The Band Guestbook, February 2001

Posted on Wed Feb 28 23:51:57 CET 2001 from dialin-121.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.152)

Gene

I would imagine it takes a quite while to cook a minute steak on an iron, when the electricity has been shut off.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 22:44:36 CET 2001 from spider-tl042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.192)

bob wigo

I have had one instance of contact with Robbie Robertson. Many years back I wrote him concerning some personal issues and discussed, among other things, the impact of his talents on my little space in this world.His written response was compassionate, kind and sincere.I have always been grateful for that.

We know he is a gifted song writer and guitarist.For most of us it is all we really know.I enjoy the fruits of his labor on what has become a daily basis. His music has enriched my life.The perceptions cited here are only perceptions and the disagreement among Band members is their family's business.It is unfortunate that these issues are permitted to eclipse the music we so admire.

I am a fan of The Band. Nothing more and nothing less.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 22:42:52 CET 2001 from (130.219.229.173)

BK

I coincidentally also watched the Classic Albums video this weekend with a freind who'd never seen it before. We both noticed (independantly) that what may seem like pompousness coming from RR should actually be attributed to editing.

Now I'm not a Robertsonian or a Levonista ,I'm a Bandite (bandit?), and generally prone to naivety (sp?), so I give the benefit of the doubt to the interviewee.

For instance Levon says he thought Rag Mama Rag would be a top 10 single, they immediately cut to RR saying "I don't think it was a top ten single...." But we don't know what the question posed to Robbie was. He may or may not have known that Levon had made that comment. They may have just come out and asked him "Do you think RMR was a top 10 single?" then put his answer in a spot that would appeal to feud fans. Or maybe it wasn't that malicious, but I noticed a few edits that went along those lines.

Anyway, just my 2 cents, sorry about the rambling... Hope everyone's having a great day. - Bill K

Posted on Wed Feb 28 21:51:20 CET 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

pehr

I'm grateful for Robbie's insights on the classic albums video. I think the real pomposity and pretensions exist in the judgemental people that have alot of time on thier hands to judge people they dont know over things they didn't see and never will know about. they couldn't walk a mile in his moccasins if they wanted to- (which they do, believe me. )

"Its small town talk, you know how people are, they cant stand to see someone doing what they want to"

who are we to judge one another?

an interesting tv show recently had Gary Zukav , (author, The Dancing Wu-Li Masters) on to talk about how judging comes from insecurity and how it creates bad Karma with it's negativity and self importance being used to ridicule others.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 21:48:56 CET 2001 from (206.187.219.40)

L.

Long Distance Operator: Could you you possibly be misnterpreting pomposity for extreme intelligence and frustration in Robbie having been so increidbly overlooked by so many in the natural extraordinary talent department for so long. Before one accuses, one must look at themselves. I have known people in Robbie's league and they have given this explanation repeatedly. Almost like their "music" to some was falling upon some deaf ears because there are those so intimidated by true above-average intelligence and talent, so lacking today and THAT IS THE IRRITANT... and want to put it down. They look for anything to fault because they don't have it and they didn't get it...Not the attitude. Robbie and people like him exude, a natural confidence and some people wish they had what he did. Rare today... I wish more people were like what Robbie Robertson stands for these days...The world would be a much better and intelligent place, I'll tell you that. And people, I bet, would even smile. I am also a fan of Levon and Garth's no doubt. Best, L.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 21:33:42 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

So what ya all sayin about Robbie is...if he shit his pants in a crowd-he'd try and pass the faux pax off on somebody else??? I tried to uphold my NYR'S resolution but he's so unbalanche!! Feel sorry for the dude!!!!

Posted on Wed Feb 28 20:44:08 CET 2001 from spider-tk043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.193)

bob wigo

I wonder who is doing the soundtrack?

Posted on Wed Feb 28 20:42:45 CET 2001 from (207.190.196.114)

Long Distance Operator

I showed a friend of mine the "Classic Albums" video this weekend, and one of her offhand comments speaks volumes as to why Robbie does not engender the sympathies of many GB'ers. After watching various interview segments, she mentioned that Robbie was "so much more pretentious" than the rest of the Band. She's right, obviously, and I think that is why he is the object of scorn among many around here. Levon and Rick were so warm and real, but Robbie's often pompous commentary rubs many people the wrong way.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 20:35:40 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

On the 7 1/2 floor of an otherwise nondescript office building in Manhattan you can find a portal into the mind of Robbie Robertson. Be careful though; this is a risky proposition. After an all too brief experience into what it's like from inside his head, you'll find yourself violently ejected into a ditch beside the Garden State Parkway. This venture is under the direction of Spike Jonz, not Martin Scorsese.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 20:07:56 CET 2001 from user-33qt8vs.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.252)

Pat Brennan

As usual, it's thrilling to find out what was really going on in Robbie Robertson's head. Thanks to all who, unlike me, were privy to such seemingly private moments.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 19:56:06 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

For what it's worth: Robbie continued working with the rest of the Band after The Last Waltz. He worked with Richard on King of Comedy and Tom Petty projects, and with Rick and Garth on solo projects. He worked with Levon on his RCO album, and asked Levon to return the favor, but by then Levon's feelings toward him had changed. I only mention this because everyone made it sound like Robbie was the one who completely severed ties with the other members.

By the way, Levon is scheduled to appear at this year's Rainforest Alliance benefit show with Jackson Browne, Dr. John, Keb Mo and others. It is set for March 6th at New York's Beacon Theatre

Posted on Wed Feb 28 19:54:48 CET 2001 from (206.187.219.40)

L.

Reading some of RR lyrics and felt inspired: Here are some of mine: Sometimes the lonesome, deadened highway Leads to the doorstep of the one you need the most And before you knock on the door of "wrongful fear" You ask why and realize you carry The shadow of another lover's ghost... In your surprise a bright smile Rises to greet you... And the LURE OF SWEET GOODNESS immediately invites you in And the intangible sunshine that you thought Had eluded you Can no longer be found after this In gin, whiskey and wasteful sin Oh to begin again... The QUEST for Youth never rallies through What you can no longer acquire It's an old fool who embarrasses themselves Seeking that MEANS to a bitter end And the sadness in of a fading desire For an HONEST smile doesn't need To ride threatened shot-gun TO WIN... Real love isn't a game Real love doesn't procreate with shame Real love NEVER inflames... Real love WEARS THE HOLY WORD "GOD" IN IT's NAME..... Thanks Beau!

Posted on Wed Feb 28 19:52:59 CET 2001 from spider-te011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.176)

Dave Z

Cool story Miwa... Did the bandleader have to audition first?... I once took my Mom & Dad to... I think it was an Arlo & Pete... and maybe Holly Near (sp?) concert... and you know how obnoxious people stand up and shout "Freebird!!!"... or "Play The Weight!"... well my Dad stood up at one point and yelled out "Opus #7!!!"... or maybe it was #2?... I don't know and never figured out what the song was myself... Any clues out there?... anyway, you can't take parents anyway... and it gets worse once they retire... After watching that Ken Burns PBS Jazz thing... I had to go out and get that Ellington Newport CD... and was delighted to hear a version of the National Anthem/Star Spangled Banner... and I thought, I wonder if Garth ever played it for a sports game?... Maybe the Yankees should look in their own backyard, huh?... Or maybe he's done Canadian instead for a hockey game?...

Just passing through on my way to get another log for the fire...

Posted on Wed Feb 28 19:34:34 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Good news for fans of Muddy Waters. MCA/Chess has just reissued the album "Muddy Waters at Newport 1960". In addition to the originally released live tracks recorded at the Newport Jazz Festival on July 3, 1960, this remastered CD also includes four mono studio tracks recorded in June 1960 at Chess Studios in Chicago. Muddy's band at that time included James Cotton on harmonica, Otis Spann on piano, Francis Clay on drums, Andrew Stephenson on bass and Pat Hare on guitar. With this new reissue you can compare the live performances with that of the studio sound of Muddy and this great band from four decades ago. And the icing on the cake is that this is a budget-priced release.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 19:27:13 CET 2001 from (206.187.219.40)

Lauren

Congratulations Robbie Robertson on your incredible accomplishments, in particular seeing the first Native American Grammy Award being presented the other night...It was hard to see it all through incredible "SNOW", as for "coincidentally" for the first time my television couldn't receive CBS upon my return from "working" at the library trying to look up info on that special night .... However, I wouldn't miss that award presentation for anything, because I know that it was LANDMARK and something for all of us GOOD SOULS to be proud of...So through immense hassle and frustration, I prevailed, and re-set something or other and through the "fuzz", saw your wonderful presentation! Something to be quite proud of! GOD BLESS YOU, Michael Greene and all beautiful people there! Also, please, a belated Happy Birthday to one of my all-time INTELLIGENT, THOUGHTFUL HEROES: George Harrison! Hi Diamond Lil.... And GOD BLESS you Mr. Ed. ...I'll have to find someone new to duet with!!! LDO: "Grazin" In The Grass IS a gas, can YOU dig it????? Best to All.... Lauren

Posted on Wed Feb 28 18:48:52 CET 2001 from zorg189.revealed.net (208.243.237.189)

Mike

Bob, I rememebr that episode. I also hold great fondness for the time Mr. Ed drove a truck around the city and managed to get pulled over by a cop for speeding. There's another Rchard/Mr. Ed connection. They both drove fast :) Is "Jethro" (the horse in King Harvest) related to Mr. Ed?! A cousin or uncle perhaps?! Can anyone tell me if the next four remasters are to be reissued for their scheduled date or have been pushed back. I think now their ought to be a box set of live material issued. First, the entire TRUE Watkins Glen concert. Folks, it exists! Woodstock 1969, St. Louis 1970, More ROA outtakes, Washington DC 1976, Last Waltz outtakes?!!! Hey, it's just a thought! Maybe, their could be some live material from 1983-1985 issued too. Maybe if I had more Band bootlegs I could suppress my appetite. Can anyone help me? I'm willing pay if necessary. I have two Band bootlegs thus far. CD-R's please! Oh, long live Mr. Ed! Peace.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 18:39:05 CET 2001 from 1cust52.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.52)

Crabgrass

It is kind of odd how Robbie always claims he needed to get away from the rest of The Band members because of their drug use and then wound up living with Scorcese and snorting mass quantities of coke.

I'm sure someone in here will be able to explain it though.

I don't really think The Band were any "better" than the Doors - it's really an apples vs. oranges thing. Each band was great at what they did - and pretty original too.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 17:16:29 CET 2001 from spider-tl034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.189)

bob wigo

My favorite "Mr. Ed moment" was seeing him slide into home plate during an L.A. Dodgers' spring training game. Now that, my friends, is entertainment !!!

By the way, I always felt that Wilbur's wife Carol was quite a looker.

Hey, the thread was established a long time before I came along.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 17:15:06 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tc014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.154)

Luke

Well Hank, I've' gotta agree with Mike from L.I. Levon and Garth are still friends. They did a benefit for Rick after his bust, and they all tried to look after Richard as best they could. The only one who split was Robbie, who was more concerned with being Scorcese's coke buddy, than he was for his family or The Band.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 16:31:30 CET 2001 from (207.190.196.114)

Long Distance Operator

Hank: Wow, man, very heavy. Some serious food for thought. Thanks once again for provoking the musical imagination. The irony you introduced hadn't occurred to me. Bless the Doors, and more power to 'em. Peace- LDO

Posted on Wed Feb 28 15:30:15 CET 2001 from (137.187.146.245)

Mr. Ed

The "house" that Richard lived in was converted from my stable which was on the grounds of Shangri-La. Its still there.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 15:29:16 CET 2001 from c5300-1-ip69.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.224.69)

miwa

Welcome Home Lil !

This is not Band related, but I thought some of you might get a laugh from reading this letter from a bride's father to the bandleader who's going to play at his daughter's wedding:

Dear Bandleader,

We look forward to your performance at our daughter's wedding. If you don't mind, we would like to request a few of our favorite songs. If you could play these at some point during the reception, we'd be grateful:

Any Keith Jarrett compositions from his solo series. Please have it for the full ensemble and none of the 4/4 songs please.

Mahavishnu Orchestra, "Dance of The Maya," and please have the guitarist play John McLaughlin's solo from the live performance Nov. 16, 1972 at Chrysler Arena. My wife and I were at that show and we particulary like it. If you find it too difficult, you can leave out the feedback.

Any of John Coltraine's duets with Pharaoh Sanders. I understand that their use of atonality is not everone's cup of tea, but all our guests love high register tenor saxes.

We thought a little Stravinshy right after the toast would be nice. We particularly like the "Infernal Dance..." or whatever it is called, from "The Rite of Spring," (second version of 1932). If you want to use the sheet music it's OK. We like a tempo of about 1/4 note=93 (Ozawa).

Then for the "life candle" lighting ceremony, please play Frank Zappa's "The Grand Wazoo." If you want to play it in the original key of Bb, that would be fine, but my cousin Janeene would like to sing the baritone sax solo. You may have to play that part in another key.....she has kind of a high voice.

When my daughter throws the garter, could you play just a little of Varese's "Ionization?" It's such a cool piece, we think it would go over real well. Much better than "The Stripper."

And for the Bride & Groom's first dance, please slow things down a bit by doing Barber's "Adagio For Strings." It's so much better than "We've Only Just Begun" or the "Anniversary Waltz."

Thanks very much for all your help. We'll certainly be happy to recommend your band to all our friends. By the way, the gig pays $350 for the group, and before you leave, please feel free to ask the caterer for a sandwich and a soda to take with you.

Andrew L. Gelt, Phd

Posted on Wed Feb 28 14:57:31 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.163)

Mike

Hmmm, Hank...I have to agree with the other Mike from LI. MOST of the Band did stick together over the years. It's that fifth one who cringed at the thought of lowering himself by playing bars or clubs like the Lonestar. After all, what could he learn by doing that? One important thing at least, that it's the music and the giving of that music to the fans that really counts. I expect that means more to most of us than seat polishing in Hollywood, however successful that endeavor might be in terms of money and industry recognition.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 14:41:01 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Mike, I agree(was around for those times, too). Only thing was what followed was new!!! That new-then-hasn't left, it's still around. There is a whole lot of talent out there!! Levon, Bobby Keys, the whole BB crew; Jim Weider, Malc, Rando, Jeremy--ALL super; NMISS ALLSTARS,WOW, plus many I don't follow closely, both old and new. So some lames put this crap out(cause it sells)and the true players get short changed!!!!

Posted on Wed Feb 28 12:55:50 CET 2001 from 209-23-55-60.ip.termserv.net (209.23.55.60)

Diamond Lil

Oh to be home again....

Reading some of the posts here this morning, it occurs to me that where else but The Band guestbook could a person read about Johnny Rivers _and_ Mr. Ed! :-)

Mike from LI: I think Mr. Ed's 'house' was Shangri-la, no? My memory just ain't what it used to be..

Have a good day everyone. Klem Jan :-)

Posted on Wed Feb 28 12:20:22 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tb023.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.28)

Mike

Hank, as to your question, 4 of the 5 members of The Band looked after each other. And those 4 worked together until death and cancer ended the group. As for the 5th one..........

Posted on Wed Feb 28 12:14:33 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tb023.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.28)

Mike

The Band/Mr. Ed connection was that Richard was living in his old home around the time of TLW. The power was cut and he was grilling minute steaks on an iron.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 11:03:02 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ta022.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.27)

Joe

Oh Wilbur-rr-rr-rr-!!!!!

Posted on Wed Feb 28 10:54:27 CET 2001 from dialup-307.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.51)

Hank

Mr. Ed is DEAD???......OMIGOSH!!!!.......I seem to recall a Band-Mr Ed connection somehow...

I see The Doors are getting back together with Kurt Weiland of The Stone Temple Pilots and Ian Astbury of The Cult taking Jim Morrisons place .....and Jim Carroll writing lyrics for the new album they're all gonna do (Yes, I read Mojo)

......Hmmmmmnn.....Very Interesting...It may well be a loada garbage.....but on the other hand, it might be more interesting than some of the rubbish that's being flung at us daily by the modern music industry.....either way, fellow GBers, the whole thing behooves me to put the following out on the floor for discussion:

You know the way The Band got publicity in 1968 for being anti-Doors (so to speak) and how they loved their families and did'nt wanna kill their fathers and violate their mothers'n'all that? Yeah, you do.......that's why they had their moms and dads and girlfriends and wives on the inside sleeve of Big Pink......well, now, ain't it funny/sad how the surviving Doors in 2001 get on with each other and love each other enuff musically and personally that they can do this sorta thing and offer the world something as opposed to The Band, who literally can't STAND each other and won't "repeat" themselves and all that and can't even get it together to make a DVD of their most well-known acheivement/showcase.... ie TLW?.......

......now don't get me wrong, folks.....I will always think that The Band are better than The Doors (even tho' I DO think The Doors are/were a great band).....it's just that, for all the togetherness of The Band at the outset of their career....... it's all seems so sad and tragic now.......sorry, folks, don't mean to bum y'all out.......and please, DON'T write posts saying The surviving Doors are doing it for the bread......them boys made their money LONG ago and had their business shit together AND, more importantly, they looked after each other.......Can the same be said of The Band?

Posted on Wed Feb 28 10:02:19 CET 2001 from spider-wa061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.46)

Joe

A moment of silence for Mr. Ed "the talking horse", who died 22 years ago today. He never could get his singing career off the ground.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 06:19:37 CET 2001 from spider-wj012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.22)

Mike

I didn't catch that the younger Shaver had died. But the point of kids, nephews, nieces, etc. picking up the mantle remains the same. Even the surviving Beatles have each done projects with their sons (Paul's son played on "Flaming Pie", George's son on "My Sweet Lord 2000" and Ringo's son was in many of the All-Starr bands). As rock & roll hits middle age, it was inevidable. I'm looking forward to seeing when the first parent and child are each in the R&R HOF.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 06:06:26 CET 2001 from spider-ti052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.197)

Bayou Sam

There was alot of talk in here sometime back about a new Ronnie Hawkins album being recorded with appearances by the Band guys. I was wondering if it was out yet and if anyone has heard it?

Hank = I've never heard of Macca singing a little "Weight" on the Frost show. I'll have to check my boots to see if maybe it's on there.

Speaking of Paul - I just read something that described Wings as "soft rock". Man, whoever wrote that forgot about tunes like Juniors Farm, Helen Wheels, Hi Hi Hi, and Soily - to name a few.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 05:36:02 CET 2001 from spider-tk032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.187)

Long Distance Operator

I'm a thief, and I dig it!

Posted on Wed Feb 28 05:26:58 CET 2001 from host-209-214-116-192.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.116.192)

BWNWITennessee

Did anyone else watch the special on PBS about youth marketing? That was kind of frightening. So MTV's showing people on Spring Break bumping and grinding in whipped cream bikinis. Come on, just show porno, that's what you're leading up to anyway. The show featured Robbie's old buddy Jimmy Iovine pretty prominently, too, for bringing us all Limp Bizkit. I did think that using Insane Clown Posse as an example of kids rebelling against MTV-style marketing was a bit silly, though. It's amazing how much power there is in all this marketing machinery, though. I mean, these people could have teenagers listening to Mozart and reading Tolstoy if they decided to push that, that's what's kind of sad. Maybe some of these Michigan militia people should set their sites on the entertainment conglomerates, it seems like they can do a lot more damage to society than any government ever could. I just hope that maybe pop culture is going to become so commercialized and exclusive that more people that might have previously been interested in it will now turn to legitimate forms of artistic expression. And hopefully they'll actually stick with it, unlike the whole Nirvana/grunge thing.

Boy, 'm I getting old.

If anyone's in the Crescent City tonight, remember to suck a head and sqeeze a tail for me.

Posted on Wed Feb 28 01:48:34 CET 2001 from pool-63.49.29.77.mmph.grid.net (63.49.29.77)

Dexy

Bob R (and anyone else interested): The recent Harrison webchats (there have been 2), along with all kinds of other Beatle news, updated daily, can be found here: http://www.best.com/~abbeyrd/fabnews.htm Which reminds me: JRR, if you're reading, it's time for George to join The Band, The Beatles, John Lennon, Paul McC, Dylan, Clapton and many others in the Rock Hall!

Posted on Wed Feb 28 00:53:04 CET 2001 from 1cust75.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.75)

HI

BOB, YOU HAVE TO GO BY SONG TITLE only and leave Artist blank. Presently Roosevelt Stadium can be found if you try "Life is a Carnival" Good Luck. HI

Posted on Tue Feb 27 22:29:42 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Anyone else remember the excellent album that Johnny Rivers released around 1968 entitled "Realization"? It included covers of Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade of Pale" and Dylan's "Positively 4th Street". Of course, the album's big hit single was "Summer Rain", written by James Hendricks.

Posted on Tue Feb 27 22:23:52 CET 2001 from spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.202)

Bashful Bill

Mike from Long Island: sorry to break it to you, but the younger Shaver(uncertain of his first name)passed away very recently, within the last month or so, of a drug overdose. they put out a fine album about 4 years ago, which I only listened to a couple of times, I borrowed it from the library. I recall in the liner notes Billy Joe telling a story about seeing Hank Williams(not Weidel)when he was just a toddler. I think one of the songs was based on that story? They have an album in the can & slated for release.And...hope to see some of you folks at the Guru's show on Sat. how about you Mike, LI isn't too far from the Turning point, is it?

Posted on Tue Feb 27 21:06:31 CET 2001 from spider-tk062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.202)

bob wigo

Has anyone here had much success with Band bootlegs from Napster? If so, I would be grateful for some help in finding them. Thank you.

Posted on Tue Feb 27 20:43:53 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

ICE Magazine has a nice article about the reissue of the Band's "legendary" Rock Of Ages album. Unfortunately, it has been bumped to a May release date. I'm fascinated that Dylan let his four songs be included. Did Robbie talk him into it? Or does Capitol have the rights to them? Rolling Stone at the time said that the tape machines were cut off when Dylan came on stage. Another rock and roll myth wiped out.

Thanks to Charlie Young for answering my post.

Posted on Tue Feb 27 20:31:35 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tc043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.168)

Mike

Bashful Bill, when I read about the Marshall Tucker Band being down to one original member, I can understand it. I know both of the Caldwell brothers have died, and not sure about any others. Alot of bands of older guys bring their family members into the fold. I know Ronnie Hawkins has had some of his kids in the band, Carl Perkins played for years with his sons and Billy Joe Shaver's son is in his group. Additionally, Derek Trucks is Butch Truck's nephew. And that's not even mentioning Miss Amy Helm.....

Posted on Tue Feb 27 20:24:48 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tc043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.168)

Mike

G-Man, lame musical times like these are what spawn great music movements. The Fabian, (post-Dylan)Bobby Vee teen idol era brought out the British Invasion. The bloated '70s Styx/Journey era spawned the punk movement. Keep on jammin' Brittney and 'N Sync, there's something great over the next hill!

Posted on Tue Feb 27 20:15:36 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ta044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.39)

Bashful Bill

Someone mentioned Johhny Rivers & Leon Russell as 2 oldtimers who are not only putting on good shows but are also putting out good albums. I saw Johhny Rivers about 6 weeks ago, his voice has hardly changed a bit since the old days, and he played several tunes from his last album as well as a couple from a soon to be released album. Played all those great love songs too, of course. My only quibble was he had no girl backup singers in his band. Some of those oldies need to sound the way they were originally produced. I saw Leon play at a blues festival a couple years ago, another one whose voice and playing chops have held up, though he didn't appear too healthy. On the other end of the spectrum-I recently took my teenagers to see Marshall tucker Band. They played in the same room where I saw Johnny Rivers. I loved them in the old days, and rediscovered them a few years ago when they released a blues album and shortly after that a gospel album. Both are fine releases, but the show was pretty sad. Down to one original member, the singer Doug Gray is losing his voice and isn't even in denial about it.I guess that's kind of an honorable thing. He had his 22 yearold nephew(who is a keyboard whiz)sing several of the old hits and was real clear that he is the future of the MTB. But when a band is playing without a single original, or even any early members in the lineup, doesn't it cross over into tribute band territory? My kids enjoyed it, as did most of the hard-partying rebel flag waving audience, but I found myself enjoying the enjoyment of others more than the show itself. I'll take some of those hardworking oldsters who, like Rivers & Leon and many many others, are still creating viable stuff as well as putting on good shows. And...to the person who is kindly coaching me in the art of making paragraphs in Jan's excellent GB(u know who you are)-I promise to try next time.

Posted on Tue Feb 27 19:32:50 CET 2001 from user-33qt8d9.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.169)

Pat Brennan

Hank, it sounds like the book you were looking at was mixing its historical metaphors, so to speak. First, Duane played slide on Aretha's version of The Weight, but I don't think Richard contributed to that session. Second, Dylan and the Band played the Forum in 74; I don't believe he played there in 75, which makes me think the writer was performing the same sort of compression he/she practiced earlier. And, of course, welcome home.

Posted on Tue Feb 27 19:12:51 CET 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

The Pits that is the Music Industry. And it IS an Industry as represented by the Grammy’s and Billboard/Soundscan and MTV/VH-1, and formatted radio run by consultants, and Tower Records, and…geez, don’t get me started! (Oops, too late!)

Back in the University days, I spent more time in the radio station than in class. Radio DJ! Yah, that’s the life! Backstage at concerts! Turning people on to great music! Hip-ness to spare! I even got a part-time job doing overnight shifts on a regional “Album Rock” station. Maybe it was my brainless boss with the giant gold STYX belt buckle who based every programming decision on what the Consultants told him that made me decide that I just wasn’t enough of a brainless A**-hole to be in The Music Business. Chucked that dream, and decided to make music on a local level for fun. Still at it.

So here we are in the New Millennium and the Music Industry is more fragmented and pigeon-holed than ever. Radio is so tightly formatted and demographically researched to death. Event the quasi-public stations like Philly’s WXPN and New York’s WFUV wear their Triple-A playlists on their sleeves and push their alternative “hits”.

The Big Boys (see above) decide that the only money to be made is selling pre-fabricated teenage flavors of the week to kids in the mall at $19.98 a disc. Phase out cassettes? Sure, why not? CD’s now cost less to press, and they require smaller royalty payments. (And they still charge the artist a percentage for "returns", even though they don’t accept them.)

Every whiff of a fresh sound is jumped on, hyped, oversold, and burn out. Buying into the Teeny-Top-20 mentality, the young (and others) see nothing wrong with collecting all of the latest Singles by downloading from Napster for free. Those looking for the obscure and unusual browse the Web instead of the local record shop. Independent record stores drop like flies in a cold snap.

But wait… the same forces that seem to be destroying the Music Industry (as we know it) don’t have to destroy MUSIC. As this site bears witness, there are lots of people who still know and love great music, new and old. The digital technologies that allow “rip and burn” also put more affordable studio and distribution power in the hands of working musicians and artists. Self-publishing, distribution and publicity via the Web are all possible. Independent labels proliferate as quickly as the conglomerates gobble each other up in mega-mergers. If you don’t think there is a wealth of non-commercial thinking music being made out there, pick up a copy of folk music magazine Sing Out! (www.singout.org) and read the amazing number of reviews and releases listed.

What can we do? Keep the dialog in places like here going, thereby reminding people like Capitol and Ryko there is a long-term interest in quality music. Recommend artists to each other. Find local struggling bands and artists and support them by attending their shows and buying their tapes and CDs.

As REM said, “It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine!”

P.S.: Songs about music industry…FZ’s “Lonesome Cowboy Burt”?

Posted on Tue Feb 27 18:17:20 CET 2001 from dialup-124.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.124)

Hank

Ah........back home again!!!!!!

Paragraphs!!!!

Alright, first things first......The other night in Denmark I was watchin' a tribute to The Beatles 'cos it was the 40th anniversary of their first appearance in The Cavern.....The Danish TV show had The Bootleg Beatles on....being interviewed and playing "Got To Get You Into My Life"....brass section 'n all......it was alright, but I woulda rather to have seen the real Beatles .....even if they made a bad job of it....well, anyway the program closed with a compendium of real Beatle footage....starting with "I Wanna Hold Yer Hand" on Ed Sullivan in 1964 right up to "Let it Be" from The 1970 movie.....along the way they played "Hey Jude" from the David Frost Show in 1968 ( I saw that on The Smothers Brothers show in 1968, when I was 5.....it's why I still have long hair and play guitar and write songs for my band in 2001, at the age of 38......sorry, I digress)......ANYWAY....Ray, the guy I was gigging with in Denmark was watchin' it too and he swears Mc Cartney sings "Take a load off Annie, Take a load off me" right before a mad drum fill from Ringo in the freakout singalong chorus at the end of that song.......Anyone here ever hear THAT?......Nope, me neither....but maybe he does!!!!! .......he DOES lose it at the end of that record, for sure......an explanation MIGHT be that when The Beatles did the Frost show, they sang live vocals over a backing track...THAT you can hear, especially when McCartney sings the verses......and it becomes apparent when Lennon misses a harmony cue and starts shrugging his shoulders at McCartney.....(That's hilarious, actually....I'd rather see THAT kinda thing than see The Bootleg Beatles get it just right)....So MAYBE McCartney quoted "The Weight" ONLY on The Frost Show......Well, I dunno.....anyone ever come across this?.....

whilst in coopenhagen I came across abook in a bookstore called "Tombstone Blues".....a collection of Rock obits.....so i checked out Richard Manuel....he's right above Bob Marley in this rather ghoulish collection......it DID mention what a brilliant vocalist and songwriter that he was AND the usual drugs 'n alcohol problems......but it ALSO mentioned how his his high vocals were prominent on "The Weight" and how they complimented Duane Allmans wonderful slide guitar playing .....huh?????? Any chance you can get THAT version of "The Weight" on Napster????.......

Speaking of Bob Marley.....there's a very extensive article in the British Rock Mag "Uncut"(.....which is sorta like a glossy gossipy version of "Mojo"..although not without merit...it's a good read from time to time.....) however, it mentions that when bob played The LA forum in 1975, a whole buncha Rock Stars went to the gig.....The Dead, Ringo'n George, amongst others...... and Robbie Robertson and The Band!!!!!.........Since when has it been Robbie Robertson AND The Band?..........I dunno,.... since it stopped bein' Levon and The Hawks? Since TLW???.........

Fair Dues to RR for pushing the Native American Music vibe at the Grammys, tho'......If he would only play some Rock'n'Roll now.....in a band with bob dylan say........Dylans had some great musos over the years.....but really nobody better than them Hawks.......They shoulda called themselves The Hawks again after RR left 'em.......I must away now......my wife needsa me to do something other than indulge in my Band fantasies now that iIm back off the road.......See y'all later.......

Posted on Tue Feb 27 17:19:30 CET 2001 from blndi6-212-144-233-176.arcor-ip.net (212.144.233.176)

Lutz - Peter Klose

Hello, I've heard about a rerelease of "Rock of Ages" and a Friend told me that it was due to relaease here in Germany on Febr. 8th. But nobody here is able to help me. Germany is sometimes so ignorant that it smells like Sh... Dear wbmaster, could you make a link ro a online store where i can get the thinks that i want? LPK p.s. Great website, very exciting.

Posted on Tue Feb 27 06:57:55 CET 2001 from host-209-214-113-181.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.113.181)

BWNWITennessee

I just saw Branford Marsalis, excellent. If you have any interest in jazz, check him out if he comes to your town. He's very entertaining and seems to create set lists that can keep the show interesting even to non-jazz fans. Bela Fleck sat in, too (as he does at every single concert ever held within a 50-mile radius of Nashville). Maybe he could sit in with Levon sometime. Branford, I mean, although Bela might be good, too.

I thought "Traffic" was a good movie, a bit less cliched than "Gladiator." Besides, I just couldn't stop thinking of that line from Airplane, "Do you like gladiator movies?"

Posted on Tue Feb 27 06:42:35 CET 2001 from spider-wm051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.171)

Bayou Sam

I just checked out MOJO'S site for the first time in my life. I was interested to see just what the movie choices were for the best rock movie EVER. Three choices! That's all? With all due respect to TLW - I wanted to see a list with at least The Kids Are Allright and Woodstock on it. I think I'd have to vote for Woodstock. Woodstock is an incrediblie peice(peace) of rock history - and no overdubs (I don't think). Anyway, it was the lack of selection that bothered me. Spinal Tap is a totally different film than TLW. It's not a rock film - it's a comedy. I love it BTW. The whole bit with the amp. volume going to eleven is a scream - but I wouldn't call it a rock film. What about Gimmie Shelter, Let It Be, Elvis 1968 Comeback Special - and there was a great movie in the early '70s called "Let The Good Times Roll". Heck, if Spinal Tap is in there, why not Head, and Magical Mystery Tour?

The Last Waltz will win because there's no competition. If it won against some of the others I mentioned, then that would be cool.

Sorry - just had to let that out.

Posted on Tue Feb 27 06:26:52 CET 2001 from toronto-ppp222316.sympatico.ca (64.228.111.117)

simon bedford

this is a great site and i enjoy it but you dont have a listing for one of my favorite songs "share your love"

Posted on Tue Feb 27 04:28:22 CET 2001 from user-33qt9lt.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.166.189)

Pat Brennan

A meltdown over angry emails from Kiss fans? The HoF's spell check probably overheated.

Posted on Tue Feb 27 03:12:55 CET 2001 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Check out the new Rolling Stone with Dave Matthews on the cover - it looks to be a take on The Basement Tapes cover.

And unBand related - If the AMC movie tour comes to town - catch it! I just saw Dr. Strangelove on the Big Screen for the first time - Brilliant!

Posted on Tue Feb 27 02:37:35 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Charlie Young......I've got that Rivers album. It's great!

Posted on Tue Feb 27 01:58:37 CET 2001 from proxy.sna.netsetter.com (64.209.134.135)

Diamond Lil

Charlie Young: Aah...Johnny Rivers...the 'Secret Agent Man'. Still have that 45! Always loved his tune 'The poor side of town' too. Both tunes bring back nice memories...thanks for mentioning him.

Have a 5am flight out of the south back to the north tomorrow morning. Very nice vacation...but there's still no place like home.

Have a nice night everyone. Hug Jan :-)

Posted on Tue Feb 27 00:22:39 CET 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Bones: that "UNO" DVD Butch mentioned was the New Orleans Jazz Fest gig taped at the University of New Orleans a few years ago (1995?).

John Fogerty's original song title (as it appeared on first pressings of the original vinyl edition) was "Zaentz Can't Dance." It was a direct attack on Fantasy Records owner and sometime movie producer Saul Zaentz. A threatened lawsuit forced Fogerty to change the title to "Vantz."

John Donabie: the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame website had to shut down their message board because it was so full of angry messages from Kiss fans and others who couldn't be civil in discussing artists not yet inducted. Two names at the top of my unrecognized list are Leon Russell and Johnny Rivers (check out his most recent studio album, "Last Train to Memphis" if you have doubts about the latter, who is still great in concert, by the way).

Posted on Mon Feb 26 23:47:50 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

One more thing while I'm venting and I hope this means something to somebody.

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Cosimo Matassa. Still not nominated in a non-musical category for founding the first recording studio in New Orleans. Take Cosimo out of the equation and you have no Fats Domino, Shirley & Lee, Little Richard.......etc etc etc etc.

Robbie Robertson is on the board of the Hall of Fame to choose nominees and I'm sure he helped Toussaint get in (not that he didn't deserve it. He did. I'm surprised he hasn't done anything in this area. It's a great injustice and Cosimo isn't getting any younger.

Posted on Mon Feb 26 23:43:07 CET 2001 from 1cust205.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.112.205)

HI

Anybody mention Graham Parker's "Mercury Poisoning"...about Mercury Records or John Fogerty's,what was it," Vantz can't Dance " ?....about what was it, Fantasy/Ace records?

Posted on Mon Feb 26 23:39:44 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

G-MAN brings up some good points about the Grammys and probably award shows in general. The Grammys are mostly about the Music BUSINESS than MUSIC itself.

This year for example is anyone interested in the Academy Awards? What a horrible year. I thought Gladiator was OK; but 12 nominations. It ain't no Ben-Hur :)

Posted on Mon Feb 26 23:04:27 CET 2001 from www-cache-external.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.196.201)

ajr

Songs about da music industry? Lynrd Skynrd “Working for MCA” is educational and to the point…

Want you to sign the contract
Want you to sign the date
Gonna give you lots of money
Workin' for MCA

Oh, nine thousand dollars
Just to sow to the wind
Come to smile at the yankee slicker
With a big old southern grin
They're gonna take me out to California
Gonna make me a superstar
Just pay me all my money
Mister, maybe you won't get a scar

Slickers steal my money
Since I was seventeen
If it ain't no pencil pusher
Then it got to be a honky-tonk queen
But I signed my contract, baby
And I want you people to know
That every penny that I make
I want to see where my money goes

Don't know how this fits in with "forget your lust for the rich man's gold and be a simple kind of man" in Simple Man though...

Posted on Mon Feb 26 22:52:43 CET 2001 from du-tele3-161.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.161)

Peter Viney

Over the last week I’ve been enjoying The Parlour Band CD, yet another great discovery from this site. It will appeal to Band fans and the money goes to charity too. I’ve discovered some great music not only from this site, but from contributors. Give the Parlour Band a listen – I get a feel of Wray’s Shack 3-Track as well as The Band (for the afficianados). Anyway, they’ve been sharing my CD player with soul collections all week.

On collections, compiling albums like the Kent series Where it’s AT series & Mo Mod Jazz series, and Ace’s Golden Age of American Rock & Roll, and Stateside’s Talcum Soul is an art in its own right. Labels like Ace do chase up the master tapes and do the very best they can with old recordings. I find I’m attracted to compilations because I know about half the stuff. With Kent & Ace the other half is worth getting to know everytime. i.e. you’d never compile compilations this good for yourself using Napster!

Nobody has any news of who the other (Baltimore) Barn-Burners are, then?

Posted on Mon Feb 26 22:31:28 CET 2001 from regncache2.sasknet.sk.ca (142.165.70.20)

R. Isherwood

Enjoyed visitng your site...

Posted on Mon Feb 26 21:37:03 CET 2001 from du-tele3-037.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.37)

Peter Viney

The Band are running at 60% in the Mojo poll, versus 34% for Spinal Tap & 6% for Hearts of Fire. Come on, cast your vote(s).

Posted on Mon Feb 26 21:17:08 CET 2001 from s340-modem585.dial.xs4all.nl (194.109.162.73)

Martine Dweil

A tribute to The Band. A beautiful performance from a couple of excellent mucisans! Thats what i have been seeing the last two weeks. They played the most beautiful BANDSongs in a Fantastic way!!!! I have seen them several times here in Holland and just want to tell you that it made me very happy. I never been on this side before but if you want to know anything more about it, just let me know!! See You. Btw The group is called The W.S. Walcott Medicine Show.

Posted on Mon Feb 26 21:02:19 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

A couple of DVD questions:

Peter Viney mentioned a new release of Raging Bull with added features. My DVD version of Raging Bull has NO extra goodies. Please explain.

Also, what is the Band from UNO DVD that Butch was discussing?

Posted on Mon Feb 26 18:51:12 CET 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

Did anyone happen to catch George Harrison's "on-line" chat sessions last week ? I missed it, but would be interested to hear what he had to say-- anyone ??

Posted on Mon Feb 26 16:33:56 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

John Donabie is correct on a great Canadian show with much on Band, and other great Canadian musicians. Several other shows during week leading in to the awards show!! Robbie had good jab at the Grammy show!!! Still too bad he didn't jam w/BB and EC!! Really gettin to me, Grammy crap!!! Taj gets a snippet; N. Miss All Stars NOT even mentioned as candidates for an award. THose dudes would have knocked ALL the other crappers right off the planet. It's like---here's a pile a shit, and some loser says it's good--and everyone goes along--that's what's happin to music!! Hopefully, people get fed up with the BS and fake crap of being nice, and get back to puttin on some people who can play. THose who paid their dues, etc.. Now what ability did M & M have?? Can't sing, can't play, and he's featured!!! I haven't been this confused since the late 60's early 70's. Some of the other acts were down right CRAP!!

Posted on Mon Feb 26 14:47:11 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-td044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.169)

bob wigo

Thank you Robert P. Jones for the wonderful photos. The Mann Music Center handbill brings back many memories as I spent four summers working there between '78 and '82.

After all I've been through.....I would still go back in a heartbeat!!

Posted on Mon Feb 26 14:36:21 CET 2001 from (209.158.182.202)

Mike from NJ

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." -- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

Posted on Mon Feb 26 13:32:37 CET 2001 from du-tele3-129.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.129)

Peter Viney

Music business songs: Nobody does it better than Van Morrison. Try Showbusiness (The Philosophers Stone) + ‘Songwriter’ (Days Like These) + ‘Big Time Operators; (Too Long in Exile). Quote:

Oh they looked like politicians

But underneath they were thugs

And they spread malicious rumours

Threatened to have me busted for drugs

They had nothing on me

Oh man, I was really clean

But they were big time operators

on the music scene

and later

They were glorified by the media

They were heroes who had names

They said that they would bury me

if I didn’t play their game

But the concept album is ‘Beautiful Noise’ produced by Robbie Robertson and featuring among others Garth. Oh, and Neil Diamond.

Posted on Mon Feb 26 13:09:38 CET 2001 from (194.75.150.6)

Michael

Mojo magazine are currently running a poll to vote for the best rock film of all time. TLW is one of the possibilities. www.mojo4music.com (the poll is on the left-hand side) p.s. - keep up the good work, Jan!

Posted on Mon Feb 26 11:41:52 CET 2001 from proxy.newmedia.no (212.71.66.13)

Jens Magnus

I visited Tromsø, far north in Norway this weekend. As usual I searched the used vinyl stores. Guess what?! I picked up a copy of Ronnie Hawkins sings Hank Williams. Featuring Levon on drums and Scotty Moore on bass!!!

I had to check Jans pages to find the musicians; there wasn't much on the cover. Lucky indeed!

Posted on Mon Feb 26 11:15:37 CET 2001 from spider-tm021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.51)

Mike

The Rick & Richard O'Toole's show is excellent. Richard on piano & vocals and Rick on Bass, guitar & vocals. Lots of good tunes. It's worth having.

Posted on Mon Feb 26 09:46:50 CET 2001 from levon.hiof.no (158.36.51.54)

jh

John,
I found the info on the new Japanese Dylan live compilation at Karl Erik's Expecting Rain Dylan site. It is also listed at Amazon in England and Germany, and there is an official info. page for the CD, with cover art, at Sony Japan's web site.

Posted on Mon Feb 26 05:17:26 CET 2001 from spider-wa063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.48)

Bayou Sam

....y'know, all this music buisness talk has me thinking about some cool songs that are on the very subject of the music buisness. My favorite might be "The Entertainer" by Billy Joel. Another great one is "Success Story" by The Who(a John Entwhistle tune BTW), and George Harrison had one called "Cockamamie Buisness". I know there are others but it's late and I'm tired. You folks come up with some now. Goodnite.

Posted on Mon Feb 26 04:46:10 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

I'll throw this out again. Regarding in the "What's New" section, the new Dylan compilation Live 1961-2000. I have gone to numerous American and Japanese CD sites and haven't seen anything on the record. Anyone know where the original info came from and the picture sleeve???

Posted on Mon Feb 26 04:38:49 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Just finished watching a Canadian Music Special called "The Tower of Song." This was a tribute to Canadian musicians who are now in the Juno (Canadian Grammy) Hall of Fame.

Had great footage of Rick Danko driving down Yonge Street past the old clubs talking about the early days. Also some wonderful storytelling from Levon describing the scene at the time. Great footage of the early days with The Hawk & The Hawks and later a little of The Band doing The Weight at Woodstock.

Some classic Ian & Sylvia, Gordon Lightfoot, Steppenwolf, Leonard Cohen, Lenny Breau and The Guess Who footage. Ian Tyson talking about going up to his apartment in The Village in New York and writing his first song "Four Strong Winds" after his manager Albert Grossman played him one of his other clients songs called "Blowin' In The Wind." Who was that other client again? :) Kind of felt proud to see some of the folks who came out of Canada. Oh did I mention Joni Mitchell & Neil Young?

Posted on Mon Feb 26 04:27:14 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

God Bless John Fahey

Posted on Mon Feb 26 01:22:49 CET 2001 from akcf3.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.201)

Rod

Peter, there is some truth in what you say however I don't think that all musicians play on a level field (I'm abusing my metaphors here in the same way some one once accused RR of doing). The record companies pick favourites and that is what gets played on the radios - and people largely buy what they are familiar with. The record companies and radio stations are making some people rich at the expense of others. I think The Band had a number of songs which could have made it in the top 10 - but they probably didn't match some executives idea of what a top 10 song should sound like (or what the musicians should look like).

Posted on Mon Feb 26 00:11:45 CET 2001 from spider-wl071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.51)

butch

Last night, while helping Jimmy Vivino do a show in NYC, @ B.B.Kings,,, with BILLY PRESTON & SAM MOORE,,,, I was watching the large screen,,, they had a SRV Blues video on,, then the sound guy took it off & put on THE BAND from UNO, ( the new DVD ),,,

it was so cool to watch the faces of this nyc crowd, watch The Band @ their best, of that era,,,,,

They were transfixed !!!!!!!!!!!!!

To see Rick, singing & the fellas jammin , was great !!!!!!! Levon's Bass, on Crazy Mama, made me & Jimmy Vivino, smile,,,,, wed never seen it & it was big fun,,,,

Not to mention how great the Billy & Sam show was,,,,with Bones Malone holding down every instrument except the harpsichord, i think,,,,Jimmy V & Will Lee put together a smokin band of NYC's finest to "back" up Billy & Sam,,,,WHAT MUSIC,,,, from SOULFINGER to Knock on Wood, Nuthin from Nuthin,,,an amazing instrumental version of SUMMERTIME from Billy ( who was sick w/the flu ),,

I brough an old picture from when Billy played w/The Band,,& when he saw it he said he HAD TO HAVE IT,,, so i gave it to him,, & we were looking @ it,, danko had this look on his face,,,,& randy & billy & bell were all laughing,,,GREAT SHOT,,, glad to give it to himm,,,

anyway,, we all were watching the Band's DVD, thassall,,, butch

Posted on Sun Feb 25 23:51:34 CET 2001 from 1cust17.tnt9.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.10.13.17)

HI

WOULD ANY OF YOU SERIOUS BOOTLEG COLLECTORS CARE TO COMMENT WHETHER DANKO AND MANUEL AT O'TOOLES IS WORTH DOWNLOADING...WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT...

Posted on Sun Feb 25 20:54:55 CET 2001 from user-33qt8hu.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.162.62)

Pat Brennan

My mistake. John Fahey died on the 22nd.

Posted on Sun Feb 25 20:40:15 CET 2001 from user-33qt8hu.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.162.62)

Pat Brennan

John Fahey, the mad acoustic guitar genius, died today. Brilliant.

Posted on Sun Feb 25 20:39:42 CET 2001 from host-209-214-116-164.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.116.164)

BWNWITennessee

I think it's rather ironic that even as the labels have been fighting Napster, they've simultaneously raised the price of CDs so that most mall record stores are now charging $19.99 for new releases. That much money for one CD is just absurd. Well, you can always buy a cassette - no, wait, they're going the way of the dodo in about six months because, well, golly, they're just not expensive enough.

Posted on Sun Feb 25 17:32:27 CET 2001 from pancho.loco.fw.gannett.com (167.8.176.9)

bill nichols

I saw Steve Forbert last night and, in his encore, he did a new song he's written in tribute to Rick Danko. It's a lovely tune - so check Forbert out if he's in your area.

Posted on Sun Feb 25 15:27:21 CET 2001 from du-tele3-013.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.13)

Peter Viney

Rod said: “I also have a suspicion that most of the most commercially successful "musicians" are over paid and under talented and it's probably true that the record companies have been ripping us of for ages anyway (Watkins Glen?). I personally wouldn't mind seeing some of these people earn a more realistic amount.”

The only good thing to come out of General Wayne’s sad and sudden demise is that he is no longer here to read such a thing. The poor General was a bulwark against any kind of egalitarian ideas. In the 60s, I listened to someone explain that everyone in the country should have a Ford Escort car, no more and no less. My counter was ‘but say I want a radio in mine?’ Musicians, writers, actors all earn a living based on how many people buy their product. Inevitably some will be more popular than others and more people will buy their wares. And some will become incredibly wealthy. But not at the expenses of the others, or by crooked deals, but simply because millions of people buy that record. I might not like Britney Spears particularly, but I don’t resent the fact that millions of kids contribute a few cents each to her when they buy her records. I might object to record companies making 90% of the money by charging too much, and to agents taking 25% of the remaining 10%, but I don’t object to the artist’s share. The Band had their big paydays too. Spread over twenty or thirty years even a fairly successful star will have earned no more than the average professional, but they will have had some mega paydays along the way, and probably ended up paying more tax than someone whose income is more regular. So a few will reach Sir Paul McCartney, Elton John or Madonna levels. That’s because a great number of people like them and want what they’re selling. This week, I expect more people are buying NSYNC than The Band. It’s not a measure of quality, and I don’t think other musicians resent it. Most kids strumming tunelessly in the garage dream of success, and the successful few encourage the others. The argument leads to saying that those who people don’t want to listen to should be compensated by paying those who people do want to listen to less. That, in the end, means that Islands is worth as much as the Brown Album.

CDs changed thec way we listened to music. That program button meant that most people stopped listening to whole albums and started selecting tracks. Pretty soon you note the songs that stick in your head. You program the CD. You make up your own compilations with just the selected tracks. Well, maybe many albums were 80% dross and deserved it, but not all. The slow-growing song was likely to be programmed out. With Napster etc, we’ll be back to a singles market (albeit that for the over 16s as the “singles” will be extracts from albums).

Posted on Sun Feb 25 15:28:09 CET 2001 from dialin-36.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.67)

Gene

Oh...what the heck...make that a Belated Happy 68th Birthday SCREETCH

Posted on Sun Feb 25 15:20:49 CET 2001 from dialin-36.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.67)

Gene

oops...a belated Happy 68th Birthday (18 February) shout to Yoko.

