The Band Guestbook, March 2002

Posted on Sun Mar 31 23:33:42 CEST 2002 from 0-1pool72-94.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.94)

Charlie Young

Leatherbound GB Limited Edition

I'm just glad I was one of the first 666 people to order the special signed, numbered, leatherbound edition of the two volume GB collection. The free "Ginsu" knife and the special photo portfolio by Eliott Landy, GIRLS OF THE GB, helped make the purchase well worth the month's salary that I had to pay. The best part is the actual signature of Jan Hoiberg, though it looks suspiciously like the penmanship of one J.R. Robertson...

Posted on Sun Mar 31 23:15:45 CEST 2002 from 2cust9.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.194.244.9)

Crabgrass

Bravo GB Publication!!

I view the recent hardback publication of The Band Guestbooks Vols. I & II as being equally significant as the publication of Gutenberg's Bible although potentially having a greater impact upon Mankind and predict that within this century a new universal worldwide philosophical & spiritual movement will have firmly taken root with the GB Books as it's backbone.

As a result, all music other than that which was recorded by The Band will be forbidden!!

"It's a comin', a brand new day." - Vive Les GB Books!!

-- Crabgrass [***** rating]

Posted on Sun Mar 31 22:20:07 CEST 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Ragtime

GB books

What do I think of The Band Guestbooks in print?

Well, dear Frogman ned,

It's one of these moments I'm proud to be Dutch... I think Norbert has done a great job in making them easily available to everyone who wants to know about, say - Bill Clinton's private affairs - "the" Robert E. Lee - Diamond Lil's birthday - Honky Tonk Gurus - September 11th - who sang Holy Cow - was Kermit the Frog really singing Book Faded Brown - HM the Queen Mum - the Nordic rock group The Jan... in short, it's a kaleidoscope of Modern History, a "Fundgrube" for all who want to know what's going on in Our Times & Beyond... I cherish my two copies which arrived this morning as an Easter surprise... and can't keep my blues eyes off the lemma 'Ragtime' on the index page... ;-)

Posted on Sun Mar 31 22:04:01 CEST 2002 from atpm3-5-89.enter.net (208.137.244.53)

Zeppe

GB Books

If I want to read the entire GB, I'll go through the archives on this site and not pay a dime.

Posted on Sun Mar 31 21:00:01 CEST 2002 from 156.piscataway-16rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.94.156)

ned

GB Books?

who gave who permission to print and distribute these books?

maybe I'm up on the wrong side of the bed today, but I have serious mixed feelings about this. what does everyone else think about the GB Books?

Posted on Sun Mar 31 20:33:54 CEST 2002 from 1cust194.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.194)

rollie

Band guestbooks in hardback

Wow! Just received my hardback editions of the definitive collection of the Band guestbook and must say,IMPRESSIVE! No Band junkie should be without these.From the inane to the insane, exciting viewpoints and wonderful insights abound, with the just the right dose of personality bashing and character assassination. And ocassionally, real bits of valuable information (but these don't interfere with the overall production!)that make this collection of anecdotes a rock'n'roll collectors dream come true! Great job Norbert!Two thumbs-up!

Posted on Sun Mar 31 20:03:29 CEST 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert

GB books.

Ok, not new for most GBrs, but for those who don't know yet ...... there is a site where you can get the complete GB in print (2 books).

So if you want to read your own posts on the toilet (btw, a good place to moderate the books), or wherever ......

just click on the web page above ......

Posted on Sun Mar 31 19:42:40 CEST 2002 from 0-1pool72-180.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.180)

Charlie Young

Cahoots and others...

I agree that CAHOOTS is under-rated. A friend who works for EMI once told me that his favorite album by The Band was the British vinyl release of that LP. It's not my favorite, but I still think that anything by the "original five" is better than about 95% of new releases in 2002.

Posted on Sun Mar 31 17:24:41 CEST 2002 from spider-mtc-th012.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.22)

butch

pix

SORRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the Band pictures are 8 x 10,,,,,,

so if ya are sending me an envelope,, TAKE NOTE of the size diff,,,,,

apologies for any extra purchases,,,

butch

Posted on Sun Mar 31 15:59:14 CEST 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

Southern Spring

The link above is a piece written by Bill Maxwell from The St. Petersburg Times. I thought some of you might enjoy it. One line reminds me of Levon...a quote from a writer named Blanche McCrary Boyd, "Southerners are like other people, only more so." BTW...Bayou Sam...I don't know what part of Florida you are heading for this week, but if you are anywhere near St. Petersburg...check it out...you won't be disappointed.

Happy Easter...Happy Spring...Enjoy the day! Especially you folks in NYC ;o)!!!!

Posted on Sun Mar 31 11:09:00 CEST 2002 from sdn-ar-014casfrmp172.dialsprint.net (158.252.218.174)

funkentelechy

cahoots

What's this talk about cahoots being a lesser effort? I've always dug Cahoots. Yeah Shootout in Chinatown is a laundry list of stereotypes(and yen is japanese money,not chinese) but otherwise it,s a fine album.Garth's playing is glorious throughout,his sound is richer and more developed than on previous works. Someone says the accordian on Paint My Masterpiece is cliched?If you listen to it as an effect maybe it seems that way,alot of people hate accordians ,but listen to the way he plays,the interplay with the mandolin is delightful. The albums harmonic concepts are more sophisticated,and the ensemble work is more mature.The jam with Van is a gas. yeah it's all cliches too but, as such, pretty true to- life broke musicians on the road with nothing to do after the gig-playing poker w/loads of corny braggadocio.Life is a Carnival is great! I was on the road in America in the early seventies,and experienced this whole album as truly evocative,of the bustling crazy sad mixed up variety of life in that time.The critiques I've read seemed to be too literary ,comments by those that found the earlier work so fresh and unexpected that they actually listened.But when Cahoots came along the sound and feel were familiar,not excitingly novel.Hence the lukewarm response.a similar thing happens to cartoon artists. Yes it's a travelogue ,but not one for tourists,these guys were living on the road for years the seedy underside and dissapointment of America are well known to them When I found out Robertson is Indian my intuition was that that's why he can tell these stories of what has happened on this land.An odd juxtaposition for me w/ his cooments way back theresomewhere about being influenced by Bunuel

Posted on Sun Mar 31 11:04:28 CEST 2002 from cranberry.cache.fi.jippii.net (195.197.160.12)

Kalervo

KIITOS NORBERT AND LILIANA

Norbert: Thank you so much...Encouragements are always welcome! No I won' t let them down...

Liliana: It is really mystery to me, too that Native music is so poorly featured in America,or even here where people tend to find some fault in Robbie more than to turn to the musical world Robbies has opened.

Spotted Eagle, WOR, Joanne Shennadoh, John Trudel, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Indigenious, Walela, Ulali etc...The musical richness of Native people is endless. And music is so often spiritual and from the heart unlike the most of 'white' music.This makes most of Native music timeless....

Posted on Sun Mar 31 07:46:51 CEST 2002 from spider-mtc-te031.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.161)

Ben Pike

If you go to the record shows where dealers trade in bootleg rock videos, there is a tape of the Band's TV stuff that has the SNL shows, it's pretty easy to find. I am trying to resolve wheather they appeared on a local rock show in Cleveland, some indications are that they did.

Posted on Sun Mar 31 05:35:53 CEST 2002 from dialin-161-7.vancouver.primus.ca (209.90.161.7)

Liliana Feldman

I think that the Band and generally speaking the native music do not enjoy the recognition they deserve. The history will do them justice sooner or later

Posted on Sat Mar 30 22:39:17 CET 2002 from du-tele3-153.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.153)

Peter Viney

I'll add my thoughts to John Donabie's. The Queen Mother stayed in London through the WW2 bombing - everyone expected her to move to Canada - and she identified with the people. 101 is a good innings, and may she rest in peace.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 21:54:09 CET 2002 from adsl-61-134-134.rdu.bellsouth.net (208.61.134.134)

Bones

Bumbles: Thanks for answering my Gene Clark/Danko question.

I have seen the cover of the new Last Waltz box set, and it looks great! Unlike the DVD cover, the cd box set has stayed true to its original form. Very classy.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 21:00:15 CET 2002 from spider-wi014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.24)

butch

free band pix

i found some black & white promo pix of The Band ( 90's ) ,,

they were taken @ OPUS 40

if ya want one,, ( they are UNSIGNED )e-mail me,, & ill send ya my PObox,,

& you can send a stamped addressed large envelope,,, free to the 1st takers,,,,,,

Posted on Sat Mar 30 20:44:26 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

The Queen Mother

In all the fuss and negative stories of The Royal Family over the last few years.....the bright star has always been The Queen Mother, Queen Elizabeth II Mother.

She passed away about 4 hours ago at the age of 101. She had a great deal of class and was loved by all including many non- monarchists. She once said, "My Heart is in Canada" after her visits here. God Bless The Queen.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 20:39:05 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

Hank's gig tonight

Twenty-five + years ago when I was in journalism school at Columbia I lived on the second floor of the building directly across the street from Cannon's bar. I could watch all the goings on from my bed, actually. No live entertainment in those days that I recall, surely not as interesting as Hank's band anyway. My regards to the old neighborhood, those of you who go tonight.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 20:23:32 CET 2002 from 3cust193.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.93.193)

Hank Wedel on Broadway!

Hank's scheduled to play at 10 p.m.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 20:18:57 CET 2002 from 3cust193.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.93.193)

Crabgrass

Hank Wedel on Broadway!! / Band on SNL

Good news - Hank Wedel's doing one more solo gig tonight at Cannon's (an Irish bar on Broadway at West 108th St.) before flying back to Cork on Sunday. Coincidentally, (with a recent GB thread) Hank opened with a beautiful Gene Clark song called "Life's Greatest Fool" at his gig the other night at Arlene's.

One-hour versions of the early (and only good) SNL shows were broadcast here in a dinnertime slot around 15 years ago as I recall and unfortunately had the musical guests edited out. I doubt if the shows have been re-edited to include them.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 20:04:26 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert

Kalervo's posts

Hey Kalervo!
Just re-read your posts..... they're sincere.
Don't let them ever take you down!

Posted on Sat Mar 30 20:01:43 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-td073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.183)

LG

Shake A Hand

I always thought Amy Helm had a great spirit when she performed Shake A Hand. Butch asked about other artists performing the song... Ike & Tina Turner do a great version. Got a hunch Levon would approve of Ike & Tina Turner. When Levon was playing shows for the Segal film, Fire Down Below, he did a great duet on a fine song called A Fool In Love. Track down Ike & Tina on A Fool In Love as its hot stuff.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 18:42:01 CET 2002 from spider-we043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.38)

Bumbles

Re: Gene Clark, Gypsy Angel

BONES: Gene Clark’s “Gypsy Angel” is a collection of demos so bare-boned & unadorned it makes “Nebraska” seem like “Pet Sounds.” With the exception of an unidentified slide guitar player on one track, no musicians other than Gene Clark appear. However, a forthcoming collection of previously unreleased Gene Clark performances, “Under the Silvery Moon,” does list Rick Danko among the personnel. Originally scheduled for release last September, it has been rescheduled several times and remains unreleased at this time.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 18:00:16 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

TLW

I wanted to clarify....in my last post, I was refering to the new TLW trailer.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 17:54:30 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

TLW/Neil Young

I found this clip of Neil Young performing "Helpless" with The Band. The clip may already be on this site, I didn't check. There is just a glimpse of Garth and Levon on TLW trailer, but the voice and organ are clear and true.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 16:51:40 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Charlie Young: Thanks for the correction on movie titles. Doesn't Forbidden Planet get a mention in The Rocky Horror Picture Show, rhyming as it does with Brad and Janet? I'll be Leslie Nielson would've been great in that one.

Speaking of TRHPS, and noting Brown Eyed Girl's previously expressed musical interests, I believe that Tim Curry recorded an LP at the Nimbus studio in Toronto before his movie career took off in a big way. I seem to recall a Rough Trade connection and also that either - or both - Steve Hunter and Richard Wagner played guitar on it.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 16:39:46 CET 2002 from spider-tf071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.206)

butch

tribeca,,,,,NOT !

FYI -------------------

there is a show being advertised in NYC @ Tribeca Blues,,,,

they advertise Levon ,,,& Jim Weiders GURU's,,,,,,,,

DO NOT GO ON THIS ACCOUNT !!!!

Levon is NOT playing there,, & Neither are the GURUS,,,

sleezy promotor trick,,,,advertise an artist & then back them into a corner & intimidate them into playing,,,,

not gonna work with levon, rando or weider,,,

so if ya go, go for the other acts,, NOT LEVON or the GURUS !!!!!!!!!

just a FYI !!!!!!!!!

Posted on Sat Mar 30 16:34:33 CET 2002 from du-tele3-056.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.56)

Peter Viney

TLW- British release?

Most prominent Band advert I’ve seen in years – the whole back cover of this month’s Record Collector (April 02), in colour, announced as “Coming Soon” which answers the question about UK release, then. And it says “The Band” above ‘The Last Waltz” and the picture is the sameblack & gold silhouette as the vinyl album of old – not the guitar one seen elsewhere. Either the advertiser doesn’t have the new cover art, they’ve reverted to the old art, or the British one will be different (which would be unprecedented with a box set).The background to the page is a bleached out Brown album front cover shot, which has been squeezed on both sides. Nothing to complain about here. Those touchy conspiracy theorists who still want to grumble will note that the placing of the lettering almost entirely obscures Levon, but not the other four.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 16:05:28 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-ti011.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.151)

JTull Fan

Porn names and Jessica

'Jessica': 'Head-Job'? Is that what my 2 cats give me in the morning when they bump their foreheads into mine to wake me up? On Porn names, how about "Little Milton", as he was a subject of a thread not to long ago out here. Then again, probably would not get much work that way!

Posted on Sat Mar 30 15:56:17 CET 2002 from 0-1pool34-16.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.34.16)

Jenny T

Barnburners

We just noticed that Levon and the Barnburners are coming to Newport, Kentucky April 9, which is just across the river from Cincy so we are going! I haven't seen Levon since a 1985 or 86 Band concert at the Channel in Boston. Can't wait to hear what the Barnburners sound like.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 15:12:12 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-81-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.81)

Diamond Lil

To set things straight

I'm posting this here in response to the e-mails I've gotten from some of you folks about the crude post yesterday by someone named "Jessica". The poster was _NOT_ my daughter. It seems that people like to jump to very misinformed conclusions. The fact that _my_ Jessica seems to be the only one of that name who sometimes posts here, does _not_ make a cut and dried conclusion. My daughter is _12_ for chrissake... and probably has more class than whoever did that post (and frankly wouldn't even understand it if she read it). I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks.

Wishing everyone who celebrates .. a nice Easter tomorrow. I hope the kids save some chocolate for me :-)

Posted on Sat Mar 30 11:50:34 CET 2002 from du-tele3-163.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.163)

Peter Viney

pseudonyms

I agree that the Jerry Garcia Band made a better job of Dylan and Band covers than the Dead.

Fed up of trying to figure out who’s who. So here’s your way to work out your pseudonym as a novelist. Take your mother’s maiden name as your first name. Your last name should be the town closest to 10 kilometres east of your birthplace. Then assign a number value (1-26) to your central initial. Divide by 2. Multiply by 3. subtract 7. That’s the first letter of your new middle name. If less than 1 or more than 26, you have no middle initial. If of Polish origin insert several times, z or y. Put accents on all e’s (French style), o’s (Scandinavian style on odd numbered days, German style on even numbered days) and double all ‘l’s. Oh, then don’t show us the result or your secret will be out. No point in a pseudonym if we can guess who you are from your web details.

Posted on Sat Mar 30 11:13:20 CET 2002 from coretel-184-036.charm.net (162.33.184.36)

Fat Fingers Hopkins

Postcards of the Hanging

not bad... could be Lightnin's less adept cousin

Furry Chelsea... also not bad, if I was a girl

On Postcards, while I admit to being a deadhead, I agree with Viney that most of their Dylan covers are awful, especially those sung by Weir. On the other hand, I've always thought someone should compile an album of Jerry Garcia Band Dylan covers - he did great versions of so many (Senor, Tough Mama, Going Going Gone, Tangled, Simple Twist, Forever Young, Heaven's Door, Wicked Messenger, I Shall Be Released, Tears of Rage, Takes a Lot To Laugh...). He also did a lot of the same folky songs that Dylan does, such as Jack-a-Roe, Peggy-o, Babe It Ain't No Lie (Dylan's live version of Peggy-o is definitely influenced by Garcia's version that he played regularly from about '73 on).

Posted on Sat Mar 30 06:07:40 CET 2002 from (144.138.164.117)

jessica

you owe me....

Mr. Robbie Robinson...ohhh, you are a naughty boy!!! You owe me money for the head-job i gave you backstage at your last gig. It was $50.00 if i can remember correctly...you know where to find me big boy... lots of love J xxx

Posted on Sat Mar 30 02:59:41 CET 2002 from adsl-61-133-148.rdu.bellsouth.net (208.61.133.148)

Bones

Gene Clark

There is a new Gene Clark cd called (I think) Gypsy Angel, and it includes a bunch of 80s demos. My question is this....Is Rick Danko on this cd? I know Rick spent a lot of time with Gene during this period. Anybody have that cd?

Posted on Sat Mar 30 02:19:17 CET 2002 from 0-3pool47-9.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.47.9)

Jenny T

I'm an Adult Now

Brown Eyed Girl: You are a fountain of info--all I can remember is hearing that song on WFNX in Boston and dying laughing. I had forgotten the part you mentioned--that is probably the funniest part. I remember something about not being able to die in an alley like some high school boy anymore, like that's one of the disadvantages of growing up!

Posted on Sat Mar 30 01:55:38 CET 2002 from 0-3pool47-9.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.47.9)

Jenny T

Dancing

Dave the Phone Guy: Don't feel bad--my husband does what is usually called the White Man's Overbite. I do what my friends call the Lippezaner (my own invention) mixed with an 80s Belinda Carlisle-esque thing. If you do it with total abandon it's very impressive.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 22:36:37 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp1737.dialsprint.net (63.187.14.213)

rollie

rock & politics(nice anecdote from Rolling Stone,69)

Those who are tired of political posts(and those who aren't) in the GB should get a good chuckle out of this story, taken from a special report on the Woodstock Arts Festival."The Who went on stage after road managerJohn Wolff, taking no chances,collected $11,200 for their upcoming performance. In the midst of their set,Yippie leader Abbie Hoffman leaped onto stage, grabbed a microphone, and announced that the festival was meaningless as long as White Panther Party leader and ex-MC-5 manager John Sinclair was rotting in prison, serving nine and a half years for his third holding bust.Peter Townshend then clubbed Hoffman off the stage with his guitar. That's the relationship of rock to politics."

Posted on Fri Mar 29 22:34:15 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

my xxx alias

Following Pat's formula, my a/k/a would be Robert Wildwood. I guess the appropriate blues moniker would be Big Robert Wildwood or perhaps Robert Jr. Wildwood.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 21:55:35 CET 2002 from spider-tm034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.59)

Calvin

Band Dance Songs

Levon has been quoted as saying he always though Rag Mama Rag was a great song to dance to. Maybe you could do the COsby shuffle to that Dave.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 21:25:55 CET 2002 from du-tele3-063.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.63)

Peter Viney

Largo

Garth, Taj & Joan Osborne? Must have been the Largo band supporting the CD release. But when was this show? I think it was mentioned here.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 21:15:15 CET 2002 from pool-141-153-198-177.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.198.177)

Bumbles

SNL/Central Park '71

I remember the Band’s pre-LW appearance on Saturday Night Live and see it mentioned in the GB often. What I’ve never seen mentioned and only vaguely remember is a later show hosted (I think) by Gary Busey around the time of his Buddy Holly movie. He apparently had Don Johnson-like musical aspirations and did a couple of songs backed by, among others, Rick Danko and Paul Butterfield. Possibly Richard Manuel. I seem to remember Rick playing fiddle during the close-of-show jam. Does anyone remember that show or have more details?

The latest issue of ICE reports on a bootleg CD release of the Band’s June 1971 show at Central Park’s Wollman Rink. No details other than that the source is a “juicy” audience tape, although I imagine the set list tracks with that of the 1 ½-lp set listed in this site’s discography.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 20:33:25 CET 2002 from dialup-63.215.112.237.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.112.237)

Pat Brennan

SNL

Oct 30, 1976; Buck Henry as host; Chevy Chase's last show. Beware, as the one hour shows edited the performance to Carnival and an abbreviated Dixie. Stage Fright and Georgia didn't make the cut.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 20:15:13 CET 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

The Band on Saturday Night Live, Maybe

It's possible that those of us in the US may be able to finally see The Band performances from Saturday Night Live, October 1976. The research talents of Laura P have discovered that E is going to be showing what they term Classic SNL shows, or at least an hour from them, every weekday at 6 pm Central, 7pm Eastern time. There's a link to the very inadequate program listing above. The program listing shows only the principal guest, not the musical guest, and these are going to be cut, but it's possible that we might get to see and tape these performances. Below is a link to a list of all the SNL shows and their musical guests.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideServlet/showid-365/

Posted on Fri Mar 29 18:27:08 CET 2002 from 56k-la-01-39.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.102)

Dave the Phone Guy

Danceable music

Jenny T,

Up-Tempo, Danceable music by The Band. Uh, maybe Look Out Cleveland, Strawberry Wine, or Jemima Surrender. No party would be complete without some Delbert McClinton. Check out Norton Buffalo's latest "King of the Highway". There's a lot of up-tempo boogie on that album. How 'bout "Great Balls Of Fire" by Jerry Lee Lewis?

You wouldn't want to see me dance.My style is close to Bill Cosby's.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 18:02:09 CET 2002 from cache-gat-hsi.cableinet.co.uk (62.31.144.1)

Water of Tyne

Last Waltz Trailers

Hi everyone

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but the TLW trailers have now been added to the Audo/Viual page on MGM's TLW mini-site...

http://www.mgm.com/lastwaltz/features.html

Posted on Fri Mar 29 17:16:26 CET 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Ray "Skinny Dog"

Hello Paul "Skiny Back "Godfrey

Hey Paul,

Cool web site, resume was impressive too! Hope you and everyone else had some fun with the BNC!

Posted on Fri Mar 29 17:07:26 CET 2002 from citrix4.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.6)

John Cass

Garth

I remember a few years back watching either Letterman or Leno and the musical guest was Taj Mahal and Joan Osborne and as I was watching it I noticed Garth was in the back up band playin the accordian. Garth must of been in that tourning band that year... anyone know anything about that group???? and was it a one time thing???

I just booked a room for 6-15-02 Sackets Harbor.. Jim Weider & Gurus, Levon Helm & Barnburners... will there be a Garth sighting??????

great party music of course the Band...Little Feat... early Joe Cocker.....Canned Heat... and throw in some Rolling Stones hit shuffle on CD player should keep the crowd grovin..

Posted on Fri Mar 29 16:58:42 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp68643.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.186.8)

brown eyed girl

SEX AND FOOD AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

I'M AN ADULT NOW....Toronto's Moe Berg playing guitar and singing....from Love Junk....song can also be found on SEX AND FOOD: THE BEST OF THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS (1986-1997)....TODD RUNDGREN was one of the producers....He also played guitar and produced other recordings of this band...."Well I don't hate my parents..I don't get drunk just to spite them...I got my own reasons to drink now...I think I'll call my dad up....and invite him...

Posted on Fri Mar 29 16:26:18 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-113.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.113)

MattK

Shake A Hand & Joe Moris

"Shake A Hand" was written by Joe Morris, and it is his original version, sung by his featured singer Faye Adams, that remains the definitive version of this song.

Morris broke in as a trumpet player, writer/arranger for Lionel Hampton. After leaving Hamp, he formed his own R/B outfit, initially functioning as a studio outfit for Atlantic Records. In 1950, Morris' band backed Little Laurie Tate in recording the classic "Anytime, Anyplace, Anywhere," one of the top-selling R/B records of 1950.

Tate left Morris in 1952 and was replaced by Faye Adams, who scored HUGE hits with "Shake A Hand" and "I'll Be True" both written by Morris. Adams left Morris in 1954 and was a big draw at various showcases (Alan Freed, etc) over the next three years and scored a hit with "Keeper of My Heart" in 1957.

Amazingly, between 1950 and 1952, Morris' band also featured a stunning series of young male vocalists, including Billy Mitchell, Doctor Willie Jones, Ray Charles and Lowell Fulson. Essentially, Morris' band served as a touring/training ground for artists Atlantic Records was developing in the early 50s.

As for "Shake A Hand," it's been widely covered - Johnny Ray and Elvis both enjoyed success with the song. As far as blues and R/B artists - Ruth Brown, LaVerne Baker, Jackie Wilson, Magic Sam, Johnny Otis, Little Richard and Ike & Tina all did versions that I'm familiar with.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 15:55:46 CET 2002 from 0-1pool33-120.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.33.120)

Jenny T

Music to Have a Midlife Crisis To

My husband wants to have a party for my fortieth this July, and I am thinking of a rock and roll bash and am trying to figure out the music. I think ROA's "I Don't Want to Hang up My Rock and Roll Shoes" would be perfect. What are other good songs, preferably danceable?

I know one song never to play when you are in this reexamining your life mode, and that is Tom Waits' "Martha": Those were the days of roses, poetry and prose, and Martha all I had was you and all you had was me. There was no tomorrows. We packed away our sorrows and saved them for a rainy day....We were all so young and foolish, now we are mature. But I love the first song on that album (Closing Time) which is Ol' 55, which I knew by the Eagles first (from On the Border).

Remember that hilarious song "I'm an Adult Now"--I think it was the Dead Milkmen? "I can't take too much guitars screaming and screaming..."

Posted on Fri Mar 29 15:37:16 CET 2002 from 0-1pool33-120.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.33.120)

Jenny T

Garth

Well my first pet's name was Touche (I still can't make accents aigus or otherwise) which is a good name, though she was named after the cartoon swords-turtle. Maybe if you add an extra e to the end of Central to make it sound more Francaise and it means touched in the center--that's pretty good. Happy 69 is better, though, Lil.

Speaking of Garth I saw a concert with him in the summer of 83 or 84 at a guitar store in Santa Monica where he played with a BUNCH of other people, none of them from the Band. This may get me in trouble here, but I can't really remember who the other people were or what the music was. I went with my Mom and I remember she really liked it. Does anyone else here have a clue as to what Garth would have been doing then?

Posted on Fri Mar 29 12:05:04 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-225-static.surferz.net (64.80.53.225)

Diamond Lil

Yikes!

Ok..don't anybody laugh at me. Promise? I was going to respectfully abstain from telling you what my porno name would be because my very first address was a numbered street.. but now after reading that it's not your middle name you use..but your first pets name.. I just can't resist. So um... I'd be "Happy 69" :-)

Dave Z: To answer your question, Maud's middle initial is "M".. which would make her blues name "Jailhouse Gumbo Rivers".

Anyone going to try and make Garth's show at Joyous Lake on April 20th? I'm determined to get to this one come hell or high water. Let me know. Thanks.

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 11:44:03 CET 2002 from i249-009.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.249.9)

Nancy (aka Peg Leg Killer Mc Gee)

I also heard that porn star names should be a combination of first pet name followed by first street name. While mine is so boring I won't bother you with telling it, I heard of someone who's porn name turned out to be "Thumper Moore"...... appropriate I thought!!!

Posted on Fri Mar 29 11:11:13 CET 2002 from stkn-pm4-137.california.net (66.52.87.137)

Ugly Dog Franklin

Porno name correction

Sorry to differ with you, Pat, but the correct way to determine ones porno name is to take the very first PET you ever owned and combine that with the name of the street you grew up on. It comes out much better. I'm Caeser Tacora, almost as good as my blues name.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 08:34:55 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp2000.dialsprint.net (63.187.15.222)

rollie

The Band on film................

On the "Authorized Biography of The Band" , there are clips taken from The Bands first appearance at Winterland. Does that performance exist on film in its entirety? Is it floating around in the ether? By the way,speaking of ether, I've rediscovered cough syrup with codeine. Life is really good right now! They're starting to get suspicious down at the local Mormon drugstore however!

Posted on Fri Mar 29 05:44:44 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tg044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.169)

Bayou Sam

Bill - the Ringo album you're thinking of is called "Goodnight Vienna". Lennon and Dr. John are on this album. If I remember correctly - there is a scene in the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" where there is something uttered by the robot which includes the word "klattu", which fueled the rumors that Klattu was actually the Beatles re-united under a different name.

Paul McCartney does a kick-ass cover of "Shake A Hand" on his "Run Devil Run" CD of a couple years ago. It's one of the best screaming vocals he's done this side of "Oh Darling".

Posted on Fri Mar 29 05:18:58 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

WHITEY GLAN

Let's also remember that Whitey from the drummer for The Mandala and who can forget him as Bette Midler's drummer in the movie "The Rose." I M.C'd Lou's show at Massey Hall years ago. I sure wish he would come back to Toronto. I saw him a few years ago in NYC reading his lyrics & poetry at a library. It was great.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 05:15:54 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

FORT WILLIAM

Home of Bobby Curtola!

Posted on Fri Mar 29 05:03:07 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp69451.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.189.54)

brown eyed girl

CANADIAN MUSICIANS/ LOUUUUU/ DELTA GAL/ BWNWITENN

BILL MUNSON: So Pentii Glan's real name is WHITEY, huh? I met him at the Pearcy House when I saw Rick and Levon in the eighties.....Don't forget he was also the drummer on LOUUUUUU'S ROCK AND ROLL ANIMAL with another Toronto musician.....Prakash John on bass.....of course.....there was Steve Hunter on guitar.....;-D......

More Louuuuu connections with The Band......performed with GARTH HUDSON at the the Doc Pomus Tribute.....wrote a song with ERIC ANDERSON......YOU CAN'T RELIVE THE PAST.....and both of them shared their poetry at a Festival in Italy......and of course......Louuuuu performed at Bob Fest.......and his bass player Fernando Saunders played with Garth and Marianne Faithfull......on and on and on...........

Sorry I'll miss the ALEC FRASER BENEFIT on Saturday.......Paul James......Jeff Healey......Jack DeKeyzer......but I'll be in the Big Apple.....last time it was the Gurus and Indigo.....I can't believe I will miss Hank playing by......one day!.....BTW Bill....the group I couldn't remember was.....Major Hoople's Boarding House.....

LOUUUUUUUISA HIGHWAY 61.......VERY COOL NAME!

BWNWITENN.....come out, come out.....where ever you are.....you know you're one of the very few people who was able to read between my lucid.....lingering.....lines......;-D

Posted on Fri Mar 29 04:02:15 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-180.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.180)

Charlie Young

Robbies (Robertson and the Robot) and MORE

Hey Bill, you can click the link above for the Internet Movie Database entry for the classic science fiction film, FORBIDDEN PLANET, starring the great Leslie Nielson in a serious role and featuring Robbie the Robot. There's even a shot of the DVD cover with Robbie carrying starlet Nicky Love (OK, I'm just joking about the starlet's name!). You can even click on the poster image to view it larger.

David Powell: that was an interesting tidbit about Cassandra Wilson being a former segment producer for the CBS SUNDAY MORNING program. They had a string of interesting music features a couple of years back, with stories about CSNY, Janis Ian and others that were very well done. I knew nothing about the Robbie one though. Does anyone have that on video? I have lots of videos and CD-R stuff I could copy for a trade.

I saw the Letterman show with Eric Burdon sitting in with Paul Shaffer and band. He sounded fine and I was wondering if he was remembering the days of his youth in that same building when the Animals played the ED SULLIVAN SHOW.

I have that Paul Shaffer CD that someone mentioned with the version of "Chest Fever." It's not bad, but it's been years since I listened to it.

While on business in Pennsylvania last week, I hit a store called Plastic Fantastic and found used copies of the second Danko, Fjeld, Anderson CD (complete with a thank you to Jan Hoiberg) and the Prof. Louie and the Crowmatix disc called "Over the Edge." Garth shines through on both recordings and the over eleven minute version of "Scarlet Begonias" was worth the price of the Crowmatix disc by itself.

I wish I could make the Garth gig with those guys at the Point in Pennsylvania, but the date doesn't work for me. I saw Jesse Colin Young and his son play there last year and it is a great, intimate venue.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 02:29:47 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Louisa Highway 61

Shake a Hand

I always thought Elvis recorded "Shake A Hand" written by Faye Adams. I believe Bob Dylan performed "Shake a Hand" on his tour with Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers in the 80s, but I don't think he has recorded it. Are there two different songs?

Posted on Fri Mar 29 02:24:27 CET 2002 from sqd104.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.162.4)

Hollerin' Liver

THIS & THAT

In case anyone wants to "hear" John Hiatt's views on covers, check out the archives at the link above (hope it works). there is also an interview with Eric Anderson..he mentions working with Rick Danko..check it out

If I may be permitted to nitpick: when Paul Shaffer left for Toronto it was still Fort William, not Thunder Bay. Thunder Bay didn't become Thunder Bay until 1970 when the cities of Port Arthur and Fort William amalgamated (OUCH that sounds painful!!), subsequently the voters chose the name Thunder Bay..the other options were Lakehead City and The Lakehead (if memory serves)..why do I know this stuff..Fort William is where I was born (I still put Fort William as Birthplace when I fill out official forms...just to piss civil servants off!) and before we moved in 1972 we lived across the street from the Shaffers..although I never met Paul...maybe I did but I was too young and it just didn't register, but I do remember their dog, though

Posted on Fri Mar 29 02:05:37 CET 2002 from 1cust247.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.247)

boney dog thompkins

shake-a -hand

I believe elvis recorded this tune. Lyrics by............ Shake a Hand (words & music by Joe Morris)

Posted on Fri Mar 29 02:04:21 CET 2002 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

Blooz naim eh?

HELLO RAY OR SKINNY DOG JONES!

An amazing coincidence...my blues name would be SKINNY BACK JONES. In the early 70's Ronnie Hawkins coined me the "Skinny Kid from Peterborough". Funny I have used SKINNY in the Chat Room. A look at my web site would guarantee that I am not the Skinny Kid Anymore! Keep Hoppin' & Happy Easter Weekend everybody.

shineonpaulg

Posted on Fri Mar 29 01:57:07 CET 2002 from m124-132.on.tac.net (209.202.124.132)

Bill

O$R/B8S: You mention UFOs. A Band connection would be that Robbie Robertson was strongly influenced by the movie with Robbie the Robot - where he got the name of one of his early groups, Robbie and the Robots.

Was it "The Day the Earth Stood Still"? Or was TDTESS the movie that inspired the cover of Ringo's Band-related LP - and also Klaatu, of "Calling Occupants" fame, its group name. A Bandish connection there, aside from Toronto, would be Whitey Glan's uncredited appearance on drums on the first LP.

Posted on Fri Mar 29 01:24:05 CET 2002 from spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72)

butch

shake - a - hand

sang my all time favorite song called "Shake A Hand"

\Does anyone know if any other Blues artist who may have sang and recorded this song?

Jimmy Vivino was doing a session @ Levon's studio,,,,with Johnnie Johnson & Levon,,, & they recorded that song,,,,& then jimmy overdubbed some incredible harmonies from Rick Danko,,, Rick put two vocal lines behind jimmy v's,,,,

& then, being the brilliant music machine that he is,, Jimmy got Garth to put some organ on too, as well as some sax,,,,,,,

add weider's telecaster, & ya have a damn good version of that damn good song,,,,,

Posted on Fri Mar 29 01:03:54 CET 2002 from 56k-la-02-39.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.150)

Old Money Rivers or Bruce 8th Street

There is no old money 'round here

I used to dislike my middle name but now it's cool.

Eric Burdon was recently interviewed on late night radio by Art Bell. Seems he's quite interested in the UFO phenom.

Oh no!I shouldn't have mentioned that 3 letter word.(We'll never get back on topic)

Posted on Fri Mar 29 00:13:03 CET 2002 from adsl-61-132-170.rdu.bellsouth.net (208.61.132.170)

Bones

Robbie Robertson has signed a new band for Dreamworks. Their name is "eastmountainsouth", and they played at the SXSW festival that Robbie attended. They were signed last December

Crabby will be pleased to know that Nicky Love's project is back in business. There is a tentative release date set for August 2002 in the US. I believe it is already out in Australia and some other countries.

Thanks for the link to the 2002 picture of Robbie and Dylan at Elton's big Oscar party. I would love to be a fly on the wall eavesdropping on that conversation.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 23:48:24 CET 2002 from m124-132.on.tac.net (209.202.124.132)

Bill

Following up on John D's post, I believe that the guitarist in the backing band for the Toronto production of Godspell, which was led by Paul Shaffer, was Gene Martynec, who produced the first dozen Bruce Cockburn LPs.

Speaking of Cockburn, I attended a fabulous CD release concert by his stablemate, Stephen Fearing, last week. Fearing is one of the three principals in Blackie and the Rodeo Kings, Band-chum Colin Linden being one of the other two. And of course Richard Bell generally plays with them too, and also plays on Fearing's new CD. I forget the title at the moment, but Fearing explained how he was going to call it "On The Great Divide" both because that's one of the songs titles and because it has, in his words, "a bit of a Band feel to it". But then he read that Willie Nelson was about to release a CD by the same title ....

For those of you who are unfamiliar with them, Blackie and the Rodeo Kings were originally thrown together by Colin Linden to do a tribute CD to the great singer-songwriter Willie P Bennett, and were named after one of Willie P's songs, but were so successful that they took on a life of their own. I'm sure Willie P's pleased with all of this extra attention, but has chosen to continue to play mandolin and harmonica for the wonderful Fred Eaglesmith rather than step back into the limelight on his own. Nice to see someone who at least knows what he doesn't want!

Posted on Thu Mar 28 23:17:10 CET 2002 from spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.56)

Harry & Mim

the Point, Bryn Mawr, PA & Werewolves of Bryn Mawr

To the fine fella from JMB Direct, we got you beat, buddy.

Little sis lives two doors down from the fabled Point (formerly the Main Point, site of many fine concerts by blues, folk and "folk rock" artistes such as Jackson Browne,Bonnie Raitt, James Taylor, "Brooooce" Springsteen and many others).

Not going to that show would be (for us) like not going to Mom & Dads' for Christmas.....

Now, if we can only get LH & the BB's to make it a true double bill.......Butch, ya listening?????

Mim & Har

Posted on Thu Mar 28 22:46:44 CET 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Ray

Porn Name "Russell 13th Street"???

My porn name would be "Russell 13th Street"

Posted on Thu Mar 28 22:27:15 CET 2002 from 0-1pool35-90.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.35.90)

Jenny "Bony" T

Porn Names

My porn name would be Peace Central if you use the hospital address.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 21:53:20 CET 2002 from spider-tf023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.183)

Old Liver Rivers

Blue's Songs

Ned: Besides the The Barn Burner's version of the song "Wang Dang Doodle" I have heard KoKo Taylors version, and enjoyed KoKo's version very much. Although, Howlin Wolf version is still my favorite. The Barn Burner's, with the beautiful Amy Helm, sang my all time favorite song called "Shake A Hand" and the way Amy sang that song was just incredible! Does anyone know if any other Blues artist who may have sang and recorded this song?

I just noticed that Garth Hudson and Professor Louie & The Cromatix, will be coming to The Point, on April 25'th. The Point is located in Bryn Mawr, PA. Just a hop, skip, and jump, from my house! I am looking forward to seeing Garth & The Cromatix, are any GB'ers poster planning on going to this show?

Laura Lorfing, it was so nice to see you posting again! Give Rhett a big hug for me!

Have a great day everyone!

Posted on Thu Mar 28 21:39:34 CET 2002 from s066028114035.asp.anobi.com (66.28.114.35)

Chris

porno name

Well that would make me either Harold Yosemite, or Yosemite Harold. Quite definitely original but not something that rolls of the tongue eg. "that's it Harold...or give it to me Yosemite."

Posted on Thu Mar 28 21:30:27 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Paul Schaffer

At 16 Paul would have still been living in Thunder Bay. By the time Paul got to Toronto where he played piano in Godspell with Torontonian Victor Garber in the lead the Hawks were long gone. Then thanks to Movie guy (now) Howard Shore of Lighthouse who was the original head of the SNL Band......off went Paul to NY.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 21:20:56 CET 2002 from dialup-63.215.114.145.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.114.145)

Pat Brennan

I've worked with Steve Albini a number of times, and despite the media's bent, he's always been an absolute pleasure. He's a great producer and an audio genius. His studio is amazing.

If you don't like your blues names, you can discover your porno name by combining your middle name with the street you were born on.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 21:20:21 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

Paul S.

Paul often plays with the musical guests on Dave's show, and they often sit in with his band during the short bits of songs they cram in near the commercials. I don't watch SNL very often anymore, but G.E. Smith and various members of that band would sometimes augment the guest band, and in the case of some solo artists, the SNL Band would be the only backing musicians.David Sanborn sat in with the Letterman many times back in the 80's. I recall one time, mid 80's I think, Paul and his band were playing the opening notes of Chest Fever when returning from a commercial.Eric Burdon is one of my favorite 60's characters,he is still a wildman from what I hear. I unfortunately missed him play a blues festival here in Syracuse a few years ago, as I was off camping with the family.Heard it was a great show.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 20:46:59 CET 2002 from s066028114035.asp.anobi.com (66.28.114.35)

Chris

Paul Shaffer

I just figured that the boys were probably running in somewhere near the same circles. With his background I'm sure he was definitely familiar with Ronnie and The Hawks. But did they know him?

Posted on Thu Mar 28 20:28:56 CET 2002 from atpm3-1-25.enter.net (208.137.243.35)

Zeppe

Paul Shaffer

I remember The Band performing "The Weight" on Letterman circa 1994, and Paul Shaffer played accordian during the song and contributed vocals while sharing a mic with Rick.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 19:56:54 CET 2002 from s066028114035.asp.anobi.com (66.28.114.35)

Chris

Canadians

I was looking into Paul Shaffer of the Late Night with David Letterman show and found that on his second album he does a cover of "Chest Fever". Anyone heard the version?

There is something interesting to me about Shaffer. He had Eric Burdon on last night through the whole show and it was a lot of fun. He mentioned that his band opened for Eric when paul was 16. That would be about 1965. I can't find what that band was but i imagine it had to be pretty good to open for The Animals.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 19:36:57 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Photographer Daniel Kramer

Frank: I believe the last book you mentioned was "Bob Dylan", a collection of photos taken by Daniel Kramer published in 1967. The electric portion of the Dylan concert at Forest Hills Tennis Stadium (Aug. 28, 1965) featured backup by Robbie Robertson, Levon Helm, bassist Harvey Brooks and Al Kooper. I recall photos of that concert were included in Mr. Kramer's book.

Mr. Kramer is perhaps best known for his photos of Dylan that graced the covers of "Bringing It All Back Home" and "Highway 61 Revisited". The former was shot in Albert Grossman's Woodstock home, with the lovely, young Sally Grossman lounging in the background.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 18:32:43 CET 2002 from dialup-64.154.76.220.dial1.newyork1.level3.net (64.154.76.220)

FrankDracMan

Woodstock Vision II/Tour 1965-66

I own the Elliot Landy Woodstock Vision (1994) that is 10"/13" many cool pictures of the boys (mainly 1967-69 in woodstock area/dylan/woodstock '69 fest./ other 60s rock/blues legends and 60s happenings. It is highly recommended. Yesterday @ Borders, I saw an updated version with more than 2x the #, but half the size ... ?

there was also book ($20 approx) of tour 1965-66 called "... Machester Trade Hall... ?" It had lame picts and looked like it didnt the boys enuff credit. Reviews... ?

I remember a great book I saw in a store and really regret not buying. It had 40+ picts of 1965 Forest Hills before show empty and during show. Im guessing picts were taken my Michael(?) Kramer. Anyone know of this...?

Posted on Thu Mar 28 18:25:30 CET 2002 from 8.newark-03-04rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.129.8)

ned

John Hiatt says

Don, I would love to read what Mr Hiatt had to say about "covers". Where can I find this - do you recall where you read it? Thank you.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 18:23:00 CET 2002 from tnt14a-247.chcg3.il.corecomm.net (216.214.203.247)

Paul

Check out the address below for an interesting read on record company contracts. I'm not saying it's applicable in every way to the Band and their history, but the subject of unjust practices has come up occasionally here, and it suggests a few ways that a band can sell a lot of records and still not end up with a lot of money. It was written by Steve Albini, well-known Chicago crank, so a language warning is in effect.

www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html

Posted on Thu Mar 28 17:45:17 CET 2002 from dhcp58139.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.139)

KICKING HORSE

BIG FINGERS LEE

DOCTOR PEPPER? From this day forward my whiteye name will be Big Finger Lee. I will answer to Big Finger Lee in the event I do hear from you

Posted on Thu Mar 28 17:31:13 CET 2002 from host-65-164-8-8.co.erie.ny.us (65.164.8.8)

G-Man

ROAD TRIP INFORMATION

Anyone planning to attend the Sackets Harbor show, 6/15/02, I have posted some information on the Jim Weider GB!!!Hope to see many, many Road Warriors, GB ers, and Ned too!!

Posted on Thu Mar 28 17:07:39 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Cassandra Wilson at Big Pink

In the early summer of 1998, Cassandra Wilson recorded sessions at Bearsville Studios for her previous Blue Note album "Traveling Miles". At that same time, Ms. Wilson, who was also producing segments on music for the CBS Sunday Morning t.v. show, taped a profile on Robbie Robertson. In addition to interviewing Mr. Robertson, they also filmed a visit to the Big Pink house. It was the first time in 30 years that Mr. Robertson had been in the house. The segment aired in June 1998, in conjunction with the release of Mr. Robertson's "Contact From The Underworld of Red Boy" album. Perhaps some of the vibes from her visit to Big Pink seeped into Ms. Wilson's interpretation of "The Weight".

Posted on Thu Mar 28 17:01:29 CET 2002 from s066028114035.asp.anobi.com (66.28.114.35)

Chris

Crippled Hips Smith

Hey my blues name is Crippled Hips Smith and I don't know how I feel about that. Sort of sounds too painful.

On another note...don't you hate it when you are trying to antagonize and nobody takes the bait.

Canadians are so level-headed!

Posted on Thu Mar 28 17:00:07 CET 2002 from spider-wb064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.179)

Bayou Sam

Wang Dang Doodle

The version of this tune that does it for me is by the great Howlin' Wolf.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 16:04:21 CET 2002 from 24-197-166-160.charter-georgia.com (24.197.166.160)

Don Pugatch

Neil Young

Click on the above web site and you can listen to the new Neil Young CD via the net. Or you can go directly to Neil's site. Make your own judgement.

Cassandra Wilson's cover of The Weight was played on FUV yesterday, first did not recognize, then got into her cover. Me thinks that any artist who interperts a song in their style and then covers, is creating an honor to the artist who originally recorded this song. To compare to the original, is not what this is all about, otherwise, why cover, might as well just replay the original. If you ever hear what John Hiatt says about others doing his music, you can get a better handle of what the originals think about others doing their work.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 14:28:31 CET 2002 from 0-1pool34-49.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.34.49)

Boney Back

Husband's Name

Unfortunately my husband comes out as Crippled Baby Bailey.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 14:19:18 CET 2002 from 0-1pool34-49.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.34.49)

Boney Back Bailey (formerly Jenny T)

Blues Names

This is the perfect name for me since I am into alliteration. I think I will make it legal.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 14:05:18 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Cassandra Wilson & Charlie Young

Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth on the Cassandra Wilson version of The Weight. Charlie mentions that the reviewer says the version is weak. If you stack it up against The Band and the great Mavis Staples having a shot at it, it is. I honestly wouldn't say it is weak on its own merit. It's....well....uh.... different. For example nowhere in the intro leading up to the vocal would you think it was The Weight.

This album was recorded in a train station in Clarksdale Mississippi and Ms. Wilson tries to re-capture her roots. Honestly it still sounds like it was all recorded in a New York studio like so many Blue Note Albums. Her version of Dylan's Shelter From The Storm ain't half bad. In summary...Remember when Nina Simone did those great "covers" of Dylan etc? It wounds like she's trying to do her best Nina Simone' but falls short. Just my opinion. For those who really want to check out a great Jazz Singer and may I say another great Canadian like Ms. Krall....is Norah Jones. Excellent CD on Blue Note. Check it out Mr. Powell.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 11:59:41 CET 2002 from du-tele3-072.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.72)

Peter Viney

They shall be released (next week)

Read about four reviews of the Neil Young now - universally panned, I’m afraid. The most positive said there are two decent tracks, Let’s Roll and the last one. It also said two tracks are just “Time is Tight” with lyrics. Still, I bought ‘Trans’, ‘This Note’s For You’ and ‘Old Ways’ so will buy this one.

I got “Postcards From The Hanging” today, the Dylan covers set by the Dead. Really pissed off to start with because the mail order ad said early copies had a bonus disc. And mine didn’t! Odd album. They play much the same backing to all the songs, and ‘When I Paint My Masterpiece’ is a no contest victory to the Band version by a long long way. As the Band released it before Dylan, I always think of The Band version as the original. And as for Tom Thumb’s Blues, well, Robbie was so comprehensively better that you wonder why they ever bothered. I think the covers would all have been great to hear in concert as a a novelty, but on record it’s on the weak side. The extra ‘Dylan & the Dead’ outtake is ‘Man of Peace’ from Dylan’s crap lyrics era, but stands up well enough as the backing is more muscular than on a lot of it, and it’s nice to hear Bob himself singing after several attempts at emulation

Posted on Thu Mar 28 08:28:02 CET 2002 from pd9536dd7.dip.t-dialin.net (217.83.109.215)

Jailhouse Baby White (ulbiman)

america

Good morning from germany! Paul Gofrey: Sorry I did not want to steel the Band from the canadians!What I mean was that only this special atmosphere in the america of the 60´s could form the Band and their sound! Jenny T.:Thanx for your supply! I know that most of the young americans are not blinded by patrioism.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 08:07:44 CET 2002 from 28.newark-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.130.28)

ned

Do I have a Food Fetish?

