The Band Guestbook, July 2002

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Peter Viney

They blew up the chicken man …Check out Episode 2 of The Sopranos where they bemoan the hijacking of basic Italian foods by corporate coffee shops, and also that the mob never thought of doing it first.

Fred - my favourite incident. I'd been in the South a few days and left Bari for Milan. They loaded me up with fruit, olive oil, bread and tomatoes because the Milanese (so they said) ate only cream and ham which was indigestible. I arrived at Milan airport and was whisked straight to a restaurant as the Milanese assumed I would be suffering severe malnutrition after my stay in the South. Personally I prefer the Southern food. But Naples is the place for pizza. Once you've eaten it there, any 'Deep Dish' variety is an abomination (Sorry, Chicago).

The Robbie one looks worth checking out- I didn't see any sign of a UK release though. He has got an awful lot of remixes on various singles.

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Bumbles

Subject: The Chicken Man

The “chicken man” reference in “Atlantic City” is from the crime section, not the bill of fare. Phil “Chicken Man” Testa, briefly the Philadelphia mob kingpin, was in fact blown up in Philly one night in 1980, by a nail bomb set off when he opened his front door, an act apparently related to a union dispute in Atlantic City.

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richie the brit

Subject: bashful bill/kristofferson

dear bill. your right,payback was a completely bonkers remake of point blank.loved it!bring me the head of alfredo garcia is a masterpiece. i tend not to regard it as a kk film because he,s only in it for 5 minutes before being blown away by the late great warren oates. on a lighter note kris starred in a low key brit romantic comedy a couple of years ago called girls night. it stars julie walters and brenda blethyn(secrets and lies) as 2 feisty brit women who win a lot of money in a bingo competition and decide to blow it all on a holiday to vegas. theres a love interest with a handsome cowboy played by you know who; its the perfect date film. its time for bed here in brit land. goodnight all. ps bill give the pledge another chance. i loved it. peace .richie

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Bashful Bill

Pat Brennan-thanx for the info. In case you haven't guessed, the Alamo is one of my obsessions, I read and collect whatever I can on the subject.And I love Alamo movies, good and bad(most of them are the latter). And Bob Wigo-u r correct, last line of dialogue in Sayles' Lone Star is "Forget The Alamo!"

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Ray Pence

Mike Nomad, Richie, others: I tried to send this e-mail yesterday but had problems...I've owned "Gate" for some time, interested in it because I'm from Wyoming, where it's set (but filmed in Montana), and for other reasons...not to be a "corrector," but some of the details in an earlier post were off...

Regarding "The Hawk" in "Heaven's Gate," he played a character named Wolcott, a sort of military advisor to the evil cattlemens' association that was bent on exterminating the immigrants whose cause was adopted by Kris Kristofferson, who played a lawman. The film is one of the most controversial and least seen movies ever. I'm a big admirer of it. The acting is inconsistent, like the film, but Hawkins does a fine job. He's very subdued and un-Hawkish! Like many of the characters he's conflicted about his actions and in the later scenes it's clear he sympathizes with the immigrants. Footnote: I recall seeing some footage of an outraged Hawkins discussing animal abuse on the set of "Heaven's Gate." This was on a TV show I've long since forgotten. There was abuse of many kinds on the "Gate" set, especially cocaine, but legend has it that a horse was "accidentally" blown up during a battle scene, and I think that's what Ronnie objected to.

T-Bone Burnett and David Mansfield, Dylan connections there, also in the movie as, you guessed, musicians...

"The Last Movie," like "Gate" and the Peckinpah films that have been mentioned here, all classics, they don't make them like that anymore, not big studios anyway...

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JQ

Does anybody know if there is any connection with the Canadian band & person Danko Jones?

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Bill

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JTull Fan

Subject: Food, sorry, I'll stop after this

Ain't no more CANE, STRAWBERRY WINE, the bottle the smash on the rock in 4% Pantomime, CORN in the fields, listen to the RICE as the wind...,

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Bill

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JTull Fan

Subject: Food references

Isn't there a line in 'Across The Great Divide' that goes 'you feed your man chicken every Sunday'?

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Monica

Subject: Internet Radio

Hi,folks... Was turned on to The Band by a friend way back in 1975 and have loved them ever since. God! are we really that old?? LOL When I'm not at home with my CD collection, I still can hear Robbie and the rest via internet radio since none of the radio stations still play their music. "

" Sadly tho,some 200 other internet radio stations are pulling the plug on their web simulcasts at a terrifying rate the closer we get to September when the congress is set to act on the royalty fee schedule set by the Librarian of Congress. These are free, not-for-profit services who are playing the artists, both old and new, the commercial Clear Channel/Sony/CBS Infinity stations won't give the time of day and giving them global exposure...literally! The conglomerates own 80% of the stations in most major markets so the majority of folks never get to experience the wonderful music of artists like The Band. "

" If you don't listen to internet broadcasts and think this doesn't effect you, it does effect the revenues of the artists we all love so your support is also needed. If this passes, the RIAA and the corporate owners of commercial radio, with approval of the government, will soon be controlling what we listen to everywhere. More top 40 in every genre played in a mind-numbing continuous loop for anyone? Webradio and small market broadcasters in every market who preserve the diversity of our great musical heritage will be the next victims of corporate greed. I do not condone piracy in any form. The artists should have their royalties, by all means. I fully support them and feel they should be making scads of money for the joy that they bring. However, the proposed rate schedule will mean that no radio station will be able to continue giving this exposure to the artists that need it the most. Radio stations are banding together to push for a more equitable schedule of rates based on station revenues from advertisers and voluntary listener donations. "

" A community of loyal listeners at KPIG have launched a website with information on what is going on and how everyone can help. "

" http://carp.freeradio.com "

" Time is running short and the voices of all are needed! "

" Thanx for listening and acting! "

" -------------------- Monica "

" http://carp.freeradio.com

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Charlie Young

Subject: Food References

Did anyone mention "Orange Juice Blues?"

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bob wigo

Are those words "Forget the Alamo" ?

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JTull Fan

Subject: If you want to discuss scary losses of freedom,

Go research the Alien and Sedition Act during John Adams' term or the Pre-World War I and World War I era laws of Woodrow Wilson. Save our IRS Tax laws for Halloween, the scariest of all.

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Bashful Bill

Richie the Brit: Billy The Kid, that is, Kris Kristofferson, was reunited with Pat Garrett, that is, James Coburn, in 99's Payback, a hilarious remake of 67's Point Blank. I recently saw, for the first time, Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia, directed by another of my favorites,the late Sam Peckinpah.Among the many regulars who often show up in Bloody Sam's movies is a young Kris playing an unsavory impotent biker would be rapist. Now to put the filmaker discussion in a whole other direction, I watched Sean Penn's The Pledge the other night. I bought a VHS version of it for $3,34 + tax, and imediately threw it in the garage sale box after watching it. I had trouble with both of Penn's previous directorial efforts as well:The Indian Runner, which has the Band's I Shall Be Released on the soundtrack, and The Crossing Guard, in which Robbie Robertson appears, but they had some redeeming qualities. This one did nothing for me.

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rollie

Dear Osama, You are an imbecile. Please tell us about your business ties to the Bush family, which have been well documented in recent months,but never fully explained by you personally.How come they found your bodyguards ,but not you? I know you have the dough! You could have hired better help!!! And Osama, you don't need my help. I don't support terrorism of any kind. Your friends at the CIA are better equipped for that sort of thing. P.S.-How is it you were able to run cave to cave attached to a dialysis machine?

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Gilberta Iman

Pat Brennan, If you want some scary night-time reading go to L.A.org and download The Patriot's Act. (L.A.is the Library Assoc.) You can't script this stuff or even dream it, but it is real, it is here, it is now. I am a wtiter currently working on a vanishing freedom tell all in conjunction with a watchdog group in Berkeley, Ca.. Interesting reading.....and there's more.

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JTull Fan

Subject: food references/Taj Mahal & John Simon

Got Taj Mahal's 'Ain't Gwhine To Whistle Dixie No Mo' playing on my laptop. It is a live version featuring John Simon on horns and features Taj yelling 'John Simon' after a great performance. On food references, Kirin beer is also mentioned during 'Move to Japan' Popcorn and Coca Cola are mentioned on Jubilation's High Cotton, 'French Girls', if not a proper food, can be highly edible, and much of the 'Hog' in 'High On the Hog' is quite edible. Speaking of drink, I had a bit to much wine saturday and discovered on Sunday I bought a 1983 VHS Band bootleg on EBAY. Don't drink and EBAY!

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Pat Brennan

I don't understand why our fearless leaders need more powers to spy on us to discover the next terrorist threat. The problem seems in actually collating and understanding the intelligence rather than gathering it.

Still waiting for that "eye of a needle" explanation.

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Bashful Bill

Sayles makes much of the $ to finance his films as a screenwriter, and sometimes, a scriptdoctor for others. I had heard that he was writing the script for a movie about The Alamo(which coincidentally I visited on July 3, then again on the 4th) for Ron Howard. I know Howard has definitely dropped out of the project, but I believe Sayles is still in, anyone know anything about it? And on the subject of The Alamo,I recommend an excellent 2000 novel titles Gates Of The Alamo, by Stephen Harrigan. With a good mix of fictional and real life characters, it tells both sides of the story of the Texas war for independence.A trivia question: can anyone quote the last line of Sayles masterpiece(most of his movies are masterpiece', IMO)Lone Star? Hint:it consists of 3 words.

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Bones

Dave : Thanks for the Robbie information about the alternate mixes. I am now much more excited about it.

For anybody who can get their hands on a copy of Aunt Pat's Patoo cd.....DO IT! The Levon duet called "Hard Inside" is one of his all-time great vocals.

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Gilberta Iman

Subject: ?@%#&*%?????

Have I missed something ????? When did this become the "Food Network" ? Gee, want some recipies from my native country ? Maybe later we can clip coupons or some other fun game. Ah-hem. Where's Garth playing ?

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David Powell

Subject: Woodstock '69

Thanks Rollie for the link on the Woodstock master tapes. I really enjoyed listening to the all too brief but great 2 minute audio clip from "Chest Fever".

Speaking of Woodstock -- this coming Saturday, Aug. 3, the TRIO cable channel will be showing "Woodstock Diary", a three part documentary series from D.A. Pennebaker and Chris Hegedus. I've never seen this but I understand some unreleased performance footage is included.

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John W.

Bill- You've got 2 food references in Move to Japan: "girls with almond eyes, eatin' seaweed and rice" and "apple pie." Then there's the "forbidden fruit" that you better not taste, kind of like the "poison peanut machine." And how about "workin' on a T-bone steak."

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Amanda

Subject: Don

Hi Don:I can make some mean chocolate-filled fried pies...good ole Arkansas recipe, you supply the rugala...my husband is a chef...he can come up with anything. Do you think that is enough to bribe Levon, Butch and the crowd to come down South Carolina/Georgia way????

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Bill

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richie

Subject: last movie/bob wigo

well done bob. kris kristofferson's film debut was the last movie.we showed the last movie in our college film soc. back in the 80's. quite a few students walked out. others,myself included,thought the movie mesmerising. do they still show it in your neck of the woods. it seems to have vanished without trace.cheers. richie.

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Osama Bin Ladin

Subject: My Man Rollie

Thanks to the great information provided by our operative Rollie, we are currently sending several sleeper groups to Missoula where they will be able to plan our next strike against the Great Satin without interference from U.S. government intelligence gathering forces. Please continue to spread the word, that any attempt at information gathering by any branch of the U.S. government, is a blatant attempt to take away the precious civil rights all Americans hold sacred. In this way we will be able to operate in their midst unimpeded and continue planning strikes to continue the devastation we started last Sept. 11. Rollie, please contact the H.Q., we have more missions for you! (-J.W.)

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Fred

Bob Wigo & Butch: I'll be sure to keep that rugala away from the other rugola (and vice-versa)

Peter V: Only too true about regional differences in italian food. This first time my father ever ate pizza in his life was when he was 28 (back in the 50s) and the boat his was on (on his way to immigrate to Canada) docked in Naples for a day (my father is from the north) so he decided to try this "pizza thing" he had heard about. Unfortunately he picked a rather unsanitary restaurant (dirt covered floors and cockroaches scurrying about) that he never ate pizza again for the rest of his life! I have relatives from the south of Italy won't eat northern Italian dishes (not tasty enough they say!) It's the same in Japan...the part where I live has a very different traditional style of cuisine compared to the rest of the country. More pork than fish. so this lumping of food under nations rather than regions/provinces/states can be deceiving and confusing.

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John Cass

Subject: Nash

I watched a great biography last night on Graham Nash on A&E. Jackson Browne was intereviewed for it and said at one show Crosby said to the crowd

"you all have heard of Music From Big Pink"

"well this is Music from Big Ego" and CSN started playin....

I thought that was pretty funny...

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butch

fred,,,et.al. ,,,,,,,,,,,

the delicacy donnie pugatch was referring to, is NOT the delicious italian greens,, that i love in a salad with olive oil , red vinegar & black pepper & lemon,,,

he was referring to the jewish ( from eastern europe )pastry made with rasberry or apricot or chocolate or cinnamon/raisins,,,rolled in rich pastry dough,, donnie brought "rugs" to our show in georgia & fed us,, well received,,,,, now i have to go to The Bakery & get some of david santner's rugelach,,,, thanks,,,,,,,

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bob wigo

Fred and Peter,

Somehow you have managed to stray out of the bakery and into the garden. The rugala of which Don speaks is a wonderfully rich baked treat. It can be filled with chocolate and nuts or various fruit fillings.

Please keep it away from your salad bowls.

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Brien Sz

Subject: Sayles

If you can find it, rent The Return of the Secaucus Seven by John Sayles. This movie was the precursor of the Big Chill.., In fact when The Big Chill came out, Sayles was advised to sue the producers for plagerism. It's the same story except the characters in "Seven" are more blue collar and their are scenes in "Chill" that are directly lifted from "Seven". Sayles also made a portion of that film out of pocket. He rented a playhouse in NYC to run it and made all his money back from that one theatre. (How much of this info is urban legend, I don't know, My college prof told us this before we viewed it in class.) I have rented it, so it's out there.

Also of note: If you get a chance to read The Gold of Exodus, do so, Sayles is suppose to be developing this as his next film.

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Peter Viney

This is completely irrelevant to music, but is at least less controversial than religion. Non-foodies scroll by.

Fred- ‘arugola’(I think there’s an ‘a’ but it's not in my Italian dictionary so I can't check) does have its own perfectly good English name, ‘rocket’. I guess it’s from French ‘roquette’ just as we say ‘courgette’ from French, while the USA prefers ‘zuchinni’ from Italian. I think ‘small marrow’ would work. Rocket’s a crafty little plant which has spread its genes (or whatever plants have) hugely in 20 years. I first met it in 1978 in Italy as part of a ‘hedgerow salad’ and an English guy who was with me told me it grew anywhere and he grew it in his garden in England (as I have ever since). When I’ve ordered ‘field greens salad’ in the USA, rocket seems a major ingredient and that’s a bit like ‘hedgerow salad.’ Its success in spreading in every country is spectacular – whoever saw pizzas covered with rocket 25 years ago? Even in Italy. My local supermarket sells three varieties- ordinary, organic and wild. But espresso isn’t just snobbery as your Italian ancestors will be pleased to tell you. Again 20 years ago, British coffee was the worst in the world. American coffee, while twice as good as British, was still the second worst in the world. That standard Columbian breakfast coffee with the free refills really was tasteless crap, and the standard of coffee has gone up massively in the last few years everywhere. What appalled me in Orlando last month was to see that Nestlé now has the coffee concession at the parks and now everywhere serves Nescafé which is the British coffee of 20 years ago, i.e. the worst in the world (well, Maxwell House is marginally worse). Couldn’t believe it.

Anyway, education has caused these basic Italian foods to be elevated, not that many Italians like the idea of ‘Italian’ food rather than Tuscan or Sicilian or Roman food. As someone who spent too many years travelling in Italy and France, I found this difference. If you know where to go, and a local takes you, French food is sublime. If you’re an ignorant tourist on your own, it’s often not very good. In Italy though, even the ignorant tourist would be extremely unlucky not to get an excellent meal. The standard of the average restaurant (rather than the top 5%) is the best I’ve ever found.

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Bill

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bob wigo

"The Last Movie".

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richie the brit

Subject: rosalind the film extra

dear rosalind. trouble in mind is a gem of a film,one of my all time faves. you were in it! im not worthy! i know the scene. its where keith carradine is up to naughties behind his wife's back.i knew it was filmed in seattle. they called it rain city in the film. my fav. scene. keith carradine stumbles upon kris kristofferson wooing his wife.kris says 'wrong man at the right time dont mean shit pal!'. kris then whacks keith carradine with a combination which would have done lennox lewis proud. magic! KK also worked with alan rudolph in a film called songwriter with willie nelson. another gem of a movie.john D. i didnt know that. thanks. cheers all. richie.

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rosalind

Subject: Movies

Richie__You mentioned "Trouble In Mind" that wonderful film was written and directed by Alan Rudolph, and filmed right here in Seattle (RainCity) I was an extra! I was one of the party girls...one of the ones with clothes on.

Nobody mentioned "Passionfish" when speaking of John Sayles or "Eight Men Out" either.

My favorite "Indie" director is Jim Jarmusch. "Stranger Than Paradise" "Mystery Train" "Down By Law"....wonderful stuff! Paula Jones ( of Bill Clinton fame) husband played the ghost of Elvis Presley in Mystery Train...did everybody know that?

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Kalervo

Subject: Lots of Iwgiens

Bill: Randy dedicated a song for me...wow... vau! Feels like a drunk who was watching the Moon mirroring on the water and shouting how on Earth am I this high!

Richard: Thanks!

Many interesting Sayles posts. Are there any director whose films are more varied than Sayles', at least when thinking of the sujects they are dealing with..?

Jakke: I think it is Nuclear Nightclub... Kalervo

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John D

Here's a story you may not have heard richie. There is a scene where Ronnie is on a horse and an explosion takes place knocking him off his horse. The scene almost killed him. The dynamite went off at the WRONG time almost underneath the horse. I'm not sure if the horse in the scene lived; but it almost killed Ronnie.

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Fred

Check the above link for info about that Country Bears animated film (or cartoon if you prefer) from Disney that was mentioned in here a long time ago. If the link doesn't work go to www.johnhiatt.com

Peter V: too bad the "seven figures" can't be in the now gone (but never forgotten) Italian Lira!!

Rosalind thanks for your recipe..I'll have to try it out (or maybe I'll get my wife to make it she's a better cook than I when it comes to all things in the dessert dept.

Since when is rugola a delicacy. It's glorified lettuce for god's sake. My dad used to grow it in his garden oh so many years ago. That's the funny thing, though, most of the food I(of Italian ancestry) ate (or beverages I drank) growing up is either considered an expensive delicacy (gnocchi) or a by-word for yuppie-snobbery (e.g. cappuccino, espresso--just coffee folks); the same applies to the food I eat now (sashimi--raw fish;sushi--raw fish on rice). Go figure?

has anyone ever thought of capturing a Barnburners show on tape (through the soundboard or whatever), later to have it released as an official CD?

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Peter Viney

Follow Rollie's link and take a look. Amusingly the seller wants an indemnity that the buyer won't abuse copyright. The only track that no one's heard of is "Long Beach Veil" which could mark a hitherto unknown penchant for surf music by The Band (or less thrillingly could mean the setlist was typed out by someone at Capitol with their usual care and attention to detail). Perhaps Ben can follow up 'Little John' with a stab at the lyrics. Enigmatic, isn't it? Is it a veil worn at Long Beach, Ca or is it a 'beach veil' that happens to be long? Is it a study of Islamic dress codes perhaps? Another one is 'Ain't No More Cane on the Brazo's' where the final possessive apostrophe leads me to ask 'on the Brazo's what?'

Anyway before we get excited a 'seven figure number' is mentioned, and at the best that would be ten thousand dollars (and no cents) but I guess he means a million. And how reliable will the tape be after 30 years? One play and you might have a few reels of transparent tape and a floor full of shed oxide.

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richie the brit

Subject: kristofferson at the movies

kris has made some wonderful films over the years. its great to see him back on the big screen these days particularly in prestige films such as limbo and a soldiers daughter never cries.my fav. kristofferson pics. include pat garret and billy the kid;cisco pike; blume in love; trouble in mind; the sailor who fell from grace with the sea;alice doesnt live here anymore, and heavens gate. his duds include rollover, flashpoint,millenium and night of the cyclone.i love a couple of made for tv gems that he did a few years ago.xmas in connecticut, and miracle in the wilderness.his official screen debut was cisco pike. it had introducing kk in the opening credits. his actual film debut was just before that as a bloke with a guitar sitting on a rock uttering a couple of words; that was it . any guesses as to the name of that film. clue. denis hopper.

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richie the brit

Subject: the hawk in heaven's gate

dear mike. the hawk has a brief role in heaven's gate. he appear's as a hunter/trapper sort of fellow,the type of rough frontiersman you wouldnt mess with. i think hese involved in an almighty punch up in the bar run by jeff bridges. what a film. criminally slaughtered by the critics on its release,its certainly stood the test of time as one of the gratest westerns ever made. kristofferson is magnificent in the lead role.

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Dave Hopkins

Completists take note: despite the lack of new material on the Robertson Classic Masters album, several of the tracks are previously unissued alternate mixes. Also, "Making a Noise" is listed as the "Olympic Version." This I noticed while in the record store today to pick up the new Linda Thompson CD (which is quite good).

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rollie

Subject: Woodstock Master Tapes for sale

Maybe one of you high rollin GB'ers should take a crack at these. The complete "Band" performance is on these tapes. Pool resources?

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rollie

Cities rally against erosion of civil rights by Dan Laidman A proposed resolution on protecting civil liberties has the Missoula City Council reminiscing about the ’60s and debating the legacy of Japanese internment camps. They are also considering whether adopting the controversial resolution—which is strongly critical of the Bush Administration’s record on civil liberties—would help the movement of concerned local governments to gain critical mass or whether it would needlessly antagonize local police. A handful of municipalities around the nation—including Berkeley, Calif., Denver, Colo., Ann Arbor, Mich., and several cities in Massachusetts—have made official statements opposing the federal government’s post-Sept. 11 actions that they say have restricted basic civil rights. Missoula is one of about 30 cities now considering making a similar statement. The resolution calls on local law enforcement to continue preserving Missoulians’ rights “even if requested or authorized to infringe upon these rights by federal law enforcement” emboldened by the USA Patriot Act and recent executive orders. Among other things it also calls upon federal and state law enforcement to avoid racial profiling and to report to local civilian police advisory boards. A resolution is only a statement of the opinion of a majority of a city council, and has no binding authority. “Any single local agency cannot override the authority of the federal government,” says Ward Three Council Member John Torma. “But I think there’s a growing tide of communities across the country, and that’s what’s going to make the difference.” Torma brought the resolution to the council’s Public Safety and Health Committee after one of his constituents, John Fletcher, brought it to him. At a committee meeting last week, Missoula Police Chief Bob Weaver said the department is against the resolution in its current form. Officers have approached him wanting to know if the city council does not trust them to respect the Constitution, he said. Ward Six Council Member Clayton Floyd says the resolution as written insults the police and also Congress, which passed the USA Patriot Act. Ward Two Council Member Jim McGrath responded by citing Japanese internment during World War II as an example of Congress’ occasional fallibility on civil rights matters. “Everybody’s civil liberties need to be protected and I’m all for that,” Floyd says. “But I don’t believe they’re in jeopardy here in Missoula, Montana, and if they are we can address it at the time.” Scott Crichton, executive director of Montana’s American Civil Liberties Union, points to a recent incident in Portland in which local police refused to act on an FBI request to question young Middle Eastern men. Crichton says it shows how local governments and agencies can take the initiative in protecting civil rights.

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Mike Nomad

Subject: Say what?

The Hawk was in Heaven's Gate? Damn, where have I been? Details...?

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Bashful Bill

Kalervo, I forgot to mention that Randy dedicated a song to you the other night. Sorry, I don't recall what the song was, maybe GMan remembers? They also dedicated one to some guy named Jan.Sayles-a good sized Sayles thread formed here in the GB a year or so ago. Someone yesterday suggested seeing Matewan for a good look at the coalmining industry(circa turn of the century). one could also check out his excellent, though dated, novel-Union Dues. Written in the late 60's, it starts out in coalmine territory, but moves quickly to the radical 60's movement in Boston. Kristofferson also pops up in here every now and then, one of his many Band connections(and one I have mentioned here before) is that his very first paying gig, according to him on a Biography episode, was opening for Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks in a Texas dive.I have never been able to find out if it was our Hawks, however. I do know that Kristofferson and Hawkins are good friends to this day. And, on another related note, I was reading the latest issue of Hittin The Note today, a magazine dedicated to the Allman Bros and everything related(very similair to Relix magazine for the deadheads), and they had a good article about Dylan's Renaldo and Clara, in which Hawkins plays Dylan! Never seen it myself, but it seems to be something they should release now that the DVD revolution is taking hold.

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Bruce from Boston

richie the brit:Sunshine State is another excellent Sayles film. In the movie, developer vultures descend on two old Florida communities, one white, one black. Long-time residents do their best to thwart them. Typical Sayles--fascinating characters, celebrating the little guy...do go see it. Apologies for lack of content regarding The Band. Appropriate Lucinda Williams song at the film's end however...-B.

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Jakke

Subject: Paul Simon songs

Yes Ilkka, when I started to play guitar in eighties those Simon's songs were almost first ones what I learned. 50 Ways, I Am A Rock, Silence, Boxer. All these songs are quite easy to play as beginner but sounds very good! Ilkka, Jake who asked before some song wasn't me. But does anyone know where this comes: "That day was bright and sunny, seemed to me With eagles wheeling overhead"? Maybe Ilkka and Kalervo knows:)

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Hank

Last night, at a post Monday night gig party here in Cork, a couple of Band fan/Musicians I know were telling me they were in a bar recently and started winding up this guy who was bugging them by having a conversation that went like......

" I pulled into Narzareth....feeling 'bout half past dead"

" Really? What were you doing there?"

" Just needed to find a place where I could rest my head"

and on and on.......

Apparently they went thru all of "The Weight", "The Shape I'm In" and "Back To Memphis" with this guy and not once did the guy pick up on it.........Sounds like fun......anyone here ever try anything like that?

Good to see God is back on The GB.........

Listen, Folks......I got the skinny on it...........

It's simple......you live, you die.....and, in between, you notice there's some sorta spark keeping this life and death thing goin' on.........Some folks are more sussed than others on it and they get religions together and do good and evil things on the back of it.........but the spark is still there............ What's going on around us now is that we're coming to the end of the cycle of the Piscean God-head.......Christ was the Piscean God......"Go out and Fish all around the world and give the world The Ten Commandments and it'll all be groovy for those who follow it and when you die, your soul will live forever in Paradise!"........ Hence, modern patriarchal Judaic/Christian/Islamic culture which rules the world in the form of the Military-Industrial-Entertainment Establishment..........

But all that is falling apart now..........Apocalyptic happenings from Woodstock to African Famine to The WTC....and it's time for a new God-head......a God-head that embraces the reality of the Whole Watery World as opposed to the realites of surviving in the deserts fo North Africa/Palestine or the forests of Northern Europe..............

As The 5th Dimension told you....this is the dawing of The Age of Aquarius, The Age of Aquarius........AQUARIUS!!!!!!!!............and so The New God-head will be an Aquarian........delivering water to humanity.......and, sure, what we're really gonna need soon as a life-form IS good, clean water........

Holy Moly!....Could it be that I'm the only one who knows all this?

The Pope came to Ireland in 1979......he did really big gigs here, too.....but, as I recall the PA was not that hot AND they played crappy brass band version of Beatle songs while we were waiting....AND the two priests running the show and who intro'd The Pope were later exposed for fathering children in spite of their vows of celibacy.........a tough gig, being a modern pope, I reckon.......with all the hindsight available..........with all the misdeeds of the church as an institution and the unsavoury characters all being exposed now.........it's proper order that all the foulness be exposed.......here's hoping that all the good that has been acheived in the name of Christ is not totally obscured by the recent revelations of scandalous behaviour and outright evil.

It was suggested last night at this party that Bob should get Metallica or Gwar to back him up at Newport this time 'round.........It'll be interesting to hear what he does at that gig either way........... By the by, who here likes that new(ish) Eminem song " Empty Without Me"? I like it alot meself.......it's funny and he's seriously taking the piss outta those who take him tooooooooo seriously....catchy tune, good rap.......

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Bones

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DPugatch

Subject: Fried Pies

I always have to laugh when items that are so taken for granted are exhaled and lauded. Krispy Kreme, a given here for years, having clogged the arteries of many a person for generations, now a treat. Now fried pies, hey, no one is a bigger fan of these then me, but a delicacy, come on Butchy, Rugala they aint. Next time your in town, the best is made at the Varsity, an Atlanta tradional for eons, genuine grease city, and fresh Georgia Peaches in these Aoerta stoppers. If your really in a pinch, any local gas station that has a convience store attached, has the ones made by Hostess, and they are 2 for a buck, what an epicurian delight. Next thing we will talk about is pork rinds, another method that was invented by cardiovascular surgeons to improve their profit margins. Don

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David Powell

Subject: Kris Kristofferson 1966

When Dylan was recording "Blonde On Blonde" at Columbia Studios in Nashville in 1966, Kris Kristofferson was also present, along with Robbie Robertson, Al Kooper and the Nashville session musicians. No, Kristofferson did not contribute to the sessions in any artistic manner -- he was working as a janitor at the studio and was one of the few non-participants allowed in past the tight security at the time. While sweeping the floors and emptying ashtrays, he did get to observe the recording process. Years later, in an interview, he said he did not actually speak to Dylan during those sessions but did meet Albert Grossman. As a struggling songwriter trying to get his foot in the door of the music business, perhaps that was a valuable experience for him.

In 1980, Kristofferson appeared in the notorious "Heaven's Gate" film along with a "cast of thousands" that included Ronnie Hawkins.

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Peter Viney

Good Old Boys - think I mentioned it- along the lines that the half-formed ideas on the bonus disc had more promise that most singers' published works. There were a few there he should have worked up fully. Fascinating to see what people reject- it's been said before that The Band worked up every positive idea and had few rejects (Ferdinand the Imposter being the most informative). Others had tons of rejects - and Dylan rejected great stuff like Blind Willie McTell, I'm Not There (1956) and Clothes line Saga while putting out whole albums of poor material.

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Richard

Subject: favorite religious moment

Favorite LoB moment...

Brian to Crowd: "Why are you all gathered here? What do you all want?"
Crowd: "We want you to tell us what to do!"
Brian: "I want you to go away and think for yourselves"
Crowd: "Yes! Think for ourselves! That's it! Then what do we do?"

Congrats Kalervo on 22 years.

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richie the brit

Subject: john sayles

in cinematic terms, JSayles is god(oops!)matewan and secret of roan inish are excellent. my fav. film of his has to be lone star, memorable for that chilling performance from kris kristofferson.obvious band connection from kris apart from dylan, would be that awful steven seagal film fire down below where the baddies working for kris bump off poor old levon's good guy pastor(boo hiss!) nevermind kris soon got his comeuppance in the shape of a good kicking from mr seagal.john sayles's new film the sunshine state came out here this week anyone seen it?

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Ben Pike

"Little John" which was made up in two minutes; is none the less based on a firm belief that the "Moon Struck One" charactors need to be explored further, perhaps some major novelist will do so.

Speaking of works in development, I'm still waiting for PV to weigh in on the "Good Old Boys" expanded re-issue. Did I miss it?

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Bill

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richie the brit

Subject: fav religous moment pt 2

my fav bit in LOB is the sermon on the mount, where some of the crowd are so far back they think jesus is saying blessed are the cheesemakers instead of blessed are the peacemakers.it cracks me up everytime that one. dear finnish friend. i dont think bruce regards himself as a saviour of rock. indeed when massive posters were displayed in london during the BTR tour in 1976 proclaiming him as A ROCK SAVIOUR , bruce promptly got his ladder out and ripped them to shreds. take it from me ,the rising is up there with bruce's best work.

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rollie

Subject: cathy smith

Is it possible cathy smith was performing with Levon Helm and the RCO Allstars on SNL and not the Band. I have footage of two female backup singers with RCO (the other being Libby Titus?). Check out the link.UFOs sighted over DC!Could it have been Satan?

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rosalind

In C. Smith's book "Chasing The Dragon" there was this airport story she mentioned. The Band were all sitting in a circle and discussing whether Cathy ought to accompany them on the road. Richard became loud and said "If she don't come I ain't goin'" or something like that. They agreed that her going along would piss wives off and break their rule about having women along on the road but nevertheless on Richards insistance, she went.

She was a back-up singer for Hoyt Axton. She also done backing vocals for Gordon Lightfoot's album "Sundown" but he edited most of them out. You can hear her a little bit..she has a lovely lilting voice.

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RIP VAN WINKLE

Er...could you repeat that please. I must have nodded off. Nice photos though. Make you feel close to God in a rustic sort of way.

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Jenny T

According to the E! True Hollywood Story on John Belushi, Cathy Smith was one of the Band's back-up singers. Unless that's a euphemism, I had trouble buying into it, though I guess she did say she sang back-up for somebody (I forget who) in her book. Was she ever on stage with them singing? Did they ever employ back-up singers? And if so, why?

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Jenny T

While scraping poop off of cotton diapers is not one of my favorite memories, the overall environmental impact of disposables is far greater when you consider every step of raw materials extraction, production, packaging, transportation, etc. (Procter & Gamble will tell you otherwise, but they fudge their studies.) And that's how you have to think of every choice as a consumer--which choice uses the least water, forest products, and other resources, creates the fewest greenhouse gases and other pollutants, etc. If you don't want to deal with poop, don't have kids. Lately with their excess of attitude and sarcasm (where did they get that?) and with the ten year old trying to use bad language whenever possible, scraping baby poop doesn't seem so bad.

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JTull Fan

Subject: favorite religous moment

The stoning scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail,when the old man is jumping up and down kicking sand waiting to be stoned, shouting 'Jehova Jehova Jehova!', and then one of the stoners says 'he said it again! He said JeHOVa!' and gets stoned himself.

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Brien Sz

Subject: Oh, the subject that riles

Crabstermannnn (said with a Jamacian accent) - I refered to "your" version of Humanism because you, in the past, have given us it's logical foundation chapter and verse. Now whether you have a hard copy is one thing altogether or not I suppose. As for the examples you gave, vengeful God, stoning, animal sacrifice, sun and moon thing, these are history (pleasant or not) it is also what is refered to as mythos. If you choose to take it literally like fundamentalists (which you seem to have a fascination of refering to) then fine but for the vast majority who are not Orthodox or Fundamentalists, then these are simply lessons to be examined ( I grant you some are extrememly warped)and learned from. The astronomy thing you point out, I believe, is a man thing, not a Bible or God thing. I'd like you to find the scripture where God says "The sun revolves around the earth." I think you were stretching. The fact that when Copernicus discovered 'earth around sun' it sent shock waves through the church is a product of the second aspect of relegion, logos. The two, mythos and logos should work in tandem but often don't. Logos is powerful and is an aspect that can have dire effects on those minds that are entrenched in mythos. The last 500 years logos has evolved in religion and taken, if you will, the upper hand. Western culture, in its very secular structure at this point in its evolution, is deeply logos, to a point where we have made mythos a very weak entity in religion. This is not healty either as the lessons of the Bible become lost to fact and logic (which has its very important place but tends to disregard gray in lieu of black and white). The lessons of the Old Testament, especially the first 5 books, or the Torah for the Jews, are rich with mythos (which you seem to be refering to) to take these as literal is tough to stomach. Fundamentalists look upon these as sacred truths to be taken literally, imprinting their own version of logos into mythos. They see todays logos as false, as a perversion of Gods word. That progress only brings us further from the truth, when in fact, in my own estimation, we are only coming closer to understanding God. The terrorists who did 9/11 are of a mind set so non-secularist, it would make your head spin. Islam is very much an all encompassing life, especially in its fundamental form. There is no seperation between politics and religion, a fact we can't understand. These fundamentalists have issues with their more secular brothers like Egypt, and Saudi Arabia whose line between the two, to us, seems very gray. They seek to go back. They believe going forward is to leave God's wisdom behind. This is the battle we have before us. It isn't Gods word that is the problem, it's the interpretation of it. Free Will is a powerful gift and as we know Power (in any form, mythos or logos) corrupts the mind no matter what 'good' intentions are sought. That is our struggle as a race, what do we do with this Free Will, can it be tamed, can we live with it, or will we destroy ourselves in trying to lasso it?

Wow i really babbled didn't I.., And believe me I could go on.., It's a favorite study of mine, and I thought about injecting some Taoist sayings a long the way but opted out.

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Jenny T

It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies. Mark Twain

I have read every major religious text there is, and I took a wealth of notes, too. I did this in order to write an as yet unpublished book entitled The Shaded Path: Religious Wisdom and the Salvation of the Environment. I guess the natural creation will probably go into the crapper anyway, but it is easy to argue that it is sinful to trash it, wherever you get your wisdom.

In my opinion all the world's great sacred texts have a lot of genius mixed in with a lot of questionable or destructive notions. Except the early Taoist sages--now those dudes had it all figured out. My personal Bible is The One Straw Revolution by Japanese farmer Masanobu Fukuoka.

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Peter Viney

I'd mentioned this unissued Chuck Berry version in my 1999 article on the site- so it was 'forgotten' rather than 'didn't ever know', though the difference is academic!

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Kalervo

Subject: Clear water...

Ilkka: Oh..it would be fine to chat over clear water with you.. I was in Kaustinen folk festival during Pori ....Ah...over 22 years without that boring, conservative (!) and brain rusting alcohol! There must be God somewhere!

What about Bruce Springsteen? His new album got quite bad reviews in our main newspaper...Maybe he is into the trap of being the saviour of rock...Maybe he can be more at home being a troubadour without forced street energy...Like the other Bruce from Canada...Although that live record is so good.

Charlie: John Sayles films are always interesting...My all-time favorite is his lesser known film The Secret Of Roan Inish.

AnD last but not least:WELCOME BACK BROWN EYED GIRL!

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Peter Viney

Last night I had a sudden desire to hear "Nadine" in the original and pulled out my "Chess Years" Chuck Berry 9 CD set. Anyway, that led to more Chuck Berry and I got to leafing through the booklet. Something I hadn't noticed (or have forgotten) in the complete sessionography- in 1974 Chuck recorded "The Weight" which is listed as 'unissued'. On the relevant CD, it has Swannee River cut at the same session, but no sign of The Weight. Does anyone know if it ever turned up elsewhere? I thought the "Chess years" set sounded great when I got it circa 1987, but in the light of modern remastering techniques I think it could now be improved.

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rosalind

Subject: Fried pies and pope-mobiles

Fred__If you need more info on the pie preparation, here it is: The Southern cooks use lard to make pastry dough and they also fry in lard, this is the way they get that distinctively southern flavor. All a fried pie is is a round of good elastic pie dough (don't work it to much, it will ge tough and flakeless) roll it out and put any kind of fruit (get a can of pie filling from the grocery store) on one half of the dough round, lift the other half of the dough across the fruit filled side and seal the edges well.(using a little water on the edges of the filling side and a fork to seal.) Make sure oil is relatively hot (important) Too hot burns the outside of the dough while the inside of the dough stays raw, and too cool will make a real greasy pie that sometimes falls apart on ya.) I use an old iron skillet to fry mine in. I fill it up with melted Crisco or Canola oil till a little over a third up the sides of the skillet,( as with chicken, do not crowd) make sure the pies are at least half covered with the oil as they fry. Use two slotted spatula's to turn them over when one side is obviously browned enough and do the same on the other side. Drain on paper bags or paper towels. (Bags work well in case you have any filling boiling out, bags won't stick to hot filling like paper towels do ..if you don't have boil-over use the towels.) Regular deep-frying also works well, none of the pie actually touches the bottom of a pan. Makes it more even.

Your question concerning a drag-race between the Pope-Mobile and the Bat-Mobile_____ I think the Pope-Mobile would win hands down, but only if it were being chased by a group of survivers of priest sexual abuse. He said he didn't have time to say a few words to them, even tho the trip had been planned for months now.....yeah.

To Grabass or Crabgrass...whatever the hell your name is: Let's say you get a piece of lawn furniture in the mail that you have to assemble yourself. What's the first thing you do? That's right, you pick up the directions and read where all the legs and pieces and nuts and bolts fit. Okay, now let's say that the thing is all put together now but it keeps falling over. What do you assume Crabgrass? Do you assume that the directions are obviously wrong,(without a doubt you would) or do think maybe you have made the mistake somewhere in assembling the idem and pick up the instruction booklet and look it over (probably not) and re-assemble the thing till it stands up straight and tall? The Holy Scriptures are an instruction manual. If it doesn't work, that means that we must have put it together wrong! Get It?

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Ragtime

I'm disappointed too about the tracklist. I was desperately hoping for "Between trains" (one of those could-have-been-Band-songs) from The King of Comedy. The sound fragment on this site, with Robbie and Richard singing together, is tantalizing.

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Neil Diamond

Agree with all the baby coments below, when my oldest who is now 19 was about nine months old or so we were at the grocery store, my son loved to be carried like a football, laying stomach first as I cradled him in my arm, so were walking down this crowded aisle when my son lets out this earth shattering Fart, well I couldn't help but start to laugh, I mean I was proud of the little guy, what was so funny about it was that these two ole ladys were looking at me thinking I did it with looks on there face like Im a fricking pig or something and having the gaul to laugh about it on top of it, well I didn't even try to explain cause it wouldn't have done any good, they wern't gonna believe that little baby was capable of such a deed, I still can see the look those ole gals gave me to this day, still cracks me up, wouldn't trade being a Dad for nothing so enjoy it cause it really go's fast...

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Dave Hopkins

Subject: "new" Robbie album

According to the Barnes & Noble website, the following is the tracklisting for the Robbie Robertson Classic Masters album out today on Capitol:

1. Making a Noise
2. Stomp Dance
3. Unbound
4. Ghost Dance
5. Coyote Dance
6. In the Blood
7. The Code of Handsome Lake
8. Mahk Jchi
9. Sacrifice
10. The Sound Is Fading
11. Golden Feather
12. Peyote Healing
13. Take Your Partner By the Hand

So that looks like 4 songs from Music for the Native Americans and 9 (!) from Contact from the Underworld of Red Boy, with nothing from the Band, the first two Robertson albums on Geffen, or soundtracks, rarities, etc. Makes one wonder what the point is, exactly, other than the possible financial benefit of re-selling "remastered" tracks from albums that are 4 and 8 years old. I'm guessing this satisfies some clause in Robbie's contract...maybe so he can join Nicky Love on DreamWorks Records?

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Dr Pepper

Subject: Donna not actually looking like a buffalo

Actually Donna the Buffalo is a pretty good band from Western NY and Donna PA looks more feline than a buffalo. whew! Got myself into some trouble!

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Crabgrass

Subject: Catholic "Woodstock" / Religion on Paper

Wow!! I wish I'd been up in Toronto recently as I got stranded in Grand Central Station trying to get to the original Woodstock back in '69! No wonder Dylan and Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu performed for the Pope in Rome at Popestock a few years back!!

I admit that Religion on Paper is pretty terrific - ESPECIALLY IF YOU ENJOY - 1) animal sacrifices, 2) the stoning of sinful women and unruly adolescents (the latter I approve of btw and have oft quoted the relevant Biblical passages to Crabby Jr.), 3) a temperamental vengeful Supreme Diety who destroys entire cities, 4) believing that the Sun revolves around the Earth, -- well, the list of goodies goes on and on. (Tattoos are forbidden in the Bible so better warn your kids!! Mutilation of the body - specifically circumcism is okay, however.) Religion on Paper is also responsible for the endless violence in the Middle East and 9/11.

Hey, if anyone has an extra copy of MY version of Humanism lying around can you mail it to me? I can't locate mine.

"And no religion too." - JL

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Neil Diamond

That's it Sam, now if you could figure out how to fix the greedy CEO problem in this country there might be a statue in the works..

Roz hun, thanks for the welcome and the spell check, I get headaches when I have to think to much...

Went out over the weekend to hear some music, this band I like plays Band songs,Ive complimented them in the past for there taste, so on this night as they tell the audiance what the next song is, the band leader says the next song were gonna do is "Shape Im In" by the Band, he looks at me and says I know we have at least one Band fan in the house, how cool is it to be a fan of these guys I guess was my imediate thought....have a good Tuesday...

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gargarin

Subject: The Garth Hudson show in Toronto

On Monday July 15, 2002 I saw the Garth Hudson show in Toronto, Canada. I tell you bye, he was some good. The place rocked. Garth and the Crowmatix had the whole audience hopping. I thought the opening group was good. However after hearing Garth and his group, the opening group faded quickly as a memory. I have never heard him play live before. It was a treat to watch a truly great musician who had a tremendous amount of talent, energy and soul. Aside from everything else, his technical skill of playing the keyboard was a true treat. Amazingly, he played the saxophone with the same skill and energy. I went to the show with two Band fans. One was a BIG Band fan with BROWN EYES. She caught the energy and flowed with it. Lots of rocking and dancin'. I sure am glad that I didn't miss the opportunity to see Garth. I look forward to his return to our fair City of Toronto.

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Fred

Butch (a.k.a. Butchie Crocker): thanks for the info about thoses Southern Pastries; mouth's watering..all over the keyboard

JTull: All the sleep you loose waking up in the middle of the night due to crying, feeding times & changing diapers....you NEVER get it back..NEVER (however you can lay the guilt trip on your child when he/she gets older) A second bit of advice (and this goes out to any potential newbie parents, too): DISPOSABLE DIAPERS; don't fall into the con about cotton diapers...with disaposables, once they're used into the garbage they go; cloth diapers need to be washed don't they? who in their right mind wants to scrub sh*t off a cotton diaper?!?!?! I'd rather fatten frogs for snakes (if I may paraphrase Sonny Boy Williamson) Too bad no scientist has ever found a use for baby-poop. I mean guano was a big deal 2 centuries ago! baby-poop the "new" alternative energy supply of the 21st century!

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Dr Pepper

Subject: Donna the Buffalo

Hey Donna, Great band from Western NY called Donna the Buffalo...heard them?

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Dr Pepper

Subject: Louie, Louie

I remember the night at Bearsville Theater that Rick, Jules Shear, and awwwwwww can't remeber his name...won lots of Grammy awards...fame and fortune...pop stuff mostly. They came out and opened with Louie, Louie. I was lucky enough to have been backstage for their "rehearsal" and Rick and Jules insisted that the lyrics were "way I go" and the other guy (you know who you are) insisted "way WE go". Rick won! It was a very good show!

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Bayou Sam

I loved when John Belushi was in the Band and they cut "Louie Louie". Too bad those Fried Peach Pit Pies killed him.

Seriously though - I don't think Levon dislikes Neil Diamond at all. It seems to me that for him (Levon), ND represents Robbie, and all the bad taste that he (Levon) has with regard to TLW......I'm a genius. I solved the whole N.D.@T.L.W. debacle. It never has to come up again.

[APPLAUSE]

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Alphabetizing.....

IIkka, you put Bob Dylan in the "B" section of your music collection ?.....I think that's blasphemous. You are quite correct about one thing however, Kuninkaanlähde Source is very good (if not somewhat pugnacious if not properly chilled) and Crabgrass is definitely going burn in Brimfire and Damnation some day if he is not careful.

Louie-Louie can only be played by " The Kingsman ", that too is punishable by Eternal Damnation

First song I ever played on the bass in front of an audience ?......"Old Rocking Chair"....I kid you not. I also sang it at the same time....nany-nany-nany....

John W.,"I am a dyslexic agnostic who likes animals. I sit around wondering if Dog exists."......Funniest thing I've heard all day.......TNX

And that's all I have to say about that......

~Wallpaper-Out~

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Pat Brennan

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John W.

Tull Fan - Don't worry, I promise you'll find no more rewarding and enriching experience in your life than raising your little baby. I was nervous about it too, but having my daughter in my life has been amazing. I know it sounds crazy now but changing those diapers and getting spit up on will change you in positive ways you can't imagine.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Kathy 'Silverbag' Smith

Brien, I heard this story from the Hoskyns book I think. Didn't mention SNL best I can recall. Seems strange she would be used (or anybody for that matter) as a backup singer for the Band, particularly the original version. I THINK Hoskyns claims she was Rick and Levon's dealer as well, but don't quote me on it as it's been 10 years since I read his book. Congrats on the family addition, BTW. My wife wants to start a family, and I don't know how much longer I can find valid excuses for the delay. Too bad you can't give birth to a ten year old or something.

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Chris

Subject: Chest Fever

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH....another miserable day at my miserable job.....

and then WXRT to the rescue.

3:35 pm....dananaaa.....dananeee....chest fever.

ha victory over the suits at last...in particular the one I'm wearing.

Thanks boys.

