travelogue of the island while ignoring the darker side, are just as quick to take the 'head in the sand' pacifist view on other pertinent issues of the day. So it is incongruous, that's all. BILL/TLW: Let's see, we don't know if TLW was ever shown on an airliner, but we can recreate the experience. It is 1979 shortly after that DC-10 lost an engine and crashed on takeoff in Chicago, so you, the traveler, are a little apprehensive. You down a few scotches at the airport lounge to give you 'boarding courage', and you are pleasently surprised to see TLW as the feature film. As the movie starts, you notice that the screen (in the days prior to mini-lcd drop-down tv's)has a greenish hue, but hey, you can deal. But wait, you have sound only from one side of your headphones, and that is of the scratchy telephone quality variety. Oh, well. Your buzz gets you grooving to the opening chords of DOn't Do It and Cripple Creek. But then the in-flight service is slow, and your buzz starts to wear off. You notice that the story of 'more p**** than Frank Sinatra' has been edited out so as not to offend. Then, just as Richard starts telling some of his best antecdotes, the captain interrupts the sound to announce turbulence and please buckle your seatbelt. Finally, the movie comes back on and you've missed some of 'Old Time Religion'. But that's ok, the service cart is coming your way and you can grab a couple coctails and get back to watching the 'green version' of TLW, but Lo! Some idiot who has to use the bathroom gets up after the cart passes him, so all he can do is stand in the aisle, and make 6 inches per minute as you miss some of the best scenes! Then, the stewardess tires of his standing on alternate legs, and moves the car to the other side of the plane (and past you!) to let him pass.You are now watching the Staples and Emmylou Harris, but with your buzz gone you are no longer in the spirit of the film, and the scratchy sound and green tint are just pissing you off. Finally, the service cart comes to you and the stewrdess gives you a dirty look becuae you do not have exact change. There is more turbulence so the pilot shuts the movie off. Your buzz comes back, and so does the film, but it is now the end credits. The pilot announces the remainder of the trip should be smooth, and to please enjoy the next feature: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, featuring the BEe Gees!. Suddenly, the color balance is correct, but you throw your headphones down in disgust. Fortunately for you, your seatmate says 'cool, something good!', and you can hear there headphones, sound cranked all the way up, for the duration of the flight. See what we missed!

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Lil

Empty Now!!! Where have you been?? We missed you. Welcome back!

Have a good day everyone.

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Dave Z

Roz: I'm on a fast right now... but you are right about "serious"... I was just daydreaming about spending some time in the GB archives... and everytime I would seesaw something that really bothered me... I would then jump back here... flame... and then quick pop back... After I read the first entry, I was tempted to come back here and post about the future perils... and tell Jan he must shut this place down right away... but then I realized I just needed food... and I really had to pretend hard anyway to really be bothered... I finally finished that Patchen book... not bad, and lots of talk about food too... anyway, hot caramel on DQ softserve sounds great right now... think I'll go listen to Jeff's CD again...

Let's see, with the money going down a hole... and the SARS scare in Toronto... I think I need only one more wacky thing to get the needed push to hit the road again... well, and I got to work heavily on the wife... major voodoo and trickery... any negotiating strategies? Anybody? Roz, you're terrified of seeing a live show so you're close to fear? Nay, I think it's hopeless at this point...

Kalvero, I'm gonna bit the bullet... and try some Am Ind flute music on my next CD purchase... Has anybody picked up the John Platania CD off of the Woodstock Records site?...

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Pete T

Subject: Ben Pike (again)

Ben, Were my points on your buddy Bill Clinton a little a close to home? I was so looking forward to matching wit's with you, but I guess you would have to have one to match up with me............

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jerry

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Amanda

Bush/Hitler...what are you talking about? Listen...sister girl...I don't think I've been the one around here to let you get under my skin.

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Peter Viney

The new Fleetwood Mac is out here on Monday and is the first UK simultaneous CD / DVD-Audio release. Question is which one do you get? I’m very impressed with 5.1 sound on Rumours, but if I want to listen to something on 5.1 it’s kind of a formal event – while CD might be on while I’m working, or in the car. You think if they went to the trouble of conceiving the record as 5.1 from the outset, it might be pretty good. Hmm.

Crabbie- the silence about the Cuban executions, is so what do you say? I don’t think anyone ever imagined that Fidel was a saint. I taught Cuban teachers and was told that the great literacy campaign (his great acheivement in moving literacy from under 10% to 98% in a few years) was partly a fake: literacy was sometimes classed as being able to copy your own name when they were desperate for statistics. But it was partly real too. The 10 to 98% was bullshit, but it might have been 10% lifted to 70%. Sure, he’s got blood on his hands. After two decades (quoting the article) of comparative quiet, he’s got them wet again. The point was that the “pariah regime” bit is 40 years old, and in those 40 years both the USA and UK have cuddled up nice and close to so many regimes and dictators who completely dwarf Castro. That’s been true locally in Latin America, let alone the world. The US stance on Cuba is totally disproportionate, and preventing Ry Cooder from making more music with great Cuban musicians is extremely petty. I see those photos of Ceaucescu shaking hands with the Queen … the 1980s selling WMD to Iraq … but Fidel still remains the great Satan. While the missile crisis of FORTY years ago is held up as the reason, there are many who suspect that the expulsion of the Mob and their close political associates from their investments was his truly unforgiveable sin. I mean you can travel to Russia, who supplied those 1962 missiles, but not to Cuba? Logical? Look at how the Berlin Wall fell, look at how China has changed over ten years. The secret is dialogue - communication and contact, not a freeze out. That’s what the rest of the world is doing. Musically, Cuba is a major crossroads culture – like the Southern USA, Jamaica and Brazil- where African and Western forms have blended. Cuba, like the other three, is a major distinct blend. I suggest sitting down with the Ry Cooder / Manuel Galban, relaxing and enjoying what Cuba has to offer! I personally loathe cigar smoke and rum, so I won’t recommend any accompaniments.

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Empty Now

Subject: The Weight

Someone in my close neighborhood told me recently about my “special interest to The Band”…pfff!!!…..
Then the same Someone let me understand, in a subtle manner, on the necessity of reading some work of William Faulkner in order to appreciate “The Weight”.
I was first surprised. That’s the kind of link i never needed before to enjoy the voice/bass/drums of Rick/Levon, the piano/organ of Richard/Garth, and the guitar of Robbie.
So i was sad for all that poor people who will never get entire satisfaction when listening to “The Weight”, because they didn’t read the complete work of William Faulkner before.
After the surprise, and my disappointment about my ignorance, I was really afraid thinking of reading about a tenth of a Faulkner’s book.
Fortunately, i got the precaution to look for something related in this website, i found the article of Mr Viney which taught me better than any other source about “The Weight” .
Thanks God there is a Jan site.

Footnote: Things are much more easy with The Beatles....…Yeah! Yeah! Yeah...!!!!!

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frank heatley

in the midst ofthe heaviness which manifests itself here from time to time, it was nice to see that concise post from sheila ....did ya all know that ole cat Thurlow Brown, Levon speaks very fondly off him...the Tastee Freeze that is were Levon saved Robbie from A sound thrashing in much more simpler times....Sandy Helm by the way is a real lady. have a nice saturday everybody [i,m at work]

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rosalind

Ben -Wanna play the 'dozens'? Remember what happened last time we played the dozens? Don't push me boy !

Amanda - -I musta really got under your skin. I've seen that Bush / Hitler deal before tho ... make it something more original next time. okay? Thanks Babe!

Dave - Would you trade some really cool blues lyrics for a bowl of soft-serve vanilla ice cream with hot caramel sauce? I'll supply the smoother. I make caramel sauce with good ol' Kentucky bourbon. Never let spirits boil, it cooks out the alcohol content. Cook the caramel to hard stage, add the whiskey off the heat to create the right syrupy consistency. Delicious!

People take this guestbook deal far too seriously........... Loosen Up Folks, this place is too much like real life to be worth hardly a passing glance.

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Bayou Sam

I think it's time for everyone to step back - and take a breath. I'll do it.

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Ben Pike

Roz, why don't you in the Paula Jones/ Jesus fan club get the child molestation problems in your own house under control before deciding what is going on in Pete's head! Lord, the boy who bankrolled the whole Paula Jones media assault, picking up teenage runaways to take dirty photos of them! Well, the sickness of the American right is always there for those willing to look. So don't change the subject, the low morals of Bible belt types are well known, always overflowing out of the pot of sludgy right wing stew for all to see.

Been checking out Dave Alivn's "Public Domain", it grows on you. Wins a place on the shelf next to the Harry Smith.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Bob & Band / People's Paradise

There would never have been any Band as we know it without Dylan.

I knew the Havanaphiles would clam up on the "terrorist execution" issue. Ha!!

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John Hartery

One of my all-time favourite groups, I always felt going with Dylan was a drawback.

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brown eyed girl

Canadian Legends Muse Over Music....Similarities Abound for Robertson and Lanois

It would seem Robbie Robertson and Daniel Lanois are kindred spirits. The two men, who both spoke this weekend as part of Canadian Music Week, have built their careers slipping between popular rock and personal esoterica.

While Robertson was a founding member of The Band, Lanois served as a producer for Peter Gabriel and U2. Robertson's solo work explored his aboriginal roots, while Lanois, from Hull, Quebec (moved to Hamilton, Ontario when parents separated) has drawn on traditional Quebecois music for his own projects. Robertson has worked as musical supervisor on Martin Scorsese films since "Raging Bull", while Lanois wrote the score for the Billy Bob Thornton film "Sling Blade". (Check out "Lonely One", "Secret Place" and "Darlin") The similarities abound, and the two legends recognize their kinship. When Robertson returned to recording in 1987 after an 11-year hiatus, it was Lanois he asked to co-produce the album.

As Robertson worked silently behind the conference scenes, Lanois took to the stage. In addition to taping a performance for Bravo! and participating in an intimate performance and discussion of his work at the Canadian Music Week conference on Friday afternoon, Lanois played a sold-out set at the El Mocambo on Saturday night.

Robertson offered his own insight into why Canadians have been internationally successful. The secret, he mused, is our cold winters. "Maybe it's just we had nothing else to do, because we couldn't go outside. It's a bit of mystery why so much good music has come out of Canada, but boy, am I proud of that."

After I saw Robbie for the second time at CMW....I met someone from one of the entertainment papers who was hanging around and we started talking.....As we were about to catch the streetcar to go out for dinner he told us that he was on his way to see Daniel Lanois play at the El Mocambo.....Well.....I don't BEG!!!!.....(Some of you still don't get it...)....I told him with desolate brown eyes that we couldn't get tickets because the show was sold out for a long time and when I met Daniel....again.....I couldn't beg him for a ticket......So the person from the media said come with me.....Well....since the Club isn't far from where I live, I didn't have anything to lose....I needed to see Daniel perform again and at the time there was a rumour that Robbie might drop by........Well....my dinosaur camera saved the day.....I showed him my camera and he said....Great....I'll get you in as my camera person.....Ha, ha, ha.....Laughing.....'cause I got in and felt so good listening and groovin' to Daniel and Brian Blade that night.....powerful combination......You don't know who to look at...both musicians hypnotized me.....Powerful Positive People Energy.....bouncing off the walls...and connecting with people who are open to positive vibrations...:-D

Thanks to Emmylouuuuu....saw her at Lilith Fair and Concert Against Landmines....exposed me to Brian Blade and Julie Miller....Daniel mentions Julie as one of his helpful friends as well as Brian Eno and Bono in SHINE...Btw....Does anyone know what Daniel's sister..Jocelyn.....is doing these days? I only know her from playing bass at one time in Toronto's Crash Vegas....

Hubert Sumlin and Billy Branch as I post....and Howlin' Wolf.....Kalervo....I think Boomkat's...."Wasting My Time" is ok.....But I still think Robbie should have supported Holly McNarland who is part Native herself and originally from Winnipeg, Canada....I saw her on the same bill as Kingston, Ontario's Moist...She has amazing records out but with Robbie's experience and drive....Everyone would know her...instead of Dana Glover and Boomkat.

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Sheila

Subject: Six Degrees of Separation

Been a big fan of The Band 4 a long time. Got to looking back at their history and found out a lot of things. A good friend is related directly to Ronnie Hawkins. Friend of my husbands is related to Levon's wife. The Band frequented the Iris Hotel, Tastee Freeze and the Rockwood Club here in Fayetteville. My mom in law was a waitress at the Rockwood and have met them all! Crazy Chester is from here too! Everyone here knows about him. WOW!

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Richard

Subject: Cousin Paul

Well folks, the next time you get to feeling down about the relatives you've been burdened with, just think of how poor old Rick Danko must have felt… ;-)

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Dave Z

Thanks Paulg, I've also got some video... of my little gitar player strumming and singing... mixing the words to both Gimmie A Stone... and Baby, Don't You Do It...

Kalervo, I've been enjoying Jerry Alfred and the Medicine Beat... Etsi Shon (Grandfather Song)... As I posted a while back, he actually uses the swishing of a canoe paddle as a rhythm guitar or at least it sounds that way to me on one track... I am constantly checking johntrudell.com hoping I don't miss his next swing thru here... I agree with you about the new world music... but I have to say that I still love picking up new recommendations about older music from the chatter that goes on here... Music like Miles Davis and the Band fits in rather nicely with any decade...

Lil: It was nice to read your post about the Joel/John show... and hear you had such a good time...

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Crabgrass

Subject: Joe McCarthy

Fan of Joe McCarthy? I don't think so!! Hey, I praised Pete Seeger right here in the GB while others dumped on him!

Also, one of my all time fave comedy recordings is of a CBC radio play called "The Investigator" which was a parody of Sen. McCarthy's illustrious career. It was broadcast live in the 50s and an off-the-air tape by a listener was eventually released on Broadside Records. It is broadcast live on WBAI-NYC (not Rush Limbaugh's station) annually which is where I first heard it in the 60s.

Anyone else familiar with this?

[BTW I actually have "a list of names" whereas Joe didn't!!]

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Bayou Sam

Subject: music

Congrats Kerry - and what a nice, postive, happy, Band, music related post your's was to read in this current GB climate. Thanks for letting us know.

I was just imagining a collaboration between Billy Joel and Garth. That would be some very interesting keyboard music. I wonder if anyone's ever asked Billy about Garth in an interview. I'd love to hear his take on Honeyboy. Big Pink came out right about the time BJ was getting his feet wet in bands here on Long Island.

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Fred

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Cousin Paul

Subject: Richard

Sorry folks for Richard!!! I live 10 miles up the highway from St. Catherines and I did not know that there was a mental institute so close to Niagara Falls, and they also supplied the PATIENTS with the Internet. Take your med's Richard. Going to see The Downchild Blues Band tonight. I hope that Richard doesn't show up after reading this post; I can't find my stupid proof vest!! The Blues Brothers Movie's were writen about Richard(Hock)and Donnie Walsh(Downchild Blues Band). Sorry about the post, Canadian's are GOOD people as you all know. Say a prayer for Richard. Woodstock people,See you in town,23-26 May. Peace Love Paul.

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Pete T

Subject: Thanks Chicks

My son just went off to the bathroom with the Dixie Chicks cover, I think he is tring to rub one off. Might take awhile he is only 9...... Thanks for more ammo in my quest to the right this wrong world ....... Homer Simpson indeed

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Morten Ulrik Pedersen

Subject: Kind Regards

Yesterday evening 25-4-03: Seeing " The Last Walz" Remember: 1972-1974: A great introduktion to american folk/rock music for a danish youngster. The Band will ever live!

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Brien Sz

I saw the DC cover. Whenever I here Rock Stars open there mouth I can only think of Homer Simpson - "Ah Rock Stars, is there anything they don't know." I like the DC's but this whole "thing" is a joke. It's a joke that people responded the way they did and a bigger joke that they have to resort to quasi-intelligent marketing/promotional gimic's to try and restore their image. I mean please - Diane Sawyer interviews (now make sure you shed a tear of remorse) and this cover shot. Don't they know that if you just let the Sheeple graze, they will soon forget about it and move on to the next inane controversy.

On Iraq - knock, knock..., Hello, Pandora, ya in there. Come on out, we want to play. ( Now I know this rope I bought off that Leprechaun is gonna work).

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Pete T

Subject: CHICKS ON THE COVER

Ok, Help me if you can. I am at a complete loss as to why they posed naked on the cover of this magazine. I Am serious, I think it maybe body doubles also. What are they saying? this is so deep. It is almost like when Madonna gets all political on us and its takes me months to figure out the why and where of it all. Is it "We are just helpless"chicks" and please buy our records again"? Or is it " we are the real victims here, not all the innocent Iraq's that our nasty Presedent killed" See this is going to take me a long time to figure out, please help me...... In the words of the Late Great Frank Zappa "Shut up and play your guitars" ......................................

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Pat Brennan

Whether I agree with the Dixie Chicks or not, I do find their provocative actions a lot more interesting than most of what passes through these days. Although Big Don Rumsfeld's warning that he ain't puttin' up with no Islamic fundamentalist stuff in Iraq is an equally interesting line in the sand, so to speak.

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Kerry Schaffner

Subject: Thanks everyone!!

I just wanted to thank everyone who gave me information and guidance for my school paper a week or 2 ago. Today I received my paper back and my professor gave me an A. He also now likes me a lot because he apparently is a die hard Band fan (which I had no idea about). He talked to me after class and said my paper was a "Heart-warming and great tribute to a superb band. Great work."

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John W.

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Charlie Young

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Hank

Subject: Helpin' out around The 'hood

"O Beautiful for Spacious Skies

for Amber Waves of Grain

For Purple Mountain Majesty

Above The Fruited Plain

America America

God Shed Gods Grace on Thee

and Crown thee good

with Fine Neighborhoods

From Sea to Shining Sea....."

There's absolutely NOTHING about Iraq, Mesopotamia or The "Middle" "East" or North Korea or Cuba in those words......

(OK OK so I Changed the lyrics to make God Sexless and turned "Brotherhood" into "Neighborhood"...)

(and Yes Yes, I live in Cork City, Ireland Blah Blah Blah)

Oh well....

here goes again....All Hail Global America!

HEAR GLOBAL AMERICA!(check out My Link)

Good 'ole Shameless Capitalistic Imperialistic self-promo on my part

May you be Safe From Terrorists and Warmongers Wherever You Are

...... and May The Music of The Band show how Beautiful North America really is and Set You Free.......

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John W.

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Bill

Or, David, you could say something like, "Excuse me for staring. I'm reading those slogans."

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David Powell

Subject: this, that & the other

Donna: The song "Magnolia", not to be confused with the Dead's "Sugar Magnolia", was written by J.J. Cale. It was included on his album "Naturally", on which "Crazy Mama" and "After Midnight" also appeared.

The musical question of the day, and one I've often pondered, is: "What do you say to three naked Dixie Chicks?" -- "Are you two really sisters?" -- or "I guess y'all are from Texass." (:-)

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Bill

As JTF says, it is annoying when you're asked to shut out the view so that others can watch the latest in the Selection of Hollywood's Worst Movies that airlines appear to choose from. Then, having complied, you get to feel like a kid sneaking a peak every once in a while. Anyway, to tell you the truth, I did once see a good movie on a plane - the rock one based on the Cameron Crowe story. Has TLW ever flown, to anyone's knowledge?

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JTull Fan

Subject: John D., planes and Elton/B.Joel

John, yes, you are right about the ventilation. Perhaps they can figure a way to make those drop-down oxygen bags (I hope I never see!)coin operated for when you need some fresh air! What really bugs me too, is when you are about to fly over something breathtaking, like the Grand Canyon or the Rockies, and the stewardess instructs everyone to close the shades so that a rerun of 'Frasier'will be visible on the 5 inch drop-down tv's! Priorities!!! ELTON/JOEL- One of the top ten shows of ever been to. Highly recommended and two very complimentary artists.

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Richard

Subject: bob, John D.

bob: I believe your question is something of a red herring bob, my issues are all with the U.S. as aggressor. My criticism is directed at “War” and “Bush”. A Bush without a War is like a day without sunshine ;-) Let's move it to e-mail OK?...

John D.: Well obviously I don't know you either (though we've exchanged e-mails a few times and had several conversations in here). The comment you are referring to was a response to one of your posts expressing shame for not joining the U.S. in Iraq and you're wanting to attain a Green Card as a result. Check the archives if your memory escapes you.

OK I think I've answered everyone. I'm going to bed. It's 3 AM in China :-) rich.patterson@excite.com

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Bones

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John D

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John D

Subject: Bob Wigo & JTull Fan

Want to cover both here is that's OK. First Bob...no apology is ever needed from you. I don't know Richard; but he is the one who took shots at me for saying that we should have joined the U.S. in the recent war with Iraq. If fact he told me I should move to the U.S. if I loved it there so much. If I were 25 years younger (and this does not reflect on my feelings about Canada which I love) I probably would. People like The Band, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Dan Ackroyd, the late John Candy.....I could go on and on.......still love this country; but choose to live in the United States; which is the capitol of the world for the entertainment industry.

Jtull I'm with you on turning off the ventilation over top of me in the airplane. As you know it is a proven fact that when smoking was allowed on airplanes the air was in fact much safer. When smoking was done away with they cut down on the "clean air" ventilation in a major way to cut costs on fuel. Here's one for you and I just heard this the other day. Some people; who like ourselves know that airlines have cut back over the years are now challenging the flight team in a civilized way to please turn up the ventilation pretty please. This has not been met with a lot of smiling faces from the airline industry who are already hurting. I'm wondering in the future if someone contacts Sars or whatever after a flight.....just might go after the airline for refusing to use maximum "clean air."

We are hoping to get a reversal from the WHO on Tuesday. There hasn't been a new case in days and I believe that things are now getting under control. It was announced a few hours ago that Billy Joel and Elton John are still coming on Monday night and are not worried.

My plan is to bring Serge and Peter Viney to Toronto to stay in the same hotel room. That should make everyone feel safe :o)

Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:38:05 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.6)

Richard

Subject: John W.

John W.: Nice one :-))

Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:35:58 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

bob wigo

While it is clearly unlikely Canada will be the aggressor it is more than likely Canada could become a target. These times do not allow for a parochial point of view. Nothing arrogant about the facts Richard.

If, God forbid, you find yourself in a horrible situation as a result of a terroristic act, will you be refusing help from American rescue workers or military personnel? Just curious.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:34:15 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

John W.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 20:28:03 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.6)

Richard

Subject: bob / Sam

bob: All of my posts are an attempt to stay in good humor while addressing the issues. Hence the cartoons. I have no problem with Americans, my problems lies with the U.S. government officials who represent your interests to the world. All of the cartoons I have posted came from U.S. sources. Not Canadian. I don't think I'm out of line bringing to GB reader's attention a point of view shared by a good number of U.S. citizens that I happen to agree with. It's called “the other half of the story“. What I found arrogant about your post was the "don't come whining to us when you're in trouble" attitude that I was sensing from you. As if Canada didn't come to help the U.S. after 9/11. The fact is bob, Canada is unlikely to require U.S. military assistance to attack some other country because it is very unlikely that we would take it upon ourselves to change the regimen of some non-threat country that doesn't mirror our values.

Bayou Sam: What is this? Blood lust? A little cheap shot on your part maybe? I keep telling you I'm a nice guy ;-)

Entered at Fri Apr 25 19:39:23 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Bayou Sam

Subject: I can't help a little comment

You get him Bob. He is good at throwing a jab and then laying low for awhile.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 19:39:14 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

bob wigo

I overlooked that "wink". If it was intended as good natured, please accept my apology.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 19:36:42 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

bob wigo

Richard,

Respectfully.....what part of either post do you deem arrogant? You have taken countless cheap shots at the U.S. and now, upon challenge, you deem me arrogant.

So be it.

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Bill J.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 18:26:18 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.142)

Richard

Subject: bob

You crack me up bob. Your arrogance has no limits ; -) Thanks for the chuckle.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 17:35:25 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

JTull Fan

Subject: World/Native music for Kalervo

To answer your question, I think because those genres are so fragmented. However, I think that is a good thing because it maintains their integrity to a degree. Wor. Did you mean War? If so, then I enjoy them quite a bit. Ethnic music? I had almost too much of that growing up, ie. of the 'woopie-doopie in heaven there is no beer' polka variety!

Entered at Fri Apr 25 17:27:02 CEST 2003 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Bayou Sam

That's great news about Pete Townsend. I've been wondering what happened with that whole thing - and isn't it typical of the press to want to get what they can on someone like Pete when he's in trouble, but it's no big deal that his life is in fact, NOT going to be destroyed.

"people love it when you lose - we need dirty laundry".

Pete will probably turn out some interesting music from this experience.

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Pete T

Subject: More of my CRAP

Ben-Ben-Ben, Of course I am superior in my moral fiber. I am born and raised in New Hampshire, "LIVE FREE OR DIE" It is amazing that you site the Paula Jones case, correct me if I am wrong here Ben, Was not that the one where your Hero Bill Clinton had his bodyguards (Arkansas State Troopers) round up a young Paula Jones and pull his pants down and wave "lil Bill"in her face?????? In hopes that she would go the same way a young Monica Lewinsky went????? How many woman had to endure this perverts advances ???? The ultimate lie Ben, Cheating on ones wife. I await your answer

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Kalervo

Subject: Not just reliving 70' s again and again and again and again...

I understand that this kind of guest book is so much reliving the glory days of the Band, but I always wish that there will be more posts on other musical viewpoints, too.

Like: How come so few people are interested in Native music, and in general ethnic music, although Robbie has opened ears even here? To me for instance Spotted Eagle is perhaps my favorite musician today...I have seen many, many posts on really average whitey bands from far past (where they belong), but how many on for example Walela, Ulali, Burning Sky, or WOR which are making wonderful music TODAY?!!

The world is full of wonderful music. If you open your heart to Native music, you are going to be curious on many other areas in world music...Result: 70' s is looking more and more too exposed and boring....

Entered at Fri Apr 25 17:07:27 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

bob wigo

Richard,

Your flippant response in no way diminishes the reality of the situation. You have made several anti-American statements here and that is your right. My point is, under current world circumstances, you may well find your self in a rather tricky dilemma when some of the shit hits your own fan.

I hope for you, all Canadians and all world citizens that it doesn't come to that....But don't be so quick as to rule it out. As I said earlier, if and when the time comes, be sure to clearly identify yourself as someone who doesn't need the help of the United States.

On a lighter note...I'm not sure I would take too much comfort in the fact that you could beat up a few Frenchmen.

'Nuf said.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:40:41 CEST 2003 from (61.240.164.148)

Richard

Subject: bob

bob w: I don't think Canada will need U.S. military assistance to kick the shit out of Quebec, but thanks for the offer.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:29:45 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Amanda

I haven't listened to many songs by Gram Parsons, but I plan on hearing everything I can. I'm too much of a novice to compare the quivers at this point. I do have to say that I am a huge Jimmie Dale fan. I happened to see him perform on Austin City Limits in the early nineties and I was literally mesmerized by his voice. I ran out and purchased his new record at the time, After Awhile. I listened to it constantly and was completely blown away by him. I have almost everything he has recorded, including the new Flatlanders cd...unfortunately I don't have any of their old stuff. Jimmie Dale, for me, is right up there with Levon, Guy Clark and Bob Dylan. I can't wait for all my Flying Burrito Brothers stuff to appear in my mailbox. I am so looking forward to the journey.