…and what was I thinking? Blues names are Americana – bout as mericana as you can get without having a cheeseburger and a ’49 Buick shoved down your throat side ways; the doors open w/ fries on the 4th of July by Lucy wearing a Lee Greenwood T shirt playin Babe Ruth’s banjo atop the Empire State Building for Sonny Boy Williamson, John Lee Hooker, Hound Dog Taylor and Big Walter Horton all in attendance at an SRO $1,000 a plate cheese grits fund raiser MC’d by Rudy Giuliani.

…and then my head exploded into red, white and blue flames and fireworks popped-off in the shape of a flag wavin beagle and… I’m going to stop now

Posted on Thu Mar 28 07:25:40 CET 2002 from (211.252.203.34)

Chun-Hyang

Worldcup Jeonju Food

Are you finding special food? You can taste very unique food ¡°Bibimbab¡± at Jeonju city in Korea that 2002 Worldcup is held this summer. The site below is a map of famous restaurants in Jeonju City. Come and get some information ! http://www.jeonju.go.kr/foodmap/main.htm For more information.. ¢Ï Overseas : 82-63-1330 Domestic : 063-1330 In Jeollabukdo : 1330 ¢Á Jeonju Worldcup Homepage : http://www.worldcupjeonju.com ¢Á Lodging Information Worldinn Homepage : http://www.worldinn.com ¢Á Jeonju Cityhall : http://www.jeonju.go.kr ¢Á Jeonju Worldcup cyber PR team : http://cafe.daum.net/cyberjj

Posted on Thu Mar 28 07:22:19 CET 2002 from (211.252.203.18)

Chun-Hyang

Worldcup Jeonju food

Are you finding special food? You can taste very unique food ¡°Bibimbab¡± at Jeonju city in Korea that 2002 Worldcup is held this summer. The site below is a map of famous restaurants in Jeonju City. Come and get some information ! Wn http://www.jeonju.go.kr/foodmap/main.htm For more information.. ¢Ï Overseas : 82-63-1330 Domestic : 063-1330 In Jeollabukdo : 1330 ¢Á Jeonju Worldcup Homepage : http:// ¢Á Lodging Information Worldinn Homepage : http://www.worldinn.com ¢Á Jeonju Cityhall : http://www.jeonju.go.kr ¢Á Jeonju Worldcup cyber PR team : http://cafe.daum.net/cyberjj

Posted on Thu Mar 28 06:34:15 CET 2002 from 173.piscataway-07rh16rt.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.77.173)

ned

Hot Wangs & Cheese Doodles

OLD LIVER - Though Willie Dixon wrote "Wang Dang" I think most people agree the definitive version is Miss Koko Taylor's.

Hey - Nothing like a blues name calculator to keep kids from injesting too much Americana, huh.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 06:29:02 CET 2002 from 1cust206.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.92.206)

Crabgrass

The Shameless Marketing of Hank Wedel

Hey gang!! Hank's playing one more gig tomorrow night before leaving NYC - an early one at 7 p.m. at Arlene Grocery 95 Stanton St. (F train to Second Avenue - 2 stops past West 4th, exit subway toward front of train on righthand side then cross Allen St. and walk south 1 block to Stanton then east along Stanton just 1 block.)

This should be interesting, it's an acoustic set with only standup bass accompaniment!! Why not drop down after work? You've got absolutely no excuse if you live within 100 miles of Manhattan. (I'm gonna make Hank pay me for this one!!)

Posted on Thu Mar 28 06:25:05 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-117.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.117)

Charlie Young

New Version of "The Weight" and New Neil CD

I forgot to mention that the March 27th WASHINGTON POST reviewed a new album by jazz singer Cassandra Wilson that includes a new version of "The Weight," one that the reviewer said was weak. Another reviewer wrote about Neil Young's new studio effort and said the same thing about the whole album. For what that's worth, I will still wait and listen to both for myself when I can...

Posted on Thu Mar 28 05:51:52 CET 2002 from spider-tp062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.202)

Old Liver Allison

The Blues Is Mean

Lil': What's Maud's middle name... looks like she has the same blues name as Levon when you ignore the middle initial... anyway, I'm in touch with my feminine side but... I'm not taking to referring to myself as a drunk old woman too well...

Posted on Thu Mar 28 05:42:57 CET 2002 from (207.218.206.39)

Laura E. Lorfing

Blues Names

Gee...I kinda like "Pretty Eyes Parker" as far as that blues thang goes..very cool indeed! Hope all is well in Band Land. I have been away so long I feel sort of weird even posting. I feel like I don't know anyone anymore. On another note I must say that I am very excited to find that Levon and the gang will be playing here in Houston town this coming May. I'm there!! Hello to Donna in Pa. Sorry it's been such a long time! This motherhood thing (as I'm sure you know) has me exhausted! I can't believe Rhett is already going on 9 months old! Have a great day everyone. PEACE ALL! :)

Posted on Thu Mar 28 05:38:19 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

The Band and marketing

There was a great documentary series on TV here recently called Walk On By. The one episode I did watch (purely by accident) prominently featured The Band. It was about the country-rock thing and traced it's beginnings with groups like The Band through to it's evolution to the likes of The Eagles. The point is was making was that the music industry will take "raw" influences like The Band and process them into something acceptable to a mass market .The doco did say that the Eagles were all very astute business men. No matter what you think of their music they did know how to play the game.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 05:37:12 CET 2002 from spider-tp062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.202)

Old Liver Allison

Congrats Pete R...

Question for blues folks... is the definitive version of "Wang Dang Doodle" the one on the Willie Dixon box set?... It's good but I like what I heard from the BBs live much better...

I liked the Dylan and JRR photo link... reminds me, wasn't there some buzz about those two playing live somewhere with some of the Bengali Bauls dudes?...

I've been listening to Steve Winwood today... and wondering how he and Danko might have sounded together...

Posted on Thu Mar 28 05:05:28 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-001ilurbap002.dialsprint.net (158.252.113.10)

Blind Bones Lee

Well, I've seen a lot of name games lately but this has to be the best. Muddy Rivers (yes, really) is out playing a gig, and I'm doing a lot of computer cleanup listening to all three cds in Across the Great Divide. I'd never played the first 2 cds; it's really not at all a bad selection. I'm forced to listen to Pepote Rouge, and it's not as bad as I thought. The lyrics still make no sense, but the chorus swings along nicely. Right as Rain is really pretty; a bit more MOR than I expect from the Band, but there's no reason it could not have been an MOR radio feature with proper promotion. It's beautifully sung, and Garth's trimmings give it life and just a little edge.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 04:38:39 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-123.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.123)

Charlie Young

Steranko, Jack Kirby, Stan Lee and Blind Lemon Pledge

Who, you ask, is Blind Lemon Pledge? He's the corporate sell-out bluesman, renting space on his wood-bodied Gibson to a furniture polish manufacturer.

I'm glad to see both DC and Marvel Comics mentioned here. I discovered the former around the same time I was buying my first LPs by the Beatles and the Byrds, then I grew into the universe of Stan Lee around the time that Cream and Hendrix and Zappa exploded on the scene. The world hasn't been the same since. I was amazed to see Jim Steranko's name credited for the cover art on a recent science fiction hardcover I saw in a bookstore the other day. I thought he was dead, or at least retired. He was always right up there with the amazing Jack Kirby in my book.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 04:06:55 CET 2002 from spider-tr043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.193)

Brien Sz aka Muddy Lips Davis (Trumpet great with a loose spit valve)

Ahhh I forgot

First off, Thanks Ned for the kind words, I appreciate it.

I forgot about Ricks accident when I made my last statements

I never said it was a mistake to go to Woodstock, I simply thought, in theoretical speculation brought on by another poster which seemed to have sprung from our intriguing Americana discussion, that (whewww) it was not the right move to go silent on the world after releasing a very highly regarded achievement..., IMO

Posted on Thu Mar 28 04:04:18 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-112-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.112)

Old Killer McGee

Heheh.. very cute. I desperately needed a laugh tonight, and coming here to The Band guestbook (The Band of course being Skinny Harp Dupree, Jailhouse Liver Rivers, Skinny Killer Lee, Texas Killer Rivers, and Boney Dog Jefferson) really gave me one.

Me thinks that when our dear webmaster (lovingly referred to as Boney Rivers) returns from his trip and looks in this place, he's going to think he must be drunk (or we're all drunk :-)

Oh..and apologies to my dear friend John for calling him 'Dumbo' in my e-mail instead of 'Gumbo'. Ooops :-)

Still laughing. Thanks. Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 04:01:48 CET 2002 from sqd104.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.162.4)

Fred

The Lost recordings of ....

I'm wondering if I can legally change my name to Hollerin' Liver Parker...although my daughter (Curly Bad Boy) and my wife (Fat...she has no middle name) won't be too pleased!

To turn the tables around a bit..Alan Edge, what made you an ardent LFC supporter and not an Evertonian..and why is your allegiance (for lack of a better word) more towards Liverpool FC rather than Great Britain? Just curious. ( I think I may have an inkling as to why, as I spent part of my misspent youth in Italy a stone's throw from a football stadium)

So is this Richard solo CD going to see the light of day?

Here's a lineup for a recording I'd like to see...Garth Hudson, Ian Anderson (of Jethro Tull fame) and John Paul Jones (of Led Zep), as for a drummer, why not Levon.

well I'm off to find a juke joint to ply my NEW found trade as venerable bluesman Hollerin' Liver Parker!

Posted on Thu Mar 28 03:57:45 CET 2002 from spider-tm072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.77)

Bayou Sam

If there were no U.S.who would the terrorists hate instead?

Posted on Thu Mar 28 03:55:48 CET 2002 from spider-tm072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.77)

Bayou Sam

What if there were no America?

Then The Beatles would not have come here, met Elvis, got turned on by Zimmy, made Revolver, Pepper, Abbey Road..... I can't think about this anymore..........

Posted on Thu Mar 28 03:52:06 CET 2002 from atpm3-9-27.enter.net (208.137.244.175)

Curly Bones Jefferson

By the way, I'm no relation to George.

In the early days, I don't think the Band was really concerned with marketing. They just wanted to make music. Also, living in Woodstock for a year was in no way a mistake. This is where they became themselves. This is where they finally broke away from being the Hawks and Dylan's backup band, although Dylan was a major influence and collaborator during this period when they isolated themselves. That little(or big) pink shack in that little rural town called Woodstock is where they became The Band. During this time, different members of the group were developing their songwriting skills, with alot of help from that Dylan guy. This was when they decided that they were not going to be like any other band, and they were not going to follow the current trends and try to record music that the common listener wanted to hear. They wanted a sound of their own. They wanted to draw on their roots and develop it into something bigger. They were not concerned with record sales or critical acclaim. After that long year in Woodstock, they produced an album called "Music from Big Pink," which I think shocked many people in a positive way. They may not have attracted the mainstream fans, but they sure made alot friends after releasing this album. Friends who would one day share the stage with them at Winterland to help them say goodbye to their fans.

Posted on Thu Mar 28 02:42:06 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tg073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.183)

Jtull Fan

Eugene Levy making 'Folkumentary'

Was reading my USA Today at my hotel this morning and read that Eugene Levy (formerly of Second City TV and the Schmenges Bros. polka spoof) is in the process of making a Folkumentary (in the Spinal Tap vein)called 'Strong Wind'. I'm already chuckling to myself thinking of all the potential Jan Baez spoofs. Got to where bluejeans and a sweatshirt and leather jacket to all my meetings this week, as Delta lost my luggage and when it showed up the contents were soaking wet. The glamour of business travel. Nice to be home and catching up on the GB!

Posted on Thu Mar 28 01:29:40 CET 2002 from 191.newark-16-17rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.134.191)

Peg Leg Eyes Dupree

oh you doesn't has to call me ray

my real name is Timothy J. Farkwards Jones Pristine Gaylord the third - it was in high school anyway. Don't ask...

Posted on Thu Mar 28 01:07:30 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-th042.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.37)

Harry & Mim

Your "blues name"

"Brown Sugar McGee" - I kinda like the sound of that one.

Reminds me of a familiar tune by that r&b, blues based group The Rolling Stones. Didja know that Brian Jones, when asked for a booking name for the nascent group, saw the Muddy Waters single face up on the floor and blurted out the title as "their" name? Fate sure works in funny ways,don't it?????

Yer friends, and lovers of good music,

"Brown Sugar" and "Jailhouse Bones McGee"

Posted on Thu Mar 28 01:06:14 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp70879.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.194.212)

brown eyed girl

name calling

You may call me......Fat Leeeeeeeeee......You may call me.......Muddy Eyes Jones......You may call me......Brown Eyed Girl......You may call me anything......but no matter what you say......I ain't gonna BEG!.....;-D

Posted on Thu Mar 28 00:52:31 CET 2002 from 1cust143.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.143)

Boney Dog Tompkins

Just had to see it in print!

Posted on Thu Mar 28 00:36:41 CET 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Ray or Skinny Dog Jones

Calculate your Blues Name... C'mon it don't cost nuthin- Haw, Haw, Haw

Ok, OK... I posted this earlier but it's a kinda cool.

Check this out... here's an Instant Blues Name Calculator (patent applied for) that a friend sent to me. Try it. It really works. You feel MUCH bluesier after you have a real blues name. No GBr should be without one!

This is how it works:

From the first list, take the name using the initial of your first name.

From the second list, do the same with your middle name.

From the third, your last name.

First List A= Fat; B=Muddy ; C=Crippled; D=Old; E=Texas; F=Hollerin'; G=Ugly; H=Brown; I=Happy; J=Boney; K=Curly; L=Pretty; M=Jailhouse; N=Peg Leg; O=Red; P=Sleepy; Q=Bald; R=Skinny; S=Blind; T=Big; U= Yella; V=Toothless; W=Screamin'; X=Fat Boy; Y=Washboard; Z=Steel-Eye

Second List A=Bones; B=Money; C=Harp; D=Legs; E=Eyes; F=Lemon; G=Killer; H=Hips; I=Lips; J=Fingers; K=Boy; L=Liver; M=Gumbo; N=Foot;O=Mama; P=Back; Q=Duke; R=Dog; S=Bad Boy; T=Baby; U=Chicken; V=Pickles; W=Sugar; X=Cracker; Y=Tooth; Z=Smoke

Third List A=Jackson; B=McGee; C=Hopkins; D=Dupree; E=Green; F=Brown; G=Jones; H=Rivers; I=Malone; J=Washington; K=Smith;L=Parker; M=Lee; N=Thompkins; O=King; P=Bradley; Q=Hawkins; R=Jefferson;S=Davis; T=Franklin; U=White; V=Jenkins; W=Bailey; X=Johnson;Y=Blue; Z=Allison

Yours Truly,

Skinny Dog Jones (formely known as Ray) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted on Thu Mar 28 00:06:51 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

Blues Names

I can go two ways...Fat Liver Rivers or Fat Hips Washington...I don't know which is worse.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 23:59:51 CET 2002 from 8-pool10.ras10.inind.tii-dial.net (206.148.145.8)

Jon

My New Name

Boney Harp Hopkins. I feel better already, being the great bluesman I am going to become.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 23:28:25 CET 2002 from pm453-11.dialip.mich.net (204.39.226.165)

old killer lee

america. a mixture of substance and image. substance=fly fishing, Los Lobos, little league baseball, garlic, a cornfield, black labradors, and John D. Image=Enron, TV news, fast food, downsizing, the secret government, home security systems, and anything that is "free". Here's to some of the most interesting of our guestbook regulars - Muddy Davis, Old Liver, Sleepy Jenkins, Barney Dupree, Blind Dupree (no relation or second cousins once removed, depending on whose story you believe), and of course, the unstoppable Barney Rivers. Bless you all!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 23:00:08 CET 2002 from dialup-67.25.135.133.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (67.25.135.133)

G-MAN

Canadian Guru Fans

Ok Chris,,,,a make up deal, for our Candain friends!! 04/21, 7 pm,,B-Bar, Niagara Falls,,"NEW YORK"-come on over and catch Jim Weider and the Honky Tonk Gurus!!!!!North American music at it's BEST!!!!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:57:46 CET 2002 from pub54.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.110.66)

Pehr

comix thread

Nick Fury's w/ Steranko covers.

Beano.

PLOP!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:45:44 CET 2002 from s066028114035.asp.anobi.com (66.28.114.35)

Chris

Canada

By the way: That was just to piss off the Canadians.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:40:14 CET 2002 from s066028114035.asp.anobi.com (66.28.114.35)

Chris

Let's here it fer Canada

Just to add my two bits:

I'm from West Henrietta, New York. Which is right up there on Lake Ontario and a short ride to Canada. I always had as much familiarity with Toronto as with New York City. The point is that when did Canada stop being a part of America. North America is the United States of America, Canada, Mexico, and Greenland.

Aren't we all Americans?

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:36:53 CET 2002 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

Cuba

With vacationing back and forth between the Dominican Republic this past 8 years or so it has been quite an eye opener concerning developments in Cuba.

Actually, quite a few Americans do business IN Cuba and quite a number have residence there. This surprised me a fair bit over the years. It is refreshing to not see McDonalds, KFC or Denny's restaurants there. I don't have anything against any of the afore mentioned. It is just nice to enjoy a different culture, eat their food, beer and try on their language.

With satellite TV it is interesting to note that all the hotels we stayed at had American channels on through out all the bars. American Express is not welcome in Cuba, but the main currency is USA greenbacks.

Cuba is a contradiction in terms and politics. It will change big time when Fidel makes his exit.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:37:08 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-001paphilp300.dialsprint.net (168.191.31.166)

Peter Stone Brown

Band marketing

The reason The Band didn't tour following the release of Big Pink was that Rick Danko broke his neck in a car accident.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:25:10 CET 2002 from du-tele3-135.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.135)

Peter Viney

comic cuts

Al: Yes, the superiority of The Beano is recognized and fine and Dandy with me. You got the Topper there, A real Hotspur. As that Rover, Van Morrison almost says, They don't know what we're writing about. But he was always an Adventure. Look at Listen to the Lion. That's a Tiger. But it's not comprehensible if you're into the Eagle. Or Robin.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:24:32 CET 2002 from p05-20.hartford.dialin.ntplx.com (204.213.188.220)

Tracy

Re: Band Marketing..., more on USA later

From what I understand, The Band didn't tour off of the Music From Big Pink release. Bill Graham had wanted them to play at the Fillmore in the Summer of '68, but they refused. Rick got in a serious car accident and wound up with a broken neck, and Robbie's wife was pregnant at the time. They just didn't want to do it then and I don't think they were raking in the money as much as they did later in the '70s when music became more of a big business. They didn't seem to worry all that much about the money and there weren't very many excessive ways of life as they later experienced only a few short years later or their later life on the West Coast.

Tracy

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:07:35 CET 2002 from raindel.jvlnet.com (216.145.200.249)

Ann

Desi was my favorite part of the I Love Lucy show. Couldn't wait till they went to the nightclub ... Babalouuuuu! Love your posts Al Edge.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 22:11:32 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

Boney Gumbo Dupree

BLUES NAME

Hey Ray.......this is cool. Always wanted a good Blues Name.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 21:58:24 CET 2002 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (24.61.49.141)

Long Distance Operator

Any Blasters fans in the house?

Click the link for a good article on the new Blasters re-release. Or, just copy and paste: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2002-03-21/recordings4.html/1/index.html

Posted on Wed Mar 27 21:16:45 CET 2002 from vt-rutland1a-18.bur.adelphia.net (24.50.55.18)

Steve Spensley

Little Birds

I am looking fot the lyrics for Little Birds, as preformed by Levon Helm. Can anybody help? Thanks, Steve

Posted on Wed Mar 27 21:00:29 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al Edge

Desi Arnez

I hear what you say Pete and Virginny lad but my opinion stands - I thought Desi was a real cuban..heel! :-)

Wasn't too fussed on Lucy either!

Pete - got to say by the time those Marvel comics took hold I was back in the Beano!! Never looked back since either :-) I model myself on Plug!!!!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 20:40:13 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Against the Grain of Musical Trends

Following on the heels of the British invasion of bands and West Coast psychedelia, The Band's unique blend of music seemed to emerge from right out of the soil of North America.

Appropriately, the original title of the Brown Album was to be "Harvest", according to Rob Bowman's liner notes from the recent reissue.

Two leading warriors from the British invasion troops, the late George Harrison and Eric Clapton, were among the first to sing praises regarding The Band. At the time, those two distinguished Englishmen recognized who were the true "revolutionaries".

"London calling, now don't look at us
All that phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust"

Posted on Wed Mar 27 20:32:08 CET 2002 from avail-minnesotamedical.msp.origix.net (64.247.206.74)

Tommy

Cuba

With respect to Mr. John W., I must again disagree

Cuba is a prime example of U.S. imperialism at work (as all Latin America has been witness/victim to in one way or another). The U.S. involvement in Cuba goes back to the 19th Century.

Why should the U.S. control what government is in Cuba? That's the fundamental question.

I don't think the embargo is about human rights. The U.S. embargo is an example of forcing a nation to do something because the U.S. government and American companies disagree with Cuba's economic policies and want the control they had before the revolution.

The U.S. has waged an economic war with Cuba that is every bit as devastating as a real one. And why? Because the Cubans defied American foreign policy, nationalized land and industries American companies controlled. (How American companies got all that land and power is another long post). What it comes down to is that it's the U.S. way or no way.

The U.S. has supported -- financially and militarily -- and traded with far-less "representative" governments than Cuba. Poverty is a form of violence.

BTW, I'm not defending Castro's human rights record or their system of government. Just trying to make a point.

P.S. -- has anyone thought about starting a CD-R tree of Band recordings? What's the use of having music if not to share it? (I'm talking about bootleg concerts and b-sides etc.) The Dylan people have an entire system in place. My e-mail account doesn't seem to be working.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 20:30:57 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert

Hugenoten & American products

Jenny; if you click on the link you'll find the passenger list (passagierslijst) of "the spotted cow" from 1663.

John W; my post was something(?) like Dutch humor ......
so don't get me wrong, America is a great country! ..... and I agree; I drive a European car, I drink a Dutch beer ..... but as I go where I want to go, say what I want to say ..... I know, THAT comes from America ......(doesn't mean the USA and I agree on all ...... of course ;-)

p.s. a land who welcomes with:
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
can't be too bad ......

Posted on Wed Mar 27 20:26:57 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-116.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.116)

Crippled Legs Blue

Too Many Threads!

1. Desi Arnaz was a Cuban who became an American, and without him Lucy would have been like Laurel without Hardy. I admit that the Osmond family are a pure product of America, though. Sigh...

2. I don't recall double albums ever having sides one and two together, always side one backed with four and two backed with three. I could go dig out FREAK OUT or BLONDE ON BLONDE or ALLMAN BROTHERS AT FILLMORE EAST but it's too much of an effort for a tired American who had an exhausting commute to and from NYC yesterday (I even had to take off my belt AND shoes for security guys at LaGuardia yesterday and trust me, I don't fit the "profile").

3. Jack Straw...when did you leave Witchita?

4. The Band was Canadian? Next thing I know you'll be telling me that Rollie was at THE LAST WALTZ!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 20:02:24 CET 2002 from (195.82.121.100)

Peter Viney

Diverse matters of little Band relevance

The stuff on America is something I must re-read at leisure. Busy times. And with Jan on holiday it won’t take long at this rate before the GB reaches huge file sizes. Al’s “pioneering gene” is interesting. When Eysenk was doing all his IQ research he got thoroughly attacked for making a similar point. There were comparisons of IQ levels in the old countries (I won’t even dare mention which!) and IQ levels of direct descendants in the USA of the same families, and the American ones had higher IQ’s, which he put down to the fittest and brightest emigrating from depressed areas of Europe. You could add that only the healthiest and most adaptable Africans would have survived the crossing and subsequent trauma. His many vociferous critics put it down to heavy cultural bias in IQ tests. I think there’s something in a pioneering gene (but let’s not go into IQ). My name is an old Dorset name. My grandfather was born here. The Vineys are unquestionably neither pioneering nor adventurous by nature, but comfort-loving stay-at-homes. However, as it’s said to originate in Brittany, France at some point we must have had more of that get-up-and-go gene, but having got-up-and-left France it soon got worn out. The French Viney who explained the Breton origin to me was a wizened and fairly slow hotel porter, and I guessed his branch were left after our somewhat brighter branch quit for England. But maybe he spoke so slowly and repetitively because we were trying to conduct the conversation in French. So it was me that was slow. Years ago I had a similar conversation with an American friend who’d read about a pioneering gene. He reckoned his family hadn’t had much of it either, because they’d emigrated from Italy and set up a food import business on the dock about 100 yards from where they landed.

Without America … it’d be an extremely long nonstop East to West flight to the Far East from Europe. And the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans would be one and need a new name. I suggest ‘The Great Ocean’. Or does it mean if there’d been no War of Independence? But that was an inevitability given 6 weeks for the fastest return message London-NYC-London. A series of comparatively minor events culminated in 1776, but if it hadn’t happened then, it would have happened eventually and certainly by 1830 (cf. Latin America).

Paul’s point is a strong one. To a European eye, (e.g.) Chicago and Toronto are very similar. And the vegetation and fauna don’t alter on the 49th parallel. The Canadian pioneer experience must have been very similar, just less filmed and less glamourized. On the other hand most of the Canadian stars do live in the USA, but that’s access to work, and possibly lower taxes help. Day to day life on the land - felling trees, clearing forests, building railroads, pushing Native-Americans off the best bits, building cities, establishing an industrial base – can’t have been different for most people. For a foreigner, criss-crossing the Niagara River, it would be hard to tell which side you’re on apart from the flagpoles everywhere. Oh, and sorry USA, but the Canadian side definitely has cleaner sidewalks and far fewer beggars on the streets. And much more user-friendly currency bills and coins (I’m talking design, not stable value). But as Canadians would be too polite to point this out, I’ll do it for them.

Cuba – two posts here. I never minded Desi Arnez. On Castro, face it, that dispute has more to do with the events of 1962 than 2002, and both the USA and the UK have given aid and arms to undemocratic regimes with far worse human rights records in the intervening 40 years (and still are doing so). That one’s an entrenched position. Compared to Saddam or Khomeini or Idi Amin (or dozens of others, including several in Latin America), Cuba’s not even in the running in the wicked regime stakes. Now that it’s attracting so much tourism from Europe, I’d imagine that a free economy will soon establish itself, and democratic institutions will follow.

Al- but what about the point where American-printed Stan Lee era Marvel Comics came in? DC comics went out the window for me. I was living in Hull in the late 60s, and being a port (like Liverpool but duller), imported comics were easy to get. Not so in the south of England, unfortunately. I sold my entire collection in 1978 for £85 to buy curtains (=drapes). Hundreds of them (comics. Only one set of curtains). As I see now in collector’s shops, many of them would be worth £85 each. I did keep the Nick Fury set with Jim Steranko covers though.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 19:58:38 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

BIG SHOW

Mike - Check the show schedule on the Electrix web site - www.theelectrix.com - that's where I got the word!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 19:39:13 CET 2002 from 209.236.161.29.cnjnet.com (209.236.161.29)

MIKE LENAHAN

BIG SHOW

Hey John W, Are you sure Levon and Jim Weider are playing May 24 at Tribeca Blues? I check out Tribeca site and they are not on the Bill. What's UP!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 19:38:07 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

Marketing Records

Here's a question for all of you who were there when it happened :) My copy of Rock of Ages has sides 1 & 4 together, then sides 2 & 3. I know this is for automatic changers, but I find it quite inconvenient. What I'm wondering is - when double records came into the stores, did you have a choice to buy the auto-changer version or the regular (1 & 2 together, then 3 & 4) version, or was it a surprise when you opened the package?

Posted on Wed Mar 27 19:13:10 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Big Show Coming Up!

Looks like a Big Show coming up at Tribeca Blues in New York! On May 24 it's a "Bob Dylan Birthday Celebration" featuring Levon Helm, Professor Louie and the Crowmatix, Jim Weider and the Honky Tonk Gurus, Buddy Cage, The Electrix, John Paris and Friends and many more!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 18:57:09 CET 2002 from dialin-1725-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.7.201)

Ugly Chicken Choker

Cuba

Now you've REALLY gone too far, John W. You can kiss goodby, forever, any slim chance you may have had to receive the coveted Huuuuuuuuuuuumanitarian Award from Comrade Fidel.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 18:44:26 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Tommy - I don't think the threat of withholding our economic purchasing power from those we disagree with is the same as colonialism and imperialism like the "U.K., France, all the European powers" used to practice. Take for example Cuba, for the last 40 years the U.S. has not liked their government, and by using armed force could have invaded and taken over any time they wanted. Even if you think the reason they didn't invade was it might start a war with the Soviet Union, well they still have not invaded since the Soviet Union fell apart. Instead of invading and changing their government by force, the U.S. refuses to trade with that country until we see some changes regarding human rights. Don't you think that is "higher ground" than using military force?

Posted on Wed Mar 27 18:40:37 CET 2002 from 86.newark-05rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.168.86)

ned

Let's not forget to periodically STOP and smell the roses. A good place to start (if you can't get out of your building until 5) is Briensz's web page - link above.

Great work Brien.

Before we get too busy making the world a better place let's remember where it all started - with the bounty of nature. It may sound corny but, if we first acknowledge the things that make us happy - it makes a day of "kicking ass" a lot more productive and rewarding.

We can't make a soup taste better by simply introducing new ingredients if we've lost our reference point by forgotting what it tasted like in the first place.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 18:38:45 CET 2002 from ppp-3-181.5800-11.telinco.net (212.1.154.181)

Al Edge

Er...

I dare say my initial comment to Jan to remove my post if he felt it might clog up the GB now seems faintly ridiculous. :-)

Clearly the debate has moved well beyond its original form. Lawnmowers anyone?

Personally, as a complete outsider - that is someone who has never set foot on American soil - I'd just like to add my overtly simplistic two pennyworth - for what it' s worth - on the wider context.

Number one. The power of America abroad economically, culturally and politically. I am no expert but I feel a distinct sense of thank God it is America and not a whole host of other powers which 'so happens?' to be the biggest and most powerful in the world. I am no arselicker of ALL things American. I have my pet likes and dislikes as with all things. Desi Arnez and little Jimmy Osmond for starters!! But I do recognise reality when I see it. Potential reality too. Imagine, if America was on balance a real nasty so and so, what it could do if it really flexed its muscles. The fact is IMHO, despite any warts which, let's face it, we all have, America as a whole is very definitely for the greater good. It is my simplistic argument to anybody who might care to criticise it and I have read nothing on here or elsewhere to dispel the notion. It does not mean that wrongs are not committed, inflicted and perpetuated. They are. It simply means that no matter how much we'd like it otherwise it's impossible to achieve the highest ideals. So let's just try and improve it as best we all can with our own minute yet vital inputs BUT be extremely grateful that some of the REAL bastards that thrive in this lousy world have not got America's power. Or else we'd all be well and truly fucked.

Second. Whether some like it or not, the whole Americana thing infiltrates the rest of the world because WE ultimately want it to. In Britain in the fifties/sixties we had black and white comics in the shops - Marvelman to be precise. Basically even back then as young scallies we knew they were shoite. When the first coloured DC comics began infiltrating us from the American boats we simply ached for them. Ached so bad. We'd have killed our grannies to get our grubby little mitts on them. They were just SO desirable. SO... I can feel my longing even now forty odd years later. America, somehow, manages to have its pulse on popular culture. It sets the pace in so much. As long as it's as good as Superman and Green Lantern it's ok by me. We can moan and groan all we like and some of what is inflicted upon us is intolerable. Nothing, however, could ever be as bad as seeing your best mate unveil his latest glossy American DC from his uncle off the American boat with Linda Lee, Lex Luther, Lana Lang, Lois Lane [ed's note - funny how so many of Superman's friends down the years have the initials 'LL' - yeah man - I want more, give me more - even Bizarro or Mr Mxypxlitxtzz for God's sake!!!!] while you skulk around with boring friggin Marvelman. :-)

Posted on Wed Mar 27 18:23:12 CET 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

Ray

Calculate Your Blues Name

Hey to all GBrs,

Check this out... here's an Instant Blues Name Calculator (patent applied for) that a friend sent to me. Try it. It really works. You feel MUCH bluesier after you have a real blues name. No GBr should be without one!

This is how it works:

From the first list, take the name using the initial of your first name.

From the second list, do the same with your middle name.

From the third, your last name.

First List A= Fat; B=Muddy ; C=Crippled; D=Old; E=Texas; F=Hollerin'; G=Ugly; H=Brown; I=Happy; J=Boney; K=Curly; L=Pretty; M=Jailhouse; N=Peg Leg; O=Red; P=Sleepy; Q=Bald; R=Skinny; S=Blind; T=Big; U= Yella; V=Toothless; W=Screamin'; X=Fat Boy; Y=Washboard; Z=Steel-Eye

Second List A=Bones; B=Money; C=Harp; D=Legs; E=Eyes; F=Lemon; G=Killer; H=Hips; I=Lips; J=Fingers; K=Boy; L=Liver; M=Gumbo; N=Foot;O=Mama; P=Back; Q=Duke; R=Dog; S=Bad Boy; T=Baby; U=Chicken; V=Pickles; W=Sugar; X=Cracker; Y=Tooth; Z=Smoke

Third List A=Jackson; B=McGee; C=Hopkins; D=Dupree; E=Green; F=Brown; G=Jones; H=Rivers; I=Malone; J=Washington; K=Smith;L=Parker; M=Lee; N=Thompkins; O=King; P=Bradley; Q=Hawkins; R=Jefferson;S=Davis; T=Franklin; U=White; V=Jenkins; W=Bailey; X=Johnson;Y=Blue; Z=Allison

Yours Truly,

Skinny Dog Jones (formely known as Ray)

Posted on Wed Mar 27 18:19:25 CET 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

Marketing the Band

I was around, and paying attention to music, when Big Pink was launched but I don't remember how I heard about it and what prompted me to buy it. Marketing of music to college students was still a fairly new thing; ads in magazines, reviews, and feature articles were still the main ways of letting people know what was available. In my circles we picked out new music by paying frequent visits to the local record stores and browsing through the bins. A lot of records were bought because the jacket looked interesting.

I probably bought Big Pink and the Brown album on the strength of reviews. Rolling Stone was fairly new, and I remember reading Stereo Review fairly often. I also remember reading the Eye article that's on site, and some article, probably in a short-lived magazine, with a picture of Richard holding hands with his wife in the back seat of a limo - probably taken when the Band made it's first New York appearance. (What kind of geek have I become, that I can remember details like this, especially when I did not think I paid a lot of attention to these things?) I probably took note because generally you did not see pictures of the girlfriends or wives of guys in bands.

I don't especially remember the Band image as being all that different from any other group that tried to be cool as opposed to mainstream. Image was beginning to be important; in my circles the Lovin' Spoonful was risible, music for children and the hopelessly suburban. This was probably a result of the general 'happy' vibe that the record jackets projected. It was important not too seem too country, either, especially Nashville-style country. That may be more just people I hung around with. "Sweetheart of the Rodeo" killed the Byrds around here; country was too close and too threatening. Any venture outside of carefully-defined borders and clubs meant lots of long-hair derision, and lots of country on the juke boxes. This changed somewhat in the mid-70s, but from around 1966 to 1972 country was uncool, uncouth, and probably evil. I suspect it was important that the Band's country image was old-time country, historic rather than really current. It was then possible to ignore the country bits that would have otherwise been turn-offs.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 18:05:26 CET 2002 from spider-wl044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.39)

Calvin

America and a actual Band/basement tapes comment

America's actions aren't really that different than one would expect. The USA is much like a typical wealthy relation. They spend a lot of money supporting the rest of the family, and whatever our goverment's fault we pour a ton of money into countries that need it, and then they feel it is their right to "advise" the rest of the family how to handle their affairs. Our goverment acts no differently then one would expect any single person to act. Low blow Carmen, completely uncalled for. I was given a fairly unique CD yesterday. Up From the Basement: Dylan, Tiny Tim and the Band. THe playing is good, the sound isn't bad, and frankly you haven't lived until you've heard Tiny Tim and Dylan duet on the old Sony and Cher hit I Got You Babe.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 17:58:11 CET 2002 from a010-0058.blgs.splitrock.net (209.254.61.58)

Jack Straw

Exporting America

I finally noticed the word movies creeping into peoples posts about the export of America. In the middle 70's my wife and I were Peace Corps Volunteers in Honduras. During our time off we had the opportunity to travel extensively throughout Latin America. Fortunately this was during a trough in the cycle of bloodletting that seems to engulf that region on a periodic basis. America was loved and we were always treated well. Imported products were invariably expensive with one notable exception. The Movies. For some reason movies were so cheap that the poorest people (this is the third world so we are talking poor) could and did flock to see them. This how they really(?) learned about America. Movies are not just dialogue, there is the entire visual matrix and background. Whatever these people think they learned about life in America they damned sure knew that it was better than what they had at home. Strangely enough, they weren't spurned on to better their life at home ( when that idea hit, the result was bloodletting, invariabely the blood of the poor), the plan was to come here. What was a trickle at that time is, of course, now a torrent. Those that didn't make the big jump did the next best thing, buy our products, music (pirated copies?). clothing (knockoffs?), Coke and Pepsi.

I also have some observations of America via my tour in Vietnam but the bitterness is too much to share here. You have my address.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 17:56:52 CET 2002 from spider-wp083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.201.213)

Brien Sz

Band Marketing..., more on USA later

Three missteps were taken by the Band and or their marketing team early on..,Oh to be a Monday Morning Quarterback - One, the choice to hole up in Woodstock for a year (give or take)and not grant interviews..., It's one thing to be mysterious, it's another to disappear. The old addage, leave'em wanting more, should have been applied. Yea, you put out a brilliant album but you have to pump it some. They should have hit the "Face Scene" more not less or in this case nonexistent. Develop the aura, don't suppose it. TWO: The touring breaks - for guys who loved to play and weren't concerned with 'the business' of music, they sure took a lot of time off from touring, just when they were hitting their peak. Now i wasn't old enough to know how much they toured BUT did they Tour Big Pink - I mean a good 9 month, 5 shows a week, Big Publicity, Radio Station interviews Tour? THREE: Clapton and Harrison thought these guys were the end all - How is that management never siezed the opportunity to put the Band on tour with either one of these guys? They seemed to lack serious amount of quality face time -

Also one other note: This is more a product of the music than themselves. I believe the Bands music was so unique, that record company's had a hard time catagorizing them - they weren't country, they weren't really folk, and they weren't really Rock-n-Roll in the traditional sense. They were a combination of all those elements plus some. It makes it very hard to then get classified -which many people feel comfortable doing with things.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 17:47:41 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

America, infant formula, fried chicken

Poor, uneducated women in the U.S. and other countries are given samples of formula before their babies are born. The formula is usually given in one to two week supplies. We all know that once a baby drinks from a bottle, breastfeeding is virtually impossible. A mother is therefore dependent on the formula. Infant formula is costly and if a woman is illiterate, cannot be administered properly. I realize, of course, that sometimes infant formula is the only option. I am just adding to Jenny T's post and highlighting one way that unethical marketing is damaging lives all over the world. Infant feeding decisions should not be influenced by a corporation.

I have read where the typical American is bombarded with over 3,000 marketing messages daily. Marketers spend $1 billion a year advertising to children. Companies like Pepsi, Coca-Cola, etc. want to sponsor our public schools. Tide is the #1 water pollutant in the U.S. Why??? It is the #1 seller. Unethical marketing effects development, public health and environment.

I love the U.S. This is my country. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. There are thousands of people in every state that fight daily for justice and health and environmental issues. There is value and strength in parents that teach their children not to litter, to conserve energy, to ride a bike, to love one another, to listen to The Band instead of Britney. Shallow people are everywhere in every country...I just try to fight the little daily battles...that is the best I can do.

John Donabie: Thanks for reminding me about Arkansas fried chicken...it IS a delicacy!!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 17:22:20 CET 2002 from dialup-63.208.68.14.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.68.14)

Pat Brennan

Concerning advertising, when Ben Franklin was the American ambassador to France, he noticed that French society was adopting certain aspects of his dress style. So he got the ugliest fur hat he could find and started wearing it around. Soon, the hat became the rage.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 17:04:52 CET 2002 from avail-minnesotamedical.msp.origix.net (64.247.206.74)

Tommy

Robbie and Bob Reunion

In case you guys hadn't see this:

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=he&id=1807880495&cf=pg&photoid=252490

It's probably nothing but ...

And if I may, I don't think its fair to say that because the America resorts to "using its economic power to get what it wants in international relations" that the U.S. is occupying some sort of higher ground in the world.

The U.K., France, all the European powers used their econominc muscles throughout their centuries of dominance. Remember colonialism and imperialism. It still exists today.

I think the fact that the American government, working with American businesses, exerts their influence at the expense of world's citizens is what produces anger towards the U.S. They do things that benefit America only. The U.S. backs governments, policies and businesses that do things to people in other countries that would never stand if they tried it in America. Just my humble opinion.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 16:53:48 CET 2002 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

C A N A D A and the BAND

Butch...I'm disappointed. Ah come on, join the discussion.

Ulbiman..."Without America there would be no Band!" In many respects the Band's music is an interpretation of some thoughts on Americana written by a Canadian or Canadians. I have always thought that the BAND music belongs to the World. Look how big our boys are in Japan!

Four fifths of the Band were born,raised and in many respects influenced by Canadiana....oh and we adopted Levon in 1959. As he said in London last summer: "its good to be home!" Even that born and raised hero from Arkansas, Ronnie Hawkins lives in Canada and calls this "the Promised Land!"

After 30 years of being away it is possible that Robbie Robertson made peace with his birthright and returned home to a Reserve that he knew as a child.

Well I can feel the flames getting hotter if you made it this far down the page. Before I go please bear in mind that I am not anti-American. However, understand I AM PROUDLY CANADIAN!

shineoneverybodypaulg

Posted on Wed Mar 27 16:49:49 CET 2002 from 0-1pool33-60.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.33.60)

Jenny T

Advertising

I think advertising does create trends and convince people to do stupid things. Maybe there are campaigns that fail, but I know when I was a kid nobody thought you needed to drive a bus if you had a kid or two. The last time I visited my Dad in his Orange County retirement community--where no kids are allowed to live--I saw a bunch of minivans. I asked my Dad why. He said, "oh everyone thinks they need one now." Who convinced people they needed a big old van?

If you don't teach kids that they need to be very critical of advertising, they totally buy into it. One day my son told me I NEEDED a new toothbrush that brushed your teeth effortlessly and only cost $39.99.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 16:27:08 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Marketing

Jenny T. - I understand your frustration with American's use of wasteful oversized cars, but I don't agree that the advertising brainwashes people into thinking what they want. If advertising and marketing money could convince consumers what they want to buy, there would not be so many multi-million dollar ad campaigns for new products that flopped because people just did not want to buy them.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 16:17:24 CET 2002 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

America

On behalf of the US, I want to apologize for the French citizen who shot and killed 8 of his fellow citizens. This act obviously resulted from US influences because we all know that Europeans are far to sophisticated for this sort of behavior and that Americans are just barbarians who without the rest of the worlds help would not exist.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 16:10:32 CET 2002 from 0-3pool47-92.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.47.92)

Jenny T

American Exports

Ulbiman is right about patriotism run amok. Nothing makes people do dumber things than blind patriotism. You have to be critical and on your toes or you'll wind up goosestepping to someone else's drumbeat. I love what I think is good about my country and its people, but I despise the things I think are destructive to the future, and I try to change what seems to need changing.

One of the more tragic examples of amoral international marketing is the promotion of baby formula in countries where there isn't clean water, where the people are too poor to afford formula and often dilute it too much, and where the health risks formula creates (especially reduced immune function) are dangerous to the infants. The average American family can get medicine if their baby gets an infection, while many in the third world can't. But if a big American company goes into a new "market" and presents formula as the American or modern or somehow better way to feed an infant, people will make sacrifices to do what advertising tells them.

Sometimes I think American advertisers are the worst culprits. I mean why do Americans now buy the most ungainly, least fun to drive, inelegant and wasteful vehicles on the market while the climate is heating up? Because advertisers told them if they get these cars they are automatically rugged, tough, outdoorsy and powerful even if the only place they go is the smooth asphalt between their house and the grocery. Not that driving over pristine wild areas as the commercials usually show is a good idea.

It's an interesting question how the Band was marketed. When you read about the early years, it seems they were kind of uncomfortable with the musical marketing machine. They wanted to remain sort of anonymous and have it be all about the music rather than personality or looks or being shocking (just like Britney Spears.) I think nobody was too happy about the Big Pink Think contest to name Bob Dylan's painting.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 15:41:46 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Very thoughful and intelligent posts today. I guess I think of "commercialization" as a thing that exists throughout the capitalist world, not just an American thing, but I can understand Kalervo's point and the U.S. is probably the most aggressive marketer around, I had not realized it could be so overwhelming.

As for the U.S. using its economic power to get what it wants in international relations, as Brien Sz mentioned "if you don't do this our way, we will take our dollars and walk away": I always thought this is the way to go. After all, is this not a better way for an international power to excersize its influence, rather than at the point of a gun, which has been the traditional means of wielding power in this world for thousands of years?

Posted on Wed Mar 27 15:40:38 CET 2002 from du-tele3-009.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.9)

Peter Viney

Mickey Jones

In my idle looks through CD stores, I’ve often kept a vague eye out for Trini Lopez’s “At PJ’s” which I remember from 1963 and was interested in revisiting because the drummer of the trio was Mickey Jones. I finally founds a copy yesterday. A quote from the sleeve notes:

“Lopez also made a contribution to bringing folk further into the pop mainstream, the combination of folk material and danceable arrangments even foreshadowing folk-rock in some respects. Indeed, Marty Balin, founder of the Jefferson Airplane, has cited Lopez’s arrangments of folk music with electric instruments as part of his inspiration for pursuing folk-rock. It’s also interesting that Mickey Jones, after drumming on Lopez’s first Reprise hits, would be the drummer for the Hawks, the backup band for Bob Dylan’s 1966 world tour, though Levon Helm would replace Jones when the Hawks evolved into The Band.” – Richie Unterbeger, Collectors Choice re-release notes.

“At PJ’s” opens with “A-me-ri-ca” and includes “This Land is Your land” … but that’s another post!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 14:49:43 CET 2002 from (152.71.43.154)

Kerry

America the ... Thing

As a European, I feel that it's not the superabundant export of American TV, music etc that causes a problem. I'd like to think, although some would disagree, that I'm bright enough to choose the ones I want to buy, and, well, leave the rest. I'm uneasy about the moral/political values inherent in the idea that it's OK to just go everywhere and sell your product, and any problems are the buyers' problems. The cultural impact of mass US exports is devastating to other cultures, especially those who can't export back,or support a range of cultural product in competition. Do we really want a world full of little USA's?

Worse than that is the moral absolutism which tends to accompany US actions. "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of dangerous simplistic viewpoint which we should be trying to educate out of people by the end of adolescence. However inconvenient it may be, the world is full of shades of grey (sp.). In the case of The War Against Terrorism (incidentally providing us with one of the world's great acronyms), where does our freedom to choose go? I feel hemmed in by Bush's stance, and I'm not American: where does that leave democracy in the US? I think these are questions that have already been addressed, but in my opinion the way forward is not to bomb the wotsits off anyone who we don't understand, but to try to ge to the bottom of everyone's role in the global situation. Including the US's role.

As for Bunuel and the grammatology of European cinema... I don't think I'm in a position to dispute that, any more than a point about cheesey grits. As I suspect Luke is well aware.

Pisce and Loaves,

K.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 14:16:43 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

A world without America

The speculation about a world without American leads me to think... it would be almost the same. The major influence on world affairs from about 1700 to 1950 was Great Britain, a nation whose core values are remarkably similar to those of the United States. Great Britain's colonies, now independent, form the world's largest democracy (India), most accomodating haven for refugees per capita (Canada), the peacekeeper in troubled southeast Asia (Australia), and the world's fastest growing economy (Ireland). Surely an America which had remained British would have developed along those lines as well.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 13:45:01 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tj031.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.31)

Brien Sz

America Cont..,

Interesting insight Kalervo...,I guess we are just used to the rampant commercialization of everything here. it's part of the fabric of our culture, good/bad/indifferent. But as far as Soaps, TV shows, Movies (which i think you're leaning towards) why does your country bother importing them? If there was no demand for it, then you wouldn't want it..,Fortunatley or Unfortunaltely you are right.., the almighty dollar drives everything and our often misguided sense of what we need and want often falls into that very gray catagory - But man we Americans know how to sell gray! Here in America, many TV shows are really just glitzier versions of other shows from around the world - I believe Survivor was originally a Scandanavian show (i really wish you would have kept it)We also lift a lot of British shows, and twist them into guady versions of our own. OR does politics drive this rampant commercialization -Say the US tells Finland , "Hey if you don't open your doors to goods A, B, and C, Well then we have absolutely no use for your particular export -thank you but we'll go elsewhere...," Do you feel the US pulls some form of this strongarming tactic?..., By the way thanks for your insight.., as I've said I find it fascinating and not offensive.., I'm always on that journey for insight.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 13:27:55 CET 2002 from (203.197.109.164)

yazooman

americana

My 2 cents.....

Almost all the Americans I have known or had the pleasure of being in contact with are very fine people. Like nice people everywhere else in this world. The American folks on this GB are among the nicest I have known and I have learnt a lot from them.

However I am not too fond of the US govt people because I find them a bit too hegemonical (if such a word exists) at most times. They have put their fingers in too many pies at the same time. Most of my dislike stems frm the foreign role of the US gov. post WWII. Not that they did all bad work, but they didn't do much good.

But the spirit of the American people I admire a lot. Look at Levon....to me he is the American archtype, warts and all.

ciao

Posted on Wed Mar 27 09:05:53 CET 2002 from pd9e6785a.dip.t-dialin.net (217.230.120.90)

ulbiman

america again

....and without america there was always no free and democratic germany!!!

