The Band Guestbook, January '99

Sun Jan 31 23:48:46 MET 1999

Jill

As a longtime fan, I was thrilled to find this (content-rich!) website, but am largely discouraged by what I've read in the guestbook-which would thin conspicuously if all the Robbie-bashing, one-upmanship, feud-fueling/speculation and personal attacks were eliminated. I've never seen this level of nastiness among 'fans' before, and it's sad. Maybe one reason a larger cross-section of fans isn't represented here (esp. women), is that fear of being disparaged is an awfully high admission price...

Sun Jan 31 17:41:33 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Buying boots can be a dicey affair which is why you should deal with people who answer their phone--like Generation Records in NY. Of course, it is a quasi-legal thing we're dealing with here (please, let's not get into that arguement), and, as a result, many sellers insulate themselves quite deeply. I do recall hearing that someone boiled down TLW boot into one or two discs--hence the "preferred" (by who?) edition. And, from my small experience, I don't believe smaller sellers hold a lot of stock. Even Generation didn't get me TLW for a number of weeks, and I've waited longer for other titles.

Sun Jan 31 16:13:26 MET 1999

Kevin Gilbertson

Ron Shankland:

I successfully purchased the ‘Crossing The Great Divide’ boot from “Bruce the Cat”.

I sent a money order and the discs arrived in about 7 to 10 days.

However, I was never really comfortable with their set-up. (no live people - just messages and faxes and E-Mails).

When I inquired about the availability of ‘The Complete Last Waltz’, they indicated they had it. When I asked if it was the “official” ‘Cool Daddy’ version, they said ‘No’, it’s the preferred version. I didn’t know what that meant, except that it was most likely a CDR and not the nicely packaged version. Needless to say I passed.

Personally, I’m not comfortable dealing with them. However, as I said, the one purchase I did make came off without a hitch. My guess, is they’ll come thru. It’s possible, they are ordering these from somewhere and are awaiting the order. In other words, not in stock, or they don’t stock many copies.

Good luck with your order.

Sun Jan 31 14:33:49 MET 1999

Bill Sapphire

I smell a Dave too! He smells like the leaves.....from the magnolia trees in the meadow....

Oh woe is me. Why the wonderous and magical music of theBand attracts "nattering nabobs of negatism" is beyond me. Of course it only takes one braying babbling Buffet buffoon to spread dissonant discourse.

Sun Jan 31 12:07:45 MET 1999

Ken Starr

I smell a Dave.

THE LEVY RESTAURANTS AT JACOBS FIELD

Sun Jan 31 11:53:31 MET 1999

Ken Starr

Greg & Scott

No date, no setlists, no description of either part of the concert, no testimony from anyone we ever heard of before here. Neither this website or Buffett's confirm your stories. Yeah, I believe you. You Shall be Released. Not! Hang em boys.

Sun Jan 31 06:20:56 MET 1999

Rick V.

Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere here, but Jim Weider and the Honky Tonk Gurus are scheduled at the Hogwash Barbecue Grill in Mamaroneck on 2/5. Showtime is 10:30. Is it odd that no concerts are listed beyond Jan. 30 for anyone? Danko is supposed to be at the Turning Point again on 3/12. I only saw the late set last night, but I second the earlier review. He has rarely been in better form the last couple of years.

Sun Jan 31 04:29:41 MET 1999

Scott Stephens

Greg: I can confirm for you that The Band opened for Buffet in 1996 at Jacobs Field in Cleveland, probably on the same tour that you are asking about. Good show, too, although not exactly intimate surroundings. Peace for the North Coast!

Sun Jan 31 03:01:36 MET 1999

Mike

GREG- check the concerts section in the brown stripe on this site for semi-complete Band concerts and set lists. Good luck.

Sun Jan 31 02:39:14 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

gopher, it was nice seeing ya, if only for a moment. Keep the chin up.

Sun Jan 31 02:28:54 MET 1999

Rock 'N Roll Mama

Here is last night's set list - not in order stagefright (both sets) the weight (both sets) let the four winds blow (prof louie - both sets) crazy mama (both sets) this wheels on fire (boh sets) shape i'm in (both sets) carolina (both sets- Ed Kasher) it makes no difference (2nd set) one more shot (1st set) blaze of glory (1st set) rivers of babalon (both sets) book faded brown (both sets) high cotton (2nd set) bartenders blues (2nd set) can't remember anymore -but might have left out one or two. great shows -

Sun Jan 31 01:48:43 MET 1999

Ron Shankland

Consumer alert!I want to warn Bandaddies about a company called "Bruce the Cat"who advertises in Goldmine magazine!They had an ad to sell the GEnuine Bootleg Series by The BAnd and Bob Dylan . at $78 I sent them the money and they never sent me the discs! So buyer beware!Has anyone else had dealings with this company? Ron ps Thanks Jan!

Sun Jan 31 01:26:42 MET 1999

Al Vacado

I can settle this dispute Greg & Fred. I was at The Buckeye in June of 1996. There was a lovely Buffet lunch before The Band's sets. Plenty of watermelon, peaches, apples & strawberries for Levon. Lettuce, tomato, Heinz 57 and Freddy Fried potatos for Rick. Howard Johnson supplied the ice cream. Life is a Carnival!

Sun Jan 31 00:52:05 MET 1999

Carmen

In case you're interested Mr. Croce, word is that Jimmy Buffet opened for Rick last night at the Turning Point :-)

Sun Jan 31 00:44:59 MET 1999

J. Croce

Can we get a further review & setlist for Rick's show @ The Turning Point. Besides BFB and High Cotton, that is. I don't suppose Rick opened for Bob Dylan there? :-)

Sun Jan 31 00:24:07 MET 1999

Luke

Howard - great to hear from ya. Keep eating that ice cream and blowing that horn!:}

Sat Jan 30 23:42:36 MET 1999

Howard Johnson

Old Luke my friend

I am from the land of 21 flavors. I was there at The Academy of Music New Year's Eve 1971 at the concession stand. This Ice Cream Man is one hillbilly fan. I even got 78's by Hank Snow. Thanksgiving 1976 I was at the Winterland behind the scenes. Was me convinced Neil Diamond not to perform his Crunchy Granola Suite. I was at The Palladium earlier in mid September of that year to keep Paul high on Butternutcrunch. Guess ice cream is my life son. :-)

Sat Jan 30 23:25:07 MET 1999

greg

will someone please confirm the fact that the band opened for jimmy buffet, summer of '95 or '96 at the buckeye lake music center in ohio. i think freddie's comin after me! chris from cincy, help me out here.

Sat Jan 30 22:47:34 MET 1999

Charlie Young

Joe from London: I think the song you quote from Dylan's generally dreadful SELF PORTRAIT album was a song called "Copper Kettle," about moonshine. Regarding "Planet Waves," it did have some stellar moments and didn't deserve the fate of the cut-out bins in the US (I picked up an extra copy or two on vinyl back then for around 44 cents each!).

Sat Jan 30 22:10:47 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

Greg

Aint' gonna call a Bandhead from the state which created the term "Parrothead" a liar. The Band & Margaritaville can sometimes be a state of mind.

I'm gonna see Jimmy for real @ MSG in NYC late February. Maybe Rick will open with Cheeseburger in Paradise, Sip the Wino & I Know and Perrier Blues. Could happen. :-) I'll bet Brian Wilson shows up.

Sat Jan 30 20:52:26 MET 1999

Rock ' N Roll Mama

Seeing is believing! Don"t lisren to the "Small Town Talk" from New Orleans. Rick did two magnificent sets at the Turning Point last night. He never sounded better, was in wonderful spirits, quite funny and looked good. He did among his many standards Book Faded Brown and High Cotton. He is also booked back there again on March 12.

Sat Jan 30 20:39:58 MET 1999

Ragtime

To all guestbook friends, including the few players of the Bad Tempered Clavier: may your hearts be joyful and may your song always be sung...

Re Planet Waves backup vocals:

DANNY LOPEZ: I hear Rick singing along with Dylan in "GOING, GOING, GONE" (4th verse: Grandma said "Boy, go and follow your heart / And you'll be fine at the end of the line / All that gold isn't meant to shine / Don't you and your own true love ever part") and in "NEVER SAY GOODBYE" (several lines). Singing loudly in the rough "Quinn The Eskimo" & "Minstrel Boy" way should not have suited the subtlety of the album.

BTW: Planet Waves is top. But this is something you knew already.

Sat Jan 30 20:25:57 MET 1999

Joe

Nice to hear Planet waves fans!! I think it's a classic: wandering the Great lakes with Danny lopez (nowhere near Iowa I guess). I think the backing has this great lyrical feel to it, the bass, organ, guitar have this joy in palying. It's uposed to have been recorded over 3 days, so is almost live. Didn't Levon turn up late agian (like the BT)??

Songs/phases in the shower: now all you Vigilantes won't you make that move

but his brother would not hear his tale, he said old daniel's goin to land in gaol.

just don't judge me by my shoes

standing by the well, reaching to the clouds..

it's a sad heart that...

On Self Portrait: what's the song about "don't get no green or rotten wood"?

Sat Jan 30 18:24:03 MET 1999

Beth

Thanx Stu H for abeautifully written articule straight from the heart. N'awlens is a wonderful city, but as you felt you really need to be on your guard when out walkin the streets of the French Quarter, particularly us woman. My advice is to watch out for consuming too many 'hurricanes' when out ramblin'. I'll bet that jimmy buffet knew all about Levon's club but just didn't want to let on about it.

Sat Jan 30 18:09:28 MET 1999

greg

FREDDIE: then check the summer of '95. couldn't have been '97, since buckeye lake closed its gates for good that year, and jimmy began playing the local shed. i assure you, the show did happen! checking my ticket stub is not an option...on my way out i gave my "reserved seat" to a friend in the festival seating area.

Sat Jan 30 15:15:53 MET 1999

Danny Lopez

Thanks to Ragtime ("my very best [paragraph]friend"), BW McTell, Stanley Landau, and Pat Brennan for comments on Planet Waves. I woke up today thinking about my one critical point concerning this collection -- where are those wonderful background vocals that only the Band could provide? If I recall, it's only Hazel where you hear someone behind Bobby D (is it Rick?). I read where they were under time constraints and had to rush the recording of PW, but IMHO, they missed an opportunity to enhance the music even more. And why did they do this, given that Guitars Kissing, BT, Woody Guthrie Tribute, Isle of Wight on Self-Portrait, and Before the Flood have the constant presence of those slightly discordant, sometimes drunken, and always delightful background vocals of Levon, Richard, and Rick (and Robbie???)?? Iowa awaits your answer.

Sat Jan 30 15:04:44 MET 1999

Luke

Random thoughts: Is the Howard Johnson who posted the GREAT Howard Johnson also of Rock of Ages/RCO and SNL? Also, I love the postings by Serge, Viney and Paul Godfrey et al. Keep those old stories coming. Levon & Robbie. If either one of you read this: Bury the hatchet, remeber the good times and get together for a jam (not a reunion Robbie)!

Sat Jan 30 14:05:30 MET 1999

catbalu

"I'd give the moon and the stars above...." took a battered old pink house up in the mountains here and turned on the music..... and painted walls, ripped out dirty carpet, refinished wood floors, wall-papered the kitchen, painted a mural, recovered an old pool table, finished the basement, hung curtains and blinds, cleared the dead wood, and cooked southern meals of the finest kind for WHAT IS LEFT of my dear old friends. And wandered in here, wondereing where the rest of us ended up. I'm not disappointed. The Greek Forum is alright with me. I've been tolerated, enlightened, chewed on alittle, entertained.... but most of all I've been at peace with knowing you are all there. Donald Joseph: I hail from a land where people smile politely when they tell you they hate you. I'd rather be called a monster. Guestbook: occasionally we all sing "The Confused GuestBook Blues" but that's okay. Sometimes things come out a little too harsh, sometimes alittle too fluffy (me, i know, but it balances what my "real world" is, so that is the seat i want in here). Being mindful of my manners, knowing i don't dance a well as i used to but still will, i use you all like a warm old blanket keeping out the chill of "I'm sorry's" or "I love you's" that didn't get said before it was too late. Out of respect for Diamond Lil and Beth and the old friends who have made their presence known, i don't want to dwell on the sad parts. Would love to hear their stories tho, one thing that there is not enough of is the telling of the tale. The young ones in here want to know and are being kind of pushed aside. Who will remember where our bones lie. Who will care. And where is Al Vocado when you need him?

Sat Jan 30 12:55:37 MET 1999

gopher

"I guess I should stifle my passion for this music & resign myself to infrequent, bitter & insulting remarks."

to david powell: no, please don't... that's serge's avocation, which reminds me why i'm outta here again after briefly checking back in. i just can't stomach his sort of callous, rude egocentricism, sorry. take care dave, and y'all. best wishes!

Sat Jan 30 12:15:21 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

Greg

Dont mean to be like Frank Pembleton and put you in the box but you must got the date wrong. I pulled that info from a Buffett site and its accurate. The Band did'nt open for Jimmy 6/15 at that venue. Check your stub etc. Don't be pullin my stick.

Sat Jan 30 12:14:34 MET 1999

SN

Warm thoughts on a cold winters day.

Young man stands with his ax in his hand....he's got the power to make the fire glow (fire glow, fire glow, fire glow)......

Sat Jan 30 12:04:41 MET 1999

Ragtime

NIKLAS:

"Take a load off Fanny" - I was half asleep when I typed that. Think before you post Ragtime! Yes it's 4% Panto.

Re Planet Waves:

"Dirge" & "Going, Going, Gone" have the most delicate guitar riffs Double R ever made.

Sat Jan 30 09:42:42 MET 1999

Niklas Joensson

Ragtime, the "la-la" is from "4% Pantomime", right? Your chorus on "The Weight" is a little twisted. My best "regards for everyone" of you Band fans from a big fan in Gothenburg, Sweden.

Sat Jan 30 07:58:23 MET 1999

John

LOVE the Band!!! even their worst music is great. i understand all of the debate about the quality of The Band's latest music, but let's remember, they will not always be here. we had better enjoy them now! their latest music may or may not be their best, but it is still "The Band", and it is great.

Sat Jan 30 07:44:13 MET 1999

John

I love to read all these postings from all of you Band lovers. I feel that it is impossible to simply "like" The Band. It is more of a connection to them, a sort of fanatical devotion, so to speak. What do you think?

Sat Jan 30 05:53:44 MET 1999

Ragtime

Ragtime's On-Bike & In-Bath Poll

Sorry, I'm only a classical piano player (don't shoot me). Yes I can do ragtimes, but only in the Scott Joplin mode. When I try my luck on things like "Rag Mama Rag" they sound stiff. I can't find the right rhythms. They are in my head, but not in my fingers. So I can't join Mike's & Ilkka's Amateur Band, but I do sing/hum Band tunes whenever I bike. Which is often: as you know we Dutch are a biking nation. My latest on-bike successes are (apart from Prokofiev's Peter And The Wolf, especially the duck's part):

"Oh, to be home again, down in old Virginny" (well, naturally)

"Corn in the fields, listen to the rice when the wind blows 'cross the meadow"

"Take a load on Fenny, take a load for free"

" Daniel Daniel would you mind, if I look it over"

"I wanna hear pitter-patter"

"Holy Cow, whatcha doing to me, child" (oh no, not that one again...)

"She said are you looking for trouble, or looking for love, love, love..."

"It's a-coming, a brand new day..."

"La-la-la-la-lala-la-la" (which one is this - please guess - answer in tomorrow's guestbook)

I'd love to know anyone else's on-bike or in-bath repertoire.

BTW my favourite Planet Waves tracks: Dirge & Going Going Gone. Both for obvious reasons. Just listen.

Sat Jan 30 04:59:31 MET 1999

greg

FREDDIE FS: obviously, you know more about the show than i do! i arrived about 15 minutes before the band began, and left immediately after their (way too short) 45-50 minute set. sorry i'm not able to provide more insight, but i'll admit i'm not much of a buffett fan.

Sat Jan 30 04:48:52 MET 1999

Blind Willie McTell

Thanks Stanley, Just played Planet Waves.

Haven't heard it for a while. Perfect.

Sat Jan 30 04:20:10 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

I’ll ask a question I’ve asked before. If Levon and Robbie were pals during the RCO Allstar period, what happened? The conventional wisdom (based on Levon’s book) is that the animosity traces back to song writing issues, The Last Waltz etc. all of which occurred long before the RCO Allstars.

With respect to Planet Waves, my favorite recorded Richard instrumental of all time is on You Angel You when he does that riff on the piano in the middle of the song just after Dylan sings "and oh I can’t sleep at night for tryin’". If you listen closely you can hear a wrong note or two, but its a classic. I can just see him, with that crazy grin, shoulders hunched over the piano, foot tapping up and down.….

Sat Jan 30 03:47:00 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Danny, Richard played drums on Never Say Goodbye and Nobody 'Cept You. John D., check back to last Saturday or the Saturday before. There was an extensive discussion about the Basement Tapes and the apparent doctoring that went on for the official release. Think it, pally, as painful as it is.

Sat Jan 30 03:04:51 MET 1999

Danny Lopez

Hi Folks!

You know, I stumbled onto this site in the spring of '98, and since that time, I learned a whole heck-of-a-lot about the Band and I've seen many interesting controversies. I love it when bandwagon effects occur on certain albums or topics, such as recent discussions on TLW, BT, and who played what on Blonde on Blonde. But since the spring of '98, I've never seen much discussion on Planet Waves.

Now, I love this cd. The opener (Night Like This) is a real-Band like song (reminds me of Strawberry Wine). Tough Mama, Hazel, Something About You, and Rick's bass opening Never Say Goodbye are all wonderful. The music is minimalist, and for those who dig spaces, there's plenty of 'em.

I'd be interested in knowing what your take is on this collection. And here's a question for the musically proficient: what song(s) does Richard play drums on?

Sat Jan 30 02:29:13 MET 1999

John Donabie

PAT BRENNAN

Caught your comment about 1975 Basement Tapes. I always thought they were recorded in the 60's. I haven't been following this; but if what you are saying is true....I don't even want to say it.

Sat Jan 30 02:18:00 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

PAUL PEARMAN: Pat B. has got it right on the nail for ya! Best songs on SELF PORTRAIT, IN ORDER,1). EARLY MORNIN RAIN, 2). BELLE ISLE, 3). DAYS OF 49, 4).TAKE A MESSAGE TO MARY, 5).BLUE MOON. Peace, Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Sat Jan 30 01:50:52 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Re: Self Portrait; the boys play on the live Isle of Wight material. "Rolling Stone," "She Belongs To Me," "Minstrel Boy," and "Quinn." RE Basement Tapes, Clinton Heylin posits that Bessie Smith and Ain't No More Cane were the 1975 recordings. His source is Rob Fraboni.

Sat Jan 30 01:21:14 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

Greg

Did you just post about a Band/Buffett connection? Well I got my sources and I'm sure you can explain so please do brother

June 15 1996 Saturday, 6:00pm (8:18 actually) General Admission Buckeye Lake OH Banana Wind Opening Acts: Haitian band Ram and Todd Snider, who ended his set with Livingston Saturday Night, accompanied by "Fingers" Taylor. Jimmy eschewed his recent three-song duet with "Fingers" to begin the show with full band, on stage

Sat Jan 30 00:35:38 MET 1999

Bones

To Paul Godfrey: Thank you so much for your response about Levon's RCO party, although I'm sorry that Fred Carter lost his jacket. No one around here seems to want to share fond memories of Levon and Robbie. They just want to bash Robbie and talk about the feud. I have a picture of Levon and Robbie in a jeep taken from Levon's RCO party, and it is one of my favorites. Two brothers.

Fri Jan 29 23:48:37 MET 1999

Joe

Sorry: should have read "doesn't invalidate.."

Fri Jan 29 23:46:35 MET 1999

Joe

Thoughts on TLW: I loved it in 78 but now it struggles. Specially the interview side. Dylan's entry is the most dramatic: he steals the film show: did he steal the live show: please tell us those who had their salmon suppers?

It was never the same for me after reading levon's book where he recalls the premiere where the Hawk watches it tears rolling down his cheek with laughter as he states loudly: "the trouble with this film is that there aint enough of Robbie in it! " or something like that...

This GB always amazes me when I look in from time to time, how it seems impossible for people to accept 2 opposing views: just cos Robbie takes himself a bit seriously (as do some others on this site!) that does invaliidate their views or their music. I feel more of a warm feeling towards the remains of the Band than to Robbie, but on balance he's produced more original and interesting stuff than they have IMO. Peace anoraks!!!

Fri Jan 29 22:43:46 MET 1999

Chris Lecky

Greg, I saw the 94 show, but didn't see them with Buffet. I didn't hear about that until the day of the show. I remeber you and your friends, thats pretty cool. The pictures I took are posted on this website. I hope they come to Ohio soon.

Fri Jan 29 22:42:08 MET 1999

Mike

Lil, as always you speak well.It's all about the music. I've been listening a lot lately to the last three albums and the quality of the songs covered. I kind of wonder how they decide what tunes to cover.I can think of a few that I'd love to hear them play-"Smack-dab in the Middle" and "Made Your Move Too Soon" come to mind immediately.( I guess it's clear that I'm partial to Levon singing or sharing lead.) Any thoughts anyone?

Fri Jan 29 22:07:45 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

Seems like there's an awful lot of bad feelings in here lately. I think we're all here because we share a common interest/love for The Band, and it's a shame when opinions become weapons used against each other. I too have been guilty of this on more than one occassion, and I'd like to be the first to say that even if I don't always agree with your opinions, I will try harder to respect them. Anyone else with me here?

Peter Viney:Any thought yet to an article on "whispering pines"?

Fri Jan 29 21:54:21 MET 1999

greg

HEY CHRIS L.: too cool! i remember you and your girlfriend well. i came to the show without a camera (although i did manage to tuck away a big pink cd jacket, which rick autographed for me), and i was the one who asked your girlfriend if she wouldn't mind taking a shot of rick and me. unfortunately, by the time we got to the back of the room, he had gone. you guys were kind enough to tell us rick was doing a "meet and greet" after the show. we hadn't noticed, since we were too busy swillin' molsons and talking about the show. i was down your way for the bands' show at bogart's in '94, was planning on going to the '95(?) gig before they cancelled, and made it to the '96 concert at buckeye lake music center when they opened for jimmy buffett. how about you?

Fri Jan 29 21:50:34 MET 1999

David Powell

"Pompous, patronizing, condescending (should we add redundant?) and boring"---I guess I should stifle my passion for this music & resign myself to infrequent, bitter & insulting remarks.

Fri Jan 29 21:33:01 MET 1999

Paul P

Here's a question: What tunes do the boys play on dylan's "Self Portrait" thanx paul

Fri Jan 29 21:19:07 MET 1999

Sue

I'm trying to contact the band to see if there's any way we could get them to play at Fort Lewis College in Durango for Earth Week. The festivities start March 29th and end April 2nd. Anyone know how I can do this? I've been a Merl fan since I saw him in Steamboat in, I think, 1993 or 1994 at the Inferno. Luckily, he plays in Durango too! Anyway email me with any info. Thanks!

Fri Jan 29 21:14:54 MET 1999

Chris Lecky

Greg, we must have been next to each other. I was sitting with a tall blonde girl. It was just the two of us. Small world. The Columbus show had a lot of energy. The opening band was great. I think they were called the Cowboy Angels. I grabbed a promotional poster the bar had out, and had it signed.

Fri Jan 29 20:18:17 MET 1999

Rod

I've haven't read the guess book for a couple of days so I'm sorry if this is all old hat.

Peter V. I enjoy your posts. Don't let the others get to you. Just remember the English make the best beer in the world - much better than that pissy American stuff.

Robbie's definitely singing on TLW - check out Ophelia. Probably to cover for Richard.

Lars, I think Levon's funny faces are just something he does while he is playing the drums (it's all in the way you hold your tongue). Fishes picture of TLW rehearsal raises a question. Robbie is dressed the same way as he is in "Don't Do It". Is this song from the rehearsal ? Was this also a concert ?

Fri Jan 29 20:12:30 MET 1999

greg

MIKE, put me in the acoustic guitar catagory. i usually supply the rhythm (and some lead) for my dulcimer, violin and mandolin players. CHRIS, i was right there with you. second row, to the right. memorable night of music, except when the sound system overloaded (prompting rick to launch into an a capella "river of babylon"...without missing a beat!) the sound guy actaully came over to my table thinking i may have accidentally kicked the power cord out of the socket, causing the temporary shut down. i plead innocent!! i was a bit disappointed, too, when rick promised to "played till the cows come home," and two songs later he was gone. thankfully he stuck around for a chat and autograph.

Fri Jan 29 20:10:14 MET 1999

Rob

Stu Hruska, I too was at the show in Chester NY and Levon attempted to sing only one song that night. Has he improved dramatically??

Fri Jan 29 19:49:03 MET 1999

Mike

ILKKA- Lets roll on the guestbook band.I think I remember that you play guitar.I play guitar,mandolin and sing. All you others out there let us know what you bring to the table. Playing music beats arguing about it anyday.

Fri Jan 29 19:33:16 MET 1999

PC

I'm (gack) a State Worker surfing on a State PC during lunch/breaks. As a Band fan going on 30 yrs (gack again) I'm fascinated by this site. But it seems like I'll have to wait till I get my own PC to channel enough time/energy to be "noticed".

I'm tantalized by comments from folks suggesting they're insiders, and at least one (JRR, not Tolkien) Actual Member. Can it be? Does it matter?

Anyway, I'd really appreciate some informed feedback to a ? I asked on my one previous entry: Is it me, or are the CD versions of Band albums remixed? "Stagefright", in particular. I wish they'd have boosted Robbie UP just a bit, not the other way around.

Anyway, it's nice to know there are other fanatics out there. I'll stay tuned.

Fri Jan 29 17:51:05 MET 1999

Chris Lecky

Greg, I was at the Columbus show. It was great. I talked to Rick before and after the show. It was a great night. I had a front row seat, and it was worth the drive.

Fri Jan 29 17:46:43 MET 1999

greg

re: band tunes we like (try) to play... so far, the only one we've mastered is "masterpiece." do not possess the ability/confidence to tackle anything more complex than that...yet! our band, the highpoint brothers, made a pilgrimage to rick and aaron's show in columbus 11/97. had the pleasure of meeting rick after the show. he signed a concert poster for us: "hi hi highpoint brothers! r.d." it proudly hangs in our cabin/practice area (big brown?) located in beautiful hocking county, ohio. thanks to all who've psoted their memories/reviews of THW and levon's club gigs. much appreciated!

Fri Jan 29 17:31:20 MET 1999

J.W. Esteemed voting member of congress

BRAVO BETH!! Rick is fine and after all you better than anyone should know..

Fri Jan 29 16:38:54 MET 1999

Dexy

Thank you Stu Hruska. Wish we coulda been there.

Fri Jan 29 14:27:46 MET 1999

Jens Magnus

Patric from NSW. That was hitting the nail! So much we really have to say to express our admiration for these boys, and instead we keep on bragging about negative aspects we hardly know. But there has been some excellent topics as well, like what song you prefer to play yourself. I'm kind of hooked on Unfaithful servant. There is something about the chords and the melody on that song. I've never tried with a band though, only on acoustic guitar. The Weight is perhaps the best to singalong?

Fri Jan 29 14:01:52 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Way to go PATRIC M., or is it W.T.G. You got a good name Patric!

Fri Jan 29 11:04:23 MET 1999

Serge

Brennan: why would you want people to think that you're a woman ?

Fri Jan 29 10:39:37 MET 1999

Patric Mulcahy

Just back for my regular monthly read. Seems nothing changed here, same old point-scoring and petty bickering, and some on here blame certain members of the Band for not being able to continue in harmony !!!. I'd hate be in a group with certain individuals on here, there wouldnt be a "First Waltz" !!.

That, however is a small price to pay for a wonderful web-site.As with most things in life you've got plow through the mud to get to the clear water.

Fri Jan 29 05:33:39 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

Lyn: The Complete Last Waltz WAS available from Generation Records in NY [among other places]. ph: 212/254-8008; 212/885-8471; 212/254-1100. I've heard though, that it is no longer available - a pity to say the least.

Fri Jan 29 05:09:41 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Serge, if you have some opinion you'd like to share with everyone here, then please do. Otherwise, I'd rather you not refer to me unless it has something to do with the Band. Revealing info from private emails can set a bad precedent.

Fri Jan 29 04:47:20 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

O.K., NEW GAME! TELL ME YOUR *REAL* NAME, AND I'LL TELL YOU MINE... TIM S CORCORAN IS MINE, WHATS YOURS?

Fri Jan 29 04:26:03 MET 1999

Phil

That's enough! I've got to get "The Complete Last Waltz"!!!

Fri Jan 29 04:14:25 MET 1999

Howard Johnson

You all know me. I supplied the ice cream for The All-Stars. I don't remember serving you Paul Godfrey. You can't Milk this Cow with your Boogie son! That's My Home.

Fri Jan 29 04:11:27 MET 1999

Long ago gal pal

Surely we have all had the experience of completely misreading a situation involving people with whom we were intimately acquainted. How can you not realize how narrow a glimpse of the picture you base your opinions on? The Guestbook sometimes feels like watching the unarmed in a battle of wits.

Fri Jan 29 04:07:03 MET 1999

J.R.R. (not Tolkein)

Hey, wise guy: I can sing all the same notes Caruso sang, I just prefer not to...

Fri Jan 29 03:35:15 MET 1999

Pete Shaw

Regarding the mic thing, and sorry if I am late, but if you listen to the Complete Last Waltz, there can be little doubt that Robbie's mic is on and he does sing quite a bit. Granted, that singing is more like the atavistic howl of a man getting his teeth gouged out with a chisel, but nonetheless, the mic is on.

Fri Jan 29 02:36:55 MET 1999

Paul Godfrey

Bones you are right on the mark about the RCO party. The morning after we all sat out back and as the Hawk would say..."told some lies!" Robbie sat in on the conversation and everyone was easy and in harmony. We had a laugh about a Band Music book I had bought in Toronto and some of the pages where printed upside down, some were repeated and of course some songs missing. I was greatful that they wrote out the chords for The Weight for me. The book is one of my personal treasures. The only dark spot on the whole weekend had to do with Fred Carter Jr. getting his brand new RCO jacket stolen. Diamond Lil might be interested to know that I seldom ever offer opinions. Occassionally I will pass on an observation. I have too much respect for the Band collectively and as individuals to get into opinions which don't count for much anyway. About a month before TLW Levon said, "Come on down Paul...We are going to have some old friends of the Band drop by the Winterland Ballroom to kinda take it home." We never mentioned any of the friends names and I never ever attempt to read anything into what Levon says. He is not one to waste words. There are many stories we could share in the guestbook but only with reverance and respect. Shine On!

Fri Jan 29 01:32:52 MET 1999

frank dracman

For anyone interested in band photos I would highly recommend E. Landy's Woodstock Vision. 9.5/11 is the size listed in the library. They are amazing, most go to the edge. the brown album cover is two pages with the seam down the middle. My favorite of the 5 is hudson on hudson. There are also good dylan (large nashville skyline cover is sweet) and some woodstock'69 pictures. I bought it without knowing about the cd-rom. How is it?

Fri Jan 29 00:38:49 MET 1999

john donabie

Paul Godrey sure brought everyone back to TLW. One shot I will never forget watching the film, is where Robbertson & Clapton are going at each other like the old battle of the bands. When Robbie winds up and does one hell of a solo, you see the pride and smile in Levon's face. Almost to say..."top that one Eric."

Fri Jan 29 00:34:08 MET 1999

Speculation / Question

COULD BETH BE ELIZABETH.....AS IN MRS. DANKO?

Fri Jan 29 00:26:18 MET 1999

john donabie

LYN:

I bought one of Elliott's prints (The cover of the brown album). It's absolutely beautiful and pristine. It hangs proudly on my wall.

Thu Jan 28 23:15:57 MET 1999

Ragtime

No need to apologize, Peter :-)

Thu Jan 28 23:09:08 MET 1999

Lyn

All this talk of The Last Waltz has reminded me that I read somewhere (probably here) about the Complete Last Waltz. Can anyone tell me what was included or where I could get hold of a copy? Also has anyone bought one of Elliot Landy's prints? I'd relly love one but it is hard to tell how good it will look from the canned image.

Thu Jan 28 23:02:15 MET 1999

Peter Viney

OK, sorry, it’s best to leave these things go. And I should. But I won’t. I try to post on what I can honestly give an opinion about - a video is an artifact that is in front of you; lyrics and albums are concrete objects that you can love, criticize or both. Any one who publishes a work of art, whether visual, musical or lyrical has made the decision to invite public comment. I have enjoyed reading the comments on TLW today from Dave Z., David Powell, Bill Munson and Lars Pedersen. And yes, if Robbie put himself forward in setting up TLW, then he can be praised for a great, great movie.

If you look back through the archives, you’ll notice that I generally avoid speculatation on the health, wealth or current lifestyles of Band members, present or former. I’m the first to admit that I don’t know anything about these areas. I made an error by praising some speculative dialogue as dialogue writing. My additional comment was supposed to say that I didn’t want to agree with the underlying suggestion. I don’t get where Wolfgang and Beth are coming from. You must have a serious hang-up about anyone putting forward a viewpoint. Maybe we should all sit quietly and post “The Band is wonderful, but Robbie is a bad guy” once a month.

Thu Jan 28 22:44:47 MET 1999

Lyn

Sorry I meant Dave Z not dez

Thu Jan 28 22:42:46 MET 1999

Lyn

Loved your post Dez. I have been checking in to this site for some time now but have never felt like posting before. However TLW turned me on to The Band too and led to hours of fun and pleasure tracking down all their material. Thanks to all the regular posters for all the info and chat.

Thu Jan 28 22:41:46 MET 1999

*

I once met a woman who had seen The Last Waltz several times, and believed it was fiction, a story about Neil Diamond. I tried to explain that it was actually a documentary about The Band's final concert, but she would have none of it. She maintained The Band wasn't a real group, just made up characters, and Neil was the star of the show.

Thu Jan 28 22:35:26 MET 1999

Serge (again)

BETH (from Promised Land ): Pat BRENNAN IS NOT A LADY... I was going to add more, but decided to restrain myself.

Thu Jan 28 22:26:35 MET 1999

Serge

Bill Munson you are right on. Why do you think Hawkins is hovering around Dylan during "...released". He knew where the cameras would be aiming. He admitted to that fact personally. :)

Thu Jan 28 21:01:14 MET 1999

Debbie Cheyne

Dave Z: Thank you. My sentiments exactly!

Thu Jan 28 20:57:47 MET 1999

Dexy

Robbie-bashing is one thing, but Viney-bashing? Donald Joseph-bashing? Next thing you know, someone will speak ill of Serge. Come on, folks. I'm all for any and every (sane) posting on the subject at hand. Seems to me these guys and others who post more regularly than the rest of us most often have something interesting to say about The Band. Isn't that the point of the guestbook?

Thu Jan 28 20:44:22 MET 1999

Dave Z

If Robbie did intentionally hog the show in the Last Waltz, I don't personally care. The show was great!!! My impression was they were all cocksure of themselves. And they had adult stories to tell. At the time, I thought Rick was so cool especially the unique way he rocks and leans about while waving his elbows as he plays and connects with the tune, and I thought that Robbie was maybe related to him, and was very much in sync with him. I thought Levon was so incredibly powerful on Dixie. And I loved Garth's hair flying around while he played. I also noted a contrast between the silly Richard talking about naming the group and stealing bread with the professinalism of his brief singing spot. To me they were each unique pieces of the puzzle, and the group was great! I didn't understand the music - Garth and Robbie sounded wierd to me, but it all came together. I loved it. And I didn't care if everything wasn't perfectly sounding or if some of the guys were smashed or if one team member dominated or told the stories. I mean they played with Dylan who's not exactly the most pleasant sounding singer, and most of us were maybe a little smashed ourselves during those times. The theatrics and drama were awesome though. And it's because of this movie that I started to explore the Band including all members, and buy the older albums, and read the various books, and view the videos. And I think there is probably now enough stuff available including this awesome website to enable interested parties to appreciate the entire Band. Maybe you need to think about all this ego stuff in a different way. If you were going to make a movie about your playground friends, would you really focus on giving equal face or microphone time to each friend, or would you be more concerned with capturing the essence of each friend and the group of friends. I mean really, is a introverted personality going to grab the "mic". Does this happen in your companies at work? Some people get more face time, and it doesn't mean others aren't important. Anyway, maybe it's more pleasurable to be teased by the possibility of having seen one friend more than actually getting to see him alot in the movie. I remember the stories the Band told, and not so much who told them, but rather that the stories were about the group. I counted five guys, and then so so many more players. And everything was so cool!!! Life is a carnival, it's in the book, the videos, and the CDs old and new. Life is a carnival, take another look!

Thu Jan 28 19:56:17 MET 1999

David Powell

The manner in which _The Last Waltz_ was filmed always seems to provoke a debate. A few technical points should be kept in mind when discussing the film. Last June, when VH-1 aired the film, interviews with Scorsese & Robertson were included in which they talked about the making of TLW.

First of all, although he had previously worked on the Woodstock movie, Martin Scorsese was primarily a director of theatrical movies, rather than documentaries. He was used to staging & blocking out each shot before filming. Unlike a documentary, in which actual events are usually filmed as they happen in a cinema verite technique, Scorsese was a theatrical director who contrived the scenes before filming them. For the filming of TLW, Scorsese brought in the technical people he was used to working with in his movies.

Secondly, Scorsese filmed TLW using the same equipment that he used on his theatrical films, 35m cameras mounted on tracks, and chose to avoid using hand-held cameras. This static approach necessitated that the shots had to be scripted so the cameramen would know where to point the lenses.

In the VH-1 interview Scorsese remarked "...what we wound up doing, too, around that period, was that I got Robbie to write down the lyrics of each song, and -- in columns, a long piece of paper. And the lyrics here, and -- who's singing, the vocalists in this column, the instruments that were important at certain points in the song in this column, something else in this column. Then blank columns for camera movement -- and also for lighting." So it was Robertson who provided a guide to help Scorsese in figuring out how to block out the shots.

As Scorsese revealed in the interview, despite the experienced crew & the sophisticated equipment, they ran into a lot of technical difficulties in filming the concert scenes. Perhaps this was due to the fact that this genre did not suit their expertise. The concert was put together haphazardly and rehearsed rather quickly, so this chaotic atmosphere also contibuted to their difficulties.

In the end, it was Robertson who recruited Scorsese to film the event, chosing a theatrical rather than a cinema verite approach that someone like D.A. Pennebaker could have ably done. If you could choose one word to describe the results, it would most accurately be "Hollywood."

Thu Jan 28 19:16:56 MET 1999

Peter Viney

TLW: I inadvertently started the argument about Rick being on camera a lot, by which I meant “nearly as much as Robbie”. I really don’t think either of them were consciously hogging the spotlight. They were doing their thing. The guest was always centre stage, which is where Rick and Robbie were, so they’re both in a lot of shots. We’re reading things into it from later knowledge.

By “Live Aid” (much of it filmed in daylight, BTW) there were small cameras all over the stage, and you could cut wherever you wanted. In TLW, it would appear that they did not allow the needs of the film to rule the lighting plot, so that for a lot of the time the centre was best lit. Standing figures make better action. Rick and Robbie both appear delighted much of the time. I agree with Lars that there are some grimaces from Levon, but there are also shots of Levon looking delighted too, in spite of what was later said. Robbie was compering and tended to be further in. I don’t see any sign of Rick and Robbie fighting for position, quite the opposite. They appear mutually supportive. I love the palpable concentration on Rick’s face as he plays “Coyote” - they were trying hard. Levon often had to suffer a camera behind his head, which is disconcerting. That camera couldn’t be in front, or it would be between the guitar players and Levon, masking him from the audience. Because it was behind him, it was often shooting into the spotlights.

Scorsese made a (the?) great rock movie. He wasn’t trying to be fair, or rule over the internal politics. He was trying to make the most gripping film he could using what he had from his seven cameras. Just because you point a camera at someone it doesn’t mean that the results are going to be great or useable. Scorsese was using film not video. Nowadays, you might use digital Betacam so that you could (a) see what you were doing while you were doing it (b) feed the signal back to a bank of monitors so that you could direct the cameramen while they were working. If you were intent on using film, you would use digital video in tandem with the film cameras for monitoring. Think back to 76. In “Bill Graham Presents” RR says that Scorsese had pre-planned every move, but it didn’t work out. Also Graham would only allow one camera in a position to “interfere with the audience’s view of the show”, the master camera on a platform trained on the centre. Scorsese would only have really known what he had after the event. As RR says, spotlights blew in the show, wrecking the pre-planned shots, but it ended up looking twice as dramatic. Then come decisions. Robbie is extremely animated during the show. Good pictures. The light on Richard and Garth was poor. A lot of what he had on them must have gone in the trash. I’ve enjoyed re-watching bits this week. I don’t see any need to read the bad feeling back from the autobiography to the event. There were multiple cameras. The one on Robbie produced more useable shots. But if you’d been standing on the stage that day, you wouldn’t have known whether the camera pointing at you was doing anything useful or not. Robbie didn’t need to “hog” because one camera was on the centre but another six were pointing elsewhere. Presumably the camera pointing at Levon and the one on Garth were running all night. They would not have felt under-represented. The film is made in the cutting, not on the night.

Thu Jan 28 19:14:24 MET 1999

Beth

Wolf your insights and opinions are as important and valid as anyone, regardless what Brennan says! Yes Viney comes across as pompous and I might add patronizing and condescending. The same goes for David Powell and Donald Josepth. Pat Brennan seems like an interesting,intelligent,neat lady who doesn't have the need to post every single day like the previous mentioned. The term overkill comes to mind. Powell, Viney, Donnie-definatley BORING and by no means necessary to this Site and guestbook. FYI Danko is fine, nothing serious. Don't even attempt to discuss what you all don't know anything about! Petty rumour and gossip is destructive.

Thu Jan 28 18:59:59 MET 1999

Mitt Stampler

We just got a computer capable of connecting to the 'Net. This site was the first one we bookmarked--terrific! Tho I hate to hear that Rick Danko might be sick. Has anyone heard more on that, and are there any plans for a Jubilation tour?

Thu Jan 28 17:23:51 MET 1999

Bill Munson

Lars, I certainly wasn't trying to say that Danko was trying to hog the spotlight; I think he was trying to get into a few shots, and the best way of doing that was to position himself near Robertson. Nothing wrong with that!

Thu Jan 28 16:14:37 MET 1999

Lars Pedersen

BILL MUNSON: As a rule I agree with your posts. I consider you a valuable contributer to this guestbook. But if I read your last entry correctly, I disagree that Rick was trying to "hog" the cameras with Robbie at TLW. Rick was just up there doing his job. He was stuck in front of his monitor and mike and was getting caught in the crossfire of cameras that were aimed at Robbie. As for the other three members (Levon, Richard, and Garth, I always got the feeling they would rather just play and NOT be on the camera. Levon made some weird faces when he saw the camera zoom in on him, I always got the impression he was saying "THIS is what I think of your Last Waltz."

Thu Jan 28 15:31:49 MET 1999

Bill Munson

I think it's fair to say that Robertson set out to hog the limelight at the Last Waltz. But I don't think it's at all fair to say the same of Danko (as someone suggested here). Watching the movie, my impression was that Danko realised what was going on part way through the proceedings and after that started to move towards Robertson whenever he saw that the cameras were focussing that way. I'm sure the other three would have done so too had their instruments been as mobile as Danko's.

Thu Jan 28 14:57:23 MET 1999

Wolf

Viney: No, "dunno" is not better. Again, why would YOU know ? You come on as if you are all knowing, that you should know, but in this case you have no clue. And we're all supposed to think "Gee, that's too bad. Viney cannot enlighten us on this one. Shucks!" Stop all that pompous double talk. We all know that horsepuckey (is that british?) baffles brains.

Thu Jan 28 14:34:30 MET 1999

Mike

Mr Viney- I too apreciate your contributions to the site.However, I see no point in continuing to debate the Last Waltz Mic issue with you as once again you make clear that in your mind even when you're wrong you're right.

Thu Jan 28 11:32:04 MET 1999

Ilkka

THE GUESTBOOK BAND is - so far: David Powell, Mike (N.J.), Dexy, Rod (and myself). It's true what some of you have said: to sound like THE BAND is almost impossible. It makes me wonder, who stands behind this sound?

I'm sorry #1: It has happened that I have forgotten those magical http:// in my address. I'm ashamed, webmaster.

I'm sorry #2: I have used 'NL' uncarefully. It means Northern Lights to me but it also means Netherlands.What's worse, it means Russia in Finnish!

Thu Jan 28 10:21:30 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Mike from N.J: I don’t want to get into the “Levon-good; Robbie-bad” chant again, but …

“Caravan”: OK, on the “La La Las” without pictures all you can say is that there are multiple voices. You can’t say that RR’s voice isn’t there any more than I could say it was. I believe I can pick out three voices. I’d think Robbie was there judging by the highest voice on “The Complete Last Waltz” bootleg but not enough to bet real money on it. BUT the point is that Levon said Robbie’s mic was switched off all evening. What they might have done to the vocals on CARAVAN after the event is irrelevant to the point that Robbie and Rick shared a mic, which can’t have been switched off otherwise we wouldn’t have had Rick’s voice either. It’s clear from “The Complete Last Waltz” that they did work on improving the instrumental backing for the issued “The Last Waltz” on the piano, organ and bass on this track. Van Morrison books say his vocal was completely untouched, which I would bet on being right. Going from the “Caravan” bootleg to the official release, it’s the instrumental where you notice the differences not the lead nor backing vocals.