Nancy: I agree, Kasey Chambers is amazing. I first noticed her video, "Am I Pretty Enough", on CMT. I love "Don't Talk Back"...I have shared that song with many of my friends. I believe she has had some vocal problems and has cancelled a few U.S. dates. I would really enjoy seeing her live.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:29:24 CEST 2003 from (216.88.34.18)

JTull Fan

Subject: George 'slept here' Washington

Bill: He was a Southerner, having been a Virginian all his life, although 'Southerner' & 'Northerner' became much more common as terms after his death, so he may have defined himself as 'Virginian'. On the OIL PRICE question, the Saudis put millions/months worth of oil stocks in tankers and set them to sea prior to the Iraqi war to guard against sabotage, and that all has to go somewhere....

Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:25:42 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Fred

Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:24:01 CEST 2003 from va-spotsy-cuda1-c5b-95.frbgva.adelphia.net (68.65.37.95)

Charlie Young

Subject: Crabby

"Crabgrass" IS his real name. His nickname is "Weed" but I believe is full legal name is Crabgrass J. Robertson-Helm. You can see why he wouldn't want to use the last name around here...

Entered at Fri Apr 25 16:15:49 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Bill

Sorry for all the leapfrogging Bill posts, folks (the previous one address to Calvin et al not being from the normal Bill), and sorrier still to bore most of you to tears with the subtleties of Canadian history. But, Fred, it can't be 'hence Confederation' because Confederation didn't include anything west of mid-Ontario (not even Fort William). Confederation was of four eastern colonies in 1867, mostly due to fear of American economic might and military/terrorist incursions (like the US-based Fenians beginning earlier in the decade). And the west, beginning with BC, was brought in for the reasons you suggest.

I think I recall being taught that the victim in Canada's first political assassination, Thomas D'Arcy McGee, was killed by one of those Fenian terrorists. I wonder if he had any songs written about him, as did our second assassinee, Pierre Laporte, following his murder in 1970. The Eye of Horus, whose one record used the god-awful pun, "they closed the door on Monsieur Laporte", even has a slight Band link in that member Myron Moskalyk was also a member of Lighthouse, who recorded a version of "The Weight".

Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:47:40 CEST 2003 from bu187.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.170.187)

Fred

John D: don't take this the wrong way, think of this post as being said in a calm, rational way.....but you have to know that the great nation of Canada as we know it today, stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific (and vice-versa) came about primarily as a way to thwart American expansion crossing into what is now Western Canada (whether this threat posed by the US' Manifest Destiny was real or perceived, that's a debate for another day), cutting of f BC from Ontario, Quebec & the Marittimes. Hence Confederation, then the building of the railroad (which was an inducement to get British Columbia to join in, instead of, perhaps, joining the USA.

Also I'd like to point out that "People who haven't uttered a mean word to each other since the War of 1812" is a bit of a fallacy. A few examples : The Fenian Raids of 1867, & this doozy: up until the 1920s our military focused it's strategy around the defense of Canada......from an American attack. Also ask people in the Canadian lumber industry their opinion regarding the USA's policy....

Still these are minor issues compared to the hatred (justified or not) directed toward the United States by a number of nations (and not all found only in the Middle East )

Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:47:38 CEST 2003 from dialup-67.27.107.156.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.27.107.156)

G-Man

Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:42:51 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

JTull Fan

Subject: John D. /SARS

John, it is the World Health Organization that has issued the warnings on Toronto. I, for one, would still travel there and not ban soccer teams from there, so I think that is an overeaction. However, when I travel to Las Vegas shortly, I will keep the air thingamujig over my seat off for the first time. Standing in a Toronto shopping mall may be reasonably safe, but the flying public is a much more condensed microculture than the mall culture, and I will take, small, reasonable measures to ensure my safety. I think too, with China covering this thing up for so long, that now people are less likely to trust any authorities on the matter. I do think it a bit of a stretch to link it to 9/11 though.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:41:29 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165)

Bill

I think people like Rosalind should be watched very, very closely. People who make such rash judgements about others without bothering to find out the whole story are much more dangerous to society. Joseph McCarthy comes to mind, as well as George Bush Jr and Sr. Did we find any chemical weapons yet? Of course the real reason for the war was to free the Iraqi people since we know Bush is a legendary humanitarian and being from Texas he could care less about oil. By the way oil prices where I live have dropped 15 cents in the last two weeks. Does anyone know why that is? Sorry everyone but I couldn't help myself. No more politics from me. Thanks for indulging.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:36:03 CEST 2003 from m124-130.on.tac.net (209.202.124.130)

Bill

Once again, the 'Bill' who posted at Fri Apr 25 02:48:44 CEST 2003 from cache-rf05.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.165) is not the Bill who has been posting here for years and years as Bill. I'm sure that this new 'Bill' knows this and is just playing games.

On another note entirely, is George Washington considered a northerner or a southerner?

Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:25:26 CEST 2003 from ppp420.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.104)

Paulg

Subject: Dave Z

Dave,

Encourage your son to play along. At 4 & 3 years of age respectively I taught my son Levon & Daughter Shannon how to play easy 1 & two finger chords. Eg. G..just play the top E string, the top two strings for F and a two string version of C.

They could play a number of little songs and sing along even at such an early age. I also picked up a small guitar in Acapulco for them to make it even easier.

Shannon has given up on music, but even now Levon still makes music. As you have read here on the site, I just went back to my guitar and this old r&r cat is still enjoying picking up my friend in the corner and playing for a half hour at a time. Sometimes more.

So play on and let your son in on the fun. You will be happy you did as life goes on and goes too fast. There may be years when its the only thing you have in common. That will always allow you to be closer to your boy. I plan to leave my Gibson G45 12 string to him someday. We trade it back and forth even now.

Dave, age has nothing to do with our love of makin music. BTW I was wise enough to tape record them playing & singing back then. My daughter recently took the cassette to school and played it back for her grade 4 class. They howled and howled...almost rolled on the floor they thought it was so funny. But as Shannon said: "it allowed them to get to know here better as a human and not just as a teacher.

shineonpaulg

Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:24:35 CEST 2003 from zorg40.revealed.net (208.243.237.40)

Mike D.

Correction about The Average White Band. It wasn't Robbie that Cher saved, it was bassist Alan Gorrie whom Cher was dating at the time. She did try and get McIntosh help and the others at the party said they would help. But once she left the party, nobody called for an ambulance as they said they would. The man whom was passing around the heroin (and not cocaine) was a man named Kenneth Moss whom was hosting this party at his house. Moss would eventually plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter and be sentenced to 120 days in jail.

Lil...Lucky you :) It's amazing when you realize just how powerful music can be. Your post remids me of Garth's statement about the healing properties of music on TLW. Billy Joel is someone I have always admired as a musician. he and Elton and Billy were recently in this area. I even had gotten a free ticket 3rd row and a backstage pass. But I couldn't go as my wife was due to give birth anyday and I wasn't about to miss that. Sounds like you had a grea time. Good for you :)

Entered at Fri Apr 25 15:18:50 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

bob wigo

John,

With all due respect to you and all Canadians, that post was a direct response to Richard and not intended in any way as a commentary on all Canadians. Nothing in my post would even infer as much. Richard has made frequent cutting remarks directed at the United States. My response was intended solely for him and was addressed as such.

Although I believe none is necessary, I will gladly offer an apology to you if, after you read that post again, you believe it was derogatory. John, no math is necessary. The post was directed to ONE Canadian.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:46:49 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

John D

Canada has 30 million people in it with a small percentage who were against the war. I for one felt we should have been there as you know. In the United States there are over 300 million people; with what I understand has about 30% against the war. What's that? 90 million Americans against Bush and the war. Canada with 30 millions people with let's say for arguments sake has 30% against. That's 3 million people. Do the math Mr. Wigo. Your problem is much worse in the U.S. than it is here. I for one Bob would have welcome signs to all Americans. Your an intelligent man Bob. Do you really believe that ALL Canadians have a problem with America? of course not! Just like I would like to believe all Americans don't hate Canadians. Again the middle east have won as they pit brother against brother. So sad.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:35:55 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

John D

They will be here on Monday night Lil? I truly admire them as musicians; but also for coming here during this ridiculous fear mongering about SARS.

I've read many articles in today's papers from "educated" people from around the world and have concluded that "fear" is much more dangerous that a few sick people (including some deaths) in a population of 5 millllllllion people I blame a lot of it on our own government at all three levels as well as our health professionals for not nipping in the bud immediately. A girl's soccer team were informed by cell phone as they were making there way to the University of Pennsylvania that they were not welcome there. Three Toronto Star executives were banned from entering the Washington Post. I only thought this kind of stuff happened in the movies.

When the "West Nile" scare started in the States in North America and later spread to Canada. No one ever stopped Americans at the border and asked them to be screened. 1984 came a few years late; but it's here.

A friend of mine and I were talking last night about everything that has happened since 9/11. The sad part is that those eastern countries knew they couldn't bring down a super power like The United States....so they thought they would poke an eye out of the country with 9/11. What's really sad is that they won. Just look to what has happened to wonderful kind people who are filled now with fear and anger. Can you blame them? Perhaps not. But those foreigners knew what they were doing and have sadly succeeded.

I hope we all come out of this soon and continue living our lives. There have been jabs in this guestbook between American and Canadians for example. People who haven't uttered a mean word to each other since the War of 1812. In a guestbook who honors a group that were 4/5th's Canadian for God's sake. These people from the east knew how to stir the waters. Please God let it end soon so that it can be the way it used to be among brothers and sisters of this continent. That's enough emotion for one day and it's only 8:27 in the morning. Geeeeeeez John get a life.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:19:12 CEST 2003 from (12.31.43.15)

bob wigo

Richard,

Given the current state of things here on earth it seems pretty likely that our neighbors to the north may well need us sometime in the not too distant future. We will be there. Make sure you are holding up your signs and passing around your cartoons when we arrive. We wouldn't want to mistake you for a friend in need.

David, thanks for the Bill Kirchen info. I wasn't certain about that tune.

Bayou, do check him out if he rolls into your town. He's a great player and seems to be a really nice guy as well. I caught him in a little club and the show was terrific.

AWB --- still a great band. Get out and see them if you can.

Lil -- I'm happy for you. Great live music will always be good medicine. Just an aside, an old friend of mine worked as Billy Joel's tour manager for several years. He has told me that Billy Joel is not only a great musician but is also one of the kindest and most generous people he has ever met. He took very good care of every one around him.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:17:41 CEST 2003 from cpe0080c6f0a856-cm014120014212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.155.164)

John D

I've just read Crabgrasses last post.

What Crabgrass (who continues to spout his personal beliefs around a fictitious name) didn't put in his post was that he will be mounting and celebrating his first annual Joe McCarthy day soon. His one true Hero.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:13:11 CEST 2003 from cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com (64.12.96.71)

PutEmUp (Jeff)

I have to differ with a innocent comment of yours. Nothing against Jimmie Dale, but Gram and him are in two different universes vocally. I believe what you are taking for similar sounding voices is the quiver. While Jimmie seems to have a constant quiver, Gram's quiver appeared in his vocals at certain times. I am not saying that Jimmie Dale's is not legitimate, nor am I saying it is an affectation. But with Gram it was part of him, not constant, and the quiver came when the quiver came. Just like the rest of his arsenal of natural emotional sounds. Jimmie Dale is lost on me. His voice just doe not hit me where it counts.

Peter (V): I was real happy to read that "Colorado" is on your cd of your all time favorite songs that you keep in your car. For a lot of reasons. Initially to find that someone else holds the song in the same regard as I, and also that it has similar emotional effects on other people as on me. But I also realized since my reading your post that this has been the first time to my knowledge that you and I have connected on anything, and that is not to go unheralded. Welcome, chum.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 14:10:38 CEST 2003 from i010-011.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.10.11)

Nancy

Hi Lil:

I too saw a very enjoyable show last night - aussie singer and guitarist Kasey Chambers. She's young (?mid twenties) but as I understand it, has been singing since she was a young kid. I went to the concert with my nearly 14 year old daughter - her first real concert and we both had a great time.

Back to Kasey Chambers - this girl has basically bridges the gap between country music and music that appeals to mainsteam young audiences, fans who can't get enough of a singer who loves Hank and writes like him at times. It seems to me that a singer today who can get kids to listen to any music that approaches that genre has an unusual talent.

Kasey writes her own songs and sings in a manner that looks like it involves no effort at all. She can manage the softest gentlest love song or belt out a great rendition of something like "Fulsom Prison Blues", which she did last night. The crowd loved her to bits and people kept yelling and calling throughout the show, and every time she could manage a thankyou to the crowd, she did, in a funny little hick sounding voice that was very appealing.

All in all, it was a show that was hard to categorise, but it was great from start to finish, and like everyone says here "if you get the chance to see this person then do it!" I understand she has done tours overseas (mainly US I think) and it appears her star is on the rise more and more. See her if you can.

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Amanda

I didn't mean that I was glad Muddy had to paint walls in order to make ends meet. I'm just glad Keith wasn't making it all up.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 12:44:45 CEST 2003 from sc-hiltonhead1c-138.hhe.adelphia.net (68.168.204.138)

Amanda

Bill: Thanks. Keith seemed to feel intensely about the story. I'm glad it's true.

Rosalind: I wasn't comparing abusive behaviors. I was just pointing out that I didn't feel like the documentary was implying that Muddy was physically abusive. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me.

I love the Dixie Chicks' music. I have every cd. I saw them play many times in Dallas, long before Natalie joined. Natalie's voice and persona really turned that band around...believe me. The scariest thing about the whole situation, IMHO, is that people can hate someone so much...just for expressing their opinion. Hate so intense that people threaten another person's life and family. The American public doesn't seem to be overly concerned about that. People wonder why we have so much violence among our children?????

Entered at Fri Apr 25 12:38:39 CEST 2003 from du-tele3-202.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.202)

Peter Viney

Average White Band – I saw them last year. Definitely go! The Dundee Horns have gone (replaced by one horn player), but you’ve still got the original bass guitar / rhythm guitar / vocals core of the band. They are still stunningly good.

Correction: Pat, you’ve got the facts wrong there. Robbie McIntosh died from an overdose at a Hollywood party, but Cher is remembered as fighting tirelessly to save him, not for being the source of the powder.

Pete T. I like to see lines like ALL politicians suck. This is the main slogan of the Plague on Both Your Houses Non-Party. You can’t join it because then it would be a political organization, so by definition, it would suck. Which is why it’s a non-party.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 12:05:36 CEST 2003 from mcha-ag051.taconic.net (205.231.148.242)

Lil

Subject: BJ !! (..and EJ.. get your minds out of the gutter :-)

(All you Billy Joel haters can now scroll on by....)

I saw an amazing show last night! Billy Joel and Elton John.. 4 hours..no warm-up band, no intermission. Just music, music, and music. I can't tell you how impressive it was to see these 2 legends, together onstage. I very rarely go to large venues, but this was really special for me and well worth the exorbitant amount of money I payed for the tickets. If you like the music of these 2 guys, do yourselves a favor and go see them. I promise you won't be disappointed.
I've spent the better part of this past month or so feeling very down because of personal matters, and it's good to know that despite it all.. music still has the power to make me feel better.

Have a good day everyone. Off to work.....

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rosalind

Pike You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit you on the ass!

When I first heard this story about Townsend down-loading child pornography, the very first thing that came to my mind were some lyrics off "Tommy" "Down with the bed clothes up with the nite-shirt" This guy always had unusual violent tendencies - childhood disturbance in action. (I won't mention the other thing we found out about him, but it has been my experience that two are connected.) I would ask Pete why he down-loaded PICTURES instead of written information on the subject. There is only one reason why somebody LOOKS at child pornography. His explanation doesn't hold up. I think his children should be interviewed, his past investigated if possible, and he should be watched very very closely.

Amanda - If you don't feel that mentally and emotionally abusing someone makes you a monster, you haven't been around the block. I hope you never go there.

Entered at Fri Apr 25 09:15:21 CEST 2003 from cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107)

Ben Pike

Pete T, gosh, um, some might say your posistion implys a certain, ah, easy assumption of moral superiority on your part. I've never posted anything, anywhere about Clinton I couldn't, and didn't, back up with facts. Clearly it's easier for you to imagine, oh Bobby Kennedy and Nixon were the same(the first having a dark side, the second BEING a dark side) and I leave you to your playpen. I would only add that when I type things into the guestbook I don't get to hear the sound of my own voice.

Ah that liberal media: a major player in the Clinton Sex Witchhunt cops a plea on child pornography, no AP story, no pundit will touch it(Joe Conason on Salon being the exception). Well, the major media carryed water for the nutball right all through the Impeachment, guess it's embarrasing now.

On them Chicks: I went to school with a formor Dixie Chick (there have been five in all, I believe, in the history of the group). I used to hear there pre-major label releases, and chunks of inner group gossip from a friend who stayed in touch with the lady in question(a real peach, by the way). So for me, politics aside, this is real strange!

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Donna

I am hoping that this post will work, since my computer grems refuse to leave. I preview my post, correct my typo's, and then press Submit, still it post the Previewed post, typo's and all. Argh! Just a question on the "Hot Rod Lincoln" song. If my memory serves me well, I remember Pat Traver's (sp?) singing this song as well? He was not on my top list of favorites, but he also sang a song called "Magnolia, You Sweet Thing", and I just fell in love with that song. I was wondering if anyone knows if this is the same song mentioned earlier?

Rick S.: You are correct, G-Man also called Ruby, Ruby Diamond, The Rubster, Louise, as in Thelma and Louise! :) Looking forward to seeing you and Pat, at Frankie Ahart's, campout shindig for the Doylestown show in June!

Ruby Red: Please e-mail me at - JBMDirect at aol.com. Thank you for your understanding and no need to apologize, you had no way of knowing!

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brown eyed girl

It is the critical spirit that creates."

All the rest is an illusion...

Prof Ray P....You need a guest book all your own....Thankfully you are from another planet.....It's good to know that some Band fans actually visit and explore other lands of various political leanings (not just beau....ti....ful beaches) to make their own assessments..;-D

My philosophy....TAKE THE BEST FROM ALL PEOPLES OF THE WORLD..

Robbie: Your past just follows you around, it doesn't go away.

.....That instinct appeared most notably when he decided in the mid-seventies that The Band, which seemed to be at the peak of its success, was actually finished.

Only Robertson (Robbie) had seen that the stage was crumbling under the Band's kind of music, as if he had stepped into his own version of the shaking tent used by northern shamans to divine where the hunting was good. But he was too fatigued, and too implicated in the vanishing of the old herd, to write anything but film music for more than a decade.

Robbie: The reserve was where I was introduced to music, but without that other side of my heritage, the side that gives someone the drive and ambition to want to be an entertainer, or to be in the music business, I don't know how I would have done it. I mean, it's not a coincidence that the entertainment business is 75-per-cent Jewish people.

Roy Buchanan, a superb blues guitarist Hawkins brought with him from Arkansas, initiated Robbie into the mysteries of what Buchanan called "controlled harmonics," a technique of integrating notes from the high overtones into a melodic line. Controlled harmonics became a signature part of Robbie's stinging, aphoristic style.

Those of you who saw Robbie with The Band.....as one of my students would say....SWEET.....

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Dave Z

I know it would be bad strategy... but a part of me hopes a Bush spokesman gets on the tube tomorrow... and tells folks to leave the Dixie Chicks alone... because we have bigger problems...

Thnx for the recommendation Paul G... I myself ordered a Dylan songbook from the Dylan site... I goof around almost everyday with one of my almost-5 year olds... and was a little disappointed when I asked a local music store about lessons for him... and they suggested waiting until he's late-6 or 7 yrs old... so I guess we will continue our fiddling... He was having a ball when we watched the PBS Muddy together...

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Crabgrass

Subject: Dixie Chicks Tour

I have received word that the Dixie Chicks scheduled tour of the U.S. has been officially cancelled and replaced with a revised schedule more international in scope. Below are listed some of the currently confirmed dates:

July 4 (Kick-off Concert) Shabbazz Mosque - Chicago, Illinois

July 14-17 Paris Opera House - Paris, France

July 19-21 Grunplatz Garden - Munich, Germany

July 23-25 Jihad Amphitheatre - Damascus, Syria

July 26-27 Meccadome - Mecca, Saudi Arabia

(The Dixie Chicks will also be appearing as special musical guests at the Victoria's Burquas Fashion Extravaganza in Mecca on July 28.)

August 2-5 Blue Mosque - Istanbul, Turkey

August 7-8 Teheran University - Teheran, Iran

August 9-10 Martyrdome - Karbala, Iraq
(Subject to US Gov't. approval)

Opening act for all shows will be Steve Earle. Additional dates to be added as they become confirmed.

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Calvin

This was a hot topic a few months ago so I though I'd mention it. But a good buddy of mine who is a major Who fan tells me that the English Police are not going to prosecute Pete because after investigating his claims, the hard drive of his computer and other things they found his story credible enough to simply warn him not to do it again. If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt my friend, I think the press has been very negligent not reporting it after blaring headlines of Pete as a pedophile. Can anyone add to this story?

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Pat Brennan

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Pat Brennan

The Dixie Chicks invented themselves, marketed themselves, managed themselves, toured and played like crazy, made a ballsy move and replaced their lead singer, and finally broke through big with great albums and interesting/fun/provocative videos. They play great and sing great. Even in a truth seeking flurry of stylish cynicism, dismissing them as a show biz construct is beyond wrong.

Bill O'Reilly had two Playboy bunnies on last night describing their support for the war. Tight t-shirts and plastic breasts, in case you're curious. One of them almost broke down when she said how upset she was to see people continue to protest the war after it had started. I paraphrase: "It makes me so upset. These soldiers are in Iraq protecting their right to protest." Bill of course smiled; heck, I would have too. But then he said something like, "I'm with ya." I thought it was a ludicrous argument: when fighting a war protecting the right to protest, there shall be no protesting lest we upset Playboy bunnies. I guess Bill didn't get it. Personally, I think large sacks of saline implanted in women's breasts do as much damage to the American female psyche as any terrorist attack.

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Calvin

But I saw ? and the Mysterians a couple of months ago at the Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland, Ohio. They rocked the place pretty good in my humble opinion.

I was just given free tickets to the Average White Band this coming Sunday, anybody ever seem them live? Is it worth going?

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Robert

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Crabgrass

Subject: Cuba

Hey, "People's Paradise" supporters and Cuban cigar afficianados - your silence on the recent firing squad executions is deafening.

It is interesting to note that Castro's Cuba deems people trying to flee that totalitarian hell hole to be "terrorists." Sure, the U.S. should lift the embargo and start trading with these SOBs - Ha!!

Click above link and read article if you missed it the first time 'round.

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Rick S.

Subject: What's In A Name?

Donna, doesn't G-Man refer to her as Ruby Rose, Queen of Diamonds?

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Charlie Young

Subject: Bill Kirchen & Danny Gatton

Bill Kirchen is a great electric guitarist and rockabilly road warrior, but I was surprised when I saw him play some wonderful acoustic Dylan stuff at a Bob Dylan 60th birthday concert in the DC area in May of 2001. He's a nice guy, too.

Another Telecaster Master who used to treat DC audiences to his genius, the late Danny Gatton, is featured on the cover of the new issue of "Vintage Guitar." Thirty years ago today I was inspired to write my first concert review for the college newspaper after seeing Gatton play and it's nice to know that a major reissue program of his recordings is in the works.

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paulg

Subject: Guitar for Dummies

Seldom do I endorse anything...but with getting back into playing guitar...even thinking of buying a 6 string as my 12 string is great for rythmm but my fingers work easier on the 6 string. Anyway....'Guitar for Dummies' by Mark Philips and John Chappell has been real helpful in bringing me back to my playing days. It really is a complete book and having the CD to play along with helps out as well.

If course the Library part of this sight is super as well and I really appreciate the folks on The GB for their help and encouragement.

Plus I am doing something that I really love and Music makes me Happy! shineonpaulg

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Paul Godfrey

Subject: Richard Drums

In conversation with Levon about Richard's skills on the drum he said he really loved the way Richard could "play so loose!" When I remember him playing and think back while listening to the song I just start rockin my shoulders from side to side...yep it is real 'loose' or as Van Morrison might say 'real real gone'

shineonpaulg

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Bayou Sam

'course that's Levon on "The Weight". Thanks for the thought anyway ? - and by the way, when are you and the Mysterians getting back together?

Bob Wigo = I'd love to catch a Bill Kirchen show. I mentioned this in here ages ago, but I have a great live CD by Kirchen called "Hot Rod Lincoln Live". It has a version of HRL with the most amazing guitar solo on it. You'd have to hear it to believe it. He get's to the lyric "the Caddy pulled over and let me go by...." - then he starts shouting out names of people that let him go by and plays a snippet of the person, or groups music. Just to name a few = Hendrix, Flat & Scruggs, Beatles, Marty Robbins, Sex Pistols. You really have to hear it to believe it. I'm attempting a link above that'll show you the cd......I don't think Kirchen wrote the tune though. Somewhere on an old vinyl compilation album I have, there is a version of HRL by a guy named Charlie Ryan that I'm pretty sure pre-dates Cody by a number of years.

So now back to drumming. Richard did indeed to a fabulous job on "Rag Mama Rag". In fact, he really rose to the occasion when Levon split and SOMEONE had to play the skins. As I recall Levon even expressed how impressed he was with how Richard had taken to the drums in his absence.

wipeout1960 at yahoo.com

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Long Distance Operator

Tull, that post ROCKED. You hit it on the screws, my friend. Kudos.

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Bill

Amanda, Keith Richards was not hallucinating. Marshall Chess indeed paid Muddy to do work around Chess studios (this included painting) in 1964 because his sales had plummeted with black audiences (I guess Motown was taking over) and the white record buying public wasn't buying the blues either. It's documented on page 202 of "Muddy Waters- the Mojo Man" by Sandra B. Tooze.

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Sally

Subject: Conan

Hey, The White Stripes are on Conan all week! Very interesting.

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Paul Godfrey

Subject: Bayou Sam & Bob...Drums????

Hi Guys,

Richard played drums on Rag Mama Rag & Levon to my knowledge always played drums on 'The Weight'

shineonpaulg

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Pete T

Subject: Ben

Ben, I think you once again miss my point, as you do most points because you are very close minded, and only enjoy the sound of your own voice. Here is my point in plain English. All politicans suck, that goes for Your buddy and Hero Bill (i am not a crook) Clinton. To your enemy George W. Bush. Understand that Ben? I dont like any of them. Castro, Kennedy. Nixon, Goldwater, Hillary, The list of these creeps is long. Nature of the beast. Got it? The trouble with you is you only see what you want to see, I see all Ben.... I am a seeker of truth, unlike the folks sitting on one fence or the other, both sides are wrong, both sides are right and I am ALWAYS WRONG. Always Ben. Something I bet you have never said in your life........

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Curtis

Many more years of slavery under the Yankee flag, and how many slaves did George Washington own? Only about one or two hundred.

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Chris D.

Subject: Just ain't right!

We must of treated Levon so good in Philly last week, he's coming back for me!! Well, at least I hope that's how it is! We can't get enough of him around here! And me with plans I can't get out of! Damned!! More notice next time Butch if possible. Gotta catch "The Last Hombres" one of these days. I'm sure I'll feel the groove though from across the river!!

