The Band Guestbook, August 2002

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JIM CREAMER

Subject: RICK DANKO

RICK DANKO MADE GREAT MUSIC WHENEVER I WATCH THE LAST WALTZ I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK WHAT A LOSS I LOVE RICK DANKO HIS MUSIC WILL ALWAYS BE IN MY HEART.

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Calvin

Yes Ritchie that does help. I'm looking forward to seeing McGuinn, but I was unsure if I would if he was playing just Wolf's Den material. I'm glad so many have also heard Hilman and Pederson's efforts (Together and with the Rice Brothers) and have enjoyed them as much as I have-it's somewhat comical that all of a sudden Border's and stores of their ilk have "bluegrass" sections because that is the "hot" music of the moment-completely ignoring the fact quality music will find an audience, it isnt as if next year no one will be buying CDs by anyone associated with O Brother Where Art Thou because "It's soooo last year." I always felt the Hillman/McGuinn Byrds, and the McGuinn led Byrds got the short end of the stick praise wise, and Gram Parsons as great as he was got too much for his Byrds work to their detriment. For my Money if he had lived Clarence White would have made quite a name for himself in the music Biz and Gene Parsons is clearly a superior musician than Mike Clarke. I've always suspected they are looked down on because of the comments David Crosby has made over the years about the Byrds going on after he and both the Clark(e)s had left the group. I would loved to have seen Rick and Richard with Gene's Byrds tribute Band. I always though Gene Clark showed an awful lot of respect for his groups history by not touring as the Byrds when the "group" had 2 original members, a 3rd member who had been an official member, and 2 other guys in SNeaky Pete and Rick Roberts who played on Byrds Albums. Somebody mentioned favorite voices early. For me Rick, Gene Clark and Richie Furay would form my Mt. Rushmore. That 4th would be tough, matters on the mood I guess. I dont mean to be obtuse here, but earlier in this Byrds discussion someone mentioned their favorite all time voices were Rick, Richard, Levon, Gene Clark, Richie Furay and Larry Thurston-Im afraid I cant place the name-can someone give me a hand here, because given my affection for the other 5 names on this list Im thinking he'd be worth a listen for me.

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Louis Brewer lbmax8@hotmail.com

Subject: The Band on AMC

Hi folks I enjoyed the show on AMC here in Savannah last night ,it was great.Man you guys are great, to get to play with so many people blue country rock ,and yalls sound.I am a big Allman brothers fan .I lived in Macon Ga for 41 years.I use to see the Brothers everywhere.Well anyway what menories you guys brought back.

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paul godfrey

Subject: Did the Hawk Graduate?

No...Ronnie Hawkins did not graduate from University of Arkansas as he might of in his last year 1957...instead music was on his mind and he followed Conway Twitty to the "Promised Land" CANADA.

Don't be surprised to hear of a Farewell Tour to match up with the release of his new CD.

shineonpaulg

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Amanda

I am really enjoying this AMC rock and roll thing. Thanks for mentioning it, Matt K. We are flooding here in the Lowcountry, so this is a perfect movie weekend. I just finished viewing Hail Hail Rock-n-Roll. I had never seen this film before. When Eric Clapton came on and began performing, one of my 2-year old sons kept saying, "Go Levon", "Look at Levon" and "Levon, you pretty." I guess Clapton's beard reminded him of Levon. Too funny...and cute.

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Peter Viney

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Don

Subject: The Last Waltz

I just saw the movie for the first time on AMC last night. It has to be one of the greatest filmed concerts of all time. I was never a big fan ( I am buying my 1st "Band" CD though) but the movie was great!

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Fred

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Fred

The Best of Celine Dion..hehehehe..that was funny!!

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Fred

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Empty Now

Subject: site under construction

Test your musical culture: Give the title of the 2nd album of Celine Dion. The Answer: Best of Celine Dion.

OK stop kidding.

There is a new website under construction at URL:

http://www.robbierobertson.com

You can connect on using the link above.

I'll be grateful to any of the fantastic users of this guestbook for giving further informations about the new website. Does it concern THE Robbie Robertson?

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Peter Viney

After yesterday's news that Tony Blair strapped on a Stratocaster and played for two hours at a party in France (singing Blueberry Hill and That'll Be The Day), I think Mr Clinton has ulterior motives in inviting Robbie and Levon to dinner. They're going to form a supergroup - Robbie on lead, Levon on drums / mandolin, Tony Blair on rhythm / vocals and Bill Clinton on saxophone. The question of a bass player still hangs in the air of course, but hopefully Jan, Ilkka or Bassmanlee can round out the group. I guess there'll be a major task in dealing with the groupies with Bill on board. But hey, maybe that's the purpose of the exercise :-)

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Ragtime

(Can anybody tell me what's actually wrong with our good friend Norbert?)

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Joe

Happy B'day to "Van the Man"!!!

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Jeff

There has been alot of discussion about Chris Hillman as of late, and deservedly so. Chris is now, has always been, and always will be a major musical talent both as a performer and as a songwriter. The Band connections are too numerous to mention them all. The most personal and significant for me are thru Gene Clark. Gene and Rick Danko once shared an apartment in New York City together, and apparently their friendship lasted through their lifetimes. In 1985 i had the good fortune to witness a 2 day run of an incredible show at the old Lone Star. Listen to this lineup: Rick Roberts, Jon York, Sneaky Pete, Michael Clarke, Gene Clark, Blondie Chaplin,Rick and Richard. That was an incredible show, just one of many low key extravaganzas that the Rick and Richard Show found a home in and left their indelible musical, comedic, and overwhelmingly individual marks on. I remember an amazing "Shape I'm In", and of course Rick's bass sound, Richard's piano, and both their harmony voices just embellishing the songs all night, both nights.Someone remind me, did I start out talking about Chris Hillman?

Yeah, another multinstrumentalist who, like our friends in the Band, also is a great singer and has contributed in a significant manner to the styles of American music that we so love. Chris has also been a member of many great songwriting teams, that not only wote great tunes, but some also formed new hybrids of sound. While he wrote a few in the Byrds, he came in to his own as Gram Parsons main collaborator in The Flying Burrito Brothers. When Parsons split the band, and was replaced by Rick Roberts, Chris and Rick formed a formidable songwriting team of their own.Some of their songs may be found on the Burrito Bros. album that "White Line Fever" was on, i believe that was a 72 release, others are on a double album that A&M put out of a compilation from 68 to 72.

After the Burritos, Hillman played a significant role as the cornerstone in Manassass with Stephen Stills. Fuzzy Samuels played bass, so just like he did in the early Burrito days, Hillman moved over to the 2nd guitar and mandolin slot. He is one helluva mandolin player, and has been since his youth. Then came Souther,Hillman, and Furay (my favorite voices are, have always been, and always will be Richard,Levon, Rick,Richard, Gram,Parsons, Richie Furay, and Larry Thurston), and once again Chris played the role of the talented, relatively quiet but equally solid musical cornerstone in a crazy situation. Then came a string of solo albums that saw the beginning of his songwriting collaboration with Crawdaddy magazine editor/writer Peter Knobler. Remember "Step On Out'? Can any one remember if that was the first song they published together, or did one make the last SHF album?

Desert Rose, I think was the first solo album of Chris' that Herb Pedersen played a large role in, playing rhythm and singing harmony on most of the tracks. And that led to the Desert Rose Band. After the second Desert Rose Band Album I kind of lost touch with Chris' career. I do remember just loving the live shows, and the songwriting on both the first two albums, but being a little let down by the third. Any way, thanks to all the guest bookers who have helped remind me of all the great live and recorded music that Hillman has made that has helped get me thru life. I have seen countless shows that he has been in, and the man is both top notch as a musician and an entertainer. He is a class act, and so is Herb Pedersen. I have never seen a show of theirs that failed to deliver.

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Renee' Edwards Spears

Subject: The Last Waltz on AMC

What a show!! What great memories...Long live The Band.

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Leonard R. Webber

Subject: "The Last Waltz" (1978)

I just watched "The Last Waltz" on AMC. Man, that's the way God intended for rock 'n roll to be! What a great BAND!

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Bob Emu

Subject: More ABB

I thought this was a Band guestbook, but, hey, if you need to know ABB facts, I'm here to help, y'all.

To Richie from the UK, the Allmans have put out just four new albums since "Shades of Two Worlds", The first was 1992's "An Evening With The ABB", a live album. Then came 1994's "Where It All Begins", a studio album. This was followed by 1995's "2nd Set", another live album. Five years later was the contract fulfilling "Peakin' At The Beacon", yet another live album, and their last album with Betts.

Earlier this year, they formed their own, independent label, in order to release vintage live performances and future studio records. To date, just one vintage performance has been released. No new studio albums, supposedly one's in the works. BTW, since Dickey Betts left in June 2000, he's put out 2 new albums, IMO both of them are great. Both are available from dickeybetts.com.

To Bayou Sam, I think you're thinking of the RETT benefit concert. CDs are available through the RETT website (rett.com). The concert's from 1992, after the boxed set was released. That's the only released all-acoustic performance from the early-90s era Allmans that I know of.

Maybe somebody can help me with a question about the Band. Call me crazy, but I can't hear Richard on "Theme From The Last Waltz". I know he plays dobro, but I don't think I hear it... is it audible?

PS: Did Robertson edit that 4-CD "deluxe" boxed set of TLW way down or what? And where was "Georgia On My Mind"? And the full length version of "The Genetic Fever / Chest Fever"? And the full length of the jams? Can anybody let me know?

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gilberta iman

Don, I can't beleive there's another FUV devotee in the "audience". Martin Sexton, a great friend of the station, will be at The Bearsville Theater in October. What a thrill if Rita Houston could be on hand to introduce him ! Happy Birthday Van-Baby. Love you most of all. I've had "Healing Game" playing for two days. That time of year, I suppose. Norbert...feel good

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Dave Z

Alright Mr. President Clinton, here's your chance... I voted for your magic... use it... to heal... Anyway, tonight it's Dr. A's Secret Remedies for me... and some ultramarine blue...

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Webmaestro

Subject: Hi CyberBuddy!

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Fred

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Bayou Sam

Norbert - get well soon

It's funny, all the recent Allman Brothers talk in here. I've been burning an Allman's CD box set for a friend - and I've enjoyed listening to some of those real early recordings when they were The Allman Joys (good move, dumping that name), and other early stuff. They did alot of blus covers that bands like the Yardbirds and Cream were doing....There was an unplugged type of show that I stumbled upon one night a while ago where Greg, Dicky, and maybe Warren Haynes, were sitting on tall stools playing acoustic guitars. I wish I had taped it, but there was a really nice slower tune that Dicky sang - I can't remember any of the words, but it kind of stuck in my head. I always thought that I would track it down again, but I haven't. I figured that the odds were pretty good that it would appear on this 4-cd set that I was burning - but no. So maybe it's a solo Bett's tune?....If any of you folks who are well versed in the ABB have any clue what the hell song it is I'm trying to nail down, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

NO BASEBALL STRIKE - YAY! - GO YANKEES.

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Me

Subject: Ronnie Hawkins

Check out the London Ontario paper. Go to the link Click on "The Hawk...".

Wouldn't it be something if Ronnie's fading would bring Levon and Robbie to at least talk. They seem to be both invited to Hawk's dinner party.

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Don Pugatch

Subject: Van Da Man

Today on FUV is Van day, since tomorrow is Da Man's birthday. Thinking back about 4 years ago, I had the pleasure of seeing Van, when he toured with Dylan at the Theater at Madison Sq. Garden. Not only was that weekend special, we stayed at our favorite hotel, The Marriott at the World Trade Center, listened to WNEW, live, before it changed to the trash it is now, and when I think how much the world has changed , I can look back at that weekend, and realize how fortuate I was. Happy Birthday Van, when are you coming back to the US?

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richie

Subject: roger mcguinn

dear calvin. i saw roger mcguinn 2 months ago at a gig in wales. the majority of the set was byrds material. the rest was folk den material. the gig was excellent. i hope this helps. richie.

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Peter Viney

The Record Collector poll of “most collectable 500 artists 2002” sees The Band slip from last years #244 to this year’s #349. The Beatles, for the 20th year running, are #1. The Top 10 has 9 of the same artists as last year (The Kinks have just edged The Beach Boys out). However, the poll is slewed by offering a prize for predicting the top ten in order, which means there must be a tendency to vote for the bleeding obvious. So my #1 for The Band either counted for nought, or maybe it’s just that one #1 vote gets you to #349. Hang on, but I forgot to post my vote so that can’t be right. Either they’re not very collectable (which means my promise to my kids that my Band collection would eventually be worth at least a million was untrue) or those who collect now have everything.

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bassmanlee

Herb Pedersen has also done some touring in the banjo chair with "Old & In The Grey", which consists of David Grisman, Peter Rowan, Vassar Clemens, Herb, & a bassist. I was lent a rather noisy audience tape from a gig earlier this year. Pretty good stuff. There's supposed to be a disk out on Grisman's Acoustic Disk soon.

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Calvin

While we are mentioning an ex-Byrd, does anyone know what kind of concerts Mcguin is giving? I'm thinking of seeing him in November, but I'm unsure if I'd go if he is only doing his folk songs from the last decade. Is he doing any Byrds or 70s stuff?

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Amanda

Get Well! Be back soon! Are you recuperating in your French château? I had to install a new hard drive and lost your email addresses. Take care.

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BWNWITennessee

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David Powell

Subject: Hillman / Pedersen

NORBERT, GET WELL! BE BACK SOON!

I agree Calvin -- Chris Hillman & Herb Pedersen are fantastic together. "Bakersfield Bound" & the recent follow up "Way Out West" are two great albums. They've also recorded three albums with Tony & Larry Rice that are also worth checking out -- the self-titled "Rice, Hillman, Pedersen & Rice", "Out of the Woodwork" and "Running Wild".

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Calvin

My Mistake Sam, Sugar, Sugar by the Archies was 1969, not 1968. Byt my point remains the same, it was the No 1 single of the year during the late 60s, bubblegum has always outsold quality music-it isnt a new thing. But thanks for the correction, Happy Birthday to Donna, and while we are at it to me as well. But a few years past my 29th. If anyone hasnt checked them out the Neo-Bluegrass Albums Chris Hillman of Byrds fame has been doing with Herb Pederson from the Dilliards, in various incarnations, are excellent, give them a listen if you can. And is anyone going to be at the Crowmatix show in Cleveland on the 5th of September?

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David Powell

Subject: AMC Rock Marathon

Thanks MattK for the heads-up on TLW. AMC will be airing a marathon of rock music movies this weekend -- "3 Decades of Rock Rolled into 3 Days of Movies" Aug. 30 thru Sept. 1. TLW is scheduled to be shown Saturday afternoon and early Sunday morning as well as tonight. Check www.amctv.com for complete marathon schedule.

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Ilkka

Subject: Our gb friend Norbert

A serious post.

To all gb regulars: it wouldn't hurt... and it wouldn't cost too much... to write in your next post the following line:

NORBERT, GET WELL! BE BACK SOON!

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MattK

Bones, Charlie,

Have you guys checked out the Hogwaller Ramblers from down C'Ville way? Killer neo-grass band that also covers Dylan and the Stones. I know they put out a self-produced CD a couple years back (on Dave Matthew's dime, btw - he's very supportive of local musicians down there...or used to be). Great record, with a hilarious song about falling in love with a woman with ADD.

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MattK

EOM

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MattK

The Boston Globe claims American Movie Classics is airing the restored version of TLW, tonight, Friday 10 PM 8/31/02 as part of their Film Preservation Festival. Theme this year is rock-and-roll films. Ziggy and the Spiders along with Gimme Shelter will be on this weekend. Check local listings.

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Amanda

Happy Birthday to you, Donna!! I wish you a whole lot of gladness.

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BIFFALO BULL

DAVID SPADE HOSTED A MUSICAL TV SPECIAL ABOUT 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO. THE ENCORE WAS A PERFORMANCE OF THE WEIGHT. IT FEATURED STEVE WINWOOD ON THE ORGAN, SHERYL CROW ON ACCORDIAN, THE WALLFLOWERS AND JAMES TAYLOR. YOUR FAVOURITE DRUMMER WAS INTRODUCED AS THE GREAT LEVON HELM. LEVON SANG AND PLAYED THE MANDOLIN. TWAS A PRETTY GOOD RENDITION.

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Dave Z

Empty Now: Or is it "Don't Ya Tell Henry."

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Yazooman

Godel ? Escher ? Bach ?

how ? when ? why ?

:(

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Empty Now

Subject: Gödlel-Esher-Bach revisited

Entertainment - Test your musical culture:

In which Dylan's song, are asked some fundamental questions, whose formulation is a hopeless report about the human race fate, and whose nobody ever can respond accurately and in a convincing manner ?

The answer is blowin' in the wind.

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John Cass

Subject: Dickey Betts & Levon

sorry I got the name mixed up..

Thanks Dave for the info..

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John Cass

Subject: Dickey Betts & Levon

Thanks Dan for the info..

Last time I saw the Dickey Betts Band they had a young guy looked about in his mid twenties who played keyboards and sang a killer blues tune.. I wonder if he is still with them..

I had a buddy of mine burn me some music the other day and he added The Weight on it, it was a live version with Levon, Jacob Dylan, and S Crow... anyone know when that was recorded??? it was great to hear Levon singing again... that man is the greatest... just the sound of his voice brings a smile to my face.. made my day

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Diamond Lil

Happy Birthday to the one who's hit 29 before me! You'll have to tell me what it's like :-)
Safe trip today. See you later!

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richie

Subject: the allmans

nice to read about the allmans. their early 90's comeback album shades of 2 worlds is excellent. what have they done since. have they still got a record deal. shame about dickey betts not being there. the book midnight riders is a good read for anyone wanting to know more about the allmans. it only goes as far as the studo album after shades of 2 worlds. any up to date info would be great. id rather hear it from a fan than a website.

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Bumbles

Subject: R. Hawkins

Thanks for the Ronnie Hawkins link. At least the Toronto papers have the facts straight. Unlike today’s New York “Daily News,” which introduced a short item about his cancer thusly: “Ronnie Hawkins, who backed up Bob Dylan as part of the Band, has been diagnosed with cancer.” Very interesting about that private dinner with President Clinton AND Levon Helm given the latter’s recent Republican fund-raising activities (albeit at the Ulster County level) and some of his (admittedly second-hand) comments about our 42nd president that have appeared in the guestbook. It takes a big man to admit he’s wrong. One question about that “Sun” story, though: Ronnie Hawkins isn’t really a graduate of the University of Arkansas, is he?

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Rick S.

Subject: Birthday Greetings

Happy 29th Birthday on Friday to Donna From Philly! Happy Birthday on September 3rd to Ruby! These "Trouble Twins" bring a lot of laughs to each Road Warrior trip. Plus they know their music. Many happy returns from Rick and Pat.

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Stand On Guard for Ronnie

Subject: website

http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/aug29_ronnie-sun.html Canoe article on Ronnie's surgery and recovery.

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rosalind

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Stand On Guard for Ronnie

Subject: Keep up the Fight!

A big Shout Out to Ronnie Hawkins. You can beat this thing! Positive Thinking will get you through, and you always have been a very positive person. Kick Cancer's ASS RON!!

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Charlie Young

Subject: Bones' Levon Story & Live Archives (Like Zappa)

Hey Bones: thanks for that great story about Levon and the guys in Charlottesville in the '90s. I know that Tracks was the club that helped the Dave Matthews Band get their start, and apparently there are excellent tapes of some of their early shows from that venue in wide circulation. I wonder if soundboard recordings of those gigs by The Band are around. Anyone?

Speaking of live recording archives, I just received the first of a new series of live recordings put out directly by Frank Zappa's widow Gail. Like Frank, Gail apparently is a marketing genius. Her online and mail order company, Barfko-Swill (see link above) started taking advance orders for the Zappa live in Australia, 1976 disc way back in March, with the promise that all those that pre-ordered the disc in advance of the print date would have their name included on a list packaged with the two-disc set. What a great and original idea. Now if those of us who "bought stock" in the project could only get some royalties based on future sales. The label name Gail created for the series is also clever--VAULTernative RECORDS. I wish her well with the concept and hope that there are many more high quality releases. Her late husband's cinder block vaults are legendary. I wish there were a treasure trove of soundboard tapes of The Band out there waiting for some sort of similar release.

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David Powell

Subject: Dickey Betts

John: The current Great Southern band is a different lineup with one exception, guitarist "Dangerous" Dan Toler. Dan played in the original Great Southern group in addition to stints with the Allman Brothers Band and Gregg Allman.

I believe the decision to dismiss Dickey from ABB was made by Gregg, Butch & Jaimoe. Everyone in the group seems to be travelin' in separate buses and tryin' behave nowadays. As in many bands, there seems to have been a long history of personality clashes if you know what I mean.

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John Cass

Subject: Gregg Allman

I can't understand how Gregg Allman could kick Dickey Betts out of the ABB for drinking and drugging to much... did Gregg somehow forget he is GREGG ALLMAN.. hardly the poster boy for healthy lifestyles... I still think Gregg is the man... but Dicky must of been like "Your Kidding Me!!"

I have seen the Dicky Betts band a few times and I think they are a cool band.. I think Dicky went from calling them The Dicky Betts Band to now he is Dicky Betts & Great Southern... anyone know if it is the same members as Great Southern that he released those albums with in the 1970's???

all us Red Sox fans pray for a strike... 9 games behind those Yanks... can't handle this BS anymore... who needs baseball...football is coming up soon enough!!

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Bones

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David Powell

Subject: Allman Brothers Band

Hank & Bob have mentioned the Allman Brothers' song from "Win, Lose or Draw". I just thought I'd point out a few things from the perspective of someone who followed the group from their beginning.

After the deaths of Duane Allman on 10/29/71 and Berry Oakley on 11/11/72 the group somehow rallied to release a fine album, "Brothers and Sisters", and turn in a strong performance, by most accounts, at Watkins Glen the following year. New members, Chuck Leavell and Lamar Williams, brought some much-needed sparks back into the band. But things had begun to unravel as substance abuse problems, jealousies and solo projects diverted various members. Gregg ended up in Hollywood with Cher and for all practical purposes, Dickie became the group's leader. The distance between Macon, Georgia and Hollywood could be measured in more than just miles.

Through a long and somewhat painful process, they managed to record the album "Win, Lose or Draw" in 1975. The album opened strong with a cover of Muddy Waters' "Can't Lose What You Never Had", but apart from the title cut and a couple of other songs, it was apparent that the group had indeed lost what they had. The following year, Gregg's testimony for the prosecution in the drug distribution trial involving road manager Scooter Herring further alienated him from the rest of the band. The group broke apart, only to patch things up a year or so later. Over the years since, there's been a series of personnel changes, including the dismissal of Dickie Betts. The road may go on forever but things ain't been the same.

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Brien Sz

Subject: rambling

On the 7% drop; I doubt that downloading off the net has contributed that much to the loss; How about a bad economy! I would think the loss of jobs, the lack of jobs, the fear of losing a job, contributed more to the drop than downloading. Plus, as someone mentioned earlier, movies, games and other diversions are probably to blame also.

I feel the price of cd's is well within reason and plenty of good sales can certainly be found - plus I've come across great selections in the "used" bins from time to time. If I recall correctly weren't albums around 10 to 12 bucks a pop by the time they went the way of dinosaurs. COuld you imagine what that price would be today? Probably the same if not more than a cd, which by the way can't come close in quality of sound compared to a cd (unless you like snap, crackle and pop for old times sake)

On the subject of 50's and 60's executives being musicians and treating artisits more fair - -WHAT! The artists of the fifties and early sixties got taken to the cleaners more than any other era (really an oversimplificaation on my part)

And cd's today are too long! The one advntage of the album was it was tough to make one longer than 45 minutes. Peter is right - Hard Candy would be a much better album if they knocked 4 songs off (the hidden track is better than nearly half the cd) Wilco's, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (a group I like but have highly critical of) is a throw back to album format. It has eleven songs and doesn't run overly long, plus here is a band that took chances with there music. On the other hand Ryan Adams, Gold, a prime example of a cd that is way too long.....,Just like this post.

PS Do you get the sense that we have been visited by the most articulate 8th grader

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Empty Now

Subject: The tribute of the artist to his fans

Test your musical culture : In the widest sens, what object is flat, brittle and shiny, intended to songs, and referred to by the acronym CD. The Answer : Celine Dion.

OK stop kidding.

When you’re listening to Jackson Browne in the medley The load out/ Stay, you feel the deep sensation that rarely an artist gave a better tribute and a better mark of respect to his fans. This is an experience every serious artist in the world dreams on, once in his life. The difficulty lies in finding the convenient manner. In my view, ‘Everybody needs somebody’ of the Blues Brothers in John Landis movie, has been an expensive way to simulate such an experience. About Jackson Browne, you can also observe the intelligence of the words for the circumstance, the emotion and the quality in the interpretation of all the attendee. A big Hurrah for Rosemary Buttler. Anyway.

In 1972, Joan Baez gave a concert in Algiers with live retransmission on the national TV channel. The show, of course has been triumphal. I don’t remember the musicians who accompanied her. 30 years later, people in Algeria are always remembering (sometimes just for a joke) how that monument of american popular music had the kindness of interpreting one song in arabic language at the end of the show. The song was a very popular easy-playing Tunisian hit, but arabic is a hard language for non-native speakers. I doubt she did that only for professional concern She has at least one thing in common with Jackson Browne: her name initial letters.

Conclusion: true moments hold for eternity.

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Bob Emu

Subject: ABB notes for Hank from Cork

"Louisiana Lou" is deemed the worst song in the ABB catalog in Scott Freeman's "Midnight Riders" book from '95. They weren't even all present for its recording- bassist Lamar Williams, pianist Chuck Leavell & Dickey Betts were the only group members at the original session in Macon, Georgia. Gregg Allman's organ was overdubbed in Los Angeles (as were all of his other contributions on the album), and drummers Butch Trucks and Jaimoe are totally absent, replaced by producer Johnny Sandlin and substitute Bill Stewart on double drums.

I don't know if they ever performed it in concert, but they don't now, because Betts is out of the group (as is any song he ever sang, "Louisiana Lou" being one of these). Not that the ABB won't perform Betts's many instrumentals.

"Win, Lose or Draw" was the second-to-last album I bought by the ABB. It's one of my favorites. If you ever get this album, you won't regret it.

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Bayou Sam

Hey Jude was probably the biggest song of '68.

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Bayou Sam

Subject:

Sugar Sugar came out in '69........

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skipjack 8th grade student

Subject: civil war

Regarding Pat Brennan's posting about the Civil War battlefield: I've heard of the Civil War; but do not fully understand what it was about. I've heard it was a fight regarding whether certain states were allowed to fly their flags if they contained a Confederate stars and bars in it. I've never personally seen a confederate flag so I have little interest in something as trivial as the Civil war. One of my teachers(recently fired) told our class that our history teacher wasn't allowed to explain what happened in the 1860's because it could offend some people. She said that it had something to do with freeing slaves; but that there were so many more issues like division of classes in the North and South of the U.S, losses of millions of dollars to farmers in the South if the North won the war, a revolutionary change to an Industrialized America as oppossed to an agrarian society, and not to mention some politicians from both sides wanting to get re-elected(especially the guy on that now defunct penny: I have a 2006 penny with a shaved Honest Abe worth about fifty twosies!(so glad Big Bro got rid of that pesky ONE dollar bill) I went back to my History teacher and he told me he wasn't allowed to talk about the Civil war; but if I wanted to learn on my own to listen to "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" by some band and if I wanted to see a Confederate flag to go to one of those Underground blackmarket record stores(remember cd's with that shitty artwork and packaging!) and buy a Leonard Skynard record and I would surely find one there. Wow! He was right. There sure is alot to be said for telling the truth no matter how ugly it is! PS: Don't even get me started on the flight of the French from Quebec to Louisiana. I listened to "Acadian Driftwood", also. Reminded me alot of the Irish Potato "Famine".

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BWNWITennessee

I do agree that it's easier to buy obscure music today, thanks to stores like Borders, and the internet. That's awesome. Imagine trying to find a Garth Hudson CD twelve years ago. But, unfortunately, those stores are all big corporations that are driving mom and pop record stores, and even local chains, out of business, which is never a good thing.

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Charlie Young

Subject: "The Weight" at Bodo's Bagels

The original version of The Band played at the indoor big sports arena here at the University of Virginia back in the early 1970s, and then the later incarnations of the group rolled through town a time or two in later years, so I guess it shouldn't be that surprising that "The Weight" turned up on a great assortment of Dylan, Byrds and other songs as I had my bagel and coffee at the local independent altarnative to "Charbucks." But what blew me away were the number of college-age voices SINGING ALONG with the chorus when it rolled around. Hell, this is the town that produced the Dave Matthews Band (he used to tend bar here) and I would expect them to sing along with Dave--but sing along with Levon? Never in my wildest dreams. Hey, down here at UVA, the kids are alright...

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Calvin

I seriously doubt that most people would sign up for a napster like system if there was a small fee form 20 downloads a month as someone asserted. For one thing the computer revolution isnt as widespread as people believe, home PC penetration has hovered in the mid %50 for about 7-8 years now in the states. Meaning close to half the people in the US dont have the computer to do the downloads from, and at least half that do wouldnt know how and if they did wouldnt want to bother. People like to own things, they like having all the lyrics, the artwork, the packaging-the like buying the package. Downloading doesnt afford that. Its why itll really never replace going to the store, or ordering over the net. Just one man's opinion. A current theme Ive noticed in the GB is "Music isnt what it use to be,"-well, sure it is, weve just gotten a little older and it just seems that way. We tend to forget that in 1968 with all that "great" music going on the biggest single of the year was Sugar, Sugar by the Archies while our boys cracked the top 40 twice in the states. Bubblegum has always outsold good music, but there is a ton of good music being recorded right now, probably more than ever with all the indy labels and much expanded small venue concert scene. A place such as Borders carries so much music that you would never have found 30 years ago. As a whole there are more creative musicians in the R&R pop industry than ever before, in a quantity measurement. Its a great time to be a listener.

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Fred

Gotta go batten down the hatches as a typhoon is heading our way.

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Peter Viney

Joe – interesting comparison. I’d say you made the right choice of two there. You have 10,000 readers, which is good news for future work. To put it in perspective the average first book with a UK publisher sells 2000 copies. One fifth of your sales. Your mate will have had to work his balls off to generate 1100 self published- radio stations, local papers, being nice to bookstores. I hope he wasn’t licking stamps and doing up parcels – there are companies who do that. For a fee or a cut of course. But you got someone else to do that for you. You have the potential to sell more and more chance of subsiduary deals – he might just have bottomed out UNLESS a ‘legit’ publisher comes in and takes it over. Which in record terms is why people like RR stick with the major labels. You don’t have to worry about whether you’re being ripped off. You KNOW you are, but you probably get to find out by how much. Above all you have the chance of reaching more people (if they don’t bury it, if they promote it, if they have a decent advertising budget … but these things do sometimes come together.) I was surprised to see that Jorma’s new one was on Columbia in fact.

“Number one With A Bullet” was a favourite. “Paperback Writer” not so much. Any more? The Man Who Shot Mick Jagger was pretty good.

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Roger Woods

Subject: Gobshite

If Joe isn't Al Edge he's close enough to stand in. More, mate...

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Bayou Sam

There was a time, mid 80's I think (I can check), that a cool thing appeared at a location here of one of the big record store chains - it was Sam Goody or The Wall I think. It was a set-up in the corner called the "Personics System". You browsed through a catalog of songs and picked out whatever you wanted. You presented it to the salesperson and you had a custom cassette tape made of those songs. The cost of the songs ran about seventy-five cents as I recall. Some were a little more, some a little less. You got to title the tape, and it came in a case with a nice printed insert that listed the songs, the bands, the year they were released, and even the publisher. I had one done, which I still have. I think it ran me around nine bucks - and I had a great tape which had all songs that I wanted very much.

Nowdays, it's better to do it from the comfort of your home. They ought to do what BWNWITenn says and simply charge a resonable fee - that should make everyone happy.

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Bumbles

Subject: Rock Novels/W. Guthrie Memorial Concert

Four distinctly non-literary titles come to mind when I think of rock novels. Thom Keyes’ “All Night Stand” (chronicle of a British beat group from Hamburg days through hazy, psychedelic dissolution; my 1967 paperback blurbed that it would soon be a major motion picture starring the Rolling Stones); Elaine Jesmer’s “Number One with a Bullet” (Marvin Gaye-like hero battles mob influence in his record company, which, oddly enough, seems based equally on Motown and Houston’s Duke label); James R. Baker’s “Fuel Injected Dreams” (a genuinely creepy necrophiliac love story featuring a barely disguised Phil Spector); and Mark Shipper’s “Paperback Writer,” the absurdist alternative history of the Beatles that often makes more sense than the actual events (I especially approve of Del Shannon [permanently] replacing George Harrison during the band’s first U.S. tour).

As far as that Carnegie Hall Woody Guthrie concert, it was in 1968, not 1970, about six months before the release of “Big Pink.” The Band wasn’t billed as “The Band”; they weren’t billed as anything at all. They just showed up and played, which added to the mystery of things. The recordings released from that show are still in print and are as close as to live basement tapes as anything we’ll ever hear.

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Peter Viney

Crabbie: The Woody Guthrie Estate is hammering on Eliot Landy's door as I write demanding … well, demanding what? Image rights are a hot issue and currently most publishers steer clear of everything unless the subjects have signed release forms in blood in triplicate. But what is a photo worth if taken for private use? One director I used to work with had a very cavalier attitude. Here's a camera. You don't like it, so move out of its field of vision. Fine, as long as he was on public land (as he was fond of saying). Anyway, the photos are great. No harm is done. A video or audio recorder is a potential bootleg and an artist would be mad to allow it, which is why Butch correctly states his task had he seen one. But still pictures? I treasure my shots of Marvin Gaye in concert. I was right up front. No one stopped me. Surprising as it may seem, when I've given academic /educational talks myself the flashbulbs pop away. I've never complained - on condition I never have to look at them.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Stooges

"Elliot Landy was a New Yorker who, in his own words, 'had flipped out on a combination of strong grass and high-quality sound'. He'd started taking pictures at anti-war marches and rock concerts, giving them to the New York underground press free and helping with layouts. Along with one or two other snappers, he'd managed to sneak a camera into the Woody Guthrie concert, only to be bundled unceremoniously out of Carnegie Hall by a couple of Grossman stooges for his troubles. This, surprisingly, did not deter him from presenting Albert with some photos he'd taken of Janis Joplin at the Anderson Theater. 'Albert was scary,' says Landy, 'but to his credit he overlooked our little contretemps when he saw my photographs.'"

[excerpt from Barney Hoskyn's "Across the Great Divide" p.164]

The Carnegie Hall concert referred to was the Woody Guthrie Memorial Concert in 1970 which featured The Band backing Dylan in his first outing since his motorcycle accident. I was there - but not yet into photography - maybe I'd be rich and famous today if I had been. Great show btw!!

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Peter Viney

If you don't know the fine Irish word Gobshite, you're not reading enough Roddy Doyle or watching enough "Father Ted". On which, is "The Committments" (the book, not the film) the best rock novel yet? Any other contenders?

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Bones

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brown eyed girl

"You don't have to JUSTIFY anything you say or do
and you don't have to TESTIFY to anything I hold as true
and you don't have to MYSTIFY me oh but darlin' you do
and if you won't be here anymore then I won't be around at all
You don't have to be like anyone I've ever known before
You just have to come in here and darlin' please shut the door
I said I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE JUSTINE come in and shut the door

You don't have to REALIZE anything I'm trying to do
and I don't want to CRITICIZE anything you hold as true
and I don't have to ANALYZE you oh but darlin' I do
and if you won't be here anymore then I won't be alive at all
So you don't have to JUSTIFY anything you say or do
and you don't have to MYSTIFY me but oh but darlin' you do
JUSTINE you do"
(produced by Mick Ronson and David Johansen)

Whether Johansen is singing JUSTINE or HUMAN BEING or KATIE MAE or WANG DANG DOODLE or the songs of Kurt Weill.....He is the kind of gifted singer who can adapt to any musical genre......He is so good!!!....Btw....He was wearing white laced shoes and was all dressed in white....except for his shades......very different personality than Sumlin...;-D

Jenny T: "Safety Dance" is by another Canadian group Men Without Hats

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BWNWITennessee

God, I need something to do!!!!!

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BWNWITennessee

God, I need something to do!!!!!

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Bill

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Ilkka

Subject: Crabby's pics

For some times ago I said that I admire CRABBY's skills on photographing faces. I still do. Video or not. Like they say in the Holy Bible, the Old Testament:
"There is a time,
to crawl in the bushes and take a pic of a smiling lady bug.
There is a time,
to start your Sony and take a pic of a smiling Levon Helm."

Always nice to defend Crabgrass with a quote from The Holy Book :)))))))))))))))

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SteveH

Subject: Musician

Sort of sorry to hear that Musician magazine went out of business. I was a loyal reader from the early 80s to sometime in the 90s. It started out being Musician: Player and Listener then when it seemed pretty much aimed at the Player rather than the Listener I let it lapse. But they had a lot of great issues I still have in the attic.

On other Guestbook issues: CD prices are too high to just try out albums anymore. And I agree with Peter V. that within many okay long albums there is a shorter great album lurking.

Speaking of CDs, I have the remastered ROA and Islands in the CD player. What did Mac Rebenack do at ROA?

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rosalind

Subject: written words for cash

Joe__ Write a Screenplay. That's where the money is, plus you get it upfront! You get a good idea, you write it down, some Indie filmmaker with stars in his eyes buys it, takes it on, pretty big money in your hand, 16 to 60 grand, depending on the budget of the film. When two years passes and the film-maker with the stars in his eyes hits a brick wall and realizes he can't dig up the cash to produce. Bingo! You get your screenplay back and you get to keep the money. All ya do is find another film-maker and sell it again under the same rules as before. (It's easier the second time around, and every time someone buys the piece, you move up a notch on the totem pole) Everybody Wants to Make a Picture!

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BWNWITennessee

I guess part of the job description says that if you can't catch someone, you should come back and anonymously insult them three days later. Gobshite.

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Joe

Might be relevant

I had a book published. Was critically acclaimed [he says modestly] and to date has sold 10,000 copies. To date I have received around £4,500 in royalties. Not a lot spread over 4 years and a relatively minute proportion of the £75,000 the book has generated in sales.

A mate of mine published his own book with shall we say not a little advice and practical help from myself. His effort was critically panned but being a complete self publicist type of guy he has sold around 1100 copies and made a clear profit of about £8,000 in less than a year.

Am I bitter?

Not at all though I guess I would be if I depended upon it for a living. As it happens my feelings are of the 'good luck to you mate' nature for my mate's enterprise. There again I have always been a bit of a gobshite. Point is though, hopefully , I will have learned from it all.

Hope this is relevant to the CD thingymajib stuff.

The moral? The artist - and I do not class myself as such - without business acumen will most of the time end up a victim judged by purely economic criteria.

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Bill

Speaking of Robert Plant's beautifully minimal renditions, the same MOJO article went on about how much Plant likes Skip Spence's music (me too!) without noting that Plant's "Darkness Darkness" is the Youngbloods tune sung over an instrumental track that is largely Spence's "Chinese Song" from the criminally underrated "20 Granite Creek" LP. And, did Plant ever do "Don't Fear The Reaper"? I heard a great version on the radio that sounded just like him, but the artist wasn't identified.

I like the blues now that I'm middle-aged, but I didn't think much of them in general until years (decades?) after I fell for the fab five. I think it's just as easy getting to our guys via R&R, C&W, cajun/zydeco, pop radio, Dylan ...

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Amanda

Thanks for the review. I can't wait to see your photos! Levon has the best facial expressions, doesn't he? A magical night...I am happy for you.

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Dave Z

Thanks Brown-Eyed Girl!!! I can't wait to see your pics... My experience has been that evening boat rides can be on the cool side (MN anyway)... but you and Crabby sound like you kept warm alright... in fact, how did Butch get you guys to actually leave the boat... take care...

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Empty Now

Subject: Indiana state

Hello everybody who are living in that nice state of Indiana

If you like the band and basketball too, an exciting match will be held at Indianapolis - RCA Dome - tomorrow 29 august at 8 p.m.

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Rosalind

Subject: The Blues

Brown-Eyed-Girl should lock herself in a room with a stashful of Skip James! I didn't think it was even possible to appreciate The Band without havin' it in ya for The Blues. I guess some folks came in another door...I didn't even know there was another door. Interesting....

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JTull Fan

Subject: Fredericksburg/Chancellorsville

Pat: sounds like another battle between Carl Silver (who, I have inside information is in arears to his lawyers :) ) and people like Enos Richardson who used to live down my block on Caroline St. I'm still tempted to rent an SUV and drive it through that damned traffic light (the pole, not the intersection) in front of the Chancellor property.

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butch

I have a job to do,,,, & whether you like it or not,,, if Hubert Sumlins mgr & Levon & Davey Jo, ask that there be NO VIDEO CAMERAS,,, then that is part of my job !!!!!!!!!!!!

i never said they werent good , if not great pix,, BUT,,,if i had seen a video camera,,, id have to stop the filming,,,,,,,,as i did twice # the jersey show,,, or maybe next time, come & introduce yourself & talk to me about it,, instead of sneaking it,, that is my point,,,,,

so, stop all this hand-wringing & piling on,, you do your jobs,, & i will do mine,,,,,

sorry if ya dont like it, or understand it,,,,, but it is the artists wishes,,,,,,

go argue with them,

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Roger Woods

Subject: Adam Duritz / Counting Crows and My Favourite Year

Interesting comment, Richie, about Brit bands acknowledging The Band as an influence. There's a good interview with the splendid Adam Duritz of Counting Crows at the link above. He talkes a little about the song about the song "Richard Manuel is Dead" and also makes the following comment:

"I don't know that we actually sound like the band, but I think that the lesson we learned from the band is that the best bands listen to each other when they play, and then they play things that are a reaction to what the other guy's playing. And I could clearly hear that in the music of the band. And that, intellectually, is a big influence on how I push our band to perform. But you have to listen to each other.

This has got to be a case of the interviewer not knowing 'The Band' and hearing/transcribing 'the band'. Have a read.

Counting Crows were at V2002 (a significant rockfest in the UK) where my daughter saw them and thought they were excellent - along with Gomez who, as Richie said, pay tribute to our boys.

Fred - My Favourite Year was on cable here two nights ago. Great film.

Great pics Crabby. Another county heard from.

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Peter Viney

I don’t think we’re in disagreement on the general issue of paying the producers. People can make money out of small label CDs sold at gigs. I’m told that an album sold at gigs (at 90% profit, usually in cash) can make an active performing artist more than a major label release. Record company accounting is appalling I’m told. Book accounting is vastly more honest in comparison but also pretty bad. There are things the ‘creator’ of the intellectual copyright can never chase. Like selling distribution rights to a foreign publisher for peanuts to sweeten them or whatever.

You’re correct about the relative pricing of vinyl and cassette. In production terms, CD is by far the cheapest to produce and has been for 12 or 15 years. They’re stamped out. Cassettes have to be loaded into machines, run, and taken out. On a recent costing each cassette cost about four times as much as a CD to produce. There’s also a significant returns number on cassettes and often it’s the consumer’s fault too, either by playing them over filthy heads or baking them on car parcel shelves. It’s not always the consumer’s fault. One batch of an educational cassette I did was printed with an Elton John record on instead. Unfortunately it was Rock of the Westies. Vinyl costs are high because (a) it’s an audiophile market now, meaning best-quality vinyl, good sleeves etc (b) the economy of scale has long gone. I’ve argued this for years, as educational publishing (my area) still prefers cassettes to CDs and the way to switch people to CDs is to be realistic and price them cheaper than cassettes. But what would really happen is they’d price cassettes higher than CDs.

I also suspect that the 7% drop in sales has something to do with video games, and Music DVDs as competition. It is also true that there hasn’t been much of spectacular public interest in music in the last two years – no new Beatles or Stones or Soul explosion or Psychedelic era or Glam rock or Madonna or Bruce or Spice Girls or early Oasis to pull the public into the stores. I mean, Ryan Adams? Good enough but hardly a world shattering event. On quality, the 45 minute album has become the 65 minute CD and there is generally (sorry, always) an extra 20 minutes that is third-rate. At least two reviewers said that “The Rising” would be a 5 star album with two fewer tracks on it. Counting Crows ‘Hard Candy’ is 67 minutes (with its UK bonus tracks). Cut it to a 1970s 45 minutes and it would be superb rather than just good. I praised ‘Jubilation’ when it appeared for being an honest 43 minutes with no filler.

I still love a good record store, but admit that two of my recent purchases have been mail order – ‘Whispering Pines’ and then Jorma Kaukonen’s ‘Blue Country Heart’ which arrived just an hour ago.

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jeff N

Fantastic show! Go! He even signed my copy of "Stupid White Men".:)

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Fred

Maybe it's a sign that we're getting older and more set in our ways!!

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Bluezzzz Cruise In NYC

As most of you know......I was never a huuuuuge fan of the bluezzzz......Sure I have music by B.B. King, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, Robert Cray, KoKo Taylor, Etta James, and I have seen Ottawa's Sue Foley open for King and some of these greats live but.....the bluezzzz was never a fave genre of music for me......

Well I like to challenge myself musically so there I was in NYC once again....fourth time this year to experience live music in NYC!.....(Hank solo, Jim Weider's Band, Garth Hudson, Buddy Cage (another one born in Toronto) and gang, Hank's Open Kitchen and this time Hubert Sumlin, David Johansen and Levon Helm and gang.......

I knew the bluezzzz was in the air.....Let's just say that everyone could smell it.....hee hee......cool runnings all night long.....Anyway.....I moved as close as possible to Levon......and I don't know if it was my imagination but he gave me a look and smile like.....Go ahead darlin'.....I'm Levon Helm.....click all ya want.......It was great to see Levon play and have fun with this group of amazing musicians...................

Then I was amazed at watching and photographing Johansen.....I was never a Dolls fan but I do have one of his solo recordings ("In Style" 1979) which I still enjoy very much......He did all the singing and prancing around.....His beard and longer hair reminded me of bourgeois Mick in "Performance"?......

Ok......It was Hubert Sumlin who hypnotized me ALL NIGHT LONG, ALL NIGHT LONG......He was wearing these black buckled shoes......some of ya know.....I notice shoes......lol.....pleated pants.....and to top it all off.......Oh Hubert!.......He was wearing a hat just like the one my cool and loving Grandpa would wear......so stylish and endearing to me!!!.....Now.....don't let that observation mislead ya.......Hubert may be around 70 years old......but let me tell ya......and that boyish smile.......:-DD....I couldn't keep my eyes off of him from that moment on......."Little Red Rooster" still plays in my mind.....and everytime the crowd showed their appreciation and Hubert knew the band did a good job.....He would raise one leg and lightly snap his fingers to say to the boyzzzzz.....Alright!.....We're doin' good!!!!!.....