On TLW, the three greatest rock composers of our times all gather round one mic in “I Shall be Released” - Dylan, Van & Robbie. Uh, so that couldn’t have been switched off either. The major fault over Richard is Scorsese’s during filming. When you finally see Richard in the distance you can see there’s no camera operator anywhere near. This means he wasn’t “edited out” of the sequence. He was never filmed in the first place. Wolfgang: Perhaps the common expression “haven’t (got) a clue” isn’t in your vocabulary. Maybe you’ve looked it up in a dictionary and assumed that I was talking about a “clue” as a concrete piece of evidence pointing to a conclusion. It just means “dunno” - is that better? I was trying to appreciate the guy’s use of dialogue without expressing any opinion on intent or conclusion.

Thu Jan 28 05:54:30 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

As most of us know, Peter Viney is a valuable contributor to this site. Wolfgang's insights reveal little except his/her own shortcomings. Just saw a pristine copy of Eat The Document at Northwestern University. If you ever get the chance....

Thu Jan 28 04:12:42 MET 1999

twighlight

One of my recent discoveries is that on the rerelease of "Who's Next", the Who covers Baby Don't You Do It. Originally out of Motown, it was covered by the Band at about the same time (ROA). Both versions are great, and they came from different sides of the Atlantic. They are worth a listen.

Thu Jan 28 01:35:28 MET 1999

Mike

re Viney's comments that Robbie's mic must be on cause he shares one with Ric misses the point that many of the vocals were redone and sweetened after the fact.I can't hear Robbie's voice at all in that tune. Listen with your ears not your eyes.

Thu Jan 28 01:16:15 MET 1999

Wolfgang

Viney: why in the world would YOU of all people have a clue as to the accuracy of speculator's dialogue. Your constant underlying pomposity makes me gag. Cool it.

Wed Jan 27 23:03:43 MET 1999

Peter Viney

While we’re still on TLW:

What’s wrong with DRY YOUR EYES? Those who fast forward are missing a great piano part in the last section. And a great organ bit earlier on. Second drummer Dennis St John is invisible.

MANNISH BOY is stunning. And RR is as into it as anyone - note his audible interjections.

Levon’s curmudgeonly remark that they had to switch RR’s mic off doesn’t hold water. In CARAVAN Rick and Robbie share a mic, and both are audible on the La-La-Las. Can’t switch off one without the other.

As to Robbie hogging the limelight, you could say the same about Rick because both are standing up and in the middle. Richard is under-represented massively, but so is Garth.

Yes, they’re nervous of Dylan and it shows (but see Bill Graham Presents on the back-stage machinations).

Note the body language of the others when RR starts the “spitting blood” story. They’d heard it a hundred times and knew Levon told it better.

I don’t know whether “Speculator” is bullshitting or not, but I like his or her ability to write dialogue. I thought it was funny, though I have not a clue whether it’s accurate.

Wed Jan 27 21:23:28 MET 1999

Lars

No, Don, I didn't write the entry signed by "Speculator," although I found it amusing. In the words of Bob Dylan "It ain't me, babe." I think Speculator is a town in New York.

Wed Jan 27 18:25:40 MET 1999

Bones

For those who are interested: I believe the printed lyrics of "Out Of The Blue" is in the liner notes of Joe Cocker's Have A Little Faith record. I don't currently have it, but I remember seeing it.

To Diamond Lil: You mention that the Band had already drifted apart before the Last Waltz, and that certainly appears to be the case. However, how does one explain the fact that Robbie plays on Levon's RCO album, and hangs out with his old buddy during the RCO premiere party at Levon's barn?

Wed Jan 27 15:22:50 MET 1999

David Powell

_The Big Chill_ movie was released yesterday in the DVD format, and I picked up a copy as much for the soundtrack as the film itself. One of the features that DVD offers is that each scene in the movie is assigned a chapter number and can be directly accessed almost instantaneously. The chapters are given short titles and many of the scenes in _The Big Chill_ are simply described by the song that is played during the scene. Chapter 17, where various members of the cast drift in & out of the kitchen the morning after a big night, is entitled "The Weight." The movie has been digitally remastered in Dolby surround stereo and The Band's song, as well as the rest of the soundtrack sounds great.

I'd like to offer a musical thought for today in the form of a quote from the late Robert Shaw. Mr. Shaw, who just passed away the other day, became known as the world's greatest conductor of classical choral music, in addition to distinguishing himself as conductor of the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra for many years. He enjoyed working with amateur, as well as professional musicians, in choral works. He once remarked that: "Music, like sex, is too important to leave to the professionals."

Wed Jan 27 09:52:10 MET 1999

Rod

In jazz circles the term "monster" was used to describe someone who was amazing on his instrument eg 'that cat's a monster'.

I've never had much fun trying to get bands I've played in to play Band songs. My worst experience was with King Harvest - not the easiest of songs. We had a metal influenced guitarist trying to play country licks over it - aweful. Another band did do a good version of Long Black Veil - but nothing like any of The Band's versions.

I picked up All the Kings Men for $5 the other day. Duce is great - much better than the other tribute stuff I've heard the boys do.

Wed Jan 27 09:01:47 MET 1999

MICHAEL TROY

I'M VERY INTERESTED WHAT ROBBIE MIGHT BE DOING FOR DREAMWORKS. PLEASE RESPOND MICHAEL TROY

Wed Jan 27 08:07:39 MET 1999

Ragtime

Re The Well:

Thanks to Mark Bittner & Bud for your corrections to my transciption, which now looks to myself as made by Toshiba/EMI in Japan! Richard cared more for expression & emotion in his singing than for articulation, that's for sure. I heared "floor", "flow", "glove", but now I think "cloth(s)" could be correct. Robbie never was a dogmatic rhymer anyway, so everything is possible. I never heard the expression "to kill the light" before, but my daughter tells me it exists. Still worrying about "deep and blind/black". The woman could be "knowing" some "truth" beyond eyesight. And I liked the playing with words in "no question OF answer", but maybe it's just "OR". Did anyone notice the similarity in the subjects of The Well & the far more "primitive" Yazoo Street Scandal?

Wed Jan 27 05:29:16 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Diamond Lil, perhaps I'm being presumptuous but I don't think Donnie Joe's use of the word "monster" is what you were looking for. I humbly took DJ's post as a compliment. We will miss him Wednesday. I'm happy some people find NLSC dull; they can look forward to discovering the album's sundry delights at some point in the future. A reward for determination. And Speculator, I understand Ken Starr is going to need some TA's at Pepperdine pretty soon. Send a resume.

Wed Jan 27 05:05:04 MET 1999

Speculator

It's mid-day in New Orleans, early January, and despite the hour, the ringing telephone in the hotel room awakens him...

Lee: Hello?

Carm: Hey, Lee. Hope I didn't wake ya.

Lee: Well. Yeah, but...What's up, man? Is somethin' wrong?

Carm: Well as a matter of fact, Lee, yeah. Yeah, there is something wrong.

Lee: Whatsamatter, son?

Carm: We've got some serious cash flow problems downtown, and...

Lee: Aw, c'mon now Carm, I told you I ain't got another dime to put into it..

Carm: No, no, that's not it, Lee. No. I know about that. It's just ...me and the other partners had an idea...

Lee: Yeah?

Carm: Well couldn't you maybe talk to your friends, tell 'em, 'we can't pay you now. But just do these January gigs and we'll make it up to you real soon.'?

Lee: Are you shittin' me, son?

Carm: It's only temporary. I swear!

Lee: I can't do it. I can't!

Carm: You've got to. We got the builder after us, and the architect, and the whole damn waitstaff. There's no other way.

Lee: Dang. This is gonna make Ricky sick!

Wed Jan 27 04:49:54 MET 1999

Paul Bancroft

Finally managed to get a copy of Jubiliation and amwearing it out with constant playing. Is there some reason why it is not released in Australia? "It's been a long time comin' " but well worth it.

Wed Jan 27 03:30:56 MET 1999

Spider John

Brown-eyed Johnny

The Band does exist without Robbie Robertson. They are Jericho, High on the Hog & Jubilation. There is always the hope/chance and actuality of the magic they have made reappearing every time they appear. As old Neil would say- Long may they run! I hope for one more Carnegie Hall show and when the time comes that Levon sings Dont Wait I will be proud to be part of the standing ovation. If you are there, you will be too.

Wed Jan 27 02:39:05 MET 1999

Mike

I always had a hard time understanding all the Robbie bashing that goes on at this site- but now I'm a believer. After reading Doctor D's post on his suspicions about Robbie asking Clapton to drop his guitar on purpose, I decided to check it out. I played my copy of the Last Waltz in slow motion and invited a deaf friend to read Robbie's lips when he whispers.This is what he said."Yo,Clap. What do you say- how 'bout you drop your guitar kinda on-purpose-by-accident and I'll cover for you and it'll look so cool in the movie.If you do I'll let you meet my wife and maybe you'll fall in love with her,and after she breaks your heart you can write a follow-up to Layla." Clapton nods and the rest is history. You heard it here first folks.

Wed Jan 27 02:10:20 MET 1999

Tim

Re" Crossing the Great Divide" Boot; well worth the price. $60 is a better price than I was able to get it for. And Jan, again, thank you for all that you do. The translation is great. Lets hope Rick just started eating more salads and has had a bad reaction. Peace

Wed Jan 27 01:53:15 MET 1999

floorbird

First Levon and now Rick; what is going on?

Wed Jan 27 00:37:48 MET 1999

Rick Smith

I just called Levon's club and spoke with a very nice lady named Bridget. No new Band dates are scheduled. I asked why they cancelled the January dates and she replied that those dates were cancelled because "Rick Danko is very sick" (and that is a direct quote). I asked what the illness was and she said she didn't know, that she'd been told only that he was sick. Not trying to start new rumors, just reporting EXACTLY as I heard it from the person answering the phones at Levon's.

Tue Jan 26 23:57:14 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

Doctor D: You're "reading to far into the 'Robbies Ego Thing'". But I wouldn't call you a monster. That's just not polite.

Tue Jan 26 23:21:49 MET 1999

Magnus Magnusson

I have just discovered The Band and this site is a very good way to discover more of them. If it was more of these completely serious sites on the net then it would be the perfect medium. I didn't expect anything when I searched fore sites about "The Band". It was a big surprise to find this site. Keep up with the good work. Norwegian neighbours.

Tue Jan 26 23:02:42 MET 1999

Doctor D..

Please trust me I'm not Robbie bashing or criticizing anyone but I've always wondered about something.In TLW Robbie whispers something to My hero Eric Clapton,Eric agrees and they play "Further On Up The Road".It just seeme strange that EC should lose his guitar strap at aperfect time for Robbie to solo with a lone spotlight .This is just an observation,please tell me if I'm reading to far into the "Robbies Ego Thing".

Tue Jan 26 22:16:08 MET 1999

Uncle Hangover

JW, you probably want to get that boot, it's one of the better with The Band. Jan has a lot of stuff on it, it's full title is "Crossing the Great Divide, The Genuine Bootleg Series, Take 4". Look at

http://theband.hiof.no/albums/crossing_the_great_divide.html

and also P. Brennans review at

http://theband.hiof.no/albums/crossing_the_great_divide_brennan.html

I say "get it". I have it on DAT, it's even better when you get it for free, heheh.

Tue Jan 26 21:48:54 MET 1999

Just Wonderin'

I've been offered the Band's "Genuine Bootleg Series " vol 4 for $60.00. Anyone know anything about this? Is it worth it? Comments please. Thankyou!

Tue Jan 26 20:43:12 MET 1999

David Powell

For those of you who may be interested, details about the PBS Muddy Waters special are listed in a press release at the following website:

http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/kencen.html

Tue Jan 26 20:13:06 MET 1999

Dexy

OK, I'm stumped. So why DID The Band cancel the January N.O. dates? Doesn't appear to be health, based on Levon's continued appearances and the interview with Rick. ALSO -- thanks Jan for the translation. I continue to be amazed by your ability to do this page in a second language, and by the proficiency of yourself and others from around the globe. For a dope like me who only really understands one language, it's a godsend. Favorite song to play: MY old band (70-75) could only hope to play one: GET UP JAKE. I think it's fair to say the vocals didn't measure up.

Tue Jan 26 20:05:22 MET 1999

Paul Pearman

After seeing the Last Waltz several times, Neil Diamond has always seemed out of place. Other complaints are "I Shall Be Released", we miss out on Richard's great vocals and the only hilight for Richard is "Shape I'm In" which judging by the paleness of his face, is a good guess at his condition. thanx PP

Tue Jan 26 19:22:59 MET 1999

David Powell

When my friends & I get together to play music we invariably do a version of "The Weight" because that's a song that everyone usually knows. My personal favorite Band song that I like to play, however, is "Lonesome Suzie." Although it's a harder song to play & sing for someone of my limited proficiency on guitar, I always enjoy attempting to play it. A lot of people don't recognize the song and they usually say "wow, that's a great song, where did that come from?" It's a pleasure for me to tell the uninitiated that it's a song from the Band's first album and that it was written by Richard Manuel, not Robbie Robertson. It's fun to "spread the gospel" and turn people on to the Band's music. Unfortunately, most of the time, the only songs they hear played are "The Weight," "Up On Cripple Creek," or "Stage Fright."

Tue Jan 26 18:41:07 MET 1999

Ilkka

I help Mike (N.J.) and repeat his new topic for discussion: What is your favorite Band tune to play or sing. C'mon, let's have THE GUESTBOOK ALL STARS BAND here on this site!

Tue Jan 26 18:21:58 MET 1999

Bud

Danny Lopez: Great question. My information is that the cover photos on the official release of the Basement Tapes were shot in the basement of the Hollywood YMCA in 1975, a creative collaboration by Bob Cato, Robbie, Dylan and Reid Miles. I think I heard they got special permission to go in late at night with this incredible cast of characters, and it became quite a party.

Tue Jan 26 18:00:36 MET 1999

Bud

Re: The Well: Second thought, maybe it was her glove she dropped. Thanks for reminding me what a great (and overlooked) song this is...a real showcase.

Tue Jan 26 17:55:55 MET 1999

Danny Lopez

Another BT question:

To all the Band experts and those who might have been there, what's the story behind that BT cover photo? The credits say the pics accompanying the cd were snapped by Reid Miles. Were these actually taken in the basement of Big Pink? And why take such photos if there was no intention to release an official album?

Tue Jan 26 17:41:46 MET 1999

Roger Woods

Hep me - NLSC = Northern Lights, Southern Cross ROA = Rock of Ages

Tue Jan 26 17:12:16 MET 1999

Bud

Ragtime: Regarding lyrics to The Well, I think the version posted by Mark Bittner is close, except: second line, Desert woman; 7th line, I followed her tracks home and she said; chorus, She killed the light, she dropped her cloth; last verse, The well and her eyes were deep and black.

Tue Jan 26 15:41:46 MET 1999

Bill Munson

I got the Dylan 1966 live CD for Christmas, and have spent a fair bit of time listening to disk 2. A few observations:

Mickey Jones is outstanding, just powering things along. Style-wise, he's so much like Hal Blaine that it's easy to see why Johnny Rivers would have used him on tour. (Blaine, Rivers' studio drummer, certainly didn't need roadwork to pay the bills.)

Though I've had the vinyl bootleg forever, I'd never noticed how good Danko was, especially under such difficult circumstances. My favourite bit is the loose-string rumble that leads into "Baby, Let Me Follow You Down". While CP Lee's book has the snippet from "English Country Garden" (in the tuning segment before "Tell Me, Momma") played by Garth on organ, it sure sounds like a guitar to me. And anyway, Garth wouldn't have skated over the melody so minimally.

Does anybody know if they always / often / ever used "English Country Garden" during the tuneup, or was this (as it sounds to me) just a wry but playful comment on the differences between an English country garden and an English city trade hall (full of probably hostile people). I'd also note that the same snippet of ECG was the theme song of a CBC children's show of the early '60s. Perhaps one of the Canadian yuppies in the crowd will remember the name of the show. Maybe Maggie Muggins?

Final thought: Dylan must've been a very great leader. Imagine the strength it took to, while dealing with all the abuse directed at himself, keep five salaried musicians not only on the job but so motivated that they'd turn in some of the most remarkable performances in the history of rock!

Tue Jan 26 15:38:11 MET 1999

Hep Me One Mo Time!

Pat Brennan talks about "ROA". What's that. Maybe down the masthead could be a short forms list for those of us not in the groove.

Tue Jan 26 15:33:26 MET 1999

Hep' Me!

I know that i will appear not too bright; but could someone publish a short forms table for this site.

I am not a professional "chat room" person so forgive me. it took me awhile to figure out "BTW" and lately "IMO" has shown up. Figured those out eventually. What though is "NLSC"? I need a table of contents or somethin. I know it's not Jubliation. What's he talkin about?

Tue Jan 26 14:56:20 MET 1999

Rick Smith

TO LIL: It's either the camera lens, an old photo, or Rick lost a lot of weight in a couple weeks. I saw him(with the Band) January 2 and he looked big as ever (also appeared pretty tired and weary). BTW, as I noted before, the rest of the guys (most notably, Levon) looked healthy, fit, and happy.

Tue Jan 26 14:45:10 MET 1999

Brown-Eyed johnny

I think all of Levon's supporters are acting like babies. The Band was Robbie Robertson, Levon Helm, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, and Garth Hudson. Quit dumping on Robbie. The Band without Robbie is like the Bealtes without John or Paul or George or Ringo. The Band doesn't exist without Robbie.

Tue Jan 26 12:57:13 MET 1999

SN

Jan Hoiberg: You're doing a great job. I especially like the pictures. Keep it up!

Tue Jan 26 12:53:01 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

Forgive me Donald Joseph for borrowing your line, but it's the only one that fits here.

Martin, you're a monster.

Did anyone check out the new photo of Rick Danko that Jan posted? I just saw him a month ago, and well..he seems to bne half the man he used to be in that photo. Certainly not a bad thing, but a very big change in a very short timespan. Has anyone seen him within the past week or so?

Tue Jan 26 12:21:44 MET 1999

Martin

At the risk of offending people, I happen to think that NLSC is a rather lame album. While the songs are of fair quality, the arrangements are terribly bland and the performances have none of the intensity and passion present on the much maligned( and in my opinion,superior) Cahoots. While the harmonies on the overated 'Arcadian Driftwood' might be seen by some as a return to form, they are terribly predictable, almost manufactured and have none of the spontaniety of the call/response vocals characteristic of the first couple of albums. To me it seems that the players are merely going through the motions( with the possible exception of 'forbidden fruit') with the slick production also a contributory factor. Only the Live versions on TLW do the songs justice( having heard TLW versions before NLSC I was appaled at how dull their studio counterparts sounded). It is made even more dissappoining by the high quality of the extra tracks on TLW, indicating the boys were still perfectly capable of producing quality ouput, even at this late stage. I think an albums worth of material matching the quality of 'the well','evangeline' and 'out of the blue' would have beat NLSC hands down in the popularity stakes.

Tue Jan 26 09:13:01 MET 1999

rod

Donnie J: The Neville Brother's version of Mystery Train on Brothers Keeper has Robbie's lyrics (but no credit).

Ragtime, your dead right about the studio tracks on TLW. The Well in particular suggests what a Band album recorded after TLW might have sounded like. This is Garth at his best with some stinging guitar from Robbie. Between Trains and some of the stuff on "Robbie Robertson" sort of picks up this thread. What Band stuff that followed lapsed back into more of a country sound.

Tue Jan 26 08:08:05 MET 1999

Ragtime

It's the last waltz, the last waltz, the last waltz with you... but that don't mean the party's over...

Let me tell ya something. I have a confession to make. Sometimes I watch the video of The Last Waltz, but I never listen to five of the six LP-sides any more. So I expect some "flaming" from you guys. It's the sixth side that I love. I bought the cd version only for the studio tracks. The concert ends their great past, but these tracks point to their future as a studio group. A future that included Robertson. If one member wants to quit the endless highway of performing on the road, nobody can force him to stay on. But it was intended to continue making studio albums & these six tunes show clearly what a pity it was they were driven apart to a situation that made their reunion impossible. Listening to an absolutely incredible, impressive song as The Well makes you realize that a great future was cut off. It's tantalizing to know that this end was never intended when they recorded these songs.

Something else about The Well: I transcibed the lyrics & Jan included them in the site, but I'm very uncomfortable with a few lines. Especially the first two lines of the chorus don't make sense to me. Any help?

Donnie: stung by the submission bug, are you? I agree: "Last night" is startling. Richard at his best.

Tue Jan 26 07:30:23 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

Pat Brennan, you're a monster. John Donabie & Peter Viney -- thanks. I should've remembered "No Reason to Cry" (Woody), "Put it in your Ear"(Butters), & Danko's solo l.p. (Woody) -- I own & love all those albums.

It looks like the Staples have the distinction of being the only Last Waltz act with whom no one from The Band had ever recorded. For that matter, no Band man has ever recorded with a Staples to this day, outside of TLW. I believe the Staples had covered The Weight, & I know the 1st Staples l.p. after TLW was released included a cover of "Mystery Train," but I believe it did not contain Robbie's lyrics. In fact, "Train" has been recorded a lot since "Moondog," but never with RR's extra words (except of course for TLW).

A big benefit of of being a Jan's-site-junkie is learning new stuff. I recently learned the "No Reason to Cry," CD version, contains a bonus blues tune on which Richard sings. So although I owned the record, today I bought the CD (cost: $9.99). The tune is fantastic -- a great Richard vocal. All Band freaks should have the CD: Besides that Richard vocal, you get Ricky singing on his own tune "All our Past Times," plus Robbie on the Dylan duet "Sign Language," as well as the over-produced "Beautiful Thing," co-written by Richard & Ricky. What an artifact!

Here's a tidbit: "Guitar Player" magazine ran the following in the mid-'70's (I had kept the clipping in my record copy of "No Reason to Cry"):

Q: "Who plays the guitar lead on the Eric Clapton/Bob Dylan duet 'Sign Language'?"

A:"Robbie Robbertson of The Band plays lead on that cut, using a left-hand vibrato in combination with tremolo bar technique. Says Robertson, 'I think that may be the best I've gotten that thing off. He [Clapton] had already tried about 3 really fine guitar players, including himself, and decided he didn't like any of them, so it was kind of an intimidating situation. It made me rise to the occasion or something.'"

All 5 Band members are thanked on the l.p. back cover, but the "appears courtesy of Capitol records" credit lists only Richard/Ricky/Robbie. I don't hear Levon or Garth on the album -- do you?

As to my attending "Eat the Doc." -- unfortunately the same night as the Muddy special: All Chicagoans know Buddy Guy spends the month of Jan. doing shows in his club "Legends" (I assume this is patterned after Clapton's month of stands annually in London -- Buddy has guested at these London EC shows). My bad luck: I've got tix to see Buddy on Wed. -- the same night as "Eat the Doc." & the Muddy special! The Chi.Reader confirms "Eat the Doc." is 1 night only. I may be asking to borrow a videotape of the Muddy show from one of you guys, & I miss "Eat the Doc." as well! Life is tough in Chi. We are bedeviled by choices! Oh, to be a Eurolander! (It's a joke, Viney.)

Tue Jan 26 05:31:16 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

I remember a 1971 show at the Arie Crown Theater here in Chicago, in October just a couple of months before ROA. After the shown an old pal said to me something to the effect that Robbie seemed out of place in the group. He dressed better than everyone else and he was more animated onstage. Kinda like what some people complain about in TLW. It's pretty easy to argue that the group "drifted apart" after the Brown Album, that taking the show on the road destroyed that ephemeral genius-thing that helped produce the first two albums. RR seems to nod in that direction when he talks about how the road took some great ones, and he didn't want that happening to him. Of course, he then proceeded on a well-documented bender that put Scorcese in the hospital. Someone posted that NLSC is one of their best albums. You're right, mainly because the material matched the talents for one last time. Why did that happen? One last rally? The poster was also correct about the shows in 76. The Palladium show--infamous in that RR announced his decision soon thereafter--absolutely smokes. NLSC was well-represented in that show which belies artistic stagnation. But boys grow up and men move out and on. Anyone read Hegel? There's this theory of the "weltgeist," a spirit that descends on a nation and raises it to greatness only to move on before the nation realizes it. The music weltgeist landed on the boys--sheparded by Zimmy--in 65 and hung around through 69. They came out and showed us all what it was like; then they tried to duplicate the spirit. We are all very lucky that they touched us. Complain about TLW if you want, but do me a favor. Play Dixie and watch the boys. Listen to the crowd when they do that descending line that brings the chorus back one last time. If I have to fast forward through Neil Diamond so I can have Dixie in my VCR, I'm willing to pay that price.

Tue Jan 26 03:28:29 MET 1999

Mike

I must respectfully disagree with Lil about the Band having drifted apart before the Last Waltz. Whatever the personal problems and ego trips they were experiencing,(and what band doesn't have those?) the Band was a working, recording unit that was still creating great music. The Last Waltz was held on a date that was the last stop on a tour scheduled way before anyone dreamed of the end.This tour saw some great shows.Bootlegs bear this out. I think that this is one of the reasons that the rest of the Band were so blind-sided by Robertson's decision to shut it down.NLSC is IMO one of their best albums.They all were heavily active in side projects.The music was not the reason that it all came down.When in doubt-I think it's best to hear what those who were there have to say.Robertson said that he was tired of the grind and wanted to go out with a dignified bang-up party.He did just that. Do I wish that they had made 5 more records? You bet. But I'm thankful for what they did and the class they always showed-on tape,on stage, and off.

Tue Jan 26 03:20:31 MET 1999

peter figliola

jan: any chane of getting the danko interview translated? love your site, thank you for all of you efforts. Where is the tour to support jubilation?

Tue Jan 26 02:47:00 MET 1999

Andrew

I am heading out to the left coast in February (LA) and one of my objectives is to vist Shangri-La. Does anyone have directions or a general idea of its location?

For TLW, I believe Neil Diamond was included in film primarily for the sake of RR. As Bones mentions, he did represent Tin Pan Alley, but I think that Doc Pomus would have been a better fit (imagine Richard signing "Save the Last Dance for Me"). Just a thought.

Tue Jan 26 01:45:11 MET 1999

J. Croce

I agree with Diamond Lil. Without TLW the boys could have started up again after they got sloing out of their systems.

Tue Jan 26 01:29:46 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

BONES: You ask if it would've been better for Robbie to just drop the whole Last Waltz idea and let the original Band drift apart.

I think so. At least it would've been more honest. For all intents and purposes, the Band had already drifted apart. Sorry, but that's a fact. Everything else was just staged for cinematic effect. And Robbie's ego. And money.

Ask Levon. Ask Rick. Ask Garth.

Remember Richard.

Tue Jan 26 00:48:52 MET 1999

Bones

Have we really been reduced to picking apart pieces of what is generally consisered the greatest movie of rock and roll of all time?

Would it have been better if Robbie decided to drop the whole Last Waltz idea and just have the original Band drift apart?

I don't think so. So what if Neil Diamond seems out of place. It is argued that Diamond represents a segment of rock and roll(Tin Pan Alley) which should be addressed. I wonder how many Diamond fans got turned on to the Band as a result.

Mon Jan 25 20:45:10 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Donald, TLW (BTW, what have you got against us fine Europeans?)

The good Dr: played on this pre-TLW - 1) “Small Town Talk” on “Bobby Charles, where he played organ, bass pedals and rhythm guitar. Levon played drums; also “Long Face” with Rick, Levon & Garth; You mentioned this session, but if this is a “lost Band album” the collaboration was significant. 2) “Don’t Think … Feel” by Neil Diamond from “Beautiful Noise.” produced by RR. (Bob Boucher played bass on both this & the Jesse Winchester) Uh, so Dr John knew Neil too … 3) Maria Muldauer’s “Waitress in A Donut Shop” on which Dr John plays and Garth receives “special thanks”

Butterfield: Recorded Rick Danko/ Bobby Charles’ “Small Town Talk” on “It All Comes Back”. In 1976 Butterfield cut “Put It In Your Ear” with Levon & Garth. Richard Bell’s on there too. As you mention, Butterfield also appears on “Muddy Waters Woodstock Album” produced by Levon in 1975 (Garth’s on it too).

Staples: just admiration I guess as John Donabie points out

Joni Mitchell: “Raised on Robbery” from Court & Spark has RR on guitar. Also “Canadian Mafia” cf Neil Young

Ronnie Wood: Eric Clapton’s “No Reason To Cry” cut at Shangri-La in March 1976 featured The Band and Woody. He had played or was just about to play lead on Rick Danko/ Bobby Charles’ song “What a Town” on Rick’s solo album. Might be as a result of TLW. Hard to date it - Rick says he was already working on it. Also played on Kinky Friedman “Lasso From El Paso” as did Rick, Levon & Richard earlier in 1976. Hawkins says the line up for “Kinky” was Levon, Woody, Clapton, Danko.

This exercise shows they focussed on recent friends. Muddy Waters had just worked with Levon; Butterfield & Charles with Danko ; Joni and Neil Diamond with RR; Thought Woody was friendly with Richard; Garth played on a lot of it. Seems reasonably distributed.

Mon Jan 25 20:20:24 MET 1999

David Powell

Fans of Muddy Waters here in the States are in for a treat this week, as the Public Broadcasting System is set to televise a tribute to the late bluesman. The program, entitled "The Kennedy Center Presents: A Tribute to Muddy Waters, King of the Blues," is scheduled to air on selected PBS stations Wednesday, Jan. 27th at 8:00 p.m. ET (check your local listings as they say). It was taped at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington, D.C. in October 1997. It was taped in high definition, letterboxed format with digital stereo audio.

The program includes performances of many of the songs that Mr. Morganfield made famous by performers & back up musicians including Greg Allman, Bo Diddley, Buddy Guy, John Hiatt, Robert Jr. Lockwood, Keb' Mo, Phoebe Snow, Koko Taylor, Peter Wolf, "Big Bill" Morganfield (Muddy's son), Mem Shannon, Nick Gravenites, Bob Margolin, Charlie Musselwhite, Johnny Johnson, and the G.E. Smith House Band. In addition to the musical portion, the program includes documentary footage & interviews with artists including Keith Richards & Bob Dylan, documenting Muddy's influence. Rare footage of Muddy performing with the Rolling Stones is included. I'm getting my VCR warmed up for this one! Oh yeah, everything's gonna be alright!

Mon Jan 25 17:23:31 MET 1999

Jan H.

Just testing (for portability purposes, we may be moving the Band web site to a new host soon, the one we're using now is overworked and somewhat unstable).

Mon Jan 25 12:31:54 MET 1999

Jeppe Nielsen

You have very nice web pages, I think the best music site I have seen on the net. Thank you for all the work. Is there any other Danish fans of The Band here?

Mon Jan 25 07:41:28 MET 1999

wyatt mims

I was wanting to find out some more information on Garth and Levon's work on Mercury Rev's latest... Are you guys still looking for young songwriter's? I really like the experimental nature of the Deserter's Songs disc,hope to hear more stuff like that.. By the way we love the last record here in Tennessee. Well I hope everyone stays healthy and happy through the new year and on...take it easy...but take it!

Mon Jan 25 06:00:39 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Donnie Joe, I vividly recal a Dr. John quote describing his encounter with the Hawks at some gas station in the middle of nowhere. Doc was out with Frankie Ford or somebody like that and he recalled Levon's rather edgy driving skills. Concerning Butterfield, Robert Palmer wrote that the Hawks met Butter and Bloomfield in Chicago. He also states that the Hawks hung a bit at the Brill Building where they met Diamond, Doc Pomus, and Leiber & Stoller. Are we gonna see you in Evanston on Wednesday?

Mon Jan 25 05:25:32 MET 1999

John Donabie

TO DONNIE JOSEPH:

The prerequisite for being invited to play at the LW were a number of things.

1.) Played with in the past

2.) Recorded or worked with in the studio

3.) Admired... or had been influenced by...

The Band always loved the Staple Singers. With Pop and Mavis; who could disagree. Diamond was Robbie's choice; but Muddy was Levon's. Levon has always loved the music of Muddy Waters. Butter had been a friend for years and even though Bobby Charles had recorded in Bearsville, I think they admired his songwriting first and foremost. Robbie & Joni were very close friends around this time, as well as recording together. RAGTIME:

I agree with your comments about Dylan appearing to take charge in his segement. If you watch the Ronnie Hawkins segement you will also notice Robbie's attention to the teacher. It is my opinion that Robbie (no matter what anyone thinks of him) is one who respects "teachers" in his life. Yes I know that Robbie and the Band taught Bob some things; but without tour 66 and the influence of Zimmy we can only wonder if Big Pink would have happened at all; or to say the least, taken the direction that it did. The bottom line is that Hawkins and Dylan were two people that took The Band to another level. I think that Robertson was aware of that and it shows. Levon gives off this feeling during Muddy's performance. Because I was backstage for this event...actually just to the left of Richard behind the curtain, I picked up these things. It will be 23 years this year since the LW and it still feels like yesterday sometimes.

Mon Jan 25 04:35:12 MET 1999

Bill

The Joni Mitchell connection to TLW was that Robbie played lead on "Raised On Robbery" from "Court & Spark", maybe on other songs as well. I don't have the LP, just a cassette, so I can't verify the credit. I had hoped to see Dr. John wander in for a song or two on New Years Eve since he had been in NOLA a few nights before, but no luck. I believe he has lived in LA for many years but visits NOLA often. Hope he stops in at Levon's during Jazzfest!

Mon Jan 25 03:17:26 MET 1999

Donnie Joseph

Stanley Landau: You're a monster.

Those of you into "Washer Woman": Are y'all familiar with the Dr.'s 1970 original from the "Remedies" album, called "Wash, Mama, Wash"? It's a vastly different song, spacey, trippy, from the Night Tripper gris-gris era. It's fascinating to hear how the RCO's molded it into an R&B song.

Aside to you Euro belly-achers: "Remedies," along with other early Dr. l.p.'s, have never been released on CD stateside. I picked 'em all up, though, in Barcelona -- they are available in Euroland -- or at least they were in the early '90's. Also, to Canadians: Records in your country are about half the price they cost in the states.

So kwicherbitchin.

Am I the only one deeply into Graham Parker's '91 "Struck by Lightning" album, on which Honeyboy guests?

Here's a TLW query: I always understood that the boys had invited guests to TLW with whom they had previously recorded IN THE STUDIO, either on Band albums (Van) or on the guests' l.p.'s. But there are 5 guests who -- although friends & influences of the Band -- I cannot tag to any specific pre-'76 studio album. I've got every other guest accounted for EXCEPTthese 5: The Dr., Woody, Staples, Butters, & Joni Mitchell. Had the Band previously recorded with them? If so, where? [Re Butters: He's a fellow sideman on Muddy's Woodstock album. Is this the only connection? And the Dr. is a fellow sideman on Bobby Charles's album -- is this the only connection? Incidentally, the Dr.'s "Thanks" on ROA doesn't count for squat.]

Mon Jan 25 02:26:46 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

If you listen to the Complete Last Waltz, it is shocking to hear how poorly Richard performs. His piano playing is atrocious (wrong keys, missed notes, etc.) he forgets words when he is singing. He just sounds really out of it, not to mention that his voice is quite hoarse in the mid to later part of the concert. The version of Acadian Driftwood is wonderful except for Richard's struggle to hit the notes. Maybe this explains why there is so little Richard in the film, although there was a lot of overdubbing. By the way, talking about overdubbing, I was pleasantly surprised to hear that most of Robbie's licks were right on the first time, although the tone and mix were adjusted for the film and album.

Mon Jan 25 02:02:05 MET 1999

Rod

Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun - so I'm sitting here on a hot Monday afternoon playing on the PC.

I remember reading the liner notes in Emmylou Harris's box set. She said Robbie rang her up and asked her to appear in TLW to represent their country side. Emmylou's response was "why don't you get Dolly Parton!".

Maybe instead of Dylan (and Richard) doing I Shall Be Released at the end of the movie they could have got Bobby Charles to do See You Later, Alligator. If nothing else it could have given Robbie an excuse to rejoin The Band in the eighties. As for Neil Diamond, he's written some good songs (and twice as many bad ones) and I enjoyed his bit in the movie. At least he didn't do September Morn.

Mon Jan 25 01:38:24 MET 1999

Buzzy Scoots

The Dead and Floyd overated? David Gilmour, like Robbie was an underated blues guitar player, talk about note bending, wow. No, my vote for most overated group goes to the Velvet Underground. Poseurs for sure,

Mon Jan 25 00:17:30 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

RAGTIME: I've mentioned before how disheartening it is to watch the "Released" segment of TLW without even a glimpse of Richard. A beautiful, lonely voice coming out of the shadows. One has to wonder though, just who was responsible for all but eliminating him from the music portions of the film? I know that there's a whole lot more of that night on film, and one has to wonder if it was a conscious decision during the editing to keep Richard in the shadows. Not entirely convinced that Scorcese "missed" the moment. Any thoughts?

Sun Jan 24 23:45:23 MET 1999

Ragtime

Re Dylan & The Last Waltz:

I always considered the end of the concert as the most revealing. We have been watching Robertson acting as the leader of the whole show, but from the very moment Dylan comes up it is very obvious who's the real sovereign. He rules through a few winks & everybody, RR included, is his slave. Yes it's a Dylan show from that moment on, but it's revealing. And like everybody else I've always wondered where Richard's unstable, emotional voice in "I Shall Be Released" was coming from. Not from behind Neil Diamond's sunglasses, that's for sure. Scorsese should never have missed that moment.

Re Washer Woman

Joe Mango: I know nothing about your father-in-law or his $1-$3.80 reference. An American expression we don't know about on the European continent? Maybe your inlaws are friends of Dr. Rebennack? Sorry I can't contribute anything to the fruit discussion. Would love to, but I'm hindered by this huge watermelon that I'm eating right now. Squashy affair.

Sun Jan 24 23:32:34 MET 1999

Dean Brando

catbalu...you a stubby kaye fan?.....i have fond memories of a bar named cat ballou.....labor day weekend, 1980, East Hampton-----fun fun fun

Sun Jan 24 23:06:41 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

As an addition to Peter Viney's post, I believe I recall Ennylou opening for the boys on the summer portion of the 1976 tour.

Sun Jan 24 22:57:48 MET 1999

catbalu

About this food thing...I've always been told that strawberries are symbolic of wealthy women and peaches of the more common kind. Spices, tho, THAT'S the heavy stuff. Therefore could it be ---- what's on a person's mind when they're hungry or maybe just an agregarian vs. commercial type of thinkin goin on... New Orleans trip, stumbled (of course) into this place: http://www.geocities.org/BourbonStreet/Delta3699/.... put together by a strawberry it seems who used to live in New Orleans. friendly info on restaurants, hotels, old plantations, etc. and ghosts (gotta have ghosts). there's no garauntee that the http address is right (looovvvve that BACK button!) but hopefully the ex will still be able to give some good inside info when i talk to him -the best boudin and muffellatta (can't spell), best mid-range $$ hotel, safest streets for people who don't trust their judgement at 2 a.m., etc., the non-tourist route. anybody else w/knowledge, it's welcome. as for country complements, y'know i've always thought that hoyt axton would have sounded nice w/them. he's always seemed to handle the light and heavy with a graceful spirit - and the river will rock and the river will roll........carry me down to the sea... what is "flaming?" everybody have a nice day.

Sun Jan 24 19:23:23 MET 1999

Tom Philbin

Hi Band fans.I'd like to add my two cents to the raging Last Waltz/Neil Diamond issue-who cares? I like alot of ND's music but his song is one of my least fav. parts of the show(his suit kills me too). The thing I hate is that it turns into a Bob Dylan showcase at the end. It's awful that during the song "I Shall Be Released" the film makers don"t get a decent shot of Richard singing his wonderful verse - instead there is a long shot from the back row, and in fact, Neil Diamond and Dr. John suddenly realize that they are standing right in front of Richard while he is singing and quickly move out of the way. Also, during the last verse, if you listen carefully, Richard sings in his beautiful falsetto alond with Dylan-but no shot of him. This is far more aggrivating to me than anything. Don't get me wrong I love Dylan but it was about THE BAND. One last thing- I was upstate last year and hunted down Big Pink and took a photo just like THE photo. It looks great.

Sun Jan 24 18:36:09 MET 1999

Dennis Handfield

the web site is very cool keep the spirits

Sun Jan 24 18:08:33 MET 1999

George Gawartin

Since John Prine has been mentioned twice lately, I’d like to ask a question I had when I was listening recently to the John Prine Anthology, I was reminded of an interview of Prine about 15-20 years ago in the LA Times where he said that the 3 best concerts he had seen were the Band at_____, Bob Marley and the Wailers at the Roxy, and ________. Can anyone fill in the blanks?

I listened to Islands a couple of times last week and had the same feeling I did when it came out 20 years ago…boring. The 3 tracks on it I like are Let the Night Fall, Saga…, and Living in a Dream. For me Islands is the weakest effort by the Band. I strongly disagree with Sundae’s opinion of Monody Matinee. I was listening to Share Your Love today and it’s tremendous. Richard’s vocal is great. Back to Islands I don’t feel that Georgia is as strong as other fans proclaim. It sounds to me that Richard doesn’t quite hit all the notes and the arrangement is pedestrian. I can imagine Richard had sung that song better in his stronger years. Is that the same version that was released as a s

Sun Jan 24 17:27:59 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

REF. MERL SAUNDERS: For you Band fans that don't know who Merl is, click the above web site, and you will see pictures of RICK DANKO, JERRY GARCIA'S X-wife, Mountain Girl, Buffie St. Marie, ect. Lots of history in photos of Merl, and thats why I'm stoked about him being on our (2-bit) show! http://www.merlsaunders.com/photo.htm Peace, Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

Sun Jan 24 15:07:26 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Postscript: Mango Joe, you’re right. There’s a whole world of reference out there. I just remembered the eggplant in John Barth’s “The Sot Weed Factor” let alone various references to cherries. Maybe it’s Neil Diamond’s use of “Cherry Cherry” as a song title that has turned so many people here against him. I’m sure my face will turn bright red with embarrassment tomorrow morning in the supermarket.

Seriously, I’m still not sure that Neil Diamond deserves the criticism directed at his TLW performance. I posted on this before Christmas, but I think he represented a whole branch of music, Brill Building pop. They claimed they were trying to show all their roots in TLW, but as I said in the previous post, they ignored Country. They may have been aware of this, which is why they added “Evangeline” with Emmylou Harris. I wouldn’t expect to find her in the Country section in a store necessarily.

So, who should they have chosen to represent “pop” and country at TLW? It had to be someone they had some kind of connection with, which is how Diamond got in. We can be grateful that they did not select Tiny Tim from their history instead. As for “Dry Your eyes”, both Garth and Robbie had played on the original record. Elsewhere on “Beautiful Noise” you can Find Dr John, Larry Knechtel , Tom Scott, Bob James, Jim Keltner. A good line-up.

I can’t think who they could have chosen from the country field - I can think of a lot of people they have expressed admiration for, but not really one who directly influenced their career before 1976. Levon subsequently worked with The Jordanaires (Blue Moon of Kentucky) and Johnny Cash and Charlie Daniels (Jesse James), but in 1976 this was in the future. Pity, as Johnny Cash would have looked impressive.

The most obvious uninvited guests were John Hammond, who they had had a lot to do with, and Jesse Winchester, who cut one of the best non-Band albums with Band input. I must admit that commerciality, which saw Bobby Charles left out of the movie, seems the chief motivation.

Sun Jan 24 14:46:29 MET 1999

Ilkka

RE: MIKE N.J., Sun Jan 24 - You asked about the favorite Band tunes to play.

Our band played THE WEIGHT, instrumentally. I played the harmonica. When we reached that characteristic point (...aaa...aaa...aaand...) the song kind of a stopped. It didn't help that I tried Sonny Boy Williamson's trick to get a better sound and cooked(!) my harmonica in a secret liquid. It was obvious that these tunes need the vocals.

There is a town called Fiddletown in Gold Country in California. They have a General Store which is 150 years old (and that's about all there is). They had 2 or 3 worn out banjos. I picked up one of them and sat down to the floor. When I played the first moaning notes of OLD DIXIE - believe or not - the tears of joy came into my eyes.

Sun Jan 24 14:29:15 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Joe Mango: So you want me to talk dirty, huh? Fruit / sex references spread across many cultures, for obvious reasons. Figs, pomegranates and bananas are the obvious ones, though carrots (vegetables count too) and cucumbers have their adherents. Potatoes, grapefruit and melons are secondary sexual references. Grace slick's autobiography has a couple of interesting comparisons. I don't know if any serious linguistic studies have been done on this.Perhaps you should do a survey given your interest in produce? RR seems less interested. It's Levon who has the songs about peaches, strawberries and watermelons.

Sun Jan 24 14:02:53 MET 1999

Joe Mango

Hey Ragtime

I like Washer Woman too. Whats with $1- $3.80 reference? My father in law says that sometimes too? What's with all the fruit/sex references in Lee's work and with The Band? Think this is the subject for a Viney monograph! You listening Mr. Viney? Get some fruit off the Viney> Like to hear your thoughts.

Sun Jan 24 08:56:59 MET 1999

Ragtime

One of my favourite Levon tunes is "Washer Woman", written by... the Doctor. As opening to RCO All Stars it's irresistably charming.

BTW LIL: VAT means "Value Added Tax" which is in Dutch BTW = "Belasting Toegevoegde Waarde" & the reason why CD's in Holland are more expensive than they should be.

Anyway: all Capitol Band cd's are easily available here at budgetprice in the "better" record stores as the PLATO chain. They stock the three reunited Band albums as well at a far higher price. But the cd I most frequently come across is the recent "Very Best" compilation. It was reviewed (favourably) in one newspaper "De Volkskrant". The author remembered the old days & focused on TLW & Richard's death, but spilt not a word on Jubilation...