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Ben Pike

Golly Pete T, wish I could be up on the issues like you. "Clinton Still Lying?"...examples please? Note the "Do you still beat your wife?" of the phrasing.

I suppose it won't reach such "up on the facts" types, but a small breaking story today "A prominent Republican fund-rasier who once said formor President Clinton was a "lawbreaker and a terrible example to our nation's young people" pleaded guilty yesterday in Baltimore Circuit Court to production of child pornography."

It's not quite as bad as it sounds, he was just picking up 15 year old runaways for little photo shoots. Perhaps more surprising to those who never looked into the people who were after Clinton at any cost.

Richard Delgaudio, the sleezo in question, raised millions for repubs like Ollie North and spearheaded the whole Paula Jones press junket that would lead to the most pointless constitutional crisis we will ever endure and placed a bunch of rich hoods crying "honor and dignity" in the White House. Tit for tatters, read it and weep.

It should be also noted, that the conservative Delgaudio used every possible legal means to try and weasel out of the beef, including comparing the cops to Nazis. He says he's real sorry now though. Again, if the likes of basemanlee had ever looked into these guys, the true uglyness of the whole "he brought it on himself" slop might have sunk in.

I heard Dylan is only playing the piano in his shows now.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: This-N-That

You know what I don't get, why, if all these things are true, (and I have absolutely no reason to believe they're not) about all these poiticians and public officials, does everybody spend so much time *BITCHING ABOUT IT*? We put them there. My life is pretty good. If I don't work, my life goes down the tubes, so I work. Being "blue callar" so it goes, I tend to work more and make more money when the Democrats are in office but all in all I wouldn't trade places with any other country in the world. I'm blessed to have been born in the USA. So the politicians are crooks and my union is run by the mob ... who cares, as long as my standard of living doesn't decline or I get laid off ... Then I'm gonna bitch ... So now to Bush ... I'M BITCHIN!!!! ...

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Pete T

Subject: More Bad Politics

I must have missed that Kennedy press release. Was that the same one where they bought the election by being in bed with the Mob in Chi-town and handing out 50 dollar bills in West Virginia? Bay of Pigs? Cuban Missile crisis? What I find tedious is people not knowing real history. That goes for both sides of this stupid fence. George Bush SR. ran the Iran-Contra deal. Reagan Lied, Bush Lied, Clinton is still lying, Johnson was a total crook, the only one in recent history that was half way honest was Jimmy Carter, who was so ineffectual as a president you could write whole books on it. JFK got us deeper involved in Veitnam. None of these people are honest. not one, find me an honest politican and I will show you the best Con Man in the game. OK, Dixie Chicks are as much a part of the music biz machine as anyone ever was in the history of music, to think they are not IS WRONG. Now the machine that they are a part of is spitting them out. They are fighting back by being on the cover of entertainment weekly , air brushed naked with things written all over them. Can somebody enlighten me as to why they are doing this? I dont get it. I think they should fight for themselves, I just understand the naked part.......

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Ray Pence

John, it doesn't bother me that you disagree with the Dixie Chicks but I'm surprised you didn't pick up on the point of the words they're "wearing." Those are epithets, positive and negative, that they've been called since their great sin of saying they didn't love the president and his war. And your calling them "sluts" doesn't reflect well on you for any number of reasons. You could have chosen other names, but since these "traitors" are women, you have to fall back on the tradition of invalidating them by accusing them of sexual and moral pollution. Pathetic.

The Chicks look great, sound great, and I'm glad to see that there are people in the public eye offering antidotes to the poison of George Bush.

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Pat Brennan

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Pat Brennan

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?

I know Levon often gets credit for it, and not to take anything away from his contributions to The Band, but wasn't it actually Richard Manuel playing drums on "The Weight"?

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David Powell

Keith Richards' hairdo reminded me of an expression we have down here in the South referring to body piercing -- "that boy looks like he fell into the tackle box". In the case of Mr. Richards, it looks as if he came out of it with a couple of fishing lures entangled in his hair (:-) "That's a colourful Rapala you got there son!" By the way -- when fishing in Georgia, we keep the sushi in the bait box.

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John W.

Try link again

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John W.

Subject: Dixie Chicks Nude

They have really topped themselves now. Posing nude with words like Saddam's Angels and Traitors painted on their bodies. Not only unpatriotic, but unabashed sluts as well. Gotta love it!

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Amanda

I just saw your post...it made me laugh. I was trying to figure out Keith's hairdo myself. I know there was a key woven in somehow. I also liked his story about walking in to Chess Records the first time and seeing Muddy on a ladder painting. The Chess guy said that was a total Keith hallucination...Muddy was always dressed to the nines and never would have been on a ladder painting walls.

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Amanda

Could there possibly be three new Burrito Deluxe members instead of just two? What happened to Tommy Spurlock and Willie Watson? Does anyone out there have the info?

PutEmUp (Jeff): Thanks for all the great stuff on The Flying Burrito Brothers. I am so intrigued by their music and story. I ordered Hot Burritos! The Flying Burrito Bros. Anthology 1969-1972, as you suggested. I also ordered Hickory Wind:The Life and Times of Gram Parsons and the book written by Parson's manager...I can't remember his name or the title...the fella who stole Gram's body and burned it in the desert. KAY WAS RIGHT WHEN SHE SAID THAT TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION. Anyway, I got both books for a great price and I am excited. Do you think Gram Parson's singing voice sounds just a little like Jimmie Dale Gilmore's?

BTW One of the best and most informative Gram Parsons websites is linked to The Last Hombres' website...Levon connections everywhere. Oh and I love that Dixie Hummingbirds song...true southern gospel.

Susan: Thanks for letting me know about Return of Grievous Angel. I'm going to pick that up next and of course Grievous Angel, because I've never given it a listen. Wow...this is exciting...new, old stuff...just the way I like it.

Rosalind: I watched the Muddy Waters show last night and I don't remember hearing that he was abusive (physically). The really young girlfriend called him mean, but she was refering to how he jumped off the stage when he noticed another man attempting to dance with her. He did run around on his wife, which is emotionally and mentally abusive. I got the impression that Lillian (the other girlfriend and I may be getting the name wrong) lost custody of the children by the state and the children were put in foster homes. The documentary didn't say how long it was before Muddy gained custody of the children. I'm assuming that it might have been difficult for him because he wasn't married to Lillian and paternity might have been an issue. I thought the show basically stayed with the music and just tossed in juicy bits of personal stuff. I know there is a fantastic book about him...maybe we should get a copy.

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Bill

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Pete T

Subject: JFK/pehr

I am guessing you saw the movie version of PT 109. Not a lot of fact there. JFK Never uttered a sentence that was not written for him. History is a funny thing,especially when your Gangster father has hired the writers.......

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Elizabeth

Subject: Muddy Waters - American Masters

Bones, there was not any mention of Levon, The Band or The Last Waltz in the Muddy Waters American Masters.

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Dave Z

Bones: No mention of Band, Levon or even TLW clips... some interview snipits from lots of folks including Bonnie Raitt, Charlie Musselwhite, Bob Margolin, one of the Chess guys and Muddy's various family members... It was supposed to be based on the recent book which I have to remember to get... I enjoyed it but wanted soooo much more than could be handled in just one hour... the most interesting thing for me was trying to figure out what Keef Richards had in his hair during his interview parts... Lot's of nice video and still shots of Muddy though...

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David Powell

Subject: Hot Rod Lincoln

Bob Wigo: Although "Hot Rod Lincoln" has certainly become the signature song of the talented Bill Kirchen, the tune pre-dates Commander Cody. It was written by Charlie Ryan & W.S. Stevenson. A version recorded by Mr. Ryan & the Timberline Riders charted in 1959. The following year, a version recorded by Johnny Bond also made the Billboard charts.

The American fascination with fast cars & semi-trucks has certainly inspired a whole genre of country, rockabilly & rock 'n roll songs over the years. "Hot Rod Lincoln" was actually an "answer" song to an earlier hit entitled "Hot Rod Race", written by George Wilson. The latter, & its variations, was recorded by many different artists. Arkie Shibley & His Mountain Dew Boys, Jimmie Dolan, Tiny Hill, and Red Foley all released versions around the same time in 1950.

Commander Cody & His Lost Planet Airmen (with included Bill Kirchen) souped-up & turbocharged the song with their version, which charted in 1972. In recent years, guitarist Bill Kirchen has altered the song somewhat as the centerpiece of his live act. His variation has him passing cars driven by various artists, from Johnny Cash to the Rolling Stones to more contemporary ones. As the Hot Rod Lincoln passes each succeeding car, Mr. Kirchen plays signature guitar licks associated with those being passed. For example: as he speeds by Roy Orbison, he plays the distinctive notes from "Pretty Woman". As the Lincoln gains speed, so does Mr. Kirchen's leads. I would have to say that his current version is the best one yet.

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Richard

Subject: bob w

which country is that, bob?

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Pehr

JFK actually fought in the war, actually risked his life to save somebody and was tough enough to survive and was able to answer questions directly and even manage to complete sentences, thoughts and read/write.

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sadavid

Subject: A Change is Gonna Come

Bill's mention of Finley/Bell on "Change" reminded me of the new version I heard yesterday from the new album "Peace Songs" which is "a joint initiative between BMG Canada Inc., Sony Music Canada, and War Child Canada," according to the website [link]. I hasten to mention that I don't have the CD, and never will (I have a very strong Bryan Adams allergy and have to be careful). Perhaps it was the no-fi of the under-the-cupboard kitchen radio, but I found it really awful. Full of all the vocal swoops instead of emotion that the divas have been using for years now. My theory is, if you sing the actual notes of the melody first, then you can embellish where it's called for. If you embellish everything, you're expressing nothing.

Anyway, check out the link. I can't wait to hear Avril Lavigne doing "Knockin' On Heaven's Door." Oooh!

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RUBY RED

Subject: Donna

I am very sorry I did not know there was another Ruby, from now on I am Ruby Red. I love this guest book and thanks for welcoming me.

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uliff

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bob wigo

Subject: Cartoon Corners

Just sitting back in hope of someone posting a cartoon that will sum this whole thing up. You know, how rotten our government is compared to the rest. Did I understand someone to say there is a statue of John Lennon in Cuba? If so, the poor man is definitely spinning in his box.

Bayou, you are right on. There are any number of master strokes from Levon Helm. I was listening to Islands on the way to work this morning and really enjoyed "Livin' In A Dream". Levon plays some terrific and very subtle fills in that tune...not to mention his amazing vocal gift for making a song sound so natural.

Sorry to say I was unable to make the BB's show in Philly this past Saturday. I was, however, blessed the next evening to see the "King of Diesel-billy" Bill Kirchen. Bill is a GREAT Tele player and quite a character. I believe he penned "Hot Rod Lincoln" during his time with Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen. If he stops in your town check out the show. Very cool stuff. There's a link above if you are interested.

Please return now to your regularly scheduled trashing of the greatest country on the planet and testimonials regarding the beauty of Castro's Cuba.

One more note: Thanks to Bruce Springsteen for hitting the mark dead on once again. He clearly "gets it".

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JTull Fan

Subject: Uliff

Uliff, reread my post. I was using it as an example. Nothing I ever seriously contemplated. But I do think it is valid as an example. You see, it may be obvious to YOU that this would offend people, and it is obvious to ME as well. Conversely, to disagree with the war and President Bush publicly, and to state so for X, Y, Z reasons is one thing. When emotionally inflammatory statements are made, comparing Bush to Hitler, etc. etc., then yes, this is still protected free speach, but the speaker should not be surprised at an equally emotionally response. Maines of the Dixie Chicks admitted she spoke out of frustration and under stress. Well, her audience was listening under the same conditions! That's all. It's important to remember that the 1st amendment was not written to protect popular thought; few will criticize you for publicly supporting Mr. Rogers, or Pizza, or a litter of puppies. It's the unpopular stuff it protects, but that protection is only your right to say it, not for public approval of it. So, short of violence, threats, blatant discrimination, and things in that realm, you kind of have to own it once it leaves your mouth. Just like what you say at the office Christmas party after 3 hours of open bar. The next day may be a looooong one. :)

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uliff

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Bones

Was Levon or the Band mentioned or shown on the recent Muddy Waters PBS special?

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Woodlark

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PETER (23), PAT (22), LIL (Sweet Little Sixteen), SUPRATIK (3)!

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uliff

Subject: you can't be serious

J tull The comparison of displaying a banner which to millions of us represents a clebration of the enslavement of African Americans in clear view of an African American Neighbor to publicly disagreeing with the policies of this administration is, of course, ludicrous. Please tell me you didn't mean that.

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Bayou Sam

.....maybe you have to be a drummer to notice - maybe not. That cool little fill Levon does just after he sings "feeling 'bout half past dead". You know the one - ba-da-da-da-bop. If it were suddenly gone, everyone would notice. It's such a great "FEEL" type fill that just keeps the song gliding along the way it was born to glide along. It won't get Levon on the cover of Modern Drummer like a Neil Pert fill will - but we don't care. We know the truth about Levon's greatness at the "best seat in the house".

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JTull Fan

Subject: Ben, you kind of make my point

People who burn books are no more representative of mainstream conservativism than the majority of these protestors are representative of mainstream liberalism. Both extremes are merely over-hyped and overindulged micro-minorities overhyped by the media, so the rest of the 99% of us at some point should avoid fueling their ambitions as much as possible. And I'll bet real money no one is angrier at Maines than her two bandmates! 'eh, shut up already!'. It was a dumb comment. She paid the price for it. Time to leave her alone.

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Donna

Subject: Clarifacation

I just wanted to clarify something for friend Ruby who has posted in here several times over the years. Ruby from MA, has had no access to a computer because of work demands. The new poster "RUBY" from NY is not the same person. This has caused some confusion, with her friends who were wondering why she didn't call them about these show's. "RUBY", who has seen Levon recently, "Hi!" I was wondering if you could use "RUBY" and possible Red? Or something that would differentiate you from the Ruby we all know? I hope you have a wonderful time this weekend seeing Levon in Philly! Please post about the show? One reason I miss the old email addresses posted, as I would have been able to emailed you personally about this! Thanks, and it is so nice to see you posting in here!

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Pete T

Subject: Charlie

Ronald Reagan , A Friggin actor, and not very good at it. I think is what i sort of said. And what of JFK? What exactly was he? King of Camalot? Dixie Chicks? Very over rated, very little talent, another music biz package, marketed in a way that people think they are real. Cuba? always has been a bruital dictatorship. When did Castro get the JFK movie treatment? I missed when he became a good guy.Ben Pike, where do I start? Never mind,I have to leave the house soon and now I am afraid.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Vilification by profiteers

I'm telling you all, (to drag this out just a bit more) this whole issue of artists being publicly "spanked" has more to do with a handful of DJ's and radio "Personalities" trying to stir up some controversy and create a media circus in order to further their own twisted image than it does about the actual political beliefs of the general public.

Hell the "general public" is basicly clueless when it comes to politics and international affairs. Christ, tey keep electing these people don't they? ...

You get what you pay for ...

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Calvin

You make some good points Jtull, ones I certainly agree with. However, Maines has complained about the threatening letters she has received, to my knowledge she hasnt complained about any lack of sales or airplay for her albums. So I dont think she is making it an issue as much as others have. But for the record, anytime I see or here of a group of people having a book burning\CD Burning because of someones political belief-it is a bad thing.

And franklt it is being made into way more than it is. For all the "fallout" from her comments the the Dixie Chicks album is No. 1 on the Billboard country chart this morning, and has been for 19 consecutive weeks. The US tour they are about to kick off is sold out in 59 of 65 venues and the 6 that arent are expected to sell out. THey play 20,000 arenas these girls-the "fallout" has been minimal and way overhyped.

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Ben Pike

Of course what we are talking about is the twisted, mind numbing hypocrisy of the Amereican right, which calls itself "Conservative" but is all too liberal in the indulgence it grants itself in squelching free debate. Look, if the Dixie Chicks voting for Dems gets you bent out of shape enough that you don't like their music anymore, O.K., but rallies where they smash there records like something out of Nazi Germany? Is a conservative in America still capable of shame? This could only happen in an America that indulges talentless slobs like Charlie Daniels as he uses our enlisted Men and Women as human sheilds against the onslaught of career rot.

Robert Scheer of the L.A. Times is one of the handful of national pundits who has been flat out anti Bush and anti War. Incredibly, fascist egomaniac Bill O'Reilly ahs called on his viewers to boycott the Times until the fire him. This is the sick, sick voice of right wing America, which bullies others to support wars fought on the pretext of bringing people rights they don't respect in their own country. In the short and long run, of course, they just cheat themselves. Like I'm going to deny myself the pleasure of early Steely Dan because Skunk Baxter is a political chump.

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JTull Fan

Subject: John D.

John, what I said about 'consequences' was not a veiled threat and I hope you didn't take it that way. What I was trying to say is that by excercising our right to free speech, some people forget that the people listening have the same right as well, and we put ourselves on the line, in terms of reputation, popularity etc. everytime we do so. Our First Amendment rights guarantee against governmental retaliation or persecution of our speech and self-expression, but it in no way assures that our neighbors will be as accepting of us afterwards. For example, I am active in local historical circles in Richmond and have done Civil War tours for the National Park Service. I happen to know that Memorial Day was actually started as a commemoration for Confederate veterans. Perhaps I should fly a Confederate flag (benignly)on Memorial Day to honor the original (and local) roots of this national holiday. But I won't. I have several black neighbors with whom I enjoy a friendly relationship with. We're not close friends, but we always say nice 'hellos' and waive as we pass each other. Were I to hang a Confederate flag, even for benign reasons, I am sure I would raise some questions at best; at worse make them uncomfortable in their own neighborhood. So, even though to do so is my protected free speech, I've made a willing choice not to excercise it. Call it discretion. This in no way erodes my free speech rights. At the same time, if I were to fly the flag and suddenly get cold or dirty looks from my neighbors, should I claim my rights are being violated or should I just accept this as a result of the excercise of my rights? Now if they burned my house down in retaliation, THAT would be a violation of my rights, but like in grade school, priviledges are always spoiled by the fools! So, yes, the Dixie Chicks and the Sarandon's of the world had every right to say what they did, and I continue to defend their right to do so. But they should also accept the 'consequences', provided they are in the reasonable realm of public dissapproval, declining sales etc. Threats of violence, etc., would clearly cross that line.

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John D

Jtull I ask you this question as one who is truly interested. It doesn't come out of cynicism. When you wrote the following sentence, "But freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom of consequences." Are you sure you didn't mean "But freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom of retaliation." That's what I'm seeing when it comes to the Dixie Chicks etc. A group by the way I care nothing about. Seriously I have never seen so many angry people; because others excercise their thoughts. Is it JTull because one cannot seperate the war from 9/11? That's all I can figure out. I saw an article in an American magazine the other day that said that if you were not a blind patriot these days then you were basically screwed in your own country. I'm just asking here Jtull and I have always enjoyed your thoughts on music and politics etc.

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JTull Fan

Subject: professions

Carter was a peanut farmer, Truman a haberdasher (clothing store/hat salesman)JFK was created by pappa Joe's image machine (hmmm, he OWNED a studio that hired the actors...)

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Bill

BEG: If you'd attended the Brooks/Rockin' Revelators CD release rather than the Jeffries show, you'd've seen Dom Troiano in the audience grooving to Richard Bell playing piano behind John Finley singing the most moving version of "A Change Is Gonna Come" that I can imagine.

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Calvin

I keep telling myself no more non cultural posts, but I keep getting pulled back in.

John, I have serious problems with calling Jimmie the Greek and Al Campanis vistims of liberal boycotts and blacklists, first off I dont even know their politics, 2cd there was no boycott-both were fired by their companies within 24 hours of their statements, and they were attacked from both sides not just liberals. If a man goes on national TV and says blacks might not have the mental capacity to be baseball managers, it isnt a liberal\conservative issue-it is simply an issue of stupidity. To paint it as political is just silly.

I played Shine at one of my stores today and one of the youngsters to work for me told me it was "strange music." I just kind of found that funny.

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JTull

Subject: Crabgrass' Cuba link

I was going to post that but then thought better since things were quiet out here, but since they started again I'm glad you did it! It never ceases to amazes me how certain 'enlightened' individuals out here can keep extolling the virtues of that island yet make nary a 'peep' when its' people are oppressed in this fashion. It seems hypocritical of this crowd to defend protest against the U.S. on North AMerican soil, or attend 'free Peltier' demonstrations, but when they have the chance to make a REAL difference, ie. while walking past a John Lennon statue in Cuba, to think this little breadcrumb of civility makes up for decades of political repression. Try waiving a 'free elections!' banner in front of that statue! DIXIE CHICKS, SARANDON et al: sure free speech, and they have every right to say what they did. But freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom of consequences. It was also tasteless to make some of these statements in foreign countries. Treason? Of course not. Buy their music? I might; I don't buy artist's work solely based on their politics no more than I care about the politics of the kid making my sandwich at Subway. Too an extent... People DID boycott companies doing business in South Africa, and artists like Paul Simon were lambasted for recording there (Graceland)so their IS a precedent. THE BAND playing for CARTER & CLINTON: What's wrong with that? Neither was any more extreme to the left than Reagan/Bush are to the right. Sorry for all you guys who want to pigeonhole any of them, but they were either moderate left or moderate right and thank god we have not seen the true extreme of either.

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Richard

Subject: The Real Story

"The Land of the Free" is so much more civilized. Click above for the "Real Story".

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Crabgrass

Subject: "The People's Paradise" aka Cuba aka "Castroland"

Click above link for interesting news story from the "People's Paradise."

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Mud

I think that's a fused sentence Roz ...

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rosalind

The music might have been real good but finding out that this cat was a abusive monster who paraded his young and beautiful mistresses around in front of his not so healthy wife, a woman who had taken God knows what from this guy already, and then finding out that when Ol' Mud go a little sad on his own he decided to pull his own baby cildren out of the Aid Society homes they were planted in wasn't. Reminds me of the Julian Lennon story.

put-em-up

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Washington- Lee

... &#$*@%!*@+=` ... and that goes for Jeb Stuart too ...

Stuart kinda looks like a young Garth don't he;

http://www.us-civilwar.com/graphics/jeb.jpg

Check it out ...

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brown eyed girl

And that Daniel Lanois.....(Only for us left of centre Canadians).....He included an exclusive bonus track "RED"....to his latest "Shine".........My fave colour too.....but we know what it's really about....Don't we??......;-D...I have Daniel taped from Canadian Music Week.....but nope....not sharing....not worth the hassle in here....Still remembering Daniel and Brian Blade at the Elmocambo.....Still...

"Cousin" Paul....B.B. McGoons was in the Pearcy House, right?......Oh well, yeah know who I really would like to see again perform.....RICHARD BELL.....He's got it all going on.....He dropped in at Jeff Healey's for Levon's show so maybe he'll appear at Garth's show next month.....Just maybe....Oh....and I really want to see Dom Troiano again.....He played "A Change Is Gonna Come" at one of the Hawk Tributes.....Just like Robbie's "Crazy Love"...BEAU...TI..FUL.........

Peter Stone Brown: I have the last recorded interview that Marley did.....but I would love to read your interview.....:-D

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John D

I thought my post was clear. I wasn't talking about a personal print for Jan; which would be a nice gesture for all the hard word Jan does here; but an "example" of one to show others on the site. Jan does this sort of thing all the time.

The man hasn't asked to "market" his product on this site....it was my idea. I was filled with enthusiasm after buying it. Others on this site have already shown interest in purchasing it.

The reason for the word sample is that people cannot copy it and use it (for whatever reason). Everyone else who has ever submitted photos on this site from Serge to Elliott Landy to Paul Fleming have done so in the past and I never noticed you were upset about it then. Crabgrass for someone who loves this music and is a great photographer, I have been seeing a real "anger" in you lately. Relax crabby.....it's OK.

BTW I once remember a guy by the name of John D who got slammed in this guestbook for pointing out when Paul Fleming was the first to use the "Sample" across his paintings. I was reminded they are the work of the artist and if Jan didn't want to put in on the site he didn't have to.

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Brien Sz

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Pat Brennan

Tiny, be sure to include that book where I extol Jeb Stuart and the magazine article where I compliment Robert E. Lee.

Charlie, it's because we both love the Rascals and we both love Virginia.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Pat Brennan

... That's it Pat ... I'm boycotting your music and I'm gonna burn all your books ...

Damn com-symp, pinko, publican ... #!$(^!*% ...

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Charlie Young

John D: I'm still waiting for the Rosanne Cash report!

Pat B: I agree with your points as usual.

Pete T: just remember that the godhead of the current crop of Republicans--Ronald Reagan--was "just a friggin' actor..."

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Pat Brennan

It's pretty ugly, isn't it?

Here's something even scarier. The Islamic fundamentalist state of Iraq.

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Sally

Subject: The White Stripes

I thought they were good,original,I like that. The guy kind of reminds me of someone I know,[only 30 yrs .younger] must be the hat.Ha Ha..check out my link

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Sally

Subject: The Hoochie Coochie Man

Wow, The best night of T.V in a long time,first I watched Late night w/ Conan @ 7 p.m on comedy central,naturally, & The White Stripes were on..cool. Coming up next was The Muddy Waters Special!! How can a girl be so lucky!!

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Mikey Lenahan

Subject: JP McCAFFREY--MATT ANGUS THING

Hey JP, I couldn't agree with you more.. the MATT ANGUS THING is a great band from the musical town of Clinton nj. Matt the lead singer for the band is also a very BIG BAND FAN. Last year he put out a cd called FACE THE DAY with Levon on drums for one song. His new cd should be out sometime this year and it is even better..... I recommend you check out The Black Potatoe Fest this year, which is held in clinton. Last year Levon and the Barnburners were on the bill and the year before that the Jim Weider Band played. peace

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Dave Z

Well, at least we now know the R&R HOF is more credible than the baseball one... btw, I feel the Band's music making political/social value statements with every sound... or there lack of... even today...

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Tiny Monster

Subject: "Living In A Political World"

... Oh, I agree with you whole heartedly Pete. I don't buy a Dixie Chicks CD to hear Natalies political views ... Ain't gonna happen. Not that most people check in here to hear *MY* political views either ... so I digress ...
But when it comes to The Band and politics, I'm not so sure your totally correct when you say;

"You never heard The Band get into this kind of crap, they were to busy playing music."

I might want to consider where they came from and how they got to where they did, before making a statement like that ... see "My link"

And weren't songs like, "King Harvest" and "Shoot Out In China Town" or even "I Shall Be Released" and "The Night They Drove Ole Dixie Down", at least a little political? ... Should I go on ?

Let's take another look at that Discography ...

"Life Is A Carnival" ...

Tell me Richard ... Is this game poker? ...

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Crabgrass

Subject: Moondog Print

I think Jan is entitled to one without SAMPLE written across it since it's being marketed on this site! If the seller is too cheap to send him one we should all chip in and buy him one!!

BTW for those who are broke like me the absolutely FREE Moondog Matinee Screensaver/Wallpaper is still available - just e-mail me. Yagi painting of the original 5 restored also still availble.

djy15@hotmail.com

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John D

I received my "Moondog Matinee" print from Skip Rooney two days ago. It is magnificent. The color is so absolutely rich I couldn't believe it. I opted for the 16"x24" with 2" white border around image - $125.00 Unframed [ Framed size 23"x30"] as this print always meant a lot to me. Mr. Rooney sir........thank for a meticulous job. It is currently being framed. Check it out folks. Skip you should send a picture of the print to Jan with a "Sample" etched across it to show folks how great it is.