I was sooooo lucky.....I sat right in front of Hubert most of the evening and felt soooo good all night long......all night long......and yes......I clicked away with my camera......Heck I came from Cabbagetown.....I was here for some good vibrations.......Hubert didn't mind at all......He was too cool to mind and he was too busy groovin' himself.......And then near the end of the cruise he stood up (most of the evening he played seated) and played his guitar like very few can play........and practically came right at us! I had to move back he was so close! He knew his natural charm and effortless and tasty licks were doing their magic.....He was in the mood to treat us real close and personal......Yup! He's my bluezzzz hero now...........I'm so thankful that I was able to make this show......If anyone can turn ya onto the bluezzzzz......it's HUBERT SUMLIN.......:-D

In my opinion......this is the group of musicians who should be playing with Levon ........or at least this group of seasoned and talented musicians should make one recording together......"Ain't no question about it".........Btw.....I hope to share some photos from this once in a lifetime gig real soon.....

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Jeff

On the other hand, I do feel that very few records really deliver the goods anymore. How often do you guys pick up a cd on a hunch, and just get blown away. I am 43, I remember that from the age of 10 up, for a good long time I could buy things on a hunch and really get my money's worth. Today, that hardly ever happens, unless it is a purchase of old music that i unearthed or never ran across before. One of my big thrills in life (is this sad, or what) has always been buying a recording that i never heard before, and really loving it, top to bottom. It still happens occassionally, but not often enough.

So, I feel that there are 2 good arguments going here. Believe it or not, I do not feel that $13.00 or $15.00 is to much for a cd. I do know what it costs to pay musicians, pay studios, engineers,etc. After that, you still have to spend nothing but time and money promoting and marketing. Believe me, $15.00 for a good, solid cd is not too much. However, I really feel that there is a scarcity of product that warrants the expense. There are a multitude of reasons for that. A lot of them go back to what one of the other guest bookers was relating before, the fact that the "music business" has been taken over by businessmen who want a sure thing, and only a sure thing.SO, not only are the labels really reluctant about new acts that do not for some reason seem as though they may be commercially viable, a new artist usuaully is very tightly controlled these days. You are not going to come across too many newer acts that can exert any where near as much influence over their sound or the songs they record as they would like, if they are on a label.And , on top of that, established artists also are running the gauntlet when it comes down to that. These are just a few reasons. . There are a lot more, however my brain is tired, as am i , and the rest of my harangue will have to wait.

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Pat Brennan

Richie, there are only factions here if you feel like dwelling on it. It's all a concoction. Concerning Morning Dew, if there's a better version than the one on the first Jeff Beck album--aptly entitled "Truth"--I'm not aware of it.

If you noticed, a developer is trying to rape another Civil War battlefield, in this case, the field at Chancellorsville just west of Fredericksburg, Virginia. A coalition of seven preservation groups have bonded to fight this travesty and it will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out. However, all of us here will be most interested in a snippet from a NY Times article about the brewing battle which addressed the effect of the war on today;s pop culture: "It's not just limited to 19th- and early-20th-century high literary figures," said Peter Hales, a cultural historian at the University of Illinois. He cited popular musicians like the Band and Stephen Stills as modern artists who have used Civil War themes.

Bravo to Crabgrass for taking and posting those fine pictures. You can all guess the yang.

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Fred

I've noticed that big business (doesn't matter if it's the music business, the automotive industry, sports, and so on) likes to whine quite a bit--sales are down sob sob, we're not making any money sob sob and so it goes. It's a world-wide phenomenon, isn't it?

Maybe CEOs (and the like) should slash their bonus packages and reinvest in their prospective companies/businesses instead of going off crying to the government & public about how things are bleak (sob sob), looking for either a handout (taxpayers' money) or raising prices.

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Fred

HAHAHAHAthanks Rosalind!

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Quinn the Eskimo

Subject: RIAA cries the blues; bassmanlee and Peter Viney

When the record industry complains/whines about compact disc sales falling 7 percent they automatically blame the growing use of Internet downloading services which they further claim undermines sales. This is pure propaganda!

1) They don’t know the reason for the 7% dip. There is additional competition for entertainment dollars these days, and it is right in the same stores as the CDs. Video games and computer games suck up these dollars and it’s a relatively closed economy; i.e. the money that goes to those items has to hurt sales of something.

2) they ignore what the surveys show: As Mr. Viney says, Napster users bought more CDs than average, it can be legitimately argued that downloading is fuels buying. And we don’t know that it is not the case with a younger audience.

3) As Bassmanlee says, the 5-6 dollar differential between casettes and CDs never went away, despite a class-action suit [though I’m not sure where that went].

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Rosalind

Subject: For Fred..

That scene where O'Toole walks into the bathroom and that old brood that works on the clothing designs has a cigarette between her lips.. she says "Say You, This bathroom is for ladies only" and O"Toole looks at her and then starts to unzip his pants and says "So is this Madam, but sometimes I have to run a little water thru it"

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Fred

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Rosalind

Subject: Goin' South

Hey Richie_ Ya know those exclusive country clubs and golf courses that won't allow membership to those they consider to be somehow beneath them ? Well kid, welcome to the curb across the street. But I'm sure they would be more than happy to have you sit across the street and look longingly over toward the greens with envy in your eyes....or you can just sit there and laugh your ass off. Remember Peter O'Toole's line in "My Favorite Year" when he took that big ol' fire hose and hooked it to his body and dangled out on the roof of that 20 story building ? His line was "It's Just Fun!" That was always my favorite scene!

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Jeff Newsom

You remind me alot of Popeye! (Nice pics!)

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BWNWITennessee

The problem with the music industry is that in the '50s and '60s, most executives in the industry were to some extent musicians, with a love for music, who decided they would be happier with an office job than on the road, or whatever. Now, most people ultimately in charge are accountants and people with business and financial backgrounds, so all they see is profit and product. Performers aren't looked at as artists, they're contracters who create product. Unfortunately, the people who buy music don't see it as product, they see it as an artform, that's why today's product is selling less and less.

Crabgrass, I wondered if you were a loser. I had a feeling you were. If you'd like to retort, I'd be happy to help you out. I have some experience with it. Let's see, a lot of people here like Crabgrass, a lot of people like Butch. It's time to draw that line in the sand and pick a side, people. I'm predicting a GB civil war. Maybe the secessionists will create a thisband.com website, dedicated that obscure 1990s blues and boogie cover band, the Hawks.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Emmylou Turns Up With the Dixie Chicks

Now perhaps the most prolific background singer in popular music history, Emmylou Harris turns up on the fine new disc by the Dixie Chicks, HOME. It is a radical departure from the more mainstream production of their first two discs (even though they sold over 10,000,000 copies EACH). I can imagine the Texas trio coming up with an awesome track for that fantasy "Tribute to The Band" CD. They could cover "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and leave that lame, mangled Baez version in the dust...

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molly girl

Subject: gazza

gazza: I was just wondering how the concert went that you and your son produced. if i remember correctly you were working up a rendetion of Unfaithful Servant. the answer to your last question: yes we sell plenty of chewing tobacco. also there are alot of tobacco farmers in these parts. see ya, molly

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Dave

Subject: Richard's CD

If anyone has Richard's CD (the Japanese release) and is willing to burn a copy I'd be forever grateful. I'll trade you something in exchange if you're interested. Any response is appreciated. E-Mail me at cdnev@juno.com. Thanks in advance!

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basmanlee

Peter, take the time to read the article at the link I posted previously. It has quite a bit to say about book writing and publishing as well.

And BTW, direct quote from same: "Again, from personal experience: in 37 years as a recording artist, I've created 25+ albums for major labels, and I've never once received a royalty check that didn't show I owed them money." Record company accounting is legendary, right up there with the film industry. Musician magazine (now sadly defunct) did an article a few years back about where the money goes. Yes, they still dock artists for a certain number of copies for "returns", although they no longer accept returns from retailers. And the 5-6 dollar differential between casettes and CDs never went away, even though cost of production (the original excuse) is no longer an issue, and they pay LESS in royalties to songwriters and performers. Neat, eh? I'm in the wrong business...

I think the point is that artists have the means of production in their hands now. Local studios with digital boards and recorders can make really decent product. Duplication costs have plummeted. All that is needed is a new distribution channel and new methods of reaching a potential audience. And one of those methods is file sharing and free downloads. Artists can now make their own CDs for a reasonable amount and sell at gigs and on-line, actually making money from CD sales. The other pattern I see is artists who fund their own recording, then sign distribution deals with small labels to release the product. This keeps them out of traditional record company accounting practices wherein they never make back the supposed cost of recording. (Or never get their stuff released at all.) The big five meanwhile are still looking for the next Saturday Night Fever, Hootie, or similar mega-seller as they have been for the last 30 years. It's just product. Music has very little to do with it.

And yes, I now find it more rewarding to search for music on-line than in the stores. Based on what they stock, and their prices, most stores are not interested in my money. I'd rather buy on-line, used, or directly from the artist. I really can't afford retail!

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richie

Subject: morning dew+julie

julie. just to say, morning dew is classic. its by a guy called tim rose. i saw mr plant perform it with priory of brion , the group he had before strange sensations. just a thought. is this gb dominated by a clique who only respond to certain people,who are all unlike the rest of us are able to go to band related gigs. i hope this is not the case.peace richie.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Blues Cruise Photos

Thanks to all who commented that they enjoyed the Blues Cruise photos!! Glad to be able to share a bit of this extraordinary night with those who couldn't be there.

For those interested, the images were culled from a total of approximately 2 minutes worth of video clips lasting a few seconds each and were taken with a Sony Digital 8 camcorder (the same as all previous photos credited to me which have been put up on the Band site dating back my very first ones depicting these very same musicians gigging in Central Park, June 2000). Advantages of using this method include being able to shoot under extremely low light conditions (two photos of Hubert were actually taken in "infrared mode" as it was so dark) thus obviating the need for ancillary lighting or flash which can be distracting and annoying to performers and audience alike, and a high-power zoom lens which allows for "cropping" while shooting. Additionally, images can be downloaded directly into a computer, digitally enhanced in Photoshop, and e-mailed immediately thereafter for display on a website.

P.S. - URGENT!!!! - Will that "loser" who reportedly "snuck in a video camera" please contact me as I'd very much like to acquire a copy of the complete show on videotape!! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!

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Peter Viney

More. If I can go further … I make my living from royalties so I’m biased. Books are a safer bet than CDs or videos, because they’re more expensive to pirate, and on-screen books haven’t taken off (yet). In the book industry ‘Print on Demand’ (P.O.D.) is on the horizon. You’ll go to the store and they’ll print it for you. Authors organizations believe that the rewards should be split 50 / 50 between publisher and author as the publisher will no longer be printing and distributing the book. Some authors groups believe it should be 75% to the author for this reason. I’ve heard of contracts offering a 10 to 12% royalty for future hypothetical P.O.D., leaving the publisher who is no longer printing, transporting or distributing with 90% to 88%. I suspect record companies will make similar offers to artists when record company sites get into downloadables in a big way (they’re already testing the water). It will only work if the artist gets at least 50% of the fee. If this works, the minor / medium artists may actually be better off.

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Peter Viney

Sorry to disagree about ‘over-priced product.’ Most CDs are actually cheap, if you take the hourly rate of the musicians and writers, recording costs, and for designers, artists, photographers for covers etc. Too often people look at the price of a blank CDR (50 pence) and ask how a CD in a jewel case warrants a price of £15.00 (Excuse me for working in sterling, but it doesn’t alter the point). Well, first the taxman takes a slice – 17.5% here, lets say that reduces it to £12.40. The retailer takes 30% to 40%. The artist gets a small royalty on what’s left minus 10% for ‘breakages in transit’ dating back to the days of 78s. The big sellers are cheaper to buy, but the discount is higher. Most albums are loss making and are subsidized by the big hits. So record companies need a few of those to operate. Musicians making moderate-selling and low-selling records are paid very little for their trouble. Then sales are reduced because of downloading. If the musicians are selling direct off their own sites, great. They make a lot more percentage wise. If they can find a way of being paid for downloadables, great. But in the end most of what goes on is akin to piracy, not bootlegging. It’s an industry where big retail chains and record companies were making a lot. But would you rather browse a large Tower or Virgin or look at a list if titles on screen? Small retailers are fast being squeezed out between the chains (where some suit in an office hundreds of miles away chooses the stock) and downloading. Until a way is found of reliably paying the artist for officially released material, I don’t download. I will buy and I will copy bootlegs, but as they say no one buys boots unless they have nearly all the legal stuff anyway. There will eventually be a solution, or the music business won’t function. It’s not in place yet. When you buy a record, you’re buying someone’s work, not a circular piece of plastic in a jewel case. When you buy software, you’re not buying a CD (and no one thinks you are). You’re buying research and development.

Now I’m aware that a couple of years ago it was found that Napster users bought more CDs than average, and I guess that’s so with most people on this site. Downloading is an adjunct to a keen collector’s awareness. But that’s not the case with a younger audience who have not got the same emotion for CDs and LPs as artifacts / possessions and they’re happy with MP3s (for my kids, the i Pod is the desirable artifact in itself).You can’t turn back the tide, but we have to find a way of rewarding the creators of the music.

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Empty Now

to who is wondering the meaning of the above nickname, please open another window (don't leave the band website, i insist) at URL:

http://www.potsw.org/Lyrics/5poi.htm#nobodys

this is not a pub

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Bones

AMC Channel is doing a musical movie tribute this Labor Day Weekend. They will show The Last Waltz three times during the weekend. Times should be listed.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Dittoes to Bassmanlee

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bassmanlee

Subject: RIAA cries the blues

From Reuters, Aug. 26: "Compact disc shipments fell 7 percent in the first six months of this year versus last year as growing use of Internet downloading services undermined sales, the record industry said on Monday. "

Uh, guys, it couldn't be because the bulk of your overpriced product sucks, would it? See interesting article on Internet, file sharing, and alternate distribution models at link above or http://janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html

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David Powell

Subject: the "brown album" as a sonic reference point

In my earlier post I mentioned Robert Baird's profile of Allison Moorer in the September issue of Stereophile. That same issue contains an equipment report on the Manley Laboratories 250 Neo-Classic tube monoblock power amp written by Paul Bolin. As part of his listening tests of the 250 watt tube amplifier, Mr. Bolin used a CD version The Band's eponymous second album as a reference point. Mr. Bolin describes the results as follows: " 'The Band' is steeped in the feel of the post-Civil War era--homespun, rural and earthy--and the plaintive harmonies, resonant guitars, and glorious woody thud of Levon Helm's kick drum were simply sublime. Through the 250s, Helm's keening vocal on 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' took me to a time and place far from my listening room in suburban Minneapolis in a display of pure musical alchemy."

It was a pleasant surprise to read an audio writer vividly describing the attributes of sophisticated audio gear in terms that I can so readily identify with. About a year ago I upgraded my own audio system with a new set of speakers. The first things I listened to were the LP version of the "brown album" and the Steve Hoffman's DCC gold CD version of "Stage Fright". Needless to say, once I heard an increased richness to these recordings that I hadn't heard before, I knew I had chosen the right speakers.

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JULIE

Hi, I'm a huge Robert Fan!!! Please give his new song Morning Dew a listen! Maybe If enough people listen...He will find out I'm his biggest fan! You never know! Hey a girl can try! Please give it a listen http://65.45.98/events?14060xy176

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JULIE

Hi, I'm a huge Robert Fan!!! Please give his new song Morning Dew a listen! Maybe If enough people listen...He will find out I'm his biggest fan! You never know! Hey a girl can try! Please give it a listen http://65.45.98/events?14060xy176

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richie

Subject: band influences pt 2

the new generation of brit guitar bands are always citing the band as major influences.these include travis and coldplay. indeed coldplay had a new album out yesterday. its quite brilliant. their singer chris martin reminds me of richard manuel. chris has that aching soulful yearning very reminiscent of the great rm. the albums called a rush of blood to the head. brilliant.

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bob wigo

Jeff,

I look forward to reading your report on the show. Lindley is playing soon at The Point in Bryn Mawr, Pa. and I've been considering attending.

Have a great time.

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David Powell

Subject: The Band's influence

I always enjoy seeing artists, especially younger performers, cite the influence of The Band upon their own music. In the September issue of Stereophile magazine, writer Robert Baird profiles Allison Moorer. For those unfamiliar with Ms. Moorer, she's from Alabama and is the sister of singer Shelby Lynne. She first gained prominence singing "A Soft Place To Fall" for the soundtrack of Robert Redford's "The Horse Whisperer", which received an Academy Award nomination for best song in 1998. She went on to record two fine albums for MCA/Nashville. Recently, she's branched out from the restrictions of mainstream country and recorded a new album for the Universal South label, "Miss Fortune", on which she's adds a blend of soul, rock & pop to her country twang.

Ms. Moorer has also developed her skills as a songwriter. When asked by Robert Baird to cite the songwriters who have influenced her the most she responded: "I like Kris Kristofferson...Dylan, of course. I love, love, love the songs that The Band did. What a force. Listen to 'King Harvest'; it's one of the coolest songs I've heard."

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Jeff Newsom

Just gettin ready for the David Lindley show here tonight,when I came across this on his home page.Great minds think alike! -"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day." - Theodore Roosevelt, 19-Apr-06

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John D

Mr. Eskimo.....or may I call you Quinn? The new CD by Johansen and the Harry Smith's is called "Shaker." Once again on the Chesky label. He does for e.g. Furry's Blues, I Can't Be Satisfied, Death Letter etc. Very acoustic and beautifully raw. Kassie Jones is another great track. It's been out a few weeks and is rarely out of my CD player.

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Jenny T

Lil: What you could try to do is replace the Spongebob Squarepants theme song in your head with the Spongebob Squarepants commercial song, which is to the tune of the infectious 80's hit Safety Dance by I forget who. It goes "You can wear square pants if you want to..." My son Dan WAS Spongebob for Halloween, and can give a blow by blow description of each episode--at least you are spared that, I hope, though I have heard even some teenagers are into Spongebob. Band link--Bob's character is obviously based on Dylan.

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Empty Now

Susan: when I said (each generation can find its Robbie Robertson) I was thinking of his personality (perhaps charisma) rather than his music. My comment is adressed to the new generations. I observed that they cultivate a nostalgia towards an era they never knew, and Robbie Robertson underlies it. I guess this is a way to comfort them, or perhaps to be realsistic, or at least to emit an inocent wish: For every season there is a (good)thing.

I agree that the music of the band is nonreproducible. Present day teenagers are allowed to enjoy it through recorded media... even if it is parasitized by all the noise of the world.

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Peter Viney

One artist (who I know zero about) who should have a try is Cat Power- she does the version of 'Satisfaction' on the Stones tribute, with gentle acoustic guitar and no chorus. The result is so familiar, but unfamiliar. Great version for a tribute album.

Charlie- I keep looking for 'You are what you eat' - no idea it was on CD. I have a copy on tape & it has those two much-bootlegged Tiny Tim & the Hawks tracks in official versions. The Peter Yarrow LP is 'That's Enough for me' (1973) - the participation is limited to 'Groundhog.' This track was written and produced by Paul Simon with a credit of ‘special help from Robbie Robertson. Levon Helm, and Garth Hudson.’ The complex credits indicate three locations: A & R Studios, New York: Vocal - Peter Yarrow / Mandolin - David Bromberg / Electric Guitar - David Spinoza. Paul Butterfield was overdubbed at Bearsville on mouth harp, while Jimmy Johnson added ‘second electric guitar’ at Muscle Shoals. There are no playing credits to RR, LH and GH … but who knows in the 1973 era. It's an unusual Paul Simon / Band link too.

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Doug

Subject: Wedding Song

All - Do any of you know of a good recording of the Wedding Song sans Dylan? Thanks in advance, Doug

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Pat Brennan

An odd coincidence. I'll be backing up both Steve Earle and Tony Fitzpatrick at a show in Nashville on Thursday. The BroadAxe Theater is putting it on but I'm not exactly sure where it is. I've been told it's near Vanderbilt. It's Steve's first Nashville show since the Wall Street Journal and its ilk (Paula Zahn anyone?) started distorting his John Walker song, so it should be fun. I promise to quote liberally from the Garth Hudson canon.

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Quinn the Eskimo

Subject: David Johansen etc.

John D - Please give more details on that second David Johansen and the Harry Smiths CD. The first is great.

For all you Steve Earle detractors from a while back in the GB: Remember Bobby D said in 1963: “I just got to be, as I got to admit that the man who shot President Kennedy, Lee Oswald, I don't know exactly where --what he thought he was doing, but I got to admit honestly that I too - I saw some of myself in him. I don't think it would have gone - I don't think it could go that far. But I got to stand up and say I saw things that he felt, in me - not to go that far and shoot. (Boos and hisses) You can boo but booing's got nothing to do with it. It's a - I just a - I've got to tell you, man, it's Bill of Rights is free speech...”

And don’t forget that it wasn’t too cool in 1969 to write and sing a song about the Civil War from a Confederate's perspective.

At times art makes stranger bedfellows than politics.

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Bayou Sam

Subject: Ko-Ko Joe

David = I won a batch of Jerry Reed records(vinyl) on ebay a while back, and the guy I won them from threw in about four other Reed albums in with the ones I won. The Jim Croce covers one was among them. I haven't spun it yet, but now you've made me want to listen to it........I couldn't agree with you more about his acting. He was even great as The Snowman in the Smokey and the Bandit movies. I could listen to Jerry's "East Bound and Down" anytime - and what a guitar lead he plays on that tune........I had the pleasure of seeing him play in Connecticut a couple of years back. Unfortunately he dosen't get up to the North-East very much.......As I said before, I'd love to see him and Levon hook up in some project.

Hey, while I'm on the subject, Jerry Reed used to be a frequent guest on the old "Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour" TV show way back when. There were some jams between Jerry and Glen, who is an amazing guitarist himself. I'd love to find some video or even audio recordings of those old shows. Anybody got any leads - please let me know. Thanks.

wipeout1960@yahoo.com - (different e-mail than the one I've posted before).

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BWNWITennessee

Amanda - thanks for the name drop awhile back, but unfortunately there is not currently an EXBWNWIT (I don't know who that BWNHITenn chick is). However, interested applicants can click on my link above. All submissions will be considered. I have included a picture of myself, along with some pertinent details. Feel free to take a gander.

I thought it was very nice that Robbie posted that message "To a dear friend," Levon, awhile back. Filled my heart with warmth.

Bumbles, you're my new guestbook hero for including the Latin Playboys on your list.

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Vitor Bernardes

Subject: Counting Crows' new tribute to The Band

Hey people,

Sorry if this has already been mentioned before, the searches I ran turned up nothing, but you never know...

Anyway, I just came across this song from Counting Crows' newest album, released last month: "If I Could Give All My Love (Richard Manuel Is Dead)". I haven't heard it yet, does anyone know anything about it?

Vitor

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G-Man

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Mike Nomad

Thnx to St. Butch for favors received. Mchly appcd.

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Charlie Young

Subject: That Old Black Vinyl (and some new, too)

Thanks to a great used CD and vinyl store called Safe as Milk Records in downtown Roanoke, Virginia, today I found a near mint STAGEFRIGHT on vinyl, with the original poster wrapped around the cover. It was a later pressing with the purple label featuring the US Capitol building logo. I'm still looking for a MOONDOG MATINEE poster to replace my original that I lost in a fire 15 years ago. I also picked up the new 180 gram vinyl release of SANCTUARY III, the latest volume of Byrds' unrelased material, this batch culled from the Clarence White period.

At the same store I also found a cheap copy of something I never expected to see on CD--the soundtrack to the movie "You Are What You Eat" featuring John Simon, Paul Butterfield, Peter Yarrow and others. I'm still trying to track down a vinyl copy of that Peter Yarrow solo CD featuring members of The Band. Does anyone own that? Is it worth the effort?

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butch

Subject: Levon & the BarnBurners' sept 17th gig

just a reminder ,,,,,,,,,,,

if you are planning on joining us here for the tuesday, Sept 17th's benefit, ( with Tony Garnier on bass ),,,,

please e-mail me so i can reserve tickets,, !!!!!!!!!

they are in big demand,,,,believe me,,,

The Chief of Police here in New Paltz took his wife to dinner @ the same restaurant & she saw the fliers,,, Told him if he is thinking of going,, he better be thinking about taking her !!!!!!!!!! cute,, she's a huge Levon fan, too,,,

it will ba an eclectic gathering,, but THE BLUES will prevail !!!!

e-mail me,, or you'll be shut out,,,,,, bubbaband@aol.com

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Dave Z

Hey... where are those lurking Travelin' Gals?... I was expecting to read a review of the Poconos show a while back from you... throw a sandal the GB way to let us know your still kicking...

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Mike Nomad

As usual, terrific pix. Nice job.

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Susan

Empty Now: The Last Waltz, and the Band music in general is a wonderful distraction from the evils of the outside world. For two hours you can live in the moment long ago and now - magic indeed. I think there's no question that Band fans can be found in many cultures. A look at the statistics for this site is revealing; Japan and the Nordic countries record lots of hits to this site. Of course, the Band site is in Norway. At least 3 Finns post regularly, and Ragtime is in the Netherlands. So plenty of people in non-English-speaking countries find something in the Band's music.

Of course, the music is an almagam of many styles with roots in Africa and Europe, and there's an emotional directness in the singing and the writing that is both specific to the song's character and of universal appeal. Virgil Cane is one person dealing with the emotional effects of being on the losing side and seeing some of his way of life disappear in consequence. I like your proverb; in the US just now there seems to be a lot of Hispanic musical influences coming into popular music, and what I hear of the World Beat scene has a lot of North African influences.

When you say 'there is a Robbie Robertson for each generation' what are you thinking of? I'm assuming it's the way his best songs catch a time, and yet are timeless, evoking so much more than the words say. Do you have any candidates for the present generation? I don't hear as much music by newer people as I would like. There's only so much time in a day, and I often want to hear music that gives me guaranteed satisfaction.

I think your friend got it right; they are the kind of guys we'd like for companions. They all, even Robbie, are real and genuine in the Last Waltz interviews. We all know it's an artificial situation, but somehow all the guys reveal themselves in one way or another, and even Robbie's attempts to control the image are indicative of his personality and concern. Ultimately his attempt to hide behind words fails, and he shows more of himself that perhaps he meant to. Even after all this time I'm still curious about the interactions of those personalities. They are all vivid, and very different, yet somehow they made music that is more than the sum of the parts.

Peter V; I like you idea of a medley for Van: The Rumor, New Biography, Why Must I Always Explain. It's got a good thematic link from the general to the specific and would let Van rip on The Rumor's chorus. Where Richard develops it by changing registers Van would probably get more and more into repetition and the scat singing he does

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pehr

I take exception to J tull Fan saying Band Fans are small. Heck, I'm over 6 feet!

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David Powell

Subject: Jerry Reed

Bayou Sam: I agree, Jerry Reed is a great singer, songwriter, guitarist and actor. Although he's known as the "Alabama Wildman", he's actually from Atlanta, Georgia. I keep waiting to see him and Levon together in a movie. I thought Mr. Reed was great as the rival football coach, opposite Henry Winkler, in Adam Sandler's "Waterboy". One of my favorite Jerry Reed recordings is the album of Jim Croce covers he did a while back.

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Bones

Thanks to Peter Viney for getting us back on track. Oddly enough, I would love to hear Keith Richards have a go at "All La Glory".

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Bayou Sam

How about Tracy Chapman doing "All La Glory".

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Bayou Sam

I actually got a couple of responses on my mentioning of Jerry Reed. I love the Alabama Wildman's music. I always thought that he and Levon seemed to be cut from the same cloth. I'd love to see them do something together.

Crab = nice pics man. You caught Levon in a couple of moments that are different than most his photos. You also got a few nice shots of the city at night, which is tough. For those of you who are not near here, the Twin Towers would have been in a couple of those shots a year ago..... Hey Crab (or anyone else), is that Johansen with the long hair and goatee( that's gotta be spelled wrong, no?). If it is, man he can really re-invent himself can't he.

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Joe

We have all forgotten arguably the most tried and tested offering of all - the utterly magnificent and fragile Gene Clark and Tears of Rage.

A version to rank even with Richard's? Possibly not as that would be impossible but not much more than a hair's breadth away all the same.

How could we all be so churlish.

Apologies Gene. May you forgive us all as you sit there strumming and harmonising with fellow angels Richard and Rick. [All you jammy bastards up there!!!!]

I'm sure you will.

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Ray Pence

a fantasy northern lights/southern cross tribute:

Hobo Jungle: Willie Nelson

Ring your Bell: Los Lobos

Rags and Bones: Steely Dan

It Makes No Difference: George Jones

Ophelia: Jerry Lee Lewis

Forbidden Fruit: Rickie Lee Jones

Acadian Driftwood: Ray Charles/Willie Nelson/Johnny Cash

Jupiter Hollow: Peter Gabriel/Laurie Anderson/Brian Eno

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Martin

Subject: Covers

how about; Ray Charles singing Life is a Carnival, Adam Duritz singing She Knows, Elliot smith singing Whispering Pines. All would be good interesting covers but none a patch on the originals, The Band!!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Reply to Jamie and Covers

Jamie, I am from Richmond. I don't get to Wolftrap often (check out their website, it's easy to find)due to distance (I travel the country for my job but that 2-1/2 hour drive to Northern VA is a cramp!)Just saw BB King there last night and what a show! So, my contribution to the dream covers of Band material would be BB King doing Ophelia. His voice and guitar would really fit the song. It was also moving to see him bring two of his daughters and grandson on stage at the end of the show; they happen to live nearby. How can I be both a fan of The Band and Tull? Good question, as on the surface they do not have much in common. I got into each during different musical phases and never looked back. What do they have in common? hmmm. Both have small but intensely loyal and devoted fans. Both flirted with commercial success chartwise but neither achieved Rolling Stones or Britney Spears commercial success. Both occupy an artistic niche that few others can really copy. Both write songs that require the listener to have a, for lack of a better term, more worldly views and experiences. Both have eclectic styles, etc. There are just as many differences of course, but I think both the Band and Tull are like an onion. There are layers upon layers to peel away in their respective music which allows me as a fan to never get tired of either.

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Jack Of Hearts

Rick talked about the women on the road in TLW so let's talk about the female posters in the Band Guest Book.

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Empty Now

Subject: To Susan from illinois - Additive comment

To underline why we prefer The Band

A friend of mine (Arab, male, 38 years) who saw the band for the first time in 'the last waltz', of course, told me:

They are the kind of guys that everybody hope to have for companions

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Diamond Lil

You did it again Crabby! Thanks so much for sharing your wonderful photos from the Blues Cruise! Levon, as always, looks terrific, and your shots of the NY skyline should be postcards. Job well done!

I'm really enjoying reading everyone's picks for Band covers. Some of them would really be amazing to actually hear. The only one I'd like to add (and I've said it many times before) would be Adam Duritz doing "It Makes No Difference".

Have a good day everyone.Hug Jan.

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Bumbles

Subject: Even More Covers

Snooks Eaglin – Look Out Cleveland
David Johansen – Orange Juice Blues
Robert Cray – Knockin’ Lost John
Peter Stampfel – Ruben Remus
Frederick Knight – We Can Talk
Allen Toussaint – Islands
Irma Thomas – Lonesome Suzie
Ronnie Hawkins (w/Booker T. & the M.G.’s) – Chest Fever
Clarence Carter – Rag Mama Rag
Lil’ Band o’ Gold – Time to Kill
The Mekons – The Saga of Pepote Rouge
Hasil Adkins – Strawberry Wine
Toots Hibbert – Where Do We Go from Here
Latin Playboys – Acadian Driftwood
Ray Davies – All La Glory.

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Amanda

What would I do without you???? You always give me perfect glimpses of my favorite drummer. Every shot was wonderful. You are truly gifted. Thanks a million! I am happy that it was such a special night for you.

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To a dear friend

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bob wigo

Great shots Crabby. So sorry I couldn't be there.

P.S. If that's who I think it is I'm on my way to Tower records to start my Lou Reed collection!!

;)

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Dave Z

Thanks Crabby... Awesome pics!!!

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Vitor Bernardes

Subject: Bought the Classic Albums DVD

Hey everyone,

I did it. To hell with the price, I had to buy that DVD. And I still don't own the brown album...

I spent the whole weekend watching and rewatching the video, and I am in awe until now. Those guys are nothing less than geniuses. Levon has been confirmed as my favorite guy (this is quite a tough choice, btw), I just love the passion he seems to have for music. He seems to breathe music. And my favorite bit of the video so far is Levon & Simon showing the different tracks on "Rag Mama Rag".

Thanks to everyone who replied to my original post here! And I can't wait to put my hands on "The Band" album... Vitor

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butch

Subject: the WOLF

for two days, HOWLIN WOLF lived,,,,,

THE GREAT HUBERT SUMLIN, Levon Helm, Jimmy V, Mike Merritt, & the wonderful Davey Jo,, david johansen ,,,,, brought the music & legacy of Howlin Wolf to life !!!!!!

With David JO growlin & prancin like the wolf,, just lettin his love for the blues come thru,, he was shakin & bakin all night (s) long,,,he was the front of the band,, the mc, but with jimmy v, ya dont get the mike to yoself,,,

of course, " our hero " Levon, was grinnin like a racoon with an ear of corn,,he was soooooo happy playin with Hubert again,, they are truly soulbrothers,, & with Jimmy Vivino, it was pure music,,,

mike & levon got into their groove & that solid bottom never wavered,,,,

Hubert was scorchin',, better than ive heard him in a long time,,,rippin out little leads that built into soulful wails,,, & groovin rhythms when vivino took the front,,,

Davey jo had the crowd eatin out of his hand with his pure channelling of Chester Burnett,,, & all those johansen things that make him such a NYC favorite,,,

of course,, the gaping hole in lower manhattan put a damper on the cruise, last year we had the TOWERS,,, now , we had LADY LIBERTY, lighting the way,, she was as beautiful as ever,,, as we sailed by her,, everyone took a minute ( or 10 ) to reflect,, it was sobering,,,,,,

& it was inspiring to see that good ol RED , WHITE, & BLUE, shining on the Empire State Building,,,,

Bless this land & her people,,,

all in all, tho, it was a wonderful night , ( as was the next night in asbury park, )

the blues are alive & well, The Wolf is still a powerful force in music, Levon, Hubert, Jimmy Mike & David are incredible musicians,,,

& there will always be one loser who has to sneak in a video camera & disrespect the wishes of the musicians & film then,, watta loser,,,,,

but the night was a winner,,,,,,,

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John D

I'm lovin' Crabby's Pics from the Blues Cruise and am full of envy. Levon looks like he's having a blast. One of the things that I would have like to have heard from that band is David Johansen. I now have both of the Harry Smith CD's and he is frigin' great!! Makes me forget he's had other reincarnations over the years all together. He has found his voice in The Blues!

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Jenny T

I would also like to hear P. D. Heaton (of the Housemartins and Beautiful South) sing I Shall Be Released. Also I can see Sheryl Crow doing This Wheel's on Fire. Aretha could do Whispering Pines beautifully in a low register, the Kentucky Headhunters could do a country fried Jemima Surrender, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers could get creative with Chest Fever. Too many big names?

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Peter Viney

Tom Jones on Volcano was a great one. How about:

Blind Boys of Alabama: I Shall be Released

Aaron Neville: really any Richard song, but let's say 'Whispering Pines'

Taj Mahal: Daniel & the Sacred Harp

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Jenny T

Subject: Covers

So many interesting ideas. All I can think of is Bonnie Raitt doing Orange Juice Blues, because her voice is so good for those I'm fed up with you bluesy songs, and maybe she'd put in some cool sliding.

Going the opposite way, I was listening to Bruce's Tunnel of Love the other day, and I was thinking how well Rick could have sung many of the songs.

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Yazooman

Great photos by Crabby !!! Check 'em out @ Updates.

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rosalind

"Luu_si_anna Lou..and Three-Card Monty John...Oh Boy, What a Natural pair...Lookin' for a game.." See now, Hank's impressed me!

Speakin' of Louisiana... Anybody in here listen to Zack Richard? I love him..

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JQ

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JQ

Subject: insired

Hey Bayou Sam - Jerry Reed is an inspired choice, we should find a song for JJ Cale in there somwewhere too.

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Fred

Stompin' Tom Connors with Great Big Sea: Acadian Driftwood

Ian Anderson (& his flute only): Lonesome Suzie

Ray Charles, BB King & Taj Mahal: We Can Talk

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Hank

Subject: Texas Hustlin' Billy.... Lord, he's on the road again

.....he was seen in New Orleans the other day........

Aw, shucks......Thanks Amanda!......

The Band song I'd cover is "Katies Been Gone"........That song is due a revival somewhere, somehow by someone.....

There's a song by The Allman Brothers called "Louisana Lou and Three Card Monty John"....surely y'all have heard it, all you Allman heads out there.....I absolutely LOVE that song......the song, the story, the groove, the playing.......but you never hear it like you do, say, "Blue Sky" or "Ramblin' Man" and it's a Dickey Betts song, I'm certain, in the tradtion of both those songs........It's a story song and I can see it all.....like "Lily, Rosemary and The Jack of Hearts" or "Mexacali Blues" or "The Weight"........There's two drum-kits on it (natch) and you can really hear them bouncing off each other.......anyone got any more suss on this tune? I know it's from an album called "Win, Lose or Draw" but do they still play it live?....have they EVER played it live?........How do Allman heads rate this song overall?

Wow! I've been accused of being a Jihad supporter...... here in The GB......by someone too cowardly to print their own name......well, THAT figures........don't be a scaredy cat chicken, Mullah Omar......If you REALLY believe in what you write, be brave enuff to let us know who you are........

In this paragragh space, I just spent the best part of an hour writing..... answering Mr Omar.......But y'know what??...... what I wrote in reply just got too silly for even ME......so I erased it....("hooray" sez you!)

All I can say is........ Beware of Darkness......

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Charlie Young

Subject: Into the Music

I'm here in the birthplace of Appalachian string music and happy to see that the talk has returned to music here. I assume that the "Dutch" who kept sending test messages was some emissary of Ronald Reagan, excited by a forum where Jimmy Carter can be called a "Communist" (I guess building houses for poor people warrants that). It's funny that Jimmy was patriotic enough to actually serve America in the armed forces, rather than just pretend to do so in mediocre movies.

Anyway, I saw that Elvis Costello "Musicians" program on Bravo this weekend and it was excellent. I wish that TRIBUTE TO THE BAND collection really existed, but I suppose it's like trying to cover songs by the Beatles or Beach Boys--the artist doing the new version has nowhere to go but down...

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BANDFAN

MAYBE REACHING A LITTLE ON SOME BUT HERE IT IS ALL LA GLORY - VAN MORRISON - CHRISTMAS MUST BE TONIGHT - JON BON JOVI - DANIEL & THE SACRED HARP - ALLISON KRAUSS - DON'T DO IT - DELBERT MCCLINTON - GET UP JAKE - JOHN HIATT - I SHALL BE RELAEASED - NATALIE MERCHANT - IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE - ROB THOMAS - KING HARVEST - JOHN MELLENCAMP - THE NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN - CHARLIE DANIELS - OPHELIA - ELVIS COSTELLO - RAG MAMA RAG - TOM WAITS - RIGHT AS RAIN - STEVIE WONDER - THE RIVER HYMN - BRUCE HORNSBY - THE RUMOR - STEVE EARLE - THE SHAPE I'M IN - GEORGE THOROGOOD - STAGE FRIGHT - NEIL YOUNG - UNFAITHFUL SERVANT - CAROLE KING - UP ON CRIPPLE CREEK - ROLLING STONES - THE WEIGHT - ARETHA FRANKLIN, ETTA JAMES, MARIA MULDAUR - OK, LET ME HAVE IT. KJB

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Chris

Subject: Doesn't CNN have a F'ing guestbook

Right On Viney!

I was thinking of Van Morrison on "Lonesome Suzie"

Waits could do a great "Tears of Rage"

Springsteen and The E Street band should do "Chest Fever"

Wilco - "Jawbone"

John Hiatt - "Ophelia"

Chrissy Hynde - "It Makes No Difference"

Levon Helm and The Barnburners - "Long Distance Operator"

Bob Dylan - "Look Out Cleveland"

Once ya start ya just can't stop.....

A big old hello to Butch...Hope everything is going well. Love to see you men back out in the windy city some time, you all are going to force me to move back east. Say hey to the boss.

John Cass: I've seen The Allman Brothers Band a handful of times this summer. Always excellent. Warren and Derek sound terrific together. Saw them at the Chicago Theatre and saw them open for Phil Lesh and Friends at Summerfest. in Milwaukee. Great shows.

Paracute Lady: I always thought Rick and Robbie were talking about the impending storm. Anyone else?

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Jeff

Bayou Sam, I agree that Jerry Reed is perfect for "Rag Mama Rag". Johnny Cash might do a killer version as well. As may Dave Alvin. For that matter, Dave Alvin probably could do alot with quite a few Band numbers. I hate to sound like a close minded S.O.B., but I doubt that any artist can improve on The Band's material. Which is not to say that someone may not do great cover versions. But I think the concept of tribute albums has gotten kind of out of hand in recent years. Is it possible that that has a relation to the scarcity of excellent new material?

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Bayou Sam

Thanks Peter for putting the train back on the tracks.

J Tull = you mentioned Brian Wilson and the piano. One of the legendary Brian stories is when he had a piano put in a giant sand box in his house so he could get the feel of the beach when he wrote. I guess it worked.

How about Simon and Garfunkel doing "It Makes No Difference", with Artie on lead vocal.

Jerry Reed = "Rag Mama Rag."

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Ken Smith (usmc4u2c@aol.com)

Subject: Snaz

Bought "Snaz in 1981 while in Japan, one of my all time favorite live albums. Didnt realize i would not be able to get another copy so i sold it back in the mid 80s. Of course i had it on reel 2 reel, and cassette, which have gone bad over the years. Can anyone, please help my aquire (one way or the other) this great live album. I would appreciate any assitance.

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Fred

Delbert McClinton: Rag Mama Rag or Ophelia

Blue Rodeo: This Wheel's On Fire

Taj Mahal(because he always seems to be on these type of things): The W.S. Walcot Medicine Show

Chumbawamba (hey why not): The Shape I'm In~2002 anarchic dance remix version

Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros: Look Out Cleveland

Tom Jones: Volcano

Tony Bennett (with Garth on accordion): When I Paint My Masterpiece

Robert Plant:Jemima Surrender

I took the UNCUT approach to this hence some of the "unusual" choices...and hey shouldn't a tribute CD have some different angles to it?!?!

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DUTCH

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DUTCH

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bonnie

Subject: radio

Tommorrow NPR's Morning Edition will do a feature on Helena,AK. and its blues tradition . BR

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bassmanlee, again

Richard Thompson does This Wheels On Fire.

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bassmanlee

Joe, fabulous list! Just as I was trying to figure out which song fit Mr. Hiatt, I was thinking Emmylou for Daniel, but I think maybe she'd do Acadian Driftwood.

Adam Duritz and Counting Crows for Pepote Rouge?

Shawn Colvin does It Makes No Difference with one of those spooky John Levinthal arrangements?

Al Green does Up On Cripple Creek.

Sorry Jamie, I can't hear Sting doing anything by the Band. Except maybe Forbidden Fruit? He could swing that up a bit.

Elvis Costello (with the Attactions) tear through Shape I'm In in about 3:00 flat in their early style. Then he returns with the Dirty Dozen to do Ophelia.

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Joe

Thanks Amanda. Fascinating article. His last two albums are truly amazing as is the man himself. 'Elderly' artistic progression possibly unequalled in popular music's legacy?

Yeah I think Bruce could do as much justice to Levon's vocals as Levon did to Bruce's Atlantic City.

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Amanda

Joe: Sorry...I didn't clarify myself. That was a mix of old lyrics with new. The tradition in which Dylan had used old songs from other writers to create his own masterpieces. I got them from an article. http://www.heresj.com/stories/0318_dylan.html

BTW: I do think Springsteen on "All La Glory" would be lovely.

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Joe

Sorry - guess they're all superstars. Still eh, what the hell.

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Joe

Randy Newman on 'Across the Great Divide'

Michael Stipe on 'Just another Whistle Stop'

Bruce Springsteen [solo] on 'All la Glory'

Bruce and East Street Band on 'Look out Cleveland'

Tom Waits on 'Lonesome Suzie'

John Hiatt on 'Daniel and the Sacred Harp'

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JQ

Subject: delicate ground now

PV - The lady's (the perp?) take on Long Black Veil sounds interesting. I think I'm treading on sacred ground here now, but what about Linda Thompson as one of a 3 part on I Shall Be Released with Mavis Staples and Mary Coughlin - I hear she's off the jar and back singing now. It's impossible to choose the "best" 3 gals, I'm suggesting something disinctive that might still blend well. Although I would hate to take responsibility for any outcome of a cover of this song. Remember I'm one of them self-congratulating & lazy guys that whats-his-name referred to earlier.

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Joe

Just wonderin if you've got the same Love and Theft CD as I have? Just that the lyrics of Lonesome Day Blues seem to have moved on a fair bit from my copy.

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BPT

Subject: Band Traders Digest

Thought some of you would like to know about Bandtrades, a email list digest dedicated to the free trade of Band music on CD-R and DAT. Been operational for about a month and already 120 folks signed up. Check out our link. Thanks. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bandtrades/

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Peter Viney

Susan - I had the same thought about Van. Something, but what? I think it'd have to be a medley going from 'The Rumor' into his own 'New Biography' then into 'Why Must I always Explain?'

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Empty Now

Subject: To Susan from Illinois

I have already bought and listened the triple-album when I saw 'the last waltz' its launching day in summer 1978, while the planet was toeing the line for 'Saturday night fever'. Recently, I reviewed the movie during the civil war. So, I am at the same time an old and a new fan. I rediscovered that the athmosphere of the film is magic, the conjunction of the talent of Scorsese and the spirit of the band members embodies a way of living (not of life) of a marvelous period.

However, I sincerly believe that there is a Robbie Robertson for each generation.

As a justification to how is it possible to find The band fans in far differently cultured countries, here is an african proverb

'A HOUSE OWNS A COCK, BUT THE VILLAGE OWNS ITS VOICE'

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Susan

I want to hear Solomon Burke do "In A Station" with a bit of church-organ backing. The resident guitar player suggests "Life Is A Carnival" done by the Black Crowes. I'm not too sure about that myself. Gotta have Van Morrison do something, but what?

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Peter Viney

The DVD is the overdubbed version, but it has been radically remixed. Robbie's guitar is lower in the mix, Garth is higher, IMO.