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Brien Sz

Subject: John Belushi and The Band

I was having homemade taco's last night (with a Heineken) with my sister and wife (baby anyday now) and we had E! Hollywood True Stories on the tube. This installment was on the life of John Belushi..., Well as it turns out (according to this show) Kathy (Katy - not sure) Smith, the woman who injected the last dose JB ever felt was a back up singer for the Band when they appeared on SNL. That is where John met her. I didn't know this and if I read it, I certainly forgot about it. I wonder how well she knew any of the boys? How often she sang with them, etc.., I was really quite shocked at the revelation.

As for religion and the Crabster, his version of Humanism offers no better solution for improving humankind.., Religion on paper looks great also - it offers wonderful things and great approaches as to how we should treat each other - If Humanism were the way of the world, its tenants would eventually ( and rather quickly) be perverted, twisted, misinterpreted and in the end find a way to cause its own needless bloodshed.

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Bones

It's amazing, for I have been gone for two weeks and the main topic has still been Neil Diamond's place in the Last Waltz. Did he seem out of place at the concert? Yes, but he was Robbie's friend and the whole idea was to have some friends help take it home. Did he seem out of place in the movie? No, for Scorsese and Robertson explain it to where it works thematically with the movie.

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David Powell

Subject: Dylan

Interesting article in yesterday's New York Times -- "Bob Dylan's Unswerving Road Back to Newport" by Tom Piazza. Mr. Piazza discussed Dylan's brief electric set at the Newport Folk festival (with the Paul Butterfield Blues Band) on July 25, 1965 within the context of his ever-changing career. Only five days before, the monumental single of "Like A Rolling Stone" had been released. Thirty-seven years later, Dylan will be performing again at the Newport Folk Festival, this coming Saturday night, for the first time since that controversial performance in 1965.

What Mr. Piazza fails to mention is that those series of events in July 1965 would eventually lead Dylan to cross paths with a group known as the Hawks. Joining forces, a meteoric world tour followed. A year later, the musical directions of both Dylan and the Hawks would abruptly change.

It was reportedly on this very day, July 29th, in 1966 that Dylan was invloved an alleged motorcycle accident. The details of that event remain in dispute to this day, but there's no doubt that the course of music history changed in the wake of the circumstances.

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bob wigo

I second that motion but I'm afraid BK's plate will be pretty full for the next year or so as I'm certain he will be with the Stones for the duration of their tour.

He was a great addition to the BB's and I would love to see that lineup again.

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Ed Blayzor

Subject: Classic Masters

This weekend i got a copy of RR`s Classic Masters cd that comes out Tuesday, it countains tracks only from his 2 Native American cds. I was hoping it would have tracks from his various soundtrack work but alas i was disappointed.

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John W.

I am a dyslexic agnostic who likes animals. I sit around wondering if Dog exists.

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Dave the Phone Guy

If you guys bring anybody else in, could it please be Bobby Keyes?

He sure fit in well on that California run last year.

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pehr

checking in, Its a little depressing, all the games. boring. I liked the louie louie thread though. I remember a couple versions from Iggy Pop boots- One version he says Awright, F-You... if you wanna 45 Minute Louie Louie you're gonna get one... and played it for 45 minutes.

Another was the show before "Metallic K.O." was recorded, he changed the "lyrics" to heckle the Bikers that were heckling him. repors from it say he jumped in the crowd to take on a heckler and got his ass kicked good, but came back and recorded "Metallic K.O." a couple days later.

Metallic K.O. is a live recording of the Stooges last show. It ends when Iggy is Knocked out by a flying whiskey bottle.

Back to the Band... Butch, thanks for keeping us posted here on whats going on. Keep the Blues going!

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Ilkka

Subject: God, politics, religion ... whatever

Nothing, I mean NOTHING (well, maybe a glass of Heineken with Norbert, or a glass of clear water from Kuninkaanlähde Source in Pohjankangas Heath with Kalervo, or a piece of 'vlaai' on the banks of Damsterdiep with Ragtime... errr... yikes... maybe not ;-) can beat a theological disgussion with GRABGRASS. Here we go...

Ilkka says: "The interesting question is _NOT_ whether Grabgrass believes in God or not.
The interesting question _IS_ whether God believes in Grabgrass or not."

Grabgrass, whether God exists or not, the _religion_ definitely exists. It has been a great inspiration for a lot of good music. Let me start with "B" in my vinyl LP collection... hmmm... The Band: Old Time Religion/ Joan Baez: you name it!/ Bob Dylan: hundreds of songs!/ J. S. Bach: Matteuspassion, Johannespassion (ask Ragtime for more!)/The Byrds: Turn, turn, turn - and so on. (Further theological disgussion via email, please.)

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Bruce from Boston

Subject: Richard's Whispering Pines

Rick S. I second your congratulations to Andy & Co. for the fine fine fine Richard Manuel CD. It arrived in the mail this weekend and I was surprised at the quality of the production and love Richard's performance especially Before I Grow too Old and Miss Otis Regrets. For y'all who are looking for the HMV link to purchase this, it's above. Keep rocking.-Bruce

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Peter Viney

They don't call him the Boss for nothing … if they'd had Bruce at TLW we wouldn't be arguing now about the merits of guest songwriters with powerful voices. Few artist have the nerve to put him on a show next to them, but note that he has not only sat in with The Levon Helm All-Stars (August 87 - Up on Cripple Creek and Lucille) but played with Robbie at the R&R Hall of Fame. Still getting into The Rising, but first impression backs up one or two reviews. At 12 / 13 tracks it would have been a 5 star album. A couple of rather generic tracks may take it just off the peak as is so often the case since the demise of the LP got artists to extend beyond their natural album length, but still an essential purchase and I think it'll get played a lot over the next few months here. I believe the chorus recording on Worlds Apart is Pakistani, but the immediate impression of those voices wailing (ululating?) is strongly reminiscent of The Red Road Ensemble - good to see Bruce keeps up his interest! I got over-excited when I saw the title 'Skin to Skin' on the cover thinking it was the Harry Belafonte-Jennifer Warnes song, which it isn't (but it's a great song).

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butchie crocker

Subject: fried pies

Fred, a fried pie, ( peach for me ), is light flaky dough rolled over & filled with fresh fruits,, then fried,, like so much in the southern cuisine,, it takes on a personality of its own,,

like The Band,, the sum is greater than its parts,,,, hehehehehehehheheheheheheh,,,,

it is smallish like those hostess "fruit" filled pastries,,, & flatter,,,

but MMMMMMMMman o' man,, it is america at her finest,,, ( imo )

see yall in Dixie,,,,

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Hazy Davy

Subject: Band "tribute/cover bands"

Hello, I'm a longtime Band fan, a sometime guestbook lurker, and this is my first post. I guess I got tired of lurking. My brother brought home The Brown Album when I was eight years old, and I've been hooked since! I took up guitar two years ago, at age 40, because I wanted to do more than listen to The Band's music; I want to learn it, internalize it, perform it (for my three boys, age 4, 3 and 2!) and in that way, help keep it alive in my own humble way. I'd like to hook up with like-minded others. Anybody know of any Band "cover groups" or a way to find individuals in this area to just get together and figure out songs, licks and so on? Finally, I look forward to posting more often, getting involved in the fracas. And finally-finally, I very much enjoy all the Band insight on the g-book, the passionate opinions and amusing asides & what have ya -- esp. Peter Viney for your "scholarship." Thank you!

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biffalo bull

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Bill

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Don Pugatch

Subject: Bruce Hornsby

Everytime I read the Great Butch's reviews, I get myself to look at my tickets to my next live music show. Some how, the trip to Memphis detoured around the Capital of The World (Atlanta for all our out of town guests) and landed on the back side of what some call Da South. Back to live music, Bruce Hornsby this weekend, live at the outdoor paradise called Chastain Park, hey Charlie, give me some tips, do I send my requests on a large poster, paper airplane or what, let me know Don

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Fred

Butch: What are Fried Peach Pies (or was that Peach Fried Pies)? Are they like peach pies that have been baked & then fried or...? And more importantly are they good & tasty?

Peter V: too bad about Van's cancellation. What's the world coming to when you can't even trust a rock legend to keep his commitments (and speaking of The Commitments...what a fine film!)

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Charlie Young

Subject: Working in a Coal Mine...

In THE LAST WALTZ, Robbie says that "the road...is a goddamn impossible way of life." I would say that the road can be a stressful way of life, but working in a coal mine is REALLY an impossible way of life. Check out John Sayles' movie MATEWAN, or OCTOBER SKY, the fine film based on Homer Hickam's memoir, ROCKET BOYS, for a couple of great glimpses into that life.

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Amanda

Subject: Thoughts from a Southern Belle

Why do we have to break this cyber Band world and it's visitors into isolated pieces? Isn't that rather confining and insulting? We are all males and females of different ages and locales. Our native languages and accents are different. We don't share mothers and fathers and lifestyles. Some of us discovered the Band long after the show was over, some attended The Last Waltz, others have been following The Band since the 60s. Is it so shocking that we all have various viewpoints and feelings concerning the history of this group? Aren't we allowed to bring our own uniqueness to the table here without being chastised or labeled? Every time I post I seem to worry about who I may be offending. Don't we all lose when we don't feel the freedom to express ourselves? You may not agree with me on every topic and I may not see things your way either...so what. We may learn something from each other, that is much more important than berating each other for our differences. When the re-mastered Last Waltz came out months ago in all its various forms, I remember Lil writing that we all had more in common than we realize. That is so true, yet we have had no great Band-related discussions or songwriting analysis or anything meaningful for a long time. I am not saying that I think everything on the GB should be about The Band. There is just so much I don't know about them and I never grow tired of learning more. I found this site during the latter part of 1996. I couldn't believe my good fortune and I would lurk like crazy. I really didn't have the courage to post until 2000. I remember when Rick died. I was pregnant with my twins, confined to bed and had no computer. I wanted so much to visit this place because everyone was so familiar to me even though I had never personally communicated with any of you. We share the Band's highs and lows here. We are very lucky that Jan cares about these guys as much as we do. I really do love Levon. I don't think I have ever tried to hide how much his "musicality" has meant to my life. I appreciate the live performance reviews from Butch and others. I don't think that means I'm kissing Levon's butt. I could come up with much better ways to kiss his butt other than begging for show reviews. I haven't written him any love letters or sent nude videos of myself. Every time Levon or Garth or even Robbie performs doesn't that make your heart lift? I do favor the others over Robbie, but when I got the Canadian version of the Olympic ceremony and watched it for the first time, that was a glimpse of glory for me and it felt good...part of The Band at an international ceremony. I know this has been a long post, but I needed to write some of these things. I am a person that is not into games or making myself feel important at the expense of others. I just felt a need to express some of my thoughts and I thank you kindly for your attention.

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Peter Viney

Thanks, Bob - I should have checked it myself. The organizers say they were hoping they could get Van to do it, but logistically he's in Glasgow the night before, and a 400 mile trip south with equipment on a British summer holiday Saturday when north-south roads are jammed solid is hard - the musicians could have flown down to Bristol, Bournemouth or London (all about one hour from the gig by road) but getting the equipment broken down on Saturday night and driven south to set up for a 6 pm start would have been a nightmare for the crew. Mr Booking Agent, please don't book those jobs so far apart … but thanks for the link as I see that not only is he in Brighton on Sept 13 / 14, but that Bap Kennedy is the support!

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rosalind

Richie_Thanks to your post on the new Springsteen record, it's on my list!

Fred_ Thanks for the correction on yesterday's post...I feel rotten now about "the stick up the back" comment.

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Brenda Starr

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bob wigo

Subject: Van

Peter,

I don't know if you are aware of this site ( link above ). They had the 8/3 cancellation listed a few weeks back. I hope it is useful in the future.

From someone who visits here everyday....the personal attacks have grown old and tiresome. Agree to disagree and move forward. Please.

Andy R. -- I too have fond memories of the original Main Point having seen Bruce, Tom Waits and Jackson Browne among others there. A wonderful venue managed by folks who always kept the music as the priority.

Tommy, it's great to hear from you again.

Welcome home Pat. Please tell us more of your adventure.

John D., thanks for your personal account of the Pope's visit to Toronto.

To the posters who have recently discovered The Band and this wonderful place -- enjoy the ride.

To everyone who contributed to the incredible rescue effort in southwestern Pennsylvania...thank you. Joyous occasions are getting more and more difficult to come by. Nine souls saved and countless spirits lifted. We have never been more in need of good news.

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Peter Viney

Argh! Van’s cancelled his August 3rd gig! I phoned today to check start time and the bastards said they’d known for three weeks, but were only telling people now (as they hoped he’d change his mind).

How many people in here define their musical tastes by what they DON’T like, rather than what they like. I’m just as guilty of this bad habit with my past attacks on The Doors and Pete Seeger. It pushes people into stances – I suspect the Neil Diamond defenders (including me) are not particularly enamoured with Diamond, as much as recognizing him as a professional musicisan and songwriter, and find it silly and a touch pathetic that people have to define their blues right-on status by attacking him. I’ve said before that one of my most excruciating 30 minutes in a record store was selecting Christmas presents while his latest Christmas album played, but that doesn’t mean everything else he did was crap (it wasn’t) or that he was somehow “unworthy”. The same posters have a kind of knee-jerk attitude to agree with everything Levon “said” in a (at least) partly ghost-written “auto”biography by a sensationalist journalist, and his quoted off-hand line about Diamond is taken as holy gospel. “Ah. Levon say Diamond bad. Ugh. So Diamond bad.” Read the 1969 Ronnie Hawkins interview. Read the same events (and same jokey asides) in Levon’s book. Even read 69-71 Robbie interviews and see the same points in Levon’s book. I’d suspect that Davis blended new Levon interview material fleshed out with a lot of research into past articles (just as Hoskyns did) – there are long quotes from Rick Danko too. It also seems likely that the whole book was prompted by Hoskyns research. Some of the extreme Levonistas should have a large photo of Levon’s posterior on the wall so that they can kiss it every morning. The point is that Levon in everything I’ve seen has a great sense of humour and tall-talk too. Levon wouldn’t have said ‘I experienced a certain mild distaste for Neil Diamond’, he’d have expressed it more strongly and humorously because he’s a raconteur with a sense of delivery and timing. If I’d been present, I’d have laughed and agreed – shit, Neil Diamond would have laughed and agreed in the circumstances.

On exactly which, where’s the sense of humour going to here? Some people (Lars and Al Edge for example) are sorely missed. There’s a jokey discussion about Louie Louie, and someone wades in to state strongly that The Band would never have recorded such crap. Listen- CHARLIE WAS MAKING A HUMOROUS POINT in suggesting that Robbie and Garth would have sung it. He didn’t actually mean that the real Garth and Robbie would have sung it. As the other Neil Diamond just said, Lighten up!

I guess today is the start of “Bruce Springsteen Guest Week” on the GB – I’ve just got back from the store. I eschewed the extra £2 for the “library edition” as it won’t fit my CD shelf- unusual move for me!. (Uh, Band link would be Atlantic City so we don’t have to look for one …)

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richie the brit

Subject: god(again)

one more thing.folks who enjoy sticking the boot into god will find the rising hard to take. god is all over the album from beginning to end. listen and be blessed. peace. richie

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John D

From time to time there is a lot about Politics here is the guestbook. They say never discuss religion and politics; but if I might be allowed to do this just once. This is just a very personal feeling and I do not expect others to agree or disagree..........just a few thoughts.

This past week-end I was assigned to cover the Pope's visit to World Youth Day in Toronto. I arrived at 1 A.M. in the morning and the 150 foot cross could be seen lit up from miles away. Our remote studio was still a mile across the 600,000 or so youth. Father John Walsh, a Catholic Priest from Montreal who was co-hosting the broadcast of the Mass on Sunday morning was with me and he has been at many of these events and quickly was able to get us two golf carts and drivers. We drove through the crowds at slow speeds and though I missed Woodstock '69, I truly got the "feeling" of it. If it were a movie shoot you would swear it was Woodstock.

I slept in a seat that did not tilt and got about an hour's rest. About 5:50 a.m. the skies opened up with rain. Except for the lack of a mosh pit it was really feeling like Woodstock. The Pope arrived right on time at 8:45 by helicopter and into the PopeMobile and began driving through the crowds.

I was raised a Roman Catholic; but like many have lapsed. Suddenly I am told that he is going to come by our trailor which was situated just on the outer fringe of backstage. They told me I could leave the studio for a look. He came towards me (only about 10 of us standing there) and I made the sign of the cross. He was about 7-8 feet away. He smiled and gave us a blessing. I teared up. I wasn't sure why. I hadn't felt this way since I was a child. I was later given a rorsary blessed by the Pope which I will cherish. It was a moment that I will never forget and the cheers from the youth when the Pope addressed the wrong doings by priests was wonderful. I don't think anyone expected him to go there; but I would think he would have to. This is a very large problem for Catholics today; but I learnt not to paint a brush against all. This morning he flies out and I'm hoping I can capture this feeling for a long time. At 55 years old and like many Catholics I haven't paid much attention to my faith through my middle years; but now it seems to be raising it's importance in priority back into my life. Thanks for letting me share this moment. I know that religion is not hip with a lot of music people.........but hey when you see a final number total of over 800,000 people as one..........it changes your life.

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richie the brit

Subject: the rising

iv just bought the rising. what can i say without going into cliche overload?heartrending,uplifting,magnificent,one could go on forever pouring out superlatives in praise of this wonderful album. we all know the emotional genesis of the rising. suffice to say, this is a work of deep reflection and devotion on bruce's part. im simply lost for words.

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roz

Nice to have you back Jerry! You made more sense in one paragraph than anybody besides Bayou Sam has for days on end now. If you don't mind, I will correct your spelling...it's "Oh Brother, Where art Thou" altho It would be nice to find God too.

I will quote a wonderful movie made in 1965 "I'm glad to know that God and Jesus aren't really curse words. I love the church stuff but Roseanne, she won't have it on, and ol' Pa, he says religion's a lot of bunk."

Speakin' of movies. I saw "Songs From the Second Floor" this weekend. Very interesting film...nothin' like you've ever seen before. I can't seem to get enough of "Sweet and Lowdown" My favorite Woody Allan picture. My favorite used to be"The Purple Rose of Cairo" but it's changed!

There seems to be a lot of pyro-maniac's in this place. It's pretty obvious, maybe you's oughta try another approach. I actually hope the remaining members of The Band don't ever look into this guestbook They would without a doubt be quite ashamed of their fan base. The rest of this site is magnificent tho. It would be nice if the folks in here would stop re-enacting the last couple of months of The Original Band's career( anger, name calling, stuff like that) and go back to 1961 and re-enact that instead! It would be refreshing.

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Neil Diamond

Been gone for a week and I see we are rehashing the same ole shit, my God (and even he gets trashed in here) havnt you folks beaten the shit out of Diamond enough already, if I hear one more GBer say "what was Neil Diamond doing on TLW" Im gonna puke, this is a dead horse if Ive ever seen one.... anywho, rented a few flicks, "Monsters Balls" is very good, "The Shipping News" is right there... "Black Hawk Down" Band related..."Oh God Where Art Though" good movie and music..."The Royal Tannanbaums" if thats how ya spell it like I give a shit, is also really good.. so there ya have it from the balconey.. AND BY THE WAY, WAY TOO MANY FOLKS IN HERE TAKING THEMSELVES WAYYYYY TOO SERIOUSLY, LIGHTEN UP ALREADY......

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Bayou Sam

"Once upon a passing night dream

he beheld a mystic image bathed in blue reflection.

Then he stood and made his song,

closed his eyes to hear the thunder

echo like a wave around him;

love was in this strange house,

and he knew he did belong, yes he did belong.

Yes I will, 'deed I will. If I can."

- Neil Diamond

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Chris D.

Subject: The written word....

Just a quick word of praise. Everyday of my life I visit the "Guestbook". I scroll through the usual informative, uninformative, musically historical, uninteresting, same old Neil Diamond bashing, Levon & Robbie Feud, Great G-Man stuff(and I mean that) and I'm looking for something more. I'm forever looking for that entry with a "Butch" tag on it. For my taste, the Hemingway of the Guestbook is Butch. I always feel like I was at the latest show and he writes what I want to here. Hey Butch, why don't you write a book? O.K., maybe Hemingway was a stretch, but as the "Siskel & Ebert" of the Road Shows, your the King. Hey, so I've had a few beers and a couple tokes, who's watching. P.S..- maybe you can talk Amy into showing up for the Annapolis show!!!! Hearing her sing "Shake a Hand", for a music lover, is just one of those times!!!!! Take care!!!!!!!!

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Jenny T

I thought everyone started off with the walking blues bass line or whatever it is called. But if I were learning, I would start with My City Was Gone by the Pretenders. I could hear that bass line all day, and it doesn't sound too hard--bomp, boomp, doopa dee doo.

Interesting Robbie's comments and Caledonia's thoughts on the stampeding cattle line in IMND. I love that song because it describes the total misery of heartbreak and who hasn't been there once or twice? But the stampeding cattle always rang false for me unless I thought of it as just going mental--feeling like your obsessive thoughts are out of control and rattling your own cage, the walls of your head. Though when I'm in a bad mood outside noises and vibrations really get on my nerves--like a weedwhacker seems like a hornet nest up close and personal. It can't be taken too literally because if you've really got cattle stampeding by your house I would think you'd forget about your pain for 5 minutes to see what the hell is going on out there, esp. if you have put a lot of effort into your garden.

Brown Eyed Girl: I love Independence Day too, and I think Bruce was always really powerful when he wrote about his unresolved issues with his father. My Father's House on Nebraska is very moving--where he goes to see his father to reconcile but he doesn't even live in the house anymore they have been estranged so long. I think he said some time his father died before they were able to sort out their differences.

Ilkka: That is a very powerful song, Sounds of Silence. I never learned to play it on anything (it would have suffered on clarinet, esp. with my lackluster playing) but we did sing it in 5th grade circa '72 so I get pretty nostalgic about it too.

And I'm sure lots of GBers thank Duane W. Rutter for the info on TLW in Simcoe a while back--I'm going to hunt for the article.

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G-Man

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butch

Subject: memphis blues again,,,,

so to avoid the construction,,,on I-40,, i took a parallel route,, arkansas 70 & there i finally found my PEACH FRIED PIES !!!!!!!!!!!,,MMMMMMMMMM,, watta great country,,,

as we pulled into memphis, the barbecue smell is overpowering,, a great welcome,,,,

our venue that night was the GIBSON Guitar Factory's showcase room, The Lounge,,,very's 60's Copacabana look but in this century,,,,ahhh,, The Memphis version of the russian tea room in black,,

after loadin, we all scattered,, chris & pat off to Beale for dinner , me & sarli lookin for old records,,, & Levon & amy just got there,,, Retired football player Dave Burnette did the bookings there & annalee & Tiny & Dr Phillip,,& many others from the memphis clan,,

the show kicked off on time,,, & Levon had made a full recovery & was SLAMMIN',,, he loves to play live & is really on the mark with his drumming,,,,,, He feels a musicians job is to get on a stage & play for the people,, get em dancin, he says, rub some blues on it,,, & life gets a little better for that time,,, Patty & Chris LOVE memphis & always turn it up a notch or two,, cause the Memphis crowd knows their blues,

Lo & Behold,,, Joe Mulherin & his Golden Trumpet walked in from a gig @ The Orpheum,, & off they went into Let The Good Times Roll, just the trumpet & Joe really let it all hang out !!! that GRRRRRROWL,,, whew !!!!!!!!

everyone was groovin by now & Dave Maxwell took some monsterous solos on Shake A Hand with amy singin her tush off,,, Sarli's bass on the bottom,, sheer delight,,,

the crowd was on its feet & roarin for mo' & they got a couple,,,

we all were visiting with the folks & Levon was signing & posing for pictures like he was runnin for office,,,

all in all a fun & triumphant coupla gigs,,,,,,

all the folks from the old days were askin about weider & Rando,, & down there the bad guy really does wear black,,,so they bashed him a bit,,, & we were all laughing,, cause AnnaLee Knows !!!!!!!!!

the fellas are hotter than ever, i think, ( sorry but amy only came with us for the "Down Home Gigs",,, we're still a quartet,,,so far,,,,,

off i went the next mornin,, had the top down all the way into Kentucky, up the western Ky Pky & the Bluegrass pky,, but when i hit W.Va,, the thunderstorms & lightening,, kinda slowed me down to 80,,, triple lightening bolts,,,

then 79 thru w.Va,, & into maryland to Pa ( thinking about the miners who were still underground,, bless their hearts ) to home,,,whew,,,

Saabs are the best !!!!!!!,, 2800 miles & she didnt even burp,,,

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molly girl

Subject: gazza

gazza... just wondering how you are doing. How's the music shop? I enjoyed talking with you...., molly

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G-Man

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Harry

Subject: The Band & "Louie, Louie"

Please, someone, get BWNWIT some help........

Butch - Thanks for the "road journal" - what better geographic locale than Memphis for The Levon Helm Blues Band to strut their stuff?!?! Glad to hear Miss Amy is back onstage belting out tunes with the boys again. LH - get well soon.

"The mighty, majestic Albert Hall pipe organ" was put through its' paces by the MOI on "Uncle Meat" (part of FZ's theory of "conceptual continuity", dontcha know?); however, I cannot conceive of The Band even CONSIDERING that lame, garage band tune for inclusion on "Moondog Matinee." Compare the inane, banal, junior high school band images that this most "simple" of rock&roll tunes conjures up with those of the sublime, final choices thankfully made for what HAS TO BE the finest "cover" album of all time (worth the price of admission for even one of the 10 excellently chosen and performed songs). "I'm Ready", ALONE, is enough to send any r&r music fan into paroxysms of euphoria equal to (or greater than) any other "art" created by the hearts, minds, (and hands) of man. "Louie, Louie" (even if performed by a group of The Bands' stature) is more suited to a mindless, sloppy drunk frat-house basement bachannal (as so eloquently represented in the 1978 movie "Animal House")and WOULD NOT MERIT CONSIDERATION on such an impressive "anthology" as "Moondog Matinee" has proven itself to be over the last (almost) 30 years.

One of a SELECT FEW "cover" albums to even approach "MM" territory - "Jerry Lee Lewis - The Complete Palomino Club Recordings" - and that is some EXALTED COMPANY, my music loving friends.

OK, kiddies, time to go back to the infighting and personal insults that have turned reading the GB into a bad version of "The Jerry Springer Show."

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Charlie Young

Subject: Organs...and Louie Again

First of all, I am impressed that Pat Brennan even got to touch Van the Man's organ (his Hammond B-3, that is), let alone play it.

Second, Peter, yes it was on UNCLE MEAT that Zappa released his short snippet of "Louie, Louie," but it was the great Don Preston at the mighty pipe organ of the Royal Albert Hall. I'd like to see what Garth could do with one of those suckers...

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carmen

Subject: Great Boss Article

http://www.time.com/time/sampler/article/0,8599,331979,00.html

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Nick

Mr. Viney, There you go again. Your comparions of Neil Diamond and the Band is a complete reach. Neil Diamond is the epitomy of commercial slop and mentioning him in the same breath as The Band is an insult. Give it up.

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Bayou Sam

Great news about those miners. It's nice to have something good like that happen in a world where so many bad things seem to be happening.

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Dave Z

Thanks Butch... Nice to hear mention of Amy again too... Luv her voice...

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Rick S.

Subject: Richard Manuel CD

I'm really enjoying the Richard Manuel CD, "Whispering Pines." Thank you to Andy Robinson and to the Manuel family for letting the project go forward. Excellent quality production. It captures Richard's musicianship so well. Although his solo pieces are great my favorite selections are those with Rick Danko. They meld their voices as if they were brothers. Thanks to all who contributed on this project.

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Peter Viney

Charlie- you are right, in that Chuck Berry’s ‘Havana Moon’ was recorded in April 1956 and Richard Berry’s ‘Louie Louie’ was also written in April 1956, which is a close call, but Richard Berry had said in 1956 “I always wanted to write a song like Havana Moon”. The immediate inspiration was Ray Tzouet’s “El Loco Cha Cha’ which had been around, and Dave Marsh points to the antecedents of ‘Havana Moon; too- 1943’s ‘One For My Baby’ (sung by Fred Astaire) and 1949’s “Calypso Blues” by Nat King Cole. Marsh also points out that Louis “Caldonia” Jordan had the chorus “Louie Louie Louie” on his 1946 hit “Run Joe”, Caldonia makes The Band link, not that they would have played it, but the song ‘Louie Louie’ has had a greater impact than ‘Crazy Mama’. So which Zappa record is it on? Without checking, I’d guess ‘Uncle Meat’ with Ian Underwood on the Rotyal Albert Hall organ.

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Richard

Subject: Thanks Butch / Josh White ?

Thanks Butch for that report on Levon in the south. It gave me a real flavor for what the trip must have been like. I'm indeed quite jealous of you catching that gig with the Memphis Horns. Now if they can mesh that well, that fast at a party, what would a couple of days with that line-up in the studio be like? Actually, somebody ought to have taped that party a la "Breeze Hill".

A question for the blues scholars on the site. Can anyone give me a little background on bluesman Josh White? What is the best disc to buy? etc. Thanks for any help. I'm hung up right now on a song by him called "While the Blood's Running Warm in Your Veins" that is just great. Thanks.

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butch

Subject: fried pies & arkansas peaches

well, never disapoint a woman,,,,, so,,,,,,,,,

for me,, to go down south, is to go to a place where life is really enjoyed,,, a place where relaxation is king !!!! a nice switch from the Noreth East,, hustle & bustle,,,

Levon & Amy rode together & i took my own car,, i needed to go at my own pace cause of my medical situation i do the road a bit differently,,,

Had the top down all the way,, 1422 miles to Little Rock,, stopped & got peaches outside of W.Memphis ( arkansas), drippin juice,,, & so perfect,, got me all the way into Little Rock,

our benefactor ( the LR gig was a private party ) put us up in the PEABODY - Little Rock,,, the Peabody is the Queen of the South ,, Southern Hospitality @ its best !!!

the Memphis Horns drifted in ,,,,Jim & Jack & Joe,,,three of the best ever,, CHOPS !!!!!!!!!!!!! man they didnt even need the charts,,, they just exude music,,, & what i learn talkin with them,, they played with EVERYONE !! King Curtis Aretha The Doobies,Otis Redding Ray Charles, The Band & so many more,,, Jack Hale is on OVER 300 GOLD RECORDS ,,, that aint chopped liver,

plus we had david maxwell, James Cotton's amazing pianist,,& Amy Helm too, cause whats a trip to arkansas w/o another Helm,,,

musically,, the Barn Burners were BURNIN !!!!!!!!!! they opened with Let The Good Times Roll, & the horns were scorching from the downbeat !!! ( Levon had a stomach virus that was killin him, but ya'd NEVER know it,,)

Levon led that band from his kit & the audience danced the night away,,, Southerners know how to enjoy the blues,, DANCE !!! BABY, DANCE !!!!

with Amy duetting with chris,,,on originals & blues classics,, they just knocked that blue-blooded audience on theyre bar-b - q'd butts,,,

Pat Summerall was the MC & he was dancin with mary berry & ya couldnt get him off the dance floor,, Levon was stormin the barricades with his army of cats,, cause when all was said & done,,, Levon & The Barn Burners won the battle & the war !!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff Sarli has slid into Levon's groove like he played their forever,,, a GREAT Bull Fiddle plyr,,, & a very cool stage presence,,,,he & Levon get locke into that rhythm trance,, & man it is a beautiful thing to behold,,,

By the time Chris & Amy finishe the Grass Is Always Greener, & the band intros,, it was time for us to go,, the buffet was waiting,,,

we all schmoozed a bit with AnnaLee ( yes THAT AnnaLee)& PB , & Big Dave Burnette, etc,,,& then back to the Peabody & the ducks,,,

Off to Memphis,,,NEXT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oh, yeah...

(Just in case.)

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Back with no dickhead in Tennessee

Kay, while I'm glad you are capable of defending yourself unaided, please let me know when you have in fact dealt with any of the people here, because all of my queries to you after you called me (and others) "anonymous weasles" went unanswered. In fact, I'm glad to see you back, also, because I had worried that maybe something happened to you, having heard nothing from you until Butch's return.

JTull, I have a feeling that the GB's version of Paul probably spent quite a bit of time in Father Mullin's "Rectory," so to speak.

Finally, Butch, I'd just like to add that God is pretend, prayer has no place in public schools, George W. Bush is a crook, America is the Great Satan, increasing welfare is the only way to save this country, we need to go back to being isolationists, Israel doesn't need our support, Steve Earle is the greatest songwriter to live, and that Bill Clinton was the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln.

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Amanda

Subject: Notes from the Tidal Pool

Rollie: Your last post says it all. I always appreciate your awareness efforts and this time you very simply, absolutely got it. Thanks! I know that we all rise each morning hoping and praying (some of us) that nothing too nauseating has transpired while we were off in dreamland. With every ounce of b*** s*** that Americans are dealing with now, the rock-solid efforts of the rescuers and miners in PA...that was hand-made and homegrown American SOUL! I say YEE HAW! I know there is great strength and spirit in other countries too. I am not trying to knock the rest of the world. I'm just glad I was BORN IN THE U.S.A.

It does my heart good to know that I live in a country where any kind of debate is possible, but if your not going to use money that has "God" printed on it...send it to me instead...I have three children to put through college ;o)!!

Dearest Butch...PLEASE tell us all about the SOUTHERN shows...you know I am just waitin' to hear. I hope Levon is feeling better. I stayed up late watching TLW DVD last night and you know how the mind sometimes wanders...I was wondering if Levon still has that see through (thru) shirt he wore that night ;o)...

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Charlie Young

Subject: If "Louie, Louie" Had Been on MOONDOG MATINEE...

Can't we get back, get back, get back to the MUSIC here, people?

Anyway, Peter, if "Louie, Louie" had been recorded for The Band's MOONDOG MATINEE collection (which it wouldn't have been because the boys always had better material than that--even "Crazy Mama"), who would have sung it? My vote would go to a duet between Robbie and Garth because it would have been a waste of the fine singing voices of Rick, Richard or Levon. I always thought that song was an inarticulate knock-off of Chuck Berry's far superior "Havana Moon."

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Pat Brennan

After a show in Galway, I got into a conversation with a group of people who saw Dylan and the boys at the Isle of Wight. I mentioned a pict I saw of Richard at a nearby nightclub and discovered it was on their website. Then, they told me that someone had a tape of Richard sitting in with the local band. Yipes! I arranged for a trade and have kept my fingers crossed ever since.

Speaking of Galway, I played Van Morrison's Hammond B3. It was one of the sweetest sounding B's I've ever touched.

In regards to an earlier thread, I think its pretty obvious that The Band steered away from the blues forms that a lot of groups were adopting in the late 60's, much to their credit. Mystery Train might be the only blues tune (and that's a bit of a stretch) that they recorded prior to TLW.

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Crabgrass

Where was the "Hand of God" when those planes hit the WTC? Was He scratching His backside with it?

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JTull Fan

Subject: GB Whiners

It is truly amazing how certain GB posters love to pick fights, and when they finally get some back they turn into snivelling, surprised little crybabies. "Patriotism.Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah..." The response is as predictable as the sound the Pillsbury DoughBoy makes when a finger is stuck in his tummy. It reminds me of this obsnoxious kid I spent 8 LONG years with at catholic school. He was the type who always was the first to volunteer first to help Father Mullins with this, Father Proulx with that...(and I start to wonder about that given recent headlines!),just the favorite, kiss-ass kid. During gym, he always pushed the rules, making harder than necessary body contact etc. He was fairly chubby, so it wasn't like he was physically threatening in a scary sort of way to the point of taking my lunch, but just really obnoxious, and wouldn't back off. Well, during one game of indoor soccer in grade eight, he just slams me into a wall, and without even thinking about it, 'Bam!' I landed one right on his nose. So, he is on the ground with a bloody nose and tears streaming down his face, and I am off to Sister Ethel's office. I got banned from gym for the balance of the year (If I knew that would happen I would have hit him in the first grade) and Paul got the 'reward' of being head helper to Father Mullins for the church carnival. But the similarity is so similar: the class bully who is totally shocked when someone gives it back to them, and expects the world to jump to their aid. Well, maybe the world did come to Paul's aid, but if I had the choice of spending the day in Sister Ethel's secretaries office or Father Mullin's Rectory, well I think I got the better deal!

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Kay

Subject: Butch's post

Hey Butch, welcome back. Thanks for your concern, but please don't worry on my behalf. Dealing with one idiot with multiple aliases would be like shooting fish in a barrel. But I make it a point not to converse with fools unless I'm getting paid for it.

I hope you change your mind about the trip report. Most of us really want to read it.

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Fred

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Viney! Marley! Neil! Pat!

Peeeeeeta!.....As my Carib friends would call ya....Just bought the August Mojo featuring the one and only......BOB NESTA MARLEY!.....and 20 reggae classics CD included.....I don't even have some of these songs......Oh and since ya mentioned Neil again.....You're such an agitator....lol...The whole Robbie quote regarding Neil's inclusion in TLW was actually.....DON'T TELL MEEEEEE WHAT DOESN'T WORK! I'LL SHOW YOUUUUUUU WHAT WORKS! I like how the song builds.....and everytime I see him wearing his sequinned shirts I can hear him say fuck the press and those who don't like what I wear!......Just to piss everyone off even more I'm going to wear more of them!.....Yup!.....Even Diamond had a fuck you attitude.....just like The Band.....lol......Anyway.....The Mud's performance was absolutely brilliant......stage shaking! (Rollie's Hero) andy yes Peter it was Rollie who was playing on the sound byte.....There's room for all kinds of music in this world......isn't there? BTW....I'm listening to your other fave.....Van....SOUL LABYRINTH LIVE.....Lucky you!!!......You'll be seeing Van on August 3......Please tell him the Canadian dollar will be up.....real......soon.....;-D.....I've only seen Van once......not enough!!!!!!!

Pat: Hey! Even Steve Earle is getting his reggae groove on these days.....with some help....JOHNNY TOO BAD on SIDETRACKS...I hope he didn't lose his temper......I'm sure you could tell us if he did....:-D

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rosalind

Somerset Pennsylvania is a smiling place today! While the pope was riding around in his go-cart with that stick up his back and mumbling into a mic up in Toronto, The Hand of God was was down in the coal mines of Beautiful Southern Pa! Thank you Jesus! End of Sunday morning testimony.

This is a nice world-wide place to come and type feelings down. Thanks Webmaster!

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butch

as i settle into a Sunday reading of the GB postings that i missed while on the road,,,& gettin ready to write a review of the Little Rock & Memphis gigs,,,,

i see the mindless-nameless-gutless forces are at it again,,,

such brave men & women to wiat till im gone again,,,

oh well,,, I had a great time as did the fellas & amy,, but since nowifedickhead & the fake named poster left a bad taste ,,

PICKING ON A WOMAN,, ????? a new LOW even for these neanderthals,,,,,,

you aint fit to shine Kay's shoes,,,,,, dirtbags,,,,,

people like you make this a less than pefect place,,,

waitin for the "response",, from the legends in their own minds,,,,

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Peter Viney

lka – it’s a fair old leap from playing ‘On the Road Again’ to ‘Sounds of Silence’ as your second number. We had this talk years ago occassioned by some magazine survey on the first tune guitarists / bass guitarists had learned and played in public in the early 60s – wasn’t ‘Walk Don’t Run’ the winner? Canned Heat moves us to the late 60s, but it would have been a nice untaxing start on bass, and easier than Walk Don’t Run, except for the danger of repetitive strain injury.

Simple riffs remind me - during the week, there was an odd swipe here at Dave Marsh’s book on ‘Louie Louie’ (which I like). I see that Ace has just released a 24 track ‘Louie Louie’ compilation (out of the 300 plus possible covers). The Rhino compilation (Best of Louie Louie)which I have has only 10 tracks, so it could be worth getting another one. The Rhino leads with the unforgettable version by ‘The Rice University Marching Owl Band.’ At the time, I mentioned that many British people (knowing only The Kingsmen version) were likely to call it ‘LouiEEE Lou-ai’ while I’ve only ever heard Americans call it ‘LouiEEE LouiEEE’.

Sam Chaz; Surely you understand Neil Diamond's significnace to The BAND. The Band played a type of music that combined strong melodies (Neil), avoided loud guitar leads (after 1966 at least) in favour of several instruments balancing each other out with lots of space (Neil). Tuneful, rich-voiced interesting lyrics (Neil) and they weren't 12 bar bores (Ten Years After) singing songs in a fake bluesman accent (Rolling Stones) or appearing on Levis adverts (Muddy Waters *). I, and about a five other Band fans,understand the difference between Neil and the rest! Neil can S-I-N-G. Much like the Band.

* Pity that, because like Hoochie Coochie Man, The Joker and others, The Weight would have been wonderful on a Levi’s ad.

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Jon Bjarne

Subject: Ain't No More Cane

I am a huge fan of the Band. It's only six months since I bought my first record, but now I'm addicted. My favorite songs are Rockin' Chair and King Harvest.

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Ilkka

Paul Simon played in Pori Jazz Festival (www.porijazz.fi) for some time ago. The sun hardly goes down up there in this time of the year. Usually it gets dark here in Europe between 9 and 10. The climax in Paul Simon's repertoire was Sound Of Silence in the dark but the sun did shine like in French Riviera when he started: "Hello darkness my old friend..."

Beside of this anticlimax there was a lot of nostalgia (please don't tell Kalervo! :-) in the air. I had learned the bass line in Sound Of Silence in the sixties as my _second_ song only a few miles from this concert arena. BTW the first was "On The Road Again", you know BM-BM-BMMMMM-BM-BMMMMMM over and over again. BTW2: Where is Canned Heat in this forum??????

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rollie

Somerset Pennsylvania did this country proud last night.Absolute, fucking American heroes and heroines.

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Peter Viney

1) Ben – where does “Little John” come from?

2) Charlie – good luck with ‘The Moon struck One’- if you’re really lucky, Bruce Hornsby might do it as an instrumental-only version! Calvin – One reason ‘The moon struck one’ doesn’t exist on the reissue is that it wasn’t played at TLW in the first place. It is of course on the reissue of Cahoots. Did anyone ever do it live?

3) No hidden agenda- just thought this was a funny / funny peculiar item: There was a book review of “Measuring America” on Friday- it’s about how America was surveyed with chains (i.e. 22 yards) and how in the frozen winter the chains were heated each morning on log fires to get them to expand to the exact length. Anyway, it seems the main divide in the early 19th century was between those states and counties that disliked accurate measures and relied on custom / local knowledge (my land goes as far as that stand of trees up on the ridge), and those that defined property boundaries to the exact inch. This then turns out to be the Civil War dividing line. So a new theory of the Civil War is implicit! Freedom from tape measures versus imposition of surveyed boundaries. They never taught that one in American history. The chain is also the unit on which New York city blocks are based and more importantly, the distance between the wickets on a cricket pitch. (The reviewer then makes a snide remark about Enron and George W. Bush both choosing to locate themselves in areas where accurate measure was not traditionally a priority, but the review was in The Guardian).

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sam chaz

BWMNITENN; Surely you understand Muddy's significnace to The BAND as oppossed to Neil Diamond's. THeBand played a type of music that combined Blues(Muddy), Loud Guitar Leads and Licks(Muddy)Gravely voiced, raw, emotional,down to earth lyrics for everyman(Muddy)and they weren't geeky lounge lizards(Neil)singing syrupy songs about America in order to appear on Fourth of July television specials(Neil) or writing songs for supermarket aisle strolling (I.E. Red Red Wine)! I, and about a million other Band fans,understand the difference between Neil and Muddy! One has H-E-A-R-T! Much like the Band.

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Bashful Bill

Just saw Bonnie's post putting the word out on Nitty Gritty, great news that they are playing again. I wasn't lucky eough to catch that show-but-a few hours ago RRbasher extrordinaire G-Man and I saw the Jim Weider Band in a garish, but cool, new club in Hamilton NY, about an hour southeast of Syracuse. They had a great time putting on a great show, and were real well-recieved. Real loose, and playing even better than last time I saw them, which was at at Sackett's Harbor. They even debuted a new tune for their encore, well actually a new Dylan cover, and hinted at a few new things in their bag of tricks. Rick S will be happy to know that Jim&Randy& other caring individuals paid off all those bartabs you skipped on a "few" years ago, so you can finally return to your alma mater. The owner fell in love with them, and plans on having them back, so keep an eye their touring dates.

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Calvin

Subject: Moon Struck One

Anybody ever read No Depression, its more or less the definative mag for the music labeled Alt-Country. Well in the July/August issue both the DVD and Box Set for the Last Waltz were reviewed. During the review the writer mentioned the one thing he would kill to have on the Re-Issue doesnt exist, Richard singing Moon Struck One. I'm going to have to really give it a listen tommorrow.

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twilight

Charlie - "patriotism is the last refuge, to which a scoundrel clings. steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king." dylan - sweetheart like you, 82. rollie, pat - let's not start questioning the "integrity" administration. snot running down his nose (indian name) might ban us or start shouting again (why does he use ! marks all the time? does it make the message more urgent? is it enthusiasm?). t roz - thanks for sparing us your offspring. look out cleveland, storm is comin through. i'm heading for a rock as well.

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rosalind

As the Excitable Boy himself once sang: "I Predict this Motel will be Standing...Until I Pay My Bill!"

Pat..darlin',You may indeed call me roz..

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Charlie Young

Subject: The OTHER Bruce at Wolf Trap (& a "Crabby" comment)

I'll be at Wolf Trap's Filene Center on Monday night for a gig by Bruce Hornsby and his band. Bruce usually allows fans to pass him written requests during his concerts, and he will often give those songs a try--even if they are other artist's tunes. Among the Band-related songs that have turned up on Hornby's incredibly varied setlists over the last sixteen years are "Acadian Driftwood," "Evangeline," "Life is a Carnival," "Long Black Veil," "Mystery Train," "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down," "Don't Do It" and "The Weight." Maybe I'll throw him a curve on Monday and pass up a slip of paper with "The Moon Struck One" written on it. Of course, knowing Hornsby, he might just slip into the Gil Evans arrangement without missing a beat.

Hey Crabby: I saw an editorial page cartoon that had the words to the Pledge of Allegiance changed to "One Nation Under GREED" in this post-Enron/Worldcom/etc. America. I have a friend who works as a librarian in a maximum security jail and he tells me about the poor people in the slammer doing time for stuff like passing bad checks. Meanwhile the ex-CEO of one of those companies is busy overseeing the construction of his fifteen million dollar mansion. Ain't that America?

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Crabgrass

Subject: In God We Trust - ALL OTHERS PAY CA$H

I have modified my philosophical stance and would find the phrases "under God, if He/She exists" acceptable in the Pledge and "In God We Trust, if He/She exists." acceptable on US currency, etc.

Now, let me get back to more important matters - like finding that big rock!!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Bonnie & Bruce (but not together)

Bonnie: I have found Wolftrap to be THE finest venue for a live concert. Seen Dylan, Ringo Starr, and J. Tull there. Going to see BB King next month. Beautiful acoustics, and you can bring in your own food and drink! You can even phone in your catering order ahead of time and pick it up when you enter. Such a nice juxtaposition to the 8 dollar Bud lights and 6 dollar stale pretzels you are stuck with everywhere else. On Bruce, yes, some of his early lyrics do echo of Robbie Robertson, but given his young age at the time, I see it more a case of having excellent taste than borderline plagarism. All artist borrow heavily early in there careers (look at Dylan, and The Beatles' 'I'd rather see you dead little girl'line, borrowed from Elvis)but few are as mature as Bruce was from the starting gate. CHARLIE IN VA: Thanks for the defense of Moon Struck One. Again, not my favorite but an undeserving bogeyman as far as I am concerned.

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Bonnie

Subject: live music recommendations

Last weekend was dedicated to live music at Wolf Trap (National Park for the Performing Arts -open air venue) On Sat. I saw Eddie From Ohio while I Sun I saw The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band reunion tour concert. Both concerts are highly recommended.

EFO is a primarily a local band, and has been voted by the Washington Area Music Ass. as the best local group of 2001 & 2002. They have also been rated as the best contemporty folk group by that association since 1998. I have heard them described as The Grateful Dead meet Peter Paul and Mary. However,no matter how they are described I consider them just plain rock and roll. And if they ever come to your area they are well worth a listen.

The Dirt Band (country or rock?) were also very good. This is the first time in over fifteen years that John McEuan has traveled with the band along with the rest of the original cast, and they still put on a tremendous show. Although the audience for the Dirt Band was about 2/3 the size of that for EFO the noise volume and audience participation equalled or surpassed that EFO. They clearly came to enjoy themselves and they did.

BR

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Pat Brennan

Roz, day 1: "Steve Earle has this tendency to only see things from one side ( Ellis Unit No.1) He also has an anger management problem."

Roz, day 2: "Twilight's a teacher? Glad I have no children to be indoctrinated with this liberal trash those folks grind into our youth every single day! As for this God bashing from the 9th circuit sect this place is infested with. Cocky intellect has a tendency to make you think you know everything. I'm at least smart enough to know that I don't! What if there IS a God? What if it's all true? You going to hide behind a big rock and try to talk your way out? Good Luck...You'll need it!" Seeing things from one side, angrily.

Someone explain how that "eye of a needle" thing relates to Haliburton.