Its professionally printed on High Resolution 80lb stock paper with color retention of around 25+ years [ 40+ with UV Glass]

Dimensions - 11"x17" with 1" white border surrounding image - $45.00 US Dollars

Matted size - 15"x21" Double Archival Matting [ Ready to Frame]/ $70.00 US Dollars

Framed Size - 18"x 24" Mahogany or Walnut finish Hardwood Moulding with Double Archival Matting as above with paper backing and hardware and glass - $135.00 US Dollars

We ship worldwide [ outside North America just the print is best for shipping ]

There will also be a larger High End Print available. It will be a Giclee [Iris]Print /[Printed upon Request]

Dimentions - 16"x24" with 2" white border around image - $125.00 Unframed [ Framed size 23"x30"]

You can order by e-mail or call 800 283 3344

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Pete T

Subject: Tiny

There is no question that the powers that be want them squashed, but if there was a buck in it for them they would be back in favor soon enough. I guess my big problem with all of this is these entertainers using their fame and creating a bully pulpit. You never heard The Band get into this kind of crap, they were to busy playing music. I always resent people like Sting, Susan Surandon, Tim Robbins and Sean Penn telling the rest of us what is right or wrong. They have a tendency of being just a little too self important and a little high and mighty for the rest of us. I think most of these people live in a bubble. They don't live like the rest of us but they think their opinions are much more meaningful than the rest of us. Lets face facts, they are friggin Actors and musicians. And some not even that good at it. Thanks for hearing me out (I need to get out of the house more, it was a long winter up here)

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Clear Channel ... & the like ...

You hit the nail right on the head Charlie. Clear Channel and a couple other corp. giants, own most (if not all) of the radio stations you listed to. Clear Channel alone owns 1200 stations. Most of these stations compete with one another and the average radio listener has no idea. Add to that, the fact that so called, "Indies", are paying something like $5000.00 to $7000.00 per play, for a new song and it's not hard to see, what choke-hold these few Corperations have on the music industry ...

... DISCUSS ...

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Pete T

Subject: Charlie

Damn, More good points. I think it is to easy and simplistic though to lay this all off on Bush or Corp. America bailing on the DC's. I think it is much bigger than that. I think it when someone does or says things in war time and it pisses off a vast amount of people I think Corp. America is the first to bugg out over things, the second it hits the bottom line they are gone like the wind. But I think it stems from the people (consumer) Look at what happened to John Lennon with the Jesus comment. That was close to ruining the beatles. What about Jane Fonda and what she did? That was Treason and her life was never the same. never. I love Bruce and his music, he is a very nice man from what I am told, but with 700 mill in the bank it may be a little easier to be so brave. I don't care for his politics, but I love his music. I don't care much for the Dixie Chicks music and even less for their politics. Like I said before, beware before you enter the snake pit,you might get bit

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Charlie Young

Subject: Radio, Radio & Rosanne Cash (From the Ridiculous to the Sublime)

The story that got very little attention in the whole Natalie Maines furor is that the corporate radio giant that sponsored the anti-Dixie Chicks rally in Louisiana has strong ties to the Bush family (surprise, surprise). Springsteen knows the music business inside out and he's one of the few artists who can call his own shots and maintain an amazing level of integrity--and his music (and the Dixie Chicks) will stand years after all the jingoistic, crass country crap is tossed in landfills.

Another artist who transcends the country genre is the remarkable Rosanne Cash and I'm dying to hear about John D's "intimate" evening with her last night. I was very happy just hearing her play with her band and getting her to sign a couple of her books two weeks ago...

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John W.

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Pete T

Subject: Ray

You make a valid point. I am not sure there is that conspiracy thing going on with this. I think they pissed off alot of people with what they said. I also think that when this kind of thing happens people look for the nearest tree to hang them from, which of course is not really very fair. That happens in politics all the time, Trent Lott, etc ... So when "entertainers" want to enter the evil brutal world of politics then they should know what the cost of this is. There is always a cost for freedom, always Freedom, like politics is always a double edge sword

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Charlie Young

Subject: Moondog, Felice & Da Boss...

Ah--today I finally found a replacement copy of the "Moondog Matinee" poster at a great used record and CD shop in Roanoke, Virginia called Safe as Milk Records. I even got a mint-condition copy of of the album to boot (the poster was apparently never removed from the record sleeve), and the whole package only set me back ten bucks. The store owner wouldn't sell me the Clarence White-era promo piece record divider for The Byrds that she had in the window, but you can't win 'em all.

The big accomplishment listed for Felice Bryant in the local paper down here in bluegrass and country music territory was that she helped pen the song "Rocky Top." The obituary also mentioned that she co-wrote songs that were recorded by everyone from Dean Martin and Tony Bennett to Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead.

Ray Pence: thank you for passing along that great quote from Bruce Springsteen. I wish he would run for president and clean up the economic and environmental disaster that grows worse in this country every day under the current oil barons running this country. I have four friends who have lost their jobs in the last four months, but I guess that's what they get for not working in the military-industrial complex...

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Ray Pence

you're right, no one has to buy the DC's music, but you don't address what Springsteen says about their being banned from radio networks and about the conformism enforced by government and corporations...thinking before one speaks is and always has been a good idea, having to police one's speech to satisfy the powers that be is another...as Abe Lincoln said you can't fool all the people all of the time and I think it's good to see that some artists aren't afraid to show they're not fooled...

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Dixie Chicks ...

You know, I feel the same way about The Dixie Chicks. The mistake they made (or that Natalie made) was to basically bite the hand that feeds them. Most of (but not all of) the fan base for The Chicks is in the Midwest, Redneck, Republican, Texas, yada-yada ... Bush backers. The other thing that got them was their timing. That was mostly coincidence. When the press has a slow moment and one or two key people decide to fan a fire, to sell air time, it can and usually does, spread like wild fire. I hope they survive this unfair criticism. I think they are a talented and unique bunch. My guess is that, short of an invite to The White House and an endorsement and forgiving note from Bush himself. It is going to have some lasting consequences.

For what it's worth, I'll still buy their music. Even though I'm not one who spends much on music for myself. And not just as a gesture of support. I just like their music. And my wife would kill me if she thought I felt otherwise ...

$00.02 ...

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Peter Viney

Jeff- ‘Colorado’ from the Flying Burrito Brothers 3rd album is on my ‘best ever’ car CD (along with The Weight, Willing, And It Stoned Me and other favourites).

Yazooman – apologies. I should have written ‘Bangladeshi’ – I was thrown by the Bengali restaurant near my home! I see the word every day. On which I read somewhere that the majority of so-called “Indian” restaurants in Britain are more accurately “Bengali”, just as the majority of “Chinese” restaurants are actually Cantonese. Jackson Browne gave a long stage spiel about how much he enjoyed Bournemouth because it has more good Indian restaurants than Los Angeles. I thought he was joking, but a recent visitor from California said exactly the same.

Also, I’m very pleased that you call me ‘Peter’. It’s interesting that in the UK and USA we seek to be seen as ‘younger’ while in many other socities (including also Italy and much of the Far East) honour is attached to seniority / advancing years. It’s getting time for me to move somewhere that values grey hair rather than youth, though!

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Pete T

Subject: Bruce and the Dixie Chicks

The Dixie Chicks are free to express their feelings about the war and so does Bruce. However, we as Americans have the right NOT to buy their music or support their art. freedom works both ways......Think before you speak

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Ray Pence

Subject: Springsteen Speaks Out

...on his website, for the Dixie Chicks. Right on, Bruce...

The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves. To me, they're terrific American artists expressing American values by using their American right to free speech. For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un-American.

The pressure coming from the government and big business to enforce conformity of thought concerning the war and politics goes against everything that this country is about - namely freedom. Right now, we are supposedly fighting to create freedom in Iraq, at the same time that some are trying to intimidate and punish people for using that same freedom here at home.

I don't know what happens next, but I do want to add my voice to those who think that the Dixie Chicks are getting a raw deal, and an un-American one to boot. I send them my support.

Bruce Springsteen

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Bill

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David Powell

Thinking about some of the great songs written by Felice & Boudleaux Bryant, I've always been struck by the clarity of the lyrics. Like Hemmingway's prose, what appears to be simple on the surface actually captures a depth of beauty. Always concise, absent extraneous words, the Bryants painted crystal-clear images that captured the heart of the matter. This conciseness in their lyrics also benefited the singers who performed the songs, allowing them plenty of breathing room to inject emotion into their interpretation.

Close your eyes & imagine the voices of Gram Parsons & Emmylou Harris as they sang:
"I really learned a lot
Really learned a lot
Love is like a stove
Burns you when it's hot
Love hurts, mmm mmm, love hurts"

Or Rick Danko, as he sang:
"The sun is out, the sky is blue
There's not a cloud to spoil the view
But it's raining, raining in my heart"

Or the youthful exuberance of the Everly Brothers as they sang:
"We've both been sound asleep
Wake up little Suzie and weep
The movie's over, it's four o'clock
And we're in trouble deep
Wake up, little Suzie"

Or the playfulness, as John Prine & Iris Dement sang:
"If anyone could find the joy
That true love brings a girl and boy
We could
We could, you and I"

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Bill

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Bones

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Lil

Bill: The tune "Love Hurts".. was the original line actually "Love is like a _stove_??". Heheh.. that made me laugh. I think I've only heard the "flame" version.

Have a good day everyone. Peace Jan.

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mary (bear)

Subject: Dave Z.

Dave I enjoyed the picture. So far as I know, my son is well. After all, no news in this case is good news. I believe he is still in Basra or Un Nasirhyia area. His battalion are the ones who discovered the 121 bunkers of ammunition. Last I heard from MSNBC news, his unit was still cataloging it all. They were dissappointed they couldn't be in Baghdad from the reports, but this mother was grateful because at first it looked as though they were going to meet with much resistance. Thanks to all who have emailed and inquired here in the GB about my son. I truly appreciate it. Now once more, I am going to ask if anyone has heard of The Clarks. They were once a local college band here in Pittsburgh, but seem to have been touring throughout the US. Great band. Well everyone have a good day now.

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PutEmUp (Jeff)

Anyway, without having frequent use of my older music, and visual access and confirmation,of course I get a little out of touch. About a year ago someone, I think it was bassmanlee, implored me to get my cds out of the boxes. Good advice, probably will be a while till it happens. But I am hungry for a Burrito. May have to take some out of the freezer.

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Pat Brennan

Supratik, I commend your manners when addressing the GB's senior posters.

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Shawn

Hello, I have an old master tape in my hands that I'm burning to cd. I'm a Neil Young completist and I found a guy who had the Cleveland 8/31/74 CSNY show. But he also taped the opening act which was The Band. If anyone is interested contact via e-mail. Which is newcomer@netusa1.net Take care, Shawn

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Tony

Subject: behind the music: robbie robertson

Last night I was on my way to an open mic night
in chicago and I flipped on WXRT 93.1
(a great radio station btw that last week hosted a celebration of Tom Petty's five show stint in CHI-town, capping it with a live broadcast of the last show).
Anyway, they play great music. So last night about 9:30 or so,
I turn it on and I hear that Behind the Music narrator's voice
and he's talking about The Band and mostly Robbie.
Of course I drove around for another half hour listening to the rest.

I've never seen it televised on VH1. Has anyone else?

They schmaltzed it up a bit as they do,
talking about the feud between Robbie and Levon
and how it's all fueled by money and drug abuse.
I caught the last half which usually focuses on the downfall,
if you now the outline for the show
(I got a little teary-eyed when they talked about Richard's death)
Some great sound bytes from Robbie as it was about him and not The Band
(Levon declined to comment for the show)
So I finally get to the open mic night
and what do I hear someone playing as I order my beer,
but "I Shall be Released"
All in all it was a great night

"But I swearrr I see my reflection...."

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Woodlark

Thanks for your messages from India. Good luck!

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Dave tpg

I hope I can catch one of these shows out west.

Does anyone know who replaced Charlie Sexton?

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Dave Z

Any chance I can get a Canadian GBer who plans on taping the Garth show on the 22nd to make a copy for me?... I am taping the PBS Muddy Waters special tonight and can return the favor by making a copy... just email me at dlzuckATzucks.com if interested...

I finally got Road Runner and hooked my Mac up in a wireless network... so now things are fast... and I can be outside too... Yeah!!!!

Mary (bear): See above link for a pix of my pilot bro-in-law... nicknamed Spalding... I hope your son is doing well... I loved your Thanksgiving story... I am hoping the BBs will detour through the Carolinas this summer so I can catch up with my family and possibly take them to a show...

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David Powell

Subject: Rick Roberts & Dino

As the story goes, it was Rick Roberts & Chris Hillman who first noticed Emmylou Harris performing in a small club in Washington, D.C. Mr. Hillman soon thereafter brought Gram Parsons to see her, and the rest, as they say, is history.

After leaving the Hawks, Fred Carter, Jr. became a session guitarist & songwriter based in Nashville. Dean Martin recorded a couple of Mr. Carter's songs, who later named his daughter after Mr. Martin. Years later, Deana Carter brought honor to the heritage of both her namesakes by becoming a sucessful singer herself.

Speaking of names -- Dean Martin made a series of films in which he played a James Bond-like character named Matt Helm. Acting opposite of Mr. Martin is these films were such starlets as Stella Stevens, Elke Sommer, Ann Margaret, Tina Louise and Sharon Tate. Although his movie portrayal of the secret agent was done as a farcical spoof, the character of Mr. Helm derived from a series of paperback thrillers written by Donald Hamilton.

So it seems, Fred Carter has crossed paths with two very different Mr. Helms in his illustrious career (:-)

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Mike D.

Lastly, their 1971 live album "Last Of The Red Hot Burritos" contains a cover of "Ain't That A Lot Of Love". Vastly different from the cut The Band did on Islands.

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Mike D.

The cd you are referring to is called "Hot Burritos", which compiles the first three Burritos albums in their entirety, as well as a rare sing (The Train Song) and highlights from the other three albums (Last Of The Red Hot Burritos, Close Up The Honky Tonks and Sleepless Nights). The highlight for me is a recording of "Here Tonight" from the sessions for "The Flying Burrito Brothers", which includes a cameo by Gene Clark. A great set to have. A shame their isn't an official live set available from the Gram era of The Burritos.

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Mike D.

Richie Furay's song "Crazy Eyes" was written about Gram, that's true. However, the song was released before Gram's death. Also, on the same Poco album is a cover of Gram's "Brass Buttons".

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RUBY

Subject: SILK CITY

Silk City in Philly with Levon and The Hombres, I am there, I missed Boston cause of work , I will not miss this. John Cass I owe you the beer now. Hope to see all you Philly people This Saturday......... Red

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Paul Godfrey

Subject: Viney-Microphones

Peter, my first experience with "real live" music came in Cuba about 15 or 20 years ago. We were staying at a nice resort and every day at noon they had 4 guitars and a singer entertain for a half hour.

Because we are of the electronic age I was amazed at the very well balanced performance. The vocalist rose above the guitars and the players sang harmony on the chorus. Even so each guitar and each voice could be heard seperately and still beautifully balanced.

It was quite an experience and one I enjoyed as a way of looking back to an age when when we had no form of electronic amplification.

Even though it was amplified it reminded me of Levon & Rick D at the Elmo in Toronto ...just the two of them singing and playing as if they were right in your living room playing for a private party.

Turns out the electronic generation has its limitations.

shineonpaulg

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Charlie Young

Subject: Muddy Waters

PBS is airing a documentary about the life of Muddy Waters this week. Check your local listings. Does this stuff air internationally?

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Yazooman

Crabby.....Bombay has now indeed become Mumbai now as Calcutta has become Kolkata (eeks!!). These are the new Indianised names of course but I prefer the old ones. I guess the politicians have nothing better to do.

Peter....its interesting to note that in Britain "Pakistanis, Indians and Bengalis are called Asians." I guess that should be Bangladeshi instead of Bengalis since I am an Indian and a Bengali. :))

Actually Bengalis are the people of Bangladesh (erstwhile East bengal)as well as of the Indian state of West Bengal (like me). Bangladeshi Bengalis are predominantly Muslims while those in India are largely Hindus (like Saurav Ganguly, the Indian cricket captain). This resulted due to the British partition of Bengal on religious lines in 1905 and then later in 1947. Which is why my family, a Hindu one, that was originally settled in East Bengal had to migrate to Calcutta in West Bengal in 1947 after the second partition. (The films of Ritwik Ghatak brilliantly show the effect of the migration on the common people who had to leave everything behind.)

P.S. I hope its okay to call you Peter,....its kinda uncomfortable for me because in India its improper to call somebody who is pretty senior to oneself by his first name. What we do is attach the suffix da (or di for females) after the names of seniors if we call them by first name. Da stands for dada (elder brother) and di for didi (elder sister). But I guess Peter da, Crabby da, Calvin da and Lil di would be rather far-fetched here... ;)

PPS. And thanx for all the fish to Jan da. ;))

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Yazooman

Subject: abt me

Hi all,

My two years at business school are over now and I am finally joining the corporate world (Where's my Armani?? ;) ). During placements I managed to dupe a company that is supposed to be Asia's largest software services firm and my job will be interacting with clients and selling the company services. I just keep on hoping that the company manages to send me to the US for a stint so that I can manage to see Levon play. :)

On the other side, this also means that my 24 hour access to the net is now gone. Which in turn implies that my visits to this site will come down from a rather healthy number of times a day to a more modest number. I hope to be visiting at least daily though. However this also means no more downloading from gdlive.com and other similar websites. :((

But then I figure....its time I took out the message of The Band's music to other greener pastures. After influencing a good number of people in my friend circle and in my undergraduate and graduate colleges, the Indian corporate world's is next in line to be enlightened. Wish me luck !!:D

Of course....thanks to The Band and its music for seeing me through all the good times and the bad.

YAZOO..... aka supratik

PS. Just picked up The Band's Live at Loreley VCD from a store here, I have no idea how it got there...but I guess I deserved something after all this !!

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PutEmUp (Jeff)

Last time I saw Rick, Roberts that is, the "Byrds" run at the Lone Star in NY back in 85. Gene Clark, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, Jon York, Sneaky Pete, Michael Clarke (possibly with a broken foot and all, remember that from one of the last times I saw him),Blondie Chaplin, Rick Roberts, am I leaving anyone out? How is that for 6 voices to hear at one time? Greg Harris might of been on this one, not sure. I know he showed up at the Lone Star that year for something.

Rick Roberts' 2 solo albums from the 70s are masterpieces, but especially the first. "Windmills" i believe it is called. Somebody "borrowed"it on me.

Anyone out there have a clues as to what he is up to? My bet is he is in Colorado somewhere.

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Peter Viney

Talk of the Flying Burrito Bros – I always say that the Rick Roberts version I saw had about the best stage sound I ever heard – until the last couple of years, when Paul Simon, Jackson Browne and James Taylor all had impeccable stage sound. Paul Simon was louder than the last two, who like the Burritos had small stage amps mic’d into the PA. Stage sound is something that not enough bands pay attention to. Simon had sound engineers analysing the venues the year before the tour and feeding the info into a computer. That’s going a bit far, but so often bands get it wrong for the hall.

The problem is that a hall sounds different with an audience in, and usually the bodies absorb and deaden the sound so you need more volume in the show than soundchecking. BUT this doesn’t work in the best halls. I did lights at the Winter Gardens in Bournemouth, which was that rarity an accidentally near-perfect hall. The BBC used it for live symphony broadcasts for years. I’m not sure about a pin dropping, but the stage manager was fond of demonstrating the acoustic by striking a match on stage. The result was that you didn’t need a lot of volume to fill it, and if bands poured in too much volume it bounced back all over them and the sound was horrible. The worst-sounding band I ever heard in my life was Santana who shoved their full stadium PA at eleven on the volume control in this concert hall and were therefore a total mess (and failed to realize or correct, which is worse).

Van Morrison expressed concern about stage sound a couple of years back and he did some shows in smaller halls with no mics on the drum kit. The theory being that a drummer can easily play loud enough for 1000 people in a decent hall, so you bring down the rest of the instruments to the unamplified drum sound rather than the opposite. Back to circa 1964 before people started mic’ing the drums. I don’t think it worked too well, because a couple of months later he had a mic on the drums – but only one. We’re so used to amplification of the kit that it sounds weak without it. You need to have drum mics anyway so that the sound engineer can control every instrument. Judging by Steve Gadd’s complex sound on the Paul Simon tour he had a lot of mics on the kit- the most impressive drummer I’ve heard on stage.

I am told that the early 70s Band had legendary stage sound and never played too loud for the hall. I only saw them in a stadium, so can’t judge. I twice saw the 90s Band play too loud for the hall – quite badly so in Vancouver, even though the show was magic. So, the Flying Burrito Brothers, in my experience, had a better stage sound in 1971 than anything I saw until Paul Simon in 2001.

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pubcrawler

Subject: philly show

great site! i see on wxpn's website levon and the "last hombres" are at silk city in philly this sat(26th). guess there's a lot of levon to go around. i've been to the club,there's a great diner next store.food and music,yahoo

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Charlie Young

Subject: Movie Music

Crabby: I wanted to go see "A Mighty Wind" last night but it wasn't playing in the Virginia college town (Charlottesville) where I spent the night. I wound up catching "Holes," a brilliant flick based on Louis Sachar's book of the same name. The good Dr. John turns up over the closing credits to add just the right musical finishing touch to a film that is an imaginative departure from the formulaic dreck that most American movies are these days...

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Holes

Well I slept in the holler
of a dry creek bed
and I tore out the buckets
from a red Corvette, tore out the buckets from a red Corvette
Lionel and Dave and the Butcher made three
you got to meet me by the knuckles of the skinnybone tree
with the strings of a Washburn
stretched like a clothes line
you know me and that mule scrambled right through the hole

I'm gonna whittle you into kindlin'
Black Crow 16 shells from a thirty-ought-six
whittle you into kindlin'
Black Crow 16 shells from a thirty-ought-six

Tom Waits

Sometimes ya just gotta ...

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Crabgrass' Movie Review

Subject: A Mighty Wind

Go see it immediately! (And don't leave when the credits start to roll - you'll miss some very funny songs.)

[Highest Rating - ////////// 10 Crabgrass blades!!]

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Russ

Subject: Nazareth -

Wow.... Nazareth! - I saw them in the early 80's in Poughkeepsie, and bought the live S'Nazz record back then, only to find that Java Blues was on it too. A live version they did during their acoustic set. See: http://theband.hiof.no/albums/snaz.html - Cool. Russ!

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Cousin Paul

Subject: Bill/ Nazareth

Funny how Nazereth has hit this site. Years back, while hanging out with Dan McCafferty, Darrell Sweet, Pete Agnew and Manny Charlton(Nazereth),over a beverage and some of Canada's best(hence the leaf on our flag),I was told by Dan that they got the name of their band from The Weight. I guess the boy's influenced many a musician. More to come,maybe. Peace,Love, Paul

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rosalind

Speakin' of "flat", where's my back-up singer ... Hit it kid!

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Ed Voci

Subject: David Powell, Oxford America, Gourds

David Powell: Thanks for the tip on the Oxford America Southern music issue. First, Hiatt, now this. You are the Tipmeister and I bow to your prowess. The Southern music issue of OA is a must, especially this one cuz its got Gourds. (And, OA is not provincial; I remember two years ago when it included a nice piece on, of all people, Dean Martin. btw,I have the LP "Dean Martin: The Knashville Sessions"). I have alerted the Gourds listers and they are out scowering the countryside as we speak.

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Bill

"Love Hurts" is a great song. But kudos must go to the bright soul (Manny Charlton?) who changed 'stove' to 'flame'. Whenever I hear the Nazareth version, I think of one of my classmates, who, in discussing it when it was a hit, said, "You mean the one where the guy sounds like he's got a pickle up his ass?" About right.

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David Powell

I also forgot -- Rick Danko sang a wonderful version of "Raining in My Heart" with the Ringo Starr All-Star Band.

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Fallen Angel

Just got back from the city. I really, really enjoyed the show at the North Star Cafe. Levon was clearly happy playing with people who felt the same way he did about music. I was actually so happy for him that I shed a tear or two. The only negative thing about the whole show was that Levon looked so thin! He needs a couple of banana shakes. Butch, see if you can convince him to have a couple a week. Levon is still the best drummer, bar none!!!

Take care and be well

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John D

Am looking forward to seeing Rosanne Cash & husband/producer John Leventhal tonight for an intimate small concert for media while she is in town doing promo for her new CD. She does not tour very often. It's kind of rare to see her perform live at any time. As she told me in an interview.....the kids come first.

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David Powell

I'll be listening to the Everly Brothers this evening. Also John Prine & Iris Dement singing "We Could", a song that Felice Bryant wrote on her own. Gram Parsons of course recorded a great version of Mr. Bryant's "Love Hurts" with Emmylou. The songs that Felice & Boudleaux Bryant penned transcend time.

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John D

Cancer is not a subject one wants to get confused about; but Jeff is right. It was Mike fighting Cancer not Jim. Sorry Ray G for the misinformation. I got mixed up with my guitar players.

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PutEmUp (Jeff)

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John D

Her husband, Boudleaux, who died in 1987, and she wrote or co-wrote 800 recorded songs cut by more than 500 vocalists. Their songs have accounted for approximately 500 million in sales. Some of their other big hits include the Everlys' "Wake Up Little Susie," and "Raining in My Heart," recorded by Buddy Holly.

Others who recorded songs by the Bryants included Elvis Presley, the Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Grateful Dead, The Beach Boys, Tony Bennett, Simon & Garfunkel, Ray Charles, Roy Orbison and Sarah Vaughan.

Alone, Boudleaux Bryant also wrote "All I Have to Do Is Dream" and "Devoted to You," both recorded by the Everly Brothers, and "Love Hurts," recorded by Orbison. Felice Bryant was born in Milwaukee. She sang on the radio as a child but her true passion was poetry.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Emmylou / Gram Parsons

Didn't notice any mention of Emmylou's touching song for Gram Parsons "Boulder To Birmingham" which is still a mainstay of her repertoire. Click above link for words.

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Bones

You also mentioned the song Robbie wrote with Maria McKee. She has just released a new cd after a long time (1996's Life Is Sweet). The new release is titled High Dive and it is out today I believe.

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JP McCaffrey

Subject: Music & The Matt Angus Thing...

For starters, I am a HUGE fan of The Band! I just recently (Friday, April 18th, 2003) went to see The Matt Angus Thing at the Stanhope House in New Jersey, which was sold out, but I had no idea what to expect from the show. I did know that I would get to see some great live music, however, I wasn't expecting to see an 11-piece band. They started out with an instrumental and into a few ballads, which pretty much left open what was about to come... Midway through their set, The Matt Angus Thing invited up to the stage a three-piece horn section and three back-up vocalists. Only a couple songs later they break out into 'The Weight' playing along with The Harlem Gospel Choir and the three-piece horn section. TRULY AMAZING! The harmonization and instrumentals were tight. The crowd jumped up and started to dance and sing along with The Thing... After The Weight, they played one of their originals and then broke out into 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down', also with the Harlem Gospel Choir and the three-piece horn section. Again, TRULY AMAZING! Overall, I really enjoyed their show and cannot wait to see them again. The energy coming off the stage that evening was inspiring and invigorating… PeacE!