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Peter Viney

Damn. Solomon Burke's a good one, but I was saving 'Long Black Veil' for Linda Thompson exactly in the style of her new album (backed by Teddy, Richard & Danny) except that she'd do the lyrics to the answer disc, 'My Long Black Veil'. A nice different touch.

Nice ones, Jamie, especially as we have the music on the site to enable the surviving Doors to fathom out the chords!

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DUTCH

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Amanda

Cheer up....Make somebody happy!!

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Amanda

I had forgotten that Love and Theft was released on September 11th last year. Listen to "Sad and Lonesome Day Blues":

"Today has been a sad and lonesome day, Today has been a sad and lonesome day, Waiting for the wind to blow the dust away. Towers of gold, standing in the sky, Towers of gold, standing in the sky, Don't look up unless you want to cry. Bombs in the desert, crying on the hill, Bombs in the desert, crying on the hill, Dog eat dog, gotta find somebody to kill. Today has been a sad and lonesome day, Today has been a sad and lonesome day, Waiting for the rain to wash the blood away. The wind was whispering, tried to tell what it was, The wind was whispering, tried to tell what it was, They say it's blowin' in the wind, but it never does. Gonna stand on the water, tell you what I know Gonna stand on the water, tell you what I know, If you want to make peace, you can't do it alone. Today has been a sad and lonesome day Today has been a sad and lonesome day The masters of war always make somebody pay."

Bob can be very creepy at times. I think we are all angry and frustrated and powerless. Robin Hood, Peter Pan, where art thou? If it was only that simple.

I'm not in the mood for any Band cover songs, unless Hank decides to do a Band tribute cd.

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yorktr

Subject: something about music

Say, not to change the subject here, but I do have the impertinence to ask the following question:

Having read here about overdubs on The Last Waltz, does the new DVD version represent the actual performances? Is the current release "overdub free"? Perhaps those of you who are intimate with your Complete Last Waltz can comment on how many, if any, of the songs still contain overbubs.

It seems to me that I notice some slight differences between the DVD and the previous incarnations of the The Last Waltz, and thus inquiring minds need to know...

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DUTCH

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Jamie

Subject: Many things

Ok, Peter....Joe Jackson, backed up by the remaining 3 of The Doors on "Chest Fever" (how many superstars is that?). Jimmy Cliff on "Twilight." How about Sting jazzing up "Unfaithful Servent?" And if The Stones do "Jemima," Keith can stay onstage with Charlie, Darryl, & Ron and they can do "The Shape I'm In."

New Fan...stick around and tell us what you like. I'm 21 & and I've been into The Band for a long time now. So much more than The Last Waltz. I've noticed my friends enjoy Stage Fright (but hopefully you own it already}.

Tull Fan...how exactly does one become a diehard fan of The Band and Jethro Tull? Also, I always hear you talking about Wolftrap...where do you live & did you catch Levon in Annapolis a few weeks ago?

"You should've seen the Atlantic Ocean back then..."

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Jamie

Subject: Elvis

Just saw an episode of "Musicians" on Bravo with Elvis Costello. Early in the interview Elvis was discussing his musical influences during his early 20's. He said that Van Morrison was important being from Belfast, and that The Band were huge influences at the time. He said "nobody could sing like Levon Helm, nobody could imitate that voice...but I wanted to sing like Rick Danko and Richard Manuel." Made me smile on this beautiful Sunday.

"OK, Mr. Biegler, you've got your panties in evidence now."

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JQ

Subject: great covers

Mr Viney - How about Solomon Burke, with just Garth backing on Long Black Veil? Unless you could somehow bring Rick's high harmony into it for the refrain.

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Peter Viney

British film critic Barry Norman recounts hearing John Wayne speak in Europe. He called everyone he could “a communist” and the audience assumed he was joking / sending himself up. Unfortunately he wasn’t and did not appreciate the peals of laughter he provoked. But it WAS laughable. The McCarthy era was 40 years ago. When people start throwing the word around (pinko is another) I almost get to the point of going out and buying Pete Seeger records. At least I start to understand why so many leapt to his defence! I typed out the manifesto of the POBYH party, looked at it, and thought, ‘Fair enough, but what about The Band?” So in the interests of getting music back on the agenda, let’s revive a well-worn thread (done at least twice). Imagine a Band tribute album. There are two paths.

One is to collect existing covers. That probably means including Joan Baez’s “Dixie” for historical reasons. Also Cassandra Wilson’s “The Weight” because it’s a very unusual take.

The other is the House of Blues / Uncut cover album tribute which is nearly all new recordings. Last time we did this there were some inspired suggestions – such as The Rolling Stones on Jemima Surrender and Paul McCartney on It Makes No Difference. Neither of those was a practical choice. These sort of tributes have almost obligatory contributors, and one who steps forward every time is Ani de Franco because she does something unexpected with the songs. So to start the ball rolling, track one is Ani di Franco on “King Harvest” done very slowly indeed. Continue? No more than one superstar in any list!

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JTull Fan

Subject: The Mighty Quinn

BINGO! Thank-you for saying so much in so few words. That is why I support lower taxes and smaller government: It can't be reformed so the best solution is to minimize its' corrupting influences by keeping it as small as reasonably possible. I support a large and strong military, but if congress was 100% republican we would have billions of dollars worth of weapon systems that don't work and are not needed, and if congress were 100% democratic you would have billions wasted on highways that go nowhere and regulatory boards that do nothing but create paperwork. PANAMA CANAL: A great technical and commercial achievement, but neither a proud moment in its' creation (Teddy Roosevelt created Panama by fomenting revolution and separating it from Columbia)or in how we gave it away. Another plague on both houses. DAVE in MN: Thanks for the plug. The drums on Locomotive Breath are actually Ian on bongos. For me, I am off to the BB King Blues Fest. at Wolftrap in Northern VA tonight. Y'all behave yourselves!

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Brien Sz

Subject: My Apologies to All.., and one final note

I like a good political discourse and certainly don't mind it in the GB, usually because it acts as a buffer between musical subject matters when things get to the slow side. I just want to apologize for continuing/antagonizig this circular debate that has no finish line.

SO one last note before I impose my own political silence for a while.., Carter may be an honorable man, with honorable intentions, but he was a weak leader, and a weaker legislator. He embraced the Shah to the last moment. Never took seriously reports of the Kohmeni movement because he niavely believed the Iranian people would never stand for an Islamic regime. He miscalculated so many things that unfortunatley, this man of a good heart, and wonderful intentions, will go down as possibly the worst president of the 20th century. Well maybe Harding or Hoover get the worst tag but he's right there. Carter's other flaw, he knew nothing of solid teamwork, didn't trust his advisors (he was an outsider in the Washington circle) and alienated his own party. A recipe that doesn't make for a successful presidency.

Thank you for your time and patience.., until later.

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rollie

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Quinn the Esquimo

Subject: Talking Politics

You people arguing politics have got to remember this: Socialists are into redistribution of wealth. All of our Politicians, Democrats and Republicans, are socialists. The Democrats redistribute wealth to the Democrats that vote for them: union members, teachers, social workers, etc. The Republicans redistribute wealth to the Republicans that vote for them: soldiers, defense contractors, businessmen, etc. In the end, the Issues are just the mechanism for the redistribution. The redistribution is just the mechanism for votes that allow them to stay in office. Staying in office is the mechanism by which the Politicians accrue personal wealth. Always been that way, and it will always remain that way. So you can argue the Issues until the cows come home and it just doesn’t matter, because the Politicians really don’t care about the Issues - they are a means to an end.

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Kalervo

Subject: Welcome to Johannesburg

USA, will you join us the Earth people and welcome to Johannesburg! Living on this suffering planet isn' t a solo project....

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R.P.R.

Subject: The Hororable Jimmy Carter

...Must not forget the most honorable acts of Jimmy. Nope! Never forget how he gave the Panama Canal(which America built and paid for) to one of his favorite dictators, who in turn sold it to Communist Red China. Thanks to that little nifty act the red chinese now control both the Atlantic and Pacific ports, thanks to a little non-voided legislation on the part of his "punk buddy" Bill Clinton!

And what about those Hungry North Koreans! This Stalinistic nation is headed by a nutball named Kim Jong-Il, a fella who gets himself all worked up by watching films like "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and then taking out his twisted fantasies on his own people. Millions of North Koreans are starving at any given moment and the Champion of Human Rights Jimmy Carter, upon meeting with this Jong-Il, kissed him! No criticism, just a big old sloppy kiss!

Remember Carter's Human Rights program? Where he demanded the Shah of Iran to step down and turn power over to the Ayatollah Khomeini. No matter that Khomeini was a madman, Carter had the pentagon tell the Shah's top military commanders to back off and not fight. The Shah's military listened to Carter, The entire 150 of them were murdered in one of the Ayatollah's first gigs! With The Shah gone, the whole region was dee-stabilized. yep...The Soviet Union invaded Afganistan, a di-rect link to the rise of the Taliban can be traced to this invasion. Iraq took advantage of the Shah's departure to invade Iran. The war that followed clearly helped make Saddam's Iraq a great middle Eastern power. Decades later, Iran is still hell-bent on destroying America. Axis of evil incorporated !

This Jimmy Carter was and still is, A Fool! A Communist, a Brown-Noser, a Dupe, a Pawn. A Mark they can count on! He's kissed the ass of ever dictator I can think of....and if Hitler was still alive, Carter'd be over there kissing Adolph's ass too! And How Bout that Castro? I can't get that picture of Carter and Leonid Brezhnev out of my head..excuse me while I go and puke!.

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Ben Pike

Sorry Brain Sz, but I DON'T apoligize for pointing out you misrepresented a key part of the book you disagree with. Woodward, who I am something less than a great fan of; mearly speculated that letting Tricky escape the courts, after committing felonys, signaled future Presidents they were above the law, possibly including Clinton. It's rather simplistic, but that's his take; and he portrays "quick and strong" Jerry Ford as so much of a bozo he becomes embarresed to be in the same room with him. Of course, to the white right, who are seldom called into account for anything, it was "quick and strong." For justice, is was cheap, reeked of conflict of interest, and was a TRUELY corrupt pardon, and it blatently served the interests of Ford's party over the intrests of the Nation. Thank God, with the help of The Band, this loser was sent packing and the honorable Jimmy Carter basicly introduced the concept of Human Rights to our political diologue.

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Susan

Newfan, Vitor, and all you other lurkers who've just dicovered the Band through the re-release of The Last Waltz:

Tell us what you liked and why you liked it. That will generate some real discussion here. These people are intelligent, articulate, and have a lot to say about the Band if they can get on topic. New voices are sometimes needed as an excuse to cover old ground again, and sometimes find fresh ways to look at old topics.

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Dave Z

Thanks Marsen... you're real close to where God vacations in late Sept... early Oct... email me at dlzuck@zucks.com sometime... and I'll reply with a picture scan... take care...

Misc ramblings... listened to Locomotive Breath today... has sorta Band feel at times... and I'm re-reading Levon's book a couple of years later... reads real nice... I'm on p. 144... and I can't believe all the new stuff I'm picking up... I also read some of the recently posted Garth interviews... great stuff... and found another one after doing a search on London, Ont... I'm daydreaming and painting today... gotta gooooooo...

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rosalind

I just noticed tha Hitch spells his name with and "e" . He is one of your boys ya know, check him out! The only one here today I agree with is the terrorist guy, altho I think he's a little off on the head count. There's no reason to attack us boy, as you can plainly see, we've done the work for ya! Americans are such candy-asses. And by the way.. Here's a dozen of long stemmed roses to stick down those big ol' bombs you got aimed at us. "Make Love...Not War"

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Bill Glasspool

Subject: Bessie

You guys have given us untold hours of pleasure with your music. Hearing Levon's country voice a sangin, sounds just like home folks. You would have to have lived to understand it! Thanks for all the good music through the years.

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rosalind

Subject: Books

Say, Have you read Chris Hitchins' book on the Clinton's called "No One Left To Lie To". Now there's a lefty lookin' out of his right eye. (and he writes for the "Nation" too).

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Doug

Subject: Ray & Environment

I did check out the Observer's article Ray -- thanks. While I think there are some good points about the planets fish populations -- I don't give much credibility to the other content -- the WWF's (article's basis) agenda is pretty clear I think, and I wouldn't rely on it as scientific information.

We could obviously go on and on about this subject but here are a few quick things: 1) When comparing consumption between countries, adjustment should be made for GDP levels. 2) Predictions like these rarely account for technical innovation and market forces 3) Look up predictions from the 70's about what the current stock of natural resources was supposed to be - and don't forget that there was strong belief that another Ice Age was coming in the 70s -- now of course it is a global warming theory.

I couldn't agree with you more on the AIDs crisis in Africa though -- it is absolutely terrible and there is definite need for the of US and others to rethink priorites.

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Brien Sz

Subject: It is a Full Moon isn't it!

Amazing how we can read the same material and interpret it differently (see the Bible, Koran and Torah as examples). I thought Fords reasoning for pardoning Nixon was right on. It was the only way to move forward. Just get the disaster over with and move on. It was a decision made quickly and strongly. That's what I ask of my leaders, whether i agree with them or not - they make the tough calls and let wanks like us (and Ben) second guess them to death. Ben I'm sorry my 20 word book report on "Shadows" didn't get your approval:( I simply put it out there as a source for others to derive what they may think. My take was, for all the money spent on SP's, what has it done, nothing. Sorry the US people dumb down Ben and vote republican once in a while. Geez, what nice things do you have to say about Lincoln..,You did know he was a Republican, right?

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JTull Fan

Subject: just a thought (politics, move on if you wish)

I consider myself conservative, not Conservative, just as there is liberal, and not Liberal. The differentiation is the lowercase letter being a philosophy, and not identification with a political group or movement. You can be a conscientous liberal without being sullied by the actions of a Liberal politician or group, just as you can be a conscientous conservative without being part of the Radical Right. A very important disinction, I think. My sun does not rise or shine with G.W. Bush no more than a thinking liberals does with Clinton or Jesse Jackson.

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Pat Brennan

to remind everyone why we're here, a little something I've never seen before:

http://bobsboots.com/CDs/g-18i.JPG

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Pat Brennan

As is documented rather deeply in Blinded By The Right, the far right's attack on Clinton was/is scurrilous. My position as a POBYH is based strictly on Al Gore's poor campaign and silly promises--even though he did win. And it was both parties that deregulated energy trading. And it was both parties that loosened regulations on CPA's.

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DUTCH

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Ben Pike

The rather self congradulatory "plauge on both their houses" take is simply lazy, and one should understand the obvious nature of reality;that the press and right wing nutcases who harrassed the Clinton White House with nonsense for eight years, whatever your feelings about Clinton, made the world a more dangerous place, and should be called into account for their actions in the context of 9-11.

Bassmanlee, do you include in your list of things Clinton "handed" his critics, oh, say... Whitewater? The Murder of Vince Foster? Travelgate? Filegate? The selling of cematary plots at Arlington? Sorry for "ranting" my uniformed friend, but all of these were false accusations, things Clinton was cleared for by the first, honest SP, that Starr and Ray (with the help of the Press) kept going for 8 years. Many of the sex scandels were propeled by the original State Trooper scandel were false claims were made by paid witnesses ("well," we were told assesing Paula, "He DOES have a record for this sort of thing...")Then of course, there's the possibly justifyable flack for White House sleepovers. Funny, that doesn't seem to qualify as wrongdoning anymore. It's almost as if a new standard was invented by the "left wing media" for the Clintons. What a shock. I suggest you do some research into some of this Bassman, because you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

The drawn out Iron Contra investigations were about something serious, and real crimes were committed that Bush Sr. had to pardon his cronies over. To put it simply, I would challenge any "Plauge on both your housers" to compare Watergate, Iran Contra, and the Starr investigations. If you can remain a "Plauger" after that, I would never darken your door with logic or reason again. Brain Sz, by the way, mangles the point of "Shadows", which strongly implys Presidentail abuse contiuned after Nixon because dim bulb Ford let Nixon walk. But I would strongly suggest anyone read the book and judge for themselves.

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DUTCH

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Ray Pence

Thank you for your last post, one of the best I've seen lately.

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DUTCH

Test

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DUTCH

test

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JQ

Subject: The Cal Gov thing

Mr Viney gets it right again. The POBYH is spot on. It seems that one cannot critize Bush without having Clinton's cock-ups brought into it. I think it's a viable view that both of them are craphounds, but we should be able to deal with the present problem as the more urgent. Bush was down here last night stumping (humping?) for the GOP's governor candidate Simon, whose company was (just, June I think) convicted of gross fraud and fined $78 million. So here's Bush, hand-in-hand with this crook, while moaning on about corporate corruption. Clinton's era aside for a moment, Bush #2 isn't a speck of the world leader #1 was, and #1 was no great bargain. That's it, no mas from the South.

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Andy R.

Subject: RCO Allstars Party...

Paul Godfrey: No, I was not at Levon's for the RCO Allstars party. I DO remember driving by it...they had a blimp or balloon or something. However I do have a tape of the party...the jams etc. It was quite an event!!

Andybr67@aol.com

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Brien Sz

Subject: Watch the membership tag

I'm not comfortable being tagged a sympathizer, Omar. I try to make it a point to understand other cultures, religious and political beliefs but to put me into the sympathetic jihad category (no matter how tongue and cheek you are being)I'm not sure I'm the bedfellow you might believe I am.

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Diamond Lil

Tull: What can I say? I was so absolutely awe struck to be mentioned in the same sentence as you that I had a momentary loss of reason and forgot to post it. So sorry! :-)
And yes, that was me who mentioned how "Wonderful Copenhagen" and TLW theme sound very much alike. Don't you just hate when you get a tune into your head and you can't get rid of it? Consider yourself lucky however that it's only the very beautiful "Copenhagen" that's playing in yours. I've had the very annoying "Sponge Bob Square Pants" theme song in mine for weeks now, thanks to a co-worker who sings it to me everyday. Arrghhh! :-)

Have a good night everyone.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Piano and TLW Waltz thread

Was it Lil? In any case, whomever said the TLW Suite is similar to 'Wonderful Copenhagen', thanks a lot! I can't get that out of me head now. I used to have to sing it in grammar school music class, and it IS similar. Can't fault Robbie on that, however. If you set out to write a waltz, especially for the first time, how can you end up with a result that is NOT derivative? On the piano thread, what about Brian Wilson, best known for his bass playing originally? I recall footage of him writing Surf's Up on piano.

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Len Capon

Subject: Real Rock Babes

We love this site.

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Bayou Sam

I was just out at an electronics/music store called "The Wiz that's in the process of going belly-up. I was looking at CD's, and my wife, with our two-year old son, was elsewhere in the CD section. When she came over to me with my little guy sitting in a shopping cart, we realized that he was holding a CD in his hand that he obviously plucked out of the rack when my wife stopped the cart somewhere. The CD he was holding was The Band's Brown album.......What are the odds. I guess the kid's got good taste. We must be doing something right.

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Peter Viney

Thanks to Bumbles for the info about these Dylan & The Hawks shows which actually have Levon on drums. The quality sounds as bad as the Berkeley shows by your description, but as an historical artifact, it sounds worth seeking out. Looks like it's time for more record fairs. (P.S. This is deliberately back to the music!)

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New Fan

Im 18 years old. A complete different generation then most interested in The Band. The begining of this summer a friend of mine sat me down and put in TLW. I was totally blown away. The Band is the most talented group I have ever had the pleasure to listen to.

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Mullah Omar

Subject: 9/11

I am happy to bring you news that at long last a book (September 11, 2001: The Big Lie" penned by French investigative reporter Thierry Meyssan) which details the TRUTH about the events of last September disclosing that a military faction of the US government used remote controls to guide the two passenger jets into the Twin Towers and that a US missile crashed into the Pentagon will be soon be available through Amazon.com.

Finally, the FACTS are out!!!!!!!

BTW we extend a warm welcome to new Jihad sympathizer Hank and express appreciation of continued support from vanguard GB Taliban sympathizers jeff Newsom f/k/a Rollie and Brien Sz. I trust you have all received advance copies of this wonderful tome from the French publishers, Les Editions Carnot.

Allah be praised!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ray Pence

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,750783,00.html

Doug, thank you for the reply and I'll look for the article you mentioned, while rejecting the idea that it (or any report) is unbiased. The above link will take you to the source for my comments, a British paper that hardly qualifies as sensationalistic, as I define it at least.

Another important number that puts things in perspective: 70 million people at risk of dying of AIDS in Africa in the near future. That's right, 70 million, while we worry about Martha Stewart and continue to quarrel about Bill Clinton and talk about how we hate one another for our opinions, and about how somebody we all like hates the "hideous" Hillary Clinton (would it be better if she were "pretty"?)

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bassmanlee

Subject: politically related...feel free to scroll by...

uh, Humble...that depends...are those African or European swallows?

I guess I have to throw my 2c in here as it is tough to sit in silence while Mr. Pike presents his half-baked arguments (rants) and the smug conservative side of the GB slams his lobs back down his throat. I am basically of the liberal\progressive stripe, and believe me, I look back on the Clinton legacy with a good deal of sadness and disgust. Let's face it, the faction that hounded him for his entire term in office has effectively won. By making the trivial and sensational (Hillary, Whitewater, Monica) the issue rather than allowing discussion of substance, policy, etc. much of the Clinton agenda was forestalled. The continued state of our health care system for instance is a world-class disgrace and one of the biggest failures of the "free market" philosophy. But Bubba certainly handed his foes a whole lotta ammunition.

On the other hand, I find it hard to agree with some of the reactionary rhetoric that Mr. Pike's (and others) comments evoke, like the moron who believes that any discussion or criticism of the current régime and its policies is tantamount to writing a check to Al Quieda. From the age of reason on, my philosophy has been 'My country, right or wrong', but not in the sense that the conservative wing states it. When my country is wrong, it is still my country, and it is my duty and obligation to stand up and SAY that it is wrong. Our current emperor IS naked, boys and girls, no matter how many of you wish to clothe him in your minds. The idiot chimp stutters while leading us into the Apocalypse, his fingers pressed firmly into his ears as he attempts to hear no evil - or any opinions of the allies he naively thinks we have. Stupidity is the real Axis of Evil.

The question was asked, why are the deaths of Sept. 11 seemingly 'more important' than those of Oklahoma City or Columbine? Partly because they are more recent and our society has a short attention span. Yes, partly because of the news media has new soap to sell, and so we move on to the latest crisis. But also because of the external threat vs. the internal threat, and the size and mystery of that threat. We knew there were militia whackos in our country, we just didn't think that they would ever get their act together enough to actually do anything. Oklahoma City took considerable air out of their balloon, and they're still out there, if Sept. 11 hasn't made them totally ineffective. We knew there were disgruntled and alienated teens out there, but again we didn't think they'd turn suicidal tendencies into homicidal ones.

On the other hand, as a society we have our heads in the sand in regards to how we are perceived in this world. Yes, we ARE an empire. We have troops in Asia, Europe, and Africa, and have for most of the last century. We have overwhelming naval and air superiority on a global scale. We can just about read your license plate number or tell you how your garden is growing anywhere on the planet. We have economic clout beyond any other single country, and intentionally or not, our culture has insinuated itself in every corner of the globe. Yet we are blind to the cultures of others, and don't understand how anyone could possibly hold any of this against us, let alone hate us enough to attack us where we live. We forget that we have supported oppressive governments and stepped on other people throughout our history, but the victims of those regimes and those stepped on have not. Collateral damage is when people in other countries die in support of our freedom and foreign policies. There isn’t supposed to be collateral damage in this country. We are outraged! (Of course you could just as well ask why the deaths of Americans and Israelis are 'more important' than those of Palestinians or Afghanis.)

Now, am I not patriotic? I love my country. I actively support citizen lobbying groups. I vote. I stand and sing the National Anthem at every opportunity, and I know the bloody words, too, which seems a rarity these days. The land of the free and the home of the brave is accompanied by a raised left fist. Power to the people, of the people, by the people, and for the people and don't you f*cking forget it! I don’t have the flag plastered all over my car, but then again I didn’t have it sewn onto the seat of my pants in the sixties, either. It saddens me to see that the flag is no longer treated with respect and “patriots” let it stand in the rain, rip itself to shreds at 80 mph, and sit discarded by the side of the road, or stick a plastic one in my front yard with their business card attached. (Yes, really.) But I know full well it is merely a symbol of our Republic, and not a sacred relic. It was old Ollie North who taught us back in the eighties that you could wrap yourself in the flag and burn the Constitution, but don’t you dare wrap yourself in the Constitution and burn the flag!

Our system of government is based on debate and discussion, consensus if possible, and compromise when necessary. It is not based on ‘winner take all’. To function it must rely on the respect for differences of opinion and the acknowledgement of the worth of one's opponents - a concept that is sadly too little recognized in these days of polarity politics. To stifle such debate and discussion in blind obedience, or shouting down any criticism in the name of Patriotism and ongoing 'crisis' signals the end of that system, pure and simple.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - George Orwell

Thoughtful response welcomed if you can read between the lines...drendall_(at)_fcc_dot_net. Hey, back to the music...

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John D

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Pat Brennan

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Doug

Subject: Greenpeace

Ray - Yes there are some environmental challenges ahead -- but the claims in your post are sensational and not based on science (although the two planet thing could be true if you fudge enough numbers this way and that). For you -- and anyone else here -- that wants a straight forward, unbiased, scientific (and economic) account of the current state of environmental affairs - there was an issue of 'The Economist' a couple of months ago that had a excellent special on the state of environmental affairs.

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Ray Pence

I don't want this to sound self-righteous. That's a tip off to the fact that it probably will.

As Bob Dylan sang sagely, we live in a political world. Our guestbook isn't exempt.

Right now I've got Live on Breeze Hill in front of me, wondering if the Greenpeace logo means anything these days. Has anyone noticed, just to give a glaring example, that Antarctic glaciers the size of U.S. states have been breaking off and falling into the sea?

Anyone familiar with the predictions that by 2050, this planet will be pretty much uninhabitable?

Or the statistic (yes, from a "liberal" group of scientists, but we'll find out what arguing over labels will get us, sooner than we'd like) showing that if everyone on Earth consumed at the rate of the average American, we'd need at least TWO additional planet Earths to survive. Average Americans: that's me, and it's probably you, too.

Puts things in perspective: I can think about my legacy, we can think about ours, and not worry so much about what we THINK is Clinton's, or Bush's, or Butch's, or Ben Pike's is,

and concentrate on the reality of what's happening to the planet.

And then maybe DO something about it.

It might just "make a difference."

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Bayou Sam

Subject: great piano story

Yes...yes...the piano thread. Great story from the Beatles Gear book =

..........McCartney recalls a moment when Lennon arrived late at the studio, keen to do some work, only to find some rather stale fellow Beatles running through yet another take of 'Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da'. Lennon did not pick up the guitar, but he strode over to the piano and instantly played what we now recognise as the songs opening notes.

"And we all went, "Fucking hell!'" recalls McCartney, laughing. "I thought we were gonna hit the roof - and that became the total vibe of the song....."

I love that story. It kind of shows the Beatle magic at a time when the band was starting to fall apart.

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Peter Viney

This is a party political broadcast on behalf of the “plague on both their houses” party. I’m sorry that you ‘hate’ the PBOTH party, Ben. We in the POBTH like to have friends on both sides of the debate because we like to view people as diverse rather than as political animals. In the UK situation, some of my friends are local Labour politicians. My brother-in-law is a local Conservative one. I have no difficulty in breaking bread with both sides. As JTull Fan says, “politics is sideshow bread and circuses.” I admit that the POBTH (Plague on Both Their Houses) party has no solutions to society’s dilemmas – in fact not having solutions is a central plank in our manifesto, but feel that there is a middle way between the “Hang ‘em” and “Hug ‘em” viewpoints. I remain fascinated by comparative political systems. In spite of various relationships at Head of State levels, the Democrats are more akin to the British Conservative party. The Republicans are to the right of anything here. The British Labour party even it its current New Labour guise are to the left of anything in the USA. In Europe, even the right wing parties take socialized medicine as read, and accept graduated taxation as the norm. From a distance the US debate seems to take place within very narrow parameters. Here, the gap between the parties seems to be narrowing rapidly. At the end of the day they’re all “politicians”. I’m not. While I try not to meddle in American politics (in spite of studying it for three years at a younger age) I suggest apathy is a reasonable response to a situation where the choice for so many of us throughout the world is not between ‘good’ and ‘evil’ but between the Reprehensible and the Slightly-less Reprehensible party.

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Hank

Subject: Build to Destroy

"Democracy don't rule The World.....you better get that thru yo head.........

This world is ruled by violence............"

Thank you, Bob Dylan......

Sept. 11 was a well-orchestrated attack on NYC.......planned and designed for maximum impact worldwide.....It's easy to blame JUST Islamic extremists but NOTHING like that goes down without some scoundrel WITHIN knowing what going on........It's almost as if The WTC was BUILT to be a target and destroyed.......Don't forget, Sept. 11 was NOT the first time The WTC was attacked.......

Try to remember what The World was like just BEFORE Sept 11. 2001.........The USA was effectively rent in two in all areas of society: Pro Clinton vs Anti Clinton.........Gore vs Bush......The abortion debate.......Anti-globalisation Riots......White Supremacy....Black Supremacy.....Oklahoma.........The USAs close ally in The Middle East, Israel, was about to be declared racist by a UN council in South Africa.....and we was all getting emails about how nasty them Afghanis were to their women folk and being asked to sign petitions........

Sept. 11th pretty much wiped ALL that stuff out..........In the year since, MOST (not ALL, mind you) folks in the USA are pulling together and acting in a UNITED way and putting petty squabbles and major differences behind them..........

Govts. always wage war on their own people by letting the enemy in.....it's a gamble....but if it works, it strengthens society, boosts technology and gives the Govt. a chance to go after and nail those who they consider dissidents.........plain and simple..............AND now that all the mountains of Afghanistan have been charted and broken down by intensive bombing and invasion.......there's work in them thar hills and who-knows-what rich mineral deposits to go after.........

.....but I guess that's better left unsaid, eh?

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A Humble Worker

Subject: Ornothology observations

It's a simple question of weight ratios: a five ounce swallow could not carry a one pound coconut. Not even TWO swallows, with a strand of creeper held under the dorsal guiding feathers, could do it.

So the question remains: where did King Arthur get the two halves of coconut? Like trying to figure out why some Band members feel the way they do about certain matters, some questions will go forever unanswered.

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Marsen

Greetings to all! As a long time lurker, this GB is as essential to Me as My morning coffee. Even though many of us haven't met in person, we feel like were in a community of friends. It's A truly wonderful place Jan has created for people like us who are crazy about The Band(and Band-related artists).It never fails to baffle me about how some seemingly pleasant fellow Band fans can become so angry and take personal offense to someones oppisite point of view, especially when the thread is political Bullshit.(let alone the fued) If all of us GB'ers were gathered at a Barnburnres show, or the Gurus, or even an old Band show, would we be standing around arguing, or taking marvel in our one common interest? My guess is that even the most arrogant and nasty posters would be curteous and pleasant, due to the phenomenon of people becoming ass**les while hiding behind a keyboard.

With the re-release of TLW on DVD, there has been a noticible increase of either new Band fans or old ones re-discovering them. As Bayou Sam said it's fun to see someone get turned on to The Band (Vitor-Get as many albums as you can). Anyway,it would be nice to have someones first visit to the GB a good one. Many great intelligent posters have vanished....(Al Edge is sorely missed)..many are still here....(Peter Viney, Hank, etc.)......Maybe Jesse Jackson could restore peace in here? Amen.

Dave Z- I envy your trip this summer. You must have passed through my hometown Duluth (Dylan's Birth town) on your way down the North shore of Lake Superior. Now I reside in the booming metropolis of Twig, 20 miles North of Duluth. We gotta stir-up some more Minnesotans....see ya!

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Dexy

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Brien Sz

Subject: A Good Book

A very good book on the subject of Independent Councils (did i spell that right?) and the Presidency is Bob Woodwards, Shadows. Very illuminating. I was shocked that in his analysis of Reagan, he came away thinking he was really out of the loop on Iran-Contra. Nonetheless, it is an excellent read as it covers the fruitless investigations into Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton. In other words, for those who don't want to read this book, the investigations, all of them, were a waste of taxpayers money.

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biffalo bull

to all you believers in democracy, please read michael moores book, stupid white men. and then listen to your favourite band tunes.

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Diamond Lil

Ben Pike: I am going to tell you that you've made some very valid points in posts. I don't see things as 'black and white' as you'd like to believe, and I try to give the opinions of others some reasonable consideration. My comment about what I perceive to be your narrow-mindedness is simply because you seem to find it hard to say anything without being condescending. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as everyone else is entitled to theirs. If you don't agree, that's fine. Making a good point or having a valid opinion doesn't necessarily mean that either one of us is right. I can respect your beliefs while not agreeing with them. All I ask is the same courtesy. Apologies for the last post to you. I should've said this instead.

And on that note, I am going to refrain in the future from giving my opinions here about politics or religion. It's too much of a viscous circle. Sorry.

Have a good day everyone.

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JTull Fan

Subject: BP and an attempt to answer Lil and John.

The Independent Council may well indeed have been a flawed law as you contend, Ben. It was passed by the democrats to go after Reagan and his administration, and it came back to bite them with Clinton. Wait! Stop! I don't want to debate another Presidency. My point is you have a tendency to not see the forest because of the trees. It's POLITICS Ben, and how it is reported in the media is sideshow Bread and Circuses so people like you and me can fight over it, but we can choose NOT to. If you would put down your hate-glasses for a minute, you may be able to accept that although my political beliefs and theories are different than yours, it is because I believe in them, not through malevolence or conspiracy, but because I believe that is what is best for the world. I have to assume that you believe what you do becuase YOU sincerely believe the same about your convictions. Yes, many of our ideas are opposites, but that is no reason for hatred, contempt, or violence. It is a reason for respectful debate. JOHN & LIL: Stalin made a statement that 1 or 100 deaths is a tragedy, and a million is a statistic. I do not think 9/11 has in any way reduced the significance or horror of Oklahoma City or Columbine. Last week at Atlanta Airport I was in the bar drinking my anti-terrorist liquids when that kid in the CA school shooting was convicted. The whole bar focused on school shootings in conversation and there was nothing but horror, contempt, and disgust. It is natural to focus on the most recent event, and in 9/11's case it was of an unprecedented scale, and with constant terrorist alerts (and that threat warning system is just the most insipid...)it is natural to remain focused on it. Plus, Lil is correct in that there is countless videos of it unlike the other cases, and millions (literally!) of witnesses. Plus, so many of us have seen or been in the Pentagon and Towers, unlike having actually been to OK and Columbine...John, I also think it is unfortunate to stop Arabs and those of Arab decent at the border on the anniversary of 9/11, or any other day, but I blame the terrorists for that. What are we to do? You have to profile, unlike at airports where I have been stopped several times and even had the guard searching me telling me what a joke the system is... Anyway, I know I have only partially answered your questions, but hope I at least contributed. PS: Lil, You did not mention enjoying being in company with me along with Butch :(

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gilberta Iman

Subject: diamond lil

Your kind and sensitive post regarding the Sept.11th "what ever you chose to call it" neglected horrors outside the borders of the US. Are you familiar with the term "collateral damage" ? That is what the military calls the innocent people slaughtered in the various actions taken to secure supremecy for this country. Imagine Americans hearing of their loved ones referred to as "collateral damage". That is the outrage of the rest of the world. The disregard for human life outside the dominance of the Flag is most likely one of the contributing factors for the loss of respect America is now experiencing. You did tug at my heart-strings when mentioning those terrifying dark moments, but perhaps if we spread those sentiments worldwide by including all mass killing we would be taking a step further towards peace. Spread those arms a bit wider.

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jeffrey

But we really should leave hate out of this.And damnit, I promised myself no more politics in here..........

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Bayou Sam

.............and I was trying so hard to stay away from that stuff in here. Where's Rollie\Jeff? He must be busting.

Music = did you ever hear the original "Sounds of Silence" - the way S&G first recorded it? - without the electric overdubs? - very cool.

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Bayou Sam

John D = the guys that did the Oklahoma bombing were caught. One is in jail, and the other was put to DEATH. It seems to me that we didn't treat that one very lightly. We can't stop everyone in this Country from doing that again - but those guys sure as hell won't.

Now we need to do what it takes to make it MUCH less easy for the fucks who did the Sept. 11th attacks to do it again - and we need to try to catch the chicken-shits hiding on the other side of the world that sent these others here to do the dirty work.

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jeffrey

Hang in there Ben! It's funny isn't it? How you can be pro-democracy, try to uphold the Constitution,ask for an investigation into the events of 9-11 , and still be considered un-patriotic in this GB!!!!???? Don't get too absorbed. Very few in here have actually looked with any sort of depth into the events and information surrounding this event. I consider myself a "Patriot". The sooner Ashcroft and Bush restore my rights and privacy( a privilege reserved for them so it seems) the sooner we'll get around to seeing eye to eye. Don't hold your breath.Undoubtedly, someone involved in the tips program has already reported the likes of you and I!!!

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rosalind

Subject: Questions and Answers

Question: What's the difference between a left-winger and a puppy?

Answer: Puppies stop whining when they grow up!

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Benpike

Thanks Lil! I wear your contempt like a badge of honor. Narrow minded? please, enlighten me. I guess I should be more open minded, and accept independent counsels who try to destroy a politial opponent, all the while claiming nutrality, and then afterwards goes and campaigns for his fellow witch hunters? Is that your idea of broad minded? Those of us who have defended the formor, in most ways affirmative Presidency from all comers, have had a rather lonely vigal; you might have the decency to grant me that. You might ask yourself, in what I would mark as honest heartbreak over 9-11, why has their been no offical investigation?

Glad you remember the Journey thing though, it is the glue that forever binds us!

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Calvin

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Edward R Murrow said that on October 15th, 1958 in a address to Radio-Telivision News DIrectors Association. And the problem has grown. Basically in the states we have CNN, Headline News, CSPAN, CPAN1, Fox News and MSNBC broadcasting news and politics only for 24 hours a day. 7 Networks that need to come up with "News" for 24 hours, every single day. That John, more than anything else, is why the media runs and runs and runs with a story like September 11th. Because the must to fill space. Lil mentioned the rash of child abductions, In fact child abductions are slightly down in 2002 as compared to 2001, yet the media is reporting them as if it were way up. Its no less a problem, but there has been no rise in abductions in 2002. The media simply has too much time to fill, sometimes the way they milk a story disgusts me-and I made a living as a journalist in the mid 80s. You are right though, a lot of the backlash has to do with them being of a different race, easier to tell "them" from us. I'm sure everyone remembers the prayer vigil they had at churches the Friday after the attack, I went into a church for something other than a funeral for the first time in 15 years, but I chose to go to a Mosque-a naive gesture maybe but the attacks on some local arabs disgusted me and I had a need to make a gesture. I was treated so well that evening, the lets turn those countries into parking lot brigades disgust me. They just flat out disgust me.

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Pat Brennan

It is being reported that the Hawk's operation was unsuccessful, that the doctors could not remove the tumor.

John D, as much as I love you, I can't go into it here. As you recall, the GB closed down right after 9/11 due to the heat and I'd rather not risk it again. However, post an email and I'll gladly compare notes with you or anyone who would like to carry the topic further. Mine is shepat@mindspring.com

And, as Brother Ray would say, "Love the man. He's a little drunk, but love the man. Now, where is security, there's supposed to be security."

Lil, copy my email and paste it to your screen. A quaint but effective reminder when lines of communication are clogged.

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Diamond Lil

John D: You ask a very good question, and one that I've thought about myself. Although the events of Sept 11 were reprehensible, it's difficult for me to think that the innocent lives lost that day are somehow more 'important' than the innocent lives lost in Oklahoma City. Or the innocent lives lost on the Pan Am Flight years ago. Or the children who were murdered at Columbine HS. Or the children who are being abducted and murdered by lunatics here in the states lately. Life is precious.. _every_life.
So.. my opinion on the answer to your question would have to be (sadly).. the media. The sensationalism of the tragedy of Sept 11, the live videos of the towers collapsing, people running in fear and screaming, planes crashing... a tragedy unfolding live. Networks here had round-the-clock coverage for more than 2 weeks. The sickening visual of those towers crumbling is seared into our memories, until we all felt virtually overdosed on grief and over-taxed emotions. And network ratings soared. So why not replay it all on the 1st anniversary? Why not let it consume our every thought again one year later?

Many many heroes came out of the Sept 11th tragedy, and thousands of people lost their lives. Lives are lost in violent and sickening ways everyday. Everyone should be as important.

Thanks for listening. I'm tired and going to bed. Goodnight.

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Mike Nomad

Wow! Lotta bullshit in the BG today.

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Dave Z

Quinn The Eskimo: My guess is that the reviewer of TLW from Atlanta (i.e. your link) is among those who feel that the only real R&R is Punk Rock. I wish them luck in their effort to change history.

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Susan

Subject: Classic albums dvd, John D

Vitor, the Classic Albums dvd is well worth money, but it's going to make you willing to pay any price for the Brown album, because most of the songs discussed are from that album and you don't get to hear complete versions on the dvd.

Some of my favorites bits are the sections where Levon and Robbie (seperately) isolate individual tracks and tell us how the sound was built. Rick sings a solo version of Unfaithful Servant, and Garth play keyborad and sax, his fingers stretching like spiders over the keys. I suspect many of us have the entire thing memorized.

John D, I can't explain any of what you ask because I have many of the same questions. I'm not going to debate here in the GB; there's no point in getting all worked up about exhibitions of fear and shock and pride and localism and jingoism, and the actions of an administration playing out war game scenarios.. Don't ask why, it just is, and hope it goes away before too much damage is done.

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Bayou Sam

Vitor = everyone will tell you to go get the second album called "The Band" next - know as the "brown" album. It's a must. It's always cool to hear the excitment of someone just discovering this music. Keep us posted - oh, and those posts after yours - well that happens in here sometimes. Don't let it scare you off man.

llka = thanks for explaining. I must admit that I was a little cofused about your Bob comment. It's cool.

A lot of musicians, who aren't known as piano players, compose on the piano. I remember the first time I saw the scene in the "Let It Be" movie where George and Ringo are running through "Octapus' Garden". Ringo is on piano - then George (with guitar on his neck) comes over to the piano to play a chord change suggestion for Ringo. I remember being shocked at the time, thinking that these particular Beatles never went near a piano.

Speaking of Ringo - I heard that they did a poll in England to determine the 100 greatest Britons of all time. John, Paul, and George made the list - but Ringo didn't. Shit. Did to guys over there vote for Ringo?

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Richard

Subject: John D's question...

Great question John. As it’s not directed at me, I'll refrain from making any of my own conjectures at this point. Let's hope (no, let's pray) for some real good answers from the Americans here.

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Lil Again

Your people forgot to call my people again :-)

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Quinn the Eskimo

Subject: TLW

Check this link for a unique assessment of The Last Waltz.

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Diamond Lil

Know what Pike? I've had just about enough of your narrow-minded, one-dimensional drivel. You don't know me.. you don't know anything about me..and frankly..I couldn't care less what your deluded opinions about me may be. For someone who "hates" me as much as you do, you seem to be incredibly obsessed with anything I say. That "Journey" idiocy comes to mind for starters. Whether my likes or dislikes, or my beliefs or disbeliefs coincide with yours or not.. I really don't give a damn. "Hate" me if you want, it doesn't change my life or the way I live it one bit. And please don't get the impression that you've upset me in anyway. I find your nonsense too funny to get upset about.
Oh.. and thank you so much! I feel very honored to be included in any group that includes my friend Butch.

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John D

Subject: Sept.11th

As a Canadian I can't ask anyone up here this question; therefore may I throw this one out to my American cousins. I notice that all three networks are gearing up for the anniversary of Sept. 11th. Also beginning that day all Canadian Muslims that originally came from the countries that Bush put on the "bad" list will be fingerprinted at the border, even if they are second or third generation Canadians. Visitors from these Eastern countries I can understand; by the way going through this process. Remembering that we Canadians rounded up all the Japanese and put them in camps in British Columbia during the second world war; which we are still holding our head in shame for.

Here comes my comment & question and it is a sincere one please. I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

Firstly what happened on September 11th was absolutely deplorable and so very, very sad. I want to make that clear. NOW. If I were a relative of the Oklahoma bombing I would be PISSED! It appears that if a white anglo-saxon American blows up a bunch of kids and adults....it's now just a rather sad part of American history. But if the menace comes from outside of the country.....lookout here comes John Wayne! There will be re-broadcasts of the day............giant concerts are going to be held. What about the people in Oklahoma? Did they have to be killed by outsiders in order to be remembered as New York-Washington will be? Again I just don't get it. I just feel that America is picking and choosing who to be angry at. Why didn't Americans DEMAND that these militia groups be rounded up.....or bombed........or SOMETHING??? Thanks for listening and I am really looking for some good insight here so I can better understand the DIFFERENCE IN EVENTS.

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Benpike

Well, be on notice Tullfan, those of us who love the country, and rightfully despise this Judge who puts his hand on the Bible and swears to be "independant" then pulls the crap that perhaps only a Jesus hypocrate like Starr can pull, we do hate the sad bounty of destruction such crude behavior produces. Pity my hatred? I'll return an ocean of pity for the viciousness, lies, and projected self hatred of anyone who has indulged the Clinton hating goon squad. Rosie babe, all I can say to your childishness is to note: "no examples given." No arguement, no reason, truth, just "ditto." Grow up.

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Blind Willie

There was a paragraph in the Toronto Sun today that said something about The Hawk and Levon in Toronto on Sept. 15. Can anyone provide details?

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rosalind

Subject: Be careful folks...

BenPike is a prime example of what happens to you if you watch too much CNN. Hook, Line and Sinker.

The Clinton Legacy? Only people with eyes can see the damage.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Opie & Whomever and Ben Pike

Ben: You 'hate' me, Butch and Diamond Lil? I can see you not liking what we stand for, but give us a break! Trust me, there must be greater, more powerful people in your life worthier of your scorn! I do not return your hate. Assuming that what both of us actually stands for is irreconcilably at odds, then I think the laws of the universe will ultimately settle the question regardless of how high our individual soapboxes may be. So, rather than spew hatred at you in return, I'll just say that I am sorry you feel that way and hope your opinions mellow with time. On the Andy and Opie thing, those DJ's who got fired for the sex in St. patrick's scandal: First, if that happened in a mosque, synagogue, or Buddhist temple, you can imagine the outrage. Why did they feel the need to defile anybody's holy place? It was a pretty hurtful thing to do. I wish, rather than just being fired, the owners of WNEW lost their license. Why? Nothing to do with the scandal or morality, but rather because 102.7 WNEW used to be one of the last great radio stations, home to Scott Muni and that Sunday night free form radio show (was it 'Idiot's something or other? ) I remember the host playing Whispering Pines back in 1996 while driving over the GW (me, not him). I used to live for that station, and now, with the current owners, rather than play great music, old an new, it's just the latest, syndicated, cookie-cutter crap which to me represents everything wrong with radio and why the music scene has become what it is. If you want talk radio, switch to AM. FM dj's, if they open their mouths, should talk about music, musicians, concerts or just shut up!