Sun Jan 24 08:18:59 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

Y'all know the Doctor, Dr. John...Mac Rebennack? Well, I saw him last night at the Chi-town House of Blues. Nice set, but behind him he only had a bass, guitar, & long-time drum-man Herman Ernest III -- I prefer his big band (with horns) sound.

Related to The Band: The Dr. has, for years now, made "Such a Night" a centerpiece of his set. Last night was no different. His arrangement last night was, at first, almost exactly like TLW -- the backup musicians sang the "If I Don't Do It, Somebody Else Will" choruses with gusto approaching our boys. My ear was searching out Robbie's guitar fills!

But when the Dr. got to that trilling piano coda at the end, he extended it into a several-minute, many-bar piano solo (as he's been doing for years). Then he came back into the song -- just like the Dead coming back from a jam into the song that they'd jammed out of long before. The Dr. even got in a few more choruses of "If I Don't Do It."

During the show I found myself, eys closed, focusing on the intricacy of the Dr.'s piano-playing. He is the greatest lead-piano player in rock-'n'-roll history (no sleight to the boys: Garth is chiefly organ, & Richard was rythym piano).

The Dr.'s always been one of my favorites, & his piece of TLW has always been one of my favorite bits in the film. I remember Chi. Trib. film critic Gene Siskel in '78 gave TLW his highest 5-star rating, & he said "Such a Night" was his favorite scene in the film! I can't argue. "Thank yas to The Band and all the fellas."

I like the recent talk of availability of Band records in stores: Since I was a kid in the 70's until (literally) today, whenever I go into a record store to check it out I always head, first, to the Band section -- to size up the store. I now see the rest of you do too! (We know, 99.9%, that we're not going to find anything new in there. We check out The Band to size up The Store....But I must say that when "Watkins Glen" came out I had not read advance word of it, so seeing it in a bin almost blew my shorts off.)

I've noticed in recent years ROA is the same price as single albums -- this is true 100% of the time, yet virtually no other 2-disc set, on Capitol or otherwise, is priced this way. I've marvelled at this. I saw ROA in a store today, both discs, for $9.99.

Jerry Crow: LOTSA LUCK, MOWHAWK BROTHER!!! But sorry, I don't believe your story: "USF," which you mention as behind your benefit, is in Tampa, 150 miles away from the college-town home of UF, "Gainesville" -- where you claim your phony benefit will be held. Robbie's not dumb. He won't show unless you get your story straight: Say it's either a "UF benefit in Gainesville" or a "USF benefit in Tampa/St. Pete."

Sun Jan 24 06:25:42 MET 1999

MIC

I'll keep this short. I hope this doesn't start 'flaming' or any big discussion. Everyone is entitled to state their OPINIONS. Levon, in his book "This Wheel's On Fire" makes it clear Neil Diamond had NO history at all with The band. NONE. Levon was there! Robbie did produce Neil Diamond's "Beautiful Noise" album, and Robbie invited him to The Last Waltz. As for any history going way back, no way. Just Robbie's association with Diamond on 'Beautiful Noise.' No, I'm not bashing RR or Diamond, just stating a fact.

Sun Jan 24 04:05:27 MET 1999

Mike

A new topic for discussion.For all you players out there.What is your favorite Band tune to play? I for one never tire of doing "Shape I'm In". I love how no matter how loud the bar,the audience never fails to join in. Also that C7(#9) instrumental section is a stroke of genius and lots of fun to riff over. I also love to do the Band's version of "Atlantic City". Great mandolin lines and another great chorus. So how 'bout you? Share your love.

Sun Jan 24 03:56:14 MET 1999

Mike

Concerning Neil Diamond-I have to agree with Lil.The last thing I want to do is join in the Robbie-bashing that often shows up here. However,Neil Diamond at the Last Waltz? It was a shameless bit of self-promotion by RR who also benefited from getting publishing money from yet another song he wrote being in the movie and on the album. In books and articles both Rick and Levon have said that Neil D. meant nothing to the Band. One look at his face during his performance in the movie shows that he knew he didn't belong there. I would have loved to see the film of Richard standing to sing "Turra-Lurra-Lurra" instead.

Sun Jan 24 02:51:36 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

C'mon! With all due respect to your opinion Paul Godfrey, Neil Diamond is _not_ an "old friend" of The Band. At the time of TLW, I believe Robbie Robertson was producing an album of his. _That_ was the only connection. Mr Diamond may be talented in his own right, but his presence at TLW was neither appropriate or understood by true "old friends" of The Band.

RAGTIME: Hi :-) and I have a question. Since I'm not Dutch or English, can you tell me what VAT means?

JOE MANGO: Lettuce agree then that "American Son" is one of Levon's best solo efforts. Nice to hear once again from the bin. Regards to Al.

Sun Jan 24 01:38:21 MET 1999

Paul Godfrey

The Band's association with Neil Diamond goes a long way back to a time when both The Band and Neil were struggling. You will note that Robbie has one of the biggest production credits ever on "Beautiful Noise" which strengthens that association. Also check out who wrote:"Dry Your Eyes". The idea of the Last Waltz was to bring together a group of old friends to celebrate the end of an era. Neil Diamond certainly ranks as an old friend. SHINE ON! Paul G

Sun Jan 24 01:01:29 MET 1999

Rod

I finally got around to ordering Jubilation and it arrived in the mail yesterday.
Many people have said that it's a return to the sound of the early records but I can't see it. It's too country flavoured and the arrangements too obvious to bare comparison with Big Pink or the brown album. It's more consistant the High on the Hog but doesn't reach that albums highs - or lows. The recording is very straight forward which is most obvious in Garth's accordian which sounds less embalished than on earlier recordings. Trying to learn the accordian myself it was good to here him playing it on most of the tracks but I can't understand why Richard Bell and Aaron Hurwitz hold down the accordian chairs on White Cadillac while Gaarth plays the whistle. A real waste od a golden opportunity.
Rick sounds good and it's good to see him playing more bass than on Hog.
my favourite tracks - You See Me and French Girls. The latter is way too short - I could listen to an entire album of that.

Sun Jan 24 00:12:04 MET 1999

Ragtime

In Dutch BTW means what the English call VAT!

Sun Jan 24 00:07:25 MET 1999

Ragtime

I tried to transcribe the lyrics of The Well (which is in my Band top-20) & Out Of The Blue (both still missing in this website's library), but couldn't figure out two of three words, so I didn't send them to Jan yet. Does anyone have the "official" lyrics?

Joe Mango:

Re American Son: YHO is MHO too. Don't forget to listen to Hurricane with Cripple Creek ears.

Sun Jan 24 00:05:31 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

BTW=by the way

Sun Jan 24 00:04:02 MET 1999

Simon

Twilight: BTW could mean By The Way. Or Bisexually Teased Woman. Where the hell is the tour to support Jubilation anyway?

Sat Jan 23 23:44:03 MET 1999

Twilight

Regarding Mr. Diamond - He has written some great song - Cracklin Rosie is a favorite of mine. I just don't think he fitz in with TLW crowd. I have a question - a few folks use the letters BTW on this sight. I'm sure it stands for something simple, but I can't figure out what it is. Help!

Sat Jan 23 22:45:25 MET 1999

Joe Mango

Twilight

Old Neil takes some ribbin on this site cause of his questionable attendance at TLW. I'm talkin about Mr.Diamond. Did you know that he penned "Red Red Wine"? It aint Cracklin Rosie or The Crunchy Granola Suite, but it aint half bad is it?

Sat Jan 23 21:48:00 MET 1999

Joe Mango

Listened to "American Son" today, between "Watermelon Time in Georgia" and "Sweet Peach Georgia Wine", shades of "Strawberry Wine", I'm thinking I shoulda spent more time in the produce section. Lots of good tunes and the album is a notch above the All Stars IMHO.

Sat Jan 23 21:37:18 MET 1999

Ploughboy

The most excellent site -really life enhancing. How come so little foregrounding of "The Rumour" -ignored on all the compilations! That and "Stage Fright" are inseperable, they almost constitute a mini album within an album. Love and regards!

Sat Jan 23 20:56:36 MET 1999

Twilight

Greetings from the north country! I'm sitting here watching "Rock & Roll Jeopardy", and in the last question, under the "Rock Films" catagory, the contestant was asked "What 1976 film included interviews with the musicians who ended their touring career with The Last Waltz?" All three contestents stared blankly into space. I guess we still have the best kept secret in music. Secondly - if they do make a DVD of the Last Waltz - could we encourage whatever company puts it out to edit out "Dry Your Eyes"? Nothing against old Neil, but it just doesn't fit! Stick in Muddy doing "Caledonia" or Richard's "Georgia". Lastly - I gotta side with ol' Sundog on the Grateful Dead. They have carved out their own place in music - and in my eyes, they are alive and well.

Sat Jan 23 18:46:01 MET 1999

J. Croce

Bones

According to the All Music Guide- Poco- Head Over Heels- Garth just handled keyboards. On Garth's own page on the guide he is credited with organ, synthesizer, bass & accordion as well.

Sat Jan 23 18:40:33 MET 1999

Jay Wardlaw

Peter, in response to your question regarding The Band DVD, it is in fact the New Orleans Jazz Fest show, as you suspected. I hope to see the Classic Albums show, the Authorized Biography and the Last Waltz (and even The Band Is Back) make it to DVD soon, too.

Sat Jan 23 18:28:23 MET 1999

Peter Viney

British readers + others living near a good import newstand: Today’s (23rd) “Independent” Weekend review has Robbie & Bob on the cover - cover story is “Judas!” by Andy Gill, which recounts how the British guy who shouted this out in 1966 has turned up (in Toronto). Anyway, he was giving a press conference .

Brin & David Powell: Thanks for the info. It’s hard to see why Capitol USA is flogging the short and poor-value 11-track “The Best of the Band” when they could just as easily sell the vastly superior Barney Hoskyns compiled 18-track “The Shape I’m In: The Very Best of The Band” at the same price.

I have the five “Columbia Country Classics” and I have to confess that I think Vol 3 “Americana” has a certain charm, though they’re definitely using the term in the kitsch sense. I like your description, sagas and novelties! But while “The Ballad of Jed Clampett”, “Davy Crockett” and Johnny Western on “Ballad of Paladin” are strictly nostalgia-TV material, I always find myself enjoying ‘Big Bad John” and even ‘Wolverton Moun- - -tain’ and my kids used to like ‘Big Iron’ when they were younger. Yes, basically it is crap, which is why I found the application of the word ‘Americana’ to good modern stuff surprising.

I saw “The Band: Classic Albums” on PAL-DVD today. Still don’t have a player. I was told there’s a superb Band 24-bit live show on DVD in the USA. So good that it was being used to demonstrate DVD. I think they meant video rather than enhanced audio. What is it? Presumably the New Orleans show that was on laser disc and tape. Does anybody know?

Re: The Dead. In support of Sundog, I can’t imagine many Band fans disliking either “Workingman’s Dead” or “American Beauty” at least. And if “Casey Jones” doesn’t get you (and it will) try “Uncle John’s Band” and … anyway. I agree with Sundog here.

Sat Jan 23 18:14:45 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

MR. RAILROAD MAN: Haven't you heard the song "Casey Jones" by The Grateful Dead? Personaly, I think, they were the last of the great "American Bands", and their music is timeless, but to know that is to listen to the music, then you'll have nothing left to do but SMILE, SMILE, SMILE... Peace, Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Sat Jan 23 15:58:37 MET 1999

Railroad Man

Seen mentioned here a few times The Grateful Dead, surely the most over-rated group of the sixties,just as Pink Floyd were the most over-rated band of the seventies.

Sat Jan 23 15:55:40 MET 1999

tom izzo

Just wondering: I purchased Levon's book a few years back and had to order it from Waldens. When they called me, I rushed down to pick it up. I began to thumb through it in the car and realized it was printed backwards and upside down! I brought it back into Waldens and showed them. They had ordered several other copies,all of which were fine, and offered me a different copy. I declined and kept my misprint.I got quite a few weird looks as I read my book on a beach in Cape Cod, holding my book upside down, beginning at the last page, and reading toward the front. Levon got a kick when he signed it for me. Did anyone else come across this misprint?I read my book on a beach

Sat Jan 23 09:23:31 MET 1999

Little Bessie

THE WEIGHT can be heard in the TV Series PARTY OF FIVE (Salingers in San Francisco). After coming home from the hospital Charlie is together with his girlfriend. The song is played as background music under 1 minute and 25 seconds in the end of the episode.

Sat Jan 23 04:21:39 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

Bones: I think that it is "Makin' Love."

Sat Jan 23 03:41:48 MET 1999

Rudy Childs

I just got the new album tonight and love it. It is a classic. Also have been listening to the box set....long live THE BAND.

Sat Jan 23 03:27:21 MET 1999

catbalu

Have listened to jubilation all while learning this internet stuff. the accordian is the sweetest part and i can almost hear a mandolin.......... imac is a fine little machine. internet is putting alot of people's opinions in my own house. PETER VINEY - found your website, very nice! think we need something like that in here! i too have had a hard time finding good music locally (but then this is not Orlando). However, got a kick out of buying Jubilation. In all the store, only 2 CDs of "Thee Old" The Band, but as for Jubilation, it was featured prominently and all the young staff was very proud to assist me at gearing up to listen to "Book Faded Brown" on the headphones. One said, "There's a new band out called "The The" because they don't believe in titles (yadda)...."What's The Band like (yadda)....Who's THE Band?" My "New Teenager" was rollling his eyes. BEN - i've no doubt you're loveable but my message should have said, "i agree with you". The New Teenager is helping me to death, is now fired and approriately fenced. (his name is Ben also and he LOVES himself). But i agree with you. One of my favorite songs is Hazel... Trip to New Orleans is shaping up. Growing. May have to veer through as opposed to as the crow flies. Will be checking out discounts, routes along the way. am fairly familiar w/terrain down south and turning 40 this spring has got to be special. i insisit. be glad to share info on rates and places, etc. Storm has come. time to power down.

Sat Jan 23 02:08:50 MET 1999

L ynn Reese- Harper and Rudy

Levon-- "Hey, Sweet Man!" Haven't seen you since two years ago in Forest City. {Remember, unfortunately, I am David Reese's little sister} We had such a good time with you and Anna Lea. Anyways, I am going to be in New Orleans for the National Aids Conference on 2/24-3/1. (Remember, when I was a regular Nurse and took care of Diamond and Nell when they were in the Hospital in Springdale.) I am very excited about coming to your Cafe in New Orleans. I hope to hear you or Amy sing "Rag Mama Rag". Heard Amy was down there from Spook Berry. If your there it would be great. We loved your story about your dog named Cinder. That old snake eaten' dog! We are real proud of you and your "Cafe". We are so glad to hear that you are feeling great now. But shit! When your as full of "piss and vinegar" as you what do you expect? Hope to see in February. Lynn Reese-Harper

Sat Jan 23 01:28:31 MET 1999

Marlon Funk

Good luck on Robbie helping out the Mohawks (I hope he does)...he has ignored a request from the Iroquois Nationals to help sponsor the Lacrosse World games...no reply.....he needs to remove the dust from the sunglasses....maybe Jerry Muskrat could help.....an OKIE from Muskogee...... I will bet Levon, Rick, and Garth would help you out! I am forwarding all this info to Rick's "sister" (delusions of grandeur) who "appeared" to me on the side of a outhouse on the side of the road on Alligator Alley. This one ain't no virgin ....ask Uncle Willie! VERY sloppy! ouch! ugh!

Sat Jan 23 01:25:38 MET 1999

L ynn Reese- Harper and Rudy

Sat Jan 23 00:01:51 MET 1999

Serge

Richard, from N.C. read again, what you say is what I said. How many ways would you like to "tweak" the phrase, and what flow are you talking about ?

Fri Jan 22 23:42:51 MET 1999

Pete Rivard

Here's my litmus test for the Americana music genre: If it sounds like Thomas Hart Benton's paintings look, then it's Americana.

Fri Jan 22 23:27:30 MET 1999

Bones

I just purchased a copy of Poco's Head Over Heels because Garth plays keyboards on one track(according to this site). I like it, although I'm sorry that Jim Messina had already left the group by the time this album came out.

My question is this.....does anybody know which track(s) Garth plays on?

Fri Jan 22 23:21:27 MET 1999

Scuzzy Boots

You're to young to drink Paul, but since you are cool enough to dig the charm, subtleties and soul of Richard and The Band, I'll let it slide. Should you stick to this page, you will be turned on to a whole new world of music. The entries in this book are fucking fantastic. Remember Paul, your never to young to use profanity.

Fri Jan 22 22:57:56 MET 1999

Scalley Wag

Robbie probably had a lot to do with Tell Me Mama as well.

Fri Jan 22 21:07:53 MET 1999

JERRY CROW

ALA KETCH, WE ARE SEEKING ASSISTANCE WITH A MULTI-CULTURAL POW WOW IN GAINSVILLE FLA.SPONSORED BY STUDENTS GROUPS ON USF CAMPUS1!! THERE IS A BUDGET AND WE SEEK ROBBIE FOR THE GIG!!THE FIRST WILL BE IN APRIL!!CAN YOU HELP US GROW SPIRITUALLY? PLEASE CONTACT ME!! IM A MOHAWK BROTHER!!! JERRY CROW

Fri Jan 22 19:54:16 MET 1999

David Powell

For those of you fortunate enough to catch a screening of "Eat The Document," two songs credited to Dylan & Robertson are presented in abbreviated form in the film according to Heylin's book on the Dylan recording sessions.

Fri Jan 22 18:54:35 MET 1999

brin

There are two aspects to the availability of Band back catalog in the U.S. The first has to do with the individual retailer’s decision to stock a title. In my (NYC metropolitan) area, the large national chains carry (as D. Powell noted) multiple copies of ‘The Best Of’ (which was their biggest seller by far, although no serious Band devotee I know would ever consider listening to it) and two or three other apparently randomly selected titles---eight or nine ‘Best Of’s plus ‘Stage Fright’ and ’High on the Hog,’ for instance. (In fairness, most of the chains also seem to have carried ‘Jubilation,’ which was very well distributed in this region. Several owner-operated, independent shops and a small regional chain generally carry all available Band titles. The second aspect is a debacle of Capitol’s own making. For whatever reasons, Capitol leased the manufacturing and distribution of ‘Big Pink,’ ‘The Band,’ and ‘Cahoots’ to a company that proceeded to go bankrupt in spectacular fashion. For that reason, those have been essentially unavailable for about two years. The situation is not unique to The Band---catalog product from Sinatra to Ringo has been affected. The Band titles were scheduled to be rereleased in January (I saw the brown album on sale earlier this week, and the major on-line retailers list all three), and when they are the entire Band catalog will be in print. Realistically, I don’t think much more than that can be expected, and I wonder how long ‘Islands,’ say, or ‘Moondog Matinee’ can remain in print based solely on sales. The Band was never a huge record seller, and, 30 years after their prime, that's not going to change.

Fri Jan 22 18:32:30 MET 1999

Ragtime

Thanks, Kevin from Pittsburgh:

I am greatly informed by your remarks on DADDY ROLLING STONE. The Heylin book I own is "Dylan. Behind Closed Doors. The Recording Sessions [1960-1994]". It doesn't mention this album. I suppose you quoted from "The Great White Wonders", which I don't have, unfortunately. I wouldn't call the sound quality 'excellent' (but for a bootleg maybe it is). The copy that I bought in '69/70 had no cover at all, just a white sleeve. Not even Dylan's name was mentioned. So: no cover art, no lyrics, no documentation at all. Hence my suggestion that this might be 'bootlegged bootleg'. I don't remember how much I paid for the 2 LP's, but since my girl friend & I were poor students they must have been relatively cheap.

Fri Jan 22 17:57:20 MET 1999

Tim p

Kevin, Bill Avis was a former road manager for the band. Bill joined with the Hawk way back when and countinued on and off with The Band throughout the years. His son Jerome or J.L is one hell of a drummer.The kid started playing with levon's sticks from the Last Waltz on a baseball glove years ago and has got Levon's style down. Maybe Bill will see this and tell some of his stories. Enjoy.

Fri Jan 22 17:31:31 MET 1999

David Powell

With regards to the availability of The Band's back catalog in music stores---In the stores I frequent in the Atlanta area, the earlier albums are often hard to find, however, I've noticed that almost all the stores have stocked _Jubilation_ in limited quantities. Although the number of units of the new album in the store bins is very small in comparison to that of the latest flavor-of-the-month albums, what limited number of copies of _Jubilation_ these store put out seem to be selling quickly. Recently I noticed that one of the large chain stores had quickly sold the half dozen or so copies that they had gotten in on re-order. I've also noticed that Capitol is shipping a lot of copies of the _Best of the Band_ album in an apparent move to cash in on _Jubilation's_ release. Instead of supplying stores with copies of the first three or four of The Band's albums, the Capitolists seem content to only ship the Best of album. when will they ever learn? Recently, when the Beatles released a 30th anniversary special edition of "The White Album," all the stores were filled with separate shelves displaying the entire Beatles catalog from EMI/Capitol/Apple.

Fri Jan 22 16:54:42 MET 1999

Bud

Kevin L: Bill's son (Levon's godson, Jerome Levon Avis) was in here last year. I checked in the guestbook archive for you and found his e-mail address: javis@fleming.on.ca

Fri Jan 22 16:52:32 MET 1999

brin

Peter Viney: The Columbia ‘Americana’ compilation was the least interesting in a series of reissues from the CBS archives. Volumes devoted to the early commercial era, honky tonk, and the Nashville sound all featured material of greater interest and substance. ‘Americana’ was in fact an attempt to document the late 50s-early 60s boomlet in ‘saga songs,’ usually humorous conflations of folklore, the tall tale, and the novelty record. By definition, most of these were pretty cheesy and certainly haven’t improved with an age. The ‘americana’ tag in this case is virtually meaningless and not at all related to the current use.

Fri Jan 22 16:48:13 MET 1999

Richard

The Acadian Driftwood re-translation by Serge seems right on, but still feels just a bit "literalist" in its word order. I would further tweak the line as follows: "Acadie, the sun turns your snow into tears." Just a thought, even if a nitpicky one, but that seems to fit the flow of the song.

Fri Jan 22 16:38:38 MET 1999

Kevin L

Hey fellow Band Fans, I am just reading Levon's book and am wondering if anyone has any current or past history on Bill Avis and his link to the band.

Fri Jan 22 14:53:44 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

DONALD JOESPH: I just heard from Bruce(Skyline music) that *MERL SAUNDERS*(who played with the Grateful Dead and recorded on records blah, blah blah)Mom passed away, but is still going to do SUNDOG. Paul Pearman: My feelings for *THE BAND* are the same as yours, if not greater, and you are correct- music now is not the same as then, but watch out cuz history seems to repeat its self. You like The Grateful Dead, I'd like to invite you and a friend up here along with Donald Joesph to see Merl, he also knows *The Band*. Peace, Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Fri Jan 22 09:46:24 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Donald: I was looking in the Easy listening section because, increasingly, you’re beginning to find Chuck Berry, James Brown, The Four Seasons and other greats relegated there by ignorant record store assistants. And this wasn’t in Orlando.

As to your slur on central Florida’s record stores, I’d agree with you based on past experience, except that the new Virgin Megastore at Disney Westside is of a size and comprehensiveness that very few new (as against second-hand) stores can match (and I’ve spent many happy hours store browsing in LA, Boston and NYC). What I was pointing out was not the quality of Orlando record stores, but the general unavailability of Band back catalog in the USA. Look at the number of posts there are on this subject. As for a “cultural wasteland” I’ll leave it to Florida residents to answer that one. But do try the Cirque de Soleil’s new permanent theatre or the Dali museum at St Petersburg.

Thanks everyone for the comments on Americana, which explained a lot. The current use is different to the one used on “Columbia Country Classics Vol 3” then, which is what I was trying to clarify. The Americana on that was all “over the top”.

I’ll leap to the defence of Jonathan Katz’s sister’s undergraduate degree. American Studies as a distinct subject was probably invented outside the US. It was the hot new subject in the UK in the mid-sixties (cf. media studies now) because it was felt to be a way of combining literature and history while avoiding Anglo-Saxon and Middle English (as in an “English” degree) and keeping the history to relatively recent times. This all turned out to be a con, as it took a whole year of American Literature to get to Washington Irving, and another year to get to Henry James. In seeking to avoid Chaucer, undergraduates found themselves stuck with Urian Oakes and Cotton Mather. The influence of Europe, or Africa or Native American culture depended on which options were selected. The core curriculum was American literature and history.

Fri Jan 22 07:54:02 MET 1999

Rod

Sundog, I don't agree that Moondog was the worst of the (original) Band's efforts. I rate it ahead of Cahoots as it contains some of their best performances and slickest production.

On the over hand if the rest of Cahoots was as good as it's first two tracks, it would have been up there with the Brown album.

Fri Jan 22 07:45:11 MET 1999

mic

Catskill: My two cents. I agree that if it's a live album you want, go with "Rock of Ages" (purple cover) I've seen it for about $11.99 dollars in the U.S. Not bad for a great double album. As for studio albums, in my opinion the best by far is "The Band" (their second album, often called 'the brown album)

Fri Jan 22 06:45:01 MET 1999

Emery Cox

Love The Band.Love their roots, dylan, levon. Exellent on dylans 30th year anni. bob was terrible.have just bought Jubilation. Not too bad. I've never Heard "Music from big Pink" one day I'll order it. Not a huge selection in Tasmania. Though I've just gone on line so there will be endless albums (CDs). I love John Prine, Clapton, Willy, Nitty Gritty, Earl Scruggs, Doc Watson, Beatles, The Dead, Michelle Shocked (seen in hobart tasmania twice)Jerry Jeff Walker, BB King, Johnny Winter, Emmy Lou, David Bromberg, springsteen, etc. I'd like a Rockin acoustic sort of Unplugged bootleg live Blugrass type of album. Got any suggestions? Perhaps some practicing sort of album. I Love Levons voice. " I can't take the way he sings but i love to hear him talk" Do you write back? I'll go check out the web site now. Will Robbie ever come back? Kind Regards Emery Cox

Fri Jan 22 06:37:14 MET 1999

Tinker St. Letdown

I heard about a goddamn movie i wish I could act in -upstate NY.....New Paltz exit on the thruway......Straw Dogs sequel (is dat de right woird)!

Fri Jan 22 05:27:14 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Donnie Jo, from Dylan.net: "Eat the Document" will be screened at Northwestern University, just outside Chicago, on Jan. 27 at 7 and 9PM. This is the official Columbia version, not a bootleg. Tickets are $5. Location is McCormick Auditorium, Norris University Center, 1999 S. Campus Drive, Evanston, IL. From Chicago, take the purple line on the El to the Davis stop. For more info, call 847-491-2378 or email me. Matt. Tell me what kind of hat you'll be wearing and we can talk about it.

Fri Jan 22 04:58:18 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

SUNDOG: Yay! I'll be there if I'm in town (I have 2 trips out-of-town in Mar., the longest is to Austria, 3/20-30). But it stung when you implied in your second post I need to reseach who Merle is. The JGB is my favorite band, & I grew up on the Garcia/Saunders/Kahn/Vitt l.p.--that record is like mother's milk to me. (Finders, Keepers! It takes a lot to laugh, it takes a train to cry! Dawg guesting!) I'll be there, but pls. ask Merle to tone down his save-the-rainforest schtik, ok?

Jan, here's a vote that you post Serge's TLW reviews.

Lopez: I agree the Band's work on that Woody tribute l.p. is classic. "Grand Coulee Dam" has always been my favorite comercially-released Zimmie/Band collaboration tune. If the rest of you guys & gals don't know this record, pls. don't consider yourselves fans of Bob Dylan & the Band just yet. You're in for a treat.

J.Katz: The new Woody project "Mermaid Ave." doesn't exactly SOUND like the Basements, but it has a loose conspiratorial feel that is indeed reminiscent, if only in tone. One of the great l.p.'s of '98. Go buy it.

Ophelia: Although I don't know the details, I do know a thing or 2 about U.S. law. Assuming Rick is by now a U.S. citizen, his drug arrest in Japan likely is no barrier to his travelling the world & returning freely to the states -- but Japan likely will not be on his itinerary. Even if Ricky is still a Canadian passport-holder with only a so-called "green card," the Japanese trouble likely will not impede his re-entry into the states -- unless the INS wants to make an example of him, as it did to Lennon in the early '70's.

Chris Lecky: I own the 2 CD boot, bought at Everybody's Records in Cinti; I agree it's not worthy $40 unless you're a completist.There is a lot of Weir on it, and while I'm a Deadhead (see above), Bobby doesn't fit on this record. And the performance & recording quality are only o.k., at best.

Viney: What the hell were you sniffing around the record store's "easy listening" section for, anyway? Get a life! Also, pls. don't assume Orlando's record selection is indicative of what we have in the states. I went to law school 60 miles from Orlando, so I know it's a cultural wasteland. I once drove the 60 mi. to see a theater screening of TLW, & it was nearly empty -- those Micky Mouse types were out enjoying water sports, I guess. Seems Beak wasn't any impressed with the town, either. (Apology to you touchy types.)

Chi. Band-dandies: Pls. keep us posted on rumored "Eat the Doc." screenings at No'western.

Now, to all in the U.S.: Apparantly there is going to be an excellent Muddy Waters special on PBS on Wed., check local listings.Might there be TLW footage or Levon narration? A boy can dream....

Fri Jan 22 04:34:50 MET 1999

Paul Pearman

Just wanted to comment on what a great resource this page has been. I am 19 years old and have been listening to the band for about six months, but grew up around their great music along with dylan, neil young, the doors, and the dead. My father is "from the 60's" and we have a great relationship which gets stronger when we sit down, have a couple cold one's and listed to some great music. There is not many bands in today's music that I can identify with,but I feel connected with the Band. Great music ! Their second album brings me to tears at times, especially Richard on "Whispering Pines" it is too bad he had to leave us all. I'd appreciate any response, thank you Paul

Fri Jan 22 04:11:09 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

CATSKILL CHICHIWANA: The best studio recordings by *THE BAND* is "STAGE FRIGHT" and the worst is "MOONDOG MATINEE". The best loved is "MUSIC FROM BIG PINK". Peace, Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Fri Jan 22 04:02:40 MET 1999

Dave Van Voorhees

I first saw The Band in concert in 1969. Best music I'd ever heard! I've been a music lover ever since. Great website! How can I get tickets to see The Band at Levon's Classic American Cafe in New Orleans?

Fri Jan 22 02:19:45 MET 1999

Kevin

Ragtime, you didn't scrutinize Heylin's works close enough. Check "BOOTLEG: The Secret History of the Other Side of the Recording Industry", page 152: "The first Dutch effort appears to have been a Dylan bootleg (just for a change!), the double-album HELP!. Released privately by Dutch collectors as a protest against the very high prices that had to be paid for imported copies of the US GREAT WHITE WONDER, HELP! was an original compilation of miscellaneous Dylan material. Sadly, lousy quality and traditional stamped cover did little to set it apart from its dubious American antecedents. Nevertheless, having quickly sold out of its initial 2,500 pressing, it inspired a considerably more ambitious double-set, DADDY ROLLING STONE. This time the cover was a rather beautiful series of drawings of Dylan, metamorphosing from authentic troubadour to speed king to country squire. The first edition even contained a four-page booklet with the lyrics to all the album's songs, including those Dylan didn't write. With printed labels, good-to-excellent sound quality, and three songs from a Dutch radio broadcast of Dylan at the Isle of Wight - DADDY ROLLING STONE set new standards in Dylan bootlegs". I guess that may explain the difference on Minstrel Boy. By the way, do you have the lyric booklet?

Fri Jan 22 01:38:34 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

John Donabie: Well said!

Jeff from New York: The lyrics posted on this site come from the brown album - The Band. The lyrics you quote come from Before the Flood. Somewhere along the line Rick changed them.

Thu Jan 21 23:49:32 MET 1999

Dennis Cooper

So the following act is playin' over in Woodstock Saturday evening....we'll see y'all there... Amy Helm, & Guitar Spotlight w/Jim Vivino, Jim Eppard, Ted Orr, Peter Einhorn, Joyous Lake, Wksk, $6, 679-0367.

Thu Jan 21 23:26:31 MET 1999

Bones

Uncle Tupelo released a record called No Depression, and they promoted it by telling people that they were influenced by groups like the Band who were able to walk the rock/country/bluegrass/blues lines. This record was the harbinger to groups like the Jayhawks, Whiskeytown, Wilco and Son Volt. All are great groups which any fan of the Band would like.

Thu Jan 21 20:11:36 MET 1999

David Powell

Although the Band is certainly an influence upon many of today's "Americana" artists, I would not go as far as to categorize them as avatars. Nor do I think there is anything necessarily false or pretentious about incorporating the spirit of diverse forms of roots music into one's own style. After all the recording industry has long since gone beyond the days of Alan Lomax's field recordings.

Thu Jan 21 19:01:01 MET 1999

Jeff

I've got a few questions concerning "When You Awake". Maybe it's just me, but I have Before The Flood and have just recently begun listening to it. When You Awake is my favorite song, but I don't hear the exact same lyrics that are on this website. Normally, I wouldn't haggle, but I'm interested in what the song means. The biggest discrepancy I've seen concerns one of the verses. This site records it as: Ollie showed me the fork in the road. You can take to the left or go straight to the right, Use your days and save your nights, Be careful where you step, and watch wha-cha eat, Sleep with the light on and you got it beat. Whereas I hear: Ollie showed me the fork in the road. He said if you take to your left, go straight to your right, Save your days and use your nights. Careful where you step and watch whatcha eat. Sleep with the light and you got it beat. Maybe I'm just neurotic....

Thu Jan 21 18:29:40 MET 1999

Paul Godfrey

Serge...thank you for Acadian Driftwood. My inlaws are French Canadian and even they have some difficulty trying to figure out this part of the lyric. Hope to catch up with you at some time. Shine On!

Thu Jan 21 17:56:39 MET 1999

brin

The category Americana isn’t a (Griel) Marcusian recognition of the sources of an artist’s music, it’s a marketing device most often applied to self-consciously ‘rootsy’ 90s acts such as The Jayhawks, Uncle Tupelo, and Son Volt. It seems to have established itself as niche to the point that the trade publication Billboard maintains a separate Americana chart. Known variously as ‘alternative country’ or ‘no depression’ (a magazine of that name devotedly documents the scene), it’s a catchall for artists even more diverse in vintage and commercial success than those David Powell lists. Predictably enough, The Band is often cited as an early avatar of the form, more for their faux rusticity than any audible reason.

Thu Jan 21 17:22:36 MET 1999

David Powell

As a postscript to my earlier posting, here's the current playlist of an "Americana" radio station, WMLB-AM in Cumming, Ga.:

"Step Inside This House"--Lyle Lovett, "Big Backyard Beat Show"--BR-549, "Walking Distance"--Robert Earl Keen, "Alabama Song"--Allison Moorer, "Only Sun"--Judith Edelman, "Industry & Thrift"--Bad Livers, "Wide Seing Tremolo"--Son Volt, "Faithless Street"--Whiskeytown, "All About Town"--The V-Roys, "Long Walk Back"--Junior Brown, "LongWay Home"--Dwight Yoakam, "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road"--Lucinda Williams, "Highways & Honky Tonks"--Heather Myles, "Chris Knight"--Chris Knight, "Spyboy"--Emmylou Harris, "Tales From The Couch Circuit"--Mark David Manders, "Cry, Cry, Cry"--Williams/Kaplansky, "Hell Among The Yearlings"--Gillian Welch, "Walk Between Raindrops"--James McMurtry, "Clinch Mountain Country"--Ranlph Stanley & Friends, "The Truckin' Sessions"--Dale Watson, "Crown Of Jewels"--Randy Scruggs, "Popular Demons"--Greg Trooper, "Like A Hurricane"--Chris Hillman, "Little Honky Tonks"--The Steam Donkeys, "Special 20"--Tim Easton, "Mac, Doc & Del"--Mac Wiseman, Doc Watson & Del McCrory, "Bull Riders: Chasing The Dream"--various artists, "Life Of The Party"--Charlie Robison, "El Baile de la Cobra"--Cigar Store Indians, "I Belong To You"--John Jennings, "Orphans"--Hazeldine, "Connie Smith"--Connie Smith, "Twisted"--Big In Iowa, "Tainted Angel"--Chris Wall, "Mermaid Avenue (Songs of Woody Guthrie)"--Billy Bragg & Wilco, "No Place That Far"--Sara Evans, "Radio"--Chuck Brodsky, and "I Turn The Page"--Don Williams. Whew!

Thu Jan 21 16:58:14 MET 1999

Ilkka

CATSKILL. I agree with DIAMOND LIL; 'Rock of Ages' is what you should have. I understood that you don't want to spend too much money. There is (or was?) a version called 'Masters of Rock'. Less music, but it should be cheaper.

Thu Jan 21 15:52:19 MET 1999

David Powell

Regarding the term "Americana" as it applies to music---This is a description that has been used by the radio industry here in the States within the last several years. Generally it has been used to describe the type of music played by growing number of mostly independent radio stations that play music that you never hear on the conglomerate-owned stations. The Americana stations aren't afraid to play new or older music that doesn't fit in the narrow pre-programed lists dictated by the conglomerates. The type of music is rather eclectic, like that played in the early glory days of FM radio in the late sixties. For the most part, it's a blend of rootsy country rock, modern folk, jazzy bluegrass & acoustic blues. They play music from artists as varied as Emmylou Harris, Steve Earle, John Prine, Greg Brown, Chris Knight, Julie & Buddy Miller, Wilco, Lucinda Williams, Roseanne Cash and many more who don't get airplay on other stations. I think the music from _Jubilation_ would easily fit into this type of format. In this day & age when most radio stations here in the States are owned & tightly controlled by a few large companies whose main concern is ad revenue based on ratings rather than music, the few Americana stations around are a breath of fresh air.

Thu Jan 21 15:41:48 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

Americana is something that will disolve if you look at it too closely. They give degrees at universities here in American studies and as near as I can tell, it is a study of influences on this culture from outside the U.S., that coalesced into the "melting pot" of this country. If you look at it too closely, you are studying those "foreign" influences rather than "Americana." Predictably [I guess], these influences were mostly Western European. They were generally exclusive of "native American" influences, though the black sub-culture of North America is well represented [though African influence is not - the African influence on "Americana" comes after it is mutated by the North American black experience. So, while there is a decided cultural bias in what is included, it is not entirely biased towards Western European influence. Having said all of this [and simplified my sister's undergraduate degree almost to trivia], I suspect that Peter knew all of this, which was what generated his post!

Thu Jan 21 15:12:55 MET 1999

Reinhard

Just wanted to inform you that Capitol Holland is doing a one time repressing of "Music From Big Pink" on 180 Gramm vinyl - they repress what is pre-ordered. Supposed to be out in mid February. Decent price, too. Nobody knows if it is a gatefold sleeve or not. Time will tell.

Thu Jan 21 14:56:08 MET 1999

Brown-eyed Johnny

Barry in Newark, Delaware: The first two John Simon albums--John Simon's Album and Journey are available through Our Favorite Shop (ofs@all-mods.com) in Wantagh, NY at $35 each. You are right. John Simon's albums are wonderful--remarkable lyrics and infectious melodies. I have the first two Simon albums plus Out on the Street. Get them while you can.

Thu Jan 21 14:23:36 MET 1999

John Donabie

RE: PETER'S COMMENTS ON AMERICANA

Americans have always had a very large and wonderfuly exciting pool of musicians to draw upon. England as well, for that matter since the first British Invasion of The Beatles. The last 20 years or so our biggest talent export to the U.S. have been comedians

Alumni of Second City including the late John Candy, Dan Ackroyd etc. New Kids in The Hall and so on. Therefore with our giant inferiority complex; because of Big Brother to the south, we hold our musical exports dear to our hearts. Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, David-Clayton Thomas and going back to Gene Cornish of the Rascals and Zal Yanovsky of the Spoonful. The Diamonds. The Crew-Cuts.

When Greil Marcus talks about "Americana" in reference to The Band, I am always fascinated that he doesn't state the obvious that Robbie has mentioned so many times on the record. The reason that The Band (4 out of 5) were able to capture whatever America is....was the fact that he was seeing America through the eyes of a Canadian or foreigner. Someone who from his bedroom in Scarborough Ontario listened to John R. late at night coming out of Nashville. In Robbie's special, when he talks about the smells and the air of the south influencing his writing...who could disagree? The first time I went to Memphis and Helena and the Delta, I found those same feelings. Problem is, I'm not a songwriter.

I don't want to beat this to death; but it's important to realize where Big Pink and so on, came from. When I was in Memphis during the 20th anniversary of Elvis' death and talked to those who came from Japan and Europe. The longing and the realization of where they were was almost overpowering to them. Just watch the film Mystert Train to see what I mean. I suppose the Band will be always listed under the banner of Americana; but every once in awhile we shoudl remember where the dreams and the influences started. When you live 90 miles from the border that 49th parallel seems quite invisible. It's when you get to the Mason-Dixon line that the mysteries unfold and the dreams become reality.

Thu Jan 21 12:11:43 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

CATSKILL CHICHIWANA:(Interesting name btw). I think the first live performance you should buy is "Rock of Ages". That's the first one I heard about 25 years ago, and it was magical. Had a cousin who played it for me, I had never heard of The Band (what band?) and I loved it so much that he gave it to me. The rest, as they say, is history.

CHARLIE HAWKER:Listening to "Don't Wait" here right now. Very touching. Just goes to show that when you need strength, you find it.

Thu Jan 21 11:42:17 MET 1999

Catskill Chichiwana

Dear People, As a new fan - what's the best live performance to buy? And don't tell me to buy everyone as I'm an impoverished student....

Thu Jan 21 10:13:17 MET 1999

Peter Viney

So what is Americana? Tower Records in London has a small section labelled "Americana" in the area with blues, folk and country. I found The Dillards there and Rice, Ride, Hillman & Pedersen. I'd always wondered who decided this was a category and what the definition was. Mind you, in this very store I couldn't find Bonnie Raitt, either under Rock or Blues. When I asked they directed me to country. When I asked how a record with (e.g.) John Lee Hooker on was in country, they said nothing with pedal steel could be allowed in the blues section. So, now you know. "Americana" is an odd category, I first heard the word "Americana' used about music applied to the Band. There was even a compilation CD last year called "Americana" or something similar. Columbia did a country compilation with the title a few years back, though this veered between "cowboy" (El Paso, Don't take Your Guns to Town) and novelty (Battle of New Orleans, North to Alaska, Wolverton Mountain, Big Bad John). It did include Lefty Frizell's Long Black Veil too. The common theme was that there was an element of conscious irony / pastiche / send-up in the songs. Another song was 'Boy Named Sue'. I don't think "Jubilation" would really fit as 'Americana'. It's not "country" or "folk" either. Leave it in the Rock section. There are so many odd things in record stores, that I'd be tempted to just put the lot in alphabetical order as "music". I recently found both Chuck Berry and James Brown in the Easy listening section in one store ("because they're fifties and sixties artists" I was told).

Thu Jan 21 09:10:27 MET 1999

Ragtime

Thanks Col. Capricorn. I'm wandering through unknown areas - still eagerly learning from you guys - but as I understand there are _official bootlegs_ & _unoffical bootlegs_. I suppose my "Daddy Rolling Stone" double LP is from a third category: _a very unoffical bootlegged bootleg_. Pirate stealing from pirates. Years ago someone told me it was identical to Little White Wonder, but this is certainly not true. Anyway "Minstrel Boy" may be not from the Isle of Wight since Levon, Rick & Richard are equally loud in the chorus. Or there was another guy holding his mike right under their noses.

Thu Jan 21 06:04:11 MET 1999

Serge

PAUL GODFREY: The last line of Acadian Driftwood ( as written in the library section of this site ) is wrong. "J'ai rive Acadie" is meaningless and is not French. The transcription should be: J'ARRIVE ACADIE...I am arriving Acadia, or I am coming Acadia...I believe someone heard the guys singing j'a(y)rrive, the A as in "bay", instead of the French pronunciation of the letter A, J'arrive...A as in Jar, and wrote it as he/she heard it.

The preceding line I am not comfortable with, I would translate as: You know Acadia your snow makes tears in the sun ( or for the sun ). Could be one or the other.

Thu Jan 21 05:04:01 MET 1999

Barry

Hi All! Have any of you had any success in getting a CD of John Simon's first CD, which apparently has been issued in Japan some years ago? Apart from the contribution of two or three Band members, it is filled with quirky lyrics and arrangements, and a fabulous guitar solo by John Hall on "Don't Forget What I Told You". I wanted to compliment him at the Tin Angel last week, but could not get to him fast enough. This is such a fine web site, thanks to all of you for contributing . Take care.

Thu Jan 21 04:28:47 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Bud, the Band appeared on a syndicated live country music show called The Road. They performed Remedy and Life Is A Carnival. It was recorded in Rockford IL with a number of MOR country artists. I know one of the crew members who worked the show who said the audience absolutely ignored the boys then went wild for the other performers. Levon also served as the "voice" of the show, introing the performers off-camera. I assume Garth's jacket is swag from the show. BTW, I have many old vinyl boots of Dylan and various Basement cuts appear with regularity. Actually owned The Great WHite Wonder once, but it seems to have disappeared.

Thu Jan 21 03:41:16 MET 1999

Bud

Has anyone noticed the leather jacket Garth wears so much? Barely legible on the back, it says, "The Road." Garth's dad was a pilot.