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socool

keep it rolling!=)

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PutEmUp (Jeff)

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David Powell

Subject: Grievous Angels

"'Cause I headed West to grow up with the country
Across those prairies with the waves of grain
And I saw my devil, and I saw my deep blue sea
And I thought about a calico bonnet from Cheyenne to Tennesee."

"Burrito Deluxe" ironically is also the title of the second Flying Burrito Brothers album. Following in the bootsteps of their classic debut, "Gilded Palace of Sin", it was recorded at a time when the group was going through many distracting changes. Gram Parsons was slipping away into what could politely be called "his leaving Los Angeles period". Bassist Chris Etheridge had departed and Chris Hillman took over the bass, as Bernie Leadon came on board on guitar & other instruments. In addition, Mr. Leadon added much needed creative imput, taking up some of the slack as Mr. Parsons drifted away. Michael Clarke had taken over on drums, replacing the session drummers from the first record. Guest musicians Leon Russell, on piano, and Byron Berline, on fiddle, also appeared on the album.

For me, the highlights of "Burrito Deluxe" are the two Parsons/Hillman collaborations, "High Fashion Queen" and "Down In The Churchyard", along with the covers of "Wild Horses" and Dylan's "If You Gotta Go".

Bassmanlee: The Byrd's "Farther Along" features a great vocal by Clarence White on Larry Murray's "Bugler". This classic country song recounts the sad story of a boy and his departed dog. Themewise -- it don't get better than this, unless you're singing about your mama, a cheatin' lover, drinkin', trucks or trains, or a combination of all of the above (:-)

Clarence White was killed by a drunk driver, not long before Gram Parsons died at the age of 26 from a combination of too many other bad things. Mr. Parsons wrote a tribute to Clarence White, "In My Hour of Darkness", that appeared on his last album. Here are a few lines that say it all:

"Another young man safely strummed his silver string guitar
And played to people everywhere, some say he was a star
But he was just a country boy, his simple songs confess
And the music he had in him, so very few possess."

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Ray G

Subject: John D

John,

Sorry to hear the bad news about Jim Eppard. I was listening to Levon and the Crowmatix Souvenir earlier in the week and was really nocked out by his playing. Of particular intrest was his guitar work on Rag Mamma Rag. He did a great job of covering the horn parts as well as the guitar parts, very cool. I really like the Crows and think that he's their definitve guitar guy, hope he wins the fight!

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Bill

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mary (bear)

Subject: Levon

So sorry I missed Levons show in Philly Friday night...Hey Butch, when are you all going to make it back to Pittsburgh, I hope soon. Anyway, did get to see a show on Saturday night at The Palace Theatre by The Clarks....I just love their music. Has anybody else heard of them. I really love them, but no one beats The Band in my book. Have a good day now.

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bassmanlee

The combined GP/Grevious Angel disk is still in print, in stock at both BMG and Amazon and is THE recommended starting place for Gram's work. It's buyer beware on some of the later Burrito packages as eventually there were few if any original members. By 'Back To The Sweethearts of the Rodeo' (a safe pass) it's basically John Beland and Gib Gilbeau admittedly trying for country radio success with some pretty bland material. That being said, I still enjoyed 'California Jukebox' which is redeemed by the presence of Sneeky Pete and some well-chosen guests.

Just now getting my first taste of the Gourd's via their official unofficial site, and downloading a complete show to get the whole experience. What's played so far makes me see what the fuss might be about. Hey any band that covers Roger Miller ('Dang Me') can't be all bad!

Spring has brought the flea markets and tag sales back in bloom, and the vinyl hunt resumes. Harry Nilson kept popping up, serendipitously after picking up a tribute CD last week. Also took a chance on a possibly salvageable copy of the Byrd's Farther Along (needs a good wash) thanks to the recommendation of some of you good folks. On an entirely different note, King Crimson's new disk 'The Power To Believe' gets a big thumbs up for striking a balance between old-style Krim mystery and grandeur and the sometimes off-putting instrumental pyrotechnics of some of their recent projects. A fine return to form if you're at all a fan of theirs. Oh, and finally picked up CD of Storyville, liking it better than I remembered, and much better than RR. And what's in your player?

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Susan

Subject: Oxford American

David P, did you receive your subscription copy? I still don't have mine, and usually subscriptions arrive before the news-stand copies are out. I may have to go out and hunt down a news-stand copy so I can be sure to get one. I hope the new Oxford American in Little Rock improves their fulfillment practices.

Yes, Amanada, if you don't have Gram Parsons' Grievous Angel run right out and get it. Pick up Return of the Grievous Angel while you're at it. This is a disk of other people doing Gram's songs, and was my favorite listening for a year or so. Emmy Lou produced it and it introduced me to the Mavricks, with the voice of Raul Malo. Great stuff.

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David Powell

Subject: Oxford American Southern Music Issue / The Gourds

The 2003 edition of the Oxford American Southern Music issue just hit the newsstands. Last year the magazine almost went under & there was no 2002 music issue, but thankfully, the magazine's been revived & is back with a vengeance.

For it's annual issue devoted to all types of Southern Music, you get a free CD of songs chosen by the magazine's staff along with articles profiling the various performing artists, as well as other pieces devoted to music.

Ed Voci will be glad to hear that "El Paso", by the Gourds, is included on the CD compilation, with a nice article about the group. Some of my favorite songs from the CD include the great Little Milton's "Grits Ain't Groceries", P.J. Proby's "Niki Hoeky" and "Leaving Loachaoka" by Marshall Chapman. By the way -- two great Marshalls come from South Carolina; those Tucker boys & the lovely Ms. Chapman.

For further details about the Oxford American Southern Music issue, click on the link above.

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Fred

I also wonder if Levon will be working with Larry Thurston (what a voice) again, and if there are any plans for Levon and Garth to collaborate on something?

Put Up Your Dukes: snoring indeed!!

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Klaas

Nice work! Keep it up, I like the site, so don't let it die!!!!

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PutEmUp (Jeff)

Amanda, I do not yet have Burrito Deluxe, but I read on the website for it that it was a homage to the old Burrito sound, and a rerecording of a lot of those songs. I am hurried now, just in from a 24 hour road trip and behind schedule, so this will be less than a full accounting of what I really want to say. Gram Parsons joined the Byrds briefly for Sweetheart of the Rodeo, then left.Pretty quickly Chris Hillman joined him and they started the Flying Burrito Bros. Prior to the Byrds venture, Parsons had the International Submarine Band, with which he launced his efforts at developing what he called "Cosmic American Music". Now the Burritos were actually a jam thing that washappening around LA, with Leon Russell, Chris Ehteridge, Delaney and Bonnie, anyone who was around. It became formalized in the Parsons, Hillman, Etheridge, Kleinow, and Michael Clarke formation (Clarke came and went a few times early on before he finally stuck. A few drummers were used till he stayed put). The Burritos were am amalgam of music, from Merle Haggard to Dan Penn, to Larry Williams (Bony Moronie) to Bob Dylan. They could soul or country you to tears, or rock you till you could not rock no more. And first class, baby, no 99% ever.

The Burritos were also about great songwriting, great harmonies, as well as great playing. In that way, as well as in the way they melded so amny great influences, they were like our Band. Where the difference is , is that the Burritos had many great songwriting teams. One guy would drop out, another head grew in his place. First it was Parsons and Etheridge (one of the most unique bass palyers ever),and simultaneously Hillman and Parsons. Then Hillman and Rick Roberts. And even Hillman, Roberts, and Gene Clark.

There is a double album Burrito cd, compiling songs from 68 to 72, which was the bands demise till 75, when Gene Parsons, Chris Etheridge, Joel Scott Hill, And Sneaky Pete and Gib Guilbeau started a Burrito reunion, and these reunions still happen to this day in different configurations. Etherisdge died a few years back. I think the cd I am talking about is called LAst of the Red Hot Burritos. It is a wondrous collection that will show you what "cosmic american music" was and is about. And if you want, picking up Garm's Grievous Angel will blow your mind as well. Cosmic, American, and music. Me, I just call everything music. Don't much like titles, especailly Americana. Man, the music was here so long before the title came. And people were loving it long before Oh Brother, where Art Thou.

There is also a live Burrito cd from 72, where Hillman, Rick Roberts, Michael Clark, and Al Perkins really stretch out on some killer rock and roll. When it came to rock and roll, and soul/ roll, the Burritos were definitely in the same league as the Band. Not as documented, not as well known, and believe it or not, there history was even more chaotic, and ther lifestyle as debauchered or even more.

For some awe inspiring beauty, check out the 3 songs at the end of that double disk that feature Gene Clark collaborating and singing with Hillman and Rick Roberts. You asked a simple question, got a rambling, hurried answer, but , to summarize, if Burrito Deluxe hits the mark of paying homage to the Burrito sound, then it should be "Cosmic American Music".

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Paul Godfrey

Subject: Deana Carter

Channel surfin last night and came across the CMT and there was Deana Carter...Fred Carter Jr's Daughter.

She certainly has something special to offer to the music world.

Good to see Fred...wish he and his daughter might have sat down and shared a few licks on the guitar.

I met Fred at the RCO party at Levon's.

Fred was nice enough to play a bit on my 12 string G45 Gibson. If memory serves someone walked away with his brand new RCO jacket that day.

Anyway...nice to see the BAND relations family grow.

shineonpaulg

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Water Of Tyne

Subject: Mr. Katz & Shangri-La

re: Jonathan's Shangri-La visit - I found it in the Archive (see link above).

Thanks Johnathan - that's next year's vacation sorted!

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Peter Viney

Bones: The info about Robbie’s credits came from the ASCAP songwriters section on his compositions (see ASCAP website), which include both the Touchstone Pictures Logo and the Whoopi Goldberg Show theme and cues.

If you also look at the BMI songwriters list, you find Levon & The Hawks stuff and his co-compositions too, presumably because co-writers were BMI registered. e.g. The Way That You Use It (with Clapton), Nobody’s Child (with Maria McKee), What About Now (with Ivan Neville), Ghost Dance (with Jim Wilson), Cherokee Morning Song (with Rita Coolidge).

There’s an interesting research angle here. There are quite a number of unreleased songs on the two lists. Harm Van Sleen did some work on this. It turns up a few (probably early) unreleased items.

Treasure Untold (Arc Music)
by Marion Oliver & Robbie Robertson. This is probably early because Marion Oliver co-wrote Hawkins Come Love. She was a Brill Building songwriter.
(I Want To Be The) Rainmaker (Hollis Music)
Hollis Music published the Levon & The Hawks singles, which indicates that this song is contemporaneous.
Bisquits and Taters (Quality Music) - this was recorded at Hallmark Studios, Toronto in the Autumn of 1964 by Levon and the Hawks. Never released.
Fifteen Years of Nothing (Lari-Jon Publishers)
Good Luck Soldier (Style Songs) Roscoe Barnhart & Robbie Robertson
I Just Went And Fell In Love With You (Pro-Canada Clearing)
Gift (Unichappell Music) Eric Clapton & Robbie Robertson

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jerry

White men know very little about being prejudged, unless of course it's in the positive sense, we have it made for christ sakes, and if your white, rich and a C student at Yale your the friggen President of the most powerful nation in the world......

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Todd Atkinson

Subject: Muddy Waters/White Stripes

Amanda: Thanks for the head's up on he Muddy Waters Doc. It airs in my local area on April 27, on PBS and I' really looking forward to it.

For all the White Stripes fans:
I believe that they will be on Conan O'Brien's late nite show this week. I read recently that Jack is 27 years old and Meg is 28. The kids sure grow up fast these days!

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Ed Voci

Subject: Tony from Chica-go, Lars, The Gourds; David Powell, John Hiatt

Tony: You missed The Gourds at the Abbey Pub on March 28th. They come to Chica-go about once a year, but the 450+ packed house might bring 'em back sooner. They are from Austin, Texas. They have a website and an unoffical website from which you can download tons of tunes. See above. The Crows Nest at State and Jackson in Chicago (where, btw, I first heard and met Prof. Louie & The Crowmatix) is where I bought my first Gourds CD four years ago. They still got 'em. Mail order from the website or various venders works, too.

Lars: Which Gourds CD have you been listening to?

David Powell: Thanks for the John Hiatt tip. Can't wait. I pasted your GB post to the Gourds list.

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jerry

I watched TLW last night, again, and did not realize that Pop's Staples was playing guiter during "The Weight", of all the times I've watched this thing I couldn't believe I didn't catch that before..oh well, part of what makes it what it is I guess....love Mavis whispering beatiful, gives me shivers down my spine everytime............

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Amanda

Subject: Muddy Waters documentary (new)

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Jonathan Katz

Subject: Shangri-La

Tony - Shangri-La does still exist, but it seems to be a private residence now. Many years ago I made a [sort-of] pilgrimage there, and posted in this guest book. My post about it is in this GB archive, but its been years since. I don't think that it was used for recording after the Band abandoned it.

Peter V. - I liked your post a while back about the James Taylor concert you attended. His new CD is one that has been spinning on my CD player for quite a while. They just named a bridge for him in NC [I think]. He doesn't get as much respect as he deserves.

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Lars

Subject: Not Sure Yet

hmmmm....After Roz's emotional post I think I had the right spot to write a dull, informative report on "Our Friend the Common Beaver"....but I think I may have already done that, I can't remember. All the good topics have been taken.

I'm reminded of a verse from The Grateful Dead, "What a long, strange trip it's been." So I'll take a trip down memory lane (I do that a lot...it exposes my limitations, I guess). Anyway, my musical journey started in earnest with the folk movement and Peter, Paul & Mary. Then I was into Dylan. Next came The Beatles, Lovin' Spoonful, Beach Boys and then I kind of lost track. I emerged to find Jethro Tull, CSN&Y, America, and the Eagles. Then Marshall Tucker and Supertramp and then I discovered The Band. I couldn't listen to anything else. This was different, I never got tired of them. It was like finding my "true love" and I never could spend a lot of time listening to anything else.

But then the Band broke up and I started going to all the Crowmatix shows. The original Crowmatix were probably an offshoot of "The Crows" and they had former Crow members Jimmy Eppard, Mike Dunn, and Randy Ciarlante. They also had the awesome talent of Levon Helm, Aaron Hurwitz and his wife Miss Marie. Then Randy left to help Jim Weider form "The Honky Tonk Gurus" and Levon left to form "The Barnburners" with members of "The Eldorado Kings." Eventually Eppard and the Crowmatix parted ways. Jim told me once that it was "amicable." Now Jim has the Retro Rockets and they play sometimes at The Georgetown (Ct.) Saloon (phone: (203)-544- 8003. Jim's sons also have a group called "Three" and that must take up a lot of his time. He also built a studio in West Hurley, not far from Woodstock. I havn't seen Jim in a long time, those trips to Georgetown were just too long.

So all the players have scattered, each pursuing his own sound. I try to see them when I can, but it's like running into an old friend who has a new spouse and you really liked the old spouse better. You're still friends, but things aren't quite the same.

So you buy a "Gourds" album and hope you can adjust to the changing times. Robbie said it all: "Ah, it's not like it used to be."

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Tony D

Subject: Bay Area Roots

Growing up in the Bay Area in the 70"s,I had the great privilege to see a number of bands before they became famous."

"Of all the bands i heard and all the shows i attended,the greatest show i ever saw was the BANDS last show at Winterland."

" Thank you to THE BAND for a memory that will last me forever

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John D

I hesitate to post this; however I heard that Jim has been battling Cancer. He is a great guitar player and I know we all wish him well. If I'm wrong, I know someone will correct me; but my source was a good one.

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Jeff

Hey John D. thaks for the tab for "baby let me follow you down", its great

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" JUST SCROLL ON BY "

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rosalind

Everything I say here is written down without gile, without contempt, without anything but a smile.

I know there's lot of great music OUT THERE! I don't see live music any more because I don't want to be ignited. Maybe you regular folks can be satisfied to sit in an audience and be the submiters, the takers, lookin' up but I ain't like that. Live music for me is not like a harmless little match on the sole of a shoe, not a good home-cooked dinner that makes ya all good, warm and comfy inside. Hell No I Ain't That Lucky! Music hits my body and soul like a torch thrown onto a barrel of gasoline. If I stay in my mind all I do is drive people insane with cries of That guy's out of key .... That guy needs to tune ...these people suck! People shout "Why can't you just enjoy the music and shut up! Why do you always have to get so riled up?" I don't know! I can do better than that I should be up there Dammit! Well why ain't ya? You know Why? You know why? _____________________________________ Cause the will to stay alive is greater than Rock n Roll but Not too damned much greater! Y'all know what fire is? Maybe ya do, Maybe ya don't! If you do I want to hear it. I don't want to hear who recorded this and who recorded that in what year, I don't want to hear tech bullshit. I want you people to write your souls down in the Band guestbook - That's what music is and that's all it is! What better place to Spill your Guts about what you FEEL about MUSIC than THE BAND'S Guestbook ! There's my two cents about music. That's the language I speak.

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mary (bear)

I don't feel racism is right at all. I happen to come from a very diverse family. I have relatives from Mexico, Puerto Rico, Phillipines, my cousin is married to a wonderful man from Africa, my sister is married to a man from Iran. Incidentally, his mother is a Sunni Muslim, and his father is from Pakistan and his family disowned him for marrying her, because they have never gotten along. They are both wonderful. By the way, they know firsthand of the treatment of the Iraqi people by Sadam's regime. I have been the victim of prejudice for several things....being Catholic for one thing, where I lived growing up. People automatically made judgements and assumed I was a snob. I try to get to know a person first. I don't care what race, religion, or background they come from. I go by what kind of person they are. That is how I was raised and how I have chosen to raise my children too. My son came home for Thanksgiving from Camp LeJuene. Some of his friends weren't able to go home because it was so expensive for air travel and my son invited three other Marines home for dinner. He didn't ask, he just said "Mom I am bringing a few guys home for dinner. I knew you wouldn't mind". And of course, I didn't. We always have room. His one friend Reggie said "Are you sure your mom won't mind me coming home with you since I am black"? Well, when Reggie and company got to my mothers.....he fit right in. There was my cousin Kelly with her husband and her two children. I do get very hurt and angry when I hear racial slurs. But, at the same time some people are very ignorant. They do not realize they are being bigoted or hurtful. I try to let it go in one ear and out of the other. Just recently I had posted something about my son being in Iraq, and most in here were very kind, but someone posted something very mean spirited and made judgements about me and my son and I have never done anything to him, nor have I ever met this person. I just chose to let it go. I wish we could all get along in here and be respectful of others and their opinions. That is what I try to do. And on a more band related topic now.......sounds like you had a great time Donna. I am so sorry I missed it this time. One of these days donna, you, lil, calm and I will have to get together again for a show. Everyone have a good day now.

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Chris D.

Subject: Burnin' Down the Barn!!

SMOKIN'performance Friday by my favorite band, Levon Helm and The Barnburners! I, like Donna from Pa., am just getting to post after a long weekend. Butch and Levon were outgoing and, as always, very generous with their time before the show. If the whole show was just hanging out with those guys, I'd still be the first in line for a ticket. My kind of people! Then the Fire started and Levon and The Barnburners showed Philly what the blues are all about!! Always a pleasure to say hello and thank Pat O'Shea and Chris O'Leary for the music. Those two guys just keep getting better!! Such talent!! That music had me juiced up till' 6 in the morning!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't take advantage of any chance you get to see these guys, you just ain't livin'!! Side note- Why, when there is so much talent out there and musical history to talk about, do some of you lowlifes have to talk shit and put people down? Cowards I guess. Sorry, had to say it.

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Ray G

Subject: Crowmatix: Where's Jim Eppard???

I'm wondering if anyone knows why Jim Eppard isn't playing in the Crowmatix anymore. He played on the Levon/Crowmatix CD, the first two Prof Louie/Crowmatix cd's and Jubilation. He an excellent guitarist/lap steel/mandolin player, what happened???

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Tony

Subject: Shangri-La\ Ed Voci and the Gourds

Reading thru the recent posts, I was reminded
that I never found out what happened to Shrangi-La.
Does anyone know? Is it still in existence?
Does anyone still record there, and if not when was it last used?
Love to know, thanks.

Dear Mr. Voci, I've been meaning to ask you
for more info on these "Gourds" you speak so highly about.
Are they from Chicago? Do they have a website?
Anywhere in chicago that I can see them or purchase
some music by them? If you'd like to email me alupo80ataoldotcom. Thanks

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*A WASTE OF G.B SPACE*

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Pehr

Paul Godfrey: what a nice note! I've been meaning to e mail you and congratulate you and wish you the best with your new life situation, but I dont have your address and i remember the commotion about the virus goin' on thru here last fall. It sounds like you are really making the transition fluidly and with joy. I enjoy your site. Always good to hear from you. Keep shinin'! best, Pehr

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rosalind

So I take it no one voted for John McCain in the last election?

Tracy - You have Band questions? I thought your imaginary romantic attachments ran exclusively in Robbie's direction ..oh yeah, and that TV guy who just happened to be part owner of some trendy NY City restaurant called the Cutting Edge or the Cutting Room Floor or something. Didn't you have a web page or two filled with "Robbie" pictures you un-taped from your bedroom wall and plastered on your brand new on-line bedroom wall? If I remember correctly, ya had some real sexy-like pictures of that TV guy too. That reminds me of that scene in Bob Altman's "Come Back to the Five and Dime Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean" where Kathy Bates pulls out this picture entitled "Real James Dean Stands Up" that she'd paid a fortune for on the black market, handed it around to all the James Dean Fan Club 20 Year Reunion Girls (and guy), and that sweet little girl in the party dress from the beauty shop takes a peek over Cher's shoulder and says, "Is that a tree branch in his hand or what ?" Ahroooo -shame on you...;) (wink)

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Bones

Great picture of Garth and Levon during the Dixie Hummingbirds project! Thanks for including it.

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John W.

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sadavid

I thought quite a bit about "The Genetic Method" when listening to Bill Frisell. I think I must hear these two together. And I was very big on "Broken English" when it was new although I haven't followed Ms. Faithfull at all since. The radio host mentioned that Frisell likes to segue between tunes so that unbroken 25 minute sets have been known.

In the previous post on Lanois, I forgot to mention what I really found to be the most interesting points. He spoke about commitment, building trust and assembling a talented team etc. He said if any team member lost commitment to, or belief in, the project, such things happen, but that person would have to leave the project. Asked about his work methods, he spoke like any CEO. His words reminded me of police training a friend told me about years ago. You have to gain the confidence of the room, he said. That's the hard part. You have to show positive results in the first couple of days to win the confidence of the room, after that it's just down to business. And, when the interviewer asked him about disagreements with artists, he said he would let artists try out ideas. The room is full of sharp people, he said. The room knows pretty quickly if an idea is rubbish.

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Ray Pence

...one can call objecting to terms like "Oriental" tight-assed or politically correct BS but that's mistaken. As a white person in an interracial relationship I've learned over the years what my partner and her friends go through. For example, as a white man, I can go through the entire day, just about any day, without having to answer to anyone, in obvious or subtle ways, about my identity. If someone treats me like shit in a store, I don't have to worry about it being racially motivated. That's just one example. People of color, on the other hand, do have to deal with such things on a daily basis...being taken advantage of by roommates and businesspeople...having their college work evaluated according to different standards...being told, supposedly as a compliment, that "your English is very good!"

and Fred's right, when it's someone you love, hearing those slurs hurts deeply and kindles great anger.

I've been to Japan to meet my partner's family--wonderful people. And when there was the accident in Hawaii a while back, where a US submarine accidentally sunk a boat full of Japanese students, I really felt that. And I knew that some Americans didn't care too much because they were just "Japs." Sad but true.

lest we forget, Chinese labor built the transcontinental railroad and the Hawaiian sugar industry...Japanese farmers pioneered agriculture in California...and a Japanese-American army unit in WWII is the single most-decorated unit in our history... Sorry, I won't get any heavier on this, but again, before people trivialize it by calling it PC and tight-assed to think that language matters, look a little closer and be more realistic.

and last but not least I'm not mad at anyone here, or trying to censor, but am trying to emphasize the power of words and the responsibility that goes with them...

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David Powell

Guitarist Bill Frisell can be heard playing with Garth on the title cut from Marianne Faithful's "Strange Weather" album.

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Bill

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sadavid

Subject: Daniel Lanois / Bill Frisell

I was tuned into CBC AM radio much of the weekend, and was lucky enough to hear on Saturday afternoon, an hour-long interview with Daniel Lanois in support of his new album. If it had been commercial radio, there would be no hour-long interview, and also they would have made sure I remembered the name of the CD. Which I don't.

The introductory song montage of Lanois hits had about one second of "Somewhere Down the Crazy River" and the interviewer's introduction mentioned Robbie Robertson as one of Lanois's producees.

Daniel came across as a somewhat uncomfortable interview subject, although no doubt a telephone interview isn't easy. I believe they said he was at his home studio in Toronto and his half of the conversation was recorded to DAT to improve sound quality. I swear I kept hearing billiard balls collide in the background. Thinking of Shangri-La, I'm wondering if a pool table is a requirement for a recording studio? Musician's union thing? Recording contract rider?

Lanois was extremely serious when discussing his metier - he spoke about the job of producing with complete focus and commitment. He struck me as monk-like in his dedication, saying he'll overlook small disagreements from an artist, but if he has a vision, he won't tolerate trying anything that won't fulfill the vision. (This is all paraphrase). He was much more animated when talking about music, which is I guess how you want a producer to be. He said the essence of his craft was to recognise fleeting moments of brilliance and have the tape running when they occur.

A kind of example of this was Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" (one of my desert-island jukebox picks). In one take they were fading out of the tune, took it in a spontaneous new direction ("out there," the musicians say) and found the soul and the centre of the tune. Which it was then the producer's role to point out to the artist so they could begin working up what was now a different song.

He said he does listen to rooms and is annoyed when people try to talk over the band in nightclubs. He said he doesn't fuss over technical details as much as he once did, it's OK if the drum kit sounds like a drum kit. He is more interested in the big picture and the honesty of the sound. I was surprised that production was so much about relationship, communication and negotiation. And commitment - he said he moved in with Peter Gabriel for a year working on one project. He works by invitation only (you invite him, he thinks about it) and charges, I think he said, $5000 the hour.

Lanois said a bit about his start in life, running a studio with his brother in his mother's house in Hamilton. If you can survive Hamilton, you're well set up, he said. He mentioned one of his early breaks was Rick James using their studio. Is there a Band connection there besides through Neil Young?

I was also lucky to hear The Bill Frisell Septet (I think) on the Sunday late jazz show. I'd read something that Bill was bringing country to jazz, so I was curious. They do play some country, but I also heard a lot of very very good blues playing. They did Hank William's "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" and took it, well, out there. You can hear dialects in their blues from the sort of Roy Buchanan / Robbie Robertson school, country blues, Chicago Blues, Texas Blues, all in the same tune, and all seamless. And they can build excitement without getting real loud.

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David Powell

Tiny Monster: An old friend of mine works for a music distributor & his company handles a lot of releases for smaller, independent labels. He keeps me posted on new stuff & occasionally sends me advance promo copies, knowing I'll spread the word. So much new music gets released & sometimes gets lost amidst the over-hyped major label releases. I'm always glad to sing the praises of companies like New West Records, who obviously still care about the music & not just the bottom line. Thanks to them, artists like Delbert McClinton, Randall Bramblett, The Flatlanders, Shaver, Stephen Bruton, Tim Easton & many others can get their music out.