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Benpike

Uliff, thanks for the window of sanity. Yes, the hate Clinton brigade is simply a weird, irrational cult indulged by a media that had sex to sell, that had our eyes squarely on Gary Condit when the planes hit the buildings. And Tullfan, while I thank you EVER so much for doing ME the favor of not pressing your "Clinton was the one who benifited from Enron" point; since it happens to be total nonsense I will say, TullFan, Butch, Dimond Lil, as much as I hate you and everything you stand for, I do give you solid points over the apathitic, or even, sorry Jan, the lazy, "plauge on both there houses" types. If Gore had been granted the office he in fact won, we simply would have had a smarter, better qualified office holder; and there is considerable reason to believe would would be in much better shape.

Notice I cannot even pry a word of scorn for the real villians of Impeacment, so best to simply re-write a classic ballad.

"These be seven curses on a Judge so corrupt,

That Seven Wall Street Journal smears cannot aid him,

that six puff peices on Nightline cannot sheild him,

That five trucks full porno testimony cannot aid him,

That four softball questions from O'Reilly cannot protect him,

That three Million from the Tabacco companys cannot ease him,

That two immunity deals can't put the fix in,

AND ONE GREAT COUNTRY WILL NEVER BELIEVE HIM

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Vitor Bernardes

Subject: Classic albums: The Band DVD

Hello everyone,

First time poster here, and also a new fan. I discovered The Band only a couple of months ago (I had heard of them, of course, but never their music), and I´m still in shock. They´re simply amazing, they blew me right away. I got instantly hooked.

Well, the only album I have is Music from Big Pink, since here in Brazil there are only a couple of compilations officially released (and I don´t want compilations, I want the whole thing). I was lucky enough to find an import copy of Big Pink really cheap. Great. I´m also considering buying the Classic Albums DVD, and I thought I´d ask here how good it is, since it´s gonna cost me a little more than I´d like. I think I´ll buy the thing anyway, but it doesn´t hurt to ask what you think about it.

This is a great site, btw, easily the best fan-made site I´ve ever seen. I look forward to taking part in some discussions here!

See you, Vitor

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bonnie

Subject: Amazing Grace

A few years ago Bill Moyer's Journal (PBS)featured a documentary on the hymn Amazing Grace. Not only did the program document the historical context of the piece by John Newton it also traced the evolution of the song from its concept to its place in the American society of today. The voice of Jessye Norman (beautiful)(NY Met?) is featured on the documentary. If the opportunity arises it will certainly be worth a little of your attention.

Not only is the film still replayed on various PBS stations, I beleive it is still available for sale. BR

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Rich Forbes

Subject: Blues Cruise

Looking forward to seeing some of the GB'ers on the ship tonight...should be a real kicker!

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John D

Bill, if I come back in another life I want you to be my publicist! Thanks for all the wonderful comments from time to time...........it means a lot to me!

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Empty Now

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uliff

Well, I've heard Bill Clinton blamed for the terrorist attacks, the Enron scandal, forest fires an on and on and on ... now he's to blame for stupid Dee Jay pranks and bad TV shows ... it's just simply amazing ... will it ever f@#*ing end!?

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JTull Fan

Subject: Peter's thread on piano.

Funny you mention that DVD as I just bought it last week and what you mention is fresh in my mind. I do recall Rick Danko saying that This Wheel's On Fire was written when he was trying to compose on piano, and that its' structure is different than if he did so on guitar. Lennon and McCartney, separately and together, are also seen in many photos/films composing on the piano. There is an interview where George Harrison relates to how the then surviving three, while working to complete Real Love and Free As A Bird, recalled how Lennon's piano was (customarily) out of tune.

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emily benally

Subject: happy about your music

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"(To the band, rob, levon,garth, I love your music. please inform us fan on your new tour and dates thanks.emily"

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Jeff

Levon is playing in a show tonight that is one helluva night of American Music. Hubert Sumlin, Levon, Jimmy V., Mike Merritt, and David Johannsen. You cannot beat that. I am psyched and this needs to be said, and this is as good a time to say it as any:

LEVON HELM IS AMERICA'S DRUMMER!

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Bill

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Pat Brennan

If the presidency so effects US culture, I guess we can look forward to a nation of incoherent, post-verbal boobs who lie about their drug abuse and brag about not reading. Oooops, already here.

Of course, if the Supreme Court had decided on a whim to make Gore president, we'd have a nation of nerdy, pot-smoking know-it-alls who talked funny.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. I retract the whole thing.

Deja vu, Diamond Lil. It was you and I who traversed the Hans Christian Anderson/Last Waltz link oh so many years ago.

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Peter Viney

A reminder that RR sometimes composed on piano, witness the solo piano version of "Night they drove Old Dixie Down" on Classic albums. Also some of the 90s stuff has his keyboards. It's the kind of thing where a composer might play the keyboards when no one else was around, but unless you're desperate to prove versatility, it's easier to use a full-time keyboard player for most records. Don't know how good he was 30 years ago, but presumably as good as Dylan. i.e, not as good as Garth or Richard, but able to knock out a tune. And we don't know whether Rick or Levon could play piano too. They've always seemed the sort of instinctive musicians who given 30 minutes to play with an unfamiliar instrument could get something out of it.

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John Cass

Subject: Amazing Grace

On the Woodstock Mountain's More Music From Mud Acres album there is a great version of Paul Butterfeild and John Sebastion doing Amazing Grace on the Harmonica...just instamental it is great..

I would love to hear Joe Cocker sing that song..

to all of you lucky people seeing Levon this weekend have a great time and make sure to give the GB all the details on the shows...

I missed the Allman Brothers this past Tuesday at SPAC (only 1.5 hours from me) for the first time in about 5 years... has anyone seen there tour this summer???? and how are they sounding??

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Ilkka

Subject: To Bayou Sam

About Bob Dylan as the piano player: I quoted you incorrectly. You said that there were already two competent keyboard players in The Band which is - of course - correct.

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peter theroux

Subject: Blues Cruise 97

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Dave Wells ~ (the drummer)

Subject: Levon / Friends for Life

Yes JT Fan, Levon was in fine spirit and top form at the Heritage Bluesfest in Wheling WVA. I'd ALSO like to thank Butch for volunteering to take our pic with "The Boss."

Right after that pic was taken, my son Adam thanked Levon for the autographed drumstick and for being so gracious and kind. Levon replied, "Adam, you me & your daddy are friends for life."

Thanks Levon....and best wishes for good health ; so that lifetime friendship may continue on for MANY years to come.

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Bumble Bee

A woman who can say so little with such few words. Why do you even bother? No one reads you anyway.

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John W.

Not to "beat" a dead horse, but since the subject of Bill and Monica "came" up, let's remember how Barr and the other shocked conservatives, moral hypocites they may be, predicted that the attitude of "what's-the-big-deal-about-the-President's-adultery" would result in a lowering of moral standards across our society. Today we may be seeing exactly that -- a couple busted for doing it in St. Patrick's cathedral, T.V. getting more and more raunchy with shows like Anna Nicole Smith, "reality" shows that play to the seediest elements, and an "anything goes" mentality. Not that it really bothers me but -- you have to wonder if this is part of Bill's "legacy".

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Jeff Archer

Subject: The Band

I just wanted to say that I think The Band were the greatest band of all time. I don't think any other band played and sang with as much emotion and feeling as them. As a musician myself, I would have given anything to be in The Band. My two favorite singers are Richard Manuel and Rick Danko. Not to take anything away from Levon Helm. But just one listen to Richard's voice on "Tears of Rage" or "Last Of The Blacksmith's" just blows me away. Or Rick's voice on "Where Do We Go From Here" or "The Unfaithful Servant". The Band was in short I think, The most talented band ever.

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richie

Subject: amazing grace

loved the amazing grace thread. it was my mum's favorite hymn along with rock of ages and we sang both at her funeral just over a year ago. rockers love amazing grace too. rod stewart does a cracking rendition on ev pict. tells a st. the faces always did it in concert. iv seen van morrison and the neville bros perform it live. interestingly it was performed acoustically with mick singing by the stones at the recent funeral of longtime stones associate chuch mcgee.levon of course told the story in his book of himself getting out of the coffin in the take of his funeral scene in cm'sd to tell the mourners off because they wernt singing it properly. have the band ever sang it live together or solo. dylan certainly covered rock of ages in concert.

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Bones

I just received an advance copy of Dana Glover's Testimony cd. Robbie Robertson is the Executive Producer. It will be released on Oct. 15th here in the states. I've only listened to it once, but it seems pretty good. The title track is her own composition, by the way.

Hey Crabby: what ever happened to the Nicky Love cd? They obviously spent money promoting it, but it was never released.

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Parachute Woman

Correcting my previous post after getting out the old tape: At Watkins Glen the Band warms up with some instrumental noodling then Levon says "we're ready Bill" then Sam Cutler introduces Bill Graham who says the fine wine line, they tear into "Going Back To Memphis" then someone,maybe Robbie, says "Wish I could Do that" and "maybe it's the second coming" then "sound ok?"....next tune was "Loving You has..".so it was probably referring to the parachutist.

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Bill

Peter V mentioned "Wigwam", which was my first Dylan record. I never liked it, but it was on the CKFH top ten, which I won in a radio contest in the summer of '70. I took the Gray Coach to Toronto to collect my prize, which was handed to me by program director Duff Roman (who'd produced the Hawks' first session post-Ronnie). My radio hero, John Donabie, dressed in a velvet-ish suit, wandered past. It was all sooo exiting - much better than the top 10, frankly. (The other nine included "Yellow River" by Christie, "Julie Do You Love Me" by Bobby Sherman, "25 Or 6 To 4" by Chicago, "War" by Edwin Starr; 1970 was not a banner year for pop radio.)

Bumbles: I appreciate your guesses - and everyone else's when they take the trouble to identify them as such.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Levon photos from Butch

Thanks for the great shots! Nice to see that he appears to be in very good health and spirits.

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Quinn the Eskimo

Subject: Baltimore 8/18

"Quinn the Eskimo" played 8/18/02, Baltimore. First since the Isle of Wight, with the boys. Second time ever, the next night would be the third. I wish I had seen/heard [in person] the first! But I was glad to see/hear the second.

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Neil Diamond

A new Blues 4 cd set due out, titled "When the Sun Goes Down" featuring a hundred recordings of blues music from the mid-'20s into the '40s, many unavailable since thier original 78-rpm records..Arhtur "Big Boy" Crudrup's "That's All Right", Robert Petway's "Catfish" which latter became Muddy Water's "Rolling Stone", Sonny Boy Williamson's version of "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl",Blind Willie Mctell's "Statesboro Blues", sounds like a great collection, the article didn't say when this would be available but I know I will be watching....

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Peter Viney

Hazy Davy- a seriously interesting question which I’ll ponder while listening! There are really five contenders here:

Atlantic Rhythm & Blues 1947 to 1974, which came out as 7 CDs and I bought one at a time.

The Complete Stax-Volt Singles 1959-1968, which is 8 CDs.

The Complete Stax-Volt Singles Vol 2 1968-1971, 8 CDs again.

The one you missed – the “Hitsville U.S.A.” box set from Tamla-Motown, 4 CDs. They’ve just released the Motown Chartbusters series in boxes, but these were chucked together as budget albums and don’t tell a story in the same way.

Intriguing fifth one – Connoisseur Collections “The Soul Years” (I only have the 1964 and 1966 volumes) – but they collect from ‘all the other soul labels’ so you get Curtis Mayfield, Major Lance, Inex & Charlie Foxx etc.

John D is a lucky man getting to the heart of Stax! First off, don’t forget that a few of the cream of the Stax-Volt singles are on the Atlantic box set anyway (Otis Redding, Booker T.) Then there’s a completeness about having every Stax single that appeals, giving you the obscure ones (there weren’t any bad ones). The first Stax set beats the second set for me. There is even a Stax Singles Volume 3 box set, but I never got it. It had poor reviews, and post-71 wasn’t the era. The Atlantic one stretches way further back into early Ray Charles, The Clovers, Ruth Brown, Tiny Grimes – R&B rather than soul. The Motown one focuses on singles, is in mono most of the way and in chronological order. So, Marvin Gaye v Otis Redding v Sam & Dave? I think I’d take the Motown, but losing Don Covay, Otis Redding … this is like Sophie’s Choice! How about the remastered double CD “Atlantic Gold” – can I have that with the Motown? It’s got some classic Stax tracks on it too.

But as to the “Anthology of American Folk Music” every one of the soul box sets would beat it if I were fleeing the proverbial burning house. Which is probably why some of my opinions differ. I’m not knocking the anthology but it is pretty lo-fi, rickety stuff, so musicology rather than great listening pleasure. Yesterday I hit “Respect” (Otis version) on one of my many in car soul compilations and pressed repeat five times before I could listen to the next track (which was “You Must Believe Me” by The Impressions)!

It was Merry Clayton on Gimmee Shelter.

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ulbiman

Subject: Band related again

Sorry, I haven´t send a mail for a long time, but I´m still alive. There is a remasterd version with bonus tracks of the Gene Clark CD "White Light" released. There is a wonderful version of Tears of Rage on it. If you haven´t heard it by now you should do it. Another artist which is a hero of mine is Gram Parsons. If you like to read more of his life and his music, go and get Jason Walker´s book "Gods own singer". It is good to read and and bring some more light in his myterious life and death. Best regards!!

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Kalervo

Subject: Band related at last

Nice to listen an hour Band special on our best commercial Radio...Maybe a little Band renessaince is coming worldwide...I mean that the most visible trends in rock during the last 25 years have somehow diminished the importance of the Band. Punk, glamour, techno, heavy, hard rock etc. they all have the certain urban cynicism, even coldness, and adolescence which is so far away from the warm, rural and adult sound of the Band...I really hope that the bands like Wilco, Weeping Willows, Son Volt, Belle and Sebastian and many others will succeed. They are keeping the spirit of the Band high...

Bob W.: Thanks! I hope Chris will be on ice soon. He may have many international visits ahead! And I hope that the not-so good years of the Flyers are over. Ken Hitchcock is one the best coaches in the world and the team is strong. Ilkka Sinisalo is a regular ice-hockey commentator in radio here.

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Bayou Sam

What the hell are we talking about Clinton and Monica for? Fuckin'A!

Do you agree with me llkka?

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Hank

Subject: When I was a Cowboy

Rory gallagher was Raised here in Cork....on McCurtain Street.....his mom has a nice house just down the road from me.......met him once.....a sweet, quiet spoken man.....

Rory Gallagher is to Cork what Van is to Belfast, the Beatles to Liverpool, the Animals to Newcastle and The Stones to London.........ie He GOT IT......in the late 50ies and early 60ies he heard and understood and yearned to play this Blues they wre hearing on dodgy Radios. I woulda loved to have heard him jam w/Levon./

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John D

No one asked me; but if I had a choice between the Stax/Volt box set and the Atlantic Box it would be like Biblical times.....cutting the baby in half to find who who the real mama was. Impossible choice if you love R&B/Soul Music.

Tomorrow morning I am interviewing for the second time, Ms. Deanie Parker who was the second employee hired at Stax in the early 60's. She is also a part of the Stax Box set as she recorded two singles for Stax; but found her true talent as a publicist, liner notes writer and now in 2002 The Director of the new Stax Museum and Soulsville USA. I went to Memphis a few weeks back.......was allowed to don the "hard hat" and go into the yet unfinished Stax Museum. Studio A has been re-created with the slanting floor. Just like the original. We all have to remember that the Stax Studios was originally a movie theater called the Capitol. The neon signs are back up and the buildings are going to be beautiful. I for one will travel to Memphis (God willing) at the end of next April for the opening. Rob Bowman who wrote the Band liner notes, of course has written a wonderful book on Stax and did the liner notes for the Box Set. Stax lives again and I might be tempted to choose that over the Atlantic Box. Then again I wouldn't want to seperate the baby.

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JQ

Subject: Rory Gallagher

Wasn't he from Ballyshannon and then Cork, like? No big deal except to the muck savages up there.

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yorktr

Subject: Ape Man

Bayou Sam;

A DJ on WBAI used to play a version of "Ape Man" performed by the Esso Trinidad Steel Drum Band...I think I have a copy, (recorded off air), if you are interested...yorktr@aol.com

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Pat Brennan

Let me add my voice to those encouraging Paul Godfrey to post his material. We will all benefit from it.

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Fred

Subject: Air Guitar...the How Tos

For those of you wanting to "improve" upon your air gutiar techniques or who are just starting out check out The Guardian's website. By the way, to those air guitarists, why did you start out with the air guitar? To get the chicks, am I right?!?! hehehehe

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Long Distance Operator

Yes, of course, it is Mary Clayton. My bad!

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paul godfrey

Subject: Levon & All Star party

ANDY, were you at the LEVON HELM RCO ALL-STARS album release party in Woodstock?

I am slowly updating my website. A lot of folks feel I should share more of my photo collection and memories of DAZE gone by. I will get to it little by little.

So how bout it ANDY...wuz ya there?

shineonpaulg

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Dave Hopkins

Subject: Gimme Merry

LDO: If *my* MSMW, it was Merry Clayton on "Gimme Shelter." Someone around here must have the Let It Bleed liner notes handy...unfortunately, my copy's about 3000 miles away!

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Hazy Davy

Subject: Rehearsals

Doug: If a documentary film maker puts a camera in someone's face and basically asks them for their story -- that's one thing.

If the film maker stops and says, "that was good, but I like how you did it before" or "try emphasizing this part" or even, "let's hear you say that again," it gradually ceases to be a document of someone bearing witness, and starts to become a performance.

Someone bearing witness is simply stating what, for them, is the truth, without guile. A person givng a performance has an agenda -- is trying to make a point.

Scorcese could have edited the film so that it all felt off-the-cuff; so that all of it felt without guile or motive.

Instead, he edited it so that the film telegraphs to you -- some of what you are seeing is people trying to make a point and some of it is people simply....what? Just saying and doing stuff.

People wonder why TLW is such a great film -- it ain't just because the Band is in it, IMHO. But also because it was carefully made

The edits Scorcese chose to made me think: "God, look at that; what he just said is completely guileless and sincere, and it foreshadows something so profoundly sad." And at other times, "What's this cat telling me? Can I believe it?"

Fascinating...well, to me anyway.

Will give it a rest now.

Mr. Viney, your comments made me wonder, if you had to choose between the Stax/Volt boxed set and the Atlantic R&B set, which would you choose, and why? & I was surprised you didn't chime in on the Am Anth of Folk Music question.

OK time to go. Good evenin' to you.

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And finally

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Long Distance Operator

If my memory serves me well, I believe it's none other than Mary Wells who delivers the spine-tingling "Rape, Murder, It's Just A Shot Away" refrain from the classic Stones chestnut Gimme Shelter.

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Same interview

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Interesting

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Peter Viney

Soul singers- thanks, it’s always good to have something to look for in 2nd hand record stores- I was beginning to run out! The UK (Sequel, Ace,) produces many many superb soul compilations (Best Northern Soul Vol 145 etc), but single artists are less well served, especially if they made the cardinal error of not recording for Stax, Atlantic or Tamla-Motown. Oh, and Kent whose back catalogue Ace have been good with. I think of Gladys Knight’s Buddha classics, or Millie Jackson or Ramp on ABC (Come into Knowledge is a great never-on-CD album from the 70s).

Don’t watch “The Royal Tennenbaums” with me – we rented it on DVD tonight and I irritated the shit out of everyone by “spotting the tune” throughout being especially proud of “Billy #2” from Pat Garrett and “Wigwam”. How come they got Rolling Stones, Van M, Lou Reed, a Beatles song (instrumentally), Paul Simon, Jackson Browne all on one OST? Now I’ve got to rewatch it without spotting the tune.

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Doug

Subject: Hazy's Take on TLW Interviews

Interesting Hazy. I guess I really don't consider an interview 'rehearsed' if the interviewees are provided with a list of questions and told when the film is rolling etc.. Did you notice something else? A 'scripted' on the other hand interview would be really lame and kill the interviews for me -- but I don't think you are suggesting that. I'll definitely pay closer attention next time I watch though.

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JTull fan

Subject: I care but I don't too

Well, there was much more than Monica, it was just the lightning rod. And yes, if we really new what we suspected about all of them...Bottom line: I could argue this all day but I have to ask myself whether I really want to do that and drag the GB down because of it. So out of politeness, I DO back off some of my statements, not because I don't feel that I can't properly debate them, but rather because I I'd rather just be on good terms with the people out here and out of respect to Jan. It ain't worth it, and I'd like to think that I COULD have a friendly beer with Ben.

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Hazy Davy

Subject: Tied Threads

Thanks to all for your insight into Ol' Time Religion, Spirituals in general and She Knows. Never ever did I expect my posting to result in a note-to-self that says, "Check out song by Bread" but there ya go.

Bill: Well I guess an Englishman CAN write a Spiritual I was just surprised to find it out. Although maybe it was a Hymn when it was written and became a Spiritual gradually, due to performance practice.

Bayou Sam: Yes yes, She Knows makes me want to weep -- whatta great song...but that PERFORMANCE...it just tears your guts out. Richard's amazing because there's not a scrap of sentimentality in his voice. Sip the Wine and other scenes in the TLW, they gain power as time goes by.

Something else I noticed about the film this time around -- why, do you think, did Scorcese edit the film so that we can see that some of the interview segments are not, in fact, off-the-cuff, but are actually planned, rehearsed --are PERFORMANCES and thus we are to be (somewhat) suspicious of them (IMHO).

Thinking here of much of what RR says (Scorcese actaully directs him, for Pete's sake...), maybe some of what Levon Helm says, the beginning of Rick's studio tour (we see the false start and hear some stage direction) but NOT the "Sip the Wine" scene, and most especially NOT Garth's and Richard's talks, which are jump-cut to show -- these guys CANNOT be rehearsed.

Why did Scorcese do this, when it would have been easy and natural to edit the footage without the false starts, direction, recasting of lines by the performers...? Would have been a more obvious way to go. But Scorcese decided not to fool us.

Brown Eyed Girl and Kalervo: Of course there is a Now. It's the hub of the wheel, and we're all turning around it. Whitman said the universe is perfecting itself every moment; everything that needs to be happening, is happening, and that's all that's happening. "There is never any more perfection than there is now." Leaves of Grass. And that's all I'll say about that. New boots and panties to ya, I like Rory Gallagher, anybody that covers "Out on the Western Plain" is OK by me and that includes Hugo Ledbetter and Woody Guthrie.

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Pat Brennan

jTullfan, although politics is an awfully seamy enterprise, perhaps I'm being too cynical when I regard Clinton's dalliance as SOP in Washington DC. The list of penetrators, errr I mean perpetrators of the power-sex syndrome is quite long, with the likes of Hyde, Livingston, Newt, Dubya and a host of others avoiding the bullet that Clinton took. Perhaps we should demand that all elected officials get up in front of a judge and swear they've never taken a Class A narcotic. Could you imagine the laughs? Naw, I'm not being that cynical.

Rory Gallagher and his band Taste opened for Blind Faith and Delaney & Bonny on the Summer of 69 American tour. Taste was fantastic, and BF was really disappointing. The show was at the International Amphitheater in Chicago--a real echo chamber--and given the smallish PA etc, I'm surprised I have any musical memory of the event. Taste really made a huge impression.

Bumbles, I do believe we all have the right to voice political thoughts.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Ben, Ben, Ben

For someone who has such great taste in music; The Band, V.D. Parks, etc..Anywho, I DON"T think things are more corrupt now than the days of FDR and Huey Long. I also don't listen to Rush every day, or even every week, but when I do I enjoy it. You're making him out to be a bogeyman. I listen to Public Radio too, enjoy it too, but don't agree with it all the time either. But Ben, Clinton DID screw up his presidency, and no amount ouf fingerpointing at the Right will change that. Were some of them out to get him to varying degrees? Sure! It's called politics and it has been played like that since John Adams. What I'm saying is that Clinton fell into the trap of providing his enemies with copious amounts of fuel and fodder, which more than distracted him from his job. I don't want to hijack this site with politics, so let's just agree to disagree. I'd still buy you a beer if I met you in a bar so long as we stuck to music (mostly).

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Kay

Politics by definition is anybody's game. And there's often little correlation between what someone does and what he/she knows. Assuming you know what someone does....and aren't guessing

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Bumbles

Subject: E. Phillips/M. Wells

P_VINEY: “From a Whisper to a Scream” was issued on disc about 10 years ago (with bonus tracks!), but was, typically, deleted almost immediately. You might be interested to know that it was recorded during a period when none other than Pee Wee Ellis was Esther Phillips' musical director. As far as Mary Wells, Motown’s “Ultimate Collection” is the best available collection, featuring the hits, a couple of duets w/Marvin Gaye, some great overlooked Smokey Robinson songs, and, hard as it is believe of a Motown set, a few tracks from other labels, including the wonderful “Dear Lover,” cut for Atlantic’s Atco label. An out-of-print Mary Wells item worth looking for is “The Complete Jubilee Sessions,” the two late 60s/early 70s albums she recorded for that New York label compiled by the British label Sequel. No pop hits or any real R&B ones either, but a very different, almost deep soul sound, featuring production and some songs written by her then-husband Cecil Womack, brother of Bobby and, years later, half (with subsequent wife Linda, daughter of Sam Cooke) of the great Womack & Womack.

BRIAN: According to the ICE newsletter, Arista has cancelled the Rick Danko release.

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Benpike

Notice my central point being totaly ignored: you could can imagine a Democratic Judge being influenced, or even prejudiced by his political veiwpoints in a given case or situation. What you can't imagine in this bold faced, utterly open corruption of what Starr has done, acting as "independent" counsel and then going off to campaign for his impeachment buddies! It is in his resistence to such sleazebuckets that Bill Clinton showed his greatness, as simple and beautiful as Richard Manuel's drumming. Muggles, it is simply the inability of the like of you to distigush between "war crimes" and "Monica" that permitted the nutball right to disgrace themselves with the partisan Impeachment. FDR? ah, well, he didn't have a right wing hate machine willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (paying witmesses to lie along the way, by the way, see "State Troopers") in utterly hypocritcal obsession with his sex life(and they lacked a sleazy mainstream press, crazed by greed, to help out) chomping at his heels. That was a pre Limbaugh America, where Ann Coulter was not on the box 24/7 telling us the constitution has nothing to do with privacy, where the win at any cost, amoral wingnuts of the right were treated as the jokes they were and are. Why? Because charactor counted, and Supreme Court Judges like Clarance the Dim did not give fire breathing political pep talks because, well, that's not what a SC judge is suppose to do. Before the days of the Punk Rock right, Charactor counted.

So the stories of great men like Bill Clinton and Levon Helm who overcame their shortcomings will inspire us, who care enough about the truth not to post misinformation about important things(Enron) or even trival ones(the Band backing Carter) to get back to an honest America, where the likes of slime like Starr and Barr can work at at "think tank"; cranking out the do do for the ditto heads. A reporter this past week meakly pointed out that after 8 years of firestorms about Clinton's Lincon bedroom sleepovers, no one has said a thing about Bush doing the same thing. "Well, there are a lot of bedrooms in the White House", the Bush people said. I guess some of us DO have stupid written on our foreheads. And by the way TFan, maybe some of that Tax money went to pay down the debt, already moving back to what it was in the bad old days.

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bob wigo

"As far as Rick Danko’s songwriting credit for “Sip the Wine,” I’d guess that an agreement was reached with Tim Drummond (as well as Rick’s numerous other “cowriters” on the album) as part of an attempt by Arista or Rick’s management to present him as a singer/songwriter, a role more in keeping for someone of his stature whether he in fact wrote songs or not."

My question is why would anyone be interested in your guess?

As for Butch's commentary -- do you have more reliable information to provide us? If so, we're all ears.

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David Powell

Thanks Bumbles for pointing out the Esther Phillips version of "...Lay Down Beside You". Although Ms. Phillips may have garnered more attention than the 1972 Tracy Nelson / Mother Earth LP, Ms. Nelson's version may well have caught Rick's attention as well since that album also contained covers of three Bobby Charles songs, "I'm That Way", "Tennessee Blues" & "Homemade Songs".

I'm staying out of the political fray, except to say that I cast my votes this past Tuesday down here in Georgia. Let me point out that both Bob Barr and that representative at the other end of the political spectrum, Cynthia McKinney, were soundly defeated in primary elections -- that is they lost to opponents from their own parties.

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Brian

Subject: Where's the Danko Remaster??

I've checked amazon, tower, and no one has it. i thought the release date was to be in the beginning of August.

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GAZZA

Subject: RORY GALLAGHER

"

"at last someone mentions the great rory gallagher.i noticed brown eyed girl mentions that rory is from cork!true not only a great musician but his other claim to fame is that he took the first ever fender stratocaster to ireland.for his u.k. fans rory can be seen on b.b.c.2 re runs of the classic rock programme of the 60s and 70s "the old grey whistle test"these will be shown through august and september 2002.

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JTull Fan

Subject: To Pat Brennan

To clarify myself, there is certainly enough shame attached to Enron, Worldcomm, etc. to go around and around. No party has a monopoly on it or is free of guilt either. Ben's point (an I LIKE Ben, so my response was not meant to be personal, only a friendly nudge and I hope he takes it as such)of Clinton rising up from a disadvantaged past is a good and quite valid one, and that's what attracted many people, including myself, to him initially. Perhaps that is why the ensuing dissappointment is as great as it is. Clinton SHOULD have been one of our greatest presidents, and he had the ability to be great. But ultimately, he was his own worst enemy. Whatever one thinks of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Clinton himself should have known better, if not morally, then politically and strategically. FDR died with his mistress at his side, JFK had his affairs, but they were discreet about them and had them outside of the White House, etc. etc. Not to get tangled up in this and I am sorry to start....

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Peter Viney

I'll set out to track down the Esther Phillips album, and thanks. I aleady have a sudden desire to buy a Mary Wells compilation tomorrow, and this should fit the same area of the store. Hasd this sudden horrific realization that I only have about four Mary Wells tracks, which is not enough.

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Gilberta Iman

Butch, please explain why Levon would attend the "Innaugural gigs" of someone he "hates" ? (hate is one of those words which sends shivers down my spine and how awefull to hear it in referrence to Levon). Just curious. Did he like him BEFORE Monica ? Did Bill not give one of the roadies a cabinet appointment ? What ?

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Brien Sz

Subject: The present

Ben, it's 2002 already. Give it up. Your boy is gone, he's done. Starr didn't steal money, he wasted it. It's time to untape the Bill picture on your monitor and the reciept from the Arkansas Motel and put it to rest;)

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Bumbles

Subject: Sip the Wine/Bill & Levon

DAVID POWELL: If you’re tracking emotional intensity, your CD-R is sadly lacking its rightful high point: Esther Phillips’ original version of “To Lay Down Beside You” from her 1971 album “From a Whisper to a Scream.” Not only does Ms. Phillips’ version of the song inhabit a different universe from the others, it was also much more widely heard than the Nelson or Simon cuts, neither of which came from an album that made much impact. Produced by Creed Taylor, featuring new & recent songs by the likes of Allen Toussaint (the title track, of course) and Gil Scott Heron and backing from the likes of Bernard Purdie, Eric Gale et al., “From a Whisper to a Scream” was very high-profile at the time of its release, making both the jazz and rhythm and blues charts and earning a Grammy nomination for best female R&B vocalist (Aretha Franklin won and immediately handed the award to Ms. Phillips). As far as Rick Danko’s songwriting credit for “Sip the Wine,” I’d guess that an agreement was reached with Tim Drummond (as well as Rick’s numerous other “cowriters” on the album) as part of an attempt by Arista or Rick’s management to present him as a singer/songwriter, a role more in keeping for someone of his stature whether he in fact wrote songs or not.

Why would anyone be interested in political commentary from either a drummer or the guy who holds the pot & drives the car?

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Pat Brennan

but I think it's pretty well documented that a) Enron donations ran about 70-30 Republican, and b) the largest single recipient of Enron largesse was the Texas Republican Party. Deregulation of energy trading was certainly a Republican-sponsored concept that Clinton embraced.

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Pat Brennan

Always love to see that word bandied about.

I think what Ben was saying is that Clinton came up a long, difficult road to end up in the White House, a Horatio Alger type of story. Whatever political position you care to adopt, Clinton's story has that built-in Americana, up-from-the-bootstraps thing that makes for good reading.

John D, there's an interview with Rick on site (early 1976 I think) wherein he talks about signing with Arista. It would be interesting to find out when his solo album was recorded, and it certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was working on it in the fall of 76. I think his first solo tour was in 77.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Ben, I'm impressed!

You are suddenly concerned about the American taxpayer! The $50 million Ken Starr was allocated certainly pales compared to Bill Clinton's 1993 tax increase. Where did THAT go? Additionally, it has come out recently that Enron's single largest political contribution went to Bill Clinton. I guess they only became crooks after Bill left office and could no longer keep them honest. Regarding Barr, I agree with you that he could be somewhat hard to take all the time, but he was defeated by another Republican incumbent whose district Barr suddenly found himself redistricted into, and thus requiring a primary. I am a little confused as to your continued support of Clinton, as I thought of you as a Democrat first and Clinton supporter second. I bring this up because Bill has publicly stated that although Hillary is not a presidential candidate in 2004, she certainly will be in 2008. All well and good for him to be proud of and support his wife, but the idea of her running in 2008 means either that Clinton does not believe Bush will be beaten in 2004 and will not work for that goal on behalf of other Democratic candidates, and assuming a Democrat wins in 2004, then Mrs. Clinton will challenge a Democratic incumbent in 2008! Seems to me that Bill, as always, puts himself first.

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Muggles

Subject: to butch and a little to ben

hi butch: i've just always been curious about this. i think i met you after a barnburners gig in shirley, massachusetts at the bull run. i gave you a story i'd written about attending a previous barnburners show at harper's ferry in allston, ma. i was waiting in the parking lot and wanted to give it directly to levon, but it got to be late and i saw you loading up the van so i thought you could pass it along. maybe it wasn't you. maybe you have no idea what i'm talking about.

buti was just wondering if levon ever got to read it and if it amused him at all. it'd be pretty great to know if i made someone smile just once in return for the thousands of times they've put a smile on their face.

if you have no clue what i'm talking about, feel free to ignore. just a meager fanboy who was curious, that's all. please come back to boston soon.

-muggles

andy_muggles@hotmail.com

ps-"There is something fudementaly decent about a country that produces a Bill Clinton"...uhhhhh...i'm neither to the right nor left, republican nor democrat, but you have to be joking me. let alone the whole monica embarrassment, there's a couple million people dying in the sudan from bill's slight miscalculation that (ooops!) wiped out most of their medical supplies. i love america too, but there's something fundamentally wrong with a populus that can't even recognize its own war crimes and a media/government that hides them.

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Bones

By the way, it was 15 years ago tonight that Bruce Springsteen joined Levon on stage for renditions of "Up On Cripple Creek" and "Lucille". There was a picture of them together in Rolling Stone a couple of weeks later. Sorry to have missed that show!

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butch

he feels clinton was a disingenuous liar & worse,,, he & his wife really HATE the clintons,,

& yes, we were all @ those inaugeral gigs,, but time was not kind to the clintons, & Levon aint shy about voicing his disgust with them,

just setting the record straight,

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Ben Pike

Been listening to the Brown album all week, my heart swelling with pride over what a GREAT country this is. When crooked "judge" Ken Starr went down to campaign for fellow Clinton hater Bob Barr some cynics might have suggested this was the time for our tears. After all, this crook stole fifty million dollars from American Taxpayers, posing as "independent" prosacutor, now this "judge" comes right out and says Barr and he were both fighting the same battle! The press who gave this fake his legitmacy were of course silent. But Again, America is a great country, and in a move no one could have predicted, the voters threw out Barr(who outspent his rival two to one) and sent Starr and his fake Hollywood Patriot Charlie Heston packing! There is something fudementaly decent about a country that produces a Levon Helm or a Bill Clinton, and the whores of Fox News and there ilk can only fool them so long. "Where do we go from here?", looks like many more defeats for the election theives in the White House and the corperate crooks who bankroll them. For now, let's raise a toast with the first two Mrs. Barrs, and crank up "Rick Danko". What a town! What a Country!

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John D

Just a follow up to the post that Pat made re: Rick signed to Arista before TLW. That is absolutely true. One night after one of the rehearsals at TLW everyone was sitting around and Rick knowing I was in radio said, "Hey I'll have to send you a copy of my solo album. It'l be out pretty soon." I think he may have already started working on it during the final days of The Band.

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David Powell

Subject: Sip The Wine

I have found two versions of Tim Drummond's "I Want To Lay Down Beside You", both released in the early '70s. The first was recorded by Joe Simon and the second by Tracy Nelson & Mother Earth. Except for very slight differences in their arrangements, they are identical to the song "Sip The Wine" that Rick Danko later released.

I'm a huge fan of Tracy Nelson and I've always liked Joe Simon's smooth blend of R&B soul with country. That said, as I've mentioned here before, I made a CD-R with all three versions back-to-back, Simon-Nelson-Danko. The result is like hearing the singers build on the instensity of the emotional level of the song. Joe starts out slow & smooth with a nice orchestrated arrangement, coming on strong at the end. Tracy then turns in her trademark fiery interpretation, taking it to another level. For me it culminates with Rick's performance, as he reaches down deep to tear at the heartstrings of that beautiful song. In the end, it doesn't matter to me who actually wrote the song -- Rick turned it into his own vehicle with his intense rendition.

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Fred

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JTull Fan

Subject: Joan Baez serenades tree sitters, see link

Joan Baez, 'whose hits include The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' serenades tree-sitters in CA.

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bob wigo

Good to hear from you. It is very kind of you to ask about my son. Chris is currently two weeks into his recovery from a broken collarbone suffered during a summer league playoff game. He should be cleared to play just in time for the Varsity season beginning mid-October. I anxiously await the Flyers offer of a substantial signing bonus!!

He still talks often of his trip to Finland and meeting ex-Flyer Ilka Sinisalo.He has been blessed to see some wonderful places and meet many wonderful people at a young age as a result of his talents.

I hope all is well for you and yours.

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Kalervo

Subject: Kiitos Bob W....

Thanks Bob W.: I have to get that Ram Dass' book..How' s your son? Looking for a first season in Flyers?

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JTull Fan

Subject: Bashfull Bill

Thanks for the info! BWNWIT: Sometimes the Kharma just goes your way!

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Diamond Lil

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Neil Diamond

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Kalervo

Subject: Non-existence

Ilkka: My friend ...you are so right: NOW doesn' t exist..That is why it is so wonderful! Science is just a defined example of non-truth, which is working in the horizontal playground...nothing to do with vertical NOW...

In Robbie' s music is this vertical side...I am so glad that he has been firm not be a endless recycler...

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Dr Zhivago

Has anybody checked if Robber...er, Robbie has writer credits for Lara's Theme, too?

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A Shower Curtain

Subject: Hank

Hank -- you two timing son of a bitch!! You said that pillow was just a fling...and I suppose all of those socks were just 'friends'. You pig.

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BWNWITennessee

(There were also lots of Vandy coeds, in lots of unexpected wet t-shirts as a result of said cow piss, so I went home, and couldn't stop thinking about them, and... sorry, I was still thinking about that last post.)

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Calvin

I just got back from a Flatlanders show, with John Eddie opening, and if anyone gets a chance to seem them I can stress strongly enough to grab that opportunity. Just a tremendous show all around. It's been a good summer. Dave Davies, Jorma, John Sebastian, remnants of the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, The Doobie Brothers and the Flatlanders. Now if Levon would just come to CLeveland before the year is out. Butch? Is it a possible?

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Hank

Subject: Every Sperm is Sacred

Takamine Jumbo, Model No.EN 20C, circa 1980....all beat-up, scratched, sweat-stained and worn from the road.......

Simple EQ set-up of Volume, Bass and Treble......

The pickup, scratchy, in need of a service but sounding great thru any PA system, which is what Takamine are known for but, as it's a Jumbo, it sounds big and full even when unplugged.....which is handy when jumping into a pub session...........

Bought off of Declan Sinnott, well-known Irish guitarist/producer with Moving Hearts, Mary Black and Sinead Lohan (AND Band Fan), in 1990.

Martin SP Bronze Strings, 10s

One foot pedal - a white Boss tuner, a black leather strap and a black, hand-lever capo and one stainless steel slide.........

Hiscox Hardshell Case bought in England (in a shop in London where Brinsley Scwhartz works as a guitar repairman these days..........)

I plug straight in........go for a dry acoustic sound (ie. no reverb or echo)

I don't mind standing while I'm playing at all but I really enjoy sitting down and leaning into the music while rehearsing..........

The only thing that I can think of in sexual terms with regards to me and my working guitar is that the knobs are broken off the EQ set-up and I have to dig my fingers into it to adjust the settings.........

In all my years of performance I can honestly say I've never ONCE thought of masturbating on-stage. It's not a very hygenic thing to do in public and most people would probably get upset and leave the gig......... and anyone that would STAY would probably want you to do it again and again.......and that's GOTTA hurt........

I remember reading once that, in between 10CC and The Stones at Knebworth in 1976, a guy got on stage and polished himself off in front of a couple hundred thousand people.........I wonder if that's the kinda thing he'll tell his grandchildren in the future.....or right around NOW, seeing that it was 26 years ago.......then again, if he was wont to shoot his load all over the stage at rock concerts, he probably didn't have his own kids to have grandchildren...........

I wouldn't feel too comfortable talking about my own masturbatory past in here........It wouldn't be fair to all those pillows and shower-curtains I knew in my youth.....They could be reading this, y'know, and I wouldn't want to embarrass them.......

Thank-you to Bayou Sam, Diamond L'il and BEG for defending my honour in here.........and apologies to anyone offended by my post the other night........or by THIS one, for that matter.........

My Electric guitar is a Blade Tele.........with a wonderful fretboard.......

But that's another story...........

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Pat Brennan

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Bashful Bill

Hey JTullfan, your favorite band got the cover and feature story in the current issue of Goldmine, my favorite music magazine.

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Lee

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Crazy Chester's question

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Peter Viney

Well, Tim Drummond's "I Want to Lay Down Beside You" appears to have the same tune and the same lyrics as "Sip the Wine" - and Tim Drummond played on the album, so some sort of deal has to be assumed.

Dr Zhivago played in the biggest cinema here for about two years and in resorts they don't bother too much about changing the attractions as there are new crowds every week, so I ended up seeing it several times for various social reasons. Tried it on DVD about a year ago, and to my surprise it's by no means brilliant. Seemed good at the time though.

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BUTCH

a Friendly Reminder, kids,,,,,,

Levon,,,, HUBERT SUMLIN,,,,,,,Jimmy Vivino ,,,,,,David Johanssen (sp?) & Mike Merritt,,,,,,,,

A Tribute To HOWLIN WOLF--------\

friday ---- nyc pier 16 south street seaport

Saturday ----- Same Lineup,,,,

The Stone Pony Asbury Park NJ

a show NOT TO BE MISSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

see ya'll there,,,,,,,,,,

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Diamond Lil

Aah...... yes.. the theme from the film "Dr. Zhivago" , also known as "Lara's theme", certainly does sound a whole lot like the Last Waltz theme! Or maybe it's The Last Waltz theme that sounds alot like Zhivago...considering that Zhivago's been around for a looooog time. That was the very first film I ever saw at a drive-in theater with my family. I was about 10 at the time, back when you had to hook that awful little box-like speaker to your car window. Back when drive-ins also showed double bills. Dr. Zhivago was playing with a film called "The yellow rolls royce". Heheh. Why do I remember that? Beats me! :-)

Have a good night everyone.

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biffalo bull

was at a carnival on the edge of jarvis, ontario, just this past saturday night. it was the annual cornfest and had 3 bands performing, powerhouse , five man electrical band, and april wine. jarvis is situated on highway 3, up from port dover, and equidistant from the boyhood home of rick danko, and the summer boyhood home of robbie robertson. i am sure levon would remember this town as he sped past in the early days of the hawks. first up in the show was powerhouse, who highlighted with a near perfect impression of joe cocker doing unchain my heart. next came the five man electrical band of signs fame. they have acknowledged rick danko for his inspiration and generosity in their early days. they mentioned that their ohter influences were the beatles and buffalo springfield, and did a couple of their tunes, but muscically you could hear a dash of chest fever and a pinch of up on cripple creek spicing up their own compositions. a favourite of mine called wolfman was done under a nearly full moon. april wine rocked the corn off the cobs, with an energetic two hour show, featuring their own rock classics, and an amazing fifteen minute drum solo by jerry mercer. i guess you could say king harvest did surely come.

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To Crazy Chester

By the way The Last Waltz "Theme" is NOT a song. It's a tune. An instrumental composition. A tune becomes a song when lyrics are added to it. Ask Viney...he has all the answers to everything. .

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David Powell

Subject: John R. Cash

It is indeed a shame that this 1975 album is currently unavailable on CD. Even though it's basically Johnny Cash covering songs by others, his performances, along with the all-star cast of players, make it one of his better records of that era. Among the great pickers backing Mr. Cash on this album are James Burton, Reggie Young & Ry Cooder! There might be a ray of hope though -- Sony/Legacy has recently begun reissuing some of Mr. Cash's albums that have previously been hard to find or unavailable on CD. Even better news is that the Man in Black has completed another new album of recordings with Rick Rubin.

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Bones

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Jamie

Gotta give it to the great Martin Scorsese for choosing the perfect "clubhouse" scenes to include. I don't know how many hours of footage were shot, but I trust that the best & most appropriate footage was used in the final cut. Marty is a great director for so many reasons. He is so good with capturing a moment in time and in doing so ensures his films will stand the test of time. I'm betting Marty knew that "ain't like it used to be" would be remembered as a great line in the film. For devoted Band fans, there are as many memorable lines in 20 minutes of dialogue as there are in 2 hours of some other classic films.

"It hasn't been the same since Sam the Lion died."

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Crazy Chester

Subject: Theme From the Last Waltz

My wife heard "Theme From The Last Waltz" while we were traveling this weekend. She swears she's heard the song in a movie soundtrack before. I don't remember that. Does anyone have a definitive answer?

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Pat Brennan

Sam, Rick actually signed a solo recording deal before the end of The Band was announced. He said he needed to be busier. He also spoke excitedely about the end of the group and the arrival of new musical challenges. Perhaps he discovered that once the group was done, he missed it more than he thought he would, which from our perspective would make all the sense in the world.

The Dylan shot was from a voting rights stump he did with Pete Seeger. Not sure of the date.

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Ilkka

Subject: NOW!/Bob Dylan/Photos/Old Time Religion

My friends KALERVO and BRAUN.. errr... BROWN EYED GIRL: _NOW_ does not exist. It could be something between the present end the future but even the nuclear physics (btw Bill Wyman's favourite science) can't measure it. Sorry :-)

I usually disagree with BAYOU SAM, even today. Yes, BOB DYLAN is definitely a great piano player!