Posted on Wed Mar 27 08:41:56 CET 2002 from p50852fc0.dip.t-dialin.net (80.133.47.192)

ulbiman

america

For me the USA and the american way of life was always fazcinating and I loved it to travel through this land to see all the places where this Rock´n´Roll/ Country/ Blues/ Jazz -Thing started. But as a german (who knows much more of this Nazi-thing, which was the worst thing ever) please believe me, don´t be too patriotic and try to find a "healthy distance" to your country, be tolerant, try to understand others and fight any kind of anti-democratic influences! Without America there were no BAND.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 07:18:56 CET 2002 from 90.newark-08rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.174.90)

ned

I just stuck my head in that chat room. That’s a scary place. A lot of open space. Somebody could throw some serious leather over there. Oh man, I just sounded like that kid in school who pitted you against another kid just to see a fight at the end of the day. I apologize. But, humor me for a moment good people. With no diversity would there be no stimulation?

This GB is a cool place. Good natured interaction with people from all over the world - with at least one thing in common. Not to mention the web page from which the GB is attached - is THE source for all information about one of THE greatest bands in the history of modern music. Yeah, we talk about all kinds of things “non-topic” but that stimulates thought which creates new paths of perception – new ways to think outside the box. And that’s where music comes from. So I dig this place just the way it is – a back room united nations. “kick back and chill with my global homies in the GB and send a shout out to my man down in old Virginny”

The classic line of the week award - for me - goes to Bayou Sam for his comment about taking flack in the past for talking too much about George Harrison. It made me laugh out loud. That’s a good thing. And I do that a lot more of that than less these days when I come in here. Rock on peace loving, straight talking, good humored people. Good night and good morning!

Three more people have posted since I started writing this and they are right on. Has anyone heard a new song by Tom Pacheco called - I think, "A World Without America" ??

Posted on Wed Mar 27 06:57:41 CET 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Kalervo

What would you think?

Thanks for interesting post, many good points. And thanks to my true friend Ilkka, Ned, Pat and others understanding my point...Am I aggressively frustrated? Maybe ..because I am not the greatest friend of the western capitalism (including of course Europe and Finland).. But everyone who knows me can say that I am the tireless defender of what' s good in USA...

What would you think if USA has 5 million and Finland has 250 million people and you got for instance your television full of silly, plastic Finnish soup operas? I think Ned, Pat and some others see the point...I see that we are living in very addictive ('money the only God I worship you by being a good (=hysterical) consumer') culture. And it isn' t very hard to see which country is the most obvious example of this..

I hope you really see that I am the truthful lover of American culture (for instance I was the most regular visitor in American center library, the most books I read are American, the most artists I listen are American, thanks Bill W. and AA I have been sober for over 22 years, and I even have same kind of naivety than many Americans have etc...). That is why I am feeling the shadow of USA as my own case...

Little by little I ' ll turn to music...

Posted on Wed Mar 27 06:48:45 CET 2002 from pool-63.52.244.129.ipls.grid.net (63.52.244.129)

Bobby Jones

What If.....

With all this talk about America, I started to think What if there was no United States of America. What if there was no Boston Tea Party ot the battle of Trenton. What if we were Canada South? How would this have changed the histories of the nations of the world?

Is the world better off with America with all her worts?

My guess is YES - the world is better off with THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA than it would be without it.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 05:50:42 CET 2002 from dialup-63.208.64.149.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.208.64.149)

Pat Brennan

I think it's rather obvious what some of our European friends are saying. At the core of a certain segment of American business is the commercialization of almost every aspect of life. Some fad will occur in a subculture and before you can say Madonna, it will be aggressively marketed to the four points of the compass. Practically any moment in time which may contain a marketable aspect (check out the 9/11 entreaties to buy cars for instance) will be analyzed, broken down, and repackaged for mass consumption. Look at politics. Marketing is a central tenet of the American experience, and the world is the mall.

To keep this on topic, why not consider how The Band was marketed?

Posted on Wed Mar 27 04:21:46 CET 2002 from spider-wl054.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.44)

Bayou Sam

Misc. ramblings of a tired guy

Aw c'mon Butch - go for it.

I never liked Heinekin myself. Too bitter. I like Rolling Rock, Molson, Guiness.........

Geez the GB is wierd these days. America, Nazis, politics. I remember getting flack for talking about George Harrison too much one time. There have even been a couple of new visitors that tried to sneak in a Band post, only to get lost in the shuffle.

BTW - I drive a good old American Chevy Blazer.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 03:33:13 CET 2002 from 0-1pool73-170.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.73.170)

Charlie Young

Heroes in Music and Sports (and Real Life, Too)

Ned reminded me of the sports angle on Alan Edge's original "America" question. He also reminded me of one of my heroes from age 13 onward--Mickey Mantle. As with Rick Danko and Richard Manuel, he was one of my heroes that I was lucky enough to meet, to share a bit of conversation with--and, remarkably, he remained a hero. Then, depsite the revelations about his alcoholism and other shortcomings, I still admired the man. He was a small town kid from the rural heart of America, much like Levon Helm, a poor boy who made it big in the biggest spotlights in the biggest American cities. That he turned out to have human faults was perhaps unforgivable to some, but I still miss Mickey in much the same way I miss Rick and Richard, faults and all.

I was once a fan of that team Ned mentions, the Yankees, but now only go to the occasional Baltimore Orioles game. As a kid I idolized the mythic Johnny Unitas, but lost interest in pro football shortly after his era ended. I can't think of a single figure in the music world who retains the unvarnished heroic aura that Unitas has to me even today. Maybe it's best that I have never met him...

As a sidebar to this story of mythic men and heroism, I would suggest seeing the new film, WE WERE SOLDIERS. There is a great international message at the end about mutual respect for values and heroic deeds. It is brutally violent, but teaches the sort of lesssons that Pat mentions about the American Civil War. My father was in the Marine Corps in Viet Nam in 1965 (the time and place of the movie) and I realize now that he was really my first and last hero.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 02:59:36 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tb063.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.48)

butch

America The Beautiful

amazing the restraint im showing on this America topic,,,

The Last thing any of you want is me weighing in on THIS topic !!!

its a very volatile topic given the world theatre this Guest Book plays to,,,i think,,,,,,

so i will keep my own counsel on this one,,,,

enjoy yourselves,,,

Posted on Wed Mar 27 02:13:19 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

non Band related things

I was thinking about whether I should post again on the American thread and decided not to. But it got me thinking about non Band related threads and that they are useful in that they keep bringing people back to visit - and that may be why Jan tolerates them. After all we've got to talk about something until the next big Band event comes along.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 02:11:59 CET 2002 from 2cust71.tnt44.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.194.245.71)

John W.

Rollie - I don't see how I was skewering the facts. I had stated that Finland sided with the Nazis while the U.S. did not. These are historical facts. The only reason I apologized is because the Finnish side is they were opposing the Russians, more so than sympathizing with the Nazis. Americans were collaborating with the Nazis? Not too publicly after Dec. 7, 1941, I'm sure.

Norbert - As a matter of fact I have lots of friends who enjoy Heinekin. Or drive Mercedes Benz, etc. Nobody here says these products are being forced upon us. So I ask again, as Brian has done repeatedly but none of our European friends have answered, why do you seem to have the idea that American products are being forced upon you?

Posted on Wed Mar 27 00:55:54 CET 2002 from 1cust185.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.185)

rollie

JW-Skewering the facts again are we?

Posted on Wed Mar 27 00:07:27 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tg021.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.156)

Bayou Sam

.........Now - I don't want all you ladies from elswhere to yell at me. I was just trying to be amusing. I'm not always sucessful at it, which I've proven here before - but at least I try.

Posted on Wed Mar 27 00:04:25 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tg021.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.156)

Bayou Sam

You can'y visit the USA a couple of times and think you've got a handle on the whole place. I can drive a hundred miles and be in a quite different place. At the end of this week I'm driving with the family from NY to Florida. I've never been there. I'm looking forward to it.

Of course, America has the prettiest girls, no?

Posted on Tue Mar 26 23:39:55 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert

a heartfelt global sorry from Holland too!

Dear GB'rs,
Like America, Holland wants to apologies to the world too.

We too don't want to force our lifestyle up to you, it's not right to push all towards wooden shoes, windmills, tulips, joints, Marco Borsato and Heineken.

SORRY TO THE REST OF THE WORLD!

Ilkka, a good thing the cold war didn't leave the fridge ...... you would've end up with a hole in your pocked! (as all of us)

btw, Finland is ok, good people live there, like in all countries on this little planet.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 21:28:12 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Rollie - That's okay! They were fighting the Soviet Red Army!

Posted on Tue Mar 26 21:09:53 CET 2002 from pool-141-153-198-177.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.198.177)

Bumbles

Sniveling, cowardly, two-faced smartass speaks

Come on, Bobbo, what you received from me was a reply to one of your series of e-mails encouraging me to vote in some sort of online poll (“Levon is a friend, as is Butch…” went my favorite). Having no interest, I replied in a fashion I hoped would discourage further communication from you. I thought that had done the trick, when a couple of days ago, almost two months after the fact, you began barraging me with cryptic and unsettling messages. No doubt you identify strongly with your hero (touching in a man your age) and thought that engineering a stunning victory in the Modern Drummer HoF (is that the one?) poll would bring you closer to him, but try to realize that not everyone appreciates having you appear with increasing regularity in their mailbox. I am encouraged that your latest word on the matter appears in the guest book; that’s where the subject belonged all along. And you never did tell me: Did you win?

Posted on Tue Mar 26 21:04:20 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp0461.dialsprint.net (63.187.9.207)

rollie

John W.---There are numerous examples of U.S.citizens collaborating with or providing funding for the Nazis, the Bush family being the prime example.(refer to"Fortunate Son--George W.Bush and the making of an American President".)

Posted on Tue Mar 26 20:19:05 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Apologies if my immature comment offended anyone. It was done in anger and frustration as I feel this whole conversation is a trap, "Let's get the Yanks to reveal their feelings about why they have pride in their homeland and then try to criticize and point out all the flaws." In future my comments here will be strictly Band-related.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 19:47:49 CET 2002 from 133.piscataway-08rh16rt.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.79.133)

ned

global synergy for breakfast

Cheese grits for eveybody!

I take no offense to what Kalvero said. He is trying like the rest of us to put our finger on what it is that makes American patriots just that. No offense taken here. I understand his remarks about over exposure. That's for the most part, commercialism at work spilling over to other shores.

For as much as American commercialism is the reason most behind that - you must also realize that some of it is self perpetuated by folks in those other countries who desire American things. Their countrymen who feel America's plastic toys and fast paced lifestyles are being forced down their throats(that's an unfortunate visual)feel that way because other folks there (in their neighborhoods) feel the way they do.

Like John D says: even the Chinese want their Levis. So the desire for Americana by folks in those other countries IS RIGHT IN FRONT of your other countrymen's faces - who - could give two &$#@&'s about anything American. It's like global synergy - (oh jeez there I go speaking like it is late at night again - and time to re light the pipe)

Anyway, Kalvero - no worries mate (see what I mean about global synergy?)

John D, your posts continue to catch my fancy. IIkka -- nicely said. Briensz - you go my bro. (I understand you and Al started this whole thing - cool)

Pete Rivard - congratulations (ride the pride my brother!) John W - you go too bro - I know where your heart is. And all the other folks on this here GB - thanks - this is a real blast!

peace

Posted on Tue Mar 26 19:21:28 CET 2002 from du221-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.221)

Ilkka

Americana

To John W. - The United States planned nuclear weapon attacks durind the cold war against European Countries in case of... (The maps have been released in media.) One bomb should have been feld 5 miles from my cabin in Finland. It means that the coins in my pocket should have melted down! (Further disgussion via email, please.)

Posted on Tue Mar 26 19:08:54 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

My apologies to Kalervo, my last comment was a low blow.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 19:07:19 CET 2002 from du221-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.221)

Ilkka

Pax Americana

During the WW2 even the most hard-cored communists in Finland went to the war against the Soviet Red Army; in the same way I want to back up my brave Finnish compatriot KALERVO. Finland has 5 millions inhabitans - but several contributors in gb. Relatively, United Kingdom should have at least 20, Netherlands maybe 15 (well - Ragtime is 1 and Norbert is at least 14 ;-), Sweden (my current residence) 6, United States should have about 60. As a guy who will fly to "DAVE THE PHONE GUY COUNTRY" - Sierra Nevada that is - whenever he gets the money I don't share the same frustrated aggressivity like my true friend Kalervo. What I have in my mind is this strange PAX AMERICANA (the peace under the armed forces of the United States). Like Pax Romana under the Roman Imperium this will end only in one way... :-(

I have really enjoyed the thread AMERICANA. I think it is the nucleus of the music of The Band. Thanks to Alan Edge and the American contributors. I dedicate my all-american breakfast tomorrow for you :-)

Posted on Tue Mar 26 19:03:52 CET 2002 from oshst-016.olysteel.com (63.91.50.16)

bob wigo

Levon Helm--Reader's Poll-- Modern Drummer HOF

In early February I posted information concerning the aforementioned reader's poll. Since that time I have received a couple of rather nasty and frankly, immature emails from "Bumbles". He/she/it seems to think I have some personal motivation behind the posts. He/she/it has been demeaning and accusational. He/she/it is yet another example of someone who draws courage from the anonymity our cyber community provides.

I apologize for the nature of this post. It is always good to understand that sometimes people are nothing close to what they pretend to be.

For the record, my only motivation was to bring the poll to the attention of the GB and allow everyone here the opportunity to cast a vote for a talent we have appreciated for a very long time.

Thanks to everyone who continues to contribute to the positive nature of this wonderful site. My visits here continue to be enjoyable and educational.Peace and good health to you all.Thanks Jan.

As for you Bumbles.......there's no shortage of sniveling, cowardly, two-faced smartasses in the world. Aspire to something more.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 18:51:38 CET 2002 from spider-we061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.46)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

Pete's daughter

PETE: On a website dedicated to the pursuit of musical achievement & excellence, there is no need to feel you're bragging about your daughter's scholarship. Thanks for sharing the great news with us. As a proud Father of budding musicians, I say congratulations to you & your famiy.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 18:49:13 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

At least we didn't side with the Nazis in World War II (like Finland did).

Posted on Tue Mar 26 18:43:08 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

BRIAN SZ FORCING OF AMERICAAN CULTURE?

I don't believe that Americans force their culture on anyone. In my humble opinion.....here's what happens. In Canada's case we are right next door. We were raised on American Television and lived out our childhoods with Wild Bill Hickcok, Mickey Mouse and of course the love of my life Annette Funicello. In the case of other countries around the world I think that the music and right behind.....the fashion was something that people wanted. Just look at the Orient which are proud people........but do they want their Levi's. You bet. No it is not forced, it is just imitated because of the romance and passion for America. Oh one other thing.....depending on the era remember that a lot of youth saw America from around the world as "Freedom of Expression" which they wanted badly

Hope I said that OK?

Posted on Tue Mar 26 18:30:39 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Kalervo - To be honest I am not all that familiar with Finland but it ssems to have a lot of positives about it. If the guestbook thread was regarding Finland's citizens relationship with their homeland, and you expressed your appreciation for the positive aspects of your homeland that make you patriotic, would it be right for me to call you self-righteous?

Posted on Tue Mar 26 18:28:09 CET 2002 from spider-tr011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.176)

Brien Sz

Us Americans

Kalervo - Again I ask, why are Americans interpreted in this manner? I'm always fascinated by our perception abroad. What makes your Scandanavian way so cool? (not said in a sarcastic tone but in a serious inquisitive way)Do you believe the US should mind its own business more? Should we keep our noses out of other folks affairs more? I know my beliefs tend to drift towards a more isolationalist bent..., But what then.., Just curious

Posted on Tue Mar 26 17:57:29 CET 2002 from cranberry.cache.fi.jippii.net (195.197.160.12)

Kalervo

Defensiveness....

Luke and John...I have no need to put America down, but I don' t understand why you get defensive...and have this freedom of, from, in and out pathos...I really prefer self-critical,realistic and cool Scandinavian way to see ourselves...Ok forgive my English: instead of pompous I use self-righteous...

Posted on Tue Mar 26 17:31:21 CET 2002 from (12.162.211.129)

Pete Rivard

Music and Money

Not to brag, but:

Just got the notice in the mail yesterday that my daughter nailed a $2,000 a year annual scholarship TO PLAY MUSIC!!!!

Anytime you can play and get paid, that's a good thing. And if you've ever heard her onstage, you know she's worth every penny.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 17:25:13 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Hard Times at EMI/Capitol

Two weeks ago, during his keynote speech at the SXSW conference in Austin, Robbie Robertson chided the recording industry for abandoning artist development in favor of the "cheap thrill" of the instant hit. A week later, EMI Group in England, the parent of Mr. Robertson's current label Capitol, announced a "massive restructuring" involving the layoffs of 1800 workers (500 in the U.S.) and 400 acts. The big question is -- which artists will be given their walking papers? One can bet the decision will probably be based on sales, or rather the lack thereof.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 17:02:12 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tl073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.183)

Luke

America

Well, I guess I'll put my two cents in about America. I've traveled abroad and studied history quite a bit. My favorite city is London - but I'm always glad to get home. Now, Americans aren't perfect, but who is? I drive an old truck. I rake leaves. I shovel snow. No leaf or snowblowers here. Forget the quiche - I'll have a cheeseburger. No matter - In America, you get to choose. Citizens of many, many countries cannot make the same boast. I encourage all Americans to travel - anywhere. When you return home, you'll realize (even more)what a great country we have.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 16:58:00 CET 2002 from (203.94.239.11)

babukishan

baul of bengal/babukishan

"SOULMATE" baul/sufi music is doing super hit worldwide a unique cd's/album from universal/musicindia.....

Posted on Tue Mar 26 15:58:50 CET 2002 from ac8cee50.ipt.aol.com (172.140.238.80)

Jared

The Last Waltz

Does anyone know when The Last Waltz Premiere is? I know the SxSW one passed but I had heard the official MGM/ Scorcese one was going to be April 12 at the Ziegfield. Can anyone confirm this? Besides Dr. John, does anyone think anyone will actually show up?

Posted on Tue Mar 26 15:50:44 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

At first I was a bit put off by Kalervo's use of the word "pompous", but I looked it up and according to the dictionary I won't object to it. It means "excessively elevated or ornate; feeling or showing pride; loftiness". This as opposed to arrogant, haughty, or lordly, all of which involve feelings of superiority and disdain for presumed inferiors.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom of, and freedom from, religion. Freedom of speech. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The presumtion of innocence until proven guilty. Representative democracy. The right to bear arms. The right to dissent. Does it always work perfectly? Of course not, that's why we need dissenters from both left and right to keep on pointing out the problems. But do we have something to be proud, even pompous, about? Hell yeah.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 15:10:23 CET 2002 from spider-loh-td031.proxy.aol.com (195.93.48.161)

chris

Rockin chair

Hi, just caught up with Kerry's thoughts on Rockin Chair. It seems to me that those thoughts fit seamlessly with Robbie's admiration for Bunuel and other film makers. The constant shifting between land and sea seems to have a cinematic quality, a sense in which the action is seen switching between scenes - no great revelation given Robbie's nods to this line of influence. If this is the case then I guess the 'grammar' used in the lyric is more akin to the grammar of cinema than 'standard' grammar. Anyway, rick's first is on the deck so I'd better go and keep it company!

Posted on Tue Mar 26 14:38:42 CET 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Kalervo

America the beautiful and the over-exposed

When I was on a two-week course in Hazelden, one patient asked if I want to move to America. I saw his background belief was that everyone wants to move to USA. It was on my fourth visit in USA, during the time I surprisingly started to get a bit tired of USA. I had a little home sickness for a calmer, plainer and securer aura of Finland...

I am in the USA-Finland society and love the American culture, and I think I know more about it than at least 70 % of Americans. But I have this ambivalence towards USA, too, as I think the most citizens of this world have. And I think it is a healthy thing, because the shiny, plastic, commercial, violent, polluting and pompous side of USA is tragically over-exposed in this planet, through media, marketing, industry and military. The world has got too much of this candy.

Oh, the beauty of America: Spotted Eagle' s flute, Cassandra Wilson' s voice, Van Dyke Parks' musical visions, Lonnie Johnson' s guitar, Buddy Mondlock' s songs, Almaas' diamond heart experience, William Faulkner' s books, Gary Snyder' s poetry, people, enthusiasm....

Posted on Tue Mar 26 07:54:26 CET 2002 from 20.newark-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.130.20)

ned

"gonna have to serve somebody"

I decided to share this “profile of an American” with everyone instead of seperately threading it or sending it to Al’s crippled email box. As an American - and a lover of art, music and beauty - Muddy Waters, Mickey Mantle and the Band - and all else that is good - here is my take:

Maybe some of those U.S. wars weren’t all fought without ulterior motive, but as a boy in American I was raised up - at home and in school - to believe that the United States of America is good. “God Bless America” The US of A helps other nations who are being threatened or harmed. The US of A helps other peoples who are in danger and are hungry and oppressed. America fights for itself and what it believes in - and fights to protect its neighbors.

I was taught to respect justice and freedom and the American way. A way that affords all peoples the opportunity (including my ancestors) to come here, behave themselves, and be free from persecution to worship any God they choose.

The same “way” incidentally, that provides a tax exemption for those who organize their religious beliefs into a church for others to congregate. The American way is a good way. Sometimes it is naïve, in that it leaves itself open to miss use and abuse. But it is a good way. And it is a way that we all grew up protecting. It is a way that we all grew up being.

I was taught all men are created equal and the right thing is to care for people - feed the hungry, take care of the needy. That is what we are taught as children and in that; an unspoken responsibility is handed down from generations of Americans to generations of Americans. “Your gonna have to serve somebody…”

And “that” is what we have become as adults in America today -- mostly just regular good people who, although take plenty for granted – are always there to help one another - stranger or animal alike. We Americans “from them thar United States of America” are always ready, willing and able to rise to any occasion – no matter what the problem or crisis -- to serve somebody. We are taught to stand brave and proud as we do and to set a good example for others in the process.

When I hear others (in the free world especially) use the cynic’s tongue to lash out at America an analogy comes to mind -- I know a lot Americans understand this one; baseball fans who are not New York Yankees baseball fans - passionately hate the Yankees – and their fans. Why? For their success of course - for what they have - and for their perceived cockiness about it. Brits who are not Manchester football fans probably know what I mean. Sorry for the sports analogies – it must be getting late.

The point I’m trying to make is; how could I not love this place? How could I not feel pride and deep connection to what the United States of America stands for? I was born in the USA? It is the same ingrained, inbred allegiance certainly - just from the opposite perspective - of those born and raised to hate America... and its way.

God bless us all.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 07:06:21 CET 2002 from 1cust126.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.92.126)

Crabgrass

Country Names / Foreign Flicks / Chinese Pop

I don't see anything wrong with the United States of America being referred to as America as that's part of our country's name. Mexico and Canada are free to change their names to Mexico of America or Canada of America should they wish since they occupy part of the same continent. And are we supposed to refer to ourselves as United Statesans or USAns rather than Americans? Nonsense!!

Foreign movies? I've probably seen more foreign ones than Hollywood movies. Most folks don't want to read subtitles in foreign language films - there is a language barrier you know! The market here for foreign films has definitely expanded in the past decade or so and don't forget that English is more of a universal language on this planet than any other which explains in part the worldwide appeal of American films music, and culture.

How about pop music? Why aren't there any Japanese, Dutch, French, German, or Chinese pop songs on the radio? You answer.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 05:51:13 CET 2002 from qwest20813.utc.edu (208.45.208.13)

josh

the band -what else?

i did not know a great deal about the band prior to a report i was assigned for a class. i was familar with the song the "the weight" and i knew who robbie robertson was but thats about it. this site was very helpful

Posted on Tue Mar 26 04:16:56 CET 2002 from spider-ta013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.48)

Brien Sz

America's Influence

Rod - I've heard that complaint before about Americans (our forcing of our culture on others) How is that? Do we do it on purpose - Does it seem like we do it on purpose? I'm just looking for a good example..., Al or Peter, do you see that in England? How bout Hank? Is our influence a by-product of our status in the world? Would any country have to deal with this if they became the "next America"...,

Al, you know I love ya!!!!! I think I need to develop a craftier way of being sarcastic..,

Posted on Tue Mar 26 04:06:29 CET 2002 from dialup-65.57.11.186.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.57.11.186)

Pat Brennan

America

Wasn't the Brown album originally entitled "America"?

Rod, there have been a lot of foriegn movies that have been big hits here without American stars. Full Monty (stage hit also), The Commitments, and the one about the kid who wants to be in the ballet (which was great, somebody help me with the name). Oh yeah, the one about the British ladies who grow pot. It really seems that foriegn films are succeeding here in far greater numbers than before.

Somebody said if you want to know about America, read about the Civil War. It was fought to iron out some perceived inconsistencies in the Constitution, it politically impacted the forty years that followed, and we're still trying to come to grips with the social changes it wrought. I suppose that's enough. But if you go to a place like Gettysburg or Antietam or even Appomattox, you can really get a feel for what America means to her people. The sacrifice, the blindness, the bravery, the foolishness, the commitment to a cause, just about every element of the American character is on display at these places. Whether you wander around the sculpture park of Gettysburg or the offputting tranquility of Antietam or Appomattox, you'll find just about everything you need to know about Americans. But what is of particular interest is the discovery that this American Civil War was fought by Germans and Poles and Russians and Irish and French and Italians and Natives and British and Dutch and a few Chinese and Cubans and Mexicans and Africans and Jews and Canadians and.....And, really, that's what's great about America. We are basically a reflection of the entire world, gathered in one country committed to a concept of freedom and equality--well, we try--in which all are welcomed. Yeah, there are some pretty big problems, like the occasional un-elected president (in 1876, Rutherford Hayes lost to Samuel Tilden but still took office through some incredible chicanery, so there is precedence for the 2000 election), and some still find sexual dalliance a bigger crime than brazen corporate greed which isn't surprising since you pretty much have to be a millionaire to run for national office (or at least have a bunch of millionaire friends), but America is still a pretty cool place. Maybe the coolest.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 02:28:10 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

X-Country

Hey Bayou Sam-back in the old days when I was young, fearless, & not a little wild, summer of 74 to be specific, I hitchiked cross country with a buddy. Took us 4 days to get from Monterey CA to Niagra Falls. He stayed on there, it then took me and a lady an entire day to hitch from NF to Syracuse.Sadly, my buddy-Shoop-passed on a year or so ago,at the young age of 48. Killed his kidneys so bad that when they diagnosed it he was too far gone for dialysis.I made the drive from Syracuse to San Francisco with a couple week layover in Salt Lake City-solo, except for the hitchikers I fearlessly picked up-inOct- Nov of 76. Got into town 2 days before Thanksgiving, me and another buddy-Eric, who was the guy who originally turned me on to Dylan, then later The Band(he now lives in Austin and is determined to kill his kidneys and/or liver, whichever comes first)-walked from his place on Leavenworth St to Winterland, bought 2 tickets at face value-$25- from a scalper, and the rest, as they say, is history.We didn't walk back to Leavenworth St, more like stumbled. It is a dream of my wife and me to make the X-country drive together someday, all organs intact.Sadly, we won't be picking up any hitchikers.

Posted on Tue Mar 26 02:28:45 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

America

Being from a small city in a small country I've had that experience of awe in arriving in a big city for the first time many times - not New York unfortunately but other cities such as Sydney, Paris and London. Like NY these cities have their own legends and sometimes the reality can be different from what's in the books or TV but it's great to see them for yourself.

Whay annoys me (and many others I'm sure) alot about America is it's tendency to force it's culture and lifestyle down other peoples throats while not having alot of tolerance or interest of those from other societies. I know this is a gross generalization but this is how America is widely perceived. Why do "foriegn" movies for example need an American star to stand any chance of suceeding in the states?

Posted on Tue Mar 26 02:13:07 CET 2002 from (62.30.0.2)

Al Edge

AMERICANDOM

Well, if anybody was ever in doubt about the warmth of Americans, let them come to me and I'll put them straight.

As you know, I set out with the sincerest of intentions NOT to clog up the GB but it seems you cannot hold back the spring tide of the American's passion for his/her country.

As well as the GB getting flooded my talk21 in-box is also fighting for its breath as we speak, having been completely swamped by great-hearted people with their reflections on America.

The response has been truly overwhelming [not least Brian's initial onslaught!! - cheers Bri lad for that and for your subsequent reflections :-)]

There is so much useful and relevant information I have now received that my difficulty will be to extrapolate it all succesfully, interpret it, and integrate it with what I've already got.

On the evidence afforded here the essence has to be that quite apart from any patriotic fervour that may or may not be evident, your average American does indeed have that underlying connection to his/her homeland.

Such feeling is not universal, of course. Some consider it to be overstated and despair of all the razzamataz. There are also some with profound feelings of alienation arising from terribly moving personal experiences of enforced hardship and worse which relate the ruthless downside of some of the people who have had charge over this country.

Such instances apart, overall, I sense the bond I suspected existed has been evident. It may even exist still amidst these more harrowing circumstances. That is something I am yet to find out.

Just how strong it is and whether it is different from that present in other countries, is probably too nebulous a concept to pin down. Certainly, though, that seam of down-homeness has manifested itself enough in your mails and posts to tell me that there is very possibly something in my gut feeling about this concept tying Americans together and to their homeland like some vast tentacled umbilical cord. Often this attachment has been more apparent in what has NOT been said rather than in what actually HAS been said.

Personally I am convinced the 'pioneering gene' plays a role in all this. Exactly how and where I do not know but the fact that most white Americans are descended from people who got off their arses and crossed an ocean and that the ancestors of most black Americans survived intolerable conditions per se must I feel have a bearing somewhere along the line. Even if it's only in a subliminal 'we're all in this together' sort of way. Nor can the Hispanic section of the American community exactly be described as stick-in-the-muds. Perhaps all this is what Virginia Woolf was driving at, as David Powell kindly alerted us.

Finally a thank you to your Canadian cousins whose close to hand observations have been touching and truly insightful.

I will try to get round to individual replies if I can and have done so already in some cases.

Regards

Al Edge

Posted on Tue Mar 26 01:29:35 CET 2002 from spider-ta043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.63)

Charlie Young

Counting the Cars on the New Jersey Turnpike

America is about music to me, of course. I had the same experience as Bayou Sam as a child--riding across the USA by car, much of the time on the legendary road, Route 66. I remember begging change from my parents to feed the jukeboxes and play a new hit 45 by a group called the Byrds, "Mr. Tambourine Man." Later road songs that hit me were by the guy who wrote that song, as well as the ones from his former backup band. I also loved Paul Simon's road songs, and then Springseen's, but eventually discovered the archetypal source of much American road music: Chuck Berry.

For many years I thought that Chuck Berry's music was the ultimate expression of the American spirit, but I now realize that Woody Guthrie and THE SIMPSONS are just as significant...

Posted on Tue Mar 26 00:24:12 CET 2002 from spider-we031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.31)

Bayou Sam

......it has always bothered me a little that we call ourselves "America". We are only the "United States" of America.

Anyway - I posted a story a while back that David Letterman told on his first show back after we got attacked. He told of a small, poor town in Montana where the townfolks got together and had a fundraiser to sent some money to N.Y.C. to help. This was a town that had very little money and was just about surviving. Letterman said something to the effect that if that dosen't tell you something about this country than you just don't have a clue.

You know what I find amazing, and just gives me a big smile? Since Sept. 11th, every few weeks, there has been a news story on TV about how some town down south, or out west, raised the money and bought a fire truck - had it all pinted with FDNY, and sent it to a firehouse in NYC to replace ones that got crushed. These trucks are not cheap. I just think that's incredible, and makes me feel great to be a United States of North American (by way of The Bronx).

While I'm thinking of it - I crossed the country by car twice, with my family when I was younger. It is a wonderful thing to experience. The different States, the different people. If you ever get a chance to do it - do it.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 23:28:27 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp0830.dialsprint.net (63.187.11.68)

jeffrey

instruments (cont.)

This just in..." I just acquired a 1933 National Triolian, with a rare bakelite neck and headstock. Mike Dowling(legendary slide/finger picker/jazz guitar wizz) did the refret and neck attachment." Band connection? Didn't RM love to play these things? Americans, check out the web link.--Jeffrey(rollie, oh , whatever...)

Posted on Mon Mar 25 23:26:51 CET 2002 from 26.newark-16-17rs.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.134.26)

Ned

Paul Godfrey

Hey Paul. You're invited for cheese grits and rye toast, too. And God bless the London, Canada firefighters for their caring. Warm thanks from the Yanks.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 22:20:32 CET 2002 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

America

Very much in agreement with John D. Altho I am not a well travelled in USA as John.

In a conversation with Al I mentioned a local project in which the firefighters in London Canada put together for the NYFD. A fundraiser with the local radio station and local firefighters raised over $400,000 for the survivors of 911. Not bad for a city of 331,000 people. They followed up with a benefit hockey game...London Fighfighters vs. NYFD that was an absolute sellout.

Won't soon forget one night coming back from Lexington Mich. to Sarnia Ontario and I ran out of gas. An American stopped in his pickup and gave me enough gas to get to Canada. When I asked him how much I owed him, he would not take any money. Just asked me to help someone else out. The American hospitality I will not soon forget.

shineonpaulg

Posted on Mon Mar 25 22:20:08 CET 2002 from pub24.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.138)

pehr

new section on drawings/john D

I enjoyed the new section with drawings of the band!

John D. nice post about america. I am first generation, both my folks are from europe. I of ten feel something aki8n to what RR speaks of recalling his first trip to Arkansas. Something in the soil, air and water speak to me here. Other than that I just dont know.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 21:20:50 CET 2002 from atpm3-4-28.enter.net (208.137.243.176)

Zeppe

Have a nice trip, Jan. It might do you good to get away from this GB for a couple days. Hopefully, the America thread will be over by the time you get back. Have a happy Easter.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 20:53:15 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Environment

Jenny T - Your position makes sense about our planet but is a bit too ideological for the real world. Sure it would be nice if we could all live in non-polluting harmony with nature. The problem is that no where in recorded history has any people chosen not to take advantage of a means to make life easier. Our laundry detergent pollutes our rivers and oceans, right? Well are you going to forego the benefits of using it and do your laundry by beating it against a rock with a stick for six hours? It would be nice to live off the land with subsistence farming. But what about droughts and storms that can wipe out your whole year's work in a few minutes? And I am sure we don't want a smoke-and-pollution producing factory in our beautiful valley, but let me tell you, during the Depression people were only too happy to see those factories open up if it meant they could get jobs to put food on the table.

Recently there was a protest here in New York that was opposed to the opening of a new electrical power plant. They had music at the event, and the headliner was Patty Smith and her band. The ironic thing, as reported in one local paper, was that Patty Smith's band is fully electric and the "juice" they needed to power up the band had to be produced at one power plant or another.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 20:34:17 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

150 years ago

Jenny T -

150 years ago, one-seventh of all Americans were slaves. Their masters, and indeed anyone involved in the American economy, in part "earned their bread with the sweat of another man's brow." I don't know about you, but I think that forcing another person to do your work smacks of "unmanliness" more than taking advantage of a labor-saving device.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 20:08:33 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Randy Newman

Not only did Randy Newman finally win an Oscar, but he beat out Sting, Paul McCartney, Faith Hill & Enya!

One would hope that all American tourists don't behave like REM's Peter Buck (:-)

As Randy Newman once sang, in his great song "Political Science":

"No one like us, I don't know why.
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try.
And all around us, even our old friends put us down.
Let's drop the big one, see what happens."

Posted on Mon Mar 25 19:54:10 CET 2002 from 95.newark-08rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.174.95)

Ned

John D

Great post John D. I doubt I, or any of my friends could have said it better - and we're Americans. Your keen observations about America and your apparent reverence for the place is refreshing AND makes for good reading too.

I consider myself an American patriot(though I don't agree with all of our policies on all issues) -- but, I truely love my country. What I may love even more than America is Americana. All of the history and cultural richness -- like that of which the Band's wonderful music portrays. Your synopsis of such a place was moving and well received. Thank you.

If ever you plan to venture down to Jersey -- drop me a line. I would love to have you over for a "Home Cooked" meal. Pass the cheese grits and taters ma! Peace.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 19:33:12 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tf033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.33)

Brien Sz

USA revisited

It has been my experience in talking with cruise ship personell and folks who travel here from other countries, that Americans are a bit demanding when abroad. What they also say is, that of all the peoples who travel abroad, Americans have no problem dishing out the dough. They expect a certain quality of service and will pay for it. We are also more apt to tip well - very well at times.

A friend of mines parents retired to a nice quiet island off the coast of Venezula. That island has been trying to court American tourism because they know Americans spend cash. Right now, it's more of a European destination. Nothing wrong with that but the Europeans tend to want to discover and do things on their own and not pay for supposed peripheral services. Americans tend to want to be pampered and served and will pay big bucks for it, then leave a nice tip to boot. Americans demanding? Yes.., But certainly not light in the wallet for proper service rendered.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 19:17:02 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

USA

I must agree that the vast majority of Americans could be a bit more worldly. As one in the travel industry I have been fortunate enough to travel to London, Italy, Germany, Belgium, and Australia. I was surprised to learn that only 2 per cent of Americans actually have passports and I think we could all benefit by traveling abroad. It opens your eyes when you see the cultural differnece, and also you discover how people are all the same. There is definitely a perception among travel industry people in Europe that Americans are the most demanding, petulant and provincial tourists they have to deal with. I must admit myself, I was a bit upset that I could not get my coffee the way I do in New York and the hotels in Italy do not have ice machines on every floor! I suppose we have to enjoy the differences and the learning experience, instead of fighting that we want everything just like back in our hometowns. One thing I will say, for anyone considering a trip to Australia - do it, the place is great!

Posted on Mon Mar 25 18:55:55 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Virginia Woolf Was Not Afraid of America

"...while we have shadows that stalk behind us, they have a light that dances in front of them. That is what makes them the most interesting people in the world--they face the future, not the past."
--Virginia Woolf speaking about what differentiates Americans from the English

Posted on Mon Mar 25 18:17:26 CET 2002 from dv49m54.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.54.245)

Dexy

Question for Al Edge: I know this is a little late, but at the Liverpool tribute to George Harrison, I have read that not only was Paul there, but also Pete Best. Have you any idea whether the two spoke? Were they on stage at the same time? From all my reading about the Fabs, I've always understood that outside of one or two times when Pete was on the same bill (with another group), there has never been any kind of contact between him and the other three. Would be interesting to know whether he and Paul ran into each other back stage. Now, back to the other fued!

Posted on Mon Mar 25 17:56:15 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

USA

My perception of the America I was raised in can be found in the music of Bruce Springsteen. Backstreets, Jungleland, Factory, the albums Born to Run, Darkness, Born in the USA. Those songs capture the whole essence of "Growing Up" in semi-suburban, middle class, Northeast US of the '70's and '80's. I could identify with those stories and characters, because they were so realistic.

This in contrast to the stories and characters in the music of my other favorites, The Band. Their music portrayed an America of Dixie, Grampa on a porch in Ol' Virginny, a misty valley down in old dark Arkansas -- basically a vision of a place and time I had never seen but I loved to listen to it.

Until the events of 9/11, I always felt like New York was like a separate country from the rest of the U.S. After all, in spite of our civic pride in being the financial, economic, and cultural "capitol" of the nation, we were frequently subject to perjoritives from the residents of the smaller states. They did not seem to like our lifestyle or the crowded, gritty, culturally diverse, fast paced nature of life in the big city. We on the other hand wrote off their derision as redneck jealousy and provincialism./nThat is why on 9/11 I remember making my way home through the smoky chaos, my impression was that "New York" had been attacked. It was only by the end of that day, watching the news on TV, that I realized people from one end of the country to the other were mobilizing, donating blood, sending rescue teams, conducting fundraising drives, I actually got choked up when I saw that they were taking this as an attack on America, not just New York. For me, and I think many others, this broke down the old "New York vs. America" resentments and for the future, I think, whatever we are, we are one united country.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 17:21:44 CET 2002 from du-tele3-075.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.75)

Peter Viney

Ski slopes

Jenny- that idiot managed to get his way. Visit Disney's Blizzard Beach for artificial snow, or go and see the snow in the ski show at Disney-MGM. Artificial snow in Florida is a reality, weird as it seems. Come to think of it, we have an artificial ski training slope here in Bournemouth, UK, too!

John D. - you expressed sensations I often have in the USA brilliantly! The positive ones are all there. The one very minor negative is true, too. I recall Americans arguing in Mexico City because the hotel clerk said they'd need Mexican stamps on their letters to America. He couldn't persuade them that this had any logic. The letters were going to the USA, so they had American stamps on. Guess it's not totally illogical either, but it shows ignorance of the normal international conventions. I see today that my one other grouse- having all bills the same colour and size - is under review. Due to forgery they're going to bring in more colour (purple and silver?). Now's the chance to colour code the bills like everywhere else, plus differentiate sizes - I am still smarting from the flames when I last said this, so believe me, I've been well told off on this one already!

Posted on Mon Mar 25 17:20:49 CET 2002 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

Article of interest

The following article has a mention of Dylan.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002/2002-03-25-obrother.htm

Posted on Mon Mar 25 16:10:04 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

AL EDGE & AMERICA from a CANADIAN PERSPECTIVE

I am not an American ; therefore I probably don't belong in this thread; but I thought Al you might enjoy this persepective

If you look into the lyrics and the "feel" of The Band's music......you will see what it's like to "dream of Americana" from just under 100 miles from the border. I always remember members of The Band telling me that those songs would never have created "in that same way" if they had been raised in America. These lyrics were "felt" from afar. So many of us grew up in the fifties listening to the legendary "Hound" on the radio out of Buffalo; or John R. from Nashville. Out little radios would pull in the R&B and R&R from places that we could only dream about. New York, Los Angeles, Memphis and New Orleans. I live about 500 miles from NYC and it might as well have been 1,000,000 miles when I was a young boy

I remember my first trip to NYC, looking out of the cabs window as I saw the Empire State Building and the bridges linking the island to the other boroughs for the first time. It was breathtaking. All I could think about was the Brill Building, Tin Pan Alley etc.(being a music junkie) My first time driving through The Delta. As cheesy as it seems now.......seeing Graceland for the first time made me just stand there and stare when I truly realized that one man had changed the face of American Music and the way I felt about it. Heartbreak Hotel changed my life forever as a kid.

Turning the corner on a dirt road and seeing Big Pink was filled with emotion and I really have trouble putting that into words. Because I'm a "radio" professional I'm told that I'm not supposed to go ga ga over these things; but it's who I am. With the exception of The Catskills I now spend as much time as I can in the New Orleans area and of course because of Levon and Ronnie.....in Arkansas. Driving up to northern Arkansas for some "Poulet Bone." Amanda knows where I'm coming from. Nashville with it's history and of course on the day after The Academy Awards, remembering my first trip to Hollywood and probably embarrassing my friends as my eyes were "wide open" with every landmark I saw.

I'm older now; but every time I cross that imaginary 49th parallel and begin to drive south, I feel like I'm at home. Don't get me wrong. I love Canada; but many times I feel cheated for not growing up in America. I feel diplaced. For some reason when I am in Natchez my wife and I truly feel "at home."

Do I have any criticisms to my brothers and sisters south of the border. Oddly enough, just one. Not bad eh? It's the lack of knowledge about my country and the world in general. However my American friends all tell me the same thing, "John how can you expect them to know about your country, even though it's next door; when they don't know what's happening in the state right next door to them." When I was in Woodstock last time I actually had someone ask me if we used "dollars" in Canada. This was an educated person. I was so tempted to say, No we still use the yen." Not bad only finding one fault (in only a few I have met by the way...I'm not painting a broad brush by any means) in a country that I deeply love and the wonderful people that have always been exceptionally kind and wonderful to my family and I.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 16:10:25 CET 2002 from inktomi2-mid.server.ntl.com (62.254.64.5)

Dave P

I became a Band fan when I first heard 'Rag Mama Rag' in 1969. I bought 'The Band' album and was hooked. I have just watched 'The Last Waltz' for the about the hundreth time and it still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Love the site.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 16:07:16 CET 2002 from 0-1pool38-241.nas2.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.38.241)

Jenny T

One Last Thought

One thing strikes me as very ironic about all this: many Americans love to consider themselves (and parade themselves about) as deeply religious, yet most of these "cultural forces" are in direct opposition to the values theoretically upheld by every world religion. These include unselfishness, self-discipline, respect for reality/creation and its limits, MATERIAL SIMPLICITY (a fave of Jesus), patience, and respect for tradition when this fosters wholesome life. (When you have been almost run off the road by a huge luxury SUV with a Got Jesus? sticker, you begin to question Americans and their religiosity.)

Posted on Mon Mar 25 15:18:43 CET 2002 from 0-2pool44-157.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.44.157)

Jenny T

America P.S.

I just wanted to add that the "pursuit of impossible dreams" is also highly destructive. It made me think of that idiot once featured on the Daily Show who wanted to make a huge ski slope in Florida with plastic snow. I think we would create fewer ecological disasters if we learned to accept and think within the limits of the real world, just as a child learns that there are limits to what he ought to do.

Of course many Americans don't understand basic facts about the real world, like how the atmosphere is normally maintained, and how macroecological systems keep us alive. If they did, they might lose their desire for the biggest newest house and the biggest newest car.

Sorry I am ranting, but this all gets my dander up. A real survival kit suitable for today must include valuing simplicity and rejecting the childishness that has become our trademark. In the long run it makes for a richer, healthier life anyway.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 14:46:08 CET 2002 from 0-2pool44-157.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.44.157)

Jenny T

America

Dave Z: Notice how of these 7 cultural forces, 4 sound like the description of a whiny, pain-in-the-ass toddler:

1. insistence on choice: "Waaah, I want a pink one!" 2. obsession with big and more: "Waaah, I want the big twuck! He has more than I do!" 3. impatience with time: "Waaah, I want it NOW!" 4. fixation on what's new: "Waaah, now I want a new one!"

And I submit that 150 years ago we were not quite such a crybaby nation, needing a disinfected bubble boy life on Jello suspension vehicles and climate controlled McMansions and crappy food but at least it's fast and a new style or gadget every five minutes with all our desires met instantly even if we use way too much credit and our minds numbed as much as possible by TV or whatever is handy.

I think these so-called cultural forces are relatively new, and that a nation that was once thrifty and practical and not a bunch of sissies afraid to sweat a little doing something useful has somehow mutated into something embarrassingly childlike and "unmanly" if you'll excuse a sexist term. I mean how much of a man (I really mean adult) are you if you can't deal with a few inconveniences, some sweat, some cold, not following the latest idiotic trend and having to delay your gratification once in a while? How much of a man are you if you need the biggest, loudest, most inefficient machine to do all your work for you? If you are, in fact, embarrassed by manual work with muscles instead of big smelly machines? Yet the typical, sad pathetic suburban American is just such a helpless and delicate creature, even though he may try to work off his flab in a climate controlled gym to which he drives in a car that makes him feel like he is a man even though he isn't.

And you can call them "survival kits" until doomsday, but they will take us (and everyone else) down because these shallow values have created a tremendously wasteful lifestyle that eats up the forces that make the planet livable. Our desire to be always perfectly comfortable is making the planet as a whole decidedly less comfortable, and could very well make much or all of it actually unlivable, especially as people worldwide emulate our shortsightedly selfish ways.

Posted on Mon Mar 25 07:33:23 CET 2002 from spider-we053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.43)

Dave Z

Edge and America

Alan: Here are 7 cultural forces that define Americans, and how they impact business decisions: (1) Insistence on choice... (2) Pursuit of Impossible Dreams... (3) Obsession with Big and More... (4) Impatience with Time... (5) Acceptance of mistakes... (6) Urge to Improvise... and (7) Fixation on "WHATS NEW"... Source: A speech at the Master's Forum by Josh Hammond, lead author of The Stuff Americans Are Made Of, 1996... It also goes on to say: Cultural forces are unconscious survival kits. They are ways that groups organize themselves to meet biological and hierarchial needs. While opinions and trends are variable and can change instantly, cultural forces are orderly and take centuries to change...

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Dave Z

Edge & America

I luv America... and I support my government though I am usually highly critical of it at times... America is #1 baby... the world leader... the paradox for me is that the government supports capitalism (even to its negative extremes) as the culture on the one hand while most of its people prefer to practice a lifestyle more friendly to people in general on the other hand... OK, slam me... I'll just turn up my DFA CD so I can't hear...

Posted on Mon Mar 25 02:31:43 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tj054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.44)

JTull Fan

Al Edge and America

Alan: An interesting thread and I'd be happy to offer you an honet attempt at an explanation if you send me an email. I'd post one now, but I've been flying a lot lately and it's getting to me, from arctic Minnesota (GOD it was cold!) and off to Cincinnati in a few hours. I've had a lot I've wanted to post lately but my laptop is acting up and is only good for wacking hijackers across the head with. Stay good guys, will catch up soon over next weeks LONG weekend! Keep on Rocking! For me, some Theraflu....

Posted on Mon Mar 25 00:30:01 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp69988.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.191.83)

brown eyed girl

Spelling And Musicians

Of course the music of an artist is more important than spelling....no argument there.......I was actually reminded of the Spelling Police myself when I also...........misspelled a musician's name in the guestbook....and a poster called me on it......I make spelling mistakes all the time because I'm thinking about the music I want to share here....and not as much about my writing skills.....Also....I was trying to allude to a certain guestbook poster who's also a mean harp player....;-D.....BTW.....Isn't Garland's cover of 96 TEARS great?.....His version is similar to the original but.........raunchier............and the familiar organ throughout this song........so good.........great pay back song too.......

Posted on Mon Mar 25 00:22:40 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

Band Stuff

They just played Garth's DarkStar on the Grateful Dead Hour. The host, David Gans, also gave last years Band reissues a plug(I once heard him and his band play a loooong, jammy version of Rag Mama Rag}. And I'm glad Caledonia is making the cut on the new LW. One of my biggest laments was that they left it off the first time.It's a shame if Rick & Clapton singing All My Past Times doesn't make it. Mrs Bashful Bill and I thought long and hard about going down to Arkansas,esp. with the kids spending most of that week in Fla with their grandparents. Back in 94 we drove down and saw The Band,billed as Levon Helm and The Band, at the King Biscuit Blues Festival and it is one of our fonder memories(anyone know where I can get a tape of this show? you will be my hero forever!).We just couldn't work it out this time, with some other things goin on in our lives. Would love to see Levon with the Cate's though, and make that fearless leader of the road warriors, G-Man, jealous.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 23:16:38 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-te052.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.172)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

Garland JeffREYS

Hmmm...it seems that the exchange of ideas & personal experience takes a back seat to exact spelling, grammar & syntax. Jeffries or Jeffreys, the music remains the same.