I'm so excited about "Beneath This Gruff Exterior" from John Hiatt & The Goners that I'll be discussing the album in more detail in the next few days. This is an amazing CD, just brimming over with Mr. Hiatt's infectious energy. He's got a band that rocks like a semi in Georgia overdrive and the result is a wonderful album without any weak songs on it. You will not want to skip a single cut on this "Mother Of All Goners", or "MOAG" in current parlance!

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Ray G

Subject: Donna... Levon & the BB's

Donna,

My reaction was much the same as yours when I saw Levon and the Barburners at the "Turning Point"(Peirmont, NY) a couple months back. I'd seen them about a year before and thought the smoked but when I saw em recently they were about as "on top of their game" as any band could be. The folks that I went to the show with aren't quite the "Band" fans that I am but they were blown away too. Hope I get to see em again soon!

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Bill

The short Saturday post by Bill on the topic of Garth wasn't really by me, it was by some doink at cache-df07.proxy.aol.com (205.188.208.107) - who seems to be making a practice of this sort of thing. At least this one wasn't a phoney apology for an insult.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: The Goners

We've got thickets for The Mountain Winery here in
Silicon Valley ... We've seen John a dozen times over the
years. He's really great fun, solo or otherwise.

From what I hear, "Baby Blue" is not the best song on
the CD. It is, however, the only one I've heard as well.

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Charlie Young

Subject: John Hiatt

John Hiatt is playing both with the Goners and solo here in Virginia next month and I have tickets to both shows (the one with his band is sold out already). I've heard his "Baby Blue" song on the radio and if the rest sounds like that one, the new disc is a winner. Thanks for the scoop on that one, Mr. Powell.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Beneath This Gruff Exterior

Thank you Dave. I've been reading these reviews of this
new release for a couple of weeks now. Can you tell
me where you got it? ...

John Hiatt and The Goners are a great live show.
I recommend them highly.
Next best is John solo ...

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Donna

Subject: Levon at The North Star Cafe

Sorry about posting this so late, I just got back from visiting family in Maryland. Levon and The BarnBurner's hit the North Star Cafe in Philly Friday night by Storm! Chris O'Leary on harp and vocals, Pat O'Shea on guitar, Jeff Sarli on Bass, and Levon torching the sticks! Chris played harp and sang harder than I have ever heard before, I didn't think that was possible. Jeff and Levon right in tuned to each other, and Pat O'Shea burning the strings. They played some new songs that were very good, the crowd was up and dancing, and everyone left knowing this was one show for the books! Levon looked terrific, just full of energy and happiness! Many thanks to Butch for his hospitality and kindness!

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David Powell

Subject: Parrotheads & Goners

I went with a group of friends to see Jimmy Buffett last Thursday night at the Lakewood Amphitheatre in Atlanta. We had great seats -- 4th row center! I'd seen Mr. Buffett many times early in his career, beginning with his solo shows in small clubs, but it's been a decade since I last caught a concert. I was greatly impressed with the fine show he puts on with his large group of musicians. After years on the road, he really knows how to present his music in such a pleasurable way, and it's very evident that he still has fun playing.

I received an advance copy of John Hiatt's upcoming new album, "Beneath This Gruff Exterior", which will be released May 6 on the New West label. Recorded with his longtime band, the Goners, live in the studio, Mr. Hiatt really rocks out on a dozen original songs. With Sonny Landreth on soaring slide guitar, Dave Ranson on bass & Kenneth Blevins on drums, Mr. Hiatt recreates that "take no prisoners" sound that the Goners lay down in their live performances. This is a must have CD for old & new fans alike! Mr. Hiatt is one of the best songwriters around, with an ability to convey both clever irony and genuine emotion in an honest manner. His debut on New West features the following songs:

Uncommon Connection
How Bad's The Coffee
Nagging Dark
My Dog And Me
My Baby Blue
Almost Fed Up With The Blues
Circle Back
Window On The World
Missing Pieces
Fly Back Home
The Last Time
The Most Unoriginal Sin

I know we're still in the first quarter of the year, but this is the best new album I've heard in 2003. With summer just around the corner -- here's the perfect collection of road music for those long drives ahead.

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Calvin

I like it when GB participants have "weird meanderings" about movies and food. I've always seen this GB as more of a cultural stopping place more than a place solely about 5 guys havent played together in 27 years.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: ... Shootout In China Town ...

For the record, I didn't start this nor was it my intention to "egg" it on. I was simply trying to find out if anybody had heard the White Stripes new release.

As for Rozlyn ... sounds like every family git-togethr I've ever been to ...

And for the other record, occidental (thanks for the term, was it Fred? I'll add it to my vocabulary)people are a minority here in the San Francisco Bay Area, at 43% ... I think Asian and Hispanic make up the the better part of the other 57% ... In my experiance, Asian people prefer "Asian" when speaking in general terms and tend to get haughty if you miss their exact country of ancestry. Chinese, Japanese, Indonesian, Viet Namese, Tai, etc. etc. have never gotten along ... Kinda like Robbie and Levon ... I guess

My appologies to you and your wife Fred if you took offence ... I try very hard not to be the racist most of us Occidental American are by birth ...

White Stripes ... anyone?

Stop it now ...

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Amanda

I just saw your post about the Barnburner show. I am so glad you and your wife had a great time. Levon is the best...

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Dave Z

Thanks John D...

PutEmUp, I'm lovin' this "School For Fools" CD... we played it in the car all the way to/fro the relatives for Easter... the kids kept yelling turn it up louder... I especially like the songs where Larry gets out there... like the title track... and Warning Shot... his voice is like smooth whiskey... or make that hot caramel on soft serve ice cream (for you Roz)... You're lyrics are real cool too (you must lead an interesting life~:^)... 17 yrs and lost dog bluz especially... yes, I'll keep this one in the car for a long while... everytime something happened at dinner... I felt like it needed to be accented by a blues guitar lick... take care...

Hey Roz, we sold our car this weekend... so I bought some more time on the house... take it easy gal... I can email you a sad story or two if ya want... or maybe I'll just shutup for a while anyway... I'm started to get tired of my own voice... but here's a funny kinda scary one for you that shows how intelligent my gene pool really is... my 2nd born wakes me up the morning after the Hubert show at about 10:30 am... and he has tied one end of a piece of string to his little toy frying pan (can ya see where it's going yet)... anyway, I just yeeeelled, Chris!!!... and she said Oh My God... because what the other end was tied to was turning purple... while my wife rushed to get fingernail clippers or scissors... I luckily found out the knot wasn't that sophisticated and came undone pretty quickly... but then my heart was pounding almost as bad as my hungover head... btw, he was the kid telling me to turn Jeff's CD up louder later in the day...

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Hi

Subject: Norah & Garth

Here's hopefully a link to Allaire recording studios where Norah Jones recorded "Come away with me." Garth could almost walk there from where he lives...nice work if you can get it....beautiful place....

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Amanda

Great news about Garth! He deserves everything wonderful that comes his way. My cousin's husband and brother-in-law have a pretty well known club in Nashville, but it caters strictly to a specific kind of music. It would be cool if Garth played there. My cousin is a huge Band fan. I have the Burrito Deluxe cd, but I can't figure out how to classify the sound. Is it considered country?

Didn't anyone go to the BB's North Star show in Philly? If so, are you going to give us a review??? :o)

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Paul g

Subject: Pehr

Hello Friend, Thank you so much for your chord version of Just Like Tom Thumbs blues. That probably is the version I used way back when...but the memory fails me. It is great to now have time to go back & pick up some of the tunes I loved to much and play them. Thanks again.

shineonpaulg

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Tracy

This is what I understand of Roz's posts...

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What is with the racial comments? Meanderings about films and weird food? Jeez, somebody brings up an intelligent and well thought out post on THE BAND and can't get an answer, but Roz who drones on and gets tons of attention. I guess people don't care too much about music anymore.

Tracy

baffled

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Lil

Have a good day everyone.

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Cécile Damiani

Bonne journée

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John Donabie

Garth has been recording recently with Norah Jones as you may have read in the What's New Section. If you've seen the Norah Jones Live in New Orleans DVD she makes a wonderful intro to Bessie Smith....wishing she had wrote it. As you all know Garth and Levon were recording with the Dixie Hummingbirds in New Jersey and most recently with J.C. Hopkins.

Those in the Nashville area will get a real great treat! Garth is on his way there for rehearsals with Burrito Deluxe. They apparently will also play at three venues there. I don't know what they are so check your local listings if your in the Nashville area. Old friend Colin Lindon is living there now (co-wrote Remedy & played in Down From The Mountain) and expect to see him jamming with the boys. Here in Toronto we await The Senator for a week beginning May 20th. It is wonderful to see Garth so active out there. I believe this is just the tip of the iceberg. He's a true National Treasure in my mind. Kudos to Maud Hudson who along with being his wife & soul mate has really been behind much of Garth's "recent moves" over the past couple of years. They make a great team.

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Fred

Normally West is pronounced NISHI and a different character is used; China is Chugoku---chu is middle; goku is country and Japan is either Nippon or Yamato (if someone is using the term Yamato they will use the WA mentioned before and it means BIG PEACE)

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Fred

Peter V: It seems to me that, in Japan (and generally speaking), that the world is divided into three areas: the West, China and Japan. This especially applies to the wonderful world of food Yoshoku means Western food; Chukaryori meaning Chinese food and Washoku meaning Japanese food. It's interesting to notice that that the character used for Western can also mean Ocean and Wa can also mean Peace! The ka in Chuka also can be read as flower or showy.

I believe all food from the rest of Asia is generally labelled as ethnic food (or using the name of the country in question)

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Fred

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Nancy

Fred isn't being a tight-ass in objecting to your "joke" about Japanese women Ros, he's just pissed about your rudeness towards his wife who's Japanese. For someone who thinks she's full of mental acuity, how come you're insensitive to other people's feelings?? My guess is that Fred belongs to a silent majority here who normally manage to let your inanity pass them by. Me whine? I don't usually, so congratulations.

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jerry

Subject: NLSC

I'm here at work listening to Northern Lights and can't get enough of it, as has been stated in here a vastly underated album..liken it all but "Ring your Bell" has got my foot a tappin this fine mornin...listened to the Bosses latest before that..shit ya can't beat great music...

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Peter Viney

JQ: I’ll check out the Art of Song. The other one is ‘Beyond the Missouri Sky’ with Pat Metheny where they do Roy Acuff’s “The Precious Jewel”, not quite as memorably as Mordicai Jones & Link Wray, but they certainly bring out the full beauty of the tune.

Lucinda Williams fans should check out the article on her in the mag “The Word” (#3). Excellent writing.

Language query for Ray & Fred (seriously interested for professional reasons) – others scroll by! What’s the generally acceptable term to cover the word ‘Oriental’? It’s obvious that anyone would prefer the specific – Japanese, Korean, Chinese - to a regional cover term, but there are always regional cover terms, and the Japanese frequently use ‘Western’ and ‘Westerner.’ There’s a Thai internal airline called Oriental too. I was interested because I’m doing a photo collage of real restaurant signs with ‘nationality words’ on them for a book, and one I’d selected was Ken Hom’s chain of restaurants in Britain which are called “Yellow River: Oriental Bar & Restaurant” and Ken Hom’s series of cookbooks all have ‘oriental’ in the title, and he has made his reputation basically by putting a Thai chili fish dish with a bit of sushi and sweet and sour prawns, so he needs a regional term. The other British term is ‘Far Eastern’ (which other eclectically Asian cookbooks have) but that has a directional perspective, though as ‘Oriental’ means ‘Eastern’ it isn’t much different. I don’t think ‘oriental’ is any way abusive or demeaning in Britain, but then again I don’t know how it’s used in the USA. The difference might be that ‘Asian’ in Britain means almost exclusively Indian / Pakistani / Bengali so wouldn’t be used for people from East Asia.

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roz

Sorry Fred - I just go back to "The Hatchet-Man" and "A Christmas Story". I'm not equipped for the Politically Correct crowd - They're too tight-assed! You ever seen that terrific Bob Altman picture "McCabe and Mrs. Miller"? I remember that old line about the ....you know, from that. No slam against our Asian brothers and sisters. The way I look at it is, Whitey gave to the Red Man, Whitey gave it to the Black Man, It's only fair that Whitey gets it from the Yellow Man so Whitey should just bend over the gravestone and keep his whining trap shut.

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Fred

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roz

Is it true what they say about Japanese women?
Hell No, Their Legs Would Fall Off!

I'm in Troublesome Waters now boy ...sorry Y'all.

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Tarnatulamike@aol.com

Subject: The "Band" Rocks!

I love the grooup....i first heard about them while watch a DVD "The last waltz".....very cool! this group rocks!

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Dam-mit Ray

Oh Yeah! That's just what that happy Son-of-a-bitch needs ...more great times! Don't forget Dave, you'll be losing the house by the end of the year!

I just got back...lovely 40 hours. I spent most of yesterday listening to my mother whine about her sky-rocketed property tax and hem-roids (evidenty she got them carrying me), and her car-sickness by the time we got outside Romney. Ran into two accidents. Mother prayed the whole time and went stark-raving mad if I got above 70 miles an hour. I had one blister of a fight with my cousin Nelson - Happens every damn year! My 96 year "young" Aunt Elva tripped on the ce-ment stairs going into church, ripping a large un-mendable hole in her brand new Easter dress and spraining her arthritic knee. I used my normal regular everyday favorite phrase "What The Fuck's Goin' On Now?" as she hit the landing .. with her forehead, all the while being stared down and scolded by a couple of holy than thou deacons who were there ... That's Right! To make sure that no old people tripped going up the stairs! I held my peace altho I wished I had that steel thing I keep under the driver's side. I would have fixed some wagons! They would have had two funerals intead of that one communion ! Of course, after I took my seat (in the back row right next to the "Out" exit) I was branded a heritic and shunned by the vast majority of the church members for the remainder of the service and on down the road. The last five words I heard out of them as I speeded across that old ricket bridge were "Barfly - That Girl - To Hell"

Lunch was Good. I got a great new Strawberry Pie recipe from somebody ... relation or somethin'.

Mother cried over dead family members, blew her nose and shaked her head from side to side criticizing my "Deliberately Evil Heathen-like " behavior the whole way home saying stuff like --- "I'm glad your Grand-mama wasn't alive to see that" and "You're just like your Daddy" to which I replied "Well You're the One Who Married The Rotten Bastard !" Needless to say, I didn't receive "The Gift" this year. In the words of David Crosby "It kinda starts off real slow and then fizzles out all together"

Good-night Dammit !

roz

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Ray Pence

...yes i'd have to agree these are occidental faces...

...maybe it's just me (no, not quite) but that term "oriental" grates, probably because my partner's Japanese, not making an attempt to censor (which wouldn't be followed anyway), but speaking my mind...

...reminds me of what "Boss Tweed" said in "Gangs of New York" (now there's an indictment of how this country is founded on whiteness), when speaking of a group of Chinese dancers, "These celestials are very curious creatures"... so, at least two Band connections here, Scorsese, and, obliquely, "Shoot out in Chinatown."

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jerry

Subject: Sumlin

Dave Z.....What I was afraid of happened, first I was unable to make it Sat. night to see Hubert, which was a dissapointment and secondly I had a feeling that I would read your post in here tonight about what a great show it was..I was right on both counts...glad to hear it was a great show, sounds like you had one of those great evenings with great music and a great crowd, that is so cool....makes me all the more jealous....

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Crabgrass

Subject: White Stripes

Okay, the girl in White Stripes doesn't look oriental but she did on SNL. Either she was made up, squinting from the bright lights, replaced by a stand-in, or I was very high. Have to wait for the re-run to find out!!

Anyway, if they sound like Led Zep it's not due to her drumming for certain. Check the photo on the link above - the boy does look a bit older smoking a cigarette - about 15 maybe. Above site has sound samples btw.

See, now that the war is over we're back to interesting discussions of music.

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JQ

Subject: Sweet Jesus

I'm no religious cat at all, but this being Easter and all, I've been playing Sam Cooke & The Soul Stirrers all day. My goodness it's all right there: the essence of rock and roll, the lovely poetry, Rick Danko influences, ect.

While I'm going on about that, Mr Viney, the Charlie Haden record, The Art of the Song, has a version of Wayfaring Stranger which is just exquisite.

Man, I think I might just convert today and wash my troubles.

Amen.

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Jimmy K

Thanks for the great pages of memories.

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Peter Viney

If you wait patiently, every artist you want to hear about will eventually be mentioned on this site. Charlie Haden's "Ballad of The Fallen" is an old favourite, and "Els Segadors" is the track to play if you feel your bass speakers could use a pleasant massage and bout of exercise. It's a few years since I bought new ones, and the CD used to go with me to hi-fi stores along with Birdland and The Weight to check out equipment. So what's he doing with Ringo? One to check out.

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Ray Pence

I've read about "Ringo Rama," Ringo Starr's latest, and it sounds like it's worth checking out--have a look at this song/guest listing:

Eye To Eye

Missouri Loves Company

Instant Amnesia (featuring David Gilmour)

Memphis In Your Mind

Never Without You (featuring Eric Clapton)

Imagine Me There (featuring Charlie Haden)

I Think, Therefore I Rock 'N' Roll (featuring David Gilmore)

Trippin On My Own Tears (featuring Shawn Colvin)

Write One For Me (featuring Willie Nelson)

What Love Wants To Be

Love First, Ask Questions Later

Elizabeth Reigns (featuring Van Dyke Parks)

English Garden

The big surprise there for me is Charlie Haden, who's made history playing with Ornette Coleman and on his own...what a stellar guest list. Reminds me that "Ringo" (1973) is in the top five solo Beatles albums without a doubt, due in no small part to the presence of "the boys" on "Sunshine Life for Me."

I've also heard Ringo was at the last waltz...Rollie, would you be able to confirm that?????

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Tiny Monster

Subject: ... Musical Taste ...

... Thanks Brian. I was thinking last night after I posted that second quandary about how I'm not one to pay much attention to reviews or even musical suggestions from a friend. So why would I take the advise of someone whom I'd never met and really am not what you would call "friends" with (though you try). And this is what my thoughts were ...

... It has always seemed to me that there are but a few types of music presented to the world at large. There's what I would call and has always been called "Top 40", which is that stuff that gets played on the radio. Most of which (these days especially) is pay-for-play, easy listening, kind of background music. Even if a song such as, say, "The Weight" may have made it into this realm of "Top 40" I wouldn't consider, The Band, "Top 40" material. You all know what I'm talking about. Then there's that music that (as far as I can see) came about during the mid to late 60's that constitutes the better half of our generation. This music got heard because of word of mouth or the *early* FM stations that sprang up in those early days. Those FM days are gone now as FM is now the AM of the 60s ... Anyways, as a musician (back in the 60's & 70's) it was easy to hear about these outstanding new musicians and their music. Today I find it extremely difficult to find a source I trust to recommend "Good Music".

... The kind of music you and I listen to. Because The Band was at the very top of that list. ...

...And just what would you call this class of music, if it were to have it's own category? I usually end up calling it "World Class" for lack of a better label but that really doesn't fit all that well. There was some talk awhile back about what "Alternative" music is or isn't but I wouldn't call this upper-echelon type of excellence in music "Alternative" ...

... Any thoughts? ...

Happy Easter everyone ...

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Amanda

I haven't heard from Empty Now in a long time. Please let me know if anyone gets in contact with him. His posts are beautiful. I am so terrible about staying in touch. I have always had a great feeling about him--rare in cyberspace.

vonvicker@yahoo.com

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Dave Z

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Charlie Young

Subject: Cream's BBC Sessions

The recent Clapton-bashing here was in the back of my mind as I read the attached favorable review of the new collection of live sessions by Cream (with some overdubbed intruments) from the BBC studios. The article gives well-deserved praise to Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker for pushing Clapton to the level he was capable of reaching as a guitarist.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Bloomfield & Kooper Revisited

Click the link above for an article about two new CDs from Al Kooper and Mike Bloomfield. One is an expanded edition of the "Super Sessions" album with Stephen Stills and the other is a Fillmore concert from 1968.

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Brien Sz

I don't know if I'd give Elephant, The White Stripes latest, 5 stars. It's a good effort and it rocks but 5 stars is too lofty.

Tiny - I can't account for your tastes and I don't know many other words I could use that could describe their music adquetley in order for you to get the feel of what they are about. You'll just have to unload 15 bucks and see for yourself. Or download a song or two. What can I say - How else can I describe Raw or edgy? There are flares of punk in their music as well. Some of the guitar work reminds me of old Jeff Beck with a mixture of Kurt Cobain. That's what I hear but then again I thought the movie A Mighty Wind was a goof on Bluegrass, so what does that tell you. White Stripes music also reminds me of the music me and my friends used to write when we jammed in the garage but that tells you even less.

AS for listening to folks here and their tastes - I'll give two examples. The recent artist I picked up due to this site was Richard Thompson. I feel that was good money spent. The other, from a while back, was David Gray's White Ladder. Not money well spent. To me it was boring, and overly longwinded. But hey, that's the way music goes - gotta take a chance!

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PutEmUp

Glad to hear Hubert has apparently fully recovered and is his burning old self again. Spoke to him back in February at the Salute The Blues show, he was excited , his friendly and talkative self "I got me a new lease on life, yessiree, I got me a new lease on life". From your report it sounds like his stamina is back and the man is on fire again. Hubert shows are that way.

Hubert never stopped playing live. He has been playing his ass off forever. Last 8 or 9 years here in NY he has been involved with Jimmy Vivino,performing backed by Jimmy Vivino's band, and the shows were heavenly. Last few years that has changed to Jimmy's bass player Mike, Levon, David Johannsen, Jimmy and Hubert.

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Peter Viney

White Stripes- when so many reviewers in the UK fall into ecstasy and give 5 star reviews you have to suspect a massive degree of hype is going down. Celebrity-DJ John Peel's oft-quoted "the best album since Sergeant Pepper' reminds me of the amount of crap he's foisted on the listening public over the years. The last good record he launched was 'Virginia Plain' and that's 30 years ago (I quote the Sunday paper here!). I heard about three tracks in a record store while browsing, and thought ‘Hmm … maybe’. I need convincing though.

[In the interests of peace and harmony on Easter Sunday I have just re-read my comment on Pete Seeger and the 37 potential, sound and totally non-political reasons for banning him from TV, and deleted it]

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Dave Z

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Fred

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Dave Z

Subject: Again

It's definitely Easter... and how do I know... because I saw HIM... and him was lying on a speaker right next to me... well, we were hanging over the speakers... so technically, we were on stage...

I just got home... drove mostly in the fog... but back to the stage... Huuuuuuubert Sumliiiiiiiiin!!!! Yea!!!!!!

The band band had left... but Hubert wouldn't... so the lead guitar player from the Butanes came back... dragged himself back... me and Jesus were on the speakers... and Hubert plays Mannish Boy... and then more after... and that was encore 16... at 33 1/3 am... and the full house at Famous dave's loved it!!!!!!!!!

I must be a mudhead... you know, one of the backwards people... because I walked right in and found the best seat in the house... I fell in love with my waitress who had more tatoos than I could count... I had a clear view... and everyone was standing... I won't tell you want I drank and ate... brisket... pina coladas... Famous Dave teas... hey, I gotta have the Killians... and Hubert played everything... and I don't even know it all... he played Hidden Charms... I fell in love with three women in their 50's... one was maybe pushing 60... and it was then I realized... that younger doesn't mean funnier... I've got to get a sitter and get my wife out more... I met some of the coolest people ever... all older than me... I danced with one woman and told her I liked Levon & the BBs... and they played it hot and never slowed down from start to end... and Amy Helm ruled... she replied sumpin like "you've got to have it slow like Johnny Lee Hooker"... Oh, man... and Hubert has only one lung... you're shit-ing me, right... fucking awesome... God bless Levon if he had anything to do with pushing this guy on... the crowd loved him in Mpls.... I wore my Garth T-shirt... and was asking everybody I met if they had seen the JWB or the BBs... and told them you ain't seen nothing til you seen Garth and Maud... they responded with tales of slim guitarists doing back flips... and said come on up to Detroit Lakes to catch the Allmans.... plus about 50 other bluesfest acts... man, my eyes were opened tonight... great great music... Hubert's mannerisms are sooooo cool.... pointing with the right hand... casting charms with the right while playing with the left... andd the Butanes supported him beautifully... damn.... i gotta find a way to get to Toronto now....

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Dave Z

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dave z

oh my god

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Folk/Grass/Stripes

Not certain but I don't think the chick is "Oriental" as
you say (check "My link")... as for the liars
buisness, well, I guess ...

And does "short" and "Edgy" or "raw" translate
into "good" "fair" or "crap on a stick" ... ?

Damn it I need to know ! ...

It just seems to me that 50% of the group is drums and
the drummer is a chic. Ever hear a good chic drummer? ...
If that's the case then they're half bad from the git-go ...

Shit, I may have to go buy the damn thing just to find
out how they even got on the charts to begin with ...

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Crabgrass

Subject: White Stripes \ Hootenanny

I should have been more skeptical of that "brother & sister" thing since the girl is oriental and the boy isn't. Liars!! How could they possibly make honest music?

How short-sighted the networks were erasing the tapes of shows from the 50s and 60s - the tape itself would be the least expensive part of the production costs I'm certain. For shame!!

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Brien Sz

I didn't read anything about what C. Guest said the film was about and my interpretation was just that, mine. It just struck me that on the coat-tails of the whole Bluegrass revival thing that a goof film would be made basically lampooning a genre of music that can easily be interchanged with each other (in a mainstream audience sort of way.) Maybe my thinking went that way because of the Bluegrass revival movie "Comin' Down the Mountain?" (not sure of the exact title) but it was the concert of many of the acts that appeared on the O' Brother soundtrack. With the whole Bluegrass revival thing still having some gas, I just thought Guest had come up with a witty way to spoof it. Folk would be easier to do because it was such a strong movement and integral part of the 60's culture, that people could identify with imagery and style from that era. It would make it easier for people to identify and at the same time a better commercial sell for moviegoers. It could also be that I put way too much thought into this..., Nonetheless, it is a good movie and shouldn't be missed no matter what you particular thoughts are about folk music.

As for the White Strips - It's edgy, raw, garage rock. It has some old time feel to it but it also has flares of punk throughout. All the songs are short except one. Ball and Biscuit is 8 minutes and is by far the best song on the disc.

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Pete

Subject: Bill Munson

Where can I get Bill Munson's Email address? Thanks, Pete

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Charlie Young

Subject: Hootenanny

Hey Crabby: you're just too young to remember the great folk scare of the early 1960s, huh? Click the link above for the scoop on an ABC TV show I vaguely remember (I was about ten when it got cancelled), but it is infamous as the show that banned Pete Seeger and thus lost guests like Dylan, Baez, and Peter, Paul and Mary as a result. Peter Viney should note that neither the Doors nor "The Moon Struck One" ever made the program either.

Speaking of folk music in the early '60s, didn't Albert Grossman own a club in Chicago called the Gate of Horn where Roger McGuinn and a lot of the people who came out of that folk scene performed?