Thanks for the great photos: SERGE, JOY, BROWN EYED GIRL. But BRIEN SZABO is The King Of Nature Photographing. After seeing his photos I was stroke by a lightning and the results can be seen by clicking My link. - Thanks to gb regulars for inspiration and thanks to Mr. Høiberg to make it happen!

Thanks for the posts on "Old Time Religion" - my favourite scene!!! (Don't tell Ragtime...)

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John D

Subject: JTULL FAN /CHANGING THE BORDERS

I'm with you; but I always thought the mistake was making the border horizonatally. Let's make it vertically.........say the Mississippi River. That way I can either retire in Georgia, The Carolinas, Louisiana, Mississippi or Florida for example..........OR California if you guys want the east side -:)

I'm only semi-kidding here. I always thought we got the bad side of the deal with no warm place to live. Sorry Vancouver and Victoria are too rainy for me.

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Bayou Sam

just reading in here about "She Knows", I got that horrible feeling I get when I think that Richard is gone and can never put out more music.........I get the same feeling about Lennon sometimes..........sorry for the depressing post - I'm better now.

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Bayou Sam

Richie = thanks for the Ron Wood/Graceland response.

Brien = no, it really wasn't for the women.

Hazy = you mentioned the scene in TLW with Rick in the studio listening to "Sip The Wine". We've analyzed that one in here before I think (I know I mean). I find it kind of sad in a way. When MS asks Rick what he's doing, and Rick pauses and says "Keeping busy" - it seems to me like the separation of The Band has him kind of bummed out. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone?

Rosalind = sorry, but my memories of Hank's gig don't include noticing how he wore his guitar. The wore it so he could comfortably strum it I'm sure.

I saw "Don't Look Back" at a local theatre last night. I don't think I'd ever seen it all the way through. It was great. I didn't remember Alan Price (Animals keyboard player) being in it. He's kind of sad, booze swigging figure in it. There's a sort of sad scene where Dylan asks if he's still playing with The Animals and he's looks down and says "no, these things happen" - then he starts to pace around and stops to play the piano......I loved the little scene where the still folkie/acoustic Dylan is staring at a bunch of electric guitars in the window of a music shop and says something like "look at these guitars, we don't have anything like this in the states"......I have a question for the serious Dylan heads out there - there is a wonderful old clip of Zimmy singing for a handful of people behind a truck on a farm in what must be '61 or '62. What is that from?, and is there more of that performance out there.

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Joe

I have read your posts with avid interest for many months now. At the risk of embarrassing you I'd just like to say that you are one unpretentious son of a gun. Gratuitous namedropper you are most certainly not. Muchos gratias notre ami.

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David Powell

Subject: Brother Ray / She Knows

Thanks Andy for sharing your insight on Ray Charles' influence on Richard. Brother Ray of course gave a tip of the hat to The Band when he recorded "Ophelia" on his 1980 album "Brother Ray Is At It Again".

Some background on "She Knows" -- The group Bread, known for their saccharine blend of soft rock, was started by David Gates, James Griffin & Rob Royer, who were joined by drummer Mike Botts. Royer left the group in 1972 and was replaced by the talented Larry Knechtel. "She Knows", written by Griffin & Royer, was first recorded during Bread sessions in 1973, but not released at the time. It first surfaced on Griffin's 1974 solo album "Breakin' Up Is Easy" and as a single. A version is also included in the Bread retrospective CD set. As Peter Viney previously mentioned, Ray Charles covered it on his 1978 Atlantic album "Love & Peace", which unfortunately is not available on CD.

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Fred

funny thing though about the great province of Ontario it really should be two provinces: In many ways the north/northwest is quite different (socially, economically, culturally)from the south/southeast.

In all actuality the nation itself is very quirky. Historically (prior to Confederation in 1867) trade (and other social activity) worked on a north-south axis rather than an east-west axis. For example Canadians in southern Ontario dealt more with Americans directly to their south (NY State). You can still see this today. If we didn't get our transcontinental railroad constructed in the late 19th century Canada as we know it today wouldn't exist... and the Band would have been just 5 guys from the States.

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Pat Brennan

Dave H., Shelby Foote authored The Civil War: A Narrative, widely considered to be the best written account of the woah. That would supposedly put him in the area of non-fiction. For most historians however, the work is considered flawed; although Foote listed his sources, he didn't footnote them. Personally, I love the work but I would only quote from it in conversation.

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Andy R.

Subject: Ray Charles songs...

Peter Viney: Richard got "She Knows" via Ray Charles singing it. I had every Ray Charles album and sometimes did a whole radio show on WDST-FM in Woodstock featuring a specific artist. I had a show called "Blues Break with Andy Robinson" for several years on Sunday nights 9pm to 12 pm. I stopped doing the show when I started going on the road with The Band and various combinations thereof e.g. Rick/Richard..Rick & Levon/ Rick, Richard, Butterfield, Levon Helm & the Woodstock Allstars etc.I also was the source for Rick singing "I Wish You Were Here Tonight" also from a 1980's Ray Charles album.

A funny memory...I was given a tape of Ray Charles rehearsals with Ahmet Ertegun at Atlantic Records from 1953, shortly before Ray cut his first sides for Atlantic. You hear him writing "Mess Around" and "Blackjack" with Ahmet as well as running through a bunch of other material. I made a copy of this tape for Richard which he loved. He then went back to California, made a bunch of copies of that tape and gave it to every piano-playing friend of his!!! I used to kid him about this saying "Hey Rich, Ray Charles called, he wants his royalties from your distributing that rehearsal tape!!" We both laughed!!!

Incidentally, posters might want to check out Ray Charles biography "Brother Ray". I was amazed to read that his last name was the same as mine...Robinson!!! He dropped the Robinson because he didn't want to be confused with "Sugar" Ray Robinson, the boxer, so he just wanted to be called Ray Charles!!!

Peace

Andybr67@aol.com

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JTull Fan

Subject: THe Band in Canada/Charlie Young

Charlie, I am envious of you for having the opportunity to travel by train through the Canadien Rockies. Always been one of my goals to do that. I'm not surprised you did not encounter much of the Band there, for if you look at the map, we are closer, in Virginia (and probably all the way down to Northern Florida) to Toronto, Simcoe, etc., than Western Canada! It's seems odd that SOuthern Ontario is physically part of Canada at all, being wedged between Detroit and Buffalo. Maybe we could trade parts of Maine, Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and the Aleutian Islands for it to straighten out the border a bit!

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Kalervo

Subject: Perfect - the life is NOW

Brown Eyed Girl: Oh yes...Now when I read What About Now, it is the perfect song of the Now! Thank Youuu reminding me...Robbie has touched the Truth in that song and in many other songs. Especially in his solo works.....And he is showing through his art that the artist/human being in truth can' t rely on nostalgia too much.

Tolle' s book is a wonderful piece of work...Look at the web site...

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bob wigo

If the"now" is a subject of interest there is a wonderful book worthy of your time. I'm sure many here know of it.

Check out "Be Here Now" by Baba Ram Dass aka Richard Alpert.

"Be Here Now" and "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig have resided side by side on my bookshelf for a long time. Both are well worth the investment.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Kalervo and The Power Of Now

Hei Kalervo: I was thinking about the book you recommended to me THE POWER OF NOW by Edward Tolle.......It reminded me of Robbie's WHAT ABOUT NOW....What do you think?...:-D

..................

"We don't talk about forever
We just catch it while we can
And if I grab on to the MOMENT
Don't let it slip away out of my hand

Chorus

What about now
Forget about tomorrow
It's too far away
WHAT ABOUT NOW
Close your eyes
Don't talk of yesterday
It's too far away, too far away
WHAT ABOUT NOW"

..................

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Peter Viney

Hazey D: David Powell has noted here before that "She Knows" appears on a 1978 Ray Charles album, Love & Peace (which I've never managed to track down) and it would seem likely that the Ray Charles version would be Richard's source for the song.

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Dave Hopkins

Subject: "This Wheel's On Fire" literature?

I was perusing the Counting Crows FAQ file and stumbled across the following:

***
Q: What literature has [singer] Adam [Duritz] read?
A: Adam has read works by Shelby Foote, William Kennedy, James Thurber, Hohn [sic, should be "John"] O'Hara, and Levon Helm.
***

Levon's keeping some nice company there! But does this lend credence to the argument that "TWOF" is a work of fiction?!? ;-)

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Charlie Young

Subject: From Western Canada to South Florida...

I'm finally back home after spending eight days on vacation in British Columbia and Alberta, followed by a short return home and then a work conference in South Florida (talk about a contrast in locations and climates!).

I loved Vancouver and Victoria in British Columbia as well as the train ride I took into the Canadian Rockies. Jasper National Park--with 2.7 MILLION acres of unspoiled, spectacular mountains, glaciers, rivers and wildlife--was the most truly awesome, breathtaking scenery I've ever witnessed in person.

My only disappointment was that the only trace of The Band I came across in all that beautful Canadian travel was one song I heard over the restaurant sound system at the Plaza Hotel in Kamloops, British Columbia. Oddly enough, it was "Ophelia," sung by the only non-Canadian in the group, of course...

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rosalind

Subject: Hazey Davey's comment

I was so taken aback by the comments in the Gb today that I forgot to respond to something said here addressed to me. It's those testosterone-driven males with no "internally-driven love for music that have been giving us all the half-assed musicianship that we've been forced to endure for ever. It also gives us bad art, bad writing, bad sportmanship and bad movies. But God, What would the world be without all these rotten testosterone-driven films and rotten books and rotten music? It would be better for all of us if 99.9.9 percent of these losers were selling used cars! That was the point I was trying to make! I have this same problem with anyone while talking on this subject...nothing new under the sun for me.

Rod Steiger said something several years ago that made a mark on me. He said, "When someone walks up to me and tells me they want to be an actor, I say to them "Do you want to be an actor or do you need to be an actor?" And he will be able to tell in the amount of time it takes them to answer that question, whether it is in their souls to do it or not.

If I'm not wanted here, this will be my last post. Most of you people bum me out anyway! Especially what-her name? "Christina, Christina Get Me The Axe"

Speakin' of the axe, I'd still like to know how Hank holds his guitar. You can tell alot about a musician by watching that.

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brown eyed girl

Doug: Ooops!!! I meant if ya want a MORE "sanitized" version......ya know....with no edge......:-D....Sorry....I did just eat a half a brownie.....

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brown eyed girl

I have to agree with your initial reaction to this jam in TLW Doug....If ya want a less "sanitized" version.....but shhhhhh......don't tell Peter Viney.....Pete Seeger and Arlo Guthrie.....Oh yes...if we're gonna talk about addictions there is Jane's...;-D....Btw....I have the book FROM CHOCOLATE TO MORPHINE which is a fascinating read......See I always felt so lucky that coffee was never in my system.....but then I forgot......it's in chocolate!!!!!

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BANDFAN

HAZY DAVY - THE SONG "SHE KNOWS" WAS WRITTEN BY JIMMY GRIFFIN FROM THE GROUP BREAD. HE RELEASED IT ON AN EXCELLENT SOLO ALBUM AROUND 1976. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS ALBUM IS AVAILABLE ON CD. BUT, HIS VERSION CAN BE HEARD ON THE BREAD RETROSPECTIVE COMPILATION. HAVE NOT EVER HEARD HOW THE SONG GOT TO RICHARD, BUT IT WOULD BE A GOOD BET THAT HE HEARD IT ON THAT ALBUM. HOPE THAT HELPS FILL IN SOME OF THE BLANKS. KJB

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Diamond Lil

Aah... a musical post! That was great John D.. thanks. I guess there are many many different versions of that tune, but nothin beats Rick on that fiddle :-)

Chronic insomnia tonight. Already tried a double shot of "Nyquil"... the achy, sneezy, coughy, knock-me-on-my-head medicine..and I'm still awake. Hmmm... couldn't be the extra-large, french-vanilla iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts that I just finished...could it? :-)

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan. Read your mail.

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John D

Subject: Old Time Religion

In 1887, Charles D. Till­man (Born: March 20, 1861, Tallassee, Alabama) be­gan his ca­reer as a sing­ing evan­gel­ist. Tillman (a white man) formed his own mu­sic pub­lish­ing house, and put out 20 Gos­pel song col­lect­ions. He was the first to pub­lish the old negro spir­it­u­al Old-Time Religion, which he heard blacks sing­ing at a camp meet­ing in Lex­ing­ton, South Car­o­lina. Died: September 2, 1943, Atlanta, Georgia.

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Jenny T

Someone a while back mentioned Spinal Tap in relation to TLW, which got me thinking about Spinal Tap and how of all the most obvious, stereotypical rock musician things to lampoon, alcohol and drug abuse didn't really play a part in that fine film. Unless you count that one of Spinal Tap's various dead drummers choked on vomit, though it was someone else's, and, as I believe "Nigel Tuffnel" noted, you can't dust for that.

I saw that movie with about the last $5 I had at the time, and considered it money well spent.

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Hank

Subject: Losing My (Old-Time) Religion

Uh-Oh...I said too much.......

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Jon

Subject: Amazing Grace

A wicked seaman, sea captain, and slave trader turned minister and abolitionist in 18th century England, John Newton wrote many hymns that are still popular in churches around the world today, but none are as well known as Amazing Grace.

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Doug

Subject: Amazing Grace & Old Time Religion & Brown Eyed Girl

Amazing Grace was written by an Englishman who ran slave ships for many years -- one day he had a moment of clarity or some sort of epiphany and realized all of the horrors he had been responsible for. At that moment he penned the song while reflecting on his life (it says something about saving a wretch like me). You’ll get chills next time you hear it knowing the inspiration makes it one of the biggest tear-jerkers I can think of.

Not sure about Old Time Religion -- but my only previous memory was a movie I saw many years ago about the ' Scopes Monkey Trial' in Tennessee. The creationist side was singing it outside the courthouse as a plea to reject the evils of Darwinism and go back to 'that old time religion'. I actually associate it with a really rigid, southern, protestant genre rather than a black spiritual -- probably because of that movie.

Brown Eyed Girl -- interesting about "Sex and drugs and rock and roll...that's all my brain and body needs". It is also at the beginning of a Jane’s Addiction song -- always gave them credit.

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Rosalind P. Richardson

Subject: Oh Boy!

I have this picture in my head of this Di_mond Lil person. She's running hysterically from guestbook to chatroom with a paring knife in her hand. She reminds me of Joan Crawford in "Mommy Dearest"

Does anyone here know what a (wink) means? I guess not. A wink means "I'm just teasing you". Hank, I call you Cork because your in Ireland, and you know how them Irish are (wink) From what I hear in here your a pretty damned good musician, and you probably know it. You don't sound a bit rabbit eared to me ( for those who don't know what "rabbit eared" means, it's a baseball term meaning "sensitive to teasing"). and that masturabation crack, you know what they say about guitar player on stage...(wink) That's all in the world I meant.

As Woody said to his neighbors in Pampa, just before he hit the dusty trail. You folks sure are D-e-p-r-e-s-s-i-n'.

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Bill

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Diamond Lil

I have sheet music here to "Gimme Dat Old Time Religion", no composer, Adapted and arranged by J.Rosamund Johnson, copyright MCMXL,(I'm bad at roman numerals.. is that 1940?) by Edward B. Marks Music corporation.

Gimme dat old time religion, Gimme dat old time religion
Gimme dat old time religion, Lord it's good enough for me
It was good for the hebrew children, it was good for the hebrew children
It was good for the hebrew children, and it's good enough for me
It will do when the world's on fiah, it will do when the world's on fiah
It will do when the world's on fiah, and it's good enough for me.

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Ray G

Subject: Calling All Equiptment Heads

Just wondering if anyone happens to know what amplifiers Robbie used on "Rock of Ages" and the "Last Waltz". I know he used a Tele on ROA and a Strat on TLW and I'm sure that his amp set up is differrent too. By the way... I think his ROA guitar tone is much better than TLW

Peace

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brown eyed girl

Sorry Peter.....I was just fooling about the Gallagher brothers.....and no....I wasn't thinking about the other Gallagher brothers either.....lol...Besides B.B. King......Rory was one of the first blues guitarists I probably heard because he was one of the first to combine Irish blues with rock.....Hey Hank.....He also grew up in Cork of all places....:-D

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Hazy Davy

Subject: How Old Is Old Time Religion?

Several posts on this thread have pointed up that "Give Me That Old Time Religion" is an old song from simpler times. It made me wonder...is it?

Or is it like "Amazing Grace" which for years I thought was an old Spiritual but was in fact written by an Englishman (if memory serves).

A quick Googlesearch reveals one site that says "Give Me That Old Time Religion" is of obscure origin & was popularized in what were called Negro Churches and traveling Gospel Shows.

I'd find it hard to believe that it's a terribly old song; if it were old, then to what old-time religion does it refer?

Anybody have any light to shed? Mr. Viney? This seems to be up your alley.

My guess: It's not all that old, and is in fact a white (dare I say cracker?) song adopted by, fostered up and improved by African Americans.

Leads to two other brief thoughts: I can't find ANYTHING about "She Knows" sung by Richard, and I'd love to know more about that song; and, what are some of the really rootsy artists that birthed the Band? White and black, folk and country: What would be an "Essentials" list of those recordings? Was the Band influenced, as Dylan was, by the "American Anthology of Folk Music" compilation? And is that compilation worth the stiff price tag? Or should one get "Whispering Pines" first? (I know, I know...get both...)

Have y'all discussed this before? Mind doing it again? Good evenin' for now, thanks for some pleasant exchanges and I bid thee farewell. I'm off to book club.

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brown eyed girl

Peter: I had to laugh....because you reminded me of....."Sex and drugs and rock and roll...that's all my brain and body needs".....Ian Dury and The Blockheads...I am forever reminded of this song that epitomizes a certain lifestyle in the music biz....I was also reminded of "Wake Up and Make Love To Me" and "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick"....Yes even Ian didn't let the challenges in his life get in the way of his needs.....The song became an anthem really....especially since this was before the age of Aids.......Oh and then there was "Sweet Gene Vincent".....Btw...Was pianist Mickey Gallagher the brother of Rory?

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Joe

Wow - no wonder Bill Wyman was always chewing a condom

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Joe

Sorry Doug and Hazy - I did also mean to say that I do agree with your take that MS and possibly RR saw the evocative/nostalgic possibilities and deliberately incorporated the whole cameo plus RR's quip into the film just prior to TNTDODD as you infer. It does work so wonderfully the more you ponder it.

By the same token of course with any art you CAN read anything into anything - or everything as the case may be.

Whatever. It is a great moment from whichever perspective you view it. Intuitive celebration enshrined in pathos. You can't ask for much more than that from a shot in what is after all a rock movie.

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Peter Viney

I know that the average reader here is not a CD single buyer. Well, walk into that thrumming CD single section between Shakira, Britney etc, and seek out the new Van Morrison CD single, ‘Meet Me In the Indian Summer.’ The title track is a totally different unreleased orchestral version of the song, which is superb. Get it if you like the “Down the Road” album. This is followed by ten and a half minutes of “In the Afternoon / Raincheck” (actually it’s the full medley “In the Afternoon / Ancient Highway / Raincheck / Joe Turner Sings”) recorded in Newcastle in March this year and “In the Midnight” from the same venue. Anyone into Van NEEDS this single immediately, and there is no duplication with previously-owned versions.

The stuff on musicians as ‘predatory males’hit my eye just as I got to the bit in Stephen Davis’s biography of The Stones where they sat and compared notes in 1966, three years into their career. The count listed was Bill Wyman – 250, Brian Jones – 130, Mick Jagger-30, Keith Richard – 6, Charlie Watts – 0. First, Stephen Davis thought it worth mentioning, which says something about his style. Second, only Bill and Brian had kept an accurate count (both obsessively). Musicians have an image, as do travelling salesmen with farmer’s daughters (so much so that Hollywood decreed the two could not be mentioned in the same breath in the 1930s). But it’s “seaside dirty postcard” stuff that assigns similar instincts to such unrelated groups as plumbers, long-distance truck drivers, lead guitarists and hellfire preachers. Maybe I’ve led a very sheltered life, but I’d think Keith was between average and below-average given his age. Strong medication doesn’t help, I guess. Bill and Brian had a problem, and Bill was the least obviously attractive of the five which might account for the obsession. Mick had the charisma and opportunity and it still works out as less than one a month. There’s less of it about than the tabloids would have us believe. There are predatory males in every office and factory in every land. And there are non-predatory ones too. I once had a desk next to a guy who had two lists on his pinboard: 1) total lifetime number 2) number of nationalities. Needless to say he was a total arsehole. And he was not a musician

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Doug

Subject: Old Time Religion

Thanks much to Hazy, Joe, Bones, John and others … I enjoyed the different perspectives. I guess I still find Robbie’s comments ambiguous -- and I am certainly content to leave it at that as ambiguity is always more interesting.

Regardless of intent, I do think that with the broader themes of TLW in mind, Scorsese did intentionally frame the comment to give a sense of lost opportunity. Look at the way the comment is immediately punctuated by the melancholy horns of the ‘Drove Ol’ Dixie Down’ prelude. He also lets the scene hang a bit as they transition into the performance. I don’t think I would have had such a sinking feeling without the horns and the overall effect.

With that said, TLW is the best rock film I have ever seen –and the Band doesn’t stop surprising me with the sheer beauty of their music. I like your description Hazy -- ‘frequently wonderful on every level at the same moment’

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John D

The short "jam" of Old Time Religion" is a throwback to simpler times musically and historically.

I don't believe it has anything to do with The Band, Religion or anything other than a comment on the times in which that tune would have been the staple of the day.

Now......... if I did want to look deeper into that quick one liner I would say that in the times that "old time religion" would have been popular, it would have been just a few friends sitting around a campfire; or at a religious camp meeting just performing for the LOVE of a simple tune. Not in the NOW (1976) era of lawyers, publicists, promoters, fighting over songwriting, roadies, media hype, entourages, dope dealers etc........in other words from the times of friends sitting around playing a simple tune to it now becoming A MUSIC BUSINESS. Just a thought.

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Kay

Roger's memory seems to be kinda hit and miss, like most of us, but he might be able to help you out. Send me an e-mail at k_roybal@lanl.gov and I will connect you two. He's on his way back to Tulsa this morning. K

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Bones

I think we are thinking a little too hard about what was a casual moment. I think someone in here even criticized Robbie's singing. He had a pick in his mouth for crying out loud! I think it was a wonderful light-hearted scene which showed the type of songs they would play when they were hanging out in Woodstock.

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Bashful Bill

Checkin in for the firsttime since Fri, scrollin along and I saw a WG thread from a fewdays back. What Iknow/recall regarding the questions:one of the parachutists was a guy from Syracuse, who was known to parachute into various events. around 77 or 78, I was talking with him in the wonderful old Firebarn Tavern, his recollection was that they were playing The Weight as he floated downward, he even sang "take a load off Fanny" as he told the tale. I had waaaay too much fun that day, 73 and 74 were the years I was truly dedicated to destroying my brain cells, and I have few recollections of The Band's set. But, The Dead's soundcheck the night before, which I caught from only a few steps from the stage(alas, I didnt catch the other soundchecks), was fantastic. Once again, I was in no shape to judge anything the next day, (I mainly recall the crowd startling me by roaring and getting to their feet at the opening notes of Sugar Magnolia, then I sank back into oblivion), but popular opinion is that they truly sucked that day.

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Bill

John W: You're right that the talk of empire is overblown. Nevertheless, you have to keep in mind that the Romans had to go to other places to worry the locals, whereas nowadays all you need is the ability to fling things from the other side of the world. It's both good news and bad news that there's only one country with enough things to fling to worry everyone everywhere.

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bob wigo

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.

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Diamond Lil

Joy Munsey: Wonderful photos of Levon and the Barnburners (and the ever-photogenic Butchie Crocker :-) Thanks for sharing!

I asked this many many moons ago, but since there are alot of new folks in here now, I'll ask again. Does anyone have a tape of Rick doing DFA's 'Your Eyes', anywhere... live? If you do... pleeaaase mail me. Thanks.

d_lil@hotmail.com

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Kay

Subject: JJ Cale and friends

Bill and others who are interested:

John Cale played at the Paramount in Santa Fe last night, same club the Barn Burners played 18 mos. ago but it was alot more crowded on the bandstand. Roger Tillison and Walt Richmond (keyboard player for Rick Danko and Bonnie Raitt) came over from Tulsa and joined the other guitar players (the Dons and Christine Lakiland), Bill Raffensperger on bass, Rocky Frisco (who has been known to sign the GB) on organ and Jimmy Karstein and Jim Cruce on percussion (didn't see any drums). There was alot of em but they were clearly having a great time up there.

They played an hour with 30 minutes of encores, did Call Me The Breeze, After Midnight and Cocaine (of course), Magnolia, Cajun Moon and Crazy Mama. John stuck around and signed stuff, talked to fans and was a real gent in every way. They are touring in Colorado, and NM was lucky enough to get in on a free night between Durango and Steamboat Springs. Not exactly on the way, but in that bus I'm sure it was easy traveling.

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Hazy Davy

Subject: mmmm-hmmmm

Yes Joe you have summed it up beautifully; RR's offhand remark resonates all the more profoundly as time goes by, as do remarks by Richard and Rick. As we move through the gyres of time, the music of The Band itself seems to resonate all the more deeply. I think it's a lasting contribution to humankind. I really do.

Leaving the Oak St. Cinema, I couldn't believe how heavy TLW has gotten as time has passed, and things have happened. That scene with Rick alone in the studio: How "alone" it felt. And for the first time I thought: "My God! He's such young man, and there's so much ahead for him. They're all young, really."

I'm planning on buying that new "Whispering Pines" CD and I'm sure I'll felel the same way about that....but, this is how I learn to just keep going, joyfully, through the Changes.

OK gotta lighten up:

Hank: thanks for chiming in on that Ol' Time Religion, ego or no I liked it, and thanks for the guitar tip a couple weeks back, and I finally figgered out a way to get to your Website. Nice. Let me know if you're up Minnesota way, playing at the Cabooze (I believe Levon helm and the BBs have appeared there, yes?) And, since you're in Cork, please do try to see Preston Reed, a masterful guitar player, good friend of mine, lives in Glasgow and gigs a lot in Ireland. You will enjoy and be impressed, methinks. & tell him I said Hello.

Rosalind, it ain't ego, it ain't "more pussy than Frank Sinatra" (speaking of offhand remarks...) it's the music initially and after that, a drive or compulsion, almost, to practice, play, improve, learn more tunes...I'm raising three boys and a child-rearing book I like (it's called The Wonder of Boys) says that all kids and especially we testosterone-driven males need to channel our intense energy into something -- and a good parent helps a kid find healthy ways to do that. like sports, computers, dance, even collecting stuff like stamps or rocks; for me as a kid it was books, then writing, rock music, now guitar -- anybody who masters anythin artistic really has my respect, because I know it takes hours and countless hours of work just to get a few chops together.

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John W.

Reading Hank's post, as well as some of the commentary on the Internet from The Guardian and others, I guess I must be missing something. I keep seeing references to this American "Empire", the evidence of our colonization of the world being Coca-Cola, MTV and the Dow Jones. I thought empires were built by forceful takeover and troops, at least that would be the model from the Romans to the Spanish and British to the Soviets. If the U.S. is truly an Empire, you would think Canada and Mexico would be protectorates governed by American appointees, certainly you would think Germany and Japan would be forced to speak English, and Western Europe would be enslaved by American force (as Eastern Europe was for 40 years when the war ended). My understanding is that the U.S. not only has NOT enslaved these nations, but in fact has spent trillions of dollars helping keep them free from first the Germans and then the Russians, then to rebuild, assisting during national disasters, contributing to scientific advancements, etc. Now that WE face a crisis, most of these nations we did NOT enslave (and helped so much economically) are turning to run, telling us we are on our own, an imperialistic empire acting unilaterally (except Britain and Australia, that is). So I really don't understand the lack of gratitude and the "Empire" name-calling.

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Bill

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Joe

Had another look.

I think I see what's emerged here.

I don't think Robbie at the time meant anything profound at all by his remark. It was simply a nice amusing sociable thing to say. Without doubt a throwaway.

Point is though as we are now able to reflect on it and ponder it with the benefit of received wisdom it DOES fit in beautifully with the broader metaphorical ageing of The Band, its bretheren and its music.

So with hindsight and in the context of the film and what's happened since it is indeed possible to draw all the analogies that so many have done.

Quite beautiful really though in a sad and poignant way.

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t-dawg

Subject: audio tapes

Can the tapes listed in the tape archives section of this site be traded or bought? I am interested in a specific tape but dont know if the audio tape are available? who has these tapes?

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Brien Sz

Subject: various

JTull: Amen, to your response to me.

First there was Patrcia, then that lunatic woman around the time of the Presidential Election, (Linda was it?) Now it looks as if Rosalind is next in line to fill the void. Or is the voice the same? The medication different, who's next? Sybil..,

Now B. Sam, come on! Be honest, NEVER for the women? It's ok to admit that some portion was for the women. No one is that dedicated to just the sole art of music.

As for ego, everyone has ego. Especially those who perform at high levels of their craft and artists (really generalizing here). The trick is keeping it in check and being humble.

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JTull Fan

Subject: this and that

Also would have loved to see that performance of Strawberry Wine. Is it the heat or what? So many of us are just giving each other shit for no reason, even people I like out here. Not going to single anybody out but CHILL! It's just a GB, not gospel. If we remove every post we disagree with or every poster we don't like, we will all be left with just ourselves to talk back to. I disagreed with parts of Ben Pike's last post, but so what? He didn't attack me, it wasn't personal, and he had a right to say it, and I enjoyed reading it. That's what it's all about folks.

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brown eyed girl

Uhhhhh Bronx Sam.....You forgot that Hank not only had his guitar in his hands.....but......the audience!......

When I saw Hank perform solo and with Open Kitchen I found him to be very charming, talented, and he possessed a great memory for tunes by many artists.....Besides playing his own tunes, Band tunes.......He made my day by playing Louuuuuu tunes......just for me.....and I didn't even have to ask!!!!!!....I wonder how he knew that I have a real thang for New York's son???.....;-DD

Looking forward to the Bluezzzzz Cruise in NYC with Levon, Sumlin and Johansen......I might be the one wearing a Big Pink t-shirt....and catching a Musical which features the music of Keb'Mo'!

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Diamond Lil

Rozalind: I very rarely even read your posts, but I saw something directed at Hank that caught my attention. If, in the future..you have any more opinions.. please don't include the rest of us in them. _"We"_ don't "know" anything from the way Hank spaces his sentences (which is a ludicrous remark at best anyway). If _you_ do.. than say so. Don't speak for me or anyone else here.
And as far as the rest of your little paragraph about Hank goes.. it was crude and uncalled for. I had the pleasure of hearing hank perform in NYC, and found him to be one of the nicest guys I've ever met. He has never personally attacked anyone in here. I think you owe him an apology.

have a good day everyone.

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rosalind

Subject: Highs and Lows

Bayou Sam__ I am curious. Does Hank wear his guitar high or low ? I like that clutching the mid-section look, it's emotional. The pelvis deal I don't like, it looks too damned heavy-metal for me.

Richie_ Thanks fella. I'll try to keep you up. I only got two speeds tho. "Fast" and "Sleep" It's 4:10 am. I hate it when I have a night off.

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Peter Viney

A couple of flippant posts (one about Flippo) can run you into trouble. My point was that the notes to the box set, as others have said too, are dull and uniformative and we do expect detailed and accurate information from expensive “definitive” editions (i.e. definitive until the next remaster a couple of years later). Not even the track accreditations are accurate. I think that Just A Guess (How are you doing old pal?) is correct in stating that the “man in charge thinks Hoskyns is an arsehole” because that is why we were told, that Hoskyns’ notes on the remasters got canned, when the “man in charge” realized that Hoskyns was the biographer who had made disparaging remarks about his solo career and driving black BMWs at the end of a biography that the “man in charge” says he never read. I disagree with most of what Hoskyns had to say on the solo careers in his book (far too negative) and remarking on the colour and make of Robbie’s car was crass, snotty and pointless. It was a BMW not a gold-plated Lamborghini with real tiger fur seats, nor a 1913 Ford Model-T that he’d inherited from his grandfather, which might have been worth mentioning. According to Just A Guess we are all huddled so tightly on this little island that Hoskyns must be “my buddy” though we have never met, nor corresponded. Though I always give my fellow GB posters a wave as I pass their houses.

Butch – sorry to have caused offence with my remark about “Strawberry Wine”. It’s one I’ve made before in a couple of contexts. One was wondering why various bands (RCO All stars, Woodstock All stars, LH All stars, the 90s Band) never performed either Strawberry Wine or Jemima Surrender, when I thought a lot of the R&B / blues material that they did play was less interesting melodically and lyrically to these Levon co-compositions. While I don’t think ‘Strawberry Wine’ is up there with the true blues greats (the sort of Smokestack Lightning, Mannish Boy, I’m A Lover Not a Fighter territory), it’s certainly as good as ‘Stuff You gotta watch’ and other fairly generic blues. Jemima Surrender was one of the great non-performed Band songs. Most of the senior blues greats cut A LOT of stuff and a lot was generic. Anyway I’m glad Jimmy Vivino called it and Levon played it – I wish I’d been there to hear it.

Picked up Marty Grebbs “Smooth Sailing” in Tower sale at half price. Astonishing array of sidemen – Amos Garrett, Taj Mahal, Bill Payne, Jim Keltner, Steve Cropper … that’s only the start. Also really first-rate playing throughout as you’d expect (but Mississippi Muddy Water, while the most catchy song on it, is pastiche-Randy Newman). Nice sleeve notes by Dr John mentions The Band and Levon.

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Neil Diamond

Conservatives vs Liberals, like someones going to win that argument and then calling one another less american than the other...differance of opinion is one thing but to call someone less american because of his or her's political views is crossing the line...Would we have called eachother that in the aftermath of 9/11, I doubt it, so why would we now??

Being new to this Band thing, I just bought " Northern Lights Southern Cross" like it a lot, as mentioned in here anything after Pink and Brown is hard to compare but it's still damm good music " Forbidden Fruit" "Ophelia" "Acadian Driftwood" "Ring Your Bell" and of course " It Makes No Differance" being my favorites, I'm really enjoying hearing this music for the first time, I'm purposely taking my time buying it all, don't wan't the fun of hearing it for the first time to end to soon...

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richie

Subject: bits and bobs

bayou sam. the ron wood/graceland story appeared in a monthly amusing anecdote slot in mojo magazine. ill try and dig it out for you.rosalind. chill out. your angst ridden posts while always interesting are getting depressing. it could be worse. you could be living in wales; a depressing shithole riddled with money grabbing corrupt politicians, where it always rains, our rugby team which once ruled the world is shit, and to see a decent gig we have to travel miles to england on the most expensive train system in the world. then again keep those t.s. elliot wasteland type posts coming.perhaps youv tapped into something there. peace richie

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Bayou Sam

I had the pleasure of seeing Hank play once in N.YC. - the only thing in his hand was his guitar.

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Chad Fredrico

Subject: BANDFAN

BANDFAN: I'm writing this with my best friend and both of our monkeys. (16 years of touring = monkey). We were pleased at hearing of your interest in the scene, we can't how tell you how great it feels to point out something to an old pro, truly. My guess in hearing your submission... your favorite performer was Clapton, as it should have been. It's very tough to choose against Dylan; he did an excellent job of making the Band wake up and choose a new rhythm. By the way... I went out today and bought a new hat.

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Chad Fredrico

Subject: BANDFAN

BANDFAN: I'm writing this with my best friend and both of our monkeys. (16 years of touring = monkey). We were pleased at hearing of your interest in the scene, we can't how tell you how great it feels to point out something to an old pro, truly. My guess in hearing your submission... your favorite performer was Clapton, as it should have been. It's very tough to choose against Dylan; he did an excellent job of making the Band wake up and choose a new rhythm. By the way... I went out today and bought a new hat.

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rosalind

Subject: Ego's n such

Everybody Sing! Gimme that Old Time Religion....Gimme me that Old Time Religion..Gimme that Old Time Religion....Religion ..It's good..It's good enuff...yeah!

Cork_ You don't have to tell a living soul here that you have one hell of a monster ego. We can tell by the way you space your sentences. You Swaggering Bullshitter! I wouldn't be surprised if you actually masturbated on stage! (wink)

Bayou Sam_ I don't call what you described ego. It's more like a nod of acceptance and acknowledgement...satisfaction. When I was first starting to sing, back about 23 years ago, this wonderful old cat from Slidell Louisanna named Marshall Henderson, kept telling me to "Listen to the Bassman!...Train that voice on the Bass!" I remember nights when that bassman was the love of my life! He would say "Work with me girl....Work with me." and get up real close. Everybody would nod and smile in that certain way. Getting those looks would make my heart jump and holler " I'm Doin'It ! I'm Doin' It Right ! They Love Me ! They Love Me! My Brothers, They Love Me! Everybody Loves Me ! I'm A Musician! Bessie, MY Sister, Look Down! That kind of feeling on a stage would send me right thru the Fucking Roof. Is that Ego? I never thought so. I felt one with the music. I didn't care if anyone thought I was pretty or anything, I just wanted to be one with the music and my brothers on the stage and have everyone in the place be Smilin' and Stompin'

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BANDFAN

NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT INTERPRETING RR'S COMMENTS IN THAT SCENE BEFORE, BUT IT COULD BE HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE (THEN) CURRENT STATE OF MUSIC, AND THAT MAYBE THERE IS JUST SOMETHING MISSING THAT YOU GET WITH THOSE GREAT OLD STANDARDS. KJB

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Fred

just out of curiosity do the Barnburners (a.k.a Levon Helm's Blues Band) play mostly "covers" or do they also have a number of "originals" in their set. I only ask this because I've never been to one of their shows....they don't play in my neck of the woods! Also of the blues standards/covers they play which is/are the blues artist(s) they tend to play the most?

Hank: Levon & the Hawk did not take over Canada ...subliminally Canada took them over. The Force is with us, you know. really it's all true. You know that myth that all the world wants to be Irish...ACTUALLY {tongue planted firmly in cheek} all the world wants to be Canadian.

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Ruth McD

Subject: Wheeling Barnburners show

Hi. Just wanted to second the comments made by "dave the drummer". The Barnburners were red hot at their gig at Wheeling's Blues Fest. Levon looked great and was as hospitable as ever. Two of the guys hung around and jammed with Rod Piazza's band. It was great. As a reminder, check out Terrance Simien(the Zydeco master)tribute to Rick Danko on his Tribute Session's CD. He also performs "It Makes No Difference" in each live show and dedicates it to Rick. Terrance did a duet with Rick that we hope he releases for us all soon. -- Thanks, Ruth

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Hank

Subject: For The Folks Back home........

Oh My!.......

Gettin' a bit Saucy in 'ere, innit?.......

Tsk, Tsk.....Why d'yall take it so seriously in here? This is a place of FIERCE ego......

ME, too!.....

Bayou Sam!.....I'm sure that story about Ronnie Wood/Elvis is in his book about his paintings......which I never bought but spent a rainy day in NYC reading in a variety of Bookstores around the city.....

Yes, I know......that's kinda sad, really........

Anywood.....I got better..........I think......

Anywell.......The thing about the Old Time Religion segment in TLW...

.... is that EVERYONE gets like that from time to time.......

(and if you AIN'T, loosen'n'lighten up a bit....)

..... but NOT Everyone has Marty di Scorsebergi doin' a Spinal Tap on yo' ass!......

Admit it....... Y'ALL has got off yer noodle on substances in yer life!......WHEN you had the bread and youth to......and when you DIDN'T have the bread to.....too....as well......EVERYBODY Must get...........

TLW is great 'cos it pulls NO punches about this stuff......it's patently OBVIOUS that they are buzzed.....it's discreet enuff in not showing them actually SNORTING....BUT the bowl of water gives it away.........

The reason it falls apart is because RR is singing it......and, uh,........he's not really convinced about how he's singing it........RR put his soul into banging his guitar and getting the right sound for The Band.....NOT his own singing.........and Ricks outburst is pure (drunken/whacked out) SOUL...........It's amazing they put that in, really..........great moment captured........and bang into the best live version of "Dixie".....Wonderful..........Most bands/movies would suppress stuff like that .....OR go out of their way to show just how wild and crazy they really are.........TLW does neither and is completely real without hiding it or shoving it in yer face...........The Neil Young segment with the rock in his nostril blanked out is great for the same reason......

I'm certain many of you have read Carch-22....with regards to the quasi-politico thread going on here at the mo'..... remember the passage where the lecherous old man berates the young US airman about believing The USA will last forever?......What we're witnessing today is an attempt by yet another Empire trying to extend its power and dominance..........EVERY Imperial power with a suss on available resources does this.....We are presently watching The USA do this.......It may go well for them........

It may not.......

There's no denying The USA is an empire.......Coca Cola, MTV, Hollywood, The dow jones Index....c'mon!...you KNOW it's huge and worldwide.........It's big and beautiful and shiny from sea to sea and beyond.....let's hope it KEEPS it's promise of democracy and does NOT let violence and greed distort it's aims.........

ah, sure......'tis a great pity that the people who run The USA don't realise that The USA REALLY only took over the world when Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley roared outta The South and when Levon and Ronnie took Canada.........for good measure..........

.........and it's interesting that The Brits should send The Beatles out and have a go at it with Rock'n'Roll.....until Lennon blew the whistle and told' em a working class hero is something to be.........

The Beatles.....The Last Gasp of The Old British Empire, eh, chaps?......Harrison chap retook India for us......but that dastardly Lennon went over to the other side with those damn Paddies, what?.....How I won The Bloody War, indeed!.......ARISE Sir Paul and SING to us of Freedom!......Ringo, la, get back get back into that bloody submarine and DON'T push any buttons this time!!!!

That's all there's to it, really........

But, you see, The Miltary-Industrial-Entertainment Complex must have it's way...... and test out new technologies and provide material for popular movies and songs and appeal to the basic instinct of wanting to destroy what threatens you instead of TRYING to understand it and live with it............and so, like ANY Empire.........you ARM your future enemy, support the most evil fucker around (Hitler, Saddam, bin Laden)..... goad them into attacking you...........and hey presto!.....War!........and IF you WIN the gamble, you get all the contracts to rebuild what you've just destroyed.....witness the rise of Germany and Japan after WW2.....defeated.....NUKED, even!....... but within 20 years, economic miracles!........

EVERY War brings some new game on the market......

gimme that old time ....it's good enuff...well it's good enuff...good enuff......

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Bayou Sam

I too love the "Old Time Religion" scene. I also have the same take as some of you with regard to Robbie's comment. I think that he means that "vibe" of the guys ain't what it once was - in his mind at least.

Rosalind - I've been playing drums over 20 years, and it was never for ego or women. Having a crowd of people get something out of your playing is certainly satisfying - but my favorite moments have been when I did a little off-beat fill that caused one of the guitar players to turn and give me a smile of approval - or when I knew I was doing my job because I was putting some extra punch in during a guitar solo and I knew it helped get that little bit extra from the guitarist. I used to get that during "After Midnight". I don't know if you want to call any of that ego, but I never went to a gig hoping to "score" with a woman - and I never hoped to make the crowd go "ooooo"-(to borrow a Pete Townsend phrase).

Hey, isn't somebody going to tell me the Ron Wood/Graceland story?

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Tim

Subject: Old Time Religion

The "Old Time Religion" scene was my favorite in the movie as well. I was always disappointed that it was not on the album, and I used to look for it on Napster (figuring someone would get around to doing what I never did - pulling it from the videotape) because I thought it would make great filler on a homemade tape or CD.

I always took Robbie's statement, as the jam fizzles out with Rick sawing the fiddle a little more slowly and less precisely, to literally be 'We're not as young as we used to be.'

Metaphorically, with Disco on the way, it could be like the old ballplayers' lament that the kids playing the game nowadays can't hold our jocks.

At this date it is for me a reflection on the state of The Band at the time - a brilliant group of musicians that included three who liked to party perhaps a little too much, one who was content to make music for music's sake and did not take on the responsibilities of looking after the others, and one whose considerable ambitions, ego and groundedness would not let him continue along on the path they were heading. The segue into 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' is particularly powerful now, as the rage that Levon pours into that mournful, powerful song reminds us of what we lost when these guys stopped making music together with Robbie.

Deconstruction lives!

As an aside, for me the most chilling words from a Band member come on "Classic Albums - The Band," when Levon describes Richard as the kind of guy who raises his glass and says "Spend it all." It is a joyful recollection of a guy (and a group of guys) who knew how to have a good time and did not take themselves too seriously (with the possible exception of Robbie, although some of his comments on the same program seem genuinely self-deprecating). But at the same time it is a sad comment on a lifestyle that may have destroyed what The Band was. That second album is sheer brilliance, and if that was impossible to live up to, plenty of the moments on the subsequent albums are close enough. It would have been nice to get a little bit more from them. I suppose we can be grateful for what we've got. It kills me to have lost Richard and Rick, and to hear Levon's voice, to read of Levon and Garth's financial troubles.

It's not like it used to be.

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brown eyed girl

According to Cameron Crowe....Stills: "We did one for the art and the music, one for the chicks. This one's for the cash."....On the other hand...Crosby stated that Stills's real motivation was ego-gratification: getting off on playing enormous places, having people like JONI and THE BEACH BOYS and THE BAND to open for them, being the biggest group in the world......

So what became of the anticipated recording? Apparently NEIL YOUNG claimed it didn't get made 'cause it didn't get made.......It was easy to understand turning down a fortune when a group has already made one.....Most people surmised at this time that the real reason......The group members couldn't tolerate each other enough at this time to work collaboratively.....

I remember when I saw all four members a few years ago and CSY were standing in a straight line blasting their guitars and I turned to one of my friends and said look at the testosterone flying......(I was being sarcastic.) Without hesitating she responded......I love it!!!!!.....Two music fans.....two different perceptions.......In any case......I did have an amazing time at this show because Woodstock was in the air that night......every row in our section was feeling irie.......strong singing by all members and even Stills seemed happy for Neil playing in front of his home crowd.....I've always seen their relationship as a love/hate one since their days with Buffalo Springfield.....and it was my first time seeing Neil play not only guitar but piano.....Toronto fans were proud of their home boy......Neil was born in Toronto on November 12, 1945.....