Posted on Sun Feb 25 06:51:04 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg061.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.176)

Bayou Sam

Happy Birthday - George Harrison

Posted on Sun Feb 25 06:25:15 CET 2001 from 216-224-219-92.dialnet.net (216.224.219.92)

Angela Tavaszi

Alright. This is my second attempt to write! the last time I had a thunder storm comme through and I had to shut down pronto! Nevertheless, I was too late and lost a modem! Ha! Good thing I had a back up! As i said in my last attempt, this is wonderful to have been able to come to this page! It's been sincerely inspirational to be able to hear some of the music that been stored in my memories! It's been many years, but I've always had a special place in my heart for the soul that's been referred to as "the band." The weight is definately one of my 3 favorite songs. I consider myself to be one of the few that have been raised with a very broad spectrum of musical influence. I could not say which ranked 1st, but " The weight " ranks with " Can't find my way home "...anyone with good taste knows that one....and then ..." amazing grace"! I could go on and on! I also must say that I find Robbie Robertson to be one of the very most attractive humans on earth! The persona that emits is stunning! I always enjoyed the music and never knew the face until I saw a movie that he was in. The title of the movie was " Carney ." I really wonder how many others saw that! It linked the music with an attitude for me! Never regarded "the band" the same since! I'm a fairly intelligent woman and admire those with such qualities. It's very rare that I express these things aloud. Robertson has good qualities and also reveres his heritage! My sister is an archeologist and our family is very aware of all in regard to ancestory. I saw a documentory one nite with Robertson! Again...I was impressed!...Gotta luv that kind of person! I sincerely appreciate this oppurtunity to exress these inner thoughts! If I have another chance, I'll come back again to view this! I'm trying to post on goofball.com now. LOL! Kisses for this! Thank you! Angela, aka...Luvly1..on goofball

Posted on Sun Feb 25 05:52:35 CET 2001 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Rod

As a new comer to Napster I think it is great for finally hearing the bootlegs and the no longer available official releases ( I'm thinking of the Complete Last Waltz and early Hawks stuff here).It is a real shame that musicians are loosing out but it may be time for a change in the way music is packaged and sold. How many times have you brought an album that had one or two great tracks and alot of crap? That can be an expensive way of getting the songs you want. I like the idea of just down loading the tracks I want and I don't mind paying for that. If all the songs on the album are good then I'll down load the lot (though it's prabaly quicker to buy the CD). I also have a suspicion that most of the most commercially successful "musicians" are over paid and under talented and it's probably true that the record companies have been ripping us of for ages anyway (Watkins Glen?). I personally wouldn't mind seeing some of these people earn a more realistic amount.

As far as The Band goes I've probably bought most of their releases 3 or 4 times - first vinyl, then the first CD realease and now the re-releases. Add to that a few of the compilations - including the expensive box set and your talking alot of money. So really I don't loose to much sleep over downloading the odd song from Napster.

Posted on Sun Feb 25 01:30:51 CET 2001 from 1cust102.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.102)

HI

If you're in the area, some of those original photographs of Dylan in Woodstock used for the Genuine basement tapes are currently in a show at the Catskill Center for Photography, the former Cafe Expresso , in Woodstock until March.

Posted on Sun Feb 25 00:28:57 CET 2001 from 1cust235.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.235)

HI

Forgive me for the pretentious crack, it's just that you find so many people that you meet taking others opinions so seriously like its the gospel truth. Mr. VINEY I totally agree with you about Napster and its ilk being bad as far as legitimate releases. Defending Bootleggers however like it was a labor of love....As a taper who never sold anything and the prices they charge ... True if only field tapes were traded on Napster that would be great....a lot of us just couldn't afford all those great boots and for now its free ..... They stole photos too you know...

Posted on Sat Feb 24 23:25:25 CET 2001 from rutabaga-b-08.bedford.nb.net (209.161.77.154)

D.M.

SinceR.R.felt strongly enough about the subject of the presidential pardons to mention them at the Grammy Awards the other night I felt that it might be alright to voice an opinion here in the ol' GB...well, maybe not ..but here goes.I never believed for a second that Clinton ever intended to grant a pardon to Leonard Peltier,Clinton has been involved in so many sleazy operationsthat the last thing he'd want to do is purposely piss off the F.B.I.,and as we ALL know now, the main reason that Peltier was scrapped was the fact that the Marc Rich thing had been a done deal for quite some time. If Clinton would have pardoned Peltier it would have made the F.B.I. so angry that they would have come after him with everything they had..as it stands now the F.B.I has been less adament to investigate this whole fiasco. Of course the losers in this rotten deal has been the Native American community, after all the years and years of mistrust of the U.S government these people had to choose slick willie as the guy deemed most likely to show them a little respect. but of course the real loser in this whole mess is Leonard Peltier who will probably have to endure his worst fear simply because "he wasn't Marc Rich enough"

Posted on Sat Feb 24 21:36:05 CET 2001 from user-33qt9s9.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.167.137)

Pat Brennan

Let me add a pretentious bit. Bootleggers have given us everything from one of the Band's first Winterland shows to the Complete Last Waltz. AoO, Roosevelt Stadium (uhh, number 2), Royal Albert Rags, the real Watkins Glen, Sept '76, just to name a few. The Essential Bob Dylan series is exactly that. How about Blood On The Tapes? The Basement Tapes?

Screw the bootleggers? Yeah, right.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 21:31:36 CET 2001 from spider-wl033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.33)

Tommy

I've never heard a bootleg that I was totally impressed with.And the ones I have heard that were cool, eventually found thier way to official releases or boxed sets. (ie;Beatles Anthology).

But ,then again, I've never heard any Band boots except for one from Jersey (around '71). That one was OK.

Later folks!!! ~Tommy

Posted on Sat Feb 24 20:58:24 CET 2001 from du-tele3-135.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.135)

Peter Viney

Pretentious? Moi? Far be it from me to defend the bootleggers, but when I look at The Complete Last Waltz, Crossing The Great Divide, Academy of Outtakes, and The Genuine Basement Tapes, I see labours of love. They didn’t need to use such great packaging. The same goes for the 66 sets, like Guitars Kissing or the huge 66 tour box sets I haven’t invested in. Then there are the Ultra-Rare Tracks Dylan collections, or You Don’t Know Me, all intelligent assemblies of material which put official releases, including the latest Dylan, to shame. At the last record fair I went to, coincidentally in Portsmouth where three of the new Dylan tracks come from, all I see is CDRs and inkjet covers. I think it’s genuinely worth bemoaning the effect of Napster on these illegitimate enterprises as well as the impact on artists’ rightful revenues. OK, the bootleggers took these also, but sometimes did so with style. And the bootleggers can be bypassed if the artists simply put out the material themselves. Zappa did it. Fripp’s done it. Napster can’t be by-passed so easily. In a way, the industry can live with the boots as it has done for 30 years. The boots catered for enthusiasts. Napster and its ilk are altogether more dangerous, because they encroach on the official material too. If Napster etc only supplied bootleg material (like Senor from Blackbushe), I wouldn’t object. Bootleggers bootleg each other after all. But a lot of Napster is piracy, not bootlegging. A letter in a computer mag today expressed the view that the industry would have to accept that it wasn’t going to get paid for songs any more and would have to cope. What? How? How are artists going to get paid? Tours lose money because they promote albums. I can’t see how musicians are going to live off a few T-shirt sales and cut of the bar. The answer is partly, as the Musician’s Union say on bumper stickers in the UK, “Support live music.” And more importantly also don’t rip off legitimate releases.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 19:47:29 CET 2001 from 1cust213.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.213)

HI

Some interesting but rather pretentious sounding comments about the Dylan live CD. I was at the ROA show and it will be a treat to hear it with the Dylan stuff after all these years....Like most I held all the pre-Self Portrait stuff in the highest regard...especially 1966 Eat the Document era stuff....But thanks to Napster have been able to hear amazingly good stuff from a number of years..I was truly amazed at how good the current band sounds . Thanks for the tip about Senor live Budakon era....Now downloading.....screw buying bootlegs.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 17:21:55 CET 2001 from du-tele3-049.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.49)

Peter Viney

Dylan & ROA: If you ignore the sleeve track list on Academy of Outtakes, and just press 15 on disc 2, you’ll discover the live version of “Crash on the Levee” with Dylan and The Band. It’s on a couple of other Dylan boots, but I think it’s usually an unlisted bonus track, as if the bootleggers doubly fear retribution over this one. Odd.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 16:36:51 CET 2001 from spider-tr031.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.186)

Kevin

I read the review of AOO on Rock's Back Pages and the observation that Loving You is Sweeter Than Ever and The Rumor are superior to the performances at Watkins Glen is comical. Maybe the recording is better, but the performance is the same. I've been listening to AOO while driving the past couple of weeks and every time I hear Don't Do It, I can't help but think it's the same version as on Rock of Ages. Of course, this would mean the guitar solo was dubbed later in the studio. Does anyone else think this is the same version? Also, Rock's Back Pages cites significant differences in the King Harvest guitar solos on AOO and ROA. I agree and it's difficult for me to believe the same person played with so little imagination, dexterity and timing on one night, and then played one of the most stunning pieces I've ever heard him play a day or two later.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 14:23:37 CET 2001 from spider-wn022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.157)

Ben Pike

No Clinton basher I, still Robbie deserves Kudos for his jibe at the Grammys(which was picked up quite a bit in the press, you don't think I watched that thing...) . With all this talk of live Dylan, does everyone know your going to get the Dylan set on the expanded "Rock Of Ages?" I've never even heard of that being bootlegged, and it's exsistence surprised one Dylan freak friend who is tough to stump. On a simalair line, don't you think what we really need is an expanded and REMIXED "Last Waltz?". The album never sounded as good as the movie, and might really improve from another try.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 14:17:22 CET 2001 from pd90163d9.dip.t-dialin.net (217.1.99.217)

Erik

A lot of uninteresting folks have to make real important statements about how to make music and other very uninteresting stuff... I'm just here to say thank you for this site. Erik

Posted on Sat Feb 24 13:57:53 CET 2001 from du-tele3-153.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.153)

Peter Viney

How do you choose among the literally hundreds of Dylan 1980s and 1990s CDRs, tapes and bootlegs? I find that most of them only get played a couple of times and I’ve jumped off that particular bandwagon. I don’t even bother to look at record fairs anymore. I just ask about 66 and 74 stuff. Jonathan is correct. The obsessives have as much as they want, and much of the bootlegged stuff will not appeal to the casual fan. The elaborate bootleg boxset “You Don’t Know Me – Live 1962-92” has a lot of good stuff, but sadly the three 1974 tracks are all solo spots (from Philadelphia)

But I’d have started with “Cocaine” and “Ain’t No More Cane” from 1961, The Gaslight Tapes, which was a widely available semi-legal album in Italy a few years back, i.e. legal under Italian law at the time. Near the end, I’d include “Cocaine” from Bournemouth in October 1997 (Tailgates and Substitutes boot), mainly because I was there and I like the song. I’d definitely include at least one “This Wheel’s On Fire” partly to increase the royalty flow to Rick’s family. For historical reasons, what about “Maggies Farm” from Newport 65? A 1978 vintage “Senor” is a must. It isn’t on “Budokan”, proving that Dylan is a poor judge of his own material yet again, but the “The Picnic At Blackbushe” boot has the same full band and backing singers three months later and hotter (plus Clapton on some tracks) and a wonderfully over-the-top rendition. At Blackbushe at least they played a lot of Street Legal. Presumably he didn’t want to duplicate “Street legal” songs on the Budokan release. He does a powerful “Changing of The Guards” but unfortunately someone next to the taper goes mad with whoops of excitement as soon as he hears, “Sixteen Years!” which I would have done myself if I’d been there, but the concert was six days after the birth of my first son and I was unavoidably detained. I maintain that “Street Legal” is one of Dylan’s four or five best albums, but it may be association. The morning my son was born in 1978 I drove away from the hospital at 6 a.m. so elated that I drove along by the beach with the album at full volume in the car and whenever I hear the album the mood returns. Wish I could bottle it and sell it.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 11:53:00 CET 2001 from du-tele3-095.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.95)

Peter Viney

Prince Chuks Suks: I’ve had e-mails from Nigerian lawyers, government ministers, princes and their wives, as well as from their counterparts in Togo and Sierra Leone. Most of these West African scams involve recycling old banknotes with a chemical, or accessing money seized by change of government. They have been exposed on British TV and in newspapers many times, as London is the centre of much of this. Like all the best cons they prey on greed, and because it’s all illegal, their victims probably don’t like owning up. But they must find enough suckers to make it worthwhile sending out individual e-mails so this particular three card trick is seemingly lucrative. So now the Russians have started. I read an article this week saying that over 25% of e-traffic is Spam, and it’ll soon be vastly more.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 10:36:50 CET 2001 from webcacheb01a.cache.pol.co.uk (195.92.168.163)

Graham Martin

Last night, in a moment of pure self-indulgence (my wife, who has little taste, went and had a bath) I picked out the 'Last Waltz' video and spent a wonderful hour or so watching and listening. The BAND had no peers, were quite wonderful and the legend will live on long after they have gone. Thank you. Graham M.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 07:40:19 CET 2001 from 1cust88.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.88)

Crabgrass

I knew if I waited long enough someone would start an interesting thread in the GB - now if I could only think of something profound to say about Prince Chuks Okigbo!

It's late - I'm gonna sleep on it.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 06:56:11 CET 2001 from parachute3-156-40-62-125.net.nih.gov (156.40.62.125)

Jonathan Katz

See the above link for a review of "Academy."

Posted on Sat Feb 24 06:46:15 CET 2001 from parachute3-156-40-62-125.net.nih.gov (156.40.62.125)

Jonathan Katz

On the new Dylan Live collection: 1) They should have waited to throw in something from 2001 to make it an even 40 years. 2) I can’t imagine how this sounds - mixing live performances over almost 40 years. I would think that it is not going to be listened to much. I would think that “Live 66” hangs together much better. 3) The market for this disc will be the amature collector. The serious collector has boots that are much better, from the Gaslight tapes through to the readily available tapes of recent years. 4) Given the recycled nature of much of this, it is surprizing that they missed “Quinn the Eskimo” which for me is a highlight of the Isle of Wight concert. 5) I agree with Peter that they could have broken some new ground with other Tour ‘74 concerts. But obviously Zimmy didn’t like something about the early concerts because they changed the format early on. Comparing those concerts to the ‘66 concerts clearly reveals the difference in the sound necessary to fill the arenas compared to the more “intimate” venues of ‘66. 6) They should have made this a two disc set with acoustic material on one and big band material on the other. Each should have focused on rare material. 7) Hazel was a bust at TLW - Dylan was flat on that one. 8) The Street Legal band was great on the Street Legal material [and that’s one of my top 10 Dylan albums]. But the arrangements of the older material is jarring, at least to me. 9) I agree that the Petty and Dead tours were pretty dismal. 10) Having not heard it yet, I’d hazard a guess that the best performances on the disc are likely Grand Coulee Dam, To Ramona, I Don't Believe You or Shelter From The Storm.

Billy Preston appeared with Sam Moore on Letterman tonight.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 06:21:26 CET 2001 from atmax-7-1.enter.net (207.16.154.57)

Little Brøther

I haven't heard from the Russians for a while, but I got a note from "Prince Chuks Okigbo" purporting to represent Nigerian interests and soliciting "investors". By now he (or she or it or they) is more properly referred to as the (Confidence) Artist formerly known as Prince Chuks Okigbo.

But doesn't everyone have days when they just feel like Chuking it all?

Posted on Sat Feb 24 04:46:21 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

JUST WONDERIN'.......Got my e-mail as well from the Russians Are Coming The Russians Are Coming.

Posted on Sat Feb 24 04:24:22 CET 2001 from axs4uip09040.axs4u.net (64.132.19.40)

Just Wonderin'

The russians are at it again...just got another appeal for money. I think that's the 3rd one since the beginning of the year and I know they got my email address from here, because they address me as "Dear Just Wonderin'". Anyone else get one? I guess we all sound wealthy here!!!

Posted on Sat Feb 24 01:39:00 CET 2001 from 1cust128.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.128)

rollie

Ziv-It was Easy Rider.

Posted on Fri Feb 23 23:53:52 CET 2001 from 1cust111.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.111)

HEIDI

I rather agree with Tiny that Mr.D. should have put out a live one from the 90's and hold the rest....yes Napster proves it......Bootlegs being bootlegged.......

Posted on Fri Feb 23 23:53:54 CET 2001 from mplsdslgw10poola28.mpls.uswest.net (63.228.40.28)

P.S. 2001

I recently found an old interview from 1969 with Jimi Hendrix where he discusses his influences and his music. He even mentions The Band. Don Menn-"Do you listen to The Band?" Jimi Hendrix-"It's there. They got their own thing together that takes you to a certain place. Takes you where they want to go (laughs), you know. Where they want to. They play their things onstage exactly how they play it on the record."

Posted on Fri Feb 23 21:10:30 CET 2001 from slip-32-103-67-212.ga.us.prserv.net (32.103.67.212)

Don Pugatch

Getting into the Hiatt mood, but if anyone wants to visit another great site, besides this one, go to www.Johnhiatt.com, great downloads, info etc.

Posted on Fri Feb 23 20:01:40 CET 2001 from (38.161.244.20)

Tiny Montgomery

I don't get it. Any one of the dozens of tours Dylan has done over the last eight years or so would contain enough material for a GREAT live album, yet nothing is ever released. Now we get some thrown-together collection of mostly previously released tracks. What gives? And, though I'm a huge Band fan, I don't think the '74 tour or even '66 produced anything close to what Dylan has done in the '90s. I agree that he needs Garth in the band though.

Posted on Fri Feb 23 19:36:12 CET 2001 from proxy2.mtmc1.on.wave.home.com (24.66.127.34)

John Donabie

I went to every CD site including a couple of Japanese ones and the Bob Dylan official site. I don't see anything about this new Dylan Live CD.

Posted on Fri Feb 23 19:33:48 CET 2001 from dm2c82.bell.ca (198.235.69.172)

Richard Patterson

PAT and DAVE: The Woody Guthrie Tribute album (w/ Dylan, the Band, Arlo and Ramblin Jack and a slew of others) is still in print (or at least in stock) and available from CDNOW.

With this CD the discrimating Band fan will get 3 rockin Dylan/Band songs ("I Ain't Got No Home", "Dear Mrs Roosevelt", and "Grand Coulee Dam"). Seems to me this would be the better purchase for a Band fan who already owns 'Live '66' and 'BTF'.

Happy shopping : ).

Posted on Fri Feb 23 19:16:51 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Wow. How refreshing! Old and Newcomers to the guestbook praising Robbie for his efforts regarding the Native American community. Good to see. Also, great to see Libby Titus (and Amy Helm getting a thank-you!) I haven't been this interested in the Grammys in a long time. Thanks for the posts.

Posted on Fri Feb 23 16:13:34 CET 2001 from du-tele3-018.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.18)

Peter Viney

The Very, Very Best of Dylan live 1961-2000 has already been out for a while. It’s called “Live 66”. Seriously, taking both solo and Hawks performances, it’s hard to see when any of these tracks was bettered live, though there are other equal 66 versions, such as the Dublin solo “Visions of Johanna” on the box set. I see they missed the Isle of Wight, rightly, but “Minstrel Boy” would have added a song to the set, and has its own charms. Also, the Madison Square “Heaven’s Door” is the tip of a lost opportunity. As every show was taped, they could have gone for songs that aren’t on “Before the Flood” and in particular the first Chicago show in 1974 where the set was very different and Dylan stayed on for the Band’s set. Seems they thought this failed, and what we got was an increasingly static set which got polished and the record is the last gig in LA. Grand Coulee Dam is a must, but it’s not as good as contemporary reviews suggest. What about those Last Waltz songs? Hazel? I liked the Street Legal backing band, who appeared on the often reviled “Live at Budokan.” There are good boots of the same tour (78?) They were a fair sight better than either the Dead or Tom Petty tours. The whole thing looks a bit thrown together to me. “Dylan & The Dead” should have been ignored – the Tom Petty tour released on video was more competent, but unrepresented here. I rather doubt that Portsmouth (which I was unable to attend, sadly, as I’d meant to, it’s only an hour away) had three of his best performances in forty years. Also, weren’t there some interesting live duets with Joan Baez (and others) on early EPs which are now rarities? Dignity has been a “bonus track” so many times that they should stop trying to sell on its supposed rarity value. I’ve got it about four times.

Posted on Fri Feb 23 14:23:56 CET 2001 from dial-16-249-apx-01.btvt.together.net (209.91.47.249)

Nightowl Hilbern-Huether

Osiyo Robbie, Congradulations and thanks for the door that you have opened for us. I am Cherokee/Scotch Irish and I am also a singer/song writter. I heard some of what you had to say at the Grammys. I have great respect for you, Mohawk brother. You have done a really good thing. I would call it "good Medician", your music, but your diplomace is outstanding when it comes to addressing the "folk singing" facts about this continant. Telling the "Hollywood masses" who sang folk music on these lands for thousands of years before the "Grammys" existed, Tahoe! My family has been adopted by the great "Clan of the Hawk" of the Abanaki people. Chief Spiritwater, aka; Ralph, and his clan have taught us many songs. They have a large drum group and a very fine youth drum group. We have learned many dances and pow wow with them. You have a great gift,to create great music; but it appears to me that your greatest gift given to you by Creator is your ability to "open the door" for your people and thier future. Wa do , All my relations, Nightowl (Donna)

Posted on Fri Feb 23 04:40:29 CET 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

Pat Brennan: You're right that nearly all of Before the Flood was recorded in LA...I believe that "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" was virtually the only exception as it is from MSG in NY. It's one of my favorites, as I always thought that The Band should have sung more when they backed up Dylan. I'm also glad to hear of the rerelease of "Grand Coulee Dam" and the inclusion of the Hard Rain "Shelter from the Storm," which is incredible.

Wouldn't it be nice to hear Levon and Garth on a *new* Dylan album someday? C'mon, Bob, give your old pals a call...

Posted on Fri Feb 23 04:33:48 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.182)

butch

In this month's issue of BLUES REVUE, with HUBERT SUMLIN on the cover, there is a nice article on the Hubert / Muddy sessions,,, Lots of KUDOS Levon's way, in the article,,,, from Hubert & Bob Margolin,,,,, ( one mistake, tho,, Mudcat plays the doghouse bass, not keyboards,,,,)

if ya see it , pick it up,,, its a fun read,,,,,,,,,

Posted on Fri Feb 23 04:21:19 CET 2001 from user-33qt8e0.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.192)

Pat Brennan

Shoot, here's the list: Album Tracklisting 1. Somebody Touched Me 9/24/2000 (Portsmouth, England) 2. Wade In The Water 12/22/1961 (Minneapolis) 3. Handsome Molly 1962 (Gaslight) 4. To Ramona 1965 (Outtake from the film, Don't Look Back) 5. I Don't Believe You 5/17/1966 (Free Trade Hall, Manchester, released on the album, LIVE 1966) 6. Grand Coulee Dam 1968 (from Woody Guthrie Tribute Album) 7. Knockin' On Heaven's Door 1/30/1974 (Madison Square Garden NY from BEFORE THE FLOOD) 8. It Ain't Me Babe 1975 (from RENALDO & CLARA) 9. Shelter From The Storm 1976 (from HARD RAIN) 10. Dead Man, Dead Man 1981 (New Orleans) 11. Slow Train 1987 (from DYLAN & THE DEAD) 12. Dignity 1994 (from UNPLUGGED) 13. Cold Irons Bound 12/16/1997 (El Ray Theatre, Los Angeles) 14. Born In Time 2/1/1998 (New Jersey Center, New Jersey 15. Country Pie 2000 (Portsmouth, England) 16. Things Have Changed 2000 (Portsmouth, England

Tracks 1, 2, 3, 4, 15 and 16 are previously unreleased. Tracks 6, 8 and 10, 13 and 14 have never been released on a Bob Dylan album. Track 6 is from a compilation that is no longer in print. Track 8 is from a promo only album. Track 10 is the "B" side of a cassette single. Track 13 and 14 were released on EP only

Well, there is one interesting development here. My understanding was that B4 The Flood was from The LA Forum shows. If it is MSG--which was subject to some high quality boots--then that might be cool. Also, the release is supposedly a limited edition.

Posted on Fri Feb 23 04:07:44 CET 2001 from user-33qt8e0.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.192)

Pat Brennan

The new live Dylan album is a weird one. The boys are on three cuts, all previously released: I Don't Believe You from Live 1966, Grand Coulee Dam from the Guthrie Tribute, and Heaven's Door from B4 The Flood. Slow Train from D&THE Dead (possibly his worst album), Shelter From The Storm from Hard Rain (one of his best) and Dignity from Unplugged. Then there's some unreleased material, including a lot from the neverendingtour. I don't know....half rereleases. A good argument for Napster.

Posted on Fri Feb 23 03:15:46 CET 2001 from dialup-63.215.218.149.tampa1.level3.net (63.215.218.149)

Diamond Lil

Visiting with some Band friends tonight....amazing how the music brings folks together.

Thanks Jan..for the special ###### hello to all of us here. Made us smile. Levon Helm rules! :-) Hug...

Posted on Fri Feb 23 01:39:28 CET 2001 from fernuser031.bossig.com (208.26.181.36)

Gail Hemlock

Sagoh,Indigenous people are finally recognized for the spirit that comprises their heart and soul, the music of our lives. Nyah Weh Robbie for your uncomprising opinions and telling it like it is. Wolf Woman

Posted on Thu Feb 22 23:05:00 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

I know many of you are computer freaks out there. Is there a sound program that can change real audio to wav sounds. There used to be a program called.....I think......Steamboat Ripper? Apperently doesn't work anymore. Just Wondering

Posted on Thu Feb 22 22:48:10 CET 2001 from axs4uip08081.axs4u.net (64.132.18.81)

Just Wonderin'

Just recieved the current issue of Rollingstone. There is more than a passing resemblance to The Band with the cover of The Dave Matthews Band. Looks a lot like The Basement Tapes to me!

Posted on Thu Feb 22 22:25:19 CET 2001 from spider-tl043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.193)

Hollow Roy

Congrats to Steely Dan, the other greatest North American rock band for their Grammy sweep. The links between these two groups are many (check the melodic similarity between "Pearl of the Quarter" and "In a Station").--Libby Titus looked terrific sitting with donald Fagen.

I thought Robbie's brief political insertion as Grammy presentor was just about perfect, pointed but concise and clever enough to keep his image from lapsing into the Sinead O'Connor boorishness zone.--Was it coincidence that Val Kilmer was a co-presentor for the Native American music award? He played a Native American FBI agent in one film and played Jim Morrison in those hokey Indian dream scenes in "The Doors". That movie made me so glad that Oliver Stone didn't direct "The Last Waltz".

Regarding the DVD question, I just bought "Don't Look Back" in DVD format. A 35 year old b&w film that would seem to appeal to Dylan fans only looks like a much less commercially advantageous candidate than The Last Waltz. I'm glad it was available but I'm not sure I understand why.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 21:59:01 CET 2001 from 1cust125.tnt10.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.61.39.125)

HEIDI

BE ADVISED THE NEW LIVE DYLAN LP WILL BE OUT THE BEGINNING OF MARCH .....A LIVE RETRO 1961 TO 2000....GO TO "EXPECTING TO RAIN" FOR ALL THE INFO....

Posted on Thu Feb 22 21:46:48 CET 2001 from proxy-1491.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.221.83)

Carol

WAY TO GO ROBBIE!!!!!!/n I've always loved you and your music, but last night on the Grammy Awards, what you said about our Leonard Peltier was WONDERFUL!!!!!/n Thank you so much, for all of us that work so hard to free our WARRIORS!!!!/n Wado, ~Carol~ Native American Inmates And Families Support Group/nhttp:www.angelfire.com/wy/nainmatessupportgrp/index.html

Posted on Thu Feb 22 21:43:00 CET 2001 from webcacheh13a.cache.pol.co.uk (195.92.67.77)

Bubette Martelli

Hello to all the Band fans out there.

A special hello to the one with the wrist bands, cool shades and twitchy shoulder - he knows who he is!

"Be nice to a drummer, he might be an all right guy"

Excellent web site - more Levon pics please!

Posted on Thu Feb 22 19:56:49 CET 2001 from (12.34.17.217)

Johnny Flippo

Just finished lunch and leisurely scrolling through the picture archives, in particular the Barnburners photos submitted by fans. They're marvelous and most really capture the vitality of the group.

Having said that, is it my imagination, or are Levon and Charlie Watts looking more and more alike as time goes on?

Posted on Thu Feb 22 17:22:21 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

"Does Britannia, when she sleeps, dream?
And is America her dream?"

"...In America, as I apprehend,
Time is the true river that runs round Hell."

--from Thomas Pynchon's "Mason & Dixon"

Following Peter Viney's advice, we begin our Pynchonistic journey and discover that Diamond Lil has descended below the Mason/Dixon line into the warm confines of the South.

Eschewing last night's broadcast of the Grammy awards, I chose other musical pursuits instead. But let me point out that Michael Greene, president of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences, and former resident of Atlanta, is an accomplished jazz pianist who once recorded for a record label operated by a man who made his fortune peddling pornography in the form of peep-show reels. And so it goes that Mr. Greene now speaks out against censorship in the arts of a different nature.

While the Grammy award ceremonies were taking place, I was listening to those true country music pioneers, Buck Owens & the Buckaroos. Add the Buckaroos to the list of artists who have covered a Band song. On their excellent 1970 Capital album, "Rompin and Stompin' ", the Buckaroos (on their own without Buck) do a fine version of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down". It features the wonderful vocals and acoustic guitar licks of the late Don Rich. Mr. Rich, as many will recall, started out as a fiddle player of great ability, who later under the tutelage of his mentor, Buck Owens, became a master of the Telecaster and an amazing harmony singer. More on Buck, Don & the Buckaroos later.

Meanwhile, in the distance, I can hear Diamond Lil singing Muddy Waters' "Deep Down In Florida". And what's this -- Billy Preston & Sam Moore are scheduled for a guest appearance tomorrow (Friday) on Don Imus' syndicated radio show. Get back and hold on, I'm coming back across this river that runs round Hell.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 16:50:33 CET 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

I agree totally with G-man's last post--would have been great to see Robbie playing with BB King---in fact, I wish he'd shelve this Native American passion for awhile & get back to doing what he does best-- playing some great guitar ! It would be really a treat to see him do a collaboration with Clapton, or Hubert Sumlin, or another guitarist of equal talent---maybe Robbie has lost his taste for this type of music--who knows

Posted on Thu Feb 22 14:48:38 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

GREAT honor for Steely Dan!! Robbie did a neat presentation for a noble and worthy cause! Wish he would've jammed at the end(seriously). Where was BB King & Clapton?? A large portion of the announced winners should have been presented live and allowed to perform! Some of the performances were kewl and some were lacking totally! Ah,....it's not like the old days!!!!

Posted on Thu Feb 22 12:25:22 CET 2001 from pppa82-resalefortmyersb1-1r7026.dialinx.net (4.4.52.143)

Diamond Lil

John D: As a card carrying member of Karl Malden's never leaving home without it club, there are no internet cafe's for me. Have my own. Kind of nice to be able to post here from the road. Home is where....the gb is I guess...

John D (again!): Laughed at your suggestion of Jan posting crispy critter photos of me here....Funny how you never wanted to see one with icicles on em (the photos I mean..but you knew that :-)

Ragtime: The whole geriatric portion of my parents community here is now turkey scratching..or perhaps it's just foul itching...?:-)

Have a nice day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 09:50:03 CET 2001 from ipc379af78.dial.wxs.nl (195.121.175.120)

Jan Wouters

Went to the W.S. Walcott Medicine Show in Paradiso Amsterdam last night. Musicians from know Dutch bands came together to do their tribute to The Band. This was SO good. Good singing, good playing. I'm glad I was in the Paradiso Concert Hall last night. Thank you guys!! They're still gigging in Holland this month; look at the CONCERTS page of this site! If you love The Band, don't miss it! Jan.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 09:06:09 CET 2001 from proxy-1901.public.rogers.webtv.net (209.240.218.11)

Barb Wicks

Hi Ronnie, I am really impressed with the web site info, great job.. I saw you and your band in Brockville a few years ago, and it was one great show. Keep on trucking friend...All the best.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 08:34:52 CET 2001 from 1cust234.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.234)

rollie

OK-I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag! I was there for the Turkey Scratch sessions. Yes , I was young, and probably didn't have the proper perspective on what was taking place in front of my eyes, but , nonetheless it happened.One of the most important details from these sessions has been overlooked. Neil Diamond was, in fact, a "player' ,hence his involvement in the Last Waltz years later.(Come on Levon, fess up!!!! You closet Diamond lover you!!!) Elvis Presley was also slated for these sessions, but apparently bagged due to limousine problems!( I think it was a case of Stage Fright personally!!!!!) But the contempt for Robbie didn't end with just a recording session! He was actually burned in effigy in the town square of Woodstock, by the founding members of the V.F.W. club in Helena ,Arkansas, with "his" ashes being scatterd behind the Tinker Street Cafe.(This is all true by the way!!!!) This session has been available on foreign imports for years, so I 'm a bit vexed about the sudden interest.Roosevelt Stadium pales by comparison!In any case, I have copies available for $45.00 bucks a pop,(CD-R). A must for all Band collectors.Sound quality is a bit rough(unintelligible at times!), but trust me, a must have! Dizzy Gillespies work alone make this worth the price of admission. And to think that he took time off a European tour to do it.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 06:14:34 CET 2001 from spider-tf054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.199)

Donna

I could not be any happier to see Steely Dan, win the Grammy tonight! Seeing, Libby Titus there was an added treat! This year was the first time that I actually enjoyed the awards.

I was also happy to see that Robbie, was able to help get the, Native American Indian's musical recognition. It's about time! Now, don't phleme me here, but I thought that Robbie, did a great job presenting the awards! I think he looked pretty darn good too.

Lil, hope you are all having a great time! Bring some of that warm weather back with you, we could sure use it.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 05:09:29 CET 2001 from host-209-214-124-111.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.124.111)

BWNWITennessee

Now Robbie's going to hang with Eminem and his posse.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 04:07:17 CET 2001 from user-33qt8qu.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.94)

Pat Brennan

I would strongly recommend a visit to "Rock's Backpages" through the "What's New " link, expecially the mid-70's interviews/reviews. The RR interview is particularly illuminating.

Posted on Thu Feb 22 02:44:47 CET 2001 from spider-tn062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.72)

butch

WAY to GO, Donald & Walter,, ( Becker & Fagen ,,,,)

STEELY DAN !!!!!!!!!! GRAMMY WINNERS TONIGHT !!! donald lives here in Woodstock most of the time,,,,& is married to Libby Titus,, Amy Helm's mother, ( & he thanked her on TV,, a mensch )

one for us old guys,,,,,,,,,,,

Nice Band connection,,,,,,,,,

Posted on Thu Feb 22 00:42:46 CET 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Well...

I've been listening to Turkey Scratch all week now, and I must say it's really really great but I miss Robbie Robertson's unmistakable fingerprints...

BTW I was told a lady in shorts was spotted in Florida carrying a portable radio. She drove the whole state mad by playing Turkey Scratch all over again... and again... and again... and again...

Posted on Thu Feb 22 00:36:57 CET 2001 from m198214182126.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.182.126)

pehr

Viney does it again!

Posted on Wed Feb 21 23:32:27 CET 2001 from du-tele3-131.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.131)

Peter Viney

Turkey Scratch: the story is all told on the cover of Moondog Matinee, deeply coded in. Robbie is locked inside the café, staring at the juke box which represents Top 20 success. The other four are all outside the café. Levon is wearing a razorbacks T-shirt representing Turkey Scratch. He and Garth are sharing a bottle of coke. Bottle of coke = can of coke = it’s in the can (the record). Rick is researching material in C&W hits, while Richard stands alone smoking. Smokin’. 259 is the number of takes Van Morrison did before he rememberedwho Mose Allison was. Round the corner is that sign saying Records. And the Hawks car. Jook Joint is a reference to Dr John. Eric Clapton is represented by the guitar shop. The congas suggest that Elton John, who always liked a conga, might have been present. See also: Macropedia: Conspiracy theory. US dollar bill, the eye in the pyramid; Paul’s bare feet on the Abbey road crossing and the Stones unique fresh master tape erased by magneticism on the London Underground (subway). Further reading: Thomas Pynchon.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 22:53:22 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

LIL.....when I say "put 'em up on the web"......of course I mean pictures.........but you knew that :) :) :)

Posted on Wed Feb 21 22:50:06 CET 2001 from dhcp215124.sunyocc.edu (198.242.215.124)

Kicking Horse (chief of the Fucowies)

Grammy Awards/Native American nominees? Joanne Schenandoah/ Oneida Tribe. There shouldn't be any other choice... She's very good. And. she is a friend of Ray Halbiters;(he's chief of the Turningstone Casino)

Posted on Wed Feb 21 22:49:48 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

DIAMOND LIL?

Just curious. Are you travelling with a laptop or going into one of those cyber cafes? Great to hear from you on the road. Don't get a sunburn; but if you do let's have Jan put 'em up on the site :)

Posted on Wed Feb 21 22:41:44 CET 2001 from dhcp215124.sunyocc.edu (198.242.215.124)

Kicking Horse

DOC? Yeah you Doc. Are You out there? Don't hear from you much anymor. Now that Ricks gone we don't travel anywhere.. How about a road show one of tese weekends. i will be headin west soon to take up my annual spring ritual in the high country of the rockies; commune with nature, ski my brains out and drink large quantities of local brews in the bright sunshine.. Reap the Rewards. Levon/Schanectady!! What do you say pal.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 22:14:20 CET 2001 from pool-63.52.224.97.ipls.grid.net (63.52.224.97)

Bobby Jones

I've been looking into the Turkey Scratch Recordings.

1. First of all for any of this to make sense we need a time that everyone,(except Robbie)was in the studio together and in shape to record.

2. We have to be post Stagefright. 3. We need access to a studio.

4. We need Robbie to be out of the area.

5. We need Mac Rebbenack in Woodstock and in a studio.

6.We need access to the The Woodstock Theater.

Possible Answers:

The Studio had to be Bearville, that's easy and the recording equipment at the Woodstock Theater had to come from Bearsville. The timing that makes sense is Fall of 1971/Winter of 1972 and here's why.

1. Robbie went away to Montreal.

2. Rick and John Simon were producing the Bobby Charles record, on the Bearsville label which would give them the control to Record at Woodstock Theater and get recording equipment there. 3. Levon, Rick, Richard, Garth and Mac Rebbenack were all in the same studio, without Robbie to work on Bobby's Album. So we have all five together in the studio.

Could these actually be outtakes from what I'll call The Bobby Charles sessions?

1. First of all Rick would have the control that was needed to put it together.

2. In Levon's book(Page 235)he makes mention of some workshop tapes that didn't pan out from this period.

3. I really doubt the Band could have gone 18 months without playing together.

4.If these sessions were recorded it is more likely these songs were just a few Friends getting together to play with each other.

With these performers most of the wonderful shows that have been played have never been recorded, and that is the real shame of this whole thing.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 21:53:58 CET 2001 from www-cache-external.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.196.201)

Amanda

I enjoyed Peter Viney’s essay Influences on The Band: Folk Connections. One minor point: Having just read Richard Thompson’s biography I can report that apparently it was Rick Danko who wanted Richard Thompson to join the Band after Robbie left but “some of the other guys” disagreed. From a musical perspective it is our loss however one can see there may have been some lifestyle clashes if he had joined The Band- apparently RT’s idea of relaxation on tour is a good game of mini golf /Scrabble and chats about Islamic philosophy. (And why not?)

Posted on Wed Feb 21 21:31:19 CET 2001 from spider-wl014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.24)

butch

sorry,,,,, the Rainforest is the 6th,,NOT the 7th,

thanks to Richard for the correction,,,, sorry for any confusion,,,,,,,,, bd

Posted on Wed Feb 21 21:09:30 CET 2001 from user-33qtaao.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.169.88)

Pat Brennan

Before everyone gets all upset about the Grammy Awards, remember that the following worthies all have won one: The Starland Vocal Band, A-Ha, Men At Work, Andy Williams....

The Grammy Awards have always been more likely to revel in pop trends than something like the Oscars. After all, it's really just another reason to sell commercial space.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 19:51:15 CET 2001 from spider-tl083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.213)

bob wigo

For what it's worth:

I highly recommend browsing through "Rock's Backpages". There are some interesting articles and interviews in the "library" section.

Enjoy !

Posted on Wed Feb 21 19:16:49 CET 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

pehr

John Donabie- I love that Butter album. in addition to "Get it Together Again" I'd say "Number 9" has one of the most inspiring harp solos I'll ever hear. The guitar player on that record, Ralph Wash, has a beautiful distinctive style. I've often wondered who he was and where from and where now. Anyone know?

Posted on Wed Feb 21 19:05:01 CET 2001 from spider-wj041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.36)

butch

another FYI,,,, Music Lovers ,,,,,,,,,

Jimmy Vivino, along with Will Lee & Anton Fig will be "backing up" Sam Moore & (old Band friend ) BILLY PRESTON,,,,@ B.B.King's club, in NYC,,, this Sat night,, the 24th of Feb,,,,

Ill be there,, will you ???????????? gonna be good to see Billy again,,, in good condition,,,

also dont forget Levon @ The Rainforest Benefit,,,,NYC,,, march 7th,,,,,,,,,,,,

see ya there ???????????? stellar lineup,,,, bd

Posted on Wed Feb 21 19:00:39 CET 2001 from (205.232.51.112)

Dave Hopkins

Tiny Montgomery:

I believe the answer to questions (1) and (2) is Richard Manuel.

(Undoubtedly more knowledgeable GBers will correct me if I'm wrong!)

Posted on Wed Feb 21 18:44:53 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

I was just guessing about Robbie presenting the Native American award, but it seems to make sense. This is the first year of the award, and he has been lobbying for its inclusion for some years. I know Robbie's "networking" abilities is made fun of here, but it was put to very good use here. This category is long overdue.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 15:28:11 CET 2001 from ulab33.med.gu.se (130.241.86.163)

Markku (Quos)

Just a short note that Roy Buchanan's biography will be out June 9 2001, according to Amazon.

Rock's Backpages, quite a lot to check out.

Jan, would it be useful to archive old "What's New?" pages? Sometimes I find myself looking for something I originally saw there, and not being able to find it. I think access to those old pages could be useful (or is it just me?).

Posted on Wed Feb 21 15:27:13 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Thanks Boones. Seriously, I will watch because the category is very worthy. Also, DO, appreciate RR's work for the Native American cause. Finally, must say all the other crap will be tuff to take-M & M, Sisko, In Sink, etc.....I just wondering if this "Designer Music" crap is real or a price I'm paying for 60's & 70's living better through chemistry???? This must be a punish ment flashback!!! Crabby see's the future!!!! RR corners market on all fees for PRESENTERS!!!!!

Posted on Wed Feb 21 13:45:06 CET 2001 from pppa65-resalefortmyers1-4r7293.dialinx.net (4.48.115.126)

Diamond Lil

Aah....nothing like sitting in shorts...and looking out the window and seeing no snow! Haven't seen green grass in months...

Listening to"DFA" here and having my morning coffee.Life is good.

Have a nice day everyone. Hug Miwa..and of course...one to the big guy...Jan :-)

Posted on Wed Feb 21 13:19:24 CET 2001 from netcachesyd3.ozemail.com.au (203.108.0.59)

Matt Disney

Greetings from Oz! This is a fantastic site guys,thank you. regards, Matt Disney-Vocal Arts Studio

Posted on Wed Feb 21 09:22:31 CET 2001 from spider-wm052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.172)

Stephen W Novik

Klaatu -- another Canadian band on Capitol Records!

Posted on Wed Feb 21 07:48:04 CET 2001 from 1cust162.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.162)

Crabgrass

This hoax thing reminds me of a supposed pre-release review of a non-existent Dylan album called "Holyland" which appeared in the radical hippie weekly the East Village Other during Dylan's involvement with the Sam Pekinpah movie "Pat Garret and Billy the Kid" - which pretty much stunk (stinked?) btw. Dylan had recently visited Israel and photos of him visiting the Wailing Wall and wearing a yarmulka had been published in the press.

I remember that the "reviewer" said one of the songs was called "Sam, Sam, Sam!" and started with the line "Shoot a chicken through the neck, show me the way to the nearest Aztec." which is actually pretty plausible for a Dylan line and relates to a scene in the film. I wish I still had the article (which was a full page and illustrated with a photo of the Wailing Wall) as it was quite funny but unfortunately my entire collection of EVOs was set on fire by a disgruntled ex-girlfriend. I'm hoping some GBer can find a copy in his or her attic!!

I am elated to hear that Robbie's career as a professional presenter is going full steam ahead!! I hope he will eventually receive an award for his achievements as a presenter and get to present it to himself.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 06:51:24 CET 2001 from spider-tm021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.51)

Dave Z

Bobbi: Do a search on "Robbie Robertson" at the Grammy website, and you will find what you are looking for I think... I also did a search through CDNOW, which is running a Grammy Sale, and scrowing down found out the nominees... Hopefully RR will have something witty to say...

Posted on Wed Feb 21 06:20:45 CET 2001 from spider-tm084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.84)

Bayou Sam

Pat Brennan = KLAATU! ...man, I haven't thought of that hoax in ages. I do have the album somewhere. It wasn't bad.

I'm reminded of a single I have too that was supposed to be the Bee Gees and the Beatles together. It was a song called "Have You Heard The Word", by The Fut. It was an amusing tune that certainly could pass for what the rumors claimed it to be.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 06:05:11 CET 2001 from 209-69-102-154.hsacorp.net (209.69.102.154)

Bobbi

Bones, I went to the Grammy site, and found no listing for a Native American award. I know the lack of such a category was talked about at the Nammies (I remember they made fun of the fact that there is actually a POLKA category, but none for native music?!). If the Grammy folks did decide to add a N/A category, I wonder why it's not on their site?

Posted on Wed Feb 21 05:27:09 CET 2001 from parachute2-156-40-65-92.net.nih.gov (156.40.65.92)

Jonathan Katz

I was up at 2:00 a.m. last night trying to meet a deadline. To keep myself awake I was listening to "Paint The Daytime Black" at high volume. Disk 1 has a generous helping of the boys without Zimmy. Somewhere in the middle of this set is "King Harvest." The closing guitar solo is incredible [and not in the Watkins Glen sense]! If this were not a boot, I'd have to think that some studio trick was responsible.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 03:42:57 CET 2001 from user-33qt8dj.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.179)

Pat Brennan

Oops, one more Band connection. The whole thing was dreamed up by that great purveyor of myth, Greil Marcus, and someone named Bruce Miroff.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 03:37:02 CET 2001 from user-33qt8dj.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.179)

Pat Brennan

Dexy, as referenced earlier, the album was called the Masked Marauders--Lennon, Jagger, McCartney, Harrison, Dylan (The Band connection), an unnamed drummer, and produced by Al Kooper. A second Band connection? Recorded in a small town near the original Hudson Bay Company. First single: Jagger's lead vocal on "I Can't Get No Nookie."

Posted on Wed Feb 21 02:35:14 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

An old friend of The Band's; but not Band related. I was going over a number of Paul Butterfield sites last night looking for what I call "The Lost Album." It's not really lost....just never released on CD and rarely talked about. Does anyone else still have the double Paul Butterfield Live (recorded at The Troubador Album…produced by Todd Rundgren) from 1970?

I think it's one of my favorite live albums. There's a track called "Get Together Again" with Butter on keyboards. Awesome. I wish Warner would release it on CD. Thanks for your indulgence.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 02:15:36 CET 2001 from pool-63.49.28.220.mmph.grid.net (63.49.28.220)

Dexy

"Turkey Scratch" is reminiscent of Rolling Stone's classic "review" of an album in '69 or so that was the result of a secret session including John&Paul, Mick&Keith,Dylan and a few other icons of the time. No Band members, I don't think, however. My favorite part of "TS": Van Morrison in a "giddy" mood. Now, that's something that would be great to see and hear.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 01:48:03 CET 2001 from host-209-214-113-27.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.113.27)

BWNWITennessee

Has anyone seen the cover of the new Rolling Stone, with the DMB? Look familiar? They have the top hat, now all they need's an upright piano.

I forgot (read "didn't know") the Grammys are tomorrow. I had plans to go out, now I'll have to stay till Robbie's on. I don't care about the rest. Actually, I wonder if they'll even present that award on the telecast, or beforehand.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 01:21:43 CET 2001 from spider-te073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.208)

matt

does anybody have a copy of "even if it's a pig" from the basement tapes. i've been looking all over for it and i've had no luck.

Posted on Wed Feb 21 01:12:27 CET 2001 from (206.187.219.39)

lauren

Thanks for the info on Robbie being the presenter of a Native American award on the Grammies! Can't wait! For that tribute alone, I'll be a watchin'! Best and good luck to all music people everywhere! lauren

Posted on Tue Feb 20 23:13:04 CET 2001 from (38.161.244.20)

Tiny Montgomery

A few questions/observations that arose during my latest Basement Tapes binge:

(1) Is that Levon playing harp on See That My Grave Is Kept Clean?

(2) The goofy voice on All American Boy and Teenage Prayer is Robbie, right?

(3) Royal Canal is one of my favorite songs of all time. I love the verse about the female prison.

Posted on Tue Feb 20 23:07:39 CET 2001 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

Kalervo

Forgive me for being here so often...Bones: There are Annual Nammy awards, too. Native American Music Awards...so much interesting music. Go to web page above...

Posted on Tue Feb 20 21:03:23 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

For all you Robbie fans out there (and G-MAN I mean you), he is listed as one of the presenters in tomorrow night's Grammy Awards. My guess is that he will give out the first ever Native American award (newly added this year).