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Pete McD

Subject: TLW

Saw "The Last Waltz" last night...best concert film I have ever seen

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Duane W. Rutter

Hi everyone, It's been a long time since my last post but I'm in the middle of a recording session in Ithaca NY and on a break we were watching TLW on DVD and I had to add this little tidbit to the guest book. A while back,before any of us knew about the re-release of TLW, I was contacted by the Simcoe Lynwood Arts people. They were about to screen TLW in the Strand theatre using a very well worn original theatrical release of the film. I was honoured by them to be asked to make some comments before the showing.Please e-mail me if you're interested in my credentials to be asked to do such a thing, Anyway the evening was simply wonderful. The theatre was filled with relatives of Rick as well as former bandmates of him who had played with him in the years prior to his signing on with Ronnie. Also, the event had been advertized on the CBC, who also had contacted me to do an on air interview to promote the event. Folks... the CBC is Canada's link to all things that are not readily promoted by the mainstream commercial media...sort of like the US NPR...and there were many people who had travelled great distances to attend the screening of the film in Rick's hometown because they had heard the interview on the radio.They were not disappointed. Every time Rick was shown on the screen the place went nuts. It was hard to tell who was cheering after every song: the film audience or the theatre audience.Also it was great to interact with members of the Danko family who had many stories to tell of Rick's generosity toward's his family right up until his untimely demise. I am posting this because I hadn't seen this event discussed in the guestbook. If you look up my name in many search engines you will get the interview that I and many Simcoe natives had done at that time. I must say that , much to my surprise, there is another Duane Rutter who is also a musician/artist that is much younger than me. The article that I did with the Simcoe Reformer was written by a fellow named Trevor Hache. There was also a follow up article with pics of me and Rick's pre-Ronnie drummer written by Monte Sonnenberge..spelling of the names may be wrong but it should point you in the right direction if you're interested. Well it's time to get back to recording.I hope you all find this interesting and please don't hesitate to e-mail me with any question's or comments. Keep the faith!!

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Ben Pike

Little John

I will always be Little John for I was taken young not by hand, or blade, or angry misplaced gun

I stuck my hand in a rathful stump

where it found a leathal serpent

And now I drift along the bend

and watch my burdoned sister

take in washing, clean her shelves and cry in the back of our busted down car

sorrowful with no flying tears

only falling tears

and then back to the vast empty house.

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jq

Subject: Garth's improvisations

Garth seems to go at his keyboards (is the accordian a keyboard instrument?) in a style that is much more free-form than his horn playing. I really like his sax playing, that heavy air is so much more emotive than what is passing as modern jazz today; the Kenny G crowd - that's more like musak to me. But I've never heard Garth explore much when he plays sax solos on live stuff compared to the keyboards. My question is, for those who have seen his recent shows, does he stick to a rigid sax program or does he take off?

Did he ever take a swing at the didgeridoo? I'd bet he could take that instrument to new heights.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Richard's Voice & Robbie & Springsteen

Richard Manuel was such a fine singer that even a lesser Robbie Robertson composition such as "The Moon Struck One" could be transformed into a worthwhile musical experience. I have listened to that song a number of times in the last couple of days and I think that's it's growing on me after thirty years. Between Richard's singing and Garth's absolutley mesmerizing B-3 work on the track, it is beginning to transcend the lyrical clumsiness. Speaking of that, here are the passages from that song (possibly the weakest part of the lyric) and the section of Springsteen's "Spirit in the Night" with some similarities in feel and vocabulary:

"...little John was stung by a snake over by the lake...it looked like he's really, really hurt...lyin' in the dirt..." -Robbie Robertson, 1971

"...Hazy Davy got really hurt, he ran into the lake in just his socks and a shirt...me and Crazy Janey was makin' love in the dirt..." -Bruce Springsteen, 1972

Of course, Springsteen also borrowed "Crazy Jane and her mission man" in the same some from the great Irish poet, William Butler Yeats, so Robbie is in good company.

I heard a few songs from Springsteen's new CD on the radio this week and his singing has never sounded stronger. He'll never be a Richard Manuel, but he can sing circles around Robbie...

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JTull Fan

Subject: Out of The Blue (The band's, not ELO's!)

That is definately Robbie singing on Out Of The Blue, as well as on The Last Waltz theme, along with Richard. I always thought that, as he realized The Band was wrapping things up, he may have regretted not doing more vocals and he was trying to make up for lost time. Pepote Rouge also features a Robbie vocal along with Levon. If he was considering a future solo career at this time, it also makes sense to get the vocal exposure. I think Rick could have done a fine job with Out of The Blue as well.

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biffalo bull

this may be a dumb question, but is that robbie that sings on out of the blue, and would it not have been a whole lot better with richard manuel singing

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twilight

Subject: Bayou Sam

Somehow I new you would understand.

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rosalind

As for this God bashing from the 9th circuit sect this place is infested with. Cocky intellect has a tendency to make you think you know everything. I'm at least smart enough to know that I don't! What if there IS a God? What if it's all true? You going to hide behind a big rock and try to talk your way out? Good Luck...You'll need it!

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Bayou Sam

Twilight = thanks for posting that link to Eric Idles speech at George Harrison's induction into the Hollywood Bowl Hall of Fame. It was great.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Twilight

I'd respond to Twilight's last posting but I am too busy enjoying my jacuzzi tub within my suburban home secure in the knowledge that my home security system will alert me to intruders as I consume my Virginia Wine (Gray Ghost for you locals).I guess this makes me dangerous to him. It's scary that parents must trust their children to teachers of his ilk. Definately the strongest argument yet for school vouchers!

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Marc Thomson

THANK-YOU....

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Caledonia

Ray Pence: Thank you for the quick response regarding TLW audio commentaries. I also liked GH's accordian jokes and LH's story regarding Pops Staples. I wish there were full audio commentaries w/GH and LH (similar to RR's commentary). That would be interesting!

I'd like to pick up on an earlier discussion regarding "It Makes No Difference." Specifically the line "stampeding cattle, they rattle the walls." The following quote appears in an article titled "The Return of Robbie Robertson" written by Bill Flanagan for Musician magazine in 1987. The full article can be found on this site under "Library":

"Everything you write is personal, y'know? You maybe try to disguise or hide what's real personal about it. What is 'Out of the Blue' if it's not personal? Or 'It Makes No Difference'?"

Yet "It Makes No Difference," from Northern Lights, is the perfect example of a Robbie Robertson love song. It's downright stoic in its stiff-upper-lipness. "There is no love as true as the love that dies untold." There's a truly strange distancing device in the bridge. Here is this heart-breaking song about soldiering on in the face of unbearable loneliness and suddenly the singer goes, "stampeding cattle, they rattle the walls." Now what is that if not a way for Robertson to distance himself - a way to say, "This is getting too close to the bone, I better stick in a distraction so people will think it's a song about some other guy, some old cowboy." Where the hell did the cattle stampede come from, Robbie?

"When I was writing that song," he says and interrupts himself; "It's nonsense that you think of these things but nonetheless you go through them - I'm writing and I'm thinking, 'Is this maybe getting a little too legitimate?' So I got to the bridge and I thought, 'Here's where I'll shuffle the deck a little bit.' I do remember at that point thinking, 'Here's where I get to make this song not just traditional, here's where I get to stir up some dust."

"I remember people saying for years, 'Y'know, I was thinking of recording that song but when I got to that line I didn't know what to do. I didn't know if I could deliver that.' But although I was looking to break out of that mood for a second and then come back to it, I wasn't at all saying, 'What can I say outrageous?' I wanted to shatter the silence. And the loneliest thing is this feeling that you're going crazy in this room - what could be stronger than stampeding cattle inside the walls? So in a kind of Luis Bunuel philosophy of images it made all the sense in the world to me. I just wanted to feel more of a rumble in the earth. Things were too still for me. I didn't want it to just become sad. I've always appreciated the violence in desolation as much as the helplessness."

The following quote appears in the same article. I thought it was highly amusing:

"Robbie Robertson's impeccable. He walks into an expensive restaurant overlooking the Pacific Ocean in Santa Monica; the hostess and waiters all know him, other diners send over drinks, he asks lots of follow up questions about the wine. The guy's obviously got it. He's completely on top of things. He was on the cover of Time magazine at twenty-five, he hangs out with Antonioni. The guy's impeccable. But the funny thing is, under the smooth exterior he's also the ex-carny, the kid who quit school when he turned sixteen to go on the road with rock & roll wildman Ronnie Hawkins. Everybody in this plush restaurant is squeezed at little tables. But not Robbie. He made reservations for one extra person so he'd get more room. As the waiters bring bread and more free drinks get sent by anonymous Band-lovers, Robbie continues to pretend that his friend must be just running late. He eventually says we'll order some hors d'oeuvres while we're waiting for our pal, and finally, when he's good and ready, he tells the waiter, okay, we'll order our meals and let him catch up later. And you've got to think this guy's immaculate. The bourgeois system is not set up to deal with articulate carnies in expensive clothes who use imaginary friends to get the big table."

A few people on the GB have recently asked about the bronzed guitar RR used at TLW. The following RR quote also appears in the above referenced Musician article:

"I've had this souped-up old Stratocaster quite a while. It has 'Number 254' on the back. You can tell it's old 'cause the neck's a little thick. Before I used it in TLW I had it bronzed, like baby shoes. That gave it a very thick, sturdy sound. A Stratocaster has three pickups; I had the one in the middle moved to the back with the other and tied them together. They have a different sound when they're tied together and I don't like having a pick-up in the middle, where you pick. I've got a Washburn whammy bar on that guitar."

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Donna

Subject: Main Point and Bruce

When I was a young teen, I would babysit for this wonderful couple. They would often frequent the Main Point, and I would listen to WMMR's live broadcast from there. I remember when Bruce played there, and at the time my favorite songs were Rosalita, East Street Shuffle, and Spirit in the Night. I was so happy just to be able to listen to the show on the radio! I knew every word to those songs, and amazingly enough I still remember every word to those songs today! :D

I am looking forward to seeing Garth play at the Point in October! Gary Burke filled in for Randy at the Turning Point last weekend, and he is just an amazing drummer!

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Seadog

Subject: The Greatest Group in the history of Rock

Thought I was an authority on the BAND until I came to find this site. It's a trip to read all of your posts, concerning the greatest. I had the opportunity to see the BAND a numeber of times. Has anyone ever asked Robbie, or the remaing members of the group for an interview on their web site. I'm sure many of us would be honored. Without a doubt the BAND was and still is the best music ever. Their albums could never capture the impact of their live performances, along with the professinalism as musicans. I'm really happy that I found this web site along with all of you.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Pledge / Mosques

I think that Congress should have been required to provide legal proof that there is a God before they stuck the phrase "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance. (This was done back in the 1950s during the McCarthy era btw.) Same goes for "In God We Trust" on currency and in courtrooms.

However, although I'm generally not in favor of promoting religion I think a federal law requiring that a mosque be constructed atop every building more than 40 stories tall makes good sense and will help keep property insurance rates on such edifices down.

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Long Distance Operator

Subject: You know what happens when you start having too much fun...

So I saw The Who tonight. Good show, but The Ox was sorely missed. Pino Palladino acquitted himself admirably on bass, but there is only one Thunderfingers.

Roger and Pete looked healthy and fit, which was nice. Roger was in fine voice, and Pete had his signature windmill going full force. Zack Starkey was on his game as well.

They didn't say much about Mr. Entwistle, but Pete did address the situation briefly. This isn't verbatim, but it's pretty close: "Most of us watch what we eat, what we drink, what we put into our bodies. Well, at least SOME of us are still here...(Wry smile, followed by cheers)... You may have heard the news today about the circumstances surrounding John's death. He was obviously having more fun than the rest of us! But of course, I'm not advocating that."

It was startlingly candid, but I've come to expect nothing less from the inimitable Mr. Townshend.

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twilight

Robin Williams had a great idea for solving the problem with the pledge of allegiance - instead of "under god", we could say "under canada, over mexico"

"innocent americans" is an interesting use of words. "guilty americans" wouldn't be any better. Terrorism takes many forms, 9/11 being it's most dramatic. They still print 3 obituaries a day in our local paper, and they are hard to get through. When Bayou Sam gives an update on the site and the change in the skyline, there's a real sense of loss. I think we could do a lot more to battle terrorism by changing our own lives. I'd take big government over big business any day, but with big business' incredible "influence" on government, seems like there is no choice. Part of false patriotism is taking things out of context and then blathering about it as if you are somehow more patriotic than others (a la aquaman).

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rollie

Is this a true patriot JW?Cheney Obstructs Justice - Threatens Process Server With Arrest From Judicial Watch 7-26-2 Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes public corruption, today reported that security staff at The White House threatened a process server with arrest over his attempt to serve Vice President Cheney with a complaint filed against him by Judicial Watch on behalf of shareholders of Halliburton. It is a crime to interfere with service of process... 'We have served many a lawsuit on Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton when they were in The White House. The Clinton White House accepted the papers. Never before have our process servers been threatened with arrest. If this Bush-Cheney White House is serious about corporate corruption and responsibility, it would not allow the VP to improperly hide behind White House security to evade service of process in the Halliburton securities fraud litigation, and it would not threaten the process server with arrest,' stated Judicial Watch Chairman Larry Klayman.

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JTull Fan

Subject: WTC link (sorry, forgot to post)

click on link and go to 'why rebuild' section and 'news too'.

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JTull Fan

Subject: WTC, reply to BWNWIT

Thanks for the comment! In the case of the WTC, I am going to be unlike myself and take the position that doing the practical thing is the cowardly thing. Practical would be to put a shopping mall there. Rather, I want something that will, rather than squeeze 11 million square feet of office space on the sight with 5 mediocre office buildings, rebuild the original towers, only bigger. Place the memorial on the highest floors. For those visiting the memorial, the very act of ascending to it will be emaotionaly and spiritually powerful, and an act of defiance against terror. Perhaps the top floors can each be dedicated to the worlds great religions, starting with the oldest to the newest, so you would begin with the floor of Toaism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and the highest could be the newest, Islam. (Sorry if I left some out, but you get the picture) It can be a cultural symbol to interconnectedness to the whole world, and with an islamic cultural center/mosque on top, what Islamic terrorist would blow it up? (or that of any religion). (ok, who said anarchist. Stand up!)Practical, no, but the situation requires us not sulk away, but to do something grand in response.

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carmen

Subject: Favorite Bruce & BAND Tunes

For those interested-Favorite Bruce Song and Favorite BAND Song

Backstreets & The Weight are my choices.

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Tommy

Subject: Weinberg vs Vivino!

Actually, Jimmy Vivino IS the "musical director" (bandleader, in other words) for 'The Max Weinberg Seven' on Late Night With Conan O'Brien. Max is just a bigger name , I guess...that's why he got the gig in the first place I assume...him and his Jersey buddies that make up the Seven. Great band , too.

Once when I was at a taping of the show, the band came up into the audience and danced with me after Conan hugged me(don't ask). It's a tradition of sorts, and they do it before every taping. Good fun, indeed.

I saw Vivino last year with The Barnburners (a nice suprise) and it was a treat I tell ya! Great show, indeed! I always meant to have a friend of mine scan in the pictures I took that night, but never got around to it.Sorry.

On another note...how is the quality on this Richard Manuel cd?? Where can it be purchased?? Get back to me, friends!!!

~Tommy

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brown eyed girl

Subject: springsteen and memories

"When I was a kid, I really understood failure. In my family, you lived deep in its shadow."...Springsteen

My attraction to his music was because we came from the same class background, we were outsiders and that he was following in Dylan's footsteps.....FACTORY from DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN.....was not just a song for me......BADLANDS hit me hard.....(The same way Dylan's LIKE A ROLLING STONE did the first time I heard it on the radio)....I WANNA FIND ONE FACE THAT AIN'T LOOKING THROUGH ME....I WANNA FIND ONE PLACE....I WANNA SPIT IN THE FACE OF THESE BADLANDS.....

First time I heard songs from Springsteen's THE RIVER was at the Hard Rock Cafe in Toronto before it was revamped into an upscale club....Whenever I listen to the title cut now...The most significant line then and now....IS A DREAM A LIE IF IT DON'T COME TRUE........OR IS IT SOMETHING WORSE............Also wondering why I let the person I was with.....slip away for good....Everytime I hear RAMROD I can remember working part time in a record department store and witnessing the pure joy of a very much older co-worker get his groove on as he was dancing in the aisles.....The most romantic song for me on this recording is DRIVE ALL NIGHT....without a doubt.....I like how he emphasizes certain words over and over again....like Van does in a lot of his work.....singing with heart and soul......INDEPENDENCE DAY rang true and clear for me.....It was all in the song....He said it honestly and clearly.....BUT THEY CAN'T TOUCH ME NOW........AND YOU CAN'T TOUCH ME NOW.........THEY AIN'T GONNA DO TO ME..........WHAT I WATCHED THEM DO TO YOU...........

Dylan had a motorcycle accident in 1966....Some say when he no longer toured....it helped him get off speed and just slow down and connect with his family, nature and explore painting....Springsteen had a motorcycle accident in 1968....He badly injured his leg and had a brain concussion which helped him avoid the draft.....He was adamant that he wasn't going off to WAR.........

I've seen Springsteen perform a few times....The first time was when he really exuded boundless energy and you couldn't believe what you were actually witnessing.............You just couldn't get enough of his running around on stage and jumping off amps and playing until he could no longer sing....Second time was at an Amnesty International Concert and the third time.....was a couple of years ago where for the very first time the Toronto audience actually BOOOOOOOOOOOED Bruuuuuce.......yup!....It was very short but he made the mistake......of saying to the crowd that the New Joisey Devils were gonna beat The Toronto Maple Leafs that very night in Joisey.....I guess Springsteen didn't read Neil Young's quote on how important hockey is to most Canadians.....;-D

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Bayou Sam

Subject: Weinberg

Thanks for correcting me guys - my brain must have been tired.

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BWNWITennessee

J-Tull Fan, Bryant Gumble, of all Goddamned people, once said that he thought a good idea for the Trade Center site would be to build twin memorials that take up the same air space as the original towers, but aren't working buildings. I think this is an interesting idea in theory, although perhaps to expensive to be practical.

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Andy R.

Subject: Bruce..The Main Point...DJs..

I have many wonderful memories of playing at, and attending shows at the original Main Point in Bryn Mawr. I started out playing at their "hoots", basically open mike evenings, showcasing many "up and comers", graduating to being opening act for such artists as Janis Ian, Eric Anderson, Linda Ronstadt & The Stone Ponys, Josh White Sr, Buffy St. Marie and many, many others. Eventually became a "headliner" there. Jeanette and her husband Bill (I think)Campbell owned and ran it. The manager was Emmett Robinson who also sang. It was a real family affair, the Campbell's daughter, (her name now escapes me), was practically raised there.Playing at The Main Point was wonderful You were always made to feel like one of the family. They couldn't do enough for you!!! The cover to one of Bruce's early albums was taken in the famous basement at The Main Point. Along with The Second Fret in center city ,The Main Point was the premiere showcase for new singers and songwriters.

Must not forget to mention Gene Shay, host of one of the longest-running folk music programs on Philadelphia radio, Gene Shay's Folklore. He was on Sunday nights,(still is), and performers would stop by his show after they played at The Main Point. People like Joni Mitchell, Eric Anderson, Janis Ian, Bruce, Phil Ochs, Tom Rush, and most all performers in the folk and "folk rock" generes. In the 70's, when the Main Point was fighting to survive, I have a tape of Bruce live at the Main Point, a live benefit radio broadcast concert, with Ed Sciaky on location there, and wonderful Michael Tearson anchoring at the studios of WMMR-FM. Fantastic concert!!!

Anybody out there in GBland have some memories of that period? Would like to hear about them.

Andybr67@aol.com

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Ray Pence

Caledonia: I've mentioned this before on the Guestbook but I think the audio commentaries are among the best extras on the LW dvd...I enjoy everyone on them, yes, that includes Greil Marcus and Jay Cocks...Steven Prince is funny with his anecdotes about Dylan and his entourage...Garth is hilarious with the accordian jokes, and Levon with the story about offering a joint to a startled Pops Staples...

Springsteen: can't say enough about how much his music, his very existence, has meant to me...I've not seen him live, but am determined to change that this year...our discussions of patriotism are relevant here, now, when I think of a genuine patriot I think of Springsteen, and Woody Guthrie, and Paul Robeson, all the artists and activists that are never satisfied that America is living up to the values it claims to represent...I don't think of blind faith in "leaders," especially in times of the gravest danger when the powerful will prey on the scared...everything, everything, everything politicians do is political, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely...

It was nice to read E. Clapton's words of praise for Robbie Robertson..."The Moon Struck One" has some of the most striking playing and dramatic arrangements I've heard in a "popular music" song...and Richard is sublime. However, the lyrics are awkward at best--that may or may not be intentional...nobody in rock and roll did "serious and lonely" like the Band...there are lots of comparisons between literature, cinema, and the work of certain bands, like Steely Dan, and the Band is clearly one of the few where the comparisons are convincing...

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carmen

Subject: pa

I think I remember reading that Bruce ownes one of RR guitars. Also both bands had 2 keyboards and powerful drummers. Don't forget the beards.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Moon Struck One and Spirit in the Night

I have pointed this out before, but with GREETINGS FROM ASBURY PARK and "Moon Struck One" both on the table here, I have to do it again. Compare the lyrical passages about the lake in both songs and you'll see some strong similarities. Washington, DC disc jockey Donald Cerphe Colwell interviewed Springsteen in 1974 and confronted Bruce with the similarities, but Bruce, of course, pretended he'd never heard the song. "Spirit in the Night" is certainly a better song, but I think that "the boss" borrowed heavily from The Band.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Moon Struck One

I've never understood the animosity towards Moon Struck One. While never my favorite, I like it's expirementation, mood, and Garth's organ work. It has an unfinished quality to it, as if the real version in Robbie's head never was properly translated.

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Bill

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bob wigo

PSB,

While it is in fact pronounced "Shockey" it is in fact spelled "SCIAKY".

Come on now, there isn't enough time in the day to be correcting corrections!!

Hope to see you around town.

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David Powell

Subject: Clapton & Robertson

Peter: Back in 1968, the trio of Clapton, Bruce & Baker are said to have seen a giant snake swimming across Loch Ness. They were standing along the shore after possibly injesting certain unknown substances (:-)

All kidding aside -- Eric Clapton certainly owes a debt of gratitude to Robbie Robertson for a couple of songs that Robertson included in soundtracks. Clapton's "It's In The Way That You Use It", co-written with Robertson, from the "Color of Money" was a hit. Robertson was later on instrumental in getting Clapton and Kenny "Babyface" Edwards" to collaborate on "Change The World" for the soundtrack to "Phenomenon". That song won the "Record of the Year" Grammy in 1997.

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Dennis ('n Wanda)

Subject: New (at least to us) Music formats and options

As a full time fan and part time poster, couple of things:

Butch, Mike (former roadie) stopped by the place yesterday to take a free swimming pool I had at the end of the driveway and asked that I pass on a hello to you 'n the other "Boss."

Read with some interest the articles about downloading music and can't help but think how far behind the times those neandering nabobs of politics really are: so far today I've downloaded both a great Little Feat show from '88 and am currently listening to an Allman Brothers show I just downloaded. It's from August 26, 1971 and it's HOT!

It's in SHN format. Just learned about a month ago about SHN's. Apparently these files, used by Dead fans, don't drop out high and low ends of files like MP3's do. They sound much,MUCH BETTER.

The "how to's" to get ya started are on the link above. You need to download (all for free):

- Download Accelerator Plus (do this first). We went to EXCITE.COM and searched for that name and found a free one. Now downloads are 10 to 20 times faster. Again, it's free (as is everything else mentioned here).

- A free thing called an MKW decompression tool. SHN files are big and are shipped compressed, and they need to be decompressed. It's EASY!

- A free WINAMP media player. Real Players and Windows Media players work, but WINAMP is sounds much better and seems to use less of your computer.

- To go hunting for the good stuff, like BAND shows, you need SMARTFTP. Again, it's free, and has replaced Napster and gives you the same tool Napster used.

- Finally, get on an e-mail list. People put shows in SHN format, on their home computers and let ya copy them. You need SMARTFTP to access their shows.

The link above is referenced from www.gdlive.com, the official Grateful Dead music transfer page. It gives great info on how to get started, and is a "must read."

So you can't burn CD's? I can't either, so I went to an upscale electronic store and bought a wire to connect my PC's speakers to my stereo. One end of the wire has a "walkman-type that plugs right into the earphone jack on your PC's speakers, the other end has RCA plugs that can go into your aux input on your stereo. Costs around $10.

Any questions? Go to the archives and e-mail me from the HVC.RR.COM address I used to use.

Those old men and women down in D.C. just don't get it. Good luck, Ashcroft, we're way ahead of you.....

FINALLY, AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANT, GO OUT AND BUY THE BAND'S, THE CROWMATIC'S, JIMMY'S AND GARTH'S CD'S! GO TO A SHOW. THIS IS HOW THEY PAY THE BILLS. PLEASE, PLEASE, SUPPORT 'EM, THEY'RE ALL GREAT PEOPLE.

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Peter Viney

Eric, Eric, Eric … wise heads have praised the melody and musical arrangement of ‘The Moon Struck One’ but praising the lyrics and story is weird. My tears did fly when I read it. Maybe he’s getting revenge for ‘Further on up the road’ by pointing out a weak Robbie lyric! So where in England did Eric get stung by a snake over by the lake? Was he trying to catch a hake? And holding a garden rake? Then to the water he did bend, his thirst for to slake. When he slipped on some cake, left by mourners at a wake. His leg he did break, and a cry of pain he did make? I dunno … I don’t think Eric was ever a profound lyricist himself, expressing himself on guitar better than words (one of the pleasures of ‘Wonderful Tonight’ is its simplicity). Or is there a subtext? Was the great triangle actually Cream? And who was the snake? Ginger Baker, I reckon, playing a triangle, perhaps. And Eric fled Cream but had to walk back to the house. And he was eating a bun, as the moon struck one.

Bundy (by the lake, too, I see) – collocations. Sounds reasonable.

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Peter Stone Brown

Subject: asbury park and the point again

The Band did play the Asbury Park Convention Center, I saw the show. And while it is pronounced Shockey, it's spelled Ed Sciacki

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Rollie

JW- Wake up ! How come Bush and Cheney have resisted strenuosly anindependant investigation into the events of 9-11.? Don't they want to know who those bastards are? No, because they already know who those bastards are! Unanswered questions.org is well worth checking out to see the questions being asked in relation the 9-11 investigation. It has already been proven that lack of information was not the problem in this event. So why give more money to obviously "incompetent "organizations so they can achieve what? More incompetency? Wake up and smell the coffee. There may have been some mistakes made,but there is much evidence to more than suggest that the enemy is well within the gates.

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BUNDY

Subject: Collocations

PETER VINEY Welp, heres goes: Robbie, Scorcese, Robbie, Robbie, Robbie, Scorcese

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John W.

Nice to see people talking about Bruce. IMHO, the greatest performing rock and roll band I have ever seen (and I've seen a few good ones, including The Band). I think they hit the peak on the River tour in 1980. Not that they have not been great since then, but again in my opinion, the "Darkness" tour and the "River" tour were the all time peak of Rock and Roll -- 4 hour shows, unlimited talent and energy, plus we were young and really into it. I doubt anyone could ever top those shows.

Twilight - False Patriotism - remember, every whine and cry about "Big Brother" surveilance tactics, or paranoid protests about "loss of our civil rights", "profiling", "threats to our freedom", etc. -- is only making it easier for terrorists among us to continue planning their next attacks without impediments. I would think the "True" patriots are those who are interested in finding these bastards, whatever it takes, in order to avoid seeing more loss of innocent American lives. Or don't you care about that?

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Dave the Phone Guy

Subject: Jericho

Couldn't help thinkin' about that song when I heard nine miners were trapped in Pennsylvania.

Let's take a moment and send those miners some love.There's still time to believe in miracles.

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JTull Fan

Subject: link day for me. WTC this time.

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JTull Fan

Subject: E Street

Charlie, yes Bruce Springsteen and the E Street... is what I mean. Sorry for my typing shortcuts! Ditto for Greetings from Asbury Park!

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Charlie Young

Subject: E Street...Eh?

I think that Rick's Canadian caricature overuse of "eh" at the end of his sentences during that one section of the Getaway show with Richard was inspired by the "McKenzie Brother" TV commericials back then (he even mentions them and Pizza Hut, actually). I thought that was hilarious in Rick's usual self-deprecating manner.

JTull: I assume that when you refer to Springsteen's "E Street Band" album you actually mean his second disc, THE WILD, THE INNOCENT AND THE E STREET SHUFFLE, eh?

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G-Man

Hey,,,,JWB is playin sat. nite (see concert schedule) in Hamilton, New York! Hope to see some GB ers there! Home of Colgate Univ. and Alma Mater of Rick S.. All the "Rocket Scientests" goin to summer school will be there!!! Rick spent many summers in Hamilton!!!!!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Bruce

Jenny T: Bruce's Asbury Park is beautifully sparse in it's production. No, it's not acoustic like Nebraska, but it is marvelously understated drama. E Street Band, although more complex, still retains a very judicious use of instrumentation. I think you will not complain about 'Too many cooks' if you invest in these albums.

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JTull Fan

Subject: My outrage of the day; computer legislation in Congress

The link above rankles my civil libertarian side. Anybody who has ever downloaded an MP3 or values their privacy will be grossly offended.

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carmen

Subject: Dylan Movie

Dylan takes the stage and screen in 'Masked'

By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY

In Masked and Anonymous, Bob Dylan is cast against type as underachieving cult singer Jack Fate, a weary troubadour mustering energies for a final benefit concert. The movie, due next spring, also draws on the reality-based iconic Dylan in relating a futuristic tragicomic myth that director Larry Charles dubs "Shakespeare told by John Cassavetes." Dylan will be unmasked in Masked, Charles promises. "The irony is, I didn't want him to fully lose himself in his character, which has the laconic quality of a film-noir or spaghetti-Western hero," he says. "I wanted him to draw upon his thoughts, memories, emotions and his incredible history to infuse the character. He doesn't relate to himself as the powerful force we see. To me, Bob is like a post-apocalyptic Humphrey Bogart in this movie." Though better known in film circles for the groundbreaking 1967 documentary Don't Look Back, Dylan adopted fictional personas for 1973's Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, 1978's Renaldo and Clara and 1987's Hearts of Fire. His return to the big screen attracted a slew of Hollywood brand names eager to work with the bard. The cast boasts John Goodman, Jeff Bridges, Penelope Cruz, Jessica Lange, Angela Bassett and Luke Wilson, plus cameos by Val Kilmer, Chris Penn, Mickey Rourke, Christian Slater and Ed Harris. They provided "a crash course in acting" for Dylan, says Charles, whose first film follows a decade of writing, directing and producing TV series from Seinfeld and Mad About You to Curb Your Enthusiasm. Masked and Anonymous, the first project by Spitfire Productions, finished shooting last week in Los Angeles with Dylan's lively performance of rock, gospel and country tunes. As Fate would have it, a soundtrack is inevitable.

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Jenny T

All this talk about Bruce made me dust off my copies of the River and Nebraska yesterday. (I know I desperately need the first two albums but haven't gotten around to it yet.) I love Bruce but I think I would like the E Street Band a little better if it were a little more pared down. Sometimes it just sounds too complicated--too many cooks in the kitchen. And I could live without those ding dong bells, whatever they are, most of the time.

However, Bruce is a musical and lyrical genius and a great singer--he is like Rick and Levon in that maybe it's not a great voice technically but an honest manly voice that does you in anyway, or maybe moreso.

Also I thought his speech at the RRHOF was one of the most humble, beautiful and interesting speeches I have ever heard.

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Excitement Up North

TORONTO, Canada (CNN) -- Thousands of pilgrims attending World Youth Day Thursday exultantly greeted Pope John Paul II, who told the flock to be peacemakers in the face of terrorist threats. "Last year, we saw with dramatic clarity the tragic face of human malice," he said of the September 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C. "We saw what happens when hatred, sin and death take command. But today, Jesus' voice resounds in the midst of our gathering. His voice is a voice of life, of hope, of forgiveness." The pope said he has "been eagerly looking forward" to speaking to the young people. The 82-year-old pontiff, frail but alert on the 97th trip of his papacy, waved to the faithful from the "popemobile," which headed slowly to Exhibition Place on Lake Ontario for the papal welcoming ceremony at the annual event, regarded as kind of a "Catholic Woodstock." An estimated 200,000 people have gathered in Canada's largest city for the event, held every year since 1986, and thousands in the well-behaved crowd stood and waved at the well-traveled leader of the world's Roman Catholics.

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jq

I was listening to the R Manuel @ the Getaway record and Rick was on & joking about something and ending every sentence with the Canadian stereotype of - "eh?". I had never heard him or any of the others do/use that before.

I've got pals from Cork like and they don't like bad grammar like, so like is this "eh?" stuff a joke or what like?

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Caledonia

While watching the film again last night, I noticed that Ronnie Hawkins, Neil Young, Muddy Waters, Van Morrison, Ringo Starr and Ronnie Wood are all wearing a small, round yellow button. I assume it says "The Band" or "The Last Waltz" but couldn't see it clearly onscreen ... does anyone know what is written on the yellow button? We can add this to the mystery concerning the orange crush soda!

While going through my "rock & roll" archives, I found the following quote from a 1991 Rolling Stone interview w/Eric Clapton. I loved what he said, so I thought I would pass it along ...

Q: You did the Dylan song 'Sign Language' on 'No Reason to Cry'. Do you ever see him anymore?

EC: The last time I saw Bob was when I was making Journeyman. But I had a great year with Bob this year. I bought the bootleg album, and I haven't stopped listening to it. And I'd forgotten what a master he is. I think he is the best. I mean, that song 'Series of Dreams' is a masterpiece. It blows me away. The sound of it, the voice, and the general atmosphere is scary, beautiful. And then I saw Bob getting his Grammy, and it blew me away. George [Harrison] showed me a video of it, actually, not long after my son died, and what Bob said in that acceptance was so profound, it took my breath away, brought tears to my eyes. It's one of the greatest things I ever heard anyone say on a live TV show. I don't know if anyone really got it, but I thought it was magnificent. It proves to me that the man is head and shoulders above everyone else. I haven't seen him for a while, but I'd love to. It's just that I don't quite know how to give him what he's given me. I feel kind of inadequate.

Q: Are there any other people you feel that way about?

EC: Yeah, the same with Robbie Robertson. If I sat down and thought for ten minutes about what he's given me, I wouldn't even be able to have coffee with him. I'd be awe-struck. I was devoted to the Band, and every song that he ever wrote for the Band had a profound effect on me. The story of the relationship in the song "The Moon Struck One" is so profound. It brings back so many memories of my own childhood that it seems like Robbie must have been there. And when I see him, I just have to throw all that out the window and be who I am.

Q: After 'Music From Big Pink' came out, you went to Woodstock and visited the Band.

EC: Yeah, I bumped into Robbie in L.A., and he invited me to meet the guys in Woodstock. These guys looked like characters from the Hole in the Wall Gang. It was like Jesse James or something. Rick Danko showed up covered in plaster from his waist to the top of his head, as he'd just driven his car into a tree. These guys were the real thing, and I was touring with this band of psychedelic loonies. And it made me reevaluate everything I stood for.

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rollie

Subject: Van Morrison

Interesting article on Van the man.Let the page load fully.( Yeah,I know.One of those damn conspiratorial pages again! Get over it! Good work on Van regardless.

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rosalind

Subject: No-Wife

Just wonderin' if you had a sense of humor...guess ya do!

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rollie

You git it now Twilight!!! Keep pushin!

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twilight

Subject: steve earle

the person who is going after steve earle (heard it was a lawyer who once represented Steve) for "John Walker's Blues" is still stuck in the "i'm more patriotic than you are" fixation that came with 9/11. Haven't heard all of the lyrics, but the best guess is that it is an intelligently written song by a passionate artist that has a few morons missinterpreting its true message. False patriotism abounds - most of it with the hot tub/country home/security system crowd.

on a lighter note, check out the acceptance speech Eric Idle gave for the late George Harrison's induction to the Hollywood Bowl Hall of Fame.

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Joe

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BWNWIRain City

(Personally, I feel that the giant hump on my right shoulder is the reason for the lack of consortium. Maybe the limp, too.)

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rosalind

Subject: Steve Earle and No-Wife

Steve Earle has this tendency to only see things from one side ( Ellis Unit No.1) He also has an anger management problem. I got a feeling that Back_With_No_Wife has the same problem.(recent observations of guestbook personalities...) That might explain why he doesn't have a wife. Get yourself a couple of sheep Tennessee, maybe it'll take the edge off! Anyway, sheep are much more likely not to fight back if you slap them around and brow-beat them!

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Pete Roussos

Subject: Robbie Robertson's equipment

I love the Band and just got the Last Waltz reissue. Can anyone provide details about Robbie Robertson's stratocaster, amp and whatever pedals, etc, he uses to get that overdriven sound such as on "Who do you Love"? Many thanks

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John D

First off David.........I miss hearing from you. I checked every source I could find regarding Music From Big Pink coming out on DVD Audio and I've checked every site till the end of August and have seen nothing at all. Not showing up anywhere.

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Dave Hopkins

Bayou Sam: You're close--Max Weinberg is actually the bandleader for the Conan O'Brien show, which comes on after Leno (O'Brien replaced Letterman in that time slot when Letterman moved to CBS). While Weinberg is on tour with the E Street Band, guitarist and Levon Helm pal Jimmy Vivino will act as bandleader.

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John D

Max is not band leader for Leno Bayou Sam. He is band leader for Conan O'Brien.

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John D

Subject: Downloading of Free Music

Say what you will, for or against downloading free tunes off the internet; but this link is down right scary. Big Brother is the U.S. has stepped over the line, I believe. What's next?

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Bayou Sam

I'm just curious - Someone mentioned that Bruce and the E Street band will be on Letterman. I'm assuming that Max Weinberg is part of the band, yes? He is also the band leader for Jay Leno. I just find it interesting that Leno's band leader would be a musical guest for the main competition. I wonder if that's somethiong that Leno had to O.K.

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BWNWITennessee

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Charlie Young

Subject: The Point, The Stone Pony, Asbury Park & Norway

I saw a Jesse Colin Young show at the Point in Bryn Mawr last year and it was a great, intimate room, decorated with photos of performers who played the Main Point in the old days.

Speaking of Asbury Park, The Band (in their final form) played the legendary Stone Pony club there in the 1990s, but I can't find a record of them ever playing at the old Convention Center. My brother and I saw our first real rock'n'roll show as kids there--Paul Revere & the Raiders with Billy Joe Royal as opening act. Big acts like the Jefferson Airplane and the Doors came through there back then as well. I'm sure Springsteen caught some of those gigs. The old convention center is now in disrepair along with most of Asbury Park, but a major restoration is on the horizon. Heck, Springsteen could buy the whole town and turn it into a rock'n'roll theme park if he wanted to.

Meanwhile, the home country of this web site was named once again as the United Nations Development Program's number one nation for quality of life. Forget Japan, I'm moving to Norway...

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carmen

Subject: The Point

Peter-to add to the List, Hall and Oats also were regulars at the Main Point. I happen to have a great boot of Bruce's last show at the Main Point. This is the time right before BTR and songs like She's The One and Thunder Road were much different then they appear on BTR. It opens with Ed Shockey (famous Philly DJ) introducing Bruce and wishing him well as he moves on to bigger and better things like performing at Wiedner College the very next week.

To make a BAND connection, when Dylan first called on the Hawks, they were performing at the Jersey Shore. I wonder if a young Bruce ever caught a Hawks show?

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Peter Stone Brown

Subject: Bruce & The Point

Actually the Main Point and the Point are not the same club, not even the same address, though very close to each other. The original Main Point closed in the early 80s. The Point a few doors down was opened to (sort of) resurrect the spirit of the original club and even has parts of the legendary basement wall which performers would autograph and photos of performers at the old Main Point. And while The Point (where I have played a few times) is one of the best venues in the Philadelphia area (actually in the suburb of Bryn Mawr, PA) it is much different than the Main Point, adhering more to the modern concept of coffeehouses with couches and stuff, and the capacity is not as large either. While many fine current performers such as Steve Forbert have appeared at The Point, the original Main Point saw some legendary shows, including the Springsteen one you mention, but also with performers such as Bonnie Raitt, Little Feat, Asleep At The Wheel, Waylon Jennings, Jackson Browne & David Lindley (who did a week-long benefit for the club) John Lee Hooker, Tom Waits, Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee and hundreds of others.

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Peter Viney

Bundy – glad to see someone else follows approved procedure. You should have mentioned Section V. Paragraph 3, Subsection 2 - the list of approved collocations with Band members.

I think we could all do the requisite matching of description + Band member. Try these matches – just fill in the first names.

Snobby ______ ripped everyone off. OR ALTERNATIVELY ________ was the brains behind it.

_________ is a musical genius.

The fragility of _________ was always evident.

__________ is genuine but irascible.

_________ was a true friend and totally sincere.

If you get any wrong, you haven’t been reading this GB.

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David Powell

Subject: Music From Big Pink DVD-A

I understand that EMI will be releasing a DVD-Audio version of "Music From Big Pink". Has anyone seen any details about this release?

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Dave Z

Gonna have to pick up that Bruce DVD me thinks... Just thought I'd stop in and see how the Band Talk was going today... I'm playing the Breakers on me iTunes in background... Out the window is the beach... where just a little while ago my brother in law decided he would go swim with the dolphins... damn California kid... anyway, someone called 911 on him cause he was a bit out there... but the fire trucks are gone now... I can't take the family anywhere... well, gotta go find some seafood... take care...

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David Powell

Subject: The Boss

Springsteen fans, get your VCRs ready. On the day "The Rising" is set for release in the U.S. (Tuesday, July 30), NBC's Today morning show will broadcast live from the beach & boardwalk in Asbury Park, N.J. Highlight of the show will be a live performance by the Boss & the E-Street Band from Convention Hall, previewing songs from the new album.

On Thursday night, August 1, the Boss & E-Street Band will perform on David Letterman's late night show on CBS.

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BUNDY

Subject: CHOOSING BETWEEN!

BAND FAN (flabbergasted): The reference you seek can be found in The Guestbook, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, Section IX, subsection 2(b), article 14, issue #9 of the Strategic Plan; Title 100 "ADVOCACY" Here you will find the following: Efforts to represent the interests of individual band members within the context of overall band member jurisdictions and historical contexts which contribute to the historical perspectives of the industry as a whole or in part thereof. Advocacy may include but not be limited to long winded diatribes on each band member, public speeches, tetimonials or never ending rhetoric directed at the private and public lives of members of the now defunct group formerly working under the name "BAND" and consisting in whole or in part of the following members: ROBBIE ROBERTSON. LEVON HELM. RICK DANKO, GARTH HUDSON, RICHARD MANUEL.

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carmen

Subject: Bruce

Bruce was a regular at The Main Point know known as the Point. This is the same Point that Garth has recently performed. Some of his best stuf was done here. I agree that his first 2 are both masterpieces,however,I would also add the 3rd. NY City Serenade is amazing from The Wild...I was told that before any releases by Bruce and while still a Bar Band he covered Dixie. I know he also covered Dylan's I Want You.

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Amanda

Subject: Barnburnin'

Is anyone going to The Gibson Guitar Factory in Memphis tonight? Levon and The Barnburners are playing @ 9:00 p.m.

The best drummer in the world on Beale Street tonight...that makes me feel good. Creativity should never be confined, otherwise, just like fine art--it ends up being wallpaper.

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Guido

Subject: Another shameless self promotion

At the risk of sounding like a broken record....my band's new record, "Seaworthy", sounds a whole lot like The Band. Not only did we have Levon and Garth on a few tunes, many other rock legends make appearances. Check it out for yerself.....http://www.luckymanclark.com ...anybody on this guestbook get one yet? Hmmm? Sorry...need people to be aware of this record and, well...shoot....this is the place!! :)

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Trout

Subject: Saw this in the local paper this morning

Just passing this along. Nothing more, nothing less. All have a good day.

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John D

I would just like to say that for my money the BEST Sound DVD I own is BS & The ESB Live In NY. I love the restoration of TLW; but the Boss's Sound on my particular system is #1 with TLW a very close 2nd.

Worst sound for a DVD that I own is Randy Newman Live at The Odeon. Turn it up and get lots of hiss. You don't expect hiss on a DVD.......or at least you expect a decent clean up from the VHS version. Probably on the original Master. Too Bad.

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Ray Pence

Jenny T, I think that host for the Band on SNL was Buck Henry.

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JTull Fan

Subject: BRUUUUUCE

Is it Bleeping Friday Yet?!?!?!? Anyhow, my favorite Springsteen by far are his first two classics, Asbury Park and E Street Band. Absolutely unparrelled by his later (still great) works and most other aspirants. Especially Jungle Land. Damn good stuff.

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Jenny T

Richie the Brit: The River is one of my favorites too. I love Ramrod, The Ties that Bind, Sherry Darling and Crush on You. I also used to have Out in the Street going in my head every day as I walked home from my stressful banking job in Boston--when I'm out in the street, I walk the way I wanna walk. It perfectly captures the intense feeling of freedom when you are outta there, at least for the night. I wasn't loading crates down on the dock, but it seemed like hard work anyway. But my favorite Bruce song is Open All Night from Nebraska.

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Jenny T

Dry Your Eyes is not a bad song--it's kind of a poignant song looking back and looking ahead, which is the mood I'm in since yesterday I turned 40, and was sort of the mood of TLW. And often you do recall the tune but not the singer, esp. in a one hit wonder situation.

I know this has been mentioned before and sorry to ask about it, but who hosted the SNL when the Band were on? You can look at the week's schedule on E! Online and see at least who the host will be on the show each night, so I figure I can save a lot of wasted time if I knew that. I know Rick was on one where Gary Busey was the host in 78, but who was it in 76?

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person x

This place desperately needs a forum. It's nigh on impossible to stroll in here and wade through all these posts and try to make sense of different conversations. Adding a forum that sorts by threads would make things a lot easier! Guestbooks are for arse kissing not conversation ;-) Cheers, love the site.

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BANDFAN

Subject: FLABERGASTED

WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE SHOW ME THE RULE THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN RR & THE REST OF THE BAND. KJB

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Bayou Sam

I was driving south through New York today on my way home to Long Island, and as I passed the Woodstock/Saugerties exit I was surfing the radio dial and I came upon "Just Another Whistle Stop" on the radio. How cool is that? It turns out that it was a local station, so it made some sense - but it blew my mind when it happened.

Thanks for the couple of responses to my Nick Drake question.

JTull = I agree with you about "I Am I Said". Great song - and I love the line, "L.A.'s fine but it ain't home, New York's home but it ain't mine no more."

BWNWITenn = way to go man. Way to make your point without losing it.

Lil = Hi!....did you happen to send me an e-mail with an attachment? I got one but didn't open it. Please let me know - philbin3@aol.com

I'm reading all these discussions about who should and should'nt have been at TLW - and what they each "represent". Didn't Robbie say that The Band gave it's last concert and that they bought along some FRIENDS to help them do it? He didn't say that they bought along representations from different forms of music - just some friends to play along with at the celebration of their musical career. All this stuff about people being there to represent a certain type of music is killing me. And, for cryin' out loud - stop letting Neil Diamond's appearance at the concert ruin some of your lives already. It's not like the freakin' Bay City Rollers where there. Neil Diamond is a great singer/songwriter.

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Pehr

Thanks Peter. You reminded me that some time back I ordered those records at your recommendation. I don't quite know what ever happened there but I'm gonna go back and give it another shot. It sounds like an album with lots of scope and vision as you describe it.

He didn't sing much the other night but one slow number the band got a breather while he did some quiet Chet Atkins kind of thing with a ton of tremelo on the guitar and sang so beautifully, interrupted himself frequently, with stories and anecdotes about his childhood and earliest memories. Some people didnt like that much I guess but he had me spellbound.

It was a rather intimate show- He came on with his wrap around shades but took them off after the first number and made alot of eye contact with the audience. A buddy bet me a little wager he'd be on no more than 45 minutes, Link rocked out for almost 2 hours with no stopping between songs at all. Towards the end the music hit another level, just wild- a zen thing happening with the three guys and his wife Olivia. He's got the most physical drummer I've heard in more than a few years.

I've heard stories about his rehearsal barn outside DC in the early 70's. something to the effect the band sessions were so loud you could be across the potomac and not hear the guy next to you speak. also heard the sessions for the Robert Gordon record so loud it bout blew the building up!

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Andy R.

Subject: John Hammond

Gbers might be interested in the fact that in his early days John Hammond Jr had a very bad stutter. The only time he could communicate fluidly was when he was singing!!!

Among some tapes Garth gave me to transfer to digital was a very interesting reel to reel, with, I think Sonny Boy Williamson singing one of his hits on the left channel, and John Hammond "practising" along with the song...learning the phrasing, intonation etc. e.g. learning to sing it "just like the record"!! VERY INTERESTING!!!

Andybr67@aol.com

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richie the brit

Subject: the boss on monday

i cant wait for the rising on monday. for me, bruce is it! i first saw him on a docu. about rock and roll narrated by jeff bridges back in 79. 'rock and roll, phew' were jeff's immortal closing words. iv since seen bruce loads of times in concert with my buddy paul lucas, wales's no 1 bruce fan whose seen every single uk bruce gig since 1981.. bruce even dedicated a song to paul in the 1985 newcastle gig. its a long story but its on the bootleg. bruce is a genuine working class hero who proves that you can be a patriot without being a right wing fascist.hes a great rock and roller too. viva bruce!god bless the boss! fav. bruce album,the river; its got the lot!