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rosalind

Subject: Hazey Davey

No Sir, I wasn't aiming anything at you with the first part of my post on what makes people pick up instruments. Most of the men I know who play do it for selfish egotistical satisfaction and women. I always found that to be disrespectful, to both the audience and the music. But the second part of that post(I looked it up in the archives) had to do with your comment on hearing a bunch of women yelling "Yeah" during Muddy's segment in The Last Waltz. I was reminded of the night I saw the film, it was the first time I had even heard the song. By the second "Yeah" I caught on and started belting it out. As I said, I got hit on about 40 times before I even got out of the theater. It wasn't bad enough that the music made me stagger....I guess girls are better when they're drunk on music! Okie Doke? (Thanks for not nailin' me without clarification)

Ya know that Ben Pike? I think if he's going to go as far as calling someone "dim" the least the sumbitch could do is learn how to spell! (ahh.. that's a low blow roz) I took particular offense to that "racist" comment.( Hey Ben, Are you a Katie Couric Fan?) My husband was black. He was a cowboy, from Corpus Christi, and he would have had to kick your ass for condescending to me like that!

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Chad Beaver

Subject: TLW

To Doug I say that your I appreciate your point very much. There are other periods throughout the movie where the bandmembers make pretty reflective statements about the harshness of sixteen years on the road. In my opinion, this was one obvious circumstance, and one very deliberately intended by the director as well. And yes, you actually have to look at the television to understand this point. Now, as far as favorite moment... that goes to Richard Manual's statement: "I just want to break even" and the ensuing laughter from his mates. What could better personify the Band's approach to life?

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butch

if that comment about Levon doing stuff not as good as Strawberry Wine,,, is for real,,,

remember

# 1 Levon doesnt do it, jimmy vivino does,,,\ Levon wouldnt play it if JV didnt call it,,

&

Muddy Waters , Lil Walter, James Cotton, Sonny Boy, the Wolf,Lazy Lester, & all the other blues greats & originals they play,,

please,,, EVEN LEVON would give the greats their props,,

there would be no Strawberry Wine w/o Levon's roots,,,,

THE BLUES,,,,

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Pat Brennan

And on another level, it is one of the few moments that references the Basement Tapes period with its recasting of traditional music.

I think it's in Al Kooper's review of Big Pink. He describes The Band as grown-ups making adult music. It's interesting that that descriptive has surfaced again, with good reason.

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Joe

One of my favourite scenes too. But must admit to always regarding it as merely a light humorous throwaway remark in the same sort of vein as 'ah they don't write them like that any more' sort of thing. Must say I'm intrigued by the depth of your takes on it.

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Hazy Davy

Subject: Ol' Time Religion

Doug from Chi: I too was struck by that scene in the TLW, and for the same reason. It's a powerful moment.

I made a mental note before seeing the film recently to really notice that moment. And it confirmed what I'd always felt, that RR was admitting that The Band itself wasn't "what it used to be."

Of course what he meant, exactly, by that is anybody's guess.

Somebody brought up the Irish poet W.B. Yeats in the GB a couple weeks ago. Yeats who said that to be an adult is to have a grasp of the tragic in life.

Whatever else TLW is or isn't, for me it's a film for grownups because it's a glimpse into tragedy that becomes more profound and educative as years go by. RR's offhand (or seemingly offhand) comment really points that up in TLW. It's sad, but it's life, and it's real. And lasting. Sad, i agree with you, yeah, but cathartic.

It's fitting that the film is that way, because the Band's songs, almost all of them, are tragic. Virgil Caine looks into tragedy and does not blink. The Union Man in "King Harvest," same thing. And on and on. Even the music sounds tragical. Which is why it lasts, and always will last. Mere entertainment fades, becomes dated, seems quaint. (That's not to say The Band's music isn't entertaining and fun, it is, but like all great things, it is several things all at once, and frequently wonderful on every level at the same moment.)

I guess the last thing the GB needed was (another) Band homage, but I wanted to give a thoughtful response to your observation.

Rosalind: Your comment re:"thanks for womb to tomb, disappointing response & why guys pick up guitar" seemed aimed at my earlier post, but I was not sure & wanted to be sure before responding.

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Doug

Thanks Pat – I have learned that posts with that sort of inane cynicism are par for the course in most music related forums – and I usually don’t bother to grace them with a response. But maybe I should shut my eyes or drape a towel over my TV during TLW and just ‘listen to the music’, and ignore any of milieu Scorsese intended to convey. It probably would be silly and amateurish of me to do otherwise.

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Pat Brennan

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To Doug from Chicago

Just listen to the music. Never mind who says what or when. Who scratches himself and at what moment..etc.. If in doubt of what a particular tune is about and if you find it too complicated, check Viney contributions, he'll tell you what you're listening to, and if it's good or bad.

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David Powell

Subject: The Last Waltz screening in Atlanta

For those of you in the Atlanta area, I just found out that The Last Waltz will be shown this Thursday night (Aug. 22) at the Fabulous Fox Theatre. It's part of a double feature (courtesy of the folks at Coca Cola) that also includes "Ladies & Gentlemen: The Rolling Stones". For further details clink on web link above.

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Doug

Subject: Old Time Religion Jam in TLW

I just saw The Last Waltz for the first time last night (DVD). When they finish and Robbie says something to the effect of 'It ain't the same as it used to be', I initially interpreted this as sort of recognition that this little session (and presumably others), were less fluid than they had been in the heyday. I thought this was some kind of reference to the influence of drugs at this point (the tell-tale hand gestures of Danko during this scene) -- by Robbie who appears as the most sober, and was sort of disheartened with the state of affairs -- and it really made my heart sink. But having watched it a second time and then with the commentary – I realized he might actually be referring to religion not being the same in the context of the song – only a little quip. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Could my initial reaction be accurate?

On a separate note – I would like to thank to Peter Viney for the superb efforts on this site. I thoroughly enjoy all of your commentary and articles. My true appreciation creating a resource that recognizes the importance and magnificence of The Band.

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Just a guess

Maybe the man in charge thinks that Hoskyns is an arsehole. ( Is that correct british for "asshole" ? )

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Peter Viney

If Chet Flippo's fourth-rate notes got on the box set, how come Barney Hoskyns' notes to the remasters (on this site) got rejected? In comparison, Hoskyns is Tom Wolfe, Ernest Hemingway and Thomas Pycheon rolled into one.

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Peter Viney

Delighted to hear Levon ad the BBs (Barnburners or Blues Band?) are doing Strawberry Wine- I always wondered why he kept doing other stuff that wasn't as good. As to low cut tops, I think Jim Morrison, Mick Jagger and David Bowie were all inclined to stick a few inches of hosepipe in their trouser pockets (radiator hose is especially impressive … or daunting) so why shouldn't female singers make the best of their assets?

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Bones

I read somewhere that Robbie's first two solo records are being re-released in the month of September. Anybody know anything about this?

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Dave ~ (the drummer)

My 13 year old son Adam & I made a trip to Wheeling West Virginia to see The Levon Helm Blues Band at The Heritage Music Blues Fest yesterday (Sun. 8-19). We arrived half an hour early and went backstage to see Levon & the 'fellas.'

Levon was happy to see us and knowing that Adam plays drums too ; made him feel important by giving him a signed drumstick [thanxx Butch]. It now has a place on our wall, next to a signed photo of Levon in action. Folks; there is no doubt that Levon makes time for each & every one of his fans. He is the genuine article.

The concert was worth the trip. Levon & the boys were rockin' the blues & tight as two coats of paint. All were in top form. "Steady Rollin' Bob Margolin" joined them for the last half of their nearly two hour set. A real treat was a performance from the Muddy Waters Tribute record.

Maria Muldaur and her band Bluesiana performed "Blues So Bad" which was written by Levon & Henry Glover. She introduced the song with kind words about Levon and called him a "musical hero" of hers. Levon was grinning ear to ear.

Rod Piazza & his Mighty Flyers closed the Bluesfest. Rod & his wife, Honey were lookin' & playin' real nice along with a very tight band. Pat & Chris joined them for a great jam session to close the show. It was SCORCHING HOT !!!!!

We got to meet all the performers and they treated us just like family ; especially Maria's drummer, Bruce David. We hung out & talked for an hour after her set about drumming, drums and music in general. All in all it was a wonderful day of musical kinship & powerful Blues.

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Me again

Apparently Maud Hudson "will" perform with Garth in London, September 8th.

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Serge

Garth will be playing a solo concert ( and perhaps with Maud Hudson ) September 8th. 2002 at the opening of the new "Wolf Performance Hall" in London Ontario. Garth is scheduled to perform at 7:00 pm.on that date.

Will update soon.

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Mike Carrico

Bassman - I assume you mean Jimmy Thackery, who was guitarist for The Nighthawks for about 15 years; he left them around 1990 methinks. They were based in DC but played all over these here United Snakes. And you are correct sir, he bends a mean string.

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Ilkka

Subject: New photos from JOY MUNSEY

Thanks for sharing your photos on Levon & co.

Entered at Mon Aug 19 19:27:05 CEST 2002 from user-1121bma.dsl.mindspring.com (66.32.174.202)

Pat Brennan

Although I haven't pulled it out in a while, wasn't the Band boxed set simply a re-release of the Canadian "To Kingdom Come" best-of set with a third disc of "rarities"? It's no wonder that Robertson found it lacking. The essay was certainly lacking.

Entered at Mon Aug 19 18:55:34 CEST 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Subject: Band box set

In response to Richie's inquiry, I recall that Robertson briefly discussed the "new" Band box set in an interview with VH-1 last year which I dug up. He expressed his displeasure with the now out-of print "Across the Great Divide", saying that he "didn't like the way it was laid out. It was uninteresting." Robertson also questioned the lack of "integrity" in the way the box set was done, adding that, at the time, Capitol couldn't find the original masters of a lot of the material and used later generation sources.

That problem, with the noted exception of the "brown album", was later corrected when Capitol prepared the latest reissues of The Band's catalog. In addition to locating the album masters, "The People there that specialize in lost tapes started finding all these outtakes and alternate takes I don't even remember doing", according to Robertson. This provided him with additional impetus to do a new box set. Robertson stated that, "The more material they found, the more I thought to myself, now I want to do the definitive Band collection with lots of surprises and things I didn't even know existed."

The VH-1 interview, was conducted in June of 2001 by Jon Wiederhorn and also focused "The Last Waltz" reissue project. I haven't read any updates on the new box set project. With all the recent turmoil in the music industry, particularly at EMI/Capitol, one would hope that the project hasn't been shelved. Curiously, Capitol just released a single disc compilation of Robertson's later solo work and Interscope/Geffen is apparently going to reissue his first two solo albums.

Entered at Mon Aug 19 18:53:25 CEST 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Pat - That's why I was trying to be careful about how I said what I was trying to say, that I DON'T want to say all who call themselves "liberal" are not patriotic. But just in reference to those who knee-jerk oppose just about any plan to advance America militarily or economically, who claim all business people are corrupt, who attack those who live their lives in a morally and ethically upright manner (regardless of their religion), I think people with these views are doing more to tear our society down instead of constructively contributing to it. I'm not saying let's invade Iraq but I don't have a problem with the U.S. striking back hard when we are attacked. Some people would never have us respond to an attack because, after all, we are supposed to understand we are to blame for those people's anger. I don't have a problem with locking up CEO's who abuse their power and rip off stockholders but just because this happens sometimes doesn't mean let's trash the whole capitalist system. I don't believe anyone should force their religion on anyone but I do respect any person who lives morally and ethically in accordance with their belief in their higher power. And I do get angry with the moral relativists who think there's no real right and wrong in this world, just "our way" and "their way", even when "their way" includes no trace of democracy, human rights, religious freedom or due process of law. You damn right "our way" is better than "their way" and I just think those who disagree with this are less patriotic.

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Pat Brennan

Shannon McNally (that's her name) is an excellent singer-songwriter who was just here (Chicago) opening for John Mellencamp. Her "hook" is that she has released an album of self-penned songs that is generating some great press and is well worth checking out. Also, a lot of great players backing her up.

John W., why paint with a broad brush when you say you don't want to? Please note, no politics in the question.

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butch

the roll the Barn Burners were on, started wednesday @ The RamsHead & continued till sunday's festival,,,

In the middle was a nyc gig @ the tribeca blues,,,, a real upholstered sewer,,, down near Ground Zero,,,Tribeca Blues is EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE MUSIC BUSINESS,, but a gig is a gig ,,,as bad as the Ram'sHead is good,,,

BUT , as we sat in their "dressing room" in walked Jimmy Vivino, guitar in hand,,, "Let's Rock ", he said & ROCK they did,,,

as always Levon was lovin jimmy v's contribution & the boys were kickin',,,

at one point, when jimmy v was singin a song, he led the BarnBurners into his blues arrangement of STRAWBERRY WINE,,,,the crowd went NUTZ !!!!!!!!!

some long island chick singer shannon somethin, opened, & levon brought her up to sing " Love me like a man" & she did pretty good,, but why do female singers feel the need to show their breasts ??? ya rarely see a guy sing with his "****" hangin out, right ?

( i think she was a galpal of the club's owner, THAT was her hook, ) plus she IDOLISED Levon,,,,heheheheheh,,,

well, it was a hot steamy NEW YORK night & it was tres late when the 2nd encore was over,,,Levon & the fellas signed every&anything they were asked & took pix , then it was off to Ray's on 6th ave for a late night slice of pizza, & off into the night,,,

jimmy vivino is PURE MUSIC & just makes everything & everyone better,, Levon never stops smilin on those nights,,,,,,

we had a buncha friends from here & the other sites,,, Tommy SkellBag was fun as always & mike was rockin so hard i thought he'd fall out of his ironsides chair,,,

i/we all love to see the folks dancin & dance we did,,,

another big win for Levon & The BarnBurners,,,,,,

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John W.

Subject: Tribeca Blues

John Cass - Nice Barnburners show at Tribeca Blues on Friday. Started out a little strange, though. I got there around 8:15 and the club was not even open yet. I think they were doing sound checks but I got a little ticked about being forced to stand in the 90 degree heat when you could be sitting inside getting warmed up for the show! People kept showing up and by 8:45 there was about a hundred people waiting, and it seemed most of them were there to see Shana McNally, I never had heard of her but she is definitely very HOT right now, and I'm talking about her looks as well as her musical talent! Anyway I got mad and went around the block to a nice, air conditioned pub and chilled out for a while. They had nice music on the box and I almost blew off Tribeca because I did not like being treated that way, but it was just too tough to blow off Levon. By the time I got into Tribeca Blues, Shana was ending her set with "Masterpiece" (nice version, her band was real good). The Barnburners were awesome, once again with Jimmy Vivino and Larry Guarnier(?) sitting in. Levon was fantastic, they did lots of great blues and a memorable version of "Mystery Train".

Rosalind, Tull Fan - You tell 'em! It is getting increasingly difficult to see the "patriotism" on the part of liberal Democrats. Not to try and paint everyone with the same brush, however, when they criticize the conservative Republican mindset -- i.e., we dislike the Bush administration and the leaders of America's business community because they stand for a strong military and economic policy that will defend our interests, a country where corporations can thrive without government interference (thereby raising all our standard of living), a country where all religions are respected and freely practiced but not forced on anyone -- they are OPPOSED to these ideas -- and it seems to me these ideas ARE what our country is based on, much more so than whatever neo-Utopian quasi-Socialist they seem to favor.

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Rich Forbes

Subject: Levon does Elvis documentary

While channel surfing on Saturday, I tuned into an Elvis documentary...I was pleasantly surprised to hear Levon narrating...See ya Friday on the cruise...

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richie

Subject: definitive band box set

thanks jamie and bill for accthegrtdivide comments. does anyone out there know anything about the proposed rr definitive box set.comments would be appreciated. rosalind. i thought movies were a no no on this gb. youv got me thoroughly confused now. mind you hud is one hell of a movie. speaking of larry mcmurghty, while everyone raves about last pict show, i preferred texasville. a much naglected gem. richie.

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butch

sunday, Levon & The Barn Burners did what they do best !!!!!!!!!! played a local community blues fest !

Wheeling West Virginia has a volunteer based community festival where everyone can come over & hang with us,,, meet the fellas , etc,,,,,

we had david maxwell with us, & bob margolin sat in cause he was playing with maria muldaur ( a sweet reunion of her & levon too, )

it was hotter than the hinges of hell but the Barn Burners were hotter,,, Pat & Chris did a gig till 2 am & maxwell had been in the city , but they were on their " A " game,, all the blues that ya could stand,,,,,

we all felt bad for maria following the boys,, it was a tough job,,,

Levon & Jeff never stopped smilin & on Maxwell's boogie woogie piece it was levon, sarli, maxwell & margolin,, doing a n'awlins boogie,, very cool,,,,,,

all the good folks of that area came over & joined us, on the river's edge, & we all had a time,, visiting, meeting new folks, takin pictures,,,

we caught some of maria's set & off to NY we went with Maxwell & his love right behind,,, sarli headed south & pat & chris & AP stayed to hear Rod & Honey Piazza, pat's hero, & they got up & jammed with him,,

all in all,,, a good country day,,,,,blues, a river, the sun & good folks,,,

a few friends from the GB came by & its always great to see ya'll,,,, keep comin' out,,,,,,,,

see ya @ the Blues Cruise,,,, friday,,,,,,in nyc,

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Bill

Andy R: I love your list of people on the Woodstock scene, though I'm not sure you'd have found Jesse Winchester hanging around Woodstock, or anyplace south of Canada, until the amnesty of the mid-'70s. My only visit to the fabled town was in about 1990, by which time the only 'throwback' venue had a name like the Dharmaware Cafe. We had cappucino amid tinkly bells and photos of the Himalayas and listened to a singer-guitarist from Mexico. At the end of his set he called up his friend Doc, who turned out the be Joe Walsh, who played "Little Wing" a really long time with an unexceptional bassist and hand-drummer. Most people left, so we moved to the front. At the end of the next jam I suggested "Rocky Mountain Way". Joe smiled nicely, in a way that said thanks, but no. They all laughed when I said, "well, how 'bout Catskill Mountain Way? He packed up and left, I think disappointed that no heavy-duty players had turned up to jam.

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bassmanlee

Subject: Another boring boring boring post

Missus Lee and I enjoyed a great couple o' sets of blues from the Nighthawks with and without Hubert Sumlin and Jimmy Thackerty (sp?), and a rousing festival closing set from Marcia Ball. Mr. Sumlin was feeling the heat of the day, and the figurative heat of Thackerty, who is one bleeping awesome guitarist. He was literally cracking Sumlin up with some of his solos. Unfortunately we missed his set with his own band. I'd never heard of him. Anyone? Anyone?

Chatted with some nice young folks from Severn records and picked up Louisiana Red's "A Different Shade...Woodstock Sessions". Just finished the first spin, and it's pretty good. I raised the possibility of Severn doing a Levon & BB record. "We'd love to," he said, "but he wants superstar money, and we just can't do it. We'd never make it back."

It's a great festival, criminally underattended. It takes place in a small park on the Christiana river a few steps from Wilmington's Amtrak station so anybody in the NE corridor can take the train. Beers were good and cheap, too. (It's called the 'Cool Blues, Brews & BBQ's' and has a beer-tasting deal.) Keep an eye out for it next year. I posted the link to the festival's site above and sent the link to Butch. If we lobby, maybe we can get Levon and the guys there next year?

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John Cass

Subject: John Hammond & Trebeca Blues

Went and saw John Hammond Fri the 16th in Saratoga NY at the Cafe Lena.. Great show... had a picture of Rick Danko on the wall.. wish I had seen him there.. small place not a bad seat in the house

How was the Levon Helm & Barnburners gig on the 16th at the Trebeca Blues club??? like to hear details..

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Jenny T

I am a little embarrassed to have the approval of someone who goes by the name Ape S**t and who, I believe, claimed to have "done" the Band a while back. I am going to have to come up with something substantive to say pronto.

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rosalind

I just finished watching "Hud". I know this place isn't for sharing Anything Real but I have something to say. As I sat here watching that film I saw America swaggering arrogantly back and forth across that screen. We care about nothing. We honor nothing. We love nothing. We respect nothing. We feel nothing. In short, we are finished as a nation. We can't see it. We are blind and we've been numbed. So Party On !

" Little by little the look of the land is changed because of the men we admire" ~~Larry McMurtry~~

Ben__ I will not respond to your post. Fighting and arguing makes me feel bad about myself. And you can call me anything you like...I don't rattle!

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Peter Viney

Crabgrass has awakened a further memory cell. I now recall a very weedy Graham Nash piano drivel, but I think he got the biggest reception / applause of the solo spots, probably from ex-Hollies fans. It surprised me at the time, though I was fond of "Songs for Beginners". A bit of a first year ( female) university student album (if you see what I mean), but this is a category that embraces Al Stewart & Cat Stevens too. Leonard Cohen, in contrast, was second year with depression setting in after failed romance with looming Part One examinations.

Back to the concert. I was getting well bored at this point, because it was very much a CSNY off-night and Neil Young was in unusually poor form - I also wonder if there any CSNY tapes from it. The bit I enjoyed most after The Band was Tom Scott & The LA Express who also backed Joni superbly. The Band were on much too early in bright sunshine. Lunchtime? The trouble is when you hear cassettes of these things, they tend to surprise in how disappointing they are. You need to have been there with so many of these shows.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Wembley

Tossing the Beach Boys in with CSNY, Joni, JCL, and The Band seems to me like trying to mix oil and water. I'm glad the Beach Boys were not part of the Wembley show. I remember Graham Nash performing a song at the piano that he said he'd just written and one of the friends I was with (a French singer/guitarist named Terry who could sing and play James Taylor songs very well) commenting that it was "very weak" - which indeed it was.

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Peter Viney

FYI, Doctor: This tour changed around a bit but the basics of CSNY, The Band and Jesse Colin Young were still touring together at Wembley, London 14 September 1974 where Joni Mitchell and Tom Scott & The LA Express were the others, and Crabgrass and me provided the applause between songs. There's a Band tape from Toronto 1 September too, I believe, though whether this is with a CSNY show, I don't know. The Neil Young biography has a few (harsh) words on the tour. It wasn't CSNY's best by any means, and there aren't many CSNY shows where Graham Nash's solo spot came off best (maybe because it was London, UK).

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Bayou Sam

There was mention in here over the last couple of days of a Ron Wood/Graceland/climbing the wall story. I asked my friend who is into the Stones and he knew zip. Could someone tell me the story? Thanks.

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Ben Pike

In a sense, the highly confused Rosolind is right, it is a kind of liberalism that has become a plauge on our society. Those who used to be called "Conservates" in America were for fair play, economic justice, a foreign policy that was at least somewhat non-interventionist. How long ago and far away that all seems now, as the right is led by greed is good jesus freaks. When big business ran amock, we had T Roosevelt and Brynt. Now the worst corperate criminals are at the helm, led by a dim, arrogent, inarticulate stooge of a Presidency created by Judical corruption of the nakedest sort. And the hopeless Sheep, still more afraid of racial polarity than anything else, listen to Rush everyday and prey that Jesus will keep the Negroes away(now Arabs.)

So, the true enemy of our Country is you, my dear, dim Rosoland; let us not forget who let 9-11 happen(see Time's predictably ignored (by the rest of the "Liberal Media") "Secret History") the fools you protect are a danger to us all. The endless, hollow lies you told about Bill Clinton seem all the more rancid now as an invasion of Iraq looms. But not to worry, this is still a great country and you can't steal every election. It's a commin, a brand new day.

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The Doctor

...advertising a show called Summer Jam West featuring CSNY, The Beach Boys, Joe Walsh and Barnstorm, Jessie Colin Young, and "Special Guests" The Band. It is for Ontario Motor Speedway on Sat. August 3rd, 1974. Anybody know about this show or the tour it is part of? Is there a complete boot of this somewhere. I am a big fan of CSNY and The Band along with the Beach Boys and picked up the poster because it had all three on it. I have also seen some Joe Walsh and Jessie Colin Young boots around. Maybe someone has the complete show?

Just asking and hoping to provide a topic for discussion. Email me at wrestlingdoctor2000@yahoo.com

Thanks, Doc

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rosalind

Subject: another connection!

There's also a band out of Northern Pa. called "the Poptart Monkeys" I saw them once by accident, they weren't bad. Well... considering.

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Bayou Sam

I'm just reminded of the song "Ape Man' by the Kinks for some reason. What a cool tune. I'll have to dig it out.

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Peter Viney

I meant "moot point" not "mute point" ! But those odd Saturday Night Live / Letterman excursions are tantalizing. Great band behind Robbie every time.

Entered at Sun Aug 18 22:50:24 CEST 2002 from (63.164.145.33)

Caledonia

Message for Stones fans: Ronnie Wood's latest solo CD (Not for Beginners) is now available in the U.S. It includes a beautiful song (King of Kings) written by Bob Dylan and performed as a guitar duet by Dylan and Wood. I also love the song Whaddya Think ... it reminds me of The Faces.

I recently re-read Bob Dylan's 2001 Rolling Stone interview. The following quote reminded me of Dylan's famous 1965 quote regarding RR ("RR is the only mathematical guitar genius I've ever run into who does not offend my intestinal nervousness with his rearguard sound"):

"Lonnie Johnson, the blues-jazz player, showed me a technique on the guitar in maybe 1964. I hadn't really understood it when he first showed it to me. It had to do with the mathematical order of the scale on a guitar, and how to make things happen, where it gets under somebody's skin and there's really nothing they can do about it, because it's mathematical."

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Andy R.

Subject: Boring..

Dear Ape Shit (I'm sure that is your real name): Nobody is interested in hearing your review as to how BORING BORING BORING you find this place.

It's really BORING and IGNORANT to posters here to have to hear complaining from an asshole like you.

Why don't you just shut it and find another place to complain about...one that will not be so BORING BORING BORING to you.

Maybe another music site where they don't talk about recording, engineering, songwriting and quality...but talk about who's better, what's the latest gossip, and whose is bigger...(ego I mean).

Come back when you can contribute something OK?

Entered at Sun Aug 18 21:13:10 CEST 2002 from (63.121.18.2)

ape shit

Jenny T is the only poster in here who tried to leave a post other than technical boring stuff....and her post was ignored. BORING!!!! Go ahead back to your Robbie Bashing and your Record Mixing talk! APE SHIT!

Entered at Sun Aug 18 21:11:08 CEST 2002 from (63.121.18.2)

ape shit

Subject: Ape shit

Ihope he DOES shut this boring message board down! The only discussions in here are who did the mixing on this record or on that record........and nothing more. No one ever discusses anything more than technical stuff...........BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORRRING!!! THeres more to THe Band than who mixed their records!!! And theres more to the Band than reading posts that Bash Robbie Robertson....one of the greatest songwriters of all time!!!!

Entered at Sun Aug 18 20:43:08 CEST 2002 from 02-092.125.popsite.net (64.24.4.92)

the YOUTH withe TRUTH

Subject: LONG LIVE CHRIST the KING!

My URL instructs us about our Eternity (sign the guestbook): How inevitably both are determined and molded by the choices we make in our voyage home to the Father; This URL is both a stairway AND a roadmap TO that Utopian Domicile. Step out in faith: Experience the Awesome Reality of God. You're the spark. You're a warrior. You're His treasure. He deemed it so. Your service is good. Your love towards God is better. How He yearns to welcome us into His everlasting home beyond death's horizon: With such a price-tag on our souls, human beings are clearly precious beyond diamonds. You must abandon all fear of Him and know that He is all love. Say this: "Father, I love you and I give myself to you." And He wills that you inherit His Kingdom... PEACE. You ARE loved by Christ. See beyond illusion: Read Daniel 12:3

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Jamie

Richie...

About Robbie's possible displeasure with the Across the Great Divide box set, I would guess that it would be due to the liner notes. While the notes (more like a mini-book actually) give every Band member praise and credit, they sometimes stray from the production elements that Bowman has included in the remasters' booklets. Again, that's just my guess...I better read the thing again.

"The, ah, stuff that dreams are made of."

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Mike D.

Subject: empty_glass76@yahoo.com

Yikes. I've been gone for a while and have returned. Happy to be back. But it seems a tad venomous in here. Can anyone fill me in on what has been going on in here?

Mike

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Bayou Sam

I don't think that Jan will even have a reason to shut this down if we pretty much ignore posts like the ones a few posts back. Occasinally there's a little riff in here - I've been in the middle of a couple (not in a while though) - but thet often get worked out when cooler heads prevail

I used to jump right on a post like "those" that just happened, but now I just shake my head and feel sorry for the person who actually took the time to do that. If they don't get the rise out of people that they want, then it isn't fun for them.

As I was signing onto the site today I was thinking that I hadn't come right out and thanked Jan for this site in a while. It's easy to forget his efforts and take it for granted that he puts a lot of time into it because he loves The Band if nothing else....... :-) Thanks Jan.

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Joy Munsey

Subject: Barn Burners' Pictures

I made my own webpage of pictures from the Barn Burners' show last Wednesday to show my friends. I told Jan he could use these pictures for this site also. Mine will be up temporarily.

See the link above.

Joy

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Hank

Subject: Christ and Moses

..........'tis a great pity that Lenny Bruce is dead......

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Jenny T

I hope that guy finds his old Hudson. Each of the guys should have had a Studebaker Hawk though, don't you think? (BTW, my Dad is obsessed with Studebakers so if anyone is looking for one, let me know.)

I have to confess my enquiring mind has been curious about that suicide incident--I think it is mentioned in Hoskyns' book. Maybe it's not appropriate or too personal to discuss but I am curious why would the person want to do that? Apologies to those who like to stick to music rather than cars, gossip and politics.

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JTull fan

Subject: really good new Ian Anderson Interview

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Andy R.

Subject: Woodstock circa 1971...

Thanks to Jeff Newsom for posting that article on Woodstock from Rolling Stone. It really WAS like that!!!

Along with the Expresso, can't forget to mention The Sled Hill Cafe and The Joyous Lake, where you could see, hear and mingle with Ellen McIlwaine, Paul Siebel, bluegrass legend John Herald from the Greenbriar Boys, Bill Keith, Ian and Sylvia, Gordon Lightfoot, Benny Mardones, Dylan, Robert Lee,incredible guitarist Buzzy Feiten, Buzzy Lindhart, bassman Sean O'Brien, Butter, Maria Muldaur, Geoff Muldaur (his sister Diana was a frequent guest star on Star Trek episodes), various members of The Band, John Sebastian, Happy & Artie Traum,songwriter Eric Kaz,members of Janis Joplin's Full Tilt Boogie Band...John Till, Clark Pierson, Richard Bell etc,Johnny Average and Nicole Wills,comedian Robert Klein, Charlie Mingus, drummer N.D. Smart, Jim Colgrove, Amos Garrett, Carol Robinson,Todd Rundgen, Jesse Winchester, Foghat members, the actor Brad Dourif, his wife Joni, songwriter Tim Moore, Van Morrison, Cassie Culver,Karen Dalton, Bobby Charles, and usually anyone and everyone who was in Woodstock working on recording, the Stones etc.

As the resident "sound person" at The Joyous Lake for several years, I had a chance to work with and document much great music and musical occasions. Also, can't forget to mention the jazz contingent..Jack DeJohnette,Tony Levin,Jimmy Cobb (played with Miles Davis),hornmen Randy & Michael Brecker, Pat Metheny, David Sanborn, Marilyn Crispell, drummer Doug James and so many others I can't even begin to mention them all.

The Elephant which became Rosa's Cantina, with Magic Markie spinning discs were also great places to go. To eat, The Bear Cafe (still there), and the classic excellent food & friends atmosphere of Deanies Towne Tavern, also Dot's (later Duey's), for breakfast and lunch stuff.

I consider myself very lucky to have lived in Woodstock. I moved there in November of 1969, just after "The Festival" and I moved away in December of 1994.

A fantastic place at the time to raise kids, enjoy music and be a part of an eclectic community.

Thanks Woodstock, New York!!!!

Andybr67@aol.com

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JTull Fan

Subject: Response to Brien Sz

Brien, thanks for taking the time to respond. After reading your post I don't see anything to disagree with, so perhaps it is just the limitations of communicating this way that leads to misunderstandings. I AM NOT convinced we can end suicide bombings, nor do I care to Westernize the Middle East. I would be more than satisfied to find a solution that let's them be and so that if they wish to continue along such a repressive, irrational, and violent path it will be they, and no one else, who suffers harm.Of course, that is an oversimplified approach to a very tangled situation, and I doubt it can be accomplished very easily. Of course, there is the Israeli problem too, which I do not wish to open up, and they have teir faults, but what do we do if a democratic friend is attacked? My preferred solution is to continue to stabilize Russia, strike a deal to obtain most of our oil from them, European, Mexican, and domestic sources, and to tell the Middle East: 'You seem very intrenched that you know what is right for your region, so have it your way, goodbye. ' It is important to remember that the Arab/Fundamentalist World is not a unified one, with the exception of their hatreds of all things Israel and U.S., so they would still find a way to fight amongst themselves. I find it astounding that with all their resources and oil-revenues, that they still can't do better for themselves in building equitable, peaceful societies. Again, I know we have our social ills and I do not seek to hide or deny them, but their is no comparing the depth or degrees of them. NOW, WOULD YOU FOUL-MOUTHED GB ABUSERS PLEASE TAKE YOUR BATHROOM-TALK FOR A WALK AND LEAVE! JUST AS ANY LOSER CAN STRAP A BOMB TO THEMSELVES AND BLOW UP A BUS, ANY GUTLESS IMBECILE CAN DEFILE THE HARD WORK OF THE PERSON WHO GAVE US THIS GREAT GB COMMUNITY!

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Peter Viney

The arrangements are similar to the Seville "Guitar Legends" concerts, and Ivan Neville plays keyboards and Bruce Hornsby plays electric piano and conducts the group. Monk Bordeaux and Bo Dollis add backing vocal in their full Indian regalia too. Otherwise the horn section, bass and drums are different to Seville.

Go Back To Your Woods - comes first. It’s a mute point whether Bruce Hornsby is backing Robbie Robertson’s vocals or vice versa

. They follow up with The Weight- The group are joined by Dylan guitarist G.E. Smith (then of the Saturday Night Live house band) on electric mandolin. The vocals are: Verse 1 - Robbie, Verse 2 - Bruce Hornsby, Verse 3 - Monk Bordeaux, Verse 4 - Ivan Neville, Verse 5 - Robbie and Bruce Hornsby. Is this the "nice tune" you were thinking of?

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Hi

Yes Ray the comment about the 2nd coming is on the tape I have of the concert. But I think there was another comment from the stage that suggested someone climbed up the scaffolding and was delaying their set by not coming down.The tape has 2 instrumentals as warm ups also the Bill Graham intro."fine wine."

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Ilkka

Subject: New photos from CRABGRASS

Thanks CRABGRASS for your new photos (see What's New -section). As an amateur photographer I have always admired your skills on photographing the FACES. (Actually, Brien's nature photos are even greater, if you don't mind :-)

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richie the brit

Subject: band box sets

i remember reading several months ago an interview with robbie where he expressed extreme displeasure at the across the great divide box set. i would be grateful if anybody on the gb could remind me of the thrust of robbie's venom at the atgd box set, and any chance of some info about his proposed definitive boxset. cheers .rich.

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Jamie

Subject: Girlfriend

So I got "The Band" for my girlfriend as a present for our 1 year anniversary the other day. Never thought that giving a Band record would make a girl's day.

"When my day of work is done, I'm gonna take in a Jamboree"

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rosalind

Subject: Saturday Night Re-run

Robbie done a show in very late in 91. The line-up included a bunch of Mardi Gras Indians and at least one of the Neville Brothers. The one song I can think of that had a piece close to the end done by the Chief of the Wild Magnolia's (I could be wrong on the Wild Magnolia's thing) in an old creole language is "Go Back To Your Woods" off "Storyville".

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John D

You know it's late here in the EST. But for those of you who are new to the guestbook and those that should know better, when Jan shuts this guestbook or the entire site down the next time........a little bird tells me it will be for good. It's your call! Not trying to come off as a "holier than thou person" 'cause I've exploded in here before myself and left a couple of times; but if you enjoy this site just a little bit........

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Bayou Sam

I was channel surfing late last night, and as I was getting ready to call it a night I came upon an old Sturday Night Live re-run, and Robbie was performing a song. I'm not sure what song it was, but he was playing a black guitar and had a large band which included back-up singers dressed in wild Indian-type garb. One of the male back-up singers sang the lead on part of the tune. It looked like a late 80's/early 90's Robbie. Anyone know?....It was a nice tune.

Also last night, I saw a TV commercial for Verizon which was the Beatles song "All Together Now". The commercial ended just like the ending of the 'Yellow Submarine" movie ended with the same song, where the words are appearing on the screen as the song plays. I couldn't beleive it - is this Michael Jacksons doing?....BTW, it wasn't the original recording by the Beats.

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Mike

Subject: The band and my band

Jamie has posted alot of stuff here, including his story fo how the band became a part of his life. It just so happens that jamie is the reason that the Band is now a part of mine. Jamie and I have been best friends ever since i was 15.But not only is he my bestfriend, he is my bandmate. I grew up on the music that my father played for me, just as Jamie did, but unfortunatly, I just never got around to The Band. That is, until I meet Jamie. We've been playing music together for the past 4 years now and much of his influence has transfered to me. Only in the past year have I really started to seriously get into The Band. And it wasnt until 2 months ago when I went to Jamie's Apt and watch The Last Waltz for the first time with a few close friends. It truely was one of teh most amazing concerts I had ever seen and it made me wish that I had been there at some point to see the Band play in person. As Jamie mentioned in his story, we have a band here in Baltimore that is become a very prominant local act. And most of our influence comes from what we hear and see from The Band and The Last Waltz. We love covering songs such as "The Weight" and Cripple Creek" and the best part is, everyone loves hearing us play them. No one sings louder than they do everytime we get to the Chorus of The Weight when we're on stage. If it weren't for Jamie and his unbelievable love for The Band, I don't think our music would not be as great and fun to play infront of our fans.

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rosalind

What I'd really like to know is how Ape Shit down there found out I was a strawberry!

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Pat Brennan

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yorktr

Subject: one more dreadful "revived" band

Commenting on Bayou Sam's 8/14 posting vis-a-vis revived bands...some months ago I read about the "reformed" Yardbirds touring...I think only one of them were in this group, either McCarty or Dreja, I don't recall.

At any rate, with respect to the Yardbirds, (who I was actually able to see back in 1967), vocalist Relf is dead, and none of the three original guitarists were anywhere near this touring travesty. Unknown if Samwell-Smith is still alive.

I guess the surviving original members of these groups are only trying to enrich their pension funds a bit so as to not rely on cat food for their daily sustenance... Ultimately, I find it sad that groups who once inspired us now embarrass themselves and cheapen their legacies as well.

Oh, and another disappointing revelation for you all: Bayou Sam does NOT have gambling in his veins...

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Ape Shit

Subject: These posts

God, I just read more of these posts, how BORING! No one listens to eachother or responds, how COMICAL! Boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring *yawn* boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring BORING BORING BOOOMCHUCK! APe shit ape shit ape shit.

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APE SHIT

Subject: monkey poop and other good stuff

Rosalind, Thank you for your boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring comment. Now do what the gentleman says and go use a rolling donut......you strawberry poptart! APE SHIT

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Monkey Poop

Subject: the band

The band is cool. but this message board SUCKS....boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring as APE SHIT!

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jeff Newsom

You know to use a rolling donut! Why don't you?

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rosalind

Subject: Brennan

Every room has that one person who is more cheap, more ordinary, more typical than the rest. Pat Brennan, you win the prize. You remind me of Al Franken. That is the most insulting thing I can say to anyone. If someone were to give you an emema, they'd have to call in the best exterminator in town to clean up the mess. ~~finis~~

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Ray Pence

The discussion of Watkins Glen and the skydivers made me wonder, does anyone know about the significance/authenticity of the snatches of conversation between Band members on the bogus Capitol CD? For example, I thought I detected Robbie wisecracking, "Maybe it's the Second Coming!" Pat Brennan, anyone, know about this/want to speculate?

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Brien Sz

Subject: not to go on too long about this..,

JTull, you are smarter than this - do you truly believe we can eliminate the problem of suicide bombers? It seems western media has given you an odd look at things (as it has with most of us) In the middle east you'd be surprised at the quiet support (silent majority)these folks receive.., In our media we are told (to a degree) what we should lean towards.

We were shocked when Sadat was assasinated - how could such a man of peace be murdered like that - yet in the streets of Cairo there was no mass mournings, the media called it a tragedy, yet they moved on quick. Many, though not supportive of the way it was done, were glad to be rid of Sadat and his overly western views...,

On the other hand, Khomeni was viewed as the devil here..,"For sure the people will seek to overthrow him" was a simplified mind set of the average western observer - yet he was a hero to millions there and when he died, the mourning so sad that thousands flocked to his funeral. It became so out of hand that his coffin was overturned, the passion so consuming, that many had to have one last glance at the man some considered equal to the Hidden Imam (a kind of Pope like equivalance in Islam)..,

Nonetheless, my point is we have little to no clue about there culture and why they have such a disdain for us..,we are told they are fanatics and it is so.., IMO.., we may have the money, the might and the techology to take care of these "problems" but we have niether the passion or the patience to win.., we are only asking for bigger trouble in the long run..., let them grow as nations, let them slaughter themselves, let them take on democracy and western ideals in their own time. We are clueless to their guile and they will kill more of us than them. We have already shown that our military is too merciful and they (fundamentalists) find mercy to be weakness. If you're afraid of a bloody nose, than you shouldn't be in the fight. I'm afraid we will be dragged into a mess we will not be able to pick up after.., If Vietnam was tough, you haven't seen anything and lots of blood will be spilled in our streets, while we run around chasing shadows in the mountains..,

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Pat Brennan

Yup, that kind of incisive irony really rings true. Except that by trying to describe for the witty listener John Walker's background and possible motives, Steve Earle did no more than the Wall Street Journal (a rather long biography of Walker) and CNN (a full hour on Walker), both of whom have evidentally played into the evildoers' hands by--heavens forbid--disseminating information.

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Andy R.

Subject: Backatcha

I'm not too exact about the skydiver who died at Watkins Glen as Rick told me..I'm not really sure of what song Rick mentioned to me that he was singing at the time, but I remember that the line he said he was singing was ironic...that a guy had fallen to his death while Rick was singing a certain line. Sorry for not being able to be more accurate on that one!!!

Lil: please send me your correct e-mail address and I'll be able to respond. As both Rick and Elizabeth told me...Rick wouldn't come downstairs..and give the guy the satisfaction of killing himself in front of him..instead...the guy was asked to wait in the garden outside of the house..where I guess he eventually DID blow himself away. But not in Rick's or Elizabeth's presence thank God!!! This was when they were living in Los Angeles, by the way.

Have just seen for the second or third time "The Last Days Of Elvis" on E! True Hollywood story. Certain things DID strike a familiar chord in my memories of working with the guys!!! Especially the concept of "cocooning" and being in a sort of insulation-type of existence. Which is the way things are when you are "on the road".

Andybr67@aol.com

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JTull Fan

Subject: Terrorism, response to Jeff

Jeff aka Rollie: The purpose of my post was not to get into the what the U.S. gov't may or may not be guilty of. What I was reflecting on is this need on the part of many people to preface any act of Islamic terrorism with some variation of 'well, of course we are guilty of that too' or ' back in 1565 Saint so and so ate the flesh of some Ottoman', and use that relativistic argument to soften any condemnation of 9/11 or the current rise in Islamic anti-western terrorism around the world. My point is that the goal of these terrorists is anti-democratic, anti-technology (they want people to live in tents without electricity, books, media, etc.)violent, and oppressive of their own peoples. All societies and cultures have their dirty little secrets, and the road to a lawful, civil, and free society is not straight but curved. I do not think that our lack of perfection in any way prevents us nor should prevent us from calling a spade a spade.

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Norbert

Subject: The Brown Eyed Girl

Hee Rollie, don't you agree it's good to see the Brown Eyed Girl posting again? ........(as we both love her)

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Mullah Omar

Subject: "John Walker's Blues"

I just downloaded the mp3 of Steve Earle's "John Walker's Blues" and must admit that even though music is strictly forbidden under Islamic Law this tune really set my foot a-tappin'!!! I may confer with the Council of Mullahs later today and attempt to arrange an exemption so that this great song may be freely broadcast over Radio Taliban.

Thanks to those GB posters (in particular jeff Newsom f/k/a Rollie and Brien Sz) who are sympathetic to our cause! Unfortunately, when we take over the world The Band website and all websites relating to music (with the possible exception of the Steve Earle site) will necessarily be shut down. There is no God but Allah!!!!!

P.S. Osama, meet me tonight in the Dead chatroom at around 10 o'clock, okay? I'll be using the handle "Owsley." And please change your nickname to something that starts with the letter "Q" - there are far too many "Jerrys" in there - it's getting confusing!!!

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Stanley Landau

Subject: Watkins Glen

Andy R: I remember the sky divers, and as Pat notes, they landed so far from the stage that no most people were not aware that anything untoward had happened. However, I don't think that It Makes No Difference had been written at that point in the summer of '73.

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jeff Newsom (formerly known as Rollie)

Yo Tull! I think it is erroneous to assume that "our" govt has not been involved in or does not engage in acts of terrorism. Check out the info on Ft Bennings Georgia. I don't think the verdicts in on 9-11 either.In any case, keep on keepin on! As H-I said in "Raising Arizona", "There' what's right and there's what right, and never shall the twain meet!" Gotta love those Coen bros!

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Lil Again

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Crabgrass

Subject: Jim and Randy

Thanks for the nice comments on the Rockabilly Gurus photos which Jan just put up. Shame, shame on those who live within a 500 mile radius of Lincoln Center and missed this great free outdoor show!!

And now back to the suicide queries and discussions of terrorism...

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JTull Fan

Subject: Mideast politics

Brien, while acknowledging that U.S. and British actions have succumbed to heavy-handedness, and no-doubt will again, from sides both on the right and the left, I cannot feel any sympathy for those in the Middle East who may feel 'victimized' by it, and respond through terrorism. The Islamic terrorist, from the bus-bomb through the 9/11 variety, consist of the most arrogant, 'my way or die' bastards this world has seen to date. The means justify the ends as far as ridding the world of them is concerned.

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Diamond Lil

Have a good day everyone.

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Pat Brennan

When the parachute story first came up here (ahh, for an index), someone posted who actually knew one of the unfortunates. I have a fevered recollection that the group actually stopped playing when the chutes opened and Rick pointed up at them, thus alerting the whole crowd to them. Although the flare smoke was pretty thick, no one thought that anything deadly was going on. There's a Watkins Glen website somewhere that goes into more detail.

Musically, the ABros were the stars of the show, and I think it was their new bass player's first gig.

rosalind, an apt metaphor, especially if you need an enema.

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Andy R.

Subject: Watkins Glen

Following the Watkins Glen thread, I remember Rick telling me about an incident while The Band was playing, and he was singing "It Makes No Difference" I think, that he was watching one of the several skydivers descend, with smoke generators attached to his shoes, and the guy crashed into the ground and died. Rick described it as very surreal...but compared to many other stories he told me..e.g. people coming over to his house in L.A. to commit suicide in front of him, etc, this was pretty tame. Any one out there who attended Watkins Glen can shed any more light on this event?