Thu Jan 21 02:22:04 MET 1999

Col. Capricorn

ragtime-- most of those tracks sound like familiar Basement tape tunes and are probably the ones available on Genuine Basment Tapes. BUT, Minstral Boy, Wild Mountain Thyme and To Ramona are probably form the Isle of Wight concert in 1969 in which Dylan appeared with the Band. He played all those songs (Minstral Boy was only written in '69 and debuted there--later appearing on Self-Portrait). Also there is a Dutch bootleg of the Isle of Wight show. To confirm, is To Ramona solo? Minstral Boy should also have loud Danko backup though the others are audible. Dylan also never played WIld MOuntain Thyme again until the Neverending Tour began in '89. hope that helps. ALSO anyone in MINNEAPOLIS< EAT the Document is being shown tomorrow at the Oak Street Cinema and then will go to NOrthwestern University in Evanston, ILL. (near Chicago) for those interested. This is a copy supplied by Sony.

Thu Jan 21 01:27:58 MET 1999

Paul Godfrey

From Acadian Driftwood Lyrics listed in "Library" can anyone translate the very last line: J'ai rive......is is I dream? Appreciate any help. Shine On!

Thu Jan 21 00:38:24 MET 1999

Ragtime

To all basement tape scholars:

Since 1969 or '70 I am the proud owner of a double bootleg LP containing some miscellaneous Bob Dylan stuff. It's called "Daddy Rolling Stone" & provides no other information than the song titles.

Now let me tell ya how the record came into my possession. It was handed down by a guy who was very secretive about it & highly reluctant to reveal from where he'd got it or even who he was. He mumbled something about "illegality" as if he was a member of a resistance group. I was strictly forbidden to talk about it whenever in my life (so I'm breaking my solemn promise now!). When I carried my new treasure carefully home I was very shy, looking if the Secret Police would come after me. Well, no reason for fear, since not even Dylan's name was mentioned anywhere on the record nor the (virginal white) sleeve. Obtaining bootlegs in the Netherlands was a thrilling experience in those dark ages!

Now about the music itself. Record 1 contains purely acoustic guitar songs, taken from various gigs. On record 2 there are mostly basement songs. The line-up is: A-side "Tears Of Rage", "Please Mrs. Henry", "Open The Door, Richard", "Nothing Was Delivered", "This Wheel's On Fire". B-side "You Ain't Going Nowhere", "I Shall Be Released", "Too Much Of Nothing", then two acoustic songs "Wild Mountain Thyme" & "To Ramona" (probably from another session) and finally "Who's Gonna Throw That Minstrel Boy A Coin". Sound quality is poor, of course, but most versions are (almost) similar to the highly dressed-up ones on the official 1975 release, with the obvious exceptions of "I Shall" (with Richard's falsetto in the chorus) & "Minstrel Boy" (chorus loudly sung by the whole Band including Levon).

Now, what was my query again? O yes... I scrutinized this web site & the works by Clinton Heylin, John Howell & Mark van Sleen, but this (Dutch?) bootleg was never mentioned. Is it unique? Or is it just another addition to the mixed-up confusion?

Thu Jan 21 00:20:45 MET 1999

Luis

Howdy;

Here's a link I came across. It seems to be from the Rock and Roll Hall of fame. Couldn't tell, didn't have time to look.

http://www.rockhall.com/induct/band.html

I love you, Serge...

Luis

Wed Jan 20 23:29:45 MET 1999

J.Croce

Bones & other fans of Eric Andersen

Eric and Long Island's own "Friend of the Devil"- Ed Kaercher will appear at The Brokerage in Bellmore, NY on 2/17/99. I can't make it, but why not check him out in person?

Wed Jan 20 23:16:57 MET 1999

Bones

To David Powell and Peter Viney: Thank you for the Eric Andersen information. I look forward to getting it.

I have just received a mint-condition copy of a 1971 Melody Magazine with the Band on the cover. It is a great issue! What I love about music reviews from that time is that they compare anyone who uses acoustic instruments to the Band.

Wed Jan 20 23:11:19 MET 1999

Dexy

David Powell's comments about how much of the best music is now necessarily narrow-distributed. Along those lines, I read an article about (the real) Lucinda William's CD "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road." I could never figure out how she came up with such a hit, since no country music station today would play such quality music (when was the last time you heard Willie or Johnny on the radio?). It was apparently marketed under "Americana" rather than country. Americana was defined in the article as American roots music -- blues, real country, roots rock. I think LARGO may have been marketed as Americana, and it seems to me that JUBILATION would fit there too. Does anyone (RiverNorth or anyone else) know about that?

Wed Jan 20 21:28:28 MET 1999

J. Croce

Reinhard

Regarding that "new" CD from Levon, be advised that track 2 on the 1977 Levon Helm & The RCO All-Stars is titled "The Ties That Binds". According to the liner notes it was written by Dr. John (Mac Rebennack) & Bobby Charles. Could be a coincidence. I await American Son from CD now after seeing so many of its tracks on Levon's best list. Keep us posted. Between "Rain Down Tears" and "Kentucky Downpour" maybe you should be Rainhard. :-)

Wed Jan 20 20:09:16 MET 1999

Paul C.

A few random points: -- I just checked out the interesting Peter Viney article on "The Saga of Pepote Rouge". I always heard a particular line as follows: You can call it love, or call it wisdom, But do you not save a drowning man? -- It took me many years to get a CD player; after years of resisting, I totally capitulated and got CD versions of all the original Band albums. Am I going crazy, or are the mixes different on the CD versions? "Stage Fright" sounds noticeably different. Stuff like the ending of some tracks ("W.S.Walcott") lasting longer. Also, Robbie's guitar sounds more "buried", especially in the superb work on "Sleeping". I know ALL ABOUT Robbie's genius in perfecting subtle, understated guitar in the heyday of supersonic screams-- but I still wish he'd stepped out more in that solo. Does anyone else find that CD versions sound differently mixed? Does anyone know if in fact this is true? Also, are those special (expensive) editions of the CDs in gold and such worth it? Finally (for now)-- I enjoy the CD of the Watkins Glen concert, though for some reason the one I bought had no booklet. But in Barney Hoskyns' book he lists a bunch of tunes I'd LOVE to hear that weren't on the CD. Are they available anywhere? Thanks for the use of the hall...

Wed Jan 20 18:26:28 MET 1999

David Powell

To Bones & other Eric Andersen fans---My copy of Eric Andersen's new album, _Memory of the Future_, is a domestic (U.S.) CD release which I purchased at a discount chain store. The album was just released this month so it may not have reached many stores yet. If you have trouble finding it I suggest you contact Appleseed directly using the information that Peter Viney was kind enough to post.

It's a shame that gifted, established recording artists such as Andersen, the Band, Emmylou Harris & others are relegated to small, independent labels because their music falls outside the current flavor-of-the month trends. However, these labels, such as Appleseed & River North, should be commended for the care they take in presenting this music to the public. The main problem is that these small labels don't have the distribution networks that the big boys have. I guess there is a downside to being under contract to a major label, as many artists on the Universal/MCA & Polygram affiliated labels are about to find out. Following the recent acquisition of Polygram by Seagrams, Universal's parent corporate entity, hundreds of artists are expected to be dropped from the rosters of both companies. The announcements are supposed to begin tomorrow.

Wed Jan 20 17:55:41 MET 1999

John Donabie

TO SARAH:

You will find the lyrics to Chest Fever under the heading of LIBRARY on the mast heading. Just scroll down. Cheers!

Wed Jan 20 17:34:31 MET 1999

Sarah

Hi there everybody. I hope someone out there can put an end to my lyrical frustrations. I am dying to know the complete lyrics to Chest Fever. Am I correct in assuming it has a suitably raunchy story behind it? Boy, do I wish I was born 20 years earlier!

Wed Jan 20 10:37:52 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Eric Andersen: Memory of The Future

My copy is a US one & gives the address as: Appleseed Records, PO Box 2593, West Chester PA 19380, telephone # (610) 701 5755. e-mail FOLKRADICI.@aol.com. Good album too.

Wed Jan 20 09:29:48 MET 1999

Reinhard

Just received a fax from a Dutch wholesaler that lists a new CDby Levon Helm called "Ties That Bind". When I called him he said all he knows is that it is from Australia and supposed to be released in mid-February. Anybody out there knows about this?

Wed Jan 20 08:17:27 MET 1999

Rod

Thanks for adding the 40 min clip of Levon Helm and the RCO allstars. I was happily listening to the Real Audio version when suddenly I got disconnected in the 3rd song.

Oh well, will try again later.

Wed Jan 20 05:48:19 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

A while back in a discussion of Robbie Robertson's appearance on Good Morning America [8/13/98] in which he performed "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" I said that I would post the players. They were: Robbie-guitar; Will Lee-bass; J. Sebastian-harmonica; H. Johnson-tuba; David Sanborn-sax; John Purcell-sax(?) [if not second sax unknown]; John Simon-piano; Rich Madona(?)-drums.

Wed Jan 20 00:45:32 MET 1999

Ragtime

Jonathan: e-mail bounced twice. Don't know why. Please contact me.

Wed Jan 20 00:25:08 MET 1999

Bones

To David Powell: Thanks for your post about Eric Andersen's new record. It sounds great! Is your copy an import? Can I get a cheaper domestic copy?

Wed Jan 20 00:04:36 MET 1999

Jac

I'm still looking for someone who can help me with a recording of "Even If It's a Pig Parts 1&2" If anyone has a copy I'd love to hear it!

Tue Jan 19 23:03:01 MET 1999

Chris Lecky

Thanks Kris. I also heard it didn't sound to good, from someone who had it. Thanks for the help.

Tue Jan 19 22:03:00 MET 1999

Kris P

Chris - Regarding the Band's set at Woodstock - it was great and it went on for a long time. I remember it vividly as I watched it from the front row. But, I (personally) would not pay $40 for CD's of it. Knowing how cheap the CD-R's are, it seems kind of steep to charge that much, IMHO.

Tue Jan 19 21:54:37 MET 1999

Mike

IXNAY ON THE ULLSH**BAY! ANYONE AGREE?

Tue Jan 19 21:13:42 MET 1999

L.G.

To Mr Paul Godfrey... Nice to read some of the stories/experiences you've had with The Hawk. I spoke to Ronnie on Sept. 18, '98 and he's doing real well and has done some recording. A few other projects in the works too. Also, I think Mary is going to update the Hawks web site soon.

Tue Jan 19 19:13:55 MET 1999

David Powell

"I see the light fall through the leaves / it takes its leave of you and me / time takes all that we forget to keep / the future holds a grain of truth / scorns the past as slaves of youth / but future cannot form one memory..." from "Foghorn" by Eric Andersen

In Eric Andersen's new album, _Memory of the Future_ (Appleseed Recordings 1028), memories from the past blur into the present, as the singer stares into the future. Memories like dreams & regrets, longings & emotions, haunt our experience. Such are the seeds to Andersen's songs, and he has become a true craftsman in bringing them to fruition.

His new album presents ten original songs and a haunting cover of Phil Ochs' "When I'm Gone." Just over an hour of brilliant music, wonderfully recorded and played with care. Rick Danko sings backup on two songs & plays bass on one. Garth plays accordian & adds a great tenor sax solo on the aforementioned "When I'm Gone." Richard Thompson adds his trademark sinewy electric guitar on a couple of songs. Andersen's daughter Sari and Eleanor Mills sing beautiful harmonies. Howie Epstein of Tom Petty's band handles bass, guitar & production chores, with fellow Petty bandmate Benmont Tench on keyboards. Current Dylan bassist Tony Garnier also plays on several songs. In addition to helping out with production, Jonas Fjeld plays guitar & keyboards, including a chilling, amplified baritone guitar on the song "Rain Falls Down In Amsterdam."

Part wandering troubadour, part beat poet, Andersen has refined his songwriting into a fine art. I can think of no better album to begin the new year with; perfect listening for a cold winter night. The songs will warm the soul like aged hardwood burning in the hearth. In an age of materialism & detachment, Eric Andersen reminds us of our hearts & conscience with a true spirit of wonder.

"There's an isle of dreams and romance to be everything you can / unending pure excitement where hope it never ends / let's talk about a country that's out in cyberspace / a future somewhere in the mind that now exists without a place / where feelings live forever communication is not blind / and no information that the news distorts can ever make the meaning lie." from "No-Man's Land" by Eric Andersen and Robert Aaron

Tue Jan 19 19:07:41 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

Ragtime: e-mail me

Tue Jan 19 18:29:56 MET 1999

Wolfgang

Latin teacher: You do and YOU'LL clean it up.

Tue Jan 19 15:47:35 MET 1999

Ragtime

PAT BRENNAN: please note that Harm van Sleen mentions a 1965 version of Long Distance Operator with an extra verse, performed by Zimmy himself with the Hawks. I'm still desperately seeking one of these complete versions of Ferdinand.

GRAMMATICE ILKKAAE: tusind tak (unskyld: jeg kan ikke tale Svensk eller Finsk, men jeg kan skrive a lille smule Dansk. Jeg har ogsa laeret Latinisk, men jeg har glemt det hele! Jeg er en gamle mand - pushing age seventy three...). VA BENE!

Tue Jan 19 11:42:12 MET 1999

Spirit of Ilkka's Latin teacher

Re: Serge

Scribendum RAGTIMEae WILLIEae etsi non valuit, tamen magnopere est laudanda, cum amicior omnium libertati quam suae fuerit dominationi.

Tue Jan 19 01:51:27 MET 1999

Serge

Paul Godfrey: I sent Jan H. copies of next day San Fran. and other west coast newspaper accounts of the Last Waltz a year and a half ago. He has chosen not to use any of that material as of now. Perhaps you have something different.

Tue Jan 19 01:40:31 MET 1999

Serge

Ragtime: hate to come on like Wolf and Joseph, but you cannot translate "The Band" into the feminine French as La Bande. The latter in French means "the gang". I know you mean well, but to welcome the guy, it is more correct to say (to a male) " Sois le bienvenu " since you've now appointed yourself the official greeter for this page. Better stick to your Hollander or Netherlander. Leave French alone and I won't say anything in Dutch.

Tue Jan 19 01:29:40 MET 1999

Paul Godfrey

From a Friend and Fan of the Band...not only is this A great Band site...but truly one of the finest web sites I have ever encountered. To John D. I was "taken from the Hills to the Stills" but must admit never made it to the pills. Labatt's stock sure took a beating when I stopped drinkin "50 ale". Can't get on the Hawks site. Says Error code 500 (read error WN/1.140) Longest time I ever spent with Ronnie was flying back from San Fran and the Last Waltz. Got on board, took our seats and he said: "Good night Son" That was it all I heard from him all the way to Toronto. He really needed the sleep and we both had to be on stage that night at the Royal York. Ronnie was the entertainment and I was the MC for that years Grey Cup dance. The Toronto Junior Board of Trade were a little nervous wondering if we would make it back in time. J. Michael Pollard almost caused us to be late after engaging Ronnie in a conversation outside the Kyoto Hotel as we were attempting to catch a cab to the airport. I still have California newspaper next morning accounts of the Last Waltz we might be able to repo here on the site. Are you allowed to do that. John..check your email for my address. Be in touch and SHINE ON!

Tue Jan 19 00:01:37 MET 1999

Jan H.

Swedish artist Ingemar Almros just sent me some of his drawings and watercolors of The Band. I'd like to use his work on the home page, and I'd like to see Elliott Landy's photos and Paul Fleming's paintings there too. Maybe I should create three different home pages and alternate between them or something ... this is a luxury problem that most web masters dream of :-)

Mon Jan 18 23:28:09 MET 1999

Ragtime

THANKS to Harm van Sleen & Jan for adding the Basement article to this website on my request.

Hard to believe that Ruben Remus & Yazoo Street Scandal were originally demos. These two sound the most "drafty"to me...

THIERRY: Les amis de La Bande sont mes amis! Bienvenue!

LIL: are you allright? :-)

Mon Jan 18 21:30:31 MET 1999

Bones

To Andrew from Phila.: That is interesting about the credit to Garth Hudson for some contribution(I assume) for the movie Weeds. I am going to rent it immediately. The new Eric Andersen record just got reviewed in Entertainment Weekly. Does that mean it has been released in the U.S. ?

Mon Jan 18 19:35:08 MET 1999

Serge Daniloff

THIERRY de TORQUAT: je voudrais faire contact avec toi par Email. Content de trouver un fan du Band parisien.. Vous etes rare. Comme tu as vu beaucoup de photo dan ce site viennent de ma collection. Envoie moi un mot. Je suis natif de Caen.

Mon Jan 18 19:21:49 MET 1999

Jake

I saw Rick in Clinton on Saturday night. It sounds like Friday may have been the show to see down at the Tin Angel. As for the show at Atomic Studios, Rick looked like he was out past his bed time. He walked out on stage and immediately dropped his picks. When he bent over, he looked like he pulled something. They got hima stool, and he proceeded. I was with a group of friends, some of whom have not seen Rick except for on the Last Waltz video.He was almost unrecognizeable."Book Fade Brown" was the opener, a great song sung passionately. There was more variet in the show than I had seen in a while from Rick. "Driftin Away" and "Blue River" served as reminders that some of Rick's best work has been with Danko/ Fjeld/ and Anderson. He pulled out the bass for the Chest Fever Encore, letting Randy Ciarlante take lead vocals. His playing there made us wonder why he didn't strap the bass on more often, though it did look uncomfortable. I've seen Rick a lot solo over the last couple of years. This show lacked the energy of all the others. He seemed tired, his voice worn. Rick had to ask Louie Horowitz if they had already done "The Weight". I really think Rick might want to think about playing less short shows, and focus on playing his heart out before he's ready for bed. A ripping 7:30 show would have possibly had more energy. Implicit in thsi entry is the worry that I, my friends, and other fans seemed to share that night. Even songs like "Keep on the Sunny Side of Life" had a tinge of sadness in them, though Rick rallied a bit by adding some ad lib lyrics about his wife being on the beach in Florida. It was very "Bear Montain Picnic Massacre"ish. Rick still has a great spirit, and he's funny as hell, but even he must have read the audience and what seemed to me to be their lack of enthusiasm. Rick, take some time off maybe. Write that autobiography.Open the archives (Rick mentioned old live shows coming out on Woodstock Records: Danko/Butterfield, Danko/Kaukonen, Danko/Manuel Exciting stuff)Take it easy Rick. The neighborhood needs you.P.s.though very rough in places, and lacking the umph, Rick still never went out of key, supporting my sepculation that the man farts in tune too.

Mon Jan 18 18:08:04 MET 1999

Dirty Bird

Dylan sings a version of Long Distance even before the basement in 67, there is a performance from San Fran in 1965 and although the overall affect is less than inspired, (the words are a bit different and hard to decipher and Bob is no Richard Manuel) Robbie's guitarwork is enough to keep me going back for more every now and then. Maybe Richard gave it his own twist (a better one, obviously) or maybe Dylan hadn't yet put the finishing touches on it yet, this we will never know. As for Dylan Robertson collaberations, I am sure Robertson was the main compositional influence on Dylan songs like, Obviously Five, Odds and ends and Leopardskin, just to name a few. These blues numbers are results of years of work and the Robertson's unique spin on the blues is stamped all over these gems. As far as I know RR. didn't have any problems with these songwriting credits, after all he was just one of many influential sidemen from the Blonde on Blonde sessions.

Mon Jan 18 17:53:13 MET 1999

Chris Lecky

I recently found access to a copy of The Band's performance at Woodstock '94. It will cost $40 for a two CD set. I wonder if anyone has heard this, and if it's worth the purchase? I know Bob Weir, and few other guests are on it, but I don't know much else about it. Any help would be great.

Mon Jan 18 16:45:39 MET 1999

The Ragman

I so badly want to believe that Bob Dylan turned around and told the Hawks to "play f**king loud" that I don't even want to hear ANTHING ELSE, unless the information is the pure, unadulterated truth and not some theory!

Mon Jan 18 13:58:43 MET 1999

Martin

That's my email address by the way

Mon Jan 18 13:10:31 MET 1999

Martin

Can anyone send me cassette copies of the genuine basement tapes, volumes 1,2 and 3 as I'm desperate to listen to them. I can send blank tapes or offer in exchange copies of Dylan's electric set at Newport '65, Bob's second electric gig at the holywood bowl (featuring Levon, Robbie, Harvey Brooks and Al Kooper) and the 1969 Isle of Wight set. give me an email if you can assist

Mon Jan 18 11:57:23 MET 1999

Thierry de TORQUAT

Salutations d'un fan du groupe depuis la France (Ils ne doivent pas être très nombreux...). Bravo pour votre sîte, j'ai récupéré notamment quelques belles photos. Bonne continuation à tous et vive la grande musique. "Keep on rockin'" !

Mon Jan 18 10:23:24 MET 1999

Ilkka

Re: David Powell / Fri Jan 15

No, the bass in those pictures is not a fretles one. - To play that instrument you should go the long way from the fiddle to the elctric (like Rick). To take the other way is like to move from the automatic gearshift to the manual.

I can't help to take a byway and cite Bill Wyman from an interview in the Swedish Broadcasting Company:
- With me on bass and Charlie on drums ANYONE could have done ANYTHING.
Not so modest to say. On the other hand the word 'basist' means in Swedish: the poor guy who comes last. The jokes about the stupid bass players in Finland have grown to a folklore, which easily can fill a whole book!

Mon Jan 18 09:42:53 MET 1999

Andrew

I just watched a tape of the movie "Weeds" starring Nick Nolte. I recommend the movie, however that is not why I am posting. The credits for the movie list "Thanks to Garth Hudson". Does anyone know what the story is behind that?

Mon Jan 18 09:42:10 MET 1999

Morgan Klein

Hi, if anyone here would be able to help me locate Hirth Martinez's three cds, I would be so grateful. I have just become aquainted with his work and I love it, but I can't find his three albums domestically and to buy his work imported from Japan costs an arm and a leg. thank you for your help!

Mon Jan 18 08:41:34 MET 1999

Rod

Long Distance Operator is hardly a typical Dylan song hence the suggestion that maybe Richard had a nad in it. Dylan though was capable of writing in many styles - in this respect LDO can probably be seen as a part of a transformation from the likes of Tom Thumb Blues etc to the simpler songs such as Lay Lady Lay. Dylan probably was probably inluenced alot by the early blues people anyway.

One question about The Hawk's collaberations with Dylan is "why aren't there any Dylan / Robertson songs ?". I think answering this would probably help explain alot about Levon's song writing claims.

Mon Jan 18 01:52:27 MET 1999

catbalu

ben, i love you

Mon Jan 18 01:28:56 MET 1999

Jerry Tenenbaum

To John Donabie Thank you very much for letting us know about your interview with Elliot Landy. I enjoyed it very much. It was great hearing the history of some of those wonderful photos. I'm glad to hear that they are available. As you know, I am an avid Dylan and Band collector and saw the Band in their early years as Levon and the Hawks at the Concord Tavern in Toronto. I spoke to you about this at Ed's on Yonge St. At any rate, continued success and keep up the interesting and good work. Jerry

Mon Jan 18 00:01:45 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Ragtime, one of the striking characteristics of Dylan and The Hawks in 67 is the remarkable sense of search that seemed to infuse the songwriting process. There are different versions of many of the songs, and the differences between the versions were often quite pronounced. Dylan may have written the words and melody, then Richard adapted them to his own style. That's what you are probably hearing.

Sun Jan 17 23:46:23 MET 1999

Ragtime

PAT: my "jump" was based on the Operator's syncoping rhythm that seems to be characteristic for Manuel's later work ("We Can Talk", "Jawbone"). But you're right: let's not jump into conclusions.

MUSASHI: I'm afraid the only story behind it is that the movie was considered long enough while mr. Charles wasn't considered famous enough.

Sun Jan 17 23:29:12 MET 1999

Musashi

It seems that Bobby Charles appears on the CD of "Last Waltz" but not in the film of the same title. Does anynone know why this happened? Is there any story behind this?

Sun Jan 17 22:14:59 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Ragtime, I don't think you can make that jump. Dylan wrote "Don't Ya Tell Henry" but Levon sings it, although there is a Dylan performance of it on the real BT. Also, Greil Marcus obtusely infers Danko's participation as co-author of "Henry" in Invisible Republic.

Sun Jan 17 21:52:15 MET 1999

Ragtime

PAT: so you agree with me that it's most likely that Richard actually wrote Long Distance Operator?

Sun Jan 17 21:16:20 MET 1999

Mark Stuart

Sun Jan 17 20:38:28 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Re: Long Distance Operator, although I don't have an original to compare it to, I think it's obvious that the drums were overdubbed later. And although the composition is credited to Dylan, there are no BT versions of the song with Zimmy singing.

Sun Jan 17 18:24:42 MET 1999

catbalu

freddie, i know, i know "my [ignorance] amazes, me i'm [landing] on my feet." i think i've figured out the pilot error. testing, 123. most sincere of apologies to the higher entities in here.

Sun Jan 17 18:13:03 MET 1999

James Ferris

After seeing those new pix of the Band at Levon's, one can't help but be worried about Rick. I only hope his friends are truly on his side and are doing their part to get him healthy again.

Sun Jan 17 18:06:36 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Donald Joseph: See latest Mojo page 94 for a short but complimentary review of Lazy Lester's "All Over you" under "Blues".

The same magazine continues the "Play F***ing Loud" debate on the Letters page. One writer believes it to be the voice of "band-leader Robbie Robertson". Another believes it's actually "Quit talking Bob" from "a member of the Hawks" and adds "no swearing involved, just some loving advice from a band member who knew the strength of the music he was playing." (But let's not get into the debate again).

Sun Jan 17 16:52:26 MET 1999

John Donabie

Paul Godfrey; who has been taken from the hills to the stills and on to the pills, many times over. The man who saw all the Hawks shows in Peterborough. Great to see you on the site.

London? What happened to Sarnia? I hope we can get in touch. How's Levon 2?

Sun Jan 17 16:18:52 MET 1999

Ilkka

TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION:

Some wise words from Uncle Ilkka's ROCKIN' CHAIR. - When I was in my teens and twenties (...I've heard that somewhere...) I used to listen to the music from the previous generation: Lightnin' Hopkins, Muddy Waters, Pete Seeger, white hillbillies and so on. The American popular music seems to touch every generation and other nationalities too. The Band will be Y2K-proof, thanks to you youngsters!

Sun Jan 17 12:05:25 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

Hey Catbalu

A cat's got nine lives you spent 10 hitting the guestbook!

Dropped into Butera's of Massapequa with Mrs. Fishstick last evening. "Stormin Norman" doing his covers was kind enough to do "Southern Cross" and "A Pirate Looks at 40" plus lots of JT & Neil Young- no Friend of the Devil. A very nice show. Have to send him Jubilation.

Sun Jan 17 09:05:59 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Ben Pike, it's nice to see you back but c'mon. You have no problem with the boys recording stuff in 75 and releasing it as a Basement Tape from 67? Or taking Richard piano demos and adding a bunch of instruments to make it seem like the whole group was playing?

Sun Jan 17 08:45:08 MET 1999

Ragtime

PAT: thanks for the Basement comparisons. Any info on the 8th tune: Long Distance Operator? The book I bought was not Heylin's BEHIND THE SHADES, but his DYLAN: BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, dealing with the recording sessions [1960-1994]. Highly informative.

PETER: In the Netherlands all classic Band Capitol recordings are easily available at budgetprice. But most stores file them are filed under "B" or "Miscellaneous B" instead of under "Band". Which annoys me.

Some time ago I was interviewed for a magazin as part of a series: What Music Do Reviewers Like Most? One of the questions was: "Do you like other than classical music?" Oh yes, I said. "Do you listen to rock music?" Oh yes. "What rock music? The Band. "The Band? What Band?" THE Band. "THE Band?" Yes, THE Band. "Oh, now I see! The Dutch Swing College Band!" No, no, no! I never wear tuxedos! THE BAND. "I don't understand! WHAT BAND?" Have you heard of Bob Dylan? "Bob Dylan? Of course I've heard of Bob Dylan! Who hasn't?" Well, THAT BAND!

Now my interview comes out in print & what did I say: I like Bob Dylan and his band...

Sun Jan 17 04:41:15 MET 1999

Bobby Dielynn

Per Dylan's tour web page: Feb 5th Bob & crew are playing a small venue, less than 1000 seats. The night before this they play in....New Orleans. Can there be any smaller place than our old pal Levons???? Make your reservations soon kiddies!

Sun Jan 17 04:25:19 MET 1999

sal

If Fagan is taller, well that's my oversight. He sits most of the time anyway. I still think Levon could take him with one drumstick tied behind his back. Rock On Levon! Sal

Sun Jan 17 03:52:09 MET 1999

catbalu

This place breathes all on its own, doesn't it.... Jan, appreciate your help. (not the sharpest tack in the box) Hamlet, tried to email poem to you but couldn't. you are too kind. Kris, i, too, enjoyed your — and everyone else's — info on Rick's show; i can hear the contagious excitement in all of you. and thank you. Guestbook, you've made up my mind. This spring, i'm taking the train to New Orleans. show my boys their daddy's world through my eyes. And whether anybody's playing or not, we're going to the cafe. time's come to tell the tale and pass it down. Levon, are you listening to all this going on in here. there's only one kind of love and it's unconditional — and i think it has found a resting place in your domain. hope i didn't make a mess of this this time.

Sun Jan 17 02:46:28 MET 1999

Paul Godfrey

Just discovered the Guestbook. Might be worth printing in book form at somepoint. Does anyone know what it says on John Donabies Licence Plate? Ronnie Hawkins calls him the #1 fan of the BAND! Its gonna take some time to catch up on reading the archives. Great stuff. Would be interested in hearing from other Canadians who were at the Last Waltz. John Donabie, Terry David Mulligan, yours truly and my wife Julia are the only ones I know of. SHINE ON! everybody

Sun Jan 17 00:51:13 MET 1999

Ken Payne

Sun Jan 17 00:08:52 MET 1999

Chris D.

Hey Dexy and Nick Tovo,thanks for your interest in my night at Levons.The guests I know of were,Luther Kent,vocals for a couple years with Blood,sweat and tears when David Clayton Thomas took a couple off.An excellent guitarist from "The Meters"and a handful of other local musicians who blow away anyone you might here all day on most FM radio.Sorry about the names,I'll research,the drinks were going down pretty easy!Take it easy!!!!

Sat Jan 16 23:47:02 MET 1999

Ben Pike

Howdy Partners, it's been a strech down the road. Jan, if I could throw in my two cents here: It's hard to imagine SOME of the boys had run threw all there money by 75, 74 must have been one of there best years. If Robbie sweetend up the Band songs on BTs, I see no big ethical thang about it. Some argue the Band songs shouldn't have been on them at all, and I say screw that, they are all classics, and off a peice with the Dylan. In fact, I would say that the Basement Tapes, Dylan's GREATAST moment, took place when he was a Defacto memeber of The Band. Smoke that in your pipe and put it.

Sat Jan 16 22:30:49 MET 1999

John Donabie

To make this an official question...I will ask it to Bill of River North Records. I notice The Band concerts were cancelled or postponed in New Orleans. I read at this site that Rick Danko is back up north doing single shows. Do we know what happened in New Orleans, or is it of a personal nature? Thank you River North.

Sat Jan 16 21:57:04 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

One more thing, Orange Juice Blues from the official box set is the NYC October 1967 demo session and different from the BT release.

Sat Jan 16 21:54:33 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Sorry, Yazoo post is a little vague. The 1975 version and the original--except for some mixing/reverb/echo-is the same.

Sat Jan 16 21:52:07 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Re: Basement Tapes 1975 Columbia Release; I did some comparisons and this is what I found. 1) Orange Juice Blues: guitar, handclaps, and a sax solo were added to original performance. 2) Yazoo Street Scandal: the same. However, the quality--especially in comparison to the original version--makes me think this was recorded someplace other than Big Pink. Hard to say. 3)Katie's Been Gone: whew, drums added, organ/accordian added, background vocals changed/removed/enhanced, etc. 4) Doncha Tell Henry: close mic'ed drums, clean recording, if forced to, I would guess this is one of the purported Shangri-La recordings. 5) Bessie Smith and 6) Aint No More Cane: no comparisons to extant tapes, so hard to say. 7) Ruben Remus: overdubbed drums, vocals removed/enhanced, etc. Am I missing anything? In addition, Odds and Ends, although dated before Levon's arrival, seems to have the full group present and accounted for. I wonder if the studio tricks were also applied to this.

Sat Jan 16 19:40:17 MET 1999

samchaz

Kris P.: Thanks for the formidable job on the set list. I was wearing a white shirt last night.You should have said hi. Rick sure seemed to be enjoying himself last night. At one point he was wearing a toque(a goofy canadian hat). I think it was during Rivers of Babylon. I also found it pretty humorous when Rick donned his glasses and got out the sheet music for High Cotton. The ravages of age I guess. Definitely a good time.

Sat Jan 16 18:58:02 MET 1999

J. Croce

Nice reviews of Rick's show by Mike & Kris. You boys wear lucky to hear High Cotton & Don't Wait as these tunes were not performed at the Towne Crier. To me Don't Wait is Levon's tune. Curious if Rick still works Train of Love into Long Black Veil. Glad you enjoyed the show.

Sat Jan 16 17:28:47 MET 1999

Mike

Went to see Rick last night at the Tin Angel in Philadelphia.A great great show.John Hall opened and did some of his Orleans hits and some new music-one he'd written on Tuesday.He sang very well and played the guitar like a man possesed. He gets a complete band sound all by himself.Then Rick came out with "Prof Louie" on keyboard and accordian.They started off with "Book Faded Brown". Rick seemed kinda wheezy on it but as the night progressed his voice got stronger and stronger.He was really on! He plays guitar in such a unique style- obviously hearing those bass parts as predominant. He and the professor had a fine relaxed interplay that worked.Rick had the crowd sing an instumental interlude on "Blind Willie McTell" that we were all only too happy to oblige with.Thru-out the night he was funny and very engaged with the audience.(At one point ,mid-song,he acted like he was going to follow a pretty woman who walked past the small stage.His banter between songs included some remarks about his recent "Oriental Tour" which got a good laugh.He did wonderful versions of "Stage Fright" and "It makes No Difference" and a surprising, fun "Ophilia". He broke up everyone when he managed to incorporate 4 lines from "Twas the Night Before Christmas" into "Long Black Veil". All night you could definitly see the boy in the man.He had a great time and so did we.John Hall returned for intense versions of "Crazy Momma" and a medley of "Everybody's Baby/Shape I'm In" to end the night.Wonderful-wish you all could have been there.

Sat Jan 16 17:10:36 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Ragtime: The Gold STAGE FRIGHT was around in Tower Records in London (who do mail order by phone) about two weeks ago. They had the Toshiba-EMI version too.I'm perplexed by the unavailability of Band CDS. Tower, London had everything as far as I recall, so did Virgin, London - if you count the Toshiba remasters. They also had high-priced import copies of JUBILATION. In Florida I looked in four record stores, including the Virgin Megastore. All had a few JUBILATION (good sign). They also had the redundant and very short "Best of The Band" (replaced by the much longer The Very Best Of … at least in Europe), plus I saw the budget EMI collection 'The Weight' and a couple of 'The Last Waltz.' But NOT ONE of the classic original albums. Given that any decent British large store would have most of them, it's odd that we can't get JUBILATION here. On the surface there'd appear to be a better British / Continental European market for Band CDs. Another thing is that Capitol (UK & Europe) seem to support the back catalogue extremely well, while Capitol USA doesn't. This is very odd, as Capitol run the Robbie Robertson website and keep publicity going there, even if their presentation is slow and inelegant, and they don't housekeep it in the fine way we're accustomed to here. You would think that would give them an incentive to promote the Band back catalogue. If rumour is true and RR basically owns the back catalogue, then he also has the incentive.

You have to wonder why The Band and River North don't try for Capitol distribution of JUBILATION in the UK and Europe! Generally the North American and European markets are different deals. I guess someone will say "Because of past treatment and because RR is on Capitol", but that would be foolish. The majors often do deals and distribute smaller labels. As I see the press advert for Mercury rev's DESERTERS SONGS, I see it was "Album of The Year" in Uncut and NME, #3 of the year in Melody Maker, "Top 50 of the year" in Q and #6 of the year in Mojo. Every review mentioned The Band, Levon and Garth. LIVE 66 was also placed highly in every magazine's annual summary, also mentioning The Band every time. CLASSIC ALBUMS was a major point last year. So in the wake of all this attention and universally favourable comment, The Band seemingly can't even get JUBILATION released here. This is astonishing.

It may reflect the state of the record industry in general, in that executives make their names by discovering new (equals cheap, inexperienced and easily fooled) talent. The 70s artists can still rack up sales, but if you're a 27 year old executive at Megabucks Records Inc, you get no credit for sales by a long-established artist. Maybe they only want "ironic" releases by older artists, like Tom Jones covering Prince's "Kiss" or Englebert Humperdink's new "Dance" album with drums and bass remixes of "The Last Waltz" (his single, not the Band concert!)

Sat Jan 16 17:03:52 MET 1999

Kris Pancoast

Hey there Nick - good to see you around too! Sam Chaz - was that you in a white shirt last night (at the 11:00 show)? Thought it was you since we met last time, but wasn't sure. Had a good time last night. There were a couple rough spots, but still very enjoyable. One nice surprise of the night (for me) was how much I enjoyed the show opener John Hall. He opened with "Dance with Me" and also did (may not be in the right order) "Still the One", "Give One Heart", "Half Moon", "You can't take it with you when you go", "Two Faced World" and a few other songs, but the best part of the whole night was when he sat at the piano and did "Whispering Pines". What a touching moment. John even said that was a long time dream of his. Rick sat on the side of the stage and cheered him on the whole way. WOW!!

Now for Rick & Professor Louie's part of the show: I got there early enough to hear the end of the first show, and heard a nice version of "Crazy Mama" then "Walkin Blues" into "Shape I'm In". The show I saw went like this: "Wheel's on Fire", "Book Faded Brown" (this was one of the rough parts), "High Cotton", "Don't Wait", "When you awake", "Blind Willie McTell", "Java Blues", "Stage Fright", "It makes no difference" (beautiful as always), "Let the four winds blow", "Twilight", "Crazy Mama", "Next time you see me", "The Weight" (total audience participation song ;-), "By the Rivers of Babylon" (Wow, am I hearing right?!?!) and finally "The Shape I'm In". Nice night out for sure. Thanks guys!

Sat Jan 16 15:55:59 MET 1999

Tom Weiss

Had the pleasure of seeing Rick Danko last night,his voice is so good. I got to chat with him for a few minutes in between shows, he,s very funny and down to earth. He spoke of builing a house for his son in NY. Does anybody have any poop on the Bands offsprings musical aspirations?

Sat Jan 16 15:49:07 MET 1999

Chuck Stricklin

Sat Jan 16 15:42:53 MET 1999

Ragtime

STANLEY: I ordered the 24 Karat version for many weeks in al local record store. They had to order it from the States & made me pay in advance (equivalent of 35 US$!). So I'll have to be patient... Thanks anyway.

Mavis Beacon: Thanks for your instructions. I tried to find the Norwegian & Danish O/ (to be able addressing our webmaster in the correct manner) as you pointed out to my dear friend mr. Wolfgang, but only absurdities appeared. Maybe due to US/European keyboard differences?

BTW I just bought Clinton Heylin's book which seems very revealing in the light of our recent basement dicussions.

Sat Jan 16 15:28:17 MET 1999

Bill

I guess I should have looked at the NYE photos before asking a dumb question. The bassist/guitarist in question apparently was Mike Dunn. What's his Band conection, if that isn't another dumb question?

Sat Jan 16 15:22:03 MET 1999

Bill

Several items: The Danelctro Longhorn bass used on New Years Eve belonged to the bassist from the Crowmatix, the opening band. Rick started the set on his Fender with Stage Fright, kept struggling to keep it in tune, and at the end of the song a stage hand ran out with the Danelectro. Rick and the other bassist/guitarist (who was he, anyway?) then passed the Danelctro and Rick's Gibson acoustic back and forth all night - perhaps the Fender had a bad tuning peg? On the Donald Fagen connection - Levon mentioned inviting him to the club in an interview in OffBeat, the New Orleans music magazine. The only connection (other than Libby Titus) that I can think of is that before the reunion of Steely Dan in 1993 Fagen did a series of shows that evolved into the New York Rock and Soul Revue, and on at least a few of those shows (but not the CD) Rick played bass. Fagen is a big fan of classic and obscure R&B (and Dylan), which may also be a connection of sorts. As odd as it may seem that Levon could be freindly with his ex-wife's hsband, don't forget that George Harrison and Eric Clapton are still friends. And actually, I would bet that Fagen is taller than Levon.

Sat Jan 16 15:12:46 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

Ragtime: I bought the Gold Karat version of Stage Fright at HMV in downtown Toronto. It was the only copy but I'm sure they can order more. If you're interested, let me know and I'll look up their phone number and post it for you.

Sat Jan 16 15:07:44 MET 1999

franko

Did anyone see Rick at the Tin Angel last night?

Sat Jan 16 13:41:31 MET 1999

Mavis Beacon

Dear Mr Wolfgang,

Try OPTION-u, followed by whichever character you wish to place it over. / ü / Most accents are lurking in the standard system somewhere, even the Euro symbol if you have the latest upgrades. You can also switch keyboard languages to get less frequent characters and accents, but this would seem obsessive in an e-mail environment. There is an etiquette question particularly on proper names, which makes it impolite to ignore accents. In the early 70s, when computers hadn't taken over it was common English-language typing practice to ignore all accents. There was no other choice unless you bought a typewriter designed for the language in question. Nowadays it is easy. In WORD, go to INSERT. Then SYMBOLS. Set this to (normal text). The default setting is the symbol font, which you don't want. Then click on an accented letter. That'll insert it, but is too unwieldy for everyday typing. But the shortcut keys will appear at the bottom. e.g. The most important character for this site is ø which is simply OPTION-o, é is OPTION-e, then e again.

Sat Jan 16 12:53:08 MET 1999

Alan Cunningham

I honestly have been looking for a place like this for years. I am an avid fan of the Band, and have been for years. Most people would consider that almost impossible for somebody my age, 21, but I am a musician and my dream is to someday meet the surviving members of the Band. I am a US Army soldier in the Republic of Korea. God you all should really hear the way people carry on when I turn on the Stage Fright CD. They honestly can't see why I listen to this stuff. I have performed a lot of their songs, and would just love to jam with them someday, although I know that this is impossible. The Band's music is almost fully responsible for all of my influence. What's this i hear about Levon being sick? I really would be disheartened at news of that, and my prayers are with him and the rest of the Band. If any of the members just happen to read this post, and you really want to make a lonely soldier happy, email me if you have the time. It is lonely here in Korea, and all I have to keep me company is my Epiphone guitar and my collection of Band CDs. You guys never cease to amaze me... From a devoted fan, a soldier, and a fellow musician, thank you for making what is, in my opinion, the most artistic, technically proficient, and just plain good music. And will someone let me know if they are going to be in Texas, 'cause that's where i will be living when I return to the States, and I am willing to drive all the way to Maine to see them live, but would much rather see them in Texas or Arkansas.

Sat Jan 16 09:32:19 MET 1999

Rumors

Was thinking about all the posts last summer about Levon's health and now about the cancelled shows......

"some of your neighbors, will invite it right in..."

...."they'll repeat the rumor again...."

...."could there be someone, among this crowd, who'se been accused, ....and his privacy refused..."

Sat Jan 16 09:07:31 MET 1999

Mic

Just called Levon's club and was told The Band shows have been cancelled. So it's true. Don't know why. As for speculation: remember all the old rumors and guessing about Levon's health? Don't think any of us should make the same mistake by speculating about the cancelled shows (or the cropped photo for that matter) We just don't know. Maybe someone will find out and post some facts. Let's hope so.

Sat Jan 16 08:14:02 MET 1999

Ragtime

PAT

It think there's just one simple explanation for your disturbing photo story: a lazy & ignorant journalist. These guys are not clever enough to conspire like Soviet censors... But if I were Landy I should sue them for mutilating my work.

STANLEY:

Where did you find this "other mix" Stage Fright version? In a regular Toronto record shop? I'm desperately seeking it for some time now, but here in the land of the wooden shoes nobody seems to have heard of it.

Sat Jan 16 06:01:40 MET 1999

Charlie Young

I liked Bill's "Chest Fever" story and compared his version of the lyrics to my copy of the original songbook for the first two albums. The words were virtually identical except for one subtle variation: Bill said "she's stoned, said the Swede" while the songbook says "she's stone." Bill's version works better with the "juicer" line, however, and my songbook has at least one major typo. In "We Can Talk," the line which is sung as "the flames have turned to char" is printed as "the leaves have turned to chalk." The funniest variation of lyrics of songs by The Band may be found on the sheet enclosed with the Japanese Pastmasters CD edition of NLSC. Hilarious mis-hearings abound: in "Forbidden Fruit" the line "in hot pursuit out on a limb" becomes "ain't hard to suit without water lamb" (!?!); in "Hobo's Jungle" the line "I'm in no one's debt" becomes "I'm in noon's bed"; the line in "Ring Your Bell" sung as "open up your shell" becomes "run up your shelves"; and in "Jupiter Hollow" the line "like a comet I was hurled" comes out as "like a cormorant I was furled." I'm not making this up...

Sat Jan 16 04:57:03 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

I saw something very disturbing today. A friend of mine's mother brought home an entertainment magazine from New Orleans that featured Levon's new club/restaurant. The article had a number of photos accompanying it. One was the famous Landy shot of the boys in the rain that graced the Brown Album. However, Robbie Robertson was cropped out of the shot, and the caption read that is was a picture of the Band post-Robbie Robertson. If Elliot Landy checks out this site, I'm curious if anyone asked him if they could violate his photo like that. I'm also curious who gave the photo to the magazine. I'm also curious why the editor of the magazine didn't recognize the absurdity of the cropped shot. Perhpas he/she just didn't know enough about The Band to recognize the photo. Or, worse yet, perhaps the editor was steered in that direction by someone who didn't want Robertson's picture in what many people consider the finest picture of the group. The implications of such a move are mind-boggling. I hope there's a really simple reason for it.