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Peter Viney

More on ‘Link Wray’ (1971) – it has the eclecticism of the Band, and The Neville Brothers have covered two songs – ‘Falling Rain’ and ‘Fire and Brimstone’. On the ‘Mordecai Jones’ album which followed it you get ‘Precious Jewel’ which shows that like the Band he could bridge between blues (Tail Dragger), country (Precious Jewel), melodic wistful Richard-like songs (Falling Rain), story songs (Rise & Fall Of Jimmy Stokes), rock-gospel (God Out West) and ones you just can’t define (Ice People). Pick it up! (Guitar Preacher-The Polydor Years) – it’s the whole ‘Link Wray’ album, plus half of Beans & Fatback, half of the ultra-rare ‘Mordicai Jones’ (sadly without ‘Precious Jewel’ but with ‘Walking in the Arizona Sun’) half of ‘Be What You want To’ (the wonderful ‘Tucson, Arizona’) and half of ‘The Link Wray Rumble’ (more what he does nowadays).

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JTull Fan

Subject: Jamie and Voices

Jamie- as a 33 year old I am jealous of you for being 21 and jealous of everyone else for seeing Bruce and The Band in their prime too (although I saw the later versions umpteen times) On voices, many vocalists 'take on a voice' and there is nothing wrong with that, same as with an actor. What about Dr. John? Robbie sounds like he is trying to emulate a Southern twang on his vocal part on The Last Waltz. 'but that don't meeeeheeeeean the parties overrrrrrrr.'

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Peter Viney

I think Bill nails it- the pronunciation was John Hammond's 1965 problem - he hadn't found his own voice by then (I think he has now) so tried to imitate / emulate the real thing. He wasn't making fun so the Greil Marcus tag of 'minstrelcy' is unfair, but it didn't come out too dissimilar. Ry Cooder or Link Wray or Eric Clapton retain their own voices, which is appropriate. Anyway, Link Wray on Crowbar or Taildragger proves that the blue man (or at least the reddish man) could sing the whites.

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Jamie G

Subject: Boss

As a 21 year old, I'm extremely jealous of all you GB'ers who have seen both Bruce & The Band in concert in their primes...but then again you're probably jealous of me for being 21 so I guess everything is fairly even. Does anyone know when tickets to the Philadelphia show go on sale?

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Bob R

Bob Wigo: having seen Springsteen myself a number of times in the 1973-1978 era, I remember him doing a really killer version of the Animals "It's My Life" and of course "Trapped" (Jimmy Cliff ?)--I agree with you--live he was / is unbelievable- best shows I ever saw him play were at a small venue in Boston called the Music Hall--only sat about 2500 people--Born to Run had just come out, it was a week or two away from Christmas and he just leveled the place ! I look forward to his new release!

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Bill

The real 'blackface' practitioners I've seen (in old photos and film footage) were not just trying to sound like some stereotype, they were also trying really hard to make fun of people through the exaggeration of what were widely, though wrongly, perceived to be standard racial characteristics. Hammond certainly didn't do any of that - which is why the term is most unfair to him.

I'd say that Hammond's failing circa '65 was not his tone - which is quite likely what comes naturally to him - but his attempts to pronounce lyrics just like he imagined the people he admired did. He wasn't alone in that of course. And though he grew out of that habit long long ago, there are plenty around who are still trying to do the same thing. Anyone seeking proof should listen to this guy named Jagger ...

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pehr

Nice to see Link Wray get a mention. I'll take the opportunity to mention my neck is completely sore from headbanging to Link Wray right here live two nights ago. 73 years young and he rocks circles around most anyone out there. a couple nights earlier I set myself up with another headbanging night with Jason and the Scorchers, who never sounded better. The drummer and bassist left the stage at one point while front man Jason Ringenberg and guitarist Warner Hodges did a sweet duet of "Long Black Veil".

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Jeffrey

Peter touches on an interesting point concerning the blues ,vocal delivery of John Hammond.Blues is nothing if it isn't about tone, regardless of the instrument. Harmonica, guitar,vocals,the blues is about tone and as RR has pointed out, playing a mood and not necessarily just a song.Which "black" would you say Hammond is trying to emulate? Harry Belafonte? Sammy Davis Jr.? Nat King Cole? Or is his delivery more akin to that of someone really diggin in, black or white? Hard to compare Muddy and Sonny to John Hammond, but few,if any, artists, black or white, have ever been able to hold a candle to Hammond when it comes to spankin the plank while blowin, hollerin and stompin.

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bob wigo

David,

Ironic that this subject arises today. I arrived home last evening to find a burned copy of "The Rising" in my mailbox. A good friend dropped it off. I haven't had a chance to discuss the source.

I did take some time last evening and during this morning's commute to give it a listen but it's too early in that process to formulate an opinion. I will say my initial impression is pretty favorable but I am a biased Springsteen fan.

Having seen Bruce live on many, many occasions in practically every size venue available (right down to a show with one hundred or so in the audience), I will say that none of his productions has come remotely close to capturing the spirit of his songs as they are performed live. He brings an energy and enthusiasm to his music that simply has not been conveyed on any of the albums. In addition, I believe The E Street Band is as good an ensemble as any out there today.

I have always admired Springsteen's choice to do cover tunes live. There have been many but two that stand out in my mind are "Mountain of Love" many years back and the last tour's "You Can't Sit Down". I was there, way back when, at the wonderful Tower Theater in Upper Darby, Pa. when Bruce played to his first "big hall" --3200 souls -- and man he blew the doors right off the place. Seeing that star born is a beautiful memory for me.

Funny, I've never regarded him as much of a guitarist and his singing could easily be rated no better than average but he has long been one of my favorite musicians and performers. Speaks volumes about heart, soul and passion.

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Tommy

Subject: Fun!

Hello friends!

Long time no write. I hope my ol' GB friends are doing well. Just thought I'd come in and say hello and read a few posts.It seems there are some new GBers up in here, names I don't recognize...I've been away a long time,huh?

I haven't really had much to say in the GB of late.Hence:No posts from me....but I hope things are still cookin' in here.

If anyone wants to bullshit, drop me a cyber-line. Good times! Take care , folks.

Oh yeah, if you get the chance, go see Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers in concert this summer, GO. A Great show, indeed!!!Peace!

~Tommy

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David Powell

Subject: Bru-u-u-ce

Richie: The new Bruce & the E-Street Band album, "The Rising", is set for release next Tuesday in the U.S. A single with the title song is already out. In a controversial move, Columbia/Sony has been withholding the usual number of advance promo copies in attempt to stem bootleg copies. Instead, selected music writers/reviewers have been invited to "listening parties" to preview the album under controlled circumstances.

Meanwhile, the Boss & his band begin touring Aug. 7th. Drummer Max Weinberg has taken leave as musical director on the Conan O'Brien Show. Filling in those shoes in his absence, is none other than Levon's friend, Jimmy Vivino, guitarist for the Max Weinberg 7.

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richie the brit

Subject: band solo albums(again)

without wanting to sound blasphemous,but i adore robbie's last solo album ,contact from the underground of redboy. while the record sounds nothing like the band(here we go again), in dwelling on a particular aspect of american culture, its spirit remains to to the band's best music. interestingly the bonus track 'take your partner by the hand', was a big club hit in the uk gay scene(so im told).hope im not the only one who cant wait for the new bruce album on monday. is it out in the states yet? did bruce join levon on stage once in one of his club dates. im sure i read that somewhwere once.

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Fred

Don't feel bad about having to go to Newfoundland for your anniversary (by the way HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!) I've never been there myself but all the Newfoundlanders I have met (except for 1) have been real nice people. Spend your hard earned Canadian Loonies there--help out the local economy. OR....

You could stock up on Canadian Tire Money (does Canadian Tire still have that? Is there still a Canadian Tire?!?!--tells you HOW long I've been away from the Motherland!) venture deep south and "spread the wealth",so to speak, on those unsespecting Yanks (& Johnny Rebs)--They don't know what Canadian dollars really look like, do they? You could always tell them that that is a portrait of our Prime Minister.... the Right Honourable Angus MacKenzie!! he he he

When I was a university student oh so many moons ago I gave some snooty, ill-tempered European waiter his tip in Canadian Tire money...told him that I didn't have any of the local currency left (other that to pay the bill) but I would give him a 20 dollar tip in Canadian dollars..well it was $20 and it was Canadian..Canadian Tire money, that is!! I'll probably burn in Hell for that one, but the guy was such an A**hole!

Wherever you do go..enjoy yourselves!!

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Brien Sz

Subject: Hard Candy

Hard Candy starts off as a solid cd but then peters off into that 'how slow and drooling can i get for 6 minutes.' for the last few numbers - can't anyone rock for 10 songs and only write like 3 ballads? At least Foxtrot by Wilco makes their slow songs interesting.

Since I'm not a Byrds fan I can't say that Hard Candy is in that realm but i do see the Tom Petty and Bruce Hornsby angle.

And Peter, you are right about Soap Box Preacher being a Rick song.., he would have done that nicely.

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Peter Viney

I like Counting Crowes 'Hard Candy' too, but it screams out Byrds / Tom Petty at me well before The Band comes to my mind, and the piano makes me think Bruce Hornsby too. I mentioned the 'You Ain't Goin' Nowhere' bonus track - maybe in putting this on they were making the link between The Band and The Byrds. Most oft-quoted soundalikes (e.g. Blue Rodeo, Wilco, The Gourds) don't sound that alike to me. The closest album to the Band for me is Link Wray's "Link Wray" from 1971. Also one of my "desert island ten" selection. It's available on the Guitar Preacher collection in its entirety. 'Taildragger' really does show an affinity to the real Howlin' Wolf full-out blues beyond anything The Band did in that field.

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JTull

Subject: Neil Diamond and Blues

Personally, I think ND should have performed I Am I Said at TLW. The line about being New York born and raised and now lost in LA, although not literally the Band's experience, is poetically akin to their finding there voice in Woodstock, and moving out to Malibu and falling apart and trying to recapture the old spirit. It could have been very powerful. On the blues, many bands start out with the blues and then go on to find their true sound later. Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, elements of the Band, etc. etc. It may not be 'home' to most artists, but it is certainly their starting point.

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John D

Mind if I whine for a moment. I know I'll feel better :-) Our dollar here in Canada is dropping like a lead balloon. My wife and I are having our 30th Anniversary in a couple of weeks and dare I say we have spent every vacation south of the border. The dollar is going to curtail that visit. Can only afford a few days as opposed to a couple of weeks. Do I feel better? Not really; but thanks to my American brothers and sisters for reading. Guess it's off to Newfoundland. Never been there.

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Peter Viney

Agree 1: Comparisons – I prefer Rick’s first solo to Islands and Cahoots too.

Agree 2: Beautiful Noise would have been a better choice for me too, but I suspect that Robbie DID want that line ‘If you can’t recall the singer you can still recall the tune …’ I have no difficulty recalling Rick, Richard and Levon either- but I also recall Aretha, Diana Ross and others – which is what he meant. Also Robbie co-wrote ‘Dry Your Eyes’ and as one of his most recent compositions he probably wanted it on there.

If Hank had told me he was going to do ‘Caravan’ I would have cashed in all my air miles and headed for New York!

The blues thing – it’s stated as a mantra by so many musicians that really their heart is in the blues, and some mean it – Levon, Taj Mahal, Corey Harris, peripherally Ry Cooder, probably Eric Clapton. What I’m suggesting is that while everyone might nod sagely and agree, very few live it by going round playing the blues exclusively, and I really don’t see a devotion to the blues in the solo works of anyone except Levon. The John Hammond albums were 35 – 37 years ago, and while the playing is superb, most blues fans I know would screw their faces up in horror at what Greil Marcus called the ‘blackface’ vocals, which is what they are. I’m sure that Levon never placed Hammond in the same class as Muddy or Sonny Boy!

On production quality & Storyville - I think that sound is just a sign of careful recording and using more recent techniques- the drums throughout are “un-Levon like’ and the bass, which is great throughout, is un-Rick like. Robbie was using the strengths of different musicians. Garth appears on there, and in general (as on NLSC) he was the Band member mosty likely to have been enthusiastic about new sounds and techniques. ‘Soap Box Preacher’ was written for Rick’s voice, as Robbie has said. Breaking The Rules would have been a perfect one for Richard with Rick. I always forget that Ginger Baker appears on ‘Shake This Town’ too.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Neil Young

Hank and Peter: Don't get too excited now....hee hee....Louuuu was only MENTIONED five times in SHAKEY....

Jimmy Mcdonough of SHAKEY Re Bobfest (as Neil called the festivities):...."Other than Young, an interesting reading of FOOT OF PRIDE by Louuuu Reed and the always idiosyncratic Dylan himself, it was a dubious affair, a manufactured - event snoozefest."

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Dylan /Neil on......

Jake/Caledonia:
"Inside the museums, Infinity goes up on trial
Voices echo this is what salvation must be like after a while
But Mona Lisa musta had the highway bluessss
You can tell by the way she smiles...:-D
See the primitive wallflower freeeeze
When the jelly-faced women all sneeeeze
Hear the one with the mustache say, "Jeeeeze
I can't find my kneeees"
Oh, jewels and binoculars hang from the head of the mule
But these VISIONS OF JOHANNA, they make it all seem so cruel".............

Neil Young: "Southern Man" was more than the South - I think the civil rights movement was sorta what that was about. The far North and the deep South are not very different. They're extremes. Look at Robbie Robertson - an Indian from Canada who wrote a lot about the deep South. I'm sure it's the same thing.

Southerners, northerners, they're extremists. I mean, look at the people who live up in Canada. And look at the people who live in the deep South. They're out there. I love Canada, with the hockey games and the fuckin' spirit - everybody gets so fuckin' into it. It's so real. And there's that real family thing about the South - everybody gets together and has barbecues, ya know what I mean?".......

Interesting observation Neil....you may be right........but doesn't everyone have barbecues?.....Anyway, I was also more than interested to discover in SHAKEY that the town in north Ontario was.....Omemee, Ontario......:-D

Hank: Hey! Neil even has about five pages on Louuuu (for the spelling police)......Neil: "What I'm tryin' to say is these people like Lou Reed and David Booie or Bowie, however you pronounce it, those folks - I think they got somethin' there, heh, heh. Take a walk on the wild side!"......

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Back With No WIT

For the record, I wasn't trying to imply that Muddy Waters had no place at TLW, or that The Band wasn't influenced by him, or the blues. Just that his presence there is in pretty much the same category as Neil Diamond's; though people lambaste him and treat his presence as another RR felony basically just because they think he sucks.

The talk about TLW's peformers significance to The Band being invented after the fact, and the talk about "Storyville," reminded me that I always thought "Storyville's" New Orleans forbidden love theme was kind of created after the album was finished. Some of the songs do fit into that sort of a vein, but some of them don't at all. For one thing, "What About Now?" was originally written for the eponymous album; and the references to "all my friends out on Coney Island," grandmothers and rainbows, Times Square, 52nd Street and Harlem rain have nothing to do with the mythical South that Robbie always mentioned in his interviews promoting that album. It seems more like the album was written for The Band, and when they bailed out, he came up with this other theme. I still love it, though, and it holds a special place in my heart, as it came out at about the peak of my discovering/worshipping The Band.

I do think that the modern production sounds on RR's albums, especially the first one, are in part a desire to do something different from The Band, and from what people were expecting from him.

BTW, has anyone listened to the new songs on Bruce Springsteen's site? None of them are really that good, IMO, unfortunately. "41 Shots" was great, though.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - for people interested in the real Storyville district of New Orleans, there's a great book by Al Rose entitled "Storyville, New Orleans." It's got a history of the district, lots of photos, a listing of all the musicians who played there, copies of brochures from the sporting houses, even interviews with former prostitutes. As an added bonus, it's got lots of pictures of naked fat chicks, and gross, perverted stories and reminicenes - reminecens - remins - ah, hell, it's late. Gross things. It's right up my alley! There's a great story about the oyster dance that a naked girl would perform - putting a raw oyster on her forehead, shimmying and shakin' it all the way down her torso and leg, then kickin' it with her foot back to her forehead again. If you want to know why I'm still Back with No Wife, it's because I've yet to find one who can do that! But the book is awesome. You can probably find it on e-bay, maybe. But if you do, remember to send my finder's fee. When I was in New Orleans, about five years ago, someone in the jazz museum said that there were only two buildings left from Storyville - a crib house, or bottom line brothel, and another one, standing alone in the middle of a parking lot just waiting for the wrecking ball. Apparently, and amazingly, the government of New Orleans has zero respect for these wonderful old historic buildings that draw so many visitors to the city. They even tore down Louis Armstrong's birthplace. And unfortunately, where Storyville was is now a wretched ghetto, so I wouldn't recommend anyone try to take a look at the buildings that are left, if they still are. But the jazz museum does have the stone from in front of Lulu White's legendary Mahagony Hall, where all the falutin' sports would step down from their carriages for an evening of revelry.

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Ilkka

To Jake, from Espoo, right? - The Americans are still in sleep so I MAYBE can answer before they do: VISIONS OF JOHANNA.
In the same song "the heat pipes just cough". The legend tells that the heat pipes literally "cough" in Chelsea Hotel. Can some of our newyorkers check this out during their morning jog?

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Long Distance Operator

... have now taken my place...

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Jake

"Inside the museums infinity goes up on trial ..."

Can you name the song?

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nick again

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Caledonia

I'm always interested in any connections between my two favorite bands (The Band & The Rolling Stones). As mentioned in LH's book, GH played in Marianne Faithfull's touring band around 1987. I think it would have been highly amusing to see GH interacting w/Marianne (they're complete opposites!). I can just hear Marianne, with her upper-class English accent, saying "Now Garth darling ..." Marianne has another connection w/The Band: she is very good friends w/Van Morrison. The following quote appears in her autobiography:

"He's like my mentor, really, Van. I tell him about my personal problems and he gives me advice. It's like having a hotline to G-d. Better than G-d, because he's here."

Marianne also describes the impact her physical attributes have on Van Morrison. Whenever she gives him a hug "It's always a bit much for Van. He whispers in my ear - he's got a very comical Belfast accent - 'Couldna we gait to know each other a bit bettah?' I give him a killer look. Van the Man is one of my dearest friends and very funny."

My other favorite Band/Stones connection is the song Deuce & a Quarter recorded by LH and Keith Richards ... a dream come true!

In December 1999, Rolling Stone magazine published "outtake" photos from the archives of various photographers. A photo of RR taken by Annie Liebovitz after TLW concert was included w/the following text:

"There was such a wonderful feeling in the air," says RR, "and a sadness too. It was a magical, musical conclusion. It was more of a New Orleans funeral than your usual burial." Robertson, here pictured in the shower that served as the artists' dressing room, lost his shirt that night. "I look kind of stoned, but it's not that, unfortunately," he recalls. "I was so tired. Annie wanted to take my picture and I was saying 'Not now. Really, do we have to?' I had just noticed that somebody had stolen my shirt. I had changed before the encore and left it in there. Nice shirt, too."

Steve Knowlton: I also love "Sleeping." It's a beautiful song and the lyrics are haunting (especially in retrospect).

JTull Fan: I finally got to watch TLW DVD and saw Paul Butterfield playing that amazing harp (briefly) during "Mannish Boy."

Did anyone watch the A&E biography on Bill Graham? I'm curious what other people thought (The Band's road manager appeared on the show and TLW was briefly mentioned).

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John

I know he's been talked about here, and I seem to recall he's even posted here once or twice, but if anyone here hasn't seen one of his shows, GO immediately if you get a chance. I just got back from seeing him, and he did a tribute to "The late, great Rick Danko" and played It Makes No Difference. Later on during the encore he did Dixie, then finished the show alone on the keyboards with a great version of The Weight. It was very obvious that he played these songs with alot of passion. I felt bad that our group seemed to be the only ones who really got into those songs (Though most of the crowd did seem to at least know the 'na na na nah-nah-nah na' in Dixie).

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Brien Sz

Subject: Band Albums

My vote goes to Ricks first solo record as the most Band sounding - Maybe it's the production and voice but isn't that Band like. I never fully "got" the Storyville/Band thing. Yea I can imagine the Band doing Night Parade, Go Back To Your Wood and What About Now (maybe)but the rest - I really don't see it (or hear it) As for the guy who said RR solo cd has one listenable song - well too bad for you.., As far as Band sound alikes, Counting Crows new one Hard Candy has some Band like songs - AND believe it or not, Wilco's new one, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, has a lot of Band flavor to it, as well as bits of Pink Floyd and Beatles, Srgt. Peppers flavorings mixed in. It's a brilliantly odd album.

Another note about Ricks album - though RR is a better writer, Ricks first is better and more listenable than Cahoots and Islands. And I prefer to listen to it over NLSC (which I like a lot but prefer the live versions of most of those songs)

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Hank

Subject: If you can't recall the reason..........

Jeez, you guys!.......'n gals!........

Let's imagine a scenario where, RR and MS decided to NOT include "Dry Yer Eyes" in the movie:

Hmmmmmmn....What woulda THAT provoked? Let's see......

1 ND management, his MILLIONS of fans and ND hisself woulda been COMPLETELY pissed off.....

2 We'd spend years here in The GB, Levonistas, Robertsonians et al discussing it and folks would be DEMANDING it be shown somewhere, somehow...........

3 Whatever yer having yerself...........

Listen, people, I already TOLD you......

The only thing wrong with Neil Diamond at TLW was his choice of song....."Dry Yer Eyes" is really not much of a song..."Beautiful Noise" woulda been much better......and woulda served the narrative of the movie just as well...if not better.......

Levon played great for ND, all the same, and injected a bit of passion into it....otherwise it's just sanctimoniuous drivel......"more than bein' holy" blah blah blah.....yeah, right, Neil.......

The line that goes "If you can't recall the singer, can you STILL recall the tune?" forgets the very important idea of:

"The SINGER, not the song"............The songs are great, no doubt....but I really have no difficulty recalling Rick, Levon and Richard...........or Frank Sinatra or Sid Vicious or Elvis Presley, even....They did it Their Way...........

"Money Talks, but it don't sing or dance and it can't walk" (That's a good line, actually.....) I like Neil Diamond, I'll have you know, by the by,...although I don't himk he's as good a songwriter as Bob Dylan....or Bobby Charles...or Muddy Waters............

How many times do I gotta write this down for y'all? Now, don't mention it again.........even whilst yer talking amongst yerselves!.......

BEG......The reason we didn't do Band songs in NYC was 'cos we were working with a session drummer and rehearsed mainly our own songs that week in NYC....we DID play "Caravan, tho' which kinda half qualifies.....I think.........(I was hoping Peter Viney would fly from The UK to NYC for the gigs.....but alas.......I'll have to gig in Dorset, it seems..........)

As you probably know, it's a bit of a bummer to "jam" out on Band songs......the guitarist and bassist and the singer might know all the chords and words but , for some reason, if a drummer is not sussed to Band songs...it would not sound that good.....

Oh yeah, I remember the "some reason"......the way Levon plays 'em!....

I'm glad you liked "Twilight", tho'.....AND IF you didn't leave so quick I woulda pulled out the acoustic and serenaded you Band songs in Washington Square Park....but NO!....you disappeared into the New York night.........( I'll just have gig in Toronto, it seems!) see you there, darlin'!......I'm still knocked out to know you were there in NYC..........

Peace to you.......one and all.............

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jason

Subject: a memory

we recently were moving some old stuff out of the way when i chanced to find some photos i had taken after a show the band did in charlotte n.c. back in late '85 or early '86.the show was everything we had hoped and more and afterwards my wife and i hung around the back door waiting to see the guys. well,our patience was paid off with a nice visit with the group who allowed me to take poloroids of them which they later signed.they were very friendly and warm,not to mention forgiving of our intrusion. rick was asking me directions to a well known poker house /brothel when i warned him that it was a biker hang out. well,he looks at me and says"yeah? well i got one of them bikes too".we could not get over how nice they were,levon about talked my ear off and richard was making sly comments off to the side.garth just seemed shy and quiet. .as we were leaving and they were piling back into the beat up ford van with a roll of toilet tissue on the dash,i called out "screw old robbie anyway,who needs him". to which someone in the van replied "nope,we're the ones gettin' screwed",and they all laughed one of those gallows laughs as the van pulled away.

it was a short time later that we heard of the death of richard.we felt as if we had lost a family member and in fact the family that is music did indeed lose a loved one. i don't think we will see their like again.

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Dave Hopkins

Subject: production

Sure, Robbie's albums are slick and synthy, but so were NLSC and Islands...not everyone's cup of tea, perhaps (certainly not Neil Young's, he of Time Fades Away and Tonight's the Night), but the distance between the early and late Band, sonically speaking, is arguably just as great or greater than between the late Band and RR/Storyville. "Go Back to Your Woods" sounds so much like "Forbidden Fruit" that it's practically self-plagiarism on the part of Mr. Robertson. I might personally prefer the sparse John Simon productions of the early Band to the airtight later albums, or prefer Garth Hudson's fingers on the keyboard of a Lowery instead of a Moog, but I wouldn't argue that the later material -- which served as a departure for Robertson's solo career -- is less "Bandlike."

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JTull Fan

Subject: Songwriters and Performers

Without question RR is a better songwriter than, let's say, Rick Danko was. But Danko, and the rest of the Band, were better PERFORMERS in my opinion, and in terms of what was the Band's primary essence, if I had to choose between songwriting and performance, I would choose their ability to perform. Crazy Mamma, for all the derision it receives out here, was a damn good fun song to see performed live. Hell, and I've said it before, The Band could emotionally effect people by performing The Alphabet Song if they wished! That's how good they were. Normally, when a Band splits, I follow the songwriter, ie. Brian Wilson or Roger Waters of Pink Floyd. To me, they were the essential essence and soul of The Beach Boys/Pink Floyd. I was absolutely apalled when Floyd regrouped without Waters, and always preferred his solo efforts to those of the Gilmour/Mason/Wright version. Bob Dylan, perhaps the greatest songwriter of a generation, is arguably not a good performer (though I think he is) and is best covered by others, including the Band. But for me, The Band sans RR retains its' soul for me, and that is again because I think there performance is more important than their material. Don't get me wrong, in RR they had a profoundly good songwriter and were blessed to have his talents and contributions, as were the rest of us fans and those in the music world. The Band just had an extremely rare overabundance of talent virtually unequaled.

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nick

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Peter Viney

OK … what first? Can anyone here invalidate my point that the solo members of The Band did not appear to carry any major longing to play the blues (as opposed to soul, folk, a bit of country) into their solo works, with the exception of Levon?

Last time we discussed Storyville in detail, the consensus was that the compositions were the most Band like. I think it’s a general view, not my invention. I’m not getting into a Rick versus Robbie contest because I love both of their contributions. One has a better voice, one is a better songwriter. Seems fair to me. But if anyone feels the lyrics, melody, musical invention or arrangement of Java Blues is in the same league as … Soap Box Preacher, Breaking the Rules, Fallen Angel, Somewhere Down the Crazy River, Go Back to Your Woods – then I guess it’s all just opinion anyway, and I’m sure you’ll be happy listening to live tapes of The Band doing Crazy Mama until the end of time. (You should have given Small Town Talk as the example anyway then I might have been convinced). I personally am queuing up to buy the remaster of Danko’s first solo album, which I have on vinyl and CD.

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Dave Z

Fore!!!! Did anybody see my stray drive?... Oh well, I just luv Storyville... Great CD... I even bought on Ebay that thing The Story of Storyville... luv it too... now, I'll just hit a low eight iron out of this rough... through the whispering pines... and get back to my fairway... take care... I love all the solo stuff... how can you not?

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molly girl

Subject: luka

hi luka.. it's good to hear from you again. let me know how everythings going when you have more time. your friend, molly

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bob wigo

I can only speak for myself....making the comparisons, noting the similarities in song styles, the differences in production styles, etc. in no way infers that I wish those songs were anything other than what they are. I'm not certain anyone else here said anything to that effect either.

Just idle banter to pass a little time.

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richie the brit

Subject: bandlike solo albums

solo albums which sound like the band ?surely this is rather a pointless discussion.why would any body want to compare band solo albums with the group efforts.i mean, nobody listens clapton's records and ponders which ones sound like cream. the whole joy for me of a solo album is to see how a particular musician adapts to a new environment ie, how he plays with different musicians, whats the new music like etc. the clapton album with delaney and bonnie is a joy and a world away from cream and thank god for that. robbies albums may have different production nuances to that of the band. great its still good music especially the last redboy album. my fav.'solo' album? gearge's all things must pass.absolute magic, now thats a solo album that can be compared to the band for obvious well documented reasons. by the way, anybody who fails to see the musical bloodline between the band and muddy waters must be insane.

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Ragtime

But... why should we? These guys all went their own musical ways, gathered their own bunch of friends to help them, and why not? The Band was over, why live in the past?

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JTull Fan

Subject: Band-like

Ahh, I've got you now Peter Viney! If it is 'songwriting', not 'performance' that makes a song Band or unBand-like, then by your reasoning Joan Baez' The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down is more Band-like than, say, anything on the Post-Robbie Band albums. Bah! (p.s., I still like you though) Bah!

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biffalo bull

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Nick

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David Powell

Subject: Muddy Waters

The man from Tennessee questions the significance of Muddy Waters' relationship to The Band. Many, myself included, surely may find this premise proposterous. The direct influence of many forms of African-American music upon The Band, as well as upon their comtemporary guests at TLW, is immeasurable. What better tribute to this fact than to include Muddy Waters and the Staples as part of The Last Waltz? Sure, TLW was Robbie's brainchild and Levon apparently had to lobby hard for Muddy's inclusion, but the end result is more than a fitting tribute, it is a magnificent performance.

Muddy Waters was a true blues original. With the passing of Sonny Boy II and Howlin' Wolf's declining health, who better to invite to represent the blues at TLW? Eric Clapton and Paul Butterfield were such devoted followers of Muddy, that he could almost be considered a father-figure to their own careers. One can also hear the direct influence of Muddy in the music of Van Morrison. After the Hawks parted ways with Ronnie Hawkins, their music became even more immersed in the blues. In 1965, when Levon, Robbie & Garth recorded with John Hammond, they performed two particularly fine versions from Muddy's repertoire, "Long Distance Call" and "I Want You To Love Me".

No less a group than the Rolling Stones took their name from one of Muddy's songs. When Dylan later incorporated the title of that same song in his blazing crossover into full-bore electric rock, it would later result in Dylan choosing the Hawks to provide that level of intensity as a back-up group.

Out of all the guests at The Last Waltz, Muddy Waters and the Staples were the true originals, the "real deal", in the lineage of music history. One could look upon all the other participants at TLW as their progeny -- talented descendents who took many influences and blended it into their own unique styles of music.

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Peter Viney

Band-like solo albums, well no reason why they should be, I agree – the first Rick Danko is a contender, because it has the voice. But it doesn’t have the same consistent quality of songs. American Son seems Band-like – but maybe it’s just the best Levon solo album. Storyville is the great lost Band album- everything on that would have suited The Band perfectly. On the first Robbie solo album, you overlook Fallen Angel, not only a song about Richard (I know Robbie has said it’s a tribute but was written before Richard’s death), but also a song which evokes the style and spirit of Richard. Broken Arrow is another possible. Somewhere Down the Crazy River is atypical, because I can’t conceive of anyone but Robbie singing it – unusual in The Band. But it is a great song, and I’m sure Garth could have done some different but equally interesting sweetening and texturing to it. In the end, the songwriting carries more weight than the performance.

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luka

hey molly. just want to let you know that i got your messages. don't have enough time right now. just wanted to say hi. was on holidays aswell. talk to you later.

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zimmer_51

A lot of stuff on Dylan and The Band...Great job guys!!! Check out my Bob Dylan homepage at http://geocities.com/zimmer_51/index.html

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Band Like Or Not?

I was asking a different question J Tull.....I beat to my own drum as well.....;-D

Hank: When I saw you perform the same week I saw Garth perform in NYC....but this time with your band....ya said you'd play as many Band songs as there were Band posters in the audience from this site......I remember "Twilight" (you always honour Rick).....did I miss the second one????.....I'm glad your show was taped again since I screwed up my film........When are you coming to Toronto?....:-D

When I saw the Crowmatix with Garth at The Hard Rock Cafe I forgot to mention that I enjoyed dancing away to the very playful "Bullfrog".....

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JTull Fan

Subject: Band-like

Brown-Eyed Girl: I think the subject was as to which solo lp's sounded Band-like rather than whether they SHOULD sound Band-like or not. I absolutely agree artists should be free to chart their own individual course, and I love Garth's solo work. At the same time, much of Robbie's solo work does not appeal to me. I have nothing against him; I'm just luke-warm to his post-Band output. The question of post-Band solo work being similar to Band work is legit, as even though no longer functioning within the unit, each individual still posssess the unique qualities they brought to it. The BEatles solo work is really just an extension of late period Beatles, particularly the White Album. To paraphrase Lennon and Harrison, the Beatles began to function as solo artists on the later albums anyways, and if you really wanted a new Beatles album you could just make a Best Of tape of all your favorite solo Beatles work and that is your new Beatles album. Similarly, a Band fan could compile a CDR of solo work, and if not creating a new Band album, at least create a satisfactory collection of Band-like tunes.

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Stanley Landau

The Breakers. OK not the vocal (which I think is great) but the rest of the song.

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Ragtime

Well, if it had been produced in a far more moderate way by John Simon, if Rick, Richard and Levon had been the singers, if Garth... and-so-on...

My fave Band-like songs: Danko's Once Upon A Time, Helm's Hurricane, Robertson's Go back To Your Woods

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Creativity and.....

CREATIVE: original, imaginative.....Why would you want the solo Band members to sound like the original Band if they were to explore their OWN musical vision??.....(the way Dylan always did)......There was only one Band....Why would you want to tarnish their legacy when it could never be the same magic????......Hence I moved on with Robbie's solo work and Garth's.....although my only complaint with SEA TO THE NORTH is that Maud is hardly featured.....She blew me away in Toronto!!!!.....I can't forget her voice.....the muscle of the soul.....I have all of Rick's solo work and the reformed Band and most of Levon's work as well.....But I have always been drawn more.......to artists who beat to their own drum....at all costs......

As far as Neil Diamond.....As I have posted in the past.....This was the only time I have ever seen Robbie show some irritation when he was asked why he included Neil in TLW.....Robbie's response....."I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT WORKS!".....He was very proud that Neil's BEAUTIFUL NOISE did so well for him......When I saw TLW in the movie theatre recently with a former Band poster.......I actually started getting into the tune for the first time......lol......I think all the bashing on this website made me watch and listen with an open mind for the first time......

Bill Munson: Isn't it cool that another person who grew up by the Grand River.....Ray Perdue.....was actually the one who introduced Buddy Cage to BIG PINK?

Back With Wit: Thanks for always showing us the other side.....It's too bad that people just can't admit that they have different musical tastes and leave it at that.....instead of always getting nasty....no wonder so many band fans rarely post anymore......

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bob wigo

And, at least to my ear, damned near the entire "Storyville" disc.

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John D

Levon Helm's American Son
Rick Danko's 1st Solo Album
Robertson's one track of Showdown At Big Sky

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Paul S Vinson

Subject: Uncle Ben

COTTON IS KING----find law message board. calling Hank Williams Jr......come in please ! over ! ....................FOR THE CAUSE......................... I have no money........you hear that BIG RIVER.?......Woulda done called it quits, but he don't know me......I says when it's quittin' time....You don't know me either BIG RIVER, but you're GONNA.....I got Virginians taking orders from the FBI.... ........You doesn't take orders from the FBI, PEOPLE...neither do you , General.....For $20,000.....I'll put FBI and the General, no not that GENERAL, on trial in the Supreme Court.................................. ............................................................. Tidewater 4-1009-----------OVER AND OUT ............................................................. You hear that Anthony D. Ramero, ACLU---I'll put Ashcroft on trial for twenty thousand.... You know Uncle Ben? Benjamin Franklin Vinson, senior and Junior. Senior shot a Yankee sniper out of a tree just north of Macon Georgia. His Gran Maw took her petty coat off, gave it to Sam Houston....Them bloomers is still flyin'---he raised it on the Flag pole. Ben Jr., his son died in Macon in about 1992. Good heart. I figure he was pretty proud and brave. ....Thomas Oscar Vinson was captured at Vicksburg,,,Yankee prison...28,000 died in Yankee prison page 209, 2001 World Almanac....... ''''

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JTull Fan

Subject: solo work

Bob Wigo: I'll give you your last point. Given similar production styles and arrangements those RR songs could be quite Band-like.

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bob wigo

Not trying to make a case one way or another but I have always felt that "Showdown at Big Sky", "Broken Arrow" and "Sonny Got Caught in the Moonlight" are very much in tune with The Band's catalog. I believe RR's first solo effort was less in tune with The Band's sensibilities on the production side.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Most Band-like solo lp's

Peter V.: Normally I don't respond to your posts because I agree with most and can't improve upon them, but I have a niggling little issue with your last one. Rick Danko's first solo effort is without a doubt to me the most Band-like of all the solo efforts. Robbie's first effort, with the exception of Somwhere Down The Crazy River, is NOT Bandlike

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gilberta iman

The constant drone of "Rainman" information is livened by BWNWIT's witty and downright charming quips. I hope you are using your power for Good in the outside world, BWN. How refreshing to read the opinion of an intellegent being ! It's not that I always agree with you. In fact, most of the time I don't give a damn about the endless whinning and hostile postings. In the real world, who wrote what, when, with whom, why, etc., really doesn't matter. Turn the volumn up and enjoy the music. Jeepers ! ....And I would never entertain the thought of ever debating BWNWIT. Thanks for your posts......you're a positive vibe.

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Jenny T

Well Rick Wakeman did a beautiful job on that piano is all I can say! Our pianist is very good but recently from the Ukraine, and I wonder if he has ever heard Cat's version of the song. Our church is VERY free thinking, and they really mix up the music. There is a joke that our denomination sings so badly because we are always reading ahead to see if we agree with the words. Sometimes we have a four man Celtic band called Brittany Bay play and they are very good--EVERYBODY comes then. But since it expresses appreciation for the beauty of creation I can't imagine Morning Has Broken would be considered inapropriate even in more traditional denominations. Apparently it's an old Irish melody.

One of the things that made Cat Stevens so appealing to me as a young teen searching for a path was that he appeared to be searching too. So many of his songs have thoughtful religious or spiritual themes. I read somewhere that Father and Son was inspired by the Buddha's leaving home to seek the truth. Of course I also loved the deep voice and the melodies and the charisma.

I wanted to let everyone who has the E! Entertainment channel that tonight may be the night they show the Saturday Night Live with the Band--the one they showed yesterday announced that "next week" the Band would be on, so if they are playing them in order (are they?) tonight will be the night. I am going to be ready to tape just in case.

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Peter Viney

Dave’s probably right that there was a deal of wisdom after the event in the breadth of TLW. There was almost a tit-for-tat, wasn’t there? And the ‘production pals’ tended to be recent – Muddy Waters’ Woodstock Album was 1975, Neil Diamond’s Beautiful Noise was 1976. Rick’s production pal, Bobby Charles, was a longer link. And Richard was supposedly the closest to Van. Did Garth get a choice? They’d played with Neil Young in 1975 at SNACK in San Francisco as well as touring with CSN and Rick and Levon playing on ‘On the Beach’. Robbie had played guitar on Joni’s ‘Raised on Robbery’ Sure it was commercial – there were loads of people they could have invited who weren’t commercial enough. Also (much as I like his more recent adventures) you really couldn’t have put John Hammond Jnr on the same bill as Muddy Waters, in his own interest as much as anyone else’s. I’ve mentioned Mickey Jones – they should have brought him on with Dylan and done ‘Like a Rolling Stone’. As the time around Blonde on Blonde was so hugely influential on Robbie at least, Al Kooper would have been another for the same song. Not needed, obviously (nor was Ringo), but a gesture appearance.

Looking at the solo careers, I think this whole “deep affinity with the blues” stuff applies only to Levon. Richard mixed standard cabaret songs and soul in his solo act. Rick mixed folk with a touch of country and blues. Garth – well, Garth plays everything (and it comes out as Garth too) but is much more contemporary. Robbie has the Native American stuff, and like Garth a much keener ear for other contemporary music forms. And Robbie (naturally) is the one whose solo albums are most Band-like. They had a “deep affinity with the blues” as The Hawks, but so did every other band in those days. They didn’t get anywhere until they developed past doing 12 bars extraordinarily well, which lots of other bands could do. Think of the bands with this supposed deep affinity who actually became truly successful once they’d cut it out of their acts, or limited it to a couple of cameos – Fleetwood Mac, Van Morrison, The Stones (who kept closer to the blues than any other major band) … Seriously, I can’t see ‘Dry your Eyes’ offending anyone except Levon. Look at Rick and Richard’s solo numbers.

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Dave Hopkins

Subject: just some squeezed-out text

I always thought that the idea that the various Last Waltz guests were deliberately chosen to "represent" different genres of music was primarily an artificial, after-the-fact claim of formal conceptualization that was not necessarily present when the Band was preparing for the concert itself (especially given its hasty organization). To me, the fact that the group invited a few of its buddies and former collaborators (starting with Dylan and the Hawk and proceeding to Morrison, Young, Mitchell, Waters, Charles, Rebannack, Butterfield, Clapton, and Diamond) and naturally produced a lineup of not only accomplished but stylistically diverse musicians is a tribute to the breadth of the Band's musical versatility, experience, and reputation. Obviously, the idea of making formal connections to a number of musical styles was incorporated at some point into the concept of the film, prompting the subsequent sessions with the Staples and Emmylou Harris (who hadn't worked with the Band before) to provide the gospel and country flavors not emphasized by the guests at the Winterland. As far as I'm concerned, Neil Diamond was there that night because Robbie had worked with him, not to "represent Tin Pan Alley" or to make some statement about the relationship between his music and the Band's. The fact that I might have preferred Carole King on a soundstage singing "Smackwater Jack" is simply a matter of personal opinion.

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And furthermore...

If you're going to try a pissing contest with me, you'd better accept that I could write the Gettysburg Address, in Arabic, with annotated footnotes, while you'd be lucky to squeeze out a semicolon.

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BWNWITennessee

BTW, didn't Bob Margolin say in the TLW box-set (mine got stolen, probably by a Levonista) that the only reason Muddy Waters was at the show was because it was "Levon's group," and that he didn't know anything about The Band, or the show? I'd say it's a safe bet that Neil Diamond at least had a better idea as to what the occasion was all about. Levon says in "his" book that he recommended that they tell Robertson that they "don't know who the fuck Neil Diamond is." Well, I guess in turn, Muddy Waters could have told Levon that he didn't know who the fuck four-fifths of The Band were. I'd ask for a responce, Nicky, if only out of curiosity to see how many different ways you could phrase, "I don't know."

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Nick

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Nick

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BWNWITennessee

Hey Nick, buddy, do you mind explaining to me just exactly what the difference is between Muddy Waters and Neil Diamond in relationship to The Band, other than that you in your immense wisdom have deemed Muddy to be a more viable artist? Because the fact is, Neil was there because Robbie produced his album, Muddy was there because Levon produced his album. Hate to break it to ya, pal, but that's all there is. Robbie produced "Beautiful Noise," Levon produced "The Woodstock Album." Well, except that Levon didn't actually produce it, he drove Muddy around town; one would imagine that he lacks the ability and ambition to actually produce an entire record, as his post-TLW ouvre would substantiate. So, could you please tell me what other significance Muddy Waters has to The Band? Did they play with him as the Hawks? Did they tour with him? Did they record with him? Watch him on King Biscuit? No. Levon produced his album. So, again, what exactly is the difference between him and Neil Diamond? Oh, that's right, the difference is that you like Levon better, because he's got a Southern Drawl, or maybe because you got wasted with him a couple years ago.

Maybe Kay, that anonymous weasel, can explain it for me.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Rock'n'Roll Past & Rock'n'Roll Future...

I guess we should all be grateful that The Band never reached the type of Elvis-level success that spawns the sort of stupidity shown by the link above. A company in my home state of Virginia is producing limited edition, extremely expensive, commemorative Elvis firearms. Only in America...

Meanwhile, back in the land of music, I caught a concert in Baltimore last week to humor my teenage daughter but was really impressed by the gutsy performance of the tremendously talented singer-songwriter John Mayer. He is just emerging from a sort of college/cult following and teetering on the edge of mainstream success. His carefully crafted, energetic and melodic pop gems bring to mind the best work of NRBQ, but with the polished punch of a Nick Lowe and the lyrical intelligence of that OTHER Elvis, Costello. He could easily fall into the abyss of corporate rock product if he isn't careful, but the fact that this guy at age 25 can ignore screaming girls calling out song titles from his hit CD while he nailed a Hendrix cover with his Strat in Baltimore makes me think that this kid might be around for a while.

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Nick

Dave w., I apologize for not paying attention. You were obviously referring to Neil Diamond not Neil Young! My fault. Neil D. had no business being in the Last Waltz. That was just RR trying to sell a record he produced or something. A most shameful moment. Wasn't RR making enough money without resorting to that? Tin Pan Alley my ass. Should have had Danko's boy Bobby Charles on screen doing "Down in New Orleans". Now that man could bring it! Not commercial enough I guess compared to the great Neil Diamond. Then again we we're lucky to get Muddy Waters from what Scorcese says. They missed his first song altogether and had to scramble to get 1 camera on him for "I'm a Man". There was never a doubt about the soulless Neil Diamond getting his moment with that horrible "Dry Your Eyes". Yeah, I'd rather see that than Richard doing "Georgia" or Muddy doing anything. All that pre-production and they make sure we get Neil Diamond and almost don't shoot Muddy Waters. What could they have been thinking? It just irks me but I know it's still a great movie though.

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Mike Nomad

Subject: Ware Glover, Alan Lomax

Thanks to J. Haust for the background on Ware Glover. Interesting stuff indeed. Also, to Rollie for the other-side perspective on Lomax.

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Pehr

Sorry to hear of the passing of Mr. Lomax, whose scholarly work and recordings have given me so much into the music I love .

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rosalind

Jenny T._ You sang "Morning Has Broken" in Church? Boy things sure have changed. When I was going to church we'd sing "The Old Rugged Cross" I prefer the Latter. as in "Climbing Jacob's Latter". We also used to think that that "Rapture" everybody yaks about was actually "Rafters" as in "going up thru the rafters" I liked it better that way...it was much more genuine!

David W._ Good Point!

Rich_ "Alright Curly. Enough is Enough! Don't eat the Venetion Blinds...I just had them installed on Wednesday."

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JTull Fan

Subject: Andy R. and TLW

Andy: your last post offers one of those increasingly rare, scintillating and intriguing tidbits. How frustrating not to have Richard's last song on Jericho! Peter V. I think Carly Simon could have offered a great replacements for one of Joni Mitchell's. Can you imagine Levon and Rick belting out Mick Jagger's part on You're So Vain?

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Andy R.

Subject: Goffin/King songs...

GBers might be interested to know that the last song written by Richard Manuel was called "Breaking New Ground". Richard, Carole King and Gerry Goffin wrote it. I have a demo of Carole King singing it...The Band tried it out when working up what was to become the Jericho album, but I understand it just never worked out correctly and they abandoned it!! Richard never recorded it as far as I know.

I met Gerry Goffin in Woodstock (Richard introduced me to him). His ex-wife Barbara Goffin and their son .lived in Woodstock for many years.

Andybr67@aol.com

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G-Man

Hey Bundy,,,,,don't miss the JIM WEIDER BAND at Hamilton, NY!! Saw them 7/20 at the Turning Point(Great Club and staff),,,!!! JW,,the BEST was at his BEST-awesome! Albert Rogers rocked; left hand looked like a giant lobster crawlin along them bass strings!!!!! Gary Burke,,kept the beat goin; fillin Rando's sneakers(Yikes)!! Speedy Dan McKinney,,,some super work on the keys!!!! A group ya don't want to miss!!!

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Peter Viney

David P continues the Carole King theme – ‘September’ was years before ‘Tapestry’ and her mega-success. The CD ‘Dimension Dolls’ features her protegeés, Little Eva and The Cookies, as well as Carole solo. Her songs include ‘Going Back’, ‘Creeping Midnight’ (Seatrain), Crying in the Rain, Up on the Roof, Will You Love Me Tomorrow?, Oh, No, Not My Baby!, One Fine Day, Just Once in My Life, Don’t Ever Change, Pleasant Valley Sunday, I Just Want to Stay Here, Natural Woman, Take Good Care of My Baby, He’s in Town, Some of Your Loving, The Locomotion, Chains, Uptown … without going into her later solo career.The Connoisseur Collection CD “Goffin & King Songbook” is a highly recommended collection of originals by diverse artists. She deserved to be the alternative choice to Neil Diamond if we’re talking commercial songwriters.