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Crabgrass

Subject: A Mighty Wind / Jesse Harris / White Stripes

Well, I got all excited this morning when someone posted that Christopher Guest's new film "A Mighty Wind" was a spoof on the bluegrass revival that emerged as a result of the Coen Bros. flick "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" (which I haven't seen yet despite having a copy lying around somewhere in this room for the past 9 months.)

Needless to say, I was gravely disappointed when I checked the old GB this afternoon and learned that the film is instead a satire of the "folk boom" of the early sixties. I'll probably skip it now (even though I liked "Best In Show" and absolutely loved "Waiting For Guffman") and hope that Guest's next project is indeed a comical look at the more recent bluegrass revival.

Caught Jesse Harris and the Ferdinandos at the Bottom Line the other night mainly out of curiosity since he recently won a Grammy for songwriting. Pleasant voice, quite enjoyed him - he's got his own thing going musically though I can't say anything really stuck in my mind all that much. His band has a hard edge which kind of surprised me - good musicians, particularly guitarist Tony Scherr. BTW Jesse recorded "Bessie Smith" on one of his earlier albums and is no doubt the source for Norah Jones' cover of it.

White Stripes Album - Why take a risk? I recommend NOT buying it!! I already mentioned that they look about 14 didn't I? A little to cutesy to take seriously in my opinion.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: ..... ? .....

So ... Have you heard their new collection?

The White Stripes ...

Cause, if I have to go out and buy it
and it sits around and reminds me of how I wasted my money ...
I won't take it lying down ...
I'll tell you that ...

.... ? ....

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Dave Hopkins

The White Stripes: Christine's right that they started off billing themselves as brother and sister (Jack & Meg White), but it turns out they're EX-husband and wife. And they're from Detroit, USA. Band connection? Not a huge musical similarity, but the Stripes dedicated their album "White Blood Cells" to Levon's daughter in movieland, Loretta Lynn.

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John D

Sorry about that.

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John D

A Second Wind is "Spinal Tap" for the old "folkies." Once again Eugene Levy of 2nd City Fame and Christoper Guest have put together a great mockumentary. This is a word that they both hate. Recently in Eye Magazine in Toronto; where Euguene lives he talks about the film being written in a different manner than "Guffman and Best In Show." It's not supposed to get the laughs that the others did.....a little more on the serious side in order to drive the point of the movie home. Remember how serious folkies took themselves.

There is a picture of an album cover of Mitch and Mickey that looks "dead on" to an old Ian & Sylvia Album. The entire cast "improv's" the entire film. They had an outline and were told to go "with whatever came to mind." Therefore when Bob Balaban gets slapped hard on the face in the film; he has no idea that it's coming. I thought Balaban's character of the record executive reminded me more of a "Harold Leventhal" (Arlo's Guthrie's Manager) type character. Someone who knew Woody and Pete ect. I'm waiting for Balaban to show up on the Larry David show; after their relationship on Seinfeld. That would be great!

There are some very funny moments; but overall not as funny (in big laughs) as Best In Show. Kudos to Fred Willard who always make me laugh. "Fernwood Tonight" lives on forever for me.

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Calvin

I didnt really see Second Wind as a parody of the Bluegrass revival either. It is what it is, a parody of those second rate, over the hill, folks groups plugging away 30 years after they recorded something of worth. I saw the Folksman, or whatever they call themselves, on Mad TV last week and the were dead on mimicking those musicians the movie is paroding. The stage banter and the music were perfect-if I didnt have plans to see the movie before then it would have made me decide to see it.

I hadnt heard about an Oscar backlash against Moore-I be willing to bet Roz that some far right winger suggested it in the press and the media just ran with it-there is now way any the academy is going to be so knee jerk.

I picked up the new Jayhawks and the new Lucinda Williams CD last Tuesday as I had to drive from CLeveland to Pittsburgh and as anyone knows a drive of more than 2 hours by law requires new tunes. For what it is worth they are both great listens and reccomended by yours truly.

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Charlie Young

Subject: A Mighty Wind

Brien Sz: that's an interesting interpretation of the new film "A Mighty Wind" as some sort of parody of the recent renewed popularity of bluegrass after "O Brother Were Art Thou," though director Christopher Guest says his film is based on the folk music scene of the 1960s. To me, authentic artists such as bluegrass icon Ralph Stanley are as far removed from the sort of lame, middle-of-the road folkie muzak that "A Mighty Wind" lampoons as Levon Helm is from Celine Dion.

The fictional manager in the film--Irving Steinbloom--is sort of an amalgam of various figures including Dylan/The Band manager Albert Grossman (who managed folkies Peter, Paul and Mary before moving into more risky music). The title song is an obvious take-off of the PP&M hit version of Dylan's "Blowin' in the Wind" and the faux folkies called the Folksmen are derived from the Kingston Trio and countless others, while the Main Street Singers are clearly based on the New Christie Minstrels and Mitch and Mickey are not unlike Ian and Sylvia.

I've been a fan of director Christpher Guest since his days in the cast of the biting Woodstock satire, "Lemmings," and his wit has never been sharper.

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rosalind

Welcome Christine ! Happy Easter Hun ..

I been hearin' that they're trying to take Michael Moore's Academy Award away because key scenes in "Bowling For Columbine" were staged. Is that true? Jeez, good thing The Last Waltz didn't win a documentary award.

Taking my Mother home to Bluefield later this afternoon - Family Reunion time is here - Load the guns! They aways have a turkey shoot.(not with real turkeys) I make the potato salad, the corn pudding and the pulled barbecue pork!! Everybody aways ends up on the grounds after Church pickin' and singin'.... that's always nice.

Have a Happy Holiday Y'all!

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Lifeboy

Tiny, I would say the new White Stripes album "Elephant" is worth a buy and the previous one "White Blood Cells". You may may not like all of it but there are some good raw and hard bluesy songs on them. They are like a stripped down raw Led Zeppelin at times.

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christine

Subject: white stripes

Im new here, and thought would be as good a time as any to introduce my self.

the white stripes are husband/wife duo (though they started off saying that they were brother/sister). i think they are in theyre 20s. swedish or finnish nationality i believe. maybe norwegian. or dutch.

theyre 1st album is good, though anythign after that is average. a few songs of the second album are good. they are supposedly very good live. /n their sound is very different to anything ive heard in a while

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Crabgrass

Subject: White Stripes

White Stripes are a brother and sister act according to info I found on the web. I accidentally caught them on SNL a few months back ("accidentally" since I rarely ever watch that show as it sucks) and found their numbers somewhat interesting and on the "experimental" edge - not fabulous though. They also looked to be about 14 years old which I admit turned me off a bit.

Didn't Rolling Stone give rave reviews to Robbie discovery Nicky Love's HONEYVISION CD which was abominable? I'd take anything they say with a few grains of salt. Of course, I'm not implying that White Stripes are as awful as Nicky.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: White Stripes

Hey, listen, you all are about as knowledgeable as any crowd I know of (about music anyways)
and I was wondering ... I keep hearing about this couple who call themselves"The White Stripes".
Their latest release got a whopping 5 out of 5 star rating on the Rolling Stone Rewiew
(not that that really means much) and they are just a guy and his ex-wife (who plays drums)
doing the whole gig.

I'm hearing that they're an old time blues based "group" and
that they actually opened for The Rolling Stones at some point?

My question is, are they any good and would I have wasted my money if I
went out and bought their latest CD ?

I need your help here people ... please?

As Always,
Tiny Monster

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Lil

And a Happy Passover to my friend Butch. Wishing you those same good things. I know if you look hard enough you'll find some chocolate in them there brownies :-)

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carmen

Subject: Levon in Philly

Saw Levon last night. Great night of music. My wife and I are standing in the doorway having a drink and a bite to eat with a friend and here comes Levon through the front door. Levon stoped said hello and shook our hands and thanked us for coming. At break, I had an opportunity to talk with the band as they mingled with the crowd.

Happy Easter!

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Rich

Subject: T. Rundgren

I enjoyed the Rundrgen performance a lot. All the late night shows have the "music" slot. Most have the flavor of the week,The Dickwarmers etc. The Letterman show gives voice to some great music like Hiatt, Zevon, Rundgren, etc. that in my expeirience we are not going to see on the other shows.

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rosalind

Stick around Jerry, you sound like a terrific guy. Anything you want to talk about can be said right here and the place is full of great people and we all love the Band !

I met the blues this moan-nin'
I was ram-blin' for my shoezz
I met the blues this moan-nin'
I was ram-blin' for my shoes
You know I got a suit-case full of troubles ba-by
And a trunk full of low-down blue-oosss..

I met the blues this moan-nin'
They were walkin' out through the woodsss
I met the blues this moan-nin'
They was walkin' out through the wo-oods
I said they stopped by my home boyzzz
And did me all the harm they could-ood..... Man I wish this place had sound!

Hey Dave - I remember you mentioning that very same Hardy Boys film several months ago. I even did a net search to look for Disney stuff that sounded anything like what you mentioned. I couldn't come up with it but maybe somebody else did ... hope so. My favorite songs when I was a kid were "My Favorite Things" and the Mary Poppins deal I mentioned.

Everybody kiss your kids, surprise them with big Easter Baskets ...you're a lucky bunch to have them. I gotta get back to mine ...Ken will be 82 next month. Man if he can live that long surely you all can ! !

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Bill

Thanks. It's about time. How about that damn ricky!

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Peter Stone Brown

Subject: Performing rights again

Todd & Peter V:

As far as I know performers do not fill in a sheet like they apparently do in the UK. The way ASCAP works for instance is depends on the size of the venue, how many nights have music etc., and set fee is determined. This also applies to restaurants, stores that have music playing, bars with jukeboxes. ASCAP ran into a heap of bad publicity a few years ago when they tried to charge the Girl Scouts for singing round a camp fire. And of course it applies to radio stations who do keep a log of what song is played.

It's actually a terrible system because the songwriters who are the most successful are the ones who see the money while a lot of songwriters see nothing because they do not monitor every radio station and a lot of radio stations are exempt. They also have an annoying habit of hitting up small venues such as coffeehouses that can't afford it, so the coffeehouse closes instead and up and coming songwriters have no place to play. So it goes in the music biz.

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Jerry

Subject: after all these years

I'm just so amazed, that after all these years, books, quotes, deaths, that these guys are still a topic of discussion. They were always my fave, except for maybe the Allman Bros., saw them a lot of times, before and after Dylan. Don't want to interrupt, never been here before, but I'll bear-the weight.

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Jack Straw

Apologies for butting in but perhaps you are thinking of Disney's "Mystery of the Applegate Treasure". It was indeed a Hardy Boys story starring those Disney stalwarts Tim Considine and Tommy Kirk. The Disney Channel reruns them now and again.

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Todd Atkinson

Peter V: Thanks for your additional info regarding performing rights. I understand it better now, although it seems to me like a system where it's inevitable that someone gets ripped off. I'm a commercial photographer, and it's a constant battle in my business to ensure that images don't get used without proper authorization and fair payment. Even though there is copyright protection, enforcing proper usage relies quite heavily on the honor system.

It doesn't seem to me that the performing rights issue alone would have been enough to drive a wedge between Levon and Robbie in 1983.

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Mike Nomad

AP was reporting Friday night that R&B legend, songwriter and guitarist Earl King was dead at 69. King apparently died Thursday from diabetes-related complications.

His best-known compositions include the Mardi Gras standards Big Chief and Street Parade, Come On (Let the Good Times Roll), which both Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan recorded, and Trick Bag.

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Brien Sz

Just got back from a very entertaining, smart and witty film. If you can get a chance go and see "A Mighty Wind." It's a wonderful mockumentary on the whole Bluegrass craze that hit when the "O Brother Where Where Art Thou?" movie/soundtrack came out. In this film, Christopher Guest uses Folk music instead of Bluegrass but the point is gotten. If you liked Guest's other films, Best In Show, Waiting for Guffman and of course, Spinal Tap, you will enjoy this film. Some of the movies funniest parts come from the smaller players in the film but everyone does a fine job and everyone generates a laugh or two or more. A pure delight - 4 out of 5 stars!

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Neumatic Impact

Subject: Hip Hop Music - Please copy and paste this into your web page

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Dave Z

me too Roz... hey, you are a movie buff... maybe you can help me recollect my childhood memory... I have forever been searching for a two or three part Disney or maybe Hardy Boys mystery... that was called something like Secret of Baron Castle... it had a train scene in it... and when I saw it as a little kid it was on TV... My internet searches have led to ziltch... so I'm thinking it might be called something else... otherwise, this might just be a case where the park you played at seemed real big when you were little... anyway, I'm fishing...

Just got back from a jog... gonna take a bath... then pull out my paint brushes... and pop in my new "School For Fools" CD... thanks Fred, I'll post ya what I think of it all after a listen tonight...

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Fred

Dave Z: I bought that CD a couple of months ago.....it's one of the best b uys I've made in a while. To be honest I'd never heard of Larry Thurston and I bought the CD because of The Band connection. Man, oh, man what a surprise when I heard the vocals (I knew the drumming would be top -notch...and it is). There isn't a weak spot at all on "School". I'm sure that when the CD arrives and you pop it in your player, you won't be disappointed!

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Peter Viney

Todd- to elaborate on what Peter S-B explained. Venues (including some schools, clubs, malls, concert halls) pay a sum of money per year for “performing rights.” In the UK, and I assume in the USA, a performer fills in a PRS (Performing Rights Society) sheet detailing what they played – not that it’s checked and many write in only their own compositions. Supposedly all those sheets (or most likely a random selection) get fed into a computer. All members of the PRS get a basic something, but anyone mentioned a lot on the sheets would get more. I think there’s a ceiling or maximum. As far as I know (and PSB will correct me here if I’m wrong) it works a bit like Public Lending right for authors, where you get money for library loans. Every registered member gets something. I think the maximum an author in the UK can get is only £6000. Not a lot for J.K. Rowling’s number of loans. Authors also benefit from photocopying royalties (BUT NOT FROM THE USA … YET!!!). In the UK, Canada, Australia, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and other fair-dealing non rip-off copyright systems, a small number of institutions are selected randomly each quarter and have to do a meticulous log of all their photocopying. This is then aportioned among the members of the rights society (ALCS in the UK) on the assumption that the percentage will be representative. In music, I suspect that all the major composers hit their maximum portion with ease every year. (Assuming that as with us poor scribes there is a ceiling)

Radio and TV play is different and far more lucrative. When this came up last time, I pointed out that RR’s most profitable composition might well be the Touchstone Pictures Logo- money every time it appears on a video, DVD, TV screen or cinema screen. Lots and lots of tiny sums.

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Mike Kelly

Subject: trades

Anybody trade Band boots on this list? Whaddaya say Eddie V? I can be reached off list @ mike.kelly@ci.austin.tx.us

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rosalind

Chim-chim-in-nee
Chim-chim-in-nee
Chim-chim cher-eee
A sweep is as lucky
As lucky can be...

I love that song...

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John W.

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jay rumsey

dont think i have ever come across so many truly enthusiastic music lovers in any other site. thanks for a very interesting read, but some of the jargon was reminisent of people fucked up from the sixties and very mumbley man...........sweet dreams fuckers

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Dave Z

Alan Edge: How do you like the "Schools For Fools" CD?... Mine is on its way...

Hope everyone is having a good friday... gotta go, we're decorating Easter eggs today... and watching Chitty Chitty Bang Bang... I think Dick Van Dyke should have replaced Robbie... and then Stevie coulda been a backup singer...

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Todd Atkinson

Peter: Thank you for the info. I'm still a little confused though. Why wouldn't the Performers (who are getting paid by the venue) have to pay someone to use the songs?

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Ed Voci

Subject: Fred, Gourds and Garth

Fred, mio paisano Gourdito, concerning your suggestion that The Gourds 'n Garth get together, I dropped the biggest hint possible the night I met and played with dem beeble at the Abbey Pub in Chicago: I wore a Garth Hudson tee-shirt. Man, what an incredible melding that would be. Interestingly, as I mentioned in a previous post, it was only a couple of shows later that The Gourds covered, for the first time, UOCC and TNTDODD. Btw, Claud Bernard is kind of a baby Garth; he plays accordion, organ and guitar (as well as singing more). Fred, email me off the GB, per favore. edwardvoci@aol.com

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Peter Stone Brown

Subject: Royalties (for Todd)

Todd,

The way it works is that the venue be it a club or a concert hall etc., pays a performing rights organization (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC) a set fee in order to perform the songs. These funds sort of find their way back to the songwriter eventually (maybe).

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Todd Atkinson

I'm still trying to find out how royalties work in regard to live performance.

For example: Did The Band have to pay Bruce Springsteen when they performed "Atlantic City" in concert? I assume that Bruce got publishing money when the song appeared on Jericho, but I am wondering specifically about live performances. (I figured that if I presented the question with a songwriter other than Robbie we could avoid "bashing" from either direction.) Any info would be appreciated.

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Todd Atkinson

It's great to see such a nice photo from one of these side projects. I'm glad they had a pro like Danny Clinch around. It really makes a difference.

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Joy

Subject: Photo

Check out the photo of Levon and Garth when they recorded with the Dixie Hummingbirds.

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Tracy

Rod brings up an interesting point. Then there is Ciarlante and Weider's point of view following it from the article in Soundwaves on this site.

"Maybe Rick and Levon had other ideas about where The Band should be heading and they didn't want to be sub-ordinates in an RR led project."

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"Levon was the boss," Ciarlante agreed. "The other two (Rick and Garth) would always say 'if Levon wants to do it, then we'll do it.' He has that charisma."

"Garth would take the basic structure of what the Band was doing, and dress it up a bit," Ciarlante added. "He could orchestrate it, arrange it, in a more sophisticated way, in a way that, at least, Robbie Robertson wanted to take it. Plus, he plays such great stuff."

I know we didn't hear too much from Garth during those last three albums and it sounds like they are complimenting Robbie and bringing out the best of Garth.

"It ('Hog') got away from the rocking thing," Ciarlante added. "The songs (on 'Hog') were hideous. There was no input from the senior guys then, they were all working on individual projects. It was like, well, we just weren't sitting in the 'Big Pink' house, going over it all, like the original Band did in the early days. 'Jericho' was like that, like the old days for them, it was more crafted."

Levon was the "boss" during then, so what happened to the direction? What I'm getting at is somebody needs to have the creative vision to see things out in music projects like these. Just because you say you have a collaborative effort, doesn't necessarily mean it will actually turn out that way. Why didn't Rick or Garth say anything to their "boss?" I love The Band in their heyday with all those intricate textures. It seems to me that they became somewhat of a bar band under the "boss'" direction. Obviously when comparing the original five's work to the newer stuff, there is a strong difference. I'm just surprised more people don't mention that great interview with Ciarlante and Weider. Or is it simply that people dismiss what they say since they weren't the original members and how dare they say things against The Band in it's later incarnation?

Tracy

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Fallen Angel

I think that because The Band took us back to our roots, we made them consciously (sp?) or unconsciously part of our family. Not brothers, mind you, but cousins. And when cousins feud the natural instinct is to step in and try and heal the breach.

Well, these men are all over 60 (or will be very soon) and hard as it is to let go, I suppose we must. They are not "family" and their business is really none of ours. As far as their behavior, I don't think they are behaving as adults, but rather as kindergardners battling it out on the playground. It breaks my heart and wounds me to the bone to have watched it happen and see it continue to today, but I suppose there is nothing to be done.

I go see Levon and the Barnburners tonight at the North Star Cafe. Maybe after I see him play (haven't seen Levon drum in 29 years) I will be able to let go and stop hoping that things can be patched up.

Take care and be well

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babukishan

Subject: worldmusic/babukishan

worldmusic/babukishan

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Rod

I can understand why RR might have been less than impressed with the reunited Band attempting to put out an album in the early - mid eighties. He was the one who maintained that The Band would continue to record together after TLW and I think he was quoted as talking about a Band album as late as 1980. I don't know if he would have done anything to stop such a project but he would have been justifiably aggreaved in being excluded. In any case in 1983 , just five years after TLW, most major labels would have been reluctant to put out a Band album that didn't include him.

It's interesting that he chose Garth and Richard to work with him on Between Trains and The Best of Everthing. He was obviously still keen to work with his old Band mates (even right through to his first two solo albums). Maybe Rick and Levon had other ideas about where The Band should be heading and they didn't want to be sub-ordinates in an RR led project. The biggest obstacle to a real Band project would of course have been the touring issue and this may have been more important to some members than others.

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Peter Viney

A third one who's been wondering about Empty Now. Do check in and let us know if you read this.

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Fred

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Ed Voci

Subject: Empty Now; Lil

Lil, I was wondering about EN, too. We had talked off-GB a few times and he always acknowledged or responded in some fashion. I received no response the last time, however (about three weeks ago). I had no idea about his having cancer. How serious is or was it? edwardvoci@aol.com

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jerry

Dave Z,...and the other Minnie folks in here, Richard Thompson is playing on Thursday 4-24 at First Ave. 6 pm....Lynn Miles opens..............

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rosalind

Magdalene Lane is the red-light domain
Where eveyone's soul is for sale
A piece of your heart will do as a start
You can send us the rest in the mail..

For we have our own families to feed
And we can't let them starve just for you
But we'd rather not watch while you bleed
So come back in an hour when you're through ...

-Don McClean-

I have no idea why that song came to my mind ... it's a mystery..

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Bobby Jones

Yes there was a Lawsuit, Regardless what Robbie stated to some reporter and all four members of the reformed Band were named as was their Manager.

Music had changed in 1983, gone was the Disco craze and in with the MTV music groups and that was also the summer of the reunions of 70's groups. The Band's shows were looked as a oldies reunion and the advertizing was on oldies stations. Even their management team had stated that they gave the 1983 lineup a year until the oldies thing wore off. Gone were the days of Forty or Fifty thousand coming out to see the shows,( except for their shows with the Dead )Most events had under 5000 at the shows, sometimes under 1000.

There was no concern of Royalities at all. If Royalities were a concern they would have only played oldies or their solo stuff, instead of just mixing in a few.

Can you make a record deal if you don't own the name? Oh yeah... Robbie gave them his blessing.

If anyone has questions about that tour, I will answer the best I can. I can be reached at owenjones at mindspring dot com

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Lifeboy

Anything The Sun prints is sound by me........Top Rag!!

Seeing Cousin Paul posting(hi) has reminded me of something I meant to mention some time back when everyone was talking about The Band and Elvis Costello etc. Is anyone familiar with the song "Deep Dark Truthful Mirror" from Costello's "Spike" album? I'm sure it's probably been mentioned here at some point. To my ears it sounds like The Band all over, seriously it sounds so like them it's spooky. I can hear either Richard or Rick on vocals(Either one would do a fine job), more Rick actually and the horns make it sound like it could slot in to "Rock Of Ages" just perfect. If anyone hasn't heard it I strongly recommend checking it out, it's a lovely song and right on the vibe of our five heroes.

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Cousin Paul

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl

Just scrolling through the archives, back in 1983 Rick and Levon played The Elmo-Combo and the place you were wondering about was called B.B.McGoons in Yorkville.It was in a period of a month and may I say they really rocked both nights!! I still have Peter Goddards reviews from The Toronto Star from both shows. Paul

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Lil

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Nosferatu

Good Luck Hun ... I can gar-un-ti you will live at least four more years but believe me it will seem like for-ever.

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Roberto Oliveira das Neves

Subject: The Last Waltz

Hi,guys! I'm 41 years old. It was 1977, winter, I went to the cine to see "The Last Waltz". Stunishing! Marvelous! Great! From then on I became a Dylan and The Band addict! 2002, I've almost had the same end as Richard Manuel. Four year in depression taking several antidepressives and benzodiazepinics made me a ghost. This year has begun better. Let's see! Thank you!

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JTull Fan

The Band HAD a multimillion dollar record deal with Sony but were dropped supposedly after Robbie's Storyville sold less than expected. They did pocket some change from that however. To add to my last post, if you stretch the time from Cahoots to Robbie's first solo outing in '87, that's 16 years with only one entirely original, true album, NLSC. Funny, with all the Robbie bashing and all, but if Robbie really wanted to put a nail in the coffin of a Band reunion and take full advantage of TLW publicity, he would of had a solo album out sometime in '79, '80 at the latest rather than waiting ten years. If anything, his absence from the scene allowed the reformed Band to have much more credibility and acceptance than if they were competing with a successful solo Robbie at the same time.

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terry mullen

Subject: recordings

i have many live bootleg cds anyone interested in swaps phishtez@blueyonder.co.uk

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rosalind

Isn't it possible that the re-formed Band couldn't get a record deal? I heard they even had a little trouble getting "Jericho" released. (I've forgotten what the exact reason was for that) I was just kinda sorry that "This Wheel's On Fire" had to co-in-cide with Jericho. It looked suspiciously like a set-up to me.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Answer to Tracy

All good questions, but as I think of it this is quite in context with the history of the Band even with RR. If you think about it, from the time the left Ronnie Hawkins to Big Pink, they released but a few singles, and what was that, 5-6 years? From Cahoots in '71 to TLW release in '78, which we can consider the end of RR's real participation, they released but one true album of originals, being Northern Lights, Southern Cross in 1975. So, not counting Islands, a compilation of odds and ends, and Moondog Matinee, a covers album, that's but one album in 7 years! Thing of it is, as good a writer as Robbie may have been in his prime, he never was a prolific writer. And the Band were never prolific album makers outside of a 3 year period.

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Kalervo

Subject: Lovely songs

I am so pleased that you have brought here so many lovely love songs.Van' s.etc......Let' s continue: Bruce Cockburn has many other killer love songs like One Of The Best Ones.I may have to keep Finnish, Spanish, Portuquese love songs out here, although there are so many from Caetano Veloso, Olavi Virta, Ismael Serrano, Uxia etc...

In English: My dearest unshamedly romantic album is Harry Nilsson' s Son Of Schmilsson In The Night. If you are a guy and you are not ashamed to show your sensitive yin side to a romantic girl, this is it!

Diane Schuur' s For Your Love...Nick Lowe' s Heart...a bit twisted Joe Ely' s Spanish Is A Loving Tongue...Sam Cooke' s You Send Me...Tim Buckley' s Sing A Song For You....etc... so many

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Tracy

Why didn't the reformed Band make a record in support of their tour in '83? Seeing as though it has been mentioned many times the belief taht their music was a collaborative effort? Rick wrote his own songs, Richard did, Levon was credited on a few here and there. So, why not? Who needs the guy that wrote the vast majority of it when you can go out and prove to the world that you can stand on your own two feet and come up with something new and fresh? I'll never quite understand that among the arguements of collaborative efforts. Why did it take them so long (10 years) to release their next album, "Jericho?"

Tracy

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brown eyed girl

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Todd Atkinson

Sorry for the typo. That should have read "Robbie" not Bobbie.

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Todd Atkinson

Thanks for posting the exerpt from the Bobbie interview again. It's nice to know that they had Robbie's blessing and that he didn't want to stand in the way.

Do you happen to know if the reformed band had to pay royalties to Robbie in order to publicly perform the songs?

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Tiny Monster

Subject: BobbyQueing

Oh, My, God, outstanding sadavid ... Made my day ...

Did you watch the "BobbyQueing" video? ...

I'm going out in the rain right now and fire up the Webber ...

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Ray Pence

Subject: One last link...scroll past if you don't want political...

...on the Iraqi museum looting. The reaction of these Bush admistration insiders says more than I ever could...if people believe what Harry Truman used to say, "The Buck Stops Here," meaning that the President is accountable when all's said and done, they will recognize that the current President should answer for what he does and does not do...he won't and can't of course, but I wanted to make that point...