Sat Jan 16 04:38:26 MET 1999

Ophelia

Just wondering if any of you smart guys and gals out there know if Rick will ever be able to tour outside of the USA due to his drug conviction. Sure do miss his concerts here in Toronto. It's been a long time since he played here. I want to rock and roll with Ricky!! WOO-HOO!!!!!!

Sat Jan 16 04:19:03 MET 1999

Jac

I'd like to get a recording of "Even if it's a Pig" Parts1&2. Can anyone help with this?

Sat Jan 16 02:05:30 MET 1999

samchaz

I'm heading up to see Rick tonight at the Tin Angel. Haven't seen him since his last performance there. Definitely stoked!!!! Nicky T: I'm still out here in cyberland and will give my best attempt at a report on the show for ya'. Listening room my ass! I'll be yelping it up. Lucky thing I checked out the page the other day or I would have missed this show. It was the first time I checked it out in a couple of months. Lots of good thing s going on that's for sure. How about Levon's bar? I need more on that. King Harvest has surely come!!!!!

Sat Jan 16 00:57:54 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

I bought the "Gold Karat" CD of Stage Fright, the one with the "other" mix. I was really pissed off when I put it on my computer CD player and found that one of the speakers was broken. I decided to listen to it anyway and it was quite an amazing experience. It was like listening to an album I'd never heard before. I'm not sure how much of that was due to the different mix, and how much of it was as a result of hearing the stuff that was only on one of the stereo channels in isolation. (I'll find out when I listen on my other CD Player).

Biggest surprise? Richard's piano playing which I always thought to be just OK, as compared to the others'instrumental playing. But he really plays well, particularly on the Rumor. I also heard some subtle riffs by Garth and Robbie that I never fully appreciated until I heard them in isolation, and some wonderful bass and drum interplay between Rick and Levon. I may just listen to the Brown album the same way and hear what I can hear.

Sat Jan 16 00:48:56 MET 1999

Wolf

Ragtime with the wooden shoes. I live in the USA, don't have an Umlaut on my keyboard. Go back to your tulips.

Sat Jan 16 00:38:45 MET 1999

Dexy

CHRIS D. who was in New Orleans last week: More info, please on Levon's performance. Did he sing? How did he look and sound? Who played with him? Thanks for the info.

Sat Jan 16 00:38:35 MET 1999

Bones

Donald Fagan is currently married to Libby Titus? Wow, I had no idea. I want to make reservations to see Levon's Club, but I'm not sure when a good time would be. Obviously, I would like to see them all together. I hope eveyone will continue giving us reports of the place.

Sat Jan 16 00:20:05 MET 1999

Ragtime

That's wHisper... oh... oh... and I didn't want to get involved in one of those wolfiedonald disputes...

Sat Jan 16 00:12:20 MET 1999

Ragtime

Hamlet & Catbalu: I enjoyed your poems. Mike: you must be proud of these guys!

Herr Wolf: I'm sorry but I have to boo boo to you too. If you really lived in Düsseldorf you'd know how to spell it. If you give me a keyboard that can attach the _e_ to the _o_ I'll be happy to do it für Ihnen. Und etwas anderes: if you refer to the Künstler's entire output & not to the works you should use the singular. Aber das wissen Sie ja doch schon lange weil Sie ja Französisch kennen... Und Herr Wolf bitte! Warum schreiben Sie Düsseldorf ohne Umlaut? Übrigens: bitte diskutieren Sie über all dieses mit Herrn Donald Joseph, Ihren intellektuellen Freund aus Chicago im Schnee.

Sorry about that folks. I'll try to make the pines wisper again.

Sat Jan 16 00:08:40 MET 1999

Nick Tovo

Chris D. from Jersey- Nice post. Who were the incredible guests at Levon's club? Nice to see your still out their Kris P. I look forward to a report on the show. Hope you had a great time. Where are you Sam Chaz?

Fri Jan 15 23:02:56 MET 1999

Wolf

My apologies the Herr Josef Donald. I made boo boo when typing his First or Last ?! name.

Fri Jan 15 22:59:29 MET 1999

Wolf S.

Ragtime, don't pat yourself on the back too hard. I pointed out to Herr Joef last Jan. 9 that he had spelled "Oeuvre" wrong. The first two letters should be attached to each other of course. You screwed up too...When referring to " Their" work, you must use the plural form and say 'Oeuvres'. As in " Hors d'oeuvres". Sorry, you asked for it by bragging.

Fri Jan 15 22:27:54 MET 1999

Chris D.

Just got back fom New Orleans,what a week!My mission was completed Sat.night when Levon took the stage and did a couple songs with some INCREDIBLE guests.Great club though not quite finished.We sat in reserved seats{not that they were reserved for us}and drank martinis and listened to "Band"tunes until Bourbon St.called us over.We met some cool people,Lee from Tex.,part-owner Carmen from Jersey and Kim the waitress.A night I will not soon forget!!

Fri Jan 15 22:17:55 MET 1999

David Powell

I have a question for Ilkka or any of you bass players out there. In the pictures that Jan posted here yesterday of the Band playing in New Orleans on New Year's Eve, is that a Danelectro Longhorn bass that Rick is using?

Fri Jan 15 21:59:43 MET 1999

JOHN CASSARINO

I WAS WONDERING HOW LEVON IS DOING THE LAST TIME I SAW RICK DANKO DEC 19 AT A CLUB TOADSTOOL HARRY'S IN VT I WAS TOLD THAT LEVON WAS SICK BUT OPENING A CLUB IN NEW ORLEANS AND THAT VH1 WAS GOING TO DO A SPECIAL ON IT RICK DIDN'T GET INTO DETAL BUT IT SOUNDED SERIOUS. IF IT IS TRUE MY PRAYERS ARE WITH LEVON AND ALL THE REST OF THE BAND

Fri Jan 15 21:07:42 MET 1999

Mike

Kris- My wife and I are going to the Tin Angel tonight to see Rick. Can't wait. To say it kindly, there is always a certain element of "whats gonna go down...is he gonna show.."etc. with solo Rick.That kind of adds to the sense of moment involved with a live show- Rick's shows are always a bit more "live" than most peoples. but when he connects its real. Maybe we'll see you there tonight.

Fri Jan 15 20:49:00 MET 1999

Kris Pancoast

Hey Now - Sundog - the Merl show sounds like it's gonna be F-U-N fun!!

Anyone gonna be around for the Rick show in Philly tonight? Sam Chaz, Jake from Pennington? Anyone?

Catbalu - I loved your imagery.

Fri Jan 15 19:54:06 MET 1999

Ragtime

tri: one addition for you: (two actually)

Take your time for every new album before you move on to the next one. AND: don't listen to the live albums before you know the studio versions thoroughly. But Mike Mike told you this already.

Fri Jan 15 19:36:33 MET 1999

Ragtime

tri from Boston: Welcome!

The best way to learn about The Band's development - which had many highlight but also a few flaws - is listening to their albums just in chronological order. So start with Music From Big Pink and work your way through their _oeuvre_ (this is a frequently used word in this guestbook but I'm the only one who knows how to spell it!).

When you have passed The Last Waltz you should consider their solo work as well. After that there will be bonuses like their early work & the rarities.

This will take time & money, but it will be worth every penny & minute! You'll enjoy it.

Nice to hear that we're all... er... nice & sincere...

Fri Jan 15 19:26:12 MET 1999

Mike

TRI- You can't go wrong with the brown album.It's a classic in every way.Rock of Ages is great but its effect is greater if you know the tunes in their original versions first.Its a live album with horns and really rocks.Jerico is a super album by the current line-up.Some folks on this site seem not to like it as well as I do-IMO its as good as anything from the the 60-70s era group. Big Pink is also a must have.I'm happy to think of all the great music you'll be hearing with fresh ears.Enjoy.

Fri Jan 15 19:23:06 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

CATBALU : Very nice; Donald Joesph: All you need to do is look up MERL SAUNDERS on the web!!!

Fri Jan 15 18:34:33 MET 1999

tri

I'm a newcomer here, but I've been reading the posts for a few days and everyone seems nice and sincere. That's refreshing. Anyway I've just recently starting listening to the"Band" last couple of year's, but I only had one cd(best of) until recently. I just read Levon's book and want a good place to start learning about the Band. What cd's can someone recommend to get started Thanks.

Fri Jan 15 17:18:53 MET 1999

Jerry

You're right, John, rumours are bad, and no I don't have any evidence, I did say IMHO and it is just an observation. I would think that if I were in a band and one of my main guys opened a club, I wouldn't l leave him alone after a couple weeks.

Fri Jan 15 17:13:05 MET 1999

Izumi Yamamoto

The Band is my favaiorit ever. Levon is the greatest!

Fri Jan 15 16:44:28 MET 1999

John Donabie

JERRY C: I take it you have first hand information on this? Remember the last cut on Stage Fright! They can be dangerous!

Fri Jan 15 16:44:19 MET 1999

Sal

Disappointed to hear The Band shows have been cancelled. Continue to wonder what the truth is behind these aborted attempts to promote "Jubilation" for any considerable lenght of time. Also, I am very curious if Donald Fagan (as Levon, I believe had mentioned in his press release prior to the clubs opening) had shown up to play with anyone down at the club. The fact that he would even mention his ex wifes (Libby Titus) new husband was a surprise to me . I could see Levon giving Libby a hard time: "what are you doing with that wimpy little guy anyway ?". Anyway, an interesting combination. Fagan does(or at least did) own a former Dylan home in Woodstock, so perhaps they have developed some sort of relationship. Any "Dan Heads" that have any info re this interesting combination, please post. Thanks! Sal

Fri Jan 15 16:37:25 MET 1999

Jerry C

IMHO, Levon's club is in trouble. We heard the stories about how the place almost didn't open and now The Band cancels their dates and leaves Levon to fend for himself. It just feels like the Titantic to me and the crew is jumping ship before it sinks.

Fri Jan 15 12:46:18 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

llkka: I just had to smile when I read your post. I don't fly often, or even far, but I too have what I call a survival cassette for when I do. Takes my mind off that turbulence, and the idea that all those tons of metal and steel is just somehow suspended up in the air that way. Whispering Pines is on my cassette too. Something very soothing about Richards voice there.

And btw....survival cassettes also work for those end-of-your-ropes-kids-home days.

Charlie Hawker: Where are you going? Where are you going.......

Fri Jan 15 11:56:30 MET 1999

Ilkka

PETER VINEY / SACRED HARP

Comment to the Notes: I have a vinyl LP from 1970 and I agree with You about the bass; a fretles electric played with a plekta. This kind of bass is difficult to play. I became soon aware of my limits.

I'm waiting for the discussion about 'THE PINES'. I flew over Southern England the other day and your pines looked great. But sorry, RAGTIME, it was cloudy over the Dutch Mountains. They kept their secret once again.

BTW I have 'The Sacred Harp' in my survival-cassett, which is ment to keep me calm in the aircrafts. I recommend it to all. Among 'The Pines' of course.

Fri Jan 15 09:47:51 MET 1999

Ragtime

Danny Lopez:

Sorry, that was disagree with PB and agree with Ragtime. I'm grabbing the credits for loving Get Up Jake's studio recording better than the live version. One of my reasons - apart from the startling enthusiasm & the guitar work, is Levon's more pronounced role, starting with the opening chorus that was omitted on ROA. It's a great tune anyway.

Re Caledonia Mission. Some time ago someone here (Peter V.?) called it a flaw that The Band used to repeat their repertoire on stage without making new arrangements. Well, sometimes they did: Get Up Jake & (in some way) Caledonia Mission are among the few examples.

Fri Jan 15 08:57:07 MET 1999

Charlie Hawker

Just saw that the Brown album is listed in the PBS Modern Rock Top 10.

Fri Jan 15 06:18:55 MET 1999

Danny Lopez

Sorry, that was disagree with PB and agree with DJ.

Fri Jan 15 06:16:06 MET 1999

Danny Lopez

Just got the Tribute to Woody Guthrie cd (the one that combines the Carnegie and Hollywood Bowl concerts) and the 25th Anniversary Woodstock box set from the local library. The three tunes the boys do with Bob (Ain't Got No Home, Dear Mrs.Roosevelt, and Grand Coulee Dam) are awesome. As most of you know, this was Zimmie's first public appearance since the motorcycle accident, and the sound is pure Basement Tapes. Oh, those wonderful (somewhat discordant) background vocals – was that Richard or Ricky on that high note??!! – don't want to get that issue started again!). The three tunes (Long Black Veil, the Weight, and Loving You is Sweeter Than Ever) on the Woodstock box set don't come off as well. A lot of you – (oldtimers? Hey, I was only 4 in ‘68!) – have waxed eloquent on the "spaces" in classic Band music and note the wall of sound in later years. Well, for my tastes, the Woodstock show was a little too sparse. Anybody else feel the same? Finally, I have to agree with Pat Brennan and agree with Donald Joseph that Get Up Jake is vastly superior in the studio. This was the first version I ever heard, and apart from that influence, I just like the more pronounced guitar sound. On a similar matter, why was Caledonia Mission so changed on ROA? Why were those intense Ricky-Richard outbursts on the chorus done away with? Any ideas?

Fri Jan 15 04:59:46 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

I agree that Clinton Heylin's "Bob Dylan: The Recording Sessions" is a good source of information about the basement tapes. [Its also great for those bootlegged collections of Dylan outtakes.] However, there are many who find mistakes in his work. Also good is the discography in Greil Marcus's "Invisible Republic." I agree with Scott Tribble that Marcus' text is self indulgent [to put it mildly]. Don't forget John Howell's web site [http://www.punkhart.com/dylan/reviews/basement_tapes.html]. He takes the "Genuine Basement Tapes" song by song. On a listing I read of 1998's 10 best recordings a Washington Post writer stated that "Mermaid Avenue" was reminiscent of Dylan and the Band's basement tapes. Has anyone out there listened to this, and was the reviewer on target??

Fri Jan 15 04:44:54 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

For now, I again highly recommend CLinto Heylin's "Bob Dylan-The Rcording Sessions." There is an extensive discussion of The Basement Tapes which includes the best analysis of the recording chronology. He also deals with the purported doctoring of the Band material.

Fri Jan 15 04:32:13 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Re: Chest Fever, doesn't Dylan sing about the Swede somewhere on Blonde On Blonde? Re the origins of the Band material on the Basement Tapes, sit tight.

Fri Jan 15 04:18:52 MET 1999

catbalu

The fire glowed the band played on
Been awhile since the sun'd gone down

We heard him scratch with a tired paw
And opened the door to what we saw

He wasn't really hungry, no
Just heard the sound pulled from the bow

And followed it til he saw the light
He knew he'd be welome through the night

It can be cruel what seems so kind
and leave a wanderer feeling blind

Those woods so lovely dark and deep
Aren't near as lovely as a good night's sleep.

(cat, I just removed your duplicate and took the liberty of formatting your poem to make it look better on the web. --JH)

Fri Jan 15 04:10:19 MET 1999

catbalu

RAGTIME, LIL, FRANO, SUNDOG, ROD, DONALD i'm glad this room is for everyone who loves the band for whatever reason. i think they've earned that.

Fri Jan 15 03:49:43 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

STANLEY LANDAU: Yup, I think you're right. Levon is playing mandolin on Henry, so Richard must be on drums. And idea who's drumming on Bessie though?

Fri Jan 15 03:09:13 MET 1999

Bill

A brief tale about the lyrics to Chest Fever - I play in a local Pittsburgh bar band (Sandoz)that now only appears a few times a year because one of the members moved away. We did a lot of Band covers as well as other artists (Dead, Dylan, Steely Dan, etc) and about 1/2 original material. We opened for Rick and Richard in December 1985, certainly one of the high points of my musical hobby. They were both very friendly and entertaning. Since we were thinking about learining Chest Fever I asked Richard what the unintelligible lyrics really were. He said "I know she's a tracker, any Scarlett would back her. They say she's a juicer, but I just can't refuse her." Another stumper turned out to be "She's stoned said the Swede, and the mooncalf agreed." He rolled his eyes a bit as if to say "beats me what the hell Robbie meant." We were all devastated three months later when we lost Beak. A year later Rick came through again, this time with Paul Butterfield, and again we got to open. A fine show despite the amount of substance abuse apparently going on (all we saw was alcohol). It was Butterfield's last public performance - he had some kind of seizure that night and went to a local hospital. They released him a few days later and he returned to L.A. where he died. (We dedicated our first recording to Richard and Paul). A couple of us also opened for Levon with his 1987 (?) all-stars including Max Weinberg. I haven't actually talked to any of these guys in over 10 years but they were all gentlemen, unusually nice to us locals, and very enthusiastic musicians even after all those years on the road. Bill

Fri Jan 15 03:02:10 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

Diamond Lil: I believe Levon is playing mandolin and Richard is playing drums on Dont Ya Tell Henry.

Fri Jan 15 00:56:05 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

RAGTIME: Very good question as to who's playing drums on Bessie. My first instinct tells me it's gotta be Richard, as I believe Levon hadn't officially rejoined The Band at that point. In fact, for most of the material that was done with Dylan, Richard and Robbie (yes, Robbie) played drums. Levon was back however, when alot of the material by The Band was recorded, and I believe he was the drummer on Yazoo and Dont ya tell Henry. But hmmm...that still doesn't answer the question, does it? Anyone out there know if it was indeed Richard on drums in Bessie Smith?

BTW..I had the pleasure of hearing Richard on drums live many times, and he was very impressive. Someone once said that Levon Helm is the only drummer who can make you cry (Greil Marcus?), but it wasn't hard for Richard to achieve that same effect where I was concerned.

Fri Jan 15 00:27:29 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

High Everyone, I want to tell DONALD JOESPH great news, and then I'll bet cha (did I spill thatr write!) he'll come up to see our show! In a nutshell-*MERL SAUNDERS*is going to be a guest on "SUNDOG" in March!!! Hey, DEADHEADS NEVER FALL, THEY JUST KEEP "TRIPP'N". Peace, Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Fri Jan 15 00:21:21 MET 1999

Ragtime

Peter: nice to have you back. We missed you when it was chilly in Chicago & we discussed the Basement tapes. Looking forward to your next article... now let me guess what it'll be about...

if you find me in a gloom...

Lil: Robbie & Rick AND Garth make "Bessie Smith" so very attractive. Who's playing drums? Richard?

Thu Jan 14 22:52:50 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Spooky tales: Just before I went away I said I'd have a look at 'Whispering Pines' soon. Our Florida hotel was full of cigar-smoking convention people. On the second night, the message button was flashing on our room phone. I didn't get the names, but the message was "Hi (name), we're going out of the hotel for dinner. If you want to meet up we'll be at the Whispering Pines at Ford Wilderness." Spooky. If one of them had been called Richard I'd have fainted. I couldn't believe that a restaurant in Orlando of all places would have chosen that name. I looked it up, and the restaurant is actually called the Whispering Canyon. Must have been someone with the Band on their mind and a wrong number!

I missed the Basement Tapes discussion, but you all said it all.

Thu Jan 14 22:23:10 MET 1999

franko

psst...ah, the Band has cancelled its January dates, but, ah, it isn't because of Levon, Levon's OK. I can't tell you why they cancelled, so don't ask...

Why must everything be such a mystery around here?

Does anyone know if they cancelled their January shows? Does anyone know why they cancelled? Does anyone know if they have rescheduled?

(I recommend Feb. 3rd and 4th. I can't tell you why, but I can tell you that I won't be in Boston those evenings)

I'll give the Cafe a call tomorrow and see what I can find out, but I sure would be proud of the Guestbook is someone within its pages had the answers.

Oh, no, should I have put an apostrophe in "its"? Did I spell "apostrophe right? The stress of typing this entry is getting to me. But I can see a light snow falling outside my window, and by the fire, Jake my dog is stretching the sleep from his body, so, with a half hour before dark all that remains of this glorious "working from home" day, off we go.

Thu Jan 14 22:10:05 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

CATBALU: Welcome! Nice to have a new kid on the block. Some of us are very happy to see posts that come from a "peaceful state of mind".

RAGTIME: You mentioned Bessie Smith, which just happens to be one of my all-time favorite Band tunes. Rick and Robbie, together on that one....works.

HAMLET: The ghost of a dog past. Really enjoyed the poem. Thanks.

AL VACADO: Very intriguing post. The lyrics to Chest Fever have always perplexed me too. Seems that each time I listen, I hear something different. I know the lyrics (which I'm not completely conviced are accurate) are printed on this site, but it's always fun to hear what I hear each time. "I love cheese and crackers" is great. Each time I play the tune I'll think of that and smile now.

DONALD JOSEPH: It's snowing here, 8 below zero. Wind chill factor minus 30. Just wanted to keep you updated on the weather since I know how you like that stuff. It smelled like winter, it all felt fine.......

Thu Jan 14 21:49:39 MET 1999

Alun Jones

I've loved The Band since I first heard the strains of "Chest Fever" in a second hand record store in Porthmadoc in the late sixties - and I still love their stuff. This is a superb website I've been browsing it for a week or two know- Ifeel at home. I agree "Aint No More Cane.." is a stonking good song and can live with their best. Regards. Al

Thu Jan 14 20:16:56 MET 1999

Chris

Check out this new BAND SESSION, & another great CD from Colin:-

Colin Linden's latest CD "RAISED BY WOLVES", details at:- http://www.colinlinden.com

Richard Bell (piano/organ) appears most tracks, also credited for horn arrangements.

Album also includes great cover of the Linden/Weider song "Love's Like Rain" (previously heard on the Weider produced Paul Burlison 'Train Kept A-Rollin' CD).

Thu Jan 14 16:31:40 MET 1999

Martin

Regarding Band tunes on the Basement Tapes, Helm states in his biography that versions of all 8 tunes were recorded in the basement in 67, although whether or not it is these versions which appear on the album is unclear. Clinton Heylin suggests in 'Dylan: behind closed doors' suggests that the band tunes were not recorded in the basement at all, and that 2 were in fact piano demos taped in 1975. Heylin neglects to mention which songs specifically and on what basis he forms this assumption. The fact that 'Aint no more cane' and 'Dont ya tell Henry' were performed at woodstock would seem to support Helm's claim that these songs at least were an established part of the band's repertoire at this point, although a comparison of the Woodstock and BT versions would give a better indication. Barney Hodgkyns also suggests that the band's tunes on the BT album are from their original demo sessions prior to big pink. The ambiguity of each case would seem to suggest that someone is telling porky pies and has not done their research properly, and since Helm was there at the time I am inclined to believe that some if not all of the BT tunes were in fact recorded in the basement at big pink albeit some time after the initial sessions with Dylan. Feel free to correct me if you think I'm mistaken.

Thu Jan 14 16:00:31 MET 1999

Hamlet

TO DONALD:

I had for my winter evening walk

No one at all with whom to talk,

But I saw the pink house in the snow

On a winter's night so long ago.

And I thought I saw the folk within:

I heard a fiddle and voices sing.

I had a glimpse through curtain laces

Of youthful forms and youthful faces

I scratched the door, they let me in,

I heard them ask me where I'd been.

I shook the cold and found the bone I lost

And prayed for mercy from Old Man Frost.

Thu Jan 14 15:59:11 MET 1999

David Powell

It seems the Basement Tapes will always be a source on controversy. Why the "actual" recordings were never officially released in their raw, natural form is a shame. Authors such as Heylin & Spitz have written that Dylan allowed Columbia to release them as a financial favor to the Band. Since Dylan is notoriously "undisciplined" when it comes to the studio recording process, this probably explains why Robertson ended up in control of "cleaning up" the tapes for release. The result was that different songs were substituted and the rawness & spontaneity were sucked out of the music in general to some degree. The bottom line is that by 1975 it was the money, not the music, that mattered to those in control. The music that had been played & recorded so informally around Woodstock, almost as a lark, had become just another commodity to be packaged & marketed.

For my friend Don & others who may be interested in Eric Andersen's new album, _Memory of the Future_, released on the Appleseed Records label, it is available through the Tower Records website at:

http://www.towerrecords.com

This is not an endorsement, but Tower has that title & several of Andersen's other albums currently listed at a sale price. Just type in Eric Andersen in the space provided for artist search & you'll get a list of the titles available. When you click on "Memory of the Future" you will also be able to listen to some sound samples of some of the songs from that album.

BTW--Appleseed is a small label based in Westchester, Pa. devoted to folk recordings. They released an album by Ramblin' Jack Elliott entitled _Kerouac's Last Dream_ that is perhaps the finest studio recording he's ever done.

Thu Jan 14 14:09:18 MET 1999

John Donabie

F.Y.I.

For those living in the Toronto area who can receive CFRB 1010. I will be interviewing Elliott Landy between 6-7 pm on Saturday night. Talking about The Band....Woodstock....and his body of work. Taping it this morning.

Thu Jan 14 13:26:27 MET 1999

catbalu

Don: sorry to offend you with my peaceful state of mind. perhaps i should put the computer in the basement and quit enjoying the view outside. i'm new in here and forget that some folks live in the concrete world. i'll be more careful from now on. everybody have a good day and be NICE to each other.

Thu Jan 14 10:56:51 MET 1999

Ragtime

Sorry about the errors in my last post (I don't want to get involved in one of those bitter wolfiedonald spelling disputes...

There's one more thing I must ask... Songs like "Yazoo Street Scandal" (Levon singing nevertheless), "Katie" & "Ruben Remus" & the fragmentary "Ferdinand" sound like early drafts to me. So these should be the real early ones? Am I right?

Rod:

Yes "No More Cane" is out of key. Amazing! Because it never bothered me before.

Thu Jan 14 09:51:08 MET 1999

Ragtime

Donald Joseph: Comments please?! Yess Ssirr!

No comments on snow & nature? King Winter Has Surely Come!

Yes I agree, "No Cane" is one of the best things they ever did. It has 4 verses, so more or less they HAD to sing all 4 of them since it is a estafette-like chain gang song. BTW Robbie sings on "Bessie Smith" too (that is, Rick helps him to stay in tune)

Pat Brennan:

Please help us. Which 2 tuens were recorded in '75. My guess is "Henry" & "No Cane". Re "Jake": like most of us I knew & loved it for many years in the ROA version. When the Kingdom compilation came I heard the studio version for the first time. I was astonished at first, but now I prefer it to the live version. It has an enthusiast freshness that keep startling me. "Endless Highway": I prefer Watkins Glens (featuring Garth's organ) to BTF (faster & featuring Robbie's guitar solo). Still wondering if a studio version was ever made.

Lil:

I moved back to M$ Explorer to avoid little WordPerfect voices hiding in Netscape :-)

Thu Jan 14 09:35:35 MET 1999

Rod.

Donald, interesting point you made about Levon not slagging Robbie of over the Basement Tapes.

I have always assumed Ain't No More Cane is from around '67 as the voices sound similiar to how they sound on Big Pink. The quality of the recording (the bass for instance is way out of tune) suggests that it's not a "professional" studio job.

The box CD version of Orange Juice sounds more true to the Basement Tapes sound than the BT version - but I prefer the later version. I was always under the impression that the tapes from the sessions where the first version of OJ was recorded were destroyed in a fire. May be not! Where are the rest of the songs?

Thu Jan 14 07:51:01 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

All you posting hommages to snow & nature: Find a more appropriate website.

Re the Basement Tapes Band tunes: One of you said the tunes "obviously" don't fit on the album, while someone else said RR fooled G.Marcus with the provenance of the recordings. Which is it?

I always understood The Band had been flailing in the studio, unproductive, around the time of Moondog -- they wasted time on the "Works" project, and the way I heard it, Ricky had alcohol/drug problems which affected his attendance & contribution. I don't think they had a fresh studio l.p. in them between Moondog & NL/SC. The idea recently posted for a "rarities" type l.p. released in that period may have helped fulfill one installment on the contract obligation to Capitol. Too bad they didn't do it.

I still don't understand how RR got the power to force the Band tunes onto the Basement Tapes album: It was a Zimmie project on Zimmie's label, yet Jamie R. was pushing everyone around -- huh? And why the cover-up as to the Band tunes' subsequent recording date? Was Marcus really fooled, or was he a co-conspirator? Which were the 2 tunes recorded in '75? Why wasn't "Beautiful Thing" put on the Basements? How have you guys even heard the Band's "Beautiful Thing" -- on a bootleg?

I'll admit I never thought the Basement-album Band songs sounded out-of-place, & I was surprised the 1st time I learned they weren't contemporary with the real Basement tunes.

The fact of the Capitol obligation hanging over the boys' heads should've been a factor tilting toward NOT wasting the songs on the Basement l.p. -- remember, there are plenty of REAL Basement tunes which could've taken their place & even filled another couple of discs.

Interesting, isn't it, that in his book Levon doesn't call Robbie on the carpet for this fraud (injecting after-the-fact Band tunes onto the Basement l.p.). Could Levon's reticence be linked to the fact that had these songs not been stuck on the album, he wouldn't've appeared on the record at all?

Yet another enigma: Robbie & Levon both sing on "Ain't No More Cane." I'd always assumed that song was recorded very early: Remember, Robbie only sang on the Band's 1st l.p. ("To Kingdom Come") & on their last (Islands & TLW) -- NEVER in the middle period. Yet Levon's presence shows "No Cane" was recorded at least after the bulk of the Basement work was in the can. Could it have been recorded in the '70's? If so, the fraud runs deep; Robbie sang to make the song appear all the earlier! (BTW, "No Cane" is one of the greatest tunes the Boys ever did.) Comments, please!

Sorry about the long post. Now I'll turn it back to you granola-eaters for more Robert Frost parodies.

Thu Jan 14 07:37:54 MET 1999

Danny Lopez

Hi Folks! Been too busy to contribute lately. "They been driving the women just like they drive the men" around here. p To Pat Brennan: on Monday you listed the Band put their contributions to BT together at different times and places. But you didn't list the tracks. So what goes with what?

Thu Jan 14 07:35:23 MET 1999

John

Would just like to say that I think The Band's web site is the best that I've seen yet. Keep up the great work!!!!

Thu Jan 14 05:30:07 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Ragtime, another thing: both Get Up Jake and Endless Highway were released, Jake three years before the BT and Highway just a year before. Live Jake is far superior to the studio version and B4 The Flood Highway--despite the overdubs--is quite nice. Still, the release of the BT with the questionable Band material continued the streak starting with Cahoots of no new Band material, broken only by NLSC a year later.

Thu Jan 14 04:35:04 MET 1999

Chesty LeFevre

http://www.hollywoodandvine.com

Thu Jan 14 04:32:31 MET 1999

Charlie Young

Don Pugatch: John Hiatt with The Band would be a show. I've often wanted to see Bruce Hornsby tour with Leon Russell (sort of a mentor/ student thing). Hiatt tends to do shortish shows these days, but he's one of the best around. His few upcoming gigs are listed here: http://hollywoodandvine.com/johnhiatt

Thu Jan 14 03:44:14 MET 1999

Al Vacado

At the urging of JW fisherman extraordinaire from Southern NY I gave Big Pink a. Kitty Litter shared her company. The lyrics to Chest Fever in particular have confused me some. After a semi careful listen I think it goes as follows: First line is "I like cheese n crackers". Second full line is "Think she took my juicer". Better send out a tracker. I might be wrong, if I is then please- no Tears of Rage, We Can Talk, if not In a Station, then perhaps To Kingdom Come, u best wear a Long Black Veil, so as not to be a Lonesome Suzie. I can take The Weight. :-)

Thu Jan 14 02:50:55 MET 1999

catbalu

just got my very own pink house and this internet. of course i found this place. glad you're here and very nice, too. read the guest book. hope mr. helm is ok. always imagined him drinking iced tea in the kitchen, playing checkers, chasing kids out of the garden... 2 hawks live next door, close enough to touch through the window. counted 3 bluebirds so far. they're making a comeback down here. to all my old friends i may encounter on the web... think of you often and love you best, like my old housecoat (it's going on 24 now) – we full of holes now but it sure does fit right. everybody have a good day

Thu Jan 14 02:38:05 MET 1999

Don Pugatch

Starting to enjoy Eric Anderson, any comments about his most recent CD? Also, where on the web can the CD be purchased?. CDNOW does not have his latest. Another question for the brethren, John Hiatt, anyone know if he is touring shortly? Can you imagine, Rick and Hiatt on the same tour, and ending with Bound by Love, dreams sometimes come true. John Donabie, must have missed you response, guess the snow must be keeping you at home recently, but give me some idea, where on Yount Street where all the music clubs during the early 60's?

Thu Jan 14 01:23:07 MET 1999

Kevin

Just noticed "Since You Been Gone" listed on the King Biscuit bootleg CD. Got the NO Jazz Festival DVD recently and was wondering what "Sun Don't Shine Anymore" was until I played it. Expect to see "Stampeding Cattle" on the next release. Anyway, the NO Jazz Festival DVD sounds great in 5.1 DD.

Thu Jan 14 00:36:55 MET 1999

Bones

Mr. Katz's post puzzles me. On one hand, I am glad that Levon's health is not the reason for the cancelled shows, but I am curious as to why the shows were cancelled? I know we don't want to start "The Rumor", but what is going on? Is Bill Paige still out there?

Wed Jan 13 21:58:29 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

Took me a few days to get my grip back on this thing they call life,but I'm back and have a few comments to make.

TWIGHLIGHT: Thanks for the wishes. Memories are, and always will be very precious things. We should all be grateful we have them.

RAGTIME: When I left for work this morning, you were frightened, and I was very relieved to come home to find you reassured. I do wonder though...little voices and now this? :-)

UNCLE HANGOVER: Things can only get better. Keep singing those old songs. Sometimes they do help.

And on that note, I think I'll turn on Northern Lights here and watch the snow come down.

Wed Jan 13 19:00:42 MET 1999

Twighlight

Ah, another day of cold rain & snow. The nice thing about it is that it gives you time to think, to let the wind blow back your hair. To DIAMOND LIL - I adored the tribute to your husband - had warm thoughts for the both of you. I too spend lots of time thinking back on relationships that never end - whether or not someone is a part of your hear and now. Hang in there - all of you people out there. Since I have the day off from work - I'm going to head down to the studio, put on my favorite Band cuts - and get dreamy with the boys. My best to all of you out there - especially Sundog, Lil, and Ragtime.

Wed Jan 13 18:00:02 MET 1999

Nick Spenceley

Band Fanzine Does anyone subscribe to Jawbone, the UK-based fanzine? I paid my cash, got one copy dated 1997, and have heard nothing since. Is it defunct?

Wed Jan 13 17:10:44 MET 1999

richard murray

Every day withot fail i check the concert listings here for The Band and their members but there only seems to gigs in the USA. will they ever play britain or ireland?

Wed Jan 13 16:25:55 MET 1999

David Powell

I think there were several commercial & contractual factors that affected the official release of the Basement Tapes by Columbia in 1975. Dylan had briefly jumped ship & left Columbia to record two albums in 1974 with participation with the Band, _Planet Waves_ and _Before The Flood_, which were released on the Asylum label.

The Basement Tapes material was published by Dwarf and therefore under the control of Dylan & Albert Grossman. At the time the material was recorded, the Band had moved to Woodstock to work with Dylan and were apparently under his employ. Further complicating the arrangement was the fact that Dylan had later split from Grossman's management. The Band, as I understand it, was still affiliated with Grossman. So perhaps the manner in which the Basement Tapes were released was designed to fufill various contractual or business obligations between Dylan, Grossman, the Band and Columbia. Artistic concerns, as well as Capitol, came out on the short end of the deal.

Wed Jan 13 13:27:31 MET 1999

Ragtime reassured

Thanks Jan. No witchcraft involved. I seem to have used a Word Perfect device accidentally - it's difficult to get rid of old habits, you know. But this still doesn't explain the presence of this complete unknown line somewhere down in my computer

...like a rolling stone...

Wed Jan 13 13:11:03 MET 1999

Jan H.

Ragtime,
I have no idea what happened, except I know it's got nothing to do with the web site. It's probably some local bug or a non-damaging computer virus or something at your end.

Wed Jan 13 12:26:10 MET 1999

Ragtime frightened

Jan Hoiberg: what's happening? WEBSITE WHITCHCRAFT? I was typing a short reply to Jens Magnus, but look what suddenly appeared:

The following text:

The Quickest Way To A Man's Heart Is To Saw His Breast Plate Open

What is this? I didn't type this nor did anyone in my house! It just appeared on my screen!

Now I forgot what I wanted to say about aprThe Quickest Way To A Man's Heart Is To Saw His Breast Plate Opensaid

Wed Jan 13 10:16:35 MET 1999

Jens Magnus

Ragtime! Sorry, I missed Ilkka's dog by half a log. You see I was humming Hobo Jungle, while the dog was barking up another tree in another key. (and besides he was in Finland.) I really wish you could see our woods now, all white with snow, furnished with miles of skiing tracks. Perfect soul therapy, combined with good listening after ski.

Wed Jan 13 01:59:44 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Ragtime, I leave the financial questions facing the Band in 1975 to those writers who have researched it (to varying degrees). Heylin in "Behind The Shades" p. 248 says that RR pushed the official BT release "to shore up the Band's depleted funds." He also mentions contemporary press acounts that say the same thing but doesn't reference them. Hoskyns presents the same thought in a more generous light, but still states that the Band had "frittered away" much of their money and needed something like this to pay for Shangri-La. Given the rather dire commercial straits the Band had slipped to, combining with Dylan on as historical a release at The BT seems like a pretty good move. Did they need Bob just then? You could easily argue that they did.

Wed Jan 13 01:03:17 MET 1999

Ragtime

Pat Brennan:

I read your entry only after I submitted both my previous remarks. Involvement with Dylan or not: hadn't it been wiser if The Band had reworked & rerecorded these existing tunes up to their 1975 standards, instead of adding them as "early drafts" to a Dylan album where they were obviously out of place? This could have become the good (not great) Band album that Rod had in mind, to fill in the gap between MM & NLSC. Besides: it could have been a home for orphaned tunes "Get Up Jake" & "Endless Highway" (great title song for this virtual-reality album!). What do you think? Did they really need Bobby so bad at that time?

Wed Jan 13 00:36:26 MET 1999

Ragtime

Oh sorry (TBYP Ragtime!) I meant Rod Prowse, not Jens Magnus, the man who goes skiing through the Northern European forests while humming Hobo Jungle. Did you hunt Ilkka's dog out there?

Wed Jan 13 00:33:02 MET 1999

Ragtime

Jens Magnus

Like you I don't like Yazoo Street Scandal very much musically, but its absurdity is a part of The Band's artistry.

Wed Jan 13 00:14:33 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Rod and all, concerning Levon being disturbed over Dylan involvement in 75, isn't what the Band did was, in fact, release 8 tunes of theirs that they masqueraded as being part of the Basement Tapes? He was probably upset because of the five albums they released at that time with Dylan (Planet Waves, B4 The Flood, Basement Tapes) none were on Capitol. Given the relative commercial failure of Moondog, their alignment with Zimmy at that time was probably propitious. The third Richard tune from the BT period is called "You Say You Love Me." DJ, Heylin deals with the Band only in their relationship with Dylan. His work is still worth the look.

Wed Jan 13 00:12:57 MET 1999

John Donabie

More on "ALL AMERICAN BOY" from the Bobby Bare Bio. In the late '50s, he moved out to Los Angeles. Bare's first appearance on record was in 1958, as he recorded his own talking blues "The All American Boy" which was credited to Bill Parsons. A number of labels refused the record before the Ohio-based Fraternity Records bought it for $50; the fee also included the publishing rights. "The All American Boy" was released in 1959 and it surprisingly became the second-biggest single in the U.S. that December, crossing over to the pop charts and peaking at number three. The single was also a big hit in the U.K., reaching number 22.

Before Bobby Bare could capitalize on his success, he was drafted into the armed forces. While he was on duty, Fraternity hired another singer to become Bill Parsons and sent him out on tour.

Wed Jan 13 00:01:17 MET 1999

Donabie

Ronnie Hawkins now books himself and has done so for quite awhile.

Tue Jan 12 23:51:31 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

At the risk of sounding too cryptic, I will say that the cancellation of Band dates is apparently not due to Levon's throat. [We don't want to start a rumor mill going again.]

Tue Jan 12 23:42:01 MET 1999

Bones

Sad news about the Band not playing in January at the cafe. Thanks for telling us though, for I was just about to make some reservations. Another added bonus from reading the guestbook. I only assume it is due to Levon's throat. Levon needs to take it easy.

Tue Jan 12 22:47:26 MET 1999

Ellarbee

To Fran: At least as late as 1995, Ronnie Hawkins' personal management was handled by Steve Thomson, Backstage Production International, 1-3015 Kennedy Road, Scarborough, Ontario, M1V 1E7, (416) 291-4913. This information comes from Ronnie's 1995 birthday (I believe his 60th) celebration CD, "Let It Rock", on the Quality/Warlock label. Our boys do some nice work on this live CD and on an added studio track at the end, which, with the possible exception of Ronnie's lyrics, is superb. Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, Lawrence Gowan, and Jeff Healey also makes guest appearances for Ronnie's birthday bash, which was also modestly billed (perhaps by Ronnie himself) as "the rock 'n roll album of the decade." Well, it's certainly not that, but it's a fun effort by all involved.

Tue Jan 12 21:57:05 MET 1999

Bob

You probably already know this, but since you don't mention it explicitly I thought I'd comment. ALL AMERICAN BOY was a #2 hit for Bill Parsons in 1958. The vocal was by (not yet famous) country singer Bobby Bare.It was a song about Elvis' sudden rise to fame & draft into the army. Dylan doesn't say any of the same words yet it seems obvious (to me at least) that this is the song he's monkeying with. Also "I Don't Hurt Anymore" was a hit for Hank Snow & is most often associated w/ him. (I don't know if he wrote it) Your site is great! I just bought all 5 CDs in the series yesterday.

Tue Jan 12 19:19:03 MET 1999

David Powell

Marijohn Wilkin, as Peter Viney and myself have noted here before, helped write many great songs in addition to "Long Black Veil." Another of her classics is "Cut Across Shorty," which she co-wrote with Wayne Walker. Legendary rockabilly Eddie Cochran recorded this song in January 1960, accompanied by Buddy Holly's former backup band, The Crickets. Tragically, Cochran's young life was cut short on April 17, 1960, while touring England, when he was killed in a car wreck near the resort town of Bath. Cochran's recorded legacy would influence generations of rockers on both sides of the Atlantic and around the world.

Last year the Razor & Tie label released the single CD compilation _Somethin' Else / The Fine Lookin' Hits of Eddie Cochran_, containing twenty of his great recordings. Included, in addition to "Cut Across Shorty," are "Twenty Flight Rock", "Jeanie, Jeanie, Jeanie", "Summertime Blues", "C'mon Everybody", and "Nervous Breakdown." FYI--Levon Helm's favorite drummer, Earl Palmer, plays on "Summertime Blues." Razor & Tie has done a fine job remastering this material to CD and I heartily recommend this disc to all those who love early rock & roll. Incidentally, Cochran's influence can be heard in Rod Stewart's cover of "Cut Across Shorty", in NRBQ's cover of "C'mon Everybody", and in The Who's version of "Summertime Blues." Don't be surprised if you hear a little bit of Cochran in Ronnie Hawkins' singing style.

Tue Jan 12 17:36:28 MET 1999

Freddy The Funk

Its been almost a year now since I dropped in on this site and i gotta tell ya that from my perspective its still full of "Peace/Love/& Much Apparent Happiness. I would like to express my annual gesture of well being ti the "BAND" and all their followers. Now that said; Lets Rock!!

Tue Jan 12 17:21:11 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

Message from Levon's Cafe this morning: Band dates in January cancelled. No other information but a friend from the area says that he was told that they may re-schedule in February. Keep your fingers crossed.

Tue Jan 12 09:25:24 MET 1999

Rod

Ragtime W: I left out Don't You Tell Henry accidentally. I think it's one of the best things The Band ever recorded and has one of Robbie's better solos to boot. I left out Yazoo deliberately as I've never really liked it - the same applies to Ferdinand. Maybe they could have done a remake of The Stones I Throw.

Pat Brennan: the quote I was refering to was the one on page 246 mentioned earlier. Even though this is from '75 I believe it applies to the BTs as some of these songs were partially redone in '75.

Tue Jan 12 05:56:50 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

Molly Zaloudek: Lotsa luck.

Pat B.: Thanks. What other Heylin works feature significant treatments of the Band?

Wolfgang S. (with apologies to everyone else): You ask me to catch "an obvious error" (singular) in your 4 line entry of 11 Jan. 19:08. I find 6: "name" twice; "1st." doesn't need period; final sentence is a grammatical fragment; final fragment has no end punctuation; there is no end parenthesis; there is no opening bracket.

Wolfie, you slyly say my extra "s" was "not necessary" -- but even you don't say it was "wrong." It wasn't. Style writers (I cite the U of C's own Jos. Williams) prefer a final "s" after a sigular plural ending in "s"; they withhold the second "s" only when it's a possessive PLURAL (e.g., "the buses' tires"). (Right on, A.K. Frye!)

And Wolfie, your criticism of my homeboy Frye is also wrong: MLA, as a collective noun (think "jury," "team," etc.) can (but need not) take a plural pronoun and/or verb.

Now leave us alone, Wolfie. This page is for the Band, not your uninformed notions of grammar and punctuation.

This is the real world, Wolfie, not Hahvahd. Out here, we don't make up our own rules.

Tue Jan 12 05:35:44 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

If that's the quote, and since it concerns 1975 and not 1967, please ignore my last post. Unless, of course, some other quote that deals with the BT era comes to light.