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David Powell

Subject: Carole King & Counting Crows

Carole King's singing & piano playing garnered attention long before she started her career as a performer. Begining with her collaborations with her then-husband, Gerry Goffin, Ms. King would do the singing & playing on the demos of the songs she wrote. Through the circulation of those demos, Ms. King's performing talents were already "legendary" throughout the music industry.

The version of Counting Crows' "Hard Candy" released in the U.S. contains a "hidden track". A cover of Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi" (they paved paradise) is buried in the disc a couple of minutes after the last-listed song is finnished.

Richard Manuel is not the only singer alluded to on "Hard Candy". The Crows also slyly mention the talented Scotsman, Frankie Miller, in the title of another song. Band fans might be interested to know that Frankie Miller released a fine album in 1974, "High Life", that features the production, playing & songwritng of the great Allen Toussaint.

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Bill

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BUNDY

Subject: Colgate (Hamilton Garus Concert)

Welp! Loks as though we'll be hedin dwn to hamilton this Sat pm for a Weider Show.. Real close to the home front so the commute will be quik.. The Good Doctor is back from "Down Under" with many (new) stories to relate (he even picked up a few tribal chants he might be willing to share with an appreciative audience). We will be looking forward to some fine music by the guys.. See yall Sat.

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richie the brit

Subject: morning has broken

interestingly, the piano player on the cat stevens verssion of morning has broken is none other than rick wakeman.i heard this from rick himself in a low key gig performed in a small church. rick went on to perform a lovely instrumental version of mhb. he then told the audience he was offered 2 jobs around this time. yes or bowie as he had played on some early bowie albums. we all know what happened next.cheers. richie

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Peter Viney

Brill Building – those songwriters trying to get to record their own stuff included Goffin / King. Their songs turn up all over the place by the most unlikely people. I spent ages trying to track down ‘I Just Want To Stay Here’ by Steve & Eydie, a big 1963 hit that’s never on compilations. Turns out that it’s ‘Goffin – King’ as so many songs you know well are. As for Dylan’s comment, Carole King beat him to it with ‘It Might As Well Rain Until September’.

The UK Counting Crowes ‘Hard Candy’ album has two “UK only bonus tracks” one of which is ‘You Ain’t Going Nowhere’ for those seeking a Band connection. I don’t think too much of the song referencing Richard Manuel, but it’s a very good album … but not as good as the new Solomon Burke playing asI write …

Maybe Dave Marsh isn’t always wrong … I think that the people down in the country can’t have failed to notice how often these folklorists ended up with joint or sole credit on songs. Maurice Levy did it to rock, and looked like he would. Some of the academic ones looked like your pal … until you got your shared royalty. And my reading of the 1965 Newport events sticks with me. All my opinions have to be taken in this light- on a desert island, if I could only have soul records or folk records, I’d always take the soul ones.

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Bill

JQ also mentioned Andy Bey, whose sister, Salome Bey, has been living in Toronto since the mid-'60s and appeared (with Richard Manuel et many al) on "Tears Are Not Enough".

Finally, regarding Jan Haust's informative post, it has been pointed out a number of times in this guestbook over the years that the Canadian Squires record was done in NY in '65 and was released by the NY-based Ware label. Robert Bowman mistakenly said that the record was done in '64 for the Toronto-based Ware label. Unfortunately, those errors have never been corrected (outside of here) since they first appeared in a Goldmine article in the '80s; even more unfortunately, they've been repeated by Bowman and others in comp and boxed set notes and in a couple of books. I think they even appear in the history section of this site (or at least they used to).

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Nick

Dave W., Are you saying Bill Graham never booked Neil Young to play for him? I'm sure this isn't the case. For example Graham booked some CSNY shows. He talks about it in the Bill Graham Presents book. Neil was also a part of the S.N.A.C.K. benefit in San Francisco ('75) and played in a supergroup that included Danko and Dylan (Garth?, Richard too? not Levon or RR though). These are of the top of my head. I think Bill Graham liked Neil.

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Jenny T

We sang Morning Has Broken in church yesterday--I never knew it was not a Cat Stevens original until I saw it in the hymnal. It is one of my favorites for church, though the piano is not quite the same and no one in our church sings very well. As we do it I always hear Cat in my head which improves it considerably.

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Jenny T

Subject: Nick Drake & Cat Stevens

This web page is from the archives of the NYTimes--I remember reading the article when it came out and found it for you, but they want $2.95 if you want to read the whole thing. It was a compare and contrast type piece (mostly contrast) that talked about how though both were 70s singer songwriters experiencing a revival, one was originally commercially succesful but not popular with critics (Cat) while the other was vice versa; one was "all man" while the other was effeminate, and so on. I had never heard of Nick Drake before, and only read it 'cause I was a huge Cat Stevens fan as a young teen, but it was pretty good.

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David W

Subject: Tin Pan Alley

Rosalind, sometimes even Robbie is wrong. Tin Pan Alley was a stable of radio song writers who worked out of the Brill Building in NYC. They just cranked out song after song for other artists to perform and it wasn't until Dylan challenged that system by insisting on including his own compositions that the system folded. As Bobby says..."I put an end to it. People can record their own songs now. They're almost expected to do it." By the way...who can direct me to a list which identifies the photos in the "Biograph" booklet? I recognize Clydie King and of course, many of the obvious people, but the photo spread (like the ones on "Blonde on Blonde" and "Hwy 61..." are not identified, just credited. Many thanks in advance. And...getting back to Neil....sometimes a knowlegeable audience has weight too. Bill Graham used to say if you want your dessert (Airplane, Dead etc), ya gotta eat your veggies (Coltrane...Charles Lloyd...etc) So I saw Howlin' Wolf and Mance Lipscomb. But to my knowlege...Bill never booked Neil in any of his shows. If HE didn't see it, then neither did I. And thanks for the correction on "The Weight" being #1. That may have been the position here in the Bay Area.

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Richard

Subject: Faye Dunaway

She gets shot? Thanks a lot Rosalind.

I believe the Dylan quote was, "Beneath every beautiful smell there's something a little bit stinky".

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yazooman

Subject: yahoogroups

There is a new yahoogroups devoted to the digital trading of the live music of The Band. Also outtakes, retakes and what have yous........

If interested,please do join : Bandtrades@yahoogroups.com Yazoo !!!

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rosalind

I am going to bed now and hopefully I will be asleep by the time Faye Dunaway gets shot thru the head in Chinatown! Rest In Peace Y'all

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Bayou Sam

can we rest in Peace while we're still alive? - or would that be "exist in Peace?". We've already proven that we can't exist in Peace...........we ought to give peace a chance..............it's late - I'm tired..........

Peace

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rollie

thanks for settin me straight on that one charlie! But did Lomax actually short change Muddy?And how about Leadbellys kin? Don't know,just checkin.....May we all rest in peace.When the proper time comes ,of course!

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Phil

Subject: Hey Jude Video/ The Weight

I downloaded an mpeg version of the Hey Jude video off KaZaA (shame on me) a few weeks ago and was watching and listening to it today with headphones on, when I noticed during the na na na nanana na fade out, at about 5:26 to 5:34, Paul sings "take a load off fanny-take a load off fanny and put it back on me". How cool! If this is old news, I missed it.

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Charlie Young

Subject: The Legacy of Dave Marsh

When Marsh kicks off, let him be remembered as the guy who wrote an entire book about a crappy frat party anthem ("Louie Louie") and forvever extolled the virtues of a band because they came from his home state of Michigan (the MC5). Now THAT'S a legacy...

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betsy

Subject: butch

"& he's always gone too long, anytime he goes away",,,, rock on, band folks,,, cool site!

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Distraught

Kay: my Karma will always run over you Dogma.

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rollie

(I hope he didn't really rip Muddy off!)Mr. Big Stuff Alan Lomax: Great White Hunter or Thief, Plagiarist and Bigot? by Dave Marsh Seeing Alan Lomax's obituary on the front page of the New York Times irked the hell out of me. Harry Smith syndrome all over again----the Great White "Discoverer" as the axis of cultural genesis. Lomax, wrote Jon Pareles, "advocated what he called 'cultural equity: the right of every culture to have equal time on the air and equal time in the classroom.'" He did? In 1993, when Lomax published The Land Where the Blues Began, his memoir of blues research in the deep South, Peter Bochan invited him to do a WBAI interview. Bochan ventured to Lomax that Elvis Presley stood as a great product of the Southern folk cultures. Lomax firmly denied this, and said that Bochan couldn't even know that Presley had listened as a boy to Sister Rosetta Tharpe's gospel radio show because "You weren't there." He said this so persistently and adamantly -- with all the stupid "folklorist" purism that ruined the folk music revival--that Bochan went home and intercut Lomax's prissy voice and dumb assertions with excerpts from Beavis and Butthead. It aired that way. Even sticking to the blues, Lomax cut a dubious figure. As a veteran blues observer wrote me, "Don't get too caught up in grieving for Alan Lomax. For every fine musical contribution that he made, there was an evil venal manipulation of copyright, publishing and ownership of the collected material." The most notorious concerns "Goodnight Irene." Lomax and his father recorded Huddie "Leadbelly" Ledbetter's song first, so when the song needed to be formally copyrighted because the Weavers were about to have a huge hit with it, representatives of the Ledbetter family approached him. Lomax agreed that this copyright should be established. He adamantly refused to take his name off the song, or to surrender income from it, even though Leadbelly's family was impoverished in the wake of his death two years earlier. Lomax believed folk culture needed guidance from superior beings like himself. Lomax told Bochan what he believed: nothing in poor people's culture truly happened unless someone like him documented it. He hated rock'n'roll--down to instigating the assault against Bob Dylan's sound system at Newport in '65--because it had no need of mediation by experts like himself. The nature of the expert mattered, too. Lomax's obit made the front page mainly because he "discovered" Son House and Muddy Waters. But in Can't Be Satisfied, his new Muddy Waters biography, Robert Gordon shows that Lomax's discoveries weren't the serendipitous events the great white hunter portrayed. Lomax was led to House and then Waters by the great Negro scholar, John Work III of Fisk University. Gordon even shows Lomax plagiarizing Work, and not on a minor point. (See page 51) In his book, Lomax offers precisely one sentence about Work. He eliminated Work from his second Mississippi trip. He also burned Muddy Waters for the $20 he promised for making the records. Maybe the fact that Lomax served as a folk music "missionary" (to use Bob Dylan's term) offsets all this. Provided that it doesn't turn out that Lomax used and discarded ethnic workers worldwide the way he used Work, I guess there's a case to be made. But I do hope that people understand that when Pareles says that "Mr. Lomax wasn't interested in simply discovering stars," part of the meaning is that he didn't want them to get in the way of his self--importance. Sometime soon, we need to figure out why it is that, when it comes to cultures like those of Mississippi black people, we celebrate the milkman more than the milk. Meanwhile, every sentence that will be uttered about Lomax this week--including these--would be better used to describe the great musicians he recorded in the U.S., the Bahamas, and elsewhere. Reading Gordon's book serves as a good corrective.

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richie the brit

Subject: nick drake

dear bayou sam. nick drake. a lost genius, totally uappreciated by the wider music business when he made his 3 masterpieces;5 leaves left;bryter lyter; and his epitaph, pink moon, an album drenched in eloquent despair. the 3 aforementionned albums were repackaged some years ago in a mini box set called fruit tree.there was an extra cd of unreleased material in this package.there's also available an excellent recently made compilation called way to blue:an introduction to nick drake.the crem de la crem for anyone wanting to get into or reaquaint themselves with nick drake is a brilliant biography of nick by patrick humphries called simply nick drake the biography. cheers richie.

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William L. Dewhurst

Subject: Our Lady Queen of the Angels

Can anyone offer a suggestion as to how I can obtain a copy of "Our Lady Queen of the Angels"? I would be very grateful for any guidance.

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JQ

Bayou Sam - My favorite by Nick Drake was off his 1st record called 5 Leaves Left and the track is River Man. It's proufoundly melancholic & lovely. With swelling strings that actually work. I've always thought it was about fixing up. There's a line that includes "lilac time"; lilac being of the genus syringa. That's my take anyway, maybe I'm stating the very obvious. Plus Nick Drake was fairly well known as a user. Even warned by John Martyn (of all people) of living on "solid air". Nick Drake, John Martyn, Joe Boyd, Fairport Convention, etc were all part of the English folk thing that went on for awhile. I reckon Mr Viney could add loads to this discussion. The jazz singer Andy Bey does a nice cover of River Man on his record Shades of Bey from a few years ago.

Like The Weight, River Man is a song, after 30+ years, I've never tired of. That's my lot on aul Nick Drake, well worth a look, I think he's even gotten hip lately. Pink Moon, I think, is on a VW commercial out here.

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BWNWITennessee

So Kay, that's two different people you've called "anonymous weasels" for criticizing the B-Man. Something going on between you two? You didn't stand up for yourself when I called your bluff last time, but maybe you will for Distraught.

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Bayou Sam

There are two guys (who are both dearly departed) that I've always wanted to check out the music of. I actually have some of their stuff around somewhere. I'd love to hear some of you who know their music rant on a bit about it - Phil Ochs and Nick Drake.

Go.........

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Kay

Subject: Butch

It really is heartwarming how quickly some anonymous weasel will jump in looking for trouble. And very brave of him/her in Butch's absence. Your karma sucks, pal.

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Peter Viney

Of course the original version of 'The Weight' on the film of Easy Rider was playing everywhere to everybody at the time …

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Distraught

Oh no, we're reduced to "talking amongst ourselves" for a whole week. Butch is abandoning us for 7 days. What will we ever do ? Can we survive ?

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Peter Viney

Lost in the ether- I tried to post on Jan Haust’s fascinating tribute to Ware Glover yesterday. Good luck with your project, Jan – and more please on the tantalizing news of more early studio stuff.

I enjoyed hearing about Winterland – I think I posted recently on seeing a movie in San Francisco (well, I meant to post) and asking about the the theatre because it looked familiar from old photos- it was indeed the old Avalon, and 10 years ago the multiplex looked pretty run down. However, while it may have done better locally in California, the national chart placing of ‘The Weight’ wasn’t #1, it was #63 in the USA and #21 in the UK (a tribute to our taste). The highest placing was the cover by The Smith, via the Easy Rider soundtrack LP which got to #6. Jackie de Shannon was #55, Diana Ross with The Supremes & The Temptations were #46. Aretha’s #19 cover in 1969 was the highest US placing for a single version. It was also on the hit album ‘The Live Adventures of Mike Bloomfield & Al Kooper’ - I dredge this from the archives, because it never ceases to surprise me. It felt like #1 in my memory, but that was around the point where singles and album charts began diverging so sharply. And there were a lot of covers.

Do we have to do Neil Diamond again? I wish I’d stored my many defences of his appearance at TLW! Robbie has assiduously mentioned him in the recent TLW interviews, and was pleased to have him there.

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rosalind

Subject: Booking Neil

David__ Neil was there to represent the Tin Pan Alley days, at least that's the story Robbie always stood to. Robbie was producing one of Diamond's albums at the time "Beautiful Noise" and wanted to use a song that he and Neil Diamond had co-written "Dry Your Eyes". I have read that Robbie produced the album for completely mercenary reasons and was not satisfied with the end product. It has some lovely pieces on it it tho. "Signs" "Home Is a Broken Heart" "Dry Your Eyes" and the title cut are the best songs on the record. Every other piece is rather forgettable. Personally, I feel that it was the song, not necessarily the singer that Robertson wanted in the show.( Robbie took a lot of hell for insisting Neil be there) I happen to have loved the soaring quality of the song and the sacredness of the lyrics. I felt that it added something important to the show, altho you'll not find many that feel as I do. I guess ol' Neil wasn't ultra-hip enough for the Band crowd!

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David W

Subject: "The Last Waltz"

(Thanks to Rosalind and O'Toole for the kind words about my Winterland post). I'm sure you all saw "The Last Waltz", the film made of the break-up concert by The Band. Couple of things about that night. I never could figure out how Neil Diamond was able to get booked on that show. I mean....c'mon. Anyway....Bill Graham (bless his soul!) had gone over to the War Memorial Opera House in San Francisco and borrowed a set of crystal chandeliers to dress up Winterland...an old ice arena at the corner of Post & Steiner. Winterland was often used when the draw for that night's show at the Fillmore (two blocks away) was too big. The place was utilitarian, to put it kindly. Anyway....those chandeliers made all the difference in the concert (and the film). Mid to late 60s music in "The City" was like a rennaissance, what with the bands...the shows....the posters....the Haight.....etc. The night of "The Last Waltz" was truly magic. And here's the interesting thing. The opera house was not really anxious to get those lights back so they loaned them to Bill indefinitely. In 1979 Winterland hosted it's last concert on New years Eve 78-79. (The Grateful Dead). Winterland was vacant for ten years or so and then was demolished. But the chandeliers were stored. In 1989 we had a tremendous earthquake and The Fillmore was almost condemned. But cooler minds prevailed and it was restored and reopened with a show featuring the original Jefferson Airplane. And.....the chandeliers were resurrected and now hang gloriously in THE most famous of all rock halls. I was able to get in with my camera one night and got some nice shots of the Fillmore and the lights. Plus there are a few on the web. So anyone who cares to write me at MsterZebra@aol.com and ask I'll be happy to send you some pics of those wonderful crystal lights. Why do I have all this info? Well...I'm now a teacher but worked at another famous hall called "The Avalon Ballroom" which competed (in a sense) with The Fillmore. But, realistically....no one was able to compete with Bill Graham. The Avalon closed it's doors in 1969 and is now a multiplex theater. The Fillmore existed for awhile from 1968 to the early 70s as "Fillmore West" but closed it's doors with the last concert featuring "Spencer Davis Group" and "Moby Grape". The next ten days were a ten day wake for The Fillmore with every band in existance that was able to book passage to town. It's now an auto dealership at the corner of Market & Van Ness. It was great because it was sorta triangle shaped. You entered at the point of the triangle and the stage ran across the flat back end of the hall. I loved it! The Green Room backstage had these small private rooms with openings to the stage from behind. I saw Boz Scaggs with Dwayne Allman from back there one night. So....now you know where you can see the crystal lights from "The Last Waltz' and.... (Now that you are all totally ready to kill me from jealousy)....I'll say goodnight til another time.

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butch

Subject: road trip

well, Levon Helm & The Barn Burners are on "our" way to little rock for a private party/gig & then to MEMPHIS,, for a regular gig,, @ the old Gibson Guitar Factory,,,

anyone around Memphis,,, ??? see ya there,,,,,

otherwise,, be back inna week,,, talk amongst yourselves,,,,,,

butch

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rosalind

Subject: "A Big Fat Pillow For My Big Fat Head"

David's post reminded me of the year Prince drove up to the Academy Award ceremony with that great big bunch of purple toadies! Purple cops on purple motorcycles, purple limo's, purple bodyguards and then purple Prince made his big purple way thru the crowd to a custom-made purple seat created exclusively for his boney purple ass!

James Stewart received his Lifetime Achievement Award that very same night. He and his wife drove there in his yellow Toyota and parked in the back so's not to attract any attention. I always adored James Stewart!

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O'Toole

Kramer - I typed in a similar post about existing footage of the Band from their early incarnation- but got no reply. Ever since I saw that bit of them playing King Harvest on the Classic albums video I've been wishing there was more. Did no one tape their first WinterLand shows? Or the Woody Guthrie Tribute? Hell, there must at least be an audio recording of the Winterland shows. If there is maybe we could finally hear the often talked about rarely heard "Little Birds" song they talked about.

To the person who recently recalled being at those Winterland shows (thanks for posting I really enjoyed your stories about that night) do you remember hearing Little Birds?

To me- the Basement Tapes and the 'brown' album have always had tremendous cinematic quality to them. Don't you wish someone had turned on a camera...oh wait they did!!! What happened to it!

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David W

Subject: The Three "B"s...(Beatles, Beach Boys, and The Band....plus The Blues)

I was at the first Winterland appearance of The Band. Robbie Robertson was very ill that night and everyone (including me) was very upset. I was also very immature. Bill Graham kept trying to explain to the crowd that Robbie had a terrible abdominal infection and I learned later that he tried everything to prop Robbie up including a hypnotist. The second act was "Sons Of Champlin" who bravely played on and on as the crowd kept getting more and more unruly. Finally....Robbie got the energy from some deep reserve to hit the stage and I recall him coming out in this totally cool three piece maroon corduroy suit with a 12 string (Guild, I think it was) and he opened their set with those great chords leading into "Dixie". This was 1968....I had been comped to the show by the guys in the light show (Little Princess 109) and "The Weight" was #1 on the charts that week. When they sang that now (and then) famous line...."ya put the load right on me!", the crowd roared. They say the next night was a legendary show. It may have been. I wasn't there. But....to me....remembering how The Band waited and waited til Robbie Robertson was able to play defines the difference between those days when bands were truly serious about their craft and loyal to the audience who was there on any night they played....and these self absorbed, money driven, untalented, performers today. Best example are the huge stable of so-called "rap artists" who feel they need an entourage and bodyguards. Not one of these performers today would have performed that night. Chapped lips....and they are back in the hotel room. (I will not refer to them as singers nor will I defile the term R&B by applying it to them) Robbie Robertson and company....and Bob Dylan as well....I tip my hat to you 34 years later. You were better by light years back then than any of these cretins people are paying a fortune to see today. To me....The "Three Bs" will stand forever. Thanks to you.

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biffalo bull

August 10, 2002 (saturday) Colin Linden with Richard Bell, will be at the Festival of Friends, Gage Park Hamilton, Ont., Canada. they will be starting up around 8pm. admission free, good music guaranteed. maybe see you there

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BWNWITennessee

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Nick

Subject: Ware Glover

Thanks for the fantastic write up on Ware Glover and his father Henry. The Band recorded Henry's song "Blues Stay Away From Me" on the great "Jericho" cd.

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kramer

Subject: THE BANDS / FILM FOOTAGE / rock of ages on film ?

Having recently read the fascinating article on the Band web site by Jonathen Singer which was taken from a copy of Hit Prade Dec 1972. The article caught my attention on the subject matter of THE BAND on celluloid and in particular the section of the article which touched on a proposed t.v special on the group. In the article the then Band road manager and confidant Jon Taplin discussed briefly how film footage had been shot for a then planned Band T.V special. Taplin hinted at the movie footage ( which he was himself edited ) looking fantastic and how " the movie really captures the event ( New Years eve ) really well". IS this then the case that Rock of Ages was indeed filmed as a movie , and therby a pre -curser to T.L.W. Secondly how much film footage is there of The BAND in existence which we the public are unaware of ? Film footage that we are aware of such as the 1970 Canadian train festival or the 1971 Dutch T.V Film footage. Is the case that there is an extensive amount of Band film footage from all periods, whether in private or public hands, both widely known and unknown ?

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J.Haust

Subject: Ware Glover/Henry Glover/The Hawks

Ware Glover passed away yesterday in NYC, aged 44. Ware was the son of pioneer r'n b producer Henry Glover & is survived by his sister Leslie. Henry named his private stock label ' WARE RECORDS 'and it was on this label that Henry Glover gave LEVON & THE HAWKS their first opportunity to record under their own name after leaving Ronnie Hawkins. Although the tape boxes from Bell Sound list the recordings as ' The Hawks ', the release in early '65 ( not '64 as previously thought )of ' LEAVE ME ALONE ' & 'UH, UH, UH ' was under the name The CANADIAN SQUIRES.

Ware was extremely proud of his father's pioneering achievements as one of the first black a&r producers of R'nB & first black executives in the music industry. He was v.p. of KING RECORDS from the earliest days in the late 40's helping build not only the studio & compnay with owner Sydney Nathan, but the artist roster as well.His employment contracts with King Records indicate that he was required to produce 'race recordings ' as well as 'hillbilly & novelty records '( Later in the '50's he would perform much the same function at Roulette Records.) He produced such million selling ' race recordings ' as Little Willie John's ' FEVER ', co-wrote & produced ' HONKY TONK ' with Bill Dogget, the original version of ' The TWIST ' with Hank Ballard & the Midniters etc. There were countless others with Etta James, Lucky Millender, Bullmoose Jackson, Ivory Joe Hunter, Wynonie Ryder, Lonnie Johnston, John Lee Hooker, Freddy King, Albert King etc. The hillbillies he recorded included Grandpa Jones, Cowboy Copas & the Delmore Bros. In the mid-40's Henry had been the arranger & lead trumpet for several well known ' territorial bands ': Buddy Johnston, Tiny Bradshaw, Lucky Millender & Willie Bryant. Henry also managed to write many # 1 hit singles including ' CALIFORNIA SUN ' performed by the Rivieras & ' I'LL DROWN IN MY OWN TEARS ', a # 1 hit single for Ray Charles in '56 & also recorded by artists such as Little Stevie Wonder, Joe Cocker, Janis Joplin, & Johnny Winter.

It was Ware that first spent endless hours acquainting me with the details of his father's work as one of the founding cornerstones of modern American culture during the second half of the twentieth century & also one of the unsung roots of rock'n roll music. Ware could remember The Cleftones rehearsing in the living room of the Glover family home in Queens, among others. With his guidance & direction over a long period of time, we were able to convince his sister to entrust the entire archive of this creative American giant to my care. His encouragement and his sister's trust paved the way for us to be able to preserve not only the tape archive, but countless artifacts and boxes of original documents,pictures & film from the 1940's to the 1980's. In his capacity as consultant he continuously pointed me in the right direction. It was Ware's goal to see his father's story properly told.

When Henry left King Records for Roulette, one of his first projects was co-writing & producing 'THE PEPPERMINT TWIST' with Joey Dee & The Starlighters. At the same time, Ronnie Hawkins was also recording for Roulette and its famed boss Morris Levy. Henry would eventually record Ronnie and the Hawks and was the first to encourage them to record without Ronnie...as eary as 1962. The Hawks' interest in R'nB as well as jazz, at that time, can only have been enhanced by Henry as he was producing l.p.'s with Sonny Stitt, Roland Kirk, Count Basie, Sarah Vaughn, Dinah Washington etc. It was Henry who kept the tape machines running after Ronnie left the studio and recorded Levon singing ' FURTHER ON UP THE ROAD ' & ' NINETEEN YEARS OLD ', truly the first recorded efforts of the legendary Hawks. No wonder that many years later Henry was invited to arrange the horns on a couple of songs they recorded at a concert in San Francisco in '76. They'd gone through another name change... and invited a few other pals to participate in what was supposed to be their last concert.

One of those friends was Muddy Waters. Henry Glover & Levon Helm were partners in a Woodstock studio and production company and their production of Muddy's Woodstock record from 1975 released on Chess Records won a Grammy as best record in the "ethnic" category that year. Ware spent much of this time in Woodstock with his father and hanging out with Levon. His stories were quite revealing and many hours were spent documenting them.

Henry Glover's favourite musician ever was Garth Hudson. The day he died, Levon's studio burned to the ground. Garth performed at his funeral at the Glover's request.

Eventually, when we've completed our study of the Henry Glover Archive and made the Canadian Squires' single officially available again along with the unreleased tracks from those sessions ( and all the other unreleased Hawks studio material we've assembled up to '65 )it may become more clear to students of this era what a great debt to Henry Glover the Hawks had in the developement of their musical career.

I too have a similar debt to his son Ware for opening the doors of the past so that history might accurately be revealed. I am saddened at the loss of a friend.

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Jerome

Hi, Nice wepage keep up the fine work. God Bless America, Cheers.

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jeffrey

Subject: Lomax

Here's a link to the Alan Lomax page.

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jeffrey

"....The Paul Butterfield Blues Band (with Michael Bloomfield), also managed by Dylan's manager Albert Grossman, were playing one of the workshop stages, and Dylan and members of this band (along with Al Kooper) had rehearsed just a few numbers the night before. During the Butterfield set, Grossman got into a fistfight with famed folk archivist and writer Alan Lomax because Lomax had introduced the group with the comment, "You've heard some of the greatest blues musicians in America playing for you, and all they had to do was come out and play. Now we've got some people who've spent fifteen minutes setting up, and now we'll see if they can play the blues at all."....."

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jeffrey

Truly, the loss of a legend.... Can't help but think of his encounter with Albert Grossman , after introducing Butterfields Band as a bunch of posers.Regardless, I've read and enjoyed much of his material

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rosalind

Subject: Lomax

That was sad sad news indeed. No words could express what the name of Lomax means to music lovers across the world. I wonder if either one of them could even begin to fathom what they actually meant to us. I hope so. I never fail to thank them every single time I play one of those old recordings. The future looks bad and the present looks the same...thank God and the name of Lomax for the past.

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butch

Subject: too soon gone

one man's life can make a difference,,,,

Musicologist Alan Lomax Dies By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 8:38 p.m. ET NEW YORK (AP) -- Alan Lomax, the celebrated musicologist who helped = preserve America's and the world's heritage by making thousands of = recordings of folk, blues and jazz musicians from the 1930s onward, died = Friday. He was 87. Lomax died at Mease Countryside Hospital in Safety Harbor, Fla., = according to Lisa Kissinger of Vinson Funeral Home. He had moved from = New York in 1996 to the Tampa area. He was the son of folklorist John A. Lomax, whose 1910 book ``Cowboy = Songs and Other Frontier Ballads'' was a pioneering work in the field of = music preservation. Among the famous songs it saved for posterity was = ``Home on the Range.'' Two songs from the younger Lomax's collection were featured on the 2000 = Grammy-winning soundtrack of ``O Brother, Where Art Thou?'' Alan Lomax was still in his teens when he began assisting his father's = efforts to interview and record musicians of almost every stripe. Long before tape recording became feasible, the work entailed lugging = around recording equipment that weighed hundreds of pounds. Lomax said making it possible to record and play back music in remote = areas ``gave a voice to the voiceless'' and ``put neglected cultures and = silenced people into the communications chain.'' Among the famous musicians recorded by the Lomaxes were Woodie Guthrie; = Huddie Ledbetter, known as Leadbelly; ``Jelly Roll'' Morton; Muddy = Waters; and Son House. Much of their work was done for the Library of Congress, where the = Archive of American Folk Song had been established in 1928. Some of the music that seemed exotic in the '30s had a profound = influence on the development of rock 'n' roll. In ``The Rolling Stone = Illustrated History of Rock & Roll,'' critic Robert Palmer wrote about a = black religious ``ring shout'' song, ``Run Old Jeremiah,'' recorded by = the Lomaxes in a tiny rural church in 1934. ``The rhythmic singing, the hard-driving beat, the bluesy melody and the = improvised, stream-of-consciousness words of this particular shout ... = all anticipate key aspects of rock & roll as it would emerge some 20 = years later,'' Palmer wrote. As interest in folklore and minority groups' culture has grown in recent = decades, experts and fans alike have been able to draw upon the = recordings made so long ago. When interest in Cajun music and its cousin, zydeco, exploded in the = 1980s, for example, a two-album set of the Lomaxes' recordings from the = 1930s was issued. The Lomaxes ``were recording people who were old then, and taking = machines to houses and recording home music,'' Louisiana folklore expert = Barry Ancelet, who edited the album, said in 1988. Lomax recalled the Louisiana recording sessions vividly. ``At the time, it was wonderful, but simply bewildering. All these new = kinds of songs were simply mysteries,'' Lomax said. Citing one song with = a particularly complex rhythm, he said, ``When I recorded it, there had = been nothing like it in America before.'' In 1994, his book ``The Land Where the Blues Began'' won the National = Book Critics Circle award for most distinguished nonfiction of 1993. It = documented the stories, musicians and listeners behind blues music. In 1990, Lomax's five-part documentary series ``American Patchwork'' was = shown on PBS, exploring such topics as the blues, Cajun culture and the = British roots of Appalachian music. The final episode, ``Dreams and Songs of the Noble Old,'' featured = elderly balladeers and musicians who pass their music to the young. ``It's not preservation, it's process,'' Lomax said. ``It's keeping = things going.'' In his research, Lomax would photograph the musicians and record their = thoughts as well as their tunes, asking them where they learned the = songs and what the songs meant to them. The 1994 off-Broadway show ``Jelly Roll!'' as well as the book ``Mister = Jelly Roll'' were based in part on Lomax's 1938 interviews with Morton. Lomax didn't limit his efforts to the United States, doing extensive = work in Spain, Italy, Britain and the Caribbean. He worked to compile a = world survey of folk songs, which deepened the understanding of the = links between peoples. Lomax believed our centralized electronic communications system is = imposing ``standardized, mass-produced and cheapened cultures = everywhere.'' ``If those absolutely important things are ignored, of how we speciated, = how we adapted to the planet, then we're going to lose something = precious,'' he told The Associated Press in 1990. ``There won't be = anywhere to go and no place to come home to.

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carmen

Subject: Dylan & The BAND

Along the lines of D Powell's last post, I always wondered what Blood on the Tracks would have sounded like with THE BAND! Any thoughts!

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David Powell

Subject: Dylan, the Hawks & Blonde On Blonde

I think it was Dylan's producer, Bob Johnston, who had a major influence on what musicians were used for "Blonde On Blonde". Johnston had a reputation of being a producer who sat back, rolled the tape & let the artist do his thing in the studio. This evidently fit the way Dylan wanted to record -- which was to record each song spontaneously on the fly then move on to the next. It was Johnston who suggested that Dylan record in Nashville because the musicians were more laid back and not prone to watch the clock when recording. Albert Grossman and certain Columbia executives were reportedly against the idea, at least initially, but Dylan decided to give it a try.

After recording some songs with the Hawks, Dylan recorded several sessions at Columbia's studio in Nashville with Johnston. Although the Nashville cats were somewhat perplexed by Dylan's recording techniques at first, they were seasoned professionals who could hold their own with anybody, having recorded with all types of country, soul & rock artists. No doubt, having Robertson & Kooper on board helped translate some of what Dylan was looking for soundwise.

In the end, Dylan evidently liked what he got on tape in Nashville. Still, there's a great many of us who wonder, to this day, what the album would have sounded like with all the Hawks on board. Maybe Dylan felt that the sound he was getting at the time with his "road band" hadn't quite jelled with what he was looking for with his new material. Surely, by the end of their world tour together with Dylan, the was nobody better than the Hawks to follow Dylan down his musical paths.

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John D

Subject: Sad News for Rolling Stones

The Stones are here in Toronto preparing for their new tour. Last night they had a tragedy happen at rehearsal.

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John Cass

Subject: Great Band

This Jim Keltner talk has got me thinking of what a great Band Mad Dogs and Englishmen had

Cocker on vocals, Chuck Blackwell, Jim Keltner, Jim Gordon, and Sanford Konikoff on drums/percussion, Rita Coolidge and Cladia Lennear apart of the space chior, Leon Russell on guitar, keys, piano, Chris Stainton on keys, organ, Carl Radle on Bass, Don Preston on guitar, and Bobby Keys on sax..... thats not even all of them!!!

any GBer ever see that tour and if so how was it???

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Kay

Subject: Keltner/Tillison

As the author of Roger Tillison's website bio, I hope I didn't write that dangling participle about Watts after the riots... will check up on that.

I expect to see Roger and some of the other OK boys when J.J. Cale plays in Santa Fe later this summer. Roger has a new record sitting on somebody's desk in LA and he always gets a kick out of hearing that his name is mentioned on The Band GB. K

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Dave

Subject: Graham Parker

Graham Parker has an outstanding diatribe on the state of music and radio airplay these days, and I highly recommend it. Find it at www.Grahamparker.net, then go to "Graham Speaks Out", then "The Thoughts of Chairman Parker".

Graham has connections to the Band and his insight into how the music biz really works is enlightening.

For anyone in Minneapolis, The Last Waltz will be on the big screen at the U of M Oak Street Cinema for the next 2 weeks. See you there.

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Bill

"Back in LA, Markham introduced him to Leon Russell, then a session producer and the nucleus of a group of Oklahoma musicians including drummers Jimmy Karstein and Chuck Blackwell as well as other musicians Jim Keltner and J.J. Cale. Roger also wrote for Russell and his partner, Snuff Garrett. Roger and his then-girlfriend Terrye Newkirk started cutting records with Snuff Garrett Productions as The Gypsy Trips - eventually signed to Liberty Records. Around this time, Roger wrote a song for Herman's Hermits that became a hit for Gary Lewis. “You Don’t' Have to Paint Me a Picture” reached #10 on the charts.

"Roger eventually moved to the Villa Carlotta in LA where he participated in bathroom jam sessions with his friends and neighbors - including Rolling Stones tenor saxman Bobby Keys and Levon Helm (drummer for the Hawks-soon to become The Band). Those three, along with Davis and bassist Gordon Shryock nearly didn't return from their one and only formal gig. In a rough neighborhood in Watts only one year after the riots. Roger and Jesse Ed soon returned to Lawton, where they had a standing gig as a folk rock duo at the Gallerie for eight months or so.

"Through his association with Levon Helm, Roger moved to Woodstock, NY, for a time, playing at the Sled Hill CafÈ and hanging out with the other members of The Band – Rick Danko, Richard Manuel and Garth Hudson. During this period, Roger also played with other various musicians, including Paul Butterfield and Rod Hicks, and at benefits for the Hudson River Cleanup Project with Odetta and Pete Seeger."

Speaking of Karstein, the July edition of "discoveries" magazine has a really good article on the making of Buffalo Springfield's "Last Time Around". Karstein plays on some, as does bassist Gary Marker (from the Rising Sons with Taj and Ry).

Of more direct interest to Band fans, the same magazine has the following note:

"Tomato Records just released Living On The Trail", a long, lost album by folk blues vocalist and guitarist Eric von Schmidt. Originally recrded for Poppy Records in 1971. Features guest appearances by Paul Butterfield, Garth Hudson, Rick Danko, Amos Garrett, Geoff Muldaur, Maria Muldaur and Bobby Charles."

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Charlie Young

Subject: Jim Keltner, Leon Russell & the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame

John Cass: Jim Keltner is not yet a Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame inductee, but the "sidemen" category only started a couple of years ago (when drum legend Hal Blaine was one of the honored musicians). It would be nice for Keltner and Leon Russell to both be among the "class of 2003" at the next Rock Hall Ceremony.

There is also a "non-performer" category that includes people such as George Martin. I wonder if Albert Grossman could be considered for that some day. He may not be in a league with Martin or even Bill Graham, but he was certainly an infuential figure on the careers of Dylan, The Band, Janis Joplin and many others.

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Peter Viney

Dylan’s bands: Young is a relative term, and I actually said ‘younger’ (comparative to Dylan), not ‘young’. Just as my grandfather was younger (at 91) than his brother at 93. Dylan’s band are not young in the sense that they’re beardless youths and they are highly experienced musicians. The impression I got recently was that I’d love to have seen them do a couple of Bob-less numbers – in the way Van’s bands do a couple of songs before he joins them. But they’re all ‘young’ relative to Bob Dylan or Levon Helm, or indeed me (unless they’re spectacularly better preserved than I am, which isn’t that unusual in my peer group). Charlie Sexton was said to have jammed with Dylan 20 years ago, which indicates he’s no spring chicken, but I’d guess there’s still a 20 year gap between the musicians and Bob. Keltner (who first played with him in 1971) is older than the others, and was temporary. It’s true that Dylan’s had his own band for many years now. My point was that I don’t think he wants to have a band of his own age group with their own ‘star’ credentials (and Keltner’s never been a front man), and I still think that’s valid. It goes back to discussions of why the December 65 / January 66 Hawks sessions were abortive and why Dylan went off to Nashville with just Robbie and Al Kooper. One of the many biographers (can’t be bothered to look up which one) said that he wasn’t comfortable playing sessions with people he’d got too close to and wanted a distance between him and studio musicians.

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John Cass

Subject: Keltner

Jim Keltner also did some great work with Joe Cocker (which I am sure everyone knows).. in Joe Cocker's biography A Little Help From my Freinds written by JP Bean, Jim Keltner was intererviewed quite a bit about those days playin with Cocker and all the great times and music they played.. Durring the Mad Dog and Englishman tour, Jim said Leon Russell played a big part of giving him the confidence in playing rock n roll because Jim said he was a pretty much a Jazz guy at that time...

Is Keltner in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame???

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Dave Z

Nice picture Serge... Nice teeth Garth and Maud... Hey Ilkka, you'd appreciate this... after 2 plane rides with 3 kids... what's the first thing I do to unwind... hookup the laptop in my hotel room... and checkout the Band website... I'm on vacation... gotta go... gonna pop in my TLW DVD quick before the wife returns from Target... with my tooth paste and floss...

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Bayou Sam

I was thinkin' - Levon and Garth are very accessable and this site seems to have a pipeline to them. What about Robbie? He obviously has pride and affection for the Band part of his life. I wonder if Jan, or anyone else that hangs around this site has ever tried to directly contact RR. I'm sure he knows about this site. We could resolve all these earth shattering issues like mud/blood, and the Buddy Holly guitar fiasco. I was just curious. Then again, if RR does visit here, he probably knows that some people love him and some want his head on a stick - whoops, sorry about going THERE.

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jeffrey

Great photos of Levon and the gang ! Thanks!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Keltner

Let's not forget Jim Keltner was on the 1989 Ringo Starr's All-Starrs Tour, so you had Keltner, Ringo, AND Levon Helm on the drums, plus Danko on Bass for the Kick-assest (dest?) rythm section this side of anywhere. I saw it and it was one of the best shows I was priviledged to have seen.

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Bayou Sam

Peter - I think that that guy who sold us those guitars might not be on the level.

Being a fan of solo Beatle music - and a drummer too - I am a big Jim Keltner fan. I wish I had his job. What a resume he has. Two of my favorite Keltner recordings are on "What You Got" from Lennon's "Walls and Bridges" album - and "Sue Me Sue You Blues" from Harrison's "Living in the Material World" album. BTW, Jessie Ed Davis is playing guitar on both tunes, and our friend Dr. John is on the George song. There is also a Ringo song - not a great song, but a cute song, called "Drumming is My Madness" (written by Harry Nilsson). It features one of the many recordings with Ringo and Jim double drumming, and Ringo sings, "you can call me thunder - my friends name is ligtning too" - referring to him and Keltner.

I picked up a used copy of the Gram Parsons Anthology (2-CD's) yesterday for $17.00 with the booklet and packaging in great condition. I thought it was a good score. Great collection.

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Mike Lewis

Subject: Garth Hudson review (Toronto - July 15/02)

I just thought I'd post a little Garth Hudson review that I prepared for The Globe and Mail, a Toronto daily, to which I (very) occasionally contribute.

Unfortunately, real life - i.e. my "real job" - didn't leave me enough time to get this together for deadline. So here's what I had - hopefully it will be a semi-interesting read. (I didn't really complete it, so there are a few points missing that I would have like to have made, including more words re the Crowmatix. Also, it tails off at the end.)

Fortunately, it seems Garth did incredibly well with the press in these parts. Hopefully we've made the regular itinerary!!!!

__________

It all started with a seated Maud Hudson, all billowing scarf and panama hat and sunglasses, belting out the blues a capella, asking the age-old question,“Will a matchbox hold my clothes?”

For more than two and a half hours last night, Maud’s husband Garth, best known for his keyboard wizardry with The Band, showed that nothing can contain his musically adventurous spirit. From the earliest days of Anglican hymns on the organ and country accordian to later encounters with rock and roll, jazz and the various musics of the world, the souvenirs of all of Hudson’s musical travels were on display.

Last night was an obvious homecoming for the London, Ontario native, with the Hard Rock Café occupying the space of the former Friar’s Tavern, where The Hawks made their first inroads apart from Ronnie Hawkins; it’s also where they first rehearsed with Bob Dylan in September 1965.

Hudson, two weeks shy of 65, stayed true to these roots. Backed by Aaron “Professor Louie” Hurwitz and the Crowmatix, Hudson offered up several selections from the Band repertoire. Hurwitz, the other part of the two-keyboard attack, had just the right touch vocally for such Band-fare as Twilight and a particularly energetic Opehelia. The Weight remained faithful to the original version, with rotating vocals by rhythm guitarist Michael Falzarano, Marie Spinosa, bassist Mike Dunne and Maud Hudson. This Wheel’s on Fire was radically rearranged to become a low-key accordian shuffle, ending with references to As Time Goes By. Up on Cripple Creek made for a rousing finish.

Although in the rare position of being the main attraction, Hudson can’t help but turn the spotlight over to others. The Crowmatix offered up several numbers, including Falzarano’s lovely Last Train Out. Falzarano, best known for his association with Jorma Kaukonen and Hot Tuna, wrote the song in memory of Allen Woody, the late bass player of Gov’t Mule and Allman Brothers Band fame. Spinosa gave a raunchy reading of Dylan’s Serve Somebody that was effective, if not the stern warning its author intended.

Considering the location, one could have been forgiven for hoping for a guest spot by Rompin’ Ronnie himself, but The Hawk was content to enjoy the show from the sidelines. However, Paul London – with whom Hudson played 40 years ago, even before his association with Hawkins – was brought out for three lively blues rockers, including Long Tall Sally and an audience stroll on Leave My Girl Alone .

Despite the disparate elements, Hudson’s imaginative work at the keys held it all together. When he launched into a solo, you never knew what it was going to sound like. Church organ, snippets of Bach, barrelhouse piano, calliopes and space-age synthesizer – it’s all part of the Hudson mix. Often in the same solo, as was the case in the lengthy intro to Chest Fever. And if he has a tendency to ramble, it’s all part of the charm. In fact, there were times between songs when he’d begin a musical phrase while holding a conversation with his wife, the musicians would join in and it would take a few minutes – while Hudson finished his chat or (musical thought, whichever came first) – for the audience to realize it wasn’t the next number.

At one time, it seemed that Garth Hudson could have gotten together with musicians of similar stature to invent a musical genre all his own. While that may be unlikely at this stage in his career, Hudson is proving once again that his is a singular talent that can shine under any circumstance.

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David Powell

Subject: Dylan

P.S.B.: Considering the amount of time Dylan has spent touring in the last decade or so, maybe he's taken the title of "the hardest working man in show business" away from James Brown.

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Peter Stone Brown

Subject: Re: Stools

Peter Viney, you make it sound like Dylan's band is a bunch of kids. They're not! Guitarist Charlie Sexton is probably the youngest. They are long-term musicians who have been playing in various bands and backing up other musicians for years!

I did not think the drummer who was replaced by Keltner due to an injury, George Recelli (I may have spelling of last name wrong) and who is supposed to be rejoining the band was particularly impressive, mainly because from what I've heard, he played the drums and not the songs. At the same time the list of people and bands he's played with which includes James Brown is somewhat impressive. But he is not a kid.

It's not that Dylan necessarily wants younger musicians, he just wants his own band which he's had for years.

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Richard J. Behnen

Subject: The Band and there music

The Band was one of the greatest group of musicians ever assembled. I had the pleasure of meeting Rick Danko in 1990 at the Towne Crier Cafe in Pawling, NY. I have my own rock band and we cover quite a bit of Band songs. In there time they were much more original than the generic sounding bands of the late sixties and early seventies. I will mis them very much.

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Daivd Powell

Subject: Jim Keltner

Jim Keltner has long been Ry Cooder's drummer of choice and Mr. Cooder has impeccable taste when it comes to choosing musicians. Don't forget that Mr. Keltner was also part of the Traveling Wilburys.

One of my favorite all-time albums is John Hiatt's "Bring The Family" which features Ry Cooder, Jim Keltner and Nick Lowe. Cooder's guitar and Keltner's drums really propel Hiatt's singing to new heights, especially on "Memphis In The Meantime" and "Thing Called Love".

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JQ

Subject: Jim Keltner

I agree with Mr Viney about J Keltner's special talent. I only saw him once, with Little Village, but that band's show was so intense that he did not particularly stand out. Notice his light touch on Nick Lowe's Party of One record, the What's Shaking track and his dog-like-groove on Shting Shtang.

R Thompson says he is the session guy of choice for him.

And I beleive Levon Helm has indicated an appreciation for Jim Keltner... but JK doesn't sing and certainly does not play & sing at the same time, by his own admission and amazment of Levon's overall ability. It would be a tough choice.

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Peter Viney

Bayou Sam- so you've got one too. The guy who sold me one said it was the only one in the world. I now doubt its authenticity somewhat, especially as I bought it in a street market. He explained that Buddy had filed off the Fender name himself and replaced it with the fake logo of a Korean manufacturer so as to guard it from theft. I had wondered why the pick-ups had gone rusty, green mould had appeared on the fretboard and it was impossible to tune. Still, I'm sure the Elvis toothpick and John Lennon toenail clippings I bought at the same time are authentic.

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Peter Viney

Dylan’s drum stool – Levon would have been cool, but highly unlikely. A replacement happened fast, and Jim Keltner has worked with Dylan in the studio both in the past and recently, and as a session guy was available. I’d bet he was (a) first choice (b) paid a great deal more than the young guy he replaced for finishing off the tour. There were various rumours about the young guy (brilliant too, on the tape evidence)– one was that he’d been taking considerable piss out of Dylan’s lengthy guitar solos and was overheard …

Over the last couple of years, having seen both, my opinion is confirmed that Jim Keltner and Steve Gadd are the ultimate session drummers. I prefer Levon myself, but Levon isn’t a supporting-role artist, and I doubt that he’d like to be in the position of being told what to do and how to do it. Also, according to ‘Isis’ the musicians’ contract with Dylan has more non-disclosure clauses than you’d get in a job providing intimate services to the British Royal Family, so discretion is a major factor. You notice that Dylan in the 90s is happier using younger musicians. He did the peer bit with The Band and the Dead and the Heartbreakers and I suspect he’d rather have the heirarchy firmly in place.