Posted on Tue Feb 20 20:32:55 CET 2001 from (4.20.68.20)

Rich

Been offline for a few days, but wondered if anyone else made it to Tribeca Blues Friday night to see Levon, Louie, the Electrix, etc. Great show! Buddy Cage from New Riders on pedal steel and Michael Falzarano (I think that's his name) from Hot Tuna were terrific. The professor, who was wearing his Garth t-shirt, said he thought Garth's album would be out in June or July.

Haven't seen any mention of it here, but Levon, Keb Mo, Dr. John, Gatemouth Brown, SS Johnny and others will be headlining the Rainforest show at the Beacon on March 6. Just called Ticketmaster, and tix are $50 and $70.

Posted on Tue Feb 20 20:25:58 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

This is from an article today. Sometimes their ain't no pardon....

What? No Pardon For Ry Cooder?

While some of former President Clinton's last legislative initiatives were held up by the newly installed Bush administration, Clinton and Madeline Albright were able to facilitate permission from the State Department for producer Ry Cooder to return to Cuba in January. Cooder was actually fined $25,000 by the Treasury Department in 2000 for failing to obtain a license for the 1996 trip that spawned the Buena Vista Social Club album. Initially, Cooder's application had been rejected days before he was to leave for Cuba to record an album with Manuel Galb‡n, but Clinton interceded on Cooder's behalf. Cooder is scheduled to go back to Cuba in March to begin work on BVSC singer Ibrahim Ferrer's next album.

Posted on Tue Feb 20 18:53:50 CET 2001 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Jim Eppard, thanks for the nice post, & congratulations on the studio!

Posted on Tue Feb 20 17:06:53 CET 2001 from (206.224.31.10)

Little Brøther

The "Turkey Scratch" sessions read like an episode from a Band biopic screenplay by Oliver Stone. Ah, that fine line between spreading manure and myth-making! Perhaps its an example of hit-or-myth journalism...

"(U)nion man", you'll find that no unkind word about ANY Band tune will go unrebuked. Even lobbing cow patties at an unhinged barn door like "The Moon Struck One" will arouse its defenders. Which is OK; it's a symptom of how deeply the Band's work evokes the passions of its devotees. Don't let the counterpoint drive you off.

But a word of advice: If you had problems with "It Makes No Difference"-- for your own sake, do not-- I say DO NOT-- attempt to listen to "Islands". I mean the entire album, not just the title track. There are redeeming elements, but if the litmus paper of "It Makes No Difference" turned blue on you, chances are "Islands" will render you either apoplectic or comatose.

Posted on Tue Feb 20 16:33:06 CET 2001 from user-33qt92o.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.88)

Pat Brennan

Ahhh, the daily dose....

Posted on Tue Feb 20 15:40:00 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Bones, ya got that right. But, like a baby fly first gettin exposure to horse crap---then he's right on it---is what I meant re. RR.

Posted on Tue Feb 20 15:30:01 CET 2001 from 1cust83.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.112.83)

Crow

its been a long time since I have posted anything here but there is (finally) some news to share.

About a year or so before Rick passed from us my partner & I bought the farm in Saugerties where Rick, Elizabeth & Justin had been living for the last 10 or 12 years. Our plan was to construct a building to house our recording studio (Applehead) which had been located across town at a rented space in Bearsville. I'm very pleased to say that it is done and fully functional ( that is to say that sessions are booked - I don't think it will ever be actually 'done'). This project represents more than 2 years out of my life (I handled much of the actual design & most of the construction personally). After working all day I would often drive over to NRS studio to work on Rick's record with the Crowmatix.

I would like to publically thank Rick, Garth, Levon and everyone associated with their organization for their inspiration and the oportunities they gave to me. The 9 gigs I did with the Band while Rick was (ahem) held over in Japan were some of the most amazing experiences I've ever had. Working with Rick on Times Like These was more than inspirational. I'll never forget the encouragement Rick gave to me. I think of him often and I really believe that the music of the Band will live forever.

Jim Eppard

Posted on Tue Feb 20 15:15:53 CET 2001 from 209-23-50-173.ip.termserv.net (209.23.50.173)

Diamond Lil

Since I won't be here at high noon...here it is Miwa... Just a bit early. "Hoodie Hoo!" :-)

Have a good day everyone. Me and the kids will be on a plane shortly.. possibly passing over some of your homes. We'll wave :-)

Posted on Tue Feb 20 15:03:12 CET 2001 from as18.infoflex.com.au (203.23.250.57)

Fritz

A question for the folks who live in or near Woodstock. Is there a club called The Elephant still in existence?

Posted on Tue Feb 20 14:24:38 CET 2001 from 213.237.67.159.adsl.by.worldonline.dk (213.237.67.159)

HANK

I Love "It Makes No Difference"............A Beautiful piece of work.......One day I'm gonna record my own version of it with my Band-buddies.............it won't be as good as The Band.........but it'll be my own version. I'm gonna record "Twilight", too........another Beauty.........I've actually recorded and released my own version of "A Deuce and a Quarter"............check out the web-site above for details..........getting back to The DVD of TLW............. Seriously, if RR, Levon and Garth put up a united front...........it would happen.................that's my opinion, anyway

Posted on Tue Feb 20 13:48:03 CET 2001 from f-dialin-2006.addcom.de (62.96.147.86)

Henrik Voigt

Hi, really great site. Someone must have a lot of time. Very fine.

Posted on Tue Feb 20 13:37:03 CET 2001 from hvc-24-164-175-110.hvc.rr.com (24.164.175.110)

Tom/Woodstock Records

Hi All !

Just a quick note : For those in the tri-state area,

PROFESSOR LOUIE & THE CROWMATIX will be at:

BORDERS BOOKS & MUSIC

Friday - Feb.23rd,2001

8:00 -10:00 pm

60 South Broadway (in the Westchester Pavilion)

in White Plains, NY

Info : 914-421-1112

There may have been some confusion with advertising or listings.

Please make note. Apologies for any inconvenience.

Regards,

Tom from Woodstock Records

Posted on Tue Feb 20 05:55:41 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.182)

Donna

"The Road From Turkey Scratch," was the best fairy tale that I have ever read, since I last read "Alice in Wonderland," to my children. I do have to give credit where credit is due, I never laughed so hard reading such fiction! Maybe, Elton John, will send me a copy of his copy!

"It Makes No Difference," is one of my favorite songs, and my teenaged daughter, also listens to it over and over. That has to say something! The way Garth, plays the sax, in that song, is just mesmerizing.

Butch, mentioned Little Feat, a few threads ago. If anyone is interested, they will be playing at the Trump Marina Casino, on May 26th. To check tour dates for Little Feat, their website address is www.littlefeat.net.

Posted on Tue Feb 20 05:34:57 CET 2001 from proxy3-external.vron1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.86)

Rose Robertson (No relation to Robbie!!)

I am so glad to have found this site. I have been a Band FANatic for the past 19 years. I am totally addicted to this site. Peace, Rose

Posted on Tue Feb 20 04:39:21 CET 2001 from user-33qt97o.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.248)

Pat Brennan

Stage Fright was recorded at the end of May and into June of 1970. The group then joined up with the Festival Express, the first show being June 28. A week after the last show--mid-July-- they're on the West Coast for a bunch of gigs. Stage Fright comes out in August and they tour to support it. I have trouble with the timing of this supposed Turkey Scratch set. Klaatu anyone??

Posted on Tue Feb 20 04:24:53 CET 2001 from spider-to062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.72)

butch

HEY BUTCH... Would you please ask "Brother Lee" about "The Road From Turkey Scratch" -----------

to quote Levon, from Rock & Roll Shoes,,,

,,,,,,"that's a buncha shit"

cmon, ya dont really think its real,,,,,, do ya ?

Posted on Tue Feb 20 03:23:54 CET 2001 from 209-23-38-29.ip.termserv.net (209.23.38.29)

Diamond Lil

Hmm.. I happen to really _love_ "It Makes No Difference".. and always have. I think Garth is wonderful on it...and Rick's voice..well..no need to say more. Brings tears to my eyes everytime.

Tired and going to bed now. Have a nice night everyone. Hug Hug Hug Jan :-)

Posted on Tue Feb 20 03:13:44 CET 2001 from spider-tq082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.82)

Dave ~ the drummer

HEY BUTCH...

Would you please ask "Brother Lee" about "The Road From Turkey Scratch" ? I'd like to know what he has to say about this purportedly ficticious event. All you GBer's may call me gullible but I find more than a shred of truth in the article by Mr. Persson. In any event, I found it enjoyable reading.

I BRAKE FOR THE BAND '86

DW

Posted on Tue Feb 20 02:34:50 CET 2001 from modem-101-28-60-62.vip.uk.com (62.60.28.101)

union man

People keep talking about "It Makes No Difference". I was so disappointed when I first heard it just before Christmas last. Garth Hudson has to make it sound like an end of the pier show, and Robbie Robertson should just have been shot.Christ Almighty: for a bunch who made the perfect record they couldn't half turn some stinkers in. Moondog Matinee is unlistenable.

Posted on Tue Feb 20 02:27:09 CET 2001 from spider-wk032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.162)

Tommy

It's getting strange in here...

Posted on Tue Feb 20 00:30:31 CET 2001 from m198214182084.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.182.84)

pehr

"I keep drinkin malted milk tryin to keep my blues away..."

Posted on Mon Feb 19 22:11:44 CET 2001 from du-tele3-104.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.104)

Peter Viney

Hey! Some guy from Togo just e-mailed me offering “Road to Turkey Scratch” CDRs for $50 each! The only condition was to send cash in used dollar bills to a PO Box number. Well. I’m going to fool that sucker! I’m sending him the cash for ten, and when they arrive I’ll auction them on ebay at twice the price! Bet he never thought of that.

Over to my good friend, the Robertsonian Professor of Literary Criticism at Waverley University in Salterton. He points out that Nancy has made the most incisive comment (from a Robertsonian viewpoint). As she says, deep-down Persson’s story is about how sour milk destroys a partnership, and that as a result you lose access to your own musical heritage. The professor is making the assumption that “sourness” as a quality applies to both human behaviour and food in more languages than just English. He reads “sour milk” as a Scandinavian version of “sour grapes.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 22:08:42 CET 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Twilight: thanks for the tip on that "All the King's Men" tribute CD. It's actually out-of-print now, but I managed to track one down today.

Another Fred Neil connection to The Band would be old buddy of the guys, John Sebastian. He and another old Village folk-rocker, Jesse Colin Young, were both Fred Neil followers (Jesse recorded a great version of "The Dolphin" with the Youngbloods).

Posted on Mon Feb 19 21:58:16 CET 2001 from user-33qtafk.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.169.244)

Pat Brennan

Oh, I think most eveyone here is tired of the border war, everyone except a few diehards.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 20:48:56 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

I was going to write about all the holes in the "Turkey Scratch" story, but clearly everyone here has mostly done that for me. I agree with G-MAN...it's great fiction. Although G-MAN has the wrong idea about the Scorsese/Robertson relationship, Scorsese was the one in the beginning who was much more of a fan of Robbie's than vice-versa. Marty knew random verses to random songs on random albums by the Band. My guess is that Robbie at that time never saw Boxcar Bertha or Italianamerican.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 20:42:31 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Nice to see Fred Neil mentioned in the guestbook. When a young Bob Dylan first migrated to New York City in the early '60s, Fred Neil was already an established performer on the "folk" scene. Mr. Neil was one of the first to acknowlege Dylan's talent and used to let Dylan sit in a play harmonica with him for a couple of bucks a night at the Cafe Wha?

Posted on Mon Feb 19 20:20:23 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

TNTTODD, hmmm!!! Now I don't know for fact, but I feel Levon would say-GREAT to someone coverin a Band song. Now Robbie, he'd be kissin butt, etc. and followin JB and BD around tellin how great JB's version is, etc.. Ya know, like him following Marty around for the big movie break in*********CARNEY************************!!

Posted on Mon Feb 19 19:13:59 CET 2001 from pm452-26.dialip.mich.net (204.39.226.132)

Twilight

Hello Band fans. I've had some time to listen to music lately. Recovering from gallbladder surgery, which is a sinch these days compared to what it was, from what I hear. Made it through on cherry popsicles, strawberry jello, and morphine. Anyway, the track I'm most interested in these days is "Duece And A Quarter" off the tribute/whatever by Scotty Moore and D.J. Fontana (Elvis' Band). The song pairs Keith Richards with The Band, a nice duet between Levon & Keith. It's a great tune, wondering what people think of it. It was recorded fairly recently - it's got a great groove. I wondered if Keith ever hug out with Richard. They seem connected to me in some way. It's great to see that Carmen still interprets any slight toward Robbie as some sort of personal attack. The corresponding article makes me think I have the tape somewehere. I got a few days to recover - I'm always checking in here.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 19:11:40 CET 2001 from pm452-26.dialip.mich.net (204.39.226.132)

maple@milan.k12.mi.us

Hello Band fans. I've had some time to listen to music lately. Recovering from gallbladder surgery, which is a sinch these days compared to what it was, from what I hear. Made it through on cherry popsicles, strawberry jello, and morphine. Anyway, the track I'm most interested in these days is "Duece And A Quarter" off the tribute/whatever by Scotty Moore and D.J. Fontana (Elvis' Band). The song pairs Keith Richards with The Band, a nice duet between Levon & Keith. It's a great tune, wondering what people think of it. It was recorded fairly recently - it's got a great groove. I wondered if Keith ever hug out with Richard. They seem connected to me in some way. It's great to see that Carmen still interprets any slight toward Robbie as some sort of personal attack. The corresponding article makes me think I have the tape somewehere. I got a few days to recover - I'm always checking in here.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 19:05:46 CET 2001 from spider-tk064.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.204)

Hollow Roy

What a comet ride to hear Fred neil's name again. I think I lost my "Dolphins" album some years ago in an unfortunate garage sale accident. -- A little known (and little cared about) factoid is that, before Harry Nillson's success with the song "Everybody's Talkin'", it was recorded by Spanky and Our Gang under the title "Echoes". A proud moment for any artist, to have his material arbitrarily altered for pop consumption.

Which brings up the question: What did the members of The Band think of Joan Baez's "TNTDODD" ?

I thought I saw the beginnings of a Crossfire forum here between the Levonistas and the Robertsonians. Please resume fire; that would be interesting reading.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 18:45:58 CET 2001 from dax42.revealed.net (208.16.227.185)

Mike

Thank you to those who recommended the recent Band albums. I purchased Jericho and Best of Vol II this morning. Both are solid albums. In time, I'll love them as I love everything else by The Band. It make sme wonder what this material sounded like live! Peace. Mike

Posted on Mon Feb 19 18:36:35 CET 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

Was up in Maine this past weekend and stopped into the local Newbury Comics location in Portland-- was surprised to see the amount of Band cd's available-- All the latest Breeze Hill & Woodstock record releases from Rick Danko, Levon & Crowmatix right on the shelves-- was great to see--also the Canadian "Best" of the 3 disc across the great divide box set--Jericho, High on the Hog, Jubilation-- all the stuff you dont normally see on the racks---- way to go Portland

Posted on Mon Feb 19 18:29:41 CET 2001 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

Kalervo

Fred Neil is/was a real cult figure, really excellent singer and songwriter. His 'Dolphins' is one my favorite songs of all time (his own version or Tim Buckley' s). Dolphins, I think, have been his main intrest for years and I remember he wrote something about them in MOJO over a year ago...You can see his influence in many artists, Greg Brown, Eric Peltoniemi for example...

Posted on Mon Feb 19 17:23:05 CET 2001 from on-tor-blr-ahp-13-44.look.ca (209.161.237.44)

Wittgenstein

Here's your Fred Neil - Band connection, however tenuous. Vince Martin, who sang at Rick Danko's funeral, recorded an album in the early sixties with Fred Neil titled "Tear Down The Walls". It was Neil's debut record. Fred Neil was finally made available on cd format last year with the release of a double cd which basically had three album's worth of this talented, admired, and reclusive artist's work. There was no newly recorded material. Fred Neil has seemingly dropped out of the music scene.

"Banking off of a northeast wind, sailing on a summer breeze, skipping over the ocean like a stone. I won't let you leave my love behind." - Everybody's Talkin' At Me

Posted on Mon Feb 19 15:46:18 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-th052.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.42)

Kevin

jhwygirl, Orchestra Section LFT, Row N, Seat 49, The Band and the Cate Bros. all for the low price of $11.75. The 1983 reunion tape may shake loose a few memories of the show as it did for me, particularly the "Blaze of Glory" finale. I had forgotten all about that.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 14:41:57 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Great fiction, although some descriptions of RR are on the money!$!

Posted on Mon Feb 19 13:21:49 CET 2001 from 209-23-38-42.ip.termserv.net (209.23.38.42)

Diamond Lil

Not sure why anbody would want to "show" anyone...the story is obviously a work of drug or alcohol induced fiction.. or else a wild imagination. Made me laugh though.

"You can't believe everything you hear....and only half of what you see"...

Off to work here. Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 12:08:43 CET 2001 from 43.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.43)

Carmen

I would think if Levon, Rick, Garth and Richard really wanted to show RR, they would have gotten together an recorded songs written by Levon....-Oh! I forgot.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 10:50:02 CET 2001 from ti33a64-0042.dialup.online.no (130.67.171.42)

Trine-Lise

Hi!I was just wondering if anyone knew who Levi James and Jack Seeley was,well is it anyone who knows? And who is the Band?? -Trine_

Posted on Mon Feb 19 08:13:24 CET 2001 from spider-wm052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.172)

Bayou Sam

How covenient that this guy dosen't have his tape anymore

Hey, how about one of you people on the inside run this story past Levon or Garth and tell us how hard they laugh.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 07:34:14 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-24-131.maine.rr.com (66.30.24.131)

mattk

But boy...that article is every Levonista's wet dream, eh?

Posted on Mon Feb 19 07:33:16 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-24-131.maine.rr.com (66.30.24.131)

mattk

I know for a fact that Lennart is fibbing.

I have it on good authority that the the trilateral commission had buried all known copies of "'Turkey Scratch" in the "grave of the unknown templar" in France outside fo Rennes-le-Chateau.

There have been rumors that both Jim Morrison and Bruce Lee hold copies, but according to unnamed sources, Elvis actually confiscated them and fed them back to the Prieure de Sion via his connections with the aliens of planet NekTabARsoME....

Posted on Mon Feb 19 06:43:35 CET 2001 from c5300-4-ip198.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.227.198)

miwa

Oh my! I had no idea that the time around the album Stage Fright was The Band’s perhaps darkest, most paranoia-driven period, as stated by Sweden’s Lennart Persson. Sorry, folks, but if this guy really did interview Dr. John in the conditions he described, he should be completely ashamed of himself. How rude to bug Dr. John while he’s trying to sleep anyway. I’m afraid Lennart must’ve taken notes of someone’s dream. He, himself, said the doctor was asleep and drugged at the time. I wouldn’t presume that Dr. John even spoke to this person in the first place. Even if he did, we can surely tell that Lennart is dreaming a dream of his own. Scratch that turkey! er.....uh.....I mean........

Posted on Mon Feb 19 06:26:30 CET 2001 from proxy-1471.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.221.67)

Ed Blayzor

Mike i personally think all 3 cd`s are worh owning, i would buy Jubilation first. I think its the best of the 3 and ranks up there with the first 3 albums.the whole group really shines on Jubilation especially Rick.But that is just my opinion.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 06:20:52 CET 2001 from spider-wm052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.172)

Bayou Sam

Mike = IMHO, you should get the "newer" Band CD's - and this is the order I would put them in = Jubilation, Jericho, and High on the Hog.

Rest In Peace Dale Earnhardt.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 05:42:46 CET 2001 from zorg176.revealed.net (208.243.237.176)

Mike

Hello. I was wondering if Jericho, High On the Hog and Jubilation are worth owning? I love The Band but have never heard the more recent material. Which of these should I get first? Or should I start with The Best Of Vol. II? Any help would be most appreciated. Peace. Mike

Posted on Mon Feb 19 05:16:27 CET 2001 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.16.201)

longdistanceoperator

a hypnotist

fancy talker

ruben remus ain't no doctor!

Posted on Mon Feb 19 03:50:57 CET 2001 from jaxn3t01-du120.onewest.net (199.104.80.120)

jhwygirl

I was going through some old junk this weekend - Dare I say Spring is in the air? - and I came across my stash of concert stubs from my pre-Dead years. Found a stub from November 2, 1983, from a Stanley Theatre appearance of The Band. As hard as I tried to remember, I had absolutely NO memory of being there! How can that be? Shows ya what kind of fog I was walking around in, I guess....I always thought that the only time I had been lucky enough to see the guys play (most of 'em) was in Big Sky in 1994.....

So I guess I want to ask: Was anyone here at the show? I'm off to the archives to see if there is a tape available that I might try and find...setlist....Kinda makes me sad that I don't remember, but I'm sure I had a good time, right?

Hope you all had a great weekend. Peace.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 03:17:42 CET 2001 from scar.iinet.net.au (203.59.210.8)

Nancy

Lennart Persson's article is intriguing and adds to the mystique of what was happening within The Band at the time. Although there is speculation that it may not be true, there is one clear and accurate message in it.........

Always be nice to your partner no matter what they are doing to you!! Or if you can't help shouting and pouring sour milk over him/her, lock up your music collection first.

Posted on Mon Feb 19 00:31:27 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.168)

Bayou Sam

It's not true - I've never posted here in my life.

Actually BWNWITenn makes a good point that I thunk too. If Levon had a chance to put the screws to RR it seems highly unlikely that he would pass it up.

Posted on Sun Feb 18 19:35:46 CET 2001 from host-209-214-114-142.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.114.142)

BWNWITennessee

I have to agree that if the Turkey Scratch story was true, that SOME mention of it SOMEWHERE by SOMEONE would have come out before. And what reason would Levon have to keep it all a big secret now? If there was anything he could say to make Robbie look bad, don't you think he'd say it? Unfortunately, now that it's out, it's one of those stories that can't be proven wrong, so like UFOs, the conspiracy theorists are always going to believe that it could possibly be true.

Dr. John told ME that this whole site was created and is run by Levon Helm in an attempt to discredit Robbie Robertson, and that in fact there are really only three guestbook posters - me, Bayou Sam, and Levon Helm under various handles, slandering Robbie. Oh, and Crabgrass, who is in fact really Elvis P.

Posted on Sun Feb 18 18:15:15 CET 2001 from (194.255.109.214)

HANK

I heard ya BAYOU SAM!!!!!!!!.........I'm still here in Coopenhagen...........listenin' to Turkey Scratch.........it's on in all the bars..........DAVID POWELL......I enjoyed what you wrote about Dylan and The Stones and Dino.....but di'ja ever notice how Keef sorta BECAME the Dino of Rock'n'Roll?................PETER VINEY....Your reasons for NOT releasing TLW DVD are well put and quite real..........however,if RR Levon and Garth made a united front.......those people who would have reservations, ie the other artists etc., would probably cooperate with 'em.............and maybe we could find out for sure why George Harrison did'nt go..................probably and F1 meeting or something...Maybe they know over there at ATMP.com Using this funky cyber cafe computer I was able to download some of the vids on this site REALLY quick........far out!!......Thanks, JAN!!!!!.............Rick looks beautiful and sounds beautiful on The Highway 61 clips........Hey!!!11 Did anyone notice that in The Rolling Stone piece on Pops Staples there was no mention of The band or TLW.......for shame!!.........See ya later!!!!!!

Posted on Sun Feb 18 17:41:23 CET 2001 from user-33qta31.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.168.97)

Tap Nannerb

While the Masked Marauders were recording just a few hours to the north....

Posted on Sun Feb 18 13:40:42 CET 2001 from du-tele3-019.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.19)

Peter Viney

Lennart Persson’s article was fun reading for a Sunday morning. So is it fiction composed by Persson, fiction bullshitted by Dr John, hugely distorted fact (Dr John’s half-recollections of later jams), a party political broadcast on behalf of the Levonista Party or is it fact? Read and discuss, I guess. I’ll throw in a couple of points.

The device of the rambling stoned narrator, lying on a bed, unwittingly letting out the deep secret is one that was common in 19th century literature – the untraceable authentic source. The lost tape of a tape adds to it. Nicely done fictive devices, applied with skill, I suspect.

How come neither Levon (in This Wheel’s on Fire) or Dr John (in Under a Hoodoo moon) spilled the beans before? The good doctor dishes a lot of dirt in his book, as does Levon, so why the sudden restraint? It’s too tantalizing a story not to have used.

So, they not only thought up the idea for Moondog Matinee but the Last Waltz too?

Why would Rick rather than Richard have sung Please, Please, Please? And Richard rather than Rick have sung Lovin’ You?

Danko … told Dr John that his first two albums had inspired the brown album … what?Though I treasure “Gris Gris” I would say only in his wildest fantasies …

Ronnie Hawkins played guitar? A touch too much, I think. And if he was present, it seems hugely unlikely that the story would not have been told.

Minor detail: Van not knowing the Mose Allison song, You Can Count On Me, is highly unlikely. See Van’s tribute to Mose Allison album “Tell Me something” on which the song features. It’s not obscure, either. It’s from 1966’s “Wild man on the loose” and is on several collections. But there’s a clever little touch here. The quoted lyric is a “young man” which is from the original. When Van re-did it thirty years on in 1996 he changed it to “proud man”.

Lennart Persson no doubt accesses this site. Congratulations on a very entertaining and well-written piece (brilliant translator, of course). But come clean! Or restate the facts …

IN NEXT WEEK’S ISSUE at FEBER: “Beatles-Dylan-Hawks 1966 collaboration comes to light! Recorded at Traffic’s cottage, it has early demo versions of most of what became Sergeant Pepper, recorded on a secret prototype 64 track digital deck by Steve Winwood, revealing that ‘She’s leaving home’ was written by Richard Manuel, Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite was an early Robbie attempt at The W.S. Walcott Medicine Show, Dylan wrote the complex lyrics to ‘Within You Without You’ which does not really feature sitar, but a sitar effect generated by a key on Garth’s organ (this was retained and re-used on the final recording), and that Mickey Jones composed When I’m 64. The out-take of Manuel, Jagger, Lennon and Winwood belting out “Moon River” is magnificent, with the hitherto-unheard lead guitar of Ringo Starr well to the fore. Also how a 1942 Buick 6 has been photographed in a crater on Mars. Dr John told me, though he did appear a little out-of-it at the time.”

Posted on Sun Feb 18 13:43:14 CET 2001 from 209-23-38-183.ip.termserv.net (209.23.38.183)

Diamond Lil

Mornin folks...just trying out a new computer here. Hmm...wonder if I can 'preview' now?

Very interesting morning laugh from the Norwegian webmaster turned Swedish interpreter. Fact or fiction..it made good reading.

Going to try and preview now. Have a good day everyone. Klem Jan :-)

Posted on Sun Feb 18 10:25:53 CET 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Lennart Persson really made me laugh out loud. Very good fairytale, very convincing in its detail. It's GRUSIG. Thanks Jan for translating, I had a few pints of sour milk to celebrate...

Posted on Sun Feb 18 05:06:34 CET 2001 from user___4.nf.sympatico.ca (209.128.34.4)

Joe

I've never heard as much as a hint of "Turkey Scratch" but it makes for a damn fine story and true or false it will be repeated and become a part of the legend.

Posted on Sun Feb 18 03:01:38 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

Blind Willie McTell

Just looked in the What's New section and saw Jan's translation of the article about "The Road From Turkey Scratch" recordings. Has anyone else heard about this? Or could today be a Scandinavian version of April Fools Day?

Posted on Sat Feb 17 22:08:21 CET 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Speaking of DVDs: has anyone else seen the new "Red Rocks Live" by Neil Young with Friends & Relatives? It is an entire concert videotaped last fall and is, of course, amazing.

By the way, "The Last Waltz" film was issued twice on video, or at least with two different boxes. That would indicate that it sold out of at least one video edition.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 19:25:47 CET 2001 from host-209-214-119-173.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.119.173)

BWNWITennessee

Well, everyone's talking about why it would be hard to put bonus footage on TLW, but not all DVDs do have additional footage. The Band in New Orleans doesn't. I think most people that don't have the movie would be happy just to have it available for purchase, period. And I think that as more DVDs get produced, and more people buy the technology, we're going to see less and less bonus footage included on the products. Remember, for the most part that's just a marketing tool to get people to shell out more money for a new technology, or even replace things they have on VHS. Kind of like "bonus" tracks on a CD re-release, huh? Once the technology becomes the standard, they'll be less reason for the companies to spend money and time adding things to the package. I think that the real reason TLW isn't available is this - the majority of movies released aren't yet on DVD. It's only been a little over a year since just a handful of titles were available. And we're not exactly talking about a hot commodity, here. It's a product that was pulled from VHS because it wasn't selling much. Why should there be a rush to transfer it to DVD? I think eventually it's going to be released, it's just a matter of time.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 17:48:01 CET 2001 from mp-217-191-114.daxnet.no (193.217.191.114)

Fredrikc Zahl

Hi Johnny! I`m a big fan of you. I am feelig good. I hope you will get better soon. I got blond hair and glasses, I am sitting in a weelchair and are 24 years old. I know the song "I walked the line". All the best Fredrick.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 17:26:19 CET 2001 from spider-wj033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.33)

Bayou Sam

.....now we need Jan to take Peter Viney's last post and make it part of the list over there on the left side of the home page - right between the picture of Big Pink, and above "History", put = "the reason why The Last Waltz is not on DVD, and may never be".:-)

Posted on Sat Feb 17 17:03:01 CET 2001 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Peter makes some valid points. But I wonder how many other songs from TLW were overdubbed but then just didn't make the final cut(most likely because of run time -a concern with the studio) If there are but one or two-surely that would be added value! As far as Robbie saying he never made money--well I'm hard pressed to believe much of that, besides the movie business constantly cries they have to gross three times the budget of the movie to turn a profit-math i quite don't understand--if it was that hard of a business to make cash - it wouldn't be much of one!

Also, as an added bonus--There has to be outtakes of all those interviews with the boys that I'm sure we would love to see AND How about behind the scenes footage and or the making of the movie. Just about all productions run film on 'the making of.'

I can't believe RR/MC were barely able to scrape together enough material to deliver this film - there has to be stuff shelved away somewhere - But as has been stated--the legal jungle may just be to thick to journey through. Who knows--Maybe it's in the works for a Holiday season release--if that is so,then it is too early to promote it now-- a press release would most likely come forth mid/late summer. Just a thought..,

Posted on Sat Feb 17 14:58:21 CET 2001 from spider-wm063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.178)

Ghost Rider

Dr. Pepper

The veteran folksinger at Rick's Memorial service at the Bearsville Theatre was Vince Martin, whose best-known record may have been "Cindy, Oh Cindy." The story about him hanging out with Rick, Jimi Hendrix, Dr. John and Peter Tork was one of many warm, wonderful touches on that cold, bleak December day.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 14:24:06 CET 2001 from as30.infoflex.com.au (203.23.250.69)

Fritz

I was going to leave a general question about Fred Neil and if there were any Band connections with him. Now upon viewing previous entries from recent days, I see that he may have been at Rick's memorial service.

So was he there? Is there a Fred Neil/Band connection as I've heard he spent some time in Woodstock.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 11:57:49 CET 2001 from du-tele3-162.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.162)

Peter Viney

THE LAST WALTZ:

Positive factor about the lack of release: it brings one newcomer here per week with the inevitable “When?” question, and some of them stick around.

There are many possible reasons blocking release. I suspect that more than one of these factors is operating.

1) The amount of work needed. Scorsese and Robertson are unlikely to delegate. Both are busy men. At the least one or both would need to do a commentary. They could leave the company to put out the video as a DVD exactly as it is, or even with a quick 5.1 effect added, but this would be harder to promote without the expected DVD added value. If they put it out as it is I think they’d make a virtue of being in the “original stereo mix” rather than with added sound processor ambience.

2) Lack of bonus material. Scorsese has been very careful with releases. The new Raging Bull release was well-loaded with extras. As we’ve said, bonus “music” is technically an impossibility at this point. This was a live event, they didn’t have alternate takes. They replaced problematic tracks which took a long time. The Band tracks could not be enhanced to match the rest. They’re stuck with what they have for all three voices. Garth and Rick replaced their tracks. Listen to TCLW. The mismatch would scream out.

3) They would never get permission from theother artists for extra tracks. For instance, why would Joni Mitchell expose her woeful versions of Shadows and light and Furry sings The Blues? It has been said that it was hard to get Levon or Richard to do the interviews, but I’d bet they have at least a couple of hours of interview / chatter in the can. They could add bonus “chatter” material. If they’ve kept it.

4) Legal issues. If the contracts were badly drawn up (or carefully vetted by the artists) then they might never have taken permission to extend into new media. This is highly unlikely as this was generally covered, but at the time Dylan was particularly wary. Getting new permissions from Dylan, Van, Joni, the estate of Muddy, … a nightmare.

5) Financial incentive. Robbie has said loudly and clearly that in spite of the accusations, he’s never made any money out of it. I can envisage a situation where TLW hadn’t earned out its royalty advances. In that case, there could be a negative sum on the royalties account. More income would simply reduce that negative amount. BUT this is often true, and the company has to bite the bullet and wipe out the previous accounts and start afresh if it really wants to reissue something.

6) Market. I disagree that the market is too small. As has been pointed out, it is a Scorsese film, which might be more important than being a Band film. Worldwide they could sell a few, but this wouldn’t be a major money spinner.

It’s hard to estimate rock markets. For example, every British magazine gave rave reviews to the Los Lobos box set. Not only that but the serious newspapers gave it major coverage said things like “best box ever” and few reviews failed to compare their work to The Band. So, I set out to get it. In Bournemouth and Poole (combined population 320,000) I failed to find a single copy, though I admit I didn’t look in Borders because in the UK they’re always more expensive than the other chains. I finally found just one copy in Virgin in Southampton, but neither HMV or Tower had it. So, do the chains totally ignore press reviews? Two major papers devoted nearly a whole page to it. All that great coverage means, it seems, zero. Especially if the title isn’t in English!

The “Road to Turkey Scratch” story: given the guest list mentioned, Clapton, Cale & Van, this would appear to be a legend growing from the Shangri-La sessions around “No reason to cry” time (four years later) which are heavily bootlegged.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 09:52:28 CET 2001 from c5300-2-ip69.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.225.69)

miwa

Or rather........I agree with Wendy when she says........and I agree with Blind Willie McTell when he says he agrees with Wendy when she says........

Posted on Sat Feb 17 09:47:25 CET 2001 from c5300-2-ip69.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.225.69)

miwa

I agree with Wendy and Blind Willie McTell when they say "OOOOOOOH I LOVE the Band."

Posted on Sat Feb 17 06:19:56 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

Blind Willie McTell

I agree with Wendy when she says "OOOOOOOH I LOVE the Band."

Posted on Sat Feb 17 04:33:28 CET 2001 from user-33qt9la.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.166.170)

Pat Brennan

Regarding The Last Waltz. You'd assume that they would also do a surround mix of it which would involve a lot of effort. It would be impossible to clean up musically any extra footage for obvious reasons; thus Richard's dropout at the beginning of Georgia would have to remain, among any number of other faux pas. Still, it seems like it wouldn't be that big of a deal. I can point to Ang Lee's Ride With The Devil, which absolutely stiffed at the box office but was still released, albeit in a rather bare-bones DVD.

There is another rather interesting scenario. Warner Brothers is sitting on the music version of TLW. What with the remastering of the Capitol releases, why shouldn't WB jump on that bandwagon (oh my, a pun!) and enjoy the momentum that has already been generated? It'd probably be a lot easier to pull out the multitracks and mix some of the stuff that never made the movie. The only drawback is that the movie mixes are a lot better than the album mixes, at least to my ears.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 04:18:42 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

THE HUM OF COURSE WAS ONLY ON GARTH'S TRACKS

Posted on Sat Feb 17 04:17:29 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Just a small reminder about what would have to happen if TLW was released on DVD or re-release on CD. Any extra footage or cuts would have to be re-played by Garth. As you remember there was a hum on the original tracks from the movie and CD and Garth spent 5 months watching the film and re-playing every note that we saw and heard. What a guy!

Posted on Sat Feb 17 04:15:41 CET 2001 from adsl-20-104-170.gnv.bellsouth.net (66.20.104.170)

Wendy Montague

OOOOOOOH I LOVE the Band.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 03:06:05 CET 2001 from spider-wd071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.181)

Charlie Young

Dr. Pepper: could the guy you describe from Rick's memorial sevice be the legendarily reclusive but brilliant singer-songwriter Fred Neil? I know that John Sebastian (who performed at the service) is an old friend of Fred Neil, but didn't know of a connection to Rick.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 01:27:18 CET 2001 from host-209-214-118-73.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.118.73)

BWNWITennessee

Don't forget the same publishing company granted a Synch license to Pioneer for the Band In New Orleans DVD that was recently released. A Synch fee is negotiable, and it's possible that they would ask for more money for the same songs on TLW, because of the potentially wider audience. I wouldn't think the difference would be that much, though. And I think the existence of the New Orleans video shows that there is a market for Band video, although a different company might have different sales expectations/requirements. But I think the potential market for TLW, although not huge, is definitely larger than that of some of the other DVDs out there. I think it's like when CDs came out, eventually everything will make it onto DVD, but right now they're more concerned with new releases over converting old ones to the new format.

Does anyone know how Synch licensing works for a reissue? If a license has already been granted for a song in a film on a video release, would it even have to be renegotiated just to put it on a different medium? I suppose the price increase and number of units might come into play, I guess.

Posted on Sat Feb 17 00:33:51 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg052.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.172)

VANESSA MARIE MURPHY

i dig alot of these dylan sites. thank you for putting up this site and others, as well.i was wondering where i could find a lyric page for songs like " LONESOME SUSIE " and others. thanks! and keep up the great work! all my love goes out to Robbie Robertson at this time. don't ask. I just hope he sees this. van

Posted on Sat Feb 17 00:26:19 CET 2001 from spider-we043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.38)

Tommy

The reson I got into The Band was because I was completing my Scorsese film collection, which as we all know includes 'The Last Waltz'.I think that is reason enough to release TLW on DVD.It got me hooked on them!!! I mean, Scorsese is a great American director...people want to buy his films, right? Of course there's an audience for The Band's releases, the marketing is where the problems lie. The reissues are selling well...! There are already two existing DVDs about The Band, so the non-release of TLW cant be about not having a market.It must be about rights or something like that. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Have a good weekend friends...

~Tommy

Posted on Fri Feb 16 23:29:09 CET 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr. Pepper

What was the older man's name that performed at Rick's memorial service and told a funny story about hearing a knock at the door at his Coconut Grove home and it was Rick, Jimi Hendrix, and Peter Tork? I talked to the guy later that night at Joyous Lake while the Barnburners played. I recall him vividly at the memorial service....great musician. His Armani suit wasn't on him...most have left it in Brooklyn.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 22:48:37 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-te043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.168)

bob wigo

Joe D,

The delay of DVD releases like "The Godfather", "M*A*S*H" and "Back To The Future" among others is perplexing and would be a wonderful case study in the mechanics of the industry.I could not agree more that there is a vast audience for these films and would be willing to bet that it all comes down to licensing rights and what those rights are worth.

In cases like these you can liken it to owning an extremely valuable piece of real estate but not needing the funds it can currently generate. The answer is --- wait. The price is going nowhere but up and they aren't making anymore of it!

Posted on Fri Feb 16 22:28:16 CET 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Ilkka my friend, the article may be a good reason as any to learn Swedish, but since most of us in here haven't got the time (my Finnish is even better), maybe you could lift a tip by translating the outcome of what seems to be an exciting conspiracy story? Is the hon. mr. Rebennack fooling us? Of course he is, no doubt about that, unless my friend Ilkka produces the evidence.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 22:20:56 CET 2001 from man6-pool-37.fcgnetworks.net (208.210.87.101)

Joe D

Bob Wigo...I initially happened upon this terrific site looking for the answer to the age old question when will The Last Waltz be released on DVD..When I bought my DVD and added surround sound I set out to purchase my two favorite films The Last Waltz and The Godfather...Neither one is available on DVD, and although we Band freaks consider ourselves a small and elite group, There are hundreds of thousands of fans who would love to have the Godfather, at least 1&2...Considering all the junk you can get on CD anything that a director of Scorceses magnitude does should be available on DVD...I was surprised and disappointed to find so few music dvd's, although Buena Vista Social Club and JT Live at the Beacon are two gems...Ill hold out and hope for next Thanksgiving.........Regards Joe D...Parlour Band

Posted on Fri Feb 16 22:08:32 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-te013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.153)

bob wigo

There is only one answer at which you can arrive.

The production company does not believe it can sell enough copies to justify the cost.The audience may be substantial enough in our eyes but obviously not in theirs. If the numbers spelled out P-R-O-F-I-T , regardless of licensing or any other costs, the DVD's would have been on the shelf long ago.

If licensing costs are, in fact, exorbitant we must hope that those holding those rights will be willing to accept less on the front end and, possibly,a greater share of the sales revenues on the back end.

We must remember that just because we are seeing some "lesser" titles released on DVD this does not automatically deem them as profitable business decisions.Small to medium size businesses collapse daily when their foundation of faulty market analysis fails to shoulder the costs incurred to produce a product that doesn't "move". Some larger companies may support "lesser" titles as one aspect of an overall marketing approach.Some succeed, more fail.The cost of commerce is steep and with that cost comes a reluctance to roll the dice.

The best hope we can hold is in the fact that the only constant is change.Philosophies, personnel,motives etc.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 20:50:42 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Bones: I think you're right about the audience market but it's my guess that problem lies in the licensing costs end. It may be that whomever controls the rights is asking for too much or perhaps there's a problem securing permission from the various parties involved. As much as I'd like to see it come out on DVD, I personally would prefer some music from the present & future, rather than the past. Let's hope we can look forward to some live and/or studio performances from Levon & the Barnburners and Garth.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 20:49:04 CET 2001 from m20677150204.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.204)

Pehr

I too hoped the ex-POTUS would let leonard peletier go with a pardon. All I can figure is politics. to let him go would really piss off some FBI people, the ramifications of which I dont know and cant imagine. Keep bringing it up, maybe a miracle can happen. Of course I wasn't there, but I believe in his innocence. I later met some people from the ogalala nation. Cowboys and indians is still a reality for them...getting hassled, buzzed by helicoptors, etc.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 20:28:51 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

I think there is someting here that I don't understand. How is there not a big enough market for a DVD version of the Last Waltz?? Plenty of movies and concerts with a much smaller audience appeal get released every week. Even re-releases like A Vision Shared has been put out on DVD. Wouldn't it be great if they did something really special with it? Deleted scenes, new interviews, etc would be incredible if done the right way.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 18:44:12 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ti021.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.156)

bob wigo

David,
Sad but true.While we invision The Last Waltz on DVD as essential to our collections we fail to admit just how limited the audience has become for the product. Reality says the market will not bear the cost of production.

I truly hope that I am proven wrong sometime in the very near future.

P.S. Put me down for ten copies as they will make wonderful gifts for the music lovers in my life.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 18:38:59 CET 2001 from du187-2.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.2.187)

Ilkka

Thread: The "secret" Band album. - Read MARKKU's post from Fri 16th.
I have just read the article (thanks Markku, my compatriot, for the link - että kiitti vaan vihjeestä) in www.feber.se. OH BOY, it makes all the feud discussions in this gb seem as a Sunday school. But the end of story is so unbelievable that I don't want to translate it here for you. It is a conspiracy theory - something like the conspiracy theories after the killing of the Swedish Prime Minister Mr. Olof Palme.
At the same time, I envy the writer of the bitter/humorous - or sweet/sour - feeling in his story telling. It remains me of the writings of my dog when he has hungover. - This article is as good reason as any to learn Swedish.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 18:18:40 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

When will The Last Waltz be available on DVD is perhaps one of the most frequently asked questions in the guestbook. Not too long ago I sent an inquiry via e-mail to MGM and received an "unofficial" answer that there must be some problem with the licensing rights to the film. Since it is apparently no longer available on videocassette, that may indeed be the hold-up. MGM does have a beautiful widescreen print of the film with stereo soundtrack, so the problem is not a physical one involving finding a decent print. Why is there a problem with the rights? Who knows, and no one at MGM seems willing to answer. My guess is that it all comes down to that essential ingredient that rules Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry -- MONEY.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 16:11:29 CET 2001 from dhcp21593.sunyocc.edu (198.242.215.93)

KICKING HORSE

DID SOMEONE ASK WHAT A GGOD NAME FOR GARTH'S NEW CD MIGHT BE CALLED? WELL, how about GARTH HUDSON "SPAAAAAARRRRrrrrr MEEE the DeeeeeTAILLLLLS BOYS" Some of you out there may just understand.?

Posted on Fri Feb 16 16:08:23 CET 2001 from bess.ysgolccc.org.uk (193.132.109.252)

MICHAEL DAWSON

GREAT BAND VER Y GOOD BEST SONG THE WEIGHT

Posted on Fri Feb 16 15:09:47 CET 2001 from ulab33.med.gu.se (130.241.86.163)

Markku (Quos)

There is a very strange The Band article at the Swedish music-site Feber. It is about a recording session The Band, without Robbie, would have had during or after the time of "Stage Fright". According to the article, the recorded tape from the sessions (which were kept secret to Robbie) goes under the name "The Road From Turkey Scratch". The article gives quite detailed information about the songs (guests such as Eric Clapton, Doug Sahm, Van Morrison, JJ. Cale), the information is said to come from Dr John. The author says he has heard the tape, and that he actually had a copy of it but not anymore (he says Dr John played the tape to him during an interview, and he kept his tape-recorder running).

Now, anyone heard of this before, or is this a joke? Or am I missing something obvious? It sounds like a joke to me, and I really don't have that much trust to the guys behind the site (they are top-notch music journalists in Sweden, quite respected names, but, well...., you know... that does not necessarily mean that much...).

If you can swedish, the article is available at: www.feber.se/pub/pub9_3.asp?art_id=1491 (of course, the article is available even if you can't swedish :)

If this would be true, and given that the Port Dover -64 is out, that tape would (in my book) be the new The Band collector's Holy Grail.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 11:33:56 CET 2001 from 147.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.147)

Carmen

Matt K- From what I know, I agree with you on Peltier. Rich should never have been pardoned, however, Milken should have in my opinion. Milken for one did his time and also paid retribution. He also now donates a great deal of money to various charaties. Truth is Rich paid and the other 2 did not!

Any word on new RR material!

Happy Friday to all GB'ers.

Posted on Fri Feb 16 07:14:21 CET 2001 from zorg24.revealed.net (208.243.237.24)

Mike

I agree with The Last Waltz being released on DVD for the 25th anniversary of the actual concert. Also, how about a digitally remastered version of The Last Waltz on cd?! With a 3rd cd of outtakes! I know for those who have The Complete Last Waltz already (I do too), the outtakes might not be of too much interest. It'd be even better to have the complete show on four cd's (no overdubs) released officially but the bootleg is great anyhow. Maybe this will happen. There's a LOT in The Band's vaults that have not and may never see the light of day. Am I greedy?! I don't think I am. Hell, their music's so damn good. Rock Of Ages, it doesn't get much better than that! There aren't many great live albums without overdubs and full of a spirit of abandon that ROA has. I can hardly wait for the remaster/expanded edition. I even turned my girlfriend onto The Band. She says they have a nit of a country feel. I suppose that's a strong point. She thinks it's odd to have 3 people trading off verses in a song. But that's part of the magic, I told her! I've done my work and there's another Band convert. I better get moving. I'm a thief and I dig it! LOL. Peace Mike

Posted on Fri Feb 16 07:12:45 CET 2001 from zorg24.revealed.net (208.243.237.24)

Mike

I agree with The Last Waltz being released on DVD for the 25th anniversary of the actual concert. Also, how about a digitally remastered version of The Last Waltz on cd?! With a 3rd cd of outtakes! I know for those who have The Complete Last Waltz already (I do too), the outtakes might not be of too much interest. It'd be even better to have the complete show on four cd's (no overdubs) released officially but the bootleg is great anyhow. Maybe this will happen. There's a LOT in The Band's vaults that have not and may never see the light of day. Am I greedy?! I don't think I am. Hell, their music's so damn good. Rock Of Ages, it doesn't get much better than that! There aren't many great live albums without overdubs and full of a spirit of abandon that ROA has. I can hardly wait for the remaster/expanded edition. I even turned my girlfriend onto The Band. She says they have a nit of a country feel. I suppose that's a strong point. She thinks it's odd to have 3 people trading off verses in a song. But that's part of the magic, I told her! I've done my work and there's another Band convert. I better get moving. I'm a thief and I dig it! LOL. Peace Mike

Posted on Fri Feb 16 05:59:33 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-25-125.maine.rr.com (66.30.25.125)

mattk

Speaking for myself, I'm completely galled that Clinton managed to pardon billionaire tax dodger Marc Rich, and was ready to pardon Michael Milken, before the press found out. Meanwhile, Peltier sits in jail.

I know many feel Peltier is justly imprisoned, and I have used up space to make the counter argument before. I strongly disagree with those that feel Peltier is a justly incarcerated "cop killer," and I believe most folks who take the time to read up on the Peltier's trial would see the miscarraige of justice that occurred.

I was struck by this today while watching the History Channel. They were documenting the Waco survivor trial and the Randy Weaver trial. In both cases, the defendants were aquitted because:

1) The jury was convinced that Weaver, despite his abhorrent racist views, was reacting reasonably to a heavy-handed and unannounced assault on his property.

2) The Waco folks were likewise inundated by the ATF, PLUS the jury felt they could not convict the Branch Davidians out of guilt by association - it could not be proven which members were or were not active in the shootout that set off the events in Waco.

In the case of Peltier, the FBI stormed in unannounced with guns blazing, not unlike the Weaver scenario. Similairly, Peltier's conviction was one of guilt by association.