Over the last couple years I have read posts that were illiterate but have never commented out of sheer respect for my fellow GB'er.

Let the world be aware : The Syracuse alumnae and cohort of "LOUUUU" Reed spells his name GARLAND JEFFREYS not GARLAND JEFFRIES. I'm forever indebted for this VITAL information.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 22:20:34 CET 2002 from du-tele3-094.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.94)

Peter Viney

Loreley DVD

My copy has no region code on the case, and on the actual DVD it says "This disc has no regional restriction" which should mean "Region 0" which should play on all machines, though it does have PAL (rather than the US "NTSC") marked on the case and disc. If your player can read PAL (see its instruction booklet, but most should) then it should play it.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 22:15:12 CET 2002 from adsl-61-133-77.rdu.bellsouth.net (208.61.133.77)

Bones

Steve H: Thanks for clearing up Rick's cameo in The Kids Are Alright. I've always wondered about that. In the days of DVD and bonus footage, we may see Rick in that movie one day after all.

I've been told that when Levon was being interviewed for the new DVD, the first thing he was interested in knowing about was whether "Caldonia" was going to make the cut. It does make the cut on the new CD box set, and I hope Levon is pleased. I can't wait!

Posted on Sun Mar 24 22:09:33 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-td014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.154)

Bumbles

Noted Syracuse Proto Punk Rocker

BEG: Congratulations. Of four recent posters to mention Garland Jeffreys, you are the only one to spell his name correctly. Curious, then, that you don't seem aware that "Lou" is spelled with only one "u." Either that or your "Louuuuu" is the most pointless and annoying affectation this side of Donald Joseph's "Patch."

Posted on Sun Mar 24 21:11:44 CET 2002 from 0-1pool39-250.nas2.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.39.250)

Jenny T

bonus tracks/America/jug bands/funky bass

Al: I am also really enjoying the bonus tracks, but more for the peek behind the scenes effect. Like when they goof up and laugh and say "my fault," or when you get a little glimpse into the process of figuring out how to do a song. Also for new songs I never heard before, like "Key to the Highway" and "Going Back to Memphis."

On America I have to say I have a deep love for what America could have been if it hadn't become "fat and bloated and sleek" (read radically unsustainable) to quote the Bible. My America is well on its way to being paved over, and not very attractively I might add.

I am wondering if you know there is kind of an Anglophile subculture over here, though many are total toffee-noses.

Tommy: One of my favorite educational moments in elementary school was when our student teacher made us into a jug band and taught us Will the Circle Be Unbroken. We had washtub bases, kazoos, and jugs and I wish I had a tape, though we probably stunk.

Ray: Rick was pretty funky for a white boy, eh?

Posted on Sun Mar 24 20:55:21 CET 2002 from 31-pool9.ras10.inind.tii-dial.net (206.148.144.31)

Jon

Levon Helm Tribute in Batesville, Arkansas and a Beer Question.

Butch, you said you wanted to know who's going to Arkansas. Just got my tickets in the mail. Got motel reservations. Do they sell beer at the Melba?

Posted on Sun Mar 24 20:08:19 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp69988.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.191.83)

brown eyed girl

Another Garland JeffREYS Fan

The first time I heard Garland Jeffreys was on the radio....WILD IN THE STREETS.....Louuuu was also singing his praises from the beginning.....They met at Syracuse University....He was regarded as a future singer-songwriter and a Louuuu acolyte......It has been noted that if New York and Boston produced folksingers in the style of Bob Dylan then Syracuse was the home of some of the future proto-punk rockers......

ESCAPE ARTIST 1981 has two great versions of CHRISTINE....first version is very slooooow and heartfelt while the second version is very upbeat skaaaaaaaaaa! Whenever I listen to 96 TEARS (written by Rudy Martinez) it reminds me of my youth skating to the cool music at the local Arena.....MATADOR AND MORE...1992 is a collection of some of his greatest written songs (1973-1979).....GHOST WRITER....NEW YORK SKYLINE....SPANISH TOWN....as well as a cover of Marley's NO WOMAN NO CRY.....Some musicians who worked with Garland on this recording....G.E. Smith, Roy Bittan, Linton Kwesi Johnson, Adrian Belew (even bagpipe), Earl "Wire" Lindo, one of the backing vocals.....Louuuu....;-D......It is not surprising that his music is very ECLECTIC as he is from various cultural backgrounds himself......I have posted about Garland before but I guess there has to be a Band connection before an artist is recognized for his/her own merits..:-D

"Escape from fear
Escape from rape
Escape from confinement
Escape if you're hooked on drugs
Escape from refinement
Escape from thieves and thugs
Escape from your loneliness
Escape from your past
Escape from Brooklyn
Escape at last
Escape Artist"
Escape Artist 1981

"Take me to the Matador
He will fill and ease my soul
He will give me confidence
When I think I've lost control".......
Matador 1992

Posted on Sun Mar 24 18:55:30 CET 2002 from spider-wg064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.49)

Harry & Mim

America

Friends:

We (Mim & I) tend to view America as one big contradiction. There are simultaneously many things to be extremely proud of, as well as many disgusting and embarassing episodes that make us scratch our heads and wonder how such a grand idea could have gone so wrong.

The bottom line may be that one of America's most attractive attributes - the democratic freedom to live and do as one pleases (for the most part) - is also the thing that allows for the obscene and ridiculous actions and beliefs of some of our citizens and visitors...

Still and all, there is no place we would rather call home. In our 225th year, there are activities and political decisions made every day that cause us to be glad to be "from here", and there are others that would cause our "founding fathers" to spin in their graves.

American - one big, fat, glorious, fascinating contradiction.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 18:17:44 CET 2002 from spider-tn084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.84)

butch

l.h. & the b.b.'s

last night,,,, our heros, Levon Helm & The Barn Burners put on ANOTHER great night of The Blues !!!!!!!!!!!!

The Castle in Hamburg, nj, ( a really cool venue & GRRRREAT people, there, )rocked to the sound of pure, real blues,,,

Chris & Pat,, Sarli & Levon ,, all on the same page,,musically,, "down in the groove",,,,,

they had as much fun as the audience,,,Big Joe & Doreen were there snapping photos,, joanie from the Blues society of NJ,, & other GB friends,,,,,,

next stop, april 6th @ The Towne Crier,,,with Jimmy Vivino & Mike Merritt,,,.......

then off to arkansas,,GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG yeah,,,,

see ya saturday in Pawling,,,,,,,

Posted on Sun Mar 24 16:19:26 CET 2002 from spider-tk022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.182)

Ben Turkel

Band Dvd question

Calvin, can you verify whether the Band 'Loreli' dvd is playable on region 1 (North American)dvd players? I've read conflicting things about this. I believe that the disc is listed at CDNow as a region free dvd that should play on any dvd player, but I remember when it was discussed here several months ago some people had said that this was not the case and that it wouldn't play on region 1 players. Any more info on this would be appreciated.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 16:06:39 CET 2002 from dialupb180.tcsn.uswest.net (209.180.114.180)

Kathleen

Little John of God song

I just really want the band to know how much the song Little John of God means to my son. My son's name is Joseph, he is 15 and has Cerebal Palsy. He cannot talk. The first time we heard the song ( a good friend was familair with it and brought it over for us to hear)my son started crying. When we first got the album I had to tape that song over and over on a cassett so he could listen to it almost non stop.Now when he hears it he gets really excited and it is one of his favorites. " You can say with your eyes what others only say inside" This descibes him so well. The whole song seems as if it was written for him. Thank you for a song that has so deeply touched all of us.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 07:13:17 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tb042.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.37)

Calvin

Band DVDs

Thought I'd share what a good day I had. I wandered into my favorite CD/DVD store in town today, My Generation in Cleveland, and started looking around. One of the reason it is my favorite local store is not only does in have a nice Band section it has individual sections for Robbie, Levon, and Rick. But today's find was in the DVDs. The live from LoreLey was entertaining, but the sights review is right, Rick seemed ill. But for the last hour I've sat entranced By Classic Albums-The Band. Listening to John Simon, Garth, Rick, Levon and Robbie speak in such depth about the music they created was amazing. Especially when Levon, John and Robby(Obviously at seperate times) started playing with the mixing boards and isolating different voices and instruments. I've gained new levels of appreciations for songs I had foolishly presumed I knew backwards and forwards. I also came away even more convinced that Robbie has load of respect for his bandmates as creative equals. But regardless, the best $20.00 I've spent in a long time. Also picked up a Buddy & Julie, and Julie Miller solo CD. Yep, they got their own section as well, another reason it's my favorite store for music in Cleveland. Like I said, a good day, and buy CLassic Albums if you get the chance.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 06:18:05 CET 2002 from 0-1pool189-227.nas25.somerville1.ma.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.189.227)

Ray

How I got to be a Band fan

I discovered this page about six months ago and have to say that I tune in regularly and I enjoy it a great deal. A tip of the hat to the folks who keep it going.

This is the story of how I became a Band fan... alright already, I know, nobody cares! But here I go anyway.

Being the good Beatles fan that I am I decided to go out and get tickets to see the very first edition of Ringo and the All-Stars when the tour dates had been announced. Got the tickets, my friends, some cold beer, my little brother(his 1st concert) and went to the Garden State Arts Center for the festivities. Needless to say it turned out to be a great show with lots of famous folks involved. Bruce even showed up to visit his pals Nils and Clarence. What really left the biggest impression though were the two guys that I knew the least about... Rick Danko and Levon Helm. I'll never forget it. Ringo opened with three songs and everyone is happy but then... Dr. John introduces his good friend "Leeeeevon Helm". Joe Walsh played a somewhat familiar guitar intro and the Garden State Arts Center erupts like a volcano. The bearded guy behind one of the drum kits sings like he owns the place and it seemed like eveyone knew the words but me "I pulled into Nazareth I was feeling bout half past dead". The bass player sings one of the verses and then they both team up for "catch a cannon ball now to take me down the line". Besides being a great performance of a great song the thing that struck me was that these two guys seemed like the two most humble down to earth rock stars I had ever seen. Rick Danko more than anyone else on the stage looked like he was having a genuinely good time and I should note that he sang a touching rendition of Buddy Hollys "Raining In My Heart".

A couple of days after the show I went out and got "The Bands Greatest Hits". So now I have "The Weight" and all these other really great songs including my still favorite "Life is a Carnival". I didn't know then that "Raining In My Heart" was a Buddy Holly tune and I remember being pissed that the studio cut of a song with such a great vocal performance wasn't on a greatest hits package.

So after that life goes on and a few years later at friends party I get a wiff of this really rockin song called "Remedy". The lead vocalist had a familiar voice and I had to see who was playing the song so I look at the CD jacket and it's The Band! The rest of the CD is fantastic so I go out and buy "Jericho" and enjoy it for all it's worth. Looking back I think the cool part was that I really didn't know about the Levon and Robbie fued. I knew that Robbie Robertson had been in The Band but they found this Jim Weider guy who can play the guitar like he invented it!

Jericho truly made me a Band fan so I guess I kind of took the backwards route. But after that I collected the rest of their catalogue and discovered some of the best (and I do mean best) music anyone could ever hear. The thing that grabbed me is the fact that The Bands music is very eclectic and can't really be labeled. They are a little Rock and Roll, a little R&B, a little Country, and even a little Dixie Land, how cool is that.

What I later on came to realize is that Robbie Robertson wrote so much of the material that they performed. He is also a great guitar player who could play like Roy Buchanan but took on an altogether different style because that's what the music called for. Say what you want but the lad can write great songs and play great guitar (I have some recordings of him with Ronnie & The Hawks and he kicks ass).

But wait... Levon is the most dynamic drummer I ever heard, Rick plays bass cooler than any white guy should, Richard plays good solid piano & sings like Ray Charles, and last but not least is Garth the virtuoso. What I also came to realize that these songs are good on their own but... they are great when five truly talented friends performed them together and had agreed that the songs are more important than any one persons own stamp. Levon, Robbie, Garth, Richard, and Rick all shared this attitiude! They had enough smarts to make their individual styles compliment the music rather than overpower it. Team effort made their music great and it will always be remembered.

I'll conclude by saying this "The music was the star of The Band and The Band was five smart musicians".

And that's my long winded opinion.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 04:56:18 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tj034.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.34)

Calvin

Alan's query on America

Susan is correct Alan, it is a touchy subject at the moment. God forbid you ask someone with a flag on their car why when they played the national anthem at a ballgame last year they sat on their ass drinking their beer. But to my mind there has always been a "My Mother drunk or sober", Mentality to my country, and I'm usually quite bothered by it. In the immediate aftermath of September 11th though I found it somewhat comforting, in a warm blanket sort of way. I think our patriotism boils down to 2 things. Americans tend to have more of a need for symbols to represent themselves than other nations, the flag waving isnt so much an of a great love of country as much as a "rally round the flag" mindset, if that makes sense. What I think makes us utterly unique though when compared to other countries is that not only do we believe we are the greatest country in the world, but I believe we alone among nations believes everyone wishes they were us. We like the symbols and we like feeling good about ourselves, a lot of our patriotism stems from that.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 02:32:55 CET 2002 from (62.31.64.2)

Al Edge

AMERICAN IDENTITY

I suppose the very simplistic way of asking this is - DO YOU LOVE AMERICA?

Perhaps the Bruce Springsteen song 'Born in the USA' might help make a bit clearer what I'm trying to glean. The song's protaganist hated much of what America had come to represent but still loved his country. There was a paradox created by the conflict between his outward disgust and his underlying bond to his country.

That's the area I'm trying to establish exists.

Such a paradox doesn't exist to a great extent in Britain any more. Especially amongst under 50's. I find there's patriots and cynics and not a lot in between. And the cynics tend not to 'love' their country that much any more. I don't think that's the case with you lot. But as I say mine is just a peripheral observation. Hence the question.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 02:15:43 CET 2002 from (62.31.64.2)

Al Edge

SUSAN - AMERICAN IDENTITY

First many thanks for the 'Released' analysis. I see most of the points but I'll have a good listen to all three again with your post in front of me. :-)

Re The American thing. Again thanks for going to the trouble. Like you I cringe at some of the jingoistic stuff.

However, what I'm trying to unearth - if it exists at all that is - is whether there is a sort of subliminal 'love' for America within most Americans that we British do not have - or perhaps no longer have. I have that love for Liverpool and its football team and yet I don't have it for Britain. Now I bet there are New Yorkers who have it for New York and the Yankees/Giants or whatever and ALSO for America itself.

Put another way, getting away from all the overt 'We LOVE the USA' cheerleader stuff is there an underlying American spirit that American people have?

Posted on Sun Mar 24 01:53:12 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-001ilurbap118.dialsprint.net (158.252.113.78)

Susan

Why Am I An American

Well, Alan, I think it's an overstatement. I've never lived in another culture, so I don't really have a basis for comparison. I do think we Americans as a body tend to examine ourselves as such a great deal, perhaps in worry that the invisible bonds will break in the face of major change. Certainly the jingoism is rampant just now; it's not safe to question the sudden proliferation of flags in commercial contexts (people are making flag cakes, for god's sake) but I'm not sure that we feel any greater bonds of identity than any other national group.

I live in a university town, not very far from the sports venues, and was very thankful to see the local team lose in a basketball tournament. It's hell around here when the team is in some big natiional event. I remember one time when it seemed as though someone was selling t-shirts on every corner, and my eye-glass people tried to interest me in having an orange and blue rose set in the corner of one lens. So I know sports fanaticism. I've always considered it a fairly harmless outlet for tribalism; a way of identifying the other and contesting with the other without actually going to war. But that's an obvious and simplistic idea. As you can no doubt tell I don't participate in that particular form of bonding.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 01:35:32 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-001ilurbap118.dialsprint.net (158.252.113.78)

Susan

I shall be released

At last time to listen and comment. Alan E. recently had his first experience of disk 2 of the Rock of Ages remasters and came to a new appreciation of "I Shall Be Released." I've always said my favorite version was on "Before The Flood", so I got out Big Ping, Rock of Ages and Before the Flood and listened to all three versions.

The RoA version is markedly slower than the other 2; BtF is taken at quite a clip for this song, and BP may be just a tad slower. Richard appears to set the pace on the live versions; at least the piano plays the first few notes, quarter notes, probably, although I have heard a boot of the source for BtF and it sounds like Robbie doing the count on that one. Otherwise the arrangement is quite similar for both live performances. The big difference with Big Pink is in the drums; BP has that strong snare rattle throughout, whereas live Levon plays his standard kit with nary a snare rattle. He seems to use cymbals fairly often instead. The guitar is more prominent on BtF than on the other two versions; piano dominates RoA, with organ floating in the back. On BP the most memorable instrument for me is that rattling snare. The organ and piano are about equally prominent, and guitar floats up here and there, including single notes during the vocal. On BtF the guitar fills are a big feature of the song; my resident guitar player analysed the fills for me when I was trying to figure out if the BtF version was the same as the boot of the LA performance, but I can't find the notes I made.

Levon seems more prominent on the chorus in the live versions; that 'eny daaay now' is unmistakable, as is his 'shiiiinein'. Richard's voice is rougher on both live versions; it's more mature and also more worn. For BtF he may well have been sick; on the boot there's quite a bit of coughing and throat clearing from the Band and Bob. It's also the end of the tour. Probably for this reason he does not use his falsetto at all in BtF, and I think it sounds fine; full of feeling. I never really understood why it always had to be sung in falsetto anyway; I prefer that range used for ornament and expression, not for the entire song, even if it's Aaron Neville.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 01:29:31 CET 2002 from (62.31.64.2)

Al Edge

FAVOUR

Er..cheers Brian lad...much obliged. Anything good on the box, mate?

Look I REALLY don't want to clog up the GB but if it's not too much trouble I wouldn't mind some decent feedback from American GB'ers on the basic theme of how you identity with and relate to your country.

The 'post' as Bri calls it isn't a post as you might have deduced but simply a passage that forms part of the introductory section to the book. The book itself is a celebration of great footballers from Liverpool Football Club through the various eras.

What I'm attempting to do is relate - through vignettes on these key players - the fundamental role a football club occupies in the lives of many people the world over - including my own - and whether this has changed down the years.

Contrary to the impression gleaned by the utterly charming Brian - who has clearly [perhaps, in fairness, understandably as I never explained myself fully] taken the thing out of context - I can assure you the main body of the book will in fact be good fun. I'm sure if Brian had read some of my postings he might have given me the benefit of the doubt on that - even if this bit itself is a wee bit 'heavy'.

Please remember folks, the view of what constitutes the 'average' American's attachment to his homeland is purely my peripheral observation. It may or may not have any basis in reality. My observation even on the basis of what I've seen on this GB is that it does. What I'd like, though, is your view on this if some of you wouldn't mind.

Hope this explains it a bit better.

Many thanks.

Al Edge

BTW I repeat what I said below, please send any comments to my E-MAIL. I'm sure those like Brian who aren't interested don't want to have to sift through the likes of his own posts or any more of mine.

Posted on Sun Mar 24 00:43:27 CET 2002 from spider-tn073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.78)

Brien Sz

Ahhh What..,

So you want to know about Americans.., How about a post where my eyes don't glaze over, I forgot your point and then took a skim through the rest..., Hey! I grew up on TV, keep it short and sweet - make your point, move on. This whole scholarly, rambling, long-winded, quasi self important dissertation at what you want to get at, that know one is really going to understand or care or even wonder why you would want to take on this seemingly benign anthropoligical journey into an Amereican sub-culture that has too many layers of blue collar bravado to examine and are so inane anyway that if i continue to write this my point seems to get lost but it doesn't really matter because if i go on long enough no one will get to the end of this to know that I'm just kinda goofin' on ya and you would hear what i'm getting at if ya didn't clap so loud.

Go Blue! Sehorn, over paid! Strahan over rated, Collins fortunate, Fassel, even more fortunate, Thunder and Lightning, more like passing showers. NY'ers know what i'm talkin' about!

Posted on Sat Mar 23 23:10:40 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al Edge

FAVOUR [piece to read if possible]

Forgot to attach relevant piece. Here it is:-

"In Invisible Republic, his insight into Bob Dylan and The Band’s Basement Tape legacy, the American writer Greil Marcus offers us a vision of America as the broad community to which all Americans belong. Either willingly or otherwise. It is a vision to which many American writers allude. The American dream for the proletariat. In print. Marcus reinforces this communal ideal with the notion of America being within and without every American, going on to depict the nation’s musical heritage as being at once the glue binding the concept together and the focus for much of what it feels like to be American. The Blues and Country and Bluegrass and Soul and above all their amalgam, Rock’n’Roll, not forgetting all their more recent street inspired variants, deliver it to Americans on a silver platter. What it means is that from the inhabitants of every large or small hick town community to the sophisticates of every neoned metropolis, it is as if every American needs to feel American to exist.

Now this may be a crude oversimplification of what Marcus is saying. It may be, too, an oversimplification of what is a complex and highly sophisticated state of existence. After all we are talking here of two hundred million souls and countless sub-cultures scattered across millions of square miles between two oceans and bridging several time-zones. Generalisations can be rendered, frankly, ludicrous. Presumptions invalid. And yet, from just this gist – and leaving aside that evocative 'binding' analogy of the music – we can see what Marcus is driving at. Indeed, in the light of the recent catastrophic events that have befallen America, we can view it possibly in sharper focus and perspective than ever before.

Fact is, his sentiments do capture nicely some essence of what it means to be American. It may exist merely as an ideal as far as many Americans are concerned. Nevertheless, that it exists at all gives Americans something - however nebulous - on which to focus and – possibly more so – to aspire towards being a part of. Indeed, it may even be the unconscious nature of such focus and aspirations in many cases lends an emphasis to the notion of being American, bequeathing it a panorama that to the outsider can seem romantic and mystic. A youthful John Lennon gazing from the Mersey ferryboat towards this land of dreams was surely one who felt this surge of wistful attraction to a place to which he'd never been other than in such dreams.

Certainly, this underlying sense of universal belonging; this virtual 'mother earth' Anericandom is something we British do not appear to possess.

There is simply no British equivalent to that broad American community. Sure we do have those British who are patriotic. Some jingoistically so. We also have the whole Celtic thing. Then we have some regions with identities as strong as the national one. Possibly stronger. The Geordie; the Liverpudlian most certainly. Yet such parochial identities are simply not comparable to that all embracing American ethos that Greil Marcus finds within his countrymen. Nor could it ever be so, such is the vastness of that American cloak.

What all this means is that we are confronted here by an ethos which on the one hand you cannot help but be awed by. On the other slightly envious of. At all times bemused and fascinated by. Little wonder the country invoking these contrasting emotions can hold such an attraction

And yet, if this ‘Americandom’ is not a patriotism or partisanship. One mirrored, shall we say, by a staunch nationalist green or orangeman in Ulster. If it is, categorically, not the American equivalent of Irishness or Welshness or Scottishness nor any other fervent patriotism. If the feelings aren’t quite fierce enough to qualify on those levels - strong enough yes - but not in that desperate heartfelt way that could almost be said to be a pre-requisite of nationalism. If, on the contrary, some Americans are just as likely to retain the homeland patriotism of their forefathers to almost the same degree of intensity as any patriotism for America…

…Then what exactly is it?

What is this Americandom that can harbour all its marginal races, creeds, and identities yet boast at its heart that all embracing sense of belonging to the vast American community? What is this common thread that can thrive merrily and independently amidst all the diversity, amidst all the inevitable strife inherent in such a huge melting pot?

They are questions that I am sure require a veritable cavalcade of answers. Behind each of the two hundred million souls there may lie an entire book explaining why it is the case and how it came to pass. This particular one is neither the place nor the vehicle to explore them. Rather we should draw from the concept that which would seem to underpin it.

In this connection, one thing right away does seem very striking. The American concept would seem to embrace rather more of a homespun identity than anything found within, shall we term it, conventional patriotism. Almost a sort of homeliness, you might say. You might even say it has a sort of ‘good ole boys’ feel to it. Odd in a country capable of such power and volatility, such estrangement and such upheaval that a down to earth quality should still underpin a country as vast as a continent. Sure, this can not be absolutely universal. Some Americans must, by definition, be marginalized; remain elusively beyond its reach. To fulfil its role, however, perhaps this Americandom does not need universality. What is needed is for the identity itself to have its own identity. Its own giant coat hook. One on which the inhabitants can hang together as an entity. Each and every American as an American.

Applying this universally can be revealing, perhaps even cleansing.

We are all blessed or cursed as the case maybe with a craving to belong. To something or someone. Be it family or friends, neighbourhood or community, works or boozer, society or club. Any or all. Something or anything. Very few of us can survive for long as complete islands. Emotionally or otherwise, man’s innate primeval desire to be gregarious – to be part of something more substantial than himself – will surface at some stage in most of us. No matter how some may believe otherwise, we all need that connection.

We read a book and we connect with something. We pick up a newspaper or magazine and something therein strikes a chord. It may be obscure. It may be prominent. It may be the subject. Or the object. The writer or the written about. The same with television, film or radio. A walk through a city admiring the buildings. The architect who envisaged them. The craftsmen who built them. A walk in the country. The country air or the blaze of colour. The cultivated farmland or the unspoilt woodland. Something, sometime, somewhere connects with everybody.

Americans, small or large town, city or wide open Prairie, mountain or valley, forest or river; most connect with America itself. They each appear to be linked by that indefinable spirit, that calling that invites them to be part of some giant community.

For over a hundred years in this country, football clubs have provided the British people with a connection. Demonstrably, this is nowhere near on the same cinematic scale as in actually belonging to America. Certainly, too, it lacks the comparable drama. Though it might be interesting to watch now and again just how Americans would cope with our penalty shoot-outs. Fact is, a follower of Watford AFC will not possess quite the same dramatic aura or street credibility cool as a denizen of the Bronx. Not even Elton John would claim that. There is still, however, that sense of attachment. And it is an acute and important attachment. In a country that sees any sense of the community it developed throughout the first seventy odd years of the twentieth century being eroded year by year, such a connection is actually far more significant than anybody might care to recognize. Or concede."

Posted on Sat Mar 23 21:42:53 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al Edge

A FAVOUR

FIRST

Jan, if this sort of thing is unacceptable for the GB then by all means delete it. I'll understand.

AMERICAN GB' ers

I'm writing my second book. In it I am drawing an analogy with Americans feeling for their country and football fans feeling for their club. Don't be offended. It is not done tritely. I wonder whether you could possibly read what I've said and let me know thro E -MAIL whether you think I have got a point or whether what I'm saying is off the mark. Please be frank as it IS only my peripheral observation and I really would value the opinion of those who actually are and feel American.

Thanks in anticipation

Posted on Sat Mar 23 21:40:50 CET 2002 from du-tele3-061.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.61)

Peter Viney

TLW

What? Rollie was at the Last Waltz? Why didn't anyone tell me!

On which, any comments about the listed participation by Levon & Garth I posted yesterday? I know they must have interview outtakes so don't assume it's new, but … is it?

Posted on Sat Mar 23 19:29:21 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp0822.dialsprint.net (63.187.11.60)

rollie

The Last Waltz

What? I'm not in the latest release? Scorcese, that rat&#??&=**.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 18:18:37 CET 2002 from spider-th024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.54)

Charlie Young

LAST WALTZ Bonus Footage

I wonder of the bonus footage from THE LAST WALTZ release on DVD will be of the same quality as the regualar film or of that crappy rough quality that often springs up on blooper reels or similar film outtake footage. I recently bought the Ken Burns DVD for his Mark Twain documentary that aired on PBS, partly because it touts outtakes that didn't air in the show I taped off TV. Guess what? Those outtakes are of awful quality and barely worth watching once, let alone repeatedly. They look as if the were not only dropped on the proverbial cutting room floor, but used to sweep it! I hope the same will not be true of the extra material from THE LAST WALTZ.

By the way, I heard a rumor that Rollie was at THE LAST WALTZ but doesn't even turn up in the bonus footage. That damn bastard Scorsese:)

Posted on Sat Mar 23 17:47:08 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Bassmanlee: you didn't mention Al's immortal "My Bologna" - "You're my favourite luncheon meat, luncheon meat ...".

And Bumbles, your mention of the Bonzos and personnel lists brings to mind the even more immortal "Intro and Outro" - J Arthur Rank on gong, the Count Basie Orchestra on triangle, and all that. Eric was listed on ukelele, so there's even a remote Band connection, I suppose.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 17:21:50 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tb084.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.59)

butch

ozark film festival

if anyone here is planning on attending the Ozark Film Festival, next month, ( featuring Levon's films )please let me know,, either privately or publicly,,,

thanks,,,,,,,,,,

too bad its the same week as The Last Waltz's re - release in NYC,,,, oh well,, heh,heh,heh,,,,,arkansas wins everytime,,,,,,

Posted on Sat Mar 23 16:07:11 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-235-static.surferz.net (64.80.53.235)

Diamond Lil

Thank you :-)

Appreciate those lyrics more than you know. Thank you.. so much.

I'd just like to say folks here are genuinely so very nice. More than once I've asked for help finding lyrics or cds or whatever, and the response is always so obliging (not to mention fast!). Thanks everyone.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 15:49:37 CET 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Dear John

Dear Lil

Click on web page above

Copyright Tommy Shaw

Posted on Sat Mar 23 15:20:05 CET 2002 from 209.236.161.25.cnjnet.com (209.236.161.25)

MIKEY LENAHAN

JIM WEIDER AND THE HONKY TONK GURUS

Hello Fans, Lets come out strong and check out Jim and the Boys at BB KING Blues Club in NYC 4-13-02. They go on at 8 pm, opening up for The Radiators. This will be a killer show for sure! Let's go G-Man, jump on that sled and head to NYC. The drinks are on Randy.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 15:05:11 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-114-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.114)

Diamond Lil

Request for (non-Band) Lyrics

Does anyone out there have the lyrics to a tune called "Dear John"? I think it may have been done by 'Styx'.. probably in the 80's. Thank you much if anyone can help.

It would be great to see the probably almost endless list of instruments that Garth plays actually posted here (I'm sure it would even break Al Edge's record for the looooongest post :-)..but I have to admit that other than the pleasure of hearing his background piano tinkerings while I've been giggling in the next room with Maud.. what's made me smile the most is his ability to make music with such things as empty gallon water containers. It's impossible not to smile when maestro Garth is blowing a tune in one of those and grinning :-)

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 10:13:37 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp1890.dialsprint.net (63.187.15.112)

Or Levon????

Instruments of the Gods!!!

Whaddya say Turkey Scratch?

Posted on Sat Mar 23 10:08:25 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp1890.dialsprint.net (63.187.15.112)

OK Garth! What do you play???????????

Honeyboys instruments(are three pages in the GB acceptable Jan?)

Ok Lil.....can we get Garth to buck up in here?Guaranteed to turn some heads I'm sure..........

Posted on Sat Mar 23 03:17:24 CET 2002 from (209.236.161.25)

Tommy Two Tumbs Fonte

INSTRUMENTS

My vote for the best Instrument are: and I am sure the G-MAN will agree with me: 1) Two Table Spoons ( while you slap them on your knee) 2) One Large Black Comb with Wax Paper 3) One Gallon Pickle Bucket with two wood sticks, you can also add a trash can lid for a cymbal.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 02:41:19 CET 2002 from spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.183)

Bayou Sam

I forgot about a little banjo-ukelele from 1922 that belonged to my grandma - and a late 50's Hofner Senator bass guitar like the one Stu Sutcliffe had in all those early Beatle photos.

I was working at a big public school in Queens, NYC one day about a year ago, and there was a big dumpster out front because they were doing a construction job at the school and throwing out alot of old stuff. As I walked past it I noticed what looked like the top of a bass drum sticking out. I didn't pay much attention until later when I walked by again and decided that I had to look. So I climbed up the dumpster and sitting right on top of some old chairs was this big old marching bass drum. It was blue sparkle, and when I spun it around to look at the nameplate, I discovered it was a Gretch. Well, there was no way I was letting this baby go to it's final reward yet. I have it up in the attic now.

Another trash story - I knew a guy, years ago, that worked on a garbage truck. He produced a snare drum one day that he found thrown out, and gave it to me. It is a Ludwig drum that looks like it goes back to about the late 30's, or early 40's.

I also got a set of LP Aspire bong drums two X-Mas' ago.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 02:35:02 CET 2002 from cache-har.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.133.118)

Al Edge

BONUS TRACKS

One of the biggest boons - of many I might add - for me discovering this website has been to discover the Remasters with their bonus tracks.

In particular the Rock of Ages ten bonus tracks is effectively an entire fresh album for me. I bought it this week. Playing it tonight I am staggered that these tracks have never been released before. Each one is a hitherto undiscovered treasure for me.

The huge surprise is 'I shall be Released'. I've listened to it half a dozen times now and I'm still trying to unearth what is different to the Big Pink version. That one was my least favourite track on Big Pink. I'll be honest I moreorless stopped playing it many years ago. Not because it's not good. It clearly is superb but I had simply never derived the same joy from it as the rest of BP. I would tend to skip it and leave it and 'Wheels' off car tapes. For me right from the start they never quite seemed to fit into the perfect Big Pink 'thing' along with the other tracks. Funnily enough I think Greil Marcus made reference to this in 'Mystery Train'. Another curious one for GB'ers who go back to '68 or earlier.

Here, however, on the new ROA I can't get enough of 'Released'. And I'm puzzled as to why at this moment. Anyone any light they can shed on this? Bear in mind it's only a few days I've heard it but I have to say I find it utterly captivating.

The other huge bonuses - The Rumor and Rockin Chair - again seem on these first hearings to be at least the equal of their original versions. I'm reluctant to say 'better', however tempted.

The Bob Dylan tracks are of course wonderful too.

Anyone similarly swept away? Am I just taking for granted the quality of the tracks on the original ROA? Should I stick to re-upholstered bedroom furniture and Weird Al?

Posted on Sat Mar 23 02:30:59 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

Instruments

I found out a few days ago that I will be inheriting a fine old set of keys (see photo link). A very helpful person identified it as a pump organ. I'll be able to examine it when I get to Arkansas next month. I wonder if it was made in Ireland, because of the shamrocks?

Jenny T: Your ebay comment made me laugh. I have an ebay addiction too...my husband is learning to live with it. I still don't know what I am going to do with my High On The Hog poster...it really doesn't fit the decor of our home.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 01:34:30 CET 2002 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

Instruments & Regrets

In the early 70's I picked up a Fender Electric 12 String. I think is used a Fender Bassman as the basic body. It was stolen out of a car one night in St. John New Brunswick after a gig. Great guitar..I miss it.

Many years ago a neighbour gave me a violin that was built in Bavaria, probably 150 years ago. It is in a wooden case. The inside covering has swastika's printed on it. (Much before the Nazi era understand) I don't play, but one time when Cocaine Carl Mathers was over for supper he played it. God he was good. I miss him a great deal. Besides my Gibson G45 12 string accoustic, the only other guitar I have is a very beat up spanish style instrument which I pick up and play occassionally.

shineonpaulg

Posted on Sat Mar 23 01:29:11 CET 2002 from atpm3-1-2.enter.net (208.137.243.12)

Zeppe

Musical Instruments

Might as well join in on this thread. Even though I don't consider myself a musician, I do have a little Yamaha keyboard that my parents got me for Christmas when I was 13. I'm trying to learn how to play. A while ago I bought a book on how to play keyboards. But I just can't find the time to sit down and learn. There are a few songs that I can play sections of. I can play the main melody to Chest Fever. I learned that by ear. It's easy because it's only four notes. I believe it's E - Fsharp - A - Aflat. It would be a dream for me to have Garth teach me how to play. But I'm sure I'd have to pay him alot more than $10/week.

I also have a toy piano that my 2 year old nephew plays with. Gotta start him young. Other instruments that I would love to play would be guitar, violin, mandolin, and harmonica. I tried playing horns but I just couldn't make any noise when I blew into them. So, I couldn't be a horn player.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 00:56:56 CET 2002 from 0-1pool39-106.nas2.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.39.106)

Jenny T

Stuff (Very Helpful, I Know)

Well speaking of instruments, yesterday I was looking at Ebay to see if there were any fabulous Band related items (or fruit bowls) and they were advertising a "Rick Danko bass" which made me think I must have it and mustn't tell the GB about it for fear of starting a bidding war. Well it turns out that this 60s style Ampeg bass with the scroll cutouts is called a Rick Danko bass even if it has only been played by Joe (or Jenny) Schmo. All you real musicians probably knew that.

Ebay is probably going to ruin my marriage, but the kids and I will be OK once they start carrying on Weird Al Yankovic's tradition. My cousin Scott went to Cal State San Luis Obispo with Al and said he is a real nice guy--my cousin was in a band called the Lonnies (now the Incredible Woodies) and they did some event together.

Also I wanted to say for the record that I am generally against Amish-bashing because I think many of their values are important ones we have lost, many of their farmers do a good job of protecting soils, water, other resources and living things and they also make beautiful haystacks. And the hats are very sexy! It's a good thing they don't have TVs or they would see how people misunderstand and dismiss them.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 00:28:50 CET 2002 from du-tele3-011.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.11)

Peter viney

Bishop's first question at JFK: Are there any brothels in NY?

As the Bishop landed at JFL, Reality TV 's Marvin Squirm asked, 'Are you going to visit any brothels here?' 'Are there any brothels in NY?' asked the Bishop ion shock. Sorry. My favourite headline.

From the Rhino site (see What's New): Two full-length audio commentaries are also included on the DVD. In one, Robertson and Scorsese provide a shot-by-shot narrative of the film with detailed memories of all aspects of the production. In the second commentary, remaining 'Band' members Levon Helm and Garth Hudson, musicians Hawkins and Mavis Staples, and various production crew members and music journalists tell tall tales, dissect lyrics and recollect the making of the legendary concert event.

Any comments? Did they have anything to do with it or not? Looking forward to an RR produced 5.1 mix too.

Posted on Sat Mar 23 00:14:44 CET 2002 from 0-1pool75-185.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.75.185)

Charlie Young

Midget Flushed Down Toilet By Mistake

Bumbles: I loved your headline so much that I couldn't resist passing along my own all-time favorite actual tabloid headline from the days before they were all so celebrity obsessed. That line always reminded me of prime 1960's Dylan wordplay (published by Dwarf Music, of course). I hope I haven't offended anyone in these more politically correct times.

As for the "gear" thread, the instruments around this house include a Fender acoustic guitar, a Casio keyboard, a 1929 Steinway grand piano that needs some work, various tambourines and banana or egg shaped shakers, a Hohner Blues Harp, Marine Band harmonica in the key of C and two jaw harps (one is broken because that is the only of these instruments I have yet to master).

Jenny: I think that you should work with your children on that Weird Al-style interpretation of "Chest Fever." The first line is a winner. I bought a near-mint copy of the original Three Dog Night vinyl album with their version of the song for a dollar the other day. I haven't had the nerve to play it yet...

Posted on Fri Mar 22 23:50:11 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al Edge

THE FRED THREAD

John D - I believe it centred around hair.

Evidently Freddy lost all of his. Gerry kept a resonable mop. Freddy asked Gerry to shave it off in empathy with his own follically challenged bonce. Gerry told him to piss off and the rest, as they say, is folklore.

Incidentally, I believe Freddie ended up as a barber's assistant in Dunfermiline. Some irony eh? It's said he's got the largest collection of hair clippings this side of the Atlantic. Whether it's true or not, of course, is anybody's guess. It could simply be just another hairy story!!

Holy Shit - anybody here swim? The bloody ferry's just capsized!!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 23:21:54 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert

Van's

driving home from work today, Van in the car, a working class hero? 1 instrument? ......don't know ...... but just great!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 23:18:08 CET 2002 from dialup-166.90.64.38.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.64.38)

Pat Brennan

Some of the promo material for the LW releases have said that use of the term "25th Anniversary" is a compromise between the actual concert (26 years ago) and the release of the movie (24 years ago). Seems fair to me.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 23:16:04 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Then again I did play an Accordion and also played in an all Accordion Band. That might be too embarrassing however.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 23:14:11 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Love Your Sense of Humour Mate

Al I love your sense of humour. I was thinking more along the lines of a Gerry & The Pacemakers thread and how he and his brother don't get along and why?

Posted on Fri Mar 22 23:08:29 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al Edge

THREADS

John D

You into bedroom furniture by any chance mate? Thought, you know, we could perhaps get a thread going :-)

Posted on Fri Mar 22 23:04:34 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al.Edge

Beautiful Noise

BK - well I'm blowed. If you're not the smartest cookie on this goddam site. I've been sat on the blessed thing these past ten years. And all that time the missus thought I was breaking wind!!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 22:56:22 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

The Blasters

I just finished listening to "Testament" The Blasters The Complete Slash Recordings. What a band. From what I have read their mini-reunion is over. The brothers Alvin just can't get along. How sad that people can't put their feelings aside and just make good music. Same could be said for a marriage I guess.

Don't take this wrong anybody; but I see why Jan has thought of the "complete thread." If you don't own or play instruments like me there is a lot of scrolling to do this past couple of days. It's not that it's not interesting; but when you don't play......

Posted on Fri Mar 22 22:50:00 CET 2002 from (130.219.229.173)

BK again

Al – I think the mouth-organ is probably under the beautifully re-upholstered Victorian….:-)

Posted on Fri Mar 22 22:44:10 CET 2002 from (130.219.229.173)

BK

Ahh... Gear... I love that!

I spent a long time in the instrument business, this is a subject near and dear to my heart. I love talking to people (or in this case reading) about what gear they use.

Mine:

A ’62 reissue Strat from ’89 (my primary guitar)

’78 Tele that I bought new way back when. Just had it refretted and it plays like Buttah!

’73 Les Paul Deluxe goldtop

’67 Martin D-18 with more mojo than I don’t know what

a beautiful metal body Dobro (model 33 I think) that my wife bought me for my birthday (you coulda knocked me down with a…)

’57 Martin A-style mandolin (looks like the one Levon is playing in the recently posted Landy b&w’s)

a 2 string folk instrument called a Dumbra that a close friend brought back from Kazakhstan.

Also a Fender Deluxe Reverb (my favorite amp), and a Fender “Hot Rod” Deluxe (my main gig amp)

Wow, that was fun!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 22:38:12 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Grinder's Switch

There was another group named Grinderswitch (one word without the apostrophe s) that recorded for the Capricorn label back in the '70s. Their bass player, Joe Dan Petty, was a roadie for the Allman Brothers. The group was best known as an opening act for ABB, Marshall Tucker and Charlie Daniels in their prime.

As fans of the Grand Ole Opry know, "Grinder's Switch" was the fictional town where Minnie Pearl (a/k/a Sarah Ophelia Cannon) set her humorous stories. In reality, Grinder's Switch was the name of a railroad switching station located near Ms. Cannon's hometown of Centreville, Tenneesee. She once described Grinder's Switch as "a place where there's no cancer, no Watergate, no Vietnam, no murder, no child abuse, none of the ugly and bitter things." I'm sure many of us would like to move to this "Mayberry-like" place.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 22:34:33 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al Edge

INSTRUMENTS AND STUFF

Been right through the loft and I can't find that damn mouth-organ anywhere!

Anyone know what time the bedroom furniture thread starts? We've got this beautifully late Victorian re-upholstered... :-)

Posted on Fri Mar 22 22:24:15 CET 2002 from host213-122-142-59.in-addr.btopenworld.com (213.122.142.59)

carl dodd

the band

Just a quick line to say what a great site this is. The BAND were the BEST ,their music means a lot to me.... Robbie-levon-Garth love you all, God bless Rick and Richard. one day in the next life we will all be together... Sincerely a True fan carl

Posted on Fri Mar 22 22:21:29 CET 2002 from spider-ta041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.61)

Brien Sz

Instruments

Just to chime in on what i once had..., When i was 23, my apartment had a bass (no name), trumpet - they were mine - Also in this abode was a Korg, and a Yamaha acoustic that belonged to friends.., well one day, a nice summer day mind you, i went out to play golf. Upon coming home, i noticed my door was open. As i got closer, i could tell the door was kicked in. You guessed it, B&E. Everything was gone! Including TV, stereo, microwave, and toaster. They tried to steal my records but the big box they were in bottomed out, so they left them. I replaced the stereo quickly, the bass came some time later, and i never played the trumpet again.., Nothing was ever retrieved. Oh! if recall correctly, I shot in the low 90's that day.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 22:09:50 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-th012.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.22)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

Garland Jeffries / Musical Insturments

While attending Pitt in the mid-seventies, one of my FAVORITE albums was "Ghost Writer" by Garland Jeffries. This LP is a perfect mix of Rock, Soul, Reggae, Early Punk etc... Thanks for the reminder. I'm gonna have to get the CD if it's available.

My collection of musical insturments consists of :

Red Ludwig Vistalite plexiglass drums purchased new in January of 1974, 24"x16" Bass, 8"x12" Tom, 9"x13" Tom, 16x16" Floor Tom. 1963 Ludwig SupraPhonic 100% brass 14"x 4 1/2" Snare drum with chrome plating (my first snare). I use this kit for my smaller gigs.

Yamaha Rock Tour Custom Maple, Black Metalflake Lacquer, Turbo series purchased new in Oct. 1992 (all Tom-Toms congruent in diameter & depth): 24"x18" Bass, 10"x10" Tom, 12"x12" Tom, 14"x14" Tom, 16"x16" Tom, 18"x18" Tom, Yamaha Rack Mount, Peter Erskine Maple 14"x 5 1/2" snare drum, Yamaha double braced boom hardware, 20" Paiste 2002 Heavy Rock Ride Cymbal, 20" Paiste China Boy Cymbal, (2) 14" Paiste 2002 sound edge Hi-Hat Cymbals, 16" Paiste Signature Series "Fast" Crash Cymbal, 18" Paiste Signature Series Medium-Fast Crash Cymbal, 14" Paiste Signature Series Paper-Thin Crash Cymbal. Yamaha Bass Drum Pedal (twin beater), AKG D-112 Bass Drum Microphone, Shure SM-57 Microphone (on the snare),(5) Audio Technica microphones on the Toms, Audio Technica Condenser Microphone (overhead).

Pearl Maple Piccolo 13"x 3 1/2" Snare Drum (great effect for certain tunes), Shure SM-58 Beta Vocal Microphone

Conn French Horn (I sat 1st. chair in H.S. 1967-1972), Conn Trumpet, Peavey 6 string Electric Guitar, Fender 1978 Vibrolux Amplifier, Ovation Acoustic/Electric 6 string Guitar, Various assorted Percussion Insturments ie Cowbells, Tambourines, Chimes, Woodblocks ETC.....

Over the last 35 yrs. I've found that musical insturments are like money....you can never have too much.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 21:37:58 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.152)

Bumbles

Headless body in topless bar

My first post with a header so I thought I’d use an old NY Post favorite.

B_MUNSON: Interesting information about Grinder Switch. Their Vanguard CD is in print and available on CD. I’m always curious when I see producer Lewis Merenstein’s name. I’m not aware of many projects he worked on, but in addition to producing “Astral Weeks”---kind of a lifetime achievement in & of itself---he also produced one of the very few albums I think of as Band-like: John Cale’s solo debut, “Vintage Violence.” Grinder Switch were involved with that album as well. Garland Jeffries contributed verse to the liner notes and some very prominent backing vocals to the tracks, and the rest of the band (with Harvey Brooks in place of Bob Piazza) are given “special thanks.” As they’re the only musicians listed, I assume they were the backing band.

D_JOSEPH: If you’re really stumped for a topic, why not list your “gear,” paying, as the Bonzo Dog Band put it, “minute & tedious attention to detail.”

Posted on Fri Mar 22 20:54:03 CET 2002 from atpm3-6-65.enter.net (208.137.244.121)

Zeppe

TLW "25th Anniversary"

Donald: I think the "25th Anniversary" label on TLW is just another marketing ploy. They gotta try anything just to sell as many copies as they can. Back in 1998, they showed TLW on VH1 because it was the "20th" anniversary. It was 20 years since the movie. Did they intend to release the DVD just in time to mark the 25th anniversary of the concert? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, they have to add that "25 Anniversary" marking just to make it look more special to the fans.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 20:43:47 CET 2002 from 0-1pool34-12.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.34.12)

Jenny T

Weird Al

I guess I thought Weird Al was more of an international supahstah than he is! Sorry! He is most popular with pre-teen boys, but some of his songs are chuckle-inducing, at least the first time you hear them: the Annakin Sky/American Pie ("someday later may be Vader now he's just a small fry" was pretty funny. Living near Amish country we enjoy "I've churned butter once or twice, living in an Amish paradise." But has he ever milked a cow?

Posted on Fri Mar 22 20:06:06 CET 2002 from 56k-la-01-26.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.89)

Dave the Phone Guy

I started a thread?

Wow! You guys really love me. Joking aside, thanks for all the responses so far.

'63 Fender P-Bass rosewood neck all orig.

'76 Music Man Stingray Bass(Leo Fender had just started his new company after selling Fender to CBS)

1970 Martin D-18(traded my first ever new instrument,a '67 Fender Jazz Bass for it. That was a dumb mistake.(losing the J-Bass not the gaining the Martin)

'62 vintage re-issue Fender Stratocaster.(this is a new Fender Strat designed exactly as the 1962 model)She has the noisy single-coil pick-ups.Hey Dave down in Georgia,,,are the over-wound fat PUPS the noiseless kind that Fender is now offering? I'm thinking about trying Kinman's.

'62 vintage re-issue Fender Jazz Bass(exact replica of the original)This one's olympic white, the other electrics are all 3-color sunburst.

I just re-amped. Brand new Fender Cyber-Twin guitar amp and a SWR Super Redhead bass amp. The SWR rig is totally Pro. I'm very happy w/ it. The Cyber-Twin was a bit of a compromise. It has lots of versatility and features but I'm probably gonna swap the equipped Celestion speakers for Fane speakers.