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Rich Forbes

Subject: Band Tidbit...

On Good Morning America today,Diane Sawyers' guest was David Arquette the actor. David mentioned that for fun, he and his wife Courtney Cox have a Karaoke Club at their house called the Diamond Club. When asked what his favorite song to sing was, David said "`the Weight', because it gets everybody going!" Whereupon, he and Diane both sang `take a load off Fannie'...

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Long Distance Operator

When Dylan's drummer left the tour a couple of months ago, did Levon's name get floated as a replacement? How cool would THAT be??

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Brent

Subject: Tears of Rage

Check out this article in infoworld: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/07/15/020715opcurve.xml.

Basically the writer uses the creation of "Tears of Rage" as a metaphor for peer-to-peer technology while discussing the recent death of digital pioneer Gene Kan. Interesting stuff.

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Serge

Subject: More on Garth in London Ontario

More on Garth and Maud in today's London Free Press. Use the link. Scroll to : TODAY - Rocker reconnecting....

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Peter Viney

Compilations – in the UK there are fewer in-store compilation CDs – the Starbucks’ Beach Boys one is poor value with too few tracks (which US compilations often suffer from) – I looked at it while waiting for my espresso the other day. There is an art to compiling a good compilation. But we begin to wilt under the weight of free cover discs. Uncut have great ones – selections of the month’s best tracks from new releases, and I also got “20 Reggae Classics” from Mojo this month (also good). I have mountains of the things from Mojo, Uncut, Q and Empire. A few weeks ago the “Mail on Sunday” tabloid gave away a 21 track cover disc including the original versions of God Only Knows, Tell It Like It Is, Let’s Stay Together, Don’t Worry Be Happy, Baker St, Easy, Spanish Harlem, Mellow Yellow etc. It makes you wonder what the value of ‘God Only Knows’ is in such a compilation to the writer and performer. But it’s a good one to sling in the car, and my daughter went out and got her own copy for the price of the newspaper (cheaper than copying it onto CDR!). For New Release cover discs, the artist actually pays to have a track on there. Recently I saw the 10 CD Disky Millenium Box set – with 230 plus tracks – for £13. Less than 6p a track. Among the 230 is the original ‘The Weight.’ I think that The Beatles, Elvis and The Stones were wise never to allow compilation rights.

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BWNWITennessee

Has anyone ever bought an in-store compilation CD, like a Pottery Barn or Starbucks CD? What do you think about them, are they cool, or just cheesy? Or an evil marketing scheme?

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Robert M MacKinnon

Subject: WOODSTOCK & The Band, Dylan, and Malcolm Cecil.

The Band & Solo Members Continue to Sooth & Rock my Soul. Always Refreshing, full of Spirit. I & My Guitarist friend Dino Pelletier, Drummer BJ ZAMPA, & Eric Klaastad all three of "EAST COAST BLUES" a Connecticut supergroup. will be Headed up to Woodstock To Perform at Malcolm Cecil's Private Party. i'm sure members of THE BAND & SOLO MUSICIANS may have accesses to this party on July 27th 2002. So Woodstock here we come. Woodstock N.Y. Rules. Bahama Kin Films Dino Pelletier BJ Zampa Eric Klaastad Bahama Kin (Robert M MacKinnon)

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Bayou Sam

Alright! The truth is that I've got Buddy Holly's Strat up in the attic. I painted it pink - don't tell a soul.

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butch

FYI ---------------------

Levon & The Barn Burners show this weekend ,,,,@ the ramapo brewery,,,,is NOT gonna take place,,,,

THAT show is cancelled !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for any inconvenience,,,,,,,

bd

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Peter Viney

Great to see so many articles and so much well-deserved interest in Garth at last - I hope it prompts him to do more albums. I'd be happy if he'd just sit and improvise at will for 45 minutes every 6 months!

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yazooman

Van the man live concert streamcast going on at the website given in the link above.

Goto the website and click on the fm link :

http://www.eitb.com/radiojazzgasteiz/

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David Powell

Subject: Elvis sighting

Declan McManus appropriated one legend's name and adopted another legend's look by wearing the same style of glasses. In many ways, the American rockabillies of the '50s were perhaps the original "punk" rockers in both music & fashion styles.

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Dan

Subject: Big Pink

My wife and I visited Big Pink last October. There was a nice American flag in one of the windows (1 month after Sept. 11). It seemed well kept. Many more trees than on the album cover. Solitude big time. Remember it's not on Stoll but Parnassas.

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bassmanlee

Subject: Buddy's glasses

While the crack about Buddy's glasses was likely made in jest, the question prompted a brain cell in the back of my mind to recall that in reality, his glasses were put in an evidence envelope after the plane crash and remained filed away in an Iowa sherrif's office, only to be rediscovered a few years ago. Sure enough, see link. The answer: no one is wearing them - Maria Elena Holly sold them to the city of Lubbock, TX, where they are on exhibit.

And sad to say, our Elvis sighting is a cut and paste job of an excerpt from his excellent road diary (check the link on the original post), so don't expect any replies, kids...but thanks to whoever posted it.

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John Cass

Subject: Garth

What a great article on Garth in the whats new section.. That man is the real deal...man has no ego.. I often wonder how a guy like Garth Hudson with his talent can be so modest.. to read a interview he acts like he was just a average guy in a rock band... I think we all would agree that people with Garth's talents don't come around everyday.. I can't wait for the day when Garth will sit in with Levon's band like in Trebeca Blues club in NYC back in December... I miss nights like that

Big Pink from what I remember back months ago seems like it is still a nice place, the ride up was a little rocky.. but if you like being away from everything and having some peace and quiet then Big Pink would be a great place to live..

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Jamie G

Subject: Big Pink

Does anyone know about the current status of Big Pink?

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David Powell

Subject: Has Elvis entered the building?

There was more than one Sonny Boy and there's more than one Elvis. I seem to recall that, in his former life, Mr. McManus was a computer programer. Maybe the question is not who has Buddy Holly's guitar, but who's wearin' Buddy Holly's glasses?

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rosalind

Subject: Buddy Holly's Guitars

Gary Busey bought one of Holly's guitars at auction. That might have been what happened to one of the two mentioned. Maybe?

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Stone

Subject: BWNWITennessee

I looked up on the Inet on info pertaining to Buddy Holly's Strats, Ironically you posted what I found on the two guitars. The one I found of the two guitars, show how the one belonging to his parents (I believe, it is after 3 a.m. here so I am groggy) was restored after everyone who was a fan came to the home, they let the fans play it. They found a Gibson pick under the pick guard/scratch plate that Buddy used. Only 2 guitars from Fender were sent to Buddy by Fender. The film TLW is what brought the Bronze Guitar subject up, on the DVD someone states in the interview that Robbie gave this guitar to Scorsese, they called it a Buddy Holly guitar which I took to mean a Strat and not a Buddy Holly owned Strat. But still it is confusing to some. Robbie said the thing was heavy. During the Clapton number he switched to a an unbronzed/lighter strat. Perhaps mostly due to the weight of the thing. Has to be heavier than a Les Paul. Probably why Jimmy Page slouched alot. Robbie should have fell face forward with something that heavy. Thanks for clearing up this mystery. I doubted that it was Buddy's, but kept my mind open in case I was wrong.

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BWNWITennessee

I had chance to speak with the (a?) curator of the R&R Hall of Fame recently and, naturally, had to bring this subject up, as it had been mentioned here before. He said that it's not Buddy Holly's guitar. I think, if I remember correctly, that he said there were only two Buddy Holly Strats, and Marie Elena, or whatever her name is, has one, but surely there must be more than that. But he said it's not Buddy's. I said that I heard that on the internet, and we all know what a reliable source of information that is. And don't forget that the pictures from the '76 tour indicate that the guitar was originally red, and I don't remember Holly playing a red Strat, or anything other than a sunburst, not that there are too many color pictures of him. Robbie also desecrated this guitar by putting a Washburn locking tremolo system in it at some point. The Hall of Fame guy also said that it's the heaviest guitar he's ever held, which I guess a bronze guitar would be. But see, I thought Robbie had used that guitar on one or both of the Native American CDs, but he said that the TLW Strat has never left the Hall of Fame from the day it got there. But what an awesome job that guy's got.

Has anyone seen the preview for "Gangs Of New York?" It looks pretty lousy. What's up with the cheeseball mustaches? C'mon Robbie, you can do better than this guy.

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Stone

Subject: RE: Bronze Strat

I haven't seen a nice pic of the guitar to evaluate it. But you are right about it, if it does have those features on it. I was just making guesses about it. As I said before it could have been Buddy's guitar, but it kills me to think Robbie would have had it bronzed. Perhaps it came form Robbie's Vintage Collection. From Pics I have seen the neck looks well worn. I have a 1950's accoustic Gibson L1 that nobody famous played, and had it's bridge repaired by a person who shouldn't have touched it as the bridge was coming loose and he used screws to hold it down, ruining the value. I bought it that way. Anyway I certainly wouldn't do anything to change it myself if Buddy played it. Perhaps if the Bronze Strat was Buddy's guitar once, he (Robbie) had a few more of his Strats, thus he didn't mind as much. Necks can be switched as well so it remains a mystery.

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Chris Far East

Subject: Bronze guitar

Re the comments about Robbie's Bronze guitar. It certainly isn't a 1970 strat as the guitar in TLW has a small peghead, "spagetti" Fender logo and a maple neck. Put these three together and you're probably looking at a 50's something strat. I'm sure Robbie had a few strats of this vintage in his arsenal.

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Rick S.

Subject: JWB/fellow Elvis Costello Fans

Band fans around the metropolitan area of New York City- see the Jim Weider Band at The Turning Point, Piermont, N.Y. (25 miles from New York City) Saturday night, 7/20. That goes for you Elvis Costello fans too. I saw Elvis at the Beacon Theater recently and he was fantastic. Pithy humorous comments between songs and back to the music. What a vocalist. Jim Weider Band is back from Finland and Colorado and tighter than ever. Jim is making new sounds on his 52 Telecaster each show which amaze even Randy Ciarlante. Three vocalists include Albert with his high coastal blues voice which stirs up the ladies. A great tight band.

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Stone

Subject: RE: The Bronze Guitar

I looked everywhere for info on this guitar.Closest I came was The Last Waltz giveaway of a bronze dipped 1970 Stratocaster signed by Robbie Robertson as a promotion for the DVD of TLW. I think this might be a clue as to Robbie's Bronze Strat. It maight have been a 1970 Fender Stat and not a Strat owned by Buddy Holly. Seems like the best bet as why would they choose a 1970 Strat to bronze and not a newer or latest model. The giveaway is now over, unsure who won the "Grand" prize.

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DP

Subject: Live Music

This past Weekend, as our fellow Band Brothers and Sisters watch the likes of Garth, Aaron, Randy, Jim, Levon, etc, my wife and myself had to settle to likes of The Flatlanders and Keb Mo. Well, since it seems that our heroes stay to the north of the center of the country, we who live in the real center are fortunate enough to have a great outdoor venue, where the artists can actually play as we enjoy our food , wine and beer, called Chastain Park. Matter of fact, since we were out of town at the end of June, we missed Elvis and his band during their tour down here.

Back to the music, after a 30 year hiatis, The Flatlanders have regrouped, and in the tradional of all wonderfully talented artists play new music and show their appreciation for the crowd with extra enthusiasm. Playing about an hour, thru a driving rain storm, we listen to the likes of Dallas, I thought the Wreck was over, to mention a few. Excellent, what I would describe as True Texas Strut, not in the same mode as Willie or Robert Earl Keen, but a real enjoyable ride thru the Lone Star State.

Keb came on at about 9, the rain let up and in his Long Tall Cool garb, he preformed about 2 hours accoustic, with with partner that night, Clayton Gibb. Clayton is described by Keb as his Band, since Clayton, not only plays about 5 different guitars, also does a little banjo and I have seen him do the mandolin, but tonight that was left for Keb. For all lovers of music, Keb is a treat, I cannot imagine what it must be like to sit down, with guitar in hand, in front of 4,000 people and in about 30 seconds, have them all eating out of your hand. Keb was on fire with , Dangerous Mood, Infinite eyes, As soon as I get paid, just to mention a few, and of course his signiture song, Henry, and yes, Keb did play the part of Henry, steel guitar in hand. I was hoping for his rendition of Love Train, since we needed to get up and dance the rain away, but not that night. As mentioned in previous notes, live music is so special, I just feel if we all had a daily shot of live music, we would not be reading the horrors of the mid east, northern Ireland or other hot spots of the world.

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Peter Viney

Stampeding cattle – they rattle the walls …’ – Elvis Costello has a valid point about the lines impeding the recognition of the song as a ‘standard.’ This is not because they’re wrong as such, because they sound perfectly OK coming from Rick Danko, and that’s who they were written for – but it does impair the song as a standard, because they aren’t ‘transferable’ to a wide range of singers, which a standard has to be. You can’t imagine a standards singer delivering them comfortably. BTW, many years ago I had a long conversation with Attractions drummer Pete Thomas who could quote large chunks of TLW dialogue and who praised Levon Helm’s drumming in terms that would be extravagant to those who don’t know he’s the best, which we all do.

I followed the link to Elvis’s full tour diary (from which the post is an extract) which is excellent reading. At the end, he mentions the album that has all the great previews this summer- the new Solomon Burke with songs from Van and Dylan, and Elvis of course. I think it’s due at the end of the month and the word is that it’s great

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vic

my wife and i took in the Garth Hudson and Cromatix show on sunday at the bluesfest in london, ontario. it was a treat to listen to several Band songs, and see Garth at work and play. i wondered what it would be like had he been born with more arms and feet. especially sweet was the tribute to Rick Danko, with a lovely performance of Twilight. Maud and the Cromatix are are very tight sounding band, and i feel that sound system could have been adjusted slightly to better highlight the sutleties and nuances contained in their playing and singing. never the less everybody was rocking and Garth added a new level of vocal suspence when they played Youngblood. in the space of a month i have been very fortunate to see Levon, Jim, Randy et all, Garth, Maud and The Cromatix, and at the same time my appetite for their music remains insatiable. thankyou

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Ray Pence

What a wonderful morning surprise it was to check the guestbook, one of my daily early rituals, and read Elvis Costello's moving and eloquent comments on Rick Danko and company...I recall buying his records the day they came out back in the late 70s, and then wearing them out..."This Year's Model" might as well have been welded to my turntable for a few weeks in the spring of 1978...man, he spoke to me as a disaffected junior high school kid who would escape through his headphones...I didn't get the Band connection to his music until the "King of America" record in 1986, and he spoke in interviews of his admiration for Rick...and then I got it, and wondered how I'd missed it for so long (probably because even I pigeonholed Elvis C. as "new wave")...hope to hear from him again in our Guestbook, and "may the road rise to meet him."

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Mike Lewis

Subject: Garth Hudson, Toronto - July 15/02

Great show last night by Garth, the Crowmatix, et al. Here's what I recall from the setlist (I'm sure I'm missing a few):

Matchbox, Twilight, Java Blues, Ophelia, This Wheel’s on Fire (with As Time Goes By fade-out), Serve Somebody, Atlantic City, The Breakers, Forever Young, Long Tall Sally (Paul London), Bullfrog, Long Black Veil, The Shape I’m In, Last Train ut, Mr. Luck, Intro/Chest Fever, It Makes No Difference, Saga of Cyrus and Mulgrew, Leave My Girl Alone (Paul London), Youngblood, Cripple Creek

Any corrections welcome.

I do occasional music pieces for The Globe and Mail here in Toronto. On a whim, I put together a little review this morning, but I don't think I've made their deadline (or someone else is doing it).

If my piece doesn't get used, I'll be happy to post it here a little later.

Mike Lewis, Toronto

PS It's great to see that Elvis is in the building. I bought his brilliant My Aim is True album because, to me, Blame it on Cain sounded a lot like Rick Danko.

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richie the brit

Subject: pub rock/elvis

dear elvis. one or two of us have been discussing the late lamented british pub rock movement of the early/mid 70's. any chance of an anecdote about that period from your good self as you were very much part of that movement even though my aim is true came out after the movement had died off. i saw you in cardiff, wales in 1984 supported by the pogues when they were completely unknown. you were superb. i thought the pogues were the biggest idiots id ever seen and that they would never make it. shows you how much i know!!cheers. richie

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Amanda

Thanks for the show reviews. I am really gettin' tired of missing everything!!!!!

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Dear Elvis,

Welcome to the Guestbook. I’ve been a fan of yours since My Aim is True. I’m glad you’re a Band fan, too. I’d never seen any of the guys in the Band play live before until last night. Being from Liverpool, you could look up to The Beatles as local heroes. Here in Toronto, we’ve got The Band. It was a thrill to watch my favorite guy in The Band, Garth, play a club gig. Standing a few feet away from Garth, it was fascinating to see the master at work. With his arched fingers dancing over the keys, he played one ethereal solo (think Stage Fright) after another. When he plays his R&B tenor sax solos, it’s a different Garth: more outgoing, straightforward and a lot raunchier. With his great, graybeard and mane of hair tucked under his baseball cap, he’s what the Japanese would call a “national living treasure”.

There were too many highlights of the Hard Rock show for me to mention but I especially loved the rockers like The Shape I’m In and some of the numbers where Garth and band stretched out. Professor Louie is a talented pianist and vocalist; Miss Marie is a great shouter; Garth’s old buddy Paul London is an entertaining vocalist; Maud Hudson did a great job with “It Makes No Difference”. Regards, Lawrence Brissenden

P.S. You’re right about the line about the “stampeding cattle”. I never did get it.

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Mojo

Subject: Richard Manuel on the Radio !

Did anyone else out there listen in last Saturday night to WOMR? They played the new Richard Manuel cd all the way through from start to finish ! I couldnt believe how great the cd is ! Got all choked up listening to Richard again.. that show Nighthawks really deserves a pat on the back for playing it.I've been listening to the show for a few months now and the host plays a ton of Band music both togehter and solo.He really keeps the flame burning. Great show! Great CD !

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Pat Brennan

And not that I don't love you all, but non-musical matters have weighed heavily lately and prevented serious posting, although I'm still checking to see that things stay neighborly.

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David Powell

Subject: Garth

Thank you Serge, John, Brown Eyed Girl and others for the updates on the continuing live adventures of Garth & friends.

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John D

OK... A few words. Maud opened up with an acapella version of Matchbox; which lead right into Garth at the piano. Maud sounded great! Garth being at the old home town gave us one great solo after another; which was really nice. I saw the show in Bearsville last year and I believe the Crowmatix and Garth and Maud together are really clicking now. I can't say enough about the Crowmatix. They are a very under rated band and Aaron is a brilliant keyboard player. All in all it was a wonderful evening and the place was packed. I got to meet Stanley Landau. Yeh! Lawyers really do dig the tunes. Thant's a joke Stan.

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John D

I was going to post this morning; but I think Brown Eyed Girl said it all. I think the Paul London portion would have been great in London Ontario; but didn't really make it here. The Hawk who showed up late in the night would have been a better choice for Toronto.

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Lil Again

I almost forgot! I came across this article last week and sent it to Jan.. but it probably got lost in his bermuda triangle there somewhere. I thought it was a good one and wanted you guys to read it. Here it is (but keep in mind that the art of paragraph making in cutting and pasting completely alludes me here.) Perhaps Jan would be nice enough to put those in for me. Thanks. Enjoy!

The Band: “The Last Waltz” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Michael Jurkovic May 29, 2002, 11:16pm 4 stars (out of 5) THE BAND “The Last Waltz” (Rhino) Want to hear what greatness was before Britney’s tits stole the concept? Before thuggery stole the show and Tweet pulled her shirt up over her head? Well, here it is baby: Four freakin’ discs of greatness. Well, OK, three-and-a-third discs, but not even the Beatles can lay claim to two of rock’s greatest live documents. Counting “Rock of Ages, “ The Band can. So if you’ve got ADD and can’t imagine sitting still for four discs (OK, OK, three-and-a-third) push random play and hear Rick’s broken but beautiful spirit on “It Makes No Difference.” Shake the snake-bit rattle with Ronnie Hawkins on “Who Do You Love?” You want blues? “Caldonia” and “Mannish Boy” with Muddy. There is absolutely no other version of “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” like this one, not to mention “The Genetic Method/Chest Fever” and “Don’t Do It,” where The Band wrestles the song from Marvin Gaye, making it their own. Dylan does a timeless “Forever Young.” (Did you ever notice how he saves his best vocals and performances for other peoples’ movies? Check out “The Concert For Bangladesh’ if you don’t believe me) Add to all this a weightless “Evangeline” with Emmylou Harris and I’ll ask again. How do you spell greatness? There is so much richness of detail to the music that is “The Last Waltz” that it’s akin to watching “Gone With The Wind” or reading “On The Road:” Wherein an epic American story is told, pulling in all our disparages, finally making us whole. PS: While your laying out the cash for the boxed set, you might as well treat yourself to “The Last Waltz Special Edition DVD.” Fabulously luxuriant, this new 16x9 digital transfer with the original stereo mix and a new digital mix in 5.1 Surround Sound, brings the movie right to your TV. New footage includes an impromptu jam with The Band, as well as Ringo, Clapton, Ron Wood, Stills, and Young among others and two narratives by Scorsese and Robertson. From "Rhythm and News" website. www.rhythmandnews.com

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Diamond Lil

LDO: I used to have the web address for that little cabin called "little pink".. but when I changed computers here.. it somehow never made it to this one.If anyone does know it.. please post it.

And on a semi-funny note.. I thought.. well.. perhaps typing in www.littlepink.com.. would maybe be it.. but um...alot of windows immediately opened up my screen with quite a few photos.. none of which I assure you.. is of a cabin deep in woods off Parnassus Lane :-)

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John Cass

Subject: Big Pink

Long Distance Operator

I went and saw Big Pink back a few months ago after the Jim Weider show at the Joyous Lake and it was a great experence.. I am pretty sure there is no camping (almost 100% sure) the people that own Big Pink now seem nice.. The owner's did come out and talked with us and let us see a small cabin that is built right down the road from Big Pink and they call it Little Pink... you can rent it for a very resonable price and stay there... they do have a web site but I can't remember what it is...

If the G-Man reads this he will probley be able to help you get the email address.

If you do stay there let us know how it was because I am thinking of staying there someday..

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Jenny T

P.S. I am planning the music for my 40th b-day. My intention is to dance until my feet bleed. So far I have decided to play What I Like About You by the Romantics at least twice. Suggestions for other danceable and excellent songs? What I Like About You is one of those songs that's not deep but kills you anyway. At least for dancing.

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Jenny T

That makes me feel better if it was not really Buddy Holly's guitar. A Buddy Holly guitar is probably along the same lines as a Rick Danko bass--it doesn't mean he ever touched it it is just the same model.

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Diamond Lil

Serge: What a wonderful article about the show on Sunday night! Thanks so much for sending it to Jan. It's so very nice to read so much positive stuf about Garth (not that there could ever be a negative thing to say about him)..and it makes me especially happy to see Maud getting some much-deserved recognition. She has such a beautiful, powerful voice, and I'm glad to know that more and more people are finally getting to hear it.

Have a good day everyone.

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Jenny T

That is so cool that Elvis signed the guestbook. Hello Elvis if you check back! I saw him once in the mid 80s at the hockey rink at Harvard, where the plexiglass wall kind of wrecked the sound for me but it was still a great show. My cousin Chandler introduced me to Elvis' music when we were teens--she thought it was nice that we gave an Elvis across the Atlantic and they gave us one back. She is a singer in Santa Fe and makes very cool, intricate custom Western wear for musicians and others. She used to sing soul in NY in the 80s but now is more into country. She used to love to sing Fujiyama Mama.

I had read here that Elvis loved Rick's voice and delivery--I guess it's true.

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brown eyed girl

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Neil

Noticed on the DVD, when Neil does Helpless he has what looks like a index card taped to the top of his guitar with writing on it, words to the song, what?? anyone know, just curious...

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Ben Pike

Through the magic that is e-bay, I finally chased down a copy of the John Simon produced "Big Bright Street", Hirth Martinez's scantly released follow up to "Hirth From Earth." It has even more of a Band feel than "Earth" (produced by Robertson) and Garth and Dr. John really make there precence known; Garth sounding great on the title cut. Worth hunting down a copy if you have never heard it; but snatch one if you see it, it's still hard to come by.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Buddy Cage Shares A Garth Moment / Garth, Maud, Crowmatix and Paul Capers In Toronto

The talented and unassuming Buddy Cage gave me permission to share how BIG PINK changed his life and a Garth moment from the June 28 show in NYC with all of you....Buddy was born in Toronto....He has been on a musical journey with Anne Murray, RONNIE HAWKINS, Great Speckled Bird, New Riders Of The Purple Sage, Grateful Dead, BOB DYLAN, THE BAND, San Francisco All Stars and Stirfried.....

BIG PINK changes Buddy's life....

..Then you hear Garth's intermezzo/prelude to CHEST FEVER - GAWD! I'm DYIN'!!!!!!

Whatever questions/mysteries were brought up to me by Dylan previously (AND THERE WERE A MULTITUDE, FOLKS!), the answers were starting to form from just one listening of BIG PINK. Now, I knew what I could do, how I was supposed to fit into this jumble - Ensemble Music. The Band had seemingly graciously invited me in, by virtue of making that recording - PULL UP A CHAIR AND JUMP INTO THIS WAS THE MESSAGE!........

Buddy Cage shares a moment from Garth's gig at The Bottom Line.....

I'm happy you were entertained Angelina (our job) - so was I - Garth is one of the great players I've had the honour of working with in my lifetime. The last show he said (as he was sitting behind the piano, noodling), "Buddy...play WALTZ ACROSS TEXAS!" And like the old days when I was working as a sideman when I was a kid, I went right into the intro part! Blew me away how automatically I knocked it right off. Had no idea. After we segued into THE WEIGHT, he said (aside) "I'll bet you don't remember giving me a tape of Ernest Tubb doing that song when we were in Australia!...god...

Yeah, send some pix over, I'd love to see them. bc......Buddy....Thanks for sharing.....Isn't that what music and life are all about?

BTW Buddy....I was also mesmermized by YOU at The Bottom Line....your steel guitar playing and your tattoos....Hence the close ups I took with my camera....and you appear to have a sense of wonder and humility....Wished you could have been at Garth's gig in Toronto this evening!

Well....I've never been a huge fan of "Up On Cripple Creek" but when Garth improvised tonight.......WOW......He showed us his brilliance and his wizardy.....Every time he stood up and played his sax and lowered his head and played his organ..............There was no doubt.......:-D.....First time ever I heard a female sing "It Makes No Difference"....Maud......your voice is bluesy....soulful.....angelic......your voice comes from a deep place......Garth Hudson two times in two weeks......double...pure...pleasure! As Marley would sing..."Give thanks and praises....and everything will be alright."

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John D

Just got home from a very fine show with Garth & The Crowmatix............very tired. I will post in the morning.

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richie the brit

Subject: elvis costello/the band

wow, elvis costello!! im not worthy!im not worthy! seriously though, thosre were lovely, poignant words you wrote about the band.by the way, that last album of yours, when i was cruel, is fantastic. have a good tour. richie

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feng

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Elvis Costello

Subject: TLW

Music DVD’s get played pretty often during our journeys. The new edition of “The Last Waltz” makes very poignant viewing these days. The Attractions and I had what must have been bootleg VHS on our tour bus very soon after the original release and we watched it until we knew every word of the interviews. Too many of the people involved have departed sooner than you would wish. I can barely watch the interview with Richard Manuel, he is almost transparent and the wildness that once seemed very attractive now seems only fragile and tragic. I am reminded of my love of these songs. Levon Helm’s singing and drumming on “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” is a wonder but it is Rick Danko who stands out for me. His singing is superb on “It Makes No Difference” (a song that would surely be a “standard” without that weird rhyme about the “stampeding cattle” in the bridge) and there is an unnerving intensity about his performance of “Stagefright” and his verse of “The Weight”, a performance that is also graced by the remarkable Mavis Staples. It is great to see Muddy Waters and Van Morrison in such rare form, so the lasting impression is a joyous one. I wish I could have seen the re-released film in a cinema during the recent theatre run.

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Long Distance Operator

Matt K. asked about Pat Brennan. Is our Pat Brennan the same Pat Brennan that is a renowned, touring sax player? I was at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago and noticed a Pat Brennan on the bill for June 29th. I couldn't make the gig, but I was curious if it was the same cat that posts here all the time. If it is, then he's on tour!

Anybody know anything about camping on Big Pink?

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MattK

Subject: nice trend here

I cannot put into words what a pleasure it is to see Garth getting such attention lately. A new album, a triumphant (and rare, it seems) homecoming, and yet another album in the works.

btw, anyone seen Pat Brennan lately?

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Hank

Subject: In ALL Fairness, Good, Bad or Indifferent

"We just didn't want to compete in a Beatle-less World"

Tom Finn on the breaking up of The Left Banke ("Walk Away Renee")

Were The Left Banke .....an ALTERNATIVE band? Funny, in 1969, It seemed for a while that The Beatles were competeing with The Band..............and made "Abbey Road", in all fairness

......Ah, The GB..........Been busy, folks, but great to read a whole scroll of new GB

I really enjoyed reading about Paul Butterfields breathing on "Mannish Boy"........and I enjoyed Talquas post as well.............

Went to America....Came back....met GBers in NYC..........saw DVD of TLW....have The CLW on disc..........enjoyed the attempt at a reggae jam at the end of TLW........was it reggae?......just the sound of all those fellas goofin off sounded alright to me.......Ron Woods tasty slide licks....I dunno, maybe some found it boring but I.....in the sweltering heat of a NYC July and .....Wow! There's all them guys jammin' and I can't move off the couch and I'm gonna enjoy it type of vibe, y'know?

The DVD of TLW:

.....hmmmmmmnnnnnn....very slick......a wondeful Film Workshop.....Put it on The Curriculum, Sir or Madame......

......but in ALL fairness....to make it REAL, they really should have found audio comments from the other four members of The Band...Good, Bad or Indifferent...........come to think of it.....why didn't they get Claptons or Ringos spoke in or Neil Young or anyone that was there? Van Morrison, Joni.......Good, Bad or Indifferent.......THAT would have made it an absolute treat..........

and don't give me any horseshite about how those people wouldn't want to talk about it......It revamped anybodys career, that was there, from Neils young to diamond......not that they needed it, but a good jolt all the same.....mass exposure on video.......can't bate it, boyo.........

The Official CLW on CD: Can anyone tell whether THIS was all overdubbed or what?........The Band playing "4 Strong Winds"......I played that a gig the other night on the back of hearing it on The CLW.........Joni stuff not as horrible as I thought it MIGHT be....was it overdubbed?......if all this stuff was overdubbed......they musta spent AGES doing it......Did they?........except Levon, of course..........

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Amanda

Serge: Thanks for the link and the photo...must have been one memorable night.

I hope all you lucky folks have fun at The Hard Rock tonight. Don't forget to tell us all about it tomorrow.

Butch: Thanks for two of the best reviews ever!

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Long Distance Operator

Howdy! Hey, I heard a rumor that there is camping available on the grounds of Big Pink. Does anybody know if this is true? I am going to make a pilgrimage soon, and that would be the coolest possible option! Any information is greatly appreciated. -LDO

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John D

Serge........thanks very much for the London Review Link. Looking forward to the show tonight in Toronto.

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butch

sat,,, we were with friends all day,,,

the fine folks Matt Angus & the Black Potatoe festival,,,watta great bunch of men & women,,,GREAT STAFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they fed us & attended to our every need,,,down to a battery for my camera,,, true music lovers,,, & musicians,,,,

the fellas came out swinging,, like they never stopped from friday,,,

again,, a great crowd,, a TRUE levon crowd,,,& the Barn Burners are home there too,,,,

75 minutes of hot blues,,, here the folks were dancin from the 1st note,,,

frankie aheart & mikey lenahan held down the home ground for you GB'rs....with some others scattered about,,,

but it was a triumphant weekend for the fellas,,,
The BLUES abound,,,\, ya'll shoulda been with us,,, what could ya be doin better ????

see ya in arkansas next week,,,,,,

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butch

Subject: jersey weekend

Jersey Rocked with the BLUES this weekend,,,

Levon & The Barn Burners tore up Bubba Mac's in good ol Somers Point,,, a PACKED house,, with old friends,, aplenty,,

just the daugherty boys & their wives were 1/2 the room,,,

the fellas were in fine form,, folks were dancin , jukin & just partyin,,, there were these Playboy Triplets part of a beer promo,, but they didnt compare to the friends enthusiasm for the Barn Burners,,

the floor was filled with happy folks dancin their tushes off,, steady on,,,one girl had on a dress so tight & had moves like a babychild,,, made someone forget the lyrics,,,, Chris & Pat were scorching,, with Sonny Boy & Little Walter lookin down smilin,,,

they started doin 19 years old & it became a crowd favorite in one listen

jeff sarli & Levon were , as always working as one unit,,, that is a killer rhythm section,,,,,, during the break, an old friend from Big Pink sessions, Shelly ( who mixed the Big Pink record )was there with ,,,,,,,,SOOZIE TYRELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

soozie was mixing her new record & wouldnt miss Levon ,,,

watta good homecoming we had,,,

Shelly & Levon were laughin , tellin stories,, just whoopin it up,, good Big Pink tidbits,,, the 2nd set was "one of those sets ",, coulda been a live record it was so good,, all FOUR as ONE !!!!!!!!

Soozie stayed till the last echo of the last note & SWOONED when Levon said he'd like to play some music w/ her one day,,,, cute,,,

we hung with friends,, incl mitch a writerfriend from GRITZ magazine,,, he was blown away too,,,

an amazing night in the continuing saga of Levon & the Barn Burners,, in Jersey,,,,

sat show to follow,,,,,,,,,

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carmen

Subject: RR

To back up Rosalind's point, just take a look at RR's Going Home. RR is discussing past times with the BAND and he sits back in his chair with a look on his face that seems to say if only things could have been different. I believe that he wishes there could have been life with the BAND after TLW.

Any word out there on the RR works in progress?

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Johnny Flippo

Subject: Pub Rock

Great to see Eggs Over Easy name-checked. Of course we all know Eggs became the Moonlighters, which splintered into the Bill Kirchen and Austin DeLone universes. BTW, if you can find a copy of DeLone's CD, "DeLone at Last", pick it up-it's loads of good fun. I'm not sure if Mr. Lowe has played his gig at Slims in San Francisco yet, but Mr. DeLone was scheduled to open, and I'm sure they will do/did a couple of songs together.

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Stone

Subject: The Bronze Guitar

The Bronze Guitar question was raised by Mr. Young. I could be wrong but I think the Bronze Guitar that was given to Scorsese was just a Fender Strat and was called a Buddy Holly guitar due to it's familiarization with Buddy Holly. I don't think Robbie Robertson would bronze a guitar owned by Buddy Holly. I just think that the person interviewed (Scorsese?, can't remember) just didn't know the brand or style of the guitar. Thus the confusion. He never said a guitar owned by Buddy Holly, he said a Buddy Holly guitar, which makes me think it was just a strat and not one of Buddy's. I could be wrong, but if it was Buddy's, why would Robbie bronze a relic.

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rosalind

Subject: Charlie Young's post

I feel that Mr. Young touched on something that needs to be 'though about' by everyone who cares about The Band. I don't have the DVD mentioned, nor have I ever heard the commentary, but in the last several years when Robbie has sat for interviews, either on television or in print, you can feel the sadness in his words and see the sadness on his face, even thru his smile. He has never ceased to love his brothers. The regret has never ceased. It should be obvious to everyone by now. That Weight has surely made the rounds.

I know the Greil Marcus thread has long sinced passed, but he said something in "Mystery Train" that has stayed in my head for years. Not a direct quote here, but he said something along the lines of "We knew that if The Band could survive, we could survive." I always found that to be a profound and beautiful statement...and more than a little bit prophetic.

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David Powell

Subject: Albert Lee

I was great to hear that Albert Lee had recently played a concert with Levon's and Jim Weider's bands. Albert recorded a nice cover of "Look Out Cleveland" years ago. When he was part of Eric Clapton's band, they recorded a duet version of "All Our Past Times", with Albert singing Rick's parts. That version was recorded live at the Budokan in Tokyo in 1979 can be heard on Eric Clapton's "Just One Night", a double live album released in 1980. Also of interest is Eric & Albert dueling guitars on "Further On Up The Road" and Albert stepping up to the front to sing his great version of Mark Knoppler's "Setting Me Up".

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richie the brit

Subject: pub rock/band links

pub rock was always about musicianship and paying your dues as opposed to fads or trends which immediately gave these bands a kinship with the Band. the graham parker/nick lowe band links have been well documented in the gb. other bands in the movement such as eggs over easy played numerous band covers in their repertoire. an ex next door neighbour of mine martin ace,bass player with welsh rockers Man who were on the fringes of the pub rock scene but in reality were were a welsh grateful dead,idolised the band. we had many a conversation over the garden fence about woodstocks finest. im sure that no sleep till canvey island mentions some of the pub rock musicians paying homage to the band backstage on one of their rare early 70's uk tours. i cant be sure about this until i get hold of the book again.

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Serge

Subject: Garth in London Ontario

Check the link for a review of Garth in London Ontario, last night.

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richie the brit

Subject: no sleep till canvey island

this wonderfull book seems to be out of print in the uk.it came out on virgin books 2 years ago. what is it with these bloody publishing houses that a book can be out of print and unavailable after only 2 years.wankers! dont know about the birch melody maker connection. before my time. however since he has been something of a scribe for mojo, i wouldnt be surprised. cheers richie.

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Richard

Subject: Calling Will Birch

Hey WILL BIRCH... Do you read this GB? Like to sell a few copies of your old book, you know maybe clean out the garage... hmmm ?

RICHIE: I seem to remember the Birch byline from mid-seventies Melody Maker.. Is this the same guy?

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Johnny Flippo

Subject: No Sleep til Canvey Island

I've tried and tried, without success, to nab a copy of "No Sleep til Canvey Island." I even struck out while in London last year. If anyone knows how I can go about purchasing a copy, or if anyone has a copy they'd like to sell, please email me. Thanks.

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Dr Pepper

All is well and Bundy is a Wanker!

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Jenny T

I always thought Leo Kottke was a master of 12 string--he manages to sound like at least two people. I saw him in concert once, though, and maybe he was having a bad night, but there were quite a few flubs.

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richie the brit.

Subject: richard from ontario

dear richard. the book is called no sleep till canvey island. its by will birch. its the definitive read on the british pub rock movement. theres also an excellent article on pub rock in the may 1996 edition of uk's mojo magazine by the same author. you might be able to get it off the net. cheers. richie.

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Caledonia

In the most recent issue of Entertainment Weekly Jeff Tweedy (Wilco) says that the best advice he ever got was from Rick Danko who told him to "stay desperate."

I'll be back again next week ...

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richie the brit

Subject: van and pub rock

dear marson and richard. his band and street choir is a stunning album, in fact im listening to it as we speak.richard. ducks deluxe. yes indeed, they were very much part of that scene. the late lamented ian dury pioneered the pub rock scene in his previous incarnation of kilburn and the high roads named after the district of london of the same name. quick bit of trivia before i hit the sack.name a bob dylan/ian dury connection. goodnight all.peace. richie.

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Charlie Young

Subject: 12 Strings & LAST WALTZ Things

Whenever Roger McGuinn plays his Rickenbacker 12-string seems appropriate to me. Harrison played one sparingly on early Beatles' records, and McGuinn says that George influenced him. Of course, his big acoustic 12-string mentor was Bob Gibson (not the one who pitched for the Cardinals).

I finally got around to listening to the Robertson/Scorsese commentary track on the new DVD version of THE LAST WALTZ and it struck me that he seemed pretty emotional at times--not so much the words he spoke but just the sound of his voice. His final words on the disc, "...and that's it...," sounded especially sad. Did anyone else have this reaction? It also seemed that he tried to say positive things about Levon whenever he could. One Levon moment that was always sort of funny to me, but now strikes me as somewhat symbolic, is the end of the studio-filmed take of "Evangeline" when Levon walks over toward Emmylou, waving his arms as if to clear the apparently smoke machine-generated mist. It's like Levon is saying, "OK, enough of this Hollywood nonsense."

Robbie's comments about Van Morrison's attire in the LAST WALTZ rehearsal are interesting in light of the recent talk here about Van's sort of late Elvis, Vegas-y suit from the film. Robbie says that Van had just come from the airport for the rehearsal and was wearing a raincoat reminiscent of Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer detective character. Robbie suggested that Van wear it for the concert, but Van obviously opted for something a little flashier.

Speaking of flashy, did someone here say that the guitar Robbie had bronzed for THE LAST WALTZ was once owned by Buddy Holly or did I imagine that?

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Telqua(Helen Michell)

Subject: I finally found your site, robbie

Hello robbie and to your many dedicated fans, I am honoured to finally see and hear another Indigenous person, especially an Indigenous person from Canada, to be singing and making waves in this Injustice environment. Your music sounds really down to earth, you are another inspiration to the revolution in progress. Congratulations for breaking the sound barrier for Indigenous people of Canada. We here in British Columbia are in the midst of an Illegal Treaty process, with regards to our sacred lands. As Indigenous people we have no say in the treaty process, only the govrnment elected chiefs have a say. The treaty lands do not belong to these government chiefs to claim as their own. Or to sign away for a few bucks to put in thier own pockets. We want to save our own traditional sacred lands. I was wondering if you would do a benefit concert in Vancouver sometime in the future. A benefit concert to support the Indigenous Sovereign Bear Clan Families of Maxan Lake. We claim our sovereignty as we never gave up our traditional sacred lands, in a war or in any agreements. Our lands were stolen from us. So B.C.is the only unceded territory in Canada. They want to make a modern day treaty with the sell out chiefs. They are railroading the illegal treaty process,all for a few bucks, that we will not see, as the little people. We also would like to expose the genocide and human rights violations done to our sovereign people. Pleas get back to me. My address is 1732 East 7th Ave. Vancouver B.C. Canada. Phone no. is 604 216 2594.

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JQ

Folks - We saw Nick Lowe Friday night in Santa Barbara, I'm a big fan so of course I thought it was exquisite. This is a wierd comparison but I think his voice is so rich now that he sounds like Nat King Cole. And some of his new writing could fit in a NKC set list. He still has a vocal twang thing available and he is still a clever, chatty performer. Geoff Muldaur opened.

The links here (so as to stay GB legal) are that Levon Helm played on the tribute record to Nick Lowe (a lousy record unfortunately). And G Muldaur was in Paul Butterfield's Better Days.

Can we discuss 12 string guitars? When they are appropriate, when they are lame and who are the masters?

Cheers all.

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Donna

John D: I lost your email address, when you get a chance mail me. Thanks!

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Marsen

Subject: Van the Man

Greetings to all! The recent thread on Van inspired me to pull out some of his music and dust off my memory a bit. In the process, I found out my favorite Van tape was ruined. (Beer and magnetic tape dont mix well) So I was off to Duluth to get a CD of "His Band and The Street Choir". Of all I hear about Van here, I can't believe I dont hear more raving about this album....it always sets me in a good mood.

I guess the Band connection would be on "Give me a kiss", ...."If you think it's gonna rain, we'll stay home an' listen to THE BAND".....

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richie the brit

Subject: roger mcguinn

happy birthday to the byrdman. he played a gig over here in wales some weeks ago. he was brilliant and he doesnt look a day over 40. the byrds! what a group.what fantastic albums, what a legacy, what an influence on music.viva the byrds!

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Richard

Subject: Pub Rock

Richie: DUCKS DELUXE! Along with Dury, The Ducks were my favorite pub rock band, members of which splintered off to become Motors, Graham Parker's Rumour, Sean Tyla’s Tyla Gang and Bram Tchaikovsky’s Bram Tchaikovsky… Edmunds produced… Now that was a band : ). I hope you can find the name of that book. I'd like to read that. Thanks.

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Amanda

Andy R.: Thanks for replying to my question about Gizmo and the Johnny Average Band. A great guy, who is a wealth of information, sent me an email stating that the Johnny Average Band was, in his opinion, one of the best local Woodstock bands. I have been trying for awhile to locate The Bearsville Boxset, but doubt it will ever happen for me.

I thought the Garth interview in Eye magazine was interesting. An inspiring personal endeavor for Garth to leave out the words "I" and "me" in conversation and focus less on his music and more on others. The process must have been quite difficult, especially the "I" and "me" thing. Very few people have the capacity to be so unselfish in character. I would love to hear more about the music that helped him grow as an artist. The world has many songs.

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richie the brit

Subject: jenny t.

thanks for the respose.zeppelin, there was a band! your right. nick lowe and dave edmunds were very much part of this movement. nick lowe through brinzley schwartz and rockpile dave edmunds through rockpile. other pioneers of the movement were ian dury , elvis costello, bees make honey, eddie and the hot rods, especially dr feelgood,.etc it all ended up being brit new wave. there's a great book about pub rock which came out 2 years ago. sadly i lent it to someone who i lost touch with. i cant remember the author or the title. however , its fantastic. i will find it again. peace richie.

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Michelle

Subject: don't know what else to do ((my apologies in advance))

Maria Mckee I have been trying to find a way to get in touch with you so that I can share my photo....I think you would be startled if you saw the likeness. Would love to hear from you... until then you can visit my site. www.poeticallyspeaking.com We are about the same age as well..I am a year younger. Getting ready to publish my first book and very connected in the entertainment industry. I will not respond to anyone but you so please if you contact me provide me with some kind of proof. Sincerely, Michelle From: Michelle, AZ, michellie@iwon.com, Hi Shell, Yes you do look alike. I always thought so when we saw Lone Justice. Hope all is well with you. Ill write soon. Love, Kathy Original Message From: michellie@iwon.com To: Kathy Wood @earthlink.net Date: 06/12/2002 3:49:03 PM Subject: innh.htm Kind of eerie We look similar I think Love U Michelle skjaereinnh Kathy Wood @earthlink.net EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. From: michellie, AZ, michellie@iwon.com, 7/13/2002 PS. You wont be able to make out my features really good on the pic on my site. I would be happy to scan some in so you can see a resemblance........heres a message from my cousin about the likeness. THAT IS CREEPY! HAVE YOU SENT HER ANY PICTURES? Original Message From: michelle michellie@iwon.com To: "Lucinda Chalmers" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: innh.htm When you have time check out this girl.......looks like we could be sisters? I wonder if Dad had any children he didnt know about....?? Who knows its creepy. Look at her gallery of pics. Shelle From: michelle, AZ, michellie@iwon.com, 7/13/2002 Thought maybe you'd relay the message don't know how else to let he know she has a look alike. I get tired of hearing "you look sooo familiar..where have I seen you? Weren't you here before?" I wondered if she gets te same? Thanks

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Jenny T

Also I would not dismiss groups like REM. Document is a great album and so are several others. In the beginning all their songs sounded exactly the same but they really grew as a band I think. Michael Stipe gets on my nerves sometimes but what a great voice he has. And lyrically their songs are very interesting.

To me Nirvana maybe got more attention than was warranted but they did some great songs. And who can resist a flannel shirt and thermals? Also I love Dave Grohl--he seems like he'd be fun to know. Has nothing to do with the music, but...

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Jenny T

I was listening to Tea for the Tillerman yesterday, and was thinking Sad Lisa is the only song besides Lonesome Suzie that I know of on the theme of "this girl is unbelievably depressed--what can I do for her?" I wonder if Cat got the idea from LS.

On alternative rock: It seems to me when people started using that term, you really needed an alternative. I listen to college/alternative radio quite a bit because that is where you will hear really innovative music. Some of it is garbage, and some of it is shocking and disturbing and I switch stations if the kids are listening, and some of it is really good. It is really the only place you will hear something truly original. There is a song now--I think by a group called Cake--called Building a Religion and it kills me. Our local station comes out of U of Miami and calls itself "the future of rock." I guess I think of alternative/college music as cutting edge and innovative--whatever is happening now that will filter into the mainstream in watered down form eventually. College kids do not yet have ossified taste and some of them are a little more sophisticated than the average person--they tend to to reject the same old recycled, middle of the road sounds and words in favor of something a little more creative and interesting. (I'll bet you it was mostly college kids that bought Big Pink and The Band at the time when the Band was so innovative.) And there is plenty of sexuality, aggression and self-loathing on today's college radio.

Very interesting about harp playing--it seems so mysterious since you can't really see what they are doing with their mouths.

I have only heard the term "pub rock" applied to the seventies music of guys like Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe--a return to mostly straight ahead rock and roll.

Richie the Brit: I have come to the defense of Led Zeppelin before and I'll do it again. So many unbelievable songs.

Sorry I missed the discussion of Long Black Veil, though I know I already said somewhere I think the woman should have withstood the humiliation and saved the poor guy from hanging. But that would ruin the song I guess.

I had no idea Linda toured with the Band--what year?