Tue Jan 12 05:22:34 MET 1999

Molly Zaloudek

Hi. I just want to say i love the second album of the Band a lot, it really brings back good memories when i was a baby in 1984. my favorite track on that album is King Harvest. My question for the members is do you have an email address? if so, please let me know as soon as possible. thanks.
Molly Zaloudek

Tue Jan 12 05:17:54 MET 1999

John Donabie

I already wished my old friend Happy Birthday yesterday on his 64th; but failed to do so on this site. Happy Birthday Ronnie Hawkins; who took us from the hills to the stills and on to the pills. Keep a rockin' Ronnie!

Tue Jan 12 05:10:14 MET 1999

fran

I am trying to find the booking agent for Ronnie Hawkins, address, name.

Tue Jan 12 04:45:16 MET 1999

Kevin Gilbertson

Pat Brennan

See page 246. It has some info on complaining about side projects not counting toward their Capital deal.

Hope this helps.

Tue Jan 12 04:27:07 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Donald Joseph, yeah, get all of Heylin's work. It's first class. Re: Band involvement, his "Recordings" book is very helpful in dating the Basement Tapes material. It also deals extensively with Planet Waves. Which brings me to another point. According to an earlier post, Levon "claims" that the group should have been working more on their Capitol contract and less with Dylan? I paged through Levon's book but couldn't find the quote. I'm not saying it's not there, just tell me the page, please. I find that quote perplexing. The boys had been taping with Dylan since June of 1967; according to Heylin there were only 8 songs recorded with Dylan and the boys plus Levon in late Oct/Nov 67--the last 8 songs of the Basement Tapes. That's not exactly a lot of time recording with Zimmy. Also, although contacts with Capitol began before Levon hit Woodstock, they didn't sign to the label until Feb 1968. The timing seems a little weird fro Levon to be overly concerned with Capitol.

Tue Jan 12 03:04:44 MET 1999

AHROOO!!

Hey, Bones! Why not ask me? I've got the Dutch single "Deneta!" Best wishes to Jan and this web site for 1999!!!! AHROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Tue Jan 12 02:35:36 MET 1999

Slinky

I pick up on anything fromm e's to y's to the type of ginseng someone buys at the local. Watch out for that blindside, buddy...you have tunnel vision!

Tue Jan 12 00:13:56 MET 1999

Bones

Has anybody even heard what Robertson's "Deneta" sounds like? I would love to know. I thought his bonus track "Holy Hell" from the last album was better than half the songs that made it.

Mon Jan 11 23:06:20 MET 1999

Ragtime

Well, well, I just discovered "Tailgate" and yet another unknown Robertson song pops up: "Denata".

Lee Gabites: thanks for picking up my idea.

Mon Jan 11 22:32:53 MET 1999

A.K. Frye

Sorry, but someone who has never heard of the Modern Language Association cannot be taken seriously as an English scholar!

Mon Jan 11 22:11:10 MET 1999

Wolf

Herr Frye, what in Himmel is the MLA ??? You say:"they recommend..."!? You people from Tennessee have been butchering the English language long enough. You are full of horse's patootie.

Mon Jan 11 21:39:02 MET 1999

A.K. Frye

Actually, the MLA recommends the use of an additional "s" after an apostrophe that indicates a possessive--therefore, "Greil Marcus's" is correct.

Mon Jan 11 20:40:06 MET 1999

Lyn

where has everyone gone? I love getting home from work and catching up with the entries in this book. I know there have been problems with racist entries but I hope you will all return soon.

Mon Jan 11 19:44:36 MET 1999

Bill Munson

I share Donald Joseph's annoyance at Greil Marcus' failure to discuss the Band's basement-tapes contributions (even recognising that Marcus' book is about Dylan). It seemed wilful on Marcus' part, as he quoted but then totally ignored rather obvious clues left by both Robertson and Hudson (at least I believe it was Hudson).

All in all, this lack reflects what seems to me to be Marcus' unwillingness to the Band (and possibly all of rock and roll) as anything other than Americana brought to life. Mystery Train has a troop of blank-slate foreigners (pilgrims) coming to the US for a cultural fill-up, as if their own country didn't have farmers and harvests and unions and rocking chairs and old people and whores and trains. To suggest that these same guys could have contributed something from their own backgrounds to something as close to Marcus' heart as American music (hand on heart here), would be - well - unamerican.

Mon Jan 11 19:13:42 MET 1999

L.G.

Re: Ragtime W's post about Mixed Up Confusion from Jawbone 4. Jan, if you want to include the article your welcome. I'm sure Harm would be happy for others to read it and give their opinion.

Mon Jan 11 19:12:46 MET 1999

Wolf

Left an obvious error for you to spot in the last entry. See if you can find it.

Mon Jan 11 19:08:31 MET 1999

W. Shickelgruber Phd

Ach du lieber Herr Joseph Donald, graduate of the University of Chicago no less, you ought to learn that an extra S is NOT necessary following an apostrophy denoting the possessive form when applied to a name name that ends with an S. As in Greil Marcus' 1st.name... (see 3 dots]

Mon Jan 11 18:54:41 MET 1999

Natalie Hyatt

Hi from Tucson! We enjoyed the show at the Rialto so much a couple of years ago-hope you all are back soon. Michael Hyatt says hi. Sorry we barged in on Levon so rudely! Natalie

Mon Jan 11 18:01:55 MET 1999

Ilkka's dog

COMMENT TO 'MY FAVOURITE BASEMENT TAPES'

Remix it all so I can hear Dylan's dog barking. And I mean clearly.

Mon Jan 11 16:35:32 MET 1999

Mike

When I listen to the Basement Tapes I hear an album that is united in the quality of interaction among the musicians.In every tune, regardless of when or where it was recorded, you can clearly hear people who love to play together.In the simple beautiful tunes as well as the goofy tongue-in-cheek numbers the friendship and sharing are what tie the music together.IMHO it all fits into a great record that would be lessened by leaving any tunes out for historical purity.

Mon Jan 11 14:59:20 MET 1999

Jens Magnus

Ragtime! Thank you. I was right when I guessed that naming someone lead singer in a Band-tune, would surely make one of you wake up.

Mon Jan 11 14:11:12 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

But Donald; when your name is Wolfbang S. you *ARE* an intellectualler-than thou... No offence Wolffang. Peace,Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Mon Jan 11 09:06:52 MET 1999

Ragtime W

Postscript:

ROD:

Sorry again. You DID include "Beautiful Thing". But why not "Yazoo Street Scandal" & "Don't Ya Tell Henry"?

Even if these are from other sessions, we wouldn't miss Mark Lavon Helm for the world...

Mon Jan 11 08:56:36 MET 1999

Ragtime W

BAND BASEMENT CONTRIBUTIONS

Since we all seem to be in the apologizing mood these days, I'd like to say sorry to RED for my simplifications concerning Marcus & basement recordings.

And this is to you, ROD: at least we should include the Danko/Manuel song "Beautiful Thing" to our album. Another 'must' should be a complete version of "Ferdinand The Imposter" (Danko vocal). A couple of days ago someone mentioned three more Manuel songs that were omitted from the 1975 compilation. A more elaborated version of "Ruben Remus" seems to exist as well. BTW I disagree with your remark that basement songs would have been out of place with their other output. Most of this material is genuine Band stuff albeit not as subtle as the later albums.

And this is to our webmaster JAN:

The "Band Fanzine" JAWBONE published an article by Harm van Sleen: "THE BASEMENT TAPE: MIXED UP CONFUSION? An attempt to categorize what BT songs are currently in circulation, and to determine if some of the tracks that are generally credited to the BT actually were recorded in Big Pink" (Jawbone #4, spring/summer 1997). Could it be possible asking permission from Lee Gabites & Harm van Sleen to transfer it to this website to make it accessible to everyone?

Mon Jan 11 08:30:59 MET 1999

Paul

Thanks, to those of you who have posted info on performances at Levon's club. There aren't many such posts though. Would love to see more people who were there, post. Yes, there's always room for "history" and talking about the many subjects that come up in this guestbook, but I for one would like to hear about the present, about The Band's current performances, at least for now. All kinds of topics have, and will continue to come up here, and that's fine, but for now, I'd encourage anyone who was in New Orleans, to tell us more about it. Thanks.

Mon Jan 11 07:47:31 MET 1999

Rod

Levon makes a point in his book that he thought The Band were wasting too much effort on the collaberations with Dylan when they should have been working out their Capitol contract. Maybe he thought they should have released their Basement Tapes songs as an album of their own. It would have been a good album:

Katies Been Gone
Bessie Smith
Ruben Remus
Ain't No More Cain
Long Distance Operator
Beautiful Thing
Orange Juice

They may have had to re-record a couple.

The only reason I an think that they didn't do it is that the songs may have seemed out of place with their other output at the time.

As an aside, the version of Orange Juice on the box set has much more of sa Basement Tapes sound than the BT version.

Mon Jan 11 06:27:34 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

Apologies to all Memphisites whom I offended by mistakenly crediting Vegas as the site of the King's death on his throne. (Or should I be apologizing to Vegasites?)

Pat B., thanks for your excellent help. I need to read that Dylan sessions book -- is it otherwise worthwhile from a Band perspective? And WHICH 2 tunes were wholly recorded in '75?

Wolfgang S.: If you're going to act "intellectualler-than-thou," you ought to learn an ellipsis has 3 dots, and "all knowing" used as an adjective requires the hyphen. I'm sure I got closer to Mr. Marcus's 1st name than he could get to mine. Any affectation in my tone of late is attributable to my emulating your Harvard compadre Tribble -- no way I'm as bad as he! Also, while I may have let my U of C background slip in a post or 2, at least I don't inject my educational pedigree into my (fake?) e-mail address, a la you and Tribble. Cheeses!

Mon Jan 11 05:57:35 MET 1999

Slinky

Number 9

Mon Jan 11 05:56:04 MET 1999

Slinky

What I said about wouldnt doesnt really say what I meant to have said about would! Would... I stand corrected (or Woody Allen in "Sleeper" where I think I heard it quoted for the first time)! patient randy

Mon Jan 11 05:54:19 MET 1999

Kathy

I feel that Steve from LA is entitled to offer his opinion without being ridiculed by everyone.How do we know that his concern is not genuine?Furthermore,how he was treated by everyone was disgraceful.It seems more likley to me that his remarks were that of care.

Mon Jan 11 05:47:43 MET 1999

gus

I just want to say in followup to my question regarding Richard Manuel's ethnic background, that I hope no one thinks that there's anything underhanded going on on my part. I am of Hispanic background and out of simple, untainted curiosity, I'd like to know more about Richard's background. Maybe it's a bad time now to post such a question because as soon as a lot of people in this GB see the word "ethnicity" they tend to get kind of jumpy. There's no need to fear that word or my question. I am a great admirer of the Band and all their work. My intention is not to cause unrest or discomfort as I just want to learn and appreciate more about these guys like everybody else.

Mon Jan 11 05:12:40 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

One more time: two of the Band tunes on the Columbia BT release were Richard piano demos from the summer of 67 with guitar and drums added in 1975; two are recordings made at Shangri-La in 1975. Two are demos recorded in NY in September of 67, and the two with Levon were made in Woodstock in 67, possibly Big Pink. Of course, the Band was heavily influenced by Dylan's universal tastes in the folk and country traditions. No one argues that. But including the Band material in the official Basement Tapes release was dishonest at best. BTW, I believe Greil Marcus wrote the liner notes for the Colmbia release and hadn't a clue as to the ruse. That might be another reason the Band receives a low profile in his book, although the title alone says it all: Invisible Republic/Bob Dylan's Basement Tapes. All this comes from Clinton Heylin's book on the Dylan recording sessions, and if there's anyone in the world who's done more work in this field, please clue me in.

Mon Jan 11 04:55:22 MET 1999

Little John Tyler

TO JOHN DONABIE and DENNIS COOPER: The basement of Big Pink was still stocked from floor to ceiling with racks and racks of CDs, and the premises were being operated as a classical music mail order house as recently as October 1998, when I last visited. No sign of Mike Tyson.

Mon Jan 11 04:36:56 MET 1999

Charlie Young

I'm amazed at the seemingly endless flow of both official Capitol releases and countess high-quality bootleg CDs of Beach Boys and Beatles session outtakes. The fact that virtually nothing similar by their label mates, The Band, has survived constantly confounds and frustrates me. The only thing I've heard is an approximately 25 minute tape of session outtakes of "We Can Talk." Has anyone else tracked down any others?

Mon Jan 11 04:35:35 MET 1999

Red

mr. ragtime i think you are a tad mistaken. according to marcus, as well as Heylin's book, Helm's and maybe even Hoskyn's, some of the Basment tracks of the Band's were recorded in the Basement, some in studios as demoes and some in the house that Rick Danko owned I believe where the Band rehearsed after leaving Big Pink. Songs like Ferdinand the Imposter, Beautiful THing, Yazoo Street Scandal from the Crossing the Great Divide set bear the sounds of the basement. But as to "my tradition" theory: its not mine nor marcus' but rather a common assumption. Dylan's works came fast and furious in 1967 and the Band couldn't help but be influenced. And many of DYlan's songs (or covers) were well routed in folk/country tradtion. look before you leap.

Mon Jan 11 02:51:35 MET 1999

Scott Stephens

As I have said before, Rick's solo shows the past two years are treasures that I wish all fans could see at least once. If anything, he's more in command than ever and at the peak of his powers. Make a New Year's resolution and go see one of his shows. In some ways, his shows with Aaron are tighter and more focussed than the group as a whole. The amazing thing is that after years of the so-called "rock-n-roll lifestyle," he's better than ever. Best to all from the frigid North Coast.

Mon Jan 11 02:22:59 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

Pat/Peter/Donald

Is there any truth to the old Hollywood tale that Groucho's line about shooting an elephant in his pajamas somewhere in the South was Chuck Berry's inspiration for Back to Memphis?

Sun Jan 10 23:59:01 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Groucho, yes it does, especially if you decide to become a regular.

Sun Jan 10 23:01:38 MET 1999

GROUCHO

I think what I said was that I wouldn't want to belong to any club that WOULD have me as a member. Gives you guestbook regulars something to think about, eh?

Sun Jan 10 21:19:19 MET 1999

Everybody needs a slinky!

Groucho also said that he wouldnt want to be part of a club that wouldnt have him as a member. When you deal with groups of people...there are always some (but only a few) sour, controlling ones who have misguided, misdirected missions! I guess it it always best to sit back and see what rung on their short ladders they fall! All the best! Sonny Bono (I am still with you all)

Sun Jan 10 20:14:12 MET 1999

Joe

The Band got a name drop in the (British) Observer today: the guy in charge of the Millennium Dome now, following Peter Mandelson's resignation is Charles Falconer and top choice in his record collection is you've guessed it...

But have you folks out there even heard of the Dome, cos it's a regarded as a multi-million white elephant in the UK, still if they booked the Band then , maybe, no....

All this talk about ethnic origin affecting eligibility: it brings back Groucho Marx's actual response to anti-semitism when he was refused entry to a swimming club: will you let me son in to bathe up to his waist cos he's only half jewish? Joking apart , we don't need it here please

Sun Jan 10 19:23:02 MET 1999

John Donabie

TO DENNIS COOPER

Dennis, I'm a little confused. The first time I went to Big Pink in the late 80's there was a fellow who worked part time at WDST living there; but he was in the classical music import, export business. Is this the same guy? The basement was filled with classical music. Thanks You.

Sun Jan 10 16:19:27 MET 1999

Steve B

Here's a few comments on the past 2 weeks of guestbook entries. 1)Let's dump the ethno/religious talk-it's ridiculous. 2)Aaron Hurwitz should be commended for his work with the Band. He produces, He plays on the albums, He plays at the shows, He's partners with Rick and Levon in Woodstock Records & He's a team player and should be given a lot of credit for motivating the Band (I'm sure he's a big help & influence- anybody doubt this) AND he should be given his own entry under "members of the Band" on this site. Hey, if John Simon is there Aaron should be too, he does a lot. There are people in organizations that wear many hats and make them run smoothly- Aaron is one of them. THANK YOU! 3)BAND BASEMENT MUSIC-I'm sure most of the Band's contribution to the BASEMENT TAPES ALBUM was recorded in that '67 studio session in NYC and in 1975. If you have heard the 5 CD BOOTLEG BASEMENT TAPES that Greil Marcus talks about-I've heard it too- There's tunes on there like "Ferdinand the Imposter", "You Say That You Love Me" and "If I Lose" (These last two not even listed as tracks) Anyone ever heard "If I Lose"? The Band's really feeling out bits and pieces, as well as soaking up Dylan's Muse. 4)The Band's Health. Fact-If you live the "rock & roll lifestyle" for thirty years it'll catch up to you-in your body, your voice & your motivation. Robbie (though I'm not keen on where he took his music) opted out of that lifestyle in the late '70's. He, in some ways, took care of things. Like Rick said himself, "Ever made a million dollars overnight? I have and it's a crying shame."

Sun Jan 10 15:57:38 MET 1999

John

A big,big,big time happy birthday to Ronnie Hawkins who is 64 today. Thank you Ronnie, for a life well-lived, for the music, but most of all for THE BAND. The Hawk truly is "The Man". Keep pushin' straight ahead brother!

Frank Sinatra Jr turns 55 today. Jr can't sing like ole blue eyes but he ain't to shabby.

Previous attempts to slander me as an anti-semite through a direct allegation and use of my name are untrue,erroneous and not the least bit amusing to me. As much as it disturbs me,I thought it was best to ignore it. The display of small-mindedness has quelled any enthusiasm I may have once had for this guestbook. So be it. Carry on,my wayward sons and daughters!

Sun Jan 10 11:43:26 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

SUNDOG:I, for one appreciate your last post very much. It's my opinion that although anything made public is usually fair game for discussion, there still has to be a certain level of respect and consideration for some of the more private issues. I commend those who e-mailed you privately (I admit that I didn't think of doing that myself) and hope that whatever you needed to know is now cleared up.

RAGTIME WILLIE: Thanks :-)

Sun Jan 10 08:40:32 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

To: Donald Joesph, IIKKA, Freddy FISHSTICK, Dennis and Wannda, and to the 9 people who E-mailed me, I thank you personally! The 9 people that E-Mailed me, didn't want their names mention because of "critics" and "mooncats" such as Chris Russo and Wolfgang. Me and my friend both thank you, and I'm personally very, very, sorry to ANYONE that I may have hurt, its wasn't my intention. I learned more than I really needed to, but ain't that why we are here? Peace, Love and Light Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Sun Jan 10 03:33:42 MET 1999

Dennis Cooper

Gosh, it's chilly here tonight...there was 2" of ice on Stoll Road the other day, now there's a couple more.... According to the Kingston Freeman, Big Pink apparently has a new owner and the old tennant, Les Gerber, had to move out. Les was a, uh, personality on WDST in Woodstock during the '80's and, according to the article, rented in Big Pink for a number of years as his "boxing" pals hangout. Catskill, N.Y., for those of you not aware, is about 15 miles up the Hudson River and was Mike Tyson's growin' up place and training center during his rise during the '80's. Apparently Mr. Gerber (who's interview show everyone loved to hate) had held on to Big Pink so his boxing pals could have a clubhouse. I'll send Jan the article so he can post it. Ref: Mr. Sundog. Chris Neal's a cool person on the Woodstock scene. He helped organize a recent fund raiser that Rick sang at for some gal that had lost his home. Mr. Neal also is a volunteer paramedic and instructor for the Woodstock Rescue Squad..an all-volunteer outfit in Woodstock. Think about it...hundreds of hours of learnin' to help your neighbors...and then helpin' them...all as a volunteer. Chris's first rule for EMT's: uh, "poopers" happen. Rule number two: people sometimes can't do much about rule #1. Things happen...but they're real. Your questions were real. JR called earlier...we both wished we were in the Big Easy...it's chilly up here tonight.... Woodstock '99 seems to be on...you're all welcome! Wanda 'n Dennis

Sun Jan 10 03:29:37 MET 1999

Daniel R Dauth

I have been a huge Band fan for about 15 years,(half of my life), and have seen many shows in the 80's and 90's ... loved every one of them! Any chance of a Vt. show in 1999? I would kill to be in a band with so much of... mmmm.. mmm.....THAT! anyone want to start one?

Sun Jan 10 01:04:21 MET 1999

Lem Brooks

Gus Rodrigues

Regarding your query as to the ethinic origin of one Richard Manuel. I will treat your inquiry as serious and tendered in an honest vein. Richard was a Mexican Jew. His nickname of The Beak was a playful sobriquet owing to his Hebraic origins. The surname is consistent with his Mexican side. Sources: 1. The Invisible Umpire. 2. A Cross on the Great Front Lawn. 3. The World According to Garth. 4. Heartburn in Chinatown or with Six you Get Eggroll-.

Sun Jan 10 00:49:33 MET 1999

Ragtime W

Don't press submit button to early Ragtime! (I always have to reproach myself)

RED: Is this "tradition" theory an idea of yours? Or are you quoting Greil Marcus? Anyway it doesn't fit with the fact that The Band's contributions were not recorded during the basement sessions at all. So Marcus had no reason to include them in his book.

Sat Jan 9 23:41:30 MET 1999

Red

Ya'll talkin' about greil marcus. here's an article appeared in the paper awhile back. the address is :http://www.daily.umn.edu/ae/Print/1997/16/books.html I think the Band's songs were eliminated because of the fact Marcus wanted to focs on the Dylan songs in that they were the ones deeply steeped in tradition. The Band's songs came for the msot part after the Basement period while Dylan was doing John Wesley Harding. I am not insinuatating that the Band's music doesn't have tradition in it, but the Basement period truly transformed them from the Hawks to the Band. Dylan pulled the influences inside the group out in the open.

Sat Jan 9 23:29:05 MET 1999

The Ragman

Katie's Been Gone kills me. One of my very favorite Band tunes. The words sound a bit like Robbie (the innocence is very similar to Virgil Caine's). It's a great, great song. And I only wish that more was made of it.

Sat Jan 9 23:16:16 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Donald Joseph, btw all that info comes from Clinton Heylin's "Bob Dylan: The Recording Sessions (1960-1994)" St. Martin's Griffin, NY 1995.

Sat Jan 9 22:50:16 MET 1999

Mike Nomad

Southern Ontario boy would like to replicate Crazy Chester's experience. I expect to be in NYC and/or western Conn. during Feb. 15-20. Cud someone kindly apprise me of any interesting skedded dates in the vicinity. Thnx in advance.

Sat Jan 9 20:52:54 MET 1999

Crazy Chester

I saw Rick in Pawling New York and it was great to still see that rock and roll mainstays are still accessable and open to their fans. It was great to shake his hand and sit in the audience with him during one of his breaks.

Sat Jan 9 19:41:46 MET 1999

Joe

To Charlie Young: I don't want to knock Jubilation: I love all Band/ex and current member's music, but I think there's a tendency in this GB to hanker for the days of some of our youths and hence the Brown album and BP. The point about both these albums is that in addition their originality at the time, they had/have durability. I'm sure we all still play them both and still find new harmonies and they create new moods and thoughts. Songs like In a Station still sound fresh to me and Richard's voice still makes me cry. So I think taht subconsciously and consciously we still want to go back to that time and experience those feelings, so we judge any new band music by its similarity to these classics. They have quality. On the surface Jubilation is the closest of the This Band's 3 albums to these benchmarks. However maybe a straw poll for GB readers: how many still listen to Jubilation say every day. I don't play it as much I know.

I accept that robbie's new music may not have the old time country feel, but it still has quality. Unbound for example does cause a greater emotional reaction in me than probably anything on Jubilation. To quote His Bobness: "it's only my opinion, I may be right or wrong"....

Incidentally, re simliarities to the Weight, i read a poem the other day (robert browning?) with line length/verses similar to the Weight with the words "where a man might lay his head". Anybody else heard of it?

Sat Jan 9 19:39:00 MET 1999

TD Bear

CD Now is shipping Big Pink CD - not too shabby. I'm pleased to see they "Wood stock" it. I feel like a real jolly mon today.

Sat Jan 9 18:13:27 MET 1999

Ragtime W

Today I visited an Amsterdam second-hand record shop & bought two items still missing in my Band-related collection. One of these is the Levon Helm 1978 "crossed drumstick & cap" album. At first hearing it is not as good as American Son or even RCO ALL Stars, I think.

The other one is the 12" single version of Crazy River & Broken Arrow. I bought it because it includes a bonus that I'd never heard: "Tailgate". Strange thing. It sounds as if it could have benefitted (is this an English word?) from a real singer. We all know that Robbie's voice has a few ..er.. imperfections, to put it mildly. The lyrics seem to quote something familiar that I have to figure out yet. Has anybody more info about this song? More than the discography in this website provides?

Sat Jan 9 17:36:17 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Donald Joseph, first of all, Elvis died in his bathroom at Graceland not somewhere in Vegas. Second of all, most of us know how Richard died and we'd rather leave it at that. It certainly was a watershed moment in The Band's history, and anyone who is interested in the details can read Levon's or Hoskyns' books. Still, the gory details of peoples' deaths are hardly a subject for discussion in a public forum. I do agree that the road to that awful day is wide open for comment. Concerning, the Basement tapes, Clinton Heylin deals somewhat peripherally with the Band tunes. Most of what made it onto the 1975 album were Richard demos that RR added instrumentation onto for the later release. Heylin ravages him for it--deservedly--as a basicly dishonest attempt to equate the Band's developing voice with Dylan's experimentations. Compare the drum sounds on the legit BT tunes, then listen to the drums on Katie, Bessie Smith, etc. Night and day. Also, check out the close mic-ing on the organ in Bessie Smith. Rumors--and who knows--put RR overdubbing the Richard demos from the Pink House in NYC in Sept 75. Two were cut in NYC in 67. The two with Levon were made at BP after he arrived, and two were cut at Shangri-La in 75. Three Richard Basement Tapes tunes simply weren't released, possibly--according to Heylin--because they showed how Richard dominated early Band songwriting.

Sat Jan 9 16:07:35 MET 1999

Wolfgang Shickelgruber

Herr Joseph, Donald.. graduate from the U of C, if you're going to use "recherche"(that's mit an accent aigu on the last E) foreign words, look them up first! "OVEURE"?!??! Also, Mr.Marcus' first name is GREIL. You are almost as bad as STEV E und der Hund from Madison. Go back to school, don't be a dumkopf..to quote Herr Noah. Stop playing the all knowing snob already.

Sat Jan 9 14:43:59 MET 1999

Noah Webster

Stev e from LA. I was asleep, incommunicado. Then I read your post. Guy that cant spell his own name and is "barley" literate shouldnt be passin judgment on Rick Danko. Stay in school- dont be a fool!

Sat Jan 9 14:01:11 MET 1999

The Ragman

I love Jubilation, but it is definitely a lot more mellow tham Jericho or HOTH. HOTH takes a lot of chances with Free Your Mind and the Champion Jack Dupree blues. HOTH seems to be out of favor with a lot of people who post, but I think it's a great album, and the NY Posts' Dan Aquilante, thought it was superior to Jericho. I don't, but all three are strong in different ways.

Sat Jan 9 13:18:27 MET 1999

Patric Mulcahy

In all the discussions on the best Band album all talk seems to come back to Big Pink and The Band, I beg to differ, when Jericho was first released I recall reading an interview with Rick Danko in which he said that Jericho was every bit as good as their first two efforts.

I thought " yeah sure,he would say that wouldn't he" after careful listening I have to admit that yep' ,he's right !!. Just have a real close listen to Amazon, you can throw in Atlantic City, Blind Willie McTell and Stuff You Gotta' Watch. In every way a superior album than H.O.T.H. and Jubilation

Isn't it ironic that the Band are now struggling to top Jericho just the way they struggled to better their first two efforts?.

Whatever they try next I'll be listening.

Sat Jan 9 12:10:18 MET 1999

Ragtime W

Donald:

Last time I checked "1984" was about censorship out of political control and not about thinking before you post out of consideration.

Sat Jan 9 11:48:41 MET 1999

bob c.

hey don, elvis allegedly died in his bathroom at graceland.yesterday was his birthday and i think his pension from burgerking kicked in. who needs the king thank you thank you very much!also for anyone who cares both rick and richard sing on holy cow, comon,just listen close.

Sat Jan 9 07:24:08 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

SUNDOG: Your Richard query was not at all in bad taste (you, of all people, have a rep as being inoffensive to the point of advocating "peace & love; group sex"). You merely asked about a milestone event in Band history which at the time was widely reported in mainstream newspapers, People magazine, and Rolling Stone (I kept the clippings). Now Band-dandies on this site have elected to make this important, watershed matter of Band history a taboo -- sounds like the eradication of history practiced in Orwell's 1984. Richard's family surely has read these details enough in the mainstream press, including People, that seeing them here is not offensive: Does anyone worry about how Lisa Marie Presley -- the former Mrs. Michael Jackson -- feels when she reads her dad passed on sitting on a Vegas toilet trying to defecate? Does anyone worry about Hendrix's dad, his survivor, reading his son's cause of death: Drowning in his own vomit? These are well-known facts which are often reported because they are relevant history. Deal with it.

Re the "muzak" issue: In '77 Rolling Stone ran a detailed Levon interview, at the time of his RCO All*Stars release. They printed his quotes phonetically, so his drawl came across -- I thought it was disrespectful. One line in the article was: "'Ya know yer gettin' old,' observes Helm, 'when ya hear Up On Cripple Creek as elevator muzak." I always understood that to mean Levon saw humor and irony in muzak versions of Band tunes -- the muzak covers don't piss him off. If they don't bother Levon, they don't bother me. Remember the recent post about how Band albums are slipping on polls of all-time great albums? I think we as Band fans will have more to worry about when they STOP doing muzak covers of our beloved oveure. This having been said, I admit a muzak cover of "Chest Fever," of all tunes, would send me looking for a stiff drink.

Re Richard's songwriting: I always believed he really wrote "Katie's Been Gone." How could that have been a Robbie tune? It's virually a first draft of "Lonesome Suzie."

Here's a Burning Question that goes unanswered in Hoskyns, Helm AND Marcus (both Mystery Train AND Invisible Republic): What is the recording provenance of the Band's Basement Tapes tunes? It's well-known these songs weren't recorded in the basement along with the Dylan tunes. Were they part of the N.Y. demo sessions that pre-dated Big Pink? (What songs were done at those sessions, BTW, & does anything from them remain unreleased?) I think I heard that some or all of the Band Basement Tapes-album songs were actually recorded in '75, specifically for the album's release. The word is Robbie was recreating history by falsely telling the world the Band had a full-blown sound and independent voice at the time of the Basement recordings with Zimmie. But somehow "Ain't No More Cane," et al., don't sound like '75-era Band to me. So wassup? When were these songs recorded?

BTW, I was shocked that Griel Marcus -- who cares enough about the Band to devote much of Mystery Train to the group -- could write a whole book on the Basement Tapes (Invisible Republic) and not answer this question or even address the Band songs on the Basements album at all.

Sat Jan 9 05:47:27 MET 1999

Gus Rodriguez

I've been wondering what Richard Manuel's ethnic background was? I've wondered if he's of Hispanic or Italian origin. His last name suggests so. I posted this question on The Band's newsgoup a few weeks back but it went unanswered. Does anyone here know?

Sat Jan 9 03:43:40 MET 1999

Mama

Lil,you are a gem...and Uncle...I agree, Rick's shows this past year have been great. His voice is stronger than ever....And just for the record...Steve, you ask what can we do about it?? You can start with minding your own business and stop posting your warped perception and influencing otheres who were not ther...Not that it's any of your concern,,but just to make a point that things aren't what they appear to be....Rick had hurt his leg real bad and was in alot of pain.He had trouble standing!!SO there. The details of course...are none of your friggin business.Aren't these guys allowed to have a private life without everyone passing judgement??

Sat Jan 9 02:51:53 MET 1999

Chris Russo

Sundog: Get a friggen clue and a life. Probably wouldnt be a bad idea to get some new friends while you are at it. Who the hell cares? I just wish we still had Richard here. Go research your wierdness elsewhere...

Sat Jan 9 01:35:17 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

STEVE FROM LA: Geez, can we stop this already? Anti Semitic Posts, sexual asphyxiation, junkie status. What's happening in here anyway? I suggest everyone start using this page as Jan intended it to be used or say goodbye to it. Enough is more than enough now folks.

Sat Jan 9 01:33:32 MET 1999

Uncle Hangover

"Stev e" from LA: You don't know what you're talking about. Rick's solo gigs the last year have been wonderful, read the reviews posted on this site. Take your evil gossip somewhere else.

Sat Jan 9 01:24:52 MET 1999

Bones

To Bill Paige: Any news on the Band making any TV shows in support of Jubilation? Are they waiting for Levon's voice to be 100%?

Also, has anybody picked up a copy of Mississippi: River of Song with Levon on it? How is it? I hope everyone here has a nice weekend.

Sat Jan 9 01:20:41 MET 1999

Stev e

The issue that must be dealt with is Ricks health.His years of abuse have caught up with him.We all love the Band....his obvious junkie status is killing him(and he seems not to care)Is it helpless? What can anyone do?In New Orleans he could barley stand and had trouble breathing.

Sat Jan 9 01:05:43 MET 1999

Ragtime W

JENS MAGNUS:

Please read this post when you awake & before you go walking through the Norwegian Woods! The voice that will be singing Hobo Jungle in your head this weekend is Richard's, not Rick's. Only when you come across a Holy Cow out there, well, it will be definitely Rick, as established by the Band Scholars Grand Jury after exhaustive consideration.

ROD:

Why not add We Can Talk to the complicated Manuel songs? The central section of that song is a perfect example of what you & I mean. For the same reason I still believe that Richard co-wrote Long Distance Operator with Dylan.

DIAMOND LIL:

You're right, as usual :-)

Sat Jan 9 00:34:11 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

Well, it's snowing here again. I was just listening to the brown album and thinking about Richard. Guess I'll go outside now and lay a flower in the snow.

Fri Jan 8 23:56:28 MET 1999

Blind Willie McTell

To John Donabie and David Powell

The new tax here in Canada on blank cd's and tapes is an outrage. I don't know about you guys, but when I record I make compilation tapes. On the rare occasion when I tape a CD from a friend I find that I end up buying the CD if I like it.

Apparently, some of this tax money will be diverted back to the recording artists of Canada, how they will do this - I don't know, but the last thing I want is my money going to support third rate musicians or the Celine Dions or Shania Twains or Bryan Adams of the world. They should include a form with a free mailer that allows me to say who I want my $1.50 per tape or CD to go to.

Fri Jan 8 23:55:24 MET 1999

Charlie Young

Joe from London: I have to disagree about "Jubilation" vs. "Redboy." It's like that Country Mouse/ City Mouse analogy again; Robbie's record is cold, mechanical and pretentious while Levon and friends came up with a sound that's warm, organic and inviting. I admire Robbie's talent, but miss the days when he would stoop to be a regular working musician rather than just a pompous talking head on TV--and an "executive" at Dreamworks. Please! I've just read an excellent book about the history of Creedence Clearwater Revival, called "Bad Moon Rising." There are some interesting parallels with The Band. BTW, did anyone else ever hear the similarity between "The Weight" and CCR's "Wrote a Song for Everyone?"

Fri Jan 8 23:24:33 MET 1999

bob c.

hey john in ohio. it's hard to believe that levon and dickey betts never laid anything on tape.i'm sure they jammed together sometime.(does anybody know?).maybe watkins glenn bootleg,but i have never seen anything.love the band and the bros.

Fri Jan 8 22:13:16 MET 1999

Joe

Hi especially to Jan (who tried to help me with browser problems (AOL!) which prevented me from mailing the GuestBook. Also hi to Peter Viney who helped got me a copy of Ridin the Blinds: some nice stuff on the songs Peter! I've wanted to contribute to the discussions for the last month or so and maybe some of the following is a little out of date.

1 What's this stuff about Look Out Cleveland: it's one of my all time favourite. A top song for the rocker type of Band song: name a better anyone! real power of the storm.

2 I'm amazed still that some many Band experts (and I mean this genuinely cos I thought I knew a lot until I read this GB!) couldn't tell it was Rick on Holy Cow and A Change! Astonishing!

3 What is it with all the Robbie bashing still? Contact is a really good album. Native Americans was even better. Different from Band stuff yes but Peyote healing, Unbound are as good as anything on Jubilation IMHO.

4 American Son and the Jesse James concept album are well worth checking out. Beautiful stuff on JJ between Levon and Emmylou

Happy New Year and Peace on the GB!!! PS I echo the anti-racism message too. It has no place here: but please go with Jan's option 3. PPS Ref politics and the Band and pepote Rouge: I heard somewhere that this was a metaphor for new clean politics after Nixon: i.e. Carter was the new start. Georgia was also a tribute on Islands

Fri Jan 8 21:52:11 MET 1999

Mama

It seems to me that who ever started these anti-semetic comments regarding The Band...has a personal agenda.. Hasn't your mama ever told you not to believe everything you read or hear?? And if you have nothing nice to say...then say nothing...

Fri Jan 8 21:30:55 MET 1999

Rod

Winding back a couple of postings to the talk about Richard's songwriting .......

Richard's songs usually have a more complex musical structure than Robbie's - eg time signatures and chord arrangements. Prime examples are Jawbone and Just Another Whistle Stop. I guess alot of the more complicated arrangements in Robbie's early songs were also due to Richard's influence.This may explain why the song structures (an opposed to the musicianship) became more straight forward on the later albums.

Fri Jan 8 21:20:26 MET 1999

Jim

Charlie Young: I heard the band doing Atlantic City yesterday afternoon on WRNR. They are definitely the only station near Washington that would play a band song other than "Cripple Creek". I could only pick up 'RNR up in my car on the east side of town until I got enough of a computer to hear them on the internet.

Fri Jan 8 20:54:53 MET 1999

John Donabie

Thank you David Powell for bringing up the situation we have here in Canada regarding the new taxes on blank tape etc. Don't be surprised if it doesn't spread south. When little Johnny buys his new Springsteen CD...they are afraid that little Johnny will make half a dozen dubs of it for his friends. Reminds me of when they put the tax on blank video tapes a few years ago. Goes with the way things are these days I'm afraid...Guilty till proven Innocent. Someone get me a green card...oops! I hear they are actually pink in color now.

Fri Jan 8 19:13:20 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

Sorry..just want to add one thing to my last post. I hate what's been going on in here more than you know. But giving anymore attention to this sick individual is only going to give him what he's looking for. Thanks for listening.

Fri Jan 8 19:13:03 MET 1999

David Powell

I just read some distressing news that affects our Canadian friends across the border. It seems that the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency, along with several music industry organizations, have successfully lobbied the legislators in Ottawa to add a new tax or levy on recordable media, including blank tapes & discs. The tax, as much as $2.50 Canadian per disc & $1.50 per cassette, essentially doubling their price, will be imposed without regards to intended usage. Although the home recordists' "fair use" priviledge is still recognized, in effect the politicians are penalizing them in advance for that right, while the large scale bootleg operations will still flourish "offshore" unscathed. Thus the music industry has once again succeeded in getting the listener to pay, not only for the new hardware, but also for software necessary to transfer the music you already own to the new format.

Fri Jan 8 19:10:55 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

BRIN: It's my opinion that there is nothing about the Band that brings about this ugliness and hate. Some moronic individuals get off on starting trouble, and I think I now agree with Jan that we should all just try and ignore these nauseating posts and hope that they just go away. I don't think there's any need to explore this subject any further.

Fri Jan 8 18:33:24 MET 1999

brin

FREDDY FISHSTICK

As far as the ‘Virgil Cohen’ post, I don’t consider it a joke and not only because it isn’t funny. A number of things, from the assumption that the name Cohen is itself a laugh-getter to the pointless airing of an ugly subject, ought to make anyone queasy. And smile-faces or quotes from J. Buffet don’t change that.

I don’t know that there is a way to stop that sort of thing, and I never meant to suggest that it is Jan’s responsibility——he and this site are obviously above reproach. My original post only expressed my genuine wonder that this stuff appears the way it does here——regularly, over an extended period, and in guises that range from the very crude to the less blatant (e.g., Mr. Cohen). Is there something you & I don’t hear in The Band that attracts people of that sort? This isn’t just a one-time instance of some pathetic life-form posting random obscenities in upper-case letters. It’s great if someone can ignore those posts and go on with their discussion of Levon’s height (about 5’ 6” is my estimate), but I think something so offensive & bizarrely out-of-place merits examination and exposure.

Fri Jan 8 17:36:35 MET 1999

The Ragman

This compilation cd has my mind workin overtime! I can't make up my mind! Here we go again! Remedy Blind Willie McTell Country Boy Same Thing (I love this tune and NO ONE PICKS IT!) Stand Up Back to Memphis Crazy Mama (watching them do this at Carnegie Hall, after JJ Cale's set was quite a thrill!) Book Faded Brown Don't Wait Bound by Love (left it out last time, what was I thinking???) French Girls I'd include more, but I'd want the new fans to hear a few songs and then buy the catalog! Let our boys make some money!!!

Fri Jan 8 16:29:17 MET 1999

David Powell

Ilkka raised an interesting point regarding the "us against them" political viewpoint of the late 60s/early 70s. It's my opinion that an apolitical stance reflects an aversion to involvement in the political process. One who is apolitical is neither conservative, liberal or radical, but rather someone who remains cynical towards the political process in general, and sees flaws in all sides of political debate.

Perhaps the absence of a stance with the Band in particular had something to do with the fact that the group was made up of four Canadians & one American from the South. This raises a point I don't recall seeing addressed previously, which is whether any of the Canadian members of the Band have ever become U.S. citizens. I don't think their decision to remain apolitical had anything to do with any marketing strategy. Their manager Albert Grossman had other clients like Peter, Paul & Mary and Dylan who had publicly associated themselves with the civil rights & anti-war movements.

I believe the events of 1968 in particular, the escalation of the Vietnam War, the U.S. Presidential campaign, the turmoil at the Democratic convention in Chicago, etc., all left a bad taste in the mouths of liberals & conservatives alike in the United States. The political system seemed to be out of the control of the common citizen, not unlike what is going on in Washington today.

Fri Jan 8 15:37:08 MET 1999

Kicking Horse

Sargent?? How was the trip to the south? Any side trips to music venues?

Fri Jan 8 14:55:49 MET 1999

Jens Magnus

Looking forward to the weekend, I and I have a plan. I'm gonna listen to Hobo Jungle when I wake up, to make a good start on the day off. Then Rick's voice will be with med when I go skiing in the woods later on. The woods in Norway are perhaps a little different from a hobo's jungle, but I really love Rick's singing here! Have a nice weekend, Band lovers.

Fri Jan 8 14:50:15 MET 1999

Just Wonderin'

Just got back from L.A.where I had the pleasure of having my picture taken in front of The Village at 1616 Butler. As you all know Planet Waves was recorded there. I could still feel the ghosts! JOHN DONABIE: Thanks a lot for your help! The historical info was great! Sorry I misspelled your last name on my previous post!

Fri Jan 8 14:32:25 MET 1999

Donabie to Wonderin' Again

Wonderin'....ask for their special orders desk; when you get through since your out of the area. They will take it from there.

Fri Jan 8 14:30:15 MET 1999

John Donabie

TO JUST WONDERIN' FROM THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS:

The phone number for HMV in Toronto is 416-596-0333. A little trivia Wonderin' regarding the last 3 digits in their phone number. They are situated at 333 Yonge Street. This is the scene of the famous Le Coq 'Dor Tavern where Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks home base was situated oh so many years ago.

Fri Jan 8 14:23:01 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Thanks for all of your comments and all of you that kept your comments to yourself, I do understand. Peace, Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Fri Jan 8 11:17:05 MET 1999

Ilkka

RE: David Powell, Pete, Scott Tribble and others.

Many of you are seeing The Band as an apolitical group. The silly thing is that in the 60/70 the apolitical groups (as well as the authors, painters and other artists) were considered as conservatives. You had only two choices: to be with "them" or to be against "them". There was no existence between or outside the right and the left. And it went all the way round: from Jesus Christ to Donald Duck, from Karl Marx to Coca Cola. - The Band was presented as a different group. Was it only a clever marketing trick? If it was, it surely had effect on me!

RE: Sundog

The Web - and not least this Guestbook - is making reality of the ideas of uncencored communication, which we shared in the sixties. We were free to love - not free to hurt other's feelings. You came pretty close to that point in your post about Richard's last day. But, don't worry, it's great to know that Wisconsin has other values beside the maple syrup which I enjoy in Sundaymornings!

Fri Jan 8 07:57:44 MET 1999

John

The Band's web site is almost as great as their music. I can't get enough of The Band. One thing I would like to hear, though, is Levon and Dickie Betts make some music together. I think it would be a perfect match. How does everyone feel about this? A drunkard's dream if I ever did see one !!!!!!

Fri Jan 8 07:30:55 MET 1999

Charlie Young

Jonathan Katz: I heard "Across the Great Divide" on WRNR in Maryland today just as I lost the signal from WXPN in Philadelphia (who also play tracks by our boys pretty often). Both stations have good websites and are diamonds in the sea of rhinestones that is American radio.

Fri Jan 8 05:19:06 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Sitting in my dentist's waiting room some years ago, I heard a muzak verson of The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down. A trumpet played the melody all the way through. It was almost as bad as the Joan Baez version.

Fri Jan 8 04:42:49 MET 1999

Just Wonderin'

John Donobie: Thanks for the info....one more thing...do you happen to have their phone number? Yes I am looking for the compilation cd. Thanks!

Fri Jan 8 04:19:40 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

Sundog old buddy

If that is you dont be fighting over such things. It aint productive and dont belong in this forum. As Jerry Jeff Walker might say- "Aint Nobody's Business". Be a good amigo and find something else to ponder like why there's a rainbow in the sky?