Hey P.Viney,,,,Fane speakers are a British Co. Peter,,,,I just heard thru a mutual friend that David Hayes just left for Europe to do a few w/ Van.(at least Van will have a great keyboard player this time around.

O.K.,let's here what'cha got Jan!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 20:04:46 CET 2002 from l4duppx2.hewitt.com (63.73.213.5)

Donald Joseph

"25 year" anniversary

OK, I finally got a beef: All the Last Waltz hoopla talks about comemorating the so-called "25th" anniversary. The concert was in Nov. '76, which puts the 25 year anniversary at last November, 2001. The movie was released in Spring '78, making the 25 year anniversary Spring 2003. So why on Earth is this thing being released in Spring 2002? By my calculation, Spring 2002 is the 25th anniversary of absolutely nothing; last year was the concert's 25th, and next year is the movie's 25th.

If this has already been asked and answered on the Guestbook, sorry.

Perhaps my question would make a good "keynote" topic for next years SXSW. Could someone pls. submit this idea to the event's organizers?

Posted on Fri Mar 22 20:03:09 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al Edge

WEIRD AL

Like a sturgeon lol :-)

Count me in!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 19:03:04 CET 2002 from du213-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.213)

Ilkka

Instruments

It is amazing! The instruments from gb people could fill up an average music store! I have always wanted to own a BASS BALALAIKA (see Pete Rivard's post). I had once an ordinary balaika from St Petersburg (former Leningrad). A friend to mine converted it to an electric balalaika. Those were the days, my friend...

What is left now is a only a Höfner bass, a Scottish bag pipe, a horn made of birch-bark - once used by Finnish shepherds, and my lifelong favorites: several M. Hohner Echo Super Vamper blues harps (btw seen on my vCard Web page.) The only ones which I still play every day.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 18:54:31 CET 2002 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

lee, again

GB Serendipity

While killing time between appointments yesterday browsed a chain record store in the local mall in the small where I was. Among other things, picked up a copy of Garland Jefferies' "Don't Call Me Buckwheat" from the bargain bin. And lo and behold his name comes up in the GB! Had no idea there was a Band connection.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 18:48:25 CET 2002 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

bassmanlee

What a Weird Al is

I was wondering how that was going to translate! "Budding Weird Als" means her youngsters were emulating Weird Al Yankovic, accordian playing musical humorist popular over here amongst the younger set. Sort of Spike Jones for the video generation. You can check out Al at the link above. Al's musical/video "hits" include "Eat It" (after the Gloved One's "Beat It"), "Like A Sturgeon", "Smells Like Nirvana", "Headline News" (parody of Crash Test Dummies "Hmmm, Hmmm, Hmmm, Hmmm" featuring then recent current events), and his latest masterpiece "The Saga Begins" which recounts the storyline of the Star Wars movie The Phantom Menace to the tune of "American Pie". (Not all his songs are mutated covers - some are original.) Much of his stuff probably does not travel well outside of the States. ("Amish Paradise", for example.) Sophomoric stuff, to be sure, but it has its charms...

Posted on Fri Mar 22 18:42:42 CET 2002 from spider-tp043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.193)

Calvin

John W. VH-1 saw a recent behind the music about Weird Al-he laughed off "come back." It seems that every single Weird Al ALbum has at least gone Gold, he just goes a couple years before every realease. He said he though it was because he isnt heard of for a couple of years and then there he is again. But it seems even at his worst point he is a top seller. Kind of funny

Posted on Fri Mar 22 18:36:11 CET 2002 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

Instruments???

For 30 years I've had a 1963 Gibson G45 12 String Accoustic and the Gibson Faultless Case.

shineonpaulg

Posted on Fri Mar 22 18:16:22 CET 2002 from (158.72.68.196)

Steve H

Kids Are Alright

I'm the person who met Pete Townshend 20 years ago and asked about Rick's name being in the credits. Rick had been hanging with Keith Moon in LA and was in some footage. But the credits were done before the final edit of the film and that footage got cut. Townshend said if they ever quit fighting with the director, they might put out a "Director's Cut" with unreleased material. Don't know what happened with that.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 18:12:56 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Wow, you guys have a lot of gear! I have a Fisher-Price xylophone from when my daughter was a baby. The "stick" is attached by a string, so you can't lose it! I never learned to play it, though.

Al - "Weird Al" Yankovich is a comical singer who makes up strange lyrics to cover pop hits, frequently to gastronomic themes. He had a couple of hits back in the '80's ("Like a Sturgeon", "Eat It".) I think he is still working on a comeback. Is he not big over in the U.K.?

Posted on Fri Mar 22 17:19:17 CET 2002 from st-catherines-ppp112497.sympatico.ca (216.209.140.126)

Richard Patterson

Fab Gear

Gear? OK...

1 1974 Gibson Les Paul Jr. electric (double cut-out, 2 single coil pick-ups)

1 Guild D-25 acoustic (electronics built in - thanks for the idea for this purchase Rick Danko)

Marshall amp - soon to be Fender as more versatile with both guitars

Various harmonicas (w/rack : )

With all the people responding to this question, I'd say we have the makings of any number of Band Guest Book Bands here... : )

Posted on Fri Mar 22 17:18:40 CET 2002 from ppp-1-86.5800-11.telinco.net (212.1.152.86)

Al Edge

Weird Als

Jenny T,

What's a weird Al?

Just asking

Hmmmph!

Al

Posted on Fri Mar 22 17:08:09 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Weapons of Choice

I play a late-'80s Fender American Standard Telecaster, blonde with maple fretboard. I just recently acquired a brand new Fender American Fat Strat Texas Special, "seinna sunburst" ash with maple neck. The fancy name indicates that it's a Stratocaster equipped with two over-wound single coil pickups, along with a Seymour Duncan humbucking in the bridge position.

I have two small tube amps, an ancient '60s model Epiphone Pacemaker (with a killer, built-in vintage tremelo) and a Fender Blues Jr.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 15:58:23 CET 2002 from 0-2pool44-94.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.44.94)

Jenny T

Kids Are Alright

Pehr: Well that is too bad about Rick ending up on the cutting room floor, especially since I wasted 2 1/2 hours yesterday watching the thing. Not that it didn't have its moments but I am supposed to be making myself somewhat useful during the day, and it wasn't worth the guilt.

And speaking of kids being alright, my budding Weird Als (10 and 7) have taken to singing their own version of Chest Fever but I guess they are not the first. However, they may be the first to start out with "I love cheese and crackers" and have it mostly be about bodily functions.

The younger one seems to have a great sense of rhythm, and I would like to ask the musicians here what lessons we should offer him. He is constantly making perfect, intricate little rhythms with his mouth--he even does it in church and people think he adds a lot to the songs. He also does it with his hands and three people have told me they are sure he is a born drummer. So should he start out on piano or what and what is the right age?

Posted on Fri Mar 22 15:54:39 CET 2002 from brsras1-074.ras.brs.cantv.net (200.44.29.74)

REINALDO SANCHEZ

CD-AUDIO RECORDINGS

I AM A 22-YEAR-OLD MALE UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR(Ph.D.) OF JAZZ MUSIC HISTORY AND I JUST NEED SOMEONE TO SEND ME CD-AUDIO RECORDINGS CONTAINING OLD OR NEW JAZZ MUSIC MADE IN ANY COUNTRY. THIS IS FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES TO GET BETTER MY CLASSES AND STUDENTS´LEARNING QUALITY. MY POSTAL ADDRESS FOR DELIVERY IS: Mr. REINALDO SANCHEZ, CALLE DE 5 JULIO 2-22, BARINAS EDO BARINAS 5201, VENEZUELA.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 15:50:34 CET 2002 from spider-wo031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.31)

franko

gear

ME - 1999 Fender American Standard Telecaster, natural ash w/maple board. 1980 Yamaha acoustic guitar. Fender Blues Jr. tube amp. I do have my eye on the strat advertised at the attached web site. Supposedly, Jimmy Hendrickson played it.

KIDS - 1900 Steinway Grand piano, Model B. Casio keyboard. Fender 3/4 size Stratocaster. Various harmonicas and recorders.

Bones - Are HOF induction tickets made available to the public, or do you have to know someone to attend?

Posted on Fri Mar 22 15:08:06 CET 2002 from dv49m54.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.54.245)

Dexy

BONES -- You're right, SOMETHING IS WRONG was a knockout. Sam is a killer, really the highlight of the show as presented on VH1. DONABIE -- I'd have to see the commercial again to confirm whether you ever really get a good look ag LH, GH, RD and/or RM, but it ain't much. Signed Dexy (not "Dexie" as I recently typed for some reason...)

Posted on Fri Mar 22 13:05:13 CET 2002 from cache-bas-hsi.cableinet.co.uk (62.31.224.1)

Al Edge

Instruments

We've got a mouth-organ in the loft.

I think. :-)

Posted on Fri Mar 22 11:59:46 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-221-static.surferz.net (64.80.53.221)

Diamond Lil

Music in our houses

I'm really enjoying reading about all the instruments everyone has (and I'm very glad I don't have to dust your houses :-) We have a whole bunch here as well. Forgive me for not knowing all the name brands as most of them are my sons, but the things I trip over almost daily include: 2 keyboards (one Yamaha, one Hohner), 2 trumpets, a black tenor sax, 2 alto saxes, a baritone sax, a baritone horn, one pretty beat up acoustic guitar, an electic guitar, 2 accordions (one's a Hohner and that's mine), 2 trombones, a french horn, and several harmonicas. Come to think of it, I wish I didn't have to dust _this_ place either! :-)

We had the pleasure of seeing a stage production of "Footloose" last night..and it was incredible! It's only recently off Broadway..and pretty new to the local stages. In fact, we saw the first of only three productions of it thus far. If it ever comes by you.. do yourself a favor and see it. Some of the tunes in it you'll definately recognize..written by the likes of Eric Carmen, Kenny Loggins, Sammy Hagar, and Jim Steinman (Meatloaf). It's a wonderful show!

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 23:51:28 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

The Borderline Books website has a nifty online encyclopedia of psych-era bands. Here's the entry for Garland Jeffries' band Grinder Switch, written by Stephane Rebeschini:

"Personnel: ERNEST CORALLO gtr, mandolin, vcls A; GARLAND JEFFREYS lead vcls, acoustic gtr A; SANFORD KONIKOFF drms A; BOB PIAZZA bs A; STAN SZELEST piano, organ, hrmnca, vcls A; (RICHARD DAVIS bs A)

"ALBUM: "1(A) GRINDER'S SWITCH (Vanguard ) 1970
NB: (1) reissued on CD in France (Fnac/Vanguard 662090) 1992.

"Produced by Lewis Merenstein (Van Morrison, Chelsea etc.), Grinder's Switch was fronted by the New Yorker Garland Jeffreys, who recruited some experienced musicians to back him up: Sanford Konikoff (Gentle Soul, Bamboo, Delaney and Bonnie...), Stan Szelest (Ronnie Hawkins, Lonnie Mack), Bob Piazza (Ten Wheel Drive) plus Richard Davis, one of the best bass players on the New York scene.

"Their only album is influenced greatly by The Band and several tracks (like Father, The Son And The Holy Ghost or Dear Jolly Jack) really sound like outtakes from Music From Big Pink. Overall the album is decent but not original enough to retain attention, Jeffrey's vocal style still owing too much to Mick Jagger.

"In 1973, Garland Jeffreys would start a rather successful solo career and gain a small following in Europe, particularly in France. He's still occasionally recording."

Szelest and Konikoff we know from the Hawks, of course. Corallo, also from Buffalo, was a member of Stan and the Ravens, a picture of whom is in Jan's photo gallery.

A few weeks ago I posted a bit of Levon Helm's history, which I found at Roger Tillison's website. I was a bit surprised that nobody here seemed to have picked up on it, as it indicated that in addition to working on the Gulf of Mexico between leaving Dylan and returning to Woodstock, Levon lived for a time in LA and played in a band with Tillison and Jesse Edwin Davis. Konikoff tells me that when he moved to LA at about the same time (ca. '67), Levon introduced him to the Oklahoma guys (Davis, Radle, Russell, etc.) who were living together in a house there, along with Bobby Keyes - who would much later turn up playing with Levon. Of course Konikoff and Szelest appear Jesse Ed LP(s) recorded a few years later.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 06:35:34 CET 2002 from spider-wc034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.34)

Long Distance Operator

The Blasters

The Blasters popped up in the guestbook the other day, which is always a good thing. I just chatted with a friend out in southern California who caught The Blasters at the El Rey theater. He said it was "amazing to see Dave Alvin be a rock star again"!

This guy is a good friend of Ramblin' Jack Elliot, and had just spent a week road-tripping with Jack in Texas. From there, they headed to the El Rey for shows with Merle Haggard and Blind Boys Of Alabama. They hung out with Dave Alvin there, which was about a week before the reunited Blasters gigs. Apparently Dave couldn't wait to get the shows over with because the rehearsals were already dragged down by bickering. Dave doesn't like that Phil Alvin keeps a version of The Blasters together without Dave, and Phil doesn't want to confuse the new Blasters fans by reuniting with the original guys. Dave says they should just call themselves The Phil Alvin Band. Needless to say, I wouldn't anticipate any Blasters gigs with Dave up in Toronto, John D.

One more note on the actual show: It was all the original Blasters with the exception of the late Lee Allan. In tribute, they kept a spotlight on a stool with Lee's sax on it with a picture of him. I thought that was a nice touch. Long live The Blasters and American music!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 06:18:25 CET 2002 from dialup-65.58.44.10.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.58.44.10)

Pat Brennan

My Hammond B3 and 122 Leslie have been in storage for almost 20 years now. Replacement rig (fits in a car!!) is an old Korg BX3--their dual manual knockoff of a B3--with a Roland Keyboard Amp and the ProMotion Leslie. Pretty good Hammond substitute. I use a Fatar piano action keyboard controller with an Emu Proteus 2000 for Wurlitzer piano sounds etc. and the Kurzweil Piano module for acoustic piano sounds. Occasionally I pull out my Hohner Clavinet with the Oberheim Filter module for Stevie Wonder like funk stuff.

My studio rack is based on the G4 with a full blown ProTools TDM system. My favorite modules are the Roland 5080 and 2080, an old Roland 990, the Emu Classical 2000, and some older Oberheim and Roland analog synths. I have about 100 sampling discs and CD-Rom's which cover everything. My other studio has a similiar ProTools rig with two nice big rooms for recording. A SoundTracs Board is the heart of Studio A.

In my basement I have everything from Wurlitzer pianos and old ARP 2600's to one of the first Synclaviers. Probably 30 synths in between. I still have the Baldwin Acrosonic (1960) that i learned on. I've been very lucky to say the least. Although it has little to do with the Band, the website has examples of the kinds of things I do for a living.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 05:54:10 CET 2002 from 1cust186.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.92.186)

Crabgrass

Vintage Guitars

Although I have many guitars I most often favor playing my vintage 50's Zim-Gar acoustic for it's unique tonal qualities and unusually high string action. Those who recall ever possessing or playing one will know what I'm talking about.

Unfortunately, the classic Zim-Gar is not to be found on the really neat vintage guitar website I stumbled upon (click on above Web Page) though many other fine guitars are!!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 05:13:51 CET 2002 from (63.143.92.254)

Pete Rivard

bass balalaikas and 6-sting basses

Hey, Bayou--I said I had a bass balalaika. I make no claim at being able to play the damn thing. Which Band song was it where Levon picked up the bass balalaika and Richard sat in on the bodhrun? I think Garth held forth on the zither on that one...

And you know, my damn bass player shows up with a new bass about every month, and each time there's one more string. He's up to six now--some kind of Ken Smith axe. Just one more string and he'll have to reclassify himself with the union as a harpist. He uses either Golden Gate Brand or Verrazano Narrows suspension bridge cables on them too; makes my fingers ache just contemplating those bad boys.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 05:02:12 CET 2002 from adsl-61-135-248.rdu.bellsouth.net (208.61.135.248)

Bones

RRHOF Induction Dinner

I attended the Hall of Fame Induction Dinner on Monday night, and, as usual, the event itself was ten times better than the show on VH-1. Robbie Robertson was there, but unfortunately did not play this year. He had just flown in from the SXSW festival, and was probably pretty tired (not to mention the fact that he's played in the last three ceremonies). By the way, "special advisor" means that he is used as a sounding board for suggestions at these events (pairings, song ideas, etc). He is NOT on the RRHOF board by the way, although he does serve on many RRHOF committees like Nominating Committeee, Sideman Committee, Early Influence Committee, and Non-performer Committee. These are large groups of musicians, historians, critics, and music executives that vote on the inductees.

Two great highlights from the show: "When Something Is Wrong..." and "Take Me To The River". The ladder was not shown on TV which is too bad. The Talking Heads, Sam Moore, Darlene Love and Isaac Hayes belted it out with great licks by Steve Cropper. Also not shown on TV were other great songs including Petty's "Mary Jane's Last Dance", Talking Heads' "Psycho Killer" and "He's A Rebel" by Darlene Love and Gene Pitney (who actually wrote the song).

Posted on Fri Mar 22 04:47:36 CET 2002 from ip-63-121-116-249.new-castle.de.fcc.net (63.121.116.249)

bassmanlee

what y'all play

Equpment (hey, you asked):

Fender Jazz, maybe 1973, during the period where they had a problem with compatibility between sealer and finish coats, and only used 3 screws to secure the neck. One hot August afternoon while guitar players argued over parts, I peeled all the sunburst finish off into ribbons with a plasic guitar pick. Now a slightly yellow flat natural finish. Occasionally the neck shifts a few degrees, always in mid-song during public performance, totally hosing one's tuning. I have it on tape. It isn't pretty - sounds a bit like a like a train wreck! Self-installed Dimarzio split coil pickups. But don't get me wrong, I love my Jazz!

Gallien-Krueger 400B bass head, circa. 1980 or so. Have the original 2-15 cab, but seldom use it. (If you need to seismically test your home's foundation, I am available!) 1-15 Earth cab with Peavey Spider replacement speaker is currently the norm.

Gallien-Krueger 200MV Personal Monitor used as bass amp in practice and acoustic performance settings. Smaller than a breadbox, and still lets the bass sound like a bass. Basically an industrial Boom Box...and easy to carry. Try to find one!

Rouge acoustic bass guitar. Used to use with acoustic players until they found out about the Jazz...make an offer!

Alverez-Yari DY-52 acoustic, 1981. Takes the beating I give it when playing guitar and singing at the same time. (I'm also able to walk and chew gum. On occasion!)

Cheap Yamaha acoustic that somebody managed to lower the bridge on by apparently by heating the strings with a cigarette lighter so they melted down into the plastic. Bought in a pawn shop during an extended road trip into bum-**** Florida and hauled home on an airplane, protected in its cardboard case with dirty laundry because it got me back into playing after 10 yr. hiatus, and just couldn't be parted with. Hey, I lost a wife on that trip, but I still have the guitar!

A Fender Strat (Mexican) purchased with overtime proceeds of above road trip.

Marshall Artist 4203 solid state/tube hybrid. Low volume, high distortion. To accompany above.

Peavey Blues Classic, 60w, 1-15 (I love 15 in. speakers!) Purchased shortly after the Strat for a very short-lived gig as a second guitar player in a rock band. Probably made back 1/10 the cost of the amp before getting booted out of the band. Haven't used it since. So it goes...

Supro Corsica S6622 guitar amp, made by Valco, Chicago Ill., once the National Steel Guitar company. This was a designed to be a steel guitar amp. In its prime, the cleanest, sweetest guitar amp I've ever heard. In my high school and early college days, this and a turntable was my hi-fi. And is sounded good! (On this I first heard Brown, Stage Fright and Cahoots!) Now sadly on it's third speaker and subject to an annoying rattle that I can't seem to fix...

Beyer Dynamic Soundstage mcII microphone. I've been singing into my Beyer for over 20 years. I know it, it knows me. My vocal cords are a lot less consistent than it is!

Note to non-players. Most of us part-time players never make as much from our occasional gigs as we spend on equipment! Not to mention gas, beer, food and drink bought by family on our tab at gigs, etc., etc. Sad to say a lot full-timers don't do much better. Thank you, Lord, for my day job!

Posted on Fri Mar 22 04:46:04 CET 2002 from 1cust187.tnt2.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (67.227.173.187)

rollie

things that go twang (among other things)

While my main thang is blowin on that Mississippi Saxaphone, I also dabble in the guit-fiddle. One stratocaster, a national-polychrome tricone (that I practically stole off of e-bay for the lowly sum of $800.00) and a custom made (by a friend) homespun version of something approximating the Martin 0-18. Add to this a couple of Maestro-Echoplexes(one an original tube), an old Ibanez analog delay and some other effects. Harmonicas,Hohner of course. Mostly Golden Melodies because of their airtightnes, allowing one to overblow(Sam and Butch, don't say it!)thereby producing a fully chromatic scale on a blues harp. Amplifiers, two. Three, actually. The classic Fender Bassman reissue, an original Sears and Roebuck Silvertone, the pre-cursor to the Fender Twin, with 4- 6l6's, and the legendary pignose. Mikes for harp. Astatic -JT-30's(3), and several electro-voice RE-10s(more gain with less feedback )and a bass roll-off switch. This is the mike world champion blues harpist Carlos Del Junco prefers.For vocals, electro-voice ND 357.Mackie mixer(1604).

Posted on Fri Mar 22 04:39:59 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-67.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.67)

Charlie Young

Time Travel

I'm back in Old Virginny after four days in the Philadelphia suburbs for work. Passing an awful accident near Baltimore makes me thankful for arriving in one piece. Anyway, I have to confess that I had dinner at Dick Clark's American Bandstand Cafe one night this week and sat near a concert poster from the summer of 1974 for a gig in Oakland, California featuring this line-up: CSNY, The Band, Jesse Colin Young, and Joe Walsh and Barnstorm. I'd like to have a time machine to take me back for that one.

All this talk of instruments reminds me of a new book I saw this week. It's large format harbcover called BEATLES GEAR and the subtitle is something to the effect that it is the complete guide to "the Fab Four's instruments from stage to studio." It looks pretty cool, and probably definitive to boot. I wish there were one like it for The Band...

Posted on Fri Mar 22 03:56:11 CET 2002 from spider-to022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.52)

Bayou Sam

Pete = let me hear your balalaika ringing out.

I like all this instrument talk. I've got a '99 Epiphone Casino like the one Lennon had on the roof. But mine is turquiose and has a whammy bar. I have an old white Kalamazoo ("Willy twangs the rhythm out...."). A couple of acoustics. An old electric keyboard. A really cool old Wurlitzer organ that I haven't touched in ages. A Franciscan beginner banjo. A Kay open-back banjo. A 1940's Honer accordian that I don't know how to play. And my beloved old gold-sparkle Ludwig drums.......Now I feel like jammin'.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 03:00:35 CET 2002 from (63.146.15.155)

David Elliott

Looking for Levon Helm live gig videos

Posted on Fri Mar 22 00:57:51 CET 2002 from dialup-209.245.0.139.dial1.denver1.level3.net (209.245.0.139)

Mark Lewis

How to get Lyrics to ''Peyote Healing'' from ""Contact From the Underworld of RedBoy""

I want to get the lyrics to the song ''Peyote Healing'' from the Robbie Robertson CD ""Contact From the Underworld of RedBoy"". I want to get the lyrics as they are sung, find out what language that is, and also a translation or summary of the meaning in English. I think singing are Johnny Mike and Verdell Primeaux. I don't know if the words are sacred and so maybe not supposed to be told, and I'm not NAC, so let me know that if you can. Thank you. Mark Lewis (Pajaspuypayem Nation)

Posted on Fri Mar 22 00:50:31 CET 2002 from m198214176091.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.91)

Pehr

Jenny T. Dont strain your eyes looking for Rick in the kids are awright. I looked for 20 years and never found him. someone here said he was going to do a scene and some narration I think, but the scene didn't make it in the film and that for whatever reason Townshend and co. kept his name in the credits because they liked him.

Gear: I dont play anymore. I love cheap guitars. I have a yamaha acoustic I'll never give up with a built in pickup and a hole in the back from falling off a turnip truck or something. It has a nice muddy tone and a real high action, I play mostly gutbucket stuff on it. On a bender one night a friend I played with and I took to decorating our acoustics, I scratched mine at random with a door key and in ball point pen until it looked good. My main electric is a galanti, this beautiful sunburst italian guitar that looks like a strat but with a kind of wacky pickguard, looks a little Explorer/Bo Diddley with switches galore. I got it in a pawnshop because it has this Hubert Sumlin kind of high end that makes me laugh. I have a 82 strat, a weird one- they had this perpendicular input jack that year. Its been in a fire and survived, it kind of cool, but I only use it if I break a string on the Galanti. I play out of a little Fender Pro amp, just with volume and tone controls, nothing else, and a little danelectro reverb footswitch. it hooks into speakers or mikes thru the pa real good. anyone wanna buy this shit?

Posted on Fri Mar 22 00:30:36 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

LW Commercial

I no longer have Direct TV; therefore I did not see the awards. I'm trying to understand this commercial. As I understand it there is a picture of Robbie and other "guest" stars; BUT NOTHING OF THE OTHER BAND MEMBERS? Is that correct? If so. Shame shame shame. I do believe the name of the group was The Band not The Robertson. If I'm wrong in my understanding of this commercial I apologize up front.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 00:16:20 CET 2002 from (63.143.92.254)

Pete Rivard

People and their instruments

Here's a thread I can get into!

But first, an observation: any house with a piano, an acoustic guitar leaning in the corner and a wall full of books is my kind of house. Put those three items together, and the chance of Band material being in the CD/LP collection increases exponentially.

Here's my stuff: 1929 Hohner 3-row button accordion, 1972 Fender Concertone 5-string banjo, '94 Fender Telecaster, Dean Resonator GCE electo-acoustic guitar, 6-string lap steel (can't remember the manufacturer offhand) a 3-string bass balalaika labeled "made in Romania", a spinnet piano of some make or other, and my daughter (Carrie) has both a Yamaha and a Geminhardt flute, and my youngest (Ethan) holds forth on a Yamaha baritone horn. (And a damned effective security system featuring 8 legs and numerous fangs).

We've invented a new form of chamber trio: flute, baritone and banjo.

Posted on Fri Mar 22 00:06:59 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tl013.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.153)

Brien Sz

LW Ad

Marketing, marketing, marketing! If I was to show the average classic rock listeners pictures of Levon, Rick, Richard, and even RR, I'd probably get a 'wha' 'who's that' reaction. But I show pics of Ringo, Niel, Bob and Van, well reaction is going to be much stronger. Hell, if I say the Band, folks go, 'wha' 'who', If i play The Weight, then I get a reaction - Sorry but the marketing strategy is to sell copies of this concert, pics of the boys is not going to outsell pics of the others. They've already sold the purists (us) - - that's preaching to the choir..,They want to attract the mainstream Classic Rock fan and anyone else with a historical interest in Rock-n-Roll.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 23:45:17 CET 2002 from l98uppx1.hewitt.com (4.17.250.5)

Donald Joseph

Lack of controversy

I've been reading the guestbook for the last couple of days looking to jump in on a fight, but there's been abolutely nothing controversial, nor even any opening for me to stir up the pot.

Does this mean there's something wrong with me...or with YOU?

Posted on Thu Mar 21 22:38:31 CET 2002 from dv146s68.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.68.146)

Dexy

Rock Hall ceremony -- Robbie was listed as "Special Advisor" or something. What did he do? No narration, no jamming, no evidence of his participation. But that Last Waltz ad??? His name was there, his face was there (neck and all), Van, Bob, Ringo, Neil were there. It's really too bad they did that concert after Levon, Rick, Richard and Garth had already left the group. (sorry, but really, man, come on...)

Posted on Thu Mar 21 22:10:55 CET 2002 from 2mtsprxy12.nycboe.org (165.155.160.31)

Eddie Hodel

Hank Wedell plays NYC

It was great to see Hank Wedell ( the same Hank from this GB) and his band, Open Kitchen, play again in New York at the Baggott Inn. There were several references to THE BAND, and they played THE WEIGHT as well as BACK TO MEMPHIS (first time I heard anyone perform that great number). This is a tight band so if you get a chance check them out before they go back to Ireland.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 22:08:52 CET 2002 from 0-1pool35-94.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.35.94)

Jenny T

The Kids Are Allright

As most of you probably know, VH1 is showing movies and shows about RRHOF inductees this week. Today I took a break from garden clean-up and noticed The Kids Are All Right was on. I thought I would watch it mostly to see Rick Danko because I read somewhere he was in it. Well I flipped around during the commercials and somehow I completely missed Mr. Danko. What I want to know is: is it worth it--from a Dankophile perspective--to watch the whole thing again to see it or is it a nanosecond of footage or something? (I have heard My Generation enough times, and have seen almost enough of Roger Daltrey's chest.)

Posted on Thu Mar 21 21:27:11 CET 2002 from p02-15.hartford.dialin.ntplx.com (204.213.188.65)

Tracy

RRHOF inductions

Was it just me or was the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame lacking in artists on VH-1 last night? Where were all of the familiar faces in the audience by the dozens for Monday's induction? Was there a boycott this year? Billy Baldwin as the narrator? I guess he needs to fulfill his contract for VH-1 since they're not coming up with any new "Legends" specials which he would usually narrate.

The jam sucked! Jewel and an unscheduled Rob Thomas singing, "Here Comes The Sun?" What gives? I think the only inducted artist who joined in with Paul Schaeffer's band was Isaac Hayes, no Petty even, or Talking Heads. People don't jam anymore? I wonder how much exactly they chopped in the editing room. I noticed when Hayes was giving his speech about the royalties that there was a collective moan from the audience. I'm guessing most were business people and not family, friends, or fellow artists who didn't care for the comment. When they would pan to the audience, they seemed either very bored or chatting with each other. Makes a nice impression.

I read an article on Monday through the FOX News site that the HOF foundation is in trouble because they haven't given a penny to the Museum or artists. Most of it is going to Suzanne Evans, the director of the RRHOF as she's paid about 300,000 for her services and there are other unnamed expenses. The foundation filed their tax last year and nothing went to the people or places as they promised.

Sad. Tracy

Posted on Thu Mar 21 21:14:20 CET 2002 from ottawa-ppp3517217.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.88)

Richard Patterson

Garth "Dark Star" Review

If you click on the link and scroll down to "Tracks of the Month" you'll find some nice words about Garth's version of "Dark Star".

Posted on Thu Mar 21 20:59:58 CET 2002 from m198214176085.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.85)

Pehr

RR's Keynote speech

Read the web article slamming RR's keynote speech, and a couple others that got written here in austin. My question is what is a guy supposed to talk about as a Keynote speaker? MP3 downloads in a post 911 world? my point being the whole conference is bullshit anyway. Talk about where you are from and what you know. It's a spring break for people in the business to party, gossip and slag each other. I dont recall the conference doi8ng that much for anyone, ever. I played with a band that got signed there once with a major label. they still rode around and lived on junk food and had to give it up to get jobs after being screwed and owing the label. I heard the one hit wonder Fastball, those guys are up to there ass in debt now. South by so what didn't do anything for them. I could listen to RR talk all night about his musical journey. People that have such a problem with that are cynical, man. they need to come down on him because they dont have much of a musical purpose of their own. Otherwise they'd be playing their music and not be getting all twisted because some guy is doing well in the business. and going to brown nose people at some 1/2 assed convention. maybe those people dont realize the depth of the music the band made and the size of thier contribution. They should listen to the N'Scnch guys maybe. for eternity.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 19:17:59 CET 2002 from s066028114035.asp.anobi.com (66.28.114.35)

Chris

Richard Being Released

Bayou Sam: No need for an apology. Everything's cool. My tongue in cheek reply was just exactly that.

Andy R: Thanks for the emails and the effort to explain yourself in a straight forward manner. I appreciate the information and the fact that you shared a little of your story with us.

Diamond Lil: Thanks. It is important to have a good watchdog. Remember to feed him(her)when you can.

Richard Release: It occurs to me that there has been talk of Ricky, Levon, and Garth doing there overdubs. Who did the guitar parts? If you want my opinion the way to insure the highest quality major market release, and likely the immediate interest of Sally Grossman, is to let good ol' Robbie at em. Have Garth and Robbie go after the guitar overdubs and then release the album as Richard Manuel and THE BAND. It would be a historic return to the original five and it would, IMHO, sell like hotcakes.

Now I know that there are people out there who will flame me and say things like "we don't need no stinking patch", or "Chris you are such an A**hole, Jimmy Weider should do all the guitar parts." However, I am only talking about how Richard's solo album could get the most attention. And of course I would agree with the Levonista's out there that would consider it a tough pill to swallow. But I believe Hunter/Garcia once wrote that "when the horse don't pull you got to carry the load."

Posted on Thu Mar 21 18:51:45 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Jewel: Real or just zirconium?

I'm in agreement with Bashfull Bill regarding Jewel. Her voice seems a little bit too "precious" for my taste. She did, however, record some duets with Merle Haggard a while back and the Hag does not suffer fools when it comes to music. In her defense -- she does write & perform her own songs, unlike manufactured stars like Brittany Spears, et al.

Jewel / Band connection -- she contributed a song, "Emily", to the soundtrack of "The Crossing Guard", a film in which Robbie Robertson appeared. Her 1995 hit, debut album, "Pieces of You", was produced by Ben Keith, who is also credited on "Moondog Matinee".

Posted on Thu Mar 21 18:01:30 CET 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

players and their instruments

I doubt I really quality as a player, but I have 2 flutes, one a basic Bundy band instrument, one an open-hole Gemeinhart. I also have a D whistle, probably a Generation, and a plastic recorder. I play these all very badly; don't practice any more and was never even adequate when I did. I also have a lap harp - 3 1/2 octaves, that I can't even get in tune, let alone play. Clearly ambition was far ahead of ability.

There are also various odd things around; a thumb piano, a fish with ridges that are scraped for sound, bongo drums, some odd wooden percussion instruments and shakers, Tibetan bells, etc.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 17:53:32 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

LW commercial

I was just going to mention seeing the commercial during the Hall of Fame show last night but someone beat me to it a couple posts ago.I'm glad they mentioned that RR was behind it, and Clapton, Dr John, etc are on it, they even mentioned The Band once without RR's name in front of it(no mention of Rollie, however, that pissed me off too).Just feelin a little cranky here today, saw my 1st robin a couple hours ago, now the weather people say arctic temps tonite, other stuff botherin me too, guess I should put on The Brown Album & Jubilation, cured the blues for me last time. BTW, that wasn't RR's voice doing the intros on the show, he doesn't have that gig anymore? I've been sitting on the fence with Jewel for a lot of years now, never could decide whether I liked her or not. We even took the kids to see her outdoors a few years back, because they really liked her. Last night I finally decided that I don't like her. That 1st album was impressive, lyrically, but I finally decided I just don't like her voice, and I haven't cared for anything she has done since taht 1st album.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 17:51:45 CET 2002 from stjhts25c091.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.249.96)

Jawbone

I been away for awhile. I see I haven't missed much. Lil still sees herself as the guardian angel of the GB and god help anyone who may disagree with her. The more things change, the more things stay the same.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 17:37:56 CET 2002 from spider-we051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.41)

Harry & Mim

Players and their instruments

Mim & I own an old Casio keyboard (the kind with the "reduced size" keys that screw up your finger placement for a regular size keyboard) and an even older "accoustic" piano (shonenger upright console, no big whoop).

I used to have a beat up guitar, but lack of interest in learning anything but the most basic chords led to its' "dissappearance."

Used to play in bands in school, but on entering college in mid-70's, that fell by the wayside.

Not much fun to fool around on the piano by oneself. Alright for pickin' out basic country tunes, I guess. I'd rather play "with" other folks. Usually end up putting my favorite music on and "playing along". Seem to have my bros' faculty for perfect pitch - helps in picking up keys and chord changes for songs. Of course, any Band songs I can't figure out are GREATLY HELPED by this web sites "lyrics & chords" section.......

Posted on Thu Mar 21 16:53:55 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

The Pointer Sisters/John Donabie

John: Thanks so much for sharing The Pointer Sisters sample. A really soulful, shake em' up version of "The Shape I'm In". I loved it!

Posted on Thu Mar 21 16:45:18 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Last Waltz TV Ad

Those of you who watched VH-1's broadcast of the R&R Hall of Fame induction ceremonies may have noticed a commercial for the upcoming DVD release of The Last Waltz. It was a short, 30 second ad with quick cuts of a few clips from the film. The guest stars were prominently mentioned. There was also a tie-in mention of the upcoming WEA/Rhino release of the expanded soundtrack.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 16:02:49 CET 2002 from (209.166.233.21)

Jon Lyness

Andy and Lil, glad to hear there is indeed "peace in the valley". Like all of us here, you both clearly care a lot about Richard and his legacy, so I'd sure hope there's common ground there. And Andy, thanks for the news...I for one am real excited about this live album. Can you give us any sense of release timetable?

Posted on Thu Mar 21 15:45:53 CET 2002 from dv146s68.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.68.146)

Dexy

Dave -- Not sure I should still be considered a "player," but I did actually have a low-end, double-keyboard Lowery organ during my high school band days. Also had a Yamaha Hofner knock off bass (McCartney style), and still have my gem -- a really old cordovan SG (maybe even when they were still called Les Paul Jrs?? I need to have it analyzed. After all, I only bought it in 1973...). Now get by (rarely) with an acoustic/electric Ovation (no amp -- Mom sold the Bandmaster at a garage sale...) and a used Cascio keyboard.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 14:41:58 CET 2002 from (203.197.126.107)

yazooman

Before anyone mentions it, I am not under the influence of any mind-altering substance....in fact I have never ever done so too. Even a cigarette gets to me.... :-))

However I am very very happy, that things are moving well for these great guys.

Peace

Posted on Thu Mar 21 14:38:15 CET 2002 from (203.197.126.107)

yazooman

Go Yazoo go !!!

Go India Go !!

Go Bengal Go !!

Go Baul Go !!

Go Garth Go !!

Go Maud Go !!

Go Andy Go !!

Go D'Lil Go !!

Go BEG Go !! (for the s*** photos) :-)

Go ALL Go !! (Jan the Man esp.)

Did I forget anybody ?? Times have never been so good for us Band fans like the last 1 and 1/2 year or so.

YAZOOOO....(I hope AHROO does not mind) ;-)

PS. Ohh....and of course....GO LEVON GO !!

Posted on Thu Mar 21 08:32:24 CET 2002 from saintpaul.pioneerpress.com (208.149.52.102)

Ole Chester

band names

My all time favorite band name: The Bastard Sons of Johny Cash, being a big Johny fan I really liked that one, don't have a clue if there any good but love the name... Good Day

Posted on Thu Mar 21 04:33:21 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Just wondering what Richard would think of all this. I see him with a big smile just shaking his head and wondering what all the fuss was about.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 03:35:30 CET 2002 from ac93636f.ipt.aol.com (172.147.99.111)

Andy R.

Peace in The Valley

Dear GBers:

Thanks a lot for the words of support!!! Lil and I have been in private correspondence and the air is clear.

Guess I never realized what "going public" would entail or open myself to. You all are much more experienced at detecting bad or erroneous posts than I am at this point. But I believe honesty and a true heart are the only way to communicate in this world today.

Don't see any reason not to continue my participation.

Will do my best to keep all informed as things develop.

Any questions I might be able to help with are welcomed.

Remember I am a BIG FAN TOO!!!

Thanks all again.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 02:35:35 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

All La Glory

Lil, Levon's vocal on All La Glory has a sort of Dylanesque quality to it - alot like Robbie's Broken Arrow. I'm not a great fan of Robbie's singing but I think he did a pretty good job on that one. It would have been even better with Garth on accordion. A question: who's playing what keyboards on All La Glory?

On the Richard CD issue. Am I right in assuming that the CD Andy is talking about is from the same concert as the one Garth produced? If so I can see why Levon might be annoyed by someone putting out an inferior version (probably minus the parts the boys added). Anyway, I appreciated Andy's news.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 02:01:27 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-22-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.22)

Diamond Lil

All LA Glory

Sam: Ahhh yes.. All La Glory... my favorite (as I've mentioned once..or a hundred..times in here before :-) I agree with you that it is indeed the unusual vocal style that gives it it's charm. I think of it as heartwarming myself. It's one of those tunes that I instinctively reach out to put on when I'm feeling down. It always gives me a nice feeling.

3 inches of snow here today in upstate NY. Happy spring everyone! Arrghh....

Posted on Thu Mar 21 01:55:09 CET 2002 from spider-we042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.37)

Bayou Sam

I think "Occasional Psycho" would be a good album title - or band name.

Put me down as a Stagefright fan too. I like the album as much as the much beloved BP, and Brown. It's great to see mention of Richard going higher on each chorus vocal. I love that part. Also, I really like "All La Glory", which seems to get mixed reactions. The fact that it's an unusual vocal style for Levon is what gives it alot of it's charm for me. I love the vocal he does in that tune.

Posted on Thu Mar 21 00:51:43 CET 2002 from 56k-la-02-07.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.118)

Dave the Phone Guy

Dexy,,,,,that's exactly why I love that song.(Rumour)Richard indeed sings the chorus three times,each time moving up the octave range.Great ensemble singing by all on this song,but Richard really shines!

Players,what instruments do you own? (betcha' no one has a Lowery)

Posted on Thu Mar 21 00:26:49 CET 2002 from dv146s68.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.68.146)

Dexy

RE: Richard's singing range. One reason The Rumour is probably my all-time favorite Band song is because of his incredible range -- three octaves in one song, all beautiful. Also because it's one that gives such great parts to all three lead singers.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 22:32:27 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tj071.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.51)

Brien Sz

New Band Live

Having seen the post LW Band many times in the 80's and early 90's, I for one would love to see a live post LW Band cd. I know my mind was altered at a couple shows but outside of one performance, I actually walked out, they were all exceptional. 3 performances come to mind that I thought were exceptional, 2 with Richard -one was at the Capital Theatre in Passiac NJ, shortly after the reformation with the Cate Brothers, the other was an outdoor show at Caldwell College in NJ, where Bonnie Raitt opened. The post Richard show was at Carniege Hall during the High on the Hog Tour...,

Posted on Wed Mar 20 22:32:09 CET 2002 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (24.61.49.141)

Long Distance Operator

Even if it's a sin, they'll repeat The Rumor again

I would have to say that the revelation about some Garth-produced Richard material in the can at Bearsville was the most important and exciting information in the Guestbook since the remasters came out. The fact is, without Andy R.'s posts, this information would not have come out. The man worked with the Band for a decade. I, for one, welcome his input. It's certainly more valuable than mine, since I've never been part of the Band's inner circle. If I were in his position, I wouldn't have appreciated the innuendo either.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 22:28:12 CET 2002 from dial2a-218.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.218)

Hi

Richard, Andy and Lil

I tend to agree with Calvin that possibly both Andy and Lil are telling the truth...we are all aware how easy it is to type a biting comment when something here bothers us...I'm pleased Andy's apologized for his harsh words ..and I hope Lil and him correspond like he did with me when I questioned who he really was after he first posted...I got out my boot of the Getaway and I hope it is released in descent quality...it really is worthy of release IMO.....the Bearsville thing though would be great. Now who has a tape of Richard's gig at the Horsemen...same year.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 22:10:13 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-9-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.9)

Diamond Lil

Thank you Calvin. I would really like to clarify something so we can move on before anyone else twists anyones words.
I never said that I didn't believe Andy R was trying to get a solo Richard release put out. In fact, I do believe that he is.
I never attacked his character or his motives. I simply stated after reading his post about Richards kids being involved from the beginning in this project, that the fact is they have not been. There is of course, the possibility that Mr. Robinson has been misinformed. I gave creedence to that, and offered to help make a contact.

I'd be as happy as anyone else here to actually have a legitimate Richard album to listen to, and if that's what Andy R is planning to do, I wish him luck. My skepticism only came from his apparant lack of knowledge of who benefits from such a release.

Thanks for listening. Have a good evening folks. Hug Jan.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 21:52:34 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tk022.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.27)

Calvin

Richard, Andy and Lil

You know it is very possible that they are both telling the truth. Andy clearly said he hadn't spoken with Richard's kids but had been told their legal represtative had been consulted-Lil said she talked to them and they hadn't. One statement does not make the other false. But really, they seem like two very nice people just sharing what they know, chill out with the accusations folks.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 21:52:31 CET 2002 from host-65-164-8-8.co.erie.ny.us (65.164.8.8)

G-MAN

NEW SONGS/WAR &PEACE

Hey John Cass,,what ya expect!!! It's something new(yet old) but it could great music! Untainted by feud BS,,could be beneficial to fans,,family,,etc..So they guy lays it out and gets the GB Inquisition! Hmm,,,if it isn't info from old articles,,rehashed stuff,,or an individual tryin to do a GB version of War and Peace,,ya get persecuted! I beleive he is makin a sincere effort to do right by all parties,,but that's just what I heard!!! Now,,,heck he probably burned the combination to the vault!!

Posted on Wed Mar 20 21:39:41 CET 2002 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

John Cass

NEW RECORDS

Richard album....I beleive it!! what would this Andy gain by mearly telling us fans that one is in the works..he was probley reading all the boring non-sence non music related stuff.. and figured he would give us something to be happy about and get back to talking about cool stuff..The GB gets so uptight when news of something new is about to happen.. I don't understand it?? I think Andy started something interesting.. I learned that Garth produced a Richard album...thats some cool info.. someone will have some cool info and now won't mentioned it cause they will feel like everyone will talk shit about them..

Posted on Wed Mar 20 21:33:16 CET 2002 from p12-26.hartford.dialin.ntplx.com (204.213.187.76)

Tracy

Re: New Controversy :)

Steve: I believe the second voice behind Richard's on "Chest Fever" does belong to Levon. Also Richard is definitely doing the background vocals on "To Kingdom Come." I always thought that Richard and Robbie had the same range when it came to singing. Just take a listen to "Between Trains" off of the soundtrack to The King Of Comedy. Both Robbie and Richard match falsettos nicely. It's always struck me when the voices were stacked in The Band that Levon was more or less the baritone, then came Rick who did really good for mid-level, sometimes higher, and of course Richard could do baritone too but could hit it really high with a falsetto that would just soar through your ears.

Hey, any Richard solo released is music to my ears. Nothing like hearing him with a good mixed soundboard taping and/or professionally engineered. Looking forward to that!

Tracy

Posted on Wed Mar 20 21:32:23 CET 2002 from spider-tm074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.79)

Dave Z

ROA

I was first hooked by ROA too... That purple cover with the freaky Easter Island looking statue... well, to me anyway... because my folks had a black lava rock statue in their Japanese garden that always looked at me with a similar expression... that seemed to say, you know you are gonna get in trouble if you listen to that again... and of course those wonderful horns... Anyway, thanks for sharing Andy, Miwa and Mama D (Did I make anybody think of pizza?)... I'm hungry for pepperoni and light onion myself... Anyway, us faraway fans love the possibilities... more, Richard... Yeah!.... and Fore!... Garth Bauls flying in the spring... Cool!...

Posted on Wed Mar 20 20:38:38 CET 2002 from (63.92.154.254)

KLJ

Bayou Sam & the occasional psycho

No offense towards you Andy R. was intended by me.

It's only human nature to question information that is presented in this type of format. When Bob Margolin posted I didn't believe it was him (which unfortunately led to some bad words between me and some GB visitors). But I was only practicing healthy skepticism.

Anyone can come in here under an assumed name and tell us all anything.

And Bayou Sam is right about occasional psychos, me having been one of them from time to time, but not anymore thanks to some harsh GB therapy from Jan. :)

Later John

Posted on Wed Mar 20 20:21:55 CET 2002 from (63.92.154.254)

KLJ

ANDREW & THE COMPLETE LAST WALTZ

Andrew: After I get the re-release of TLW next month I'm thinking about getting rid of my Complete Last Waltz, although it's not a sure thing yet since I have not heard the re-release.

However, if you're interested keep watching for my posts.

JOhn

Posted on Wed Mar 20 20:19:40 CET 2002 from dhcp58139.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.139)

AL BUNDY

GEEEEEch!

VINEY!!!!!!!!! Enough already... Man oh man..

Posted on Wed Mar 20 20:14:39 CET 2002 from dhcp58139.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.139)

AL BUNDY

ONE NICE GUY

ANDY R.: All i can add here is that you were always a complete gentleman to those of us that wanted to get in contact with the boys at the many shows that we had the privilege to attend. You were always forthcomming with information when needed and at times you bacame a Master of ticket (or lack of ticket) access.. For this I say thank you.. BUNDY! How the hell ya doin anyway?

Posted on Wed Mar 20 19:54:56 CET 2002 from du-tele3-154.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.154)

Peter Viney

Critic's polls (dull, statistical)

Critics poll are supposed to be entertaining reading rather than statements of genuine value. And they can’t measure the pleasure. There have been a lot of “polls of polls” over the years. I had listed them at the end of an article I never finished because it was too anorak even for me. I personally wouldn’t draw a line between BP and the brown one. In fact on a desert island, I might opt for BP because I can probably recreate the brown album word-for-word in my imagination. So here’s their rankings in various polls, many of them dubious. Critics prefer to agree – hence Astral weeks, B on B, Pet Sounds appear everytime. All we are measuring is public critical acclaim, NOT quality or fun. Donald’s right in that critics don’t ALWAYS prefer the 2nd, but can I get away with NEARLY ALWAYS – the exception was a single Canadian poll.

BIG PINK: Gambacinni 100 1987 – 64th / RS Top 100: - 41st / Guinness 250 – 104th / Guinness 1000 (a few years later) – 163rd / Virgin 1000 1998 – 258th /Mojo Critics – unplaced / Mojo Readers 100 – 98th / Canadian 100 – 8th

BROWN: Gambacinni 100 1977- 13th / Gambacinni 100 1987 – 24th / RS Top 100: - 19th / Guinness 250 – 27th / Guinness 1000 (a few years later) – 33rd / Virgin 1000 1998 – 49th / Mojo Critics – 15th / Mojo Readers 100 – 26th / Canadian 100 – 22nd / + Q Top 100 in universe – 76th / Channel 4 / HMV Millenium – 60th

And we all know they should both be in the Top 5, at even the most conservative estimate (you do have to leave space for a Beatles and a Bob at least).