Like Waco, NO credible witness had him firing on the agents, the weapons used were never connected to him or the other defendants (who were themselves aquitted - Peltier was tried seperately, later, after a "someone's got to pay" atmosphere overwhelmed any sense of due process).

I guess it truly matters if you are a billionaire financier and have political connections, or belong to a right-wing group with populist sympathies in the conservative community. If you're a disenfranchised Native American, you're going to pay, whether we can actually prove you did the deed or not. I guess by that logic, what's the difference if another Native American gets screwed on "the res."

The whole thing sickens me to no end.

As David Powell is fond of saying, I'll just "stick to the music," I guess. These days it's one of the few places I can always find some humanity and grace.

Peace.

Matt

Posted on Fri Feb 16 03:31:27 CET 2001 from p3ee2df0b.dip.t-dialin.net (62.226.223.11)

Wolle

Hallo, wer kann mir sagen ob jemand Levon Helms Buch "This Weel's on Fire" ins Deutsche übersetzt hat,bzw.das vor hat? Wolle

Posted on Thu Feb 15 22:53:15 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg061.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.176)

Dave Z

Lauren: Me too... If you haven't already, check out www.freepeltier.org...

Lil: Thanks for the nice words...

Posted on Thu Feb 15 22:28:24 CET 2001 from user-2ive0kv.dialup.mindspring.com (165.247.2.159)

Tom Gove

I would really like to see "The Last Waltz" on DVD. I'm curious to see if it will be released this Thanksgiving for the 25th anniversary. Is it possble?

Posted on Thu Feb 15 22:24:50 CET 2001 from spider-wm072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.182)

butch

A little musical update,,,,,,,,,,

most of you know the connection between Little Feat & The Band,,,,,,, its well documented,,,,,,

but,,,,, besides their tribute to Levon & The Band by doing Rag Mama Rag,, & Gimme A Stone ( from LARGO )

now, they do ( acoustically )The Weight,,,& as a tribute to Rick,, Long Black Veil,,,,,

so those of us that are FEAT fans,,,, do not miss their legendary shows,,, an extra reason to go, now,,,

,,,, & they do them so well, the amazing musicians that they are,,, so CK them out,,,ya wont be sorry,,,,,,,,,

butch,,,,,,( & yes, i will post Barn Burners reviews soon,,, )

Posted on Thu Feb 15 22:16:13 CET 2001 from (207.190.196.114)

Long Distance Operator

Top 6 possible titles for the forthcoming Garth Hudson record:

6. Dressin' It The Whole Time

5. The Music Teacher

4. Fixin' A Screen Door

3. Clubhouse Music

2. Evil Jazz

1. Healer

Posted on Thu Feb 15 22:06:29 CET 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

I agree, Matt. I use napster to preview stuff I'm interested in purchasing, or for rare/unreleased stuff. The quality is good but not as good as a legit release anyway, and far be it from me to take money from artists i respect.

Posted on Thu Feb 15 21:59:22 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-25-125.maine.rr.com (66.30.25.125)

mattk

Napster, ok, I admit it I'm hooked, but I'm pretty good about sticking with live boots or otherwise unavailable material. As a rule, I don't download something that I could otherwise purchase and put SOME coin (however small) in the artist's pocket.

The O'Toole's Tavern show is indeed a stunner. Both Rick and Richard at their evocative best.

Finding stuff for "The Band" is big pain. Generally, I've not had much luck finding regular Band material, except stuff burned from major label releases. However, you can find pretty good stuff looking for PRE-Band material.

Try "Hawkins Hawks" for stuff with Ronnie. "Levon Hawks" doesn't get you much, usually, except the stuff off the old "Crossing the Great Divide" stuff (Stones I Throw, Do The Honky Tonk), and you can usually find the Canadian Squires' "Leave Me Alone" pretty easily.

As far as Band boots, you can sometimes score with "complete last waltz," but it's hit and miss. Chances are good that unless you're high speed, whoever is sharing it will be offline by the time you are half-way through.

I have had tremendous success digging up boots of Dylan's 65-66 Hawks tour. Best method is "Dylan Hawks" and look for someone that has a few hits. Then browse that user's files. Scanning their file list, you'll very often find a Dylan head who's got just about everything Bob every sneezed into. I would suggest that Dylan fans must be the best archivists this side of Deadheads, frankly.

Good luck. Try not to steal stuff it's something you could buy legit.

Matt

Posted on Thu Feb 15 20:57:41 CET 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

Donnie P and others- check napster for van doing "just like a woman"- it is incredible. i get chills every time i listen to it.

Posted on Thu Feb 15 20:54:11 CET 2001 from cw02.m1.srv.t-online.de (212.185.252.194)

Mingus

Hello Band-community ! This is a great place to be here. Just recently I discovered Napster and I would really like to download somw Band rarities (of course I owe all the official albums). I found already the real intense Toole-Tavern concert by Rick and Richard (God bless them), but if I search for "The Band" I get everything from The Allman Brothers Band to the Dave Mathews Band, but not our guys. Anybody has an idea how to get results for only The Band ? Thanks in advance! C.

Posted on Thu Feb 15 20:38:00 CET 2001 from slip-32-103-67-56.ga.us.prserv.net (32.103.67.56)

Don Pugatch

Reviewing my Van collection, I realized that I did not have Poetic Champions on CD, so now I do, and if anyone has not listened to or has never, you must either review your collection, or get a copy. Mellow, horny horns, upbeat, Van is so great on this CD. Question, sax player on PC? Is this Van?

Also on the Van subject, some great live cuts, of Van on Nappy, duets with Tom Petty, Sinead, Comfortalby Numb live from The Wall, just to name a few.

Posted on Thu Feb 15 20:32:36 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Memories are made of this...

It's 1964 -- The Rolling Stones appear on the television show "Hollywood Palace", hosted by Dean Martin. Dino, a.k.a Old Red Eyes, makes derogatory comments about the Stones.

Later that same year, Bob Dylan releases his album "Another Side of Bob Dylan". The album's liner notes feature "Some Other Kinds of Songs", a series of free verse poems by Dylan which include the following lines:

"an' dean martin should apologize
t' the rolling stones
ho hum"

Flash forward to 2001. Golden globe winner & Grammy nominee Dylan records "Return To Me", a song made popular by the late Dean Martin, for "The Sopranos", a popular cable television series about mobsters. Things have changed indeed.

In another twist of fate, rumors abuzz in Hollywood, Cannes & elsewhere in the film world that Martin Scorsese's next project will be a "biopic" based on the colorful life of Dean Martin during the years he was a member of the "Rat Pack". Nicholas Pileggi ("Goodfellas") is reportedly writing the script. Here's the kicker -- various sources report that the cast will include Tom Hanks in the lead role, with John Travolta as Frank Sinatra, Hugh Grant as Peter Lawford, Adam Sandler as Joey Bishop and Jim Carrey as Jerry Lewis. No word yet on what role Neil Diamond will play.

Posted on Thu Feb 15 20:03:11 CET 2001 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

Kalervo Koskela

Being in Leonard Peltier emailgroup for a year or so, I am very dissapointed that Clinton didn' t free him (Leonard isn' t a corrupted millionaire I guess that is the reason). Bush is hopeless, so it is a really sad situation. Thank you Lauren reminding this subject which is so near to Robbie.

Posted on Thu Feb 15 19:52:00 CET 2001 from proxy1-external.nwptn1.va.home.com (24.4.252.176)

Hollow Roy

Bashful Bill~ I wish I had seen the live "Up on Cripple Creek" you mentioned. I would have been happy to assume yodeling duties. In fact, if I tried to stifle a yodel during that number, I would likely end up with a sprained soul.

Favorite Garth performances~ I know little of the technical difficulty involved, but I particularly love his work on "Whispering Pines" and "Jupiter Hollow".

"A Fifth of Pink"

Posted on Thu Feb 15 17:04:31 CET 2001 from spider-ti074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.209)

Bayou Sam

Supratik & MW = thanks for the Beatles/Harrison info. I've started to check out the All Things..... site, but it wants me to download a million other things. I'm working on it. That chat with George looks very cool.

Here are some CD titles that Garth should absolutely NOT use=

Music From Big Garth

The Garthster

"Hud"

Garthmeister

10,000 Garth Fans Can't Be Wrong

Meet The Garth

Sgt. Garth's Lonely Hearts Club Band

The Garth is Allright

All Things Must Garth

Posted on Thu Feb 15 16:59:09 CET 2001 from mail.banfi.com (209.186.32.67)

Lauren

As this is a very special day for me, I am posting this comment as a tribute to the wonderful Heritage of Robbie Roberston and his great music for The Native Americans. I would love to know if other people on this website are as concerned about this topic as much as I am: The FREEDOM OF LEONARD PELTIER...Hello to all and best wishes and I would love to correpsond with others on this important topic. I know that Robbie Robertson included a piece of a conversation with Leonard Peltier recently, so this is obviously not only topical, but important to him and his beautiful background as well. Thanks. Best. Lauren

Posted on Thu Feb 15 16:53:00 CET 2001 from (194.255.109.211)

HANK

.........so they set out for biafra....to join the bloody fray......I'm trying to create paragraphs here, but I can't figure this goshdarned Danish computer........they got a different O here, tøø............øøøøøøøøøøøø and ØØØØØØØØ and different a's ,too..ææææææÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ..see?.anywho,...Garths album title.howsabout ".....and getting the SONGS together"? I always laugh when I hear him say that in TLW.......It really sez so much about what The Band were about..............

Posted on Thu Feb 15 15:11:14 CET 2001 from inktomi1-bir.server.ntl.com (62.255.32.4)

Rich

Hi! I'm a 21 yr old Band fan from England and I'd just like to say what a fantastic site, I've been a fan for the past 2 years and I just love honesty of the bands music !!!! Well,Thanx and keep up the good work Rich...

Posted on Thu Feb 15 07:04:33 CET 2001 from jed43.revealed.net (208.23.178.138)

Mike

I am trying to expand my collection of Band material beyond official material. If anyone is interested in trading, please let me know. I'm open minded about trading. I'm looking for Hollywood Bowl 1970, Academy Outtakes 1971, Watkins Glen 73, and DC 1976. If anyone can help me, I'dgreatly appreciate it. Long live The Band. Peace. Mike

Posted on Thu Feb 15 05:25:05 CET 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr. Pepper

Lebowski, you will have to ask "the Dude"...listen for the flute and that bluesy music in the background and be very careful to listen to silence between the breaks. Less IS more.

Posted on Thu Feb 15 03:42:52 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

Blind Willie

Whatever Garth calls his album ... I'll buy it! 1. The Garth Hudson Album 2. The World According To Garth 3. North To The Sea

Posted on Thu Feb 15 02:05:13 CET 2001 from ci.jasper.in.us (63.65.190.242)

Knockin' Lost John

Does anybody know how I can get ahold of "Port Dover 1964"? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx

John

Posted on Thu Feb 15 01:11:08 CET 2001 from host-209-214-116-106.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.116.106)

BWNWITennessee

You'd better believe it!

Posted on Wed Feb 14 23:50:21 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tb022.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.27)

Bob Wyman

Has anyone come up with "The World According To Garth" yet?

Posted on Wed Feb 14 22:10:10 CET 2001 from spider-wd012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.152)

Bashful Bill

Charlie Young:bizarre to think about, I agree, but...you are correct, sir!

Posted on Wed Feb 14 21:57:36 CET 2001 from ool-18b9acac.dyn.optonline.net (24.185.172.172)

Mabel

Happy Valentine's Day To All Band Lovers! Couldn't pick a better day to celebrate great natural music that we all love here on this website! Levon, Garth, Robbie! What great guys! Keep the music flowin'... Robbie you're a gem!

Posted on Wed Feb 14 21:29:31 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

I've asked this question before but I did not get an answer (maybe Butch knows). I've been told that Levon plays on the soundtrack to Fire Down Below. Which tracks?? I know he wrote a song or two in the movie which did not make the soundtrack, but I was also told he played on a number of those tracks. Anyone??

Posted on Wed Feb 14 20:33:01 CET 2001 from host-19.djj.state.va.us (209.96.169.19)

Sherry B. Chafin

Why do I see very little about Roy's time in Georgetown, D.C....? I never see the name "Dale Chafin" connected with Roy and yet they played together (Dale played bass g.) at clubs like the Silver Dollar, etc.... M Street, The last time I was at Roy's (before his passing of course) he and Judy were living in Lovetsville, Va. with their 6 children...did they have more after his death? What has Judy been doing? Sherry Chafin

Posted on Wed Feb 14 20:26:27 CET 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

Thanks Bassmanlee. You can find info about the Band Classic Albums video here on the site:

http://theband.hiof.no/videos/classic_albums.html

Posted on Wed Feb 14 18:55:00 CET 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Catchin' up, catchin' up...

Brent, I have the MCA two-disc Mayfield Anthology. Tasty stuff, starting all the way back from his Gospel days. Available from BMG Music Service if you belong. (BMG is pretty decent for a record club. Even have a fair number of Sugar Hill titles.)

Dave Powell's account of the Classic Album video with John Simon reminds me of a broadcast I've seen of the making of Sgt. Pepper. George Martin shows how some tracks were mixed using the original 4-track masters. Each track on its own sounded flat and lacking, but as soon as he got all four faders in place...WOW! Amazing what was done on only 4 tracks. What is full title and source of said CA vid?

DaveTPG, thanks for the Barn Burners review. More and more convinced I gotta see 'em. Isn't it great to see musicians that take chances and play the music rather than just "put on a show". Nice to hear Mr. Ingrao is also a GK man, even if he is using 10's...(15's rule!...it's a bass player thing...)

I've mentioned some of my local (DE) musician friends, but don't think I mentioned that BZB's "Last Chance Hotel"'s only cover is "Twilight". No web site, but check MP3.com.

Back to the woodwork now...

Posted on Wed Feb 14 18:36:32 CET 2001 from du31-250.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.250.31)

Ilkka

Just for duelling against certain Mr. William Ragtime, age 73:

Hudson Of A Gun

Posted on Wed Feb 14 16:38:15 CET 2001 from on-tor-blr-ahp-13-120.look.ca (209.161.237.120)

Wittgenstein

Which one has "Do Do Wop"?

Posted on Wed Feb 14 16:31:26 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Depending on how much you wish to spend -- here are three suggestions for Curtis Mayfield compilations:

(1)The budget-priced, single disc "20th Century Masters: The Millennium edition of The Best of Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions" from MCA
(2)Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions "The Anthology 1961-1977" -- a pricier 2-disc set from MCA
(3)"People Get Ready!...The Curtis Mayfield Story" -- an even more expensive but more expansive 3-disc box set compilation from the fine folks at Rhino

You can check with any of the on-line retailors to check the prices and listen to samples on the above discs.

Posted on Wed Feb 14 15:46:39 CET 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

Thanks to all for your kind words regarding the Barn Burners promo. I'm hoping to work up a little website in the near future- will keep you posted.

Also thanks for the comments on "The Weight". David, it's interesting that you mention the Classic Albums video, as that's what inspired me to try and learn (correctly!) the intro guitar part. That video, and indeed, the whole Classic Albums series (at least the ones I've seen) is incredible and well worth the money.

Is there a definitive Curtis Mayfield compilation that would be good to start with?

Posted on Wed Feb 14 15:39:52 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Further thread on the intro to "The Weight" -- Mr. Robertson illustrates how he played the intro in the "Classic Album" video and reveals that he was inspired by the guitar style of Curtis Mayfield. Rather than single string, over-the-top leads, this style uses mellow, multi-note fills which are finger-picked around the chord positions up the guitar neck. This approach blends the guitar within the context of the song's mood, instead of creating a distractive departure just to display the guitarist's presumed "prowess" (as George Harrison so aptly put it).

If you wish to go to the source of this style, I recommend listening to any of the material that Curtis Mayfield recorded with The Impressions in the early '60s, such as "Keep On Pushin' " and "Gypsy Woman".

Also in the "Classic Album" video, John Simon sits at the board and illustrates how the tracks on "The Weight" were recorded. "Music From Big Pink" was recorded on a four-track machine. As Mr. Simon and Levon discuss in the video, they tried to record as much as they could "live" without doing much overdubbing, and with just four tracks there's not that much extra tape space anyway. At the board, Mr. Simon isolated two of the tracks on "The Weight". One of the tracks features Levon's vocal, along with his drums. The other track he plays contains Rick's vocal, along with the guitar and bass.

Posted on Wed Feb 14 15:12:40 CET 2001 from spider-ti074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.209)

Ruby

Happy Valentines Day to you all!!! So glad your here..... much love

Posted on Wed Feb 14 14:09:40 CET 2001 from (202.86.128.113)

Supratik

Great work.....Brent !!

My faves from the names mentioned so far :

Sea to the North, Garth Hudson, Garth Vader ( I know this wont be selected but loyalty beckons :-)

peace to all

sup

Posted on Wed Feb 14 13:43:39 CET 2001 from (206.106.135.58)

Joe D

Thanks to Jan for letting me use this site and to all the good folks who purchased our Parlour Band CD....I am a Band freak since the were the Hawks and am not ashamed to say I learned from the best...If you enjoy down home organic music...lots of accordian, mandolin, organ and BAND type harmonies, give us a try...If your interested just send your adress and Ill send you a cd..If you enjoy it send me $12(includes handling)If not send back the cd...no returns so far...PS I want to sell this on the merits of the music, but it all goes to a good cause......Thanks JD

Posted on Wed Feb 14 04:19:51 CET 2001 from pc205055.stofanet.dk (212.10.145.55)

Sean

Hey, thanks for the nice words, Sup. Those Roosevelt shows are cracking great! Well, I just wondered if anybody wanted to trade some boots? I have been having a hard time tracking down Band boots, but I have some, and a couple of Danko shows too, so....

Posted on Wed Feb 14 02:37:41 CET 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Bashful Bill: it's bizarre to think about, but I guess what you called the "tenuous" link between The Band and, yes, the Captain and Tennille would have to be Blondie Chaplain who--I believe--played with Daryl Dragon (aka "the Captain")at around the same time in the Beach Boys. Am I right? I know I saw Dragon playing keyboards at a great Beach Boys show at Georgetown University in 1972 (at their commercial low point, but a creative peak) and then saw Blondie with Rick and Richard at the old Bayou club in Georgetown circa 1978.

Posted on Wed Feb 14 02:15:25 CET 2001 from 1cust231.tnt1.new-wilmington.pa.da.uu.net (63.26.224.231)

the lebowski

Does anyone know if The Last Waltz will ever be released on DVD???

Posted on Wed Feb 14 02:05:46 CET 2001 from 1cust253.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.253)

rollie

Garth Hudson:Twilight-----Unrelated(sort of)check out the above web site for a look at a great player and his music.

Posted on Wed Feb 14 01:26:13 CET 2001 from akcf3.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.201)

Rod

Let's hope it's not called "Piano By Candle Light"

Posted on Wed Feb 14 01:02:16 CET 2001 from host-209-214-124-68.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.124.68)

BWNWITennessee

"Garth Vader"

Posted on Wed Feb 14 00:47:34 CET 2001 from 35-pool6.ras11.inind.agisdial.net (206.148.237.35)

Jon

"Hudson, not Brooks!!"

Posted on Wed Feb 14 00:06:22 CET 2001 from spider-ti041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.191)

Bayou Sam

"Beyond The Genetic Method"

Posted on Tue Feb 13 22:51:15 CET 2001 from spider-tj053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.198)

Tommy

The intro to 'The Weight' is just a solo acoustic guitar (playing multiple strings for that "doubled" effect) in a really big room.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 22:42:19 CET 2001 from du-tele3-002.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.2)

Peter Viney

More on the suggested title GARTH HUDSON. Robbie’s first solo album was called … ROBBIE ROBERTSON. Rick’s first solo album was called … RICK DANKO, Levon’s second and fourth (confusingly) were both called … LEVON HELM. Unfortunately the full set will never be complete but four out of five would do. And one point where I think the Levonistas and Robertsonians would be totally united, is in hoping that Garth’s is deservedly the biggest success of the lot (not necessarily in sales, but why not?). Then all the clever suggestions can be saved for the subsequent albums, hopefully at regular intervals.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 22:01:41 CET 2001 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

How about these titles for consideration for Garth's solo album:

"It's Maple Sugar Time" "Bach to Basics" "Honeyboy" "Mein Kampf"

ps --I just checked out George Harrison's website, WWW.ALLTHINGSMUSTPASS.COM, and it was pretty neat--- very Monty Python----not the kind of place you'd visit every day, but well worth the trip

Posted on Tue Feb 13 21:57:36 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-th033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.33)

Bashful Bill

Playin GB catchup here, a bunch of cool stuff caught my eye as usual. Hollow Roy-a fairly new poster, I think-I too used to wonder why the boys seemed to have an aversion to playing Cripple Creek in the later days.. They used to play it in the mid-80's with The Cate Bros. No yodeling, though some of the audience members took over yodeling duties. In Oct 94, I saw them headline one night of The King Biscuit Blues Festival in Helena Arkansas. Billed as Levon Helm and The Band, Levon was definitely the hometown hero that night. They played an extremely tight, extremely loud Cripple Creek that night. Rick grinned like the chesire cat thru the whole song, and he and Randy didn't exactly yodel, but they definitely hooted at the appropriate places(A young miss Amy came out and harmonised Blues stay Away From Me on the encore). I also saw them play CC on the infamous tour they did when Rick was in Japan, with several of the Crowmatix subbing for him...Sure glad to see the Barnburners are back from their latest jaunt, how's the album coming along?...I watched The Right Stuff on Sat, too. I've always felt that was one of Levon's finest onscreen hours, along with CoalMiner's Daughter, The Dollmaker, and any scene in the LW where he is playing and singing his southern heart out in the LW, especially Dixie(he definitely said "mud" that night)...and someone mentioned Cape Fear, watch the scene where young newcomer Julliete Lewis shares a joint and a looong conversation { some of it improvised} with veteran DeNiro-one take!...and who dared mention Capt. & Tenielle? There is a tenuous Band connection, can anyone guess what it is?...sorry Jan, 2 years hangin around here and I still can't make paragraphs.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 21:00:31 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

For those of you who are interested: there is a new DVD version of A Vision Shared which Robbie hosted containing contemporary artists singing Leadbelly and Woody Guthrie songs. It was a wonderful documentary which any Band fan would like. Artists include Bob Dylan, Emmylou Harris, Taj Mahal, U2, John Mellencamp, Little Richard, Bruce Springsteen and others.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 21:00:36 CET 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

hi all, i was hoping to get some feedback on the little draft intro to a Barn Burners site I'm working on. It can be reached by clicking the link above. Isn't anyone interested?! I realize it's short but I'm just wondering if folks are able to view it- you must have the macromedia flash player plug-in installed to view it. If you don't have this plug-in, you can download it at http://www.macromedia.com/downloads/.

Also, you musicians out there: any idea how the intro to "The Weight" was achieved in the studio? Is it double tracked guitar, guitar and mandolin, or what? Any ideas???

Peace,

Brent

Posted on Tue Feb 13 19:34:42 CET 2001 from spider-tk054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.199)

Hollow Roy

Amy Helm is a Grammy nominee of sorts. She did about six seconds of whistling during the bridge of the Steely Dan record "Cousin Dupree", which has been nominated for Best Pop Performance with Vocal (or some similar sounding category).

Posted on Tue Feb 13 19:14:43 CET 2001 from (202.86.128.79)

Supratik

Its been a long time since I last posted on these hallowed pages. Feels great !

Firstly I would like to thank everybody who responded and offered to help me in getting Band boots. Ilkka, Markku (thanx!!), Siegfried (Did you get my stuff ?) and above all Soren my great, great friend. Soren sent me a huge stash that I will be forever be grateful (till I'm dead :-) for.

A small note for all Beatles fans who visit this GB especially Bayou Sam. I just got this in an hollywoodandvine e-mail and thought of posting this for the benefit of all you Beatleheads. :-)) I just pasted the stuff as I got it.

""Celebrating the recent 30th Anniversary release of ALL THINGS MUST PASS, George Harrison announces his first official website, www.allthingsmustpass.com. George will also embark on his first experience with online chats by participating in two 30-minute chats on Thursday, February 15th, 2001. The first one will begin at 8:00 p.m. eastern/5:00 p.m. pacific on Yahoo!Chat, located at http://chat.yahoo.com, and the second at 9:00 p.m. eastern/6:00 p.m. pacific on MSN Live, located at http://www.msn.com. For a direct link to the chat log onto http://allthingsmustpass.com

Upon its original release, ALL THINGS MUST PASS, became the first #1 album with the first #1 single ("My Sweet Lord") by a solo Beatle. Featuring some legendary players including Ringo Starr, Eric Clapton, Billy Preston and an uncredited Phil Collins, the 1970 release was produced by George Harrison and Phil Spector, was engineered by Ken Scott and Phil McDonald, and featured orchestral arrangements by John Barham. The 30th anniversary release was in stores on January 23rd and debuted at #4 on Soundscan's Catalog Chart. Now digitally re-mastered, it features five previously unreleased tracks, including "My Sweet Lord (2000)" - an updated version which George produced "to create something extra," a specially packaged 20 page booklet with rare photographs and newly written liner notes by George Harrison.""

Posted on Tue Feb 13 17:49:41 CET 2001 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Just announced: Dylan nominated for best song Oscar!

Posted on Tue Feb 13 17:37:33 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

"Well, there was this movie I seen one time
About a man riding 'cross the desert and it starred Gregory Peck."
--from Brownsville Girl

While watching the movie "The Right Stuff" this past weekend, I was reminded that Sam Shepard has the distinction of acting opposite Levon Helm as well as writing songs with Bob Dylan. The talented actor & playright, who Jonathan Katz mentioned with the Rolling Thunder log quote, co-wrote the song "Brownsville Girl" with Dylan, which appeared on the album "Knocked Out Loaded".

Mr. Shepard's longtime companion, the actress Jessica Lange, also has a Band connection of sorts. One of her many great roles includes a lead in Martin Scorsese's remake of "Cape Fear" in which she appeared along with Nick Nolte and Robert DeNiro. The movie also included cameos by screen legends Gregory Peck and Robert Mitchum. (As a personal note, I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Nolte, shortly before the filming of "Cape Fear", down here in Atlanta at the county courthouse, where he was researching for his role as a southern district attorney.)

Please excuse my digressions through so many degrees of Kevin Bacon-like separation.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 16:31:54 CET 2001 from dm2c82.bell.ca (198.235.69.172)

Richard Patterson

"No Flies On Garth"

Posted on Tue Feb 13 16:26:38 CET 2001 from 56k-la-00-37.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.52)

Dave the phone guy

Couple more songs the Barn Burners do

Amy Helm sings a rather slow sultry version of "Same Thing". You know the song The Band did on Jericho. Chris O'Leary sings the Muddy Waters tune "Nineteen Years Old". This is an intense vocal treatment with a medium/slow tempo. Intense blues on both numbers.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 15:39:16 CET 2001 from spider-we042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.37)

Dave Z

Hey focus group, I vote for "Sap of the Moon-Plant"... I also hope Garth plays some really fast piano... some really slow sax... and karate chops his organ too...

Posted on Tue Feb 13 15:20:40 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ti013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.153)

bob wigo

"Contains No Artificial Sweeteners"

Posted on Tue Feb 13 15:00:27 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Maude....Since you don't know me.....If your lookin'.....It's in loving jest.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 14:56:32 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Garth Hudson proposed CD Titles:

"Have Keyboards & Woodwinds - Will Travel: Wire Hudson"

"Maude...Let's Go For A Musical Ride & Fire Up The Old Hudson

"Maude...I Sure Like The Way You Strut Yourself"

"It's A Long Way From Port Dover To Malibu"

"Bach, Calliope, Polka & Swing" (As in CSNY)

"I've Got My LicenseTo Fix Accordions"

"I Would Have Put Out This CD Earlier; But I've Been Distracted"

And probably the best that's already been posted, "Garth Hudson"

Posted on Tue Feb 13 13:35:28 CET 2001 from ulab33.med.gu.se (130.241.86.163)

Markku (Quos)

Capitol ripping us all off for a third time: I guess they are just warming up; just wait and see when the SACD or DVD-audio versions (or both!) will be released. Still, I'm sure I will not complain.

Garth's album: The Artist Formerly Known As Garth

Posted on Tue Feb 13 13:19:59 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ti013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.153)

Hollow Roy

Pat~ Thanks for the clarification on that Procol Harum boast. I'm glad it wasn't Booker & Reed being cocky. I never saw that much similarity to The Band anyway. I presume that wasn't the Paul Williams of "Rainbow Connection" fame. The PH page was really interesting; the section about their name was highly demythologizing.--"Wish Me Well" is one of my all time favorite rock ditties.

Garth: "The Soul Stirrer's Apprentice". ?

ophelia later, HR

Posted on Tue Feb 13 08:59:21 CET 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

"Garth"

"Garth And Friends"

"Looky There"

"One Man And His Organ"

"The Grapes Of Garth"

"Quicky Fingers"

"Key To The Board"

"The Guy Who Came In From The Cold"

"The Old Man And The Key"

I wish I'd found "The World According To Garth" myself...

Posted on Tue Feb 13 07:27:13 CET 2001 from parachute1-156-40-64-49.net.nih.gov (156.40.64.49)

Jonathan Katz

Be warned there is no Band connection to this post. I was reading Sam Shepard's log of the Rolling Thunder review and got to this chapter. It ripped me and I just had to share it:

Wax Museum

On the ground floor is a full-scale setting of the landing of the Mayflower, complete with rocking boat, computerized rainfall, and a tape-recorded narration that responds the second you push a black button on the wall. We've spent hours setting up the lights for a scene with Ginsberg and Jack Elliot. Allen is sitting in the full-lotus meditative pose among several wax Indians who are hiding behind huge wax leaves, peeking out at the white Pilgrims. Jack is inside the actual setting, shaking hands with all the Pilgrims and welcoming them to the new land. He warns them, "Never give your address out to bad company." Then tips his cowboy hat and walks out of the shot. Because of the bad lighting we aren't getting the shot down right, so Jack has to keep repeating this action and saying, "Never give your address out to bad company," over and over again until you wish one of the wax Pilgrims would tell him to shut the fuck up. Jack's begun to liven the scene up somewhat by finding a small platform to jump from and lands square in the back of the small Pilgrim craft, causing the stern to give way. "Looks like you guys'll have to bail out." He starts bailing water with his cowboy hat as the cameraman is yelling to him that he's run out of film. Jack can't hear this piece of informtion though on acount of the computerized rainstorm that cuts in along the repeating the phrase "Never give your address out to bad company" over and over again. Allen is waiting patiently in the corner for the cameraman to reload. A whole classful of school kids stampedes down the stairs, herded from behind by two very tight-faced women who turn out to be their teachers. Jack is still bailing from the boat. The kids hit the railing of the display like a flock of gibbons, yelling, "Hey, look, one of 'em's alive! Look, that guy's alive, Mrs. Thornwall!" Mrs. Thornwall is peeling the kids off the railing, sensing right off that things aren't the way they should be at this particular exhibit. Finally the narration-rainfall-ensemble comes to a silent crunch and Jack has a great idea. He breaks out his guitar and sings an old sea chanty to the kids from the midst of the wax dummies. This is truly American History.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 06:43:51 CET 2001 from host-209-214-119-173.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.119.173)

BWNWITennessee

How about, "The World According to Garth"?

Personally, I like what someone posted here awhile ago, "Bet You Never Thought I'd Get Out of That One."

Posted on Tue Feb 13 05:41:13 CET 2001 from pool-63.52.228.221.ipls.grid.net (63.52.228.221)

Bobby Jones

How About -

The Best Seat In The House

or

The Music of Angels

or

The Music Within

Posted on Tue Feb 13 04:23:01 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-24-98.maine.rr.com (66.30.24.98)

mattk

"Tunology in Broken Time"

Posted on Tue Feb 13 04:14:03 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp173.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.173)

Diamond Lil

DaveZ: It may either comfort you or scare you....not sure which..to know that _I_ read your posts :-) I too, often wondr what alot of the "voices" sound like. Alot of them I've heard..and like (some I like um..alot :-) and others I just imagine sometimes. Like..I bet Mattk talks reeaaly fast..and Hank probably laughs alot when he talks. I think of David Powell being very eloquent in his speaking manner, and John Donabie talking like I knew him all my life. And me? Well..I talk reeeaallly fast, laugh alot when I talk, but am not exactly eloquent with this awful Noo Yawk accent :-)

Anyhow..have a nice night everyone. Hug to Maud and Garth..and a biiiig one to the inimitable Mr.Hoiberg (too tired to try and remember how to make that /o thingy). Nite everyone.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 03:28:09 CET 2001 from spider-wj071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.51)

Dave Z

Terror on Lake Erie (A Journey Into The Wilderness)... I love it!!!!... But since it's only a working title... is it just a tease?... Let's see, first it was Sea of the North... which is a song title too, right?... So could this be a song title too, and if we are lucky... we will get a weekly update with a new working title... awesome!!!... Or did some mailboy grab an old working title for Quentin's new shaman book by mistake?... Oh great Merlin, tease us some more... it makes the waiting so much easier to take... I am also intrigued by the JAM CD to be put out by the Crowmatix... and Quentin's book too... Gotta save my pennies... anyway, I just got caught up on all recent posts... and rather than try to jump in on all the good stuff going on lately... and wax eloquently in a post oozing full of credibility... I'll just say... Butch, if you want to share any more of your trip notes I'm all ears... speaking of ears, admist all the good musical discussion that goes on here... it sure is hard to imagine what your voices all sound like... any clues would help?... I myself don't sound at all like Richard... but instead more like Thumper from the movie Bambi (Every once in a while I have to see if anybody is really reading my posts)...

Posted on Tue Feb 13 03:23:49 CET 2001 from 1cust254.tnt2.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.16.48.254)

rollie

Titles for Garths recording. "Honey boys Heaven"--"Merlins Musical Memoirs"------"X-treme Keyboards!!!!(gotta have one of those!)"Narcileptic Nirvana"?????

Posted on Tue Feb 13 02:43:02 CET 2001 from spider-wl043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.38)

Bayou Sam

Lil = that Hassles album is probably worth a couple of bucks. I remember back in the late 70's - my favorite record store sold a button for Billy Joel haters that said "Billy Joel is still a Hassle". I never got one myself - I think Joel is terrific.... I wonder if Billy and Garth have ever run into each other. Billy would probably talk Garth's ear off about keyboards.

My cousin and I are big fans (as you all are) of the great little fills that Garth drops into places in songs. We call them "Garth noises". I think a good title for his CD might be "Garth Noise".

I was pulling into the driveway yesterday just as "Fat Bottom Girls" was ending on the radio - I stopped the van while the station promo said "Q-104, New York's only classic rock station" - then I reached for the key to turn off the van when the opening to The Weight flowed out of the speakers. I kept the heat on, turned up the volume, and enjoyed the pleasant surprise.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 02:08:55 CET 2001 from spider-tl022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.182)

Hip Hype

Anyone intrigued enough by the recent discussion of ACADEMY OF OUTTAKES to want one can find a copy on eBay right now. Amazing!!!

Posted on Tue Feb 13 01:27:39 CET 2001 from akcf3.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.201)

Rod

I'll go with the GARTH HUDSON title as well. It has a certain ring to it - just like THE BAND.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 01:06:31 CET 2001 from 56k-socal-03-38.dial.qnet.com (209.221.198.197)

Dave the phone guy

Many Miles Lots of Fun Great Music Incredible Band Levon Helm and the Barn Burners on tour in Calfornia

This is a hard-working powerful blues band. Very professional. In the couple of clubs where there were opening acts the level of professionalism skyrocketed when the Barn Burners came on stage. There's no wasted effort setting up, playing, or tearin' down. These guys know their business. I can not over-emphathize how good these players and their music comes across live. If you have a chance to see 'em don't miss it.

Electrified Delta blues (Muddy Waters Junior Parker Little Walter) and some originals played with energy and honesty. Driven by a drummer that is commanding and powerful and JUST RIGHT! Chris O'Leary SOUNDS like Butterfield or Cotton on harmonica but PLAYS his own thing that comes from some spooky bluesy place. Just when you think his long time partner Pat O'Shea is gonna play it straight and safe on his guitar solos he literally JUMPS frets. Not last nights solo, no, immediate improv that bites you and hurts in a good way. Great guitar tone(pure, biting and full) Speaking of tone, the sound of Tenor Sax doesn't get any better than that Bobby Keys. (TONE! note selection, phrasing, bluesy and soulful) Oh my God! Bobby Keys! Something new everytime. You've heard upright Bass players clicking strings, sliding a quarter tone into the note. Not Frank Ingrao! He plays PURE Bass. Perfect intonation, no strings clacking. You can see he FEELS the music. That "feel" pushes the music into an emotional place. When Frank gets in that "zone" man, the blues hits ya hard. The vocals. OUCH! You gotta love these singers. Chris is powerful, blusey, tender, and SCARY! Amy is not a beginner learning the roaps. That gal can sang! (clear and strong with commanding presence) Chris and Amy don't need a P.A. They got pipes! When they team up on vocals they'll tear your head off.

This group takes chances. They don't play it the same way every night. (Sax, guitar, and harmonica solos that travel new ground, different vocal phrasing and vocal notes. What was a low note hear is a high note there the next night. Yeah, it's FRESH! Levon, that's a one of a kind drummer. Drums, for me anyway, don't get any better than this. You can have your Carl Palmers, Keith Moons, etc. I'll take Levon Helm, thankyou very much.

The new Yamaha "blues set" has medallions on each drum that says "Absolute" They are all birch shells. He's using a Sabien ride cymbal, a Zildjian Med. dark crash cymbal, and Zildjian Hi-Hats. The sticks are Pro-Mark Millenium II 7A. Guitars are a Gibson Es-350 and an eighties Fender Stratocaster, through an old Fender spring reverb(brown tolex)into a vintage Fender Twin(before reverb was invented)Blonde w/ the light tan speaker grill cloth. Harmonicas through a Ekostat(lead colored bullet shaped)microphone into tape echoplex into vintage Fender four ten Concert amp. Bass through a Gk amp and a four ten SWR bass cabinet. Don't get close to Mr. Keys instument O.K?

Partial song list Shuffle in "E" to open some shows with. Mr. Used To Be(original) I'm Ready Long Distance Call Mannish Boy Wang Dang Doodle(Chris and Amy teaming up OUCH!) Circus Tune(original) Grass Is Always Greener(five star original) Water Rising(original, Chris and Amy sharing vocal) I Just Want To Make Love To You(Barn Burner style) Hound Dog(Amy on First two verses then Chris quoting a verse out of a Sonny Boy Williamson song then back to Amy for last verse) Shake a Hand Dance With Me Henry Mr. Porter into Mystery Train(levon in the engine room) Walk the Walk Dress Blues(original) Kansas City(Barn Burner style) Hide and Seek Evan Shuffle w Levon faking the audience out with multiple endings(great closer)

I've been to a Lot of Blues Festivals and seen a Lot of bands. Trust me on this one. It's as Real and Genuine as it gets.

Posted on Tue Feb 13 00:45:18 CET 2001 from m198214181246.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.246)

Pehr

I'm with Peter. GARTH HUDSON. In the biggest letters that will fit. If It needs any other title, how about "'Nuff Said"...

Posted on Mon Feb 12 23:05:57 CET 2001 from jan-hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.52.15)

jh

I like _Sea to the North_, too, with it's references to Canada and the great lakes (and Norway, North of the North Sea?). A little mystical, as a a Band-related release should be. Or what about _London (Ontario) Calling_? _Name This Music_? _Contemporary Blues Piano_?

Posted on Mon Feb 12 22:04:38 CET 2001 from du-tele3-022.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.22)

Peter Viney

Garth titles: I like "North to the Sea" as that brings him to Hudson's Bay. But actually I'd just call it a simple definitive GARTH HUDSON - we've all waited a long time for it. it doesn't need a theme!

Posted on Mon Feb 12 21:20:32 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp36.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.36)

Diamond Lil

Ok boys and girls..time to put our thinking caps back on and come up with some more names for Garth's upcoming cd. I know we've talked about this before...but we'd like more suggestions. I kind of like "Garth: Soaring Solo" myself. Anyone else?

Thanks to everyone who posted about David Gray. Am really liking his white ladder cd alot.

Forgive me for forgetting who replied to my post about The Hassles..but the album I have is the green one with yellow letters.

Have a nice night everyone.

Posted on Mon Feb 12 20:21:51 CET 2001 from proxy1-external.moline1.il.home.com (24.4.252.114)

Mike

Hello. It's been a while since I last posted here. I had made a trade with someone last fall named Kevin Tomassic. I lost his email address. I was to have sent him the 76 King Biscuit show. I never did get that cd so I wanted to let him have something else or pay him for what he sent me. If he reads this, I apologize! Onto the upcoming reissue of Rock Of Ages, I think ( I may be wrong) that the versions of Time To Kill, The Rumor, I Shall Be Released, Up On Cripple Creek and Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever may be the same as on Watkins Glen. At least they'll be available in a proper context. They may not be either! But, those songs mentioned above from the watkins Glen sure do SOUND like they are from the ROA shows (drum, bass, piano and guitar tones). Kevin, if you read this...email me immediately! Thank you. Peace. Mike

Posted on Mon Feb 12 20:19:30 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

In the new Billboard Magazine, Music From Big Pink was certified GOLD on Jan. 24th, 2001. This surprised me because I thought that it had been GOLD a long time, at least shortly after cds first came out. At any rate........CONGRATS TO THE BAND!!

Posted on Mon Feb 12 19:53:51 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tc011.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.151)

Tommy

Hey, does anyone know if this Ringo and the All Starr Band Anthology (imported from the UK) that I got for my birthday is the same one that's gonna be released in America soon (so says VH1)? Any info would be much appreciated.Thanks.

Hmm... I always thought David Gray WAS Irish.Oh well...

Posted on Mon Feb 12 19:49:57 CET 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Lil: The Hassles had two LPs - the gatefold one with a green front cover and a red one with white lettering. Then Billy Joel and fellow Hassle Little Jon (or something like that) had an LP as Attila. Dumb cover with the two dressed as they figured Huns would have. In the late '70s a friend of mine, who seemed to the world's biggest Billy Joel fan - and could even claim some sort of friendship with him - and was also friendly with Levon Helm. (I know this because she introduced me to him at a Cates Brothers show at the Le Coq D'Or.)

Posted on Mon Feb 12 18:11:40 CET 2001 from (194.255.109.209)

HANK

Wonderful Wonderful...............Well here I am in The Coop........playing Foleys and other assorted gigs for the next two weeks with Ray Barron, a mandolin player I made an album with, which some folks here on The GB have heard........starting off most of the gigs so far with Evangeline which segues into a cajun waltz and two step thing......going very well..........David Gray is Welsh but has been very popular in Ireland for 5 years........he got popular fær two reasons 1 he got blanket coverage on a show called No Disco.......an indie TV show.........and THEN 2 by going out and playing dynamite gigs in SMALL venues all over Ireland.........he was signed, dropped.......had some of his songs covered by Mary Black, a very famous singer in Ireland....was signed up again and released Babylon, the rest is history, as they say.........I like Babylon alot.......and a coupla other songs.....not nuts about the SOUND of his records....but he is a great performer.........and everyone coming up in Ireland now is compared to him..............Anyone here remember when Ringo went bald for a while.......his retrospective is on sale up here....... a live CD....with Rick, Levon et all on it.......I gotta go........but it's good to read y'all from here...........

Posted on Mon Feb 12 17:14:04 CET 2001 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Pat Brennan, thanks for the info on the Watkins Glen-ROA snafu. For those of you playing along at home, the "problematic" version of Lovin' You Is Sweeter Than Ever actually first popped up on the 3CD boot Crossing the Great Divide, (correctly) billed as a Rock of Ages outtake. At the time, those of us with the Crossing set assumed the attribution was wrong..."what are they talking about, this is a Watkins Glen track." Guess what!!

Posted on Mon Feb 12 17:03:41 CET 2001 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Don P, here's a Band-Bela Fleck connection: both The Band and Bela are friends of Woodstock resident Artie Traum, and both played on his Meetings With Remarkable Friends album a few years back (each track was a collaboration between Artie and a guest artist). If you like acoustic instrumental albums, you owe it to yourself to pick up this album...some beautiful, evocative playing. Glad you enjoyed the show!

Posted on Mon Feb 12 15:17:17 CET 2001 from spider-tl044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.194)

bob wigo

Good to hear from you Butch. Glad the trip was safe and successful. My nephew said the show at Croce's in San Diego was great.I hope you were able to squeeze in a little birthday celebration along the way.

Would anyone else like their Rubin "to go" ?

Posted on Mon Feb 12 13:02:26 CET 2001 from (159.134.223.231)

Jo

Please see article on The Band that went live on muse.ie last Friday 09 Feb, and will always be accessible via our archive - http://www.muse.ie/090201/thescope/audiosync.html Thanks

Posted on Mon Feb 12 12:39:41 CET 2001 from 195.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.195)

carmen

Did some house painting this weekend. The playlist was ROA, Jubilation, TLW,Rick Danko # 1 and Brown (Remaster).

It was all good!

Posted on Mon Feb 12 12:20:40 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tb081.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.56)

bennie rubin

Recent live shows with Band related groups, Gurus rockin hard over the weekend. Good rockin blues,and guitar instrumentals. big fun. Louie and the Crowmatics good players entertaining show. not since the captain and taneille have I seen such a show. Welcome home Barn Burners, awaiting reviews from butch, we like it when you bore us.

Posted on Mon Feb 12 11:51:50 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp242.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.242)

Lil Again

Sorry. Lysdexic early in the morning. That would be "The Hassles"...mixed the letters up twice in the last post. And btw..it's from 1967.

Posted on Mon Feb 12 11:47:31 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp242.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.242)

Diamond Lil

Wow. Was going through some of my husband's old albums here, and came across one by "The Hassels"..a local Long Island Band made up of 4 unknowns...with one 18 year old "William Joseph Martin Joel" as lead singer and piano player. Tom Shannon of CKLW in Detroit writes inside the cover "Look for the name, the Hassels, to take it's place in the pop stardom Hall of Fame". They didn't quite make it, but ol William Joseph Martin Joel...now known as just Billy Joel...certainly did.

A little bit of nostalgia there I guess. ust kind of blew me away when I saw it here. Can't wait to give it a listen!

Nope..nothing Band related...but it kind of intrigued me to fine someone of musical fame, at his humble beginning, here in my vinyl collection.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Mon Feb 12 10:59:14 CET 2001 from kir.karkkila.fi (194.211.205.77)

Kalervo

This is really a club where fine artists get their credits. David Gray, for instance. And Carlene Carter, I have interviewed and hugged her (sometimes I am doing some freelance jobs), a lovely gal!....,,, Again I must advertise Richard Buckner, one of my best musical findings (agh..I mean I found him for my ears..huh) in recent years.He is a missing link between Jesse Winchester and the Band, an excellent singer and songwriter...

Posted on Mon Feb 12 09:20:28 CET 2001 from du-tele3-095.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.95)

Peter Viney

Moreon the "other" Barn Burners. A closer look at the sleeve after I posted indicated it was recorded in Baltimore (on Run Wild records) - the record company address was Lebanon, NJ. Also they had a previous album, "Tobacco Sunburst" and their web link doesn't work. Any more info on this?

Posted on Mon Feb 12 07:05:34 CET 2001 from spider-wk074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.184)

butch

just got back from the road,,,,,,,,,,watta trip !!!!!!!!!!!!

The Barn Burners were TRIUMPHANT !!!!!!!!!! o

Our friends & fans were SO GREAT !!!!!!!! HUGE THANKS!!!! Dave ( the phone guy ) & Yolanda,, we wish we could clone you,,,, ALL those shows,, & miles we shared,,,,,,you da best !!!!!!!!

There were sold out shows, & special guests, & broken windows & surprise blizzards,&Bobby Keys & Pat O'Shea, & Frankie Ingrao & Amy Helm,,,,,,,, & Chris & Levon,,,,,ALL kicked major musical butt on this go round,,,,

i have 6 pages of notes,, but wont bore ya with all the details,,,, i had fun ,, they had fun,, the audience & club owners had fun,,, we met hundreds of new friends & fans,,,i have 11 new snow-globes & 14 new tee shirts, (heh,heh,heh, ) but now we be home,, & ready for the next thang,,,,,,,

see ya soon,, & Thanks TO ALL,,,, again,,,,, Dave , you da man,,,,,,,,, bd

Posted on Mon Feb 12 05:40:22 CET 2001 from 22-102.001.popsite.net (64.24.58.102)

Chris

For all you Canadian music lovers out there. Had the pleasure of seeing Garnett Rogers at the Old Town School of Folk Music tonight. The room is great and Garnett can really play guitar. His voice is incredible. Anyone else a Garnett fan? My favorite tune is "Small Victories'.

Posted on Mon Feb 12 03:47:13 CET 2001 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Bela Fleck connection to The Band? One easy, direct line is the link of both to Bruce Hornsby. Bela and Bruce have recorded together a lot and play onstage together seemingly as often as possible...

Posted on Mon Feb 12 03:38:14 CET 2001 from (209.186.12.34)

DP

Two posts in one, first, for all the Entertainment tonight fans, Neil Diamond had the largest divorce settlement to date in the US, ready,,,,,,,,, 150 Million, and that ain't chopped liver.

Second, and the real reason for the post, live music is the cure for whatever ails you. Last night, my wife and myself waited over 1 hour in the Atanta cold, to buy tickets to see Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. Too cheap or just too stubborn to buy from Ticketmonster, we endured, got our tickets, saw a major motorcycle wreck, wolfed down a sicilian at Rocky's and went in and picked our seats. People, Bela and his men are real, yes, there is probably no Band circle here, except what ails ya, can be cured. If Bela is in your neighborhood, go, hey, maybe we ain't the troopers like the G Man, but this was pure magic.