Fri Jan 8 02:48:39 MET 1999

Jerry

Thanks John, Now I won't waste the better part of a VHS tape. Oh, and once again, JAN-GREAT JOB on this site! I wonder why you didn't get nominated for a Webby award? Oh well, maybe next year (?).

Fri Jan 8 01:42:15 MET 1999

Eric Courchene

It's Cool.

Fri Jan 8 01:42:08 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

Gerard

Took your advice and did a search. Here's what was posted

Virgil Cohen From: Southern New York Gerard Regarding you query concerning Aaron Hurwitz's non-admission to The Band. A high placed and confiedential source suggests that Professor Louie was denied membership on the basis of him being Jewish. Having unsuccessfully attempted admission to The Band, such Rumor could be correct.:-):-)

Notice the smiles. This was not the work of an anti-semite. Enough already. Lets take Jan's #3. Peace & love.

Fri Jan 8 01:31:17 MET 1999

Rimshot

SUNDOG: I find it incredibly insensitive that you would ask that kind of question about Richard. I think maybe it's better that you and your friend go on fighting.

A lot of people look at this guestbook, including Richard's family and friends.

Fri Jan 8 01:07:14 MET 1999

Chris D.

Fri Jan 8 01:05:32 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Last night I got into a *BIG* arguement with a friend of mine about the death of Richard Manuel; (in a nutshell) I said he died of depession, my friend said he died of some kind of a sexual gradifacation that went sadly wrong, please post your comments, its the only way that me and him will end this fight. I know its not a happy subject, but I think I'm right-or maybe not...

Fri Jan 8 01:03:59 MET 1999

donabie

one mo' time

Jerry, Levon is on part 3 of River of Song called Southern Fusion.

Fri Jan 8 00:58:54 MET 1999

John Donabie

Just one more post tonight. Speaking of Redhouse Records.

OH BLACK BETTY AND A BAM-A-LAM!!!!!

Koerner/Ray/Glover....Lots More Blues Rags & Hollers coming Jan. 19th. I can't wait. For me, this was my favorite album by these three greats.

Fri Jan 8 00:57:00 MET 1999

Ellarbee

To Ragtime Willie: Thanks for your post. Hope I wasn't redundant in my listing my favorite lineup from the 90's studio albums. If there were postings to such effect a few days ago, I may have missed them as I was down south in Gregg Allman country (Johja) for a few days. In any event, I wouldn't quarrel with your selections. They all look -- and sound -- good to me.

Fri Jan 8 00:53:11 MET 1999

donabie

TO JUST WONDERIN'

HMV has a British website. Nothing here in Toronto. Are you looking for the compliation CD Much More Music put out? Whatever it is..if you call HMV Toronto and tell them what it is you saw on Much, they will send it to you...after you give them that handy dandy credit card #.

Fri Jan 8 00:45:52 MET 1999

donabie

Just a comment on muzak; which I grew up loathing.

Billy Joel, in an interview said he once heard "The Piano Man" in an elevator via muzak. At first listen he was really upset. Royalties not withstanding. After hearing it a few more times, he said he realized that an arranger, a conductor and a group of musicians went to the trouble of recording it. He later said it didn't bother him after that.

Personally I'm still not a muzak fan; but I didn't write the songs. "Write the Songs!" Am I having a Manilow flashback?

Fri Jan 8 00:01:57 MET 1999

Ragtime Willie

Ellarbee

RE The Best of The 90's Band's album: I can't help thinking that we had exactly the same discussion just a few days ago. Many of us posted our lists. My own entry mentioned 5 tracks from Jericho, 1 from HOTH and 5 from Jubilation.

David Powell: well, apology accepted, of course. The Ragman seems to be from Lower East Side, I am as Dutch as ever. Needless to say that me and all my mates like Spike Jones on the box. Just as I like the song of the street that's haunting me.

Any thoughts on the possibility of Richard co-writing the basement song "Long Distance Operator" with Dylan, although he's not credited for it?

Has any of you ever come across appalling muzak versions of Band songs like I did the other day when they made me listen to Chest Fever in a shopping arcade? "There oughta be a law against muzak coming around..."

Thu Jan 7 22:57:52 MET 1999

Just Wonderin'

Does anyone have any idea if HMV has a website? I'm looking for something Much More Music advertised and they directed me to HMV's website, but I can't find it! Thanks!

Thu Jan 7 19:48:07 MET 1999

David Powell

Jerry---Greg Brown has released many fine albums on the Red House Records label. His latest, _Slant 6 Mind_, was just nominated for a Grammy in the "Best Traditional Folk Album" category, although to my ears it sounds more contemporary than traditional.

Sorry Ragtime for confusing "my very best friend" with the guy who "draws circles up & down the block." My question is: which one likes Spike Jones on the box?

Thu Jan 7 19:34:15 MET 1999

Dexy

RE: Best of This Band, I find it hard to top Ellarbee's songlist. I would add FOREVER YOUNG -- I've seen others dis it, but you got to love those harmonies, and Rick's dead-on-Dylan, and FRENCH GIRLS (was that on the list?)for a Garth spotlight. Leading the CD with YOU SEE ME is the brilliant stroke, in my humble. I keep listening to it over and over. Great Levon song.

Thu Jan 7 19:26:56 MET 1999

brin

Is anyone familiar w/the Dylan bootlegs 'Statue of Liberty' and 'All American Boy'? Saw them advertised recently--w/o track listings, but described as 'Big Pink outtakes.' The Dylan billing, the dearth of Band outtakes, the 'AA Boy' title, and the basement/Big Pink confusion all lead me to believe they're probably single-disk basement tape collections, but would appreciate any information.

Thu Jan 7 19:17:08 MET 1999

The Ragman

My choices for the Best of This Band album are: Remedy Blind Willie McTell Atlantic City Amazon Country Boy Same Thing Stand Up Back to Memphis (HOTH) Crazy Mama Book Faded Brown Don't Wait French Girls

Thu Jan 7 19:07:40 MET 1999

Jerry

It must be Levon Helm week! Last night, MuchMore Music aired "Elvis 56" narrated by Levon Helm. And tonight PBS is airing part 2 of "River of Song" which will have a segment on Levon. Part 1 was really good, especially liked the part on Greg Brown, folksinger from Idaho. Does anyone know anything about him?

Thu Jan 7 19:02:52 MET 1999

Ellarbee

To employ a line recently used (and quite well, I might add) by the boys, yesterday I "met an older man, and he said to me....", words closely akin to the following: "Hey, I heard a song called 'Book Faded Brown' on the radio. It sounded like The Band. I didn't know they were still around." Well, sad to say, this comment points to the fact that lots and lots of folks who once enjoyed The Band probably don't know about "Jubilation" or any of the other offerings from the 1990's. And that got me to thinking. If the two Pyramid CD's and the one River North effort were all we had to at our disposal to introduce or re-introduce friends to our favorite group and its ability to put a smile on our face and roll a tear down our cheek, what tracks would we select for one 11-song CD? From those three albums in the 90's, I'd suggest the following songs in the following order: You See Me (Levon perseveres; real guts displayed in rollicking style), Blind Willie McTell (Rick to Levon, Levon to Rick, and a Dylan lyric to boot!), Book Faded Brown (hand-in-hand, life-in-life), Country Boy (couldn't leave Richard out!), Caves of Jericho (I know the chorus is suspect but the plight described and Vassar Clements' fiddle stretches the heart and pierces the soul), Bound by Love (lovely and, possibly, portentious), Remedy (go Jim W! you do, indeed, add a lot in terms of musicianship and personal equanimity), She Knows (Richard's so-touching farewell), Don't Wait (the new classic), Atlantic City (a finer cover has never been recorded!), and French Girls (mysterious; what awaits our boys? something or nothing?) Hope you other visitors will chime in with your thoughts. Maybe this will help move our discussion back to the music of our favorite guys and away from a couple of the unfortunate, apparently intolerant posts of late. Best to all. And thanks, Jan.

Thu Jan 7 18:40:51 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

Does anyone know about the differences between MERCURY REV/DESERTER'S SONGS (LMTD ED.) and the "regular" release? Other than the art work? The track listing is the same.

Thu Jan 7 17:59:08 MET 1999

The Ragman

WFUV in New York City has a few deejays that always pay homage to The Band. Darren DeVivo (CityFolk), will always play at least two Band or Band-related tunes every morning. And Meg Griffin cites Largo as one of the best albums of the year (I agree! Love Levon on Gimme A Stone!), because she loves The Band. So, we can rest assured that people in the know, people who know music, will remember The Band and appreciate them for what they've done and what they've become. Check out WFUV's site. They list the top records in various different ways. It's lots of fun! Our guys are well-represented.

Thu Jan 7 16:45:04 MET 1999

Ragtime Willie

I'll bring my full nom de plume back to avoid confusion. Wellcome Ragman!

Thu Jan 7 16:37:07 MET 1999

Ragtime

Re Manuel basement contributions:

David Powell:

Sorry pal, it was RagTIME this time.

RagMAN is another man.

Thu Jan 7 16:08:30 MET 1999

Mike

Thanks to all who rose to the great lyric challenge.Special honors to Diamond Lil for her quatrain,Charlie Young for his most poetic contribution and Sundog for being...well...Sundog. My favorite was Rimshot's Basement Tapes-worthy line "...and the leg fell off my duck" I guess we'd all agree that it is a lot harder to write lyrics than to talk about them. I hope we can keep on a positive course and ignore the outspoken ignorance that crops up from time to time. The music is what's real.

Thu Jan 7 16:01:47 MET 1999

David Powell

Regarding anti-semitic remarks posted here recently---Although I despise them, I avoid commenting on them because I feel the idiots that write them bask, in their own twisted way, in the attention they draw. Turn a deaf ear to silence the echo.

Thanks Ragman for reminding me of Richard's songwriting contributions on the basement tapes material. That'll be the next LP I'll pull out of the stacks for listening.

"Let the waves rush in, let the seagulls cry / For if I live again, these hopes will never die / I can feel you standing there / But I don't see you anywhere."

Thu Jan 7 15:22:43 MET 1999

Rick Smith

Jan is absolutely correct that strategy #3 is the method of choice to have the LONG-TERM effect of getting rid of the (few) idiots that now threaten the existence of this guestbook. Often, people with limited repertoires engage in problematic behavior to produce attention that they are unable to access otherwise (I see this often in my work with persons with developmental disabilities and behavior disorders). The most direct way to eliminate this type of behavior is to withold such attention; behavior analysts call this "extinction," which seems an appropriate consequence for some of the nonsense that has appeared here lately. One caution: We may see some more of this before it goes away completely, and it may even get worse for a short period (this is called an "extinction burst). It is important that we all refrain from responding if that happens. Hold your tongues (fingers?) just a little while and he/she/they will seek their attention elsewhere.

Thu Jan 7 13:52:04 MET 1999

The Ragman

Yes. No. 3 is great. Thanks, Jan.

Thu Jan 7 13:14:06 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

Remembering my husband John, who passed away 3 years ago on this day. Time heals, but the memories linger on. Miss you babe.

And it makes no difference........

Thu Jan 7 12:15:32 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

Thank you Jan and everyone else. Yes, please let's get back to the music.

Thu Jan 7 11:57:31 MET 1999

Ilkka

RE: JAN HOIBERG

This site is really worth for fighting. Your method nr 3 makes sense. We all can give you our support. Let me start. This is my opinion:

I don't want to read that kind of propaganda (or other anti-whatever). I don't find it intresting or amusing. It makes me sad and I want it to stop on this site, which is dedicated to the music.

Thu Jan 7 09:18:42 MET 1999

Jan Høiberg

There have been a couple of anti-Semitic remarks posted in the guestbook lately. Except for the last remark from Jan 5, 21:14, by "ken ichikawa", about Levon quitting The Hawks because Dylan is Jewish, these comments have been removed from the guestbook quickly. Anyone who have read Levon's book and followed his career over the years, will know that "ichikawa"'s claim is pure nonsense. Many of you have commented on the entry, so I am not going to remove it.

The previous anti-Semitic posts in December here came from a library server in PA, "ichikawa" is posting from an AOL proxy server. It may be the same person, but it'll take a lot of time (that I don't have) to find out the identity of the idiot(s). This is the curse of open net forums, sometimes called "idiot-magnets." We've had the same problems in the chat room at this site.

There are three ways to deal with this:

1. Switch to e-mail submission. This means I have to read all guestbook entries before allowing them to be entered. Takes a lot of time, slows down communication between users.
2. Re-write the programs that handle posting in the guestbook and chat room, to deny access for certain IP-addresses. This is a little shaky, and requires maintenance. Won't stop real morons, who'll just switch ISP or post from whatever other hosts they have access to.
3. Ignore their entries completely (and remove the worst ones). Idiots tend to go somewhere else if they are ignored.

Thu Jan 7 09:15:22 MET 1999

Gerard

DEXY: I remember this "joke" very well (september or october) because the guy reacted to a query of mine, concerning Richard Bell and Aaron Hurwitz and their contributions to Jubilation. His apology only half-convinced me at the time. So I understand how you must feel, RAGMAN. It's not your fault. Believe me, the rumor is only in the madman's head. I never saw the removed post in december. I hope all this pollution comes from only one intruder. We should better ignore him totally. I learned a lot from all the information in this website and enjoy the guestbook discussions. Let's talk music again, please.

Thu Jan 7 06:19:35 MET 1999

Dexy

The absurd posting about Aaron and Levon was dissavowed by its author, pretty soon after it appeared (it was not me, by the way). He said he thought it was an obvious joke, and apologized. It wasn't a real rumor, just an ill-advised attempt at humor. Check the archives -- probably a month or two ago. Anyone who has followed The Band would realize (as I think all of us do) how outlandish the idea that any of its members are bigots is -- the friendships and partnerships with Dylan, Billy Preston, Robbie, Aaron, etc. should be explanation enough. I think we are now all allowing ourselves to get upset about the idiotic rantings of a mean-hearted moron.

Thu Jan 7 05:13:18 MET 1999

The Ragman

I'm very sorry to have continued this. I want to put it to rest and just forget about it, but I can't. My comments insidious? Okay. Time to come clean. The first time I heard about Levon was when someone posted that Aaron Hurwitz wasn't asked to become a member of the group because Levon didn't want any Jews as members, since he felt screwed by their manager Albert Gold-something (Jewish) and Robbie (half-Jewish). I forgot about it, and then I see Ichikawa's message about Dylan being a Jew and it set me off. I don't know The Band personally. I am simply a fan. I love them. This hurt me and I can't let it go until I know the truth. I'm sorry, Jan, that this has come up and that I have something to do with it. I love this site. But please understand, these things have to be dealt with thoroughly and strongly.

Thu Jan 7 04:07:06 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Diamond Lil, most regulars here never saw the remarks in question as Jan excised them quickly. Unlike some, I don't feel qualified to comment on something I haven't read. I guess the only reason the said postings are still here is because Jan is on holiday. I'm sure when he sees the post he'll cut it. He'll also react very strongly to it. I don't believe anyone here needs to establish credentials to add weight to their feelings about anti-semitism. The poster employs a few simple yet effective tools: fake name, matter-of-fact tone, inflammatory message. But at his/her core is the same puerile mindset that has been doing these sorts of things for years. We can make our indignity known, but in this arena of the freest of speech there's little else we can do. However, Ken, like most people who espouse these sorts of feelings, you are obviously more than a little jealous of the accomplishments of Jewish people. Why else verbalize such an obviously stupid thing, unless you want us to think you actually are stupid? I can't imagine that's your intent. But from the construct of your post and your adolescent nom-de-plume, I'm gonna guess your accomplishments in life are rather thin, as your reflection of talent is dull indeed. But keeping this sort of thing up does bestow one benefit. We are here discussing some incredibly literate songwriters who rose to great heights. Your posts remind us all how low it can go.

Thu Jan 7 03:25:46 MET 1999

John

Ragman/Ricky/Ken Ichikawa/Kicking Funky Dude- we all the same. Nobody can stop me!

Thu Jan 7 02:38:00 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

RE:ANTI SEMITISM

Although it's nice to see some of you speaking out against what has become an all too frequent and nauseating occurrence in this book lately, I do have one question. Where were all of you about a month ago when I was asking for this to please stop?

Thu Jan 7 01:59:38 MET 1999

rICKy

I think if we ignore the guy he'll go away. On another note, some no-brain is sending idiotic emails to me. They sound like, perhaps, a 12 year old kid who just learned the *f* word. Whoever you are, I don't really care that you figured out who I am now get over it and go away.

Thu Jan 7 01:49:27 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

Re: Anti-semitism etc.

I too am a Jew, and I appreciate the anti-racist sentiment expressed in this Guestbook. I am however, somewhat disturbed about The Ragman's comment. Is he suggesting that he's heard other people attribute anti-semitism to Levon? Did I read his post right? It is inconceivable that someone with the stature and intelligence of Levon could be anti-semetic and any fan of The Band should know this. I am sure The Ragman did not mean to be offensive, but his post makes me think of The Rumour. We know that Ichikawa's an idiot but I think The Ragman's comments are potentially more insidious.

Thu Jan 7 00:24:43 MET 1999

Gerard & Ragtime

John Donabie & Brin & "Concerned citizen" & all other Band fans:

It's not that we don't care. On the contrary. Yes we are upset. Of course we are. This happened before. Maybe it all originates from the same disturbed mind. At first we thought it was something to ignore, hoping it would stop. Now it seems to be ineradicable. If this is an inevitable sideproduct of Internet-discussions, maybe we'd better quit. Anyway: it has nothing to do with The Band, nor with those who care about their music. And it's certainly an offense to Jan Hoiberg's sincere efforts.

Thu Jan 7 00:18:33 MET 1999

The Ragman

I am very upset about the anti-Semitic remarks, especially since I heard them before about Levon. Being a Jew, and a great fan of The Band, this especially hurts. Not since it was found that Joseph Campbell was anti-Semitic have I been so upset. I'm hoping that there's no creedence to "Ichikawa's" remarks and that we can concentrate on the music. It's nice to hear people who are not Jewish getting upset about it and voicing their upset.

Thu Jan 7 00:16:19 MET 1999

Bones

Last night on Tom Snyder, Robbie told a great story that I had never heard before. The Hawks were playing in some dive, and all this negative vibe started to come from the audience. It turned out to be a place filled with Indians who were flicking their cigarettes on our boys. Robbie said the rest of the group looked to him to do something about it since he was half-mohawk, but Robbie said that as soon as the show was over, he was the first one out the door.

Wed Jan 6 23:56:51 MET 1999

JOHN DONABIE

WHAT IN THE HELL BUTTON DID I PUSH TO GET MY LAST ENTRY?

I'M RATHER SUPRISED THAT NO ONE IS UPSET ABOUT THE ANTI-SEMITE REMARKS EARLIER IN THIS SITE. BRIN I CONGRATULATE YOU FOR SPEAKING UP. REMEMBER THAT SILENCE MEANS SOMETHING. I'M NOT EVEN JEWISH AND IT SURE TICKED ME OFF.

Wed Jan 6 23:53:27 MET 1999

jOHN dONABI

Wed Jan 6 23:07:27 MET 1999

Don Pugatch

David, your right about Richard, Every time I listen to any song he ever sung or was part of, I drop a tear. No one will ever know how great he could have been, or better still how much better he could have been. I always go back to the last line of the last song on Rick's solo album about suicide, and once again, another drop comes from eyes. On another note, the Dylan comments, not surprised, the worse type of bigots are not the ones who show their face, but the ones who hide behind the closest doors.

Wed Jan 6 22:41:54 MET 1999

Ragtime

A shocking experience.

Today I walked through the "Passage", which is a shopping arcade in The Hague, dating from the early 1900s.

They were playing muzak. I hate muzak. Well, you all do, of course. I am even a militant member of a Dutch anti-muzak society fighting for a muzak-free environment

Anyway: I had to be there, this morning. Couldn't avoid it. Normally I try not to hear what the loudspeakers are doing to me. This time I was struck by a whiny tune that sounded vaguely familiar. It happened to be a slow & slimy arrangement of "Chest Fever"!

I had to play the real thing all day to expell this painful experience out of my head. Now I'm wondering how one of the most intense Band songs could be turned into something absolutely horrible.

DAVID POWELL:

Richard also wrote "Orange Juice Blues" & co-wrote "Ruben Remus" & "Katie's Been Gone" with Robbie. I also presume he took part in writing "Long Distance Operator", although he was not credited for it. The syncoping rhythm points into that direction. It could be of interest to find out "who did what" (music and/or lyrics) when they were co-writing.

Ilkka:

nice to have you back. Please tell us once more about deers, tubas & bass guitars.

Wed Jan 6 22:26:27 MET 1999

James Ferris

We can never know why what happened, happened. All we know is that it did. Hoskyns says that Robbie tired of being their caretaker. And Robbie says he called a session at Shangri-La and no one showed up. Levon says they were all disillusioned cause Robbie got all the royalties. Maybe he deserved it. Maybe he didn't. It's very complicated. We can't know if we weren't in the room. It's jsut sad that they set out to be different (no frontman) and avoid all of the bull, but instead lapsed into it anyway. I don't think it was sinister. It was just human. And that is why we love them; their humanity.

Wed Jan 6 22:11:54 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

To Jerry:

You make it sound like something sinister on Robbie's part. How much of the change was a result of the others stepping back as opposed to Robbie stepping forward?

Wed Jan 6 20:46:22 MET 1999

Jerry

Re:Ferris.

out there in Band land there were supposed to be no stars. no frontmen. They were supposed to be the rhythm section. Robbie forgot that somewhere along the way.

Wed Jan 6 19:08:02 MET 1999

James Ferris

I also noticed Richard's contributions to the Band's records becoming less and less while Robbie's grew greater and greater. Robbie starts out talking about playing guitar fills here and there (like Curtis Mayfield), but by Rock of Ages, he becomes a lead guitarist who dominates the group. Garth Hundson turned into a supporting character, a Honey Boy, who once a dominant member, provided "colors."

Wed Jan 6 18:02:10 MET 1999

David Powell

A week or so ago my trusty old NAD CD player bit the dust. Even though I normally listen to LPs about half of my listening time, the past few weeks have been devoted exclusively to analog. I pulled out some of my LP purchases from the past year, including Capitol first pressing copies of _Music From Big Pink_ & _Moondog Matinee_, a German import copy of _Rock Of Ages_, and the recent EMI reissue of _The Band_. So lately I've been in vinyl heaven.

While listening to the Big Pink & Brown albums, I once again realized how much I miss Richard Manuel as a songwriter, as well as a singer. From a songwriter standpoint, Big Pink was just as much Richard's conception as it was Robbie's. After all, Richard contributed "In A Station," "We Can Talk," "Lonesome Suzie" and collaborated with Dylan on the opening song of the album, "Tears Of Rage." That's four out of the eleven songs (ten if you don't count the cover version of "Long Black Veil"); and what a significant contribution it truly is.

On the stellar Brown album Richard collaborated with Robbie on "When You Awake," "Whispering Pines," and "Jawbone." His songwriting contribution on those songs must have indeed been significant, since Robbie would share official credit with him. It seems so sad to me today when I think about how Richard's voice as a songwriter faded away years before his voice as a singer. I keep hoping that there are some more of his songs, that were recorded at some point, which we haven't heard yet. Does anyone know of any?

As the bitter cold weather has finally hit us down here in Georgia, I've been thinking I'd rather be burned up in Canada, then to freeze down in the South.

Wed Jan 6 17:51:47 MET 1999

Ilkka

1. About the Canadian accent

I have lived three weeks without Internet, TV or magazines. My only connection has been a short wave receiver. (A good practice before the Y2K!) Of some reason it was Radio Canada International which had the clearest voice. English is not my first or even my second language, but I learned to separate the Canadian station among the others easily without knowing what it was. It sounded straight, sincere and true - and I mean the language itself in the first place. - I wonder how you Americans (in both side of the border) really FEEL this thing, when you listen to the Canadian part of The Band - or is there any difference? Does the accent means a lot to you?

2. RE: OYVIND - I'm wondering too! If you know the easy way to solve this problem, please let us others here in the Nordic Countries to know. Tak!

Wed Jan 6 17:04:21 MET 1999

James Ferris

"Contact" hasn't stood the test of time for me. I played it often when I first brought it home, and now hardly ever. For the most part, the production tries to mask the mediocre songs. Except for "Handsome Lake" and "The Noise is Fading", I find the cd pretentious and boring.

Wed Jan 6 16:28:02 MET 1999

Øyvind Pettersen

I am trying to find out who is distributing JUBILATION here in Scandinava and in Europe. It looks to me like it is not distributed or sold over here at ALL?! Except in shops that import themselves. What is wrong? I have only heard "Don't Wait" and "Bound by Love" on a tape, but they are both WONDERFUL songs.

Wed Jan 6 16:14:25 MET 1999

Just Wonderin'

To recap RR on Tom Snyder. They talked about Contact and the fact that it is an unusual award considering the music has always been here, but he's grateful for the nomination. A lot of the interview was a recap of the previous interview touching on RR's involvment with Ronnie Hawkins and the Band. They talked about Making a Noise (which is supposed to be on PBS tonight) and where he came from. Snyder asked him about his involvement and Robertson stated that he is very interested in devoloping an artist oriented company. They spoke of Watkins Glen as well. If you are interested post your email address and I'll try to copy my tape for you.

Wed Jan 6 15:33:25 MET 1999

Concerned Citizen of The World

I have to second Brin's comments about the anti-Semite comments on this web site. (ken ichikawa) Jan will only take so much and he hasn't got all day to check every entry. The obvious false name of ken ichikawa takes shots at jews and with his misleading name, North American Indians. We're heading into the next century and we will have people living in the past with their ignorance.

THIS IS A SITE ABOUT MUSIC. NOT HATRED!!!!!!!!!

Wed Jan 6 14:37:20 MET 1999

Karen Mann

Can anyone recap what Robbie Robertson had to say last night on Tom Snyder? I unfortunately had to miss it.

Wed Jan 6 07:49:26 MET 1999

kicking funky dude

You have been HIDING for so so long...come out and say it! You have No balls to mean what you say and say7 what you mean.Ricky?

Wed Jan 6 07:01:49 MET 1999

Charlie Young

Pete Rivard: I loved your "Country Mouse and City Mouse" analogy to Robbie and Levon. Now that Robbie has bragged to Tom Snyder about being an "executive" at Dreamworks, maybe he can produce an animated version of that story.

Wed Jan 6 04:39:50 MET 1999

Bill

I hate to bring up a touchy subject, and I respect artists' privacy, but everyone else seems to know what happened to Levon's singing voice and his health but me. I was there on New Year's Eve and this was my first time seeing the Band in over two years. Last time Levon's voice was as powerful as ever, and regardless of what everyone thinks of HOTH it sounded pretty good on that CD too. I have to conclude he has been dealing with some pretty serious health problems from the comments on his weight (he's still pretty skinny) and if I'm right I wish him a full recovery. The club will be a great venue when the management gets their act together and I'll definitely be back in the spring for Jazzfest. They still sound like The Band, especially to my wife who was familiar with the records but didn't know who did what. Sorry about any errors in the cast of characters - I now know it is AARON Hurwitz I saw and thanks for the names of the singers. Rick was actually holding down the vocal fort when I heard them although instrumentally he seemed a bit distracted and glad to leave the bass playing to the other fellow. (When he did play bass it was the old Rick - very melodic and pumping) Anyway, long live the Band!!

Wed Jan 6 03:45:23 MET 1999

Scott Stephens

For those of us who couldn't be there, thanks to Rick Smith for his review of the New Orleans show and comments about Levon's new place. I was surprised by your take on Rick. In the solo shows I've seen recently, he's been terrific, as has Aaron. Maybe a bad night? Give him another chance if you get a chance to catch his act. Peace from the North Coast.

Wed Jan 6 02:20:28 MET 1999

Ken Itchingforbrains

Please excuse my prior posts I'm off my meds. Gonna give the Medicine Man hell!

Wed Jan 6 01:42:16 MET 1999

Ragtime

I just checked Colin Larkin's "Virgin all-time album top 1000 list", which is one of the largest polls in the world, sponsored by Virgin megastores. They claim to have over 200.000 people answering, many of them Americans.

The adress is http://web.pncl.co.uk/~rocklist/virgin_1000.html

In this poll 3 Band albums are mentioned. They all went down since the previous poll:

Brown album from 35 to 49;

Big Pink from 163 to 258;

Stage Fright from 230 to 532.

Could this be a trend? Someone on the alt.music.theband neswgroup wondered if The Band could be fading away slowly. Anyway the 2 highest noted Dylan albums are Highway 61 Revisited (down from 2 to 26) & Blood On The tracks (up from 98 to 24). So this poll is a "swing-o-meter". Which seems reassuring to me.

P.S. I promise I'll never write mock lyrics again. Think before you post Ragtime!

Wed Jan 6 00:25:48 MET 1999

Scott Tribble

Hey Dave-

Nice to see a former compee alive and well.

You Indy folks review Jubilation at all?

Wed Jan 6 00:15:45 MET 1999

Bones

Congrats to Robbie Robertson! Two Grammy nominations(Best World Music Album and Best Engineered Album for Non-Classical). He is slated to appear on the Late Late Show with Tom Snyder tonight.

Tue Jan 5 23:15:08 MET 1999

Pete Rivard

Rootin' through some boxes in the basement a few days ago, I came across this beat up old copy of "City Mouse and Country Mouse" and for some reason this children's book seemed like a marvelous metaphor for the Robbie/Levon relationship. It seems to be in the nature of rural folk, especially farmers to complain nonstop. Too much rain, not enough rain, pork prices are too low, the banker's cheatin' 'em (pencil-whipping) them out of the farm. Things happen to them. They are victims of ...whatever. Levon is the Country Mouse.

City folk are working the angle, calculating, slick, competitive, maybe a little full of themselves. They make things happen. Robbie's the City Mouse. City Mouse and COuntry Mouse end up happier apart than they were together.

Tue Jan 5 23:03:35 MET 1999

brin

RE: KEN ICHIKAWA

What is there about an outstanding site, dedicated to my favourite band, that seems irresistable to anti-Semites? I've tried to figure out the allure, but just can't make the connection. The dull, the wrong-headed, the crazed---and there is an abundance of each---can be ignored or dismissed, but the real ugliness---which turns up regularly---leaves a creepiness that lingers.

Tue Jan 5 22:56:18 MET 1999

David Powell

Yes Ragman, Dave is correct. Apparently the members of the Recording Academy consider Native-American type music to be "otherworldly." Or maybe it's just because Robertson used the word "underworld" in the title.

For those of you who are interested, the entire list of Grammy nominees can be accessed at the following website:

http://www.grammy.com/awards/nominees.html

Tue Jan 5 22:46:13 MET 1999

Stefan Eriksson

David Lindley are my biggest inspiration at the moment. Specially "Win this records".

Tue Jan 5 21:59:23 MET 1999

John Donabie

To Alex Hannaford: What do you mean NOT CANADA! Might be an interesting place to start!!

Tue Jan 5 21:47:15 MET 1999

The Ragman

I hope that's not true.

Tue Jan 5 21:14:31 MET 1999

ken ichikawa

to don pugatch: listen man, the real reason why levon quit is cuz dylan was a jew.

Tue Jan 5 20:53:37 MET 1999

Dave

I just read that Robbie was nominated for a Grammy
for Contact From The Underworld Of Redboy.

The category is Best World Music Album, which seems
a bit odd to me.

Tue Jan 5 19:32:51 MET 1999

alex hannaford

I am a British journalist due to visit America in April. Having spoken with Jan, I'm posting a message on this site asking for your help: - I'd like to interview anyone that went to see the Band (or any other notable 60s / 70s bands or performers in the States (not Canada) during that time. I'm writing a book on a road trip across the States but stopping off at the bars, venues, clubs, etc. that major artists that have shaped music history have played. If you still live in the States (I'm passing through New York, Detroit, Chicago, Memphis, New Orleans, Texas, Los Angeles, and San Fran.) and were part of the "scene" in the 60s / early 70s, then I'd really like to hear from you. Please email me. Thanks for your help, and remember, the change is gonna come. Alex.

Tue Jan 5 18:20:42 MET 1999

David Powell

Thank you Rick Smith for the fine, detailed report on the Band's performance. After all things are said & done, it's only the music that really matters.

Regarding the recent political debate, it's my opinion that the Band purposefully chose to remain apolitical during a time when many chose to inject politics into everything. Perhaps the best description of that era is captured in the movie _Woodstock_, in the scene where Abby Hoffman attempts to start his political rant while the Who are onstage. Pete Townsend quickly demonstrates his displeasure with the situation by giving Mr. Hoffman the business end of his guitar neck. This picture is truly worth a thousand words.

Speaking of pictures, try this at home folks: Take the "next of kin" picture from the Big Pink album (preferably the larger version from inside the LP) and juxtapose it with a freeze frame image from the Last Waltz video of all the performers onstage singing "I Shall Be Released." The incongruence apparent between these two images perhaps says more about what happened to the Band than any words could express.

Tue Jan 5 18:11:09 MET 1999

The Ragman

I also saw Eat the Document at the Museum of Broadcasting, and it always struck me as a blemish on Levon that he quit the Dylan Tour. I wonder how the other members and those close to the Band really felt about it. I wonder if he regrets it. He commends Dylan for never giving up his commitment to an electric band, yet he himself quit. I'd love to hear more on the subject.

Tue Jan 5 17:53:21 MET 1999

Don Pugatch

Levon was not touring with Dylan in 66 because he could not take the booing and left the group. Mick Jones was unbelievable, and Levon was fortunate that when he decided to return to The Band, there was no problems of any major consequence in securing his "spot". Coal Miners Daughter was not made till after The Band split up, and the only thing Levon was practicing after he left the Dylan tour was staying alive.

Tue Jan 5 17:12:08 MET 1999

Ol' Dexy

Thank you Rick Smith. That was the best description of the New Orleans shows I have seen. FYI, from other posts, it appears they did do BOOK FADED BROWN and WHITE CADILLAC, maybe in later encores.

Tue Jan 5 16:58:55 MET 1999

Pete

Regarding the argument about The Band being politically conservative, I would say that is off the mark. I think it would be more accurate to call them socially conservative, at least in terms of image. The whole deal with the importance of family, responsibility, loyalty, and such values is woven throughout the first three albums, and also much on Cahoots. Of course, this is somewhat of a veil if the rumors of their lascivity is anywhere near the mark. Which is not to condemn that, but simply to point to an idea I think someone mentioned earlier about the difference between reality and image. Wasn't it DH Lawrence who said something about this to the effect of not trusting the artist, just his art (or were "artist" and "art" reversed?).

Tue Jan 5 16:39:15 MET 1999

Rick Smith

I'm a frequent visitor to this site and a long-time fan of the Band. I almost never post (can't stand the heat...) but, since I caught last Saturday's show, I thought I'd offer some impressions of the show. First, some background:

My wife (not a Band fan but a real sport!) and I drove to New Orleans on our way back to TX from Tampa after a few days of holiday family time. The ride was rough; started at 6am, encountered bad, bad weather, and both my wife and I were fighting illness. Pulled into N.O. about 4:30, picked up a friend, and headed to the French Quarter. First stop (around 7:30), Levon's; a moderate sized club, still showing lots of signs of not being quite ready to open (unfinished woodwork, bathrooms not working, etc.). Asked the guy at the door (who later served as emcee) when the Band would come on and he told us it'd be about 11:30, so we decided to wander the quarter for a while. Got back around 10:00, as Banu Gibson was finishing her set (nice jazz standards). Tommy "Bones" Malone set up and played a set of mainly standard R&B tunes, accompanied by Jim Weider, Randy Ciarlante, Garth (on horns), Aaron Hurwitz, a couple other horn players, and Mike Dunn on bass. A nice set, but went a bit long for me (ended just before midnight). Didn't take too long to set up for the Band, and they came on about 12:15 or so. And a lager crew they were; in addition to the core group, Tommy Malone and 2 other horns were present, as well as Aaron (on and off), Amy Helm, and Marie Spinosa. Quite a full stage.

The guys spent a few minutes figuring out what to start with, and began playing what I thought was going to be Long Black Veil but turned out to be Walcott. I think everybody but Rick was expecting LBV or something else, too, because it was RAGGED; very, very rough. I think Levon recognized this, because as soon as they wrapped it up he sort of stood up at the kit, took control, and launched into Ophelia--singing the lead! This was, for me the highlight of the show, as his voice sounded stronger than on "Jubilation" and everybody was ON IT. As good a version as I've seen them play. The remainder of the set consisted of mainly classics and some tunes from nineties. Levon never really sang lead again, with Randy doing a nice job of filling in (but it just ain't the same). As someone noted about the New Year's show, Carnival was great, Don't Do It also very good. Notable absences from the set: Rag Mama Rag, Cripple Creek, Stage Fright, Wheel's on Fire, Atlantic City, and anything (that's right, anything) from "Jubilation." They also played a few non-band tunes, and featured Marie Spinoza on one blues tune. A major impression was the BIG sound; very few of those quiet, open spaces that defined previous incarnations of this group. As with the previous show, no Rick during the first encore; he may have played later, but we had to leave during the first encore (before the flames begin, please understand that we went directly from the show back on the road for another 10 hour drive starting at 2am, and both my wife and I were still a little "under the weather").

A couple more random thoughts: Probably the biggest disappointment of the night was Rick's performance. He never really seemed into it, and from the mees-up on the first song through the end, his performance was perfunctory. During It Makes No Difference my wife asked me if he was alright. He sat thoughout, yawned, and had no contact with the audience. Garth was Garth; solid as a rock and right on the money, adding his signature coloring and doing what he could to make this band sound like The Band. The best news was Levon. He seemed to enjoy this show more than any I've seen, smiling and grooving throughout. Drumming was near-perfect and, though he did not take leads, he did try to sing along frequently (in fact, we sat just in front of the soundboard and, when he decided to sing during the Weight I yelled at the sound man to turn his mike up--he smiled a big smile and brought Levon up to an audible level). I got a chance to speak with him before the show; told him he was looking good (it was true; he's gained weight, is clean-shaven, and looks about 10 years younger than last I saw him) and had the best wishes of a lot of people for good health. He said he was doing "as well as possible" and thanked me (and all of you) for the good thoughts.

My final thoughts are that I may have seen the future of the Band. I think the Band will be a very, very good "show" band, and their live shows will probably continue to feature a large cast of extras with Amy, Marie, and Randy on vocals (unless Levon fully recovers). I suspect we won't see extended tours, but occasional shows at Levon's. He seems to be very happy and content in the role of impressario and band leader, so I doubt that there's much incentive to hit the road. Still, I can't help but wish they'd take the stage alone, turn the amps down just a little, and take a shot at that old, open sound just one more time...

Tue Jan 5 14:34:52 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

please, please Doctor, send me a pen, I've done it again, and now I'm back in the pin (jail).

Tue Jan 5 14:20:24 MET 1999

Ian

Whispering Pnes is my favorite Band tune. When I first brought home the Brown Album, it was the tune I skipped. However, as time went on, I got curious about that song and it has become over the years my favorite. Levon and Richard echoing each other; "the cold, cold sun"; it is a beautiful song. Also, I think Barney Hoskyns picks it as one of his favorites in Across the Great Divide.

Tue Jan 5 12:25:03 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

DONALD JOSEPH:You are certainly entitled to your opinion about the tune "Pines", but I would just like to clarify something. Never did I feel "shot down" by Richards response. I didn't ask him to explaing the song to me, I simply asked him about the concept of pine trees "whispering". And to this day, when I hear them, think of him.

BTW..if anyone's interested....I've taken to keeping a big, ol dictionary within arms reach of my computer these days, and not to sit on to reach the keyboard either. So here's what I want to know. Do you guys just _know_ all those big words, or are you using a thesaurus, or what?

Tue Jan 5 07:21:46 MET 1999

Dave Hopkins

At the risk of repeating others, I also found Peter Viney's treatment of "Daniel" excellent. I have two things to add: 1) the whip-poor-will does indeed have a loud, clear, and distinctive call (from which it gets its name), and Robertson's use of the autoharp as the "harp" in the song is one of the Band's all-time best instrumental touches. It reminds me, actually, of the point in "High Cotton" when Rick sings about a Gibson mandolin and Levon's mandolin is brought up in the mix for a second.

Tue Jan 5 06:45:14 MET 1999

Ragtime

"And to the doctor I just said

I'm hearing little voices in my head

Well son, the doctor laughed

Why don'tcha make a paragraph

I said oh doctor It ain't no joke

My paragraph burnt down in smoke"

Tue Jan 5 06:39:12 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

Viney: I just studied your "Sacred Harp" piece; you really are a monster and a scholar.

Although it's off-topic to your textual analysis, I was reminded of my favorite "Sacred Harp" story: At the 1st Scorcese/Robbie Robertson meeting, Scorcese was pitching for the job of directing the TLW film. (Hard to believe if Marty wanted the project that RR would need to stroke his chin over it.) To establish credibility and rapport, Marty recited for Robbie all the lyrics to "Sacred Harp." Robbie was won over, and the rest is movie history.

I find that anecdote revealing: Did Robbie really have the balls to sit quiet while Marty talked through the entire tune (true, Marty talks VERY FAST)? And note Robbie's ego entering the picture: "O.K., you know my lyrics; that makes you ok." If Marty had recited the words to "Lonesome Suzie" would TLW have been directed by DePalma?

Also a propos of "Sacred Harp," listen to the Tom Russell/Barrence Whitfield cover: They preserve the roles of the 2 lead vocalists. While their cover is respectful and follows a similar arrangement, it lacks the somber gravity of the original.

Tue Jan 5 06:03:23 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

I know you'll flame me, but in the interest of candor I confess I always have pegged "Whispering Pines" as the most boring Brown album tune, bordering on unlistenable. I don't even know if the lyrics are any good, because I never could stomach the damn dirge. Now don't go off and call me a Richard basher, or accuse me of only liking my Richard up-tempo ("Saved," "Shape I'm In," "4% Pantomime"). I've always been big, big into "Lonesome Suzie," "Tears of Rage," "Great Pretender," "Ga.," et al. In fact, I'd rate "Tura Lura Lural" (TLW) as one of the very best Band performances ever recorded -- Richard on it can bring tears to my eyes -- yet none of you lemming Band-dandies even considers that classic Beak cover part of the Band's oevure -- because the critics haven't told you it's o.k. to like it .

But "Pines" sucks, people.

BTW, I have a similarly dim opinion about "Tennessee Blues," the closer of my favorite non-Band album, the Ricky-produced "Bobby Charles." "Tenn. Blues" -- which sounds a lot like "Pines" to me -- is the most widely-covered song on that album, but I can hardly get through it -- although my wife thinks it's beautiful.

BTW part 2: I'm proud of Richard for his evasive response to Lil regarding analyzing "Pines" (although I'm sorry, Lil: I know how it feels to get shot down when questioning an artist; cf. my stalled Doug Sahm interview I've mentioned here before). I can't stand pop artists who deconstruct their own work. Elvis Costello is the worst offender here -- read an interview with him, and you'll find yourself gasping through several-page exigesis finding Christ figures and Oedipus complexes in "Watching the Detectives" and "Allison." Yuch!

Tribble, the "oevure," "cf.," "deconstruct," "exegesis," and "Oedipus complex," supra, are dedicated to you.

Tue Jan 5 06:00:59 MET 1999

Ken Ichikawa

the reason why levon is not on the dylan 66 is because he was preparing for the role of loretta lynn's dad in coal miners daughter.

Tue Jan 5 05:25:40 MET 1999

Scott Tribble

Some thoughts on recent postings:

Pete, I don't think anyone around here is trying to say the Band's music is conservative. My article argues quite strongly that, if anything, the songs advanced a quite liberal worldview, and that contemporary critics, as in the case of Burks with "Sleeping," took them erroneously as conservative.

Donald: Further to the above point, I agree with you on the social/political distinction. However, I would clarify that further to suggest that what I am trying to elucidate is a worldview colored by exploitation and injustice, not necessarily a particular program of reform tied to politicians (which is why I didn't work with Carter at all). I think that a belief in economic exploitation of labor by capital can be expressed more as a worldview than a platform of political beliefs.

I had hoped the exposition of the article would express the following point, but perhaps it is worth clarifying further. I believe strongly that 'Next of Kin' and other shots from MFBP were in fact of the group's choosing and the group had intent to use them to create a conservative image. As I mentioned in the article, if anything, the photos represented a conscious attempts to tie the band members to frontiersmen, miners, and outlaws of the Old West. However, as I also argued, this image was appropriated and manipulated into something much larger and more conservative beyond their control--something I would argue they were compelled to fall in line with by the time of the brown album and Stage Fright. Levon's comments about Next of Kin being all about the love of family only bolsters my original point that the Capitol/Grossman appropriation of the image had little to do with the original intent--in fact, I made reference in my article to the fact that the picture was intended originally to reflect the group's respect for cultural tradition.

Donald, in regard to my audience, I should tell you that my article was intended initially for a graduate student seminar audience and later for an academic journal. Hence, words like "counter-hegemonic" make sense in that context--not so much here, as I would agree with you. I could have just sat on the article entirely, but I wanted to share it here even if it's not written along the lines of other stuff on the web site. I am surprised, though, that you point to Marcus for clarity--I found Mystery Train tolerable, but Invisible Republic to be one of the most circuitous and self-indulgent texts I have ever read.

Ragtime: That was my question exactly for the expert. Is there a connection between the shape-note tradition and the music, given that Robbie has said it was inspired by the tradition? Unfortunately, I have yet to hear back from him on the matter. I will keep you all posted on what he ultimately says.