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sadavid

Subject: The Panther Sleeps Tonight

I took a vow never to post anything political, but when I stumbled upon the site [My Link] I thought it too good not to share.

The Band link is that Greil Marcus references Bobby Seale a fair bit in "Mystery Train."

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Mike D.

Sam, I've watched the entire DVD set. And it's fantastic. And it's mastered loud. For some odd reason when I got it, I went backwards and went from 8 down to 1. If you like, I can try and locate exactly where that picture of The Hawks is on the DVD. Seeing that picture brought a smile to my face.

In regards to the Shea Stadium performance, it was filmed in it's entirety as far as I know. I beleieve ABC filmed it. And I believe there's a bootleg of the show too. I must agree that both the picture and sound of the Shea performance are damn near pristine, in light of 1965 technology compared to today. No rush on that list, by the way. Purchasing the Anthology on DVD put me on a Beatles kick to the point that the mono mixes of Rubber Soul, Revolver, Pepper (mono is better than stereo) and White Album have been dug up. And I found a disc I forgot that I had, which contains tracks excluded from the BBC, Anthology 1 and 2 sets. And now...back to The Band.

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Pehr

Picked up the "Moon Struck One" comp of Band songs featuring Richard. I'm really suprised how much I like this CD. It just looked cheap (The cover art)and was cheap, 9.99 or something so I sort of snooted at it just a bit, then broke down and got it. I'm still expecting to hear certain songs after other songs, e.g., "Rag Mama Rag" after "Across the Great Divide"; then I get this visceral kick out of hearing the opening bell of the segue in a fresh way. and geez, what a singer. just to focus on that. As with Mr. Viney "The Moon" is not my favorite bandsong, and I'd replace it with about anything (personally I have a preference to "Right as Rain" just now) still, I've played this record repeatedly, obcessively which I had no idea i'd do, I thiought of it as a stocking stuffer when I picked it up.

Paul G. I've always played JLTT'sBlues using D-G-A. Its comfortable in that form and key for me, and I love the a position for starting on the turn around. The D and A chords can hammer together in alot of interesting combinations. Fun song. Jimmy La Fave has an interesting go of it also. Never heard Lightfoot's version...

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brown eyed girl

BAM: Some of them went out on the road individually and with other outfits in the interim, but apparently it wasn't just the road they missed, but the whole sense of being the Band?

ROBBIE: We would talk about it, and I would just say, "You've got my blessing. I hope that it works really well for you." I never, ever wanted to try and get in the way or prevent it. They'd say "Well listen, can we use this name and everything?" I thought "Of course." It's more up to the audience to figure out, to put a make on that, how they feel about it.

"Suicide" boot by The Beatles....John is talking about American group Motherfuckers?????

Louuuuu's "Perfect Day"....No question about it....Another ultimate....LOVE SONG....

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Rollie

.......well , gee...why didn't you say that in the first place!!!? I have to say, I was waxing fairly philo-pharsical, but that was a 3am post after a healthy night of dark -beer swilling and musicizing. I did like the comparison to Christ!!! I like to set my sights high! Have I mentioned that I was at the Last Waltz?(There, a thread back to the Band)

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Bayou Sam

Todd A - that would explain it. I missed the intro because I was so sick of the number of commercials and left the room for a minute. When I returned, Todd R. was into the song. So it makes sense that he did "Hello It's Me". Now everyone will run out and buy this new live CD, except me. I have a nice comp CD of Runt's stuff, and that's fine.

I'm glad we sorted all that out - now I can sleep tonight.

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Pat Brennan

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John W.

1) Perfect Day - Lou Reed
2) The Power of Love - Frankie Goes to Hollywood
3) You Are Everything - Diana Ross and Marvin Gaye
4) I Don't Want To Talk About It - Rod Stewart
5) If You Don't Know Me By Now - Simply Red
6) Have I Told You Lately That I Love You - Van Morrison
7) Always And Forever - Heat Wave
8) Runaway - The Corrs
9) Time After Time - Cindi Lauper
10) From This Moment On - Shania Twain

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Jack Staw

Subject: Another Love Song (trite but nice, and true I'm sure)

Love will abide
Take things in stride
Sounds like good advice
But there's no one at my side

And time washes clean
Love's wounds unseen
That's what someone told me
But I don't know what it means

Cause I've done everything I know
To try and make you mine
And I think I'm gonna love you
For a long, long time

Caught in my fears
Blinking back the tears
I can't say you hurt me
When you never let me near

And I never drew
One response from you
All the while you fell
Over girls you never knew

And I've done everything I know
To try and make you mine
And I think it's gonna hurt me
For a long, long time

Wait for the day, you go away
Knowing that you warned me
Of the price I'd have to pay

And life's full of loss
Who knows the cost
Living in the memory
Of the love that never was

Cause I've done everything I know
To try and change your mind
And I think I'm gonna miss you
For a long, long time

-L. Ronstadt

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Todd Atkinson

I realized that the "I can't help wondering why...." line was not part of the Todd thought. I was replying to the previous line where you mentioned that you thought is was strange that he did an older song.

In regards to sleep, I heard Letterman's intro for Todd where he held up the cd, and then I fell asleep on the couch before the actual performance. I knew I should have taped it.

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Todd Atkinson

I don't know much about the music business, but is it possible that Levon and the reunited Band, on the 1983 tour, had to pay Robbie royalties in order to perform the songs live? If so, perhaps that could have added to any hard feelings between them. If that is indeed what happened, it could have created a difficult situation. The fans want to hear the hits. Robbie wants to get paid. Levon doesn't want to pay for the privelege of performing songs that he feels were created in a spirit of collaboration.

Even though Levon didn't publicly start talking about the feud untill late 1983, perhaps in hindsight he realized that the "beginning of the end" started just after the Brown album.
Just my speculation....

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...

THERE'S THE TRUTH! DON'T PASS IT UP.

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Bayou Sam

My last post is a bit strange. The "I can't help wondering why...." line was not part of the Todd thought. It was going to be a new thought. The fact fact that I felt the need to post again and explain it just proves that I need to get more sleep.

Mike D. - sounds interesting. I'm reeeeeally going to try and finish off my list. I've got a little free time from work coming up. I'll e-mail you.....I'll have to look for that part in the Beatles Anthology. If you haven't done it yet, check out the disc that starts off with Shea Stadium (I think it's #5) - the footage really is amazingly crisp considering how old it is. I was very impressed with it, and thrilled at how much the anthology showed. Lennon is great in it, and the current memories of the concert by P, G, & R is wonderful too. I'd love to see a DVD released of the whole show, assuming that it was filmed in it's entirety.

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Todd Atkinson

I think that Todd was promoting a live album release from a 1990/1991 tour.
Perhaps that's the reason he didn't perform a newer song.

Entered at Thu Apr 17 17:45:37 CEST 2003 from (12.33.126.130)

John W.

Well this is a prayer for the souls of the departed
Those who've gone and left their babies brokenhearted
This is a prayer for the souls of the departed

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brown eyed girl

I've been searching a long time
For someone exactly like you
I've been travelling all around the world
Waiting for you to come through.
Someone like you makes it
All worth while
Someone like you keeps
Me satisfied. Someone exactly
Like you.

I've been travellin' a hard road
Lookin' for someone exactly like you
I've been carryin' my heavy load
Waiting for the light to come
Shining through.
Someone like you makes it
All worth while
Someone like you keeps
Me satisfied. Someone exactly
Like you.

I've been doin' some soul searching
To find out where you're at
I've been up and down the highway
In all kinds of foreign lands
Someone like you... etc.

I've been all around the world
Marching to the beat of a different
Drum.
But just lately I have
Realised
The best is yet to come.
Someone like you... etc.

The antithesis would of course be "We Will Not Be Lovers" by Mike Scott and The Waterboys Kalervo.....I can't say enough about Mike and the boyzzzzz.....I was lucky to see them in their edgy, soulful and passionate days.....:-D.....Btw....He's a huge Van fan....as is Willy DeVille...and.....

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roz

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Nukes & Fukes

Yea Peter, I left out the rest of the list in respect
for the board. "My link" will take you to the whole list
on a page at Country Joe McDonalds web site. As I've said
several times before, there is a discussion board
there as well that caters to a more political crowd.
That board could use a few more people with a few more
brain cells. Why not check it out and move some of this
political rhetoric over there?

Check it out, copy and paste this to your address window;
http://www.countryjoe.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html

Give the Guest Book a break.

Hey Rozlyn? ... Ain't that painful?

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Mike D.

Sam, I noticed that too. His performance was good but there was something about it that made me wonder. I would've thought he might have done a new song. But I guess it's ok.

Also, I was watching Volume 4 of The Beatles "Anthology" DVD yesterday when I noticed something very interesting. In a sequence that shows a bedroom full of Beatles memorabilia, as well as other pictures and pinups...there is a shot of a picture of The Hawks, all 6 of them. It's the same picture that can be seen in Levon's book as well as here at this site:

http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/levon_and_the_hawks_1964.html

I was geunuinely surprised to see The Hawks in a Beatles special. But it is fitting, in light of George being a fan of The Band when Big Pink was released in 1968. Sam, I got a few Beatles goodies you might be interested in :)

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JTull Fan

Subject: Ros and sunshine

Well, don't turn into Gollum from The Hobbit!

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Bayou Sam

Todd Rundgren (spelling?) was on Letterman last night. He was at the very end and performed "Hello It's Me", and wasn't interviewed. It seemed strange that he only did an old tune and that was it.

I can't help wondering why..........

The above political comment was stopped just in time so as to stick to the idea that we won't let that take over the GB.

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Greg Trelease

Subject: Margie the Midget and Libby Titus

I'm 50 years old and I'm a singing drummer and my interest in The Band was rekindled by The Last Waltz DVD and then Levon's book.

Being a Steely Dan fan I am familiar to the name Libby Titus, thanks to Donald Fagen. Little did I know of her ulustrious past history in the Dylan/Band/Woodstock era. I thought her quotes in Levon's book were hilariously descriptive and witty. (When is her book due out?)

So, I was again surprised as I recorded an LP onto cassette tape last night and read the liner notes. The album is the masterpiece self-titled album from MARTIN MULL back in 1972. This is a hilarious yet very musical LP that I've been into since 1974. I had never noticed that Levon Helm played drums on a few cuts and that Libby Titus is listed as backing vocals. One listen to Margie The Midget and it very clear Levon's "tuned" drums were behind the tune.

Levon - Thank You for all the wonderful music you have given us. My admiration of your determination, your passion, your talent and your love of music grows more everyday.

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rosalind

J-T-F = Web tvs are neat little idems. The thing's about as big as a cigar box and sits comfortably on the VCR directly under the TV. I don't even have to get out of bed. All I have to do is press one button to transfer my thoughts to Band-land. Sunshine hits my senses like a knife in the eye.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Some lyrics on my mind today :)

"Springtime- Is on my mind Flowers blooming all the time Smell the roses, smell the grass Old Man Winter Can kiss my ass!" "Don't you think that It's a pity Don't you think that It's a shame Don't you wish that Every season were the same?" -Spinal Tap

Entered at Thu Apr 17 15:43:57 CEST 2003 from (66.200.102.19)

JTull Fan

Subject: Rosalind

Rosalind: It's spring time. Turn off the tv, turn off the computer, and go get some fresh air.

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paulg

Subject: Just like Tom Thum

David. Many thanks. I pretty well have the song down. Not decided on what key as yet. The Lightfoot version appears to be the same as Dylan. shineonpaulg

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rosalind

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John Cass

Subject: developments on another feud in the music biz

The other day I was looking through Pollstar and was shocked to see Joe Cocker and Leon Russell on the same bill in Oklahoma City on 4-21-03 & 4-22-03 and Cocker who is out headlining his own tour will be opening for Leon...

I am a big Cocker & Russell fan loved Mad Dogs and Englishmen (actually like it more than Last Waltz) and from what I read Joe and Leon hate each other from I guess the Mad Dog days Joe thinking Leon was trying to steal the show or whatever happened... I would love to see if they will share the stage for a few just like the old days... I have a feeling Cocker will bring the house down giving a little extra to show Leon that he is no match for him..

anybody in the Gb know anything about this reunion??

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Sofus

I got the Last Waltz DVD and have seen it a couple of times the last week. And my favourite movie is still The Blues Brothers. The Last Waltz constantly focuses on Robbie. And instead of seeing his guitar and his playing on the solos, we get too see his face, full of make-up. I have Levon's book, and it had many more hours of enjoyment. The worst thing about The Last Waltz though, was the complete lack of Richard. I think we had something like 5 longer shots of Richard in total. The movie had it's highlights, but it was like The Robbie Movie, not to say anything bad about him, but it's nice to sometimes see the singer instead of the guitar player, if you know what I mean.

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Peter Viney

Band link (for those who wondered what the f**k John Tavener had to do with it): The John Tavener handbells piece I heard yesterday is called Last Sleep of the Virgin. I got a CD of it today by the Chilingirian Quartet. The leader’s name is Levon Chilingirian. So where did he get it and why? Also, the sleeve advises “This track should be played at a barely audible level.” Which is different from the PLAY LOUD one! Is Ragtime around to enlighten us?

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Brien Sz

As for your ideal that you would suffer so others may live on -well, how shall i put this - that's mighty Christ of you. I'd like to be able to share that sentiment with you but the culture I've grown up in has progrgammed me that I should speak freely and live a cozy existence in comparison to most third world countries. So if it really comes down to my way of life at the expense of innocents, so be it. If that sucks, well, too bad. That's life or at least someone elses ;)

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Rollie

This has nothing to do with conspiracy. It's a simple yes or no question. Do you believe we have the right to kill little kids and their families , as long as we have our oil? You,ve evaded the main thrust of the issue.I'm not passing judgement here(hooray , you say )although I'm more inclined to go down with the ship, the ship being the well being of my fellow man. But I understand , It's all talk until push comes to shove. Are we in a fight for the very survival of our economic and energy foundations,ie:our lifeline? If we are , we have to face the fact that at some point, our supplies (of oil) will run out. What then? Who dies next? Is there a better way? Should we try to find it sooner or later? Just asking..........keep a good thought , we're gonna need it............

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Peter Viney

You can make the scrolling problem less painful
by inserting line breaks rather than paragraph breaks
Thus keeping lines of a short length. Type a 'backslash'
and a "b" at the end of each line.
It's like a paragraph break (backslash + n) but doesn't
insert the empty line of space.

I don't see what relevance the list of five nuclear countries
was but you missed out India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea
plus it's assumed South Africa once had them, but has no
longer. They were supposed to have developed them with
Israel which explained mysterious explosions in the Indian
Ocean at the time.

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Markku (Quos)

did anyone in Europe receive the Last Waltz limited edition vinyl from Rhino? How long did the shipping take for you? I ordered mine in mid-February, my card was credited, they say it was shipped the same day, but I have not seen it yet (2 months should be more than enough).

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Dave Hopkins

Levon Helm plays on Rufus Wainwright's (son of Loudon Wainwright and Kate McGarrigle) latest album, scheduled for release in the fall (see link). It's being produced by Marius deVries, who, as some of you no doubt remember, has collaborated musically in the past with a guy who also happens to be Wainwright's A&R man at Dreamworks Records...no prizes for guessing the name...

I guess this is as close to a "reunion" as we can expect!

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Rolling Reading

You know, if you have a mouse with a wheel on it, you can lock the wheel and move the mouse around in a circle, taking in several posts at a time ... around and up and down ..... he-he .....

Damn ... I'm doin it again arn't I ... ?

Sorry ... I'm going to bed now

Everything looks kinda funny ...

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Ed Voci

Subject: If it's Gourd enough for Todd....

Interview snippett with Todd Rungren:

"RS: What are you listening to these days?

"TR: Well I listen to music that I hear occasionally that I enjoy. I did discover something I liked when I was on the road. It was a band called The Gourds from Austin, Texas. Ostensibly they're a country band but they don't do country songs. Well they (laughter) do do country songs but they do some non country songs in such a peculiar way that they really appeal to me...."

----from mwe3.com

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Bobby Jones

If Robbie had his way you would have seen the Danko,Helm, Hudson,Manuel Band Reunion. Public Record in Los Angeles 1983.

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Charlie Young

I just tried to post a message about a great concert last night with Richard and Linda Thompson's only son, Teddy, opening for Rosanne Cash, but couldn't due to technical problems. It was a wonderful show and I may post more about it later. Go see them if you can.

In the meantime, click the link for the great new issue of "The Onion." This place needs some comic relief and it will change those tears of rage to tears of laughter...

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Tiny Monster

Subject: LSD

I must be having flashbacks, the website has gotten so
big, it no longer fits on my computer screen. Far out.

Did I just say that out loud?
Or was that you? ....
Thanks ...

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Brien Sz

Yes - but only if there was an elaborate conspiracy concocted and executed flawlessly;)

Maybe in retropsect Operation Iraqi Freedom should have been called Operation Badges? We don't need no stinkin' Badges!

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Jon

Subject: Double posts

Sorry about the double posts. Bad Karma.

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Jon

Subject: LSD

I must be having flashbacks, the website has gotten so big, it no longer fits on my computer screen. Far out.

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Jon

Subject: LSD

I must be having flashbacks, the website has gotten so big, it no longer fits on my computer screen. Far out.

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Rod

I know this subjects been done to death but I still find it interesting as it's one of the few mysteries left about The Band. If I had time I'd love to complile a list of quotes from various members (mainly Levon) that would help pin point when this whole thing started. I agree with Pat that it was probably around '83. What was happenning then? The Band reunion, the Between Train's recording and probably other bit's and pieces.

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Lil Again

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Lifeboy

Didn't realise that would happen!

Sorry Lil

X

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Lil

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Lifeboy

ARSE!!!

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Tiny Monster

Subject: WOMB ... er ... D

Countries with Nuclear Weapons Capability

#1. U.S.
HISTORY Set off first nuclear blast in 1945.
Has conducted 1,030 tests, more than the rest of the world combined.
ARSENAL 12,070 warheads.
MISSILE RANGE 8,100 mi. (13,000 km),
able to reach anywhere in the world

2# BRITAIN
HISTORY First test in 1952;
has performed 45 in all
ARSENAL 380 warheads.
RANGE 7,500 mi. (12,000 km)

#3. FRANCE
HISTORY Testing since 1961;
210 tests in all. Conducted six controversial tests
ARSENAL 500 warheads.
RANGE 3,300 mi. (5,300 km)

#4. RUSSIA
HISTORY Second to conduct tests;
715 in all. Once a major player in arms race,
ARSENAL 22,500 warheads.
RANGE 6,800 mi. (11,000 km)

#5. CHINA
HISTORY Started testing in 1964;
45 tests in all.
Known to be helping Pakistan with its nuclear efforts.
ARSENAL 450 warheads.
RANGE 6,800 mi. (11,000 km)

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Rollie

Would I be off base then Brien, in regards to your post, in saying that you believe it's okay to kill innocent people , so long as we have our oil?

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Kay

Subject: curiosity and WMD

Bones: Most of us are sometimes curious about things that are not our business. But truth really is stranger than fiction and conjecture doesn't get you there.

JTull: Los Alamos National Lab owns part of the US chem/bio research and it is all threat reduction. The offensive weapons work was discontinued in the 70s. For example, we identified the strain of anthrax used in the post 9/11 incidents. You can't tell scientists to stop thinking about how something COULD be done, but no weapons are being designed or developed.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: ... ? ...

... I'm sorry, did sombody say something ... ? ...

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roz

Sorry I posted so much, I have the day off.

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Pat Brennan

Of course it is impossible to get inside either man's head and know what really went on etc. However, it is possible to check the contemporaneous written record and clarify for yourselves certain salient facts about the thing.

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rosalind

Boy, that stuff is bad for ya man. I can get nearly the same efect by mixi ... nevermind.

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Bennie

Thanks Crabgrass for the pictures of the JWB.One of my favorite bands. Good guitar playing, and I love that singing ryhthm section. As far as I'm concerned the SF finding sweethearts like Abu Abbas under Hussein's protection in Baghdad is like finding weapons of mass destruction.

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Jack Straw

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Tiny Monster

Subject: LSD

It is reported that today is the day Albert Hoffman first dosed himself with the drug, d-lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate, most popularly known as LSD.

I think I speak for most of us here when I say;

... *Thank You Uncle Albert* ...

Band related ? ... You tell me ...

Cheers and Trails ...

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Peter Viney

Sorry … at the risk of lowering the tone disgracefully … but I just couldn’t resist. DZ suggests that Stevie Nicks could have replaced Robbie in the reformed Band. So if that had happened, who would have drawn the short straw? Or would a longer straw have been preferable? Would it have been Butch’s job? And would it be the best job or worst job you ever had?

My admiration for Stevie Nick’s singing is unbounded, and I greatly look forward to the new album – I think it’s the 28th in the UK. And for the record, she roundly denies the rumour. And I believe her, but … ah, well, it’s a change from politics.

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continued ...

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Peter Viney

Wittgenstein – I thought it was a well-written and amusing article. It mentioned Karl Denver’s version of Wimoweh, which was horrendous. I guess you know my opinion of Pete Seeger.

For the Brits: Van is playing the Larmertree pre-festival open air gig on 11th July. It’s in an 18th century garden near Cranborne, Dorset. Capacity is only about 1000. Call 023 8071 1820 for tickets, or online at www.larmertree.co.uk but be quick- the last two Van shows there sold out in days. Tickets are £29. It’s a beautiful venue, about 25 miles north of Bournemouth. Hope to see some of you there! Van plays it because he lives near. Jools Holland is on the 17th July too, opening the festival proper – Ron Sexsmith is at the main festival over the weekend, as is the Oysterband and Jackie Leven (Band connection there).

Music – it’s great when you see something totally out of your experience and known styles of music and it’s magic. I went to see a John Tavener piece, ‘Maya Atma’ premiered in a small studio theatre with John Tavener introducing. I only bought a ticket (at only £5.60 or $8) because I remembered that he was the first Apple classical artist with The Whale. Otherwise, I was totally ignorant. There were six pieces, five with a soprano, with Tavener on piano on one. The premiere was violin, soprano and percussion. About 200 seats and sold out months ago. One long piece was handbells and string quartet. It’s easy to forget how wonderful natural unamplified instruments sound in a small room. Totally magic.

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Norbert

HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!

Easter film tip for all GB teachers: "Etre et avoir" by Nicolas Philibert.

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Jack Straw

Subject: You Want Music ?

"There's a big, brown cloud in the city, And the countryside's a sin. An' the price of life is too high to give up, Gotta come down again. When the world wide war is over and done, And the dream of peace comes true. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up Eatin' that rainbow stew.

When they find out how to burn water, and the gasoline car is gone. When an airplane flies without any fuel, And the satellite heats our home. One of these days when the air clears up, and the sun comes shinin' through. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up, An' eatin' that rainbow stew. Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon, Underneath that sky of blue. All be drinkin' free bubble-up, An' eaten' that rainbow stew.

You don't have to get high to get happy, just think about what's in store. When people start doin' what they oughta be doin', then they won't be booin' no more. When a President goes through the White House door,an' does what he says he'll do. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up, Eatin' that rainbow stew. Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon, Underneath that sky of blue. We'll all be drinkin' that free bubble-up, Eatin' some rainbow stew."

Merle Haggard

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rosalind

I got a feelin' that Levon didn't like the fact that he and the boys went from the top of the heap, making records for the world, making a little money to enjoy their lives with, eating in the best restaurants, driving neat cars, and so forth to playing the Chitlin deal once again. He saw what was happening to Richard and it tore him to pieces inside. Robbie sittin' out there, Hollywood pals by his side, drivin' that black BMW around and being heralded as the brains behind the Band, the King-Pin while Levon, Rick, Richard and Garth worked their asses off on the road in litte two-bit clubs, the sawdust and vomit crowd. I can understand Levon's anger. I'm suprised he didn't blow Robbie's head off. I guess he kinda did .... and it was legal too

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David Powell

Paulg: Off the top of my head, the song is basically:

G -- C
C -- G
G -- C
C -- G
C -- G (don't put on any airs when you're down...)
D -- G (they've got some hungry women there...)

I can't remember Lightfoot's version. You can add some transitional chords and change the key or use a capo. There's an intro I can't remember without a guitar handy.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Dylan Acoustic & Electric

When Dylan first toured with an electric band in '65 and '66 he sought to please his folk fans by doing the first half of the concerts solo acoustic thereby easing the transition for those who needed it. Folkie performers who initially criticized Dylan's move eventually followed his visionary lead and recruited electric bands as well.

I saw him at Forest Hills in August of '65 and again in '66 just before his accident and recall not really liking his electric re-dos of "It Ain't Me Babe," "Baby, Let Me Follow You Down," and "One Too Many Mornings" though I liked the electric stuff from Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited, and Blond On Blond.

The assessment recently posted about the booing being minimal is accurate. Most hardcore Dylan fans went along with his trip from the start - and most of the rest later caught up.

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rosalind

Was that "Hair-Piece"or Hair-Peace" written on the wall behind that dead guy? Talk about karma ... I always heard that bad karma was suppose to draw bad karma. Is that true? I guess it was true in at least one case, huh?

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Brien Sz

Oil is Freedom!

It must be because many people here seem to think that is our real goal. I'm not going to argue that point. Besides, to a point I agree and have no problem with it. Oil is big business for this country and much of the world. Controlling oil makes our world a safer place. Just imagine if our oil supplis were held ransom. That could cripple us in so many ways. It could threaten our cozy way of life - now you wouldn't want that to happen would you? Who knows what could happen if our oil supply was seriously threatened. A crippled economy, a dollar in shambles, a fifteen dollar value meal - I mean its outrageous, let alone the civil disorder that would take place. I can only imagine the extent to which our liberites could be threatened. Could you imagine, if you Eric, could disappear in the middle of the night because of your internet posting rants. Don't laugh - it happens in other countries.

Eric, you should give thanks to oil, for it affords you the opportunity to bitch and moan without repercussion. We should indeed be thankful for Oil. All praise its rich thick blackness! For Oil is what makes us free! Oil is Freedom - so let freedom ring!

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David Powell

In the words of John Hiatt, the best weapon is perhaps a "Telecaster through a Vibrolux turned up to ten". A perfectly good guitar & amp -- Lock & load, hunker down on the road to Memphis.

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paulg

Subject: DAVID 'Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues'

David, I have pretty well figured out 'Crazy Mama'

Any idea where I might get the sheet music or just chords for 'Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues'?

I particularily like the Gordon Lightfoot version. I have the Lyrics but no chords.

shineonpaulg

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rosalind

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JTull Fan

Subject: Well, I AM rooting for David Cone's comeback...

On the WMD issue, the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty was an agreement among the nuclear powers (U.S., U.S.S.R., Britain, France, and China I think) that they would permit each other nuclear weapons but not allow them to spread to other countries, and signees to the treaty agreed not to develop or obtain them, with the rational that once the nuclear genie is out of the bag, it could never be returned, but having 5 large, stable governments in possession of them would provide some degree of international security against rogue states or 1 or 2 states becoming dominant due to sole possession of them. So there is internation legal basis for U.S. possession of nuclear weapons, at least. In terms of the other crap, if we have them we should destroy them as they cannot and should not ever be used, except to research ways to protect against them.