Andybr67@aol.com

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Neil Diamond

Up until about a year ago I really wasn't a Elvis fan, sometimes events in your life change your opinion. A little over a year ago my best friend lost his 12 year old son, needless to say it's been a very sad time for thier family, I can't imagine what they are going through, theres not a parent who wants to, with Elvis being so big in the new's this week it's just another stark reminder of the loss of there little boy, as if they needed any. In the era of computer/vidieo games and "Kid Rock" this kid liked tree houses,stingray bikes with banana seats and Elvis Presley, he was a "throwback" or is as the popular phrase for people who liked simpilar times and the old way of doing things he was "old school" The saddest and most beatiful thing I've ever heard was Elvis singing gospel music in a church full of people mourning the loss of a very special little boy....

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Brien Sz

Subject: WG and the Box Set - A note about politics in the middle east

How I hope the new box set has lots of rare live pieces. The set list from WG looks tremendous and hopefully will be represented on the rumored box set. I'd also love to hear other excerpts from the Dylan tour, Their First tour, any rehearsals from various gigs, tv appearances, more LW (when they find them of course;) I'd love to hear more alternate takes and mixes as well - that was one of the best things about the reissues (and the new mixes were pretty fab too.)

rosalind - one the biggest problems the US has from a PR standpoint is that we feel our way is the best way and our viewpoints are the best points. That's rather arrogant and why a good portion of the world is neutral to not friendly with us. The middle east is especially wary of western culture and secularism. The Muslim culture is an all encompassing way of life, they believe it is hard if not improper to seperate church(mosque) and state. Look into their history from the days of colonial imperialism when Western ideas and democracy were introduced and you'll see that their experience was that "western" ideals were full of hypocricy. For example the British had a great influnce on the development of Egypt in the late ninteenth and early 20th century. Free elections were only given validity if the party that the British supported were elected, othterwise a coup would be set up or they would redo it and get it rigged, I mean right, the next time. The same is similar with the US involvment in Iran in the 50's. The list goes on and on. Those countries are better off growing on their own. They need to be left alone of heavy western pressure. Personally, I prefer a hands off policy that watches closely. This need to take out Saddam is ridiculous. We are only fanning a fire we cannot control no matter how much money, influence, or force we throw at it. We are not going to change the culture and the mind set of a people by toppling a guy we don't like. That is all I'm saying on this subject for this particular post.

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rosalind

Subject: The Nation

Yes! Let's understand where this guy's head was... let's understand his heart! Let us make the Qur'an required reading for our youngsters. Let us understand our enemy... or on second thought, maybe they're not our ememies at all. Yeah! That's it! Let's see things thru their eyes!

Liberalism is this country's most dangerous enemy. It has crawled up our ass and straight down our throat and ferociously and mercilessly devoured our heart, and right along with it our sight and common sense!

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Watkins Glen

Interesting about The Watkins Glen concert. I've always wondered why such a large gathering got so little attention (at least here on the West Coast) this is the first I've heard of the line-up and what went on there. By most accounts, it sounds like The Band saved the day.

I've heard Jerry say that The Dead played perhaps their worst show ever at Watkins Glen but I'll tell you that I have a recording of The Deads, "Sound Check" and it is legendary brilliance. There is about 25 minutes of free flowing magic from the greatest jam band ever.

I guess they blew their wad the day before the gig.

I miss all the fun.......

Talk amongst yourselves

Night kids

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rollie

Subject: Steve Earle

A link to a David Corn article on Steve Earles controversial song. Interesting.

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shirley

DOES LEVON HELMS HAVE AN ACTIVE E-MAIL ADDRESS THAT HE WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS AND JUST SHARE OLD TIMES WITH THE BAND IN THE 70'S..? THANKS wd5iat1@netzero.net

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Stanley Landau

Brown eyed girl: I’m sorry I didn’t get to meet you at the Garth show. He was kind enough to sign my copy of Sea to the North. Amazing guy, amazing performance eh?

Unfortunately I am not able to confirm the quote from Robbie. It was a long incredibly hot afternoon. We had arrived at Watkins Glen the evening before and had been up for about 36 hours baking in the sun and getting thoroughly dehydrated. As everyone knows, in the middle of The Band’s set, the rains came, and the guys left the stage. It seemed like the heaviest downpour I had ever experienced and we were all feeling pretty crummy. It was inconceivable to us that the Band would come back on – it felt like they had been playing for about 45 minutes, and the times I saw them perform up to then, they hadn’t played much more than an hour. We figured we’d had a fairly generous dose of The Band and could live without the Allman Brothers Band anyway, so, much to my everlasting regret, we uh…left.

Anyway, it took some time to get to the car, trekking through the mud and the trash left by 600,000 people. As the rain ended, we began to notice some familiar sounding stains blowing in the breeze. (I think it was WS Walcott, but I could be wrong), But by that time, we were about a mile from the stage and we didn’t have the energy to face going back.

Anyway, including Watkins Glen, I was fortunate enough to see the original line-up perform live nine times, (including great seats for both Dylan/Band shows at Maple Leaf Gardens in ’74) so I guess, all in all, I should count my blessings.

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Hi

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Pat Brennan

I think everyone there had a good time. Personally I was communing with the spheres very near Stanley Landau, although I had to weather the Dead's snoozeathon from up close and it wasn't pretty. As to the order, my guess is that the Dead soundchecked last with every intention of going on first the next day; the PA/soundboard etc. would have been set up for them since they went last Friday night. The Band's soundcheck was pretty short, certainly not an hour and a half.

I always recalled WG as a great Band show. However when I finally heard the boot, I changed my opinion conmpletely. Ragged playing, ragged vocals, weird attempts to extend the songs with poor results, really a poor show considering the triumph of the Rock of Ages week.

I believe the Roosevelt Stadium shows did not include the A-Bros.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Stanley Landau and Watkins Glen

Thanks so much for sharing that you were actually at Watkins Glen Stanley! If I knew you were going to be at the Garth show in Toronto I would have blah, blahed your head off about seeing The Band...I have only seen Levon, Rick and Garth. It really irks me how I missed The Band with Dylan in '74 cause I wasn't living in the city then....Anyway, glad to hear that Barney Hoskyns was right about the show....It's interesting to note that he didn't mention Richard in particular....but rather Levon and Garth having a few pulls of Glenfiddich...........Here is the apparent order of songs that night...

Back To Memphis
Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever
The Shape I'm In
The Weight
Stage Fright
I Shall Be Released
Don't Do It
Endless Highway
Genetic Method
Chest Fever
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Across The Great Divide....Hoskyns...(a pounding instrumental jam)
Saved
Up On Cripple Creek
This Wheel's On Fire
The W.S. Walcott Medicine Show
Slippin' And Slidin'
Rag Mama Rag (encore)

As Robbie left the stage he was heard shouting, "You're the most fantastic thing we've seen!".....Robbie also told a reporter later: "There was an alertness to the audience I could not believe."....;-D.....If all this is true Stanley......looks like you and The Band had a blast and will have beau...ti...ful......memories that cannot be erased by anyone......

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Stanley Landau

Subject: Watkins Glen

brown eyed girl:

I was in the audience at Watkins Glen and it certainly appeared like the Band was having a good time. (Richard in particular may have been having too good a time swigging from a bottle between songs).

Listening to the Watkins Glen Live album, the only part I am sure is authentic is the Billy Graham introduction. My friends and I were sitting about half a mile from the stage during the Dead’s opening set. All of a sudden we realized that the Band was getting ready to come on. I am embarrassed to admit that many an innocent person was bumped or stepped on as we rushed to get closer to the stage. We started just before Graham began talking and ended up about 50 yards from the stage as the Band finished Back to Memphis. (The first time I’d heard it.) The experience was quite remarkable, as you can imagine, and Graham’s memorable introduction provided an amazing backdrop, (as did The Band playing Back to Memphis of course.)

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rosalind

Hazey Davey's mention of "Yeah!" during Muddy's performance reminded me of the of the night I saw The Last Waltz in a crowded theater in 1978, except for the fact that I was the only woman in the entire place that started sceaming "Yeah!" I got hit on about 40 times before I even got out of the theater!

Mr.D. Thanks for that info into Robbie's youth...Says a lot.

And thanks for the up-date into The Hawks condition. The pancreas ain't nothin' to fool with. I wish all the good blessings in the world to be sifted right down over Ronnie.

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Lo_De2112

Subject: invitation to Seattle Music Festival slated for spring/summer 2003

Mr. Robertson & the Band, Please find this as our invitation to contact us to discuss the possibility of yourself, as well as, your bandmembers to be honored guests at our Native American music festival slated for the spring & summer of 2003 here in beautiful Seattle, WA. Look forward to hearing from you.

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Ray Shackleton

Subject: 49' Hudson

Has anyone seen a green '49 Hudson around Woodstock? It was my first car, I towed it from Big Pink in 1970. I got it from Rick Danko. anyhoo, I was wondering if it was still on the road, I have an old photo of the Band on it and another with Bobby D. with it. Ray, elrayo112@msn.com

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Hazy Davy

Subject: Robert Bly, Muddy Waters

Been wanting to post this for awhile...The new print of TLW played at Oak St. Cinema here a couple weeks ago. Sitting there alone (my fellow Band fan pal was unavailable...maybe he was at the Wilco show...) and near the front of the house, I turned around to check out the crowd...And seated just a couple rows behind me was none other than Robert Bly! I wanted to say to him, "I'm glad one of our most distinguished poets is also a Band fan!" But I didn't want to invade his privacy. One other note: During the line in "Mannish Boy," when Muddy Waters sings, "...when I wanna make love to a girl, she just can't resist," a large number of women in the Oak St. audience spontaneously applauded, yelled out "Yeah!" etc. It was my first time seeing TLW on the big screen; on TV, I'd never noticed how powerful, how grand, his performance is. Shouldn't have surprised me -- I saw him live, twice, in Toledo, Ohio, and he was great!

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brown eyed girl

Hoskyns writes that Bill Graham announced The Band after The Dead.......He shares with the crowd....."It's like waiting for fine wine. And it's been worth the wait." A new song was featured..."Endless Highway" at this gig...expressing all of Robbie's personal frustration with touring. Apparently this show and two others in Joisey had a major effect on the group's decision to tour with Dylan in the New Year...."Certainly Bob was curious to know about Watkins Glen, and grilled Robbie on every aspect of the festival as he weighed up the prospect of going back on the road for the first time in eight years."....Hoskyns claims The Band had a ball at this gig.....true?

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Mike Nomad

Great pix!

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tom the hun

Subject: band popularity

I never would have thought that The Band's popularity would be doubted on their own homepage. Maybe they've never had hits like The Monkees, or the Mamas and Papas, but please, please: were they ever a real threat to them? It's not just the number of number ones that makes someone a classic. The Band split up 25 years ago and we're still here. By the way, "Watkins Glen" is another example of pure great music -and the thing I like the most about The Band is that they just wanted to be a "Band" (musicians that is) and nothing more. I wish every musician was that humble.

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David Powell

Pat: Reading further, McNally seems to get his dates confused, referring to Saturday as July 27. According to McNally, with "at least 200,000 people on-site" by Friday afternoon, it was decided "to make the sound check a public affair." As he recounts, The Band came out first and played around forty minutes, followed by an hour & forty minute set by the Allmans. McNally adds that "Cocaine had lent a competitive edge to the scene, from trailer sizes to backstage amenities, and so the Dead one-upped them and did an entire show" (during their sound check).

On the day of the concert, Saturday, McNally recounts that the Dead played first but does not explain why it was decided that they would be the opening act. He seems to intimate that the sheer size of the crowd (600,000) may have made the group uneasy. He states the the Dead "played listlessly in the heat, perhaps fearing what might happen if they encouraged the crowd to do more than sway." McNally states that "As Weir saw it, they were 'rattled' by the sheer size of everything."

The Band played next and McNally is rather dismissive and abruptly harsh in describing them as "already enervated by heroin and internal politics, [having] not played together in a year."

McNally, however, is quite generous in describing the Allmans' closing set as "superb" and quotes Butch Trucks recalling the jam at the end as "edgy".

Knowing the history of the Dead and the Allman Brothers, I don't know why McNally singled The Band for such criticism that, at certain points, could have applied to the other two bands as well. Perhaps a certain degree of competitive jealousy among the groups may have rubbed-off on McNally as well.

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Bumbles

Subject: Headliners?

No matter who opened the show, the Band were most certainly a “support” act at Watkins Glen, as they were for any stadium or festival shows they ever played. It’s useful to remember that the Band were never headliners above about the 3,000-seat theater level. In New York, they played the Fillmore, the Academy of Music, the Palladium, the occasional outer-borough hall or college campus, and the Felt Forum underneath Madison Square Garden---never the Garden itself (except when Dylan was selling the tickets in ‘74). As far as Watkins Glen, it wasn’t a one-shot gig. That bill played other East Coast shows that summer (including the thoroughly bootlegged Roosevelt Stadium shows in Jersey City); I wonder if the order of appearance was the same as at Watkins Glen.

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Pat Brennan

David P, that's an odd one since the Dead opened the show with The Band following and the A-Bros wrapping it up (oh yes, followed by the all-star jam).

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Bones

Hank: I'm kind of confused by your post about Dylan being more of a sideman/jam guy than Robbie. I can't speak for McCartney, but a lot of Robbie's live work the past ten years have been jams. He seems to do it more than Dylan. As far as a sideman, he used to be the ultimate sideman during the Dylan/Hawkins days.

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Peter Viney

Butch rightly appreciated a good dressing room. How about some classic BAD dressing rooms? I nominate a ballroom on the cliff in Bournemouth (where I saw Jethro Tull, The Nice etc in their early days). This had a men's urinal running along the wall. It was pointed out as an asset by the promoter-" so you don't have to go and pee in front of the punters". It seemed a little exposed and no one used it. Then the smell began - it ran straight along from the public urinal next door and the public hit it before the dressing room, which it then flowed through. It was demolished 25 or 30 years ago.

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David Powell

Just started reading Dennis McNally's "A Long Strange Trip -- The Inside History of the Grateful Dead". I skipped ahead & glanced at the chapter covering the Watkins Glen concert. According to Mr. McNally, the promoters "offered the Dead and the Allmans $110,000 each ... Since neither band wanted to open, they needed a third band. At first they considered Leon Russell, but at the last second, the Dead suggested the Band. In the end the promoters had to pay Leon not to play." (p. 456)

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Bumbles

Subject: Rick Danko Rerelease

The latest issue of ICE lists a "Best of Rick Danko" on Arista, which has to be the remaster of the 1st solo album plus the live bonus tracks, as "cancelled."

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Bumbles

Subject: Mekons/J. Langford/Band

CORRECTION: That eerie fragment of “Whispering Pines” by the Mekons actually closes side 1 of “Fear & Whiskey,” although since CDs don’t have actual sides that require turning, it’s more correct to say that it now appears after “Psycho Cupid” & before “Flitcraft.” In a post the other day about Langford/Mekons-Band connections, I carelessly mentioned that it appeared on “The Edge of the World,” the follow-up to “Fear & Whiskey.” I only mention it because I notice Jan (or an elf) already had a page up in the discography for “The Edge of the World.”

BILL: Thanks for the additional information on the Dianne Brooks session. Not surprised to see Eric Gale & Bernard Purdie were on “Picture Me Gone”; it’s that kind of record. And if Harvey Brooks was producing classy urban soul sides like that one in 1967, he can’t be to blame for “Super Session” & the Electric Flag.

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brown eyed girl

Alright New York's finest Band photographer!! As always you have that rock and roll eye and creativity for photos that are as good as fine art....You were so lucky to have been at the Red Hot Rockabilly Party with Weider, Ciarlante, Felts, Burnette Boyzzz.....I can't believe I couldn't make it to that show........and then the same weekend Buddy Cage was playing a Dead Tribute and Garth and gang were performing as was Canada's Ian Tyson.....Wow!!!!!!.....You are one person in NYC who is out to support live music all the time. Looking forward to the moments you will capture at the Bluezzzzz Cruise next Friday in NYC. Like Crabby I support all former Band members live and not just my fave...;-D

So glad you mentioned Dawn performing with you at the gig we saw Hank....She had a voice that ya wanted to hear more and more of....but please teach your Band some Louuu tunes like you performed at your solo gig....OK?....Sorry...ya know I have a rock and roll heart....BTW...Wasn't it great to see Herbie Flowers in the video?

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butch

Subject: the blues

well I cant improve on chris' or Joy's posts,, except to add that our friend PETE KANERIS ( sp )from the NIGHTHAWKS, joined the BarnBurners for most of both sets,, he added some burnin Muddy Waters Slide on a buncha tunes & him & Pat really jammed out together,,,,,

The energy level from the band & the audience was @ a fever pitch,,,,Levon was primed & ready ,, like a thoroughbred @ the starting gate,,, & the crowd was sooooo ready to see them,,

they didnt dissapoint,,, blues of everytype,, jump, swing, delta, chicago, MUDDY, Lil Walter, Lazy Lester,,, you name it,, annapolis got it,,, in BLUE ! The RAMSHEAD is a musicians club,,,, clean, nice to thew musicians, GREAT FOOD !!! & lots of it,, a CLEAN DRESSING ROOM WITH NEW FURNITURE,,, these are important things out there,,,,

Jeff Sarli had his parents there , & they were charming ,,,Levon & the fellas many fans were eager to meet & get anything signed & the boss accomodated each & everyone,,,,

Big Joe,,,,, A.P.,,,,,,, Chris Cafiero ( Little Feats ARCHIVIST ) were all a big help to us/me,,,,

Joy got to see something other than a dylan show & really enjoyed our fellas,,,too,,,

chrissy & joyce from baltimore danced all night long & then we were home,,, a good night for LEVON & THE BARNBURNERS !!!!!!!!!!

TONIGHT !!! FRIDAY !!!!!! in NYC @ TRIBECA BLUES,,,

see ya,,,,

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John D

I screwed up on some of my details. Jim Robertson was indeed Robbie's natural father. Klagerman came along later. It was Jim Robertson's (Robbie's natural father) funeral that Robbie did not attend. Finally got my facts right I believe from a good source. It's sometimes hard to seperate myth from fact.

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Long Distance Operator

Hank, funny you should mention the Ron Wood at Graceland story. I just bought "Ron Wood by Ron Wood: The Works" and read that anecdote just yesterday. Small world.

I'll drink to Ronnie Wood, every day of the week.

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Hank

Subject: Beware of The Whatnots!!!!

Well, it's 25 years since Elvis left the Building we call Planet Earth......

Folks converging on Memphis, they've got an Elvis lottery scratch card here in Ireland.......win a trip to Graceland!.....From Galway to Graceland! All the look and sound alikes......the pointless merchandise that obscures his musical heritage of Southern Bluesmen'n'women, Western Swing and Religious Quartets.......

Sad, really........

Peter Guralnicks books are really the only things you need to read and know about Elvis.....As far as I'm concerned, despite all his fame and glory from humble origins 'n' all that 'n' all that....for a' that.....Elvis was a great record PRODUCER......he had the ears and knew the importance of performance in the studio.........too bad he never got a chance nor was encouraged to produce someone elses records...it may have been a wonderful way of maturing.....as opposed to being paraded as product by the bad people around him as he was.....and STILL is.......although I must admit I like the new version of "A Little Less Conversation"....but, there again, the original ROCKS as only Elvis could....and you can be damn sure ELVIS pretty much arranged and produced that song.....and then tore it up in performance...which is why this new dancey remix we've been hearing for the past few months over here (ain't that so, Peter Viney?), is SOOOOOO good........Like, it's really too bad that Elvis and Levon never worked together........

Imagine The Band backing Elvis.........

Hey There, Jamie!....if yer reading this....Besta luck!.........

I loved what you said about Danko having a great backing group!....... Rick is the very HEART of The Band.....

If you ever want to make to Ireland, I can get you a great gig in Baltimore, West Cork....and other gigs as well, of course!......

Check out my web-link if you wanna get in touch with me.......There's an email address there.......as we don't do them in here anymore, due to viruses and whatnots...................

(Anyone know What EXACTLY is a "whatnot"?)

Reunion or not......It WOULD be great to hear RR play some rockin' guitar again......

With regards to what BAYOU SAM wrote about RR/McCartney....I think they are actually very much the same...they will NOT be sidemen...you hear of Clapton, Hendrix, Harrison or Sting or Elton John....Dylan, (even!)........ walking on someone elses stage or at someone else's session and say...

"What key are we in?"...and they start cookin'....

...........whereas with the likes of McCartney/RR.....Them boys DON'T jam.................

I'm NOT criticising this, folks...it just appears to be the way things are with these two particular cats.....I got NO problem with that......

(Jaggers the same....you rarely see Sir Mick just jamming...I read a story about how SRV blew Bryan Adams off the stage opening at The Bottom Line in the '80ies...and afterwards whilst Sir Mick was conferring w/SRV backstage, Adams tried to get Jagger to sing with him........ "Do yer own gig, man" came the reply from Sir Jagger........I'm aware Mick Jagger ain't the most popular person round these here GB parts, but I thought that was pretty cool.......)

Ronnie Wood is ALWAYS jumping up to jam.....and that's cool, too........

Who here would NOT let Ronnie jump up and boogie?.......WHY not?........

They should make Ronnie a Knight, too.....for scaling the Walls of Graceland in 1976 and trying to save Elvis!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Bayou Sam, Thank-you

B. Sam: Thanks for the mention. Glad someone appreciates my dry humor. Before flying home today I stopped at Mall of America and found The Making of The Band on DVD, and just enjoyed it immensely, for a moment. Then I went to move my sprinkler and a police car came and approached, stopped, and the officer approached me. Seems someone took down my wife's license plate at our health club last night and claims she hit a parked car while leaving. (News to me!)So... we will have a talk once she gets home from bookclub tonight. Well, I'm upset but I will take a gentle tact. It may be a mistake or a minor thing blown out of proportion, but either way we are screwed, because now our insurance co. will check our records and find I got a reckless driving ticket last year for excessive speeding in Dinwiddie (doesn't THAT sound Southern. Trust me, it is hick Virginia)County last year driving back from a business trip in Charlotte. So, I play play realllly nice so when I screw up next I can point to this rare incident of my being understanding, and get away with something! :)

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Patrick

Subject: i send no sickness

i'm the man with the email of "garthhudson@hotmail.com". i guess people are getting viruses for some strange reason. I don't know much about computers so i have no idea how viruses are created. i am not a computer geek. i have a girlfriend! anywho. i do get alot of junk mail, and i filtered it so i get none now. so no one can e mail me but friends. i hope the viruses stop. sorry everyone. computers are crazy crazy gadgets!

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Chris Dougherty

Subject: Annapolis..

Well, I have to second Joy Munsens post, what an incredible show in Annapolis last night. Joy, I also took the scenic route to the show. Mine was by way of the Hospitol Emergency Room for kidney stones! Thought I was gonna meet my maker until they got some drugs in me and I got my brother to call and change our tickets to the late show. The great people at The Ram's Head nicely took care of it. I made it to the show like death warmed over but I instantly felt better when I talked to Levon, Butch, Pat and Chris. The nicest bunch of people a person would want to meet. The Blues were my healing power last night!! The Barnburners as a group and individually were on fire and sounded great!!! Great place to see a show. Thanks again Butch and Levon for your kindness!! More to post but I just got back to Jersey and still feel like HELL! Thanks.

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Bayou Sam

Subject: just more stuff - hey, I'm on vacation so I got time to kill, what a thrill

Jamie = nice story. That kind of story shows up here every now and then, and it reminds me of what it's all about. Oh and, good luck.

Bob Dylan, the piano player in The Band? Wasn't The Band pretty well set as far as keyboards go?

I just read an interesting piano player story that has nothing (nutin if you're in The Bronx) to do with The Band. While playing in Germany in '62, the Beatles hooked up with a great piano player who was the house player at a big time club in Hamburg. After the Beatles went back to England, Brian Epstein approached the guy and told him that the Beatles would like him to join the group as a full time member. During this time Epstein was hitting all the record companies trying to get signed. The piano player thought for a minute and decided that, although he liked the idea, he was better off sticking to his current gig, which was a nice paying, long term deal at this Hamburg club.

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Calvin

Bones, Arista has the CD listed as a TBA on their release sheets. Meaning it was pulled for some last second tooling, or simply it wasnt quite ready by the release date.

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bob wigo

Jamie,

Your post is, without question, the best thing I've read here in a long, long time.

Spread the word and enjoy every note of The Band's wonderful music.

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David Powell

Stan Szelest played with Lonnie Mack for several years. A while back I rediscovered a great album Stan recorded with Lonnie, "Strike Like Lightning" (Alligator). As the title suggests, this album smokes! It also features the talents of Stevie Ray Vaughan and Tim Drummond. I picked it up when it first came out on LP but I believe it is available on CD.

Thanks John D. for keeping us posted and thanks Jamie for sharing your story of discovering The Band. "The sacred harp was handed down, from father unto son."

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Jamie

Subject: The Band in my life

My story of The Band is as follows....

I was 11 years old when I first began buying music. I had grown up on my dad's music (Beatles, Dylan, Stones), but had been too young to understand truely great music. It was 1992. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, R.E.M. were on radios across the country.

I was a quiet kid who had a great imagination and big goals. For my mother's christmas present that year, my father gave her a boxed set entitled "Across the Great Divide." I had heard my father speak of this group called The Band before with a passion he usually saved only for Frank Robinson. Christmas night, 1992, was the first time I heard The Band.

I told my dad that I enjoyed what I heard, so days later he rented for me a film called "The Last Waltz." I was completely blown away at what I saw. I can't say anything about the music that hasn't already been said. But seeing these men on stage was a personal epitomy. Here I was, first year in middle-school, all I saw performing wer guys in lousy clothes banging around guitars and going through the motions. "The Band has class," I thought. "I want to have class!"

I had so many thoughts after completing the film. "That Danko guy has a GREAT back-up band!" "I wish I could do anything half as good as Levon plays music." "Too bad Richard didn't sing more." "Who in the name of god is playing keyboards?" And obviously, "where did those songs come from?"

The next afternoon I tore through my dad's vinals, looking for everthing of theirs I could find. I was a fanatic of The Band. Over the next year or so, I heard basically every track The Band produced. As a middle-school kid, I couldn't imagine better songs than "The River Hymn," "Chest Fever," or "Rockin' Chair" existed. I'm not sure I had much of a clue of what they were singing about, but I knew that someday I would.

I am closing in on my own personal 10 year anniversary with The Band. I originally had planned to spend the evening by myself, starting with Big Pink and continuing to The Last Watlz. However a unexpected thing happened a few moths ago. The Last Waltz came out on DVD. To make a long story short, I have many close friends who are now as fanatic as I am.

I am happy to have found such a place where I can meet others who have had a similar experience as I have had. The Band influences me directly everyday. I have been fortunate to have had my band become one of the top local bands in Baltimore. One of our covers, a peculiar ditty called "The Weight," is the best received tune every time we play. Once in a while someone will tell me how much we remind them of The Band, and I become overcome with emotion. As the lone songwriter & guitarist of my group, I have quite an act to follow. Wish me luck.

Great1JG@aol.com

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Joy Munsey

Subject: Annapolis Bound and Back

When I heard the Barnburners were coming to Annapolis (just one state away) , I figured I had better jump at the chance to see what all the fuss was about. I left on Tuesday at 9 am, taking the scenic route up route 17 and then 301. It took me 5 and 1/2 hours to go 215 miles!! That's enough scenery for me! I got there a day early, hoping to sightsee a little. I found my hotel, put on my walking shoes and ventured out to find the Ramshead Tavern. Having found it very quickly, I decided to take a harbor tour. Nice place to visit if you haven't been there. Lots of historic sights, shopping and places to eat.

I eventually met up with Butch and his friend, Joe, who both took good care of me. The Ramshead Inn was the place to be on Wednesday night! Great food (thanks for dinner, Joe!), nice atmosphere and friendly folks!

The first show started 15 minutes late because Jeff (who is from that area) was in traffic. Chris commented that Jeff can be on time for out of town shows, but he can't even get to a local show on time!

The show got off to a scorching start. Chris can play the HELL out of that harmonica. I think I was impressed most by that. I just kept staring at him! I'd never seen Levon play live, and he was as impressive as everyone comments. He's amazing...the best at what he does. Jeff on his upright bass, making love to it as someone commented that night. (I think it was Joe!) Pat on guitar, looking all nice in his suit... wow...just awesome.

Unless you're new to this guestbook, you already know that Levon is quite a friendly guy and welcomes photos and will sign anything you put in front of him. He's one of a kind.

I sent Jan some pictures to post on the webpage. They turned out okay, and it's always nice to see pictures of the Barnburners.

If the Barnburners are ever close by you, and you haven't seen them, I give them a thumbs up.

I decided to NOT take the scenic route home today...made it home in 3 hours and 57 minutes! The trip was well worth the time and expense. Thanks to Butch and Joe and Levon and the Barnburners!

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John D

According to Serge who knows the senior Robertson's family the story regarding Robbie's Biological Father's death is one of fiction. According to Serge, who heard this from the Robertson clan is that Klagerman actually was killed by a car while changing a tire on the Queen E highway. Not as Dylanesque as the gangland murder; but apperently the way it really went down. I also heard that Robbie never attended the fueral of his adopted father, Mr. Robertson Senior. This according to Serge whose done a lot of homework in these early issues.

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John D

Stan Szelest's name has come up and so it should. Just for those of you who don't know........Ronnie Hawkins has told me many times over that Stan Szelest was the best piano player HE EVER HAD, IN ANY OF HIS BANDS over the years. That includes Will Pop Jones, Beak and others. Ronnie truly admired Stan. He was a gentle soul with a big heart. Too Soon Gone.

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Ragtime (again, sorry?)

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Ragtime

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Ilkka (again, sorry)

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Bones

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Bill

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Ilkka

Subject: SAAB/Self Portrait/Band reunited/Ragtime

1) SAAB - a short history: SAAB means "Swedish Aeroplane Industries". After WW2 there were no markets for fighters so they made a car, similar to those 2-stroke cars from Eastern Germany. In the 70s they invented the turbo engined family car. Now the factory is owned by GM. Beside Levon the other famous Band profiles driving (or have driven) a turbo SAAB are Peter Viney and a certain Ilkka.
2) Self Portrait is the best Dylan album.
3) Band reunited: to have Bob Dylan on _PIANO_ , wow. Thanks Hank, these are the wisest word in gb since I said that Bob Dylan should play piano in The Band.
4) Ragtime said: change Eric Clapton for Paul McCartney. Ilkka says: change Ragtime for Erasmus Rotterdamus!

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Bayou Sam

Subject: thoughts- meandering like a wind inside a letterbox...

Hank = I love when you post after a gig and your kind of wound-up and tired at the same time....I dosen't look like they want Macca in your fantasy band. McCartney bashers put Robbie bashers to shame......McCartney had his own "na na na's" in Hey Jude, so he could sing that part of Dixie great.....wait a minute - Hey Jude came out the year before Dixie. Robbie ripped off Levon AND Paul McCartney - the bastard.***NOTE - the preceeding was just a joke - I'm not a RR basher.

Rosalind = I'm staring at the screen blankly.

Rollie = It comes from within - no special outside place.

I've got a recording of a song by Bill Kirchen called "Womb to The Tomb". Kind of covers it all.

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AlexL.

Subject: Self Portrait

Dont call Bob Dylan's "Self portrait" 'dissapointing'. This album is quirky masterpiece! Also a a 4cd Basement Tapes bootleg called "A Tree with Roots" was released by White Bear. It contains 128 tracks, and the sound quality is superb. Visit www.bobsboots.com for more infomation. Good site 8 out 9.

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Dexy

Hank -- I like it, but to be (at least a tad) bit more realistic, how about Chris Hillman on bass and vocals?

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Johnny Flippo

All this talk about a Band reunion is insane. That won't, however, stop me from participating. Here's a scenarion which might work.

In anticipation of the pending "definitive box set" which RR has been alluding to, the surviving members could pull a "Threetles". Clean up a tape of Richard and Rick performing live, and overdub backing. Each surviving member could overdub their parts separately, a la the Ronny Hawkins track of a couple years ago. No one would have to be in the studio with anyone else, they wouldn't have to speak and no arguments would ensue. Not a very soulful solution, but definitely doable.

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bob wigo

Ros,

You reminded me of that wonderful John Mayall tune............."Womb to Move".

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brown eyed girl

Garland Jeffreys....another musician who was greatly influenced by THE BAND'S BIG PINK period. He also lived not far from Woodstock as well. As I have posted before he was friends with Louuuu Reed in the early sixties and apparently ran into him again at a Doc Pomus fundraiser.....I wanted to be at that show but I already had tickets for Dylan......Garland was one of the first musicians to combine reggae and rock in his music and like myself really loved the work of Marley and The Clash.

He thought Stan Szelest was an amazing piano player and learned a lot from the time they played music together but in the end......He learned.....that he'd rather be a solo artist than in a band.......Why is that Garland?....;-D.........If anyone has seen Garland live please post 'cause I'd love to hear about his shows. Listening to his "New York Skyline" tune takes on a complete new meaning now. I used to play that song everytime I was off to NYC....but since I was on top of the World Trade Centre two months before the bombing I can't even listen to this song anymore since I have photos where I am standing on top of the Centre thinking now......It's true......It just wasn't my time to leave yet.....

BTW....I can't stop listening to Springsteen's NOTHING MAN....and the boppy LET'S BE FRIENDS SKIN TO SKIN.......

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Jenny T

I think making music is like any art where when you're really doing it your mind is working out of a certain place where you are not really consciously thinking--now I'm going to put some red here, now I'm going to play a C major or whatever. You just do it and it is your creation because it's coming from you, but most of it is not from a conscious or intentional place. Even writing can be like that, where the words somehow come out just right but you're not struggling for them, they're just there, like your head put them together behind your back and you think "whoa, how did I come up with that?!" I think it feels like it's coming from the outside, but it's really from the inside. I think some people call it being "in flow" and I think you lose your sense of time when you're in it.

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Peter Viney

Vintage Violence. Why didn’t it list the musicians? In the Rolling Stone review reprinted in the CD sleeve, Ed Ward says “Mention should be made of another of the album’s enigmas – the musicians. I have never heard a backup band – overdubbed as they may be – with such an incredibly organic flow ……… there is little indication of who they are although it would be a safe bet to say they include members of a band called Grinder’s Switch who put out a perfectly awful album a few months back.’ It’s unusual that the CD issue prints this review, but still doesn’t give full credits. Though in tiny print it does say ‘Thanks to Belsey, Stan Szelest, Ernie Corrala, Sandy Konikoff, Harvey Brooks and Garland Jeffries.’ Mind you, it had “piss take” sleeve notes which were popular at the time. Ever since the “Volunteers” sleeve I’ve thought of Bob Dylan as Bud Dolan and Chuck Berry as Buck Cherry.

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richie the brit

Subject: music ;its true essence

interesting roz.sex with the devil hmmmmm...great movie rosemary's baby. drat !there i go talking about movies again.seriously though,i think i see where your coming from.i do believe that we are all essentially spiritual beings whether we realise it or not. music for me is a spiritual form. we respond to this naturally. great music is like being in church.music is transcendent. it takes us to another place. i remember when i first heard acadian driftwood, i was drawn into the song to the extent the world outside seemed to dissapear. jeez im rambling now. i hope this makes sense roz. peace richie.

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Neil Diamond

Roz... my X wife layed there like a rock, "um woops" that was in bed while we were married come to think of it, it's a good thing it was church music you were hearing and not "Up On Cripple Creek" or your poor Ma Ma would have thought you were bustin out... Seriously though, my oldest son was a shaker and mover all the time, I don't remember it being at specific times though, I don't recall hearing anything like your Mother's experiance that being specificlly your reaction to music, that might explain your ear for music, were constantly developing in there ...

The addition of Clapton to any Band reunion would be great, but I think the boys could find something for Neil Young to do also, ahh hell what about the Doctor and Van, wait a minute, I think this has been done before...

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Ragtime

Hey Hank,

Say "Eric Clapton" for "Paul McCartney" and I'm with you...

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rosalind

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rosalind

Subject: Thanks Rollie..

I have always wanted to ask this question in here. I have asked every quality musician I have ever met this question, and usually I just a shake of the head or a blank stare. My mother told me many years ago one of the most important and mysterious things I ever heard, and it was about me. She told me when I was in the womb, that I just laid there like a rock, never moving, she couldn't even hardly tell I was there, until she would go to church and that old piano would start ..She told me she would have to hold her coat around her body and squeeze to keep me from pounding my way out, and at times would actually have to leave and walk me around outside till I quieted down enough for her to go back in. The question is, and I know that you people are Real quality music lovers and musicians, you simply cannot be drawn to The Band and not have an ear for the real deal. Have you or anyone you have ever spoken to about such things had that same type of experience?

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Mary (bear)

Subject: The Band Reunited, and Levon

Well while it would be wonderful to see The Band Reunited, it isn't going to happen EVER! I am sorry I didn't get to see the original 5 perform, but their music does live on. But, I still have enjoyed Ricks solo projects, Levon has one hell of a fine band, and I am looking forward to seeing Garth and The Crowmatix perform in Bryn Mawr in October. I am also looking forward to obtaining Richards cd, and I have enjoyed Robbies solo projects. /n Now on to my next point......Is anyone planning to attend the Heritage Music Festival this weekend in Wheeling, WV. You can go to www.heritagemusicfest.com for ticket info and the list of artists for the 3 day event. Levon is playing this Sunday the 18th at 2 p.m. I believe. Maria Muldaur will be there also. Anyone that can attend is in for a great show, and Butch is right, Levon is having a great time just playing the music. You can see it on his face as he plays, he is having the time of his life. So come on out and catch the show...../n Hi to lil, it has been a few weeks.....donna, and calm..Have a good day everyone.

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rollie

Subject: The Band (and the metaphysical world)

To any disciple of the Band, it should be readily apparent that a certain member(Honey boy) seems to be tapped into another dimension when propelling those masterful solos(be it on the keyboards or sax)into the universe. His work on Northern Lights-Southern Cross is "other worldly". So it should come as no surprise to any one to find out that our man Merlin is deeply into the world of dowsing,(finding water with the use of sticks). Check out Levons book for an example of this. Which brings me to the topic of crop -circles. ( I can hear those snickers already!!) Now , I don't have an opinion on this phenomenon(yet), but one did just appear very close to here a couple of days ago. While I believe it was a prank, it did get me interested in the subject so I checked out a couple of web sights(see the link). Where am I going with this? I'll be fucked if I know! But it makes me think about the number of times I 've heard people describing how certain musicians seem to be a source or a channel ( an example being Jimmie Vaughans description, or Claptons for that matter, of stevie being able to tap into some other force). I think it's fair to say that many musicians have experienced that moment when they are completely "of the moment", where music just seems to flow through them. How many times have we come away from certain musical performances with the feeling that we've just had a religious experience? I wonder? Do aliens listen to "Northern Lights-Southern Cross" in their travels?

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Hank

Subject: Just Like The Rolling Stones........

Well, actually, noooo...I COULDN'T let a "Band Reunion" thread go by

.......without adding my two (euro) cent (s)....

There IS a way you could get RR, Garth and Levon back onstage again....or even in a studio.......

All it would take is a phone call (with a offer of decent bread and conditions) from Bob Dylan....

Here's a band that would work (and everyone here would probably pay $5000 each to see it, too):

Bob Dylan - vocals, guitar and piano

RR - lead guitar, vocals

Garth - all kindsa keyboards and sax

Levon - drums, mandolin, guitar, bass

and.....uh...Paul McCartney - bass, vocals, guitar and keys

They'd have to do a bit of rehearsal, perhaps, but, yes.....you could put those 5 gentlemen on a stage and it would work as well as any band out there.......Yea or Nay?

Alternatively, the aforementioned 5 gentlemen could ALL join a new incarnation of Ringos All-Starr Band and you could have a Beatle/Bob Dylan/Band touring group..........

What'cha reckon, folks?

Now, don't everyone get all sniffy on me and start complaining about this is all fantasy, blah, blah blah.......I mean, in 1987, who woulda thought Bob Dylan, George Harrison, Roy Orbison, Tom Petty and..uh..Jeff Lynne would get together and make a great record?......

Seriously, tho' I bet'cha that if Bob Dylan called on Levon, Garth and RR to play on his next album......they'd do it......and it'd be GREAT, too.......

I could be TOTALLY wrong......but, there ya go..MY contribution to "The Band Reunion" thread.......

Na-Na-NaNa-NAAAAAAAA

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Hank

Subject: Na-Na is the saddest word..........

Na Na Na Na Na-Na..........Na-Na

Maybe y'all could help me with this AMAZING DISCOVERY I made tonight......

I do this segue of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" into "Blind Willie McTell" at my acoustic gigs.......it works, y'know....and I'm dead proud of it.....it always goes down a treat.....two great songs about The Rebel South........

(Much empathy for the rebels here in Cork....)

anywho......

Y'all remember how Rick used to sing "Na Na Na Na Na-Na" in between verses of "Blind Willie McTell" at his solo gigs?......Well, it struck me tonight, as I was performing in a tiny pub in Ballydehob (yes, seriously) that............

THE "Na Na Na Na Na-Na"s OF "BLIND WILLIE McTELL" AND THE "Na Na Na Na Na-Na"s OF "DIXIE" WERE ONE AND THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\

THEY ARE THE SAME "Na Na Na Na Na-Na"s!!!!!!!!!!......

OR AT LEAST FROM THE SAME FAMILY OF "Na Na Na Na Na-Na"s..........

Close Relatives...........

You wanna know how I know that?....Well, it's simple, really............

When I sang the chorus of "Dixie", all the people (at the gig) were singing

"Na Na Na Na Na Na Na.... NaNa Na Na Na Na Na Na Na!!!!!"......

......and THEN, when I started "Blind Willie McTell", I began by singing

"Na Na Na Na Na Na...Na Na Na ....Na Na Na...Na Na"

.....and the next time I sang it (in between verses 2 and 3) ALL the people in the pub in Ballydehob

SANG IT WITH ME!!!!!!!.......

JUST LIKE THEY DID DURING "Dixie"!!!!!!!!!

AND THEY WUZ ALL SMILIN' AND SANGING IT WITH FEELIN' AND GUSTO AND STUFF!

Needless to say, I was blown away .......and thought "Man, I can't wait to tell them all on the GB about this!!!......"

Of course, I humbly await someone here to tell me that this is what Rick meant ALL ALONG by singing the "Na Na" bit on "Blind Willie McTell".....or that Bob Dylan would NEVER sing "Na Na Na Na Na-Na".........which is fair enuff and why I like coming to The GB, anyway........

(For you musos out there wondering how I get from "Dixie" to "Blind Willie McTell".......

I play "Dixie" in the key of G Major but I finish it on an E Minor Chord....

.....which is where I begin playing "Blind Willie McTell".....

......got it?)

(Yes, Yes, I KNOW "Dixie" should be in the key of C Major and be played so quietly so as not to wake the newborn baby yadda yadda yadda.......)

Now......don't THAT just beat all these Band Reunion posts?

(Sing out loud in kids-playground voice and melody) "Na Na NaNa NAAAAAA!"

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Bayou Sam

Subject: stuff

rosalind = thanks for the beating - I'm still sore.

J Tull = funny post - I almost fell off the chair laughing.

Band Connection = this post is on the Band website.

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Mike Nomad

Fyi, this wire service report, an excerpt of which is repeated here, is about 24 hours old. I thought I'd pass it along because I don't believe anyone else has.

TORONTO — Legendary rocker Ronnie Hawkins had a tumour removed from his pancreas on Tuesday. It was not immediately known if the growth was cancerous.

His family would only say that the Arkansas-born Hawkins was recovering from surgery and was grateful for all the good wishes sent from fans and friends. Producer David Foster, former U.S. President Bill Clinton and actor Kris Kristofferson were among those reported to have called the 67-year-old rocker prior to the surgery. “While deeply appreciative of this good will, the family would like to request privacy at this time,” read a family statement.

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Richard

Subject: Gettin' Jiggy

JOE and BILL: I've passed along this little tidbit from Arthur Scammell's website to members of the Bottles Caps. Hope they can correct the credit before the CD comes out!

"At the age of 15, Arthur Scammell (1913- ) wrote one of Newfoundland's most famous and enduring folk songs, Squid Jiggin' Ground. When Gerald S. Doyle included it in his popular songbook, the song became an immediate favourite thanks to its lively tune and colourful, irreverent lyrics:

"Oh this is the place where the fishermen gather,
With oilskins and boots and cape-anns battened down.
All sizes of figures with squid lines and jiggers,
They congregate here on the squid jiggin' ground.

"Scammell's recording of Squid Jiggin' Ground, released in 1943, is generally considered the first commercial recording of a Newfoundland folk song. Scammell reported that between 1942 and 1979, sales of the record and sheet music earned him $35,000 in royalties."

I've only heard a small sample of the B.C.'s version, but rest assured Joe, Stampfel sounds absolutely nothing like Hank Snow, and "exuberance" is his middle name. BTW, Good to see you back in the GB!

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rosalind

No-Wife__Yeah, But he might knock that hump on your back off.

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BWNWITennessee

Mr. Anonymous Weasel, (where have I seen the spider.aol isp before?) - who exactly is the person who intimidates me more than anyone else in the world? Is it you, or Levon? Anyway, although I'm not scared of Mr. Helm, I wouldn't get into a fistfight with him simply because I'd worry that any possible damage to my gorgeous face would have a negative impact on my career as a professional model. BTW, my shrink told me to save my mindless rants for The Band GB. She's actually the one who told me about this site. Strange. Is she a friend of yours?

JTull, don't forget about putting Roger Daltrey with Pete Townshend, then adding Ringo Starr's kid, and an old friend on bass. Add Rabbit Bundrick on keyboards, and you'd probably get more that 100%. Oh, wait...

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Joe

Subject: Squid Jiggin' Ground

Art Scammell is (was) a Newfoundland educator and writer who composed a number of folk songs of which "Squid Jiggin' Ground" is the most notable. Hank Snow's plummy-voiced version somehow misses the exuberance with which it should be sung.

Incidently I'm a long time Guestbook follower who hasn't posted since that hellish morning I learned that Ricky passed on. I sorta got away from the 'book for awhile but got reacquainted in an internet cafe at the Ali Mall in Quezon City while on a Far East vacation but that's another story.

I also just got a copy of Eric Anderson's "Blue River" and listened to it for the first time in twenty years. Band connection (besides Eric) - the "Rag Mamma Rag" chorus to 'Pearl's Goodtime Blues'.

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Pat Brennan

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Bill

As David Powell noted, Harvey was later in the Fabulous Rhinestones with Kal David and Marty Grebb. Richard Bell played on their second LP - and may have been in the group too.