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MIKEY LENAHAN

Subject: Great Music

As always, Levon and the BarnBurners put a GREAT show on last night at the Potatoe Fest. You couldn't ask for a better night. Great Friends and Great Music. It was good to see Frankie A out and about, thanks for the beer Frank. And also THANK YOU Butch for the photo op. with the Boss Man. You Missed a GOOD one G-MAN. Peace

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karen

Subject: the band... and growing up

I was fortunate to have known a guy in 1983 that told me about a band called The Band. He was my brother in law, wiser than me at 20 years young. The next time I was introduced to the band was years later...my husband brought home the dvd. I have been hooked since. Now i know what my brother in law Burt was raving about. I just watched the Last Waltz, nothing I can say expresses how good it is. What happened to good music sessions like that? Thanks for doing what u are so good at, makes me beleive that true musicians are real. And Levon, my mother had throat cancer also, she beat it with the power of positive thinking, you are an inspiration. Thanks for the music guys, the world is a better place for it!

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Cathie Cretney-Babiracki (Rick)

Subject: Personal Hello

Hello: Just a note, Rick and Chuck send there love. I am a year old Babiracki. Actually Rick and I have been married a year. 13 years together - Rick speaks highly of you and misses the BEAR alot. I guess I should start a BEAR web site. What do you think? Give us a Yell @ Jake@fea.net. Cathie

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jerry....not lee lewis

Subject: mary lou

ronnie....who was mary lou...and did you ever get that diamond ring back???? the band....the greatest ever.

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Paul

I don't know if I'll beat the other harp players into print with this, but: on Last Waltz's Mannish Boy Butterfield's playing what's called a 2-5 split, meaning that his mouth is wide enough to encompass four holes of the harp (holes 2 through 5), but is blocking the third and fourth holes with his tongue. The 2 and 5 both sound, creating the two important notes of a seventh chord, a distinctive blues chord that goes well with the song. He's also inhaling on this chord, almost constantly, enought to pop like a balloon. I think the breathing technique mentioned is circular, expelling air through the nose while drawing in through the mouth. He's also able to put a really nasty vibrato on the note. A fantastic performance by a fantastic musician.

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Diamond Lil

Someone just told me that RR's soon-to-be-released "Classic Masters" is just a re-mastered version of his first solo album. Does anyone know if this is true?

Have a good night everyone.

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Chris D.

Subject: Bubba Mac's Show...

It just keeps getting better!!!! Thank you Levon, Butch and The Barnburners for another great night of the Blues and, as always, your outgoing, genuine kindness to the people who love the music. Butch, not only do you have the coolest job around, your quite the "Baker" too! Thanks for treats! Take care and we'll see you in Annapolis.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Caledonia's post on Mannish Boy

Caledonia, I have always thought that sound made by Paul Butterfield helped put that performance over the top. I never new what it was until I did notice Butterfield on The Last Waltz DVD, then I had an 'aha!' moment. So he is there to see, but just for an instant. Check it out.

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Caledonia

"Then it was Muddy's turn. He came out with Pinetop and Bob Margolin, and Butterfield stayed on. We did "Caledonia," and sixty-one year old Muddy was a little shaky at first. I think this annoyed him, because he then tore into "Mannish Boy" like an old bull who had something to prove. Butterfield, who'd been studying breathing techniques, held one sheer harp note for five minutes as Muddy gestured and danced. The whole place woke up to the power of Muddy's performance, one of the high points of the show."

If memory serves, you can't really see Paul Butterfield during "Mannish Boy" in TLW film. I really wish we could see him perform this musical miracle. It is truly AMAZING.

Muggles: Where are you? Did you see the entry I posted on June 18 in response to your first (and last?) entry? If so, do you have any additional thoughts or comments?

In TLW film, there is a visible scar on RD's right cheekbone. Does anyone know if RD ever discussed this in interviews? I wonder if it was a result of getting hit by a deer (as described in LH's book - see quote below) or possibly the result of one of his numerous car accidents. Just curious ...

"The deer's hind hoof caught the side of Rick's head. The hoof had hit him on its smooth side, so there was no cut, but Rick was stunned."

For those of you not in the NYC area, we have a great non-commercial radio station (WFUV @ Fordham University). You can listen to the station online @ wfuv.org. They play lots of great music (including the Band) and usually include tracks that you never hear on the radio.

I'm hoping to go on the "Blues Cruise" in August. Has anyone been on the cruise before? If so, what is it like?

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rosalind

Subject: Pretty Boy Floyd

Charles 'Choc' Floyd ran moonshine. That might explain the reason why he might have been a little fast on the draw. Back in the early years you just didn't cuss around women, especially somebody's wife! (This was the bible-belt don't forget, booze was alright but if anybody was going to disrespect your wife it was going to be you!) Putting the two together, you have this fella that hates anything connected with the law, and you have this deputy that has stepped out of line around this guy's wife. In a situation like that either some guy's gonna get killed or some guy's gonna get his head knocked off with a log chain!

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John D

Sorry that I never knew the man; but I'm a little confused. Donna and others talking about listening to Whiskey On My Breath.........Miss Cornelia. Were these Cd's you could buy locally; because I went looking for them on the internet and nothing came up.

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Andy R.

Subject: More Gizmo

Dear Lil:

Yes, your memory serves you well. Gizmo is that same guy you remember. We'll miss him.

Oh yes....a belated Happy Birthday, Lil!!!

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Charlie Young

Subject: Happy 60th to Roger McGuinn!

Speaking of "Pretty Boy Floyd," a guy who once sang that song (he probably still does, in fact) has a big birthday today. Happy 60th birthday to Roger McGuinn, who probably has more connections to Dylan and The Band than I could remember...

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Peter Viney

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Diamond Lil

Butch/Andy/Lee: Gizmo? Am I thinking of the right person? Name was Jimmy (Fulton? Fallon?..something like that?) Bartender at Tinker Street? Aww crap.. I hope I'm thinking of the wrong person...because this one is too nice to be gone too soon..and can't even be 50 years old yet...

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Andy R.

Subject: Johnny Average Band..

Amanda:

That would be Nicole Wills and Johnny Average singing those songs with the Johnny Average Band. That record should have been a BIG HIT. Great songs, great production, great playing, great singing.

If you can find the whole album...snap it up.

Andybr67@aol.com

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richie the brit.

Subject: gizmo

dont know nothing about you gizmo, but it sounds as if you were a diamond geezer. rest in peace bro.peace. richie.

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Amanda

Subject: Gizmo

Did Gizmo sing CH CH CHERIE and SOME PEOPLE with the Johnny Average Band, on the Bearsville Boxset? Are there any available recordings?

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O'Toole

I often wondered if Rock of Ages was filmed or if there was more footage of the band playing up in woodstock (ex. King Harvest from the Classic Albums video). Does anyone know if these TV/Film projects mentioned in the interview were ever released - or where to find a copy of Eat the Document?

Thanks - otoole62ATaol.com

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Andy R.

Subject: Giz

So very sorry to hear of Gizmo's passing.

I knew him for many years in Woodstock, played and sang with him,..used to kid always about our Philadelphia roots...Dick Clark, Bandstand, cheesesteaks, and so much else.

He really knew music...and could sing the heck out of a song. I remember "Shake Your Money Maker". What a sad loss.

Giz...rest in peace.

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LG

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MIKEY LENAHAN

Subject: LEVON

Hope to see a few Gb'ers at the Potatoe Fest tonight. Missed Levon last night at Bubba Mac's but was able to check out Hayseed Dixie ( Hillbilly AC/DC cover band)at the Fest last night. VERY COOL! See you at the show Butch. Mike

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richie the brit

Subject: alternative rock;its origins

alternative rock;its an american term most definitely.back in the days when i used to read rolling stone mag. im sure on the back page where the billboard charts were, there was also an alternative chart. staples in this chart were the likes of husker du, meat puppets, sonic youth, the replacements etc. we brits would usually be represented by the smiths, new order, the fall, and the cure. the chart was based on college radio requests etc.(the college radio phenomenom does not exist in blighty)we had john peel on bbc radio 1 for our 'alternative' bands although that label never applied to britain because certainly in the late 70's and 80's punk bands and less commercial groups were on official radio thanks to john peel. as far as labels though, we brits love 'em. punk rock, new wave,always with slightly different nuances than their american counterparts. a peculiarly british category was pub rock, out of which came great bands such as dr feelgood and chilli willi and the red hot peppers(im serious that was their name)this movement was all about blistering live performances played in pubs by these bands. the movement eventually evolved into the british new wave scene but thats another story....

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Donna

Subject: Gizmo

I'm feeling a bit low tonight, when I got the news that Gizmo passed away this morning! His future has been stifled but his voice and music will live on forever. "Whiskey on my Breath" was just one of his greats. Whenever I felt like dancing around the house I'd play, "Miss Cornelia". One of my favorites. How right on you were Butch, when you said, "Too Soon Gone". I never met Gizmo, although I heard so many great stories about him! To his family and friends, Jim, Randy, Levon, and many more, this is certainly a sad day for the music world! I am sure he is singing right along with all our other musical angels right about now!

I was planning on going to see Levon & The BB's tonight, but just couldn't find a sitter at the last moment. Bob Wigo, Butch, Michael L., and Chris, please post about the show in Somer's Point tonight? Bob Wigo: at all cost, stay away from those baked goods!!!

Frankie Ahart: I hope you enjoy the fest tomorrow, and will look forward to seeing you and the crew at the Turning Point, for The Jim Weider's Band, on 7/20. BTW, Frankie: I heard they did away with The Slip and Slides, at TP. Jim said no more, "Sliding Home" for Frankie! :)

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

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zimmer_51

Very nice page!!! Lots of great stuff about Bob Dylan & The Band. Check Out My Bob Dylan Homepage!!!

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Dave Z

Thanks Richard and Jon... exciting Garth interview... and nice picture of Garth... wearing the hat again... on a different direction, it looks like Woodstock is gonna get a John Trudell show in late August... you lucky dogs... on that note it's off to bed... sweet dreams...

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Scott

Just listened to the new Jim Weider Band cd. I have the Japanese import with the extra track (I'm greedy). This is truly an amazing album. This Band brings a smile to my face for the entire length of this work of art. Anyone who loves The Band's (and solo) music MUST get this album. Thank you Jim & Randy & crew !!!

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Brien Sz

Subject: New Wave/ Alternative

Now I'm confused - i forgot about New Wave - I think you are correct - So many labels and not enough talent to fill them. Maybe it was REM that was alternative, Elvis, Cure, Flock of Seagulls, new wave.., Ok, replace my "alternative" terminology with "new wave" and I still stand by my statement as far as the growth of music.

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Ray Pence

bassmanlee's take on alternative rock is pretty close to how I understand it. I was in college in Laramie Wyoming in the late 80s and most of my friends liked bands like the Meat Puppets and Camper Van Beethoven. Sonic Youth would be another. It's basically a middle class college student thing, the kind of stuff you heard a lot of when you were like me and washing dishes in vegetarian restaurants during the summer and smoking grass every chance you got. REM and U2 were able to break through to big audiences while still maintaining credibility with the alternative crowd, which was a pretty snobby bunch and disdainful of anything too popular. But note that Garth Hudson appeared on Camper Van Beethoven record, that REM and U2 have given the Band their due, as have other alternative rockers, who are now well into their 40s. Not so for the grunge people, I think, who took the alternative thing into much darker territory, pumped it up with aggression and sexuality and self-loathing...I recall a big grunge fan dismissing the Band as boring and as nothing more than a "bar band" that got lucky...well, when you're a fan of Nirvana, who couldn't handle being famous because they thought that meant being Number One meant a lot of assholes liked them, I guess that's how you have to look at it...only a middle class person could look down on bar bands, talk to working class people and they generally like people who make it big...

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bassmanlee

Subject: So-called alternative rock

Brein Sz, unless I am reading incorrectly, you seem to have relabeled the New Wave movement with Alternative. As I recall, in the States the Alternative label came up when REM was the rising "college radio" band. I guess this would have been around 1980-81. While alternative shared a certain DIY ethic with new wave, it was not about style and synths and hairdos and dancing, but it wasn't about leather and safety pins and spitting on people either. As someone else pointed out, it was a response to the corporately promoted mega-bands of the time. I had a chance to work a few weeks with a young fellow who was into it in the later stages (maybe 1986) and he played me tapes of the Meat Puppets, Camper Van Beethoven, and a whole lot of other groups I don't remember. I asked him if the inability to actually carry a tune or play guitar was a requirement, and he replied, "Yeah, pretty much. I go for the emotion rather than the playing." As the term kept being used (and still is) I often wonder, "Alternative to what?"

"Underground" on the other hand was a term used in the late 60s/early 70s (on the East Coast at least) to describe almost any non-hit album-oriented music, but primarily stuff like Hendrix, Cream, the Airplane, and host of other 'hippie' groups. These were usually only played very late at night. WMMR in Philly had a show called "The Marconi Experiment" (started in 1968) that was termed Underground Radio - a departure from the then-common practice of simulcasting the AM programming on FM. This eventually led to a full-time album-rock format which at first was free-form, but later became formatted with restricted playlists. (See link above for interesting history of Philadelphia radio stations.)

I guess these terms keep coming back and getting re-applied every couple of decades...now we have alt-country, etc.

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Richard Wall

Subject: Garth's July 12 radio webcast

Hi gang:

Remember me? I wrote the liner notes for Garth's CD. I had planned to go up to Canada with Garth and Maud but, unfortunately, work commitments made it impossible.

I just tried to listen to the live webcast on WDET-fm with Garth and Maud, but the signal became garbled after a few seconds. I guess I don't have a fast enough connection to the Internet. If there is any kind soul who was able to record it and would consider sending me a copy, I'd be extremely grateful. You can reach me at the address above.

I'm really glad to see Garth finally getting a fraction of the attention and credit he so richly deserves. You'll never meet a finer man nor a more dedicated and imaginative musician.

Hold onto your hats, folks. The best is yet to come!

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rosalind

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richie the brit.

Subject: peter and gordon

thank you roz and bill. that didnt hurt did it brit git. peace brother. richie.

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rosalind

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rosalind

Subject: Peter and Gordon

Richie_ Peter Asher and Gordon Waller were a early mid-sixties duo from your country that had quite a few successful singles on both the British and American charts. About 99 percent of their success could be attributed to Paul McCartney, who covertly penned at least the first four of these hits( he was dating Peter Asher's sister Jane at the time) The only two songs I remember from this group are their first hit "A World Without Love" and their last one, the late sixties hit "Lady Godiva". If I'm not mistaken the Gordon Waller part of this duo was involved in some salacious activity that got reported in the british press. I don't know what the hell happened to him but the Peter Asher part went on to become a successful record producer in the seventies. Most of that success came via Linda Ronstadt, I think. I never paid much attention to the group, I'm not that fond of pinky-do songs, altho "Git Brit" seems to be. Maybe he has more info that I do. How about it Git? Maybe you could subdue you taste for newbie blood long enough to be a stand-up guy and act decent!

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Bill

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richie the brit

Subject: peter and gordon

be a sport. whose peter and gordon? peace. richie

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butch

Subject: gizmo

The world ( & woodstock ) lost a great blues singer , early this morning.

Gizmo, a legendary singer in woodstock, passed away early this morning !!!

Too Soon Gone !!!

A compadre of Randy Ciarlante & Jimmy Weider & Levon,,,he had a distinct sound & gravel to his irishwhiskeysoaked voice,,,( he was a huge drinker ) but he sang in many of randy & jimmy's bands, & fronted a benefit Levon did for the wdstk little league, once,,, what a fun guy, & helluva singer,,, "whiskey on my breath" will live in Tinker Street Cafe fame , forever,,,,,, see ya @ the bar GIZ,,, i KNOW you'll be there,, singin',,,, shed a tear,, we lost a musician,,,,,

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Bill

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Brit Git

Sorry man. Far too intense for me.

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richie the brit

Subject: peter and gordon

im sorry brit git. p and g. have totally passed me by. however im always willing to check out new sounds. a spot of info. about them on the gb would be welcome as fool that i am, iv never heard of them.

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Bill

As for Band / Fairport links, there's also guitarist David Rae, a recurring Torontonian who was in Fairport for a while in the mid-'70s. Rae was Lightfoot's guitarist for a good bit of the '60s, then moved over to Ian and Sylvia (in time to play on their version of "This Wheel's On Fire", I believe). Then a couple of albums with Felix Pappalardi. He co-wrote "Mississippi Queen", which is certainly something that no other Fairporter can come close to!

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Brit Git

Wow - heavy stuff man!!! But what about Peter and Gordon?

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Interview with Garth--see link--read this!!

Q: Now that you've made your first solo album, will you be putting out more CDs?

Garth: Yes! I have two new tracks recorded in Norway, and we are planning four solo CDs. I like to record with musicians in different countries, and I am always composing pieces that will take you places you've never been, and bring you back again.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Dave Hopkins, Dave Pegg, and Punk (but not together!)

Dave: Thanks for the Dave Pegg mention. Dave always mentioned Rick Danko as the bassist he was most inspired by and The Band as the group he would most like to join. Dave was a major part of Tull from 1979-1995, and left on friendly terms. He was pulling double duty with Tull and Fairport Convention and eventually had to concentrate on just one to remain sane. When Fairport would open for Tull, Peggy would be playing with both the opening and main acts! Then, during the Tull set, various members of Fairport like Simon Nicol and Ric Sanders would join Tull to augment various songs. What a great era! Tull still commonly show up at Fairport's Cropredy Folk Festival to this day, and it is nice to know they are still on great terms with each other. Dave Pegg also covers Band tunes from time to time, and I thank a major GB figure once again for supplying them to me! On ALTERNATIVE MUSIC, it sems to me that rock started as rebellious music, but when anything becomes mainstream, to still be rebellious each generation has to apply the 'alternative'label to denote something new. So we had alternative punk, alternative techno, Seattle alternative which became grunge, etc. etc. Unfortunately, I am not aware of any true alternative trend today that seems to be the next (worthwhile) big thing.

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richie the brit

Subject: wot no great zep songs!

stairway, no quarter, gallows pole, kashmir, whole lotta love, battle of evermore, rain song, ramble on, etc etc etc the zeppelin came up with the goods time and time again. classic songs, classic albums, from one of the greatest bands of all time, whose music remains as potent as ever.

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richie the brit

Subject: categories

categories in music are just a marketing tool employed by the music industry to sell more records. bands are pidgeonholed in certain neat boxes by record co.'s particularly those bands whose records are proving hard to shift with the punters. to me great music is great music. its possible to like the band, zeppelin, sabbath, miles davies, the beach boys, the dead, nirvana, yes,rush, grand funk, skynyrd, creedence, the doors, dylan,all at the same time(Which i do)how many categories in that lot?

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Brit Git

Not sure if it's relevant but "underground" or "progressive" rock appeared around '67. The basic synopsis/criterion was that an underground group would never tarnish the coolness of their cultish image by stooping to releasing hit singles. Rather it was their albums and live performances which won them an army of "more discerning" fans. Led Zep were of course the most conspicuous example tho there were many many more - a peculiarly British phenomonon I seem to recall. Then again we've always been the biggest snobs so why not in music too? Personally I think they concentrated on albums because they couldn't come up with any truly great songs a la Beatles, stones, Beach Boys, Dylan, Creedence, Atlantic, Stax, Motown et alia. There again what do I know as a Peter and Gordon fan????

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Frred

Nope, I'm not Japanese. Not even of Japanese ancestry. The passport says Canada, the ancestors come, or rather came, from Europe.I just live here (or there, depending on where you're sitting while reading this) But my wife is Japanese. ...has been all her life!!

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rosalind

Did you ever notice how the Grim Reaper takes the lives of entertainers all in one big swoop? Five or six of them all in the same couple of weeks, and then he goes away until the next big swooping entertainer harvest. I always found that to be kind of interesting.

Speaking of harvests. They found some more of those crop circles too...down in Oregon this time...the wheat wasn't even broken and there were knobby things on the stems. Things are getting stranger and stranger...

Hopefully by the end of next weekend I will be suffering from post-b-cup depression!

Hey Frred, Are yoo Japanese? Happy Birthday! Thanks for laughin' at my joke last week!

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Richard

Subject: Thompsons

Dave Hopkins: Thanks for the link to that GREAT article on Linda Thompson. Lots of interesting details there on her life and career. I can't begin to imagine what she sounded like singing with Dave Thomas :-). I'm really looking forward now to this new CD.

And thanks JQ for the tip on that Mojo article...

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Fred

USUALLY at the end of the ad in small print on the screen there is info about the song and the singer(s). Unfortunately not in this case. So if anyone out there knows...

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Brien Sz

Subject: Alternative Rock

If I recall correctly, "alternative rock" came about in the early eighties. There was rock, Boston, Stones, Kansas, Dylan, Steve Miller, Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush, Led Zep, The Who, etc.., then you had a faction of harder rock (but still rock) Kiss, Ac/Dc. There was Disco, (that's what we called dance music in the 70's and early eighties) and of course R&B (when it was R&B) Then there was Punk, leading the charge was the Sex Pistols - This was such a shock to the system that it couldn't be referred to as rock BUT out of this movement came a new kind of music - Madness, The Specials, The Cure, Elvis Costello - it wasn't punk because it wasn't as violent or as *uck You as punk was - No, this was different but at the same time it wasn't the kind of rock that was 'normally' played. This music had wierd keyboard stylings, lead guitars became rhythmn instruments or were overly manipulated through various gimmick boxes. The "look" of the artists changed to a more fashionable/colorful image. It wasn't rock - so it was dubbed alternative rock. Well all these years later, music for the most part went down the alternative road that these artists carved out while more traditional rock acts became old or the newer ones (Black Crows, Stevie Ray) struggled to survive. Now alternative is just an old term that has fallen into the wayward world of the genric term. After the emergence of grunge, alternative seemed to lose its impact in terms of category. Remember, U2 was once an alternative band.

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Dave Z

Subject: Flyin' High

Got my first listen to Flyin' High... while drinking some James Page brew... Don't Wait is a great Louie vocal with lot's of Garth's playfulness on organ... and some piano trading with Louie... I'm also really digging Jackie... and hoping someday down the road I will be able to burn a CD of just songs where Marie sings about trains and well, whatever... as long as there's a periodic shriek too... luv it... anyway, my anticipation is ramping up for JWB/Crowmatix/Garth... live... just to see how they mix too... thanks for the music guys... it's great background for a great summer I'm having so far...

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rosalind

Subject: The Seldom Scene

Boy it really is nice to hear The Seldom Scene mentioned here! The Hippest Bluegrass in the world..at least it was in 1974 when I first heard of them. I was blown away when I found out that these cats had day jobs and were basically semi-professionals. Over the years the line-up changed but they remain just as rich in talent as they ever had been....well...almost. The best version of "House Of Gold" I ever heard. They've done a wonderful version of "Long Black Veil". It just goes on and on! I just can't say enough about that wonderful group! Thanks for bringing them up!

I'm a hobo on a freight train to heaven..And I ain't got no ticket, I'm just stealing a ride!

I ain't welcome aboard the train to the Lord...but I bet he'll be glad that I tried!

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Dave Hopkins

Linda Thompson's first new album in 17 years, appropriately titled "Fashionably Late," is scheduled for release on July 30, and features an appearance by her ex-husband Richard (as well as their children Teddy and Kamila, Van Dyke Parks, Martin Carthy and his daughter Eliza, and several other members and ex-members of Fairport Convention). Linda's lack of musical activity over the last 17 years has chiefly been due to the condition vocal dysphonia, an inability to sing, which is a psychological rather than a physical affliction. Fortunately, she has made a recovery, and is even planning to tour in the fall. (See the link above for more.)

One Band connection here is that Richard Thompson has been quoted as saying that Rick Danko once told him that he wanted Richard to join The Band after Robbie Robertson's departure, but that other members of the group were opposed. Danko was also a friend of Fairport Convention (and ex-Jethro Tull) bassist Dave Pegg.

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Fred

you must realize that in Japan in music stores all foreign artists are listed alphabetically according to the first letter in their FIRST name, hence Levon Helm CDs found under L; however this does not apply to bands with THE (i.e. THE Band; THE Who, etc) they're not put in the T section (The Band is in the Bs, the Who in the Ws and so on). But the best thing that happened in all this time (shortly after my B-Day) was the 3 CD Box set ("Swingin' with Django"-Django Reinhardt with Stephane Grappelli) I picked up for roughly $10. At first when I saw the price tag I thought "gee my eyesight's really getting worse". I picked up the CDs brought them over to the clerk, asked if this was a mistake or not, she checked the computer, the price was on the up & up and without hesitation I bought them...I've been listening to a lot of jazz lately (when I'm not listening to The Band).

Alternative rock: isn't that the smaller diamond you actually buy for an engagement ring or anniversary present after you realize the one your loved one really wants will put you (the buyer) into so much debt that you begin to call yourself ARGENTINA.

OK so I've ranted and raved enough and it's time for me to make plans for my daughter's upcoming birthday...she's going to invite 15 friends over for her party this year. Oh my.

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Blind Willie

Just wanted to add my voice and thank all for Richard's cd. I never thought I would hear 'new' Richard again. Going to Garth's Toronto show? Stop by and say hello, I'll have Bugs Bunny ballcap sitting on the table when I feel like it. It's a great weekend to be a Band fan!

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Dexy

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Calvin

Subject: Alternative Rock

Not to be a cynic but it really seems Alternative Rock is simply a termed used to promote music. I can think of several people that Ive heard on "alternative stations" that were about as mainstream as you can get.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Category Blues; R. & L.Thompson; The Seldom Scene

It's so good to back down here in Old Virginny that I am celebrating surviving another week on the road by listening to some Carter Family recordings from the 1930's. It's timeless stuff that really defies category.

Speaking of categories (which I always hate when it comes to music), I often defined "alternative rock" as an alternative to music played by artists who can actually play instruments and sing on key. Like rap, alternative rock was always more about attitude than music to me. I'll take any single CD by The Band over the entire boring ouvre of REM or Nirvana any day.

I did hear a new Linda Thompson song featuring her ex-husband on guitar this week and it sounded fine to me. Richard Thompson's guitar playing has improved with age if you ask me.

Finally, it is nice to see the Seldom Scene mentioned here. I used to see the original lineup during my college days in the Washington, DC area and they always put on a good show. The current lineup of the bluegrass group are also doing an upcoming gig with Chris Hillman and Herb Pederson at the Birchmere next week in the DC suburbs.

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jcf

That is a pretty good question: (What is the difference between alternative rock and rock?). The term alternative rock seems a bit pretentious. But that pretentiousness really is not that significant... I think alternative rock has been used to refer to music that is an alternative to both rock music that is strongly influenced by the great rock (e.g. so called "classic rock") of the past, with the implication that such contemporary rock is not original enough; and also as an alternative to much of that rock from the past. Having said that (i.e. "much of that rock"), I think "alternative rock" isn't really meant to be understood as an alternative to the greatest of previous rock music. For that rock music has teh uniquness which some non- alternative contemporary rock allegedly does not possess.

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Bonnie

Subject: varied

At work today the subject of alternative rock came up. However, nobody could agree upon what exactly was the difference between rock and alternative rock. Please help us out with a definition. Thanks

Spanish Rose can also be found on Brown Eyed Girl

Tonight I am going to a free concert in the park featuring one of my favorite bluegrass groups, The Seldom Scene. Only one of the original members stills plays on a regular basis with the group. Nevertheless, the sound is the same. Like the Band even though the line-up changed over the years as long as the sound remained the same it was still the band.

The Scene performed last weekend prior to the Down From The Mountain Concert (featuring the O Brother Sound tract)I highly recomend both acts. Ieven went out and bought the Patti Loveless' Mountain Soul album, and I don't usually do country. BR

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richie the brit

Subject: bonzo c.d

dear peter. im holding in my hand a burned copy of a bonzo best of cd. its called the bestiality of the bonzo dog band(what a title). strangely enough it was lent to me by a mate before you brought them up on the gb.this is my intro to these much loved, sadly missed english loonies. perhaps a brief potted history of the band from a fan such as yourself on the gb wouldnt go amiss. cheers richie.

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Jack

Subject: The Band & Bob Dylan @ MLG Toronto January 1974

Looking to see if there are "tape "traders on this site,I was at this show and it was one of the best shows I ever had the priveledge to see&hear,would love to find a copy on Cassette or cdr.Have tons of Allmans,Govt.Mule,Dickey Betts shows to trade or videos of tha above or other rock shows.Is there a tape trading community for fans of The Band like there is for ABB etc.?BTW,looking forward to seeing Garth here in his hometown this weekend at the London Blues Festival.Levon and Barnburners were here last year and closed the weekend out in style.Also,nice article on Garth and other LBF performers in today's London Free Press newspaper.

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King Whistle

Subject: John Sebastian

John D: I have the Handmade Collection of John Sebastian. Let me know if I may be of assistance.

Actually, there is a song called "You Go Your Way and I'll Go Mine" off of Welcome Back which, inexplicably, has become a favorite of mine.

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JQ

Richard - I saw the bit on Linda Thompson on page 12 of the July Mojo.

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Bones

I'm excited about the re-release of Rick's first album. As far as I know, this will mark the first time that Arista has released it. Does anyone know when the bonus live tracks were recorded?

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Friend Indeed

Subject: Central Park? In the Dark?

Funny someone should mention "Cental Park in the Dark." I happen to have a couple of extras---sealed Deep Six label originals, of course---available. Contact me if interested.
brainlaATaol.com

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Richard

Subject: Thompson (s)

Yeah, I heard a rumour (and sigh) that Linda Thompson's new CD will include old hubby Richard on several tracks... can anybody confirm this? Anybody heard any songs from this yet?

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JQ

We're off to Santa Barbara to see Nick Lowe tomorrow night. I think it's the kick-off off a short US tour. I mention this because I really beleive that if one appreciates The Band quality that Nick Lowe would work too. Not exactly the same style as The Band (he doesn't rock any more) but just as smart, spare & fine musically. Check out any one of his last 3 records. I think he's been humbled by experience and age. More later.

Linda Thompson has something coming out at month end.

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Kevin T.

Subject: Adam Duritz and Central Park In The Dark

Two stray thoughts: I agree with Diamond Lil about Adam Duritz. I've always thought that he does a fine Rick Danko imitation. Listen to his singing on "A Long December" and I'm sure you'll hear an echo of Stage Fright. I know that to most of the GBer's bootlegs are a contentious issue,but has anyone located Central Park In The Dark? I'd like to get a copy. Contact me at the above email address. Thanks.

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bob wigo

What's cookin' Butch?

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bassmanlee

Subject: I we could only hear those walls talk...

From the Globe and Mail interview with Garth (see What's New)...

"The walls are also lined with tapes, many containing Hudson's work all the way back to Hawks shows from the early 1960s..." sigh.

PS - Peter, most of the Bonzo LPs were reissued not too long ago in the States on Cema/OneWay. They have the US covers and titles, so Doughnut In Granny's Greenhouse is called Urban Spaceman, but there were some bonus tracks. Absurd prices on half.com suggest they may be out of print now. All five LPs are included in the rather pricey Cornology box set. AMG lists three volumes on EMI that contain two albums per (vol. I & II) with the third containing Friendly and the usual b-sides and outtakes. Also check the above link to neilinnes.org. (a great site, BTW). The rest of you normals can ignore all of this!

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Amanda

The pictures of Garth at The Bottom Line are perfect! You wouldn't believe how envious I am...

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butch

just a reminder -----------------------

FRIDAY nights Barn Burners show in SOMERS POINT,,,IS AN EARLY SHOW,,,

1st show is 8 pm,,,, ( there is a second show, too )

get there EARLY !!!!!!!!!!

Levon has a HUGE FOLLOWING down there,,,,,,,& Levon Helm & THE BARN BURNERS pack the house,,,

see ya there,, im baking as i write this,,,

butchy crocker,,,,,,,,

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Susan

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richie the brit

Subject: mexican theme

reading the post about the last hombres sort of tied in with this afternoon. iv been chillin' out on my day off with a nice bottle of red and some olives watching bring me the head of alfredo garcia. an amazing movie from a genius director with an amazing cast,warren oates, kris kristofferson et al. dear old sam peckinpah and warren oates. gone but not forgotten.

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Zack Murdock

While I must admit some bias (I co-wrote "Archangel" on the album Redemption), I am pleased to report that the The Last Hombres featuring Levon tore it up last night at The Stephen Talkhouse in Amagansett, NY. Levon is the consummate pro, playing great, looking fit, and generally charming the hell out of everybody. Kudos too to Russ Seeger for his fiery picking and to the three singers Russ, Paul Schmitz and Mike Meehan (who share lead singer duties in a manner reminiscent of one of Levon's earlier bands). Viva Los Last Hombres!

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JTULL

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bob wigo

JTull,

Check out "Blowin' Your Mind" on Bang Records. It also appears on at least one compilation of Bang Recordings.

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Susan

JTull, that's early Van Morrison, circa 1967 or so, when Brown Eyed Girl was a radio hit. Spanish Rose is on the album Blowin' Your Mind, and probably on the Bang Masters too. I can't remember for sure. The Bang Masters might be your best choice; there are several versions of these early tracks out there - various versions and outtakes and repackaging. I think the British issues were different from the US issues also. Probably Bang Masters has the most tracks. I like all the tracks well enough, and some of them are classic Van.

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Brit Git

I know it's from a pre-Astral weeks Van LP which I think is called - 'This is where I came in ' I think. It's got a front cover painting of Van arriving in Noo York. It contains Brown Eyed girl, Ro-Ro Rosey, the Smile you smile, Tb Sheets, early versions of Madame George and Beside You and a beautiful song about his love for a litle girl the title of which escapes me but I'm quite sure its mood underpinned much of the shortly to follow Astral weeks. There again that could have been on 'Them' the early years. The memory fades. If you can't locate this lp then I'm sure you can get Spanish Rose on any of the recently released 'Brown eyed girl or early year compilation cd's. Hope that helps.

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JTUll Fan

Subject: A Van question for VIney

I downloaded this Van Morrison song called 'Spanish Rose', I think. It sounds like early Van and has a hook I can't get out of my head. Would like to find and buy the album. What is it's origin and is the rest of that album any good? Bet it's a 'b' side...

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Kalervo

Subject: Nice things...

I am proud to have such wonderful Finnfellows like Jakke and Ilkka! I was about 3 months old when Helsinki Olympics started...so the mother' s breast was my main interest then, too! And being an addictive personality I don' t drink anything with caffeine but tea anymore.

Thank you Jakke for helping me. Wigwam is still one of the best bands in the world. For Susan and Bill I think I' ll drop a name or two every now and then: a couple names who sing in Finnish: our most popular singer-songwriter Anssi Kela, who is a fine guy and loved by people of any age - www.anssikela.com......Eppu Normaali - our most popular rock/pop band of all time - http://eppu.rdx.net/------and really fine music store Digelius which is selling through internet, too:www.digelius.com/finland.htm......their have in their staff an Texan guy called Philip Page who is the manager of many foremost Finnish folkgroups like Varttina and JPP. He came to Finland because he fell in love with Wigwam' s records!!

I have to recommend few American artists with Finnish origins: 1)Eric Peltoniemi, who is the vice president of Red House Records - the home of fine songwriters (Greg Brown, John Gorka, Lucy Kaplansky etc.)...the real underrated artist, whose excellent album Songs O' Sad Laughter is available at least through Amazon....2)his brother Kip Peltoniemi, fine folkish player, whose albums like Minnesota Tango are in the Digelius list 3)Diane Jarvi, a lovely guitarist, kantele player and singer (www.musicoutfitters.com/diane_jarvi.htm).......these three are Minnesota-born.....there are others too like Jorma and Peter Kaukonen, and Erik and Niles Hokkanen but someday more...

Lovely to see Lovin' Spoonful appreciated...There is a story of them in June Mojo, too... I am heading soon Kaustinen Folk Festival. There will be exciting names, too, like Waterson-Carthy and Natacha Atlas and lots of artists from Finland and all over the world....

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Amanda

I got it!!!! I ordered Remedy too. I am hoping within this lifetime to make it up North to see the JWB.

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Jay

Subject: Paul Burlison's Train Kept a Rollin'

Amanda, I got mine from half.com, but www.towerrecords.com indicates that they still have some copies in stock. That's the only other source I could find.

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MIKEY LENAHAN

Subject: Paul Burlison

Hey AMANDA Check this site ----- you can buy Train Kept A-Rollin by Paul Burlison from www.Half.com This is a GREAT cd Jim Weider is the Producer and also plays on this cd. A MUST HAVE http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?meta_id=2&domain_id=1876&cpid=1858661

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Amanda

Subject: Jay

Jay: Please email with the place of purchase for Paul Burlison's Train Kept a Rollin'. Thanks!

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Ben Pike

"Steiger, and Marlon Brando, let your inspiration flow" -Van Morrison "Wild Children"

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Jay

Subject: Japanese Levon Reissues / Paul Burlison

A recent visit to the newly relocated Tower Records in Atlanta revealed that Levon's first 3 solo albums have recently been reissued in Japan. This includes his self-titled album from 1978 that was not part of the Edsel reissue series a few years back (as far as I know, the only CD reissue of the 1978 album was on MoFi alumininum). The discs are selling for $24.99 each at Tower.

I also received Paul Burlison's TRAIN KEPT A ROLLIN' in today's mail. Thanks to Ben for the recommendation. A wonderful listen for any Band fan. One lead vocal each for Rick and Levon (Levon's is a duet on "Hound Dog" with Mavis Staples and backing vocals by Rick), HEAVY participation from Jim, Randy and Richard B. Now sadly out of print. These two tracks would have been egregious omissions from my solo odds & ends CD-Rs had Ben not pointed me to them!

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Diamond Lil

Aah. Being a sucker for the voice of Adam Duritz, I had to pick up the Counting Crows new cd, "Hard Candy". I'm loving this! Other than the beautiful "If I could give all my love (or Richard Manuel is dead)"..I fell in love with "Black and Blue" and "Why should you come when I call?" after only the first listen.
Oh..and btw.. there's actually 2 Band connections to the cd. One of course, is the mention of Richard. And the other? A very good cover of a very um.. "colorful" tune, originally done by a 'hands-on' performer in TLW. A real nice surprise that's _not_ listed on the cd. Listen for awhile after track 13....

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Winterland

Jakke, the Winterland Ballroom was demolished in 1982. It was originally an ice skating rink. I'm not sure what is there now, probably office buildings. It was located on the corner of Steiner and Post streets here in San Francisco. Next time I'm in the area I'll check it out for you.....

Thanks For The Memories......

Think Hurled Peas

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zimmer_51

Very nice site!!! A lot of stuff about Bob Dylan and The Band...I like the pics in 1966 with Dylan. Check out my Bob Dylan site at http://geocities.com/zimmer_51/index.html

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Jakke

Subject: Wigwam

There is some samples from the Wigwam's new album "Titans Wheel". Just roll down of this page and check these songs: Heaven In A Modern World, Titan's Wheel, Greatfield, Good Mornington Street, Subterranean Sunrise. Thanks.

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Peter Viney

Excellent reviews for 'Halos and Horns'- especially for having the nerve to cover both 'Stairway to Heaven' and the Bread song 'If' (which Telly Savalas had a hit with). Really.

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richie the brit.

Subject: please levon come to limey land

a plea from the heart. are there any rich band fans in dear old blighty with lots of dosh who can stump up some readies for levon and his barnburners to do some british gigs. possibly as part of a package with garth's band? we'd love to join the party.good night all. richie.

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MIKEY LENAHAN

Subject: Levon Helm and The Barn Burners

HEY BUTCH, I will also be there with Frankie Aheart ( Black Potatoe Fest)....Hope too see you. Peace Mike Lenahan

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Jakke

Subject: Finnish music / Wigwam

Hi all The Band fans! As Kalervo mentioned before I recommend Wigwam's new album "Titan's Wheel". This music is quite similar as The Band, particularly Wigwam's music from the seventies, and Wigwam presented a lot of The Band songs with their gigs in seventies! I have asked this once before, does anybody knows: what is now in San Francisco's Wínterland? Is it still concert hall or what? I saw The Last Waltz from Finnish television in the middle of eighties and that was it! After this I was a huge The Band fan. Saw them -96 in Lakeside Festival. I have some photos from there too. I have buyed all their records plus solo records and I have some special Robertson promo-discs too. In the end of the eighties I tried to find The Band fan club, but there were nothing. Not in Europe. Thanks for this site and this music!!

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Bill

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Peter Viney

As far as I have, Garth only appears on 'Ain't Love Funny' - but who knows?

Illka: Impressed by your command of Franglais. Yet un autre language, n'est ce pas!

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Bones

According to CDNow, Garth plays on the cd The Very Best Of JJ Cale. He played accordian on "Ain't Love Funny" from Closer To You but that song is not on this cd. Did Garth play on other Cale tracks that are on this cd ?

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JTull Fan

Subject: Wacko Jacko

Perhaps it's racism that prevents kids in Harlem from buying Jimmy Sturr's polka records and Palestinian kids from listening to Van Morrison and The Band...It's too bad about Michael. He used to make awesome music in the 70's and 80's and I remember a lot of the white kids in my high school trying to dance like him and even wearing one glove. I thought his music was as good as anything being made at the time. Now he's just gotten bizzare. Too bad. Elvis just got fat but Michael's gone insane.

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John W.

Subject: Jacko

Remember when Michael Jackson married Lisa Marie Presley? I overheard two women gossiping about it. "That skinny little white girl don't know what she's doing!" said one lady. "Yeah", replied the second lady, "and Lisa Marie better be careful too!"

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Ilkka (encore)

Subject: Thanks Serge ... and Serge

SERGE #1 - Merci Monsieur Serge Daniloff for votre reminiscences of the ecole days de Garth Hudson. It is tres important for us etrangers to read votre messages of the Belle Epoque of The Band. (Sorry for my poor French.)

SERGE #2 - Merci Monsieur Serge Gainsbourg for your musique.

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David Powell

Subject: Jacko goes country

It was reported last week that Sony/ATV, a partnership formed by Sony & Michael Jackson in 1995, has bought the venerable Acuff-Rose music publisher. Formed by Roy Acuff & Fred Rose in 1942, Acuff-Rose holds the publishing rights to songs recorded by Hank Williams, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, as well as many others. Sony/ATV previously purchased the largest country music publisher, Tree.

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Ilkka

Subject: Coca Cola, Finland, Kalervo

For 50 years ago - in the year of the Olympic Games in Helsinki - Coca Cola arrived to Finland. Back then I still preferred the milk from my mother's breast but I remember my big brother's great smile. - BTW Happy Birthday Kalervo! Happy Birthday DLil! Happy Birthday USA! (Dont forget 17th May, Norway, and 6th December, Finland.)

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John D

Was talking to one of my black friends today who reiterated how Wacko that Jacko is. Blaming Racism and the fact that white people are jealous of the fact that he has surpassed both Elvis and the Beatles in record sales. Maybe just maybe it was because he paid off parents to the tune of 40 million bucks when their son said that Jacko was a little weird with him. Being polite here. My friend also thought it was funny that jacko; who has spent most of his time looking like a white guy is now jumping on the Sharpton bandwagon. Just because his CD bombed. Some people.

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butch

Subject: multi-subjects

Just a Reminder, folks,,,

This friday , LEVON HELM & THE BARN BURNERS

Bubba Macs Blues Shack somers pt new jersey,,,,,,,

also SAT,,,,in Jersey, too,,, Clinton to be exact,,,

@ the Black Potatoe Festival, the festival is a great setting & always fun,,,

i know frankie aheart is comin ,, anyone else ?

also, BELATED BIRTHDAY GREETINGS to the queen,, miss LIL,, many mo' babe,,,\, well thass all, for now,,,,,,see ya in JOISEY !!!!

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Bob R

Subject: Richard Manuel Broadcast

Richard Manuel fans: Dont forget that this coming Saturday night, July 13th, the "Nighthawks" program on WOMR-FM from Provincetown,Mass will be featuring the new Richard Manuel CD, "Whispering Pines" --the cd will be played in its entirety--so if you havent heard it yet, you're in for a treat ! "Nighthawks" is on from 10:00pm-1:00am PST / 1:00am-4:00am EST -- you can listen in from anywhere in the world by logging on to www.womr.org --hope you can join us !

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richie the brit

Subject: once again van

spot on bob. did you know that some of the songs on hymns to the silence turned up on a tom jones album released earlier produced by van with nearly all the songs written by van. fair do's, van does have a soft spot for odd collaborations. remember cliff richard. cheers. rich.

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Bill

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John Cass

Subject: John D

John D

I have 4 Sebastion record albums and one CD if Rooty Toot is on one of them I would be happy to tape it for you.. The record albums I have are

The Four of us

John B Sebastion

Real Alive

Tarzana Kid

The CD is

King Biscuit Flower Hour Live Album

let me know.. I am not at home now so I can't check and see if Rooty Toot is on them but I will check when I get home

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bob wigo

The passing of Rod Steiger reminds me of the beautifully evocative "Wild Children" on Van's "It's Too Late To Stop Now".

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John D

Thanks Charlie for the information. I was aware of the Handmade CD pkg.; but it's darn expensive to get that one song. The BBC version which I just went to on Amazon.com is not the live version I was looking for. The one I want, of course is from the 1971 release of "Cheapo Cheapo Productions Presents." I thank you very much.

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bob wigo

Richie the Brit,

Are you referring to Van's "Hymns to the Silence" ?

I recall both "Just a Closer Walk With Thee" and "Be Thou My Vision" as marvelous reworks of classic hymns. For the record, Van's cover of "I Can't Stop Loving You" on that same disc is among my all time favorite songs by anyone at anytime.

The Van Morrison discussion here the past few days has been more than interesting. On that I'll say this.....there are many great singers out there and we are blessed to share all of their wonderful music. Among them, Van Morrison is a singular, distinctive and uniquely gifted vocalist. His voice comes from somewhere deep inside.

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Diamond Lil

A "new" cd from Rick??? Tell me more.. please!

Have a good day everyone. XO Jan.

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richie the brit

Subject: rod steiger RIP

im very saddened at the passing of rod steiger, and so soon after the death of john frankenheimer,two huge talents,sadly no longer with us. Steiger was a great, great actor.so many wonderful films. my favourite? i know its obvious, but i can watch in the heat of the night, again and again. its choc a bloc with superb scenes,the best one for me is when he gives his colleagues (including warren oates)an absolute roasting for arresting a policeman. YEAH OH YEAH ! he screams. they were all expecting pats on the back.on the waterfront, the pawnbroker, magnificent! my fav. frankenheimer movie. less obvious. French Connection 2. a dynamite sequel to a classicfilm, disproving the notion that godfather2 is the only decent sequel to a great film. their talents will never be forgotten.

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Dave Z

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Charlie Young

OK, this is related to The Band as John Sebastian is one of the handful of musicians who has played with both Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm since "The Last Waltz" (not to mention Danko, Hudson and Manuel).

John D: the first song John Sebastian ever wrote, "Rooty Toot," is available one two live CDs. One is part of the Rhino "Handmade" label Sebastian boxed set, and there is another version on the BBC release called ONE GUY, ONE GUITAR. There is apparently an unreleased studio version of the song, though. I wish someone would release a live recording of Sebastian with his band from the 1970s, though. So far, nothing but solo Sebastian shows have surfaced.

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rosalind

Richie_ Thanks for comin' up with that hymn! I borrowed a friend's cd yesterday and listened and listened. It was like trying to catch a bird! I got it! No I don't. I got it! No I don't....

Happy birthday to all you July babies! Di_Mond lil shares one with O.J. Simpson and I share mine with Yoko Ono! I thought Cancerians were non-confrontational and nurturing. O.J ? He must have a lot of Leo and Scorpio too huh?

Rod Steiger died today .....you were the cream of the crop Rod, even tho you sometimes flowed over a little too much.

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More for Mary Helm Wellwood

Go to the Guestbook archives for Mon. November 24, 1997. Look under the name Serge. You'll find a lot about Ish.

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Serge

You can't. Jerry Penfound died in London many years ago..early 90's.

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Pehr

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mary helm wellwood

Subject: "Ish"

Does anyone know how I can contact "Ish" Penfound a member of "The Band" back in the 60,s?

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Mike Nomad

Subject: Garth Hudson

For anyone interested, there's a decent section-front article on Garth in Toronto' s Globe & Mail on Tuesday, July 9. Link to same has been provided above.

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Serge

Garth attended Medway High School, never Clarke Road High. Ron Brown was a music teacher who played clarinet and sax, and prior to that led the UWO marching band while attending that U. Garth never bussed for anything from Belmont that I know of. He lived in the London Township, and did not play in "a band called Brown".

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Bayou Sam

Happy Birthday Lil!

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Chris D.

Subject: Levon Helm Blues Band?

I guess I was a little slow to pick up on this, or maybe it was discussed earlier but in the "Concert" dates it list "The Levon Helm Blues Band". Who plays in this band? It's not The Barnburners because there listed at other venues. Help me out on this one. Thanks! PS- Hey Mikey Lenahan, great suggestion about the long weekend to include the Potato festival!! Long term plans won't permit it though! Damned Career always screwing up a good thing!!!!!

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Diamond Lil

A biiig thank you to everyone for the birthday posts and e-mails. My sneaky daughter tells me she hit the computer while I was running errands this morning :-)

On a personal note: Alot of love and tears today for the man who I would've celebrated my 20th anniversary with on this day. I miss you John. 7 years gone seems like a lifetime.

Thank you Jan for the nice happy birthday and Rick's beautiful face and voice (although I still can't hear it here).

Have a good night everyone. Thanks again.