Posted on Wed Mar 20 19:39:35 CET 2002 from 1cust101.tnt2.phl1.da.uu.net (63.20.185.101)

Charlie Young

Crabby Gets SAVED?

I know that surely Crabgrass was joking when he said that Dylan's SAVED album was "every bit as good" as BLONDE ON BLONDE (that is an interesting observation about those initials, Crabster), or maybe he has been born again, like Dylan allegedly was back then. After all, it is the first day of spring--time for crabgrass to be born again. Sorry, I couldn't resist...

Posted on Wed Mar 20 19:30:28 CET 2002 from dap-209-114-164-17.nfas.monroe-tnt-1.sns234.pa.stargate.net (209.114.164.17)

Mary

Lil again

One more thing I would like to add, lil is very loyal. Just as I am fiercely protective of my mother, sisters, husband, children, friends, etc., lil is equally protective of the band members and their families. I myself, have had to bite my tongue several times and refrain from posting here when it has come to nastiness regarding Rick, and other members. I think we should all just enjoy the music. I agree with Miwa and several others about lils loyalty and protectiveness I hope everyone has a good day.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 19:19:49 CET 2002 from (38.166.195.3)

Andrew

Wondering if anyone knows where to get the Complete Last Waltz 4cd set? Send me an email if you do. thanks.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 19:13:17 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

R & R Hall of Fame

It was refreshing to hear that all four of the original members of the Talking Heads put their differences aside, at least for one night, at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremonies Monday. For the first time in 18 years they performed together on stage. VH-1 will be airing the usual edited highlights of the ceremonies tonight.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 18:52:18 CET 2002 from dap-209-114-161-91.nfas.monroe-tnt-1.sns234.pa.stargate.net (209.114.161.91)

Mary

Lil

I have not read the guestbook for several days. I was shocked to see the insults flying again. I have known lil almost three years this summer. I would believe her and Butch, before I would believe most of what I read in here. I spent some time at her home this summer. We went to Woodstock for the day, and to Garth and Mauds home to meet them for dinner. We had a wonderful time. She has known Rick for about 20 years as well, and when I went to several of Levons shows, both Butch and Levon told me to tell her hello. A few Thanksgivings ago, Jane Manuel and Josh were at her home for dinner, and I spoke to Josh on the phone. Lil is a very caring, kind, person. I love to read her posts, and others who have met the band members. I can't believe that she is under attack in here so frequently. So, for all you non believers, lil is for real. And if she says Josh and Paula know nothing about this release, you better believe it is true. That is one thing I know, she doesn't lie. Everyone have a good day.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 18:16:54 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

Andy R

It seems pretty clear that a few posters here know more than they're saying while others have given all the info they have. And the ones with info they choose not to get into are pretty well-known quantities in this GB who have a pretty good track record for accuracy.

I'm never for gratuitous rudeness but I think they've been pretty restrained. Better to be cautious in picking new best friends, no?

Posted on Wed Mar 20 18:01:58 CET 2002 from rm0001b.studlife.fsu.edu (128.186.193.26)

Adam

Andy R.

This Andy R./Lil situation has gotten ridiculous. Andy posted some new information that we were all excited to hear and everyone immediately questioned his motives, his information, and his personal relationships. I understand that there are rumors out there that never materialize, but publicly questioning Andy R. in this forum is rude and inappropriate. I would be pretty mad if I got the response Andy did, when all he was trying to do was spread the word. Remember folks, that's why we come to the GB. I don't blame Andy for not wanting to share his information with the GB any longer, if this is the kind of response we give him.

Thanks for the info Andy, and hopefully we can all act civilly enough for you to continue being an active part of this forum.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 17:45:51 CET 2002 from pixout.usi.edu (192.206.9.72)

KLJ

SALLY GROSSMAN

I just wanted to make it clear that I was in no way suggesting that we lynch Sally Grossman or do anything mean-spirited.

I just suggested that we politely urge her or those at bearsville to release EVERYTHING!!!!!

Later John

Posted on Wed Mar 20 17:08:22 CET 2002 from pool-63.52.232.172.ipls.grid.net (63.52.232.172)

Bobby Jones

What I remember from 1985

I don't know what Andy's status is now, but in 1985 he was held in pretty high regard by Levon, Rick, Richard and Joe Forno. In fact he was given the job of cataloging Levon's Tape Vault.( not a job you give to someone you don't trust. )

Amoung the things I know he found were:

1. a sound board recording of the Bands set at woodstock 2. a sound board recording of the Bands set at Watkins Glen 3. and other Copies of unreleased Band material ( Basement Tapes and early band.)

The point being if Andy was a scummer all this stuff would have come out during the last 15 or so years.I don't know what happened after 1987 in regards to Andy and his relationship with Levon, but it was solid in 1985.

I have always been amazed that with all the shows Levon did with The Cates, Rick & Levon, Levon and the Woodstock Allstars and of course the RCO Allstars that nothing has seen the light of day as an official "LIVE" release from the Levon camp. I for one would buy every one if they were ever released. After all it's like being back in their living room.

Butch any chance of this ever happening?

Posted on Wed Mar 20 16:58:37 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tk064.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.49)

Donna

Thank you miwa, for your post! Your words to Andy R. were the same as I felt. Andy, I would enjoy very much for you to continue to keep us updated on Richard's CD. D. Lil, is a real human, concerned only in the interest and the good intentions from your new and exciting revelations.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 16:25:56 CET 2002 from host-65-164-8-8.co.erie.ny.us (65.164.8.8)

G-MAN

"THE VAULT"

It appears that something good is being discussed and it gets trashed around,,,and stuff taken out of context!!! Only one way to solve this!!! Have Geraldo Riviera or Crabgrass open up the vault to see what's really there????

Posted on Wed Mar 20 15:53:17 CET 2002 from aca1e07e.ipt.aol.com (172.161.224.126)

Andy R.

Olive branch

Dear GBers:

I'm very sorry to have possibly "over reacted" to Lil's veiled innuendos, and I sure have seen some "wackos" post weird comments on this website, however I was only trying to be informative and helpful...and honest!!! Certainly "Mama Lil" understandably should express any doubts and concerns she may have had..I don't have to prove anything to anybody. I am coming from a position of friendship, love and respect for the people I have worked with and been friends with for almost ten years. I'm doing what I consider to be "the right thing" in "the right way". If people disagree or want to question my motives or intentions...that's OK, because you obviously don't know me. Those of you who do will know where my heart lies. By posting on this website, I was just trying to inform, and to impart some actual reality from one who has had the honor and pleasure of working and becoming friends with the people you all care so much about. Me too!!!

I'm afraid that my reaction was not so polite,and I really am sorry about that, but I don't dig being taken in the wrong way.

I have been fully aware over the years what stupid, vicious self-serving people have done to "the boys". I was offended at the suggestion that I might be one of those type people and reacted in defense.

And Butchie...you know I salute your dedication and devotion to "your man". I too have many unprintable things I could say...but won't. Why bother? As far as I'm concerned it was and ALWAYS has been Levon's group. He was always to me the leader and heartbeat of The Band. I have always considered it quite an honor to have been a part of his and Sandy's life and times. I look back on those as some of the best fun I ever was privileged to have been privy to!!!!

From now on, I will keep things to myself. I do not care to be a part of situation where "woolgathering" and "smokescreens" seem to be the order of the day.

Goodbye and be well people.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 15:44:31 CET 2002 from 0-1pool35-242.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.35.242)

Jenny T

Rick as Harmonizer

To Donald Joseph and Jon Lyness: Thanks for the info. I think I was remembering talk of the Chip Taylor album now that you mention it. I have never heard of him, but I will check him out and will also pick up the Emmylou album. Rick was so good at harmonies, I'm sure he added a lot.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 14:55:40 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tl024.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.159)

Sherry

LIL AND ANDY

Why the sanctimony Lil? Do you have some evidence that Andy R. is involved in some kind of nefarious endeavor in regard to the Richard project? If you do, shouldn't you share it with the GB rather than just putting out veiled innuendo? How did either your or his conscience become involved in the issue? It seems to me the guy was just attempting to give info to the GB that many seemed to be interested in. I know that he is who he says he is because I met him and Rick in Dallas in 1987. I am simply inquiring as to the factual basis for you seeming animosity toward Andy R.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 14:47:39 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

New Controversy :)

I enjoyed revisiting the "Holy Cow" issue so much that I thought it might be fun to start a new thread along those lines. So, I'm wondering:

Who's singing harmony with Richard on "Chest Fever"? The "very much longer" coming out of the bridge sounds like Levon, but the verse harmonies are above Richard's part, which I don't think is in Levon's range. Any ideas?

Also, who's that behind Robbie on "To Kingdom Come"? I'd guess Richard, but based on the "Holy Cow" topic it's hard to know. Has anyone else noticed how odd the voicing of this harmony is? I think it's a major fourth, which is pretty rare in pop music (the only other one I can think of is "Every Little Thing" by the Beatles).

One last item: looking over old interviews, it seems like Richard was playing drums on "Caledonia Mission", a fact which got overlooked a few months ago when we were discussing which tunes he played drums on. I listened to it the other day, and it definitely has a few fills no "legit" drummer would even try.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 12:14:18 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-196-static.surferz.net (64.80.53.196)

Diamond Lil

The "best" Band album

I think the "best" Band album could very well be the one you first heard. There's something about that very first listen..that stays with you through the years. My favorite album is "Stage Fright"..but to me, the "best" album will always be "Rock of Ages".

My conscience is perfectly clear Mr. Robinson. I hope you can say the same.

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 07:02:37 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.244)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Comparison

OK. Some works are greater than others. There. I've conceded. But I stand by my point that comparisons made of artist's works over time are dangerous for the individual. It is much better to look at each work with respect ot its independent merit. If Mozart's age 8 work has merit, so be it. I don't need to compare it to his greatest work. I'll look at it for what it is. I'll give it a chance. Thre is too much - this is the best and everything else is worthless - out there. That is dangerous. I wanted to say it and I'v said it and I'm finished with this matter without regret. If this has gotten the attention of some and made people think a bit, whether there is agreement or not with my viewpoint, then I have succeeded. And I am pleased to have heard your arguments. Discourse enlightens all its readers. Thank you.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 06:43:38 CET 2002 from c5300-1-ip65.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.224.65)

miwa

Andy R. & Diamond Lil

Hey, hey there..... Now try to calm down Andy R. We are all appreciative of anything you want to share with us. Indeed, we are quite excited about Richard's CD. But PLEASE don't overreact to Lil's concerns for the welfare of The Band's family members. We all love her very much and many have considered her the Mother of this GB for a very long time. Can't you please not be so reactive to a mother's concern. If you have been reading this GB for three years and if you've ever been close to The Band in person, then you could probably understand better than anyone why Lil was leery. All you have to do is care about The Band, knowing all the bum deals they've gotten/are getting (losiing their homes, etc.). Lil is also close friends with Mr. & Mrs. Hudson. I know this as a fact after having the privilege of sitting at the table with both Lil and Mrs. G. at a few concerts. Feuds do get going in here, as you know, but please be kind to our den mother (or sister if you prefer) and hang in here with us. Lil would more than likely want to hear this CD just as we all would. I hope you can continue to join in here without us having to tip toe too much. We want to hear your stories and experiences. Please treat Mama Lil as if she is the mother/sister of all those you are now making new firends with because she is. She is credible and a wonderful anchor in this GB. We love her very much!!!

Now what I would like to know is another one of your wonderful stories. They are fascinating. And please keep us updated on the CD! ......Thanks!.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 05:44:29 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tb041.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.36)

butch

rearing its ugly head

well,, "put up or shut up ",,,,,hmmm nice vibe for this place, mr R,,, the truth will out,,,,

as for asking Levon about all this,,, i did,,, & some of his take on it is unprintable,,,, but, he did say the one that SHOULD be released is the one GARTH PRODUCED !!!!!

the one @ Bearsville,,,

what he says & feels about the person in question,,, is , like i said,, un printable,,,

so lets get back to anything untill there is more than just a "whiff",,,,

just one man's ( or two ) opinion,,,,,,,

Posted on Wed Mar 20 05:15:50 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tk022.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.27)

Bayou Sam

Hey Chris - I tried to e-mail you twice and it came back to me twice. So here's what I wanted to tell you.

The other day I attempted to tell you the difference between an unreleased Richard Manuel tape, and the Sept. 11th attacks. I got to thinking that you don't need me to point this out to you, and maybe I was kind of a dickhead for doing so. If that is the case - I wanted to apologise.

I didn't intend this to be GB material folks, but the e-mail came back. That's all - Rock On.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 05:04:52 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tk022.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.27)

Bayou Sam

Hey Butch - any chance you can ask your boss about all this Richard material, and get his take on it? We need to know.

No offense intended Andy R. - I hope what you say is real, because it's exciting. It's just that the occasional lonely psycho passes through here and we're probably all a little gun-shy about it at this point. If you've lurked in here as long as you say you have, then you've seen them.

where's that guy who e-mailed me recently about Country Boy? Talk to me. You're reading this right now.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 03:42:04 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Blasters : Testament:The Complete Slash Recordings

Need I say more than the subject line. At long last released. I envy those in California who have been able to see the Blasters back out on the road again. Come back to Toronto Gene Taylor and the boys..........we're waitin'

Posted on Wed Mar 20 03:04:06 CET 2002 from acab1ef9.ipt.aol.com (172.171.30.249)

Andy R.

Truth or Dare

Dear Lil:

So..um.. I appreciate your concern. However it is my understanding from the people I have been working with who have been dealing with the Richard Manuel estate and his kids Josh and Paula that through the lawyer for the estate they have been involved, apprised and consulted regarding the pending release of the CD in Japan.I personally have not spoken to them,but I know them both reasonably well. Would appreciate any insight you might have.

I really don't like your insinuation...you obviously know nothing about the details and seem to enjoy injecting yourself into a situation where you don't belong. Richard was my friend and I don't appreciate even a hint of what you are suggesting. Attitudes like yours are the reason I have not been involved with The Band website in the past and I am quickly losing my desire to be "public" with information again. In my monitoring of this website over the past couple of years I haven't seen YOU contributing anything essential or constructive for the Manuels or Richard's legacy.

Put up or shut up.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 02:40:55 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

Andy R and a first contact with The Band

I do remember reading something about a possible Dylan tour with "The Band and/or The Grateful Dead" in the early 80's. If what Andy R says about Tom Petty doing the tour instead is true, then I am mightily effed off. I saw them when they came to Wellington but to now know it could have been The Band ..............

The best intro to The Band is probably The Last Waltz - not just because of the guests but also because The Band's performances are more mainstream than earlier efforts. Moondog is also not a bad choice. Even though it's not representative of the groups other efforts it does have a slicker production and some of the songs may be famaliar to someone who has never heard The Band before.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 02:32:21 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-001ilurbap249.dialsprint.net (158.252.112.139)

Susan

neophytes and debate

Were I introducing someone to the Band I'd probably use the Brown album because it has songs that might be familiar. Someone who's only heard The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down and Up On Cripple Creek might not expect soemthing like Unfaithful Servant or Whispering Pines.

In recent months I have introduced several people to the Band; one got my old copy of the Brown album when I got the new remastered version. Others got compilation cds tailored to what I thought they might like. I did try to choose songs from every album, and provided detailed attributions so that complete albums could be purchased.

Does it matter what order neophytes hear the albums in? Not really, but it can be fun to talk about how order of hearing might affect interest. I don't see anything wrong with expression of opinion, or disagreement. Discussion of differing opinion, examination of different reasoning,is the stuff of interesting conversation. If we did not have differing opinions to explicate this GB would have nothing but announcements of the Gurus or Barnburners performances. While this is of great interest to those who travel to see them, I don't think Peter Viney or Ragtime or Ilkka or I will be doing that too often. We get to analyze and debate, and even argue about who sang the verses on Holy Cow.

Incidently, the Holy Cow debate on Usenet produced the sort of talk I like best - a brief analysis of the singing styles of Rick and Richard. How can anyone object to that?

Posted on Wed Mar 20 02:23:32 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-001castocp0809.dialsprint.net (63.187.3.47)

rollie

looks like we're headed for screening again!!!!!!!!!!

Wow! Keehls post is totally rad! I dunno who in the heck you are dude, but we're all in trouble now!!!! Band or no Band, no cursing in the GB ok? Jan is not going to like this. At least John W and I refrain from profanities!:0) ( on screen anyway:)

Posted on Wed Mar 20 01:57:03 CET 2002 from hse-toronto-ppp178546.sympatico.ca (64.229.83.135)

Blind Wille

The Best Album by The Band

Does it matter which album draws someone into the music of The Band? I don't think so.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 01:04:00 CET 2002 from cache-2.sfrn.ca.webcache.rcn.net (208.59.199.233)

Tiny Monster

Neophyte ?

I realy have no idea what y'all are talking about.Do you think a first time listener can tell what album came first?And if they could,do you really think they would care for it more?I can't imagine that I would like The Band more or less depending on the order in which I was introduced to their recordings................."It's all good" as they say........CHEERS

Posted on Wed Mar 20 00:48:07 CET 2002 from l4duppx2.hewitt.com (63.73.213.5)

Donald Joseph

Artistic merit over time, Jerry

Brein Sz & Viney's posts, taken together, raise a good point. In shouting down Jerry I improperly melded the concept of "an artist's greatest work" with the concept of "an artist's most accessible work"; i.e., that most appropriate for a neophyte's introduction. I stand correctd; these are indeed different concepts.

I think Picasso-heads pretty much elevate "Guernica" as Pabs's masterpiece. But surely if you were introducing Pabs to neophytes (say, kids) you'd choose more accessible stuff from, say, the Blue Period.

I think the point was very well said as to "Big Pink" vs. "TLW" or "Rock of Ages": While "Pink" may be the greater art, the live discs might be the more effective point of introduction.

That having been conceded, my original point -- that some works are objectively greater than others by the same artist -- stands. Jer, pls. cry "uncle."

Viney, I'll take a tiny bit of issue with your statement that "Brown" universally gets heralded over "Pink" as the greater LP. I agree that "Brown" is USUALLY lauded this way, but I can distinctly recall seeing a few critics elevate "Pink" over "Brown" -- you've caught me without the cites, but I'm sure I've seen this more than once.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 00:47:45 CET 2002 from h119.goes.com (208.223.139.119)

Keith Reehl

What an ass you are Donald Joseph, just another airbag loser with nothing better to do than spew your bullshit opinions. Get a fucking life dude.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 00:46:55 CET 2002 from 24-197-166-150.charter-georgia.com (24.197.166.150)

Don Pugatch

Life Magazine

While doing my Krogering last night, I started to read the Life Magizine on the shelf by the checkout counter. The cover "Rock at 50" of course interested me, beside, there was a line of groceries in front of ours. Ok, here are the 4 I remember, Numero Uno, Elvis, Dos, The Beatles thres, Mr. Bob Zimmy Dylan, and our boys Number 22. Now when you think, 22 is a real accomplishment, of course some would disagree, but then again, you do not have a magazine that can be scoped out as I pay for my chicken!!!

All streamers on the net, KBCO is back to streaming, even though the station is not on a par with FUV, has an excellent plus of live recordings done at the station in Boulder, Colorado, as well as a nice variety of adult alternative and yes, artists such as Hiatt, Bela, Robbie, and the Band.

Posted on Wed Mar 20 00:22:57 CET 2002 from hvc-24-164-175-237.hvc.rr.com (24.164.175.237)

Russ

Richard's CD & Missing Rick

Hey Gang - It's nice to see a functional,if not "dys" discussion of Richard's possible "record", since the artist is not around, anyone can release a cd. Andy "R", I know who you are and saw you around town when things were happnin'. Great, if this thing's legit! Sourbag if it ain't.... I know I loved the "Souvenir" live stuff from Levon and Danko's "In Concert" & "Live on Breeze Hill" cd's when they came out. This should be moments of lost magic. Just like most good bootlegs, it will provide us with a private snapshot in time.I just hope that the deserving family should see the monies earned for it. Most bootleg booty never does...I like them like the next guy and they provide hours of enjoyment and wonder, like holding your ear against a private wall. I doubt Sally Grossman is holding it back... I'd let that one go.

As much as I love the Band studio stuff, as we all know the albums were classics created by wizards in the Woodstock hills, but anyone here who saw Rick during 70's-90's knew where the heart of the BAND was, onstage! This was Garth/Richard and Levon too. Ya never saw or met nicer guys.... I miss Rick more than ever, it just is not the same without his chuckle and calling out a tune, just rang from his heart. The Uncle Willy days are just memories and those Professor Louie/Rick gigs at Pawling,Woodstock and up and down the Thruway, were also special stuff. Since, I'm close to 45, everything is now fading into history.... Sad as it is, it's nice to get a sparkle of the past, that's not yet discovered. If it's not been heard yet, it's still NEW. Peace ya'll....Russman

Posted on Wed Mar 20 00:19:42 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

What exactly is meant by "Take what you need and leave the rest, but they should never have taken the very best"? As an impression, if not literally and logically, it may be as applicable to listening to - and categorising - records as to gathering wood.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 23:53:58 CET 2002 from spider-ta021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.51)

Brien Sz

Neophyte Disagreement...,BP

I think BP is too cerebral an outing to turn someone onto the Band. The texture of the music is to deep, complex, what have you. For someone new, I'd suggest TLW. You get the best of the best with a lot of pop and energy. ROA would also be a good choice; Don't Do It opens with such energy, you have to at least tip your hat to it. You need to get the foot tapping, you need to establish a groove. I think the musical appreciation of BP needs to be nurtured...,for a neophyte to understand BP is too much to ask for in an intial outing.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 23:45:03 CET 2002 from du-tele3-014.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.14)

Peter Viney

good, better, best

My vote's with DJ. The Band's work is manifestly not of equal value. I love even the worst of The Band, and someone's worst is always going to be someone else's best, but if you take the average 20, 50 or 1000 commentators, the same sort of order emerges time and time again. I haven't seen a critic's poll where the Brown failed to come first and MFBP next … then in a lot of them RoA (though I'd argue SF's superiority till the cow's come home). There is a consensus, and it's more than just "Me too!" ism. Just as you'll find someone to argue that The Merry wives of Windsor is better than Hamlet.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 23:25:18 CET 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Ragtime

"Best" is irrelevant.

I'd like the Band neophyte to share the same experience I had when Big Pink came out: that is to stand in absolute awe for this pure, honest & original music that came right from the heart and souls of these five men seasoned by life itself...

errr... something like that...

That's why Big Pink has to come first for the Band neophyte.

Well, I have a way of saying things, haven't I... :-)

Posted on Tue Mar 19 23:20:46 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp0411.dialsprint.net (63.187.9.157)

rollie

to John Weissner

Do you deny that that is his quote? The link should be more palatable for ya!

Posted on Tue Mar 19 22:50:25 CET 2002 from l4duppx2.hewitt.com (63.73.213.5)

Donald Joseph

Comparing artists' work across time

Jerry: Thanks for your measured response notwithstanding my "throwing-down-the-gauntlet" tone last time. Still, you're wrong -- although I seem to detect you backing down a tad.

I LOVE "Islands" (indeed, I believe "Pepote Rouge" is one of the best performances the boys ever recorded). And of course you and I both agree that all Band LP's have plenty o' artistic merit. Preachin' to the choir.

But your original point (if I read it right) was that ALL works by a given artist have EQUAL merit. That's wrong.

If you were trying to turn a neophyte on to The Band, it'd make sense to introduce him to The Band's best works first. To say a person should listen to all Band LP's simultaneously (or even in order) is unrealistic.

It's easier to understand this if we get away from The Band. Anthony Trollope was a great 19th Century British novelist, a contemporary of Dickens, who, like Dickens, was so prolific that he wrote literally dozens and dozens of novels, many of which far exceed 1,000 pages. I like Trollope, he is an acknowledged great artist, and I commend him to you. If you agree to check him out, you might naturally ask which novel to begin with, or even which ones are worth reading and which ones to skip (I'd recommend "The Way We Live Now"). If I command you to read every word Trollope ever wrote, you'd never invest the years it'd take you to do it. You'd tell me to jump in a lake.

It works that way for other artists, too. Any artist who has a big oeuvre has some bits better than other bits. To deny this is unrealistic, as well as unhelpful for hte neophyte seeking to learn about the artist.

Why don't you answer the precise question I asked last time: Do you maintain Mozart's music written at age 8 is as great as his classic symphonies & operas? If the answer is "no," then you've conceded that it's legitimate for someone to claim "Big Pink" is a greater album than "Islands."

Get with it, Jer.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 22:25:43 CET 2002 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

the vault

I love the BAND and I would no doubt purchase anything released from the vault by pre RR, post RR or Richard, however, I would rather see a new RR release for 2002.

I'm going to get it for this one!

Posted on Tue Mar 19 21:23:43 CET 2002 from du-tele3-118.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.118)

Peter Viney

Wembley 74

There are a few problems with those tapes. Both Crabgrass and I were there (though not known to each other at the time) and we both made excessive amounts of audience noise, though his previous allegation that I was the streaker during "The Shape I'm in" are unfounded. Put that with the Pink Floyd fans in front of me calling out during 'The Genetic Method" (Set the Controls for the heart of theSun …) and the fact that people were arriving all through the Band set mitigate against it. I think it's mainly Crabbie's fault. But maybe a bit mine. But I would like to hear the Tom Scott & The LA Express set which was the second best thing of the day. Joni was great (due to Tom Scott & The LA Express). CSNY were a bit over-earnest, as they could be in those days.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 21:17:09 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Jerry T

Jerry T would never bring this up.....but I can. It was Jerry's father than owned the original Concord Tavern in Toronto where Ronnie Hawkins and The Hawks began together. It was later that they moved to Le Coq 'Dor Tavern. Jerry used to check out The Hawks when he was a little bitty boy.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 21:12:25 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Matt K & Sally Go 'Round The Roses

MATT .....Your right. Just re-read your original post. Sorry about that

Posted on Tue Mar 19 21:09:27 CET 2002 from (209.100.37.253)

Chris

New Releases

I think that all of us would be interested in a quality new release of both pre-Robertson and post-Robertson Band. However, certain things are disconcerting. If Diamond Lil has done some checking and didn't receive confirmation from Richard's kids then that smells fishy. Further, given the power structure of the reformed Band, how is it that vault material would be in someone elses hands. I know there was a fire and that some things may have been lost, but master reels and other extremely important material would certainly be well kept. Where is the material?

I don't think Robbie would have anything to do at all with a Post-RR release. Not only as a participant but as a decision maker regarding whether it was released.

I say that those involved should take the cue from the releases of material from the Grateful Dead vault. A wealth of material, marketed right, could make a lot of people happy.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 21:06:11 CET 2002 from gateway.uhn.on.ca (205.211.160.1)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Comparisons

Amanda: Thank you. You and I suffer from the same 'character flaw'. I wear it like a badge. On my tombstone, it will be said that 'he saw the merit of work in its own independent rite'. "So it shall be written. So it shall be done."

Posted on Tue Mar 19 20:54:02 CET 2002 from gateway.uhn.on.ca (205.211.160.1)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Comparisons

Donald: Thanks for your response. Its nice to see passion on this guestbook. I dismiss professional critics. They are there to sell papers or magazines. Comparison is their business; its their stock and trade. We are not critics. We are enthusiastic receivers of the art of an individual. My discussion centred on a comparison of an individual's body of work from one era to another. I have no use for discussions regarding some 'performers' (ie B.Spears). It has absolutely no relevance to my thesis. I am saying that a genuine approach to an artist (call the Band an artist) is to look at each work independently and seek its individual merit. To dismiss Islands because it came at a different time than Big Pink is to demean the artist (despite what liner notes might say: like you, the boys are entitled to their opinions) in my mind. You may do what you like. I just want you to know what I think and how I feel. I'll tell the neophyte about the superlative status of Big Pink. And then I'll quickly add that the other albums have merit. Its the 'black and white' (this is what you should get: forget the others! they are no good!) that bothers me. Some look for only the best and disregard the rest. I think that diminishes our opporutnity to appreciate the work of an artist. I think we should stop comparing so much and just listen to each work for its own merit. And if that's warm and fuzzy, so be it. But politically correct? I've never been much good at that except for the gender issues. As Dylan said "You're right from you're side and I'm right from mine.". You don't need me to admit anything. It would do you no good.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 20:32:28 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

unreleased recordings

Robbie Robertson seems to be combing the vaults of late. There are 3 different multi-media versions of Last Waltz material slated for release. In addition, Mr. Robertson has mentioned his desire to put out another Band box set. Instead of reissuing yet another version of the same material that's already been released in several different incarnations, why not concentrate on recordings that haven't seen the light of day (at least officially).

For example -- I read recently that noted engineer/producer Elliott Mazer recorded The Band live at Wembley in 1974. Are those recordings sitting in a vault somewhere? Also, even though it might be unrealistic to think Mr. Robertson might consider this, I'm sure a majority of Band fans would be interested in post-Robertson, previously unreleased Band projects.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 20:23:30 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-136-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.136)

Diamond Lil

Andy R: So um.. does Richard have other kids out there that I'm not aware of? The 2 that I know have not heard anything about this..and have not been "involved" from the beginning. I would however, be glad to give them a contact address so they can correct this obvious oversight.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 19:02:23 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Website for Rollie

Rollie, here is a website that should be right up your alley. I hope it keeps you busy for a while.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 18:46:45 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

Jerry: Once again…you have very eloquently expressed yourself. I have a hard time making comparisons between the works of artists that I admire. There is so much comparing that goes on around here (songs, artists, Band members)…I was beginning to wonder if I suffered from sort of character flaw. I realize that I just know what I like…that’s all that matters anyway. I play “Cahoots” ALL the time and on “The Band”…lately…I just want to hear “When You Awake”. I have favorite songs on every Band album…original to reformed...it is a very personal thing…not something I have to measure up to everyone else’s standards.

Re: Aboriginal Voices article…first thing: Anyone that calls The Band just something that was played on the oldies station…loses credit with me. I find it difficult to understand how someone who admires Robbie and his solo work so much would be so blind to the beauty of Robbie’s work with The Band. I didn’t grow up with The Band, but I wouldn’t trade my Band stuff for ANYTHING! Why do people have anger towards Robbie about the break up of The Band? Robbie was exhausted and didn’t want to tour anymore, but weren’t record sales and popularity on the decline anyway? With or without Robbie…don’t you think it was inevitable that The Band was in a slump? Van Halen, Aerosmith, Bad Company, etc….were just getting popular from the early to mid 70s. The sound was so different from The Band. Times were changing, lifestyles were getting more glamorous, and the music scene was changing. I think something was happening that was a lot more powerful than Robbie.

I have been reflecting somewhat about The Band over the past few days. This GB is the ONLY place I get to partake in any type of discussion about The Band. I wear my vintage Band t-shirts out and about, but no one ever comments or asks, “Who are those guys?” One of my twins can actually point to and name every one of The Band members…therefore, I am hopeful. The conclusion I have come to is that we are all on different levels when it comes to appreciating The Band. My thing is my thing and your thing is yours. I can learn something from you and MAYBE you can learn something from me. The consensus is that we all appreciate the music and the five men who made it happen. The Last Waltz DVD will be delivered to my home in May. I love The Band and will never put them behind me for The Gurus or The Barnburners…. that doesn’t mean I won’t appreciate their music or get a thrill from seeing them live. I am just as supportive of Levon Helm as the person who travels to his shows every weekend. I have to do it my way, just like you have to do it the way that suits you.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 17:58:34 CET 2002 from pixout.usi.edu (192.206.9.72)

KLJ

BAND DEMOS

Shame Andy R. isn't in the bootleg trading business. Guess he's been holding on to those recordings all to himself for a while now, since none of that material has popped up anywhere else.

Why even tell us about it? Is it a tease? 'Cause, unless Andy's gonna cut each of us a copy just for kicks we'll probably never hear any of it.

Not trying to be a jerk, but, if you ain't gonna share it then don't tell us about it man. Now you've got me wanting to hear a Richard album, Band demos form the 80's. Jesus. What's next? Are there secret recordings of Robbie Robertson with the Band from '84 or '85? I mean, where's it all end? I'm foaming at the mouth here!

John

Posted on Tue Mar 19 17:48:14 CET 2002 from spider-to032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.57)

Ben Pike

Jim De also did some film work, I believe, for the L.A. New Times("Saving Private Ryan: Probably the greatest war film ever"), the guy is lame.

I just got the Criterion, super loaded edition of "The Third Man." It containes some archival footage of Anton Karas getting down on his most well known tune on his surprisingly tiny Zither. Too bad he never got to play it with The Beatles or The Band, who of course did an informal and formal version of said number respectively. It is, by the by, a great movie.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 17:39:23 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-97-18.maine.rr.com (24.198.97.18)

MattK

John D - re: Sally Grossman

John, I didn't think I took a "shot" at Sally Grossman. If anything, I think I was pretty fair in wondering what the circumstances were that would lead her to resist releasing a Richard record. I specifically said I doubted she was doing it from spite.

As far as artists who hold back releases, I can think of any number of musicians who record albums and decide against putting them out:

In 2000, Dave Matthews recorded a complete album with Steve Lillywhite producing, only to decide he (and his band, presumably) weren't happy with the material. They then fired Lillywhite and recorded a different album, with different material with a different producer, which became their most recent release. The Lillywhite version is widely bootlegged, and IMHO, is much much much better than the one he DID release - even if it's less commercially viable with fewer obvious singles.

Prince's "Black Album," was recorded as a partner record to LoveSexy (originally considered the "white album" counterpart). While LoveSexy was released, Prince held back the "Black Album," feeling it was too dark. The record was bootlegged widely however, and recently, Prince released an official version of that record.

There is reputedly the better part of a Nirvana record sitting in a vault somewhere that's been held back (and in court) due to disagreements between Courtney Love and the surviving band members (Novlesic and Grohl want it released, Love does not).

Obviously, these are all much more recent examples. Nonetheless, I didn't suggest that Richard didn't want the record released, I simply listed it as one of a few possibilities as to why any album would be held back. I have no idea why it wasn't released, which was the point of my post - assuming she's not motivated by spite, and assuming a Richard record could make her a profit, what reason is there to ignore Levon's lobbying and refuse to release it?

Posted on Tue Mar 19 17:35:22 CET 2002 from 3cust197.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.93.197)

Crabgrass

The Good, The Bad, and Recent Realizations

This is truly enlightening!! Although I have always considered Blonde On Blonde to be my favorite Dylan album (and his best) I now realize that Saved (which I thought to be Bob's worst album) is every bit as good! I only wish it was a double album like BOB. [Wow!! I just realized that the first letters of Blonde On Blonde spell Dylan's first name - mystery of the enigmatic album appelation solved!!]

Hey, Columbia - how about issuing a re-mastered version of Saved with a bunch of bonus tracks? There must be some gems left over from those sessions still in the vaults.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 17:33:07 CET 2002 from stargate-40-75.salzburg-online.at (213.153.40.75)

Luke W.

Jawbone Magazine

This leads me back to a question that I asked about one month ago, but was not answered, I think... Is the Jawbone Magazine still being published?

Van: I've lately heard Van's concert at the Pacific High Studios in 1971. What a great piece of music! This recording shows how good the songs on the album Tupelo Honey are. I even dare to say that Tupelo Honey is my favourite album by VM (what doesn't mean that it has to be his best...).

Posted on Tue Mar 19 17:32:05 CET 2002 from 110.newark-06rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.170.110)

Nick

Hey Butch

I managed to single-handedly de-construct my surprise birthday party -- whew!!-- that was close... Fifty shmifty --- Now I am free to go see Levon & the BB's and the VooDUDES at the Castle.

See y'all in Hamburg!!!!

Posted on Tue Mar 19 17:27:05 CET 2002 from l98uppx1.hewitt.com (4.17.250.5)

Donald Joseph

Jerry T and the nature of art

Jerry T: Your ramblings on the nature of art -- specifically, your thesis that one can't compare the merits of an artist's works over time -- sound warm, fuzzy, and politically correct. But they don't hold water.

Let's look at painting, 'K, Jerry? You would claim that a masterpiece (say Picasso's "Guernica" or daVinci's "Mona Lisa") has every bit as much artistic merit and value as some sketch on a cocktail napkin by that same artist. That's absurd, and you know it, Jer. Even works in the same medium by a given artist have radically different values (prices) on the art market. There are Monet oil paintings that all art critics will praise as masterpieces, and other Monet oils that any art critic will tell dismiss as "minor" works (such as those Monet painted after he went legally blind). The art market, too, reflects this: Two paintings by the same artist will sell for radically different amounts, one for millions, the other for just tens of thousands.

Indeed, artists will, when discussing their own work, point to some of their OWN pieces as better than others. Most artists will write off some of their stuff as "mistakes." Musicians often criticize certain of their old albums; members of the Band have been quoted as knocking the much-maligned "Cahoots" & "Islands" discs (Jer, go read the liner notes to the reissues).

By no standard would any sane critic say "Highway 61 Revisited" is as great an album as, say, "Knocked Down Loaded" or "Saved." "Hiway 61" is just a better album, period.

Perhaps, Jer, you're confusing personal preference with artistic merit. If someone said to me: "While 'Hiway 61' is surely a greater artistic achievement than 'Saved,' I myself actually prefer to listen to 'Saved,' because...[blah blah blah]," I would respect that person's opinion. I myself have LP's I prefer to certain others, notwithstanding my sense that they are artistically inferior; I went through a period where "Cahoots" was MY FAVORITE Band album -- but I never went through a period where I thought "Cahoots" was THE GREATEST Band album.

The prime example here is classical. I know that Wagner and Mozart are greater songwriters than Robbie and Dylan -- but I listen to a heck of a lot more Band and Zimmie than classical. And surely the Band and Dylan are greater artists than the Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears. If one artist can be greater than another, why can't one of an artist's own works be greater than others? There is some surviving sheet music that Mozart composed when he was a boy of 8. You would say these juvinile jottings are every bit as great as Mozart's classic operas and symphonies, but you would be dead wrong, and no one would agree with you (apart from, perhaps, some 8-year-old wanna-bes).

Jerry, what do YOU do when you tell a Band neophyte about our boys, & that person asks you to recommend an album? Do you say "all Band albums are of equal merit; I can't recommend one"? Or do you steer the hapless dude to Brown, Pink, or a Greatest Hits collection? See what I mean?

Jerry. pls. admit you were wrong.

Thank you.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 16:55:19 CET 2002 from du-tele3-162.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.162)

Peter Viney

Cahoots

Steve- it was an article on Cahoots for "Jawbone" magazine. I never got round to the song!

Posted on Tue Mar 19 16:34:21 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

Native American music/ RR

I have always found the Native American music community to be very accepting of all manner of musical expression when it is sincerely and respectfully offered. They are less impressed by musicians who attend their functions with a blonde on each arm and a cell phone glued to their heads. Communication happens in all kinds of ways.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 16:16:36 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

QUESTION FOR ANDY R

Andy this may have been answered already. Who actually "owns" the rights to these tapes and if Garth produced it, there would be "points" there. Would Levon receive any profits from the CD? Levon told me years ago about these tapes and I'm so glad that they are going to see the light of day; as I know he is.

BTW I saw a shot taken at Sally Grossman re" the tapes earlier. The only person I know that holds on to Masters and refuses to release them and it mught be just too late if he does......is the Cameo-Parkway artists owned by the Beatles former manager. He and Dave Clark from the Dave Clark 5 were and are the biggest holdouts re: calalog. I am not a PRO Bootleg fan; but you begin to understand in some circustances why true music junkies seek them out.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 15:51:31 CET 2002 from spider-to082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.82)

butch

the Barn still Be Burnin'

FIRST REMINDER !!!!!!!!!!!

Levon & The Barn Burners,,,,,, Hamburg New Jersey,,,,,,,,

Saturday, the 23rd of March,, THIS WEEKEND !!

Some of The Best Blues ANYWHERE,,,,,,,,,

big joe is going,,, harry & mim are going,,,chris, Little Feat's taper/archivist is going,,,

ARE YOU ????????????????????????

see ya there,,,,,,,,,

Posted on Tue Mar 19 14:30:39 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

"Jawbone" article

Peter Viney:

I was interested to see you mention an article you'd written on "Jawbone." It's not listed in the "Articles" section of the Library page here. Is it posted elsewhere?
By the way, I think you're right about the lyrics to "Jawbone": "I found a leaf, I'm gonna rake it" - completely spoils the atmosphere.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 14:23:30 CET 2002 from ac80456b.ipt.aol.com (172.128.69.107)

Andy R.

Band demos...1985 etc.

Peter V.: The demos were done in the fall of 1985. John Simon was recruited to produce. This predates the "Sony demos". I was asked by Simon to assemble a tape of possible selections, by the original artists. "The Battle Is Over (But The War Goes On)" was originally done by Brownie McGee & Sonny Terry, for example, "The Frame" by Terry Reid, I believe. It included everything from "Deep Feeling" by Chuck Berry to "Woman, Love and a Man" from the Port Dover tapes. Also several great cuts from Jimmy McCracklin, the great Arkansas blues man, from a fantastic album on Stax by him produced by the great drummer Al Jackson. Also "Every Night, Every Day" from Jimmy McCracklin who had a big hit in the late 50's (?) called "The Walk"!! Yes, this was before "Blind Willie McTell" and "Atlantic City". I still listen to this tape of material!! The demos were recorded at Woodstock Recording Studio on 8 track. Trying to draw from sources of all their influences. "Country Boy" Richard said was by Harry Belafonte or Roy Hamilton, he wasn't sure. I finally located Roy Hamilton's version. Right after finnishing the demos we played a benefit for Hospital Audiences Inc at Studio 54!!! This was an organization run by Ruth Spencer's husband Albert (she of Woodstock Times interviews with the Band you may by familiar with). We did the show to an audience of very mentally challanged people who were bussed in especially for the performance. As Richard and Levon remarked later, "I don't know who had more fun, us or the audience". Following immediately that performance we all jetted off to the 10th Annual Avante Festival in Lisbon, Portugal, where the Band played to an audience of over 300,000. I rememeber that during Garth's "Genetic Method", he had the sound of gunshots loaded into his keyboard, and when he let go with those, the crowd went crazy!! The roster of artists included an international mix, everything from Holly Near to a soviet big band jazz ensemble!!! What an exciting experience!!

One last tidbit...me driving a motorhome to a gig in Long Island, and the manager (who shall remain nameless...don't want to even acknowledge his name he was such an idiot) at the time reading a letter from Bob Dylan's office asking if we wanted to tour Australia with Bob. This "manager" turned this opportunity down because "we'll be doing our own album at that time"!!! Needless to say this is the tour that Tom Petty ended up doing. Missed opportunity, eh!

Well enough reminising!!! Y'all have a nice day.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 13:41:38 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp68928.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.187.39)

brown eyed girl

Peter: My fave VAN CD is the boot ya sent me! I personally don't like to compare the artists who have been in my life since....always....These artists helped me go through many experinces in my life....They simply became a part of my life........I am able to extrapolate something different from each of them.....Van, Dylan, Marley, Louuuu, The Band, Solo Robbie are there for me whenever I want to hear them.....I value and need to continue hearing them because.....they are foremost WRITERS!

Jerry: I recently received a card from an estranged friend who quoted Robert Henri from the Art Spirit....reminded me of your post in relation to "the artist and the expression of his/her art through their experience. I share a lot of quotes because I'm so mesmermized by the way some people are able to put words together....again....that's why my fave musicians have always been foremost writers.....

"The artist DISTURBS, UPSETS, ENLIGHTENS, and opens ways for a better understanding. Where those who are not artists are trying to close the book, she/he opens it and shows that there are still more pages possible.".....

In relation to the American/Canadian Native Community that has been mentioned from time to time in relation to Robbie's solo work or his skills as a speaker/storyteller....They are not a homogenous group....for everyone who doesn't appreciate Robbie....somebody does....In reading in article in ABORIGINAL VOICES Miles Morrisseau states: "Of course Hoskyns like many others could NEVER FORGIVE Robbie for bringing THE BAND to an end, somehow wishing that they would still be slogging it out with so many other groups that should have had the sense to give up the ghost long ago. If anything people who loved THE BAND SHOULD RESPECT that he would not give in to the pressures of a reunion and tarnish the memory and the music with a money grab. Yet for many of us who did not grow up with THE BAND, it has been the music of his solo career that has mattered the most. The music of THE BAND was just something that was played on the oldies station, it didn't have anything to do with us. I can remember hearing the music from ROBBIE ROBERTSON first as the soundtrack to the movie POW WOW HIGHWAY, I left the theatre walked across the street and bought the CD. It remains one of my all time favourites and with all respect to the music of THE BAND I wouldn't trade it for any of them"...........

Posted on Tue Mar 19 12:49:14 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.244)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Simply The Best

Allan Edge and I have indeed discussed comparing work from different periods of an artist's career. I suggested that comparing work many years apart is a ludicrous exercise. I think for example that to compare say "Blonde on Blonde" to "Love and Theft" by Bob Dylan is an empty exercise. Both are art. They were created by an artist who's head was in an entirely different place on the two occasions. Both are his creations through his experiences of the time. To say one is better or of less merit than the other demeans the artist and the expresson of his art through his experience. The trap I think is that some get into a situation wherein all they like is the way something sounded at one time. They like that sound and that's it. Any different expression by the artist is then less valued. A good example is U2. Many loved the early work. When their 90s output came out, many were disappointed. This was a group which was experimenting and trying different things. That is the essence of the artistic effort. To alter one's expression of one's art is neceesary for most artists. To do this is to allow the creative juices to continue to flow. If an artist continues to put out the same thing over and over and over again, there is never new ideation or creative expression. If I go back to Dylan now, one can observe that John Wesley Harding was very different from Highway 61 REvisited and that Planet Waves was different from Bringing It All Back Home. Even his least effective albums (for the masses) have some merit and to dismiss that album is to dismiss an important group of songs. Its the same with Islands. There is merit to Islands, even if it doesn't present a complete body of work for some.Having said all of this, as Allan correctly noted, there are a few superlatives. In this case, I don't compare. I merely say that this is a unique piece of work. The "Mona Lisa" is superb. Albert Einstein as a thinker is exceptional. "Music From Big Pink" stands alone. I would not demean The Band by saying something like "Big PInk" is better than "Cahoots". Respect for the artistry of The Band forbids that. Finally, if one dislikes the creative output of an artist, one can suggest that this work is not to his/her liking. However, when an artist is creatively important to an individual, then a critical look at his/her work should allow for each piece to stand on its own without the trap of comparison to any other work for the reasons that I have discussed. Just my opinion and I'd be interested in hearing the views of others.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 10:52:51 CET 2002 from du-tele3-144.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.144)

Peter Viney

1985 / Coalmine / snakes / Wavelength

Interesting couple of days. Andy R’s information is great- more on those Band demos please! I hadn’t heard of ‘The Frame’ before nor a full Band ‘Wish You were Here tonight’. This is an area on which too little is known – presumably this all predates the 1990 / 91 sessions with the early versions of Jericho material by several years? Was this around 1985? And what happened to it?

Good to see you back, DJ. Hope you framed that RR cut out picture nicely. They had some good frames at Osco for about 95 cents when I was last in your hood. Serious information first: Workin’ in A Coalmine was the B-side of the ‘Blue Moon of Kentucky Single’ on MCA in 1980. I’m sure some kind soul sent me a copy on tape and have just tried to find it without success (it’s probably tucked on the end of something else). That’s two things I can’t locate – the “We Can Talk” sessions being another. I guess it’s time to do some serious sorting and tidying.

The Moon Struck One- I’ve promised several people never to mention this song again after that period where I started reflex mentions of being “stung by a snake over by the lake while being attacked by a drake who tried to eat my chips with hake, I cried for goodness sake, but no one gave me a break …” See what you’ve done! It’s started off again. My article on this in “Jawbone” describes the lyrics as “Robbie’s lowest ebb.” I wouldn’t have thought I’d have jumped to its defence, but I guess I pointed out that Biblical snakes did “sting” that’s all. Still a crap word to use in a song. My main objection was the use of emphatic auxiliary verbs to pad out lines, always the sign of a lyricist in severe trouble – “and the tears DID fly”, though “And it looked like he was really really hurt, He was lying in the dirt” is probably just as bad. Nice tune. Shame about the words.

I’m trying to limit my Van references to one (or at the most two) per day and i'd run over my limit. The story is that while Garth appears on three tracks on ‘Wavelength,’ ‘most of Garth’s session never got released’ and is in Van’s vaults. I thought my ‘Wavelength’ magazine article on Van & The Band rested in the archives here somewhere.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 05:52:01 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp1988.dialsprint.net (63.187.15.210)

rollie

Media control(quote from former CIA director)for John W

"The CIA owns all journalists of any significance in the media." - William Colby - former Director of the CIA

Posted on Tue Mar 19 04:02:13 CET 2002 from dialup-166.90.65.78.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.65.78)

Pat Brennan

D-Jo is perceptively accurate as to DeRogatis. I would add that the esteemed critic references his weight problem so I don't think discussion of it is off-limits. DeRogatis also thinks Rush is fabulous.

D-Jo, you may recall that before DeRogatis got canned at Rolling Stone, he dragged another lame-o Chicago critic named Bill Wyman into the venerable halls of Wenner's castle. Wyman lasted about as long as D-Ro did.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 03:50:58 CET 2002 from spider-te062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.202)

Bayou Sam

The song "Country Boy" was a topic of discussion in here not too long ago. I talked about how it was one of my all time Band favs. I got an e-mail from a guy that said he'd been a Honky Tonk Guru or something, at one time. This guy told me a whole different story about "Country Boy" and how it was made from a live vocal recording. He said he didn't want to post this in the GB. I wondered why, but left it at that. So if Richard did indeed record it in a studio as Andy R. says - then that other guy was bullshitting me maybe. Why? I don't know. Maybe it's Bill W., or Benteen. Did anyone else get any kind of e-mails like that? Just curious.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 03:16:17 CET 2002 from ac8b68b7.ipt.aol.com (172.139.104.183)

Andy R.

Rich M.