Posted on Mon Feb 12 00:45:26 CET 2001 from cacheflow.nettally.com (199.44.53.3)

Brent

Sorry for the double post, forgot that i had a musical question or two!

Does anyone know how the intro to "The Weight" was accomplished on Big Pink, ie is that two acoustic guitar tracks, guitar and mandolin, or what?? it has a very interesting sound.

Also, does anyone know the guitar chords for "Don't Do It"? I haven't been able to find a transcription.

Thanks, Brent

Posted on Mon Feb 12 00:19:36 CET 2001 from cacheflow.nettally.com (199.44.53.3)

Brent

(Mr.) Viney: good call on Academy. What an amazing show. (Mr.) Brennan: I knew someone would get to the bottom of the whole Watkins Glen thing.

I've created a little Flash file in homage to *our* Barn Burners- you can get there by clicking the link above. Pretty simple, but there's a snippet of music and a couple of photos. You'll need the Macromedia Flash player to view it, available at www.macromedia.com.

Hope you folks enjoy it!

Posted on Sun Feb 11 23:01:02 CET 2001 from du-tele3-041.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.41)

Peter Viney

“Academy of Outtakes” is (in my opinion) the best Band live album, albeit a bootleg, so I guess the RoA remaster is an essential purchase. (Mr) Danko is in stunning form throughout, showing clearly how important the bass riff is in Stage Fright songs.

A question: today I picked up a CD at a record fair, called “Alibis” by … The Barn Burners. But it’s a different Barn Burners. The group on this 2000 release are an alt.country band from Lebanon, New Jersey. Two guitars, bass and drums. See http://members.aol.com.baltoroots. I was examing the cover in great surprise and the stallholder recommended it highly. He was right. It’s very good with a couple of pastiche early 60s rock tracks. Presumably both sets of Barn Burners are aware of each other, being reasonably close geographically, apart from the river in between. So, is there a problem with confusing the names?

Posted on Sun Feb 11 22:12:33 CET 2001 from cr914586-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com (24.42.211.237)

John Brack

I certainly enjoyed your selection of music, and it would sound good to have some of it sung at a Pow Wow, like the Annual Odawa Pow Wow in May. For more information on this Pow Wow, please keep in touch with the Odawa Native Friendship Centre. E-mail: info@odawa.on.ca Tel:(613)722-3811 Fax:(613)722-4667 12 Stirling Avenue Ottawa, Ontario K1Y 1P8

Posted on Sun Feb 11 22:02:41 CET 2001 from www-cache-external.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.196.201)

Amanda

Thoughtful fans may enjoy the article above (click webpage- I just pasted the url into the webpage box) “Fandom, Faith, and Bruce Springsteen” by Jefferson Cowie Although its about Bruce Springsteen it touches on themes that have come up here from time to time…America, etc.

Also has some interesting thoughts about the nature of fandom. Eg. This may reasonate for some of you… “Fandom may figure in the power of the mass culture industry, and it may also be a kind of twentieth-century cult," he claims, "but for fans, it is about devotion, creating meaning in daily life through sustained attention to musical performance." Do you think that might be part of what happens here???

Posted on Sun Feb 11 21:58:21 CET 2001 from user-33qt936.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.102)

Pat Brennan

BWNWITenn, well at least we see now why Capitol pulled WG from the racks. Rmemeber though that the Dylan stuff on the RoA reissue is pretty big.

Posted on Sun Feb 11 21:53:49 CET 2001 from host-209-214-116-179.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.116.179)

BWNWITennessee

Thanks for the info, Pat. I now know I'm not going waste my money on the ROA rerelease, thus giving Capitol a third chance to rip us all off. And just wait until they release all of the additional songs from the whole remaster series as its own CD, plus one additional song, natch. Did they really think that no one would notice, "Hey, these songs from Rock of Ages are exactly the same as the ones that were supposed to be from Watkins Glen." Ridiculous. Maybe we can all get together and file a class-action suit for false advertising. I know I'm feeling some pain and suffering. :-)

Posted on Sun Feb 11 21:46:22 CET 2001 from host-209-214-116-179.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.116.179)

BWNWITennessee

A couple of years ago, I heard a song on an indie radio station, I thought the DJ said it was by David Gray, or David James, maybe. It was about the ghost of Elvis meeting the ghost of Jessie, Elvis' stillborn twin, and E. was telling him all about his life, and the strange things that happened to him and where he ended up, and sort of a comparison to Jessie, who (as a ghost) had stayed a blue-collar everyman kind of figure. I only heard it once, but thought it was really good, does anyone know if it's by our David Gray, or if not, who it is by? I think it might have been called "The Ghost of Elvis," or something like that.

I received a copy of the (somewhat) new Shelby Lynne CD that I'm kind of diggin' on. I wasn't all that into it when I heard the songs on the radio, but now that I have the whole album I'm likin' it more. She kind of sounds like a more soulful, modern Sheryl Crow. I don't know if she's getting airplay other places, but on our AC station down here, they're just playing the hell out of her.

Cheers.

Posted on Sun Feb 11 21:29:35 CET 2001 from user-33qt936.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.102)

Pat Brennan

Hollow Roy, someone named Paul Williams wrote the liner notes to Shine On Brightly and addressed them to someone named Michael. The members of Procol Harum however have never said anything of the sort. In fact, Procol's pianist Gary Brooker said he got the idea for the dual keyboards when he saw Dylan and the boys in London in 1966. RR made disparaging remarks about PH back in the 60's, but the members of PH had nothing but wonderful things to say about the Band. The PH website--which as I've said before is the second best music site on the net--addresses some of these points in greater detail.

Posted on Sun Feb 11 21:22:14 CET 2001 from user-33qt936.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.102)

Pat Brennan

Having a bit of time on my hands today, I ran Loving You from Academy of Outtakes against the Watkins Glen version. Apart from some mixing considerations and the now ridiculous crowd noises on WG, the two versions are, in fact, the exact same performance. Furthermore, I Shall Be Released, Time To Kill, and The Rumor are also from the AoO boot. Cripple Creek is not. You are all free to make your own judgements.

Posted on Sun Feb 11 21:20:29 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-te072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.182)

Hollow Roy

Dr. Pepper~ Good observation. Looks like Keith Moon was the only one who took that line to heart.

Lil~ It's good to hear about Johnny Winter still going on; especially in the light of the fact that the man looked like he'd served three life sentences thirty years ago.--I'm wondering why David Gray's "Babylon" didn't get a Grammy nomination. Too folky maybe? Why, I remember a time when folkies were booed viciously for playing rock and roll.

Some random questions perhaps someone here can answer:

Isn't that a harpitar that Robbie played on the theme for "The last Waltz", and does he ever play the harp strings?

Anyone remember the liner notes from Procol Harum's "Shine on Brightly" wherein they brag about their supposed influence on Music from Big Pink?

Why has the Band never performed "Up on Cripple Creek" in any of the post-Robbie concerts that I've seen?

Anyone seen the Carlene Carter music video where Levon apppears as a backup singer?

Ophelia later, Roy

Posted on Sun Feb 11 20:22:40 CET 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr Pepper

I wonder if the AARP folks realized that part of the lyrics to "My Generation" is "I hope I die before I grow old

Posted on Sun Feb 11 19:55:04 CET 2001 from dap-208-40-137-46.sns234.tnt-1.robinson.pa.stargate.net (208.40.137.46)

bob smith

i think the band is the best group that ever lived ive been a fan since big pink, if any one cares to e mail me feel free thank you bob,.. hoboman_2

Posted on Sun Feb 11 13:57:58 CET 2001 from spider-ta078.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.11)

Joe

I guess I'm giving away my age...but.....There is an article on "The Band" remasters in the March - April 2001 edition of "My Generation". It is a new magazine being put out by the AARP (American Association of Retired People for you younger folk).I would guess alot of us fit into that catergory!

Posted on Sun Feb 11 05:52:37 CET 2001 from cache1.ev1.net (207.218.245.6)

Laura Holt Lorfing

My thanks to Tommy for the David Gray info. Now when I play this CD for company and I am asked about this guy ..I will have some background on him. Well, I can't believe I am turning in for the night..Austin, TX time is only 10:35 pm. Pretty lame for a Saturday night but I have come to the conclusion that 5 months worth of pregnancy makes a once wild woman very tame! PEACE and goodnight to everyone in Bandville :)

Posted on Sun Feb 11 04:42:56 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO NICO FROM THE LOWLANDS!!!!!

"Live your life

as if you were creating a work of art

put those things you find most beautiful in it"

Yes, the Chinese horoscope for your animal sign for the year 2001 that I sent you (I attended a Lunar New Year fundraiser for breakfast programs for children and received this year's predictions) is for everyone in the world born under that animal sign.

Posted on Sun Feb 11 04:21:34 CET 2001 from 209-69-102-154.hsacorp.net (209.69.102.154)

Bobbi

I've been enjoying David Gray's "Babylon" also. When I discover a new (to me) artist, or want information about an album, I like to check it out on allmusic.com. Someimes they have a great deal of good info: album reviews, complete credit lists, links to other artists, etc. If I knew how to insert links, I'd put one here.

I was interested to notice that David Gray's album White Ladder has a Band link. Allmusic.com lists Marius DeVries in the album credits for programming; he also worked on RR's Contact From the Underworld of Redboy, doing programming, production, keyboards, and mixing.

Posted on Sun Feb 11 03:34:36 CET 2001 from mplsdslgw10poola186.mpls.uswest.net (63.228.40.186)

P.S. 2001

I got some new news on Garth's solo album, and a new message board to add comments or start disscusions on my Garth site. Please stop by! Also click on the banner and visit Sheet Music Plus' website. They have some great sheet music books there, and great prices. I thought some of you would br interested. Thanks!

Posted on Sun Feb 11 02:51:48 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

Blind Willie McTell

I came across an interesting story today that started with the following post to the Canadian Classic Rock news group.Has anyone heard this story?

February 9, 1968 - The Band, in Big Pink, record I Shall Be Released. Sung by Richard Manuel, the song has gone on to have a long life, recorded by dozens. It was written by Bob Dylan, but history has given the definitive version to The Band.

Jaimie Vernon, of Bullseye Records, Inc. wrote: "Someone told me that when Other People's Music president Jan Haust approached Garth Hudson about possibly releasing an old tape of The Hawks that had been recorded in an Ontario barn during the early '60s the conversation took quite an unexpected turn. Haust wanted Hudson (and the other Band members) to hear how amazing the quality of the tapes were and explained to Hudson that he had gotten them from the woman (or parents) who had owned the barn.

Haust played the songs to Hudson over the phone pointing out phenomenal instrumental and vocal passages in several different songs. Hudson fell silent and then quietly asked for the woman's phone number. Thinking that Hudson might be considering calling his lawyer to refute the woman's claim of ownership on the tapes, Haust panicked and ran the defensive. These were historical recordings! The public needed to hear these! Couldn't Hudson understand how important a recorded document these tapes were?

Hudson explained that he recalled the gig and had lost a watch at the barn that night and wanted to phone the woman to see if she still had it lying around somewhere. Apparently, Robbie Robertson has prevented the release of the Jan Haust tapes".

Posted on Sun Feb 11 02:03:57 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp223.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.223)

Diamond Lil

Tommy/Peter: Thanks for the info on David Gray. Much appreciated. For those of you who haven't heard him..give him a listen.

And more importantly, to my 2 favorite 'plasterheads'...thanks for all your help tonight. I'm going to bed now. It's been waaay too loong of a day.

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Sun Feb 11 01:20:37 CET 2001 from user-33qtabh.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.169.113)

Pat Brennan

A cursory examination of Academy of Outtakes and the Capitol verson of Watkins Glen reveals a not so startling revelation: I think it's safe to say that Loving You from WG comes from the RoA outtakes, perhaps even the AoO version. It's been remixed but I'm going to side-by-side them when I get some time. I forget who posted earlier concerning our inevitable disappointment that WG's Loving You may reappear on the upcoming RoA release, but it was a really good call.

Posted on Sat Feb 10 23:59:35 CET 2001 from spider-wj054.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.44)

Tommy

David Gray is an Irish singer/songwriter that's been around for about ten years. The reason he hasn't had much exposure on the music channels is probably because most of his stuff leading up to his current album, which uses alot of electronic sounds (like drum machines and samples), is very much acoustic driven folk music.Also kinda celtic in nature...not something the music channels and modern rock radio stations usually play.He's a REALLY good singer and writes some GREAT melodies and lyrics!!! I suggest everyone here check him out.

Also, here's a cool story about him...

...In late '95 my friend Chris went to the city ,trying to get some scalped tickets to see a David Gray show. He (Gray) was opening up for RADIOHEAD, who at the time was like the biggest band around.So, needless to say, the tickets were hard to come by. Hanging out outside the venue, my friend Chris actually MET David Gray and some members of Radiohead! He explained to Mr.Gray that he came to see HIM and couldnt get a ticket cause of Radiohead's popularity.Somehow, David got him and 2 other of my friends into the show -FREE!!!That's pretty cool.He must be a decent guy, and caring towards his fans. This story made me a David Gray fan.

Hope I helped anyone...

~Tommy

Posted on Sat Feb 10 23:28:31 CET 2001 from du-tele3-110.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.110)

Peter Viney

David Gray has been around for a few years (1995 at least) and seemingly suffered the vicissitudes of the business, having been dumped by a couple of major labels. Suddenly he became an MTV Europe star in 2000 selling to a surprisingly young audience. His “White Ladders” album has gone multi-platinum in Europe. He’s an old fashioned singer songwriter and his 1995-99 collection “Lost songs” has gathered fulsome reviews recently. Haven’t heard it. I think I read that he went to school in St David’s, Pembrokeshire in Wales (where I’ve often spent holidays, though I claim no credit!) He’s been compared to Van the Man, who he quotes, and I think one of his albums was originally on an Irish label (Hank?). Anyway, “Babylon” has been on MTV-Europe for the last several months in heavy rotation.

Posted on Sat Feb 10 22:49:10 CET 2001 from cache1.ev1.net (207.218.245.6)

Laura Holt Lorfing

I'm with Lil on this David Grey thing. I heard "Babylon" on Austin radio and LOVED IT! I bought the cd two days later. If anyone knows anything about this artist please post. I have no clue if he has been around and I have just not been aware of his talent or if this is a newcomer to the music scene. Either way..he's GREAT! I encourage others to listen to this cd and see for yourself. PEACE ALL. :)

Posted on Sat Feb 10 19:56:36 CET 2001 from user-33qt8do.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.184)

Pat Brennan

On Saturday Night Live two weeks before TLW, Richard sat sideways at his piano facing the audience, kind of his position when we would play his electric piano during Shape I'm In, and sang Georgia while holding the mic. Since John Simon played piano on Tura Lura Lura, I'm assuming Richard also struck that pose for that song.

Personally, I would substitute Georgia for Neil Diamond's moment in the sun.

The whole Dylan/Diamond thing has a funny irony to it. After Rolling Thunder wound down, Dylan supposedly saw ND's show in Vegas and was so impressed by it that he used it as a blueprint for his next step, documented late on Live At Budokan.

Posted on Sat Feb 10 19:45:11 CET 2001 from host-209-105-39-191.acetelephone.com (209.105.39.191)

bill

Anybody have any idea how I can get a copy of the video The Band Is Back? The 84 reunion tour. Thanks.

Posted on Sat Feb 10 18:28:41 CET 2001 from m198214181105.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.105)

pehr

speaking of speculation, I can only imagine Neil Diamond in Taxi Driver, although it is a bit early in the day for that kind of thing... There is a band around here called the "Diamond Smugglers" that are devoted completely to Neil D. They are all good musicians, wear loud 70's suits and hair, and one of the highlights is the drummer stepping off the riser to sing "Sweet Caroline". Cool shows, people are free to enjoy,laugh or cry.

Nice story about Brian Wilson. I'm tempted to agree with Sir Elton.

Played "Times like These" in class this morning. A student told me they used to sing "Let the Four Winds Blow" in the service during drills. I had no idea.

Posted on Sat Feb 10 16:41:51 CET 2001 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Lil: I believe and I'm sure others know better, there was a problem with the camera that was suppose to be on Richard and or there was a misdirection with shooting him and that's why you rarely see himin the Last Waltz. AND if you ever get a chance to listen to TCLW-Richard doesn't sing many of his songs well at all. It sounds to me like he had too much fun before the show and you know what happens when you have too much fun...,

Posted on Sat Feb 10 16:36:20 CET 2001 from spider-ta023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.53)

Bayou Sam

That really is a great photo of Richard. I don't have a copy of TCLW so I'm not as familiar with all the songs that were cut out. Did Richard stand at the mic. and sing any songs? He is holding the mic and it dosen't seem to be on a mic. stand. Being a photographer, I noticed that his vest vest is "bunching up" which suggests that he's sitting (at the piano).......Sorry about the speculating Lil. I couldn't help it.... Hey - at least I didn't bring up a certain long-haired, cross-legged, guitar-picker. :-)

Posted on Sat Feb 10 14:58:03 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp155.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.155)

Diamond Lil

Nearly 9am on a Saturday morning, and since my family is all still sleeping, thought I'd say good morning to my Band family. I'm listening to a cd here that I bought last night. Someone named 'David Gray'...who I never heard of until I fell in love with his tune "Babylon". Is he a newcomer, or is he someone that I just never noticed before? I _really_ like him. Was wondering if anyone could tell me something about him. The liner notes don't tell much at all. Thanks.

I know this has been discussed ad-nauseum in here before, but I don't remember ever reading a factual answer to this question. After just looking at that great close-up of Richard again (thanks Pat Brennan)..why is that segment with him _not_ in TLW film? Whether it was taken during 'Georgia' or 'Tura lura lura'...why was it so blatantly omitted? Please...no speculation..we've been there and done that. If anyone knows..for sure...please tell me. Thanks.

I'd also just like to say "hei" to Jan's new student helpers who've been working hard around this site.

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Sat Feb 10 14:14:26 CET 2001 from du23-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.23)

Meadowlark

Thank you, Peter Viney, for mentioning BUFFY SAINTE-MARIE in your Folk article. She has not been discussed recently if ever here in Guestbook.

Posted on Sat Feb 10 02:27:15 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tb044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.39)

Bayou Sam

This was in todays New York Daily News. I thought it was amusing.

- Brian Wilson was trembling Tuesday night as he waited to meet Elton John backstage after an L.A. concert the Rocket Man put on with Billy Joel. "I'm so nervous to meet him," Wilson was heard to say. - Silly Beach Boy. Sir Elton, who'd joined Joel in a cover of "California Girls", emerged from his dressing room to pronounce Wilson "America's greatest living composer."

Posted on Sat Feb 10 01:51:06 CET 2001 from hyp01-207-97-142-44.i-2000.net (207.97.142.44)

BK

A big ol' Happy Birthday to Butch, and thanks for keeping us posted!

Hope to see you and the BB's back at Stanhope in New Jersey sometime - Bill K

Posted on Sat Feb 10 00:28:14 CET 2001 from du-tele3-105.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.105)

Peter Viney

From the latest “Uncut” – an article on Scorsese websites. Ref: godamongdirectors.com

“a suberb article … called “Cabbin’ Fever” reveals the apalling fact that Neil Diamond was actually screen tested for the film (Taxi Driver) – presumably on the recommendation of Scorsese’s friend Robbie Robertson, who also roped the singer into The Last Waltz”

I don’t mind Diamond myself but thought some might find it amusing.

Much as I like "All things Must pass" reviews are unanimous that the new bonus track "My Sweet Lord (2000)" is "dispensable". Actually it's mind-numbingly awful. Beyond redemption. Thank goodness The Band have never attempted a "The Weight (2000)"

Posted on Sat Feb 10 00:13:24 CET 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

Pehr

Happy Birthday Butch! Thanks for everthing!

Thanks for sharing the pictures of Rick with us, Carol C. Just last week we were discussing our favorite photos of Rick. These are wonderful!

Posted on Fri Feb 9 21:12:35 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Great articles on Levon and the BBs! Thanks for sharing! I am really getting excited for the cd. I wish they would hurry up and put one out. Think of all the fans that would buy them at the shows if they were available.

Anyone ever heard of Mike Younger??

Posted on Fri Feb 9 18:13:48 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Hey Butch---Happy B Day(Pennay for a Gift??)!! Thanks for two show in Schenectady---thats a short trip!!!

Posted on Fri Feb 9 17:32:19 CET 2001 from cache-2.atw.pa.webcache.rcn.net (208.59.249.9)

Krispy

Butch - Just wanted to wish you a very Happy Birthday today! Hope it's a great one!

Posted on Fri Feb 9 17:17:42 CET 2001 from dialup-209.245.111.101.manchester1.level3.net (209.245.111.101)

RAY P

MY GOOD FRIEND AND BANDMATE JOE D TURNED ME ON TO THIS SITE. GREAT STUFF AND GOOD PEOPLE. A QUICK WORD OF THANKS TO THOSE WHO PURCHASED OUR CD (THE PARLOUR BAND). CERTAINLY OUR INFLUENCES ARE EVIDENT.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 14:53:32 CET 2001 from spider-wl063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.48)

Mike

Happy Birthay, Butch. Thanks for helping the guys through the years.

Bayou Sam -- The new Rolling Stone says it all. They were amazing. After all these years...Who will remember Britney and company 37 years from now?

The Eggheads? I think one of them got into developing software :)

Posted on Fri Feb 9 14:49:03 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ti013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.153)

bob wigo

If my math is correct that Butch Dener must have had an eventful fourteenth birthday celebration.I hope today is every bit as much fun for you friend.I wish you health, prosperity and peace. Happy Birthday Butch !!!!

For all the AOL subscribers here -- there is a nice collection of Beatles photos from their 1964 visit to the States that you can access from your "Welcome" page.It is difficult to comprehend that thirty seven years have passed since John, Paul, George and Ringo cut the ribbon on the British Invasion and turned America's Pop culture on its ear.

"...they say in the end it's the blink of an eye."

Posted on Fri Feb 9 12:42:16 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp99.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.99)

Diamond Lil

I see by the 'concerts' section of this site that there's a band called "WS Walcott's Medicine Show" touring Holland doing a tribute to The Band. If anyone across the ocean has seen them, could you please post about it? I'd love to know what tunes they do and how they are. Thanks.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 11:35:13 CET 2001 from spider-te044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.194)

bennie rubin

For Crabby's list of bald performers, Sawyer Brown, Billy C from smashing pumpkins. My kids have just started a garage band and are calling it the Butch. happy birthday to MR Dener.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 11:34:44 CET 2001 from 64.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.64)

carmen

Regarding Stagefright, I think it was written for Richard. This is a great song and I also always wanted to know why RR and the rest of the band would never discus who this was written for.

Great Pictures. One thing I noticed is Rick's hands. He looks as if his hands are strong enough to crush rocks. Makes you wonder how he could play!

Happy Friday and Best Regards!

Posted on Fri Feb 9 11:09:06 CET 2001 from pool-63.49.29.119.mmph.grid.net (63.49.29.119)

Jeff Foster

I've had the first two Band records for six or seven years, but just saw "The Last Waltz" last week. Rick Danko blew me away. "It Makes No Difference" (I first heard this song in a cover by the Mekons) was just heartbreaking. Danko's voice live--warbly and unpolished--is exactly everything that's great about the Band. Did Danko write the song? Or was it Robertson? Not that it particularly matters--nobody sang "Blue Moon" like Elvis, after all.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 06:58:42 CET 2001 from cache-rf07.proxy.aol.com (152.163.188.167)

Donna

I just picked up the Double Trouble CD, "Been A Long Time". This is quite an enjoyable CD, a sort of open mic jam. There is Chris Layton, Doyle Bramhall II, Willie Nelson, Kenny Wayne Sheherd, Jimmie Vaughan, and Charlie Sexton. Susan Tedeschi, sings "In the Garden". Then my favorite of all is Dr. John, singing "Baby, There's No one Like you". A must get CD.

When I posted earlier this morning, I failed to mention the great photos of Rick! Brought a smile to my face, even before my first cup of coffee!

Butch: Wishing you a very happy birthday!

Posted on Fri Feb 9 06:52:02 CET 2001 from spider-we023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.28)

Bayou Sam

Pat Brennan = great photo of Richard.

Kevin Gilbertson = I loved that story about Pete Townsend and Chest Fever.

I mentioned Orange Juice Blues earlier - I don't know if it's on any other releases, but there is a previously unreleased studio version on the Across The Great Divide box set, that was recorded in '67 under the name "The Hawks". It's pretty cool to listen to but I still like the B.T. version better. It says in the booklet that it was recorded at CBS studios in N.Y.C. This is during the Big Pink summer of '67. I guess they took a ride down to the City from upstate to do this. I wonder if they recorded any other tunes - and if this recording was for an audition, or was it maybe going to be considered for the first album. Anyone know? It's interesting that they chose this Richard song to do - more evidence of Richard's strong songwriter stance at the time

.......there's another interesting little story in that same booklet. They write about Robbie's famous stagefright incident with the hypnotist, and they say that Robbie says that his song Stagefright is not about that night (which we know), but it's about another time, an intra-Band incident that he will never discuss...What does THAT mean? Anyone?

Feb. 9 = It was 37 years ago today that George Harrison and The Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan for the first time.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 06:16:08 CET 2001 from 1cust174.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.142.174)

Crabgrass

Okay, back to the "bald rockers" thread! How about the one hit wonder surf instrumental group The Pyramids who had a big hit with "Penetration?" These guys were also featured in one of those Beach Party movies as I recall. And another bald group was The Eggheads, an early '60s group I saw on Dick Clark once who tried to gain notoriety by going against the rising tide of mop-topped Beatle imitators - where are they now?

Posted on Fri Feb 9 05:48:45 CET 2001 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.16.201)

Long Distance Operator

Favorite BT's: Dylan: Nothing Was Delivered. Band: Long Distance Operator.

Bob Dylan for President in 2004, if we can convince him to take the gig.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 04:39:03 CET 2001 from user-33qt8rj.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.115)

Pat Brennan

For all you Chicago posters, tomorrow night on WTTW's Wild Chicago Mavis Staples performs a bit of "The Weight." Although it matters little, I'm playing organ. Also, a band I was in some 20 years ago which was constantly compared to The Band-- although I knew much, much better that such comparisons were silly--is playing something of a reunion gig--although we do it a couple of times a year--at the Fantasy Lounge at Elston and Montrose. The group's name was The Walter Williams Band. Just a bit of personal shilling.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 04:18:12 CET 2001 from user-33qt8rj.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.115)

Pat Brennan

Regarding Richard at TLW, I'm guessing either Georgia or Tura Lura Lura.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 03:40:50 CET 2001 from 1cust2.tnt2.casper.wy.da.uu.net (63.15.248.2)

RPence

I have to agree with all the positive comments on the set of new pictures of Rick And Richard--wonderful. And as far as the beards go, I want to put in a good word for Mick Jagger's briefly bearded phase in 79-80, quite a startling look for him, every bit as heavy (at least the beard part) as late Jim Morrison. Also, I picked up the first Rick Danko solo and American Son by Levon recently and have really been enjoying those.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 03:07:16 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp50.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.50)

Diamond Lil

February 9...has always been a special day in my memory. It was 21 years ago that I met a man who would ultimately change the course of so many aspects of my life...for the better. That man was Rick Danko. And now....I find out that this special day is also Butchie's birthday! Have a great one Mr.Dener...stick a candle in that brown..err..cake..and enjoy :-)

Posted on Fri Feb 9 02:21:32 CET 2001 from proxy3-external.adubn1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.11)

Chris D.

Great stuff in the "What's New" area! Thanks for the pictures of Rick!! The Barnburners in the Spring, can't wait for that!! I've been waiting for that Hubert Sumlin Disc since I saw him and Levon this past summer in Somers Point!! What a show that was, Levons' drums shook the whole Jersey Coast!! Last but certainly not least, Happy Birthday (from what I hear)to the man who keeps it all together, Butch Denner!! You been working overtime Brother, you deserve a day with your name on it!!! Have a good one Butch!!! Thanks.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 01:35:08 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp50.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.50)

Diamond Lil

Thanks to Carol Caffin for sharing those wonderful photos of Rick. Also, thanks to Pat Brennan for that great close-up of Richard. It was so easy to smile while looking at what's new on this site tonight.

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Fri Feb 9 01:24:24 CET 2001 from akcf3.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.201)

Rod

Great new picture of RM. Is this him standing up in front doing Georgia?

Favourite BT songs:

1st equal Bessie Smith/Orange Juice 3rd Katies Been Gone 4th Don't Ya Tell Henry 5th Tears of Rage (I actually prefer this to the BP version)

Posted on Thu Feb 8 23:15:13 CET 2001 from cache-2.atw.pa.webcache.rcn.net (208.59.249.9)

Krispy

Dave The Phone Guy - Thanks for the Barn Burners reviews!! Sounds like a great trip for the Band!

Carmen - I tried to e-mail you, but it bounced back to me...can you e-mail me, then I'll reply?? Thanks!

I'd also like to thank Carol Caffin (& Jan of course!!!) for the wonderful new shots of Rick!!! After 10+ years, I can finally put a date on the tape I have from that Cooper River Park show!!!!

Just came across a couple live Band shows on CD - absolutley thrilled to have them. If anyone would like to do some trading, please get in touch!

Posted on Thu Feb 8 22:24:12 CET 2001 from slip-32-100-19-207.ga.us.prserv.net (32.100.19.207)

Don Pugatch

North Miss. All Stars, excellent lineage, Brothers are sons of Jimmy Dickerson and bass is RL Burnside's son. Young guys who got the Blues at an early age. What really I find appealing with these guys, is how they attract a real varied audience, mostly young, but lots of us guys who got the blue's virus. NMA get no air play, but yet, can attract an audience of thousands if the venue is large enough. Look for a new CD soon, current stuff is all over Napster, great version of Drinking Muddy Water, and All Night Long.

Speaking of napster, fooling around with covers, try Long Black Veil, Whiskey in a Jar, The Weight, or City of New Orleans, so many varied covers, it is a treat.

Crabby, WFUV, once again, rockin with The Band and John Hiatt, remember, this Saturday, Pete's show will be The Beatles

Posted on Thu Feb 8 21:48:47 CET 2001 from 71-pool5.ras11.inind.agisdial.net (206.148.236.71)

Jon

North Mississippi Allstars are very good. I bought it because I liked the cover of the CD, never even hearing them. They have a unique sound, and everyone I ever play it for wants to run out and go get it. I highly reccomend it. Wish the Barnburners would get up here in Missouri soon. We have lots of barns to burn in Missouri. Please come and burn them down!! Great site!!!

Posted on Thu Feb 8 20:11:28 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

DID HEAR LUTHER & CODY DID SOME STUFF W/LEVON-THAT'S ALL. DID SEE NMAS SHORT WHILE AGO!!!BUTCH SAID THEY WERE MONSTER PLAYERS.....THEY WEREN'T THE BARN BURNERS, BUT THEY WERE............OUTSTANDING!!!!GET THE MUSIC AND GET TO SEE EM!!!

Posted on Thu Feb 8 19:50:47 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Luther Dickinson of the North Mississippi Allstars recently spoke of how thrilling it was to work with Levon on sessions for a new Canadian singer-songwriter named Mike Younger. Anybody know anything about this??

Posted on Thu Feb 8 19:47:59 CET 2001 from kayroybal.lanl.gov (128.165.14.55)

Kay

Oops. I stand corrected, Bob Wigo. It's tomorrow, today's another national holiday for me so it gets confusing. . .so put the cork back in the bottle and get back to work. K

Posted on Thu Feb 8 19:12:45 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.171)

David Powell

Greil Life Rock Not So Top 10

1)Liner notes for the Columbia album "The Basement Tapes"

Some years back, 1975 to be exact, an essayist on popular culture, Greil Marcus, sits down to write the liner notes for the Columbia compilation of "The Basement Tapes".

He proceeds to outline an elaborate background and presentation of facts. All those words, packed into print on an LP gate-fold sleeve. But in the end, is the truth within this broadside stretched beyond credulity?

The writer waxes poetic at length but in the end fails to tell us this one true thing -- this compilation is a revisionist alteration. Studio mechanization sucked the soul from these historical artifacts and we are left with bright, shiny objects as slick as the pots on a remixing board in Shangri-La.

(The foregoing is purely a work of parody which was found written on the cyberspace walls of a dot com saloon)

Posted on Thu Feb 8 19:11:23 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN & DONNA

GREAT: Jim Weider////HOUSE OF BLUES RADIO interview/// check out Jim's web!!! Pat's recovering and gettin ready for the GuRU show(me and Ruby are designated drivers). MR. BUTCH DENER// happy a birthday//....!!!! Barn Burners, 2 shows in Schennedaatddy---Chris O'Leary's hometown????? Spring road fever!!!!!!

Posted on Thu Feb 8 19:10:29 CET 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Thanks Jonathan for reminding me of All You Have To Do Is Dream, which came to me thanks to you in the first place. It's certainly the best of all BT's.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 18:41:46 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-te071.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.181)

bob wigo

Thanks to Carol Caffin for sharing those wonderful photographs of Rick. Of special interest to me are those from the concert at Cooper River Park in Pennsauken, NJ. I attended that show and the pictures bring back great memories.

I believe Mr.Dener celebrates a birthday tomorrow -- like it or not. Happy birthday Butch and thank you for treating all of us "fanatics" with so much kindness and respect. I wish you many , many more.

P.S.My nephew caught the show at Croce's in San Diego and is now onboard as Barn Burners fan.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 18:00:00 CET 2001 from kayroybal.lanl.gov (128.165.14.55)

Kay

Happy Birthday and Bon Voyage to the complex and multi-talented Butch Dener. . .

Posted on Thu Feb 8 15:23:54 CET 2001 from spider-wo062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.47)

Donna

Pat Brennan: What a wonderful picture of Richard Manuel, in the What's New, section! Thank you for sharing that with us.

My favorite BT songs are, "Katie's Been Gone" and "Bessie Smith".

Posted on Thu Feb 8 13:42:44 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Joe D: You wrote "Shawdowboxing" (on the steps of Roseland and 52nd street) on Genya Raven's "Urban Desire" - excellent writing and singing! This song has always been my favourite......so much emotion! Say Hi to Genya and tell her I really enjoyed myself at her show in Toronto many years ago!

Johnny Winter's "Prodigal Son"......wish I still had this recording. Edgar Winter's White Trash with Rick Derringer was his best too!

Favourite songs on the Basement Tapes: Million Dollar Bash, Yazoo Street Scandal, Bessie Smith, Apple Suckling Tree, You Ain't Goin' Nowhere, Long Distance Operator (bluessssy) and This Wheel's On Fire.

When Eric Clapton visited Big Pink to search out The Band : "Did you play with Bob? No. I jammed with The Band though. The Band were the best. They developed an understanding, especially with the Basement Tapes. The Band were not frightened with Bob, not in awe of him."

Bob Dylan on the Basement Tapes: "[The songs] were written vaguely for other people... I don't remember anybody specifically those songs were ever written for. They must have been written at that time for the publishing company... We must have recorded 50 songs at that place. At that time psychedelic rock was overtaking the universe so we were singing those home spun ballads or whatever they were." (New York, 1978)

Posted on Thu Feb 8 13:19:14 CET 2001 from parachute1-156-40-64-152.net.nih.gov (156.40.64.152)

Jonathan Katz

Fav BT song (and you get it twice!): "All You Have To Do Is Dream."

Posted on Thu Feb 8 13:04:22 CET 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Fave BT tunes: 1. Yeah! Heavy And A Bottle Of Bread! (with Garth singing, eh... sort of...) 2. Clothes Line Saga. 3. Apple Sucking Tree. 4. Goin' To Apaculpa. 5. Santa Fe (not on the official release). I excluded my 3 Band-only favorites (a. Don't Ya Tell Henry. b. Bessie Smith. c. Ain't No More Cane On The Brazos) since we know convincingly that these were no Basement tunes at all (in the versions wherein they were officially released, that is). I still mourn for the absence of a finished version of You Say You Love Me.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 11:58:27 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp41.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.41)

Diamond Lil

Got so wrapped up in reminiscing last night that I forgot to mention my favorite tune on BT. I only have one. "Bessie Smith".

I've pretty much given up on the 'previewing' part of posting here, as everytime I do, I lose my post to Jan's cache of the lost. Hmm..perhaps he's trying to tell me something, hm? :-)

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 06:16:05 CET 2001 from host-209-214-113-229.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.113.229)

BWNWITennessee

See Ya Later, Allen Ginsberg.

Actually, I like Sign on the Cross, One For The Road, Still in Town. She's Not There (1956). They should have all been on the official release.

I saw Johnny Winter a few years ago for the first time. He appeared very, well, anesthetized onstage. I know he had been hospitalized for stress-related problems in the '90s, so I don't know if he is still on some kind of medication for that that is affecting him, or if he has just always been like that. His guitar playing was still fluid and quick, but he kind of moved like he was stuck in molasses.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 05:58:14 CET 2001 from 209-239-210-127.oak.jps.net (209.239.210.127)

Phil

I've always liked "To Much Of Nothing". I also think this could have been a hit song for someone ala "The Mighty Quinn" The Basement Tape arrangement for it is so open that production possibilities seem almost endless. Say hello to Valerie...

Posted on Thu Feb 8 05:36:07 CET 2001 from cache1.ev1.net (207.218.245.6)

Laura Holt Lorfing

MMM..Basement Tape favorites FUN! 1. Yea heavy and a bottle of bread! 2. Orange juice blues 3. Long Distance Operator 4. Tiny Montgomery 5. Don't ya tell Henry

Posted on Thu Feb 8 05:26:19 CET 2001 from coretel-184-181.charm.net (162.33.184.181)

tiny montgomery

Please Mrs Henry makes me laugh every time. So do Lo And Behold and Clothes Line Saga. Incredible stuff. No More Cane is beautiful.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 05:21:23 CET 2001 from user-33qt97j.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.243)

Pat Brennan

Hard to say which is the best/fave BT song, but Teenage Prayer is the funniest. Well, maybe Santa Fe is the best. Maybe. Maybe not.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 03:55:27 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp103.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.103)

Diamond Lil

Hollow Roy: Aah yes..Johnny Winter and Rick Derringer (and let's not forget Edgar). One of the _best_ live show I ever saw included the 3 of them..and it doesn't get too much better than that! I remember Johnny doing "Cheap Tequila", Edgar doing "Free Ride" and "Diamond Eyes" (love that tune), and Rick doing "Guitars and Women". They ended the show with "Keep playin that rock and roll", "Tobacco Road", and the finale..."Rock and Roll Hoochie Coo". God..that brings back a great memory. Thanks for mentioning them.

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 03:38:52 CET 2001 from m198214181105.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.105)

third time around

favorite BT's tunes for me would have to begin I think with "Yazoo St. Scandal" (Is the loping beat a precursor to "King Harvest"?),and 2 perhaps "unofficial" but beautiful "Bessie Smith" and "Katie's Been Gone"... Favorite Dylan contribution might be "Goin' to Acapulco".

Posted on Thu Feb 8 03:23:36 CET 2001 from spider-wl051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.41)

Bayou Sam

My fav. Basement Tapes tunes? (in no particular order)

Orange Juice Blues

Yea Heavy and a Bottle of Bread

Bessie Smith

Ain't No More Cane

Don't Ya Tell Henry

Posted on Thu Feb 8 00:52:05 CET 2001 from man12-pool-38.fcgnetworks.net (208.210.85.150)

Joe D

TO HANK FROM CORK My apologies on some bad info I passed your way. Spoke with my friend Genya Ravan today and it wasnt FANNY but ROSIE that she produced. It was still a great album on RCA

Posted on Thu Feb 8 00:40:34 CET 2001 from akcf2.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.200)

Rod

Bones, good point about Robbie's smart moves in the mid '70s. The only problem with these is that they were all backward looking - but they did keep the momentum going for a while.

Posted on Thu Feb 8 00:33:52 CET 2001 from m198214178149.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.178.149)

pehr again

Thanks Kevin Gilbertson for sharing the cool story about Big Pink and Steve Marriot, and Pete T.

Also to Jonathan Katz for the latest from Hubert. Where did you find this? Enjoyed both posts- glad I checked back in here!

P.S. I love the painting illustrating the article under "what's new".

Posted on Wed Feb 7 22:26:35 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Sorry for the double posting. Haven't done that in a long time.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 22:25:30 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Further to David Powell's Comments re: Genya Raven. I had the pleasure of interviewing Genya a number of times in the early 70's. She had her own band at that time and a pretty good drummer played with her on a couple of occasions. Let's see....Hmmmmmm.......Who was that unknown drummer at the time? Oh yes. Steve Gadd.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 22:19:33 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Further to David Powell's Comments re: Genya Raven. I had the pleasure of interviewing Genya a number of times in the early 70's. She had her own band at that time and a pretty good drummer played with her on a couple of occasions. Let's see....Hmmmmmm.......Who was that unknown drummer at the time? Oh yes. Steve Gadd.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 20:43:36 CET 2001 from spider-tk072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.207)

Donna

Looks like Stevie Ray Vaughan's band, Double Trouble, has a new CD out called, "Been A Long Time". It is getting some really good reviews, with SRV's brother Jimmie, and Susan Tedeschi, on vocals, and Kenny Wayne Shepherd, on guitar. I am also looking forward to purchasing, Etta James "Matriarch of the Blues".

Rick: We are so happy to hear that Pat is doing well. We all wish her a speedy recovery.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 20:26:14 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Pat Brennan: Thanks for the post. It's still fascinating how much mystery surrounds The Basement Tapes. I like your solution. They should have released the redone tracks, but been a little more honest about the recordings in the liner notes. They (Robbie, Marcus,etc) certainly played up the mystery aspect of all this, and I always like the fact that it proved what a great songwriter Richard was during that time.

We all seem to agree that the Band was not truly the Band in the mid-70s, which is why I have always thought that Robbie made some brilliant moves during that time. Dylan Tour '74, The Basement Tapes, and The Last Waltz are all now considered legendary events which have enhanced the legacy of the Band. This is pretty impressive considering that they were not at their artistic peak during that time.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 20:10:38 CET 2001 from (137.187.146.245)

Jonathan Katz

QUESTION: Will you ever do a live concert with the star-studded lineup that is going to be on your album? HUBERT SUMLIN: I believe so. Not only one, I believe a lot of them. Yes I do. The new CD is a tribute to Muddy. It's Muddy's songs, everything is Muddy's. I think we did a good job. This record should be released before the end of this year. It's called Hubert Plays Muddy with Eric Clapton, Bob Margolin, Keith Richards, so many people. Steve Winwood is on there. We got so many on there, I could go down the line and explain them to you. Levon Helm, Paul Archer. Man, we've got a lot of people on there. I think we cut 18 numbers, maybe more I think. We try to feature all the artists, and I think it will be one of the greatest records we put out.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 19:54:02 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Valerie I tried to E direct but no connection. Try search for Robbie Robertson and you should be able to get his web site.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 19:45:42 CET 2001 from m20677150207.austin.cc.tx.us (206.77.150.207)

Pehr

Worst facial hair: I've seen pictures of Mick Jagger with a full bushy beard to disguise himself in the 70's-

also Donny Osmond grew one for a while to enhance his tough guy image.

Rick S . I am glad things went well for you and your wife.

Butch I hope all is going well with y'all and post again soon!

Posted on Wed Feb 7 19:39:25 CET 2001 from stk-pm1-22-150.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.150)

Guenevere

BIG NEWS FLASH!

For all you BD fans... Bob has recorded his version of Dean Martin's ‘58 hit love song "Return To Me"... which is about to be released on Columbia. He originally recorded the tune for the HBO series The Sopranos, but now who knows, Bob may once again have another runaway smash-hit among the ‘martini and meatball' set.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 19:28:26 CET 2001 from plum.alltel.com (198.133.100.195)

Kevin Gilbertson

I just picked up the latest edition of Goldmine. This is a popular USA LP and CD collecting publication. It has a feature article on Humble Pie and an interview with their original drummer, Jerry Shirley.

In talking about their first reheasrsal, Jerry remembers:

begin quote:

We picked a song that we all liked, and we said we're gonna see how quickly and how well we can learn this. Then we'll know if we can make it fly. And The Band had just released Music From Big Pink, and we chose a tune called "We Can Talk About It Now." We had it in 10 minutes. It was fantastic! That album had a huge impact on every last musician coming out of England at that time. We were desperately trying to be "Band-like" in certain areas on on the first Humble Pie album, anyway. I know "Chest Fever" was the favorite song of most of the musicians, but I can't recall what single from the album was getting the most airplay in England at that time. The first copy of Music From Big Pink that I ever saw had been brought over from America to England as a gift from Pete Townshend to Steve Marriot and it had in Pete's handwriting, a big arrow on the back, pointing to "Chest Fever" and "play this".

end quote.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 17:47:15 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

TLW////Neil Diamond///Glasses///--Whip Off or RIP OFF???

Posted on Wed Feb 7 17:23:22 CET 2001 from wrtc5337-11.westriv.com (63.160.193.157)

VALERIE M. ANTELOPE

I WOULD LIKE TO WRITE TO MR. ROBBIE ROBERTSON. IF YOU CAN SEND ME HIS MAILING ADDRESS, PLEASE FORWARD IT ME TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS. I AM A BIG FAN OF HIS. I THINK HE PUT NATIVE AMERICAN CONTEMPORARY/TRADITIONAL MUSICIANS ON THE MAP. I NEED TO TALK OR WRITE TO HIM. THANKS. VALERIE M. ANTELOPE, LAKOTA SIOUX

Posted on Wed Feb 7 16:57:08 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.171)

David Powell

I had the pleasure of seeing Genya Ravan when she was the lead singer in Ten Wheel Drive. She and her group were one of the surprises at the First Atlanta Pop Festival back in 1969. They certainly held their own on a stage that featured such better known, established acts as Led Zeppelin, Janis Joplin, Blood Sweat & Tears, Al Kooper, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Booker T. & The MGs and Delaney & Bonnie (who's band included a young Texan named Bobby Keys).

Just received some great news from Dr. Bob Irwin's Sundazed label. Next month they will be releasing a 180-gram LP reissue of Dylan's BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME album! As many of you may know, Dr. Irwin, who has worked on many reissue projects with Sony, such as the fine Byrds reissue series, is one of the best in the remastering business. Sundazed recently released the second volume of "Sanctuary", a vinyl-only collection of Byrds outtakes & rarities recorded during the period from "Younger Than Yesterday" through "Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde". Included is an alternate, earlier take of "This Wheel's On Fire" that, in my opinion, surpasses their originally released version.

Mitt: Can't say that I've been there but Mt. Vernon is a little town up in Northwest Georgia near the carpet manufacturing center of Dalton.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 16:28:12 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Received two great CD's this morning. As I write this I am listening to Etta James new CD. Fitting title. "Matriarch of The Blues." Track one is Bob Dylan's Gotta Serve Somebody with one of the dirtiest B3 organ sounds. Checked it out and lo and behold it is Mike Finnigan. He played with CSNY for a few years and made some great solo works. She also does a wonderful job on Otis Redding's Try A Little Tenderness, Hound Dog, Hawg For You. Etta is at her blueiest best.

David Powell is a big fan of the works of Mr. Steve Hoffman's DCC label. They have released a double Willie Nelson classic...taken from two seperate Sony albums. Believe they used to call this a twoffer. "Brand On My Heart" with Hank Snow and "In The Jailhouse Now" with Webb Pierce. Superb remastering. So it's a Blues and Country morning at the Donabie House.

Lil....Got my Treadmill yesterday. No excuse now for exercise.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 16:17:37 CET 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

With all the passion shown for the Basement Tapes, here is a question:

What is your favorite Dylan track and favorite BAND track from the BT's

I like "Open The Door , Homer" (Great Piano) and "Ain't No More Cain" (All 4 singing).

As for Heylin, I think he can't come to grips that the BAND made Dylan a better songwriter!

Posted on Wed Feb 7 15:01:16 CET 2001 from spider-wq012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.137)

Ruby

Another goodmorning to you all. I want to thank the brothers and sisters who sent out your warm love to Pat and Rick The power!!! She is recovering very well today and so is Rick. You are quite a bunch Peace to all

Posted on Wed Feb 7 14:53:32 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-te021.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.156)

Hollow Roy

Have we bragged recently about this fact?: The Band, besides being one of the two greatest North American rock groups ever, also has the best acting credits and links of any top notch group. Among their thespian credentials, they have portrayed: 1) Sissy Spacek's father, 2) Jodie Foster's father figure, 3) Gary Busey's boss, and 4) Jane Fonda's husband. --- Oh, as if you could do better than that, I suppose, gimme a break (Ed Grimley voice).

Best non-facial hair~ Patti Smith, Paula Cole.

Anyone ever heard "Ain't That a Kindness" by Johhny Winter "AND" Rick Derringer? An excellent flagrant attempt to sound exactly like The Band.

Ophelia later, HR

Posted on Wed Feb 7 14:26:38 CET 2001 from man2-pool-37.fcgnetworks.net (208.210.86.149)

Joe D

To BILL AND BROWN EYED GIRL....Genya Ravan is still very active in the scene and has produced many punk albums as she was staff producer for CBGBs for many years...She is currently working on her life story and beleive me she has an amazing story to tell...Not your usual Rock star crap, but a rich strange life...real stuff.....Ill pass the word on to her that you folks asked about her and yes Bill Genya did know the BAND back in their HAWK days...Does anyone remember BRUCE BRUNO He was a member of the HAWKS and an old idol of myself and anyone else who gre up around the NY metro area during the early sixties...I was very close to his kid brother Buddy(also a great singer) and one night he dragged me to this place I think in Mamaroneck NY to hear his brother with the HAWKS...no Ronnie..they were billed as Bruce Bruno and the Hawks....I just remember this keyboard player who sang Georgia as good as Ray....Years later I found out who the Hawks were...Bruce is still doing it around Westchester and still sounds great..I was luckey enough to meet with Rick about a month before he passed and when I mentioned Bruce to him, he got this far away look in his eye and became very emotional...He told me Bruce was like a brother to him and he would visit Bruce in his motor home..If you pick up Levons book he speaks kindly of Bruce.....PS...To any interested parties I will send out a cd of my groupTHE PARLOUR BAND...its very Bandish..good tunes lots of accordian, mandolin, cajun rhythms, and Band like harmonies...If you like it send $12(includes shipping) If not send back the cd...no risk...All profits go to MAKE A WISH of N H

Posted on Wed Feb 7 12:58:57 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp207.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.207)

Diamond Lil

And speaking of bald..or balding...musicians...how bout that photo of Jimmy Buffett in the New York Post the other day? Yikes! Talk about changes in latitude, hm? Looking very forward to his newest book..A pirate looks at Rogaine (that one's for you Mr Powell :-)

Rick S: Very glad to hear that all went well with Pat yesterday. Continued thoughts for a fast and complete recovery.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan..and gezundheit :-)

Posted on Wed Feb 7 12:32:26 CET 2001 from spider-te023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.183)

bennie rubin

Ed Cassidy was the bald drummer from the group Spirit. randy california guitarist from that band was his son, I think he had hair, it was receding but not gone.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 11:55:58 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ta061.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.46)

Rick S.