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Peter Viney

For those who think we're rambling aimlessly here with no connections at all, Ritchie mentioned John Cale … Bassmanlee picked up the Bonzo Dog reference. What's the link? John Cale's "The Academy in Peril" where Legs Larry Smith narrates "Legs Larry at Television Centre", which set me out looking for my old vinyl copy of "Church of Anthrax" (John Cale / Terry Riley) with which I will now retire …

A very happy birthday to Lil (Shared with my son). Cancerians rule, OK? (Me, Lil and Robbie to name but three).

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King Whistle

Subject: Birthday Wishes

Happy Birthday to Diamond Lil.

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Peter Viney

Bassmanlee: Well spotted. I saw them about three times. They were spectacularly un-PC in every way. The sight of a rubber coit being used as Mick Jagger's lips and then as a soul singer was far, far over the top even way back then. A completely memorable experience. Reminds me I don't have anything by them at all. Will remedy that tomorrow.

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Peter Viney

Brilliant! I've been trying to trace the hymn behind that Van tune for weeks- and it is indeed 'When I survey the wondrous cross' - as soon as you said, I put it on and it is. Thanks.

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John D

I want "Rooty-Toot" live released on CD

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Jon Lyness

Happiest of birthdays, Lil!

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Charlie Young

Subject: Happy 29th to Diamond Lil; The Lovin' Spoonful Lives!

David Powell: thanks for the tip on those Lovin' Spoonful reissues with bonus tracks. I can't wait. The first Spoonful album is as good as any music from that period, with "Night Owl Blues" ranking as one of the best instrumentals I've ever heard. I enjoyed the piece in the new MOJO about the Spoonful, with a bunch of photos I'd never seen before.

Speaking of the Spoonful, this talk of whole albums performed in concert reminds me of one John Sebastian show I saw around the time he recorded his FOUR OF US album. The second side of that LP was like the Beatles' ABBEY ROAD, with a bunch of songs that sequed. John's story was the tale of an epic trip with his wife and two close friends, from the Carribean to Flordia, Louisiana and eventually Colorado. He played the whole damn album side straight through without missing a beat. It was great and I'd love to track down a soundboard of that show (Shady Grove Music Fair, Maryland, 1971). Even though Dr. John and some great studio folks played on the studio sessions for that album, the live versions of those songs "cooked" on that tour.

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richie the brit

Subject: lou reed

dear mattk. i envy you. those 3 albums you mentioned are absolute scorchers. iv only seen lou reed at a nelson mandela benefit ages (i think it was him, there were so many artists there). iv seen john cale a few times. he's a welsh boy, a true celt. we'r very proud of him around these parts. he was born just up the road. peace.

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Andy R.

Subject: Richard Manuel CD "sound"

Bones:

Thanks for you compliments regarding the "sound" of the Richard CD. I always mixed The Band and various combinations thereof to sound "just like a record". No phony echo or mucho effects to muddy the sound. Just make it natural, intimate, and very clear...especially the bass and drums. The real hero is Yoei Hashimoto who did the mastering from my tapes to CD. He did a fantastic job.

Also I'd like to thank dear friends Artie Traum and Robbie Dupree for making it happen. Kudos also to Terri F. Baker, Esq. and her assistant Frank Polonia, on behalf of the Richard Manuel estste. Also to Josh and Paula Manuel...and love to Arlie Manuel too. Also Masa Ogawa for TYO Music, Inc.

I hope to be able to maybe release some more great stuff from my archives. I hope there would be an interest for them..not just among GBers..but people who appreciate honest, good music.

Thanks again Bones. Peace all.

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richie the brit

Subject: the van hymn conumdrum

dear susan. it could be a melting pot of different hymns. im listening to it now, and it sounds like 'when i survey that wondrous cross'. am i going mad.? easy van trivia question. which van album from the 90's had not 1 but 2 rearranged hymns on the album. for the full prize money, name the actual tracks too.

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John D

Subject: RICK DANKO AUGUST 6

Original CD with Bonus Tracks

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rollie

Good point Raquel! The sound of one hand clapping. That was great!

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John D

Just a reminder that Garth Hudson and The Crowmatix will be at the Hard Rock Cafe next Monday night here in Toronto. This of course is the site where Dylan saw The Hawks for the first time and where I was lucky enough to have my pic taken with Bob Dylan when he returned with The Band on Tour 74 to see The Hawk himself. Again, that's next Monday night July 15th at The Hard Rock Cafe.

Sadly Serge won't be there as he has had his Visa revoked at the Hamilton border after telling police he was really Django Sergeio :-))

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JTull Fan

Subject: Waters & Clapton

If I recall, Eric Clapton toured with Roger Waters on the Pros & Cons of Hitchiking tour and get so PO'd he almost quit the tour, and certainly never worked for Waters again. Rick Danko's rerelease sounds awesome and overdue.

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Johnny

Subject: Remastered and expanded "Rick Danko" CD in August

Tower's website confirms that Arista Records will be releasing a remastered and expanded version of Rick's first solo album, 1977's "Rick Danko," on August 6. The bonus tracks are listed as previously unreleased live versions of "This Wheel's on Fire," "Stage Fright," and "The Weight."

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MattK

Subject: Full Albums in Concert

I've seen Lou Reed twice. Both times, he performed his current album in it's entirety ("New York" and "Songs for Drella" in 1990; "Magic and Loss" in 1992). Both shows rank amongst the best, most emotionally gripping concerts I've attended, particularly the "Magic and Loss" show.

In addition to a fine, sparse ensemble featuring Rob Wasserman on bass and a "resurrected" Little Jimmy Scott, the album's theme of memory, illness, mortality and death was BETTER live than on the album, IMHO.

Admittedly, the emotional impact of the show was made more poignant as one of the friends who was with us was dying with AIDS. By intermission, most of us were in tears - but this communal mourning felt uplifting, somehow. Rather than making illness more emotionally painful or awkward, Lou's wrenching material was somehow freeing, for a shortwhile anyway, and my anxiety about about death that seemed to be hovering over me before the show dissolved.

Never underestimate the power of music.

MattK

PS: Gilmour freaking rules!

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Bill

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JTull Fan

Subject: Second Rate

Twilight: You are more than welcome to join my thread, assuming you could do so constructively, and I thank Richard for starting it. In no way was I offended by his use of the term 'secong rate', rather I thought it made a great springboard for extending the thread. You, however, seem to be picking a fight, and I decline the offer. I see no reason to bring politics into today's GB, and respect the other GB participants too much to start another nasty tangent just because it satisfies some juvenile craving of yours. Peace.

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Bones

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Jenny T

Now see On and On is just what I am talking about. I haven't heard that song in years, and if I did I'd be all excited. I'd be all excited if I heard anything I haven't already heard a thousand times. I'd be pretty psyched to hear the Band, even though I have so much of it. Actually I did hear Don't Do It on this Jellyroll show one night, but it's not the regular format, it's a special show. I am wondering if it isn't a lot cheaper to play the same three songs over and over rather than have a staggeringly large playlist. I don't know how radio works I guess.

I don't think anyone who knows about design thinks of Finland as provincial.

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twilight

Subject: richard and .....

Finally recieved the new Richard Manuel disc - a warm and intimate listen. From the comments here about Richard the person - you sort of feel like a friend on the sideline while you listen. Really enjoyed the addition of Rick and Jimmy Weider. I would love to hear those songs on a plain old piano.

Looking forward to hearing George W. try to spank the people who bought him the presidency on TV tonight. Zeppe - try not to burden JTF with the facts about Floyd. Depending on how patriotic he's feeling, he'll likely blow some ill wind your way. Second rate is a compliment for that group.

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Johnny Flippo

Subject: Happy Birthday/Mullets

The happiest of happy birthdays to you birthday girl (a/k/a Diamond Lil), and many, many more.

As to the video stills posted in the "What's new" section - what's with the mullet Rick is sporting? Lil, you knew him well. Had Rick momentarily lost his mind?! Find out who the Woodstock stylist responsible was and bring his or her head to the GB.

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Susan

Subject: The Beauty of the Days Gone By

Richie, I don't hear Rock of Ages or Amazing Grace in this song? Can you tell me what bits remind you of those songs? I've been running the tune to Beauty in my head all day, waiting for lyrics to fall into place, but so far I just hear Van's. It's a very familiar tune, or at least close to a very familiar tune, but I can't conjure it up from the church times of my childhood. My local hymn expert is off digging up artifacts in the broiling sun.

After reading Ray P's theory of radio programming I paid attention to the radio my office mate plays all day. I noticed some female vocals; a couple of Fleetwood Mac songs from Stevie and Christine, and some unidentified women singers with 80s sounds. The women were mixed throughout the playlist, and seemed to have at least 3 songs per hour. It's a soft rock station, really, with late 70s and 80s music designed to be played in offices and stores. Dancing in the Moonlight is in regular rotation; I seem to hear it every day around 10 am. There's no dj, it's one of those pre-programmed stations where the music is chosen by corporate decision to fit a desired demographic. There's a decent locat volunteer radio station, but the structure of this building won't let us pull that station in, and sometimes people talk too much on the air anyway.

I'm wondering what streaming radio stations will be left now that the music industry got their way on the performance fees for web radio. I've enjoyed pulling in the Fordham U station from time to time for the music I'd never hear otherwise.

Happy birthday, Diamond Lil; let joy abound.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Tull & Gilmour

Richard: I have no problem with your post, it's all in fun! Passion Play has NEVER been a Tull favorite of mine and you are right to classify it as second rate (although MANY Tull fans would crucify me for saying that.) Tull has always been a band of change, and their better material unfortunately is some of their most obscure. In terms of concert attendance, etc., Tull is among the most successful ever. Perhaps only the Dead and the Beach Boys surpass them. Tull consistently filled venues like Madison Square Garden several nights straight through the early 80's, and even into the '90's could fill 10,000 seat arenas. In 2002, they fill theaters of 5,000 or so, sometimes 2 nights in a row. Not The Backstreet Boys, but not bad for being Too Old To Rock and Roll... So my issue is that in terms of a performing act, Tull certainly, over 34 years, have earned the right to be top tier. Doesn't mean you have to like them! On Dave Gilmour, I LIKE him, and I LIKE Floyd, but I just don't think he/they rise to the top tier of musicianship. Good, absolutely! But that's it. Waters doesn't even bother to play on his solo lp's to any degree, and his voice is shot. Still love the old codger, but Danko and Robertson/Weider Gilmour and Waters are not! Of note, backing vocals on the Wall are performed by Toni Tenile and Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys (Waiting for the Worms, I think). Also, I recall seeing Water's Radio KAOS tour in Hartford back in '87. His bass got tangled in it's cord, and a roadie had to come on and disentangle it and in the process had to disconnect it from the guitar body. The bass continued from the PA system as Waters appeared to have a fit on stage! And it wasn't a a noticable keyboard improv!

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bob wigo

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Sara- is a hoe and i'm the best

Subject: what-wtf??????

wtf is this??????? it sucks........i think and i'm confused. how r ya'll doing??????? it's getting hot in here. g2g and check out some eminem pictures. damn he is hot and he is the best. i want his new cd. there is some hot songs on it. peace out. have fun

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Bill

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David Powell

Subject: Randy Newman

Randy Newman has been the topic of some discussion here in the guestbook lately. I've always enjoyed his unique brand of music, so much different from that of The Band's, but just as rich in layers of texture. Both Mr. Newman and The Band were among the six subjects that Greil Marcus focussed upon in "Mystery Train --Images of America in Rock 'n' Roll Music". Perhaps due to those thick-lensed glasses he wears, Mr. Newman's images of America are often darkly shaded in tones cut with the sharp sword of irony.

On October 4, 1974, I had the pleasure of attending the "world premiere" of "Good Old Boys" at Symphony Hall in Atlanta. Mr. Newman, accompanied by the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra (conducted by his uncle Emil) and special guest Ry Cooder, performed the album in its entirety, along with many of his earlier songs. It was one of the most memorable concerts I've ever attended.

JQ mentioned Randy Newman's eponymous 1968 debut album, which is often referred to as "Creates Something New Under the Sun". That great album has yet to be newly remastered like "Good Old Boys" and "Sail Away" but is available on CD. Warner/Rhino has done a good job with the new remastered titles, especially with "Good Old Boys". They're not remixed, but the remastering has brought out the different layers of instrumentation in more detailed separation. I hope "12 Songs", "Live" and the rest of his catalog receive the same treatment in the future.

Peter Viney inquired about the "Sail Away" reissue. Although it doesn't have the amount of bonus material included on "G.O.B.", it's five bonus cuts are indeed worth having for the die-hard fans. Included are "Let It Shine" (written for a T.V. pilot and a preview of future soundtrack work), "Maybe I'm Doing It Wrong" (the studio version of the song only available previously on the "Live" album) and the demo version of "You Can Leave Your Hat On". --Whenever I hear that song I've can help but think of that lovely lady from Athens, Ga., Kim Bassinger, dancing to Joe Cocker's cover as she uncovers herself in "9 1/2 Weeks". Also included as a bonus on "Sail Away" are early versions of "Dayton, Ohio 1903" and the title track. The alternate take on "Sail Away" is interesting because it features the great rhythm masters, Earl Palmer, Jim Keltner & Milt Holland, following Mr. Newman's cues in fashioning the song.

Who else but Randy Newman would write a song from the perspective of a recruiting commercial for slavery on American soil? Many casual listeners are often put off by the despictable characters that Mr. Newman casts in his songs, especially when he sings from their perspective. Well, irony & satire are often too bittersweet for some tastes, but that's part of what attracts myself & many others to Mr. Newman's music.

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Raquel

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Zeppe

JTull, what do you mean Pink Floyd rarely played their own instruments in the studio? On all their albums up until The Wall, each member played his respective instrument. On The Wall album and The Wall concert tour, they used another bass player because Roger Waters wanted to concentrate more on his vocals. Also they used outside drummers on some of their later albums. Nick Mason was not a standout drummer. Same applies with Waters on bass. I can see your point about lack of musicianship there. But Richard Wright was an above average keyboard player. And David Gilmour, in my opinion, ranks among the top ten all time with his guitar playing. The man is a musical genius, and he is also a multi-instrumentalist. But many people don't know who he is, and alot of people who listen to Floyd don't realize how good of a guitar player he is. They go to the Floyd shows just to see the theatrics. I know Pink Floyd was a multi-million dollar capitalist-minded group, but I still think they made great music.

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richie the brit

Subject: playing an album live part 2.

dear richard. how could i forget the floyd playing whole albums live in concert. happy birthday d.lil all the way from the land of the celts. wild hard drinking welshmen. remember richard burton.

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bob wigo

Crabby,

Any chance you will aboard ?

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Laurence Hudson

Subject: Garth's High School Days

Great site - congrats to the person who conceived and executed it. Actually I have a question - Does anybody know whether Garth Hudson ever played for Ron Brown's extracurricular band at Clarke Road High School in London, Ontario? I know that Graham Lear (of Santana fame) did. I found out these "facts" when I got to Clarke Road. Ron Brown was the music teacher. He had a weekend band that gigged around London, Ontario called (in my time anyway) "A Band Called Brown." I was told that Garth bussed in from Belmont for school, and naturally graduated years before Graham Lear. Graham graduated a few years before me. Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me (as with most other things) - or maybe I was horribly misinformed in the first place.

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Richard

Subject: tull

JTULL FAN: Although my appreciation for Jethro Tull is strictly nostalgic, I did call the concept albums themselves second rate... not the artists. A statement you would seemingly agree with.

Sensitive Americans... sheesh ;-).

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bassmanlee

Subject: Catching up/women on the radio/fat bastards

Returning from days on the road...sweating bullets while saber-sawing through 10 gauge plate panel doors in 90-plus heat and humidity...what fun...to find the GB its usual sprawling resplendent mess...

Peter gets a nod for the Bonzo Dog reference (Can Blue Men Sing the Whiles, or are they hip-o-crites for singing, woo-woo-woo-woo-woo.) (See link.)

Jenny T & Ray Pence: Who or what indeed decides what is 'classic' rock, or anything else? First it has to be a hit, so what's on oldies radio is mainly in the hands of the previous generation of radio playlist morons/mavens. It's a kick to find some oldies dj with no handcuffing playlist pick the odd choices, but they are few and far between. Riding down the highway recently listening to an AM oldies station (and waiting for the ballgame to start) and heard Stephen Bishop's "On and On" sandwiched between "Pennsylvania 6-5000" and "Arivaderci Roma". Now that's creative programming! Ran home and learned it immediately (in two different keys, no less). It's actually not a bad song. Bish is a guilty pleasure from my college days.

But I digress...on rock stations, especially in the Abrams (sp?) format that dominated 70's and 80's, it was traditional to only have one "chick record" in heavy rotation. So timing was important. Joan Jett, Alannah Myles, and Pat Benetar lucked out. (Imagine if Bonnie Raitt's Green Light LP actually got any airplay!) But you could have all the dumb-guy bands you wanted...Styx, BTO, Foriegner, Bad Company, Grand Funk, and Loverboy could all have hits at the same time!!

Successful Fat Bastards: Jackie Gleason, Fatty Arbuckle, John Belushi, Meatloaf, Raul Malo, Sebastian Cabot, Teodore Bikel...to name a few. But lookin' good has always been a big part of being successful in music (and acting, of course). Look at today's upcoming crop of artists in any genre, be it folk, singer/songwriter, R&B, Country or even Classical. The babes and hunks get the push, for sure. BTW Ms. Wilson did not have liposuction, but had stomach stapling, a fairly well documented albiet last-ditch option of the morbidly obese...

Rave on, kids, rave on!!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Entire albums and second-rate acts

Richard, I do have to take exception with your classifying Tull as a 'second-rate act'.I would certainly place them above Pink Floyd in terms of musicianship. Floyd rarely played their own instruments in the studio, and although their stageshows were top rate, all the visual aids served to disguise their lack of musicianship. Tull continue to tour heavily after 34 years, never having stopped, and they employ numerous, non-traditional instruments in the process. OK, Tull is not The Band, but as a working band they have few equals. They did play the entire Thick As A Brick and Passion Play albums back in '72/'73, and considered reviving the entire TAAB several years back but decided a 12 minute segment was enough. The boots I have of the entire Passion Play album live are not very revealing, as playing a continuos 45 minute work live tends to get tedious. For Passion Play fans I recommend the revealing 'NightCap', released in 1993, which contains the original incomplete Passion Play sessions, which are more humumorous and appealing than the final, released product. Incidentally, Passion Play made it's worldwide live debut in Norfolk, VA, for my fellow Virginians out there, back in 1973.

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paul godfrey

Subject: G A R T H

Picked up my Garth Tickets for Sunday nights Bluesfest here in London. The lineup reads:

GARTH HUDSON & CROMATIX & MIKE TAYLOR WITH LLC

Spoke with the promoter Adam Green today when I picked up my tickets and he assures me that we can expect at least 2 very high profile additional entertainers on stage with Garth.

Just look for the guy with a silver beard and a LAST WALTZ t-shirt and say hello.

Like the man said: "may you stay FOREVER YOUNG" Diamond Lil. shineonpaulg

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Richard

Subject: Kinks

Yes Richie. God bless the Kinks and the Office Block Persecution Affinity!

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MIKEY LENAHAN

Subject: Levon and The B'Burners

Levon and Crew will be at the Black Potatoe fest in Clinton NJ this Saturday night...Hope to see a few GB'ers show up. Hey Chris D you should make a party out of this weekend Bubba Mac's then take a short trip to Clinton. Peace

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Richard

Subject: whole albums live

A few more artists who performed entire albums live (at the time of release too, before they were classics)... Lou Reed, Graham Parker, Pink Floyd, The Who. Damn, I wish Dylan had done that with 'Love and Theft' : )

I'm sure there were a bunch of second rate concept albums performed this way too, but concrete examples escape me right now. Maybe uh... Todd Rundgren, Ambrosia, Alan Parsons, Tull... ?

Happy Birthday Diamond Lil.

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John D

Happy Birthday to the Empress of The Catskills. Now how old did you say you were......uh guess I forgot; which I do from time to time. Not really.........just won't tell. Hug Lil and Jan. Huh?

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carmen

Subject: D Lil

Happy Birthday D Lil!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Birthday Lil

Diamond Lil, a fellow Cancerian!

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Mr guerilla

Subject: Diamond Lil's birthday

Haven't been visiting much recently not out of choice may I add but am glad that I managed to today. Most of the time I have spent here has been in the lonely hours when I used the music and this site as an escape from other things.

I have not met you Diamond Lil but I want to wish you a very happy birthday and a lot of peace and love. You give this site a loving soul and I have been touched and inspired by your posts. There is no substitute for love and you give it in abundance.

I want to say a big hello and thankyou to everyone for enhancing my music knowledge, allowing me to keep rediscovering songs and making sure that some very special music is kept alive through some wonderful and passionate people. Do we really care? - Hell yeah!

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richie the brit

Subject: playing whole albums

pete. the celts were very much a distinct race of people with a very unique culture. more on that later.(indeed my wedding ring has a nice celtic cross on it.) the trend of playing whole albums live is not a new one.(its a most welcome trend though.) the who often played tommy and quadrophenia live in their entirety. the kinks, god bless 'em based whole gigs on specific albums such as soap opera and the preservation act albums back in the 70's. i love the kinks. cheers ritchie. thanks roz for the gb 10 commandments. brilliant!

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Susan - proxy for Bill

Yes, certainly, Kalervo, your search for Finnish music is still on. I found Wigwam on Amazon - Nuclear Nightclub looks interesting. Do you have other recommendations?

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Ragtime

Subject: Diamond Lil's birthday

May you stay.... forever young

and

May you stay... forever...

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Jessica

Subject: Happy Birthday mom!!!

Hi mommy, I want to wish you a very happy birthday. I love you. And sorry I couldn't get you a present (IM BROKE)...haha. Have a good birthday.

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Jenny T

I never thought it might be sexism keeping Linda and others from "classic" playlists, but maybe there is something to it. The obnoxious talk I had chalked up to Cincinnati's taste.

But you would think all they would care about was appealing to a certain demographic--people my age--and would give us what we want to hear. I can't be the only person who is sick to death of the 3 Rolling Stones songs and We're an American Band. I wish I had my own radio station.

It is weird how the music is now segregated whereas when I was a kid listening to top forty radio the Earth Wind and Fire was played on the same station as the Paul McCartney. Now we have a Mojo station with classic R & B but they used to be together.

Very interesting about Watkins Glen.

Peter: Well I think the prehistoric Celtic and Germanic tribes were originally one people, weren't they? Although language tends to follow genes and linguistically they are pretty different. Plus with all that Viking admixture in Ireland you have a Germanic/Celtic blend. But there is a certain Irish look which must be in the genes--my husband is Irish and looks like Conan O'Brien and Denis Leary had a baby--the map of Dublin on his face they call it.

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Kalervo

Subject: Unbelievable...

Unbelievable...now I am a communist, too...Only in the black and white world of extreme Right there are two sides:the right-minded and communists...Am I really in the international guest book of the Band???? I really hope that you write here when you are sober...

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rosalind

Please erase my entire last post, especially the part where it said not to post in the guestbook if you didn't have anything intelligent to say. That would count me out altogether! I'm Sorry

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Kalervo

Subject: Recycling life and music...

I am back although I have been called a moron and some other names. And Finland got its share, too, as you see..just because I dared to critisize some pathetic messages and that otherwise fine Jim Weider Band could have been even more brilliant in Puistoblues...Oh well...

Oh yes Van...I have been Van' s fan for all my adult life. My sister even asked me in 70' s that are there in my life anything else but Van Morrison!..Why then am I feeling alienated by his music today? I think it is this constant recycling of his life and music as though he is not living at this moment at all...Bruce Cockburn and Caetano Veloso, the artists of his age, has shown that you can be challenged by today...

It is fine that Van is still making his music, but I'd love to see some hard-headed producer challenging him...for instance Van Dyke Parks, Rick Rubin, Jackie Leven, Mitchell Froom, Robbie Robertson, Eric Peltoniemi, Daniel Lanois, Craig Street etc...Have you names?

Susan and Bill...is my search for some Finnish music still on?

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Long Distance Operator

Subject: I believe I'm strangling in this telephone wire

Anybody into Townes Van Zandt? Click the link for an interesting story on the TVZ archives. What a mess.

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rosalind

Subject: Angry but Friendly Brit....

I can't think of anyone more suitable to answer your question on Guestbook practice and discipline than Me..plus I brought the subjuct up.

No, You do not need a catchy name. I never thought my name was "catchy". It's Too Jewish!

Never dictate when a thread should or should not be buried (unless it's that ugly thing) The Guestbook flows along at it's own pace. I guess.

Always remember to respect the opinions of others and post accordingly. There are real human beings behind every word.

Never enter the Guestbook door intending to post with a chip on your shoulder.

Do Not become so fixated on the Guestbook that you pile your posts up on top of each other like a stack of buttermilk pancakes.

If you don't know anything Do Not pretend to know anything. It Looks Stupid!

Do Not take the Guestbook too seriously. It will cause you to have ulcers.

Always remember to appreciate Sir Jan Hoiberg! He is the much respected Norwegian professor that runs this joint! He deserves it! He is longsuffering and kind unless you piss him off !

Last but certainly not least, Don't Be a General Insubordinate Melicious Asshole! It don't get you anything but tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail!

I have a confession to make: I consumed an entire store-bought seedless watermelon in one sitting yesterday afternoon! I would never have confessed that to anyone but y'all!

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Chris D.

Subject: Bubba Mac Shack

Anyone out there headed to Somers Point this weekend to see The Greatest Band In All The Land, Levon and The Barnburners?! Haven't had a chance to see them since Helena in the Fall. I'll be there and I already got my tickets for the Annapolis show. Looking to meet some Guestbookers!! See you this weekend!!!!

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Pehr

Rented the Beatles anthology and watched the whole set of em, going back and forth to the vid store. quite whaqt brought this on I dont know exactly, but the moptops really got me goin', and happy b day Ringo!

of course I never stop thinking about my favorites and was wondering if they'd get a mention or a tip of the hat when they panned this kids room full of memorabilia and next to a bunchg of astronaut photos there is the classic Levon and the Hawks, '64 with all the fellas and Ish Penfound! (episode 3).

George also mentions them in the last episode that going to Twickenham to record Let It Be was a real bummer after hanging out in Woodstock with our fellas.

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ritchie ex friendly brit

Subject: celts

dammit pete youv rumbled me. id be useless on a witness protection program. ill carry on the celt discussion tomorrow. im beat. iv got to have some kip. what do you think of the hymn theory. goodnight. peace. ritchie.

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friendly brit

Subject: protestant hymn hiding in a van song

in the song concerned im sure i can here strains of rock of ages and possibly bits of amazing grace. i wouldnt put my house on it but thats the vibe i get. peace and goodnight. peter. im going to give that song another go .

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David Powell

Subject: RR's Classic Masters

The announced release date (U.S.) for Robbie Robertson's "Classic Masters" is July 30th. Haven't been able to find any track listing. I'm probably not alone in wondering when an album of new material might surface.

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Peter Viney

Ritchie … Celts - two views on this recently. A couple of years back someone "proved" that Irish, Welsh and Southern English DNA was identical, thus indicating that there were never any Celts and that they were invented a few hundred years ago by writers. But two weeks ago someone else "proved" that the DNA was different, "proving" that only the Welsh were the true Brits, with the English being Dutch invaders (rather than German as believed for 1500 years). As someone with a Southern English father and a Welsh mother with French ancestors, they should have been able to prove either theory from my DNA (which is where I guess genetics falls to pieces)!

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Peter Viney

The Robbie Robertson songbook under "What's New" was issued in …1991 and reprinted in 1999.

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friendly brit

Subject: van again

having joined the gb a few weeks firstly under my real name and now with a nickname (is having a catchy nickname part of the gb drill roz, in fact what is the drill?), i must confess the van/weight debate is the most stupid, dumbest discussion iv come across in my life. can we please drop it into the dustbin of history. did anyone ever have a go at pavarotti for being a fat b*****d. of course not. its the music that counts. i bought down the road today. yes a real return to form. incidentally, van is neither irish,or british. he's a Celt. this is something which transcends nationalistic bounderies.

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Bones

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Don Pugatch

Subject: Van DA MAN

If there is any question about Van on TLW, listen to what Dr. John had to say,,, about Van and what Mac calls "Da Show". I consider myself one of the lucky ones who has seen the Man live, and he was in rare mavelous form and as my buddy calls him,, The Voice, and yes The Voice did steal Da Show and continues to make beautiful music , while others just sit around and try to rekindle their lost talents.

On another note, WFUV played the new Lost Hombres, featuring Levon this afternoon, see Butch, I do stream, and not on the net or wall.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Bruce from Boston: Jimmy Sturr & Arlo Guthrie?!?!?!

Bruce: Thanks for your post and link. Jimmy Sturr & Arlo Guthrie!?!?!? Oh, no! The Alice's Restaurant Massacre 18-minute polka!!!

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MattK

Subject: blattyblatty

"an embarrasing display of a lardass wearing a circus outfit..."

I believe the same comment was heard at Serge's wedding.

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molly girl

I'll never tell what I "done with the gun"

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molly girl

Hello luka!!! I've been away on vacation and haven't gotten to leave you any messages. I hope everythings going ok for you. By the way, my son's name is John and he graduated high school this year. He listens to mainly the older music from my era; Jackson Browne, Crosby, Stills and Nash, The Who, Led Zepplin and so on. There's really not a lot out there to choose from in today's music... (my opinion anyway) Even the commercials on television play remakes of old songs for their jingles. Where have all the writers gone? Actually, there is some good music out there today if you know where to look. The point is, you shouldn't have to go looking for it. I realize that we are the minority and I should say that's a good thing. I do hope your having a good week. write back because I love to hear from you!!!!! Your friend, molly

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Bill

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bob wigo

Subject: David Bromberg --- Wilmington, Delaware

Ed Martin,

All you will need to locate David Bromberg is in the link posted above.

Good luck.

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Peter Viney

I do feel that Van’s sartorial lack is being overstated- the black suit and black hat look pretty good on stage nowadays and I purchased a matching black hat for my own use. And very good it looked until I lost it. A hat’s like an umbrella – if you don’t use them regularly you’re bound to leave them behind. I don’t think either of us would fit the maroon jumpsuit nowadays, but as the majority here say, so what? Van without a degree of grouchiness would be lacking – I saw him in Southampton about 20 years ago where he gave the entire performance sitting on a stool because he’d hurt his leg and told us so in no uncertain terms. He’s absolutely brilliant anyway. I’m glad to have pointed out that both Levon and Robbie agree. And a big voice does expand the stomach. Ask any breath control teacher. But that’s not my excuse.

Can the blue men sing the whites? As to having to be American to sing in a soulful style, then I guess Serge is excluding not only Van, but Richard Manuel, Rick Danko, Mick Jagger, Chris Farlowe, Bob Marley, Eric Burdon, Errol Brown and Steve Winwood to name a few great soulful singers who have held other passports. Quite a few of those are “Limeys” too (what a quaintly old-fashioned piece of rudeness that is). As far as rude epiphets go, I’m sure Van would think “Micks” more accurate, though ‘angry Brit’ is accurate in saying that he is British – in fact he now lives in Southern England, but having lived in Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, New York State and California he has covered all bases.

Give ‘It Once Was My Life’ another listen – I think it’s a great piece with a lot of musical humour. As well as bass guitar and double bass live.

Illka - but where is the audio file? Can't wait to hear it.

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Ed Martin

Subject: David Bromberg

Hi, Requesting David Bromberg info/contact. I'm not sure if I'm at the right website to ask this question, but it's the closest I know of at this point based on a yahoo search. I live in Delaware and a couple months ago the local paper ran an article about David Bromberg and his wife moving to Wilmington, Delaware. The article also mentioned David's violin collection. I would like to stay up-to-date regarding David's move here and eventually meet him. Does anyone have any suggestions how I might do this - his email address, etc. ? Thanks. Ed Martin

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Ilkka's Dog

Subject: "Discussions With Crabgrass Blues"

To gb newbies: Crabgrass (pseudonyme) is a gb regular 'par excellence'.

- For a blues band (for instance BARN BURNERS) and a classical choir (what would be greater than CHORO MADRIGALISTI DI MILANO).

You can love Tim Leary's ashes in the space,
(Choir: Turn on, turn off, drop out.)
You can love Robbie Robertson's pretty face,
(Choir: Ke sakihetin awasis. )
Anyway you choose
You're bound to lose
In "Discussions With Crabgrass Blues".

You can believe in The Holy Maries From The Sea,
(Choir: Footnote one, footnote one, footnote one.)
You can believe in The Dogs Who Run Free,
(Choir: Footnote two, footnote two, footnote two.)
Anyway you choose
You're bound to lose
In "Discussions With Crabgrass Blues".

You can cry for the help from the Pope,
(Choir: Spiritus Sanctus, Non Sola Remissio Peccatorum, Fides Caritate Formata.)
I'm sorry my friend if this is your last hope,
(Choir: Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Sola Fide.)
'Cause anyway you choose
You're bound to lose
In "Discussions With Crabgrass Blues".

You can move your lawn mover to the left,
(Choir: Oh baby, it feels so good.)
You can move your lawn mover to the right,
(Choir: Oh baby, it feels so good.)
But anyway you choose
You're bound to lose
In "Discussions With Crabgrass Blues".

Is it the moan of Britney Spears?
(Choir: Oooh Crabgrass oooh.)
Or is it Nikki Love you have in your ears?
(Choir: YES CRABRASS YES!)
I'm sorry to tell
Don't even try to spell
T-h-e C-r-a-b-g-r-a-s-s B-l-u-e-s.

Footnote 1: Les Saintes-Maries-De-La-Mer (In English: The Holy Maries From The Sea) is a village in South of France where Bob Dylan wrote "One More Cup Of Coffee".

Footnote 2: "If Dogs Run Free" is from Bob Dylan's album "New Morning".

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Amanda

Jenny T.: "Don't Ya Tell Henry" is one of my favorite songs too. Have you seen the video clip with Levon , from the Dylan A&E video biography, Bob Dylan: The American Troubador? If not...check it out...it is the very last clip under Video Clips. It is one of the best, true blue Levon film moments I have ever seen.

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Bruce from Boston

Subject: Garth and Polka music

Hey JTull Fan thanks for the Jimmy Sturr polka story about your dad, I always knew the Band had something to do with polka music, I just couldn't figure out what. For those of you interested there's a web site for this 12-time Grammy winner, new album with Arlo Guthrie.

http://www.jimmysturr.com

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John D

I have always enjoyed the music of Van Morrison. If there's anything negative it has been Van has had the reputation of having either a real off night or fabulous night in concert. Then again there's George Jones. There never seems to be an in-between. I don't care about the size of his girth. Has nothing to do with his talent. I've always felt he had real Irish Soul. When you listen back to "If I Ever Need Someone" or "Have I told You Lately That I Love You" which is a song to God and not a woman I'm told, it really moves me.

I know Rick Danko was attacked a few times in this guestbook for his size at the end of his life and the post earlier about Aretha makes a lot of sense. These are real human beings; who through age or whatever gain weight. So what? Get over it. Listen to the music. Did anyone see the movie, "Joe Black?" The medley of Somewhere Over The Rainbow and What A Wonderful World was sung by 400 pound plus, ISRAEL KAMAKAWIWO'OLE. One of the most beautiful voices next to Aaron Neville that I have ever heard. Enough about the weight and concentrate on the talent.

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David Powell

Subject: Richard Manuel / The Lovin' Spoonful

I had the pleasure of seeing Levon & Rick perform together in 1983 during their "living room" tour. The wonderful new Richard Manuel CD, "Whispering Pines", recalls that same intimacy of performance. Richard recorded live at the Getaway by Andy R. without any studio artiface. This CD manages to capture & distill all the exuberance of an amazing singer & performer. Whatever these live performances may lack in high tech gloss is more than made up in the emotional power conveyed by the beautiful voice of Richard Manuel.

Charlie Young: You may already be aware of this, but Buddah is releasing new remastered CD versions of the first two Lovin' Spoonful albums, "Do You Believe In Magic" and "Daydream". Better yet, Sundazed is issuing those same two albums on 180 gram vinyl!

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Bill

"With songs whose meaning was suggested rather than explicitly stated - as words were hidden lost in instrumental chords, and lost on a beat - the group achieved moods of mysterious terror on their first album ('Music from Big Pink') and an uncharted ramble through half of the states of America on their second ('The Band')."

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Nancy

Subject: Van

Van Morrison is a singer and songwriter, not a member of the Best Dressed List or a Good Will Ambassador. Like all the rest of us, he's allowed to make some less than perfect choices of clothing (although I think he looked fine at TLW), and he's allowed to be a grouch if that's the way he is. None of it stops his creativity.

Someone said here recently that he should know its time for him to retire, well, if you listen to the song "The Beauty of The Days Gone By" from his latest album, you'll notice that he does sing about growing old, and how his memories related to his music career are so special to him. Its a moving song.

Be brave, buy the album. We still have a quaint custom where I live: you can still have a new CD opened for a review listen before choosing whether to buy it. Apparently that's not the case elsewhere :(

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rosalind

Subject: blubber / radio / Robbie

I feel it's always been Outrageously Unfair to us white girls having to hold our weight at a certain level when the black ones can get away with 250 pounds and still have THEIR men consider THEM Sexy! Dammit! I think that our Black population have, for the most part, not been Hip-mo-tized by fashion Bullshit! But maybe their men really are better....and bigger.. Uh-Huh....

Jenny_ The DEVIL choose's them song lists! It's his job to make us as miserable as possible for as long as possible and he ain't gonna miss a lick! The last time I turned on a radio I sent it flyin' up against a wall!

Check out that "Look" on Robbie Kids! I don't know... Those hands up over his mouth and that curl down over his forehead always made me a little suspicious.....Nice tho!

I have been trying to figure out that old hymn buried in "Down The Road"...I can't catch it...it's flittering..flittering.

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ray pence

http://theband.hiof.no/articles/wg_pat_brennan.html

jenny t, you're more right than you probably want to be about watkins glen, see the above link for the rest of the iceberg...

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Ray Pence

Jenny T:

your question on why Ronstadt's not on "Classic Rock" radio is a good one. I think the answer's simple: because she's a woman! How often do you hear a woman's voice on these stations unless it's Grace Slick's or Ann Wilson's? How often do you hear a black voice unless it's Hendrix's?

But they never tire of playing the immortal strains of Journey and Styx, do they?

I think there's a lot of sexism and racism on these stations, and not just in the playlists. Listen to some of the "humor" that the deejays come up with between songs and you'll see what I mean. It seems like the Rush Limbaugh mentality that pervades talk radio is also there on the typical classic rock stations. For those of us who associate (most) rock and roll with progressive social ideas, this is pretty sad.

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Jenny T

Forgot to mention my husband picked up Live at Watkins Glen at the grocery the other day. It's amazing how close Back to Memphis sounds to the Moondog Matinee version. Didn't someone here say something about some tracks on Watkins Glen being real studio takes? It's nice to have another version of Don't Ya Tell Henry--I always liked that song.

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Jenny T

Well I am mystified that anyone could think Van is not a great singer, or that anyone could think his voice was affected.

I had that exact same thought about Aretha--no one would ever say "Aretha's great but what a whale." I don't know if it's because of her stature as an artist--maybe if you reach a certain level people give you a little more respect. Or maybe it's because she never traded too much on her sex appeal when she was young so as she ages no one is thinking well she used to come on like Marilyn Monroe but look at her now. Stevie and Linda did trade on it, though I think Linda's management might have pushed her a little.

They played her version of Livin in the USA or whatever that song is at the Fourth of July thing I went to--I know I have asked this before but why do you almost never hear her on the radio anymore? Who chooses the 10 or 12 classics played on the classic rock stations, and why are some formerly huge artists wholly absent from the list? I mean I have already exceeded the limit on how many times a person can hear Satisfaction without having a stroke, while a thousand great hits people would love to remember are just waiting to be played again.

I remember comedians making jokes at David Crosby's expense about how he could be a coke fiend and fat too. I would guess coke speeds up your metabolism and heroin slows it down, but maybe both suppress your appetite? Of course lots of people seem to booze it up too and that is very fattening.

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jh

Anyone got a track list for the new _Classic Masters_ compilation from RR?

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friendly brit

Subject: low and pet sounds

i was lucky enough to catch brian wilson on the recent tour. it was magic to hear pet sounds played live. i hope this trend continues. one thing though brian did introduce each pet sounds' song with a little anecdote. did bowie perform low without breaks? by the way, his new album heathen is fantastic. peace.

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friendly brit

Subject: van again

dear mr viney thanks to you and susan for DTR comments. im buying it today. i dont agree with healing game being the best post 90's album. it has an awful accappela thing towards the end called this was your life. it made me ill.i sold the album on impulse when hearing it. its my candidate for van's worst ever song.

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friendly brit

Subject: geography lesson

van was born in belfast. last i heard, belfast being in northern ireland, is very much part of the u.k. which makes van a brit and a limey as well as being irish. if he was born in wales, he would be welsh, a brit and a limey. get your bloody facts right. as for his weight, i wouldnt give a monkeys if he was like that bloke in the monty python film, the meaning of life. van still has the voice of an angel and he was still THE MAN in the last waltz.

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Peter Viney

See how you get distracted? Before I got into TLW and Van, I meant to mention two other things. First is the new trend for performing whole albums on stage in classical music style. Brian Wilson did it with “Pet Sounds” and David Bowie has just done it with “Low” (1976?) followed by the new one “Heathen” – both performed in the right running order. How many bands could do it with their major albums? And which albums?

Second is a comment on the Rolling Stones in today’s tabloid. It seems that today is the 40th anniversary of their first gig. An astute review mentioned the failure of all the attempts at solo success, that their albums sell comparatively poorly while their tours sell-out at once, and how they have deviated less from the original formula than any other long-time band. Then it suggests that their longetivity is due to the fact that for at least twenty years (since Some Girls) they have effectively been a tribute band to themselves. This wasn’t a criticism either.

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Peter Viney

Susan- interesting comments on Down the Road Again, in particular you say, “The Beauty of the Days Gone By is another. It combines music of the folk ballad and Protestant hymns with Van's eternal nostalgia, but does it beautifully.” Absolutely right- but it does actually have a hymn tune, doesn’t it? I’ve been trying to think which hymn it is for weeks.

I agree with Serge that Rick, Richard, Levon and Garth’s interpretations of Robbie’s songs at TLW were superb. Well, I’m compiling various comments on Van at TLW, so you may as well see some of them together.

“By now it was after midnight, and the crowd was subdued. The momentum of the show had been lost halfway through Joni’s set … this was Van’s first appearance on stage in more than two years - and The Last Waltz was suddenly revived with a spectacular version of ‘Caravan’. Van burned through his great song - ‘Turn it up! Little bit louder! Radio!’ - complete with kicksteps across the stage at the end. Van turned the whole thing around. God bless him for being the showman he is.”

Levon Helm, This Wheel’s On Fire, 1993

“All of a sudden, at the end, when Van starts kicking his leg up in the air, we were like, "What's happening here? This is the most wonderful out of control I've ever seen him.” And it was just magical, you know, just that whole song, and the performance of that. When we were finished playing that song, when I turned around, you know, to the other guys in the band, and I was like, "Okay," you know? We were just feeling so good at that moment.”

Robbie Robertson, VH-1 interview on the making of The Last Waltz.

McLaughlin What was your favorite performer in the show?

Robertson: Van Morrison was one of them. People know that Van and I are old friends and Bono said to me, “Yeah, you're probably his only friend.” (Laughs.) He's a little grouchy at times, but he's great. I love him as a person, I love him as a songwriter and he's just the BEST singer. I'd seen Van plenty of times and I'd never seen him carry on like that. He was kicking his legs like a rockette!

Robbie Robertson, interviewed by Dee McLaughlin, for Virgin Mega Mag, June 2002

When he went onstage, it was electric. It was one of the most magical performances I’ve ever seen him do. It was unbelievable. He went out there and really stormed the place. All the artists like Clapton, Dylan and Joni Mitchell were out there in a little area to the side and everybody came out to watch it and they couldn’t believe it. To a person, they all stood up and roared with the audience. And that’s where he’s at. When he’s onstage there’s no one to touch him. But off stage he’s unbearable.

Harvey Goldsmith, Interview with Johhny Rogan for ‘Van Morrison: A Portrait of the Artist’, 1984’

Van did ‘Caravan.’ He is the kind of performer that if you catch him on a good night, there is nobody like him. ‘Turn it up. Radio. Little bit louder. Turn it up.’The purest kind of performer in that with him you are always getting one of a kind. From him you never get the same painting twice. And he was on that night … I must say that Robbie and the Band were the greatest house band I ever heard. They backed everybody. They played with everybody and switched off on each others’ instruments and musically they were brilliant.

Bill Graham, Bill Graham Presents, 1992

Or you could take Serge’s opinion instead …

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Stone

Subject: Rick and Richard

Man what a bummer, I am so out of it and need to get back to paying attention to bands I like. I am bummed as I just saw on this site that Rick and Richard are deceased and I never knew it. See I got away from The Band for a while to listen to other types of music and study them for my musical growth. So it has been a long while. I recently got back into them and just yesterday bought the "Last Waltz" DVD. I am basically bummed because they were Brilliant musicians. Time to get back to what made me pick up the guitar in the first place. At least they will live on in the music. I always felt they were the best band out of Canada. Love and Respect to both Rick and Richard.

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Bayou Sam

Happy 62nd to the one and only Ringo!

I know this subject just went away, but I've been on the road for a few days and I'm catching up. Sept. 11th. John D touched on a true fact regarding the fact that this happened on American soil, and that's not something we're used to. It's still true though, that the further away from New York the less it seems to have impacted you. This may just be a perfectly logical thing. I don't know. I just get steamed when anybody even slightly scoffs at a person who still talks about it and feels patriotic about us hanging tough. If you've only seen the Twin Towers in photos - or maybe you saw them once from a distance, you'll probably never understand the feeling anymore than I can understand what it's like for a suicide bomber to walk into a busy street and blow themselves up (not yet anyway). I can't begin to describe how imense those towers were, and how un-fucking believable it is to look at that skyline and try to accept how they were taken down - and the canage that it caused. The fact that they just are not there anymore. I can't imagine crossing the Wnitestone Bridge in 2031 and not looking over and feeling a little sad.If the world is still here.

"The sun will never disappear, but the world may not have many years" - John Lennon

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Long Distance Operator

Stevie Nicks also blew out her nasal septum after ingesting massive quantities of cocaine. Ahh, the 70's! I heard you can buy Mick Taylor's septum on Ebay. I wonder if Neil Young has anything left of his? ;-)

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Charlie Young

Subject: The Weight

Jenny: I remember reading in ROLLING STONE years ago that Linda Ronstadt was once so dependent on cocaine that she had to have nasal surgery to replace part of that inner piece between her nostrils that the coke snorting had destroyed. Regarding her weight gain, Linda could certainly afford lyposuction and plastic surgery like Brian Wilson's daughter and Cher, but I guess she doesn't want to be just another mindless mannequin. I am a huge fan of her earliest work, starting with the Stone Poneys. Does anyone know any connections she had with The Band?

Speaking of Brian Wilson, I just watched the Entertainment Network Beach Boys' special, and--as expected--it focused on the tabloid aspects of that band's history. Brian's own weight and dope problems were discussed ad nauseum along with every other sad story in that group's history. They certainly had some parallels with The Band.

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rosalind

I buy cds and put my favorite pieces on a good quality cassette tape and sell the cd's back to the company I bought them from. My Van Morrison cassettes have ballads exclusively. He's one of the very few singers I can listen to sing a love song without my skin crawling! I love his haunting mystical quality. As for that "fingernails down a blackboard" scat singing he does, I'd much rather listen to Spike Jones!

I wonder if anyone ever went to see Aretha Franklin or Ella Fitzgerald and had nothing to say but "What a Lard Ass?"

I have been mourning the passing of John Frankenheimer. An artist true blue right up until the very end!

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Ray Pence

Also GREAT to see that Robbie's got a compilation coming out and a songbook...too bad it's not an all-new release, but I think he's done wonderful things with his solo work.

On Van the Man: who gives a rat's ass about his weight and wardrobe? of course 70s fashions look weird now, so what? You don't have to wait for today's styles to look ridiculous, they're already there!

Here's to the Van Morrisons, Stevie Nickses, Linda Ronstadts of the world who don't conform to the cookie cutter, poster child for starvation norm for celebrities! Down with Brad Pitt! Marlon Brando rules! Bring on the homely weirdos with rotten voices and brilliant worldviews like Randy Newman!

The only thing wrong with Van's last waltz performance was that it was over too soon!

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Van's Not The Man

Thank you Susan. Refreshing to see you actually listened to the album before commenting on it. I get a good sense of the collection from your post. I think I'll pick up a copy.

I couldn't help but notice you left out Vans weight statistics. Apparently this has direct baring on Mr. Morrisons performance level. And what about his "Blues rip-off" index for this outing. How would you rate him there ? I suppose you've checked his vitamin C intake for this CD as well?.....So much to keep tabs on.....

Serge, Not A Limey, Me Again, they say that, Haloperidol does wonders for that Tourettes.

I know, I know, I'll go away........

Peas n Carrots