Some further thoughts:

Tracy: Just heard that Jane Manuel is alive and well in NYC. Yes, she did work for Sally G., but she had nothing to do with Richard's material.

For those interested, the stuff in Bearsville was from the Getaway tapes...bounced up to 24 track, then overdubbed by Rick, Garth & Levon. Also "Country Boy" was recorded at Woodstock Recording Studio, with myself engineering. The Band recorded "the Band demos" there which included "The Frame", "Wish You Were Here Tonight", (submitted by me to Rick from a Ray Carles album I had), "The Battle Is Over (But The War Goes On)" and several other tunes.

An interesting point..."Country Boy" was recorded as an afterthought!!! Richard sang it several times, twice I think, and he stopped once because he forgot the words. The amazing John Simon, master of the razor-blade edit, put the final full version together by editing!!! Several other tunes were included, but I would have to look them up. I did keep a Sony WM-6 stereo cassette recorder running taking the control room mix. Interesting documentation of the fellas working out in the studio!!!

Thanks to everyone who e-mailed me regarding The Band. I haven't really shared my experiences working with these people for a long time and it DOES bring back wonderful memories.

Sorry, don't want to be too long-winded with all this. Thanks all!!!

Posted on Tue Mar 19 02:48:29 CET 2002 from dv146s68.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.68.146)

Dexy

scottrichardson@sunflower.com

Donald Joseph -- It's "E. G. 'Honeyboy' Hudson, not "G. 'Honeyboy' Hudson. Man.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 02:39:16 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

Richard Manuel album

I very vaguely remember reading something on this site about Garth and a RM album - but it could just be my memory playing tricks. It's strange that Ms Grossman is reluctant to release it - maybe this is at Richard's request. If it was just Richard at the piano wouldn't it be great if the other 3 (read Levon) could put aside their bickering and out one final Band record.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 02:26:15 CET 2002 from p02-29.hartford.dialin.ntplx.com (204.213.188.79)

Tracy

Richard Album in Bearsvill Vaults

The official recording from The Getaway sounds promising. Reading what MattK said about The Grossmans and not to badger either Albert or Sally made me think of something.

Didn't Jane Manuel work for Sally Grossman? Wouldn't she have known about the stuff in the vaults by her husband. Did she even care? It's never sounded like she was bitter towards either of the Grossman's and simply the fact that Albert had helped Richard on more than one occassion. It's also nice to know that the Manuels have some kind of estate. Maybe that's why they've gone virtually unheard of.

Tracy

Posted on Tue Mar 19 01:18:14 CET 2002 from l98uppx1.hewitt.com (4.17.250.5)

Donald Joseph

Various threads

Ragtime, on Fri. you asked where I am. Wherever there's injustice in the world, that's where I am. Wherever there are downtrodden victims of exploitation, that's where I am. Wherever Guestbook threads are unravelling, that's where I am.

Re the thread on whether The Band formed to make money or to make music: I think Patch, quoting the Hawk, has spoken to that, at least as to Patch's own signing-on: to wit, the "Frank Sinatra" comment. The answer is "niether," but the word begins with a "p."

Mike from Iowa asked about Van the Man LP's with a Band connection. Amazingly, none of you Van junkies (read: "Viney") steered Mikey to "Wavelength," the great Van LP that stars one Mr. G. "Honey Boy" Hudson. (You people DO need me around! You LIKE me! You really LIKE me!)

Jenny T: As to Ricky on a Lucinda LP, might you be confusing Ms. Williams with Ms. E. Harris, on whose "Quarter Moon in a 10 Cent Town" Rick & another Band member guest? I commend it to you.

Viney: I regard myself as something of a Mark Lavon completist. But it appears his cover of "Coalmine" is the Achillies' heel of my collection. Where did he do that song?

And re Coalmine: Just this month I was passing a TV and I heard the Dorsey (Toussaint-penned) hit, with desecrated lyrics, being bastardized in an ad shilling some product, I believe a laundry cleaning aid. This is true, but I watch so little TV I'm unlikely to encounter the ad again.

Al Edge, re "Moon Struck 1": You're a Johnny-come-lately. Years ago in this very Guestbook I too raised the absurdity of using the verb "to sting" as a referrent to a snake bite. I believe Viney took issue (as he is wont to do), arguing that in mideval British English (or was it Gaelic? Celtic?), a snake was indeed said to "sting." Uh-huh. Whatever, Viney -- you OED spanker you.

Pat Brennan et al, re Jim DeRogatis: Those of us (like you, Pat) who live in Chicago get plenty of exposure to Big Jim. Jim D-Rog is a grossly overweight rock critic for the Sun Times, to which I subscribe, & he does a weekly radio rock talk show with the Chi. Tribune's rock critic (as you, Pat, know). The (self-propogated) word on D-Rog is that he used to work for Rolling Stone, but when he refused a direct command from Jann Wenner to award a glowing review to some LP that Jim disliked, he got sacked. I religiously read Jim's Sun Times columns, waiting for him to exhibit some good taste. Frankly, Jim's holier-than-thou, Lester Bangs-is-God, self-obsessed-windbag writing style doesn't even bother me (Jim, BTW, recently published a whole biography of Mr. Bangs, so that affinity is a given). What irks me is that Jim consistenly champions bad music, and he dislikes -- or, more often, completely ignores -- good music. The Sun Times has a different critic, Lloyd Sachs, who reviews good music, esp. T Bone Burnett/Sam Phillips, Chicago blues, John Prine-y Chicago folk, Staples Singers Chicago gospel, etc. DeRogatis will only address bad music. Even the stuff that Jim himself dislikes ('N Sync, Brtiney, etc.) is bad; that is, rather than condemn good music, Jim's m.o. is to ignore it entirely (leaving it to Sachs to criticize or praise). Hence when I read Jim's comments on Patch in Friday's Sun Times (his comments in the actual newspaper were accompanied by a large photo of Jamie R.R. suitable for framing), I fell out of my La-Z-Boy: What amazed me most was not Jim's (entirely-predictable) condemnation of our beloved Patch, but that Jim had dedicated as much as a column inch of attention to Mr. J.R. Robertson in the first place. That's the most I've seen Jim discuss worthwhile music since I subscribed to the Sun Times 3 1/2 yrs. ago.

You want to flame me for pointing out DeRogatis's obesity problem, don't you? Pls. stuff it. Jim is a blimp; that's fact. Ask his doctor or his wife, or, for that matter, him. You psychoanalyze D-Rog as a frustrated jealous non-musician. But mighn't Jim's jealousy be for Patch's thinness?

Posted on Tue Mar 19 00:47:03 CET 2002 from 12-249-69-3.client.attbi.com (12.249.69.3)

Chris

On The Upside

Bayou Sam: Really??!! Wow, thanks, I had almost forgotten.

Andy R.: What a breath of fresh air. I'm glad to hear that everyone's involved and that the quality is solid. I'm looking forward to more news.

I'm sure there are many that have heard the tape of this show already. The review on this site says 80 minutes of excellent quality Richard. I don't have the show but I would love to. Anyone wanna trade?

On Van Morrison: Veedon Fleece has been one of my favorites since I was a kid. I absolutely love "You Don't Pull No Punches, But You Don't Push The River". What an album.

I have a bootleg of Van which is listed as LA Troubadour 5/26/73 with some filler from Montreux 1974. It's pretty widely circulated, but great sound quality, if anyone wants a copy let me know.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 00:42:01 CET 2002 from dialup-166.90.86.11.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.86.11)

Pat Brennan

John D, I believe the Studio A photo is actually taken just above where the boys are standing for the Cahoots photo shoot, and that you are looking at the balcony where the photographer set up for the shot. Just a guess though.

Posted on Tue Mar 19 00:25:34 CET 2002 from spider-wg023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.28)

Brien Sz

Richard and RR

Since speculation is the game..., Could it be that RR's cut is too hefty and that the Grossmans feel 'they' won't make enough or that they'll go in the hole giving up Richards families share and RR's share?

Posted on Tue Mar 19 00:19:16 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Bearsville Studio A

Is not Studio A and the back wall we see to the left of the stairs....the same shot where the boys were standing on the Cahoots Album? I believe it was unfinished at the time. I had a wonderful tour there a few years back. As the old saying goes.......if walls could talk!

Posted on Mon Mar 18 23:36:17 CET 2002 from maxtnt-2-180.enter.net (208.137.245.144)

Zeppe

Richard Manuel's Album

It shall be released!

Posted on Mon Mar 18 23:26:21 CET 2002 from spider-we084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.59)

Bayou Sam

Wow = this Richard album news is the most exciting thing I've seen here since the news that Rollie was at The Last Waltz. Seriously though, I'll be the first in line for that Richard CD. Thanks to all who pointed the way to request it's release.

One thing though - Chris, let's keep things in perspective man. The fact that there's a whole RM CD in the can, and not in our music collections, is a shame. What happened on Sept. 11th is a Goddamn crime against humanity.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 23:12:07 CET 2002 from spider-wi084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.59)

butch

the UP side

HEY !!!!!!!!!

at least with a Richard record,,, We wont have to sit through the "who sang this" comedy,,, or is it drama ????????

Posted on Mon Mar 18 22:51:28 CET 2002 from dial2a-140.i2eyenet.com (64.80.2.140)

Hi

Richard's record

Hey Butch's reference to a real Richard album is the best news all week. I was also skeptical about the Getaway release and even whether it was really Andy Robinson the announcer on the Getaway tape posting but it would be nice to get a clean board or whatever recording of that one too.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 22:49:53 CET 2002 from 66-106-4-126.customer.algx.net (66.106.4.126)

MattK

Richard Manuel Album

I lack David's discretion. Here's Sally Grossman's email:

sallybss@netstep.net

Remember folks, you get more flies with honey than vinegar. As tempting as it may be to phlame Ms. Grossman, I suggest you stow the "You and Albert are Satan" sentiments and keep your eye on the ball: getting a Richard Manuel album released...

Posted on Mon Mar 18 22:43:03 CET 2002 from 66-106-4-126.customer.algx.net (66.106.4.126)

MattK

Richard Album in Bearsvill Vaults

Usually records are held back only if a) there are legal issues surrounding the recording, its tracks, etc or b) a label decides the potential revenue from the record will not adequately offset the marketing and distribution of the record or c) the artist him/herself decides to hold it back.

I can't imagine a Richard album couldn't turn a profit, especially if marketed correctly (a la the re-release of Shuggie Otis' "Inspiration Information" last year). Assuming it would turn a profit, I can't imagine the Grossman estate hesitating on the release out of respect for Richard. I'm left thinking, then, that the Grossman estate feels there's some sort of legal "risk" in releasing the record, or even selling/optioning the master tape out to a big label for distribution/marketing.

I'm not suggesting that Sally Grossman is justified in not releasing the record, I'm just trying to figure out WHY she would resist releasing it. As much as it makes good comic book fare, I have a tough time believing she's sitting in her house listening to the record going "Mine! Mine! No one shall hear it....EVER!!! Bwahahahahahahah!"

Posted on Mon Mar 18 22:31:11 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Richard Manuel album

http://www.bearsvillestudios.com/

Look further and one might find Ms. Grossman's e-mail address there.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 22:22:19 CET 2002 from (209.100.37.254)

Chris

Richard The Man

I would think it to be an honest to god crime if a poor quality, or worse yet poor performance, bootleg were to be released as an "official" Richard Manuel solo album. However, the fact that there is an albums worth of material by Richard, produced by Honey Boy, sitting somewhere unreleased is a goddamn crime against humanity. I am absolutely floored that you say there is one out there Butch. Jesus, what a loss. And who could possibly own that master reel if not Richard's family.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 21:50:09 CET 2002 from webcache.sigecom.net (63.92.154.254)

KLJ

Richard Album

Well, ain't thata kick in da ass! So there IS a Richard album, huh?

Maybe we could all get together & send Mrs. Grossman some letters of protest so we could get a REAL Richard album.

As for Andy R's "album", if it makes Richard's family some cash so be it. Hope it's all on the up n up.

John

Posted on Mon Mar 18 21:42:03 CET 2002 from ac939c58.ipt.aol.com (172.147.156.88)

Andy R.

Richard Manuel solo

Just to set the "record" straight, Richard's estate and his kids are totally involved in the realization of this "official" release. They will totally benefit from the proceeds and have been involved from the beginning. It represents Richard at his best, solo, no studio tricks, noting added or taken away (except some hiss). Just like he was sitting in your/our living room and playing. What a fantastic guy. Thanks for your concern folks.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 21:31:56 CET 2002 from spider-wc032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.32)

butch

richard

a real record,, by Richard , sits in the vaults @ Bearsville Records,,,,

ask Sally Grossman why it isnt being mastered & released,,,

Levon has been after her for years to release it,, if i remember right,,, Garth produced it,,,

i was @ The Getaway the night Richard played & sang,,, it was a poignant night & one to never forget,,,,

but ,,, all the copies ive heard,, were mediocre @ best,,,

andy r did sound that night,,,, & if this record is released w/o 100% of the profits going to Richard's family,,,, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, KARMA !!!!

Posted on Mon Mar 18 21:19:38 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-35-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.35)

Diamond Lil

"Official" Richard Solo Release (?)

Andy R: I assume by your words of an "official" release that Richard's kids, Josh and Paula, will be benefitting from this, yes?

Posted on Mon Mar 18 21:15:43 CET 2002 from 66-106-4-126.customer.algx.net (66.106.4.126)

MattK

Surrender the Grub

Grub should not be confused with "grubbery" - theoretically, I suppose, grubbery is the adjectival form of Grub - e.g. His clothes reminded her of Grub's. "That look is very grubbery," she told him.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 20:41:28 CET 2002 from (206.144.243.162)

Grub

The band

Great web page! Grub gives it 2 smoldering grabows! I sure enjoyed the video clips they were great.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 20:40:54 CET 2002 from webcache.sigecom.net (63.92.154.254)

KLJ again

Levon and the BB's pics

This is the 2nd time I've tried to post this site. It's got some good Levon & the Barnburners pics that I don't think have been seen on this site (although I could be wrong).

Later

Posted on Mon Mar 18 20:38:27 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Workin' In A Coal Mine

As I recall, Dr. John played guitar on Lee Dorsey's original recording of "Workin' In A Coal Mine". The track of course was produced by Allen Toussaint, one of the great masters of N'Awlins-style, syncopated grooves.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 20:37:06 CET 2002 from webcache.sigecom.net (63.92.154.254)

KLJ again

Levon and the BB's pics

Hey it's me again:

I forgot that I had stumbled across some Levon and The Barnburners pics that I don't think I've seen on this site yet (although I could be wrong).

I've put the link above.

Later

Posted on Mon Mar 18 20:23:04 CET 2002 from webcache.sigecom.net (63.92.154.254)

KLJ

Richard solo?

I'm skeptical about the Richard album, no disrespect intended towards Andy R.

If it is true, then I'll be the first to buy it. If not, then it's just another rumor. Seems the Richard solo rumor has fluttered this way before.

Of course it would be great to hear more Richard, but it's unlikely that anything exists other than what we've already got on various 80's boots.

It is a shame that RM never released a studio album, but HEY, beggars can't be choosers. Let's enjoy what Richard we have rather than hoping for the Lost Ark of Richard Manuel.

Again, Andy R. if you are for real don't take it personally, but I do not readily buy what somebody tries to sell me at face value.

Just my 2-cents worth.

By the way, on the re-release of TLW, I'll probly buy it, but was dissapointed there wasn't more Richard. Of course, having the Complete Last Waltz I'm aware Richard wasn't at his best that night, but they shoulda put Georgia on there at least. Yet another unforgivable ommission.

Take care Band fans

John

Posted on Mon Mar 18 20:08:40 CET 2002 from stcatherines-ppp109208.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.139)

Richard Patterson

re: trojan horses

It's GEEKS Butch. The GREEK shall inherit the world.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.131.245.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.131.245)

Pat Brennan

Richard at the Getaway is not what one would consider a professional recording. If I may ask, what Japanese label is putting this out?

Posted on Mon Mar 18 19:32:42 CET 2002 from du-tele3-012.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.12)

Peter Viney

Loved Bassmanlee’s Sibelius quote (no doubt Ilkka’s dog did too, though he prefers Bach). Reminded me of a reception at a publishers. About six authors (including me) were in a huddle, and the Marketing Director walked over. We all stopped talking. “Ah!” he said, “Authors complaining about publishers again! That’s what they always talk about!” Actually, no. What we were discussing was low back pain and the sorts of desk chairs that relieve it, as well as exchanging addresses of osteopaths. This is what full-time authors really talk about (though RSI is coming in). I once hadthe privilege of having my back manipulated by an osteopath who had done both Tolkien and William Golding. Not that I’m claiming any other connection! When he told me he was saying that most authors suffered in the same way. It was only when I got outside that I realized they were both twice my age.

Great news from Andy R. Nice reminder to watch Rick’s bass video again too.

When Van was still doing the Veedon Fleece / Common One material on stage (20 years ago), it was the best I remember him.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 19:30:07 CET 2002 from spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.154)

butch

trojan horses

BEWARE of GEEKS bearing gifts,,,, or is that greeks,,,

all things & people are NOT what or whom they appear to be,,,,

thats enough said,,,,,

he knows,,,,,,,

Posted on Mon Mar 18 19:17:58 CET 2002 from (209.166.233.21)

Jon Lyness

Re: Lucinda Williams and Rick Danko

Jenny T: I don't know of any instances where Rick guested on Lucinda's albums, but (likely what you're thinking of) both Rick and Lucinda added some harmony vocals to Chip Taylor's own excellent vocals on his "Seven Days in May" album a few years back. I recommend this album (see link above) very highly...artfully simple songs about a relationship, acoustic guitar-driven with Garth's beautiful synthesizers & saxes sweetening most of the tracks...I can't imagine any fan of heartfelt, soulful music not liking this one. Well worth tracking down.

Thank you for the wonderful news, Andy R! You can't give us ordering info soon enough on this Richard Manuel album. We've waited years and years for something like this. In case you haven't gotten the idea yet: We're interested!! :)

Posted on Mon Mar 18 18:58:03 CET 2002 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

bassmanlee

Van on TV

In keeping with the Van thread, anyone else catch the "From a Whisper to Scream" special on Irish music last night on Bravo cable channel? A feature bit on Van, or course, as well as some face time talking about other artists. (Well, pretty much the whole bod...and that hat, sad to say). Interesting bits on Rory Gallagher, whose name I've been mispronouncing for a few decades and Horselips, who I'd heard of but never seen or heard. Now there was a concept - Irish glam/trad! And I never knew that U2 was responsible for the resurrection of the Irish economy. I suppose in 3002 they'll be celebrating St. Bono day!

To really be in the minority, my triumvirate of Band lps was always Brown, Stage Fright, and Cahoots. Appreciation for BP came later. I guess it all depends on when you encountered each, esp. in the formative years...

And, regarding the recent TLW royalty discussion, a great quote for Dick Cavett, hosting the Detroit Symphony broadcast, paraphrased here: Sibelius (I believe it was) attened a dinner where the other guests were all businessmen. Afterwords a friend asked him what he, as a composer and musician, could possibly talk about with a group of busineesmen. "We talked about music, of course!", he replied. "All musicians ever want to talk about is money!"

Posted on Mon Mar 18 18:33:56 CET 2002 from spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.183)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

We Cover The Band

HEY THERE BAND FANS: Just a quick post to let y'all know that my band ; "The Bridge" covers quite a few Band tunes as well as solo Rick & Levon.

Anyone from the greater Pittsburgh area (or anyone planning on visiting), please check-out our website (posted above).While visiting, please sign the guestbook. We'd love to see you at our gigs. Make sure you come up to the stage & introduce yourself.

Thanks for taking a min. to read this....

Dave

Posted on Mon Mar 18 17:50:10 CET 2002 from stargate-46-3.salzburg-online.at (213.153.46.3)

Luke W.

Richard Solo Album

Andy R., wow, this sounds fantastic! Could you please tell us, if there will be overdubbings like on "Country Boy" on the Jericho Album (I mean additional instrumentation...)

Thanks, Luke

Posted on Mon Mar 18 17:32:38 CET 2002 from intern2.wdse.org (131.212.19.41)

Marsen

Solo Richard

Andy R: Regarding the solo Richard album, that's the best news I've heard in a long time! I'd be all over it in a heartbeat! Keep us all informed, as I'm sure it will stir great excitement here in the GB and beyond.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 16:59:03 CET 2002 from aca6b37e.ipt.aol.com (172.166.179.126)

Andy R.

Have been following this website for the last 3 years. Enjoyed the various comments regarding The Band. I was the road manager and sound person for The Band over a period of almost 10 years, from 1984 through 1994. I'm playing drums on Rick's bass video which was filmed at my (with Doug James) studio in Woodstock, Woodstock Recording Studio.

I know ALL of you GBers will be happy to learn that I have been involved with an official release of "Richard Manuel live at the Getaway" performance from 1985 on Dreamsville Records in Japan!!!! Will keep you posted as to when it might be available.

I lived in Woodstock from 11/69 till 12/94. I also lived in the attic room of Big Pink on Stoll Rd. from 1985 to 1986 and had the pleasure of hearing from Rick, Richard, Garth and Levon some stories of what it was like there when they lived and recorded the Basement Tapes. If I can be of help with any questions just let me know.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 16:32:08 CET 2002 from 66-106-4-126.customer.algx.net (66.106.4.126)

MattK

Fave Van CD

I dunno, my first Van album was Veedon Fleece (actually, I bought it on 8-track), and it is my fave to this day...

Posted on Mon Mar 18 16:26:46 CET 2002 from 0-2pool44-159.nas1.cincinnati1.oh.us.da.qwest.net (63.232.44.159)

Jenny T

Lucinda Williams and Rick Danko

I am really enjoying Lucinda Williams' Car Wheels on a Gravel Road. I think I remember someone mentioned that Rick sang or played on some other album of hers. I couldn't find any that said so on the cover in the Lucinda bin, so I am wondering if someone could tell me the title of the album and any other info about it.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 13:21:29 CET 2002 from 209.236.161.42.cnjnet.com (209.236.161.42)

MIKE LENAHAN

GURU SHOW

Hey G-Man, Sounds like everyone had a killer time. I wish I could have made it but, I booked a few appearances at the local Irish bar this weekend. As alway Jimmy, Randy and the Gurus play there hearts out everytime. They are indeed the hardest working band around.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 06:17:50 CET 2002 from 1cust31.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.31)

rollie

Islands

Remarkable! I had "Islands" on all day as well Crabby! Side two is some of my most favorite music to date.It takes me "there".The title track.Pure Hudsonia........

Posted on Mon Mar 18 05:24:22 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.140.93.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.140.93)

Jeb Stuart

A Dark Day Indeed

St. Patrick's Day cannot pass without a nod to the Gallant Major John Pelham. "I loved him as a brother."

Posted on Mon Mar 18 05:07:46 CET 2002 from atpm3-6-42.enter.net (208.137.244.98)

Zeppe

Stagefright

I also like Stagefright better than Big Pink. It does have a much clearer sound to it. The songs on Big Pink have more of an echoing sound to them. I think the songs on Stagefright had more meaning in their lyrics. Robbie was starting to get a little personal in his songwriting. The Shape I'm In seems like a perfect song for Richard to sing, as Stagefright is suited to Rick. And Sleeping is one of the most beautiful songs to listen to. It is one of Richard's best and is probably the last great song that he wrote. When Richard sang "I'll spend my whole life sleeping," maybe he was giving us a hint that he would no longer be writing. All la Glory is my least favorite song on the album. I don't think Levon was a good choice for this song. I think the ballads were better suited for Rick or Richard. The Rumor is my favorite on the album. It's very reminiscent of We Can Talk the way the three singers share the vocals. Most of all, I like Stagefright because of its short length. I can sit down and listen to it in its entirety without taking up too much time. The remastered BP with the bonus tracks clocks in at 70 plus minutes. I just can't find time in the day to sit down and listen to the whole CD. I think the reason Stagefright does not get alot of credit is because it had to follow up the mighty Brown Album.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 04:25:44 CET 2002 from dialup-64.158.84.247.dial1.buffalo1.level3.net (64.158.84.247)

G-MAN

GURU SHOW

Saturday nite Jim Weider and the Honky Tonk Gurus and friends rocked. The waves of Joyous Lake rolled!! Believe me there were waves of fans, as the Lake was jam packed!! Tons of Road Warriors, too!!! Levon was there and lent a hand on two songs!!! Billy Wags was super on the harp! Malcolm Gold and Jeremy Baum also joined in!! Jim Weider, in typical Weegie fashion, was OUTSTANDING!! Dan Mckinney just SPED away on the keys!! ALbert "THE HATTER" Rogers was doing some heavy singing!! Commando Rando let out with some stupendous vocals and was fantastic on the drums!!!! And I was going to stay home and watch TLW!!!!

Posted on Mon Mar 18 03:08:16 CET 2002 from cache-udd.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.151.68)

Al Edge

ORANGES AND LEMONS

I'm not so sure about what you say, yer know Crabgrass, me old fruit. Maybe unlike us limeys you haven't really got to the core of this issue, despite all them there crab apples on that there front lawn of yours. Speaking personally, I suppose it's just that at the end of the day there's something about an orange I find strangely...'appealing'.

There again, maybe I'm simply going bananas.

Yours grapefully

Al 'Tutti Frutti' Edge :-)

Posted on Mon Mar 18 02:06:14 CET 2002 from 1cust173.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.92.173)

Hank

Gig Tonight....

Hi there, gang! Open Kitchen and meself are havin' a grand ol' time in NYC on St. Paddy's Day.... Hopin' to see some of you tonight at The Baggot Inn 82 West 3rd St. (subway to West 4th Street station) in Greenwich Village!!!!!!!

$5 cover - (cheap).... 2 drink minimum. We're the only band on tonight (9:30 p.m. but best to get there by 9).

Catch ya later!

Posted on Mon Mar 18 01:54:31 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

Stage Fright

Strawberry Wine is one of my favourite Band songs - to me it would fit well on The Band. I never really got into Daniel and the Sacred Harp until I heard the outake on the re-release. I love the intro being sung over the drums. It took me a while to work out Levon was singing All La Glory. This song is more Richard territory but Levon makes it his own.

Posted on Mon Mar 18 01:17:50 CET 2002 from spider-ta073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.78)

Brien Sz

In the Minority

I don't have to be on an island to tell you i'd rather have Stage Fright in my collection than Big Pink. I listen to SF more than BP by a long shot. I know i'm in the minority on this but i enjoy SF as a whole, more than BP. It's a snappier outing as far as tempo to songs. I love BP, don't get me wrong, but on my list of Band albums BP comes in after SF, Brown, and ROA (not necessarily in that order).

Posted on Mon Mar 18 00:49:39 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

Bad CD Day

Woke up this morning. Put Van & the Chieftans on. Got to Track 5 at the 56 second mark.......skip... skip... skip... skip...I really MUST listen to ALL Tracks immedately after purchasing. Oh well too to stop now.....

Posted on Mon Mar 18 00:33:17 CET 2002 from 1cust134.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.94.134)

Crabgrass

Apples & Oranges

I've been listening to Islands a lot lately and have come to the conclusion that it's a much better album than any of the first 3!!

I also think apples look and taste much better than oranges and you don't have to waste time peeling them either.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 23:18:48 CET 2002 from cache-har.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.133.118)

Al Edge

COMPARISONS

Pete- funny thing is, with me existing in my little vacuum and with little or no publicity over in the UK as you will know only too well, I had to make my own mind up about the boys' stuff.

I must admit I absolutely adored Stagefright and still do. It always sounded crisper and cleaner than the first two albums. Thing was though I never felt it was as much of an entity as the first two - more a collection of really great songs performed impeccably. I think I would stick to that viewpoint even now.

Anyway - Moonstruck One. I heard it first as the flip side to the single [white label] Life is a Carnival. I loved it then and still love it now. Richard's voice is so atmospheric and Garths organ is spine-tingling which I think more than make up for some of Robbie's lyrical shortcomings.

I've always felt if Robbie could have somehow had it so that poor little John had been drowned [cheerful so and so eh?] rather than 'stung' by that flippin snake masquerading as a bumble bee and he also could have been a bit more imaginative about the reason why they were unable to leave the house, then it would have been an absolute treasure of a song. As it is I merely adore it. Always will. The uncynical, uncritical eye, eh?

Posted on Sun Mar 17 22:50:49 CET 2002 from du-tele3-012.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.12)

Peter Viney

Stage Fright

The thing about good, better and best as applied to music is that it’s all impossible to quantify, but quite fun to mess around trying to do given a bottle of wine and a CD player, a few opinionated friends and a stack of CDs. This must be the 10th time I’ve quoted John Bauldie, who said ‘Stage Fright’ was part of a triumvirate of albums and of no lesser quality, and he said side two was equal to any side on the first two albums. I’d qualify that, I’d say Side 2 + Sleeping and All La Glory. The thing about Stage Fright is … though I’d be happy enough to be on a desert island with Strawberry Wine, Time to Kill, and Just Another Whistle Stop, they’re just not quite as good as the rest, nor quite as good as the first two albums. These three songs carry the burden of the perception of a quality drop, and so how come they put them as three of the first four? Maybe even a little spacing out would have helped. I’ve beaten this drum before …

Lee Dorsey – yes, and Levon recorded ‘Workin’ In a Coalmine’ too. I’d say Lee D was proportionally more successful in the UK (whoops, comparison again). Essential listening (also Robert Parker).

Posted on Sun Mar 17 22:19:00 CET 2002 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

Paul Godfrey

Lee Dorsey & Van

There is more than a passing Band connection with Lee Dorsey. While visiting Woodstock in the late summer of 1977 I got a music appreciation lesson from Levon that still stays in my mind.

He put on an old copy of WORKIN' IN A COAL MINE by LD and proceeded to point out how the backbeat in the song was so original and made numerous other comments about the song, musically. He obviously held Lee Dorsey in high esteem.

After ASTRAL WEEKS my favourite Van CD would be ENLIGHTENMENT. It still gets a lot of play in this household. Still love the humourous line: "And We Let The Goldfish Go"! Shine On everybody paulg

Posted on Sun Mar 17 22:13:22 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-td011.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.151)

butch

my mistake

re-reading my entry ,,,, i saw i wrote, that Levon & The GURUS 1st tune was Blues Stay Away,

vapor lock, or brownie-brain,,, it was DOWN HOME BLUES !!!!!!!!

close,, but no cigar,, i know,,,,,,sorry

but everything else stands,,,

THE GURUS ROCKED WOODSTOCK !!!!!!!!!!!

&

OWNED THE JOYOUS LAKE !!!!!!!!!

Posted on Sun Mar 17 21:57:36 CET 2002 from cache-har.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.133.118)

Al Edge

SIMPLY THE BEST

THE BEST?

I notice, there's talk below about which represents Van the Man's best - no contest IMHO btw - 'Astral Weeks' though I get the distinct impression that Van would kill anybody who proposed it to his face seeing as he has gone to the trouble of making about ten million albums since!!!

Anyway on this very question of what or what is not the best I had an interesting E-mail discussion with Jerry off the GB. From our mails you will see it is clearly something we both find fascinating.

Perhaps others here might also find it an interesting subject. Then again....

Initial mail from Jerry in response to a GB post of mine relating to my submission that Big Pink and The Band are unique works of art…..

Let me give you a perspective on something that bothers me about myself and others, too.

It falls into the realm of comparison.

Why do we have to fall into the trap (and I believe it is a trap. I have gotten caught in it, and continue to get caught) of comparing one artist to another or one period of an artist's career to another?

I understand that you (and I) love the work of Dylan and the Band of 1966-1974 with a passion. We agree that it is superlative. But, as you say, "Sugar Baby" and work like it is excellent, too. The human frailty that we were born with suggests that at some level we must put them side by side and decide which is 'better' or which one we admire or like more. Why do we have to do that? Why can't 'Sugar Baby' stand on its own, without standing beside anything else. Do you not think that an artists's work is perhaps demeaned by comparing it either to others' work or to his/her other work or.

Is 'Blood on the Tracks' better than 'Blonde on Blonde'? I don't want to even consider the question? That's for listmakers. I want to get above that. I want to think... what are the attributes of Blood on its own, without comparators? What are the attributes of Blonde...without comparators?

I want to rise above the pettiness of the media and the critics and those who can't let go of something they love to the extent that everything must have an order of priority. I don't see art in that way anymore. I want to look at everything on it's own merit without betters and bests.

If I don't like something, I'll say so. But, if something (painting, music, woman) is special, let that thing or person be special in its (her) own right. Without comparison.

I'm not being precious here or pedantic, I just feel there is no need always to have to grade things, Why can't they simply stand alone? What do you think, Al?

My response…..

Funnily emough you have hit upon an area of 'elitism', shall we term it, that has often been a source of debate with my son, Chris. It is a fascinating topic and one I can never seem to fully grasp.

Our Chris - probably in line with what you wrote - has always been firmly in the camp of 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. That there are no such things as absolute superlatives since if only one person [only one star shines?] disagrees with the concensus of everyone else then that alone is sufficient to take away the tag of 'the best'. Or looked at the opposite way as long as even one person thinks a thing is best then IT is also the best and by definition as good as anything else making them not solely the best as it were.

Personally, I must say I see that one as a bit hard to get my head around and also a bit tenuous and difficult to relate to any actual 'live' situation where there will always be criteria by which to make a judgement against. In other words a guy on a desert island since birth who has only ever eaten seaweed may think seaweed truly is the greatest thing 'since sliced bread' LOL but what's his criteria?

Then, of course, there is the whole question of expertise, experience et alia which are particularly relevant when comparing music, art etc. The more 'into' a subject you get, the more validity your opinion acquires. In other words a University Professor who has spent virtually his entire lifetime immersed in his subject MUST surely have more of a valid view on that subject than someone with merely a passing interest who just happens to be big in the 'opinion' territory. So it is with music I would maintain.

In stark contrast to our Chris I have always been a terrible one for saying 'this or that is the best'. Whether it be a picturesque view, footballer, an 'ice-hockey' player [don't ask me to name any LOL], a singer or plate of spaghetti bolognese, I invariably feel a need within me to establish which is the best. I am, if you like, that 'opinionated' non -expert on every bloody thing under the sun. [It's the Scouse genes. I swear. (Too much so I'm told LOL)]

Anyroad, goodness knows where such a compulsion springs from. Perhaps it is the result of an extremely competitive personality. Perhaps it is the result of the type of work I have done all my life wherein I am forced to analyse and segregate every component of every plan of every building that ever crosses my path.

Or perhaps, as you yourself say, it is a natural - and arguably unnecessarily destructive - human trait always to compare one thing with another. Maybe it is a human extension of Einstein's Relativity Theory in that we cannot truly perceive something in isolation. Unless we view it relative to something else there can be no truly meaningful view on it.

Who knows? [The old man in the mountain, perhaps? - Sparky - not sure if you remember him]

Regarding The Band and the post to which you responded concerning their first two albums. What I would say is this.

I think I wrote the post in response to another from good old Bayou Sam who had questioned my 'gift from the gods' superlatives concerning 'We Can Talk'. I was no doubt responding in that hyperbole fashion I tend to adopt whenever my heroes are brought into question.

On reflection, I can now apply what we are talking about here i.e. is anything that good that you can place it categorically above everything else?

In the cold light of day, I would say the sober aspect adopted by yourself and our Chris is the more sane and sensible one. The correct perspective on these things. After all, how can any two albums be ranked as THE BEST? It's sheer nonsense when you consider all that has been recorded down the years.

That said, Jerry lad, I have to be honest and admit to you that I do still have deep down inside that burrowing little worm of comparison which is forcing me still to say that those two records have never been beaten. That we Band fans are the chosen ones for finding them all those years ago. Or since for that matter.

Crazy yeah? Elitist - possibly but not consciously since I wish everybody could get to embrace them.

You know, Jerry lad, it's a funny old game isn't it - to which there are probably no absolute answers.

I tell you what would be fun though - if you put your letter up on the GB. I really do think your question deserves a wider audience and response as it is SO pertinent to how we all perceive and rank The Band. I'm sure you'll find there are more who share yours and Chris's perspective than the one I seem to cling to. Though of course if you took those two albums out of the equation then I would be there right behind you too.

It is only with those two albums and the peak reached at that time by the guys who made them that I feel this way about anything. Other than Liverpool Football Club of course!!

Jerry's response…..

I take your point and would say this.

Despite the proposition that I put forth, there are likely in the world the RARE superlatives. Albert Einstein among thinking men might fall into that category. Sir Alexander Fleming or Fred Banting may be two who are superlative in medicine.

In the same vein, I can see placing Big Pink in a category all of its own. In this case, I would not compare it to anything. It stands alone. By itself. Unique. Not to be compared.

Perhaps you would like to put a precis of our discussion on the site.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 21:28:31 CET 2002 from cache-har.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.133.118)

Al Edge

HOLY MOO COWS

As arguably the Band's most unique lyric - I know it either IS or ISN'T unique but who on here really gives a toss - namely 'I'll tell/show/whatever you how to milk a cow', it is indeed fitting that the singer of that priceless and matchless line should get to sing Lee Dorsey's song dedicated to that very same cow. BTW Its name is Saint Daisy May for those completists amongst you - canonisation took place only last May. Prior to that it was known as just plain Daisy.

MOOOOOOOO!!

Is moo a swear werd btw?

Posted on Sun Mar 17 20:53:42 CET 2002 from cache-har.cableinet.co.uk (194.117.133.118)

Al Edge

Sir Hank Wedel

Flippin'eck, heckythump and blooooooooooomin' Nora!!!!!!!!!

Go away for a few days and the entire blinkin' werld is turned upside down

Sure got some reading to jollywell do!!!

First things first, however. Good luck or well done [depending on whatever time he's on] to Hank and his crew at the Empire State. Nice one Hank. I'm sure all on here are proud of you.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 19:42:39 CET 2002 from 2cust64.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.194.244.64)

Crabgrass

Barn Burners Out West

I recall a few Barn Burner concert dates in the Northwest being listed on this site during the past 18 months, Sacramento CA amongst them.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 19:32:07 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-th042.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.37)

Bayou Sam

SEX

MADE YA LOOK

sorry, I couldn't resist. I won't do it again. I promise :-)

Posted on Sun Mar 17 18:53:07 CET 2002 from du-tele3-002.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.2)

Peter Viney

Rick Danko's range

Changed my mind about subject titles. Yes, as Chris says, Rick seems to have been willing to play any Band song. More to the point, I think he's the only one that had the range of styles to do the whole repetoire, so that he could do basically "Levon" vocals and "Richard vocals." There's a tape somewhere where he does a couple of lines of Daniel & TheSacred Harp, yet that was never done live by the Band.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 18:46:54 CET 2002 from du-tele3-002.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.2)

Peter Viney

That Joyous Sound (of Van)

Think I might do all the subject references as Van titles. This one gets Butch’s favourite Van album and a nod to Joyous Lake … So, Van’s : “The Best of … Vol 1” is a great album (especially for the car) but the title is not accurate. The compiler largely chose “The Best of Shorter Van songs …”. I can see why you’d avoid an 11-minute job like ‘Listen to the Lion’ or 20 minutes of ‘Summertime in England’, but as a result ‘Tupelo Honey’ gets represented by ‘Wild Night’ not the title track. ‘St Dominic’s’ would be best represented by the title track or ‘Listen to The Lion’ but you get ‘Jackie Wilson Said.’ And no ‘Caravan’, ‘Madame George’ or ‘Cypress Avenue’. I’ve been remedying that this afternoon with my own “In Van Entertainment” compilation.

Where Van and The Band get close is soul. Yesterday I was playing the Atlantic “At The Club” soul compilation and later Peter Doggett’s “Are you ready For the country” compilation. The Band are not only on both (He Don’t Love You and King Harvest), but probably the only artists on the two sets who could happily be placed on either. And when you hear ‘King Harvest’ among all the Gram Parsons / Dillards / Byrds stuff it stands out that they have a soul feel that is completely different from the country rock / Alt. country / Americana scene. Well, you all know that anyway.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 18:11:24 CET 2002 from 12-249-69-3.client.attbi.com (12.249.69.3)

Chris

Yes Indeed

Hey Peter Viney...

I agree, Rick was a walking jukebox. I once saw him at The Last Day Saloon in San Francisco and he did absolutely everything that the crowd yelled out. Wait a minute...I take that back, some idiot kept yelling "DO OUTTA DA BLUE". Ricky, being Ricky, kept smiling and finally after the 10th time he explained it wasn't something that he sang. Well three yelled requests later Rick starts into "Out of the Blue"...doing the chorus which he changed to "Out of Your mind...Out of Control" then stopped dead as the guy, oblivious to the reference, was just getting into it. The crowd got a great big howl out of it, Rick had a huuuuuge smile on his face. But wasn't that always the case. After the show I gushed on Rick that he was one of my hero's...incidentally the same thing I told Levon, both times true and accurate, and the two fine gentleman handled it the same way. They seemed honestly surprised and a little embarrassed. I explained that I was a drummer and had never, at that point and to this day, heard a better rythym section in my life. Back to the point, Rick gave both my wife and me a hug and said that he just loved playing to friends.

What a guy.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 17:47:30 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tj034.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.34)

Calvin

Possible Band Reunion

From reading the posts I am guessing I alone feel this way. I don't think I could ever go watch RR, Levon and Garth and a Vegas casino. Setting aside the schlock factor of Vegas, I can't imagine a Band without Rick-he was the guy for me. And who would sing? No, when Levon, Rick and Garth went out they put out productive "Band" music and were supporting it. RR, Garth, and Levon hiring some singers and hitting Vegas would just make me sad. And really, I believe all 3 of those man, regardless of any personal feeling for each other, have way too much integrity to do it.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 17:43:11 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-td072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.182)

butch

The Guru's GURU,,,,

last night,,,,,@ The Joyous Lake ( still a sewer )Randy, Jimmy & The GURUS rocked woodstock,,,,

i brought Levon up before the set started,, so we could visit with rando & rita,, jimmy & Kuniko,, & Tom Pacheco , snake, & all the sundry woodstock family,,,

Levon was intro'd after a blistering version of REMEDY, & rando moved to "just" vocals & percussion as Levon settled behind Rando's Yamaha's,,,,,,,,,,

1st up was a soulful version of Blues Stay Away,,, with some guy sitting in on harp & the Guru'skeyboardist playing right in the groovethat Levon set,,, it was very smooth,,,,,,

Then Weider called for Deep Feeling, giving Levon credit for turning him onto thaT SONG, YEARS AGO,, & ALL THE MILES HE HAS GOTTEN OUT OF IT,,,,

then the boss was gone,, we weaved through the PACKED house,,,so many GUESTBOOK folks i saw,, on the way thru,, wish i coulda stayed longer & visited,,,

Gary Burke ( Guy Davis co-drummer & crowmatrix drummer ) was there visiting, & he & LH hugged & hung out,,,

all in all ,,,,, a GREAT night in old, old, woodstock ( van reference)

THE GURUS ROCKED ,,, & RULED THE NIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!

we just had fun enjoying THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!

shoulda been there for this one, folks,,,,,

Posted on Sun Mar 17 17:32:05 CET 2002 from spider-wq043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.165)

Harry & Mim

Why You Won't See "The Band" out West (or anywhere else, for that matter)

Friends & Neighbors:

To the fella who wants to see "reincarnations" of The Band out West - a "reincarnation" is literally all you can hope for. With Mssrs. Manuel & Danko off to that big sleep, and Mr. Robertson filling his role as self-appointed spokesman for all things musical (which actually doesn't allow for the thing he is best at - PLAYING MUSIC), there is NO POSSIBILITY of any shows except Levon Helm & the BarnBurners deep blues (and the lack of folks with good taste PROBABLY PROHIBITS much touring outside of several hours drive from the Woodstock, NY area). Mr. Hudson has also been known to grace area stages with his formidable musical stylings but, again, the "music business" won't support an artist of his ilk these days (much more important to have Janet Jackson & N'Sync at the "rillyy big shews" and mega-tours - gotta give "the people" what they want, ya know.)

Best bet - check the concert appearance schedules and make an extended trip back East to see some of the best music ever.

On another note, "Tupelo Honey" was Van Morrisons' masterpiece?????? Charlie, you gotta get to your local "record" store more often. Outside of one or two good tunes, "tupelo" marks one of Vans' alltime lows. Give "A Night in San Francisco" a spin and see if you would rank "tupelo" above it...

Yer friends -

Mim & Har

Posted on Sun Mar 17 15:27:31 CET 2002 from mix-rouen-107-2-171.abo.wanadoo.fr (193.248.21.171)

daniel david

By looking at the sheer number of posts you can read on this site (just look at the number for this weekend alone!!), what I meant yesterday was that, compared to other GBs, this GB is very much alive and should be kept that way; maybe i'm only just stating the obvious but you are always sure to find something new of interest to read, let alone the regulars posters who submit quality postings and who will recognise themselses, I'm sure. Enough of that. I had always thought that the lead singer on "Holy cow" was Lee Dorsey! Listening again to the Band version, it seems obvious that whoever is singing lead is above all trying to emulate Lee Dorsey and is doing a very good job of it to the point of being uncanny.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 09:53:43 CET 2002 from 203-79-95-4.apx0.paradise.net.nz (203.79.95.4)

Rod

Robbie vs Levon, testing , 1,2,3 testing ....

I've only ever seen any of The Band on video but based on that I'd say Levon is the most natural speaker. Robbie, especially in The Going Home video tries a little to hard at times (and I'm a confessed Robertsonian).

I always thought Robbie and Garth shared the vocals on Holy Cow.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 07:59:43 CET 2002 from 64-66-194-68.stkn.dial.netzero.com (64.66.194.68)

Ruth Rasmussen

I just want to thank you for this beautiful web sight,I have yet to see another web sight done with such thought and sincerity,Reading about The Band took me back to a comfortable place,thank you again,Ruth Rasmussen

Posted on Sun Mar 17 06:25:24 CET 2002 from a016.pdai.com (65.162.118.16)

Paul from Las Vegas, Nevada

Agree! We'd sure love some shows out here in the west!

I hope that I'm not the only one who'd love to see one or another incarnation of The Band play in Las Vegas. We have several venues that would be just perfect. Might I suggest The House of Blues at the Mandalay Bay Hotel or The Joint at the Hard Rock Hotel? Those are both about 3,000-seat theaters. With any promotion at all, such a show would sell out. CSNY sells out the 12,000-seat MGM Grand Garden every two years with almost no promotion. On another subject, what ever happened to the old county fair circuit? I remember catching The Band at the 1990 San Diego County Fair in Del Mar, CA. It was quite a show. Could the boys still do a county fair tour?

Posted on Sun Mar 17 06:11:31 CET 2002 from h0050ba8ceef5.ne.client2.attbi.com (24.61.49.141)

Long Distance Operator

Rick and Richard with the quasi-Byrds

I have been listening to the "Gene Clark @ Friends" CDR featuring the mighty Richard Manuel and Rick Danko. God I love those guys! Some really worthwhile stuff on there. Rick and Richard team up for a sublime "The Rumor, and Rick does a nice solo take on the Jimmy Reed chestnut "Honest I Do". The show was recorded in Evansville, IN on May 16, 1985. Anybody else have this?

Posted on Sun Mar 17 04:51:15 CET 2002 from user-2ini98g.dialup.mindspring.com (165.121.37.16)

Northwest Runner

Concert Sites

Every morning when the Internet kicks in

It’s to the good old GB that I go for a spin

Long time lurker, seldom saying,

but for one thing I am always praying

when I visit the concerts site

will I see a place where I can go some night?

When will I see some West Coast state symbol letter,

Not just those NY, NJ, PA, OH, it gets no better

How about some West Coast letters with the rest

OR, BC, even ID, WA would of course be best

I want to see Levon happily drummin’

Until I do I’ll just be bummin’

Come on out and play for us, I’ll go to CA or CO, I’ll take the bus

But please all I see is more of those

NJs, MAs, NYs, KYs and so it goes.

Won’t you ever come out here into my view…

Or has that old rocking chair finally got you?

Posted on Sun Mar 17 03:17:33 CET 2002 from 3cust234.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.93.234)

Crabgrass

GB Defectors / PH Guest Book

Well, well - I see that some of those who prefer a "threaded" GB have already started crawling back from "alt.music.the-band" in light of Jan's brilliant innovation!!

I have a strong suspicion the poster responsible for the PH guest book being dead is the very same one that attempts to deaden this one quite often.

Posted on Sun Mar 17 02:49:49 CET 2002 from spider-wo042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.37)

Charlie Young

Van the Man & Jan the Man

Great idea, Jan! This way the GB is like reading a newspaper--you can glance at the headlines to hit the articles you want to read fully as you have time.

As far as favorite Van Morrison albums, I have to put his masterpiece TUPELO HONEY at the top, followed by the live collection IT'S TOO LATE TO STOP NOW (though I own a couple of boots that are almost as good, just not as long). After that there are incredibly brilliant works such as the MOONDANCE album, ASTRAL WEEKS, HIS BAND AND THE STREET CHOIR, VEEDON FLEECE and about a dozen other absolutely amazing records. Then there is his work with Them, the Chieftans, The Band and various others. Don't get me started...

Posted on Sun Mar 17 01:35:32 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-td032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.162)

butch

for my $$$$$$$$,,,,, one of Van's best is PERIOD OF TRANSITION !!!!

with those DR JOHN arrangements & those n'awlins sounds,,,,

& a GREAT Kansas City,,,,,,as only the MAN can do,,,\, of course, every other record of his is a GEM too,,,,,,,,

off to helm's & then to THE GURU'S show,,,,in Woodstock,,,,,,,,,,see ya dere,,,,,

Posted on Sun Mar 17 00:09:16 CET 2002 from 3cust48.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.93.48)

Crabgrass

RACONTEURING ETC.

Robbie's "raconteuring" skills are best seen in the way he put the Band's song lyrics together while Levon I'm certain would be much more engrossing sitting around a pot bellied stove on a Saturday night. Stories in song form, however, hold up much better upon repeated listenings.