My wife Pat's surgery went well on Tuesday and she is recovering nicely. Thanks again for all the wishes and prayers. Hope to see many of you at the Turning Point on March 3rd cheering on the Gurus.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 08:01:55 CET 2001 from spider-tm083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.83)

Cryou Spam

Rick S. = I hope all went well today.

Hey - it was Neil Diamond's 60th birthday last week. Did anyone mention it, or did we miss it? Happy Birthday Neil.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 08:01:01 CET 2001 from golax4-240.dialup.optusnet.com.au (198.142.147.240)

Kirk Lorange

Hi Band fans. I'm a slide guit'arist from Canada, moved to Australia in 75. In about '90 or 91 my Sydney band The Train opened for The Band in Sydney. Robbie wasn't there, nor was Levon, but Garth and Rick were, and Levon's nephew was drumming just his uncle. Rick hung out with us 'cause we had the weed! What a nice man he was and what a talent. He was the voice. I was looking at a faded photo taken in the dressing room the other day, and started wondering about him...and Lowell and and missing them. What wonderful tunes never got written? Please, help yourselves to my free downloads at http://mp3.com/kirklorange My song Storm a Comin' is #3 in the General Blues list there at the moment, slidin' all over the place. All the best' Kirk

Posted on Wed Feb 7 07:51:36 CET 2001 from parachute1-156-40-64-87.net.nih.gov (156.40.64.87)

Jonathan Katz

Sunglasses? Did anyone mention Neil Diamond in TLW? During the last part of "I Shall Be Released" he whips them off for emphasis!

Posted on Wed Feb 7 07:30:24 CET 2001 from spider-wk061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.176)

Tommy

Make-up??? Hats??? Glasses??? Facial hair??? What the hell's going on??? I never imagined this thread would go on THIS long! We should all get a copy of the latset 'Cosmo' to refer to! Jeez....

I say bring back the George Harrison talk!!!!

Posted on Wed Feb 7 07:12:00 CET 2001 from 1cust126.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.126)

Crabgrass

Absolutely the WORST facial hair - Dylan. That scraggly beard that just never grew in properly really annoyed me to no end!! I'm glad he's gone cleanshaven now.

That "guy in Sparks" is Ron Mael with the Chaplin moustache. And don't forget that both Jim Morrison and Mike Love had beards at some point. This is exciting!! And how about Van the Man? One of the best!

Now let's move on to bald guys! Who's that drummer in Spirit? He was the first bald rock musician I ever saw. (Bald rappers don't count btw - too many of them with shaved heads.)

Posted on Wed Feb 7 06:22:07 CET 2001 from proxy-1441.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.237)

Bill W.

To cryou spam and kiwi amanda....a gallon of midol, carte blanche on diapers and a chiropractic guide on how to build a spine. At this time, I have no ability to confer any type of class to either party.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 06:20:10 CET 2001 from mplsdslgw10poolb225.mpls.uswest.net (63.228.41.225)

P.S. 2001

Hey Band Fans! I've just updated my Garth site for your enjoyment. Take a little visit. Thanks!

Posted on Wed Feb 7 05:39:04 CET 2001 from parachute2-156-40-65-165.net.nih.gov (156.40.65.165)

Jonathan Katz

Q Mag just gave the BT's five stars. You can read about it by clicking the above link.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 05:28:46 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Musicians with facial hair: Carlos Santana, Leon Russell (always loved "Masquerade"), Kurt Cobain (in one of my books on Punk he is also wearing some heavy black eye liner), Bob Geldolf, Eric Clapton and musicians with moustaches: Bryan Ferry, Phil Lynott, and Sterling Morrison to name a few more.

Who looks great in hats and who has a huge collection....Bob Dylan! Jakob Dylan takes after his dad with hats too, as well as the organist in the Wallflowers Rami Jaffee. Ska musicians seem to wear hats alot. Robbie Robertson and Paul Weller also wore hats and apparently Armani was one of Weller's (Style Council) favourite designers too...........ooops, he's in the Eric Clapton and Robbie Robertson club of fashion.......I bet Robert Palmer and Bryan Ferry are in the same club too......even Sade used to work for Karl Lagerfeld.......does that mean we can't listen to her cool smmmooooothe sounds also?! Some musicians spend a lot of money on their cars and some spend a lot of money on their clothing, so what's the difference?.......

It's weird how out of the blue Genya Raven was mentioned because I was thinking about her this week.....I saw her at the Horseshoe Tavern and have her record "Urban Desire." She even sings one song with Lou Reed "Aye Co'lorado". What is she up to these days?

Who has tattoos? Lenny Kravitz, Guns and Roses, Mike Ness, Rancid, Janet Jackson, Holly McNarland, Cher......a lot of basketball players too........love Reggie Miller's tattoo and his basketball free throws and three point shots!!

Posted on Wed Feb 7 04:22:24 CET 2001 from dialup-209.244.231.184.washington1.level3.net (209.244.231.184)

Mitt Stampler

I'm afraid my choice for best facial hair would have to be the same as my vote for best glasses onstage--Norman Blake. David Mallett, too, but now I'm getting into the die-hard folkies. Better go back to bed before I start babbling about Townes Van Zant.

Incidentally, does anyone here know anything about a town called Mt. Vernon, GA? It's the home of a place called Brewton-Parker College.

Peace.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 04:17:24 CET 2001 from akcf2.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.200)

Rod

Thanks Brien Sz , Waitangi Day is NZ's national day and is the subject of some controversy.

I like hearing the studio chatter as well - but by the time they got to NLSC alot of it may not have been repeatable.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 03:52:19 CET 2001 from spider-wj062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.47)

Joe

As far as facial hair goes.......Garth Hudson......not the best...but definately facial hair!! Levon used to sport a pretty decent looking beard. Richard's was decent also. Robbie's just gets an honorable mention. I can't remember Rick with any.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 03:36:08 CET 2001 from user-33qt98n.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.23)

Pat Brennan

The paucity of outtakes from NLSC and Islands probably just proves how little time they were spending in the studio in their waning days. The stories of rushing through Islands during TLW are well documented.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 03:00:08 CET 2001 from proxy.gw.total-web.net (209.186.12.34)

Don Pugatch

Best facial hair,,,,, ME, sorry no glasses on stage

Posted on Wed Feb 7 02:41:39 CET 2001 from (206.203.21.163)

Randy

For those of you who might be interested in some information about THE BAND, Barney Hoskyns book, "Across The Great Divide: The Band" (1994) is one of the best books out there on ANY band. With a considerable shortage of rock journalists who are able to meet the standards of those who came before (i.e. Dave Marsh, Jon Pareles, Greil Marcus, etc.) Hoskyns book was an engaging triumph. His writing is clear, insightful, and accurate in ways that are rarely seen in rock (or jazz) journalism these days. It should probably be considered the definitive book on The Band and is a must read for anyone interested in the group, rock history, or music journalism in general.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 02:38:36 CET 2001 from host-216-76-148-128.bna.bellsouth.net (216.76.148.128)

BWNWITennessee

Did y'all get the letter about "Seirra Leonne?" I'd bet the phone number is international and $10 a minute or something, though hopefully none of us here are dumb enough to call.

Screw 30%, I want all of the money!

Posted on Wed Feb 7 02:22:18 CET 2001 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Happy Waitangi day to our New Zealand Band fans--I really don't know what it means but it says it on my Simpsons Calendar

I understand that the Capital vault was thin by the NLSC and Islands release but RR put Dylan/Band stuff on ROA that has nothing to do with ROA--SO I'm sure there are little goodies floating about--They could load up the cd with conversations about the recordings going on--I love that behind the mic/scenes stuff.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 02:17:03 CET 2001 from dialup-258.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.2)

HANK

Thanks for all the Fanny replies....As some of you already know, I'm gigging in Denmark for the next two & 1/2 weeks........ JAN &ILLKA, and anyone else Nordic, if yer anywhere near there by chance, call into Foleys Pub in Coopenhagen...they'll know where I am...if I'm not in Christiania

May God Bless 'n' Keep Y'All Always

Posted on Wed Feb 7 02:16:14 CET 2001 from host-216-76-148-128.bna.bellsouth.net (216.76.148.128)

BWNWITennessee

Glasses onstage - Stevie Wonder, Ronnie Milsap?

As for facial hair, Captain Beefheart, Ike Turner, Cesar Rosas and SRV's soul patch.

And how about coolest headal hair? My vote goes to Keith Richards (both the black and grey eras), Tom Waits and Esquerita.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 01:53:13 CET 2001 from akcf2.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.200)

Rod

I was a bit dissapointed with the bonus listed tracks for NLSC and Islands - but I was with the ones on Stage Fright as well until I heard them. The bonus versions of Daniel and Time to Kill (together with Don't Do it and Endless Highway) are the gems from the first 4 albums.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 00:39:26 CET 2001 from user-33qt8pv.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.63)

Pat Brennan

Bones, Clinton Heylin has repeatedly heaped praises on Music From Big Pink and The Brown album, so he's not quite the Band-hater he's made out to be. He has been very harsh on Robbie for including the Band material on the Columbia release, especially since that material was "upgraded' for lack of a better term. Heylin also takes RR to task for some of the versions of Dylan songs he chose and some he left off. BTW, his source for the re-recording of those two songs is Rob Fraboni. In fact, I personally asked him if that fact was for publication and he said it was.

Now I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love the Band material on the Columbia release. I also don't have a problem with the "upgrading" itself. Mr. Brown has made the case well that both those songs existed at the time, and I've never said that they didn't. It is true--at least as far as I know-- that Bessie Smith is not on any of the circulating versions of the BT, but its existence on the Traum album indicates its time frame. Brazos is certainly on the early live tapes. Again, what I argue for is a simple explanation of the act. Doing it is not the problem, but pretending that it didn't happen is. The "solution" was simply to be upfront in the first place.

And, as far as holding the BT to some reverential plane, I'd say if they didn't want that to happen, they shouldn't have included Greil Marcus's effusive liner notes. It really doesn't matter to me, since I consider all of the music that sprang from those six people in 1967 to have deep artistic and historic merit. I know they pooh-pooh it, but it was Dylan at an amazing peak. It is also fascinating to see the hawks become the Band. That alone makes the BT worth their weight in gold.

As far as the other stuff Heylin argues, I don't pay it much mind.

Posted on Wed Feb 7 00:12:08 CET 2001 from (130.195.196.201)

Amanda (the one from New Zealand)

Some of you have probably already seen this but I thought it was worth sharing with a wider audience. PJ O Rourke on baby boomers in the Whitehouse. (see webpage above) Its really funny and he mentions the Beatles too!

I’ve just been catching up on the GB after a break of a few weeks…I don’t generally read or respond to personal attacks but perhaps just this once since I see there was some taking of my name in vain here in January. I don’t know the person who took exception to something I said or who wanted to win a bet or something? Its extremely strange!!! We certainly didn’t have any email disagreement or exchange any email whatsoever. Its all a bit confusing for my young brain & I don’t think I want to know anymore about it.

Thanks to all the people spoke up in support of me (especially "Another Amanda" although we are not the same person- perhaps this confused some of you?? ). There are a lot of really nice, informed, good people here & I’ve enjoyed our chats and learnt a lot. bob wigo your calculator is correct. In actual fact I am over 30 and you may be certain whenever I feel I have something I want to say here I’ll go right ahead. So should everyone else who is interested in the Band and who cares about music- including and especially younger people with fresh insights. This ends this episode as far as I am concerned. Happy Tuesday/Wednesday to you all.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 22:29:31 CET 2001 from (12.34.17.217)

Johnny Flippo

Best facial hair in rock has to go to Little Richard. Runnerup goes to the Charlie Chaplin guy in Sparks. What can I say? I'm a minimalist.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 22:26:17 CET 2001 from (206.191.15.194)

Bill

Joe D: I always liked Genya Raven's version of "Flying", which I believe was on her first LP for Columbia. Her group at the time, Baby, included Rhinoceros/Lou Reed bassist Peter Hodgson and Chamber Brothers drummer Brian Keenan. Long John Baldry also did a nice version of the song.

Genya no doubt crossed paths with the Hawks during her earlier days on the bar circuit as Goldie (Zelkowitz) of Goldie and the Gingerbreads.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 22:03:20 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Re. Pat, hope everything works out super fine. Ya have to be at the Turning Point; re-union of the J. Lake party!! Wish you a speedy recovery!!

Posted on Tue Feb 6 21:43:11 CET 2001 from man7-pool-38.fcgnetworks.net (208.210.87.150)

Joe D

Bob Wigo and Tommy Thanks for the kind words regarding The Parlour Band.I'm glad you enjoy the music, and see the obvious BAND influence.YES, all profits from this cd go to the Make A wish foundation of NH. Im happy to say that I did a Christmas cd a few years back and gave all profits to Make a Wish and to date have donated about 12k, thanks to good people like yourselves. That amounts to three wishes........... HANK IN CORK REGARDING THE GROUP FANNY I knew them back in the mid seventies. My good friend Genya Raven(whos a legend in the N Y area produced a fine album on them. I believe it was on RCA and had a great song that still sticks with me called Safe Harbor.The group consisted of two female singers, and a male singer who I believe is David Lasley a well known session singer and backround singer for James Taylor for many years now..If you can find it its worth picking up. Also The Genya Raven albums on 20th century are both excellent. I wrote a bunch of the songs and had the pleasure of having my material covered by both Lou Reed and Ian Hunter on theses albums, although unfortunately the Lou Reed tune never made the final cut...Maybe on the best of album...Anyway if anyone is interested The Parlour Band cd is 10 bucks plus two for handling and Ill send the cd first. If you dont enjoy it just send it back or send the dough. Thanks agai to Tommy and Bob Wigo for the recomendation.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 21:15:09 CET 2001 from (206.191.15.194)

Bill

Hank: I think that Fanny was originally - if not always - three women, two of them being Millington sisters. One was Jane or Jean or June. Maybe the other one was too.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 20:23:09 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp109.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.109)

Diamond Lil

Ruby: I rwad your earlier post and have both Rick and Pat in my thoughts today. I also e-mailed them privately. Please don't think that because today's post hasn't been replied to, all of us aren't holding the best thoughts for Pat today. Her strength and courage, combined with her husband's love for her..will see them both through this. I know they're personal friends of yours, and today must be hard on you too Ruby. If it helps, you're in my thoughts as well. We're all awaiting an outcome of good news, and hoping you'll be nice enough to post again and share it with it us.

"A family doesn't always mean blood, but a family always means heart".

Posted on Tue Feb 6 20:08:56 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.171)

David Powell

By all accounts, by 1975 The Band was dissatisfied with Capitol and after recording NLSC, Islands, in many ways their weakest effort, was released mainly to fulfill their contract. I imagine that at this point they weren't giving Capitol any more material than what they recorded for these last two albums. For their reissue project, Capitol is evidently limited to what masters are in their vaults, so maybe this explains the meager selection of bonus cuts for these last two CDs. The rights to the live material recorded for The Last Waltz project is more than likely controlled by Warner Bros.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 20:08:31 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Pat Brennan: You clearly have a problem with the validity of The Basement Tapes (which is fine), but what would be your solution? To me, "Bessie Smith" and "Ain't No More Cane" seem better suited for the Basement Tapes than NLSC or Islands or even a new "Band" record. Do you wish they were not redone? I hope your source for the fact they were redone is someone other than Mr. Heylin who probably wishes that ol' Bob had never met the Band. Maybe this is just one of those situations for me where I wish I didn't know the story behind the music, for when I heard the Basement Tapes for the first time, I was mesmerized from start to finish. It all flowed really well in my opinion.

By the way, we were lucky that NLSC and Islands were completed at all. We shouldn't be too surprised that there were not any bonus tracks from those sessions.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 20:07:28 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.184)

Ruby

Just wonderin' if post are not getting through today Sent one out much earlier and has not surfaced yet So again...just in case I did something wrong....I ask all of you to send your prayers and love to pat and Rick S today They certainly appreciate it You are a great family Thank you Peace

Posted on Tue Feb 6 20:04:18 CET 2001 from spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.183)

franko

Speaking of Al Stewart (or was that just me?) I was on Amazon this afternoon looking to see if his new CD (yes, he still does 'em) is out yet. I was interested to learn the title of this CD is Down In The Cellar. Cellar? Basement? Hmm. I then reviewd the song list and lo and behold one of them is called The Night That The Band Got The Wine. Curious. I also noticed that according to Amazon people who bought Al Stewart titles recently had also bought titles by the Band. Well, well, well. For some reason these occurrences reminded me of an Al Stewart 45 I obtained as part of my wife's extensive dowry (she had a few dozen 45's, some of them her brother's but I never mention it to him when I see him). I went down to my basement and searched a while and found Nostradamus, right beside Three Dog Night's version of Chest Fever. I didn't even know that I (we, er she, I mean, her brother) owned this. What a find.

Chest Fever got me thinking about the body part thread but I should probably get back to work now.

Any guitarists who have tried to buy a guitar from ebay might get a chuckle out of the website link above. I stumbled upon it a few days ago.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 19:57:10 CET 2001 from spider-tk041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.191)

Donna

Thank you Mattk and Crabby, for the information on Miles Davis.

Best facial hair in rock??? See what you started Lil, from glasses to facial hair? lol... Well, there is always Jerry Garcia, Cat Stevens, and Bob Marley. Jesse Colin Young, get's my vote for most handsome, sporting that Fu Manchu look, on the cover of, "The Highway Is For Heroes" album. But ZZ Top, has my vote for the most facial hair!

Posted on Tue Feb 6 19:53:12 CET 2001 from spider-tk074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.209)

bob wigo

I saw Lou Reed "perform" face down on the Tower Theater stage many moons ago. He definitely could have used some of the privacy those fancy specs provide.

Note: He had no facial hair at the time and was never interrupted by applause from the audience.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 19:24:06 CET 2001 from cache1.ev1.net (207.218.245.6)

Laura Holt Lorfing

I agree with Pehr...the Zappa facial hair thing has my vote indeed! I for one wish the 70s chops would come back for all the dudes but my husband would probably disagree with me on that one (ha ha)!! PEACE ALL! :)

Posted on Tue Feb 6 19:06:55 CET 2001 from gateway.beantown-ny.com (204.143.235.166)

Brien Sz

Carmen--you are right--I thought the same thing about NLSC and Islands. IMO for two albums that are fairly weak, I would think you might want to pepper them with a few treasured goodies-- Acadian Driftwood off the TCLW would have been nice (if it was fixed up a bit) or Some live tracks from tours of that era.

Santana was another one who played a good deal of his show with his back to the audience.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 18:59:59 CET 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Hank & Mike - Yes, I remember "Fanny" as well. I think "Hey Bulldog" was on a sampler of some kind. Very early 70's? I seem to recall lots of long straight hair and hiphugger bell bottoms...ah the good old days.

On the glasses thing...if you've never been on a big stage, with full stage lights and follow spots (and I've only been to introduce some shows in the college days) you may not realize that YOU CAN"T SEE A THING with those lights in your eyes. Like maybe not even your feet or your effects pedals, or anything if the house lights are down. So shades make sense. And when that hunky singer in the spotlight looks right at you, sweetie, unless you are in the very first rows, he's just playing the audience, he ain't lookin' at YOU personally. (But you can dream, can't ya?)

Back in the New Wave days, I used to wear big round gradient lenses to play in most clubs so I could see to where to step. Hey, they were cool then.

I always figured the reason that either of the Winter brothers always does that hokey "Lemme hear you say 'yeah'" schtick is that with no eye pigment, they are totally blinded on stage. The call and response thing lets them know the size and mood of the audience they can't see.

Another four-eyed musician: Robert Fripp (The Crimson King) Musicians in makeup: Fee Waybill (The Tubes), Johnny Lydon?, any LA Hair Band? Uh, this could get ugly in a hurry...dare I say it...Twisted...never mind!

Has anyone confirmed that 10-song bonus Rock of Ages disc report yet? Just listened to ROA yesterday. I forgot how cool those Allen Toussaint (sp?) horn charts were. Kind of a drag to have to buy it AGAIN to get those tunes, though. I don't want to get off on a rant here, but are Band fans being played for suckers in the Great Repackaging Rip-off? First "To Kingdom Come" was the definitive package, oh no, wait it's "Across The Great Divide". "Best of Vol. II" followed by "Greatest Hits"? (OK, two different labels, but still.) Anthology Vol. I and II...the list goes on.

Rock Of Ages to my ears sounds great on CD. Even remixed, how much better is it gonna get? C'mon Robbie, if there's enough good stuff for ROA Vol. III, can't you get them (Capitol, I assume) to release it as a single disk? Mercy!

Posted on Tue Feb 6 18:53:30 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-25-207.maine.rr.com (66.30.25.207)

mattk

Frank probably has the most trademark facial hair that I can think of. The logo on his site is an icon representing his goatee. He also had a period in the 80s where he just went with the mustache. I'm partial to the 60s and 70s look myself.

My runners-up would be a tie between the ZZ Top guys and Rob Zombie.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 18:36:26 CET 2001 from kayroybal.lanl.gov (128.165.14.55)

Kay

RICK SMITH -- I may have some info for you, but your e-mail doesn't work. . .if you e-mail me, I'll reply. K

Posted on Tue Feb 6 18:27:17 CET 2001 from m198214176127.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.127)

Pehr

Best facial hair in Rock? My vote is for Frank Zappa.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 18:14:30 CET 2001 from spider-we023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.28)

Bayou Sam

Stu Sutcliffe turned his back on the audience. Of course, it was because he couldn't play. I think Miles Davis might have been influenced by Stu........It seems to me that Miles' expanation of why he turned around is bullshit in itself. The appreciation and accolades(spelling?) of the audience is what helps make a great show.....I'd much rather watch BB King from the front than the back.

So - someone hammers me (via e-mail) for bringing up too much George Harrison in the GB and now we have a fascinating discussion on eyewear and facial hair. I wonder how this guy is enjoying this thread (BTW - I'm NOT wondering enough to actually want to hear from you).

I agree with Crabby on Crosby's moustache being #1. Skunk Baxter had a good one too. Also, one of the guys in the Villiage People......... How about beards? I'd vote for the ZZ Top guys, as well as our own Garth - and GEORGE HARRISON'S circa Bangladesh.

I can't wait to see what part of the body is next. How about the female body :-)

Posted on Tue Feb 6 17:54:15 CET 2001 from client-151-198-114-27.nnj.dialup.bellatlantic.net (151.198.114.27)

Bumbles

Interesting to see Levon on “Sweetheart Like You” from the forthcoming Red House Dylan tribute disc. Although I'm sure his support to Guy Davis is instrumental, “Sweetheart” is a song I’ve always thought was ideally suited for a Levon vocal, just as Maxine Brown’s “All in My Mind” would’ve been for Richard and Allen Toussaint’s “Am I Expecting Too Much” would've been for Rick (with considerable contribution from Levon).

Posted on Tue Feb 6 17:24:50 CET 2001 from 1cust130.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.130)

Crabgrass

I recall seeing Miles Davis on a TV show back in the '8Os (I think it was Dick Cavett) and he explained that he played with his back turned to the audience in an effort to get away from the traditional way in which live music is presented - where the musicians play a number and then take a bow as the audience applauds and then play another tune followed by the same - which he called "bullshit." Instead, he said that he was trying to play a seamless show where one piece would simply flow into another and the audience would just sit and listen without having to respond. I subsequently saw him at the Beacon Theater in NYC with B.B. King opening and King's approach was very much what Davis described as "bullshit" where the audience was literally milked for applause.

BTW no one seems to have noted that sunglasses are worn by a lot of drug users (many who are musicians) to simply mask the bags under their eyes. And many people (including myself) initially thought that Roy Orbison was blind due to his style choice of dark sunglasses. Also, Levon wore a pair of silver mirrored shades a few years back during the High On The Hog Carnegie Hall performance.

Wayne Newton has sported a nice trim moustache for many years and Jesse Colin Young - lately cleanshaven - wore a trademark Fu Manchu style one for many years.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 16:41:15 CET 2001 from spider-tk073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.208)

bob wigo

The only deduction I can make is:

Miles wore glasses on stage to see precisely what he refused to look at.
That settles it for me.

A few days back a GBer by the name of Joe D. posted an offer to purchase his CD. I took him up on it and I'm very happy to say it is damn good music,well produced and professionally presented.I've been drumming along with the Parlour Band for a few days now and have really enjoyed their tunes.

The kicker is that proceeds go to the "Make A Wish" Foundation.If you have a few extra bucks don't hesitate to make a nice addition to your collection and help out a very worthy charity.Thanks Joe D., the check is on it's way.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 16:22:16 CET 2001 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

I am a little disapointed with the NLSC and Islands bonus tracks. Or should I say the fact that there will be only 2 new tracks on each release. Is this it?

Posted on Tue Feb 6 15:56:11 CET 2001 from spider-th063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.73)

Ruby

Goodmorning to all I ask that this morning your heart and prayers go out to some wonderful friends of mine...who by the way I met through this site... Pat and Rick S. This morning is Pats surgery She is very positive and strong and still claims to be at the Gurus on march 3rd!!!! Amazing It will be a great night for all Cannot wait to see old acquaintances and meet the new Such a wonderful family here Peace

Posted on Tue Feb 6 15:40:11 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-25-207.maine.rr.com (66.30.25.207)

mattk

Donna,

I believe, Miles' turning his back and facing down thing happened much later, generally after 1970 when he began using a mic that clipped onto his trumpet and awarded him the freedom to walk around. I saw him twice in the 1980s, and both times he never really turned and faced the audience while playing.

Obviously, some of this was the famous Miles "attitude" about his own fans. I've also read that some of this was due to Miles' health problems (sickle cell anemia, diabetes, among them), which really stacked up on him later in life. I understand it was actually physically painful for him to stand in one place in the classic trumpet stance.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 15:33:09 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ti061.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.176)

Mike

Hank, I've heard of Fanny. They started out as Fanny Hill and had a very cool version of The Beatles' "Hey Bulldog". I remember that the two main people in the band where Jean Millington and her sister, as well as Nicki. Jean Millington went on to release a couple of projects on Olivia Records in the '80s. Olivia was comprised of mostly lesbian artists and based in the Bay Area.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 15:15:56 CET 2001 from (205.188.193.36)

Rick Smith

About a week ago, I mentioned in the GB that Levon is slated to do a gig next month in Dallas with a group called the "Song Dogs." Asked for info about this but didn't get any hits. Does anyone here know who the Song Dogs are and what Levon's involvement with them is all about? I saw the notice in the Dallas paper and the venue is the same place Levon and the Barn Burners played a couple weeks ago, so I suspect it's a real deal. Thanks for any help....

Posted on Tue Feb 6 14:57:55 CET 2001 from (12.34.17.217)

Johnny Flippo

ATTENTION MR. AND MS. AMERICA AND ALL THE SHIPS AT SEA!

A news release issued on Yahoo revealed the following bonus tracks on the remaining Band catalog:

ROCK of AGES (includes a 10-song bonus disc remixed by RR): Up On Cripple Creek; I Shall Be Released; Rockin Chair; Time to Kill; Loving You is Sweeter Than Ever; The Rumor; (and the Dylan set) Down in the Flood; When I Paint My Masterpiece; Don't You Tell Henry; Like a Rolling Stone

MOONDOG MATINEE: Didn't It Rain; Crying Heart Blues (could this perhaps be "Raining In My Heart"?); Shakin'; What Am I Living For?; Goin' Back To Memphis

NLSC: Twilight (alt. take); Christmas Must Be Tonight (alt. take)

ISLANDS: Twilight (single version); Georgia (alt. take).

Release date: May 8, 2001!

Posted on Tue Feb 6 13:58:23 CET 2001 from spider-wn082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.187)

Donna

Mattk: Didn't Miles Davis change his style, and play facing the audience after his return home from Paris?

How's this for a new thread, performer's who wore hats on stage? Thaddius Monk comes to mind, with his goofy looking hats he wore, while playing the piano. Monk, was somewhat eccentric, but a brillant piano player. On the topic of hats and brilliance, I cannot leave out our own Mr. Garth Hudson.

Bashful Bill, Rick and Pat, looking forward to meeting up with you all, for the Gurus show on March 3rd! Any other GB'ers, going to this show?

Posted on Tue Feb 6 13:09:42 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Some Jazz musicians who wore glasses on stage: Dizzy Gillespie, Benny Goodman, Stan Getz, Nat Adderley, Eubie Blake, The Brecker Brothers Mike and Randy, Don Byron, Don Brubeck, Chick Corea, Tommy Dorsey, Paquito D'Rivera, Bill Evans, Pops Foster, Herbie Hancock, Jim Hall, Charlie Haden, W.C. Handy, Joe Henderson, Lee Konitz, Christian McBride, John Scofield, Woody Shaw, Willie "The Lion" Smith, Toots Thielemans, John Zorn, Anthony Braxton, Dave Brubeck, Fletcher Henderson and Keith Jarrett.

Some other musicians who wore glasses on stage: Pops Staples, Sly Stone and Buddy Holly. Dylan wears glasses but I have never seen him on stage wearing them, only shades. Don't all of us wear shades? Robbie Robertson looks good with or without his glasses and not too many guitarists can hold a candle to his emotional guitar playing.....

Posted on Tue Feb 6 12:54:07 CET 2001 from dialup-065.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.65)

Hank

There's a picture of John Lennon at the back of the recent Mojo tribute to him, circa the Sgt. Pepper era........Glasses AND a Moustache!!!!!!....He looks very cool and detached there...spun outta his gourd on acid, I suppose, but cool all the same.....RR looked like that for a while when State Troopers were busting him for speeding and letting him go for looking like a Rabbi........

Does anybody here remember a band called Fanny? Last night, a woman known to me as Annie, sang "The Weight" with me at my regular Monday night gig here in Cork......She sang at the tribute to Rick we did last year as well.....she told me she was in this all-girl band called Fanny and appeared in The Mad Dogs and Englishmen Tour/Movie with Joe Cocker, Leon Russell et al......back then she was known as Nicki Barkley........well, she went to town singing Ricks verse last night....she sez she knew Rick and Richard pretty well in the early '70ies.........I asked her about Richard and she said he was quiet, shy and reserved, which some people took to be stand-offish, but a gent and beautiful......so, anybody here ever hear of Fanny?....I've read about 'em in various rock mags over the years.......The woman I know here in Cork, Annie/Nicki Barkley, is one up front performer to be sure.......

Yes, let's all talk about Fanny instead of glasses and moustaches for a while....

Posted on Tue Feb 6 12:46:46 CET 2001 from ti11a61-0285.dialup.online.no (130.67.93.29)

Guro Anker Martinsen

Love you guys!! Love Guro from norway

Posted on Tue Feb 6 12:42:09 CET 2001 from spider-wn052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.172)

Another Amanda

Hello! I have been kind of busy taking care of my baby twins, but regarding the sunglasses issue.....Did anyone mention Roy Orbison? He was really doing the shades thing...True Rockabilly Cool!!!

Posted on Tue Feb 6 11:34:21 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp183.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.183)

Diamond Lil

Freddie: Aah yes...the bass player from that infamous Norwegian band "The Jan". Hmmm..now why didn't _I_ think of that? :-)

Posted on Tue Feb 6 10:30:09 CET 2001 from ti09a63-0227.dialup.online.no (130.67.54.227)

Re: Artists wearing glasses

Let's not forget The Jan's bassplayer with those horn-rimmed round glasses, ponytail and The Band cap he wore on stage in '97. Someone told me he's changed his style quite a bit now, to short hair, rimless glasses and shirt-and-tie :-)

Posted on Tue Feb 6 07:30:37 CET 2001 from 1cust213.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.213)

Crabgrass

As it turns out, I must admit the "glasses" thread was quite an eye opening spectacle (no pun intended). The only question now is: "Which rock/jazz artists don't/didn't wear glasses?"

Sadly, my "make-up" thread has not attracted much interest so I guess it's on to moustaches - I think David Crosby has one of the most interesting - in fact, I'd venture to say he has the best moustache in rock.

BTW I wear glasses, though mainly to deter people from hitting me.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 07:18:24 CET 2001 from spider-ta057.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.34)

Tommy

Hmmm...Tom Waits wore glasses AND make-up during his "Frank's Wild Years" tour in the 80's...but the glasses were shades, does that count? On to CD reports from Tommy;

Well I got my new CD player today and a bunch of birthday present CDs to break that mother in!...Listened to 'Carney'(really New Orleans-like/Good), 'Nebraska'(Great! and Im not ,or wasn't until now, a big fan of The Boss),"Bitches' Brew'(Still gotta wrap my head around that one.)and of course,"All Things Must Pass'...good stuff people.There are still some I haven't gotten around to yet, like a 3-CD British anthology of 'Ringo and the All-Star Band (is the the one thats slated for release soon anyone?)It's got Levon and Rick ...speaking of which, I also got Levon and the Crowmatix 'Souvinir'(Nice one!) and 'Rick Danko Live!'from 1997...I'm not crazy about the production sound on that one.It kinda sounds like a bootleg.Hmmm.

Lastly folks, Im gonna ramble a bit more about a fellow GBer's CD. JOE D, a regular to the GB has sent me his band's album and it's REALLY GOOD!!! The quality of the recording and the songs were a nice suprise.There is a definite BAND influence that you folks would enjoy.It's inexpensive, and Joe is a curteous and professional guy. I got the cd in like 2 days...nice! So check it out...help out a fellow GBer and The MAKE-A-WISH FOUNDATION -thats where the profits from the album go.

Ok, I've talked long enough...sorry and goodnight.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 06:59:58 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Irie Birthday to ROBERT NESTA MARLEY!

February 6, 1945- May 11, 1981

"Most people think

Great God will come from the sky

Take away everything

And make everybody feel high

But if you know what life is worth

You'll look for yours on earth

And now you see the light

You stand up for your rights

Get up stand up

Stand up for your rights

Get up stand up

Don't give up the fight"

"Get Up Stand Up" by Bob Marley and the Wailers

Since Eric Clapton wears glasses on stage sometimes and he made Bob's "I Shot The Sheriff" famous here is what he said about this song and Bob Marley.

"In reinventing himself, Clapton had to face his own self-doubts. For example, as much as he liked "I Shot The Sheriff," he was not entirely convinced that this arrangement of the song was appropriate for the album. "I didn't think it was fair to Bob Marley, and I thought we'd done it with too much of a white feel or something," Clapton would say years later, fully appreciating the irony of the song's becoming his first number one single in America, as well as its part in introducing Marley's music to the public. When Marley performed at the Hammersmith Odeon Clapton met him backstage and recalled, "He was serious about what he was doing, but he was very gentle."

A Canadian who wears his glasses on stage is Bruce Cockburn who is one of the best guitar pickers in the world and Elvis Costello.

Another performer who wore make-up on stage was Wayne County who later became Jayne (especially big in Germany).

Posted on Tue Feb 6 06:29:08 CET 2001 from 209-239-196-19.oak.jps.net (209.239.196.19)

Phil

I don't think Paul McCartney has been mentioned in the glasses thread yet. There are several photo's of him wearing thick black rimmed glasses in the studio during the recording of Revolver. Never seen any photo's before or after of him with glasses (shades don't count). Must have been a phase.?

Posted on Tue Feb 6 04:53:14 CET 2001 from user-33qt9of.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.167.15)

Pat Brennan

David P., the one exception to the collectors's combined confusion would of course have been Bessie Smith which, as far as I can tell, never appeared on any of the Basement Tapes collections until the Columbia release. BTW, has anyone noticed any overdubbing on any of the Dylan BT? I wonder, why not?

Posted on Tue Feb 6 04:44:57 CET 2001 from parachute3-156-40-62-14.net.nih.gov (156.40.62.14)

Jonathan Katz

Just in case you didn't see this posted at Expecting Rain [my emphasis]: In May, coming from Red House Records, in celebration of the 60th birthday of Bob Dylan: "A Nod to Bob: An artists and label tribute to Bob Dylan."

Ramblin Jack = "Don't Think Twice"

Spider john Koerner = Delia

Guy Davis (w/ Levon!!) = Sweetheart like you

Suzzy and Maggie Roche = Clothesline Saga

Rosalie Sorrells = Tomorrow Is a Long Time

Lucy Kaplansky = It Aint Me Babe

Norman Blake and Peter Ostroushko= Restless Farewell

Greg Brown = Pledging My Time

Cliff Eberhardt = I Want You

Eliza Gilkyson = Love Minus Zero/No Limit

John Gorka = Girl from the North Country

Hart-Rouge = With God on our Side (in French)

The Paperboys = AATW

Martin Simpson = Boots of Spanish Leather

Just looked at "Man Outside" courtesy someone who frequents this site. Bad movie all around. Best acting from Levon, but the best scene was when Garth's character says about three sentences about Viet Nam, and his friend says to a third party something to the effect of: "I've never heard him say that much in all the time I've known him." There's also a snippet of Garth playing accordian. Could've taken more of that and less of the female lead!

Posted on Tue Feb 6 04:11:33 CET 2001 from m198214181105.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.105)

Seinfeld

"Not that there is anything wrong with that!"

Posted on Tue Feb 6 03:58:55 CET 2001 from spider-ta054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.69)

Bayou Sam

Surely someone has mentioned Elton John in this glasses thread. He's got to be #1........How about Jeff Lynne? I don't think I've ever seen a photo of him without....... I think Jughead from the Archies wore shades in the 60's.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 03:13:46 CET 2001 from 229hpl65.hpl.lib.tx.us (204.235.229.65)

Adela V. Calbillo

You folks in California, please don't forget to post your sightings and hearings at the Barn Burners' gigs out there! I woulda flown out there to the House of Blues (where I saw The Band back in '96) but I had my own damn gig here in Houston... I miss them already and am jonesing for the next time I get to see them!

Posted on Tue Feb 6 01:10:49 CET 2001 from host-209-214-114-134.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.114.134)

BWNWITennessee

Glasses AND makeup? Anyone?

I personally tend to favor contacts because, as has been suggested, some women find men to be even more attractive with glasses, and I would hate to be personally responsible for causing bitter warfare amongst all womankind.

MattK, I think you just demonstrated why most horn players are considered unmitigated dweebs.

Posted on Tue Feb 6 00:27:45 CET 2001 from m198214178108.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.178.108)

Pehr

I like the glasses/shades thread too. I'd add Sir Doug Sahm, who always wore a dark set of wayfarers, often with a Cleveland Indians cap on.

Did Jimmy Buffet use the famous line, "Do you know who I am?"

Posted on Tue Feb 6 00:02:08 CET 2001 from mnmed.org (208.47.74.133)

Mr. Zero

A great question:

Does anyone have or seen the Little White Wonder bootleg album with the cartoon cover? It's pictured in Heylin's "Bootleg" book. Is someone interested in scanning it in or selling it? Thanks

Posted on Mon Feb 5 23:55:29 CET 2001 from sf45.cnsp.com (204.134.47.45)

Marc D

jeesh - watching Levon without a voice - it hurts - His daughter is awesome - like Levon - she looks like she's having fun! what a voice too - Any musicians from Santa Fe area reading this? email me!

Posted on Mon Feb 5 22:59:09 CET 2001 from (12.34.17.217)

Johnny Flippo

"As soon as I heard that four-letter word I'se makin' my plans to go."

DLil: You live in upstate NY. Almost _everyone_ lives in a place warmer than that. Perservere child, spring training starts in a couple of weeks.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 21:59:28 CET 2001 from spider-tm061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.71)

Mike

On the glasses thread, I remember seeing alot of pictures of Keith Richards (circa 1966-68) wearing blue-tinted round, wire-framed glasses. They were a bit larger than Lennon's. Famous photo of him and Brian Jones walking in London in Carnaby Street fashions.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 21:46:45 CET 2001 from slip-32-101-150-110.ga.us.prserv.net (32.101.150.110)

Don Pugatch

Great news on the concert front, here. March 10, John Hiatt will preform solo at The Roxy, in the Buckhead area of Atlanta. For details, check out www.atlantaconcerts.com or email me.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 21:43:49 CET 2001 from pm3-pt49.pcnet.net (206.105.29.123)

Laura P.

I think the snow is absolutely gorgeous. So silent and white, filling the air thick with heavy flakes and just coming down, down, down--at a leftward slant, steady and lovely, covering everything. I am just sitting here in the warmth with the lights out listening to Dylan & The Band's Isle of Wight concert, watching the snow fall through my big window. It's heavenly. (Of course, I'll admit, I'm lucky enough to not have to *go* anywhere.)

The Isle of Wight concert is utterly fantastic (I downloaded it from Napster a few weeks ago, and this is the first time I've been able to just sit and listen to the whole thing.) My favourite part is when Dylan starts to sing "I Threw It All Away" in his "new" voice and The Band groans/cracks up. Ha! Puts a big smile on my face every time.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 21:40:14 CET 2001 from user-33qt9e6.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.198)

Pat Brennan

Bones, Bessie Smith and Brazos were not cleaned up. They were completely re-recorded eight years later.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 20:54:00 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp98.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.98)

Diamond Lil

God I'm really beginning to hate the winter. Getting pounded with snow here...expecting more than 15" before it's over. Haven't seen my front lawn in months...which makes me think that Crabgrass must be posting from a climate warmer than mine. What I wouldn't give for a warm, sunny day and a few drinks with umbrellas in em.

David Powell: Liked your new rendition of Jimmy Buffet's 'Cheeseburger in Paradise'. Was pretty amazed to see him on the cover of the NY Post this morning. Kind of funny in a way too. I guess everyone's passionate about something, hm?

And speaking of being passionate about something, I'm really enjoying the posts about glasses which I inadvertantly started. What can I tell you? There's just something about a man in glasses...

Anyhow...time to go check and make sure my kids are not buried in the snow outside. Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 20:36:36 CET 2001 from (64.69.108.46)

Long Distance Operator

Mitt Stampler: My guess is that "Up To Me" was left off Blood On The Tracks because it's basically "Shelter From The Storm" with different words. Anyone?

Posted on Mon Feb 5 20:34:35 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Thanks to Peter Stone Brown for his post regarding the Basement Tapes. I completely agree. Songs like "Bessie Smith", "Ain't No More Cane" , etc were all Big Pink era songs. Granted, they were cleaned up, but I think it was needed. Take a song like "Ruben Remus" which had Richard alone on his piano. By "fixing" it up and making a Band song out of it, you have a couple of choices: put it out on a "new" Band album or release it as part of The Basement Tapes. I think they made the right decision. The Band's mystique was enhanced greatly by the Basement Tapes and the songwriters, which Peter Viney correctly mentioned included Richard and Rick, probably received more royalties.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 20:20:51 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.171)

David Powell

All this talk of glasses reminds me that James Dean was so nightsighted, he could hardly see without his specs. Mr. Dean, for many, was the epitome of the definition of cool, and his style didn't go unnoticed by rock 'n rollers at the time. Of course he didn't wear his glasses while on screen and many movie critics mistakenly attributed that intensity in his gaze to method acting technique.

Have y'all heard that new version of "Cheeseburger in Paradise" today. You parrothead sports fans know what I'm talking about--

"Times have changed for sailors these days
When at the game they get what they need
Not just Havanas or bananas but profanity
That Buffet expletive on which they feed"

Posted on Mon Feb 5 19:55:38 CET 2001 from du231-2.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.2.231)

Ilkka

On the behalf of the European (gb) Community: Dave and Yolanda! Keep posting. We envoy you. Tell Levon & co. to take the first plane to Heathrow or Schiphol.
On the behalf of the Male Menopause gb Community: Thanks for the posts - wearing glasses. I'd like to add Eric Clapton.
On the behalf of my dog: This is what I succeeded to censor from The Cure: "Instead of pushing the Submit button they have now a normal sex life".
On the behalf of myself: I'll be traveling and won't be seeing here for a few weeks.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 19:41:04 CET 2001 from gateway.beantown-ny.com (204.143.235.166)

Brien Sz

the future is so bright.., i gotta wear shades

That 'guy' who did that thing so well in the Wonders-- he wore shades as well--hey was that wood i heard being scraped

I was listening to a new Bluegrass group this last week--Nickel Creek-- a little schmaltzy(or to smoothly produced-not sure)--but nice.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 19:34:37 CET 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

R.G.: Nice to see a reference to John Fred and his Playboy Band. But I always thought "Judy In Disguise" was a sly reference to "Lucy In The Skies", rather than the other way around. Anyway, a great song.

Also, Toronto's Imperial Optical was owned by the Hermant family. One of the sons, Andy, wound up in the music biz - first as a member of a couple of socio-political jugbands (which sprouted among a gaggle of musicians that included future local luminaries like David Wilcox, Joe Mendelson, Daisy Debolt and Tony Quarrington) and then as engineer, and co-owner I believe, of Eastern Sound Studios. Or was it Manta?

Posted on Mon Feb 5 19:22:43 CET 2001 from 56k-socal-05-18.dial.qnet.com (209.221.199.33)

Dave & Yolanda (the phone guy)

The House of Blues L.A. is like the McDonalds of music venues. Marty Grebb sittin' in on piano and Richie Hayward doin' some drumming. Typical Hollywood vibe. (pretty people w/ nose in the air)

Santa Cruz on the other hand is your beach city!(Surfers,Hippies,and the new generation Dead Heads) more our type of folks.Fans there for the music not the scene. The opening group was a no show so the Barn Burners played two sets. I'm Ready Wang Dang Doodle Mannish Boy I Just Want to Make Love To You The Grass Is Always Greener

Got a day off then Tuesday the show is by Union Square downtown San Fransisco. Yeah, I know the last post was pretty ragged but lap-top in a hotel room when you're tryin' to hurry on expensive phone call. (phone men get no breaks) I'll try to post a little more intelligently when I get back to work where I've got the free ISDN line.

The fellas are playin' really good and the crowds are diggin' it !

Posted on Mon Feb 5 19:18:28 CET 2001 from du-tele3-056.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.56)

Peter Viney

David Powell puts it beautifully. I agreee re Basement “mystique” and they must have been so keen to give the bootleg owners a surprise.

Glasses on stage: Hank B. Marvin, of course. (Ask Neil Young if you don’t know). Shades on stage – it depends on the intensity of lighting, but I think it’s a mistake on the performer’s part. Communication skills 101. Make people think you’re singing to them. Move your eyes around the room, so that everyone feels involved. Of course the performer is half-blinded by the light and can’t really see very much, but the impression can be given. Works even in stadiums. Van the Man wears shades AND a wide brimmed hat putting half his face in shadow, and this really cuts off communication channels and makes him seem detached. Now some performers might have serious sensitivity to lights (wasn’t Orbison one?) but in general it’s a bad idea. At night in a dark club it leads to feet smashing plastic jackplugs and connectors.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 19:15:13 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

d d , Haven't heard Levon sing. That is very sad, but his stage presence, the joy in his face when he's playin the drums, and his kindness directed towards his fans still makes him #1.(Plus Chris and Amy lend a hand(super) on the vocals!!!

Posted on Mon Feb 5 19:06:15 CET 2001 from on-tor-blr-ahp-13-31.look.ca (209.161.237.31)

R.G. Wittgenstein

I love this thread about glasses! It shouldn't go without mentioning Jim McGuinn of The Byrds (who disappeared in Rio and was replaced by his brother Roger). Jim wore those groovy blue-tinted granny glasses perched rakishly halfway down his nose, apparently inspired by John Sebastian.

Other specs wearers that I'd like to mention at this time; Freddie of Freddie And The Dreamers (Do The Freddie), Randy Newman, and John Fred of The Playboys whose big hit "Judy in Disguise" was about a girl with glasses and I always felt was a subliminal influence on John Lennon's "Lucy In The Sky". We can discuss The Beatles here no?

Now when you mention Roy Orbison, it should be noted that Roy would come up to Toronto to get his special glasses made at Imperial Optical which was located on Dundas Square near Yonge Street, just steps away from Le Coq D'Or Tavern and The Friars where a certain group of cats were known to hang out.

By the way, all you dolls out there, I wear 'em too.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 18:38:36 CET 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

I'm not sure about this, but songwriter Harold Arlen may be a link between the Band and the Wiz. I have this foggy notion that Arlen was involved in both "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" and "Come Rain Or Come Shine" (as sung by Ray Charles on the "King of Comedy" soundtrack produced by Robbie Robertson.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 18:32:50 CET 2001 from (209.195.208.10)

bassmanlee

Geez, took a while for Jerry to show up in the "glasses" thread. Ya'll had me worried there...

How about Marshall Crenshaw, Jack Cassidy (Airplane, Hot Tuna), or Ric Ocasek of The Cars, who wore National Health style shades dark enough for Zaphod Beeblebrox - hell, did he have eyeballs? And speaking of National Health, how about Dave Stewart (not the Eurythmics guy) who not only wore them but named the group after them?

If anyone's interested, the answer to my previous post seems to be "Time to Kill", although I may try "When You Awake" if it's in a decent key.