A couple of other noteworthy Harvey Brooks gigs were with Dylan, Robertson, Helm and Kooper in NY and Hollywood, and with the great Electric Flag with Buddy Miles, Mike Bloomfield (and Michael Fonfara - who I mentioned yesterday in a post about Richard Bell).

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JTull Fan

Subject: Country/Bluegrass Pink Floyd + Beatles reunion.

Funny the country/bluegrass Pink Floyd got mentioned the day after I saw a Country/Bluegrass tribute to Pink Floyd CD at the Mall of America. Perhaps this is the source. On reunions, if we have no shame and consider a Band reunion in 2002, why not a Beatles reunion? Ringo + Paul equal 50% of the group, and we can throw both Julian and Sean Lennon in, counting them at 12% each based on genetics, so now we are up to 75%. Throw in Yoko (vocal on Bungalow Bill) and we can push that to 77% of the group. Add Zack Starkey and we can call it 89-1/2%, and Dani Harrison and a McCartney child or two on tambourine, and we can get the genetic count 100, maybe 104%. Add Pete Best and we can call it 110%, and maybe an offspring have forgotten, and we can have 125% or more of the Beatles, today! Silly argument, eh? So why do it with The Band.

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rosalind

Richie_ No! Movies are not usually discussed here, unless it be The Last Waltz or something connected to any member of The Band. This place (if you asked some of the more astute regulars) is considered a kind of "Algonquin Round Table" ( or as I like to refer to it "The Vicious Circle") discussion of The Band and it's members and musical friends, past, present and future. It has "The Band" written on the door. I prefer a more general and open discussion too but ..... Ladies and Gentlemen, It's The Band!

I think if Levon and Robbie would ever tour again they should call themselves Sam and Dave or "The Duellists". Of course they'd have to hire someone extra to keep the fencing equipment shiney and sharp as hell!

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Bayou Sam

Richard = good point, and obvious too, now that you've pointed it out. The Canadian view of the Falls is superb. I went up in that Skylon Tower and you get a spectacular view of both Falls....The N.Y. side is has more of a small town feel. I did stop at the N.Y. Hard Rock Cafe and picked up a very cool t-shirt that has an electric guitar with water falling off the end of it.

The Band cannot exist now any more than the Beatles could. One of the huge things about the Band's greatness is "those three voices". They ain't there anymore. Let's be glad they were there at all and move on.

Have you seen "Creedence Clearwater Revisited" out on tour. No Fogerty of course. Who would pay money to see that? I wouldn't even put on pants and walk to the car to go see that for free.(I am wearing pants now BTW - but still)

I heard a cover of Pink Floyd's "Hey You" by a group called Luther Wright and The Wrongs. It's done in an uptempo, country/blugrass feel. At first it's funny, then you realize that it works. It's really good. The band has a website, and they've done other covers. Has anyone else heard this?

Elvis has been dead for 25 years this weekend. Will he EVER rest in Peace? I heard a radio commercial for a line of Elvis furniture, which includes some signiture items. Dosen't that mean that Elvis personally endorses these items ?......I also saw a TV item that said that in the last year Elvis made 37 million dollars. Not doing him much good is it. What a freakin' shame.

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David Powell

As I recall, Harvey Brooks was a member of the Woodstock-based group The Fabulous Rhinestones in the early '70s. That group also included two former Chicago area musicans, guitarist Kal David (formerly with Illinois Speed Press) and Marty Grebb (formerly with the Buckinghams) on keyboards & horns. Marty Grebb later worked with The Band on "Jubilation".

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Bumbles

Subject: Harvey Brooks

The name Harvey Brooks seems to be attached to all manner of interesting projects. Just last week I listened for the first time to Dianne Brooks’ 1967 Verve recording of “Picture Me Gone”—the sort of urban soul record I’d never associate with Harvey Brooks—and was surprised to see him listed as the producer. (BTW: I didn’t have much luck when I searched the Web for more information on those sessions, but I did find what I take to be an authoritative essay on Ms. Brooks & her oeuvre by one Bill Munson.)

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Bill

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richie the brit

Subject: nice one pat!

ouch! point taken pat my old son. however i still think the enigma that was/is christopher jones is an intriguing topic.movies are an oft discussed subject on this gb are they not? did you ever see wild in the streets. an amazing movie.peace. richie

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Bill

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Richard

Subject: The Jig is Up!

BILL: You're quite right, the song is called "Squid Jiggin' Ground", but the website for the soon to be released Bottle Caps album lists the authors as Hank Snow/Jimmy O'Neal.

Re their interpretation: "Ol' Hank recorded it with just an acoustic guitar, maybe a backup acoustic. The Bottle Caps rendition marries the music of Bach & Bono...(Sonny that is. Not that other guy.)"

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Bones

Thanks to Jan for letting us enjoy all this in here as well.

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G-MAN

Wanna B-movie star!! What??? Check out RRR(Robbie Re-Relase Robertson)in Crossing Guard! How could he hope to come close to the standards he set in Corny,,I mean Carney!!!!

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gazza

Subject: molly girl

"

" molly nice to hear from you again,chicken is good but sundays should be good scotch beef roasted,with yorkshire puddings.if that does,nt get the old heart racing nothing will.one question from one shop keeper to another do you sell chewin bacca?

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Eric

Subject: celebrating THE BAND

The legacy of the band can be seen throughout modern music and gratitude is owed to everyone involved in this magnificent project. Keep celebrating with those who are carrying on the great music. (check out the above website for my neighborhood doing their part.)

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Bumbles

Subject: Vintage Violence

The backing band on John Cale's "Vintage Violence" was Stan Szelest, Ernie Corallo, and Sandy Konikoff from Grinder's Switch with Harvey Brooks added on bass.

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carmen

Subject: Music

Some thoughts on the BAND post LW. I wish Rick would have never stoped after just 1. I wish Robbie and Richard would have made an album with Between Trains as a hint of how it may have sounded. Funny, I don't wish for another BAND work.

Changing directions-The new Bruce release is fantastic. The songs 'Nothing Man' and 'Into The Fire' are masterpieces in my opinion.

RR's 'Carry Me' would also make a great selection for any Sept 11 charity type cd .

Best Regards

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Bill

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Donna

Peter V: Not gutsy enough? Huh? A wanna be movie star? Where is this all coming from? As far as I am concerned, Garth, Robbie, and Levon, are playing the type of music that they enjoy playing. And, if I might add, all three are doing a wonderful job at it!

The music they brought to us, going back with the Hawk days into TLW, and then onto the post LW, was a musical gift they all shared with us fans. I will go on appreciating every one of these gifted Band members, as I hope our future children will do.

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Richard

Subject: Peter Stampfel and the Rounders

BUMBLES: Thanks for remembering my interest in the Holy Modal Rounders (my favorite band - you-know-who is my second fave). Peter Stampfel would be the first to admit that "The Moray Eels Eat the Holy Modal Rounders" is not their finest album by a longshot, but, along with having considerable hysterical/historical value, the re-issue does include an hilarious new essay by Peter recalling the recording of the album.

Some exciting news for Peter Stampfel (ex-Fugs, ex-HM Rounders) fans. Frazier Mohawk ("Moray Eels", "Too Much Fun" producer) has recently approached Peter about recording an "alt.gospel" album. Peter is trying to put this together with the Muscular Christians *and* Luke Faust (ex-Insect Trust) and John Parrott, and additionally, hopes to interest Mohawk in a second album of non- gospel material with the same players. If everything goes smoothly the whole bunch of them should be in Canada recording this fall.

Also, Rounder (Records) is _finally_ releasing the 3rd Peter Stampfel and the Bottle Caps CD, to be called "The Jig is Up" and featuring the cool Hank Snow tune "Squid Jiggin' Time". If you'd like to order available CD's directly from Peter (including his outstanding and impossibly hard to find solo CD, "You Must Remember This"), he'd be happy to autograph them for you. E-mail me for his address at rich.patterson@excite.com

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Pat Brennan

Like Christopher Jones? Though I'm glad you're feeling better.

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SAAB

Subject: Whiners & Crybabies

Levon drives a SAAB because he logs tens of thousands of miles driving from gig to gig. It's less expensive than a tour bus.

BWNWIT,,, are you intelligent enough to discuss anything other than the person who intimidates you more than anyone else in the whole wide world ??? Obviously; you are in need of Psychological assistance to deal with your ego problems. Do us all a favor and save your mindless rants for the shrink.

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bassmanlee

Subject: Blues Opportunity This Weekend

Just a heads up regarding the under-publicized Wilmington Brews & Blues fest this weekend in my neck o' the woods.

Sat: Steve Guyver, Eddie Shaw & Wolf Gang, Billy Boy Arnold, Tinsley Ellis & Buddy Guy.

Sun: Roger Girke & Funky Twisters (good local band), Jimmy Thackery & The Drivers, The Nighthawks with HUBERT SUMLIN, Long Tall Marcia Ball, & Luther "Guitar" Johnson.

If you forego the ten-buck beer tasting deal, tickets are pretty reasonable. Check link, above.

Other good live sets seen recently - Phil Roy (wrote "Hope In A Hopeless World", and others), and a nice set by folkies Anne Hills & Michael Smith last night on the terrace of the Longwood Gardens conservatory. Michael is the author of several great songs including "The Dutchman", "Spoon River", and others. Interestingly both Smith and accordianist John Whelan, who my wife also saw last week, made reference to having written songs that are now treated as 'traditional Irish songs' in Ireland, and hence have all but stopped getting royalties for them.

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richie the brit

Subject: the band reunited!!!

this chatter of the band getting back together is utterly depressing. without the physical presences of rick and richard and the voice of levon the very idea is beyond comprehension and imagination, and an absolute non starter.knock this discusion on the head now, and please talk about something else.

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Peter Viney

Must be 8 or 10 years since I saw Niagara Falls, but I think we all still have foot fungus from the Maid of the Mist. There was a great rundown museum on the Canadian side and they found out recently that the Egyptian mummy there was some really evil character- looked it too. Far too shy and retiring to try the heart-shaped beds and mirrored ceilings but stayed sedately down the road in Niagara-on-the-Lake (good advice generally). But a neutral’s view - the Canadian side is exceptionally touristy, but feels safer and better-policed than the US side. On the US side we found more panhandlers than anywhere except San Francisco, and they were aggressive and followed you around, the police ignored them, and it was spooky being followed right into car parks.

Compatability- of the three surviving original members, I could see Garth and Robbie working compatabily on each other’s stuff. Both have an ear for interesting sounds and layers and unusual patterns. Both of them did the post-work on NLSC and TLW. While Levon could play it for either, I don’t think he’d be interested. Not gutsy enough for him. I suspect in turn they’d find his rootsy R&B style a bit dull, because both of them are seekers of the new. It was the combination of the differences that made the Band so good. But when you get to a certain age, you think, f**k it, I’ll play what I enjoy now, not play on HIS stuff. Which all three are doing. And I hope enjoying.

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Bumbles

Subject: Langford/Mekons + HM Rounders

There are even more Band connections, at least as far as cover versions. The Mekons did “It Makes No Difference” on their “F.U.N. ‘90” release, and Kelly Hogan’s solo debut, produced by Jon Langford, includes a cover of “Whispering Pines.” Best of all is the ghostly, barely audible (and unlisted) fragment of “WP” that closes side one of the Mekons’ classic “The Edge of the World.”

I know that at least Richard from St. Catherines is a huge Holy Modal Rounders/Peter Stampfel fan so I wanted to mention that after some delay the British label Water has reissued “The Moray Eels Eat the Holy Modal Rounders” on disc and vinyl. This is the 1968 release featuring Rounders Stampfel & Weber with an electric band that included playwright/poet/actor/Rolling Thunder diarist Sam Shepard on drums and featured “The Bird Song” (Band Link: appeared on the “Easy Rider” soundtrack), “My Mind Capsized,” “Half a Mind,” and “The STP Song” among other bits of psychedlicized weird Americana.

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John Cass

Subject: Levon

Don't get me wrong... I LOVE THE BAND and always will but I am enjoying seeing the new groups more (grant it I am only 29 so I never saw the original Band) but The Jim Weider Band and the Barnburners play smaller clubs and when you go and see them at the clubs they play, its like your right in the middle of the action of it all... everytime you go to one of their shows you wonder "who will be jamming with them tonight??"... Bobby Keys, David Maxwell, Jimmy Vivino, Albert Lee, Little Sammy Davis, Garth Hudson... and if you have ever had the pleasure of seeing both the Barnburners and JWB on the same bill like in Sackets Harbor it is unbeleivable!!

enough talk about the Band getting back together... go see the Barnburners or the JWBs they are putting on a hell of show... the people that go and see them love their Band memories and always will.. but its 2002 and a new day has arrived for both Levon and the JWBs..

take Levon, Jim, Randy out of the picture for a minute and you still have a great great Band with the rest of the fellas... Chris O Leary is unbelevable on the Harp!!! Musslewhite, Cotton, Butterfeild level!!

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Calvin

Some very curious comments of late. Someone posted that Robbie refusing to play with Garth and Levon is denying Band fans of great new music. First off, Robbie has played with both Garth and Rick in the last decade, Levon is the one who has refused to play with Robbie. But that really isnt the issue, how are denied more great music by them not playing as a trio? Did you buy American Masters? Did you buy Sea of the North? Have you seen the Barnburners? They are recording and producing plenty of great music on their own. Frankly there isnt one good reason to see Garth, Levon and Robbie perform together other than to feel good about Levon and Robbie burying the hatchet as it were. I really dont see the point and honestly can see it turning into a sad sort of nostalgia act which I'd hate. As for the work they do solo Robbie's current stuff probably wouldnt lend itself to well to garth's "noodlings" as he calls them. Of course Im sure RR would go away from the Native American stuff with the boys. And while LEvon is one heck of a drummer I cant see his drumming really sending either Garth or Robbie's songs to another level. And Garth's songs, at least Sea to the North, arent really standard RnR songs. The single exception is Garth would add some interesting flare to the Barnburners. Let it go people. The Band proper, with all 5 members, existed for 16 years. It has been 26 years since they have played together-I think it shows a serious level of disrespect for them as arists to try and force them back into an era that they have long left. Levon, Garth and Robbie all are producing wonderful music on their own right and should be allowed to do so in the future without, well without. However, I did like someone's idea about the Barnburners, RR, Garth, The Cromatix, Jim Weider, and Prof Louie all touring together. Much like a The Other Ones tour it would be quiet a nice evening. Unfortunately it wouldnt work financially. There fan base is pretty much the same people and they arent big enough draws to all be able to cover their costs unless the got some serious corp sponsorship. One last thought, someone said if Garth, Levon and Robbie played totgether again they should call themselve something other than The Band. I more or less agree, if it was a one or two night thing it would be fine to use the name, but as on ongoing unit they really shouldnt. I was always impressed with what the Byrds and Jefferson Airplane did later on when 3 memebers wanted to record together. I have both of the Hillman, McGuinn and Clark Albums, and although I never bought the KBC album (Kantner, Balin and Cassidy) I thought it was a nice idea to just say "Its us, it isnt the Byrds or Airplane, but we still wanted to play together." Okay, end of post.

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Richard

Subject: Jon Langford

PAT BRENNAN: Is that Jon Langford from the Mekons? Congrats, I'm a huge fan. Band Connection? - There is a typically drunken, sloppy, Mekon's-style live cover of the "Shape I'm In" on their fascinating, tour digest, "New York" CD. Just recently picked up the re-issue of "The Mekons Rock n Roll" and it’s great, but "Fear and Whiskey" is still my fave. Be sure and tell us how it goes. That gig should be good for a story or two : )

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Jenny T

We went to the Falls on our way home from the Catskills last summer--it was the first time I had ever seen them and the boys were amazed. They were so excited just to be in a foreign country--their first--so they begged for $10 pens that said Canada on them and we relented. It is a big tourist trap, and before you could say Niagara Falls my husband had signed us up for an exhausting 5 hour tour of the place. I did not like the Falls lit up at night--I am against lighting anything up unnecessarily but it also seemed a little Vegas-y. But in the daytime they are a beautiful sight and powerful sound.

After all this talk of Vegas and gambling in music I had to play Sheryl Crow's Tuesday Night Music Club with the excellent Leaving Las Vegas on it yesterday. And I guess the Band connection would be her Favorite Mistake.

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richie the brit

Subject: thanks rosalind

thanks rosalind. im much improved and hoping to return to work in sept. at the moment im just relaxing and indulging in my 2 fav. pastimes. music and movies. saw agreat one a few days ago. ryan's daughter. not just a superb film, but notable for the fact that one of its stars christopher jones vanished and became a recluse after it came out. the idea of artists shining briefly and then dissapearing through their own choice has long intrigued me.i understand a documentary about christopher jones came out in the us. a couple of years ago. tarantino (who else) was involved in it. has anyone seen it? apparently tarantino tried to coax christopher out of seclusion to star in pulp fiction. that would have been great.i love the way tarantino makes stars again out of long forgotton cult actors. im ramblin now. yime to go. love richie.

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Neil Diamond

The voice of the Band died with first Richard then Rick and finnally with Levon's throat cancer, the Band as we know it is forever silient..I guess as a fan I would hope that Levon and Robbie somehow find a way to bury the hatchet before it's to late..

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richie the brit

Subject: thanks rosalind

thanks rosalind. im much improved and hoping to return to work in sept. at the moment im just relaxing and indulging in my 2 fav. pastimes. music and movies. saw agreat one a few days ago. ryan's daughter. not just a superb film, but notable for the fact that one of its stars christopher jones vanished and became a recluse after it came out. the idea of artists shining briefly and then dissapearing through their own choice has long intrigued me.i understand a documentary about christopher jones came out in the us. a couple of years ago. tarantino (who else) was involved in it. has anyone seen it? apparently tarantino tried to coax christopher out of seclusion to star in pulp fiction. that would have been great.i love the way tarantino makes stars again of long forgotton cult actors. im ramblin now. yime to go. love richie.

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Fred

Sorry, Rick and Garth did 4 (Four) songs. I've always had trouble counting past three!!

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Fred

I downloaded that E Town link and it is really good (although they only play 3 songs BUT I guess 3 is better than none. A little less Pete Seeger, a lot more Rick and Garth would have been better!) You can download & make into mp3s a lot of the concerts they have posted. Good stuff too: Bruces (Hornsby & Cockburn) Lyle Lovett, Barenaked Ladies and a cast of thousands. Well OK not thaousands but you get the picture.

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Pat Brennan

Well, well, well. It's right here on the site, folks. From Rick and Levon's account, Storyville was supposed to be a Band album, but Rick and Levon (Do they drive SAAB's? Are they Control freaks? And Levon was a movie star...) turned the opportnity down. Of course, Garth did show up and played great, and even Rick did a vocal turn. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Backing up Jon Langford in an opening slot for Leon Russell on Saturday at Fitzgeralds in beautiful Berwyn IL. Band connections???

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Fred

Re: Band 2002. No. If the remaining 3 got together to record it would have to be all new material (and what a mix that would be) and they CAN'T use the monnicker The Band..have to think of a new name...and the CD should have guest appearances (doesn't matter who or whom) kind of like TLW, but only new material (written by Robertson,Helm &Hudson). They wouldn't have to tour..could do "live" concerts via the internet...perhaps using THIS website!!

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BWNWITennessee

A 2002 dream lineup I'd like to see would be Robbie, Garth and Levon playing new music as a trio. They could, and would be forced to, do something different and experimental. Think about Robbie's compositional abilities, and some of his new, atmospheric music, combined with Garth's improvisational and textural genius, played over a generic blues shuffle beat. With Garth Hudson, who'd need a bass player? It would be great. I'm sure that two out of the three would probably be willing to go for it, but that that egotistical, vain control freak, Saab-driving wanna be movie star would refuse to join his old brothers, and deny his fans the opportunity to hear some great new music.

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Richard

B SAM: You were curious why all the commercial glitz and tourist traps are on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls. It's because the Canadian side has the cool view.

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Bashful Bill

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Roxie

Excellent idea! The Band could reinvent itself and this time around it could have only one singer. Robbie could sing his own songs with a sexy, airy, mysterious voice. The Band of the future!

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Moxie

Subject: The Band 2002

How about Robbie touring with Garth and Levon as The Band? That's a full three-fifths of the original group and since Robbie wrote all the classic Band tunes why shouldn't he sing them for us?

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JTull Fan

Subject: The Band 2002

Why are we even talking about a 2002 version of The Band? It's neither possible nor going to happen. Leave them their legacy and dignity. Still waiting for an answer as to what bootleg I have concerning Danko, Manuel, and Hudson + Paul Butterfield performing The Shape I'm In plus Blaze of Glory.

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Bayou Sam

Subject: question for Butch

Butch = my sister tells me that a friend of hers was playing in a little bar here on Long Island sometime recently and Levon showed up. I think he played some, and I think he's supossed to know the guy. Sorry - I don't have the guys name, but I'll find out. Any chance that Levon's been on the Island?

I just got back from a weeklong trip that included a trip to the Canadian side of Niagra falls. Advice to people visiting Niagra Falls,Ontario - the place sucks your wallet dry. Go further into Canada after you see the falls..... Now, don't all you Canadians beat me up - I love the place - just watch that particular tourist trap..... The funny thing is that on the American side it's not the same glitzy, flashing lights, type of place. I thought we Americans were the ones that would do that.

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Jack Straw

Subject: SPAMMERS

Very intriguing freeware that REALLY works. Uses Napster-like software that allows a group to essentially "vote" on what is spam and is subsequentely "dumped" before it hits your inbox. MS Outlook only. Give it a try.

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Dave Z

I've wondered recently if Levon hasn't sometime with a grin thought proudly that maybe Jim and Randy do a better "Life Is A Carnival" today... than he did back in the 70's?... I know, Band blasphemy... so take away my Band CDs... and rolling stone me to death... It seems to me that putting the surviving Band members back together in whole or part and calling them the Band... would be more about history in a "time" sense of things... in which case how can they compete?... whereas what the guys are doing today individually is history making... in more of a "place" sense... more inclusive... for community... and great listening... but then again hasn't that what it's been about all along... the music... OK, I drank an Elephant beer...

I think Levon should do... what Tiger did for us in MN... after making history by winning two majors... he sets the stage for history making in MN... thereby jacking up market prices for tickets... and attracting worldwide interest... then he loses number 3... and the market crashes... and all the local fans can better negotiate with scalpers... and see him win number 4... In summary, I say announce Band gigs... then inform that it's just some Band-like music... simple Elephant beer logic... Anybody here? I wish the friggin' Met Life blimp would go away...

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BWNWITennessee

I have to say that I'm really liking the song "Empty Sky" from Springsteen's new album. The best stuff he's done in the last decade has been the slow, atmospheric numbers with a kind of looped beat - Streets of Philadelphia, Secret Garden, 41 Shots, and now Empty Sky. I didn't like the album a whole lot at first, but it's grown on me. Band connection - BWNWITenn likes The Band, BWNWITenn likes Bruce Springsteen.

24 hours till the greatest blues and roots-oriented band that's playing anywhere this day and age - Los Lobos, of course.

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Dexy

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Peter Viney

Agreeing here with Butch, NO BAND VOICES. Going on with “The Imaginary Band” the basic is that they’d have only a “legitimate” repetoire of seven numbers- To Kingdom Come, Out of The Blue, The Genetic Method, The Third Man Theme, Chest Fever (Randy has earned the right to call it his after so many years), Deep Feeling and Many Rivers To Cross (assuming my two of my favourite guitar players were both there). And Prof Louie does a great Don’t Wait. Otherwise, it’d be all tribute band stuff. The voices are stilled.

I wa reading about the Densmore v Manzarek feud today (not that I could give a damn) and while The Doors without the lead vocalist would be an improvement, you couldn’t do it without at least one of The Band’s three. So it will indeed never happen

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Ray G

Subject: The Band... Members

I feel lucky to have seen Levon, Rick, Garth, and Jim Weider all play solo. I'm hoping to see The Crowmatix in the near future too.

The Band is gone but all the various solo projects are great and very accessible. Now that I'm a little older I'd rather go to The Turning Point to see Levon or Jim as apposed to the Garden or Giants Stadium for a mega concert. As a Band fan I'd say right now is a fine chapter musically for all the remaining members

Go out and support em', It will be worth your while!

Peace

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butch

Subject: The Band & Levon

ok, Lets put part of this to bed,,,

as far as Levon is concerned,, he has a band,, The BARNBURNERS,,,,,,,

he gave the best years of his life to The Band & is very proud of what they did,,, BUT THEY DID IT ALREADY !!!!!!!

,,,& with NO BAND VOICES,,, he doesnt feel like they can equal or improve on their "legacy",,,

he enjoys playing with Rando & jimmy weider,,, & loves to help folks like the Last Hombres learn how to build a band,,,,

his projects with Hubert Sumlin & Louisiana Red , Ronnie Earl , Jimmy Vivino are very satisfying as he goes back into his roots of the Delta & Chicago BLUES !!!!!!!!!

THAT is what Levon enjoys,,, so when ya make your wish lists,,,, ya'll gotta leave him off,,,

The Band is in the Hall of Fame & he would just as soon, let it stand,,,

but everyone can do & think whatever they want,,,of course,,,,,

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Peter Viney

I hear what Butch says and it's been obviously true to all in clear -headed moments since 1999 (um, or 1997).

However, for those making purely hypothetical lists of those who could or should be there, one outstanding name is missing. I mean if you're in the realms of pure fantasy (we have a fantasy football league in UK newspapers where you put together an imaginary team of famous footballers) , and you ARE in the realms of pure fantasy, then the guy who actually wrote and often produced the songs would be the ultimate imaginary member. Pretty fair guitar player. And listen to the layers on Fallen Angel and Crazy River for vocal perception and indeed ability.

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Dave the Phone Guy

Subject: stop on by

IIkka,,,,I'll leave the light on.

Harry and Mim,,,,,After listening to Muddy Waters I have to turn off the stereo.It's always pointless and impossible to put anything else on.So, if you're going to be playin' tunes on the box, save Muddy for last.

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David Powell

Lil: I remember going to see the Stones at Auburn University in Alabama back in 1969. We got tickets for $8 each, which we ordered by mail from the University Intrafraternity Council! The opening acts were Terry Reid & Chuck Berry. We had nosebleed seats but the Stones' security guys let us stand at the lip of the stage to watch the concert. That was quite an experience for a group of young & crazy rock 'n roll fans.

I remember going to see The Band here in Atlanta the following year and the tickets were similiarly priced. I can't recall the exact amount but there's a photo of a concert promo poster for that same concert in the liner notes for the "Stage Fright" reissue.

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Diamond Lil

Jenny: Thanks for the positive weather forecast. Please send any spare rain and cool air this way. We've topped off at 98 here today in upstate NY and I am not a happy camper.

Can you believe this? I just read in the NY Daily News that tickets to the Rolling Stones September show at Madison Square Garden in NYC are going for...over $5000!!! Some website is selling them (original price of these tickets was $354.50). I feel so sorry for kids who can't get to hear live music because of ticket prices. I remember seeing the Stones in Philly back in 80 or 81 for $50 a ticket. I saw Elton John, and The Eagles both at Madison Square Garden for about $15. Times have certainly changed.

Have a good day everyone. Stay cool!

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Bones

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Jenny T

Lil: I just remembered a guy at school who used to say "You pays your money and you takes your chances." It really should be a country song. Maybe it is. And we are getting a cold front tonight with some RAIN so it is probably headed your way. I was a little bent out of shape yesterday when the weather announcer said we'd "unfortunately be plagued with rain" tonight and tomorrow. Let me tell you the farmers I work for are looking forward to the plague, as are all my sorry looking plants. SW Ohio could be the Sahara desert and they'd talk about rain like it was a tragedy.

Did anyone watch the show with all the performers from the O Brother soundtrack either live or on PBS? Enjoyed the PBS the other night. Emmylou sang beautifully as did Allison Krauss and Gillian Welch (Welsh?.) I LOVED that movie. Hilarious and beautiful.

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John W.

I was thinking Garth, Levon, Jimmy, Randy, Prof. Louie and Miss Marie, Mike Dunn and the Tom Malone horns could put on a great show and call it The Band. Only problem is, what about all the other Crowmatix and Barnburners and Gurus.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: Bluesmen

Friends:

If anyone has ever heard music as strong, pure, and heartfelt as the music of Chester Arthur Burnett (aka Howlin' Wolf) and/or the music of McKinley Morganfield (aka Muddy Waters), PLEASE LET US KNOW ABOUT IT.

Their musical contributions are PARAMOUNT in 20th Century Music - worldwide. The only other artists able to evoke such emotional responses are Hank Williams & Billie Holiday. We can literally think of NO OTHERS.

Muddy & the Wolf made music that is so real that at some times, in a certain frame of mind, it is IMPOSSIBLE TO LISTEN TO. Too strong, too pure, too heartfelt for the average human being to stand. At MANY MORE TIMES though, luckily, their music is EXTREMELY MOVING and UPLIFTING, as much as any great gospel or classical composition.

We know we're "going off on a rant" here, but this is something we feel very deeply in our souls. Desert island discs - Muddy Waters & Howlin' Wolf MUST BE on the playlists. Much of everything else sounds pedestrian, childish, weak and "watery" beside them, paling in comparison... Imagine our delight when Mr. Helm emerges with The BarnBurners - playing music inspired by these two great men (among others). Try to follow along rhythmically with Muddy Waters' "unique" sense of time and tell us that blues music is "simple." Try to duplicate the incomparable Howlin' Wolfs' vocals & harp and tell us that the blues is "boring."

We will listen to both musicians all our lives and love every minute of it.

Mim & Har

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Mad Caper

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butch

Subject: the band

biffalo bull

in answer to your question,,

IT AINT NEVER GONNA HAPPEN !!

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SteveH

Subject: Jim Weider

See the link above to the NY Times review of the Rockabilly bash, including Jim Weider.

Any DC location folks heading to the Ramshead on Wed?

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Bill

Following up on Biffalo Bull's post, I've been told that Richard Bell has signed on as pianist with Danny Brooks and the Rockin' Revelators. This is the most exciting band playing around Toronto - and their show at the Port Credit Blues Fest last September was easily the most exciting show I've seen this millenium. Richard's arrival means that Michael Fonfara (ex Lou Reed and Rhinoceros) moves over to organ - adding up to a keyboard duo of monumental talent. Newish guitarist is Mitch Lewis, perhaps best known around here as Scott Cushnie's right-hand man in the Canadian Aces and the Rockin' Deltoids. As a huge gospel show (4 singers, 3 horns, two keyboards, guitar, bass and drums) they don't get to work that often - so I'd encourage everyone within range to stumble down to Port Credit on the afternoon of September 8 for this year's festival - see www.southsideshuffle.com for more info.

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David Powell

Following up my earlier post -- In addition to working with Muddy, Levon has also played with Hubert Sumlin, the Wolf's longtime guitarist. Robbie Robertson has cited the influence of Mr. Sumlin, as well as Willie Johnson, an earlier member of Wolf's band, on his evolution as a guitarist. My spelling seems to be off this morning -- I meant to say that Sonny Boy II was a precursor, stylewise, to the Wolf, in that their version of the blues had a rawer edge to it that Muddy's. Today we can hear a mixture of both those styles, and many others, in the great playing of Levon & his blues band.

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BIFFALO BULL

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Bill

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David Powell

Another great musical juxtaposition is Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf. These two great bluesmen took the blues from the delta and energized it through their own unique styles. The competition between the two added extra electricity to the mix. It's interesting that The Band crossed paths with Sonny Boy II, a precusor to the Wolf, and Muddy. Eric Clapton, of course, learned a lot from both the Wolf and Muddy, as well as from the juxtaposed Kings -- B.B., Albert & Freddie.

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Dennis

Subject: RICK'S LAST FM BROADCAST SHOW

Last evening, my spouse 'n I found a licensed, archived copy of Rick's last FM broadcast. It was on NPR's E-Town and was broadcast on November 17, 1999. The link to the show is above.

The show was recorded in front of a full house at Kingston, NY's UPAC Theatre. Many of you were in attendance. If my memory serves me well, the show was recorded about a month earlier.

Garth performs with Rick and does a solo version of The Sea To The North. Opening the show was Natalie Merchant, and Pete Seeger tells an interesting story about the founding days the Hudson River sloop Clearwater.

You need to download the show to listen, and to play the show you need a WINAMP player. Simply go to www.winamp.com and download their latest version. It takes up almost no space on your computer, it's the most up-to-date technology on the internet, and the best thing is that it's absolutely FREE!

Any questions or problems, please feel free to e-mail me at the address I posted last Friday.

BTW, have a Kleenex close. Enjoy, and thank-you Rick.

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Hank

Subject: The Hawk

Here's wishing The Hawk a return to good health........

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Diamond Lil

It seems that RR used gambing references alot when writing songs over the years, as do so many other songwriters. Makes me wonder if gambling is perhaps a metaphor for life. You take chances everyday, even when the odds are against you...and in the end, I guess you do play the hand that's dealt you. Weird.

Neil Diamond: I agree that love has _alot_ to do with gambling. You gamble on someone's honesty and you trust them... and sometimes you lose.. big time. It even happens in friendship. It's sad when you think about it.

Geez... don't want to depress myself here. Y'all have a good day..and if anyone has any cool breezes blowing.. please send some my way. 95 and holding here. Arrghh.

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brown eyed girl

Another quote from Hoskyns book: "Scott Cushnie....managed to persuade Ronnie that Robbie was a proficient bass player, and urged him to bring the kid down to Fayetteville to fill Lefty's shoes. The Hawk wasn't convinced about Robbie's musicianship, but he was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. He knew Dolly Robertson, who sometimes came down to the Le Coq d'Or, and felt a semi-paternal responsibility for her son. Having heard the RUMOURS about Robbie's late father, he figured the boy might be headed the same way if he wasn't pointed in another direction. Nor was he forgetting Robbie's potential as a songwriter."

It is interesting to note that when I checked the article on Robbie in Aboriginal Voices his Dad is not mentioned at all....In any case.....didn't Dylan and others before and after him initiate fabricated stories to create a myth?....I guess only Dolly knows the real story anyway.......

Another OLD MAN in Robbie's stories could also be his paternal great-grandfather as well who came from Palestine and was apparently a scholar.....As I have been told over the years.....There's your truth.....My truth......and THE REAL TRUTH.....

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Peter Viney

Don Juan advised Carlos to "erase all personal history" which is like the Buddhist concept of rebirth within this lifetime by reinventing yourself. Or maybe at a mundane level storytellers are good at embroidering their own biographies. Interesting comments on the "old man" - I still think it was Hawkins, because the song (even if written earlier asRobbie has claimed) has been adjusted to apply to Richard Manuel (all the tears ; all the rage …). To the teenage musicians, Hawkins in his late 20s seemed like the wise old man. And let our very best thoughts be with Ronnie today.

Long time readers know I'm a Lindanista rather than a Richardsonian when it comes to the Thompsons. That said they are reunited on 'Dear Mary' the wonderful track 1 of "Fashionably Late" by Linda, which was fashionably even later in the UK than the USA. James Taylor's October Road is settling in well too (Steve Gadd on drums throughout).

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Neil Diamond

#1 When she tells ya your the only one what are the odds shes telling ya the truth??

#2 Whats the succes rate of marriages in this country? Ive heard a 65% to 75% divorce rate, seems to me Roz that I got a better shance playing black jack in Vegas, thanks Roz you've opened my eyes, maybe I will hit Vegas after all...

Its kind of interesting hearing the different versions of how RR's Dad died, reminds me of how hard it is to get a straight answer out of an older relative in regards to family history, especially when it is something that might not shine a positive light on the family as a whole, I don't know if that's the case here but it make's ya wonder where all the versions come from...

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rosalind

Geez...I didn't know all that stuff! Copied down like it personally written too. Impressive! I just know the old stories Robbie told, I hadn't ever heard the new ones. These one's are better!

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Crabgrass

Subject: Sunday at Lincoln Center Part 2

Jim, Randy, and Lee Rocker came back on under the glare of stage lights at around 9 p.m. backing the legendary Billy Lee Riley ("Flying Saucer Rock and Roll" and "Red Hot") and then played a scorching set with Rocky and Billy Burnette. The show ended with every artist who appeared that day coming on stage and joining in the all-stops-pulled-out finale - "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On." Most of the large late evening crowd was on their feet when the show ended at around 10:30.

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brown eyed girl

"Van counts one, two, three, four and we're back in safer territory, a Band-like good time groove to AND IT STONED ME - the Robbie Robertson style lead break, mathematically perfect, is set against chorded piano, just like the Woodstock backwoodsmen - which segues into THESE DREAMS OF YOU, with wild saxophone."

"One of the great characters on the reservation was Robbie's great-grandfather, a venerable gent with a shock of white hair and a cane which he employed to hook his countless great-grandchildren to his side. The OLD MAN was the first of many storytellers in Robbie's life."

"Robbie never knew his father, who gambled for a living and ran with a fast crowd of mobsters: by the time he was old enough to ask Dolly questions, the man had been gunned down and killed in a shoot-out. The boy was shielded from the truth about him for some years, just as he was shielded from the fact that his uncle Nadie was doing a long stretch inside for one of the biggest diamond heists in Canadian history......Shortly after Klagerman's death, Dolly married the rather more respectable jeweller from whom Robbie takes his present surname."

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BANDFAN

Subject: THE "OLD MAN"

I ALWAYS PICTURED THE OLD MAN AS BEING AN OLD INDIAN. IF I DID THIS RIGHT AND THERE IS A WEB LINK, GO VISIT WITH SOME FRIENDS OF MINE BACK IN MY DEAR DEPARTED TEXAS. GOOD SOLID INTELLIGENT ROCK-N-ROLL. KJB

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Bill

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Harry & Mim

Subject: Casino Concerts

Friends/Fans:

The Trump Taj Mahal Casino & Hotel in Atlantic City, NJ has been the site of more than a few EXCELLENT music concerts.

One in particular that will always stand out in our memories is a Bob Dylan show performed in the months following the release of "Time Out of Mind."

After having experienced more than a few "disappointing" BD shows, this particular one in Atlantic City was a standout performance. Mr. Dylans' singing was on the mark, his backing band superb, and the energy level HIGH. Coming shortly after the release of "Time (etc.)", (a recording that brings back memories of the "mid-60s Dylan"), this show left no attendees sitting, "gave no quarter", and satisfied all.

Another memorable "casino show" (at the same venue) was Jeff Beck/Santana. Excellent "front men" and bands, but not as gripping as the Dylan show. A few attendees were sighted slipping out to "give some money" to Donald Trump during the show... This WAS NOT THE CASE during the aforementioned Bob Dylan concert.

We know it does strike some as odd that you could see your favorite "1960s" legends at a casino, but we say take your music where you can find it, and enjoy it. For instance, Dr. John (aka Mac Rebbenack) will be playing at a small local bar/music venue known as the "Conduit" in Trenton, NJ, in mid-September (part of their First Anniversary celebrations). For forty bucks apiece, Mim & I will attend an intimate show by one of the best musicians we know. (The spot already passed muster earlier this year at a Levon Helm & the BarnBurners musicale - (good to see you again Butch!)). Instead of The Keswick Theatre, we will see & hear "the good Doctor" in this small club ten minutes from home - solo, with a trio backing him up (bass, guitar, drummer), or with a horn AND rhythm section, Dr. John is too good to pass-up.

Enjoying the summer, we remain your friends in supporting GOOD MUSIC,

Mim & Harry

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rosalind

Subject: Tires and Teeth

Bill__ Are you calling Robbie a liar? Don't answer that! (bad joke) Rolling Stone Magazine__ October 1987, The Second Coming issue. Robbie gave us the lowdown on his life, including the Bel Air, Bel Air stiff.. I mean stuff. He also included parts of his childhood memories, that story was a part of them.

Happy Elvis Week Everybody! I am reminded of a story Tom Waits mentioned about he and his son going to Graceland for the first time. They were standing around at one of those Elvis merchandise counters and Waits' little 5 year old son looked up at him and suggested that he and his dad should go out and dig Elvis up and make a necklace out of his teeth. Elvis did have nice teeth.....

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Bill

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Peter Viney

Dichotomies (I word I wrote many times at college without understanding it) - musical taste defined you. The interchange about Elvis fans reminded me of being sixteen. First it was Elvis v Cliff, a vital distinction. Elvis fans did, Cliff fans didn’t. Then it was The Beatles v Gerry & The Pacemakers, a switch to The Rolling Stones versus The Beatles,The Beatles versus Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan versus Donovan, Bob Dylan versus Simon & Garfunkel, Paul Simon versus Art Garfunkel, Jefferson Airplane versus Fairport Convention, Otis Redding versus Wilson Pickett, The Band versus The Byrds, Lou Reed versus David Bowie, Marvin Gaye versus Diana Ross, Howling Wolf versus John Mayall, Neil Young versus Graham Nash, Van Morrison versus Chris Rea.(The hipper-than-thou choice always comes first). Any addition

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JCF

Subject: Garth's show at the Bottom Line

It is a liitle late for this post but I ckecked out Garth's show at the Bottom line on Monday. I missed it back in June, so I made sure I went. The place was mostly empty for the first show ,and you know that one of the original members that is still living would have though he was too good to pay in front of an audience of such as size. Even though he can't probably draw too many people nowadays...

I enjoyed the show but the biggest problem was that, obviouslly, the vocalists that pefromed with Garth are nowehere as good as Levon, Rick, or Richard. Forever Young was actually pretty bad.

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Bones

She has a track on the platinum selling soundtrack for "Shrek", which Robbie was also involved in.

Does anyone know anything about the remastered Rick Danko release?

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rosalind

Subject: Nuts and stuff..

Wig__ Do you know how those Squirrel Nut Zippers got their name? Something about a drunken naked guy in a tree one morning...

Anybody know the difference between the words "Naked and "Neked"? Well, Naked means you ain't got no clothes on and Neked means you ain't got no clothes on and your up to something!

Phil__ Yes, Robbie's father was a gambler, but he got hit by a car and was killed while changing a tire on a crowded highway when Robbie was an infant. I always thought that line came from The Hawk tho. Just sounded like something he'd say.

Jenny T. Addicted to Dancing huh? You'll have a much happier life that way!

Neil__ Tell me son, what does love have to do with gambling? Don't answer that!

Speakin' of gambling, Does anyone know how the Hawk is? No news is good news I hope.

Richie__ Hope you got well over that life-threatening sickness you had a few monhs ago. I've had a couple of them myself..and they ain't nice..

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bob wigo

Jon,

Thanks for the information. The more I hear of them the more I like them.

Our local cable station ran an hour long show last week and I was fascinated. Great drummer by the way.

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John W.

Nice little set by Jim Weider and Randy Ciarlante yesterday at the Damrosch Bandshell near Lincoln Center! It was "Rockabilly Day" and the theme of the day seemed to be Elvis. Lots of girls and guys walking around in retro "Grease"-type outfits. Jim and Randy took the stage with Lee Rocker from the Stray Cats, who had a huge, stand-up bass. They played "There's Good Rockin' Tonight", "My Baby Left Me", and the Stray Cat's "Rock This Town", then were joined by Narvel Felts, who was quite impressive with his guitar as well, doing old rockabilly and country songs. Narvel told some great stories about the early days at Sun Records, and tore it up with Jimmy on "Great Balls of Fire". Later he stayed and spoke with every person who wanted to meet him (and there were quite a few). Not your usual Gurus show but very nice indeed. I stayed for sets by legends Wanda Jackson, Jack Scott, and The Persuasions (great vocal harmony tribute to The King), overall a very nice free show!

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Bill

Crabgrass: Ian and Sylvia were indeed managed by Albert Grossman for years and years and years - pretty much their entire recording career. They recorded an LP for Grossman's own label (using ex-Revol Ken Kalmusky as bassist). They did one of the very first recordings of "Wheel's On Fire".

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Susan

Why don't you just talk about him on the GB? At least four of us are interested, and everyone else can learn something. I remember seeing his work in Woodstock Handmade Houses, and I still own a copy of the book somewhere on my back bookshelves. I think Scrimshaw Press produced a lot of books on the hippy arts- handmade houses and fanciful clothing. Band connection - they must have seen some of this stuff.

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GRAHAM BARRETT

Subject: CROSSING THE GREAT DIVIDE (SCORPIO) WANTED

ADDRESS. 92 Southern Court,Hill Street,Stoke-On-Trent,Staffs,ST4 1NE.ENGLAND. TRADE ??? MANY "RARE" ITEMS WRITE ME.

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GRAHAM BARRETT

Subject: CROSSING THE GREAT DIVIDE (SCORPIO) WANTED

ADDRESS. 92 Southern Court,Hill Street,Stoke-On-Trent,Staffs,ST4 1NE.ENGLAND. TRADE ??? MANY "RARE" ITEMS WRITE ME.

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GRAHAM BARRETT

Subject: CD-Rs FOR TRADE

Address. 92 Southern Court, Hill Street,Stoke-On-Trent, Staffs,ST4 1NE. ENGLAND. CD-R Trades Wanted...I Have Many Items By The Band Dylan ....trade ??? Wanted Current Dylan Tour Of Canada CD-Rs ( I Have European 2002 Tour..Complete To Trade) SORRY NO E-MAIL..WRITE ME.

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Neil Diamond

Ive been going to the Hawks web site latley, what a charcter, reading his quotes and storys of the ole days, love what he tells a young Levon Helm, Son stick with me and you'll be farting through silk.. hell who knows if its true, but some good stuff none the less...

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Caledonia

I'm not sure if you've received any responses yet, but I wanted to let you know that it's great to hear that The Band's music has reached a new generation. I'd love to know how you discovered The Band, what attracted you to them, your favorite Band CD's and songs etc. Have you seen The Last Waltz? If so, what did you think? I look forward to reading your future GB messages!

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DZ Again

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Dave Z

HI and Amanda... bore me too re: Clarence S... he's that artist right?... I'd love to hear more... I'm at dlzuckATzucks.com...

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Phil

Wasn't Robbie's father a gambler? I can't remember if it was his biological or step father. I always thought that's who he was referring to as the old man.

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Neil Diamond

Ive seen the Skynard VH1 before, what a wild bunch these boys were, saw them recently on a rerun of Austin city limits, after the show one of the orginal members Rossington says that we have mellowed over the years,hell if we hadn't we'd all be dead, love where they got there name, Lynard Skynard was the name of a gym teacher in highschool that they all hated...

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Jenny T

Rosalind: I think I am not a gambler. The two times I have been in Vegas I assumed I would lose and then when I got $20 on $2 of nickels for lack of anything better to do I just cashed out and said good I'm ahead and went dancing. I have a totally non-addictive, non-thrill-seeking personality I think. Let the thrills find me I say.

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Jenny T

I am pretty sure that's an old expression about playing the hand you're dealt. But there's that other expression about "if I play my cards right."

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Peter Viney

… can be frightening in their obsessions as well as nuts, but on the whole are more interesting people than British Cliff Richard fans.

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