Tue Jan 5 05:14:46 MET 1999

WAIT

"Crazy Chester told me there is ice in Levon's tent, And Rickey's gone now, gotta pay John some rent, And the Bone Cracker told Garth, if you eat with me I'm willin', Garth said you got a deal, son, only I'm not gonna talk about Dylan."

Tue Jan 5 05:01:18 MET 1999

brin

PETE RIVARD

"Behind every great fortune..." Honore de Balzac

Tue Jan 5 04:51:31 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

CHORUS:Doctor you must understand

I'm really not insane

But all this guestbook posting

Is just softening my brain :-)

Tue Jan 5 04:47:39 MET 1999

Charlie Young

CHORUS: "...so fly back South with those Canadian geese, fly back South tonight..."

Tue Jan 5 04:46:28 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

Levon doing Summertime Blues with the Cate Brothers on Second City TV.

Tue Jan 5 04:45:00 MET 1999

Old, Cold Charlie

Tue Jan 5 04:11:34 MET 1999

Rimshot

"..and the leg fell off my duck."

CHORUS:

Tue Jan 5 03:42:45 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

Tue Jan 5 03:37:05 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran

and I'm a nickle short of a good day,

Tue Jan 5 03:20:00 MET 1999

Ricky Gregors

"He said, 'Son, I'm afraid it's bad, now, the whole town's burnin' down..."

Tue Jan 5 02:29:13 MET 1999

mike

I read this page nearly every day.Many of the posts lately remind me of recess tattles in grade school."He called me over-erudite....You can't even make paragraphs...Haven't you read Hoskyns?....He's hogging the entries." All this seems far from the spirit of the musicians we celebrate.I'd like to hear more from people about the music. Much harder to be articulate about music than personalities.(Twyla Tharpe said "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture.)I'd like to suggest a more positive activity. I challenge you all to cooperatively create a lyric in the style of the Brown album or Jubilation. We each add a line and see what we can come up with. Here is the opening line- "My doctor called me with some news today- He said, "Son..." respectfully yours- Mike

Tue Jan 5 02:03:19 MET 1999

Jerry

Band 90s tape, I included some non-band stuff too, hope that's ok.

Blue River - Danko/Fjeld/Anderson

One More Shot

Blaze of Glory

Soul Deep - The Band, Jericho out take

When I Paint my MasterPiece - The Band, Dylan 30th Anniversary

Remedy

Blind Willie McTell

Atlantic City

Stuff You Gotta Watch

Blues Stay Away from Me

Youngblood - The Band, Doc Pomus Tribute

Stand Up

Not Fade Away - The Band, Buddy Holly Tribute

Going to Main St - Levon & Muddy Waters T.B.

Deuce & a Quarter

Book Faded Brown

Don't Wait

Last Train to Memphis

High Cotton

White Cadillac

You See Me

French Girls

Tue Jan 5 01:34:58 MET 1999

John Donabie

TO JAMES FERRIS:

I don't know if you are a new fan or not ; but I noticed no one responded to you. Levon left The Hawks during this period for about six months. The booing each night didn't make a lot of sense to him. He ended up in New Orleans for a period of time and when The Band were doing the Basement Tapes, they called him up and said "come on home." He did and we benefit from that.

Tue Jan 5 01:01:37 MET 1999

Pete Rivard

"Behind every great fortune is a great crime." Anyone know who first said that?

Tue Jan 5 00:58:41 MET 1999

Pete Rivard

Re: Daniel and the Sacred Harp and this business of selling one's soul: I think that anyone who achieves any level of greatness in any pursuit does so at the direct expense of themselves and loved ones, and so sells part of themselves to purchase that achievement. Artists are vivid examples of this, and musicians possibly most of all. No one is born with anything other than aptitude, the rest is practice, practice, practice. It's like the cliche of the kid sitting at the piano working on the scales while he watches his buds play ball outside in the sun. Everythings a choice and a trade, and both sides have aspects that suck. You hear people say they'd give their right arm or their left (whatever) to play guitar like a Robbie Robertson. Well, he did give up something of equivalent value somewhere, or he never would have been able to play like he did.

On another note, I'm with the group that don't buy that point of view that the Band's work was politically conservative. My feeling is they were sophisticated enough to produce music that wasn't tied to the moment. There are a lot of 60's tunes that became outdated faster than elephant bellbottoms. No one listens to the Weight and automatically thinks of Kent State or the '68 Democratic Convention. And that's a good thing, or we wouldn't listen to it, except on ten year anniversary cycles.

Tue Jan 5 00:41:48 MET 1999

Ragtime

P.S. the numbers don't refer to a particular order.

#6: correction: just to PLEASE Donald Joseph

Tue Jan 5 00:29:43 MET 1999

Ragtime

Ellarbee:

my top Nineties Band tunes include no Richard. Not only because he didn't reach the 90's *), sad as it is, but I don't think any of these easy-listening tunes (Country Boy nor She Knows **) does justice to his incredibly expressive & powerful voice. I'd pick out for a Best of the "Nineties" Band album:

1. Blind Willie McTell

2. Book Faded Brown

3. Atlantic City

4. Don't Wait

5. Shine A Light

6. Amazon (just to tease Donald Joseph)

7. High Cotton

8. You See Me

9. Bound By Love

10. Remedy 11. Young Blood

So this is Jericho 5, HOTH 1 & Jubilation 5. This rating represents how I feel about these three albums. This line up would make an album as good as any of the early ones.

*) nor did Robbie as a Band member

**) besides: I don't think there was anything added to She Knows in later years. Country Boy was arranged later.

Tue Jan 5 00:05:12 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Diamond Lil: I'd be delighted to look at WHISPERING PINES next. It may be a few weeks though. This part of Southern England is pine woods. We have Martime pines, Monterrey pines and Scots pines around us. I'm used to the sound too. Last night, as the storms hit, it was a case of howling pines. But i love them when they're whispering.

Mon Jan 4 23:57:03 MET 1999

Ellarbee

Having trouble posting today. Not sure my post message arrived. If so, it's probably punctuation-deficient. If not, I'll revise and try again tomorrow. Thanks, Jan.

Mon Jan 4 23:51:32 MET 1999

Ellarbee

I wasn't walking "along the sea", but I did meet a "older man, and he said to me" that he'd only recently been exposed any new music from The Band, having heard "Book Faded Brown" on the radio. It continues to surprise me that a number of visitors to Jan's site have no previous exposure to The Band or are not familiar with the boys' activities in the 1990's. Which brings me to this question: if one were to use the two Pyramid and one River North albums from the 90's to create one CD showcasing the boys' efforts in recent years, what would the lineup of songs be? I'd suggest the following, in the following order:

1. Atlantic City
2. Book Faded Brown
3. Country Boy (just can't leave Richard out!)
4. Bound by Love
5. Remedy
6. Caves of Jericho
7. You See Me
8. She Knows (same comment as above)
9. Blind Willie McTell
10. Don't Wait
11. French Girls

Mon Jan 4 23:49:37 MET 1999

Jerry C

add to Levon tape:

Goin to Main St.-Levon & Muddy Waters Tribute Band

Deuce & a Quarter - Keith Richards & The Band with DJ Fontana & Scotty Moore

Get out Your Big Roll Daddy - Levon 1982

Mon Jan 4 23:15:03 MET 1999

Bones

Has anybody purchased Mississippi:River of Song? Levon plays on it with James Cotton, but I have not heard any reviews of the recently released 2 CD set.

Mon Jan 4 23:09:51 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

PETER VINEY:

Very much enjoyed your article on Daniel, as I do all your articles. Was wondering if you could be persuaded to do a piece on Whispering Pines? The tune has always intrigued me, and I'd be interested to hear your remarks about it. I once asked Richard about the song, and he looked at me with those Richard eyes and told me to listen and I'd hear it. Now, every time I walk through the woods behind my house and hear the pines whispering, I think of Richard. Thanks in advance for the article if you can find time to do it.

Enjoy Florida btw...nice time of year to visit there. Going myself in February.

Mon Jan 4 22:00:32 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Thanks for the kind comments on the Daniel article. I won't be replying for a week or so as we are escaping the British mild but wet winter to the USA. You can't get further south than Florida. I see the weather's bad there today too. Wish I could get across to New Orleans but I think my presence is required at the Tower of Terror.

Mon Jan 4 21:57:01 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

One question for Peter Viney regarding Daniel; is the final gonna be open book? Seriously, a very impressive job and the song is Mrs. Fishstick's favorite. All kidding aside, we are lucky to have you here.

Mon Jan 4 21:06:41 MET 1999

A.C.

I quit reading Scott Tribble's article when he said that Robertson wrote "We Can Talk". This is one of Richard's tunes.

Mon Jan 4 20:37:17 MET 1999

David Powell

Peter Viney: Another fine analysis on Daniel. In that song I think Robertson wove together Judeo/Christian religious allusions, the legend of the holy Grail and the modern legend of the musician who sells his soul in order to attain an expertise in instrumental ability. Is Daniel's sin the way in which he obtained the harp, or the way in which he used it?

It is interesting to note that two early proponents of rock, Little Richard & Jerry Lee Lewis, are known for using their "God-given" instrumental talents to play so-called "Devil's music." Both left the rock music world for a while to return to less secular pursuits, as the Reverend Al Green woud later do. And then there's the sad story of Peter Green, et al. Ironically, Mr. Green recently returned from exile with a new album of Robert Johnson songs. How about that for bringing things back around full cycle?

Mon Jan 4 17:50:25 MET 1999

Ragtime

Ol'Dexy: I couldn't agree more. "Rebellion" had become conformistic in the late 60s.

Peter: great article on Daniel! How do you do it? Are you working day & night?

Mon Jan 4 15:39:34 MET 1999

Ol' Dexy

RE: early Band's "social conservative" image. In my view, and I think it's shared by many others, the whole point of the "next of kin" shot, the Matthew Bradyish Landy shots, the old timey dark suits and hats, was that these guys were TRUE rebels. Everyone their age -- espcially those in rock'n'roll -- was rebelling by looking the same, acting the same, dressing the same. These guys were out to buck the system -- everybody's system. That's why they used such a wide array of instruments that few others considered at the time (of course it helped that they were musical masters), sang and wrote sympathetic tunes about the South, and were damn happy to appear alongside their folks and kin. To them, appearing in psychadelic (sp?) garb, spouting off about current political affairs and openly deriding the older generation would have been giving in to what was popular at the time. I don't see any of it as a political statement, I see it as the unified voice of a group of true individuals. Five guys who stood alone, and for a while, together. AND, I love This Band too. By the way, END OF THE LINE was pretty good. Levon has some really funny stuff -- and, as he has often done, proved once again that he really can act. RE: Cousin Brucie in N.O.: the best news there was that Levon sang!

Mon Jan 4 15:14:19 MET 1999

James Ferris

Got the Dylan Live '66. Why isn't Levon playing the drums? Anybody know?

Mon Jan 4 15:10:41 MET 1999

Piney Boy

My favorite Levon vocals are:

Gimme A Stone - Largo
When he sings about having to put his son in the ground, it tears your heart out.

Don't Wait - Jubilation

You Got Me - RCO All-Stars

The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - The Band
You really believe he's standing in the middle of a Civil War battlefield and has just finished burying his brother.

Jemima Surrender - The Band
In the tradition of a Jelly Roll Morton, having fun at the whorehouse, number.

There are lots more, but this is off the top of my head.

Mon Jan 4 12:44:38 MET 1999

Tanja Flåan

I have to meet them!!!! Well.....I cant meet Richard Manuel...poor, poor man... THE BAND RULES!!Thats my meaning about them. their all over 40 years older than me but they are so cool!!!!!!!!

My favourite songs are: The Weight When You Awake Whispering Pines King Harvest (well all songs in The Band...) Where Do We Go From Here Life Is A Carnival The Rumor And plenty more of them I got so many favourites... I LOVE THE BAND !

Mon Jan 4 10:19:20 MET 1999

Uncle Hangover

Here's another one about the opening of Levon's New Orleans club, from the newsgroup alt.music.the-band:
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Mon, 04 Jan 1999 02:59:07
alt.music.the-band
Re: Levon's Opening
From: cbrucie@ix.netcom.com Bruce R. Aydelotte at Fine Art Photographer

Hi everyone.......just got home from the Big Easy ... spent several days with Levon and The Band over New Year's ... it was out of sight ... Levon sang Ophelia among other songs and sounded really good ... the guys all played great and the packed Cafe loved it! Levon's other group, The Crowmatix opened the show around 9 pm ... and Levon's daughter, Amy sang with them ... Lee's friend C.W. also sat in and played a borrowed Telecaster ... a great warmup ... then Levon and THE BAND took the stage around 10:15 and rocked in the New Year ... a memorable evening with many of the club's members in attendance ... Heinz and Chloe even flew in from Germany ... I wish you all could have been there when "the BAND started playing". Happy New Year to all ... Cousin Brucie
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Mon Jan 4 09:37:54 MET 1999

Ragtime

Scott Tribble: the website on the sacred harp shape-note tradition is highly informative. Still I hear no shape-note singing in Daniel & The SH. Maybe a metaphore for handing over traditions to a Chosen Few in general?

Rod Prowse: a Levon album should include All La Glory and Don't Wait as key songs. AND Washer Woman because it's irrestistably charming.

Mon Jan 4 06:07:48 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

Lopez, et al.: You have me half-convinced that you're right and Tribble's thesis is overblown. (I do flip-flop a lot, don't I? Maybe I'll resolve for the new year to start thinking before I post. That'd be a change!) I never considered the Band's music as POLITICALLY conservative (once I was able to distinguish the songwriter from the narrator in "King Harvest"). I agree the "Next of Kin" posturing and the old fashioned clothes show the boys as SOCIALLY conservative for their time -- the don't-trust-anyone- over-30 '60's. Tribble might argue even the kin/clothes stuff was an act to further the image of conservatism -- but note this argument addresses only social, not political, conservatism. I don't think Tribble came up with any (or enough) evidence that the Band was ever marketed as POLITICALLY (as opposed to socially) conservative/pro-Nixon. I liked Tribble's points about the muzzle put on Ronnie Hawkins, but this too goes to SOCIAL, not POLITICAL, conservatism. By '76, Tribble conveniently omits, the boys actually released a single for the Carter campaign -- how can Tribble square this with his thesis (other than by dismissing it as occuring after they had come back down from the mountain)? Note that Carter is the embodiment of social conservatism without political conservatism.

Another weakness in Tribble's thesis is that while Nixon won in '68, Tribble assumes without demonstrating that Capitol believed political conservatism was a smart sales strategy for a rock band associated with Dylan in the late '60's. While there were a lot of Nixon voters in the late '60's, these were not the target demographic for marketing a rock album, much less one associated with Zimmie's camp. Positioning the Band as Nixon lovers would more likely hurt sales than help, especially given the polarization of the times.

If Tribble is a bit right, and if someone back then was consciously selling the boys as more socially conservative than they really were, I agree with whoever said that if there was a puppetmaster pulling the strings it was more likely Grossman than the suits at Capitol. Remember that the "Next of Kin" photo and the clothes were already intact on the day Big Pink was released: You can't credit the Big Pink l.p. cover to a Capitol suit!

Tribble: Your writing style gets a lot more lucid when you post than when you write for the record -- why don't you pretend you're posting when penning your screed? Or are you afraid clarity would hurt your grade? I admit if you're writing about rock'n'roll you need to pepper in more pomposity to be taken seriously, but you need to emulate the elan of a Griel Marcus -- not recycle academic cliches. Tribble, this Guestbook has a "search" feature. I bet if you checked you'd see that until your article no one in Guestbook history had used the word (?) "counter-hegemonic." There's a reason for that. It's called "communication."

Tribble, anyone reading your post would believe your article is meant in large part to rebut Levon's claim of having a heavy hand in authoring the songs. I disagree that your article addresses this topic more than in passing -- your article just assumes RR wrote 'em, which of course is a fair assumption for purposes of your article. Rebutting Levon would require another article entirely, because the one you wrote just Don't Do It.

Serge: Forgive me for addressing Tribble here rather than in e-mail. As another who loves seeing his name in cyber-print, I am quite confident Tribble will be logging on & will see this here.

And Serge, your claim that I and a few others are "hogging" (your word) the Guestbook has me scratching my head: The archives show some months, albeit a ways back, you were a number one poster-boy.

And Serge, if all the frequent contributors went mute, who'd want to read the "HEYYY GREAT WEB-SIGHT!!!!!!!" crap that'd be left? If ANYONE out there has a comment he/she considers of interest, surely Jan and all the regular clubbers are the FIRST to encourage posting. Witness the warm welcomes and enouragement offered in the last couple of months to Lopez, Landau, and that woman of mystery who knows where all the bodies are buried.

Put another way: The incestuous circle welcomes new blood -- but you don't get it by putting down who's already contributing to the gene-pool.

Mon Jan 4 00:02:12 MET 1999

John Donabie

Lil

Love your picks!!!

Sun Jan 3 23:45:37 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

Favorite Levon Tracks? Ok - I'll Play.

All la glory

Violet Eyes

Back to Memphis

Atlantic City

Blue House of broken Hearts

Hurricane

Summertime Blues

When I paint my Masterpiece

Amazing Grace

Don't Wait

These are in no particular order btw. Love em all.

Sun Jan 3 22:44:40 MET 1999

John Donabie

MY FAVORITE SOLO LEVON TRACKS:

One More Shot Jesse James

Willie & The Hand Jive Levon Helm (Capitol Album)

China Girl American Son

Violet Eyes American Son

Blue House of Broken Hearts American Son

Sweet Johanna Levon Helm

Washer Woman R.C.O. All-Stars

Blue Moon Of KY. Coal Miner's Daughter

Amazing Grace Coal Miner's Daughter

Honorable Mention to Emmylou Harris for Wish You Were Back In Missouri from Jess James.

Sun Jan 3 20:03:00 MET 1999

Rod

If I was going to choose a track of Jesse James I would go for High Walls which features some nice mandolin by Albert Lee. Peter, you're right, it would have to iclude some obscurities plus the manditory unreleased track.

Sun Jan 3 17:25:03 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Best of Levon: I think Rod was excluding Band songs. I'll add:

One More Shot - Jesse James

Violet Eyes- American Son

Lean On Me - Staying Together

Gimmee A Stone - Largo

You'd have to add obscurities to make the obsessives like me buy it. That means:

Blue Moon of Kentucky (Coalminer's Daughter)

Working in A Coal Mine (B-side of the above)

Summertime Blues (Dutch versions of the 82 album, I think)

BTW, I was completely wrong. Levon does mention Neil young's nostril rock specifically. Thanks for the info in private e-mails. Not an urban legend after all.

Sun Jan 3 15:56:47 MET 1999

Serge

"One of the lowly....". I know who you are. I'll try to be INFORMATIVE for you: The word "entry" in the plural form is "ENTRIES".

Sun Jan 3 14:19:18 MET 1999

J. Croce

Rod

IMHO Best of Levon Helm gotta include Atlantic City & All La Glory. Finale gotta be Dont Wait.

Sun Jan 3 13:10:11 MET 1999

Ragtime

I just read my own latest entry... Oh my god... "I said before & keep saying" ... "Foucault & Derrida" ... I'm a snob and I dig it ...

Now remember with shame what Diamond Lil once said: "Why don't you guys just listen to the music?"

Rod from NZ: you forget - unintentionally of course - the nr. 1 "Sing, Sing, Sing [Let's Make A Better World]" & the no. 2 "Hurricane".

Scott Tribble: fair enough.

Sun Jan 3 11:35:19 MET 1999

John Donabie

Well it's 5:45 in the morning and I've been trying to get off my street to do my radio show, in this blizzard that has dropped atout 2 feet of snow. Just got back in. Put on the coffee and the Brown album is playing in the background. Worst storm I can remember. And now back to music.

Sun Jan 3 09:49:25 MET 1999

Rod

A track listing for an album that may never be released: The Best of Levon Helm.

1. Washer Woman.
2. The Tie That Binds
3. Milk COw Boogie
4. Driving at Night
5. Play Something Sweet
6. Sweet Johanna
7. Watermelon Time in Georgia
8. Dance Me Down Easy
9. You Can't Win Em All
10.Even A Fool Would Let Go
11.The Got Song.

A bloody good album by anyones standards.

Sun Jan 3 05:47:02 MET 1999

Scott Tribble

Hi Peter-

Thanks for the extensive comments--I'd really like to talk more about them at some point soon.

In regard to your question on the shape-note tradition, check out the site: fasola.org. I can also put you in contact with an expert on the tradition for whom I have played the song, if you'd like.

Sun Jan 3 05:38:19 MET 1999

Scott Tribble

Hello everybody-

I've read a few of the posts on my article from the past few days, and I appreciate the intelligent criticisms that many of you have made. I find them much more informative than diatribes against my place of undergraduate education.

I wanted to clarify a few things about my intent in writing the article. I am not some clueless intellectual who heard 'Dixie' once and decided to write about The Band. As Serge noted on my behalf, I am a fan who has been encouraging Internet dialogue on the group for more than 3 years, most specifically through creating alt.music.the-band, but, more importantly, I am one who has been listening to the extensive conversations about the group.

I hoped my article would spark debate and offer an opportunity to look at the Band's career in a different light from, say, Hoskyns. Yes, I made errors, in some cases, quite gross, as in "We Can Talk," but I am after all human. And I asked Jan to put it on the site so I could hear other opinions and ultimately correct its flaws. I hope to publish the article in journal format at some point, and your criticisms are extremely helpful to me. I would like to discuss matters such as whether or not too many people blindly believe everything that Levon Helm says, while blaming Robertson solely for preventing an amazing group from making records for thirty years, instead of ten. I contemplated Helm's perspective on those songs a lot, and I agree with Hoskyns that Helm's words on songwriting contributions don't entirely gibe with his post-1976 output. After much thought, I concluded that Robbie, while no angel, did deserve a better legacy than the one he has been given, and thus my article stands as such. These are the conclusions I very much would like to hear your thoughts on.

Again, I appreciate the criticisms, as they are very helpful, and I would like to discuss the matter more with you all. For the .01% of you who want to complain about where I went to college, I suggest that can be discussed in another forum, but not in one whose primary concern is the music of The Band. Again, thanks all. Scott

Sun Jan 3 03:24:34 MET 1999

Wolf

Landau, I cannot spot anyone "name calling" Mr Joseph on this forum.. Please tell us where you saw that. Joseph is the critic.

Lopez, what was that all about???

Sun Jan 3 02:27:01 MET 1999

Charlie Young

Speaking of Jesse Winchester and Fred Neil: does anyone know if Jesse stills lives in Canada or if Fred still lives (period)?

Sun Jan 3 00:25:39 MET 1999

Ragtime

Danny Lopez: How does it feel to be able to make paragraphs?

I said before & keep saying that all the conservative images in The Band's early albums are not political 'statements', but are treated with a certain mild irony. By the songwriter(s) themselves, not by Capitol or Albert Grossman who could only influence the way they looked, not their music.

Which means that I second your opinion. Foucault & Derrida won't sail no more...

Sun Jan 3 00:13:10 MET 1999

Ragtime

Danny Lopez:

Look at this

This is a paragraph

How did I do it?

I pressed arrow to the left, than p, than arrow to the right

Just like this

Try it.

BTW Peter told me this.

Sat Jan 2 23:39:18 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Neil's nose and other urban legends: As I think more about this, other rock urban legends come to mind. Someone once investigated the most famous one. Mick Jagger, Marianne Faithful and the Mars bar. If you don't know it, I won't explain. The conclusion was that this was a complete fabrication, emanating from the local police. As was pointed out, neither of the parties were worried by the notoriety. In fact they thrived on it. But they maintained it was untrue. This must be borne in mind in the case of all such legends.

Sat Jan 2 22:51:23 MET 1999

Stanley Landau

Donald Joseph: Your posts are great. Pay no attention to those who have nothing but name calling and criticism to offer. For me an error such as crediting Robbie with authorship of We Can Talk taints the whole article. Great line to the painter as well.

Sat Jan 2 22:44:20 MET 1999

Danny Lopez

Scott Tribble's article is the very same postmodern discourse I rallied against a few weeks back. Tribble has mastered all the key concepts (hegemony, counter-hegemony, identity-authenticity, etc.)and writes an interesting essay. However, the poverty of postmodernism is that it (1) erroneously politicizes everything (e.g. the music of the Band); (2) assumes as true something that needs to be proven, or at least argued for (e.g., Tribble's assertion that there is a "dominant historical narrative" in America); and (3) always tries to locate heroes (marginalized groups, Jawbone-type deviants) and villians (the "Euro-American" drive for normalcy). Just read Michel Foucault or Jacques Derrida, or anyone of their epigones, and you'll see what I mean. ////////paragraph -- still can't make'em //////// In opposition to Tribble's argument, I pose the following two points: (a) the Band were not about politics (whether Right or Left) as much as they were about Life, the individual, tradition, and Americana. It's precisely the apolitical manner in which the Band (and the post-folk Dylan) address such themes that I find so intriguing. (b) All bands and record labels develop images. But to say Robbie was writing counter-hegemonic songs and all the conservative images promoted at the time of the first two albums were a grand ploy by Capitol with the boys in Cahoots is to go too far, way too far. Anyone who makes such a claim must reckon it with Levon's statements on both the Authorized Biography and the Classic Albums videos that the Band loved their extended families, that they didn't dress funny but everybody else did in the '60s, and that counterculture ideas were pretty crazy.

Sat Jan 2 21:39:10 MET 1999

Freddy Fishstick

Have previously advised Headbands in relief of cabin fever/winter blues to purchase Jerry Jeff Walker's latest "Cowboy Boots & Bathin Suits". Includes Fred Neil Medley. Interesting link to The Band there discovered with help of Diamond Lil, liner notes to DFA's "Ridin on the Blind" @Baby I'm Lonesome indicate Rick & Eric Andersen hung out with Fred Neil in Woodstock in early 70's.

While I'm here like to remind the many Jesse Winchester fans here of three fine covers of his work by Jimmy Buffett. See Biloxi on "Changes in Latitudes/Changes in Attitudes"; Defying Gravity on "Havana Daydreamin" and L'Air de la Louisiane on "Hot Water".

Sat Jan 2 18:03:31 MET 1999

Peter Viney

t’s very hard to write a sustained piece, and somewhat easier to criticize. I enjoyed Scott’s article (we British are faster to use first names, I find, in spite of images to the contrary). I’d agree that there are some minor errors, but there always are. The average book has between thirty and fifty errors, (some of which are only visible to a professional editor). Serge has pointed out that the article asked for comments to be directed by e-mail. I agree. As Ragtime adds, direct any detail criticisms to the author, and discuss the general ideas here. This is what people tend to do with mine.

Scott Tribble’s article is partly about the deliberate creation of a conservative image for The Band, andthis is food for more discussion here. I’ll start it off. Scott suggests that Capitol Records created an image, but given the image-work on Dylan, Albert Grossman sounds a more likely initiator. I’d agree that there was an element of myth-making at work. But myths are easier to establish when there is an underlying element of truth. Do you think the image was a myth?

I enjoyed the other parts of Donald’s contributions, with the question about the titanic iceberg on the end of Neil Young’s nose. Like a famous American, he hadn’t inhaled. I usually fast-forward on Neil’s section - I like “Helpless” but my wife finds Neil Young’s voice akin to the sound of fingernails scraping down a blackboard. I looked in Levon’s book, and I didn’t expect him to mention it. He doesn’t. It’s all very well being honest about one’s own indiscretions, which he is, but I wouldn’t expect him to comment on someone else’s. It’s a well-circulated story. In a recent “Uncut” magazine on “Hollywood Excess” it’s all they had to say about TLW in the Scorsese entry. Rather a pathetic way to sum up the film. Is it just an urban legend? “Bill Graham Presents” has as much or more on TLW as Helm or Hoskyns, and Bill Graham describes the preparation of a special white room backstage with plaster noses and a tape loop of sniffing sounds. So I don’t imagine that Neil had to sneak out of everyone’s sight if the story is true.

On working out which Band members wanted which guests, Levon & Rick had both played on Young’s albums, and had played with him at the much bootlegged 1975 SNACK benefit.

Sat Jan 2 17:08:02 MET 1999

One of the Lowly Masses

Oh Serge, YOUR entry's, on the other hand, are always SO informative. Your latest one, for example, gave us ALL SO MUCH to think about! Thank you great guestbook GOD! It's your approval we all seek, please sanctify this entry, AMEN!

Sat Jan 2 17:03:29 MET 1999

Ragtime

Why not discuss mr. Tribble's article in this Guestbook AND e-mail our corrections directly?

The point is - I second mr. Joseph - that mr. Tribble's obvious errors (about We Can Talk & Carny &-so-on) should not divert our attention from his valid thesis about the original masterplan behind The Band's conservative image in the late 60s. A remarkable & interesting topic.

We can talk about it now. I happen to think this was one of the things the Guestbook was made for.

Mr. Tribble refers to 'Robertson' as the exclusive songwriter. What if Levon Helm is right about the songwriting on the early albums being the result of a group effort? What does this tell us about Robertson's main themes?

Sat Jan 2 15:42:33 MET 1999

Serge Daniloff

Donald Joseph ( don't you have a surname ?) Did you read the intro. paragraph to Tribble's article ? It says : Please send comments or criticism to Scott_Tribble@...etc..I think that you only want to see yourself talk in this guestbook. Why did you not write him if you're so offended ? Tribble's been plugging for the Band ON THE WEB since 95, probably before you acquired a computer or knew what WWW meant..I have no problem understanding his "english". He just doesn't pollute this site with boring daily diatribes like you and 4 or 5 others do, hogging this Guestbook.

Sat Jan 2 15:35:35 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

"YOU GO DONALD". THE DAZE THAT REMAIN AIN'T WORTH A DIME!!!

Sat Jan 2 15:29:07 MET 1999

Diamond Lil

Just had a conversation with a good friend while listening to Rick moan his way through one of our favorites, "Twilight". My friend suggested that he'd probably make that same sound if he hit his thumb with a hammer. Made me think about TLW, and Garth's line about hitting your thumb with a hammer. I wonder if that's how it all started? Ol'Rick hit his thumb, let out this incredible "whoaaaaaooooohhhhhhh" and said to himself "Hmmm...I can use this". Just a thought.

Sat Jan 2 10:26:18 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

Just read the long Scott Tribble article. I laughed my way through the 1st half of it -- this guy will never give Viney a run for his money on song analysis/deconstruction. All his points are Band cliches, and he gets so much wrong! The "We Can Talk" boner is the grossest, and Tribble infects his whole piece by crediting Robbie with that song in just about every paragraph. (In fact, the whole article only mentions and re-mentions a grand total of about 5 tunes.) And to say Robbie wrote the 1st 2 albums in 3rd person (as Tribble says) -- huh? The whole Brown album (maybe there is a single exception) is in 1st person -- does Tribble even know what 3rd person means? ("I beg you, dear Molly"; "I work for the union", "Virgil Cain is my name"; "with my very best friend, they call him Ragtime Willie"; "she sends me, if I spring a leak": "we could be relaxin' in my sleeping bag.") And Tribble flat-out says Robbie advocated labor unions in "King Harvest": Recent guestbook entries, mine included, make the better argument that the narrator is pro-union, but the listener knows signing his local's card isn't going to turn his life around!

Also I question Tribble's use of the politically-correct phrase "Native American" -- Robbie is Canadian, for God's sake. While Canada is in North America, so is Mexico, and I doubt Tribble would refer to Chiapas Mexicans as "Native Americans."

So half-way into the piece I was writing Tribble off as a fraud. But then he gets to his main thesis: That Robbie was always anti-establishment (English for "counter-hegemonic") -- yet Capitol marketing billed The Band as a pro-Nixon outfit and the boys played along for monetary reasons until Robbie launched his solo career in '86. (Sounds like "Dan'l & the Sacred Harp" in real life!) Intriguing thesis -- one that is NOT a Band cliche -- and damned if Tribble doesn't convince me he's right!

But Scottie boy, I hope that pompous, stilted, politically-correct, barely-readable language of yours doesn't fly with your Hahvahd profs. If it does, that place doesn't deserve its rep.! (At the Univ. of Chicago they made us speak in English.)

Sat Jan 2 10:05:40 MET 1999

Ragtime

Watching TLW & hearing the 2nd verse of "We Shall Be Released" makes you wonder where that unbalanced low voice is coming from. Maybe Richard himself was unhappy with how he sounded. Overwhelmed by the event probably. You can hear Rick helping him with the last line. It's an emotional moment. Possibly Scorsese didn't include his face on Beak's own request. But a good film director should not miss such a moment.

Sat Jan 2 09:09:09 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

Re all that talk of the filmed version of "I Shall Be Released" and Richard's lack of a shot: Remember, Marty -- for all his carefully worked- out- in- advance camera moves -- didn't seem ever to get a good shot of Beak at the piano. The few shots there are are almost from behind. (Marty, though, did shoot Dr. John well, and the Doctor used Beak's piano, as I recall).

As to the filming of the ensemble "I Shall Be Released," I confess I never focused on the lack of a Beak shot, because regarding the filming of that song, I always focus on: (1) trying to find Bobby Charles, although I think he's hidden at a mike with Clapton/ Butters/ Diamond, and you only see his back; (2) wondering how Hawkins, one of the least known of all those on stage, had the cojones to sit down with a drink right in center stage and not even pretend to sing at a mike; (3) Neil Diamond looking like the dork he is, out of his league with all that real talent all around him, dreaming of a future in which he can cover a tune from a film about a sinking boat; and (4) watching the stoned Neil Young keep pinching Joni Mitchell's ass -- and seeing Joni keep swatting Neil's hand away.

On the topic of Neil's stoned presence at the show, is there a consensus on the air-brush issue (I'm sure this has previously been discussed and disgusted). In the 70's I heard Neil had snot on his nose, no one had the balls to tell him to wipe, so Marty had it air brushed out frame- by- frame during all of "Helpless." Ever since, of course, I've heard it was a big hunk of nose candy stuck in his nostril-hairs, which was air-brushed out frame- by- frame. Forgive the laziness, but rather than look this up in Hoskyns & Helm, I'll just ask you guys if they speak to it -- I don't remember that they do.

Do we have a definitive answer? Given the, er, delicate nature of the topic, what is our source of info -- is this just legend? And assuming as you all do that it was coke, why was Neil not told to wipe it off? -- I might be loathe to tell Mr. Young to blow his nose for snot, but surely anyone would've given him a "heads-up" as to China White. And who was back there doing the coke with him?

As to Joni: Was her butt bruised? Had those two been romantically linked -- was Neil just trying to get lucky that night, or was he rekindling an old flame?

Sat Jan 2 06:54:23 MET 1999

tim

The Neil Diamond segment in TLW was truly one of Scorcese's more brilliant concepts. I've never seen TLW that I wasn't thoroughly pissed, and when Neil Diamond comes on is about the right time to relieve oneself. It is perfect. By the time you get back to your seat the cut is just about over and you haven't missed anything.

Sat Jan 2 06:51:45 MET 1999

The Mandrew

This is an EXCELLENT site. And it is nice to see someone taking an interest in Canadian rock. The BEST music EVER!!

Fri Jan 1 23:11:42 MET 1999

Ol' Dexy

Hey, Bill from Pittsburgh: Many thanks for the news from New Orleans. Sounds like a good time. I hope they are getting the kinks out so they can take the show on the road. I hope others who make it to New Orleans this month are nice enough to post their reviews. Sounds like a hugh set-up: Levon, Rick, Garth, Jim, Randy, Richard plus Arron, Bones, alternate bassist and female singers. I doubt they could take that whole show on the road, but whatever they can put together would sound good to me.

Fri Jan 1 23:08:34 MET 1999

Mike

I've got tickets to see Rick at the Tin Angel in Philadelphia 1/15.Anyone else going? My wife is coming with me and she is not the biggest Band fan. Her first experience with them was 4 or 5 years ago at the Electric Factory.The boys played a great show 'til they tried to play "Cripple Creek" and "Life is a Carnival" at the same time! Rick sort of stormed off after the next tune and "Genetic Method" ended the show.We left out the side door and as we passed the band bus Rick was up near the front windshield wearing not a whole lot.He was a pretty big guy by then and my wife brings that night up whenever I talk about the Band.Anyway,I'm excited to hear one the the great voices in American music again- and I hope the whole band will tour here soon.Great to have a place to share my appreciation of the music and the men who make it.

Fri Jan 1 21:13:12 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Esoteric question: Hoskyns quotes Robbie on "Sacred Harp shape-note singing". I know what a shape-note is, but what is a Sacred Harp shape-note? And no prizes for guessing what song I'm looking at next. Any comments?

Fri Jan 1 21:04:25 MET 1999

Bill

A few comments on the new years eve show. I'm still trying to make up my mind about it. First of all, if you are going to Levon's club, be sure to get there early even if you have "reserved" or "premium" seats. I got there during the opening act, a decent blues/R&B band whose name I didn't catch, and we were seated way back in the balcony with no sight line to the stage. Eventually we got better seats and could see. The staff is trying as hard as they can but it is clear the place has only been open a few days and needs some time to get organized. Although I'd been expecting some "name" guests, there were none, or none I recognized. No names were announced except by the MC and I didn't catch them. THe current 6-piece lineup was augmented by a 3 man horn section (I assume including Bones Malone but i don't know what he looks like) who played some very tasty charts, two female singers (was one of them Amy Helm? Again, I couldnt tell you), a tall thin guy who traded off with Rick on bass and acoustic rhythm (John Thompson?) and a third keyboardist (Adrian Hurwitz?). My biggest surprise was the fact the Levon hardly sang at all. Maybe others had been aware that he was having voice problems but I had not heard. Randy sang most of his parts and sang them well. Levon drummed all night, played no mandolin and only got the harp out on two encores. Despite the billing as the Jubilation Celebration there were only two songs played from that CD, both encores: Book Faded Brown (Rick just singing with no bass or guitar, prowling the stage with a mike} and Big White Cadillac. All the classics sounded great, especially Life is a Carnival with the horns. At midnight they ended Jimmy Wieder's blues instrumental (title? I've heard him do it before} and went into Auld Lang Syne, then Hand Jive (not Chest Fever) with one of the women singing lead. Chest Fever came later. All night Garth had mix problems and was often inaudible until the end of a solo. Rick split after the first encore and Randy took over the vocals. Levon was off stage for several of the encores, too, which included Hey Pocky Way. Richard Bell, Jim Weider and Randy plus the additional players were real pros. The three founders had moments of brilliance but other times when they seemed to be struggling a bit. Overall a good show but not the second coming of the Last Waltz, which I should have known better to expect. They're at the club off and on for the rest of the month and may be getting the bugs out of the sound system, etc. by tonight. Happy new year.

Fri Jan 1 18:40:32 MET 1999

Jonathan Katz

The only thing I can find from the Big Easy: http://www.nola.com/sounds/news/newclubs.html

Fri Jan 1 18:17:42 MET 1999

Pat Brennan

In regards to a number of things...The Beatles concept of PA amplification for their Sheas Stadium gig is an interesting case in point. They lined up what looks like a hundred Vox Grenadier PA columns-4 ten inch speakers in each--and created an arc around the entire stadium. Of course, even with no one screaming, it would have sounded poor. The first big concerts I saw were at the hallowed Kinetic Playground in Chicago. There, they had a House PA--an Altec Voice of the Theater system--that divided the signal into high and low frequecies and used horns to amplify the high end and speakers to amplify the low end. Obviously, a more defined sound. I'd love to see what he Dylan/Hawks tour used. Speaking of pianos, I once helped Richard with a live gig where they simply had no piano. I used a Roland midi piano keyboard with an Oberheim synth. Richard still made it sound good although there was nothing like him at a nice piano singing. Even today it is still difficult to mic a piano onstage. Some people use the shell of a piano for looks and rely on midi keyboards and samplers to recreate the sound.

Fri Jan 1 14:21:16 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Continued:

A further note. In the 65/66 Dylan tour recordings, the piano often seems under-represented. Piano was notoriously difficult to amplify, and as a microphone was used it had to be fed into the PA and balanced against the vocals. In the hall, you would have heard the sound from the piano directly as well as amplified. I imagine that the electric piano was invented, not so much because people sought that sound, but because any but the largest and most prestigeous venues could not be trusted to provide a decent piano in full-working order, and that you need a furniture truck and a competent tuner to move a piano around. Artists of the 50s have recalled in their memoirs the dire state of some pianos. Where I worked, they had two identical Steinways, but one was only to be used by classical pianists, the other by everybody else.

Fri Jan 1 14:17:05 MET 1999

Ragtime

Uncle H.: finally! Thanks a lot.

Peter: thanks for clarifying the abbrevation PA. Still wondering if I'm right about Strawberry Wine & All La Glory. I suspect Robertson & Rundgren used the same mike-in-a-bass-drum technique.

Donald: I tried to figure out the _pointe_ to your little anecdote. Didn't succeed.

Fri Jan 1 14:15:22 MET 1999

Texas Ben

Man was I drunk last nite. Cheap wine. Head hurt this morning bad. Went over to the mini mart. Frozen food section. What did I see? My eyes deceivin me? Next to Cherry Garcia & Chubby Hubby was "Cripple Creek". Man that was goood! Betta than Strawberry Wine. Rang My Bell. Gonna yodel all day. Happy 99 :-)

Fri Jan 1 13:58:30 MET 1999

Peter Viney

Ragtime: PA means Public Address system. In the days before amplified instruments, the only person who required amplification was the singer. Bands used the house PA with built in speakers either side of the stage. In the UK at least, these were sometimes called Tannoys, or Tannoy Systems after the principal manufacturer. You can still find old Tannoy PA's in delapidated church halls, often they were 20 watt valve systems. They were also used in factories for announcements, and for generally addressing the public rather than for singing. When groups started using amplification, the size of house PAs as well as their low quality caused problems. In 1962 guitarists used 30 watt amps, bassists maybe 50 watts. Already a lot of house PAs were strained to achieve sufficient volume. In the UK the first 100 watt Vox amp was called "The Beatle amp" in that they needed more volume to get over the screaming and it was designed for them. I remember admiring them in the local music store. There were no tone controls as it was felt that at this volume they were unnecessary. According to accounts of the 65/66 tour, Dylan & The Hawks were remarkable for taking their own PA with them. I think this is untrue as bands certainly carried their own PAs several years earlier. Bands may however have continued to use house PAs in very large halls. When I did lights on variety shows in 66 and 67, the bands still used the house PA for vocals at the 2000 seat hall where I worked in my vacations. The PA was a band's first major joint purchase (with a van). Many argued that solo singers should fund this item, but they tended to resist, especially where other members sang too.

By the late 60s huge PA systems were developed and it then became common to feed other instruments through the central PA so that the sound could be mixed in concert. One of the best live sounds I heard was The Flying Burrito Brothers in London who used tiny Fender amps miked through a large PA system. This was at a point when most other bands used massive Marshall stacks for the guitarists. Putting it all via the PA meant that there was greater control over the overall sound.

Fri Jan 1 12:42:56 MET 1999

Uncle Hangover

Finally a word about the opening of Levon's place in New Orleans, from The Band newsgroup:

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Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:11:52 alt.music.the-band
Re: Levon's Opening
From: outlaw789@aol.com OUTLAW789 at AOL http://www.aol.com

yea I was there. It was great. James Cotton and Levon jammed on harmonicas. Some local other acts joined in. Levon can't sing yet but, he's gained 20 lbs and is lokkin alive again. Things are lookin up and The Band is comin
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Fri Jan 1 05:45:07 MET 1999

Ragtime

Postscript: Winchester MUST be a quiet & kind person. He sounds like it.

Fri Jan 1 05:38:38 MET 1999

Ragtime

Good morning America!

It's 5.50 in the Low Countries, first of january 1999. Well, can't sleep, so why not go online & look if there are some more thoughts about my new idol mr. Winchester.

His story about Robbie's 'creativity' putting a mike into a bass drum explains a lot. I always wondered how Levon's voice in "Strawberry Wine" & "All La Glory" came to sound like a 'cheap PA'. So, that's settled then. BTW Can anyone explain to an ignorant Dutchman what a PA actually is?

I always find Richard's bursting out "Last Night I've Lost The Best Friend I Ever Had" a startling moment. The song itself maybe not much, but it's still Richard. You're right, Jonathan.

Donald: why don't you paint your house Big Pink?

Fri Jan 1 02:46:46 MET 1999

Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran.

"YAHOO, I made it, I'm gonna party like it's 1999".

Fri Jan 1 01:39:46 MET 1999

John Donabie

I interviewed Jesse Winchester right after the debut album. I found him to be a very quiet and kind person. We talked about Robbie & Levon at the time; but my memories are sketchy. It is still one of my favs.

Fri Jan 1 00:48:53 MET 1999

Donald Joseph

True story:

So I'm going to work this morning, and my wife's having the house painted. She chose the shade of Chinese-restaurant red for the hallway. So on my way out the door she says to me: "Should we just paint this one wall red, or should we do the whole hallway in red?" I look around and say: "Let's just do the one wall. If we paint the whole hallway red, this place is going to look like a bordello."

I turn to the painter and explain: "This used to be the master control bed-room. Now it's the master control music room."

Fri Jan 1 00:00:07 MET 1999

Ol' Dexy

Like others, I was hoping someone would have been able to return to their computer from New Orleans to post about Levon's opening. Well, since tonight's the live premiere of JUBILATION in the same venue, let's all hope someone there remembered to bring a laptop. Sure would like to be there, but next best thing would be to get a firsthand account of the performance -- who showed (is Bell still going to play live? Aaron, Bobby Charles, Malone, Amy Helm??), and perhaps most of all how Levon looks and sounds. At the video store yesterday, stumbled across THE END OF THE LINE, which we've never seen (the Levon as a grizzled railroad guy movie). We'll watch it tonight, since we can't be at the Cafe.