While I'm here.. please check out Delaware's resident Dylan/Dead/et. al. influenced band-o-hippies, my friends The Porch Chops at www.porchchops.com, and also the band BZB (Butch Zito Band) on MP3.com. Thanks.

What other under-exposed local bands are out there "keeping the flame" of the Band, the Dead, etc.?

Posted on Mon Feb 5 18:17:23 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.171)

David Powell

Robbie's in the basement re-mixing up the medicine
I'm on the pavement thinkin' about George Dubya

In the words of Brother Dave Gardner, "All seriousness aside". For me, the cover of the Columbia album version of "The Basement Tapes" says it all. Dylan & the boys, unlike many of their fans, didn't look upon this material as some sort of collection of sacred psalms, forever frozen in the amber of acetate. Imagine the smiles on their faces when they heard the reaction that the songs sounded different from the black market goods that the fans had bought from the bootleggers.

"Jokerman dance to the nightingale's tune"

"Now go out and get yourself some big black frames
With the glass so dark they won't even know your name."

Posted on Mon Feb 5 17:48:04 CET 2001 from spider-wi083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.58)

bob wigo

Sometimes I wear glasses so as to see what the hell I'm looking at.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 17:14:58 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-25-207.maine.rr.com (66.30.25.207)

mattk

Miles Davis most often wore glasses in his post-Bitches Brew performances. He also played with his back to the audience and with his horn pointed to the ground.

Gee, and I thought Robbie wore glasses on stage because...I dunno...HE HAS BAD EYES???? Now we're RR bashing because he doesn't like to wear contacts anymore? Good lord, people, check your dosage...

Beyond the utilitarian need (e.g. Roy Orbison), I think a lot of musicians wear glasses to create a sense of privacy on stage. I think a lot of guys (and women, I presume, though the glasses on stage thing seems to be a predominantly male thing) find it creates a sense that they're not actually standing in front of people.

My guess it's akin closing one's eyes while playing. Something about it allows you to bring music back into yourself and concentrate on it (at least for me). Plus, if you're a horn player, you tend to look a bit bug eyed if you solo with your eyes open).

Some guys wear shades because of stagefright. The sax player from Dave Matthew's Band, for example, is petrified on stage - the shades actually keep him from seeing the audience and gives him comfort as if he were hiding.

Some singers will perform with eyes closed. However, this is generally considered bad form in the "front man" school. Audiences like to feel like they're being sung to, and if you don't appear to be looking at them, then you lose a sense of connection.

Some folks will look right in the audience and try to find faces. Others will look over the audiences head to a wall in the back of the joint.

Bottom line, is it's a matter of taste. Musicians are like baseball players - pretty superstitious and rather fond of their totems. The only thing that bugs the crap out of me is when people where shades as a kind of "uniform," a la The Blues Brothers.

I've actually left bands that insisted on wearing shades on stage (at night in a dark club). As an affectation, shades reek of "suburban white guy trying to act cool and tough." For some reason, horn sections wear shades a lot - re-enforcing my belief that most of my wind-instrument bretheren are un-mitigated dweebs.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 16:03:22 CET 2001 from (132.236.56.138)

Jim Roberts

Trying to locate Bruce Smith, the photographer who took some of the photos of Rick Danko that are posted at the site. Please contcat me directly at jhr22@cornell.edu if you know how to find him.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 15:57:28 CET 2001 from proxy-1531.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.221.107)

Bill W.

Performers wearing glasses: Herbie Hancock, early K.D. Laing, Mark Volman, Dizzy Gillespie, Jack Cassidy, Noel Redding, and Weird Al Yankovic.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 13:28:21 CET 2001 from dub.iinet.net.au (203.59.210.3)

Nancy

Since my name has been mentioned here by Bashful Bill, I may as well come clean and 'fess up that I am still hanging around the GB, reading but not writing. The discussion has been way over my head for ages folks!! However there is always hope that the bottom of the barrel as hinted at by Crabby, will make an opening for a lightweight and pedantic comment by me at some future time!

If you want to go lower than low, I could add to the observations regarding musicians wearing glasses by saying that I don't CARE if RR needed those glasses or not... they were a damn good look whichever is true!!!!

Its very coincidental that The Lovin' Spoonful got a mention here as I have just bought a Best Of CD of theirs and, not knowing what John Sebastion looked like back then or now even, was curious as to which of the four guys pictured was him.....now I know... the one in the glasses most likely!

Nice to see Crabby getting back to his old form and people seeing that the Barnburners name (sorry!) gets proper treatment!

Posted on Mon Feb 5 13:27:11 CET 2001 from dialup-082.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.82)

HANK

I don't know about The Wizard of Oz but there's this movie called The Last Waltz which, if you watch it, it kinda LOOKS like The Band and their buds all hangin' out and playing a gig....but apparently it's all overdubbed!!!!!

Speaking of watching cartoons whilst listening to The Band .......I saw a rerun of "The Old Grey Whistle Test" (A British Rock Music TV series from the '70ies) which featured The Bands version of "The Promised Land" shown over a B&W Krazy Kat cartoon from The '20ies. Krazy Kat was going on a journey to California in this clip and it all seemed to lock in thematically.

Charlie Watts wore funky tinted glasses during the "Some Girls" era.........um, does that count in this latest thread?

Posted on Mon Feb 5 13:07:51 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Another musician who sometimes wears glasses on stage: Lou Reed sometimes wears his "professor" style glasses.

Musicians who wear or wore make-up on stage: Lou Reed again, David Bowie (Bowie produced Lou's "Transformer") Robert Smith of the Cure (also performed with Bowie at Bowie's 50th birthday party at Madison Square Gardens), Iggy Pop (I think they wrote "China Girl" together or Bowie wrote "China Girl" for Iggy and they also lived together in Berlin for awhile), Mick Jagger (it is rumoured that "Angie" is really about Bowie and not about Bowie's wife Angie at the time), Alice Cooper and his copy cat Marilyn Manson, Culture Club's Boy George and Adam Ant to name some that come instantly to mind.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 10:13:57 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-25-207.maine.rr.com (66.30.25.207)

mattk

I've actually done the "Dark Side of the Moon" / Pink Floyd test. It's pretty uncanny at times, though I'm a skeptic at heart and tend to believe you could template almost any surrealistic rock album over the Wizard of Oz and get interesting results...

Posted on Mon Feb 5 06:38:48 CET 2001 from 2cust99.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.133.227)

Crabgrass

Now that the bottom of the barrel is finally being scraped - how about male rock musicians who wear/wore make-up? I'll start with two Band connected ones - David Johansen who's recently played with Levon. And Dylan - circa Renaldo & Clara.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 06:12:39 CET 2001 from host-209-214-117-92.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.117.92)

BWNWITennessee

I was just getting ready to mention Roy Orbison when Dr Pepper done went and stole it. Oh, well. RC Cola forever!!

Did Robbie really need to wear glasses, or was it strictly a fashion thing? I've seen him with glasses lately (funky yellow ones, too), but he didn't wear them after about 1970 until 1997 or so. And speaking of dishonest fashion issues, do y'all think he dyes his hair? I mean, come on, the guy's pushin' 60 and it's still jet black. Can't trust a thing about those L.A. A&R slicksters. It's probably a rug.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 05:01:17 CET 2001 from 1cust93.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.93)

Crabgrass

The connection is that Levon hails from Marvel, Arkansas. That's about it.

BTW I also heard that MG(s) stands for Memphis Group.

Posted on Mon Feb 5 04:56:30 CET 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr Pepper

How about the one and only Roy Orbison with those funky glasses of his?

Posted on Mon Feb 5 03:55:41 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tb074.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.54)

Dave Z

Does anybody know if the Band ever did anything that relates to the Wizard of Oz in any way?... I was watching it today and noticed the Traveling Medicine Man was called Prof. Marvel... So I did a quick Yahoo search myself... and all I could find was a hilarious theory about Dark Side Of The Moon... where people were playing it at the same time as the Wizard of Oz... and it looked liked the characters were singing the songs... Now that's the kinda research job I want... there was a bunch of other stuff too which made me wonder after about a half hour if these folks don't put to shame all the Dylanologists trying to analyze his lyrics... By the way, have any of you out there watched cartoons while err, listening to the Band?... Fess up...

Posted on Mon Feb 5 00:39:53 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-25-207.maine.rr.com (66.30.25.207)

mattk

Hey Mitt! Good to see your handle again. Was a bit worried that the beltway had swallowed you up. Funny, after 3 1/2 years in DC hell, I'm finding:

1) I'm not bitching about winters up here in Maine. Compared to a DC July, I'll take February in New England any day.

2) I used to think of Boston traffic as hellacious. Perhaps it truly is (I only have to negotiate it once a week). I do find myself sitting in the backup where I95 and I93 intersect, listening to the Coffehouse on WERS, and thinking "beats the hell out of 495 near the temple...wimps"

Posted on Mon Feb 5 00:09:39 CET 2001 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott13

Ray Manzarek, Bo Diddley, BB King wore specs onstage as well. Paul Kantner, but who really cares about him? Al DiMeola and Billy Cobham, Gerry Rafferty, John Denver. What about the most famous of them all, Nana Miskouri. I think those glasses are back in style.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 23:52:45 CET 2001 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

Jerry Garcia and Phil Lesh wore/wear glasses on stage. So did Lennon in the post Beatles era. I think one of the Doobies wore glasses too, the drummer? Knudsen? Didn't Robbie wear glasses on ROA? BTW I always thought MGs stood for Memphis Group, not memphis guys, but I have been known to be wrong before.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 23:47:11 CET 2001 from du-tele3-046.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.46)

Peter Viney

Distraught by the news of General Wayne’s untimely demise. Hopefully it’s just another ruse, and he will re-emerge like Sherlock Holmes from the battle on the waterfall. It has happened before. Like King Arthur, I have a feeling that he will reappear when his country needs him. At his ripe old age, taking cigars into a girls dorm was probably a simple tribute to his ex-president. The general may have fired shots in anger in his early days, but he was a loveable old rogue, and we now know that he was firing blanks (according to Mrs Wayne at least). He leaves no heirs. Thank you Lars for keeping us all informed. I hope Major Major Major was able to attend the wake. Tonight I’ll be playing “The Ballad of Davy Crockett” and “The Battle of New Orleans” in his memory. Damn. He loved those songs.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 22:37:48 CET 2001 from user-33qta73.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.168.227)

Pat Brennan

A couple of years ago I did a comparison between the original Basement Tapes and the versions that appeared on the 1975 release. I posted this in the GB at that time: Re: Basement Tapes 1975 Columbia Release: "I did some comparisons and this is what I found. 1) Orange Juice Blues: guitar, handclaps, and a sax solo were added to original performance. 2) Yazoo Street Scandal: the same. However, the quality--especially in comparison to the original version--makes me think this was recorded someplace other than Big Pink. Hard to say. 3)Katie's Been Gone: whew, drums added, organ/accordian added, background vocals changed/removed/enhanced, etc. 4) Doncha Tell Henry: close mic'ed drums, clean recording, if forced to, I would guess this is one of the purported Shangri-La recordings. 5) Bessie Smith and 6) Aint No More Cane: no comparisons to extant tapes, so hard to say. 7) Ruben Remus: overdubbed drums, vocals removed/enhanced, etc. Am I missing anything? In addition, Odds and Ends, although dated before Levon's arrival, seems to have the full group present and accounted for. I wonder if the studio tricks were also applied to this." Clinton Heylin later quoted Rob Fraboni as saying Bessie Smith and Brazos were the two songs re-recorded for the album.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 21:03:05 CET 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Hey Mitt! Great to see you again!

Hey Lil! Hope you enjoyed your slice. Didn't realize there were hostilities going on between my country and our Karelian brothers. I'll look it up in the Kalevala... But we don't need no general since we have enough humour ourselves.

"Now when the Humour / Comes to your town / It grows and grows / Where it started no-one knows :-)

Hey Ilkka my friend! Loved your website, but can't contribute to your glasses thread. I'm not good at portraits you know... :-)

Posted on Sun Feb 4 20:42:11 CET 2001 from akcf2.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.200)

Rod

I agree that The Band's BT tracks may have been better of on an album of their own and maybe this is what Levon was on about in his book. Songs like Bessie, Katies Been Gone. Orange Juice are amongst their best work. My guess is that they thought they would get more royalties from having them on a better selling Dylan album.

It will be disapointing if the WG tracks surface yet again on ROA. The best thing about WG was that songs like Time to Kill and The Rumour were included. Maybe they should rerelease WG with bonus tracks!

Posted on Sun Feb 4 20:34:48 CET 2001 from spider-tk014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.179)

Hollow Roy

There's a good one-page article by Richard Gehr in the March/April issue of My Generation, a magazine published by AARP. The article recommends the new CD remasters, but also attempts to capsulize the history and mystique of the group. It contains a few arguable assessments like, "...the Band was always the sound of things falling apart." and reference to "...the Band's biblically inspired stock and trade." But, all in all, is a good piece and hurled me momentarily onto a comet of nostalgia. The article closes with the author's list of "FIVE GREAT BAND TRACKS YOU'LL NEVER HEAR ON CLASSIC ROCK RADIO" , including Whispering Pines, In A Station, King Harvest, The Rumor and, of course, Jupiter Hollow. -- Finally evidence that there's some advantage to being old enough to belong to AARP. Glasses on stage: Did anyone mention Elvis C, Elton J, and either of those obnoxious Gallagers? Also Ella Fitzgerald was cool with the specs for a while. Lil, Twilight~ "Crackerbox Palace" may allude to something in Harrison's life but the song rings of a psychiatric care center to me. Don't forget, Harrison also wrote Blue Jay Way.-- Just my humility soaked opinion. Ophelia later, Roy

Posted on Sun Feb 4 19:16:53 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-te022.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.157)

frank

Great job by Master Garth and The Crowmatix last nite at The Pattenburg House. This was one hell of a show. My ears are still ringing. This friday Jimmy and The Gurus will be at General Steve Pattenburgs. can't wait

Posted on Sun Feb 4 19:06:31 CET 2001 from spider-wi013.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.23)

Bashful Bill

Rick S. yeah, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. You may insist on Rick S. but you're Downstate Rick to me. Guru's on Mar 3- we need it, you & Pat, & me, & Ruby. Ralph, haven't been in touch ina while, my fault, my real life, but I saw a post a few days ago which indicated you & the lovely Donna will probably attend? Not only are you a fellow upstater, but I think you may be the biggest Guru's/Barn Burners(note 2 words)/BD fan I know. One more thing-Nancy, if you read this will you please email me, I seem to have lost your address, the ikin one. I owe you a way overdue update or 2. Haven't seen a post from you in a long time, hope all is well, hope you aren't hangin around those crazy Down Under Survivors.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 18:38:46 CET 2001 from spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.57)

Charlie Young

The eyeglass thread wouldn't be complete without Buddy Holly and John Sebastian. Sebastian even contibuted a great song about wearing glasses--"Four Eyes"--back in the Lovin' Spoonful days.

John Sebastian opened a couple of shows in the Philly area last week, one for Dave Mason and one for Sally Taylor (daughter of Carly Simon and James Taylor). I was in Philly on business and caught the show with Mason, who was really amazing. Mason's voice and guitar work have never been better and he had a fine band. Dave even called Sebastian out to play some great blues harp on vibrant versions of "Stormy Monday" and "Gimme Some Lovin'". I think he was wearing glasses also...

Posted on Sun Feb 4 17:38:58 CET 2001 from dialup-166.90.24.185.washington1.level3.net (166.90.24.185)

Mitt Stampler

Illka--You forgot one of my personal favorites for wearing glasses onstage, Norman Blake. Had such a crush on him! Okay, I'll save it for my shrink :)

Lil--So DC traffic has become that legendary? No laptop--I spend 12-14 hours a day staring at a computer screen, and if I actually had to look at one on the Metro, than it's time to quit the rat race and get a job at the post office. Nah, just let me have my Discman and sixteen morning cups of coffee. Speaking of which, this morning I was listening to that song of Dylan's, "Hard Times From the Country" (not sure of the title, I have it on a gift cd, "Folksinger's Choice) that I was quoting from yesterday ("When I leave New York I'll be standing on my feet") and my beloved spouse walks in, listens for a second, and says, "Yeah, you're such a hayseed, Bob." I tried to point out that this was before he hit the big time.

Good to be back, as always. I better get going or I'll be here all day, and supposedly I'm writing something new...Back to work :) And it's a sunny day here in our Nation's Capital, so I don't even have the excuse that it's too wet...Sorry, bad joke.

Peace.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 17:33:44 CET 2001 from pm457-03.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.109)

twilight

Happy to respond to you Lil. If my memory serves me correctly, George Harrison was in Europe and he ran into a fellow who reminded him of a comedian named Lord Buckley, who was someone whom Harrison found quite amusing. Anyway, Harrison told this fellow "you remind me of Lord Buckley" and the fellow replied that he was Lord Buckley's manager for some 20 years or so. This fellow told George that Lord Buckley lived in an old beatup house in LA called "Crackerbox Palace." Anyway -George thought the name song-appropriate and went from there. There are some references to the story in the song - and some of George's wonderful testament to his faith. I think it's a great Harrison song.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 17:08:10 CET 2001 from 209-130-140-127.nas2.mon.gblx.net (209.130.140.127)

Lars

DIAMOND LIL: I noticed you entered a recent post that mentioned "Gen John Wayne." It hasn't been announced to the press, but the good general died in Tahiti during the third quarter of the Super Bowl. He was re-loading shotgun shells in the basement of a girls dorm and somehow a blown special teams play by his beloved New York Giants caused him to drop his cigar into a keg of gunpowder. He was 209.

Gen John Wayne was a veteran of many conflicts, but always distanced himself from the Scandanavian feuds. This was not because he was afraid (he authored the best-selling book "Macho Is Not A Four Letter Word"), but rather because he couldn't keep track. The Swedes have always dumped on the Norwegians, the Norsemen say the Danes talk like they have potatoes in their mouth, the Danes say the best drinking toast the Finns can come up with is "Now!" And so on.

So, you see, conflict is all around us. If we can stop short of really hurting each other that's probably all that we can hope for. Gen Wayne's special gift was that he wasn't smart enough to hurt anyone.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 15:16:44 CET 2001 from spider-tm054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.69)

Joe

I'm really not trying to be a stickler.....BUT!!!! Lets go with the correct spelling of the "Barn Burners". It's two words....not one!!!!! Now let me check this post for errors. Wouldn't want anyone coming back at me concerning corrections. Have a good day all.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 13:51:38 CET 2001 from spider-wl012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.22)

Rick S.

It's a beautiful morning. Thanks for the warm thoughts and prayers. In my head I hear Rick Danko singing "Bound By Love."

Posted on Sun Feb 4 13:46:08 CET 2001 from du-tele3-130.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.130)

Peter Viney

For the original Watkins Glen set list go to Tape archive on this site. There was also a bootleg 2LP set, which no one seems to have, but which I actually had in my hand in the 70s. I couldn’t afford it. The tapes circulated for years. You’ll note that the CD release (a) made no attempt to replicate the running order of the concert. (b) As Pat has noted, neither “The Rumor” nor “Time to Kill” were performed on the show (c) the CD is under 45 minutes long. The tapes run to 110 minutes. Allowing that they didn’t want a double CD it’s still an ungenerous 30 minutes short of what it could have been. On the CD there are some interesting weasel words “drawn from the most complete available tape of the Band’s Watkins Glen performance.” It doesn’t say ALL drawn from, so even if a couple of tracks only really were, it is not a “lie” in legalistic terms. But further on it says “an opportunity to hear an unadorned, unaugmented set by the quintet” which is its value wherever the tracks did come from. It’s clear that the ten tracks were selected so as not to duplicate too much from Rock of Ages, Before The Flood and the Last Waltz, hence The Rumor and Time To Kill and Lovin You. As there are two Dylan credits, one Chuck Berry, one Wonder / Hunter, one Garth Hudson and one “The Band” writing credit, I don’t think Robbie can be accussed of selecting tracks on the basis of writing royalties. Assuming that Wayne Watkins, the producer, is Robbie. It will be sad if it has disappeared from circulation. Let’s hope for a complete Woodstock set.

Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is a recommendation I’d heartily endorse. I’m going to see it again this week. Great soundtrack BUT the song over the closing credits is a monumentally awful effort to do a Titanic, so get out during the credits.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 13:38:45 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp35.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.35)

Diamond Lil

Seems alot of folks in here know quite a bit about the music of George Harrison..so I have a question. Can anyone explain to me what the song "Crackerbox Palace" is about? I've always loved the song..but can't quite figure out it's meaning. Thanks.

Ok...so we had Gen. John Wayne resolve conflicts with humor in here between the US and our neighbors to the North...so who do we call on to get the Dutch and Finnish to wave the white flags and co-exist peacefully again? Norway? C'mon you guys....life's too short for animosity between friends. Truce..please.

Hi Mitt! Nice to "see" you again! It's been a long time. Perhaps we should all chip in and get you a laptop for those times you're stuck in the DC traffic, hm? :-)

Have a good day everyone. See you soon Miwa. Hug Jan ( from me and all the nail polish people :-)

Posted on Sun Feb 4 10:21:22 CET 2001 from roc-24-95-208-75.rochester.rr.com (24.95.208.75)

Dave Hopkins

Catching up on a couple of things:

*The Basement Tapes: I'm not against artists fixing up albums, even live albums, after the fact. However, one of the reasons that the Basement Tapes in particular became legendary was the sense of mystery and intrigue that surrounded them, from the first "lost Bob Dylan album" reports through the Great White Wonder bootleg to the official release of the Columbia LP eight years later. Bob and the boys were hiding out in that basement in Woodstock during the Summer of Love singing these weird little songs into a home tape recorder, and the result was a major artistic achievement which not only can compete with that other great milestone of 1967 (you know, that record with all those people on the cover that took 100-something days of Abbey Road studio time) but which, despite its casual, offhand, sometimes goof-off quality, rises to a height that neither Dylan nor The Band would reach again too often in the thirty-plus years that followed, no matter how deliberately they tried. Sometimes I think that Greil Marcus and his allies go a bit overboard in their promotion of the basement-magic theme, but I basically agree that something special was going on in Big Pink that summer that has never really happened before or since, to those guys or anyone else, for that matter. As much as I enjoy those 8 Band tracks on the official BT album, then, I have concluded that they really don't fit...after all, it's become remarkably clear that they're not really basement tapes, and at least a few of them date from years after the fact. If The Band had put out a standalone record consisting of those tracks (plus a couple others to fill out a standard LP), it would have been their best post-Stage Fright album. But it's misleading, I think, to treat them as true basement tapes, and the situation has gotten rather ridiculous now that 5 of the 8 also appear on the reissued Capitol albums. The time has long since come for Columbia to replace the BT album with a multidisc set containing more of the Dylan basement tracks, so that the likes of "Sign on the Cross", "I'm Not There", etc. can be shared with the world beyond the tape traders and bootleg collectors.

*Clinton Heylin: I've found Heylin's book on Dylan's recording sessions an occasionally valuable resource, though it contains its share of inaccuracies (as well as disagreements with Michael Krogsgaard to the extent that it is apparently impossible to determine with any certainty who played on "Subterranean Homesick Blues", "Like a Rolling Stone" and many other monumental Dylan tracks). Heylin is a very opinionated fellow, which is fine, but it's clear that his opinion of The Band is fairly mixed, and he has a certain contempt for Robertson. Undoubtedly Robbie's widely-quoted though ill-considered claim that he taught Dylan to make real records by playing him a lot of old Sun and Stax-Volt stuff rubbed Heylin the wrong way, but Heylin asserts just as unbelievably that Dylan taught Robertson how to write songs (when Robbie was contributing material to Ronnie Hawkins before he even joined the Hawks as a guitar player). Did Dylan and the Band learn immensely from each other? Of course. But neither was exactly starting from scratch, either!

*Finally, the Band and the Beatles. I've always felt that "In a Station" was far and away the most Beatlesque of Band songs (just listen to those background vocals on the "Once upon a time..." section!) and was interested to see Richard Manuel refer to it as his "George Harrison song" in an interview. So those guys were checking out Sgt. Pepper during those long Woodstock summer days...

Posted on Sun Feb 4 10:10:48 CET 2001 from du239-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.239)

Ilkka

Thread: WEARING GLASSES - Artists wearing glasses on the stage? John Lennon, John Denver, RR, Lightnin' Hopkins, Franco Battiato (something for Rag', BTW I thought you've gathered your pastries, wrapped them in your sonets and left). Certainly, you can continue the list.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 06:35:24 CET 2001 from spider-wk012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.152)

Dave Z

Hey Lil', I was blue and you made me laugh... I think Rick looks good in glasses too... and I am currently making a painting of him in glasses (but from TLW)... I think I was inspired by his TLW comments about what happens when you start having too much fun... anyway I was thinking of glasses because I just went in for my first ever eye exam... I was late so I had to run to the cash machine in between the time I got the drops to dilate my eyes and the time the doctor examined me... and it freaked me out because I could'nt see a damn thing driving... I had to guess at the cash machine too... anyway, the doctor took one look and actually said "Damn you're farsighted", "And it's gonna get worse in a couple of years"... I said "This is my first eye examine"... As a consolation he complemented me on my fine fishing vest and said something like "you a photographer or something?"... anyway, I'm rambling... the gist of it all is that my bifocals arrive in 5 days... the doctor asked me if I was a little concerned about the appearance of bifocals... and I replied "I'm wearing the vest aren't I"... Anyway, all this happened before I saw your post, and I've been laid up for a week now with sore legs from too much jogging (another addiction) so thanks for the laugh...

Regarding the Basement Tapes, don't you just love some of those instrumentals that seem to ramble on forever...

Posted on Sun Feb 4 05:36:25 CET 2001 from 1cust196.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.128.196)

Crabgrass

MG, as in Booker T. and the..., stands for "Memphis Group" as I heard it. They played a neat free lunch time outdoor concert last summer in downtown Brooklyn of all places. Nice day too.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 04:43:51 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg034.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.164)

Bayou Sam

oh yeah, I forgot.

Bind Willie = I never knew that MG's stood for Memphis Guys. That's cool. I love that kind of rock trivia.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 04:40:32 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg034.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.164)

Bayou Sam

B.E.G. = that was an interesting peice about The Band/Beatles. I never imagined The Band being all that influenced by a band like The Beatles....

I always found 1968 interesting. The Beatles, who bought the "psychedelic" sound to full boil with Sgt. Pepper, totally shifted gears in '68 with Hey Jude and the White Album. Clapton split from Cream and lost the Hendrix hair-doo - and of course Big Pink came out. It was almost like everyone had had enough flower power / marshmallow overcoat stuff. Even the Stones realized that 2000 Light Years from Home was not really them - but Street Fighting Man was.....Look at The Band themselves. They were a Rock-a-Billy back up band. They hung out with Dylan and traveled the world for a while which it seems shaped them somewhat into what they became.

Yeah - I think alot of Rock and Roll fruit ripened in 1968. That's just my take - but what the hell do I know? I'm just a regular guy who brings up George Harrison too much. (It's All Too Much) :-)

Posted on Sun Feb 4 04:26:31 CET 2001 from user-33qt98j.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.19)

Pat Brennan

Bashful Bill, they did indeed open with Back To Memphis, just not the version on the official WG release.

BTW, I'd like to know people's opinions of WG vs. The Basement Tapes. Are these just two peas in a pod?

Posted on Sun Feb 4 03:10:22 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

Blind Willie McTell

What if .... Levon, Garth, and RR got together with Booker T. and the MG's?

Posted on Sun Feb 4 02:32:51 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

Blind Willie McTell

I have got agree with brown-eyed girl about Booker T & The MG's. Did you know MG's is short for the Memphis Guys? They, like The Band showed in TLW, can play behind anyone. The Stax records, Otis, Dylan's house band for the '92 tribute, Neil Young tour a few years back.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 02:20:41 CET 2001 from dialup-126.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.126)

HANK

BASHFUL BILL!!!.......you actually emailed me once about attending Watkins Glen but talked about the girls you was dancin' with as opposed the notes you took on The Bands set-list....Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! Really, Bill!.....Dancin and shimmying with girls!!.....Where did you think you were?..at a Rock'n'Roll concert or something?.....for Heavens sake, Bill!!!!....did'nt you know that 28 years later you'd be on The GB?..........Now, if you were paying attention, like STANLEY LANDAU, who emailed me today, you woulda been able to confirm that The Band did indeed open up with "Back to Memphis" @ WG..........Well, either way, it was good to hear from both of you, fellas....THANKS!!!............I was only 10 in 1973.......I was probably playing baseball in Queens when The Band were playing "Back to Memphis"@ WG.........ah well ......I play it meself these days......both drummers that play in the various bands I lead round here are Levon fanatics......Well, what else would you expect?

RICK S.......I only know you from being here on The GB, but I wish you all the strength you need at this time........

Posted on Sun Feb 4 01:44:09 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Bronx Sam: Tim Riley has written the following about the influence of The Beatles on The Band (the best Canadian band with an adopted American drummer) and "The Basement Tapes": "What the Band learned from the Beatles was how to balance instrumental voices inside the ensemble, so that specific moments or inflections become just as enjoyable as the overall effect, the details as expressive as the whole."

"After hanging out with Dylan for just under two years, Robertson has sponged up everything Dylan has to teach about song styling-how inference can be more titillating than detail, how intriguing setups can alleviate the need for follow-through, how vagaries can stack up to pseudoplots. The idea of an American Beatles begins to make sense on these recordings; and when the Band comes into its own, the confluence or writers, voices, and players emerges as a distinct yet Beatles-inspired approach. Along with producer John Simon, Robertson is responsible for the pine-box tone of their early records, but he counts on Danko, Manuel, and Helm for the singing"..........

Best American band: short lived but very influential the Velvet Underground and Booker T Jones and the MG's with Otis Redding. Otis Redding would never get the boot off the "island" if I was allowed more recordings to take with me........although, on second thought....I would probably feel too much longing with his heartfelt soul music on a lonely island.......now if he was allowed day passes........

"Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" a film by Ang Lee is a must for people who are not only able to see with their eyes but with their hearts.....there is also a lot of martial arts performed by women for those inclined. Hollywood movies can't hold a candle to this caliber of film making......

Posted on Sun Feb 4 01:35:42 CET 2001 from dialup-166.90.30.116.washington1.level3.net (166.90.30.116)

Mitt Stampler

Regarding the Basement tapes...for some reason I've been listening to them a lot at work lately. (And no, I work on the fourth floor :)) I'd definitely agree that Dylan's stuff shows his sillier side. The Band songs (Don't You Tell Henry--any relation to the Mrs.? and Tears of Rage) to me, always sound better when listened to it context with the other Band stuff. Of course, I have to confess that I'm always a bit blown away by Dylan. I was listening to the Blood on the Outtakes tape this morning--why they left off "Up to Me," I've never understood--does anyone know? "

" Love "Back to Memphis..." I'm originally from Pennsy, but I know the sentiment. Of course, now I'm in Washington DC, so I find myself thinking "So all you newsy people that are spreading news around/ You've listened to my story, you've listened to my song/ You can step on my name, you can try to get the beat/ When I leave DC, I'll be standing on my feet." Just like Hilary! :) Apologizes to Dylan, though. "

" Lil: Glad to see you again, and yes, I agree with you on the glasses issue. My beloved spouse has worn glasses since the age of three :) He was still wearing him when I met him 15 years later. What can I say? Tommy: Happy Birthday! "

" Rick & Pat: Brightest Blessings, thoughts, prayers, and peace. "

" Mattk--Good to see you again! I completely rehauled my site, so come visit and sign my guestbook. Been troubled by chronic insomnia, so spending time on it. I'm still DasMitt on AOL Instant messenger, so do write if you'd like. "

" Watkins Glen isn't accurate? Say it ain't so! Personally, that's the album that really cheers me up in early morning DC traffic (which is something I wish on no human, or one-celled animals, or even the cast of "Temptation Island." "

" Peace, y'all.

Posted on Sun Feb 4 00:52:27 CET 2001 from c5300-1-ip127.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.224.127)

miwa

Rick S.- I think you can tell how we have you and your dear wife in our hearts and on our minds. My prayers are with you, Pat, & those in whose hands she is entrusted. May you all be blessed!

Jon Lyness- Thank you very much for the link to the write-up of the 2nd half of the reissues!

Dave & Yolanda- Sounds like you're having an amazing adventure! Are you driving a car on this trip? I agree about how great Amy's singing and presence is! Did Levon let her sing more than the same 3 or 4 songs once in a while? Or maybe sing lead on more than one song yet (I don't mean shared leads)? That's something I look forward to! The rest sounds reliably wonderful! Thanks for sharing it all with us! Keep it coming, Please!!!

Tommy- HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Posted on Sun Feb 4 00:09:29 CET 2001 from spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.56)

Bashful Bill

Hank-as you often do, you raise a good question regarding Watkins Glen. I meet your 1st criteria in that I was indeed there. I fail to meet your 2nd criteria as I was indeed, as you put it, "too stoned or zonked" too remember what The Band's opening song was(the majority of the year's 73-77 were like that, for better or worse. "Remember The Glen" was one of my battle/party cries in those days). My sketchy memory always recalled them opening with The Shape I'm In,though the release of To Kingdom Come in the late 80's, and the controversial official WG release of a few years ago refuted that fond recollection. So, someone, or more likely several someones around here has the tapes and should be able to clear it up, I stand ready to be corrected.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 23:30:24 CET 2001 from du-tele3-157.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.157)

Peter Viney

One more shot ought to do it, one last stand. On the Basement recordings, note that in Pepote Rouge (see the article on the site) there is a tenuous link to Carlos Castaneda. I suspect that someone who read widely in the 70s and was of Native-American background was sure to have explored Castaneda’s work. One of Don Juan’s central tenets was “Erase all personal history.” Add to that the fascination with the character of the Trickster (in Native American folklore) and the Confidence-Man (in Western folklore) and you have a theme Greil Marcus follows in Robbie’s lyrics. So, “erase your history” + “the trickster” leads to deliberate smokescreens and false trails, as a matter of artistic intent. Ah well, enough of lyrical themes. think I'll spend the rest of the evening with vintage Weather Report (Sweetnighter).

Posted on Sat Feb 3 23:21:40 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ti051.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.171)

Bayou Sam

.....another best American band (artist) =

Robert Johnson and his guitar.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 23:08:25 CET 2001 from du-tele3-153.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.153)

Peter Viney

Heylin: In “The recording sessions” Heylin attributes “Ferdinand The Imposter” to Richard. As the remasters prove (and anyone with half an ear for lyrical themes could have attested) it’s by Robbie. Heylin suggests that the omission of Beautiful thing and You Say you love Me was part of the Robbie conspiracy to do Richard down. but anyone who has heard these tantalizing fragments on “The Genuine Basement tapes” knows they’re only half-worked out with dreadful sound quality and print through. Not useable. Not a hard call, so Heylin was wrong. While attributing Band songs to four time zones, he carefully avoids being specific.

As Peter Stone Brown has pointed out, “Aint No More Cane” was in their early live repetoire and “Bessie smith” was covered by the Traums early on, well before it was supposed to have been recorded according to the remasters. Levon devotes time and space in his autobiography to “Ain’t No More Cane” being the song where they first found their blend. Why would he make that up? I believe him. When I bought the official BTS in 1975, it struck me that both “Ain’t No More Cane” and “Bessie Smith” were (a) the best songs (b) the best-recorded songs. This is sometimes seen as indicating they were done later. This is my opinion – no tape boxes to prove it – but I suspect these two songs are the closest to being true Big Pink outtakes, and that’s why the sound is more fully realized. If they went to the trouble to “forge” basement songs, they were certainly capable of going to the trouble to downgrade the sound to get closer to the true basement stuff. Which is why I’d place “Ain’t No more Cane” and “Bessie Smith” as most likely to be genuine artifacts of the era, but right at the end (with Levon). And yes, they all were involved, and if anything, Levon and Richard benefited the most. Levon was reunited with the legend, having been absent for most stuff with Dylan. Richard’s early role as a major songwriter was cemented. And Rick got co-credit on Bessie Smith. So not a Robbie conspiracy but a Band conspiracy. And I loveit.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 21:47:42 CET 2001 from spider-ti082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.212)

Tommy

Concerning the Basement tapes, I feel some of the Dylan songs are kinda silly...like he wrote them with The Band for fun(which is fine indeed!)so they'd have stuff to play. But to put the Band down by saying that the Basement Tapes period of their career was important to them and NOT Dylan is a real slight to their talent.I feel both Dylan and The Band learned from eachother ALOT during this period.I think Dylans music got alot more interesting after playing with The Band...new influences in Dylans style and songwriting.A more rock&roll feeling..and, The Band got more structure, more quiet from playing with Dylan.Does anyone agree?

I'm not huge on the Basement Tapes...Its good for what it is,a historical piece.Like baby photos.The best thing about it is hearing the songs and comparing them with their later-recorded counterparts.You can see the growth.

Well folks, thats all I wrote...gotta get ready for a drunken Birthday bash in my honor tonight...Have a good weekend friends!!!

~Tommy

Posted on Sat Feb 3 21:38:32 CET 2001 from spider-tr011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.176)

Dave & Yolanda (the phone guy)

Feb. 1 at Croce's San Diego

Two sets at a very small club. Ingrid Croce is a very friendly gracious hostess and treated the Barnburners with much generosity. Pat O'Shea using the Gibson ES-350 into original Fender spring reverb then straight into a true vintage blond Fender Twin.(the twin before reverb was invented)The amp w/ the staggered speakers.(you know the two speakers staggered side by side) Chris O'Leary playin' through an old Fender Concert amp.(the vintage concert w/ four ten inch speakers) He's got the Ecostat microphone pugged into a really early analog tape Echoplex.(delay device) Frank Ingrao (that's "a" as in the letter A) miking his Englehar bass through a SWR four ten's bass cabinet. Booby Keyes on the most wonderful toned Tenor. And Levon, in the engine room driving the band like a locomotive on the new smaller "blues" set provided by Yamaha. Great sets of music this night (no set lists, repetoire and sequence comes right now off the top of Chis's head)

Feb. 2 at Coach House San Juan Capisrtano. The group hits the stage and immediately lays into it w/ a vengeance. One long set, great song selection and pacing again by Chris. Levon playin' even STONGER this night! What a show! Amy, wow! So impressive. She's not just a youngster learnin' the ropes. She is already an incredible blues singer. When Amy and Chris team up(which thet do alot sharing verses and teaming on the choruses you think they're going to tear your head off!)

I'll post a more complete song listing in a couple of days but they do gret great song choices in a Barnburners way.(Hound Dog w/ Amy on lead vocals then Chris surprizing the guys quoting a verse of Sonny Boy then Amy back w/ the last verse.Segueing into Mystery Train from another song first.And lots of creative chances like that on what you'd think would be straight blues covers. No! This is Barnburners style folks.

Butch says Paul Bararre and Richie Hayward will be on for tonights L.A. HOB show.

This is an incediblt real and tight tight band that floors me and cuts deep. You gotta love 'em! Thanks to all the gracious and loving people with Levon Helm and the Barnburners, the group. and the faithful fans. Let's get to the next show, everyone involved is ready.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 21:27:45 CET 2001 from regulus.student.uu.se (130.238.5.2)

Tobias Levander

I keep thinking that the eight Band tracks on The Basement Tapes, with some bonus tracks ("Ferdinand the Imposter", for example), should have been released as a separate The Band album, instead of being 'fillers' on what most people think of as a Dylan album. It would have made more sense, chronologically and aestetically, and that hypothetical album would have been a worthy addition to The Band's official output. The Band's songs can certainly stand on their own (and I would not want to live without them). Just my two cents...

Posted on Sat Feb 3 20:45:54 CET 2001 from sdn-ar-001paphilp060.dialsprint.net (168.191.210.44)

Peter Stone Brown

I wouldn't say that Dylan was disinterested in the release of The Basement Tapes at all. For one thing, he did something extremely, rare-- he went on the radio, The Mary Travers Show on CBS Radio to promote it. And no one knew before he announced it that it was coming out. Interestingly enough, the first song he played was not one of his own, but "Yazoo Street Scandal."

As to "Bessie Smith," I doubt what was written in the recent Band remasters as to when the song was written. For one thing it fits in with the stuff being written during the Basement Tapes period. The first released recording of the song was by Happy & Artie Traum on their eponymously titled debut on Capitol Records, under the name "Goin' Down the Road To See Bessie." Unfortunately there is no date on the album, but I recall it came out in 1970 and was probably recorded in 1969.

Concerning the overdubbing of certain songs on the Basement Tapes, I really don't think it matters and again those songs have a certain sound as anyone who has heard the bootleg versions knows. Also The Band itself had a certain sound at that time which they did not have later, making certain things even harder to replicate.

Whether or not the songs were recorded in Big Pink or not also doesn't matter. The songs were from that time period and not all of the Basement Tapes were recorded in the Basement anyway.

Songs such as "Ain't No More Cane" were performed at the Band's very first concerts. The release of the Basement Tapes was a way to get those songs out there and I'm grateful to have them.

Anything Clinton Heylin writes or says is immediately suspect. His basic attitude is that whatever musician he is writing about would have been much better off he had been in charge of their career and had produced their albums.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 20:41:21 CET 2001 from m198214181105.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.105)

Pehr

Rick S.: God bless ya-

the Heylin thread: That guy drives me crazy. Some people are so dry and analyzing they dont experience anything. When I got my copy of "Roulette years" I couldnt listen to anything else for atleast a week, which is what happened the first time I heard the Bt's. After seeing Levon last week I went through old photos of the Hawks days and the essential character of the musicians is there in the oldest of the pics. after my experience, If you didnt love these guys you probably have a hole in the soul. Maybe Heylin is over his head is my opinion, he should study some "singer-songwriter" types and work toward the heavier ones, like Dylan, Garth, the band, etc. just my 2 cents.

Part of the mystique of the Band was their inaccessability- with regards to the BT's they do a service by sweetening the trax for public consumption, but as true cuious afficianados to be it is up to us to dig up ways to find the cool "scholarly" underground stuff.

one of my favorite pictures of Rick is on ROA, kind of in the dark with the fretless bass. I did some drawings of it in high school that I used to get into art college, so some sentimental value- I was happy to see when I got "Times Like These" someone had done a drawing of the same picture and it made the center of the montage. Thereis another real nice picture of him laughing on DFA "Ridin on the Blinds" cd.

My favorite bands all have N in them. NRBQ is one of the greats but they arent american, are they... My favorite american bands are the NBC Orchestra, Nevilles, Booker T and the MGs, (and my band-"Buick Mackane")

Posted on Sat Feb 3 20:41:23 CET 2001 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

A few days ago someone from Germany asked for a review of the Dutch-Band-tribute-Band that's touring these weeks. Unfortunately The W.S. Walcott Medicine Show will not play in my neighbourhood before the end of this month (apart from yesterday evening when I couldn't make it), so my own review would be mosterd na de maaltijd, a.k.a. vijgen na pasen a.k.a. mustard after eating :-)

Is there anyone who can tell us about the first two shows?

Of anders gezegd: wie is er bij geweest en kan er iets over vertellen?

By the way Lil, there's one slice of vlaai left for you ;-)

Posted on Sat Feb 3 19:34:31 CET 2001 from user-33qt8vi.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.242)

Pat Brennan

I think there's two discussions going on here at once concerning the Basement Tapes, once being the source of the Band's material on the Columbia release, the other being the quality of those songs regardless of the source. To me, the second question barely needs an answer, as I--and probably everyone here--love the stuff. The first question really isn't that problematic. Whatever axe Heylin may have to grind, he has proven pretty conclusively that two of the songs are Richard Manuel solo demos with the accompanying instruments added in 1975, two were probably recorded in NY in Sept of 67, two were made after Levon showed up--and thus post Dylan/BT, and two were recorded in 1975 at Shangri-La.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 19:32:00 CET 2001 from du-tele3-131.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.131)

Peter Viney

Clinton Heylin: I think he fails to appreciate the depth of both The Hawks and the Band, and there are contrasting voices. I really don’t know which “good soundboard tapes” he means because the bootlegs (Port Dover and Old Shoes) are fascinating historical documents, severely marred by placing the mic next to a PA speaker rather than in a mid audience position. As a result Richard’s incredible singing is well documented on them, as is the sax work from Jerry Penfound and Garth. Naturally lead guitar cuts through the murk too, but Levon, Rick and Garth are severely curtailed. I can’t think that in 1964 people were actually making “good soundboard tapes” in that a soundboard in modern terms didn’t exist. There’d have been a PA amplifier and probably an echo unit, but (correct me if I’m wrong) the concept of feeding the whole band through a central mixing unit was still a couple of years in the future, and I don’t remember drums utilising mics, let alone the many mics they use today. If you see the latest Van band, he hasn’t been using multiple mics on drums this last year, maybe one or two at most. It’s said that he wants to get back to the sound of drums in the room rather than the heavily-amplified stereo effect drums favoured by most current major acts. Even if tapes were taken straight off the PA amplifier in 1964 (rather than via the atmosphere) you’d only have the signal from the mics, so that there’s only as much bass and drums and organ as leaked into the singer’s mics. By Newport 65 Dylan had the sound mixers out at the back of the audience (rather than the side of the stage) as evidenced in Joe Boyd’s reminiscinces of the (alleged) Seeger incident. When I worked on “variety shows” in 66 and 67 there were mixers for mics for voices and wind instruments and percussion, but the electric instruments relied on their own speakers, which the sound engineer had no control over. Hence the bass player and lead guitarist continually kept turning up. Even as late as 1969, Dinky Dawson (in “Life On the road”) was fascinated to find the Grateful Dead mixing from the back of the hall, and worked out the necessary boosting for Fleetwood Mac to do the same in Europe. The first band I saw mixing from out in the audience was probably Yes, circa 1968 or 1969. The first time I saw total control through the board was The Flying Burrito Brothers (1970? 71?) who were using little Fender amps on stage with a mic in front of each fed into a giant PA, so there was little or no reliance on the direct sound from the instrument amp speakers. Some of the musicians out there can correct me or add information, because the USA was clearly ahead of the UK in this area, where bigger and bigger amps for each instrument were being developed in the mid 60s (enter Marshall and Orange). Anyway, I believe that “good soundboard tapes” and “1964” are a contradiction.

Heylin seems to garner as much anger from Dylan fans as Hoskyns from Band fans. I think his opinion on The Hawks in 1964 has virtually zero validity. He didn’t see them (and nor did I!). Much as Hoskyns never saw The Band in the pre Last Waltz days. Doesn’t stop him describing a concert in detail off the tapes, but tapes from that era are very partial documents. Piano was difficult to record, as you will notice from most Dylan 66 tapes. But you’d have heard it in the hall.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 19:12:35 CET 2001 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.97.241)

Norbert

Rick..........."You'll never walk alone" .............we are with you............

(Ilkka......nice thread ......we'll work it out someday.......ok?)

Posted on Sat Feb 3 18:54:47 CET 2001 from modem141.de-tc01b.delanet.com (216.226.85.141)

bassmanlee

Found this site on a search for Band lyrics and chords. Looking to add a Band cover to my own goups's repertoire. I don't write, so all the songs I sing have to be covers. I've done "When I Paint My Masterpiece" (yeah, it's really a Dylan song) on guitar, but in the group I want to stay on bass. We've no drummer, so if I play guitar it sounds "off" compared to the rest. Also our lead man won't do Masterpice because it's overdone.

I've tried to take a stab at "Acadian Driftwood", but the chords are pretty tough and searching for TAB has been unsuccessful. "Saga of Pepote Rouge" is a nice more obscure tune, but is mostly a piano song and I can't figure out how to make anything out of it on guitar. So I'm looking for suggestions from this great group of Band-o-maniacs on this very impressive site for songs that might work.

Our group (named "Railroad Pete" - there's a Woody Guthrie connection there if you can find it) consists of a acoustic guitar/rhythm mandolin, a lead acoustic guitar/dobro(!), myself on electric bass guitar, and a female mostly harmony vocalist. We can do decent 3-part harmonies and all our stuff, originals and covers, is in a roots-country vein.

I'd appreciate any input.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 18:16:22 CET 2001 from regulus.student.uu.se (130.238.5.2)

Tobias Levander

I forgot to mention that the paragraph about the early Hawks I quoted in my previous post is taken from Heylin's brand new Dylan biography "Bob Dylan: Behind the Shades - Take Two". Clinton Heylin is very opinionated in everything he writes, something many Dylan fans can't stand. However, in my humble opinion, his books are well worth reading.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 18:03:07 CET 2001 from regulus.student.uu.se (130.238.5.2)

Tobias Levander

MattK, this is what Heylin writes about the early Hawks: "In truth, and with the ample evidence of good soundboard tapes from Texas and Arkansas in late '64, Levon and the Hawks were a bar band of unassuming ambition, playing standard fare without flash or fire. Robertson's lead-guitar work, copped largely from the mercurial Roy Buchanan (a brief resident of Hawkin's combo) rarely peeked above the parapet, and it was usually left to Richard Manuel's showstopping vocal tour de force, 'Georgia on My Mind', to ratchet things up a gear."

Posted on Sat Feb 3 17:44:40 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

MattK: Heylin's interpretation of the songs on "'The Basement Tapes"

"Though revealing in their own right, the Band tracks only pollute the official set and reduce its stature. Dylan's songs, fully sprung from his reactivated muse, are the work of an artist at the pinnacle of his powers. The Band's songs are signposts along the way, notes detailing the search for an independent voice so magically realized on "Music From Big Pink". No more, no less. The ispiration of those sessions in the summer of 1967 would stay with the Band a long time. For Dylan, they were merely a way of moving on, songs discarded after he passed them to Dwarf Music (Bob Dylan has said, "Well,[they were] done out in somebody's basement. They weren't demos for myself, they were [just] demos of the songs. I was being PUSHED again into coming up with some songs"). The Band took their fair share of the fifteen Dylan songs lodged with Dwarf Music between September 1967 and January 1968 (perhaps Dylan wrote them all along for the Band to cherry pick from, unaware of the songwriting they were capable of themselves)."