I can't believe folks keep quoting that nonsensical tongue-in-cheek "mathematical guitar genius" description of Robbie by Dylan. Robbie is exactly the opposite. Rather than being a mere technician he plays with great feeling and expressiveness - or at least he did in the old days.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 22:28:47 CET 2002 from mix-rouen-106-2-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (193.248.139.248)

DD

GETTING ADDICTED TO GB

ONLY JUST DISCOVERED GB. So many nice things to read about the Band and other stuff.I try to follow the Procol Harum GB .Compared to this one it seems dead!!! About Van the Man, try listening to his live albums. “Irish Heartbeat” is a masterpiece.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 22:25:47 CET 2002 from stcatherines-ppp109261.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.192)

Richard

Way To Go Jan

Great idea Jan... Should be much easier now to scroll back and locate information as well as scroll forward past the rubbish...

Posted on Sat Mar 16 22:22:39 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tc041.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.166)

JTull Fan

Did I miss the place to put the subjuect? Oh well. On Sutcliffe and Lennon, I had heard something vaguely like that some years ago. I thought the gay thing involved Brian Epstein. Oh well, not enough evidence for me. I'm sure if Lennon were truly bisexual David Bowie or Elton John would have verified it by now. I'm not saying that to be derogatory in any way. Lennon had close personal and professional relationships with both men, and if he had such inclinations, I am sure one or both would have confirmed it this many years after his death. On the storytelling thread, at least in the Last Waltz, it seemed to me that Robbie was re-telling Levon's stories, as he was not being completely cooperative in the film effort, and they were important to the narrative. Then again, any musician is a storyteller, right?

Posted on Sat Mar 16 22:20:49 CET 2002 from du-tele3-040.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.40)

Peter Viney

Genuine subject headings

Do I get a prize for using real topic headings rather than "testing"? But the point is that Elton John is on TV doing a rather interesting live broadcast. He's playing the top ten of his songs that viewers vote for. Say The Band had done that. they'd actually have to have learned a few of them that they never or rarely played live! In fact, I think the only one who could genuinely have stood up and said "I'll play any Band song you ask for" was Rick Danko. (Including "Holy Cow")

Posted on Sat Mar 16 21:51:31 CET 2002 from 1cust138.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.94.138)

Crabgrass

Testing

Score - A+ for Jan!!

Although I bet some folks will still complain about having to scroll past too many subject lines that don't interest them.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 21:44:15 CET 2002 from du-tele3-064.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.64)

Peter Viney

Robbie's plenary

Matt lead us to this:

An amiable, assured speaker, Robertson is the Forrest Gump of pop music, with a gift for being in historical places at the right time. His speech recounted chance encounters with everyone from Sammy Davis, Jr. and U2 to Edie Sedgwick and Lee Harvey Oswald assassin Jack Ruby -- and that was just the first 40 minutes. Unlike most keynote speakers, Robertson didn't much mention the state of the record industry or the world; and unlike most keynote speakers, he was actually interesting.

Sounds OK to me.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 21:16:08 CET 2002 from atpm3-1-37.enter.net (208.137.243.47)

Zeppe

New GB Feature

Jan, I think the subject line is a good idea. It's a good way to help people decide if they want to scroll past a certain entry. This Guestbook shall continue through eternity and be passed on to newer generations.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 20:08:45 CET 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Ragtime

Hey, a New Toy from Jan!!!!!

Just following MattK's subject...

Posted on Sat Mar 16 19:43:33 CET 2002 from bandfan.halden.net (195.70.189.163)

jh

New GB feature

You may now add an optional "Subject" header to your guestbook entries. This should make the GB sort of semi-threaded.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 19:40:03 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-98-14.maine.rr.com (24.198.98.14)

MattK

Hey, a New Toy from Jan!!!!!

Oops. Suppose I should actually ATTACH the website?

Posted on Sat Mar 16 19:39:33 CET 2002 from bandfan.halden.net (195.70.189.163)

jh

Subject line test

Testing

Posted on Sat Mar 16 19:37:57 CET 2002 from bandfan.halden.net (195.70.189.163)

jh

Testing

Posted on Sat Mar 16 19:37:43 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-98-14.maine.rr.com (24.198.98.14)

MattK

Robbie is not a good public speaker, truly. Though many feel he's "slick" (primarily due to his expensive taste in clothes, it seems), I've always found his manner in taped interviews to be somewhat awkward. Whether he's a longwinded blowhard or not I suppose is in the ear of the beholder.

The attached Web Site gives us the view of another writer who felt Robbie's speech was unique because, a) it did not focus on the "state of the industry," and b) It was actually interesting.

I'll take Pat Brennan's word this guy's a wanna-be weasel - lord knows there's at least one self-important hipster on the local music beat in most towns.

Sucking at public speaking isn't exactly a sin, anymore than charismatic is exactly a virtue. I've seen Nobel and Pulitzer winning writers who are terrible speakers - both publically and privately. As long as Robbie can tell a good story through music, I'm happy.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 19:03:32 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

Must disagree with the disagreers. . . I HAVE listened to both Levon and RR in person and there is no comparison. To be fair, I haven't had a first-hand view of RR in years, but my friends in the Native American music community give me no reason to change my view on this. And "a great raconteur" by definition is sensitive to his audience, is not boring and does not "drone on endlessly." That's my POV but I think I have good reason to hold it.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 18:48:26 CET 2002 from du-tele3-177.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.177)

Peter Viney

Kay, be fair, if either you or I were sitting in a bar and Robbie or Levon sat down and started talking, I’m sure we’d be delighted with either of them as raconteurs. Go back and read the 1969 Ronnie Hawkins interview, and you’ll see that he was seemingly the common source of some of the best tales anyway. Certainly the first in print. Or they were kind of commonly held. And Robbie’s tales about the European tour with Dylan can hardly have been lifted from Levon, who wasn’t there. Nor his stories about his cousins playing guitar on the Six Nations. Surely all of these guys in the Band were great raconteurs. Levon has a wonderful and unique turn of phrase, and with the accent I reckon his versions sound better too, but not in a different ball park. Rick was too by all accounts. Garth definitely is. Even Mickey Jones tells great stories. Surely one of their strengths is that they are ALL great storytellers, which is why they make their instruments act as narrators.

What a wonderful point it must be to have so much Van Morrison to explore. I’d put “The Healing Game” very high too. On concerts, it’s the stuff from “Beautiful Vision” that often seems to get the biggest applause. Well, that is unless you get a rare “Astral Weeks” surprise like “Madame George. But most are not expecting that. A few years ago, Wavelength magazine polled readers on their favourite albums, and the biggest surprise was finding “Beautiful Vision” way up in the top three or four. It was never a critics’ choice. I’d say I’d avoid the special interest ones (tributes to skiffle, jazz, country, Mose Allison) and go for the albums of originals. Oh, but “Irish Heartbeat” with The Chieftains is a superb special interest one. It’s hard to go wrong.

“Wonderful Remark” appears in an earlier incarnation on “The Philosopher’s Stone” double album of rarities and outtakes. Great song. You can see how much more focussed it later became with Robbie as producer on the “King of Comedy” OST (Now on “Best of Van Morrison”).

Posted on Sat Mar 16 17:39:03 CET 2002 from (203.197.126.107)

yazooman

Dear Jan the Man !!

No threads please.....I simply love the GB the way it is. Its like an extended family where everything gets discussed...and you get to learn so many things.....you never knew.

Currently Listening to IMO Liz Reed from an ABB boot from 1971........awesome as usual......

Thank god nothing like what happened to The ABB befell The Band.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 17:36:49 CET 2002 from spider-tp052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.197)

Joe

I have only heard Robertson's stories on video, but have heard Levon tell many up and close.....The man is colorful and comical, really knows how to tell em'. Some people have the knack for that. Especially Levon, luv to here that drawl.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 17:27:43 CET 2002 from (203.197.126.107)

yazooman

I disagree Kay !

The few videos I have seen of The Band and its musicians, both Levon and Robbie have come across as great story tellers ( and I am sure the others are/were also great storytellers in their own way ). My own personal feeling is that Levon comes across as more loose in the way he speaks while Robbie comes across as more intellectual. Raconteurs they both are, but the way you like them is the way you expect it to be or like it to be. After all it is a personal thing. It is our personal feelings about and for music that induce us come to this site and discuss. Same for Peachheads and Deadheads and and the rest of whatnotheads on their rspective GBs.

I haven't met either Robbie and Levon and I am also pretty much sure that very few on this GB ( if at all any ) would have been there at Levon's story-telling sessions ( to Robbie ). So its useless to opine on who is the better storyteller.

PS. Though Robbie did retell some stories rather well.....we still break our heads over whether it was mud or blood ( it WAS mud !! ), it matters that much to us !!

And yet I know folks to whom it wouldn't matter a tuppence. :-))

Posted on Sat Mar 16 17:22:11 CET 2002 from intern2.wdse.org (131.212.19.41)

Marsen

Hello to all! Thanks again to Jan for the great community he provides for all of us. Many people have learned so much on this GB, and it sure seems to be thriving. I never knew how ignorant I was before becoming a regular lurker. I cast my vote for the original format to remain, as I think many topics can be included in one entry, and one comment can change the whole course of the discussion.

As for Van Morrison recommendations, My favorite has always been "His Band and the Street Choir". I think that album stands out, kinda like "Big Pink", and the "Brown album" do with The Band.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 16:51:53 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

Peter Viney, I beg to differ. Whatever else he may be, RR is NOT "a great raconteur." Levon Helm is a great raconteur, whose stories RR often retells. . and not as well I might add.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 16:51:34 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tb073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.53)

Ben Pike

And, Pat, I may add... DeRogatis is one of many would be hipsters who jeer at rock's dinousaurs while painstakingly imatating Lester Bangs.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 16:49:30 CET 2002 from spider-we084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.59)

Bayou Sam

Charlie = Aeorsmith. They splintered for a short time and realized that they had had a good thing. The band managed to land on their feet, clean and sober - and all alive. Yeah they sometimes sound a little repetitve, but I like 'em.

I dug deep into my pockets and picked up that issue of MOJO with Brian Wilson on the cover. The story is about the legendary lost "Smile" album. It's a cool story........There was also a kind of disturbing story in there too. It seems that Stu Sutcliffe's sister has written a book on her late Beatle brother. She manages to level accusations that John Lennon had a homosexual thing with Stu (which I couldn't care less about, personally), and that Lennon was the one who beat and kicked the shit out of Stu which lead to his ultimate death. According to the story McCartney was there and carried Stu home. That's pretty heavy stuff to present 40 years later. It'd be interesting to hear Paul's take on it now.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 16:26:52 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp0846.dialsprint.net (63.187.11.84)

jeffrey

OOPS! Wrong link on that last entry! Who woulda thunk there'd be more than one Garaj Mahal? Try this one.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 16:21:48 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp0846.dialsprint.net (63.187.11.84)

jeffrey

For a look at a "true" mathematical genius on guitar, and a Hudson influenced keyboardist,not to mention a great web page, check out the above link.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 16:10:35 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-002ilurbap040.dialsprint.net (158.252.113.152)

Susan

Can't pass up the chance to recommend Van Morrison albums. My personal favorites are "No Guru, No Message, No Teacher," and "The Healing Game." "No Guru" is a softer, more reflective album (well, all Van's are reflective) but "Healing Game" is great to move to. Van has his groove back and he won't let go.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 15:54:09 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-002ilurbap040.dialsprint.net (158.252.113.152)

Susan

Yes, yazooman, I'm with Calvin. Need to hear the Band has caused me to make several purchases I'd been putting off, so I understand well the passionate Need To Hear. My new DVD player arrived yesterday, and we attempted to hook it up, to much argument and intense studying of the instruction book, (and great peril to the tv in extracting it from the close-fitting niche it occupies). All this in preparation for the release of The Last Waltz.

The first thing watched, the only DVD in the house, was Little Feat in Germany in 1977. It's a decent show, but Lowell George is beginning to take a back seat in guitar playing. The DVD had what they called a 'Bonus Track', part of a performance of "Cold, Cold, Cold" from another show, much earlier, when LG was in fine form. The resident guitar player now wants me to track down than show and find out if there's more. He has great, misplaced, faith in my ability to ferret out these things.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 15:42:33 CET 2002 from sam5.revealed.net (208.16.227.100)

Mike

I'm going thru the "What's New" section this morning and had "The Best Of Van Morrison" playing. For the first time, I took notice of the song "Wonderful Remark". I don't know why I never noticed it before. I'm most of you GB'ers in here knwo of the song. I'm a big band fan too, but just noticed it this morning. I could picture Van and Richard singing this one...I only wish that he had collaborated more with The Band. Speaking of Van, any recommendations on what else to buy from his catalog? All I have is The Best Of and Moondance. Outta here for the day...As for Holy Cow, Rick sings the verses while he, Richard and Levon add to the chorus. At least that's what I think.

Mike

Posted on Sat Mar 16 14:37:52 CET 2002 from spider-wk071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.181)

Calvin

Youre making way too much of it Yazoo, I just though being India's biggest fan of The Band, and not having the Band's music available for purchase in India was a problem that needed addressed. If anyone has a cable station called Ovation I caught an hour concert by Nancy Griffith, featuring a few guest stars of merit, from Glasgow-I figure it is a few years old, but it was a real pleasure to come across it late last night.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 13:09:02 CET 2002 from (203.197.126.107)

yazooman

I know this is pretty late.....but I wanna publicly acknowledge the help of Susan Adair and Calvin in responding to my fervent pleas on the GB to acquire Band boots.

Thanks to them, I have managed to acquire for myself a small but quite decent collection of Band music, rare and otherwise. I am deeply indebted to both of you for sharing the music and spreading the wealth. Thanx for trusting and being so patient even when things got screwed up on my side.

PS. Thanx are also due to my great friend Soren frm Denamrk who started me out on this trip for collecting Band boots...

Posted on Sat Mar 16 12:51:04 CET 2002 from (203.197.126.107)

yazooman

Wasn't that kewl ??? :-))

Posted on Sat Mar 16 12:49:48 CET 2002 from (203.197.126.107)

yazooman

Hi there folks !!!

Sometime back there was this debate on the GB about Pete Seeger which I followed with great interest, Pete being one of my fave artists and someone whom I really appreciate a lot. Pasted below is an excerpt from an interview of David Gilmour, he of Pink Floyd fame, where Gilmour says that Pete Seeger happens to be among his guitar influences !!

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GW: Who are your favorite guitar players?

Gilmour: I'm not a fan of many rock guitar players. Jeff Beck's my favorite; a damned fine player.

GW: You're not keen on the modern technical schools of guitar?

Gilmour: No. It's probably sour grapes, because I'll never be able to do it. Eddie Van Halen has done a few things that I like a lot. But for the most part, no, that kind of thing doesn't interest me. Guitar just happens to be the instrument I can best express my feelings on. I'm not very fast on it, but you don't have to be. You hear something like John Lee Hooker doing "Dimples". Between the vocal lines he just hits the bottom string on the guitar - boom! - that one note says it all. My guitar influences are people like Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, Hank Marvin and Jeff Beck. But there hasn't been anyone recently that I've been turned on by.

GW: It's great to hear you acknowledge a guy like Pete Seeger.

Gilmour: Oh, Pete Seeger's a wonderful, fantastic human being. "America's Tuning Fork", they called him at one time. I learned guitar off his Pete Seeger Teaches Guitar record. That was the first instruction I had. The first track taught you how to tune the guitar. That was pretty important.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 11:06:59 CET 2002 from du-tele3-002.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.2)

Peter Viney

Reading Simon Napier-Bell’s entertaining “Black Vinyl- White Powder.” He says the two tasks of a manager are (a) finding a group (b) much, much harder- keeping a group together. On which, even with The Who, I thought that Townsend and Daltrey had hated each others’ guts for quite a period in there too! “Almost Famous” shows some of this beautifully (and I haven’t yet seen the expanded directors cut which isn’t out here). The T-shirt scene, where the manager shows them the T-shirt with the guitarist more prominent than the others is great.

On Jim Derogatory’s article – hang on, why would you have a major figure up to do the opening plenary? Does anyone want to know Robbie’s opinion on DVD-Audio, or enhanced CD, or Gangsta rap? The reason you’d book Robbie is because he’s an established figure and a great raconteur, and you’d want to hear him talk about his career, tell some anecdotes. I must admit I’d have yawned a little if I heard him do ‘The South will rise again’ or ‘ You know, they booed us everywhere we went” anecdotes yet again, but in front of a large audience not steeped in the various video interviews, I’d’ve been surprised if he hadn’t, and if I were the organizer, disappointed if he hadn’t.

Brings back a personal memory. Way back in the 1960s (as the Incredible String Band said) a group of students from various universities were invited to the American Embassy in London for an afternoon’s seminar with Saul Bellow. I was one of the lucky ones (expenses paid too) and spent two weeks reading EVERY one of Saul Bellow’s novels in preparation. So, I was excitedly ushered through the doors we’d been so recently demonstrating outside (Stop the War etc) and waited for the great man. His first announcement was that he would not talk about anything he’d ever written but was here to talk about English Literature only. The twelve of us American Lit majors were then subjected to two hours of the man’s views on Shakespeare and Dickens. Pissed off? You bet. Does that explain why Robbie would (sensibly) have talked about his own career?

Posted on Sat Mar 16 08:05:06 CET 2002 from 2cust74.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.194.245.202)

Crabgrass

Move over BB's... move over Gurus... move over Rover... Hank Wedel and Open Kitchen are back in town!!

Just came from a very excellent late night set at The Living Room - the hippest folk spot in NYC and probably on the planet. If you missed it they'll be playing in Manhattan again on Sunday 9:30 at The Baggott Inn at 82 West 3rd St., and tomorrow night in Brooklyn at The Water Street Pub at 66 Water St. at 9. Other possible dates added.

And if you're wondering how much Hank paid me to post this the answer is "Not enough!"

Posted on Sat Mar 16 07:49:23 CET 2002 from a010-0067.blgs.splitrock.net (209.254.61.67)

Jack Straw

Regarding the instument that Richard is playing in the Landy photos ( it's in three of them actually). It's probably an autoharp. It could be any number of zither-type instruments, maybe a zither-harp. All of those are rare, so my guess is an unusual style of the garden variety autoharp

Posted on Sat Mar 16 06:37:38 CET 2002 from spider-wg052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.42)

Dave Z

There's the things we like to believe about our perceptions... and then there's the things we do... Derogatis did his job best when he plugged the Chicago acts... Hmmm, did that make any sense?... Tracy: If Robbie, Garth and Levon got together... it could potentially be fuckin' mind blowing... they are all still fresh and talented players... and TLW guests are now more than ever media legends... of course it won't happen... but anyway... excuse my language, blame it on an involuntary surge of edginess from being around this place... btw, weren't Dylan and Bruce screwed during their early development period? And given that a R&R HOFer recently released an awesome solo CD... boy, you'd just think those socially minded wrecka compnays in search of quality music... would opportunistically be stalking him down as easy prey... Hmmm, did that make any sense either?... Nope...

Posted on Sat Mar 16 06:09:24 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp1920.dialsprint.net (63.187.15.142)

rollie

Great photos! Can somebody tell me what instrument Richard is playing in the first Band basement photos?

Posted on Sat Mar 16 06:05:02 CET 2002 from cache-2.sbo.ma.webcache.rcn.net (207.172.11.233)

J. Amiano

Shoot Out in Chinatown racist? Gimme a break. You'll be burning vintage album copies next.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 05:16:49 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tg063.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.178)

Calvin

Not too correct you CHarlie, but isnt the reason the Stones didnt record an album for about 5 years in the 80s because Keith and Mick ahad a major falling out and actually didnt speak to each other for a couple of years?

Posted on Sat Mar 16 04:51:03 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-31.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.31)

Charlie Young

I heard that God is a woman, so maybe Madonna is God. But I also heard that God is dead, so maybe Madonna is dead. Thank God...

"Holy Cow?" I think that Phil Rizzuto sang that freakin' song!

Now back to the feud...how many bands from the 1960's have survived without major long-term feuds? Not the Beatles, Beach Boys, Kinks, Rascals, Simon & Garfunkel or countless others. I guess that the surviving Stones and the Who have managed to get along better than most, but I can't think of many others.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 04:42:21 CET 2002 from coretel-184-084.charm.net (162.33.184.84)

Tiny Montgomery

I agree with Ragtime - it's Rick doing his best Richard immitation. There's no mistaking Rick's inflections on certain phrases, such as "I can't sleep" and "nerves on edge".

Posted on Sat Mar 16 04:02:16 CET 2002 from spider-to013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.48)

Bayou Sam

I just checked out the b & w Landy photos. Great stuff. The feeling one gets looking at those pics is the reason we all come here. Foget the feud, money, politics and all the other B.S. It's right there in those photos, and on the albums.

I like the shot of RR and Levon sitting on the lawn together with Levon playing the mandolin. Two buddies in simpiler times. But, I LOVE the shot of Garth standing on top of that Dodge.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 03:50:49 CET 2002 from spider-to013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.48)

Bayou Sam

I thought Clapton was God?

Posted on Sat Mar 16 03:37:54 CET 2002 from 209.236.161.18.cnjnet.com (209.236.161.18)

mike lenahan

Hey, Donna, G-Man and Ruby Let's all keep it real.....Jim, Randy, Prof. Louie and The Crowmatix, Garth and The Boss Man Levon are giving us GREAT music day in and day out. They are all non-stop Rock,Jazz,Blues players who are the best in the business. Let's not forget that. Have fun in Woodstock. I wish I could make it. Don't forget RR fans (it's all about the music, not the dollar).

Posted on Sat Mar 16 02:54:11 CET 2002 from arc1-222.upland.in.hypervine.net (216.117.91.222)

LittleMissLuvin'

Robbie Robertson is God.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 02:38:53 CET 2002 from p01-40.hartford.dialin.ntplx.com (204.213.188.40)

Tracy

Okay, maybe people didn't understand my question as "kramedogsdish" since I went under a different name but the same IP comes up. Unless you have to be rude and/or blunt (makes no difference).

My question is, who would want to see a half-assed Band reunion for $250 - $350 if it was with just Levon, Robbie, and Garth, and they only reunited for the money? If we're going to pick apart Robbie Robertson, how would you feel if The Last Waltz was only a joke until the money was needed?

Tracy or kramedogsdish

This ought to be fun ;)

Posted on Sat Mar 16 01:45:24 CET 2002 from dv242s68.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.68.242)

Dexy

Man, great shots in "What's New." I have no doubt everyone was playing the instruments they appear to be playing. That's the truly unique thing about those guys -- imagine any other group where the "drummer" can go get a standup bass and start playing. Having seen Levon play electric bass live, I'm sure he can do it. Remember Robbie playing DIXIE on piano for the VH-1 doc? I had no idea. How those five guys ever ended up together is a mystery (though not to Ronnie, as shineonpaul so aptly noted recently). HOLY COW -- I agree with MattK. Rick with Richard. Got to be.

Posted on Sat Mar 16 00:37:30 CET 2002 from dax13.revealed.net (208.16.227.156)

Mike

I just picked up a great book printed by Life Magazine called "Rock & Roll at 50". It lists the top 100 rockers...Some odd choices indeed. However, The Band made 22 on the list. It's kinda pathetic that Madonna made #6, while Jimi Hendrix made #16. Oh well, I guess. But nice to see that Dylan made #3. I think The Band should have made top 5, but sadly that's not the case. Still wonderful to see them not forgotten. Pick up a copy if you can. Check out the link above...Here's to TLW remaster and DVD coming soon. I'll be first in line.

Mike

Posted on Sat Mar 16 00:33:40 CET 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Ragtime

Well, I must have become a guestbook veteran since it's the 5th time I see this topic passing by...

The only reason I can think of why this Holy Cow discussion keeps popping up every year, is that these guys were capable of impersonating each other's voices. So in this case it's Rick "doing" Richard hey hey hey...

Or the other way around of course...

No! It's definitely Rick, with a little help of Richard and Levon.

And I'm repeating these remarks every year...

Well it ain't no joke (no joke) hey hey hey...

Posted on Sat Mar 16 00:10:35 CET 2002 from du-tele3-153.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.153)

Peter Viney

Thought the RR press release far more interesting than Jim Derogatory's derogatis remarks (I may have that the wrong way round). Hope we get a transcript of the Ben Fong-Torres interview. Wow! Fancy being interviewed by a character in "Almost Famous" : - )

Let's try and get the Chicago version of "Holy Cow" up and running so we don't have to worry about this one anymore (and as for the subsequent stage of the argument, no I don't think they'd have changed roles so soon after the record).

Posted on Sat Mar 16 00:09:21 CET 2002 from ns1.prenhall.com (198.4.159.5)

RG

BTW the instrument Richard is playing while he is sitting on the ground, in the B&W Landy pictures, looks like a really old Gibson Mando Harp. It looks like the same instrument Robbie Robertson played in the sound studio scene from TLW.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 22:30:20 CET 2002 from atpm3-2-13.enter.net (208.137.243.69)

Zeppe

I loved the photos posted today. They looked like a happy bunch together back in 1968. I noticed the few oddities in those pictures. Garth playing violin, Robbie playing Accordian, and Levon playing upright bass. I can imagine Levon being able to play an upright because he played other string instruments, but did Robbie really know how to play accordian, and did Garth know how to play violin, or were they just having a little fun for the camara. Of course, Garth could probably play anything if he wanted to. And what was the instrument Richard was playing while sitting on the ground. I've never seen anything like it.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 22:20:21 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-98-14.maine.rr.com (24.198.98.14)

MattK

"if you walked on me, yeah" sounds like Richard to me.

Peter, as you may have read, I posted my thoughts on this at length in the newsgroup, but when I read that conversation with Rick, I just don't get a sense of certainty - and as I said in the newsgroup, I understand HOW Rick said it is important, and I'm not privvy to that.

Richard drags the end of phrases whereas Rick was more prone to dragging out the front of phrases. Generally Rick sang "on top" of the beat, and Richard sang "behind" the beat. The singer on the verses of most of the lines of Holy Cow is singing behind the beat and drags on the end of pharases.

I am, however, rapidly coming to the conclusion that Holy Cow is a Rick/Richard duet where they trade lines, even on the verses. Previously, I thought it was Richard on verses and Rick on choruses - (with Rick, Richard and Levon singing the "Hey Hey Hey" refrain in unison).

I never felt Rick's comment really "settled" the issue, entirely. That final line that conversation about Richard being the lead singer seems somewhat playful to my eyes. I agree that the Chicago tape is the best shot we have at getting it definitive. Failing that, a breakdown of the master tape, a la Rag Mama Rag on the Classic Albums video would be the holy grail, I think.

Robbie has said nothing on this (unless you feel Bowman is speaking 'for robbie' in the remaster liner notes. Has anyone ever asked Garth?

Posted on Fri Mar 15 21:59:09 CET 2002 from (209.100.37.254)

Chris

This is a segment of the Jim DeRogatis article from the Sun-Times. I certainly got a chuckle out of the Robbie Robertson characterization.

'Four days of panel discussions kicked off Wednesday. But when Robbie Robertson delivered this year's keynote address on Thursday morning, he quickly proved that while he wouldn't be apologizing for the major labels, he wouldn't be attacking them.

Robertson opened traditionally enough with a funny anecdote about how the notorious gangster Morris Levy came to claim co-songwriting credit for the first two tunes that Robertson wrote for his early mentor Ronnie Hawkins. But from that point on, his speech became a self-serving recap of his many career highlights, from the Band's first electric tour with Bob Dylan, through "The Last Waltz," up to his recent recordings of music by Native Americans.

By neglecting to offer any insight into what others might learn from these experiences, or where the business failed or did right by him, the guitarist came off as a self-obsessed windbag, droning on for double his appointed half-hour.

Robertson's conclusion? "I'm not gonna cry gloom and doom" because things in the music business are just fine--or at least they are for him.'

Posted on Fri Mar 15 21:55:56 CET 2002 from p01-17.hartford.dialin.ntplx.com (204.213.188.17)

Kramedogsdish

Got a question in regards to Robbie and the whole state of reunions. What I would like to know is, would Robbie be even more villified by Band fans if he decidedd to reunite with The Band just for the money? When do you limit yourself in what you can do instead of doing it for the wrong purposes? Have music fans become so jaded and so hungry to see an original line-up that they're willing to take out half their life's savings and say, "We forgive you for breaking up, but we'll pay ANY amount you ask of us?" Would Band fans feel this way or feel that The Last Waltz was a sham and that it was only a farewell until the bank accounts were dwindling?

kramedogsdish

Posted on Fri Mar 15 21:24:10 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

USA Today has an article listing 10 places associated with Rock&Roll.Along withMemphis' Sun Studio, San Fransisco's Golden Gate Park, and Detroit's Motown Museum they mention West Saugherties, NY's Big Pink. At least a few Guestbook faithful will be keepin the spirit alive in that neighborhood tomorrow night.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 20:11:59 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

David Powell: you stupid right-wing fool of a stooge! Don't you know that it is Bush and Cheney who are sending the spam in the first place? They will take the money we send them, buy weapons for some anti-Iraqi group, and use the whole thing as an excuse to bomb Nigeria! Dad-Gum it! ON DANKO/HOLY COW: I had the priviledge to watch a rare performance of this song in the 90's, and it was a Rick vocal. True, he also did The Shape I'm In, a Richard vocal, BUT, his live vocal sounded like the original, unlike Shape I'm In, where the difference is clear.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 20:07:04 CET 2002 from 229.newark-05rh16rt.nj.dial-access.att.net (12.89.169.229)

Nick

I take from David Powell's comments about spam that I am not the only one receiving offers of business partnerships from Africa -- most specifically, but not limited to Ivory Coast. Has anyone else seen these?

The story usually goes "my father was poisoned by his business associates and while on his death bed he shared a secret..." They usually ask for an American bank account so they can supposedly transfer the many millions of dollars out of their country into a safe American bank -- of which you are promised 15% and in a few, pledges of investments in your business

Anyone else?

Posted on Fri Mar 15 20:00:21 CET 2002 from du-tele3-093.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.93)

Peter Viney

Kerry - interesting points. What I do when there are good additional points after a compilation article is to paste them into the original. Then one fine day when I have time and Jan has a whole load more processing and formatting time we can update all of them,

Posted on Fri Mar 15 19:54:35 CET 2002 from du-tele3-093.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.93)

Peter Viney

Holy Cow: I started to read the debate on alt.music.the band, but it takes so long to go through the threads and bits of threads that I lost interest due to my slow connection. Thank goodness they aren’t here (yet). The issue was discussed at tedious length in December 1998 on The Band Guestbook, and was finally resolved. I hope this was quoted. I assume it was by references that ‘Rick might have been joking.’

Little John Tyler said

As per Peter Viney's suggestion, I had the following bit of conversation with Rick Danko, barely anhour ago, after his show at the Towne Crier, Pawling, NY. It is as close to accurately quoted as I can recall. (And it proves that we must never doubt my man Ben Pike on matters pertaining to TheBand)

Me: Hey Rick, I've got a Moondog Matinee question.

RD:What's that?

Me: Who sang lead vocal on Holy Cow?

RD: That's me!!

Me: Ah, really? Because there are lots of folks who think it was Richard.

RD: Well Richard WAS our lead singer

But Susan has the ultimate answer. The Chicago 1974 tape, soon after Moondog Matinee. Why doesn’t someone with a high speed link, mail it to Jan, then it can be put up in Real Audio or whatever, then each can judge for themselves. I have it, but have not played with sending audio and I am restricted to a BT phone link.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 19:42:07 CET 2002 from dialup-166.90.87.85.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.87.85)

Pat Brennan

Although I have no doubt that Robertson is capable of talking about himself at length, Jim DeRogatis is definitely one of the most execreble "critics" I've ever encountered. He has a passionate hatred for any music slightly identified as classic rock; he wrote a column once decrying Eric Clapton and calling Layla one of the most overrated albums in rock history. He wrote a pathetic piece about the Paul McCartney/NY Firefighters concert which, among other things, complained that the audience was so white. I've been exposed to this asshole's crap for years, just another failed musician who hates others who have succeeded. BTW, he's in an awful group and they have a website. Perhaps a link is in order to give some background to his gaseous bursts.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 19:24:54 CET 2002 from pm3-pt6.pcnet.net (206.105.29.80)

Laura P.

P.S. Yesterday at the bookstore, I noticed a book called Songwriters On Songwriting, by Paul Zollo, which has a chapter on Robbie that includes a really good interview from 1991. He talks about The Band a lot, and how he writes/wrote songs. He also brings up his collaborations with Richard several times. I only skimmed it, and I was too cheap to buy the book just for that one chapter, but it's definitely worth checking out.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 19:17:43 CET 2002 from pm3-pt6.pcnet.net (206.105.29.80)

Laura P.

It's definitely Rick. And, THANK YOU, Comrade Trotsky--those new photos made my WEEK. Wow.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 18:43:44 CET 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

Well, the Holy Cow debate has moved to the GB where I can join in. I say it's Rick.

I have a boot of seletcted audience recordings from the 1974 tour. The performance of Holy Cow from Chicago is included; it's Rick singing the verses, no question at all.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 18:40:01 CET 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

Ragtime

Rick singing Holy Cow... hey hey hey?

Are you kidding me...? Who found out...?

Holy smoke whatcha doin' to me...

Why not talk about The Feud hey hey hey... ;-)

Posted on Fri Mar 15 18:34:33 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

On the subject of spam -- Bush & Cheney need to target Nigeria in their ongoing anti-terrorism campaign. A few well placed daisy cutters ought to take care of all those cyber-terrorists there (:-)

Posted on Fri Mar 15 18:13:24 CET 2002 from spider-wo021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.26)

Luke

RICK sings lead on Holy Cow. Levon & Richard sing backup. Think about "since you walked out on me , yeah." That's pure Rick.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 17:15:49 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

A good cure for the blues:listen to the Brown Album and Jubilation, back to back. Worked for me.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 16:38:42 CET 2002 from (12.33.178.155)

twilight

The photo of Richard on the bike sort of reminds me of Paul Newman in the film "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid". Raindrops keep fallin on my head....

Posted on Fri Mar 15 16:31:26 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-98-14.maine.rr.com (24.198.98.14)

MattK

I hasten to add "in my personal experience," when I say:

"a greater percentage of Europeans and Asians know more about the American historical musicscape than your average American, by an amazing margin."

I freely admit my relationships with people from Asia and Europe are limited to people who come to the US to work, or whom I've met in places like the GB.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 16:26:09 CET 2002 from (152.71.43.154)

Kerry

I've just got around to reading the article on 'Rockin'Chair'. I know the debate has moved on to, amongst other things, the specifics of how Bush will rule the earth (or not), but could I add my four penn'orth?

I'd like to dispute, and this is not just me being a wind-up, the bit where Peter says 'no dispute'. He's referring to the lyric 'oh to be home again...' and arguing that this means the singer isn't home. Well...

For me, one of Robbie's styrengths as a songwriter has been to take on the style of speech of the characters whose voice he's using. And it seems to me that one of the strengths of this bit of writing is the imitation of the voice of the old seadog (they asked him what the sea was like. He replied 'ruff'. Pathetic, sorry). What that voice does is reflect the thought processes of the old person, by meandering between past and present, giving equal weight to both, and, as some people are wont to do, giving no indication of which he's talking about. One of the things I think we're agreed on is the lack of indications in this song. So the voice which sings 'Oh to be home again' could be singing the songs of his youth aboard ship. This interpretation gives extra feeling to such statements as 'hold on Willie boy', as the old man loses himself in memory. His situation, down in old Virginny, is now an exact mirror of the song of home which he used to sing.

Perhaps an example will help me here. When Irish soldiers returned home from World War One, they still sang 'It's a long way to Tipperary', as they had done in France, even though they could well have been in Tipperary as they sang it. I'm willing to bet that, as old age crept on, they still sang the song when prompted for memories of wartime. But they wouldn't change it to 'It WAS a long way...' would they?

So in my interpretation, the song switches between the voice of the old man and the voice of the young, without necessarily changing location or time. It's more like an accurate reflection by Robbie of how the old man would relate his story - broken up by song and anecdote, sometimes told as if we were all back on board ship. After getting carried away and dozing off into that space where speech goes on, but the mind is cast far away, the old man comes to himself with a start: 'I believe old rockin chair's got me again'. By which time the sun has gone down, Al, behind those jagged mountains which you describe. It's Robbie's achievement, for me, to move between these voices, without stumbling over giving us a clue as to which is memory and which is direct speech. He just lets the old man talk. Doubtless we'll disagree, even over which is which, but I don't think the 'oh to be home' line places us on board. That's all.

Still a great song. Doh!

K.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 16:17:46 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-98-14.maine.rr.com (24.198.98.14)

MattK

I just read the SXSW press clip. Two things stand out:

1) While many find it easy to villify him as a suit, I'm assuming Robbie's sincerity is genuine honest when he takes the music industry to task for trading in artist development for "quick radio hits." There needs to be more people with that mindset working A&R at the majors. Personally, I believe the music industry as it's currently constructed, represents the single biggest threat to American culture going - and by this, I don't mean the propigation of "Gangsta Rap" or "Trailer Rap" (e.g. Eminem) "polluting young minds." I'm bothered by something far more subtle and dangerous.

(Soapbox Preacher v2.75: ENGAGED)

Lots of suits will go on and on about the "artist's best interests" (especially on the digital music issue), but as I've long-maintained, sliding revenues in the recording industry have less to do with MP3s and more to do with the industry's progressive abandonment of creating life-long relationships between artists and listeners. Beyond any critical judgment about the music, somehow I don't think there will be a website in 30 years where people debate who sang what on an N'Sync song.

Music used to be considered an indelible part of our lives, the actual thread woven into the fabric. Now, it's increasingly the print screened on a t-shirt - like those iron-on decals we used to get in cereal boxes when we were kids - eventually it peels off and/or fades, but usually "Hot Wheels" just isn't as cool as the "Six Million Dollar Man," so the t-shirt gets tossed and you you beg mom to buy a new decal and another cheap t-shirt.

If you commodify music to the degree that it becomes a kind of fashion statement, then music itself becomes disposable, and as kids grow up, they move on to other things - music CDs become indistinguishable from a Playstation CD, or a DVD of a movie they liked as a child. Occasionally nostalgia will draw them back, but there is no comittment over the course of their life to the love of music.

I find it incredibly sad, especially in the US where I think our enduring contribution to world civilization will be music. It's incredibly depressing how many Americans no nothing of American music outside of a 10-15 year window when they were teens and young adults. It may be an over generalization, but a greater percentage of Europeans and Asians know more about the American historical musicscape than your average American, by an amazing margin.

In the end, I think digital music is the industry's biggest hope. They need to figure out ways to make music a subscriber-based system with greater creativity then they've shown thus far. But in the end, anything that allows people to scavange and follow musical tangents helps foster a love and appreciation for music as a vital part of our culture, which turns music from an affectation into a staple of living.

In business, it's said that it costs THREE TIMES as much to aquire a new customer as to keep an old one. When one looks at where the recording industry spends it's money, and how little money off recordings comes back to the artist because of it, it's easy to see where profits are going, and why sales have continually slackened for the last 15-20 years, most of it occurring long before MP3s and CD burners were ever heard of.

(Soapbox Preacher v2.75: DIS-ENGAGED)

2)Hillary Rosen is Satan incarnate.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 16:09:06 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-126.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.232.126)

Amanda

I needed those photos this morning too. Thanks Jan....

Posted on Fri Mar 15 15:21:54 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-98-14.maine.rr.com (24.198.98.14)

MattK

Lil, the Holy Cow thing is (I think) just about over (everyone's agreed to disagree, I think), though someone just did a nice breakdown, line by line, proposing it's Rick AND Richard singing verses on that tune - which I agree with to some extent, though I still think it's mostly Richard on the verses, and think Rick's answer on the issue was more playful than definitive.

Sadly, once you're in a SPAMMER's database, you're pretty much in there for good. Also, they trade/sell email lists amongst themselves, so It's kind of like a virus. Over time, it should slow to a trickle, but that might, literally, take a year or more.

The only way to completely stop it is to change addresses and never post it without some spam-blocking appendage. Unfortunately, NOSPAM is so common now, most of the screen-scrapers that steal these addresses automatically filter NOSPAM out of addresses and are able to figure out your real address anyway.

You can never stay ahead of these guys. Personally, I gave up trying, which is why I use this Yahoo account for all postings on the internet (except in the newsgroup, where google won't let me update the email I post under for some reason). Yahoo's nice as it will dump "bulk mail" sends into a seperate InBox, which cuts out about 80% of the spam noise. The rest I just delete without opening.

Oh yeah, FYI, if you open one and you see directions on "unsubscribing" do NOT do it. Many of these guys will actually see this as proof you read their crap and will send you even MORE when they get an unsubscribe request.

Matt

Posted on Fri Mar 15 15:12:19 CET 2002 from celsius.noos.net (212.198.0.97)

Bill

Great scans. And note the product placements - especially the can that Robbie drinks from. Also coke in the bottle, and something else in another bottle.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 15:04:33 CET 2002 from celsius.noos.net (212.198.0.97)

Bill

I see no need for threads, perhaps because my computer has a couple of neat futures - the down arrow and the mouse - that let me hasten past the stuff that I do not care to read. I find it mildly interesting that there exists a masochistic few (or one) who insist on torturing themselves by reading everything in the full knowledge that doing so will hurt.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 14:57:07 CET 2002 from spider-wf031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.154)

franko

I believe that early on Al indicated that he was a Red. Virgil would obviously be a fan of Dixie Dean and support the Toffees. Although soon he might have to follow them in the First Division.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 14:52:08 CET 2002 from dialup-63.209.93.139.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (63.209.93.139)

J Quest

What about a record of only Canadian songs played by Garth Hudson & Joni MItchell. Very spare. With Joni Mitchell singing. Both of them arranging. Bass & percussion sound by Grarth (he can do it). And lovely horns. Anybody want to suggest a track list?

Posted on Fri Mar 15 14:47:31 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

RIGHT ON RUBY!!!!

Posted on Fri Mar 15 14:45:14 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

I can't quite describe it; but this morning looking at those Landy scans, actually took me back "to the feelings" I had when I first heard The Band. Looking at a very handsome Richard Manuel on the bike made me smile. How does Bob say it......" I was so much older then.....I'm younger than that nowwwwwwww........."

Thanks Jan for posting them. I needed that this morning.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 14:41:33 CET 2002 from dialup-63.214.74.115.dial1.boston1.level3.net (63.214.74.115)

Ruby

Scrolling down today I say right on Philly D!!!! I too have no intentions of contributing to some other fat cats purse There are enough video tapes of the original Band and the Band of the 90's to keep the memories alive. It saddens me, with no contempt, that so many of the posters make no effort to go see the boys that are keeping the fire burning!!! You might find it more fun to go see these boys and do some dancing then to sit here and disect all the lyrics to every tune and be all concerned as to who has how much in their purse!!! Go show the guys that are still here, physically, how much you care and appreciate them carrying on. You really don't know what your missing. My apologies to all who I may upset and to the others who know what I am talking about keep on rockin'!!!! Peace to all

Posted on Fri Mar 15 14:27:28 CET 2002 from host-65-164-8-8.co.erie.ny.us (65.164.8.8)

G-MAN

Calvin-like change your mind re. what was rotten! Just saw N. Mississippi All Stars last nite! If ya haven't seen em yet and get a chance,,,they are super!! Sounds like J. Lake is gonna rock sat.!!

Posted on Fri Mar 15 13:58:26 CET 2002 from ottawa-ppp3517228.sympatico.ca (206.172.191.99)

Richard

Jan: When/if you change to the new threaded format here, I'd like to suggest that Crabby be given some kind of "override" button so that his posts appear simultaneously in all threads... : )

Posted on Fri Mar 15 13:57:50 CET 2002 from (63.85.54.228)

Gypsewoman

JTull Fan was talking about the gold and platinum ratings. I work with an entertainment accounting firm and do certifications for gold, platinum, etc. ratings with the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) and The Band (Brown Album) went Platinum in 1991. As for the others they have gone back to see if they have qualified. You need to have sold 1 million copies for platinum and 500,000 copies for Gold. Unfortunately, The Band had not qualified for the Platinum awards on the other albums. If and when they do qualify they will be certified. S0000 let's get more people buying their albums and get them certified for platinum.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 13:02:04 CET 2002 from du-tele3-010.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.10)

Peter Viney

I reckon Fred’s question of which of the two Liverpool premiership teams Virgil Caine would support is potential dynamite and probably the most important question asked here in some time. First off, we don’t know whether Al’s affiliation is to the red or the blue. But look at the lyrics – Virgil was on the losing side, so I guess that makes him an Everton supporter nowadays. BUT way back in the 60s Everton was the big one and Liverpool were briefly in the second division, so taking the correct historical position, and setting it in the Winter of (19)65, then he’d have been Liverpool at that time. And Virgil Caine would not have been happy wearing a blue uniform. What do you think, Al?

Posted on Fri Mar 15 12:43:21 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-234-static.surferz.net (64.80.53.234)

Diamond Lil

Holy Smoke! Just read in 'what's new' that there's a heated discussion on the Band newsgroup about who sang lead on "Holy Cow". Maybe someone here should tell them that we established a long time ago that it was.... Garth! :-)

About this "no spam" e-mail thing. Does anyone know how long it takes before you actually see..no spam? I've been posting this way for a few weeks now, and still get upwards of 50 junk mails a day. Thanks if anyone knows.

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 11:10:48 CET 2002 from p50853ed1.dip.t-dialin.net (80.133.62.209)

ulbiman

There are some more news about the complete last waltz on rhino records web page.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 10:19:04 CET 2002 from schltns-3.demon.nl (212.238.196.9)

twee reebruine ogen

Norbert my friend, I carefully followed your instructions, but alas... didn't see your point... didn't notice the resemblance between Luders-Wijnbergen and J.R. Robertson. But I tried the same with "The Weight" and "De kleine Postiljon", and well... ;-)

Ragtime

Posted on Fri Mar 15 08:41:07 CET 2002 from sqd104.nirai.ne.jp (218.40.162.4)

Fred

What particular Band song reflects your mood (state of mind, etc) at this very moment? for me it's TIME TO KILL.. as I have completed the tasks set for me by my wife (cleaning up the place, doing laundry, etc--I'm on holidays,the wife isn't) and now idly await the arrival of the Big Boss Lady!!

this idea of a TLW reunion concert doesn't seem such a bad idea!

Alan Edge: if Virgil Cain were from Liverpool would he be wearing the red of LFC or would he be a Toffee?

Posted on Fri Mar 15 08:39:06 CET 2002 from as3-1-178.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.194.100)

Dave Hopkins

For what it's worth: Life magazine is apparently publishing a new book with a list of the "Top 100 rock-and-rollers of all time." The Band comes in at #22, between Buddy Holly and Bob Marley. Dylan is #3 behind Elvis and the Beatles. The top 25 are listed at the site above (click "Web page").

And I think someone asked about the new Neil Young album "Are You Passionate?" (which features a lyrical nod to the Band on "Two Old Friends"). The album's due out April 9 but it's being streamed now on neilyoung.com for those interested.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 07:53:21 CET 2002 from p50853ed1.dip.t-dialin.net (80.133.62.209)

ulbiman

Two great ideas!! David Z: A RR autobiography! We could talk and talk and talk ........ Bayou: A LW tribute benefit !! We should go and tell it to Levon. He knows so much musicians and has a lot of connections, why not!! This would not only be good for Levon and Garth, this would be wonderful for us !! Have a nice weekend.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 05:33:10 CET 2002 from 3cust98.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.93.98)

Crabgrass

Bon voyage to the first poster to jump ship!! Have a nice life over at alt.music.the-band!

Posted on Fri Mar 15 05:17:15 CET 2002 from stcatherines-ppp109258.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.189)

Richard

Yipee! It's decided then. A threaded format! You know you're on the right track when Crabby disagrees with you ;-).

Posted on Fri Mar 15 05:17:03 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-97.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.97)

Charlie Young

I have to admit that I agree with Crabby on both STAGEFRIGHT (does anyone besides me think that the title was inspired by the old film of the same name?) and the "thread" question. I also have to admit that it can seem like a Tower of Babel here at times, but that makes the lucid, linear times all that much better. It is your site, though, Jan, and you do what you want with it.

Regarding Michael Stipe, who once denounced the Beatles, saying "I've never listened to an entire album by them," I have never listened to an entire SONG by Stipe and those pompous poseurs, REM.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 04:22:48 CET 2002 from spider-tp051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.196)

Dave Z

Welcome back KLJ... and nice words Lil'... I thought the Neil Young lyrics were cool... Wouldn't it be cool if he dropped in on an upcoming ROA Garth show... better yet, wouldn't it be cool if there was a TLW reunion of survivors... to play for and honor the families of those departed too soon... didn't Bonnie Raitt do something for old blues players... Of course, it looks like the guys are constantly doing benefits for their friends... so play on... the music is still fresh...

Posted on Fri Mar 15 04:20:12 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-98-14.maine.rr.com (24.198.98.14)

MattK

There are a large number of articles on this site where allegations are made by Levon. I'd find the "private lives" and "none of your business" complaints a bit more genuine if it weren't Levon himself who gave the whole issue life in the first place.

The issues currently being discussed here were published in an autobiography. If it is meant to be "private," then perhaps one should be more discreet in what they allege when they cash in on the story of their life and choose to "write" a book.

Posted on Fri Mar 15 03:50:14 CET 2002 from 1cust104.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.94.104)

Crabgrass

A simple solution: Those who prefer a threaded format - just click on "alt.music.the-band" (at the top of this GB page) instead of coming here and being bored by the unique freewheelin' almost-anything-goes amazing international discussion on Jan's site.

And don't waste your time coming back!! (You'll be so absorbed in reading and posting that the thought of returning probably won't even occur to you anyway.)

Posted on Fri Mar 15 03:32:30 CET 2002 from spider-wl053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.43)

Bayou Sam

nice post Tull. By the time a fresh faced RR hooked up with the Hawks, Levon probably had quite a shitload of life under his belt already, from hanging around the Hawk.

I've always maintained that these guys were grown men and made decisions of their own doing - good and bad - like the rest of us.

We need that Robbie Robertson autobiography. We'd have GB material for years.

BTW - a guy who is in his late 50's and still likes to be called "Robbie" can't be too stuffy.