Posted on Sat Feb 3 16:34:56 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt4-c3-66-30-24-158.maine.rr.com (66.30.24.158)

MattK

Pat, admittedly I've not read any of the Clinton Heylin books on Dylan. I've read some pretty low opinions regarding him in both The Band and Dylan newsgroups, however. Please correct me, but it sounds (from the descriptions) that Heylin has some kind of axe to grind with The Band to begin with.

I believe the specific paraphrase was that Heylin portray's The Hawks as a "middle-of-the-road bar band" that was "unambitous" and who HAD to back Dylan, because without him, their music was "boring"

Posted on Sat Feb 3 15:42:39 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.183)

Mike

"Mike, the Columbia Basement Tapes album came out in June of 1975, which was a year and a half after Planet Waves and six months after Blood On The Tracks. Dylan was uninterested for reasons other than his relationship with Columbia which had already been re-cemented." I was saying that the timeframe prior to the album's release, when it was being pulled together (which, considering the mountain of available material) probably went back to before Bob went back to Columbia. Totally speculation on my part. Considering, there was alot of things being worked on at once "Before The Flood" album, Basement Tapes album, Band projects (NLSC, followup live gigs), Clapton album, Ronnie Wood album, etc. With so much going on, who knows, other than those involved, exactly what the timeframe for the work on which project was?

Posted on Sat Feb 3 14:33:07 CET 2001 from hvc-24-164-175-110.hvc.rr.com (24.164.175.110)

Redhouse Roy

Non-Band post: I just saw Martin Sexton last night in Woodstock @ The Bearsville Theatre, he was fantastic, if he hits your area, check him out... His eclectic style and songs are unique to this boyband corporate Pepsi age of non-musical nothingness.How a "folkie" can chart on alternative rock radio is commendable. A couple of times, his voice definatley channeled Rick's twang and style. He even summoned "Woodstock's Angels" to sing backup as Rick did so many times at this venue. Weird to be standing in the room and feeling that vibe, knowing so many played this theatre and that are now too soon gone.::::::: Roy

Posted on Sat Feb 3 13:32:56 CET 2001 from dialup-274.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.18)

Hank

Well, I been away, y'know, for a coupla days.....it's always a blast to catch up with The GB......

BONES.....you wrote something about RR having Dylans ear around the time of Planet Waves BTF et al.....no doubt that RR DID have Dylans attention but there's a story that may or may not have appeared here before on The GB concerning Planet Waves....apparently, RR pulled the recording engineer aside and said something like "I'm gonna suggest things to do from time to time but I'm gonna suggest them to YOU (ie the recording engineer)....'cos if I suggest 'em to Bob, he won't do it"........that's very loosely quoted there folks.....but it sez alot about Bob and RR and their relationship........They BOTH have a point, tho'.....I can understand Bob not wanting his album to sound like a Band album.....even tho' he was recording with The Band....and I can understand how RR would be sussed on how to work with Bob.......

All this talk about the authenticity of The Basement Tapes......I dunno..... my Dad bought that for us both to listen to when I was 12 in 1975......it looked and sounded great.......it STILL looks good and sounds great.....unlike, say Gary Glitter or The Partridge Family or The Bay City Rollers, who were also around at that time......and who I would NOT listen to now.......(but since there's a vague Michael Jackson thread weaving thru the GB, lemme just say that " I Want You Back " still kicks when you hear it today. It's a shame what happened to Michael Jackson.......same as Elvis, really......eaten up by Fame and possesed by a truly malevolent spirit which literally disfigured him).........anywho, I'm just trying to say that the BTs sound great REGARDLESS of their sources......y'see, THESE days, with all the info and info-as-hype that's available...if an album comes out....there's a "making of the album" docu-drama, across the board interviews worldwide and CONSTANT up-dates on how it's all going.....back THEN, there really was'nt so much of that, a little perhaps, but NOT so much as to COMPLETELY blow the mystique of a thing....the thing being, in this case, a complete new album by Bob Dylan and The Band made up of out-takes and "lost" tracks.....aka The Basement Tapes......I dunno if I'm making ANY sense to y'all here.....but there ya go.......

In fairness to John Lennon, CRABBY and BAYOU SAM, he DID stop making music for five years '75-'80........the latest accounts of those years are not as rosy as Lennon woulda had us believe (a la Playboy).......but that's OK......he refrained from making music, being contracted and being product.......not unlike RR, actually, who stopped when he felt he had nothing more to say........ Then, when Lennon felt he HAD something to say again........he said it............."Starting Over" is not "Yer Blues" to be sure, but it IS what it sez....just like starting over...after five years of musical inactivity.....yeah, sure, a bit twee and homey......but pure Lennon......very honest, he WAS starting over..... whether YOU like it or not.......w/ regards to Yoko Ono, I dunno........... I can never figure whether or not he truly loved her because she reminded him of his eccentric mother OR...because being John Lennon in 1966-69 meant EVERY freak and weirdo and wacko was gonna approach you and now HERE is a woman who could outweird them all and offer protection............y'know I think John Lennon was an AMAZING guy...singer-songwriter artist supreme....no doubt.....but Goldmans book on him, "The Lives of John Lennon", despite the fruity prose, reveals much about Lennon and Yoko Ono......not too pretty.....not unlike the aforementioned Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley.....it just seems that when someone is as blessed with talent as these men were, the demons sent to torment them are HEAVYWEIGHT demons..........not unlike The Band, either, I might add.....or Billie Holiday or Jeff Buckley, Jimi Hendrix or Brian Jones or........you choose.........

Glad to see a "Back To Memphis" debate going down.......OK OK so there's a few sources for the tune.....but does anyone here know if they REALLY did start the gig at Watkins Glen with that? Like, was ANYONE from The GB actually THERE, not too zonked out stoned and can you remember for sure?.......it sounds like a great way to follow The Dead when yer faced with over half a million people out front and promoter Bill Graham behind you

The Best Band in America?.......The Red Hot Chilli Peppers........I would wager not a single band in America would take 'em on.....not Areosmith, not The Black Crowes, not Limp Bizkit, not Michael Jackson, not even The Fun Lovin' Criminals.............. The Red Hot Chilli Peppers are a seriously great band..........

Posted on Sat Feb 3 13:37:19 CET 2001 from 1cust76.tnt17.norwalk.ct.da.uu.net (63.62.4.76)

KingWhistle

Under the broad title of greatest American rock n roll band working today, I'd like to respectfully offer Marah. Don't know if you have discussed them before in the GB, but they've got it all: good writing, incisive playing, that impossible to define team/band vibe. Saw them at the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, MA and they were even switching instruments (a la guess who) mid song! Both of their albums take a minute to get under your skin, but look out when they do.

Anyway, that's my rant, that's my vote and, as always, thanks to those who make this such an interesting board to lurk compulsively.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 12:17:02 CET 2001 from grmn-105ppp47.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.47)

Diamond Lil

First amd most importantly, thoughts and prayers for Rick and Pat. Your 'other' family here wishes you both the best.

Dr. Pepper ("the joy of every boy and girl..." :-) Hi! Your question about A photo of Rick is a good one, but certainly not an easy one. I don't think I'd choose anything before '74...and I don't think I'd choose anything from TLW..simply because it was pretty much "staged"..and not 'typical' Rick. If I could choose however, I think I'd pick something post LW, something perhaps from the early 80's. Rick in his element and having fun. I don't know when the cover pic of "Times Like These" was taken, but I like it alot. _That_ was the performing Rick...bass in hand...a biiiig ol smile on his face...doing what he loved to do. If I couldn't choose one like that..I'd choose a close-up, at the mic.

Now, for a personal preference and not music related, I'd choose a photo of the "everyday" Rick...especially one wearing his glasses, which he rarely ever wore performing. I think he looked great in them personally. But then..there is something about a man wearing glasses that to me, brings out the attractiveness...

Hmm...I digress yet again. Glad I could be of probably no help what-so-ever :-) Whatever photo you choose though, as long as it captures the essence of the man..the smile..it'll be something to cherish forever.

Whew! Time for me to shut up (put your fingers back on your keyboard and stop applauding! :-)

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 09:26:53 CET 2001 from cache-hki-5.inet.fi (194.197.68.45)

Kalervo

The best two American bands are the Band and Beach Boys. Snobbish intellectualism (I think the real intellectualism isn' t narrow attitudes) may put BB down but when it comes to the art of the song-making you can' t find a better band. Of course the bands with lesser talents will get recognition because they are ROCK and have the street credibility, but it is nothing to do with music......... But there are so many fine American bands more: Neville Brothers, Pixies, WOR, Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, REM, The Byrds, Rascals, Lovin' Spoonful, the Ramones, Asleep At The Wheel, Alpha Band etc....... I thank you for those new names for that best Band-influenced artists/ bands. Peter especially...Son Volt and Ryan Adams are very interesting..

Posted on Sat Feb 3 08:01:13 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tb083.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.58)

Bayou Sam

Crabgrass rules!

Posted on Sat Feb 3 07:55:16 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tb083.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.58)

Bayou Sam

Rick S. = ...you got it. God Bless.....hang in there.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 06:47:53 CET 2001 from spider-wo043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.38)

Donna

MIWA: You brought a huge grin to the face of a very cute 9 year old boy tonight. Thank you for your thoughtful post!

Rick S: Our thoughts and prayers are with your wife on Tuesday. It's times like these, that give us strength and appreciation for our positive outlook towards our future.

Looking forward to seeing The Gurus, on March 3rd. It will be my first time seeing these talented guys play. Anyone one else going to that show?

Wishing everyone a wonderful weekend!

Posted on Sat Feb 3 06:40:15 CET 2001 from user-33qt8tn.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.163.183)

Pat Brennan

Mike, the Columbia Basement Tapes album came out in June of 1975, which was a year and a half after Planet Waves and six months after Blood On The Tracks. Dylan was uninterested for reasons other than his relationship with Columbia which had already been re-cemented.

For those of you interested, Clinton Heylin in his Bob Dylan:The Recording Sessions does a cutting job on why the Band songs on the Columbia release simply should not be there. His argument is not only difficult to counter, the presence of Bessie Smith on one of the re-releases adds further weight to it.

Rick, we are all ther with you. Hang in.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 05:08:58 CET 2001 from proxy-1481.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.221.75)

Bill W.

The All Starr Band VHS with Rick and Levon just sold for $5.55 on Ebay!!

Bayou Sam: For someone who claims to not overdo things, you do nothing but. I would LOVE to hear you offer up ANYTHING about the Band that you know, feel, etc. Crabbgrass has you pegged but good.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 04:45:39 CET 2001 from spider-we051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.41)

Bayou Sam

Crabby - I don't want to drive this into the ground, but I was just taking exception to your calling it "gall", that John wanted to do music along with Yoko. I don't cry over his death any more either. It does make me angry and sad when I think too hard about what happened. I listen to his music to feel good.. As far as his post Beatle work - I have it all, and know it well, and I think there is alot of fine, quality music to be heard. You feel the opposite - that's what makes us human though isn't it?

I always took the Basement tapes as The Band and Dylan captured in a raw, unrehearsed environment, creating great music - warts and all. If I find out that the recordings were "fixed-up" later, it would take something away from it for me. I could see a concert recording where there was something badly out of tune or feedback, or some other such problem. But TBT is all about the "bare-bones" feeling.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 02:51:53 CET 2001 from syr-24-24-5-34.twcny.rr.com (24.24.5.34)

Dr Pepper

If you had the choice of picking a photo of Rick that would be painted and "immortalized" (to use Rick's words) what photo would it be? I appreciate your comments...I am thinking along the lines of the Last Waltz (yeah I know what you are thinking Levon!)..Serge...maybe you can help me with this...George, I'd ask you for your help but Rick didnt like the way he looked at that point in his life. (But you should give me a call anyways). This is regarding a piece or art that might be in the Smithsonian, PBS, or at least talked about on "As It happens" Boy those Giants were only about 12 plays away!!! But I missed all the commercials!

Posted on Sat Feb 3 02:16:08 CET 2001 from 64-208-194-219.nas3.mon.gblx.net (64.208.194.219)

Lars

RICK: Thinking about your situation tonight, I offer you a quote from Levon: "Stay strong." Hope it turns out all right for you and your wife.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 01:13:41 CET 2001 from spider-we062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.47)

Mike

When discussing the production/preparation/compilation of the Basement Tapes, you have to also look at the timeframe. This was right around the time Dylan had left Columbia to work with David Geffen, so who knows what Bob's relationship was with the label

Posted on Sat Feb 3 00:36:32 CET 2001 from user-33qtan7.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.170.231)

Pat Brennan

Carmen, although RR produced the BT release, I didn't mean to appear to blame him entirely. Everyone in the group redid parts for the record.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 00:32:19 CET 2001 from user-33qtan7.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.170.231)

Pat Brennan

Bones, in at least one case they added a sax to a song that didn't have it on the original BT version. At least two songs were completely redone, probably in 1975. I believe two of the songs existed as Richard solo on voice and piano, with full backing tracks added in 1975. Dylan supposedly had almost nothing to do with the Columbia release. It shows, as Dylan's material has few if any additions. Cleaning up the tracks is one thing, but what they did was something else. The act itself is no big deal if they simply explain it.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 00:05:06 CET 2001 from du-tele3-013.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.13)

Peter Viney

Fixing up: anyone who thinks live albums aren’t fixed up is surely naïve. In fact nowadays, I’m assured that most live concert performances (in halls rather than bars!) are “digitally enhanced” in that a program can run along with the vocal and cut in wherever it gets hard to hit the notes. The “dancing singers” (Jackson, Madonna) have had no alternative – you can do a high power routine OR a high power vocal, but you can’t do both. The non-dancing ones joined them years ago for convenience. So, I don’t think the issue with the Basement Tapes or Watkins Glen is fixing up. As Pat has pointed out, the issue is the deliberately wrong attribution of the basic tracks, i.e. before they were fixed up. For me, The Last Waltz isn’t an issue. I’d call the fixing up on that perfectionism or professionalism. At least SOME of the performance was on the night. Watkins Glen is different. It’s like those cheapo compilations called something like “SONGS INSPIRED BY THE FILM … fill in the blank” which is an excuse to put in stuff from several years either side of the film. Or in the case of Watkins Glen, the event. Love the music, but read Pat’s article on the site. They didn’t even bother to check whether versions of those songs were played at Watkins Glen.

Posted on Sat Feb 3 00:05:18 CET 2001 from (205.173.143.35)

dd

G-Man - levon only playing drums? i was under the impression he wasn't able to do much singing these days :(

Posted on Fri Feb 2 23:45:06 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-tg011.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.151)

Rick S.

If anyone feels so inclined, I'd appreciate if you could say a prayer for my wife Pat. She's tolerated this avid Band fan for years and she's a huge fan of the Gurus and the Crowmatix. On Tuesday, she's undergoing surgery in Nyack, NY (Rockland Co.) She's very positive about all of this. If you're ever fortunate to meet her I guarantee she'll brighten your day. I love her very much.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 22:45:01 CET 2001 from ool-18b873fd.dyn.optonline.net (24.184.115.253)

Jim

I just got back online (computer trouble) . Just wanted to say i recently listened to Rick's "Times Like These " & it was GREAT. Jim .

Posted on Fri Feb 2 22:35:03 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.171)

David Powell

Here's a "Rock of Ages" meets "Mad Dogs And Englishmen" thread for you: Roger Tillison's excellent self-titled album (released in 1971) contains covers of three songs from the upcoming "ROA" reissue, "Get Up Jake", "Down In The Flood" and "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever". Back-up musicians on Roger's album included Mad Dogs Jim Keltner, Don Preston, Joey Cooper & Sandy Konikoff, along with the late greats Jesse Ed Davis and Stan Szelest, former keyboardist with The Band.

dd: Get ready for some great down & dirty, gut bucket blues and R&B when the Barn Burners come to your town. Put on your dancing shoes.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 22:32:22 CET 2001 from 33.82.231.rrcentralflorida.cfl.rr.com (65.33.82.231)

matt

great site! Easy to find music.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 21:25:42 CET 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Jesse: Just about everybody here would agree that the Band is tops, but we're careful not to call them "the greatest American band" - recognising that only one of them is from the US.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 22:07:19 CET 2001 from spider-te072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.207)

Tommy

(oof...Im in a bad way after last night...can anyone say "hangover"(not too loud though).

anyway, thanks for the Carney info people, Im getting a new cd player REAL soon, so I'll listen to the album then...

~Tommy

Posted on Fri Feb 2 21:01:50 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

DD-when ya see em, ya won't believe it!! Like goin over Niagara Falls in a barrel!! That darn good!! Super Blues and fantastic people!! Man what a show!!

Posted on Fri Feb 2 20:21:43 CET 2001 from (205.173.143.35)

dd

going to see levon this weekend .. i haven't seen reviews from earlier shows .. can anybody tell me whats in store?

Posted on Fri Feb 2 20:18:34 CET 2001 from ptldme-cmt1-c4-s-63-167-214-224.maine.rr.com (63.167.214.224)

jesse richter

The band was a collossal influence in my life, since the age of ten, when I would fall asleep, EVERY night to their second album. I had the oppurtunity to get rick dankos autograph in 1992, and consider it one of my most prized possesions. In my opinion, The greatest American Rock band of all time.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 19:39:54 CET 2001 from (208.218.212.171)

David Powell

"If you want a taste of madness, you'll have to wait in line
You'll probably see someone you know on heartattack & vine."

Here's some interesting news about a musical collaboration -- Bluesman John Hammond's upcoming release, "Wicked Grin" (out next month) will feature songs by Tom Waits, who also produced the album.

Hank: The Reagan / Lennon story is true. It seems Gov. Reagan was no stranger to the world of rock 'n roll. His free-spirited daughter, Patti, once made music, so to speak, with Bernie Leadon (he of Flying Burrito Bros. and Eagles fame). Lauren: I was only kidding -- everyone knows it was Robertson's pal Scorsese who fueled Hinckley's infatuation with Jodie Foster in "Taxi Driver". By the way, be careful about using the word "fluff", especially in the context of the world of Hollywood.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 19:29:17 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Personally, I have no problem with the "fixing up" of tracks. Columbia, Robbie and possibly even Dylan were concerned about the poor sound quality of the Basement Tapes. It's a valid concern, and I don't have a problem if they don't tell us in the liner notes where or when each instrument was recorded. Also, remember that the Band and Dylan got a lot of milage off of not divulging information about themselves. I don't find it dishonest at all.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 16:24:35 CET 2001 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

03/03/01--Jim Weider, Rando, Malc, and Jeremy at the Turning Point!!! How bout a MASS mtg. of GBers to support the CREW????

Posted on Fri Feb 2 15:34:04 CET 2001 from spider-tj052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.197)

Rick Smith

So I take out this morning's paper, ears still tingling from last week's Barn Burners' concert in Dallas, and I see that a group called the "Song Dogs" are scheduled to play Blue Cat Blues on March 15. Oh, and by the way, the band apparently features a member named Levon Helm. What's up with that!?? Am I really going to be able to see Levon twice in a 2-month span? Is this true? And who are these Song Dogs anyway? Anyone????

Posted on Fri Feb 2 13:23:50 CET 2001 from c5300-1-ip4.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.224.4)

miwa

To Bryan in Pennsylvania:

~HOPE YOU HAVE A VERY HAPPY 9th BIRTHDAY!!!~

Posted on Fri Feb 2 13:05:29 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Ilkka: When I realized that "Mad Dogs And Englishman" was produced by Denny Cordell and Leon Russell for "Tarantula" Productions Limited I thought the same thing about the "spiders" connection too! I guess great minds think alike, huh? I love when Leon begins "Cry Me A River" with his energetic piano playing and then gives the count down at the end of the song....... everyone associated with this project was at their best!

By the way, not only is there a Dylan connection with Bowie and his Spiders From Mars concerning "Song For Bob Dylan" on Bowie's "Hunky Dory" but what about "Queen Bitch" being about the one and only Mr. New York Louuuuuuu Reed? Did you see on film Bowie and Louuuuu singing "Queen Bitch" together for Bowie's 50th Birthday party at Madison Square Gardens? Lou has this mischievous smile throughout the song because he knows and we know........

Another quote for you Ilkka: "The philosophers have only INTERPRETED the world in various ways, the point however is to CHANGE it!"

Posted on Fri Feb 2 12:49:48 CET 2001 from 225.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net (12.78.212.225)

carmen

PAT- I here what you are saying and tend to agree. I just don't think that only RR can be blamed for the Basemant Tape untruths. Lets face it, Richard and Rick also made sonwriting royalities from TBT's and I am sure they were not turned away.

I can't wait to here Richard singing Rocking Chair on the ROA release!

Happy Friday and Best Regards!

Posted on Fri Feb 2 10:52:18 CET 2001 from du25-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.25)

Ilkka

Thread: MAD DOGS AND ENGLISHMEN
To Brown Eyed Girl. The album was produced (by DC and LR) for Tarantula Productions - a lot of spyders don't you think. Just a coincidence? BTW There is a very masculine version of "Girl From The North Country" on this album.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 07:17:53 CET 2001 from host-209-214-116-127.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.116.127)

BWNWITennessee

I haven't bought any of the reissues - can't afford to, and it's the labels' way of selling the same thing to the same people twice, because of some B-grade filler tacked on - but I might actually get ROA, because it looks like it would be basically a new live Band album. But who wants to wager that "Loving You," "I Shall Be Released," "Cripple Creek," "The Rumor" and "Time to Kill" are the same recordings as Watkins Glen? Okay, so we get "Rocking Chair" and some Dylan tunes. Maybe I won't buy it after all. Though I do want to hear "Masterpiece" live.

Did y'all see Jerri swallow that raw worm tonight? Oh, my.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 05:47:01 CET 2001 from 1cust247.tnt6.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.11.190.247)

Crabgrass

I also think that John Lennon gave us a TON of wonderful music before leaving the Beatles - it's the TON of mediocre stuff which came afterward that I was complaining about. John has been dead for over 20 years - the handkerchief I cried in after hearing he got shot is now dry. I didn't notice anyone leaping to defend his post-Beatle music as monumental but maybe the excitement over the remaining Band re-masters got in the way. Most of his post-Beatle stuff is insipid, self-centered, and downright boring.

Madonna and Michael Jackson's longevity in the music industry is not the result of talent, worth, or ability but rather of massive image driven marketing aka "hype." Jackson's people are masters of repackaging to boot. Madonna with her Nudie Revue and metal bra and Michael "The Gloved One" with his moonwalk and private parts stroking - gimme a break!!

Posted on Fri Feb 2 05:41:17 CET 2001 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

The drummers on Joe Cocker's "Mad Dogs And Englishmen" were Jim Gordon, Jim Keltner and Chuck Blackwell on drums and percussion. Sandy Konikoff played percussion, Bobby Keys tenor sax and Leon Russell played piano and guitar. The concert was recorded at the Fillmore East, New York on March 27-28, 1970. The only thing I don't remember about the film of this concert is Leon playing guitar........

Posted on Fri Feb 2 05:22:58 CET 2001 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

TOMMY THE PLAYERS ON LEON RUSSELL'S CARNEY ARE:

Chuck Blackwell, Drums.....Joey Cooper, Guitar & Vocal.... John Gallie, Keyboards......Jim Keltner, Bass........Carl Radle, Bass......Don Preston, Guitar & Vocals and of course Leon on Bass & Keyboards & Lead Vocals. I'm dubious about the Keltner bass thing; but he may have. I've only heard of him playing drums.

Hey if Levon can play Drums, Mandolin, Bass & Guitar.....why not?

Posted on Fri Feb 2 04:42:16 CET 2001 from 961029.ahml.lib.il.us (38.231.168.122)

Osceola

Does anyone know when the rest of the remasters are coming out or if/when the Last Waltz will be reissued/make it to DVD?

Posted on Fri Feb 2 01:32:04 CET 2001 from dialin-97-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.97)

Bill

I'm happy to see the fans out West are enjoying the Barn Burners.To see a band like this in a night club atmosphere is a joy and a privilege. Levon is a master at what he does and as usual he surrounds himself with equally great musicians. One of which is his daughter Amy whos singing adds a nice diversity to the band. After seeing the Barn Burners at Joyous Lake and other New York clubs I'm always impressed to see how genuinely friendly Levon is and how much he goes out of his way for his fans. He's also lucky to have a guy like Butch looking after him. So enjoy the show if its coming to your area because thats what I'll be doing when their back in New York.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 01:02:20 CET 2001 from user-33qta76.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.168.230)

Pat Brennan

Ahh, the Basement Tapes. This one will go on forever, but it is true that many fans find the overdubbing and the re-recording to be kind of dishonest. Especially since no reference of it is made in the rather extensive liner notes. Especially since some of the overdubs made group songs out of what were essentially Richard Manuel demos. If you say something was recorded at a certain time on a certain date, then that info should be true, shouldn't it? Especially something with the historical significance of The Basement Tapes. For those interested, there was quite a long discussion of this topic in the Guestbook a while ago. Anyone got the dates?

Posted on Fri Feb 2 00:38:37 CET 2001 from ppp-208-190-158-243.dialup.austtx.swbell.net (208.190.158.243)

Tom

As one who regularly reads but seldom posts to the Guestbook, I was pleased to come across Mike Carrico’s post (Wed Jan 31) regarding Aerosmith’s opening for the Band at the Capital Center near Washington D.C. I can’t remember, ‘74 or 75...think it was ‘74. What Mike told of certain fans “displeasure” is absolutely true! I too was there...with a bunch of friends who were also great fans and admirers of the Band. First of all, we were shocked that ANYONE was opening...we has seen the Band in ‘70 and ‘71 in Columbia, Md.; both times they played two sets w/ no opening act. So, as Mike mentioned, here comes some opener called Aerosmith with the fog machine, along with the spandex and scarves, etc. They were incredibly loud and unbelievably (to us) BAD!! Anyway, me and my friends (about eight of us), after each Aerosmith song mercifully ended, would yell at the top of our lungs “THE BAAAANNNDDD!!!!!” After a few more songs, we were really polished; we ‘d get together and count off, “OK, ready, one, two, three..THE BAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNDDDD!!!!!!” Loud as we could!! Well, Mike, I don’t remember what the drummer did, but their sorry-ass lead singer (yeah, I know he’s more famous then Richard Manuel; ain’t no justice) was HIGHLY pissed off...I swear this is true: at the end of their set, he came down into the crowd, ranting around like he wanted to find out who and where we were. He wasn’t successful. Well, it gets better...cause the Band comes out, and they started with Garth doing this amazing tenor sax solo that led into “Just Another Whistle Stop”. Hawks music! What a night... Jan, thanks always for keeping these pages going. Next month it’ll be five years since I discovered this site...time flies. Butch, hope you’ll post as the BB tour progresses; you are the best reason to read the Guestbook. Adela, thanks for the Gruene Hall review, I shoulda made it.

Posted on Fri Feb 2 00:38:34 CET 2001 from spider-tj043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.193)

Austin Farley

I heard Levon on Rock 103 in Memphis the other day and just realized what a small world it really is. Marvell AR is named after one of my relative (Marvell Carruth) and I am sure he went to school with my Grandmother,her brothers and sisters. I just wanted to relate what a small world and that you can be from a small town and still kick ass!

Posted on Thu Feb 1 23:14:38 CET 2001 from dialin-25.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.56)

Gene

Bill - Could the 'John' on organ be John Simon? He has a piano credit on the 1970 Eric Clapton self-titled solo album.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 23:12:03 CET 2001 from spider-ta072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.77)

Bayou Sam

WS Walcott = I guess when I suggest the Beach Boys as a top US band, I'm thinking more of Brian Wilson, who I think is a musical genius with a fascinating story. I'd love to see Brian and Garth spend some time together in a studio. They would either think that one another was strange - or they would produce something amazing.

Crabby = I can't believe you mentioned George Harrison. I was never going to bring him up again :-) ... Seriously though - I am not a fan of Yoko's screeching by any stretch of the imagination, but what right do you or any of us have to say that John had the "gall" to "let" her sing half of the songs on an album. I've just been reading about this in the re-print of the huge interview he did for Playboy about two months before he was cold bloodedly murdered. He gave us a TON of wonderful music before he left The Beatles and met Yoko and moved on in his life and music. Any fans who frown on John for not cranking out Beatles music until the day he died are the ones with the gall.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 23:07:57 CET 2001 from du-tele3-006.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.6)

Peter Viney

Bumbles: you have my eternal gratitude. Just ordered Louisiana's Leroux 25th Anniversary Collection + a NEW album from 1999 or 2000. Fantastic!

Posted on Thu Feb 1 23:03:12 CET 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Gene/Tommy: Chuck would be Blackwell. I believe that Blackwell, Keltner and ex-Hawk Sandy Konikoff were the drummers in Joe Cocker's Mad Dogs and Englishmen.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 22:41:10 CET 2001 from dialin-25.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.56)

Gene

Whilst rummaging through my lps, I saw a very nice Bobby Keys photo on the back of Eric Clapton's 1970 self-titled solo album.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 22:32:49 CET 2001 from mnmed.org (208.47.74.133)

Gentleman Joe again

One point I'd like to add.

I'm willing to give Robbie, who was the official compiler (if I remember correctly) of the Basement Tapes, a lot of room in selection tracks.

Does a "Basement" song really have to be recorded in the physical building of Big Pink to count? (If so, that raises a number of questions about the tracks that could have been recorded at Dylan's house in spring 1967 -- Clinton Heylin's Recording Sessions).

Like Hoskyns, I feel that the Band's tracks fit comfortably on there.

It's a good question to ask Robbie why he opted to include 8 Band songs versus including more Dylan stuff.

Overdubs are OK too. It's important to realize that Robbie's attitude seems to be that he doesn't treat these like historial artifacts. These are just tunes that fixed up for release.

The only exception I might say is anything completely recorded in the '70s. Which one's were those: Bessie Smith? Ain't No More Cane?

My thinking is that things should be stated as they are.

Another question: What is the source of the story that Danko said he was only joking when he said they recorded all the blues songs in Gold Star Studios during the Big Pink era?

Posted on Thu Feb 1 22:31:35 CET 2001 from dialin-25.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.15.56)

Gene

According to an insert in the Carney album, "Bass, Carl/Drums,Chuck & Jim Keltner/Guitars,Don & Joey/Organ,John/Background Voices:Patrick,Phyllis, Mary Anne, Wacy, Don & Joey"

Don Preston has a co-composition credit for "Acid Annapolis" so my guess is that he is the 'Don' for guitars and 'background voices'. No other last names are provided. I'm gonna guess Carl Radle for bass

Posted on Thu Feb 1 22:15:21 CET 2001 from spider-ta011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.46)

Tommy

Well, its my birthday. My brother gave me more CDs...Leon Russel's 'Carney' and the Boss' 'Nebraska', but, there is a problem...MY CD PLAYER IS BROKEN!!!! Curses! I shoulda asked for a new one for my birthday I guess.

anyone here know who plays on 'Carney'? The cd booklet isn't very informative...

Posted on Thu Feb 1 20:40:13 CET 2001 from akcf2.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.200)

Rod

Wow, the ROA and Moondog reissues look incredible and the other two look interesting as well (NLSC is back to the original playing order and hopefully they will spell Richard's name right this time).I will stop going on about Memphis but what's going on with Endless Highway. Is this another studio version or was it added so that RR got some song writing royalties out of this album?

Posted on Thu Feb 1 20:34:03 CET 2001 from hoxt-3e36a05a.pool.mediaways.net (62.54.160.90)

Reinhard

If there are some people from Holland reading this who saw one of the W.S. Walcott Medicine Show gigs that the band plays throughout February I´d highly appreciate some info and feedback. I am thinking of going, but it is a long drive and I´d be interested to see if it is worthwhile. Thanks.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 20:32:59 CET 2001 from (199.44.161.72)

Brent

Bones: I think lots of folks have found fault with Robbie's handling of the Basement Tapes. How can you justify including tracks that were clearly *not* part of the Basement sessions? I read somewhere (Marcus?) that it could be construed as Robbie trying to make it appear that the Band's contribution was greater than it was. Of course, we know that their contribution was immense, but I still don't think it really makes sense to include those tracks on the official release when there are several gems that didn't make it.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 20:24:20 CET 2001 from casual.nextlink.net (208.234.219.172)

Mike

Quote from the reissue of ROA from the web page listed a few posts back: "...``Islands,'' ``Moondog Matinee,'' ``Northern Lights-Southern Cross'' and ``Rock Of Ages'' have all been remastered and repackaged under the supervision of the three surviving members: Levon Helm, Garth Hudson and Robbie Robertson."

Question: How much involvement has there been from Levon and Garth? I thought very little. Anyone know any of the details of the re-mixes for sure? Don't mean to start any more fued stuff. I 'm just wondering. The reading of the liner notes of Pink and the Brown album seem to show it's pretty much RR's deal.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 20:17:56 CET 2001 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Markku: Thanks for answering my post. I have the Jesse James cd, but I didn't know whether I should pick up a new copy just for that one extra track. Is it worth it?

Are you kidding me?? We are now finding fault with Robbie's handling of the Basement Tapes and the Reissues?? Why do you think Robbie was the only member of the Band to handle some of the mixing/producing duties for Planet Waves, Before The Flood, and, yes, Basement Tapes? It is because, at that time, Robbie had Dylan's ear and trust when it came to music, and the result is some of the best music I've ever heard.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 19:35:41 CET 2001 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Best US group: Spirit. Their connection to the Band: Randy California played in the Blue Flames with Hendrix, as did John Hammond. And Ed Cassidy was in the Rising Sons with Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 19:29:04 CET 2001 from (38.161.244.20)

tiny

G. Joe - an even bigger question is why JRR tried to pass off those recordings as part of the basement sessions, at the expense of some great material that could have been included.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 19:14:01 CET 2001 from (38.161.244.20)

Tiny

Standing by the well

Wishing for the rain

Reaching for the clouds

For nothing else remains

Posted on Thu Feb 1 19:14:20 CET 2001 from gateway.beantown-ny.com (204.143.235.166)

Brien Sz

Hey! i was just thinkin' -- Aerosmith is America's Rolling Stones--Lots of hits and they've been around forever!

My vote for best American band right now is The Black Crowes

Posted on Thu Feb 1 18:28:37 CET 2001 from ukscsys.soundcraft.com (195.217.233.205)

DJMitchison

The reissues look tremendous, but has anyone any idea why the running order for NLSC has been changed? Is this a typo, or an executive decision?

Posted on Thu Feb 1 18:07:37 CET 2001 from mnmed.org (208.47.74.133)

Gentleman Joe

The big question I have is: How can Robbie Robertson get away with including tracks on first four Capitol Records reissues, which originally were released by Columbia Records on the Basement Tapes?

The tracks in question: “Bessie Smith,” “Long Distance Operator” (which was edited), “Orange Juice Blues” (minus overdubs), “Katie’s Been Gone.”

Have these record execs just overlooked this?

I don’t mean to slag the man -- I’m no Robbie-basher, but doesn’t it seem a bit opportunistic that he did this. For the “Going Home” video, he tried to pass the promo footage of the Band playing “Cripple Creek” or “King Harvest” as home movies of the basement tapes period. It says so on the box.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 18:03:44 CET 2001 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.16.201)

Long Distance Operator

Man oh man, I'm totally stoked for the Rock Of Ages reissue!

Posted on Thu Feb 1 16:03:15 CET 2001 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Check out this article (click "Web Page" above) with some great details on the next four reissues. The release date is now May 8. The info on Rock of Ages is amazing. ALL of the long-sought-after encores from the final night with Dylan! as well as Rockin' Chair, The Rumor & other previously circulating outtakes from the other nights. Looks like they put all of the original ROA tracks onto the first disc, and the second disc is all bonus tracks. Very nice! Moondog Matinee also looks GREAT--six bonus tracks including--Because You Demanded It--Back to Memphis! The plot thickens! :)

Posted on Thu Feb 1 15:49:06 CET 2001 from client-151-198-114-227.nnj.dialup.bellatlantic.net (151.198.114.227)

Bumbles

PETER VINEY: Make that three albums you're waiting for on CD. "Louisiana'a LeRoux" was recently released on disc. Don't have details (not a fan), but it's available at the above link.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 14:37:37 CET 2001 from man18-pool-13.fcgnetworks.net (204.97.234.221)

Joe D

Rocky I believe your talking about Whispering Pines off the brown album...If anyones interested in picking up the Parlour Band cd its very Bandish with lots of mandolin accordian Appalacian harmonies and cajun country rhythms.I wrote four songs on the last Butterfield album and came to know Rick through Paul. He enjoyed the rough mixes of this cd as I was luckey enough to play them for him before he passed on. If your interested I'll send one ...If you like it send $10 plus shipping.. If not send back the cd..I love the Band and enjoy this site..Just want people to enjoy what I think is very Band influenced stuff jpdltd@cyberportal.net

Posted on Thu Feb 1 13:29:55 CET 2001 from firewall.trondheim.kommune.no (193.214.228.2)

Bonzo

Denne meldingen er til alle som skjønner disse ord. For meg finnes det to store band i rockehistorien; the Band og the Beatles. Når det gjelder førstnevnte, så er denne hjemmesiden en utmerket side for å holde seg oppdatert på gruppen og musikken. Når det gjelder the Beatles så prøver vi nå å lage en side som vi skandinaver (alle andre er selvfølgelig også velkommen) kan møtes for diskutere the Beatles og beslektede grupper/musikk. Håper at også du vil hjelpe oss med å få siden til å bli noe mer enn en vanlig side på nettet. Adressen er: http://home.online.no/~thoyerha/acrosstu.html

Posted on Thu Feb 1 12:44:16 CET 2001 from du-tele3-012.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.12)

Peter Viney

Be fair to Britney etc. This morning I was watching the Madonna video for “Don’t tell me” on MTV as one does, and remembered the early 80s when she was being criticized and put down as young new artists often are. Madonna had the talent and the staying power and has proved her worth and ability. Some of the crop of “pop tarts” and “boy bands” will disappear and become the subject of “Whatever happened to …?” articles in 2015, but some of these people will eventually emerge as major talents. Twas ever thus. When my daughter decided to throw out her twelve year old New Kids on The Block albums (and dolls) recently, I told her to put them in a box, tape it up and wait ten or fifteen years. At the least, they’ll invoke nostalgia when she takes them out again. They may be worth money even. Actually, I’m surprised that NKOTB have become so low key. A couple of them had talent.

Tommy: your search for Harrison’s “Live in Japan” will one day be rewarded in a secondhand shop or when it gets re-released. I found that I spent the late 70s and early 80s buying the albums I couldn’t afford in the late 60s and early 70s. The most sought after are the ones you really wanted when you were most short of cash. Even now, I’ll see something like “One Dozen Berries”, and find myself wanting to buy it in spite of having every track on the Chuck Berry box set. When CD came out in 1982 (?) I spent an hour or so with a fellow vinyl-collector listing the albums that would never appear on CD because they were too obscure. We must have thought of more than sixty. Eighteen years later I think there are only four I’m still waiting for, “Mordicai Jones” (a few tracks are on Link Wray’s “Guitar preacher”), “Carny” (OST), Steve Miller “Recall The Beginning” and “Louisiana’s Leroux.” (I have all of them on vinyl, and can make my own CDRs). The trouble is, when the last one appears, I’ll have lost my excuse for hanging around record stores leafing through the racks. Think I’ll add Harrisoon “Live in Japan” to my mental wants list (you never write these things down) to postpone that day a little further.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 12:29:11 CET 2001 from adsl-208-189-140-144.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (208.189.140.144)

Rocky

Can you help me find a Band song? All I remember is a lyric fragment like "I will wait until it all comes round, when you are there the lost are found" thanks Rocky

Posted on Thu Feb 1 11:07:34 CET 2001 from ulab33.med.gu.se (130.241.86.163)

Markku (Quos)

Bones: Not sure but it does not sound like Levon or Emmylou are on "A Train Robbery" on Jesse James. The song has male background vocals, but I can't tell if Levon is there. The liner notes say that the song was completed later, in separate sessions.

Anyway, White Mansions and The Legend of Jesse James is a great album, every The Band fan should check it out.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 07:20:43 CET 2001 from 1cust147.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.147)

Crabgrass

I was living in England in '74 when John Lennon was reportedly learning to appreciate American football from The Gipper. Definitely a source of bad karma. I recall hearing a phone interview with Lennon on British radio when "Number 9 Dream" hit it big on the charts saying how pleased he was about it. This happened only because it captured a bit of the Beatle sound and magic. I can't think of any post Beatle Lennon songs I really enjoy listening to besides "Imagine," "Instant Karma," "Cold Turkey," "Give Peace A Chance," and the above mentioned and think he really lost his edge and lapsed into a middle-aged mediocrity coma during his time in New York with Yoko. Even Lennon's first solo album is much worse than McCartney's and those sappy songs about Yoko on his later albums coupled with the gall of letting her sing half the tracks far surpasses any indiscretions that Paul might have made in letting Linda do backup vocals. And Harrison hasn't excited me since the first Wilburys effort (the second Wilburys album is an abomination) - a lot of his stuff is just plain dreary (including a lot of ATMP) and lacks good melody. And he overuses horns like crazy.

Now, back to the Band site: Though I doubt there's a Robbie / Hinckley connection it's a good possible premise for Oliver Stone's next movie as his stuff has gone consistently downhill ever since Talk Radio. I doubt if RR would consent to make a contribution to the soundtrack though.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 07:19:51 CET 2001 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

Yes Bayou Sam, there most certainly is a dinosaur named after Mark Knopfler. It is called something? something? Knopfleri. I heard interview with the guy on CBC Radio, great station by the way. When they were doing their digs they always had a ghetto blaster(are they still called ghetto blasters?)Anyway, whenever they played Dire Straits they seemed to have good luck so they named the dinosaur after Mark K. They even wrote him about it and he answered back. He said something like, "I may be a dinosaur, but I'm not a mean dinosaur. Either way, his name is now etched in eternity, pretty cool. I'm just glad they didn't listen to Michael Bolton.

Greatest American bands. Some of my choices, ie: CCR and The Allmans have already been mentioned. What about Steely Dan and The Grateful Dead? Sorry Sam, but I was never much of a Beach Boys fan. I almost forgot Little Feat, another great Band.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 06:26:51 CET 2001 from spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.199)

Bayou Sam

Greatest American Rock n Roll Band? mmmmmmmmm that's a tough one. Maybe we can make a list. I'd be inclined to put CCR and The Beach Boys on it.

I don't know. Aerosmith has been around for about 80 years and played all kinds of gigs. Maybe it just seemed like it would be a blast to play the super bowl. Couldn't it be just that simple?

Hey - did you all hear that they just discovered a new species of dinosaur( actually, a really old-new one), and they named it after Mark Knopfler? It's true.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 06:06:43 CET 2001 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.16.201)

Long Distance Operator

Aerosmith has forfeited the right to have me stick up for them. Forever. As a fellow Bostonian, I've cut them miles of slack over the last decade in an effort to justify their blatant sell-outs. No more. That disgraceful display of sucking off the corporate teet at the Super Bowl was the last straw.

Steven Tyler ruined rock and roll.

On a different note, I thought Bob Wigo made a great suggestion with the "Greatest American Rock and Roll Band" thread. You can cast my vote right away for The Allman Brothers Band, partner. What do y'all think?

Keep rippin'... -LDO

Posted on Thu Feb 1 05:29:36 CET 2001 from user-33qtamu.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.170.222)

Pat Brennan

Rod, any explanation now appears kind of silly. Peter Viney has pointed out that indeed there was talk of recording live performances before the 1974 Dylan tour. Cripple Creek and The Rumor from WG may be the products of that. Obviously Before The Flood would have made that release superfluous. On one front, go back to WG and compare the snare sound on each song. It changes dramatically. On another front, it's painfully obvious from the boots that Back To Memphis live had a completely different arrangement than the one that appears on WG. Same with Loving You and Endless Highway. Perhaps the reissues will clear this up. Perhaps not.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 04:56:43 CET 2001 from akcf2.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.200)

Rod

Pat, I still can't understand why if Memphis is a studio take, why they would try to pass it of as a live recording on To Kingdom Come (I can understand why they might try it on WG). Given the lack of studio outtakes it would have generated more interest in it's original form. The only explanation I can think of is it may have been from some earlier attempt to produce another "live" album - but given that they all ready had 3 live albums and only 7 studio albums out it seems unlikely. I guess the next batch of re-issues should clear this up.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 04:13:41 CET 2001 from user-33qt9gt.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.166.29)

Pat Brennan

Whoops, lost a post in cyberconfusion. Concerning Back To Memphis, there are at least three versions presently available on circulating bootlegs. All three are from the Watkins Glen era--circa summer of 73--and all three share a similiar arrangement. The version on the WG CD has a much different arrangement. When the Watkins Glen version first appeared on To Kingdon Come, I believe Bill Graham's intro was ID'ed as from WG but the performance was supposedly from another show. Given the difference in arrangements, coupled with the fact that they were in the studio recording old songs, and toss on the rather glossy sound that the song has, it's not hard to guess that Back To Memphis is a studio concoction. It certainly seems obvious that other songs on the WG CD are studio sources.

Hank, if you're interested, there's a Howard Cosell documentary produced by HBO that is presently in rotation on that station. It has a bit of Howard's interview with John Lennon. It may be available on video in your neck of the woods.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 03:29:49 CET 2001 from 1cust211.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.211)

confucious

Is the band still playing?-confucious

Posted on Thu Feb 1 03:29:02 CET 2001 from spider-mtc-ti041.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.166)

Bob W.

Does anybody out there have the chords for "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever"? I've been having some trouble figuring them out. Thanks.......Bob W.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 03:07:07 CET 2001 from kingston-ppp112205.sympatico.ca (216.209.138.88)

John Forster

This is a great site. I'm looking for the correct cords and lyrics for Ain't got no home. If there is someone out there who could help me out, that would be great. thanks John

Posted on Thu Feb 1 02:56:04 CET 2001 from dialup-367.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.111)

HANK

Is that true about John Lennon and Ronald Reagan?........That's too much...........Tonight I played a gig here in Cork.....my mandolin-player friend and I played support to Nomos, a great Irish Trad. band........it was their farewell gig....well, We opened with "Evangeline".......I took a walk down the street and sat in with a blues band......I led 'em thru "Yer Blues" "A Deuce and A Quarter" and "It makes no Difference". I had a great night.......The Band are The Best I'm going to Dublin tomorrow...I'm going to bed now......g'night all!!!!

Posted on Thu Feb 1 02:48:48 CET 2001 from spider-ta044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.64)

Tommy

Bayou Sam...that Harrison album, "Live In Japan" isnt available on cd anymore.I remember seeing it alot when I was in High School, but never had the money for the double cd .I figured I'd get it sooner or later, but later never came cause its discontinued. Dammit!!! I saw some footage of the shows and its AMAZING!!! GH swaps leads and solos with EC effortlessly! Great stuff, and they seem to be having a great time at it too!!Try and get a copy somewhere...

Crabgrass; Sorry for another Harrison post...

Posted on Thu Feb 1 02:40:46 CET 2001 from (203.103.135.138)

Micheal

dear all, was watching a local TV nostalgia 'hit parade' type show from 1970, featured the 'Let it be' clip, still as good today as it was then, as a wrap up they gave the top 10 on local charts, with 'Rag Mama Rag' at #2 in Adelaide, small town but good taste in music.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 01:32:32 CET 2001 from host-209-214-112-187.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.187)

BWNWITennessee

I like "The Short Side of Nothing," too, and they never play that live. Can you think of a better title? I'm going to have to go pull out that record now.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 01:30:53 CET 2001 from host-209-214-112-187.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.187)

BWNWITennessee

Redhouse Roy's responses are really right regarding reactionary resentment over selling out - the only time Bob and Jakob Dylan have ever played together was at a private party for some corporation - Pepsi, maybe. There's big bucks nowadays in doing these corporate parties, a lot of otherwise respectable artists do them, and not much publicity is generated about them. I don't know if playing the Super Bowl with some bimbo and a bunch of teeny boppers is really worse than playing for some rich marketing VPs. At least on the Super Bowl, all of your fans have access.

I know the Band-like songs theme is kind of past its prime, but I just heard a Phish version (blech) of Los Lobos' "When The Circus Comes To Town." That song, besides being, in my opinion, one of their unheralded gems, is very, very Band-like. Are any Wolfheads here familiar with it? It's a great song, very sort of resigned and sad, but with just a touch of an "I'll get my revenge" feel, too. Scratch my name off of that tree/Chase your heart right out of me. Mmmm. It doesn't get any better than that. I wonder if it was specifically influenced by The Band, or if it's just coincidence. It's on their Kiko record. If you don't have it, don't Napsterize it, go out and buy yourself a copy.

No, not five minutes from now, NOW! Move it, people!

Posted on Thu Feb 1 00:35:12 CET 2001 from spider-tj071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.206)

Bayou Sam

a little more George - much to the dismay of Crabby.

B.E.G. = your right about the tight friendship between George and Clapton. I always liked George's story that after he and Patti(Layla) split, and she hooked up with EC, Eric would act uncomfortable around George until he told EC to realax, and that - "at least she's not with some jerk". Also GH did an interesting version of Bye Bye Love where he added the lyric, "I hope she's happy - and 'ol Clapper too". .....AND - when the horror of Eric's son falling to his death happened, George took Eric to Japan to tour with him and play to help ease the pain. That's a great rock n roll friendship there..........BTW, there was a GREAT live CD released of that Japan tour that seemed to go un-noticed. George does everything from Roll Over Beethoven to Old Brown Shoe LIVE.

Posted on Thu Feb 1 00:32:23 CET 2001 from proxy-1391.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.204)

Bill W.

Holy cow. I thought R.R. had been a dastardly conspirator ever since the days when he was trying to outplay Fred Carter!

As for the half time show, all I saw was some guy who appeared to be suffering some type of genital discomfort; couldn't keep his both hands on the mike if his life depended on it. Who was he anyway??